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"So far Trump's legal strategy of ignoring calls for accountability until Republicans in Congress can bail him out is workingly flawlessly.",
">\n\nThat doesn’t mean the DoJ can’t charge and prosecute. \nRight now everything is in response to republicans getting their slim majority in the house and lessen the damage they will do.\nThat said, they still have the mountain of evidence they did gather",
">\n\nWhat about when the AG/DOJ is a GOP appointee? You don’t think they’ll just put in a Bill Barr type on the entire thing?",
">\n\nNot while they have a democratic president and especially when the previous president lost them the midterms.\nThey were already planning on replacing trump with Desantes by equating the 2 (Martha’s Vineyard was part of that), they’re only gonna lose trying to put their party’s future on the line protect him further.\nThey gonna continue to spread doubt and try to discredit the investigations, but they’re barely holding onto a branch of government, they’re not stupid. Barr only worked because they held onto 2",
">\n\nUmmm that’s not what I meant. If a GOP candidate for President wins in 2024 , what are the actual legal implications. It’s not like it’s below them to interfere like they did with the collusion charges",
">\n\n\nThe House January 6 committee is withdrawing its subpoena of former President Donald Trump as it concludes its work.\n“In light of the imminent end of our investigation, the Select Committee can no longer pursue the specific information covered by the subpoena,” Chairman Bennie Thompson, a Mississippi Democrat, wrote in a letter to Trump’s attorney Wednesday obtained by CNN.\n“Therefore, through this letter, I hereby formally withdraw the subpoena issued to former President Trump, and notify you that he is no longer obligated to comply or produce records in response to said subpoena,” Thompson added.",
">\n\nConclusion: Former president Trump is above the law.",
">\n\nYeah kind of makes me sad. Trump can just ignore a subpoena, with zero consequences. \n“We believe you tried to overthrow the government. You are legally required to come talk to us about it.”\n“No thanks.”\n“Oh. Ok, never mind.”",
">\n\nNo consequences? He's has been referred to the DOJ for obstruction of a govt processing last week. They held a recorded vote.",
">\n\nThat’s not a consequence. It’s kicking the can. Trump will never, ever be held responsible for his role in destroying democracy in America.",
">\n\nThis is not TV or a movie. \"The wheels of justice grind slowly yet exceedingly fine\" is a saying for a reason. Federal investigations usually take years.",
">\n\nHe’s been investigated for years. No consequences. Just special appointments, investigations, and referrals. In the mean time, you know who DOES face consequences?\nAmerica.",
">\n\nYou are judging the end of the movie before it is over.\nThe previous investigations were being done while he had the shield of the presidency and an attorney general running obstruction for him. None of that is true now.",
">\n\nThe GOP will continue fighting on his behalf, because the majority are complicit in 45’s fuckery. Again, no consequences will be had. I’m willing to wager a gift card to your favorite local restaurant that he will live fat, rich, and free until at least the 2024/25 inauguration. Save this post.",
">\n\nWe'll see about that. I'll admit to the loss if thats the case.",
">\n\nMore proof that we the people have no rights in comparison to the billionaire ticks.",
">\n\nDude ain't no billionaire",
">\n\nNo, but his buddies are.",
">\n\nHis puppet masters maybe",
">\n\nI mean, who would have thought not starting the fight sooner would end like this?",
">\n\nDon’t worry. He’s got so many more coming.",
">\n\nThe idea that Trump will pay any price for his crimes is a fantasy.",
">\n\nIt’s actually happening. His company has been found guilty. His charity is closed. His cohorts are about to go to jail. His popularity sagging. Protection is gone. We just need the first indictment.",
">\n\nBut none is him",
">\n\nWell Trump Org is pretty much him but be patient.",
">\n\nDrops in the bucket. \nBeen patient for like 6 years now. How much more we gotta wait?",
">\n\nHe couldn’t be prosecuted while president. Watch GA and the special prosecutor. They’re moving fast.",
">\n\nCouldn't be?\nShould have been.",
">\n\nThat’s absolutely wild that any man is able to just straight up ignore a subpoena with zero consequences. Definition of “above the law”. If he gets away with this, he is going to be more dangerous than ever. You get away with leading a coup/insurrection, you’re going to assume you can get away with literally anything. \nMaybe trump was right… he really could shoot someone in the middle of 5th avenue and not lose any voters…and also probably not even get in trouble",
">\n\nSerious questions...so the committee pull the subpoena, but it's up to DOJ for any additional follow up, but when the new congress is in session they can tell DOJ to drop everything? Is that how's its going to go down? Because I thought DOJ is supposed to be independent once given the committee's findings?",
">\n\nThe DOJ is certainly independent of Congress. As for the committee - the only thing they would've done differently was vote on a criminal referral for contempt of Congress. Although there is some truth to congressional contempt needing to stem from congress, The DOJ has no obligation to act on a referral - it is more akin to a recommendation.\nWith that being said, the committee knew it wasn't going to serve any real benefit, so they decided not to.\n\nThe DOJ decided not to prosecute Meadows and Scavino for contempt due to their close ties to the executive. This pretty much ruled out any chance of it happening to Trump, a former President. \nEven a completely successful referral (Steve Bannon) showed how inconsequential Congressional subpoena power is. For one, it is a misdemeanor. It has been ~15 months since Bannon was referred, and he was found guilty and sentenced, and he is still a free man pending appeal. And even if upheld, it's only 4 months in prison as just shy of maximum sentencing guidelines. \nThe DOJ, if they prosecute, are aiming at much bigger crimes - notably Obstruction of an Official Proceeding, which carries up to 20 years. And they'd be potentially trying these crimes in the same jurisdiction.\n\nSo I'm sure the calculation was that it just wasn't worth throwing a referral at the DOJ for something they'd never follow up on, and wouldn't be much benefit if they did.",
">\n\nIn summary, he’s committed so many crimes that this one isn’t worth any effort",
">\n\nEssentially, yeah. The DOJ has two big chances to secure a conviction: Mar-A-Lago and Jan. 6 - and they will likely bring multiple charges in a D.C. court if they decide to prosecute. Mar-A-Lago will come first, which has virtually nothing to do with this committee's work.\nReferring a misdemeanor to tack onto 4 serious felonies they referred probably only risked muddying the larger offenses. Can't blame them honestly.",
">\n\nWhat is “Mar a Lago” in this context! The tax scheme? Classified documents?",
">\n\nThe classified documents",
">\n\nSmall point but they weren't all classified and don't need to be, for what he did to be illegal. Just trying to avoid republican framing.",
">\n\nHillary was not afraid to testify every time she was asked (and testified for hours and hours each time, answering all questions asked) and never took the 5th. Yet republicans act like she is the criminal when it always has been trump.",
">\n\nEven if she was wrong she was smarter than any of the R in the room. That woman was a machine during those hearings and gave them nothing to work with.",
">\n\nShe is definitely smarter than that barrel of monkeys who questioned her, but ultimately, there was nothing to get from her - the perfect opposite case of crimey benedict donald and his co-conspirators.",
">\n\nIt's interesting to see that people think this subpoena would have continued to exist past Jan 3, 2023 given that that's when ALL open subpoenas from the outgoing congress expire and become null and void. Even if the J6 committee continued to exist- they would be required to file a brand new one in the new session.",
">\n\nIt wouldn't be that hard to file a brand new subpoena, they have lawyers who work full-time for them. That isn't an obstacle.",
">\n\nExcept for the committee doesn't exist in the new Congress and they have no powers to do anything if they don't exist.",
">\n\nIt's easy to get the two confused a lot of times.",
">\n\nHow many of y'all actually thought he wasn't going to run out the clock? \nNothing will fundamentally change.",
">\n\nNobody. The “justice takes time” chorus that dominated the narrative was only here to quell social unrest so society didn’t take a dive while the rich mocked us from their golden pedestals.",
">\n\nSerious question: Why? So what if the Dems lose power in the Congress. Let the Republicans be the one to formally dismantle the committee and subpoena on record. Then when hopefully Trump is charged by the DOJ, dems have another talking point for 2024 that the Republicans hate law and order and protect mob bosses.",
">\n\nThe select committee expires at the end of the congressional session. So they do not need to question him because the committee will not exist.",
">\n\nBut what is the point of formally withdrawing the subpoena? What does it accomplish?",
">\n\nThe committee is over. They have issued the report, they are closing up shop. They are following the process. A secondary part of the committees job was to show how a REAL congressional hearing should be handled. None of that sloppy ass grandstanding they did for Benghazi",
">\n\nMy viewpoint is that Trump and the GOP are just going to use this as “proof” that he did nothing wrong. Remember how the Mueller report “exonerated” Trump? His base believes this shit wholeheartedly and I guarantee he will use this as “evidence” for his innocence.\nShowing how things SHOULD be handled instead of taking whatever measures needed to protect Americans lead to Jan 6th happening in the first place. We all know how things should be handled, how the rules should work, but one side is willing to do whatever they need to keep power and the other is getting walked over.\nIs taking the high road worth letting fascism into our government?",
">\n\nIt’s good to know that republicans are allowed to ignore subpoenas. That’s useful info for them. Don’t expect dems to get that treatment",
">\n\nThey dropped the ball in not issuing one a couple of months ago",
">\n\nActually the Democrats have done everything not to ever pick up the ball even once. They let trump appointed republicans appoint a republican special counsel to fall like a straw man to blatant obstruction in the Russia probe. They turned it into a fundraiser for campaigning. \nThis time they let liz Cheney take the reins, who was able to preserve her republican prerogatives throughout this entire ordeal. \nThe fact is that you're all being cucked by forces of controlled opposition and I'm apparently the only one in the world who can't be so easily mitigated.\nI can't depend on any of you anymore than you can depend on yourselves.",
">\n\nYou lost all credibility at the end when you said cuck and act like you’re the smartest person in the world. Be gone!",
">\n\nYeah, I don't know how anyone can be expected to be taken seriously using that whole sentence unironically.",
">\n\nI don't expect to be taken seriously whether I say it or not, yet the facts remain as I've described.",
">\n\nI didn’t see that coming, said absolutely no one.",
">\n\nWhy.",
">\n\nHUGE mistake. The committee will be dissolved by the GOPers in a couple weeks, and all this did was to give the Marmalade Moses another fake victory to rile up his lemmings.",
">\n\nIt’s funny because I say the same thing every time about trump never getting charged and I always get shit about it like BUT NO THIS TIME IS DIFFERENT. \nLmao right. Sure it is.",
">\n\nFucking same. This is just more “ammo” for his orange, shit spewing mouth.",
">\n\nThis guy is still getting more media coverage than the current potus two years into his term. Crazy.",
">\n\nIt does blow that he wasn't forced to comply with the subpoena but for people thinking what a bummer this seems like, the house is switching to a republican majority in like a week so it didn't make a whole lot of sense to leave an active subpoena on record knowing it would never be resolved. They likely knew he wasn't going to comply when it was issued only now its offical that it was officially issued, ignored by trump, and terminated. Who knows if the DOJ will eventually file but everyone pretty much already knew that little temper tantrum trump wasn't going to aid in his own house sedition investigation.",
">\n\nIf we restrict ourselves to the issue of compliance with a subpoena from this committee, then the recent election clearly mooted every aspect of penalties or consequences related to ignoring the subpoena.\nIt's like a big brother was called over and little bro wanted him to force his adversary to bow and kiss the ground. But by the time big bro finally wanders over, the kid goes \"nah... we're good.\"\nA lot of folk like to believe contempt of court or contempt of congress is like any other crime where you do the deed and have to face the punishment. But, in general, these things do not work like crimes. Even where contempt has been codified such that there is a criminal contempt aspect, the goal remains to seek or to force compliance. This leads to \"punishments\" which are better or worse depending on how you view things. A simple view is that you could be \"sentenced\" to indefinite incarceration because it's a \"jailed until compliance\" thing.\nIn this case, Congress has been very, very reticent to try to use their inherent power to jail someone. So the most they ever do these days is refer the case to the DoJ to pursue criminal contempt of congress.\nAll in all, is this a \"good\" thing? Maybe it's not as bad as we feel it to be. Imagine any sort of argument where someone demands you do something. You retort \"are you sure?\" Bystanders urge folk cool down and think about it. Map that into the way Congress changes every two years and you get a sense that unless something is important enough that it remains after the public alters the composition of the legislative branch, maybe it's not all that important (to the public) after all.\nOn the other hand, why would anyone fear Congress when they demonstrate time and again there never really are any consequences for refusal to comply with subpoenas? But... do we want to quake in fear whenever some nutjob party gains control and enacts something as dire as the Committee on Unamerican Activities?",
">\n\nWhat is the advantage of dropping the subpoena, as opposed to just letting it expire/letting the new congress withdraw it? Why go on record saying he no longer has to come in? I get that he was never going to show, I’m just curious why this is better than the alternative.",
">\n\nI’m wondering this too. There has to be a good reason.",
">\n\n?? Why, like it had no power, but still why? This looks like weakness",
">\n\nThe subpoena expires when the new congress is sworn in on Jan 3rd. There was no practical way to enforce it.",
">\n\nWhy not just let it expire?\nNow Republicans have a talking point that the January 6th Committee withdrew their subpoena.\nThey'll use it to muddy the waters and spread more misinformation.",
">\n\nThey already had their talking points. They've had them the whole time. They already released a \"counter report\" to the J6 committee. The committee withdrew it because they are closing up shop. The report is out. Where would Donnie's answers go?",
">\n\nWhy was he not charged with contempt for no show? Once again, he gets let off for bad behaviour",
">\n\nBecause they referred him for 4 much more serious crimes with longer sentences. Referring him for this is essentially pointless.",
">\n\nYes, but i see it as another nail in the coffin, and also sends a message that subpoenas are not to be ignored",
">\n\nImagine if you or I tried to just ignore a subpoena.",
">\n\nIt’s OK if you’re a Republican, as the war criminal’s daughter who voted in line with Trump’s policies during her House tenure can attest.",
">\n\nAnother instance of unequal justice under the law, imo. If you or I disregarded a subpoena from Congress we'd be going to jail...like Steve Bannon.",
">\n\nDrag it out, do nothing, repeat. Glad the J6 group produced a ton of info and exposed a lot of the bs but what's the point of nothing really happens? Media circus? I'm so tired.",
">\n\nGreat precedent. It's good to know if I'm ever subpoenaed by congress I can just ignore it.",
">\n\nJ6 knew he'd puss out and just wanted to get it on the record. And for the same reason they haven't gone after Meadows for ignoring his subpoena, are all of the other serious crimes hanging over him and the orange Traitor in Chief, especially now, the subpoenas aren't worth the time and effort.",
">\n\n\nAnd for the same reason they haven't gone after Meadows for ignoring his subpoena\n\nTo be fair... the House voted him in criminal contempt and sent the referral to that to the DoJ. There wasn't really anything they could do beyond that with respect to his subpoena (yes, inherent contempt in theory exists, in practice it would have been useless for multiple reasons).\nMeadows is also included in the big criminal referrals the committee issued as part of their report as well.",
">\n\nAs usual, this country’s justice system is a joke",
">\n\nThis was a subpoena issued by the congress, not DOJ. He would be arrested if this was subpoena by DOJ and he didn’t show.",
">\n\nLike I said lol this country’s justice system is a joke",
">\n\nBut the justice system has not been involved yet!!! Congressional hearing is not an example of the justice system. The congress has referred the case to the DOJ or “the justice system” as a result of their hearing. DOJ will pursue a criminal investigation and pursue charges. \nJudiciary (justice system as you call it), congress, and executive branches are constitutionally separate and independent to ensure checks and balances.\nJustice system in the US is not ideal, but this specific instance is not an example of these inefficiencies. This is an example of how the congress has been ineffective in doing their legislative actions. In this instance the correct statement would be “Legislative system in this country is a joke.” Justice system has not had a chance to show its incompetence yet. That will be next.",
">\n\nNaive of you to think this is anything more than a show they’re putting on. Nothing will come of it, democrats are by nature pussies let’s be real. None have any teeth or claws. The right is full of a bunch of tribalistic monkeys, party is apparently more important than country. I guess I can rephrase, besides making money and being the best business in the world, America is a joke.",
">\n\n\"OMG. I'm so outraged by this even though I have no idea why.\"\nIt'd be nice if you guys learned the difference between the subpoena and the criminal referral. trump was never going to show up for the subpoena especially since the GOP is about to take control. It's a completely moot point.",
">\n\nExactly. The committee already referred him to the DoJ on criminal charges. Everyone is acting like they're just taking their ball and going home. They already went well and beyond a mere subpoena here, and one of the charges that they're recommending is obstruction already.",
">\n\nAren’t subpoenas mandatory with consequences? Either you show up or go to jail. Trump did neither.",
">\n\nNot if you are rich. Laws are you only for the the lower 90%",
">\n\nThis is such bullshit.",
">\n\nAnother precedent set for rich criminals to not comply. If we citizens didn’t show we’d be at a black site with electrodes on our genitals.",
">\n\nThey should have charged Trump with contempt of Congress.",
">\n\nSo whens the next uprising on behalf of rich people? Just be sure you're actually a political player because if you're just a worker you'll be charged. Chess has really changed over the past hundred years.",
">\n\nTotally expected. \nTrump, the really TV star, said he'd only agree to answer the subpoena if it were live & televised. It's quite obvious the reason is that he'd ignore the questioning & use the free air time to spew his BS, much like in the Presidential debates. \nAnd I'm sure the incoming Republican House would have loved to have given him the opportunity",
">\n\nyeah kinda moot at this point , they already made those criminal referrals anyways lol i wish they would have perused charging him for not showing up however but maybe they figured in light of everything they should focus on the key issues and at this point whatever he had to say really doesnt matter anyways as he would just lie. his testimony would pretty much be useless. its still a shame we didnt get to see it just for historys sake lol",
">\n\nAl trump would do is take the 5th like any other ordinary criminal",
">\n\nSo far as things have gone, will it now be ok for Democrats to ignore all the subpoenas that this next R House is going to send around? I’d think so….",
">\n\nOur government has failed us.... Good luck everyone.",
">\n\nAh yes the criminal Justice system, quite possibly the longest running joke in America",
">\n\n& you just know the cheeto will say something like, ha!, they dropped the subpoena cause they knew I am innocent, or some 💩 like that",
">\n\nNo surprise there. Trump is above the law, as he has proven time and again, over and over throughout the last several years. \nI will be surprised if anything comes out of this investigation, at all. \nI will be surprised if the next republican president isn't worse than Trump. \nI mean seriously, how do they convict him of anything if they can't even call him for questioning. Ever heard of anyone, ever, to get convicted of a crime that didn't have to talk to investigators at some point? \nFuck America. Fuck Trump. And fuck the pussy ass people who refuse to do their fucking job.",
">\n\nThey dropped it because it wasn't necessary and would have given him a national platform needlessly. DOJ will pass to the special council which will bring formal charges, if any will be brought.",
">\n\nThis is actually heartbreaking. Seen a lot of politicians and people of note show time and time again that the rules for EVERY CITIZEN don’t apply to them and this stings just a little more",
">\n\nMy theory that he is blackmailing everyone from the White House down with Area 51 malarky is still holding water...",
">\n\nLet us all start committing crimes and see how that goes, this is bs",
">\n\nSuch bs. I knew he would sleeze his way out of any consequences for his actions. This will only embolden him & his lunatic followers. He incites a riot that kills people & gets away with it. If any of us incited a riot, we would still be in jail & if people died during the riot, we would be charged with murder as well. So sick & tired of the double standard when it comes to a president who breaks the law & walks away, just like nixon did.",
">\n\nshould not have dropped\nshould have referred it to doj for contempt of congress...\nwhite rich continue to get a pass for what the rest of us would have long ago been prosecuted and imprisoned...",
">\n\nThey already referred him to DOJ for obstruction of a govt proceeding last week. What are you talking about?",
">\n\nYeah, because why would you want to subpoena the guy who was completely responsible for the entire thing?\nThe Chuck Schumer neoliberals have engineered this to completely let Trump get away with it - because they think the Republicans are still their friends and they don't want to piss them off!",
">\n\nThey subpoenaed trump months ago. He declined to show. Since, investigation is over, they dropped it. This is not even really news worthy.",
">\n\nHalf the people in this thread have no idea what they're talking about and are confusing the subpoena with the criminal referral.",
">\n\nOh, is that what's going on? Lol. I was wondering why ppl are making a big deal about this. This is just the committee cleaning up loose ends.",
">\n\nIt's a big deal if someone who's now a private citizen, can do wtf he wants and ignore a Congressional subpoena.",
">\n\nIt takes votes by congress to hold in contempt. They didn't need trump's testimony. He would just show up and repeat I plead the 5th anyway. Pence ignored his, too. It's pointless to hold them in contempt and get off focus of actual investigation.",
">\n\nYou're proving my point. Congressional Democrats should have enforced the subpoena and made Trump plead the 5th to every question. Imagine if Pence also appeared and pled the 5th to every question. That is political magic for the Democrats, it makes them look guilty as hell.\nTrump committed a crime, and this is America. It should be the same as if I committed a crime. We would get arrested, taken to jail until the morning, see a judge and face our charges, and then either get released on OR, held for trial, or bail set. It's not much of a democracy if laws are not enforced against powerful people.",
">\n\nOnce you all realize this is just a game and you’re the pawn things will make a lot more sense.",
">\n\nNow hear him cry about never getting a chance to testify when he’s charged.",
">\n\nI see this less as a “you’re excused” and more of a “see you in court”",
">\n\nNo need to bother with it when they've already finished their work. The only thing that testimony would have accomplished would have been getting Trump to look bad on national television, and a potential perjury charge. Trump already has embarrassed himself in public in a massive way since then, and they have bigger crimes to recommend to the DOJ for prosecution.",
">\n\nThe moment they announced the subpoena everyone got a hard on that trump would have to talk. I said it then and I’ll say it again, trump will never have to face any punishment and he doesn’t have to comply to any law or rules. They’re all more suggestions instead of laws.",
">\n\nWhat a waste of fucking time",
">\n\nSo......this was a big fat waste of time and money?",
">\n\nI mean they made a criminal referral so, no? The committee wasn’t set up to solely investigate Dolt 45 and took the testimony of over a thousand people, why is it you believe withdrawing one subpoena because the committee is winding down renders the entire process a “waste of time and money.”",
">\n\nNo mention on CNN that they dropped the subpoena after a year of January 6 January 6 January 6 terrible news station",
">\n\nWell, it’s being run by a Republican so go figure",
">\n\nTalk about the wheels of justice turning slow. In this case reversing altogether. Well done.",
">\n\nI wish this surprised me.",
">\n\nLOL God this is so funny\nWhat the fuck did y'all expect if you have money you are above the law. It only applies to the poor and those who step on the toes of capital.",
">\n\nWhat a waste of money",
">\n\n...And a Happy New Year!",
">\n\nClassic",
">\n\nShocking",
">\n\nOur governing body are a bunch of cowards. The US is being safeguarded by self-interested Congresspersons who speak about accountability and act on cowardice.",
">\n\nLet's be honest he'll get away with everything with a slap on the wrist. This country won't prosecute a sitting or former president or high ranking politician, we've seen this over and over. The whole committee is sadly a publicity stunt to gain traction for Democrat's. I hope I'm completely wrong of course and that this country will start to feel like it's a democracy.",
">\n\nThe coup is in effect."
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"So far Trump's legal strategy of ignoring calls for accountability until Republicans in Congress can bail him out is workingly flawlessly.",
">\n\nThat doesn’t mean the DoJ can’t charge and prosecute. \nRight now everything is in response to republicans getting their slim majority in the house and lessen the damage they will do.\nThat said, they still have the mountain of evidence they did gather",
">\n\nWhat about when the AG/DOJ is a GOP appointee? You don’t think they’ll just put in a Bill Barr type on the entire thing?",
">\n\nNot while they have a democratic president and especially when the previous president lost them the midterms.\nThey were already planning on replacing trump with Desantes by equating the 2 (Martha’s Vineyard was part of that), they’re only gonna lose trying to put their party’s future on the line protect him further.\nThey gonna continue to spread doubt and try to discredit the investigations, but they’re barely holding onto a branch of government, they’re not stupid. Barr only worked because they held onto 2",
">\n\nUmmm that’s not what I meant. If a GOP candidate for President wins in 2024 , what are the actual legal implications. It’s not like it’s below them to interfere like they did with the collusion charges",
">\n\n\nThe House January 6 committee is withdrawing its subpoena of former President Donald Trump as it concludes its work.\n“In light of the imminent end of our investigation, the Select Committee can no longer pursue the specific information covered by the subpoena,” Chairman Bennie Thompson, a Mississippi Democrat, wrote in a letter to Trump’s attorney Wednesday obtained by CNN.\n“Therefore, through this letter, I hereby formally withdraw the subpoena issued to former President Trump, and notify you that he is no longer obligated to comply or produce records in response to said subpoena,” Thompson added.",
">\n\nConclusion: Former president Trump is above the law.",
">\n\nYeah kind of makes me sad. Trump can just ignore a subpoena, with zero consequences. \n“We believe you tried to overthrow the government. You are legally required to come talk to us about it.”\n“No thanks.”\n“Oh. Ok, never mind.”",
">\n\nNo consequences? He's has been referred to the DOJ for obstruction of a govt processing last week. They held a recorded vote.",
">\n\nThat’s not a consequence. It’s kicking the can. Trump will never, ever be held responsible for his role in destroying democracy in America.",
">\n\nThis is not TV or a movie. \"The wheels of justice grind slowly yet exceedingly fine\" is a saying for a reason. Federal investigations usually take years.",
">\n\nHe’s been investigated for years. No consequences. Just special appointments, investigations, and referrals. In the mean time, you know who DOES face consequences?\nAmerica.",
">\n\nYou are judging the end of the movie before it is over.\nThe previous investigations were being done while he had the shield of the presidency and an attorney general running obstruction for him. None of that is true now.",
">\n\nThe GOP will continue fighting on his behalf, because the majority are complicit in 45’s fuckery. Again, no consequences will be had. I’m willing to wager a gift card to your favorite local restaurant that he will live fat, rich, and free until at least the 2024/25 inauguration. Save this post.",
">\n\nWe'll see about that. I'll admit to the loss if thats the case.",
">\n\nMore proof that we the people have no rights in comparison to the billionaire ticks.",
">\n\nDude ain't no billionaire",
">\n\nNo, but his buddies are.",
">\n\nHis puppet masters maybe",
">\n\nI mean, who would have thought not starting the fight sooner would end like this?",
">\n\nDon’t worry. He’s got so many more coming.",
">\n\nThe idea that Trump will pay any price for his crimes is a fantasy.",
">\n\nIt’s actually happening. His company has been found guilty. His charity is closed. His cohorts are about to go to jail. His popularity sagging. Protection is gone. We just need the first indictment.",
">\n\nBut none is him",
">\n\nWell Trump Org is pretty much him but be patient.",
">\n\nDrops in the bucket. \nBeen patient for like 6 years now. How much more we gotta wait?",
">\n\nHe couldn’t be prosecuted while president. Watch GA and the special prosecutor. They’re moving fast.",
">\n\nCouldn't be?\nShould have been.",
">\n\nThat’s absolutely wild that any man is able to just straight up ignore a subpoena with zero consequences. Definition of “above the law”. If he gets away with this, he is going to be more dangerous than ever. You get away with leading a coup/insurrection, you’re going to assume you can get away with literally anything. \nMaybe trump was right… he really could shoot someone in the middle of 5th avenue and not lose any voters…and also probably not even get in trouble",
">\n\nSerious questions...so the committee pull the subpoena, but it's up to DOJ for any additional follow up, but when the new congress is in session they can tell DOJ to drop everything? Is that how's its going to go down? Because I thought DOJ is supposed to be independent once given the committee's findings?",
">\n\nThe DOJ is certainly independent of Congress. As for the committee - the only thing they would've done differently was vote on a criminal referral for contempt of Congress. Although there is some truth to congressional contempt needing to stem from congress, The DOJ has no obligation to act on a referral - it is more akin to a recommendation.\nWith that being said, the committee knew it wasn't going to serve any real benefit, so they decided not to.\n\nThe DOJ decided not to prosecute Meadows and Scavino for contempt due to their close ties to the executive. This pretty much ruled out any chance of it happening to Trump, a former President. \nEven a completely successful referral (Steve Bannon) showed how inconsequential Congressional subpoena power is. For one, it is a misdemeanor. It has been ~15 months since Bannon was referred, and he was found guilty and sentenced, and he is still a free man pending appeal. And even if upheld, it's only 4 months in prison as just shy of maximum sentencing guidelines. \nThe DOJ, if they prosecute, are aiming at much bigger crimes - notably Obstruction of an Official Proceeding, which carries up to 20 years. And they'd be potentially trying these crimes in the same jurisdiction.\n\nSo I'm sure the calculation was that it just wasn't worth throwing a referral at the DOJ for something they'd never follow up on, and wouldn't be much benefit if they did.",
">\n\nIn summary, he’s committed so many crimes that this one isn’t worth any effort",
">\n\nEssentially, yeah. The DOJ has two big chances to secure a conviction: Mar-A-Lago and Jan. 6 - and they will likely bring multiple charges in a D.C. court if they decide to prosecute. Mar-A-Lago will come first, which has virtually nothing to do with this committee's work.\nReferring a misdemeanor to tack onto 4 serious felonies they referred probably only risked muddying the larger offenses. Can't blame them honestly.",
">\n\nWhat is “Mar a Lago” in this context! The tax scheme? Classified documents?",
">\n\nThe classified documents",
">\n\nSmall point but they weren't all classified and don't need to be, for what he did to be illegal. Just trying to avoid republican framing.",
">\n\nHillary was not afraid to testify every time she was asked (and testified for hours and hours each time, answering all questions asked) and never took the 5th. Yet republicans act like she is the criminal when it always has been trump.",
">\n\nEven if she was wrong she was smarter than any of the R in the room. That woman was a machine during those hearings and gave them nothing to work with.",
">\n\nShe is definitely smarter than that barrel of monkeys who questioned her, but ultimately, there was nothing to get from her - the perfect opposite case of crimey benedict donald and his co-conspirators.",
">\n\nIt's interesting to see that people think this subpoena would have continued to exist past Jan 3, 2023 given that that's when ALL open subpoenas from the outgoing congress expire and become null and void. Even if the J6 committee continued to exist- they would be required to file a brand new one in the new session.",
">\n\nIt wouldn't be that hard to file a brand new subpoena, they have lawyers who work full-time for them. That isn't an obstacle.",
">\n\nExcept for the committee doesn't exist in the new Congress and they have no powers to do anything if they don't exist.",
">\n\nIt's easy to get the two confused a lot of times.",
">\n\nHow many of y'all actually thought he wasn't going to run out the clock? \nNothing will fundamentally change.",
">\n\nNobody. The “justice takes time” chorus that dominated the narrative was only here to quell social unrest so society didn’t take a dive while the rich mocked us from their golden pedestals.",
">\n\nSerious question: Why? So what if the Dems lose power in the Congress. Let the Republicans be the one to formally dismantle the committee and subpoena on record. Then when hopefully Trump is charged by the DOJ, dems have another talking point for 2024 that the Republicans hate law and order and protect mob bosses.",
">\n\nThe select committee expires at the end of the congressional session. So they do not need to question him because the committee will not exist.",
">\n\nBut what is the point of formally withdrawing the subpoena? What does it accomplish?",
">\n\nThe committee is over. They have issued the report, they are closing up shop. They are following the process. A secondary part of the committees job was to show how a REAL congressional hearing should be handled. None of that sloppy ass grandstanding they did for Benghazi",
">\n\nMy viewpoint is that Trump and the GOP are just going to use this as “proof” that he did nothing wrong. Remember how the Mueller report “exonerated” Trump? His base believes this shit wholeheartedly and I guarantee he will use this as “evidence” for his innocence.\nShowing how things SHOULD be handled instead of taking whatever measures needed to protect Americans lead to Jan 6th happening in the first place. We all know how things should be handled, how the rules should work, but one side is willing to do whatever they need to keep power and the other is getting walked over.\nIs taking the high road worth letting fascism into our government?",
">\n\nIt’s good to know that republicans are allowed to ignore subpoenas. That’s useful info for them. Don’t expect dems to get that treatment",
">\n\nThey dropped the ball in not issuing one a couple of months ago",
">\n\nActually the Democrats have done everything not to ever pick up the ball even once. They let trump appointed republicans appoint a republican special counsel to fall like a straw man to blatant obstruction in the Russia probe. They turned it into a fundraiser for campaigning. \nThis time they let liz Cheney take the reins, who was able to preserve her republican prerogatives throughout this entire ordeal. \nThe fact is that you're all being cucked by forces of controlled opposition and I'm apparently the only one in the world who can't be so easily mitigated.\nI can't depend on any of you anymore than you can depend on yourselves.",
">\n\nYou lost all credibility at the end when you said cuck and act like you’re the smartest person in the world. Be gone!",
">\n\nYeah, I don't know how anyone can be expected to be taken seriously using that whole sentence unironically.",
">\n\nI don't expect to be taken seriously whether I say it or not, yet the facts remain as I've described.",
">\n\nI didn’t see that coming, said absolutely no one.",
">\n\nWhy.",
">\n\nHUGE mistake. The committee will be dissolved by the GOPers in a couple weeks, and all this did was to give the Marmalade Moses another fake victory to rile up his lemmings.",
">\n\nIt’s funny because I say the same thing every time about trump never getting charged and I always get shit about it like BUT NO THIS TIME IS DIFFERENT. \nLmao right. Sure it is.",
">\n\nFucking same. This is just more “ammo” for his orange, shit spewing mouth.",
">\n\nThis guy is still getting more media coverage than the current potus two years into his term. Crazy.",
">\n\nIt does blow that he wasn't forced to comply with the subpoena but for people thinking what a bummer this seems like, the house is switching to a republican majority in like a week so it didn't make a whole lot of sense to leave an active subpoena on record knowing it would never be resolved. They likely knew he wasn't going to comply when it was issued only now its offical that it was officially issued, ignored by trump, and terminated. Who knows if the DOJ will eventually file but everyone pretty much already knew that little temper tantrum trump wasn't going to aid in his own house sedition investigation.",
">\n\nIf we restrict ourselves to the issue of compliance with a subpoena from this committee, then the recent election clearly mooted every aspect of penalties or consequences related to ignoring the subpoena.\nIt's like a big brother was called over and little bro wanted him to force his adversary to bow and kiss the ground. But by the time big bro finally wanders over, the kid goes \"nah... we're good.\"\nA lot of folk like to believe contempt of court or contempt of congress is like any other crime where you do the deed and have to face the punishment. But, in general, these things do not work like crimes. Even where contempt has been codified such that there is a criminal contempt aspect, the goal remains to seek or to force compliance. This leads to \"punishments\" which are better or worse depending on how you view things. A simple view is that you could be \"sentenced\" to indefinite incarceration because it's a \"jailed until compliance\" thing.\nIn this case, Congress has been very, very reticent to try to use their inherent power to jail someone. So the most they ever do these days is refer the case to the DoJ to pursue criminal contempt of congress.\nAll in all, is this a \"good\" thing? Maybe it's not as bad as we feel it to be. Imagine any sort of argument where someone demands you do something. You retort \"are you sure?\" Bystanders urge folk cool down and think about it. Map that into the way Congress changes every two years and you get a sense that unless something is important enough that it remains after the public alters the composition of the legislative branch, maybe it's not all that important (to the public) after all.\nOn the other hand, why would anyone fear Congress when they demonstrate time and again there never really are any consequences for refusal to comply with subpoenas? But... do we want to quake in fear whenever some nutjob party gains control and enacts something as dire as the Committee on Unamerican Activities?",
">\n\nWhat is the advantage of dropping the subpoena, as opposed to just letting it expire/letting the new congress withdraw it? Why go on record saying he no longer has to come in? I get that he was never going to show, I’m just curious why this is better than the alternative.",
">\n\nI’m wondering this too. There has to be a good reason.",
">\n\n?? Why, like it had no power, but still why? This looks like weakness",
">\n\nThe subpoena expires when the new congress is sworn in on Jan 3rd. There was no practical way to enforce it.",
">\n\nWhy not just let it expire?\nNow Republicans have a talking point that the January 6th Committee withdrew their subpoena.\nThey'll use it to muddy the waters and spread more misinformation.",
">\n\nThey already had their talking points. They've had them the whole time. They already released a \"counter report\" to the J6 committee. The committee withdrew it because they are closing up shop. The report is out. Where would Donnie's answers go?",
">\n\nWhy was he not charged with contempt for no show? Once again, he gets let off for bad behaviour",
">\n\nBecause they referred him for 4 much more serious crimes with longer sentences. Referring him for this is essentially pointless.",
">\n\nYes, but i see it as another nail in the coffin, and also sends a message that subpoenas are not to be ignored",
">\n\nImagine if you or I tried to just ignore a subpoena.",
">\n\nIt’s OK if you’re a Republican, as the war criminal’s daughter who voted in line with Trump’s policies during her House tenure can attest.",
">\n\nAnother instance of unequal justice under the law, imo. If you or I disregarded a subpoena from Congress we'd be going to jail...like Steve Bannon.",
">\n\nDrag it out, do nothing, repeat. Glad the J6 group produced a ton of info and exposed a lot of the bs but what's the point of nothing really happens? Media circus? I'm so tired.",
">\n\nGreat precedent. It's good to know if I'm ever subpoenaed by congress I can just ignore it.",
">\n\nJ6 knew he'd puss out and just wanted to get it on the record. And for the same reason they haven't gone after Meadows for ignoring his subpoena, are all of the other serious crimes hanging over him and the orange Traitor in Chief, especially now, the subpoenas aren't worth the time and effort.",
">\n\n\nAnd for the same reason they haven't gone after Meadows for ignoring his subpoena\n\nTo be fair... the House voted him in criminal contempt and sent the referral to that to the DoJ. There wasn't really anything they could do beyond that with respect to his subpoena (yes, inherent contempt in theory exists, in practice it would have been useless for multiple reasons).\nMeadows is also included in the big criminal referrals the committee issued as part of their report as well.",
">\n\nAs usual, this country’s justice system is a joke",
">\n\nThis was a subpoena issued by the congress, not DOJ. He would be arrested if this was subpoena by DOJ and he didn’t show.",
">\n\nLike I said lol this country’s justice system is a joke",
">\n\nBut the justice system has not been involved yet!!! Congressional hearing is not an example of the justice system. The congress has referred the case to the DOJ or “the justice system” as a result of their hearing. DOJ will pursue a criminal investigation and pursue charges. \nJudiciary (justice system as you call it), congress, and executive branches are constitutionally separate and independent to ensure checks and balances.\nJustice system in the US is not ideal, but this specific instance is not an example of these inefficiencies. This is an example of how the congress has been ineffective in doing their legislative actions. In this instance the correct statement would be “Legislative system in this country is a joke.” Justice system has not had a chance to show its incompetence yet. That will be next.",
">\n\nNaive of you to think this is anything more than a show they’re putting on. Nothing will come of it, democrats are by nature pussies let’s be real. None have any teeth or claws. The right is full of a bunch of tribalistic monkeys, party is apparently more important than country. I guess I can rephrase, besides making money and being the best business in the world, America is a joke.",
">\n\n\"OMG. I'm so outraged by this even though I have no idea why.\"\nIt'd be nice if you guys learned the difference between the subpoena and the criminal referral. trump was never going to show up for the subpoena especially since the GOP is about to take control. It's a completely moot point.",
">\n\nExactly. The committee already referred him to the DoJ on criminal charges. Everyone is acting like they're just taking their ball and going home. They already went well and beyond a mere subpoena here, and one of the charges that they're recommending is obstruction already.",
">\n\nAren’t subpoenas mandatory with consequences? Either you show up or go to jail. Trump did neither.",
">\n\nNot if you are rich. Laws are you only for the the lower 90%",
">\n\nThis is such bullshit.",
">\n\nAnother precedent set for rich criminals to not comply. If we citizens didn’t show we’d be at a black site with electrodes on our genitals.",
">\n\nThey should have charged Trump with contempt of Congress.",
">\n\nSo whens the next uprising on behalf of rich people? Just be sure you're actually a political player because if you're just a worker you'll be charged. Chess has really changed over the past hundred years.",
">\n\nTotally expected. \nTrump, the really TV star, said he'd only agree to answer the subpoena if it were live & televised. It's quite obvious the reason is that he'd ignore the questioning & use the free air time to spew his BS, much like in the Presidential debates. \nAnd I'm sure the incoming Republican House would have loved to have given him the opportunity",
">\n\nyeah kinda moot at this point , they already made those criminal referrals anyways lol i wish they would have perused charging him for not showing up however but maybe they figured in light of everything they should focus on the key issues and at this point whatever he had to say really doesnt matter anyways as he would just lie. his testimony would pretty much be useless. its still a shame we didnt get to see it just for historys sake lol",
">\n\nAl trump would do is take the 5th like any other ordinary criminal",
">\n\nSo far as things have gone, will it now be ok for Democrats to ignore all the subpoenas that this next R House is going to send around? I’d think so….",
">\n\nOur government has failed us.... Good luck everyone.",
">\n\nAh yes the criminal Justice system, quite possibly the longest running joke in America",
">\n\n& you just know the cheeto will say something like, ha!, they dropped the subpoena cause they knew I am innocent, or some 💩 like that",
">\n\nNo surprise there. Trump is above the law, as he has proven time and again, over and over throughout the last several years. \nI will be surprised if anything comes out of this investigation, at all. \nI will be surprised if the next republican president isn't worse than Trump. \nI mean seriously, how do they convict him of anything if they can't even call him for questioning. Ever heard of anyone, ever, to get convicted of a crime that didn't have to talk to investigators at some point? \nFuck America. Fuck Trump. And fuck the pussy ass people who refuse to do their fucking job.",
">\n\nThey dropped it because it wasn't necessary and would have given him a national platform needlessly. DOJ will pass to the special council which will bring formal charges, if any will be brought.",
">\n\nThis is actually heartbreaking. Seen a lot of politicians and people of note show time and time again that the rules for EVERY CITIZEN don’t apply to them and this stings just a little more",
">\n\nMy theory that he is blackmailing everyone from the White House down with Area 51 malarky is still holding water...",
">\n\nLet us all start committing crimes and see how that goes, this is bs",
">\n\nSuch bs. I knew he would sleeze his way out of any consequences for his actions. This will only embolden him & his lunatic followers. He incites a riot that kills people & gets away with it. If any of us incited a riot, we would still be in jail & if people died during the riot, we would be charged with murder as well. So sick & tired of the double standard when it comes to a president who breaks the law & walks away, just like nixon did.",
">\n\nshould not have dropped\nshould have referred it to doj for contempt of congress...\nwhite rich continue to get a pass for what the rest of us would have long ago been prosecuted and imprisoned...",
">\n\nThey already referred him to DOJ for obstruction of a govt proceeding last week. What are you talking about?",
">\n\nYeah, because why would you want to subpoena the guy who was completely responsible for the entire thing?\nThe Chuck Schumer neoliberals have engineered this to completely let Trump get away with it - because they think the Republicans are still their friends and they don't want to piss them off!",
">\n\nThey subpoenaed trump months ago. He declined to show. Since, investigation is over, they dropped it. This is not even really news worthy.",
">\n\nHalf the people in this thread have no idea what they're talking about and are confusing the subpoena with the criminal referral.",
">\n\nOh, is that what's going on? Lol. I was wondering why ppl are making a big deal about this. This is just the committee cleaning up loose ends.",
">\n\nIt's a big deal if someone who's now a private citizen, can do wtf he wants and ignore a Congressional subpoena.",
">\n\nIt takes votes by congress to hold in contempt. They didn't need trump's testimony. He would just show up and repeat I plead the 5th anyway. Pence ignored his, too. It's pointless to hold them in contempt and get off focus of actual investigation.",
">\n\nYou're proving my point. Congressional Democrats should have enforced the subpoena and made Trump plead the 5th to every question. Imagine if Pence also appeared and pled the 5th to every question. That is political magic for the Democrats, it makes them look guilty as hell.\nTrump committed a crime, and this is America. It should be the same as if I committed a crime. We would get arrested, taken to jail until the morning, see a judge and face our charges, and then either get released on OR, held for trial, or bail set. It's not much of a democracy if laws are not enforced against powerful people.",
">\n\nOnce you all realize this is just a game and you’re the pawn things will make a lot more sense.",
">\n\nNow hear him cry about never getting a chance to testify when he’s charged.",
">\n\nI see this less as a “you’re excused” and more of a “see you in court”",
">\n\nNo need to bother with it when they've already finished their work. The only thing that testimony would have accomplished would have been getting Trump to look bad on national television, and a potential perjury charge. Trump already has embarrassed himself in public in a massive way since then, and they have bigger crimes to recommend to the DOJ for prosecution.",
">\n\nThe moment they announced the subpoena everyone got a hard on that trump would have to talk. I said it then and I’ll say it again, trump will never have to face any punishment and he doesn’t have to comply to any law or rules. They’re all more suggestions instead of laws.",
">\n\nWhat a waste of fucking time",
">\n\nSo......this was a big fat waste of time and money?",
">\n\nI mean they made a criminal referral so, no? The committee wasn’t set up to solely investigate Dolt 45 and took the testimony of over a thousand people, why is it you believe withdrawing one subpoena because the committee is winding down renders the entire process a “waste of time and money.”",
">\n\nNo mention on CNN that they dropped the subpoena after a year of January 6 January 6 January 6 terrible news station",
">\n\nWell, it’s being run by a Republican so go figure",
">\n\nTalk about the wheels of justice turning slow. In this case reversing altogether. Well done.",
">\n\nI wish this surprised me.",
">\n\nLOL God this is so funny\nWhat the fuck did y'all expect if you have money you are above the law. It only applies to the poor and those who step on the toes of capital.",
">\n\nWhat a waste of money",
">\n\n...And a Happy New Year!",
">\n\nClassic",
">\n\nShocking",
">\n\nOur governing body are a bunch of cowards. The US is being safeguarded by self-interested Congresspersons who speak about accountability and act on cowardice.",
">\n\nLet's be honest he'll get away with everything with a slap on the wrist. This country won't prosecute a sitting or former president or high ranking politician, we've seen this over and over. The whole committee is sadly a publicity stunt to gain traction for Democrat's. I hope I'm completely wrong of course and that this country will start to feel like it's a democracy.",
">\n\nThe coup is in effect.",
">\n\nI have a sad feeling this committee is going to end up like a fart in the wind"
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"So far Trump's legal strategy of ignoring calls for accountability until Republicans in Congress can bail him out is workingly flawlessly.",
">\n\nThat doesn’t mean the DoJ can’t charge and prosecute. \nRight now everything is in response to republicans getting their slim majority in the house and lessen the damage they will do.\nThat said, they still have the mountain of evidence they did gather",
">\n\nWhat about when the AG/DOJ is a GOP appointee? You don’t think they’ll just put in a Bill Barr type on the entire thing?",
">\n\nNot while they have a democratic president and especially when the previous president lost them the midterms.\nThey were already planning on replacing trump with Desantes by equating the 2 (Martha’s Vineyard was part of that), they’re only gonna lose trying to put their party’s future on the line protect him further.\nThey gonna continue to spread doubt and try to discredit the investigations, but they’re barely holding onto a branch of government, they’re not stupid. Barr only worked because they held onto 2",
">\n\nUmmm that’s not what I meant. If a GOP candidate for President wins in 2024 , what are the actual legal implications. It’s not like it’s below them to interfere like they did with the collusion charges",
">\n\n\nThe House January 6 committee is withdrawing its subpoena of former President Donald Trump as it concludes its work.\n“In light of the imminent end of our investigation, the Select Committee can no longer pursue the specific information covered by the subpoena,” Chairman Bennie Thompson, a Mississippi Democrat, wrote in a letter to Trump’s attorney Wednesday obtained by CNN.\n“Therefore, through this letter, I hereby formally withdraw the subpoena issued to former President Trump, and notify you that he is no longer obligated to comply or produce records in response to said subpoena,” Thompson added.",
">\n\nConclusion: Former president Trump is above the law.",
">\n\nYeah kind of makes me sad. Trump can just ignore a subpoena, with zero consequences. \n“We believe you tried to overthrow the government. You are legally required to come talk to us about it.”\n“No thanks.”\n“Oh. Ok, never mind.”",
">\n\nNo consequences? He's has been referred to the DOJ for obstruction of a govt processing last week. They held a recorded vote.",
">\n\nThat’s not a consequence. It’s kicking the can. Trump will never, ever be held responsible for his role in destroying democracy in America.",
">\n\nThis is not TV or a movie. \"The wheels of justice grind slowly yet exceedingly fine\" is a saying for a reason. Federal investigations usually take years.",
">\n\nHe’s been investigated for years. No consequences. Just special appointments, investigations, and referrals. In the mean time, you know who DOES face consequences?\nAmerica.",
">\n\nYou are judging the end of the movie before it is over.\nThe previous investigations were being done while he had the shield of the presidency and an attorney general running obstruction for him. None of that is true now.",
">\n\nThe GOP will continue fighting on his behalf, because the majority are complicit in 45’s fuckery. Again, no consequences will be had. I’m willing to wager a gift card to your favorite local restaurant that he will live fat, rich, and free until at least the 2024/25 inauguration. Save this post.",
">\n\nWe'll see about that. I'll admit to the loss if thats the case.",
">\n\nMore proof that we the people have no rights in comparison to the billionaire ticks.",
">\n\nDude ain't no billionaire",
">\n\nNo, but his buddies are.",
">\n\nHis puppet masters maybe",
">\n\nI mean, who would have thought not starting the fight sooner would end like this?",
">\n\nDon’t worry. He’s got so many more coming.",
">\n\nThe idea that Trump will pay any price for his crimes is a fantasy.",
">\n\nIt’s actually happening. His company has been found guilty. His charity is closed. His cohorts are about to go to jail. His popularity sagging. Protection is gone. We just need the first indictment.",
">\n\nBut none is him",
">\n\nWell Trump Org is pretty much him but be patient.",
">\n\nDrops in the bucket. \nBeen patient for like 6 years now. How much more we gotta wait?",
">\n\nHe couldn’t be prosecuted while president. Watch GA and the special prosecutor. They’re moving fast.",
">\n\nCouldn't be?\nShould have been.",
">\n\nThat’s absolutely wild that any man is able to just straight up ignore a subpoena with zero consequences. Definition of “above the law”. If he gets away with this, he is going to be more dangerous than ever. You get away with leading a coup/insurrection, you’re going to assume you can get away with literally anything. \nMaybe trump was right… he really could shoot someone in the middle of 5th avenue and not lose any voters…and also probably not even get in trouble",
">\n\nSerious questions...so the committee pull the subpoena, but it's up to DOJ for any additional follow up, but when the new congress is in session they can tell DOJ to drop everything? Is that how's its going to go down? Because I thought DOJ is supposed to be independent once given the committee's findings?",
">\n\nThe DOJ is certainly independent of Congress. As for the committee - the only thing they would've done differently was vote on a criminal referral for contempt of Congress. Although there is some truth to congressional contempt needing to stem from congress, The DOJ has no obligation to act on a referral - it is more akin to a recommendation.\nWith that being said, the committee knew it wasn't going to serve any real benefit, so they decided not to.\n\nThe DOJ decided not to prosecute Meadows and Scavino for contempt due to their close ties to the executive. This pretty much ruled out any chance of it happening to Trump, a former President. \nEven a completely successful referral (Steve Bannon) showed how inconsequential Congressional subpoena power is. For one, it is a misdemeanor. It has been ~15 months since Bannon was referred, and he was found guilty and sentenced, and he is still a free man pending appeal. And even if upheld, it's only 4 months in prison as just shy of maximum sentencing guidelines. \nThe DOJ, if they prosecute, are aiming at much bigger crimes - notably Obstruction of an Official Proceeding, which carries up to 20 years. And they'd be potentially trying these crimes in the same jurisdiction.\n\nSo I'm sure the calculation was that it just wasn't worth throwing a referral at the DOJ for something they'd never follow up on, and wouldn't be much benefit if they did.",
">\n\nIn summary, he’s committed so many crimes that this one isn’t worth any effort",
">\n\nEssentially, yeah. The DOJ has two big chances to secure a conviction: Mar-A-Lago and Jan. 6 - and they will likely bring multiple charges in a D.C. court if they decide to prosecute. Mar-A-Lago will come first, which has virtually nothing to do with this committee's work.\nReferring a misdemeanor to tack onto 4 serious felonies they referred probably only risked muddying the larger offenses. Can't blame them honestly.",
">\n\nWhat is “Mar a Lago” in this context! The tax scheme? Classified documents?",
">\n\nThe classified documents",
">\n\nSmall point but they weren't all classified and don't need to be, for what he did to be illegal. Just trying to avoid republican framing.",
">\n\nHillary was not afraid to testify every time she was asked (and testified for hours and hours each time, answering all questions asked) and never took the 5th. Yet republicans act like she is the criminal when it always has been trump.",
">\n\nEven if she was wrong she was smarter than any of the R in the room. That woman was a machine during those hearings and gave them nothing to work with.",
">\n\nShe is definitely smarter than that barrel of monkeys who questioned her, but ultimately, there was nothing to get from her - the perfect opposite case of crimey benedict donald and his co-conspirators.",
">\n\nIt's interesting to see that people think this subpoena would have continued to exist past Jan 3, 2023 given that that's when ALL open subpoenas from the outgoing congress expire and become null and void. Even if the J6 committee continued to exist- they would be required to file a brand new one in the new session.",
">\n\nIt wouldn't be that hard to file a brand new subpoena, they have lawyers who work full-time for them. That isn't an obstacle.",
">\n\nExcept for the committee doesn't exist in the new Congress and they have no powers to do anything if they don't exist.",
">\n\nIt's easy to get the two confused a lot of times.",
">\n\nHow many of y'all actually thought he wasn't going to run out the clock? \nNothing will fundamentally change.",
">\n\nNobody. The “justice takes time” chorus that dominated the narrative was only here to quell social unrest so society didn’t take a dive while the rich mocked us from their golden pedestals.",
">\n\nSerious question: Why? So what if the Dems lose power in the Congress. Let the Republicans be the one to formally dismantle the committee and subpoena on record. Then when hopefully Trump is charged by the DOJ, dems have another talking point for 2024 that the Republicans hate law and order and protect mob bosses.",
">\n\nThe select committee expires at the end of the congressional session. So they do not need to question him because the committee will not exist.",
">\n\nBut what is the point of formally withdrawing the subpoena? What does it accomplish?",
">\n\nThe committee is over. They have issued the report, they are closing up shop. They are following the process. A secondary part of the committees job was to show how a REAL congressional hearing should be handled. None of that sloppy ass grandstanding they did for Benghazi",
">\n\nMy viewpoint is that Trump and the GOP are just going to use this as “proof” that he did nothing wrong. Remember how the Mueller report “exonerated” Trump? His base believes this shit wholeheartedly and I guarantee he will use this as “evidence” for his innocence.\nShowing how things SHOULD be handled instead of taking whatever measures needed to protect Americans lead to Jan 6th happening in the first place. We all know how things should be handled, how the rules should work, but one side is willing to do whatever they need to keep power and the other is getting walked over.\nIs taking the high road worth letting fascism into our government?",
">\n\nIt’s good to know that republicans are allowed to ignore subpoenas. That’s useful info for them. Don’t expect dems to get that treatment",
">\n\nThey dropped the ball in not issuing one a couple of months ago",
">\n\nActually the Democrats have done everything not to ever pick up the ball even once. They let trump appointed republicans appoint a republican special counsel to fall like a straw man to blatant obstruction in the Russia probe. They turned it into a fundraiser for campaigning. \nThis time they let liz Cheney take the reins, who was able to preserve her republican prerogatives throughout this entire ordeal. \nThe fact is that you're all being cucked by forces of controlled opposition and I'm apparently the only one in the world who can't be so easily mitigated.\nI can't depend on any of you anymore than you can depend on yourselves.",
">\n\nYou lost all credibility at the end when you said cuck and act like you’re the smartest person in the world. Be gone!",
">\n\nYeah, I don't know how anyone can be expected to be taken seriously using that whole sentence unironically.",
">\n\nI don't expect to be taken seriously whether I say it or not, yet the facts remain as I've described.",
">\n\nI didn’t see that coming, said absolutely no one.",
">\n\nWhy.",
">\n\nHUGE mistake. The committee will be dissolved by the GOPers in a couple weeks, and all this did was to give the Marmalade Moses another fake victory to rile up his lemmings.",
">\n\nIt’s funny because I say the same thing every time about trump never getting charged and I always get shit about it like BUT NO THIS TIME IS DIFFERENT. \nLmao right. Sure it is.",
">\n\nFucking same. This is just more “ammo” for his orange, shit spewing mouth.",
">\n\nThis guy is still getting more media coverage than the current potus two years into his term. Crazy.",
">\n\nIt does blow that he wasn't forced to comply with the subpoena but for people thinking what a bummer this seems like, the house is switching to a republican majority in like a week so it didn't make a whole lot of sense to leave an active subpoena on record knowing it would never be resolved. They likely knew he wasn't going to comply when it was issued only now its offical that it was officially issued, ignored by trump, and terminated. Who knows if the DOJ will eventually file but everyone pretty much already knew that little temper tantrum trump wasn't going to aid in his own house sedition investigation.",
">\n\nIf we restrict ourselves to the issue of compliance with a subpoena from this committee, then the recent election clearly mooted every aspect of penalties or consequences related to ignoring the subpoena.\nIt's like a big brother was called over and little bro wanted him to force his adversary to bow and kiss the ground. But by the time big bro finally wanders over, the kid goes \"nah... we're good.\"\nA lot of folk like to believe contempt of court or contempt of congress is like any other crime where you do the deed and have to face the punishment. But, in general, these things do not work like crimes. Even where contempt has been codified such that there is a criminal contempt aspect, the goal remains to seek or to force compliance. This leads to \"punishments\" which are better or worse depending on how you view things. A simple view is that you could be \"sentenced\" to indefinite incarceration because it's a \"jailed until compliance\" thing.\nIn this case, Congress has been very, very reticent to try to use their inherent power to jail someone. So the most they ever do these days is refer the case to the DoJ to pursue criminal contempt of congress.\nAll in all, is this a \"good\" thing? Maybe it's not as bad as we feel it to be. Imagine any sort of argument where someone demands you do something. You retort \"are you sure?\" Bystanders urge folk cool down and think about it. Map that into the way Congress changes every two years and you get a sense that unless something is important enough that it remains after the public alters the composition of the legislative branch, maybe it's not all that important (to the public) after all.\nOn the other hand, why would anyone fear Congress when they demonstrate time and again there never really are any consequences for refusal to comply with subpoenas? But... do we want to quake in fear whenever some nutjob party gains control and enacts something as dire as the Committee on Unamerican Activities?",
">\n\nWhat is the advantage of dropping the subpoena, as opposed to just letting it expire/letting the new congress withdraw it? Why go on record saying he no longer has to come in? I get that he was never going to show, I’m just curious why this is better than the alternative.",
">\n\nI’m wondering this too. There has to be a good reason.",
">\n\n?? Why, like it had no power, but still why? This looks like weakness",
">\n\nThe subpoena expires when the new congress is sworn in on Jan 3rd. There was no practical way to enforce it.",
">\n\nWhy not just let it expire?\nNow Republicans have a talking point that the January 6th Committee withdrew their subpoena.\nThey'll use it to muddy the waters and spread more misinformation.",
">\n\nThey already had their talking points. They've had them the whole time. They already released a \"counter report\" to the J6 committee. The committee withdrew it because they are closing up shop. The report is out. Where would Donnie's answers go?",
">\n\nWhy was he not charged with contempt for no show? Once again, he gets let off for bad behaviour",
">\n\nBecause they referred him for 4 much more serious crimes with longer sentences. Referring him for this is essentially pointless.",
">\n\nYes, but i see it as another nail in the coffin, and also sends a message that subpoenas are not to be ignored",
">\n\nImagine if you or I tried to just ignore a subpoena.",
">\n\nIt’s OK if you’re a Republican, as the war criminal’s daughter who voted in line with Trump’s policies during her House tenure can attest.",
">\n\nAnother instance of unequal justice under the law, imo. If you or I disregarded a subpoena from Congress we'd be going to jail...like Steve Bannon.",
">\n\nDrag it out, do nothing, repeat. Glad the J6 group produced a ton of info and exposed a lot of the bs but what's the point of nothing really happens? Media circus? I'm so tired.",
">\n\nGreat precedent. It's good to know if I'm ever subpoenaed by congress I can just ignore it.",
">\n\nJ6 knew he'd puss out and just wanted to get it on the record. And for the same reason they haven't gone after Meadows for ignoring his subpoena, are all of the other serious crimes hanging over him and the orange Traitor in Chief, especially now, the subpoenas aren't worth the time and effort.",
">\n\n\nAnd for the same reason they haven't gone after Meadows for ignoring his subpoena\n\nTo be fair... the House voted him in criminal contempt and sent the referral to that to the DoJ. There wasn't really anything they could do beyond that with respect to his subpoena (yes, inherent contempt in theory exists, in practice it would have been useless for multiple reasons).\nMeadows is also included in the big criminal referrals the committee issued as part of their report as well.",
">\n\nAs usual, this country’s justice system is a joke",
">\n\nThis was a subpoena issued by the congress, not DOJ. He would be arrested if this was subpoena by DOJ and he didn’t show.",
">\n\nLike I said lol this country’s justice system is a joke",
">\n\nBut the justice system has not been involved yet!!! Congressional hearing is not an example of the justice system. The congress has referred the case to the DOJ or “the justice system” as a result of their hearing. DOJ will pursue a criminal investigation and pursue charges. \nJudiciary (justice system as you call it), congress, and executive branches are constitutionally separate and independent to ensure checks and balances.\nJustice system in the US is not ideal, but this specific instance is not an example of these inefficiencies. This is an example of how the congress has been ineffective in doing their legislative actions. In this instance the correct statement would be “Legislative system in this country is a joke.” Justice system has not had a chance to show its incompetence yet. That will be next.",
">\n\nNaive of you to think this is anything more than a show they’re putting on. Nothing will come of it, democrats are by nature pussies let’s be real. None have any teeth or claws. The right is full of a bunch of tribalistic monkeys, party is apparently more important than country. I guess I can rephrase, besides making money and being the best business in the world, America is a joke.",
">\n\n\"OMG. I'm so outraged by this even though I have no idea why.\"\nIt'd be nice if you guys learned the difference between the subpoena and the criminal referral. trump was never going to show up for the subpoena especially since the GOP is about to take control. It's a completely moot point.",
">\n\nExactly. The committee already referred him to the DoJ on criminal charges. Everyone is acting like they're just taking their ball and going home. They already went well and beyond a mere subpoena here, and one of the charges that they're recommending is obstruction already.",
">\n\nAren’t subpoenas mandatory with consequences? Either you show up or go to jail. Trump did neither.",
">\n\nNot if you are rich. Laws are you only for the the lower 90%",
">\n\nThis is such bullshit.",
">\n\nAnother precedent set for rich criminals to not comply. If we citizens didn’t show we’d be at a black site with electrodes on our genitals.",
">\n\nThey should have charged Trump with contempt of Congress.",
">\n\nSo whens the next uprising on behalf of rich people? Just be sure you're actually a political player because if you're just a worker you'll be charged. Chess has really changed over the past hundred years.",
">\n\nTotally expected. \nTrump, the really TV star, said he'd only agree to answer the subpoena if it were live & televised. It's quite obvious the reason is that he'd ignore the questioning & use the free air time to spew his BS, much like in the Presidential debates. \nAnd I'm sure the incoming Republican House would have loved to have given him the opportunity",
">\n\nyeah kinda moot at this point , they already made those criminal referrals anyways lol i wish they would have perused charging him for not showing up however but maybe they figured in light of everything they should focus on the key issues and at this point whatever he had to say really doesnt matter anyways as he would just lie. his testimony would pretty much be useless. its still a shame we didnt get to see it just for historys sake lol",
">\n\nAl trump would do is take the 5th like any other ordinary criminal",
">\n\nSo far as things have gone, will it now be ok for Democrats to ignore all the subpoenas that this next R House is going to send around? I’d think so….",
">\n\nOur government has failed us.... Good luck everyone.",
">\n\nAh yes the criminal Justice system, quite possibly the longest running joke in America",
">\n\n& you just know the cheeto will say something like, ha!, they dropped the subpoena cause they knew I am innocent, or some 💩 like that",
">\n\nNo surprise there. Trump is above the law, as he has proven time and again, over and over throughout the last several years. \nI will be surprised if anything comes out of this investigation, at all. \nI will be surprised if the next republican president isn't worse than Trump. \nI mean seriously, how do they convict him of anything if they can't even call him for questioning. Ever heard of anyone, ever, to get convicted of a crime that didn't have to talk to investigators at some point? \nFuck America. Fuck Trump. And fuck the pussy ass people who refuse to do their fucking job.",
">\n\nThey dropped it because it wasn't necessary and would have given him a national platform needlessly. DOJ will pass to the special council which will bring formal charges, if any will be brought.",
">\n\nThis is actually heartbreaking. Seen a lot of politicians and people of note show time and time again that the rules for EVERY CITIZEN don’t apply to them and this stings just a little more",
">\n\nMy theory that he is blackmailing everyone from the White House down with Area 51 malarky is still holding water...",
">\n\nLet us all start committing crimes and see how that goes, this is bs",
">\n\nSuch bs. I knew he would sleeze his way out of any consequences for his actions. This will only embolden him & his lunatic followers. He incites a riot that kills people & gets away with it. If any of us incited a riot, we would still be in jail & if people died during the riot, we would be charged with murder as well. So sick & tired of the double standard when it comes to a president who breaks the law & walks away, just like nixon did.",
">\n\nshould not have dropped\nshould have referred it to doj for contempt of congress...\nwhite rich continue to get a pass for what the rest of us would have long ago been prosecuted and imprisoned...",
">\n\nThey already referred him to DOJ for obstruction of a govt proceeding last week. What are you talking about?",
">\n\nYeah, because why would you want to subpoena the guy who was completely responsible for the entire thing?\nThe Chuck Schumer neoliberals have engineered this to completely let Trump get away with it - because they think the Republicans are still their friends and they don't want to piss them off!",
">\n\nThey subpoenaed trump months ago. He declined to show. Since, investigation is over, they dropped it. This is not even really news worthy.",
">\n\nHalf the people in this thread have no idea what they're talking about and are confusing the subpoena with the criminal referral.",
">\n\nOh, is that what's going on? Lol. I was wondering why ppl are making a big deal about this. This is just the committee cleaning up loose ends.",
">\n\nIt's a big deal if someone who's now a private citizen, can do wtf he wants and ignore a Congressional subpoena.",
">\n\nIt takes votes by congress to hold in contempt. They didn't need trump's testimony. He would just show up and repeat I plead the 5th anyway. Pence ignored his, too. It's pointless to hold them in contempt and get off focus of actual investigation.",
">\n\nYou're proving my point. Congressional Democrats should have enforced the subpoena and made Trump plead the 5th to every question. Imagine if Pence also appeared and pled the 5th to every question. That is political magic for the Democrats, it makes them look guilty as hell.\nTrump committed a crime, and this is America. It should be the same as if I committed a crime. We would get arrested, taken to jail until the morning, see a judge and face our charges, and then either get released on OR, held for trial, or bail set. It's not much of a democracy if laws are not enforced against powerful people.",
">\n\nOnce you all realize this is just a game and you’re the pawn things will make a lot more sense.",
">\n\nNow hear him cry about never getting a chance to testify when he’s charged.",
">\n\nI see this less as a “you’re excused” and more of a “see you in court”",
">\n\nNo need to bother with it when they've already finished their work. The only thing that testimony would have accomplished would have been getting Trump to look bad on national television, and a potential perjury charge. Trump already has embarrassed himself in public in a massive way since then, and they have bigger crimes to recommend to the DOJ for prosecution.",
">\n\nThe moment they announced the subpoena everyone got a hard on that trump would have to talk. I said it then and I’ll say it again, trump will never have to face any punishment and he doesn’t have to comply to any law or rules. They’re all more suggestions instead of laws.",
">\n\nWhat a waste of fucking time",
">\n\nSo......this was a big fat waste of time and money?",
">\n\nI mean they made a criminal referral so, no? The committee wasn’t set up to solely investigate Dolt 45 and took the testimony of over a thousand people, why is it you believe withdrawing one subpoena because the committee is winding down renders the entire process a “waste of time and money.”",
">\n\nNo mention on CNN that they dropped the subpoena after a year of January 6 January 6 January 6 terrible news station",
">\n\nWell, it’s being run by a Republican so go figure",
">\n\nTalk about the wheels of justice turning slow. In this case reversing altogether. Well done.",
">\n\nI wish this surprised me.",
">\n\nLOL God this is so funny\nWhat the fuck did y'all expect if you have money you are above the law. It only applies to the poor and those who step on the toes of capital.",
">\n\nWhat a waste of money",
">\n\n...And a Happy New Year!",
">\n\nClassic",
">\n\nShocking",
">\n\nOur governing body are a bunch of cowards. The US is being safeguarded by self-interested Congresspersons who speak about accountability and act on cowardice.",
">\n\nLet's be honest he'll get away with everything with a slap on the wrist. This country won't prosecute a sitting or former president or high ranking politician, we've seen this over and over. The whole committee is sadly a publicity stunt to gain traction for Democrat's. I hope I'm completely wrong of course and that this country will start to feel like it's a democracy.",
">\n\nThe coup is in effect.",
">\n\nI have a sad feeling this committee is going to end up like a fart in the wind",
">\n\nYou’re not wrong"
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"So far Trump's legal strategy of ignoring calls for accountability until Republicans in Congress can bail him out is workingly flawlessly.",
">\n\nThat doesn’t mean the DoJ can’t charge and prosecute. \nRight now everything is in response to republicans getting their slim majority in the house and lessen the damage they will do.\nThat said, they still have the mountain of evidence they did gather",
">\n\nWhat about when the AG/DOJ is a GOP appointee? You don’t think they’ll just put in a Bill Barr type on the entire thing?",
">\n\nNot while they have a democratic president and especially when the previous president lost them the midterms.\nThey were already planning on replacing trump with Desantes by equating the 2 (Martha’s Vineyard was part of that), they’re only gonna lose trying to put their party’s future on the line protect him further.\nThey gonna continue to spread doubt and try to discredit the investigations, but they’re barely holding onto a branch of government, they’re not stupid. Barr only worked because they held onto 2",
">\n\nUmmm that’s not what I meant. If a GOP candidate for President wins in 2024 , what are the actual legal implications. It’s not like it’s below them to interfere like they did with the collusion charges",
">\n\n\nThe House January 6 committee is withdrawing its subpoena of former President Donald Trump as it concludes its work.\n“In light of the imminent end of our investigation, the Select Committee can no longer pursue the specific information covered by the subpoena,” Chairman Bennie Thompson, a Mississippi Democrat, wrote in a letter to Trump’s attorney Wednesday obtained by CNN.\n“Therefore, through this letter, I hereby formally withdraw the subpoena issued to former President Trump, and notify you that he is no longer obligated to comply or produce records in response to said subpoena,” Thompson added.",
">\n\nConclusion: Former president Trump is above the law.",
">\n\nYeah kind of makes me sad. Trump can just ignore a subpoena, with zero consequences. \n“We believe you tried to overthrow the government. You are legally required to come talk to us about it.”\n“No thanks.”\n“Oh. Ok, never mind.”",
">\n\nNo consequences? He's has been referred to the DOJ for obstruction of a govt processing last week. They held a recorded vote.",
">\n\nThat’s not a consequence. It’s kicking the can. Trump will never, ever be held responsible for his role in destroying democracy in America.",
">\n\nThis is not TV or a movie. \"The wheels of justice grind slowly yet exceedingly fine\" is a saying for a reason. Federal investigations usually take years.",
">\n\nHe’s been investigated for years. No consequences. Just special appointments, investigations, and referrals. In the mean time, you know who DOES face consequences?\nAmerica.",
">\n\nYou are judging the end of the movie before it is over.\nThe previous investigations were being done while he had the shield of the presidency and an attorney general running obstruction for him. None of that is true now.",
">\n\nThe GOP will continue fighting on his behalf, because the majority are complicit in 45’s fuckery. Again, no consequences will be had. I’m willing to wager a gift card to your favorite local restaurant that he will live fat, rich, and free until at least the 2024/25 inauguration. Save this post.",
">\n\nWe'll see about that. I'll admit to the loss if thats the case.",
">\n\nMore proof that we the people have no rights in comparison to the billionaire ticks.",
">\n\nDude ain't no billionaire",
">\n\nNo, but his buddies are.",
">\n\nHis puppet masters maybe",
">\n\nI mean, who would have thought not starting the fight sooner would end like this?",
">\n\nDon’t worry. He’s got so many more coming.",
">\n\nThe idea that Trump will pay any price for his crimes is a fantasy.",
">\n\nIt’s actually happening. His company has been found guilty. His charity is closed. His cohorts are about to go to jail. His popularity sagging. Protection is gone. We just need the first indictment.",
">\n\nBut none is him",
">\n\nWell Trump Org is pretty much him but be patient.",
">\n\nDrops in the bucket. \nBeen patient for like 6 years now. How much more we gotta wait?",
">\n\nHe couldn’t be prosecuted while president. Watch GA and the special prosecutor. They’re moving fast.",
">\n\nCouldn't be?\nShould have been.",
">\n\nThat’s absolutely wild that any man is able to just straight up ignore a subpoena with zero consequences. Definition of “above the law”. If he gets away with this, he is going to be more dangerous than ever. You get away with leading a coup/insurrection, you’re going to assume you can get away with literally anything. \nMaybe trump was right… he really could shoot someone in the middle of 5th avenue and not lose any voters…and also probably not even get in trouble",
">\n\nSerious questions...so the committee pull the subpoena, but it's up to DOJ for any additional follow up, but when the new congress is in session they can tell DOJ to drop everything? Is that how's its going to go down? Because I thought DOJ is supposed to be independent once given the committee's findings?",
">\n\nThe DOJ is certainly independent of Congress. As for the committee - the only thing they would've done differently was vote on a criminal referral for contempt of Congress. Although there is some truth to congressional contempt needing to stem from congress, The DOJ has no obligation to act on a referral - it is more akin to a recommendation.\nWith that being said, the committee knew it wasn't going to serve any real benefit, so they decided not to.\n\nThe DOJ decided not to prosecute Meadows and Scavino for contempt due to their close ties to the executive. This pretty much ruled out any chance of it happening to Trump, a former President. \nEven a completely successful referral (Steve Bannon) showed how inconsequential Congressional subpoena power is. For one, it is a misdemeanor. It has been ~15 months since Bannon was referred, and he was found guilty and sentenced, and he is still a free man pending appeal. And even if upheld, it's only 4 months in prison as just shy of maximum sentencing guidelines. \nThe DOJ, if they prosecute, are aiming at much bigger crimes - notably Obstruction of an Official Proceeding, which carries up to 20 years. And they'd be potentially trying these crimes in the same jurisdiction.\n\nSo I'm sure the calculation was that it just wasn't worth throwing a referral at the DOJ for something they'd never follow up on, and wouldn't be much benefit if they did.",
">\n\nIn summary, he’s committed so many crimes that this one isn’t worth any effort",
">\n\nEssentially, yeah. The DOJ has two big chances to secure a conviction: Mar-A-Lago and Jan. 6 - and they will likely bring multiple charges in a D.C. court if they decide to prosecute. Mar-A-Lago will come first, which has virtually nothing to do with this committee's work.\nReferring a misdemeanor to tack onto 4 serious felonies they referred probably only risked muddying the larger offenses. Can't blame them honestly.",
">\n\nWhat is “Mar a Lago” in this context! The tax scheme? Classified documents?",
">\n\nThe classified documents",
">\n\nSmall point but they weren't all classified and don't need to be, for what he did to be illegal. Just trying to avoid republican framing.",
">\n\nHillary was not afraid to testify every time she was asked (and testified for hours and hours each time, answering all questions asked) and never took the 5th. Yet republicans act like she is the criminal when it always has been trump.",
">\n\nEven if she was wrong she was smarter than any of the R in the room. That woman was a machine during those hearings and gave them nothing to work with.",
">\n\nShe is definitely smarter than that barrel of monkeys who questioned her, but ultimately, there was nothing to get from her - the perfect opposite case of crimey benedict donald and his co-conspirators.",
">\n\nIt's interesting to see that people think this subpoena would have continued to exist past Jan 3, 2023 given that that's when ALL open subpoenas from the outgoing congress expire and become null and void. Even if the J6 committee continued to exist- they would be required to file a brand new one in the new session.",
">\n\nIt wouldn't be that hard to file a brand new subpoena, they have lawyers who work full-time for them. That isn't an obstacle.",
">\n\nExcept for the committee doesn't exist in the new Congress and they have no powers to do anything if they don't exist.",
">\n\nIt's easy to get the two confused a lot of times.",
">\n\nHow many of y'all actually thought he wasn't going to run out the clock? \nNothing will fundamentally change.",
">\n\nNobody. The “justice takes time” chorus that dominated the narrative was only here to quell social unrest so society didn’t take a dive while the rich mocked us from their golden pedestals.",
">\n\nSerious question: Why? So what if the Dems lose power in the Congress. Let the Republicans be the one to formally dismantle the committee and subpoena on record. Then when hopefully Trump is charged by the DOJ, dems have another talking point for 2024 that the Republicans hate law and order and protect mob bosses.",
">\n\nThe select committee expires at the end of the congressional session. So they do not need to question him because the committee will not exist.",
">\n\nBut what is the point of formally withdrawing the subpoena? What does it accomplish?",
">\n\nThe committee is over. They have issued the report, they are closing up shop. They are following the process. A secondary part of the committees job was to show how a REAL congressional hearing should be handled. None of that sloppy ass grandstanding they did for Benghazi",
">\n\nMy viewpoint is that Trump and the GOP are just going to use this as “proof” that he did nothing wrong. Remember how the Mueller report “exonerated” Trump? His base believes this shit wholeheartedly and I guarantee he will use this as “evidence” for his innocence.\nShowing how things SHOULD be handled instead of taking whatever measures needed to protect Americans lead to Jan 6th happening in the first place. We all know how things should be handled, how the rules should work, but one side is willing to do whatever they need to keep power and the other is getting walked over.\nIs taking the high road worth letting fascism into our government?",
">\n\nIt’s good to know that republicans are allowed to ignore subpoenas. That’s useful info for them. Don’t expect dems to get that treatment",
">\n\nThey dropped the ball in not issuing one a couple of months ago",
">\n\nActually the Democrats have done everything not to ever pick up the ball even once. They let trump appointed republicans appoint a republican special counsel to fall like a straw man to blatant obstruction in the Russia probe. They turned it into a fundraiser for campaigning. \nThis time they let liz Cheney take the reins, who was able to preserve her republican prerogatives throughout this entire ordeal. \nThe fact is that you're all being cucked by forces of controlled opposition and I'm apparently the only one in the world who can't be so easily mitigated.\nI can't depend on any of you anymore than you can depend on yourselves.",
">\n\nYou lost all credibility at the end when you said cuck and act like you’re the smartest person in the world. Be gone!",
">\n\nYeah, I don't know how anyone can be expected to be taken seriously using that whole sentence unironically.",
">\n\nI don't expect to be taken seriously whether I say it or not, yet the facts remain as I've described.",
">\n\nI didn’t see that coming, said absolutely no one.",
">\n\nWhy.",
">\n\nHUGE mistake. The committee will be dissolved by the GOPers in a couple weeks, and all this did was to give the Marmalade Moses another fake victory to rile up his lemmings.",
">\n\nIt’s funny because I say the same thing every time about trump never getting charged and I always get shit about it like BUT NO THIS TIME IS DIFFERENT. \nLmao right. Sure it is.",
">\n\nFucking same. This is just more “ammo” for his orange, shit spewing mouth.",
">\n\nThis guy is still getting more media coverage than the current potus two years into his term. Crazy.",
">\n\nIt does blow that he wasn't forced to comply with the subpoena but for people thinking what a bummer this seems like, the house is switching to a republican majority in like a week so it didn't make a whole lot of sense to leave an active subpoena on record knowing it would never be resolved. They likely knew he wasn't going to comply when it was issued only now its offical that it was officially issued, ignored by trump, and terminated. Who knows if the DOJ will eventually file but everyone pretty much already knew that little temper tantrum trump wasn't going to aid in his own house sedition investigation.",
">\n\nIf we restrict ourselves to the issue of compliance with a subpoena from this committee, then the recent election clearly mooted every aspect of penalties or consequences related to ignoring the subpoena.\nIt's like a big brother was called over and little bro wanted him to force his adversary to bow and kiss the ground. But by the time big bro finally wanders over, the kid goes \"nah... we're good.\"\nA lot of folk like to believe contempt of court or contempt of congress is like any other crime where you do the deed and have to face the punishment. But, in general, these things do not work like crimes. Even where contempt has been codified such that there is a criminal contempt aspect, the goal remains to seek or to force compliance. This leads to \"punishments\" which are better or worse depending on how you view things. A simple view is that you could be \"sentenced\" to indefinite incarceration because it's a \"jailed until compliance\" thing.\nIn this case, Congress has been very, very reticent to try to use their inherent power to jail someone. So the most they ever do these days is refer the case to the DoJ to pursue criminal contempt of congress.\nAll in all, is this a \"good\" thing? Maybe it's not as bad as we feel it to be. Imagine any sort of argument where someone demands you do something. You retort \"are you sure?\" Bystanders urge folk cool down and think about it. Map that into the way Congress changes every two years and you get a sense that unless something is important enough that it remains after the public alters the composition of the legislative branch, maybe it's not all that important (to the public) after all.\nOn the other hand, why would anyone fear Congress when they demonstrate time and again there never really are any consequences for refusal to comply with subpoenas? But... do we want to quake in fear whenever some nutjob party gains control and enacts something as dire as the Committee on Unamerican Activities?",
">\n\nWhat is the advantage of dropping the subpoena, as opposed to just letting it expire/letting the new congress withdraw it? Why go on record saying he no longer has to come in? I get that he was never going to show, I’m just curious why this is better than the alternative.",
">\n\nI’m wondering this too. There has to be a good reason.",
">\n\n?? Why, like it had no power, but still why? This looks like weakness",
">\n\nThe subpoena expires when the new congress is sworn in on Jan 3rd. There was no practical way to enforce it.",
">\n\nWhy not just let it expire?\nNow Republicans have a talking point that the January 6th Committee withdrew their subpoena.\nThey'll use it to muddy the waters and spread more misinformation.",
">\n\nThey already had their talking points. They've had them the whole time. They already released a \"counter report\" to the J6 committee. The committee withdrew it because they are closing up shop. The report is out. Where would Donnie's answers go?",
">\n\nWhy was he not charged with contempt for no show? Once again, he gets let off for bad behaviour",
">\n\nBecause they referred him for 4 much more serious crimes with longer sentences. Referring him for this is essentially pointless.",
">\n\nYes, but i see it as another nail in the coffin, and also sends a message that subpoenas are not to be ignored",
">\n\nImagine if you or I tried to just ignore a subpoena.",
">\n\nIt’s OK if you’re a Republican, as the war criminal’s daughter who voted in line with Trump’s policies during her House tenure can attest.",
">\n\nAnother instance of unequal justice under the law, imo. If you or I disregarded a subpoena from Congress we'd be going to jail...like Steve Bannon.",
">\n\nDrag it out, do nothing, repeat. Glad the J6 group produced a ton of info and exposed a lot of the bs but what's the point of nothing really happens? Media circus? I'm so tired.",
">\n\nGreat precedent. It's good to know if I'm ever subpoenaed by congress I can just ignore it.",
">\n\nJ6 knew he'd puss out and just wanted to get it on the record. And for the same reason they haven't gone after Meadows for ignoring his subpoena, are all of the other serious crimes hanging over him and the orange Traitor in Chief, especially now, the subpoenas aren't worth the time and effort.",
">\n\n\nAnd for the same reason they haven't gone after Meadows for ignoring his subpoena\n\nTo be fair... the House voted him in criminal contempt and sent the referral to that to the DoJ. There wasn't really anything they could do beyond that with respect to his subpoena (yes, inherent contempt in theory exists, in practice it would have been useless for multiple reasons).\nMeadows is also included in the big criminal referrals the committee issued as part of their report as well.",
">\n\nAs usual, this country’s justice system is a joke",
">\n\nThis was a subpoena issued by the congress, not DOJ. He would be arrested if this was subpoena by DOJ and he didn’t show.",
">\n\nLike I said lol this country’s justice system is a joke",
">\n\nBut the justice system has not been involved yet!!! Congressional hearing is not an example of the justice system. The congress has referred the case to the DOJ or “the justice system” as a result of their hearing. DOJ will pursue a criminal investigation and pursue charges. \nJudiciary (justice system as you call it), congress, and executive branches are constitutionally separate and independent to ensure checks and balances.\nJustice system in the US is not ideal, but this specific instance is not an example of these inefficiencies. This is an example of how the congress has been ineffective in doing their legislative actions. In this instance the correct statement would be “Legislative system in this country is a joke.” Justice system has not had a chance to show its incompetence yet. That will be next.",
">\n\nNaive of you to think this is anything more than a show they’re putting on. Nothing will come of it, democrats are by nature pussies let’s be real. None have any teeth or claws. The right is full of a bunch of tribalistic monkeys, party is apparently more important than country. I guess I can rephrase, besides making money and being the best business in the world, America is a joke.",
">\n\n\"OMG. I'm so outraged by this even though I have no idea why.\"\nIt'd be nice if you guys learned the difference between the subpoena and the criminal referral. trump was never going to show up for the subpoena especially since the GOP is about to take control. It's a completely moot point.",
">\n\nExactly. The committee already referred him to the DoJ on criminal charges. Everyone is acting like they're just taking their ball and going home. They already went well and beyond a mere subpoena here, and one of the charges that they're recommending is obstruction already.",
">\n\nAren’t subpoenas mandatory with consequences? Either you show up or go to jail. Trump did neither.",
">\n\nNot if you are rich. Laws are you only for the the lower 90%",
">\n\nThis is such bullshit.",
">\n\nAnother precedent set for rich criminals to not comply. If we citizens didn’t show we’d be at a black site with electrodes on our genitals.",
">\n\nThey should have charged Trump with contempt of Congress.",
">\n\nSo whens the next uprising on behalf of rich people? Just be sure you're actually a political player because if you're just a worker you'll be charged. Chess has really changed over the past hundred years.",
">\n\nTotally expected. \nTrump, the really TV star, said he'd only agree to answer the subpoena if it were live & televised. It's quite obvious the reason is that he'd ignore the questioning & use the free air time to spew his BS, much like in the Presidential debates. \nAnd I'm sure the incoming Republican House would have loved to have given him the opportunity",
">\n\nyeah kinda moot at this point , they already made those criminal referrals anyways lol i wish they would have perused charging him for not showing up however but maybe they figured in light of everything they should focus on the key issues and at this point whatever he had to say really doesnt matter anyways as he would just lie. his testimony would pretty much be useless. its still a shame we didnt get to see it just for historys sake lol",
">\n\nAl trump would do is take the 5th like any other ordinary criminal",
">\n\nSo far as things have gone, will it now be ok for Democrats to ignore all the subpoenas that this next R House is going to send around? I’d think so….",
">\n\nOur government has failed us.... Good luck everyone.",
">\n\nAh yes the criminal Justice system, quite possibly the longest running joke in America",
">\n\n& you just know the cheeto will say something like, ha!, they dropped the subpoena cause they knew I am innocent, or some 💩 like that",
">\n\nNo surprise there. Trump is above the law, as he has proven time and again, over and over throughout the last several years. \nI will be surprised if anything comes out of this investigation, at all. \nI will be surprised if the next republican president isn't worse than Trump. \nI mean seriously, how do they convict him of anything if they can't even call him for questioning. Ever heard of anyone, ever, to get convicted of a crime that didn't have to talk to investigators at some point? \nFuck America. Fuck Trump. And fuck the pussy ass people who refuse to do their fucking job.",
">\n\nThey dropped it because it wasn't necessary and would have given him a national platform needlessly. DOJ will pass to the special council which will bring formal charges, if any will be brought.",
">\n\nThis is actually heartbreaking. Seen a lot of politicians and people of note show time and time again that the rules for EVERY CITIZEN don’t apply to them and this stings just a little more",
">\n\nMy theory that he is blackmailing everyone from the White House down with Area 51 malarky is still holding water...",
">\n\nLet us all start committing crimes and see how that goes, this is bs",
">\n\nSuch bs. I knew he would sleeze his way out of any consequences for his actions. This will only embolden him & his lunatic followers. He incites a riot that kills people & gets away with it. If any of us incited a riot, we would still be in jail & if people died during the riot, we would be charged with murder as well. So sick & tired of the double standard when it comes to a president who breaks the law & walks away, just like nixon did.",
">\n\nshould not have dropped\nshould have referred it to doj for contempt of congress...\nwhite rich continue to get a pass for what the rest of us would have long ago been prosecuted and imprisoned...",
">\n\nThey already referred him to DOJ for obstruction of a govt proceeding last week. What are you talking about?",
">\n\nYeah, because why would you want to subpoena the guy who was completely responsible for the entire thing?\nThe Chuck Schumer neoliberals have engineered this to completely let Trump get away with it - because they think the Republicans are still their friends and they don't want to piss them off!",
">\n\nThey subpoenaed trump months ago. He declined to show. Since, investigation is over, they dropped it. This is not even really news worthy.",
">\n\nHalf the people in this thread have no idea what they're talking about and are confusing the subpoena with the criminal referral.",
">\n\nOh, is that what's going on? Lol. I was wondering why ppl are making a big deal about this. This is just the committee cleaning up loose ends.",
">\n\nIt's a big deal if someone who's now a private citizen, can do wtf he wants and ignore a Congressional subpoena.",
">\n\nIt takes votes by congress to hold in contempt. They didn't need trump's testimony. He would just show up and repeat I plead the 5th anyway. Pence ignored his, too. It's pointless to hold them in contempt and get off focus of actual investigation.",
">\n\nYou're proving my point. Congressional Democrats should have enforced the subpoena and made Trump plead the 5th to every question. Imagine if Pence also appeared and pled the 5th to every question. That is political magic for the Democrats, it makes them look guilty as hell.\nTrump committed a crime, and this is America. It should be the same as if I committed a crime. We would get arrested, taken to jail until the morning, see a judge and face our charges, and then either get released on OR, held for trial, or bail set. It's not much of a democracy if laws are not enforced against powerful people.",
">\n\nOnce you all realize this is just a game and you’re the pawn things will make a lot more sense.",
">\n\nNow hear him cry about never getting a chance to testify when he’s charged.",
">\n\nI see this less as a “you’re excused” and more of a “see you in court”",
">\n\nNo need to bother with it when they've already finished their work. The only thing that testimony would have accomplished would have been getting Trump to look bad on national television, and a potential perjury charge. Trump already has embarrassed himself in public in a massive way since then, and they have bigger crimes to recommend to the DOJ for prosecution.",
">\n\nThe moment they announced the subpoena everyone got a hard on that trump would have to talk. I said it then and I’ll say it again, trump will never have to face any punishment and he doesn’t have to comply to any law or rules. They’re all more suggestions instead of laws.",
">\n\nWhat a waste of fucking time",
">\n\nSo......this was a big fat waste of time and money?",
">\n\nI mean they made a criminal referral so, no? The committee wasn’t set up to solely investigate Dolt 45 and took the testimony of over a thousand people, why is it you believe withdrawing one subpoena because the committee is winding down renders the entire process a “waste of time and money.”",
">\n\nNo mention on CNN that they dropped the subpoena after a year of January 6 January 6 January 6 terrible news station",
">\n\nWell, it’s being run by a Republican so go figure",
">\n\nTalk about the wheels of justice turning slow. In this case reversing altogether. Well done.",
">\n\nI wish this surprised me.",
">\n\nLOL God this is so funny\nWhat the fuck did y'all expect if you have money you are above the law. It only applies to the poor and those who step on the toes of capital.",
">\n\nWhat a waste of money",
">\n\n...And a Happy New Year!",
">\n\nClassic",
">\n\nShocking",
">\n\nOur governing body are a bunch of cowards. The US is being safeguarded by self-interested Congresspersons who speak about accountability and act on cowardice.",
">\n\nLet's be honest he'll get away with everything with a slap on the wrist. This country won't prosecute a sitting or former president or high ranking politician, we've seen this over and over. The whole committee is sadly a publicity stunt to gain traction for Democrat's. I hope I'm completely wrong of course and that this country will start to feel like it's a democracy.",
">\n\nThe coup is in effect.",
">\n\nI have a sad feeling this committee is going to end up like a fart in the wind",
">\n\nYou’re not wrong",
">\n\nWtf are you talking about?"
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"So far Trump's legal strategy of ignoring calls for accountability until Republicans in Congress can bail him out is workingly flawlessly.",
">\n\nThat doesn’t mean the DoJ can’t charge and prosecute. \nRight now everything is in response to republicans getting their slim majority in the house and lessen the damage they will do.\nThat said, they still have the mountain of evidence they did gather",
">\n\nWhat about when the AG/DOJ is a GOP appointee? You don’t think they’ll just put in a Bill Barr type on the entire thing?",
">\n\nNot while they have a democratic president and especially when the previous president lost them the midterms.\nThey were already planning on replacing trump with Desantes by equating the 2 (Martha’s Vineyard was part of that), they’re only gonna lose trying to put their party’s future on the line protect him further.\nThey gonna continue to spread doubt and try to discredit the investigations, but they’re barely holding onto a branch of government, they’re not stupid. Barr only worked because they held onto 2",
">\n\nUmmm that’s not what I meant. If a GOP candidate for President wins in 2024 , what are the actual legal implications. It’s not like it’s below them to interfere like they did with the collusion charges",
">\n\n\nThe House January 6 committee is withdrawing its subpoena of former President Donald Trump as it concludes its work.\n“In light of the imminent end of our investigation, the Select Committee can no longer pursue the specific information covered by the subpoena,” Chairman Bennie Thompson, a Mississippi Democrat, wrote in a letter to Trump’s attorney Wednesday obtained by CNN.\n“Therefore, through this letter, I hereby formally withdraw the subpoena issued to former President Trump, and notify you that he is no longer obligated to comply or produce records in response to said subpoena,” Thompson added.",
">\n\nConclusion: Former president Trump is above the law.",
">\n\nYeah kind of makes me sad. Trump can just ignore a subpoena, with zero consequences. \n“We believe you tried to overthrow the government. You are legally required to come talk to us about it.”\n“No thanks.”\n“Oh. Ok, never mind.”",
">\n\nNo consequences? He's has been referred to the DOJ for obstruction of a govt processing last week. They held a recorded vote.",
">\n\nThat’s not a consequence. It’s kicking the can. Trump will never, ever be held responsible for his role in destroying democracy in America.",
">\n\nThis is not TV or a movie. \"The wheels of justice grind slowly yet exceedingly fine\" is a saying for a reason. Federal investigations usually take years.",
">\n\nHe’s been investigated for years. No consequences. Just special appointments, investigations, and referrals. In the mean time, you know who DOES face consequences?\nAmerica.",
">\n\nYou are judging the end of the movie before it is over.\nThe previous investigations were being done while he had the shield of the presidency and an attorney general running obstruction for him. None of that is true now.",
">\n\nThe GOP will continue fighting on his behalf, because the majority are complicit in 45’s fuckery. Again, no consequences will be had. I’m willing to wager a gift card to your favorite local restaurant that he will live fat, rich, and free until at least the 2024/25 inauguration. Save this post.",
">\n\nWe'll see about that. I'll admit to the loss if thats the case.",
">\n\nMore proof that we the people have no rights in comparison to the billionaire ticks.",
">\n\nDude ain't no billionaire",
">\n\nNo, but his buddies are.",
">\n\nHis puppet masters maybe",
">\n\nI mean, who would have thought not starting the fight sooner would end like this?",
">\n\nDon’t worry. He’s got so many more coming.",
">\n\nThe idea that Trump will pay any price for his crimes is a fantasy.",
">\n\nIt’s actually happening. His company has been found guilty. His charity is closed. His cohorts are about to go to jail. His popularity sagging. Protection is gone. We just need the first indictment.",
">\n\nBut none is him",
">\n\nWell Trump Org is pretty much him but be patient.",
">\n\nDrops in the bucket. \nBeen patient for like 6 years now. How much more we gotta wait?",
">\n\nHe couldn’t be prosecuted while president. Watch GA and the special prosecutor. They’re moving fast.",
">\n\nCouldn't be?\nShould have been.",
">\n\nThat’s absolutely wild that any man is able to just straight up ignore a subpoena with zero consequences. Definition of “above the law”. If he gets away with this, he is going to be more dangerous than ever. You get away with leading a coup/insurrection, you’re going to assume you can get away with literally anything. \nMaybe trump was right… he really could shoot someone in the middle of 5th avenue and not lose any voters…and also probably not even get in trouble",
">\n\nSerious questions...so the committee pull the subpoena, but it's up to DOJ for any additional follow up, but when the new congress is in session they can tell DOJ to drop everything? Is that how's its going to go down? Because I thought DOJ is supposed to be independent once given the committee's findings?",
">\n\nThe DOJ is certainly independent of Congress. As for the committee - the only thing they would've done differently was vote on a criminal referral for contempt of Congress. Although there is some truth to congressional contempt needing to stem from congress, The DOJ has no obligation to act on a referral - it is more akin to a recommendation.\nWith that being said, the committee knew it wasn't going to serve any real benefit, so they decided not to.\n\nThe DOJ decided not to prosecute Meadows and Scavino for contempt due to their close ties to the executive. This pretty much ruled out any chance of it happening to Trump, a former President. \nEven a completely successful referral (Steve Bannon) showed how inconsequential Congressional subpoena power is. For one, it is a misdemeanor. It has been ~15 months since Bannon was referred, and he was found guilty and sentenced, and he is still a free man pending appeal. And even if upheld, it's only 4 months in prison as just shy of maximum sentencing guidelines. \nThe DOJ, if they prosecute, are aiming at much bigger crimes - notably Obstruction of an Official Proceeding, which carries up to 20 years. And they'd be potentially trying these crimes in the same jurisdiction.\n\nSo I'm sure the calculation was that it just wasn't worth throwing a referral at the DOJ for something they'd never follow up on, and wouldn't be much benefit if they did.",
">\n\nIn summary, he’s committed so many crimes that this one isn’t worth any effort",
">\n\nEssentially, yeah. The DOJ has two big chances to secure a conviction: Mar-A-Lago and Jan. 6 - and they will likely bring multiple charges in a D.C. court if they decide to prosecute. Mar-A-Lago will come first, which has virtually nothing to do with this committee's work.\nReferring a misdemeanor to tack onto 4 serious felonies they referred probably only risked muddying the larger offenses. Can't blame them honestly.",
">\n\nWhat is “Mar a Lago” in this context! The tax scheme? Classified documents?",
">\n\nThe classified documents",
">\n\nSmall point but they weren't all classified and don't need to be, for what he did to be illegal. Just trying to avoid republican framing.",
">\n\nHillary was not afraid to testify every time she was asked (and testified for hours and hours each time, answering all questions asked) and never took the 5th. Yet republicans act like she is the criminal when it always has been trump.",
">\n\nEven if she was wrong she was smarter than any of the R in the room. That woman was a machine during those hearings and gave them nothing to work with.",
">\n\nShe is definitely smarter than that barrel of monkeys who questioned her, but ultimately, there was nothing to get from her - the perfect opposite case of crimey benedict donald and his co-conspirators.",
">\n\nIt's interesting to see that people think this subpoena would have continued to exist past Jan 3, 2023 given that that's when ALL open subpoenas from the outgoing congress expire and become null and void. Even if the J6 committee continued to exist- they would be required to file a brand new one in the new session.",
">\n\nIt wouldn't be that hard to file a brand new subpoena, they have lawyers who work full-time for them. That isn't an obstacle.",
">\n\nExcept for the committee doesn't exist in the new Congress and they have no powers to do anything if they don't exist.",
">\n\nIt's easy to get the two confused a lot of times.",
">\n\nHow many of y'all actually thought he wasn't going to run out the clock? \nNothing will fundamentally change.",
">\n\nNobody. The “justice takes time” chorus that dominated the narrative was only here to quell social unrest so society didn’t take a dive while the rich mocked us from their golden pedestals.",
">\n\nSerious question: Why? So what if the Dems lose power in the Congress. Let the Republicans be the one to formally dismantle the committee and subpoena on record. Then when hopefully Trump is charged by the DOJ, dems have another talking point for 2024 that the Republicans hate law and order and protect mob bosses.",
">\n\nThe select committee expires at the end of the congressional session. So they do not need to question him because the committee will not exist.",
">\n\nBut what is the point of formally withdrawing the subpoena? What does it accomplish?",
">\n\nThe committee is over. They have issued the report, they are closing up shop. They are following the process. A secondary part of the committees job was to show how a REAL congressional hearing should be handled. None of that sloppy ass grandstanding they did for Benghazi",
">\n\nMy viewpoint is that Trump and the GOP are just going to use this as “proof” that he did nothing wrong. Remember how the Mueller report “exonerated” Trump? His base believes this shit wholeheartedly and I guarantee he will use this as “evidence” for his innocence.\nShowing how things SHOULD be handled instead of taking whatever measures needed to protect Americans lead to Jan 6th happening in the first place. We all know how things should be handled, how the rules should work, but one side is willing to do whatever they need to keep power and the other is getting walked over.\nIs taking the high road worth letting fascism into our government?",
">\n\nIt’s good to know that republicans are allowed to ignore subpoenas. That’s useful info for them. Don’t expect dems to get that treatment",
">\n\nThey dropped the ball in not issuing one a couple of months ago",
">\n\nActually the Democrats have done everything not to ever pick up the ball even once. They let trump appointed republicans appoint a republican special counsel to fall like a straw man to blatant obstruction in the Russia probe. They turned it into a fundraiser for campaigning. \nThis time they let liz Cheney take the reins, who was able to preserve her republican prerogatives throughout this entire ordeal. \nThe fact is that you're all being cucked by forces of controlled opposition and I'm apparently the only one in the world who can't be so easily mitigated.\nI can't depend on any of you anymore than you can depend on yourselves.",
">\n\nYou lost all credibility at the end when you said cuck and act like you’re the smartest person in the world. Be gone!",
">\n\nYeah, I don't know how anyone can be expected to be taken seriously using that whole sentence unironically.",
">\n\nI don't expect to be taken seriously whether I say it or not, yet the facts remain as I've described.",
">\n\nI didn’t see that coming, said absolutely no one.",
">\n\nWhy.",
">\n\nHUGE mistake. The committee will be dissolved by the GOPers in a couple weeks, and all this did was to give the Marmalade Moses another fake victory to rile up his lemmings.",
">\n\nIt’s funny because I say the same thing every time about trump never getting charged and I always get shit about it like BUT NO THIS TIME IS DIFFERENT. \nLmao right. Sure it is.",
">\n\nFucking same. This is just more “ammo” for his orange, shit spewing mouth.",
">\n\nThis guy is still getting more media coverage than the current potus two years into his term. Crazy.",
">\n\nIt does blow that he wasn't forced to comply with the subpoena but for people thinking what a bummer this seems like, the house is switching to a republican majority in like a week so it didn't make a whole lot of sense to leave an active subpoena on record knowing it would never be resolved. They likely knew he wasn't going to comply when it was issued only now its offical that it was officially issued, ignored by trump, and terminated. Who knows if the DOJ will eventually file but everyone pretty much already knew that little temper tantrum trump wasn't going to aid in his own house sedition investigation.",
">\n\nIf we restrict ourselves to the issue of compliance with a subpoena from this committee, then the recent election clearly mooted every aspect of penalties or consequences related to ignoring the subpoena.\nIt's like a big brother was called over and little bro wanted him to force his adversary to bow and kiss the ground. But by the time big bro finally wanders over, the kid goes \"nah... we're good.\"\nA lot of folk like to believe contempt of court or contempt of congress is like any other crime where you do the deed and have to face the punishment. But, in general, these things do not work like crimes. Even where contempt has been codified such that there is a criminal contempt aspect, the goal remains to seek or to force compliance. This leads to \"punishments\" which are better or worse depending on how you view things. A simple view is that you could be \"sentenced\" to indefinite incarceration because it's a \"jailed until compliance\" thing.\nIn this case, Congress has been very, very reticent to try to use their inherent power to jail someone. So the most they ever do these days is refer the case to the DoJ to pursue criminal contempt of congress.\nAll in all, is this a \"good\" thing? Maybe it's not as bad as we feel it to be. Imagine any sort of argument where someone demands you do something. You retort \"are you sure?\" Bystanders urge folk cool down and think about it. Map that into the way Congress changes every two years and you get a sense that unless something is important enough that it remains after the public alters the composition of the legislative branch, maybe it's not all that important (to the public) after all.\nOn the other hand, why would anyone fear Congress when they demonstrate time and again there never really are any consequences for refusal to comply with subpoenas? But... do we want to quake in fear whenever some nutjob party gains control and enacts something as dire as the Committee on Unamerican Activities?",
">\n\nWhat is the advantage of dropping the subpoena, as opposed to just letting it expire/letting the new congress withdraw it? Why go on record saying he no longer has to come in? I get that he was never going to show, I’m just curious why this is better than the alternative.",
">\n\nI’m wondering this too. There has to be a good reason.",
">\n\n?? Why, like it had no power, but still why? This looks like weakness",
">\n\nThe subpoena expires when the new congress is sworn in on Jan 3rd. There was no practical way to enforce it.",
">\n\nWhy not just let it expire?\nNow Republicans have a talking point that the January 6th Committee withdrew their subpoena.\nThey'll use it to muddy the waters and spread more misinformation.",
">\n\nThey already had their talking points. They've had them the whole time. They already released a \"counter report\" to the J6 committee. The committee withdrew it because they are closing up shop. The report is out. Where would Donnie's answers go?",
">\n\nWhy was he not charged with contempt for no show? Once again, he gets let off for bad behaviour",
">\n\nBecause they referred him for 4 much more serious crimes with longer sentences. Referring him for this is essentially pointless.",
">\n\nYes, but i see it as another nail in the coffin, and also sends a message that subpoenas are not to be ignored",
">\n\nImagine if you or I tried to just ignore a subpoena.",
">\n\nIt’s OK if you’re a Republican, as the war criminal’s daughter who voted in line with Trump’s policies during her House tenure can attest.",
">\n\nAnother instance of unequal justice under the law, imo. If you or I disregarded a subpoena from Congress we'd be going to jail...like Steve Bannon.",
">\n\nDrag it out, do nothing, repeat. Glad the J6 group produced a ton of info and exposed a lot of the bs but what's the point of nothing really happens? Media circus? I'm so tired.",
">\n\nGreat precedent. It's good to know if I'm ever subpoenaed by congress I can just ignore it.",
">\n\nJ6 knew he'd puss out and just wanted to get it on the record. And for the same reason they haven't gone after Meadows for ignoring his subpoena, are all of the other serious crimes hanging over him and the orange Traitor in Chief, especially now, the subpoenas aren't worth the time and effort.",
">\n\n\nAnd for the same reason they haven't gone after Meadows for ignoring his subpoena\n\nTo be fair... the House voted him in criminal contempt and sent the referral to that to the DoJ. There wasn't really anything they could do beyond that with respect to his subpoena (yes, inherent contempt in theory exists, in practice it would have been useless for multiple reasons).\nMeadows is also included in the big criminal referrals the committee issued as part of their report as well.",
">\n\nAs usual, this country’s justice system is a joke",
">\n\nThis was a subpoena issued by the congress, not DOJ. He would be arrested if this was subpoena by DOJ and he didn’t show.",
">\n\nLike I said lol this country’s justice system is a joke",
">\n\nBut the justice system has not been involved yet!!! Congressional hearing is not an example of the justice system. The congress has referred the case to the DOJ or “the justice system” as a result of their hearing. DOJ will pursue a criminal investigation and pursue charges. \nJudiciary (justice system as you call it), congress, and executive branches are constitutionally separate and independent to ensure checks and balances.\nJustice system in the US is not ideal, but this specific instance is not an example of these inefficiencies. This is an example of how the congress has been ineffective in doing their legislative actions. In this instance the correct statement would be “Legislative system in this country is a joke.” Justice system has not had a chance to show its incompetence yet. That will be next.",
">\n\nNaive of you to think this is anything more than a show they’re putting on. Nothing will come of it, democrats are by nature pussies let’s be real. None have any teeth or claws. The right is full of a bunch of tribalistic monkeys, party is apparently more important than country. I guess I can rephrase, besides making money and being the best business in the world, America is a joke.",
">\n\n\"OMG. I'm so outraged by this even though I have no idea why.\"\nIt'd be nice if you guys learned the difference between the subpoena and the criminal referral. trump was never going to show up for the subpoena especially since the GOP is about to take control. It's a completely moot point.",
">\n\nExactly. The committee already referred him to the DoJ on criminal charges. Everyone is acting like they're just taking their ball and going home. They already went well and beyond a mere subpoena here, and one of the charges that they're recommending is obstruction already.",
">\n\nAren’t subpoenas mandatory with consequences? Either you show up or go to jail. Trump did neither.",
">\n\nNot if you are rich. Laws are you only for the the lower 90%",
">\n\nThis is such bullshit.",
">\n\nAnother precedent set for rich criminals to not comply. If we citizens didn’t show we’d be at a black site with electrodes on our genitals.",
">\n\nThey should have charged Trump with contempt of Congress.",
">\n\nSo whens the next uprising on behalf of rich people? Just be sure you're actually a political player because if you're just a worker you'll be charged. Chess has really changed over the past hundred years.",
">\n\nTotally expected. \nTrump, the really TV star, said he'd only agree to answer the subpoena if it were live & televised. It's quite obvious the reason is that he'd ignore the questioning & use the free air time to spew his BS, much like in the Presidential debates. \nAnd I'm sure the incoming Republican House would have loved to have given him the opportunity",
">\n\nyeah kinda moot at this point , they already made those criminal referrals anyways lol i wish they would have perused charging him for not showing up however but maybe they figured in light of everything they should focus on the key issues and at this point whatever he had to say really doesnt matter anyways as he would just lie. his testimony would pretty much be useless. its still a shame we didnt get to see it just for historys sake lol",
">\n\nAl trump would do is take the 5th like any other ordinary criminal",
">\n\nSo far as things have gone, will it now be ok for Democrats to ignore all the subpoenas that this next R House is going to send around? I’d think so….",
">\n\nOur government has failed us.... Good luck everyone.",
">\n\nAh yes the criminal Justice system, quite possibly the longest running joke in America",
">\n\n& you just know the cheeto will say something like, ha!, they dropped the subpoena cause they knew I am innocent, or some 💩 like that",
">\n\nNo surprise there. Trump is above the law, as he has proven time and again, over and over throughout the last several years. \nI will be surprised if anything comes out of this investigation, at all. \nI will be surprised if the next republican president isn't worse than Trump. \nI mean seriously, how do they convict him of anything if they can't even call him for questioning. Ever heard of anyone, ever, to get convicted of a crime that didn't have to talk to investigators at some point? \nFuck America. Fuck Trump. And fuck the pussy ass people who refuse to do their fucking job.",
">\n\nThey dropped it because it wasn't necessary and would have given him a national platform needlessly. DOJ will pass to the special council which will bring formal charges, if any will be brought.",
">\n\nThis is actually heartbreaking. Seen a lot of politicians and people of note show time and time again that the rules for EVERY CITIZEN don’t apply to them and this stings just a little more",
">\n\nMy theory that he is blackmailing everyone from the White House down with Area 51 malarky is still holding water...",
">\n\nLet us all start committing crimes and see how that goes, this is bs",
">\n\nSuch bs. I knew he would sleeze his way out of any consequences for his actions. This will only embolden him & his lunatic followers. He incites a riot that kills people & gets away with it. If any of us incited a riot, we would still be in jail & if people died during the riot, we would be charged with murder as well. So sick & tired of the double standard when it comes to a president who breaks the law & walks away, just like nixon did.",
">\n\nshould not have dropped\nshould have referred it to doj for contempt of congress...\nwhite rich continue to get a pass for what the rest of us would have long ago been prosecuted and imprisoned...",
">\n\nThey already referred him to DOJ for obstruction of a govt proceeding last week. What are you talking about?",
">\n\nYeah, because why would you want to subpoena the guy who was completely responsible for the entire thing?\nThe Chuck Schumer neoliberals have engineered this to completely let Trump get away with it - because they think the Republicans are still their friends and they don't want to piss them off!",
">\n\nThey subpoenaed trump months ago. He declined to show. Since, investigation is over, they dropped it. This is not even really news worthy.",
">\n\nHalf the people in this thread have no idea what they're talking about and are confusing the subpoena with the criminal referral.",
">\n\nOh, is that what's going on? Lol. I was wondering why ppl are making a big deal about this. This is just the committee cleaning up loose ends.",
">\n\nIt's a big deal if someone who's now a private citizen, can do wtf he wants and ignore a Congressional subpoena.",
">\n\nIt takes votes by congress to hold in contempt. They didn't need trump's testimony. He would just show up and repeat I plead the 5th anyway. Pence ignored his, too. It's pointless to hold them in contempt and get off focus of actual investigation.",
">\n\nYou're proving my point. Congressional Democrats should have enforced the subpoena and made Trump plead the 5th to every question. Imagine if Pence also appeared and pled the 5th to every question. That is political magic for the Democrats, it makes them look guilty as hell.\nTrump committed a crime, and this is America. It should be the same as if I committed a crime. We would get arrested, taken to jail until the morning, see a judge and face our charges, and then either get released on OR, held for trial, or bail set. It's not much of a democracy if laws are not enforced against powerful people.",
">\n\nOnce you all realize this is just a game and you’re the pawn things will make a lot more sense.",
">\n\nNow hear him cry about never getting a chance to testify when he’s charged.",
">\n\nI see this less as a “you’re excused” and more of a “see you in court”",
">\n\nNo need to bother with it when they've already finished their work. The only thing that testimony would have accomplished would have been getting Trump to look bad on national television, and a potential perjury charge. Trump already has embarrassed himself in public in a massive way since then, and they have bigger crimes to recommend to the DOJ for prosecution.",
">\n\nThe moment they announced the subpoena everyone got a hard on that trump would have to talk. I said it then and I’ll say it again, trump will never have to face any punishment and he doesn’t have to comply to any law or rules. They’re all more suggestions instead of laws.",
">\n\nWhat a waste of fucking time",
">\n\nSo......this was a big fat waste of time and money?",
">\n\nI mean they made a criminal referral so, no? The committee wasn’t set up to solely investigate Dolt 45 and took the testimony of over a thousand people, why is it you believe withdrawing one subpoena because the committee is winding down renders the entire process a “waste of time and money.”",
">\n\nNo mention on CNN that they dropped the subpoena after a year of January 6 January 6 January 6 terrible news station",
">\n\nWell, it’s being run by a Republican so go figure",
">\n\nTalk about the wheels of justice turning slow. In this case reversing altogether. Well done.",
">\n\nI wish this surprised me.",
">\n\nLOL God this is so funny\nWhat the fuck did y'all expect if you have money you are above the law. It only applies to the poor and those who step on the toes of capital.",
">\n\nWhat a waste of money",
">\n\n...And a Happy New Year!",
">\n\nClassic",
">\n\nShocking",
">\n\nOur governing body are a bunch of cowards. The US is being safeguarded by self-interested Congresspersons who speak about accountability and act on cowardice.",
">\n\nLet's be honest he'll get away with everything with a slap on the wrist. This country won't prosecute a sitting or former president or high ranking politician, we've seen this over and over. The whole committee is sadly a publicity stunt to gain traction for Democrat's. I hope I'm completely wrong of course and that this country will start to feel like it's a democracy.",
">\n\nThe coup is in effect.",
">\n\nI have a sad feeling this committee is going to end up like a fart in the wind",
">\n\nYou’re not wrong",
">\n\nWtf are you talking about?",
">\n\nHands"
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Went out with a whimper. The most Democrat thing ever.
Wish the Dems would learn how to take the gloves off, at least they would have a shot against an opponent that has no problems filling their gloves with lead shot. Then bragging about it.
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"So far Trump's legal strategy of ignoring calls for accountability until Republicans in Congress can bail him out is workingly flawlessly.",
">\n\nThat doesn’t mean the DoJ can’t charge and prosecute. \nRight now everything is in response to republicans getting their slim majority in the house and lessen the damage they will do.\nThat said, they still have the mountain of evidence they did gather",
">\n\nWhat about when the AG/DOJ is a GOP appointee? You don’t think they’ll just put in a Bill Barr type on the entire thing?",
">\n\nNot while they have a democratic president and especially when the previous president lost them the midterms.\nThey were already planning on replacing trump with Desantes by equating the 2 (Martha’s Vineyard was part of that), they’re only gonna lose trying to put their party’s future on the line protect him further.\nThey gonna continue to spread doubt and try to discredit the investigations, but they’re barely holding onto a branch of government, they’re not stupid. Barr only worked because they held onto 2",
">\n\nUmmm that’s not what I meant. If a GOP candidate for President wins in 2024 , what are the actual legal implications. It’s not like it’s below them to interfere like they did with the collusion charges",
">\n\n\nThe House January 6 committee is withdrawing its subpoena of former President Donald Trump as it concludes its work.\n“In light of the imminent end of our investigation, the Select Committee can no longer pursue the specific information covered by the subpoena,” Chairman Bennie Thompson, a Mississippi Democrat, wrote in a letter to Trump’s attorney Wednesday obtained by CNN.\n“Therefore, through this letter, I hereby formally withdraw the subpoena issued to former President Trump, and notify you that he is no longer obligated to comply or produce records in response to said subpoena,” Thompson added.",
">\n\nConclusion: Former president Trump is above the law.",
">\n\nYeah kind of makes me sad. Trump can just ignore a subpoena, with zero consequences. \n“We believe you tried to overthrow the government. You are legally required to come talk to us about it.”\n“No thanks.”\n“Oh. Ok, never mind.”",
">\n\nNo consequences? He's has been referred to the DOJ for obstruction of a govt processing last week. They held a recorded vote.",
">\n\nThat’s not a consequence. It’s kicking the can. Trump will never, ever be held responsible for his role in destroying democracy in America.",
">\n\nThis is not TV or a movie. \"The wheels of justice grind slowly yet exceedingly fine\" is a saying for a reason. Federal investigations usually take years.",
">\n\nHe’s been investigated for years. No consequences. Just special appointments, investigations, and referrals. In the mean time, you know who DOES face consequences?\nAmerica.",
">\n\nYou are judging the end of the movie before it is over.\nThe previous investigations were being done while he had the shield of the presidency and an attorney general running obstruction for him. None of that is true now.",
">\n\nThe GOP will continue fighting on his behalf, because the majority are complicit in 45’s fuckery. Again, no consequences will be had. I’m willing to wager a gift card to your favorite local restaurant that he will live fat, rich, and free until at least the 2024/25 inauguration. Save this post.",
">\n\nWe'll see about that. I'll admit to the loss if thats the case.",
">\n\nMore proof that we the people have no rights in comparison to the billionaire ticks.",
">\n\nDude ain't no billionaire",
">\n\nNo, but his buddies are.",
">\n\nHis puppet masters maybe",
">\n\nI mean, who would have thought not starting the fight sooner would end like this?",
">\n\nDon’t worry. He’s got so many more coming.",
">\n\nThe idea that Trump will pay any price for his crimes is a fantasy.",
">\n\nIt’s actually happening. His company has been found guilty. His charity is closed. His cohorts are about to go to jail. His popularity sagging. Protection is gone. We just need the first indictment.",
">\n\nBut none is him",
">\n\nWell Trump Org is pretty much him but be patient.",
">\n\nDrops in the bucket. \nBeen patient for like 6 years now. How much more we gotta wait?",
">\n\nHe couldn’t be prosecuted while president. Watch GA and the special prosecutor. They’re moving fast.",
">\n\nCouldn't be?\nShould have been.",
">\n\nThat’s absolutely wild that any man is able to just straight up ignore a subpoena with zero consequences. Definition of “above the law”. If he gets away with this, he is going to be more dangerous than ever. You get away with leading a coup/insurrection, you’re going to assume you can get away with literally anything. \nMaybe trump was right… he really could shoot someone in the middle of 5th avenue and not lose any voters…and also probably not even get in trouble",
">\n\nSerious questions...so the committee pull the subpoena, but it's up to DOJ for any additional follow up, but when the new congress is in session they can tell DOJ to drop everything? Is that how's its going to go down? Because I thought DOJ is supposed to be independent once given the committee's findings?",
">\n\nThe DOJ is certainly independent of Congress. As for the committee - the only thing they would've done differently was vote on a criminal referral for contempt of Congress. Although there is some truth to congressional contempt needing to stem from congress, The DOJ has no obligation to act on a referral - it is more akin to a recommendation.\nWith that being said, the committee knew it wasn't going to serve any real benefit, so they decided not to.\n\nThe DOJ decided not to prosecute Meadows and Scavino for contempt due to their close ties to the executive. This pretty much ruled out any chance of it happening to Trump, a former President. \nEven a completely successful referral (Steve Bannon) showed how inconsequential Congressional subpoena power is. For one, it is a misdemeanor. It has been ~15 months since Bannon was referred, and he was found guilty and sentenced, and he is still a free man pending appeal. And even if upheld, it's only 4 months in prison as just shy of maximum sentencing guidelines. \nThe DOJ, if they prosecute, are aiming at much bigger crimes - notably Obstruction of an Official Proceeding, which carries up to 20 years. And they'd be potentially trying these crimes in the same jurisdiction.\n\nSo I'm sure the calculation was that it just wasn't worth throwing a referral at the DOJ for something they'd never follow up on, and wouldn't be much benefit if they did.",
">\n\nIn summary, he’s committed so many crimes that this one isn’t worth any effort",
">\n\nEssentially, yeah. The DOJ has two big chances to secure a conviction: Mar-A-Lago and Jan. 6 - and they will likely bring multiple charges in a D.C. court if they decide to prosecute. Mar-A-Lago will come first, which has virtually nothing to do with this committee's work.\nReferring a misdemeanor to tack onto 4 serious felonies they referred probably only risked muddying the larger offenses. Can't blame them honestly.",
">\n\nWhat is “Mar a Lago” in this context! The tax scheme? Classified documents?",
">\n\nThe classified documents",
">\n\nSmall point but they weren't all classified and don't need to be, for what he did to be illegal. Just trying to avoid republican framing.",
">\n\nHillary was not afraid to testify every time she was asked (and testified for hours and hours each time, answering all questions asked) and never took the 5th. Yet republicans act like she is the criminal when it always has been trump.",
">\n\nEven if she was wrong she was smarter than any of the R in the room. That woman was a machine during those hearings and gave them nothing to work with.",
">\n\nShe is definitely smarter than that barrel of monkeys who questioned her, but ultimately, there was nothing to get from her - the perfect opposite case of crimey benedict donald and his co-conspirators.",
">\n\nIt's interesting to see that people think this subpoena would have continued to exist past Jan 3, 2023 given that that's when ALL open subpoenas from the outgoing congress expire and become null and void. Even if the J6 committee continued to exist- they would be required to file a brand new one in the new session.",
">\n\nIt wouldn't be that hard to file a brand new subpoena, they have lawyers who work full-time for them. That isn't an obstacle.",
">\n\nExcept for the committee doesn't exist in the new Congress and they have no powers to do anything if they don't exist.",
">\n\nIt's easy to get the two confused a lot of times.",
">\n\nHow many of y'all actually thought he wasn't going to run out the clock? \nNothing will fundamentally change.",
">\n\nNobody. The “justice takes time” chorus that dominated the narrative was only here to quell social unrest so society didn’t take a dive while the rich mocked us from their golden pedestals.",
">\n\nSerious question: Why? So what if the Dems lose power in the Congress. Let the Republicans be the one to formally dismantle the committee and subpoena on record. Then when hopefully Trump is charged by the DOJ, dems have another talking point for 2024 that the Republicans hate law and order and protect mob bosses.",
">\n\nThe select committee expires at the end of the congressional session. So they do not need to question him because the committee will not exist.",
">\n\nBut what is the point of formally withdrawing the subpoena? What does it accomplish?",
">\n\nThe committee is over. They have issued the report, they are closing up shop. They are following the process. A secondary part of the committees job was to show how a REAL congressional hearing should be handled. None of that sloppy ass grandstanding they did for Benghazi",
">\n\nMy viewpoint is that Trump and the GOP are just going to use this as “proof” that he did nothing wrong. Remember how the Mueller report “exonerated” Trump? His base believes this shit wholeheartedly and I guarantee he will use this as “evidence” for his innocence.\nShowing how things SHOULD be handled instead of taking whatever measures needed to protect Americans lead to Jan 6th happening in the first place. We all know how things should be handled, how the rules should work, but one side is willing to do whatever they need to keep power and the other is getting walked over.\nIs taking the high road worth letting fascism into our government?",
">\n\nIt’s good to know that republicans are allowed to ignore subpoenas. That’s useful info for them. Don’t expect dems to get that treatment",
">\n\nThey dropped the ball in not issuing one a couple of months ago",
">\n\nActually the Democrats have done everything not to ever pick up the ball even once. They let trump appointed republicans appoint a republican special counsel to fall like a straw man to blatant obstruction in the Russia probe. They turned it into a fundraiser for campaigning. \nThis time they let liz Cheney take the reins, who was able to preserve her republican prerogatives throughout this entire ordeal. \nThe fact is that you're all being cucked by forces of controlled opposition and I'm apparently the only one in the world who can't be so easily mitigated.\nI can't depend on any of you anymore than you can depend on yourselves.",
">\n\nYou lost all credibility at the end when you said cuck and act like you’re the smartest person in the world. Be gone!",
">\n\nYeah, I don't know how anyone can be expected to be taken seriously using that whole sentence unironically.",
">\n\nI don't expect to be taken seriously whether I say it or not, yet the facts remain as I've described.",
">\n\nI didn’t see that coming, said absolutely no one.",
">\n\nWhy.",
">\n\nHUGE mistake. The committee will be dissolved by the GOPers in a couple weeks, and all this did was to give the Marmalade Moses another fake victory to rile up his lemmings.",
">\n\nIt’s funny because I say the same thing every time about trump never getting charged and I always get shit about it like BUT NO THIS TIME IS DIFFERENT. \nLmao right. Sure it is.",
">\n\nFucking same. This is just more “ammo” for his orange, shit spewing mouth.",
">\n\nThis guy is still getting more media coverage than the current potus two years into his term. Crazy.",
">\n\nIt does blow that he wasn't forced to comply with the subpoena but for people thinking what a bummer this seems like, the house is switching to a republican majority in like a week so it didn't make a whole lot of sense to leave an active subpoena on record knowing it would never be resolved. They likely knew he wasn't going to comply when it was issued only now its offical that it was officially issued, ignored by trump, and terminated. Who knows if the DOJ will eventually file but everyone pretty much already knew that little temper tantrum trump wasn't going to aid in his own house sedition investigation.",
">\n\nIf we restrict ourselves to the issue of compliance with a subpoena from this committee, then the recent election clearly mooted every aspect of penalties or consequences related to ignoring the subpoena.\nIt's like a big brother was called over and little bro wanted him to force his adversary to bow and kiss the ground. But by the time big bro finally wanders over, the kid goes \"nah... we're good.\"\nA lot of folk like to believe contempt of court or contempt of congress is like any other crime where you do the deed and have to face the punishment. But, in general, these things do not work like crimes. Even where contempt has been codified such that there is a criminal contempt aspect, the goal remains to seek or to force compliance. This leads to \"punishments\" which are better or worse depending on how you view things. A simple view is that you could be \"sentenced\" to indefinite incarceration because it's a \"jailed until compliance\" thing.\nIn this case, Congress has been very, very reticent to try to use their inherent power to jail someone. So the most they ever do these days is refer the case to the DoJ to pursue criminal contempt of congress.\nAll in all, is this a \"good\" thing? Maybe it's not as bad as we feel it to be. Imagine any sort of argument where someone demands you do something. You retort \"are you sure?\" Bystanders urge folk cool down and think about it. Map that into the way Congress changes every two years and you get a sense that unless something is important enough that it remains after the public alters the composition of the legislative branch, maybe it's not all that important (to the public) after all.\nOn the other hand, why would anyone fear Congress when they demonstrate time and again there never really are any consequences for refusal to comply with subpoenas? But... do we want to quake in fear whenever some nutjob party gains control and enacts something as dire as the Committee on Unamerican Activities?",
">\n\nWhat is the advantage of dropping the subpoena, as opposed to just letting it expire/letting the new congress withdraw it? Why go on record saying he no longer has to come in? I get that he was never going to show, I’m just curious why this is better than the alternative.",
">\n\nI’m wondering this too. There has to be a good reason.",
">\n\n?? Why, like it had no power, but still why? This looks like weakness",
">\n\nThe subpoena expires when the new congress is sworn in on Jan 3rd. There was no practical way to enforce it.",
">\n\nWhy not just let it expire?\nNow Republicans have a talking point that the January 6th Committee withdrew their subpoena.\nThey'll use it to muddy the waters and spread more misinformation.",
">\n\nThey already had their talking points. They've had them the whole time. They already released a \"counter report\" to the J6 committee. The committee withdrew it because they are closing up shop. The report is out. Where would Donnie's answers go?",
">\n\nWhy was he not charged with contempt for no show? Once again, he gets let off for bad behaviour",
">\n\nBecause they referred him for 4 much more serious crimes with longer sentences. Referring him for this is essentially pointless.",
">\n\nYes, but i see it as another nail in the coffin, and also sends a message that subpoenas are not to be ignored",
">\n\nImagine if you or I tried to just ignore a subpoena.",
">\n\nIt’s OK if you’re a Republican, as the war criminal’s daughter who voted in line with Trump’s policies during her House tenure can attest.",
">\n\nAnother instance of unequal justice under the law, imo. If you or I disregarded a subpoena from Congress we'd be going to jail...like Steve Bannon.",
">\n\nDrag it out, do nothing, repeat. Glad the J6 group produced a ton of info and exposed a lot of the bs but what's the point of nothing really happens? Media circus? I'm so tired.",
">\n\nGreat precedent. It's good to know if I'm ever subpoenaed by congress I can just ignore it.",
">\n\nJ6 knew he'd puss out and just wanted to get it on the record. And for the same reason they haven't gone after Meadows for ignoring his subpoena, are all of the other serious crimes hanging over him and the orange Traitor in Chief, especially now, the subpoenas aren't worth the time and effort.",
">\n\n\nAnd for the same reason they haven't gone after Meadows for ignoring his subpoena\n\nTo be fair... the House voted him in criminal contempt and sent the referral to that to the DoJ. There wasn't really anything they could do beyond that with respect to his subpoena (yes, inherent contempt in theory exists, in practice it would have been useless for multiple reasons).\nMeadows is also included in the big criminal referrals the committee issued as part of their report as well.",
">\n\nAs usual, this country’s justice system is a joke",
">\n\nThis was a subpoena issued by the congress, not DOJ. He would be arrested if this was subpoena by DOJ and he didn’t show.",
">\n\nLike I said lol this country’s justice system is a joke",
">\n\nBut the justice system has not been involved yet!!! Congressional hearing is not an example of the justice system. The congress has referred the case to the DOJ or “the justice system” as a result of their hearing. DOJ will pursue a criminal investigation and pursue charges. \nJudiciary (justice system as you call it), congress, and executive branches are constitutionally separate and independent to ensure checks and balances.\nJustice system in the US is not ideal, but this specific instance is not an example of these inefficiencies. This is an example of how the congress has been ineffective in doing their legislative actions. In this instance the correct statement would be “Legislative system in this country is a joke.” Justice system has not had a chance to show its incompetence yet. That will be next.",
">\n\nNaive of you to think this is anything more than a show they’re putting on. Nothing will come of it, democrats are by nature pussies let’s be real. None have any teeth or claws. The right is full of a bunch of tribalistic monkeys, party is apparently more important than country. I guess I can rephrase, besides making money and being the best business in the world, America is a joke.",
">\n\n\"OMG. I'm so outraged by this even though I have no idea why.\"\nIt'd be nice if you guys learned the difference between the subpoena and the criminal referral. trump was never going to show up for the subpoena especially since the GOP is about to take control. It's a completely moot point.",
">\n\nExactly. The committee already referred him to the DoJ on criminal charges. Everyone is acting like they're just taking their ball and going home. They already went well and beyond a mere subpoena here, and one of the charges that they're recommending is obstruction already.",
">\n\nAren’t subpoenas mandatory with consequences? Either you show up or go to jail. Trump did neither.",
">\n\nNot if you are rich. Laws are you only for the the lower 90%",
">\n\nThis is such bullshit.",
">\n\nAnother precedent set for rich criminals to not comply. If we citizens didn’t show we’d be at a black site with electrodes on our genitals.",
">\n\nThey should have charged Trump with contempt of Congress.",
">\n\nSo whens the next uprising on behalf of rich people? Just be sure you're actually a political player because if you're just a worker you'll be charged. Chess has really changed over the past hundred years.",
">\n\nTotally expected. \nTrump, the really TV star, said he'd only agree to answer the subpoena if it were live & televised. It's quite obvious the reason is that he'd ignore the questioning & use the free air time to spew his BS, much like in the Presidential debates. \nAnd I'm sure the incoming Republican House would have loved to have given him the opportunity",
">\n\nyeah kinda moot at this point , they already made those criminal referrals anyways lol i wish they would have perused charging him for not showing up however but maybe they figured in light of everything they should focus on the key issues and at this point whatever he had to say really doesnt matter anyways as he would just lie. his testimony would pretty much be useless. its still a shame we didnt get to see it just for historys sake lol",
">\n\nAl trump would do is take the 5th like any other ordinary criminal",
">\n\nSo far as things have gone, will it now be ok for Democrats to ignore all the subpoenas that this next R House is going to send around? I’d think so….",
">\n\nOur government has failed us.... Good luck everyone.",
">\n\nAh yes the criminal Justice system, quite possibly the longest running joke in America",
">\n\n& you just know the cheeto will say something like, ha!, they dropped the subpoena cause they knew I am innocent, or some 💩 like that",
">\n\nNo surprise there. Trump is above the law, as he has proven time and again, over and over throughout the last several years. \nI will be surprised if anything comes out of this investigation, at all. \nI will be surprised if the next republican president isn't worse than Trump. \nI mean seriously, how do they convict him of anything if they can't even call him for questioning. Ever heard of anyone, ever, to get convicted of a crime that didn't have to talk to investigators at some point? \nFuck America. Fuck Trump. And fuck the pussy ass people who refuse to do their fucking job.",
">\n\nThey dropped it because it wasn't necessary and would have given him a national platform needlessly. DOJ will pass to the special council which will bring formal charges, if any will be brought.",
">\n\nThis is actually heartbreaking. Seen a lot of politicians and people of note show time and time again that the rules for EVERY CITIZEN don’t apply to them and this stings just a little more",
">\n\nMy theory that he is blackmailing everyone from the White House down with Area 51 malarky is still holding water...",
">\n\nLet us all start committing crimes and see how that goes, this is bs",
">\n\nSuch bs. I knew he would sleeze his way out of any consequences for his actions. This will only embolden him & his lunatic followers. He incites a riot that kills people & gets away with it. If any of us incited a riot, we would still be in jail & if people died during the riot, we would be charged with murder as well. So sick & tired of the double standard when it comes to a president who breaks the law & walks away, just like nixon did.",
">\n\nshould not have dropped\nshould have referred it to doj for contempt of congress...\nwhite rich continue to get a pass for what the rest of us would have long ago been prosecuted and imprisoned...",
">\n\nThey already referred him to DOJ for obstruction of a govt proceeding last week. What are you talking about?",
">\n\nYeah, because why would you want to subpoena the guy who was completely responsible for the entire thing?\nThe Chuck Schumer neoliberals have engineered this to completely let Trump get away with it - because they think the Republicans are still their friends and they don't want to piss them off!",
">\n\nThey subpoenaed trump months ago. He declined to show. Since, investigation is over, they dropped it. This is not even really news worthy.",
">\n\nHalf the people in this thread have no idea what they're talking about and are confusing the subpoena with the criminal referral.",
">\n\nOh, is that what's going on? Lol. I was wondering why ppl are making a big deal about this. This is just the committee cleaning up loose ends.",
">\n\nIt's a big deal if someone who's now a private citizen, can do wtf he wants and ignore a Congressional subpoena.",
">\n\nIt takes votes by congress to hold in contempt. They didn't need trump's testimony. He would just show up and repeat I plead the 5th anyway. Pence ignored his, too. It's pointless to hold them in contempt and get off focus of actual investigation.",
">\n\nYou're proving my point. Congressional Democrats should have enforced the subpoena and made Trump plead the 5th to every question. Imagine if Pence also appeared and pled the 5th to every question. That is political magic for the Democrats, it makes them look guilty as hell.\nTrump committed a crime, and this is America. It should be the same as if I committed a crime. We would get arrested, taken to jail until the morning, see a judge and face our charges, and then either get released on OR, held for trial, or bail set. It's not much of a democracy if laws are not enforced against powerful people.",
">\n\nOnce you all realize this is just a game and you’re the pawn things will make a lot more sense.",
">\n\nNow hear him cry about never getting a chance to testify when he’s charged.",
">\n\nI see this less as a “you’re excused” and more of a “see you in court”",
">\n\nNo need to bother with it when they've already finished their work. The only thing that testimony would have accomplished would have been getting Trump to look bad on national television, and a potential perjury charge. Trump already has embarrassed himself in public in a massive way since then, and they have bigger crimes to recommend to the DOJ for prosecution.",
">\n\nThe moment they announced the subpoena everyone got a hard on that trump would have to talk. I said it then and I’ll say it again, trump will never have to face any punishment and he doesn’t have to comply to any law or rules. They’re all more suggestions instead of laws.",
">\n\nWhat a waste of fucking time",
">\n\nSo......this was a big fat waste of time and money?",
">\n\nI mean they made a criminal referral so, no? The committee wasn’t set up to solely investigate Dolt 45 and took the testimony of over a thousand people, why is it you believe withdrawing one subpoena because the committee is winding down renders the entire process a “waste of time and money.”",
">\n\nNo mention on CNN that they dropped the subpoena after a year of January 6 January 6 January 6 terrible news station",
">\n\nWell, it’s being run by a Republican so go figure",
">\n\nTalk about the wheels of justice turning slow. In this case reversing altogether. Well done.",
">\n\nI wish this surprised me.",
">\n\nLOL God this is so funny\nWhat the fuck did y'all expect if you have money you are above the law. It only applies to the poor and those who step on the toes of capital.",
">\n\nWhat a waste of money",
">\n\n...And a Happy New Year!",
">\n\nClassic",
">\n\nShocking",
">\n\nOur governing body are a bunch of cowards. The US is being safeguarded by self-interested Congresspersons who speak about accountability and act on cowardice.",
">\n\nLet's be honest he'll get away with everything with a slap on the wrist. This country won't prosecute a sitting or former president or high ranking politician, we've seen this over and over. The whole committee is sadly a publicity stunt to gain traction for Democrat's. I hope I'm completely wrong of course and that this country will start to feel like it's a democracy.",
">\n\nThe coup is in effect.",
">\n\nI have a sad feeling this committee is going to end up like a fart in the wind",
">\n\nYou’re not wrong",
">\n\nWtf are you talking about?",
">\n\nHands",
">\n\nWho are you talking to? Lmao"
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The subpoena, and associated contempt charges would be nothing when compared to the recommendations made by the committee to the DOJ. Whether or not the DOJ will act is all that matters at this point.
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"So far Trump's legal strategy of ignoring calls for accountability until Republicans in Congress can bail him out is workingly flawlessly.",
">\n\nThat doesn’t mean the DoJ can’t charge and prosecute. \nRight now everything is in response to republicans getting their slim majority in the house and lessen the damage they will do.\nThat said, they still have the mountain of evidence they did gather",
">\n\nWhat about when the AG/DOJ is a GOP appointee? You don’t think they’ll just put in a Bill Barr type on the entire thing?",
">\n\nNot while they have a democratic president and especially when the previous president lost them the midterms.\nThey were already planning on replacing trump with Desantes by equating the 2 (Martha’s Vineyard was part of that), they’re only gonna lose trying to put their party’s future on the line protect him further.\nThey gonna continue to spread doubt and try to discredit the investigations, but they’re barely holding onto a branch of government, they’re not stupid. Barr only worked because they held onto 2",
">\n\nUmmm that’s not what I meant. If a GOP candidate for President wins in 2024 , what are the actual legal implications. It’s not like it’s below them to interfere like they did with the collusion charges",
">\n\n\nThe House January 6 committee is withdrawing its subpoena of former President Donald Trump as it concludes its work.\n“In light of the imminent end of our investigation, the Select Committee can no longer pursue the specific information covered by the subpoena,” Chairman Bennie Thompson, a Mississippi Democrat, wrote in a letter to Trump’s attorney Wednesday obtained by CNN.\n“Therefore, through this letter, I hereby formally withdraw the subpoena issued to former President Trump, and notify you that he is no longer obligated to comply or produce records in response to said subpoena,” Thompson added.",
">\n\nConclusion: Former president Trump is above the law.",
">\n\nYeah kind of makes me sad. Trump can just ignore a subpoena, with zero consequences. \n“We believe you tried to overthrow the government. You are legally required to come talk to us about it.”\n“No thanks.”\n“Oh. Ok, never mind.”",
">\n\nNo consequences? He's has been referred to the DOJ for obstruction of a govt processing last week. They held a recorded vote.",
">\n\nThat’s not a consequence. It’s kicking the can. Trump will never, ever be held responsible for his role in destroying democracy in America.",
">\n\nThis is not TV or a movie. \"The wheels of justice grind slowly yet exceedingly fine\" is a saying for a reason. Federal investigations usually take years.",
">\n\nHe’s been investigated for years. No consequences. Just special appointments, investigations, and referrals. In the mean time, you know who DOES face consequences?\nAmerica.",
">\n\nYou are judging the end of the movie before it is over.\nThe previous investigations were being done while he had the shield of the presidency and an attorney general running obstruction for him. None of that is true now.",
">\n\nThe GOP will continue fighting on his behalf, because the majority are complicit in 45’s fuckery. Again, no consequences will be had. I’m willing to wager a gift card to your favorite local restaurant that he will live fat, rich, and free until at least the 2024/25 inauguration. Save this post.",
">\n\nWe'll see about that. I'll admit to the loss if thats the case.",
">\n\nMore proof that we the people have no rights in comparison to the billionaire ticks.",
">\n\nDude ain't no billionaire",
">\n\nNo, but his buddies are.",
">\n\nHis puppet masters maybe",
">\n\nI mean, who would have thought not starting the fight sooner would end like this?",
">\n\nDon’t worry. He’s got so many more coming.",
">\n\nThe idea that Trump will pay any price for his crimes is a fantasy.",
">\n\nIt’s actually happening. His company has been found guilty. His charity is closed. His cohorts are about to go to jail. His popularity sagging. Protection is gone. We just need the first indictment.",
">\n\nBut none is him",
">\n\nWell Trump Org is pretty much him but be patient.",
">\n\nDrops in the bucket. \nBeen patient for like 6 years now. How much more we gotta wait?",
">\n\nHe couldn’t be prosecuted while president. Watch GA and the special prosecutor. They’re moving fast.",
">\n\nCouldn't be?\nShould have been.",
">\n\nThat’s absolutely wild that any man is able to just straight up ignore a subpoena with zero consequences. Definition of “above the law”. If he gets away with this, he is going to be more dangerous than ever. You get away with leading a coup/insurrection, you’re going to assume you can get away with literally anything. \nMaybe trump was right… he really could shoot someone in the middle of 5th avenue and not lose any voters…and also probably not even get in trouble",
">\n\nSerious questions...so the committee pull the subpoena, but it's up to DOJ for any additional follow up, but when the new congress is in session they can tell DOJ to drop everything? Is that how's its going to go down? Because I thought DOJ is supposed to be independent once given the committee's findings?",
">\n\nThe DOJ is certainly independent of Congress. As for the committee - the only thing they would've done differently was vote on a criminal referral for contempt of Congress. Although there is some truth to congressional contempt needing to stem from congress, The DOJ has no obligation to act on a referral - it is more akin to a recommendation.\nWith that being said, the committee knew it wasn't going to serve any real benefit, so they decided not to.\n\nThe DOJ decided not to prosecute Meadows and Scavino for contempt due to their close ties to the executive. This pretty much ruled out any chance of it happening to Trump, a former President. \nEven a completely successful referral (Steve Bannon) showed how inconsequential Congressional subpoena power is. For one, it is a misdemeanor. It has been ~15 months since Bannon was referred, and he was found guilty and sentenced, and he is still a free man pending appeal. And even if upheld, it's only 4 months in prison as just shy of maximum sentencing guidelines. \nThe DOJ, if they prosecute, are aiming at much bigger crimes - notably Obstruction of an Official Proceeding, which carries up to 20 years. And they'd be potentially trying these crimes in the same jurisdiction.\n\nSo I'm sure the calculation was that it just wasn't worth throwing a referral at the DOJ for something they'd never follow up on, and wouldn't be much benefit if they did.",
">\n\nIn summary, he’s committed so many crimes that this one isn’t worth any effort",
">\n\nEssentially, yeah. The DOJ has two big chances to secure a conviction: Mar-A-Lago and Jan. 6 - and they will likely bring multiple charges in a D.C. court if they decide to prosecute. Mar-A-Lago will come first, which has virtually nothing to do with this committee's work.\nReferring a misdemeanor to tack onto 4 serious felonies they referred probably only risked muddying the larger offenses. Can't blame them honestly.",
">\n\nWhat is “Mar a Lago” in this context! The tax scheme? Classified documents?",
">\n\nThe classified documents",
">\n\nSmall point but they weren't all classified and don't need to be, for what he did to be illegal. Just trying to avoid republican framing.",
">\n\nHillary was not afraid to testify every time she was asked (and testified for hours and hours each time, answering all questions asked) and never took the 5th. Yet republicans act like she is the criminal when it always has been trump.",
">\n\nEven if she was wrong she was smarter than any of the R in the room. That woman was a machine during those hearings and gave them nothing to work with.",
">\n\nShe is definitely smarter than that barrel of monkeys who questioned her, but ultimately, there was nothing to get from her - the perfect opposite case of crimey benedict donald and his co-conspirators.",
">\n\nIt's interesting to see that people think this subpoena would have continued to exist past Jan 3, 2023 given that that's when ALL open subpoenas from the outgoing congress expire and become null and void. Even if the J6 committee continued to exist- they would be required to file a brand new one in the new session.",
">\n\nIt wouldn't be that hard to file a brand new subpoena, they have lawyers who work full-time for them. That isn't an obstacle.",
">\n\nExcept for the committee doesn't exist in the new Congress and they have no powers to do anything if they don't exist.",
">\n\nIt's easy to get the two confused a lot of times.",
">\n\nHow many of y'all actually thought he wasn't going to run out the clock? \nNothing will fundamentally change.",
">\n\nNobody. The “justice takes time” chorus that dominated the narrative was only here to quell social unrest so society didn’t take a dive while the rich mocked us from their golden pedestals.",
">\n\nSerious question: Why? So what if the Dems lose power in the Congress. Let the Republicans be the one to formally dismantle the committee and subpoena on record. Then when hopefully Trump is charged by the DOJ, dems have another talking point for 2024 that the Republicans hate law and order and protect mob bosses.",
">\n\nThe select committee expires at the end of the congressional session. So they do not need to question him because the committee will not exist.",
">\n\nBut what is the point of formally withdrawing the subpoena? What does it accomplish?",
">\n\nThe committee is over. They have issued the report, they are closing up shop. They are following the process. A secondary part of the committees job was to show how a REAL congressional hearing should be handled. None of that sloppy ass grandstanding they did for Benghazi",
">\n\nMy viewpoint is that Trump and the GOP are just going to use this as “proof” that he did nothing wrong. Remember how the Mueller report “exonerated” Trump? His base believes this shit wholeheartedly and I guarantee he will use this as “evidence” for his innocence.\nShowing how things SHOULD be handled instead of taking whatever measures needed to protect Americans lead to Jan 6th happening in the first place. We all know how things should be handled, how the rules should work, but one side is willing to do whatever they need to keep power and the other is getting walked over.\nIs taking the high road worth letting fascism into our government?",
">\n\nIt’s good to know that republicans are allowed to ignore subpoenas. That’s useful info for them. Don’t expect dems to get that treatment",
">\n\nThey dropped the ball in not issuing one a couple of months ago",
">\n\nActually the Democrats have done everything not to ever pick up the ball even once. They let trump appointed republicans appoint a republican special counsel to fall like a straw man to blatant obstruction in the Russia probe. They turned it into a fundraiser for campaigning. \nThis time they let liz Cheney take the reins, who was able to preserve her republican prerogatives throughout this entire ordeal. \nThe fact is that you're all being cucked by forces of controlled opposition and I'm apparently the only one in the world who can't be so easily mitigated.\nI can't depend on any of you anymore than you can depend on yourselves.",
">\n\nYou lost all credibility at the end when you said cuck and act like you’re the smartest person in the world. Be gone!",
">\n\nYeah, I don't know how anyone can be expected to be taken seriously using that whole sentence unironically.",
">\n\nI don't expect to be taken seriously whether I say it or not, yet the facts remain as I've described.",
">\n\nI didn’t see that coming, said absolutely no one.",
">\n\nWhy.",
">\n\nHUGE mistake. The committee will be dissolved by the GOPers in a couple weeks, and all this did was to give the Marmalade Moses another fake victory to rile up his lemmings.",
">\n\nIt’s funny because I say the same thing every time about trump never getting charged and I always get shit about it like BUT NO THIS TIME IS DIFFERENT. \nLmao right. Sure it is.",
">\n\nFucking same. This is just more “ammo” for his orange, shit spewing mouth.",
">\n\nThis guy is still getting more media coverage than the current potus two years into his term. Crazy.",
">\n\nIt does blow that he wasn't forced to comply with the subpoena but for people thinking what a bummer this seems like, the house is switching to a republican majority in like a week so it didn't make a whole lot of sense to leave an active subpoena on record knowing it would never be resolved. They likely knew he wasn't going to comply when it was issued only now its offical that it was officially issued, ignored by trump, and terminated. Who knows if the DOJ will eventually file but everyone pretty much already knew that little temper tantrum trump wasn't going to aid in his own house sedition investigation.",
">\n\nIf we restrict ourselves to the issue of compliance with a subpoena from this committee, then the recent election clearly mooted every aspect of penalties or consequences related to ignoring the subpoena.\nIt's like a big brother was called over and little bro wanted him to force his adversary to bow and kiss the ground. But by the time big bro finally wanders over, the kid goes \"nah... we're good.\"\nA lot of folk like to believe contempt of court or contempt of congress is like any other crime where you do the deed and have to face the punishment. But, in general, these things do not work like crimes. Even where contempt has been codified such that there is a criminal contempt aspect, the goal remains to seek or to force compliance. This leads to \"punishments\" which are better or worse depending on how you view things. A simple view is that you could be \"sentenced\" to indefinite incarceration because it's a \"jailed until compliance\" thing.\nIn this case, Congress has been very, very reticent to try to use their inherent power to jail someone. So the most they ever do these days is refer the case to the DoJ to pursue criminal contempt of congress.\nAll in all, is this a \"good\" thing? Maybe it's not as bad as we feel it to be. Imagine any sort of argument where someone demands you do something. You retort \"are you sure?\" Bystanders urge folk cool down and think about it. Map that into the way Congress changes every two years and you get a sense that unless something is important enough that it remains after the public alters the composition of the legislative branch, maybe it's not all that important (to the public) after all.\nOn the other hand, why would anyone fear Congress when they demonstrate time and again there never really are any consequences for refusal to comply with subpoenas? But... do we want to quake in fear whenever some nutjob party gains control and enacts something as dire as the Committee on Unamerican Activities?",
">\n\nWhat is the advantage of dropping the subpoena, as opposed to just letting it expire/letting the new congress withdraw it? Why go on record saying he no longer has to come in? I get that he was never going to show, I’m just curious why this is better than the alternative.",
">\n\nI’m wondering this too. There has to be a good reason.",
">\n\n?? Why, like it had no power, but still why? This looks like weakness",
">\n\nThe subpoena expires when the new congress is sworn in on Jan 3rd. There was no practical way to enforce it.",
">\n\nWhy not just let it expire?\nNow Republicans have a talking point that the January 6th Committee withdrew their subpoena.\nThey'll use it to muddy the waters and spread more misinformation.",
">\n\nThey already had their talking points. They've had them the whole time. They already released a \"counter report\" to the J6 committee. The committee withdrew it because they are closing up shop. The report is out. Where would Donnie's answers go?",
">\n\nWhy was he not charged with contempt for no show? Once again, he gets let off for bad behaviour",
">\n\nBecause they referred him for 4 much more serious crimes with longer sentences. Referring him for this is essentially pointless.",
">\n\nYes, but i see it as another nail in the coffin, and also sends a message that subpoenas are not to be ignored",
">\n\nImagine if you or I tried to just ignore a subpoena.",
">\n\nIt’s OK if you’re a Republican, as the war criminal’s daughter who voted in line with Trump’s policies during her House tenure can attest.",
">\n\nAnother instance of unequal justice under the law, imo. If you or I disregarded a subpoena from Congress we'd be going to jail...like Steve Bannon.",
">\n\nDrag it out, do nothing, repeat. Glad the J6 group produced a ton of info and exposed a lot of the bs but what's the point of nothing really happens? Media circus? I'm so tired.",
">\n\nGreat precedent. It's good to know if I'm ever subpoenaed by congress I can just ignore it.",
">\n\nJ6 knew he'd puss out and just wanted to get it on the record. And for the same reason they haven't gone after Meadows for ignoring his subpoena, are all of the other serious crimes hanging over him and the orange Traitor in Chief, especially now, the subpoenas aren't worth the time and effort.",
">\n\n\nAnd for the same reason they haven't gone after Meadows for ignoring his subpoena\n\nTo be fair... the House voted him in criminal contempt and sent the referral to that to the DoJ. There wasn't really anything they could do beyond that with respect to his subpoena (yes, inherent contempt in theory exists, in practice it would have been useless for multiple reasons).\nMeadows is also included in the big criminal referrals the committee issued as part of their report as well.",
">\n\nAs usual, this country’s justice system is a joke",
">\n\nThis was a subpoena issued by the congress, not DOJ. He would be arrested if this was subpoena by DOJ and he didn’t show.",
">\n\nLike I said lol this country’s justice system is a joke",
">\n\nBut the justice system has not been involved yet!!! Congressional hearing is not an example of the justice system. The congress has referred the case to the DOJ or “the justice system” as a result of their hearing. DOJ will pursue a criminal investigation and pursue charges. \nJudiciary (justice system as you call it), congress, and executive branches are constitutionally separate and independent to ensure checks and balances.\nJustice system in the US is not ideal, but this specific instance is not an example of these inefficiencies. This is an example of how the congress has been ineffective in doing their legislative actions. In this instance the correct statement would be “Legislative system in this country is a joke.” Justice system has not had a chance to show its incompetence yet. That will be next.",
">\n\nNaive of you to think this is anything more than a show they’re putting on. Nothing will come of it, democrats are by nature pussies let’s be real. None have any teeth or claws. The right is full of a bunch of tribalistic monkeys, party is apparently more important than country. I guess I can rephrase, besides making money and being the best business in the world, America is a joke.",
">\n\n\"OMG. I'm so outraged by this even though I have no idea why.\"\nIt'd be nice if you guys learned the difference between the subpoena and the criminal referral. trump was never going to show up for the subpoena especially since the GOP is about to take control. It's a completely moot point.",
">\n\nExactly. The committee already referred him to the DoJ on criminal charges. Everyone is acting like they're just taking their ball and going home. They already went well and beyond a mere subpoena here, and one of the charges that they're recommending is obstruction already.",
">\n\nAren’t subpoenas mandatory with consequences? Either you show up or go to jail. Trump did neither.",
">\n\nNot if you are rich. Laws are you only for the the lower 90%",
">\n\nThis is such bullshit.",
">\n\nAnother precedent set for rich criminals to not comply. If we citizens didn’t show we’d be at a black site with electrodes on our genitals.",
">\n\nThey should have charged Trump with contempt of Congress.",
">\n\nSo whens the next uprising on behalf of rich people? Just be sure you're actually a political player because if you're just a worker you'll be charged. Chess has really changed over the past hundred years.",
">\n\nTotally expected. \nTrump, the really TV star, said he'd only agree to answer the subpoena if it were live & televised. It's quite obvious the reason is that he'd ignore the questioning & use the free air time to spew his BS, much like in the Presidential debates. \nAnd I'm sure the incoming Republican House would have loved to have given him the opportunity",
">\n\nyeah kinda moot at this point , they already made those criminal referrals anyways lol i wish they would have perused charging him for not showing up however but maybe they figured in light of everything they should focus on the key issues and at this point whatever he had to say really doesnt matter anyways as he would just lie. his testimony would pretty much be useless. its still a shame we didnt get to see it just for historys sake lol",
">\n\nAl trump would do is take the 5th like any other ordinary criminal",
">\n\nSo far as things have gone, will it now be ok for Democrats to ignore all the subpoenas that this next R House is going to send around? I’d think so….",
">\n\nOur government has failed us.... Good luck everyone.",
">\n\nAh yes the criminal Justice system, quite possibly the longest running joke in America",
">\n\n& you just know the cheeto will say something like, ha!, they dropped the subpoena cause they knew I am innocent, or some 💩 like that",
">\n\nNo surprise there. Trump is above the law, as he has proven time and again, over and over throughout the last several years. \nI will be surprised if anything comes out of this investigation, at all. \nI will be surprised if the next republican president isn't worse than Trump. \nI mean seriously, how do they convict him of anything if they can't even call him for questioning. Ever heard of anyone, ever, to get convicted of a crime that didn't have to talk to investigators at some point? \nFuck America. Fuck Trump. And fuck the pussy ass people who refuse to do their fucking job.",
">\n\nThey dropped it because it wasn't necessary and would have given him a national platform needlessly. DOJ will pass to the special council which will bring formal charges, if any will be brought.",
">\n\nThis is actually heartbreaking. Seen a lot of politicians and people of note show time and time again that the rules for EVERY CITIZEN don’t apply to them and this stings just a little more",
">\n\nMy theory that he is blackmailing everyone from the White House down with Area 51 malarky is still holding water...",
">\n\nLet us all start committing crimes and see how that goes, this is bs",
">\n\nSuch bs. I knew he would sleeze his way out of any consequences for his actions. This will only embolden him & his lunatic followers. He incites a riot that kills people & gets away with it. If any of us incited a riot, we would still be in jail & if people died during the riot, we would be charged with murder as well. So sick & tired of the double standard when it comes to a president who breaks the law & walks away, just like nixon did.",
">\n\nshould not have dropped\nshould have referred it to doj for contempt of congress...\nwhite rich continue to get a pass for what the rest of us would have long ago been prosecuted and imprisoned...",
">\n\nThey already referred him to DOJ for obstruction of a govt proceeding last week. What are you talking about?",
">\n\nYeah, because why would you want to subpoena the guy who was completely responsible for the entire thing?\nThe Chuck Schumer neoliberals have engineered this to completely let Trump get away with it - because they think the Republicans are still their friends and they don't want to piss them off!",
">\n\nThey subpoenaed trump months ago. He declined to show. Since, investigation is over, they dropped it. This is not even really news worthy.",
">\n\nHalf the people in this thread have no idea what they're talking about and are confusing the subpoena with the criminal referral.",
">\n\nOh, is that what's going on? Lol. I was wondering why ppl are making a big deal about this. This is just the committee cleaning up loose ends.",
">\n\nIt's a big deal if someone who's now a private citizen, can do wtf he wants and ignore a Congressional subpoena.",
">\n\nIt takes votes by congress to hold in contempt. They didn't need trump's testimony. He would just show up and repeat I plead the 5th anyway. Pence ignored his, too. It's pointless to hold them in contempt and get off focus of actual investigation.",
">\n\nYou're proving my point. Congressional Democrats should have enforced the subpoena and made Trump plead the 5th to every question. Imagine if Pence also appeared and pled the 5th to every question. That is political magic for the Democrats, it makes them look guilty as hell.\nTrump committed a crime, and this is America. It should be the same as if I committed a crime. We would get arrested, taken to jail until the morning, see a judge and face our charges, and then either get released on OR, held for trial, or bail set. It's not much of a democracy if laws are not enforced against powerful people.",
">\n\nOnce you all realize this is just a game and you’re the pawn things will make a lot more sense.",
">\n\nNow hear him cry about never getting a chance to testify when he’s charged.",
">\n\nI see this less as a “you’re excused” and more of a “see you in court”",
">\n\nNo need to bother with it when they've already finished their work. The only thing that testimony would have accomplished would have been getting Trump to look bad on national television, and a potential perjury charge. Trump already has embarrassed himself in public in a massive way since then, and they have bigger crimes to recommend to the DOJ for prosecution.",
">\n\nThe moment they announced the subpoena everyone got a hard on that trump would have to talk. I said it then and I’ll say it again, trump will never have to face any punishment and he doesn’t have to comply to any law or rules. They’re all more suggestions instead of laws.",
">\n\nWhat a waste of fucking time",
">\n\nSo......this was a big fat waste of time and money?",
">\n\nI mean they made a criminal referral so, no? The committee wasn’t set up to solely investigate Dolt 45 and took the testimony of over a thousand people, why is it you believe withdrawing one subpoena because the committee is winding down renders the entire process a “waste of time and money.”",
">\n\nNo mention on CNN that they dropped the subpoena after a year of January 6 January 6 January 6 terrible news station",
">\n\nWell, it’s being run by a Republican so go figure",
">\n\nTalk about the wheels of justice turning slow. In this case reversing altogether. Well done.",
">\n\nI wish this surprised me.",
">\n\nLOL God this is so funny\nWhat the fuck did y'all expect if you have money you are above the law. It only applies to the poor and those who step on the toes of capital.",
">\n\nWhat a waste of money",
">\n\n...And a Happy New Year!",
">\n\nClassic",
">\n\nShocking",
">\n\nOur governing body are a bunch of cowards. The US is being safeguarded by self-interested Congresspersons who speak about accountability and act on cowardice.",
">\n\nLet's be honest he'll get away with everything with a slap on the wrist. This country won't prosecute a sitting or former president or high ranking politician, we've seen this over and over. The whole committee is sadly a publicity stunt to gain traction for Democrat's. I hope I'm completely wrong of course and that this country will start to feel like it's a democracy.",
">\n\nThe coup is in effect.",
">\n\nI have a sad feeling this committee is going to end up like a fart in the wind",
">\n\nYou’re not wrong",
">\n\nWtf are you talking about?",
">\n\nHands",
">\n\nWho are you talking to? Lmao",
">\n\nWent out with a whimper. The most Democrat thing ever.\nWish the Dems would learn how to take the gloves off, at least they would have a shot against an opponent that has no problems filling their gloves with lead shot. Then bragging about it."
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"So far Trump's legal strategy of ignoring calls for accountability until Republicans in Congress can bail him out is workingly flawlessly.",
">\n\nThat doesn’t mean the DoJ can’t charge and prosecute. \nRight now everything is in response to republicans getting their slim majority in the house and lessen the damage they will do.\nThat said, they still have the mountain of evidence they did gather",
">\n\nWhat about when the AG/DOJ is a GOP appointee? You don’t think they’ll just put in a Bill Barr type on the entire thing?",
">\n\nNot while they have a democratic president and especially when the previous president lost them the midterms.\nThey were already planning on replacing trump with Desantes by equating the 2 (Martha’s Vineyard was part of that), they’re only gonna lose trying to put their party’s future on the line protect him further.\nThey gonna continue to spread doubt and try to discredit the investigations, but they’re barely holding onto a branch of government, they’re not stupid. Barr only worked because they held onto 2",
">\n\nUmmm that’s not what I meant. If a GOP candidate for President wins in 2024 , what are the actual legal implications. It’s not like it’s below them to interfere like they did with the collusion charges",
">\n\n\nThe House January 6 committee is withdrawing its subpoena of former President Donald Trump as it concludes its work.\n“In light of the imminent end of our investigation, the Select Committee can no longer pursue the specific information covered by the subpoena,” Chairman Bennie Thompson, a Mississippi Democrat, wrote in a letter to Trump’s attorney Wednesday obtained by CNN.\n“Therefore, through this letter, I hereby formally withdraw the subpoena issued to former President Trump, and notify you that he is no longer obligated to comply or produce records in response to said subpoena,” Thompson added.",
">\n\nConclusion: Former president Trump is above the law.",
">\n\nYeah kind of makes me sad. Trump can just ignore a subpoena, with zero consequences. \n“We believe you tried to overthrow the government. You are legally required to come talk to us about it.”\n“No thanks.”\n“Oh. Ok, never mind.”",
">\n\nNo consequences? He's has been referred to the DOJ for obstruction of a govt processing last week. They held a recorded vote.",
">\n\nThat’s not a consequence. It’s kicking the can. Trump will never, ever be held responsible for his role in destroying democracy in America.",
">\n\nThis is not TV or a movie. \"The wheels of justice grind slowly yet exceedingly fine\" is a saying for a reason. Federal investigations usually take years.",
">\n\nHe’s been investigated for years. No consequences. Just special appointments, investigations, and referrals. In the mean time, you know who DOES face consequences?\nAmerica.",
">\n\nYou are judging the end of the movie before it is over.\nThe previous investigations were being done while he had the shield of the presidency and an attorney general running obstruction for him. None of that is true now.",
">\n\nThe GOP will continue fighting on his behalf, because the majority are complicit in 45’s fuckery. Again, no consequences will be had. I’m willing to wager a gift card to your favorite local restaurant that he will live fat, rich, and free until at least the 2024/25 inauguration. Save this post.",
">\n\nWe'll see about that. I'll admit to the loss if thats the case.",
">\n\nMore proof that we the people have no rights in comparison to the billionaire ticks.",
">\n\nDude ain't no billionaire",
">\n\nNo, but his buddies are.",
">\n\nHis puppet masters maybe",
">\n\nI mean, who would have thought not starting the fight sooner would end like this?",
">\n\nDon’t worry. He’s got so many more coming.",
">\n\nThe idea that Trump will pay any price for his crimes is a fantasy.",
">\n\nIt’s actually happening. His company has been found guilty. His charity is closed. His cohorts are about to go to jail. His popularity sagging. Protection is gone. We just need the first indictment.",
">\n\nBut none is him",
">\n\nWell Trump Org is pretty much him but be patient.",
">\n\nDrops in the bucket. \nBeen patient for like 6 years now. How much more we gotta wait?",
">\n\nHe couldn’t be prosecuted while president. Watch GA and the special prosecutor. They’re moving fast.",
">\n\nCouldn't be?\nShould have been.",
">\n\nThat’s absolutely wild that any man is able to just straight up ignore a subpoena with zero consequences. Definition of “above the law”. If he gets away with this, he is going to be more dangerous than ever. You get away with leading a coup/insurrection, you’re going to assume you can get away with literally anything. \nMaybe trump was right… he really could shoot someone in the middle of 5th avenue and not lose any voters…and also probably not even get in trouble",
">\n\nSerious questions...so the committee pull the subpoena, but it's up to DOJ for any additional follow up, but when the new congress is in session they can tell DOJ to drop everything? Is that how's its going to go down? Because I thought DOJ is supposed to be independent once given the committee's findings?",
">\n\nThe DOJ is certainly independent of Congress. As for the committee - the only thing they would've done differently was vote on a criminal referral for contempt of Congress. Although there is some truth to congressional contempt needing to stem from congress, The DOJ has no obligation to act on a referral - it is more akin to a recommendation.\nWith that being said, the committee knew it wasn't going to serve any real benefit, so they decided not to.\n\nThe DOJ decided not to prosecute Meadows and Scavino for contempt due to their close ties to the executive. This pretty much ruled out any chance of it happening to Trump, a former President. \nEven a completely successful referral (Steve Bannon) showed how inconsequential Congressional subpoena power is. For one, it is a misdemeanor. It has been ~15 months since Bannon was referred, and he was found guilty and sentenced, and he is still a free man pending appeal. And even if upheld, it's only 4 months in prison as just shy of maximum sentencing guidelines. \nThe DOJ, if they prosecute, are aiming at much bigger crimes - notably Obstruction of an Official Proceeding, which carries up to 20 years. And they'd be potentially trying these crimes in the same jurisdiction.\n\nSo I'm sure the calculation was that it just wasn't worth throwing a referral at the DOJ for something they'd never follow up on, and wouldn't be much benefit if they did.",
">\n\nIn summary, he’s committed so many crimes that this one isn’t worth any effort",
">\n\nEssentially, yeah. The DOJ has two big chances to secure a conviction: Mar-A-Lago and Jan. 6 - and they will likely bring multiple charges in a D.C. court if they decide to prosecute. Mar-A-Lago will come first, which has virtually nothing to do with this committee's work.\nReferring a misdemeanor to tack onto 4 serious felonies they referred probably only risked muddying the larger offenses. Can't blame them honestly.",
">\n\nWhat is “Mar a Lago” in this context! The tax scheme? Classified documents?",
">\n\nThe classified documents",
">\n\nSmall point but they weren't all classified and don't need to be, for what he did to be illegal. Just trying to avoid republican framing.",
">\n\nHillary was not afraid to testify every time she was asked (and testified for hours and hours each time, answering all questions asked) and never took the 5th. Yet republicans act like she is the criminal when it always has been trump.",
">\n\nEven if she was wrong she was smarter than any of the R in the room. That woman was a machine during those hearings and gave them nothing to work with.",
">\n\nShe is definitely smarter than that barrel of monkeys who questioned her, but ultimately, there was nothing to get from her - the perfect opposite case of crimey benedict donald and his co-conspirators.",
">\n\nIt's interesting to see that people think this subpoena would have continued to exist past Jan 3, 2023 given that that's when ALL open subpoenas from the outgoing congress expire and become null and void. Even if the J6 committee continued to exist- they would be required to file a brand new one in the new session.",
">\n\nIt wouldn't be that hard to file a brand new subpoena, they have lawyers who work full-time for them. That isn't an obstacle.",
">\n\nExcept for the committee doesn't exist in the new Congress and they have no powers to do anything if they don't exist.",
">\n\nIt's easy to get the two confused a lot of times.",
">\n\nHow many of y'all actually thought he wasn't going to run out the clock? \nNothing will fundamentally change.",
">\n\nNobody. The “justice takes time” chorus that dominated the narrative was only here to quell social unrest so society didn’t take a dive while the rich mocked us from their golden pedestals.",
">\n\nSerious question: Why? So what if the Dems lose power in the Congress. Let the Republicans be the one to formally dismantle the committee and subpoena on record. Then when hopefully Trump is charged by the DOJ, dems have another talking point for 2024 that the Republicans hate law and order and protect mob bosses.",
">\n\nThe select committee expires at the end of the congressional session. So they do not need to question him because the committee will not exist.",
">\n\nBut what is the point of formally withdrawing the subpoena? What does it accomplish?",
">\n\nThe committee is over. They have issued the report, they are closing up shop. They are following the process. A secondary part of the committees job was to show how a REAL congressional hearing should be handled. None of that sloppy ass grandstanding they did for Benghazi",
">\n\nMy viewpoint is that Trump and the GOP are just going to use this as “proof” that he did nothing wrong. Remember how the Mueller report “exonerated” Trump? His base believes this shit wholeheartedly and I guarantee he will use this as “evidence” for his innocence.\nShowing how things SHOULD be handled instead of taking whatever measures needed to protect Americans lead to Jan 6th happening in the first place. We all know how things should be handled, how the rules should work, but one side is willing to do whatever they need to keep power and the other is getting walked over.\nIs taking the high road worth letting fascism into our government?",
">\n\nIt’s good to know that republicans are allowed to ignore subpoenas. That’s useful info for them. Don’t expect dems to get that treatment",
">\n\nThey dropped the ball in not issuing one a couple of months ago",
">\n\nActually the Democrats have done everything not to ever pick up the ball even once. They let trump appointed republicans appoint a republican special counsel to fall like a straw man to blatant obstruction in the Russia probe. They turned it into a fundraiser for campaigning. \nThis time they let liz Cheney take the reins, who was able to preserve her republican prerogatives throughout this entire ordeal. \nThe fact is that you're all being cucked by forces of controlled opposition and I'm apparently the only one in the world who can't be so easily mitigated.\nI can't depend on any of you anymore than you can depend on yourselves.",
">\n\nYou lost all credibility at the end when you said cuck and act like you’re the smartest person in the world. Be gone!",
">\n\nYeah, I don't know how anyone can be expected to be taken seriously using that whole sentence unironically.",
">\n\nI don't expect to be taken seriously whether I say it or not, yet the facts remain as I've described.",
">\n\nI didn’t see that coming, said absolutely no one.",
">\n\nWhy.",
">\n\nHUGE mistake. The committee will be dissolved by the GOPers in a couple weeks, and all this did was to give the Marmalade Moses another fake victory to rile up his lemmings.",
">\n\nIt’s funny because I say the same thing every time about trump never getting charged and I always get shit about it like BUT NO THIS TIME IS DIFFERENT. \nLmao right. Sure it is.",
">\n\nFucking same. This is just more “ammo” for his orange, shit spewing mouth.",
">\n\nThis guy is still getting more media coverage than the current potus two years into his term. Crazy.",
">\n\nIt does blow that he wasn't forced to comply with the subpoena but for people thinking what a bummer this seems like, the house is switching to a republican majority in like a week so it didn't make a whole lot of sense to leave an active subpoena on record knowing it would never be resolved. They likely knew he wasn't going to comply when it was issued only now its offical that it was officially issued, ignored by trump, and terminated. Who knows if the DOJ will eventually file but everyone pretty much already knew that little temper tantrum trump wasn't going to aid in his own house sedition investigation.",
">\n\nIf we restrict ourselves to the issue of compliance with a subpoena from this committee, then the recent election clearly mooted every aspect of penalties or consequences related to ignoring the subpoena.\nIt's like a big brother was called over and little bro wanted him to force his adversary to bow and kiss the ground. But by the time big bro finally wanders over, the kid goes \"nah... we're good.\"\nA lot of folk like to believe contempt of court or contempt of congress is like any other crime where you do the deed and have to face the punishment. But, in general, these things do not work like crimes. Even where contempt has been codified such that there is a criminal contempt aspect, the goal remains to seek or to force compliance. This leads to \"punishments\" which are better or worse depending on how you view things. A simple view is that you could be \"sentenced\" to indefinite incarceration because it's a \"jailed until compliance\" thing.\nIn this case, Congress has been very, very reticent to try to use their inherent power to jail someone. So the most they ever do these days is refer the case to the DoJ to pursue criminal contempt of congress.\nAll in all, is this a \"good\" thing? Maybe it's not as bad as we feel it to be. Imagine any sort of argument where someone demands you do something. You retort \"are you sure?\" Bystanders urge folk cool down and think about it. Map that into the way Congress changes every two years and you get a sense that unless something is important enough that it remains after the public alters the composition of the legislative branch, maybe it's not all that important (to the public) after all.\nOn the other hand, why would anyone fear Congress when they demonstrate time and again there never really are any consequences for refusal to comply with subpoenas? But... do we want to quake in fear whenever some nutjob party gains control and enacts something as dire as the Committee on Unamerican Activities?",
">\n\nWhat is the advantage of dropping the subpoena, as opposed to just letting it expire/letting the new congress withdraw it? Why go on record saying he no longer has to come in? I get that he was never going to show, I’m just curious why this is better than the alternative.",
">\n\nI’m wondering this too. There has to be a good reason.",
">\n\n?? Why, like it had no power, but still why? This looks like weakness",
">\n\nThe subpoena expires when the new congress is sworn in on Jan 3rd. There was no practical way to enforce it.",
">\n\nWhy not just let it expire?\nNow Republicans have a talking point that the January 6th Committee withdrew their subpoena.\nThey'll use it to muddy the waters and spread more misinformation.",
">\n\nThey already had their talking points. They've had them the whole time. They already released a \"counter report\" to the J6 committee. The committee withdrew it because they are closing up shop. The report is out. Where would Donnie's answers go?",
">\n\nWhy was he not charged with contempt for no show? Once again, he gets let off for bad behaviour",
">\n\nBecause they referred him for 4 much more serious crimes with longer sentences. Referring him for this is essentially pointless.",
">\n\nYes, but i see it as another nail in the coffin, and also sends a message that subpoenas are not to be ignored",
">\n\nImagine if you or I tried to just ignore a subpoena.",
">\n\nIt’s OK if you’re a Republican, as the war criminal’s daughter who voted in line with Trump’s policies during her House tenure can attest.",
">\n\nAnother instance of unequal justice under the law, imo. If you or I disregarded a subpoena from Congress we'd be going to jail...like Steve Bannon.",
">\n\nDrag it out, do nothing, repeat. Glad the J6 group produced a ton of info and exposed a lot of the bs but what's the point of nothing really happens? Media circus? I'm so tired.",
">\n\nGreat precedent. It's good to know if I'm ever subpoenaed by congress I can just ignore it.",
">\n\nJ6 knew he'd puss out and just wanted to get it on the record. And for the same reason they haven't gone after Meadows for ignoring his subpoena, are all of the other serious crimes hanging over him and the orange Traitor in Chief, especially now, the subpoenas aren't worth the time and effort.",
">\n\n\nAnd for the same reason they haven't gone after Meadows for ignoring his subpoena\n\nTo be fair... the House voted him in criminal contempt and sent the referral to that to the DoJ. There wasn't really anything they could do beyond that with respect to his subpoena (yes, inherent contempt in theory exists, in practice it would have been useless for multiple reasons).\nMeadows is also included in the big criminal referrals the committee issued as part of their report as well.",
">\n\nAs usual, this country’s justice system is a joke",
">\n\nThis was a subpoena issued by the congress, not DOJ. He would be arrested if this was subpoena by DOJ and he didn’t show.",
">\n\nLike I said lol this country’s justice system is a joke",
">\n\nBut the justice system has not been involved yet!!! Congressional hearing is not an example of the justice system. The congress has referred the case to the DOJ or “the justice system” as a result of their hearing. DOJ will pursue a criminal investigation and pursue charges. \nJudiciary (justice system as you call it), congress, and executive branches are constitutionally separate and independent to ensure checks and balances.\nJustice system in the US is not ideal, but this specific instance is not an example of these inefficiencies. This is an example of how the congress has been ineffective in doing their legislative actions. In this instance the correct statement would be “Legislative system in this country is a joke.” Justice system has not had a chance to show its incompetence yet. That will be next.",
">\n\nNaive of you to think this is anything more than a show they’re putting on. Nothing will come of it, democrats are by nature pussies let’s be real. None have any teeth or claws. The right is full of a bunch of tribalistic monkeys, party is apparently more important than country. I guess I can rephrase, besides making money and being the best business in the world, America is a joke.",
">\n\n\"OMG. I'm so outraged by this even though I have no idea why.\"\nIt'd be nice if you guys learned the difference between the subpoena and the criminal referral. trump was never going to show up for the subpoena especially since the GOP is about to take control. It's a completely moot point.",
">\n\nExactly. The committee already referred him to the DoJ on criminal charges. Everyone is acting like they're just taking their ball and going home. They already went well and beyond a mere subpoena here, and one of the charges that they're recommending is obstruction already.",
">\n\nAren’t subpoenas mandatory with consequences? Either you show up or go to jail. Trump did neither.",
">\n\nNot if you are rich. Laws are you only for the the lower 90%",
">\n\nThis is such bullshit.",
">\n\nAnother precedent set for rich criminals to not comply. If we citizens didn’t show we’d be at a black site with electrodes on our genitals.",
">\n\nThey should have charged Trump with contempt of Congress.",
">\n\nSo whens the next uprising on behalf of rich people? Just be sure you're actually a political player because if you're just a worker you'll be charged. Chess has really changed over the past hundred years.",
">\n\nTotally expected. \nTrump, the really TV star, said he'd only agree to answer the subpoena if it were live & televised. It's quite obvious the reason is that he'd ignore the questioning & use the free air time to spew his BS, much like in the Presidential debates. \nAnd I'm sure the incoming Republican House would have loved to have given him the opportunity",
">\n\nyeah kinda moot at this point , they already made those criminal referrals anyways lol i wish they would have perused charging him for not showing up however but maybe they figured in light of everything they should focus on the key issues and at this point whatever he had to say really doesnt matter anyways as he would just lie. his testimony would pretty much be useless. its still a shame we didnt get to see it just for historys sake lol",
">\n\nAl trump would do is take the 5th like any other ordinary criminal",
">\n\nSo far as things have gone, will it now be ok for Democrats to ignore all the subpoenas that this next R House is going to send around? I’d think so….",
">\n\nOur government has failed us.... Good luck everyone.",
">\n\nAh yes the criminal Justice system, quite possibly the longest running joke in America",
">\n\n& you just know the cheeto will say something like, ha!, they dropped the subpoena cause they knew I am innocent, or some 💩 like that",
">\n\nNo surprise there. Trump is above the law, as he has proven time and again, over and over throughout the last several years. \nI will be surprised if anything comes out of this investigation, at all. \nI will be surprised if the next republican president isn't worse than Trump. \nI mean seriously, how do they convict him of anything if they can't even call him for questioning. Ever heard of anyone, ever, to get convicted of a crime that didn't have to talk to investigators at some point? \nFuck America. Fuck Trump. And fuck the pussy ass people who refuse to do their fucking job.",
">\n\nThey dropped it because it wasn't necessary and would have given him a national platform needlessly. DOJ will pass to the special council which will bring formal charges, if any will be brought.",
">\n\nThis is actually heartbreaking. Seen a lot of politicians and people of note show time and time again that the rules for EVERY CITIZEN don’t apply to them and this stings just a little more",
">\n\nMy theory that he is blackmailing everyone from the White House down with Area 51 malarky is still holding water...",
">\n\nLet us all start committing crimes and see how that goes, this is bs",
">\n\nSuch bs. I knew he would sleeze his way out of any consequences for his actions. This will only embolden him & his lunatic followers. He incites a riot that kills people & gets away with it. If any of us incited a riot, we would still be in jail & if people died during the riot, we would be charged with murder as well. So sick & tired of the double standard when it comes to a president who breaks the law & walks away, just like nixon did.",
">\n\nshould not have dropped\nshould have referred it to doj for contempt of congress...\nwhite rich continue to get a pass for what the rest of us would have long ago been prosecuted and imprisoned...",
">\n\nThey already referred him to DOJ for obstruction of a govt proceeding last week. What are you talking about?",
">\n\nYeah, because why would you want to subpoena the guy who was completely responsible for the entire thing?\nThe Chuck Schumer neoliberals have engineered this to completely let Trump get away with it - because they think the Republicans are still their friends and they don't want to piss them off!",
">\n\nThey subpoenaed trump months ago. He declined to show. Since, investigation is over, they dropped it. This is not even really news worthy.",
">\n\nHalf the people in this thread have no idea what they're talking about and are confusing the subpoena with the criminal referral.",
">\n\nOh, is that what's going on? Lol. I was wondering why ppl are making a big deal about this. This is just the committee cleaning up loose ends.",
">\n\nIt's a big deal if someone who's now a private citizen, can do wtf he wants and ignore a Congressional subpoena.",
">\n\nIt takes votes by congress to hold in contempt. They didn't need trump's testimony. He would just show up and repeat I plead the 5th anyway. Pence ignored his, too. It's pointless to hold them in contempt and get off focus of actual investigation.",
">\n\nYou're proving my point. Congressional Democrats should have enforced the subpoena and made Trump plead the 5th to every question. Imagine if Pence also appeared and pled the 5th to every question. That is political magic for the Democrats, it makes them look guilty as hell.\nTrump committed a crime, and this is America. It should be the same as if I committed a crime. We would get arrested, taken to jail until the morning, see a judge and face our charges, and then either get released on OR, held for trial, or bail set. It's not much of a democracy if laws are not enforced against powerful people.",
">\n\nOnce you all realize this is just a game and you’re the pawn things will make a lot more sense.",
">\n\nNow hear him cry about never getting a chance to testify when he’s charged.",
">\n\nI see this less as a “you’re excused” and more of a “see you in court”",
">\n\nNo need to bother with it when they've already finished their work. The only thing that testimony would have accomplished would have been getting Trump to look bad on national television, and a potential perjury charge. Trump already has embarrassed himself in public in a massive way since then, and they have bigger crimes to recommend to the DOJ for prosecution.",
">\n\nThe moment they announced the subpoena everyone got a hard on that trump would have to talk. I said it then and I’ll say it again, trump will never have to face any punishment and he doesn’t have to comply to any law or rules. They’re all more suggestions instead of laws.",
">\n\nWhat a waste of fucking time",
">\n\nSo......this was a big fat waste of time and money?",
">\n\nI mean they made a criminal referral so, no? The committee wasn’t set up to solely investigate Dolt 45 and took the testimony of over a thousand people, why is it you believe withdrawing one subpoena because the committee is winding down renders the entire process a “waste of time and money.”",
">\n\nNo mention on CNN that they dropped the subpoena after a year of January 6 January 6 January 6 terrible news station",
">\n\nWell, it’s being run by a Republican so go figure",
">\n\nTalk about the wheels of justice turning slow. In this case reversing altogether. Well done.",
">\n\nI wish this surprised me.",
">\n\nLOL God this is so funny\nWhat the fuck did y'all expect if you have money you are above the law. It only applies to the poor and those who step on the toes of capital.",
">\n\nWhat a waste of money",
">\n\n...And a Happy New Year!",
">\n\nClassic",
">\n\nShocking",
">\n\nOur governing body are a bunch of cowards. The US is being safeguarded by self-interested Congresspersons who speak about accountability and act on cowardice.",
">\n\nLet's be honest he'll get away with everything with a slap on the wrist. This country won't prosecute a sitting or former president or high ranking politician, we've seen this over and over. The whole committee is sadly a publicity stunt to gain traction for Democrat's. I hope I'm completely wrong of course and that this country will start to feel like it's a democracy.",
">\n\nThe coup is in effect.",
">\n\nI have a sad feeling this committee is going to end up like a fart in the wind",
">\n\nYou’re not wrong",
">\n\nWtf are you talking about?",
">\n\nHands",
">\n\nWho are you talking to? Lmao",
">\n\nWent out with a whimper. The most Democrat thing ever.\nWish the Dems would learn how to take the gloves off, at least they would have a shot against an opponent that has no problems filling their gloves with lead shot. Then bragging about it.",
">\n\nThe subpoena, and associated contempt charges would be nothing when compared to the recommendations made by the committee to the DOJ. Whether or not the DOJ will act is all that matters at this point."
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All theatre, all the time. Seems like by now, to most people, that somehow being trolled by their favorite elected might be possible.
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"So far Trump's legal strategy of ignoring calls for accountability until Republicans in Congress can bail him out is workingly flawlessly.",
">\n\nThat doesn’t mean the DoJ can’t charge and prosecute. \nRight now everything is in response to republicans getting their slim majority in the house and lessen the damage they will do.\nThat said, they still have the mountain of evidence they did gather",
">\n\nWhat about when the AG/DOJ is a GOP appointee? You don’t think they’ll just put in a Bill Barr type on the entire thing?",
">\n\nNot while they have a democratic president and especially when the previous president lost them the midterms.\nThey were already planning on replacing trump with Desantes by equating the 2 (Martha’s Vineyard was part of that), they’re only gonna lose trying to put their party’s future on the line protect him further.\nThey gonna continue to spread doubt and try to discredit the investigations, but they’re barely holding onto a branch of government, they’re not stupid. Barr only worked because they held onto 2",
">\n\nUmmm that’s not what I meant. If a GOP candidate for President wins in 2024 , what are the actual legal implications. It’s not like it’s below them to interfere like they did with the collusion charges",
">\n\n\nThe House January 6 committee is withdrawing its subpoena of former President Donald Trump as it concludes its work.\n“In light of the imminent end of our investigation, the Select Committee can no longer pursue the specific information covered by the subpoena,” Chairman Bennie Thompson, a Mississippi Democrat, wrote in a letter to Trump’s attorney Wednesday obtained by CNN.\n“Therefore, through this letter, I hereby formally withdraw the subpoena issued to former President Trump, and notify you that he is no longer obligated to comply or produce records in response to said subpoena,” Thompson added.",
">\n\nConclusion: Former president Trump is above the law.",
">\n\nYeah kind of makes me sad. Trump can just ignore a subpoena, with zero consequences. \n“We believe you tried to overthrow the government. You are legally required to come talk to us about it.”\n“No thanks.”\n“Oh. Ok, never mind.”",
">\n\nNo consequences? He's has been referred to the DOJ for obstruction of a govt processing last week. They held a recorded vote.",
">\n\nThat’s not a consequence. It’s kicking the can. Trump will never, ever be held responsible for his role in destroying democracy in America.",
">\n\nThis is not TV or a movie. \"The wheels of justice grind slowly yet exceedingly fine\" is a saying for a reason. Federal investigations usually take years.",
">\n\nHe’s been investigated for years. No consequences. Just special appointments, investigations, and referrals. In the mean time, you know who DOES face consequences?\nAmerica.",
">\n\nYou are judging the end of the movie before it is over.\nThe previous investigations were being done while he had the shield of the presidency and an attorney general running obstruction for him. None of that is true now.",
">\n\nThe GOP will continue fighting on his behalf, because the majority are complicit in 45’s fuckery. Again, no consequences will be had. I’m willing to wager a gift card to your favorite local restaurant that he will live fat, rich, and free until at least the 2024/25 inauguration. Save this post.",
">\n\nWe'll see about that. I'll admit to the loss if thats the case.",
">\n\nMore proof that we the people have no rights in comparison to the billionaire ticks.",
">\n\nDude ain't no billionaire",
">\n\nNo, but his buddies are.",
">\n\nHis puppet masters maybe",
">\n\nI mean, who would have thought not starting the fight sooner would end like this?",
">\n\nDon’t worry. He’s got so many more coming.",
">\n\nThe idea that Trump will pay any price for his crimes is a fantasy.",
">\n\nIt’s actually happening. His company has been found guilty. His charity is closed. His cohorts are about to go to jail. His popularity sagging. Protection is gone. We just need the first indictment.",
">\n\nBut none is him",
">\n\nWell Trump Org is pretty much him but be patient.",
">\n\nDrops in the bucket. \nBeen patient for like 6 years now. How much more we gotta wait?",
">\n\nHe couldn’t be prosecuted while president. Watch GA and the special prosecutor. They’re moving fast.",
">\n\nCouldn't be?\nShould have been.",
">\n\nThat’s absolutely wild that any man is able to just straight up ignore a subpoena with zero consequences. Definition of “above the law”. If he gets away with this, he is going to be more dangerous than ever. You get away with leading a coup/insurrection, you’re going to assume you can get away with literally anything. \nMaybe trump was right… he really could shoot someone in the middle of 5th avenue and not lose any voters…and also probably not even get in trouble",
">\n\nSerious questions...so the committee pull the subpoena, but it's up to DOJ for any additional follow up, but when the new congress is in session they can tell DOJ to drop everything? Is that how's its going to go down? Because I thought DOJ is supposed to be independent once given the committee's findings?",
">\n\nThe DOJ is certainly independent of Congress. As for the committee - the only thing they would've done differently was vote on a criminal referral for contempt of Congress. Although there is some truth to congressional contempt needing to stem from congress, The DOJ has no obligation to act on a referral - it is more akin to a recommendation.\nWith that being said, the committee knew it wasn't going to serve any real benefit, so they decided not to.\n\nThe DOJ decided not to prosecute Meadows and Scavino for contempt due to their close ties to the executive. This pretty much ruled out any chance of it happening to Trump, a former President. \nEven a completely successful referral (Steve Bannon) showed how inconsequential Congressional subpoena power is. For one, it is a misdemeanor. It has been ~15 months since Bannon was referred, and he was found guilty and sentenced, and he is still a free man pending appeal. And even if upheld, it's only 4 months in prison as just shy of maximum sentencing guidelines. \nThe DOJ, if they prosecute, are aiming at much bigger crimes - notably Obstruction of an Official Proceeding, which carries up to 20 years. And they'd be potentially trying these crimes in the same jurisdiction.\n\nSo I'm sure the calculation was that it just wasn't worth throwing a referral at the DOJ for something they'd never follow up on, and wouldn't be much benefit if they did.",
">\n\nIn summary, he’s committed so many crimes that this one isn’t worth any effort",
">\n\nEssentially, yeah. The DOJ has two big chances to secure a conviction: Mar-A-Lago and Jan. 6 - and they will likely bring multiple charges in a D.C. court if they decide to prosecute. Mar-A-Lago will come first, which has virtually nothing to do with this committee's work.\nReferring a misdemeanor to tack onto 4 serious felonies they referred probably only risked muddying the larger offenses. Can't blame them honestly.",
">\n\nWhat is “Mar a Lago” in this context! The tax scheme? Classified documents?",
">\n\nThe classified documents",
">\n\nSmall point but they weren't all classified and don't need to be, for what he did to be illegal. Just trying to avoid republican framing.",
">\n\nHillary was not afraid to testify every time she was asked (and testified for hours and hours each time, answering all questions asked) and never took the 5th. Yet republicans act like she is the criminal when it always has been trump.",
">\n\nEven if she was wrong she was smarter than any of the R in the room. That woman was a machine during those hearings and gave them nothing to work with.",
">\n\nShe is definitely smarter than that barrel of monkeys who questioned her, but ultimately, there was nothing to get from her - the perfect opposite case of crimey benedict donald and his co-conspirators.",
">\n\nIt's interesting to see that people think this subpoena would have continued to exist past Jan 3, 2023 given that that's when ALL open subpoenas from the outgoing congress expire and become null and void. Even if the J6 committee continued to exist- they would be required to file a brand new one in the new session.",
">\n\nIt wouldn't be that hard to file a brand new subpoena, they have lawyers who work full-time for them. That isn't an obstacle.",
">\n\nExcept for the committee doesn't exist in the new Congress and they have no powers to do anything if they don't exist.",
">\n\nIt's easy to get the two confused a lot of times.",
">\n\nHow many of y'all actually thought he wasn't going to run out the clock? \nNothing will fundamentally change.",
">\n\nNobody. The “justice takes time” chorus that dominated the narrative was only here to quell social unrest so society didn’t take a dive while the rich mocked us from their golden pedestals.",
">\n\nSerious question: Why? So what if the Dems lose power in the Congress. Let the Republicans be the one to formally dismantle the committee and subpoena on record. Then when hopefully Trump is charged by the DOJ, dems have another talking point for 2024 that the Republicans hate law and order and protect mob bosses.",
">\n\nThe select committee expires at the end of the congressional session. So they do not need to question him because the committee will not exist.",
">\n\nBut what is the point of formally withdrawing the subpoena? What does it accomplish?",
">\n\nThe committee is over. They have issued the report, they are closing up shop. They are following the process. A secondary part of the committees job was to show how a REAL congressional hearing should be handled. None of that sloppy ass grandstanding they did for Benghazi",
">\n\nMy viewpoint is that Trump and the GOP are just going to use this as “proof” that he did nothing wrong. Remember how the Mueller report “exonerated” Trump? His base believes this shit wholeheartedly and I guarantee he will use this as “evidence” for his innocence.\nShowing how things SHOULD be handled instead of taking whatever measures needed to protect Americans lead to Jan 6th happening in the first place. We all know how things should be handled, how the rules should work, but one side is willing to do whatever they need to keep power and the other is getting walked over.\nIs taking the high road worth letting fascism into our government?",
">\n\nIt’s good to know that republicans are allowed to ignore subpoenas. That’s useful info for them. Don’t expect dems to get that treatment",
">\n\nThey dropped the ball in not issuing one a couple of months ago",
">\n\nActually the Democrats have done everything not to ever pick up the ball even once. They let trump appointed republicans appoint a republican special counsel to fall like a straw man to blatant obstruction in the Russia probe. They turned it into a fundraiser for campaigning. \nThis time they let liz Cheney take the reins, who was able to preserve her republican prerogatives throughout this entire ordeal. \nThe fact is that you're all being cucked by forces of controlled opposition and I'm apparently the only one in the world who can't be so easily mitigated.\nI can't depend on any of you anymore than you can depend on yourselves.",
">\n\nYou lost all credibility at the end when you said cuck and act like you’re the smartest person in the world. Be gone!",
">\n\nYeah, I don't know how anyone can be expected to be taken seriously using that whole sentence unironically.",
">\n\nI don't expect to be taken seriously whether I say it or not, yet the facts remain as I've described.",
">\n\nI didn’t see that coming, said absolutely no one.",
">\n\nWhy.",
">\n\nHUGE mistake. The committee will be dissolved by the GOPers in a couple weeks, and all this did was to give the Marmalade Moses another fake victory to rile up his lemmings.",
">\n\nIt’s funny because I say the same thing every time about trump never getting charged and I always get shit about it like BUT NO THIS TIME IS DIFFERENT. \nLmao right. Sure it is.",
">\n\nFucking same. This is just more “ammo” for his orange, shit spewing mouth.",
">\n\nThis guy is still getting more media coverage than the current potus two years into his term. Crazy.",
">\n\nIt does blow that he wasn't forced to comply with the subpoena but for people thinking what a bummer this seems like, the house is switching to a republican majority in like a week so it didn't make a whole lot of sense to leave an active subpoena on record knowing it would never be resolved. They likely knew he wasn't going to comply when it was issued only now its offical that it was officially issued, ignored by trump, and terminated. Who knows if the DOJ will eventually file but everyone pretty much already knew that little temper tantrum trump wasn't going to aid in his own house sedition investigation.",
">\n\nIf we restrict ourselves to the issue of compliance with a subpoena from this committee, then the recent election clearly mooted every aspect of penalties or consequences related to ignoring the subpoena.\nIt's like a big brother was called over and little bro wanted him to force his adversary to bow and kiss the ground. But by the time big bro finally wanders over, the kid goes \"nah... we're good.\"\nA lot of folk like to believe contempt of court or contempt of congress is like any other crime where you do the deed and have to face the punishment. But, in general, these things do not work like crimes. Even where contempt has been codified such that there is a criminal contempt aspect, the goal remains to seek or to force compliance. This leads to \"punishments\" which are better or worse depending on how you view things. A simple view is that you could be \"sentenced\" to indefinite incarceration because it's a \"jailed until compliance\" thing.\nIn this case, Congress has been very, very reticent to try to use their inherent power to jail someone. So the most they ever do these days is refer the case to the DoJ to pursue criminal contempt of congress.\nAll in all, is this a \"good\" thing? Maybe it's not as bad as we feel it to be. Imagine any sort of argument where someone demands you do something. You retort \"are you sure?\" Bystanders urge folk cool down and think about it. Map that into the way Congress changes every two years and you get a sense that unless something is important enough that it remains after the public alters the composition of the legislative branch, maybe it's not all that important (to the public) after all.\nOn the other hand, why would anyone fear Congress when they demonstrate time and again there never really are any consequences for refusal to comply with subpoenas? But... do we want to quake in fear whenever some nutjob party gains control and enacts something as dire as the Committee on Unamerican Activities?",
">\n\nWhat is the advantage of dropping the subpoena, as opposed to just letting it expire/letting the new congress withdraw it? Why go on record saying he no longer has to come in? I get that he was never going to show, I’m just curious why this is better than the alternative.",
">\n\nI’m wondering this too. There has to be a good reason.",
">\n\n?? Why, like it had no power, but still why? This looks like weakness",
">\n\nThe subpoena expires when the new congress is sworn in on Jan 3rd. There was no practical way to enforce it.",
">\n\nWhy not just let it expire?\nNow Republicans have a talking point that the January 6th Committee withdrew their subpoena.\nThey'll use it to muddy the waters and spread more misinformation.",
">\n\nThey already had their talking points. They've had them the whole time. They already released a \"counter report\" to the J6 committee. The committee withdrew it because they are closing up shop. The report is out. Where would Donnie's answers go?",
">\n\nWhy was he not charged with contempt for no show? Once again, he gets let off for bad behaviour",
">\n\nBecause they referred him for 4 much more serious crimes with longer sentences. Referring him for this is essentially pointless.",
">\n\nYes, but i see it as another nail in the coffin, and also sends a message that subpoenas are not to be ignored",
">\n\nImagine if you or I tried to just ignore a subpoena.",
">\n\nIt’s OK if you’re a Republican, as the war criminal’s daughter who voted in line with Trump’s policies during her House tenure can attest.",
">\n\nAnother instance of unequal justice under the law, imo. If you or I disregarded a subpoena from Congress we'd be going to jail...like Steve Bannon.",
">\n\nDrag it out, do nothing, repeat. Glad the J6 group produced a ton of info and exposed a lot of the bs but what's the point of nothing really happens? Media circus? I'm so tired.",
">\n\nGreat precedent. It's good to know if I'm ever subpoenaed by congress I can just ignore it.",
">\n\nJ6 knew he'd puss out and just wanted to get it on the record. And for the same reason they haven't gone after Meadows for ignoring his subpoena, are all of the other serious crimes hanging over him and the orange Traitor in Chief, especially now, the subpoenas aren't worth the time and effort.",
">\n\n\nAnd for the same reason they haven't gone after Meadows for ignoring his subpoena\n\nTo be fair... the House voted him in criminal contempt and sent the referral to that to the DoJ. There wasn't really anything they could do beyond that with respect to his subpoena (yes, inherent contempt in theory exists, in practice it would have been useless for multiple reasons).\nMeadows is also included in the big criminal referrals the committee issued as part of their report as well.",
">\n\nAs usual, this country’s justice system is a joke",
">\n\nThis was a subpoena issued by the congress, not DOJ. He would be arrested if this was subpoena by DOJ and he didn’t show.",
">\n\nLike I said lol this country’s justice system is a joke",
">\n\nBut the justice system has not been involved yet!!! Congressional hearing is not an example of the justice system. The congress has referred the case to the DOJ or “the justice system” as a result of their hearing. DOJ will pursue a criminal investigation and pursue charges. \nJudiciary (justice system as you call it), congress, and executive branches are constitutionally separate and independent to ensure checks and balances.\nJustice system in the US is not ideal, but this specific instance is not an example of these inefficiencies. This is an example of how the congress has been ineffective in doing their legislative actions. In this instance the correct statement would be “Legislative system in this country is a joke.” Justice system has not had a chance to show its incompetence yet. That will be next.",
">\n\nNaive of you to think this is anything more than a show they’re putting on. Nothing will come of it, democrats are by nature pussies let’s be real. None have any teeth or claws. The right is full of a bunch of tribalistic monkeys, party is apparently more important than country. I guess I can rephrase, besides making money and being the best business in the world, America is a joke.",
">\n\n\"OMG. I'm so outraged by this even though I have no idea why.\"\nIt'd be nice if you guys learned the difference between the subpoena and the criminal referral. trump was never going to show up for the subpoena especially since the GOP is about to take control. It's a completely moot point.",
">\n\nExactly. The committee already referred him to the DoJ on criminal charges. Everyone is acting like they're just taking their ball and going home. They already went well and beyond a mere subpoena here, and one of the charges that they're recommending is obstruction already.",
">\n\nAren’t subpoenas mandatory with consequences? Either you show up or go to jail. Trump did neither.",
">\n\nNot if you are rich. Laws are you only for the the lower 90%",
">\n\nThis is such bullshit.",
">\n\nAnother precedent set for rich criminals to not comply. If we citizens didn’t show we’d be at a black site with electrodes on our genitals.",
">\n\nThey should have charged Trump with contempt of Congress.",
">\n\nSo whens the next uprising on behalf of rich people? Just be sure you're actually a political player because if you're just a worker you'll be charged. Chess has really changed over the past hundred years.",
">\n\nTotally expected. \nTrump, the really TV star, said he'd only agree to answer the subpoena if it were live & televised. It's quite obvious the reason is that he'd ignore the questioning & use the free air time to spew his BS, much like in the Presidential debates. \nAnd I'm sure the incoming Republican House would have loved to have given him the opportunity",
">\n\nyeah kinda moot at this point , they already made those criminal referrals anyways lol i wish they would have perused charging him for not showing up however but maybe they figured in light of everything they should focus on the key issues and at this point whatever he had to say really doesnt matter anyways as he would just lie. his testimony would pretty much be useless. its still a shame we didnt get to see it just for historys sake lol",
">\n\nAl trump would do is take the 5th like any other ordinary criminal",
">\n\nSo far as things have gone, will it now be ok for Democrats to ignore all the subpoenas that this next R House is going to send around? I’d think so….",
">\n\nOur government has failed us.... Good luck everyone.",
">\n\nAh yes the criminal Justice system, quite possibly the longest running joke in America",
">\n\n& you just know the cheeto will say something like, ha!, they dropped the subpoena cause they knew I am innocent, or some 💩 like that",
">\n\nNo surprise there. Trump is above the law, as he has proven time and again, over and over throughout the last several years. \nI will be surprised if anything comes out of this investigation, at all. \nI will be surprised if the next republican president isn't worse than Trump. \nI mean seriously, how do they convict him of anything if they can't even call him for questioning. Ever heard of anyone, ever, to get convicted of a crime that didn't have to talk to investigators at some point? \nFuck America. Fuck Trump. And fuck the pussy ass people who refuse to do their fucking job.",
">\n\nThey dropped it because it wasn't necessary and would have given him a national platform needlessly. DOJ will pass to the special council which will bring formal charges, if any will be brought.",
">\n\nThis is actually heartbreaking. Seen a lot of politicians and people of note show time and time again that the rules for EVERY CITIZEN don’t apply to them and this stings just a little more",
">\n\nMy theory that he is blackmailing everyone from the White House down with Area 51 malarky is still holding water...",
">\n\nLet us all start committing crimes and see how that goes, this is bs",
">\n\nSuch bs. I knew he would sleeze his way out of any consequences for his actions. This will only embolden him & his lunatic followers. He incites a riot that kills people & gets away with it. If any of us incited a riot, we would still be in jail & if people died during the riot, we would be charged with murder as well. So sick & tired of the double standard when it comes to a president who breaks the law & walks away, just like nixon did.",
">\n\nshould not have dropped\nshould have referred it to doj for contempt of congress...\nwhite rich continue to get a pass for what the rest of us would have long ago been prosecuted and imprisoned...",
">\n\nThey already referred him to DOJ for obstruction of a govt proceeding last week. What are you talking about?",
">\n\nYeah, because why would you want to subpoena the guy who was completely responsible for the entire thing?\nThe Chuck Schumer neoliberals have engineered this to completely let Trump get away with it - because they think the Republicans are still their friends and they don't want to piss them off!",
">\n\nThey subpoenaed trump months ago. He declined to show. Since, investigation is over, they dropped it. This is not even really news worthy.",
">\n\nHalf the people in this thread have no idea what they're talking about and are confusing the subpoena with the criminal referral.",
">\n\nOh, is that what's going on? Lol. I was wondering why ppl are making a big deal about this. This is just the committee cleaning up loose ends.",
">\n\nIt's a big deal if someone who's now a private citizen, can do wtf he wants and ignore a Congressional subpoena.",
">\n\nIt takes votes by congress to hold in contempt. They didn't need trump's testimony. He would just show up and repeat I plead the 5th anyway. Pence ignored his, too. It's pointless to hold them in contempt and get off focus of actual investigation.",
">\n\nYou're proving my point. Congressional Democrats should have enforced the subpoena and made Trump plead the 5th to every question. Imagine if Pence also appeared and pled the 5th to every question. That is political magic for the Democrats, it makes them look guilty as hell.\nTrump committed a crime, and this is America. It should be the same as if I committed a crime. We would get arrested, taken to jail until the morning, see a judge and face our charges, and then either get released on OR, held for trial, or bail set. It's not much of a democracy if laws are not enforced against powerful people.",
">\n\nOnce you all realize this is just a game and you’re the pawn things will make a lot more sense.",
">\n\nNow hear him cry about never getting a chance to testify when he’s charged.",
">\n\nI see this less as a “you’re excused” and more of a “see you in court”",
">\n\nNo need to bother with it when they've already finished their work. The only thing that testimony would have accomplished would have been getting Trump to look bad on national television, and a potential perjury charge. Trump already has embarrassed himself in public in a massive way since then, and they have bigger crimes to recommend to the DOJ for prosecution.",
">\n\nThe moment they announced the subpoena everyone got a hard on that trump would have to talk. I said it then and I’ll say it again, trump will never have to face any punishment and he doesn’t have to comply to any law or rules. They’re all more suggestions instead of laws.",
">\n\nWhat a waste of fucking time",
">\n\nSo......this was a big fat waste of time and money?",
">\n\nI mean they made a criminal referral so, no? The committee wasn’t set up to solely investigate Dolt 45 and took the testimony of over a thousand people, why is it you believe withdrawing one subpoena because the committee is winding down renders the entire process a “waste of time and money.”",
">\n\nNo mention on CNN that they dropped the subpoena after a year of January 6 January 6 January 6 terrible news station",
">\n\nWell, it’s being run by a Republican so go figure",
">\n\nTalk about the wheels of justice turning slow. In this case reversing altogether. Well done.",
">\n\nI wish this surprised me.",
">\n\nLOL God this is so funny\nWhat the fuck did y'all expect if you have money you are above the law. It only applies to the poor and those who step on the toes of capital.",
">\n\nWhat a waste of money",
">\n\n...And a Happy New Year!",
">\n\nClassic",
">\n\nShocking",
">\n\nOur governing body are a bunch of cowards. The US is being safeguarded by self-interested Congresspersons who speak about accountability and act on cowardice.",
">\n\nLet's be honest he'll get away with everything with a slap on the wrist. This country won't prosecute a sitting or former president or high ranking politician, we've seen this over and over. The whole committee is sadly a publicity stunt to gain traction for Democrat's. I hope I'm completely wrong of course and that this country will start to feel like it's a democracy.",
">\n\nThe coup is in effect.",
">\n\nI have a sad feeling this committee is going to end up like a fart in the wind",
">\n\nYou’re not wrong",
">\n\nWtf are you talking about?",
">\n\nHands",
">\n\nWho are you talking to? Lmao",
">\n\nWent out with a whimper. The most Democrat thing ever.\nWish the Dems would learn how to take the gloves off, at least they would have a shot against an opponent that has no problems filling their gloves with lead shot. Then bragging about it.",
">\n\nThe subpoena, and associated contempt charges would be nothing when compared to the recommendations made by the committee to the DOJ. Whether or not the DOJ will act is all that matters at this point.",
">\n\nPathetic pieces of shit"
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So wait, he just gets away with everything? Just like that?
What about all the articles saying that Trump will most likely spend the rest of his life in prison?
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"So far Trump's legal strategy of ignoring calls for accountability until Republicans in Congress can bail him out is workingly flawlessly.",
">\n\nThat doesn’t mean the DoJ can’t charge and prosecute. \nRight now everything is in response to republicans getting their slim majority in the house and lessen the damage they will do.\nThat said, they still have the mountain of evidence they did gather",
">\n\nWhat about when the AG/DOJ is a GOP appointee? You don’t think they’ll just put in a Bill Barr type on the entire thing?",
">\n\nNot while they have a democratic president and especially when the previous president lost them the midterms.\nThey were already planning on replacing trump with Desantes by equating the 2 (Martha’s Vineyard was part of that), they’re only gonna lose trying to put their party’s future on the line protect him further.\nThey gonna continue to spread doubt and try to discredit the investigations, but they’re barely holding onto a branch of government, they’re not stupid. Barr only worked because they held onto 2",
">\n\nUmmm that’s not what I meant. If a GOP candidate for President wins in 2024 , what are the actual legal implications. It’s not like it’s below them to interfere like they did with the collusion charges",
">\n\n\nThe House January 6 committee is withdrawing its subpoena of former President Donald Trump as it concludes its work.\n“In light of the imminent end of our investigation, the Select Committee can no longer pursue the specific information covered by the subpoena,” Chairman Bennie Thompson, a Mississippi Democrat, wrote in a letter to Trump’s attorney Wednesday obtained by CNN.\n“Therefore, through this letter, I hereby formally withdraw the subpoena issued to former President Trump, and notify you that he is no longer obligated to comply or produce records in response to said subpoena,” Thompson added.",
">\n\nConclusion: Former president Trump is above the law.",
">\n\nYeah kind of makes me sad. Trump can just ignore a subpoena, with zero consequences. \n“We believe you tried to overthrow the government. You are legally required to come talk to us about it.”\n“No thanks.”\n“Oh. Ok, never mind.”",
">\n\nNo consequences? He's has been referred to the DOJ for obstruction of a govt processing last week. They held a recorded vote.",
">\n\nThat’s not a consequence. It’s kicking the can. Trump will never, ever be held responsible for his role in destroying democracy in America.",
">\n\nThis is not TV or a movie. \"The wheels of justice grind slowly yet exceedingly fine\" is a saying for a reason. Federal investigations usually take years.",
">\n\nHe’s been investigated for years. No consequences. Just special appointments, investigations, and referrals. In the mean time, you know who DOES face consequences?\nAmerica.",
">\n\nYou are judging the end of the movie before it is over.\nThe previous investigations were being done while he had the shield of the presidency and an attorney general running obstruction for him. None of that is true now.",
">\n\nThe GOP will continue fighting on his behalf, because the majority are complicit in 45’s fuckery. Again, no consequences will be had. I’m willing to wager a gift card to your favorite local restaurant that he will live fat, rich, and free until at least the 2024/25 inauguration. Save this post.",
">\n\nWe'll see about that. I'll admit to the loss if thats the case.",
">\n\nMore proof that we the people have no rights in comparison to the billionaire ticks.",
">\n\nDude ain't no billionaire",
">\n\nNo, but his buddies are.",
">\n\nHis puppet masters maybe",
">\n\nI mean, who would have thought not starting the fight sooner would end like this?",
">\n\nDon’t worry. He’s got so many more coming.",
">\n\nThe idea that Trump will pay any price for his crimes is a fantasy.",
">\n\nIt’s actually happening. His company has been found guilty. His charity is closed. His cohorts are about to go to jail. His popularity sagging. Protection is gone. We just need the first indictment.",
">\n\nBut none is him",
">\n\nWell Trump Org is pretty much him but be patient.",
">\n\nDrops in the bucket. \nBeen patient for like 6 years now. How much more we gotta wait?",
">\n\nHe couldn’t be prosecuted while president. Watch GA and the special prosecutor. They’re moving fast.",
">\n\nCouldn't be?\nShould have been.",
">\n\nThat’s absolutely wild that any man is able to just straight up ignore a subpoena with zero consequences. Definition of “above the law”. If he gets away with this, he is going to be more dangerous than ever. You get away with leading a coup/insurrection, you’re going to assume you can get away with literally anything. \nMaybe trump was right… he really could shoot someone in the middle of 5th avenue and not lose any voters…and also probably not even get in trouble",
">\n\nSerious questions...so the committee pull the subpoena, but it's up to DOJ for any additional follow up, but when the new congress is in session they can tell DOJ to drop everything? Is that how's its going to go down? Because I thought DOJ is supposed to be independent once given the committee's findings?",
">\n\nThe DOJ is certainly independent of Congress. As for the committee - the only thing they would've done differently was vote on a criminal referral for contempt of Congress. Although there is some truth to congressional contempt needing to stem from congress, The DOJ has no obligation to act on a referral - it is more akin to a recommendation.\nWith that being said, the committee knew it wasn't going to serve any real benefit, so they decided not to.\n\nThe DOJ decided not to prosecute Meadows and Scavino for contempt due to their close ties to the executive. This pretty much ruled out any chance of it happening to Trump, a former President. \nEven a completely successful referral (Steve Bannon) showed how inconsequential Congressional subpoena power is. For one, it is a misdemeanor. It has been ~15 months since Bannon was referred, and he was found guilty and sentenced, and he is still a free man pending appeal. And even if upheld, it's only 4 months in prison as just shy of maximum sentencing guidelines. \nThe DOJ, if they prosecute, are aiming at much bigger crimes - notably Obstruction of an Official Proceeding, which carries up to 20 years. And they'd be potentially trying these crimes in the same jurisdiction.\n\nSo I'm sure the calculation was that it just wasn't worth throwing a referral at the DOJ for something they'd never follow up on, and wouldn't be much benefit if they did.",
">\n\nIn summary, he’s committed so many crimes that this one isn’t worth any effort",
">\n\nEssentially, yeah. The DOJ has two big chances to secure a conviction: Mar-A-Lago and Jan. 6 - and they will likely bring multiple charges in a D.C. court if they decide to prosecute. Mar-A-Lago will come first, which has virtually nothing to do with this committee's work.\nReferring a misdemeanor to tack onto 4 serious felonies they referred probably only risked muddying the larger offenses. Can't blame them honestly.",
">\n\nWhat is “Mar a Lago” in this context! The tax scheme? Classified documents?",
">\n\nThe classified documents",
">\n\nSmall point but they weren't all classified and don't need to be, for what he did to be illegal. Just trying to avoid republican framing.",
">\n\nHillary was not afraid to testify every time she was asked (and testified for hours and hours each time, answering all questions asked) and never took the 5th. Yet republicans act like she is the criminal when it always has been trump.",
">\n\nEven if she was wrong she was smarter than any of the R in the room. That woman was a machine during those hearings and gave them nothing to work with.",
">\n\nShe is definitely smarter than that barrel of monkeys who questioned her, but ultimately, there was nothing to get from her - the perfect opposite case of crimey benedict donald and his co-conspirators.",
">\n\nIt's interesting to see that people think this subpoena would have continued to exist past Jan 3, 2023 given that that's when ALL open subpoenas from the outgoing congress expire and become null and void. Even if the J6 committee continued to exist- they would be required to file a brand new one in the new session.",
">\n\nIt wouldn't be that hard to file a brand new subpoena, they have lawyers who work full-time for them. That isn't an obstacle.",
">\n\nExcept for the committee doesn't exist in the new Congress and they have no powers to do anything if they don't exist.",
">\n\nIt's easy to get the two confused a lot of times.",
">\n\nHow many of y'all actually thought he wasn't going to run out the clock? \nNothing will fundamentally change.",
">\n\nNobody. The “justice takes time” chorus that dominated the narrative was only here to quell social unrest so society didn’t take a dive while the rich mocked us from their golden pedestals.",
">\n\nSerious question: Why? So what if the Dems lose power in the Congress. Let the Republicans be the one to formally dismantle the committee and subpoena on record. Then when hopefully Trump is charged by the DOJ, dems have another talking point for 2024 that the Republicans hate law and order and protect mob bosses.",
">\n\nThe select committee expires at the end of the congressional session. So they do not need to question him because the committee will not exist.",
">\n\nBut what is the point of formally withdrawing the subpoena? What does it accomplish?",
">\n\nThe committee is over. They have issued the report, they are closing up shop. They are following the process. A secondary part of the committees job was to show how a REAL congressional hearing should be handled. None of that sloppy ass grandstanding they did for Benghazi",
">\n\nMy viewpoint is that Trump and the GOP are just going to use this as “proof” that he did nothing wrong. Remember how the Mueller report “exonerated” Trump? His base believes this shit wholeheartedly and I guarantee he will use this as “evidence” for his innocence.\nShowing how things SHOULD be handled instead of taking whatever measures needed to protect Americans lead to Jan 6th happening in the first place. We all know how things should be handled, how the rules should work, but one side is willing to do whatever they need to keep power and the other is getting walked over.\nIs taking the high road worth letting fascism into our government?",
">\n\nIt’s good to know that republicans are allowed to ignore subpoenas. That’s useful info for them. Don’t expect dems to get that treatment",
">\n\nThey dropped the ball in not issuing one a couple of months ago",
">\n\nActually the Democrats have done everything not to ever pick up the ball even once. They let trump appointed republicans appoint a republican special counsel to fall like a straw man to blatant obstruction in the Russia probe. They turned it into a fundraiser for campaigning. \nThis time they let liz Cheney take the reins, who was able to preserve her republican prerogatives throughout this entire ordeal. \nThe fact is that you're all being cucked by forces of controlled opposition and I'm apparently the only one in the world who can't be so easily mitigated.\nI can't depend on any of you anymore than you can depend on yourselves.",
">\n\nYou lost all credibility at the end when you said cuck and act like you’re the smartest person in the world. Be gone!",
">\n\nYeah, I don't know how anyone can be expected to be taken seriously using that whole sentence unironically.",
">\n\nI don't expect to be taken seriously whether I say it or not, yet the facts remain as I've described.",
">\n\nI didn’t see that coming, said absolutely no one.",
">\n\nWhy.",
">\n\nHUGE mistake. The committee will be dissolved by the GOPers in a couple weeks, and all this did was to give the Marmalade Moses another fake victory to rile up his lemmings.",
">\n\nIt’s funny because I say the same thing every time about trump never getting charged and I always get shit about it like BUT NO THIS TIME IS DIFFERENT. \nLmao right. Sure it is.",
">\n\nFucking same. This is just more “ammo” for his orange, shit spewing mouth.",
">\n\nThis guy is still getting more media coverage than the current potus two years into his term. Crazy.",
">\n\nIt does blow that he wasn't forced to comply with the subpoena but for people thinking what a bummer this seems like, the house is switching to a republican majority in like a week so it didn't make a whole lot of sense to leave an active subpoena on record knowing it would never be resolved. They likely knew he wasn't going to comply when it was issued only now its offical that it was officially issued, ignored by trump, and terminated. Who knows if the DOJ will eventually file but everyone pretty much already knew that little temper tantrum trump wasn't going to aid in his own house sedition investigation.",
">\n\nIf we restrict ourselves to the issue of compliance with a subpoena from this committee, then the recent election clearly mooted every aspect of penalties or consequences related to ignoring the subpoena.\nIt's like a big brother was called over and little bro wanted him to force his adversary to bow and kiss the ground. But by the time big bro finally wanders over, the kid goes \"nah... we're good.\"\nA lot of folk like to believe contempt of court or contempt of congress is like any other crime where you do the deed and have to face the punishment. But, in general, these things do not work like crimes. Even where contempt has been codified such that there is a criminal contempt aspect, the goal remains to seek or to force compliance. This leads to \"punishments\" which are better or worse depending on how you view things. A simple view is that you could be \"sentenced\" to indefinite incarceration because it's a \"jailed until compliance\" thing.\nIn this case, Congress has been very, very reticent to try to use their inherent power to jail someone. So the most they ever do these days is refer the case to the DoJ to pursue criminal contempt of congress.\nAll in all, is this a \"good\" thing? Maybe it's not as bad as we feel it to be. Imagine any sort of argument where someone demands you do something. You retort \"are you sure?\" Bystanders urge folk cool down and think about it. Map that into the way Congress changes every two years and you get a sense that unless something is important enough that it remains after the public alters the composition of the legislative branch, maybe it's not all that important (to the public) after all.\nOn the other hand, why would anyone fear Congress when they demonstrate time and again there never really are any consequences for refusal to comply with subpoenas? But... do we want to quake in fear whenever some nutjob party gains control and enacts something as dire as the Committee on Unamerican Activities?",
">\n\nWhat is the advantage of dropping the subpoena, as opposed to just letting it expire/letting the new congress withdraw it? Why go on record saying he no longer has to come in? I get that he was never going to show, I’m just curious why this is better than the alternative.",
">\n\nI’m wondering this too. There has to be a good reason.",
">\n\n?? Why, like it had no power, but still why? This looks like weakness",
">\n\nThe subpoena expires when the new congress is sworn in on Jan 3rd. There was no practical way to enforce it.",
">\n\nWhy not just let it expire?\nNow Republicans have a talking point that the January 6th Committee withdrew their subpoena.\nThey'll use it to muddy the waters and spread more misinformation.",
">\n\nThey already had their talking points. They've had them the whole time. They already released a \"counter report\" to the J6 committee. The committee withdrew it because they are closing up shop. The report is out. Where would Donnie's answers go?",
">\n\nWhy was he not charged with contempt for no show? Once again, he gets let off for bad behaviour",
">\n\nBecause they referred him for 4 much more serious crimes with longer sentences. Referring him for this is essentially pointless.",
">\n\nYes, but i see it as another nail in the coffin, and also sends a message that subpoenas are not to be ignored",
">\n\nImagine if you or I tried to just ignore a subpoena.",
">\n\nIt’s OK if you’re a Republican, as the war criminal’s daughter who voted in line with Trump’s policies during her House tenure can attest.",
">\n\nAnother instance of unequal justice under the law, imo. If you or I disregarded a subpoena from Congress we'd be going to jail...like Steve Bannon.",
">\n\nDrag it out, do nothing, repeat. Glad the J6 group produced a ton of info and exposed a lot of the bs but what's the point of nothing really happens? Media circus? I'm so tired.",
">\n\nGreat precedent. It's good to know if I'm ever subpoenaed by congress I can just ignore it.",
">\n\nJ6 knew he'd puss out and just wanted to get it on the record. And for the same reason they haven't gone after Meadows for ignoring his subpoena, are all of the other serious crimes hanging over him and the orange Traitor in Chief, especially now, the subpoenas aren't worth the time and effort.",
">\n\n\nAnd for the same reason they haven't gone after Meadows for ignoring his subpoena\n\nTo be fair... the House voted him in criminal contempt and sent the referral to that to the DoJ. There wasn't really anything they could do beyond that with respect to his subpoena (yes, inherent contempt in theory exists, in practice it would have been useless for multiple reasons).\nMeadows is also included in the big criminal referrals the committee issued as part of their report as well.",
">\n\nAs usual, this country’s justice system is a joke",
">\n\nThis was a subpoena issued by the congress, not DOJ. He would be arrested if this was subpoena by DOJ and he didn’t show.",
">\n\nLike I said lol this country’s justice system is a joke",
">\n\nBut the justice system has not been involved yet!!! Congressional hearing is not an example of the justice system. The congress has referred the case to the DOJ or “the justice system” as a result of their hearing. DOJ will pursue a criminal investigation and pursue charges. \nJudiciary (justice system as you call it), congress, and executive branches are constitutionally separate and independent to ensure checks and balances.\nJustice system in the US is not ideal, but this specific instance is not an example of these inefficiencies. This is an example of how the congress has been ineffective in doing their legislative actions. In this instance the correct statement would be “Legislative system in this country is a joke.” Justice system has not had a chance to show its incompetence yet. That will be next.",
">\n\nNaive of you to think this is anything more than a show they’re putting on. Nothing will come of it, democrats are by nature pussies let’s be real. None have any teeth or claws. The right is full of a bunch of tribalistic monkeys, party is apparently more important than country. I guess I can rephrase, besides making money and being the best business in the world, America is a joke.",
">\n\n\"OMG. I'm so outraged by this even though I have no idea why.\"\nIt'd be nice if you guys learned the difference between the subpoena and the criminal referral. trump was never going to show up for the subpoena especially since the GOP is about to take control. It's a completely moot point.",
">\n\nExactly. The committee already referred him to the DoJ on criminal charges. Everyone is acting like they're just taking their ball and going home. They already went well and beyond a mere subpoena here, and one of the charges that they're recommending is obstruction already.",
">\n\nAren’t subpoenas mandatory with consequences? Either you show up or go to jail. Trump did neither.",
">\n\nNot if you are rich. Laws are you only for the the lower 90%",
">\n\nThis is such bullshit.",
">\n\nAnother precedent set for rich criminals to not comply. If we citizens didn’t show we’d be at a black site with electrodes on our genitals.",
">\n\nThey should have charged Trump with contempt of Congress.",
">\n\nSo whens the next uprising on behalf of rich people? Just be sure you're actually a political player because if you're just a worker you'll be charged. Chess has really changed over the past hundred years.",
">\n\nTotally expected. \nTrump, the really TV star, said he'd only agree to answer the subpoena if it were live & televised. It's quite obvious the reason is that he'd ignore the questioning & use the free air time to spew his BS, much like in the Presidential debates. \nAnd I'm sure the incoming Republican House would have loved to have given him the opportunity",
">\n\nyeah kinda moot at this point , they already made those criminal referrals anyways lol i wish they would have perused charging him for not showing up however but maybe they figured in light of everything they should focus on the key issues and at this point whatever he had to say really doesnt matter anyways as he would just lie. his testimony would pretty much be useless. its still a shame we didnt get to see it just for historys sake lol",
">\n\nAl trump would do is take the 5th like any other ordinary criminal",
">\n\nSo far as things have gone, will it now be ok for Democrats to ignore all the subpoenas that this next R House is going to send around? I’d think so….",
">\n\nOur government has failed us.... Good luck everyone.",
">\n\nAh yes the criminal Justice system, quite possibly the longest running joke in America",
">\n\n& you just know the cheeto will say something like, ha!, they dropped the subpoena cause they knew I am innocent, or some 💩 like that",
">\n\nNo surprise there. Trump is above the law, as he has proven time and again, over and over throughout the last several years. \nI will be surprised if anything comes out of this investigation, at all. \nI will be surprised if the next republican president isn't worse than Trump. \nI mean seriously, how do they convict him of anything if they can't even call him for questioning. Ever heard of anyone, ever, to get convicted of a crime that didn't have to talk to investigators at some point? \nFuck America. Fuck Trump. And fuck the pussy ass people who refuse to do their fucking job.",
">\n\nThey dropped it because it wasn't necessary and would have given him a national platform needlessly. DOJ will pass to the special council which will bring formal charges, if any will be brought.",
">\n\nThis is actually heartbreaking. Seen a lot of politicians and people of note show time and time again that the rules for EVERY CITIZEN don’t apply to them and this stings just a little more",
">\n\nMy theory that he is blackmailing everyone from the White House down with Area 51 malarky is still holding water...",
">\n\nLet us all start committing crimes and see how that goes, this is bs",
">\n\nSuch bs. I knew he would sleeze his way out of any consequences for his actions. This will only embolden him & his lunatic followers. He incites a riot that kills people & gets away with it. If any of us incited a riot, we would still be in jail & if people died during the riot, we would be charged with murder as well. So sick & tired of the double standard when it comes to a president who breaks the law & walks away, just like nixon did.",
">\n\nshould not have dropped\nshould have referred it to doj for contempt of congress...\nwhite rich continue to get a pass for what the rest of us would have long ago been prosecuted and imprisoned...",
">\n\nThey already referred him to DOJ for obstruction of a govt proceeding last week. What are you talking about?",
">\n\nYeah, because why would you want to subpoena the guy who was completely responsible for the entire thing?\nThe Chuck Schumer neoliberals have engineered this to completely let Trump get away with it - because they think the Republicans are still their friends and they don't want to piss them off!",
">\n\nThey subpoenaed trump months ago. He declined to show. Since, investigation is over, they dropped it. This is not even really news worthy.",
">\n\nHalf the people in this thread have no idea what they're talking about and are confusing the subpoena with the criminal referral.",
">\n\nOh, is that what's going on? Lol. I was wondering why ppl are making a big deal about this. This is just the committee cleaning up loose ends.",
">\n\nIt's a big deal if someone who's now a private citizen, can do wtf he wants and ignore a Congressional subpoena.",
">\n\nIt takes votes by congress to hold in contempt. They didn't need trump's testimony. He would just show up and repeat I plead the 5th anyway. Pence ignored his, too. It's pointless to hold them in contempt and get off focus of actual investigation.",
">\n\nYou're proving my point. Congressional Democrats should have enforced the subpoena and made Trump plead the 5th to every question. Imagine if Pence also appeared and pled the 5th to every question. That is political magic for the Democrats, it makes them look guilty as hell.\nTrump committed a crime, and this is America. It should be the same as if I committed a crime. We would get arrested, taken to jail until the morning, see a judge and face our charges, and then either get released on OR, held for trial, or bail set. It's not much of a democracy if laws are not enforced against powerful people.",
">\n\nOnce you all realize this is just a game and you’re the pawn things will make a lot more sense.",
">\n\nNow hear him cry about never getting a chance to testify when he’s charged.",
">\n\nI see this less as a “you’re excused” and more of a “see you in court”",
">\n\nNo need to bother with it when they've already finished their work. The only thing that testimony would have accomplished would have been getting Trump to look bad on national television, and a potential perjury charge. Trump already has embarrassed himself in public in a massive way since then, and they have bigger crimes to recommend to the DOJ for prosecution.",
">\n\nThe moment they announced the subpoena everyone got a hard on that trump would have to talk. I said it then and I’ll say it again, trump will never have to face any punishment and he doesn’t have to comply to any law or rules. They’re all more suggestions instead of laws.",
">\n\nWhat a waste of fucking time",
">\n\nSo......this was a big fat waste of time and money?",
">\n\nI mean they made a criminal referral so, no? The committee wasn’t set up to solely investigate Dolt 45 and took the testimony of over a thousand people, why is it you believe withdrawing one subpoena because the committee is winding down renders the entire process a “waste of time and money.”",
">\n\nNo mention on CNN that they dropped the subpoena after a year of January 6 January 6 January 6 terrible news station",
">\n\nWell, it’s being run by a Republican so go figure",
">\n\nTalk about the wheels of justice turning slow. In this case reversing altogether. Well done.",
">\n\nI wish this surprised me.",
">\n\nLOL God this is so funny\nWhat the fuck did y'all expect if you have money you are above the law. It only applies to the poor and those who step on the toes of capital.",
">\n\nWhat a waste of money",
">\n\n...And a Happy New Year!",
">\n\nClassic",
">\n\nShocking",
">\n\nOur governing body are a bunch of cowards. The US is being safeguarded by self-interested Congresspersons who speak about accountability and act on cowardice.",
">\n\nLet's be honest he'll get away with everything with a slap on the wrist. This country won't prosecute a sitting or former president or high ranking politician, we've seen this over and over. The whole committee is sadly a publicity stunt to gain traction for Democrat's. I hope I'm completely wrong of course and that this country will start to feel like it's a democracy.",
">\n\nThe coup is in effect.",
">\n\nI have a sad feeling this committee is going to end up like a fart in the wind",
">\n\nYou’re not wrong",
">\n\nWtf are you talking about?",
">\n\nHands",
">\n\nWho are you talking to? Lmao",
">\n\nWent out with a whimper. The most Democrat thing ever.\nWish the Dems would learn how to take the gloves off, at least they would have a shot against an opponent that has no problems filling their gloves with lead shot. Then bragging about it.",
">\n\nThe subpoena, and associated contempt charges would be nothing when compared to the recommendations made by the committee to the DOJ. Whether or not the DOJ will act is all that matters at this point.",
">\n\nPathetic pieces of shit",
">\n\nAll theatre, all the time. Seems like by now, to most people, that somehow being trolled by their favorite elected might be possible."
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The subpoena has nothing to do with the recommendations made by the committee to the DOJ. The ball is in the DOJ’s court. The subpoena doesn’t impact anything. Absurd that he didn’t get held in contempt, but that is more of a distraction than anything.
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"So far Trump's legal strategy of ignoring calls for accountability until Republicans in Congress can bail him out is workingly flawlessly.",
">\n\nThat doesn’t mean the DoJ can’t charge and prosecute. \nRight now everything is in response to republicans getting their slim majority in the house and lessen the damage they will do.\nThat said, they still have the mountain of evidence they did gather",
">\n\nWhat about when the AG/DOJ is a GOP appointee? You don’t think they’ll just put in a Bill Barr type on the entire thing?",
">\n\nNot while they have a democratic president and especially when the previous president lost them the midterms.\nThey were already planning on replacing trump with Desantes by equating the 2 (Martha’s Vineyard was part of that), they’re only gonna lose trying to put their party’s future on the line protect him further.\nThey gonna continue to spread doubt and try to discredit the investigations, but they’re barely holding onto a branch of government, they’re not stupid. Barr only worked because they held onto 2",
">\n\nUmmm that’s not what I meant. If a GOP candidate for President wins in 2024 , what are the actual legal implications. It’s not like it’s below them to interfere like they did with the collusion charges",
">\n\n\nThe House January 6 committee is withdrawing its subpoena of former President Donald Trump as it concludes its work.\n“In light of the imminent end of our investigation, the Select Committee can no longer pursue the specific information covered by the subpoena,” Chairman Bennie Thompson, a Mississippi Democrat, wrote in a letter to Trump’s attorney Wednesday obtained by CNN.\n“Therefore, through this letter, I hereby formally withdraw the subpoena issued to former President Trump, and notify you that he is no longer obligated to comply or produce records in response to said subpoena,” Thompson added.",
">\n\nConclusion: Former president Trump is above the law.",
">\n\nYeah kind of makes me sad. Trump can just ignore a subpoena, with zero consequences. \n“We believe you tried to overthrow the government. You are legally required to come talk to us about it.”\n“No thanks.”\n“Oh. Ok, never mind.”",
">\n\nNo consequences? He's has been referred to the DOJ for obstruction of a govt processing last week. They held a recorded vote.",
">\n\nThat’s not a consequence. It’s kicking the can. Trump will never, ever be held responsible for his role in destroying democracy in America.",
">\n\nThis is not TV or a movie. \"The wheels of justice grind slowly yet exceedingly fine\" is a saying for a reason. Federal investigations usually take years.",
">\n\nHe’s been investigated for years. No consequences. Just special appointments, investigations, and referrals. In the mean time, you know who DOES face consequences?\nAmerica.",
">\n\nYou are judging the end of the movie before it is over.\nThe previous investigations were being done while he had the shield of the presidency and an attorney general running obstruction for him. None of that is true now.",
">\n\nThe GOP will continue fighting on his behalf, because the majority are complicit in 45’s fuckery. Again, no consequences will be had. I’m willing to wager a gift card to your favorite local restaurant that he will live fat, rich, and free until at least the 2024/25 inauguration. Save this post.",
">\n\nWe'll see about that. I'll admit to the loss if thats the case.",
">\n\nMore proof that we the people have no rights in comparison to the billionaire ticks.",
">\n\nDude ain't no billionaire",
">\n\nNo, but his buddies are.",
">\n\nHis puppet masters maybe",
">\n\nI mean, who would have thought not starting the fight sooner would end like this?",
">\n\nDon’t worry. He’s got so many more coming.",
">\n\nThe idea that Trump will pay any price for his crimes is a fantasy.",
">\n\nIt’s actually happening. His company has been found guilty. His charity is closed. His cohorts are about to go to jail. His popularity sagging. Protection is gone. We just need the first indictment.",
">\n\nBut none is him",
">\n\nWell Trump Org is pretty much him but be patient.",
">\n\nDrops in the bucket. \nBeen patient for like 6 years now. How much more we gotta wait?",
">\n\nHe couldn’t be prosecuted while president. Watch GA and the special prosecutor. They’re moving fast.",
">\n\nCouldn't be?\nShould have been.",
">\n\nThat’s absolutely wild that any man is able to just straight up ignore a subpoena with zero consequences. Definition of “above the law”. If he gets away with this, he is going to be more dangerous than ever. You get away with leading a coup/insurrection, you’re going to assume you can get away with literally anything. \nMaybe trump was right… he really could shoot someone in the middle of 5th avenue and not lose any voters…and also probably not even get in trouble",
">\n\nSerious questions...so the committee pull the subpoena, but it's up to DOJ for any additional follow up, but when the new congress is in session they can tell DOJ to drop everything? Is that how's its going to go down? Because I thought DOJ is supposed to be independent once given the committee's findings?",
">\n\nThe DOJ is certainly independent of Congress. As for the committee - the only thing they would've done differently was vote on a criminal referral for contempt of Congress. Although there is some truth to congressional contempt needing to stem from congress, The DOJ has no obligation to act on a referral - it is more akin to a recommendation.\nWith that being said, the committee knew it wasn't going to serve any real benefit, so they decided not to.\n\nThe DOJ decided not to prosecute Meadows and Scavino for contempt due to their close ties to the executive. This pretty much ruled out any chance of it happening to Trump, a former President. \nEven a completely successful referral (Steve Bannon) showed how inconsequential Congressional subpoena power is. For one, it is a misdemeanor. It has been ~15 months since Bannon was referred, and he was found guilty and sentenced, and he is still a free man pending appeal. And even if upheld, it's only 4 months in prison as just shy of maximum sentencing guidelines. \nThe DOJ, if they prosecute, are aiming at much bigger crimes - notably Obstruction of an Official Proceeding, which carries up to 20 years. And they'd be potentially trying these crimes in the same jurisdiction.\n\nSo I'm sure the calculation was that it just wasn't worth throwing a referral at the DOJ for something they'd never follow up on, and wouldn't be much benefit if they did.",
">\n\nIn summary, he’s committed so many crimes that this one isn’t worth any effort",
">\n\nEssentially, yeah. The DOJ has two big chances to secure a conviction: Mar-A-Lago and Jan. 6 - and they will likely bring multiple charges in a D.C. court if they decide to prosecute. Mar-A-Lago will come first, which has virtually nothing to do with this committee's work.\nReferring a misdemeanor to tack onto 4 serious felonies they referred probably only risked muddying the larger offenses. Can't blame them honestly.",
">\n\nWhat is “Mar a Lago” in this context! The tax scheme? Classified documents?",
">\n\nThe classified documents",
">\n\nSmall point but they weren't all classified and don't need to be, for what he did to be illegal. Just trying to avoid republican framing.",
">\n\nHillary was not afraid to testify every time she was asked (and testified for hours and hours each time, answering all questions asked) and never took the 5th. Yet republicans act like she is the criminal when it always has been trump.",
">\n\nEven if she was wrong she was smarter than any of the R in the room. That woman was a machine during those hearings and gave them nothing to work with.",
">\n\nShe is definitely smarter than that barrel of monkeys who questioned her, but ultimately, there was nothing to get from her - the perfect opposite case of crimey benedict donald and his co-conspirators.",
">\n\nIt's interesting to see that people think this subpoena would have continued to exist past Jan 3, 2023 given that that's when ALL open subpoenas from the outgoing congress expire and become null and void. Even if the J6 committee continued to exist- they would be required to file a brand new one in the new session.",
">\n\nIt wouldn't be that hard to file a brand new subpoena, they have lawyers who work full-time for them. That isn't an obstacle.",
">\n\nExcept for the committee doesn't exist in the new Congress and they have no powers to do anything if they don't exist.",
">\n\nIt's easy to get the two confused a lot of times.",
">\n\nHow many of y'all actually thought he wasn't going to run out the clock? \nNothing will fundamentally change.",
">\n\nNobody. The “justice takes time” chorus that dominated the narrative was only here to quell social unrest so society didn’t take a dive while the rich mocked us from their golden pedestals.",
">\n\nSerious question: Why? So what if the Dems lose power in the Congress. Let the Republicans be the one to formally dismantle the committee and subpoena on record. Then when hopefully Trump is charged by the DOJ, dems have another talking point for 2024 that the Republicans hate law and order and protect mob bosses.",
">\n\nThe select committee expires at the end of the congressional session. So they do not need to question him because the committee will not exist.",
">\n\nBut what is the point of formally withdrawing the subpoena? What does it accomplish?",
">\n\nThe committee is over. They have issued the report, they are closing up shop. They are following the process. A secondary part of the committees job was to show how a REAL congressional hearing should be handled. None of that sloppy ass grandstanding they did for Benghazi",
">\n\nMy viewpoint is that Trump and the GOP are just going to use this as “proof” that he did nothing wrong. Remember how the Mueller report “exonerated” Trump? His base believes this shit wholeheartedly and I guarantee he will use this as “evidence” for his innocence.\nShowing how things SHOULD be handled instead of taking whatever measures needed to protect Americans lead to Jan 6th happening in the first place. We all know how things should be handled, how the rules should work, but one side is willing to do whatever they need to keep power and the other is getting walked over.\nIs taking the high road worth letting fascism into our government?",
">\n\nIt’s good to know that republicans are allowed to ignore subpoenas. That’s useful info for them. Don’t expect dems to get that treatment",
">\n\nThey dropped the ball in not issuing one a couple of months ago",
">\n\nActually the Democrats have done everything not to ever pick up the ball even once. They let trump appointed republicans appoint a republican special counsel to fall like a straw man to blatant obstruction in the Russia probe. They turned it into a fundraiser for campaigning. \nThis time they let liz Cheney take the reins, who was able to preserve her republican prerogatives throughout this entire ordeal. \nThe fact is that you're all being cucked by forces of controlled opposition and I'm apparently the only one in the world who can't be so easily mitigated.\nI can't depend on any of you anymore than you can depend on yourselves.",
">\n\nYou lost all credibility at the end when you said cuck and act like you’re the smartest person in the world. Be gone!",
">\n\nYeah, I don't know how anyone can be expected to be taken seriously using that whole sentence unironically.",
">\n\nI don't expect to be taken seriously whether I say it or not, yet the facts remain as I've described.",
">\n\nI didn’t see that coming, said absolutely no one.",
">\n\nWhy.",
">\n\nHUGE mistake. The committee will be dissolved by the GOPers in a couple weeks, and all this did was to give the Marmalade Moses another fake victory to rile up his lemmings.",
">\n\nIt’s funny because I say the same thing every time about trump never getting charged and I always get shit about it like BUT NO THIS TIME IS DIFFERENT. \nLmao right. Sure it is.",
">\n\nFucking same. This is just more “ammo” for his orange, shit spewing mouth.",
">\n\nThis guy is still getting more media coverage than the current potus two years into his term. Crazy.",
">\n\nIt does blow that he wasn't forced to comply with the subpoena but for people thinking what a bummer this seems like, the house is switching to a republican majority in like a week so it didn't make a whole lot of sense to leave an active subpoena on record knowing it would never be resolved. They likely knew he wasn't going to comply when it was issued only now its offical that it was officially issued, ignored by trump, and terminated. Who knows if the DOJ will eventually file but everyone pretty much already knew that little temper tantrum trump wasn't going to aid in his own house sedition investigation.",
">\n\nIf we restrict ourselves to the issue of compliance with a subpoena from this committee, then the recent election clearly mooted every aspect of penalties or consequences related to ignoring the subpoena.\nIt's like a big brother was called over and little bro wanted him to force his adversary to bow and kiss the ground. But by the time big bro finally wanders over, the kid goes \"nah... we're good.\"\nA lot of folk like to believe contempt of court or contempt of congress is like any other crime where you do the deed and have to face the punishment. But, in general, these things do not work like crimes. Even where contempt has been codified such that there is a criminal contempt aspect, the goal remains to seek or to force compliance. This leads to \"punishments\" which are better or worse depending on how you view things. A simple view is that you could be \"sentenced\" to indefinite incarceration because it's a \"jailed until compliance\" thing.\nIn this case, Congress has been very, very reticent to try to use their inherent power to jail someone. So the most they ever do these days is refer the case to the DoJ to pursue criminal contempt of congress.\nAll in all, is this a \"good\" thing? Maybe it's not as bad as we feel it to be. Imagine any sort of argument where someone demands you do something. You retort \"are you sure?\" Bystanders urge folk cool down and think about it. Map that into the way Congress changes every two years and you get a sense that unless something is important enough that it remains after the public alters the composition of the legislative branch, maybe it's not all that important (to the public) after all.\nOn the other hand, why would anyone fear Congress when they demonstrate time and again there never really are any consequences for refusal to comply with subpoenas? But... do we want to quake in fear whenever some nutjob party gains control and enacts something as dire as the Committee on Unamerican Activities?",
">\n\nWhat is the advantage of dropping the subpoena, as opposed to just letting it expire/letting the new congress withdraw it? Why go on record saying he no longer has to come in? I get that he was never going to show, I’m just curious why this is better than the alternative.",
">\n\nI’m wondering this too. There has to be a good reason.",
">\n\n?? Why, like it had no power, but still why? This looks like weakness",
">\n\nThe subpoena expires when the new congress is sworn in on Jan 3rd. There was no practical way to enforce it.",
">\n\nWhy not just let it expire?\nNow Republicans have a talking point that the January 6th Committee withdrew their subpoena.\nThey'll use it to muddy the waters and spread more misinformation.",
">\n\nThey already had their talking points. They've had them the whole time. They already released a \"counter report\" to the J6 committee. The committee withdrew it because they are closing up shop. The report is out. Where would Donnie's answers go?",
">\n\nWhy was he not charged with contempt for no show? Once again, he gets let off for bad behaviour",
">\n\nBecause they referred him for 4 much more serious crimes with longer sentences. Referring him for this is essentially pointless.",
">\n\nYes, but i see it as another nail in the coffin, and also sends a message that subpoenas are not to be ignored",
">\n\nImagine if you or I tried to just ignore a subpoena.",
">\n\nIt’s OK if you’re a Republican, as the war criminal’s daughter who voted in line with Trump’s policies during her House tenure can attest.",
">\n\nAnother instance of unequal justice under the law, imo. If you or I disregarded a subpoena from Congress we'd be going to jail...like Steve Bannon.",
">\n\nDrag it out, do nothing, repeat. Glad the J6 group produced a ton of info and exposed a lot of the bs but what's the point of nothing really happens? Media circus? I'm so tired.",
">\n\nGreat precedent. It's good to know if I'm ever subpoenaed by congress I can just ignore it.",
">\n\nJ6 knew he'd puss out and just wanted to get it on the record. And for the same reason they haven't gone after Meadows for ignoring his subpoena, are all of the other serious crimes hanging over him and the orange Traitor in Chief, especially now, the subpoenas aren't worth the time and effort.",
">\n\n\nAnd for the same reason they haven't gone after Meadows for ignoring his subpoena\n\nTo be fair... the House voted him in criminal contempt and sent the referral to that to the DoJ. There wasn't really anything they could do beyond that with respect to his subpoena (yes, inherent contempt in theory exists, in practice it would have been useless for multiple reasons).\nMeadows is also included in the big criminal referrals the committee issued as part of their report as well.",
">\n\nAs usual, this country’s justice system is a joke",
">\n\nThis was a subpoena issued by the congress, not DOJ. He would be arrested if this was subpoena by DOJ and he didn’t show.",
">\n\nLike I said lol this country’s justice system is a joke",
">\n\nBut the justice system has not been involved yet!!! Congressional hearing is not an example of the justice system. The congress has referred the case to the DOJ or “the justice system” as a result of their hearing. DOJ will pursue a criminal investigation and pursue charges. \nJudiciary (justice system as you call it), congress, and executive branches are constitutionally separate and independent to ensure checks and balances.\nJustice system in the US is not ideal, but this specific instance is not an example of these inefficiencies. This is an example of how the congress has been ineffective in doing their legislative actions. In this instance the correct statement would be “Legislative system in this country is a joke.” Justice system has not had a chance to show its incompetence yet. That will be next.",
">\n\nNaive of you to think this is anything more than a show they’re putting on. Nothing will come of it, democrats are by nature pussies let’s be real. None have any teeth or claws. The right is full of a bunch of tribalistic monkeys, party is apparently more important than country. I guess I can rephrase, besides making money and being the best business in the world, America is a joke.",
">\n\n\"OMG. I'm so outraged by this even though I have no idea why.\"\nIt'd be nice if you guys learned the difference between the subpoena and the criminal referral. trump was never going to show up for the subpoena especially since the GOP is about to take control. It's a completely moot point.",
">\n\nExactly. The committee already referred him to the DoJ on criminal charges. Everyone is acting like they're just taking their ball and going home. They already went well and beyond a mere subpoena here, and one of the charges that they're recommending is obstruction already.",
">\n\nAren’t subpoenas mandatory with consequences? Either you show up or go to jail. Trump did neither.",
">\n\nNot if you are rich. Laws are you only for the the lower 90%",
">\n\nThis is such bullshit.",
">\n\nAnother precedent set for rich criminals to not comply. If we citizens didn’t show we’d be at a black site with electrodes on our genitals.",
">\n\nThey should have charged Trump with contempt of Congress.",
">\n\nSo whens the next uprising on behalf of rich people? Just be sure you're actually a political player because if you're just a worker you'll be charged. Chess has really changed over the past hundred years.",
">\n\nTotally expected. \nTrump, the really TV star, said he'd only agree to answer the subpoena if it were live & televised. It's quite obvious the reason is that he'd ignore the questioning & use the free air time to spew his BS, much like in the Presidential debates. \nAnd I'm sure the incoming Republican House would have loved to have given him the opportunity",
">\n\nyeah kinda moot at this point , they already made those criminal referrals anyways lol i wish they would have perused charging him for not showing up however but maybe they figured in light of everything they should focus on the key issues and at this point whatever he had to say really doesnt matter anyways as he would just lie. his testimony would pretty much be useless. its still a shame we didnt get to see it just for historys sake lol",
">\n\nAl trump would do is take the 5th like any other ordinary criminal",
">\n\nSo far as things have gone, will it now be ok for Democrats to ignore all the subpoenas that this next R House is going to send around? I’d think so….",
">\n\nOur government has failed us.... Good luck everyone.",
">\n\nAh yes the criminal Justice system, quite possibly the longest running joke in America",
">\n\n& you just know the cheeto will say something like, ha!, they dropped the subpoena cause they knew I am innocent, or some 💩 like that",
">\n\nNo surprise there. Trump is above the law, as he has proven time and again, over and over throughout the last several years. \nI will be surprised if anything comes out of this investigation, at all. \nI will be surprised if the next republican president isn't worse than Trump. \nI mean seriously, how do they convict him of anything if they can't even call him for questioning. Ever heard of anyone, ever, to get convicted of a crime that didn't have to talk to investigators at some point? \nFuck America. Fuck Trump. And fuck the pussy ass people who refuse to do their fucking job.",
">\n\nThey dropped it because it wasn't necessary and would have given him a national platform needlessly. DOJ will pass to the special council which will bring formal charges, if any will be brought.",
">\n\nThis is actually heartbreaking. Seen a lot of politicians and people of note show time and time again that the rules for EVERY CITIZEN don’t apply to them and this stings just a little more",
">\n\nMy theory that he is blackmailing everyone from the White House down with Area 51 malarky is still holding water...",
">\n\nLet us all start committing crimes and see how that goes, this is bs",
">\n\nSuch bs. I knew he would sleeze his way out of any consequences for his actions. This will only embolden him & his lunatic followers. He incites a riot that kills people & gets away with it. If any of us incited a riot, we would still be in jail & if people died during the riot, we would be charged with murder as well. So sick & tired of the double standard when it comes to a president who breaks the law & walks away, just like nixon did.",
">\n\nshould not have dropped\nshould have referred it to doj for contempt of congress...\nwhite rich continue to get a pass for what the rest of us would have long ago been prosecuted and imprisoned...",
">\n\nThey already referred him to DOJ for obstruction of a govt proceeding last week. What are you talking about?",
">\n\nYeah, because why would you want to subpoena the guy who was completely responsible for the entire thing?\nThe Chuck Schumer neoliberals have engineered this to completely let Trump get away with it - because they think the Republicans are still their friends and they don't want to piss them off!",
">\n\nThey subpoenaed trump months ago. He declined to show. Since, investigation is over, they dropped it. This is not even really news worthy.",
">\n\nHalf the people in this thread have no idea what they're talking about and are confusing the subpoena with the criminal referral.",
">\n\nOh, is that what's going on? Lol. I was wondering why ppl are making a big deal about this. This is just the committee cleaning up loose ends.",
">\n\nIt's a big deal if someone who's now a private citizen, can do wtf he wants and ignore a Congressional subpoena.",
">\n\nIt takes votes by congress to hold in contempt. They didn't need trump's testimony. He would just show up and repeat I plead the 5th anyway. Pence ignored his, too. It's pointless to hold them in contempt and get off focus of actual investigation.",
">\n\nYou're proving my point. Congressional Democrats should have enforced the subpoena and made Trump plead the 5th to every question. Imagine if Pence also appeared and pled the 5th to every question. That is political magic for the Democrats, it makes them look guilty as hell.\nTrump committed a crime, and this is America. It should be the same as if I committed a crime. We would get arrested, taken to jail until the morning, see a judge and face our charges, and then either get released on OR, held for trial, or bail set. It's not much of a democracy if laws are not enforced against powerful people.",
">\n\nOnce you all realize this is just a game and you’re the pawn things will make a lot more sense.",
">\n\nNow hear him cry about never getting a chance to testify when he’s charged.",
">\n\nI see this less as a “you’re excused” and more of a “see you in court”",
">\n\nNo need to bother with it when they've already finished their work. The only thing that testimony would have accomplished would have been getting Trump to look bad on national television, and a potential perjury charge. Trump already has embarrassed himself in public in a massive way since then, and they have bigger crimes to recommend to the DOJ for prosecution.",
">\n\nThe moment they announced the subpoena everyone got a hard on that trump would have to talk. I said it then and I’ll say it again, trump will never have to face any punishment and he doesn’t have to comply to any law or rules. They’re all more suggestions instead of laws.",
">\n\nWhat a waste of fucking time",
">\n\nSo......this was a big fat waste of time and money?",
">\n\nI mean they made a criminal referral so, no? The committee wasn’t set up to solely investigate Dolt 45 and took the testimony of over a thousand people, why is it you believe withdrawing one subpoena because the committee is winding down renders the entire process a “waste of time and money.”",
">\n\nNo mention on CNN that they dropped the subpoena after a year of January 6 January 6 January 6 terrible news station",
">\n\nWell, it’s being run by a Republican so go figure",
">\n\nTalk about the wheels of justice turning slow. In this case reversing altogether. Well done.",
">\n\nI wish this surprised me.",
">\n\nLOL God this is so funny\nWhat the fuck did y'all expect if you have money you are above the law. It only applies to the poor and those who step on the toes of capital.",
">\n\nWhat a waste of money",
">\n\n...And a Happy New Year!",
">\n\nClassic",
">\n\nShocking",
">\n\nOur governing body are a bunch of cowards. The US is being safeguarded by self-interested Congresspersons who speak about accountability and act on cowardice.",
">\n\nLet's be honest he'll get away with everything with a slap on the wrist. This country won't prosecute a sitting or former president or high ranking politician, we've seen this over and over. The whole committee is sadly a publicity stunt to gain traction for Democrat's. I hope I'm completely wrong of course and that this country will start to feel like it's a democracy.",
">\n\nThe coup is in effect.",
">\n\nI have a sad feeling this committee is going to end up like a fart in the wind",
">\n\nYou’re not wrong",
">\n\nWtf are you talking about?",
">\n\nHands",
">\n\nWho are you talking to? Lmao",
">\n\nWent out with a whimper. The most Democrat thing ever.\nWish the Dems would learn how to take the gloves off, at least they would have a shot against an opponent that has no problems filling their gloves with lead shot. Then bragging about it.",
">\n\nThe subpoena, and associated contempt charges would be nothing when compared to the recommendations made by the committee to the DOJ. Whether or not the DOJ will act is all that matters at this point.",
">\n\nPathetic pieces of shit",
">\n\nAll theatre, all the time. Seems like by now, to most people, that somehow being trolled by their favorite elected might be possible.",
">\n\nSo wait, he just gets away with everything? Just like that?\nWhat about all the articles saying that Trump will most likely spend the rest of his life in prison?"
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"So far Trump's legal strategy of ignoring calls for accountability until Republicans in Congress can bail him out is workingly flawlessly.",
">\n\nThat doesn’t mean the DoJ can’t charge and prosecute. \nRight now everything is in response to republicans getting their slim majority in the house and lessen the damage they will do.\nThat said, they still have the mountain of evidence they did gather",
">\n\nWhat about when the AG/DOJ is a GOP appointee? You don’t think they’ll just put in a Bill Barr type on the entire thing?",
">\n\nNot while they have a democratic president and especially when the previous president lost them the midterms.\nThey were already planning on replacing trump with Desantes by equating the 2 (Martha’s Vineyard was part of that), they’re only gonna lose trying to put their party’s future on the line protect him further.\nThey gonna continue to spread doubt and try to discredit the investigations, but they’re barely holding onto a branch of government, they’re not stupid. Barr only worked because they held onto 2",
">\n\nUmmm that’s not what I meant. If a GOP candidate for President wins in 2024 , what are the actual legal implications. It’s not like it’s below them to interfere like they did with the collusion charges",
">\n\n\nThe House January 6 committee is withdrawing its subpoena of former President Donald Trump as it concludes its work.\n“In light of the imminent end of our investigation, the Select Committee can no longer pursue the specific information covered by the subpoena,” Chairman Bennie Thompson, a Mississippi Democrat, wrote in a letter to Trump’s attorney Wednesday obtained by CNN.\n“Therefore, through this letter, I hereby formally withdraw the subpoena issued to former President Trump, and notify you that he is no longer obligated to comply or produce records in response to said subpoena,” Thompson added.",
">\n\nConclusion: Former president Trump is above the law.",
">\n\nYeah kind of makes me sad. Trump can just ignore a subpoena, with zero consequences. \n“We believe you tried to overthrow the government. You are legally required to come talk to us about it.”\n“No thanks.”\n“Oh. Ok, never mind.”",
">\n\nNo consequences? He's has been referred to the DOJ for obstruction of a govt processing last week. They held a recorded vote.",
">\n\nThat’s not a consequence. It’s kicking the can. Trump will never, ever be held responsible for his role in destroying democracy in America.",
">\n\nThis is not TV or a movie. \"The wheels of justice grind slowly yet exceedingly fine\" is a saying for a reason. Federal investigations usually take years.",
">\n\nHe’s been investigated for years. No consequences. Just special appointments, investigations, and referrals. In the mean time, you know who DOES face consequences?\nAmerica.",
">\n\nYou are judging the end of the movie before it is over.\nThe previous investigations were being done while he had the shield of the presidency and an attorney general running obstruction for him. None of that is true now.",
">\n\nThe GOP will continue fighting on his behalf, because the majority are complicit in 45’s fuckery. Again, no consequences will be had. I’m willing to wager a gift card to your favorite local restaurant that he will live fat, rich, and free until at least the 2024/25 inauguration. Save this post.",
">\n\nWe'll see about that. I'll admit to the loss if thats the case.",
">\n\nMore proof that we the people have no rights in comparison to the billionaire ticks.",
">\n\nDude ain't no billionaire",
">\n\nNo, but his buddies are.",
">\n\nHis puppet masters maybe",
">\n\nI mean, who would have thought not starting the fight sooner would end like this?",
">\n\nDon’t worry. He’s got so many more coming.",
">\n\nThe idea that Trump will pay any price for his crimes is a fantasy.",
">\n\nIt’s actually happening. His company has been found guilty. His charity is closed. His cohorts are about to go to jail. His popularity sagging. Protection is gone. We just need the first indictment.",
">\n\nBut none is him",
">\n\nWell Trump Org is pretty much him but be patient.",
">\n\nDrops in the bucket. \nBeen patient for like 6 years now. How much more we gotta wait?",
">\n\nHe couldn’t be prosecuted while president. Watch GA and the special prosecutor. They’re moving fast.",
">\n\nCouldn't be?\nShould have been.",
">\n\nThat’s absolutely wild that any man is able to just straight up ignore a subpoena with zero consequences. Definition of “above the law”. If he gets away with this, he is going to be more dangerous than ever. You get away with leading a coup/insurrection, you’re going to assume you can get away with literally anything. \nMaybe trump was right… he really could shoot someone in the middle of 5th avenue and not lose any voters…and also probably not even get in trouble",
">\n\nSerious questions...so the committee pull the subpoena, but it's up to DOJ for any additional follow up, but when the new congress is in session they can tell DOJ to drop everything? Is that how's its going to go down? Because I thought DOJ is supposed to be independent once given the committee's findings?",
">\n\nThe DOJ is certainly independent of Congress. As for the committee - the only thing they would've done differently was vote on a criminal referral for contempt of Congress. Although there is some truth to congressional contempt needing to stem from congress, The DOJ has no obligation to act on a referral - it is more akin to a recommendation.\nWith that being said, the committee knew it wasn't going to serve any real benefit, so they decided not to.\n\nThe DOJ decided not to prosecute Meadows and Scavino for contempt due to their close ties to the executive. This pretty much ruled out any chance of it happening to Trump, a former President. \nEven a completely successful referral (Steve Bannon) showed how inconsequential Congressional subpoena power is. For one, it is a misdemeanor. It has been ~15 months since Bannon was referred, and he was found guilty and sentenced, and he is still a free man pending appeal. And even if upheld, it's only 4 months in prison as just shy of maximum sentencing guidelines. \nThe DOJ, if they prosecute, are aiming at much bigger crimes - notably Obstruction of an Official Proceeding, which carries up to 20 years. And they'd be potentially trying these crimes in the same jurisdiction.\n\nSo I'm sure the calculation was that it just wasn't worth throwing a referral at the DOJ for something they'd never follow up on, and wouldn't be much benefit if they did.",
">\n\nIn summary, he’s committed so many crimes that this one isn’t worth any effort",
">\n\nEssentially, yeah. The DOJ has two big chances to secure a conviction: Mar-A-Lago and Jan. 6 - and they will likely bring multiple charges in a D.C. court if they decide to prosecute. Mar-A-Lago will come first, which has virtually nothing to do with this committee's work.\nReferring a misdemeanor to tack onto 4 serious felonies they referred probably only risked muddying the larger offenses. Can't blame them honestly.",
">\n\nWhat is “Mar a Lago” in this context! The tax scheme? Classified documents?",
">\n\nThe classified documents",
">\n\nSmall point but they weren't all classified and don't need to be, for what he did to be illegal. Just trying to avoid republican framing.",
">\n\nHillary was not afraid to testify every time she was asked (and testified for hours and hours each time, answering all questions asked) and never took the 5th. Yet republicans act like she is the criminal when it always has been trump.",
">\n\nEven if she was wrong she was smarter than any of the R in the room. That woman was a machine during those hearings and gave them nothing to work with.",
">\n\nShe is definitely smarter than that barrel of monkeys who questioned her, but ultimately, there was nothing to get from her - the perfect opposite case of crimey benedict donald and his co-conspirators.",
">\n\nIt's interesting to see that people think this subpoena would have continued to exist past Jan 3, 2023 given that that's when ALL open subpoenas from the outgoing congress expire and become null and void. Even if the J6 committee continued to exist- they would be required to file a brand new one in the new session.",
">\n\nIt wouldn't be that hard to file a brand new subpoena, they have lawyers who work full-time for them. That isn't an obstacle.",
">\n\nExcept for the committee doesn't exist in the new Congress and they have no powers to do anything if they don't exist.",
">\n\nIt's easy to get the two confused a lot of times.",
">\n\nHow many of y'all actually thought he wasn't going to run out the clock? \nNothing will fundamentally change.",
">\n\nNobody. The “justice takes time” chorus that dominated the narrative was only here to quell social unrest so society didn’t take a dive while the rich mocked us from their golden pedestals.",
">\n\nSerious question: Why? So what if the Dems lose power in the Congress. Let the Republicans be the one to formally dismantle the committee and subpoena on record. Then when hopefully Trump is charged by the DOJ, dems have another talking point for 2024 that the Republicans hate law and order and protect mob bosses.",
">\n\nThe select committee expires at the end of the congressional session. So they do not need to question him because the committee will not exist.",
">\n\nBut what is the point of formally withdrawing the subpoena? What does it accomplish?",
">\n\nThe committee is over. They have issued the report, they are closing up shop. They are following the process. A secondary part of the committees job was to show how a REAL congressional hearing should be handled. None of that sloppy ass grandstanding they did for Benghazi",
">\n\nMy viewpoint is that Trump and the GOP are just going to use this as “proof” that he did nothing wrong. Remember how the Mueller report “exonerated” Trump? His base believes this shit wholeheartedly and I guarantee he will use this as “evidence” for his innocence.\nShowing how things SHOULD be handled instead of taking whatever measures needed to protect Americans lead to Jan 6th happening in the first place. We all know how things should be handled, how the rules should work, but one side is willing to do whatever they need to keep power and the other is getting walked over.\nIs taking the high road worth letting fascism into our government?",
">\n\nIt’s good to know that republicans are allowed to ignore subpoenas. That’s useful info for them. Don’t expect dems to get that treatment",
">\n\nThey dropped the ball in not issuing one a couple of months ago",
">\n\nActually the Democrats have done everything not to ever pick up the ball even once. They let trump appointed republicans appoint a republican special counsel to fall like a straw man to blatant obstruction in the Russia probe. They turned it into a fundraiser for campaigning. \nThis time they let liz Cheney take the reins, who was able to preserve her republican prerogatives throughout this entire ordeal. \nThe fact is that you're all being cucked by forces of controlled opposition and I'm apparently the only one in the world who can't be so easily mitigated.\nI can't depend on any of you anymore than you can depend on yourselves.",
">\n\nYou lost all credibility at the end when you said cuck and act like you’re the smartest person in the world. Be gone!",
">\n\nYeah, I don't know how anyone can be expected to be taken seriously using that whole sentence unironically.",
">\n\nI don't expect to be taken seriously whether I say it or not, yet the facts remain as I've described.",
">\n\nI didn’t see that coming, said absolutely no one.",
">\n\nWhy.",
">\n\nHUGE mistake. The committee will be dissolved by the GOPers in a couple weeks, and all this did was to give the Marmalade Moses another fake victory to rile up his lemmings.",
">\n\nIt’s funny because I say the same thing every time about trump never getting charged and I always get shit about it like BUT NO THIS TIME IS DIFFERENT. \nLmao right. Sure it is.",
">\n\nFucking same. This is just more “ammo” for his orange, shit spewing mouth.",
">\n\nThis guy is still getting more media coverage than the current potus two years into his term. Crazy.",
">\n\nIt does blow that he wasn't forced to comply with the subpoena but for people thinking what a bummer this seems like, the house is switching to a republican majority in like a week so it didn't make a whole lot of sense to leave an active subpoena on record knowing it would never be resolved. They likely knew he wasn't going to comply when it was issued only now its offical that it was officially issued, ignored by trump, and terminated. Who knows if the DOJ will eventually file but everyone pretty much already knew that little temper tantrum trump wasn't going to aid in his own house sedition investigation.",
">\n\nIf we restrict ourselves to the issue of compliance with a subpoena from this committee, then the recent election clearly mooted every aspect of penalties or consequences related to ignoring the subpoena.\nIt's like a big brother was called over and little bro wanted him to force his adversary to bow and kiss the ground. But by the time big bro finally wanders over, the kid goes \"nah... we're good.\"\nA lot of folk like to believe contempt of court or contempt of congress is like any other crime where you do the deed and have to face the punishment. But, in general, these things do not work like crimes. Even where contempt has been codified such that there is a criminal contempt aspect, the goal remains to seek or to force compliance. This leads to \"punishments\" which are better or worse depending on how you view things. A simple view is that you could be \"sentenced\" to indefinite incarceration because it's a \"jailed until compliance\" thing.\nIn this case, Congress has been very, very reticent to try to use their inherent power to jail someone. So the most they ever do these days is refer the case to the DoJ to pursue criminal contempt of congress.\nAll in all, is this a \"good\" thing? Maybe it's not as bad as we feel it to be. Imagine any sort of argument where someone demands you do something. You retort \"are you sure?\" Bystanders urge folk cool down and think about it. Map that into the way Congress changes every two years and you get a sense that unless something is important enough that it remains after the public alters the composition of the legislative branch, maybe it's not all that important (to the public) after all.\nOn the other hand, why would anyone fear Congress when they demonstrate time and again there never really are any consequences for refusal to comply with subpoenas? But... do we want to quake in fear whenever some nutjob party gains control and enacts something as dire as the Committee on Unamerican Activities?",
">\n\nWhat is the advantage of dropping the subpoena, as opposed to just letting it expire/letting the new congress withdraw it? Why go on record saying he no longer has to come in? I get that he was never going to show, I’m just curious why this is better than the alternative.",
">\n\nI’m wondering this too. There has to be a good reason.",
">\n\n?? Why, like it had no power, but still why? This looks like weakness",
">\n\nThe subpoena expires when the new congress is sworn in on Jan 3rd. There was no practical way to enforce it.",
">\n\nWhy not just let it expire?\nNow Republicans have a talking point that the January 6th Committee withdrew their subpoena.\nThey'll use it to muddy the waters and spread more misinformation.",
">\n\nThey already had their talking points. They've had them the whole time. They already released a \"counter report\" to the J6 committee. The committee withdrew it because they are closing up shop. The report is out. Where would Donnie's answers go?",
">\n\nWhy was he not charged with contempt for no show? Once again, he gets let off for bad behaviour",
">\n\nBecause they referred him for 4 much more serious crimes with longer sentences. Referring him for this is essentially pointless.",
">\n\nYes, but i see it as another nail in the coffin, and also sends a message that subpoenas are not to be ignored",
">\n\nImagine if you or I tried to just ignore a subpoena.",
">\n\nIt’s OK if you’re a Republican, as the war criminal’s daughter who voted in line with Trump’s policies during her House tenure can attest.",
">\n\nAnother instance of unequal justice under the law, imo. If you or I disregarded a subpoena from Congress we'd be going to jail...like Steve Bannon.",
">\n\nDrag it out, do nothing, repeat. Glad the J6 group produced a ton of info and exposed a lot of the bs but what's the point of nothing really happens? Media circus? I'm so tired.",
">\n\nGreat precedent. It's good to know if I'm ever subpoenaed by congress I can just ignore it.",
">\n\nJ6 knew he'd puss out and just wanted to get it on the record. And for the same reason they haven't gone after Meadows for ignoring his subpoena, are all of the other serious crimes hanging over him and the orange Traitor in Chief, especially now, the subpoenas aren't worth the time and effort.",
">\n\n\nAnd for the same reason they haven't gone after Meadows for ignoring his subpoena\n\nTo be fair... the House voted him in criminal contempt and sent the referral to that to the DoJ. There wasn't really anything they could do beyond that with respect to his subpoena (yes, inherent contempt in theory exists, in practice it would have been useless for multiple reasons).\nMeadows is also included in the big criminal referrals the committee issued as part of their report as well.",
">\n\nAs usual, this country’s justice system is a joke",
">\n\nThis was a subpoena issued by the congress, not DOJ. He would be arrested if this was subpoena by DOJ and he didn’t show.",
">\n\nLike I said lol this country’s justice system is a joke",
">\n\nBut the justice system has not been involved yet!!! Congressional hearing is not an example of the justice system. The congress has referred the case to the DOJ or “the justice system” as a result of their hearing. DOJ will pursue a criminal investigation and pursue charges. \nJudiciary (justice system as you call it), congress, and executive branches are constitutionally separate and independent to ensure checks and balances.\nJustice system in the US is not ideal, but this specific instance is not an example of these inefficiencies. This is an example of how the congress has been ineffective in doing their legislative actions. In this instance the correct statement would be “Legislative system in this country is a joke.” Justice system has not had a chance to show its incompetence yet. That will be next.",
">\n\nNaive of you to think this is anything more than a show they’re putting on. Nothing will come of it, democrats are by nature pussies let’s be real. None have any teeth or claws. The right is full of a bunch of tribalistic monkeys, party is apparently more important than country. I guess I can rephrase, besides making money and being the best business in the world, America is a joke.",
">\n\n\"OMG. I'm so outraged by this even though I have no idea why.\"\nIt'd be nice if you guys learned the difference between the subpoena and the criminal referral. trump was never going to show up for the subpoena especially since the GOP is about to take control. It's a completely moot point.",
">\n\nExactly. The committee already referred him to the DoJ on criminal charges. Everyone is acting like they're just taking their ball and going home. They already went well and beyond a mere subpoena here, and one of the charges that they're recommending is obstruction already.",
">\n\nAren’t subpoenas mandatory with consequences? Either you show up or go to jail. Trump did neither.",
">\n\nNot if you are rich. Laws are you only for the the lower 90%",
">\n\nThis is such bullshit.",
">\n\nAnother precedent set for rich criminals to not comply. If we citizens didn’t show we’d be at a black site with electrodes on our genitals.",
">\n\nThey should have charged Trump with contempt of Congress.",
">\n\nSo whens the next uprising on behalf of rich people? Just be sure you're actually a political player because if you're just a worker you'll be charged. Chess has really changed over the past hundred years.",
">\n\nTotally expected. \nTrump, the really TV star, said he'd only agree to answer the subpoena if it were live & televised. It's quite obvious the reason is that he'd ignore the questioning & use the free air time to spew his BS, much like in the Presidential debates. \nAnd I'm sure the incoming Republican House would have loved to have given him the opportunity",
">\n\nyeah kinda moot at this point , they already made those criminal referrals anyways lol i wish they would have perused charging him for not showing up however but maybe they figured in light of everything they should focus on the key issues and at this point whatever he had to say really doesnt matter anyways as he would just lie. his testimony would pretty much be useless. its still a shame we didnt get to see it just for historys sake lol",
">\n\nAl trump would do is take the 5th like any other ordinary criminal",
">\n\nSo far as things have gone, will it now be ok for Democrats to ignore all the subpoenas that this next R House is going to send around? I’d think so….",
">\n\nOur government has failed us.... Good luck everyone.",
">\n\nAh yes the criminal Justice system, quite possibly the longest running joke in America",
">\n\n& you just know the cheeto will say something like, ha!, they dropped the subpoena cause they knew I am innocent, or some 💩 like that",
">\n\nNo surprise there. Trump is above the law, as he has proven time and again, over and over throughout the last several years. \nI will be surprised if anything comes out of this investigation, at all. \nI will be surprised if the next republican president isn't worse than Trump. \nI mean seriously, how do they convict him of anything if they can't even call him for questioning. Ever heard of anyone, ever, to get convicted of a crime that didn't have to talk to investigators at some point? \nFuck America. Fuck Trump. And fuck the pussy ass people who refuse to do their fucking job.",
">\n\nThey dropped it because it wasn't necessary and would have given him a national platform needlessly. DOJ will pass to the special council which will bring formal charges, if any will be brought.",
">\n\nThis is actually heartbreaking. Seen a lot of politicians and people of note show time and time again that the rules for EVERY CITIZEN don’t apply to them and this stings just a little more",
">\n\nMy theory that he is blackmailing everyone from the White House down with Area 51 malarky is still holding water...",
">\n\nLet us all start committing crimes and see how that goes, this is bs",
">\n\nSuch bs. I knew he would sleeze his way out of any consequences for his actions. This will only embolden him & his lunatic followers. He incites a riot that kills people & gets away with it. If any of us incited a riot, we would still be in jail & if people died during the riot, we would be charged with murder as well. So sick & tired of the double standard when it comes to a president who breaks the law & walks away, just like nixon did.",
">\n\nshould not have dropped\nshould have referred it to doj for contempt of congress...\nwhite rich continue to get a pass for what the rest of us would have long ago been prosecuted and imprisoned...",
">\n\nThey already referred him to DOJ for obstruction of a govt proceeding last week. What are you talking about?",
">\n\nYeah, because why would you want to subpoena the guy who was completely responsible for the entire thing?\nThe Chuck Schumer neoliberals have engineered this to completely let Trump get away with it - because they think the Republicans are still their friends and they don't want to piss them off!",
">\n\nThey subpoenaed trump months ago. He declined to show. Since, investigation is over, they dropped it. This is not even really news worthy.",
">\n\nHalf the people in this thread have no idea what they're talking about and are confusing the subpoena with the criminal referral.",
">\n\nOh, is that what's going on? Lol. I was wondering why ppl are making a big deal about this. This is just the committee cleaning up loose ends.",
">\n\nIt's a big deal if someone who's now a private citizen, can do wtf he wants and ignore a Congressional subpoena.",
">\n\nIt takes votes by congress to hold in contempt. They didn't need trump's testimony. He would just show up and repeat I plead the 5th anyway. Pence ignored his, too. It's pointless to hold them in contempt and get off focus of actual investigation.",
">\n\nYou're proving my point. Congressional Democrats should have enforced the subpoena and made Trump plead the 5th to every question. Imagine if Pence also appeared and pled the 5th to every question. That is political magic for the Democrats, it makes them look guilty as hell.\nTrump committed a crime, and this is America. It should be the same as if I committed a crime. We would get arrested, taken to jail until the morning, see a judge and face our charges, and then either get released on OR, held for trial, or bail set. It's not much of a democracy if laws are not enforced against powerful people.",
">\n\nOnce you all realize this is just a game and you’re the pawn things will make a lot more sense.",
">\n\nNow hear him cry about never getting a chance to testify when he’s charged.",
">\n\nI see this less as a “you’re excused” and more of a “see you in court”",
">\n\nNo need to bother with it when they've already finished their work. The only thing that testimony would have accomplished would have been getting Trump to look bad on national television, and a potential perjury charge. Trump already has embarrassed himself in public in a massive way since then, and they have bigger crimes to recommend to the DOJ for prosecution.",
">\n\nThe moment they announced the subpoena everyone got a hard on that trump would have to talk. I said it then and I’ll say it again, trump will never have to face any punishment and he doesn’t have to comply to any law or rules. They’re all more suggestions instead of laws.",
">\n\nWhat a waste of fucking time",
">\n\nSo......this was a big fat waste of time and money?",
">\n\nI mean they made a criminal referral so, no? The committee wasn’t set up to solely investigate Dolt 45 and took the testimony of over a thousand people, why is it you believe withdrawing one subpoena because the committee is winding down renders the entire process a “waste of time and money.”",
">\n\nNo mention on CNN that they dropped the subpoena after a year of January 6 January 6 January 6 terrible news station",
">\n\nWell, it’s being run by a Republican so go figure",
">\n\nTalk about the wheels of justice turning slow. In this case reversing altogether. Well done.",
">\n\nI wish this surprised me.",
">\n\nLOL God this is so funny\nWhat the fuck did y'all expect if you have money you are above the law. It only applies to the poor and those who step on the toes of capital.",
">\n\nWhat a waste of money",
">\n\n...And a Happy New Year!",
">\n\nClassic",
">\n\nShocking",
">\n\nOur governing body are a bunch of cowards. The US is being safeguarded by self-interested Congresspersons who speak about accountability and act on cowardice.",
">\n\nLet's be honest he'll get away with everything with a slap on the wrist. This country won't prosecute a sitting or former president or high ranking politician, we've seen this over and over. The whole committee is sadly a publicity stunt to gain traction for Democrat's. I hope I'm completely wrong of course and that this country will start to feel like it's a democracy.",
">\n\nThe coup is in effect.",
">\n\nI have a sad feeling this committee is going to end up like a fart in the wind",
">\n\nYou’re not wrong",
">\n\nWtf are you talking about?",
">\n\nHands",
">\n\nWho are you talking to? Lmao",
">\n\nWent out with a whimper. The most Democrat thing ever.\nWish the Dems would learn how to take the gloves off, at least they would have a shot against an opponent that has no problems filling their gloves with lead shot. Then bragging about it.",
">\n\nThe subpoena, and associated contempt charges would be nothing when compared to the recommendations made by the committee to the DOJ. Whether or not the DOJ will act is all that matters at this point.",
">\n\nPathetic pieces of shit",
">\n\nAll theatre, all the time. Seems like by now, to most people, that somehow being trolled by their favorite elected might be possible.",
">\n\nSo wait, he just gets away with everything? Just like that?\nWhat about all the articles saying that Trump will most likely spend the rest of his life in prison?",
">\n\nThe subpoena has nothing to do with the recommendations made by the committee to the DOJ. The ball is in the DOJ’s court. The subpoena doesn’t impact anything. Absurd that he didn’t get held in contempt, but that is more of a distraction than anything."
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Can anyone explain why he was not arrested for not responding to the subpoena? I thought you had to respond to these?
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"So far Trump's legal strategy of ignoring calls for accountability until Republicans in Congress can bail him out is workingly flawlessly.",
">\n\nThat doesn’t mean the DoJ can’t charge and prosecute. \nRight now everything is in response to republicans getting their slim majority in the house and lessen the damage they will do.\nThat said, they still have the mountain of evidence they did gather",
">\n\nWhat about when the AG/DOJ is a GOP appointee? You don’t think they’ll just put in a Bill Barr type on the entire thing?",
">\n\nNot while they have a democratic president and especially when the previous president lost them the midterms.\nThey were already planning on replacing trump with Desantes by equating the 2 (Martha’s Vineyard was part of that), they’re only gonna lose trying to put their party’s future on the line protect him further.\nThey gonna continue to spread doubt and try to discredit the investigations, but they’re barely holding onto a branch of government, they’re not stupid. Barr only worked because they held onto 2",
">\n\nUmmm that’s not what I meant. If a GOP candidate for President wins in 2024 , what are the actual legal implications. It’s not like it’s below them to interfere like they did with the collusion charges",
">\n\n\nThe House January 6 committee is withdrawing its subpoena of former President Donald Trump as it concludes its work.\n“In light of the imminent end of our investigation, the Select Committee can no longer pursue the specific information covered by the subpoena,” Chairman Bennie Thompson, a Mississippi Democrat, wrote in a letter to Trump’s attorney Wednesday obtained by CNN.\n“Therefore, through this letter, I hereby formally withdraw the subpoena issued to former President Trump, and notify you that he is no longer obligated to comply or produce records in response to said subpoena,” Thompson added.",
">\n\nConclusion: Former president Trump is above the law.",
">\n\nYeah kind of makes me sad. Trump can just ignore a subpoena, with zero consequences. \n“We believe you tried to overthrow the government. You are legally required to come talk to us about it.”\n“No thanks.”\n“Oh. Ok, never mind.”",
">\n\nNo consequences? He's has been referred to the DOJ for obstruction of a govt processing last week. They held a recorded vote.",
">\n\nThat’s not a consequence. It’s kicking the can. Trump will never, ever be held responsible for his role in destroying democracy in America.",
">\n\nThis is not TV or a movie. \"The wheels of justice grind slowly yet exceedingly fine\" is a saying for a reason. Federal investigations usually take years.",
">\n\nHe’s been investigated for years. No consequences. Just special appointments, investigations, and referrals. In the mean time, you know who DOES face consequences?\nAmerica.",
">\n\nYou are judging the end of the movie before it is over.\nThe previous investigations were being done while he had the shield of the presidency and an attorney general running obstruction for him. None of that is true now.",
">\n\nThe GOP will continue fighting on his behalf, because the majority are complicit in 45’s fuckery. Again, no consequences will be had. I’m willing to wager a gift card to your favorite local restaurant that he will live fat, rich, and free until at least the 2024/25 inauguration. Save this post.",
">\n\nWe'll see about that. I'll admit to the loss if thats the case.",
">\n\nMore proof that we the people have no rights in comparison to the billionaire ticks.",
">\n\nDude ain't no billionaire",
">\n\nNo, but his buddies are.",
">\n\nHis puppet masters maybe",
">\n\nI mean, who would have thought not starting the fight sooner would end like this?",
">\n\nDon’t worry. He’s got so many more coming.",
">\n\nThe idea that Trump will pay any price for his crimes is a fantasy.",
">\n\nIt’s actually happening. His company has been found guilty. His charity is closed. His cohorts are about to go to jail. His popularity sagging. Protection is gone. We just need the first indictment.",
">\n\nBut none is him",
">\n\nWell Trump Org is pretty much him but be patient.",
">\n\nDrops in the bucket. \nBeen patient for like 6 years now. How much more we gotta wait?",
">\n\nHe couldn’t be prosecuted while president. Watch GA and the special prosecutor. They’re moving fast.",
">\n\nCouldn't be?\nShould have been.",
">\n\nThat’s absolutely wild that any man is able to just straight up ignore a subpoena with zero consequences. Definition of “above the law”. If he gets away with this, he is going to be more dangerous than ever. You get away with leading a coup/insurrection, you’re going to assume you can get away with literally anything. \nMaybe trump was right… he really could shoot someone in the middle of 5th avenue and not lose any voters…and also probably not even get in trouble",
">\n\nSerious questions...so the committee pull the subpoena, but it's up to DOJ for any additional follow up, but when the new congress is in session they can tell DOJ to drop everything? Is that how's its going to go down? Because I thought DOJ is supposed to be independent once given the committee's findings?",
">\n\nThe DOJ is certainly independent of Congress. As for the committee - the only thing they would've done differently was vote on a criminal referral for contempt of Congress. Although there is some truth to congressional contempt needing to stem from congress, The DOJ has no obligation to act on a referral - it is more akin to a recommendation.\nWith that being said, the committee knew it wasn't going to serve any real benefit, so they decided not to.\n\nThe DOJ decided not to prosecute Meadows and Scavino for contempt due to their close ties to the executive. This pretty much ruled out any chance of it happening to Trump, a former President. \nEven a completely successful referral (Steve Bannon) showed how inconsequential Congressional subpoena power is. For one, it is a misdemeanor. It has been ~15 months since Bannon was referred, and he was found guilty and sentenced, and he is still a free man pending appeal. And even if upheld, it's only 4 months in prison as just shy of maximum sentencing guidelines. \nThe DOJ, if they prosecute, are aiming at much bigger crimes - notably Obstruction of an Official Proceeding, which carries up to 20 years. And they'd be potentially trying these crimes in the same jurisdiction.\n\nSo I'm sure the calculation was that it just wasn't worth throwing a referral at the DOJ for something they'd never follow up on, and wouldn't be much benefit if they did.",
">\n\nIn summary, he’s committed so many crimes that this one isn’t worth any effort",
">\n\nEssentially, yeah. The DOJ has two big chances to secure a conviction: Mar-A-Lago and Jan. 6 - and they will likely bring multiple charges in a D.C. court if they decide to prosecute. Mar-A-Lago will come first, which has virtually nothing to do with this committee's work.\nReferring a misdemeanor to tack onto 4 serious felonies they referred probably only risked muddying the larger offenses. Can't blame them honestly.",
">\n\nWhat is “Mar a Lago” in this context! The tax scheme? Classified documents?",
">\n\nThe classified documents",
">\n\nSmall point but they weren't all classified and don't need to be, for what he did to be illegal. Just trying to avoid republican framing.",
">\n\nHillary was not afraid to testify every time she was asked (and testified for hours and hours each time, answering all questions asked) and never took the 5th. Yet republicans act like she is the criminal when it always has been trump.",
">\n\nEven if she was wrong she was smarter than any of the R in the room. That woman was a machine during those hearings and gave them nothing to work with.",
">\n\nShe is definitely smarter than that barrel of monkeys who questioned her, but ultimately, there was nothing to get from her - the perfect opposite case of crimey benedict donald and his co-conspirators.",
">\n\nIt's interesting to see that people think this subpoena would have continued to exist past Jan 3, 2023 given that that's when ALL open subpoenas from the outgoing congress expire and become null and void. Even if the J6 committee continued to exist- they would be required to file a brand new one in the new session.",
">\n\nIt wouldn't be that hard to file a brand new subpoena, they have lawyers who work full-time for them. That isn't an obstacle.",
">\n\nExcept for the committee doesn't exist in the new Congress and they have no powers to do anything if they don't exist.",
">\n\nIt's easy to get the two confused a lot of times.",
">\n\nHow many of y'all actually thought he wasn't going to run out the clock? \nNothing will fundamentally change.",
">\n\nNobody. The “justice takes time” chorus that dominated the narrative was only here to quell social unrest so society didn’t take a dive while the rich mocked us from their golden pedestals.",
">\n\nSerious question: Why? So what if the Dems lose power in the Congress. Let the Republicans be the one to formally dismantle the committee and subpoena on record. Then when hopefully Trump is charged by the DOJ, dems have another talking point for 2024 that the Republicans hate law and order and protect mob bosses.",
">\n\nThe select committee expires at the end of the congressional session. So they do not need to question him because the committee will not exist.",
">\n\nBut what is the point of formally withdrawing the subpoena? What does it accomplish?",
">\n\nThe committee is over. They have issued the report, they are closing up shop. They are following the process. A secondary part of the committees job was to show how a REAL congressional hearing should be handled. None of that sloppy ass grandstanding they did for Benghazi",
">\n\nMy viewpoint is that Trump and the GOP are just going to use this as “proof” that he did nothing wrong. Remember how the Mueller report “exonerated” Trump? His base believes this shit wholeheartedly and I guarantee he will use this as “evidence” for his innocence.\nShowing how things SHOULD be handled instead of taking whatever measures needed to protect Americans lead to Jan 6th happening in the first place. We all know how things should be handled, how the rules should work, but one side is willing to do whatever they need to keep power and the other is getting walked over.\nIs taking the high road worth letting fascism into our government?",
">\n\nIt’s good to know that republicans are allowed to ignore subpoenas. That’s useful info for them. Don’t expect dems to get that treatment",
">\n\nThey dropped the ball in not issuing one a couple of months ago",
">\n\nActually the Democrats have done everything not to ever pick up the ball even once. They let trump appointed republicans appoint a republican special counsel to fall like a straw man to blatant obstruction in the Russia probe. They turned it into a fundraiser for campaigning. \nThis time they let liz Cheney take the reins, who was able to preserve her republican prerogatives throughout this entire ordeal. \nThe fact is that you're all being cucked by forces of controlled opposition and I'm apparently the only one in the world who can't be so easily mitigated.\nI can't depend on any of you anymore than you can depend on yourselves.",
">\n\nYou lost all credibility at the end when you said cuck and act like you’re the smartest person in the world. Be gone!",
">\n\nYeah, I don't know how anyone can be expected to be taken seriously using that whole sentence unironically.",
">\n\nI don't expect to be taken seriously whether I say it or not, yet the facts remain as I've described.",
">\n\nI didn’t see that coming, said absolutely no one.",
">\n\nWhy.",
">\n\nHUGE mistake. The committee will be dissolved by the GOPers in a couple weeks, and all this did was to give the Marmalade Moses another fake victory to rile up his lemmings.",
">\n\nIt’s funny because I say the same thing every time about trump never getting charged and I always get shit about it like BUT NO THIS TIME IS DIFFERENT. \nLmao right. Sure it is.",
">\n\nFucking same. This is just more “ammo” for his orange, shit spewing mouth.",
">\n\nThis guy is still getting more media coverage than the current potus two years into his term. Crazy.",
">\n\nIt does blow that he wasn't forced to comply with the subpoena but for people thinking what a bummer this seems like, the house is switching to a republican majority in like a week so it didn't make a whole lot of sense to leave an active subpoena on record knowing it would never be resolved. They likely knew he wasn't going to comply when it was issued only now its offical that it was officially issued, ignored by trump, and terminated. Who knows if the DOJ will eventually file but everyone pretty much already knew that little temper tantrum trump wasn't going to aid in his own house sedition investigation.",
">\n\nIf we restrict ourselves to the issue of compliance with a subpoena from this committee, then the recent election clearly mooted every aspect of penalties or consequences related to ignoring the subpoena.\nIt's like a big brother was called over and little bro wanted him to force his adversary to bow and kiss the ground. But by the time big bro finally wanders over, the kid goes \"nah... we're good.\"\nA lot of folk like to believe contempt of court or contempt of congress is like any other crime where you do the deed and have to face the punishment. But, in general, these things do not work like crimes. Even where contempt has been codified such that there is a criminal contempt aspect, the goal remains to seek or to force compliance. This leads to \"punishments\" which are better or worse depending on how you view things. A simple view is that you could be \"sentenced\" to indefinite incarceration because it's a \"jailed until compliance\" thing.\nIn this case, Congress has been very, very reticent to try to use their inherent power to jail someone. So the most they ever do these days is refer the case to the DoJ to pursue criminal contempt of congress.\nAll in all, is this a \"good\" thing? Maybe it's not as bad as we feel it to be. Imagine any sort of argument where someone demands you do something. You retort \"are you sure?\" Bystanders urge folk cool down and think about it. Map that into the way Congress changes every two years and you get a sense that unless something is important enough that it remains after the public alters the composition of the legislative branch, maybe it's not all that important (to the public) after all.\nOn the other hand, why would anyone fear Congress when they demonstrate time and again there never really are any consequences for refusal to comply with subpoenas? But... do we want to quake in fear whenever some nutjob party gains control and enacts something as dire as the Committee on Unamerican Activities?",
">\n\nWhat is the advantage of dropping the subpoena, as opposed to just letting it expire/letting the new congress withdraw it? Why go on record saying he no longer has to come in? I get that he was never going to show, I’m just curious why this is better than the alternative.",
">\n\nI’m wondering this too. There has to be a good reason.",
">\n\n?? Why, like it had no power, but still why? This looks like weakness",
">\n\nThe subpoena expires when the new congress is sworn in on Jan 3rd. There was no practical way to enforce it.",
">\n\nWhy not just let it expire?\nNow Republicans have a talking point that the January 6th Committee withdrew their subpoena.\nThey'll use it to muddy the waters and spread more misinformation.",
">\n\nThey already had their talking points. They've had them the whole time. They already released a \"counter report\" to the J6 committee. The committee withdrew it because they are closing up shop. The report is out. Where would Donnie's answers go?",
">\n\nWhy was he not charged with contempt for no show? Once again, he gets let off for bad behaviour",
">\n\nBecause they referred him for 4 much more serious crimes with longer sentences. Referring him for this is essentially pointless.",
">\n\nYes, but i see it as another nail in the coffin, and also sends a message that subpoenas are not to be ignored",
">\n\nImagine if you or I tried to just ignore a subpoena.",
">\n\nIt’s OK if you’re a Republican, as the war criminal’s daughter who voted in line with Trump’s policies during her House tenure can attest.",
">\n\nAnother instance of unequal justice under the law, imo. If you or I disregarded a subpoena from Congress we'd be going to jail...like Steve Bannon.",
">\n\nDrag it out, do nothing, repeat. Glad the J6 group produced a ton of info and exposed a lot of the bs but what's the point of nothing really happens? Media circus? I'm so tired.",
">\n\nGreat precedent. It's good to know if I'm ever subpoenaed by congress I can just ignore it.",
">\n\nJ6 knew he'd puss out and just wanted to get it on the record. And for the same reason they haven't gone after Meadows for ignoring his subpoena, are all of the other serious crimes hanging over him and the orange Traitor in Chief, especially now, the subpoenas aren't worth the time and effort.",
">\n\n\nAnd for the same reason they haven't gone after Meadows for ignoring his subpoena\n\nTo be fair... the House voted him in criminal contempt and sent the referral to that to the DoJ. There wasn't really anything they could do beyond that with respect to his subpoena (yes, inherent contempt in theory exists, in practice it would have been useless for multiple reasons).\nMeadows is also included in the big criminal referrals the committee issued as part of their report as well.",
">\n\nAs usual, this country’s justice system is a joke",
">\n\nThis was a subpoena issued by the congress, not DOJ. He would be arrested if this was subpoena by DOJ and he didn’t show.",
">\n\nLike I said lol this country’s justice system is a joke",
">\n\nBut the justice system has not been involved yet!!! Congressional hearing is not an example of the justice system. The congress has referred the case to the DOJ or “the justice system” as a result of their hearing. DOJ will pursue a criminal investigation and pursue charges. \nJudiciary (justice system as you call it), congress, and executive branches are constitutionally separate and independent to ensure checks and balances.\nJustice system in the US is not ideal, but this specific instance is not an example of these inefficiencies. This is an example of how the congress has been ineffective in doing their legislative actions. In this instance the correct statement would be “Legislative system in this country is a joke.” Justice system has not had a chance to show its incompetence yet. That will be next.",
">\n\nNaive of you to think this is anything more than a show they’re putting on. Nothing will come of it, democrats are by nature pussies let’s be real. None have any teeth or claws. The right is full of a bunch of tribalistic monkeys, party is apparently more important than country. I guess I can rephrase, besides making money and being the best business in the world, America is a joke.",
">\n\n\"OMG. I'm so outraged by this even though I have no idea why.\"\nIt'd be nice if you guys learned the difference between the subpoena and the criminal referral. trump was never going to show up for the subpoena especially since the GOP is about to take control. It's a completely moot point.",
">\n\nExactly. The committee already referred him to the DoJ on criminal charges. Everyone is acting like they're just taking their ball and going home. They already went well and beyond a mere subpoena here, and one of the charges that they're recommending is obstruction already.",
">\n\nAren’t subpoenas mandatory with consequences? Either you show up or go to jail. Trump did neither.",
">\n\nNot if you are rich. Laws are you only for the the lower 90%",
">\n\nThis is such bullshit.",
">\n\nAnother precedent set for rich criminals to not comply. If we citizens didn’t show we’d be at a black site with electrodes on our genitals.",
">\n\nThey should have charged Trump with contempt of Congress.",
">\n\nSo whens the next uprising on behalf of rich people? Just be sure you're actually a political player because if you're just a worker you'll be charged. Chess has really changed over the past hundred years.",
">\n\nTotally expected. \nTrump, the really TV star, said he'd only agree to answer the subpoena if it were live & televised. It's quite obvious the reason is that he'd ignore the questioning & use the free air time to spew his BS, much like in the Presidential debates. \nAnd I'm sure the incoming Republican House would have loved to have given him the opportunity",
">\n\nyeah kinda moot at this point , they already made those criminal referrals anyways lol i wish they would have perused charging him for not showing up however but maybe they figured in light of everything they should focus on the key issues and at this point whatever he had to say really doesnt matter anyways as he would just lie. his testimony would pretty much be useless. its still a shame we didnt get to see it just for historys sake lol",
">\n\nAl trump would do is take the 5th like any other ordinary criminal",
">\n\nSo far as things have gone, will it now be ok for Democrats to ignore all the subpoenas that this next R House is going to send around? I’d think so….",
">\n\nOur government has failed us.... Good luck everyone.",
">\n\nAh yes the criminal Justice system, quite possibly the longest running joke in America",
">\n\n& you just know the cheeto will say something like, ha!, they dropped the subpoena cause they knew I am innocent, or some 💩 like that",
">\n\nNo surprise there. Trump is above the law, as he has proven time and again, over and over throughout the last several years. \nI will be surprised if anything comes out of this investigation, at all. \nI will be surprised if the next republican president isn't worse than Trump. \nI mean seriously, how do they convict him of anything if they can't even call him for questioning. Ever heard of anyone, ever, to get convicted of a crime that didn't have to talk to investigators at some point? \nFuck America. Fuck Trump. And fuck the pussy ass people who refuse to do their fucking job.",
">\n\nThey dropped it because it wasn't necessary and would have given him a national platform needlessly. DOJ will pass to the special council which will bring formal charges, if any will be brought.",
">\n\nThis is actually heartbreaking. Seen a lot of politicians and people of note show time and time again that the rules for EVERY CITIZEN don’t apply to them and this stings just a little more",
">\n\nMy theory that he is blackmailing everyone from the White House down with Area 51 malarky is still holding water...",
">\n\nLet us all start committing crimes and see how that goes, this is bs",
">\n\nSuch bs. I knew he would sleeze his way out of any consequences for his actions. This will only embolden him & his lunatic followers. He incites a riot that kills people & gets away with it. If any of us incited a riot, we would still be in jail & if people died during the riot, we would be charged with murder as well. So sick & tired of the double standard when it comes to a president who breaks the law & walks away, just like nixon did.",
">\n\nshould not have dropped\nshould have referred it to doj for contempt of congress...\nwhite rich continue to get a pass for what the rest of us would have long ago been prosecuted and imprisoned...",
">\n\nThey already referred him to DOJ for obstruction of a govt proceeding last week. What are you talking about?",
">\n\nYeah, because why would you want to subpoena the guy who was completely responsible for the entire thing?\nThe Chuck Schumer neoliberals have engineered this to completely let Trump get away with it - because they think the Republicans are still their friends and they don't want to piss them off!",
">\n\nThey subpoenaed trump months ago. He declined to show. Since, investigation is over, they dropped it. This is not even really news worthy.",
">\n\nHalf the people in this thread have no idea what they're talking about and are confusing the subpoena with the criminal referral.",
">\n\nOh, is that what's going on? Lol. I was wondering why ppl are making a big deal about this. This is just the committee cleaning up loose ends.",
">\n\nIt's a big deal if someone who's now a private citizen, can do wtf he wants and ignore a Congressional subpoena.",
">\n\nIt takes votes by congress to hold in contempt. They didn't need trump's testimony. He would just show up and repeat I plead the 5th anyway. Pence ignored his, too. It's pointless to hold them in contempt and get off focus of actual investigation.",
">\n\nYou're proving my point. Congressional Democrats should have enforced the subpoena and made Trump plead the 5th to every question. Imagine if Pence also appeared and pled the 5th to every question. That is political magic for the Democrats, it makes them look guilty as hell.\nTrump committed a crime, and this is America. It should be the same as if I committed a crime. We would get arrested, taken to jail until the morning, see a judge and face our charges, and then either get released on OR, held for trial, or bail set. It's not much of a democracy if laws are not enforced against powerful people.",
">\n\nOnce you all realize this is just a game and you’re the pawn things will make a lot more sense.",
">\n\nNow hear him cry about never getting a chance to testify when he’s charged.",
">\n\nI see this less as a “you’re excused” and more of a “see you in court”",
">\n\nNo need to bother with it when they've already finished their work. The only thing that testimony would have accomplished would have been getting Trump to look bad on national television, and a potential perjury charge. Trump already has embarrassed himself in public in a massive way since then, and they have bigger crimes to recommend to the DOJ for prosecution.",
">\n\nThe moment they announced the subpoena everyone got a hard on that trump would have to talk. I said it then and I’ll say it again, trump will never have to face any punishment and he doesn’t have to comply to any law or rules. They’re all more suggestions instead of laws.",
">\n\nWhat a waste of fucking time",
">\n\nSo......this was a big fat waste of time and money?",
">\n\nI mean they made a criminal referral so, no? The committee wasn’t set up to solely investigate Dolt 45 and took the testimony of over a thousand people, why is it you believe withdrawing one subpoena because the committee is winding down renders the entire process a “waste of time and money.”",
">\n\nNo mention on CNN that they dropped the subpoena after a year of January 6 January 6 January 6 terrible news station",
">\n\nWell, it’s being run by a Republican so go figure",
">\n\nTalk about the wheels of justice turning slow. In this case reversing altogether. Well done.",
">\n\nI wish this surprised me.",
">\n\nLOL God this is so funny\nWhat the fuck did y'all expect if you have money you are above the law. It only applies to the poor and those who step on the toes of capital.",
">\n\nWhat a waste of money",
">\n\n...And a Happy New Year!",
">\n\nClassic",
">\n\nShocking",
">\n\nOur governing body are a bunch of cowards. The US is being safeguarded by self-interested Congresspersons who speak about accountability and act on cowardice.",
">\n\nLet's be honest he'll get away with everything with a slap on the wrist. This country won't prosecute a sitting or former president or high ranking politician, we've seen this over and over. The whole committee is sadly a publicity stunt to gain traction for Democrat's. I hope I'm completely wrong of course and that this country will start to feel like it's a democracy.",
">\n\nThe coup is in effect.",
">\n\nI have a sad feeling this committee is going to end up like a fart in the wind",
">\n\nYou’re not wrong",
">\n\nWtf are you talking about?",
">\n\nHands",
">\n\nWho are you talking to? Lmao",
">\n\nWent out with a whimper. The most Democrat thing ever.\nWish the Dems would learn how to take the gloves off, at least they would have a shot against an opponent that has no problems filling their gloves with lead shot. Then bragging about it.",
">\n\nThe subpoena, and associated contempt charges would be nothing when compared to the recommendations made by the committee to the DOJ. Whether or not the DOJ will act is all that matters at this point.",
">\n\nPathetic pieces of shit",
">\n\nAll theatre, all the time. Seems like by now, to most people, that somehow being trolled by their favorite elected might be possible.",
">\n\nSo wait, he just gets away with everything? Just like that?\nWhat about all the articles saying that Trump will most likely spend the rest of his life in prison?",
">\n\nThe subpoena has nothing to do with the recommendations made by the committee to the DOJ. The ball is in the DOJ’s court. The subpoena doesn’t impact anything. Absurd that he didn’t get held in contempt, but that is more of a distraction than anything.",
">\n\nI see. Thanks for explaining!"
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First they would have had to vote for contempt. Then they would need to issue a referral to DOJ, then DOJ would need to consider it. That is not happening in a week before the new congress is sworn in an this committee expires. They have issued their report and no longer need to speak to him. That is why it was withdrawn. Their job is done.
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"So far Trump's legal strategy of ignoring calls for accountability until Republicans in Congress can bail him out is workingly flawlessly.",
">\n\nThat doesn’t mean the DoJ can’t charge and prosecute. \nRight now everything is in response to republicans getting their slim majority in the house and lessen the damage they will do.\nThat said, they still have the mountain of evidence they did gather",
">\n\nWhat about when the AG/DOJ is a GOP appointee? You don’t think they’ll just put in a Bill Barr type on the entire thing?",
">\n\nNot while they have a democratic president and especially when the previous president lost them the midterms.\nThey were already planning on replacing trump with Desantes by equating the 2 (Martha’s Vineyard was part of that), they’re only gonna lose trying to put their party’s future on the line protect him further.\nThey gonna continue to spread doubt and try to discredit the investigations, but they’re barely holding onto a branch of government, they’re not stupid. Barr only worked because they held onto 2",
">\n\nUmmm that’s not what I meant. If a GOP candidate for President wins in 2024 , what are the actual legal implications. It’s not like it’s below them to interfere like they did with the collusion charges",
">\n\n\nThe House January 6 committee is withdrawing its subpoena of former President Donald Trump as it concludes its work.\n“In light of the imminent end of our investigation, the Select Committee can no longer pursue the specific information covered by the subpoena,” Chairman Bennie Thompson, a Mississippi Democrat, wrote in a letter to Trump’s attorney Wednesday obtained by CNN.\n“Therefore, through this letter, I hereby formally withdraw the subpoena issued to former President Trump, and notify you that he is no longer obligated to comply or produce records in response to said subpoena,” Thompson added.",
">\n\nConclusion: Former president Trump is above the law.",
">\n\nYeah kind of makes me sad. Trump can just ignore a subpoena, with zero consequences. \n“We believe you tried to overthrow the government. You are legally required to come talk to us about it.”\n“No thanks.”\n“Oh. Ok, never mind.”",
">\n\nNo consequences? He's has been referred to the DOJ for obstruction of a govt processing last week. They held a recorded vote.",
">\n\nThat’s not a consequence. It’s kicking the can. Trump will never, ever be held responsible for his role in destroying democracy in America.",
">\n\nThis is not TV or a movie. \"The wheels of justice grind slowly yet exceedingly fine\" is a saying for a reason. Federal investigations usually take years.",
">\n\nHe’s been investigated for years. No consequences. Just special appointments, investigations, and referrals. In the mean time, you know who DOES face consequences?\nAmerica.",
">\n\nYou are judging the end of the movie before it is over.\nThe previous investigations were being done while he had the shield of the presidency and an attorney general running obstruction for him. None of that is true now.",
">\n\nThe GOP will continue fighting on his behalf, because the majority are complicit in 45’s fuckery. Again, no consequences will be had. I’m willing to wager a gift card to your favorite local restaurant that he will live fat, rich, and free until at least the 2024/25 inauguration. Save this post.",
">\n\nWe'll see about that. I'll admit to the loss if thats the case.",
">\n\nMore proof that we the people have no rights in comparison to the billionaire ticks.",
">\n\nDude ain't no billionaire",
">\n\nNo, but his buddies are.",
">\n\nHis puppet masters maybe",
">\n\nI mean, who would have thought not starting the fight sooner would end like this?",
">\n\nDon’t worry. He’s got so many more coming.",
">\n\nThe idea that Trump will pay any price for his crimes is a fantasy.",
">\n\nIt’s actually happening. His company has been found guilty. His charity is closed. His cohorts are about to go to jail. His popularity sagging. Protection is gone. We just need the first indictment.",
">\n\nBut none is him",
">\n\nWell Trump Org is pretty much him but be patient.",
">\n\nDrops in the bucket. \nBeen patient for like 6 years now. How much more we gotta wait?",
">\n\nHe couldn’t be prosecuted while president. Watch GA and the special prosecutor. They’re moving fast.",
">\n\nCouldn't be?\nShould have been.",
">\n\nThat’s absolutely wild that any man is able to just straight up ignore a subpoena with zero consequences. Definition of “above the law”. If he gets away with this, he is going to be more dangerous than ever. You get away with leading a coup/insurrection, you’re going to assume you can get away with literally anything. \nMaybe trump was right… he really could shoot someone in the middle of 5th avenue and not lose any voters…and also probably not even get in trouble",
">\n\nSerious questions...so the committee pull the subpoena, but it's up to DOJ for any additional follow up, but when the new congress is in session they can tell DOJ to drop everything? Is that how's its going to go down? Because I thought DOJ is supposed to be independent once given the committee's findings?",
">\n\nThe DOJ is certainly independent of Congress. As for the committee - the only thing they would've done differently was vote on a criminal referral for contempt of Congress. Although there is some truth to congressional contempt needing to stem from congress, The DOJ has no obligation to act on a referral - it is more akin to a recommendation.\nWith that being said, the committee knew it wasn't going to serve any real benefit, so they decided not to.\n\nThe DOJ decided not to prosecute Meadows and Scavino for contempt due to their close ties to the executive. This pretty much ruled out any chance of it happening to Trump, a former President. \nEven a completely successful referral (Steve Bannon) showed how inconsequential Congressional subpoena power is. For one, it is a misdemeanor. It has been ~15 months since Bannon was referred, and he was found guilty and sentenced, and he is still a free man pending appeal. And even if upheld, it's only 4 months in prison as just shy of maximum sentencing guidelines. \nThe DOJ, if they prosecute, are aiming at much bigger crimes - notably Obstruction of an Official Proceeding, which carries up to 20 years. And they'd be potentially trying these crimes in the same jurisdiction.\n\nSo I'm sure the calculation was that it just wasn't worth throwing a referral at the DOJ for something they'd never follow up on, and wouldn't be much benefit if they did.",
">\n\nIn summary, he’s committed so many crimes that this one isn’t worth any effort",
">\n\nEssentially, yeah. The DOJ has two big chances to secure a conviction: Mar-A-Lago and Jan. 6 - and they will likely bring multiple charges in a D.C. court if they decide to prosecute. Mar-A-Lago will come first, which has virtually nothing to do with this committee's work.\nReferring a misdemeanor to tack onto 4 serious felonies they referred probably only risked muddying the larger offenses. Can't blame them honestly.",
">\n\nWhat is “Mar a Lago” in this context! The tax scheme? Classified documents?",
">\n\nThe classified documents",
">\n\nSmall point but they weren't all classified and don't need to be, for what he did to be illegal. Just trying to avoid republican framing.",
">\n\nHillary was not afraid to testify every time she was asked (and testified for hours and hours each time, answering all questions asked) and never took the 5th. Yet republicans act like she is the criminal when it always has been trump.",
">\n\nEven if she was wrong she was smarter than any of the R in the room. That woman was a machine during those hearings and gave them nothing to work with.",
">\n\nShe is definitely smarter than that barrel of monkeys who questioned her, but ultimately, there was nothing to get from her - the perfect opposite case of crimey benedict donald and his co-conspirators.",
">\n\nIt's interesting to see that people think this subpoena would have continued to exist past Jan 3, 2023 given that that's when ALL open subpoenas from the outgoing congress expire and become null and void. Even if the J6 committee continued to exist- they would be required to file a brand new one in the new session.",
">\n\nIt wouldn't be that hard to file a brand new subpoena, they have lawyers who work full-time for them. That isn't an obstacle.",
">\n\nExcept for the committee doesn't exist in the new Congress and they have no powers to do anything if they don't exist.",
">\n\nIt's easy to get the two confused a lot of times.",
">\n\nHow many of y'all actually thought he wasn't going to run out the clock? \nNothing will fundamentally change.",
">\n\nNobody. The “justice takes time” chorus that dominated the narrative was only here to quell social unrest so society didn’t take a dive while the rich mocked us from their golden pedestals.",
">\n\nSerious question: Why? So what if the Dems lose power in the Congress. Let the Republicans be the one to formally dismantle the committee and subpoena on record. Then when hopefully Trump is charged by the DOJ, dems have another talking point for 2024 that the Republicans hate law and order and protect mob bosses.",
">\n\nThe select committee expires at the end of the congressional session. So they do not need to question him because the committee will not exist.",
">\n\nBut what is the point of formally withdrawing the subpoena? What does it accomplish?",
">\n\nThe committee is over. They have issued the report, they are closing up shop. They are following the process. A secondary part of the committees job was to show how a REAL congressional hearing should be handled. None of that sloppy ass grandstanding they did for Benghazi",
">\n\nMy viewpoint is that Trump and the GOP are just going to use this as “proof” that he did nothing wrong. Remember how the Mueller report “exonerated” Trump? His base believes this shit wholeheartedly and I guarantee he will use this as “evidence” for his innocence.\nShowing how things SHOULD be handled instead of taking whatever measures needed to protect Americans lead to Jan 6th happening in the first place. We all know how things should be handled, how the rules should work, but one side is willing to do whatever they need to keep power and the other is getting walked over.\nIs taking the high road worth letting fascism into our government?",
">\n\nIt’s good to know that republicans are allowed to ignore subpoenas. That’s useful info for them. Don’t expect dems to get that treatment",
">\n\nThey dropped the ball in not issuing one a couple of months ago",
">\n\nActually the Democrats have done everything not to ever pick up the ball even once. They let trump appointed republicans appoint a republican special counsel to fall like a straw man to blatant obstruction in the Russia probe. They turned it into a fundraiser for campaigning. \nThis time they let liz Cheney take the reins, who was able to preserve her republican prerogatives throughout this entire ordeal. \nThe fact is that you're all being cucked by forces of controlled opposition and I'm apparently the only one in the world who can't be so easily mitigated.\nI can't depend on any of you anymore than you can depend on yourselves.",
">\n\nYou lost all credibility at the end when you said cuck and act like you’re the smartest person in the world. Be gone!",
">\n\nYeah, I don't know how anyone can be expected to be taken seriously using that whole sentence unironically.",
">\n\nI don't expect to be taken seriously whether I say it or not, yet the facts remain as I've described.",
">\n\nI didn’t see that coming, said absolutely no one.",
">\n\nWhy.",
">\n\nHUGE mistake. The committee will be dissolved by the GOPers in a couple weeks, and all this did was to give the Marmalade Moses another fake victory to rile up his lemmings.",
">\n\nIt’s funny because I say the same thing every time about trump never getting charged and I always get shit about it like BUT NO THIS TIME IS DIFFERENT. \nLmao right. Sure it is.",
">\n\nFucking same. This is just more “ammo” for his orange, shit spewing mouth.",
">\n\nThis guy is still getting more media coverage than the current potus two years into his term. Crazy.",
">\n\nIt does blow that he wasn't forced to comply with the subpoena but for people thinking what a bummer this seems like, the house is switching to a republican majority in like a week so it didn't make a whole lot of sense to leave an active subpoena on record knowing it would never be resolved. They likely knew he wasn't going to comply when it was issued only now its offical that it was officially issued, ignored by trump, and terminated. Who knows if the DOJ will eventually file but everyone pretty much already knew that little temper tantrum trump wasn't going to aid in his own house sedition investigation.",
">\n\nIf we restrict ourselves to the issue of compliance with a subpoena from this committee, then the recent election clearly mooted every aspect of penalties or consequences related to ignoring the subpoena.\nIt's like a big brother was called over and little bro wanted him to force his adversary to bow and kiss the ground. But by the time big bro finally wanders over, the kid goes \"nah... we're good.\"\nA lot of folk like to believe contempt of court or contempt of congress is like any other crime where you do the deed and have to face the punishment. But, in general, these things do not work like crimes. Even where contempt has been codified such that there is a criminal contempt aspect, the goal remains to seek or to force compliance. This leads to \"punishments\" which are better or worse depending on how you view things. A simple view is that you could be \"sentenced\" to indefinite incarceration because it's a \"jailed until compliance\" thing.\nIn this case, Congress has been very, very reticent to try to use their inherent power to jail someone. So the most they ever do these days is refer the case to the DoJ to pursue criminal contempt of congress.\nAll in all, is this a \"good\" thing? Maybe it's not as bad as we feel it to be. Imagine any sort of argument where someone demands you do something. You retort \"are you sure?\" Bystanders urge folk cool down and think about it. Map that into the way Congress changes every two years and you get a sense that unless something is important enough that it remains after the public alters the composition of the legislative branch, maybe it's not all that important (to the public) after all.\nOn the other hand, why would anyone fear Congress when they demonstrate time and again there never really are any consequences for refusal to comply with subpoenas? But... do we want to quake in fear whenever some nutjob party gains control and enacts something as dire as the Committee on Unamerican Activities?",
">\n\nWhat is the advantage of dropping the subpoena, as opposed to just letting it expire/letting the new congress withdraw it? Why go on record saying he no longer has to come in? I get that he was never going to show, I’m just curious why this is better than the alternative.",
">\n\nI’m wondering this too. There has to be a good reason.",
">\n\n?? Why, like it had no power, but still why? This looks like weakness",
">\n\nThe subpoena expires when the new congress is sworn in on Jan 3rd. There was no practical way to enforce it.",
">\n\nWhy not just let it expire?\nNow Republicans have a talking point that the January 6th Committee withdrew their subpoena.\nThey'll use it to muddy the waters and spread more misinformation.",
">\n\nThey already had their talking points. They've had them the whole time. They already released a \"counter report\" to the J6 committee. The committee withdrew it because they are closing up shop. The report is out. Where would Donnie's answers go?",
">\n\nWhy was he not charged with contempt for no show? Once again, he gets let off for bad behaviour",
">\n\nBecause they referred him for 4 much more serious crimes with longer sentences. Referring him for this is essentially pointless.",
">\n\nYes, but i see it as another nail in the coffin, and also sends a message that subpoenas are not to be ignored",
">\n\nImagine if you or I tried to just ignore a subpoena.",
">\n\nIt’s OK if you’re a Republican, as the war criminal’s daughter who voted in line with Trump’s policies during her House tenure can attest.",
">\n\nAnother instance of unequal justice under the law, imo. If you or I disregarded a subpoena from Congress we'd be going to jail...like Steve Bannon.",
">\n\nDrag it out, do nothing, repeat. Glad the J6 group produced a ton of info and exposed a lot of the bs but what's the point of nothing really happens? Media circus? I'm so tired.",
">\n\nGreat precedent. It's good to know if I'm ever subpoenaed by congress I can just ignore it.",
">\n\nJ6 knew he'd puss out and just wanted to get it on the record. And for the same reason they haven't gone after Meadows for ignoring his subpoena, are all of the other serious crimes hanging over him and the orange Traitor in Chief, especially now, the subpoenas aren't worth the time and effort.",
">\n\n\nAnd for the same reason they haven't gone after Meadows for ignoring his subpoena\n\nTo be fair... the House voted him in criminal contempt and sent the referral to that to the DoJ. There wasn't really anything they could do beyond that with respect to his subpoena (yes, inherent contempt in theory exists, in practice it would have been useless for multiple reasons).\nMeadows is also included in the big criminal referrals the committee issued as part of their report as well.",
">\n\nAs usual, this country’s justice system is a joke",
">\n\nThis was a subpoena issued by the congress, not DOJ. He would be arrested if this was subpoena by DOJ and he didn’t show.",
">\n\nLike I said lol this country’s justice system is a joke",
">\n\nBut the justice system has not been involved yet!!! Congressional hearing is not an example of the justice system. The congress has referred the case to the DOJ or “the justice system” as a result of their hearing. DOJ will pursue a criminal investigation and pursue charges. \nJudiciary (justice system as you call it), congress, and executive branches are constitutionally separate and independent to ensure checks and balances.\nJustice system in the US is not ideal, but this specific instance is not an example of these inefficiencies. This is an example of how the congress has been ineffective in doing their legislative actions. In this instance the correct statement would be “Legislative system in this country is a joke.” Justice system has not had a chance to show its incompetence yet. That will be next.",
">\n\nNaive of you to think this is anything more than a show they’re putting on. Nothing will come of it, democrats are by nature pussies let’s be real. None have any teeth or claws. The right is full of a bunch of tribalistic monkeys, party is apparently more important than country. I guess I can rephrase, besides making money and being the best business in the world, America is a joke.",
">\n\n\"OMG. I'm so outraged by this even though I have no idea why.\"\nIt'd be nice if you guys learned the difference between the subpoena and the criminal referral. trump was never going to show up for the subpoena especially since the GOP is about to take control. It's a completely moot point.",
">\n\nExactly. The committee already referred him to the DoJ on criminal charges. Everyone is acting like they're just taking their ball and going home. They already went well and beyond a mere subpoena here, and one of the charges that they're recommending is obstruction already.",
">\n\nAren’t subpoenas mandatory with consequences? Either you show up or go to jail. Trump did neither.",
">\n\nNot if you are rich. Laws are you only for the the lower 90%",
">\n\nThis is such bullshit.",
">\n\nAnother precedent set for rich criminals to not comply. If we citizens didn’t show we’d be at a black site with electrodes on our genitals.",
">\n\nThey should have charged Trump with contempt of Congress.",
">\n\nSo whens the next uprising on behalf of rich people? Just be sure you're actually a political player because if you're just a worker you'll be charged. Chess has really changed over the past hundred years.",
">\n\nTotally expected. \nTrump, the really TV star, said he'd only agree to answer the subpoena if it were live & televised. It's quite obvious the reason is that he'd ignore the questioning & use the free air time to spew his BS, much like in the Presidential debates. \nAnd I'm sure the incoming Republican House would have loved to have given him the opportunity",
">\n\nyeah kinda moot at this point , they already made those criminal referrals anyways lol i wish they would have perused charging him for not showing up however but maybe they figured in light of everything they should focus on the key issues and at this point whatever he had to say really doesnt matter anyways as he would just lie. his testimony would pretty much be useless. its still a shame we didnt get to see it just for historys sake lol",
">\n\nAl trump would do is take the 5th like any other ordinary criminal",
">\n\nSo far as things have gone, will it now be ok for Democrats to ignore all the subpoenas that this next R House is going to send around? I’d think so….",
">\n\nOur government has failed us.... Good luck everyone.",
">\n\nAh yes the criminal Justice system, quite possibly the longest running joke in America",
">\n\n& you just know the cheeto will say something like, ha!, they dropped the subpoena cause they knew I am innocent, or some 💩 like that",
">\n\nNo surprise there. Trump is above the law, as he has proven time and again, over and over throughout the last several years. \nI will be surprised if anything comes out of this investigation, at all. \nI will be surprised if the next republican president isn't worse than Trump. \nI mean seriously, how do they convict him of anything if they can't even call him for questioning. Ever heard of anyone, ever, to get convicted of a crime that didn't have to talk to investigators at some point? \nFuck America. Fuck Trump. And fuck the pussy ass people who refuse to do their fucking job.",
">\n\nThey dropped it because it wasn't necessary and would have given him a national platform needlessly. DOJ will pass to the special council which will bring formal charges, if any will be brought.",
">\n\nThis is actually heartbreaking. Seen a lot of politicians and people of note show time and time again that the rules for EVERY CITIZEN don’t apply to them and this stings just a little more",
">\n\nMy theory that he is blackmailing everyone from the White House down with Area 51 malarky is still holding water...",
">\n\nLet us all start committing crimes and see how that goes, this is bs",
">\n\nSuch bs. I knew he would sleeze his way out of any consequences for his actions. This will only embolden him & his lunatic followers. He incites a riot that kills people & gets away with it. If any of us incited a riot, we would still be in jail & if people died during the riot, we would be charged with murder as well. So sick & tired of the double standard when it comes to a president who breaks the law & walks away, just like nixon did.",
">\n\nshould not have dropped\nshould have referred it to doj for contempt of congress...\nwhite rich continue to get a pass for what the rest of us would have long ago been prosecuted and imprisoned...",
">\n\nThey already referred him to DOJ for obstruction of a govt proceeding last week. What are you talking about?",
">\n\nYeah, because why would you want to subpoena the guy who was completely responsible for the entire thing?\nThe Chuck Schumer neoliberals have engineered this to completely let Trump get away with it - because they think the Republicans are still their friends and they don't want to piss them off!",
">\n\nThey subpoenaed trump months ago. He declined to show. Since, investigation is over, they dropped it. This is not even really news worthy.",
">\n\nHalf the people in this thread have no idea what they're talking about and are confusing the subpoena with the criminal referral.",
">\n\nOh, is that what's going on? Lol. I was wondering why ppl are making a big deal about this. This is just the committee cleaning up loose ends.",
">\n\nIt's a big deal if someone who's now a private citizen, can do wtf he wants and ignore a Congressional subpoena.",
">\n\nIt takes votes by congress to hold in contempt. They didn't need trump's testimony. He would just show up and repeat I plead the 5th anyway. Pence ignored his, too. It's pointless to hold them in contempt and get off focus of actual investigation.",
">\n\nYou're proving my point. Congressional Democrats should have enforced the subpoena and made Trump plead the 5th to every question. Imagine if Pence also appeared and pled the 5th to every question. That is political magic for the Democrats, it makes them look guilty as hell.\nTrump committed a crime, and this is America. It should be the same as if I committed a crime. We would get arrested, taken to jail until the morning, see a judge and face our charges, and then either get released on OR, held for trial, or bail set. It's not much of a democracy if laws are not enforced against powerful people.",
">\n\nOnce you all realize this is just a game and you’re the pawn things will make a lot more sense.",
">\n\nNow hear him cry about never getting a chance to testify when he’s charged.",
">\n\nI see this less as a “you’re excused” and more of a “see you in court”",
">\n\nNo need to bother with it when they've already finished their work. The only thing that testimony would have accomplished would have been getting Trump to look bad on national television, and a potential perjury charge. Trump already has embarrassed himself in public in a massive way since then, and they have bigger crimes to recommend to the DOJ for prosecution.",
">\n\nThe moment they announced the subpoena everyone got a hard on that trump would have to talk. I said it then and I’ll say it again, trump will never have to face any punishment and he doesn’t have to comply to any law or rules. They’re all more suggestions instead of laws.",
">\n\nWhat a waste of fucking time",
">\n\nSo......this was a big fat waste of time and money?",
">\n\nI mean they made a criminal referral so, no? The committee wasn’t set up to solely investigate Dolt 45 and took the testimony of over a thousand people, why is it you believe withdrawing one subpoena because the committee is winding down renders the entire process a “waste of time and money.”",
">\n\nNo mention on CNN that they dropped the subpoena after a year of January 6 January 6 January 6 terrible news station",
">\n\nWell, it’s being run by a Republican so go figure",
">\n\nTalk about the wheels of justice turning slow. In this case reversing altogether. Well done.",
">\n\nI wish this surprised me.",
">\n\nLOL God this is so funny\nWhat the fuck did y'all expect if you have money you are above the law. It only applies to the poor and those who step on the toes of capital.",
">\n\nWhat a waste of money",
">\n\n...And a Happy New Year!",
">\n\nClassic",
">\n\nShocking",
">\n\nOur governing body are a bunch of cowards. The US is being safeguarded by self-interested Congresspersons who speak about accountability and act on cowardice.",
">\n\nLet's be honest he'll get away with everything with a slap on the wrist. This country won't prosecute a sitting or former president or high ranking politician, we've seen this over and over. The whole committee is sadly a publicity stunt to gain traction for Democrat's. I hope I'm completely wrong of course and that this country will start to feel like it's a democracy.",
">\n\nThe coup is in effect.",
">\n\nI have a sad feeling this committee is going to end up like a fart in the wind",
">\n\nYou’re not wrong",
">\n\nWtf are you talking about?",
">\n\nHands",
">\n\nWho are you talking to? Lmao",
">\n\nWent out with a whimper. The most Democrat thing ever.\nWish the Dems would learn how to take the gloves off, at least they would have a shot against an opponent that has no problems filling their gloves with lead shot. Then bragging about it.",
">\n\nThe subpoena, and associated contempt charges would be nothing when compared to the recommendations made by the committee to the DOJ. Whether or not the DOJ will act is all that matters at this point.",
">\n\nPathetic pieces of shit",
">\n\nAll theatre, all the time. Seems like by now, to most people, that somehow being trolled by their favorite elected might be possible.",
">\n\nSo wait, he just gets away with everything? Just like that?\nWhat about all the articles saying that Trump will most likely spend the rest of his life in prison?",
">\n\nThe subpoena has nothing to do with the recommendations made by the committee to the DOJ. The ball is in the DOJ’s court. The subpoena doesn’t impact anything. Absurd that he didn’t get held in contempt, but that is more of a distraction than anything.",
">\n\nI see. Thanks for explaining!",
">\n\nCan anyone explain why he was not arrested for not responding to the subpoena? I thought you had to respond to these?"
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Subpoenas are real, or they’re not.
In the real world if any person defied or ignored a subpoena they would be arrested immediately.
Why are some Americans allowed to break the law in broad daylight.
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"So far Trump's legal strategy of ignoring calls for accountability until Republicans in Congress can bail him out is workingly flawlessly.",
">\n\nThat doesn’t mean the DoJ can’t charge and prosecute. \nRight now everything is in response to republicans getting their slim majority in the house and lessen the damage they will do.\nThat said, they still have the mountain of evidence they did gather",
">\n\nWhat about when the AG/DOJ is a GOP appointee? You don’t think they’ll just put in a Bill Barr type on the entire thing?",
">\n\nNot while they have a democratic president and especially when the previous president lost them the midterms.\nThey were already planning on replacing trump with Desantes by equating the 2 (Martha’s Vineyard was part of that), they’re only gonna lose trying to put their party’s future on the line protect him further.\nThey gonna continue to spread doubt and try to discredit the investigations, but they’re barely holding onto a branch of government, they’re not stupid. Barr only worked because they held onto 2",
">\n\nUmmm that’s not what I meant. If a GOP candidate for President wins in 2024 , what are the actual legal implications. It’s not like it’s below them to interfere like they did with the collusion charges",
">\n\n\nThe House January 6 committee is withdrawing its subpoena of former President Donald Trump as it concludes its work.\n“In light of the imminent end of our investigation, the Select Committee can no longer pursue the specific information covered by the subpoena,” Chairman Bennie Thompson, a Mississippi Democrat, wrote in a letter to Trump’s attorney Wednesday obtained by CNN.\n“Therefore, through this letter, I hereby formally withdraw the subpoena issued to former President Trump, and notify you that he is no longer obligated to comply or produce records in response to said subpoena,” Thompson added.",
">\n\nConclusion: Former president Trump is above the law.",
">\n\nYeah kind of makes me sad. Trump can just ignore a subpoena, with zero consequences. \n“We believe you tried to overthrow the government. You are legally required to come talk to us about it.”\n“No thanks.”\n“Oh. Ok, never mind.”",
">\n\nNo consequences? He's has been referred to the DOJ for obstruction of a govt processing last week. They held a recorded vote.",
">\n\nThat’s not a consequence. It’s kicking the can. Trump will never, ever be held responsible for his role in destroying democracy in America.",
">\n\nThis is not TV or a movie. \"The wheels of justice grind slowly yet exceedingly fine\" is a saying for a reason. Federal investigations usually take years.",
">\n\nHe’s been investigated for years. No consequences. Just special appointments, investigations, and referrals. In the mean time, you know who DOES face consequences?\nAmerica.",
">\n\nYou are judging the end of the movie before it is over.\nThe previous investigations were being done while he had the shield of the presidency and an attorney general running obstruction for him. None of that is true now.",
">\n\nThe GOP will continue fighting on his behalf, because the majority are complicit in 45’s fuckery. Again, no consequences will be had. I’m willing to wager a gift card to your favorite local restaurant that he will live fat, rich, and free until at least the 2024/25 inauguration. Save this post.",
">\n\nWe'll see about that. I'll admit to the loss if thats the case.",
">\n\nMore proof that we the people have no rights in comparison to the billionaire ticks.",
">\n\nDude ain't no billionaire",
">\n\nNo, but his buddies are.",
">\n\nHis puppet masters maybe",
">\n\nI mean, who would have thought not starting the fight sooner would end like this?",
">\n\nDon’t worry. He’s got so many more coming.",
">\n\nThe idea that Trump will pay any price for his crimes is a fantasy.",
">\n\nIt’s actually happening. His company has been found guilty. His charity is closed. His cohorts are about to go to jail. His popularity sagging. Protection is gone. We just need the first indictment.",
">\n\nBut none is him",
">\n\nWell Trump Org is pretty much him but be patient.",
">\n\nDrops in the bucket. \nBeen patient for like 6 years now. How much more we gotta wait?",
">\n\nHe couldn’t be prosecuted while president. Watch GA and the special prosecutor. They’re moving fast.",
">\n\nCouldn't be?\nShould have been.",
">\n\nThat’s absolutely wild that any man is able to just straight up ignore a subpoena with zero consequences. Definition of “above the law”. If he gets away with this, he is going to be more dangerous than ever. You get away with leading a coup/insurrection, you’re going to assume you can get away with literally anything. \nMaybe trump was right… he really could shoot someone in the middle of 5th avenue and not lose any voters…and also probably not even get in trouble",
">\n\nSerious questions...so the committee pull the subpoena, but it's up to DOJ for any additional follow up, but when the new congress is in session they can tell DOJ to drop everything? Is that how's its going to go down? Because I thought DOJ is supposed to be independent once given the committee's findings?",
">\n\nThe DOJ is certainly independent of Congress. As for the committee - the only thing they would've done differently was vote on a criminal referral for contempt of Congress. Although there is some truth to congressional contempt needing to stem from congress, The DOJ has no obligation to act on a referral - it is more akin to a recommendation.\nWith that being said, the committee knew it wasn't going to serve any real benefit, so they decided not to.\n\nThe DOJ decided not to prosecute Meadows and Scavino for contempt due to their close ties to the executive. This pretty much ruled out any chance of it happening to Trump, a former President. \nEven a completely successful referral (Steve Bannon) showed how inconsequential Congressional subpoena power is. For one, it is a misdemeanor. It has been ~15 months since Bannon was referred, and he was found guilty and sentenced, and he is still a free man pending appeal. And even if upheld, it's only 4 months in prison as just shy of maximum sentencing guidelines. \nThe DOJ, if they prosecute, are aiming at much bigger crimes - notably Obstruction of an Official Proceeding, which carries up to 20 years. And they'd be potentially trying these crimes in the same jurisdiction.\n\nSo I'm sure the calculation was that it just wasn't worth throwing a referral at the DOJ for something they'd never follow up on, and wouldn't be much benefit if they did.",
">\n\nIn summary, he’s committed so many crimes that this one isn’t worth any effort",
">\n\nEssentially, yeah. The DOJ has two big chances to secure a conviction: Mar-A-Lago and Jan. 6 - and they will likely bring multiple charges in a D.C. court if they decide to prosecute. Mar-A-Lago will come first, which has virtually nothing to do with this committee's work.\nReferring a misdemeanor to tack onto 4 serious felonies they referred probably only risked muddying the larger offenses. Can't blame them honestly.",
">\n\nWhat is “Mar a Lago” in this context! The tax scheme? Classified documents?",
">\n\nThe classified documents",
">\n\nSmall point but they weren't all classified and don't need to be, for what he did to be illegal. Just trying to avoid republican framing.",
">\n\nHillary was not afraid to testify every time she was asked (and testified for hours and hours each time, answering all questions asked) and never took the 5th. Yet republicans act like she is the criminal when it always has been trump.",
">\n\nEven if she was wrong she was smarter than any of the R in the room. That woman was a machine during those hearings and gave them nothing to work with.",
">\n\nShe is definitely smarter than that barrel of monkeys who questioned her, but ultimately, there was nothing to get from her - the perfect opposite case of crimey benedict donald and his co-conspirators.",
">\n\nIt's interesting to see that people think this subpoena would have continued to exist past Jan 3, 2023 given that that's when ALL open subpoenas from the outgoing congress expire and become null and void. Even if the J6 committee continued to exist- they would be required to file a brand new one in the new session.",
">\n\nIt wouldn't be that hard to file a brand new subpoena, they have lawyers who work full-time for them. That isn't an obstacle.",
">\n\nExcept for the committee doesn't exist in the new Congress and they have no powers to do anything if they don't exist.",
">\n\nIt's easy to get the two confused a lot of times.",
">\n\nHow many of y'all actually thought he wasn't going to run out the clock? \nNothing will fundamentally change.",
">\n\nNobody. The “justice takes time” chorus that dominated the narrative was only here to quell social unrest so society didn’t take a dive while the rich mocked us from their golden pedestals.",
">\n\nSerious question: Why? So what if the Dems lose power in the Congress. Let the Republicans be the one to formally dismantle the committee and subpoena on record. Then when hopefully Trump is charged by the DOJ, dems have another talking point for 2024 that the Republicans hate law and order and protect mob bosses.",
">\n\nThe select committee expires at the end of the congressional session. So they do not need to question him because the committee will not exist.",
">\n\nBut what is the point of formally withdrawing the subpoena? What does it accomplish?",
">\n\nThe committee is over. They have issued the report, they are closing up shop. They are following the process. A secondary part of the committees job was to show how a REAL congressional hearing should be handled. None of that sloppy ass grandstanding they did for Benghazi",
">\n\nMy viewpoint is that Trump and the GOP are just going to use this as “proof” that he did nothing wrong. Remember how the Mueller report “exonerated” Trump? His base believes this shit wholeheartedly and I guarantee he will use this as “evidence” for his innocence.\nShowing how things SHOULD be handled instead of taking whatever measures needed to protect Americans lead to Jan 6th happening in the first place. We all know how things should be handled, how the rules should work, but one side is willing to do whatever they need to keep power and the other is getting walked over.\nIs taking the high road worth letting fascism into our government?",
">\n\nIt’s good to know that republicans are allowed to ignore subpoenas. That’s useful info for them. Don’t expect dems to get that treatment",
">\n\nThey dropped the ball in not issuing one a couple of months ago",
">\n\nActually the Democrats have done everything not to ever pick up the ball even once. They let trump appointed republicans appoint a republican special counsel to fall like a straw man to blatant obstruction in the Russia probe. They turned it into a fundraiser for campaigning. \nThis time they let liz Cheney take the reins, who was able to preserve her republican prerogatives throughout this entire ordeal. \nThe fact is that you're all being cucked by forces of controlled opposition and I'm apparently the only one in the world who can't be so easily mitigated.\nI can't depend on any of you anymore than you can depend on yourselves.",
">\n\nYou lost all credibility at the end when you said cuck and act like you’re the smartest person in the world. Be gone!",
">\n\nYeah, I don't know how anyone can be expected to be taken seriously using that whole sentence unironically.",
">\n\nI don't expect to be taken seriously whether I say it or not, yet the facts remain as I've described.",
">\n\nI didn’t see that coming, said absolutely no one.",
">\n\nWhy.",
">\n\nHUGE mistake. The committee will be dissolved by the GOPers in a couple weeks, and all this did was to give the Marmalade Moses another fake victory to rile up his lemmings.",
">\n\nIt’s funny because I say the same thing every time about trump never getting charged and I always get shit about it like BUT NO THIS TIME IS DIFFERENT. \nLmao right. Sure it is.",
">\n\nFucking same. This is just more “ammo” for his orange, shit spewing mouth.",
">\n\nThis guy is still getting more media coverage than the current potus two years into his term. Crazy.",
">\n\nIt does blow that he wasn't forced to comply with the subpoena but for people thinking what a bummer this seems like, the house is switching to a republican majority in like a week so it didn't make a whole lot of sense to leave an active subpoena on record knowing it would never be resolved. They likely knew he wasn't going to comply when it was issued only now its offical that it was officially issued, ignored by trump, and terminated. Who knows if the DOJ will eventually file but everyone pretty much already knew that little temper tantrum trump wasn't going to aid in his own house sedition investigation.",
">\n\nIf we restrict ourselves to the issue of compliance with a subpoena from this committee, then the recent election clearly mooted every aspect of penalties or consequences related to ignoring the subpoena.\nIt's like a big brother was called over and little bro wanted him to force his adversary to bow and kiss the ground. But by the time big bro finally wanders over, the kid goes \"nah... we're good.\"\nA lot of folk like to believe contempt of court or contempt of congress is like any other crime where you do the deed and have to face the punishment. But, in general, these things do not work like crimes. Even where contempt has been codified such that there is a criminal contempt aspect, the goal remains to seek or to force compliance. This leads to \"punishments\" which are better or worse depending on how you view things. A simple view is that you could be \"sentenced\" to indefinite incarceration because it's a \"jailed until compliance\" thing.\nIn this case, Congress has been very, very reticent to try to use their inherent power to jail someone. So the most they ever do these days is refer the case to the DoJ to pursue criminal contempt of congress.\nAll in all, is this a \"good\" thing? Maybe it's not as bad as we feel it to be. Imagine any sort of argument where someone demands you do something. You retort \"are you sure?\" Bystanders urge folk cool down and think about it. Map that into the way Congress changes every two years and you get a sense that unless something is important enough that it remains after the public alters the composition of the legislative branch, maybe it's not all that important (to the public) after all.\nOn the other hand, why would anyone fear Congress when they demonstrate time and again there never really are any consequences for refusal to comply with subpoenas? But... do we want to quake in fear whenever some nutjob party gains control and enacts something as dire as the Committee on Unamerican Activities?",
">\n\nWhat is the advantage of dropping the subpoena, as opposed to just letting it expire/letting the new congress withdraw it? Why go on record saying he no longer has to come in? I get that he was never going to show, I’m just curious why this is better than the alternative.",
">\n\nI’m wondering this too. There has to be a good reason.",
">\n\n?? Why, like it had no power, but still why? This looks like weakness",
">\n\nThe subpoena expires when the new congress is sworn in on Jan 3rd. There was no practical way to enforce it.",
">\n\nWhy not just let it expire?\nNow Republicans have a talking point that the January 6th Committee withdrew their subpoena.\nThey'll use it to muddy the waters and spread more misinformation.",
">\n\nThey already had their talking points. They've had them the whole time. They already released a \"counter report\" to the J6 committee. The committee withdrew it because they are closing up shop. The report is out. Where would Donnie's answers go?",
">\n\nWhy was he not charged with contempt for no show? Once again, he gets let off for bad behaviour",
">\n\nBecause they referred him for 4 much more serious crimes with longer sentences. Referring him for this is essentially pointless.",
">\n\nYes, but i see it as another nail in the coffin, and also sends a message that subpoenas are not to be ignored",
">\n\nImagine if you or I tried to just ignore a subpoena.",
">\n\nIt’s OK if you’re a Republican, as the war criminal’s daughter who voted in line with Trump’s policies during her House tenure can attest.",
">\n\nAnother instance of unequal justice under the law, imo. If you or I disregarded a subpoena from Congress we'd be going to jail...like Steve Bannon.",
">\n\nDrag it out, do nothing, repeat. Glad the J6 group produced a ton of info and exposed a lot of the bs but what's the point of nothing really happens? Media circus? I'm so tired.",
">\n\nGreat precedent. It's good to know if I'm ever subpoenaed by congress I can just ignore it.",
">\n\nJ6 knew he'd puss out and just wanted to get it on the record. And for the same reason they haven't gone after Meadows for ignoring his subpoena, are all of the other serious crimes hanging over him and the orange Traitor in Chief, especially now, the subpoenas aren't worth the time and effort.",
">\n\n\nAnd for the same reason they haven't gone after Meadows for ignoring his subpoena\n\nTo be fair... the House voted him in criminal contempt and sent the referral to that to the DoJ. There wasn't really anything they could do beyond that with respect to his subpoena (yes, inherent contempt in theory exists, in practice it would have been useless for multiple reasons).\nMeadows is also included in the big criminal referrals the committee issued as part of their report as well.",
">\n\nAs usual, this country’s justice system is a joke",
">\n\nThis was a subpoena issued by the congress, not DOJ. He would be arrested if this was subpoena by DOJ and he didn’t show.",
">\n\nLike I said lol this country’s justice system is a joke",
">\n\nBut the justice system has not been involved yet!!! Congressional hearing is not an example of the justice system. The congress has referred the case to the DOJ or “the justice system” as a result of their hearing. DOJ will pursue a criminal investigation and pursue charges. \nJudiciary (justice system as you call it), congress, and executive branches are constitutionally separate and independent to ensure checks and balances.\nJustice system in the US is not ideal, but this specific instance is not an example of these inefficiencies. This is an example of how the congress has been ineffective in doing their legislative actions. In this instance the correct statement would be “Legislative system in this country is a joke.” Justice system has not had a chance to show its incompetence yet. That will be next.",
">\n\nNaive of you to think this is anything more than a show they’re putting on. Nothing will come of it, democrats are by nature pussies let’s be real. None have any teeth or claws. The right is full of a bunch of tribalistic monkeys, party is apparently more important than country. I guess I can rephrase, besides making money and being the best business in the world, America is a joke.",
">\n\n\"OMG. I'm so outraged by this even though I have no idea why.\"\nIt'd be nice if you guys learned the difference between the subpoena and the criminal referral. trump was never going to show up for the subpoena especially since the GOP is about to take control. It's a completely moot point.",
">\n\nExactly. The committee already referred him to the DoJ on criminal charges. Everyone is acting like they're just taking their ball and going home. They already went well and beyond a mere subpoena here, and one of the charges that they're recommending is obstruction already.",
">\n\nAren’t subpoenas mandatory with consequences? Either you show up or go to jail. Trump did neither.",
">\n\nNot if you are rich. Laws are you only for the the lower 90%",
">\n\nThis is such bullshit.",
">\n\nAnother precedent set for rich criminals to not comply. If we citizens didn’t show we’d be at a black site with electrodes on our genitals.",
">\n\nThey should have charged Trump with contempt of Congress.",
">\n\nSo whens the next uprising on behalf of rich people? Just be sure you're actually a political player because if you're just a worker you'll be charged. Chess has really changed over the past hundred years.",
">\n\nTotally expected. \nTrump, the really TV star, said he'd only agree to answer the subpoena if it were live & televised. It's quite obvious the reason is that he'd ignore the questioning & use the free air time to spew his BS, much like in the Presidential debates. \nAnd I'm sure the incoming Republican House would have loved to have given him the opportunity",
">\n\nyeah kinda moot at this point , they already made those criminal referrals anyways lol i wish they would have perused charging him for not showing up however but maybe they figured in light of everything they should focus on the key issues and at this point whatever he had to say really doesnt matter anyways as he would just lie. his testimony would pretty much be useless. its still a shame we didnt get to see it just for historys sake lol",
">\n\nAl trump would do is take the 5th like any other ordinary criminal",
">\n\nSo far as things have gone, will it now be ok for Democrats to ignore all the subpoenas that this next R House is going to send around? I’d think so….",
">\n\nOur government has failed us.... Good luck everyone.",
">\n\nAh yes the criminal Justice system, quite possibly the longest running joke in America",
">\n\n& you just know the cheeto will say something like, ha!, they dropped the subpoena cause they knew I am innocent, or some 💩 like that",
">\n\nNo surprise there. Trump is above the law, as he has proven time and again, over and over throughout the last several years. \nI will be surprised if anything comes out of this investigation, at all. \nI will be surprised if the next republican president isn't worse than Trump. \nI mean seriously, how do they convict him of anything if they can't even call him for questioning. Ever heard of anyone, ever, to get convicted of a crime that didn't have to talk to investigators at some point? \nFuck America. Fuck Trump. And fuck the pussy ass people who refuse to do their fucking job.",
">\n\nThey dropped it because it wasn't necessary and would have given him a national platform needlessly. DOJ will pass to the special council which will bring formal charges, if any will be brought.",
">\n\nThis is actually heartbreaking. Seen a lot of politicians and people of note show time and time again that the rules for EVERY CITIZEN don’t apply to them and this stings just a little more",
">\n\nMy theory that he is blackmailing everyone from the White House down with Area 51 malarky is still holding water...",
">\n\nLet us all start committing crimes and see how that goes, this is bs",
">\n\nSuch bs. I knew he would sleeze his way out of any consequences for his actions. This will only embolden him & his lunatic followers. He incites a riot that kills people & gets away with it. If any of us incited a riot, we would still be in jail & if people died during the riot, we would be charged with murder as well. So sick & tired of the double standard when it comes to a president who breaks the law & walks away, just like nixon did.",
">\n\nshould not have dropped\nshould have referred it to doj for contempt of congress...\nwhite rich continue to get a pass for what the rest of us would have long ago been prosecuted and imprisoned...",
">\n\nThey already referred him to DOJ for obstruction of a govt proceeding last week. What are you talking about?",
">\n\nYeah, because why would you want to subpoena the guy who was completely responsible for the entire thing?\nThe Chuck Schumer neoliberals have engineered this to completely let Trump get away with it - because they think the Republicans are still their friends and they don't want to piss them off!",
">\n\nThey subpoenaed trump months ago. He declined to show. Since, investigation is over, they dropped it. This is not even really news worthy.",
">\n\nHalf the people in this thread have no idea what they're talking about and are confusing the subpoena with the criminal referral.",
">\n\nOh, is that what's going on? Lol. I was wondering why ppl are making a big deal about this. This is just the committee cleaning up loose ends.",
">\n\nIt's a big deal if someone who's now a private citizen, can do wtf he wants and ignore a Congressional subpoena.",
">\n\nIt takes votes by congress to hold in contempt. They didn't need trump's testimony. He would just show up and repeat I plead the 5th anyway. Pence ignored his, too. It's pointless to hold them in contempt and get off focus of actual investigation.",
">\n\nYou're proving my point. Congressional Democrats should have enforced the subpoena and made Trump plead the 5th to every question. Imagine if Pence also appeared and pled the 5th to every question. That is political magic for the Democrats, it makes them look guilty as hell.\nTrump committed a crime, and this is America. It should be the same as if I committed a crime. We would get arrested, taken to jail until the morning, see a judge and face our charges, and then either get released on OR, held for trial, or bail set. It's not much of a democracy if laws are not enforced against powerful people.",
">\n\nOnce you all realize this is just a game and you’re the pawn things will make a lot more sense.",
">\n\nNow hear him cry about never getting a chance to testify when he’s charged.",
">\n\nI see this less as a “you’re excused” and more of a “see you in court”",
">\n\nNo need to bother with it when they've already finished their work. The only thing that testimony would have accomplished would have been getting Trump to look bad on national television, and a potential perjury charge. Trump already has embarrassed himself in public in a massive way since then, and they have bigger crimes to recommend to the DOJ for prosecution.",
">\n\nThe moment they announced the subpoena everyone got a hard on that trump would have to talk. I said it then and I’ll say it again, trump will never have to face any punishment and he doesn’t have to comply to any law or rules. They’re all more suggestions instead of laws.",
">\n\nWhat a waste of fucking time",
">\n\nSo......this was a big fat waste of time and money?",
">\n\nI mean they made a criminal referral so, no? The committee wasn’t set up to solely investigate Dolt 45 and took the testimony of over a thousand people, why is it you believe withdrawing one subpoena because the committee is winding down renders the entire process a “waste of time and money.”",
">\n\nNo mention on CNN that they dropped the subpoena after a year of January 6 January 6 January 6 terrible news station",
">\n\nWell, it’s being run by a Republican so go figure",
">\n\nTalk about the wheels of justice turning slow. In this case reversing altogether. Well done.",
">\n\nI wish this surprised me.",
">\n\nLOL God this is so funny\nWhat the fuck did y'all expect if you have money you are above the law. It only applies to the poor and those who step on the toes of capital.",
">\n\nWhat a waste of money",
">\n\n...And a Happy New Year!",
">\n\nClassic",
">\n\nShocking",
">\n\nOur governing body are a bunch of cowards. The US is being safeguarded by self-interested Congresspersons who speak about accountability and act on cowardice.",
">\n\nLet's be honest he'll get away with everything with a slap on the wrist. This country won't prosecute a sitting or former president or high ranking politician, we've seen this over and over. The whole committee is sadly a publicity stunt to gain traction for Democrat's. I hope I'm completely wrong of course and that this country will start to feel like it's a democracy.",
">\n\nThe coup is in effect.",
">\n\nI have a sad feeling this committee is going to end up like a fart in the wind",
">\n\nYou’re not wrong",
">\n\nWtf are you talking about?",
">\n\nHands",
">\n\nWho are you talking to? Lmao",
">\n\nWent out with a whimper. The most Democrat thing ever.\nWish the Dems would learn how to take the gloves off, at least they would have a shot against an opponent that has no problems filling their gloves with lead shot. Then bragging about it.",
">\n\nThe subpoena, and associated contempt charges would be nothing when compared to the recommendations made by the committee to the DOJ. Whether or not the DOJ will act is all that matters at this point.",
">\n\nPathetic pieces of shit",
">\n\nAll theatre, all the time. Seems like by now, to most people, that somehow being trolled by their favorite elected might be possible.",
">\n\nSo wait, he just gets away with everything? Just like that?\nWhat about all the articles saying that Trump will most likely spend the rest of his life in prison?",
">\n\nThe subpoena has nothing to do with the recommendations made by the committee to the DOJ. The ball is in the DOJ’s court. The subpoena doesn’t impact anything. Absurd that he didn’t get held in contempt, but that is more of a distraction than anything.",
">\n\nI see. Thanks for explaining!",
">\n\nCan anyone explain why he was not arrested for not responding to the subpoena? I thought you had to respond to these?",
">\n\nFirst they would have had to vote for contempt. Then they would need to issue a referral to DOJ, then DOJ would need to consider it. That is not happening in a week before the new congress is sworn in an this committee expires. They have issued their report and no longer need to speak to him. That is why it was withdrawn. Their job is done."
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"So far Trump's legal strategy of ignoring calls for accountability until Republicans in Congress can bail him out is workingly flawlessly.",
">\n\nThat doesn’t mean the DoJ can’t charge and prosecute. \nRight now everything is in response to republicans getting their slim majority in the house and lessen the damage they will do.\nThat said, they still have the mountain of evidence they did gather",
">\n\nWhat about when the AG/DOJ is a GOP appointee? You don’t think they’ll just put in a Bill Barr type on the entire thing?",
">\n\nNot while they have a democratic president and especially when the previous president lost them the midterms.\nThey were already planning on replacing trump with Desantes by equating the 2 (Martha’s Vineyard was part of that), they’re only gonna lose trying to put their party’s future on the line protect him further.\nThey gonna continue to spread doubt and try to discredit the investigations, but they’re barely holding onto a branch of government, they’re not stupid. Barr only worked because they held onto 2",
">\n\nUmmm that’s not what I meant. If a GOP candidate for President wins in 2024 , what are the actual legal implications. It’s not like it’s below them to interfere like they did with the collusion charges",
">\n\n\nThe House January 6 committee is withdrawing its subpoena of former President Donald Trump as it concludes its work.\n“In light of the imminent end of our investigation, the Select Committee can no longer pursue the specific information covered by the subpoena,” Chairman Bennie Thompson, a Mississippi Democrat, wrote in a letter to Trump’s attorney Wednesday obtained by CNN.\n“Therefore, through this letter, I hereby formally withdraw the subpoena issued to former President Trump, and notify you that he is no longer obligated to comply or produce records in response to said subpoena,” Thompson added.",
">\n\nConclusion: Former president Trump is above the law.",
">\n\nYeah kind of makes me sad. Trump can just ignore a subpoena, with zero consequences. \n“We believe you tried to overthrow the government. You are legally required to come talk to us about it.”\n“No thanks.”\n“Oh. Ok, never mind.”",
">\n\nNo consequences? He's has been referred to the DOJ for obstruction of a govt processing last week. They held a recorded vote.",
">\n\nThat’s not a consequence. It’s kicking the can. Trump will never, ever be held responsible for his role in destroying democracy in America.",
">\n\nThis is not TV or a movie. \"The wheels of justice grind slowly yet exceedingly fine\" is a saying for a reason. Federal investigations usually take years.",
">\n\nHe’s been investigated for years. No consequences. Just special appointments, investigations, and referrals. In the mean time, you know who DOES face consequences?\nAmerica.",
">\n\nYou are judging the end of the movie before it is over.\nThe previous investigations were being done while he had the shield of the presidency and an attorney general running obstruction for him. None of that is true now.",
">\n\nThe GOP will continue fighting on his behalf, because the majority are complicit in 45’s fuckery. Again, no consequences will be had. I’m willing to wager a gift card to your favorite local restaurant that he will live fat, rich, and free until at least the 2024/25 inauguration. Save this post.",
">\n\nWe'll see about that. I'll admit to the loss if thats the case.",
">\n\nMore proof that we the people have no rights in comparison to the billionaire ticks.",
">\n\nDude ain't no billionaire",
">\n\nNo, but his buddies are.",
">\n\nHis puppet masters maybe",
">\n\nI mean, who would have thought not starting the fight sooner would end like this?",
">\n\nDon’t worry. He’s got so many more coming.",
">\n\nThe idea that Trump will pay any price for his crimes is a fantasy.",
">\n\nIt’s actually happening. His company has been found guilty. His charity is closed. His cohorts are about to go to jail. His popularity sagging. Protection is gone. We just need the first indictment.",
">\n\nBut none is him",
">\n\nWell Trump Org is pretty much him but be patient.",
">\n\nDrops in the bucket. \nBeen patient for like 6 years now. How much more we gotta wait?",
">\n\nHe couldn’t be prosecuted while president. Watch GA and the special prosecutor. They’re moving fast.",
">\n\nCouldn't be?\nShould have been.",
">\n\nThat’s absolutely wild that any man is able to just straight up ignore a subpoena with zero consequences. Definition of “above the law”. If he gets away with this, he is going to be more dangerous than ever. You get away with leading a coup/insurrection, you’re going to assume you can get away with literally anything. \nMaybe trump was right… he really could shoot someone in the middle of 5th avenue and not lose any voters…and also probably not even get in trouble",
">\n\nSerious questions...so the committee pull the subpoena, but it's up to DOJ for any additional follow up, but when the new congress is in session they can tell DOJ to drop everything? Is that how's its going to go down? Because I thought DOJ is supposed to be independent once given the committee's findings?",
">\n\nThe DOJ is certainly independent of Congress. As for the committee - the only thing they would've done differently was vote on a criminal referral for contempt of Congress. Although there is some truth to congressional contempt needing to stem from congress, The DOJ has no obligation to act on a referral - it is more akin to a recommendation.\nWith that being said, the committee knew it wasn't going to serve any real benefit, so they decided not to.\n\nThe DOJ decided not to prosecute Meadows and Scavino for contempt due to their close ties to the executive. This pretty much ruled out any chance of it happening to Trump, a former President. \nEven a completely successful referral (Steve Bannon) showed how inconsequential Congressional subpoena power is. For one, it is a misdemeanor. It has been ~15 months since Bannon was referred, and he was found guilty and sentenced, and he is still a free man pending appeal. And even if upheld, it's only 4 months in prison as just shy of maximum sentencing guidelines. \nThe DOJ, if they prosecute, are aiming at much bigger crimes - notably Obstruction of an Official Proceeding, which carries up to 20 years. And they'd be potentially trying these crimes in the same jurisdiction.\n\nSo I'm sure the calculation was that it just wasn't worth throwing a referral at the DOJ for something they'd never follow up on, and wouldn't be much benefit if they did.",
">\n\nIn summary, he’s committed so many crimes that this one isn’t worth any effort",
">\n\nEssentially, yeah. The DOJ has two big chances to secure a conviction: Mar-A-Lago and Jan. 6 - and they will likely bring multiple charges in a D.C. court if they decide to prosecute. Mar-A-Lago will come first, which has virtually nothing to do with this committee's work.\nReferring a misdemeanor to tack onto 4 serious felonies they referred probably only risked muddying the larger offenses. Can't blame them honestly.",
">\n\nWhat is “Mar a Lago” in this context! The tax scheme? Classified documents?",
">\n\nThe classified documents",
">\n\nSmall point but they weren't all classified and don't need to be, for what he did to be illegal. Just trying to avoid republican framing.",
">\n\nHillary was not afraid to testify every time she was asked (and testified for hours and hours each time, answering all questions asked) and never took the 5th. Yet republicans act like she is the criminal when it always has been trump.",
">\n\nEven if she was wrong she was smarter than any of the R in the room. That woman was a machine during those hearings and gave them nothing to work with.",
">\n\nShe is definitely smarter than that barrel of monkeys who questioned her, but ultimately, there was nothing to get from her - the perfect opposite case of crimey benedict donald and his co-conspirators.",
">\n\nIt's interesting to see that people think this subpoena would have continued to exist past Jan 3, 2023 given that that's when ALL open subpoenas from the outgoing congress expire and become null and void. Even if the J6 committee continued to exist- they would be required to file a brand new one in the new session.",
">\n\nIt wouldn't be that hard to file a brand new subpoena, they have lawyers who work full-time for them. That isn't an obstacle.",
">\n\nExcept for the committee doesn't exist in the new Congress and they have no powers to do anything if they don't exist.",
">\n\nIt's easy to get the two confused a lot of times.",
">\n\nHow many of y'all actually thought he wasn't going to run out the clock? \nNothing will fundamentally change.",
">\n\nNobody. The “justice takes time” chorus that dominated the narrative was only here to quell social unrest so society didn’t take a dive while the rich mocked us from their golden pedestals.",
">\n\nSerious question: Why? So what if the Dems lose power in the Congress. Let the Republicans be the one to formally dismantle the committee and subpoena on record. Then when hopefully Trump is charged by the DOJ, dems have another talking point for 2024 that the Republicans hate law and order and protect mob bosses.",
">\n\nThe select committee expires at the end of the congressional session. So they do not need to question him because the committee will not exist.",
">\n\nBut what is the point of formally withdrawing the subpoena? What does it accomplish?",
">\n\nThe committee is over. They have issued the report, they are closing up shop. They are following the process. A secondary part of the committees job was to show how a REAL congressional hearing should be handled. None of that sloppy ass grandstanding they did for Benghazi",
">\n\nMy viewpoint is that Trump and the GOP are just going to use this as “proof” that he did nothing wrong. Remember how the Mueller report “exonerated” Trump? His base believes this shit wholeheartedly and I guarantee he will use this as “evidence” for his innocence.\nShowing how things SHOULD be handled instead of taking whatever measures needed to protect Americans lead to Jan 6th happening in the first place. We all know how things should be handled, how the rules should work, but one side is willing to do whatever they need to keep power and the other is getting walked over.\nIs taking the high road worth letting fascism into our government?",
">\n\nIt’s good to know that republicans are allowed to ignore subpoenas. That’s useful info for them. Don’t expect dems to get that treatment",
">\n\nThey dropped the ball in not issuing one a couple of months ago",
">\n\nActually the Democrats have done everything not to ever pick up the ball even once. They let trump appointed republicans appoint a republican special counsel to fall like a straw man to blatant obstruction in the Russia probe. They turned it into a fundraiser for campaigning. \nThis time they let liz Cheney take the reins, who was able to preserve her republican prerogatives throughout this entire ordeal. \nThe fact is that you're all being cucked by forces of controlled opposition and I'm apparently the only one in the world who can't be so easily mitigated.\nI can't depend on any of you anymore than you can depend on yourselves.",
">\n\nYou lost all credibility at the end when you said cuck and act like you’re the smartest person in the world. Be gone!",
">\n\nYeah, I don't know how anyone can be expected to be taken seriously using that whole sentence unironically.",
">\n\nI don't expect to be taken seriously whether I say it or not, yet the facts remain as I've described.",
">\n\nI didn’t see that coming, said absolutely no one.",
">\n\nWhy.",
">\n\nHUGE mistake. The committee will be dissolved by the GOPers in a couple weeks, and all this did was to give the Marmalade Moses another fake victory to rile up his lemmings.",
">\n\nIt’s funny because I say the same thing every time about trump never getting charged and I always get shit about it like BUT NO THIS TIME IS DIFFERENT. \nLmao right. Sure it is.",
">\n\nFucking same. This is just more “ammo” for his orange, shit spewing mouth.",
">\n\nThis guy is still getting more media coverage than the current potus two years into his term. Crazy.",
">\n\nIt does blow that he wasn't forced to comply with the subpoena but for people thinking what a bummer this seems like, the house is switching to a republican majority in like a week so it didn't make a whole lot of sense to leave an active subpoena on record knowing it would never be resolved. They likely knew he wasn't going to comply when it was issued only now its offical that it was officially issued, ignored by trump, and terminated. Who knows if the DOJ will eventually file but everyone pretty much already knew that little temper tantrum trump wasn't going to aid in his own house sedition investigation.",
">\n\nIf we restrict ourselves to the issue of compliance with a subpoena from this committee, then the recent election clearly mooted every aspect of penalties or consequences related to ignoring the subpoena.\nIt's like a big brother was called over and little bro wanted him to force his adversary to bow and kiss the ground. But by the time big bro finally wanders over, the kid goes \"nah... we're good.\"\nA lot of folk like to believe contempt of court or contempt of congress is like any other crime where you do the deed and have to face the punishment. But, in general, these things do not work like crimes. Even where contempt has been codified such that there is a criminal contempt aspect, the goal remains to seek or to force compliance. This leads to \"punishments\" which are better or worse depending on how you view things. A simple view is that you could be \"sentenced\" to indefinite incarceration because it's a \"jailed until compliance\" thing.\nIn this case, Congress has been very, very reticent to try to use their inherent power to jail someone. So the most they ever do these days is refer the case to the DoJ to pursue criminal contempt of congress.\nAll in all, is this a \"good\" thing? Maybe it's not as bad as we feel it to be. Imagine any sort of argument where someone demands you do something. You retort \"are you sure?\" Bystanders urge folk cool down and think about it. Map that into the way Congress changes every two years and you get a sense that unless something is important enough that it remains after the public alters the composition of the legislative branch, maybe it's not all that important (to the public) after all.\nOn the other hand, why would anyone fear Congress when they demonstrate time and again there never really are any consequences for refusal to comply with subpoenas? But... do we want to quake in fear whenever some nutjob party gains control and enacts something as dire as the Committee on Unamerican Activities?",
">\n\nWhat is the advantage of dropping the subpoena, as opposed to just letting it expire/letting the new congress withdraw it? Why go on record saying he no longer has to come in? I get that he was never going to show, I’m just curious why this is better than the alternative.",
">\n\nI’m wondering this too. There has to be a good reason.",
">\n\n?? Why, like it had no power, but still why? This looks like weakness",
">\n\nThe subpoena expires when the new congress is sworn in on Jan 3rd. There was no practical way to enforce it.",
">\n\nWhy not just let it expire?\nNow Republicans have a talking point that the January 6th Committee withdrew their subpoena.\nThey'll use it to muddy the waters and spread more misinformation.",
">\n\nThey already had their talking points. They've had them the whole time. They already released a \"counter report\" to the J6 committee. The committee withdrew it because they are closing up shop. The report is out. Where would Donnie's answers go?",
">\n\nWhy was he not charged with contempt for no show? Once again, he gets let off for bad behaviour",
">\n\nBecause they referred him for 4 much more serious crimes with longer sentences. Referring him for this is essentially pointless.",
">\n\nYes, but i see it as another nail in the coffin, and also sends a message that subpoenas are not to be ignored",
">\n\nImagine if you or I tried to just ignore a subpoena.",
">\n\nIt’s OK if you’re a Republican, as the war criminal’s daughter who voted in line with Trump’s policies during her House tenure can attest.",
">\n\nAnother instance of unequal justice under the law, imo. If you or I disregarded a subpoena from Congress we'd be going to jail...like Steve Bannon.",
">\n\nDrag it out, do nothing, repeat. Glad the J6 group produced a ton of info and exposed a lot of the bs but what's the point of nothing really happens? Media circus? I'm so tired.",
">\n\nGreat precedent. It's good to know if I'm ever subpoenaed by congress I can just ignore it.",
">\n\nJ6 knew he'd puss out and just wanted to get it on the record. And for the same reason they haven't gone after Meadows for ignoring his subpoena, are all of the other serious crimes hanging over him and the orange Traitor in Chief, especially now, the subpoenas aren't worth the time and effort.",
">\n\n\nAnd for the same reason they haven't gone after Meadows for ignoring his subpoena\n\nTo be fair... the House voted him in criminal contempt and sent the referral to that to the DoJ. There wasn't really anything they could do beyond that with respect to his subpoena (yes, inherent contempt in theory exists, in practice it would have been useless for multiple reasons).\nMeadows is also included in the big criminal referrals the committee issued as part of their report as well.",
">\n\nAs usual, this country’s justice system is a joke",
">\n\nThis was a subpoena issued by the congress, not DOJ. He would be arrested if this was subpoena by DOJ and he didn’t show.",
">\n\nLike I said lol this country’s justice system is a joke",
">\n\nBut the justice system has not been involved yet!!! Congressional hearing is not an example of the justice system. The congress has referred the case to the DOJ or “the justice system” as a result of their hearing. DOJ will pursue a criminal investigation and pursue charges. \nJudiciary (justice system as you call it), congress, and executive branches are constitutionally separate and independent to ensure checks and balances.\nJustice system in the US is not ideal, but this specific instance is not an example of these inefficiencies. This is an example of how the congress has been ineffective in doing their legislative actions. In this instance the correct statement would be “Legislative system in this country is a joke.” Justice system has not had a chance to show its incompetence yet. That will be next.",
">\n\nNaive of you to think this is anything more than a show they’re putting on. Nothing will come of it, democrats are by nature pussies let’s be real. None have any teeth or claws. The right is full of a bunch of tribalistic monkeys, party is apparently more important than country. I guess I can rephrase, besides making money and being the best business in the world, America is a joke.",
">\n\n\"OMG. I'm so outraged by this even though I have no idea why.\"\nIt'd be nice if you guys learned the difference between the subpoena and the criminal referral. trump was never going to show up for the subpoena especially since the GOP is about to take control. It's a completely moot point.",
">\n\nExactly. The committee already referred him to the DoJ on criminal charges. Everyone is acting like they're just taking their ball and going home. They already went well and beyond a mere subpoena here, and one of the charges that they're recommending is obstruction already.",
">\n\nAren’t subpoenas mandatory with consequences? Either you show up or go to jail. Trump did neither.",
">\n\nNot if you are rich. Laws are you only for the the lower 90%",
">\n\nThis is such bullshit.",
">\n\nAnother precedent set for rich criminals to not comply. If we citizens didn’t show we’d be at a black site with electrodes on our genitals.",
">\n\nThey should have charged Trump with contempt of Congress.",
">\n\nSo whens the next uprising on behalf of rich people? Just be sure you're actually a political player because if you're just a worker you'll be charged. Chess has really changed over the past hundred years.",
">\n\nTotally expected. \nTrump, the really TV star, said he'd only agree to answer the subpoena if it were live & televised. It's quite obvious the reason is that he'd ignore the questioning & use the free air time to spew his BS, much like in the Presidential debates. \nAnd I'm sure the incoming Republican House would have loved to have given him the opportunity",
">\n\nyeah kinda moot at this point , they already made those criminal referrals anyways lol i wish they would have perused charging him for not showing up however but maybe they figured in light of everything they should focus on the key issues and at this point whatever he had to say really doesnt matter anyways as he would just lie. his testimony would pretty much be useless. its still a shame we didnt get to see it just for historys sake lol",
">\n\nAl trump would do is take the 5th like any other ordinary criminal",
">\n\nSo far as things have gone, will it now be ok for Democrats to ignore all the subpoenas that this next R House is going to send around? I’d think so….",
">\n\nOur government has failed us.... Good luck everyone.",
">\n\nAh yes the criminal Justice system, quite possibly the longest running joke in America",
">\n\n& you just know the cheeto will say something like, ha!, they dropped the subpoena cause they knew I am innocent, or some 💩 like that",
">\n\nNo surprise there. Trump is above the law, as he has proven time and again, over and over throughout the last several years. \nI will be surprised if anything comes out of this investigation, at all. \nI will be surprised if the next republican president isn't worse than Trump. \nI mean seriously, how do they convict him of anything if they can't even call him for questioning. Ever heard of anyone, ever, to get convicted of a crime that didn't have to talk to investigators at some point? \nFuck America. Fuck Trump. And fuck the pussy ass people who refuse to do their fucking job.",
">\n\nThey dropped it because it wasn't necessary and would have given him a national platform needlessly. DOJ will pass to the special council which will bring formal charges, if any will be brought.",
">\n\nThis is actually heartbreaking. Seen a lot of politicians and people of note show time and time again that the rules for EVERY CITIZEN don’t apply to them and this stings just a little more",
">\n\nMy theory that he is blackmailing everyone from the White House down with Area 51 malarky is still holding water...",
">\n\nLet us all start committing crimes and see how that goes, this is bs",
">\n\nSuch bs. I knew he would sleeze his way out of any consequences for his actions. This will only embolden him & his lunatic followers. He incites a riot that kills people & gets away with it. If any of us incited a riot, we would still be in jail & if people died during the riot, we would be charged with murder as well. So sick & tired of the double standard when it comes to a president who breaks the law & walks away, just like nixon did.",
">\n\nshould not have dropped\nshould have referred it to doj for contempt of congress...\nwhite rich continue to get a pass for what the rest of us would have long ago been prosecuted and imprisoned...",
">\n\nThey already referred him to DOJ for obstruction of a govt proceeding last week. What are you talking about?",
">\n\nYeah, because why would you want to subpoena the guy who was completely responsible for the entire thing?\nThe Chuck Schumer neoliberals have engineered this to completely let Trump get away with it - because they think the Republicans are still their friends and they don't want to piss them off!",
">\n\nThey subpoenaed trump months ago. He declined to show. Since, investigation is over, they dropped it. This is not even really news worthy.",
">\n\nHalf the people in this thread have no idea what they're talking about and are confusing the subpoena with the criminal referral.",
">\n\nOh, is that what's going on? Lol. I was wondering why ppl are making a big deal about this. This is just the committee cleaning up loose ends.",
">\n\nIt's a big deal if someone who's now a private citizen, can do wtf he wants and ignore a Congressional subpoena.",
">\n\nIt takes votes by congress to hold in contempt. They didn't need trump's testimony. He would just show up and repeat I plead the 5th anyway. Pence ignored his, too. It's pointless to hold them in contempt and get off focus of actual investigation.",
">\n\nYou're proving my point. Congressional Democrats should have enforced the subpoena and made Trump plead the 5th to every question. Imagine if Pence also appeared and pled the 5th to every question. That is political magic for the Democrats, it makes them look guilty as hell.\nTrump committed a crime, and this is America. It should be the same as if I committed a crime. We would get arrested, taken to jail until the morning, see a judge and face our charges, and then either get released on OR, held for trial, or bail set. It's not much of a democracy if laws are not enforced against powerful people.",
">\n\nOnce you all realize this is just a game and you’re the pawn things will make a lot more sense.",
">\n\nNow hear him cry about never getting a chance to testify when he’s charged.",
">\n\nI see this less as a “you’re excused” and more of a “see you in court”",
">\n\nNo need to bother with it when they've already finished their work. The only thing that testimony would have accomplished would have been getting Trump to look bad on national television, and a potential perjury charge. Trump already has embarrassed himself in public in a massive way since then, and they have bigger crimes to recommend to the DOJ for prosecution.",
">\n\nThe moment they announced the subpoena everyone got a hard on that trump would have to talk. I said it then and I’ll say it again, trump will never have to face any punishment and he doesn’t have to comply to any law or rules. They’re all more suggestions instead of laws.",
">\n\nWhat a waste of fucking time",
">\n\nSo......this was a big fat waste of time and money?",
">\n\nI mean they made a criminal referral so, no? The committee wasn’t set up to solely investigate Dolt 45 and took the testimony of over a thousand people, why is it you believe withdrawing one subpoena because the committee is winding down renders the entire process a “waste of time and money.”",
">\n\nNo mention on CNN that they dropped the subpoena after a year of January 6 January 6 January 6 terrible news station",
">\n\nWell, it’s being run by a Republican so go figure",
">\n\nTalk about the wheels of justice turning slow. In this case reversing altogether. Well done.",
">\n\nI wish this surprised me.",
">\n\nLOL God this is so funny\nWhat the fuck did y'all expect if you have money you are above the law. It only applies to the poor and those who step on the toes of capital.",
">\n\nWhat a waste of money",
">\n\n...And a Happy New Year!",
">\n\nClassic",
">\n\nShocking",
">\n\nOur governing body are a bunch of cowards. The US is being safeguarded by self-interested Congresspersons who speak about accountability and act on cowardice.",
">\n\nLet's be honest he'll get away with everything with a slap on the wrist. This country won't prosecute a sitting or former president or high ranking politician, we've seen this over and over. The whole committee is sadly a publicity stunt to gain traction for Democrat's. I hope I'm completely wrong of course and that this country will start to feel like it's a democracy.",
">\n\nThe coup is in effect.",
">\n\nI have a sad feeling this committee is going to end up like a fart in the wind",
">\n\nYou’re not wrong",
">\n\nWtf are you talking about?",
">\n\nHands",
">\n\nWho are you talking to? Lmao",
">\n\nWent out with a whimper. The most Democrat thing ever.\nWish the Dems would learn how to take the gloves off, at least they would have a shot against an opponent that has no problems filling their gloves with lead shot. Then bragging about it.",
">\n\nThe subpoena, and associated contempt charges would be nothing when compared to the recommendations made by the committee to the DOJ. Whether or not the DOJ will act is all that matters at this point.",
">\n\nPathetic pieces of shit",
">\n\nAll theatre, all the time. Seems like by now, to most people, that somehow being trolled by their favorite elected might be possible.",
">\n\nSo wait, he just gets away with everything? Just like that?\nWhat about all the articles saying that Trump will most likely spend the rest of his life in prison?",
">\n\nThe subpoena has nothing to do with the recommendations made by the committee to the DOJ. The ball is in the DOJ’s court. The subpoena doesn’t impact anything. Absurd that he didn’t get held in contempt, but that is more of a distraction than anything.",
">\n\nI see. Thanks for explaining!",
">\n\nCan anyone explain why he was not arrested for not responding to the subpoena? I thought you had to respond to these?",
">\n\nFirst they would have had to vote for contempt. Then they would need to issue a referral to DOJ, then DOJ would need to consider it. That is not happening in a week before the new congress is sworn in an this committee expires. They have issued their report and no longer need to speak to him. That is why it was withdrawn. Their job is done.",
">\n\nSubpoenas are real, or they’re not.\nIn the real world if any person defied or ignored a subpoena they would be arrested immediately.\nWhy are some Americans allowed to break the law in broad daylight."
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DOJ has charged over 700 people out of January 6 and they continue to charge cases. Most of these cases took months if not years to come to fruition.
At the end of the day DOJ has no obligation to act on any of the committee’s referrals, although I believe they already have ongoing investigations as to several of the subjects. If anything new comes out of the committee’s work it’s unlikely to happen soon.
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"So far Trump's legal strategy of ignoring calls for accountability until Republicans in Congress can bail him out is workingly flawlessly.",
">\n\nThat doesn’t mean the DoJ can’t charge and prosecute. \nRight now everything is in response to republicans getting their slim majority in the house and lessen the damage they will do.\nThat said, they still have the mountain of evidence they did gather",
">\n\nWhat about when the AG/DOJ is a GOP appointee? You don’t think they’ll just put in a Bill Barr type on the entire thing?",
">\n\nNot while they have a democratic president and especially when the previous president lost them the midterms.\nThey were already planning on replacing trump with Desantes by equating the 2 (Martha’s Vineyard was part of that), they’re only gonna lose trying to put their party’s future on the line protect him further.\nThey gonna continue to spread doubt and try to discredit the investigations, but they’re barely holding onto a branch of government, they’re not stupid. Barr only worked because they held onto 2",
">\n\nUmmm that’s not what I meant. If a GOP candidate for President wins in 2024 , what are the actual legal implications. It’s not like it’s below them to interfere like they did with the collusion charges",
">\n\n\nThe House January 6 committee is withdrawing its subpoena of former President Donald Trump as it concludes its work.\n“In light of the imminent end of our investigation, the Select Committee can no longer pursue the specific information covered by the subpoena,” Chairman Bennie Thompson, a Mississippi Democrat, wrote in a letter to Trump’s attorney Wednesday obtained by CNN.\n“Therefore, through this letter, I hereby formally withdraw the subpoena issued to former President Trump, and notify you that he is no longer obligated to comply or produce records in response to said subpoena,” Thompson added.",
">\n\nConclusion: Former president Trump is above the law.",
">\n\nYeah kind of makes me sad. Trump can just ignore a subpoena, with zero consequences. \n“We believe you tried to overthrow the government. You are legally required to come talk to us about it.”\n“No thanks.”\n“Oh. Ok, never mind.”",
">\n\nNo consequences? He's has been referred to the DOJ for obstruction of a govt processing last week. They held a recorded vote.",
">\n\nThat’s not a consequence. It’s kicking the can. Trump will never, ever be held responsible for his role in destroying democracy in America.",
">\n\nThis is not TV or a movie. \"The wheels of justice grind slowly yet exceedingly fine\" is a saying for a reason. Federal investigations usually take years.",
">\n\nHe’s been investigated for years. No consequences. Just special appointments, investigations, and referrals. In the mean time, you know who DOES face consequences?\nAmerica.",
">\n\nYou are judging the end of the movie before it is over.\nThe previous investigations were being done while he had the shield of the presidency and an attorney general running obstruction for him. None of that is true now.",
">\n\nThe GOP will continue fighting on his behalf, because the majority are complicit in 45’s fuckery. Again, no consequences will be had. I’m willing to wager a gift card to your favorite local restaurant that he will live fat, rich, and free until at least the 2024/25 inauguration. Save this post.",
">\n\nWe'll see about that. I'll admit to the loss if thats the case.",
">\n\nMore proof that we the people have no rights in comparison to the billionaire ticks.",
">\n\nDude ain't no billionaire",
">\n\nNo, but his buddies are.",
">\n\nHis puppet masters maybe",
">\n\nI mean, who would have thought not starting the fight sooner would end like this?",
">\n\nDon’t worry. He’s got so many more coming.",
">\n\nThe idea that Trump will pay any price for his crimes is a fantasy.",
">\n\nIt’s actually happening. His company has been found guilty. His charity is closed. His cohorts are about to go to jail. His popularity sagging. Protection is gone. We just need the first indictment.",
">\n\nBut none is him",
">\n\nWell Trump Org is pretty much him but be patient.",
">\n\nDrops in the bucket. \nBeen patient for like 6 years now. How much more we gotta wait?",
">\n\nHe couldn’t be prosecuted while president. Watch GA and the special prosecutor. They’re moving fast.",
">\n\nCouldn't be?\nShould have been.",
">\n\nThat’s absolutely wild that any man is able to just straight up ignore a subpoena with zero consequences. Definition of “above the law”. If he gets away with this, he is going to be more dangerous than ever. You get away with leading a coup/insurrection, you’re going to assume you can get away with literally anything. \nMaybe trump was right… he really could shoot someone in the middle of 5th avenue and not lose any voters…and also probably not even get in trouble",
">\n\nSerious questions...so the committee pull the subpoena, but it's up to DOJ for any additional follow up, but when the new congress is in session they can tell DOJ to drop everything? Is that how's its going to go down? Because I thought DOJ is supposed to be independent once given the committee's findings?",
">\n\nThe DOJ is certainly independent of Congress. As for the committee - the only thing they would've done differently was vote on a criminal referral for contempt of Congress. Although there is some truth to congressional contempt needing to stem from congress, The DOJ has no obligation to act on a referral - it is more akin to a recommendation.\nWith that being said, the committee knew it wasn't going to serve any real benefit, so they decided not to.\n\nThe DOJ decided not to prosecute Meadows and Scavino for contempt due to their close ties to the executive. This pretty much ruled out any chance of it happening to Trump, a former President. \nEven a completely successful referral (Steve Bannon) showed how inconsequential Congressional subpoena power is. For one, it is a misdemeanor. It has been ~15 months since Bannon was referred, and he was found guilty and sentenced, and he is still a free man pending appeal. And even if upheld, it's only 4 months in prison as just shy of maximum sentencing guidelines. \nThe DOJ, if they prosecute, are aiming at much bigger crimes - notably Obstruction of an Official Proceeding, which carries up to 20 years. And they'd be potentially trying these crimes in the same jurisdiction.\n\nSo I'm sure the calculation was that it just wasn't worth throwing a referral at the DOJ for something they'd never follow up on, and wouldn't be much benefit if they did.",
">\n\nIn summary, he’s committed so many crimes that this one isn’t worth any effort",
">\n\nEssentially, yeah. The DOJ has two big chances to secure a conviction: Mar-A-Lago and Jan. 6 - and they will likely bring multiple charges in a D.C. court if they decide to prosecute. Mar-A-Lago will come first, which has virtually nothing to do with this committee's work.\nReferring a misdemeanor to tack onto 4 serious felonies they referred probably only risked muddying the larger offenses. Can't blame them honestly.",
">\n\nWhat is “Mar a Lago” in this context! The tax scheme? Classified documents?",
">\n\nThe classified documents",
">\n\nSmall point but they weren't all classified and don't need to be, for what he did to be illegal. Just trying to avoid republican framing.",
">\n\nHillary was not afraid to testify every time she was asked (and testified for hours and hours each time, answering all questions asked) and never took the 5th. Yet republicans act like she is the criminal when it always has been trump.",
">\n\nEven if she was wrong she was smarter than any of the R in the room. That woman was a machine during those hearings and gave them nothing to work with.",
">\n\nShe is definitely smarter than that barrel of monkeys who questioned her, but ultimately, there was nothing to get from her - the perfect opposite case of crimey benedict donald and his co-conspirators.",
">\n\nIt's interesting to see that people think this subpoena would have continued to exist past Jan 3, 2023 given that that's when ALL open subpoenas from the outgoing congress expire and become null and void. Even if the J6 committee continued to exist- they would be required to file a brand new one in the new session.",
">\n\nIt wouldn't be that hard to file a brand new subpoena, they have lawyers who work full-time for them. That isn't an obstacle.",
">\n\nExcept for the committee doesn't exist in the new Congress and they have no powers to do anything if they don't exist.",
">\n\nIt's easy to get the two confused a lot of times.",
">\n\nHow many of y'all actually thought he wasn't going to run out the clock? \nNothing will fundamentally change.",
">\n\nNobody. The “justice takes time” chorus that dominated the narrative was only here to quell social unrest so society didn’t take a dive while the rich mocked us from their golden pedestals.",
">\n\nSerious question: Why? So what if the Dems lose power in the Congress. Let the Republicans be the one to formally dismantle the committee and subpoena on record. Then when hopefully Trump is charged by the DOJ, dems have another talking point for 2024 that the Republicans hate law and order and protect mob bosses.",
">\n\nThe select committee expires at the end of the congressional session. So they do not need to question him because the committee will not exist.",
">\n\nBut what is the point of formally withdrawing the subpoena? What does it accomplish?",
">\n\nThe committee is over. They have issued the report, they are closing up shop. They are following the process. A secondary part of the committees job was to show how a REAL congressional hearing should be handled. None of that sloppy ass grandstanding they did for Benghazi",
">\n\nMy viewpoint is that Trump and the GOP are just going to use this as “proof” that he did nothing wrong. Remember how the Mueller report “exonerated” Trump? His base believes this shit wholeheartedly and I guarantee he will use this as “evidence” for his innocence.\nShowing how things SHOULD be handled instead of taking whatever measures needed to protect Americans lead to Jan 6th happening in the first place. We all know how things should be handled, how the rules should work, but one side is willing to do whatever they need to keep power and the other is getting walked over.\nIs taking the high road worth letting fascism into our government?",
">\n\nIt’s good to know that republicans are allowed to ignore subpoenas. That’s useful info for them. Don’t expect dems to get that treatment",
">\n\nThey dropped the ball in not issuing one a couple of months ago",
">\n\nActually the Democrats have done everything not to ever pick up the ball even once. They let trump appointed republicans appoint a republican special counsel to fall like a straw man to blatant obstruction in the Russia probe. They turned it into a fundraiser for campaigning. \nThis time they let liz Cheney take the reins, who was able to preserve her republican prerogatives throughout this entire ordeal. \nThe fact is that you're all being cucked by forces of controlled opposition and I'm apparently the only one in the world who can't be so easily mitigated.\nI can't depend on any of you anymore than you can depend on yourselves.",
">\n\nYou lost all credibility at the end when you said cuck and act like you’re the smartest person in the world. Be gone!",
">\n\nYeah, I don't know how anyone can be expected to be taken seriously using that whole sentence unironically.",
">\n\nI don't expect to be taken seriously whether I say it or not, yet the facts remain as I've described.",
">\n\nI didn’t see that coming, said absolutely no one.",
">\n\nWhy.",
">\n\nHUGE mistake. The committee will be dissolved by the GOPers in a couple weeks, and all this did was to give the Marmalade Moses another fake victory to rile up his lemmings.",
">\n\nIt’s funny because I say the same thing every time about trump never getting charged and I always get shit about it like BUT NO THIS TIME IS DIFFERENT. \nLmao right. Sure it is.",
">\n\nFucking same. This is just more “ammo” for his orange, shit spewing mouth.",
">\n\nThis guy is still getting more media coverage than the current potus two years into his term. Crazy.",
">\n\nIt does blow that he wasn't forced to comply with the subpoena but for people thinking what a bummer this seems like, the house is switching to a republican majority in like a week so it didn't make a whole lot of sense to leave an active subpoena on record knowing it would never be resolved. They likely knew he wasn't going to comply when it was issued only now its offical that it was officially issued, ignored by trump, and terminated. Who knows if the DOJ will eventually file but everyone pretty much already knew that little temper tantrum trump wasn't going to aid in his own house sedition investigation.",
">\n\nIf we restrict ourselves to the issue of compliance with a subpoena from this committee, then the recent election clearly mooted every aspect of penalties or consequences related to ignoring the subpoena.\nIt's like a big brother was called over and little bro wanted him to force his adversary to bow and kiss the ground. But by the time big bro finally wanders over, the kid goes \"nah... we're good.\"\nA lot of folk like to believe contempt of court or contempt of congress is like any other crime where you do the deed and have to face the punishment. But, in general, these things do not work like crimes. Even where contempt has been codified such that there is a criminal contempt aspect, the goal remains to seek or to force compliance. This leads to \"punishments\" which are better or worse depending on how you view things. A simple view is that you could be \"sentenced\" to indefinite incarceration because it's a \"jailed until compliance\" thing.\nIn this case, Congress has been very, very reticent to try to use their inherent power to jail someone. So the most they ever do these days is refer the case to the DoJ to pursue criminal contempt of congress.\nAll in all, is this a \"good\" thing? Maybe it's not as bad as we feel it to be. Imagine any sort of argument where someone demands you do something. You retort \"are you sure?\" Bystanders urge folk cool down and think about it. Map that into the way Congress changes every two years and you get a sense that unless something is important enough that it remains after the public alters the composition of the legislative branch, maybe it's not all that important (to the public) after all.\nOn the other hand, why would anyone fear Congress when they demonstrate time and again there never really are any consequences for refusal to comply with subpoenas? But... do we want to quake in fear whenever some nutjob party gains control and enacts something as dire as the Committee on Unamerican Activities?",
">\n\nWhat is the advantage of dropping the subpoena, as opposed to just letting it expire/letting the new congress withdraw it? Why go on record saying he no longer has to come in? I get that he was never going to show, I’m just curious why this is better than the alternative.",
">\n\nI’m wondering this too. There has to be a good reason.",
">\n\n?? Why, like it had no power, but still why? This looks like weakness",
">\n\nThe subpoena expires when the new congress is sworn in on Jan 3rd. There was no practical way to enforce it.",
">\n\nWhy not just let it expire?\nNow Republicans have a talking point that the January 6th Committee withdrew their subpoena.\nThey'll use it to muddy the waters and spread more misinformation.",
">\n\nThey already had their talking points. They've had them the whole time. They already released a \"counter report\" to the J6 committee. The committee withdrew it because they are closing up shop. The report is out. Where would Donnie's answers go?",
">\n\nWhy was he not charged with contempt for no show? Once again, he gets let off for bad behaviour",
">\n\nBecause they referred him for 4 much more serious crimes with longer sentences. Referring him for this is essentially pointless.",
">\n\nYes, but i see it as another nail in the coffin, and also sends a message that subpoenas are not to be ignored",
">\n\nImagine if you or I tried to just ignore a subpoena.",
">\n\nIt’s OK if you’re a Republican, as the war criminal’s daughter who voted in line with Trump’s policies during her House tenure can attest.",
">\n\nAnother instance of unequal justice under the law, imo. If you or I disregarded a subpoena from Congress we'd be going to jail...like Steve Bannon.",
">\n\nDrag it out, do nothing, repeat. Glad the J6 group produced a ton of info and exposed a lot of the bs but what's the point of nothing really happens? Media circus? I'm so tired.",
">\n\nGreat precedent. It's good to know if I'm ever subpoenaed by congress I can just ignore it.",
">\n\nJ6 knew he'd puss out and just wanted to get it on the record. And for the same reason they haven't gone after Meadows for ignoring his subpoena, are all of the other serious crimes hanging over him and the orange Traitor in Chief, especially now, the subpoenas aren't worth the time and effort.",
">\n\n\nAnd for the same reason they haven't gone after Meadows for ignoring his subpoena\n\nTo be fair... the House voted him in criminal contempt and sent the referral to that to the DoJ. There wasn't really anything they could do beyond that with respect to his subpoena (yes, inherent contempt in theory exists, in practice it would have been useless for multiple reasons).\nMeadows is also included in the big criminal referrals the committee issued as part of their report as well.",
">\n\nAs usual, this country’s justice system is a joke",
">\n\nThis was a subpoena issued by the congress, not DOJ. He would be arrested if this was subpoena by DOJ and he didn’t show.",
">\n\nLike I said lol this country’s justice system is a joke",
">\n\nBut the justice system has not been involved yet!!! Congressional hearing is not an example of the justice system. The congress has referred the case to the DOJ or “the justice system” as a result of their hearing. DOJ will pursue a criminal investigation and pursue charges. \nJudiciary (justice system as you call it), congress, and executive branches are constitutionally separate and independent to ensure checks and balances.\nJustice system in the US is not ideal, but this specific instance is not an example of these inefficiencies. This is an example of how the congress has been ineffective in doing their legislative actions. In this instance the correct statement would be “Legislative system in this country is a joke.” Justice system has not had a chance to show its incompetence yet. That will be next.",
">\n\nNaive of you to think this is anything more than a show they’re putting on. Nothing will come of it, democrats are by nature pussies let’s be real. None have any teeth or claws. The right is full of a bunch of tribalistic monkeys, party is apparently more important than country. I guess I can rephrase, besides making money and being the best business in the world, America is a joke.",
">\n\n\"OMG. I'm so outraged by this even though I have no idea why.\"\nIt'd be nice if you guys learned the difference between the subpoena and the criminal referral. trump was never going to show up for the subpoena especially since the GOP is about to take control. It's a completely moot point.",
">\n\nExactly. The committee already referred him to the DoJ on criminal charges. Everyone is acting like they're just taking their ball and going home. They already went well and beyond a mere subpoena here, and one of the charges that they're recommending is obstruction already.",
">\n\nAren’t subpoenas mandatory with consequences? Either you show up or go to jail. Trump did neither.",
">\n\nNot if you are rich. Laws are you only for the the lower 90%",
">\n\nThis is such bullshit.",
">\n\nAnother precedent set for rich criminals to not comply. If we citizens didn’t show we’d be at a black site with electrodes on our genitals.",
">\n\nThey should have charged Trump with contempt of Congress.",
">\n\nSo whens the next uprising on behalf of rich people? Just be sure you're actually a political player because if you're just a worker you'll be charged. Chess has really changed over the past hundred years.",
">\n\nTotally expected. \nTrump, the really TV star, said he'd only agree to answer the subpoena if it were live & televised. It's quite obvious the reason is that he'd ignore the questioning & use the free air time to spew his BS, much like in the Presidential debates. \nAnd I'm sure the incoming Republican House would have loved to have given him the opportunity",
">\n\nyeah kinda moot at this point , they already made those criminal referrals anyways lol i wish they would have perused charging him for not showing up however but maybe they figured in light of everything they should focus on the key issues and at this point whatever he had to say really doesnt matter anyways as he would just lie. his testimony would pretty much be useless. its still a shame we didnt get to see it just for historys sake lol",
">\n\nAl trump would do is take the 5th like any other ordinary criminal",
">\n\nSo far as things have gone, will it now be ok for Democrats to ignore all the subpoenas that this next R House is going to send around? I’d think so….",
">\n\nOur government has failed us.... Good luck everyone.",
">\n\nAh yes the criminal Justice system, quite possibly the longest running joke in America",
">\n\n& you just know the cheeto will say something like, ha!, they dropped the subpoena cause they knew I am innocent, or some 💩 like that",
">\n\nNo surprise there. Trump is above the law, as he has proven time and again, over and over throughout the last several years. \nI will be surprised if anything comes out of this investigation, at all. \nI will be surprised if the next republican president isn't worse than Trump. \nI mean seriously, how do they convict him of anything if they can't even call him for questioning. Ever heard of anyone, ever, to get convicted of a crime that didn't have to talk to investigators at some point? \nFuck America. Fuck Trump. And fuck the pussy ass people who refuse to do their fucking job.",
">\n\nThey dropped it because it wasn't necessary and would have given him a national platform needlessly. DOJ will pass to the special council which will bring formal charges, if any will be brought.",
">\n\nThis is actually heartbreaking. Seen a lot of politicians and people of note show time and time again that the rules for EVERY CITIZEN don’t apply to them and this stings just a little more",
">\n\nMy theory that he is blackmailing everyone from the White House down with Area 51 malarky is still holding water...",
">\n\nLet us all start committing crimes and see how that goes, this is bs",
">\n\nSuch bs. I knew he would sleeze his way out of any consequences for his actions. This will only embolden him & his lunatic followers. He incites a riot that kills people & gets away with it. If any of us incited a riot, we would still be in jail & if people died during the riot, we would be charged with murder as well. So sick & tired of the double standard when it comes to a president who breaks the law & walks away, just like nixon did.",
">\n\nshould not have dropped\nshould have referred it to doj for contempt of congress...\nwhite rich continue to get a pass for what the rest of us would have long ago been prosecuted and imprisoned...",
">\n\nThey already referred him to DOJ for obstruction of a govt proceeding last week. What are you talking about?",
">\n\nYeah, because why would you want to subpoena the guy who was completely responsible for the entire thing?\nThe Chuck Schumer neoliberals have engineered this to completely let Trump get away with it - because they think the Republicans are still their friends and they don't want to piss them off!",
">\n\nThey subpoenaed trump months ago. He declined to show. Since, investigation is over, they dropped it. This is not even really news worthy.",
">\n\nHalf the people in this thread have no idea what they're talking about and are confusing the subpoena with the criminal referral.",
">\n\nOh, is that what's going on? Lol. I was wondering why ppl are making a big deal about this. This is just the committee cleaning up loose ends.",
">\n\nIt's a big deal if someone who's now a private citizen, can do wtf he wants and ignore a Congressional subpoena.",
">\n\nIt takes votes by congress to hold in contempt. They didn't need trump's testimony. He would just show up and repeat I plead the 5th anyway. Pence ignored his, too. It's pointless to hold them in contempt and get off focus of actual investigation.",
">\n\nYou're proving my point. Congressional Democrats should have enforced the subpoena and made Trump plead the 5th to every question. Imagine if Pence also appeared and pled the 5th to every question. That is political magic for the Democrats, it makes them look guilty as hell.\nTrump committed a crime, and this is America. It should be the same as if I committed a crime. We would get arrested, taken to jail until the morning, see a judge and face our charges, and then either get released on OR, held for trial, or bail set. It's not much of a democracy if laws are not enforced against powerful people.",
">\n\nOnce you all realize this is just a game and you’re the pawn things will make a lot more sense.",
">\n\nNow hear him cry about never getting a chance to testify when he’s charged.",
">\n\nI see this less as a “you’re excused” and more of a “see you in court”",
">\n\nNo need to bother with it when they've already finished their work. The only thing that testimony would have accomplished would have been getting Trump to look bad on national television, and a potential perjury charge. Trump already has embarrassed himself in public in a massive way since then, and they have bigger crimes to recommend to the DOJ for prosecution.",
">\n\nThe moment they announced the subpoena everyone got a hard on that trump would have to talk. I said it then and I’ll say it again, trump will never have to face any punishment and he doesn’t have to comply to any law or rules. They’re all more suggestions instead of laws.",
">\n\nWhat a waste of fucking time",
">\n\nSo......this was a big fat waste of time and money?",
">\n\nI mean they made a criminal referral so, no? The committee wasn’t set up to solely investigate Dolt 45 and took the testimony of over a thousand people, why is it you believe withdrawing one subpoena because the committee is winding down renders the entire process a “waste of time and money.”",
">\n\nNo mention on CNN that they dropped the subpoena after a year of January 6 January 6 January 6 terrible news station",
">\n\nWell, it’s being run by a Republican so go figure",
">\n\nTalk about the wheels of justice turning slow. In this case reversing altogether. Well done.",
">\n\nI wish this surprised me.",
">\n\nLOL God this is so funny\nWhat the fuck did y'all expect if you have money you are above the law. It only applies to the poor and those who step on the toes of capital.",
">\n\nWhat a waste of money",
">\n\n...And a Happy New Year!",
">\n\nClassic",
">\n\nShocking",
">\n\nOur governing body are a bunch of cowards. The US is being safeguarded by self-interested Congresspersons who speak about accountability and act on cowardice.",
">\n\nLet's be honest he'll get away with everything with a slap on the wrist. This country won't prosecute a sitting or former president or high ranking politician, we've seen this over and over. The whole committee is sadly a publicity stunt to gain traction for Democrat's. I hope I'm completely wrong of course and that this country will start to feel like it's a democracy.",
">\n\nThe coup is in effect.",
">\n\nI have a sad feeling this committee is going to end up like a fart in the wind",
">\n\nYou’re not wrong",
">\n\nWtf are you talking about?",
">\n\nHands",
">\n\nWho are you talking to? Lmao",
">\n\nWent out with a whimper. The most Democrat thing ever.\nWish the Dems would learn how to take the gloves off, at least they would have a shot against an opponent that has no problems filling their gloves with lead shot. Then bragging about it.",
">\n\nThe subpoena, and associated contempt charges would be nothing when compared to the recommendations made by the committee to the DOJ. Whether or not the DOJ will act is all that matters at this point.",
">\n\nPathetic pieces of shit",
">\n\nAll theatre, all the time. Seems like by now, to most people, that somehow being trolled by their favorite elected might be possible.",
">\n\nSo wait, he just gets away with everything? Just like that?\nWhat about all the articles saying that Trump will most likely spend the rest of his life in prison?",
">\n\nThe subpoena has nothing to do with the recommendations made by the committee to the DOJ. The ball is in the DOJ’s court. The subpoena doesn’t impact anything. Absurd that he didn’t get held in contempt, but that is more of a distraction than anything.",
">\n\nI see. Thanks for explaining!",
">\n\nCan anyone explain why he was not arrested for not responding to the subpoena? I thought you had to respond to these?",
">\n\nFirst they would have had to vote for contempt. Then they would need to issue a referral to DOJ, then DOJ would need to consider it. That is not happening in a week before the new congress is sworn in an this committee expires. They have issued their report and no longer need to speak to him. That is why it was withdrawn. Their job is done.",
">\n\nSubpoenas are real, or they’re not.\nIn the real world if any person defied or ignored a subpoena they would be arrested immediately.\nWhy are some Americans allowed to break the law in broad daylight.",
">\n\nWhy is the DOJ dragging its feet in charging anyone?"
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The US is beyond broken. The wealthy can do whatever they want while we are the only ones who face consequences. I can’t wait to leave this shithole again. I won’t be making the mistake of coming back like I did last year.
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"So far Trump's legal strategy of ignoring calls for accountability until Republicans in Congress can bail him out is workingly flawlessly.",
">\n\nThat doesn’t mean the DoJ can’t charge and prosecute. \nRight now everything is in response to republicans getting their slim majority in the house and lessen the damage they will do.\nThat said, they still have the mountain of evidence they did gather",
">\n\nWhat about when the AG/DOJ is a GOP appointee? You don’t think they’ll just put in a Bill Barr type on the entire thing?",
">\n\nNot while they have a democratic president and especially when the previous president lost them the midterms.\nThey were already planning on replacing trump with Desantes by equating the 2 (Martha’s Vineyard was part of that), they’re only gonna lose trying to put their party’s future on the line protect him further.\nThey gonna continue to spread doubt and try to discredit the investigations, but they’re barely holding onto a branch of government, they’re not stupid. Barr only worked because they held onto 2",
">\n\nUmmm that’s not what I meant. If a GOP candidate for President wins in 2024 , what are the actual legal implications. It’s not like it’s below them to interfere like they did with the collusion charges",
">\n\n\nThe House January 6 committee is withdrawing its subpoena of former President Donald Trump as it concludes its work.\n“In light of the imminent end of our investigation, the Select Committee can no longer pursue the specific information covered by the subpoena,” Chairman Bennie Thompson, a Mississippi Democrat, wrote in a letter to Trump’s attorney Wednesday obtained by CNN.\n“Therefore, through this letter, I hereby formally withdraw the subpoena issued to former President Trump, and notify you that he is no longer obligated to comply or produce records in response to said subpoena,” Thompson added.",
">\n\nConclusion: Former president Trump is above the law.",
">\n\nYeah kind of makes me sad. Trump can just ignore a subpoena, with zero consequences. \n“We believe you tried to overthrow the government. You are legally required to come talk to us about it.”\n“No thanks.”\n“Oh. Ok, never mind.”",
">\n\nNo consequences? He's has been referred to the DOJ for obstruction of a govt processing last week. They held a recorded vote.",
">\n\nThat’s not a consequence. It’s kicking the can. Trump will never, ever be held responsible for his role in destroying democracy in America.",
">\n\nThis is not TV or a movie. \"The wheels of justice grind slowly yet exceedingly fine\" is a saying for a reason. Federal investigations usually take years.",
">\n\nHe’s been investigated for years. No consequences. Just special appointments, investigations, and referrals. In the mean time, you know who DOES face consequences?\nAmerica.",
">\n\nYou are judging the end of the movie before it is over.\nThe previous investigations were being done while he had the shield of the presidency and an attorney general running obstruction for him. None of that is true now.",
">\n\nThe GOP will continue fighting on his behalf, because the majority are complicit in 45’s fuckery. Again, no consequences will be had. I’m willing to wager a gift card to your favorite local restaurant that he will live fat, rich, and free until at least the 2024/25 inauguration. Save this post.",
">\n\nWe'll see about that. I'll admit to the loss if thats the case.",
">\n\nMore proof that we the people have no rights in comparison to the billionaire ticks.",
">\n\nDude ain't no billionaire",
">\n\nNo, but his buddies are.",
">\n\nHis puppet masters maybe",
">\n\nI mean, who would have thought not starting the fight sooner would end like this?",
">\n\nDon’t worry. He’s got so many more coming.",
">\n\nThe idea that Trump will pay any price for his crimes is a fantasy.",
">\n\nIt’s actually happening. His company has been found guilty. His charity is closed. His cohorts are about to go to jail. His popularity sagging. Protection is gone. We just need the first indictment.",
">\n\nBut none is him",
">\n\nWell Trump Org is pretty much him but be patient.",
">\n\nDrops in the bucket. \nBeen patient for like 6 years now. How much more we gotta wait?",
">\n\nHe couldn’t be prosecuted while president. Watch GA and the special prosecutor. They’re moving fast.",
">\n\nCouldn't be?\nShould have been.",
">\n\nThat’s absolutely wild that any man is able to just straight up ignore a subpoena with zero consequences. Definition of “above the law”. If he gets away with this, he is going to be more dangerous than ever. You get away with leading a coup/insurrection, you’re going to assume you can get away with literally anything. \nMaybe trump was right… he really could shoot someone in the middle of 5th avenue and not lose any voters…and also probably not even get in trouble",
">\n\nSerious questions...so the committee pull the subpoena, but it's up to DOJ for any additional follow up, but when the new congress is in session they can tell DOJ to drop everything? Is that how's its going to go down? Because I thought DOJ is supposed to be independent once given the committee's findings?",
">\n\nThe DOJ is certainly independent of Congress. As for the committee - the only thing they would've done differently was vote on a criminal referral for contempt of Congress. Although there is some truth to congressional contempt needing to stem from congress, The DOJ has no obligation to act on a referral - it is more akin to a recommendation.\nWith that being said, the committee knew it wasn't going to serve any real benefit, so they decided not to.\n\nThe DOJ decided not to prosecute Meadows and Scavino for contempt due to their close ties to the executive. This pretty much ruled out any chance of it happening to Trump, a former President. \nEven a completely successful referral (Steve Bannon) showed how inconsequential Congressional subpoena power is. For one, it is a misdemeanor. It has been ~15 months since Bannon was referred, and he was found guilty and sentenced, and he is still a free man pending appeal. And even if upheld, it's only 4 months in prison as just shy of maximum sentencing guidelines. \nThe DOJ, if they prosecute, are aiming at much bigger crimes - notably Obstruction of an Official Proceeding, which carries up to 20 years. And they'd be potentially trying these crimes in the same jurisdiction.\n\nSo I'm sure the calculation was that it just wasn't worth throwing a referral at the DOJ for something they'd never follow up on, and wouldn't be much benefit if they did.",
">\n\nIn summary, he’s committed so many crimes that this one isn’t worth any effort",
">\n\nEssentially, yeah. The DOJ has two big chances to secure a conviction: Mar-A-Lago and Jan. 6 - and they will likely bring multiple charges in a D.C. court if they decide to prosecute. Mar-A-Lago will come first, which has virtually nothing to do with this committee's work.\nReferring a misdemeanor to tack onto 4 serious felonies they referred probably only risked muddying the larger offenses. Can't blame them honestly.",
">\n\nWhat is “Mar a Lago” in this context! The tax scheme? Classified documents?",
">\n\nThe classified documents",
">\n\nSmall point but they weren't all classified and don't need to be, for what he did to be illegal. Just trying to avoid republican framing.",
">\n\nHillary was not afraid to testify every time she was asked (and testified for hours and hours each time, answering all questions asked) and never took the 5th. Yet republicans act like she is the criminal when it always has been trump.",
">\n\nEven if she was wrong she was smarter than any of the R in the room. That woman was a machine during those hearings and gave them nothing to work with.",
">\n\nShe is definitely smarter than that barrel of monkeys who questioned her, but ultimately, there was nothing to get from her - the perfect opposite case of crimey benedict donald and his co-conspirators.",
">\n\nIt's interesting to see that people think this subpoena would have continued to exist past Jan 3, 2023 given that that's when ALL open subpoenas from the outgoing congress expire and become null and void. Even if the J6 committee continued to exist- they would be required to file a brand new one in the new session.",
">\n\nIt wouldn't be that hard to file a brand new subpoena, they have lawyers who work full-time for them. That isn't an obstacle.",
">\n\nExcept for the committee doesn't exist in the new Congress and they have no powers to do anything if they don't exist.",
">\n\nIt's easy to get the two confused a lot of times.",
">\n\nHow many of y'all actually thought he wasn't going to run out the clock? \nNothing will fundamentally change.",
">\n\nNobody. The “justice takes time” chorus that dominated the narrative was only here to quell social unrest so society didn’t take a dive while the rich mocked us from their golden pedestals.",
">\n\nSerious question: Why? So what if the Dems lose power in the Congress. Let the Republicans be the one to formally dismantle the committee and subpoena on record. Then when hopefully Trump is charged by the DOJ, dems have another talking point for 2024 that the Republicans hate law and order and protect mob bosses.",
">\n\nThe select committee expires at the end of the congressional session. So they do not need to question him because the committee will not exist.",
">\n\nBut what is the point of formally withdrawing the subpoena? What does it accomplish?",
">\n\nThe committee is over. They have issued the report, they are closing up shop. They are following the process. A secondary part of the committees job was to show how a REAL congressional hearing should be handled. None of that sloppy ass grandstanding they did for Benghazi",
">\n\nMy viewpoint is that Trump and the GOP are just going to use this as “proof” that he did nothing wrong. Remember how the Mueller report “exonerated” Trump? His base believes this shit wholeheartedly and I guarantee he will use this as “evidence” for his innocence.\nShowing how things SHOULD be handled instead of taking whatever measures needed to protect Americans lead to Jan 6th happening in the first place. We all know how things should be handled, how the rules should work, but one side is willing to do whatever they need to keep power and the other is getting walked over.\nIs taking the high road worth letting fascism into our government?",
">\n\nIt’s good to know that republicans are allowed to ignore subpoenas. That’s useful info for them. Don’t expect dems to get that treatment",
">\n\nThey dropped the ball in not issuing one a couple of months ago",
">\n\nActually the Democrats have done everything not to ever pick up the ball even once. They let trump appointed republicans appoint a republican special counsel to fall like a straw man to blatant obstruction in the Russia probe. They turned it into a fundraiser for campaigning. \nThis time they let liz Cheney take the reins, who was able to preserve her republican prerogatives throughout this entire ordeal. \nThe fact is that you're all being cucked by forces of controlled opposition and I'm apparently the only one in the world who can't be so easily mitigated.\nI can't depend on any of you anymore than you can depend on yourselves.",
">\n\nYou lost all credibility at the end when you said cuck and act like you’re the smartest person in the world. Be gone!",
">\n\nYeah, I don't know how anyone can be expected to be taken seriously using that whole sentence unironically.",
">\n\nI don't expect to be taken seriously whether I say it or not, yet the facts remain as I've described.",
">\n\nI didn’t see that coming, said absolutely no one.",
">\n\nWhy.",
">\n\nHUGE mistake. The committee will be dissolved by the GOPers in a couple weeks, and all this did was to give the Marmalade Moses another fake victory to rile up his lemmings.",
">\n\nIt’s funny because I say the same thing every time about trump never getting charged and I always get shit about it like BUT NO THIS TIME IS DIFFERENT. \nLmao right. Sure it is.",
">\n\nFucking same. This is just more “ammo” for his orange, shit spewing mouth.",
">\n\nThis guy is still getting more media coverage than the current potus two years into his term. Crazy.",
">\n\nIt does blow that he wasn't forced to comply with the subpoena but for people thinking what a bummer this seems like, the house is switching to a republican majority in like a week so it didn't make a whole lot of sense to leave an active subpoena on record knowing it would never be resolved. They likely knew he wasn't going to comply when it was issued only now its offical that it was officially issued, ignored by trump, and terminated. Who knows if the DOJ will eventually file but everyone pretty much already knew that little temper tantrum trump wasn't going to aid in his own house sedition investigation.",
">\n\nIf we restrict ourselves to the issue of compliance with a subpoena from this committee, then the recent election clearly mooted every aspect of penalties or consequences related to ignoring the subpoena.\nIt's like a big brother was called over and little bro wanted him to force his adversary to bow and kiss the ground. But by the time big bro finally wanders over, the kid goes \"nah... we're good.\"\nA lot of folk like to believe contempt of court or contempt of congress is like any other crime where you do the deed and have to face the punishment. But, in general, these things do not work like crimes. Even where contempt has been codified such that there is a criminal contempt aspect, the goal remains to seek or to force compliance. This leads to \"punishments\" which are better or worse depending on how you view things. A simple view is that you could be \"sentenced\" to indefinite incarceration because it's a \"jailed until compliance\" thing.\nIn this case, Congress has been very, very reticent to try to use their inherent power to jail someone. So the most they ever do these days is refer the case to the DoJ to pursue criminal contempt of congress.\nAll in all, is this a \"good\" thing? Maybe it's not as bad as we feel it to be. Imagine any sort of argument where someone demands you do something. You retort \"are you sure?\" Bystanders urge folk cool down and think about it. Map that into the way Congress changes every two years and you get a sense that unless something is important enough that it remains after the public alters the composition of the legislative branch, maybe it's not all that important (to the public) after all.\nOn the other hand, why would anyone fear Congress when they demonstrate time and again there never really are any consequences for refusal to comply with subpoenas? But... do we want to quake in fear whenever some nutjob party gains control and enacts something as dire as the Committee on Unamerican Activities?",
">\n\nWhat is the advantage of dropping the subpoena, as opposed to just letting it expire/letting the new congress withdraw it? Why go on record saying he no longer has to come in? I get that he was never going to show, I’m just curious why this is better than the alternative.",
">\n\nI’m wondering this too. There has to be a good reason.",
">\n\n?? Why, like it had no power, but still why? This looks like weakness",
">\n\nThe subpoena expires when the new congress is sworn in on Jan 3rd. There was no practical way to enforce it.",
">\n\nWhy not just let it expire?\nNow Republicans have a talking point that the January 6th Committee withdrew their subpoena.\nThey'll use it to muddy the waters and spread more misinformation.",
">\n\nThey already had their talking points. They've had them the whole time. They already released a \"counter report\" to the J6 committee. The committee withdrew it because they are closing up shop. The report is out. Where would Donnie's answers go?",
">\n\nWhy was he not charged with contempt for no show? Once again, he gets let off for bad behaviour",
">\n\nBecause they referred him for 4 much more serious crimes with longer sentences. Referring him for this is essentially pointless.",
">\n\nYes, but i see it as another nail in the coffin, and also sends a message that subpoenas are not to be ignored",
">\n\nImagine if you or I tried to just ignore a subpoena.",
">\n\nIt’s OK if you’re a Republican, as the war criminal’s daughter who voted in line with Trump’s policies during her House tenure can attest.",
">\n\nAnother instance of unequal justice under the law, imo. If you or I disregarded a subpoena from Congress we'd be going to jail...like Steve Bannon.",
">\n\nDrag it out, do nothing, repeat. Glad the J6 group produced a ton of info and exposed a lot of the bs but what's the point of nothing really happens? Media circus? I'm so tired.",
">\n\nGreat precedent. It's good to know if I'm ever subpoenaed by congress I can just ignore it.",
">\n\nJ6 knew he'd puss out and just wanted to get it on the record. And for the same reason they haven't gone after Meadows for ignoring his subpoena, are all of the other serious crimes hanging over him and the orange Traitor in Chief, especially now, the subpoenas aren't worth the time and effort.",
">\n\n\nAnd for the same reason they haven't gone after Meadows for ignoring his subpoena\n\nTo be fair... the House voted him in criminal contempt and sent the referral to that to the DoJ. There wasn't really anything they could do beyond that with respect to his subpoena (yes, inherent contempt in theory exists, in practice it would have been useless for multiple reasons).\nMeadows is also included in the big criminal referrals the committee issued as part of their report as well.",
">\n\nAs usual, this country’s justice system is a joke",
">\n\nThis was a subpoena issued by the congress, not DOJ. He would be arrested if this was subpoena by DOJ and he didn’t show.",
">\n\nLike I said lol this country’s justice system is a joke",
">\n\nBut the justice system has not been involved yet!!! Congressional hearing is not an example of the justice system. The congress has referred the case to the DOJ or “the justice system” as a result of their hearing. DOJ will pursue a criminal investigation and pursue charges. \nJudiciary (justice system as you call it), congress, and executive branches are constitutionally separate and independent to ensure checks and balances.\nJustice system in the US is not ideal, but this specific instance is not an example of these inefficiencies. This is an example of how the congress has been ineffective in doing their legislative actions. In this instance the correct statement would be “Legislative system in this country is a joke.” Justice system has not had a chance to show its incompetence yet. That will be next.",
">\n\nNaive of you to think this is anything more than a show they’re putting on. Nothing will come of it, democrats are by nature pussies let’s be real. None have any teeth or claws. The right is full of a bunch of tribalistic monkeys, party is apparently more important than country. I guess I can rephrase, besides making money and being the best business in the world, America is a joke.",
">\n\n\"OMG. I'm so outraged by this even though I have no idea why.\"\nIt'd be nice if you guys learned the difference between the subpoena and the criminal referral. trump was never going to show up for the subpoena especially since the GOP is about to take control. It's a completely moot point.",
">\n\nExactly. The committee already referred him to the DoJ on criminal charges. Everyone is acting like they're just taking their ball and going home. They already went well and beyond a mere subpoena here, and one of the charges that they're recommending is obstruction already.",
">\n\nAren’t subpoenas mandatory with consequences? Either you show up or go to jail. Trump did neither.",
">\n\nNot if you are rich. Laws are you only for the the lower 90%",
">\n\nThis is such bullshit.",
">\n\nAnother precedent set for rich criminals to not comply. If we citizens didn’t show we’d be at a black site with electrodes on our genitals.",
">\n\nThey should have charged Trump with contempt of Congress.",
">\n\nSo whens the next uprising on behalf of rich people? Just be sure you're actually a political player because if you're just a worker you'll be charged. Chess has really changed over the past hundred years.",
">\n\nTotally expected. \nTrump, the really TV star, said he'd only agree to answer the subpoena if it were live & televised. It's quite obvious the reason is that he'd ignore the questioning & use the free air time to spew his BS, much like in the Presidential debates. \nAnd I'm sure the incoming Republican House would have loved to have given him the opportunity",
">\n\nyeah kinda moot at this point , they already made those criminal referrals anyways lol i wish they would have perused charging him for not showing up however but maybe they figured in light of everything they should focus on the key issues and at this point whatever he had to say really doesnt matter anyways as he would just lie. his testimony would pretty much be useless. its still a shame we didnt get to see it just for historys sake lol",
">\n\nAl trump would do is take the 5th like any other ordinary criminal",
">\n\nSo far as things have gone, will it now be ok for Democrats to ignore all the subpoenas that this next R House is going to send around? I’d think so….",
">\n\nOur government has failed us.... Good luck everyone.",
">\n\nAh yes the criminal Justice system, quite possibly the longest running joke in America",
">\n\n& you just know the cheeto will say something like, ha!, they dropped the subpoena cause they knew I am innocent, or some 💩 like that",
">\n\nNo surprise there. Trump is above the law, as he has proven time and again, over and over throughout the last several years. \nI will be surprised if anything comes out of this investigation, at all. \nI will be surprised if the next republican president isn't worse than Trump. \nI mean seriously, how do they convict him of anything if they can't even call him for questioning. Ever heard of anyone, ever, to get convicted of a crime that didn't have to talk to investigators at some point? \nFuck America. Fuck Trump. And fuck the pussy ass people who refuse to do their fucking job.",
">\n\nThey dropped it because it wasn't necessary and would have given him a national platform needlessly. DOJ will pass to the special council which will bring formal charges, if any will be brought.",
">\n\nThis is actually heartbreaking. Seen a lot of politicians and people of note show time and time again that the rules for EVERY CITIZEN don’t apply to them and this stings just a little more",
">\n\nMy theory that he is blackmailing everyone from the White House down with Area 51 malarky is still holding water...",
">\n\nLet us all start committing crimes and see how that goes, this is bs",
">\n\nSuch bs. I knew he would sleeze his way out of any consequences for his actions. This will only embolden him & his lunatic followers. He incites a riot that kills people & gets away with it. If any of us incited a riot, we would still be in jail & if people died during the riot, we would be charged with murder as well. So sick & tired of the double standard when it comes to a president who breaks the law & walks away, just like nixon did.",
">\n\nshould not have dropped\nshould have referred it to doj for contempt of congress...\nwhite rich continue to get a pass for what the rest of us would have long ago been prosecuted and imprisoned...",
">\n\nThey already referred him to DOJ for obstruction of a govt proceeding last week. What are you talking about?",
">\n\nYeah, because why would you want to subpoena the guy who was completely responsible for the entire thing?\nThe Chuck Schumer neoliberals have engineered this to completely let Trump get away with it - because they think the Republicans are still their friends and they don't want to piss them off!",
">\n\nThey subpoenaed trump months ago. He declined to show. Since, investigation is over, they dropped it. This is not even really news worthy.",
">\n\nHalf the people in this thread have no idea what they're talking about and are confusing the subpoena with the criminal referral.",
">\n\nOh, is that what's going on? Lol. I was wondering why ppl are making a big deal about this. This is just the committee cleaning up loose ends.",
">\n\nIt's a big deal if someone who's now a private citizen, can do wtf he wants and ignore a Congressional subpoena.",
">\n\nIt takes votes by congress to hold in contempt. They didn't need trump's testimony. He would just show up and repeat I plead the 5th anyway. Pence ignored his, too. It's pointless to hold them in contempt and get off focus of actual investigation.",
">\n\nYou're proving my point. Congressional Democrats should have enforced the subpoena and made Trump plead the 5th to every question. Imagine if Pence also appeared and pled the 5th to every question. That is political magic for the Democrats, it makes them look guilty as hell.\nTrump committed a crime, and this is America. It should be the same as if I committed a crime. We would get arrested, taken to jail until the morning, see a judge and face our charges, and then either get released on OR, held for trial, or bail set. It's not much of a democracy if laws are not enforced against powerful people.",
">\n\nOnce you all realize this is just a game and you’re the pawn things will make a lot more sense.",
">\n\nNow hear him cry about never getting a chance to testify when he’s charged.",
">\n\nI see this less as a “you’re excused” and more of a “see you in court”",
">\n\nNo need to bother with it when they've already finished their work. The only thing that testimony would have accomplished would have been getting Trump to look bad on national television, and a potential perjury charge. Trump already has embarrassed himself in public in a massive way since then, and they have bigger crimes to recommend to the DOJ for prosecution.",
">\n\nThe moment they announced the subpoena everyone got a hard on that trump would have to talk. I said it then and I’ll say it again, trump will never have to face any punishment and he doesn’t have to comply to any law or rules. They’re all more suggestions instead of laws.",
">\n\nWhat a waste of fucking time",
">\n\nSo......this was a big fat waste of time and money?",
">\n\nI mean they made a criminal referral so, no? The committee wasn’t set up to solely investigate Dolt 45 and took the testimony of over a thousand people, why is it you believe withdrawing one subpoena because the committee is winding down renders the entire process a “waste of time and money.”",
">\n\nNo mention on CNN that they dropped the subpoena after a year of January 6 January 6 January 6 terrible news station",
">\n\nWell, it’s being run by a Republican so go figure",
">\n\nTalk about the wheels of justice turning slow. In this case reversing altogether. Well done.",
">\n\nI wish this surprised me.",
">\n\nLOL God this is so funny\nWhat the fuck did y'all expect if you have money you are above the law. It only applies to the poor and those who step on the toes of capital.",
">\n\nWhat a waste of money",
">\n\n...And a Happy New Year!",
">\n\nClassic",
">\n\nShocking",
">\n\nOur governing body are a bunch of cowards. The US is being safeguarded by self-interested Congresspersons who speak about accountability and act on cowardice.",
">\n\nLet's be honest he'll get away with everything with a slap on the wrist. This country won't prosecute a sitting or former president or high ranking politician, we've seen this over and over. The whole committee is sadly a publicity stunt to gain traction for Democrat's. I hope I'm completely wrong of course and that this country will start to feel like it's a democracy.",
">\n\nThe coup is in effect.",
">\n\nI have a sad feeling this committee is going to end up like a fart in the wind",
">\n\nYou’re not wrong",
">\n\nWtf are you talking about?",
">\n\nHands",
">\n\nWho are you talking to? Lmao",
">\n\nWent out with a whimper. The most Democrat thing ever.\nWish the Dems would learn how to take the gloves off, at least they would have a shot against an opponent that has no problems filling their gloves with lead shot. Then bragging about it.",
">\n\nThe subpoena, and associated contempt charges would be nothing when compared to the recommendations made by the committee to the DOJ. Whether or not the DOJ will act is all that matters at this point.",
">\n\nPathetic pieces of shit",
">\n\nAll theatre, all the time. Seems like by now, to most people, that somehow being trolled by their favorite elected might be possible.",
">\n\nSo wait, he just gets away with everything? Just like that?\nWhat about all the articles saying that Trump will most likely spend the rest of his life in prison?",
">\n\nThe subpoena has nothing to do with the recommendations made by the committee to the DOJ. The ball is in the DOJ’s court. The subpoena doesn’t impact anything. Absurd that he didn’t get held in contempt, but that is more of a distraction than anything.",
">\n\nI see. Thanks for explaining!",
">\n\nCan anyone explain why he was not arrested for not responding to the subpoena? I thought you had to respond to these?",
">\n\nFirst they would have had to vote for contempt. Then they would need to issue a referral to DOJ, then DOJ would need to consider it. That is not happening in a week before the new congress is sworn in an this committee expires. They have issued their report and no longer need to speak to him. That is why it was withdrawn. Their job is done.",
">\n\nSubpoenas are real, or they’re not.\nIn the real world if any person defied or ignored a subpoena they would be arrested immediately.\nWhy are some Americans allowed to break the law in broad daylight.",
">\n\nWhy is the DOJ dragging its feet in charging anyone?",
">\n\nDOJ has charged over 700 people out of January 6 and they continue to charge cases. Most of these cases took months if not years to come to fruition.\nAt the end of the day DOJ has no obligation to act on any of the committee’s referrals, although I believe they already have ongoing investigations as to several of the subjects. If anything new comes out of the committee’s work it’s unlikely to happen soon."
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"So far Trump's legal strategy of ignoring calls for accountability until Republicans in Congress can bail him out is workingly flawlessly.",
">\n\nThat doesn’t mean the DoJ can’t charge and prosecute. \nRight now everything is in response to republicans getting their slim majority in the house and lessen the damage they will do.\nThat said, they still have the mountain of evidence they did gather",
">\n\nWhat about when the AG/DOJ is a GOP appointee? You don’t think they’ll just put in a Bill Barr type on the entire thing?",
">\n\nNot while they have a democratic president and especially when the previous president lost them the midterms.\nThey were already planning on replacing trump with Desantes by equating the 2 (Martha’s Vineyard was part of that), they’re only gonna lose trying to put their party’s future on the line protect him further.\nThey gonna continue to spread doubt and try to discredit the investigations, but they’re barely holding onto a branch of government, they’re not stupid. Barr only worked because they held onto 2",
">\n\nUmmm that’s not what I meant. If a GOP candidate for President wins in 2024 , what are the actual legal implications. It’s not like it’s below them to interfere like they did with the collusion charges",
">\n\n\nThe House January 6 committee is withdrawing its subpoena of former President Donald Trump as it concludes its work.\n“In light of the imminent end of our investigation, the Select Committee can no longer pursue the specific information covered by the subpoena,” Chairman Bennie Thompson, a Mississippi Democrat, wrote in a letter to Trump’s attorney Wednesday obtained by CNN.\n“Therefore, through this letter, I hereby formally withdraw the subpoena issued to former President Trump, and notify you that he is no longer obligated to comply or produce records in response to said subpoena,” Thompson added.",
">\n\nConclusion: Former president Trump is above the law.",
">\n\nYeah kind of makes me sad. Trump can just ignore a subpoena, with zero consequences. \n“We believe you tried to overthrow the government. You are legally required to come talk to us about it.”\n“No thanks.”\n“Oh. Ok, never mind.”",
">\n\nNo consequences? He's has been referred to the DOJ for obstruction of a govt processing last week. They held a recorded vote.",
">\n\nThat’s not a consequence. It’s kicking the can. Trump will never, ever be held responsible for his role in destroying democracy in America.",
">\n\nThis is not TV or a movie. \"The wheels of justice grind slowly yet exceedingly fine\" is a saying for a reason. Federal investigations usually take years.",
">\n\nHe’s been investigated for years. No consequences. Just special appointments, investigations, and referrals. In the mean time, you know who DOES face consequences?\nAmerica.",
">\n\nYou are judging the end of the movie before it is over.\nThe previous investigations were being done while he had the shield of the presidency and an attorney general running obstruction for him. None of that is true now.",
">\n\nThe GOP will continue fighting on his behalf, because the majority are complicit in 45’s fuckery. Again, no consequences will be had. I’m willing to wager a gift card to your favorite local restaurant that he will live fat, rich, and free until at least the 2024/25 inauguration. Save this post.",
">\n\nWe'll see about that. I'll admit to the loss if thats the case.",
">\n\nMore proof that we the people have no rights in comparison to the billionaire ticks.",
">\n\nDude ain't no billionaire",
">\n\nNo, but his buddies are.",
">\n\nHis puppet masters maybe",
">\n\nI mean, who would have thought not starting the fight sooner would end like this?",
">\n\nDon’t worry. He’s got so many more coming.",
">\n\nThe idea that Trump will pay any price for his crimes is a fantasy.",
">\n\nIt’s actually happening. His company has been found guilty. His charity is closed. His cohorts are about to go to jail. His popularity sagging. Protection is gone. We just need the first indictment.",
">\n\nBut none is him",
">\n\nWell Trump Org is pretty much him but be patient.",
">\n\nDrops in the bucket. \nBeen patient for like 6 years now. How much more we gotta wait?",
">\n\nHe couldn’t be prosecuted while president. Watch GA and the special prosecutor. They’re moving fast.",
">\n\nCouldn't be?\nShould have been.",
">\n\nThat’s absolutely wild that any man is able to just straight up ignore a subpoena with zero consequences. Definition of “above the law”. If he gets away with this, he is going to be more dangerous than ever. You get away with leading a coup/insurrection, you’re going to assume you can get away with literally anything. \nMaybe trump was right… he really could shoot someone in the middle of 5th avenue and not lose any voters…and also probably not even get in trouble",
">\n\nSerious questions...so the committee pull the subpoena, but it's up to DOJ for any additional follow up, but when the new congress is in session they can tell DOJ to drop everything? Is that how's its going to go down? Because I thought DOJ is supposed to be independent once given the committee's findings?",
">\n\nThe DOJ is certainly independent of Congress. As for the committee - the only thing they would've done differently was vote on a criminal referral for contempt of Congress. Although there is some truth to congressional contempt needing to stem from congress, The DOJ has no obligation to act on a referral - it is more akin to a recommendation.\nWith that being said, the committee knew it wasn't going to serve any real benefit, so they decided not to.\n\nThe DOJ decided not to prosecute Meadows and Scavino for contempt due to their close ties to the executive. This pretty much ruled out any chance of it happening to Trump, a former President. \nEven a completely successful referral (Steve Bannon) showed how inconsequential Congressional subpoena power is. For one, it is a misdemeanor. It has been ~15 months since Bannon was referred, and he was found guilty and sentenced, and he is still a free man pending appeal. And even if upheld, it's only 4 months in prison as just shy of maximum sentencing guidelines. \nThe DOJ, if they prosecute, are aiming at much bigger crimes - notably Obstruction of an Official Proceeding, which carries up to 20 years. And they'd be potentially trying these crimes in the same jurisdiction.\n\nSo I'm sure the calculation was that it just wasn't worth throwing a referral at the DOJ for something they'd never follow up on, and wouldn't be much benefit if they did.",
">\n\nIn summary, he’s committed so many crimes that this one isn’t worth any effort",
">\n\nEssentially, yeah. The DOJ has two big chances to secure a conviction: Mar-A-Lago and Jan. 6 - and they will likely bring multiple charges in a D.C. court if they decide to prosecute. Mar-A-Lago will come first, which has virtually nothing to do with this committee's work.\nReferring a misdemeanor to tack onto 4 serious felonies they referred probably only risked muddying the larger offenses. Can't blame them honestly.",
">\n\nWhat is “Mar a Lago” in this context! The tax scheme? Classified documents?",
">\n\nThe classified documents",
">\n\nSmall point but they weren't all classified and don't need to be, for what he did to be illegal. Just trying to avoid republican framing.",
">\n\nHillary was not afraid to testify every time she was asked (and testified for hours and hours each time, answering all questions asked) and never took the 5th. Yet republicans act like she is the criminal when it always has been trump.",
">\n\nEven if she was wrong she was smarter than any of the R in the room. That woman was a machine during those hearings and gave them nothing to work with.",
">\n\nShe is definitely smarter than that barrel of monkeys who questioned her, but ultimately, there was nothing to get from her - the perfect opposite case of crimey benedict donald and his co-conspirators.",
">\n\nIt's interesting to see that people think this subpoena would have continued to exist past Jan 3, 2023 given that that's when ALL open subpoenas from the outgoing congress expire and become null and void. Even if the J6 committee continued to exist- they would be required to file a brand new one in the new session.",
">\n\nIt wouldn't be that hard to file a brand new subpoena, they have lawyers who work full-time for them. That isn't an obstacle.",
">\n\nExcept for the committee doesn't exist in the new Congress and they have no powers to do anything if they don't exist.",
">\n\nIt's easy to get the two confused a lot of times.",
">\n\nHow many of y'all actually thought he wasn't going to run out the clock? \nNothing will fundamentally change.",
">\n\nNobody. The “justice takes time” chorus that dominated the narrative was only here to quell social unrest so society didn’t take a dive while the rich mocked us from their golden pedestals.",
">\n\nSerious question: Why? So what if the Dems lose power in the Congress. Let the Republicans be the one to formally dismantle the committee and subpoena on record. Then when hopefully Trump is charged by the DOJ, dems have another talking point for 2024 that the Republicans hate law and order and protect mob bosses.",
">\n\nThe select committee expires at the end of the congressional session. So they do not need to question him because the committee will not exist.",
">\n\nBut what is the point of formally withdrawing the subpoena? What does it accomplish?",
">\n\nThe committee is over. They have issued the report, they are closing up shop. They are following the process. A secondary part of the committees job was to show how a REAL congressional hearing should be handled. None of that sloppy ass grandstanding they did for Benghazi",
">\n\nMy viewpoint is that Trump and the GOP are just going to use this as “proof” that he did nothing wrong. Remember how the Mueller report “exonerated” Trump? His base believes this shit wholeheartedly and I guarantee he will use this as “evidence” for his innocence.\nShowing how things SHOULD be handled instead of taking whatever measures needed to protect Americans lead to Jan 6th happening in the first place. We all know how things should be handled, how the rules should work, but one side is willing to do whatever they need to keep power and the other is getting walked over.\nIs taking the high road worth letting fascism into our government?",
">\n\nIt’s good to know that republicans are allowed to ignore subpoenas. That’s useful info for them. Don’t expect dems to get that treatment",
">\n\nThey dropped the ball in not issuing one a couple of months ago",
">\n\nActually the Democrats have done everything not to ever pick up the ball even once. They let trump appointed republicans appoint a republican special counsel to fall like a straw man to blatant obstruction in the Russia probe. They turned it into a fundraiser for campaigning. \nThis time they let liz Cheney take the reins, who was able to preserve her republican prerogatives throughout this entire ordeal. \nThe fact is that you're all being cucked by forces of controlled opposition and I'm apparently the only one in the world who can't be so easily mitigated.\nI can't depend on any of you anymore than you can depend on yourselves.",
">\n\nYou lost all credibility at the end when you said cuck and act like you’re the smartest person in the world. Be gone!",
">\n\nYeah, I don't know how anyone can be expected to be taken seriously using that whole sentence unironically.",
">\n\nI don't expect to be taken seriously whether I say it or not, yet the facts remain as I've described.",
">\n\nI didn’t see that coming, said absolutely no one.",
">\n\nWhy.",
">\n\nHUGE mistake. The committee will be dissolved by the GOPers in a couple weeks, and all this did was to give the Marmalade Moses another fake victory to rile up his lemmings.",
">\n\nIt’s funny because I say the same thing every time about trump never getting charged and I always get shit about it like BUT NO THIS TIME IS DIFFERENT. \nLmao right. Sure it is.",
">\n\nFucking same. This is just more “ammo” for his orange, shit spewing mouth.",
">\n\nThis guy is still getting more media coverage than the current potus two years into his term. Crazy.",
">\n\nIt does blow that he wasn't forced to comply with the subpoena but for people thinking what a bummer this seems like, the house is switching to a republican majority in like a week so it didn't make a whole lot of sense to leave an active subpoena on record knowing it would never be resolved. They likely knew he wasn't going to comply when it was issued only now its offical that it was officially issued, ignored by trump, and terminated. Who knows if the DOJ will eventually file but everyone pretty much already knew that little temper tantrum trump wasn't going to aid in his own house sedition investigation.",
">\n\nIf we restrict ourselves to the issue of compliance with a subpoena from this committee, then the recent election clearly mooted every aspect of penalties or consequences related to ignoring the subpoena.\nIt's like a big brother was called over and little bro wanted him to force his adversary to bow and kiss the ground. But by the time big bro finally wanders over, the kid goes \"nah... we're good.\"\nA lot of folk like to believe contempt of court or contempt of congress is like any other crime where you do the deed and have to face the punishment. But, in general, these things do not work like crimes. Even where contempt has been codified such that there is a criminal contempt aspect, the goal remains to seek or to force compliance. This leads to \"punishments\" which are better or worse depending on how you view things. A simple view is that you could be \"sentenced\" to indefinite incarceration because it's a \"jailed until compliance\" thing.\nIn this case, Congress has been very, very reticent to try to use their inherent power to jail someone. So the most they ever do these days is refer the case to the DoJ to pursue criminal contempt of congress.\nAll in all, is this a \"good\" thing? Maybe it's not as bad as we feel it to be. Imagine any sort of argument where someone demands you do something. You retort \"are you sure?\" Bystanders urge folk cool down and think about it. Map that into the way Congress changes every two years and you get a sense that unless something is important enough that it remains after the public alters the composition of the legislative branch, maybe it's not all that important (to the public) after all.\nOn the other hand, why would anyone fear Congress when they demonstrate time and again there never really are any consequences for refusal to comply with subpoenas? But... do we want to quake in fear whenever some nutjob party gains control and enacts something as dire as the Committee on Unamerican Activities?",
">\n\nWhat is the advantage of dropping the subpoena, as opposed to just letting it expire/letting the new congress withdraw it? Why go on record saying he no longer has to come in? I get that he was never going to show, I’m just curious why this is better than the alternative.",
">\n\nI’m wondering this too. There has to be a good reason.",
">\n\n?? Why, like it had no power, but still why? This looks like weakness",
">\n\nThe subpoena expires when the new congress is sworn in on Jan 3rd. There was no practical way to enforce it.",
">\n\nWhy not just let it expire?\nNow Republicans have a talking point that the January 6th Committee withdrew their subpoena.\nThey'll use it to muddy the waters and spread more misinformation.",
">\n\nThey already had their talking points. They've had them the whole time. They already released a \"counter report\" to the J6 committee. The committee withdrew it because they are closing up shop. The report is out. Where would Donnie's answers go?",
">\n\nWhy was he not charged with contempt for no show? Once again, he gets let off for bad behaviour",
">\n\nBecause they referred him for 4 much more serious crimes with longer sentences. Referring him for this is essentially pointless.",
">\n\nYes, but i see it as another nail in the coffin, and also sends a message that subpoenas are not to be ignored",
">\n\nImagine if you or I tried to just ignore a subpoena.",
">\n\nIt’s OK if you’re a Republican, as the war criminal’s daughter who voted in line with Trump’s policies during her House tenure can attest.",
">\n\nAnother instance of unequal justice under the law, imo. If you or I disregarded a subpoena from Congress we'd be going to jail...like Steve Bannon.",
">\n\nDrag it out, do nothing, repeat. Glad the J6 group produced a ton of info and exposed a lot of the bs but what's the point of nothing really happens? Media circus? I'm so tired.",
">\n\nGreat precedent. It's good to know if I'm ever subpoenaed by congress I can just ignore it.",
">\n\nJ6 knew he'd puss out and just wanted to get it on the record. And for the same reason they haven't gone after Meadows for ignoring his subpoena, are all of the other serious crimes hanging over him and the orange Traitor in Chief, especially now, the subpoenas aren't worth the time and effort.",
">\n\n\nAnd for the same reason they haven't gone after Meadows for ignoring his subpoena\n\nTo be fair... the House voted him in criminal contempt and sent the referral to that to the DoJ. There wasn't really anything they could do beyond that with respect to his subpoena (yes, inherent contempt in theory exists, in practice it would have been useless for multiple reasons).\nMeadows is also included in the big criminal referrals the committee issued as part of their report as well.",
">\n\nAs usual, this country’s justice system is a joke",
">\n\nThis was a subpoena issued by the congress, not DOJ. He would be arrested if this was subpoena by DOJ and he didn’t show.",
">\n\nLike I said lol this country’s justice system is a joke",
">\n\nBut the justice system has not been involved yet!!! Congressional hearing is not an example of the justice system. The congress has referred the case to the DOJ or “the justice system” as a result of their hearing. DOJ will pursue a criminal investigation and pursue charges. \nJudiciary (justice system as you call it), congress, and executive branches are constitutionally separate and independent to ensure checks and balances.\nJustice system in the US is not ideal, but this specific instance is not an example of these inefficiencies. This is an example of how the congress has been ineffective in doing their legislative actions. In this instance the correct statement would be “Legislative system in this country is a joke.” Justice system has not had a chance to show its incompetence yet. That will be next.",
">\n\nNaive of you to think this is anything more than a show they’re putting on. Nothing will come of it, democrats are by nature pussies let’s be real. None have any teeth or claws. The right is full of a bunch of tribalistic monkeys, party is apparently more important than country. I guess I can rephrase, besides making money and being the best business in the world, America is a joke.",
">\n\n\"OMG. I'm so outraged by this even though I have no idea why.\"\nIt'd be nice if you guys learned the difference between the subpoena and the criminal referral. trump was never going to show up for the subpoena especially since the GOP is about to take control. It's a completely moot point.",
">\n\nExactly. The committee already referred him to the DoJ on criminal charges. Everyone is acting like they're just taking their ball and going home. They already went well and beyond a mere subpoena here, and one of the charges that they're recommending is obstruction already.",
">\n\nAren’t subpoenas mandatory with consequences? Either you show up or go to jail. Trump did neither.",
">\n\nNot if you are rich. Laws are you only for the the lower 90%",
">\n\nThis is such bullshit.",
">\n\nAnother precedent set for rich criminals to not comply. If we citizens didn’t show we’d be at a black site with electrodes on our genitals.",
">\n\nThey should have charged Trump with contempt of Congress.",
">\n\nSo whens the next uprising on behalf of rich people? Just be sure you're actually a political player because if you're just a worker you'll be charged. Chess has really changed over the past hundred years.",
">\n\nTotally expected. \nTrump, the really TV star, said he'd only agree to answer the subpoena if it were live & televised. It's quite obvious the reason is that he'd ignore the questioning & use the free air time to spew his BS, much like in the Presidential debates. \nAnd I'm sure the incoming Republican House would have loved to have given him the opportunity",
">\n\nyeah kinda moot at this point , they already made those criminal referrals anyways lol i wish they would have perused charging him for not showing up however but maybe they figured in light of everything they should focus on the key issues and at this point whatever he had to say really doesnt matter anyways as he would just lie. his testimony would pretty much be useless. its still a shame we didnt get to see it just for historys sake lol",
">\n\nAl trump would do is take the 5th like any other ordinary criminal",
">\n\nSo far as things have gone, will it now be ok for Democrats to ignore all the subpoenas that this next R House is going to send around? I’d think so….",
">\n\nOur government has failed us.... Good luck everyone.",
">\n\nAh yes the criminal Justice system, quite possibly the longest running joke in America",
">\n\n& you just know the cheeto will say something like, ha!, they dropped the subpoena cause they knew I am innocent, or some 💩 like that",
">\n\nNo surprise there. Trump is above the law, as he has proven time and again, over and over throughout the last several years. \nI will be surprised if anything comes out of this investigation, at all. \nI will be surprised if the next republican president isn't worse than Trump. \nI mean seriously, how do they convict him of anything if they can't even call him for questioning. Ever heard of anyone, ever, to get convicted of a crime that didn't have to talk to investigators at some point? \nFuck America. Fuck Trump. And fuck the pussy ass people who refuse to do their fucking job.",
">\n\nThey dropped it because it wasn't necessary and would have given him a national platform needlessly. DOJ will pass to the special council which will bring formal charges, if any will be brought.",
">\n\nThis is actually heartbreaking. Seen a lot of politicians and people of note show time and time again that the rules for EVERY CITIZEN don’t apply to them and this stings just a little more",
">\n\nMy theory that he is blackmailing everyone from the White House down with Area 51 malarky is still holding water...",
">\n\nLet us all start committing crimes and see how that goes, this is bs",
">\n\nSuch bs. I knew he would sleeze his way out of any consequences for his actions. This will only embolden him & his lunatic followers. He incites a riot that kills people & gets away with it. If any of us incited a riot, we would still be in jail & if people died during the riot, we would be charged with murder as well. So sick & tired of the double standard when it comes to a president who breaks the law & walks away, just like nixon did.",
">\n\nshould not have dropped\nshould have referred it to doj for contempt of congress...\nwhite rich continue to get a pass for what the rest of us would have long ago been prosecuted and imprisoned...",
">\n\nThey already referred him to DOJ for obstruction of a govt proceeding last week. What are you talking about?",
">\n\nYeah, because why would you want to subpoena the guy who was completely responsible for the entire thing?\nThe Chuck Schumer neoliberals have engineered this to completely let Trump get away with it - because they think the Republicans are still their friends and they don't want to piss them off!",
">\n\nThey subpoenaed trump months ago. He declined to show. Since, investigation is over, they dropped it. This is not even really news worthy.",
">\n\nHalf the people in this thread have no idea what they're talking about and are confusing the subpoena with the criminal referral.",
">\n\nOh, is that what's going on? Lol. I was wondering why ppl are making a big deal about this. This is just the committee cleaning up loose ends.",
">\n\nIt's a big deal if someone who's now a private citizen, can do wtf he wants and ignore a Congressional subpoena.",
">\n\nIt takes votes by congress to hold in contempt. They didn't need trump's testimony. He would just show up and repeat I plead the 5th anyway. Pence ignored his, too. It's pointless to hold them in contempt and get off focus of actual investigation.",
">\n\nYou're proving my point. Congressional Democrats should have enforced the subpoena and made Trump plead the 5th to every question. Imagine if Pence also appeared and pled the 5th to every question. That is political magic for the Democrats, it makes them look guilty as hell.\nTrump committed a crime, and this is America. It should be the same as if I committed a crime. We would get arrested, taken to jail until the morning, see a judge and face our charges, and then either get released on OR, held for trial, or bail set. It's not much of a democracy if laws are not enforced against powerful people.",
">\n\nOnce you all realize this is just a game and you’re the pawn things will make a lot more sense.",
">\n\nNow hear him cry about never getting a chance to testify when he’s charged.",
">\n\nI see this less as a “you’re excused” and more of a “see you in court”",
">\n\nNo need to bother with it when they've already finished their work. The only thing that testimony would have accomplished would have been getting Trump to look bad on national television, and a potential perjury charge. Trump already has embarrassed himself in public in a massive way since then, and they have bigger crimes to recommend to the DOJ for prosecution.",
">\n\nThe moment they announced the subpoena everyone got a hard on that trump would have to talk. I said it then and I’ll say it again, trump will never have to face any punishment and he doesn’t have to comply to any law or rules. They’re all more suggestions instead of laws.",
">\n\nWhat a waste of fucking time",
">\n\nSo......this was a big fat waste of time and money?",
">\n\nI mean they made a criminal referral so, no? The committee wasn’t set up to solely investigate Dolt 45 and took the testimony of over a thousand people, why is it you believe withdrawing one subpoena because the committee is winding down renders the entire process a “waste of time and money.”",
">\n\nNo mention on CNN that they dropped the subpoena after a year of January 6 January 6 January 6 terrible news station",
">\n\nWell, it’s being run by a Republican so go figure",
">\n\nTalk about the wheels of justice turning slow. In this case reversing altogether. Well done.",
">\n\nI wish this surprised me.",
">\n\nLOL God this is so funny\nWhat the fuck did y'all expect if you have money you are above the law. It only applies to the poor and those who step on the toes of capital.",
">\n\nWhat a waste of money",
">\n\n...And a Happy New Year!",
">\n\nClassic",
">\n\nShocking",
">\n\nOur governing body are a bunch of cowards. The US is being safeguarded by self-interested Congresspersons who speak about accountability and act on cowardice.",
">\n\nLet's be honest he'll get away with everything with a slap on the wrist. This country won't prosecute a sitting or former president or high ranking politician, we've seen this over and over. The whole committee is sadly a publicity stunt to gain traction for Democrat's. I hope I'm completely wrong of course and that this country will start to feel like it's a democracy.",
">\n\nThe coup is in effect.",
">\n\nI have a sad feeling this committee is going to end up like a fart in the wind",
">\n\nYou’re not wrong",
">\n\nWtf are you talking about?",
">\n\nHands",
">\n\nWho are you talking to? Lmao",
">\n\nWent out with a whimper. The most Democrat thing ever.\nWish the Dems would learn how to take the gloves off, at least they would have a shot against an opponent that has no problems filling their gloves with lead shot. Then bragging about it.",
">\n\nThe subpoena, and associated contempt charges would be nothing when compared to the recommendations made by the committee to the DOJ. Whether or not the DOJ will act is all that matters at this point.",
">\n\nPathetic pieces of shit",
">\n\nAll theatre, all the time. Seems like by now, to most people, that somehow being trolled by their favorite elected might be possible.",
">\n\nSo wait, he just gets away with everything? Just like that?\nWhat about all the articles saying that Trump will most likely spend the rest of his life in prison?",
">\n\nThe subpoena has nothing to do with the recommendations made by the committee to the DOJ. The ball is in the DOJ’s court. The subpoena doesn’t impact anything. Absurd that he didn’t get held in contempt, but that is more of a distraction than anything.",
">\n\nI see. Thanks for explaining!",
">\n\nCan anyone explain why he was not arrested for not responding to the subpoena? I thought you had to respond to these?",
">\n\nFirst they would have had to vote for contempt. Then they would need to issue a referral to DOJ, then DOJ would need to consider it. That is not happening in a week before the new congress is sworn in an this committee expires. They have issued their report and no longer need to speak to him. That is why it was withdrawn. Their job is done.",
">\n\nSubpoenas are real, or they’re not.\nIn the real world if any person defied or ignored a subpoena they would be arrested immediately.\nWhy are some Americans allowed to break the law in broad daylight.",
">\n\nWhy is the DOJ dragging its feet in charging anyone?",
">\n\nDOJ has charged over 700 people out of January 6 and they continue to charge cases. Most of these cases took months if not years to come to fruition.\nAt the end of the day DOJ has no obligation to act on any of the committee’s referrals, although I believe they already have ongoing investigations as to several of the subjects. If anything new comes out of the committee’s work it’s unlikely to happen soon.",
">\n\nThe US is beyond broken. The wealthy can do whatever they want while we are the only ones who face consequences. I can’t wait to leave this shithole again. I won’t be making the mistake of coming back like I did last year."
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"So far Trump's legal strategy of ignoring calls for accountability until Republicans in Congress can bail him out is workingly flawlessly.",
">\n\nThat doesn’t mean the DoJ can’t charge and prosecute. \nRight now everything is in response to republicans getting their slim majority in the house and lessen the damage they will do.\nThat said, they still have the mountain of evidence they did gather",
">\n\nWhat about when the AG/DOJ is a GOP appointee? You don’t think they’ll just put in a Bill Barr type on the entire thing?",
">\n\nNot while they have a democratic president and especially when the previous president lost them the midterms.\nThey were already planning on replacing trump with Desantes by equating the 2 (Martha’s Vineyard was part of that), they’re only gonna lose trying to put their party’s future on the line protect him further.\nThey gonna continue to spread doubt and try to discredit the investigations, but they’re barely holding onto a branch of government, they’re not stupid. Barr only worked because they held onto 2",
">\n\nUmmm that’s not what I meant. If a GOP candidate for President wins in 2024 , what are the actual legal implications. It’s not like it’s below them to interfere like they did with the collusion charges",
">\n\n\nThe House January 6 committee is withdrawing its subpoena of former President Donald Trump as it concludes its work.\n“In light of the imminent end of our investigation, the Select Committee can no longer pursue the specific information covered by the subpoena,” Chairman Bennie Thompson, a Mississippi Democrat, wrote in a letter to Trump’s attorney Wednesday obtained by CNN.\n“Therefore, through this letter, I hereby formally withdraw the subpoena issued to former President Trump, and notify you that he is no longer obligated to comply or produce records in response to said subpoena,” Thompson added.",
">\n\nConclusion: Former president Trump is above the law.",
">\n\nYeah kind of makes me sad. Trump can just ignore a subpoena, with zero consequences. \n“We believe you tried to overthrow the government. You are legally required to come talk to us about it.”\n“No thanks.”\n“Oh. Ok, never mind.”",
">\n\nNo consequences? He's has been referred to the DOJ for obstruction of a govt processing last week. They held a recorded vote.",
">\n\nThat’s not a consequence. It’s kicking the can. Trump will never, ever be held responsible for his role in destroying democracy in America.",
">\n\nThis is not TV or a movie. \"The wheels of justice grind slowly yet exceedingly fine\" is a saying for a reason. Federal investigations usually take years.",
">\n\nHe’s been investigated for years. No consequences. Just special appointments, investigations, and referrals. In the mean time, you know who DOES face consequences?\nAmerica.",
">\n\nYou are judging the end of the movie before it is over.\nThe previous investigations were being done while he had the shield of the presidency and an attorney general running obstruction for him. None of that is true now.",
">\n\nThe GOP will continue fighting on his behalf, because the majority are complicit in 45’s fuckery. Again, no consequences will be had. I’m willing to wager a gift card to your favorite local restaurant that he will live fat, rich, and free until at least the 2024/25 inauguration. Save this post.",
">\n\nWe'll see about that. I'll admit to the loss if thats the case.",
">\n\nMore proof that we the people have no rights in comparison to the billionaire ticks.",
">\n\nDude ain't no billionaire",
">\n\nNo, but his buddies are.",
">\n\nHis puppet masters maybe",
">\n\nI mean, who would have thought not starting the fight sooner would end like this?",
">\n\nDon’t worry. He’s got so many more coming.",
">\n\nThe idea that Trump will pay any price for his crimes is a fantasy.",
">\n\nIt’s actually happening. His company has been found guilty. His charity is closed. His cohorts are about to go to jail. His popularity sagging. Protection is gone. We just need the first indictment.",
">\n\nBut none is him",
">\n\nWell Trump Org is pretty much him but be patient.",
">\n\nDrops in the bucket. \nBeen patient for like 6 years now. How much more we gotta wait?",
">\n\nHe couldn’t be prosecuted while president. Watch GA and the special prosecutor. They’re moving fast.",
">\n\nCouldn't be?\nShould have been.",
">\n\nThat’s absolutely wild that any man is able to just straight up ignore a subpoena with zero consequences. Definition of “above the law”. If he gets away with this, he is going to be more dangerous than ever. You get away with leading a coup/insurrection, you’re going to assume you can get away with literally anything. \nMaybe trump was right… he really could shoot someone in the middle of 5th avenue and not lose any voters…and also probably not even get in trouble",
">\n\nSerious questions...so the committee pull the subpoena, but it's up to DOJ for any additional follow up, but when the new congress is in session they can tell DOJ to drop everything? Is that how's its going to go down? Because I thought DOJ is supposed to be independent once given the committee's findings?",
">\n\nThe DOJ is certainly independent of Congress. As for the committee - the only thing they would've done differently was vote on a criminal referral for contempt of Congress. Although there is some truth to congressional contempt needing to stem from congress, The DOJ has no obligation to act on a referral - it is more akin to a recommendation.\nWith that being said, the committee knew it wasn't going to serve any real benefit, so they decided not to.\n\nThe DOJ decided not to prosecute Meadows and Scavino for contempt due to their close ties to the executive. This pretty much ruled out any chance of it happening to Trump, a former President. \nEven a completely successful referral (Steve Bannon) showed how inconsequential Congressional subpoena power is. For one, it is a misdemeanor. It has been ~15 months since Bannon was referred, and he was found guilty and sentenced, and he is still a free man pending appeal. And even if upheld, it's only 4 months in prison as just shy of maximum sentencing guidelines. \nThe DOJ, if they prosecute, are aiming at much bigger crimes - notably Obstruction of an Official Proceeding, which carries up to 20 years. And they'd be potentially trying these crimes in the same jurisdiction.\n\nSo I'm sure the calculation was that it just wasn't worth throwing a referral at the DOJ for something they'd never follow up on, and wouldn't be much benefit if they did.",
">\n\nIn summary, he’s committed so many crimes that this one isn’t worth any effort",
">\n\nEssentially, yeah. The DOJ has two big chances to secure a conviction: Mar-A-Lago and Jan. 6 - and they will likely bring multiple charges in a D.C. court if they decide to prosecute. Mar-A-Lago will come first, which has virtually nothing to do with this committee's work.\nReferring a misdemeanor to tack onto 4 serious felonies they referred probably only risked muddying the larger offenses. Can't blame them honestly.",
">\n\nWhat is “Mar a Lago” in this context! The tax scheme? Classified documents?",
">\n\nThe classified documents",
">\n\nSmall point but they weren't all classified and don't need to be, for what he did to be illegal. Just trying to avoid republican framing.",
">\n\nHillary was not afraid to testify every time she was asked (and testified for hours and hours each time, answering all questions asked) and never took the 5th. Yet republicans act like she is the criminal when it always has been trump.",
">\n\nEven if she was wrong she was smarter than any of the R in the room. That woman was a machine during those hearings and gave them nothing to work with.",
">\n\nShe is definitely smarter than that barrel of monkeys who questioned her, but ultimately, there was nothing to get from her - the perfect opposite case of crimey benedict donald and his co-conspirators.",
">\n\nIt's interesting to see that people think this subpoena would have continued to exist past Jan 3, 2023 given that that's when ALL open subpoenas from the outgoing congress expire and become null and void. Even if the J6 committee continued to exist- they would be required to file a brand new one in the new session.",
">\n\nIt wouldn't be that hard to file a brand new subpoena, they have lawyers who work full-time for them. That isn't an obstacle.",
">\n\nExcept for the committee doesn't exist in the new Congress and they have no powers to do anything if they don't exist.",
">\n\nIt's easy to get the two confused a lot of times.",
">\n\nHow many of y'all actually thought he wasn't going to run out the clock? \nNothing will fundamentally change.",
">\n\nNobody. The “justice takes time” chorus that dominated the narrative was only here to quell social unrest so society didn’t take a dive while the rich mocked us from their golden pedestals.",
">\n\nSerious question: Why? So what if the Dems lose power in the Congress. Let the Republicans be the one to formally dismantle the committee and subpoena on record. Then when hopefully Trump is charged by the DOJ, dems have another talking point for 2024 that the Republicans hate law and order and protect mob bosses.",
">\n\nThe select committee expires at the end of the congressional session. So they do not need to question him because the committee will not exist.",
">\n\nBut what is the point of formally withdrawing the subpoena? What does it accomplish?",
">\n\nThe committee is over. They have issued the report, they are closing up shop. They are following the process. A secondary part of the committees job was to show how a REAL congressional hearing should be handled. None of that sloppy ass grandstanding they did for Benghazi",
">\n\nMy viewpoint is that Trump and the GOP are just going to use this as “proof” that he did nothing wrong. Remember how the Mueller report “exonerated” Trump? His base believes this shit wholeheartedly and I guarantee he will use this as “evidence” for his innocence.\nShowing how things SHOULD be handled instead of taking whatever measures needed to protect Americans lead to Jan 6th happening in the first place. We all know how things should be handled, how the rules should work, but one side is willing to do whatever they need to keep power and the other is getting walked over.\nIs taking the high road worth letting fascism into our government?",
">\n\nIt’s good to know that republicans are allowed to ignore subpoenas. That’s useful info for them. Don’t expect dems to get that treatment",
">\n\nThey dropped the ball in not issuing one a couple of months ago",
">\n\nActually the Democrats have done everything not to ever pick up the ball even once. They let trump appointed republicans appoint a republican special counsel to fall like a straw man to blatant obstruction in the Russia probe. They turned it into a fundraiser for campaigning. \nThis time they let liz Cheney take the reins, who was able to preserve her republican prerogatives throughout this entire ordeal. \nThe fact is that you're all being cucked by forces of controlled opposition and I'm apparently the only one in the world who can't be so easily mitigated.\nI can't depend on any of you anymore than you can depend on yourselves.",
">\n\nYou lost all credibility at the end when you said cuck and act like you’re the smartest person in the world. Be gone!",
">\n\nYeah, I don't know how anyone can be expected to be taken seriously using that whole sentence unironically.",
">\n\nI don't expect to be taken seriously whether I say it or not, yet the facts remain as I've described.",
">\n\nI didn’t see that coming, said absolutely no one.",
">\n\nWhy.",
">\n\nHUGE mistake. The committee will be dissolved by the GOPers in a couple weeks, and all this did was to give the Marmalade Moses another fake victory to rile up his lemmings.",
">\n\nIt’s funny because I say the same thing every time about trump never getting charged and I always get shit about it like BUT NO THIS TIME IS DIFFERENT. \nLmao right. Sure it is.",
">\n\nFucking same. This is just more “ammo” for his orange, shit spewing mouth.",
">\n\nThis guy is still getting more media coverage than the current potus two years into his term. Crazy.",
">\n\nIt does blow that he wasn't forced to comply with the subpoena but for people thinking what a bummer this seems like, the house is switching to a republican majority in like a week so it didn't make a whole lot of sense to leave an active subpoena on record knowing it would never be resolved. They likely knew he wasn't going to comply when it was issued only now its offical that it was officially issued, ignored by trump, and terminated. Who knows if the DOJ will eventually file but everyone pretty much already knew that little temper tantrum trump wasn't going to aid in his own house sedition investigation.",
">\n\nIf we restrict ourselves to the issue of compliance with a subpoena from this committee, then the recent election clearly mooted every aspect of penalties or consequences related to ignoring the subpoena.\nIt's like a big brother was called over and little bro wanted him to force his adversary to bow and kiss the ground. But by the time big bro finally wanders over, the kid goes \"nah... we're good.\"\nA lot of folk like to believe contempt of court or contempt of congress is like any other crime where you do the deed and have to face the punishment. But, in general, these things do not work like crimes. Even where contempt has been codified such that there is a criminal contempt aspect, the goal remains to seek or to force compliance. This leads to \"punishments\" which are better or worse depending on how you view things. A simple view is that you could be \"sentenced\" to indefinite incarceration because it's a \"jailed until compliance\" thing.\nIn this case, Congress has been very, very reticent to try to use their inherent power to jail someone. So the most they ever do these days is refer the case to the DoJ to pursue criminal contempt of congress.\nAll in all, is this a \"good\" thing? Maybe it's not as bad as we feel it to be. Imagine any sort of argument where someone demands you do something. You retort \"are you sure?\" Bystanders urge folk cool down and think about it. Map that into the way Congress changes every two years and you get a sense that unless something is important enough that it remains after the public alters the composition of the legislative branch, maybe it's not all that important (to the public) after all.\nOn the other hand, why would anyone fear Congress when they demonstrate time and again there never really are any consequences for refusal to comply with subpoenas? But... do we want to quake in fear whenever some nutjob party gains control and enacts something as dire as the Committee on Unamerican Activities?",
">\n\nWhat is the advantage of dropping the subpoena, as opposed to just letting it expire/letting the new congress withdraw it? Why go on record saying he no longer has to come in? I get that he was never going to show, I’m just curious why this is better than the alternative.",
">\n\nI’m wondering this too. There has to be a good reason.",
">\n\n?? Why, like it had no power, but still why? This looks like weakness",
">\n\nThe subpoena expires when the new congress is sworn in on Jan 3rd. There was no practical way to enforce it.",
">\n\nWhy not just let it expire?\nNow Republicans have a talking point that the January 6th Committee withdrew their subpoena.\nThey'll use it to muddy the waters and spread more misinformation.",
">\n\nThey already had their talking points. They've had them the whole time. They already released a \"counter report\" to the J6 committee. The committee withdrew it because they are closing up shop. The report is out. Where would Donnie's answers go?",
">\n\nWhy was he not charged with contempt for no show? Once again, he gets let off for bad behaviour",
">\n\nBecause they referred him for 4 much more serious crimes with longer sentences. Referring him for this is essentially pointless.",
">\n\nYes, but i see it as another nail in the coffin, and also sends a message that subpoenas are not to be ignored",
">\n\nImagine if you or I tried to just ignore a subpoena.",
">\n\nIt’s OK if you’re a Republican, as the war criminal’s daughter who voted in line with Trump’s policies during her House tenure can attest.",
">\n\nAnother instance of unequal justice under the law, imo. If you or I disregarded a subpoena from Congress we'd be going to jail...like Steve Bannon.",
">\n\nDrag it out, do nothing, repeat. Glad the J6 group produced a ton of info and exposed a lot of the bs but what's the point of nothing really happens? Media circus? I'm so tired.",
">\n\nGreat precedent. It's good to know if I'm ever subpoenaed by congress I can just ignore it.",
">\n\nJ6 knew he'd puss out and just wanted to get it on the record. And for the same reason they haven't gone after Meadows for ignoring his subpoena, are all of the other serious crimes hanging over him and the orange Traitor in Chief, especially now, the subpoenas aren't worth the time and effort.",
">\n\n\nAnd for the same reason they haven't gone after Meadows for ignoring his subpoena\n\nTo be fair... the House voted him in criminal contempt and sent the referral to that to the DoJ. There wasn't really anything they could do beyond that with respect to his subpoena (yes, inherent contempt in theory exists, in practice it would have been useless for multiple reasons).\nMeadows is also included in the big criminal referrals the committee issued as part of their report as well.",
">\n\nAs usual, this country’s justice system is a joke",
">\n\nThis was a subpoena issued by the congress, not DOJ. He would be arrested if this was subpoena by DOJ and he didn’t show.",
">\n\nLike I said lol this country’s justice system is a joke",
">\n\nBut the justice system has not been involved yet!!! Congressional hearing is not an example of the justice system. The congress has referred the case to the DOJ or “the justice system” as a result of their hearing. DOJ will pursue a criminal investigation and pursue charges. \nJudiciary (justice system as you call it), congress, and executive branches are constitutionally separate and independent to ensure checks and balances.\nJustice system in the US is not ideal, but this specific instance is not an example of these inefficiencies. This is an example of how the congress has been ineffective in doing their legislative actions. In this instance the correct statement would be “Legislative system in this country is a joke.” Justice system has not had a chance to show its incompetence yet. That will be next.",
">\n\nNaive of you to think this is anything more than a show they’re putting on. Nothing will come of it, democrats are by nature pussies let’s be real. None have any teeth or claws. The right is full of a bunch of tribalistic monkeys, party is apparently more important than country. I guess I can rephrase, besides making money and being the best business in the world, America is a joke.",
">\n\n\"OMG. I'm so outraged by this even though I have no idea why.\"\nIt'd be nice if you guys learned the difference between the subpoena and the criminal referral. trump was never going to show up for the subpoena especially since the GOP is about to take control. It's a completely moot point.",
">\n\nExactly. The committee already referred him to the DoJ on criminal charges. Everyone is acting like they're just taking their ball and going home. They already went well and beyond a mere subpoena here, and one of the charges that they're recommending is obstruction already.",
">\n\nAren’t subpoenas mandatory with consequences? Either you show up or go to jail. Trump did neither.",
">\n\nNot if you are rich. Laws are you only for the the lower 90%",
">\n\nThis is such bullshit.",
">\n\nAnother precedent set for rich criminals to not comply. If we citizens didn’t show we’d be at a black site with electrodes on our genitals.",
">\n\nThey should have charged Trump with contempt of Congress.",
">\n\nSo whens the next uprising on behalf of rich people? Just be sure you're actually a political player because if you're just a worker you'll be charged. Chess has really changed over the past hundred years.",
">\n\nTotally expected. \nTrump, the really TV star, said he'd only agree to answer the subpoena if it were live & televised. It's quite obvious the reason is that he'd ignore the questioning & use the free air time to spew his BS, much like in the Presidential debates. \nAnd I'm sure the incoming Republican House would have loved to have given him the opportunity",
">\n\nyeah kinda moot at this point , they already made those criminal referrals anyways lol i wish they would have perused charging him for not showing up however but maybe they figured in light of everything they should focus on the key issues and at this point whatever he had to say really doesnt matter anyways as he would just lie. his testimony would pretty much be useless. its still a shame we didnt get to see it just for historys sake lol",
">\n\nAl trump would do is take the 5th like any other ordinary criminal",
">\n\nSo far as things have gone, will it now be ok for Democrats to ignore all the subpoenas that this next R House is going to send around? I’d think so….",
">\n\nOur government has failed us.... Good luck everyone.",
">\n\nAh yes the criminal Justice system, quite possibly the longest running joke in America",
">\n\n& you just know the cheeto will say something like, ha!, they dropped the subpoena cause they knew I am innocent, or some 💩 like that",
">\n\nNo surprise there. Trump is above the law, as he has proven time and again, over and over throughout the last several years. \nI will be surprised if anything comes out of this investigation, at all. \nI will be surprised if the next republican president isn't worse than Trump. \nI mean seriously, how do they convict him of anything if they can't even call him for questioning. Ever heard of anyone, ever, to get convicted of a crime that didn't have to talk to investigators at some point? \nFuck America. Fuck Trump. And fuck the pussy ass people who refuse to do their fucking job.",
">\n\nThey dropped it because it wasn't necessary and would have given him a national platform needlessly. DOJ will pass to the special council which will bring formal charges, if any will be brought.",
">\n\nThis is actually heartbreaking. Seen a lot of politicians and people of note show time and time again that the rules for EVERY CITIZEN don’t apply to them and this stings just a little more",
">\n\nMy theory that he is blackmailing everyone from the White House down with Area 51 malarky is still holding water...",
">\n\nLet us all start committing crimes and see how that goes, this is bs",
">\n\nSuch bs. I knew he would sleeze his way out of any consequences for his actions. This will only embolden him & his lunatic followers. He incites a riot that kills people & gets away with it. If any of us incited a riot, we would still be in jail & if people died during the riot, we would be charged with murder as well. So sick & tired of the double standard when it comes to a president who breaks the law & walks away, just like nixon did.",
">\n\nshould not have dropped\nshould have referred it to doj for contempt of congress...\nwhite rich continue to get a pass for what the rest of us would have long ago been prosecuted and imprisoned...",
">\n\nThey already referred him to DOJ for obstruction of a govt proceeding last week. What are you talking about?",
">\n\nYeah, because why would you want to subpoena the guy who was completely responsible for the entire thing?\nThe Chuck Schumer neoliberals have engineered this to completely let Trump get away with it - because they think the Republicans are still their friends and they don't want to piss them off!",
">\n\nThey subpoenaed trump months ago. He declined to show. Since, investigation is over, they dropped it. This is not even really news worthy.",
">\n\nHalf the people in this thread have no idea what they're talking about and are confusing the subpoena with the criminal referral.",
">\n\nOh, is that what's going on? Lol. I was wondering why ppl are making a big deal about this. This is just the committee cleaning up loose ends.",
">\n\nIt's a big deal if someone who's now a private citizen, can do wtf he wants and ignore a Congressional subpoena.",
">\n\nIt takes votes by congress to hold in contempt. They didn't need trump's testimony. He would just show up and repeat I plead the 5th anyway. Pence ignored his, too. It's pointless to hold them in contempt and get off focus of actual investigation.",
">\n\nYou're proving my point. Congressional Democrats should have enforced the subpoena and made Trump plead the 5th to every question. Imagine if Pence also appeared and pled the 5th to every question. That is political magic for the Democrats, it makes them look guilty as hell.\nTrump committed a crime, and this is America. It should be the same as if I committed a crime. We would get arrested, taken to jail until the morning, see a judge and face our charges, and then either get released on OR, held for trial, or bail set. It's not much of a democracy if laws are not enforced against powerful people.",
">\n\nOnce you all realize this is just a game and you’re the pawn things will make a lot more sense.",
">\n\nNow hear him cry about never getting a chance to testify when he’s charged.",
">\n\nI see this less as a “you’re excused” and more of a “see you in court”",
">\n\nNo need to bother with it when they've already finished their work. The only thing that testimony would have accomplished would have been getting Trump to look bad on national television, and a potential perjury charge. Trump already has embarrassed himself in public in a massive way since then, and they have bigger crimes to recommend to the DOJ for prosecution.",
">\n\nThe moment they announced the subpoena everyone got a hard on that trump would have to talk. I said it then and I’ll say it again, trump will never have to face any punishment and he doesn’t have to comply to any law or rules. They’re all more suggestions instead of laws.",
">\n\nWhat a waste of fucking time",
">\n\nSo......this was a big fat waste of time and money?",
">\n\nI mean they made a criminal referral so, no? The committee wasn’t set up to solely investigate Dolt 45 and took the testimony of over a thousand people, why is it you believe withdrawing one subpoena because the committee is winding down renders the entire process a “waste of time and money.”",
">\n\nNo mention on CNN that they dropped the subpoena after a year of January 6 January 6 January 6 terrible news station",
">\n\nWell, it’s being run by a Republican so go figure",
">\n\nTalk about the wheels of justice turning slow. In this case reversing altogether. Well done.",
">\n\nI wish this surprised me.",
">\n\nLOL God this is so funny\nWhat the fuck did y'all expect if you have money you are above the law. It only applies to the poor and those who step on the toes of capital.",
">\n\nWhat a waste of money",
">\n\n...And a Happy New Year!",
">\n\nClassic",
">\n\nShocking",
">\n\nOur governing body are a bunch of cowards. The US is being safeguarded by self-interested Congresspersons who speak about accountability and act on cowardice.",
">\n\nLet's be honest he'll get away with everything with a slap on the wrist. This country won't prosecute a sitting or former president or high ranking politician, we've seen this over and over. The whole committee is sadly a publicity stunt to gain traction for Democrat's. I hope I'm completely wrong of course and that this country will start to feel like it's a democracy.",
">\n\nThe coup is in effect.",
">\n\nI have a sad feeling this committee is going to end up like a fart in the wind",
">\n\nYou’re not wrong",
">\n\nWtf are you talking about?",
">\n\nHands",
">\n\nWho are you talking to? Lmao",
">\n\nWent out with a whimper. The most Democrat thing ever.\nWish the Dems would learn how to take the gloves off, at least they would have a shot against an opponent that has no problems filling their gloves with lead shot. Then bragging about it.",
">\n\nThe subpoena, and associated contempt charges would be nothing when compared to the recommendations made by the committee to the DOJ. Whether or not the DOJ will act is all that matters at this point.",
">\n\nPathetic pieces of shit",
">\n\nAll theatre, all the time. Seems like by now, to most people, that somehow being trolled by their favorite elected might be possible.",
">\n\nSo wait, he just gets away with everything? Just like that?\nWhat about all the articles saying that Trump will most likely spend the rest of his life in prison?",
">\n\nThe subpoena has nothing to do with the recommendations made by the committee to the DOJ. The ball is in the DOJ’s court. The subpoena doesn’t impact anything. Absurd that he didn’t get held in contempt, but that is more of a distraction than anything.",
">\n\nI see. Thanks for explaining!",
">\n\nCan anyone explain why he was not arrested for not responding to the subpoena? I thought you had to respond to these?",
">\n\nFirst they would have had to vote for contempt. Then they would need to issue a referral to DOJ, then DOJ would need to consider it. That is not happening in a week before the new congress is sworn in an this committee expires. They have issued their report and no longer need to speak to him. That is why it was withdrawn. Their job is done.",
">\n\nSubpoenas are real, or they’re not.\nIn the real world if any person defied or ignored a subpoena they would be arrested immediately.\nWhy are some Americans allowed to break the law in broad daylight.",
">\n\nWhy is the DOJ dragging its feet in charging anyone?",
">\n\nDOJ has charged over 700 people out of January 6 and they continue to charge cases. Most of these cases took months if not years to come to fruition.\nAt the end of the day DOJ has no obligation to act on any of the committee’s referrals, although I believe they already have ongoing investigations as to several of the subjects. If anything new comes out of the committee’s work it’s unlikely to happen soon.",
">\n\nThe US is beyond broken. The wealthy can do whatever they want while we are the only ones who face consequences. I can’t wait to leave this shithole again. I won’t be making the mistake of coming back like I did last year.",
">\n\nSuch a farce"
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"So far Trump's legal strategy of ignoring calls for accountability until Republicans in Congress can bail him out is workingly flawlessly.",
">\n\nThat doesn’t mean the DoJ can’t charge and prosecute. \nRight now everything is in response to republicans getting their slim majority in the house and lessen the damage they will do.\nThat said, they still have the mountain of evidence they did gather",
">\n\nWhat about when the AG/DOJ is a GOP appointee? You don’t think they’ll just put in a Bill Barr type on the entire thing?",
">\n\nNot while they have a democratic president and especially when the previous president lost them the midterms.\nThey were already planning on replacing trump with Desantes by equating the 2 (Martha’s Vineyard was part of that), they’re only gonna lose trying to put their party’s future on the line protect him further.\nThey gonna continue to spread doubt and try to discredit the investigations, but they’re barely holding onto a branch of government, they’re not stupid. Barr only worked because they held onto 2",
">\n\nUmmm that’s not what I meant. If a GOP candidate for President wins in 2024 , what are the actual legal implications. It’s not like it’s below them to interfere like they did with the collusion charges",
">\n\n\nThe House January 6 committee is withdrawing its subpoena of former President Donald Trump as it concludes its work.\n“In light of the imminent end of our investigation, the Select Committee can no longer pursue the specific information covered by the subpoena,” Chairman Bennie Thompson, a Mississippi Democrat, wrote in a letter to Trump’s attorney Wednesday obtained by CNN.\n“Therefore, through this letter, I hereby formally withdraw the subpoena issued to former President Trump, and notify you that he is no longer obligated to comply or produce records in response to said subpoena,” Thompson added.",
">\n\nConclusion: Former president Trump is above the law.",
">\n\nYeah kind of makes me sad. Trump can just ignore a subpoena, with zero consequences. \n“We believe you tried to overthrow the government. You are legally required to come talk to us about it.”\n“No thanks.”\n“Oh. Ok, never mind.”",
">\n\nNo consequences? He's has been referred to the DOJ for obstruction of a govt processing last week. They held a recorded vote.",
">\n\nThat’s not a consequence. It’s kicking the can. Trump will never, ever be held responsible for his role in destroying democracy in America.",
">\n\nThis is not TV or a movie. \"The wheels of justice grind slowly yet exceedingly fine\" is a saying for a reason. Federal investigations usually take years.",
">\n\nHe’s been investigated for years. No consequences. Just special appointments, investigations, and referrals. In the mean time, you know who DOES face consequences?\nAmerica.",
">\n\nYou are judging the end of the movie before it is over.\nThe previous investigations were being done while he had the shield of the presidency and an attorney general running obstruction for him. None of that is true now.",
">\n\nThe GOP will continue fighting on his behalf, because the majority are complicit in 45’s fuckery. Again, no consequences will be had. I’m willing to wager a gift card to your favorite local restaurant that he will live fat, rich, and free until at least the 2024/25 inauguration. Save this post.",
">\n\nWe'll see about that. I'll admit to the loss if thats the case.",
">\n\nMore proof that we the people have no rights in comparison to the billionaire ticks.",
">\n\nDude ain't no billionaire",
">\n\nNo, but his buddies are.",
">\n\nHis puppet masters maybe",
">\n\nI mean, who would have thought not starting the fight sooner would end like this?",
">\n\nDon’t worry. He’s got so many more coming.",
">\n\nThe idea that Trump will pay any price for his crimes is a fantasy.",
">\n\nIt’s actually happening. His company has been found guilty. His charity is closed. His cohorts are about to go to jail. His popularity sagging. Protection is gone. We just need the first indictment.",
">\n\nBut none is him",
">\n\nWell Trump Org is pretty much him but be patient.",
">\n\nDrops in the bucket. \nBeen patient for like 6 years now. How much more we gotta wait?",
">\n\nHe couldn’t be prosecuted while president. Watch GA and the special prosecutor. They’re moving fast.",
">\n\nCouldn't be?\nShould have been.",
">\n\nThat’s absolutely wild that any man is able to just straight up ignore a subpoena with zero consequences. Definition of “above the law”. If he gets away with this, he is going to be more dangerous than ever. You get away with leading a coup/insurrection, you’re going to assume you can get away with literally anything. \nMaybe trump was right… he really could shoot someone in the middle of 5th avenue and not lose any voters…and also probably not even get in trouble",
">\n\nSerious questions...so the committee pull the subpoena, but it's up to DOJ for any additional follow up, but when the new congress is in session they can tell DOJ to drop everything? Is that how's its going to go down? Because I thought DOJ is supposed to be independent once given the committee's findings?",
">\n\nThe DOJ is certainly independent of Congress. As for the committee - the only thing they would've done differently was vote on a criminal referral for contempt of Congress. Although there is some truth to congressional contempt needing to stem from congress, The DOJ has no obligation to act on a referral - it is more akin to a recommendation.\nWith that being said, the committee knew it wasn't going to serve any real benefit, so they decided not to.\n\nThe DOJ decided not to prosecute Meadows and Scavino for contempt due to their close ties to the executive. This pretty much ruled out any chance of it happening to Trump, a former President. \nEven a completely successful referral (Steve Bannon) showed how inconsequential Congressional subpoena power is. For one, it is a misdemeanor. It has been ~15 months since Bannon was referred, and he was found guilty and sentenced, and he is still a free man pending appeal. And even if upheld, it's only 4 months in prison as just shy of maximum sentencing guidelines. \nThe DOJ, if they prosecute, are aiming at much bigger crimes - notably Obstruction of an Official Proceeding, which carries up to 20 years. And they'd be potentially trying these crimes in the same jurisdiction.\n\nSo I'm sure the calculation was that it just wasn't worth throwing a referral at the DOJ for something they'd never follow up on, and wouldn't be much benefit if they did.",
">\n\nIn summary, he’s committed so many crimes that this one isn’t worth any effort",
">\n\nEssentially, yeah. The DOJ has two big chances to secure a conviction: Mar-A-Lago and Jan. 6 - and they will likely bring multiple charges in a D.C. court if they decide to prosecute. Mar-A-Lago will come first, which has virtually nothing to do with this committee's work.\nReferring a misdemeanor to tack onto 4 serious felonies they referred probably only risked muddying the larger offenses. Can't blame them honestly.",
">\n\nWhat is “Mar a Lago” in this context! The tax scheme? Classified documents?",
">\n\nThe classified documents",
">\n\nSmall point but they weren't all classified and don't need to be, for what he did to be illegal. Just trying to avoid republican framing.",
">\n\nHillary was not afraid to testify every time she was asked (and testified for hours and hours each time, answering all questions asked) and never took the 5th. Yet republicans act like she is the criminal when it always has been trump.",
">\n\nEven if she was wrong she was smarter than any of the R in the room. That woman was a machine during those hearings and gave them nothing to work with.",
">\n\nShe is definitely smarter than that barrel of monkeys who questioned her, but ultimately, there was nothing to get from her - the perfect opposite case of crimey benedict donald and his co-conspirators.",
">\n\nIt's interesting to see that people think this subpoena would have continued to exist past Jan 3, 2023 given that that's when ALL open subpoenas from the outgoing congress expire and become null and void. Even if the J6 committee continued to exist- they would be required to file a brand new one in the new session.",
">\n\nIt wouldn't be that hard to file a brand new subpoena, they have lawyers who work full-time for them. That isn't an obstacle.",
">\n\nExcept for the committee doesn't exist in the new Congress and they have no powers to do anything if they don't exist.",
">\n\nIt's easy to get the two confused a lot of times.",
">\n\nHow many of y'all actually thought he wasn't going to run out the clock? \nNothing will fundamentally change.",
">\n\nNobody. The “justice takes time” chorus that dominated the narrative was only here to quell social unrest so society didn’t take a dive while the rich mocked us from their golden pedestals.",
">\n\nSerious question: Why? So what if the Dems lose power in the Congress. Let the Republicans be the one to formally dismantle the committee and subpoena on record. Then when hopefully Trump is charged by the DOJ, dems have another talking point for 2024 that the Republicans hate law and order and protect mob bosses.",
">\n\nThe select committee expires at the end of the congressional session. So they do not need to question him because the committee will not exist.",
">\n\nBut what is the point of formally withdrawing the subpoena? What does it accomplish?",
">\n\nThe committee is over. They have issued the report, they are closing up shop. They are following the process. A secondary part of the committees job was to show how a REAL congressional hearing should be handled. None of that sloppy ass grandstanding they did for Benghazi",
">\n\nMy viewpoint is that Trump and the GOP are just going to use this as “proof” that he did nothing wrong. Remember how the Mueller report “exonerated” Trump? His base believes this shit wholeheartedly and I guarantee he will use this as “evidence” for his innocence.\nShowing how things SHOULD be handled instead of taking whatever measures needed to protect Americans lead to Jan 6th happening in the first place. We all know how things should be handled, how the rules should work, but one side is willing to do whatever they need to keep power and the other is getting walked over.\nIs taking the high road worth letting fascism into our government?",
">\n\nIt’s good to know that republicans are allowed to ignore subpoenas. That’s useful info for them. Don’t expect dems to get that treatment",
">\n\nThey dropped the ball in not issuing one a couple of months ago",
">\n\nActually the Democrats have done everything not to ever pick up the ball even once. They let trump appointed republicans appoint a republican special counsel to fall like a straw man to blatant obstruction in the Russia probe. They turned it into a fundraiser for campaigning. \nThis time they let liz Cheney take the reins, who was able to preserve her republican prerogatives throughout this entire ordeal. \nThe fact is that you're all being cucked by forces of controlled opposition and I'm apparently the only one in the world who can't be so easily mitigated.\nI can't depend on any of you anymore than you can depend on yourselves.",
">\n\nYou lost all credibility at the end when you said cuck and act like you’re the smartest person in the world. Be gone!",
">\n\nYeah, I don't know how anyone can be expected to be taken seriously using that whole sentence unironically.",
">\n\nI don't expect to be taken seriously whether I say it or not, yet the facts remain as I've described.",
">\n\nI didn’t see that coming, said absolutely no one.",
">\n\nWhy.",
">\n\nHUGE mistake. The committee will be dissolved by the GOPers in a couple weeks, and all this did was to give the Marmalade Moses another fake victory to rile up his lemmings.",
">\n\nIt’s funny because I say the same thing every time about trump never getting charged and I always get shit about it like BUT NO THIS TIME IS DIFFERENT. \nLmao right. Sure it is.",
">\n\nFucking same. This is just more “ammo” for his orange, shit spewing mouth.",
">\n\nThis guy is still getting more media coverage than the current potus two years into his term. Crazy.",
">\n\nIt does blow that he wasn't forced to comply with the subpoena but for people thinking what a bummer this seems like, the house is switching to a republican majority in like a week so it didn't make a whole lot of sense to leave an active subpoena on record knowing it would never be resolved. They likely knew he wasn't going to comply when it was issued only now its offical that it was officially issued, ignored by trump, and terminated. Who knows if the DOJ will eventually file but everyone pretty much already knew that little temper tantrum trump wasn't going to aid in his own house sedition investigation.",
">\n\nIf we restrict ourselves to the issue of compliance with a subpoena from this committee, then the recent election clearly mooted every aspect of penalties or consequences related to ignoring the subpoena.\nIt's like a big brother was called over and little bro wanted him to force his adversary to bow and kiss the ground. But by the time big bro finally wanders over, the kid goes \"nah... we're good.\"\nA lot of folk like to believe contempt of court or contempt of congress is like any other crime where you do the deed and have to face the punishment. But, in general, these things do not work like crimes. Even where contempt has been codified such that there is a criminal contempt aspect, the goal remains to seek or to force compliance. This leads to \"punishments\" which are better or worse depending on how you view things. A simple view is that you could be \"sentenced\" to indefinite incarceration because it's a \"jailed until compliance\" thing.\nIn this case, Congress has been very, very reticent to try to use their inherent power to jail someone. So the most they ever do these days is refer the case to the DoJ to pursue criminal contempt of congress.\nAll in all, is this a \"good\" thing? Maybe it's not as bad as we feel it to be. Imagine any sort of argument where someone demands you do something. You retort \"are you sure?\" Bystanders urge folk cool down and think about it. Map that into the way Congress changes every two years and you get a sense that unless something is important enough that it remains after the public alters the composition of the legislative branch, maybe it's not all that important (to the public) after all.\nOn the other hand, why would anyone fear Congress when they demonstrate time and again there never really are any consequences for refusal to comply with subpoenas? But... do we want to quake in fear whenever some nutjob party gains control and enacts something as dire as the Committee on Unamerican Activities?",
">\n\nWhat is the advantage of dropping the subpoena, as opposed to just letting it expire/letting the new congress withdraw it? Why go on record saying he no longer has to come in? I get that he was never going to show, I’m just curious why this is better than the alternative.",
">\n\nI’m wondering this too. There has to be a good reason.",
">\n\n?? Why, like it had no power, but still why? This looks like weakness",
">\n\nThe subpoena expires when the new congress is sworn in on Jan 3rd. There was no practical way to enforce it.",
">\n\nWhy not just let it expire?\nNow Republicans have a talking point that the January 6th Committee withdrew their subpoena.\nThey'll use it to muddy the waters and spread more misinformation.",
">\n\nThey already had their talking points. They've had them the whole time. They already released a \"counter report\" to the J6 committee. The committee withdrew it because they are closing up shop. The report is out. Where would Donnie's answers go?",
">\n\nWhy was he not charged with contempt for no show? Once again, he gets let off for bad behaviour",
">\n\nBecause they referred him for 4 much more serious crimes with longer sentences. Referring him for this is essentially pointless.",
">\n\nYes, but i see it as another nail in the coffin, and also sends a message that subpoenas are not to be ignored",
">\n\nImagine if you or I tried to just ignore a subpoena.",
">\n\nIt’s OK if you’re a Republican, as the war criminal’s daughter who voted in line with Trump’s policies during her House tenure can attest.",
">\n\nAnother instance of unequal justice under the law, imo. If you or I disregarded a subpoena from Congress we'd be going to jail...like Steve Bannon.",
">\n\nDrag it out, do nothing, repeat. Glad the J6 group produced a ton of info and exposed a lot of the bs but what's the point of nothing really happens? Media circus? I'm so tired.",
">\n\nGreat precedent. It's good to know if I'm ever subpoenaed by congress I can just ignore it.",
">\n\nJ6 knew he'd puss out and just wanted to get it on the record. And for the same reason they haven't gone after Meadows for ignoring his subpoena, are all of the other serious crimes hanging over him and the orange Traitor in Chief, especially now, the subpoenas aren't worth the time and effort.",
">\n\n\nAnd for the same reason they haven't gone after Meadows for ignoring his subpoena\n\nTo be fair... the House voted him in criminal contempt and sent the referral to that to the DoJ. There wasn't really anything they could do beyond that with respect to his subpoena (yes, inherent contempt in theory exists, in practice it would have been useless for multiple reasons).\nMeadows is also included in the big criminal referrals the committee issued as part of their report as well.",
">\n\nAs usual, this country’s justice system is a joke",
">\n\nThis was a subpoena issued by the congress, not DOJ. He would be arrested if this was subpoena by DOJ and he didn’t show.",
">\n\nLike I said lol this country’s justice system is a joke",
">\n\nBut the justice system has not been involved yet!!! Congressional hearing is not an example of the justice system. The congress has referred the case to the DOJ or “the justice system” as a result of their hearing. DOJ will pursue a criminal investigation and pursue charges. \nJudiciary (justice system as you call it), congress, and executive branches are constitutionally separate and independent to ensure checks and balances.\nJustice system in the US is not ideal, but this specific instance is not an example of these inefficiencies. This is an example of how the congress has been ineffective in doing their legislative actions. In this instance the correct statement would be “Legislative system in this country is a joke.” Justice system has not had a chance to show its incompetence yet. That will be next.",
">\n\nNaive of you to think this is anything more than a show they’re putting on. Nothing will come of it, democrats are by nature pussies let’s be real. None have any teeth or claws. The right is full of a bunch of tribalistic monkeys, party is apparently more important than country. I guess I can rephrase, besides making money and being the best business in the world, America is a joke.",
">\n\n\"OMG. I'm so outraged by this even though I have no idea why.\"\nIt'd be nice if you guys learned the difference between the subpoena and the criminal referral. trump was never going to show up for the subpoena especially since the GOP is about to take control. It's a completely moot point.",
">\n\nExactly. The committee already referred him to the DoJ on criminal charges. Everyone is acting like they're just taking their ball and going home. They already went well and beyond a mere subpoena here, and one of the charges that they're recommending is obstruction already.",
">\n\nAren’t subpoenas mandatory with consequences? Either you show up or go to jail. Trump did neither.",
">\n\nNot if you are rich. Laws are you only for the the lower 90%",
">\n\nThis is such bullshit.",
">\n\nAnother precedent set for rich criminals to not comply. If we citizens didn’t show we’d be at a black site with electrodes on our genitals.",
">\n\nThey should have charged Trump with contempt of Congress.",
">\n\nSo whens the next uprising on behalf of rich people? Just be sure you're actually a political player because if you're just a worker you'll be charged. Chess has really changed over the past hundred years.",
">\n\nTotally expected. \nTrump, the really TV star, said he'd only agree to answer the subpoena if it were live & televised. It's quite obvious the reason is that he'd ignore the questioning & use the free air time to spew his BS, much like in the Presidential debates. \nAnd I'm sure the incoming Republican House would have loved to have given him the opportunity",
">\n\nyeah kinda moot at this point , they already made those criminal referrals anyways lol i wish they would have perused charging him for not showing up however but maybe they figured in light of everything they should focus on the key issues and at this point whatever he had to say really doesnt matter anyways as he would just lie. his testimony would pretty much be useless. its still a shame we didnt get to see it just for historys sake lol",
">\n\nAl trump would do is take the 5th like any other ordinary criminal",
">\n\nSo far as things have gone, will it now be ok for Democrats to ignore all the subpoenas that this next R House is going to send around? I’d think so….",
">\n\nOur government has failed us.... Good luck everyone.",
">\n\nAh yes the criminal Justice system, quite possibly the longest running joke in America",
">\n\n& you just know the cheeto will say something like, ha!, they dropped the subpoena cause they knew I am innocent, or some 💩 like that",
">\n\nNo surprise there. Trump is above the law, as he has proven time and again, over and over throughout the last several years. \nI will be surprised if anything comes out of this investigation, at all. \nI will be surprised if the next republican president isn't worse than Trump. \nI mean seriously, how do they convict him of anything if they can't even call him for questioning. Ever heard of anyone, ever, to get convicted of a crime that didn't have to talk to investigators at some point? \nFuck America. Fuck Trump. And fuck the pussy ass people who refuse to do their fucking job.",
">\n\nThey dropped it because it wasn't necessary and would have given him a national platform needlessly. DOJ will pass to the special council which will bring formal charges, if any will be brought.",
">\n\nThis is actually heartbreaking. Seen a lot of politicians and people of note show time and time again that the rules for EVERY CITIZEN don’t apply to them and this stings just a little more",
">\n\nMy theory that he is blackmailing everyone from the White House down with Area 51 malarky is still holding water...",
">\n\nLet us all start committing crimes and see how that goes, this is bs",
">\n\nSuch bs. I knew he would sleeze his way out of any consequences for his actions. This will only embolden him & his lunatic followers. He incites a riot that kills people & gets away with it. If any of us incited a riot, we would still be in jail & if people died during the riot, we would be charged with murder as well. So sick & tired of the double standard when it comes to a president who breaks the law & walks away, just like nixon did.",
">\n\nshould not have dropped\nshould have referred it to doj for contempt of congress...\nwhite rich continue to get a pass for what the rest of us would have long ago been prosecuted and imprisoned...",
">\n\nThey already referred him to DOJ for obstruction of a govt proceeding last week. What are you talking about?",
">\n\nYeah, because why would you want to subpoena the guy who was completely responsible for the entire thing?\nThe Chuck Schumer neoliberals have engineered this to completely let Trump get away with it - because they think the Republicans are still their friends and they don't want to piss them off!",
">\n\nThey subpoenaed trump months ago. He declined to show. Since, investigation is over, they dropped it. This is not even really news worthy.",
">\n\nHalf the people in this thread have no idea what they're talking about and are confusing the subpoena with the criminal referral.",
">\n\nOh, is that what's going on? Lol. I was wondering why ppl are making a big deal about this. This is just the committee cleaning up loose ends.",
">\n\nIt's a big deal if someone who's now a private citizen, can do wtf he wants and ignore a Congressional subpoena.",
">\n\nIt takes votes by congress to hold in contempt. They didn't need trump's testimony. He would just show up and repeat I plead the 5th anyway. Pence ignored his, too. It's pointless to hold them in contempt and get off focus of actual investigation.",
">\n\nYou're proving my point. Congressional Democrats should have enforced the subpoena and made Trump plead the 5th to every question. Imagine if Pence also appeared and pled the 5th to every question. That is political magic for the Democrats, it makes them look guilty as hell.\nTrump committed a crime, and this is America. It should be the same as if I committed a crime. We would get arrested, taken to jail until the morning, see a judge and face our charges, and then either get released on OR, held for trial, or bail set. It's not much of a democracy if laws are not enforced against powerful people.",
">\n\nOnce you all realize this is just a game and you’re the pawn things will make a lot more sense.",
">\n\nNow hear him cry about never getting a chance to testify when he’s charged.",
">\n\nI see this less as a “you’re excused” and more of a “see you in court”",
">\n\nNo need to bother with it when they've already finished their work. The only thing that testimony would have accomplished would have been getting Trump to look bad on national television, and a potential perjury charge. Trump already has embarrassed himself in public in a massive way since then, and they have bigger crimes to recommend to the DOJ for prosecution.",
">\n\nThe moment they announced the subpoena everyone got a hard on that trump would have to talk. I said it then and I’ll say it again, trump will never have to face any punishment and he doesn’t have to comply to any law or rules. They’re all more suggestions instead of laws.",
">\n\nWhat a waste of fucking time",
">\n\nSo......this was a big fat waste of time and money?",
">\n\nI mean they made a criminal referral so, no? The committee wasn’t set up to solely investigate Dolt 45 and took the testimony of over a thousand people, why is it you believe withdrawing one subpoena because the committee is winding down renders the entire process a “waste of time and money.”",
">\n\nNo mention on CNN that they dropped the subpoena after a year of January 6 January 6 January 6 terrible news station",
">\n\nWell, it’s being run by a Republican so go figure",
">\n\nTalk about the wheels of justice turning slow. In this case reversing altogether. Well done.",
">\n\nI wish this surprised me.",
">\n\nLOL God this is so funny\nWhat the fuck did y'all expect if you have money you are above the law. It only applies to the poor and those who step on the toes of capital.",
">\n\nWhat a waste of money",
">\n\n...And a Happy New Year!",
">\n\nClassic",
">\n\nShocking",
">\n\nOur governing body are a bunch of cowards. The US is being safeguarded by self-interested Congresspersons who speak about accountability and act on cowardice.",
">\n\nLet's be honest he'll get away with everything with a slap on the wrist. This country won't prosecute a sitting or former president or high ranking politician, we've seen this over and over. The whole committee is sadly a publicity stunt to gain traction for Democrat's. I hope I'm completely wrong of course and that this country will start to feel like it's a democracy.",
">\n\nThe coup is in effect.",
">\n\nI have a sad feeling this committee is going to end up like a fart in the wind",
">\n\nYou’re not wrong",
">\n\nWtf are you talking about?",
">\n\nHands",
">\n\nWho are you talking to? Lmao",
">\n\nWent out with a whimper. The most Democrat thing ever.\nWish the Dems would learn how to take the gloves off, at least they would have a shot against an opponent that has no problems filling their gloves with lead shot. Then bragging about it.",
">\n\nThe subpoena, and associated contempt charges would be nothing when compared to the recommendations made by the committee to the DOJ. Whether or not the DOJ will act is all that matters at this point.",
">\n\nPathetic pieces of shit",
">\n\nAll theatre, all the time. Seems like by now, to most people, that somehow being trolled by their favorite elected might be possible.",
">\n\nSo wait, he just gets away with everything? Just like that?\nWhat about all the articles saying that Trump will most likely spend the rest of his life in prison?",
">\n\nThe subpoena has nothing to do with the recommendations made by the committee to the DOJ. The ball is in the DOJ’s court. The subpoena doesn’t impact anything. Absurd that he didn’t get held in contempt, but that is more of a distraction than anything.",
">\n\nI see. Thanks for explaining!",
">\n\nCan anyone explain why he was not arrested for not responding to the subpoena? I thought you had to respond to these?",
">\n\nFirst they would have had to vote for contempt. Then they would need to issue a referral to DOJ, then DOJ would need to consider it. That is not happening in a week before the new congress is sworn in an this committee expires. They have issued their report and no longer need to speak to him. That is why it was withdrawn. Their job is done.",
">\n\nSubpoenas are real, or they’re not.\nIn the real world if any person defied or ignored a subpoena they would be arrested immediately.\nWhy are some Americans allowed to break the law in broad daylight.",
">\n\nWhy is the DOJ dragging its feet in charging anyone?",
">\n\nDOJ has charged over 700 people out of January 6 and they continue to charge cases. Most of these cases took months if not years to come to fruition.\nAt the end of the day DOJ has no obligation to act on any of the committee’s referrals, although I believe they already have ongoing investigations as to several of the subjects. If anything new comes out of the committee’s work it’s unlikely to happen soon.",
">\n\nThe US is beyond broken. The wealthy can do whatever they want while we are the only ones who face consequences. I can’t wait to leave this shithole again. I won’t be making the mistake of coming back like I did last year.",
">\n\nSuch a farce",
">\n\nBut he wanted to appear!!"
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"So far Trump's legal strategy of ignoring calls for accountability until Republicans in Congress can bail him out is workingly flawlessly.",
">\n\nThat doesn’t mean the DoJ can’t charge and prosecute. \nRight now everything is in response to republicans getting their slim majority in the house and lessen the damage they will do.\nThat said, they still have the mountain of evidence they did gather",
">\n\nWhat about when the AG/DOJ is a GOP appointee? You don’t think they’ll just put in a Bill Barr type on the entire thing?",
">\n\nNot while they have a democratic president and especially when the previous president lost them the midterms.\nThey were already planning on replacing trump with Desantes by equating the 2 (Martha’s Vineyard was part of that), they’re only gonna lose trying to put their party’s future on the line protect him further.\nThey gonna continue to spread doubt and try to discredit the investigations, but they’re barely holding onto a branch of government, they’re not stupid. Barr only worked because they held onto 2",
">\n\nUmmm that’s not what I meant. If a GOP candidate for President wins in 2024 , what are the actual legal implications. It’s not like it’s below them to interfere like they did with the collusion charges",
">\n\n\nThe House January 6 committee is withdrawing its subpoena of former President Donald Trump as it concludes its work.\n“In light of the imminent end of our investigation, the Select Committee can no longer pursue the specific information covered by the subpoena,” Chairman Bennie Thompson, a Mississippi Democrat, wrote in a letter to Trump’s attorney Wednesday obtained by CNN.\n“Therefore, through this letter, I hereby formally withdraw the subpoena issued to former President Trump, and notify you that he is no longer obligated to comply or produce records in response to said subpoena,” Thompson added.",
">\n\nConclusion: Former president Trump is above the law.",
">\n\nYeah kind of makes me sad. Trump can just ignore a subpoena, with zero consequences. \n“We believe you tried to overthrow the government. You are legally required to come talk to us about it.”\n“No thanks.”\n“Oh. Ok, never mind.”",
">\n\nNo consequences? He's has been referred to the DOJ for obstruction of a govt processing last week. They held a recorded vote.",
">\n\nThat’s not a consequence. It’s kicking the can. Trump will never, ever be held responsible for his role in destroying democracy in America.",
">\n\nThis is not TV or a movie. \"The wheels of justice grind slowly yet exceedingly fine\" is a saying for a reason. Federal investigations usually take years.",
">\n\nHe’s been investigated for years. No consequences. Just special appointments, investigations, and referrals. In the mean time, you know who DOES face consequences?\nAmerica.",
">\n\nYou are judging the end of the movie before it is over.\nThe previous investigations were being done while he had the shield of the presidency and an attorney general running obstruction for him. None of that is true now.",
">\n\nThe GOP will continue fighting on his behalf, because the majority are complicit in 45’s fuckery. Again, no consequences will be had. I’m willing to wager a gift card to your favorite local restaurant that he will live fat, rich, and free until at least the 2024/25 inauguration. Save this post.",
">\n\nWe'll see about that. I'll admit to the loss if thats the case.",
">\n\nMore proof that we the people have no rights in comparison to the billionaire ticks.",
">\n\nDude ain't no billionaire",
">\n\nNo, but his buddies are.",
">\n\nHis puppet masters maybe",
">\n\nI mean, who would have thought not starting the fight sooner would end like this?",
">\n\nDon’t worry. He’s got so many more coming.",
">\n\nThe idea that Trump will pay any price for his crimes is a fantasy.",
">\n\nIt’s actually happening. His company has been found guilty. His charity is closed. His cohorts are about to go to jail. His popularity sagging. Protection is gone. We just need the first indictment.",
">\n\nBut none is him",
">\n\nWell Trump Org is pretty much him but be patient.",
">\n\nDrops in the bucket. \nBeen patient for like 6 years now. How much more we gotta wait?",
">\n\nHe couldn’t be prosecuted while president. Watch GA and the special prosecutor. They’re moving fast.",
">\n\nCouldn't be?\nShould have been.",
">\n\nThat’s absolutely wild that any man is able to just straight up ignore a subpoena with zero consequences. Definition of “above the law”. If he gets away with this, he is going to be more dangerous than ever. You get away with leading a coup/insurrection, you’re going to assume you can get away with literally anything. \nMaybe trump was right… he really could shoot someone in the middle of 5th avenue and not lose any voters…and also probably not even get in trouble",
">\n\nSerious questions...so the committee pull the subpoena, but it's up to DOJ for any additional follow up, but when the new congress is in session they can tell DOJ to drop everything? Is that how's its going to go down? Because I thought DOJ is supposed to be independent once given the committee's findings?",
">\n\nThe DOJ is certainly independent of Congress. As for the committee - the only thing they would've done differently was vote on a criminal referral for contempt of Congress. Although there is some truth to congressional contempt needing to stem from congress, The DOJ has no obligation to act on a referral - it is more akin to a recommendation.\nWith that being said, the committee knew it wasn't going to serve any real benefit, so they decided not to.\n\nThe DOJ decided not to prosecute Meadows and Scavino for contempt due to their close ties to the executive. This pretty much ruled out any chance of it happening to Trump, a former President. \nEven a completely successful referral (Steve Bannon) showed how inconsequential Congressional subpoena power is. For one, it is a misdemeanor. It has been ~15 months since Bannon was referred, and he was found guilty and sentenced, and he is still a free man pending appeal. And even if upheld, it's only 4 months in prison as just shy of maximum sentencing guidelines. \nThe DOJ, if they prosecute, are aiming at much bigger crimes - notably Obstruction of an Official Proceeding, which carries up to 20 years. And they'd be potentially trying these crimes in the same jurisdiction.\n\nSo I'm sure the calculation was that it just wasn't worth throwing a referral at the DOJ for something they'd never follow up on, and wouldn't be much benefit if they did.",
">\n\nIn summary, he’s committed so many crimes that this one isn’t worth any effort",
">\n\nEssentially, yeah. The DOJ has two big chances to secure a conviction: Mar-A-Lago and Jan. 6 - and they will likely bring multiple charges in a D.C. court if they decide to prosecute. Mar-A-Lago will come first, which has virtually nothing to do with this committee's work.\nReferring a misdemeanor to tack onto 4 serious felonies they referred probably only risked muddying the larger offenses. Can't blame them honestly.",
">\n\nWhat is “Mar a Lago” in this context! The tax scheme? Classified documents?",
">\n\nThe classified documents",
">\n\nSmall point but they weren't all classified and don't need to be, for what he did to be illegal. Just trying to avoid republican framing.",
">\n\nHillary was not afraid to testify every time she was asked (and testified for hours and hours each time, answering all questions asked) and never took the 5th. Yet republicans act like she is the criminal when it always has been trump.",
">\n\nEven if she was wrong she was smarter than any of the R in the room. That woman was a machine during those hearings and gave them nothing to work with.",
">\n\nShe is definitely smarter than that barrel of monkeys who questioned her, but ultimately, there was nothing to get from her - the perfect opposite case of crimey benedict donald and his co-conspirators.",
">\n\nIt's interesting to see that people think this subpoena would have continued to exist past Jan 3, 2023 given that that's when ALL open subpoenas from the outgoing congress expire and become null and void. Even if the J6 committee continued to exist- they would be required to file a brand new one in the new session.",
">\n\nIt wouldn't be that hard to file a brand new subpoena, they have lawyers who work full-time for them. That isn't an obstacle.",
">\n\nExcept for the committee doesn't exist in the new Congress and they have no powers to do anything if they don't exist.",
">\n\nIt's easy to get the two confused a lot of times.",
">\n\nHow many of y'all actually thought he wasn't going to run out the clock? \nNothing will fundamentally change.",
">\n\nNobody. The “justice takes time” chorus that dominated the narrative was only here to quell social unrest so society didn’t take a dive while the rich mocked us from their golden pedestals.",
">\n\nSerious question: Why? So what if the Dems lose power in the Congress. Let the Republicans be the one to formally dismantle the committee and subpoena on record. Then when hopefully Trump is charged by the DOJ, dems have another talking point for 2024 that the Republicans hate law and order and protect mob bosses.",
">\n\nThe select committee expires at the end of the congressional session. So they do not need to question him because the committee will not exist.",
">\n\nBut what is the point of formally withdrawing the subpoena? What does it accomplish?",
">\n\nThe committee is over. They have issued the report, they are closing up shop. They are following the process. A secondary part of the committees job was to show how a REAL congressional hearing should be handled. None of that sloppy ass grandstanding they did for Benghazi",
">\n\nMy viewpoint is that Trump and the GOP are just going to use this as “proof” that he did nothing wrong. Remember how the Mueller report “exonerated” Trump? His base believes this shit wholeheartedly and I guarantee he will use this as “evidence” for his innocence.\nShowing how things SHOULD be handled instead of taking whatever measures needed to protect Americans lead to Jan 6th happening in the first place. We all know how things should be handled, how the rules should work, but one side is willing to do whatever they need to keep power and the other is getting walked over.\nIs taking the high road worth letting fascism into our government?",
">\n\nIt’s good to know that republicans are allowed to ignore subpoenas. That’s useful info for them. Don’t expect dems to get that treatment",
">\n\nThey dropped the ball in not issuing one a couple of months ago",
">\n\nActually the Democrats have done everything not to ever pick up the ball even once. They let trump appointed republicans appoint a republican special counsel to fall like a straw man to blatant obstruction in the Russia probe. They turned it into a fundraiser for campaigning. \nThis time they let liz Cheney take the reins, who was able to preserve her republican prerogatives throughout this entire ordeal. \nThe fact is that you're all being cucked by forces of controlled opposition and I'm apparently the only one in the world who can't be so easily mitigated.\nI can't depend on any of you anymore than you can depend on yourselves.",
">\n\nYou lost all credibility at the end when you said cuck and act like you’re the smartest person in the world. Be gone!",
">\n\nYeah, I don't know how anyone can be expected to be taken seriously using that whole sentence unironically.",
">\n\nI don't expect to be taken seriously whether I say it or not, yet the facts remain as I've described.",
">\n\nI didn’t see that coming, said absolutely no one.",
">\n\nWhy.",
">\n\nHUGE mistake. The committee will be dissolved by the GOPers in a couple weeks, and all this did was to give the Marmalade Moses another fake victory to rile up his lemmings.",
">\n\nIt’s funny because I say the same thing every time about trump never getting charged and I always get shit about it like BUT NO THIS TIME IS DIFFERENT. \nLmao right. Sure it is.",
">\n\nFucking same. This is just more “ammo” for his orange, shit spewing mouth.",
">\n\nThis guy is still getting more media coverage than the current potus two years into his term. Crazy.",
">\n\nIt does blow that he wasn't forced to comply with the subpoena but for people thinking what a bummer this seems like, the house is switching to a republican majority in like a week so it didn't make a whole lot of sense to leave an active subpoena on record knowing it would never be resolved. They likely knew he wasn't going to comply when it was issued only now its offical that it was officially issued, ignored by trump, and terminated. Who knows if the DOJ will eventually file but everyone pretty much already knew that little temper tantrum trump wasn't going to aid in his own house sedition investigation.",
">\n\nIf we restrict ourselves to the issue of compliance with a subpoena from this committee, then the recent election clearly mooted every aspect of penalties or consequences related to ignoring the subpoena.\nIt's like a big brother was called over and little bro wanted him to force his adversary to bow and kiss the ground. But by the time big bro finally wanders over, the kid goes \"nah... we're good.\"\nA lot of folk like to believe contempt of court or contempt of congress is like any other crime where you do the deed and have to face the punishment. But, in general, these things do not work like crimes. Even where contempt has been codified such that there is a criminal contempt aspect, the goal remains to seek or to force compliance. This leads to \"punishments\" which are better or worse depending on how you view things. A simple view is that you could be \"sentenced\" to indefinite incarceration because it's a \"jailed until compliance\" thing.\nIn this case, Congress has been very, very reticent to try to use their inherent power to jail someone. So the most they ever do these days is refer the case to the DoJ to pursue criminal contempt of congress.\nAll in all, is this a \"good\" thing? Maybe it's not as bad as we feel it to be. Imagine any sort of argument where someone demands you do something. You retort \"are you sure?\" Bystanders urge folk cool down and think about it. Map that into the way Congress changes every two years and you get a sense that unless something is important enough that it remains after the public alters the composition of the legislative branch, maybe it's not all that important (to the public) after all.\nOn the other hand, why would anyone fear Congress when they demonstrate time and again there never really are any consequences for refusal to comply with subpoenas? But... do we want to quake in fear whenever some nutjob party gains control and enacts something as dire as the Committee on Unamerican Activities?",
">\n\nWhat is the advantage of dropping the subpoena, as opposed to just letting it expire/letting the new congress withdraw it? Why go on record saying he no longer has to come in? I get that he was never going to show, I’m just curious why this is better than the alternative.",
">\n\nI’m wondering this too. There has to be a good reason.",
">\n\n?? Why, like it had no power, but still why? This looks like weakness",
">\n\nThe subpoena expires when the new congress is sworn in on Jan 3rd. There was no practical way to enforce it.",
">\n\nWhy not just let it expire?\nNow Republicans have a talking point that the January 6th Committee withdrew their subpoena.\nThey'll use it to muddy the waters and spread more misinformation.",
">\n\nThey already had their talking points. They've had them the whole time. They already released a \"counter report\" to the J6 committee. The committee withdrew it because they are closing up shop. The report is out. Where would Donnie's answers go?",
">\n\nWhy was he not charged with contempt for no show? Once again, he gets let off for bad behaviour",
">\n\nBecause they referred him for 4 much more serious crimes with longer sentences. Referring him for this is essentially pointless.",
">\n\nYes, but i see it as another nail in the coffin, and also sends a message that subpoenas are not to be ignored",
">\n\nImagine if you or I tried to just ignore a subpoena.",
">\n\nIt’s OK if you’re a Republican, as the war criminal’s daughter who voted in line with Trump’s policies during her House tenure can attest.",
">\n\nAnother instance of unequal justice under the law, imo. If you or I disregarded a subpoena from Congress we'd be going to jail...like Steve Bannon.",
">\n\nDrag it out, do nothing, repeat. Glad the J6 group produced a ton of info and exposed a lot of the bs but what's the point of nothing really happens? Media circus? I'm so tired.",
">\n\nGreat precedent. It's good to know if I'm ever subpoenaed by congress I can just ignore it.",
">\n\nJ6 knew he'd puss out and just wanted to get it on the record. And for the same reason they haven't gone after Meadows for ignoring his subpoena, are all of the other serious crimes hanging over him and the orange Traitor in Chief, especially now, the subpoenas aren't worth the time and effort.",
">\n\n\nAnd for the same reason they haven't gone after Meadows for ignoring his subpoena\n\nTo be fair... the House voted him in criminal contempt and sent the referral to that to the DoJ. There wasn't really anything they could do beyond that with respect to his subpoena (yes, inherent contempt in theory exists, in practice it would have been useless for multiple reasons).\nMeadows is also included in the big criminal referrals the committee issued as part of their report as well.",
">\n\nAs usual, this country’s justice system is a joke",
">\n\nThis was a subpoena issued by the congress, not DOJ. He would be arrested if this was subpoena by DOJ and he didn’t show.",
">\n\nLike I said lol this country’s justice system is a joke",
">\n\nBut the justice system has not been involved yet!!! Congressional hearing is not an example of the justice system. The congress has referred the case to the DOJ or “the justice system” as a result of their hearing. DOJ will pursue a criminal investigation and pursue charges. \nJudiciary (justice system as you call it), congress, and executive branches are constitutionally separate and independent to ensure checks and balances.\nJustice system in the US is not ideal, but this specific instance is not an example of these inefficiencies. This is an example of how the congress has been ineffective in doing their legislative actions. In this instance the correct statement would be “Legislative system in this country is a joke.” Justice system has not had a chance to show its incompetence yet. That will be next.",
">\n\nNaive of you to think this is anything more than a show they’re putting on. Nothing will come of it, democrats are by nature pussies let’s be real. None have any teeth or claws. The right is full of a bunch of tribalistic monkeys, party is apparently more important than country. I guess I can rephrase, besides making money and being the best business in the world, America is a joke.",
">\n\n\"OMG. I'm so outraged by this even though I have no idea why.\"\nIt'd be nice if you guys learned the difference between the subpoena and the criminal referral. trump was never going to show up for the subpoena especially since the GOP is about to take control. It's a completely moot point.",
">\n\nExactly. The committee already referred him to the DoJ on criminal charges. Everyone is acting like they're just taking their ball and going home. They already went well and beyond a mere subpoena here, and one of the charges that they're recommending is obstruction already.",
">\n\nAren’t subpoenas mandatory with consequences? Either you show up or go to jail. Trump did neither.",
">\n\nNot if you are rich. Laws are you only for the the lower 90%",
">\n\nThis is such bullshit.",
">\n\nAnother precedent set for rich criminals to not comply. If we citizens didn’t show we’d be at a black site with electrodes on our genitals.",
">\n\nThey should have charged Trump with contempt of Congress.",
">\n\nSo whens the next uprising on behalf of rich people? Just be sure you're actually a political player because if you're just a worker you'll be charged. Chess has really changed over the past hundred years.",
">\n\nTotally expected. \nTrump, the really TV star, said he'd only agree to answer the subpoena if it were live & televised. It's quite obvious the reason is that he'd ignore the questioning & use the free air time to spew his BS, much like in the Presidential debates. \nAnd I'm sure the incoming Republican House would have loved to have given him the opportunity",
">\n\nyeah kinda moot at this point , they already made those criminal referrals anyways lol i wish they would have perused charging him for not showing up however but maybe they figured in light of everything they should focus on the key issues and at this point whatever he had to say really doesnt matter anyways as he would just lie. his testimony would pretty much be useless. its still a shame we didnt get to see it just for historys sake lol",
">\n\nAl trump would do is take the 5th like any other ordinary criminal",
">\n\nSo far as things have gone, will it now be ok for Democrats to ignore all the subpoenas that this next R House is going to send around? I’d think so….",
">\n\nOur government has failed us.... Good luck everyone.",
">\n\nAh yes the criminal Justice system, quite possibly the longest running joke in America",
">\n\n& you just know the cheeto will say something like, ha!, they dropped the subpoena cause they knew I am innocent, or some 💩 like that",
">\n\nNo surprise there. Trump is above the law, as he has proven time and again, over and over throughout the last several years. \nI will be surprised if anything comes out of this investigation, at all. \nI will be surprised if the next republican president isn't worse than Trump. \nI mean seriously, how do they convict him of anything if they can't even call him for questioning. Ever heard of anyone, ever, to get convicted of a crime that didn't have to talk to investigators at some point? \nFuck America. Fuck Trump. And fuck the pussy ass people who refuse to do their fucking job.",
">\n\nThey dropped it because it wasn't necessary and would have given him a national platform needlessly. DOJ will pass to the special council which will bring formal charges, if any will be brought.",
">\n\nThis is actually heartbreaking. Seen a lot of politicians and people of note show time and time again that the rules for EVERY CITIZEN don’t apply to them and this stings just a little more",
">\n\nMy theory that he is blackmailing everyone from the White House down with Area 51 malarky is still holding water...",
">\n\nLet us all start committing crimes and see how that goes, this is bs",
">\n\nSuch bs. I knew he would sleeze his way out of any consequences for his actions. This will only embolden him & his lunatic followers. He incites a riot that kills people & gets away with it. If any of us incited a riot, we would still be in jail & if people died during the riot, we would be charged with murder as well. So sick & tired of the double standard when it comes to a president who breaks the law & walks away, just like nixon did.",
">\n\nshould not have dropped\nshould have referred it to doj for contempt of congress...\nwhite rich continue to get a pass for what the rest of us would have long ago been prosecuted and imprisoned...",
">\n\nThey already referred him to DOJ for obstruction of a govt proceeding last week. What are you talking about?",
">\n\nYeah, because why would you want to subpoena the guy who was completely responsible for the entire thing?\nThe Chuck Schumer neoliberals have engineered this to completely let Trump get away with it - because they think the Republicans are still their friends and they don't want to piss them off!",
">\n\nThey subpoenaed trump months ago. He declined to show. Since, investigation is over, they dropped it. This is not even really news worthy.",
">\n\nHalf the people in this thread have no idea what they're talking about and are confusing the subpoena with the criminal referral.",
">\n\nOh, is that what's going on? Lol. I was wondering why ppl are making a big deal about this. This is just the committee cleaning up loose ends.",
">\n\nIt's a big deal if someone who's now a private citizen, can do wtf he wants and ignore a Congressional subpoena.",
">\n\nIt takes votes by congress to hold in contempt. They didn't need trump's testimony. He would just show up and repeat I plead the 5th anyway. Pence ignored his, too. It's pointless to hold them in contempt and get off focus of actual investigation.",
">\n\nYou're proving my point. Congressional Democrats should have enforced the subpoena and made Trump plead the 5th to every question. Imagine if Pence also appeared and pled the 5th to every question. That is political magic for the Democrats, it makes them look guilty as hell.\nTrump committed a crime, and this is America. It should be the same as if I committed a crime. We would get arrested, taken to jail until the morning, see a judge and face our charges, and then either get released on OR, held for trial, or bail set. It's not much of a democracy if laws are not enforced against powerful people.",
">\n\nOnce you all realize this is just a game and you’re the pawn things will make a lot more sense.",
">\n\nNow hear him cry about never getting a chance to testify when he’s charged.",
">\n\nI see this less as a “you’re excused” and more of a “see you in court”",
">\n\nNo need to bother with it when they've already finished their work. The only thing that testimony would have accomplished would have been getting Trump to look bad on national television, and a potential perjury charge. Trump already has embarrassed himself in public in a massive way since then, and they have bigger crimes to recommend to the DOJ for prosecution.",
">\n\nThe moment they announced the subpoena everyone got a hard on that trump would have to talk. I said it then and I’ll say it again, trump will never have to face any punishment and he doesn’t have to comply to any law or rules. They’re all more suggestions instead of laws.",
">\n\nWhat a waste of fucking time",
">\n\nSo......this was a big fat waste of time and money?",
">\n\nI mean they made a criminal referral so, no? The committee wasn’t set up to solely investigate Dolt 45 and took the testimony of over a thousand people, why is it you believe withdrawing one subpoena because the committee is winding down renders the entire process a “waste of time and money.”",
">\n\nNo mention on CNN that they dropped the subpoena after a year of January 6 January 6 January 6 terrible news station",
">\n\nWell, it’s being run by a Republican so go figure",
">\n\nTalk about the wheels of justice turning slow. In this case reversing altogether. Well done.",
">\n\nI wish this surprised me.",
">\n\nLOL God this is so funny\nWhat the fuck did y'all expect if you have money you are above the law. It only applies to the poor and those who step on the toes of capital.",
">\n\nWhat a waste of money",
">\n\n...And a Happy New Year!",
">\n\nClassic",
">\n\nShocking",
">\n\nOur governing body are a bunch of cowards. The US is being safeguarded by self-interested Congresspersons who speak about accountability and act on cowardice.",
">\n\nLet's be honest he'll get away with everything with a slap on the wrist. This country won't prosecute a sitting or former president or high ranking politician, we've seen this over and over. The whole committee is sadly a publicity stunt to gain traction for Democrat's. I hope I'm completely wrong of course and that this country will start to feel like it's a democracy.",
">\n\nThe coup is in effect.",
">\n\nI have a sad feeling this committee is going to end up like a fart in the wind",
">\n\nYou’re not wrong",
">\n\nWtf are you talking about?",
">\n\nHands",
">\n\nWho are you talking to? Lmao",
">\n\nWent out with a whimper. The most Democrat thing ever.\nWish the Dems would learn how to take the gloves off, at least they would have a shot against an opponent that has no problems filling their gloves with lead shot. Then bragging about it.",
">\n\nThe subpoena, and associated contempt charges would be nothing when compared to the recommendations made by the committee to the DOJ. Whether or not the DOJ will act is all that matters at this point.",
">\n\nPathetic pieces of shit",
">\n\nAll theatre, all the time. Seems like by now, to most people, that somehow being trolled by their favorite elected might be possible.",
">\n\nSo wait, he just gets away with everything? Just like that?\nWhat about all the articles saying that Trump will most likely spend the rest of his life in prison?",
">\n\nThe subpoena has nothing to do with the recommendations made by the committee to the DOJ. The ball is in the DOJ’s court. The subpoena doesn’t impact anything. Absurd that he didn’t get held in contempt, but that is more of a distraction than anything.",
">\n\nI see. Thanks for explaining!",
">\n\nCan anyone explain why he was not arrested for not responding to the subpoena? I thought you had to respond to these?",
">\n\nFirst they would have had to vote for contempt. Then they would need to issue a referral to DOJ, then DOJ would need to consider it. That is not happening in a week before the new congress is sworn in an this committee expires. They have issued their report and no longer need to speak to him. That is why it was withdrawn. Their job is done.",
">\n\nSubpoenas are real, or they’re not.\nIn the real world if any person defied or ignored a subpoena they would be arrested immediately.\nWhy are some Americans allowed to break the law in broad daylight.",
">\n\nWhy is the DOJ dragging its feet in charging anyone?",
">\n\nDOJ has charged over 700 people out of January 6 and they continue to charge cases. Most of these cases took months if not years to come to fruition.\nAt the end of the day DOJ has no obligation to act on any of the committee’s referrals, although I believe they already have ongoing investigations as to several of the subjects. If anything new comes out of the committee’s work it’s unlikely to happen soon.",
">\n\nThe US is beyond broken. The wealthy can do whatever they want while we are the only ones who face consequences. I can’t wait to leave this shithole again. I won’t be making the mistake of coming back like I did last year.",
">\n\nSuch a farce",
">\n\nBut he wanted to appear!!",
">\n\nThe walls are closing in."
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Wait so what is Trump a dastardly super villain who keeps getting away or a dumb oaf. You guys just can't decide.
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"So far Trump's legal strategy of ignoring calls for accountability until Republicans in Congress can bail him out is workingly flawlessly.",
">\n\nThat doesn’t mean the DoJ can’t charge and prosecute. \nRight now everything is in response to republicans getting their slim majority in the house and lessen the damage they will do.\nThat said, they still have the mountain of evidence they did gather",
">\n\nWhat about when the AG/DOJ is a GOP appointee? You don’t think they’ll just put in a Bill Barr type on the entire thing?",
">\n\nNot while they have a democratic president and especially when the previous president lost them the midterms.\nThey were already planning on replacing trump with Desantes by equating the 2 (Martha’s Vineyard was part of that), they’re only gonna lose trying to put their party’s future on the line protect him further.\nThey gonna continue to spread doubt and try to discredit the investigations, but they’re barely holding onto a branch of government, they’re not stupid. Barr only worked because they held onto 2",
">\n\nUmmm that’s not what I meant. If a GOP candidate for President wins in 2024 , what are the actual legal implications. It’s not like it’s below them to interfere like they did with the collusion charges",
">\n\n\nThe House January 6 committee is withdrawing its subpoena of former President Donald Trump as it concludes its work.\n“In light of the imminent end of our investigation, the Select Committee can no longer pursue the specific information covered by the subpoena,” Chairman Bennie Thompson, a Mississippi Democrat, wrote in a letter to Trump’s attorney Wednesday obtained by CNN.\n“Therefore, through this letter, I hereby formally withdraw the subpoena issued to former President Trump, and notify you that he is no longer obligated to comply or produce records in response to said subpoena,” Thompson added.",
">\n\nConclusion: Former president Trump is above the law.",
">\n\nYeah kind of makes me sad. Trump can just ignore a subpoena, with zero consequences. \n“We believe you tried to overthrow the government. You are legally required to come talk to us about it.”\n“No thanks.”\n“Oh. Ok, never mind.”",
">\n\nNo consequences? He's has been referred to the DOJ for obstruction of a govt processing last week. They held a recorded vote.",
">\n\nThat’s not a consequence. It’s kicking the can. Trump will never, ever be held responsible for his role in destroying democracy in America.",
">\n\nThis is not TV or a movie. \"The wheels of justice grind slowly yet exceedingly fine\" is a saying for a reason. Federal investigations usually take years.",
">\n\nHe’s been investigated for years. No consequences. Just special appointments, investigations, and referrals. In the mean time, you know who DOES face consequences?\nAmerica.",
">\n\nYou are judging the end of the movie before it is over.\nThe previous investigations were being done while he had the shield of the presidency and an attorney general running obstruction for him. None of that is true now.",
">\n\nThe GOP will continue fighting on his behalf, because the majority are complicit in 45’s fuckery. Again, no consequences will be had. I’m willing to wager a gift card to your favorite local restaurant that he will live fat, rich, and free until at least the 2024/25 inauguration. Save this post.",
">\n\nWe'll see about that. I'll admit to the loss if thats the case.",
">\n\nMore proof that we the people have no rights in comparison to the billionaire ticks.",
">\n\nDude ain't no billionaire",
">\n\nNo, but his buddies are.",
">\n\nHis puppet masters maybe",
">\n\nI mean, who would have thought not starting the fight sooner would end like this?",
">\n\nDon’t worry. He’s got so many more coming.",
">\n\nThe idea that Trump will pay any price for his crimes is a fantasy.",
">\n\nIt’s actually happening. His company has been found guilty. His charity is closed. His cohorts are about to go to jail. His popularity sagging. Protection is gone. We just need the first indictment.",
">\n\nBut none is him",
">\n\nWell Trump Org is pretty much him but be patient.",
">\n\nDrops in the bucket. \nBeen patient for like 6 years now. How much more we gotta wait?",
">\n\nHe couldn’t be prosecuted while president. Watch GA and the special prosecutor. They’re moving fast.",
">\n\nCouldn't be?\nShould have been.",
">\n\nThat’s absolutely wild that any man is able to just straight up ignore a subpoena with zero consequences. Definition of “above the law”. If he gets away with this, he is going to be more dangerous than ever. You get away with leading a coup/insurrection, you’re going to assume you can get away with literally anything. \nMaybe trump was right… he really could shoot someone in the middle of 5th avenue and not lose any voters…and also probably not even get in trouble",
">\n\nSerious questions...so the committee pull the subpoena, but it's up to DOJ for any additional follow up, but when the new congress is in session they can tell DOJ to drop everything? Is that how's its going to go down? Because I thought DOJ is supposed to be independent once given the committee's findings?",
">\n\nThe DOJ is certainly independent of Congress. As for the committee - the only thing they would've done differently was vote on a criminal referral for contempt of Congress. Although there is some truth to congressional contempt needing to stem from congress, The DOJ has no obligation to act on a referral - it is more akin to a recommendation.\nWith that being said, the committee knew it wasn't going to serve any real benefit, so they decided not to.\n\nThe DOJ decided not to prosecute Meadows and Scavino for contempt due to their close ties to the executive. This pretty much ruled out any chance of it happening to Trump, a former President. \nEven a completely successful referral (Steve Bannon) showed how inconsequential Congressional subpoena power is. For one, it is a misdemeanor. It has been ~15 months since Bannon was referred, and he was found guilty and sentenced, and he is still a free man pending appeal. And even if upheld, it's only 4 months in prison as just shy of maximum sentencing guidelines. \nThe DOJ, if they prosecute, are aiming at much bigger crimes - notably Obstruction of an Official Proceeding, which carries up to 20 years. And they'd be potentially trying these crimes in the same jurisdiction.\n\nSo I'm sure the calculation was that it just wasn't worth throwing a referral at the DOJ for something they'd never follow up on, and wouldn't be much benefit if they did.",
">\n\nIn summary, he’s committed so many crimes that this one isn’t worth any effort",
">\n\nEssentially, yeah. The DOJ has two big chances to secure a conviction: Mar-A-Lago and Jan. 6 - and they will likely bring multiple charges in a D.C. court if they decide to prosecute. Mar-A-Lago will come first, which has virtually nothing to do with this committee's work.\nReferring a misdemeanor to tack onto 4 serious felonies they referred probably only risked muddying the larger offenses. Can't blame them honestly.",
">\n\nWhat is “Mar a Lago” in this context! The tax scheme? Classified documents?",
">\n\nThe classified documents",
">\n\nSmall point but they weren't all classified and don't need to be, for what he did to be illegal. Just trying to avoid republican framing.",
">\n\nHillary was not afraid to testify every time she was asked (and testified for hours and hours each time, answering all questions asked) and never took the 5th. Yet republicans act like she is the criminal when it always has been trump.",
">\n\nEven if she was wrong she was smarter than any of the R in the room. That woman was a machine during those hearings and gave them nothing to work with.",
">\n\nShe is definitely smarter than that barrel of monkeys who questioned her, but ultimately, there was nothing to get from her - the perfect opposite case of crimey benedict donald and his co-conspirators.",
">\n\nIt's interesting to see that people think this subpoena would have continued to exist past Jan 3, 2023 given that that's when ALL open subpoenas from the outgoing congress expire and become null and void. Even if the J6 committee continued to exist- they would be required to file a brand new one in the new session.",
">\n\nIt wouldn't be that hard to file a brand new subpoena, they have lawyers who work full-time for them. That isn't an obstacle.",
">\n\nExcept for the committee doesn't exist in the new Congress and they have no powers to do anything if they don't exist.",
">\n\nIt's easy to get the two confused a lot of times.",
">\n\nHow many of y'all actually thought he wasn't going to run out the clock? \nNothing will fundamentally change.",
">\n\nNobody. The “justice takes time” chorus that dominated the narrative was only here to quell social unrest so society didn’t take a dive while the rich mocked us from their golden pedestals.",
">\n\nSerious question: Why? So what if the Dems lose power in the Congress. Let the Republicans be the one to formally dismantle the committee and subpoena on record. Then when hopefully Trump is charged by the DOJ, dems have another talking point for 2024 that the Republicans hate law and order and protect mob bosses.",
">\n\nThe select committee expires at the end of the congressional session. So they do not need to question him because the committee will not exist.",
">\n\nBut what is the point of formally withdrawing the subpoena? What does it accomplish?",
">\n\nThe committee is over. They have issued the report, they are closing up shop. They are following the process. A secondary part of the committees job was to show how a REAL congressional hearing should be handled. None of that sloppy ass grandstanding they did for Benghazi",
">\n\nMy viewpoint is that Trump and the GOP are just going to use this as “proof” that he did nothing wrong. Remember how the Mueller report “exonerated” Trump? His base believes this shit wholeheartedly and I guarantee he will use this as “evidence” for his innocence.\nShowing how things SHOULD be handled instead of taking whatever measures needed to protect Americans lead to Jan 6th happening in the first place. We all know how things should be handled, how the rules should work, but one side is willing to do whatever they need to keep power and the other is getting walked over.\nIs taking the high road worth letting fascism into our government?",
">\n\nIt’s good to know that republicans are allowed to ignore subpoenas. That’s useful info for them. Don’t expect dems to get that treatment",
">\n\nThey dropped the ball in not issuing one a couple of months ago",
">\n\nActually the Democrats have done everything not to ever pick up the ball even once. They let trump appointed republicans appoint a republican special counsel to fall like a straw man to blatant obstruction in the Russia probe. They turned it into a fundraiser for campaigning. \nThis time they let liz Cheney take the reins, who was able to preserve her republican prerogatives throughout this entire ordeal. \nThe fact is that you're all being cucked by forces of controlled opposition and I'm apparently the only one in the world who can't be so easily mitigated.\nI can't depend on any of you anymore than you can depend on yourselves.",
">\n\nYou lost all credibility at the end when you said cuck and act like you’re the smartest person in the world. Be gone!",
">\n\nYeah, I don't know how anyone can be expected to be taken seriously using that whole sentence unironically.",
">\n\nI don't expect to be taken seriously whether I say it or not, yet the facts remain as I've described.",
">\n\nI didn’t see that coming, said absolutely no one.",
">\n\nWhy.",
">\n\nHUGE mistake. The committee will be dissolved by the GOPers in a couple weeks, and all this did was to give the Marmalade Moses another fake victory to rile up his lemmings.",
">\n\nIt’s funny because I say the same thing every time about trump never getting charged and I always get shit about it like BUT NO THIS TIME IS DIFFERENT. \nLmao right. Sure it is.",
">\n\nFucking same. This is just more “ammo” for his orange, shit spewing mouth.",
">\n\nThis guy is still getting more media coverage than the current potus two years into his term. Crazy.",
">\n\nIt does blow that he wasn't forced to comply with the subpoena but for people thinking what a bummer this seems like, the house is switching to a republican majority in like a week so it didn't make a whole lot of sense to leave an active subpoena on record knowing it would never be resolved. They likely knew he wasn't going to comply when it was issued only now its offical that it was officially issued, ignored by trump, and terminated. Who knows if the DOJ will eventually file but everyone pretty much already knew that little temper tantrum trump wasn't going to aid in his own house sedition investigation.",
">\n\nIf we restrict ourselves to the issue of compliance with a subpoena from this committee, then the recent election clearly mooted every aspect of penalties or consequences related to ignoring the subpoena.\nIt's like a big brother was called over and little bro wanted him to force his adversary to bow and kiss the ground. But by the time big bro finally wanders over, the kid goes \"nah... we're good.\"\nA lot of folk like to believe contempt of court or contempt of congress is like any other crime where you do the deed and have to face the punishment. But, in general, these things do not work like crimes. Even where contempt has been codified such that there is a criminal contempt aspect, the goal remains to seek or to force compliance. This leads to \"punishments\" which are better or worse depending on how you view things. A simple view is that you could be \"sentenced\" to indefinite incarceration because it's a \"jailed until compliance\" thing.\nIn this case, Congress has been very, very reticent to try to use their inherent power to jail someone. So the most they ever do these days is refer the case to the DoJ to pursue criminal contempt of congress.\nAll in all, is this a \"good\" thing? Maybe it's not as bad as we feel it to be. Imagine any sort of argument where someone demands you do something. You retort \"are you sure?\" Bystanders urge folk cool down and think about it. Map that into the way Congress changes every two years and you get a sense that unless something is important enough that it remains after the public alters the composition of the legislative branch, maybe it's not all that important (to the public) after all.\nOn the other hand, why would anyone fear Congress when they demonstrate time and again there never really are any consequences for refusal to comply with subpoenas? But... do we want to quake in fear whenever some nutjob party gains control and enacts something as dire as the Committee on Unamerican Activities?",
">\n\nWhat is the advantage of dropping the subpoena, as opposed to just letting it expire/letting the new congress withdraw it? Why go on record saying he no longer has to come in? I get that he was never going to show, I’m just curious why this is better than the alternative.",
">\n\nI’m wondering this too. There has to be a good reason.",
">\n\n?? Why, like it had no power, but still why? This looks like weakness",
">\n\nThe subpoena expires when the new congress is sworn in on Jan 3rd. There was no practical way to enforce it.",
">\n\nWhy not just let it expire?\nNow Republicans have a talking point that the January 6th Committee withdrew their subpoena.\nThey'll use it to muddy the waters and spread more misinformation.",
">\n\nThey already had their talking points. They've had them the whole time. They already released a \"counter report\" to the J6 committee. The committee withdrew it because they are closing up shop. The report is out. Where would Donnie's answers go?",
">\n\nWhy was he not charged with contempt for no show? Once again, he gets let off for bad behaviour",
">\n\nBecause they referred him for 4 much more serious crimes with longer sentences. Referring him for this is essentially pointless.",
">\n\nYes, but i see it as another nail in the coffin, and also sends a message that subpoenas are not to be ignored",
">\n\nImagine if you or I tried to just ignore a subpoena.",
">\n\nIt’s OK if you’re a Republican, as the war criminal’s daughter who voted in line with Trump’s policies during her House tenure can attest.",
">\n\nAnother instance of unequal justice under the law, imo. If you or I disregarded a subpoena from Congress we'd be going to jail...like Steve Bannon.",
">\n\nDrag it out, do nothing, repeat. Glad the J6 group produced a ton of info and exposed a lot of the bs but what's the point of nothing really happens? Media circus? I'm so tired.",
">\n\nGreat precedent. It's good to know if I'm ever subpoenaed by congress I can just ignore it.",
">\n\nJ6 knew he'd puss out and just wanted to get it on the record. And for the same reason they haven't gone after Meadows for ignoring his subpoena, are all of the other serious crimes hanging over him and the orange Traitor in Chief, especially now, the subpoenas aren't worth the time and effort.",
">\n\n\nAnd for the same reason they haven't gone after Meadows for ignoring his subpoena\n\nTo be fair... the House voted him in criminal contempt and sent the referral to that to the DoJ. There wasn't really anything they could do beyond that with respect to his subpoena (yes, inherent contempt in theory exists, in practice it would have been useless for multiple reasons).\nMeadows is also included in the big criminal referrals the committee issued as part of their report as well.",
">\n\nAs usual, this country’s justice system is a joke",
">\n\nThis was a subpoena issued by the congress, not DOJ. He would be arrested if this was subpoena by DOJ and he didn’t show.",
">\n\nLike I said lol this country’s justice system is a joke",
">\n\nBut the justice system has not been involved yet!!! Congressional hearing is not an example of the justice system. The congress has referred the case to the DOJ or “the justice system” as a result of their hearing. DOJ will pursue a criminal investigation and pursue charges. \nJudiciary (justice system as you call it), congress, and executive branches are constitutionally separate and independent to ensure checks and balances.\nJustice system in the US is not ideal, but this specific instance is not an example of these inefficiencies. This is an example of how the congress has been ineffective in doing their legislative actions. In this instance the correct statement would be “Legislative system in this country is a joke.” Justice system has not had a chance to show its incompetence yet. That will be next.",
">\n\nNaive of you to think this is anything more than a show they’re putting on. Nothing will come of it, democrats are by nature pussies let’s be real. None have any teeth or claws. The right is full of a bunch of tribalistic monkeys, party is apparently more important than country. I guess I can rephrase, besides making money and being the best business in the world, America is a joke.",
">\n\n\"OMG. I'm so outraged by this even though I have no idea why.\"\nIt'd be nice if you guys learned the difference between the subpoena and the criminal referral. trump was never going to show up for the subpoena especially since the GOP is about to take control. It's a completely moot point.",
">\n\nExactly. The committee already referred him to the DoJ on criminal charges. Everyone is acting like they're just taking their ball and going home. They already went well and beyond a mere subpoena here, and one of the charges that they're recommending is obstruction already.",
">\n\nAren’t subpoenas mandatory with consequences? Either you show up or go to jail. Trump did neither.",
">\n\nNot if you are rich. Laws are you only for the the lower 90%",
">\n\nThis is such bullshit.",
">\n\nAnother precedent set for rich criminals to not comply. If we citizens didn’t show we’d be at a black site with electrodes on our genitals.",
">\n\nThey should have charged Trump with contempt of Congress.",
">\n\nSo whens the next uprising on behalf of rich people? Just be sure you're actually a political player because if you're just a worker you'll be charged. Chess has really changed over the past hundred years.",
">\n\nTotally expected. \nTrump, the really TV star, said he'd only agree to answer the subpoena if it were live & televised. It's quite obvious the reason is that he'd ignore the questioning & use the free air time to spew his BS, much like in the Presidential debates. \nAnd I'm sure the incoming Republican House would have loved to have given him the opportunity",
">\n\nyeah kinda moot at this point , they already made those criminal referrals anyways lol i wish they would have perused charging him for not showing up however but maybe they figured in light of everything they should focus on the key issues and at this point whatever he had to say really doesnt matter anyways as he would just lie. his testimony would pretty much be useless. its still a shame we didnt get to see it just for historys sake lol",
">\n\nAl trump would do is take the 5th like any other ordinary criminal",
">\n\nSo far as things have gone, will it now be ok for Democrats to ignore all the subpoenas that this next R House is going to send around? I’d think so….",
">\n\nOur government has failed us.... Good luck everyone.",
">\n\nAh yes the criminal Justice system, quite possibly the longest running joke in America",
">\n\n& you just know the cheeto will say something like, ha!, they dropped the subpoena cause they knew I am innocent, or some 💩 like that",
">\n\nNo surprise there. Trump is above the law, as he has proven time and again, over and over throughout the last several years. \nI will be surprised if anything comes out of this investigation, at all. \nI will be surprised if the next republican president isn't worse than Trump. \nI mean seriously, how do they convict him of anything if they can't even call him for questioning. Ever heard of anyone, ever, to get convicted of a crime that didn't have to talk to investigators at some point? \nFuck America. Fuck Trump. And fuck the pussy ass people who refuse to do their fucking job.",
">\n\nThey dropped it because it wasn't necessary and would have given him a national platform needlessly. DOJ will pass to the special council which will bring formal charges, if any will be brought.",
">\n\nThis is actually heartbreaking. Seen a lot of politicians and people of note show time and time again that the rules for EVERY CITIZEN don’t apply to them and this stings just a little more",
">\n\nMy theory that he is blackmailing everyone from the White House down with Area 51 malarky is still holding water...",
">\n\nLet us all start committing crimes and see how that goes, this is bs",
">\n\nSuch bs. I knew he would sleeze his way out of any consequences for his actions. This will only embolden him & his lunatic followers. He incites a riot that kills people & gets away with it. If any of us incited a riot, we would still be in jail & if people died during the riot, we would be charged with murder as well. So sick & tired of the double standard when it comes to a president who breaks the law & walks away, just like nixon did.",
">\n\nshould not have dropped\nshould have referred it to doj for contempt of congress...\nwhite rich continue to get a pass for what the rest of us would have long ago been prosecuted and imprisoned...",
">\n\nThey already referred him to DOJ for obstruction of a govt proceeding last week. What are you talking about?",
">\n\nYeah, because why would you want to subpoena the guy who was completely responsible for the entire thing?\nThe Chuck Schumer neoliberals have engineered this to completely let Trump get away with it - because they think the Republicans are still their friends and they don't want to piss them off!",
">\n\nThey subpoenaed trump months ago. He declined to show. Since, investigation is over, they dropped it. This is not even really news worthy.",
">\n\nHalf the people in this thread have no idea what they're talking about and are confusing the subpoena with the criminal referral.",
">\n\nOh, is that what's going on? Lol. I was wondering why ppl are making a big deal about this. This is just the committee cleaning up loose ends.",
">\n\nIt's a big deal if someone who's now a private citizen, can do wtf he wants and ignore a Congressional subpoena.",
">\n\nIt takes votes by congress to hold in contempt. They didn't need trump's testimony. He would just show up and repeat I plead the 5th anyway. Pence ignored his, too. It's pointless to hold them in contempt and get off focus of actual investigation.",
">\n\nYou're proving my point. Congressional Democrats should have enforced the subpoena and made Trump plead the 5th to every question. Imagine if Pence also appeared and pled the 5th to every question. That is political magic for the Democrats, it makes them look guilty as hell.\nTrump committed a crime, and this is America. It should be the same as if I committed a crime. We would get arrested, taken to jail until the morning, see a judge and face our charges, and then either get released on OR, held for trial, or bail set. It's not much of a democracy if laws are not enforced against powerful people.",
">\n\nOnce you all realize this is just a game and you’re the pawn things will make a lot more sense.",
">\n\nNow hear him cry about never getting a chance to testify when he’s charged.",
">\n\nI see this less as a “you’re excused” and more of a “see you in court”",
">\n\nNo need to bother with it when they've already finished their work. The only thing that testimony would have accomplished would have been getting Trump to look bad on national television, and a potential perjury charge. Trump already has embarrassed himself in public in a massive way since then, and they have bigger crimes to recommend to the DOJ for prosecution.",
">\n\nThe moment they announced the subpoena everyone got a hard on that trump would have to talk. I said it then and I’ll say it again, trump will never have to face any punishment and he doesn’t have to comply to any law or rules. They’re all more suggestions instead of laws.",
">\n\nWhat a waste of fucking time",
">\n\nSo......this was a big fat waste of time and money?",
">\n\nI mean they made a criminal referral so, no? The committee wasn’t set up to solely investigate Dolt 45 and took the testimony of over a thousand people, why is it you believe withdrawing one subpoena because the committee is winding down renders the entire process a “waste of time and money.”",
">\n\nNo mention on CNN that they dropped the subpoena after a year of January 6 January 6 January 6 terrible news station",
">\n\nWell, it’s being run by a Republican so go figure",
">\n\nTalk about the wheels of justice turning slow. In this case reversing altogether. Well done.",
">\n\nI wish this surprised me.",
">\n\nLOL God this is so funny\nWhat the fuck did y'all expect if you have money you are above the law. It only applies to the poor and those who step on the toes of capital.",
">\n\nWhat a waste of money",
">\n\n...And a Happy New Year!",
">\n\nClassic",
">\n\nShocking",
">\n\nOur governing body are a bunch of cowards. The US is being safeguarded by self-interested Congresspersons who speak about accountability and act on cowardice.",
">\n\nLet's be honest he'll get away with everything with a slap on the wrist. This country won't prosecute a sitting or former president or high ranking politician, we've seen this over and over. The whole committee is sadly a publicity stunt to gain traction for Democrat's. I hope I'm completely wrong of course and that this country will start to feel like it's a democracy.",
">\n\nThe coup is in effect.",
">\n\nI have a sad feeling this committee is going to end up like a fart in the wind",
">\n\nYou’re not wrong",
">\n\nWtf are you talking about?",
">\n\nHands",
">\n\nWho are you talking to? Lmao",
">\n\nWent out with a whimper. The most Democrat thing ever.\nWish the Dems would learn how to take the gloves off, at least they would have a shot against an opponent that has no problems filling their gloves with lead shot. Then bragging about it.",
">\n\nThe subpoena, and associated contempt charges would be nothing when compared to the recommendations made by the committee to the DOJ. Whether or not the DOJ will act is all that matters at this point.",
">\n\nPathetic pieces of shit",
">\n\nAll theatre, all the time. Seems like by now, to most people, that somehow being trolled by their favorite elected might be possible.",
">\n\nSo wait, he just gets away with everything? Just like that?\nWhat about all the articles saying that Trump will most likely spend the rest of his life in prison?",
">\n\nThe subpoena has nothing to do with the recommendations made by the committee to the DOJ. The ball is in the DOJ’s court. The subpoena doesn’t impact anything. Absurd that he didn’t get held in contempt, but that is more of a distraction than anything.",
">\n\nI see. Thanks for explaining!",
">\n\nCan anyone explain why he was not arrested for not responding to the subpoena? I thought you had to respond to these?",
">\n\nFirst they would have had to vote for contempt. Then they would need to issue a referral to DOJ, then DOJ would need to consider it. That is not happening in a week before the new congress is sworn in an this committee expires. They have issued their report and no longer need to speak to him. That is why it was withdrawn. Their job is done.",
">\n\nSubpoenas are real, or they’re not.\nIn the real world if any person defied or ignored a subpoena they would be arrested immediately.\nWhy are some Americans allowed to break the law in broad daylight.",
">\n\nWhy is the DOJ dragging its feet in charging anyone?",
">\n\nDOJ has charged over 700 people out of January 6 and they continue to charge cases. Most of these cases took months if not years to come to fruition.\nAt the end of the day DOJ has no obligation to act on any of the committee’s referrals, although I believe they already have ongoing investigations as to several of the subjects. If anything new comes out of the committee’s work it’s unlikely to happen soon.",
">\n\nThe US is beyond broken. The wealthy can do whatever they want while we are the only ones who face consequences. I can’t wait to leave this shithole again. I won’t be making the mistake of coming back like I did last year.",
">\n\nSuch a farce",
">\n\nBut he wanted to appear!!",
">\n\nThe walls are closing in.",
">\n\nOk, people. Quit guilt-edging and go home."
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"So far Trump's legal strategy of ignoring calls for accountability until Republicans in Congress can bail him out is workingly flawlessly.",
">\n\nThat doesn’t mean the DoJ can’t charge and prosecute. \nRight now everything is in response to republicans getting their slim majority in the house and lessen the damage they will do.\nThat said, they still have the mountain of evidence they did gather",
">\n\nWhat about when the AG/DOJ is a GOP appointee? You don’t think they’ll just put in a Bill Barr type on the entire thing?",
">\n\nNot while they have a democratic president and especially when the previous president lost them the midterms.\nThey were already planning on replacing trump with Desantes by equating the 2 (Martha’s Vineyard was part of that), they’re only gonna lose trying to put their party’s future on the line protect him further.\nThey gonna continue to spread doubt and try to discredit the investigations, but they’re barely holding onto a branch of government, they’re not stupid. Barr only worked because they held onto 2",
">\n\nUmmm that’s not what I meant. If a GOP candidate for President wins in 2024 , what are the actual legal implications. It’s not like it’s below them to interfere like they did with the collusion charges",
">\n\n\nThe House January 6 committee is withdrawing its subpoena of former President Donald Trump as it concludes its work.\n“In light of the imminent end of our investigation, the Select Committee can no longer pursue the specific information covered by the subpoena,” Chairman Bennie Thompson, a Mississippi Democrat, wrote in a letter to Trump’s attorney Wednesday obtained by CNN.\n“Therefore, through this letter, I hereby formally withdraw the subpoena issued to former President Trump, and notify you that he is no longer obligated to comply or produce records in response to said subpoena,” Thompson added.",
">\n\nConclusion: Former president Trump is above the law.",
">\n\nYeah kind of makes me sad. Trump can just ignore a subpoena, with zero consequences. \n“We believe you tried to overthrow the government. You are legally required to come talk to us about it.”\n“No thanks.”\n“Oh. Ok, never mind.”",
">\n\nNo consequences? He's has been referred to the DOJ for obstruction of a govt processing last week. They held a recorded vote.",
">\n\nThat’s not a consequence. It’s kicking the can. Trump will never, ever be held responsible for his role in destroying democracy in America.",
">\n\nThis is not TV or a movie. \"The wheels of justice grind slowly yet exceedingly fine\" is a saying for a reason. Federal investigations usually take years.",
">\n\nHe’s been investigated for years. No consequences. Just special appointments, investigations, and referrals. In the mean time, you know who DOES face consequences?\nAmerica.",
">\n\nYou are judging the end of the movie before it is over.\nThe previous investigations were being done while he had the shield of the presidency and an attorney general running obstruction for him. None of that is true now.",
">\n\nThe GOP will continue fighting on his behalf, because the majority are complicit in 45’s fuckery. Again, no consequences will be had. I’m willing to wager a gift card to your favorite local restaurant that he will live fat, rich, and free until at least the 2024/25 inauguration. Save this post.",
">\n\nWe'll see about that. I'll admit to the loss if thats the case.",
">\n\nMore proof that we the people have no rights in comparison to the billionaire ticks.",
">\n\nDude ain't no billionaire",
">\n\nNo, but his buddies are.",
">\n\nHis puppet masters maybe",
">\n\nI mean, who would have thought not starting the fight sooner would end like this?",
">\n\nDon’t worry. He’s got so many more coming.",
">\n\nThe idea that Trump will pay any price for his crimes is a fantasy.",
">\n\nIt’s actually happening. His company has been found guilty. His charity is closed. His cohorts are about to go to jail. His popularity sagging. Protection is gone. We just need the first indictment.",
">\n\nBut none is him",
">\n\nWell Trump Org is pretty much him but be patient.",
">\n\nDrops in the bucket. \nBeen patient for like 6 years now. How much more we gotta wait?",
">\n\nHe couldn’t be prosecuted while president. Watch GA and the special prosecutor. They’re moving fast.",
">\n\nCouldn't be?\nShould have been.",
">\n\nThat’s absolutely wild that any man is able to just straight up ignore a subpoena with zero consequences. Definition of “above the law”. If he gets away with this, he is going to be more dangerous than ever. You get away with leading a coup/insurrection, you’re going to assume you can get away with literally anything. \nMaybe trump was right… he really could shoot someone in the middle of 5th avenue and not lose any voters…and also probably not even get in trouble",
">\n\nSerious questions...so the committee pull the subpoena, but it's up to DOJ for any additional follow up, but when the new congress is in session they can tell DOJ to drop everything? Is that how's its going to go down? Because I thought DOJ is supposed to be independent once given the committee's findings?",
">\n\nThe DOJ is certainly independent of Congress. As for the committee - the only thing they would've done differently was vote on a criminal referral for contempt of Congress. Although there is some truth to congressional contempt needing to stem from congress, The DOJ has no obligation to act on a referral - it is more akin to a recommendation.\nWith that being said, the committee knew it wasn't going to serve any real benefit, so they decided not to.\n\nThe DOJ decided not to prosecute Meadows and Scavino for contempt due to their close ties to the executive. This pretty much ruled out any chance of it happening to Trump, a former President. \nEven a completely successful referral (Steve Bannon) showed how inconsequential Congressional subpoena power is. For one, it is a misdemeanor. It has been ~15 months since Bannon was referred, and he was found guilty and sentenced, and he is still a free man pending appeal. And even if upheld, it's only 4 months in prison as just shy of maximum sentencing guidelines. \nThe DOJ, if they prosecute, are aiming at much bigger crimes - notably Obstruction of an Official Proceeding, which carries up to 20 years. And they'd be potentially trying these crimes in the same jurisdiction.\n\nSo I'm sure the calculation was that it just wasn't worth throwing a referral at the DOJ for something they'd never follow up on, and wouldn't be much benefit if they did.",
">\n\nIn summary, he’s committed so many crimes that this one isn’t worth any effort",
">\n\nEssentially, yeah. The DOJ has two big chances to secure a conviction: Mar-A-Lago and Jan. 6 - and they will likely bring multiple charges in a D.C. court if they decide to prosecute. Mar-A-Lago will come first, which has virtually nothing to do with this committee's work.\nReferring a misdemeanor to tack onto 4 serious felonies they referred probably only risked muddying the larger offenses. Can't blame them honestly.",
">\n\nWhat is “Mar a Lago” in this context! The tax scheme? Classified documents?",
">\n\nThe classified documents",
">\n\nSmall point but they weren't all classified and don't need to be, for what he did to be illegal. Just trying to avoid republican framing.",
">\n\nHillary was not afraid to testify every time she was asked (and testified for hours and hours each time, answering all questions asked) and never took the 5th. Yet republicans act like she is the criminal when it always has been trump.",
">\n\nEven if she was wrong she was smarter than any of the R in the room. That woman was a machine during those hearings and gave them nothing to work with.",
">\n\nShe is definitely smarter than that barrel of monkeys who questioned her, but ultimately, there was nothing to get from her - the perfect opposite case of crimey benedict donald and his co-conspirators.",
">\n\nIt's interesting to see that people think this subpoena would have continued to exist past Jan 3, 2023 given that that's when ALL open subpoenas from the outgoing congress expire and become null and void. Even if the J6 committee continued to exist- they would be required to file a brand new one in the new session.",
">\n\nIt wouldn't be that hard to file a brand new subpoena, they have lawyers who work full-time for them. That isn't an obstacle.",
">\n\nExcept for the committee doesn't exist in the new Congress and they have no powers to do anything if they don't exist.",
">\n\nIt's easy to get the two confused a lot of times.",
">\n\nHow many of y'all actually thought he wasn't going to run out the clock? \nNothing will fundamentally change.",
">\n\nNobody. The “justice takes time” chorus that dominated the narrative was only here to quell social unrest so society didn’t take a dive while the rich mocked us from their golden pedestals.",
">\n\nSerious question: Why? So what if the Dems lose power in the Congress. Let the Republicans be the one to formally dismantle the committee and subpoena on record. Then when hopefully Trump is charged by the DOJ, dems have another talking point for 2024 that the Republicans hate law and order and protect mob bosses.",
">\n\nThe select committee expires at the end of the congressional session. So they do not need to question him because the committee will not exist.",
">\n\nBut what is the point of formally withdrawing the subpoena? What does it accomplish?",
">\n\nThe committee is over. They have issued the report, they are closing up shop. They are following the process. A secondary part of the committees job was to show how a REAL congressional hearing should be handled. None of that sloppy ass grandstanding they did for Benghazi",
">\n\nMy viewpoint is that Trump and the GOP are just going to use this as “proof” that he did nothing wrong. Remember how the Mueller report “exonerated” Trump? His base believes this shit wholeheartedly and I guarantee he will use this as “evidence” for his innocence.\nShowing how things SHOULD be handled instead of taking whatever measures needed to protect Americans lead to Jan 6th happening in the first place. We all know how things should be handled, how the rules should work, but one side is willing to do whatever they need to keep power and the other is getting walked over.\nIs taking the high road worth letting fascism into our government?",
">\n\nIt’s good to know that republicans are allowed to ignore subpoenas. That’s useful info for them. Don’t expect dems to get that treatment",
">\n\nThey dropped the ball in not issuing one a couple of months ago",
">\n\nActually the Democrats have done everything not to ever pick up the ball even once. They let trump appointed republicans appoint a republican special counsel to fall like a straw man to blatant obstruction in the Russia probe. They turned it into a fundraiser for campaigning. \nThis time they let liz Cheney take the reins, who was able to preserve her republican prerogatives throughout this entire ordeal. \nThe fact is that you're all being cucked by forces of controlled opposition and I'm apparently the only one in the world who can't be so easily mitigated.\nI can't depend on any of you anymore than you can depend on yourselves.",
">\n\nYou lost all credibility at the end when you said cuck and act like you’re the smartest person in the world. Be gone!",
">\n\nYeah, I don't know how anyone can be expected to be taken seriously using that whole sentence unironically.",
">\n\nI don't expect to be taken seriously whether I say it or not, yet the facts remain as I've described.",
">\n\nI didn’t see that coming, said absolutely no one.",
">\n\nWhy.",
">\n\nHUGE mistake. The committee will be dissolved by the GOPers in a couple weeks, and all this did was to give the Marmalade Moses another fake victory to rile up his lemmings.",
">\n\nIt’s funny because I say the same thing every time about trump never getting charged and I always get shit about it like BUT NO THIS TIME IS DIFFERENT. \nLmao right. Sure it is.",
">\n\nFucking same. This is just more “ammo” for his orange, shit spewing mouth.",
">\n\nThis guy is still getting more media coverage than the current potus two years into his term. Crazy.",
">\n\nIt does blow that he wasn't forced to comply with the subpoena but for people thinking what a bummer this seems like, the house is switching to a republican majority in like a week so it didn't make a whole lot of sense to leave an active subpoena on record knowing it would never be resolved. They likely knew he wasn't going to comply when it was issued only now its offical that it was officially issued, ignored by trump, and terminated. Who knows if the DOJ will eventually file but everyone pretty much already knew that little temper tantrum trump wasn't going to aid in his own house sedition investigation.",
">\n\nIf we restrict ourselves to the issue of compliance with a subpoena from this committee, then the recent election clearly mooted every aspect of penalties or consequences related to ignoring the subpoena.\nIt's like a big brother was called over and little bro wanted him to force his adversary to bow and kiss the ground. But by the time big bro finally wanders over, the kid goes \"nah... we're good.\"\nA lot of folk like to believe contempt of court or contempt of congress is like any other crime where you do the deed and have to face the punishment. But, in general, these things do not work like crimes. Even where contempt has been codified such that there is a criminal contempt aspect, the goal remains to seek or to force compliance. This leads to \"punishments\" which are better or worse depending on how you view things. A simple view is that you could be \"sentenced\" to indefinite incarceration because it's a \"jailed until compliance\" thing.\nIn this case, Congress has been very, very reticent to try to use their inherent power to jail someone. So the most they ever do these days is refer the case to the DoJ to pursue criminal contempt of congress.\nAll in all, is this a \"good\" thing? Maybe it's not as bad as we feel it to be. Imagine any sort of argument where someone demands you do something. You retort \"are you sure?\" Bystanders urge folk cool down and think about it. Map that into the way Congress changes every two years and you get a sense that unless something is important enough that it remains after the public alters the composition of the legislative branch, maybe it's not all that important (to the public) after all.\nOn the other hand, why would anyone fear Congress when they demonstrate time and again there never really are any consequences for refusal to comply with subpoenas? But... do we want to quake in fear whenever some nutjob party gains control and enacts something as dire as the Committee on Unamerican Activities?",
">\n\nWhat is the advantage of dropping the subpoena, as opposed to just letting it expire/letting the new congress withdraw it? Why go on record saying he no longer has to come in? I get that he was never going to show, I’m just curious why this is better than the alternative.",
">\n\nI’m wondering this too. There has to be a good reason.",
">\n\n?? Why, like it had no power, but still why? This looks like weakness",
">\n\nThe subpoena expires when the new congress is sworn in on Jan 3rd. There was no practical way to enforce it.",
">\n\nWhy not just let it expire?\nNow Republicans have a talking point that the January 6th Committee withdrew their subpoena.\nThey'll use it to muddy the waters and spread more misinformation.",
">\n\nThey already had their talking points. They've had them the whole time. They already released a \"counter report\" to the J6 committee. The committee withdrew it because they are closing up shop. The report is out. Where would Donnie's answers go?",
">\n\nWhy was he not charged with contempt for no show? Once again, he gets let off for bad behaviour",
">\n\nBecause they referred him for 4 much more serious crimes with longer sentences. Referring him for this is essentially pointless.",
">\n\nYes, but i see it as another nail in the coffin, and also sends a message that subpoenas are not to be ignored",
">\n\nImagine if you or I tried to just ignore a subpoena.",
">\n\nIt’s OK if you’re a Republican, as the war criminal’s daughter who voted in line with Trump’s policies during her House tenure can attest.",
">\n\nAnother instance of unequal justice under the law, imo. If you or I disregarded a subpoena from Congress we'd be going to jail...like Steve Bannon.",
">\n\nDrag it out, do nothing, repeat. Glad the J6 group produced a ton of info and exposed a lot of the bs but what's the point of nothing really happens? Media circus? I'm so tired.",
">\n\nGreat precedent. It's good to know if I'm ever subpoenaed by congress I can just ignore it.",
">\n\nJ6 knew he'd puss out and just wanted to get it on the record. And for the same reason they haven't gone after Meadows for ignoring his subpoena, are all of the other serious crimes hanging over him and the orange Traitor in Chief, especially now, the subpoenas aren't worth the time and effort.",
">\n\n\nAnd for the same reason they haven't gone after Meadows for ignoring his subpoena\n\nTo be fair... the House voted him in criminal contempt and sent the referral to that to the DoJ. There wasn't really anything they could do beyond that with respect to his subpoena (yes, inherent contempt in theory exists, in practice it would have been useless for multiple reasons).\nMeadows is also included in the big criminal referrals the committee issued as part of their report as well.",
">\n\nAs usual, this country’s justice system is a joke",
">\n\nThis was a subpoena issued by the congress, not DOJ. He would be arrested if this was subpoena by DOJ and he didn’t show.",
">\n\nLike I said lol this country’s justice system is a joke",
">\n\nBut the justice system has not been involved yet!!! Congressional hearing is not an example of the justice system. The congress has referred the case to the DOJ or “the justice system” as a result of their hearing. DOJ will pursue a criminal investigation and pursue charges. \nJudiciary (justice system as you call it), congress, and executive branches are constitutionally separate and independent to ensure checks and balances.\nJustice system in the US is not ideal, but this specific instance is not an example of these inefficiencies. This is an example of how the congress has been ineffective in doing their legislative actions. In this instance the correct statement would be “Legislative system in this country is a joke.” Justice system has not had a chance to show its incompetence yet. That will be next.",
">\n\nNaive of you to think this is anything more than a show they’re putting on. Nothing will come of it, democrats are by nature pussies let’s be real. None have any teeth or claws. The right is full of a bunch of tribalistic monkeys, party is apparently more important than country. I guess I can rephrase, besides making money and being the best business in the world, America is a joke.",
">\n\n\"OMG. I'm so outraged by this even though I have no idea why.\"\nIt'd be nice if you guys learned the difference between the subpoena and the criminal referral. trump was never going to show up for the subpoena especially since the GOP is about to take control. It's a completely moot point.",
">\n\nExactly. The committee already referred him to the DoJ on criminal charges. Everyone is acting like they're just taking their ball and going home. They already went well and beyond a mere subpoena here, and one of the charges that they're recommending is obstruction already.",
">\n\nAren’t subpoenas mandatory with consequences? Either you show up or go to jail. Trump did neither.",
">\n\nNot if you are rich. Laws are you only for the the lower 90%",
">\n\nThis is such bullshit.",
">\n\nAnother precedent set for rich criminals to not comply. If we citizens didn’t show we’d be at a black site with electrodes on our genitals.",
">\n\nThey should have charged Trump with contempt of Congress.",
">\n\nSo whens the next uprising on behalf of rich people? Just be sure you're actually a political player because if you're just a worker you'll be charged. Chess has really changed over the past hundred years.",
">\n\nTotally expected. \nTrump, the really TV star, said he'd only agree to answer the subpoena if it were live & televised. It's quite obvious the reason is that he'd ignore the questioning & use the free air time to spew his BS, much like in the Presidential debates. \nAnd I'm sure the incoming Republican House would have loved to have given him the opportunity",
">\n\nyeah kinda moot at this point , they already made those criminal referrals anyways lol i wish they would have perused charging him for not showing up however but maybe they figured in light of everything they should focus on the key issues and at this point whatever he had to say really doesnt matter anyways as he would just lie. his testimony would pretty much be useless. its still a shame we didnt get to see it just for historys sake lol",
">\n\nAl trump would do is take the 5th like any other ordinary criminal",
">\n\nSo far as things have gone, will it now be ok for Democrats to ignore all the subpoenas that this next R House is going to send around? I’d think so….",
">\n\nOur government has failed us.... Good luck everyone.",
">\n\nAh yes the criminal Justice system, quite possibly the longest running joke in America",
">\n\n& you just know the cheeto will say something like, ha!, they dropped the subpoena cause they knew I am innocent, or some 💩 like that",
">\n\nNo surprise there. Trump is above the law, as he has proven time and again, over and over throughout the last several years. \nI will be surprised if anything comes out of this investigation, at all. \nI will be surprised if the next republican president isn't worse than Trump. \nI mean seriously, how do they convict him of anything if they can't even call him for questioning. Ever heard of anyone, ever, to get convicted of a crime that didn't have to talk to investigators at some point? \nFuck America. Fuck Trump. And fuck the pussy ass people who refuse to do their fucking job.",
">\n\nThey dropped it because it wasn't necessary and would have given him a national platform needlessly. DOJ will pass to the special council which will bring formal charges, if any will be brought.",
">\n\nThis is actually heartbreaking. Seen a lot of politicians and people of note show time and time again that the rules for EVERY CITIZEN don’t apply to them and this stings just a little more",
">\n\nMy theory that he is blackmailing everyone from the White House down with Area 51 malarky is still holding water...",
">\n\nLet us all start committing crimes and see how that goes, this is bs",
">\n\nSuch bs. I knew he would sleeze his way out of any consequences for his actions. This will only embolden him & his lunatic followers. He incites a riot that kills people & gets away with it. If any of us incited a riot, we would still be in jail & if people died during the riot, we would be charged with murder as well. So sick & tired of the double standard when it comes to a president who breaks the law & walks away, just like nixon did.",
">\n\nshould not have dropped\nshould have referred it to doj for contempt of congress...\nwhite rich continue to get a pass for what the rest of us would have long ago been prosecuted and imprisoned...",
">\n\nThey already referred him to DOJ for obstruction of a govt proceeding last week. What are you talking about?",
">\n\nYeah, because why would you want to subpoena the guy who was completely responsible for the entire thing?\nThe Chuck Schumer neoliberals have engineered this to completely let Trump get away with it - because they think the Republicans are still their friends and they don't want to piss them off!",
">\n\nThey subpoenaed trump months ago. He declined to show. Since, investigation is over, they dropped it. This is not even really news worthy.",
">\n\nHalf the people in this thread have no idea what they're talking about and are confusing the subpoena with the criminal referral.",
">\n\nOh, is that what's going on? Lol. I was wondering why ppl are making a big deal about this. This is just the committee cleaning up loose ends.",
">\n\nIt's a big deal if someone who's now a private citizen, can do wtf he wants and ignore a Congressional subpoena.",
">\n\nIt takes votes by congress to hold in contempt. They didn't need trump's testimony. He would just show up and repeat I plead the 5th anyway. Pence ignored his, too. It's pointless to hold them in contempt and get off focus of actual investigation.",
">\n\nYou're proving my point. Congressional Democrats should have enforced the subpoena and made Trump plead the 5th to every question. Imagine if Pence also appeared and pled the 5th to every question. That is political magic for the Democrats, it makes them look guilty as hell.\nTrump committed a crime, and this is America. It should be the same as if I committed a crime. We would get arrested, taken to jail until the morning, see a judge and face our charges, and then either get released on OR, held for trial, or bail set. It's not much of a democracy if laws are not enforced against powerful people.",
">\n\nOnce you all realize this is just a game and you’re the pawn things will make a lot more sense.",
">\n\nNow hear him cry about never getting a chance to testify when he’s charged.",
">\n\nI see this less as a “you’re excused” and more of a “see you in court”",
">\n\nNo need to bother with it when they've already finished their work. The only thing that testimony would have accomplished would have been getting Trump to look bad on national television, and a potential perjury charge. Trump already has embarrassed himself in public in a massive way since then, and they have bigger crimes to recommend to the DOJ for prosecution.",
">\n\nThe moment they announced the subpoena everyone got a hard on that trump would have to talk. I said it then and I’ll say it again, trump will never have to face any punishment and he doesn’t have to comply to any law or rules. They’re all more suggestions instead of laws.",
">\n\nWhat a waste of fucking time",
">\n\nSo......this was a big fat waste of time and money?",
">\n\nI mean they made a criminal referral so, no? The committee wasn’t set up to solely investigate Dolt 45 and took the testimony of over a thousand people, why is it you believe withdrawing one subpoena because the committee is winding down renders the entire process a “waste of time and money.”",
">\n\nNo mention on CNN that they dropped the subpoena after a year of January 6 January 6 January 6 terrible news station",
">\n\nWell, it’s being run by a Republican so go figure",
">\n\nTalk about the wheels of justice turning slow. In this case reversing altogether. Well done.",
">\n\nI wish this surprised me.",
">\n\nLOL God this is so funny\nWhat the fuck did y'all expect if you have money you are above the law. It only applies to the poor and those who step on the toes of capital.",
">\n\nWhat a waste of money",
">\n\n...And a Happy New Year!",
">\n\nClassic",
">\n\nShocking",
">\n\nOur governing body are a bunch of cowards. The US is being safeguarded by self-interested Congresspersons who speak about accountability and act on cowardice.",
">\n\nLet's be honest he'll get away with everything with a slap on the wrist. This country won't prosecute a sitting or former president or high ranking politician, we've seen this over and over. The whole committee is sadly a publicity stunt to gain traction for Democrat's. I hope I'm completely wrong of course and that this country will start to feel like it's a democracy.",
">\n\nThe coup is in effect.",
">\n\nI have a sad feeling this committee is going to end up like a fart in the wind",
">\n\nYou’re not wrong",
">\n\nWtf are you talking about?",
">\n\nHands",
">\n\nWho are you talking to? Lmao",
">\n\nWent out with a whimper. The most Democrat thing ever.\nWish the Dems would learn how to take the gloves off, at least they would have a shot against an opponent that has no problems filling their gloves with lead shot. Then bragging about it.",
">\n\nThe subpoena, and associated contempt charges would be nothing when compared to the recommendations made by the committee to the DOJ. Whether or not the DOJ will act is all that matters at this point.",
">\n\nPathetic pieces of shit",
">\n\nAll theatre, all the time. Seems like by now, to most people, that somehow being trolled by their favorite elected might be possible.",
">\n\nSo wait, he just gets away with everything? Just like that?\nWhat about all the articles saying that Trump will most likely spend the rest of his life in prison?",
">\n\nThe subpoena has nothing to do with the recommendations made by the committee to the DOJ. The ball is in the DOJ’s court. The subpoena doesn’t impact anything. Absurd that he didn’t get held in contempt, but that is more of a distraction than anything.",
">\n\nI see. Thanks for explaining!",
">\n\nCan anyone explain why he was not arrested for not responding to the subpoena? I thought you had to respond to these?",
">\n\nFirst they would have had to vote for contempt. Then they would need to issue a referral to DOJ, then DOJ would need to consider it. That is not happening in a week before the new congress is sworn in an this committee expires. They have issued their report and no longer need to speak to him. That is why it was withdrawn. Their job is done.",
">\n\nSubpoenas are real, or they’re not.\nIn the real world if any person defied or ignored a subpoena they would be arrested immediately.\nWhy are some Americans allowed to break the law in broad daylight.",
">\n\nWhy is the DOJ dragging its feet in charging anyone?",
">\n\nDOJ has charged over 700 people out of January 6 and they continue to charge cases. Most of these cases took months if not years to come to fruition.\nAt the end of the day DOJ has no obligation to act on any of the committee’s referrals, although I believe they already have ongoing investigations as to several of the subjects. If anything new comes out of the committee’s work it’s unlikely to happen soon.",
">\n\nThe US is beyond broken. The wealthy can do whatever they want while we are the only ones who face consequences. I can’t wait to leave this shithole again. I won’t be making the mistake of coming back like I did last year.",
">\n\nSuch a farce",
">\n\nBut he wanted to appear!!",
">\n\nThe walls are closing in.",
">\n\nOk, people. Quit guilt-edging and go home.",
">\n\nWait so what is Trump a dastardly super villain who keeps getting away or a dumb oaf. You guys just can't decide."
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"So far Trump's legal strategy of ignoring calls for accountability until Republicans in Congress can bail him out is workingly flawlessly.",
">\n\nThat doesn’t mean the DoJ can’t charge and prosecute. \nRight now everything is in response to republicans getting their slim majority in the house and lessen the damage they will do.\nThat said, they still have the mountain of evidence they did gather",
">\n\nWhat about when the AG/DOJ is a GOP appointee? You don’t think they’ll just put in a Bill Barr type on the entire thing?",
">\n\nNot while they have a democratic president and especially when the previous president lost them the midterms.\nThey were already planning on replacing trump with Desantes by equating the 2 (Martha’s Vineyard was part of that), they’re only gonna lose trying to put their party’s future on the line protect him further.\nThey gonna continue to spread doubt and try to discredit the investigations, but they’re barely holding onto a branch of government, they’re not stupid. Barr only worked because they held onto 2",
">\n\nUmmm that’s not what I meant. If a GOP candidate for President wins in 2024 , what are the actual legal implications. It’s not like it’s below them to interfere like they did with the collusion charges",
">\n\n\nThe House January 6 committee is withdrawing its subpoena of former President Donald Trump as it concludes its work.\n“In light of the imminent end of our investigation, the Select Committee can no longer pursue the specific information covered by the subpoena,” Chairman Bennie Thompson, a Mississippi Democrat, wrote in a letter to Trump’s attorney Wednesday obtained by CNN.\n“Therefore, through this letter, I hereby formally withdraw the subpoena issued to former President Trump, and notify you that he is no longer obligated to comply or produce records in response to said subpoena,” Thompson added.",
">\n\nConclusion: Former president Trump is above the law.",
">\n\nYeah kind of makes me sad. Trump can just ignore a subpoena, with zero consequences. \n“We believe you tried to overthrow the government. You are legally required to come talk to us about it.”\n“No thanks.”\n“Oh. Ok, never mind.”",
">\n\nNo consequences? He's has been referred to the DOJ for obstruction of a govt processing last week. They held a recorded vote.",
">\n\nThat’s not a consequence. It’s kicking the can. Trump will never, ever be held responsible for his role in destroying democracy in America.",
">\n\nThis is not TV or a movie. \"The wheels of justice grind slowly yet exceedingly fine\" is a saying for a reason. Federal investigations usually take years.",
">\n\nHe’s been investigated for years. No consequences. Just special appointments, investigations, and referrals. In the mean time, you know who DOES face consequences?\nAmerica.",
">\n\nYou are judging the end of the movie before it is over.\nThe previous investigations were being done while he had the shield of the presidency and an attorney general running obstruction for him. None of that is true now.",
">\n\nThe GOP will continue fighting on his behalf, because the majority are complicit in 45’s fuckery. Again, no consequences will be had. I’m willing to wager a gift card to your favorite local restaurant that he will live fat, rich, and free until at least the 2024/25 inauguration. Save this post.",
">\n\nWe'll see about that. I'll admit to the loss if thats the case.",
">\n\nMore proof that we the people have no rights in comparison to the billionaire ticks.",
">\n\nDude ain't no billionaire",
">\n\nNo, but his buddies are.",
">\n\nHis puppet masters maybe",
">\n\nI mean, who would have thought not starting the fight sooner would end like this?",
">\n\nDon’t worry. He’s got so many more coming.",
">\n\nThe idea that Trump will pay any price for his crimes is a fantasy.",
">\n\nIt’s actually happening. His company has been found guilty. His charity is closed. His cohorts are about to go to jail. His popularity sagging. Protection is gone. We just need the first indictment.",
">\n\nBut none is him",
">\n\nWell Trump Org is pretty much him but be patient.",
">\n\nDrops in the bucket. \nBeen patient for like 6 years now. How much more we gotta wait?",
">\n\nHe couldn’t be prosecuted while president. Watch GA and the special prosecutor. They’re moving fast.",
">\n\nCouldn't be?\nShould have been.",
">\n\nThat’s absolutely wild that any man is able to just straight up ignore a subpoena with zero consequences. Definition of “above the law”. If he gets away with this, he is going to be more dangerous than ever. You get away with leading a coup/insurrection, you’re going to assume you can get away with literally anything. \nMaybe trump was right… he really could shoot someone in the middle of 5th avenue and not lose any voters…and also probably not even get in trouble",
">\n\nSerious questions...so the committee pull the subpoena, but it's up to DOJ for any additional follow up, but when the new congress is in session they can tell DOJ to drop everything? Is that how's its going to go down? Because I thought DOJ is supposed to be independent once given the committee's findings?",
">\n\nThe DOJ is certainly independent of Congress. As for the committee - the only thing they would've done differently was vote on a criminal referral for contempt of Congress. Although there is some truth to congressional contempt needing to stem from congress, The DOJ has no obligation to act on a referral - it is more akin to a recommendation.\nWith that being said, the committee knew it wasn't going to serve any real benefit, so they decided not to.\n\nThe DOJ decided not to prosecute Meadows and Scavino for contempt due to their close ties to the executive. This pretty much ruled out any chance of it happening to Trump, a former President. \nEven a completely successful referral (Steve Bannon) showed how inconsequential Congressional subpoena power is. For one, it is a misdemeanor. It has been ~15 months since Bannon was referred, and he was found guilty and sentenced, and he is still a free man pending appeal. And even if upheld, it's only 4 months in prison as just shy of maximum sentencing guidelines. \nThe DOJ, if they prosecute, are aiming at much bigger crimes - notably Obstruction of an Official Proceeding, which carries up to 20 years. And they'd be potentially trying these crimes in the same jurisdiction.\n\nSo I'm sure the calculation was that it just wasn't worth throwing a referral at the DOJ for something they'd never follow up on, and wouldn't be much benefit if they did.",
">\n\nIn summary, he’s committed so many crimes that this one isn’t worth any effort",
">\n\nEssentially, yeah. The DOJ has two big chances to secure a conviction: Mar-A-Lago and Jan. 6 - and they will likely bring multiple charges in a D.C. court if they decide to prosecute. Mar-A-Lago will come first, which has virtually nothing to do with this committee's work.\nReferring a misdemeanor to tack onto 4 serious felonies they referred probably only risked muddying the larger offenses. Can't blame them honestly.",
">\n\nWhat is “Mar a Lago” in this context! The tax scheme? Classified documents?",
">\n\nThe classified documents",
">\n\nSmall point but they weren't all classified and don't need to be, for what he did to be illegal. Just trying to avoid republican framing.",
">\n\nHillary was not afraid to testify every time she was asked (and testified for hours and hours each time, answering all questions asked) and never took the 5th. Yet republicans act like she is the criminal when it always has been trump.",
">\n\nEven if she was wrong she was smarter than any of the R in the room. That woman was a machine during those hearings and gave them nothing to work with.",
">\n\nShe is definitely smarter than that barrel of monkeys who questioned her, but ultimately, there was nothing to get from her - the perfect opposite case of crimey benedict donald and his co-conspirators.",
">\n\nIt's interesting to see that people think this subpoena would have continued to exist past Jan 3, 2023 given that that's when ALL open subpoenas from the outgoing congress expire and become null and void. Even if the J6 committee continued to exist- they would be required to file a brand new one in the new session.",
">\n\nIt wouldn't be that hard to file a brand new subpoena, they have lawyers who work full-time for them. That isn't an obstacle.",
">\n\nExcept for the committee doesn't exist in the new Congress and they have no powers to do anything if they don't exist.",
">\n\nIt's easy to get the two confused a lot of times.",
">\n\nHow many of y'all actually thought he wasn't going to run out the clock? \nNothing will fundamentally change.",
">\n\nNobody. The “justice takes time” chorus that dominated the narrative was only here to quell social unrest so society didn’t take a dive while the rich mocked us from their golden pedestals.",
">\n\nSerious question: Why? So what if the Dems lose power in the Congress. Let the Republicans be the one to formally dismantle the committee and subpoena on record. Then when hopefully Trump is charged by the DOJ, dems have another talking point for 2024 that the Republicans hate law and order and protect mob bosses.",
">\n\nThe select committee expires at the end of the congressional session. So they do not need to question him because the committee will not exist.",
">\n\nBut what is the point of formally withdrawing the subpoena? What does it accomplish?",
">\n\nThe committee is over. They have issued the report, they are closing up shop. They are following the process. A secondary part of the committees job was to show how a REAL congressional hearing should be handled. None of that sloppy ass grandstanding they did for Benghazi",
">\n\nMy viewpoint is that Trump and the GOP are just going to use this as “proof” that he did nothing wrong. Remember how the Mueller report “exonerated” Trump? His base believes this shit wholeheartedly and I guarantee he will use this as “evidence” for his innocence.\nShowing how things SHOULD be handled instead of taking whatever measures needed to protect Americans lead to Jan 6th happening in the first place. We all know how things should be handled, how the rules should work, but one side is willing to do whatever they need to keep power and the other is getting walked over.\nIs taking the high road worth letting fascism into our government?",
">\n\nIt’s good to know that republicans are allowed to ignore subpoenas. That’s useful info for them. Don’t expect dems to get that treatment",
">\n\nThey dropped the ball in not issuing one a couple of months ago",
">\n\nActually the Democrats have done everything not to ever pick up the ball even once. They let trump appointed republicans appoint a republican special counsel to fall like a straw man to blatant obstruction in the Russia probe. They turned it into a fundraiser for campaigning. \nThis time they let liz Cheney take the reins, who was able to preserve her republican prerogatives throughout this entire ordeal. \nThe fact is that you're all being cucked by forces of controlled opposition and I'm apparently the only one in the world who can't be so easily mitigated.\nI can't depend on any of you anymore than you can depend on yourselves.",
">\n\nYou lost all credibility at the end when you said cuck and act like you’re the smartest person in the world. Be gone!",
">\n\nYeah, I don't know how anyone can be expected to be taken seriously using that whole sentence unironically.",
">\n\nI don't expect to be taken seriously whether I say it or not, yet the facts remain as I've described.",
">\n\nI didn’t see that coming, said absolutely no one.",
">\n\nWhy.",
">\n\nHUGE mistake. The committee will be dissolved by the GOPers in a couple weeks, and all this did was to give the Marmalade Moses another fake victory to rile up his lemmings.",
">\n\nIt’s funny because I say the same thing every time about trump never getting charged and I always get shit about it like BUT NO THIS TIME IS DIFFERENT. \nLmao right. Sure it is.",
">\n\nFucking same. This is just more “ammo” for his orange, shit spewing mouth.",
">\n\nThis guy is still getting more media coverage than the current potus two years into his term. Crazy.",
">\n\nIt does blow that he wasn't forced to comply with the subpoena but for people thinking what a bummer this seems like, the house is switching to a republican majority in like a week so it didn't make a whole lot of sense to leave an active subpoena on record knowing it would never be resolved. They likely knew he wasn't going to comply when it was issued only now its offical that it was officially issued, ignored by trump, and terminated. Who knows if the DOJ will eventually file but everyone pretty much already knew that little temper tantrum trump wasn't going to aid in his own house sedition investigation.",
">\n\nIf we restrict ourselves to the issue of compliance with a subpoena from this committee, then the recent election clearly mooted every aspect of penalties or consequences related to ignoring the subpoena.\nIt's like a big brother was called over and little bro wanted him to force his adversary to bow and kiss the ground. But by the time big bro finally wanders over, the kid goes \"nah... we're good.\"\nA lot of folk like to believe contempt of court or contempt of congress is like any other crime where you do the deed and have to face the punishment. But, in general, these things do not work like crimes. Even where contempt has been codified such that there is a criminal contempt aspect, the goal remains to seek or to force compliance. This leads to \"punishments\" which are better or worse depending on how you view things. A simple view is that you could be \"sentenced\" to indefinite incarceration because it's a \"jailed until compliance\" thing.\nIn this case, Congress has been very, very reticent to try to use their inherent power to jail someone. So the most they ever do these days is refer the case to the DoJ to pursue criminal contempt of congress.\nAll in all, is this a \"good\" thing? Maybe it's not as bad as we feel it to be. Imagine any sort of argument where someone demands you do something. You retort \"are you sure?\" Bystanders urge folk cool down and think about it. Map that into the way Congress changes every two years and you get a sense that unless something is important enough that it remains after the public alters the composition of the legislative branch, maybe it's not all that important (to the public) after all.\nOn the other hand, why would anyone fear Congress when they demonstrate time and again there never really are any consequences for refusal to comply with subpoenas? But... do we want to quake in fear whenever some nutjob party gains control and enacts something as dire as the Committee on Unamerican Activities?",
">\n\nWhat is the advantage of dropping the subpoena, as opposed to just letting it expire/letting the new congress withdraw it? Why go on record saying he no longer has to come in? I get that he was never going to show, I’m just curious why this is better than the alternative.",
">\n\nI’m wondering this too. There has to be a good reason.",
">\n\n?? Why, like it had no power, but still why? This looks like weakness",
">\n\nThe subpoena expires when the new congress is sworn in on Jan 3rd. There was no practical way to enforce it.",
">\n\nWhy not just let it expire?\nNow Republicans have a talking point that the January 6th Committee withdrew their subpoena.\nThey'll use it to muddy the waters and spread more misinformation.",
">\n\nThey already had their talking points. They've had them the whole time. They already released a \"counter report\" to the J6 committee. The committee withdrew it because they are closing up shop. The report is out. Where would Donnie's answers go?",
">\n\nWhy was he not charged with contempt for no show? Once again, he gets let off for bad behaviour",
">\n\nBecause they referred him for 4 much more serious crimes with longer sentences. Referring him for this is essentially pointless.",
">\n\nYes, but i see it as another nail in the coffin, and also sends a message that subpoenas are not to be ignored",
">\n\nImagine if you or I tried to just ignore a subpoena.",
">\n\nIt’s OK if you’re a Republican, as the war criminal’s daughter who voted in line with Trump’s policies during her House tenure can attest.",
">\n\nAnother instance of unequal justice under the law, imo. If you or I disregarded a subpoena from Congress we'd be going to jail...like Steve Bannon.",
">\n\nDrag it out, do nothing, repeat. Glad the J6 group produced a ton of info and exposed a lot of the bs but what's the point of nothing really happens? Media circus? I'm so tired.",
">\n\nGreat precedent. It's good to know if I'm ever subpoenaed by congress I can just ignore it.",
">\n\nJ6 knew he'd puss out and just wanted to get it on the record. And for the same reason they haven't gone after Meadows for ignoring his subpoena, are all of the other serious crimes hanging over him and the orange Traitor in Chief, especially now, the subpoenas aren't worth the time and effort.",
">\n\n\nAnd for the same reason they haven't gone after Meadows for ignoring his subpoena\n\nTo be fair... the House voted him in criminal contempt and sent the referral to that to the DoJ. There wasn't really anything they could do beyond that with respect to his subpoena (yes, inherent contempt in theory exists, in practice it would have been useless for multiple reasons).\nMeadows is also included in the big criminal referrals the committee issued as part of their report as well.",
">\n\nAs usual, this country’s justice system is a joke",
">\n\nThis was a subpoena issued by the congress, not DOJ. He would be arrested if this was subpoena by DOJ and he didn’t show.",
">\n\nLike I said lol this country’s justice system is a joke",
">\n\nBut the justice system has not been involved yet!!! Congressional hearing is not an example of the justice system. The congress has referred the case to the DOJ or “the justice system” as a result of their hearing. DOJ will pursue a criminal investigation and pursue charges. \nJudiciary (justice system as you call it), congress, and executive branches are constitutionally separate and independent to ensure checks and balances.\nJustice system in the US is not ideal, but this specific instance is not an example of these inefficiencies. This is an example of how the congress has been ineffective in doing their legislative actions. In this instance the correct statement would be “Legislative system in this country is a joke.” Justice system has not had a chance to show its incompetence yet. That will be next.",
">\n\nNaive of you to think this is anything more than a show they’re putting on. Nothing will come of it, democrats are by nature pussies let’s be real. None have any teeth or claws. The right is full of a bunch of tribalistic monkeys, party is apparently more important than country. I guess I can rephrase, besides making money and being the best business in the world, America is a joke.",
">\n\n\"OMG. I'm so outraged by this even though I have no idea why.\"\nIt'd be nice if you guys learned the difference between the subpoena and the criminal referral. trump was never going to show up for the subpoena especially since the GOP is about to take control. It's a completely moot point.",
">\n\nExactly. The committee already referred him to the DoJ on criminal charges. Everyone is acting like they're just taking their ball and going home. They already went well and beyond a mere subpoena here, and one of the charges that they're recommending is obstruction already.",
">\n\nAren’t subpoenas mandatory with consequences? Either you show up or go to jail. Trump did neither.",
">\n\nNot if you are rich. Laws are you only for the the lower 90%",
">\n\nThis is such bullshit.",
">\n\nAnother precedent set for rich criminals to not comply. If we citizens didn’t show we’d be at a black site with electrodes on our genitals.",
">\n\nThey should have charged Trump with contempt of Congress.",
">\n\nSo whens the next uprising on behalf of rich people? Just be sure you're actually a political player because if you're just a worker you'll be charged. Chess has really changed over the past hundred years.",
">\n\nTotally expected. \nTrump, the really TV star, said he'd only agree to answer the subpoena if it were live & televised. It's quite obvious the reason is that he'd ignore the questioning & use the free air time to spew his BS, much like in the Presidential debates. \nAnd I'm sure the incoming Republican House would have loved to have given him the opportunity",
">\n\nyeah kinda moot at this point , they already made those criminal referrals anyways lol i wish they would have perused charging him for not showing up however but maybe they figured in light of everything they should focus on the key issues and at this point whatever he had to say really doesnt matter anyways as he would just lie. his testimony would pretty much be useless. its still a shame we didnt get to see it just for historys sake lol",
">\n\nAl trump would do is take the 5th like any other ordinary criminal",
">\n\nSo far as things have gone, will it now be ok for Democrats to ignore all the subpoenas that this next R House is going to send around? I’d think so….",
">\n\nOur government has failed us.... Good luck everyone.",
">\n\nAh yes the criminal Justice system, quite possibly the longest running joke in America",
">\n\n& you just know the cheeto will say something like, ha!, they dropped the subpoena cause they knew I am innocent, or some 💩 like that",
">\n\nNo surprise there. Trump is above the law, as he has proven time and again, over and over throughout the last several years. \nI will be surprised if anything comes out of this investigation, at all. \nI will be surprised if the next republican president isn't worse than Trump. \nI mean seriously, how do they convict him of anything if they can't even call him for questioning. Ever heard of anyone, ever, to get convicted of a crime that didn't have to talk to investigators at some point? \nFuck America. Fuck Trump. And fuck the pussy ass people who refuse to do their fucking job.",
">\n\nThey dropped it because it wasn't necessary and would have given him a national platform needlessly. DOJ will pass to the special council which will bring formal charges, if any will be brought.",
">\n\nThis is actually heartbreaking. Seen a lot of politicians and people of note show time and time again that the rules for EVERY CITIZEN don’t apply to them and this stings just a little more",
">\n\nMy theory that he is blackmailing everyone from the White House down with Area 51 malarky is still holding water...",
">\n\nLet us all start committing crimes and see how that goes, this is bs",
">\n\nSuch bs. I knew he would sleeze his way out of any consequences for his actions. This will only embolden him & his lunatic followers. He incites a riot that kills people & gets away with it. If any of us incited a riot, we would still be in jail & if people died during the riot, we would be charged with murder as well. So sick & tired of the double standard when it comes to a president who breaks the law & walks away, just like nixon did.",
">\n\nshould not have dropped\nshould have referred it to doj for contempt of congress...\nwhite rich continue to get a pass for what the rest of us would have long ago been prosecuted and imprisoned...",
">\n\nThey already referred him to DOJ for obstruction of a govt proceeding last week. What are you talking about?",
">\n\nYeah, because why would you want to subpoena the guy who was completely responsible for the entire thing?\nThe Chuck Schumer neoliberals have engineered this to completely let Trump get away with it - because they think the Republicans are still their friends and they don't want to piss them off!",
">\n\nThey subpoenaed trump months ago. He declined to show. Since, investigation is over, they dropped it. This is not even really news worthy.",
">\n\nHalf the people in this thread have no idea what they're talking about and are confusing the subpoena with the criminal referral.",
">\n\nOh, is that what's going on? Lol. I was wondering why ppl are making a big deal about this. This is just the committee cleaning up loose ends.",
">\n\nIt's a big deal if someone who's now a private citizen, can do wtf he wants and ignore a Congressional subpoena.",
">\n\nIt takes votes by congress to hold in contempt. They didn't need trump's testimony. He would just show up and repeat I plead the 5th anyway. Pence ignored his, too. It's pointless to hold them in contempt and get off focus of actual investigation.",
">\n\nYou're proving my point. Congressional Democrats should have enforced the subpoena and made Trump plead the 5th to every question. Imagine if Pence also appeared and pled the 5th to every question. That is political magic for the Democrats, it makes them look guilty as hell.\nTrump committed a crime, and this is America. It should be the same as if I committed a crime. We would get arrested, taken to jail until the morning, see a judge and face our charges, and then either get released on OR, held for trial, or bail set. It's not much of a democracy if laws are not enforced against powerful people.",
">\n\nOnce you all realize this is just a game and you’re the pawn things will make a lot more sense.",
">\n\nNow hear him cry about never getting a chance to testify when he’s charged.",
">\n\nI see this less as a “you’re excused” and more of a “see you in court”",
">\n\nNo need to bother with it when they've already finished their work. The only thing that testimony would have accomplished would have been getting Trump to look bad on national television, and a potential perjury charge. Trump already has embarrassed himself in public in a massive way since then, and they have bigger crimes to recommend to the DOJ for prosecution.",
">\n\nThe moment they announced the subpoena everyone got a hard on that trump would have to talk. I said it then and I’ll say it again, trump will never have to face any punishment and he doesn’t have to comply to any law or rules. They’re all more suggestions instead of laws.",
">\n\nWhat a waste of fucking time",
">\n\nSo......this was a big fat waste of time and money?",
">\n\nI mean they made a criminal referral so, no? The committee wasn’t set up to solely investigate Dolt 45 and took the testimony of over a thousand people, why is it you believe withdrawing one subpoena because the committee is winding down renders the entire process a “waste of time and money.”",
">\n\nNo mention on CNN that they dropped the subpoena after a year of January 6 January 6 January 6 terrible news station",
">\n\nWell, it’s being run by a Republican so go figure",
">\n\nTalk about the wheels of justice turning slow. In this case reversing altogether. Well done.",
">\n\nI wish this surprised me.",
">\n\nLOL God this is so funny\nWhat the fuck did y'all expect if you have money you are above the law. It only applies to the poor and those who step on the toes of capital.",
">\n\nWhat a waste of money",
">\n\n...And a Happy New Year!",
">\n\nClassic",
">\n\nShocking",
">\n\nOur governing body are a bunch of cowards. The US is being safeguarded by self-interested Congresspersons who speak about accountability and act on cowardice.",
">\n\nLet's be honest he'll get away with everything with a slap on the wrist. This country won't prosecute a sitting or former president or high ranking politician, we've seen this over and over. The whole committee is sadly a publicity stunt to gain traction for Democrat's. I hope I'm completely wrong of course and that this country will start to feel like it's a democracy.",
">\n\nThe coup is in effect.",
">\n\nI have a sad feeling this committee is going to end up like a fart in the wind",
">\n\nYou’re not wrong",
">\n\nWtf are you talking about?",
">\n\nHands",
">\n\nWho are you talking to? Lmao",
">\n\nWent out with a whimper. The most Democrat thing ever.\nWish the Dems would learn how to take the gloves off, at least they would have a shot against an opponent that has no problems filling their gloves with lead shot. Then bragging about it.",
">\n\nThe subpoena, and associated contempt charges would be nothing when compared to the recommendations made by the committee to the DOJ. Whether or not the DOJ will act is all that matters at this point.",
">\n\nPathetic pieces of shit",
">\n\nAll theatre, all the time. Seems like by now, to most people, that somehow being trolled by their favorite elected might be possible.",
">\n\nSo wait, he just gets away with everything? Just like that?\nWhat about all the articles saying that Trump will most likely spend the rest of his life in prison?",
">\n\nThe subpoena has nothing to do with the recommendations made by the committee to the DOJ. The ball is in the DOJ’s court. The subpoena doesn’t impact anything. Absurd that he didn’t get held in contempt, but that is more of a distraction than anything.",
">\n\nI see. Thanks for explaining!",
">\n\nCan anyone explain why he was not arrested for not responding to the subpoena? I thought you had to respond to these?",
">\n\nFirst they would have had to vote for contempt. Then they would need to issue a referral to DOJ, then DOJ would need to consider it. That is not happening in a week before the new congress is sworn in an this committee expires. They have issued their report and no longer need to speak to him. That is why it was withdrawn. Their job is done.",
">\n\nSubpoenas are real, or they’re not.\nIn the real world if any person defied or ignored a subpoena they would be arrested immediately.\nWhy are some Americans allowed to break the law in broad daylight.",
">\n\nWhy is the DOJ dragging its feet in charging anyone?",
">\n\nDOJ has charged over 700 people out of January 6 and they continue to charge cases. Most of these cases took months if not years to come to fruition.\nAt the end of the day DOJ has no obligation to act on any of the committee’s referrals, although I believe they already have ongoing investigations as to several of the subjects. If anything new comes out of the committee’s work it’s unlikely to happen soon.",
">\n\nThe US is beyond broken. The wealthy can do whatever they want while we are the only ones who face consequences. I can’t wait to leave this shithole again. I won’t be making the mistake of coming back like I did last year.",
">\n\nSuch a farce",
">\n\nBut he wanted to appear!!",
">\n\nThe walls are closing in.",
">\n\nOk, people. Quit guilt-edging and go home.",
">\n\nWait so what is Trump a dastardly super villain who keeps getting away or a dumb oaf. You guys just can't decide.",
">\n\nI can’t wait until nothing happens!\nHas it happened yet?"
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Does this not set some sort of precedence? If I now get subpoenaed for something can I not just point to Trump/Barr/Holder and say “no thank you”?
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"So far Trump's legal strategy of ignoring calls for accountability until Republicans in Congress can bail him out is workingly flawlessly.",
">\n\nThat doesn’t mean the DoJ can’t charge and prosecute. \nRight now everything is in response to republicans getting their slim majority in the house and lessen the damage they will do.\nThat said, they still have the mountain of evidence they did gather",
">\n\nWhat about when the AG/DOJ is a GOP appointee? You don’t think they’ll just put in a Bill Barr type on the entire thing?",
">\n\nNot while they have a democratic president and especially when the previous president lost them the midterms.\nThey were already planning on replacing trump with Desantes by equating the 2 (Martha’s Vineyard was part of that), they’re only gonna lose trying to put their party’s future on the line protect him further.\nThey gonna continue to spread doubt and try to discredit the investigations, but they’re barely holding onto a branch of government, they’re not stupid. Barr only worked because they held onto 2",
">\n\nUmmm that’s not what I meant. If a GOP candidate for President wins in 2024 , what are the actual legal implications. It’s not like it’s below them to interfere like they did with the collusion charges",
">\n\n\nThe House January 6 committee is withdrawing its subpoena of former President Donald Trump as it concludes its work.\n“In light of the imminent end of our investigation, the Select Committee can no longer pursue the specific information covered by the subpoena,” Chairman Bennie Thompson, a Mississippi Democrat, wrote in a letter to Trump’s attorney Wednesday obtained by CNN.\n“Therefore, through this letter, I hereby formally withdraw the subpoena issued to former President Trump, and notify you that he is no longer obligated to comply or produce records in response to said subpoena,” Thompson added.",
">\n\nConclusion: Former president Trump is above the law.",
">\n\nYeah kind of makes me sad. Trump can just ignore a subpoena, with zero consequences. \n“We believe you tried to overthrow the government. You are legally required to come talk to us about it.”\n“No thanks.”\n“Oh. Ok, never mind.”",
">\n\nNo consequences? He's has been referred to the DOJ for obstruction of a govt processing last week. They held a recorded vote.",
">\n\nThat’s not a consequence. It’s kicking the can. Trump will never, ever be held responsible for his role in destroying democracy in America.",
">\n\nThis is not TV or a movie. \"The wheels of justice grind slowly yet exceedingly fine\" is a saying for a reason. Federal investigations usually take years.",
">\n\nHe’s been investigated for years. No consequences. Just special appointments, investigations, and referrals. In the mean time, you know who DOES face consequences?\nAmerica.",
">\n\nYou are judging the end of the movie before it is over.\nThe previous investigations were being done while he had the shield of the presidency and an attorney general running obstruction for him. None of that is true now.",
">\n\nThe GOP will continue fighting on his behalf, because the majority are complicit in 45’s fuckery. Again, no consequences will be had. I’m willing to wager a gift card to your favorite local restaurant that he will live fat, rich, and free until at least the 2024/25 inauguration. Save this post.",
">\n\nWe'll see about that. I'll admit to the loss if thats the case.",
">\n\nMore proof that we the people have no rights in comparison to the billionaire ticks.",
">\n\nDude ain't no billionaire",
">\n\nNo, but his buddies are.",
">\n\nHis puppet masters maybe",
">\n\nI mean, who would have thought not starting the fight sooner would end like this?",
">\n\nDon’t worry. He’s got so many more coming.",
">\n\nThe idea that Trump will pay any price for his crimes is a fantasy.",
">\n\nIt’s actually happening. His company has been found guilty. His charity is closed. His cohorts are about to go to jail. His popularity sagging. Protection is gone. We just need the first indictment.",
">\n\nBut none is him",
">\n\nWell Trump Org is pretty much him but be patient.",
">\n\nDrops in the bucket. \nBeen patient for like 6 years now. How much more we gotta wait?",
">\n\nHe couldn’t be prosecuted while president. Watch GA and the special prosecutor. They’re moving fast.",
">\n\nCouldn't be?\nShould have been.",
">\n\nThat’s absolutely wild that any man is able to just straight up ignore a subpoena with zero consequences. Definition of “above the law”. If he gets away with this, he is going to be more dangerous than ever. You get away with leading a coup/insurrection, you’re going to assume you can get away with literally anything. \nMaybe trump was right… he really could shoot someone in the middle of 5th avenue and not lose any voters…and also probably not even get in trouble",
">\n\nSerious questions...so the committee pull the subpoena, but it's up to DOJ for any additional follow up, but when the new congress is in session they can tell DOJ to drop everything? Is that how's its going to go down? Because I thought DOJ is supposed to be independent once given the committee's findings?",
">\n\nThe DOJ is certainly independent of Congress. As for the committee - the only thing they would've done differently was vote on a criminal referral for contempt of Congress. Although there is some truth to congressional contempt needing to stem from congress, The DOJ has no obligation to act on a referral - it is more akin to a recommendation.\nWith that being said, the committee knew it wasn't going to serve any real benefit, so they decided not to.\n\nThe DOJ decided not to prosecute Meadows and Scavino for contempt due to their close ties to the executive. This pretty much ruled out any chance of it happening to Trump, a former President. \nEven a completely successful referral (Steve Bannon) showed how inconsequential Congressional subpoena power is. For one, it is a misdemeanor. It has been ~15 months since Bannon was referred, and he was found guilty and sentenced, and he is still a free man pending appeal. And even if upheld, it's only 4 months in prison as just shy of maximum sentencing guidelines. \nThe DOJ, if they prosecute, are aiming at much bigger crimes - notably Obstruction of an Official Proceeding, which carries up to 20 years. And they'd be potentially trying these crimes in the same jurisdiction.\n\nSo I'm sure the calculation was that it just wasn't worth throwing a referral at the DOJ for something they'd never follow up on, and wouldn't be much benefit if they did.",
">\n\nIn summary, he’s committed so many crimes that this one isn’t worth any effort",
">\n\nEssentially, yeah. The DOJ has two big chances to secure a conviction: Mar-A-Lago and Jan. 6 - and they will likely bring multiple charges in a D.C. court if they decide to prosecute. Mar-A-Lago will come first, which has virtually nothing to do with this committee's work.\nReferring a misdemeanor to tack onto 4 serious felonies they referred probably only risked muddying the larger offenses. Can't blame them honestly.",
">\n\nWhat is “Mar a Lago” in this context! The tax scheme? Classified documents?",
">\n\nThe classified documents",
">\n\nSmall point but they weren't all classified and don't need to be, for what he did to be illegal. Just trying to avoid republican framing.",
">\n\nHillary was not afraid to testify every time she was asked (and testified for hours and hours each time, answering all questions asked) and never took the 5th. Yet republicans act like she is the criminal when it always has been trump.",
">\n\nEven if she was wrong she was smarter than any of the R in the room. That woman was a machine during those hearings and gave them nothing to work with.",
">\n\nShe is definitely smarter than that barrel of monkeys who questioned her, but ultimately, there was nothing to get from her - the perfect opposite case of crimey benedict donald and his co-conspirators.",
">\n\nIt's interesting to see that people think this subpoena would have continued to exist past Jan 3, 2023 given that that's when ALL open subpoenas from the outgoing congress expire and become null and void. Even if the J6 committee continued to exist- they would be required to file a brand new one in the new session.",
">\n\nIt wouldn't be that hard to file a brand new subpoena, they have lawyers who work full-time for them. That isn't an obstacle.",
">\n\nExcept for the committee doesn't exist in the new Congress and they have no powers to do anything if they don't exist.",
">\n\nIt's easy to get the two confused a lot of times.",
">\n\nHow many of y'all actually thought he wasn't going to run out the clock? \nNothing will fundamentally change.",
">\n\nNobody. The “justice takes time” chorus that dominated the narrative was only here to quell social unrest so society didn’t take a dive while the rich mocked us from their golden pedestals.",
">\n\nSerious question: Why? So what if the Dems lose power in the Congress. Let the Republicans be the one to formally dismantle the committee and subpoena on record. Then when hopefully Trump is charged by the DOJ, dems have another talking point for 2024 that the Republicans hate law and order and protect mob bosses.",
">\n\nThe select committee expires at the end of the congressional session. So they do not need to question him because the committee will not exist.",
">\n\nBut what is the point of formally withdrawing the subpoena? What does it accomplish?",
">\n\nThe committee is over. They have issued the report, they are closing up shop. They are following the process. A secondary part of the committees job was to show how a REAL congressional hearing should be handled. None of that sloppy ass grandstanding they did for Benghazi",
">\n\nMy viewpoint is that Trump and the GOP are just going to use this as “proof” that he did nothing wrong. Remember how the Mueller report “exonerated” Trump? His base believes this shit wholeheartedly and I guarantee he will use this as “evidence” for his innocence.\nShowing how things SHOULD be handled instead of taking whatever measures needed to protect Americans lead to Jan 6th happening in the first place. We all know how things should be handled, how the rules should work, but one side is willing to do whatever they need to keep power and the other is getting walked over.\nIs taking the high road worth letting fascism into our government?",
">\n\nIt’s good to know that republicans are allowed to ignore subpoenas. That’s useful info for them. Don’t expect dems to get that treatment",
">\n\nThey dropped the ball in not issuing one a couple of months ago",
">\n\nActually the Democrats have done everything not to ever pick up the ball even once. They let trump appointed republicans appoint a republican special counsel to fall like a straw man to blatant obstruction in the Russia probe. They turned it into a fundraiser for campaigning. \nThis time they let liz Cheney take the reins, who was able to preserve her republican prerogatives throughout this entire ordeal. \nThe fact is that you're all being cucked by forces of controlled opposition and I'm apparently the only one in the world who can't be so easily mitigated.\nI can't depend on any of you anymore than you can depend on yourselves.",
">\n\nYou lost all credibility at the end when you said cuck and act like you’re the smartest person in the world. Be gone!",
">\n\nYeah, I don't know how anyone can be expected to be taken seriously using that whole sentence unironically.",
">\n\nI don't expect to be taken seriously whether I say it or not, yet the facts remain as I've described.",
">\n\nI didn’t see that coming, said absolutely no one.",
">\n\nWhy.",
">\n\nHUGE mistake. The committee will be dissolved by the GOPers in a couple weeks, and all this did was to give the Marmalade Moses another fake victory to rile up his lemmings.",
">\n\nIt’s funny because I say the same thing every time about trump never getting charged and I always get shit about it like BUT NO THIS TIME IS DIFFERENT. \nLmao right. Sure it is.",
">\n\nFucking same. This is just more “ammo” for his orange, shit spewing mouth.",
">\n\nThis guy is still getting more media coverage than the current potus two years into his term. Crazy.",
">\n\nIt does blow that he wasn't forced to comply with the subpoena but for people thinking what a bummer this seems like, the house is switching to a republican majority in like a week so it didn't make a whole lot of sense to leave an active subpoena on record knowing it would never be resolved. They likely knew he wasn't going to comply when it was issued only now its offical that it was officially issued, ignored by trump, and terminated. Who knows if the DOJ will eventually file but everyone pretty much already knew that little temper tantrum trump wasn't going to aid in his own house sedition investigation.",
">\n\nIf we restrict ourselves to the issue of compliance with a subpoena from this committee, then the recent election clearly mooted every aspect of penalties or consequences related to ignoring the subpoena.\nIt's like a big brother was called over and little bro wanted him to force his adversary to bow and kiss the ground. But by the time big bro finally wanders over, the kid goes \"nah... we're good.\"\nA lot of folk like to believe contempt of court or contempt of congress is like any other crime where you do the deed and have to face the punishment. But, in general, these things do not work like crimes. Even where contempt has been codified such that there is a criminal contempt aspect, the goal remains to seek or to force compliance. This leads to \"punishments\" which are better or worse depending on how you view things. A simple view is that you could be \"sentenced\" to indefinite incarceration because it's a \"jailed until compliance\" thing.\nIn this case, Congress has been very, very reticent to try to use their inherent power to jail someone. So the most they ever do these days is refer the case to the DoJ to pursue criminal contempt of congress.\nAll in all, is this a \"good\" thing? Maybe it's not as bad as we feel it to be. Imagine any sort of argument where someone demands you do something. You retort \"are you sure?\" Bystanders urge folk cool down and think about it. Map that into the way Congress changes every two years and you get a sense that unless something is important enough that it remains after the public alters the composition of the legislative branch, maybe it's not all that important (to the public) after all.\nOn the other hand, why would anyone fear Congress when they demonstrate time and again there never really are any consequences for refusal to comply with subpoenas? But... do we want to quake in fear whenever some nutjob party gains control and enacts something as dire as the Committee on Unamerican Activities?",
">\n\nWhat is the advantage of dropping the subpoena, as opposed to just letting it expire/letting the new congress withdraw it? Why go on record saying he no longer has to come in? I get that he was never going to show, I’m just curious why this is better than the alternative.",
">\n\nI’m wondering this too. There has to be a good reason.",
">\n\n?? Why, like it had no power, but still why? This looks like weakness",
">\n\nThe subpoena expires when the new congress is sworn in on Jan 3rd. There was no practical way to enforce it.",
">\n\nWhy not just let it expire?\nNow Republicans have a talking point that the January 6th Committee withdrew their subpoena.\nThey'll use it to muddy the waters and spread more misinformation.",
">\n\nThey already had their talking points. They've had them the whole time. They already released a \"counter report\" to the J6 committee. The committee withdrew it because they are closing up shop. The report is out. Where would Donnie's answers go?",
">\n\nWhy was he not charged with contempt for no show? Once again, he gets let off for bad behaviour",
">\n\nBecause they referred him for 4 much more serious crimes with longer sentences. Referring him for this is essentially pointless.",
">\n\nYes, but i see it as another nail in the coffin, and also sends a message that subpoenas are not to be ignored",
">\n\nImagine if you or I tried to just ignore a subpoena.",
">\n\nIt’s OK if you’re a Republican, as the war criminal’s daughter who voted in line with Trump’s policies during her House tenure can attest.",
">\n\nAnother instance of unequal justice under the law, imo. If you or I disregarded a subpoena from Congress we'd be going to jail...like Steve Bannon.",
">\n\nDrag it out, do nothing, repeat. Glad the J6 group produced a ton of info and exposed a lot of the bs but what's the point of nothing really happens? Media circus? I'm so tired.",
">\n\nGreat precedent. It's good to know if I'm ever subpoenaed by congress I can just ignore it.",
">\n\nJ6 knew he'd puss out and just wanted to get it on the record. And for the same reason they haven't gone after Meadows for ignoring his subpoena, are all of the other serious crimes hanging over him and the orange Traitor in Chief, especially now, the subpoenas aren't worth the time and effort.",
">\n\n\nAnd for the same reason they haven't gone after Meadows for ignoring his subpoena\n\nTo be fair... the House voted him in criminal contempt and sent the referral to that to the DoJ. There wasn't really anything they could do beyond that with respect to his subpoena (yes, inherent contempt in theory exists, in practice it would have been useless for multiple reasons).\nMeadows is also included in the big criminal referrals the committee issued as part of their report as well.",
">\n\nAs usual, this country’s justice system is a joke",
">\n\nThis was a subpoena issued by the congress, not DOJ. He would be arrested if this was subpoena by DOJ and he didn’t show.",
">\n\nLike I said lol this country’s justice system is a joke",
">\n\nBut the justice system has not been involved yet!!! Congressional hearing is not an example of the justice system. The congress has referred the case to the DOJ or “the justice system” as a result of their hearing. DOJ will pursue a criminal investigation and pursue charges. \nJudiciary (justice system as you call it), congress, and executive branches are constitutionally separate and independent to ensure checks and balances.\nJustice system in the US is not ideal, but this specific instance is not an example of these inefficiencies. This is an example of how the congress has been ineffective in doing their legislative actions. In this instance the correct statement would be “Legislative system in this country is a joke.” Justice system has not had a chance to show its incompetence yet. That will be next.",
">\n\nNaive of you to think this is anything more than a show they’re putting on. Nothing will come of it, democrats are by nature pussies let’s be real. None have any teeth or claws. The right is full of a bunch of tribalistic monkeys, party is apparently more important than country. I guess I can rephrase, besides making money and being the best business in the world, America is a joke.",
">\n\n\"OMG. I'm so outraged by this even though I have no idea why.\"\nIt'd be nice if you guys learned the difference between the subpoena and the criminal referral. trump was never going to show up for the subpoena especially since the GOP is about to take control. It's a completely moot point.",
">\n\nExactly. The committee already referred him to the DoJ on criminal charges. Everyone is acting like they're just taking their ball and going home. They already went well and beyond a mere subpoena here, and one of the charges that they're recommending is obstruction already.",
">\n\nAren’t subpoenas mandatory with consequences? Either you show up or go to jail. Trump did neither.",
">\n\nNot if you are rich. Laws are you only for the the lower 90%",
">\n\nThis is such bullshit.",
">\n\nAnother precedent set for rich criminals to not comply. If we citizens didn’t show we’d be at a black site with electrodes on our genitals.",
">\n\nThey should have charged Trump with contempt of Congress.",
">\n\nSo whens the next uprising on behalf of rich people? Just be sure you're actually a political player because if you're just a worker you'll be charged. Chess has really changed over the past hundred years.",
">\n\nTotally expected. \nTrump, the really TV star, said he'd only agree to answer the subpoena if it were live & televised. It's quite obvious the reason is that he'd ignore the questioning & use the free air time to spew his BS, much like in the Presidential debates. \nAnd I'm sure the incoming Republican House would have loved to have given him the opportunity",
">\n\nyeah kinda moot at this point , they already made those criminal referrals anyways lol i wish they would have perused charging him for not showing up however but maybe they figured in light of everything they should focus on the key issues and at this point whatever he had to say really doesnt matter anyways as he would just lie. his testimony would pretty much be useless. its still a shame we didnt get to see it just for historys sake lol",
">\n\nAl trump would do is take the 5th like any other ordinary criminal",
">\n\nSo far as things have gone, will it now be ok for Democrats to ignore all the subpoenas that this next R House is going to send around? I’d think so….",
">\n\nOur government has failed us.... Good luck everyone.",
">\n\nAh yes the criminal Justice system, quite possibly the longest running joke in America",
">\n\n& you just know the cheeto will say something like, ha!, they dropped the subpoena cause they knew I am innocent, or some 💩 like that",
">\n\nNo surprise there. Trump is above the law, as he has proven time and again, over and over throughout the last several years. \nI will be surprised if anything comes out of this investigation, at all. \nI will be surprised if the next republican president isn't worse than Trump. \nI mean seriously, how do they convict him of anything if they can't even call him for questioning. Ever heard of anyone, ever, to get convicted of a crime that didn't have to talk to investigators at some point? \nFuck America. Fuck Trump. And fuck the pussy ass people who refuse to do their fucking job.",
">\n\nThey dropped it because it wasn't necessary and would have given him a national platform needlessly. DOJ will pass to the special council which will bring formal charges, if any will be brought.",
">\n\nThis is actually heartbreaking. Seen a lot of politicians and people of note show time and time again that the rules for EVERY CITIZEN don’t apply to them and this stings just a little more",
">\n\nMy theory that he is blackmailing everyone from the White House down with Area 51 malarky is still holding water...",
">\n\nLet us all start committing crimes and see how that goes, this is bs",
">\n\nSuch bs. I knew he would sleeze his way out of any consequences for his actions. This will only embolden him & his lunatic followers. He incites a riot that kills people & gets away with it. If any of us incited a riot, we would still be in jail & if people died during the riot, we would be charged with murder as well. So sick & tired of the double standard when it comes to a president who breaks the law & walks away, just like nixon did.",
">\n\nshould not have dropped\nshould have referred it to doj for contempt of congress...\nwhite rich continue to get a pass for what the rest of us would have long ago been prosecuted and imprisoned...",
">\n\nThey already referred him to DOJ for obstruction of a govt proceeding last week. What are you talking about?",
">\n\nYeah, because why would you want to subpoena the guy who was completely responsible for the entire thing?\nThe Chuck Schumer neoliberals have engineered this to completely let Trump get away with it - because they think the Republicans are still their friends and they don't want to piss them off!",
">\n\nThey subpoenaed trump months ago. He declined to show. Since, investigation is over, they dropped it. This is not even really news worthy.",
">\n\nHalf the people in this thread have no idea what they're talking about and are confusing the subpoena with the criminal referral.",
">\n\nOh, is that what's going on? Lol. I was wondering why ppl are making a big deal about this. This is just the committee cleaning up loose ends.",
">\n\nIt's a big deal if someone who's now a private citizen, can do wtf he wants and ignore a Congressional subpoena.",
">\n\nIt takes votes by congress to hold in contempt. They didn't need trump's testimony. He would just show up and repeat I plead the 5th anyway. Pence ignored his, too. It's pointless to hold them in contempt and get off focus of actual investigation.",
">\n\nYou're proving my point. Congressional Democrats should have enforced the subpoena and made Trump plead the 5th to every question. Imagine if Pence also appeared and pled the 5th to every question. That is political magic for the Democrats, it makes them look guilty as hell.\nTrump committed a crime, and this is America. It should be the same as if I committed a crime. We would get arrested, taken to jail until the morning, see a judge and face our charges, and then either get released on OR, held for trial, or bail set. It's not much of a democracy if laws are not enforced against powerful people.",
">\n\nOnce you all realize this is just a game and you’re the pawn things will make a lot more sense.",
">\n\nNow hear him cry about never getting a chance to testify when he’s charged.",
">\n\nI see this less as a “you’re excused” and more of a “see you in court”",
">\n\nNo need to bother with it when they've already finished their work. The only thing that testimony would have accomplished would have been getting Trump to look bad on national television, and a potential perjury charge. Trump already has embarrassed himself in public in a massive way since then, and they have bigger crimes to recommend to the DOJ for prosecution.",
">\n\nThe moment they announced the subpoena everyone got a hard on that trump would have to talk. I said it then and I’ll say it again, trump will never have to face any punishment and he doesn’t have to comply to any law or rules. They’re all more suggestions instead of laws.",
">\n\nWhat a waste of fucking time",
">\n\nSo......this was a big fat waste of time and money?",
">\n\nI mean they made a criminal referral so, no? The committee wasn’t set up to solely investigate Dolt 45 and took the testimony of over a thousand people, why is it you believe withdrawing one subpoena because the committee is winding down renders the entire process a “waste of time and money.”",
">\n\nNo mention on CNN that they dropped the subpoena after a year of January 6 January 6 January 6 terrible news station",
">\n\nWell, it’s being run by a Republican so go figure",
">\n\nTalk about the wheels of justice turning slow. In this case reversing altogether. Well done.",
">\n\nI wish this surprised me.",
">\n\nLOL God this is so funny\nWhat the fuck did y'all expect if you have money you are above the law. It only applies to the poor and those who step on the toes of capital.",
">\n\nWhat a waste of money",
">\n\n...And a Happy New Year!",
">\n\nClassic",
">\n\nShocking",
">\n\nOur governing body are a bunch of cowards. The US is being safeguarded by self-interested Congresspersons who speak about accountability and act on cowardice.",
">\n\nLet's be honest he'll get away with everything with a slap on the wrist. This country won't prosecute a sitting or former president or high ranking politician, we've seen this over and over. The whole committee is sadly a publicity stunt to gain traction for Democrat's. I hope I'm completely wrong of course and that this country will start to feel like it's a democracy.",
">\n\nThe coup is in effect.",
">\n\nI have a sad feeling this committee is going to end up like a fart in the wind",
">\n\nYou’re not wrong",
">\n\nWtf are you talking about?",
">\n\nHands",
">\n\nWho are you talking to? Lmao",
">\n\nWent out with a whimper. The most Democrat thing ever.\nWish the Dems would learn how to take the gloves off, at least they would have a shot against an opponent that has no problems filling their gloves with lead shot. Then bragging about it.",
">\n\nThe subpoena, and associated contempt charges would be nothing when compared to the recommendations made by the committee to the DOJ. Whether or not the DOJ will act is all that matters at this point.",
">\n\nPathetic pieces of shit",
">\n\nAll theatre, all the time. Seems like by now, to most people, that somehow being trolled by their favorite elected might be possible.",
">\n\nSo wait, he just gets away with everything? Just like that?\nWhat about all the articles saying that Trump will most likely spend the rest of his life in prison?",
">\n\nThe subpoena has nothing to do with the recommendations made by the committee to the DOJ. The ball is in the DOJ’s court. The subpoena doesn’t impact anything. Absurd that he didn’t get held in contempt, but that is more of a distraction than anything.",
">\n\nI see. Thanks for explaining!",
">\n\nCan anyone explain why he was not arrested for not responding to the subpoena? I thought you had to respond to these?",
">\n\nFirst they would have had to vote for contempt. Then they would need to issue a referral to DOJ, then DOJ would need to consider it. That is not happening in a week before the new congress is sworn in an this committee expires. They have issued their report and no longer need to speak to him. That is why it was withdrawn. Their job is done.",
">\n\nSubpoenas are real, or they’re not.\nIn the real world if any person defied or ignored a subpoena they would be arrested immediately.\nWhy are some Americans allowed to break the law in broad daylight.",
">\n\nWhy is the DOJ dragging its feet in charging anyone?",
">\n\nDOJ has charged over 700 people out of January 6 and they continue to charge cases. Most of these cases took months if not years to come to fruition.\nAt the end of the day DOJ has no obligation to act on any of the committee’s referrals, although I believe they already have ongoing investigations as to several of the subjects. If anything new comes out of the committee’s work it’s unlikely to happen soon.",
">\n\nThe US is beyond broken. The wealthy can do whatever they want while we are the only ones who face consequences. I can’t wait to leave this shithole again. I won’t be making the mistake of coming back like I did last year.",
">\n\nSuch a farce",
">\n\nBut he wanted to appear!!",
">\n\nThe walls are closing in.",
">\n\nOk, people. Quit guilt-edging and go home.",
">\n\nWait so what is Trump a dastardly super villain who keeps getting away or a dumb oaf. You guys just can't decide.",
">\n\nI can’t wait until nothing happens!\nHas it happened yet?",
">\n\n“All animals are equal but some animals are more equal than others.” \nHey, do you think Reddit will ever reach a state of Nirvana where it will stop claiming “Trump is really sweating now!”?"
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"So far Trump's legal strategy of ignoring calls for accountability until Republicans in Congress can bail him out is workingly flawlessly.",
">\n\nThat doesn’t mean the DoJ can’t charge and prosecute. \nRight now everything is in response to republicans getting their slim majority in the house and lessen the damage they will do.\nThat said, they still have the mountain of evidence they did gather",
">\n\nWhat about when the AG/DOJ is a GOP appointee? You don’t think they’ll just put in a Bill Barr type on the entire thing?",
">\n\nNot while they have a democratic president and especially when the previous president lost them the midterms.\nThey were already planning on replacing trump with Desantes by equating the 2 (Martha’s Vineyard was part of that), they’re only gonna lose trying to put their party’s future on the line protect him further.\nThey gonna continue to spread doubt and try to discredit the investigations, but they’re barely holding onto a branch of government, they’re not stupid. Barr only worked because they held onto 2",
">\n\nUmmm that’s not what I meant. If a GOP candidate for President wins in 2024 , what are the actual legal implications. It’s not like it’s below them to interfere like they did with the collusion charges",
">\n\n\nThe House January 6 committee is withdrawing its subpoena of former President Donald Trump as it concludes its work.\n“In light of the imminent end of our investigation, the Select Committee can no longer pursue the specific information covered by the subpoena,” Chairman Bennie Thompson, a Mississippi Democrat, wrote in a letter to Trump’s attorney Wednesday obtained by CNN.\n“Therefore, through this letter, I hereby formally withdraw the subpoena issued to former President Trump, and notify you that he is no longer obligated to comply or produce records in response to said subpoena,” Thompson added.",
">\n\nConclusion: Former president Trump is above the law.",
">\n\nYeah kind of makes me sad. Trump can just ignore a subpoena, with zero consequences. \n“We believe you tried to overthrow the government. You are legally required to come talk to us about it.”\n“No thanks.”\n“Oh. Ok, never mind.”",
">\n\nNo consequences? He's has been referred to the DOJ for obstruction of a govt processing last week. They held a recorded vote.",
">\n\nThat’s not a consequence. It’s kicking the can. Trump will never, ever be held responsible for his role in destroying democracy in America.",
">\n\nThis is not TV or a movie. \"The wheels of justice grind slowly yet exceedingly fine\" is a saying for a reason. Federal investigations usually take years.",
">\n\nHe’s been investigated for years. No consequences. Just special appointments, investigations, and referrals. In the mean time, you know who DOES face consequences?\nAmerica.",
">\n\nYou are judging the end of the movie before it is over.\nThe previous investigations were being done while he had the shield of the presidency and an attorney general running obstruction for him. None of that is true now.",
">\n\nThe GOP will continue fighting on his behalf, because the majority are complicit in 45’s fuckery. Again, no consequences will be had. I’m willing to wager a gift card to your favorite local restaurant that he will live fat, rich, and free until at least the 2024/25 inauguration. Save this post.",
">\n\nWe'll see about that. I'll admit to the loss if thats the case.",
">\n\nMore proof that we the people have no rights in comparison to the billionaire ticks.",
">\n\nDude ain't no billionaire",
">\n\nNo, but his buddies are.",
">\n\nHis puppet masters maybe",
">\n\nI mean, who would have thought not starting the fight sooner would end like this?",
">\n\nDon’t worry. He’s got so many more coming.",
">\n\nThe idea that Trump will pay any price for his crimes is a fantasy.",
">\n\nIt’s actually happening. His company has been found guilty. His charity is closed. His cohorts are about to go to jail. His popularity sagging. Protection is gone. We just need the first indictment.",
">\n\nBut none is him",
">\n\nWell Trump Org is pretty much him but be patient.",
">\n\nDrops in the bucket. \nBeen patient for like 6 years now. How much more we gotta wait?",
">\n\nHe couldn’t be prosecuted while president. Watch GA and the special prosecutor. They’re moving fast.",
">\n\nCouldn't be?\nShould have been.",
">\n\nThat’s absolutely wild that any man is able to just straight up ignore a subpoena with zero consequences. Definition of “above the law”. If he gets away with this, he is going to be more dangerous than ever. You get away with leading a coup/insurrection, you’re going to assume you can get away with literally anything. \nMaybe trump was right… he really could shoot someone in the middle of 5th avenue and not lose any voters…and also probably not even get in trouble",
">\n\nSerious questions...so the committee pull the subpoena, but it's up to DOJ for any additional follow up, but when the new congress is in session they can tell DOJ to drop everything? Is that how's its going to go down? Because I thought DOJ is supposed to be independent once given the committee's findings?",
">\n\nThe DOJ is certainly independent of Congress. As for the committee - the only thing they would've done differently was vote on a criminal referral for contempt of Congress. Although there is some truth to congressional contempt needing to stem from congress, The DOJ has no obligation to act on a referral - it is more akin to a recommendation.\nWith that being said, the committee knew it wasn't going to serve any real benefit, so they decided not to.\n\nThe DOJ decided not to prosecute Meadows and Scavino for contempt due to their close ties to the executive. This pretty much ruled out any chance of it happening to Trump, a former President. \nEven a completely successful referral (Steve Bannon) showed how inconsequential Congressional subpoena power is. For one, it is a misdemeanor. It has been ~15 months since Bannon was referred, and he was found guilty and sentenced, and he is still a free man pending appeal. And even if upheld, it's only 4 months in prison as just shy of maximum sentencing guidelines. \nThe DOJ, if they prosecute, are aiming at much bigger crimes - notably Obstruction of an Official Proceeding, which carries up to 20 years. And they'd be potentially trying these crimes in the same jurisdiction.\n\nSo I'm sure the calculation was that it just wasn't worth throwing a referral at the DOJ for something they'd never follow up on, and wouldn't be much benefit if they did.",
">\n\nIn summary, he’s committed so many crimes that this one isn’t worth any effort",
">\n\nEssentially, yeah. The DOJ has two big chances to secure a conviction: Mar-A-Lago and Jan. 6 - and they will likely bring multiple charges in a D.C. court if they decide to prosecute. Mar-A-Lago will come first, which has virtually nothing to do with this committee's work.\nReferring a misdemeanor to tack onto 4 serious felonies they referred probably only risked muddying the larger offenses. Can't blame them honestly.",
">\n\nWhat is “Mar a Lago” in this context! The tax scheme? Classified documents?",
">\n\nThe classified documents",
">\n\nSmall point but they weren't all classified and don't need to be, for what he did to be illegal. Just trying to avoid republican framing.",
">\n\nHillary was not afraid to testify every time she was asked (and testified for hours and hours each time, answering all questions asked) and never took the 5th. Yet republicans act like she is the criminal when it always has been trump.",
">\n\nEven if she was wrong she was smarter than any of the R in the room. That woman was a machine during those hearings and gave them nothing to work with.",
">\n\nShe is definitely smarter than that barrel of monkeys who questioned her, but ultimately, there was nothing to get from her - the perfect opposite case of crimey benedict donald and his co-conspirators.",
">\n\nIt's interesting to see that people think this subpoena would have continued to exist past Jan 3, 2023 given that that's when ALL open subpoenas from the outgoing congress expire and become null and void. Even if the J6 committee continued to exist- they would be required to file a brand new one in the new session.",
">\n\nIt wouldn't be that hard to file a brand new subpoena, they have lawyers who work full-time for them. That isn't an obstacle.",
">\n\nExcept for the committee doesn't exist in the new Congress and they have no powers to do anything if they don't exist.",
">\n\nIt's easy to get the two confused a lot of times.",
">\n\nHow many of y'all actually thought he wasn't going to run out the clock? \nNothing will fundamentally change.",
">\n\nNobody. The “justice takes time” chorus that dominated the narrative was only here to quell social unrest so society didn’t take a dive while the rich mocked us from their golden pedestals.",
">\n\nSerious question: Why? So what if the Dems lose power in the Congress. Let the Republicans be the one to formally dismantle the committee and subpoena on record. Then when hopefully Trump is charged by the DOJ, dems have another talking point for 2024 that the Republicans hate law and order and protect mob bosses.",
">\n\nThe select committee expires at the end of the congressional session. So they do not need to question him because the committee will not exist.",
">\n\nBut what is the point of formally withdrawing the subpoena? What does it accomplish?",
">\n\nThe committee is over. They have issued the report, they are closing up shop. They are following the process. A secondary part of the committees job was to show how a REAL congressional hearing should be handled. None of that sloppy ass grandstanding they did for Benghazi",
">\n\nMy viewpoint is that Trump and the GOP are just going to use this as “proof” that he did nothing wrong. Remember how the Mueller report “exonerated” Trump? His base believes this shit wholeheartedly and I guarantee he will use this as “evidence” for his innocence.\nShowing how things SHOULD be handled instead of taking whatever measures needed to protect Americans lead to Jan 6th happening in the first place. We all know how things should be handled, how the rules should work, but one side is willing to do whatever they need to keep power and the other is getting walked over.\nIs taking the high road worth letting fascism into our government?",
">\n\nIt’s good to know that republicans are allowed to ignore subpoenas. That’s useful info for them. Don’t expect dems to get that treatment",
">\n\nThey dropped the ball in not issuing one a couple of months ago",
">\n\nActually the Democrats have done everything not to ever pick up the ball even once. They let trump appointed republicans appoint a republican special counsel to fall like a straw man to blatant obstruction in the Russia probe. They turned it into a fundraiser for campaigning. \nThis time they let liz Cheney take the reins, who was able to preserve her republican prerogatives throughout this entire ordeal. \nThe fact is that you're all being cucked by forces of controlled opposition and I'm apparently the only one in the world who can't be so easily mitigated.\nI can't depend on any of you anymore than you can depend on yourselves.",
">\n\nYou lost all credibility at the end when you said cuck and act like you’re the smartest person in the world. Be gone!",
">\n\nYeah, I don't know how anyone can be expected to be taken seriously using that whole sentence unironically.",
">\n\nI don't expect to be taken seriously whether I say it or not, yet the facts remain as I've described.",
">\n\nI didn’t see that coming, said absolutely no one.",
">\n\nWhy.",
">\n\nHUGE mistake. The committee will be dissolved by the GOPers in a couple weeks, and all this did was to give the Marmalade Moses another fake victory to rile up his lemmings.",
">\n\nIt’s funny because I say the same thing every time about trump never getting charged and I always get shit about it like BUT NO THIS TIME IS DIFFERENT. \nLmao right. Sure it is.",
">\n\nFucking same. This is just more “ammo” for his orange, shit spewing mouth.",
">\n\nThis guy is still getting more media coverage than the current potus two years into his term. Crazy.",
">\n\nIt does blow that he wasn't forced to comply with the subpoena but for people thinking what a bummer this seems like, the house is switching to a republican majority in like a week so it didn't make a whole lot of sense to leave an active subpoena on record knowing it would never be resolved. They likely knew he wasn't going to comply when it was issued only now its offical that it was officially issued, ignored by trump, and terminated. Who knows if the DOJ will eventually file but everyone pretty much already knew that little temper tantrum trump wasn't going to aid in his own house sedition investigation.",
">\n\nIf we restrict ourselves to the issue of compliance with a subpoena from this committee, then the recent election clearly mooted every aspect of penalties or consequences related to ignoring the subpoena.\nIt's like a big brother was called over and little bro wanted him to force his adversary to bow and kiss the ground. But by the time big bro finally wanders over, the kid goes \"nah... we're good.\"\nA lot of folk like to believe contempt of court or contempt of congress is like any other crime where you do the deed and have to face the punishment. But, in general, these things do not work like crimes. Even where contempt has been codified such that there is a criminal contempt aspect, the goal remains to seek or to force compliance. This leads to \"punishments\" which are better or worse depending on how you view things. A simple view is that you could be \"sentenced\" to indefinite incarceration because it's a \"jailed until compliance\" thing.\nIn this case, Congress has been very, very reticent to try to use their inherent power to jail someone. So the most they ever do these days is refer the case to the DoJ to pursue criminal contempt of congress.\nAll in all, is this a \"good\" thing? Maybe it's not as bad as we feel it to be. Imagine any sort of argument where someone demands you do something. You retort \"are you sure?\" Bystanders urge folk cool down and think about it. Map that into the way Congress changes every two years and you get a sense that unless something is important enough that it remains after the public alters the composition of the legislative branch, maybe it's not all that important (to the public) after all.\nOn the other hand, why would anyone fear Congress when they demonstrate time and again there never really are any consequences for refusal to comply with subpoenas? But... do we want to quake in fear whenever some nutjob party gains control and enacts something as dire as the Committee on Unamerican Activities?",
">\n\nWhat is the advantage of dropping the subpoena, as opposed to just letting it expire/letting the new congress withdraw it? Why go on record saying he no longer has to come in? I get that he was never going to show, I’m just curious why this is better than the alternative.",
">\n\nI’m wondering this too. There has to be a good reason.",
">\n\n?? Why, like it had no power, but still why? This looks like weakness",
">\n\nThe subpoena expires when the new congress is sworn in on Jan 3rd. There was no practical way to enforce it.",
">\n\nWhy not just let it expire?\nNow Republicans have a talking point that the January 6th Committee withdrew their subpoena.\nThey'll use it to muddy the waters and spread more misinformation.",
">\n\nThey already had their talking points. They've had them the whole time. They already released a \"counter report\" to the J6 committee. The committee withdrew it because they are closing up shop. The report is out. Where would Donnie's answers go?",
">\n\nWhy was he not charged with contempt for no show? Once again, he gets let off for bad behaviour",
">\n\nBecause they referred him for 4 much more serious crimes with longer sentences. Referring him for this is essentially pointless.",
">\n\nYes, but i see it as another nail in the coffin, and also sends a message that subpoenas are not to be ignored",
">\n\nImagine if you or I tried to just ignore a subpoena.",
">\n\nIt’s OK if you’re a Republican, as the war criminal’s daughter who voted in line with Trump’s policies during her House tenure can attest.",
">\n\nAnother instance of unequal justice under the law, imo. If you or I disregarded a subpoena from Congress we'd be going to jail...like Steve Bannon.",
">\n\nDrag it out, do nothing, repeat. Glad the J6 group produced a ton of info and exposed a lot of the bs but what's the point of nothing really happens? Media circus? I'm so tired.",
">\n\nGreat precedent. It's good to know if I'm ever subpoenaed by congress I can just ignore it.",
">\n\nJ6 knew he'd puss out and just wanted to get it on the record. And for the same reason they haven't gone after Meadows for ignoring his subpoena, are all of the other serious crimes hanging over him and the orange Traitor in Chief, especially now, the subpoenas aren't worth the time and effort.",
">\n\n\nAnd for the same reason they haven't gone after Meadows for ignoring his subpoena\n\nTo be fair... the House voted him in criminal contempt and sent the referral to that to the DoJ. There wasn't really anything they could do beyond that with respect to his subpoena (yes, inherent contempt in theory exists, in practice it would have been useless for multiple reasons).\nMeadows is also included in the big criminal referrals the committee issued as part of their report as well.",
">\n\nAs usual, this country’s justice system is a joke",
">\n\nThis was a subpoena issued by the congress, not DOJ. He would be arrested if this was subpoena by DOJ and he didn’t show.",
">\n\nLike I said lol this country’s justice system is a joke",
">\n\nBut the justice system has not been involved yet!!! Congressional hearing is not an example of the justice system. The congress has referred the case to the DOJ or “the justice system” as a result of their hearing. DOJ will pursue a criminal investigation and pursue charges. \nJudiciary (justice system as you call it), congress, and executive branches are constitutionally separate and independent to ensure checks and balances.\nJustice system in the US is not ideal, but this specific instance is not an example of these inefficiencies. This is an example of how the congress has been ineffective in doing their legislative actions. In this instance the correct statement would be “Legislative system in this country is a joke.” Justice system has not had a chance to show its incompetence yet. That will be next.",
">\n\nNaive of you to think this is anything more than a show they’re putting on. Nothing will come of it, democrats are by nature pussies let’s be real. None have any teeth or claws. The right is full of a bunch of tribalistic monkeys, party is apparently more important than country. I guess I can rephrase, besides making money and being the best business in the world, America is a joke.",
">\n\n\"OMG. I'm so outraged by this even though I have no idea why.\"\nIt'd be nice if you guys learned the difference between the subpoena and the criminal referral. trump was never going to show up for the subpoena especially since the GOP is about to take control. It's a completely moot point.",
">\n\nExactly. The committee already referred him to the DoJ on criminal charges. Everyone is acting like they're just taking their ball and going home. They already went well and beyond a mere subpoena here, and one of the charges that they're recommending is obstruction already.",
">\n\nAren’t subpoenas mandatory with consequences? Either you show up or go to jail. Trump did neither.",
">\n\nNot if you are rich. Laws are you only for the the lower 90%",
">\n\nThis is such bullshit.",
">\n\nAnother precedent set for rich criminals to not comply. If we citizens didn’t show we’d be at a black site with electrodes on our genitals.",
">\n\nThey should have charged Trump with contempt of Congress.",
">\n\nSo whens the next uprising on behalf of rich people? Just be sure you're actually a political player because if you're just a worker you'll be charged. Chess has really changed over the past hundred years.",
">\n\nTotally expected. \nTrump, the really TV star, said he'd only agree to answer the subpoena if it were live & televised. It's quite obvious the reason is that he'd ignore the questioning & use the free air time to spew his BS, much like in the Presidential debates. \nAnd I'm sure the incoming Republican House would have loved to have given him the opportunity",
">\n\nyeah kinda moot at this point , they already made those criminal referrals anyways lol i wish they would have perused charging him for not showing up however but maybe they figured in light of everything they should focus on the key issues and at this point whatever he had to say really doesnt matter anyways as he would just lie. his testimony would pretty much be useless. its still a shame we didnt get to see it just for historys sake lol",
">\n\nAl trump would do is take the 5th like any other ordinary criminal",
">\n\nSo far as things have gone, will it now be ok for Democrats to ignore all the subpoenas that this next R House is going to send around? I’d think so….",
">\n\nOur government has failed us.... Good luck everyone.",
">\n\nAh yes the criminal Justice system, quite possibly the longest running joke in America",
">\n\n& you just know the cheeto will say something like, ha!, they dropped the subpoena cause they knew I am innocent, or some 💩 like that",
">\n\nNo surprise there. Trump is above the law, as he has proven time and again, over and over throughout the last several years. \nI will be surprised if anything comes out of this investigation, at all. \nI will be surprised if the next republican president isn't worse than Trump. \nI mean seriously, how do they convict him of anything if they can't even call him for questioning. Ever heard of anyone, ever, to get convicted of a crime that didn't have to talk to investigators at some point? \nFuck America. Fuck Trump. And fuck the pussy ass people who refuse to do their fucking job.",
">\n\nThey dropped it because it wasn't necessary and would have given him a national platform needlessly. DOJ will pass to the special council which will bring formal charges, if any will be brought.",
">\n\nThis is actually heartbreaking. Seen a lot of politicians and people of note show time and time again that the rules for EVERY CITIZEN don’t apply to them and this stings just a little more",
">\n\nMy theory that he is blackmailing everyone from the White House down with Area 51 malarky is still holding water...",
">\n\nLet us all start committing crimes and see how that goes, this is bs",
">\n\nSuch bs. I knew he would sleeze his way out of any consequences for his actions. This will only embolden him & his lunatic followers. He incites a riot that kills people & gets away with it. If any of us incited a riot, we would still be in jail & if people died during the riot, we would be charged with murder as well. So sick & tired of the double standard when it comes to a president who breaks the law & walks away, just like nixon did.",
">\n\nshould not have dropped\nshould have referred it to doj for contempt of congress...\nwhite rich continue to get a pass for what the rest of us would have long ago been prosecuted and imprisoned...",
">\n\nThey already referred him to DOJ for obstruction of a govt proceeding last week. What are you talking about?",
">\n\nYeah, because why would you want to subpoena the guy who was completely responsible for the entire thing?\nThe Chuck Schumer neoliberals have engineered this to completely let Trump get away with it - because they think the Republicans are still their friends and they don't want to piss them off!",
">\n\nThey subpoenaed trump months ago. He declined to show. Since, investigation is over, they dropped it. This is not even really news worthy.",
">\n\nHalf the people in this thread have no idea what they're talking about and are confusing the subpoena with the criminal referral.",
">\n\nOh, is that what's going on? Lol. I was wondering why ppl are making a big deal about this. This is just the committee cleaning up loose ends.",
">\n\nIt's a big deal if someone who's now a private citizen, can do wtf he wants and ignore a Congressional subpoena.",
">\n\nIt takes votes by congress to hold in contempt. They didn't need trump's testimony. He would just show up and repeat I plead the 5th anyway. Pence ignored his, too. It's pointless to hold them in contempt and get off focus of actual investigation.",
">\n\nYou're proving my point. Congressional Democrats should have enforced the subpoena and made Trump plead the 5th to every question. Imagine if Pence also appeared and pled the 5th to every question. That is political magic for the Democrats, it makes them look guilty as hell.\nTrump committed a crime, and this is America. It should be the same as if I committed a crime. We would get arrested, taken to jail until the morning, see a judge and face our charges, and then either get released on OR, held for trial, or bail set. It's not much of a democracy if laws are not enforced against powerful people.",
">\n\nOnce you all realize this is just a game and you’re the pawn things will make a lot more sense.",
">\n\nNow hear him cry about never getting a chance to testify when he’s charged.",
">\n\nI see this less as a “you’re excused” and more of a “see you in court”",
">\n\nNo need to bother with it when they've already finished their work. The only thing that testimony would have accomplished would have been getting Trump to look bad on national television, and a potential perjury charge. Trump already has embarrassed himself in public in a massive way since then, and they have bigger crimes to recommend to the DOJ for prosecution.",
">\n\nThe moment they announced the subpoena everyone got a hard on that trump would have to talk. I said it then and I’ll say it again, trump will never have to face any punishment and he doesn’t have to comply to any law or rules. They’re all more suggestions instead of laws.",
">\n\nWhat a waste of fucking time",
">\n\nSo......this was a big fat waste of time and money?",
">\n\nI mean they made a criminal referral so, no? The committee wasn’t set up to solely investigate Dolt 45 and took the testimony of over a thousand people, why is it you believe withdrawing one subpoena because the committee is winding down renders the entire process a “waste of time and money.”",
">\n\nNo mention on CNN that they dropped the subpoena after a year of January 6 January 6 January 6 terrible news station",
">\n\nWell, it’s being run by a Republican so go figure",
">\n\nTalk about the wheels of justice turning slow. In this case reversing altogether. Well done.",
">\n\nI wish this surprised me.",
">\n\nLOL God this is so funny\nWhat the fuck did y'all expect if you have money you are above the law. It only applies to the poor and those who step on the toes of capital.",
">\n\nWhat a waste of money",
">\n\n...And a Happy New Year!",
">\n\nClassic",
">\n\nShocking",
">\n\nOur governing body are a bunch of cowards. The US is being safeguarded by self-interested Congresspersons who speak about accountability and act on cowardice.",
">\n\nLet's be honest he'll get away with everything with a slap on the wrist. This country won't prosecute a sitting or former president or high ranking politician, we've seen this over and over. The whole committee is sadly a publicity stunt to gain traction for Democrat's. I hope I'm completely wrong of course and that this country will start to feel like it's a democracy.",
">\n\nThe coup is in effect.",
">\n\nI have a sad feeling this committee is going to end up like a fart in the wind",
">\n\nYou’re not wrong",
">\n\nWtf are you talking about?",
">\n\nHands",
">\n\nWho are you talking to? Lmao",
">\n\nWent out with a whimper. The most Democrat thing ever.\nWish the Dems would learn how to take the gloves off, at least they would have a shot against an opponent that has no problems filling their gloves with lead shot. Then bragging about it.",
">\n\nThe subpoena, and associated contempt charges would be nothing when compared to the recommendations made by the committee to the DOJ. Whether or not the DOJ will act is all that matters at this point.",
">\n\nPathetic pieces of shit",
">\n\nAll theatre, all the time. Seems like by now, to most people, that somehow being trolled by their favorite elected might be possible.",
">\n\nSo wait, he just gets away with everything? Just like that?\nWhat about all the articles saying that Trump will most likely spend the rest of his life in prison?",
">\n\nThe subpoena has nothing to do with the recommendations made by the committee to the DOJ. The ball is in the DOJ’s court. The subpoena doesn’t impact anything. Absurd that he didn’t get held in contempt, but that is more of a distraction than anything.",
">\n\nI see. Thanks for explaining!",
">\n\nCan anyone explain why he was not arrested for not responding to the subpoena? I thought you had to respond to these?",
">\n\nFirst they would have had to vote for contempt. Then they would need to issue a referral to DOJ, then DOJ would need to consider it. That is not happening in a week before the new congress is sworn in an this committee expires. They have issued their report and no longer need to speak to him. That is why it was withdrawn. Their job is done.",
">\n\nSubpoenas are real, or they’re not.\nIn the real world if any person defied or ignored a subpoena they would be arrested immediately.\nWhy are some Americans allowed to break the law in broad daylight.",
">\n\nWhy is the DOJ dragging its feet in charging anyone?",
">\n\nDOJ has charged over 700 people out of January 6 and they continue to charge cases. Most of these cases took months if not years to come to fruition.\nAt the end of the day DOJ has no obligation to act on any of the committee’s referrals, although I believe they already have ongoing investigations as to several of the subjects. If anything new comes out of the committee’s work it’s unlikely to happen soon.",
">\n\nThe US is beyond broken. The wealthy can do whatever they want while we are the only ones who face consequences. I can’t wait to leave this shithole again. I won’t be making the mistake of coming back like I did last year.",
">\n\nSuch a farce",
">\n\nBut he wanted to appear!!",
">\n\nThe walls are closing in.",
">\n\nOk, people. Quit guilt-edging and go home.",
">\n\nWait so what is Trump a dastardly super villain who keeps getting away or a dumb oaf. You guys just can't decide.",
">\n\nI can’t wait until nothing happens!\nHas it happened yet?",
">\n\n“All animals are equal but some animals are more equal than others.” \nHey, do you think Reddit will ever reach a state of Nirvana where it will stop claiming “Trump is really sweating now!”?",
">\n\nDoes this not set some sort of precedence? If I now get subpoenaed for something can I not just point to Trump/Barr/Holder and say “no thank you”?"
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The subpoena was issued quite some time ago wasn’t it? And he just flat refused. Were Barr and Holder’s also withdrawn?
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"So far Trump's legal strategy of ignoring calls for accountability until Republicans in Congress can bail him out is workingly flawlessly.",
">\n\nThat doesn’t mean the DoJ can’t charge and prosecute. \nRight now everything is in response to republicans getting their slim majority in the house and lessen the damage they will do.\nThat said, they still have the mountain of evidence they did gather",
">\n\nWhat about when the AG/DOJ is a GOP appointee? You don’t think they’ll just put in a Bill Barr type on the entire thing?",
">\n\nNot while they have a democratic president and especially when the previous president lost them the midterms.\nThey were already planning on replacing trump with Desantes by equating the 2 (Martha’s Vineyard was part of that), they’re only gonna lose trying to put their party’s future on the line protect him further.\nThey gonna continue to spread doubt and try to discredit the investigations, but they’re barely holding onto a branch of government, they’re not stupid. Barr only worked because they held onto 2",
">\n\nUmmm that’s not what I meant. If a GOP candidate for President wins in 2024 , what are the actual legal implications. It’s not like it’s below them to interfere like they did with the collusion charges",
">\n\n\nThe House January 6 committee is withdrawing its subpoena of former President Donald Trump as it concludes its work.\n“In light of the imminent end of our investigation, the Select Committee can no longer pursue the specific information covered by the subpoena,” Chairman Bennie Thompson, a Mississippi Democrat, wrote in a letter to Trump’s attorney Wednesday obtained by CNN.\n“Therefore, through this letter, I hereby formally withdraw the subpoena issued to former President Trump, and notify you that he is no longer obligated to comply or produce records in response to said subpoena,” Thompson added.",
">\n\nConclusion: Former president Trump is above the law.",
">\n\nYeah kind of makes me sad. Trump can just ignore a subpoena, with zero consequences. \n“We believe you tried to overthrow the government. You are legally required to come talk to us about it.”\n“No thanks.”\n“Oh. Ok, never mind.”",
">\n\nNo consequences? He's has been referred to the DOJ for obstruction of a govt processing last week. They held a recorded vote.",
">\n\nThat’s not a consequence. It’s kicking the can. Trump will never, ever be held responsible for his role in destroying democracy in America.",
">\n\nThis is not TV or a movie. \"The wheels of justice grind slowly yet exceedingly fine\" is a saying for a reason. Federal investigations usually take years.",
">\n\nHe’s been investigated for years. No consequences. Just special appointments, investigations, and referrals. In the mean time, you know who DOES face consequences?\nAmerica.",
">\n\nYou are judging the end of the movie before it is over.\nThe previous investigations were being done while he had the shield of the presidency and an attorney general running obstruction for him. None of that is true now.",
">\n\nThe GOP will continue fighting on his behalf, because the majority are complicit in 45’s fuckery. Again, no consequences will be had. I’m willing to wager a gift card to your favorite local restaurant that he will live fat, rich, and free until at least the 2024/25 inauguration. Save this post.",
">\n\nWe'll see about that. I'll admit to the loss if thats the case.",
">\n\nMore proof that we the people have no rights in comparison to the billionaire ticks.",
">\n\nDude ain't no billionaire",
">\n\nNo, but his buddies are.",
">\n\nHis puppet masters maybe",
">\n\nI mean, who would have thought not starting the fight sooner would end like this?",
">\n\nDon’t worry. He’s got so many more coming.",
">\n\nThe idea that Trump will pay any price for his crimes is a fantasy.",
">\n\nIt’s actually happening. His company has been found guilty. His charity is closed. His cohorts are about to go to jail. His popularity sagging. Protection is gone. We just need the first indictment.",
">\n\nBut none is him",
">\n\nWell Trump Org is pretty much him but be patient.",
">\n\nDrops in the bucket. \nBeen patient for like 6 years now. How much more we gotta wait?",
">\n\nHe couldn’t be prosecuted while president. Watch GA and the special prosecutor. They’re moving fast.",
">\n\nCouldn't be?\nShould have been.",
">\n\nThat’s absolutely wild that any man is able to just straight up ignore a subpoena with zero consequences. Definition of “above the law”. If he gets away with this, he is going to be more dangerous than ever. You get away with leading a coup/insurrection, you’re going to assume you can get away with literally anything. \nMaybe trump was right… he really could shoot someone in the middle of 5th avenue and not lose any voters…and also probably not even get in trouble",
">\n\nSerious questions...so the committee pull the subpoena, but it's up to DOJ for any additional follow up, but when the new congress is in session they can tell DOJ to drop everything? Is that how's its going to go down? Because I thought DOJ is supposed to be independent once given the committee's findings?",
">\n\nThe DOJ is certainly independent of Congress. As for the committee - the only thing they would've done differently was vote on a criminal referral for contempt of Congress. Although there is some truth to congressional contempt needing to stem from congress, The DOJ has no obligation to act on a referral - it is more akin to a recommendation.\nWith that being said, the committee knew it wasn't going to serve any real benefit, so they decided not to.\n\nThe DOJ decided not to prosecute Meadows and Scavino for contempt due to their close ties to the executive. This pretty much ruled out any chance of it happening to Trump, a former President. \nEven a completely successful referral (Steve Bannon) showed how inconsequential Congressional subpoena power is. For one, it is a misdemeanor. It has been ~15 months since Bannon was referred, and he was found guilty and sentenced, and he is still a free man pending appeal. And even if upheld, it's only 4 months in prison as just shy of maximum sentencing guidelines. \nThe DOJ, if they prosecute, are aiming at much bigger crimes - notably Obstruction of an Official Proceeding, which carries up to 20 years. And they'd be potentially trying these crimes in the same jurisdiction.\n\nSo I'm sure the calculation was that it just wasn't worth throwing a referral at the DOJ for something they'd never follow up on, and wouldn't be much benefit if they did.",
">\n\nIn summary, he’s committed so many crimes that this one isn’t worth any effort",
">\n\nEssentially, yeah. The DOJ has two big chances to secure a conviction: Mar-A-Lago and Jan. 6 - and they will likely bring multiple charges in a D.C. court if they decide to prosecute. Mar-A-Lago will come first, which has virtually nothing to do with this committee's work.\nReferring a misdemeanor to tack onto 4 serious felonies they referred probably only risked muddying the larger offenses. Can't blame them honestly.",
">\n\nWhat is “Mar a Lago” in this context! The tax scheme? Classified documents?",
">\n\nThe classified documents",
">\n\nSmall point but they weren't all classified and don't need to be, for what he did to be illegal. Just trying to avoid republican framing.",
">\n\nHillary was not afraid to testify every time she was asked (and testified for hours and hours each time, answering all questions asked) and never took the 5th. Yet republicans act like she is the criminal when it always has been trump.",
">\n\nEven if she was wrong she was smarter than any of the R in the room. That woman was a machine during those hearings and gave them nothing to work with.",
">\n\nShe is definitely smarter than that barrel of monkeys who questioned her, but ultimately, there was nothing to get from her - the perfect opposite case of crimey benedict donald and his co-conspirators.",
">\n\nIt's interesting to see that people think this subpoena would have continued to exist past Jan 3, 2023 given that that's when ALL open subpoenas from the outgoing congress expire and become null and void. Even if the J6 committee continued to exist- they would be required to file a brand new one in the new session.",
">\n\nIt wouldn't be that hard to file a brand new subpoena, they have lawyers who work full-time for them. That isn't an obstacle.",
">\n\nExcept for the committee doesn't exist in the new Congress and they have no powers to do anything if they don't exist.",
">\n\nIt's easy to get the two confused a lot of times.",
">\n\nHow many of y'all actually thought he wasn't going to run out the clock? \nNothing will fundamentally change.",
">\n\nNobody. The “justice takes time” chorus that dominated the narrative was only here to quell social unrest so society didn’t take a dive while the rich mocked us from their golden pedestals.",
">\n\nSerious question: Why? So what if the Dems lose power in the Congress. Let the Republicans be the one to formally dismantle the committee and subpoena on record. Then when hopefully Trump is charged by the DOJ, dems have another talking point for 2024 that the Republicans hate law and order and protect mob bosses.",
">\n\nThe select committee expires at the end of the congressional session. So they do not need to question him because the committee will not exist.",
">\n\nBut what is the point of formally withdrawing the subpoena? What does it accomplish?",
">\n\nThe committee is over. They have issued the report, they are closing up shop. They are following the process. A secondary part of the committees job was to show how a REAL congressional hearing should be handled. None of that sloppy ass grandstanding they did for Benghazi",
">\n\nMy viewpoint is that Trump and the GOP are just going to use this as “proof” that he did nothing wrong. Remember how the Mueller report “exonerated” Trump? His base believes this shit wholeheartedly and I guarantee he will use this as “evidence” for his innocence.\nShowing how things SHOULD be handled instead of taking whatever measures needed to protect Americans lead to Jan 6th happening in the first place. We all know how things should be handled, how the rules should work, but one side is willing to do whatever they need to keep power and the other is getting walked over.\nIs taking the high road worth letting fascism into our government?",
">\n\nIt’s good to know that republicans are allowed to ignore subpoenas. That’s useful info for them. Don’t expect dems to get that treatment",
">\n\nThey dropped the ball in not issuing one a couple of months ago",
">\n\nActually the Democrats have done everything not to ever pick up the ball even once. They let trump appointed republicans appoint a republican special counsel to fall like a straw man to blatant obstruction in the Russia probe. They turned it into a fundraiser for campaigning. \nThis time they let liz Cheney take the reins, who was able to preserve her republican prerogatives throughout this entire ordeal. \nThe fact is that you're all being cucked by forces of controlled opposition and I'm apparently the only one in the world who can't be so easily mitigated.\nI can't depend on any of you anymore than you can depend on yourselves.",
">\n\nYou lost all credibility at the end when you said cuck and act like you’re the smartest person in the world. Be gone!",
">\n\nYeah, I don't know how anyone can be expected to be taken seriously using that whole sentence unironically.",
">\n\nI don't expect to be taken seriously whether I say it or not, yet the facts remain as I've described.",
">\n\nI didn’t see that coming, said absolutely no one.",
">\n\nWhy.",
">\n\nHUGE mistake. The committee will be dissolved by the GOPers in a couple weeks, and all this did was to give the Marmalade Moses another fake victory to rile up his lemmings.",
">\n\nIt’s funny because I say the same thing every time about trump never getting charged and I always get shit about it like BUT NO THIS TIME IS DIFFERENT. \nLmao right. Sure it is.",
">\n\nFucking same. This is just more “ammo” for his orange, shit spewing mouth.",
">\n\nThis guy is still getting more media coverage than the current potus two years into his term. Crazy.",
">\n\nIt does blow that he wasn't forced to comply with the subpoena but for people thinking what a bummer this seems like, the house is switching to a republican majority in like a week so it didn't make a whole lot of sense to leave an active subpoena on record knowing it would never be resolved. They likely knew he wasn't going to comply when it was issued only now its offical that it was officially issued, ignored by trump, and terminated. Who knows if the DOJ will eventually file but everyone pretty much already knew that little temper tantrum trump wasn't going to aid in his own house sedition investigation.",
">\n\nIf we restrict ourselves to the issue of compliance with a subpoena from this committee, then the recent election clearly mooted every aspect of penalties or consequences related to ignoring the subpoena.\nIt's like a big brother was called over and little bro wanted him to force his adversary to bow and kiss the ground. But by the time big bro finally wanders over, the kid goes \"nah... we're good.\"\nA lot of folk like to believe contempt of court or contempt of congress is like any other crime where you do the deed and have to face the punishment. But, in general, these things do not work like crimes. Even where contempt has been codified such that there is a criminal contempt aspect, the goal remains to seek or to force compliance. This leads to \"punishments\" which are better or worse depending on how you view things. A simple view is that you could be \"sentenced\" to indefinite incarceration because it's a \"jailed until compliance\" thing.\nIn this case, Congress has been very, very reticent to try to use their inherent power to jail someone. So the most they ever do these days is refer the case to the DoJ to pursue criminal contempt of congress.\nAll in all, is this a \"good\" thing? Maybe it's not as bad as we feel it to be. Imagine any sort of argument where someone demands you do something. You retort \"are you sure?\" Bystanders urge folk cool down and think about it. Map that into the way Congress changes every two years and you get a sense that unless something is important enough that it remains after the public alters the composition of the legislative branch, maybe it's not all that important (to the public) after all.\nOn the other hand, why would anyone fear Congress when they demonstrate time and again there never really are any consequences for refusal to comply with subpoenas? But... do we want to quake in fear whenever some nutjob party gains control and enacts something as dire as the Committee on Unamerican Activities?",
">\n\nWhat is the advantage of dropping the subpoena, as opposed to just letting it expire/letting the new congress withdraw it? Why go on record saying he no longer has to come in? I get that he was never going to show, I’m just curious why this is better than the alternative.",
">\n\nI’m wondering this too. There has to be a good reason.",
">\n\n?? Why, like it had no power, but still why? This looks like weakness",
">\n\nThe subpoena expires when the new congress is sworn in on Jan 3rd. There was no practical way to enforce it.",
">\n\nWhy not just let it expire?\nNow Republicans have a talking point that the January 6th Committee withdrew their subpoena.\nThey'll use it to muddy the waters and spread more misinformation.",
">\n\nThey already had their talking points. They've had them the whole time. They already released a \"counter report\" to the J6 committee. The committee withdrew it because they are closing up shop. The report is out. Where would Donnie's answers go?",
">\n\nWhy was he not charged with contempt for no show? Once again, he gets let off for bad behaviour",
">\n\nBecause they referred him for 4 much more serious crimes with longer sentences. Referring him for this is essentially pointless.",
">\n\nYes, but i see it as another nail in the coffin, and also sends a message that subpoenas are not to be ignored",
">\n\nImagine if you or I tried to just ignore a subpoena.",
">\n\nIt’s OK if you’re a Republican, as the war criminal’s daughter who voted in line with Trump’s policies during her House tenure can attest.",
">\n\nAnother instance of unequal justice under the law, imo. If you or I disregarded a subpoena from Congress we'd be going to jail...like Steve Bannon.",
">\n\nDrag it out, do nothing, repeat. Glad the J6 group produced a ton of info and exposed a lot of the bs but what's the point of nothing really happens? Media circus? I'm so tired.",
">\n\nGreat precedent. It's good to know if I'm ever subpoenaed by congress I can just ignore it.",
">\n\nJ6 knew he'd puss out and just wanted to get it on the record. And for the same reason they haven't gone after Meadows for ignoring his subpoena, are all of the other serious crimes hanging over him and the orange Traitor in Chief, especially now, the subpoenas aren't worth the time and effort.",
">\n\n\nAnd for the same reason they haven't gone after Meadows for ignoring his subpoena\n\nTo be fair... the House voted him in criminal contempt and sent the referral to that to the DoJ. There wasn't really anything they could do beyond that with respect to his subpoena (yes, inherent contempt in theory exists, in practice it would have been useless for multiple reasons).\nMeadows is also included in the big criminal referrals the committee issued as part of their report as well.",
">\n\nAs usual, this country’s justice system is a joke",
">\n\nThis was a subpoena issued by the congress, not DOJ. He would be arrested if this was subpoena by DOJ and he didn’t show.",
">\n\nLike I said lol this country’s justice system is a joke",
">\n\nBut the justice system has not been involved yet!!! Congressional hearing is not an example of the justice system. The congress has referred the case to the DOJ or “the justice system” as a result of their hearing. DOJ will pursue a criminal investigation and pursue charges. \nJudiciary (justice system as you call it), congress, and executive branches are constitutionally separate and independent to ensure checks and balances.\nJustice system in the US is not ideal, but this specific instance is not an example of these inefficiencies. This is an example of how the congress has been ineffective in doing their legislative actions. In this instance the correct statement would be “Legislative system in this country is a joke.” Justice system has not had a chance to show its incompetence yet. That will be next.",
">\n\nNaive of you to think this is anything more than a show they’re putting on. Nothing will come of it, democrats are by nature pussies let’s be real. None have any teeth or claws. The right is full of a bunch of tribalistic monkeys, party is apparently more important than country. I guess I can rephrase, besides making money and being the best business in the world, America is a joke.",
">\n\n\"OMG. I'm so outraged by this even though I have no idea why.\"\nIt'd be nice if you guys learned the difference between the subpoena and the criminal referral. trump was never going to show up for the subpoena especially since the GOP is about to take control. It's a completely moot point.",
">\n\nExactly. The committee already referred him to the DoJ on criminal charges. Everyone is acting like they're just taking their ball and going home. They already went well and beyond a mere subpoena here, and one of the charges that they're recommending is obstruction already.",
">\n\nAren’t subpoenas mandatory with consequences? Either you show up or go to jail. Trump did neither.",
">\n\nNot if you are rich. Laws are you only for the the lower 90%",
">\n\nThis is such bullshit.",
">\n\nAnother precedent set for rich criminals to not comply. If we citizens didn’t show we’d be at a black site with electrodes on our genitals.",
">\n\nThey should have charged Trump with contempt of Congress.",
">\n\nSo whens the next uprising on behalf of rich people? Just be sure you're actually a political player because if you're just a worker you'll be charged. Chess has really changed over the past hundred years.",
">\n\nTotally expected. \nTrump, the really TV star, said he'd only agree to answer the subpoena if it were live & televised. It's quite obvious the reason is that he'd ignore the questioning & use the free air time to spew his BS, much like in the Presidential debates. \nAnd I'm sure the incoming Republican House would have loved to have given him the opportunity",
">\n\nyeah kinda moot at this point , they already made those criminal referrals anyways lol i wish they would have perused charging him for not showing up however but maybe they figured in light of everything they should focus on the key issues and at this point whatever he had to say really doesnt matter anyways as he would just lie. his testimony would pretty much be useless. its still a shame we didnt get to see it just for historys sake lol",
">\n\nAl trump would do is take the 5th like any other ordinary criminal",
">\n\nSo far as things have gone, will it now be ok for Democrats to ignore all the subpoenas that this next R House is going to send around? I’d think so….",
">\n\nOur government has failed us.... Good luck everyone.",
">\n\nAh yes the criminal Justice system, quite possibly the longest running joke in America",
">\n\n& you just know the cheeto will say something like, ha!, they dropped the subpoena cause they knew I am innocent, or some 💩 like that",
">\n\nNo surprise there. Trump is above the law, as he has proven time and again, over and over throughout the last several years. \nI will be surprised if anything comes out of this investigation, at all. \nI will be surprised if the next republican president isn't worse than Trump. \nI mean seriously, how do they convict him of anything if they can't even call him for questioning. Ever heard of anyone, ever, to get convicted of a crime that didn't have to talk to investigators at some point? \nFuck America. Fuck Trump. And fuck the pussy ass people who refuse to do their fucking job.",
">\n\nThey dropped it because it wasn't necessary and would have given him a national platform needlessly. DOJ will pass to the special council which will bring formal charges, if any will be brought.",
">\n\nThis is actually heartbreaking. Seen a lot of politicians and people of note show time and time again that the rules for EVERY CITIZEN don’t apply to them and this stings just a little more",
">\n\nMy theory that he is blackmailing everyone from the White House down with Area 51 malarky is still holding water...",
">\n\nLet us all start committing crimes and see how that goes, this is bs",
">\n\nSuch bs. I knew he would sleeze his way out of any consequences for his actions. This will only embolden him & his lunatic followers. He incites a riot that kills people & gets away with it. If any of us incited a riot, we would still be in jail & if people died during the riot, we would be charged with murder as well. So sick & tired of the double standard when it comes to a president who breaks the law & walks away, just like nixon did.",
">\n\nshould not have dropped\nshould have referred it to doj for contempt of congress...\nwhite rich continue to get a pass for what the rest of us would have long ago been prosecuted and imprisoned...",
">\n\nThey already referred him to DOJ for obstruction of a govt proceeding last week. What are you talking about?",
">\n\nYeah, because why would you want to subpoena the guy who was completely responsible for the entire thing?\nThe Chuck Schumer neoliberals have engineered this to completely let Trump get away with it - because they think the Republicans are still their friends and they don't want to piss them off!",
">\n\nThey subpoenaed trump months ago. He declined to show. Since, investigation is over, they dropped it. This is not even really news worthy.",
">\n\nHalf the people in this thread have no idea what they're talking about and are confusing the subpoena with the criminal referral.",
">\n\nOh, is that what's going on? Lol. I was wondering why ppl are making a big deal about this. This is just the committee cleaning up loose ends.",
">\n\nIt's a big deal if someone who's now a private citizen, can do wtf he wants and ignore a Congressional subpoena.",
">\n\nIt takes votes by congress to hold in contempt. They didn't need trump's testimony. He would just show up and repeat I plead the 5th anyway. Pence ignored his, too. It's pointless to hold them in contempt and get off focus of actual investigation.",
">\n\nYou're proving my point. Congressional Democrats should have enforced the subpoena and made Trump plead the 5th to every question. Imagine if Pence also appeared and pled the 5th to every question. That is political magic for the Democrats, it makes them look guilty as hell.\nTrump committed a crime, and this is America. It should be the same as if I committed a crime. We would get arrested, taken to jail until the morning, see a judge and face our charges, and then either get released on OR, held for trial, or bail set. It's not much of a democracy if laws are not enforced against powerful people.",
">\n\nOnce you all realize this is just a game and you’re the pawn things will make a lot more sense.",
">\n\nNow hear him cry about never getting a chance to testify when he’s charged.",
">\n\nI see this less as a “you’re excused” and more of a “see you in court”",
">\n\nNo need to bother with it when they've already finished their work. The only thing that testimony would have accomplished would have been getting Trump to look bad on national television, and a potential perjury charge. Trump already has embarrassed himself in public in a massive way since then, and they have bigger crimes to recommend to the DOJ for prosecution.",
">\n\nThe moment they announced the subpoena everyone got a hard on that trump would have to talk. I said it then and I’ll say it again, trump will never have to face any punishment and he doesn’t have to comply to any law or rules. They’re all more suggestions instead of laws.",
">\n\nWhat a waste of fucking time",
">\n\nSo......this was a big fat waste of time and money?",
">\n\nI mean they made a criminal referral so, no? The committee wasn’t set up to solely investigate Dolt 45 and took the testimony of over a thousand people, why is it you believe withdrawing one subpoena because the committee is winding down renders the entire process a “waste of time and money.”",
">\n\nNo mention on CNN that they dropped the subpoena after a year of January 6 January 6 January 6 terrible news station",
">\n\nWell, it’s being run by a Republican so go figure",
">\n\nTalk about the wheels of justice turning slow. In this case reversing altogether. Well done.",
">\n\nI wish this surprised me.",
">\n\nLOL God this is so funny\nWhat the fuck did y'all expect if you have money you are above the law. It only applies to the poor and those who step on the toes of capital.",
">\n\nWhat a waste of money",
">\n\n...And a Happy New Year!",
">\n\nClassic",
">\n\nShocking",
">\n\nOur governing body are a bunch of cowards. The US is being safeguarded by self-interested Congresspersons who speak about accountability and act on cowardice.",
">\n\nLet's be honest he'll get away with everything with a slap on the wrist. This country won't prosecute a sitting or former president or high ranking politician, we've seen this over and over. The whole committee is sadly a publicity stunt to gain traction for Democrat's. I hope I'm completely wrong of course and that this country will start to feel like it's a democracy.",
">\n\nThe coup is in effect.",
">\n\nI have a sad feeling this committee is going to end up like a fart in the wind",
">\n\nYou’re not wrong",
">\n\nWtf are you talking about?",
">\n\nHands",
">\n\nWho are you talking to? Lmao",
">\n\nWent out with a whimper. The most Democrat thing ever.\nWish the Dems would learn how to take the gloves off, at least they would have a shot against an opponent that has no problems filling their gloves with lead shot. Then bragging about it.",
">\n\nThe subpoena, and associated contempt charges would be nothing when compared to the recommendations made by the committee to the DOJ. Whether or not the DOJ will act is all that matters at this point.",
">\n\nPathetic pieces of shit",
">\n\nAll theatre, all the time. Seems like by now, to most people, that somehow being trolled by their favorite elected might be possible.",
">\n\nSo wait, he just gets away with everything? Just like that?\nWhat about all the articles saying that Trump will most likely spend the rest of his life in prison?",
">\n\nThe subpoena has nothing to do with the recommendations made by the committee to the DOJ. The ball is in the DOJ’s court. The subpoena doesn’t impact anything. Absurd that he didn’t get held in contempt, but that is more of a distraction than anything.",
">\n\nI see. Thanks for explaining!",
">\n\nCan anyone explain why he was not arrested for not responding to the subpoena? I thought you had to respond to these?",
">\n\nFirst they would have had to vote for contempt. Then they would need to issue a referral to DOJ, then DOJ would need to consider it. That is not happening in a week before the new congress is sworn in an this committee expires. They have issued their report and no longer need to speak to him. That is why it was withdrawn. Their job is done.",
">\n\nSubpoenas are real, or they’re not.\nIn the real world if any person defied or ignored a subpoena they would be arrested immediately.\nWhy are some Americans allowed to break the law in broad daylight.",
">\n\nWhy is the DOJ dragging its feet in charging anyone?",
">\n\nDOJ has charged over 700 people out of January 6 and they continue to charge cases. Most of these cases took months if not years to come to fruition.\nAt the end of the day DOJ has no obligation to act on any of the committee’s referrals, although I believe they already have ongoing investigations as to several of the subjects. If anything new comes out of the committee’s work it’s unlikely to happen soon.",
">\n\nThe US is beyond broken. The wealthy can do whatever they want while we are the only ones who face consequences. I can’t wait to leave this shithole again. I won’t be making the mistake of coming back like I did last year.",
">\n\nSuch a farce",
">\n\nBut he wanted to appear!!",
">\n\nThe walls are closing in.",
">\n\nOk, people. Quit guilt-edging and go home.",
">\n\nWait so what is Trump a dastardly super villain who keeps getting away or a dumb oaf. You guys just can't decide.",
">\n\nI can’t wait until nothing happens!\nHas it happened yet?",
">\n\n“All animals are equal but some animals are more equal than others.” \nHey, do you think Reddit will ever reach a state of Nirvana where it will stop claiming “Trump is really sweating now!”?",
">\n\nDoes this not set some sort of precedence? If I now get subpoenaed for something can I not just point to Trump/Barr/Holder and say “no thank you”?",
">\n\nWithdrawing a subpoena sets no precedent and is not at all uncommon."
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I saw the headline and thought the committee dropped a subpoena the way you drop an album. Then I read the article and saw that they dropped it like you drop an extra filler track from an album.
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"So far Trump's legal strategy of ignoring calls for accountability until Republicans in Congress can bail him out is workingly flawlessly.",
">\n\nThat doesn’t mean the DoJ can’t charge and prosecute. \nRight now everything is in response to republicans getting their slim majority in the house and lessen the damage they will do.\nThat said, they still have the mountain of evidence they did gather",
">\n\nWhat about when the AG/DOJ is a GOP appointee? You don’t think they’ll just put in a Bill Barr type on the entire thing?",
">\n\nNot while they have a democratic president and especially when the previous president lost them the midterms.\nThey were already planning on replacing trump with Desantes by equating the 2 (Martha’s Vineyard was part of that), they’re only gonna lose trying to put their party’s future on the line protect him further.\nThey gonna continue to spread doubt and try to discredit the investigations, but they’re barely holding onto a branch of government, they’re not stupid. Barr only worked because they held onto 2",
">\n\nUmmm that’s not what I meant. If a GOP candidate for President wins in 2024 , what are the actual legal implications. It’s not like it’s below them to interfere like they did with the collusion charges",
">\n\n\nThe House January 6 committee is withdrawing its subpoena of former President Donald Trump as it concludes its work.\n“In light of the imminent end of our investigation, the Select Committee can no longer pursue the specific information covered by the subpoena,” Chairman Bennie Thompson, a Mississippi Democrat, wrote in a letter to Trump’s attorney Wednesday obtained by CNN.\n“Therefore, through this letter, I hereby formally withdraw the subpoena issued to former President Trump, and notify you that he is no longer obligated to comply or produce records in response to said subpoena,” Thompson added.",
">\n\nConclusion: Former president Trump is above the law.",
">\n\nYeah kind of makes me sad. Trump can just ignore a subpoena, with zero consequences. \n“We believe you tried to overthrow the government. You are legally required to come talk to us about it.”\n“No thanks.”\n“Oh. Ok, never mind.”",
">\n\nNo consequences? He's has been referred to the DOJ for obstruction of a govt processing last week. They held a recorded vote.",
">\n\nThat’s not a consequence. It’s kicking the can. Trump will never, ever be held responsible for his role in destroying democracy in America.",
">\n\nThis is not TV or a movie. \"The wheels of justice grind slowly yet exceedingly fine\" is a saying for a reason. Federal investigations usually take years.",
">\n\nHe’s been investigated for years. No consequences. Just special appointments, investigations, and referrals. In the mean time, you know who DOES face consequences?\nAmerica.",
">\n\nYou are judging the end of the movie before it is over.\nThe previous investigations were being done while he had the shield of the presidency and an attorney general running obstruction for him. None of that is true now.",
">\n\nThe GOP will continue fighting on his behalf, because the majority are complicit in 45’s fuckery. Again, no consequences will be had. I’m willing to wager a gift card to your favorite local restaurant that he will live fat, rich, and free until at least the 2024/25 inauguration. Save this post.",
">\n\nWe'll see about that. I'll admit to the loss if thats the case.",
">\n\nMore proof that we the people have no rights in comparison to the billionaire ticks.",
">\n\nDude ain't no billionaire",
">\n\nNo, but his buddies are.",
">\n\nHis puppet masters maybe",
">\n\nI mean, who would have thought not starting the fight sooner would end like this?",
">\n\nDon’t worry. He’s got so many more coming.",
">\n\nThe idea that Trump will pay any price for his crimes is a fantasy.",
">\n\nIt’s actually happening. His company has been found guilty. His charity is closed. His cohorts are about to go to jail. His popularity sagging. Protection is gone. We just need the first indictment.",
">\n\nBut none is him",
">\n\nWell Trump Org is pretty much him but be patient.",
">\n\nDrops in the bucket. \nBeen patient for like 6 years now. How much more we gotta wait?",
">\n\nHe couldn’t be prosecuted while president. Watch GA and the special prosecutor. They’re moving fast.",
">\n\nCouldn't be?\nShould have been.",
">\n\nThat’s absolutely wild that any man is able to just straight up ignore a subpoena with zero consequences. Definition of “above the law”. If he gets away with this, he is going to be more dangerous than ever. You get away with leading a coup/insurrection, you’re going to assume you can get away with literally anything. \nMaybe trump was right… he really could shoot someone in the middle of 5th avenue and not lose any voters…and also probably not even get in trouble",
">\n\nSerious questions...so the committee pull the subpoena, but it's up to DOJ for any additional follow up, but when the new congress is in session they can tell DOJ to drop everything? Is that how's its going to go down? Because I thought DOJ is supposed to be independent once given the committee's findings?",
">\n\nThe DOJ is certainly independent of Congress. As for the committee - the only thing they would've done differently was vote on a criminal referral for contempt of Congress. Although there is some truth to congressional contempt needing to stem from congress, The DOJ has no obligation to act on a referral - it is more akin to a recommendation.\nWith that being said, the committee knew it wasn't going to serve any real benefit, so they decided not to.\n\nThe DOJ decided not to prosecute Meadows and Scavino for contempt due to their close ties to the executive. This pretty much ruled out any chance of it happening to Trump, a former President. \nEven a completely successful referral (Steve Bannon) showed how inconsequential Congressional subpoena power is. For one, it is a misdemeanor. It has been ~15 months since Bannon was referred, and he was found guilty and sentenced, and he is still a free man pending appeal. And even if upheld, it's only 4 months in prison as just shy of maximum sentencing guidelines. \nThe DOJ, if they prosecute, are aiming at much bigger crimes - notably Obstruction of an Official Proceeding, which carries up to 20 years. And they'd be potentially trying these crimes in the same jurisdiction.\n\nSo I'm sure the calculation was that it just wasn't worth throwing a referral at the DOJ for something they'd never follow up on, and wouldn't be much benefit if they did.",
">\n\nIn summary, he’s committed so many crimes that this one isn’t worth any effort",
">\n\nEssentially, yeah. The DOJ has two big chances to secure a conviction: Mar-A-Lago and Jan. 6 - and they will likely bring multiple charges in a D.C. court if they decide to prosecute. Mar-A-Lago will come first, which has virtually nothing to do with this committee's work.\nReferring a misdemeanor to tack onto 4 serious felonies they referred probably only risked muddying the larger offenses. Can't blame them honestly.",
">\n\nWhat is “Mar a Lago” in this context! The tax scheme? Classified documents?",
">\n\nThe classified documents",
">\n\nSmall point but they weren't all classified and don't need to be, for what he did to be illegal. Just trying to avoid republican framing.",
">\n\nHillary was not afraid to testify every time she was asked (and testified for hours and hours each time, answering all questions asked) and never took the 5th. Yet republicans act like she is the criminal when it always has been trump.",
">\n\nEven if she was wrong she was smarter than any of the R in the room. That woman was a machine during those hearings and gave them nothing to work with.",
">\n\nShe is definitely smarter than that barrel of monkeys who questioned her, but ultimately, there was nothing to get from her - the perfect opposite case of crimey benedict donald and his co-conspirators.",
">\n\nIt's interesting to see that people think this subpoena would have continued to exist past Jan 3, 2023 given that that's when ALL open subpoenas from the outgoing congress expire and become null and void. Even if the J6 committee continued to exist- they would be required to file a brand new one in the new session.",
">\n\nIt wouldn't be that hard to file a brand new subpoena, they have lawyers who work full-time for them. That isn't an obstacle.",
">\n\nExcept for the committee doesn't exist in the new Congress and they have no powers to do anything if they don't exist.",
">\n\nIt's easy to get the two confused a lot of times.",
">\n\nHow many of y'all actually thought he wasn't going to run out the clock? \nNothing will fundamentally change.",
">\n\nNobody. The “justice takes time” chorus that dominated the narrative was only here to quell social unrest so society didn’t take a dive while the rich mocked us from their golden pedestals.",
">\n\nSerious question: Why? So what if the Dems lose power in the Congress. Let the Republicans be the one to formally dismantle the committee and subpoena on record. Then when hopefully Trump is charged by the DOJ, dems have another talking point for 2024 that the Republicans hate law and order and protect mob bosses.",
">\n\nThe select committee expires at the end of the congressional session. So they do not need to question him because the committee will not exist.",
">\n\nBut what is the point of formally withdrawing the subpoena? What does it accomplish?",
">\n\nThe committee is over. They have issued the report, they are closing up shop. They are following the process. A secondary part of the committees job was to show how a REAL congressional hearing should be handled. None of that sloppy ass grandstanding they did for Benghazi",
">\n\nMy viewpoint is that Trump and the GOP are just going to use this as “proof” that he did nothing wrong. Remember how the Mueller report “exonerated” Trump? His base believes this shit wholeheartedly and I guarantee he will use this as “evidence” for his innocence.\nShowing how things SHOULD be handled instead of taking whatever measures needed to protect Americans lead to Jan 6th happening in the first place. We all know how things should be handled, how the rules should work, but one side is willing to do whatever they need to keep power and the other is getting walked over.\nIs taking the high road worth letting fascism into our government?",
">\n\nIt’s good to know that republicans are allowed to ignore subpoenas. That’s useful info for them. Don’t expect dems to get that treatment",
">\n\nThey dropped the ball in not issuing one a couple of months ago",
">\n\nActually the Democrats have done everything not to ever pick up the ball even once. They let trump appointed republicans appoint a republican special counsel to fall like a straw man to blatant obstruction in the Russia probe. They turned it into a fundraiser for campaigning. \nThis time they let liz Cheney take the reins, who was able to preserve her republican prerogatives throughout this entire ordeal. \nThe fact is that you're all being cucked by forces of controlled opposition and I'm apparently the only one in the world who can't be so easily mitigated.\nI can't depend on any of you anymore than you can depend on yourselves.",
">\n\nYou lost all credibility at the end when you said cuck and act like you’re the smartest person in the world. Be gone!",
">\n\nYeah, I don't know how anyone can be expected to be taken seriously using that whole sentence unironically.",
">\n\nI don't expect to be taken seriously whether I say it or not, yet the facts remain as I've described.",
">\n\nI didn’t see that coming, said absolutely no one.",
">\n\nWhy.",
">\n\nHUGE mistake. The committee will be dissolved by the GOPers in a couple weeks, and all this did was to give the Marmalade Moses another fake victory to rile up his lemmings.",
">\n\nIt’s funny because I say the same thing every time about trump never getting charged and I always get shit about it like BUT NO THIS TIME IS DIFFERENT. \nLmao right. Sure it is.",
">\n\nFucking same. This is just more “ammo” for his orange, shit spewing mouth.",
">\n\nThis guy is still getting more media coverage than the current potus two years into his term. Crazy.",
">\n\nIt does blow that he wasn't forced to comply with the subpoena but for people thinking what a bummer this seems like, the house is switching to a republican majority in like a week so it didn't make a whole lot of sense to leave an active subpoena on record knowing it would never be resolved. They likely knew he wasn't going to comply when it was issued only now its offical that it was officially issued, ignored by trump, and terminated. Who knows if the DOJ will eventually file but everyone pretty much already knew that little temper tantrum trump wasn't going to aid in his own house sedition investigation.",
">\n\nIf we restrict ourselves to the issue of compliance with a subpoena from this committee, then the recent election clearly mooted every aspect of penalties or consequences related to ignoring the subpoena.\nIt's like a big brother was called over and little bro wanted him to force his adversary to bow and kiss the ground. But by the time big bro finally wanders over, the kid goes \"nah... we're good.\"\nA lot of folk like to believe contempt of court or contempt of congress is like any other crime where you do the deed and have to face the punishment. But, in general, these things do not work like crimes. Even where contempt has been codified such that there is a criminal contempt aspect, the goal remains to seek or to force compliance. This leads to \"punishments\" which are better or worse depending on how you view things. A simple view is that you could be \"sentenced\" to indefinite incarceration because it's a \"jailed until compliance\" thing.\nIn this case, Congress has been very, very reticent to try to use their inherent power to jail someone. So the most they ever do these days is refer the case to the DoJ to pursue criminal contempt of congress.\nAll in all, is this a \"good\" thing? Maybe it's not as bad as we feel it to be. Imagine any sort of argument where someone demands you do something. You retort \"are you sure?\" Bystanders urge folk cool down and think about it. Map that into the way Congress changes every two years and you get a sense that unless something is important enough that it remains after the public alters the composition of the legislative branch, maybe it's not all that important (to the public) after all.\nOn the other hand, why would anyone fear Congress when they demonstrate time and again there never really are any consequences for refusal to comply with subpoenas? But... do we want to quake in fear whenever some nutjob party gains control and enacts something as dire as the Committee on Unamerican Activities?",
">\n\nWhat is the advantage of dropping the subpoena, as opposed to just letting it expire/letting the new congress withdraw it? Why go on record saying he no longer has to come in? I get that he was never going to show, I’m just curious why this is better than the alternative.",
">\n\nI’m wondering this too. There has to be a good reason.",
">\n\n?? Why, like it had no power, but still why? This looks like weakness",
">\n\nThe subpoena expires when the new congress is sworn in on Jan 3rd. There was no practical way to enforce it.",
">\n\nWhy not just let it expire?\nNow Republicans have a talking point that the January 6th Committee withdrew their subpoena.\nThey'll use it to muddy the waters and spread more misinformation.",
">\n\nThey already had their talking points. They've had them the whole time. They already released a \"counter report\" to the J6 committee. The committee withdrew it because they are closing up shop. The report is out. Where would Donnie's answers go?",
">\n\nWhy was he not charged with contempt for no show? Once again, he gets let off for bad behaviour",
">\n\nBecause they referred him for 4 much more serious crimes with longer sentences. Referring him for this is essentially pointless.",
">\n\nYes, but i see it as another nail in the coffin, and also sends a message that subpoenas are not to be ignored",
">\n\nImagine if you or I tried to just ignore a subpoena.",
">\n\nIt’s OK if you’re a Republican, as the war criminal’s daughter who voted in line with Trump’s policies during her House tenure can attest.",
">\n\nAnother instance of unequal justice under the law, imo. If you or I disregarded a subpoena from Congress we'd be going to jail...like Steve Bannon.",
">\n\nDrag it out, do nothing, repeat. Glad the J6 group produced a ton of info and exposed a lot of the bs but what's the point of nothing really happens? Media circus? I'm so tired.",
">\n\nGreat precedent. It's good to know if I'm ever subpoenaed by congress I can just ignore it.",
">\n\nJ6 knew he'd puss out and just wanted to get it on the record. And for the same reason they haven't gone after Meadows for ignoring his subpoena, are all of the other serious crimes hanging over him and the orange Traitor in Chief, especially now, the subpoenas aren't worth the time and effort.",
">\n\n\nAnd for the same reason they haven't gone after Meadows for ignoring his subpoena\n\nTo be fair... the House voted him in criminal contempt and sent the referral to that to the DoJ. There wasn't really anything they could do beyond that with respect to his subpoena (yes, inherent contempt in theory exists, in practice it would have been useless for multiple reasons).\nMeadows is also included in the big criminal referrals the committee issued as part of their report as well.",
">\n\nAs usual, this country’s justice system is a joke",
">\n\nThis was a subpoena issued by the congress, not DOJ. He would be arrested if this was subpoena by DOJ and he didn’t show.",
">\n\nLike I said lol this country’s justice system is a joke",
">\n\nBut the justice system has not been involved yet!!! Congressional hearing is not an example of the justice system. The congress has referred the case to the DOJ or “the justice system” as a result of their hearing. DOJ will pursue a criminal investigation and pursue charges. \nJudiciary (justice system as you call it), congress, and executive branches are constitutionally separate and independent to ensure checks and balances.\nJustice system in the US is not ideal, but this specific instance is not an example of these inefficiencies. This is an example of how the congress has been ineffective in doing their legislative actions. In this instance the correct statement would be “Legislative system in this country is a joke.” Justice system has not had a chance to show its incompetence yet. That will be next.",
">\n\nNaive of you to think this is anything more than a show they’re putting on. Nothing will come of it, democrats are by nature pussies let’s be real. None have any teeth or claws. The right is full of a bunch of tribalistic monkeys, party is apparently more important than country. I guess I can rephrase, besides making money and being the best business in the world, America is a joke.",
">\n\n\"OMG. I'm so outraged by this even though I have no idea why.\"\nIt'd be nice if you guys learned the difference between the subpoena and the criminal referral. trump was never going to show up for the subpoena especially since the GOP is about to take control. It's a completely moot point.",
">\n\nExactly. The committee already referred him to the DoJ on criminal charges. Everyone is acting like they're just taking their ball and going home. They already went well and beyond a mere subpoena here, and one of the charges that they're recommending is obstruction already.",
">\n\nAren’t subpoenas mandatory with consequences? Either you show up or go to jail. Trump did neither.",
">\n\nNot if you are rich. Laws are you only for the the lower 90%",
">\n\nThis is such bullshit.",
">\n\nAnother precedent set for rich criminals to not comply. If we citizens didn’t show we’d be at a black site with electrodes on our genitals.",
">\n\nThey should have charged Trump with contempt of Congress.",
">\n\nSo whens the next uprising on behalf of rich people? Just be sure you're actually a political player because if you're just a worker you'll be charged. Chess has really changed over the past hundred years.",
">\n\nTotally expected. \nTrump, the really TV star, said he'd only agree to answer the subpoena if it were live & televised. It's quite obvious the reason is that he'd ignore the questioning & use the free air time to spew his BS, much like in the Presidential debates. \nAnd I'm sure the incoming Republican House would have loved to have given him the opportunity",
">\n\nyeah kinda moot at this point , they already made those criminal referrals anyways lol i wish they would have perused charging him for not showing up however but maybe they figured in light of everything they should focus on the key issues and at this point whatever he had to say really doesnt matter anyways as he would just lie. his testimony would pretty much be useless. its still a shame we didnt get to see it just for historys sake lol",
">\n\nAl trump would do is take the 5th like any other ordinary criminal",
">\n\nSo far as things have gone, will it now be ok for Democrats to ignore all the subpoenas that this next R House is going to send around? I’d think so….",
">\n\nOur government has failed us.... Good luck everyone.",
">\n\nAh yes the criminal Justice system, quite possibly the longest running joke in America",
">\n\n& you just know the cheeto will say something like, ha!, they dropped the subpoena cause they knew I am innocent, or some 💩 like that",
">\n\nNo surprise there. Trump is above the law, as he has proven time and again, over and over throughout the last several years. \nI will be surprised if anything comes out of this investigation, at all. \nI will be surprised if the next republican president isn't worse than Trump. \nI mean seriously, how do they convict him of anything if they can't even call him for questioning. Ever heard of anyone, ever, to get convicted of a crime that didn't have to talk to investigators at some point? \nFuck America. Fuck Trump. And fuck the pussy ass people who refuse to do their fucking job.",
">\n\nThey dropped it because it wasn't necessary and would have given him a national platform needlessly. DOJ will pass to the special council which will bring formal charges, if any will be brought.",
">\n\nThis is actually heartbreaking. Seen a lot of politicians and people of note show time and time again that the rules for EVERY CITIZEN don’t apply to them and this stings just a little more",
">\n\nMy theory that he is blackmailing everyone from the White House down with Area 51 malarky is still holding water...",
">\n\nLet us all start committing crimes and see how that goes, this is bs",
">\n\nSuch bs. I knew he would sleeze his way out of any consequences for his actions. This will only embolden him & his lunatic followers. He incites a riot that kills people & gets away with it. If any of us incited a riot, we would still be in jail & if people died during the riot, we would be charged with murder as well. So sick & tired of the double standard when it comes to a president who breaks the law & walks away, just like nixon did.",
">\n\nshould not have dropped\nshould have referred it to doj for contempt of congress...\nwhite rich continue to get a pass for what the rest of us would have long ago been prosecuted and imprisoned...",
">\n\nThey already referred him to DOJ for obstruction of a govt proceeding last week. What are you talking about?",
">\n\nYeah, because why would you want to subpoena the guy who was completely responsible for the entire thing?\nThe Chuck Schumer neoliberals have engineered this to completely let Trump get away with it - because they think the Republicans are still their friends and they don't want to piss them off!",
">\n\nThey subpoenaed trump months ago. He declined to show. Since, investigation is over, they dropped it. This is not even really news worthy.",
">\n\nHalf the people in this thread have no idea what they're talking about and are confusing the subpoena with the criminal referral.",
">\n\nOh, is that what's going on? Lol. I was wondering why ppl are making a big deal about this. This is just the committee cleaning up loose ends.",
">\n\nIt's a big deal if someone who's now a private citizen, can do wtf he wants and ignore a Congressional subpoena.",
">\n\nIt takes votes by congress to hold in contempt. They didn't need trump's testimony. He would just show up and repeat I plead the 5th anyway. Pence ignored his, too. It's pointless to hold them in contempt and get off focus of actual investigation.",
">\n\nYou're proving my point. Congressional Democrats should have enforced the subpoena and made Trump plead the 5th to every question. Imagine if Pence also appeared and pled the 5th to every question. That is political magic for the Democrats, it makes them look guilty as hell.\nTrump committed a crime, and this is America. It should be the same as if I committed a crime. We would get arrested, taken to jail until the morning, see a judge and face our charges, and then either get released on OR, held for trial, or bail set. It's not much of a democracy if laws are not enforced against powerful people.",
">\n\nOnce you all realize this is just a game and you’re the pawn things will make a lot more sense.",
">\n\nNow hear him cry about never getting a chance to testify when he’s charged.",
">\n\nI see this less as a “you’re excused” and more of a “see you in court”",
">\n\nNo need to bother with it when they've already finished their work. The only thing that testimony would have accomplished would have been getting Trump to look bad on national television, and a potential perjury charge. Trump already has embarrassed himself in public in a massive way since then, and they have bigger crimes to recommend to the DOJ for prosecution.",
">\n\nThe moment they announced the subpoena everyone got a hard on that trump would have to talk. I said it then and I’ll say it again, trump will never have to face any punishment and he doesn’t have to comply to any law or rules. They’re all more suggestions instead of laws.",
">\n\nWhat a waste of fucking time",
">\n\nSo......this was a big fat waste of time and money?",
">\n\nI mean they made a criminal referral so, no? The committee wasn’t set up to solely investigate Dolt 45 and took the testimony of over a thousand people, why is it you believe withdrawing one subpoena because the committee is winding down renders the entire process a “waste of time and money.”",
">\n\nNo mention on CNN that they dropped the subpoena after a year of January 6 January 6 January 6 terrible news station",
">\n\nWell, it’s being run by a Republican so go figure",
">\n\nTalk about the wheels of justice turning slow. In this case reversing altogether. Well done.",
">\n\nI wish this surprised me.",
">\n\nLOL God this is so funny\nWhat the fuck did y'all expect if you have money you are above the law. It only applies to the poor and those who step on the toes of capital.",
">\n\nWhat a waste of money",
">\n\n...And a Happy New Year!",
">\n\nClassic",
">\n\nShocking",
">\n\nOur governing body are a bunch of cowards. The US is being safeguarded by self-interested Congresspersons who speak about accountability and act on cowardice.",
">\n\nLet's be honest he'll get away with everything with a slap on the wrist. This country won't prosecute a sitting or former president or high ranking politician, we've seen this over and over. The whole committee is sadly a publicity stunt to gain traction for Democrat's. I hope I'm completely wrong of course and that this country will start to feel like it's a democracy.",
">\n\nThe coup is in effect.",
">\n\nI have a sad feeling this committee is going to end up like a fart in the wind",
">\n\nYou’re not wrong",
">\n\nWtf are you talking about?",
">\n\nHands",
">\n\nWho are you talking to? Lmao",
">\n\nWent out with a whimper. The most Democrat thing ever.\nWish the Dems would learn how to take the gloves off, at least they would have a shot against an opponent that has no problems filling their gloves with lead shot. Then bragging about it.",
">\n\nThe subpoena, and associated contempt charges would be nothing when compared to the recommendations made by the committee to the DOJ. Whether or not the DOJ will act is all that matters at this point.",
">\n\nPathetic pieces of shit",
">\n\nAll theatre, all the time. Seems like by now, to most people, that somehow being trolled by their favorite elected might be possible.",
">\n\nSo wait, he just gets away with everything? Just like that?\nWhat about all the articles saying that Trump will most likely spend the rest of his life in prison?",
">\n\nThe subpoena has nothing to do with the recommendations made by the committee to the DOJ. The ball is in the DOJ’s court. The subpoena doesn’t impact anything. Absurd that he didn’t get held in contempt, but that is more of a distraction than anything.",
">\n\nI see. Thanks for explaining!",
">\n\nCan anyone explain why he was not arrested for not responding to the subpoena? I thought you had to respond to these?",
">\n\nFirst they would have had to vote for contempt. Then they would need to issue a referral to DOJ, then DOJ would need to consider it. That is not happening in a week before the new congress is sworn in an this committee expires. They have issued their report and no longer need to speak to him. That is why it was withdrawn. Their job is done.",
">\n\nSubpoenas are real, or they’re not.\nIn the real world if any person defied or ignored a subpoena they would be arrested immediately.\nWhy are some Americans allowed to break the law in broad daylight.",
">\n\nWhy is the DOJ dragging its feet in charging anyone?",
">\n\nDOJ has charged over 700 people out of January 6 and they continue to charge cases. Most of these cases took months if not years to come to fruition.\nAt the end of the day DOJ has no obligation to act on any of the committee’s referrals, although I believe they already have ongoing investigations as to several of the subjects. If anything new comes out of the committee’s work it’s unlikely to happen soon.",
">\n\nThe US is beyond broken. The wealthy can do whatever they want while we are the only ones who face consequences. I can’t wait to leave this shithole again. I won’t be making the mistake of coming back like I did last year.",
">\n\nSuch a farce",
">\n\nBut he wanted to appear!!",
">\n\nThe walls are closing in.",
">\n\nOk, people. Quit guilt-edging and go home.",
">\n\nWait so what is Trump a dastardly super villain who keeps getting away or a dumb oaf. You guys just can't decide.",
">\n\nI can’t wait until nothing happens!\nHas it happened yet?",
">\n\n“All animals are equal but some animals are more equal than others.” \nHey, do you think Reddit will ever reach a state of Nirvana where it will stop claiming “Trump is really sweating now!”?",
">\n\nDoes this not set some sort of precedence? If I now get subpoenaed for something can I not just point to Trump/Barr/Holder and say “no thank you”?",
">\n\nWithdrawing a subpoena sets no precedent and is not at all uncommon.",
">\n\nThe subpoena was issued quite some time ago wasn’t it? And he just flat refused. Were Barr and Holder’s also withdrawn?"
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It would have been a waste of time anyway.
"Mr. Trump, did you tell your supporters that the election was stolen and send your supporters to violently break into the capitol building to stop Joe Biden from becoming president"? - January 6th Committee
"The fifth"! - Trump
DOJ do your job to save this nation from tyranny and further destruction!🙏
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"So far Trump's legal strategy of ignoring calls for accountability until Republicans in Congress can bail him out is workingly flawlessly.",
">\n\nThat doesn’t mean the DoJ can’t charge and prosecute. \nRight now everything is in response to republicans getting their slim majority in the house and lessen the damage they will do.\nThat said, they still have the mountain of evidence they did gather",
">\n\nWhat about when the AG/DOJ is a GOP appointee? You don’t think they’ll just put in a Bill Barr type on the entire thing?",
">\n\nNot while they have a democratic president and especially when the previous president lost them the midterms.\nThey were already planning on replacing trump with Desantes by equating the 2 (Martha’s Vineyard was part of that), they’re only gonna lose trying to put their party’s future on the line protect him further.\nThey gonna continue to spread doubt and try to discredit the investigations, but they’re barely holding onto a branch of government, they’re not stupid. Barr only worked because they held onto 2",
">\n\nUmmm that’s not what I meant. If a GOP candidate for President wins in 2024 , what are the actual legal implications. It’s not like it’s below them to interfere like they did with the collusion charges",
">\n\n\nThe House January 6 committee is withdrawing its subpoena of former President Donald Trump as it concludes its work.\n“In light of the imminent end of our investigation, the Select Committee can no longer pursue the specific information covered by the subpoena,” Chairman Bennie Thompson, a Mississippi Democrat, wrote in a letter to Trump’s attorney Wednesday obtained by CNN.\n“Therefore, through this letter, I hereby formally withdraw the subpoena issued to former President Trump, and notify you that he is no longer obligated to comply or produce records in response to said subpoena,” Thompson added.",
">\n\nConclusion: Former president Trump is above the law.",
">\n\nYeah kind of makes me sad. Trump can just ignore a subpoena, with zero consequences. \n“We believe you tried to overthrow the government. You are legally required to come talk to us about it.”\n“No thanks.”\n“Oh. Ok, never mind.”",
">\n\nNo consequences? He's has been referred to the DOJ for obstruction of a govt processing last week. They held a recorded vote.",
">\n\nThat’s not a consequence. It’s kicking the can. Trump will never, ever be held responsible for his role in destroying democracy in America.",
">\n\nThis is not TV or a movie. \"The wheels of justice grind slowly yet exceedingly fine\" is a saying for a reason. Federal investigations usually take years.",
">\n\nHe’s been investigated for years. No consequences. Just special appointments, investigations, and referrals. In the mean time, you know who DOES face consequences?\nAmerica.",
">\n\nYou are judging the end of the movie before it is over.\nThe previous investigations were being done while he had the shield of the presidency and an attorney general running obstruction for him. None of that is true now.",
">\n\nThe GOP will continue fighting on his behalf, because the majority are complicit in 45’s fuckery. Again, no consequences will be had. I’m willing to wager a gift card to your favorite local restaurant that he will live fat, rich, and free until at least the 2024/25 inauguration. Save this post.",
">\n\nWe'll see about that. I'll admit to the loss if thats the case.",
">\n\nMore proof that we the people have no rights in comparison to the billionaire ticks.",
">\n\nDude ain't no billionaire",
">\n\nNo, but his buddies are.",
">\n\nHis puppet masters maybe",
">\n\nI mean, who would have thought not starting the fight sooner would end like this?",
">\n\nDon’t worry. He’s got so many more coming.",
">\n\nThe idea that Trump will pay any price for his crimes is a fantasy.",
">\n\nIt’s actually happening. His company has been found guilty. His charity is closed. His cohorts are about to go to jail. His popularity sagging. Protection is gone. We just need the first indictment.",
">\n\nBut none is him",
">\n\nWell Trump Org is pretty much him but be patient.",
">\n\nDrops in the bucket. \nBeen patient for like 6 years now. How much more we gotta wait?",
">\n\nHe couldn’t be prosecuted while president. Watch GA and the special prosecutor. They’re moving fast.",
">\n\nCouldn't be?\nShould have been.",
">\n\nThat’s absolutely wild that any man is able to just straight up ignore a subpoena with zero consequences. Definition of “above the law”. If he gets away with this, he is going to be more dangerous than ever. You get away with leading a coup/insurrection, you’re going to assume you can get away with literally anything. \nMaybe trump was right… he really could shoot someone in the middle of 5th avenue and not lose any voters…and also probably not even get in trouble",
">\n\nSerious questions...so the committee pull the subpoena, but it's up to DOJ for any additional follow up, but when the new congress is in session they can tell DOJ to drop everything? Is that how's its going to go down? Because I thought DOJ is supposed to be independent once given the committee's findings?",
">\n\nThe DOJ is certainly independent of Congress. As for the committee - the only thing they would've done differently was vote on a criminal referral for contempt of Congress. Although there is some truth to congressional contempt needing to stem from congress, The DOJ has no obligation to act on a referral - it is more akin to a recommendation.\nWith that being said, the committee knew it wasn't going to serve any real benefit, so they decided not to.\n\nThe DOJ decided not to prosecute Meadows and Scavino for contempt due to their close ties to the executive. This pretty much ruled out any chance of it happening to Trump, a former President. \nEven a completely successful referral (Steve Bannon) showed how inconsequential Congressional subpoena power is. For one, it is a misdemeanor. It has been ~15 months since Bannon was referred, and he was found guilty and sentenced, and he is still a free man pending appeal. And even if upheld, it's only 4 months in prison as just shy of maximum sentencing guidelines. \nThe DOJ, if they prosecute, are aiming at much bigger crimes - notably Obstruction of an Official Proceeding, which carries up to 20 years. And they'd be potentially trying these crimes in the same jurisdiction.\n\nSo I'm sure the calculation was that it just wasn't worth throwing a referral at the DOJ for something they'd never follow up on, and wouldn't be much benefit if they did.",
">\n\nIn summary, he’s committed so many crimes that this one isn’t worth any effort",
">\n\nEssentially, yeah. The DOJ has two big chances to secure a conviction: Mar-A-Lago and Jan. 6 - and they will likely bring multiple charges in a D.C. court if they decide to prosecute. Mar-A-Lago will come first, which has virtually nothing to do with this committee's work.\nReferring a misdemeanor to tack onto 4 serious felonies they referred probably only risked muddying the larger offenses. Can't blame them honestly.",
">\n\nWhat is “Mar a Lago” in this context! The tax scheme? Classified documents?",
">\n\nThe classified documents",
">\n\nSmall point but they weren't all classified and don't need to be, for what he did to be illegal. Just trying to avoid republican framing.",
">\n\nHillary was not afraid to testify every time she was asked (and testified for hours and hours each time, answering all questions asked) and never took the 5th. Yet republicans act like she is the criminal when it always has been trump.",
">\n\nEven if she was wrong she was smarter than any of the R in the room. That woman was a machine during those hearings and gave them nothing to work with.",
">\n\nShe is definitely smarter than that barrel of monkeys who questioned her, but ultimately, there was nothing to get from her - the perfect opposite case of crimey benedict donald and his co-conspirators.",
">\n\nIt's interesting to see that people think this subpoena would have continued to exist past Jan 3, 2023 given that that's when ALL open subpoenas from the outgoing congress expire and become null and void. Even if the J6 committee continued to exist- they would be required to file a brand new one in the new session.",
">\n\nIt wouldn't be that hard to file a brand new subpoena, they have lawyers who work full-time for them. That isn't an obstacle.",
">\n\nExcept for the committee doesn't exist in the new Congress and they have no powers to do anything if they don't exist.",
">\n\nIt's easy to get the two confused a lot of times.",
">\n\nHow many of y'all actually thought he wasn't going to run out the clock? \nNothing will fundamentally change.",
">\n\nNobody. The “justice takes time” chorus that dominated the narrative was only here to quell social unrest so society didn’t take a dive while the rich mocked us from their golden pedestals.",
">\n\nSerious question: Why? So what if the Dems lose power in the Congress. Let the Republicans be the one to formally dismantle the committee and subpoena on record. Then when hopefully Trump is charged by the DOJ, dems have another talking point for 2024 that the Republicans hate law and order and protect mob bosses.",
">\n\nThe select committee expires at the end of the congressional session. So they do not need to question him because the committee will not exist.",
">\n\nBut what is the point of formally withdrawing the subpoena? What does it accomplish?",
">\n\nThe committee is over. They have issued the report, they are closing up shop. They are following the process. A secondary part of the committees job was to show how a REAL congressional hearing should be handled. None of that sloppy ass grandstanding they did for Benghazi",
">\n\nMy viewpoint is that Trump and the GOP are just going to use this as “proof” that he did nothing wrong. Remember how the Mueller report “exonerated” Trump? His base believes this shit wholeheartedly and I guarantee he will use this as “evidence” for his innocence.\nShowing how things SHOULD be handled instead of taking whatever measures needed to protect Americans lead to Jan 6th happening in the first place. We all know how things should be handled, how the rules should work, but one side is willing to do whatever they need to keep power and the other is getting walked over.\nIs taking the high road worth letting fascism into our government?",
">\n\nIt’s good to know that republicans are allowed to ignore subpoenas. That’s useful info for them. Don’t expect dems to get that treatment",
">\n\nThey dropped the ball in not issuing one a couple of months ago",
">\n\nActually the Democrats have done everything not to ever pick up the ball even once. They let trump appointed republicans appoint a republican special counsel to fall like a straw man to blatant obstruction in the Russia probe. They turned it into a fundraiser for campaigning. \nThis time they let liz Cheney take the reins, who was able to preserve her republican prerogatives throughout this entire ordeal. \nThe fact is that you're all being cucked by forces of controlled opposition and I'm apparently the only one in the world who can't be so easily mitigated.\nI can't depend on any of you anymore than you can depend on yourselves.",
">\n\nYou lost all credibility at the end when you said cuck and act like you’re the smartest person in the world. Be gone!",
">\n\nYeah, I don't know how anyone can be expected to be taken seriously using that whole sentence unironically.",
">\n\nI don't expect to be taken seriously whether I say it or not, yet the facts remain as I've described.",
">\n\nI didn’t see that coming, said absolutely no one.",
">\n\nWhy.",
">\n\nHUGE mistake. The committee will be dissolved by the GOPers in a couple weeks, and all this did was to give the Marmalade Moses another fake victory to rile up his lemmings.",
">\n\nIt’s funny because I say the same thing every time about trump never getting charged and I always get shit about it like BUT NO THIS TIME IS DIFFERENT. \nLmao right. Sure it is.",
">\n\nFucking same. This is just more “ammo” for his orange, shit spewing mouth.",
">\n\nThis guy is still getting more media coverage than the current potus two years into his term. Crazy.",
">\n\nIt does blow that he wasn't forced to comply with the subpoena but for people thinking what a bummer this seems like, the house is switching to a republican majority in like a week so it didn't make a whole lot of sense to leave an active subpoena on record knowing it would never be resolved. They likely knew he wasn't going to comply when it was issued only now its offical that it was officially issued, ignored by trump, and terminated. Who knows if the DOJ will eventually file but everyone pretty much already knew that little temper tantrum trump wasn't going to aid in his own house sedition investigation.",
">\n\nIf we restrict ourselves to the issue of compliance with a subpoena from this committee, then the recent election clearly mooted every aspect of penalties or consequences related to ignoring the subpoena.\nIt's like a big brother was called over and little bro wanted him to force his adversary to bow and kiss the ground. But by the time big bro finally wanders over, the kid goes \"nah... we're good.\"\nA lot of folk like to believe contempt of court or contempt of congress is like any other crime where you do the deed and have to face the punishment. But, in general, these things do not work like crimes. Even where contempt has been codified such that there is a criminal contempt aspect, the goal remains to seek or to force compliance. This leads to \"punishments\" which are better or worse depending on how you view things. A simple view is that you could be \"sentenced\" to indefinite incarceration because it's a \"jailed until compliance\" thing.\nIn this case, Congress has been very, very reticent to try to use their inherent power to jail someone. So the most they ever do these days is refer the case to the DoJ to pursue criminal contempt of congress.\nAll in all, is this a \"good\" thing? Maybe it's not as bad as we feel it to be. Imagine any sort of argument where someone demands you do something. You retort \"are you sure?\" Bystanders urge folk cool down and think about it. Map that into the way Congress changes every two years and you get a sense that unless something is important enough that it remains after the public alters the composition of the legislative branch, maybe it's not all that important (to the public) after all.\nOn the other hand, why would anyone fear Congress when they demonstrate time and again there never really are any consequences for refusal to comply with subpoenas? But... do we want to quake in fear whenever some nutjob party gains control and enacts something as dire as the Committee on Unamerican Activities?",
">\n\nWhat is the advantage of dropping the subpoena, as opposed to just letting it expire/letting the new congress withdraw it? Why go on record saying he no longer has to come in? I get that he was never going to show, I’m just curious why this is better than the alternative.",
">\n\nI’m wondering this too. There has to be a good reason.",
">\n\n?? Why, like it had no power, but still why? This looks like weakness",
">\n\nThe subpoena expires when the new congress is sworn in on Jan 3rd. There was no practical way to enforce it.",
">\n\nWhy not just let it expire?\nNow Republicans have a talking point that the January 6th Committee withdrew their subpoena.\nThey'll use it to muddy the waters and spread more misinformation.",
">\n\nThey already had their talking points. They've had them the whole time. They already released a \"counter report\" to the J6 committee. The committee withdrew it because they are closing up shop. The report is out. Where would Donnie's answers go?",
">\n\nWhy was he not charged with contempt for no show? Once again, he gets let off for bad behaviour",
">\n\nBecause they referred him for 4 much more serious crimes with longer sentences. Referring him for this is essentially pointless.",
">\n\nYes, but i see it as another nail in the coffin, and also sends a message that subpoenas are not to be ignored",
">\n\nImagine if you or I tried to just ignore a subpoena.",
">\n\nIt’s OK if you’re a Republican, as the war criminal’s daughter who voted in line with Trump’s policies during her House tenure can attest.",
">\n\nAnother instance of unequal justice under the law, imo. If you or I disregarded a subpoena from Congress we'd be going to jail...like Steve Bannon.",
">\n\nDrag it out, do nothing, repeat. Glad the J6 group produced a ton of info and exposed a lot of the bs but what's the point of nothing really happens? Media circus? I'm so tired.",
">\n\nGreat precedent. It's good to know if I'm ever subpoenaed by congress I can just ignore it.",
">\n\nJ6 knew he'd puss out and just wanted to get it on the record. And for the same reason they haven't gone after Meadows for ignoring his subpoena, are all of the other serious crimes hanging over him and the orange Traitor in Chief, especially now, the subpoenas aren't worth the time and effort.",
">\n\n\nAnd for the same reason they haven't gone after Meadows for ignoring his subpoena\n\nTo be fair... the House voted him in criminal contempt and sent the referral to that to the DoJ. There wasn't really anything they could do beyond that with respect to his subpoena (yes, inherent contempt in theory exists, in practice it would have been useless for multiple reasons).\nMeadows is also included in the big criminal referrals the committee issued as part of their report as well.",
">\n\nAs usual, this country’s justice system is a joke",
">\n\nThis was a subpoena issued by the congress, not DOJ. He would be arrested if this was subpoena by DOJ and he didn’t show.",
">\n\nLike I said lol this country’s justice system is a joke",
">\n\nBut the justice system has not been involved yet!!! Congressional hearing is not an example of the justice system. The congress has referred the case to the DOJ or “the justice system” as a result of their hearing. DOJ will pursue a criminal investigation and pursue charges. \nJudiciary (justice system as you call it), congress, and executive branches are constitutionally separate and independent to ensure checks and balances.\nJustice system in the US is not ideal, but this specific instance is not an example of these inefficiencies. This is an example of how the congress has been ineffective in doing their legislative actions. In this instance the correct statement would be “Legislative system in this country is a joke.” Justice system has not had a chance to show its incompetence yet. That will be next.",
">\n\nNaive of you to think this is anything more than a show they’re putting on. Nothing will come of it, democrats are by nature pussies let’s be real. None have any teeth or claws. The right is full of a bunch of tribalistic monkeys, party is apparently more important than country. I guess I can rephrase, besides making money and being the best business in the world, America is a joke.",
">\n\n\"OMG. I'm so outraged by this even though I have no idea why.\"\nIt'd be nice if you guys learned the difference between the subpoena and the criminal referral. trump was never going to show up for the subpoena especially since the GOP is about to take control. It's a completely moot point.",
">\n\nExactly. The committee already referred him to the DoJ on criminal charges. Everyone is acting like they're just taking their ball and going home. They already went well and beyond a mere subpoena here, and one of the charges that they're recommending is obstruction already.",
">\n\nAren’t subpoenas mandatory with consequences? Either you show up or go to jail. Trump did neither.",
">\n\nNot if you are rich. Laws are you only for the the lower 90%",
">\n\nThis is such bullshit.",
">\n\nAnother precedent set for rich criminals to not comply. If we citizens didn’t show we’d be at a black site with electrodes on our genitals.",
">\n\nThey should have charged Trump with contempt of Congress.",
">\n\nSo whens the next uprising on behalf of rich people? Just be sure you're actually a political player because if you're just a worker you'll be charged. Chess has really changed over the past hundred years.",
">\n\nTotally expected. \nTrump, the really TV star, said he'd only agree to answer the subpoena if it were live & televised. It's quite obvious the reason is that he'd ignore the questioning & use the free air time to spew his BS, much like in the Presidential debates. \nAnd I'm sure the incoming Republican House would have loved to have given him the opportunity",
">\n\nyeah kinda moot at this point , they already made those criminal referrals anyways lol i wish they would have perused charging him for not showing up however but maybe they figured in light of everything they should focus on the key issues and at this point whatever he had to say really doesnt matter anyways as he would just lie. his testimony would pretty much be useless. its still a shame we didnt get to see it just for historys sake lol",
">\n\nAl trump would do is take the 5th like any other ordinary criminal",
">\n\nSo far as things have gone, will it now be ok for Democrats to ignore all the subpoenas that this next R House is going to send around? I’d think so….",
">\n\nOur government has failed us.... Good luck everyone.",
">\n\nAh yes the criminal Justice system, quite possibly the longest running joke in America",
">\n\n& you just know the cheeto will say something like, ha!, they dropped the subpoena cause they knew I am innocent, or some 💩 like that",
">\n\nNo surprise there. Trump is above the law, as he has proven time and again, over and over throughout the last several years. \nI will be surprised if anything comes out of this investigation, at all. \nI will be surprised if the next republican president isn't worse than Trump. \nI mean seriously, how do they convict him of anything if they can't even call him for questioning. Ever heard of anyone, ever, to get convicted of a crime that didn't have to talk to investigators at some point? \nFuck America. Fuck Trump. And fuck the pussy ass people who refuse to do their fucking job.",
">\n\nThey dropped it because it wasn't necessary and would have given him a national platform needlessly. DOJ will pass to the special council which will bring formal charges, if any will be brought.",
">\n\nThis is actually heartbreaking. Seen a lot of politicians and people of note show time and time again that the rules for EVERY CITIZEN don’t apply to them and this stings just a little more",
">\n\nMy theory that he is blackmailing everyone from the White House down with Area 51 malarky is still holding water...",
">\n\nLet us all start committing crimes and see how that goes, this is bs",
">\n\nSuch bs. I knew he would sleeze his way out of any consequences for his actions. This will only embolden him & his lunatic followers. He incites a riot that kills people & gets away with it. If any of us incited a riot, we would still be in jail & if people died during the riot, we would be charged with murder as well. So sick & tired of the double standard when it comes to a president who breaks the law & walks away, just like nixon did.",
">\n\nshould not have dropped\nshould have referred it to doj for contempt of congress...\nwhite rich continue to get a pass for what the rest of us would have long ago been prosecuted and imprisoned...",
">\n\nThey already referred him to DOJ for obstruction of a govt proceeding last week. What are you talking about?",
">\n\nYeah, because why would you want to subpoena the guy who was completely responsible for the entire thing?\nThe Chuck Schumer neoliberals have engineered this to completely let Trump get away with it - because they think the Republicans are still their friends and they don't want to piss them off!",
">\n\nThey subpoenaed trump months ago. He declined to show. Since, investigation is over, they dropped it. This is not even really news worthy.",
">\n\nHalf the people in this thread have no idea what they're talking about and are confusing the subpoena with the criminal referral.",
">\n\nOh, is that what's going on? Lol. I was wondering why ppl are making a big deal about this. This is just the committee cleaning up loose ends.",
">\n\nIt's a big deal if someone who's now a private citizen, can do wtf he wants and ignore a Congressional subpoena.",
">\n\nIt takes votes by congress to hold in contempt. They didn't need trump's testimony. He would just show up and repeat I plead the 5th anyway. Pence ignored his, too. It's pointless to hold them in contempt and get off focus of actual investigation.",
">\n\nYou're proving my point. Congressional Democrats should have enforced the subpoena and made Trump plead the 5th to every question. Imagine if Pence also appeared and pled the 5th to every question. That is political magic for the Democrats, it makes them look guilty as hell.\nTrump committed a crime, and this is America. It should be the same as if I committed a crime. We would get arrested, taken to jail until the morning, see a judge and face our charges, and then either get released on OR, held for trial, or bail set. It's not much of a democracy if laws are not enforced against powerful people.",
">\n\nOnce you all realize this is just a game and you’re the pawn things will make a lot more sense.",
">\n\nNow hear him cry about never getting a chance to testify when he’s charged.",
">\n\nI see this less as a “you’re excused” and more of a “see you in court”",
">\n\nNo need to bother with it when they've already finished their work. The only thing that testimony would have accomplished would have been getting Trump to look bad on national television, and a potential perjury charge. Trump already has embarrassed himself in public in a massive way since then, and they have bigger crimes to recommend to the DOJ for prosecution.",
">\n\nThe moment they announced the subpoena everyone got a hard on that trump would have to talk. I said it then and I’ll say it again, trump will never have to face any punishment and he doesn’t have to comply to any law or rules. They’re all more suggestions instead of laws.",
">\n\nWhat a waste of fucking time",
">\n\nSo......this was a big fat waste of time and money?",
">\n\nI mean they made a criminal referral so, no? The committee wasn’t set up to solely investigate Dolt 45 and took the testimony of over a thousand people, why is it you believe withdrawing one subpoena because the committee is winding down renders the entire process a “waste of time and money.”",
">\n\nNo mention on CNN that they dropped the subpoena after a year of January 6 January 6 January 6 terrible news station",
">\n\nWell, it’s being run by a Republican so go figure",
">\n\nTalk about the wheels of justice turning slow. In this case reversing altogether. Well done.",
">\n\nI wish this surprised me.",
">\n\nLOL God this is so funny\nWhat the fuck did y'all expect if you have money you are above the law. It only applies to the poor and those who step on the toes of capital.",
">\n\nWhat a waste of money",
">\n\n...And a Happy New Year!",
">\n\nClassic",
">\n\nShocking",
">\n\nOur governing body are a bunch of cowards. The US is being safeguarded by self-interested Congresspersons who speak about accountability and act on cowardice.",
">\n\nLet's be honest he'll get away with everything with a slap on the wrist. This country won't prosecute a sitting or former president or high ranking politician, we've seen this over and over. The whole committee is sadly a publicity stunt to gain traction for Democrat's. I hope I'm completely wrong of course and that this country will start to feel like it's a democracy.",
">\n\nThe coup is in effect.",
">\n\nI have a sad feeling this committee is going to end up like a fart in the wind",
">\n\nYou’re not wrong",
">\n\nWtf are you talking about?",
">\n\nHands",
">\n\nWho are you talking to? Lmao",
">\n\nWent out with a whimper. The most Democrat thing ever.\nWish the Dems would learn how to take the gloves off, at least they would have a shot against an opponent that has no problems filling their gloves with lead shot. Then bragging about it.",
">\n\nThe subpoena, and associated contempt charges would be nothing when compared to the recommendations made by the committee to the DOJ. Whether or not the DOJ will act is all that matters at this point.",
">\n\nPathetic pieces of shit",
">\n\nAll theatre, all the time. Seems like by now, to most people, that somehow being trolled by their favorite elected might be possible.",
">\n\nSo wait, he just gets away with everything? Just like that?\nWhat about all the articles saying that Trump will most likely spend the rest of his life in prison?",
">\n\nThe subpoena has nothing to do with the recommendations made by the committee to the DOJ. The ball is in the DOJ’s court. The subpoena doesn’t impact anything. Absurd that he didn’t get held in contempt, but that is more of a distraction than anything.",
">\n\nI see. Thanks for explaining!",
">\n\nCan anyone explain why he was not arrested for not responding to the subpoena? I thought you had to respond to these?",
">\n\nFirst they would have had to vote for contempt. Then they would need to issue a referral to DOJ, then DOJ would need to consider it. That is not happening in a week before the new congress is sworn in an this committee expires. They have issued their report and no longer need to speak to him. That is why it was withdrawn. Their job is done.",
">\n\nSubpoenas are real, or they’re not.\nIn the real world if any person defied or ignored a subpoena they would be arrested immediately.\nWhy are some Americans allowed to break the law in broad daylight.",
">\n\nWhy is the DOJ dragging its feet in charging anyone?",
">\n\nDOJ has charged over 700 people out of January 6 and they continue to charge cases. Most of these cases took months if not years to come to fruition.\nAt the end of the day DOJ has no obligation to act on any of the committee’s referrals, although I believe they already have ongoing investigations as to several of the subjects. If anything new comes out of the committee’s work it’s unlikely to happen soon.",
">\n\nThe US is beyond broken. The wealthy can do whatever they want while we are the only ones who face consequences. I can’t wait to leave this shithole again. I won’t be making the mistake of coming back like I did last year.",
">\n\nSuch a farce",
">\n\nBut he wanted to appear!!",
">\n\nThe walls are closing in.",
">\n\nOk, people. Quit guilt-edging and go home.",
">\n\nWait so what is Trump a dastardly super villain who keeps getting away or a dumb oaf. You guys just can't decide.",
">\n\nI can’t wait until nothing happens!\nHas it happened yet?",
">\n\n“All animals are equal but some animals are more equal than others.” \nHey, do you think Reddit will ever reach a state of Nirvana where it will stop claiming “Trump is really sweating now!”?",
">\n\nDoes this not set some sort of precedence? If I now get subpoenaed for something can I not just point to Trump/Barr/Holder and say “no thank you”?",
">\n\nWithdrawing a subpoena sets no precedent and is not at all uncommon.",
">\n\nThe subpoena was issued quite some time ago wasn’t it? And he just flat refused. Were Barr and Holder’s also withdrawn?",
">\n\nI saw the headline and thought the committee dropped a subpoena the way you drop an album. Then I read the article and saw that they dropped it like you drop an extra filler track from an album."
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"So far Trump's legal strategy of ignoring calls for accountability until Republicans in Congress can bail him out is workingly flawlessly.",
">\n\nThat doesn’t mean the DoJ can’t charge and prosecute. \nRight now everything is in response to republicans getting their slim majority in the house and lessen the damage they will do.\nThat said, they still have the mountain of evidence they did gather",
">\n\nWhat about when the AG/DOJ is a GOP appointee? You don’t think they’ll just put in a Bill Barr type on the entire thing?",
">\n\nNot while they have a democratic president and especially when the previous president lost them the midterms.\nThey were already planning on replacing trump with Desantes by equating the 2 (Martha’s Vineyard was part of that), they’re only gonna lose trying to put their party’s future on the line protect him further.\nThey gonna continue to spread doubt and try to discredit the investigations, but they’re barely holding onto a branch of government, they’re not stupid. Barr only worked because they held onto 2",
">\n\nUmmm that’s not what I meant. If a GOP candidate for President wins in 2024 , what are the actual legal implications. It’s not like it’s below them to interfere like they did with the collusion charges",
">\n\n\nThe House January 6 committee is withdrawing its subpoena of former President Donald Trump as it concludes its work.\n“In light of the imminent end of our investigation, the Select Committee can no longer pursue the specific information covered by the subpoena,” Chairman Bennie Thompson, a Mississippi Democrat, wrote in a letter to Trump’s attorney Wednesday obtained by CNN.\n“Therefore, through this letter, I hereby formally withdraw the subpoena issued to former President Trump, and notify you that he is no longer obligated to comply or produce records in response to said subpoena,” Thompson added.",
">\n\nConclusion: Former president Trump is above the law.",
">\n\nYeah kind of makes me sad. Trump can just ignore a subpoena, with zero consequences. \n“We believe you tried to overthrow the government. You are legally required to come talk to us about it.”\n“No thanks.”\n“Oh. Ok, never mind.”",
">\n\nNo consequences? He's has been referred to the DOJ for obstruction of a govt processing last week. They held a recorded vote.",
">\n\nThat’s not a consequence. It’s kicking the can. Trump will never, ever be held responsible for his role in destroying democracy in America.",
">\n\nThis is not TV or a movie. \"The wheels of justice grind slowly yet exceedingly fine\" is a saying for a reason. Federal investigations usually take years.",
">\n\nHe’s been investigated for years. No consequences. Just special appointments, investigations, and referrals. In the mean time, you know who DOES face consequences?\nAmerica.",
">\n\nYou are judging the end of the movie before it is over.\nThe previous investigations were being done while he had the shield of the presidency and an attorney general running obstruction for him. None of that is true now.",
">\n\nThe GOP will continue fighting on his behalf, because the majority are complicit in 45’s fuckery. Again, no consequences will be had. I’m willing to wager a gift card to your favorite local restaurant that he will live fat, rich, and free until at least the 2024/25 inauguration. Save this post.",
">\n\nWe'll see about that. I'll admit to the loss if thats the case.",
">\n\nMore proof that we the people have no rights in comparison to the billionaire ticks.",
">\n\nDude ain't no billionaire",
">\n\nNo, but his buddies are.",
">\n\nHis puppet masters maybe",
">\n\nI mean, who would have thought not starting the fight sooner would end like this?",
">\n\nDon’t worry. He’s got so many more coming.",
">\n\nThe idea that Trump will pay any price for his crimes is a fantasy.",
">\n\nIt’s actually happening. His company has been found guilty. His charity is closed. His cohorts are about to go to jail. His popularity sagging. Protection is gone. We just need the first indictment.",
">\n\nBut none is him",
">\n\nWell Trump Org is pretty much him but be patient.",
">\n\nDrops in the bucket. \nBeen patient for like 6 years now. How much more we gotta wait?",
">\n\nHe couldn’t be prosecuted while president. Watch GA and the special prosecutor. They’re moving fast.",
">\n\nCouldn't be?\nShould have been.",
">\n\nThat’s absolutely wild that any man is able to just straight up ignore a subpoena with zero consequences. Definition of “above the law”. If he gets away with this, he is going to be more dangerous than ever. You get away with leading a coup/insurrection, you’re going to assume you can get away with literally anything. \nMaybe trump was right… he really could shoot someone in the middle of 5th avenue and not lose any voters…and also probably not even get in trouble",
">\n\nSerious questions...so the committee pull the subpoena, but it's up to DOJ for any additional follow up, but when the new congress is in session they can tell DOJ to drop everything? Is that how's its going to go down? Because I thought DOJ is supposed to be independent once given the committee's findings?",
">\n\nThe DOJ is certainly independent of Congress. As for the committee - the only thing they would've done differently was vote on a criminal referral for contempt of Congress. Although there is some truth to congressional contempt needing to stem from congress, The DOJ has no obligation to act on a referral - it is more akin to a recommendation.\nWith that being said, the committee knew it wasn't going to serve any real benefit, so they decided not to.\n\nThe DOJ decided not to prosecute Meadows and Scavino for contempt due to their close ties to the executive. This pretty much ruled out any chance of it happening to Trump, a former President. \nEven a completely successful referral (Steve Bannon) showed how inconsequential Congressional subpoena power is. For one, it is a misdemeanor. It has been ~15 months since Bannon was referred, and he was found guilty and sentenced, and he is still a free man pending appeal. And even if upheld, it's only 4 months in prison as just shy of maximum sentencing guidelines. \nThe DOJ, if they prosecute, are aiming at much bigger crimes - notably Obstruction of an Official Proceeding, which carries up to 20 years. And they'd be potentially trying these crimes in the same jurisdiction.\n\nSo I'm sure the calculation was that it just wasn't worth throwing a referral at the DOJ for something they'd never follow up on, and wouldn't be much benefit if they did.",
">\n\nIn summary, he’s committed so many crimes that this one isn’t worth any effort",
">\n\nEssentially, yeah. The DOJ has two big chances to secure a conviction: Mar-A-Lago and Jan. 6 - and they will likely bring multiple charges in a D.C. court if they decide to prosecute. Mar-A-Lago will come first, which has virtually nothing to do with this committee's work.\nReferring a misdemeanor to tack onto 4 serious felonies they referred probably only risked muddying the larger offenses. Can't blame them honestly.",
">\n\nWhat is “Mar a Lago” in this context! The tax scheme? Classified documents?",
">\n\nThe classified documents",
">\n\nSmall point but they weren't all classified and don't need to be, for what he did to be illegal. Just trying to avoid republican framing.",
">\n\nHillary was not afraid to testify every time she was asked (and testified for hours and hours each time, answering all questions asked) and never took the 5th. Yet republicans act like she is the criminal when it always has been trump.",
">\n\nEven if she was wrong she was smarter than any of the R in the room. That woman was a machine during those hearings and gave them nothing to work with.",
">\n\nShe is definitely smarter than that barrel of monkeys who questioned her, but ultimately, there was nothing to get from her - the perfect opposite case of crimey benedict donald and his co-conspirators.",
">\n\nIt's interesting to see that people think this subpoena would have continued to exist past Jan 3, 2023 given that that's when ALL open subpoenas from the outgoing congress expire and become null and void. Even if the J6 committee continued to exist- they would be required to file a brand new one in the new session.",
">\n\nIt wouldn't be that hard to file a brand new subpoena, they have lawyers who work full-time for them. That isn't an obstacle.",
">\n\nExcept for the committee doesn't exist in the new Congress and they have no powers to do anything if they don't exist.",
">\n\nIt's easy to get the two confused a lot of times.",
">\n\nHow many of y'all actually thought he wasn't going to run out the clock? \nNothing will fundamentally change.",
">\n\nNobody. The “justice takes time” chorus that dominated the narrative was only here to quell social unrest so society didn’t take a dive while the rich mocked us from their golden pedestals.",
">\n\nSerious question: Why? So what if the Dems lose power in the Congress. Let the Republicans be the one to formally dismantle the committee and subpoena on record. Then when hopefully Trump is charged by the DOJ, dems have another talking point for 2024 that the Republicans hate law and order and protect mob bosses.",
">\n\nThe select committee expires at the end of the congressional session. So they do not need to question him because the committee will not exist.",
">\n\nBut what is the point of formally withdrawing the subpoena? What does it accomplish?",
">\n\nThe committee is over. They have issued the report, they are closing up shop. They are following the process. A secondary part of the committees job was to show how a REAL congressional hearing should be handled. None of that sloppy ass grandstanding they did for Benghazi",
">\n\nMy viewpoint is that Trump and the GOP are just going to use this as “proof” that he did nothing wrong. Remember how the Mueller report “exonerated” Trump? His base believes this shit wholeheartedly and I guarantee he will use this as “evidence” for his innocence.\nShowing how things SHOULD be handled instead of taking whatever measures needed to protect Americans lead to Jan 6th happening in the first place. We all know how things should be handled, how the rules should work, but one side is willing to do whatever they need to keep power and the other is getting walked over.\nIs taking the high road worth letting fascism into our government?",
">\n\nIt’s good to know that republicans are allowed to ignore subpoenas. That’s useful info for them. Don’t expect dems to get that treatment",
">\n\nThey dropped the ball in not issuing one a couple of months ago",
">\n\nActually the Democrats have done everything not to ever pick up the ball even once. They let trump appointed republicans appoint a republican special counsel to fall like a straw man to blatant obstruction in the Russia probe. They turned it into a fundraiser for campaigning. \nThis time they let liz Cheney take the reins, who was able to preserve her republican prerogatives throughout this entire ordeal. \nThe fact is that you're all being cucked by forces of controlled opposition and I'm apparently the only one in the world who can't be so easily mitigated.\nI can't depend on any of you anymore than you can depend on yourselves.",
">\n\nYou lost all credibility at the end when you said cuck and act like you’re the smartest person in the world. Be gone!",
">\n\nYeah, I don't know how anyone can be expected to be taken seriously using that whole sentence unironically.",
">\n\nI don't expect to be taken seriously whether I say it or not, yet the facts remain as I've described.",
">\n\nI didn’t see that coming, said absolutely no one.",
">\n\nWhy.",
">\n\nHUGE mistake. The committee will be dissolved by the GOPers in a couple weeks, and all this did was to give the Marmalade Moses another fake victory to rile up his lemmings.",
">\n\nIt’s funny because I say the same thing every time about trump never getting charged and I always get shit about it like BUT NO THIS TIME IS DIFFERENT. \nLmao right. Sure it is.",
">\n\nFucking same. This is just more “ammo” for his orange, shit spewing mouth.",
">\n\nThis guy is still getting more media coverage than the current potus two years into his term. Crazy.",
">\n\nIt does blow that he wasn't forced to comply with the subpoena but for people thinking what a bummer this seems like, the house is switching to a republican majority in like a week so it didn't make a whole lot of sense to leave an active subpoena on record knowing it would never be resolved. They likely knew he wasn't going to comply when it was issued only now its offical that it was officially issued, ignored by trump, and terminated. Who knows if the DOJ will eventually file but everyone pretty much already knew that little temper tantrum trump wasn't going to aid in his own house sedition investigation.",
">\n\nIf we restrict ourselves to the issue of compliance with a subpoena from this committee, then the recent election clearly mooted every aspect of penalties or consequences related to ignoring the subpoena.\nIt's like a big brother was called over and little bro wanted him to force his adversary to bow and kiss the ground. But by the time big bro finally wanders over, the kid goes \"nah... we're good.\"\nA lot of folk like to believe contempt of court or contempt of congress is like any other crime where you do the deed and have to face the punishment. But, in general, these things do not work like crimes. Even where contempt has been codified such that there is a criminal contempt aspect, the goal remains to seek or to force compliance. This leads to \"punishments\" which are better or worse depending on how you view things. A simple view is that you could be \"sentenced\" to indefinite incarceration because it's a \"jailed until compliance\" thing.\nIn this case, Congress has been very, very reticent to try to use their inherent power to jail someone. So the most they ever do these days is refer the case to the DoJ to pursue criminal contempt of congress.\nAll in all, is this a \"good\" thing? Maybe it's not as bad as we feel it to be. Imagine any sort of argument where someone demands you do something. You retort \"are you sure?\" Bystanders urge folk cool down and think about it. Map that into the way Congress changes every two years and you get a sense that unless something is important enough that it remains after the public alters the composition of the legislative branch, maybe it's not all that important (to the public) after all.\nOn the other hand, why would anyone fear Congress when they demonstrate time and again there never really are any consequences for refusal to comply with subpoenas? But... do we want to quake in fear whenever some nutjob party gains control and enacts something as dire as the Committee on Unamerican Activities?",
">\n\nWhat is the advantage of dropping the subpoena, as opposed to just letting it expire/letting the new congress withdraw it? Why go on record saying he no longer has to come in? I get that he was never going to show, I’m just curious why this is better than the alternative.",
">\n\nI’m wondering this too. There has to be a good reason.",
">\n\n?? Why, like it had no power, but still why? This looks like weakness",
">\n\nThe subpoena expires when the new congress is sworn in on Jan 3rd. There was no practical way to enforce it.",
">\n\nWhy not just let it expire?\nNow Republicans have a talking point that the January 6th Committee withdrew their subpoena.\nThey'll use it to muddy the waters and spread more misinformation.",
">\n\nThey already had their talking points. They've had them the whole time. They already released a \"counter report\" to the J6 committee. The committee withdrew it because they are closing up shop. The report is out. Where would Donnie's answers go?",
">\n\nWhy was he not charged with contempt for no show? Once again, he gets let off for bad behaviour",
">\n\nBecause they referred him for 4 much more serious crimes with longer sentences. Referring him for this is essentially pointless.",
">\n\nYes, but i see it as another nail in the coffin, and also sends a message that subpoenas are not to be ignored",
">\n\nImagine if you or I tried to just ignore a subpoena.",
">\n\nIt’s OK if you’re a Republican, as the war criminal’s daughter who voted in line with Trump’s policies during her House tenure can attest.",
">\n\nAnother instance of unequal justice under the law, imo. If you or I disregarded a subpoena from Congress we'd be going to jail...like Steve Bannon.",
">\n\nDrag it out, do nothing, repeat. Glad the J6 group produced a ton of info and exposed a lot of the bs but what's the point of nothing really happens? Media circus? I'm so tired.",
">\n\nGreat precedent. It's good to know if I'm ever subpoenaed by congress I can just ignore it.",
">\n\nJ6 knew he'd puss out and just wanted to get it on the record. And for the same reason they haven't gone after Meadows for ignoring his subpoena, are all of the other serious crimes hanging over him and the orange Traitor in Chief, especially now, the subpoenas aren't worth the time and effort.",
">\n\n\nAnd for the same reason they haven't gone after Meadows for ignoring his subpoena\n\nTo be fair... the House voted him in criminal contempt and sent the referral to that to the DoJ. There wasn't really anything they could do beyond that with respect to his subpoena (yes, inherent contempt in theory exists, in practice it would have been useless for multiple reasons).\nMeadows is also included in the big criminal referrals the committee issued as part of their report as well.",
">\n\nAs usual, this country’s justice system is a joke",
">\n\nThis was a subpoena issued by the congress, not DOJ. He would be arrested if this was subpoena by DOJ and he didn’t show.",
">\n\nLike I said lol this country’s justice system is a joke",
">\n\nBut the justice system has not been involved yet!!! Congressional hearing is not an example of the justice system. The congress has referred the case to the DOJ or “the justice system” as a result of their hearing. DOJ will pursue a criminal investigation and pursue charges. \nJudiciary (justice system as you call it), congress, and executive branches are constitutionally separate and independent to ensure checks and balances.\nJustice system in the US is not ideal, but this specific instance is not an example of these inefficiencies. This is an example of how the congress has been ineffective in doing their legislative actions. In this instance the correct statement would be “Legislative system in this country is a joke.” Justice system has not had a chance to show its incompetence yet. That will be next.",
">\n\nNaive of you to think this is anything more than a show they’re putting on. Nothing will come of it, democrats are by nature pussies let’s be real. None have any teeth or claws. The right is full of a bunch of tribalistic monkeys, party is apparently more important than country. I guess I can rephrase, besides making money and being the best business in the world, America is a joke.",
">\n\n\"OMG. I'm so outraged by this even though I have no idea why.\"\nIt'd be nice if you guys learned the difference between the subpoena and the criminal referral. trump was never going to show up for the subpoena especially since the GOP is about to take control. It's a completely moot point.",
">\n\nExactly. The committee already referred him to the DoJ on criminal charges. Everyone is acting like they're just taking their ball and going home. They already went well and beyond a mere subpoena here, and one of the charges that they're recommending is obstruction already.",
">\n\nAren’t subpoenas mandatory with consequences? Either you show up or go to jail. Trump did neither.",
">\n\nNot if you are rich. Laws are you only for the the lower 90%",
">\n\nThis is such bullshit.",
">\n\nAnother precedent set for rich criminals to not comply. If we citizens didn’t show we’d be at a black site with electrodes on our genitals.",
">\n\nThey should have charged Trump with contempt of Congress.",
">\n\nSo whens the next uprising on behalf of rich people? Just be sure you're actually a political player because if you're just a worker you'll be charged. Chess has really changed over the past hundred years.",
">\n\nTotally expected. \nTrump, the really TV star, said he'd only agree to answer the subpoena if it were live & televised. It's quite obvious the reason is that he'd ignore the questioning & use the free air time to spew his BS, much like in the Presidential debates. \nAnd I'm sure the incoming Republican House would have loved to have given him the opportunity",
">\n\nyeah kinda moot at this point , they already made those criminal referrals anyways lol i wish they would have perused charging him for not showing up however but maybe they figured in light of everything they should focus on the key issues and at this point whatever he had to say really doesnt matter anyways as he would just lie. his testimony would pretty much be useless. its still a shame we didnt get to see it just for historys sake lol",
">\n\nAl trump would do is take the 5th like any other ordinary criminal",
">\n\nSo far as things have gone, will it now be ok for Democrats to ignore all the subpoenas that this next R House is going to send around? I’d think so….",
">\n\nOur government has failed us.... Good luck everyone.",
">\n\nAh yes the criminal Justice system, quite possibly the longest running joke in America",
">\n\n& you just know the cheeto will say something like, ha!, they dropped the subpoena cause they knew I am innocent, or some 💩 like that",
">\n\nNo surprise there. Trump is above the law, as he has proven time and again, over and over throughout the last several years. \nI will be surprised if anything comes out of this investigation, at all. \nI will be surprised if the next republican president isn't worse than Trump. \nI mean seriously, how do they convict him of anything if they can't even call him for questioning. Ever heard of anyone, ever, to get convicted of a crime that didn't have to talk to investigators at some point? \nFuck America. Fuck Trump. And fuck the pussy ass people who refuse to do their fucking job.",
">\n\nThey dropped it because it wasn't necessary and would have given him a national platform needlessly. DOJ will pass to the special council which will bring formal charges, if any will be brought.",
">\n\nThis is actually heartbreaking. Seen a lot of politicians and people of note show time and time again that the rules for EVERY CITIZEN don’t apply to them and this stings just a little more",
">\n\nMy theory that he is blackmailing everyone from the White House down with Area 51 malarky is still holding water...",
">\n\nLet us all start committing crimes and see how that goes, this is bs",
">\n\nSuch bs. I knew he would sleeze his way out of any consequences for his actions. This will only embolden him & his lunatic followers. He incites a riot that kills people & gets away with it. If any of us incited a riot, we would still be in jail & if people died during the riot, we would be charged with murder as well. So sick & tired of the double standard when it comes to a president who breaks the law & walks away, just like nixon did.",
">\n\nshould not have dropped\nshould have referred it to doj for contempt of congress...\nwhite rich continue to get a pass for what the rest of us would have long ago been prosecuted and imprisoned...",
">\n\nThey already referred him to DOJ for obstruction of a govt proceeding last week. What are you talking about?",
">\n\nYeah, because why would you want to subpoena the guy who was completely responsible for the entire thing?\nThe Chuck Schumer neoliberals have engineered this to completely let Trump get away with it - because they think the Republicans are still their friends and they don't want to piss them off!",
">\n\nThey subpoenaed trump months ago. He declined to show. Since, investigation is over, they dropped it. This is not even really news worthy.",
">\n\nHalf the people in this thread have no idea what they're talking about and are confusing the subpoena with the criminal referral.",
">\n\nOh, is that what's going on? Lol. I was wondering why ppl are making a big deal about this. This is just the committee cleaning up loose ends.",
">\n\nIt's a big deal if someone who's now a private citizen, can do wtf he wants and ignore a Congressional subpoena.",
">\n\nIt takes votes by congress to hold in contempt. They didn't need trump's testimony. He would just show up and repeat I plead the 5th anyway. Pence ignored his, too. It's pointless to hold them in contempt and get off focus of actual investigation.",
">\n\nYou're proving my point. Congressional Democrats should have enforced the subpoena and made Trump plead the 5th to every question. Imagine if Pence also appeared and pled the 5th to every question. That is political magic for the Democrats, it makes them look guilty as hell.\nTrump committed a crime, and this is America. It should be the same as if I committed a crime. We would get arrested, taken to jail until the morning, see a judge and face our charges, and then either get released on OR, held for trial, or bail set. It's not much of a democracy if laws are not enforced against powerful people.",
">\n\nOnce you all realize this is just a game and you’re the pawn things will make a lot more sense.",
">\n\nNow hear him cry about never getting a chance to testify when he’s charged.",
">\n\nI see this less as a “you’re excused” and more of a “see you in court”",
">\n\nNo need to bother with it when they've already finished their work. The only thing that testimony would have accomplished would have been getting Trump to look bad on national television, and a potential perjury charge. Trump already has embarrassed himself in public in a massive way since then, and they have bigger crimes to recommend to the DOJ for prosecution.",
">\n\nThe moment they announced the subpoena everyone got a hard on that trump would have to talk. I said it then and I’ll say it again, trump will never have to face any punishment and he doesn’t have to comply to any law or rules. They’re all more suggestions instead of laws.",
">\n\nWhat a waste of fucking time",
">\n\nSo......this was a big fat waste of time and money?",
">\n\nI mean they made a criminal referral so, no? The committee wasn’t set up to solely investigate Dolt 45 and took the testimony of over a thousand people, why is it you believe withdrawing one subpoena because the committee is winding down renders the entire process a “waste of time and money.”",
">\n\nNo mention on CNN that they dropped the subpoena after a year of January 6 January 6 January 6 terrible news station",
">\n\nWell, it’s being run by a Republican so go figure",
">\n\nTalk about the wheels of justice turning slow. In this case reversing altogether. Well done.",
">\n\nI wish this surprised me.",
">\n\nLOL God this is so funny\nWhat the fuck did y'all expect if you have money you are above the law. It only applies to the poor and those who step on the toes of capital.",
">\n\nWhat a waste of money",
">\n\n...And a Happy New Year!",
">\n\nClassic",
">\n\nShocking",
">\n\nOur governing body are a bunch of cowards. The US is being safeguarded by self-interested Congresspersons who speak about accountability and act on cowardice.",
">\n\nLet's be honest he'll get away with everything with a slap on the wrist. This country won't prosecute a sitting or former president or high ranking politician, we've seen this over and over. The whole committee is sadly a publicity stunt to gain traction for Democrat's. I hope I'm completely wrong of course and that this country will start to feel like it's a democracy.",
">\n\nThe coup is in effect.",
">\n\nI have a sad feeling this committee is going to end up like a fart in the wind",
">\n\nYou’re not wrong",
">\n\nWtf are you talking about?",
">\n\nHands",
">\n\nWho are you talking to? Lmao",
">\n\nWent out with a whimper. The most Democrat thing ever.\nWish the Dems would learn how to take the gloves off, at least they would have a shot against an opponent that has no problems filling their gloves with lead shot. Then bragging about it.",
">\n\nThe subpoena, and associated contempt charges would be nothing when compared to the recommendations made by the committee to the DOJ. Whether or not the DOJ will act is all that matters at this point.",
">\n\nPathetic pieces of shit",
">\n\nAll theatre, all the time. Seems like by now, to most people, that somehow being trolled by their favorite elected might be possible.",
">\n\nSo wait, he just gets away with everything? Just like that?\nWhat about all the articles saying that Trump will most likely spend the rest of his life in prison?",
">\n\nThe subpoena has nothing to do with the recommendations made by the committee to the DOJ. The ball is in the DOJ’s court. The subpoena doesn’t impact anything. Absurd that he didn’t get held in contempt, but that is more of a distraction than anything.",
">\n\nI see. Thanks for explaining!",
">\n\nCan anyone explain why he was not arrested for not responding to the subpoena? I thought you had to respond to these?",
">\n\nFirst they would have had to vote for contempt. Then they would need to issue a referral to DOJ, then DOJ would need to consider it. That is not happening in a week before the new congress is sworn in an this committee expires. They have issued their report and no longer need to speak to him. That is why it was withdrawn. Their job is done.",
">\n\nSubpoenas are real, or they’re not.\nIn the real world if any person defied or ignored a subpoena they would be arrested immediately.\nWhy are some Americans allowed to break the law in broad daylight.",
">\n\nWhy is the DOJ dragging its feet in charging anyone?",
">\n\nDOJ has charged over 700 people out of January 6 and they continue to charge cases. Most of these cases took months if not years to come to fruition.\nAt the end of the day DOJ has no obligation to act on any of the committee’s referrals, although I believe they already have ongoing investigations as to several of the subjects. If anything new comes out of the committee’s work it’s unlikely to happen soon.",
">\n\nThe US is beyond broken. The wealthy can do whatever they want while we are the only ones who face consequences. I can’t wait to leave this shithole again. I won’t be making the mistake of coming back like I did last year.",
">\n\nSuch a farce",
">\n\nBut he wanted to appear!!",
">\n\nThe walls are closing in.",
">\n\nOk, people. Quit guilt-edging and go home.",
">\n\nWait so what is Trump a dastardly super villain who keeps getting away or a dumb oaf. You guys just can't decide.",
">\n\nI can’t wait until nothing happens!\nHas it happened yet?",
">\n\n“All animals are equal but some animals are more equal than others.” \nHey, do you think Reddit will ever reach a state of Nirvana where it will stop claiming “Trump is really sweating now!”?",
">\n\nDoes this not set some sort of precedence? If I now get subpoenaed for something can I not just point to Trump/Barr/Holder and say “no thank you”?",
">\n\nWithdrawing a subpoena sets no precedent and is not at all uncommon.",
">\n\nThe subpoena was issued quite some time ago wasn’t it? And he just flat refused. Were Barr and Holder’s also withdrawn?",
">\n\nI saw the headline and thought the committee dropped a subpoena the way you drop an album. Then I read the article and saw that they dropped it like you drop an extra filler track from an album.",
">\n\nIt would have been a waste of time anyway. \n\"Mr. Trump, did you tell your supporters that the election was stolen and send your supporters to violently break into the capitol building to stop Joe Biden from becoming president\"? - January 6th Committee \n\"The fifth\"! - Trump\nDOJ do your job to save this nation from tyranny and further destruction!🙏"
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But these are the same people that wanted peaceful blm protestors bathed in their own blood? What point do we all take this into our own hands
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"So far Trump's legal strategy of ignoring calls for accountability until Republicans in Congress can bail him out is workingly flawlessly.",
">\n\nThat doesn’t mean the DoJ can’t charge and prosecute. \nRight now everything is in response to republicans getting their slim majority in the house and lessen the damage they will do.\nThat said, they still have the mountain of evidence they did gather",
">\n\nWhat about when the AG/DOJ is a GOP appointee? You don’t think they’ll just put in a Bill Barr type on the entire thing?",
">\n\nNot while they have a democratic president and especially when the previous president lost them the midterms.\nThey were already planning on replacing trump with Desantes by equating the 2 (Martha’s Vineyard was part of that), they’re only gonna lose trying to put their party’s future on the line protect him further.\nThey gonna continue to spread doubt and try to discredit the investigations, but they’re barely holding onto a branch of government, they’re not stupid. Barr only worked because they held onto 2",
">\n\nUmmm that’s not what I meant. If a GOP candidate for President wins in 2024 , what are the actual legal implications. It’s not like it’s below them to interfere like they did with the collusion charges",
">\n\n\nThe House January 6 committee is withdrawing its subpoena of former President Donald Trump as it concludes its work.\n“In light of the imminent end of our investigation, the Select Committee can no longer pursue the specific information covered by the subpoena,” Chairman Bennie Thompson, a Mississippi Democrat, wrote in a letter to Trump’s attorney Wednesday obtained by CNN.\n“Therefore, through this letter, I hereby formally withdraw the subpoena issued to former President Trump, and notify you that he is no longer obligated to comply or produce records in response to said subpoena,” Thompson added.",
">\n\nConclusion: Former president Trump is above the law.",
">\n\nYeah kind of makes me sad. Trump can just ignore a subpoena, with zero consequences. \n“We believe you tried to overthrow the government. You are legally required to come talk to us about it.”\n“No thanks.”\n“Oh. Ok, never mind.”",
">\n\nNo consequences? He's has been referred to the DOJ for obstruction of a govt processing last week. They held a recorded vote.",
">\n\nThat’s not a consequence. It’s kicking the can. Trump will never, ever be held responsible for his role in destroying democracy in America.",
">\n\nThis is not TV or a movie. \"The wheels of justice grind slowly yet exceedingly fine\" is a saying for a reason. Federal investigations usually take years.",
">\n\nHe’s been investigated for years. No consequences. Just special appointments, investigations, and referrals. In the mean time, you know who DOES face consequences?\nAmerica.",
">\n\nYou are judging the end of the movie before it is over.\nThe previous investigations were being done while he had the shield of the presidency and an attorney general running obstruction for him. None of that is true now.",
">\n\nThe GOP will continue fighting on his behalf, because the majority are complicit in 45’s fuckery. Again, no consequences will be had. I’m willing to wager a gift card to your favorite local restaurant that he will live fat, rich, and free until at least the 2024/25 inauguration. Save this post.",
">\n\nWe'll see about that. I'll admit to the loss if thats the case.",
">\n\nMore proof that we the people have no rights in comparison to the billionaire ticks.",
">\n\nDude ain't no billionaire",
">\n\nNo, but his buddies are.",
">\n\nHis puppet masters maybe",
">\n\nI mean, who would have thought not starting the fight sooner would end like this?",
">\n\nDon’t worry. He’s got so many more coming.",
">\n\nThe idea that Trump will pay any price for his crimes is a fantasy.",
">\n\nIt’s actually happening. His company has been found guilty. His charity is closed. His cohorts are about to go to jail. His popularity sagging. Protection is gone. We just need the first indictment.",
">\n\nBut none is him",
">\n\nWell Trump Org is pretty much him but be patient.",
">\n\nDrops in the bucket. \nBeen patient for like 6 years now. How much more we gotta wait?",
">\n\nHe couldn’t be prosecuted while president. Watch GA and the special prosecutor. They’re moving fast.",
">\n\nCouldn't be?\nShould have been.",
">\n\nThat’s absolutely wild that any man is able to just straight up ignore a subpoena with zero consequences. Definition of “above the law”. If he gets away with this, he is going to be more dangerous than ever. You get away with leading a coup/insurrection, you’re going to assume you can get away with literally anything. \nMaybe trump was right… he really could shoot someone in the middle of 5th avenue and not lose any voters…and also probably not even get in trouble",
">\n\nSerious questions...so the committee pull the subpoena, but it's up to DOJ for any additional follow up, but when the new congress is in session they can tell DOJ to drop everything? Is that how's its going to go down? Because I thought DOJ is supposed to be independent once given the committee's findings?",
">\n\nThe DOJ is certainly independent of Congress. As for the committee - the only thing they would've done differently was vote on a criminal referral for contempt of Congress. Although there is some truth to congressional contempt needing to stem from congress, The DOJ has no obligation to act on a referral - it is more akin to a recommendation.\nWith that being said, the committee knew it wasn't going to serve any real benefit, so they decided not to.\n\nThe DOJ decided not to prosecute Meadows and Scavino for contempt due to their close ties to the executive. This pretty much ruled out any chance of it happening to Trump, a former President. \nEven a completely successful referral (Steve Bannon) showed how inconsequential Congressional subpoena power is. For one, it is a misdemeanor. It has been ~15 months since Bannon was referred, and he was found guilty and sentenced, and he is still a free man pending appeal. And even if upheld, it's only 4 months in prison as just shy of maximum sentencing guidelines. \nThe DOJ, if they prosecute, are aiming at much bigger crimes - notably Obstruction of an Official Proceeding, which carries up to 20 years. And they'd be potentially trying these crimes in the same jurisdiction.\n\nSo I'm sure the calculation was that it just wasn't worth throwing a referral at the DOJ for something they'd never follow up on, and wouldn't be much benefit if they did.",
">\n\nIn summary, he’s committed so many crimes that this one isn’t worth any effort",
">\n\nEssentially, yeah. The DOJ has two big chances to secure a conviction: Mar-A-Lago and Jan. 6 - and they will likely bring multiple charges in a D.C. court if they decide to prosecute. Mar-A-Lago will come first, which has virtually nothing to do with this committee's work.\nReferring a misdemeanor to tack onto 4 serious felonies they referred probably only risked muddying the larger offenses. Can't blame them honestly.",
">\n\nWhat is “Mar a Lago” in this context! The tax scheme? Classified documents?",
">\n\nThe classified documents",
">\n\nSmall point but they weren't all classified and don't need to be, for what he did to be illegal. Just trying to avoid republican framing.",
">\n\nHillary was not afraid to testify every time she was asked (and testified for hours and hours each time, answering all questions asked) and never took the 5th. Yet republicans act like she is the criminal when it always has been trump.",
">\n\nEven if she was wrong she was smarter than any of the R in the room. That woman was a machine during those hearings and gave them nothing to work with.",
">\n\nShe is definitely smarter than that barrel of monkeys who questioned her, but ultimately, there was nothing to get from her - the perfect opposite case of crimey benedict donald and his co-conspirators.",
">\n\nIt's interesting to see that people think this subpoena would have continued to exist past Jan 3, 2023 given that that's when ALL open subpoenas from the outgoing congress expire and become null and void. Even if the J6 committee continued to exist- they would be required to file a brand new one in the new session.",
">\n\nIt wouldn't be that hard to file a brand new subpoena, they have lawyers who work full-time for them. That isn't an obstacle.",
">\n\nExcept for the committee doesn't exist in the new Congress and they have no powers to do anything if they don't exist.",
">\n\nIt's easy to get the two confused a lot of times.",
">\n\nHow many of y'all actually thought he wasn't going to run out the clock? \nNothing will fundamentally change.",
">\n\nNobody. The “justice takes time” chorus that dominated the narrative was only here to quell social unrest so society didn’t take a dive while the rich mocked us from their golden pedestals.",
">\n\nSerious question: Why? So what if the Dems lose power in the Congress. Let the Republicans be the one to formally dismantle the committee and subpoena on record. Then when hopefully Trump is charged by the DOJ, dems have another talking point for 2024 that the Republicans hate law and order and protect mob bosses.",
">\n\nThe select committee expires at the end of the congressional session. So they do not need to question him because the committee will not exist.",
">\n\nBut what is the point of formally withdrawing the subpoena? What does it accomplish?",
">\n\nThe committee is over. They have issued the report, they are closing up shop. They are following the process. A secondary part of the committees job was to show how a REAL congressional hearing should be handled. None of that sloppy ass grandstanding they did for Benghazi",
">\n\nMy viewpoint is that Trump and the GOP are just going to use this as “proof” that he did nothing wrong. Remember how the Mueller report “exonerated” Trump? His base believes this shit wholeheartedly and I guarantee he will use this as “evidence” for his innocence.\nShowing how things SHOULD be handled instead of taking whatever measures needed to protect Americans lead to Jan 6th happening in the first place. We all know how things should be handled, how the rules should work, but one side is willing to do whatever they need to keep power and the other is getting walked over.\nIs taking the high road worth letting fascism into our government?",
">\n\nIt’s good to know that republicans are allowed to ignore subpoenas. That’s useful info for them. Don’t expect dems to get that treatment",
">\n\nThey dropped the ball in not issuing one a couple of months ago",
">\n\nActually the Democrats have done everything not to ever pick up the ball even once. They let trump appointed republicans appoint a republican special counsel to fall like a straw man to blatant obstruction in the Russia probe. They turned it into a fundraiser for campaigning. \nThis time they let liz Cheney take the reins, who was able to preserve her republican prerogatives throughout this entire ordeal. \nThe fact is that you're all being cucked by forces of controlled opposition and I'm apparently the only one in the world who can't be so easily mitigated.\nI can't depend on any of you anymore than you can depend on yourselves.",
">\n\nYou lost all credibility at the end when you said cuck and act like you’re the smartest person in the world. Be gone!",
">\n\nYeah, I don't know how anyone can be expected to be taken seriously using that whole sentence unironically.",
">\n\nI don't expect to be taken seriously whether I say it or not, yet the facts remain as I've described.",
">\n\nI didn’t see that coming, said absolutely no one.",
">\n\nWhy.",
">\n\nHUGE mistake. The committee will be dissolved by the GOPers in a couple weeks, and all this did was to give the Marmalade Moses another fake victory to rile up his lemmings.",
">\n\nIt’s funny because I say the same thing every time about trump never getting charged and I always get shit about it like BUT NO THIS TIME IS DIFFERENT. \nLmao right. Sure it is.",
">\n\nFucking same. This is just more “ammo” for his orange, shit spewing mouth.",
">\n\nThis guy is still getting more media coverage than the current potus two years into his term. Crazy.",
">\n\nIt does blow that he wasn't forced to comply with the subpoena but for people thinking what a bummer this seems like, the house is switching to a republican majority in like a week so it didn't make a whole lot of sense to leave an active subpoena on record knowing it would never be resolved. They likely knew he wasn't going to comply when it was issued only now its offical that it was officially issued, ignored by trump, and terminated. Who knows if the DOJ will eventually file but everyone pretty much already knew that little temper tantrum trump wasn't going to aid in his own house sedition investigation.",
">\n\nIf we restrict ourselves to the issue of compliance with a subpoena from this committee, then the recent election clearly mooted every aspect of penalties or consequences related to ignoring the subpoena.\nIt's like a big brother was called over and little bro wanted him to force his adversary to bow and kiss the ground. But by the time big bro finally wanders over, the kid goes \"nah... we're good.\"\nA lot of folk like to believe contempt of court or contempt of congress is like any other crime where you do the deed and have to face the punishment. But, in general, these things do not work like crimes. Even where contempt has been codified such that there is a criminal contempt aspect, the goal remains to seek or to force compliance. This leads to \"punishments\" which are better or worse depending on how you view things. A simple view is that you could be \"sentenced\" to indefinite incarceration because it's a \"jailed until compliance\" thing.\nIn this case, Congress has been very, very reticent to try to use their inherent power to jail someone. So the most they ever do these days is refer the case to the DoJ to pursue criminal contempt of congress.\nAll in all, is this a \"good\" thing? Maybe it's not as bad as we feel it to be. Imagine any sort of argument where someone demands you do something. You retort \"are you sure?\" Bystanders urge folk cool down and think about it. Map that into the way Congress changes every two years and you get a sense that unless something is important enough that it remains after the public alters the composition of the legislative branch, maybe it's not all that important (to the public) after all.\nOn the other hand, why would anyone fear Congress when they demonstrate time and again there never really are any consequences for refusal to comply with subpoenas? But... do we want to quake in fear whenever some nutjob party gains control and enacts something as dire as the Committee on Unamerican Activities?",
">\n\nWhat is the advantage of dropping the subpoena, as opposed to just letting it expire/letting the new congress withdraw it? Why go on record saying he no longer has to come in? I get that he was never going to show, I’m just curious why this is better than the alternative.",
">\n\nI’m wondering this too. There has to be a good reason.",
">\n\n?? Why, like it had no power, but still why? This looks like weakness",
">\n\nThe subpoena expires when the new congress is sworn in on Jan 3rd. There was no practical way to enforce it.",
">\n\nWhy not just let it expire?\nNow Republicans have a talking point that the January 6th Committee withdrew their subpoena.\nThey'll use it to muddy the waters and spread more misinformation.",
">\n\nThey already had their talking points. They've had them the whole time. They already released a \"counter report\" to the J6 committee. The committee withdrew it because they are closing up shop. The report is out. Where would Donnie's answers go?",
">\n\nWhy was he not charged with contempt for no show? Once again, he gets let off for bad behaviour",
">\n\nBecause they referred him for 4 much more serious crimes with longer sentences. Referring him for this is essentially pointless.",
">\n\nYes, but i see it as another nail in the coffin, and also sends a message that subpoenas are not to be ignored",
">\n\nImagine if you or I tried to just ignore a subpoena.",
">\n\nIt’s OK if you’re a Republican, as the war criminal’s daughter who voted in line with Trump’s policies during her House tenure can attest.",
">\n\nAnother instance of unequal justice under the law, imo. If you or I disregarded a subpoena from Congress we'd be going to jail...like Steve Bannon.",
">\n\nDrag it out, do nothing, repeat. Glad the J6 group produced a ton of info and exposed a lot of the bs but what's the point of nothing really happens? Media circus? I'm so tired.",
">\n\nGreat precedent. It's good to know if I'm ever subpoenaed by congress I can just ignore it.",
">\n\nJ6 knew he'd puss out and just wanted to get it on the record. And for the same reason they haven't gone after Meadows for ignoring his subpoena, are all of the other serious crimes hanging over him and the orange Traitor in Chief, especially now, the subpoenas aren't worth the time and effort.",
">\n\n\nAnd for the same reason they haven't gone after Meadows for ignoring his subpoena\n\nTo be fair... the House voted him in criminal contempt and sent the referral to that to the DoJ. There wasn't really anything they could do beyond that with respect to his subpoena (yes, inherent contempt in theory exists, in practice it would have been useless for multiple reasons).\nMeadows is also included in the big criminal referrals the committee issued as part of their report as well.",
">\n\nAs usual, this country’s justice system is a joke",
">\n\nThis was a subpoena issued by the congress, not DOJ. He would be arrested if this was subpoena by DOJ and he didn’t show.",
">\n\nLike I said lol this country’s justice system is a joke",
">\n\nBut the justice system has not been involved yet!!! Congressional hearing is not an example of the justice system. The congress has referred the case to the DOJ or “the justice system” as a result of their hearing. DOJ will pursue a criminal investigation and pursue charges. \nJudiciary (justice system as you call it), congress, and executive branches are constitutionally separate and independent to ensure checks and balances.\nJustice system in the US is not ideal, but this specific instance is not an example of these inefficiencies. This is an example of how the congress has been ineffective in doing their legislative actions. In this instance the correct statement would be “Legislative system in this country is a joke.” Justice system has not had a chance to show its incompetence yet. That will be next.",
">\n\nNaive of you to think this is anything more than a show they’re putting on. Nothing will come of it, democrats are by nature pussies let’s be real. None have any teeth or claws. The right is full of a bunch of tribalistic monkeys, party is apparently more important than country. I guess I can rephrase, besides making money and being the best business in the world, America is a joke.",
">\n\n\"OMG. I'm so outraged by this even though I have no idea why.\"\nIt'd be nice if you guys learned the difference between the subpoena and the criminal referral. trump was never going to show up for the subpoena especially since the GOP is about to take control. It's a completely moot point.",
">\n\nExactly. The committee already referred him to the DoJ on criminal charges. Everyone is acting like they're just taking their ball and going home. They already went well and beyond a mere subpoena here, and one of the charges that they're recommending is obstruction already.",
">\n\nAren’t subpoenas mandatory with consequences? Either you show up or go to jail. Trump did neither.",
">\n\nNot if you are rich. Laws are you only for the the lower 90%",
">\n\nThis is such bullshit.",
">\n\nAnother precedent set for rich criminals to not comply. If we citizens didn’t show we’d be at a black site with electrodes on our genitals.",
">\n\nThey should have charged Trump with contempt of Congress.",
">\n\nSo whens the next uprising on behalf of rich people? Just be sure you're actually a political player because if you're just a worker you'll be charged. Chess has really changed over the past hundred years.",
">\n\nTotally expected. \nTrump, the really TV star, said he'd only agree to answer the subpoena if it were live & televised. It's quite obvious the reason is that he'd ignore the questioning & use the free air time to spew his BS, much like in the Presidential debates. \nAnd I'm sure the incoming Republican House would have loved to have given him the opportunity",
">\n\nyeah kinda moot at this point , they already made those criminal referrals anyways lol i wish they would have perused charging him for not showing up however but maybe they figured in light of everything they should focus on the key issues and at this point whatever he had to say really doesnt matter anyways as he would just lie. his testimony would pretty much be useless. its still a shame we didnt get to see it just for historys sake lol",
">\n\nAl trump would do is take the 5th like any other ordinary criminal",
">\n\nSo far as things have gone, will it now be ok for Democrats to ignore all the subpoenas that this next R House is going to send around? I’d think so….",
">\n\nOur government has failed us.... Good luck everyone.",
">\n\nAh yes the criminal Justice system, quite possibly the longest running joke in America",
">\n\n& you just know the cheeto will say something like, ha!, they dropped the subpoena cause they knew I am innocent, or some 💩 like that",
">\n\nNo surprise there. Trump is above the law, as he has proven time and again, over and over throughout the last several years. \nI will be surprised if anything comes out of this investigation, at all. \nI will be surprised if the next republican president isn't worse than Trump. \nI mean seriously, how do they convict him of anything if they can't even call him for questioning. Ever heard of anyone, ever, to get convicted of a crime that didn't have to talk to investigators at some point? \nFuck America. Fuck Trump. And fuck the pussy ass people who refuse to do their fucking job.",
">\n\nThey dropped it because it wasn't necessary and would have given him a national platform needlessly. DOJ will pass to the special council which will bring formal charges, if any will be brought.",
">\n\nThis is actually heartbreaking. Seen a lot of politicians and people of note show time and time again that the rules for EVERY CITIZEN don’t apply to them and this stings just a little more",
">\n\nMy theory that he is blackmailing everyone from the White House down with Area 51 malarky is still holding water...",
">\n\nLet us all start committing crimes and see how that goes, this is bs",
">\n\nSuch bs. I knew he would sleeze his way out of any consequences for his actions. This will only embolden him & his lunatic followers. He incites a riot that kills people & gets away with it. If any of us incited a riot, we would still be in jail & if people died during the riot, we would be charged with murder as well. So sick & tired of the double standard when it comes to a president who breaks the law & walks away, just like nixon did.",
">\n\nshould not have dropped\nshould have referred it to doj for contempt of congress...\nwhite rich continue to get a pass for what the rest of us would have long ago been prosecuted and imprisoned...",
">\n\nThey already referred him to DOJ for obstruction of a govt proceeding last week. What are you talking about?",
">\n\nYeah, because why would you want to subpoena the guy who was completely responsible for the entire thing?\nThe Chuck Schumer neoliberals have engineered this to completely let Trump get away with it - because they think the Republicans are still their friends and they don't want to piss them off!",
">\n\nThey subpoenaed trump months ago. He declined to show. Since, investigation is over, they dropped it. This is not even really news worthy.",
">\n\nHalf the people in this thread have no idea what they're talking about and are confusing the subpoena with the criminal referral.",
">\n\nOh, is that what's going on? Lol. I was wondering why ppl are making a big deal about this. This is just the committee cleaning up loose ends.",
">\n\nIt's a big deal if someone who's now a private citizen, can do wtf he wants and ignore a Congressional subpoena.",
">\n\nIt takes votes by congress to hold in contempt. They didn't need trump's testimony. He would just show up and repeat I plead the 5th anyway. Pence ignored his, too. It's pointless to hold them in contempt and get off focus of actual investigation.",
">\n\nYou're proving my point. Congressional Democrats should have enforced the subpoena and made Trump plead the 5th to every question. Imagine if Pence also appeared and pled the 5th to every question. That is political magic for the Democrats, it makes them look guilty as hell.\nTrump committed a crime, and this is America. It should be the same as if I committed a crime. We would get arrested, taken to jail until the morning, see a judge and face our charges, and then either get released on OR, held for trial, or bail set. It's not much of a democracy if laws are not enforced against powerful people.",
">\n\nOnce you all realize this is just a game and you’re the pawn things will make a lot more sense.",
">\n\nNow hear him cry about never getting a chance to testify when he’s charged.",
">\n\nI see this less as a “you’re excused” and more of a “see you in court”",
">\n\nNo need to bother with it when they've already finished their work. The only thing that testimony would have accomplished would have been getting Trump to look bad on national television, and a potential perjury charge. Trump already has embarrassed himself in public in a massive way since then, and they have bigger crimes to recommend to the DOJ for prosecution.",
">\n\nThe moment they announced the subpoena everyone got a hard on that trump would have to talk. I said it then and I’ll say it again, trump will never have to face any punishment and he doesn’t have to comply to any law or rules. They’re all more suggestions instead of laws.",
">\n\nWhat a waste of fucking time",
">\n\nSo......this was a big fat waste of time and money?",
">\n\nI mean they made a criminal referral so, no? The committee wasn’t set up to solely investigate Dolt 45 and took the testimony of over a thousand people, why is it you believe withdrawing one subpoena because the committee is winding down renders the entire process a “waste of time and money.”",
">\n\nNo mention on CNN that they dropped the subpoena after a year of January 6 January 6 January 6 terrible news station",
">\n\nWell, it’s being run by a Republican so go figure",
">\n\nTalk about the wheels of justice turning slow. In this case reversing altogether. Well done.",
">\n\nI wish this surprised me.",
">\n\nLOL God this is so funny\nWhat the fuck did y'all expect if you have money you are above the law. It only applies to the poor and those who step on the toes of capital.",
">\n\nWhat a waste of money",
">\n\n...And a Happy New Year!",
">\n\nClassic",
">\n\nShocking",
">\n\nOur governing body are a bunch of cowards. The US is being safeguarded by self-interested Congresspersons who speak about accountability and act on cowardice.",
">\n\nLet's be honest he'll get away with everything with a slap on the wrist. This country won't prosecute a sitting or former president or high ranking politician, we've seen this over and over. The whole committee is sadly a publicity stunt to gain traction for Democrat's. I hope I'm completely wrong of course and that this country will start to feel like it's a democracy.",
">\n\nThe coup is in effect.",
">\n\nI have a sad feeling this committee is going to end up like a fart in the wind",
">\n\nYou’re not wrong",
">\n\nWtf are you talking about?",
">\n\nHands",
">\n\nWho are you talking to? Lmao",
">\n\nWent out with a whimper. The most Democrat thing ever.\nWish the Dems would learn how to take the gloves off, at least they would have a shot against an opponent that has no problems filling their gloves with lead shot. Then bragging about it.",
">\n\nThe subpoena, and associated contempt charges would be nothing when compared to the recommendations made by the committee to the DOJ. Whether or not the DOJ will act is all that matters at this point.",
">\n\nPathetic pieces of shit",
">\n\nAll theatre, all the time. Seems like by now, to most people, that somehow being trolled by their favorite elected might be possible.",
">\n\nSo wait, he just gets away with everything? Just like that?\nWhat about all the articles saying that Trump will most likely spend the rest of his life in prison?",
">\n\nThe subpoena has nothing to do with the recommendations made by the committee to the DOJ. The ball is in the DOJ’s court. The subpoena doesn’t impact anything. Absurd that he didn’t get held in contempt, but that is more of a distraction than anything.",
">\n\nI see. Thanks for explaining!",
">\n\nCan anyone explain why he was not arrested for not responding to the subpoena? I thought you had to respond to these?",
">\n\nFirst they would have had to vote for contempt. Then they would need to issue a referral to DOJ, then DOJ would need to consider it. That is not happening in a week before the new congress is sworn in an this committee expires. They have issued their report and no longer need to speak to him. That is why it was withdrawn. Their job is done.",
">\n\nSubpoenas are real, or they’re not.\nIn the real world if any person defied or ignored a subpoena they would be arrested immediately.\nWhy are some Americans allowed to break the law in broad daylight.",
">\n\nWhy is the DOJ dragging its feet in charging anyone?",
">\n\nDOJ has charged over 700 people out of January 6 and they continue to charge cases. Most of these cases took months if not years to come to fruition.\nAt the end of the day DOJ has no obligation to act on any of the committee’s referrals, although I believe they already have ongoing investigations as to several of the subjects. If anything new comes out of the committee’s work it’s unlikely to happen soon.",
">\n\nThe US is beyond broken. The wealthy can do whatever they want while we are the only ones who face consequences. I can’t wait to leave this shithole again. I won’t be making the mistake of coming back like I did last year.",
">\n\nSuch a farce",
">\n\nBut he wanted to appear!!",
">\n\nThe walls are closing in.",
">\n\nOk, people. Quit guilt-edging and go home.",
">\n\nWait so what is Trump a dastardly super villain who keeps getting away or a dumb oaf. You guys just can't decide.",
">\n\nI can’t wait until nothing happens!\nHas it happened yet?",
">\n\n“All animals are equal but some animals are more equal than others.” \nHey, do you think Reddit will ever reach a state of Nirvana where it will stop claiming “Trump is really sweating now!”?",
">\n\nDoes this not set some sort of precedence? If I now get subpoenaed for something can I not just point to Trump/Barr/Holder and say “no thank you”?",
">\n\nWithdrawing a subpoena sets no precedent and is not at all uncommon.",
">\n\nThe subpoena was issued quite some time ago wasn’t it? And he just flat refused. Were Barr and Holder’s also withdrawn?",
">\n\nI saw the headline and thought the committee dropped a subpoena the way you drop an album. Then I read the article and saw that they dropped it like you drop an extra filler track from an album.",
">\n\nIt would have been a waste of time anyway. \n\"Mr. Trump, did you tell your supporters that the election was stolen and send your supporters to violently break into the capitol building to stop Joe Biden from becoming president\"? - January 6th Committee \n\"The fifth\"! - Trump\nDOJ do your job to save this nation from tyranny and further destruction!🙏",
">\n\nSurprised pikachu face"
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"So far Trump's legal strategy of ignoring calls for accountability until Republicans in Congress can bail him out is workingly flawlessly.",
">\n\nThat doesn’t mean the DoJ can’t charge and prosecute. \nRight now everything is in response to republicans getting their slim majority in the house and lessen the damage they will do.\nThat said, they still have the mountain of evidence they did gather",
">\n\nWhat about when the AG/DOJ is a GOP appointee? You don’t think they’ll just put in a Bill Barr type on the entire thing?",
">\n\nNot while they have a democratic president and especially when the previous president lost them the midterms.\nThey were already planning on replacing trump with Desantes by equating the 2 (Martha’s Vineyard was part of that), they’re only gonna lose trying to put their party’s future on the line protect him further.\nThey gonna continue to spread doubt and try to discredit the investigations, but they’re barely holding onto a branch of government, they’re not stupid. Barr only worked because they held onto 2",
">\n\nUmmm that’s not what I meant. If a GOP candidate for President wins in 2024 , what are the actual legal implications. It’s not like it’s below them to interfere like they did with the collusion charges",
">\n\n\nThe House January 6 committee is withdrawing its subpoena of former President Donald Trump as it concludes its work.\n“In light of the imminent end of our investigation, the Select Committee can no longer pursue the specific information covered by the subpoena,” Chairman Bennie Thompson, a Mississippi Democrat, wrote in a letter to Trump’s attorney Wednesday obtained by CNN.\n“Therefore, through this letter, I hereby formally withdraw the subpoena issued to former President Trump, and notify you that he is no longer obligated to comply or produce records in response to said subpoena,” Thompson added.",
">\n\nConclusion: Former president Trump is above the law.",
">\n\nYeah kind of makes me sad. Trump can just ignore a subpoena, with zero consequences. \n“We believe you tried to overthrow the government. You are legally required to come talk to us about it.”\n“No thanks.”\n“Oh. Ok, never mind.”",
">\n\nNo consequences? He's has been referred to the DOJ for obstruction of a govt processing last week. They held a recorded vote.",
">\n\nThat’s not a consequence. It’s kicking the can. Trump will never, ever be held responsible for his role in destroying democracy in America.",
">\n\nThis is not TV or a movie. \"The wheels of justice grind slowly yet exceedingly fine\" is a saying for a reason. Federal investigations usually take years.",
">\n\nHe’s been investigated for years. No consequences. Just special appointments, investigations, and referrals. In the mean time, you know who DOES face consequences?\nAmerica.",
">\n\nYou are judging the end of the movie before it is over.\nThe previous investigations were being done while he had the shield of the presidency and an attorney general running obstruction for him. None of that is true now.",
">\n\nThe GOP will continue fighting on his behalf, because the majority are complicit in 45’s fuckery. Again, no consequences will be had. I’m willing to wager a gift card to your favorite local restaurant that he will live fat, rich, and free until at least the 2024/25 inauguration. Save this post.",
">\n\nWe'll see about that. I'll admit to the loss if thats the case.",
">\n\nMore proof that we the people have no rights in comparison to the billionaire ticks.",
">\n\nDude ain't no billionaire",
">\n\nNo, but his buddies are.",
">\n\nHis puppet masters maybe",
">\n\nI mean, who would have thought not starting the fight sooner would end like this?",
">\n\nDon’t worry. He’s got so many more coming.",
">\n\nThe idea that Trump will pay any price for his crimes is a fantasy.",
">\n\nIt’s actually happening. His company has been found guilty. His charity is closed. His cohorts are about to go to jail. His popularity sagging. Protection is gone. We just need the first indictment.",
">\n\nBut none is him",
">\n\nWell Trump Org is pretty much him but be patient.",
">\n\nDrops in the bucket. \nBeen patient for like 6 years now. How much more we gotta wait?",
">\n\nHe couldn’t be prosecuted while president. Watch GA and the special prosecutor. They’re moving fast.",
">\n\nCouldn't be?\nShould have been.",
">\n\nThat’s absolutely wild that any man is able to just straight up ignore a subpoena with zero consequences. Definition of “above the law”. If he gets away with this, he is going to be more dangerous than ever. You get away with leading a coup/insurrection, you’re going to assume you can get away with literally anything. \nMaybe trump was right… he really could shoot someone in the middle of 5th avenue and not lose any voters…and also probably not even get in trouble",
">\n\nSerious questions...so the committee pull the subpoena, but it's up to DOJ for any additional follow up, but when the new congress is in session they can tell DOJ to drop everything? Is that how's its going to go down? Because I thought DOJ is supposed to be independent once given the committee's findings?",
">\n\nThe DOJ is certainly independent of Congress. As for the committee - the only thing they would've done differently was vote on a criminal referral for contempt of Congress. Although there is some truth to congressional contempt needing to stem from congress, The DOJ has no obligation to act on a referral - it is more akin to a recommendation.\nWith that being said, the committee knew it wasn't going to serve any real benefit, so they decided not to.\n\nThe DOJ decided not to prosecute Meadows and Scavino for contempt due to their close ties to the executive. This pretty much ruled out any chance of it happening to Trump, a former President. \nEven a completely successful referral (Steve Bannon) showed how inconsequential Congressional subpoena power is. For one, it is a misdemeanor. It has been ~15 months since Bannon was referred, and he was found guilty and sentenced, and he is still a free man pending appeal. And even if upheld, it's only 4 months in prison as just shy of maximum sentencing guidelines. \nThe DOJ, if they prosecute, are aiming at much bigger crimes - notably Obstruction of an Official Proceeding, which carries up to 20 years. And they'd be potentially trying these crimes in the same jurisdiction.\n\nSo I'm sure the calculation was that it just wasn't worth throwing a referral at the DOJ for something they'd never follow up on, and wouldn't be much benefit if they did.",
">\n\nIn summary, he’s committed so many crimes that this one isn’t worth any effort",
">\n\nEssentially, yeah. The DOJ has two big chances to secure a conviction: Mar-A-Lago and Jan. 6 - and they will likely bring multiple charges in a D.C. court if they decide to prosecute. Mar-A-Lago will come first, which has virtually nothing to do with this committee's work.\nReferring a misdemeanor to tack onto 4 serious felonies they referred probably only risked muddying the larger offenses. Can't blame them honestly.",
">\n\nWhat is “Mar a Lago” in this context! The tax scheme? Classified documents?",
">\n\nThe classified documents",
">\n\nSmall point but they weren't all classified and don't need to be, for what he did to be illegal. Just trying to avoid republican framing.",
">\n\nHillary was not afraid to testify every time she was asked (and testified for hours and hours each time, answering all questions asked) and never took the 5th. Yet republicans act like she is the criminal when it always has been trump.",
">\n\nEven if she was wrong she was smarter than any of the R in the room. That woman was a machine during those hearings and gave them nothing to work with.",
">\n\nShe is definitely smarter than that barrel of monkeys who questioned her, but ultimately, there was nothing to get from her - the perfect opposite case of crimey benedict donald and his co-conspirators.",
">\n\nIt's interesting to see that people think this subpoena would have continued to exist past Jan 3, 2023 given that that's when ALL open subpoenas from the outgoing congress expire and become null and void. Even if the J6 committee continued to exist- they would be required to file a brand new one in the new session.",
">\n\nIt wouldn't be that hard to file a brand new subpoena, they have lawyers who work full-time for them. That isn't an obstacle.",
">\n\nExcept for the committee doesn't exist in the new Congress and they have no powers to do anything if they don't exist.",
">\n\nIt's easy to get the two confused a lot of times.",
">\n\nHow many of y'all actually thought he wasn't going to run out the clock? \nNothing will fundamentally change.",
">\n\nNobody. The “justice takes time” chorus that dominated the narrative was only here to quell social unrest so society didn’t take a dive while the rich mocked us from their golden pedestals.",
">\n\nSerious question: Why? So what if the Dems lose power in the Congress. Let the Republicans be the one to formally dismantle the committee and subpoena on record. Then when hopefully Trump is charged by the DOJ, dems have another talking point for 2024 that the Republicans hate law and order and protect mob bosses.",
">\n\nThe select committee expires at the end of the congressional session. So they do not need to question him because the committee will not exist.",
">\n\nBut what is the point of formally withdrawing the subpoena? What does it accomplish?",
">\n\nThe committee is over. They have issued the report, they are closing up shop. They are following the process. A secondary part of the committees job was to show how a REAL congressional hearing should be handled. None of that sloppy ass grandstanding they did for Benghazi",
">\n\nMy viewpoint is that Trump and the GOP are just going to use this as “proof” that he did nothing wrong. Remember how the Mueller report “exonerated” Trump? His base believes this shit wholeheartedly and I guarantee he will use this as “evidence” for his innocence.\nShowing how things SHOULD be handled instead of taking whatever measures needed to protect Americans lead to Jan 6th happening in the first place. We all know how things should be handled, how the rules should work, but one side is willing to do whatever they need to keep power and the other is getting walked over.\nIs taking the high road worth letting fascism into our government?",
">\n\nIt’s good to know that republicans are allowed to ignore subpoenas. That’s useful info for them. Don’t expect dems to get that treatment",
">\n\nThey dropped the ball in not issuing one a couple of months ago",
">\n\nActually the Democrats have done everything not to ever pick up the ball even once. They let trump appointed republicans appoint a republican special counsel to fall like a straw man to blatant obstruction in the Russia probe. They turned it into a fundraiser for campaigning. \nThis time they let liz Cheney take the reins, who was able to preserve her republican prerogatives throughout this entire ordeal. \nThe fact is that you're all being cucked by forces of controlled opposition and I'm apparently the only one in the world who can't be so easily mitigated.\nI can't depend on any of you anymore than you can depend on yourselves.",
">\n\nYou lost all credibility at the end when you said cuck and act like you’re the smartest person in the world. Be gone!",
">\n\nYeah, I don't know how anyone can be expected to be taken seriously using that whole sentence unironically.",
">\n\nI don't expect to be taken seriously whether I say it or not, yet the facts remain as I've described.",
">\n\nI didn’t see that coming, said absolutely no one.",
">\n\nWhy.",
">\n\nHUGE mistake. The committee will be dissolved by the GOPers in a couple weeks, and all this did was to give the Marmalade Moses another fake victory to rile up his lemmings.",
">\n\nIt’s funny because I say the same thing every time about trump never getting charged and I always get shit about it like BUT NO THIS TIME IS DIFFERENT. \nLmao right. Sure it is.",
">\n\nFucking same. This is just more “ammo” for his orange, shit spewing mouth.",
">\n\nThis guy is still getting more media coverage than the current potus two years into his term. Crazy.",
">\n\nIt does blow that he wasn't forced to comply with the subpoena but for people thinking what a bummer this seems like, the house is switching to a republican majority in like a week so it didn't make a whole lot of sense to leave an active subpoena on record knowing it would never be resolved. They likely knew he wasn't going to comply when it was issued only now its offical that it was officially issued, ignored by trump, and terminated. Who knows if the DOJ will eventually file but everyone pretty much already knew that little temper tantrum trump wasn't going to aid in his own house sedition investigation.",
">\n\nIf we restrict ourselves to the issue of compliance with a subpoena from this committee, then the recent election clearly mooted every aspect of penalties or consequences related to ignoring the subpoena.\nIt's like a big brother was called over and little bro wanted him to force his adversary to bow and kiss the ground. But by the time big bro finally wanders over, the kid goes \"nah... we're good.\"\nA lot of folk like to believe contempt of court or contempt of congress is like any other crime where you do the deed and have to face the punishment. But, in general, these things do not work like crimes. Even where contempt has been codified such that there is a criminal contempt aspect, the goal remains to seek or to force compliance. This leads to \"punishments\" which are better or worse depending on how you view things. A simple view is that you could be \"sentenced\" to indefinite incarceration because it's a \"jailed until compliance\" thing.\nIn this case, Congress has been very, very reticent to try to use their inherent power to jail someone. So the most they ever do these days is refer the case to the DoJ to pursue criminal contempt of congress.\nAll in all, is this a \"good\" thing? Maybe it's not as bad as we feel it to be. Imagine any sort of argument where someone demands you do something. You retort \"are you sure?\" Bystanders urge folk cool down and think about it. Map that into the way Congress changes every two years and you get a sense that unless something is important enough that it remains after the public alters the composition of the legislative branch, maybe it's not all that important (to the public) after all.\nOn the other hand, why would anyone fear Congress when they demonstrate time and again there never really are any consequences for refusal to comply with subpoenas? But... do we want to quake in fear whenever some nutjob party gains control and enacts something as dire as the Committee on Unamerican Activities?",
">\n\nWhat is the advantage of dropping the subpoena, as opposed to just letting it expire/letting the new congress withdraw it? Why go on record saying he no longer has to come in? I get that he was never going to show, I’m just curious why this is better than the alternative.",
">\n\nI’m wondering this too. There has to be a good reason.",
">\n\n?? Why, like it had no power, but still why? This looks like weakness",
">\n\nThe subpoena expires when the new congress is sworn in on Jan 3rd. There was no practical way to enforce it.",
">\n\nWhy not just let it expire?\nNow Republicans have a talking point that the January 6th Committee withdrew their subpoena.\nThey'll use it to muddy the waters and spread more misinformation.",
">\n\nThey already had their talking points. They've had them the whole time. They already released a \"counter report\" to the J6 committee. The committee withdrew it because they are closing up shop. The report is out. Where would Donnie's answers go?",
">\n\nWhy was he not charged with contempt for no show? Once again, he gets let off for bad behaviour",
">\n\nBecause they referred him for 4 much more serious crimes with longer sentences. Referring him for this is essentially pointless.",
">\n\nYes, but i see it as another nail in the coffin, and also sends a message that subpoenas are not to be ignored",
">\n\nImagine if you or I tried to just ignore a subpoena.",
">\n\nIt’s OK if you’re a Republican, as the war criminal’s daughter who voted in line with Trump’s policies during her House tenure can attest.",
">\n\nAnother instance of unequal justice under the law, imo. If you or I disregarded a subpoena from Congress we'd be going to jail...like Steve Bannon.",
">\n\nDrag it out, do nothing, repeat. Glad the J6 group produced a ton of info and exposed a lot of the bs but what's the point of nothing really happens? Media circus? I'm so tired.",
">\n\nGreat precedent. It's good to know if I'm ever subpoenaed by congress I can just ignore it.",
">\n\nJ6 knew he'd puss out and just wanted to get it on the record. And for the same reason they haven't gone after Meadows for ignoring his subpoena, are all of the other serious crimes hanging over him and the orange Traitor in Chief, especially now, the subpoenas aren't worth the time and effort.",
">\n\n\nAnd for the same reason they haven't gone after Meadows for ignoring his subpoena\n\nTo be fair... the House voted him in criminal contempt and sent the referral to that to the DoJ. There wasn't really anything they could do beyond that with respect to his subpoena (yes, inherent contempt in theory exists, in practice it would have been useless for multiple reasons).\nMeadows is also included in the big criminal referrals the committee issued as part of their report as well.",
">\n\nAs usual, this country’s justice system is a joke",
">\n\nThis was a subpoena issued by the congress, not DOJ. He would be arrested if this was subpoena by DOJ and he didn’t show.",
">\n\nLike I said lol this country’s justice system is a joke",
">\n\nBut the justice system has not been involved yet!!! Congressional hearing is not an example of the justice system. The congress has referred the case to the DOJ or “the justice system” as a result of their hearing. DOJ will pursue a criminal investigation and pursue charges. \nJudiciary (justice system as you call it), congress, and executive branches are constitutionally separate and independent to ensure checks and balances.\nJustice system in the US is not ideal, but this specific instance is not an example of these inefficiencies. This is an example of how the congress has been ineffective in doing their legislative actions. In this instance the correct statement would be “Legislative system in this country is a joke.” Justice system has not had a chance to show its incompetence yet. That will be next.",
">\n\nNaive of you to think this is anything more than a show they’re putting on. Nothing will come of it, democrats are by nature pussies let’s be real. None have any teeth or claws. The right is full of a bunch of tribalistic monkeys, party is apparently more important than country. I guess I can rephrase, besides making money and being the best business in the world, America is a joke.",
">\n\n\"OMG. I'm so outraged by this even though I have no idea why.\"\nIt'd be nice if you guys learned the difference between the subpoena and the criminal referral. trump was never going to show up for the subpoena especially since the GOP is about to take control. It's a completely moot point.",
">\n\nExactly. The committee already referred him to the DoJ on criminal charges. Everyone is acting like they're just taking their ball and going home. They already went well and beyond a mere subpoena here, and one of the charges that they're recommending is obstruction already.",
">\n\nAren’t subpoenas mandatory with consequences? Either you show up or go to jail. Trump did neither.",
">\n\nNot if you are rich. Laws are you only for the the lower 90%",
">\n\nThis is such bullshit.",
">\n\nAnother precedent set for rich criminals to not comply. If we citizens didn’t show we’d be at a black site with electrodes on our genitals.",
">\n\nThey should have charged Trump with contempt of Congress.",
">\n\nSo whens the next uprising on behalf of rich people? Just be sure you're actually a political player because if you're just a worker you'll be charged. Chess has really changed over the past hundred years.",
">\n\nTotally expected. \nTrump, the really TV star, said he'd only agree to answer the subpoena if it were live & televised. It's quite obvious the reason is that he'd ignore the questioning & use the free air time to spew his BS, much like in the Presidential debates. \nAnd I'm sure the incoming Republican House would have loved to have given him the opportunity",
">\n\nyeah kinda moot at this point , they already made those criminal referrals anyways lol i wish they would have perused charging him for not showing up however but maybe they figured in light of everything they should focus on the key issues and at this point whatever he had to say really doesnt matter anyways as he would just lie. his testimony would pretty much be useless. its still a shame we didnt get to see it just for historys sake lol",
">\n\nAl trump would do is take the 5th like any other ordinary criminal",
">\n\nSo far as things have gone, will it now be ok for Democrats to ignore all the subpoenas that this next R House is going to send around? I’d think so….",
">\n\nOur government has failed us.... Good luck everyone.",
">\n\nAh yes the criminal Justice system, quite possibly the longest running joke in America",
">\n\n& you just know the cheeto will say something like, ha!, they dropped the subpoena cause they knew I am innocent, or some 💩 like that",
">\n\nNo surprise there. Trump is above the law, as he has proven time and again, over and over throughout the last several years. \nI will be surprised if anything comes out of this investigation, at all. \nI will be surprised if the next republican president isn't worse than Trump. \nI mean seriously, how do they convict him of anything if they can't even call him for questioning. Ever heard of anyone, ever, to get convicted of a crime that didn't have to talk to investigators at some point? \nFuck America. Fuck Trump. And fuck the pussy ass people who refuse to do their fucking job.",
">\n\nThey dropped it because it wasn't necessary and would have given him a national platform needlessly. DOJ will pass to the special council which will bring formal charges, if any will be brought.",
">\n\nThis is actually heartbreaking. Seen a lot of politicians and people of note show time and time again that the rules for EVERY CITIZEN don’t apply to them and this stings just a little more",
">\n\nMy theory that he is blackmailing everyone from the White House down with Area 51 malarky is still holding water...",
">\n\nLet us all start committing crimes and see how that goes, this is bs",
">\n\nSuch bs. I knew he would sleeze his way out of any consequences for his actions. This will only embolden him & his lunatic followers. He incites a riot that kills people & gets away with it. If any of us incited a riot, we would still be in jail & if people died during the riot, we would be charged with murder as well. So sick & tired of the double standard when it comes to a president who breaks the law & walks away, just like nixon did.",
">\n\nshould not have dropped\nshould have referred it to doj for contempt of congress...\nwhite rich continue to get a pass for what the rest of us would have long ago been prosecuted and imprisoned...",
">\n\nThey already referred him to DOJ for obstruction of a govt proceeding last week. What are you talking about?",
">\n\nYeah, because why would you want to subpoena the guy who was completely responsible for the entire thing?\nThe Chuck Schumer neoliberals have engineered this to completely let Trump get away with it - because they think the Republicans are still their friends and they don't want to piss them off!",
">\n\nThey subpoenaed trump months ago. He declined to show. Since, investigation is over, they dropped it. This is not even really news worthy.",
">\n\nHalf the people in this thread have no idea what they're talking about and are confusing the subpoena with the criminal referral.",
">\n\nOh, is that what's going on? Lol. I was wondering why ppl are making a big deal about this. This is just the committee cleaning up loose ends.",
">\n\nIt's a big deal if someone who's now a private citizen, can do wtf he wants and ignore a Congressional subpoena.",
">\n\nIt takes votes by congress to hold in contempt. They didn't need trump's testimony. He would just show up and repeat I plead the 5th anyway. Pence ignored his, too. It's pointless to hold them in contempt and get off focus of actual investigation.",
">\n\nYou're proving my point. Congressional Democrats should have enforced the subpoena and made Trump plead the 5th to every question. Imagine if Pence also appeared and pled the 5th to every question. That is political magic for the Democrats, it makes them look guilty as hell.\nTrump committed a crime, and this is America. It should be the same as if I committed a crime. We would get arrested, taken to jail until the morning, see a judge and face our charges, and then either get released on OR, held for trial, or bail set. It's not much of a democracy if laws are not enforced against powerful people.",
">\n\nOnce you all realize this is just a game and you’re the pawn things will make a lot more sense.",
">\n\nNow hear him cry about never getting a chance to testify when he’s charged.",
">\n\nI see this less as a “you’re excused” and more of a “see you in court”",
">\n\nNo need to bother with it when they've already finished their work. The only thing that testimony would have accomplished would have been getting Trump to look bad on national television, and a potential perjury charge. Trump already has embarrassed himself in public in a massive way since then, and they have bigger crimes to recommend to the DOJ for prosecution.",
">\n\nThe moment they announced the subpoena everyone got a hard on that trump would have to talk. I said it then and I’ll say it again, trump will never have to face any punishment and he doesn’t have to comply to any law or rules. They’re all more suggestions instead of laws.",
">\n\nWhat a waste of fucking time",
">\n\nSo......this was a big fat waste of time and money?",
">\n\nI mean they made a criminal referral so, no? The committee wasn’t set up to solely investigate Dolt 45 and took the testimony of over a thousand people, why is it you believe withdrawing one subpoena because the committee is winding down renders the entire process a “waste of time and money.”",
">\n\nNo mention on CNN that they dropped the subpoena after a year of January 6 January 6 January 6 terrible news station",
">\n\nWell, it’s being run by a Republican so go figure",
">\n\nTalk about the wheels of justice turning slow. In this case reversing altogether. Well done.",
">\n\nI wish this surprised me.",
">\n\nLOL God this is so funny\nWhat the fuck did y'all expect if you have money you are above the law. It only applies to the poor and those who step on the toes of capital.",
">\n\nWhat a waste of money",
">\n\n...And a Happy New Year!",
">\n\nClassic",
">\n\nShocking",
">\n\nOur governing body are a bunch of cowards. The US is being safeguarded by self-interested Congresspersons who speak about accountability and act on cowardice.",
">\n\nLet's be honest he'll get away with everything with a slap on the wrist. This country won't prosecute a sitting or former president or high ranking politician, we've seen this over and over. The whole committee is sadly a publicity stunt to gain traction for Democrat's. I hope I'm completely wrong of course and that this country will start to feel like it's a democracy.",
">\n\nThe coup is in effect.",
">\n\nI have a sad feeling this committee is going to end up like a fart in the wind",
">\n\nYou’re not wrong",
">\n\nWtf are you talking about?",
">\n\nHands",
">\n\nWho are you talking to? Lmao",
">\n\nWent out with a whimper. The most Democrat thing ever.\nWish the Dems would learn how to take the gloves off, at least they would have a shot against an opponent that has no problems filling their gloves with lead shot. Then bragging about it.",
">\n\nThe subpoena, and associated contempt charges would be nothing when compared to the recommendations made by the committee to the DOJ. Whether or not the DOJ will act is all that matters at this point.",
">\n\nPathetic pieces of shit",
">\n\nAll theatre, all the time. Seems like by now, to most people, that somehow being trolled by their favorite elected might be possible.",
">\n\nSo wait, he just gets away with everything? Just like that?\nWhat about all the articles saying that Trump will most likely spend the rest of his life in prison?",
">\n\nThe subpoena has nothing to do with the recommendations made by the committee to the DOJ. The ball is in the DOJ’s court. The subpoena doesn’t impact anything. Absurd that he didn’t get held in contempt, but that is more of a distraction than anything.",
">\n\nI see. Thanks for explaining!",
">\n\nCan anyone explain why he was not arrested for not responding to the subpoena? I thought you had to respond to these?",
">\n\nFirst they would have had to vote for contempt. Then they would need to issue a referral to DOJ, then DOJ would need to consider it. That is not happening in a week before the new congress is sworn in an this committee expires. They have issued their report and no longer need to speak to him. That is why it was withdrawn. Their job is done.",
">\n\nSubpoenas are real, or they’re not.\nIn the real world if any person defied or ignored a subpoena they would be arrested immediately.\nWhy are some Americans allowed to break the law in broad daylight.",
">\n\nWhy is the DOJ dragging its feet in charging anyone?",
">\n\nDOJ has charged over 700 people out of January 6 and they continue to charge cases. Most of these cases took months if not years to come to fruition.\nAt the end of the day DOJ has no obligation to act on any of the committee’s referrals, although I believe they already have ongoing investigations as to several of the subjects. If anything new comes out of the committee’s work it’s unlikely to happen soon.",
">\n\nThe US is beyond broken. The wealthy can do whatever they want while we are the only ones who face consequences. I can’t wait to leave this shithole again. I won’t be making the mistake of coming back like I did last year.",
">\n\nSuch a farce",
">\n\nBut he wanted to appear!!",
">\n\nThe walls are closing in.",
">\n\nOk, people. Quit guilt-edging and go home.",
">\n\nWait so what is Trump a dastardly super villain who keeps getting away or a dumb oaf. You guys just can't decide.",
">\n\nI can’t wait until nothing happens!\nHas it happened yet?",
">\n\n“All animals are equal but some animals are more equal than others.” \nHey, do you think Reddit will ever reach a state of Nirvana where it will stop claiming “Trump is really sweating now!”?",
">\n\nDoes this not set some sort of precedence? If I now get subpoenaed for something can I not just point to Trump/Barr/Holder and say “no thank you”?",
">\n\nWithdrawing a subpoena sets no precedent and is not at all uncommon.",
">\n\nThe subpoena was issued quite some time ago wasn’t it? And he just flat refused. Were Barr and Holder’s also withdrawn?",
">\n\nI saw the headline and thought the committee dropped a subpoena the way you drop an album. Then I read the article and saw that they dropped it like you drop an extra filler track from an album.",
">\n\nIt would have been a waste of time anyway. \n\"Mr. Trump, did you tell your supporters that the election was stolen and send your supporters to violently break into the capitol building to stop Joe Biden from becoming president\"? - January 6th Committee \n\"The fifth\"! - Trump\nDOJ do your job to save this nation from tyranny and further destruction!🙏",
">\n\nSurprised pikachu face",
">\n\nBut these are the same people that wanted peaceful blm protestors bathed in their own blood? What point do we all take this into our own hands"
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"So far Trump's legal strategy of ignoring calls for accountability until Republicans in Congress can bail him out is workingly flawlessly.",
">\n\nThat doesn’t mean the DoJ can’t charge and prosecute. \nRight now everything is in response to republicans getting their slim majority in the house and lessen the damage they will do.\nThat said, they still have the mountain of evidence they did gather",
">\n\nWhat about when the AG/DOJ is a GOP appointee? You don’t think they’ll just put in a Bill Barr type on the entire thing?",
">\n\nNot while they have a democratic president and especially when the previous president lost them the midterms.\nThey were already planning on replacing trump with Desantes by equating the 2 (Martha’s Vineyard was part of that), they’re only gonna lose trying to put their party’s future on the line protect him further.\nThey gonna continue to spread doubt and try to discredit the investigations, but they’re barely holding onto a branch of government, they’re not stupid. Barr only worked because they held onto 2",
">\n\nUmmm that’s not what I meant. If a GOP candidate for President wins in 2024 , what are the actual legal implications. It’s not like it’s below them to interfere like they did with the collusion charges",
">\n\n\nThe House January 6 committee is withdrawing its subpoena of former President Donald Trump as it concludes its work.\n“In light of the imminent end of our investigation, the Select Committee can no longer pursue the specific information covered by the subpoena,” Chairman Bennie Thompson, a Mississippi Democrat, wrote in a letter to Trump’s attorney Wednesday obtained by CNN.\n“Therefore, through this letter, I hereby formally withdraw the subpoena issued to former President Trump, and notify you that he is no longer obligated to comply or produce records in response to said subpoena,” Thompson added.",
">\n\nConclusion: Former president Trump is above the law.",
">\n\nYeah kind of makes me sad. Trump can just ignore a subpoena, with zero consequences. \n“We believe you tried to overthrow the government. You are legally required to come talk to us about it.”\n“No thanks.”\n“Oh. Ok, never mind.”",
">\n\nNo consequences? He's has been referred to the DOJ for obstruction of a govt processing last week. They held a recorded vote.",
">\n\nThat’s not a consequence. It’s kicking the can. Trump will never, ever be held responsible for his role in destroying democracy in America.",
">\n\nThis is not TV or a movie. \"The wheels of justice grind slowly yet exceedingly fine\" is a saying for a reason. Federal investigations usually take years.",
">\n\nHe’s been investigated for years. No consequences. Just special appointments, investigations, and referrals. In the mean time, you know who DOES face consequences?\nAmerica.",
">\n\nYou are judging the end of the movie before it is over.\nThe previous investigations were being done while he had the shield of the presidency and an attorney general running obstruction for him. None of that is true now.",
">\n\nThe GOP will continue fighting on his behalf, because the majority are complicit in 45’s fuckery. Again, no consequences will be had. I’m willing to wager a gift card to your favorite local restaurant that he will live fat, rich, and free until at least the 2024/25 inauguration. Save this post.",
">\n\nWe'll see about that. I'll admit to the loss if thats the case.",
">\n\nMore proof that we the people have no rights in comparison to the billionaire ticks.",
">\n\nDude ain't no billionaire",
">\n\nNo, but his buddies are.",
">\n\nHis puppet masters maybe",
">\n\nI mean, who would have thought not starting the fight sooner would end like this?",
">\n\nDon’t worry. He’s got so many more coming.",
">\n\nThe idea that Trump will pay any price for his crimes is a fantasy.",
">\n\nIt’s actually happening. His company has been found guilty. His charity is closed. His cohorts are about to go to jail. His popularity sagging. Protection is gone. We just need the first indictment.",
">\n\nBut none is him",
">\n\nWell Trump Org is pretty much him but be patient.",
">\n\nDrops in the bucket. \nBeen patient for like 6 years now. How much more we gotta wait?",
">\n\nHe couldn’t be prosecuted while president. Watch GA and the special prosecutor. They’re moving fast.",
">\n\nCouldn't be?\nShould have been.",
">\n\nThat’s absolutely wild that any man is able to just straight up ignore a subpoena with zero consequences. Definition of “above the law”. If he gets away with this, he is going to be more dangerous than ever. You get away with leading a coup/insurrection, you’re going to assume you can get away with literally anything. \nMaybe trump was right… he really could shoot someone in the middle of 5th avenue and not lose any voters…and also probably not even get in trouble",
">\n\nSerious questions...so the committee pull the subpoena, but it's up to DOJ for any additional follow up, but when the new congress is in session they can tell DOJ to drop everything? Is that how's its going to go down? Because I thought DOJ is supposed to be independent once given the committee's findings?",
">\n\nThe DOJ is certainly independent of Congress. As for the committee - the only thing they would've done differently was vote on a criminal referral for contempt of Congress. Although there is some truth to congressional contempt needing to stem from congress, The DOJ has no obligation to act on a referral - it is more akin to a recommendation.\nWith that being said, the committee knew it wasn't going to serve any real benefit, so they decided not to.\n\nThe DOJ decided not to prosecute Meadows and Scavino for contempt due to their close ties to the executive. This pretty much ruled out any chance of it happening to Trump, a former President. \nEven a completely successful referral (Steve Bannon) showed how inconsequential Congressional subpoena power is. For one, it is a misdemeanor. It has been ~15 months since Bannon was referred, and he was found guilty and sentenced, and he is still a free man pending appeal. And even if upheld, it's only 4 months in prison as just shy of maximum sentencing guidelines. \nThe DOJ, if they prosecute, are aiming at much bigger crimes - notably Obstruction of an Official Proceeding, which carries up to 20 years. And they'd be potentially trying these crimes in the same jurisdiction.\n\nSo I'm sure the calculation was that it just wasn't worth throwing a referral at the DOJ for something they'd never follow up on, and wouldn't be much benefit if they did.",
">\n\nIn summary, he’s committed so many crimes that this one isn’t worth any effort",
">\n\nEssentially, yeah. The DOJ has two big chances to secure a conviction: Mar-A-Lago and Jan. 6 - and they will likely bring multiple charges in a D.C. court if they decide to prosecute. Mar-A-Lago will come first, which has virtually nothing to do with this committee's work.\nReferring a misdemeanor to tack onto 4 serious felonies they referred probably only risked muddying the larger offenses. Can't blame them honestly.",
">\n\nWhat is “Mar a Lago” in this context! The tax scheme? Classified documents?",
">\n\nThe classified documents",
">\n\nSmall point but they weren't all classified and don't need to be, for what he did to be illegal. Just trying to avoid republican framing.",
">\n\nHillary was not afraid to testify every time she was asked (and testified for hours and hours each time, answering all questions asked) and never took the 5th. Yet republicans act like she is the criminal when it always has been trump.",
">\n\nEven if she was wrong she was smarter than any of the R in the room. That woman was a machine during those hearings and gave them nothing to work with.",
">\n\nShe is definitely smarter than that barrel of monkeys who questioned her, but ultimately, there was nothing to get from her - the perfect opposite case of crimey benedict donald and his co-conspirators.",
">\n\nIt's interesting to see that people think this subpoena would have continued to exist past Jan 3, 2023 given that that's when ALL open subpoenas from the outgoing congress expire and become null and void. Even if the J6 committee continued to exist- they would be required to file a brand new one in the new session.",
">\n\nIt wouldn't be that hard to file a brand new subpoena, they have lawyers who work full-time for them. That isn't an obstacle.",
">\n\nExcept for the committee doesn't exist in the new Congress and they have no powers to do anything if they don't exist.",
">\n\nIt's easy to get the two confused a lot of times.",
">\n\nHow many of y'all actually thought he wasn't going to run out the clock? \nNothing will fundamentally change.",
">\n\nNobody. The “justice takes time” chorus that dominated the narrative was only here to quell social unrest so society didn’t take a dive while the rich mocked us from their golden pedestals.",
">\n\nSerious question: Why? So what if the Dems lose power in the Congress. Let the Republicans be the one to formally dismantle the committee and subpoena on record. Then when hopefully Trump is charged by the DOJ, dems have another talking point for 2024 that the Republicans hate law and order and protect mob bosses.",
">\n\nThe select committee expires at the end of the congressional session. So they do not need to question him because the committee will not exist.",
">\n\nBut what is the point of formally withdrawing the subpoena? What does it accomplish?",
">\n\nThe committee is over. They have issued the report, they are closing up shop. They are following the process. A secondary part of the committees job was to show how a REAL congressional hearing should be handled. None of that sloppy ass grandstanding they did for Benghazi",
">\n\nMy viewpoint is that Trump and the GOP are just going to use this as “proof” that he did nothing wrong. Remember how the Mueller report “exonerated” Trump? His base believes this shit wholeheartedly and I guarantee he will use this as “evidence” for his innocence.\nShowing how things SHOULD be handled instead of taking whatever measures needed to protect Americans lead to Jan 6th happening in the first place. We all know how things should be handled, how the rules should work, but one side is willing to do whatever they need to keep power and the other is getting walked over.\nIs taking the high road worth letting fascism into our government?",
">\n\nIt’s good to know that republicans are allowed to ignore subpoenas. That’s useful info for them. Don’t expect dems to get that treatment",
">\n\nThey dropped the ball in not issuing one a couple of months ago",
">\n\nActually the Democrats have done everything not to ever pick up the ball even once. They let trump appointed republicans appoint a republican special counsel to fall like a straw man to blatant obstruction in the Russia probe. They turned it into a fundraiser for campaigning. \nThis time they let liz Cheney take the reins, who was able to preserve her republican prerogatives throughout this entire ordeal. \nThe fact is that you're all being cucked by forces of controlled opposition and I'm apparently the only one in the world who can't be so easily mitigated.\nI can't depend on any of you anymore than you can depend on yourselves.",
">\n\nYou lost all credibility at the end when you said cuck and act like you’re the smartest person in the world. Be gone!",
">\n\nYeah, I don't know how anyone can be expected to be taken seriously using that whole sentence unironically.",
">\n\nI don't expect to be taken seriously whether I say it or not, yet the facts remain as I've described.",
">\n\nI didn’t see that coming, said absolutely no one.",
">\n\nWhy.",
">\n\nHUGE mistake. The committee will be dissolved by the GOPers in a couple weeks, and all this did was to give the Marmalade Moses another fake victory to rile up his lemmings.",
">\n\nIt’s funny because I say the same thing every time about trump never getting charged and I always get shit about it like BUT NO THIS TIME IS DIFFERENT. \nLmao right. Sure it is.",
">\n\nFucking same. This is just more “ammo” for his orange, shit spewing mouth.",
">\n\nThis guy is still getting more media coverage than the current potus two years into his term. Crazy.",
">\n\nIt does blow that he wasn't forced to comply with the subpoena but for people thinking what a bummer this seems like, the house is switching to a republican majority in like a week so it didn't make a whole lot of sense to leave an active subpoena on record knowing it would never be resolved. They likely knew he wasn't going to comply when it was issued only now its offical that it was officially issued, ignored by trump, and terminated. Who knows if the DOJ will eventually file but everyone pretty much already knew that little temper tantrum trump wasn't going to aid in his own house sedition investigation.",
">\n\nIf we restrict ourselves to the issue of compliance with a subpoena from this committee, then the recent election clearly mooted every aspect of penalties or consequences related to ignoring the subpoena.\nIt's like a big brother was called over and little bro wanted him to force his adversary to bow and kiss the ground. But by the time big bro finally wanders over, the kid goes \"nah... we're good.\"\nA lot of folk like to believe contempt of court or contempt of congress is like any other crime where you do the deed and have to face the punishment. But, in general, these things do not work like crimes. Even where contempt has been codified such that there is a criminal contempt aspect, the goal remains to seek or to force compliance. This leads to \"punishments\" which are better or worse depending on how you view things. A simple view is that you could be \"sentenced\" to indefinite incarceration because it's a \"jailed until compliance\" thing.\nIn this case, Congress has been very, very reticent to try to use their inherent power to jail someone. So the most they ever do these days is refer the case to the DoJ to pursue criminal contempt of congress.\nAll in all, is this a \"good\" thing? Maybe it's not as bad as we feel it to be. Imagine any sort of argument where someone demands you do something. You retort \"are you sure?\" Bystanders urge folk cool down and think about it. Map that into the way Congress changes every two years and you get a sense that unless something is important enough that it remains after the public alters the composition of the legislative branch, maybe it's not all that important (to the public) after all.\nOn the other hand, why would anyone fear Congress when they demonstrate time and again there never really are any consequences for refusal to comply with subpoenas? But... do we want to quake in fear whenever some nutjob party gains control and enacts something as dire as the Committee on Unamerican Activities?",
">\n\nWhat is the advantage of dropping the subpoena, as opposed to just letting it expire/letting the new congress withdraw it? Why go on record saying he no longer has to come in? I get that he was never going to show, I’m just curious why this is better than the alternative.",
">\n\nI’m wondering this too. There has to be a good reason.",
">\n\n?? Why, like it had no power, but still why? This looks like weakness",
">\n\nThe subpoena expires when the new congress is sworn in on Jan 3rd. There was no practical way to enforce it.",
">\n\nWhy not just let it expire?\nNow Republicans have a talking point that the January 6th Committee withdrew their subpoena.\nThey'll use it to muddy the waters and spread more misinformation.",
">\n\nThey already had their talking points. They've had them the whole time. They already released a \"counter report\" to the J6 committee. The committee withdrew it because they are closing up shop. The report is out. Where would Donnie's answers go?",
">\n\nWhy was he not charged with contempt for no show? Once again, he gets let off for bad behaviour",
">\n\nBecause they referred him for 4 much more serious crimes with longer sentences. Referring him for this is essentially pointless.",
">\n\nYes, but i see it as another nail in the coffin, and also sends a message that subpoenas are not to be ignored",
">\n\nImagine if you or I tried to just ignore a subpoena.",
">\n\nIt’s OK if you’re a Republican, as the war criminal’s daughter who voted in line with Trump’s policies during her House tenure can attest.",
">\n\nAnother instance of unequal justice under the law, imo. If you or I disregarded a subpoena from Congress we'd be going to jail...like Steve Bannon.",
">\n\nDrag it out, do nothing, repeat. Glad the J6 group produced a ton of info and exposed a lot of the bs but what's the point of nothing really happens? Media circus? I'm so tired.",
">\n\nGreat precedent. It's good to know if I'm ever subpoenaed by congress I can just ignore it.",
">\n\nJ6 knew he'd puss out and just wanted to get it on the record. And for the same reason they haven't gone after Meadows for ignoring his subpoena, are all of the other serious crimes hanging over him and the orange Traitor in Chief, especially now, the subpoenas aren't worth the time and effort.",
">\n\n\nAnd for the same reason they haven't gone after Meadows for ignoring his subpoena\n\nTo be fair... the House voted him in criminal contempt and sent the referral to that to the DoJ. There wasn't really anything they could do beyond that with respect to his subpoena (yes, inherent contempt in theory exists, in practice it would have been useless for multiple reasons).\nMeadows is also included in the big criminal referrals the committee issued as part of their report as well.",
">\n\nAs usual, this country’s justice system is a joke",
">\n\nThis was a subpoena issued by the congress, not DOJ. He would be arrested if this was subpoena by DOJ and he didn’t show.",
">\n\nLike I said lol this country’s justice system is a joke",
">\n\nBut the justice system has not been involved yet!!! Congressional hearing is not an example of the justice system. The congress has referred the case to the DOJ or “the justice system” as a result of their hearing. DOJ will pursue a criminal investigation and pursue charges. \nJudiciary (justice system as you call it), congress, and executive branches are constitutionally separate and independent to ensure checks and balances.\nJustice system in the US is not ideal, but this specific instance is not an example of these inefficiencies. This is an example of how the congress has been ineffective in doing their legislative actions. In this instance the correct statement would be “Legislative system in this country is a joke.” Justice system has not had a chance to show its incompetence yet. That will be next.",
">\n\nNaive of you to think this is anything more than a show they’re putting on. Nothing will come of it, democrats are by nature pussies let’s be real. None have any teeth or claws. The right is full of a bunch of tribalistic monkeys, party is apparently more important than country. I guess I can rephrase, besides making money and being the best business in the world, America is a joke.",
">\n\n\"OMG. I'm so outraged by this even though I have no idea why.\"\nIt'd be nice if you guys learned the difference between the subpoena and the criminal referral. trump was never going to show up for the subpoena especially since the GOP is about to take control. It's a completely moot point.",
">\n\nExactly. The committee already referred him to the DoJ on criminal charges. Everyone is acting like they're just taking their ball and going home. They already went well and beyond a mere subpoena here, and one of the charges that they're recommending is obstruction already.",
">\n\nAren’t subpoenas mandatory with consequences? Either you show up or go to jail. Trump did neither.",
">\n\nNot if you are rich. Laws are you only for the the lower 90%",
">\n\nThis is such bullshit.",
">\n\nAnother precedent set for rich criminals to not comply. If we citizens didn’t show we’d be at a black site with electrodes on our genitals.",
">\n\nThey should have charged Trump with contempt of Congress.",
">\n\nSo whens the next uprising on behalf of rich people? Just be sure you're actually a political player because if you're just a worker you'll be charged. Chess has really changed over the past hundred years.",
">\n\nTotally expected. \nTrump, the really TV star, said he'd only agree to answer the subpoena if it were live & televised. It's quite obvious the reason is that he'd ignore the questioning & use the free air time to spew his BS, much like in the Presidential debates. \nAnd I'm sure the incoming Republican House would have loved to have given him the opportunity",
">\n\nyeah kinda moot at this point , they already made those criminal referrals anyways lol i wish they would have perused charging him for not showing up however but maybe they figured in light of everything they should focus on the key issues and at this point whatever he had to say really doesnt matter anyways as he would just lie. his testimony would pretty much be useless. its still a shame we didnt get to see it just for historys sake lol",
">\n\nAl trump would do is take the 5th like any other ordinary criminal",
">\n\nSo far as things have gone, will it now be ok for Democrats to ignore all the subpoenas that this next R House is going to send around? I’d think so….",
">\n\nOur government has failed us.... Good luck everyone.",
">\n\nAh yes the criminal Justice system, quite possibly the longest running joke in America",
">\n\n& you just know the cheeto will say something like, ha!, they dropped the subpoena cause they knew I am innocent, or some 💩 like that",
">\n\nNo surprise there. Trump is above the law, as he has proven time and again, over and over throughout the last several years. \nI will be surprised if anything comes out of this investigation, at all. \nI will be surprised if the next republican president isn't worse than Trump. \nI mean seriously, how do they convict him of anything if they can't even call him for questioning. Ever heard of anyone, ever, to get convicted of a crime that didn't have to talk to investigators at some point? \nFuck America. Fuck Trump. And fuck the pussy ass people who refuse to do their fucking job.",
">\n\nThey dropped it because it wasn't necessary and would have given him a national platform needlessly. DOJ will pass to the special council which will bring formal charges, if any will be brought.",
">\n\nThis is actually heartbreaking. Seen a lot of politicians and people of note show time and time again that the rules for EVERY CITIZEN don’t apply to them and this stings just a little more",
">\n\nMy theory that he is blackmailing everyone from the White House down with Area 51 malarky is still holding water...",
">\n\nLet us all start committing crimes and see how that goes, this is bs",
">\n\nSuch bs. I knew he would sleeze his way out of any consequences for his actions. This will only embolden him & his lunatic followers. He incites a riot that kills people & gets away with it. If any of us incited a riot, we would still be in jail & if people died during the riot, we would be charged with murder as well. So sick & tired of the double standard when it comes to a president who breaks the law & walks away, just like nixon did.",
">\n\nshould not have dropped\nshould have referred it to doj for contempt of congress...\nwhite rich continue to get a pass for what the rest of us would have long ago been prosecuted and imprisoned...",
">\n\nThey already referred him to DOJ for obstruction of a govt proceeding last week. What are you talking about?",
">\n\nYeah, because why would you want to subpoena the guy who was completely responsible for the entire thing?\nThe Chuck Schumer neoliberals have engineered this to completely let Trump get away with it - because they think the Republicans are still their friends and they don't want to piss them off!",
">\n\nThey subpoenaed trump months ago. He declined to show. Since, investigation is over, they dropped it. This is not even really news worthy.",
">\n\nHalf the people in this thread have no idea what they're talking about and are confusing the subpoena with the criminal referral.",
">\n\nOh, is that what's going on? Lol. I was wondering why ppl are making a big deal about this. This is just the committee cleaning up loose ends.",
">\n\nIt's a big deal if someone who's now a private citizen, can do wtf he wants and ignore a Congressional subpoena.",
">\n\nIt takes votes by congress to hold in contempt. They didn't need trump's testimony. He would just show up and repeat I plead the 5th anyway. Pence ignored his, too. It's pointless to hold them in contempt and get off focus of actual investigation.",
">\n\nYou're proving my point. Congressional Democrats should have enforced the subpoena and made Trump plead the 5th to every question. Imagine if Pence also appeared and pled the 5th to every question. That is political magic for the Democrats, it makes them look guilty as hell.\nTrump committed a crime, and this is America. It should be the same as if I committed a crime. We would get arrested, taken to jail until the morning, see a judge and face our charges, and then either get released on OR, held for trial, or bail set. It's not much of a democracy if laws are not enforced against powerful people.",
">\n\nOnce you all realize this is just a game and you’re the pawn things will make a lot more sense.",
">\n\nNow hear him cry about never getting a chance to testify when he’s charged.",
">\n\nI see this less as a “you’re excused” and more of a “see you in court”",
">\n\nNo need to bother with it when they've already finished their work. The only thing that testimony would have accomplished would have been getting Trump to look bad on national television, and a potential perjury charge. Trump already has embarrassed himself in public in a massive way since then, and they have bigger crimes to recommend to the DOJ for prosecution.",
">\n\nThe moment they announced the subpoena everyone got a hard on that trump would have to talk. I said it then and I’ll say it again, trump will never have to face any punishment and he doesn’t have to comply to any law or rules. They’re all more suggestions instead of laws.",
">\n\nWhat a waste of fucking time",
">\n\nSo......this was a big fat waste of time and money?",
">\n\nI mean they made a criminal referral so, no? The committee wasn’t set up to solely investigate Dolt 45 and took the testimony of over a thousand people, why is it you believe withdrawing one subpoena because the committee is winding down renders the entire process a “waste of time and money.”",
">\n\nNo mention on CNN that they dropped the subpoena after a year of January 6 January 6 January 6 terrible news station",
">\n\nWell, it’s being run by a Republican so go figure",
">\n\nTalk about the wheels of justice turning slow. In this case reversing altogether. Well done.",
">\n\nI wish this surprised me.",
">\n\nLOL God this is so funny\nWhat the fuck did y'all expect if you have money you are above the law. It only applies to the poor and those who step on the toes of capital.",
">\n\nWhat a waste of money",
">\n\n...And a Happy New Year!",
">\n\nClassic",
">\n\nShocking",
">\n\nOur governing body are a bunch of cowards. The US is being safeguarded by self-interested Congresspersons who speak about accountability and act on cowardice.",
">\n\nLet's be honest he'll get away with everything with a slap on the wrist. This country won't prosecute a sitting or former president or high ranking politician, we've seen this over and over. The whole committee is sadly a publicity stunt to gain traction for Democrat's. I hope I'm completely wrong of course and that this country will start to feel like it's a democracy.",
">\n\nThe coup is in effect.",
">\n\nI have a sad feeling this committee is going to end up like a fart in the wind",
">\n\nYou’re not wrong",
">\n\nWtf are you talking about?",
">\n\nHands",
">\n\nWho are you talking to? Lmao",
">\n\nWent out with a whimper. The most Democrat thing ever.\nWish the Dems would learn how to take the gloves off, at least they would have a shot against an opponent that has no problems filling their gloves with lead shot. Then bragging about it.",
">\n\nThe subpoena, and associated contempt charges would be nothing when compared to the recommendations made by the committee to the DOJ. Whether or not the DOJ will act is all that matters at this point.",
">\n\nPathetic pieces of shit",
">\n\nAll theatre, all the time. Seems like by now, to most people, that somehow being trolled by their favorite elected might be possible.",
">\n\nSo wait, he just gets away with everything? Just like that?\nWhat about all the articles saying that Trump will most likely spend the rest of his life in prison?",
">\n\nThe subpoena has nothing to do with the recommendations made by the committee to the DOJ. The ball is in the DOJ’s court. The subpoena doesn’t impact anything. Absurd that he didn’t get held in contempt, but that is more of a distraction than anything.",
">\n\nI see. Thanks for explaining!",
">\n\nCan anyone explain why he was not arrested for not responding to the subpoena? I thought you had to respond to these?",
">\n\nFirst they would have had to vote for contempt. Then they would need to issue a referral to DOJ, then DOJ would need to consider it. That is not happening in a week before the new congress is sworn in an this committee expires. They have issued their report and no longer need to speak to him. That is why it was withdrawn. Their job is done.",
">\n\nSubpoenas are real, or they’re not.\nIn the real world if any person defied or ignored a subpoena they would be arrested immediately.\nWhy are some Americans allowed to break the law in broad daylight.",
">\n\nWhy is the DOJ dragging its feet in charging anyone?",
">\n\nDOJ has charged over 700 people out of January 6 and they continue to charge cases. Most of these cases took months if not years to come to fruition.\nAt the end of the day DOJ has no obligation to act on any of the committee’s referrals, although I believe they already have ongoing investigations as to several of the subjects. If anything new comes out of the committee’s work it’s unlikely to happen soon.",
">\n\nThe US is beyond broken. The wealthy can do whatever they want while we are the only ones who face consequences. I can’t wait to leave this shithole again. I won’t be making the mistake of coming back like I did last year.",
">\n\nSuch a farce",
">\n\nBut he wanted to appear!!",
">\n\nThe walls are closing in.",
">\n\nOk, people. Quit guilt-edging and go home.",
">\n\nWait so what is Trump a dastardly super villain who keeps getting away or a dumb oaf. You guys just can't decide.",
">\n\nI can’t wait until nothing happens!\nHas it happened yet?",
">\n\n“All animals are equal but some animals are more equal than others.” \nHey, do you think Reddit will ever reach a state of Nirvana where it will stop claiming “Trump is really sweating now!”?",
">\n\nDoes this not set some sort of precedence? If I now get subpoenaed for something can I not just point to Trump/Barr/Holder and say “no thank you”?",
">\n\nWithdrawing a subpoena sets no precedent and is not at all uncommon.",
">\n\nThe subpoena was issued quite some time ago wasn’t it? And he just flat refused. Were Barr and Holder’s also withdrawn?",
">\n\nI saw the headline and thought the committee dropped a subpoena the way you drop an album. Then I read the article and saw that they dropped it like you drop an extra filler track from an album.",
">\n\nIt would have been a waste of time anyway. \n\"Mr. Trump, did you tell your supporters that the election was stolen and send your supporters to violently break into the capitol building to stop Joe Biden from becoming president\"? - January 6th Committee \n\"The fifth\"! - Trump\nDOJ do your job to save this nation from tyranny and further destruction!🙏",
">\n\nSurprised pikachu face",
">\n\nBut these are the same people that wanted peaceful blm protestors bathed in their own blood? What point do we all take this into our own hands",
">\n\nOh, wow. This is really bad for you, US. Like ultra super deluxe so very not good."
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"So far Trump's legal strategy of ignoring calls for accountability until Republicans in Congress can bail him out is workingly flawlessly.",
">\n\nThat doesn’t mean the DoJ can’t charge and prosecute. \nRight now everything is in response to republicans getting their slim majority in the house and lessen the damage they will do.\nThat said, they still have the mountain of evidence they did gather",
">\n\nWhat about when the AG/DOJ is a GOP appointee? You don’t think they’ll just put in a Bill Barr type on the entire thing?",
">\n\nNot while they have a democratic president and especially when the previous president lost them the midterms.\nThey were already planning on replacing trump with Desantes by equating the 2 (Martha’s Vineyard was part of that), they’re only gonna lose trying to put their party’s future on the line protect him further.\nThey gonna continue to spread doubt and try to discredit the investigations, but they’re barely holding onto a branch of government, they’re not stupid. Barr only worked because they held onto 2",
">\n\nUmmm that’s not what I meant. If a GOP candidate for President wins in 2024 , what are the actual legal implications. It’s not like it’s below them to interfere like they did with the collusion charges",
">\n\n\nThe House January 6 committee is withdrawing its subpoena of former President Donald Trump as it concludes its work.\n“In light of the imminent end of our investigation, the Select Committee can no longer pursue the specific information covered by the subpoena,” Chairman Bennie Thompson, a Mississippi Democrat, wrote in a letter to Trump’s attorney Wednesday obtained by CNN.\n“Therefore, through this letter, I hereby formally withdraw the subpoena issued to former President Trump, and notify you that he is no longer obligated to comply or produce records in response to said subpoena,” Thompson added.",
">\n\nConclusion: Former president Trump is above the law.",
">\n\nYeah kind of makes me sad. Trump can just ignore a subpoena, with zero consequences. \n“We believe you tried to overthrow the government. You are legally required to come talk to us about it.”\n“No thanks.”\n“Oh. Ok, never mind.”",
">\n\nNo consequences? He's has been referred to the DOJ for obstruction of a govt processing last week. They held a recorded vote.",
">\n\nThat’s not a consequence. It’s kicking the can. Trump will never, ever be held responsible for his role in destroying democracy in America.",
">\n\nThis is not TV or a movie. \"The wheels of justice grind slowly yet exceedingly fine\" is a saying for a reason. Federal investigations usually take years.",
">\n\nHe’s been investigated for years. No consequences. Just special appointments, investigations, and referrals. In the mean time, you know who DOES face consequences?\nAmerica.",
">\n\nYou are judging the end of the movie before it is over.\nThe previous investigations were being done while he had the shield of the presidency and an attorney general running obstruction for him. None of that is true now.",
">\n\nThe GOP will continue fighting on his behalf, because the majority are complicit in 45’s fuckery. Again, no consequences will be had. I’m willing to wager a gift card to your favorite local restaurant that he will live fat, rich, and free until at least the 2024/25 inauguration. Save this post.",
">\n\nWe'll see about that. I'll admit to the loss if thats the case.",
">\n\nMore proof that we the people have no rights in comparison to the billionaire ticks.",
">\n\nDude ain't no billionaire",
">\n\nNo, but his buddies are.",
">\n\nHis puppet masters maybe",
">\n\nI mean, who would have thought not starting the fight sooner would end like this?",
">\n\nDon’t worry. He’s got so many more coming.",
">\n\nThe idea that Trump will pay any price for his crimes is a fantasy.",
">\n\nIt’s actually happening. His company has been found guilty. His charity is closed. His cohorts are about to go to jail. His popularity sagging. Protection is gone. We just need the first indictment.",
">\n\nBut none is him",
">\n\nWell Trump Org is pretty much him but be patient.",
">\n\nDrops in the bucket. \nBeen patient for like 6 years now. How much more we gotta wait?",
">\n\nHe couldn’t be prosecuted while president. Watch GA and the special prosecutor. They’re moving fast.",
">\n\nCouldn't be?\nShould have been.",
">\n\nThat’s absolutely wild that any man is able to just straight up ignore a subpoena with zero consequences. Definition of “above the law”. If he gets away with this, he is going to be more dangerous than ever. You get away with leading a coup/insurrection, you’re going to assume you can get away with literally anything. \nMaybe trump was right… he really could shoot someone in the middle of 5th avenue and not lose any voters…and also probably not even get in trouble",
">\n\nSerious questions...so the committee pull the subpoena, but it's up to DOJ for any additional follow up, but when the new congress is in session they can tell DOJ to drop everything? Is that how's its going to go down? Because I thought DOJ is supposed to be independent once given the committee's findings?",
">\n\nThe DOJ is certainly independent of Congress. As for the committee - the only thing they would've done differently was vote on a criminal referral for contempt of Congress. Although there is some truth to congressional contempt needing to stem from congress, The DOJ has no obligation to act on a referral - it is more akin to a recommendation.\nWith that being said, the committee knew it wasn't going to serve any real benefit, so they decided not to.\n\nThe DOJ decided not to prosecute Meadows and Scavino for contempt due to their close ties to the executive. This pretty much ruled out any chance of it happening to Trump, a former President. \nEven a completely successful referral (Steve Bannon) showed how inconsequential Congressional subpoena power is. For one, it is a misdemeanor. It has been ~15 months since Bannon was referred, and he was found guilty and sentenced, and he is still a free man pending appeal. And even if upheld, it's only 4 months in prison as just shy of maximum sentencing guidelines. \nThe DOJ, if they prosecute, are aiming at much bigger crimes - notably Obstruction of an Official Proceeding, which carries up to 20 years. And they'd be potentially trying these crimes in the same jurisdiction.\n\nSo I'm sure the calculation was that it just wasn't worth throwing a referral at the DOJ for something they'd never follow up on, and wouldn't be much benefit if they did.",
">\n\nIn summary, he’s committed so many crimes that this one isn’t worth any effort",
">\n\nEssentially, yeah. The DOJ has two big chances to secure a conviction: Mar-A-Lago and Jan. 6 - and they will likely bring multiple charges in a D.C. court if they decide to prosecute. Mar-A-Lago will come first, which has virtually nothing to do with this committee's work.\nReferring a misdemeanor to tack onto 4 serious felonies they referred probably only risked muddying the larger offenses. Can't blame them honestly.",
">\n\nWhat is “Mar a Lago” in this context! The tax scheme? Classified documents?",
">\n\nThe classified documents",
">\n\nSmall point but they weren't all classified and don't need to be, for what he did to be illegal. Just trying to avoid republican framing.",
">\n\nHillary was not afraid to testify every time she was asked (and testified for hours and hours each time, answering all questions asked) and never took the 5th. Yet republicans act like she is the criminal when it always has been trump.",
">\n\nEven if she was wrong she was smarter than any of the R in the room. That woman was a machine during those hearings and gave them nothing to work with.",
">\n\nShe is definitely smarter than that barrel of monkeys who questioned her, but ultimately, there was nothing to get from her - the perfect opposite case of crimey benedict donald and his co-conspirators.",
">\n\nIt's interesting to see that people think this subpoena would have continued to exist past Jan 3, 2023 given that that's when ALL open subpoenas from the outgoing congress expire and become null and void. Even if the J6 committee continued to exist- they would be required to file a brand new one in the new session.",
">\n\nIt wouldn't be that hard to file a brand new subpoena, they have lawyers who work full-time for them. That isn't an obstacle.",
">\n\nExcept for the committee doesn't exist in the new Congress and they have no powers to do anything if they don't exist.",
">\n\nIt's easy to get the two confused a lot of times.",
">\n\nHow many of y'all actually thought he wasn't going to run out the clock? \nNothing will fundamentally change.",
">\n\nNobody. The “justice takes time” chorus that dominated the narrative was only here to quell social unrest so society didn’t take a dive while the rich mocked us from their golden pedestals.",
">\n\nSerious question: Why? So what if the Dems lose power in the Congress. Let the Republicans be the one to formally dismantle the committee and subpoena on record. Then when hopefully Trump is charged by the DOJ, dems have another talking point for 2024 that the Republicans hate law and order and protect mob bosses.",
">\n\nThe select committee expires at the end of the congressional session. So they do not need to question him because the committee will not exist.",
">\n\nBut what is the point of formally withdrawing the subpoena? What does it accomplish?",
">\n\nThe committee is over. They have issued the report, they are closing up shop. They are following the process. A secondary part of the committees job was to show how a REAL congressional hearing should be handled. None of that sloppy ass grandstanding they did for Benghazi",
">\n\nMy viewpoint is that Trump and the GOP are just going to use this as “proof” that he did nothing wrong. Remember how the Mueller report “exonerated” Trump? His base believes this shit wholeheartedly and I guarantee he will use this as “evidence” for his innocence.\nShowing how things SHOULD be handled instead of taking whatever measures needed to protect Americans lead to Jan 6th happening in the first place. We all know how things should be handled, how the rules should work, but one side is willing to do whatever they need to keep power and the other is getting walked over.\nIs taking the high road worth letting fascism into our government?",
">\n\nIt’s good to know that republicans are allowed to ignore subpoenas. That’s useful info for them. Don’t expect dems to get that treatment",
">\n\nThey dropped the ball in not issuing one a couple of months ago",
">\n\nActually the Democrats have done everything not to ever pick up the ball even once. They let trump appointed republicans appoint a republican special counsel to fall like a straw man to blatant obstruction in the Russia probe. They turned it into a fundraiser for campaigning. \nThis time they let liz Cheney take the reins, who was able to preserve her republican prerogatives throughout this entire ordeal. \nThe fact is that you're all being cucked by forces of controlled opposition and I'm apparently the only one in the world who can't be so easily mitigated.\nI can't depend on any of you anymore than you can depend on yourselves.",
">\n\nYou lost all credibility at the end when you said cuck and act like you’re the smartest person in the world. Be gone!",
">\n\nYeah, I don't know how anyone can be expected to be taken seriously using that whole sentence unironically.",
">\n\nI don't expect to be taken seriously whether I say it or not, yet the facts remain as I've described.",
">\n\nI didn’t see that coming, said absolutely no one.",
">\n\nWhy.",
">\n\nHUGE mistake. The committee will be dissolved by the GOPers in a couple weeks, and all this did was to give the Marmalade Moses another fake victory to rile up his lemmings.",
">\n\nIt’s funny because I say the same thing every time about trump never getting charged and I always get shit about it like BUT NO THIS TIME IS DIFFERENT. \nLmao right. Sure it is.",
">\n\nFucking same. This is just more “ammo” for his orange, shit spewing mouth.",
">\n\nThis guy is still getting more media coverage than the current potus two years into his term. Crazy.",
">\n\nIt does blow that he wasn't forced to comply with the subpoena but for people thinking what a bummer this seems like, the house is switching to a republican majority in like a week so it didn't make a whole lot of sense to leave an active subpoena on record knowing it would never be resolved. They likely knew he wasn't going to comply when it was issued only now its offical that it was officially issued, ignored by trump, and terminated. Who knows if the DOJ will eventually file but everyone pretty much already knew that little temper tantrum trump wasn't going to aid in his own house sedition investigation.",
">\n\nIf we restrict ourselves to the issue of compliance with a subpoena from this committee, then the recent election clearly mooted every aspect of penalties or consequences related to ignoring the subpoena.\nIt's like a big brother was called over and little bro wanted him to force his adversary to bow and kiss the ground. But by the time big bro finally wanders over, the kid goes \"nah... we're good.\"\nA lot of folk like to believe contempt of court or contempt of congress is like any other crime where you do the deed and have to face the punishment. But, in general, these things do not work like crimes. Even where contempt has been codified such that there is a criminal contempt aspect, the goal remains to seek or to force compliance. This leads to \"punishments\" which are better or worse depending on how you view things. A simple view is that you could be \"sentenced\" to indefinite incarceration because it's a \"jailed until compliance\" thing.\nIn this case, Congress has been very, very reticent to try to use their inherent power to jail someone. So the most they ever do these days is refer the case to the DoJ to pursue criminal contempt of congress.\nAll in all, is this a \"good\" thing? Maybe it's not as bad as we feel it to be. Imagine any sort of argument where someone demands you do something. You retort \"are you sure?\" Bystanders urge folk cool down and think about it. Map that into the way Congress changes every two years and you get a sense that unless something is important enough that it remains after the public alters the composition of the legislative branch, maybe it's not all that important (to the public) after all.\nOn the other hand, why would anyone fear Congress when they demonstrate time and again there never really are any consequences for refusal to comply with subpoenas? But... do we want to quake in fear whenever some nutjob party gains control and enacts something as dire as the Committee on Unamerican Activities?",
">\n\nWhat is the advantage of dropping the subpoena, as opposed to just letting it expire/letting the new congress withdraw it? Why go on record saying he no longer has to come in? I get that he was never going to show, I’m just curious why this is better than the alternative.",
">\n\nI’m wondering this too. There has to be a good reason.",
">\n\n?? Why, like it had no power, but still why? This looks like weakness",
">\n\nThe subpoena expires when the new congress is sworn in on Jan 3rd. There was no practical way to enforce it.",
">\n\nWhy not just let it expire?\nNow Republicans have a talking point that the January 6th Committee withdrew their subpoena.\nThey'll use it to muddy the waters and spread more misinformation.",
">\n\nThey already had their talking points. They've had them the whole time. They already released a \"counter report\" to the J6 committee. The committee withdrew it because they are closing up shop. The report is out. Where would Donnie's answers go?",
">\n\nWhy was he not charged with contempt for no show? Once again, he gets let off for bad behaviour",
">\n\nBecause they referred him for 4 much more serious crimes with longer sentences. Referring him for this is essentially pointless.",
">\n\nYes, but i see it as another nail in the coffin, and also sends a message that subpoenas are not to be ignored",
">\n\nImagine if you or I tried to just ignore a subpoena.",
">\n\nIt’s OK if you’re a Republican, as the war criminal’s daughter who voted in line with Trump’s policies during her House tenure can attest.",
">\n\nAnother instance of unequal justice under the law, imo. If you or I disregarded a subpoena from Congress we'd be going to jail...like Steve Bannon.",
">\n\nDrag it out, do nothing, repeat. Glad the J6 group produced a ton of info and exposed a lot of the bs but what's the point of nothing really happens? Media circus? I'm so tired.",
">\n\nGreat precedent. It's good to know if I'm ever subpoenaed by congress I can just ignore it.",
">\n\nJ6 knew he'd puss out and just wanted to get it on the record. And for the same reason they haven't gone after Meadows for ignoring his subpoena, are all of the other serious crimes hanging over him and the orange Traitor in Chief, especially now, the subpoenas aren't worth the time and effort.",
">\n\n\nAnd for the same reason they haven't gone after Meadows for ignoring his subpoena\n\nTo be fair... the House voted him in criminal contempt and sent the referral to that to the DoJ. There wasn't really anything they could do beyond that with respect to his subpoena (yes, inherent contempt in theory exists, in practice it would have been useless for multiple reasons).\nMeadows is also included in the big criminal referrals the committee issued as part of their report as well.",
">\n\nAs usual, this country’s justice system is a joke",
">\n\nThis was a subpoena issued by the congress, not DOJ. He would be arrested if this was subpoena by DOJ and he didn’t show.",
">\n\nLike I said lol this country’s justice system is a joke",
">\n\nBut the justice system has not been involved yet!!! Congressional hearing is not an example of the justice system. The congress has referred the case to the DOJ or “the justice system” as a result of their hearing. DOJ will pursue a criminal investigation and pursue charges. \nJudiciary (justice system as you call it), congress, and executive branches are constitutionally separate and independent to ensure checks and balances.\nJustice system in the US is not ideal, but this specific instance is not an example of these inefficiencies. This is an example of how the congress has been ineffective in doing their legislative actions. In this instance the correct statement would be “Legislative system in this country is a joke.” Justice system has not had a chance to show its incompetence yet. That will be next.",
">\n\nNaive of you to think this is anything more than a show they’re putting on. Nothing will come of it, democrats are by nature pussies let’s be real. None have any teeth or claws. The right is full of a bunch of tribalistic monkeys, party is apparently more important than country. I guess I can rephrase, besides making money and being the best business in the world, America is a joke.",
">\n\n\"OMG. I'm so outraged by this even though I have no idea why.\"\nIt'd be nice if you guys learned the difference between the subpoena and the criminal referral. trump was never going to show up for the subpoena especially since the GOP is about to take control. It's a completely moot point.",
">\n\nExactly. The committee already referred him to the DoJ on criminal charges. Everyone is acting like they're just taking their ball and going home. They already went well and beyond a mere subpoena here, and one of the charges that they're recommending is obstruction already.",
">\n\nAren’t subpoenas mandatory with consequences? Either you show up or go to jail. Trump did neither.",
">\n\nNot if you are rich. Laws are you only for the the lower 90%",
">\n\nThis is such bullshit.",
">\n\nAnother precedent set for rich criminals to not comply. If we citizens didn’t show we’d be at a black site with electrodes on our genitals.",
">\n\nThey should have charged Trump with contempt of Congress.",
">\n\nSo whens the next uprising on behalf of rich people? Just be sure you're actually a political player because if you're just a worker you'll be charged. Chess has really changed over the past hundred years.",
">\n\nTotally expected. \nTrump, the really TV star, said he'd only agree to answer the subpoena if it were live & televised. It's quite obvious the reason is that he'd ignore the questioning & use the free air time to spew his BS, much like in the Presidential debates. \nAnd I'm sure the incoming Republican House would have loved to have given him the opportunity",
">\n\nyeah kinda moot at this point , they already made those criminal referrals anyways lol i wish they would have perused charging him for not showing up however but maybe they figured in light of everything they should focus on the key issues and at this point whatever he had to say really doesnt matter anyways as he would just lie. his testimony would pretty much be useless. its still a shame we didnt get to see it just for historys sake lol",
">\n\nAl trump would do is take the 5th like any other ordinary criminal",
">\n\nSo far as things have gone, will it now be ok for Democrats to ignore all the subpoenas that this next R House is going to send around? I’d think so….",
">\n\nOur government has failed us.... Good luck everyone.",
">\n\nAh yes the criminal Justice system, quite possibly the longest running joke in America",
">\n\n& you just know the cheeto will say something like, ha!, they dropped the subpoena cause they knew I am innocent, or some 💩 like that",
">\n\nNo surprise there. Trump is above the law, as he has proven time and again, over and over throughout the last several years. \nI will be surprised if anything comes out of this investigation, at all. \nI will be surprised if the next republican president isn't worse than Trump. \nI mean seriously, how do they convict him of anything if they can't even call him for questioning. Ever heard of anyone, ever, to get convicted of a crime that didn't have to talk to investigators at some point? \nFuck America. Fuck Trump. And fuck the pussy ass people who refuse to do their fucking job.",
">\n\nThey dropped it because it wasn't necessary and would have given him a national platform needlessly. DOJ will pass to the special council which will bring formal charges, if any will be brought.",
">\n\nThis is actually heartbreaking. Seen a lot of politicians and people of note show time and time again that the rules for EVERY CITIZEN don’t apply to them and this stings just a little more",
">\n\nMy theory that he is blackmailing everyone from the White House down with Area 51 malarky is still holding water...",
">\n\nLet us all start committing crimes and see how that goes, this is bs",
">\n\nSuch bs. I knew he would sleeze his way out of any consequences for his actions. This will only embolden him & his lunatic followers. He incites a riot that kills people & gets away with it. If any of us incited a riot, we would still be in jail & if people died during the riot, we would be charged with murder as well. So sick & tired of the double standard when it comes to a president who breaks the law & walks away, just like nixon did.",
">\n\nshould not have dropped\nshould have referred it to doj for contempt of congress...\nwhite rich continue to get a pass for what the rest of us would have long ago been prosecuted and imprisoned...",
">\n\nThey already referred him to DOJ for obstruction of a govt proceeding last week. What are you talking about?",
">\n\nYeah, because why would you want to subpoena the guy who was completely responsible for the entire thing?\nThe Chuck Schumer neoliberals have engineered this to completely let Trump get away with it - because they think the Republicans are still their friends and they don't want to piss them off!",
">\n\nThey subpoenaed trump months ago. He declined to show. Since, investigation is over, they dropped it. This is not even really news worthy.",
">\n\nHalf the people in this thread have no idea what they're talking about and are confusing the subpoena with the criminal referral.",
">\n\nOh, is that what's going on? Lol. I was wondering why ppl are making a big deal about this. This is just the committee cleaning up loose ends.",
">\n\nIt's a big deal if someone who's now a private citizen, can do wtf he wants and ignore a Congressional subpoena.",
">\n\nIt takes votes by congress to hold in contempt. They didn't need trump's testimony. He would just show up and repeat I plead the 5th anyway. Pence ignored his, too. It's pointless to hold them in contempt and get off focus of actual investigation.",
">\n\nYou're proving my point. Congressional Democrats should have enforced the subpoena and made Trump plead the 5th to every question. Imagine if Pence also appeared and pled the 5th to every question. That is political magic for the Democrats, it makes them look guilty as hell.\nTrump committed a crime, and this is America. It should be the same as if I committed a crime. We would get arrested, taken to jail until the morning, see a judge and face our charges, and then either get released on OR, held for trial, or bail set. It's not much of a democracy if laws are not enforced against powerful people.",
">\n\nOnce you all realize this is just a game and you’re the pawn things will make a lot more sense.",
">\n\nNow hear him cry about never getting a chance to testify when he’s charged.",
">\n\nI see this less as a “you’re excused” and more of a “see you in court”",
">\n\nNo need to bother with it when they've already finished their work. The only thing that testimony would have accomplished would have been getting Trump to look bad on national television, and a potential perjury charge. Trump already has embarrassed himself in public in a massive way since then, and they have bigger crimes to recommend to the DOJ for prosecution.",
">\n\nThe moment they announced the subpoena everyone got a hard on that trump would have to talk. I said it then and I’ll say it again, trump will never have to face any punishment and he doesn’t have to comply to any law or rules. They’re all more suggestions instead of laws.",
">\n\nWhat a waste of fucking time",
">\n\nSo......this was a big fat waste of time and money?",
">\n\nI mean they made a criminal referral so, no? The committee wasn’t set up to solely investigate Dolt 45 and took the testimony of over a thousand people, why is it you believe withdrawing one subpoena because the committee is winding down renders the entire process a “waste of time and money.”",
">\n\nNo mention on CNN that they dropped the subpoena after a year of January 6 January 6 January 6 terrible news station",
">\n\nWell, it’s being run by a Republican so go figure",
">\n\nTalk about the wheels of justice turning slow. In this case reversing altogether. Well done.",
">\n\nI wish this surprised me.",
">\n\nLOL God this is so funny\nWhat the fuck did y'all expect if you have money you are above the law. It only applies to the poor and those who step on the toes of capital.",
">\n\nWhat a waste of money",
">\n\n...And a Happy New Year!",
">\n\nClassic",
">\n\nShocking",
">\n\nOur governing body are a bunch of cowards. The US is being safeguarded by self-interested Congresspersons who speak about accountability and act on cowardice.",
">\n\nLet's be honest he'll get away with everything with a slap on the wrist. This country won't prosecute a sitting or former president or high ranking politician, we've seen this over and over. The whole committee is sadly a publicity stunt to gain traction for Democrat's. I hope I'm completely wrong of course and that this country will start to feel like it's a democracy.",
">\n\nThe coup is in effect.",
">\n\nI have a sad feeling this committee is going to end up like a fart in the wind",
">\n\nYou’re not wrong",
">\n\nWtf are you talking about?",
">\n\nHands",
">\n\nWho are you talking to? Lmao",
">\n\nWent out with a whimper. The most Democrat thing ever.\nWish the Dems would learn how to take the gloves off, at least they would have a shot against an opponent that has no problems filling their gloves with lead shot. Then bragging about it.",
">\n\nThe subpoena, and associated contempt charges would be nothing when compared to the recommendations made by the committee to the DOJ. Whether or not the DOJ will act is all that matters at this point.",
">\n\nPathetic pieces of shit",
">\n\nAll theatre, all the time. Seems like by now, to most people, that somehow being trolled by their favorite elected might be possible.",
">\n\nSo wait, he just gets away with everything? Just like that?\nWhat about all the articles saying that Trump will most likely spend the rest of his life in prison?",
">\n\nThe subpoena has nothing to do with the recommendations made by the committee to the DOJ. The ball is in the DOJ’s court. The subpoena doesn’t impact anything. Absurd that he didn’t get held in contempt, but that is more of a distraction than anything.",
">\n\nI see. Thanks for explaining!",
">\n\nCan anyone explain why he was not arrested for not responding to the subpoena? I thought you had to respond to these?",
">\n\nFirst they would have had to vote for contempt. Then they would need to issue a referral to DOJ, then DOJ would need to consider it. That is not happening in a week before the new congress is sworn in an this committee expires. They have issued their report and no longer need to speak to him. That is why it was withdrawn. Their job is done.",
">\n\nSubpoenas are real, or they’re not.\nIn the real world if any person defied or ignored a subpoena they would be arrested immediately.\nWhy are some Americans allowed to break the law in broad daylight.",
">\n\nWhy is the DOJ dragging its feet in charging anyone?",
">\n\nDOJ has charged over 700 people out of January 6 and they continue to charge cases. Most of these cases took months if not years to come to fruition.\nAt the end of the day DOJ has no obligation to act on any of the committee’s referrals, although I believe they already have ongoing investigations as to several of the subjects. If anything new comes out of the committee’s work it’s unlikely to happen soon.",
">\n\nThe US is beyond broken. The wealthy can do whatever they want while we are the only ones who face consequences. I can’t wait to leave this shithole again. I won’t be making the mistake of coming back like I did last year.",
">\n\nSuch a farce",
">\n\nBut he wanted to appear!!",
">\n\nThe walls are closing in.",
">\n\nOk, people. Quit guilt-edging and go home.",
">\n\nWait so what is Trump a dastardly super villain who keeps getting away or a dumb oaf. You guys just can't decide.",
">\n\nI can’t wait until nothing happens!\nHas it happened yet?",
">\n\n“All animals are equal but some animals are more equal than others.” \nHey, do you think Reddit will ever reach a state of Nirvana where it will stop claiming “Trump is really sweating now!”?",
">\n\nDoes this not set some sort of precedence? If I now get subpoenaed for something can I not just point to Trump/Barr/Holder and say “no thank you”?",
">\n\nWithdrawing a subpoena sets no precedent and is not at all uncommon.",
">\n\nThe subpoena was issued quite some time ago wasn’t it? And he just flat refused. Were Barr and Holder’s also withdrawn?",
">\n\nI saw the headline and thought the committee dropped a subpoena the way you drop an album. Then I read the article and saw that they dropped it like you drop an extra filler track from an album.",
">\n\nIt would have been a waste of time anyway. \n\"Mr. Trump, did you tell your supporters that the election was stolen and send your supporters to violently break into the capitol building to stop Joe Biden from becoming president\"? - January 6th Committee \n\"The fifth\"! - Trump\nDOJ do your job to save this nation from tyranny and further destruction!🙏",
">\n\nSurprised pikachu face",
">\n\nBut these are the same people that wanted peaceful blm protestors bathed in their own blood? What point do we all take this into our own hands",
">\n\nOh, wow. This is really bad for you, US. Like ultra super deluxe so very not good.",
">\n\nLmao…\n“ThE WaLLs arE cLoSIng in”"
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"So far Trump's legal strategy of ignoring calls for accountability until Republicans in Congress can bail him out is workingly flawlessly.",
">\n\nThat doesn’t mean the DoJ can’t charge and prosecute. \nRight now everything is in response to republicans getting their slim majority in the house and lessen the damage they will do.\nThat said, they still have the mountain of evidence they did gather",
">\n\nWhat about when the AG/DOJ is a GOP appointee? You don’t think they’ll just put in a Bill Barr type on the entire thing?",
">\n\nNot while they have a democratic president and especially when the previous president lost them the midterms.\nThey were already planning on replacing trump with Desantes by equating the 2 (Martha’s Vineyard was part of that), they’re only gonna lose trying to put their party’s future on the line protect him further.\nThey gonna continue to spread doubt and try to discredit the investigations, but they’re barely holding onto a branch of government, they’re not stupid. Barr only worked because they held onto 2",
">\n\nUmmm that’s not what I meant. If a GOP candidate for President wins in 2024 , what are the actual legal implications. It’s not like it’s below them to interfere like they did with the collusion charges",
">\n\n\nThe House January 6 committee is withdrawing its subpoena of former President Donald Trump as it concludes its work.\n“In light of the imminent end of our investigation, the Select Committee can no longer pursue the specific information covered by the subpoena,” Chairman Bennie Thompson, a Mississippi Democrat, wrote in a letter to Trump’s attorney Wednesday obtained by CNN.\n“Therefore, through this letter, I hereby formally withdraw the subpoena issued to former President Trump, and notify you that he is no longer obligated to comply or produce records in response to said subpoena,” Thompson added.",
">\n\nConclusion: Former president Trump is above the law.",
">\n\nYeah kind of makes me sad. Trump can just ignore a subpoena, with zero consequences. \n“We believe you tried to overthrow the government. You are legally required to come talk to us about it.”\n“No thanks.”\n“Oh. Ok, never mind.”",
">\n\nNo consequences? He's has been referred to the DOJ for obstruction of a govt processing last week. They held a recorded vote.",
">\n\nThat’s not a consequence. It’s kicking the can. Trump will never, ever be held responsible for his role in destroying democracy in America.",
">\n\nThis is not TV or a movie. \"The wheels of justice grind slowly yet exceedingly fine\" is a saying for a reason. Federal investigations usually take years.",
">\n\nHe’s been investigated for years. No consequences. Just special appointments, investigations, and referrals. In the mean time, you know who DOES face consequences?\nAmerica.",
">\n\nYou are judging the end of the movie before it is over.\nThe previous investigations were being done while he had the shield of the presidency and an attorney general running obstruction for him. None of that is true now.",
">\n\nThe GOP will continue fighting on his behalf, because the majority are complicit in 45’s fuckery. Again, no consequences will be had. I’m willing to wager a gift card to your favorite local restaurant that he will live fat, rich, and free until at least the 2024/25 inauguration. Save this post.",
">\n\nWe'll see about that. I'll admit to the loss if thats the case.",
">\n\nMore proof that we the people have no rights in comparison to the billionaire ticks.",
">\n\nDude ain't no billionaire",
">\n\nNo, but his buddies are.",
">\n\nHis puppet masters maybe",
">\n\nI mean, who would have thought not starting the fight sooner would end like this?",
">\n\nDon’t worry. He’s got so many more coming.",
">\n\nThe idea that Trump will pay any price for his crimes is a fantasy.",
">\n\nIt’s actually happening. His company has been found guilty. His charity is closed. His cohorts are about to go to jail. His popularity sagging. Protection is gone. We just need the first indictment.",
">\n\nBut none is him",
">\n\nWell Trump Org is pretty much him but be patient.",
">\n\nDrops in the bucket. \nBeen patient for like 6 years now. How much more we gotta wait?",
">\n\nHe couldn’t be prosecuted while president. Watch GA and the special prosecutor. They’re moving fast.",
">\n\nCouldn't be?\nShould have been.",
">\n\nThat’s absolutely wild that any man is able to just straight up ignore a subpoena with zero consequences. Definition of “above the law”. If he gets away with this, he is going to be more dangerous than ever. You get away with leading a coup/insurrection, you’re going to assume you can get away with literally anything. \nMaybe trump was right… he really could shoot someone in the middle of 5th avenue and not lose any voters…and also probably not even get in trouble",
">\n\nSerious questions...so the committee pull the subpoena, but it's up to DOJ for any additional follow up, but when the new congress is in session they can tell DOJ to drop everything? Is that how's its going to go down? Because I thought DOJ is supposed to be independent once given the committee's findings?",
">\n\nThe DOJ is certainly independent of Congress. As for the committee - the only thing they would've done differently was vote on a criminal referral for contempt of Congress. Although there is some truth to congressional contempt needing to stem from congress, The DOJ has no obligation to act on a referral - it is more akin to a recommendation.\nWith that being said, the committee knew it wasn't going to serve any real benefit, so they decided not to.\n\nThe DOJ decided not to prosecute Meadows and Scavino for contempt due to their close ties to the executive. This pretty much ruled out any chance of it happening to Trump, a former President. \nEven a completely successful referral (Steve Bannon) showed how inconsequential Congressional subpoena power is. For one, it is a misdemeanor. It has been ~15 months since Bannon was referred, and he was found guilty and sentenced, and he is still a free man pending appeal. And even if upheld, it's only 4 months in prison as just shy of maximum sentencing guidelines. \nThe DOJ, if they prosecute, are aiming at much bigger crimes - notably Obstruction of an Official Proceeding, which carries up to 20 years. And they'd be potentially trying these crimes in the same jurisdiction.\n\nSo I'm sure the calculation was that it just wasn't worth throwing a referral at the DOJ for something they'd never follow up on, and wouldn't be much benefit if they did.",
">\n\nIn summary, he’s committed so many crimes that this one isn’t worth any effort",
">\n\nEssentially, yeah. The DOJ has two big chances to secure a conviction: Mar-A-Lago and Jan. 6 - and they will likely bring multiple charges in a D.C. court if they decide to prosecute. Mar-A-Lago will come first, which has virtually nothing to do with this committee's work.\nReferring a misdemeanor to tack onto 4 serious felonies they referred probably only risked muddying the larger offenses. Can't blame them honestly.",
">\n\nWhat is “Mar a Lago” in this context! The tax scheme? Classified documents?",
">\n\nThe classified documents",
">\n\nSmall point but they weren't all classified and don't need to be, for what he did to be illegal. Just trying to avoid republican framing.",
">\n\nHillary was not afraid to testify every time she was asked (and testified for hours and hours each time, answering all questions asked) and never took the 5th. Yet republicans act like she is the criminal when it always has been trump.",
">\n\nEven if she was wrong she was smarter than any of the R in the room. That woman was a machine during those hearings and gave them nothing to work with.",
">\n\nShe is definitely smarter than that barrel of monkeys who questioned her, but ultimately, there was nothing to get from her - the perfect opposite case of crimey benedict donald and his co-conspirators.",
">\n\nIt's interesting to see that people think this subpoena would have continued to exist past Jan 3, 2023 given that that's when ALL open subpoenas from the outgoing congress expire and become null and void. Even if the J6 committee continued to exist- they would be required to file a brand new one in the new session.",
">\n\nIt wouldn't be that hard to file a brand new subpoena, they have lawyers who work full-time for them. That isn't an obstacle.",
">\n\nExcept for the committee doesn't exist in the new Congress and they have no powers to do anything if they don't exist.",
">\n\nIt's easy to get the two confused a lot of times.",
">\n\nHow many of y'all actually thought he wasn't going to run out the clock? \nNothing will fundamentally change.",
">\n\nNobody. The “justice takes time” chorus that dominated the narrative was only here to quell social unrest so society didn’t take a dive while the rich mocked us from their golden pedestals.",
">\n\nSerious question: Why? So what if the Dems lose power in the Congress. Let the Republicans be the one to formally dismantle the committee and subpoena on record. Then when hopefully Trump is charged by the DOJ, dems have another talking point for 2024 that the Republicans hate law and order and protect mob bosses.",
">\n\nThe select committee expires at the end of the congressional session. So they do not need to question him because the committee will not exist.",
">\n\nBut what is the point of formally withdrawing the subpoena? What does it accomplish?",
">\n\nThe committee is over. They have issued the report, they are closing up shop. They are following the process. A secondary part of the committees job was to show how a REAL congressional hearing should be handled. None of that sloppy ass grandstanding they did for Benghazi",
">\n\nMy viewpoint is that Trump and the GOP are just going to use this as “proof” that he did nothing wrong. Remember how the Mueller report “exonerated” Trump? His base believes this shit wholeheartedly and I guarantee he will use this as “evidence” for his innocence.\nShowing how things SHOULD be handled instead of taking whatever measures needed to protect Americans lead to Jan 6th happening in the first place. We all know how things should be handled, how the rules should work, but one side is willing to do whatever they need to keep power and the other is getting walked over.\nIs taking the high road worth letting fascism into our government?",
">\n\nIt’s good to know that republicans are allowed to ignore subpoenas. That’s useful info for them. Don’t expect dems to get that treatment",
">\n\nThey dropped the ball in not issuing one a couple of months ago",
">\n\nActually the Democrats have done everything not to ever pick up the ball even once. They let trump appointed republicans appoint a republican special counsel to fall like a straw man to blatant obstruction in the Russia probe. They turned it into a fundraiser for campaigning. \nThis time they let liz Cheney take the reins, who was able to preserve her republican prerogatives throughout this entire ordeal. \nThe fact is that you're all being cucked by forces of controlled opposition and I'm apparently the only one in the world who can't be so easily mitigated.\nI can't depend on any of you anymore than you can depend on yourselves.",
">\n\nYou lost all credibility at the end when you said cuck and act like you’re the smartest person in the world. Be gone!",
">\n\nYeah, I don't know how anyone can be expected to be taken seriously using that whole sentence unironically.",
">\n\nI don't expect to be taken seriously whether I say it or not, yet the facts remain as I've described.",
">\n\nI didn’t see that coming, said absolutely no one.",
">\n\nWhy.",
">\n\nHUGE mistake. The committee will be dissolved by the GOPers in a couple weeks, and all this did was to give the Marmalade Moses another fake victory to rile up his lemmings.",
">\n\nIt’s funny because I say the same thing every time about trump never getting charged and I always get shit about it like BUT NO THIS TIME IS DIFFERENT. \nLmao right. Sure it is.",
">\n\nFucking same. This is just more “ammo” for his orange, shit spewing mouth.",
">\n\nThis guy is still getting more media coverage than the current potus two years into his term. Crazy.",
">\n\nIt does blow that he wasn't forced to comply with the subpoena but for people thinking what a bummer this seems like, the house is switching to a republican majority in like a week so it didn't make a whole lot of sense to leave an active subpoena on record knowing it would never be resolved. They likely knew he wasn't going to comply when it was issued only now its offical that it was officially issued, ignored by trump, and terminated. Who knows if the DOJ will eventually file but everyone pretty much already knew that little temper tantrum trump wasn't going to aid in his own house sedition investigation.",
">\n\nIf we restrict ourselves to the issue of compliance with a subpoena from this committee, then the recent election clearly mooted every aspect of penalties or consequences related to ignoring the subpoena.\nIt's like a big brother was called over and little bro wanted him to force his adversary to bow and kiss the ground. But by the time big bro finally wanders over, the kid goes \"nah... we're good.\"\nA lot of folk like to believe contempt of court or contempt of congress is like any other crime where you do the deed and have to face the punishment. But, in general, these things do not work like crimes. Even where contempt has been codified such that there is a criminal contempt aspect, the goal remains to seek or to force compliance. This leads to \"punishments\" which are better or worse depending on how you view things. A simple view is that you could be \"sentenced\" to indefinite incarceration because it's a \"jailed until compliance\" thing.\nIn this case, Congress has been very, very reticent to try to use their inherent power to jail someone. So the most they ever do these days is refer the case to the DoJ to pursue criminal contempt of congress.\nAll in all, is this a \"good\" thing? Maybe it's not as bad as we feel it to be. Imagine any sort of argument where someone demands you do something. You retort \"are you sure?\" Bystanders urge folk cool down and think about it. Map that into the way Congress changes every two years and you get a sense that unless something is important enough that it remains after the public alters the composition of the legislative branch, maybe it's not all that important (to the public) after all.\nOn the other hand, why would anyone fear Congress when they demonstrate time and again there never really are any consequences for refusal to comply with subpoenas? But... do we want to quake in fear whenever some nutjob party gains control and enacts something as dire as the Committee on Unamerican Activities?",
">\n\nWhat is the advantage of dropping the subpoena, as opposed to just letting it expire/letting the new congress withdraw it? Why go on record saying he no longer has to come in? I get that he was never going to show, I’m just curious why this is better than the alternative.",
">\n\nI’m wondering this too. There has to be a good reason.",
">\n\n?? Why, like it had no power, but still why? This looks like weakness",
">\n\nThe subpoena expires when the new congress is sworn in on Jan 3rd. There was no practical way to enforce it.",
">\n\nWhy not just let it expire?\nNow Republicans have a talking point that the January 6th Committee withdrew their subpoena.\nThey'll use it to muddy the waters and spread more misinformation.",
">\n\nThey already had their talking points. They've had them the whole time. They already released a \"counter report\" to the J6 committee. The committee withdrew it because they are closing up shop. The report is out. Where would Donnie's answers go?",
">\n\nWhy was he not charged with contempt for no show? Once again, he gets let off for bad behaviour",
">\n\nBecause they referred him for 4 much more serious crimes with longer sentences. Referring him for this is essentially pointless.",
">\n\nYes, but i see it as another nail in the coffin, and also sends a message that subpoenas are not to be ignored",
">\n\nImagine if you or I tried to just ignore a subpoena.",
">\n\nIt’s OK if you’re a Republican, as the war criminal’s daughter who voted in line with Trump’s policies during her House tenure can attest.",
">\n\nAnother instance of unequal justice under the law, imo. If you or I disregarded a subpoena from Congress we'd be going to jail...like Steve Bannon.",
">\n\nDrag it out, do nothing, repeat. Glad the J6 group produced a ton of info and exposed a lot of the bs but what's the point of nothing really happens? Media circus? I'm so tired.",
">\n\nGreat precedent. It's good to know if I'm ever subpoenaed by congress I can just ignore it.",
">\n\nJ6 knew he'd puss out and just wanted to get it on the record. And for the same reason they haven't gone after Meadows for ignoring his subpoena, are all of the other serious crimes hanging over him and the orange Traitor in Chief, especially now, the subpoenas aren't worth the time and effort.",
">\n\n\nAnd for the same reason they haven't gone after Meadows for ignoring his subpoena\n\nTo be fair... the House voted him in criminal contempt and sent the referral to that to the DoJ. There wasn't really anything they could do beyond that with respect to his subpoena (yes, inherent contempt in theory exists, in practice it would have been useless for multiple reasons).\nMeadows is also included in the big criminal referrals the committee issued as part of their report as well.",
">\n\nAs usual, this country’s justice system is a joke",
">\n\nThis was a subpoena issued by the congress, not DOJ. He would be arrested if this was subpoena by DOJ and he didn’t show.",
">\n\nLike I said lol this country’s justice system is a joke",
">\n\nBut the justice system has not been involved yet!!! Congressional hearing is not an example of the justice system. The congress has referred the case to the DOJ or “the justice system” as a result of their hearing. DOJ will pursue a criminal investigation and pursue charges. \nJudiciary (justice system as you call it), congress, and executive branches are constitutionally separate and independent to ensure checks and balances.\nJustice system in the US is not ideal, but this specific instance is not an example of these inefficiencies. This is an example of how the congress has been ineffective in doing their legislative actions. In this instance the correct statement would be “Legislative system in this country is a joke.” Justice system has not had a chance to show its incompetence yet. That will be next.",
">\n\nNaive of you to think this is anything more than a show they’re putting on. Nothing will come of it, democrats are by nature pussies let’s be real. None have any teeth or claws. The right is full of a bunch of tribalistic monkeys, party is apparently more important than country. I guess I can rephrase, besides making money and being the best business in the world, America is a joke.",
">\n\n\"OMG. I'm so outraged by this even though I have no idea why.\"\nIt'd be nice if you guys learned the difference between the subpoena and the criminal referral. trump was never going to show up for the subpoena especially since the GOP is about to take control. It's a completely moot point.",
">\n\nExactly. The committee already referred him to the DoJ on criminal charges. Everyone is acting like they're just taking their ball and going home. They already went well and beyond a mere subpoena here, and one of the charges that they're recommending is obstruction already.",
">\n\nAren’t subpoenas mandatory with consequences? Either you show up or go to jail. Trump did neither.",
">\n\nNot if you are rich. Laws are you only for the the lower 90%",
">\n\nThis is such bullshit.",
">\n\nAnother precedent set for rich criminals to not comply. If we citizens didn’t show we’d be at a black site with electrodes on our genitals.",
">\n\nThey should have charged Trump with contempt of Congress.",
">\n\nSo whens the next uprising on behalf of rich people? Just be sure you're actually a political player because if you're just a worker you'll be charged. Chess has really changed over the past hundred years.",
">\n\nTotally expected. \nTrump, the really TV star, said he'd only agree to answer the subpoena if it were live & televised. It's quite obvious the reason is that he'd ignore the questioning & use the free air time to spew his BS, much like in the Presidential debates. \nAnd I'm sure the incoming Republican House would have loved to have given him the opportunity",
">\n\nyeah kinda moot at this point , they already made those criminal referrals anyways lol i wish they would have perused charging him for not showing up however but maybe they figured in light of everything they should focus on the key issues and at this point whatever he had to say really doesnt matter anyways as he would just lie. his testimony would pretty much be useless. its still a shame we didnt get to see it just for historys sake lol",
">\n\nAl trump would do is take the 5th like any other ordinary criminal",
">\n\nSo far as things have gone, will it now be ok for Democrats to ignore all the subpoenas that this next R House is going to send around? I’d think so….",
">\n\nOur government has failed us.... Good luck everyone.",
">\n\nAh yes the criminal Justice system, quite possibly the longest running joke in America",
">\n\n& you just know the cheeto will say something like, ha!, they dropped the subpoena cause they knew I am innocent, or some 💩 like that",
">\n\nNo surprise there. Trump is above the law, as he has proven time and again, over and over throughout the last several years. \nI will be surprised if anything comes out of this investigation, at all. \nI will be surprised if the next republican president isn't worse than Trump. \nI mean seriously, how do they convict him of anything if they can't even call him for questioning. Ever heard of anyone, ever, to get convicted of a crime that didn't have to talk to investigators at some point? \nFuck America. Fuck Trump. And fuck the pussy ass people who refuse to do their fucking job.",
">\n\nThey dropped it because it wasn't necessary and would have given him a national platform needlessly. DOJ will pass to the special council which will bring formal charges, if any will be brought.",
">\n\nThis is actually heartbreaking. Seen a lot of politicians and people of note show time and time again that the rules for EVERY CITIZEN don’t apply to them and this stings just a little more",
">\n\nMy theory that he is blackmailing everyone from the White House down with Area 51 malarky is still holding water...",
">\n\nLet us all start committing crimes and see how that goes, this is bs",
">\n\nSuch bs. I knew he would sleeze his way out of any consequences for his actions. This will only embolden him & his lunatic followers. He incites a riot that kills people & gets away with it. If any of us incited a riot, we would still be in jail & if people died during the riot, we would be charged with murder as well. So sick & tired of the double standard when it comes to a president who breaks the law & walks away, just like nixon did.",
">\n\nshould not have dropped\nshould have referred it to doj for contempt of congress...\nwhite rich continue to get a pass for what the rest of us would have long ago been prosecuted and imprisoned...",
">\n\nThey already referred him to DOJ for obstruction of a govt proceeding last week. What are you talking about?",
">\n\nYeah, because why would you want to subpoena the guy who was completely responsible for the entire thing?\nThe Chuck Schumer neoliberals have engineered this to completely let Trump get away with it - because they think the Republicans are still their friends and they don't want to piss them off!",
">\n\nThey subpoenaed trump months ago. He declined to show. Since, investigation is over, they dropped it. This is not even really news worthy.",
">\n\nHalf the people in this thread have no idea what they're talking about and are confusing the subpoena with the criminal referral.",
">\n\nOh, is that what's going on? Lol. I was wondering why ppl are making a big deal about this. This is just the committee cleaning up loose ends.",
">\n\nIt's a big deal if someone who's now a private citizen, can do wtf he wants and ignore a Congressional subpoena.",
">\n\nIt takes votes by congress to hold in contempt. They didn't need trump's testimony. He would just show up and repeat I plead the 5th anyway. Pence ignored his, too. It's pointless to hold them in contempt and get off focus of actual investigation.",
">\n\nYou're proving my point. Congressional Democrats should have enforced the subpoena and made Trump plead the 5th to every question. Imagine if Pence also appeared and pled the 5th to every question. That is political magic for the Democrats, it makes them look guilty as hell.\nTrump committed a crime, and this is America. It should be the same as if I committed a crime. We would get arrested, taken to jail until the morning, see a judge and face our charges, and then either get released on OR, held for trial, or bail set. It's not much of a democracy if laws are not enforced against powerful people.",
">\n\nOnce you all realize this is just a game and you’re the pawn things will make a lot more sense.",
">\n\nNow hear him cry about never getting a chance to testify when he’s charged.",
">\n\nI see this less as a “you’re excused” and more of a “see you in court”",
">\n\nNo need to bother with it when they've already finished their work. The only thing that testimony would have accomplished would have been getting Trump to look bad on national television, and a potential perjury charge. Trump already has embarrassed himself in public in a massive way since then, and they have bigger crimes to recommend to the DOJ for prosecution.",
">\n\nThe moment they announced the subpoena everyone got a hard on that trump would have to talk. I said it then and I’ll say it again, trump will never have to face any punishment and he doesn’t have to comply to any law or rules. They’re all more suggestions instead of laws.",
">\n\nWhat a waste of fucking time",
">\n\nSo......this was a big fat waste of time and money?",
">\n\nI mean they made a criminal referral so, no? The committee wasn’t set up to solely investigate Dolt 45 and took the testimony of over a thousand people, why is it you believe withdrawing one subpoena because the committee is winding down renders the entire process a “waste of time and money.”",
">\n\nNo mention on CNN that they dropped the subpoena after a year of January 6 January 6 January 6 terrible news station",
">\n\nWell, it’s being run by a Republican so go figure",
">\n\nTalk about the wheels of justice turning slow. In this case reversing altogether. Well done.",
">\n\nI wish this surprised me.",
">\n\nLOL God this is so funny\nWhat the fuck did y'all expect if you have money you are above the law. It only applies to the poor and those who step on the toes of capital.",
">\n\nWhat a waste of money",
">\n\n...And a Happy New Year!",
">\n\nClassic",
">\n\nShocking",
">\n\nOur governing body are a bunch of cowards. The US is being safeguarded by self-interested Congresspersons who speak about accountability and act on cowardice.",
">\n\nLet's be honest he'll get away with everything with a slap on the wrist. This country won't prosecute a sitting or former president or high ranking politician, we've seen this over and over. The whole committee is sadly a publicity stunt to gain traction for Democrat's. I hope I'm completely wrong of course and that this country will start to feel like it's a democracy.",
">\n\nThe coup is in effect.",
">\n\nI have a sad feeling this committee is going to end up like a fart in the wind",
">\n\nYou’re not wrong",
">\n\nWtf are you talking about?",
">\n\nHands",
">\n\nWho are you talking to? Lmao",
">\n\nWent out with a whimper. The most Democrat thing ever.\nWish the Dems would learn how to take the gloves off, at least they would have a shot against an opponent that has no problems filling their gloves with lead shot. Then bragging about it.",
">\n\nThe subpoena, and associated contempt charges would be nothing when compared to the recommendations made by the committee to the DOJ. Whether or not the DOJ will act is all that matters at this point.",
">\n\nPathetic pieces of shit",
">\n\nAll theatre, all the time. Seems like by now, to most people, that somehow being trolled by their favorite elected might be possible.",
">\n\nSo wait, he just gets away with everything? Just like that?\nWhat about all the articles saying that Trump will most likely spend the rest of his life in prison?",
">\n\nThe subpoena has nothing to do with the recommendations made by the committee to the DOJ. The ball is in the DOJ’s court. The subpoena doesn’t impact anything. Absurd that he didn’t get held in contempt, but that is more of a distraction than anything.",
">\n\nI see. Thanks for explaining!",
">\n\nCan anyone explain why he was not arrested for not responding to the subpoena? I thought you had to respond to these?",
">\n\nFirst they would have had to vote for contempt. Then they would need to issue a referral to DOJ, then DOJ would need to consider it. That is not happening in a week before the new congress is sworn in an this committee expires. They have issued their report and no longer need to speak to him. That is why it was withdrawn. Their job is done.",
">\n\nSubpoenas are real, or they’re not.\nIn the real world if any person defied or ignored a subpoena they would be arrested immediately.\nWhy are some Americans allowed to break the law in broad daylight.",
">\n\nWhy is the DOJ dragging its feet in charging anyone?",
">\n\nDOJ has charged over 700 people out of January 6 and they continue to charge cases. Most of these cases took months if not years to come to fruition.\nAt the end of the day DOJ has no obligation to act on any of the committee’s referrals, although I believe they already have ongoing investigations as to several of the subjects. If anything new comes out of the committee’s work it’s unlikely to happen soon.",
">\n\nThe US is beyond broken. The wealthy can do whatever they want while we are the only ones who face consequences. I can’t wait to leave this shithole again. I won’t be making the mistake of coming back like I did last year.",
">\n\nSuch a farce",
">\n\nBut he wanted to appear!!",
">\n\nThe walls are closing in.",
">\n\nOk, people. Quit guilt-edging and go home.",
">\n\nWait so what is Trump a dastardly super villain who keeps getting away or a dumb oaf. You guys just can't decide.",
">\n\nI can’t wait until nothing happens!\nHas it happened yet?",
">\n\n“All animals are equal but some animals are more equal than others.” \nHey, do you think Reddit will ever reach a state of Nirvana where it will stop claiming “Trump is really sweating now!”?",
">\n\nDoes this not set some sort of precedence? If I now get subpoenaed for something can I not just point to Trump/Barr/Holder and say “no thank you”?",
">\n\nWithdrawing a subpoena sets no precedent and is not at all uncommon.",
">\n\nThe subpoena was issued quite some time ago wasn’t it? And he just flat refused. Were Barr and Holder’s also withdrawn?",
">\n\nI saw the headline and thought the committee dropped a subpoena the way you drop an album. Then I read the article and saw that they dropped it like you drop an extra filler track from an album.",
">\n\nIt would have been a waste of time anyway. \n\"Mr. Trump, did you tell your supporters that the election was stolen and send your supporters to violently break into the capitol building to stop Joe Biden from becoming president\"? - January 6th Committee \n\"The fifth\"! - Trump\nDOJ do your job to save this nation from tyranny and further destruction!🙏",
">\n\nSurprised pikachu face",
">\n\nBut these are the same people that wanted peaceful blm protestors bathed in their own blood? What point do we all take this into our own hands",
">\n\nOh, wow. This is really bad for you, US. Like ultra super deluxe so very not good.",
">\n\nLmao…\n“ThE WaLLs arE cLoSIng in”",
">\n\nwell duh...\npolitics from the beginning"
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"So far Trump's legal strategy of ignoring calls for accountability until Republicans in Congress can bail him out is workingly flawlessly.",
">\n\nThat doesn’t mean the DoJ can’t charge and prosecute. \nRight now everything is in response to republicans getting their slim majority in the house and lessen the damage they will do.\nThat said, they still have the mountain of evidence they did gather",
">\n\nWhat about when the AG/DOJ is a GOP appointee? You don’t think they’ll just put in a Bill Barr type on the entire thing?",
">\n\nNot while they have a democratic president and especially when the previous president lost them the midterms.\nThey were already planning on replacing trump with Desantes by equating the 2 (Martha’s Vineyard was part of that), they’re only gonna lose trying to put their party’s future on the line protect him further.\nThey gonna continue to spread doubt and try to discredit the investigations, but they’re barely holding onto a branch of government, they’re not stupid. Barr only worked because they held onto 2",
">\n\nUmmm that’s not what I meant. If a GOP candidate for President wins in 2024 , what are the actual legal implications. It’s not like it’s below them to interfere like they did with the collusion charges",
">\n\n\nThe House January 6 committee is withdrawing its subpoena of former President Donald Trump as it concludes its work.\n“In light of the imminent end of our investigation, the Select Committee can no longer pursue the specific information covered by the subpoena,” Chairman Bennie Thompson, a Mississippi Democrat, wrote in a letter to Trump’s attorney Wednesday obtained by CNN.\n“Therefore, through this letter, I hereby formally withdraw the subpoena issued to former President Trump, and notify you that he is no longer obligated to comply or produce records in response to said subpoena,” Thompson added.",
">\n\nConclusion: Former president Trump is above the law.",
">\n\nYeah kind of makes me sad. Trump can just ignore a subpoena, with zero consequences. \n“We believe you tried to overthrow the government. You are legally required to come talk to us about it.”\n“No thanks.”\n“Oh. Ok, never mind.”",
">\n\nNo consequences? He's has been referred to the DOJ for obstruction of a govt processing last week. They held a recorded vote.",
">\n\nThat’s not a consequence. It’s kicking the can. Trump will never, ever be held responsible for his role in destroying democracy in America.",
">\n\nThis is not TV or a movie. \"The wheels of justice grind slowly yet exceedingly fine\" is a saying for a reason. Federal investigations usually take years.",
">\n\nHe’s been investigated for years. No consequences. Just special appointments, investigations, and referrals. In the mean time, you know who DOES face consequences?\nAmerica.",
">\n\nYou are judging the end of the movie before it is over.\nThe previous investigations were being done while he had the shield of the presidency and an attorney general running obstruction for him. None of that is true now.",
">\n\nThe GOP will continue fighting on his behalf, because the majority are complicit in 45’s fuckery. Again, no consequences will be had. I’m willing to wager a gift card to your favorite local restaurant that he will live fat, rich, and free until at least the 2024/25 inauguration. Save this post.",
">\n\nWe'll see about that. I'll admit to the loss if thats the case.",
">\n\nMore proof that we the people have no rights in comparison to the billionaire ticks.",
">\n\nDude ain't no billionaire",
">\n\nNo, but his buddies are.",
">\n\nHis puppet masters maybe",
">\n\nI mean, who would have thought not starting the fight sooner would end like this?",
">\n\nDon’t worry. He’s got so many more coming.",
">\n\nThe idea that Trump will pay any price for his crimes is a fantasy.",
">\n\nIt’s actually happening. His company has been found guilty. His charity is closed. His cohorts are about to go to jail. His popularity sagging. Protection is gone. We just need the first indictment.",
">\n\nBut none is him",
">\n\nWell Trump Org is pretty much him but be patient.",
">\n\nDrops in the bucket. \nBeen patient for like 6 years now. How much more we gotta wait?",
">\n\nHe couldn’t be prosecuted while president. Watch GA and the special prosecutor. They’re moving fast.",
">\n\nCouldn't be?\nShould have been.",
">\n\nThat’s absolutely wild that any man is able to just straight up ignore a subpoena with zero consequences. Definition of “above the law”. If he gets away with this, he is going to be more dangerous than ever. You get away with leading a coup/insurrection, you’re going to assume you can get away with literally anything. \nMaybe trump was right… he really could shoot someone in the middle of 5th avenue and not lose any voters…and also probably not even get in trouble",
">\n\nSerious questions...so the committee pull the subpoena, but it's up to DOJ for any additional follow up, but when the new congress is in session they can tell DOJ to drop everything? Is that how's its going to go down? Because I thought DOJ is supposed to be independent once given the committee's findings?",
">\n\nThe DOJ is certainly independent of Congress. As for the committee - the only thing they would've done differently was vote on a criminal referral for contempt of Congress. Although there is some truth to congressional contempt needing to stem from congress, The DOJ has no obligation to act on a referral - it is more akin to a recommendation.\nWith that being said, the committee knew it wasn't going to serve any real benefit, so they decided not to.\n\nThe DOJ decided not to prosecute Meadows and Scavino for contempt due to their close ties to the executive. This pretty much ruled out any chance of it happening to Trump, a former President. \nEven a completely successful referral (Steve Bannon) showed how inconsequential Congressional subpoena power is. For one, it is a misdemeanor. It has been ~15 months since Bannon was referred, and he was found guilty and sentenced, and he is still a free man pending appeal. And even if upheld, it's only 4 months in prison as just shy of maximum sentencing guidelines. \nThe DOJ, if they prosecute, are aiming at much bigger crimes - notably Obstruction of an Official Proceeding, which carries up to 20 years. And they'd be potentially trying these crimes in the same jurisdiction.\n\nSo I'm sure the calculation was that it just wasn't worth throwing a referral at the DOJ for something they'd never follow up on, and wouldn't be much benefit if they did.",
">\n\nIn summary, he’s committed so many crimes that this one isn’t worth any effort",
">\n\nEssentially, yeah. The DOJ has two big chances to secure a conviction: Mar-A-Lago and Jan. 6 - and they will likely bring multiple charges in a D.C. court if they decide to prosecute. Mar-A-Lago will come first, which has virtually nothing to do with this committee's work.\nReferring a misdemeanor to tack onto 4 serious felonies they referred probably only risked muddying the larger offenses. Can't blame them honestly.",
">\n\nWhat is “Mar a Lago” in this context! The tax scheme? Classified documents?",
">\n\nThe classified documents",
">\n\nSmall point but they weren't all classified and don't need to be, for what he did to be illegal. Just trying to avoid republican framing.",
">\n\nHillary was not afraid to testify every time she was asked (and testified for hours and hours each time, answering all questions asked) and never took the 5th. Yet republicans act like she is the criminal when it always has been trump.",
">\n\nEven if she was wrong she was smarter than any of the R in the room. That woman was a machine during those hearings and gave them nothing to work with.",
">\n\nShe is definitely smarter than that barrel of monkeys who questioned her, but ultimately, there was nothing to get from her - the perfect opposite case of crimey benedict donald and his co-conspirators.",
">\n\nIt's interesting to see that people think this subpoena would have continued to exist past Jan 3, 2023 given that that's when ALL open subpoenas from the outgoing congress expire and become null and void. Even if the J6 committee continued to exist- they would be required to file a brand new one in the new session.",
">\n\nIt wouldn't be that hard to file a brand new subpoena, they have lawyers who work full-time for them. That isn't an obstacle.",
">\n\nExcept for the committee doesn't exist in the new Congress and they have no powers to do anything if they don't exist.",
">\n\nIt's easy to get the two confused a lot of times.",
">\n\nHow many of y'all actually thought he wasn't going to run out the clock? \nNothing will fundamentally change.",
">\n\nNobody. The “justice takes time” chorus that dominated the narrative was only here to quell social unrest so society didn’t take a dive while the rich mocked us from their golden pedestals.",
">\n\nSerious question: Why? So what if the Dems lose power in the Congress. Let the Republicans be the one to formally dismantle the committee and subpoena on record. Then when hopefully Trump is charged by the DOJ, dems have another talking point for 2024 that the Republicans hate law and order and protect mob bosses.",
">\n\nThe select committee expires at the end of the congressional session. So they do not need to question him because the committee will not exist.",
">\n\nBut what is the point of formally withdrawing the subpoena? What does it accomplish?",
">\n\nThe committee is over. They have issued the report, they are closing up shop. They are following the process. A secondary part of the committees job was to show how a REAL congressional hearing should be handled. None of that sloppy ass grandstanding they did for Benghazi",
">\n\nMy viewpoint is that Trump and the GOP are just going to use this as “proof” that he did nothing wrong. Remember how the Mueller report “exonerated” Trump? His base believes this shit wholeheartedly and I guarantee he will use this as “evidence” for his innocence.\nShowing how things SHOULD be handled instead of taking whatever measures needed to protect Americans lead to Jan 6th happening in the first place. We all know how things should be handled, how the rules should work, but one side is willing to do whatever they need to keep power and the other is getting walked over.\nIs taking the high road worth letting fascism into our government?",
">\n\nIt’s good to know that republicans are allowed to ignore subpoenas. That’s useful info for them. Don’t expect dems to get that treatment",
">\n\nThey dropped the ball in not issuing one a couple of months ago",
">\n\nActually the Democrats have done everything not to ever pick up the ball even once. They let trump appointed republicans appoint a republican special counsel to fall like a straw man to blatant obstruction in the Russia probe. They turned it into a fundraiser for campaigning. \nThis time they let liz Cheney take the reins, who was able to preserve her republican prerogatives throughout this entire ordeal. \nThe fact is that you're all being cucked by forces of controlled opposition and I'm apparently the only one in the world who can't be so easily mitigated.\nI can't depend on any of you anymore than you can depend on yourselves.",
">\n\nYou lost all credibility at the end when you said cuck and act like you’re the smartest person in the world. Be gone!",
">\n\nYeah, I don't know how anyone can be expected to be taken seriously using that whole sentence unironically.",
">\n\nI don't expect to be taken seriously whether I say it or not, yet the facts remain as I've described.",
">\n\nI didn’t see that coming, said absolutely no one.",
">\n\nWhy.",
">\n\nHUGE mistake. The committee will be dissolved by the GOPers in a couple weeks, and all this did was to give the Marmalade Moses another fake victory to rile up his lemmings.",
">\n\nIt’s funny because I say the same thing every time about trump never getting charged and I always get shit about it like BUT NO THIS TIME IS DIFFERENT. \nLmao right. Sure it is.",
">\n\nFucking same. This is just more “ammo” for his orange, shit spewing mouth.",
">\n\nThis guy is still getting more media coverage than the current potus two years into his term. Crazy.",
">\n\nIt does blow that he wasn't forced to comply with the subpoena but for people thinking what a bummer this seems like, the house is switching to a republican majority in like a week so it didn't make a whole lot of sense to leave an active subpoena on record knowing it would never be resolved. They likely knew he wasn't going to comply when it was issued only now its offical that it was officially issued, ignored by trump, and terminated. Who knows if the DOJ will eventually file but everyone pretty much already knew that little temper tantrum trump wasn't going to aid in his own house sedition investigation.",
">\n\nIf we restrict ourselves to the issue of compliance with a subpoena from this committee, then the recent election clearly mooted every aspect of penalties or consequences related to ignoring the subpoena.\nIt's like a big brother was called over and little bro wanted him to force his adversary to bow and kiss the ground. But by the time big bro finally wanders over, the kid goes \"nah... we're good.\"\nA lot of folk like to believe contempt of court or contempt of congress is like any other crime where you do the deed and have to face the punishment. But, in general, these things do not work like crimes. Even where contempt has been codified such that there is a criminal contempt aspect, the goal remains to seek or to force compliance. This leads to \"punishments\" which are better or worse depending on how you view things. A simple view is that you could be \"sentenced\" to indefinite incarceration because it's a \"jailed until compliance\" thing.\nIn this case, Congress has been very, very reticent to try to use their inherent power to jail someone. So the most they ever do these days is refer the case to the DoJ to pursue criminal contempt of congress.\nAll in all, is this a \"good\" thing? Maybe it's not as bad as we feel it to be. Imagine any sort of argument where someone demands you do something. You retort \"are you sure?\" Bystanders urge folk cool down and think about it. Map that into the way Congress changes every two years and you get a sense that unless something is important enough that it remains after the public alters the composition of the legislative branch, maybe it's not all that important (to the public) after all.\nOn the other hand, why would anyone fear Congress when they demonstrate time and again there never really are any consequences for refusal to comply with subpoenas? But... do we want to quake in fear whenever some nutjob party gains control and enacts something as dire as the Committee on Unamerican Activities?",
">\n\nWhat is the advantage of dropping the subpoena, as opposed to just letting it expire/letting the new congress withdraw it? Why go on record saying he no longer has to come in? I get that he was never going to show, I’m just curious why this is better than the alternative.",
">\n\nI’m wondering this too. There has to be a good reason.",
">\n\n?? Why, like it had no power, but still why? This looks like weakness",
">\n\nThe subpoena expires when the new congress is sworn in on Jan 3rd. There was no practical way to enforce it.",
">\n\nWhy not just let it expire?\nNow Republicans have a talking point that the January 6th Committee withdrew their subpoena.\nThey'll use it to muddy the waters and spread more misinformation.",
">\n\nThey already had their talking points. They've had them the whole time. They already released a \"counter report\" to the J6 committee. The committee withdrew it because they are closing up shop. The report is out. Where would Donnie's answers go?",
">\n\nWhy was he not charged with contempt for no show? Once again, he gets let off for bad behaviour",
">\n\nBecause they referred him for 4 much more serious crimes with longer sentences. Referring him for this is essentially pointless.",
">\n\nYes, but i see it as another nail in the coffin, and also sends a message that subpoenas are not to be ignored",
">\n\nImagine if you or I tried to just ignore a subpoena.",
">\n\nIt’s OK if you’re a Republican, as the war criminal’s daughter who voted in line with Trump’s policies during her House tenure can attest.",
">\n\nAnother instance of unequal justice under the law, imo. If you or I disregarded a subpoena from Congress we'd be going to jail...like Steve Bannon.",
">\n\nDrag it out, do nothing, repeat. Glad the J6 group produced a ton of info and exposed a lot of the bs but what's the point of nothing really happens? Media circus? I'm so tired.",
">\n\nGreat precedent. It's good to know if I'm ever subpoenaed by congress I can just ignore it.",
">\n\nJ6 knew he'd puss out and just wanted to get it on the record. And for the same reason they haven't gone after Meadows for ignoring his subpoena, are all of the other serious crimes hanging over him and the orange Traitor in Chief, especially now, the subpoenas aren't worth the time and effort.",
">\n\n\nAnd for the same reason they haven't gone after Meadows for ignoring his subpoena\n\nTo be fair... the House voted him in criminal contempt and sent the referral to that to the DoJ. There wasn't really anything they could do beyond that with respect to his subpoena (yes, inherent contempt in theory exists, in practice it would have been useless for multiple reasons).\nMeadows is also included in the big criminal referrals the committee issued as part of their report as well.",
">\n\nAs usual, this country’s justice system is a joke",
">\n\nThis was a subpoena issued by the congress, not DOJ. He would be arrested if this was subpoena by DOJ and he didn’t show.",
">\n\nLike I said lol this country’s justice system is a joke",
">\n\nBut the justice system has not been involved yet!!! Congressional hearing is not an example of the justice system. The congress has referred the case to the DOJ or “the justice system” as a result of their hearing. DOJ will pursue a criminal investigation and pursue charges. \nJudiciary (justice system as you call it), congress, and executive branches are constitutionally separate and independent to ensure checks and balances.\nJustice system in the US is not ideal, but this specific instance is not an example of these inefficiencies. This is an example of how the congress has been ineffective in doing their legislative actions. In this instance the correct statement would be “Legislative system in this country is a joke.” Justice system has not had a chance to show its incompetence yet. That will be next.",
">\n\nNaive of you to think this is anything more than a show they’re putting on. Nothing will come of it, democrats are by nature pussies let’s be real. None have any teeth or claws. The right is full of a bunch of tribalistic monkeys, party is apparently more important than country. I guess I can rephrase, besides making money and being the best business in the world, America is a joke.",
">\n\n\"OMG. I'm so outraged by this even though I have no idea why.\"\nIt'd be nice if you guys learned the difference between the subpoena and the criminal referral. trump was never going to show up for the subpoena especially since the GOP is about to take control. It's a completely moot point.",
">\n\nExactly. The committee already referred him to the DoJ on criminal charges. Everyone is acting like they're just taking their ball and going home. They already went well and beyond a mere subpoena here, and one of the charges that they're recommending is obstruction already.",
">\n\nAren’t subpoenas mandatory with consequences? Either you show up or go to jail. Trump did neither.",
">\n\nNot if you are rich. Laws are you only for the the lower 90%",
">\n\nThis is such bullshit.",
">\n\nAnother precedent set for rich criminals to not comply. If we citizens didn’t show we’d be at a black site with electrodes on our genitals.",
">\n\nThey should have charged Trump with contempt of Congress.",
">\n\nSo whens the next uprising on behalf of rich people? Just be sure you're actually a political player because if you're just a worker you'll be charged. Chess has really changed over the past hundred years.",
">\n\nTotally expected. \nTrump, the really TV star, said he'd only agree to answer the subpoena if it were live & televised. It's quite obvious the reason is that he'd ignore the questioning & use the free air time to spew his BS, much like in the Presidential debates. \nAnd I'm sure the incoming Republican House would have loved to have given him the opportunity",
">\n\nyeah kinda moot at this point , they already made those criminal referrals anyways lol i wish they would have perused charging him for not showing up however but maybe they figured in light of everything they should focus on the key issues and at this point whatever he had to say really doesnt matter anyways as he would just lie. his testimony would pretty much be useless. its still a shame we didnt get to see it just for historys sake lol",
">\n\nAl trump would do is take the 5th like any other ordinary criminal",
">\n\nSo far as things have gone, will it now be ok for Democrats to ignore all the subpoenas that this next R House is going to send around? I’d think so….",
">\n\nOur government has failed us.... Good luck everyone.",
">\n\nAh yes the criminal Justice system, quite possibly the longest running joke in America",
">\n\n& you just know the cheeto will say something like, ha!, they dropped the subpoena cause they knew I am innocent, or some 💩 like that",
">\n\nNo surprise there. Trump is above the law, as he has proven time and again, over and over throughout the last several years. \nI will be surprised if anything comes out of this investigation, at all. \nI will be surprised if the next republican president isn't worse than Trump. \nI mean seriously, how do they convict him of anything if they can't even call him for questioning. Ever heard of anyone, ever, to get convicted of a crime that didn't have to talk to investigators at some point? \nFuck America. Fuck Trump. And fuck the pussy ass people who refuse to do their fucking job.",
">\n\nThey dropped it because it wasn't necessary and would have given him a national platform needlessly. DOJ will pass to the special council which will bring formal charges, if any will be brought.",
">\n\nThis is actually heartbreaking. Seen a lot of politicians and people of note show time and time again that the rules for EVERY CITIZEN don’t apply to them and this stings just a little more",
">\n\nMy theory that he is blackmailing everyone from the White House down with Area 51 malarky is still holding water...",
">\n\nLet us all start committing crimes and see how that goes, this is bs",
">\n\nSuch bs. I knew he would sleeze his way out of any consequences for his actions. This will only embolden him & his lunatic followers. He incites a riot that kills people & gets away with it. If any of us incited a riot, we would still be in jail & if people died during the riot, we would be charged with murder as well. So sick & tired of the double standard when it comes to a president who breaks the law & walks away, just like nixon did.",
">\n\nshould not have dropped\nshould have referred it to doj for contempt of congress...\nwhite rich continue to get a pass for what the rest of us would have long ago been prosecuted and imprisoned...",
">\n\nThey already referred him to DOJ for obstruction of a govt proceeding last week. What are you talking about?",
">\n\nYeah, because why would you want to subpoena the guy who was completely responsible for the entire thing?\nThe Chuck Schumer neoliberals have engineered this to completely let Trump get away with it - because they think the Republicans are still their friends and they don't want to piss them off!",
">\n\nThey subpoenaed trump months ago. He declined to show. Since, investigation is over, they dropped it. This is not even really news worthy.",
">\n\nHalf the people in this thread have no idea what they're talking about and are confusing the subpoena with the criminal referral.",
">\n\nOh, is that what's going on? Lol. I was wondering why ppl are making a big deal about this. This is just the committee cleaning up loose ends.",
">\n\nIt's a big deal if someone who's now a private citizen, can do wtf he wants and ignore a Congressional subpoena.",
">\n\nIt takes votes by congress to hold in contempt. They didn't need trump's testimony. He would just show up and repeat I plead the 5th anyway. Pence ignored his, too. It's pointless to hold them in contempt and get off focus of actual investigation.",
">\n\nYou're proving my point. Congressional Democrats should have enforced the subpoena and made Trump plead the 5th to every question. Imagine if Pence also appeared and pled the 5th to every question. That is political magic for the Democrats, it makes them look guilty as hell.\nTrump committed a crime, and this is America. It should be the same as if I committed a crime. We would get arrested, taken to jail until the morning, see a judge and face our charges, and then either get released on OR, held for trial, or bail set. It's not much of a democracy if laws are not enforced against powerful people.",
">\n\nOnce you all realize this is just a game and you’re the pawn things will make a lot more sense.",
">\n\nNow hear him cry about never getting a chance to testify when he’s charged.",
">\n\nI see this less as a “you’re excused” and more of a “see you in court”",
">\n\nNo need to bother with it when they've already finished their work. The only thing that testimony would have accomplished would have been getting Trump to look bad on national television, and a potential perjury charge. Trump already has embarrassed himself in public in a massive way since then, and they have bigger crimes to recommend to the DOJ for prosecution.",
">\n\nThe moment they announced the subpoena everyone got a hard on that trump would have to talk. I said it then and I’ll say it again, trump will never have to face any punishment and he doesn’t have to comply to any law or rules. They’re all more suggestions instead of laws.",
">\n\nWhat a waste of fucking time",
">\n\nSo......this was a big fat waste of time and money?",
">\n\nI mean they made a criminal referral so, no? The committee wasn’t set up to solely investigate Dolt 45 and took the testimony of over a thousand people, why is it you believe withdrawing one subpoena because the committee is winding down renders the entire process a “waste of time and money.”",
">\n\nNo mention on CNN that they dropped the subpoena after a year of January 6 January 6 January 6 terrible news station",
">\n\nWell, it’s being run by a Republican so go figure",
">\n\nTalk about the wheels of justice turning slow. In this case reversing altogether. Well done.",
">\n\nI wish this surprised me.",
">\n\nLOL God this is so funny\nWhat the fuck did y'all expect if you have money you are above the law. It only applies to the poor and those who step on the toes of capital.",
">\n\nWhat a waste of money",
">\n\n...And a Happy New Year!",
">\n\nClassic",
">\n\nShocking",
">\n\nOur governing body are a bunch of cowards. The US is being safeguarded by self-interested Congresspersons who speak about accountability and act on cowardice.",
">\n\nLet's be honest he'll get away with everything with a slap on the wrist. This country won't prosecute a sitting or former president or high ranking politician, we've seen this over and over. The whole committee is sadly a publicity stunt to gain traction for Democrat's. I hope I'm completely wrong of course and that this country will start to feel like it's a democracy.",
">\n\nThe coup is in effect.",
">\n\nI have a sad feeling this committee is going to end up like a fart in the wind",
">\n\nYou’re not wrong",
">\n\nWtf are you talking about?",
">\n\nHands",
">\n\nWho are you talking to? Lmao",
">\n\nWent out with a whimper. The most Democrat thing ever.\nWish the Dems would learn how to take the gloves off, at least they would have a shot against an opponent that has no problems filling their gloves with lead shot. Then bragging about it.",
">\n\nThe subpoena, and associated contempt charges would be nothing when compared to the recommendations made by the committee to the DOJ. Whether or not the DOJ will act is all that matters at this point.",
">\n\nPathetic pieces of shit",
">\n\nAll theatre, all the time. Seems like by now, to most people, that somehow being trolled by their favorite elected might be possible.",
">\n\nSo wait, he just gets away with everything? Just like that?\nWhat about all the articles saying that Trump will most likely spend the rest of his life in prison?",
">\n\nThe subpoena has nothing to do with the recommendations made by the committee to the DOJ. The ball is in the DOJ’s court. The subpoena doesn’t impact anything. Absurd that he didn’t get held in contempt, but that is more of a distraction than anything.",
">\n\nI see. Thanks for explaining!",
">\n\nCan anyone explain why he was not arrested for not responding to the subpoena? I thought you had to respond to these?",
">\n\nFirst they would have had to vote for contempt. Then they would need to issue a referral to DOJ, then DOJ would need to consider it. That is not happening in a week before the new congress is sworn in an this committee expires. They have issued their report and no longer need to speak to him. That is why it was withdrawn. Their job is done.",
">\n\nSubpoenas are real, or they’re not.\nIn the real world if any person defied or ignored a subpoena they would be arrested immediately.\nWhy are some Americans allowed to break the law in broad daylight.",
">\n\nWhy is the DOJ dragging its feet in charging anyone?",
">\n\nDOJ has charged over 700 people out of January 6 and they continue to charge cases. Most of these cases took months if not years to come to fruition.\nAt the end of the day DOJ has no obligation to act on any of the committee’s referrals, although I believe they already have ongoing investigations as to several of the subjects. If anything new comes out of the committee’s work it’s unlikely to happen soon.",
">\n\nThe US is beyond broken. The wealthy can do whatever they want while we are the only ones who face consequences. I can’t wait to leave this shithole again. I won’t be making the mistake of coming back like I did last year.",
">\n\nSuch a farce",
">\n\nBut he wanted to appear!!",
">\n\nThe walls are closing in.",
">\n\nOk, people. Quit guilt-edging and go home.",
">\n\nWait so what is Trump a dastardly super villain who keeps getting away or a dumb oaf. You guys just can't decide.",
">\n\nI can’t wait until nothing happens!\nHas it happened yet?",
">\n\n“All animals are equal but some animals are more equal than others.” \nHey, do you think Reddit will ever reach a state of Nirvana where it will stop claiming “Trump is really sweating now!”?",
">\n\nDoes this not set some sort of precedence? If I now get subpoenaed for something can I not just point to Trump/Barr/Holder and say “no thank you”?",
">\n\nWithdrawing a subpoena sets no precedent and is not at all uncommon.",
">\n\nThe subpoena was issued quite some time ago wasn’t it? And he just flat refused. Were Barr and Holder’s also withdrawn?",
">\n\nI saw the headline and thought the committee dropped a subpoena the way you drop an album. Then I read the article and saw that they dropped it like you drop an extra filler track from an album.",
">\n\nIt would have been a waste of time anyway. \n\"Mr. Trump, did you tell your supporters that the election was stolen and send your supporters to violently break into the capitol building to stop Joe Biden from becoming president\"? - January 6th Committee \n\"The fifth\"! - Trump\nDOJ do your job to save this nation from tyranny and further destruction!🙏",
">\n\nSurprised pikachu face",
">\n\nBut these are the same people that wanted peaceful blm protestors bathed in their own blood? What point do we all take this into our own hands",
">\n\nOh, wow. This is really bad for you, US. Like ultra super deluxe so very not good.",
">\n\nLmao…\n“ThE WaLLs arE cLoSIng in”",
">\n\nwell duh...\npolitics from the beginning",
">\n\nWhat an absolute joke."
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They don’t need his testimony. As if he would ever go anywhere close to a government building after the committee’s final report. Just let him relax to make it easier to arrest him
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"So far Trump's legal strategy of ignoring calls for accountability until Republicans in Congress can bail him out is workingly flawlessly.",
">\n\nThat doesn’t mean the DoJ can’t charge and prosecute. \nRight now everything is in response to republicans getting their slim majority in the house and lessen the damage they will do.\nThat said, they still have the mountain of evidence they did gather",
">\n\nWhat about when the AG/DOJ is a GOP appointee? You don’t think they’ll just put in a Bill Barr type on the entire thing?",
">\n\nNot while they have a democratic president and especially when the previous president lost them the midterms.\nThey were already planning on replacing trump with Desantes by equating the 2 (Martha’s Vineyard was part of that), they’re only gonna lose trying to put their party’s future on the line protect him further.\nThey gonna continue to spread doubt and try to discredit the investigations, but they’re barely holding onto a branch of government, they’re not stupid. Barr only worked because they held onto 2",
">\n\nUmmm that’s not what I meant. If a GOP candidate for President wins in 2024 , what are the actual legal implications. It’s not like it’s below them to interfere like they did with the collusion charges",
">\n\n\nThe House January 6 committee is withdrawing its subpoena of former President Donald Trump as it concludes its work.\n“In light of the imminent end of our investigation, the Select Committee can no longer pursue the specific information covered by the subpoena,” Chairman Bennie Thompson, a Mississippi Democrat, wrote in a letter to Trump’s attorney Wednesday obtained by CNN.\n“Therefore, through this letter, I hereby formally withdraw the subpoena issued to former President Trump, and notify you that he is no longer obligated to comply or produce records in response to said subpoena,” Thompson added.",
">\n\nConclusion: Former president Trump is above the law.",
">\n\nYeah kind of makes me sad. Trump can just ignore a subpoena, with zero consequences. \n“We believe you tried to overthrow the government. You are legally required to come talk to us about it.”\n“No thanks.”\n“Oh. Ok, never mind.”",
">\n\nNo consequences? He's has been referred to the DOJ for obstruction of a govt processing last week. They held a recorded vote.",
">\n\nThat’s not a consequence. It’s kicking the can. Trump will never, ever be held responsible for his role in destroying democracy in America.",
">\n\nThis is not TV or a movie. \"The wheels of justice grind slowly yet exceedingly fine\" is a saying for a reason. Federal investigations usually take years.",
">\n\nHe’s been investigated for years. No consequences. Just special appointments, investigations, and referrals. In the mean time, you know who DOES face consequences?\nAmerica.",
">\n\nYou are judging the end of the movie before it is over.\nThe previous investigations were being done while he had the shield of the presidency and an attorney general running obstruction for him. None of that is true now.",
">\n\nThe GOP will continue fighting on his behalf, because the majority are complicit in 45’s fuckery. Again, no consequences will be had. I’m willing to wager a gift card to your favorite local restaurant that he will live fat, rich, and free until at least the 2024/25 inauguration. Save this post.",
">\n\nWe'll see about that. I'll admit to the loss if thats the case.",
">\n\nMore proof that we the people have no rights in comparison to the billionaire ticks.",
">\n\nDude ain't no billionaire",
">\n\nNo, but his buddies are.",
">\n\nHis puppet masters maybe",
">\n\nI mean, who would have thought not starting the fight sooner would end like this?",
">\n\nDon’t worry. He’s got so many more coming.",
">\n\nThe idea that Trump will pay any price for his crimes is a fantasy.",
">\n\nIt’s actually happening. His company has been found guilty. His charity is closed. His cohorts are about to go to jail. His popularity sagging. Protection is gone. We just need the first indictment.",
">\n\nBut none is him",
">\n\nWell Trump Org is pretty much him but be patient.",
">\n\nDrops in the bucket. \nBeen patient for like 6 years now. How much more we gotta wait?",
">\n\nHe couldn’t be prosecuted while president. Watch GA and the special prosecutor. They’re moving fast.",
">\n\nCouldn't be?\nShould have been.",
">\n\nThat’s absolutely wild that any man is able to just straight up ignore a subpoena with zero consequences. Definition of “above the law”. If he gets away with this, he is going to be more dangerous than ever. You get away with leading a coup/insurrection, you’re going to assume you can get away with literally anything. \nMaybe trump was right… he really could shoot someone in the middle of 5th avenue and not lose any voters…and also probably not even get in trouble",
">\n\nSerious questions...so the committee pull the subpoena, but it's up to DOJ for any additional follow up, but when the new congress is in session they can tell DOJ to drop everything? Is that how's its going to go down? Because I thought DOJ is supposed to be independent once given the committee's findings?",
">\n\nThe DOJ is certainly independent of Congress. As for the committee - the only thing they would've done differently was vote on a criminal referral for contempt of Congress. Although there is some truth to congressional contempt needing to stem from congress, The DOJ has no obligation to act on a referral - it is more akin to a recommendation.\nWith that being said, the committee knew it wasn't going to serve any real benefit, so they decided not to.\n\nThe DOJ decided not to prosecute Meadows and Scavino for contempt due to their close ties to the executive. This pretty much ruled out any chance of it happening to Trump, a former President. \nEven a completely successful referral (Steve Bannon) showed how inconsequential Congressional subpoena power is. For one, it is a misdemeanor. It has been ~15 months since Bannon was referred, and he was found guilty and sentenced, and he is still a free man pending appeal. And even if upheld, it's only 4 months in prison as just shy of maximum sentencing guidelines. \nThe DOJ, if they prosecute, are aiming at much bigger crimes - notably Obstruction of an Official Proceeding, which carries up to 20 years. And they'd be potentially trying these crimes in the same jurisdiction.\n\nSo I'm sure the calculation was that it just wasn't worth throwing a referral at the DOJ for something they'd never follow up on, and wouldn't be much benefit if they did.",
">\n\nIn summary, he’s committed so many crimes that this one isn’t worth any effort",
">\n\nEssentially, yeah. The DOJ has two big chances to secure a conviction: Mar-A-Lago and Jan. 6 - and they will likely bring multiple charges in a D.C. court if they decide to prosecute. Mar-A-Lago will come first, which has virtually nothing to do with this committee's work.\nReferring a misdemeanor to tack onto 4 serious felonies they referred probably only risked muddying the larger offenses. Can't blame them honestly.",
">\n\nWhat is “Mar a Lago” in this context! The tax scheme? Classified documents?",
">\n\nThe classified documents",
">\n\nSmall point but they weren't all classified and don't need to be, for what he did to be illegal. Just trying to avoid republican framing.",
">\n\nHillary was not afraid to testify every time she was asked (and testified for hours and hours each time, answering all questions asked) and never took the 5th. Yet republicans act like she is the criminal when it always has been trump.",
">\n\nEven if she was wrong she was smarter than any of the R in the room. That woman was a machine during those hearings and gave them nothing to work with.",
">\n\nShe is definitely smarter than that barrel of monkeys who questioned her, but ultimately, there was nothing to get from her - the perfect opposite case of crimey benedict donald and his co-conspirators.",
">\n\nIt's interesting to see that people think this subpoena would have continued to exist past Jan 3, 2023 given that that's when ALL open subpoenas from the outgoing congress expire and become null and void. Even if the J6 committee continued to exist- they would be required to file a brand new one in the new session.",
">\n\nIt wouldn't be that hard to file a brand new subpoena, they have lawyers who work full-time for them. That isn't an obstacle.",
">\n\nExcept for the committee doesn't exist in the new Congress and they have no powers to do anything if they don't exist.",
">\n\nIt's easy to get the two confused a lot of times.",
">\n\nHow many of y'all actually thought he wasn't going to run out the clock? \nNothing will fundamentally change.",
">\n\nNobody. The “justice takes time” chorus that dominated the narrative was only here to quell social unrest so society didn’t take a dive while the rich mocked us from their golden pedestals.",
">\n\nSerious question: Why? So what if the Dems lose power in the Congress. Let the Republicans be the one to formally dismantle the committee and subpoena on record. Then when hopefully Trump is charged by the DOJ, dems have another talking point for 2024 that the Republicans hate law and order and protect mob bosses.",
">\n\nThe select committee expires at the end of the congressional session. So they do not need to question him because the committee will not exist.",
">\n\nBut what is the point of formally withdrawing the subpoena? What does it accomplish?",
">\n\nThe committee is over. They have issued the report, they are closing up shop. They are following the process. A secondary part of the committees job was to show how a REAL congressional hearing should be handled. None of that sloppy ass grandstanding they did for Benghazi",
">\n\nMy viewpoint is that Trump and the GOP are just going to use this as “proof” that he did nothing wrong. Remember how the Mueller report “exonerated” Trump? His base believes this shit wholeheartedly and I guarantee he will use this as “evidence” for his innocence.\nShowing how things SHOULD be handled instead of taking whatever measures needed to protect Americans lead to Jan 6th happening in the first place. We all know how things should be handled, how the rules should work, but one side is willing to do whatever they need to keep power and the other is getting walked over.\nIs taking the high road worth letting fascism into our government?",
">\n\nIt’s good to know that republicans are allowed to ignore subpoenas. That’s useful info for them. Don’t expect dems to get that treatment",
">\n\nThey dropped the ball in not issuing one a couple of months ago",
">\n\nActually the Democrats have done everything not to ever pick up the ball even once. They let trump appointed republicans appoint a republican special counsel to fall like a straw man to blatant obstruction in the Russia probe. They turned it into a fundraiser for campaigning. \nThis time they let liz Cheney take the reins, who was able to preserve her republican prerogatives throughout this entire ordeal. \nThe fact is that you're all being cucked by forces of controlled opposition and I'm apparently the only one in the world who can't be so easily mitigated.\nI can't depend on any of you anymore than you can depend on yourselves.",
">\n\nYou lost all credibility at the end when you said cuck and act like you’re the smartest person in the world. Be gone!",
">\n\nYeah, I don't know how anyone can be expected to be taken seriously using that whole sentence unironically.",
">\n\nI don't expect to be taken seriously whether I say it or not, yet the facts remain as I've described.",
">\n\nI didn’t see that coming, said absolutely no one.",
">\n\nWhy.",
">\n\nHUGE mistake. The committee will be dissolved by the GOPers in a couple weeks, and all this did was to give the Marmalade Moses another fake victory to rile up his lemmings.",
">\n\nIt’s funny because I say the same thing every time about trump never getting charged and I always get shit about it like BUT NO THIS TIME IS DIFFERENT. \nLmao right. Sure it is.",
">\n\nFucking same. This is just more “ammo” for his orange, shit spewing mouth.",
">\n\nThis guy is still getting more media coverage than the current potus two years into his term. Crazy.",
">\n\nIt does blow that he wasn't forced to comply with the subpoena but for people thinking what a bummer this seems like, the house is switching to a republican majority in like a week so it didn't make a whole lot of sense to leave an active subpoena on record knowing it would never be resolved. They likely knew he wasn't going to comply when it was issued only now its offical that it was officially issued, ignored by trump, and terminated. Who knows if the DOJ will eventually file but everyone pretty much already knew that little temper tantrum trump wasn't going to aid in his own house sedition investigation.",
">\n\nIf we restrict ourselves to the issue of compliance with a subpoena from this committee, then the recent election clearly mooted every aspect of penalties or consequences related to ignoring the subpoena.\nIt's like a big brother was called over and little bro wanted him to force his adversary to bow and kiss the ground. But by the time big bro finally wanders over, the kid goes \"nah... we're good.\"\nA lot of folk like to believe contempt of court or contempt of congress is like any other crime where you do the deed and have to face the punishment. But, in general, these things do not work like crimes. Even where contempt has been codified such that there is a criminal contempt aspect, the goal remains to seek or to force compliance. This leads to \"punishments\" which are better or worse depending on how you view things. A simple view is that you could be \"sentenced\" to indefinite incarceration because it's a \"jailed until compliance\" thing.\nIn this case, Congress has been very, very reticent to try to use their inherent power to jail someone. So the most they ever do these days is refer the case to the DoJ to pursue criminal contempt of congress.\nAll in all, is this a \"good\" thing? Maybe it's not as bad as we feel it to be. Imagine any sort of argument where someone demands you do something. You retort \"are you sure?\" Bystanders urge folk cool down and think about it. Map that into the way Congress changes every two years and you get a sense that unless something is important enough that it remains after the public alters the composition of the legislative branch, maybe it's not all that important (to the public) after all.\nOn the other hand, why would anyone fear Congress when they demonstrate time and again there never really are any consequences for refusal to comply with subpoenas? But... do we want to quake in fear whenever some nutjob party gains control and enacts something as dire as the Committee on Unamerican Activities?",
">\n\nWhat is the advantage of dropping the subpoena, as opposed to just letting it expire/letting the new congress withdraw it? Why go on record saying he no longer has to come in? I get that he was never going to show, I’m just curious why this is better than the alternative.",
">\n\nI’m wondering this too. There has to be a good reason.",
">\n\n?? Why, like it had no power, but still why? This looks like weakness",
">\n\nThe subpoena expires when the new congress is sworn in on Jan 3rd. There was no practical way to enforce it.",
">\n\nWhy not just let it expire?\nNow Republicans have a talking point that the January 6th Committee withdrew their subpoena.\nThey'll use it to muddy the waters and spread more misinformation.",
">\n\nThey already had their talking points. They've had them the whole time. They already released a \"counter report\" to the J6 committee. The committee withdrew it because they are closing up shop. The report is out. Where would Donnie's answers go?",
">\n\nWhy was he not charged with contempt for no show? Once again, he gets let off for bad behaviour",
">\n\nBecause they referred him for 4 much more serious crimes with longer sentences. Referring him for this is essentially pointless.",
">\n\nYes, but i see it as another nail in the coffin, and also sends a message that subpoenas are not to be ignored",
">\n\nImagine if you or I tried to just ignore a subpoena.",
">\n\nIt’s OK if you’re a Republican, as the war criminal’s daughter who voted in line with Trump’s policies during her House tenure can attest.",
">\n\nAnother instance of unequal justice under the law, imo. If you or I disregarded a subpoena from Congress we'd be going to jail...like Steve Bannon.",
">\n\nDrag it out, do nothing, repeat. Glad the J6 group produced a ton of info and exposed a lot of the bs but what's the point of nothing really happens? Media circus? I'm so tired.",
">\n\nGreat precedent. It's good to know if I'm ever subpoenaed by congress I can just ignore it.",
">\n\nJ6 knew he'd puss out and just wanted to get it on the record. And for the same reason they haven't gone after Meadows for ignoring his subpoena, are all of the other serious crimes hanging over him and the orange Traitor in Chief, especially now, the subpoenas aren't worth the time and effort.",
">\n\n\nAnd for the same reason they haven't gone after Meadows for ignoring his subpoena\n\nTo be fair... the House voted him in criminal contempt and sent the referral to that to the DoJ. There wasn't really anything they could do beyond that with respect to his subpoena (yes, inherent contempt in theory exists, in practice it would have been useless for multiple reasons).\nMeadows is also included in the big criminal referrals the committee issued as part of their report as well.",
">\n\nAs usual, this country’s justice system is a joke",
">\n\nThis was a subpoena issued by the congress, not DOJ. He would be arrested if this was subpoena by DOJ and he didn’t show.",
">\n\nLike I said lol this country’s justice system is a joke",
">\n\nBut the justice system has not been involved yet!!! Congressional hearing is not an example of the justice system. The congress has referred the case to the DOJ or “the justice system” as a result of their hearing. DOJ will pursue a criminal investigation and pursue charges. \nJudiciary (justice system as you call it), congress, and executive branches are constitutionally separate and independent to ensure checks and balances.\nJustice system in the US is not ideal, but this specific instance is not an example of these inefficiencies. This is an example of how the congress has been ineffective in doing their legislative actions. In this instance the correct statement would be “Legislative system in this country is a joke.” Justice system has not had a chance to show its incompetence yet. That will be next.",
">\n\nNaive of you to think this is anything more than a show they’re putting on. Nothing will come of it, democrats are by nature pussies let’s be real. None have any teeth or claws. The right is full of a bunch of tribalistic monkeys, party is apparently more important than country. I guess I can rephrase, besides making money and being the best business in the world, America is a joke.",
">\n\n\"OMG. I'm so outraged by this even though I have no idea why.\"\nIt'd be nice if you guys learned the difference between the subpoena and the criminal referral. trump was never going to show up for the subpoena especially since the GOP is about to take control. It's a completely moot point.",
">\n\nExactly. The committee already referred him to the DoJ on criminal charges. Everyone is acting like they're just taking their ball and going home. They already went well and beyond a mere subpoena here, and one of the charges that they're recommending is obstruction already.",
">\n\nAren’t subpoenas mandatory with consequences? Either you show up or go to jail. Trump did neither.",
">\n\nNot if you are rich. Laws are you only for the the lower 90%",
">\n\nThis is such bullshit.",
">\n\nAnother precedent set for rich criminals to not comply. If we citizens didn’t show we’d be at a black site with electrodes on our genitals.",
">\n\nThey should have charged Trump with contempt of Congress.",
">\n\nSo whens the next uprising on behalf of rich people? Just be sure you're actually a political player because if you're just a worker you'll be charged. Chess has really changed over the past hundred years.",
">\n\nTotally expected. \nTrump, the really TV star, said he'd only agree to answer the subpoena if it were live & televised. It's quite obvious the reason is that he'd ignore the questioning & use the free air time to spew his BS, much like in the Presidential debates. \nAnd I'm sure the incoming Republican House would have loved to have given him the opportunity",
">\n\nyeah kinda moot at this point , they already made those criminal referrals anyways lol i wish they would have perused charging him for not showing up however but maybe they figured in light of everything they should focus on the key issues and at this point whatever he had to say really doesnt matter anyways as he would just lie. his testimony would pretty much be useless. its still a shame we didnt get to see it just for historys sake lol",
">\n\nAl trump would do is take the 5th like any other ordinary criminal",
">\n\nSo far as things have gone, will it now be ok for Democrats to ignore all the subpoenas that this next R House is going to send around? I’d think so….",
">\n\nOur government has failed us.... Good luck everyone.",
">\n\nAh yes the criminal Justice system, quite possibly the longest running joke in America",
">\n\n& you just know the cheeto will say something like, ha!, they dropped the subpoena cause they knew I am innocent, or some 💩 like that",
">\n\nNo surprise there. Trump is above the law, as he has proven time and again, over and over throughout the last several years. \nI will be surprised if anything comes out of this investigation, at all. \nI will be surprised if the next republican president isn't worse than Trump. \nI mean seriously, how do they convict him of anything if they can't even call him for questioning. Ever heard of anyone, ever, to get convicted of a crime that didn't have to talk to investigators at some point? \nFuck America. Fuck Trump. And fuck the pussy ass people who refuse to do their fucking job.",
">\n\nThey dropped it because it wasn't necessary and would have given him a national platform needlessly. DOJ will pass to the special council which will bring formal charges, if any will be brought.",
">\n\nThis is actually heartbreaking. Seen a lot of politicians and people of note show time and time again that the rules for EVERY CITIZEN don’t apply to them and this stings just a little more",
">\n\nMy theory that he is blackmailing everyone from the White House down with Area 51 malarky is still holding water...",
">\n\nLet us all start committing crimes and see how that goes, this is bs",
">\n\nSuch bs. I knew he would sleeze his way out of any consequences for his actions. This will only embolden him & his lunatic followers. He incites a riot that kills people & gets away with it. If any of us incited a riot, we would still be in jail & if people died during the riot, we would be charged with murder as well. So sick & tired of the double standard when it comes to a president who breaks the law & walks away, just like nixon did.",
">\n\nshould not have dropped\nshould have referred it to doj for contempt of congress...\nwhite rich continue to get a pass for what the rest of us would have long ago been prosecuted and imprisoned...",
">\n\nThey already referred him to DOJ for obstruction of a govt proceeding last week. What are you talking about?",
">\n\nYeah, because why would you want to subpoena the guy who was completely responsible for the entire thing?\nThe Chuck Schumer neoliberals have engineered this to completely let Trump get away with it - because they think the Republicans are still their friends and they don't want to piss them off!",
">\n\nThey subpoenaed trump months ago. He declined to show. Since, investigation is over, they dropped it. This is not even really news worthy.",
">\n\nHalf the people in this thread have no idea what they're talking about and are confusing the subpoena with the criminal referral.",
">\n\nOh, is that what's going on? Lol. I was wondering why ppl are making a big deal about this. This is just the committee cleaning up loose ends.",
">\n\nIt's a big deal if someone who's now a private citizen, can do wtf he wants and ignore a Congressional subpoena.",
">\n\nIt takes votes by congress to hold in contempt. They didn't need trump's testimony. He would just show up and repeat I plead the 5th anyway. Pence ignored his, too. It's pointless to hold them in contempt and get off focus of actual investigation.",
">\n\nYou're proving my point. Congressional Democrats should have enforced the subpoena and made Trump plead the 5th to every question. Imagine if Pence also appeared and pled the 5th to every question. That is political magic for the Democrats, it makes them look guilty as hell.\nTrump committed a crime, and this is America. It should be the same as if I committed a crime. We would get arrested, taken to jail until the morning, see a judge and face our charges, and then either get released on OR, held for trial, or bail set. It's not much of a democracy if laws are not enforced against powerful people.",
">\n\nOnce you all realize this is just a game and you’re the pawn things will make a lot more sense.",
">\n\nNow hear him cry about never getting a chance to testify when he’s charged.",
">\n\nI see this less as a “you’re excused” and more of a “see you in court”",
">\n\nNo need to bother with it when they've already finished their work. The only thing that testimony would have accomplished would have been getting Trump to look bad on national television, and a potential perjury charge. Trump already has embarrassed himself in public in a massive way since then, and they have bigger crimes to recommend to the DOJ for prosecution.",
">\n\nThe moment they announced the subpoena everyone got a hard on that trump would have to talk. I said it then and I’ll say it again, trump will never have to face any punishment and he doesn’t have to comply to any law or rules. They’re all more suggestions instead of laws.",
">\n\nWhat a waste of fucking time",
">\n\nSo......this was a big fat waste of time and money?",
">\n\nI mean they made a criminal referral so, no? The committee wasn’t set up to solely investigate Dolt 45 and took the testimony of over a thousand people, why is it you believe withdrawing one subpoena because the committee is winding down renders the entire process a “waste of time and money.”",
">\n\nNo mention on CNN that they dropped the subpoena after a year of January 6 January 6 January 6 terrible news station",
">\n\nWell, it’s being run by a Republican so go figure",
">\n\nTalk about the wheels of justice turning slow. In this case reversing altogether. Well done.",
">\n\nI wish this surprised me.",
">\n\nLOL God this is so funny\nWhat the fuck did y'all expect if you have money you are above the law. It only applies to the poor and those who step on the toes of capital.",
">\n\nWhat a waste of money",
">\n\n...And a Happy New Year!",
">\n\nClassic",
">\n\nShocking",
">\n\nOur governing body are a bunch of cowards. The US is being safeguarded by self-interested Congresspersons who speak about accountability and act on cowardice.",
">\n\nLet's be honest he'll get away with everything with a slap on the wrist. This country won't prosecute a sitting or former president or high ranking politician, we've seen this over and over. The whole committee is sadly a publicity stunt to gain traction for Democrat's. I hope I'm completely wrong of course and that this country will start to feel like it's a democracy.",
">\n\nThe coup is in effect.",
">\n\nI have a sad feeling this committee is going to end up like a fart in the wind",
">\n\nYou’re not wrong",
">\n\nWtf are you talking about?",
">\n\nHands",
">\n\nWho are you talking to? Lmao",
">\n\nWent out with a whimper. The most Democrat thing ever.\nWish the Dems would learn how to take the gloves off, at least they would have a shot against an opponent that has no problems filling their gloves with lead shot. Then bragging about it.",
">\n\nThe subpoena, and associated contempt charges would be nothing when compared to the recommendations made by the committee to the DOJ. Whether or not the DOJ will act is all that matters at this point.",
">\n\nPathetic pieces of shit",
">\n\nAll theatre, all the time. Seems like by now, to most people, that somehow being trolled by their favorite elected might be possible.",
">\n\nSo wait, he just gets away with everything? Just like that?\nWhat about all the articles saying that Trump will most likely spend the rest of his life in prison?",
">\n\nThe subpoena has nothing to do with the recommendations made by the committee to the DOJ. The ball is in the DOJ’s court. The subpoena doesn’t impact anything. Absurd that he didn’t get held in contempt, but that is more of a distraction than anything.",
">\n\nI see. Thanks for explaining!",
">\n\nCan anyone explain why he was not arrested for not responding to the subpoena? I thought you had to respond to these?",
">\n\nFirst they would have had to vote for contempt. Then they would need to issue a referral to DOJ, then DOJ would need to consider it. That is not happening in a week before the new congress is sworn in an this committee expires. They have issued their report and no longer need to speak to him. That is why it was withdrawn. Their job is done.",
">\n\nSubpoenas are real, or they’re not.\nIn the real world if any person defied or ignored a subpoena they would be arrested immediately.\nWhy are some Americans allowed to break the law in broad daylight.",
">\n\nWhy is the DOJ dragging its feet in charging anyone?",
">\n\nDOJ has charged over 700 people out of January 6 and they continue to charge cases. Most of these cases took months if not years to come to fruition.\nAt the end of the day DOJ has no obligation to act on any of the committee’s referrals, although I believe they already have ongoing investigations as to several of the subjects. If anything new comes out of the committee’s work it’s unlikely to happen soon.",
">\n\nThe US is beyond broken. The wealthy can do whatever they want while we are the only ones who face consequences. I can’t wait to leave this shithole again. I won’t be making the mistake of coming back like I did last year.",
">\n\nSuch a farce",
">\n\nBut he wanted to appear!!",
">\n\nThe walls are closing in.",
">\n\nOk, people. Quit guilt-edging and go home.",
">\n\nWait so what is Trump a dastardly super villain who keeps getting away or a dumb oaf. You guys just can't decide.",
">\n\nI can’t wait until nothing happens!\nHas it happened yet?",
">\n\n“All animals are equal but some animals are more equal than others.” \nHey, do you think Reddit will ever reach a state of Nirvana where it will stop claiming “Trump is really sweating now!”?",
">\n\nDoes this not set some sort of precedence? If I now get subpoenaed for something can I not just point to Trump/Barr/Holder and say “no thank you”?",
">\n\nWithdrawing a subpoena sets no precedent and is not at all uncommon.",
">\n\nThe subpoena was issued quite some time ago wasn’t it? And he just flat refused. Were Barr and Holder’s also withdrawn?",
">\n\nI saw the headline and thought the committee dropped a subpoena the way you drop an album. Then I read the article and saw that they dropped it like you drop an extra filler track from an album.",
">\n\nIt would have been a waste of time anyway. \n\"Mr. Trump, did you tell your supporters that the election was stolen and send your supporters to violently break into the capitol building to stop Joe Biden from becoming president\"? - January 6th Committee \n\"The fifth\"! - Trump\nDOJ do your job to save this nation from tyranny and further destruction!🙏",
">\n\nSurprised pikachu face",
">\n\nBut these are the same people that wanted peaceful blm protestors bathed in their own blood? What point do we all take this into our own hands",
">\n\nOh, wow. This is really bad for you, US. Like ultra super deluxe so very not good.",
">\n\nLmao…\n“ThE WaLLs arE cLoSIng in”",
">\n\nwell duh...\npolitics from the beginning",
">\n\nWhat an absolute joke.",
">\n\nInb4 trump takes this decision and expresses it as: “completely exonerated!!!”"
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"So far Trump's legal strategy of ignoring calls for accountability until Republicans in Congress can bail him out is workingly flawlessly.",
">\n\nThat doesn’t mean the DoJ can’t charge and prosecute. \nRight now everything is in response to republicans getting their slim majority in the house and lessen the damage they will do.\nThat said, they still have the mountain of evidence they did gather",
">\n\nWhat about when the AG/DOJ is a GOP appointee? You don’t think they’ll just put in a Bill Barr type on the entire thing?",
">\n\nNot while they have a democratic president and especially when the previous president lost them the midterms.\nThey were already planning on replacing trump with Desantes by equating the 2 (Martha’s Vineyard was part of that), they’re only gonna lose trying to put their party’s future on the line protect him further.\nThey gonna continue to spread doubt and try to discredit the investigations, but they’re barely holding onto a branch of government, they’re not stupid. Barr only worked because they held onto 2",
">\n\nUmmm that’s not what I meant. If a GOP candidate for President wins in 2024 , what are the actual legal implications. It’s not like it’s below them to interfere like they did with the collusion charges",
">\n\n\nThe House January 6 committee is withdrawing its subpoena of former President Donald Trump as it concludes its work.\n“In light of the imminent end of our investigation, the Select Committee can no longer pursue the specific information covered by the subpoena,” Chairman Bennie Thompson, a Mississippi Democrat, wrote in a letter to Trump’s attorney Wednesday obtained by CNN.\n“Therefore, through this letter, I hereby formally withdraw the subpoena issued to former President Trump, and notify you that he is no longer obligated to comply or produce records in response to said subpoena,” Thompson added.",
">\n\nConclusion: Former president Trump is above the law.",
">\n\nYeah kind of makes me sad. Trump can just ignore a subpoena, with zero consequences. \n“We believe you tried to overthrow the government. You are legally required to come talk to us about it.”\n“No thanks.”\n“Oh. Ok, never mind.”",
">\n\nNo consequences? He's has been referred to the DOJ for obstruction of a govt processing last week. They held a recorded vote.",
">\n\nThat’s not a consequence. It’s kicking the can. Trump will never, ever be held responsible for his role in destroying democracy in America.",
">\n\nThis is not TV or a movie. \"The wheels of justice grind slowly yet exceedingly fine\" is a saying for a reason. Federal investigations usually take years.",
">\n\nHe’s been investigated for years. No consequences. Just special appointments, investigations, and referrals. In the mean time, you know who DOES face consequences?\nAmerica.",
">\n\nYou are judging the end of the movie before it is over.\nThe previous investigations were being done while he had the shield of the presidency and an attorney general running obstruction for him. None of that is true now.",
">\n\nThe GOP will continue fighting on his behalf, because the majority are complicit in 45’s fuckery. Again, no consequences will be had. I’m willing to wager a gift card to your favorite local restaurant that he will live fat, rich, and free until at least the 2024/25 inauguration. Save this post.",
">\n\nWe'll see about that. I'll admit to the loss if thats the case.",
">\n\nMore proof that we the people have no rights in comparison to the billionaire ticks.",
">\n\nDude ain't no billionaire",
">\n\nNo, but his buddies are.",
">\n\nHis puppet masters maybe",
">\n\nI mean, who would have thought not starting the fight sooner would end like this?",
">\n\nDon’t worry. He’s got so many more coming.",
">\n\nThe idea that Trump will pay any price for his crimes is a fantasy.",
">\n\nIt’s actually happening. His company has been found guilty. His charity is closed. His cohorts are about to go to jail. His popularity sagging. Protection is gone. We just need the first indictment.",
">\n\nBut none is him",
">\n\nWell Trump Org is pretty much him but be patient.",
">\n\nDrops in the bucket. \nBeen patient for like 6 years now. How much more we gotta wait?",
">\n\nHe couldn’t be prosecuted while president. Watch GA and the special prosecutor. They’re moving fast.",
">\n\nCouldn't be?\nShould have been.",
">\n\nThat’s absolutely wild that any man is able to just straight up ignore a subpoena with zero consequences. Definition of “above the law”. If he gets away with this, he is going to be more dangerous than ever. You get away with leading a coup/insurrection, you’re going to assume you can get away with literally anything. \nMaybe trump was right… he really could shoot someone in the middle of 5th avenue and not lose any voters…and also probably not even get in trouble",
">\n\nSerious questions...so the committee pull the subpoena, but it's up to DOJ for any additional follow up, but when the new congress is in session they can tell DOJ to drop everything? Is that how's its going to go down? Because I thought DOJ is supposed to be independent once given the committee's findings?",
">\n\nThe DOJ is certainly independent of Congress. As for the committee - the only thing they would've done differently was vote on a criminal referral for contempt of Congress. Although there is some truth to congressional contempt needing to stem from congress, The DOJ has no obligation to act on a referral - it is more akin to a recommendation.\nWith that being said, the committee knew it wasn't going to serve any real benefit, so they decided not to.\n\nThe DOJ decided not to prosecute Meadows and Scavino for contempt due to their close ties to the executive. This pretty much ruled out any chance of it happening to Trump, a former President. \nEven a completely successful referral (Steve Bannon) showed how inconsequential Congressional subpoena power is. For one, it is a misdemeanor. It has been ~15 months since Bannon was referred, and he was found guilty and sentenced, and he is still a free man pending appeal. And even if upheld, it's only 4 months in prison as just shy of maximum sentencing guidelines. \nThe DOJ, if they prosecute, are aiming at much bigger crimes - notably Obstruction of an Official Proceeding, which carries up to 20 years. And they'd be potentially trying these crimes in the same jurisdiction.\n\nSo I'm sure the calculation was that it just wasn't worth throwing a referral at the DOJ for something they'd never follow up on, and wouldn't be much benefit if they did.",
">\n\nIn summary, he’s committed so many crimes that this one isn’t worth any effort",
">\n\nEssentially, yeah. The DOJ has two big chances to secure a conviction: Mar-A-Lago and Jan. 6 - and they will likely bring multiple charges in a D.C. court if they decide to prosecute. Mar-A-Lago will come first, which has virtually nothing to do with this committee's work.\nReferring a misdemeanor to tack onto 4 serious felonies they referred probably only risked muddying the larger offenses. Can't blame them honestly.",
">\n\nWhat is “Mar a Lago” in this context! The tax scheme? Classified documents?",
">\n\nThe classified documents",
">\n\nSmall point but they weren't all classified and don't need to be, for what he did to be illegal. Just trying to avoid republican framing.",
">\n\nHillary was not afraid to testify every time she was asked (and testified for hours and hours each time, answering all questions asked) and never took the 5th. Yet republicans act like she is the criminal when it always has been trump.",
">\n\nEven if she was wrong she was smarter than any of the R in the room. That woman was a machine during those hearings and gave them nothing to work with.",
">\n\nShe is definitely smarter than that barrel of monkeys who questioned her, but ultimately, there was nothing to get from her - the perfect opposite case of crimey benedict donald and his co-conspirators.",
">\n\nIt's interesting to see that people think this subpoena would have continued to exist past Jan 3, 2023 given that that's when ALL open subpoenas from the outgoing congress expire and become null and void. Even if the J6 committee continued to exist- they would be required to file a brand new one in the new session.",
">\n\nIt wouldn't be that hard to file a brand new subpoena, they have lawyers who work full-time for them. That isn't an obstacle.",
">\n\nExcept for the committee doesn't exist in the new Congress and they have no powers to do anything if they don't exist.",
">\n\nIt's easy to get the two confused a lot of times.",
">\n\nHow many of y'all actually thought he wasn't going to run out the clock? \nNothing will fundamentally change.",
">\n\nNobody. The “justice takes time” chorus that dominated the narrative was only here to quell social unrest so society didn’t take a dive while the rich mocked us from their golden pedestals.",
">\n\nSerious question: Why? So what if the Dems lose power in the Congress. Let the Republicans be the one to formally dismantle the committee and subpoena on record. Then when hopefully Trump is charged by the DOJ, dems have another talking point for 2024 that the Republicans hate law and order and protect mob bosses.",
">\n\nThe select committee expires at the end of the congressional session. So they do not need to question him because the committee will not exist.",
">\n\nBut what is the point of formally withdrawing the subpoena? What does it accomplish?",
">\n\nThe committee is over. They have issued the report, they are closing up shop. They are following the process. A secondary part of the committees job was to show how a REAL congressional hearing should be handled. None of that sloppy ass grandstanding they did for Benghazi",
">\n\nMy viewpoint is that Trump and the GOP are just going to use this as “proof” that he did nothing wrong. Remember how the Mueller report “exonerated” Trump? His base believes this shit wholeheartedly and I guarantee he will use this as “evidence” for his innocence.\nShowing how things SHOULD be handled instead of taking whatever measures needed to protect Americans lead to Jan 6th happening in the first place. We all know how things should be handled, how the rules should work, but one side is willing to do whatever they need to keep power and the other is getting walked over.\nIs taking the high road worth letting fascism into our government?",
">\n\nIt’s good to know that republicans are allowed to ignore subpoenas. That’s useful info for them. Don’t expect dems to get that treatment",
">\n\nThey dropped the ball in not issuing one a couple of months ago",
">\n\nActually the Democrats have done everything not to ever pick up the ball even once. They let trump appointed republicans appoint a republican special counsel to fall like a straw man to blatant obstruction in the Russia probe. They turned it into a fundraiser for campaigning. \nThis time they let liz Cheney take the reins, who was able to preserve her republican prerogatives throughout this entire ordeal. \nThe fact is that you're all being cucked by forces of controlled opposition and I'm apparently the only one in the world who can't be so easily mitigated.\nI can't depend on any of you anymore than you can depend on yourselves.",
">\n\nYou lost all credibility at the end when you said cuck and act like you’re the smartest person in the world. Be gone!",
">\n\nYeah, I don't know how anyone can be expected to be taken seriously using that whole sentence unironically.",
">\n\nI don't expect to be taken seriously whether I say it or not, yet the facts remain as I've described.",
">\n\nI didn’t see that coming, said absolutely no one.",
">\n\nWhy.",
">\n\nHUGE mistake. The committee will be dissolved by the GOPers in a couple weeks, and all this did was to give the Marmalade Moses another fake victory to rile up his lemmings.",
">\n\nIt’s funny because I say the same thing every time about trump never getting charged and I always get shit about it like BUT NO THIS TIME IS DIFFERENT. \nLmao right. Sure it is.",
">\n\nFucking same. This is just more “ammo” for his orange, shit spewing mouth.",
">\n\nThis guy is still getting more media coverage than the current potus two years into his term. Crazy.",
">\n\nIt does blow that he wasn't forced to comply with the subpoena but for people thinking what a bummer this seems like, the house is switching to a republican majority in like a week so it didn't make a whole lot of sense to leave an active subpoena on record knowing it would never be resolved. They likely knew he wasn't going to comply when it was issued only now its offical that it was officially issued, ignored by trump, and terminated. Who knows if the DOJ will eventually file but everyone pretty much already knew that little temper tantrum trump wasn't going to aid in his own house sedition investigation.",
">\n\nIf we restrict ourselves to the issue of compliance with a subpoena from this committee, then the recent election clearly mooted every aspect of penalties or consequences related to ignoring the subpoena.\nIt's like a big brother was called over and little bro wanted him to force his adversary to bow and kiss the ground. But by the time big bro finally wanders over, the kid goes \"nah... we're good.\"\nA lot of folk like to believe contempt of court or contempt of congress is like any other crime where you do the deed and have to face the punishment. But, in general, these things do not work like crimes. Even where contempt has been codified such that there is a criminal contempt aspect, the goal remains to seek or to force compliance. This leads to \"punishments\" which are better or worse depending on how you view things. A simple view is that you could be \"sentenced\" to indefinite incarceration because it's a \"jailed until compliance\" thing.\nIn this case, Congress has been very, very reticent to try to use their inherent power to jail someone. So the most they ever do these days is refer the case to the DoJ to pursue criminal contempt of congress.\nAll in all, is this a \"good\" thing? Maybe it's not as bad as we feel it to be. Imagine any sort of argument where someone demands you do something. You retort \"are you sure?\" Bystanders urge folk cool down and think about it. Map that into the way Congress changes every two years and you get a sense that unless something is important enough that it remains after the public alters the composition of the legislative branch, maybe it's not all that important (to the public) after all.\nOn the other hand, why would anyone fear Congress when they demonstrate time and again there never really are any consequences for refusal to comply with subpoenas? But... do we want to quake in fear whenever some nutjob party gains control and enacts something as dire as the Committee on Unamerican Activities?",
">\n\nWhat is the advantage of dropping the subpoena, as opposed to just letting it expire/letting the new congress withdraw it? Why go on record saying he no longer has to come in? I get that he was never going to show, I’m just curious why this is better than the alternative.",
">\n\nI’m wondering this too. There has to be a good reason.",
">\n\n?? Why, like it had no power, but still why? This looks like weakness",
">\n\nThe subpoena expires when the new congress is sworn in on Jan 3rd. There was no practical way to enforce it.",
">\n\nWhy not just let it expire?\nNow Republicans have a talking point that the January 6th Committee withdrew their subpoena.\nThey'll use it to muddy the waters and spread more misinformation.",
">\n\nThey already had their talking points. They've had them the whole time. They already released a \"counter report\" to the J6 committee. The committee withdrew it because they are closing up shop. The report is out. Where would Donnie's answers go?",
">\n\nWhy was he not charged with contempt for no show? Once again, he gets let off for bad behaviour",
">\n\nBecause they referred him for 4 much more serious crimes with longer sentences. Referring him for this is essentially pointless.",
">\n\nYes, but i see it as another nail in the coffin, and also sends a message that subpoenas are not to be ignored",
">\n\nImagine if you or I tried to just ignore a subpoena.",
">\n\nIt’s OK if you’re a Republican, as the war criminal’s daughter who voted in line with Trump’s policies during her House tenure can attest.",
">\n\nAnother instance of unequal justice under the law, imo. If you or I disregarded a subpoena from Congress we'd be going to jail...like Steve Bannon.",
">\n\nDrag it out, do nothing, repeat. Glad the J6 group produced a ton of info and exposed a lot of the bs but what's the point of nothing really happens? Media circus? I'm so tired.",
">\n\nGreat precedent. It's good to know if I'm ever subpoenaed by congress I can just ignore it.",
">\n\nJ6 knew he'd puss out and just wanted to get it on the record. And for the same reason they haven't gone after Meadows for ignoring his subpoena, are all of the other serious crimes hanging over him and the orange Traitor in Chief, especially now, the subpoenas aren't worth the time and effort.",
">\n\n\nAnd for the same reason they haven't gone after Meadows for ignoring his subpoena\n\nTo be fair... the House voted him in criminal contempt and sent the referral to that to the DoJ. There wasn't really anything they could do beyond that with respect to his subpoena (yes, inherent contempt in theory exists, in practice it would have been useless for multiple reasons).\nMeadows is also included in the big criminal referrals the committee issued as part of their report as well.",
">\n\nAs usual, this country’s justice system is a joke",
">\n\nThis was a subpoena issued by the congress, not DOJ. He would be arrested if this was subpoena by DOJ and he didn’t show.",
">\n\nLike I said lol this country’s justice system is a joke",
">\n\nBut the justice system has not been involved yet!!! Congressional hearing is not an example of the justice system. The congress has referred the case to the DOJ or “the justice system” as a result of their hearing. DOJ will pursue a criminal investigation and pursue charges. \nJudiciary (justice system as you call it), congress, and executive branches are constitutionally separate and independent to ensure checks and balances.\nJustice system in the US is not ideal, but this specific instance is not an example of these inefficiencies. This is an example of how the congress has been ineffective in doing their legislative actions. In this instance the correct statement would be “Legislative system in this country is a joke.” Justice system has not had a chance to show its incompetence yet. That will be next.",
">\n\nNaive of you to think this is anything more than a show they’re putting on. Nothing will come of it, democrats are by nature pussies let’s be real. None have any teeth or claws. The right is full of a bunch of tribalistic monkeys, party is apparently more important than country. I guess I can rephrase, besides making money and being the best business in the world, America is a joke.",
">\n\n\"OMG. I'm so outraged by this even though I have no idea why.\"\nIt'd be nice if you guys learned the difference between the subpoena and the criminal referral. trump was never going to show up for the subpoena especially since the GOP is about to take control. It's a completely moot point.",
">\n\nExactly. The committee already referred him to the DoJ on criminal charges. Everyone is acting like they're just taking their ball and going home. They already went well and beyond a mere subpoena here, and one of the charges that they're recommending is obstruction already.",
">\n\nAren’t subpoenas mandatory with consequences? Either you show up or go to jail. Trump did neither.",
">\n\nNot if you are rich. Laws are you only for the the lower 90%",
">\n\nThis is such bullshit.",
">\n\nAnother precedent set for rich criminals to not comply. If we citizens didn’t show we’d be at a black site with electrodes on our genitals.",
">\n\nThey should have charged Trump with contempt of Congress.",
">\n\nSo whens the next uprising on behalf of rich people? Just be sure you're actually a political player because if you're just a worker you'll be charged. Chess has really changed over the past hundred years.",
">\n\nTotally expected. \nTrump, the really TV star, said he'd only agree to answer the subpoena if it were live & televised. It's quite obvious the reason is that he'd ignore the questioning & use the free air time to spew his BS, much like in the Presidential debates. \nAnd I'm sure the incoming Republican House would have loved to have given him the opportunity",
">\n\nyeah kinda moot at this point , they already made those criminal referrals anyways lol i wish they would have perused charging him for not showing up however but maybe they figured in light of everything they should focus on the key issues and at this point whatever he had to say really doesnt matter anyways as he would just lie. his testimony would pretty much be useless. its still a shame we didnt get to see it just for historys sake lol",
">\n\nAl trump would do is take the 5th like any other ordinary criminal",
">\n\nSo far as things have gone, will it now be ok for Democrats to ignore all the subpoenas that this next R House is going to send around? I’d think so….",
">\n\nOur government has failed us.... Good luck everyone.",
">\n\nAh yes the criminal Justice system, quite possibly the longest running joke in America",
">\n\n& you just know the cheeto will say something like, ha!, they dropped the subpoena cause they knew I am innocent, or some 💩 like that",
">\n\nNo surprise there. Trump is above the law, as he has proven time and again, over and over throughout the last several years. \nI will be surprised if anything comes out of this investigation, at all. \nI will be surprised if the next republican president isn't worse than Trump. \nI mean seriously, how do they convict him of anything if they can't even call him for questioning. Ever heard of anyone, ever, to get convicted of a crime that didn't have to talk to investigators at some point? \nFuck America. Fuck Trump. And fuck the pussy ass people who refuse to do their fucking job.",
">\n\nThey dropped it because it wasn't necessary and would have given him a national platform needlessly. DOJ will pass to the special council which will bring formal charges, if any will be brought.",
">\n\nThis is actually heartbreaking. Seen a lot of politicians and people of note show time and time again that the rules for EVERY CITIZEN don’t apply to them and this stings just a little more",
">\n\nMy theory that he is blackmailing everyone from the White House down with Area 51 malarky is still holding water...",
">\n\nLet us all start committing crimes and see how that goes, this is bs",
">\n\nSuch bs. I knew he would sleeze his way out of any consequences for his actions. This will only embolden him & his lunatic followers. He incites a riot that kills people & gets away with it. If any of us incited a riot, we would still be in jail & if people died during the riot, we would be charged with murder as well. So sick & tired of the double standard when it comes to a president who breaks the law & walks away, just like nixon did.",
">\n\nshould not have dropped\nshould have referred it to doj for contempt of congress...\nwhite rich continue to get a pass for what the rest of us would have long ago been prosecuted and imprisoned...",
">\n\nThey already referred him to DOJ for obstruction of a govt proceeding last week. What are you talking about?",
">\n\nYeah, because why would you want to subpoena the guy who was completely responsible for the entire thing?\nThe Chuck Schumer neoliberals have engineered this to completely let Trump get away with it - because they think the Republicans are still their friends and they don't want to piss them off!",
">\n\nThey subpoenaed trump months ago. He declined to show. Since, investigation is over, they dropped it. This is not even really news worthy.",
">\n\nHalf the people in this thread have no idea what they're talking about and are confusing the subpoena with the criminal referral.",
">\n\nOh, is that what's going on? Lol. I was wondering why ppl are making a big deal about this. This is just the committee cleaning up loose ends.",
">\n\nIt's a big deal if someone who's now a private citizen, can do wtf he wants and ignore a Congressional subpoena.",
">\n\nIt takes votes by congress to hold in contempt. They didn't need trump's testimony. He would just show up and repeat I plead the 5th anyway. Pence ignored his, too. It's pointless to hold them in contempt and get off focus of actual investigation.",
">\n\nYou're proving my point. Congressional Democrats should have enforced the subpoena and made Trump plead the 5th to every question. Imagine if Pence also appeared and pled the 5th to every question. That is political magic for the Democrats, it makes them look guilty as hell.\nTrump committed a crime, and this is America. It should be the same as if I committed a crime. We would get arrested, taken to jail until the morning, see a judge and face our charges, and then either get released on OR, held for trial, or bail set. It's not much of a democracy if laws are not enforced against powerful people.",
">\n\nOnce you all realize this is just a game and you’re the pawn things will make a lot more sense.",
">\n\nNow hear him cry about never getting a chance to testify when he’s charged.",
">\n\nI see this less as a “you’re excused” and more of a “see you in court”",
">\n\nNo need to bother with it when they've already finished their work. The only thing that testimony would have accomplished would have been getting Trump to look bad on national television, and a potential perjury charge. Trump already has embarrassed himself in public in a massive way since then, and they have bigger crimes to recommend to the DOJ for prosecution.",
">\n\nThe moment they announced the subpoena everyone got a hard on that trump would have to talk. I said it then and I’ll say it again, trump will never have to face any punishment and he doesn’t have to comply to any law or rules. They’re all more suggestions instead of laws.",
">\n\nWhat a waste of fucking time",
">\n\nSo......this was a big fat waste of time and money?",
">\n\nI mean they made a criminal referral so, no? The committee wasn’t set up to solely investigate Dolt 45 and took the testimony of over a thousand people, why is it you believe withdrawing one subpoena because the committee is winding down renders the entire process a “waste of time and money.”",
">\n\nNo mention on CNN that they dropped the subpoena after a year of January 6 January 6 January 6 terrible news station",
">\n\nWell, it’s being run by a Republican so go figure",
">\n\nTalk about the wheels of justice turning slow. In this case reversing altogether. Well done.",
">\n\nI wish this surprised me.",
">\n\nLOL God this is so funny\nWhat the fuck did y'all expect if you have money you are above the law. It only applies to the poor and those who step on the toes of capital.",
">\n\nWhat a waste of money",
">\n\n...And a Happy New Year!",
">\n\nClassic",
">\n\nShocking",
">\n\nOur governing body are a bunch of cowards. The US is being safeguarded by self-interested Congresspersons who speak about accountability and act on cowardice.",
">\n\nLet's be honest he'll get away with everything with a slap on the wrist. This country won't prosecute a sitting or former president or high ranking politician, we've seen this over and over. The whole committee is sadly a publicity stunt to gain traction for Democrat's. I hope I'm completely wrong of course and that this country will start to feel like it's a democracy.",
">\n\nThe coup is in effect.",
">\n\nI have a sad feeling this committee is going to end up like a fart in the wind",
">\n\nYou’re not wrong",
">\n\nWtf are you talking about?",
">\n\nHands",
">\n\nWho are you talking to? Lmao",
">\n\nWent out with a whimper. The most Democrat thing ever.\nWish the Dems would learn how to take the gloves off, at least they would have a shot against an opponent that has no problems filling their gloves with lead shot. Then bragging about it.",
">\n\nThe subpoena, and associated contempt charges would be nothing when compared to the recommendations made by the committee to the DOJ. Whether or not the DOJ will act is all that matters at this point.",
">\n\nPathetic pieces of shit",
">\n\nAll theatre, all the time. Seems like by now, to most people, that somehow being trolled by their favorite elected might be possible.",
">\n\nSo wait, he just gets away with everything? Just like that?\nWhat about all the articles saying that Trump will most likely spend the rest of his life in prison?",
">\n\nThe subpoena has nothing to do with the recommendations made by the committee to the DOJ. The ball is in the DOJ’s court. The subpoena doesn’t impact anything. Absurd that he didn’t get held in contempt, but that is more of a distraction than anything.",
">\n\nI see. Thanks for explaining!",
">\n\nCan anyone explain why he was not arrested for not responding to the subpoena? I thought you had to respond to these?",
">\n\nFirst they would have had to vote for contempt. Then they would need to issue a referral to DOJ, then DOJ would need to consider it. That is not happening in a week before the new congress is sworn in an this committee expires. They have issued their report and no longer need to speak to him. That is why it was withdrawn. Their job is done.",
">\n\nSubpoenas are real, or they’re not.\nIn the real world if any person defied or ignored a subpoena they would be arrested immediately.\nWhy are some Americans allowed to break the law in broad daylight.",
">\n\nWhy is the DOJ dragging its feet in charging anyone?",
">\n\nDOJ has charged over 700 people out of January 6 and they continue to charge cases. Most of these cases took months if not years to come to fruition.\nAt the end of the day DOJ has no obligation to act on any of the committee’s referrals, although I believe they already have ongoing investigations as to several of the subjects. If anything new comes out of the committee’s work it’s unlikely to happen soon.",
">\n\nThe US is beyond broken. The wealthy can do whatever they want while we are the only ones who face consequences. I can’t wait to leave this shithole again. I won’t be making the mistake of coming back like I did last year.",
">\n\nSuch a farce",
">\n\nBut he wanted to appear!!",
">\n\nThe walls are closing in.",
">\n\nOk, people. Quit guilt-edging and go home.",
">\n\nWait so what is Trump a dastardly super villain who keeps getting away or a dumb oaf. You guys just can't decide.",
">\n\nI can’t wait until nothing happens!\nHas it happened yet?",
">\n\n“All animals are equal but some animals are more equal than others.” \nHey, do you think Reddit will ever reach a state of Nirvana where it will stop claiming “Trump is really sweating now!”?",
">\n\nDoes this not set some sort of precedence? If I now get subpoenaed for something can I not just point to Trump/Barr/Holder and say “no thank you”?",
">\n\nWithdrawing a subpoena sets no precedent and is not at all uncommon.",
">\n\nThe subpoena was issued quite some time ago wasn’t it? And he just flat refused. Were Barr and Holder’s also withdrawn?",
">\n\nI saw the headline and thought the committee dropped a subpoena the way you drop an album. Then I read the article and saw that they dropped it like you drop an extra filler track from an album.",
">\n\nIt would have been a waste of time anyway. \n\"Mr. Trump, did you tell your supporters that the election was stolen and send your supporters to violently break into the capitol building to stop Joe Biden from becoming president\"? - January 6th Committee \n\"The fifth\"! - Trump\nDOJ do your job to save this nation from tyranny and further destruction!🙏",
">\n\nSurprised pikachu face",
">\n\nBut these are the same people that wanted peaceful blm protestors bathed in their own blood? What point do we all take this into our own hands",
">\n\nOh, wow. This is really bad for you, US. Like ultra super deluxe so very not good.",
">\n\nLmao…\n“ThE WaLLs arE cLoSIng in”",
">\n\nwell duh...\npolitics from the beginning",
">\n\nWhat an absolute joke.",
">\n\nInb4 trump takes this decision and expresses it as: “completely exonerated!!!”",
">\n\nThey don’t need his testimony. As if he would ever go anywhere close to a government building after the committee’s final report. Just let him relax to make it easier to arrest him"
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Isn’t the rule that if you don’t comply with a congressional subpoena you can be held in contempt and fined or jailed? Can the House sergeant-at-arms arrest the person?
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"So far Trump's legal strategy of ignoring calls for accountability until Republicans in Congress can bail him out is workingly flawlessly.",
">\n\nThat doesn’t mean the DoJ can’t charge and prosecute. \nRight now everything is in response to republicans getting their slim majority in the house and lessen the damage they will do.\nThat said, they still have the mountain of evidence they did gather",
">\n\nWhat about when the AG/DOJ is a GOP appointee? You don’t think they’ll just put in a Bill Barr type on the entire thing?",
">\n\nNot while they have a democratic president and especially when the previous president lost them the midterms.\nThey were already planning on replacing trump with Desantes by equating the 2 (Martha’s Vineyard was part of that), they’re only gonna lose trying to put their party’s future on the line protect him further.\nThey gonna continue to spread doubt and try to discredit the investigations, but they’re barely holding onto a branch of government, they’re not stupid. Barr only worked because they held onto 2",
">\n\nUmmm that’s not what I meant. If a GOP candidate for President wins in 2024 , what are the actual legal implications. It’s not like it’s below them to interfere like they did with the collusion charges",
">\n\n\nThe House January 6 committee is withdrawing its subpoena of former President Donald Trump as it concludes its work.\n“In light of the imminent end of our investigation, the Select Committee can no longer pursue the specific information covered by the subpoena,” Chairman Bennie Thompson, a Mississippi Democrat, wrote in a letter to Trump’s attorney Wednesday obtained by CNN.\n“Therefore, through this letter, I hereby formally withdraw the subpoena issued to former President Trump, and notify you that he is no longer obligated to comply or produce records in response to said subpoena,” Thompson added.",
">\n\nConclusion: Former president Trump is above the law.",
">\n\nYeah kind of makes me sad. Trump can just ignore a subpoena, with zero consequences. \n“We believe you tried to overthrow the government. You are legally required to come talk to us about it.”\n“No thanks.”\n“Oh. Ok, never mind.”",
">\n\nNo consequences? He's has been referred to the DOJ for obstruction of a govt processing last week. They held a recorded vote.",
">\n\nThat’s not a consequence. It’s kicking the can. Trump will never, ever be held responsible for his role in destroying democracy in America.",
">\n\nThis is not TV or a movie. \"The wheels of justice grind slowly yet exceedingly fine\" is a saying for a reason. Federal investigations usually take years.",
">\n\nHe’s been investigated for years. No consequences. Just special appointments, investigations, and referrals. In the mean time, you know who DOES face consequences?\nAmerica.",
">\n\nYou are judging the end of the movie before it is over.\nThe previous investigations were being done while he had the shield of the presidency and an attorney general running obstruction for him. None of that is true now.",
">\n\nThe GOP will continue fighting on his behalf, because the majority are complicit in 45’s fuckery. Again, no consequences will be had. I’m willing to wager a gift card to your favorite local restaurant that he will live fat, rich, and free until at least the 2024/25 inauguration. Save this post.",
">\n\nWe'll see about that. I'll admit to the loss if thats the case.",
">\n\nMore proof that we the people have no rights in comparison to the billionaire ticks.",
">\n\nDude ain't no billionaire",
">\n\nNo, but his buddies are.",
">\n\nHis puppet masters maybe",
">\n\nI mean, who would have thought not starting the fight sooner would end like this?",
">\n\nDon’t worry. He’s got so many more coming.",
">\n\nThe idea that Trump will pay any price for his crimes is a fantasy.",
">\n\nIt’s actually happening. His company has been found guilty. His charity is closed. His cohorts are about to go to jail. His popularity sagging. Protection is gone. We just need the first indictment.",
">\n\nBut none is him",
">\n\nWell Trump Org is pretty much him but be patient.",
">\n\nDrops in the bucket. \nBeen patient for like 6 years now. How much more we gotta wait?",
">\n\nHe couldn’t be prosecuted while president. Watch GA and the special prosecutor. They’re moving fast.",
">\n\nCouldn't be?\nShould have been.",
">\n\nThat’s absolutely wild that any man is able to just straight up ignore a subpoena with zero consequences. Definition of “above the law”. If he gets away with this, he is going to be more dangerous than ever. You get away with leading a coup/insurrection, you’re going to assume you can get away with literally anything. \nMaybe trump was right… he really could shoot someone in the middle of 5th avenue and not lose any voters…and also probably not even get in trouble",
">\n\nSerious questions...so the committee pull the subpoena, but it's up to DOJ for any additional follow up, but when the new congress is in session they can tell DOJ to drop everything? Is that how's its going to go down? Because I thought DOJ is supposed to be independent once given the committee's findings?",
">\n\nThe DOJ is certainly independent of Congress. As for the committee - the only thing they would've done differently was vote on a criminal referral for contempt of Congress. Although there is some truth to congressional contempt needing to stem from congress, The DOJ has no obligation to act on a referral - it is more akin to a recommendation.\nWith that being said, the committee knew it wasn't going to serve any real benefit, so they decided not to.\n\nThe DOJ decided not to prosecute Meadows and Scavino for contempt due to their close ties to the executive. This pretty much ruled out any chance of it happening to Trump, a former President. \nEven a completely successful referral (Steve Bannon) showed how inconsequential Congressional subpoena power is. For one, it is a misdemeanor. It has been ~15 months since Bannon was referred, and he was found guilty and sentenced, and he is still a free man pending appeal. And even if upheld, it's only 4 months in prison as just shy of maximum sentencing guidelines. \nThe DOJ, if they prosecute, are aiming at much bigger crimes - notably Obstruction of an Official Proceeding, which carries up to 20 years. And they'd be potentially trying these crimes in the same jurisdiction.\n\nSo I'm sure the calculation was that it just wasn't worth throwing a referral at the DOJ for something they'd never follow up on, and wouldn't be much benefit if they did.",
">\n\nIn summary, he’s committed so many crimes that this one isn’t worth any effort",
">\n\nEssentially, yeah. The DOJ has two big chances to secure a conviction: Mar-A-Lago and Jan. 6 - and they will likely bring multiple charges in a D.C. court if they decide to prosecute. Mar-A-Lago will come first, which has virtually nothing to do with this committee's work.\nReferring a misdemeanor to tack onto 4 serious felonies they referred probably only risked muddying the larger offenses. Can't blame them honestly.",
">\n\nWhat is “Mar a Lago” in this context! The tax scheme? Classified documents?",
">\n\nThe classified documents",
">\n\nSmall point but they weren't all classified and don't need to be, for what he did to be illegal. Just trying to avoid republican framing.",
">\n\nHillary was not afraid to testify every time she was asked (and testified for hours and hours each time, answering all questions asked) and never took the 5th. Yet republicans act like she is the criminal when it always has been trump.",
">\n\nEven if she was wrong she was smarter than any of the R in the room. That woman was a machine during those hearings and gave them nothing to work with.",
">\n\nShe is definitely smarter than that barrel of monkeys who questioned her, but ultimately, there was nothing to get from her - the perfect opposite case of crimey benedict donald and his co-conspirators.",
">\n\nIt's interesting to see that people think this subpoena would have continued to exist past Jan 3, 2023 given that that's when ALL open subpoenas from the outgoing congress expire and become null and void. Even if the J6 committee continued to exist- they would be required to file a brand new one in the new session.",
">\n\nIt wouldn't be that hard to file a brand new subpoena, they have lawyers who work full-time for them. That isn't an obstacle.",
">\n\nExcept for the committee doesn't exist in the new Congress and they have no powers to do anything if they don't exist.",
">\n\nIt's easy to get the two confused a lot of times.",
">\n\nHow many of y'all actually thought he wasn't going to run out the clock? \nNothing will fundamentally change.",
">\n\nNobody. The “justice takes time” chorus that dominated the narrative was only here to quell social unrest so society didn’t take a dive while the rich mocked us from their golden pedestals.",
">\n\nSerious question: Why? So what if the Dems lose power in the Congress. Let the Republicans be the one to formally dismantle the committee and subpoena on record. Then when hopefully Trump is charged by the DOJ, dems have another talking point for 2024 that the Republicans hate law and order and protect mob bosses.",
">\n\nThe select committee expires at the end of the congressional session. So they do not need to question him because the committee will not exist.",
">\n\nBut what is the point of formally withdrawing the subpoena? What does it accomplish?",
">\n\nThe committee is over. They have issued the report, they are closing up shop. They are following the process. A secondary part of the committees job was to show how a REAL congressional hearing should be handled. None of that sloppy ass grandstanding they did for Benghazi",
">\n\nMy viewpoint is that Trump and the GOP are just going to use this as “proof” that he did nothing wrong. Remember how the Mueller report “exonerated” Trump? His base believes this shit wholeheartedly and I guarantee he will use this as “evidence” for his innocence.\nShowing how things SHOULD be handled instead of taking whatever measures needed to protect Americans lead to Jan 6th happening in the first place. We all know how things should be handled, how the rules should work, but one side is willing to do whatever they need to keep power and the other is getting walked over.\nIs taking the high road worth letting fascism into our government?",
">\n\nIt’s good to know that republicans are allowed to ignore subpoenas. That’s useful info for them. Don’t expect dems to get that treatment",
">\n\nThey dropped the ball in not issuing one a couple of months ago",
">\n\nActually the Democrats have done everything not to ever pick up the ball even once. They let trump appointed republicans appoint a republican special counsel to fall like a straw man to blatant obstruction in the Russia probe. They turned it into a fundraiser for campaigning. \nThis time they let liz Cheney take the reins, who was able to preserve her republican prerogatives throughout this entire ordeal. \nThe fact is that you're all being cucked by forces of controlled opposition and I'm apparently the only one in the world who can't be so easily mitigated.\nI can't depend on any of you anymore than you can depend on yourselves.",
">\n\nYou lost all credibility at the end when you said cuck and act like you’re the smartest person in the world. Be gone!",
">\n\nYeah, I don't know how anyone can be expected to be taken seriously using that whole sentence unironically.",
">\n\nI don't expect to be taken seriously whether I say it or not, yet the facts remain as I've described.",
">\n\nI didn’t see that coming, said absolutely no one.",
">\n\nWhy.",
">\n\nHUGE mistake. The committee will be dissolved by the GOPers in a couple weeks, and all this did was to give the Marmalade Moses another fake victory to rile up his lemmings.",
">\n\nIt’s funny because I say the same thing every time about trump never getting charged and I always get shit about it like BUT NO THIS TIME IS DIFFERENT. \nLmao right. Sure it is.",
">\n\nFucking same. This is just more “ammo” for his orange, shit spewing mouth.",
">\n\nThis guy is still getting more media coverage than the current potus two years into his term. Crazy.",
">\n\nIt does blow that he wasn't forced to comply with the subpoena but for people thinking what a bummer this seems like, the house is switching to a republican majority in like a week so it didn't make a whole lot of sense to leave an active subpoena on record knowing it would never be resolved. They likely knew he wasn't going to comply when it was issued only now its offical that it was officially issued, ignored by trump, and terminated. Who knows if the DOJ will eventually file but everyone pretty much already knew that little temper tantrum trump wasn't going to aid in his own house sedition investigation.",
">\n\nIf we restrict ourselves to the issue of compliance with a subpoena from this committee, then the recent election clearly mooted every aspect of penalties or consequences related to ignoring the subpoena.\nIt's like a big brother was called over and little bro wanted him to force his adversary to bow and kiss the ground. But by the time big bro finally wanders over, the kid goes \"nah... we're good.\"\nA lot of folk like to believe contempt of court or contempt of congress is like any other crime where you do the deed and have to face the punishment. But, in general, these things do not work like crimes. Even where contempt has been codified such that there is a criminal contempt aspect, the goal remains to seek or to force compliance. This leads to \"punishments\" which are better or worse depending on how you view things. A simple view is that you could be \"sentenced\" to indefinite incarceration because it's a \"jailed until compliance\" thing.\nIn this case, Congress has been very, very reticent to try to use their inherent power to jail someone. So the most they ever do these days is refer the case to the DoJ to pursue criminal contempt of congress.\nAll in all, is this a \"good\" thing? Maybe it's not as bad as we feel it to be. Imagine any sort of argument where someone demands you do something. You retort \"are you sure?\" Bystanders urge folk cool down and think about it. Map that into the way Congress changes every two years and you get a sense that unless something is important enough that it remains after the public alters the composition of the legislative branch, maybe it's not all that important (to the public) after all.\nOn the other hand, why would anyone fear Congress when they demonstrate time and again there never really are any consequences for refusal to comply with subpoenas? But... do we want to quake in fear whenever some nutjob party gains control and enacts something as dire as the Committee on Unamerican Activities?",
">\n\nWhat is the advantage of dropping the subpoena, as opposed to just letting it expire/letting the new congress withdraw it? Why go on record saying he no longer has to come in? I get that he was never going to show, I’m just curious why this is better than the alternative.",
">\n\nI’m wondering this too. There has to be a good reason.",
">\n\n?? Why, like it had no power, but still why? This looks like weakness",
">\n\nThe subpoena expires when the new congress is sworn in on Jan 3rd. There was no practical way to enforce it.",
">\n\nWhy not just let it expire?\nNow Republicans have a talking point that the January 6th Committee withdrew their subpoena.\nThey'll use it to muddy the waters and spread more misinformation.",
">\n\nThey already had their talking points. They've had them the whole time. They already released a \"counter report\" to the J6 committee. The committee withdrew it because they are closing up shop. The report is out. Where would Donnie's answers go?",
">\n\nWhy was he not charged with contempt for no show? Once again, he gets let off for bad behaviour",
">\n\nBecause they referred him for 4 much more serious crimes with longer sentences. Referring him for this is essentially pointless.",
">\n\nYes, but i see it as another nail in the coffin, and also sends a message that subpoenas are not to be ignored",
">\n\nImagine if you or I tried to just ignore a subpoena.",
">\n\nIt’s OK if you’re a Republican, as the war criminal’s daughter who voted in line with Trump’s policies during her House tenure can attest.",
">\n\nAnother instance of unequal justice under the law, imo. If you or I disregarded a subpoena from Congress we'd be going to jail...like Steve Bannon.",
">\n\nDrag it out, do nothing, repeat. Glad the J6 group produced a ton of info and exposed a lot of the bs but what's the point of nothing really happens? Media circus? I'm so tired.",
">\n\nGreat precedent. It's good to know if I'm ever subpoenaed by congress I can just ignore it.",
">\n\nJ6 knew he'd puss out and just wanted to get it on the record. And for the same reason they haven't gone after Meadows for ignoring his subpoena, are all of the other serious crimes hanging over him and the orange Traitor in Chief, especially now, the subpoenas aren't worth the time and effort.",
">\n\n\nAnd for the same reason they haven't gone after Meadows for ignoring his subpoena\n\nTo be fair... the House voted him in criminal contempt and sent the referral to that to the DoJ. There wasn't really anything they could do beyond that with respect to his subpoena (yes, inherent contempt in theory exists, in practice it would have been useless for multiple reasons).\nMeadows is also included in the big criminal referrals the committee issued as part of their report as well.",
">\n\nAs usual, this country’s justice system is a joke",
">\n\nThis was a subpoena issued by the congress, not DOJ. He would be arrested if this was subpoena by DOJ and he didn’t show.",
">\n\nLike I said lol this country’s justice system is a joke",
">\n\nBut the justice system has not been involved yet!!! Congressional hearing is not an example of the justice system. The congress has referred the case to the DOJ or “the justice system” as a result of their hearing. DOJ will pursue a criminal investigation and pursue charges. \nJudiciary (justice system as you call it), congress, and executive branches are constitutionally separate and independent to ensure checks and balances.\nJustice system in the US is not ideal, but this specific instance is not an example of these inefficiencies. This is an example of how the congress has been ineffective in doing their legislative actions. In this instance the correct statement would be “Legislative system in this country is a joke.” Justice system has not had a chance to show its incompetence yet. That will be next.",
">\n\nNaive of you to think this is anything more than a show they’re putting on. Nothing will come of it, democrats are by nature pussies let’s be real. None have any teeth or claws. The right is full of a bunch of tribalistic monkeys, party is apparently more important than country. I guess I can rephrase, besides making money and being the best business in the world, America is a joke.",
">\n\n\"OMG. I'm so outraged by this even though I have no idea why.\"\nIt'd be nice if you guys learned the difference between the subpoena and the criminal referral. trump was never going to show up for the subpoena especially since the GOP is about to take control. It's a completely moot point.",
">\n\nExactly. The committee already referred him to the DoJ on criminal charges. Everyone is acting like they're just taking their ball and going home. They already went well and beyond a mere subpoena here, and one of the charges that they're recommending is obstruction already.",
">\n\nAren’t subpoenas mandatory with consequences? Either you show up or go to jail. Trump did neither.",
">\n\nNot if you are rich. Laws are you only for the the lower 90%",
">\n\nThis is such bullshit.",
">\n\nAnother precedent set for rich criminals to not comply. If we citizens didn’t show we’d be at a black site with electrodes on our genitals.",
">\n\nThey should have charged Trump with contempt of Congress.",
">\n\nSo whens the next uprising on behalf of rich people? Just be sure you're actually a political player because if you're just a worker you'll be charged. Chess has really changed over the past hundred years.",
">\n\nTotally expected. \nTrump, the really TV star, said he'd only agree to answer the subpoena if it were live & televised. It's quite obvious the reason is that he'd ignore the questioning & use the free air time to spew his BS, much like in the Presidential debates. \nAnd I'm sure the incoming Republican House would have loved to have given him the opportunity",
">\n\nyeah kinda moot at this point , they already made those criminal referrals anyways lol i wish they would have perused charging him for not showing up however but maybe they figured in light of everything they should focus on the key issues and at this point whatever he had to say really doesnt matter anyways as he would just lie. his testimony would pretty much be useless. its still a shame we didnt get to see it just for historys sake lol",
">\n\nAl trump would do is take the 5th like any other ordinary criminal",
">\n\nSo far as things have gone, will it now be ok for Democrats to ignore all the subpoenas that this next R House is going to send around? I’d think so….",
">\n\nOur government has failed us.... Good luck everyone.",
">\n\nAh yes the criminal Justice system, quite possibly the longest running joke in America",
">\n\n& you just know the cheeto will say something like, ha!, they dropped the subpoena cause they knew I am innocent, or some 💩 like that",
">\n\nNo surprise there. Trump is above the law, as he has proven time and again, over and over throughout the last several years. \nI will be surprised if anything comes out of this investigation, at all. \nI will be surprised if the next republican president isn't worse than Trump. \nI mean seriously, how do they convict him of anything if they can't even call him for questioning. Ever heard of anyone, ever, to get convicted of a crime that didn't have to talk to investigators at some point? \nFuck America. Fuck Trump. And fuck the pussy ass people who refuse to do their fucking job.",
">\n\nThey dropped it because it wasn't necessary and would have given him a national platform needlessly. DOJ will pass to the special council which will bring formal charges, if any will be brought.",
">\n\nThis is actually heartbreaking. Seen a lot of politicians and people of note show time and time again that the rules for EVERY CITIZEN don’t apply to them and this stings just a little more",
">\n\nMy theory that he is blackmailing everyone from the White House down with Area 51 malarky is still holding water...",
">\n\nLet us all start committing crimes and see how that goes, this is bs",
">\n\nSuch bs. I knew he would sleeze his way out of any consequences for his actions. This will only embolden him & his lunatic followers. He incites a riot that kills people & gets away with it. If any of us incited a riot, we would still be in jail & if people died during the riot, we would be charged with murder as well. So sick & tired of the double standard when it comes to a president who breaks the law & walks away, just like nixon did.",
">\n\nshould not have dropped\nshould have referred it to doj for contempt of congress...\nwhite rich continue to get a pass for what the rest of us would have long ago been prosecuted and imprisoned...",
">\n\nThey already referred him to DOJ for obstruction of a govt proceeding last week. What are you talking about?",
">\n\nYeah, because why would you want to subpoena the guy who was completely responsible for the entire thing?\nThe Chuck Schumer neoliberals have engineered this to completely let Trump get away with it - because they think the Republicans are still their friends and they don't want to piss them off!",
">\n\nThey subpoenaed trump months ago. He declined to show. Since, investigation is over, they dropped it. This is not even really news worthy.",
">\n\nHalf the people in this thread have no idea what they're talking about and are confusing the subpoena with the criminal referral.",
">\n\nOh, is that what's going on? Lol. I was wondering why ppl are making a big deal about this. This is just the committee cleaning up loose ends.",
">\n\nIt's a big deal if someone who's now a private citizen, can do wtf he wants and ignore a Congressional subpoena.",
">\n\nIt takes votes by congress to hold in contempt. They didn't need trump's testimony. He would just show up and repeat I plead the 5th anyway. Pence ignored his, too. It's pointless to hold them in contempt and get off focus of actual investigation.",
">\n\nYou're proving my point. Congressional Democrats should have enforced the subpoena and made Trump plead the 5th to every question. Imagine if Pence also appeared and pled the 5th to every question. That is political magic for the Democrats, it makes them look guilty as hell.\nTrump committed a crime, and this is America. It should be the same as if I committed a crime. We would get arrested, taken to jail until the morning, see a judge and face our charges, and then either get released on OR, held for trial, or bail set. It's not much of a democracy if laws are not enforced against powerful people.",
">\n\nOnce you all realize this is just a game and you’re the pawn things will make a lot more sense.",
">\n\nNow hear him cry about never getting a chance to testify when he’s charged.",
">\n\nI see this less as a “you’re excused” and more of a “see you in court”",
">\n\nNo need to bother with it when they've already finished their work. The only thing that testimony would have accomplished would have been getting Trump to look bad on national television, and a potential perjury charge. Trump already has embarrassed himself in public in a massive way since then, and they have bigger crimes to recommend to the DOJ for prosecution.",
">\n\nThe moment they announced the subpoena everyone got a hard on that trump would have to talk. I said it then and I’ll say it again, trump will never have to face any punishment and he doesn’t have to comply to any law or rules. They’re all more suggestions instead of laws.",
">\n\nWhat a waste of fucking time",
">\n\nSo......this was a big fat waste of time and money?",
">\n\nI mean they made a criminal referral so, no? The committee wasn’t set up to solely investigate Dolt 45 and took the testimony of over a thousand people, why is it you believe withdrawing one subpoena because the committee is winding down renders the entire process a “waste of time and money.”",
">\n\nNo mention on CNN that they dropped the subpoena after a year of January 6 January 6 January 6 terrible news station",
">\n\nWell, it’s being run by a Republican so go figure",
">\n\nTalk about the wheels of justice turning slow. In this case reversing altogether. Well done.",
">\n\nI wish this surprised me.",
">\n\nLOL God this is so funny\nWhat the fuck did y'all expect if you have money you are above the law. It only applies to the poor and those who step on the toes of capital.",
">\n\nWhat a waste of money",
">\n\n...And a Happy New Year!",
">\n\nClassic",
">\n\nShocking",
">\n\nOur governing body are a bunch of cowards. The US is being safeguarded by self-interested Congresspersons who speak about accountability and act on cowardice.",
">\n\nLet's be honest he'll get away with everything with a slap on the wrist. This country won't prosecute a sitting or former president or high ranking politician, we've seen this over and over. The whole committee is sadly a publicity stunt to gain traction for Democrat's. I hope I'm completely wrong of course and that this country will start to feel like it's a democracy.",
">\n\nThe coup is in effect.",
">\n\nI have a sad feeling this committee is going to end up like a fart in the wind",
">\n\nYou’re not wrong",
">\n\nWtf are you talking about?",
">\n\nHands",
">\n\nWho are you talking to? Lmao",
">\n\nWent out with a whimper. The most Democrat thing ever.\nWish the Dems would learn how to take the gloves off, at least they would have a shot against an opponent that has no problems filling their gloves with lead shot. Then bragging about it.",
">\n\nThe subpoena, and associated contempt charges would be nothing when compared to the recommendations made by the committee to the DOJ. Whether or not the DOJ will act is all that matters at this point.",
">\n\nPathetic pieces of shit",
">\n\nAll theatre, all the time. Seems like by now, to most people, that somehow being trolled by their favorite elected might be possible.",
">\n\nSo wait, he just gets away with everything? Just like that?\nWhat about all the articles saying that Trump will most likely spend the rest of his life in prison?",
">\n\nThe subpoena has nothing to do with the recommendations made by the committee to the DOJ. The ball is in the DOJ’s court. The subpoena doesn’t impact anything. Absurd that he didn’t get held in contempt, but that is more of a distraction than anything.",
">\n\nI see. Thanks for explaining!",
">\n\nCan anyone explain why he was not arrested for not responding to the subpoena? I thought you had to respond to these?",
">\n\nFirst they would have had to vote for contempt. Then they would need to issue a referral to DOJ, then DOJ would need to consider it. That is not happening in a week before the new congress is sworn in an this committee expires. They have issued their report and no longer need to speak to him. That is why it was withdrawn. Their job is done.",
">\n\nSubpoenas are real, or they’re not.\nIn the real world if any person defied or ignored a subpoena they would be arrested immediately.\nWhy are some Americans allowed to break the law in broad daylight.",
">\n\nWhy is the DOJ dragging its feet in charging anyone?",
">\n\nDOJ has charged over 700 people out of January 6 and they continue to charge cases. Most of these cases took months if not years to come to fruition.\nAt the end of the day DOJ has no obligation to act on any of the committee’s referrals, although I believe they already have ongoing investigations as to several of the subjects. If anything new comes out of the committee’s work it’s unlikely to happen soon.",
">\n\nThe US is beyond broken. The wealthy can do whatever they want while we are the only ones who face consequences. I can’t wait to leave this shithole again. I won’t be making the mistake of coming back like I did last year.",
">\n\nSuch a farce",
">\n\nBut he wanted to appear!!",
">\n\nThe walls are closing in.",
">\n\nOk, people. Quit guilt-edging and go home.",
">\n\nWait so what is Trump a dastardly super villain who keeps getting away or a dumb oaf. You guys just can't decide.",
">\n\nI can’t wait until nothing happens!\nHas it happened yet?",
">\n\n“All animals are equal but some animals are more equal than others.” \nHey, do you think Reddit will ever reach a state of Nirvana where it will stop claiming “Trump is really sweating now!”?",
">\n\nDoes this not set some sort of precedence? If I now get subpoenaed for something can I not just point to Trump/Barr/Holder and say “no thank you”?",
">\n\nWithdrawing a subpoena sets no precedent and is not at all uncommon.",
">\n\nThe subpoena was issued quite some time ago wasn’t it? And he just flat refused. Were Barr and Holder’s also withdrawn?",
">\n\nI saw the headline and thought the committee dropped a subpoena the way you drop an album. Then I read the article and saw that they dropped it like you drop an extra filler track from an album.",
">\n\nIt would have been a waste of time anyway. \n\"Mr. Trump, did you tell your supporters that the election was stolen and send your supporters to violently break into the capitol building to stop Joe Biden from becoming president\"? - January 6th Committee \n\"The fifth\"! - Trump\nDOJ do your job to save this nation from tyranny and further destruction!🙏",
">\n\nSurprised pikachu face",
">\n\nBut these are the same people that wanted peaceful blm protestors bathed in their own blood? What point do we all take this into our own hands",
">\n\nOh, wow. This is really bad for you, US. Like ultra super deluxe so very not good.",
">\n\nLmao…\n“ThE WaLLs arE cLoSIng in”",
">\n\nwell duh...\npolitics from the beginning",
">\n\nWhat an absolute joke.",
">\n\nInb4 trump takes this decision and expresses it as: “completely exonerated!!!”",
">\n\nThey don’t need his testimony. As if he would ever go anywhere close to a government building after the committee’s final report. Just let him relax to make it easier to arrest him",
">\n\nfucking why?"
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"So far Trump's legal strategy of ignoring calls for accountability until Republicans in Congress can bail him out is workingly flawlessly.",
">\n\nThat doesn’t mean the DoJ can’t charge and prosecute. \nRight now everything is in response to republicans getting their slim majority in the house and lessen the damage they will do.\nThat said, they still have the mountain of evidence they did gather",
">\n\nWhat about when the AG/DOJ is a GOP appointee? You don’t think they’ll just put in a Bill Barr type on the entire thing?",
">\n\nNot while they have a democratic president and especially when the previous president lost them the midterms.\nThey were already planning on replacing trump with Desantes by equating the 2 (Martha’s Vineyard was part of that), they’re only gonna lose trying to put their party’s future on the line protect him further.\nThey gonna continue to spread doubt and try to discredit the investigations, but they’re barely holding onto a branch of government, they’re not stupid. Barr only worked because they held onto 2",
">\n\nUmmm that’s not what I meant. If a GOP candidate for President wins in 2024 , what are the actual legal implications. It’s not like it’s below them to interfere like they did with the collusion charges",
">\n\n\nThe House January 6 committee is withdrawing its subpoena of former President Donald Trump as it concludes its work.\n“In light of the imminent end of our investigation, the Select Committee can no longer pursue the specific information covered by the subpoena,” Chairman Bennie Thompson, a Mississippi Democrat, wrote in a letter to Trump’s attorney Wednesday obtained by CNN.\n“Therefore, through this letter, I hereby formally withdraw the subpoena issued to former President Trump, and notify you that he is no longer obligated to comply or produce records in response to said subpoena,” Thompson added.",
">\n\nConclusion: Former president Trump is above the law.",
">\n\nYeah kind of makes me sad. Trump can just ignore a subpoena, with zero consequences. \n“We believe you tried to overthrow the government. You are legally required to come talk to us about it.”\n“No thanks.”\n“Oh. Ok, never mind.”",
">\n\nNo consequences? He's has been referred to the DOJ for obstruction of a govt processing last week. They held a recorded vote.",
">\n\nThat’s not a consequence. It’s kicking the can. Trump will never, ever be held responsible for his role in destroying democracy in America.",
">\n\nThis is not TV or a movie. \"The wheels of justice grind slowly yet exceedingly fine\" is a saying for a reason. Federal investigations usually take years.",
">\n\nHe’s been investigated for years. No consequences. Just special appointments, investigations, and referrals. In the mean time, you know who DOES face consequences?\nAmerica.",
">\n\nYou are judging the end of the movie before it is over.\nThe previous investigations were being done while he had the shield of the presidency and an attorney general running obstruction for him. None of that is true now.",
">\n\nThe GOP will continue fighting on his behalf, because the majority are complicit in 45’s fuckery. Again, no consequences will be had. I’m willing to wager a gift card to your favorite local restaurant that he will live fat, rich, and free until at least the 2024/25 inauguration. Save this post.",
">\n\nWe'll see about that. I'll admit to the loss if thats the case.",
">\n\nMore proof that we the people have no rights in comparison to the billionaire ticks.",
">\n\nDude ain't no billionaire",
">\n\nNo, but his buddies are.",
">\n\nHis puppet masters maybe",
">\n\nI mean, who would have thought not starting the fight sooner would end like this?",
">\n\nDon’t worry. He’s got so many more coming.",
">\n\nThe idea that Trump will pay any price for his crimes is a fantasy.",
">\n\nIt’s actually happening. His company has been found guilty. His charity is closed. His cohorts are about to go to jail. His popularity sagging. Protection is gone. We just need the first indictment.",
">\n\nBut none is him",
">\n\nWell Trump Org is pretty much him but be patient.",
">\n\nDrops in the bucket. \nBeen patient for like 6 years now. How much more we gotta wait?",
">\n\nHe couldn’t be prosecuted while president. Watch GA and the special prosecutor. They’re moving fast.",
">\n\nCouldn't be?\nShould have been.",
">\n\nThat’s absolutely wild that any man is able to just straight up ignore a subpoena with zero consequences. Definition of “above the law”. If he gets away with this, he is going to be more dangerous than ever. You get away with leading a coup/insurrection, you’re going to assume you can get away with literally anything. \nMaybe trump was right… he really could shoot someone in the middle of 5th avenue and not lose any voters…and also probably not even get in trouble",
">\n\nSerious questions...so the committee pull the subpoena, but it's up to DOJ for any additional follow up, but when the new congress is in session they can tell DOJ to drop everything? Is that how's its going to go down? Because I thought DOJ is supposed to be independent once given the committee's findings?",
">\n\nThe DOJ is certainly independent of Congress. As for the committee - the only thing they would've done differently was vote on a criminal referral for contempt of Congress. Although there is some truth to congressional contempt needing to stem from congress, The DOJ has no obligation to act on a referral - it is more akin to a recommendation.\nWith that being said, the committee knew it wasn't going to serve any real benefit, so they decided not to.\n\nThe DOJ decided not to prosecute Meadows and Scavino for contempt due to their close ties to the executive. This pretty much ruled out any chance of it happening to Trump, a former President. \nEven a completely successful referral (Steve Bannon) showed how inconsequential Congressional subpoena power is. For one, it is a misdemeanor. It has been ~15 months since Bannon was referred, and he was found guilty and sentenced, and he is still a free man pending appeal. And even if upheld, it's only 4 months in prison as just shy of maximum sentencing guidelines. \nThe DOJ, if they prosecute, are aiming at much bigger crimes - notably Obstruction of an Official Proceeding, which carries up to 20 years. And they'd be potentially trying these crimes in the same jurisdiction.\n\nSo I'm sure the calculation was that it just wasn't worth throwing a referral at the DOJ for something they'd never follow up on, and wouldn't be much benefit if they did.",
">\n\nIn summary, he’s committed so many crimes that this one isn’t worth any effort",
">\n\nEssentially, yeah. The DOJ has two big chances to secure a conviction: Mar-A-Lago and Jan. 6 - and they will likely bring multiple charges in a D.C. court if they decide to prosecute. Mar-A-Lago will come first, which has virtually nothing to do with this committee's work.\nReferring a misdemeanor to tack onto 4 serious felonies they referred probably only risked muddying the larger offenses. Can't blame them honestly.",
">\n\nWhat is “Mar a Lago” in this context! The tax scheme? Classified documents?",
">\n\nThe classified documents",
">\n\nSmall point but they weren't all classified and don't need to be, for what he did to be illegal. Just trying to avoid republican framing.",
">\n\nHillary was not afraid to testify every time she was asked (and testified for hours and hours each time, answering all questions asked) and never took the 5th. Yet republicans act like she is the criminal when it always has been trump.",
">\n\nEven if she was wrong she was smarter than any of the R in the room. That woman was a machine during those hearings and gave them nothing to work with.",
">\n\nShe is definitely smarter than that barrel of monkeys who questioned her, but ultimately, there was nothing to get from her - the perfect opposite case of crimey benedict donald and his co-conspirators.",
">\n\nIt's interesting to see that people think this subpoena would have continued to exist past Jan 3, 2023 given that that's when ALL open subpoenas from the outgoing congress expire and become null and void. Even if the J6 committee continued to exist- they would be required to file a brand new one in the new session.",
">\n\nIt wouldn't be that hard to file a brand new subpoena, they have lawyers who work full-time for them. That isn't an obstacle.",
">\n\nExcept for the committee doesn't exist in the new Congress and they have no powers to do anything if they don't exist.",
">\n\nIt's easy to get the two confused a lot of times.",
">\n\nHow many of y'all actually thought he wasn't going to run out the clock? \nNothing will fundamentally change.",
">\n\nNobody. The “justice takes time” chorus that dominated the narrative was only here to quell social unrest so society didn’t take a dive while the rich mocked us from their golden pedestals.",
">\n\nSerious question: Why? So what if the Dems lose power in the Congress. Let the Republicans be the one to formally dismantle the committee and subpoena on record. Then when hopefully Trump is charged by the DOJ, dems have another talking point for 2024 that the Republicans hate law and order and protect mob bosses.",
">\n\nThe select committee expires at the end of the congressional session. So they do not need to question him because the committee will not exist.",
">\n\nBut what is the point of formally withdrawing the subpoena? What does it accomplish?",
">\n\nThe committee is over. They have issued the report, they are closing up shop. They are following the process. A secondary part of the committees job was to show how a REAL congressional hearing should be handled. None of that sloppy ass grandstanding they did for Benghazi",
">\n\nMy viewpoint is that Trump and the GOP are just going to use this as “proof” that he did nothing wrong. Remember how the Mueller report “exonerated” Trump? His base believes this shit wholeheartedly and I guarantee he will use this as “evidence” for his innocence.\nShowing how things SHOULD be handled instead of taking whatever measures needed to protect Americans lead to Jan 6th happening in the first place. We all know how things should be handled, how the rules should work, but one side is willing to do whatever they need to keep power and the other is getting walked over.\nIs taking the high road worth letting fascism into our government?",
">\n\nIt’s good to know that republicans are allowed to ignore subpoenas. That’s useful info for them. Don’t expect dems to get that treatment",
">\n\nThey dropped the ball in not issuing one a couple of months ago",
">\n\nActually the Democrats have done everything not to ever pick up the ball even once. They let trump appointed republicans appoint a republican special counsel to fall like a straw man to blatant obstruction in the Russia probe. They turned it into a fundraiser for campaigning. \nThis time they let liz Cheney take the reins, who was able to preserve her republican prerogatives throughout this entire ordeal. \nThe fact is that you're all being cucked by forces of controlled opposition and I'm apparently the only one in the world who can't be so easily mitigated.\nI can't depend on any of you anymore than you can depend on yourselves.",
">\n\nYou lost all credibility at the end when you said cuck and act like you’re the smartest person in the world. Be gone!",
">\n\nYeah, I don't know how anyone can be expected to be taken seriously using that whole sentence unironically.",
">\n\nI don't expect to be taken seriously whether I say it or not, yet the facts remain as I've described.",
">\n\nI didn’t see that coming, said absolutely no one.",
">\n\nWhy.",
">\n\nHUGE mistake. The committee will be dissolved by the GOPers in a couple weeks, and all this did was to give the Marmalade Moses another fake victory to rile up his lemmings.",
">\n\nIt’s funny because I say the same thing every time about trump never getting charged and I always get shit about it like BUT NO THIS TIME IS DIFFERENT. \nLmao right. Sure it is.",
">\n\nFucking same. This is just more “ammo” for his orange, shit spewing mouth.",
">\n\nThis guy is still getting more media coverage than the current potus two years into his term. Crazy.",
">\n\nIt does blow that he wasn't forced to comply with the subpoena but for people thinking what a bummer this seems like, the house is switching to a republican majority in like a week so it didn't make a whole lot of sense to leave an active subpoena on record knowing it would never be resolved. They likely knew he wasn't going to comply when it was issued only now its offical that it was officially issued, ignored by trump, and terminated. Who knows if the DOJ will eventually file but everyone pretty much already knew that little temper tantrum trump wasn't going to aid in his own house sedition investigation.",
">\n\nIf we restrict ourselves to the issue of compliance with a subpoena from this committee, then the recent election clearly mooted every aspect of penalties or consequences related to ignoring the subpoena.\nIt's like a big brother was called over and little bro wanted him to force his adversary to bow and kiss the ground. But by the time big bro finally wanders over, the kid goes \"nah... we're good.\"\nA lot of folk like to believe contempt of court or contempt of congress is like any other crime where you do the deed and have to face the punishment. But, in general, these things do not work like crimes. Even where contempt has been codified such that there is a criminal contempt aspect, the goal remains to seek or to force compliance. This leads to \"punishments\" which are better or worse depending on how you view things. A simple view is that you could be \"sentenced\" to indefinite incarceration because it's a \"jailed until compliance\" thing.\nIn this case, Congress has been very, very reticent to try to use their inherent power to jail someone. So the most they ever do these days is refer the case to the DoJ to pursue criminal contempt of congress.\nAll in all, is this a \"good\" thing? Maybe it's not as bad as we feel it to be. Imagine any sort of argument where someone demands you do something. You retort \"are you sure?\" Bystanders urge folk cool down and think about it. Map that into the way Congress changes every two years and you get a sense that unless something is important enough that it remains after the public alters the composition of the legislative branch, maybe it's not all that important (to the public) after all.\nOn the other hand, why would anyone fear Congress when they demonstrate time and again there never really are any consequences for refusal to comply with subpoenas? But... do we want to quake in fear whenever some nutjob party gains control and enacts something as dire as the Committee on Unamerican Activities?",
">\n\nWhat is the advantage of dropping the subpoena, as opposed to just letting it expire/letting the new congress withdraw it? Why go on record saying he no longer has to come in? I get that he was never going to show, I’m just curious why this is better than the alternative.",
">\n\nI’m wondering this too. There has to be a good reason.",
">\n\n?? Why, like it had no power, but still why? This looks like weakness",
">\n\nThe subpoena expires when the new congress is sworn in on Jan 3rd. There was no practical way to enforce it.",
">\n\nWhy not just let it expire?\nNow Republicans have a talking point that the January 6th Committee withdrew their subpoena.\nThey'll use it to muddy the waters and spread more misinformation.",
">\n\nThey already had their talking points. They've had them the whole time. They already released a \"counter report\" to the J6 committee. The committee withdrew it because they are closing up shop. The report is out. Where would Donnie's answers go?",
">\n\nWhy was he not charged with contempt for no show? Once again, he gets let off for bad behaviour",
">\n\nBecause they referred him for 4 much more serious crimes with longer sentences. Referring him for this is essentially pointless.",
">\n\nYes, but i see it as another nail in the coffin, and also sends a message that subpoenas are not to be ignored",
">\n\nImagine if you or I tried to just ignore a subpoena.",
">\n\nIt’s OK if you’re a Republican, as the war criminal’s daughter who voted in line with Trump’s policies during her House tenure can attest.",
">\n\nAnother instance of unequal justice under the law, imo. If you or I disregarded a subpoena from Congress we'd be going to jail...like Steve Bannon.",
">\n\nDrag it out, do nothing, repeat. Glad the J6 group produced a ton of info and exposed a lot of the bs but what's the point of nothing really happens? Media circus? I'm so tired.",
">\n\nGreat precedent. It's good to know if I'm ever subpoenaed by congress I can just ignore it.",
">\n\nJ6 knew he'd puss out and just wanted to get it on the record. And for the same reason they haven't gone after Meadows for ignoring his subpoena, are all of the other serious crimes hanging over him and the orange Traitor in Chief, especially now, the subpoenas aren't worth the time and effort.",
">\n\n\nAnd for the same reason they haven't gone after Meadows for ignoring his subpoena\n\nTo be fair... the House voted him in criminal contempt and sent the referral to that to the DoJ. There wasn't really anything they could do beyond that with respect to his subpoena (yes, inherent contempt in theory exists, in practice it would have been useless for multiple reasons).\nMeadows is also included in the big criminal referrals the committee issued as part of their report as well.",
">\n\nAs usual, this country’s justice system is a joke",
">\n\nThis was a subpoena issued by the congress, not DOJ. He would be arrested if this was subpoena by DOJ and he didn’t show.",
">\n\nLike I said lol this country’s justice system is a joke",
">\n\nBut the justice system has not been involved yet!!! Congressional hearing is not an example of the justice system. The congress has referred the case to the DOJ or “the justice system” as a result of their hearing. DOJ will pursue a criminal investigation and pursue charges. \nJudiciary (justice system as you call it), congress, and executive branches are constitutionally separate and independent to ensure checks and balances.\nJustice system in the US is not ideal, but this specific instance is not an example of these inefficiencies. This is an example of how the congress has been ineffective in doing their legislative actions. In this instance the correct statement would be “Legislative system in this country is a joke.” Justice system has not had a chance to show its incompetence yet. That will be next.",
">\n\nNaive of you to think this is anything more than a show they’re putting on. Nothing will come of it, democrats are by nature pussies let’s be real. None have any teeth or claws. The right is full of a bunch of tribalistic monkeys, party is apparently more important than country. I guess I can rephrase, besides making money and being the best business in the world, America is a joke.",
">\n\n\"OMG. I'm so outraged by this even though I have no idea why.\"\nIt'd be nice if you guys learned the difference between the subpoena and the criminal referral. trump was never going to show up for the subpoena especially since the GOP is about to take control. It's a completely moot point.",
">\n\nExactly. The committee already referred him to the DoJ on criminal charges. Everyone is acting like they're just taking their ball and going home. They already went well and beyond a mere subpoena here, and one of the charges that they're recommending is obstruction already.",
">\n\nAren’t subpoenas mandatory with consequences? Either you show up or go to jail. Trump did neither.",
">\n\nNot if you are rich. Laws are you only for the the lower 90%",
">\n\nThis is such bullshit.",
">\n\nAnother precedent set for rich criminals to not comply. If we citizens didn’t show we’d be at a black site with electrodes on our genitals.",
">\n\nThey should have charged Trump with contempt of Congress.",
">\n\nSo whens the next uprising on behalf of rich people? Just be sure you're actually a political player because if you're just a worker you'll be charged. Chess has really changed over the past hundred years.",
">\n\nTotally expected. \nTrump, the really TV star, said he'd only agree to answer the subpoena if it were live & televised. It's quite obvious the reason is that he'd ignore the questioning & use the free air time to spew his BS, much like in the Presidential debates. \nAnd I'm sure the incoming Republican House would have loved to have given him the opportunity",
">\n\nyeah kinda moot at this point , they already made those criminal referrals anyways lol i wish they would have perused charging him for not showing up however but maybe they figured in light of everything they should focus on the key issues and at this point whatever he had to say really doesnt matter anyways as he would just lie. his testimony would pretty much be useless. its still a shame we didnt get to see it just for historys sake lol",
">\n\nAl trump would do is take the 5th like any other ordinary criminal",
">\n\nSo far as things have gone, will it now be ok for Democrats to ignore all the subpoenas that this next R House is going to send around? I’d think so….",
">\n\nOur government has failed us.... Good luck everyone.",
">\n\nAh yes the criminal Justice system, quite possibly the longest running joke in America",
">\n\n& you just know the cheeto will say something like, ha!, they dropped the subpoena cause they knew I am innocent, or some 💩 like that",
">\n\nNo surprise there. Trump is above the law, as he has proven time and again, over and over throughout the last several years. \nI will be surprised if anything comes out of this investigation, at all. \nI will be surprised if the next republican president isn't worse than Trump. \nI mean seriously, how do they convict him of anything if they can't even call him for questioning. Ever heard of anyone, ever, to get convicted of a crime that didn't have to talk to investigators at some point? \nFuck America. Fuck Trump. And fuck the pussy ass people who refuse to do their fucking job.",
">\n\nThey dropped it because it wasn't necessary and would have given him a national platform needlessly. DOJ will pass to the special council which will bring formal charges, if any will be brought.",
">\n\nThis is actually heartbreaking. Seen a lot of politicians and people of note show time and time again that the rules for EVERY CITIZEN don’t apply to them and this stings just a little more",
">\n\nMy theory that he is blackmailing everyone from the White House down with Area 51 malarky is still holding water...",
">\n\nLet us all start committing crimes and see how that goes, this is bs",
">\n\nSuch bs. I knew he would sleeze his way out of any consequences for his actions. This will only embolden him & his lunatic followers. He incites a riot that kills people & gets away with it. If any of us incited a riot, we would still be in jail & if people died during the riot, we would be charged with murder as well. So sick & tired of the double standard when it comes to a president who breaks the law & walks away, just like nixon did.",
">\n\nshould not have dropped\nshould have referred it to doj for contempt of congress...\nwhite rich continue to get a pass for what the rest of us would have long ago been prosecuted and imprisoned...",
">\n\nThey already referred him to DOJ for obstruction of a govt proceeding last week. What are you talking about?",
">\n\nYeah, because why would you want to subpoena the guy who was completely responsible for the entire thing?\nThe Chuck Schumer neoliberals have engineered this to completely let Trump get away with it - because they think the Republicans are still their friends and they don't want to piss them off!",
">\n\nThey subpoenaed trump months ago. He declined to show. Since, investigation is over, they dropped it. This is not even really news worthy.",
">\n\nHalf the people in this thread have no idea what they're talking about and are confusing the subpoena with the criminal referral.",
">\n\nOh, is that what's going on? Lol. I was wondering why ppl are making a big deal about this. This is just the committee cleaning up loose ends.",
">\n\nIt's a big deal if someone who's now a private citizen, can do wtf he wants and ignore a Congressional subpoena.",
">\n\nIt takes votes by congress to hold in contempt. They didn't need trump's testimony. He would just show up and repeat I plead the 5th anyway. Pence ignored his, too. It's pointless to hold them in contempt and get off focus of actual investigation.",
">\n\nYou're proving my point. Congressional Democrats should have enforced the subpoena and made Trump plead the 5th to every question. Imagine if Pence also appeared and pled the 5th to every question. That is political magic for the Democrats, it makes them look guilty as hell.\nTrump committed a crime, and this is America. It should be the same as if I committed a crime. We would get arrested, taken to jail until the morning, see a judge and face our charges, and then either get released on OR, held for trial, or bail set. It's not much of a democracy if laws are not enforced against powerful people.",
">\n\nOnce you all realize this is just a game and you’re the pawn things will make a lot more sense.",
">\n\nNow hear him cry about never getting a chance to testify when he’s charged.",
">\n\nI see this less as a “you’re excused” and more of a “see you in court”",
">\n\nNo need to bother with it when they've already finished their work. The only thing that testimony would have accomplished would have been getting Trump to look bad on national television, and a potential perjury charge. Trump already has embarrassed himself in public in a massive way since then, and they have bigger crimes to recommend to the DOJ for prosecution.",
">\n\nThe moment they announced the subpoena everyone got a hard on that trump would have to talk. I said it then and I’ll say it again, trump will never have to face any punishment and he doesn’t have to comply to any law or rules. They’re all more suggestions instead of laws.",
">\n\nWhat a waste of fucking time",
">\n\nSo......this was a big fat waste of time and money?",
">\n\nI mean they made a criminal referral so, no? The committee wasn’t set up to solely investigate Dolt 45 and took the testimony of over a thousand people, why is it you believe withdrawing one subpoena because the committee is winding down renders the entire process a “waste of time and money.”",
">\n\nNo mention on CNN that they dropped the subpoena after a year of January 6 January 6 January 6 terrible news station",
">\n\nWell, it’s being run by a Republican so go figure",
">\n\nTalk about the wheels of justice turning slow. In this case reversing altogether. Well done.",
">\n\nI wish this surprised me.",
">\n\nLOL God this is so funny\nWhat the fuck did y'all expect if you have money you are above the law. It only applies to the poor and those who step on the toes of capital.",
">\n\nWhat a waste of money",
">\n\n...And a Happy New Year!",
">\n\nClassic",
">\n\nShocking",
">\n\nOur governing body are a bunch of cowards. The US is being safeguarded by self-interested Congresspersons who speak about accountability and act on cowardice.",
">\n\nLet's be honest he'll get away with everything with a slap on the wrist. This country won't prosecute a sitting or former president or high ranking politician, we've seen this over and over. The whole committee is sadly a publicity stunt to gain traction for Democrat's. I hope I'm completely wrong of course and that this country will start to feel like it's a democracy.",
">\n\nThe coup is in effect.",
">\n\nI have a sad feeling this committee is going to end up like a fart in the wind",
">\n\nYou’re not wrong",
">\n\nWtf are you talking about?",
">\n\nHands",
">\n\nWho are you talking to? Lmao",
">\n\nWent out with a whimper. The most Democrat thing ever.\nWish the Dems would learn how to take the gloves off, at least they would have a shot against an opponent that has no problems filling their gloves with lead shot. Then bragging about it.",
">\n\nThe subpoena, and associated contempt charges would be nothing when compared to the recommendations made by the committee to the DOJ. Whether or not the DOJ will act is all that matters at this point.",
">\n\nPathetic pieces of shit",
">\n\nAll theatre, all the time. Seems like by now, to most people, that somehow being trolled by their favorite elected might be possible.",
">\n\nSo wait, he just gets away with everything? Just like that?\nWhat about all the articles saying that Trump will most likely spend the rest of his life in prison?",
">\n\nThe subpoena has nothing to do with the recommendations made by the committee to the DOJ. The ball is in the DOJ’s court. The subpoena doesn’t impact anything. Absurd that he didn’t get held in contempt, but that is more of a distraction than anything.",
">\n\nI see. Thanks for explaining!",
">\n\nCan anyone explain why he was not arrested for not responding to the subpoena? I thought you had to respond to these?",
">\n\nFirst they would have had to vote for contempt. Then they would need to issue a referral to DOJ, then DOJ would need to consider it. That is not happening in a week before the new congress is sworn in an this committee expires. They have issued their report and no longer need to speak to him. That is why it was withdrawn. Their job is done.",
">\n\nSubpoenas are real, or they’re not.\nIn the real world if any person defied or ignored a subpoena they would be arrested immediately.\nWhy are some Americans allowed to break the law in broad daylight.",
">\n\nWhy is the DOJ dragging its feet in charging anyone?",
">\n\nDOJ has charged over 700 people out of January 6 and they continue to charge cases. Most of these cases took months if not years to come to fruition.\nAt the end of the day DOJ has no obligation to act on any of the committee’s referrals, although I believe they already have ongoing investigations as to several of the subjects. If anything new comes out of the committee’s work it’s unlikely to happen soon.",
">\n\nThe US is beyond broken. The wealthy can do whatever they want while we are the only ones who face consequences. I can’t wait to leave this shithole again. I won’t be making the mistake of coming back like I did last year.",
">\n\nSuch a farce",
">\n\nBut he wanted to appear!!",
">\n\nThe walls are closing in.",
">\n\nOk, people. Quit guilt-edging and go home.",
">\n\nWait so what is Trump a dastardly super villain who keeps getting away or a dumb oaf. You guys just can't decide.",
">\n\nI can’t wait until nothing happens!\nHas it happened yet?",
">\n\n“All animals are equal but some animals are more equal than others.” \nHey, do you think Reddit will ever reach a state of Nirvana where it will stop claiming “Trump is really sweating now!”?",
">\n\nDoes this not set some sort of precedence? If I now get subpoenaed for something can I not just point to Trump/Barr/Holder and say “no thank you”?",
">\n\nWithdrawing a subpoena sets no precedent and is not at all uncommon.",
">\n\nThe subpoena was issued quite some time ago wasn’t it? And he just flat refused. Were Barr and Holder’s also withdrawn?",
">\n\nI saw the headline and thought the committee dropped a subpoena the way you drop an album. Then I read the article and saw that they dropped it like you drop an extra filler track from an album.",
">\n\nIt would have been a waste of time anyway. \n\"Mr. Trump, did you tell your supporters that the election was stolen and send your supporters to violently break into the capitol building to stop Joe Biden from becoming president\"? - January 6th Committee \n\"The fifth\"! - Trump\nDOJ do your job to save this nation from tyranny and further destruction!🙏",
">\n\nSurprised pikachu face",
">\n\nBut these are the same people that wanted peaceful blm protestors bathed in their own blood? What point do we all take this into our own hands",
">\n\nOh, wow. This is really bad for you, US. Like ultra super deluxe so very not good.",
">\n\nLmao…\n“ThE WaLLs arE cLoSIng in”",
">\n\nwell duh...\npolitics from the beginning",
">\n\nWhat an absolute joke.",
">\n\nInb4 trump takes this decision and expresses it as: “completely exonerated!!!”",
">\n\nThey don’t need his testimony. As if he would ever go anywhere close to a government building after the committee’s final report. Just let him relax to make it easier to arrest him",
">\n\nfucking why?",
">\n\nIsn’t the rule that if you don’t comply with a congressional subpoena you can be held in contempt and fined or jailed? Can the House sergeant-at-arms arrest the person?"
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"So far Trump's legal strategy of ignoring calls for accountability until Republicans in Congress can bail him out is workingly flawlessly.",
">\n\nThat doesn’t mean the DoJ can’t charge and prosecute. \nRight now everything is in response to republicans getting their slim majority in the house and lessen the damage they will do.\nThat said, they still have the mountain of evidence they did gather",
">\n\nWhat about when the AG/DOJ is a GOP appointee? You don’t think they’ll just put in a Bill Barr type on the entire thing?",
">\n\nNot while they have a democratic president and especially when the previous president lost them the midterms.\nThey were already planning on replacing trump with Desantes by equating the 2 (Martha’s Vineyard was part of that), they’re only gonna lose trying to put their party’s future on the line protect him further.\nThey gonna continue to spread doubt and try to discredit the investigations, but they’re barely holding onto a branch of government, they’re not stupid. Barr only worked because they held onto 2",
">\n\nUmmm that’s not what I meant. If a GOP candidate for President wins in 2024 , what are the actual legal implications. It’s not like it’s below them to interfere like they did with the collusion charges",
">\n\n\nThe House January 6 committee is withdrawing its subpoena of former President Donald Trump as it concludes its work.\n“In light of the imminent end of our investigation, the Select Committee can no longer pursue the specific information covered by the subpoena,” Chairman Bennie Thompson, a Mississippi Democrat, wrote in a letter to Trump’s attorney Wednesday obtained by CNN.\n“Therefore, through this letter, I hereby formally withdraw the subpoena issued to former President Trump, and notify you that he is no longer obligated to comply or produce records in response to said subpoena,” Thompson added.",
">\n\nConclusion: Former president Trump is above the law.",
">\n\nYeah kind of makes me sad. Trump can just ignore a subpoena, with zero consequences. \n“We believe you tried to overthrow the government. You are legally required to come talk to us about it.”\n“No thanks.”\n“Oh. Ok, never mind.”",
">\n\nNo consequences? He's has been referred to the DOJ for obstruction of a govt processing last week. They held a recorded vote.",
">\n\nThat’s not a consequence. It’s kicking the can. Trump will never, ever be held responsible for his role in destroying democracy in America.",
">\n\nThis is not TV or a movie. \"The wheels of justice grind slowly yet exceedingly fine\" is a saying for a reason. Federal investigations usually take years.",
">\n\nHe’s been investigated for years. No consequences. Just special appointments, investigations, and referrals. In the mean time, you know who DOES face consequences?\nAmerica.",
">\n\nYou are judging the end of the movie before it is over.\nThe previous investigations were being done while he had the shield of the presidency and an attorney general running obstruction for him. None of that is true now.",
">\n\nThe GOP will continue fighting on his behalf, because the majority are complicit in 45’s fuckery. Again, no consequences will be had. I’m willing to wager a gift card to your favorite local restaurant that he will live fat, rich, and free until at least the 2024/25 inauguration. Save this post.",
">\n\nWe'll see about that. I'll admit to the loss if thats the case.",
">\n\nMore proof that we the people have no rights in comparison to the billionaire ticks.",
">\n\nDude ain't no billionaire",
">\n\nNo, but his buddies are.",
">\n\nHis puppet masters maybe",
">\n\nI mean, who would have thought not starting the fight sooner would end like this?",
">\n\nDon’t worry. He’s got so many more coming.",
">\n\nThe idea that Trump will pay any price for his crimes is a fantasy.",
">\n\nIt’s actually happening. His company has been found guilty. His charity is closed. His cohorts are about to go to jail. His popularity sagging. Protection is gone. We just need the first indictment.",
">\n\nBut none is him",
">\n\nWell Trump Org is pretty much him but be patient.",
">\n\nDrops in the bucket. \nBeen patient for like 6 years now. How much more we gotta wait?",
">\n\nHe couldn’t be prosecuted while president. Watch GA and the special prosecutor. They’re moving fast.",
">\n\nCouldn't be?\nShould have been.",
">\n\nThat’s absolutely wild that any man is able to just straight up ignore a subpoena with zero consequences. Definition of “above the law”. If he gets away with this, he is going to be more dangerous than ever. You get away with leading a coup/insurrection, you’re going to assume you can get away with literally anything. \nMaybe trump was right… he really could shoot someone in the middle of 5th avenue and not lose any voters…and also probably not even get in trouble",
">\n\nSerious questions...so the committee pull the subpoena, but it's up to DOJ for any additional follow up, but when the new congress is in session they can tell DOJ to drop everything? Is that how's its going to go down? Because I thought DOJ is supposed to be independent once given the committee's findings?",
">\n\nThe DOJ is certainly independent of Congress. As for the committee - the only thing they would've done differently was vote on a criminal referral for contempt of Congress. Although there is some truth to congressional contempt needing to stem from congress, The DOJ has no obligation to act on a referral - it is more akin to a recommendation.\nWith that being said, the committee knew it wasn't going to serve any real benefit, so they decided not to.\n\nThe DOJ decided not to prosecute Meadows and Scavino for contempt due to their close ties to the executive. This pretty much ruled out any chance of it happening to Trump, a former President. \nEven a completely successful referral (Steve Bannon) showed how inconsequential Congressional subpoena power is. For one, it is a misdemeanor. It has been ~15 months since Bannon was referred, and he was found guilty and sentenced, and he is still a free man pending appeal. And even if upheld, it's only 4 months in prison as just shy of maximum sentencing guidelines. \nThe DOJ, if they prosecute, are aiming at much bigger crimes - notably Obstruction of an Official Proceeding, which carries up to 20 years. And they'd be potentially trying these crimes in the same jurisdiction.\n\nSo I'm sure the calculation was that it just wasn't worth throwing a referral at the DOJ for something they'd never follow up on, and wouldn't be much benefit if they did.",
">\n\nIn summary, he’s committed so many crimes that this one isn’t worth any effort",
">\n\nEssentially, yeah. The DOJ has two big chances to secure a conviction: Mar-A-Lago and Jan. 6 - and they will likely bring multiple charges in a D.C. court if they decide to prosecute. Mar-A-Lago will come first, which has virtually nothing to do with this committee's work.\nReferring a misdemeanor to tack onto 4 serious felonies they referred probably only risked muddying the larger offenses. Can't blame them honestly.",
">\n\nWhat is “Mar a Lago” in this context! The tax scheme? Classified documents?",
">\n\nThe classified documents",
">\n\nSmall point but they weren't all classified and don't need to be, for what he did to be illegal. Just trying to avoid republican framing.",
">\n\nHillary was not afraid to testify every time she was asked (and testified for hours and hours each time, answering all questions asked) and never took the 5th. Yet republicans act like she is the criminal when it always has been trump.",
">\n\nEven if she was wrong she was smarter than any of the R in the room. That woman was a machine during those hearings and gave them nothing to work with.",
">\n\nShe is definitely smarter than that barrel of monkeys who questioned her, but ultimately, there was nothing to get from her - the perfect opposite case of crimey benedict donald and his co-conspirators.",
">\n\nIt's interesting to see that people think this subpoena would have continued to exist past Jan 3, 2023 given that that's when ALL open subpoenas from the outgoing congress expire and become null and void. Even if the J6 committee continued to exist- they would be required to file a brand new one in the new session.",
">\n\nIt wouldn't be that hard to file a brand new subpoena, they have lawyers who work full-time for them. That isn't an obstacle.",
">\n\nExcept for the committee doesn't exist in the new Congress and they have no powers to do anything if they don't exist.",
">\n\nIt's easy to get the two confused a lot of times.",
">\n\nHow many of y'all actually thought he wasn't going to run out the clock? \nNothing will fundamentally change.",
">\n\nNobody. The “justice takes time” chorus that dominated the narrative was only here to quell social unrest so society didn’t take a dive while the rich mocked us from their golden pedestals.",
">\n\nSerious question: Why? So what if the Dems lose power in the Congress. Let the Republicans be the one to formally dismantle the committee and subpoena on record. Then when hopefully Trump is charged by the DOJ, dems have another talking point for 2024 that the Republicans hate law and order and protect mob bosses.",
">\n\nThe select committee expires at the end of the congressional session. So they do not need to question him because the committee will not exist.",
">\n\nBut what is the point of formally withdrawing the subpoena? What does it accomplish?",
">\n\nThe committee is over. They have issued the report, they are closing up shop. They are following the process. A secondary part of the committees job was to show how a REAL congressional hearing should be handled. None of that sloppy ass grandstanding they did for Benghazi",
">\n\nMy viewpoint is that Trump and the GOP are just going to use this as “proof” that he did nothing wrong. Remember how the Mueller report “exonerated” Trump? His base believes this shit wholeheartedly and I guarantee he will use this as “evidence” for his innocence.\nShowing how things SHOULD be handled instead of taking whatever measures needed to protect Americans lead to Jan 6th happening in the first place. We all know how things should be handled, how the rules should work, but one side is willing to do whatever they need to keep power and the other is getting walked over.\nIs taking the high road worth letting fascism into our government?",
">\n\nIt’s good to know that republicans are allowed to ignore subpoenas. That’s useful info for them. Don’t expect dems to get that treatment",
">\n\nThey dropped the ball in not issuing one a couple of months ago",
">\n\nActually the Democrats have done everything not to ever pick up the ball even once. They let trump appointed republicans appoint a republican special counsel to fall like a straw man to blatant obstruction in the Russia probe. They turned it into a fundraiser for campaigning. \nThis time they let liz Cheney take the reins, who was able to preserve her republican prerogatives throughout this entire ordeal. \nThe fact is that you're all being cucked by forces of controlled opposition and I'm apparently the only one in the world who can't be so easily mitigated.\nI can't depend on any of you anymore than you can depend on yourselves.",
">\n\nYou lost all credibility at the end when you said cuck and act like you’re the smartest person in the world. Be gone!",
">\n\nYeah, I don't know how anyone can be expected to be taken seriously using that whole sentence unironically.",
">\n\nI don't expect to be taken seriously whether I say it or not, yet the facts remain as I've described.",
">\n\nI didn’t see that coming, said absolutely no one.",
">\n\nWhy.",
">\n\nHUGE mistake. The committee will be dissolved by the GOPers in a couple weeks, and all this did was to give the Marmalade Moses another fake victory to rile up his lemmings.",
">\n\nIt’s funny because I say the same thing every time about trump never getting charged and I always get shit about it like BUT NO THIS TIME IS DIFFERENT. \nLmao right. Sure it is.",
">\n\nFucking same. This is just more “ammo” for his orange, shit spewing mouth.",
">\n\nThis guy is still getting more media coverage than the current potus two years into his term. Crazy.",
">\n\nIt does blow that he wasn't forced to comply with the subpoena but for people thinking what a bummer this seems like, the house is switching to a republican majority in like a week so it didn't make a whole lot of sense to leave an active subpoena on record knowing it would never be resolved. They likely knew he wasn't going to comply when it was issued only now its offical that it was officially issued, ignored by trump, and terminated. Who knows if the DOJ will eventually file but everyone pretty much already knew that little temper tantrum trump wasn't going to aid in his own house sedition investigation.",
">\n\nIf we restrict ourselves to the issue of compliance with a subpoena from this committee, then the recent election clearly mooted every aspect of penalties or consequences related to ignoring the subpoena.\nIt's like a big brother was called over and little bro wanted him to force his adversary to bow and kiss the ground. But by the time big bro finally wanders over, the kid goes \"nah... we're good.\"\nA lot of folk like to believe contempt of court or contempt of congress is like any other crime where you do the deed and have to face the punishment. But, in general, these things do not work like crimes. Even where contempt has been codified such that there is a criminal contempt aspect, the goal remains to seek or to force compliance. This leads to \"punishments\" which are better or worse depending on how you view things. A simple view is that you could be \"sentenced\" to indefinite incarceration because it's a \"jailed until compliance\" thing.\nIn this case, Congress has been very, very reticent to try to use their inherent power to jail someone. So the most they ever do these days is refer the case to the DoJ to pursue criminal contempt of congress.\nAll in all, is this a \"good\" thing? Maybe it's not as bad as we feel it to be. Imagine any sort of argument where someone demands you do something. You retort \"are you sure?\" Bystanders urge folk cool down and think about it. Map that into the way Congress changes every two years and you get a sense that unless something is important enough that it remains after the public alters the composition of the legislative branch, maybe it's not all that important (to the public) after all.\nOn the other hand, why would anyone fear Congress when they demonstrate time and again there never really are any consequences for refusal to comply with subpoenas? But... do we want to quake in fear whenever some nutjob party gains control and enacts something as dire as the Committee on Unamerican Activities?",
">\n\nWhat is the advantage of dropping the subpoena, as opposed to just letting it expire/letting the new congress withdraw it? Why go on record saying he no longer has to come in? I get that he was never going to show, I’m just curious why this is better than the alternative.",
">\n\nI’m wondering this too. There has to be a good reason.",
">\n\n?? Why, like it had no power, but still why? This looks like weakness",
">\n\nThe subpoena expires when the new congress is sworn in on Jan 3rd. There was no practical way to enforce it.",
">\n\nWhy not just let it expire?\nNow Republicans have a talking point that the January 6th Committee withdrew their subpoena.\nThey'll use it to muddy the waters and spread more misinformation.",
">\n\nThey already had their talking points. They've had them the whole time. They already released a \"counter report\" to the J6 committee. The committee withdrew it because they are closing up shop. The report is out. Where would Donnie's answers go?",
">\n\nWhy was he not charged with contempt for no show? Once again, he gets let off for bad behaviour",
">\n\nBecause they referred him for 4 much more serious crimes with longer sentences. Referring him for this is essentially pointless.",
">\n\nYes, but i see it as another nail in the coffin, and also sends a message that subpoenas are not to be ignored",
">\n\nImagine if you or I tried to just ignore a subpoena.",
">\n\nIt’s OK if you’re a Republican, as the war criminal’s daughter who voted in line with Trump’s policies during her House tenure can attest.",
">\n\nAnother instance of unequal justice under the law, imo. If you or I disregarded a subpoena from Congress we'd be going to jail...like Steve Bannon.",
">\n\nDrag it out, do nothing, repeat. Glad the J6 group produced a ton of info and exposed a lot of the bs but what's the point of nothing really happens? Media circus? I'm so tired.",
">\n\nGreat precedent. It's good to know if I'm ever subpoenaed by congress I can just ignore it.",
">\n\nJ6 knew he'd puss out and just wanted to get it on the record. And for the same reason they haven't gone after Meadows for ignoring his subpoena, are all of the other serious crimes hanging over him and the orange Traitor in Chief, especially now, the subpoenas aren't worth the time and effort.",
">\n\n\nAnd for the same reason they haven't gone after Meadows for ignoring his subpoena\n\nTo be fair... the House voted him in criminal contempt and sent the referral to that to the DoJ. There wasn't really anything they could do beyond that with respect to his subpoena (yes, inherent contempt in theory exists, in practice it would have been useless for multiple reasons).\nMeadows is also included in the big criminal referrals the committee issued as part of their report as well.",
">\n\nAs usual, this country’s justice system is a joke",
">\n\nThis was a subpoena issued by the congress, not DOJ. He would be arrested if this was subpoena by DOJ and he didn’t show.",
">\n\nLike I said lol this country’s justice system is a joke",
">\n\nBut the justice system has not been involved yet!!! Congressional hearing is not an example of the justice system. The congress has referred the case to the DOJ or “the justice system” as a result of their hearing. DOJ will pursue a criminal investigation and pursue charges. \nJudiciary (justice system as you call it), congress, and executive branches are constitutionally separate and independent to ensure checks and balances.\nJustice system in the US is not ideal, but this specific instance is not an example of these inefficiencies. This is an example of how the congress has been ineffective in doing their legislative actions. In this instance the correct statement would be “Legislative system in this country is a joke.” Justice system has not had a chance to show its incompetence yet. That will be next.",
">\n\nNaive of you to think this is anything more than a show they’re putting on. Nothing will come of it, democrats are by nature pussies let’s be real. None have any teeth or claws. The right is full of a bunch of tribalistic monkeys, party is apparently more important than country. I guess I can rephrase, besides making money and being the best business in the world, America is a joke.",
">\n\n\"OMG. I'm so outraged by this even though I have no idea why.\"\nIt'd be nice if you guys learned the difference between the subpoena and the criminal referral. trump was never going to show up for the subpoena especially since the GOP is about to take control. It's a completely moot point.",
">\n\nExactly. The committee already referred him to the DoJ on criminal charges. Everyone is acting like they're just taking their ball and going home. They already went well and beyond a mere subpoena here, and one of the charges that they're recommending is obstruction already.",
">\n\nAren’t subpoenas mandatory with consequences? Either you show up or go to jail. Trump did neither.",
">\n\nNot if you are rich. Laws are you only for the the lower 90%",
">\n\nThis is such bullshit.",
">\n\nAnother precedent set for rich criminals to not comply. If we citizens didn’t show we’d be at a black site with electrodes on our genitals.",
">\n\nThey should have charged Trump with contempt of Congress.",
">\n\nSo whens the next uprising on behalf of rich people? Just be sure you're actually a political player because if you're just a worker you'll be charged. Chess has really changed over the past hundred years.",
">\n\nTotally expected. \nTrump, the really TV star, said he'd only agree to answer the subpoena if it were live & televised. It's quite obvious the reason is that he'd ignore the questioning & use the free air time to spew his BS, much like in the Presidential debates. \nAnd I'm sure the incoming Republican House would have loved to have given him the opportunity",
">\n\nyeah kinda moot at this point , they already made those criminal referrals anyways lol i wish they would have perused charging him for not showing up however but maybe they figured in light of everything they should focus on the key issues and at this point whatever he had to say really doesnt matter anyways as he would just lie. his testimony would pretty much be useless. its still a shame we didnt get to see it just for historys sake lol",
">\n\nAl trump would do is take the 5th like any other ordinary criminal",
">\n\nSo far as things have gone, will it now be ok for Democrats to ignore all the subpoenas that this next R House is going to send around? I’d think so….",
">\n\nOur government has failed us.... Good luck everyone.",
">\n\nAh yes the criminal Justice system, quite possibly the longest running joke in America",
">\n\n& you just know the cheeto will say something like, ha!, they dropped the subpoena cause they knew I am innocent, or some 💩 like that",
">\n\nNo surprise there. Trump is above the law, as he has proven time and again, over and over throughout the last several years. \nI will be surprised if anything comes out of this investigation, at all. \nI will be surprised if the next republican president isn't worse than Trump. \nI mean seriously, how do they convict him of anything if they can't even call him for questioning. Ever heard of anyone, ever, to get convicted of a crime that didn't have to talk to investigators at some point? \nFuck America. Fuck Trump. And fuck the pussy ass people who refuse to do their fucking job.",
">\n\nThey dropped it because it wasn't necessary and would have given him a national platform needlessly. DOJ will pass to the special council which will bring formal charges, if any will be brought.",
">\n\nThis is actually heartbreaking. Seen a lot of politicians and people of note show time and time again that the rules for EVERY CITIZEN don’t apply to them and this stings just a little more",
">\n\nMy theory that he is blackmailing everyone from the White House down with Area 51 malarky is still holding water...",
">\n\nLet us all start committing crimes and see how that goes, this is bs",
">\n\nSuch bs. I knew he would sleeze his way out of any consequences for his actions. This will only embolden him & his lunatic followers. He incites a riot that kills people & gets away with it. If any of us incited a riot, we would still be in jail & if people died during the riot, we would be charged with murder as well. So sick & tired of the double standard when it comes to a president who breaks the law & walks away, just like nixon did.",
">\n\nshould not have dropped\nshould have referred it to doj for contempt of congress...\nwhite rich continue to get a pass for what the rest of us would have long ago been prosecuted and imprisoned...",
">\n\nThey already referred him to DOJ for obstruction of a govt proceeding last week. What are you talking about?",
">\n\nYeah, because why would you want to subpoena the guy who was completely responsible for the entire thing?\nThe Chuck Schumer neoliberals have engineered this to completely let Trump get away with it - because they think the Republicans are still their friends and they don't want to piss them off!",
">\n\nThey subpoenaed trump months ago. He declined to show. Since, investigation is over, they dropped it. This is not even really news worthy.",
">\n\nHalf the people in this thread have no idea what they're talking about and are confusing the subpoena with the criminal referral.",
">\n\nOh, is that what's going on? Lol. I was wondering why ppl are making a big deal about this. This is just the committee cleaning up loose ends.",
">\n\nIt's a big deal if someone who's now a private citizen, can do wtf he wants and ignore a Congressional subpoena.",
">\n\nIt takes votes by congress to hold in contempt. They didn't need trump's testimony. He would just show up and repeat I plead the 5th anyway. Pence ignored his, too. It's pointless to hold them in contempt and get off focus of actual investigation.",
">\n\nYou're proving my point. Congressional Democrats should have enforced the subpoena and made Trump plead the 5th to every question. Imagine if Pence also appeared and pled the 5th to every question. That is political magic for the Democrats, it makes them look guilty as hell.\nTrump committed a crime, and this is America. It should be the same as if I committed a crime. We would get arrested, taken to jail until the morning, see a judge and face our charges, and then either get released on OR, held for trial, or bail set. It's not much of a democracy if laws are not enforced against powerful people.",
">\n\nOnce you all realize this is just a game and you’re the pawn things will make a lot more sense.",
">\n\nNow hear him cry about never getting a chance to testify when he’s charged.",
">\n\nI see this less as a “you’re excused” and more of a “see you in court”",
">\n\nNo need to bother with it when they've already finished their work. The only thing that testimony would have accomplished would have been getting Trump to look bad on national television, and a potential perjury charge. Trump already has embarrassed himself in public in a massive way since then, and they have bigger crimes to recommend to the DOJ for prosecution.",
">\n\nThe moment they announced the subpoena everyone got a hard on that trump would have to talk. I said it then and I’ll say it again, trump will never have to face any punishment and he doesn’t have to comply to any law or rules. They’re all more suggestions instead of laws.",
">\n\nWhat a waste of fucking time",
">\n\nSo......this was a big fat waste of time and money?",
">\n\nI mean they made a criminal referral so, no? The committee wasn’t set up to solely investigate Dolt 45 and took the testimony of over a thousand people, why is it you believe withdrawing one subpoena because the committee is winding down renders the entire process a “waste of time and money.”",
">\n\nNo mention on CNN that they dropped the subpoena after a year of January 6 January 6 January 6 terrible news station",
">\n\nWell, it’s being run by a Republican so go figure",
">\n\nTalk about the wheels of justice turning slow. In this case reversing altogether. Well done.",
">\n\nI wish this surprised me.",
">\n\nLOL God this is so funny\nWhat the fuck did y'all expect if you have money you are above the law. It only applies to the poor and those who step on the toes of capital.",
">\n\nWhat a waste of money",
">\n\n...And a Happy New Year!",
">\n\nClassic",
">\n\nShocking",
">\n\nOur governing body are a bunch of cowards. The US is being safeguarded by self-interested Congresspersons who speak about accountability and act on cowardice.",
">\n\nLet's be honest he'll get away with everything with a slap on the wrist. This country won't prosecute a sitting or former president or high ranking politician, we've seen this over and over. The whole committee is sadly a publicity stunt to gain traction for Democrat's. I hope I'm completely wrong of course and that this country will start to feel like it's a democracy.",
">\n\nThe coup is in effect.",
">\n\nI have a sad feeling this committee is going to end up like a fart in the wind",
">\n\nYou’re not wrong",
">\n\nWtf are you talking about?",
">\n\nHands",
">\n\nWho are you talking to? Lmao",
">\n\nWent out with a whimper. The most Democrat thing ever.\nWish the Dems would learn how to take the gloves off, at least they would have a shot against an opponent that has no problems filling their gloves with lead shot. Then bragging about it.",
">\n\nThe subpoena, and associated contempt charges would be nothing when compared to the recommendations made by the committee to the DOJ. Whether or not the DOJ will act is all that matters at this point.",
">\n\nPathetic pieces of shit",
">\n\nAll theatre, all the time. Seems like by now, to most people, that somehow being trolled by their favorite elected might be possible.",
">\n\nSo wait, he just gets away with everything? Just like that?\nWhat about all the articles saying that Trump will most likely spend the rest of his life in prison?",
">\n\nThe subpoena has nothing to do with the recommendations made by the committee to the DOJ. The ball is in the DOJ’s court. The subpoena doesn’t impact anything. Absurd that he didn’t get held in contempt, but that is more of a distraction than anything.",
">\n\nI see. Thanks for explaining!",
">\n\nCan anyone explain why he was not arrested for not responding to the subpoena? I thought you had to respond to these?",
">\n\nFirst they would have had to vote for contempt. Then they would need to issue a referral to DOJ, then DOJ would need to consider it. That is not happening in a week before the new congress is sworn in an this committee expires. They have issued their report and no longer need to speak to him. That is why it was withdrawn. Their job is done.",
">\n\nSubpoenas are real, or they’re not.\nIn the real world if any person defied or ignored a subpoena they would be arrested immediately.\nWhy are some Americans allowed to break the law in broad daylight.",
">\n\nWhy is the DOJ dragging its feet in charging anyone?",
">\n\nDOJ has charged over 700 people out of January 6 and they continue to charge cases. Most of these cases took months if not years to come to fruition.\nAt the end of the day DOJ has no obligation to act on any of the committee’s referrals, although I believe they already have ongoing investigations as to several of the subjects. If anything new comes out of the committee’s work it’s unlikely to happen soon.",
">\n\nThe US is beyond broken. The wealthy can do whatever they want while we are the only ones who face consequences. I can’t wait to leave this shithole again. I won’t be making the mistake of coming back like I did last year.",
">\n\nSuch a farce",
">\n\nBut he wanted to appear!!",
">\n\nThe walls are closing in.",
">\n\nOk, people. Quit guilt-edging and go home.",
">\n\nWait so what is Trump a dastardly super villain who keeps getting away or a dumb oaf. You guys just can't decide.",
">\n\nI can’t wait until nothing happens!\nHas it happened yet?",
">\n\n“All animals are equal but some animals are more equal than others.” \nHey, do you think Reddit will ever reach a state of Nirvana where it will stop claiming “Trump is really sweating now!”?",
">\n\nDoes this not set some sort of precedence? If I now get subpoenaed for something can I not just point to Trump/Barr/Holder and say “no thank you”?",
">\n\nWithdrawing a subpoena sets no precedent and is not at all uncommon.",
">\n\nThe subpoena was issued quite some time ago wasn’t it? And he just flat refused. Were Barr and Holder’s also withdrawn?",
">\n\nI saw the headline and thought the committee dropped a subpoena the way you drop an album. Then I read the article and saw that they dropped it like you drop an extra filler track from an album.",
">\n\nIt would have been a waste of time anyway. \n\"Mr. Trump, did you tell your supporters that the election was stolen and send your supporters to violently break into the capitol building to stop Joe Biden from becoming president\"? - January 6th Committee \n\"The fifth\"! - Trump\nDOJ do your job to save this nation from tyranny and further destruction!🙏",
">\n\nSurprised pikachu face",
">\n\nBut these are the same people that wanted peaceful blm protestors bathed in their own blood? What point do we all take this into our own hands",
">\n\nOh, wow. This is really bad for you, US. Like ultra super deluxe so very not good.",
">\n\nLmao…\n“ThE WaLLs arE cLoSIng in”",
">\n\nwell duh...\npolitics from the beginning",
">\n\nWhat an absolute joke.",
">\n\nInb4 trump takes this decision and expresses it as: “completely exonerated!!!”",
">\n\nThey don’t need his testimony. As if he would ever go anywhere close to a government building after the committee’s final report. Just let him relax to make it easier to arrest him",
">\n\nfucking why?",
">\n\nIsn’t the rule that if you don’t comply with a congressional subpoena you can be held in contempt and fined or jailed? Can the House sergeant-at-arms arrest the person?",
">\n\nWow, naw fuck this."
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"So far Trump's legal strategy of ignoring calls for accountability until Republicans in Congress can bail him out is workingly flawlessly.",
">\n\nThat doesn’t mean the DoJ can’t charge and prosecute. \nRight now everything is in response to republicans getting their slim majority in the house and lessen the damage they will do.\nThat said, they still have the mountain of evidence they did gather",
">\n\nWhat about when the AG/DOJ is a GOP appointee? You don’t think they’ll just put in a Bill Barr type on the entire thing?",
">\n\nNot while they have a democratic president and especially when the previous president lost them the midterms.\nThey were already planning on replacing trump with Desantes by equating the 2 (Martha’s Vineyard was part of that), they’re only gonna lose trying to put their party’s future on the line protect him further.\nThey gonna continue to spread doubt and try to discredit the investigations, but they’re barely holding onto a branch of government, they’re not stupid. Barr only worked because they held onto 2",
">\n\nUmmm that’s not what I meant. If a GOP candidate for President wins in 2024 , what are the actual legal implications. It’s not like it’s below them to interfere like they did with the collusion charges",
">\n\n\nThe House January 6 committee is withdrawing its subpoena of former President Donald Trump as it concludes its work.\n“In light of the imminent end of our investigation, the Select Committee can no longer pursue the specific information covered by the subpoena,” Chairman Bennie Thompson, a Mississippi Democrat, wrote in a letter to Trump’s attorney Wednesday obtained by CNN.\n“Therefore, through this letter, I hereby formally withdraw the subpoena issued to former President Trump, and notify you that he is no longer obligated to comply or produce records in response to said subpoena,” Thompson added.",
">\n\nConclusion: Former president Trump is above the law.",
">\n\nYeah kind of makes me sad. Trump can just ignore a subpoena, with zero consequences. \n“We believe you tried to overthrow the government. You are legally required to come talk to us about it.”\n“No thanks.”\n“Oh. Ok, never mind.”",
">\n\nNo consequences? He's has been referred to the DOJ for obstruction of a govt processing last week. They held a recorded vote.",
">\n\nThat’s not a consequence. It’s kicking the can. Trump will never, ever be held responsible for his role in destroying democracy in America.",
">\n\nThis is not TV or a movie. \"The wheels of justice grind slowly yet exceedingly fine\" is a saying for a reason. Federal investigations usually take years.",
">\n\nHe’s been investigated for years. No consequences. Just special appointments, investigations, and referrals. In the mean time, you know who DOES face consequences?\nAmerica.",
">\n\nYou are judging the end of the movie before it is over.\nThe previous investigations were being done while he had the shield of the presidency and an attorney general running obstruction for him. None of that is true now.",
">\n\nThe GOP will continue fighting on his behalf, because the majority are complicit in 45’s fuckery. Again, no consequences will be had. I’m willing to wager a gift card to your favorite local restaurant that he will live fat, rich, and free until at least the 2024/25 inauguration. Save this post.",
">\n\nWe'll see about that. I'll admit to the loss if thats the case.",
">\n\nMore proof that we the people have no rights in comparison to the billionaire ticks.",
">\n\nDude ain't no billionaire",
">\n\nNo, but his buddies are.",
">\n\nHis puppet masters maybe",
">\n\nI mean, who would have thought not starting the fight sooner would end like this?",
">\n\nDon’t worry. He’s got so many more coming.",
">\n\nThe idea that Trump will pay any price for his crimes is a fantasy.",
">\n\nIt’s actually happening. His company has been found guilty. His charity is closed. His cohorts are about to go to jail. His popularity sagging. Protection is gone. We just need the first indictment.",
">\n\nBut none is him",
">\n\nWell Trump Org is pretty much him but be patient.",
">\n\nDrops in the bucket. \nBeen patient for like 6 years now. How much more we gotta wait?",
">\n\nHe couldn’t be prosecuted while president. Watch GA and the special prosecutor. They’re moving fast.",
">\n\nCouldn't be?\nShould have been.",
">\n\nThat’s absolutely wild that any man is able to just straight up ignore a subpoena with zero consequences. Definition of “above the law”. If he gets away with this, he is going to be more dangerous than ever. You get away with leading a coup/insurrection, you’re going to assume you can get away with literally anything. \nMaybe trump was right… he really could shoot someone in the middle of 5th avenue and not lose any voters…and also probably not even get in trouble",
">\n\nSerious questions...so the committee pull the subpoena, but it's up to DOJ for any additional follow up, but when the new congress is in session they can tell DOJ to drop everything? Is that how's its going to go down? Because I thought DOJ is supposed to be independent once given the committee's findings?",
">\n\nThe DOJ is certainly independent of Congress. As for the committee - the only thing they would've done differently was vote on a criminal referral for contempt of Congress. Although there is some truth to congressional contempt needing to stem from congress, The DOJ has no obligation to act on a referral - it is more akin to a recommendation.\nWith that being said, the committee knew it wasn't going to serve any real benefit, so they decided not to.\n\nThe DOJ decided not to prosecute Meadows and Scavino for contempt due to their close ties to the executive. This pretty much ruled out any chance of it happening to Trump, a former President. \nEven a completely successful referral (Steve Bannon) showed how inconsequential Congressional subpoena power is. For one, it is a misdemeanor. It has been ~15 months since Bannon was referred, and he was found guilty and sentenced, and he is still a free man pending appeal. And even if upheld, it's only 4 months in prison as just shy of maximum sentencing guidelines. \nThe DOJ, if they prosecute, are aiming at much bigger crimes - notably Obstruction of an Official Proceeding, which carries up to 20 years. And they'd be potentially trying these crimes in the same jurisdiction.\n\nSo I'm sure the calculation was that it just wasn't worth throwing a referral at the DOJ for something they'd never follow up on, and wouldn't be much benefit if they did.",
">\n\nIn summary, he’s committed so many crimes that this one isn’t worth any effort",
">\n\nEssentially, yeah. The DOJ has two big chances to secure a conviction: Mar-A-Lago and Jan. 6 - and they will likely bring multiple charges in a D.C. court if they decide to prosecute. Mar-A-Lago will come first, which has virtually nothing to do with this committee's work.\nReferring a misdemeanor to tack onto 4 serious felonies they referred probably only risked muddying the larger offenses. Can't blame them honestly.",
">\n\nWhat is “Mar a Lago” in this context! The tax scheme? Classified documents?",
">\n\nThe classified documents",
">\n\nSmall point but they weren't all classified and don't need to be, for what he did to be illegal. Just trying to avoid republican framing.",
">\n\nHillary was not afraid to testify every time she was asked (and testified for hours and hours each time, answering all questions asked) and never took the 5th. Yet republicans act like she is the criminal when it always has been trump.",
">\n\nEven if she was wrong she was smarter than any of the R in the room. That woman was a machine during those hearings and gave them nothing to work with.",
">\n\nShe is definitely smarter than that barrel of monkeys who questioned her, but ultimately, there was nothing to get from her - the perfect opposite case of crimey benedict donald and his co-conspirators.",
">\n\nIt's interesting to see that people think this subpoena would have continued to exist past Jan 3, 2023 given that that's when ALL open subpoenas from the outgoing congress expire and become null and void. Even if the J6 committee continued to exist- they would be required to file a brand new one in the new session.",
">\n\nIt wouldn't be that hard to file a brand new subpoena, they have lawyers who work full-time for them. That isn't an obstacle.",
">\n\nExcept for the committee doesn't exist in the new Congress and they have no powers to do anything if they don't exist.",
">\n\nIt's easy to get the two confused a lot of times.",
">\n\nHow many of y'all actually thought he wasn't going to run out the clock? \nNothing will fundamentally change.",
">\n\nNobody. The “justice takes time” chorus that dominated the narrative was only here to quell social unrest so society didn’t take a dive while the rich mocked us from their golden pedestals.",
">\n\nSerious question: Why? So what if the Dems lose power in the Congress. Let the Republicans be the one to formally dismantle the committee and subpoena on record. Then when hopefully Trump is charged by the DOJ, dems have another talking point for 2024 that the Republicans hate law and order and protect mob bosses.",
">\n\nThe select committee expires at the end of the congressional session. So they do not need to question him because the committee will not exist.",
">\n\nBut what is the point of formally withdrawing the subpoena? What does it accomplish?",
">\n\nThe committee is over. They have issued the report, they are closing up shop. They are following the process. A secondary part of the committees job was to show how a REAL congressional hearing should be handled. None of that sloppy ass grandstanding they did for Benghazi",
">\n\nMy viewpoint is that Trump and the GOP are just going to use this as “proof” that he did nothing wrong. Remember how the Mueller report “exonerated” Trump? His base believes this shit wholeheartedly and I guarantee he will use this as “evidence” for his innocence.\nShowing how things SHOULD be handled instead of taking whatever measures needed to protect Americans lead to Jan 6th happening in the first place. We all know how things should be handled, how the rules should work, but one side is willing to do whatever they need to keep power and the other is getting walked over.\nIs taking the high road worth letting fascism into our government?",
">\n\nIt’s good to know that republicans are allowed to ignore subpoenas. That’s useful info for them. Don’t expect dems to get that treatment",
">\n\nThey dropped the ball in not issuing one a couple of months ago",
">\n\nActually the Democrats have done everything not to ever pick up the ball even once. They let trump appointed republicans appoint a republican special counsel to fall like a straw man to blatant obstruction in the Russia probe. They turned it into a fundraiser for campaigning. \nThis time they let liz Cheney take the reins, who was able to preserve her republican prerogatives throughout this entire ordeal. \nThe fact is that you're all being cucked by forces of controlled opposition and I'm apparently the only one in the world who can't be so easily mitigated.\nI can't depend on any of you anymore than you can depend on yourselves.",
">\n\nYou lost all credibility at the end when you said cuck and act like you’re the smartest person in the world. Be gone!",
">\n\nYeah, I don't know how anyone can be expected to be taken seriously using that whole sentence unironically.",
">\n\nI don't expect to be taken seriously whether I say it or not, yet the facts remain as I've described.",
">\n\nI didn’t see that coming, said absolutely no one.",
">\n\nWhy.",
">\n\nHUGE mistake. The committee will be dissolved by the GOPers in a couple weeks, and all this did was to give the Marmalade Moses another fake victory to rile up his lemmings.",
">\n\nIt’s funny because I say the same thing every time about trump never getting charged and I always get shit about it like BUT NO THIS TIME IS DIFFERENT. \nLmao right. Sure it is.",
">\n\nFucking same. This is just more “ammo” for his orange, shit spewing mouth.",
">\n\nThis guy is still getting more media coverage than the current potus two years into his term. Crazy.",
">\n\nIt does blow that he wasn't forced to comply with the subpoena but for people thinking what a bummer this seems like, the house is switching to a republican majority in like a week so it didn't make a whole lot of sense to leave an active subpoena on record knowing it would never be resolved. They likely knew he wasn't going to comply when it was issued only now its offical that it was officially issued, ignored by trump, and terminated. Who knows if the DOJ will eventually file but everyone pretty much already knew that little temper tantrum trump wasn't going to aid in his own house sedition investigation.",
">\n\nIf we restrict ourselves to the issue of compliance with a subpoena from this committee, then the recent election clearly mooted every aspect of penalties or consequences related to ignoring the subpoena.\nIt's like a big brother was called over and little bro wanted him to force his adversary to bow and kiss the ground. But by the time big bro finally wanders over, the kid goes \"nah... we're good.\"\nA lot of folk like to believe contempt of court or contempt of congress is like any other crime where you do the deed and have to face the punishment. But, in general, these things do not work like crimes. Even where contempt has been codified such that there is a criminal contempt aspect, the goal remains to seek or to force compliance. This leads to \"punishments\" which are better or worse depending on how you view things. A simple view is that you could be \"sentenced\" to indefinite incarceration because it's a \"jailed until compliance\" thing.\nIn this case, Congress has been very, very reticent to try to use their inherent power to jail someone. So the most they ever do these days is refer the case to the DoJ to pursue criminal contempt of congress.\nAll in all, is this a \"good\" thing? Maybe it's not as bad as we feel it to be. Imagine any sort of argument where someone demands you do something. You retort \"are you sure?\" Bystanders urge folk cool down and think about it. Map that into the way Congress changes every two years and you get a sense that unless something is important enough that it remains after the public alters the composition of the legislative branch, maybe it's not all that important (to the public) after all.\nOn the other hand, why would anyone fear Congress when they demonstrate time and again there never really are any consequences for refusal to comply with subpoenas? But... do we want to quake in fear whenever some nutjob party gains control and enacts something as dire as the Committee on Unamerican Activities?",
">\n\nWhat is the advantage of dropping the subpoena, as opposed to just letting it expire/letting the new congress withdraw it? Why go on record saying he no longer has to come in? I get that he was never going to show, I’m just curious why this is better than the alternative.",
">\n\nI’m wondering this too. There has to be a good reason.",
">\n\n?? Why, like it had no power, but still why? This looks like weakness",
">\n\nThe subpoena expires when the new congress is sworn in on Jan 3rd. There was no practical way to enforce it.",
">\n\nWhy not just let it expire?\nNow Republicans have a talking point that the January 6th Committee withdrew their subpoena.\nThey'll use it to muddy the waters and spread more misinformation.",
">\n\nThey already had their talking points. They've had them the whole time. They already released a \"counter report\" to the J6 committee. The committee withdrew it because they are closing up shop. The report is out. Where would Donnie's answers go?",
">\n\nWhy was he not charged with contempt for no show? Once again, he gets let off for bad behaviour",
">\n\nBecause they referred him for 4 much more serious crimes with longer sentences. Referring him for this is essentially pointless.",
">\n\nYes, but i see it as another nail in the coffin, and also sends a message that subpoenas are not to be ignored",
">\n\nImagine if you or I tried to just ignore a subpoena.",
">\n\nIt’s OK if you’re a Republican, as the war criminal’s daughter who voted in line with Trump’s policies during her House tenure can attest.",
">\n\nAnother instance of unequal justice under the law, imo. If you or I disregarded a subpoena from Congress we'd be going to jail...like Steve Bannon.",
">\n\nDrag it out, do nothing, repeat. Glad the J6 group produced a ton of info and exposed a lot of the bs but what's the point of nothing really happens? Media circus? I'm so tired.",
">\n\nGreat precedent. It's good to know if I'm ever subpoenaed by congress I can just ignore it.",
">\n\nJ6 knew he'd puss out and just wanted to get it on the record. And for the same reason they haven't gone after Meadows for ignoring his subpoena, are all of the other serious crimes hanging over him and the orange Traitor in Chief, especially now, the subpoenas aren't worth the time and effort.",
">\n\n\nAnd for the same reason they haven't gone after Meadows for ignoring his subpoena\n\nTo be fair... the House voted him in criminal contempt and sent the referral to that to the DoJ. There wasn't really anything they could do beyond that with respect to his subpoena (yes, inherent contempt in theory exists, in practice it would have been useless for multiple reasons).\nMeadows is also included in the big criminal referrals the committee issued as part of their report as well.",
">\n\nAs usual, this country’s justice system is a joke",
">\n\nThis was a subpoena issued by the congress, not DOJ. He would be arrested if this was subpoena by DOJ and he didn’t show.",
">\n\nLike I said lol this country’s justice system is a joke",
">\n\nBut the justice system has not been involved yet!!! Congressional hearing is not an example of the justice system. The congress has referred the case to the DOJ or “the justice system” as a result of their hearing. DOJ will pursue a criminal investigation and pursue charges. \nJudiciary (justice system as you call it), congress, and executive branches are constitutionally separate and independent to ensure checks and balances.\nJustice system in the US is not ideal, but this specific instance is not an example of these inefficiencies. This is an example of how the congress has been ineffective in doing their legislative actions. In this instance the correct statement would be “Legislative system in this country is a joke.” Justice system has not had a chance to show its incompetence yet. That will be next.",
">\n\nNaive of you to think this is anything more than a show they’re putting on. Nothing will come of it, democrats are by nature pussies let’s be real. None have any teeth or claws. The right is full of a bunch of tribalistic monkeys, party is apparently more important than country. I guess I can rephrase, besides making money and being the best business in the world, America is a joke.",
">\n\n\"OMG. I'm so outraged by this even though I have no idea why.\"\nIt'd be nice if you guys learned the difference between the subpoena and the criminal referral. trump was never going to show up for the subpoena especially since the GOP is about to take control. It's a completely moot point.",
">\n\nExactly. The committee already referred him to the DoJ on criminal charges. Everyone is acting like they're just taking their ball and going home. They already went well and beyond a mere subpoena here, and one of the charges that they're recommending is obstruction already.",
">\n\nAren’t subpoenas mandatory with consequences? Either you show up or go to jail. Trump did neither.",
">\n\nNot if you are rich. Laws are you only for the the lower 90%",
">\n\nThis is such bullshit.",
">\n\nAnother precedent set for rich criminals to not comply. If we citizens didn’t show we’d be at a black site with electrodes on our genitals.",
">\n\nThey should have charged Trump with contempt of Congress.",
">\n\nSo whens the next uprising on behalf of rich people? Just be sure you're actually a political player because if you're just a worker you'll be charged. Chess has really changed over the past hundred years.",
">\n\nTotally expected. \nTrump, the really TV star, said he'd only agree to answer the subpoena if it were live & televised. It's quite obvious the reason is that he'd ignore the questioning & use the free air time to spew his BS, much like in the Presidential debates. \nAnd I'm sure the incoming Republican House would have loved to have given him the opportunity",
">\n\nyeah kinda moot at this point , they already made those criminal referrals anyways lol i wish they would have perused charging him for not showing up however but maybe they figured in light of everything they should focus on the key issues and at this point whatever he had to say really doesnt matter anyways as he would just lie. his testimony would pretty much be useless. its still a shame we didnt get to see it just for historys sake lol",
">\n\nAl trump would do is take the 5th like any other ordinary criminal",
">\n\nSo far as things have gone, will it now be ok for Democrats to ignore all the subpoenas that this next R House is going to send around? I’d think so….",
">\n\nOur government has failed us.... Good luck everyone.",
">\n\nAh yes the criminal Justice system, quite possibly the longest running joke in America",
">\n\n& you just know the cheeto will say something like, ha!, they dropped the subpoena cause they knew I am innocent, or some 💩 like that",
">\n\nNo surprise there. Trump is above the law, as he has proven time and again, over and over throughout the last several years. \nI will be surprised if anything comes out of this investigation, at all. \nI will be surprised if the next republican president isn't worse than Trump. \nI mean seriously, how do they convict him of anything if they can't even call him for questioning. Ever heard of anyone, ever, to get convicted of a crime that didn't have to talk to investigators at some point? \nFuck America. Fuck Trump. And fuck the pussy ass people who refuse to do their fucking job.",
">\n\nThey dropped it because it wasn't necessary and would have given him a national platform needlessly. DOJ will pass to the special council which will bring formal charges, if any will be brought.",
">\n\nThis is actually heartbreaking. Seen a lot of politicians and people of note show time and time again that the rules for EVERY CITIZEN don’t apply to them and this stings just a little more",
">\n\nMy theory that he is blackmailing everyone from the White House down with Area 51 malarky is still holding water...",
">\n\nLet us all start committing crimes and see how that goes, this is bs",
">\n\nSuch bs. I knew he would sleeze his way out of any consequences for his actions. This will only embolden him & his lunatic followers. He incites a riot that kills people & gets away with it. If any of us incited a riot, we would still be in jail & if people died during the riot, we would be charged with murder as well. So sick & tired of the double standard when it comes to a president who breaks the law & walks away, just like nixon did.",
">\n\nshould not have dropped\nshould have referred it to doj for contempt of congress...\nwhite rich continue to get a pass for what the rest of us would have long ago been prosecuted and imprisoned...",
">\n\nThey already referred him to DOJ for obstruction of a govt proceeding last week. What are you talking about?",
">\n\nYeah, because why would you want to subpoena the guy who was completely responsible for the entire thing?\nThe Chuck Schumer neoliberals have engineered this to completely let Trump get away with it - because they think the Republicans are still their friends and they don't want to piss them off!",
">\n\nThey subpoenaed trump months ago. He declined to show. Since, investigation is over, they dropped it. This is not even really news worthy.",
">\n\nHalf the people in this thread have no idea what they're talking about and are confusing the subpoena with the criminal referral.",
">\n\nOh, is that what's going on? Lol. I was wondering why ppl are making a big deal about this. This is just the committee cleaning up loose ends.",
">\n\nIt's a big deal if someone who's now a private citizen, can do wtf he wants and ignore a Congressional subpoena.",
">\n\nIt takes votes by congress to hold in contempt. They didn't need trump's testimony. He would just show up and repeat I plead the 5th anyway. Pence ignored his, too. It's pointless to hold them in contempt and get off focus of actual investigation.",
">\n\nYou're proving my point. Congressional Democrats should have enforced the subpoena and made Trump plead the 5th to every question. Imagine if Pence also appeared and pled the 5th to every question. That is political magic for the Democrats, it makes them look guilty as hell.\nTrump committed a crime, and this is America. It should be the same as if I committed a crime. We would get arrested, taken to jail until the morning, see a judge and face our charges, and then either get released on OR, held for trial, or bail set. It's not much of a democracy if laws are not enforced against powerful people.",
">\n\nOnce you all realize this is just a game and you’re the pawn things will make a lot more sense.",
">\n\nNow hear him cry about never getting a chance to testify when he’s charged.",
">\n\nI see this less as a “you’re excused” and more of a “see you in court”",
">\n\nNo need to bother with it when they've already finished their work. The only thing that testimony would have accomplished would have been getting Trump to look bad on national television, and a potential perjury charge. Trump already has embarrassed himself in public in a massive way since then, and they have bigger crimes to recommend to the DOJ for prosecution.",
">\n\nThe moment they announced the subpoena everyone got a hard on that trump would have to talk. I said it then and I’ll say it again, trump will never have to face any punishment and he doesn’t have to comply to any law or rules. They’re all more suggestions instead of laws.",
">\n\nWhat a waste of fucking time",
">\n\nSo......this was a big fat waste of time and money?",
">\n\nI mean they made a criminal referral so, no? The committee wasn’t set up to solely investigate Dolt 45 and took the testimony of over a thousand people, why is it you believe withdrawing one subpoena because the committee is winding down renders the entire process a “waste of time and money.”",
">\n\nNo mention on CNN that they dropped the subpoena after a year of January 6 January 6 January 6 terrible news station",
">\n\nWell, it’s being run by a Republican so go figure",
">\n\nTalk about the wheels of justice turning slow. In this case reversing altogether. Well done.",
">\n\nI wish this surprised me.",
">\n\nLOL God this is so funny\nWhat the fuck did y'all expect if you have money you are above the law. It only applies to the poor and those who step on the toes of capital.",
">\n\nWhat a waste of money",
">\n\n...And a Happy New Year!",
">\n\nClassic",
">\n\nShocking",
">\n\nOur governing body are a bunch of cowards. The US is being safeguarded by self-interested Congresspersons who speak about accountability and act on cowardice.",
">\n\nLet's be honest he'll get away with everything with a slap on the wrist. This country won't prosecute a sitting or former president or high ranking politician, we've seen this over and over. The whole committee is sadly a publicity stunt to gain traction for Democrat's. I hope I'm completely wrong of course and that this country will start to feel like it's a democracy.",
">\n\nThe coup is in effect.",
">\n\nI have a sad feeling this committee is going to end up like a fart in the wind",
">\n\nYou’re not wrong",
">\n\nWtf are you talking about?",
">\n\nHands",
">\n\nWho are you talking to? Lmao",
">\n\nWent out with a whimper. The most Democrat thing ever.\nWish the Dems would learn how to take the gloves off, at least they would have a shot against an opponent that has no problems filling their gloves with lead shot. Then bragging about it.",
">\n\nThe subpoena, and associated contempt charges would be nothing when compared to the recommendations made by the committee to the DOJ. Whether or not the DOJ will act is all that matters at this point.",
">\n\nPathetic pieces of shit",
">\n\nAll theatre, all the time. Seems like by now, to most people, that somehow being trolled by their favorite elected might be possible.",
">\n\nSo wait, he just gets away with everything? Just like that?\nWhat about all the articles saying that Trump will most likely spend the rest of his life in prison?",
">\n\nThe subpoena has nothing to do with the recommendations made by the committee to the DOJ. The ball is in the DOJ’s court. The subpoena doesn’t impact anything. Absurd that he didn’t get held in contempt, but that is more of a distraction than anything.",
">\n\nI see. Thanks for explaining!",
">\n\nCan anyone explain why he was not arrested for not responding to the subpoena? I thought you had to respond to these?",
">\n\nFirst they would have had to vote for contempt. Then they would need to issue a referral to DOJ, then DOJ would need to consider it. That is not happening in a week before the new congress is sworn in an this committee expires. They have issued their report and no longer need to speak to him. That is why it was withdrawn. Their job is done.",
">\n\nSubpoenas are real, or they’re not.\nIn the real world if any person defied or ignored a subpoena they would be arrested immediately.\nWhy are some Americans allowed to break the law in broad daylight.",
">\n\nWhy is the DOJ dragging its feet in charging anyone?",
">\n\nDOJ has charged over 700 people out of January 6 and they continue to charge cases. Most of these cases took months if not years to come to fruition.\nAt the end of the day DOJ has no obligation to act on any of the committee’s referrals, although I believe they already have ongoing investigations as to several of the subjects. If anything new comes out of the committee’s work it’s unlikely to happen soon.",
">\n\nThe US is beyond broken. The wealthy can do whatever they want while we are the only ones who face consequences. I can’t wait to leave this shithole again. I won’t be making the mistake of coming back like I did last year.",
">\n\nSuch a farce",
">\n\nBut he wanted to appear!!",
">\n\nThe walls are closing in.",
">\n\nOk, people. Quit guilt-edging and go home.",
">\n\nWait so what is Trump a dastardly super villain who keeps getting away or a dumb oaf. You guys just can't decide.",
">\n\nI can’t wait until nothing happens!\nHas it happened yet?",
">\n\n“All animals are equal but some animals are more equal than others.” \nHey, do you think Reddit will ever reach a state of Nirvana where it will stop claiming “Trump is really sweating now!”?",
">\n\nDoes this not set some sort of precedence? If I now get subpoenaed for something can I not just point to Trump/Barr/Holder and say “no thank you”?",
">\n\nWithdrawing a subpoena sets no precedent and is not at all uncommon.",
">\n\nThe subpoena was issued quite some time ago wasn’t it? And he just flat refused. Were Barr and Holder’s also withdrawn?",
">\n\nI saw the headline and thought the committee dropped a subpoena the way you drop an album. Then I read the article and saw that they dropped it like you drop an extra filler track from an album.",
">\n\nIt would have been a waste of time anyway. \n\"Mr. Trump, did you tell your supporters that the election was stolen and send your supporters to violently break into the capitol building to stop Joe Biden from becoming president\"? - January 6th Committee \n\"The fifth\"! - Trump\nDOJ do your job to save this nation from tyranny and further destruction!🙏",
">\n\nSurprised pikachu face",
">\n\nBut these are the same people that wanted peaceful blm protestors bathed in their own blood? What point do we all take this into our own hands",
">\n\nOh, wow. This is really bad for you, US. Like ultra super deluxe so very not good.",
">\n\nLmao…\n“ThE WaLLs arE cLoSIng in”",
">\n\nwell duh...\npolitics from the beginning",
">\n\nWhat an absolute joke.",
">\n\nInb4 trump takes this decision and expresses it as: “completely exonerated!!!”",
">\n\nThey don’t need his testimony. As if he would ever go anywhere close to a government building after the committee’s final report. Just let him relax to make it easier to arrest him",
">\n\nfucking why?",
">\n\nIsn’t the rule that if you don’t comply with a congressional subpoena you can be held in contempt and fined or jailed? Can the House sergeant-at-arms arrest the person?",
">\n\nWow, naw fuck this.",
">\n\nHe wouldn't show up anyways...🐣"
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"So far Trump's legal strategy of ignoring calls for accountability until Republicans in Congress can bail him out is workingly flawlessly.",
">\n\nThat doesn’t mean the DoJ can’t charge and prosecute. \nRight now everything is in response to republicans getting their slim majority in the house and lessen the damage they will do.\nThat said, they still have the mountain of evidence they did gather",
">\n\nWhat about when the AG/DOJ is a GOP appointee? You don’t think they’ll just put in a Bill Barr type on the entire thing?",
">\n\nNot while they have a democratic president and especially when the previous president lost them the midterms.\nThey were already planning on replacing trump with Desantes by equating the 2 (Martha’s Vineyard was part of that), they’re only gonna lose trying to put their party’s future on the line protect him further.\nThey gonna continue to spread doubt and try to discredit the investigations, but they’re barely holding onto a branch of government, they’re not stupid. Barr only worked because they held onto 2",
">\n\nUmmm that’s not what I meant. If a GOP candidate for President wins in 2024 , what are the actual legal implications. It’s not like it’s below them to interfere like they did with the collusion charges",
">\n\n\nThe House January 6 committee is withdrawing its subpoena of former President Donald Trump as it concludes its work.\n“In light of the imminent end of our investigation, the Select Committee can no longer pursue the specific information covered by the subpoena,” Chairman Bennie Thompson, a Mississippi Democrat, wrote in a letter to Trump’s attorney Wednesday obtained by CNN.\n“Therefore, through this letter, I hereby formally withdraw the subpoena issued to former President Trump, and notify you that he is no longer obligated to comply or produce records in response to said subpoena,” Thompson added.",
">\n\nConclusion: Former president Trump is above the law.",
">\n\nYeah kind of makes me sad. Trump can just ignore a subpoena, with zero consequences. \n“We believe you tried to overthrow the government. You are legally required to come talk to us about it.”\n“No thanks.”\n“Oh. Ok, never mind.”",
">\n\nNo consequences? He's has been referred to the DOJ for obstruction of a govt processing last week. They held a recorded vote.",
">\n\nThat’s not a consequence. It’s kicking the can. Trump will never, ever be held responsible for his role in destroying democracy in America.",
">\n\nThis is not TV or a movie. \"The wheels of justice grind slowly yet exceedingly fine\" is a saying for a reason. Federal investigations usually take years.",
">\n\nHe’s been investigated for years. No consequences. Just special appointments, investigations, and referrals. In the mean time, you know who DOES face consequences?\nAmerica.",
">\n\nYou are judging the end of the movie before it is over.\nThe previous investigations were being done while he had the shield of the presidency and an attorney general running obstruction for him. None of that is true now.",
">\n\nThe GOP will continue fighting on his behalf, because the majority are complicit in 45’s fuckery. Again, no consequences will be had. I’m willing to wager a gift card to your favorite local restaurant that he will live fat, rich, and free until at least the 2024/25 inauguration. Save this post.",
">\n\nWe'll see about that. I'll admit to the loss if thats the case.",
">\n\nMore proof that we the people have no rights in comparison to the billionaire ticks.",
">\n\nDude ain't no billionaire",
">\n\nNo, but his buddies are.",
">\n\nHis puppet masters maybe",
">\n\nI mean, who would have thought not starting the fight sooner would end like this?",
">\n\nDon’t worry. He’s got so many more coming.",
">\n\nThe idea that Trump will pay any price for his crimes is a fantasy.",
">\n\nIt’s actually happening. His company has been found guilty. His charity is closed. His cohorts are about to go to jail. His popularity sagging. Protection is gone. We just need the first indictment.",
">\n\nBut none is him",
">\n\nWell Trump Org is pretty much him but be patient.",
">\n\nDrops in the bucket. \nBeen patient for like 6 years now. How much more we gotta wait?",
">\n\nHe couldn’t be prosecuted while president. Watch GA and the special prosecutor. They’re moving fast.",
">\n\nCouldn't be?\nShould have been.",
">\n\nThat’s absolutely wild that any man is able to just straight up ignore a subpoena with zero consequences. Definition of “above the law”. If he gets away with this, he is going to be more dangerous than ever. You get away with leading a coup/insurrection, you’re going to assume you can get away with literally anything. \nMaybe trump was right… he really could shoot someone in the middle of 5th avenue and not lose any voters…and also probably not even get in trouble",
">\n\nSerious questions...so the committee pull the subpoena, but it's up to DOJ for any additional follow up, but when the new congress is in session they can tell DOJ to drop everything? Is that how's its going to go down? Because I thought DOJ is supposed to be independent once given the committee's findings?",
">\n\nThe DOJ is certainly independent of Congress. As for the committee - the only thing they would've done differently was vote on a criminal referral for contempt of Congress. Although there is some truth to congressional contempt needing to stem from congress, The DOJ has no obligation to act on a referral - it is more akin to a recommendation.\nWith that being said, the committee knew it wasn't going to serve any real benefit, so they decided not to.\n\nThe DOJ decided not to prosecute Meadows and Scavino for contempt due to their close ties to the executive. This pretty much ruled out any chance of it happening to Trump, a former President. \nEven a completely successful referral (Steve Bannon) showed how inconsequential Congressional subpoena power is. For one, it is a misdemeanor. It has been ~15 months since Bannon was referred, and he was found guilty and sentenced, and he is still a free man pending appeal. And even if upheld, it's only 4 months in prison as just shy of maximum sentencing guidelines. \nThe DOJ, if they prosecute, are aiming at much bigger crimes - notably Obstruction of an Official Proceeding, which carries up to 20 years. And they'd be potentially trying these crimes in the same jurisdiction.\n\nSo I'm sure the calculation was that it just wasn't worth throwing a referral at the DOJ for something they'd never follow up on, and wouldn't be much benefit if they did.",
">\n\nIn summary, he’s committed so many crimes that this one isn’t worth any effort",
">\n\nEssentially, yeah. The DOJ has two big chances to secure a conviction: Mar-A-Lago and Jan. 6 - and they will likely bring multiple charges in a D.C. court if they decide to prosecute. Mar-A-Lago will come first, which has virtually nothing to do with this committee's work.\nReferring a misdemeanor to tack onto 4 serious felonies they referred probably only risked muddying the larger offenses. Can't blame them honestly.",
">\n\nWhat is “Mar a Lago” in this context! The tax scheme? Classified documents?",
">\n\nThe classified documents",
">\n\nSmall point but they weren't all classified and don't need to be, for what he did to be illegal. Just trying to avoid republican framing.",
">\n\nHillary was not afraid to testify every time she was asked (and testified for hours and hours each time, answering all questions asked) and never took the 5th. Yet republicans act like she is the criminal when it always has been trump.",
">\n\nEven if she was wrong she was smarter than any of the R in the room. That woman was a machine during those hearings and gave them nothing to work with.",
">\n\nShe is definitely smarter than that barrel of monkeys who questioned her, but ultimately, there was nothing to get from her - the perfect opposite case of crimey benedict donald and his co-conspirators.",
">\n\nIt's interesting to see that people think this subpoena would have continued to exist past Jan 3, 2023 given that that's when ALL open subpoenas from the outgoing congress expire and become null and void. Even if the J6 committee continued to exist- they would be required to file a brand new one in the new session.",
">\n\nIt wouldn't be that hard to file a brand new subpoena, they have lawyers who work full-time for them. That isn't an obstacle.",
">\n\nExcept for the committee doesn't exist in the new Congress and they have no powers to do anything if they don't exist.",
">\n\nIt's easy to get the two confused a lot of times.",
">\n\nHow many of y'all actually thought he wasn't going to run out the clock? \nNothing will fundamentally change.",
">\n\nNobody. The “justice takes time” chorus that dominated the narrative was only here to quell social unrest so society didn’t take a dive while the rich mocked us from their golden pedestals.",
">\n\nSerious question: Why? So what if the Dems lose power in the Congress. Let the Republicans be the one to formally dismantle the committee and subpoena on record. Then when hopefully Trump is charged by the DOJ, dems have another talking point for 2024 that the Republicans hate law and order and protect mob bosses.",
">\n\nThe select committee expires at the end of the congressional session. So they do not need to question him because the committee will not exist.",
">\n\nBut what is the point of formally withdrawing the subpoena? What does it accomplish?",
">\n\nThe committee is over. They have issued the report, they are closing up shop. They are following the process. A secondary part of the committees job was to show how a REAL congressional hearing should be handled. None of that sloppy ass grandstanding they did for Benghazi",
">\n\nMy viewpoint is that Trump and the GOP are just going to use this as “proof” that he did nothing wrong. Remember how the Mueller report “exonerated” Trump? His base believes this shit wholeheartedly and I guarantee he will use this as “evidence” for his innocence.\nShowing how things SHOULD be handled instead of taking whatever measures needed to protect Americans lead to Jan 6th happening in the first place. We all know how things should be handled, how the rules should work, but one side is willing to do whatever they need to keep power and the other is getting walked over.\nIs taking the high road worth letting fascism into our government?",
">\n\nIt’s good to know that republicans are allowed to ignore subpoenas. That’s useful info for them. Don’t expect dems to get that treatment",
">\n\nThey dropped the ball in not issuing one a couple of months ago",
">\n\nActually the Democrats have done everything not to ever pick up the ball even once. They let trump appointed republicans appoint a republican special counsel to fall like a straw man to blatant obstruction in the Russia probe. They turned it into a fundraiser for campaigning. \nThis time they let liz Cheney take the reins, who was able to preserve her republican prerogatives throughout this entire ordeal. \nThe fact is that you're all being cucked by forces of controlled opposition and I'm apparently the only one in the world who can't be so easily mitigated.\nI can't depend on any of you anymore than you can depend on yourselves.",
">\n\nYou lost all credibility at the end when you said cuck and act like you’re the smartest person in the world. Be gone!",
">\n\nYeah, I don't know how anyone can be expected to be taken seriously using that whole sentence unironically.",
">\n\nI don't expect to be taken seriously whether I say it or not, yet the facts remain as I've described.",
">\n\nI didn’t see that coming, said absolutely no one.",
">\n\nWhy.",
">\n\nHUGE mistake. The committee will be dissolved by the GOPers in a couple weeks, and all this did was to give the Marmalade Moses another fake victory to rile up his lemmings.",
">\n\nIt’s funny because I say the same thing every time about trump never getting charged and I always get shit about it like BUT NO THIS TIME IS DIFFERENT. \nLmao right. Sure it is.",
">\n\nFucking same. This is just more “ammo” for his orange, shit spewing mouth.",
">\n\nThis guy is still getting more media coverage than the current potus two years into his term. Crazy.",
">\n\nIt does blow that he wasn't forced to comply with the subpoena but for people thinking what a bummer this seems like, the house is switching to a republican majority in like a week so it didn't make a whole lot of sense to leave an active subpoena on record knowing it would never be resolved. They likely knew he wasn't going to comply when it was issued only now its offical that it was officially issued, ignored by trump, and terminated. Who knows if the DOJ will eventually file but everyone pretty much already knew that little temper tantrum trump wasn't going to aid in his own house sedition investigation.",
">\n\nIf we restrict ourselves to the issue of compliance with a subpoena from this committee, then the recent election clearly mooted every aspect of penalties or consequences related to ignoring the subpoena.\nIt's like a big brother was called over and little bro wanted him to force his adversary to bow and kiss the ground. But by the time big bro finally wanders over, the kid goes \"nah... we're good.\"\nA lot of folk like to believe contempt of court or contempt of congress is like any other crime where you do the deed and have to face the punishment. But, in general, these things do not work like crimes. Even where contempt has been codified such that there is a criminal contempt aspect, the goal remains to seek or to force compliance. This leads to \"punishments\" which are better or worse depending on how you view things. A simple view is that you could be \"sentenced\" to indefinite incarceration because it's a \"jailed until compliance\" thing.\nIn this case, Congress has been very, very reticent to try to use their inherent power to jail someone. So the most they ever do these days is refer the case to the DoJ to pursue criminal contempt of congress.\nAll in all, is this a \"good\" thing? Maybe it's not as bad as we feel it to be. Imagine any sort of argument where someone demands you do something. You retort \"are you sure?\" Bystanders urge folk cool down and think about it. Map that into the way Congress changes every two years and you get a sense that unless something is important enough that it remains after the public alters the composition of the legislative branch, maybe it's not all that important (to the public) after all.\nOn the other hand, why would anyone fear Congress when they demonstrate time and again there never really are any consequences for refusal to comply with subpoenas? But... do we want to quake in fear whenever some nutjob party gains control and enacts something as dire as the Committee on Unamerican Activities?",
">\n\nWhat is the advantage of dropping the subpoena, as opposed to just letting it expire/letting the new congress withdraw it? Why go on record saying he no longer has to come in? I get that he was never going to show, I’m just curious why this is better than the alternative.",
">\n\nI’m wondering this too. There has to be a good reason.",
">\n\n?? Why, like it had no power, but still why? This looks like weakness",
">\n\nThe subpoena expires when the new congress is sworn in on Jan 3rd. There was no practical way to enforce it.",
">\n\nWhy not just let it expire?\nNow Republicans have a talking point that the January 6th Committee withdrew their subpoena.\nThey'll use it to muddy the waters and spread more misinformation.",
">\n\nThey already had their talking points. They've had them the whole time. They already released a \"counter report\" to the J6 committee. The committee withdrew it because they are closing up shop. The report is out. Where would Donnie's answers go?",
">\n\nWhy was he not charged with contempt for no show? Once again, he gets let off for bad behaviour",
">\n\nBecause they referred him for 4 much more serious crimes with longer sentences. Referring him for this is essentially pointless.",
">\n\nYes, but i see it as another nail in the coffin, and also sends a message that subpoenas are not to be ignored",
">\n\nImagine if you or I tried to just ignore a subpoena.",
">\n\nIt’s OK if you’re a Republican, as the war criminal’s daughter who voted in line with Trump’s policies during her House tenure can attest.",
">\n\nAnother instance of unequal justice under the law, imo. If you or I disregarded a subpoena from Congress we'd be going to jail...like Steve Bannon.",
">\n\nDrag it out, do nothing, repeat. Glad the J6 group produced a ton of info and exposed a lot of the bs but what's the point of nothing really happens? Media circus? I'm so tired.",
">\n\nGreat precedent. It's good to know if I'm ever subpoenaed by congress I can just ignore it.",
">\n\nJ6 knew he'd puss out and just wanted to get it on the record. And for the same reason they haven't gone after Meadows for ignoring his subpoena, are all of the other serious crimes hanging over him and the orange Traitor in Chief, especially now, the subpoenas aren't worth the time and effort.",
">\n\n\nAnd for the same reason they haven't gone after Meadows for ignoring his subpoena\n\nTo be fair... the House voted him in criminal contempt and sent the referral to that to the DoJ. There wasn't really anything they could do beyond that with respect to his subpoena (yes, inherent contempt in theory exists, in practice it would have been useless for multiple reasons).\nMeadows is also included in the big criminal referrals the committee issued as part of their report as well.",
">\n\nAs usual, this country’s justice system is a joke",
">\n\nThis was a subpoena issued by the congress, not DOJ. He would be arrested if this was subpoena by DOJ and he didn’t show.",
">\n\nLike I said lol this country’s justice system is a joke",
">\n\nBut the justice system has not been involved yet!!! Congressional hearing is not an example of the justice system. The congress has referred the case to the DOJ or “the justice system” as a result of their hearing. DOJ will pursue a criminal investigation and pursue charges. \nJudiciary (justice system as you call it), congress, and executive branches are constitutionally separate and independent to ensure checks and balances.\nJustice system in the US is not ideal, but this specific instance is not an example of these inefficiencies. This is an example of how the congress has been ineffective in doing their legislative actions. In this instance the correct statement would be “Legislative system in this country is a joke.” Justice system has not had a chance to show its incompetence yet. That will be next.",
">\n\nNaive of you to think this is anything more than a show they’re putting on. Nothing will come of it, democrats are by nature pussies let’s be real. None have any teeth or claws. The right is full of a bunch of tribalistic monkeys, party is apparently more important than country. I guess I can rephrase, besides making money and being the best business in the world, America is a joke.",
">\n\n\"OMG. I'm so outraged by this even though I have no idea why.\"\nIt'd be nice if you guys learned the difference between the subpoena and the criminal referral. trump was never going to show up for the subpoena especially since the GOP is about to take control. It's a completely moot point.",
">\n\nExactly. The committee already referred him to the DoJ on criminal charges. Everyone is acting like they're just taking their ball and going home. They already went well and beyond a mere subpoena here, and one of the charges that they're recommending is obstruction already.",
">\n\nAren’t subpoenas mandatory with consequences? Either you show up or go to jail. Trump did neither.",
">\n\nNot if you are rich. Laws are you only for the the lower 90%",
">\n\nThis is such bullshit.",
">\n\nAnother precedent set for rich criminals to not comply. If we citizens didn’t show we’d be at a black site with electrodes on our genitals.",
">\n\nThey should have charged Trump with contempt of Congress.",
">\n\nSo whens the next uprising on behalf of rich people? Just be sure you're actually a political player because if you're just a worker you'll be charged. Chess has really changed over the past hundred years.",
">\n\nTotally expected. \nTrump, the really TV star, said he'd only agree to answer the subpoena if it were live & televised. It's quite obvious the reason is that he'd ignore the questioning & use the free air time to spew his BS, much like in the Presidential debates. \nAnd I'm sure the incoming Republican House would have loved to have given him the opportunity",
">\n\nyeah kinda moot at this point , they already made those criminal referrals anyways lol i wish they would have perused charging him for not showing up however but maybe they figured in light of everything they should focus on the key issues and at this point whatever he had to say really doesnt matter anyways as he would just lie. his testimony would pretty much be useless. its still a shame we didnt get to see it just for historys sake lol",
">\n\nAl trump would do is take the 5th like any other ordinary criminal",
">\n\nSo far as things have gone, will it now be ok for Democrats to ignore all the subpoenas that this next R House is going to send around? I’d think so….",
">\n\nOur government has failed us.... Good luck everyone.",
">\n\nAh yes the criminal Justice system, quite possibly the longest running joke in America",
">\n\n& you just know the cheeto will say something like, ha!, they dropped the subpoena cause they knew I am innocent, or some 💩 like that",
">\n\nNo surprise there. Trump is above the law, as he has proven time and again, over and over throughout the last several years. \nI will be surprised if anything comes out of this investigation, at all. \nI will be surprised if the next republican president isn't worse than Trump. \nI mean seriously, how do they convict him of anything if they can't even call him for questioning. Ever heard of anyone, ever, to get convicted of a crime that didn't have to talk to investigators at some point? \nFuck America. Fuck Trump. And fuck the pussy ass people who refuse to do their fucking job.",
">\n\nThey dropped it because it wasn't necessary and would have given him a national platform needlessly. DOJ will pass to the special council which will bring formal charges, if any will be brought.",
">\n\nThis is actually heartbreaking. Seen a lot of politicians and people of note show time and time again that the rules for EVERY CITIZEN don’t apply to them and this stings just a little more",
">\n\nMy theory that he is blackmailing everyone from the White House down with Area 51 malarky is still holding water...",
">\n\nLet us all start committing crimes and see how that goes, this is bs",
">\n\nSuch bs. I knew he would sleeze his way out of any consequences for his actions. This will only embolden him & his lunatic followers. He incites a riot that kills people & gets away with it. If any of us incited a riot, we would still be in jail & if people died during the riot, we would be charged with murder as well. So sick & tired of the double standard when it comes to a president who breaks the law & walks away, just like nixon did.",
">\n\nshould not have dropped\nshould have referred it to doj for contempt of congress...\nwhite rich continue to get a pass for what the rest of us would have long ago been prosecuted and imprisoned...",
">\n\nThey already referred him to DOJ for obstruction of a govt proceeding last week. What are you talking about?",
">\n\nYeah, because why would you want to subpoena the guy who was completely responsible for the entire thing?\nThe Chuck Schumer neoliberals have engineered this to completely let Trump get away with it - because they think the Republicans are still their friends and they don't want to piss them off!",
">\n\nThey subpoenaed trump months ago. He declined to show. Since, investigation is over, they dropped it. This is not even really news worthy.",
">\n\nHalf the people in this thread have no idea what they're talking about and are confusing the subpoena with the criminal referral.",
">\n\nOh, is that what's going on? Lol. I was wondering why ppl are making a big deal about this. This is just the committee cleaning up loose ends.",
">\n\nIt's a big deal if someone who's now a private citizen, can do wtf he wants and ignore a Congressional subpoena.",
">\n\nIt takes votes by congress to hold in contempt. They didn't need trump's testimony. He would just show up and repeat I plead the 5th anyway. Pence ignored his, too. It's pointless to hold them in contempt and get off focus of actual investigation.",
">\n\nYou're proving my point. Congressional Democrats should have enforced the subpoena and made Trump plead the 5th to every question. Imagine if Pence also appeared and pled the 5th to every question. That is political magic for the Democrats, it makes them look guilty as hell.\nTrump committed a crime, and this is America. It should be the same as if I committed a crime. We would get arrested, taken to jail until the morning, see a judge and face our charges, and then either get released on OR, held for trial, or bail set. It's not much of a democracy if laws are not enforced against powerful people.",
">\n\nOnce you all realize this is just a game and you’re the pawn things will make a lot more sense.",
">\n\nNow hear him cry about never getting a chance to testify when he’s charged.",
">\n\nI see this less as a “you’re excused” and more of a “see you in court”",
">\n\nNo need to bother with it when they've already finished their work. The only thing that testimony would have accomplished would have been getting Trump to look bad on national television, and a potential perjury charge. Trump already has embarrassed himself in public in a massive way since then, and they have bigger crimes to recommend to the DOJ for prosecution.",
">\n\nThe moment they announced the subpoena everyone got a hard on that trump would have to talk. I said it then and I’ll say it again, trump will never have to face any punishment and he doesn’t have to comply to any law or rules. They’re all more suggestions instead of laws.",
">\n\nWhat a waste of fucking time",
">\n\nSo......this was a big fat waste of time and money?",
">\n\nI mean they made a criminal referral so, no? The committee wasn’t set up to solely investigate Dolt 45 and took the testimony of over a thousand people, why is it you believe withdrawing one subpoena because the committee is winding down renders the entire process a “waste of time and money.”",
">\n\nNo mention on CNN that they dropped the subpoena after a year of January 6 January 6 January 6 terrible news station",
">\n\nWell, it’s being run by a Republican so go figure",
">\n\nTalk about the wheels of justice turning slow. In this case reversing altogether. Well done.",
">\n\nI wish this surprised me.",
">\n\nLOL God this is so funny\nWhat the fuck did y'all expect if you have money you are above the law. It only applies to the poor and those who step on the toes of capital.",
">\n\nWhat a waste of money",
">\n\n...And a Happy New Year!",
">\n\nClassic",
">\n\nShocking",
">\n\nOur governing body are a bunch of cowards. The US is being safeguarded by self-interested Congresspersons who speak about accountability and act on cowardice.",
">\n\nLet's be honest he'll get away with everything with a slap on the wrist. This country won't prosecute a sitting or former president or high ranking politician, we've seen this over and over. The whole committee is sadly a publicity stunt to gain traction for Democrat's. I hope I'm completely wrong of course and that this country will start to feel like it's a democracy.",
">\n\nThe coup is in effect.",
">\n\nI have a sad feeling this committee is going to end up like a fart in the wind",
">\n\nYou’re not wrong",
">\n\nWtf are you talking about?",
">\n\nHands",
">\n\nWho are you talking to? Lmao",
">\n\nWent out with a whimper. The most Democrat thing ever.\nWish the Dems would learn how to take the gloves off, at least they would have a shot against an opponent that has no problems filling their gloves with lead shot. Then bragging about it.",
">\n\nThe subpoena, and associated contempt charges would be nothing when compared to the recommendations made by the committee to the DOJ. Whether or not the DOJ will act is all that matters at this point.",
">\n\nPathetic pieces of shit",
">\n\nAll theatre, all the time. Seems like by now, to most people, that somehow being trolled by their favorite elected might be possible.",
">\n\nSo wait, he just gets away with everything? Just like that?\nWhat about all the articles saying that Trump will most likely spend the rest of his life in prison?",
">\n\nThe subpoena has nothing to do with the recommendations made by the committee to the DOJ. The ball is in the DOJ’s court. The subpoena doesn’t impact anything. Absurd that he didn’t get held in contempt, but that is more of a distraction than anything.",
">\n\nI see. Thanks for explaining!",
">\n\nCan anyone explain why he was not arrested for not responding to the subpoena? I thought you had to respond to these?",
">\n\nFirst they would have had to vote for contempt. Then they would need to issue a referral to DOJ, then DOJ would need to consider it. That is not happening in a week before the new congress is sworn in an this committee expires. They have issued their report and no longer need to speak to him. That is why it was withdrawn. Their job is done.",
">\n\nSubpoenas are real, or they’re not.\nIn the real world if any person defied or ignored a subpoena they would be arrested immediately.\nWhy are some Americans allowed to break the law in broad daylight.",
">\n\nWhy is the DOJ dragging its feet in charging anyone?",
">\n\nDOJ has charged over 700 people out of January 6 and they continue to charge cases. Most of these cases took months if not years to come to fruition.\nAt the end of the day DOJ has no obligation to act on any of the committee’s referrals, although I believe they already have ongoing investigations as to several of the subjects. If anything new comes out of the committee’s work it’s unlikely to happen soon.",
">\n\nThe US is beyond broken. The wealthy can do whatever they want while we are the only ones who face consequences. I can’t wait to leave this shithole again. I won’t be making the mistake of coming back like I did last year.",
">\n\nSuch a farce",
">\n\nBut he wanted to appear!!",
">\n\nThe walls are closing in.",
">\n\nOk, people. Quit guilt-edging and go home.",
">\n\nWait so what is Trump a dastardly super villain who keeps getting away or a dumb oaf. You guys just can't decide.",
">\n\nI can’t wait until nothing happens!\nHas it happened yet?",
">\n\n“All animals are equal but some animals are more equal than others.” \nHey, do you think Reddit will ever reach a state of Nirvana where it will stop claiming “Trump is really sweating now!”?",
">\n\nDoes this not set some sort of precedence? If I now get subpoenaed for something can I not just point to Trump/Barr/Holder and say “no thank you”?",
">\n\nWithdrawing a subpoena sets no precedent and is not at all uncommon.",
">\n\nThe subpoena was issued quite some time ago wasn’t it? And he just flat refused. Were Barr and Holder’s also withdrawn?",
">\n\nI saw the headline and thought the committee dropped a subpoena the way you drop an album. Then I read the article and saw that they dropped it like you drop an extra filler track from an album.",
">\n\nIt would have been a waste of time anyway. \n\"Mr. Trump, did you tell your supporters that the election was stolen and send your supporters to violently break into the capitol building to stop Joe Biden from becoming president\"? - January 6th Committee \n\"The fifth\"! - Trump\nDOJ do your job to save this nation from tyranny and further destruction!🙏",
">\n\nSurprised pikachu face",
">\n\nBut these are the same people that wanted peaceful blm protestors bathed in their own blood? What point do we all take this into our own hands",
">\n\nOh, wow. This is really bad for you, US. Like ultra super deluxe so very not good.",
">\n\nLmao…\n“ThE WaLLs arE cLoSIng in”",
">\n\nwell duh...\npolitics from the beginning",
">\n\nWhat an absolute joke.",
">\n\nInb4 trump takes this decision and expresses it as: “completely exonerated!!!”",
">\n\nThey don’t need his testimony. As if he would ever go anywhere close to a government building after the committee’s final report. Just let him relax to make it easier to arrest him",
">\n\nfucking why?",
">\n\nIsn’t the rule that if you don’t comply with a congressional subpoena you can be held in contempt and fined or jailed? Can the House sergeant-at-arms arrest the person?",
">\n\nWow, naw fuck this.",
">\n\nHe wouldn't show up anyways...🐣",
">\n\nTFG is so slippery, Teflon wouldn't stick"
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"So far Trump's legal strategy of ignoring calls for accountability until Republicans in Congress can bail him out is workingly flawlessly.",
">\n\nThat doesn’t mean the DoJ can’t charge and prosecute. \nRight now everything is in response to republicans getting their slim majority in the house and lessen the damage they will do.\nThat said, they still have the mountain of evidence they did gather",
">\n\nWhat about when the AG/DOJ is a GOP appointee? You don’t think they’ll just put in a Bill Barr type on the entire thing?",
">\n\nNot while they have a democratic president and especially when the previous president lost them the midterms.\nThey were already planning on replacing trump with Desantes by equating the 2 (Martha’s Vineyard was part of that), they’re only gonna lose trying to put their party’s future on the line protect him further.\nThey gonna continue to spread doubt and try to discredit the investigations, but they’re barely holding onto a branch of government, they’re not stupid. Barr only worked because they held onto 2",
">\n\nUmmm that’s not what I meant. If a GOP candidate for President wins in 2024 , what are the actual legal implications. It’s not like it’s below them to interfere like they did with the collusion charges",
">\n\n\nThe House January 6 committee is withdrawing its subpoena of former President Donald Trump as it concludes its work.\n“In light of the imminent end of our investigation, the Select Committee can no longer pursue the specific information covered by the subpoena,” Chairman Bennie Thompson, a Mississippi Democrat, wrote in a letter to Trump’s attorney Wednesday obtained by CNN.\n“Therefore, through this letter, I hereby formally withdraw the subpoena issued to former President Trump, and notify you that he is no longer obligated to comply or produce records in response to said subpoena,” Thompson added.",
">\n\nConclusion: Former president Trump is above the law.",
">\n\nYeah kind of makes me sad. Trump can just ignore a subpoena, with zero consequences. \n“We believe you tried to overthrow the government. You are legally required to come talk to us about it.”\n“No thanks.”\n“Oh. Ok, never mind.”",
">\n\nNo consequences? He's has been referred to the DOJ for obstruction of a govt processing last week. They held a recorded vote.",
">\n\nThat’s not a consequence. It’s kicking the can. Trump will never, ever be held responsible for his role in destroying democracy in America.",
">\n\nThis is not TV or a movie. \"The wheels of justice grind slowly yet exceedingly fine\" is a saying for a reason. Federal investigations usually take years.",
">\n\nHe’s been investigated for years. No consequences. Just special appointments, investigations, and referrals. In the mean time, you know who DOES face consequences?\nAmerica.",
">\n\nYou are judging the end of the movie before it is over.\nThe previous investigations were being done while he had the shield of the presidency and an attorney general running obstruction for him. None of that is true now.",
">\n\nThe GOP will continue fighting on his behalf, because the majority are complicit in 45’s fuckery. Again, no consequences will be had. I’m willing to wager a gift card to your favorite local restaurant that he will live fat, rich, and free until at least the 2024/25 inauguration. Save this post.",
">\n\nWe'll see about that. I'll admit to the loss if thats the case.",
">\n\nMore proof that we the people have no rights in comparison to the billionaire ticks.",
">\n\nDude ain't no billionaire",
">\n\nNo, but his buddies are.",
">\n\nHis puppet masters maybe",
">\n\nI mean, who would have thought not starting the fight sooner would end like this?",
">\n\nDon’t worry. He’s got so many more coming.",
">\n\nThe idea that Trump will pay any price for his crimes is a fantasy.",
">\n\nIt’s actually happening. His company has been found guilty. His charity is closed. His cohorts are about to go to jail. His popularity sagging. Protection is gone. We just need the first indictment.",
">\n\nBut none is him",
">\n\nWell Trump Org is pretty much him but be patient.",
">\n\nDrops in the bucket. \nBeen patient for like 6 years now. How much more we gotta wait?",
">\n\nHe couldn’t be prosecuted while president. Watch GA and the special prosecutor. They’re moving fast.",
">\n\nCouldn't be?\nShould have been.",
">\n\nThat’s absolutely wild that any man is able to just straight up ignore a subpoena with zero consequences. Definition of “above the law”. If he gets away with this, he is going to be more dangerous than ever. You get away with leading a coup/insurrection, you’re going to assume you can get away with literally anything. \nMaybe trump was right… he really could shoot someone in the middle of 5th avenue and not lose any voters…and also probably not even get in trouble",
">\n\nSerious questions...so the committee pull the subpoena, but it's up to DOJ for any additional follow up, but when the new congress is in session they can tell DOJ to drop everything? Is that how's its going to go down? Because I thought DOJ is supposed to be independent once given the committee's findings?",
">\n\nThe DOJ is certainly independent of Congress. As for the committee - the only thing they would've done differently was vote on a criminal referral for contempt of Congress. Although there is some truth to congressional contempt needing to stem from congress, The DOJ has no obligation to act on a referral - it is more akin to a recommendation.\nWith that being said, the committee knew it wasn't going to serve any real benefit, so they decided not to.\n\nThe DOJ decided not to prosecute Meadows and Scavino for contempt due to their close ties to the executive. This pretty much ruled out any chance of it happening to Trump, a former President. \nEven a completely successful referral (Steve Bannon) showed how inconsequential Congressional subpoena power is. For one, it is a misdemeanor. It has been ~15 months since Bannon was referred, and he was found guilty and sentenced, and he is still a free man pending appeal. And even if upheld, it's only 4 months in prison as just shy of maximum sentencing guidelines. \nThe DOJ, if they prosecute, are aiming at much bigger crimes - notably Obstruction of an Official Proceeding, which carries up to 20 years. And they'd be potentially trying these crimes in the same jurisdiction.\n\nSo I'm sure the calculation was that it just wasn't worth throwing a referral at the DOJ for something they'd never follow up on, and wouldn't be much benefit if they did.",
">\n\nIn summary, he’s committed so many crimes that this one isn’t worth any effort",
">\n\nEssentially, yeah. The DOJ has two big chances to secure a conviction: Mar-A-Lago and Jan. 6 - and they will likely bring multiple charges in a D.C. court if they decide to prosecute. Mar-A-Lago will come first, which has virtually nothing to do with this committee's work.\nReferring a misdemeanor to tack onto 4 serious felonies they referred probably only risked muddying the larger offenses. Can't blame them honestly.",
">\n\nWhat is “Mar a Lago” in this context! The tax scheme? Classified documents?",
">\n\nThe classified documents",
">\n\nSmall point but they weren't all classified and don't need to be, for what he did to be illegal. Just trying to avoid republican framing.",
">\n\nHillary was not afraid to testify every time she was asked (and testified for hours and hours each time, answering all questions asked) and never took the 5th. Yet republicans act like she is the criminal when it always has been trump.",
">\n\nEven if she was wrong she was smarter than any of the R in the room. That woman was a machine during those hearings and gave them nothing to work with.",
">\n\nShe is definitely smarter than that barrel of monkeys who questioned her, but ultimately, there was nothing to get from her - the perfect opposite case of crimey benedict donald and his co-conspirators.",
">\n\nIt's interesting to see that people think this subpoena would have continued to exist past Jan 3, 2023 given that that's when ALL open subpoenas from the outgoing congress expire and become null and void. Even if the J6 committee continued to exist- they would be required to file a brand new one in the new session.",
">\n\nIt wouldn't be that hard to file a brand new subpoena, they have lawyers who work full-time for them. That isn't an obstacle.",
">\n\nExcept for the committee doesn't exist in the new Congress and they have no powers to do anything if they don't exist.",
">\n\nIt's easy to get the two confused a lot of times.",
">\n\nHow many of y'all actually thought he wasn't going to run out the clock? \nNothing will fundamentally change.",
">\n\nNobody. The “justice takes time” chorus that dominated the narrative was only here to quell social unrest so society didn’t take a dive while the rich mocked us from their golden pedestals.",
">\n\nSerious question: Why? So what if the Dems lose power in the Congress. Let the Republicans be the one to formally dismantle the committee and subpoena on record. Then when hopefully Trump is charged by the DOJ, dems have another talking point for 2024 that the Republicans hate law and order and protect mob bosses.",
">\n\nThe select committee expires at the end of the congressional session. So they do not need to question him because the committee will not exist.",
">\n\nBut what is the point of formally withdrawing the subpoena? What does it accomplish?",
">\n\nThe committee is over. They have issued the report, they are closing up shop. They are following the process. A secondary part of the committees job was to show how a REAL congressional hearing should be handled. None of that sloppy ass grandstanding they did for Benghazi",
">\n\nMy viewpoint is that Trump and the GOP are just going to use this as “proof” that he did nothing wrong. Remember how the Mueller report “exonerated” Trump? His base believes this shit wholeheartedly and I guarantee he will use this as “evidence” for his innocence.\nShowing how things SHOULD be handled instead of taking whatever measures needed to protect Americans lead to Jan 6th happening in the first place. We all know how things should be handled, how the rules should work, but one side is willing to do whatever they need to keep power and the other is getting walked over.\nIs taking the high road worth letting fascism into our government?",
">\n\nIt’s good to know that republicans are allowed to ignore subpoenas. That’s useful info for them. Don’t expect dems to get that treatment",
">\n\nThey dropped the ball in not issuing one a couple of months ago",
">\n\nActually the Democrats have done everything not to ever pick up the ball even once. They let trump appointed republicans appoint a republican special counsel to fall like a straw man to blatant obstruction in the Russia probe. They turned it into a fundraiser for campaigning. \nThis time they let liz Cheney take the reins, who was able to preserve her republican prerogatives throughout this entire ordeal. \nThe fact is that you're all being cucked by forces of controlled opposition and I'm apparently the only one in the world who can't be so easily mitigated.\nI can't depend on any of you anymore than you can depend on yourselves.",
">\n\nYou lost all credibility at the end when you said cuck and act like you’re the smartest person in the world. Be gone!",
">\n\nYeah, I don't know how anyone can be expected to be taken seriously using that whole sentence unironically.",
">\n\nI don't expect to be taken seriously whether I say it or not, yet the facts remain as I've described.",
">\n\nI didn’t see that coming, said absolutely no one.",
">\n\nWhy.",
">\n\nHUGE mistake. The committee will be dissolved by the GOPers in a couple weeks, and all this did was to give the Marmalade Moses another fake victory to rile up his lemmings.",
">\n\nIt’s funny because I say the same thing every time about trump never getting charged and I always get shit about it like BUT NO THIS TIME IS DIFFERENT. \nLmao right. Sure it is.",
">\n\nFucking same. This is just more “ammo” for his orange, shit spewing mouth.",
">\n\nThis guy is still getting more media coverage than the current potus two years into his term. Crazy.",
">\n\nIt does blow that he wasn't forced to comply with the subpoena but for people thinking what a bummer this seems like, the house is switching to a republican majority in like a week so it didn't make a whole lot of sense to leave an active subpoena on record knowing it would never be resolved. They likely knew he wasn't going to comply when it was issued only now its offical that it was officially issued, ignored by trump, and terminated. Who knows if the DOJ will eventually file but everyone pretty much already knew that little temper tantrum trump wasn't going to aid in his own house sedition investigation.",
">\n\nIf we restrict ourselves to the issue of compliance with a subpoena from this committee, then the recent election clearly mooted every aspect of penalties or consequences related to ignoring the subpoena.\nIt's like a big brother was called over and little bro wanted him to force his adversary to bow and kiss the ground. But by the time big bro finally wanders over, the kid goes \"nah... we're good.\"\nA lot of folk like to believe contempt of court or contempt of congress is like any other crime where you do the deed and have to face the punishment. But, in general, these things do not work like crimes. Even where contempt has been codified such that there is a criminal contempt aspect, the goal remains to seek or to force compliance. This leads to \"punishments\" which are better or worse depending on how you view things. A simple view is that you could be \"sentenced\" to indefinite incarceration because it's a \"jailed until compliance\" thing.\nIn this case, Congress has been very, very reticent to try to use their inherent power to jail someone. So the most they ever do these days is refer the case to the DoJ to pursue criminal contempt of congress.\nAll in all, is this a \"good\" thing? Maybe it's not as bad as we feel it to be. Imagine any sort of argument where someone demands you do something. You retort \"are you sure?\" Bystanders urge folk cool down and think about it. Map that into the way Congress changes every two years and you get a sense that unless something is important enough that it remains after the public alters the composition of the legislative branch, maybe it's not all that important (to the public) after all.\nOn the other hand, why would anyone fear Congress when they demonstrate time and again there never really are any consequences for refusal to comply with subpoenas? But... do we want to quake in fear whenever some nutjob party gains control and enacts something as dire as the Committee on Unamerican Activities?",
">\n\nWhat is the advantage of dropping the subpoena, as opposed to just letting it expire/letting the new congress withdraw it? Why go on record saying he no longer has to come in? I get that he was never going to show, I’m just curious why this is better than the alternative.",
">\n\nI’m wondering this too. There has to be a good reason.",
">\n\n?? Why, like it had no power, but still why? This looks like weakness",
">\n\nThe subpoena expires when the new congress is sworn in on Jan 3rd. There was no practical way to enforce it.",
">\n\nWhy not just let it expire?\nNow Republicans have a talking point that the January 6th Committee withdrew their subpoena.\nThey'll use it to muddy the waters and spread more misinformation.",
">\n\nThey already had their talking points. They've had them the whole time. They already released a \"counter report\" to the J6 committee. The committee withdrew it because they are closing up shop. The report is out. Where would Donnie's answers go?",
">\n\nWhy was he not charged with contempt for no show? Once again, he gets let off for bad behaviour",
">\n\nBecause they referred him for 4 much more serious crimes with longer sentences. Referring him for this is essentially pointless.",
">\n\nYes, but i see it as another nail in the coffin, and also sends a message that subpoenas are not to be ignored",
">\n\nImagine if you or I tried to just ignore a subpoena.",
">\n\nIt’s OK if you’re a Republican, as the war criminal’s daughter who voted in line with Trump’s policies during her House tenure can attest.",
">\n\nAnother instance of unequal justice under the law, imo. If you or I disregarded a subpoena from Congress we'd be going to jail...like Steve Bannon.",
">\n\nDrag it out, do nothing, repeat. Glad the J6 group produced a ton of info and exposed a lot of the bs but what's the point of nothing really happens? Media circus? I'm so tired.",
">\n\nGreat precedent. It's good to know if I'm ever subpoenaed by congress I can just ignore it.",
">\n\nJ6 knew he'd puss out and just wanted to get it on the record. And for the same reason they haven't gone after Meadows for ignoring his subpoena, are all of the other serious crimes hanging over him and the orange Traitor in Chief, especially now, the subpoenas aren't worth the time and effort.",
">\n\n\nAnd for the same reason they haven't gone after Meadows for ignoring his subpoena\n\nTo be fair... the House voted him in criminal contempt and sent the referral to that to the DoJ. There wasn't really anything they could do beyond that with respect to his subpoena (yes, inherent contempt in theory exists, in practice it would have been useless for multiple reasons).\nMeadows is also included in the big criminal referrals the committee issued as part of their report as well.",
">\n\nAs usual, this country’s justice system is a joke",
">\n\nThis was a subpoena issued by the congress, not DOJ. He would be arrested if this was subpoena by DOJ and he didn’t show.",
">\n\nLike I said lol this country’s justice system is a joke",
">\n\nBut the justice system has not been involved yet!!! Congressional hearing is not an example of the justice system. The congress has referred the case to the DOJ or “the justice system” as a result of their hearing. DOJ will pursue a criminal investigation and pursue charges. \nJudiciary (justice system as you call it), congress, and executive branches are constitutionally separate and independent to ensure checks and balances.\nJustice system in the US is not ideal, but this specific instance is not an example of these inefficiencies. This is an example of how the congress has been ineffective in doing their legislative actions. In this instance the correct statement would be “Legislative system in this country is a joke.” Justice system has not had a chance to show its incompetence yet. That will be next.",
">\n\nNaive of you to think this is anything more than a show they’re putting on. Nothing will come of it, democrats are by nature pussies let’s be real. None have any teeth or claws. The right is full of a bunch of tribalistic monkeys, party is apparently more important than country. I guess I can rephrase, besides making money and being the best business in the world, America is a joke.",
">\n\n\"OMG. I'm so outraged by this even though I have no idea why.\"\nIt'd be nice if you guys learned the difference between the subpoena and the criminal referral. trump was never going to show up for the subpoena especially since the GOP is about to take control. It's a completely moot point.",
">\n\nExactly. The committee already referred him to the DoJ on criminal charges. Everyone is acting like they're just taking their ball and going home. They already went well and beyond a mere subpoena here, and one of the charges that they're recommending is obstruction already.",
">\n\nAren’t subpoenas mandatory with consequences? Either you show up or go to jail. Trump did neither.",
">\n\nNot if you are rich. Laws are you only for the the lower 90%",
">\n\nThis is such bullshit.",
">\n\nAnother precedent set for rich criminals to not comply. If we citizens didn’t show we’d be at a black site with electrodes on our genitals.",
">\n\nThey should have charged Trump with contempt of Congress.",
">\n\nSo whens the next uprising on behalf of rich people? Just be sure you're actually a political player because if you're just a worker you'll be charged. Chess has really changed over the past hundred years.",
">\n\nTotally expected. \nTrump, the really TV star, said he'd only agree to answer the subpoena if it were live & televised. It's quite obvious the reason is that he'd ignore the questioning & use the free air time to spew his BS, much like in the Presidential debates. \nAnd I'm sure the incoming Republican House would have loved to have given him the opportunity",
">\n\nyeah kinda moot at this point , they already made those criminal referrals anyways lol i wish they would have perused charging him for not showing up however but maybe they figured in light of everything they should focus on the key issues and at this point whatever he had to say really doesnt matter anyways as he would just lie. his testimony would pretty much be useless. its still a shame we didnt get to see it just for historys sake lol",
">\n\nAl trump would do is take the 5th like any other ordinary criminal",
">\n\nSo far as things have gone, will it now be ok for Democrats to ignore all the subpoenas that this next R House is going to send around? I’d think so….",
">\n\nOur government has failed us.... Good luck everyone.",
">\n\nAh yes the criminal Justice system, quite possibly the longest running joke in America",
">\n\n& you just know the cheeto will say something like, ha!, they dropped the subpoena cause they knew I am innocent, or some 💩 like that",
">\n\nNo surprise there. Trump is above the law, as he has proven time and again, over and over throughout the last several years. \nI will be surprised if anything comes out of this investigation, at all. \nI will be surprised if the next republican president isn't worse than Trump. \nI mean seriously, how do they convict him of anything if they can't even call him for questioning. Ever heard of anyone, ever, to get convicted of a crime that didn't have to talk to investigators at some point? \nFuck America. Fuck Trump. And fuck the pussy ass people who refuse to do their fucking job.",
">\n\nThey dropped it because it wasn't necessary and would have given him a national platform needlessly. DOJ will pass to the special council which will bring formal charges, if any will be brought.",
">\n\nThis is actually heartbreaking. Seen a lot of politicians and people of note show time and time again that the rules for EVERY CITIZEN don’t apply to them and this stings just a little more",
">\n\nMy theory that he is blackmailing everyone from the White House down with Area 51 malarky is still holding water...",
">\n\nLet us all start committing crimes and see how that goes, this is bs",
">\n\nSuch bs. I knew he would sleeze his way out of any consequences for his actions. This will only embolden him & his lunatic followers. He incites a riot that kills people & gets away with it. If any of us incited a riot, we would still be in jail & if people died during the riot, we would be charged with murder as well. So sick & tired of the double standard when it comes to a president who breaks the law & walks away, just like nixon did.",
">\n\nshould not have dropped\nshould have referred it to doj for contempt of congress...\nwhite rich continue to get a pass for what the rest of us would have long ago been prosecuted and imprisoned...",
">\n\nThey already referred him to DOJ for obstruction of a govt proceeding last week. What are you talking about?",
">\n\nYeah, because why would you want to subpoena the guy who was completely responsible for the entire thing?\nThe Chuck Schumer neoliberals have engineered this to completely let Trump get away with it - because they think the Republicans are still their friends and they don't want to piss them off!",
">\n\nThey subpoenaed trump months ago. He declined to show. Since, investigation is over, they dropped it. This is not even really news worthy.",
">\n\nHalf the people in this thread have no idea what they're talking about and are confusing the subpoena with the criminal referral.",
">\n\nOh, is that what's going on? Lol. I was wondering why ppl are making a big deal about this. This is just the committee cleaning up loose ends.",
">\n\nIt's a big deal if someone who's now a private citizen, can do wtf he wants and ignore a Congressional subpoena.",
">\n\nIt takes votes by congress to hold in contempt. They didn't need trump's testimony. He would just show up and repeat I plead the 5th anyway. Pence ignored his, too. It's pointless to hold them in contempt and get off focus of actual investigation.",
">\n\nYou're proving my point. Congressional Democrats should have enforced the subpoena and made Trump plead the 5th to every question. Imagine if Pence also appeared and pled the 5th to every question. That is political magic for the Democrats, it makes them look guilty as hell.\nTrump committed a crime, and this is America. It should be the same as if I committed a crime. We would get arrested, taken to jail until the morning, see a judge and face our charges, and then either get released on OR, held for trial, or bail set. It's not much of a democracy if laws are not enforced against powerful people.",
">\n\nOnce you all realize this is just a game and you’re the pawn things will make a lot more sense.",
">\n\nNow hear him cry about never getting a chance to testify when he’s charged.",
">\n\nI see this less as a “you’re excused” and more of a “see you in court”",
">\n\nNo need to bother with it when they've already finished their work. The only thing that testimony would have accomplished would have been getting Trump to look bad on national television, and a potential perjury charge. Trump already has embarrassed himself in public in a massive way since then, and they have bigger crimes to recommend to the DOJ for prosecution.",
">\n\nThe moment they announced the subpoena everyone got a hard on that trump would have to talk. I said it then and I’ll say it again, trump will never have to face any punishment and he doesn’t have to comply to any law or rules. They’re all more suggestions instead of laws.",
">\n\nWhat a waste of fucking time",
">\n\nSo......this was a big fat waste of time and money?",
">\n\nI mean they made a criminal referral so, no? The committee wasn’t set up to solely investigate Dolt 45 and took the testimony of over a thousand people, why is it you believe withdrawing one subpoena because the committee is winding down renders the entire process a “waste of time and money.”",
">\n\nNo mention on CNN that they dropped the subpoena after a year of January 6 January 6 January 6 terrible news station",
">\n\nWell, it’s being run by a Republican so go figure",
">\n\nTalk about the wheels of justice turning slow. In this case reversing altogether. Well done.",
">\n\nI wish this surprised me.",
">\n\nLOL God this is so funny\nWhat the fuck did y'all expect if you have money you are above the law. It only applies to the poor and those who step on the toes of capital.",
">\n\nWhat a waste of money",
">\n\n...And a Happy New Year!",
">\n\nClassic",
">\n\nShocking",
">\n\nOur governing body are a bunch of cowards. The US is being safeguarded by self-interested Congresspersons who speak about accountability and act on cowardice.",
">\n\nLet's be honest he'll get away with everything with a slap on the wrist. This country won't prosecute a sitting or former president or high ranking politician, we've seen this over and over. The whole committee is sadly a publicity stunt to gain traction for Democrat's. I hope I'm completely wrong of course and that this country will start to feel like it's a democracy.",
">\n\nThe coup is in effect.",
">\n\nI have a sad feeling this committee is going to end up like a fart in the wind",
">\n\nYou’re not wrong",
">\n\nWtf are you talking about?",
">\n\nHands",
">\n\nWho are you talking to? Lmao",
">\n\nWent out with a whimper. The most Democrat thing ever.\nWish the Dems would learn how to take the gloves off, at least they would have a shot against an opponent that has no problems filling their gloves with lead shot. Then bragging about it.",
">\n\nThe subpoena, and associated contempt charges would be nothing when compared to the recommendations made by the committee to the DOJ. Whether or not the DOJ will act is all that matters at this point.",
">\n\nPathetic pieces of shit",
">\n\nAll theatre, all the time. Seems like by now, to most people, that somehow being trolled by their favorite elected might be possible.",
">\n\nSo wait, he just gets away with everything? Just like that?\nWhat about all the articles saying that Trump will most likely spend the rest of his life in prison?",
">\n\nThe subpoena has nothing to do with the recommendations made by the committee to the DOJ. The ball is in the DOJ’s court. The subpoena doesn’t impact anything. Absurd that he didn’t get held in contempt, but that is more of a distraction than anything.",
">\n\nI see. Thanks for explaining!",
">\n\nCan anyone explain why he was not arrested for not responding to the subpoena? I thought you had to respond to these?",
">\n\nFirst they would have had to vote for contempt. Then they would need to issue a referral to DOJ, then DOJ would need to consider it. That is not happening in a week before the new congress is sworn in an this committee expires. They have issued their report and no longer need to speak to him. That is why it was withdrawn. Their job is done.",
">\n\nSubpoenas are real, or they’re not.\nIn the real world if any person defied or ignored a subpoena they would be arrested immediately.\nWhy are some Americans allowed to break the law in broad daylight.",
">\n\nWhy is the DOJ dragging its feet in charging anyone?",
">\n\nDOJ has charged over 700 people out of January 6 and they continue to charge cases. Most of these cases took months if not years to come to fruition.\nAt the end of the day DOJ has no obligation to act on any of the committee’s referrals, although I believe they already have ongoing investigations as to several of the subjects. If anything new comes out of the committee’s work it’s unlikely to happen soon.",
">\n\nThe US is beyond broken. The wealthy can do whatever they want while we are the only ones who face consequences. I can’t wait to leave this shithole again. I won’t be making the mistake of coming back like I did last year.",
">\n\nSuch a farce",
">\n\nBut he wanted to appear!!",
">\n\nThe walls are closing in.",
">\n\nOk, people. Quit guilt-edging and go home.",
">\n\nWait so what is Trump a dastardly super villain who keeps getting away or a dumb oaf. You guys just can't decide.",
">\n\nI can’t wait until nothing happens!\nHas it happened yet?",
">\n\n“All animals are equal but some animals are more equal than others.” \nHey, do you think Reddit will ever reach a state of Nirvana where it will stop claiming “Trump is really sweating now!”?",
">\n\nDoes this not set some sort of precedence? If I now get subpoenaed for something can I not just point to Trump/Barr/Holder and say “no thank you”?",
">\n\nWithdrawing a subpoena sets no precedent and is not at all uncommon.",
">\n\nThe subpoena was issued quite some time ago wasn’t it? And he just flat refused. Were Barr and Holder’s also withdrawn?",
">\n\nI saw the headline and thought the committee dropped a subpoena the way you drop an album. Then I read the article and saw that they dropped it like you drop an extra filler track from an album.",
">\n\nIt would have been a waste of time anyway. \n\"Mr. Trump, did you tell your supporters that the election was stolen and send your supporters to violently break into the capitol building to stop Joe Biden from becoming president\"? - January 6th Committee \n\"The fifth\"! - Trump\nDOJ do your job to save this nation from tyranny and further destruction!🙏",
">\n\nSurprised pikachu face",
">\n\nBut these are the same people that wanted peaceful blm protestors bathed in their own blood? What point do we all take this into our own hands",
">\n\nOh, wow. This is really bad for you, US. Like ultra super deluxe so very not good.",
">\n\nLmao…\n“ThE WaLLs arE cLoSIng in”",
">\n\nwell duh...\npolitics from the beginning",
">\n\nWhat an absolute joke.",
">\n\nInb4 trump takes this decision and expresses it as: “completely exonerated!!!”",
">\n\nThey don’t need his testimony. As if he would ever go anywhere close to a government building after the committee’s final report. Just let him relax to make it easier to arrest him",
">\n\nfucking why?",
">\n\nIsn’t the rule that if you don’t comply with a congressional subpoena you can be held in contempt and fined or jailed? Can the House sergeant-at-arms arrest the person?",
">\n\nWow, naw fuck this.",
">\n\nHe wouldn't show up anyways...🐣",
">\n\nTFG is so slippery, Teflon wouldn't stick",
">\n\nNothing will truly come to fruition until we go out into the streets and force this issue ourselves."
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"So far Trump's legal strategy of ignoring calls for accountability until Republicans in Congress can bail him out is workingly flawlessly.",
">\n\nThat doesn’t mean the DoJ can’t charge and prosecute. \nRight now everything is in response to republicans getting their slim majority in the house and lessen the damage they will do.\nThat said, they still have the mountain of evidence they did gather",
">\n\nWhat about when the AG/DOJ is a GOP appointee? You don’t think they’ll just put in a Bill Barr type on the entire thing?",
">\n\nNot while they have a democratic president and especially when the previous president lost them the midterms.\nThey were already planning on replacing trump with Desantes by equating the 2 (Martha’s Vineyard was part of that), they’re only gonna lose trying to put their party’s future on the line protect him further.\nThey gonna continue to spread doubt and try to discredit the investigations, but they’re barely holding onto a branch of government, they’re not stupid. Barr only worked because they held onto 2",
">\n\nUmmm that’s not what I meant. If a GOP candidate for President wins in 2024 , what are the actual legal implications. It’s not like it’s below them to interfere like they did with the collusion charges",
">\n\n\nThe House January 6 committee is withdrawing its subpoena of former President Donald Trump as it concludes its work.\n“In light of the imminent end of our investigation, the Select Committee can no longer pursue the specific information covered by the subpoena,” Chairman Bennie Thompson, a Mississippi Democrat, wrote in a letter to Trump’s attorney Wednesday obtained by CNN.\n“Therefore, through this letter, I hereby formally withdraw the subpoena issued to former President Trump, and notify you that he is no longer obligated to comply or produce records in response to said subpoena,” Thompson added.",
">\n\nConclusion: Former president Trump is above the law.",
">\n\nYeah kind of makes me sad. Trump can just ignore a subpoena, with zero consequences. \n“We believe you tried to overthrow the government. You are legally required to come talk to us about it.”\n“No thanks.”\n“Oh. Ok, never mind.”",
">\n\nNo consequences? He's has been referred to the DOJ for obstruction of a govt processing last week. They held a recorded vote.",
">\n\nThat’s not a consequence. It’s kicking the can. Trump will never, ever be held responsible for his role in destroying democracy in America.",
">\n\nThis is not TV or a movie. \"The wheels of justice grind slowly yet exceedingly fine\" is a saying for a reason. Federal investigations usually take years.",
">\n\nHe’s been investigated for years. No consequences. Just special appointments, investigations, and referrals. In the mean time, you know who DOES face consequences?\nAmerica.",
">\n\nYou are judging the end of the movie before it is over.\nThe previous investigations were being done while he had the shield of the presidency and an attorney general running obstruction for him. None of that is true now.",
">\n\nThe GOP will continue fighting on his behalf, because the majority are complicit in 45’s fuckery. Again, no consequences will be had. I’m willing to wager a gift card to your favorite local restaurant that he will live fat, rich, and free until at least the 2024/25 inauguration. Save this post.",
">\n\nWe'll see about that. I'll admit to the loss if thats the case.",
">\n\nMore proof that we the people have no rights in comparison to the billionaire ticks.",
">\n\nDude ain't no billionaire",
">\n\nNo, but his buddies are.",
">\n\nHis puppet masters maybe",
">\n\nI mean, who would have thought not starting the fight sooner would end like this?",
">\n\nDon’t worry. He’s got so many more coming.",
">\n\nThe idea that Trump will pay any price for his crimes is a fantasy.",
">\n\nIt’s actually happening. His company has been found guilty. His charity is closed. His cohorts are about to go to jail. His popularity sagging. Protection is gone. We just need the first indictment.",
">\n\nBut none is him",
">\n\nWell Trump Org is pretty much him but be patient.",
">\n\nDrops in the bucket. \nBeen patient for like 6 years now. How much more we gotta wait?",
">\n\nHe couldn’t be prosecuted while president. Watch GA and the special prosecutor. They’re moving fast.",
">\n\nCouldn't be?\nShould have been.",
">\n\nThat’s absolutely wild that any man is able to just straight up ignore a subpoena with zero consequences. Definition of “above the law”. If he gets away with this, he is going to be more dangerous than ever. You get away with leading a coup/insurrection, you’re going to assume you can get away with literally anything. \nMaybe trump was right… he really could shoot someone in the middle of 5th avenue and not lose any voters…and also probably not even get in trouble",
">\n\nSerious questions...so the committee pull the subpoena, but it's up to DOJ for any additional follow up, but when the new congress is in session they can tell DOJ to drop everything? Is that how's its going to go down? Because I thought DOJ is supposed to be independent once given the committee's findings?",
">\n\nThe DOJ is certainly independent of Congress. As for the committee - the only thing they would've done differently was vote on a criminal referral for contempt of Congress. Although there is some truth to congressional contempt needing to stem from congress, The DOJ has no obligation to act on a referral - it is more akin to a recommendation.\nWith that being said, the committee knew it wasn't going to serve any real benefit, so they decided not to.\n\nThe DOJ decided not to prosecute Meadows and Scavino for contempt due to their close ties to the executive. This pretty much ruled out any chance of it happening to Trump, a former President. \nEven a completely successful referral (Steve Bannon) showed how inconsequential Congressional subpoena power is. For one, it is a misdemeanor. It has been ~15 months since Bannon was referred, and he was found guilty and sentenced, and he is still a free man pending appeal. And even if upheld, it's only 4 months in prison as just shy of maximum sentencing guidelines. \nThe DOJ, if they prosecute, are aiming at much bigger crimes - notably Obstruction of an Official Proceeding, which carries up to 20 years. And they'd be potentially trying these crimes in the same jurisdiction.\n\nSo I'm sure the calculation was that it just wasn't worth throwing a referral at the DOJ for something they'd never follow up on, and wouldn't be much benefit if they did.",
">\n\nIn summary, he’s committed so many crimes that this one isn’t worth any effort",
">\n\nEssentially, yeah. The DOJ has two big chances to secure a conviction: Mar-A-Lago and Jan. 6 - and they will likely bring multiple charges in a D.C. court if they decide to prosecute. Mar-A-Lago will come first, which has virtually nothing to do with this committee's work.\nReferring a misdemeanor to tack onto 4 serious felonies they referred probably only risked muddying the larger offenses. Can't blame them honestly.",
">\n\nWhat is “Mar a Lago” in this context! The tax scheme? Classified documents?",
">\n\nThe classified documents",
">\n\nSmall point but they weren't all classified and don't need to be, for what he did to be illegal. Just trying to avoid republican framing.",
">\n\nHillary was not afraid to testify every time she was asked (and testified for hours and hours each time, answering all questions asked) and never took the 5th. Yet republicans act like she is the criminal when it always has been trump.",
">\n\nEven if she was wrong she was smarter than any of the R in the room. That woman was a machine during those hearings and gave them nothing to work with.",
">\n\nShe is definitely smarter than that barrel of monkeys who questioned her, but ultimately, there was nothing to get from her - the perfect opposite case of crimey benedict donald and his co-conspirators.",
">\n\nIt's interesting to see that people think this subpoena would have continued to exist past Jan 3, 2023 given that that's when ALL open subpoenas from the outgoing congress expire and become null and void. Even if the J6 committee continued to exist- they would be required to file a brand new one in the new session.",
">\n\nIt wouldn't be that hard to file a brand new subpoena, they have lawyers who work full-time for them. That isn't an obstacle.",
">\n\nExcept for the committee doesn't exist in the new Congress and they have no powers to do anything if they don't exist.",
">\n\nIt's easy to get the two confused a lot of times.",
">\n\nHow many of y'all actually thought he wasn't going to run out the clock? \nNothing will fundamentally change.",
">\n\nNobody. The “justice takes time” chorus that dominated the narrative was only here to quell social unrest so society didn’t take a dive while the rich mocked us from their golden pedestals.",
">\n\nSerious question: Why? So what if the Dems lose power in the Congress. Let the Republicans be the one to formally dismantle the committee and subpoena on record. Then when hopefully Trump is charged by the DOJ, dems have another talking point for 2024 that the Republicans hate law and order and protect mob bosses.",
">\n\nThe select committee expires at the end of the congressional session. So they do not need to question him because the committee will not exist.",
">\n\nBut what is the point of formally withdrawing the subpoena? What does it accomplish?",
">\n\nThe committee is over. They have issued the report, they are closing up shop. They are following the process. A secondary part of the committees job was to show how a REAL congressional hearing should be handled. None of that sloppy ass grandstanding they did for Benghazi",
">\n\nMy viewpoint is that Trump and the GOP are just going to use this as “proof” that he did nothing wrong. Remember how the Mueller report “exonerated” Trump? His base believes this shit wholeheartedly and I guarantee he will use this as “evidence” for his innocence.\nShowing how things SHOULD be handled instead of taking whatever measures needed to protect Americans lead to Jan 6th happening in the first place. We all know how things should be handled, how the rules should work, but one side is willing to do whatever they need to keep power and the other is getting walked over.\nIs taking the high road worth letting fascism into our government?",
">\n\nIt’s good to know that republicans are allowed to ignore subpoenas. That’s useful info for them. Don’t expect dems to get that treatment",
">\n\nThey dropped the ball in not issuing one a couple of months ago",
">\n\nActually the Democrats have done everything not to ever pick up the ball even once. They let trump appointed republicans appoint a republican special counsel to fall like a straw man to blatant obstruction in the Russia probe. They turned it into a fundraiser for campaigning. \nThis time they let liz Cheney take the reins, who was able to preserve her republican prerogatives throughout this entire ordeal. \nThe fact is that you're all being cucked by forces of controlled opposition and I'm apparently the only one in the world who can't be so easily mitigated.\nI can't depend on any of you anymore than you can depend on yourselves.",
">\n\nYou lost all credibility at the end when you said cuck and act like you’re the smartest person in the world. Be gone!",
">\n\nYeah, I don't know how anyone can be expected to be taken seriously using that whole sentence unironically.",
">\n\nI don't expect to be taken seriously whether I say it or not, yet the facts remain as I've described.",
">\n\nI didn’t see that coming, said absolutely no one.",
">\n\nWhy.",
">\n\nHUGE mistake. The committee will be dissolved by the GOPers in a couple weeks, and all this did was to give the Marmalade Moses another fake victory to rile up his lemmings.",
">\n\nIt’s funny because I say the same thing every time about trump never getting charged and I always get shit about it like BUT NO THIS TIME IS DIFFERENT. \nLmao right. Sure it is.",
">\n\nFucking same. This is just more “ammo” for his orange, shit spewing mouth.",
">\n\nThis guy is still getting more media coverage than the current potus two years into his term. Crazy.",
">\n\nIt does blow that he wasn't forced to comply with the subpoena but for people thinking what a bummer this seems like, the house is switching to a republican majority in like a week so it didn't make a whole lot of sense to leave an active subpoena on record knowing it would never be resolved. They likely knew he wasn't going to comply when it was issued only now its offical that it was officially issued, ignored by trump, and terminated. Who knows if the DOJ will eventually file but everyone pretty much already knew that little temper tantrum trump wasn't going to aid in his own house sedition investigation.",
">\n\nIf we restrict ourselves to the issue of compliance with a subpoena from this committee, then the recent election clearly mooted every aspect of penalties or consequences related to ignoring the subpoena.\nIt's like a big brother was called over and little bro wanted him to force his adversary to bow and kiss the ground. But by the time big bro finally wanders over, the kid goes \"nah... we're good.\"\nA lot of folk like to believe contempt of court or contempt of congress is like any other crime where you do the deed and have to face the punishment. But, in general, these things do not work like crimes. Even where contempt has been codified such that there is a criminal contempt aspect, the goal remains to seek or to force compliance. This leads to \"punishments\" which are better or worse depending on how you view things. A simple view is that you could be \"sentenced\" to indefinite incarceration because it's a \"jailed until compliance\" thing.\nIn this case, Congress has been very, very reticent to try to use their inherent power to jail someone. So the most they ever do these days is refer the case to the DoJ to pursue criminal contempt of congress.\nAll in all, is this a \"good\" thing? Maybe it's not as bad as we feel it to be. Imagine any sort of argument where someone demands you do something. You retort \"are you sure?\" Bystanders urge folk cool down and think about it. Map that into the way Congress changes every two years and you get a sense that unless something is important enough that it remains after the public alters the composition of the legislative branch, maybe it's not all that important (to the public) after all.\nOn the other hand, why would anyone fear Congress when they demonstrate time and again there never really are any consequences for refusal to comply with subpoenas? But... do we want to quake in fear whenever some nutjob party gains control and enacts something as dire as the Committee on Unamerican Activities?",
">\n\nWhat is the advantage of dropping the subpoena, as opposed to just letting it expire/letting the new congress withdraw it? Why go on record saying he no longer has to come in? I get that he was never going to show, I’m just curious why this is better than the alternative.",
">\n\nI’m wondering this too. There has to be a good reason.",
">\n\n?? Why, like it had no power, but still why? This looks like weakness",
">\n\nThe subpoena expires when the new congress is sworn in on Jan 3rd. There was no practical way to enforce it.",
">\n\nWhy not just let it expire?\nNow Republicans have a talking point that the January 6th Committee withdrew their subpoena.\nThey'll use it to muddy the waters and spread more misinformation.",
">\n\nThey already had their talking points. They've had them the whole time. They already released a \"counter report\" to the J6 committee. The committee withdrew it because they are closing up shop. The report is out. Where would Donnie's answers go?",
">\n\nWhy was he not charged with contempt for no show? Once again, he gets let off for bad behaviour",
">\n\nBecause they referred him for 4 much more serious crimes with longer sentences. Referring him for this is essentially pointless.",
">\n\nYes, but i see it as another nail in the coffin, and also sends a message that subpoenas are not to be ignored",
">\n\nImagine if you or I tried to just ignore a subpoena.",
">\n\nIt’s OK if you’re a Republican, as the war criminal’s daughter who voted in line with Trump’s policies during her House tenure can attest.",
">\n\nAnother instance of unequal justice under the law, imo. If you or I disregarded a subpoena from Congress we'd be going to jail...like Steve Bannon.",
">\n\nDrag it out, do nothing, repeat. Glad the J6 group produced a ton of info and exposed a lot of the bs but what's the point of nothing really happens? Media circus? I'm so tired.",
">\n\nGreat precedent. It's good to know if I'm ever subpoenaed by congress I can just ignore it.",
">\n\nJ6 knew he'd puss out and just wanted to get it on the record. And for the same reason they haven't gone after Meadows for ignoring his subpoena, are all of the other serious crimes hanging over him and the orange Traitor in Chief, especially now, the subpoenas aren't worth the time and effort.",
">\n\n\nAnd for the same reason they haven't gone after Meadows for ignoring his subpoena\n\nTo be fair... the House voted him in criminal contempt and sent the referral to that to the DoJ. There wasn't really anything they could do beyond that with respect to his subpoena (yes, inherent contempt in theory exists, in practice it would have been useless for multiple reasons).\nMeadows is also included in the big criminal referrals the committee issued as part of their report as well.",
">\n\nAs usual, this country’s justice system is a joke",
">\n\nThis was a subpoena issued by the congress, not DOJ. He would be arrested if this was subpoena by DOJ and he didn’t show.",
">\n\nLike I said lol this country’s justice system is a joke",
">\n\nBut the justice system has not been involved yet!!! Congressional hearing is not an example of the justice system. The congress has referred the case to the DOJ or “the justice system” as a result of their hearing. DOJ will pursue a criminal investigation and pursue charges. \nJudiciary (justice system as you call it), congress, and executive branches are constitutionally separate and independent to ensure checks and balances.\nJustice system in the US is not ideal, but this specific instance is not an example of these inefficiencies. This is an example of how the congress has been ineffective in doing their legislative actions. In this instance the correct statement would be “Legislative system in this country is a joke.” Justice system has not had a chance to show its incompetence yet. That will be next.",
">\n\nNaive of you to think this is anything more than a show they’re putting on. Nothing will come of it, democrats are by nature pussies let’s be real. None have any teeth or claws. The right is full of a bunch of tribalistic monkeys, party is apparently more important than country. I guess I can rephrase, besides making money and being the best business in the world, America is a joke.",
">\n\n\"OMG. I'm so outraged by this even though I have no idea why.\"\nIt'd be nice if you guys learned the difference between the subpoena and the criminal referral. trump was never going to show up for the subpoena especially since the GOP is about to take control. It's a completely moot point.",
">\n\nExactly. The committee already referred him to the DoJ on criminal charges. Everyone is acting like they're just taking their ball and going home. They already went well and beyond a mere subpoena here, and one of the charges that they're recommending is obstruction already.",
">\n\nAren’t subpoenas mandatory with consequences? Either you show up or go to jail. Trump did neither.",
">\n\nNot if you are rich. Laws are you only for the the lower 90%",
">\n\nThis is such bullshit.",
">\n\nAnother precedent set for rich criminals to not comply. If we citizens didn’t show we’d be at a black site with electrodes on our genitals.",
">\n\nThey should have charged Trump with contempt of Congress.",
">\n\nSo whens the next uprising on behalf of rich people? Just be sure you're actually a political player because if you're just a worker you'll be charged. Chess has really changed over the past hundred years.",
">\n\nTotally expected. \nTrump, the really TV star, said he'd only agree to answer the subpoena if it were live & televised. It's quite obvious the reason is that he'd ignore the questioning & use the free air time to spew his BS, much like in the Presidential debates. \nAnd I'm sure the incoming Republican House would have loved to have given him the opportunity",
">\n\nyeah kinda moot at this point , they already made those criminal referrals anyways lol i wish they would have perused charging him for not showing up however but maybe they figured in light of everything they should focus on the key issues and at this point whatever he had to say really doesnt matter anyways as he would just lie. his testimony would pretty much be useless. its still a shame we didnt get to see it just for historys sake lol",
">\n\nAl trump would do is take the 5th like any other ordinary criminal",
">\n\nSo far as things have gone, will it now be ok for Democrats to ignore all the subpoenas that this next R House is going to send around? I’d think so….",
">\n\nOur government has failed us.... Good luck everyone.",
">\n\nAh yes the criminal Justice system, quite possibly the longest running joke in America",
">\n\n& you just know the cheeto will say something like, ha!, they dropped the subpoena cause they knew I am innocent, or some 💩 like that",
">\n\nNo surprise there. Trump is above the law, as he has proven time and again, over and over throughout the last several years. \nI will be surprised if anything comes out of this investigation, at all. \nI will be surprised if the next republican president isn't worse than Trump. \nI mean seriously, how do they convict him of anything if they can't even call him for questioning. Ever heard of anyone, ever, to get convicted of a crime that didn't have to talk to investigators at some point? \nFuck America. Fuck Trump. And fuck the pussy ass people who refuse to do their fucking job.",
">\n\nThey dropped it because it wasn't necessary and would have given him a national platform needlessly. DOJ will pass to the special council which will bring formal charges, if any will be brought.",
">\n\nThis is actually heartbreaking. Seen a lot of politicians and people of note show time and time again that the rules for EVERY CITIZEN don’t apply to them and this stings just a little more",
">\n\nMy theory that he is blackmailing everyone from the White House down with Area 51 malarky is still holding water...",
">\n\nLet us all start committing crimes and see how that goes, this is bs",
">\n\nSuch bs. I knew he would sleeze his way out of any consequences for his actions. This will only embolden him & his lunatic followers. He incites a riot that kills people & gets away with it. If any of us incited a riot, we would still be in jail & if people died during the riot, we would be charged with murder as well. So sick & tired of the double standard when it comes to a president who breaks the law & walks away, just like nixon did.",
">\n\nshould not have dropped\nshould have referred it to doj for contempt of congress...\nwhite rich continue to get a pass for what the rest of us would have long ago been prosecuted and imprisoned...",
">\n\nThey already referred him to DOJ for obstruction of a govt proceeding last week. What are you talking about?",
">\n\nYeah, because why would you want to subpoena the guy who was completely responsible for the entire thing?\nThe Chuck Schumer neoliberals have engineered this to completely let Trump get away with it - because they think the Republicans are still their friends and they don't want to piss them off!",
">\n\nThey subpoenaed trump months ago. He declined to show. Since, investigation is over, they dropped it. This is not even really news worthy.",
">\n\nHalf the people in this thread have no idea what they're talking about and are confusing the subpoena with the criminal referral.",
">\n\nOh, is that what's going on? Lol. I was wondering why ppl are making a big deal about this. This is just the committee cleaning up loose ends.",
">\n\nIt's a big deal if someone who's now a private citizen, can do wtf he wants and ignore a Congressional subpoena.",
">\n\nIt takes votes by congress to hold in contempt. They didn't need trump's testimony. He would just show up and repeat I plead the 5th anyway. Pence ignored his, too. It's pointless to hold them in contempt and get off focus of actual investigation.",
">\n\nYou're proving my point. Congressional Democrats should have enforced the subpoena and made Trump plead the 5th to every question. Imagine if Pence also appeared and pled the 5th to every question. That is political magic for the Democrats, it makes them look guilty as hell.\nTrump committed a crime, and this is America. It should be the same as if I committed a crime. We would get arrested, taken to jail until the morning, see a judge and face our charges, and then either get released on OR, held for trial, or bail set. It's not much of a democracy if laws are not enforced against powerful people.",
">\n\nOnce you all realize this is just a game and you’re the pawn things will make a lot more sense.",
">\n\nNow hear him cry about never getting a chance to testify when he’s charged.",
">\n\nI see this less as a “you’re excused” and more of a “see you in court”",
">\n\nNo need to bother with it when they've already finished their work. The only thing that testimony would have accomplished would have been getting Trump to look bad on national television, and a potential perjury charge. Trump already has embarrassed himself in public in a massive way since then, and they have bigger crimes to recommend to the DOJ for prosecution.",
">\n\nThe moment they announced the subpoena everyone got a hard on that trump would have to talk. I said it then and I’ll say it again, trump will never have to face any punishment and he doesn’t have to comply to any law or rules. They’re all more suggestions instead of laws.",
">\n\nWhat a waste of fucking time",
">\n\nSo......this was a big fat waste of time and money?",
">\n\nI mean they made a criminal referral so, no? The committee wasn’t set up to solely investigate Dolt 45 and took the testimony of over a thousand people, why is it you believe withdrawing one subpoena because the committee is winding down renders the entire process a “waste of time and money.”",
">\n\nNo mention on CNN that they dropped the subpoena after a year of January 6 January 6 January 6 terrible news station",
">\n\nWell, it’s being run by a Republican so go figure",
">\n\nTalk about the wheels of justice turning slow. In this case reversing altogether. Well done.",
">\n\nI wish this surprised me.",
">\n\nLOL God this is so funny\nWhat the fuck did y'all expect if you have money you are above the law. It only applies to the poor and those who step on the toes of capital.",
">\n\nWhat a waste of money",
">\n\n...And a Happy New Year!",
">\n\nClassic",
">\n\nShocking",
">\n\nOur governing body are a bunch of cowards. The US is being safeguarded by self-interested Congresspersons who speak about accountability and act on cowardice.",
">\n\nLet's be honest he'll get away with everything with a slap on the wrist. This country won't prosecute a sitting or former president or high ranking politician, we've seen this over and over. The whole committee is sadly a publicity stunt to gain traction for Democrat's. I hope I'm completely wrong of course and that this country will start to feel like it's a democracy.",
">\n\nThe coup is in effect.",
">\n\nI have a sad feeling this committee is going to end up like a fart in the wind",
">\n\nYou’re not wrong",
">\n\nWtf are you talking about?",
">\n\nHands",
">\n\nWho are you talking to? Lmao",
">\n\nWent out with a whimper. The most Democrat thing ever.\nWish the Dems would learn how to take the gloves off, at least they would have a shot against an opponent that has no problems filling their gloves with lead shot. Then bragging about it.",
">\n\nThe subpoena, and associated contempt charges would be nothing when compared to the recommendations made by the committee to the DOJ. Whether or not the DOJ will act is all that matters at this point.",
">\n\nPathetic pieces of shit",
">\n\nAll theatre, all the time. Seems like by now, to most people, that somehow being trolled by their favorite elected might be possible.",
">\n\nSo wait, he just gets away with everything? Just like that?\nWhat about all the articles saying that Trump will most likely spend the rest of his life in prison?",
">\n\nThe subpoena has nothing to do with the recommendations made by the committee to the DOJ. The ball is in the DOJ’s court. The subpoena doesn’t impact anything. Absurd that he didn’t get held in contempt, but that is more of a distraction than anything.",
">\n\nI see. Thanks for explaining!",
">\n\nCan anyone explain why he was not arrested for not responding to the subpoena? I thought you had to respond to these?",
">\n\nFirst they would have had to vote for contempt. Then they would need to issue a referral to DOJ, then DOJ would need to consider it. That is not happening in a week before the new congress is sworn in an this committee expires. They have issued their report and no longer need to speak to him. That is why it was withdrawn. Their job is done.",
">\n\nSubpoenas are real, or they’re not.\nIn the real world if any person defied or ignored a subpoena they would be arrested immediately.\nWhy are some Americans allowed to break the law in broad daylight.",
">\n\nWhy is the DOJ dragging its feet in charging anyone?",
">\n\nDOJ has charged over 700 people out of January 6 and they continue to charge cases. Most of these cases took months if not years to come to fruition.\nAt the end of the day DOJ has no obligation to act on any of the committee’s referrals, although I believe they already have ongoing investigations as to several of the subjects. If anything new comes out of the committee’s work it’s unlikely to happen soon.",
">\n\nThe US is beyond broken. The wealthy can do whatever they want while we are the only ones who face consequences. I can’t wait to leave this shithole again. I won’t be making the mistake of coming back like I did last year.",
">\n\nSuch a farce",
">\n\nBut he wanted to appear!!",
">\n\nThe walls are closing in.",
">\n\nOk, people. Quit guilt-edging and go home.",
">\n\nWait so what is Trump a dastardly super villain who keeps getting away or a dumb oaf. You guys just can't decide.",
">\n\nI can’t wait until nothing happens!\nHas it happened yet?",
">\n\n“All animals are equal but some animals are more equal than others.” \nHey, do you think Reddit will ever reach a state of Nirvana where it will stop claiming “Trump is really sweating now!”?",
">\n\nDoes this not set some sort of precedence? If I now get subpoenaed for something can I not just point to Trump/Barr/Holder and say “no thank you”?",
">\n\nWithdrawing a subpoena sets no precedent and is not at all uncommon.",
">\n\nThe subpoena was issued quite some time ago wasn’t it? And he just flat refused. Were Barr and Holder’s also withdrawn?",
">\n\nI saw the headline and thought the committee dropped a subpoena the way you drop an album. Then I read the article and saw that they dropped it like you drop an extra filler track from an album.",
">\n\nIt would have been a waste of time anyway. \n\"Mr. Trump, did you tell your supporters that the election was stolen and send your supporters to violently break into the capitol building to stop Joe Biden from becoming president\"? - January 6th Committee \n\"The fifth\"! - Trump\nDOJ do your job to save this nation from tyranny and further destruction!🙏",
">\n\nSurprised pikachu face",
">\n\nBut these are the same people that wanted peaceful blm protestors bathed in their own blood? What point do we all take this into our own hands",
">\n\nOh, wow. This is really bad for you, US. Like ultra super deluxe so very not good.",
">\n\nLmao…\n“ThE WaLLs arE cLoSIng in”",
">\n\nwell duh...\npolitics from the beginning",
">\n\nWhat an absolute joke.",
">\n\nInb4 trump takes this decision and expresses it as: “completely exonerated!!!”",
">\n\nThey don’t need his testimony. As if he would ever go anywhere close to a government building after the committee’s final report. Just let him relax to make it easier to arrest him",
">\n\nfucking why?",
">\n\nIsn’t the rule that if you don’t comply with a congressional subpoena you can be held in contempt and fined or jailed? Can the House sergeant-at-arms arrest the person?",
">\n\nWow, naw fuck this.",
">\n\nHe wouldn't show up anyways...🐣",
">\n\nTFG is so slippery, Teflon wouldn't stick",
">\n\nNothing will truly come to fruition until we go out into the streets and force this issue ourselves.",
">\n\nWhat’s the point of that?"
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Sad, and utterly predictable.
Zero accountability is the death of liberty. Actual freedom means lawlessness, rather than being a nation of laws.
The GOP has now proved that no law matters, and that, like Russia, we are a nation governed by the biggest criminal.
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"So far Trump's legal strategy of ignoring calls for accountability until Republicans in Congress can bail him out is workingly flawlessly.",
">\n\nThat doesn’t mean the DoJ can’t charge and prosecute. \nRight now everything is in response to republicans getting their slim majority in the house and lessen the damage they will do.\nThat said, they still have the mountain of evidence they did gather",
">\n\nWhat about when the AG/DOJ is a GOP appointee? You don’t think they’ll just put in a Bill Barr type on the entire thing?",
">\n\nNot while they have a democratic president and especially when the previous president lost them the midterms.\nThey were already planning on replacing trump with Desantes by equating the 2 (Martha’s Vineyard was part of that), they’re only gonna lose trying to put their party’s future on the line protect him further.\nThey gonna continue to spread doubt and try to discredit the investigations, but they’re barely holding onto a branch of government, they’re not stupid. Barr only worked because they held onto 2",
">\n\nUmmm that’s not what I meant. If a GOP candidate for President wins in 2024 , what are the actual legal implications. It’s not like it’s below them to interfere like they did with the collusion charges",
">\n\n\nThe House January 6 committee is withdrawing its subpoena of former President Donald Trump as it concludes its work.\n“In light of the imminent end of our investigation, the Select Committee can no longer pursue the specific information covered by the subpoena,” Chairman Bennie Thompson, a Mississippi Democrat, wrote in a letter to Trump’s attorney Wednesday obtained by CNN.\n“Therefore, through this letter, I hereby formally withdraw the subpoena issued to former President Trump, and notify you that he is no longer obligated to comply or produce records in response to said subpoena,” Thompson added.",
">\n\nConclusion: Former president Trump is above the law.",
">\n\nYeah kind of makes me sad. Trump can just ignore a subpoena, with zero consequences. \n“We believe you tried to overthrow the government. You are legally required to come talk to us about it.”\n“No thanks.”\n“Oh. Ok, never mind.”",
">\n\nNo consequences? He's has been referred to the DOJ for obstruction of a govt processing last week. They held a recorded vote.",
">\n\nThat’s not a consequence. It’s kicking the can. Trump will never, ever be held responsible for his role in destroying democracy in America.",
">\n\nThis is not TV or a movie. \"The wheels of justice grind slowly yet exceedingly fine\" is a saying for a reason. Federal investigations usually take years.",
">\n\nHe’s been investigated for years. No consequences. Just special appointments, investigations, and referrals. In the mean time, you know who DOES face consequences?\nAmerica.",
">\n\nYou are judging the end of the movie before it is over.\nThe previous investigations were being done while he had the shield of the presidency and an attorney general running obstruction for him. None of that is true now.",
">\n\nThe GOP will continue fighting on his behalf, because the majority are complicit in 45’s fuckery. Again, no consequences will be had. I’m willing to wager a gift card to your favorite local restaurant that he will live fat, rich, and free until at least the 2024/25 inauguration. Save this post.",
">\n\nWe'll see about that. I'll admit to the loss if thats the case.",
">\n\nMore proof that we the people have no rights in comparison to the billionaire ticks.",
">\n\nDude ain't no billionaire",
">\n\nNo, but his buddies are.",
">\n\nHis puppet masters maybe",
">\n\nI mean, who would have thought not starting the fight sooner would end like this?",
">\n\nDon’t worry. He’s got so many more coming.",
">\n\nThe idea that Trump will pay any price for his crimes is a fantasy.",
">\n\nIt’s actually happening. His company has been found guilty. His charity is closed. His cohorts are about to go to jail. His popularity sagging. Protection is gone. We just need the first indictment.",
">\n\nBut none is him",
">\n\nWell Trump Org is pretty much him but be patient.",
">\n\nDrops in the bucket. \nBeen patient for like 6 years now. How much more we gotta wait?",
">\n\nHe couldn’t be prosecuted while president. Watch GA and the special prosecutor. They’re moving fast.",
">\n\nCouldn't be?\nShould have been.",
">\n\nThat’s absolutely wild that any man is able to just straight up ignore a subpoena with zero consequences. Definition of “above the law”. If he gets away with this, he is going to be more dangerous than ever. You get away with leading a coup/insurrection, you’re going to assume you can get away with literally anything. \nMaybe trump was right… he really could shoot someone in the middle of 5th avenue and not lose any voters…and also probably not even get in trouble",
">\n\nSerious questions...so the committee pull the subpoena, but it's up to DOJ for any additional follow up, but when the new congress is in session they can tell DOJ to drop everything? Is that how's its going to go down? Because I thought DOJ is supposed to be independent once given the committee's findings?",
">\n\nThe DOJ is certainly independent of Congress. As for the committee - the only thing they would've done differently was vote on a criminal referral for contempt of Congress. Although there is some truth to congressional contempt needing to stem from congress, The DOJ has no obligation to act on a referral - it is more akin to a recommendation.\nWith that being said, the committee knew it wasn't going to serve any real benefit, so they decided not to.\n\nThe DOJ decided not to prosecute Meadows and Scavino for contempt due to their close ties to the executive. This pretty much ruled out any chance of it happening to Trump, a former President. \nEven a completely successful referral (Steve Bannon) showed how inconsequential Congressional subpoena power is. For one, it is a misdemeanor. It has been ~15 months since Bannon was referred, and he was found guilty and sentenced, and he is still a free man pending appeal. And even if upheld, it's only 4 months in prison as just shy of maximum sentencing guidelines. \nThe DOJ, if they prosecute, are aiming at much bigger crimes - notably Obstruction of an Official Proceeding, which carries up to 20 years. And they'd be potentially trying these crimes in the same jurisdiction.\n\nSo I'm sure the calculation was that it just wasn't worth throwing a referral at the DOJ for something they'd never follow up on, and wouldn't be much benefit if they did.",
">\n\nIn summary, he’s committed so many crimes that this one isn’t worth any effort",
">\n\nEssentially, yeah. The DOJ has two big chances to secure a conviction: Mar-A-Lago and Jan. 6 - and they will likely bring multiple charges in a D.C. court if they decide to prosecute. Mar-A-Lago will come first, which has virtually nothing to do with this committee's work.\nReferring a misdemeanor to tack onto 4 serious felonies they referred probably only risked muddying the larger offenses. Can't blame them honestly.",
">\n\nWhat is “Mar a Lago” in this context! The tax scheme? Classified documents?",
">\n\nThe classified documents",
">\n\nSmall point but they weren't all classified and don't need to be, for what he did to be illegal. Just trying to avoid republican framing.",
">\n\nHillary was not afraid to testify every time she was asked (and testified for hours and hours each time, answering all questions asked) and never took the 5th. Yet republicans act like she is the criminal when it always has been trump.",
">\n\nEven if she was wrong she was smarter than any of the R in the room. That woman was a machine during those hearings and gave them nothing to work with.",
">\n\nShe is definitely smarter than that barrel of monkeys who questioned her, but ultimately, there was nothing to get from her - the perfect opposite case of crimey benedict donald and his co-conspirators.",
">\n\nIt's interesting to see that people think this subpoena would have continued to exist past Jan 3, 2023 given that that's when ALL open subpoenas from the outgoing congress expire and become null and void. Even if the J6 committee continued to exist- they would be required to file a brand new one in the new session.",
">\n\nIt wouldn't be that hard to file a brand new subpoena, they have lawyers who work full-time for them. That isn't an obstacle.",
">\n\nExcept for the committee doesn't exist in the new Congress and they have no powers to do anything if they don't exist.",
">\n\nIt's easy to get the two confused a lot of times.",
">\n\nHow many of y'all actually thought he wasn't going to run out the clock? \nNothing will fundamentally change.",
">\n\nNobody. The “justice takes time” chorus that dominated the narrative was only here to quell social unrest so society didn’t take a dive while the rich mocked us from their golden pedestals.",
">\n\nSerious question: Why? So what if the Dems lose power in the Congress. Let the Republicans be the one to formally dismantle the committee and subpoena on record. Then when hopefully Trump is charged by the DOJ, dems have another talking point for 2024 that the Republicans hate law and order and protect mob bosses.",
">\n\nThe select committee expires at the end of the congressional session. So they do not need to question him because the committee will not exist.",
">\n\nBut what is the point of formally withdrawing the subpoena? What does it accomplish?",
">\n\nThe committee is over. They have issued the report, they are closing up shop. They are following the process. A secondary part of the committees job was to show how a REAL congressional hearing should be handled. None of that sloppy ass grandstanding they did for Benghazi",
">\n\nMy viewpoint is that Trump and the GOP are just going to use this as “proof” that he did nothing wrong. Remember how the Mueller report “exonerated” Trump? His base believes this shit wholeheartedly and I guarantee he will use this as “evidence” for his innocence.\nShowing how things SHOULD be handled instead of taking whatever measures needed to protect Americans lead to Jan 6th happening in the first place. We all know how things should be handled, how the rules should work, but one side is willing to do whatever they need to keep power and the other is getting walked over.\nIs taking the high road worth letting fascism into our government?",
">\n\nIt’s good to know that republicans are allowed to ignore subpoenas. That’s useful info for them. Don’t expect dems to get that treatment",
">\n\nThey dropped the ball in not issuing one a couple of months ago",
">\n\nActually the Democrats have done everything not to ever pick up the ball even once. They let trump appointed republicans appoint a republican special counsel to fall like a straw man to blatant obstruction in the Russia probe. They turned it into a fundraiser for campaigning. \nThis time they let liz Cheney take the reins, who was able to preserve her republican prerogatives throughout this entire ordeal. \nThe fact is that you're all being cucked by forces of controlled opposition and I'm apparently the only one in the world who can't be so easily mitigated.\nI can't depend on any of you anymore than you can depend on yourselves.",
">\n\nYou lost all credibility at the end when you said cuck and act like you’re the smartest person in the world. Be gone!",
">\n\nYeah, I don't know how anyone can be expected to be taken seriously using that whole sentence unironically.",
">\n\nI don't expect to be taken seriously whether I say it or not, yet the facts remain as I've described.",
">\n\nI didn’t see that coming, said absolutely no one.",
">\n\nWhy.",
">\n\nHUGE mistake. The committee will be dissolved by the GOPers in a couple weeks, and all this did was to give the Marmalade Moses another fake victory to rile up his lemmings.",
">\n\nIt’s funny because I say the same thing every time about trump never getting charged and I always get shit about it like BUT NO THIS TIME IS DIFFERENT. \nLmao right. Sure it is.",
">\n\nFucking same. This is just more “ammo” for his orange, shit spewing mouth.",
">\n\nThis guy is still getting more media coverage than the current potus two years into his term. Crazy.",
">\n\nIt does blow that he wasn't forced to comply with the subpoena but for people thinking what a bummer this seems like, the house is switching to a republican majority in like a week so it didn't make a whole lot of sense to leave an active subpoena on record knowing it would never be resolved. They likely knew he wasn't going to comply when it was issued only now its offical that it was officially issued, ignored by trump, and terminated. Who knows if the DOJ will eventually file but everyone pretty much already knew that little temper tantrum trump wasn't going to aid in his own house sedition investigation.",
">\n\nIf we restrict ourselves to the issue of compliance with a subpoena from this committee, then the recent election clearly mooted every aspect of penalties or consequences related to ignoring the subpoena.\nIt's like a big brother was called over and little bro wanted him to force his adversary to bow and kiss the ground. But by the time big bro finally wanders over, the kid goes \"nah... we're good.\"\nA lot of folk like to believe contempt of court or contempt of congress is like any other crime where you do the deed and have to face the punishment. But, in general, these things do not work like crimes. Even where contempt has been codified such that there is a criminal contempt aspect, the goal remains to seek or to force compliance. This leads to \"punishments\" which are better or worse depending on how you view things. A simple view is that you could be \"sentenced\" to indefinite incarceration because it's a \"jailed until compliance\" thing.\nIn this case, Congress has been very, very reticent to try to use their inherent power to jail someone. So the most they ever do these days is refer the case to the DoJ to pursue criminal contempt of congress.\nAll in all, is this a \"good\" thing? Maybe it's not as bad as we feel it to be. Imagine any sort of argument where someone demands you do something. You retort \"are you sure?\" Bystanders urge folk cool down and think about it. Map that into the way Congress changes every two years and you get a sense that unless something is important enough that it remains after the public alters the composition of the legislative branch, maybe it's not all that important (to the public) after all.\nOn the other hand, why would anyone fear Congress when they demonstrate time and again there never really are any consequences for refusal to comply with subpoenas? But... do we want to quake in fear whenever some nutjob party gains control and enacts something as dire as the Committee on Unamerican Activities?",
">\n\nWhat is the advantage of dropping the subpoena, as opposed to just letting it expire/letting the new congress withdraw it? Why go on record saying he no longer has to come in? I get that he was never going to show, I’m just curious why this is better than the alternative.",
">\n\nI’m wondering this too. There has to be a good reason.",
">\n\n?? Why, like it had no power, but still why? This looks like weakness",
">\n\nThe subpoena expires when the new congress is sworn in on Jan 3rd. There was no practical way to enforce it.",
">\n\nWhy not just let it expire?\nNow Republicans have a talking point that the January 6th Committee withdrew their subpoena.\nThey'll use it to muddy the waters and spread more misinformation.",
">\n\nThey already had their talking points. They've had them the whole time. They already released a \"counter report\" to the J6 committee. The committee withdrew it because they are closing up shop. The report is out. Where would Donnie's answers go?",
">\n\nWhy was he not charged with contempt for no show? Once again, he gets let off for bad behaviour",
">\n\nBecause they referred him for 4 much more serious crimes with longer sentences. Referring him for this is essentially pointless.",
">\n\nYes, but i see it as another nail in the coffin, and also sends a message that subpoenas are not to be ignored",
">\n\nImagine if you or I tried to just ignore a subpoena.",
">\n\nIt’s OK if you’re a Republican, as the war criminal’s daughter who voted in line with Trump’s policies during her House tenure can attest.",
">\n\nAnother instance of unequal justice under the law, imo. If you or I disregarded a subpoena from Congress we'd be going to jail...like Steve Bannon.",
">\n\nDrag it out, do nothing, repeat. Glad the J6 group produced a ton of info and exposed a lot of the bs but what's the point of nothing really happens? Media circus? I'm so tired.",
">\n\nGreat precedent. It's good to know if I'm ever subpoenaed by congress I can just ignore it.",
">\n\nJ6 knew he'd puss out and just wanted to get it on the record. And for the same reason they haven't gone after Meadows for ignoring his subpoena, are all of the other serious crimes hanging over him and the orange Traitor in Chief, especially now, the subpoenas aren't worth the time and effort.",
">\n\n\nAnd for the same reason they haven't gone after Meadows for ignoring his subpoena\n\nTo be fair... the House voted him in criminal contempt and sent the referral to that to the DoJ. There wasn't really anything they could do beyond that with respect to his subpoena (yes, inherent contempt in theory exists, in practice it would have been useless for multiple reasons).\nMeadows is also included in the big criminal referrals the committee issued as part of their report as well.",
">\n\nAs usual, this country’s justice system is a joke",
">\n\nThis was a subpoena issued by the congress, not DOJ. He would be arrested if this was subpoena by DOJ and he didn’t show.",
">\n\nLike I said lol this country’s justice system is a joke",
">\n\nBut the justice system has not been involved yet!!! Congressional hearing is not an example of the justice system. The congress has referred the case to the DOJ or “the justice system” as a result of their hearing. DOJ will pursue a criminal investigation and pursue charges. \nJudiciary (justice system as you call it), congress, and executive branches are constitutionally separate and independent to ensure checks and balances.\nJustice system in the US is not ideal, but this specific instance is not an example of these inefficiencies. This is an example of how the congress has been ineffective in doing their legislative actions. In this instance the correct statement would be “Legislative system in this country is a joke.” Justice system has not had a chance to show its incompetence yet. That will be next.",
">\n\nNaive of you to think this is anything more than a show they’re putting on. Nothing will come of it, democrats are by nature pussies let’s be real. None have any teeth or claws. The right is full of a bunch of tribalistic monkeys, party is apparently more important than country. I guess I can rephrase, besides making money and being the best business in the world, America is a joke.",
">\n\n\"OMG. I'm so outraged by this even though I have no idea why.\"\nIt'd be nice if you guys learned the difference between the subpoena and the criminal referral. trump was never going to show up for the subpoena especially since the GOP is about to take control. It's a completely moot point.",
">\n\nExactly. The committee already referred him to the DoJ on criminal charges. Everyone is acting like they're just taking their ball and going home. They already went well and beyond a mere subpoena here, and one of the charges that they're recommending is obstruction already.",
">\n\nAren’t subpoenas mandatory with consequences? Either you show up or go to jail. Trump did neither.",
">\n\nNot if you are rich. Laws are you only for the the lower 90%",
">\n\nThis is such bullshit.",
">\n\nAnother precedent set for rich criminals to not comply. If we citizens didn’t show we’d be at a black site with electrodes on our genitals.",
">\n\nThey should have charged Trump with contempt of Congress.",
">\n\nSo whens the next uprising on behalf of rich people? Just be sure you're actually a political player because if you're just a worker you'll be charged. Chess has really changed over the past hundred years.",
">\n\nTotally expected. \nTrump, the really TV star, said he'd only agree to answer the subpoena if it were live & televised. It's quite obvious the reason is that he'd ignore the questioning & use the free air time to spew his BS, much like in the Presidential debates. \nAnd I'm sure the incoming Republican House would have loved to have given him the opportunity",
">\n\nyeah kinda moot at this point , they already made those criminal referrals anyways lol i wish they would have perused charging him for not showing up however but maybe they figured in light of everything they should focus on the key issues and at this point whatever he had to say really doesnt matter anyways as he would just lie. his testimony would pretty much be useless. its still a shame we didnt get to see it just for historys sake lol",
">\n\nAl trump would do is take the 5th like any other ordinary criminal",
">\n\nSo far as things have gone, will it now be ok for Democrats to ignore all the subpoenas that this next R House is going to send around? I’d think so….",
">\n\nOur government has failed us.... Good luck everyone.",
">\n\nAh yes the criminal Justice system, quite possibly the longest running joke in America",
">\n\n& you just know the cheeto will say something like, ha!, they dropped the subpoena cause they knew I am innocent, or some 💩 like that",
">\n\nNo surprise there. Trump is above the law, as he has proven time and again, over and over throughout the last several years. \nI will be surprised if anything comes out of this investigation, at all. \nI will be surprised if the next republican president isn't worse than Trump. \nI mean seriously, how do they convict him of anything if they can't even call him for questioning. Ever heard of anyone, ever, to get convicted of a crime that didn't have to talk to investigators at some point? \nFuck America. Fuck Trump. And fuck the pussy ass people who refuse to do their fucking job.",
">\n\nThey dropped it because it wasn't necessary and would have given him a national platform needlessly. DOJ will pass to the special council which will bring formal charges, if any will be brought.",
">\n\nThis is actually heartbreaking. Seen a lot of politicians and people of note show time and time again that the rules for EVERY CITIZEN don’t apply to them and this stings just a little more",
">\n\nMy theory that he is blackmailing everyone from the White House down with Area 51 malarky is still holding water...",
">\n\nLet us all start committing crimes and see how that goes, this is bs",
">\n\nSuch bs. I knew he would sleeze his way out of any consequences for his actions. This will only embolden him & his lunatic followers. He incites a riot that kills people & gets away with it. If any of us incited a riot, we would still be in jail & if people died during the riot, we would be charged with murder as well. So sick & tired of the double standard when it comes to a president who breaks the law & walks away, just like nixon did.",
">\n\nshould not have dropped\nshould have referred it to doj for contempt of congress...\nwhite rich continue to get a pass for what the rest of us would have long ago been prosecuted and imprisoned...",
">\n\nThey already referred him to DOJ for obstruction of a govt proceeding last week. What are you talking about?",
">\n\nYeah, because why would you want to subpoena the guy who was completely responsible for the entire thing?\nThe Chuck Schumer neoliberals have engineered this to completely let Trump get away with it - because they think the Republicans are still their friends and they don't want to piss them off!",
">\n\nThey subpoenaed trump months ago. He declined to show. Since, investigation is over, they dropped it. This is not even really news worthy.",
">\n\nHalf the people in this thread have no idea what they're talking about and are confusing the subpoena with the criminal referral.",
">\n\nOh, is that what's going on? Lol. I was wondering why ppl are making a big deal about this. This is just the committee cleaning up loose ends.",
">\n\nIt's a big deal if someone who's now a private citizen, can do wtf he wants and ignore a Congressional subpoena.",
">\n\nIt takes votes by congress to hold in contempt. They didn't need trump's testimony. He would just show up and repeat I plead the 5th anyway. Pence ignored his, too. It's pointless to hold them in contempt and get off focus of actual investigation.",
">\n\nYou're proving my point. Congressional Democrats should have enforced the subpoena and made Trump plead the 5th to every question. Imagine if Pence also appeared and pled the 5th to every question. That is political magic for the Democrats, it makes them look guilty as hell.\nTrump committed a crime, and this is America. It should be the same as if I committed a crime. We would get arrested, taken to jail until the morning, see a judge and face our charges, and then either get released on OR, held for trial, or bail set. It's not much of a democracy if laws are not enforced against powerful people.",
">\n\nOnce you all realize this is just a game and you’re the pawn things will make a lot more sense.",
">\n\nNow hear him cry about never getting a chance to testify when he’s charged.",
">\n\nI see this less as a “you’re excused” and more of a “see you in court”",
">\n\nNo need to bother with it when they've already finished their work. The only thing that testimony would have accomplished would have been getting Trump to look bad on national television, and a potential perjury charge. Trump already has embarrassed himself in public in a massive way since then, and they have bigger crimes to recommend to the DOJ for prosecution.",
">\n\nThe moment they announced the subpoena everyone got a hard on that trump would have to talk. I said it then and I’ll say it again, trump will never have to face any punishment and he doesn’t have to comply to any law or rules. They’re all more suggestions instead of laws.",
">\n\nWhat a waste of fucking time",
">\n\nSo......this was a big fat waste of time and money?",
">\n\nI mean they made a criminal referral so, no? The committee wasn’t set up to solely investigate Dolt 45 and took the testimony of over a thousand people, why is it you believe withdrawing one subpoena because the committee is winding down renders the entire process a “waste of time and money.”",
">\n\nNo mention on CNN that they dropped the subpoena after a year of January 6 January 6 January 6 terrible news station",
">\n\nWell, it’s being run by a Republican so go figure",
">\n\nTalk about the wheels of justice turning slow. In this case reversing altogether. Well done.",
">\n\nI wish this surprised me.",
">\n\nLOL God this is so funny\nWhat the fuck did y'all expect if you have money you are above the law. It only applies to the poor and those who step on the toes of capital.",
">\n\nWhat a waste of money",
">\n\n...And a Happy New Year!",
">\n\nClassic",
">\n\nShocking",
">\n\nOur governing body are a bunch of cowards. The US is being safeguarded by self-interested Congresspersons who speak about accountability and act on cowardice.",
">\n\nLet's be honest he'll get away with everything with a slap on the wrist. This country won't prosecute a sitting or former president or high ranking politician, we've seen this over and over. The whole committee is sadly a publicity stunt to gain traction for Democrat's. I hope I'm completely wrong of course and that this country will start to feel like it's a democracy.",
">\n\nThe coup is in effect.",
">\n\nI have a sad feeling this committee is going to end up like a fart in the wind",
">\n\nYou’re not wrong",
">\n\nWtf are you talking about?",
">\n\nHands",
">\n\nWho are you talking to? Lmao",
">\n\nWent out with a whimper. The most Democrat thing ever.\nWish the Dems would learn how to take the gloves off, at least they would have a shot against an opponent that has no problems filling their gloves with lead shot. Then bragging about it.",
">\n\nThe subpoena, and associated contempt charges would be nothing when compared to the recommendations made by the committee to the DOJ. Whether or not the DOJ will act is all that matters at this point.",
">\n\nPathetic pieces of shit",
">\n\nAll theatre, all the time. Seems like by now, to most people, that somehow being trolled by their favorite elected might be possible.",
">\n\nSo wait, he just gets away with everything? Just like that?\nWhat about all the articles saying that Trump will most likely spend the rest of his life in prison?",
">\n\nThe subpoena has nothing to do with the recommendations made by the committee to the DOJ. The ball is in the DOJ’s court. The subpoena doesn’t impact anything. Absurd that he didn’t get held in contempt, but that is more of a distraction than anything.",
">\n\nI see. Thanks for explaining!",
">\n\nCan anyone explain why he was not arrested for not responding to the subpoena? I thought you had to respond to these?",
">\n\nFirst they would have had to vote for contempt. Then they would need to issue a referral to DOJ, then DOJ would need to consider it. That is not happening in a week before the new congress is sworn in an this committee expires. They have issued their report and no longer need to speak to him. That is why it was withdrawn. Their job is done.",
">\n\nSubpoenas are real, or they’re not.\nIn the real world if any person defied or ignored a subpoena they would be arrested immediately.\nWhy are some Americans allowed to break the law in broad daylight.",
">\n\nWhy is the DOJ dragging its feet in charging anyone?",
">\n\nDOJ has charged over 700 people out of January 6 and they continue to charge cases. Most of these cases took months if not years to come to fruition.\nAt the end of the day DOJ has no obligation to act on any of the committee’s referrals, although I believe they already have ongoing investigations as to several of the subjects. If anything new comes out of the committee’s work it’s unlikely to happen soon.",
">\n\nThe US is beyond broken. The wealthy can do whatever they want while we are the only ones who face consequences. I can’t wait to leave this shithole again. I won’t be making the mistake of coming back like I did last year.",
">\n\nSuch a farce",
">\n\nBut he wanted to appear!!",
">\n\nThe walls are closing in.",
">\n\nOk, people. Quit guilt-edging and go home.",
">\n\nWait so what is Trump a dastardly super villain who keeps getting away or a dumb oaf. You guys just can't decide.",
">\n\nI can’t wait until nothing happens!\nHas it happened yet?",
">\n\n“All animals are equal but some animals are more equal than others.” \nHey, do you think Reddit will ever reach a state of Nirvana where it will stop claiming “Trump is really sweating now!”?",
">\n\nDoes this not set some sort of precedence? If I now get subpoenaed for something can I not just point to Trump/Barr/Holder and say “no thank you”?",
">\n\nWithdrawing a subpoena sets no precedent and is not at all uncommon.",
">\n\nThe subpoena was issued quite some time ago wasn’t it? And he just flat refused. Were Barr and Holder’s also withdrawn?",
">\n\nI saw the headline and thought the committee dropped a subpoena the way you drop an album. Then I read the article and saw that they dropped it like you drop an extra filler track from an album.",
">\n\nIt would have been a waste of time anyway. \n\"Mr. Trump, did you tell your supporters that the election was stolen and send your supporters to violently break into the capitol building to stop Joe Biden from becoming president\"? - January 6th Committee \n\"The fifth\"! - Trump\nDOJ do your job to save this nation from tyranny and further destruction!🙏",
">\n\nSurprised pikachu face",
">\n\nBut these are the same people that wanted peaceful blm protestors bathed in their own blood? What point do we all take this into our own hands",
">\n\nOh, wow. This is really bad for you, US. Like ultra super deluxe so very not good.",
">\n\nLmao…\n“ThE WaLLs arE cLoSIng in”",
">\n\nwell duh...\npolitics from the beginning",
">\n\nWhat an absolute joke.",
">\n\nInb4 trump takes this decision and expresses it as: “completely exonerated!!!”",
">\n\nThey don’t need his testimony. As if he would ever go anywhere close to a government building after the committee’s final report. Just let him relax to make it easier to arrest him",
">\n\nfucking why?",
">\n\nIsn’t the rule that if you don’t comply with a congressional subpoena you can be held in contempt and fined or jailed? Can the House sergeant-at-arms arrest the person?",
">\n\nWow, naw fuck this.",
">\n\nHe wouldn't show up anyways...🐣",
">\n\nTFG is so slippery, Teflon wouldn't stick",
">\n\nNothing will truly come to fruition until we go out into the streets and force this issue ourselves.",
">\n\nWhat’s the point of that?",
">\n\nTold you."
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"So far Trump's legal strategy of ignoring calls for accountability until Republicans in Congress can bail him out is workingly flawlessly.",
">\n\nThat doesn’t mean the DoJ can’t charge and prosecute. \nRight now everything is in response to republicans getting their slim majority in the house and lessen the damage they will do.\nThat said, they still have the mountain of evidence they did gather",
">\n\nWhat about when the AG/DOJ is a GOP appointee? You don’t think they’ll just put in a Bill Barr type on the entire thing?",
">\n\nNot while they have a democratic president and especially when the previous president lost them the midterms.\nThey were already planning on replacing trump with Desantes by equating the 2 (Martha’s Vineyard was part of that), they’re only gonna lose trying to put their party’s future on the line protect him further.\nThey gonna continue to spread doubt and try to discredit the investigations, but they’re barely holding onto a branch of government, they’re not stupid. Barr only worked because they held onto 2",
">\n\nUmmm that’s not what I meant. If a GOP candidate for President wins in 2024 , what are the actual legal implications. It’s not like it’s below them to interfere like they did with the collusion charges",
">\n\n\nThe House January 6 committee is withdrawing its subpoena of former President Donald Trump as it concludes its work.\n“In light of the imminent end of our investigation, the Select Committee can no longer pursue the specific information covered by the subpoena,” Chairman Bennie Thompson, a Mississippi Democrat, wrote in a letter to Trump’s attorney Wednesday obtained by CNN.\n“Therefore, through this letter, I hereby formally withdraw the subpoena issued to former President Trump, and notify you that he is no longer obligated to comply or produce records in response to said subpoena,” Thompson added.",
">\n\nConclusion: Former president Trump is above the law.",
">\n\nYeah kind of makes me sad. Trump can just ignore a subpoena, with zero consequences. \n“We believe you tried to overthrow the government. You are legally required to come talk to us about it.”\n“No thanks.”\n“Oh. Ok, never mind.”",
">\n\nNo consequences? He's has been referred to the DOJ for obstruction of a govt processing last week. They held a recorded vote.",
">\n\nThat’s not a consequence. It’s kicking the can. Trump will never, ever be held responsible for his role in destroying democracy in America.",
">\n\nThis is not TV or a movie. \"The wheels of justice grind slowly yet exceedingly fine\" is a saying for a reason. Federal investigations usually take years.",
">\n\nHe’s been investigated for years. No consequences. Just special appointments, investigations, and referrals. In the mean time, you know who DOES face consequences?\nAmerica.",
">\n\nYou are judging the end of the movie before it is over.\nThe previous investigations were being done while he had the shield of the presidency and an attorney general running obstruction for him. None of that is true now.",
">\n\nThe GOP will continue fighting on his behalf, because the majority are complicit in 45’s fuckery. Again, no consequences will be had. I’m willing to wager a gift card to your favorite local restaurant that he will live fat, rich, and free until at least the 2024/25 inauguration. Save this post.",
">\n\nWe'll see about that. I'll admit to the loss if thats the case.",
">\n\nMore proof that we the people have no rights in comparison to the billionaire ticks.",
">\n\nDude ain't no billionaire",
">\n\nNo, but his buddies are.",
">\n\nHis puppet masters maybe",
">\n\nI mean, who would have thought not starting the fight sooner would end like this?",
">\n\nDon’t worry. He’s got so many more coming.",
">\n\nThe idea that Trump will pay any price for his crimes is a fantasy.",
">\n\nIt’s actually happening. His company has been found guilty. His charity is closed. His cohorts are about to go to jail. His popularity sagging. Protection is gone. We just need the first indictment.",
">\n\nBut none is him",
">\n\nWell Trump Org is pretty much him but be patient.",
">\n\nDrops in the bucket. \nBeen patient for like 6 years now. How much more we gotta wait?",
">\n\nHe couldn’t be prosecuted while president. Watch GA and the special prosecutor. They’re moving fast.",
">\n\nCouldn't be?\nShould have been.",
">\n\nThat’s absolutely wild that any man is able to just straight up ignore a subpoena with zero consequences. Definition of “above the law”. If he gets away with this, he is going to be more dangerous than ever. You get away with leading a coup/insurrection, you’re going to assume you can get away with literally anything. \nMaybe trump was right… he really could shoot someone in the middle of 5th avenue and not lose any voters…and also probably not even get in trouble",
">\n\nSerious questions...so the committee pull the subpoena, but it's up to DOJ for any additional follow up, but when the new congress is in session they can tell DOJ to drop everything? Is that how's its going to go down? Because I thought DOJ is supposed to be independent once given the committee's findings?",
">\n\nThe DOJ is certainly independent of Congress. As for the committee - the only thing they would've done differently was vote on a criminal referral for contempt of Congress. Although there is some truth to congressional contempt needing to stem from congress, The DOJ has no obligation to act on a referral - it is more akin to a recommendation.\nWith that being said, the committee knew it wasn't going to serve any real benefit, so they decided not to.\n\nThe DOJ decided not to prosecute Meadows and Scavino for contempt due to their close ties to the executive. This pretty much ruled out any chance of it happening to Trump, a former President. \nEven a completely successful referral (Steve Bannon) showed how inconsequential Congressional subpoena power is. For one, it is a misdemeanor. It has been ~15 months since Bannon was referred, and he was found guilty and sentenced, and he is still a free man pending appeal. And even if upheld, it's only 4 months in prison as just shy of maximum sentencing guidelines. \nThe DOJ, if they prosecute, are aiming at much bigger crimes - notably Obstruction of an Official Proceeding, which carries up to 20 years. And they'd be potentially trying these crimes in the same jurisdiction.\n\nSo I'm sure the calculation was that it just wasn't worth throwing a referral at the DOJ for something they'd never follow up on, and wouldn't be much benefit if they did.",
">\n\nIn summary, he’s committed so many crimes that this one isn’t worth any effort",
">\n\nEssentially, yeah. The DOJ has two big chances to secure a conviction: Mar-A-Lago and Jan. 6 - and they will likely bring multiple charges in a D.C. court if they decide to prosecute. Mar-A-Lago will come first, which has virtually nothing to do with this committee's work.\nReferring a misdemeanor to tack onto 4 serious felonies they referred probably only risked muddying the larger offenses. Can't blame them honestly.",
">\n\nWhat is “Mar a Lago” in this context! The tax scheme? Classified documents?",
">\n\nThe classified documents",
">\n\nSmall point but they weren't all classified and don't need to be, for what he did to be illegal. Just trying to avoid republican framing.",
">\n\nHillary was not afraid to testify every time she was asked (and testified for hours and hours each time, answering all questions asked) and never took the 5th. Yet republicans act like she is the criminal when it always has been trump.",
">\n\nEven if she was wrong she was smarter than any of the R in the room. That woman was a machine during those hearings and gave them nothing to work with.",
">\n\nShe is definitely smarter than that barrel of monkeys who questioned her, but ultimately, there was nothing to get from her - the perfect opposite case of crimey benedict donald and his co-conspirators.",
">\n\nIt's interesting to see that people think this subpoena would have continued to exist past Jan 3, 2023 given that that's when ALL open subpoenas from the outgoing congress expire and become null and void. Even if the J6 committee continued to exist- they would be required to file a brand new one in the new session.",
">\n\nIt wouldn't be that hard to file a brand new subpoena, they have lawyers who work full-time for them. That isn't an obstacle.",
">\n\nExcept for the committee doesn't exist in the new Congress and they have no powers to do anything if they don't exist.",
">\n\nIt's easy to get the two confused a lot of times.",
">\n\nHow many of y'all actually thought he wasn't going to run out the clock? \nNothing will fundamentally change.",
">\n\nNobody. The “justice takes time” chorus that dominated the narrative was only here to quell social unrest so society didn’t take a dive while the rich mocked us from their golden pedestals.",
">\n\nSerious question: Why? So what if the Dems lose power in the Congress. Let the Republicans be the one to formally dismantle the committee and subpoena on record. Then when hopefully Trump is charged by the DOJ, dems have another talking point for 2024 that the Republicans hate law and order and protect mob bosses.",
">\n\nThe select committee expires at the end of the congressional session. So they do not need to question him because the committee will not exist.",
">\n\nBut what is the point of formally withdrawing the subpoena? What does it accomplish?",
">\n\nThe committee is over. They have issued the report, they are closing up shop. They are following the process. A secondary part of the committees job was to show how a REAL congressional hearing should be handled. None of that sloppy ass grandstanding they did for Benghazi",
">\n\nMy viewpoint is that Trump and the GOP are just going to use this as “proof” that he did nothing wrong. Remember how the Mueller report “exonerated” Trump? His base believes this shit wholeheartedly and I guarantee he will use this as “evidence” for his innocence.\nShowing how things SHOULD be handled instead of taking whatever measures needed to protect Americans lead to Jan 6th happening in the first place. We all know how things should be handled, how the rules should work, but one side is willing to do whatever they need to keep power and the other is getting walked over.\nIs taking the high road worth letting fascism into our government?",
">\n\nIt’s good to know that republicans are allowed to ignore subpoenas. That’s useful info for them. Don’t expect dems to get that treatment",
">\n\nThey dropped the ball in not issuing one a couple of months ago",
">\n\nActually the Democrats have done everything not to ever pick up the ball even once. They let trump appointed republicans appoint a republican special counsel to fall like a straw man to blatant obstruction in the Russia probe. They turned it into a fundraiser for campaigning. \nThis time they let liz Cheney take the reins, who was able to preserve her republican prerogatives throughout this entire ordeal. \nThe fact is that you're all being cucked by forces of controlled opposition and I'm apparently the only one in the world who can't be so easily mitigated.\nI can't depend on any of you anymore than you can depend on yourselves.",
">\n\nYou lost all credibility at the end when you said cuck and act like you’re the smartest person in the world. Be gone!",
">\n\nYeah, I don't know how anyone can be expected to be taken seriously using that whole sentence unironically.",
">\n\nI don't expect to be taken seriously whether I say it or not, yet the facts remain as I've described.",
">\n\nI didn’t see that coming, said absolutely no one.",
">\n\nWhy.",
">\n\nHUGE mistake. The committee will be dissolved by the GOPers in a couple weeks, and all this did was to give the Marmalade Moses another fake victory to rile up his lemmings.",
">\n\nIt’s funny because I say the same thing every time about trump never getting charged and I always get shit about it like BUT NO THIS TIME IS DIFFERENT. \nLmao right. Sure it is.",
">\n\nFucking same. This is just more “ammo” for his orange, shit spewing mouth.",
">\n\nThis guy is still getting more media coverage than the current potus two years into his term. Crazy.",
">\n\nIt does blow that he wasn't forced to comply with the subpoena but for people thinking what a bummer this seems like, the house is switching to a republican majority in like a week so it didn't make a whole lot of sense to leave an active subpoena on record knowing it would never be resolved. They likely knew he wasn't going to comply when it was issued only now its offical that it was officially issued, ignored by trump, and terminated. Who knows if the DOJ will eventually file but everyone pretty much already knew that little temper tantrum trump wasn't going to aid in his own house sedition investigation.",
">\n\nIf we restrict ourselves to the issue of compliance with a subpoena from this committee, then the recent election clearly mooted every aspect of penalties or consequences related to ignoring the subpoena.\nIt's like a big brother was called over and little bro wanted him to force his adversary to bow and kiss the ground. But by the time big bro finally wanders over, the kid goes \"nah... we're good.\"\nA lot of folk like to believe contempt of court or contempt of congress is like any other crime where you do the deed and have to face the punishment. But, in general, these things do not work like crimes. Even where contempt has been codified such that there is a criminal contempt aspect, the goal remains to seek or to force compliance. This leads to \"punishments\" which are better or worse depending on how you view things. A simple view is that you could be \"sentenced\" to indefinite incarceration because it's a \"jailed until compliance\" thing.\nIn this case, Congress has been very, very reticent to try to use their inherent power to jail someone. So the most they ever do these days is refer the case to the DoJ to pursue criminal contempt of congress.\nAll in all, is this a \"good\" thing? Maybe it's not as bad as we feel it to be. Imagine any sort of argument where someone demands you do something. You retort \"are you sure?\" Bystanders urge folk cool down and think about it. Map that into the way Congress changes every two years and you get a sense that unless something is important enough that it remains after the public alters the composition of the legislative branch, maybe it's not all that important (to the public) after all.\nOn the other hand, why would anyone fear Congress when they demonstrate time and again there never really are any consequences for refusal to comply with subpoenas? But... do we want to quake in fear whenever some nutjob party gains control and enacts something as dire as the Committee on Unamerican Activities?",
">\n\nWhat is the advantage of dropping the subpoena, as opposed to just letting it expire/letting the new congress withdraw it? Why go on record saying he no longer has to come in? I get that he was never going to show, I’m just curious why this is better than the alternative.",
">\n\nI’m wondering this too. There has to be a good reason.",
">\n\n?? Why, like it had no power, but still why? This looks like weakness",
">\n\nThe subpoena expires when the new congress is sworn in on Jan 3rd. There was no practical way to enforce it.",
">\n\nWhy not just let it expire?\nNow Republicans have a talking point that the January 6th Committee withdrew their subpoena.\nThey'll use it to muddy the waters and spread more misinformation.",
">\n\nThey already had their talking points. They've had them the whole time. They already released a \"counter report\" to the J6 committee. The committee withdrew it because they are closing up shop. The report is out. Where would Donnie's answers go?",
">\n\nWhy was he not charged with contempt for no show? Once again, he gets let off for bad behaviour",
">\n\nBecause they referred him for 4 much more serious crimes with longer sentences. Referring him for this is essentially pointless.",
">\n\nYes, but i see it as another nail in the coffin, and also sends a message that subpoenas are not to be ignored",
">\n\nImagine if you or I tried to just ignore a subpoena.",
">\n\nIt’s OK if you’re a Republican, as the war criminal’s daughter who voted in line with Trump’s policies during her House tenure can attest.",
">\n\nAnother instance of unequal justice under the law, imo. If you or I disregarded a subpoena from Congress we'd be going to jail...like Steve Bannon.",
">\n\nDrag it out, do nothing, repeat. Glad the J6 group produced a ton of info and exposed a lot of the bs but what's the point of nothing really happens? Media circus? I'm so tired.",
">\n\nGreat precedent. It's good to know if I'm ever subpoenaed by congress I can just ignore it.",
">\n\nJ6 knew he'd puss out and just wanted to get it on the record. And for the same reason they haven't gone after Meadows for ignoring his subpoena, are all of the other serious crimes hanging over him and the orange Traitor in Chief, especially now, the subpoenas aren't worth the time and effort.",
">\n\n\nAnd for the same reason they haven't gone after Meadows for ignoring his subpoena\n\nTo be fair... the House voted him in criminal contempt and sent the referral to that to the DoJ. There wasn't really anything they could do beyond that with respect to his subpoena (yes, inherent contempt in theory exists, in practice it would have been useless for multiple reasons).\nMeadows is also included in the big criminal referrals the committee issued as part of their report as well.",
">\n\nAs usual, this country’s justice system is a joke",
">\n\nThis was a subpoena issued by the congress, not DOJ. He would be arrested if this was subpoena by DOJ and he didn’t show.",
">\n\nLike I said lol this country’s justice system is a joke",
">\n\nBut the justice system has not been involved yet!!! Congressional hearing is not an example of the justice system. The congress has referred the case to the DOJ or “the justice system” as a result of their hearing. DOJ will pursue a criminal investigation and pursue charges. \nJudiciary (justice system as you call it), congress, and executive branches are constitutionally separate and independent to ensure checks and balances.\nJustice system in the US is not ideal, but this specific instance is not an example of these inefficiencies. This is an example of how the congress has been ineffective in doing their legislative actions. In this instance the correct statement would be “Legislative system in this country is a joke.” Justice system has not had a chance to show its incompetence yet. That will be next.",
">\n\nNaive of you to think this is anything more than a show they’re putting on. Nothing will come of it, democrats are by nature pussies let’s be real. None have any teeth or claws. The right is full of a bunch of tribalistic monkeys, party is apparently more important than country. I guess I can rephrase, besides making money and being the best business in the world, America is a joke.",
">\n\n\"OMG. I'm so outraged by this even though I have no idea why.\"\nIt'd be nice if you guys learned the difference between the subpoena and the criminal referral. trump was never going to show up for the subpoena especially since the GOP is about to take control. It's a completely moot point.",
">\n\nExactly. The committee already referred him to the DoJ on criminal charges. Everyone is acting like they're just taking their ball and going home. They already went well and beyond a mere subpoena here, and one of the charges that they're recommending is obstruction already.",
">\n\nAren’t subpoenas mandatory with consequences? Either you show up or go to jail. Trump did neither.",
">\n\nNot if you are rich. Laws are you only for the the lower 90%",
">\n\nThis is such bullshit.",
">\n\nAnother precedent set for rich criminals to not comply. If we citizens didn’t show we’d be at a black site with electrodes on our genitals.",
">\n\nThey should have charged Trump with contempt of Congress.",
">\n\nSo whens the next uprising on behalf of rich people? Just be sure you're actually a political player because if you're just a worker you'll be charged. Chess has really changed over the past hundred years.",
">\n\nTotally expected. \nTrump, the really TV star, said he'd only agree to answer the subpoena if it were live & televised. It's quite obvious the reason is that he'd ignore the questioning & use the free air time to spew his BS, much like in the Presidential debates. \nAnd I'm sure the incoming Republican House would have loved to have given him the opportunity",
">\n\nyeah kinda moot at this point , they already made those criminal referrals anyways lol i wish they would have perused charging him for not showing up however but maybe they figured in light of everything they should focus on the key issues and at this point whatever he had to say really doesnt matter anyways as he would just lie. his testimony would pretty much be useless. its still a shame we didnt get to see it just for historys sake lol",
">\n\nAl trump would do is take the 5th like any other ordinary criminal",
">\n\nSo far as things have gone, will it now be ok for Democrats to ignore all the subpoenas that this next R House is going to send around? I’d think so….",
">\n\nOur government has failed us.... Good luck everyone.",
">\n\nAh yes the criminal Justice system, quite possibly the longest running joke in America",
">\n\n& you just know the cheeto will say something like, ha!, they dropped the subpoena cause they knew I am innocent, or some 💩 like that",
">\n\nNo surprise there. Trump is above the law, as he has proven time and again, over and over throughout the last several years. \nI will be surprised if anything comes out of this investigation, at all. \nI will be surprised if the next republican president isn't worse than Trump. \nI mean seriously, how do they convict him of anything if they can't even call him for questioning. Ever heard of anyone, ever, to get convicted of a crime that didn't have to talk to investigators at some point? \nFuck America. Fuck Trump. And fuck the pussy ass people who refuse to do their fucking job.",
">\n\nThey dropped it because it wasn't necessary and would have given him a national platform needlessly. DOJ will pass to the special council which will bring formal charges, if any will be brought.",
">\n\nThis is actually heartbreaking. Seen a lot of politicians and people of note show time and time again that the rules for EVERY CITIZEN don’t apply to them and this stings just a little more",
">\n\nMy theory that he is blackmailing everyone from the White House down with Area 51 malarky is still holding water...",
">\n\nLet us all start committing crimes and see how that goes, this is bs",
">\n\nSuch bs. I knew he would sleeze his way out of any consequences for his actions. This will only embolden him & his lunatic followers. He incites a riot that kills people & gets away with it. If any of us incited a riot, we would still be in jail & if people died during the riot, we would be charged with murder as well. So sick & tired of the double standard when it comes to a president who breaks the law & walks away, just like nixon did.",
">\n\nshould not have dropped\nshould have referred it to doj for contempt of congress...\nwhite rich continue to get a pass for what the rest of us would have long ago been prosecuted and imprisoned...",
">\n\nThey already referred him to DOJ for obstruction of a govt proceeding last week. What are you talking about?",
">\n\nYeah, because why would you want to subpoena the guy who was completely responsible for the entire thing?\nThe Chuck Schumer neoliberals have engineered this to completely let Trump get away with it - because they think the Republicans are still their friends and they don't want to piss them off!",
">\n\nThey subpoenaed trump months ago. He declined to show. Since, investigation is over, they dropped it. This is not even really news worthy.",
">\n\nHalf the people in this thread have no idea what they're talking about and are confusing the subpoena with the criminal referral.",
">\n\nOh, is that what's going on? Lol. I was wondering why ppl are making a big deal about this. This is just the committee cleaning up loose ends.",
">\n\nIt's a big deal if someone who's now a private citizen, can do wtf he wants and ignore a Congressional subpoena.",
">\n\nIt takes votes by congress to hold in contempt. They didn't need trump's testimony. He would just show up and repeat I plead the 5th anyway. Pence ignored his, too. It's pointless to hold them in contempt and get off focus of actual investigation.",
">\n\nYou're proving my point. Congressional Democrats should have enforced the subpoena and made Trump plead the 5th to every question. Imagine if Pence also appeared and pled the 5th to every question. That is political magic for the Democrats, it makes them look guilty as hell.\nTrump committed a crime, and this is America. It should be the same as if I committed a crime. We would get arrested, taken to jail until the morning, see a judge and face our charges, and then either get released on OR, held for trial, or bail set. It's not much of a democracy if laws are not enforced against powerful people.",
">\n\nOnce you all realize this is just a game and you’re the pawn things will make a lot more sense.",
">\n\nNow hear him cry about never getting a chance to testify when he’s charged.",
">\n\nI see this less as a “you’re excused” and more of a “see you in court”",
">\n\nNo need to bother with it when they've already finished their work. The only thing that testimony would have accomplished would have been getting Trump to look bad on national television, and a potential perjury charge. Trump already has embarrassed himself in public in a massive way since then, and they have bigger crimes to recommend to the DOJ for prosecution.",
">\n\nThe moment they announced the subpoena everyone got a hard on that trump would have to talk. I said it then and I’ll say it again, trump will never have to face any punishment and he doesn’t have to comply to any law or rules. They’re all more suggestions instead of laws.",
">\n\nWhat a waste of fucking time",
">\n\nSo......this was a big fat waste of time and money?",
">\n\nI mean they made a criminal referral so, no? The committee wasn’t set up to solely investigate Dolt 45 and took the testimony of over a thousand people, why is it you believe withdrawing one subpoena because the committee is winding down renders the entire process a “waste of time and money.”",
">\n\nNo mention on CNN that they dropped the subpoena after a year of January 6 January 6 January 6 terrible news station",
">\n\nWell, it’s being run by a Republican so go figure",
">\n\nTalk about the wheels of justice turning slow. In this case reversing altogether. Well done.",
">\n\nI wish this surprised me.",
">\n\nLOL God this is so funny\nWhat the fuck did y'all expect if you have money you are above the law. It only applies to the poor and those who step on the toes of capital.",
">\n\nWhat a waste of money",
">\n\n...And a Happy New Year!",
">\n\nClassic",
">\n\nShocking",
">\n\nOur governing body are a bunch of cowards. The US is being safeguarded by self-interested Congresspersons who speak about accountability and act on cowardice.",
">\n\nLet's be honest he'll get away with everything with a slap on the wrist. This country won't prosecute a sitting or former president or high ranking politician, we've seen this over and over. The whole committee is sadly a publicity stunt to gain traction for Democrat's. I hope I'm completely wrong of course and that this country will start to feel like it's a democracy.",
">\n\nThe coup is in effect.",
">\n\nI have a sad feeling this committee is going to end up like a fart in the wind",
">\n\nYou’re not wrong",
">\n\nWtf are you talking about?",
">\n\nHands",
">\n\nWho are you talking to? Lmao",
">\n\nWent out with a whimper. The most Democrat thing ever.\nWish the Dems would learn how to take the gloves off, at least they would have a shot against an opponent that has no problems filling their gloves with lead shot. Then bragging about it.",
">\n\nThe subpoena, and associated contempt charges would be nothing when compared to the recommendations made by the committee to the DOJ. Whether or not the DOJ will act is all that matters at this point.",
">\n\nPathetic pieces of shit",
">\n\nAll theatre, all the time. Seems like by now, to most people, that somehow being trolled by their favorite elected might be possible.",
">\n\nSo wait, he just gets away with everything? Just like that?\nWhat about all the articles saying that Trump will most likely spend the rest of his life in prison?",
">\n\nThe subpoena has nothing to do with the recommendations made by the committee to the DOJ. The ball is in the DOJ’s court. The subpoena doesn’t impact anything. Absurd that he didn’t get held in contempt, but that is more of a distraction than anything.",
">\n\nI see. Thanks for explaining!",
">\n\nCan anyone explain why he was not arrested for not responding to the subpoena? I thought you had to respond to these?",
">\n\nFirst they would have had to vote for contempt. Then they would need to issue a referral to DOJ, then DOJ would need to consider it. That is not happening in a week before the new congress is sworn in an this committee expires. They have issued their report and no longer need to speak to him. That is why it was withdrawn. Their job is done.",
">\n\nSubpoenas are real, or they’re not.\nIn the real world if any person defied or ignored a subpoena they would be arrested immediately.\nWhy are some Americans allowed to break the law in broad daylight.",
">\n\nWhy is the DOJ dragging its feet in charging anyone?",
">\n\nDOJ has charged over 700 people out of January 6 and they continue to charge cases. Most of these cases took months if not years to come to fruition.\nAt the end of the day DOJ has no obligation to act on any of the committee’s referrals, although I believe they already have ongoing investigations as to several of the subjects. If anything new comes out of the committee’s work it’s unlikely to happen soon.",
">\n\nThe US is beyond broken. The wealthy can do whatever they want while we are the only ones who face consequences. I can’t wait to leave this shithole again. I won’t be making the mistake of coming back like I did last year.",
">\n\nSuch a farce",
">\n\nBut he wanted to appear!!",
">\n\nThe walls are closing in.",
">\n\nOk, people. Quit guilt-edging and go home.",
">\n\nWait so what is Trump a dastardly super villain who keeps getting away or a dumb oaf. You guys just can't decide.",
">\n\nI can’t wait until nothing happens!\nHas it happened yet?",
">\n\n“All animals are equal but some animals are more equal than others.” \nHey, do you think Reddit will ever reach a state of Nirvana where it will stop claiming “Trump is really sweating now!”?",
">\n\nDoes this not set some sort of precedence? If I now get subpoenaed for something can I not just point to Trump/Barr/Holder and say “no thank you”?",
">\n\nWithdrawing a subpoena sets no precedent and is not at all uncommon.",
">\n\nThe subpoena was issued quite some time ago wasn’t it? And he just flat refused. Were Barr and Holder’s also withdrawn?",
">\n\nI saw the headline and thought the committee dropped a subpoena the way you drop an album. Then I read the article and saw that they dropped it like you drop an extra filler track from an album.",
">\n\nIt would have been a waste of time anyway. \n\"Mr. Trump, did you tell your supporters that the election was stolen and send your supporters to violently break into the capitol building to stop Joe Biden from becoming president\"? - January 6th Committee \n\"The fifth\"! - Trump\nDOJ do your job to save this nation from tyranny and further destruction!🙏",
">\n\nSurprised pikachu face",
">\n\nBut these are the same people that wanted peaceful blm protestors bathed in their own blood? What point do we all take this into our own hands",
">\n\nOh, wow. This is really bad for you, US. Like ultra super deluxe so very not good.",
">\n\nLmao…\n“ThE WaLLs arE cLoSIng in”",
">\n\nwell duh...\npolitics from the beginning",
">\n\nWhat an absolute joke.",
">\n\nInb4 trump takes this decision and expresses it as: “completely exonerated!!!”",
">\n\nThey don’t need his testimony. As if he would ever go anywhere close to a government building after the committee’s final report. Just let him relax to make it easier to arrest him",
">\n\nfucking why?",
">\n\nIsn’t the rule that if you don’t comply with a congressional subpoena you can be held in contempt and fined or jailed? Can the House sergeant-at-arms arrest the person?",
">\n\nWow, naw fuck this.",
">\n\nHe wouldn't show up anyways...🐣",
">\n\nTFG is so slippery, Teflon wouldn't stick",
">\n\nNothing will truly come to fruition until we go out into the streets and force this issue ourselves.",
">\n\nWhat’s the point of that?",
">\n\nTold you.",
">\n\nSad, and utterly predictable.\nZero accountability is the death of liberty. Actual freedom means lawlessness, rather than being a nation of laws. \nThe GOP has now proved that no law matters, and that, like Russia, we are a nation governed by the biggest criminal."
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An absolute travesty of justice. I would've said keep the subpoena open forever. If there's some way for the subpoena's issuing body to dissolve without legally dropping the subpoena, thus leaving it in a permanent state of legal limbo, I would have advocated for that, so that the GOP could never whitewash the fact that he defied a lawfully issued subpoena.
Otherwise, make the GOP drop it themselves; let them be the ones who let him get away with openly flouting a subpoena.
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"So far Trump's legal strategy of ignoring calls for accountability until Republicans in Congress can bail him out is workingly flawlessly.",
">\n\nThat doesn’t mean the DoJ can’t charge and prosecute. \nRight now everything is in response to republicans getting their slim majority in the house and lessen the damage they will do.\nThat said, they still have the mountain of evidence they did gather",
">\n\nWhat about when the AG/DOJ is a GOP appointee? You don’t think they’ll just put in a Bill Barr type on the entire thing?",
">\n\nNot while they have a democratic president and especially when the previous president lost them the midterms.\nThey were already planning on replacing trump with Desantes by equating the 2 (Martha’s Vineyard was part of that), they’re only gonna lose trying to put their party’s future on the line protect him further.\nThey gonna continue to spread doubt and try to discredit the investigations, but they’re barely holding onto a branch of government, they’re not stupid. Barr only worked because they held onto 2",
">\n\nUmmm that’s not what I meant. If a GOP candidate for President wins in 2024 , what are the actual legal implications. It’s not like it’s below them to interfere like they did with the collusion charges",
">\n\n\nThe House January 6 committee is withdrawing its subpoena of former President Donald Trump as it concludes its work.\n“In light of the imminent end of our investigation, the Select Committee can no longer pursue the specific information covered by the subpoena,” Chairman Bennie Thompson, a Mississippi Democrat, wrote in a letter to Trump’s attorney Wednesday obtained by CNN.\n“Therefore, through this letter, I hereby formally withdraw the subpoena issued to former President Trump, and notify you that he is no longer obligated to comply or produce records in response to said subpoena,” Thompson added.",
">\n\nConclusion: Former president Trump is above the law.",
">\n\nYeah kind of makes me sad. Trump can just ignore a subpoena, with zero consequences. \n“We believe you tried to overthrow the government. You are legally required to come talk to us about it.”\n“No thanks.”\n“Oh. Ok, never mind.”",
">\n\nNo consequences? He's has been referred to the DOJ for obstruction of a govt processing last week. They held a recorded vote.",
">\n\nThat’s not a consequence. It’s kicking the can. Trump will never, ever be held responsible for his role in destroying democracy in America.",
">\n\nThis is not TV or a movie. \"The wheels of justice grind slowly yet exceedingly fine\" is a saying for a reason. Federal investigations usually take years.",
">\n\nHe’s been investigated for years. No consequences. Just special appointments, investigations, and referrals. In the mean time, you know who DOES face consequences?\nAmerica.",
">\n\nYou are judging the end of the movie before it is over.\nThe previous investigations were being done while he had the shield of the presidency and an attorney general running obstruction for him. None of that is true now.",
">\n\nThe GOP will continue fighting on his behalf, because the majority are complicit in 45’s fuckery. Again, no consequences will be had. I’m willing to wager a gift card to your favorite local restaurant that he will live fat, rich, and free until at least the 2024/25 inauguration. Save this post.",
">\n\nWe'll see about that. I'll admit to the loss if thats the case.",
">\n\nMore proof that we the people have no rights in comparison to the billionaire ticks.",
">\n\nDude ain't no billionaire",
">\n\nNo, but his buddies are.",
">\n\nHis puppet masters maybe",
">\n\nI mean, who would have thought not starting the fight sooner would end like this?",
">\n\nDon’t worry. He’s got so many more coming.",
">\n\nThe idea that Trump will pay any price for his crimes is a fantasy.",
">\n\nIt’s actually happening. His company has been found guilty. His charity is closed. His cohorts are about to go to jail. His popularity sagging. Protection is gone. We just need the first indictment.",
">\n\nBut none is him",
">\n\nWell Trump Org is pretty much him but be patient.",
">\n\nDrops in the bucket. \nBeen patient for like 6 years now. How much more we gotta wait?",
">\n\nHe couldn’t be prosecuted while president. Watch GA and the special prosecutor. They’re moving fast.",
">\n\nCouldn't be?\nShould have been.",
">\n\nThat’s absolutely wild that any man is able to just straight up ignore a subpoena with zero consequences. Definition of “above the law”. If he gets away with this, he is going to be more dangerous than ever. You get away with leading a coup/insurrection, you’re going to assume you can get away with literally anything. \nMaybe trump was right… he really could shoot someone in the middle of 5th avenue and not lose any voters…and also probably not even get in trouble",
">\n\nSerious questions...so the committee pull the subpoena, but it's up to DOJ for any additional follow up, but when the new congress is in session they can tell DOJ to drop everything? Is that how's its going to go down? Because I thought DOJ is supposed to be independent once given the committee's findings?",
">\n\nThe DOJ is certainly independent of Congress. As for the committee - the only thing they would've done differently was vote on a criminal referral for contempt of Congress. Although there is some truth to congressional contempt needing to stem from congress, The DOJ has no obligation to act on a referral - it is more akin to a recommendation.\nWith that being said, the committee knew it wasn't going to serve any real benefit, so they decided not to.\n\nThe DOJ decided not to prosecute Meadows and Scavino for contempt due to their close ties to the executive. This pretty much ruled out any chance of it happening to Trump, a former President. \nEven a completely successful referral (Steve Bannon) showed how inconsequential Congressional subpoena power is. For one, it is a misdemeanor. It has been ~15 months since Bannon was referred, and he was found guilty and sentenced, and he is still a free man pending appeal. And even if upheld, it's only 4 months in prison as just shy of maximum sentencing guidelines. \nThe DOJ, if they prosecute, are aiming at much bigger crimes - notably Obstruction of an Official Proceeding, which carries up to 20 years. And they'd be potentially trying these crimes in the same jurisdiction.\n\nSo I'm sure the calculation was that it just wasn't worth throwing a referral at the DOJ for something they'd never follow up on, and wouldn't be much benefit if they did.",
">\n\nIn summary, he’s committed so many crimes that this one isn’t worth any effort",
">\n\nEssentially, yeah. The DOJ has two big chances to secure a conviction: Mar-A-Lago and Jan. 6 - and they will likely bring multiple charges in a D.C. court if they decide to prosecute. Mar-A-Lago will come first, which has virtually nothing to do with this committee's work.\nReferring a misdemeanor to tack onto 4 serious felonies they referred probably only risked muddying the larger offenses. Can't blame them honestly.",
">\n\nWhat is “Mar a Lago” in this context! The tax scheme? Classified documents?",
">\n\nThe classified documents",
">\n\nSmall point but they weren't all classified and don't need to be, for what he did to be illegal. Just trying to avoid republican framing.",
">\n\nHillary was not afraid to testify every time she was asked (and testified for hours and hours each time, answering all questions asked) and never took the 5th. Yet republicans act like she is the criminal when it always has been trump.",
">\n\nEven if she was wrong she was smarter than any of the R in the room. That woman was a machine during those hearings and gave them nothing to work with.",
">\n\nShe is definitely smarter than that barrel of monkeys who questioned her, but ultimately, there was nothing to get from her - the perfect opposite case of crimey benedict donald and his co-conspirators.",
">\n\nIt's interesting to see that people think this subpoena would have continued to exist past Jan 3, 2023 given that that's when ALL open subpoenas from the outgoing congress expire and become null and void. Even if the J6 committee continued to exist- they would be required to file a brand new one in the new session.",
">\n\nIt wouldn't be that hard to file a brand new subpoena, they have lawyers who work full-time for them. That isn't an obstacle.",
">\n\nExcept for the committee doesn't exist in the new Congress and they have no powers to do anything if they don't exist.",
">\n\nIt's easy to get the two confused a lot of times.",
">\n\nHow many of y'all actually thought he wasn't going to run out the clock? \nNothing will fundamentally change.",
">\n\nNobody. The “justice takes time” chorus that dominated the narrative was only here to quell social unrest so society didn’t take a dive while the rich mocked us from their golden pedestals.",
">\n\nSerious question: Why? So what if the Dems lose power in the Congress. Let the Republicans be the one to formally dismantle the committee and subpoena on record. Then when hopefully Trump is charged by the DOJ, dems have another talking point for 2024 that the Republicans hate law and order and protect mob bosses.",
">\n\nThe select committee expires at the end of the congressional session. So they do not need to question him because the committee will not exist.",
">\n\nBut what is the point of formally withdrawing the subpoena? What does it accomplish?",
">\n\nThe committee is over. They have issued the report, they are closing up shop. They are following the process. A secondary part of the committees job was to show how a REAL congressional hearing should be handled. None of that sloppy ass grandstanding they did for Benghazi",
">\n\nMy viewpoint is that Trump and the GOP are just going to use this as “proof” that he did nothing wrong. Remember how the Mueller report “exonerated” Trump? His base believes this shit wholeheartedly and I guarantee he will use this as “evidence” for his innocence.\nShowing how things SHOULD be handled instead of taking whatever measures needed to protect Americans lead to Jan 6th happening in the first place. We all know how things should be handled, how the rules should work, but one side is willing to do whatever they need to keep power and the other is getting walked over.\nIs taking the high road worth letting fascism into our government?",
">\n\nIt’s good to know that republicans are allowed to ignore subpoenas. That’s useful info for them. Don’t expect dems to get that treatment",
">\n\nThey dropped the ball in not issuing one a couple of months ago",
">\n\nActually the Democrats have done everything not to ever pick up the ball even once. They let trump appointed republicans appoint a republican special counsel to fall like a straw man to blatant obstruction in the Russia probe. They turned it into a fundraiser for campaigning. \nThis time they let liz Cheney take the reins, who was able to preserve her republican prerogatives throughout this entire ordeal. \nThe fact is that you're all being cucked by forces of controlled opposition and I'm apparently the only one in the world who can't be so easily mitigated.\nI can't depend on any of you anymore than you can depend on yourselves.",
">\n\nYou lost all credibility at the end when you said cuck and act like you’re the smartest person in the world. Be gone!",
">\n\nYeah, I don't know how anyone can be expected to be taken seriously using that whole sentence unironically.",
">\n\nI don't expect to be taken seriously whether I say it or not, yet the facts remain as I've described.",
">\n\nI didn’t see that coming, said absolutely no one.",
">\n\nWhy.",
">\n\nHUGE mistake. The committee will be dissolved by the GOPers in a couple weeks, and all this did was to give the Marmalade Moses another fake victory to rile up his lemmings.",
">\n\nIt’s funny because I say the same thing every time about trump never getting charged and I always get shit about it like BUT NO THIS TIME IS DIFFERENT. \nLmao right. Sure it is.",
">\n\nFucking same. This is just more “ammo” for his orange, shit spewing mouth.",
">\n\nThis guy is still getting more media coverage than the current potus two years into his term. Crazy.",
">\n\nIt does blow that he wasn't forced to comply with the subpoena but for people thinking what a bummer this seems like, the house is switching to a republican majority in like a week so it didn't make a whole lot of sense to leave an active subpoena on record knowing it would never be resolved. They likely knew he wasn't going to comply when it was issued only now its offical that it was officially issued, ignored by trump, and terminated. Who knows if the DOJ will eventually file but everyone pretty much already knew that little temper tantrum trump wasn't going to aid in his own house sedition investigation.",
">\n\nIf we restrict ourselves to the issue of compliance with a subpoena from this committee, then the recent election clearly mooted every aspect of penalties or consequences related to ignoring the subpoena.\nIt's like a big brother was called over and little bro wanted him to force his adversary to bow and kiss the ground. But by the time big bro finally wanders over, the kid goes \"nah... we're good.\"\nA lot of folk like to believe contempt of court or contempt of congress is like any other crime where you do the deed and have to face the punishment. But, in general, these things do not work like crimes. Even where contempt has been codified such that there is a criminal contempt aspect, the goal remains to seek or to force compliance. This leads to \"punishments\" which are better or worse depending on how you view things. A simple view is that you could be \"sentenced\" to indefinite incarceration because it's a \"jailed until compliance\" thing.\nIn this case, Congress has been very, very reticent to try to use their inherent power to jail someone. So the most they ever do these days is refer the case to the DoJ to pursue criminal contempt of congress.\nAll in all, is this a \"good\" thing? Maybe it's not as bad as we feel it to be. Imagine any sort of argument where someone demands you do something. You retort \"are you sure?\" Bystanders urge folk cool down and think about it. Map that into the way Congress changes every two years and you get a sense that unless something is important enough that it remains after the public alters the composition of the legislative branch, maybe it's not all that important (to the public) after all.\nOn the other hand, why would anyone fear Congress when they demonstrate time and again there never really are any consequences for refusal to comply with subpoenas? But... do we want to quake in fear whenever some nutjob party gains control and enacts something as dire as the Committee on Unamerican Activities?",
">\n\nWhat is the advantage of dropping the subpoena, as opposed to just letting it expire/letting the new congress withdraw it? Why go on record saying he no longer has to come in? I get that he was never going to show, I’m just curious why this is better than the alternative.",
">\n\nI’m wondering this too. There has to be a good reason.",
">\n\n?? Why, like it had no power, but still why? This looks like weakness",
">\n\nThe subpoena expires when the new congress is sworn in on Jan 3rd. There was no practical way to enforce it.",
">\n\nWhy not just let it expire?\nNow Republicans have a talking point that the January 6th Committee withdrew their subpoena.\nThey'll use it to muddy the waters and spread more misinformation.",
">\n\nThey already had their talking points. They've had them the whole time. They already released a \"counter report\" to the J6 committee. The committee withdrew it because they are closing up shop. The report is out. Where would Donnie's answers go?",
">\n\nWhy was he not charged with contempt for no show? Once again, he gets let off for bad behaviour",
">\n\nBecause they referred him for 4 much more serious crimes with longer sentences. Referring him for this is essentially pointless.",
">\n\nYes, but i see it as another nail in the coffin, and also sends a message that subpoenas are not to be ignored",
">\n\nImagine if you or I tried to just ignore a subpoena.",
">\n\nIt’s OK if you’re a Republican, as the war criminal’s daughter who voted in line with Trump’s policies during her House tenure can attest.",
">\n\nAnother instance of unequal justice under the law, imo. If you or I disregarded a subpoena from Congress we'd be going to jail...like Steve Bannon.",
">\n\nDrag it out, do nothing, repeat. Glad the J6 group produced a ton of info and exposed a lot of the bs but what's the point of nothing really happens? Media circus? I'm so tired.",
">\n\nGreat precedent. It's good to know if I'm ever subpoenaed by congress I can just ignore it.",
">\n\nJ6 knew he'd puss out and just wanted to get it on the record. And for the same reason they haven't gone after Meadows for ignoring his subpoena, are all of the other serious crimes hanging over him and the orange Traitor in Chief, especially now, the subpoenas aren't worth the time and effort.",
">\n\n\nAnd for the same reason they haven't gone after Meadows for ignoring his subpoena\n\nTo be fair... the House voted him in criminal contempt and sent the referral to that to the DoJ. There wasn't really anything they could do beyond that with respect to his subpoena (yes, inherent contempt in theory exists, in practice it would have been useless for multiple reasons).\nMeadows is also included in the big criminal referrals the committee issued as part of their report as well.",
">\n\nAs usual, this country’s justice system is a joke",
">\n\nThis was a subpoena issued by the congress, not DOJ. He would be arrested if this was subpoena by DOJ and he didn’t show.",
">\n\nLike I said lol this country’s justice system is a joke",
">\n\nBut the justice system has not been involved yet!!! Congressional hearing is not an example of the justice system. The congress has referred the case to the DOJ or “the justice system” as a result of their hearing. DOJ will pursue a criminal investigation and pursue charges. \nJudiciary (justice system as you call it), congress, and executive branches are constitutionally separate and independent to ensure checks and balances.\nJustice system in the US is not ideal, but this specific instance is not an example of these inefficiencies. This is an example of how the congress has been ineffective in doing their legislative actions. In this instance the correct statement would be “Legislative system in this country is a joke.” Justice system has not had a chance to show its incompetence yet. That will be next.",
">\n\nNaive of you to think this is anything more than a show they’re putting on. Nothing will come of it, democrats are by nature pussies let’s be real. None have any teeth or claws. The right is full of a bunch of tribalistic monkeys, party is apparently more important than country. I guess I can rephrase, besides making money and being the best business in the world, America is a joke.",
">\n\n\"OMG. I'm so outraged by this even though I have no idea why.\"\nIt'd be nice if you guys learned the difference between the subpoena and the criminal referral. trump was never going to show up for the subpoena especially since the GOP is about to take control. It's a completely moot point.",
">\n\nExactly. The committee already referred him to the DoJ on criminal charges. Everyone is acting like they're just taking their ball and going home. They already went well and beyond a mere subpoena here, and one of the charges that they're recommending is obstruction already.",
">\n\nAren’t subpoenas mandatory with consequences? Either you show up or go to jail. Trump did neither.",
">\n\nNot if you are rich. Laws are you only for the the lower 90%",
">\n\nThis is such bullshit.",
">\n\nAnother precedent set for rich criminals to not comply. If we citizens didn’t show we’d be at a black site with electrodes on our genitals.",
">\n\nThey should have charged Trump with contempt of Congress.",
">\n\nSo whens the next uprising on behalf of rich people? Just be sure you're actually a political player because if you're just a worker you'll be charged. Chess has really changed over the past hundred years.",
">\n\nTotally expected. \nTrump, the really TV star, said he'd only agree to answer the subpoena if it were live & televised. It's quite obvious the reason is that he'd ignore the questioning & use the free air time to spew his BS, much like in the Presidential debates. \nAnd I'm sure the incoming Republican House would have loved to have given him the opportunity",
">\n\nyeah kinda moot at this point , they already made those criminal referrals anyways lol i wish they would have perused charging him for not showing up however but maybe they figured in light of everything they should focus on the key issues and at this point whatever he had to say really doesnt matter anyways as he would just lie. his testimony would pretty much be useless. its still a shame we didnt get to see it just for historys sake lol",
">\n\nAl trump would do is take the 5th like any other ordinary criminal",
">\n\nSo far as things have gone, will it now be ok for Democrats to ignore all the subpoenas that this next R House is going to send around? I’d think so….",
">\n\nOur government has failed us.... Good luck everyone.",
">\n\nAh yes the criminal Justice system, quite possibly the longest running joke in America",
">\n\n& you just know the cheeto will say something like, ha!, they dropped the subpoena cause they knew I am innocent, or some 💩 like that",
">\n\nNo surprise there. Trump is above the law, as he has proven time and again, over and over throughout the last several years. \nI will be surprised if anything comes out of this investigation, at all. \nI will be surprised if the next republican president isn't worse than Trump. \nI mean seriously, how do they convict him of anything if they can't even call him for questioning. Ever heard of anyone, ever, to get convicted of a crime that didn't have to talk to investigators at some point? \nFuck America. Fuck Trump. And fuck the pussy ass people who refuse to do their fucking job.",
">\n\nThey dropped it because it wasn't necessary and would have given him a national platform needlessly. DOJ will pass to the special council which will bring formal charges, if any will be brought.",
">\n\nThis is actually heartbreaking. Seen a lot of politicians and people of note show time and time again that the rules for EVERY CITIZEN don’t apply to them and this stings just a little more",
">\n\nMy theory that he is blackmailing everyone from the White House down with Area 51 malarky is still holding water...",
">\n\nLet us all start committing crimes and see how that goes, this is bs",
">\n\nSuch bs. I knew he would sleeze his way out of any consequences for his actions. This will only embolden him & his lunatic followers. He incites a riot that kills people & gets away with it. If any of us incited a riot, we would still be in jail & if people died during the riot, we would be charged with murder as well. So sick & tired of the double standard when it comes to a president who breaks the law & walks away, just like nixon did.",
">\n\nshould not have dropped\nshould have referred it to doj for contempt of congress...\nwhite rich continue to get a pass for what the rest of us would have long ago been prosecuted and imprisoned...",
">\n\nThey already referred him to DOJ for obstruction of a govt proceeding last week. What are you talking about?",
">\n\nYeah, because why would you want to subpoena the guy who was completely responsible for the entire thing?\nThe Chuck Schumer neoliberals have engineered this to completely let Trump get away with it - because they think the Republicans are still their friends and they don't want to piss them off!",
">\n\nThey subpoenaed trump months ago. He declined to show. Since, investigation is over, they dropped it. This is not even really news worthy.",
">\n\nHalf the people in this thread have no idea what they're talking about and are confusing the subpoena with the criminal referral.",
">\n\nOh, is that what's going on? Lol. I was wondering why ppl are making a big deal about this. This is just the committee cleaning up loose ends.",
">\n\nIt's a big deal if someone who's now a private citizen, can do wtf he wants and ignore a Congressional subpoena.",
">\n\nIt takes votes by congress to hold in contempt. They didn't need trump's testimony. He would just show up and repeat I plead the 5th anyway. Pence ignored his, too. It's pointless to hold them in contempt and get off focus of actual investigation.",
">\n\nYou're proving my point. Congressional Democrats should have enforced the subpoena and made Trump plead the 5th to every question. Imagine if Pence also appeared and pled the 5th to every question. That is political magic for the Democrats, it makes them look guilty as hell.\nTrump committed a crime, and this is America. It should be the same as if I committed a crime. We would get arrested, taken to jail until the morning, see a judge and face our charges, and then either get released on OR, held for trial, or bail set. It's not much of a democracy if laws are not enforced against powerful people.",
">\n\nOnce you all realize this is just a game and you’re the pawn things will make a lot more sense.",
">\n\nNow hear him cry about never getting a chance to testify when he’s charged.",
">\n\nI see this less as a “you’re excused” and more of a “see you in court”",
">\n\nNo need to bother with it when they've already finished their work. The only thing that testimony would have accomplished would have been getting Trump to look bad on national television, and a potential perjury charge. Trump already has embarrassed himself in public in a massive way since then, and they have bigger crimes to recommend to the DOJ for prosecution.",
">\n\nThe moment they announced the subpoena everyone got a hard on that trump would have to talk. I said it then and I’ll say it again, trump will never have to face any punishment and he doesn’t have to comply to any law or rules. They’re all more suggestions instead of laws.",
">\n\nWhat a waste of fucking time",
">\n\nSo......this was a big fat waste of time and money?",
">\n\nI mean they made a criminal referral so, no? The committee wasn’t set up to solely investigate Dolt 45 and took the testimony of over a thousand people, why is it you believe withdrawing one subpoena because the committee is winding down renders the entire process a “waste of time and money.”",
">\n\nNo mention on CNN that they dropped the subpoena after a year of January 6 January 6 January 6 terrible news station",
">\n\nWell, it’s being run by a Republican so go figure",
">\n\nTalk about the wheels of justice turning slow. In this case reversing altogether. Well done.",
">\n\nI wish this surprised me.",
">\n\nLOL God this is so funny\nWhat the fuck did y'all expect if you have money you are above the law. It only applies to the poor and those who step on the toes of capital.",
">\n\nWhat a waste of money",
">\n\n...And a Happy New Year!",
">\n\nClassic",
">\n\nShocking",
">\n\nOur governing body are a bunch of cowards. The US is being safeguarded by self-interested Congresspersons who speak about accountability and act on cowardice.",
">\n\nLet's be honest he'll get away with everything with a slap on the wrist. This country won't prosecute a sitting or former president or high ranking politician, we've seen this over and over. The whole committee is sadly a publicity stunt to gain traction for Democrat's. I hope I'm completely wrong of course and that this country will start to feel like it's a democracy.",
">\n\nThe coup is in effect.",
">\n\nI have a sad feeling this committee is going to end up like a fart in the wind",
">\n\nYou’re not wrong",
">\n\nWtf are you talking about?",
">\n\nHands",
">\n\nWho are you talking to? Lmao",
">\n\nWent out with a whimper. The most Democrat thing ever.\nWish the Dems would learn how to take the gloves off, at least they would have a shot against an opponent that has no problems filling their gloves with lead shot. Then bragging about it.",
">\n\nThe subpoena, and associated contempt charges would be nothing when compared to the recommendations made by the committee to the DOJ. Whether or not the DOJ will act is all that matters at this point.",
">\n\nPathetic pieces of shit",
">\n\nAll theatre, all the time. Seems like by now, to most people, that somehow being trolled by their favorite elected might be possible.",
">\n\nSo wait, he just gets away with everything? Just like that?\nWhat about all the articles saying that Trump will most likely spend the rest of his life in prison?",
">\n\nThe subpoena has nothing to do with the recommendations made by the committee to the DOJ. The ball is in the DOJ’s court. The subpoena doesn’t impact anything. Absurd that he didn’t get held in contempt, but that is more of a distraction than anything.",
">\n\nI see. Thanks for explaining!",
">\n\nCan anyone explain why he was not arrested for not responding to the subpoena? I thought you had to respond to these?",
">\n\nFirst they would have had to vote for contempt. Then they would need to issue a referral to DOJ, then DOJ would need to consider it. That is not happening in a week before the new congress is sworn in an this committee expires. They have issued their report and no longer need to speak to him. That is why it was withdrawn. Their job is done.",
">\n\nSubpoenas are real, or they’re not.\nIn the real world if any person defied or ignored a subpoena they would be arrested immediately.\nWhy are some Americans allowed to break the law in broad daylight.",
">\n\nWhy is the DOJ dragging its feet in charging anyone?",
">\n\nDOJ has charged over 700 people out of January 6 and they continue to charge cases. Most of these cases took months if not years to come to fruition.\nAt the end of the day DOJ has no obligation to act on any of the committee’s referrals, although I believe they already have ongoing investigations as to several of the subjects. If anything new comes out of the committee’s work it’s unlikely to happen soon.",
">\n\nThe US is beyond broken. The wealthy can do whatever they want while we are the only ones who face consequences. I can’t wait to leave this shithole again. I won’t be making the mistake of coming back like I did last year.",
">\n\nSuch a farce",
">\n\nBut he wanted to appear!!",
">\n\nThe walls are closing in.",
">\n\nOk, people. Quit guilt-edging and go home.",
">\n\nWait so what is Trump a dastardly super villain who keeps getting away or a dumb oaf. You guys just can't decide.",
">\n\nI can’t wait until nothing happens!\nHas it happened yet?",
">\n\n“All animals are equal but some animals are more equal than others.” \nHey, do you think Reddit will ever reach a state of Nirvana where it will stop claiming “Trump is really sweating now!”?",
">\n\nDoes this not set some sort of precedence? If I now get subpoenaed for something can I not just point to Trump/Barr/Holder and say “no thank you”?",
">\n\nWithdrawing a subpoena sets no precedent and is not at all uncommon.",
">\n\nThe subpoena was issued quite some time ago wasn’t it? And he just flat refused. Were Barr and Holder’s also withdrawn?",
">\n\nI saw the headline and thought the committee dropped a subpoena the way you drop an album. Then I read the article and saw that they dropped it like you drop an extra filler track from an album.",
">\n\nIt would have been a waste of time anyway. \n\"Mr. Trump, did you tell your supporters that the election was stolen and send your supporters to violently break into the capitol building to stop Joe Biden from becoming president\"? - January 6th Committee \n\"The fifth\"! - Trump\nDOJ do your job to save this nation from tyranny and further destruction!🙏",
">\n\nSurprised pikachu face",
">\n\nBut these are the same people that wanted peaceful blm protestors bathed in their own blood? What point do we all take this into our own hands",
">\n\nOh, wow. This is really bad for you, US. Like ultra super deluxe so very not good.",
">\n\nLmao…\n“ThE WaLLs arE cLoSIng in”",
">\n\nwell duh...\npolitics from the beginning",
">\n\nWhat an absolute joke.",
">\n\nInb4 trump takes this decision and expresses it as: “completely exonerated!!!”",
">\n\nThey don’t need his testimony. As if he would ever go anywhere close to a government building after the committee’s final report. Just let him relax to make it easier to arrest him",
">\n\nfucking why?",
">\n\nIsn’t the rule that if you don’t comply with a congressional subpoena you can be held in contempt and fined or jailed? Can the House sergeant-at-arms arrest the person?",
">\n\nWow, naw fuck this.",
">\n\nHe wouldn't show up anyways...🐣",
">\n\nTFG is so slippery, Teflon wouldn't stick",
">\n\nNothing will truly come to fruition until we go out into the streets and force this issue ourselves.",
">\n\nWhat’s the point of that?",
">\n\nTold you.",
">\n\nSad, and utterly predictable.\nZero accountability is the death of liberty. Actual freedom means lawlessness, rather than being a nation of laws. \nThe GOP has now proved that no law matters, and that, like Russia, we are a nation governed by the biggest criminal.",
">\n\nHe should be forced to comply, then you can say you are done"
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So that's it???? This ASSHOLE is scott free from prosecution?
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"So far Trump's legal strategy of ignoring calls for accountability until Republicans in Congress can bail him out is workingly flawlessly.",
">\n\nThat doesn’t mean the DoJ can’t charge and prosecute. \nRight now everything is in response to republicans getting their slim majority in the house and lessen the damage they will do.\nThat said, they still have the mountain of evidence they did gather",
">\n\nWhat about when the AG/DOJ is a GOP appointee? You don’t think they’ll just put in a Bill Barr type on the entire thing?",
">\n\nNot while they have a democratic president and especially when the previous president lost them the midterms.\nThey were already planning on replacing trump with Desantes by equating the 2 (Martha’s Vineyard was part of that), they’re only gonna lose trying to put their party’s future on the line protect him further.\nThey gonna continue to spread doubt and try to discredit the investigations, but they’re barely holding onto a branch of government, they’re not stupid. Barr only worked because they held onto 2",
">\n\nUmmm that’s not what I meant. If a GOP candidate for President wins in 2024 , what are the actual legal implications. It’s not like it’s below them to interfere like they did with the collusion charges",
">\n\n\nThe House January 6 committee is withdrawing its subpoena of former President Donald Trump as it concludes its work.\n“In light of the imminent end of our investigation, the Select Committee can no longer pursue the specific information covered by the subpoena,” Chairman Bennie Thompson, a Mississippi Democrat, wrote in a letter to Trump’s attorney Wednesday obtained by CNN.\n“Therefore, through this letter, I hereby formally withdraw the subpoena issued to former President Trump, and notify you that he is no longer obligated to comply or produce records in response to said subpoena,” Thompson added.",
">\n\nConclusion: Former president Trump is above the law.",
">\n\nYeah kind of makes me sad. Trump can just ignore a subpoena, with zero consequences. \n“We believe you tried to overthrow the government. You are legally required to come talk to us about it.”\n“No thanks.”\n“Oh. Ok, never mind.”",
">\n\nNo consequences? He's has been referred to the DOJ for obstruction of a govt processing last week. They held a recorded vote.",
">\n\nThat’s not a consequence. It’s kicking the can. Trump will never, ever be held responsible for his role in destroying democracy in America.",
">\n\nThis is not TV or a movie. \"The wheels of justice grind slowly yet exceedingly fine\" is a saying for a reason. Federal investigations usually take years.",
">\n\nHe’s been investigated for years. No consequences. Just special appointments, investigations, and referrals. In the mean time, you know who DOES face consequences?\nAmerica.",
">\n\nYou are judging the end of the movie before it is over.\nThe previous investigations were being done while he had the shield of the presidency and an attorney general running obstruction for him. None of that is true now.",
">\n\nThe GOP will continue fighting on his behalf, because the majority are complicit in 45’s fuckery. Again, no consequences will be had. I’m willing to wager a gift card to your favorite local restaurant that he will live fat, rich, and free until at least the 2024/25 inauguration. Save this post.",
">\n\nWe'll see about that. I'll admit to the loss if thats the case.",
">\n\nMore proof that we the people have no rights in comparison to the billionaire ticks.",
">\n\nDude ain't no billionaire",
">\n\nNo, but his buddies are.",
">\n\nHis puppet masters maybe",
">\n\nI mean, who would have thought not starting the fight sooner would end like this?",
">\n\nDon’t worry. He’s got so many more coming.",
">\n\nThe idea that Trump will pay any price for his crimes is a fantasy.",
">\n\nIt’s actually happening. His company has been found guilty. His charity is closed. His cohorts are about to go to jail. His popularity sagging. Protection is gone. We just need the first indictment.",
">\n\nBut none is him",
">\n\nWell Trump Org is pretty much him but be patient.",
">\n\nDrops in the bucket. \nBeen patient for like 6 years now. How much more we gotta wait?",
">\n\nHe couldn’t be prosecuted while president. Watch GA and the special prosecutor. They’re moving fast.",
">\n\nCouldn't be?\nShould have been.",
">\n\nThat’s absolutely wild that any man is able to just straight up ignore a subpoena with zero consequences. Definition of “above the law”. If he gets away with this, he is going to be more dangerous than ever. You get away with leading a coup/insurrection, you’re going to assume you can get away with literally anything. \nMaybe trump was right… he really could shoot someone in the middle of 5th avenue and not lose any voters…and also probably not even get in trouble",
">\n\nSerious questions...so the committee pull the subpoena, but it's up to DOJ for any additional follow up, but when the new congress is in session they can tell DOJ to drop everything? Is that how's its going to go down? Because I thought DOJ is supposed to be independent once given the committee's findings?",
">\n\nThe DOJ is certainly independent of Congress. As for the committee - the only thing they would've done differently was vote on a criminal referral for contempt of Congress. Although there is some truth to congressional contempt needing to stem from congress, The DOJ has no obligation to act on a referral - it is more akin to a recommendation.\nWith that being said, the committee knew it wasn't going to serve any real benefit, so they decided not to.\n\nThe DOJ decided not to prosecute Meadows and Scavino for contempt due to their close ties to the executive. This pretty much ruled out any chance of it happening to Trump, a former President. \nEven a completely successful referral (Steve Bannon) showed how inconsequential Congressional subpoena power is. For one, it is a misdemeanor. It has been ~15 months since Bannon was referred, and he was found guilty and sentenced, and he is still a free man pending appeal. And even if upheld, it's only 4 months in prison as just shy of maximum sentencing guidelines. \nThe DOJ, if they prosecute, are aiming at much bigger crimes - notably Obstruction of an Official Proceeding, which carries up to 20 years. And they'd be potentially trying these crimes in the same jurisdiction.\n\nSo I'm sure the calculation was that it just wasn't worth throwing a referral at the DOJ for something they'd never follow up on, and wouldn't be much benefit if they did.",
">\n\nIn summary, he’s committed so many crimes that this one isn’t worth any effort",
">\n\nEssentially, yeah. The DOJ has two big chances to secure a conviction: Mar-A-Lago and Jan. 6 - and they will likely bring multiple charges in a D.C. court if they decide to prosecute. Mar-A-Lago will come first, which has virtually nothing to do with this committee's work.\nReferring a misdemeanor to tack onto 4 serious felonies they referred probably only risked muddying the larger offenses. Can't blame them honestly.",
">\n\nWhat is “Mar a Lago” in this context! The tax scheme? Classified documents?",
">\n\nThe classified documents",
">\n\nSmall point but they weren't all classified and don't need to be, for what he did to be illegal. Just trying to avoid republican framing.",
">\n\nHillary was not afraid to testify every time she was asked (and testified for hours and hours each time, answering all questions asked) and never took the 5th. Yet republicans act like she is the criminal when it always has been trump.",
">\n\nEven if she was wrong she was smarter than any of the R in the room. That woman was a machine during those hearings and gave them nothing to work with.",
">\n\nShe is definitely smarter than that barrel of monkeys who questioned her, but ultimately, there was nothing to get from her - the perfect opposite case of crimey benedict donald and his co-conspirators.",
">\n\nIt's interesting to see that people think this subpoena would have continued to exist past Jan 3, 2023 given that that's when ALL open subpoenas from the outgoing congress expire and become null and void. Even if the J6 committee continued to exist- they would be required to file a brand new one in the new session.",
">\n\nIt wouldn't be that hard to file a brand new subpoena, they have lawyers who work full-time for them. That isn't an obstacle.",
">\n\nExcept for the committee doesn't exist in the new Congress and they have no powers to do anything if they don't exist.",
">\n\nIt's easy to get the two confused a lot of times.",
">\n\nHow many of y'all actually thought he wasn't going to run out the clock? \nNothing will fundamentally change.",
">\n\nNobody. The “justice takes time” chorus that dominated the narrative was only here to quell social unrest so society didn’t take a dive while the rich mocked us from their golden pedestals.",
">\n\nSerious question: Why? So what if the Dems lose power in the Congress. Let the Republicans be the one to formally dismantle the committee and subpoena on record. Then when hopefully Trump is charged by the DOJ, dems have another talking point for 2024 that the Republicans hate law and order and protect mob bosses.",
">\n\nThe select committee expires at the end of the congressional session. So they do not need to question him because the committee will not exist.",
">\n\nBut what is the point of formally withdrawing the subpoena? What does it accomplish?",
">\n\nThe committee is over. They have issued the report, they are closing up shop. They are following the process. A secondary part of the committees job was to show how a REAL congressional hearing should be handled. None of that sloppy ass grandstanding they did for Benghazi",
">\n\nMy viewpoint is that Trump and the GOP are just going to use this as “proof” that he did nothing wrong. Remember how the Mueller report “exonerated” Trump? His base believes this shit wholeheartedly and I guarantee he will use this as “evidence” for his innocence.\nShowing how things SHOULD be handled instead of taking whatever measures needed to protect Americans lead to Jan 6th happening in the first place. We all know how things should be handled, how the rules should work, but one side is willing to do whatever they need to keep power and the other is getting walked over.\nIs taking the high road worth letting fascism into our government?",
">\n\nIt’s good to know that republicans are allowed to ignore subpoenas. That’s useful info for them. Don’t expect dems to get that treatment",
">\n\nThey dropped the ball in not issuing one a couple of months ago",
">\n\nActually the Democrats have done everything not to ever pick up the ball even once. They let trump appointed republicans appoint a republican special counsel to fall like a straw man to blatant obstruction in the Russia probe. They turned it into a fundraiser for campaigning. \nThis time they let liz Cheney take the reins, who was able to preserve her republican prerogatives throughout this entire ordeal. \nThe fact is that you're all being cucked by forces of controlled opposition and I'm apparently the only one in the world who can't be so easily mitigated.\nI can't depend on any of you anymore than you can depend on yourselves.",
">\n\nYou lost all credibility at the end when you said cuck and act like you’re the smartest person in the world. Be gone!",
">\n\nYeah, I don't know how anyone can be expected to be taken seriously using that whole sentence unironically.",
">\n\nI don't expect to be taken seriously whether I say it or not, yet the facts remain as I've described.",
">\n\nI didn’t see that coming, said absolutely no one.",
">\n\nWhy.",
">\n\nHUGE mistake. The committee will be dissolved by the GOPers in a couple weeks, and all this did was to give the Marmalade Moses another fake victory to rile up his lemmings.",
">\n\nIt’s funny because I say the same thing every time about trump never getting charged and I always get shit about it like BUT NO THIS TIME IS DIFFERENT. \nLmao right. Sure it is.",
">\n\nFucking same. This is just more “ammo” for his orange, shit spewing mouth.",
">\n\nThis guy is still getting more media coverage than the current potus two years into his term. Crazy.",
">\n\nIt does blow that he wasn't forced to comply with the subpoena but for people thinking what a bummer this seems like, the house is switching to a republican majority in like a week so it didn't make a whole lot of sense to leave an active subpoena on record knowing it would never be resolved. They likely knew he wasn't going to comply when it was issued only now its offical that it was officially issued, ignored by trump, and terminated. Who knows if the DOJ will eventually file but everyone pretty much already knew that little temper tantrum trump wasn't going to aid in his own house sedition investigation.",
">\n\nIf we restrict ourselves to the issue of compliance with a subpoena from this committee, then the recent election clearly mooted every aspect of penalties or consequences related to ignoring the subpoena.\nIt's like a big brother was called over and little bro wanted him to force his adversary to bow and kiss the ground. But by the time big bro finally wanders over, the kid goes \"nah... we're good.\"\nA lot of folk like to believe contempt of court or contempt of congress is like any other crime where you do the deed and have to face the punishment. But, in general, these things do not work like crimes. Even where contempt has been codified such that there is a criminal contempt aspect, the goal remains to seek or to force compliance. This leads to \"punishments\" which are better or worse depending on how you view things. A simple view is that you could be \"sentenced\" to indefinite incarceration because it's a \"jailed until compliance\" thing.\nIn this case, Congress has been very, very reticent to try to use their inherent power to jail someone. So the most they ever do these days is refer the case to the DoJ to pursue criminal contempt of congress.\nAll in all, is this a \"good\" thing? Maybe it's not as bad as we feel it to be. Imagine any sort of argument where someone demands you do something. You retort \"are you sure?\" Bystanders urge folk cool down and think about it. Map that into the way Congress changes every two years and you get a sense that unless something is important enough that it remains after the public alters the composition of the legislative branch, maybe it's not all that important (to the public) after all.\nOn the other hand, why would anyone fear Congress when they demonstrate time and again there never really are any consequences for refusal to comply with subpoenas? But... do we want to quake in fear whenever some nutjob party gains control and enacts something as dire as the Committee on Unamerican Activities?",
">\n\nWhat is the advantage of dropping the subpoena, as opposed to just letting it expire/letting the new congress withdraw it? Why go on record saying he no longer has to come in? I get that he was never going to show, I’m just curious why this is better than the alternative.",
">\n\nI’m wondering this too. There has to be a good reason.",
">\n\n?? Why, like it had no power, but still why? This looks like weakness",
">\n\nThe subpoena expires when the new congress is sworn in on Jan 3rd. There was no practical way to enforce it.",
">\n\nWhy not just let it expire?\nNow Republicans have a talking point that the January 6th Committee withdrew their subpoena.\nThey'll use it to muddy the waters and spread more misinformation.",
">\n\nThey already had their talking points. They've had them the whole time. They already released a \"counter report\" to the J6 committee. The committee withdrew it because they are closing up shop. The report is out. Where would Donnie's answers go?",
">\n\nWhy was he not charged with contempt for no show? Once again, he gets let off for bad behaviour",
">\n\nBecause they referred him for 4 much more serious crimes with longer sentences. Referring him for this is essentially pointless.",
">\n\nYes, but i see it as another nail in the coffin, and also sends a message that subpoenas are not to be ignored",
">\n\nImagine if you or I tried to just ignore a subpoena.",
">\n\nIt’s OK if you’re a Republican, as the war criminal’s daughter who voted in line with Trump’s policies during her House tenure can attest.",
">\n\nAnother instance of unequal justice under the law, imo. If you or I disregarded a subpoena from Congress we'd be going to jail...like Steve Bannon.",
">\n\nDrag it out, do nothing, repeat. Glad the J6 group produced a ton of info and exposed a lot of the bs but what's the point of nothing really happens? Media circus? I'm so tired.",
">\n\nGreat precedent. It's good to know if I'm ever subpoenaed by congress I can just ignore it.",
">\n\nJ6 knew he'd puss out and just wanted to get it on the record. And for the same reason they haven't gone after Meadows for ignoring his subpoena, are all of the other serious crimes hanging over him and the orange Traitor in Chief, especially now, the subpoenas aren't worth the time and effort.",
">\n\n\nAnd for the same reason they haven't gone after Meadows for ignoring his subpoena\n\nTo be fair... the House voted him in criminal contempt and sent the referral to that to the DoJ. There wasn't really anything they could do beyond that with respect to his subpoena (yes, inherent contempt in theory exists, in practice it would have been useless for multiple reasons).\nMeadows is also included in the big criminal referrals the committee issued as part of their report as well.",
">\n\nAs usual, this country’s justice system is a joke",
">\n\nThis was a subpoena issued by the congress, not DOJ. He would be arrested if this was subpoena by DOJ and he didn’t show.",
">\n\nLike I said lol this country’s justice system is a joke",
">\n\nBut the justice system has not been involved yet!!! Congressional hearing is not an example of the justice system. The congress has referred the case to the DOJ or “the justice system” as a result of their hearing. DOJ will pursue a criminal investigation and pursue charges. \nJudiciary (justice system as you call it), congress, and executive branches are constitutionally separate and independent to ensure checks and balances.\nJustice system in the US is not ideal, but this specific instance is not an example of these inefficiencies. This is an example of how the congress has been ineffective in doing their legislative actions. In this instance the correct statement would be “Legislative system in this country is a joke.” Justice system has not had a chance to show its incompetence yet. That will be next.",
">\n\nNaive of you to think this is anything more than a show they’re putting on. Nothing will come of it, democrats are by nature pussies let’s be real. None have any teeth or claws. The right is full of a bunch of tribalistic monkeys, party is apparently more important than country. I guess I can rephrase, besides making money and being the best business in the world, America is a joke.",
">\n\n\"OMG. I'm so outraged by this even though I have no idea why.\"\nIt'd be nice if you guys learned the difference between the subpoena and the criminal referral. trump was never going to show up for the subpoena especially since the GOP is about to take control. It's a completely moot point.",
">\n\nExactly. The committee already referred him to the DoJ on criminal charges. Everyone is acting like they're just taking their ball and going home. They already went well and beyond a mere subpoena here, and one of the charges that they're recommending is obstruction already.",
">\n\nAren’t subpoenas mandatory with consequences? Either you show up or go to jail. Trump did neither.",
">\n\nNot if you are rich. Laws are you only for the the lower 90%",
">\n\nThis is such bullshit.",
">\n\nAnother precedent set for rich criminals to not comply. If we citizens didn’t show we’d be at a black site with electrodes on our genitals.",
">\n\nThey should have charged Trump with contempt of Congress.",
">\n\nSo whens the next uprising on behalf of rich people? Just be sure you're actually a political player because if you're just a worker you'll be charged. Chess has really changed over the past hundred years.",
">\n\nTotally expected. \nTrump, the really TV star, said he'd only agree to answer the subpoena if it were live & televised. It's quite obvious the reason is that he'd ignore the questioning & use the free air time to spew his BS, much like in the Presidential debates. \nAnd I'm sure the incoming Republican House would have loved to have given him the opportunity",
">\n\nyeah kinda moot at this point , they already made those criminal referrals anyways lol i wish they would have perused charging him for not showing up however but maybe they figured in light of everything they should focus on the key issues and at this point whatever he had to say really doesnt matter anyways as he would just lie. his testimony would pretty much be useless. its still a shame we didnt get to see it just for historys sake lol",
">\n\nAl trump would do is take the 5th like any other ordinary criminal",
">\n\nSo far as things have gone, will it now be ok for Democrats to ignore all the subpoenas that this next R House is going to send around? I’d think so….",
">\n\nOur government has failed us.... Good luck everyone.",
">\n\nAh yes the criminal Justice system, quite possibly the longest running joke in America",
">\n\n& you just know the cheeto will say something like, ha!, they dropped the subpoena cause they knew I am innocent, or some 💩 like that",
">\n\nNo surprise there. Trump is above the law, as he has proven time and again, over and over throughout the last several years. \nI will be surprised if anything comes out of this investigation, at all. \nI will be surprised if the next republican president isn't worse than Trump. \nI mean seriously, how do they convict him of anything if they can't even call him for questioning. Ever heard of anyone, ever, to get convicted of a crime that didn't have to talk to investigators at some point? \nFuck America. Fuck Trump. And fuck the pussy ass people who refuse to do their fucking job.",
">\n\nThey dropped it because it wasn't necessary and would have given him a national platform needlessly. DOJ will pass to the special council which will bring formal charges, if any will be brought.",
">\n\nThis is actually heartbreaking. Seen a lot of politicians and people of note show time and time again that the rules for EVERY CITIZEN don’t apply to them and this stings just a little more",
">\n\nMy theory that he is blackmailing everyone from the White House down with Area 51 malarky is still holding water...",
">\n\nLet us all start committing crimes and see how that goes, this is bs",
">\n\nSuch bs. I knew he would sleeze his way out of any consequences for his actions. This will only embolden him & his lunatic followers. He incites a riot that kills people & gets away with it. If any of us incited a riot, we would still be in jail & if people died during the riot, we would be charged with murder as well. So sick & tired of the double standard when it comes to a president who breaks the law & walks away, just like nixon did.",
">\n\nshould not have dropped\nshould have referred it to doj for contempt of congress...\nwhite rich continue to get a pass for what the rest of us would have long ago been prosecuted and imprisoned...",
">\n\nThey already referred him to DOJ for obstruction of a govt proceeding last week. What are you talking about?",
">\n\nYeah, because why would you want to subpoena the guy who was completely responsible for the entire thing?\nThe Chuck Schumer neoliberals have engineered this to completely let Trump get away with it - because they think the Republicans are still their friends and they don't want to piss them off!",
">\n\nThey subpoenaed trump months ago. He declined to show. Since, investigation is over, they dropped it. This is not even really news worthy.",
">\n\nHalf the people in this thread have no idea what they're talking about and are confusing the subpoena with the criminal referral.",
">\n\nOh, is that what's going on? Lol. I was wondering why ppl are making a big deal about this. This is just the committee cleaning up loose ends.",
">\n\nIt's a big deal if someone who's now a private citizen, can do wtf he wants and ignore a Congressional subpoena.",
">\n\nIt takes votes by congress to hold in contempt. They didn't need trump's testimony. He would just show up and repeat I plead the 5th anyway. Pence ignored his, too. It's pointless to hold them in contempt and get off focus of actual investigation.",
">\n\nYou're proving my point. Congressional Democrats should have enforced the subpoena and made Trump plead the 5th to every question. Imagine if Pence also appeared and pled the 5th to every question. That is political magic for the Democrats, it makes them look guilty as hell.\nTrump committed a crime, and this is America. It should be the same as if I committed a crime. We would get arrested, taken to jail until the morning, see a judge and face our charges, and then either get released on OR, held for trial, or bail set. It's not much of a democracy if laws are not enforced against powerful people.",
">\n\nOnce you all realize this is just a game and you’re the pawn things will make a lot more sense.",
">\n\nNow hear him cry about never getting a chance to testify when he’s charged.",
">\n\nI see this less as a “you’re excused” and more of a “see you in court”",
">\n\nNo need to bother with it when they've already finished their work. The only thing that testimony would have accomplished would have been getting Trump to look bad on national television, and a potential perjury charge. Trump already has embarrassed himself in public in a massive way since then, and they have bigger crimes to recommend to the DOJ for prosecution.",
">\n\nThe moment they announced the subpoena everyone got a hard on that trump would have to talk. I said it then and I’ll say it again, trump will never have to face any punishment and he doesn’t have to comply to any law or rules. They’re all more suggestions instead of laws.",
">\n\nWhat a waste of fucking time",
">\n\nSo......this was a big fat waste of time and money?",
">\n\nI mean they made a criminal referral so, no? The committee wasn’t set up to solely investigate Dolt 45 and took the testimony of over a thousand people, why is it you believe withdrawing one subpoena because the committee is winding down renders the entire process a “waste of time and money.”",
">\n\nNo mention on CNN that they dropped the subpoena after a year of January 6 January 6 January 6 terrible news station",
">\n\nWell, it’s being run by a Republican so go figure",
">\n\nTalk about the wheels of justice turning slow. In this case reversing altogether. Well done.",
">\n\nI wish this surprised me.",
">\n\nLOL God this is so funny\nWhat the fuck did y'all expect if you have money you are above the law. It only applies to the poor and those who step on the toes of capital.",
">\n\nWhat a waste of money",
">\n\n...And a Happy New Year!",
">\n\nClassic",
">\n\nShocking",
">\n\nOur governing body are a bunch of cowards. The US is being safeguarded by self-interested Congresspersons who speak about accountability and act on cowardice.",
">\n\nLet's be honest he'll get away with everything with a slap on the wrist. This country won't prosecute a sitting or former president or high ranking politician, we've seen this over and over. The whole committee is sadly a publicity stunt to gain traction for Democrat's. I hope I'm completely wrong of course and that this country will start to feel like it's a democracy.",
">\n\nThe coup is in effect.",
">\n\nI have a sad feeling this committee is going to end up like a fart in the wind",
">\n\nYou’re not wrong",
">\n\nWtf are you talking about?",
">\n\nHands",
">\n\nWho are you talking to? Lmao",
">\n\nWent out with a whimper. The most Democrat thing ever.\nWish the Dems would learn how to take the gloves off, at least they would have a shot against an opponent that has no problems filling their gloves with lead shot. Then bragging about it.",
">\n\nThe subpoena, and associated contempt charges would be nothing when compared to the recommendations made by the committee to the DOJ. Whether or not the DOJ will act is all that matters at this point.",
">\n\nPathetic pieces of shit",
">\n\nAll theatre, all the time. Seems like by now, to most people, that somehow being trolled by their favorite elected might be possible.",
">\n\nSo wait, he just gets away with everything? Just like that?\nWhat about all the articles saying that Trump will most likely spend the rest of his life in prison?",
">\n\nThe subpoena has nothing to do with the recommendations made by the committee to the DOJ. The ball is in the DOJ’s court. The subpoena doesn’t impact anything. Absurd that he didn’t get held in contempt, but that is more of a distraction than anything.",
">\n\nI see. Thanks for explaining!",
">\n\nCan anyone explain why he was not arrested for not responding to the subpoena? I thought you had to respond to these?",
">\n\nFirst they would have had to vote for contempt. Then they would need to issue a referral to DOJ, then DOJ would need to consider it. That is not happening in a week before the new congress is sworn in an this committee expires. They have issued their report and no longer need to speak to him. That is why it was withdrawn. Their job is done.",
">\n\nSubpoenas are real, or they’re not.\nIn the real world if any person defied or ignored a subpoena they would be arrested immediately.\nWhy are some Americans allowed to break the law in broad daylight.",
">\n\nWhy is the DOJ dragging its feet in charging anyone?",
">\n\nDOJ has charged over 700 people out of January 6 and they continue to charge cases. Most of these cases took months if not years to come to fruition.\nAt the end of the day DOJ has no obligation to act on any of the committee’s referrals, although I believe they already have ongoing investigations as to several of the subjects. If anything new comes out of the committee’s work it’s unlikely to happen soon.",
">\n\nThe US is beyond broken. The wealthy can do whatever they want while we are the only ones who face consequences. I can’t wait to leave this shithole again. I won’t be making the mistake of coming back like I did last year.",
">\n\nSuch a farce",
">\n\nBut he wanted to appear!!",
">\n\nThe walls are closing in.",
">\n\nOk, people. Quit guilt-edging and go home.",
">\n\nWait so what is Trump a dastardly super villain who keeps getting away or a dumb oaf. You guys just can't decide.",
">\n\nI can’t wait until nothing happens!\nHas it happened yet?",
">\n\n“All animals are equal but some animals are more equal than others.” \nHey, do you think Reddit will ever reach a state of Nirvana where it will stop claiming “Trump is really sweating now!”?",
">\n\nDoes this not set some sort of precedence? If I now get subpoenaed for something can I not just point to Trump/Barr/Holder and say “no thank you”?",
">\n\nWithdrawing a subpoena sets no precedent and is not at all uncommon.",
">\n\nThe subpoena was issued quite some time ago wasn’t it? And he just flat refused. Were Barr and Holder’s also withdrawn?",
">\n\nI saw the headline and thought the committee dropped a subpoena the way you drop an album. Then I read the article and saw that they dropped it like you drop an extra filler track from an album.",
">\n\nIt would have been a waste of time anyway. \n\"Mr. Trump, did you tell your supporters that the election was stolen and send your supporters to violently break into the capitol building to stop Joe Biden from becoming president\"? - January 6th Committee \n\"The fifth\"! - Trump\nDOJ do your job to save this nation from tyranny and further destruction!🙏",
">\n\nSurprised pikachu face",
">\n\nBut these are the same people that wanted peaceful blm protestors bathed in their own blood? What point do we all take this into our own hands",
">\n\nOh, wow. This is really bad for you, US. Like ultra super deluxe so very not good.",
">\n\nLmao…\n“ThE WaLLs arE cLoSIng in”",
">\n\nwell duh...\npolitics from the beginning",
">\n\nWhat an absolute joke.",
">\n\nInb4 trump takes this decision and expresses it as: “completely exonerated!!!”",
">\n\nThey don’t need his testimony. As if he would ever go anywhere close to a government building after the committee’s final report. Just let him relax to make it easier to arrest him",
">\n\nfucking why?",
">\n\nIsn’t the rule that if you don’t comply with a congressional subpoena you can be held in contempt and fined or jailed? Can the House sergeant-at-arms arrest the person?",
">\n\nWow, naw fuck this.",
">\n\nHe wouldn't show up anyways...🐣",
">\n\nTFG is so slippery, Teflon wouldn't stick",
">\n\nNothing will truly come to fruition until we go out into the streets and force this issue ourselves.",
">\n\nWhat’s the point of that?",
">\n\nTold you.",
">\n\nSad, and utterly predictable.\nZero accountability is the death of liberty. Actual freedom means lawlessness, rather than being a nation of laws. \nThe GOP has now proved that no law matters, and that, like Russia, we are a nation governed by the biggest criminal.",
">\n\nHe should be forced to comply, then you can say you are done",
">\n\nAn absolute travesty of justice. I would've said keep the subpoena open forever. If there's some way for the subpoena's issuing body to dissolve without legally dropping the subpoena, thus leaving it in a permanent state of legal limbo, I would have advocated for that, so that the GOP could never whitewash the fact that he defied a lawfully issued subpoena.\nOtherwise, make the GOP drop it themselves; let them be the ones who let him get away with openly flouting a subpoena."
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"So far Trump's legal strategy of ignoring calls for accountability until Republicans in Congress can bail him out is workingly flawlessly.",
">\n\nThat doesn’t mean the DoJ can’t charge and prosecute. \nRight now everything is in response to republicans getting their slim majority in the house and lessen the damage they will do.\nThat said, they still have the mountain of evidence they did gather",
">\n\nWhat about when the AG/DOJ is a GOP appointee? You don’t think they’ll just put in a Bill Barr type on the entire thing?",
">\n\nNot while they have a democratic president and especially when the previous president lost them the midterms.\nThey were already planning on replacing trump with Desantes by equating the 2 (Martha’s Vineyard was part of that), they’re only gonna lose trying to put their party’s future on the line protect him further.\nThey gonna continue to spread doubt and try to discredit the investigations, but they’re barely holding onto a branch of government, they’re not stupid. Barr only worked because they held onto 2",
">\n\nUmmm that’s not what I meant. If a GOP candidate for President wins in 2024 , what are the actual legal implications. It’s not like it’s below them to interfere like they did with the collusion charges",
">\n\n\nThe House January 6 committee is withdrawing its subpoena of former President Donald Trump as it concludes its work.\n“In light of the imminent end of our investigation, the Select Committee can no longer pursue the specific information covered by the subpoena,” Chairman Bennie Thompson, a Mississippi Democrat, wrote in a letter to Trump’s attorney Wednesday obtained by CNN.\n“Therefore, through this letter, I hereby formally withdraw the subpoena issued to former President Trump, and notify you that he is no longer obligated to comply or produce records in response to said subpoena,” Thompson added.",
">\n\nConclusion: Former president Trump is above the law.",
">\n\nYeah kind of makes me sad. Trump can just ignore a subpoena, with zero consequences. \n“We believe you tried to overthrow the government. You are legally required to come talk to us about it.”\n“No thanks.”\n“Oh. Ok, never mind.”",
">\n\nNo consequences? He's has been referred to the DOJ for obstruction of a govt processing last week. They held a recorded vote.",
">\n\nThat’s not a consequence. It’s kicking the can. Trump will never, ever be held responsible for his role in destroying democracy in America.",
">\n\nThis is not TV or a movie. \"The wheels of justice grind slowly yet exceedingly fine\" is a saying for a reason. Federal investigations usually take years.",
">\n\nHe’s been investigated for years. No consequences. Just special appointments, investigations, and referrals. In the mean time, you know who DOES face consequences?\nAmerica.",
">\n\nYou are judging the end of the movie before it is over.\nThe previous investigations were being done while he had the shield of the presidency and an attorney general running obstruction for him. None of that is true now.",
">\n\nThe GOP will continue fighting on his behalf, because the majority are complicit in 45’s fuckery. Again, no consequences will be had. I’m willing to wager a gift card to your favorite local restaurant that he will live fat, rich, and free until at least the 2024/25 inauguration. Save this post.",
">\n\nWe'll see about that. I'll admit to the loss if thats the case.",
">\n\nMore proof that we the people have no rights in comparison to the billionaire ticks.",
">\n\nDude ain't no billionaire",
">\n\nNo, but his buddies are.",
">\n\nHis puppet masters maybe",
">\n\nI mean, who would have thought not starting the fight sooner would end like this?",
">\n\nDon’t worry. He’s got so many more coming.",
">\n\nThe idea that Trump will pay any price for his crimes is a fantasy.",
">\n\nIt’s actually happening. His company has been found guilty. His charity is closed. His cohorts are about to go to jail. His popularity sagging. Protection is gone. We just need the first indictment.",
">\n\nBut none is him",
">\n\nWell Trump Org is pretty much him but be patient.",
">\n\nDrops in the bucket. \nBeen patient for like 6 years now. How much more we gotta wait?",
">\n\nHe couldn’t be prosecuted while president. Watch GA and the special prosecutor. They’re moving fast.",
">\n\nCouldn't be?\nShould have been.",
">\n\nThat’s absolutely wild that any man is able to just straight up ignore a subpoena with zero consequences. Definition of “above the law”. If he gets away with this, he is going to be more dangerous than ever. You get away with leading a coup/insurrection, you’re going to assume you can get away with literally anything. \nMaybe trump was right… he really could shoot someone in the middle of 5th avenue and not lose any voters…and also probably not even get in trouble",
">\n\nSerious questions...so the committee pull the subpoena, but it's up to DOJ for any additional follow up, but when the new congress is in session they can tell DOJ to drop everything? Is that how's its going to go down? Because I thought DOJ is supposed to be independent once given the committee's findings?",
">\n\nThe DOJ is certainly independent of Congress. As for the committee - the only thing they would've done differently was vote on a criminal referral for contempt of Congress. Although there is some truth to congressional contempt needing to stem from congress, The DOJ has no obligation to act on a referral - it is more akin to a recommendation.\nWith that being said, the committee knew it wasn't going to serve any real benefit, so they decided not to.\n\nThe DOJ decided not to prosecute Meadows and Scavino for contempt due to their close ties to the executive. This pretty much ruled out any chance of it happening to Trump, a former President. \nEven a completely successful referral (Steve Bannon) showed how inconsequential Congressional subpoena power is. For one, it is a misdemeanor. It has been ~15 months since Bannon was referred, and he was found guilty and sentenced, and he is still a free man pending appeal. And even if upheld, it's only 4 months in prison as just shy of maximum sentencing guidelines. \nThe DOJ, if they prosecute, are aiming at much bigger crimes - notably Obstruction of an Official Proceeding, which carries up to 20 years. And they'd be potentially trying these crimes in the same jurisdiction.\n\nSo I'm sure the calculation was that it just wasn't worth throwing a referral at the DOJ for something they'd never follow up on, and wouldn't be much benefit if they did.",
">\n\nIn summary, he’s committed so many crimes that this one isn’t worth any effort",
">\n\nEssentially, yeah. The DOJ has two big chances to secure a conviction: Mar-A-Lago and Jan. 6 - and they will likely bring multiple charges in a D.C. court if they decide to prosecute. Mar-A-Lago will come first, which has virtually nothing to do with this committee's work.\nReferring a misdemeanor to tack onto 4 serious felonies they referred probably only risked muddying the larger offenses. Can't blame them honestly.",
">\n\nWhat is “Mar a Lago” in this context! The tax scheme? Classified documents?",
">\n\nThe classified documents",
">\n\nSmall point but they weren't all classified and don't need to be, for what he did to be illegal. Just trying to avoid republican framing.",
">\n\nHillary was not afraid to testify every time she was asked (and testified for hours and hours each time, answering all questions asked) and never took the 5th. Yet republicans act like she is the criminal when it always has been trump.",
">\n\nEven if she was wrong she was smarter than any of the R in the room. That woman was a machine during those hearings and gave them nothing to work with.",
">\n\nShe is definitely smarter than that barrel of monkeys who questioned her, but ultimately, there was nothing to get from her - the perfect opposite case of crimey benedict donald and his co-conspirators.",
">\n\nIt's interesting to see that people think this subpoena would have continued to exist past Jan 3, 2023 given that that's when ALL open subpoenas from the outgoing congress expire and become null and void. Even if the J6 committee continued to exist- they would be required to file a brand new one in the new session.",
">\n\nIt wouldn't be that hard to file a brand new subpoena, they have lawyers who work full-time for them. That isn't an obstacle.",
">\n\nExcept for the committee doesn't exist in the new Congress and they have no powers to do anything if they don't exist.",
">\n\nIt's easy to get the two confused a lot of times.",
">\n\nHow many of y'all actually thought he wasn't going to run out the clock? \nNothing will fundamentally change.",
">\n\nNobody. The “justice takes time” chorus that dominated the narrative was only here to quell social unrest so society didn’t take a dive while the rich mocked us from their golden pedestals.",
">\n\nSerious question: Why? So what if the Dems lose power in the Congress. Let the Republicans be the one to formally dismantle the committee and subpoena on record. Then when hopefully Trump is charged by the DOJ, dems have another talking point for 2024 that the Republicans hate law and order and protect mob bosses.",
">\n\nThe select committee expires at the end of the congressional session. So they do not need to question him because the committee will not exist.",
">\n\nBut what is the point of formally withdrawing the subpoena? What does it accomplish?",
">\n\nThe committee is over. They have issued the report, they are closing up shop. They are following the process. A secondary part of the committees job was to show how a REAL congressional hearing should be handled. None of that sloppy ass grandstanding they did for Benghazi",
">\n\nMy viewpoint is that Trump and the GOP are just going to use this as “proof” that he did nothing wrong. Remember how the Mueller report “exonerated” Trump? His base believes this shit wholeheartedly and I guarantee he will use this as “evidence” for his innocence.\nShowing how things SHOULD be handled instead of taking whatever measures needed to protect Americans lead to Jan 6th happening in the first place. We all know how things should be handled, how the rules should work, but one side is willing to do whatever they need to keep power and the other is getting walked over.\nIs taking the high road worth letting fascism into our government?",
">\n\nIt’s good to know that republicans are allowed to ignore subpoenas. That’s useful info for them. Don’t expect dems to get that treatment",
">\n\nThey dropped the ball in not issuing one a couple of months ago",
">\n\nActually the Democrats have done everything not to ever pick up the ball even once. They let trump appointed republicans appoint a republican special counsel to fall like a straw man to blatant obstruction in the Russia probe. They turned it into a fundraiser for campaigning. \nThis time they let liz Cheney take the reins, who was able to preserve her republican prerogatives throughout this entire ordeal. \nThe fact is that you're all being cucked by forces of controlled opposition and I'm apparently the only one in the world who can't be so easily mitigated.\nI can't depend on any of you anymore than you can depend on yourselves.",
">\n\nYou lost all credibility at the end when you said cuck and act like you’re the smartest person in the world. Be gone!",
">\n\nYeah, I don't know how anyone can be expected to be taken seriously using that whole sentence unironically.",
">\n\nI don't expect to be taken seriously whether I say it or not, yet the facts remain as I've described.",
">\n\nI didn’t see that coming, said absolutely no one.",
">\n\nWhy.",
">\n\nHUGE mistake. The committee will be dissolved by the GOPers in a couple weeks, and all this did was to give the Marmalade Moses another fake victory to rile up his lemmings.",
">\n\nIt’s funny because I say the same thing every time about trump never getting charged and I always get shit about it like BUT NO THIS TIME IS DIFFERENT. \nLmao right. Sure it is.",
">\n\nFucking same. This is just more “ammo” for his orange, shit spewing mouth.",
">\n\nThis guy is still getting more media coverage than the current potus two years into his term. Crazy.",
">\n\nIt does blow that he wasn't forced to comply with the subpoena but for people thinking what a bummer this seems like, the house is switching to a republican majority in like a week so it didn't make a whole lot of sense to leave an active subpoena on record knowing it would never be resolved. They likely knew he wasn't going to comply when it was issued only now its offical that it was officially issued, ignored by trump, and terminated. Who knows if the DOJ will eventually file but everyone pretty much already knew that little temper tantrum trump wasn't going to aid in his own house sedition investigation.",
">\n\nIf we restrict ourselves to the issue of compliance with a subpoena from this committee, then the recent election clearly mooted every aspect of penalties or consequences related to ignoring the subpoena.\nIt's like a big brother was called over and little bro wanted him to force his adversary to bow and kiss the ground. But by the time big bro finally wanders over, the kid goes \"nah... we're good.\"\nA lot of folk like to believe contempt of court or contempt of congress is like any other crime where you do the deed and have to face the punishment. But, in general, these things do not work like crimes. Even where contempt has been codified such that there is a criminal contempt aspect, the goal remains to seek or to force compliance. This leads to \"punishments\" which are better or worse depending on how you view things. A simple view is that you could be \"sentenced\" to indefinite incarceration because it's a \"jailed until compliance\" thing.\nIn this case, Congress has been very, very reticent to try to use their inherent power to jail someone. So the most they ever do these days is refer the case to the DoJ to pursue criminal contempt of congress.\nAll in all, is this a \"good\" thing? Maybe it's not as bad as we feel it to be. Imagine any sort of argument where someone demands you do something. You retort \"are you sure?\" Bystanders urge folk cool down and think about it. Map that into the way Congress changes every two years and you get a sense that unless something is important enough that it remains after the public alters the composition of the legislative branch, maybe it's not all that important (to the public) after all.\nOn the other hand, why would anyone fear Congress when they demonstrate time and again there never really are any consequences for refusal to comply with subpoenas? But... do we want to quake in fear whenever some nutjob party gains control and enacts something as dire as the Committee on Unamerican Activities?",
">\n\nWhat is the advantage of dropping the subpoena, as opposed to just letting it expire/letting the new congress withdraw it? Why go on record saying he no longer has to come in? I get that he was never going to show, I’m just curious why this is better than the alternative.",
">\n\nI’m wondering this too. There has to be a good reason.",
">\n\n?? Why, like it had no power, but still why? This looks like weakness",
">\n\nThe subpoena expires when the new congress is sworn in on Jan 3rd. There was no practical way to enforce it.",
">\n\nWhy not just let it expire?\nNow Republicans have a talking point that the January 6th Committee withdrew their subpoena.\nThey'll use it to muddy the waters and spread more misinformation.",
">\n\nThey already had their talking points. They've had them the whole time. They already released a \"counter report\" to the J6 committee. The committee withdrew it because they are closing up shop. The report is out. Where would Donnie's answers go?",
">\n\nWhy was he not charged with contempt for no show? Once again, he gets let off for bad behaviour",
">\n\nBecause they referred him for 4 much more serious crimes with longer sentences. Referring him for this is essentially pointless.",
">\n\nYes, but i see it as another nail in the coffin, and also sends a message that subpoenas are not to be ignored",
">\n\nImagine if you or I tried to just ignore a subpoena.",
">\n\nIt’s OK if you’re a Republican, as the war criminal’s daughter who voted in line with Trump’s policies during her House tenure can attest.",
">\n\nAnother instance of unequal justice under the law, imo. If you or I disregarded a subpoena from Congress we'd be going to jail...like Steve Bannon.",
">\n\nDrag it out, do nothing, repeat. Glad the J6 group produced a ton of info and exposed a lot of the bs but what's the point of nothing really happens? Media circus? I'm so tired.",
">\n\nGreat precedent. It's good to know if I'm ever subpoenaed by congress I can just ignore it.",
">\n\nJ6 knew he'd puss out and just wanted to get it on the record. And for the same reason they haven't gone after Meadows for ignoring his subpoena, are all of the other serious crimes hanging over him and the orange Traitor in Chief, especially now, the subpoenas aren't worth the time and effort.",
">\n\n\nAnd for the same reason they haven't gone after Meadows for ignoring his subpoena\n\nTo be fair... the House voted him in criminal contempt and sent the referral to that to the DoJ. There wasn't really anything they could do beyond that with respect to his subpoena (yes, inherent contempt in theory exists, in practice it would have been useless for multiple reasons).\nMeadows is also included in the big criminal referrals the committee issued as part of their report as well.",
">\n\nAs usual, this country’s justice system is a joke",
">\n\nThis was a subpoena issued by the congress, not DOJ. He would be arrested if this was subpoena by DOJ and he didn’t show.",
">\n\nLike I said lol this country’s justice system is a joke",
">\n\nBut the justice system has not been involved yet!!! Congressional hearing is not an example of the justice system. The congress has referred the case to the DOJ or “the justice system” as a result of their hearing. DOJ will pursue a criminal investigation and pursue charges. \nJudiciary (justice system as you call it), congress, and executive branches are constitutionally separate and independent to ensure checks and balances.\nJustice system in the US is not ideal, but this specific instance is not an example of these inefficiencies. This is an example of how the congress has been ineffective in doing their legislative actions. In this instance the correct statement would be “Legislative system in this country is a joke.” Justice system has not had a chance to show its incompetence yet. That will be next.",
">\n\nNaive of you to think this is anything more than a show they’re putting on. Nothing will come of it, democrats are by nature pussies let’s be real. None have any teeth or claws. The right is full of a bunch of tribalistic monkeys, party is apparently more important than country. I guess I can rephrase, besides making money and being the best business in the world, America is a joke.",
">\n\n\"OMG. I'm so outraged by this even though I have no idea why.\"\nIt'd be nice if you guys learned the difference between the subpoena and the criminal referral. trump was never going to show up for the subpoena especially since the GOP is about to take control. It's a completely moot point.",
">\n\nExactly. The committee already referred him to the DoJ on criminal charges. Everyone is acting like they're just taking their ball and going home. They already went well and beyond a mere subpoena here, and one of the charges that they're recommending is obstruction already.",
">\n\nAren’t subpoenas mandatory with consequences? Either you show up or go to jail. Trump did neither.",
">\n\nNot if you are rich. Laws are you only for the the lower 90%",
">\n\nThis is such bullshit.",
">\n\nAnother precedent set for rich criminals to not comply. If we citizens didn’t show we’d be at a black site with electrodes on our genitals.",
">\n\nThey should have charged Trump with contempt of Congress.",
">\n\nSo whens the next uprising on behalf of rich people? Just be sure you're actually a political player because if you're just a worker you'll be charged. Chess has really changed over the past hundred years.",
">\n\nTotally expected. \nTrump, the really TV star, said he'd only agree to answer the subpoena if it were live & televised. It's quite obvious the reason is that he'd ignore the questioning & use the free air time to spew his BS, much like in the Presidential debates. \nAnd I'm sure the incoming Republican House would have loved to have given him the opportunity",
">\n\nyeah kinda moot at this point , they already made those criminal referrals anyways lol i wish they would have perused charging him for not showing up however but maybe they figured in light of everything they should focus on the key issues and at this point whatever he had to say really doesnt matter anyways as he would just lie. his testimony would pretty much be useless. its still a shame we didnt get to see it just for historys sake lol",
">\n\nAl trump would do is take the 5th like any other ordinary criminal",
">\n\nSo far as things have gone, will it now be ok for Democrats to ignore all the subpoenas that this next R House is going to send around? I’d think so….",
">\n\nOur government has failed us.... Good luck everyone.",
">\n\nAh yes the criminal Justice system, quite possibly the longest running joke in America",
">\n\n& you just know the cheeto will say something like, ha!, they dropped the subpoena cause they knew I am innocent, or some 💩 like that",
">\n\nNo surprise there. Trump is above the law, as he has proven time and again, over and over throughout the last several years. \nI will be surprised if anything comes out of this investigation, at all. \nI will be surprised if the next republican president isn't worse than Trump. \nI mean seriously, how do they convict him of anything if they can't even call him for questioning. Ever heard of anyone, ever, to get convicted of a crime that didn't have to talk to investigators at some point? \nFuck America. Fuck Trump. And fuck the pussy ass people who refuse to do their fucking job.",
">\n\nThey dropped it because it wasn't necessary and would have given him a national platform needlessly. DOJ will pass to the special council which will bring formal charges, if any will be brought.",
">\n\nThis is actually heartbreaking. Seen a lot of politicians and people of note show time and time again that the rules for EVERY CITIZEN don’t apply to them and this stings just a little more",
">\n\nMy theory that he is blackmailing everyone from the White House down with Area 51 malarky is still holding water...",
">\n\nLet us all start committing crimes and see how that goes, this is bs",
">\n\nSuch bs. I knew he would sleeze his way out of any consequences for his actions. This will only embolden him & his lunatic followers. He incites a riot that kills people & gets away with it. If any of us incited a riot, we would still be in jail & if people died during the riot, we would be charged with murder as well. So sick & tired of the double standard when it comes to a president who breaks the law & walks away, just like nixon did.",
">\n\nshould not have dropped\nshould have referred it to doj for contempt of congress...\nwhite rich continue to get a pass for what the rest of us would have long ago been prosecuted and imprisoned...",
">\n\nThey already referred him to DOJ for obstruction of a govt proceeding last week. What are you talking about?",
">\n\nYeah, because why would you want to subpoena the guy who was completely responsible for the entire thing?\nThe Chuck Schumer neoliberals have engineered this to completely let Trump get away with it - because they think the Republicans are still their friends and they don't want to piss them off!",
">\n\nThey subpoenaed trump months ago. He declined to show. Since, investigation is over, they dropped it. This is not even really news worthy.",
">\n\nHalf the people in this thread have no idea what they're talking about and are confusing the subpoena with the criminal referral.",
">\n\nOh, is that what's going on? Lol. I was wondering why ppl are making a big deal about this. This is just the committee cleaning up loose ends.",
">\n\nIt's a big deal if someone who's now a private citizen, can do wtf he wants and ignore a Congressional subpoena.",
">\n\nIt takes votes by congress to hold in contempt. They didn't need trump's testimony. He would just show up and repeat I plead the 5th anyway. Pence ignored his, too. It's pointless to hold them in contempt and get off focus of actual investigation.",
">\n\nYou're proving my point. Congressional Democrats should have enforced the subpoena and made Trump plead the 5th to every question. Imagine if Pence also appeared and pled the 5th to every question. That is political magic for the Democrats, it makes them look guilty as hell.\nTrump committed a crime, and this is America. It should be the same as if I committed a crime. We would get arrested, taken to jail until the morning, see a judge and face our charges, and then either get released on OR, held for trial, or bail set. It's not much of a democracy if laws are not enforced against powerful people.",
">\n\nOnce you all realize this is just a game and you’re the pawn things will make a lot more sense.",
">\n\nNow hear him cry about never getting a chance to testify when he’s charged.",
">\n\nI see this less as a “you’re excused” and more of a “see you in court”",
">\n\nNo need to bother with it when they've already finished their work. The only thing that testimony would have accomplished would have been getting Trump to look bad on national television, and a potential perjury charge. Trump already has embarrassed himself in public in a massive way since then, and they have bigger crimes to recommend to the DOJ for prosecution.",
">\n\nThe moment they announced the subpoena everyone got a hard on that trump would have to talk. I said it then and I’ll say it again, trump will never have to face any punishment and he doesn’t have to comply to any law or rules. They’re all more suggestions instead of laws.",
">\n\nWhat a waste of fucking time",
">\n\nSo......this was a big fat waste of time and money?",
">\n\nI mean they made a criminal referral so, no? The committee wasn’t set up to solely investigate Dolt 45 and took the testimony of over a thousand people, why is it you believe withdrawing one subpoena because the committee is winding down renders the entire process a “waste of time and money.”",
">\n\nNo mention on CNN that they dropped the subpoena after a year of January 6 January 6 January 6 terrible news station",
">\n\nWell, it’s being run by a Republican so go figure",
">\n\nTalk about the wheels of justice turning slow. In this case reversing altogether. Well done.",
">\n\nI wish this surprised me.",
">\n\nLOL God this is so funny\nWhat the fuck did y'all expect if you have money you are above the law. It only applies to the poor and those who step on the toes of capital.",
">\n\nWhat a waste of money",
">\n\n...And a Happy New Year!",
">\n\nClassic",
">\n\nShocking",
">\n\nOur governing body are a bunch of cowards. The US is being safeguarded by self-interested Congresspersons who speak about accountability and act on cowardice.",
">\n\nLet's be honest he'll get away with everything with a slap on the wrist. This country won't prosecute a sitting or former president or high ranking politician, we've seen this over and over. The whole committee is sadly a publicity stunt to gain traction for Democrat's. I hope I'm completely wrong of course and that this country will start to feel like it's a democracy.",
">\n\nThe coup is in effect.",
">\n\nI have a sad feeling this committee is going to end up like a fart in the wind",
">\n\nYou’re not wrong",
">\n\nWtf are you talking about?",
">\n\nHands",
">\n\nWho are you talking to? Lmao",
">\n\nWent out with a whimper. The most Democrat thing ever.\nWish the Dems would learn how to take the gloves off, at least they would have a shot against an opponent that has no problems filling their gloves with lead shot. Then bragging about it.",
">\n\nThe subpoena, and associated contempt charges would be nothing when compared to the recommendations made by the committee to the DOJ. Whether or not the DOJ will act is all that matters at this point.",
">\n\nPathetic pieces of shit",
">\n\nAll theatre, all the time. Seems like by now, to most people, that somehow being trolled by their favorite elected might be possible.",
">\n\nSo wait, he just gets away with everything? Just like that?\nWhat about all the articles saying that Trump will most likely spend the rest of his life in prison?",
">\n\nThe subpoena has nothing to do with the recommendations made by the committee to the DOJ. The ball is in the DOJ’s court. The subpoena doesn’t impact anything. Absurd that he didn’t get held in contempt, but that is more of a distraction than anything.",
">\n\nI see. Thanks for explaining!",
">\n\nCan anyone explain why he was not arrested for not responding to the subpoena? I thought you had to respond to these?",
">\n\nFirst they would have had to vote for contempt. Then they would need to issue a referral to DOJ, then DOJ would need to consider it. That is not happening in a week before the new congress is sworn in an this committee expires. They have issued their report and no longer need to speak to him. That is why it was withdrawn. Their job is done.",
">\n\nSubpoenas are real, or they’re not.\nIn the real world if any person defied or ignored a subpoena they would be arrested immediately.\nWhy are some Americans allowed to break the law in broad daylight.",
">\n\nWhy is the DOJ dragging its feet in charging anyone?",
">\n\nDOJ has charged over 700 people out of January 6 and they continue to charge cases. Most of these cases took months if not years to come to fruition.\nAt the end of the day DOJ has no obligation to act on any of the committee’s referrals, although I believe they already have ongoing investigations as to several of the subjects. If anything new comes out of the committee’s work it’s unlikely to happen soon.",
">\n\nThe US is beyond broken. The wealthy can do whatever they want while we are the only ones who face consequences. I can’t wait to leave this shithole again. I won’t be making the mistake of coming back like I did last year.",
">\n\nSuch a farce",
">\n\nBut he wanted to appear!!",
">\n\nThe walls are closing in.",
">\n\nOk, people. Quit guilt-edging and go home.",
">\n\nWait so what is Trump a dastardly super villain who keeps getting away or a dumb oaf. You guys just can't decide.",
">\n\nI can’t wait until nothing happens!\nHas it happened yet?",
">\n\n“All animals are equal but some animals are more equal than others.” \nHey, do you think Reddit will ever reach a state of Nirvana where it will stop claiming “Trump is really sweating now!”?",
">\n\nDoes this not set some sort of precedence? If I now get subpoenaed for something can I not just point to Trump/Barr/Holder and say “no thank you”?",
">\n\nWithdrawing a subpoena sets no precedent and is not at all uncommon.",
">\n\nThe subpoena was issued quite some time ago wasn’t it? And he just flat refused. Were Barr and Holder’s also withdrawn?",
">\n\nI saw the headline and thought the committee dropped a subpoena the way you drop an album. Then I read the article and saw that they dropped it like you drop an extra filler track from an album.",
">\n\nIt would have been a waste of time anyway. \n\"Mr. Trump, did you tell your supporters that the election was stolen and send your supporters to violently break into the capitol building to stop Joe Biden from becoming president\"? - January 6th Committee \n\"The fifth\"! - Trump\nDOJ do your job to save this nation from tyranny and further destruction!🙏",
">\n\nSurprised pikachu face",
">\n\nBut these are the same people that wanted peaceful blm protestors bathed in their own blood? What point do we all take this into our own hands",
">\n\nOh, wow. This is really bad for you, US. Like ultra super deluxe so very not good.",
">\n\nLmao…\n“ThE WaLLs arE cLoSIng in”",
">\n\nwell duh...\npolitics from the beginning",
">\n\nWhat an absolute joke.",
">\n\nInb4 trump takes this decision and expresses it as: “completely exonerated!!!”",
">\n\nThey don’t need his testimony. As if he would ever go anywhere close to a government building after the committee’s final report. Just let him relax to make it easier to arrest him",
">\n\nfucking why?",
">\n\nIsn’t the rule that if you don’t comply with a congressional subpoena you can be held in contempt and fined or jailed? Can the House sergeant-at-arms arrest the person?",
">\n\nWow, naw fuck this.",
">\n\nHe wouldn't show up anyways...🐣",
">\n\nTFG is so slippery, Teflon wouldn't stick",
">\n\nNothing will truly come to fruition until we go out into the streets and force this issue ourselves.",
">\n\nWhat’s the point of that?",
">\n\nTold you.",
">\n\nSad, and utterly predictable.\nZero accountability is the death of liberty. Actual freedom means lawlessness, rather than being a nation of laws. \nThe GOP has now proved that no law matters, and that, like Russia, we are a nation governed by the biggest criminal.",
">\n\nHe should be forced to comply, then you can say you are done",
">\n\nAn absolute travesty of justice. I would've said keep the subpoena open forever. If there's some way for the subpoena's issuing body to dissolve without legally dropping the subpoena, thus leaving it in a permanent state of legal limbo, I would have advocated for that, so that the GOP could never whitewash the fact that he defied a lawfully issued subpoena.\nOtherwise, make the GOP drop it themselves; let them be the ones who let him get away with openly flouting a subpoena.",
">\n\nSo that's it???? This ASSHOLE is scott free from prosecution?"
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"So far Trump's legal strategy of ignoring calls for accountability until Republicans in Congress can bail him out is workingly flawlessly.",
">\n\nThat doesn’t mean the DoJ can’t charge and prosecute. \nRight now everything is in response to republicans getting their slim majority in the house and lessen the damage they will do.\nThat said, they still have the mountain of evidence they did gather",
">\n\nWhat about when the AG/DOJ is a GOP appointee? You don’t think they’ll just put in a Bill Barr type on the entire thing?",
">\n\nNot while they have a democratic president and especially when the previous president lost them the midterms.\nThey were already planning on replacing trump with Desantes by equating the 2 (Martha’s Vineyard was part of that), they’re only gonna lose trying to put their party’s future on the line protect him further.\nThey gonna continue to spread doubt and try to discredit the investigations, but they’re barely holding onto a branch of government, they’re not stupid. Barr only worked because they held onto 2",
">\n\nUmmm that’s not what I meant. If a GOP candidate for President wins in 2024 , what are the actual legal implications. It’s not like it’s below them to interfere like they did with the collusion charges",
">\n\n\nThe House January 6 committee is withdrawing its subpoena of former President Donald Trump as it concludes its work.\n“In light of the imminent end of our investigation, the Select Committee can no longer pursue the specific information covered by the subpoena,” Chairman Bennie Thompson, a Mississippi Democrat, wrote in a letter to Trump’s attorney Wednesday obtained by CNN.\n“Therefore, through this letter, I hereby formally withdraw the subpoena issued to former President Trump, and notify you that he is no longer obligated to comply or produce records in response to said subpoena,” Thompson added.",
">\n\nConclusion: Former president Trump is above the law.",
">\n\nYeah kind of makes me sad. Trump can just ignore a subpoena, with zero consequences. \n“We believe you tried to overthrow the government. You are legally required to come talk to us about it.”\n“No thanks.”\n“Oh. Ok, never mind.”",
">\n\nNo consequences? He's has been referred to the DOJ for obstruction of a govt processing last week. They held a recorded vote.",
">\n\nThat’s not a consequence. It’s kicking the can. Trump will never, ever be held responsible for his role in destroying democracy in America.",
">\n\nThis is not TV or a movie. \"The wheels of justice grind slowly yet exceedingly fine\" is a saying for a reason. Federal investigations usually take years.",
">\n\nHe’s been investigated for years. No consequences. Just special appointments, investigations, and referrals. In the mean time, you know who DOES face consequences?\nAmerica.",
">\n\nYou are judging the end of the movie before it is over.\nThe previous investigations were being done while he had the shield of the presidency and an attorney general running obstruction for him. None of that is true now.",
">\n\nThe GOP will continue fighting on his behalf, because the majority are complicit in 45’s fuckery. Again, no consequences will be had. I’m willing to wager a gift card to your favorite local restaurant that he will live fat, rich, and free until at least the 2024/25 inauguration. Save this post.",
">\n\nWe'll see about that. I'll admit to the loss if thats the case.",
">\n\nMore proof that we the people have no rights in comparison to the billionaire ticks.",
">\n\nDude ain't no billionaire",
">\n\nNo, but his buddies are.",
">\n\nHis puppet masters maybe",
">\n\nI mean, who would have thought not starting the fight sooner would end like this?",
">\n\nDon’t worry. He’s got so many more coming.",
">\n\nThe idea that Trump will pay any price for his crimes is a fantasy.",
">\n\nIt’s actually happening. His company has been found guilty. His charity is closed. His cohorts are about to go to jail. His popularity sagging. Protection is gone. We just need the first indictment.",
">\n\nBut none is him",
">\n\nWell Trump Org is pretty much him but be patient.",
">\n\nDrops in the bucket. \nBeen patient for like 6 years now. How much more we gotta wait?",
">\n\nHe couldn’t be prosecuted while president. Watch GA and the special prosecutor. They’re moving fast.",
">\n\nCouldn't be?\nShould have been.",
">\n\nThat’s absolutely wild that any man is able to just straight up ignore a subpoena with zero consequences. Definition of “above the law”. If he gets away with this, he is going to be more dangerous than ever. You get away with leading a coup/insurrection, you’re going to assume you can get away with literally anything. \nMaybe trump was right… he really could shoot someone in the middle of 5th avenue and not lose any voters…and also probably not even get in trouble",
">\n\nSerious questions...so the committee pull the subpoena, but it's up to DOJ for any additional follow up, but when the new congress is in session they can tell DOJ to drop everything? Is that how's its going to go down? Because I thought DOJ is supposed to be independent once given the committee's findings?",
">\n\nThe DOJ is certainly independent of Congress. As for the committee - the only thing they would've done differently was vote on a criminal referral for contempt of Congress. Although there is some truth to congressional contempt needing to stem from congress, The DOJ has no obligation to act on a referral - it is more akin to a recommendation.\nWith that being said, the committee knew it wasn't going to serve any real benefit, so they decided not to.\n\nThe DOJ decided not to prosecute Meadows and Scavino for contempt due to their close ties to the executive. This pretty much ruled out any chance of it happening to Trump, a former President. \nEven a completely successful referral (Steve Bannon) showed how inconsequential Congressional subpoena power is. For one, it is a misdemeanor. It has been ~15 months since Bannon was referred, and he was found guilty and sentenced, and he is still a free man pending appeal. And even if upheld, it's only 4 months in prison as just shy of maximum sentencing guidelines. \nThe DOJ, if they prosecute, are aiming at much bigger crimes - notably Obstruction of an Official Proceeding, which carries up to 20 years. And they'd be potentially trying these crimes in the same jurisdiction.\n\nSo I'm sure the calculation was that it just wasn't worth throwing a referral at the DOJ for something they'd never follow up on, and wouldn't be much benefit if they did.",
">\n\nIn summary, he’s committed so many crimes that this one isn’t worth any effort",
">\n\nEssentially, yeah. The DOJ has two big chances to secure a conviction: Mar-A-Lago and Jan. 6 - and they will likely bring multiple charges in a D.C. court if they decide to prosecute. Mar-A-Lago will come first, which has virtually nothing to do with this committee's work.\nReferring a misdemeanor to tack onto 4 serious felonies they referred probably only risked muddying the larger offenses. Can't blame them honestly.",
">\n\nWhat is “Mar a Lago” in this context! The tax scheme? Classified documents?",
">\n\nThe classified documents",
">\n\nSmall point but they weren't all classified and don't need to be, for what he did to be illegal. Just trying to avoid republican framing.",
">\n\nHillary was not afraid to testify every time she was asked (and testified for hours and hours each time, answering all questions asked) and never took the 5th. Yet republicans act like she is the criminal when it always has been trump.",
">\n\nEven if she was wrong she was smarter than any of the R in the room. That woman was a machine during those hearings and gave them nothing to work with.",
">\n\nShe is definitely smarter than that barrel of monkeys who questioned her, but ultimately, there was nothing to get from her - the perfect opposite case of crimey benedict donald and his co-conspirators.",
">\n\nIt's interesting to see that people think this subpoena would have continued to exist past Jan 3, 2023 given that that's when ALL open subpoenas from the outgoing congress expire and become null and void. Even if the J6 committee continued to exist- they would be required to file a brand new one in the new session.",
">\n\nIt wouldn't be that hard to file a brand new subpoena, they have lawyers who work full-time for them. That isn't an obstacle.",
">\n\nExcept for the committee doesn't exist in the new Congress and they have no powers to do anything if they don't exist.",
">\n\nIt's easy to get the two confused a lot of times.",
">\n\nHow many of y'all actually thought he wasn't going to run out the clock? \nNothing will fundamentally change.",
">\n\nNobody. The “justice takes time” chorus that dominated the narrative was only here to quell social unrest so society didn’t take a dive while the rich mocked us from their golden pedestals.",
">\n\nSerious question: Why? So what if the Dems lose power in the Congress. Let the Republicans be the one to formally dismantle the committee and subpoena on record. Then when hopefully Trump is charged by the DOJ, dems have another talking point for 2024 that the Republicans hate law and order and protect mob bosses.",
">\n\nThe select committee expires at the end of the congressional session. So they do not need to question him because the committee will not exist.",
">\n\nBut what is the point of formally withdrawing the subpoena? What does it accomplish?",
">\n\nThe committee is over. They have issued the report, they are closing up shop. They are following the process. A secondary part of the committees job was to show how a REAL congressional hearing should be handled. None of that sloppy ass grandstanding they did for Benghazi",
">\n\nMy viewpoint is that Trump and the GOP are just going to use this as “proof” that he did nothing wrong. Remember how the Mueller report “exonerated” Trump? His base believes this shit wholeheartedly and I guarantee he will use this as “evidence” for his innocence.\nShowing how things SHOULD be handled instead of taking whatever measures needed to protect Americans lead to Jan 6th happening in the first place. We all know how things should be handled, how the rules should work, but one side is willing to do whatever they need to keep power and the other is getting walked over.\nIs taking the high road worth letting fascism into our government?",
">\n\nIt’s good to know that republicans are allowed to ignore subpoenas. That’s useful info for them. Don’t expect dems to get that treatment",
">\n\nThey dropped the ball in not issuing one a couple of months ago",
">\n\nActually the Democrats have done everything not to ever pick up the ball even once. They let trump appointed republicans appoint a republican special counsel to fall like a straw man to blatant obstruction in the Russia probe. They turned it into a fundraiser for campaigning. \nThis time they let liz Cheney take the reins, who was able to preserve her republican prerogatives throughout this entire ordeal. \nThe fact is that you're all being cucked by forces of controlled opposition and I'm apparently the only one in the world who can't be so easily mitigated.\nI can't depend on any of you anymore than you can depend on yourselves.",
">\n\nYou lost all credibility at the end when you said cuck and act like you’re the smartest person in the world. Be gone!",
">\n\nYeah, I don't know how anyone can be expected to be taken seriously using that whole sentence unironically.",
">\n\nI don't expect to be taken seriously whether I say it or not, yet the facts remain as I've described.",
">\n\nI didn’t see that coming, said absolutely no one.",
">\n\nWhy.",
">\n\nHUGE mistake. The committee will be dissolved by the GOPers in a couple weeks, and all this did was to give the Marmalade Moses another fake victory to rile up his lemmings.",
">\n\nIt’s funny because I say the same thing every time about trump never getting charged and I always get shit about it like BUT NO THIS TIME IS DIFFERENT. \nLmao right. Sure it is.",
">\n\nFucking same. This is just more “ammo” for his orange, shit spewing mouth.",
">\n\nThis guy is still getting more media coverage than the current potus two years into his term. Crazy.",
">\n\nIt does blow that he wasn't forced to comply with the subpoena but for people thinking what a bummer this seems like, the house is switching to a republican majority in like a week so it didn't make a whole lot of sense to leave an active subpoena on record knowing it would never be resolved. They likely knew he wasn't going to comply when it was issued only now its offical that it was officially issued, ignored by trump, and terminated. Who knows if the DOJ will eventually file but everyone pretty much already knew that little temper tantrum trump wasn't going to aid in his own house sedition investigation.",
">\n\nIf we restrict ourselves to the issue of compliance with a subpoena from this committee, then the recent election clearly mooted every aspect of penalties or consequences related to ignoring the subpoena.\nIt's like a big brother was called over and little bro wanted him to force his adversary to bow and kiss the ground. But by the time big bro finally wanders over, the kid goes \"nah... we're good.\"\nA lot of folk like to believe contempt of court or contempt of congress is like any other crime where you do the deed and have to face the punishment. But, in general, these things do not work like crimes. Even where contempt has been codified such that there is a criminal contempt aspect, the goal remains to seek or to force compliance. This leads to \"punishments\" which are better or worse depending on how you view things. A simple view is that you could be \"sentenced\" to indefinite incarceration because it's a \"jailed until compliance\" thing.\nIn this case, Congress has been very, very reticent to try to use their inherent power to jail someone. So the most they ever do these days is refer the case to the DoJ to pursue criminal contempt of congress.\nAll in all, is this a \"good\" thing? Maybe it's not as bad as we feel it to be. Imagine any sort of argument where someone demands you do something. You retort \"are you sure?\" Bystanders urge folk cool down and think about it. Map that into the way Congress changes every two years and you get a sense that unless something is important enough that it remains after the public alters the composition of the legislative branch, maybe it's not all that important (to the public) after all.\nOn the other hand, why would anyone fear Congress when they demonstrate time and again there never really are any consequences for refusal to comply with subpoenas? But... do we want to quake in fear whenever some nutjob party gains control and enacts something as dire as the Committee on Unamerican Activities?",
">\n\nWhat is the advantage of dropping the subpoena, as opposed to just letting it expire/letting the new congress withdraw it? Why go on record saying he no longer has to come in? I get that he was never going to show, I’m just curious why this is better than the alternative.",
">\n\nI’m wondering this too. There has to be a good reason.",
">\n\n?? Why, like it had no power, but still why? This looks like weakness",
">\n\nThe subpoena expires when the new congress is sworn in on Jan 3rd. There was no practical way to enforce it.",
">\n\nWhy not just let it expire?\nNow Republicans have a talking point that the January 6th Committee withdrew their subpoena.\nThey'll use it to muddy the waters and spread more misinformation.",
">\n\nThey already had their talking points. They've had them the whole time. They already released a \"counter report\" to the J6 committee. The committee withdrew it because they are closing up shop. The report is out. Where would Donnie's answers go?",
">\n\nWhy was he not charged with contempt for no show? Once again, he gets let off for bad behaviour",
">\n\nBecause they referred him for 4 much more serious crimes with longer sentences. Referring him for this is essentially pointless.",
">\n\nYes, but i see it as another nail in the coffin, and also sends a message that subpoenas are not to be ignored",
">\n\nImagine if you or I tried to just ignore a subpoena.",
">\n\nIt’s OK if you’re a Republican, as the war criminal’s daughter who voted in line with Trump’s policies during her House tenure can attest.",
">\n\nAnother instance of unequal justice under the law, imo. If you or I disregarded a subpoena from Congress we'd be going to jail...like Steve Bannon.",
">\n\nDrag it out, do nothing, repeat. Glad the J6 group produced a ton of info and exposed a lot of the bs but what's the point of nothing really happens? Media circus? I'm so tired.",
">\n\nGreat precedent. It's good to know if I'm ever subpoenaed by congress I can just ignore it.",
">\n\nJ6 knew he'd puss out and just wanted to get it on the record. And for the same reason they haven't gone after Meadows for ignoring his subpoena, are all of the other serious crimes hanging over him and the orange Traitor in Chief, especially now, the subpoenas aren't worth the time and effort.",
">\n\n\nAnd for the same reason they haven't gone after Meadows for ignoring his subpoena\n\nTo be fair... the House voted him in criminal contempt and sent the referral to that to the DoJ. There wasn't really anything they could do beyond that with respect to his subpoena (yes, inherent contempt in theory exists, in practice it would have been useless for multiple reasons).\nMeadows is also included in the big criminal referrals the committee issued as part of their report as well.",
">\n\nAs usual, this country’s justice system is a joke",
">\n\nThis was a subpoena issued by the congress, not DOJ. He would be arrested if this was subpoena by DOJ and he didn’t show.",
">\n\nLike I said lol this country’s justice system is a joke",
">\n\nBut the justice system has not been involved yet!!! Congressional hearing is not an example of the justice system. The congress has referred the case to the DOJ or “the justice system” as a result of their hearing. DOJ will pursue a criminal investigation and pursue charges. \nJudiciary (justice system as you call it), congress, and executive branches are constitutionally separate and independent to ensure checks and balances.\nJustice system in the US is not ideal, but this specific instance is not an example of these inefficiencies. This is an example of how the congress has been ineffective in doing their legislative actions. In this instance the correct statement would be “Legislative system in this country is a joke.” Justice system has not had a chance to show its incompetence yet. That will be next.",
">\n\nNaive of you to think this is anything more than a show they’re putting on. Nothing will come of it, democrats are by nature pussies let’s be real. None have any teeth or claws. The right is full of a bunch of tribalistic monkeys, party is apparently more important than country. I guess I can rephrase, besides making money and being the best business in the world, America is a joke.",
">\n\n\"OMG. I'm so outraged by this even though I have no idea why.\"\nIt'd be nice if you guys learned the difference between the subpoena and the criminal referral. trump was never going to show up for the subpoena especially since the GOP is about to take control. It's a completely moot point.",
">\n\nExactly. The committee already referred him to the DoJ on criminal charges. Everyone is acting like they're just taking their ball and going home. They already went well and beyond a mere subpoena here, and one of the charges that they're recommending is obstruction already.",
">\n\nAren’t subpoenas mandatory with consequences? Either you show up or go to jail. Trump did neither.",
">\n\nNot if you are rich. Laws are you only for the the lower 90%",
">\n\nThis is such bullshit.",
">\n\nAnother precedent set for rich criminals to not comply. If we citizens didn’t show we’d be at a black site with electrodes on our genitals.",
">\n\nThey should have charged Trump with contempt of Congress.",
">\n\nSo whens the next uprising on behalf of rich people? Just be sure you're actually a political player because if you're just a worker you'll be charged. Chess has really changed over the past hundred years.",
">\n\nTotally expected. \nTrump, the really TV star, said he'd only agree to answer the subpoena if it were live & televised. It's quite obvious the reason is that he'd ignore the questioning & use the free air time to spew his BS, much like in the Presidential debates. \nAnd I'm sure the incoming Republican House would have loved to have given him the opportunity",
">\n\nyeah kinda moot at this point , they already made those criminal referrals anyways lol i wish they would have perused charging him for not showing up however but maybe they figured in light of everything they should focus on the key issues and at this point whatever he had to say really doesnt matter anyways as he would just lie. his testimony would pretty much be useless. its still a shame we didnt get to see it just for historys sake lol",
">\n\nAl trump would do is take the 5th like any other ordinary criminal",
">\n\nSo far as things have gone, will it now be ok for Democrats to ignore all the subpoenas that this next R House is going to send around? I’d think so….",
">\n\nOur government has failed us.... Good luck everyone.",
">\n\nAh yes the criminal Justice system, quite possibly the longest running joke in America",
">\n\n& you just know the cheeto will say something like, ha!, they dropped the subpoena cause they knew I am innocent, or some 💩 like that",
">\n\nNo surprise there. Trump is above the law, as he has proven time and again, over and over throughout the last several years. \nI will be surprised if anything comes out of this investigation, at all. \nI will be surprised if the next republican president isn't worse than Trump. \nI mean seriously, how do they convict him of anything if they can't even call him for questioning. Ever heard of anyone, ever, to get convicted of a crime that didn't have to talk to investigators at some point? \nFuck America. Fuck Trump. And fuck the pussy ass people who refuse to do their fucking job.",
">\n\nThey dropped it because it wasn't necessary and would have given him a national platform needlessly. DOJ will pass to the special council which will bring formal charges, if any will be brought.",
">\n\nThis is actually heartbreaking. Seen a lot of politicians and people of note show time and time again that the rules for EVERY CITIZEN don’t apply to them and this stings just a little more",
">\n\nMy theory that he is blackmailing everyone from the White House down with Area 51 malarky is still holding water...",
">\n\nLet us all start committing crimes and see how that goes, this is bs",
">\n\nSuch bs. I knew he would sleeze his way out of any consequences for his actions. This will only embolden him & his lunatic followers. He incites a riot that kills people & gets away with it. If any of us incited a riot, we would still be in jail & if people died during the riot, we would be charged with murder as well. So sick & tired of the double standard when it comes to a president who breaks the law & walks away, just like nixon did.",
">\n\nshould not have dropped\nshould have referred it to doj for contempt of congress...\nwhite rich continue to get a pass for what the rest of us would have long ago been prosecuted and imprisoned...",
">\n\nThey already referred him to DOJ for obstruction of a govt proceeding last week. What are you talking about?",
">\n\nYeah, because why would you want to subpoena the guy who was completely responsible for the entire thing?\nThe Chuck Schumer neoliberals have engineered this to completely let Trump get away with it - because they think the Republicans are still their friends and they don't want to piss them off!",
">\n\nThey subpoenaed trump months ago. He declined to show. Since, investigation is over, they dropped it. This is not even really news worthy.",
">\n\nHalf the people in this thread have no idea what they're talking about and are confusing the subpoena with the criminal referral.",
">\n\nOh, is that what's going on? Lol. I was wondering why ppl are making a big deal about this. This is just the committee cleaning up loose ends.",
">\n\nIt's a big deal if someone who's now a private citizen, can do wtf he wants and ignore a Congressional subpoena.",
">\n\nIt takes votes by congress to hold in contempt. They didn't need trump's testimony. He would just show up and repeat I plead the 5th anyway. Pence ignored his, too. It's pointless to hold them in contempt and get off focus of actual investigation.",
">\n\nYou're proving my point. Congressional Democrats should have enforced the subpoena and made Trump plead the 5th to every question. Imagine if Pence also appeared and pled the 5th to every question. That is political magic for the Democrats, it makes them look guilty as hell.\nTrump committed a crime, and this is America. It should be the same as if I committed a crime. We would get arrested, taken to jail until the morning, see a judge and face our charges, and then either get released on OR, held for trial, or bail set. It's not much of a democracy if laws are not enforced against powerful people.",
">\n\nOnce you all realize this is just a game and you’re the pawn things will make a lot more sense.",
">\n\nNow hear him cry about never getting a chance to testify when he’s charged.",
">\n\nI see this less as a “you’re excused” and more of a “see you in court”",
">\n\nNo need to bother with it when they've already finished their work. The only thing that testimony would have accomplished would have been getting Trump to look bad on national television, and a potential perjury charge. Trump already has embarrassed himself in public in a massive way since then, and they have bigger crimes to recommend to the DOJ for prosecution.",
">\n\nThe moment they announced the subpoena everyone got a hard on that trump would have to talk. I said it then and I’ll say it again, trump will never have to face any punishment and he doesn’t have to comply to any law or rules. They’re all more suggestions instead of laws.",
">\n\nWhat a waste of fucking time",
">\n\nSo......this was a big fat waste of time and money?",
">\n\nI mean they made a criminal referral so, no? The committee wasn’t set up to solely investigate Dolt 45 and took the testimony of over a thousand people, why is it you believe withdrawing one subpoena because the committee is winding down renders the entire process a “waste of time and money.”",
">\n\nNo mention on CNN that they dropped the subpoena after a year of January 6 January 6 January 6 terrible news station",
">\n\nWell, it’s being run by a Republican so go figure",
">\n\nTalk about the wheels of justice turning slow. In this case reversing altogether. Well done.",
">\n\nI wish this surprised me.",
">\n\nLOL God this is so funny\nWhat the fuck did y'all expect if you have money you are above the law. It only applies to the poor and those who step on the toes of capital.",
">\n\nWhat a waste of money",
">\n\n...And a Happy New Year!",
">\n\nClassic",
">\n\nShocking",
">\n\nOur governing body are a bunch of cowards. The US is being safeguarded by self-interested Congresspersons who speak about accountability and act on cowardice.",
">\n\nLet's be honest he'll get away with everything with a slap on the wrist. This country won't prosecute a sitting or former president or high ranking politician, we've seen this over and over. The whole committee is sadly a publicity stunt to gain traction for Democrat's. I hope I'm completely wrong of course and that this country will start to feel like it's a democracy.",
">\n\nThe coup is in effect.",
">\n\nI have a sad feeling this committee is going to end up like a fart in the wind",
">\n\nYou’re not wrong",
">\n\nWtf are you talking about?",
">\n\nHands",
">\n\nWho are you talking to? Lmao",
">\n\nWent out with a whimper. The most Democrat thing ever.\nWish the Dems would learn how to take the gloves off, at least they would have a shot against an opponent that has no problems filling their gloves with lead shot. Then bragging about it.",
">\n\nThe subpoena, and associated contempt charges would be nothing when compared to the recommendations made by the committee to the DOJ. Whether or not the DOJ will act is all that matters at this point.",
">\n\nPathetic pieces of shit",
">\n\nAll theatre, all the time. Seems like by now, to most people, that somehow being trolled by their favorite elected might be possible.",
">\n\nSo wait, he just gets away with everything? Just like that?\nWhat about all the articles saying that Trump will most likely spend the rest of his life in prison?",
">\n\nThe subpoena has nothing to do with the recommendations made by the committee to the DOJ. The ball is in the DOJ’s court. The subpoena doesn’t impact anything. Absurd that he didn’t get held in contempt, but that is more of a distraction than anything.",
">\n\nI see. Thanks for explaining!",
">\n\nCan anyone explain why he was not arrested for not responding to the subpoena? I thought you had to respond to these?",
">\n\nFirst they would have had to vote for contempt. Then they would need to issue a referral to DOJ, then DOJ would need to consider it. That is not happening in a week before the new congress is sworn in an this committee expires. They have issued their report and no longer need to speak to him. That is why it was withdrawn. Their job is done.",
">\n\nSubpoenas are real, or they’re not.\nIn the real world if any person defied or ignored a subpoena they would be arrested immediately.\nWhy are some Americans allowed to break the law in broad daylight.",
">\n\nWhy is the DOJ dragging its feet in charging anyone?",
">\n\nDOJ has charged over 700 people out of January 6 and they continue to charge cases. Most of these cases took months if not years to come to fruition.\nAt the end of the day DOJ has no obligation to act on any of the committee’s referrals, although I believe they already have ongoing investigations as to several of the subjects. If anything new comes out of the committee’s work it’s unlikely to happen soon.",
">\n\nThe US is beyond broken. The wealthy can do whatever they want while we are the only ones who face consequences. I can’t wait to leave this shithole again. I won’t be making the mistake of coming back like I did last year.",
">\n\nSuch a farce",
">\n\nBut he wanted to appear!!",
">\n\nThe walls are closing in.",
">\n\nOk, people. Quit guilt-edging and go home.",
">\n\nWait so what is Trump a dastardly super villain who keeps getting away or a dumb oaf. You guys just can't decide.",
">\n\nI can’t wait until nothing happens!\nHas it happened yet?",
">\n\n“All animals are equal but some animals are more equal than others.” \nHey, do you think Reddit will ever reach a state of Nirvana where it will stop claiming “Trump is really sweating now!”?",
">\n\nDoes this not set some sort of precedence? If I now get subpoenaed for something can I not just point to Trump/Barr/Holder and say “no thank you”?",
">\n\nWithdrawing a subpoena sets no precedent and is not at all uncommon.",
">\n\nThe subpoena was issued quite some time ago wasn’t it? And he just flat refused. Were Barr and Holder’s also withdrawn?",
">\n\nI saw the headline and thought the committee dropped a subpoena the way you drop an album. Then I read the article and saw that they dropped it like you drop an extra filler track from an album.",
">\n\nIt would have been a waste of time anyway. \n\"Mr. Trump, did you tell your supporters that the election was stolen and send your supporters to violently break into the capitol building to stop Joe Biden from becoming president\"? - January 6th Committee \n\"The fifth\"! - Trump\nDOJ do your job to save this nation from tyranny and further destruction!🙏",
">\n\nSurprised pikachu face",
">\n\nBut these are the same people that wanted peaceful blm protestors bathed in their own blood? What point do we all take this into our own hands",
">\n\nOh, wow. This is really bad for you, US. Like ultra super deluxe so very not good.",
">\n\nLmao…\n“ThE WaLLs arE cLoSIng in”",
">\n\nwell duh...\npolitics from the beginning",
">\n\nWhat an absolute joke.",
">\n\nInb4 trump takes this decision and expresses it as: “completely exonerated!!!”",
">\n\nThey don’t need his testimony. As if he would ever go anywhere close to a government building after the committee’s final report. Just let him relax to make it easier to arrest him",
">\n\nfucking why?",
">\n\nIsn’t the rule that if you don’t comply with a congressional subpoena you can be held in contempt and fined or jailed? Can the House sergeant-at-arms arrest the person?",
">\n\nWow, naw fuck this.",
">\n\nHe wouldn't show up anyways...🐣",
">\n\nTFG is so slippery, Teflon wouldn't stick",
">\n\nNothing will truly come to fruition until we go out into the streets and force this issue ourselves.",
">\n\nWhat’s the point of that?",
">\n\nTold you.",
">\n\nSad, and utterly predictable.\nZero accountability is the death of liberty. Actual freedom means lawlessness, rather than being a nation of laws. \nThe GOP has now proved that no law matters, and that, like Russia, we are a nation governed by the biggest criminal.",
">\n\nHe should be forced to comply, then you can say you are done",
">\n\nAn absolute travesty of justice. I would've said keep the subpoena open forever. If there's some way for the subpoena's issuing body to dissolve without legally dropping the subpoena, thus leaving it in a permanent state of legal limbo, I would have advocated for that, so that the GOP could never whitewash the fact that he defied a lawfully issued subpoena.\nOtherwise, make the GOP drop it themselves; let them be the ones who let him get away with openly flouting a subpoena.",
">\n\nSo that's it???? This ASSHOLE is scott free from prosecution?",
">\n\nWhat a jackass"
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It doesn't matter anymore the witch hunt it over ! HE'S FALLIN IN HIS OWN S**t. Ding dong !
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"So far Trump's legal strategy of ignoring calls for accountability until Republicans in Congress can bail him out is workingly flawlessly.",
">\n\nThat doesn’t mean the DoJ can’t charge and prosecute. \nRight now everything is in response to republicans getting their slim majority in the house and lessen the damage they will do.\nThat said, they still have the mountain of evidence they did gather",
">\n\nWhat about when the AG/DOJ is a GOP appointee? You don’t think they’ll just put in a Bill Barr type on the entire thing?",
">\n\nNot while they have a democratic president and especially when the previous president lost them the midterms.\nThey were already planning on replacing trump with Desantes by equating the 2 (Martha’s Vineyard was part of that), they’re only gonna lose trying to put their party’s future on the line protect him further.\nThey gonna continue to spread doubt and try to discredit the investigations, but they’re barely holding onto a branch of government, they’re not stupid. Barr only worked because they held onto 2",
">\n\nUmmm that’s not what I meant. If a GOP candidate for President wins in 2024 , what are the actual legal implications. It’s not like it’s below them to interfere like they did with the collusion charges",
">\n\n\nThe House January 6 committee is withdrawing its subpoena of former President Donald Trump as it concludes its work.\n“In light of the imminent end of our investigation, the Select Committee can no longer pursue the specific information covered by the subpoena,” Chairman Bennie Thompson, a Mississippi Democrat, wrote in a letter to Trump’s attorney Wednesday obtained by CNN.\n“Therefore, through this letter, I hereby formally withdraw the subpoena issued to former President Trump, and notify you that he is no longer obligated to comply or produce records in response to said subpoena,” Thompson added.",
">\n\nConclusion: Former president Trump is above the law.",
">\n\nYeah kind of makes me sad. Trump can just ignore a subpoena, with zero consequences. \n“We believe you tried to overthrow the government. You are legally required to come talk to us about it.”\n“No thanks.”\n“Oh. Ok, never mind.”",
">\n\nNo consequences? He's has been referred to the DOJ for obstruction of a govt processing last week. They held a recorded vote.",
">\n\nThat’s not a consequence. It’s kicking the can. Trump will never, ever be held responsible for his role in destroying democracy in America.",
">\n\nThis is not TV or a movie. \"The wheels of justice grind slowly yet exceedingly fine\" is a saying for a reason. Federal investigations usually take years.",
">\n\nHe’s been investigated for years. No consequences. Just special appointments, investigations, and referrals. In the mean time, you know who DOES face consequences?\nAmerica.",
">\n\nYou are judging the end of the movie before it is over.\nThe previous investigations were being done while he had the shield of the presidency and an attorney general running obstruction for him. None of that is true now.",
">\n\nThe GOP will continue fighting on his behalf, because the majority are complicit in 45’s fuckery. Again, no consequences will be had. I’m willing to wager a gift card to your favorite local restaurant that he will live fat, rich, and free until at least the 2024/25 inauguration. Save this post.",
">\n\nWe'll see about that. I'll admit to the loss if thats the case.",
">\n\nMore proof that we the people have no rights in comparison to the billionaire ticks.",
">\n\nDude ain't no billionaire",
">\n\nNo, but his buddies are.",
">\n\nHis puppet masters maybe",
">\n\nI mean, who would have thought not starting the fight sooner would end like this?",
">\n\nDon’t worry. He’s got so many more coming.",
">\n\nThe idea that Trump will pay any price for his crimes is a fantasy.",
">\n\nIt’s actually happening. His company has been found guilty. His charity is closed. His cohorts are about to go to jail. His popularity sagging. Protection is gone. We just need the first indictment.",
">\n\nBut none is him",
">\n\nWell Trump Org is pretty much him but be patient.",
">\n\nDrops in the bucket. \nBeen patient for like 6 years now. How much more we gotta wait?",
">\n\nHe couldn’t be prosecuted while president. Watch GA and the special prosecutor. They’re moving fast.",
">\n\nCouldn't be?\nShould have been.",
">\n\nThat’s absolutely wild that any man is able to just straight up ignore a subpoena with zero consequences. Definition of “above the law”. If he gets away with this, he is going to be more dangerous than ever. You get away with leading a coup/insurrection, you’re going to assume you can get away with literally anything. \nMaybe trump was right… he really could shoot someone in the middle of 5th avenue and not lose any voters…and also probably not even get in trouble",
">\n\nSerious questions...so the committee pull the subpoena, but it's up to DOJ for any additional follow up, but when the new congress is in session they can tell DOJ to drop everything? Is that how's its going to go down? Because I thought DOJ is supposed to be independent once given the committee's findings?",
">\n\nThe DOJ is certainly independent of Congress. As for the committee - the only thing they would've done differently was vote on a criminal referral for contempt of Congress. Although there is some truth to congressional contempt needing to stem from congress, The DOJ has no obligation to act on a referral - it is more akin to a recommendation.\nWith that being said, the committee knew it wasn't going to serve any real benefit, so they decided not to.\n\nThe DOJ decided not to prosecute Meadows and Scavino for contempt due to their close ties to the executive. This pretty much ruled out any chance of it happening to Trump, a former President. \nEven a completely successful referral (Steve Bannon) showed how inconsequential Congressional subpoena power is. For one, it is a misdemeanor. It has been ~15 months since Bannon was referred, and he was found guilty and sentenced, and he is still a free man pending appeal. And even if upheld, it's only 4 months in prison as just shy of maximum sentencing guidelines. \nThe DOJ, if they prosecute, are aiming at much bigger crimes - notably Obstruction of an Official Proceeding, which carries up to 20 years. And they'd be potentially trying these crimes in the same jurisdiction.\n\nSo I'm sure the calculation was that it just wasn't worth throwing a referral at the DOJ for something they'd never follow up on, and wouldn't be much benefit if they did.",
">\n\nIn summary, he’s committed so many crimes that this one isn’t worth any effort",
">\n\nEssentially, yeah. The DOJ has two big chances to secure a conviction: Mar-A-Lago and Jan. 6 - and they will likely bring multiple charges in a D.C. court if they decide to prosecute. Mar-A-Lago will come first, which has virtually nothing to do with this committee's work.\nReferring a misdemeanor to tack onto 4 serious felonies they referred probably only risked muddying the larger offenses. Can't blame them honestly.",
">\n\nWhat is “Mar a Lago” in this context! The tax scheme? Classified documents?",
">\n\nThe classified documents",
">\n\nSmall point but they weren't all classified and don't need to be, for what he did to be illegal. Just trying to avoid republican framing.",
">\n\nHillary was not afraid to testify every time she was asked (and testified for hours and hours each time, answering all questions asked) and never took the 5th. Yet republicans act like she is the criminal when it always has been trump.",
">\n\nEven if she was wrong she was smarter than any of the R in the room. That woman was a machine during those hearings and gave them nothing to work with.",
">\n\nShe is definitely smarter than that barrel of monkeys who questioned her, but ultimately, there was nothing to get from her - the perfect opposite case of crimey benedict donald and his co-conspirators.",
">\n\nIt's interesting to see that people think this subpoena would have continued to exist past Jan 3, 2023 given that that's when ALL open subpoenas from the outgoing congress expire and become null and void. Even if the J6 committee continued to exist- they would be required to file a brand new one in the new session.",
">\n\nIt wouldn't be that hard to file a brand new subpoena, they have lawyers who work full-time for them. That isn't an obstacle.",
">\n\nExcept for the committee doesn't exist in the new Congress and they have no powers to do anything if they don't exist.",
">\n\nIt's easy to get the two confused a lot of times.",
">\n\nHow many of y'all actually thought he wasn't going to run out the clock? \nNothing will fundamentally change.",
">\n\nNobody. The “justice takes time” chorus that dominated the narrative was only here to quell social unrest so society didn’t take a dive while the rich mocked us from their golden pedestals.",
">\n\nSerious question: Why? So what if the Dems lose power in the Congress. Let the Republicans be the one to formally dismantle the committee and subpoena on record. Then when hopefully Trump is charged by the DOJ, dems have another talking point for 2024 that the Republicans hate law and order and protect mob bosses.",
">\n\nThe select committee expires at the end of the congressional session. So they do not need to question him because the committee will not exist.",
">\n\nBut what is the point of formally withdrawing the subpoena? What does it accomplish?",
">\n\nThe committee is over. They have issued the report, they are closing up shop. They are following the process. A secondary part of the committees job was to show how a REAL congressional hearing should be handled. None of that sloppy ass grandstanding they did for Benghazi",
">\n\nMy viewpoint is that Trump and the GOP are just going to use this as “proof” that he did nothing wrong. Remember how the Mueller report “exonerated” Trump? His base believes this shit wholeheartedly and I guarantee he will use this as “evidence” for his innocence.\nShowing how things SHOULD be handled instead of taking whatever measures needed to protect Americans lead to Jan 6th happening in the first place. We all know how things should be handled, how the rules should work, but one side is willing to do whatever they need to keep power and the other is getting walked over.\nIs taking the high road worth letting fascism into our government?",
">\n\nIt’s good to know that republicans are allowed to ignore subpoenas. That’s useful info for them. Don’t expect dems to get that treatment",
">\n\nThey dropped the ball in not issuing one a couple of months ago",
">\n\nActually the Democrats have done everything not to ever pick up the ball even once. They let trump appointed republicans appoint a republican special counsel to fall like a straw man to blatant obstruction in the Russia probe. They turned it into a fundraiser for campaigning. \nThis time they let liz Cheney take the reins, who was able to preserve her republican prerogatives throughout this entire ordeal. \nThe fact is that you're all being cucked by forces of controlled opposition and I'm apparently the only one in the world who can't be so easily mitigated.\nI can't depend on any of you anymore than you can depend on yourselves.",
">\n\nYou lost all credibility at the end when you said cuck and act like you’re the smartest person in the world. Be gone!",
">\n\nYeah, I don't know how anyone can be expected to be taken seriously using that whole sentence unironically.",
">\n\nI don't expect to be taken seriously whether I say it or not, yet the facts remain as I've described.",
">\n\nI didn’t see that coming, said absolutely no one.",
">\n\nWhy.",
">\n\nHUGE mistake. The committee will be dissolved by the GOPers in a couple weeks, and all this did was to give the Marmalade Moses another fake victory to rile up his lemmings.",
">\n\nIt’s funny because I say the same thing every time about trump never getting charged and I always get shit about it like BUT NO THIS TIME IS DIFFERENT. \nLmao right. Sure it is.",
">\n\nFucking same. This is just more “ammo” for his orange, shit spewing mouth.",
">\n\nThis guy is still getting more media coverage than the current potus two years into his term. Crazy.",
">\n\nIt does blow that he wasn't forced to comply with the subpoena but for people thinking what a bummer this seems like, the house is switching to a republican majority in like a week so it didn't make a whole lot of sense to leave an active subpoena on record knowing it would never be resolved. They likely knew he wasn't going to comply when it was issued only now its offical that it was officially issued, ignored by trump, and terminated. Who knows if the DOJ will eventually file but everyone pretty much already knew that little temper tantrum trump wasn't going to aid in his own house sedition investigation.",
">\n\nIf we restrict ourselves to the issue of compliance with a subpoena from this committee, then the recent election clearly mooted every aspect of penalties or consequences related to ignoring the subpoena.\nIt's like a big brother was called over and little bro wanted him to force his adversary to bow and kiss the ground. But by the time big bro finally wanders over, the kid goes \"nah... we're good.\"\nA lot of folk like to believe contempt of court or contempt of congress is like any other crime where you do the deed and have to face the punishment. But, in general, these things do not work like crimes. Even where contempt has been codified such that there is a criminal contempt aspect, the goal remains to seek or to force compliance. This leads to \"punishments\" which are better or worse depending on how you view things. A simple view is that you could be \"sentenced\" to indefinite incarceration because it's a \"jailed until compliance\" thing.\nIn this case, Congress has been very, very reticent to try to use their inherent power to jail someone. So the most they ever do these days is refer the case to the DoJ to pursue criminal contempt of congress.\nAll in all, is this a \"good\" thing? Maybe it's not as bad as we feel it to be. Imagine any sort of argument where someone demands you do something. You retort \"are you sure?\" Bystanders urge folk cool down and think about it. Map that into the way Congress changes every two years and you get a sense that unless something is important enough that it remains after the public alters the composition of the legislative branch, maybe it's not all that important (to the public) after all.\nOn the other hand, why would anyone fear Congress when they demonstrate time and again there never really are any consequences for refusal to comply with subpoenas? But... do we want to quake in fear whenever some nutjob party gains control and enacts something as dire as the Committee on Unamerican Activities?",
">\n\nWhat is the advantage of dropping the subpoena, as opposed to just letting it expire/letting the new congress withdraw it? Why go on record saying he no longer has to come in? I get that he was never going to show, I’m just curious why this is better than the alternative.",
">\n\nI’m wondering this too. There has to be a good reason.",
">\n\n?? Why, like it had no power, but still why? This looks like weakness",
">\n\nThe subpoena expires when the new congress is sworn in on Jan 3rd. There was no practical way to enforce it.",
">\n\nWhy not just let it expire?\nNow Republicans have a talking point that the January 6th Committee withdrew their subpoena.\nThey'll use it to muddy the waters and spread more misinformation.",
">\n\nThey already had their talking points. They've had them the whole time. They already released a \"counter report\" to the J6 committee. The committee withdrew it because they are closing up shop. The report is out. Where would Donnie's answers go?",
">\n\nWhy was he not charged with contempt for no show? Once again, he gets let off for bad behaviour",
">\n\nBecause they referred him for 4 much more serious crimes with longer sentences. Referring him for this is essentially pointless.",
">\n\nYes, but i see it as another nail in the coffin, and also sends a message that subpoenas are not to be ignored",
">\n\nImagine if you or I tried to just ignore a subpoena.",
">\n\nIt’s OK if you’re a Republican, as the war criminal’s daughter who voted in line with Trump’s policies during her House tenure can attest.",
">\n\nAnother instance of unequal justice under the law, imo. If you or I disregarded a subpoena from Congress we'd be going to jail...like Steve Bannon.",
">\n\nDrag it out, do nothing, repeat. Glad the J6 group produced a ton of info and exposed a lot of the bs but what's the point of nothing really happens? Media circus? I'm so tired.",
">\n\nGreat precedent. It's good to know if I'm ever subpoenaed by congress I can just ignore it.",
">\n\nJ6 knew he'd puss out and just wanted to get it on the record. And for the same reason they haven't gone after Meadows for ignoring his subpoena, are all of the other serious crimes hanging over him and the orange Traitor in Chief, especially now, the subpoenas aren't worth the time and effort.",
">\n\n\nAnd for the same reason they haven't gone after Meadows for ignoring his subpoena\n\nTo be fair... the House voted him in criminal contempt and sent the referral to that to the DoJ. There wasn't really anything they could do beyond that with respect to his subpoena (yes, inherent contempt in theory exists, in practice it would have been useless for multiple reasons).\nMeadows is also included in the big criminal referrals the committee issued as part of their report as well.",
">\n\nAs usual, this country’s justice system is a joke",
">\n\nThis was a subpoena issued by the congress, not DOJ. He would be arrested if this was subpoena by DOJ and he didn’t show.",
">\n\nLike I said lol this country’s justice system is a joke",
">\n\nBut the justice system has not been involved yet!!! Congressional hearing is not an example of the justice system. The congress has referred the case to the DOJ or “the justice system” as a result of their hearing. DOJ will pursue a criminal investigation and pursue charges. \nJudiciary (justice system as you call it), congress, and executive branches are constitutionally separate and independent to ensure checks and balances.\nJustice system in the US is not ideal, but this specific instance is not an example of these inefficiencies. This is an example of how the congress has been ineffective in doing their legislative actions. In this instance the correct statement would be “Legislative system in this country is a joke.” Justice system has not had a chance to show its incompetence yet. That will be next.",
">\n\nNaive of you to think this is anything more than a show they’re putting on. Nothing will come of it, democrats are by nature pussies let’s be real. None have any teeth or claws. The right is full of a bunch of tribalistic monkeys, party is apparently more important than country. I guess I can rephrase, besides making money and being the best business in the world, America is a joke.",
">\n\n\"OMG. I'm so outraged by this even though I have no idea why.\"\nIt'd be nice if you guys learned the difference between the subpoena and the criminal referral. trump was never going to show up for the subpoena especially since the GOP is about to take control. It's a completely moot point.",
">\n\nExactly. The committee already referred him to the DoJ on criminal charges. Everyone is acting like they're just taking their ball and going home. They already went well and beyond a mere subpoena here, and one of the charges that they're recommending is obstruction already.",
">\n\nAren’t subpoenas mandatory with consequences? Either you show up or go to jail. Trump did neither.",
">\n\nNot if you are rich. Laws are you only for the the lower 90%",
">\n\nThis is such bullshit.",
">\n\nAnother precedent set for rich criminals to not comply. If we citizens didn’t show we’d be at a black site with electrodes on our genitals.",
">\n\nThey should have charged Trump with contempt of Congress.",
">\n\nSo whens the next uprising on behalf of rich people? Just be sure you're actually a political player because if you're just a worker you'll be charged. Chess has really changed over the past hundred years.",
">\n\nTotally expected. \nTrump, the really TV star, said he'd only agree to answer the subpoena if it were live & televised. It's quite obvious the reason is that he'd ignore the questioning & use the free air time to spew his BS, much like in the Presidential debates. \nAnd I'm sure the incoming Republican House would have loved to have given him the opportunity",
">\n\nyeah kinda moot at this point , they already made those criminal referrals anyways lol i wish they would have perused charging him for not showing up however but maybe they figured in light of everything they should focus on the key issues and at this point whatever he had to say really doesnt matter anyways as he would just lie. his testimony would pretty much be useless. its still a shame we didnt get to see it just for historys sake lol",
">\n\nAl trump would do is take the 5th like any other ordinary criminal",
">\n\nSo far as things have gone, will it now be ok for Democrats to ignore all the subpoenas that this next R House is going to send around? I’d think so….",
">\n\nOur government has failed us.... Good luck everyone.",
">\n\nAh yes the criminal Justice system, quite possibly the longest running joke in America",
">\n\n& you just know the cheeto will say something like, ha!, they dropped the subpoena cause they knew I am innocent, or some 💩 like that",
">\n\nNo surprise there. Trump is above the law, as he has proven time and again, over and over throughout the last several years. \nI will be surprised if anything comes out of this investigation, at all. \nI will be surprised if the next republican president isn't worse than Trump. \nI mean seriously, how do they convict him of anything if they can't even call him for questioning. Ever heard of anyone, ever, to get convicted of a crime that didn't have to talk to investigators at some point? \nFuck America. Fuck Trump. And fuck the pussy ass people who refuse to do their fucking job.",
">\n\nThey dropped it because it wasn't necessary and would have given him a national platform needlessly. DOJ will pass to the special council which will bring formal charges, if any will be brought.",
">\n\nThis is actually heartbreaking. Seen a lot of politicians and people of note show time and time again that the rules for EVERY CITIZEN don’t apply to them and this stings just a little more",
">\n\nMy theory that he is blackmailing everyone from the White House down with Area 51 malarky is still holding water...",
">\n\nLet us all start committing crimes and see how that goes, this is bs",
">\n\nSuch bs. I knew he would sleeze his way out of any consequences for his actions. This will only embolden him & his lunatic followers. He incites a riot that kills people & gets away with it. If any of us incited a riot, we would still be in jail & if people died during the riot, we would be charged with murder as well. So sick & tired of the double standard when it comes to a president who breaks the law & walks away, just like nixon did.",
">\n\nshould not have dropped\nshould have referred it to doj for contempt of congress...\nwhite rich continue to get a pass for what the rest of us would have long ago been prosecuted and imprisoned...",
">\n\nThey already referred him to DOJ for obstruction of a govt proceeding last week. What are you talking about?",
">\n\nYeah, because why would you want to subpoena the guy who was completely responsible for the entire thing?\nThe Chuck Schumer neoliberals have engineered this to completely let Trump get away with it - because they think the Republicans are still their friends and they don't want to piss them off!",
">\n\nThey subpoenaed trump months ago. He declined to show. Since, investigation is over, they dropped it. This is not even really news worthy.",
">\n\nHalf the people in this thread have no idea what they're talking about and are confusing the subpoena with the criminal referral.",
">\n\nOh, is that what's going on? Lol. I was wondering why ppl are making a big deal about this. This is just the committee cleaning up loose ends.",
">\n\nIt's a big deal if someone who's now a private citizen, can do wtf he wants and ignore a Congressional subpoena.",
">\n\nIt takes votes by congress to hold in contempt. They didn't need trump's testimony. He would just show up and repeat I plead the 5th anyway. Pence ignored his, too. It's pointless to hold them in contempt and get off focus of actual investigation.",
">\n\nYou're proving my point. Congressional Democrats should have enforced the subpoena and made Trump plead the 5th to every question. Imagine if Pence also appeared and pled the 5th to every question. That is political magic for the Democrats, it makes them look guilty as hell.\nTrump committed a crime, and this is America. It should be the same as if I committed a crime. We would get arrested, taken to jail until the morning, see a judge and face our charges, and then either get released on OR, held for trial, or bail set. It's not much of a democracy if laws are not enforced against powerful people.",
">\n\nOnce you all realize this is just a game and you’re the pawn things will make a lot more sense.",
">\n\nNow hear him cry about never getting a chance to testify when he’s charged.",
">\n\nI see this less as a “you’re excused” and more of a “see you in court”",
">\n\nNo need to bother with it when they've already finished their work. The only thing that testimony would have accomplished would have been getting Trump to look bad on national television, and a potential perjury charge. Trump already has embarrassed himself in public in a massive way since then, and they have bigger crimes to recommend to the DOJ for prosecution.",
">\n\nThe moment they announced the subpoena everyone got a hard on that trump would have to talk. I said it then and I’ll say it again, trump will never have to face any punishment and he doesn’t have to comply to any law or rules. They’re all more suggestions instead of laws.",
">\n\nWhat a waste of fucking time",
">\n\nSo......this was a big fat waste of time and money?",
">\n\nI mean they made a criminal referral so, no? The committee wasn’t set up to solely investigate Dolt 45 and took the testimony of over a thousand people, why is it you believe withdrawing one subpoena because the committee is winding down renders the entire process a “waste of time and money.”",
">\n\nNo mention on CNN that they dropped the subpoena after a year of January 6 January 6 January 6 terrible news station",
">\n\nWell, it’s being run by a Republican so go figure",
">\n\nTalk about the wheels of justice turning slow. In this case reversing altogether. Well done.",
">\n\nI wish this surprised me.",
">\n\nLOL God this is so funny\nWhat the fuck did y'all expect if you have money you are above the law. It only applies to the poor and those who step on the toes of capital.",
">\n\nWhat a waste of money",
">\n\n...And a Happy New Year!",
">\n\nClassic",
">\n\nShocking",
">\n\nOur governing body are a bunch of cowards. The US is being safeguarded by self-interested Congresspersons who speak about accountability and act on cowardice.",
">\n\nLet's be honest he'll get away with everything with a slap on the wrist. This country won't prosecute a sitting or former president or high ranking politician, we've seen this over and over. The whole committee is sadly a publicity stunt to gain traction for Democrat's. I hope I'm completely wrong of course and that this country will start to feel like it's a democracy.",
">\n\nThe coup is in effect.",
">\n\nI have a sad feeling this committee is going to end up like a fart in the wind",
">\n\nYou’re not wrong",
">\n\nWtf are you talking about?",
">\n\nHands",
">\n\nWho are you talking to? Lmao",
">\n\nWent out with a whimper. The most Democrat thing ever.\nWish the Dems would learn how to take the gloves off, at least they would have a shot against an opponent that has no problems filling their gloves with lead shot. Then bragging about it.",
">\n\nThe subpoena, and associated contempt charges would be nothing when compared to the recommendations made by the committee to the DOJ. Whether or not the DOJ will act is all that matters at this point.",
">\n\nPathetic pieces of shit",
">\n\nAll theatre, all the time. Seems like by now, to most people, that somehow being trolled by their favorite elected might be possible.",
">\n\nSo wait, he just gets away with everything? Just like that?\nWhat about all the articles saying that Trump will most likely spend the rest of his life in prison?",
">\n\nThe subpoena has nothing to do with the recommendations made by the committee to the DOJ. The ball is in the DOJ’s court. The subpoena doesn’t impact anything. Absurd that he didn’t get held in contempt, but that is more of a distraction than anything.",
">\n\nI see. Thanks for explaining!",
">\n\nCan anyone explain why he was not arrested for not responding to the subpoena? I thought you had to respond to these?",
">\n\nFirst they would have had to vote for contempt. Then they would need to issue a referral to DOJ, then DOJ would need to consider it. That is not happening in a week before the new congress is sworn in an this committee expires. They have issued their report and no longer need to speak to him. That is why it was withdrawn. Their job is done.",
">\n\nSubpoenas are real, or they’re not.\nIn the real world if any person defied or ignored a subpoena they would be arrested immediately.\nWhy are some Americans allowed to break the law in broad daylight.",
">\n\nWhy is the DOJ dragging its feet in charging anyone?",
">\n\nDOJ has charged over 700 people out of January 6 and they continue to charge cases. Most of these cases took months if not years to come to fruition.\nAt the end of the day DOJ has no obligation to act on any of the committee’s referrals, although I believe they already have ongoing investigations as to several of the subjects. If anything new comes out of the committee’s work it’s unlikely to happen soon.",
">\n\nThe US is beyond broken. The wealthy can do whatever they want while we are the only ones who face consequences. I can’t wait to leave this shithole again. I won’t be making the mistake of coming back like I did last year.",
">\n\nSuch a farce",
">\n\nBut he wanted to appear!!",
">\n\nThe walls are closing in.",
">\n\nOk, people. Quit guilt-edging and go home.",
">\n\nWait so what is Trump a dastardly super villain who keeps getting away or a dumb oaf. You guys just can't decide.",
">\n\nI can’t wait until nothing happens!\nHas it happened yet?",
">\n\n“All animals are equal but some animals are more equal than others.” \nHey, do you think Reddit will ever reach a state of Nirvana where it will stop claiming “Trump is really sweating now!”?",
">\n\nDoes this not set some sort of precedence? If I now get subpoenaed for something can I not just point to Trump/Barr/Holder and say “no thank you”?",
">\n\nWithdrawing a subpoena sets no precedent and is not at all uncommon.",
">\n\nThe subpoena was issued quite some time ago wasn’t it? And he just flat refused. Were Barr and Holder’s also withdrawn?",
">\n\nI saw the headline and thought the committee dropped a subpoena the way you drop an album. Then I read the article and saw that they dropped it like you drop an extra filler track from an album.",
">\n\nIt would have been a waste of time anyway. \n\"Mr. Trump, did you tell your supporters that the election was stolen and send your supporters to violently break into the capitol building to stop Joe Biden from becoming president\"? - January 6th Committee \n\"The fifth\"! - Trump\nDOJ do your job to save this nation from tyranny and further destruction!🙏",
">\n\nSurprised pikachu face",
">\n\nBut these are the same people that wanted peaceful blm protestors bathed in their own blood? What point do we all take this into our own hands",
">\n\nOh, wow. This is really bad for you, US. Like ultra super deluxe so very not good.",
">\n\nLmao…\n“ThE WaLLs arE cLoSIng in”",
">\n\nwell duh...\npolitics from the beginning",
">\n\nWhat an absolute joke.",
">\n\nInb4 trump takes this decision and expresses it as: “completely exonerated!!!”",
">\n\nThey don’t need his testimony. As if he would ever go anywhere close to a government building after the committee’s final report. Just let him relax to make it easier to arrest him",
">\n\nfucking why?",
">\n\nIsn’t the rule that if you don’t comply with a congressional subpoena you can be held in contempt and fined or jailed? Can the House sergeant-at-arms arrest the person?",
">\n\nWow, naw fuck this.",
">\n\nHe wouldn't show up anyways...🐣",
">\n\nTFG is so slippery, Teflon wouldn't stick",
">\n\nNothing will truly come to fruition until we go out into the streets and force this issue ourselves.",
">\n\nWhat’s the point of that?",
">\n\nTold you.",
">\n\nSad, and utterly predictable.\nZero accountability is the death of liberty. Actual freedom means lawlessness, rather than being a nation of laws. \nThe GOP has now proved that no law matters, and that, like Russia, we are a nation governed by the biggest criminal.",
">\n\nHe should be forced to comply, then you can say you are done",
">\n\nAn absolute travesty of justice. I would've said keep the subpoena open forever. If there's some way for the subpoena's issuing body to dissolve without legally dropping the subpoena, thus leaving it in a permanent state of legal limbo, I would have advocated for that, so that the GOP could never whitewash the fact that he defied a lawfully issued subpoena.\nOtherwise, make the GOP drop it themselves; let them be the ones who let him get away with openly flouting a subpoena.",
">\n\nSo that's it???? This ASSHOLE is scott free from prosecution?",
">\n\nWhat a jackass",
">\n\nRepublicans representatives specifically..."
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They don't need him to testify at this point and they, nor anyone believed he would ever testify. They have all the evidence they need to pass on to the DOJ. Trump said he would testify at one point but that was 🐎 💩
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"So far Trump's legal strategy of ignoring calls for accountability until Republicans in Congress can bail him out is workingly flawlessly.",
">\n\nThat doesn’t mean the DoJ can’t charge and prosecute. \nRight now everything is in response to republicans getting their slim majority in the house and lessen the damage they will do.\nThat said, they still have the mountain of evidence they did gather",
">\n\nWhat about when the AG/DOJ is a GOP appointee? You don’t think they’ll just put in a Bill Barr type on the entire thing?",
">\n\nNot while they have a democratic president and especially when the previous president lost them the midterms.\nThey were already planning on replacing trump with Desantes by equating the 2 (Martha’s Vineyard was part of that), they’re only gonna lose trying to put their party’s future on the line protect him further.\nThey gonna continue to spread doubt and try to discredit the investigations, but they’re barely holding onto a branch of government, they’re not stupid. Barr only worked because they held onto 2",
">\n\nUmmm that’s not what I meant. If a GOP candidate for President wins in 2024 , what are the actual legal implications. It’s not like it’s below them to interfere like they did with the collusion charges",
">\n\n\nThe House January 6 committee is withdrawing its subpoena of former President Donald Trump as it concludes its work.\n“In light of the imminent end of our investigation, the Select Committee can no longer pursue the specific information covered by the subpoena,” Chairman Bennie Thompson, a Mississippi Democrat, wrote in a letter to Trump’s attorney Wednesday obtained by CNN.\n“Therefore, through this letter, I hereby formally withdraw the subpoena issued to former President Trump, and notify you that he is no longer obligated to comply or produce records in response to said subpoena,” Thompson added.",
">\n\nConclusion: Former president Trump is above the law.",
">\n\nYeah kind of makes me sad. Trump can just ignore a subpoena, with zero consequences. \n“We believe you tried to overthrow the government. You are legally required to come talk to us about it.”\n“No thanks.”\n“Oh. Ok, never mind.”",
">\n\nNo consequences? He's has been referred to the DOJ for obstruction of a govt processing last week. They held a recorded vote.",
">\n\nThat’s not a consequence. It’s kicking the can. Trump will never, ever be held responsible for his role in destroying democracy in America.",
">\n\nThis is not TV or a movie. \"The wheels of justice grind slowly yet exceedingly fine\" is a saying for a reason. Federal investigations usually take years.",
">\n\nHe’s been investigated for years. No consequences. Just special appointments, investigations, and referrals. In the mean time, you know who DOES face consequences?\nAmerica.",
">\n\nYou are judging the end of the movie before it is over.\nThe previous investigations were being done while he had the shield of the presidency and an attorney general running obstruction for him. None of that is true now.",
">\n\nThe GOP will continue fighting on his behalf, because the majority are complicit in 45’s fuckery. Again, no consequences will be had. I’m willing to wager a gift card to your favorite local restaurant that he will live fat, rich, and free until at least the 2024/25 inauguration. Save this post.",
">\n\nWe'll see about that. I'll admit to the loss if thats the case.",
">\n\nMore proof that we the people have no rights in comparison to the billionaire ticks.",
">\n\nDude ain't no billionaire",
">\n\nNo, but his buddies are.",
">\n\nHis puppet masters maybe",
">\n\nI mean, who would have thought not starting the fight sooner would end like this?",
">\n\nDon’t worry. He’s got so many more coming.",
">\n\nThe idea that Trump will pay any price for his crimes is a fantasy.",
">\n\nIt’s actually happening. His company has been found guilty. His charity is closed. His cohorts are about to go to jail. His popularity sagging. Protection is gone. We just need the first indictment.",
">\n\nBut none is him",
">\n\nWell Trump Org is pretty much him but be patient.",
">\n\nDrops in the bucket. \nBeen patient for like 6 years now. How much more we gotta wait?",
">\n\nHe couldn’t be prosecuted while president. Watch GA and the special prosecutor. They’re moving fast.",
">\n\nCouldn't be?\nShould have been.",
">\n\nThat’s absolutely wild that any man is able to just straight up ignore a subpoena with zero consequences. Definition of “above the law”. If he gets away with this, he is going to be more dangerous than ever. You get away with leading a coup/insurrection, you’re going to assume you can get away with literally anything. \nMaybe trump was right… he really could shoot someone in the middle of 5th avenue and not lose any voters…and also probably not even get in trouble",
">\n\nSerious questions...so the committee pull the subpoena, but it's up to DOJ for any additional follow up, but when the new congress is in session they can tell DOJ to drop everything? Is that how's its going to go down? Because I thought DOJ is supposed to be independent once given the committee's findings?",
">\n\nThe DOJ is certainly independent of Congress. As for the committee - the only thing they would've done differently was vote on a criminal referral for contempt of Congress. Although there is some truth to congressional contempt needing to stem from congress, The DOJ has no obligation to act on a referral - it is more akin to a recommendation.\nWith that being said, the committee knew it wasn't going to serve any real benefit, so they decided not to.\n\nThe DOJ decided not to prosecute Meadows and Scavino for contempt due to their close ties to the executive. This pretty much ruled out any chance of it happening to Trump, a former President. \nEven a completely successful referral (Steve Bannon) showed how inconsequential Congressional subpoena power is. For one, it is a misdemeanor. It has been ~15 months since Bannon was referred, and he was found guilty and sentenced, and he is still a free man pending appeal. And even if upheld, it's only 4 months in prison as just shy of maximum sentencing guidelines. \nThe DOJ, if they prosecute, are aiming at much bigger crimes - notably Obstruction of an Official Proceeding, which carries up to 20 years. And they'd be potentially trying these crimes in the same jurisdiction.\n\nSo I'm sure the calculation was that it just wasn't worth throwing a referral at the DOJ for something they'd never follow up on, and wouldn't be much benefit if they did.",
">\n\nIn summary, he’s committed so many crimes that this one isn’t worth any effort",
">\n\nEssentially, yeah. The DOJ has two big chances to secure a conviction: Mar-A-Lago and Jan. 6 - and they will likely bring multiple charges in a D.C. court if they decide to prosecute. Mar-A-Lago will come first, which has virtually nothing to do with this committee's work.\nReferring a misdemeanor to tack onto 4 serious felonies they referred probably only risked muddying the larger offenses. Can't blame them honestly.",
">\n\nWhat is “Mar a Lago” in this context! The tax scheme? Classified documents?",
">\n\nThe classified documents",
">\n\nSmall point but they weren't all classified and don't need to be, for what he did to be illegal. Just trying to avoid republican framing.",
">\n\nHillary was not afraid to testify every time she was asked (and testified for hours and hours each time, answering all questions asked) and never took the 5th. Yet republicans act like she is the criminal when it always has been trump.",
">\n\nEven if she was wrong she was smarter than any of the R in the room. That woman was a machine during those hearings and gave them nothing to work with.",
">\n\nShe is definitely smarter than that barrel of monkeys who questioned her, but ultimately, there was nothing to get from her - the perfect opposite case of crimey benedict donald and his co-conspirators.",
">\n\nIt's interesting to see that people think this subpoena would have continued to exist past Jan 3, 2023 given that that's when ALL open subpoenas from the outgoing congress expire and become null and void. Even if the J6 committee continued to exist- they would be required to file a brand new one in the new session.",
">\n\nIt wouldn't be that hard to file a brand new subpoena, they have lawyers who work full-time for them. That isn't an obstacle.",
">\n\nExcept for the committee doesn't exist in the new Congress and they have no powers to do anything if they don't exist.",
">\n\nIt's easy to get the two confused a lot of times.",
">\n\nHow many of y'all actually thought he wasn't going to run out the clock? \nNothing will fundamentally change.",
">\n\nNobody. The “justice takes time” chorus that dominated the narrative was only here to quell social unrest so society didn’t take a dive while the rich mocked us from their golden pedestals.",
">\n\nSerious question: Why? So what if the Dems lose power in the Congress. Let the Republicans be the one to formally dismantle the committee and subpoena on record. Then when hopefully Trump is charged by the DOJ, dems have another talking point for 2024 that the Republicans hate law and order and protect mob bosses.",
">\n\nThe select committee expires at the end of the congressional session. So they do not need to question him because the committee will not exist.",
">\n\nBut what is the point of formally withdrawing the subpoena? What does it accomplish?",
">\n\nThe committee is over. They have issued the report, they are closing up shop. They are following the process. A secondary part of the committees job was to show how a REAL congressional hearing should be handled. None of that sloppy ass grandstanding they did for Benghazi",
">\n\nMy viewpoint is that Trump and the GOP are just going to use this as “proof” that he did nothing wrong. Remember how the Mueller report “exonerated” Trump? His base believes this shit wholeheartedly and I guarantee he will use this as “evidence” for his innocence.\nShowing how things SHOULD be handled instead of taking whatever measures needed to protect Americans lead to Jan 6th happening in the first place. We all know how things should be handled, how the rules should work, but one side is willing to do whatever they need to keep power and the other is getting walked over.\nIs taking the high road worth letting fascism into our government?",
">\n\nIt’s good to know that republicans are allowed to ignore subpoenas. That’s useful info for them. Don’t expect dems to get that treatment",
">\n\nThey dropped the ball in not issuing one a couple of months ago",
">\n\nActually the Democrats have done everything not to ever pick up the ball even once. They let trump appointed republicans appoint a republican special counsel to fall like a straw man to blatant obstruction in the Russia probe. They turned it into a fundraiser for campaigning. \nThis time they let liz Cheney take the reins, who was able to preserve her republican prerogatives throughout this entire ordeal. \nThe fact is that you're all being cucked by forces of controlled opposition and I'm apparently the only one in the world who can't be so easily mitigated.\nI can't depend on any of you anymore than you can depend on yourselves.",
">\n\nYou lost all credibility at the end when you said cuck and act like you’re the smartest person in the world. Be gone!",
">\n\nYeah, I don't know how anyone can be expected to be taken seriously using that whole sentence unironically.",
">\n\nI don't expect to be taken seriously whether I say it or not, yet the facts remain as I've described.",
">\n\nI didn’t see that coming, said absolutely no one.",
">\n\nWhy.",
">\n\nHUGE mistake. The committee will be dissolved by the GOPers in a couple weeks, and all this did was to give the Marmalade Moses another fake victory to rile up his lemmings.",
">\n\nIt’s funny because I say the same thing every time about trump never getting charged and I always get shit about it like BUT NO THIS TIME IS DIFFERENT. \nLmao right. Sure it is.",
">\n\nFucking same. This is just more “ammo” for his orange, shit spewing mouth.",
">\n\nThis guy is still getting more media coverage than the current potus two years into his term. Crazy.",
">\n\nIt does blow that he wasn't forced to comply with the subpoena but for people thinking what a bummer this seems like, the house is switching to a republican majority in like a week so it didn't make a whole lot of sense to leave an active subpoena on record knowing it would never be resolved. They likely knew he wasn't going to comply when it was issued only now its offical that it was officially issued, ignored by trump, and terminated. Who knows if the DOJ will eventually file but everyone pretty much already knew that little temper tantrum trump wasn't going to aid in his own house sedition investigation.",
">\n\nIf we restrict ourselves to the issue of compliance with a subpoena from this committee, then the recent election clearly mooted every aspect of penalties or consequences related to ignoring the subpoena.\nIt's like a big brother was called over and little bro wanted him to force his adversary to bow and kiss the ground. But by the time big bro finally wanders over, the kid goes \"nah... we're good.\"\nA lot of folk like to believe contempt of court or contempt of congress is like any other crime where you do the deed and have to face the punishment. But, in general, these things do not work like crimes. Even where contempt has been codified such that there is a criminal contempt aspect, the goal remains to seek or to force compliance. This leads to \"punishments\" which are better or worse depending on how you view things. A simple view is that you could be \"sentenced\" to indefinite incarceration because it's a \"jailed until compliance\" thing.\nIn this case, Congress has been very, very reticent to try to use their inherent power to jail someone. So the most they ever do these days is refer the case to the DoJ to pursue criminal contempt of congress.\nAll in all, is this a \"good\" thing? Maybe it's not as bad as we feel it to be. Imagine any sort of argument where someone demands you do something. You retort \"are you sure?\" Bystanders urge folk cool down and think about it. Map that into the way Congress changes every two years and you get a sense that unless something is important enough that it remains after the public alters the composition of the legislative branch, maybe it's not all that important (to the public) after all.\nOn the other hand, why would anyone fear Congress when they demonstrate time and again there never really are any consequences for refusal to comply with subpoenas? But... do we want to quake in fear whenever some nutjob party gains control and enacts something as dire as the Committee on Unamerican Activities?",
">\n\nWhat is the advantage of dropping the subpoena, as opposed to just letting it expire/letting the new congress withdraw it? Why go on record saying he no longer has to come in? I get that he was never going to show, I’m just curious why this is better than the alternative.",
">\n\nI’m wondering this too. There has to be a good reason.",
">\n\n?? Why, like it had no power, but still why? This looks like weakness",
">\n\nThe subpoena expires when the new congress is sworn in on Jan 3rd. There was no practical way to enforce it.",
">\n\nWhy not just let it expire?\nNow Republicans have a talking point that the January 6th Committee withdrew their subpoena.\nThey'll use it to muddy the waters and spread more misinformation.",
">\n\nThey already had their talking points. They've had them the whole time. They already released a \"counter report\" to the J6 committee. The committee withdrew it because they are closing up shop. The report is out. Where would Donnie's answers go?",
">\n\nWhy was he not charged with contempt for no show? Once again, he gets let off for bad behaviour",
">\n\nBecause they referred him for 4 much more serious crimes with longer sentences. Referring him for this is essentially pointless.",
">\n\nYes, but i see it as another nail in the coffin, and also sends a message that subpoenas are not to be ignored",
">\n\nImagine if you or I tried to just ignore a subpoena.",
">\n\nIt’s OK if you’re a Republican, as the war criminal’s daughter who voted in line with Trump’s policies during her House tenure can attest.",
">\n\nAnother instance of unequal justice under the law, imo. If you or I disregarded a subpoena from Congress we'd be going to jail...like Steve Bannon.",
">\n\nDrag it out, do nothing, repeat. Glad the J6 group produced a ton of info and exposed a lot of the bs but what's the point of nothing really happens? Media circus? I'm so tired.",
">\n\nGreat precedent. It's good to know if I'm ever subpoenaed by congress I can just ignore it.",
">\n\nJ6 knew he'd puss out and just wanted to get it on the record. And for the same reason they haven't gone after Meadows for ignoring his subpoena, are all of the other serious crimes hanging over him and the orange Traitor in Chief, especially now, the subpoenas aren't worth the time and effort.",
">\n\n\nAnd for the same reason they haven't gone after Meadows for ignoring his subpoena\n\nTo be fair... the House voted him in criminal contempt and sent the referral to that to the DoJ. There wasn't really anything they could do beyond that with respect to his subpoena (yes, inherent contempt in theory exists, in practice it would have been useless for multiple reasons).\nMeadows is also included in the big criminal referrals the committee issued as part of their report as well.",
">\n\nAs usual, this country’s justice system is a joke",
">\n\nThis was a subpoena issued by the congress, not DOJ. He would be arrested if this was subpoena by DOJ and he didn’t show.",
">\n\nLike I said lol this country’s justice system is a joke",
">\n\nBut the justice system has not been involved yet!!! Congressional hearing is not an example of the justice system. The congress has referred the case to the DOJ or “the justice system” as a result of their hearing. DOJ will pursue a criminal investigation and pursue charges. \nJudiciary (justice system as you call it), congress, and executive branches are constitutionally separate and independent to ensure checks and balances.\nJustice system in the US is not ideal, but this specific instance is not an example of these inefficiencies. This is an example of how the congress has been ineffective in doing their legislative actions. In this instance the correct statement would be “Legislative system in this country is a joke.” Justice system has not had a chance to show its incompetence yet. That will be next.",
">\n\nNaive of you to think this is anything more than a show they’re putting on. Nothing will come of it, democrats are by nature pussies let’s be real. None have any teeth or claws. The right is full of a bunch of tribalistic monkeys, party is apparently more important than country. I guess I can rephrase, besides making money and being the best business in the world, America is a joke.",
">\n\n\"OMG. I'm so outraged by this even though I have no idea why.\"\nIt'd be nice if you guys learned the difference between the subpoena and the criminal referral. trump was never going to show up for the subpoena especially since the GOP is about to take control. It's a completely moot point.",
">\n\nExactly. The committee already referred him to the DoJ on criminal charges. Everyone is acting like they're just taking their ball and going home. They already went well and beyond a mere subpoena here, and one of the charges that they're recommending is obstruction already.",
">\n\nAren’t subpoenas mandatory with consequences? Either you show up or go to jail. Trump did neither.",
">\n\nNot if you are rich. Laws are you only for the the lower 90%",
">\n\nThis is such bullshit.",
">\n\nAnother precedent set for rich criminals to not comply. If we citizens didn’t show we’d be at a black site with electrodes on our genitals.",
">\n\nThey should have charged Trump with contempt of Congress.",
">\n\nSo whens the next uprising on behalf of rich people? Just be sure you're actually a political player because if you're just a worker you'll be charged. Chess has really changed over the past hundred years.",
">\n\nTotally expected. \nTrump, the really TV star, said he'd only agree to answer the subpoena if it were live & televised. It's quite obvious the reason is that he'd ignore the questioning & use the free air time to spew his BS, much like in the Presidential debates. \nAnd I'm sure the incoming Republican House would have loved to have given him the opportunity",
">\n\nyeah kinda moot at this point , they already made those criminal referrals anyways lol i wish they would have perused charging him for not showing up however but maybe they figured in light of everything they should focus on the key issues and at this point whatever he had to say really doesnt matter anyways as he would just lie. his testimony would pretty much be useless. its still a shame we didnt get to see it just for historys sake lol",
">\n\nAl trump would do is take the 5th like any other ordinary criminal",
">\n\nSo far as things have gone, will it now be ok for Democrats to ignore all the subpoenas that this next R House is going to send around? I’d think so….",
">\n\nOur government has failed us.... Good luck everyone.",
">\n\nAh yes the criminal Justice system, quite possibly the longest running joke in America",
">\n\n& you just know the cheeto will say something like, ha!, they dropped the subpoena cause they knew I am innocent, or some 💩 like that",
">\n\nNo surprise there. Trump is above the law, as he has proven time and again, over and over throughout the last several years. \nI will be surprised if anything comes out of this investigation, at all. \nI will be surprised if the next republican president isn't worse than Trump. \nI mean seriously, how do they convict him of anything if they can't even call him for questioning. Ever heard of anyone, ever, to get convicted of a crime that didn't have to talk to investigators at some point? \nFuck America. Fuck Trump. And fuck the pussy ass people who refuse to do their fucking job.",
">\n\nThey dropped it because it wasn't necessary and would have given him a national platform needlessly. DOJ will pass to the special council which will bring formal charges, if any will be brought.",
">\n\nThis is actually heartbreaking. Seen a lot of politicians and people of note show time and time again that the rules for EVERY CITIZEN don’t apply to them and this stings just a little more",
">\n\nMy theory that he is blackmailing everyone from the White House down with Area 51 malarky is still holding water...",
">\n\nLet us all start committing crimes and see how that goes, this is bs",
">\n\nSuch bs. I knew he would sleeze his way out of any consequences for his actions. This will only embolden him & his lunatic followers. He incites a riot that kills people & gets away with it. If any of us incited a riot, we would still be in jail & if people died during the riot, we would be charged with murder as well. So sick & tired of the double standard when it comes to a president who breaks the law & walks away, just like nixon did.",
">\n\nshould not have dropped\nshould have referred it to doj for contempt of congress...\nwhite rich continue to get a pass for what the rest of us would have long ago been prosecuted and imprisoned...",
">\n\nThey already referred him to DOJ for obstruction of a govt proceeding last week. What are you talking about?",
">\n\nYeah, because why would you want to subpoena the guy who was completely responsible for the entire thing?\nThe Chuck Schumer neoliberals have engineered this to completely let Trump get away with it - because they think the Republicans are still their friends and they don't want to piss them off!",
">\n\nThey subpoenaed trump months ago. He declined to show. Since, investigation is over, they dropped it. This is not even really news worthy.",
">\n\nHalf the people in this thread have no idea what they're talking about and are confusing the subpoena with the criminal referral.",
">\n\nOh, is that what's going on? Lol. I was wondering why ppl are making a big deal about this. This is just the committee cleaning up loose ends.",
">\n\nIt's a big deal if someone who's now a private citizen, can do wtf he wants and ignore a Congressional subpoena.",
">\n\nIt takes votes by congress to hold in contempt. They didn't need trump's testimony. He would just show up and repeat I plead the 5th anyway. Pence ignored his, too. It's pointless to hold them in contempt and get off focus of actual investigation.",
">\n\nYou're proving my point. Congressional Democrats should have enforced the subpoena and made Trump plead the 5th to every question. Imagine if Pence also appeared and pled the 5th to every question. That is political magic for the Democrats, it makes them look guilty as hell.\nTrump committed a crime, and this is America. It should be the same as if I committed a crime. We would get arrested, taken to jail until the morning, see a judge and face our charges, and then either get released on OR, held for trial, or bail set. It's not much of a democracy if laws are not enforced against powerful people.",
">\n\nOnce you all realize this is just a game and you’re the pawn things will make a lot more sense.",
">\n\nNow hear him cry about never getting a chance to testify when he’s charged.",
">\n\nI see this less as a “you’re excused” and more of a “see you in court”",
">\n\nNo need to bother with it when they've already finished their work. The only thing that testimony would have accomplished would have been getting Trump to look bad on national television, and a potential perjury charge. Trump already has embarrassed himself in public in a massive way since then, and they have bigger crimes to recommend to the DOJ for prosecution.",
">\n\nThe moment they announced the subpoena everyone got a hard on that trump would have to talk. I said it then and I’ll say it again, trump will never have to face any punishment and he doesn’t have to comply to any law or rules. They’re all more suggestions instead of laws.",
">\n\nWhat a waste of fucking time",
">\n\nSo......this was a big fat waste of time and money?",
">\n\nI mean they made a criminal referral so, no? The committee wasn’t set up to solely investigate Dolt 45 and took the testimony of over a thousand people, why is it you believe withdrawing one subpoena because the committee is winding down renders the entire process a “waste of time and money.”",
">\n\nNo mention on CNN that they dropped the subpoena after a year of January 6 January 6 January 6 terrible news station",
">\n\nWell, it’s being run by a Republican so go figure",
">\n\nTalk about the wheels of justice turning slow. In this case reversing altogether. Well done.",
">\n\nI wish this surprised me.",
">\n\nLOL God this is so funny\nWhat the fuck did y'all expect if you have money you are above the law. It only applies to the poor and those who step on the toes of capital.",
">\n\nWhat a waste of money",
">\n\n...And a Happy New Year!",
">\n\nClassic",
">\n\nShocking",
">\n\nOur governing body are a bunch of cowards. The US is being safeguarded by self-interested Congresspersons who speak about accountability and act on cowardice.",
">\n\nLet's be honest he'll get away with everything with a slap on the wrist. This country won't prosecute a sitting or former president or high ranking politician, we've seen this over and over. The whole committee is sadly a publicity stunt to gain traction for Democrat's. I hope I'm completely wrong of course and that this country will start to feel like it's a democracy.",
">\n\nThe coup is in effect.",
">\n\nI have a sad feeling this committee is going to end up like a fart in the wind",
">\n\nYou’re not wrong",
">\n\nWtf are you talking about?",
">\n\nHands",
">\n\nWho are you talking to? Lmao",
">\n\nWent out with a whimper. The most Democrat thing ever.\nWish the Dems would learn how to take the gloves off, at least they would have a shot against an opponent that has no problems filling their gloves with lead shot. Then bragging about it.",
">\n\nThe subpoena, and associated contempt charges would be nothing when compared to the recommendations made by the committee to the DOJ. Whether or not the DOJ will act is all that matters at this point.",
">\n\nPathetic pieces of shit",
">\n\nAll theatre, all the time. Seems like by now, to most people, that somehow being trolled by their favorite elected might be possible.",
">\n\nSo wait, he just gets away with everything? Just like that?\nWhat about all the articles saying that Trump will most likely spend the rest of his life in prison?",
">\n\nThe subpoena has nothing to do with the recommendations made by the committee to the DOJ. The ball is in the DOJ’s court. The subpoena doesn’t impact anything. Absurd that he didn’t get held in contempt, but that is more of a distraction than anything.",
">\n\nI see. Thanks for explaining!",
">\n\nCan anyone explain why he was not arrested for not responding to the subpoena? I thought you had to respond to these?",
">\n\nFirst they would have had to vote for contempt. Then they would need to issue a referral to DOJ, then DOJ would need to consider it. That is not happening in a week before the new congress is sworn in an this committee expires. They have issued their report and no longer need to speak to him. That is why it was withdrawn. Their job is done.",
">\n\nSubpoenas are real, or they’re not.\nIn the real world if any person defied or ignored a subpoena they would be arrested immediately.\nWhy are some Americans allowed to break the law in broad daylight.",
">\n\nWhy is the DOJ dragging its feet in charging anyone?",
">\n\nDOJ has charged over 700 people out of January 6 and they continue to charge cases. Most of these cases took months if not years to come to fruition.\nAt the end of the day DOJ has no obligation to act on any of the committee’s referrals, although I believe they already have ongoing investigations as to several of the subjects. If anything new comes out of the committee’s work it’s unlikely to happen soon.",
">\n\nThe US is beyond broken. The wealthy can do whatever they want while we are the only ones who face consequences. I can’t wait to leave this shithole again. I won’t be making the mistake of coming back like I did last year.",
">\n\nSuch a farce",
">\n\nBut he wanted to appear!!",
">\n\nThe walls are closing in.",
">\n\nOk, people. Quit guilt-edging and go home.",
">\n\nWait so what is Trump a dastardly super villain who keeps getting away or a dumb oaf. You guys just can't decide.",
">\n\nI can’t wait until nothing happens!\nHas it happened yet?",
">\n\n“All animals are equal but some animals are more equal than others.” \nHey, do you think Reddit will ever reach a state of Nirvana where it will stop claiming “Trump is really sweating now!”?",
">\n\nDoes this not set some sort of precedence? If I now get subpoenaed for something can I not just point to Trump/Barr/Holder and say “no thank you”?",
">\n\nWithdrawing a subpoena sets no precedent and is not at all uncommon.",
">\n\nThe subpoena was issued quite some time ago wasn’t it? And he just flat refused. Were Barr and Holder’s also withdrawn?",
">\n\nI saw the headline and thought the committee dropped a subpoena the way you drop an album. Then I read the article and saw that they dropped it like you drop an extra filler track from an album.",
">\n\nIt would have been a waste of time anyway. \n\"Mr. Trump, did you tell your supporters that the election was stolen and send your supporters to violently break into the capitol building to stop Joe Biden from becoming president\"? - January 6th Committee \n\"The fifth\"! - Trump\nDOJ do your job to save this nation from tyranny and further destruction!🙏",
">\n\nSurprised pikachu face",
">\n\nBut these are the same people that wanted peaceful blm protestors bathed in their own blood? What point do we all take this into our own hands",
">\n\nOh, wow. This is really bad for you, US. Like ultra super deluxe so very not good.",
">\n\nLmao…\n“ThE WaLLs arE cLoSIng in”",
">\n\nwell duh...\npolitics from the beginning",
">\n\nWhat an absolute joke.",
">\n\nInb4 trump takes this decision and expresses it as: “completely exonerated!!!”",
">\n\nThey don’t need his testimony. As if he would ever go anywhere close to a government building after the committee’s final report. Just let him relax to make it easier to arrest him",
">\n\nfucking why?",
">\n\nIsn’t the rule that if you don’t comply with a congressional subpoena you can be held in contempt and fined or jailed? Can the House sergeant-at-arms arrest the person?",
">\n\nWow, naw fuck this.",
">\n\nHe wouldn't show up anyways...🐣",
">\n\nTFG is so slippery, Teflon wouldn't stick",
">\n\nNothing will truly come to fruition until we go out into the streets and force this issue ourselves.",
">\n\nWhat’s the point of that?",
">\n\nTold you.",
">\n\nSad, and utterly predictable.\nZero accountability is the death of liberty. Actual freedom means lawlessness, rather than being a nation of laws. \nThe GOP has now proved that no law matters, and that, like Russia, we are a nation governed by the biggest criminal.",
">\n\nHe should be forced to comply, then you can say you are done",
">\n\nAn absolute travesty of justice. I would've said keep the subpoena open forever. If there's some way for the subpoena's issuing body to dissolve without legally dropping the subpoena, thus leaving it in a permanent state of legal limbo, I would have advocated for that, so that the GOP could never whitewash the fact that he defied a lawfully issued subpoena.\nOtherwise, make the GOP drop it themselves; let them be the ones who let him get away with openly flouting a subpoena.",
">\n\nSo that's it???? This ASSHOLE is scott free from prosecution?",
">\n\nWhat a jackass",
">\n\nRepublicans representatives specifically...",
">\n\nIt doesn't matter anymore the witch hunt it over ! HE'S FALLIN IN HIS OWN S**t. Ding dong !"
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"So far Trump's legal strategy of ignoring calls for accountability until Republicans in Congress can bail him out is workingly flawlessly.",
">\n\nThat doesn’t mean the DoJ can’t charge and prosecute. \nRight now everything is in response to republicans getting their slim majority in the house and lessen the damage they will do.\nThat said, they still have the mountain of evidence they did gather",
">\n\nWhat about when the AG/DOJ is a GOP appointee? You don’t think they’ll just put in a Bill Barr type on the entire thing?",
">\n\nNot while they have a democratic president and especially when the previous president lost them the midterms.\nThey were already planning on replacing trump with Desantes by equating the 2 (Martha’s Vineyard was part of that), they’re only gonna lose trying to put their party’s future on the line protect him further.\nThey gonna continue to spread doubt and try to discredit the investigations, but they’re barely holding onto a branch of government, they’re not stupid. Barr only worked because they held onto 2",
">\n\nUmmm that’s not what I meant. If a GOP candidate for President wins in 2024 , what are the actual legal implications. It’s not like it’s below them to interfere like they did with the collusion charges",
">\n\n\nThe House January 6 committee is withdrawing its subpoena of former President Donald Trump as it concludes its work.\n“In light of the imminent end of our investigation, the Select Committee can no longer pursue the specific information covered by the subpoena,” Chairman Bennie Thompson, a Mississippi Democrat, wrote in a letter to Trump’s attorney Wednesday obtained by CNN.\n“Therefore, through this letter, I hereby formally withdraw the subpoena issued to former President Trump, and notify you that he is no longer obligated to comply or produce records in response to said subpoena,” Thompson added.",
">\n\nConclusion: Former president Trump is above the law.",
">\n\nYeah kind of makes me sad. Trump can just ignore a subpoena, with zero consequences. \n“We believe you tried to overthrow the government. You are legally required to come talk to us about it.”\n“No thanks.”\n“Oh. Ok, never mind.”",
">\n\nNo consequences? He's has been referred to the DOJ for obstruction of a govt processing last week. They held a recorded vote.",
">\n\nThat’s not a consequence. It’s kicking the can. Trump will never, ever be held responsible for his role in destroying democracy in America.",
">\n\nThis is not TV or a movie. \"The wheels of justice grind slowly yet exceedingly fine\" is a saying for a reason. Federal investigations usually take years.",
">\n\nHe’s been investigated for years. No consequences. Just special appointments, investigations, and referrals. In the mean time, you know who DOES face consequences?\nAmerica.",
">\n\nYou are judging the end of the movie before it is over.\nThe previous investigations were being done while he had the shield of the presidency and an attorney general running obstruction for him. None of that is true now.",
">\n\nThe GOP will continue fighting on his behalf, because the majority are complicit in 45’s fuckery. Again, no consequences will be had. I’m willing to wager a gift card to your favorite local restaurant that he will live fat, rich, and free until at least the 2024/25 inauguration. Save this post.",
">\n\nWe'll see about that. I'll admit to the loss if thats the case.",
">\n\nMore proof that we the people have no rights in comparison to the billionaire ticks.",
">\n\nDude ain't no billionaire",
">\n\nNo, but his buddies are.",
">\n\nHis puppet masters maybe",
">\n\nI mean, who would have thought not starting the fight sooner would end like this?",
">\n\nDon’t worry. He’s got so many more coming.",
">\n\nThe idea that Trump will pay any price for his crimes is a fantasy.",
">\n\nIt’s actually happening. His company has been found guilty. His charity is closed. His cohorts are about to go to jail. His popularity sagging. Protection is gone. We just need the first indictment.",
">\n\nBut none is him",
">\n\nWell Trump Org is pretty much him but be patient.",
">\n\nDrops in the bucket. \nBeen patient for like 6 years now. How much more we gotta wait?",
">\n\nHe couldn’t be prosecuted while president. Watch GA and the special prosecutor. They’re moving fast.",
">\n\nCouldn't be?\nShould have been.",
">\n\nThat’s absolutely wild that any man is able to just straight up ignore a subpoena with zero consequences. Definition of “above the law”. If he gets away with this, he is going to be more dangerous than ever. You get away with leading a coup/insurrection, you’re going to assume you can get away with literally anything. \nMaybe trump was right… he really could shoot someone in the middle of 5th avenue and not lose any voters…and also probably not even get in trouble",
">\n\nSerious questions...so the committee pull the subpoena, but it's up to DOJ for any additional follow up, but when the new congress is in session they can tell DOJ to drop everything? Is that how's its going to go down? Because I thought DOJ is supposed to be independent once given the committee's findings?",
">\n\nThe DOJ is certainly independent of Congress. As for the committee - the only thing they would've done differently was vote on a criminal referral for contempt of Congress. Although there is some truth to congressional contempt needing to stem from congress, The DOJ has no obligation to act on a referral - it is more akin to a recommendation.\nWith that being said, the committee knew it wasn't going to serve any real benefit, so they decided not to.\n\nThe DOJ decided not to prosecute Meadows and Scavino for contempt due to their close ties to the executive. This pretty much ruled out any chance of it happening to Trump, a former President. \nEven a completely successful referral (Steve Bannon) showed how inconsequential Congressional subpoena power is. For one, it is a misdemeanor. It has been ~15 months since Bannon was referred, and he was found guilty and sentenced, and he is still a free man pending appeal. And even if upheld, it's only 4 months in prison as just shy of maximum sentencing guidelines. \nThe DOJ, if they prosecute, are aiming at much bigger crimes - notably Obstruction of an Official Proceeding, which carries up to 20 years. And they'd be potentially trying these crimes in the same jurisdiction.\n\nSo I'm sure the calculation was that it just wasn't worth throwing a referral at the DOJ for something they'd never follow up on, and wouldn't be much benefit if they did.",
">\n\nIn summary, he’s committed so many crimes that this one isn’t worth any effort",
">\n\nEssentially, yeah. The DOJ has two big chances to secure a conviction: Mar-A-Lago and Jan. 6 - and they will likely bring multiple charges in a D.C. court if they decide to prosecute. Mar-A-Lago will come first, which has virtually nothing to do with this committee's work.\nReferring a misdemeanor to tack onto 4 serious felonies they referred probably only risked muddying the larger offenses. Can't blame them honestly.",
">\n\nWhat is “Mar a Lago” in this context! The tax scheme? Classified documents?",
">\n\nThe classified documents",
">\n\nSmall point but they weren't all classified and don't need to be, for what he did to be illegal. Just trying to avoid republican framing.",
">\n\nHillary was not afraid to testify every time she was asked (and testified for hours and hours each time, answering all questions asked) and never took the 5th. Yet republicans act like she is the criminal when it always has been trump.",
">\n\nEven if she was wrong she was smarter than any of the R in the room. That woman was a machine during those hearings and gave them nothing to work with.",
">\n\nShe is definitely smarter than that barrel of monkeys who questioned her, but ultimately, there was nothing to get from her - the perfect opposite case of crimey benedict donald and his co-conspirators.",
">\n\nIt's interesting to see that people think this subpoena would have continued to exist past Jan 3, 2023 given that that's when ALL open subpoenas from the outgoing congress expire and become null and void. Even if the J6 committee continued to exist- they would be required to file a brand new one in the new session.",
">\n\nIt wouldn't be that hard to file a brand new subpoena, they have lawyers who work full-time for them. That isn't an obstacle.",
">\n\nExcept for the committee doesn't exist in the new Congress and they have no powers to do anything if they don't exist.",
">\n\nIt's easy to get the two confused a lot of times.",
">\n\nHow many of y'all actually thought he wasn't going to run out the clock? \nNothing will fundamentally change.",
">\n\nNobody. The “justice takes time” chorus that dominated the narrative was only here to quell social unrest so society didn’t take a dive while the rich mocked us from their golden pedestals.",
">\n\nSerious question: Why? So what if the Dems lose power in the Congress. Let the Republicans be the one to formally dismantle the committee and subpoena on record. Then when hopefully Trump is charged by the DOJ, dems have another talking point for 2024 that the Republicans hate law and order and protect mob bosses.",
">\n\nThe select committee expires at the end of the congressional session. So they do not need to question him because the committee will not exist.",
">\n\nBut what is the point of formally withdrawing the subpoena? What does it accomplish?",
">\n\nThe committee is over. They have issued the report, they are closing up shop. They are following the process. A secondary part of the committees job was to show how a REAL congressional hearing should be handled. None of that sloppy ass grandstanding they did for Benghazi",
">\n\nMy viewpoint is that Trump and the GOP are just going to use this as “proof” that he did nothing wrong. Remember how the Mueller report “exonerated” Trump? His base believes this shit wholeheartedly and I guarantee he will use this as “evidence” for his innocence.\nShowing how things SHOULD be handled instead of taking whatever measures needed to protect Americans lead to Jan 6th happening in the first place. We all know how things should be handled, how the rules should work, but one side is willing to do whatever they need to keep power and the other is getting walked over.\nIs taking the high road worth letting fascism into our government?",
">\n\nIt’s good to know that republicans are allowed to ignore subpoenas. That’s useful info for them. Don’t expect dems to get that treatment",
">\n\nThey dropped the ball in not issuing one a couple of months ago",
">\n\nActually the Democrats have done everything not to ever pick up the ball even once. They let trump appointed republicans appoint a republican special counsel to fall like a straw man to blatant obstruction in the Russia probe. They turned it into a fundraiser for campaigning. \nThis time they let liz Cheney take the reins, who was able to preserve her republican prerogatives throughout this entire ordeal. \nThe fact is that you're all being cucked by forces of controlled opposition and I'm apparently the only one in the world who can't be so easily mitigated.\nI can't depend on any of you anymore than you can depend on yourselves.",
">\n\nYou lost all credibility at the end when you said cuck and act like you’re the smartest person in the world. Be gone!",
">\n\nYeah, I don't know how anyone can be expected to be taken seriously using that whole sentence unironically.",
">\n\nI don't expect to be taken seriously whether I say it or not, yet the facts remain as I've described.",
">\n\nI didn’t see that coming, said absolutely no one.",
">\n\nWhy.",
">\n\nHUGE mistake. The committee will be dissolved by the GOPers in a couple weeks, and all this did was to give the Marmalade Moses another fake victory to rile up his lemmings.",
">\n\nIt’s funny because I say the same thing every time about trump never getting charged and I always get shit about it like BUT NO THIS TIME IS DIFFERENT. \nLmao right. Sure it is.",
">\n\nFucking same. This is just more “ammo” for his orange, shit spewing mouth.",
">\n\nThis guy is still getting more media coverage than the current potus two years into his term. Crazy.",
">\n\nIt does blow that he wasn't forced to comply with the subpoena but for people thinking what a bummer this seems like, the house is switching to a republican majority in like a week so it didn't make a whole lot of sense to leave an active subpoena on record knowing it would never be resolved. They likely knew he wasn't going to comply when it was issued only now its offical that it was officially issued, ignored by trump, and terminated. Who knows if the DOJ will eventually file but everyone pretty much already knew that little temper tantrum trump wasn't going to aid in his own house sedition investigation.",
">\n\nIf we restrict ourselves to the issue of compliance with a subpoena from this committee, then the recent election clearly mooted every aspect of penalties or consequences related to ignoring the subpoena.\nIt's like a big brother was called over and little bro wanted him to force his adversary to bow and kiss the ground. But by the time big bro finally wanders over, the kid goes \"nah... we're good.\"\nA lot of folk like to believe contempt of court or contempt of congress is like any other crime where you do the deed and have to face the punishment. But, in general, these things do not work like crimes. Even where contempt has been codified such that there is a criminal contempt aspect, the goal remains to seek or to force compliance. This leads to \"punishments\" which are better or worse depending on how you view things. A simple view is that you could be \"sentenced\" to indefinite incarceration because it's a \"jailed until compliance\" thing.\nIn this case, Congress has been very, very reticent to try to use their inherent power to jail someone. So the most they ever do these days is refer the case to the DoJ to pursue criminal contempt of congress.\nAll in all, is this a \"good\" thing? Maybe it's not as bad as we feel it to be. Imagine any sort of argument where someone demands you do something. You retort \"are you sure?\" Bystanders urge folk cool down and think about it. Map that into the way Congress changes every two years and you get a sense that unless something is important enough that it remains after the public alters the composition of the legislative branch, maybe it's not all that important (to the public) after all.\nOn the other hand, why would anyone fear Congress when they demonstrate time and again there never really are any consequences for refusal to comply with subpoenas? But... do we want to quake in fear whenever some nutjob party gains control and enacts something as dire as the Committee on Unamerican Activities?",
">\n\nWhat is the advantage of dropping the subpoena, as opposed to just letting it expire/letting the new congress withdraw it? Why go on record saying he no longer has to come in? I get that he was never going to show, I’m just curious why this is better than the alternative.",
">\n\nI’m wondering this too. There has to be a good reason.",
">\n\n?? Why, like it had no power, but still why? This looks like weakness",
">\n\nThe subpoena expires when the new congress is sworn in on Jan 3rd. There was no practical way to enforce it.",
">\n\nWhy not just let it expire?\nNow Republicans have a talking point that the January 6th Committee withdrew their subpoena.\nThey'll use it to muddy the waters and spread more misinformation.",
">\n\nThey already had their talking points. They've had them the whole time. They already released a \"counter report\" to the J6 committee. The committee withdrew it because they are closing up shop. The report is out. Where would Donnie's answers go?",
">\n\nWhy was he not charged with contempt for no show? Once again, he gets let off for bad behaviour",
">\n\nBecause they referred him for 4 much more serious crimes with longer sentences. Referring him for this is essentially pointless.",
">\n\nYes, but i see it as another nail in the coffin, and also sends a message that subpoenas are not to be ignored",
">\n\nImagine if you or I tried to just ignore a subpoena.",
">\n\nIt’s OK if you’re a Republican, as the war criminal’s daughter who voted in line with Trump’s policies during her House tenure can attest.",
">\n\nAnother instance of unequal justice under the law, imo. If you or I disregarded a subpoena from Congress we'd be going to jail...like Steve Bannon.",
">\n\nDrag it out, do nothing, repeat. Glad the J6 group produced a ton of info and exposed a lot of the bs but what's the point of nothing really happens? Media circus? I'm so tired.",
">\n\nGreat precedent. It's good to know if I'm ever subpoenaed by congress I can just ignore it.",
">\n\nJ6 knew he'd puss out and just wanted to get it on the record. And for the same reason they haven't gone after Meadows for ignoring his subpoena, are all of the other serious crimes hanging over him and the orange Traitor in Chief, especially now, the subpoenas aren't worth the time and effort.",
">\n\n\nAnd for the same reason they haven't gone after Meadows for ignoring his subpoena\n\nTo be fair... the House voted him in criminal contempt and sent the referral to that to the DoJ. There wasn't really anything they could do beyond that with respect to his subpoena (yes, inherent contempt in theory exists, in practice it would have been useless for multiple reasons).\nMeadows is also included in the big criminal referrals the committee issued as part of their report as well.",
">\n\nAs usual, this country’s justice system is a joke",
">\n\nThis was a subpoena issued by the congress, not DOJ. He would be arrested if this was subpoena by DOJ and he didn’t show.",
">\n\nLike I said lol this country’s justice system is a joke",
">\n\nBut the justice system has not been involved yet!!! Congressional hearing is not an example of the justice system. The congress has referred the case to the DOJ or “the justice system” as a result of their hearing. DOJ will pursue a criminal investigation and pursue charges. \nJudiciary (justice system as you call it), congress, and executive branches are constitutionally separate and independent to ensure checks and balances.\nJustice system in the US is not ideal, but this specific instance is not an example of these inefficiencies. This is an example of how the congress has been ineffective in doing their legislative actions. In this instance the correct statement would be “Legislative system in this country is a joke.” Justice system has not had a chance to show its incompetence yet. That will be next.",
">\n\nNaive of you to think this is anything more than a show they’re putting on. Nothing will come of it, democrats are by nature pussies let’s be real. None have any teeth or claws. The right is full of a bunch of tribalistic monkeys, party is apparently more important than country. I guess I can rephrase, besides making money and being the best business in the world, America is a joke.",
">\n\n\"OMG. I'm so outraged by this even though I have no idea why.\"\nIt'd be nice if you guys learned the difference between the subpoena and the criminal referral. trump was never going to show up for the subpoena especially since the GOP is about to take control. It's a completely moot point.",
">\n\nExactly. The committee already referred him to the DoJ on criminal charges. Everyone is acting like they're just taking their ball and going home. They already went well and beyond a mere subpoena here, and one of the charges that they're recommending is obstruction already.",
">\n\nAren’t subpoenas mandatory with consequences? Either you show up or go to jail. Trump did neither.",
">\n\nNot if you are rich. Laws are you only for the the lower 90%",
">\n\nThis is such bullshit.",
">\n\nAnother precedent set for rich criminals to not comply. If we citizens didn’t show we’d be at a black site with electrodes on our genitals.",
">\n\nThey should have charged Trump with contempt of Congress.",
">\n\nSo whens the next uprising on behalf of rich people? Just be sure you're actually a political player because if you're just a worker you'll be charged. Chess has really changed over the past hundred years.",
">\n\nTotally expected. \nTrump, the really TV star, said he'd only agree to answer the subpoena if it were live & televised. It's quite obvious the reason is that he'd ignore the questioning & use the free air time to spew his BS, much like in the Presidential debates. \nAnd I'm sure the incoming Republican House would have loved to have given him the opportunity",
">\n\nyeah kinda moot at this point , they already made those criminal referrals anyways lol i wish they would have perused charging him for not showing up however but maybe they figured in light of everything they should focus on the key issues and at this point whatever he had to say really doesnt matter anyways as he would just lie. his testimony would pretty much be useless. its still a shame we didnt get to see it just for historys sake lol",
">\n\nAl trump would do is take the 5th like any other ordinary criminal",
">\n\nSo far as things have gone, will it now be ok for Democrats to ignore all the subpoenas that this next R House is going to send around? I’d think so….",
">\n\nOur government has failed us.... Good luck everyone.",
">\n\nAh yes the criminal Justice system, quite possibly the longest running joke in America",
">\n\n& you just know the cheeto will say something like, ha!, they dropped the subpoena cause they knew I am innocent, or some 💩 like that",
">\n\nNo surprise there. Trump is above the law, as he has proven time and again, over and over throughout the last several years. \nI will be surprised if anything comes out of this investigation, at all. \nI will be surprised if the next republican president isn't worse than Trump. \nI mean seriously, how do they convict him of anything if they can't even call him for questioning. Ever heard of anyone, ever, to get convicted of a crime that didn't have to talk to investigators at some point? \nFuck America. Fuck Trump. And fuck the pussy ass people who refuse to do their fucking job.",
">\n\nThey dropped it because it wasn't necessary and would have given him a national platform needlessly. DOJ will pass to the special council which will bring formal charges, if any will be brought.",
">\n\nThis is actually heartbreaking. Seen a lot of politicians and people of note show time and time again that the rules for EVERY CITIZEN don’t apply to them and this stings just a little more",
">\n\nMy theory that he is blackmailing everyone from the White House down with Area 51 malarky is still holding water...",
">\n\nLet us all start committing crimes and see how that goes, this is bs",
">\n\nSuch bs. I knew he would sleeze his way out of any consequences for his actions. This will only embolden him & his lunatic followers. He incites a riot that kills people & gets away with it. If any of us incited a riot, we would still be in jail & if people died during the riot, we would be charged with murder as well. So sick & tired of the double standard when it comes to a president who breaks the law & walks away, just like nixon did.",
">\n\nshould not have dropped\nshould have referred it to doj for contempt of congress...\nwhite rich continue to get a pass for what the rest of us would have long ago been prosecuted and imprisoned...",
">\n\nThey already referred him to DOJ for obstruction of a govt proceeding last week. What are you talking about?",
">\n\nYeah, because why would you want to subpoena the guy who was completely responsible for the entire thing?\nThe Chuck Schumer neoliberals have engineered this to completely let Trump get away with it - because they think the Republicans are still their friends and they don't want to piss them off!",
">\n\nThey subpoenaed trump months ago. He declined to show. Since, investigation is over, they dropped it. This is not even really news worthy.",
">\n\nHalf the people in this thread have no idea what they're talking about and are confusing the subpoena with the criminal referral.",
">\n\nOh, is that what's going on? Lol. I was wondering why ppl are making a big deal about this. This is just the committee cleaning up loose ends.",
">\n\nIt's a big deal if someone who's now a private citizen, can do wtf he wants and ignore a Congressional subpoena.",
">\n\nIt takes votes by congress to hold in contempt. They didn't need trump's testimony. He would just show up and repeat I plead the 5th anyway. Pence ignored his, too. It's pointless to hold them in contempt and get off focus of actual investigation.",
">\n\nYou're proving my point. Congressional Democrats should have enforced the subpoena and made Trump plead the 5th to every question. Imagine if Pence also appeared and pled the 5th to every question. That is political magic for the Democrats, it makes them look guilty as hell.\nTrump committed a crime, and this is America. It should be the same as if I committed a crime. We would get arrested, taken to jail until the morning, see a judge and face our charges, and then either get released on OR, held for trial, or bail set. It's not much of a democracy if laws are not enforced against powerful people.",
">\n\nOnce you all realize this is just a game and you’re the pawn things will make a lot more sense.",
">\n\nNow hear him cry about never getting a chance to testify when he’s charged.",
">\n\nI see this less as a “you’re excused” and more of a “see you in court”",
">\n\nNo need to bother with it when they've already finished their work. The only thing that testimony would have accomplished would have been getting Trump to look bad on national television, and a potential perjury charge. Trump already has embarrassed himself in public in a massive way since then, and they have bigger crimes to recommend to the DOJ for prosecution.",
">\n\nThe moment they announced the subpoena everyone got a hard on that trump would have to talk. I said it then and I’ll say it again, trump will never have to face any punishment and he doesn’t have to comply to any law or rules. They’re all more suggestions instead of laws.",
">\n\nWhat a waste of fucking time",
">\n\nSo......this was a big fat waste of time and money?",
">\n\nI mean they made a criminal referral so, no? The committee wasn’t set up to solely investigate Dolt 45 and took the testimony of over a thousand people, why is it you believe withdrawing one subpoena because the committee is winding down renders the entire process a “waste of time and money.”",
">\n\nNo mention on CNN that they dropped the subpoena after a year of January 6 January 6 January 6 terrible news station",
">\n\nWell, it’s being run by a Republican so go figure",
">\n\nTalk about the wheels of justice turning slow. In this case reversing altogether. Well done.",
">\n\nI wish this surprised me.",
">\n\nLOL God this is so funny\nWhat the fuck did y'all expect if you have money you are above the law. It only applies to the poor and those who step on the toes of capital.",
">\n\nWhat a waste of money",
">\n\n...And a Happy New Year!",
">\n\nClassic",
">\n\nShocking",
">\n\nOur governing body are a bunch of cowards. The US is being safeguarded by self-interested Congresspersons who speak about accountability and act on cowardice.",
">\n\nLet's be honest he'll get away with everything with a slap on the wrist. This country won't prosecute a sitting or former president or high ranking politician, we've seen this over and over. The whole committee is sadly a publicity stunt to gain traction for Democrat's. I hope I'm completely wrong of course and that this country will start to feel like it's a democracy.",
">\n\nThe coup is in effect.",
">\n\nI have a sad feeling this committee is going to end up like a fart in the wind",
">\n\nYou’re not wrong",
">\n\nWtf are you talking about?",
">\n\nHands",
">\n\nWho are you talking to? Lmao",
">\n\nWent out with a whimper. The most Democrat thing ever.\nWish the Dems would learn how to take the gloves off, at least they would have a shot against an opponent that has no problems filling their gloves with lead shot. Then bragging about it.",
">\n\nThe subpoena, and associated contempt charges would be nothing when compared to the recommendations made by the committee to the DOJ. Whether or not the DOJ will act is all that matters at this point.",
">\n\nPathetic pieces of shit",
">\n\nAll theatre, all the time. Seems like by now, to most people, that somehow being trolled by their favorite elected might be possible.",
">\n\nSo wait, he just gets away with everything? Just like that?\nWhat about all the articles saying that Trump will most likely spend the rest of his life in prison?",
">\n\nThe subpoena has nothing to do with the recommendations made by the committee to the DOJ. The ball is in the DOJ’s court. The subpoena doesn’t impact anything. Absurd that he didn’t get held in contempt, but that is more of a distraction than anything.",
">\n\nI see. Thanks for explaining!",
">\n\nCan anyone explain why he was not arrested for not responding to the subpoena? I thought you had to respond to these?",
">\n\nFirst they would have had to vote for contempt. Then they would need to issue a referral to DOJ, then DOJ would need to consider it. That is not happening in a week before the new congress is sworn in an this committee expires. They have issued their report and no longer need to speak to him. That is why it was withdrawn. Their job is done.",
">\n\nSubpoenas are real, or they’re not.\nIn the real world if any person defied or ignored a subpoena they would be arrested immediately.\nWhy are some Americans allowed to break the law in broad daylight.",
">\n\nWhy is the DOJ dragging its feet in charging anyone?",
">\n\nDOJ has charged over 700 people out of January 6 and they continue to charge cases. Most of these cases took months if not years to come to fruition.\nAt the end of the day DOJ has no obligation to act on any of the committee’s referrals, although I believe they already have ongoing investigations as to several of the subjects. If anything new comes out of the committee’s work it’s unlikely to happen soon.",
">\n\nThe US is beyond broken. The wealthy can do whatever they want while we are the only ones who face consequences. I can’t wait to leave this shithole again. I won’t be making the mistake of coming back like I did last year.",
">\n\nSuch a farce",
">\n\nBut he wanted to appear!!",
">\n\nThe walls are closing in.",
">\n\nOk, people. Quit guilt-edging and go home.",
">\n\nWait so what is Trump a dastardly super villain who keeps getting away or a dumb oaf. You guys just can't decide.",
">\n\nI can’t wait until nothing happens!\nHas it happened yet?",
">\n\n“All animals are equal but some animals are more equal than others.” \nHey, do you think Reddit will ever reach a state of Nirvana where it will stop claiming “Trump is really sweating now!”?",
">\n\nDoes this not set some sort of precedence? If I now get subpoenaed for something can I not just point to Trump/Barr/Holder and say “no thank you”?",
">\n\nWithdrawing a subpoena sets no precedent and is not at all uncommon.",
">\n\nThe subpoena was issued quite some time ago wasn’t it? And he just flat refused. Were Barr and Holder’s also withdrawn?",
">\n\nI saw the headline and thought the committee dropped a subpoena the way you drop an album. Then I read the article and saw that they dropped it like you drop an extra filler track from an album.",
">\n\nIt would have been a waste of time anyway. \n\"Mr. Trump, did you tell your supporters that the election was stolen and send your supporters to violently break into the capitol building to stop Joe Biden from becoming president\"? - January 6th Committee \n\"The fifth\"! - Trump\nDOJ do your job to save this nation from tyranny and further destruction!🙏",
">\n\nSurprised pikachu face",
">\n\nBut these are the same people that wanted peaceful blm protestors bathed in their own blood? What point do we all take this into our own hands",
">\n\nOh, wow. This is really bad for you, US. Like ultra super deluxe so very not good.",
">\n\nLmao…\n“ThE WaLLs arE cLoSIng in”",
">\n\nwell duh...\npolitics from the beginning",
">\n\nWhat an absolute joke.",
">\n\nInb4 trump takes this decision and expresses it as: “completely exonerated!!!”",
">\n\nThey don’t need his testimony. As if he would ever go anywhere close to a government building after the committee’s final report. Just let him relax to make it easier to arrest him",
">\n\nfucking why?",
">\n\nIsn’t the rule that if you don’t comply with a congressional subpoena you can be held in contempt and fined or jailed? Can the House sergeant-at-arms arrest the person?",
">\n\nWow, naw fuck this.",
">\n\nHe wouldn't show up anyways...🐣",
">\n\nTFG is so slippery, Teflon wouldn't stick",
">\n\nNothing will truly come to fruition until we go out into the streets and force this issue ourselves.",
">\n\nWhat’s the point of that?",
">\n\nTold you.",
">\n\nSad, and utterly predictable.\nZero accountability is the death of liberty. Actual freedom means lawlessness, rather than being a nation of laws. \nThe GOP has now proved that no law matters, and that, like Russia, we are a nation governed by the biggest criminal.",
">\n\nHe should be forced to comply, then you can say you are done",
">\n\nAn absolute travesty of justice. I would've said keep the subpoena open forever. If there's some way for the subpoena's issuing body to dissolve without legally dropping the subpoena, thus leaving it in a permanent state of legal limbo, I would have advocated for that, so that the GOP could never whitewash the fact that he defied a lawfully issued subpoena.\nOtherwise, make the GOP drop it themselves; let them be the ones who let him get away with openly flouting a subpoena.",
">\n\nSo that's it???? This ASSHOLE is scott free from prosecution?",
">\n\nWhat a jackass",
">\n\nRepublicans representatives specifically...",
">\n\nIt doesn't matter anymore the witch hunt it over ! HE'S FALLIN IN HIS OWN S**t. Ding dong !",
">\n\nThey don't need him to testify at this point and they, nor anyone believed he would ever testify. They have all the evidence they need to pass on to the DOJ. Trump said he would testify at one point but that was 🐎 💩"
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Tbh, I'm not sure it would be of any value for him to appear. It's not like they don't already have more than enough for DOJ to charge him with criminal acts, which the Committee cannot do, regardless. The real question is what DOJ will do.
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"So far Trump's legal strategy of ignoring calls for accountability until Republicans in Congress can bail him out is workingly flawlessly.",
">\n\nThat doesn’t mean the DoJ can’t charge and prosecute. \nRight now everything is in response to republicans getting their slim majority in the house and lessen the damage they will do.\nThat said, they still have the mountain of evidence they did gather",
">\n\nWhat about when the AG/DOJ is a GOP appointee? You don’t think they’ll just put in a Bill Barr type on the entire thing?",
">\n\nNot while they have a democratic president and especially when the previous president lost them the midterms.\nThey were already planning on replacing trump with Desantes by equating the 2 (Martha’s Vineyard was part of that), they’re only gonna lose trying to put their party’s future on the line protect him further.\nThey gonna continue to spread doubt and try to discredit the investigations, but they’re barely holding onto a branch of government, they’re not stupid. Barr only worked because they held onto 2",
">\n\nUmmm that’s not what I meant. If a GOP candidate for President wins in 2024 , what are the actual legal implications. It’s not like it’s below them to interfere like they did with the collusion charges",
">\n\n\nThe House January 6 committee is withdrawing its subpoena of former President Donald Trump as it concludes its work.\n“In light of the imminent end of our investigation, the Select Committee can no longer pursue the specific information covered by the subpoena,” Chairman Bennie Thompson, a Mississippi Democrat, wrote in a letter to Trump’s attorney Wednesday obtained by CNN.\n“Therefore, through this letter, I hereby formally withdraw the subpoena issued to former President Trump, and notify you that he is no longer obligated to comply or produce records in response to said subpoena,” Thompson added.",
">\n\nConclusion: Former president Trump is above the law.",
">\n\nYeah kind of makes me sad. Trump can just ignore a subpoena, with zero consequences. \n“We believe you tried to overthrow the government. You are legally required to come talk to us about it.”\n“No thanks.”\n“Oh. Ok, never mind.”",
">\n\nNo consequences? He's has been referred to the DOJ for obstruction of a govt processing last week. They held a recorded vote.",
">\n\nThat’s not a consequence. It’s kicking the can. Trump will never, ever be held responsible for his role in destroying democracy in America.",
">\n\nThis is not TV or a movie. \"The wheels of justice grind slowly yet exceedingly fine\" is a saying for a reason. Federal investigations usually take years.",
">\n\nHe’s been investigated for years. No consequences. Just special appointments, investigations, and referrals. In the mean time, you know who DOES face consequences?\nAmerica.",
">\n\nYou are judging the end of the movie before it is over.\nThe previous investigations were being done while he had the shield of the presidency and an attorney general running obstruction for him. None of that is true now.",
">\n\nThe GOP will continue fighting on his behalf, because the majority are complicit in 45’s fuckery. Again, no consequences will be had. I’m willing to wager a gift card to your favorite local restaurant that he will live fat, rich, and free until at least the 2024/25 inauguration. Save this post.",
">\n\nWe'll see about that. I'll admit to the loss if thats the case.",
">\n\nMore proof that we the people have no rights in comparison to the billionaire ticks.",
">\n\nDude ain't no billionaire",
">\n\nNo, but his buddies are.",
">\n\nHis puppet masters maybe",
">\n\nI mean, who would have thought not starting the fight sooner would end like this?",
">\n\nDon’t worry. He’s got so many more coming.",
">\n\nThe idea that Trump will pay any price for his crimes is a fantasy.",
">\n\nIt’s actually happening. His company has been found guilty. His charity is closed. His cohorts are about to go to jail. His popularity sagging. Protection is gone. We just need the first indictment.",
">\n\nBut none is him",
">\n\nWell Trump Org is pretty much him but be patient.",
">\n\nDrops in the bucket. \nBeen patient for like 6 years now. How much more we gotta wait?",
">\n\nHe couldn’t be prosecuted while president. Watch GA and the special prosecutor. They’re moving fast.",
">\n\nCouldn't be?\nShould have been.",
">\n\nThat’s absolutely wild that any man is able to just straight up ignore a subpoena with zero consequences. Definition of “above the law”. If he gets away with this, he is going to be more dangerous than ever. You get away with leading a coup/insurrection, you’re going to assume you can get away with literally anything. \nMaybe trump was right… he really could shoot someone in the middle of 5th avenue and not lose any voters…and also probably not even get in trouble",
">\n\nSerious questions...so the committee pull the subpoena, but it's up to DOJ for any additional follow up, but when the new congress is in session they can tell DOJ to drop everything? Is that how's its going to go down? Because I thought DOJ is supposed to be independent once given the committee's findings?",
">\n\nThe DOJ is certainly independent of Congress. As for the committee - the only thing they would've done differently was vote on a criminal referral for contempt of Congress. Although there is some truth to congressional contempt needing to stem from congress, The DOJ has no obligation to act on a referral - it is more akin to a recommendation.\nWith that being said, the committee knew it wasn't going to serve any real benefit, so they decided not to.\n\nThe DOJ decided not to prosecute Meadows and Scavino for contempt due to their close ties to the executive. This pretty much ruled out any chance of it happening to Trump, a former President. \nEven a completely successful referral (Steve Bannon) showed how inconsequential Congressional subpoena power is. For one, it is a misdemeanor. It has been ~15 months since Bannon was referred, and he was found guilty and sentenced, and he is still a free man pending appeal. And even if upheld, it's only 4 months in prison as just shy of maximum sentencing guidelines. \nThe DOJ, if they prosecute, are aiming at much bigger crimes - notably Obstruction of an Official Proceeding, which carries up to 20 years. And they'd be potentially trying these crimes in the same jurisdiction.\n\nSo I'm sure the calculation was that it just wasn't worth throwing a referral at the DOJ for something they'd never follow up on, and wouldn't be much benefit if they did.",
">\n\nIn summary, he’s committed so many crimes that this one isn’t worth any effort",
">\n\nEssentially, yeah. The DOJ has two big chances to secure a conviction: Mar-A-Lago and Jan. 6 - and they will likely bring multiple charges in a D.C. court if they decide to prosecute. Mar-A-Lago will come first, which has virtually nothing to do with this committee's work.\nReferring a misdemeanor to tack onto 4 serious felonies they referred probably only risked muddying the larger offenses. Can't blame them honestly.",
">\n\nWhat is “Mar a Lago” in this context! The tax scheme? Classified documents?",
">\n\nThe classified documents",
">\n\nSmall point but they weren't all classified and don't need to be, for what he did to be illegal. Just trying to avoid republican framing.",
">\n\nHillary was not afraid to testify every time she was asked (and testified for hours and hours each time, answering all questions asked) and never took the 5th. Yet republicans act like she is the criminal when it always has been trump.",
">\n\nEven if she was wrong she was smarter than any of the R in the room. That woman was a machine during those hearings and gave them nothing to work with.",
">\n\nShe is definitely smarter than that barrel of monkeys who questioned her, but ultimately, there was nothing to get from her - the perfect opposite case of crimey benedict donald and his co-conspirators.",
">\n\nIt's interesting to see that people think this subpoena would have continued to exist past Jan 3, 2023 given that that's when ALL open subpoenas from the outgoing congress expire and become null and void. Even if the J6 committee continued to exist- they would be required to file a brand new one in the new session.",
">\n\nIt wouldn't be that hard to file a brand new subpoena, they have lawyers who work full-time for them. That isn't an obstacle.",
">\n\nExcept for the committee doesn't exist in the new Congress and they have no powers to do anything if they don't exist.",
">\n\nIt's easy to get the two confused a lot of times.",
">\n\nHow many of y'all actually thought he wasn't going to run out the clock? \nNothing will fundamentally change.",
">\n\nNobody. The “justice takes time” chorus that dominated the narrative was only here to quell social unrest so society didn’t take a dive while the rich mocked us from their golden pedestals.",
">\n\nSerious question: Why? So what if the Dems lose power in the Congress. Let the Republicans be the one to formally dismantle the committee and subpoena on record. Then when hopefully Trump is charged by the DOJ, dems have another talking point for 2024 that the Republicans hate law and order and protect mob bosses.",
">\n\nThe select committee expires at the end of the congressional session. So they do not need to question him because the committee will not exist.",
">\n\nBut what is the point of formally withdrawing the subpoena? What does it accomplish?",
">\n\nThe committee is over. They have issued the report, they are closing up shop. They are following the process. A secondary part of the committees job was to show how a REAL congressional hearing should be handled. None of that sloppy ass grandstanding they did for Benghazi",
">\n\nMy viewpoint is that Trump and the GOP are just going to use this as “proof” that he did nothing wrong. Remember how the Mueller report “exonerated” Trump? His base believes this shit wholeheartedly and I guarantee he will use this as “evidence” for his innocence.\nShowing how things SHOULD be handled instead of taking whatever measures needed to protect Americans lead to Jan 6th happening in the first place. We all know how things should be handled, how the rules should work, but one side is willing to do whatever they need to keep power and the other is getting walked over.\nIs taking the high road worth letting fascism into our government?",
">\n\nIt’s good to know that republicans are allowed to ignore subpoenas. That’s useful info for them. Don’t expect dems to get that treatment",
">\n\nThey dropped the ball in not issuing one a couple of months ago",
">\n\nActually the Democrats have done everything not to ever pick up the ball even once. They let trump appointed republicans appoint a republican special counsel to fall like a straw man to blatant obstruction in the Russia probe. They turned it into a fundraiser for campaigning. \nThis time they let liz Cheney take the reins, who was able to preserve her republican prerogatives throughout this entire ordeal. \nThe fact is that you're all being cucked by forces of controlled opposition and I'm apparently the only one in the world who can't be so easily mitigated.\nI can't depend on any of you anymore than you can depend on yourselves.",
">\n\nYou lost all credibility at the end when you said cuck and act like you’re the smartest person in the world. Be gone!",
">\n\nYeah, I don't know how anyone can be expected to be taken seriously using that whole sentence unironically.",
">\n\nI don't expect to be taken seriously whether I say it or not, yet the facts remain as I've described.",
">\n\nI didn’t see that coming, said absolutely no one.",
">\n\nWhy.",
">\n\nHUGE mistake. The committee will be dissolved by the GOPers in a couple weeks, and all this did was to give the Marmalade Moses another fake victory to rile up his lemmings.",
">\n\nIt’s funny because I say the same thing every time about trump never getting charged and I always get shit about it like BUT NO THIS TIME IS DIFFERENT. \nLmao right. Sure it is.",
">\n\nFucking same. This is just more “ammo” for his orange, shit spewing mouth.",
">\n\nThis guy is still getting more media coverage than the current potus two years into his term. Crazy.",
">\n\nIt does blow that he wasn't forced to comply with the subpoena but for people thinking what a bummer this seems like, the house is switching to a republican majority in like a week so it didn't make a whole lot of sense to leave an active subpoena on record knowing it would never be resolved. They likely knew he wasn't going to comply when it was issued only now its offical that it was officially issued, ignored by trump, and terminated. Who knows if the DOJ will eventually file but everyone pretty much already knew that little temper tantrum trump wasn't going to aid in his own house sedition investigation.",
">\n\nIf we restrict ourselves to the issue of compliance with a subpoena from this committee, then the recent election clearly mooted every aspect of penalties or consequences related to ignoring the subpoena.\nIt's like a big brother was called over and little bro wanted him to force his adversary to bow and kiss the ground. But by the time big bro finally wanders over, the kid goes \"nah... we're good.\"\nA lot of folk like to believe contempt of court or contempt of congress is like any other crime where you do the deed and have to face the punishment. But, in general, these things do not work like crimes. Even where contempt has been codified such that there is a criminal contempt aspect, the goal remains to seek or to force compliance. This leads to \"punishments\" which are better or worse depending on how you view things. A simple view is that you could be \"sentenced\" to indefinite incarceration because it's a \"jailed until compliance\" thing.\nIn this case, Congress has been very, very reticent to try to use their inherent power to jail someone. So the most they ever do these days is refer the case to the DoJ to pursue criminal contempt of congress.\nAll in all, is this a \"good\" thing? Maybe it's not as bad as we feel it to be. Imagine any sort of argument where someone demands you do something. You retort \"are you sure?\" Bystanders urge folk cool down and think about it. Map that into the way Congress changes every two years and you get a sense that unless something is important enough that it remains after the public alters the composition of the legislative branch, maybe it's not all that important (to the public) after all.\nOn the other hand, why would anyone fear Congress when they demonstrate time and again there never really are any consequences for refusal to comply with subpoenas? But... do we want to quake in fear whenever some nutjob party gains control and enacts something as dire as the Committee on Unamerican Activities?",
">\n\nWhat is the advantage of dropping the subpoena, as opposed to just letting it expire/letting the new congress withdraw it? Why go on record saying he no longer has to come in? I get that he was never going to show, I’m just curious why this is better than the alternative.",
">\n\nI’m wondering this too. There has to be a good reason.",
">\n\n?? Why, like it had no power, but still why? This looks like weakness",
">\n\nThe subpoena expires when the new congress is sworn in on Jan 3rd. There was no practical way to enforce it.",
">\n\nWhy not just let it expire?\nNow Republicans have a talking point that the January 6th Committee withdrew their subpoena.\nThey'll use it to muddy the waters and spread more misinformation.",
">\n\nThey already had their talking points. They've had them the whole time. They already released a \"counter report\" to the J6 committee. The committee withdrew it because they are closing up shop. The report is out. Where would Donnie's answers go?",
">\n\nWhy was he not charged with contempt for no show? Once again, he gets let off for bad behaviour",
">\n\nBecause they referred him for 4 much more serious crimes with longer sentences. Referring him for this is essentially pointless.",
">\n\nYes, but i see it as another nail in the coffin, and also sends a message that subpoenas are not to be ignored",
">\n\nImagine if you or I tried to just ignore a subpoena.",
">\n\nIt’s OK if you’re a Republican, as the war criminal’s daughter who voted in line with Trump’s policies during her House tenure can attest.",
">\n\nAnother instance of unequal justice under the law, imo. If you or I disregarded a subpoena from Congress we'd be going to jail...like Steve Bannon.",
">\n\nDrag it out, do nothing, repeat. Glad the J6 group produced a ton of info and exposed a lot of the bs but what's the point of nothing really happens? Media circus? I'm so tired.",
">\n\nGreat precedent. It's good to know if I'm ever subpoenaed by congress I can just ignore it.",
">\n\nJ6 knew he'd puss out and just wanted to get it on the record. And for the same reason they haven't gone after Meadows for ignoring his subpoena, are all of the other serious crimes hanging over him and the orange Traitor in Chief, especially now, the subpoenas aren't worth the time and effort.",
">\n\n\nAnd for the same reason they haven't gone after Meadows for ignoring his subpoena\n\nTo be fair... the House voted him in criminal contempt and sent the referral to that to the DoJ. There wasn't really anything they could do beyond that with respect to his subpoena (yes, inherent contempt in theory exists, in practice it would have been useless for multiple reasons).\nMeadows is also included in the big criminal referrals the committee issued as part of their report as well.",
">\n\nAs usual, this country’s justice system is a joke",
">\n\nThis was a subpoena issued by the congress, not DOJ. He would be arrested if this was subpoena by DOJ and he didn’t show.",
">\n\nLike I said lol this country’s justice system is a joke",
">\n\nBut the justice system has not been involved yet!!! Congressional hearing is not an example of the justice system. The congress has referred the case to the DOJ or “the justice system” as a result of their hearing. DOJ will pursue a criminal investigation and pursue charges. \nJudiciary (justice system as you call it), congress, and executive branches are constitutionally separate and independent to ensure checks and balances.\nJustice system in the US is not ideal, but this specific instance is not an example of these inefficiencies. This is an example of how the congress has been ineffective in doing their legislative actions. In this instance the correct statement would be “Legislative system in this country is a joke.” Justice system has not had a chance to show its incompetence yet. That will be next.",
">\n\nNaive of you to think this is anything more than a show they’re putting on. Nothing will come of it, democrats are by nature pussies let’s be real. None have any teeth or claws. The right is full of a bunch of tribalistic monkeys, party is apparently more important than country. I guess I can rephrase, besides making money and being the best business in the world, America is a joke.",
">\n\n\"OMG. I'm so outraged by this even though I have no idea why.\"\nIt'd be nice if you guys learned the difference between the subpoena and the criminal referral. trump was never going to show up for the subpoena especially since the GOP is about to take control. It's a completely moot point.",
">\n\nExactly. The committee already referred him to the DoJ on criminal charges. Everyone is acting like they're just taking their ball and going home. They already went well and beyond a mere subpoena here, and one of the charges that they're recommending is obstruction already.",
">\n\nAren’t subpoenas mandatory with consequences? Either you show up or go to jail. Trump did neither.",
">\n\nNot if you are rich. Laws are you only for the the lower 90%",
">\n\nThis is such bullshit.",
">\n\nAnother precedent set for rich criminals to not comply. If we citizens didn’t show we’d be at a black site with electrodes on our genitals.",
">\n\nThey should have charged Trump with contempt of Congress.",
">\n\nSo whens the next uprising on behalf of rich people? Just be sure you're actually a political player because if you're just a worker you'll be charged. Chess has really changed over the past hundred years.",
">\n\nTotally expected. \nTrump, the really TV star, said he'd only agree to answer the subpoena if it were live & televised. It's quite obvious the reason is that he'd ignore the questioning & use the free air time to spew his BS, much like in the Presidential debates. \nAnd I'm sure the incoming Republican House would have loved to have given him the opportunity",
">\n\nyeah kinda moot at this point , they already made those criminal referrals anyways lol i wish they would have perused charging him for not showing up however but maybe they figured in light of everything they should focus on the key issues and at this point whatever he had to say really doesnt matter anyways as he would just lie. his testimony would pretty much be useless. its still a shame we didnt get to see it just for historys sake lol",
">\n\nAl trump would do is take the 5th like any other ordinary criminal",
">\n\nSo far as things have gone, will it now be ok for Democrats to ignore all the subpoenas that this next R House is going to send around? I’d think so….",
">\n\nOur government has failed us.... Good luck everyone.",
">\n\nAh yes the criminal Justice system, quite possibly the longest running joke in America",
">\n\n& you just know the cheeto will say something like, ha!, they dropped the subpoena cause they knew I am innocent, or some 💩 like that",
">\n\nNo surprise there. Trump is above the law, as he has proven time and again, over and over throughout the last several years. \nI will be surprised if anything comes out of this investigation, at all. \nI will be surprised if the next republican president isn't worse than Trump. \nI mean seriously, how do they convict him of anything if they can't even call him for questioning. Ever heard of anyone, ever, to get convicted of a crime that didn't have to talk to investigators at some point? \nFuck America. Fuck Trump. And fuck the pussy ass people who refuse to do their fucking job.",
">\n\nThey dropped it because it wasn't necessary and would have given him a national platform needlessly. DOJ will pass to the special council which will bring formal charges, if any will be brought.",
">\n\nThis is actually heartbreaking. Seen a lot of politicians and people of note show time and time again that the rules for EVERY CITIZEN don’t apply to them and this stings just a little more",
">\n\nMy theory that he is blackmailing everyone from the White House down with Area 51 malarky is still holding water...",
">\n\nLet us all start committing crimes and see how that goes, this is bs",
">\n\nSuch bs. I knew he would sleeze his way out of any consequences for his actions. This will only embolden him & his lunatic followers. He incites a riot that kills people & gets away with it. If any of us incited a riot, we would still be in jail & if people died during the riot, we would be charged with murder as well. So sick & tired of the double standard when it comes to a president who breaks the law & walks away, just like nixon did.",
">\n\nshould not have dropped\nshould have referred it to doj for contempt of congress...\nwhite rich continue to get a pass for what the rest of us would have long ago been prosecuted and imprisoned...",
">\n\nThey already referred him to DOJ for obstruction of a govt proceeding last week. What are you talking about?",
">\n\nYeah, because why would you want to subpoena the guy who was completely responsible for the entire thing?\nThe Chuck Schumer neoliberals have engineered this to completely let Trump get away with it - because they think the Republicans are still their friends and they don't want to piss them off!",
">\n\nThey subpoenaed trump months ago. He declined to show. Since, investigation is over, they dropped it. This is not even really news worthy.",
">\n\nHalf the people in this thread have no idea what they're talking about and are confusing the subpoena with the criminal referral.",
">\n\nOh, is that what's going on? Lol. I was wondering why ppl are making a big deal about this. This is just the committee cleaning up loose ends.",
">\n\nIt's a big deal if someone who's now a private citizen, can do wtf he wants and ignore a Congressional subpoena.",
">\n\nIt takes votes by congress to hold in contempt. They didn't need trump's testimony. He would just show up and repeat I plead the 5th anyway. Pence ignored his, too. It's pointless to hold them in contempt and get off focus of actual investigation.",
">\n\nYou're proving my point. Congressional Democrats should have enforced the subpoena and made Trump plead the 5th to every question. Imagine if Pence also appeared and pled the 5th to every question. That is political magic for the Democrats, it makes them look guilty as hell.\nTrump committed a crime, and this is America. It should be the same as if I committed a crime. We would get arrested, taken to jail until the morning, see a judge and face our charges, and then either get released on OR, held for trial, or bail set. It's not much of a democracy if laws are not enforced against powerful people.",
">\n\nOnce you all realize this is just a game and you’re the pawn things will make a lot more sense.",
">\n\nNow hear him cry about never getting a chance to testify when he’s charged.",
">\n\nI see this less as a “you’re excused” and more of a “see you in court”",
">\n\nNo need to bother with it when they've already finished their work. The only thing that testimony would have accomplished would have been getting Trump to look bad on national television, and a potential perjury charge. Trump already has embarrassed himself in public in a massive way since then, and they have bigger crimes to recommend to the DOJ for prosecution.",
">\n\nThe moment they announced the subpoena everyone got a hard on that trump would have to talk. I said it then and I’ll say it again, trump will never have to face any punishment and he doesn’t have to comply to any law or rules. They’re all more suggestions instead of laws.",
">\n\nWhat a waste of fucking time",
">\n\nSo......this was a big fat waste of time and money?",
">\n\nI mean they made a criminal referral so, no? The committee wasn’t set up to solely investigate Dolt 45 and took the testimony of over a thousand people, why is it you believe withdrawing one subpoena because the committee is winding down renders the entire process a “waste of time and money.”",
">\n\nNo mention on CNN that they dropped the subpoena after a year of January 6 January 6 January 6 terrible news station",
">\n\nWell, it’s being run by a Republican so go figure",
">\n\nTalk about the wheels of justice turning slow. In this case reversing altogether. Well done.",
">\n\nI wish this surprised me.",
">\n\nLOL God this is so funny\nWhat the fuck did y'all expect if you have money you are above the law. It only applies to the poor and those who step on the toes of capital.",
">\n\nWhat a waste of money",
">\n\n...And a Happy New Year!",
">\n\nClassic",
">\n\nShocking",
">\n\nOur governing body are a bunch of cowards. The US is being safeguarded by self-interested Congresspersons who speak about accountability and act on cowardice.",
">\n\nLet's be honest he'll get away with everything with a slap on the wrist. This country won't prosecute a sitting or former president or high ranking politician, we've seen this over and over. The whole committee is sadly a publicity stunt to gain traction for Democrat's. I hope I'm completely wrong of course and that this country will start to feel like it's a democracy.",
">\n\nThe coup is in effect.",
">\n\nI have a sad feeling this committee is going to end up like a fart in the wind",
">\n\nYou’re not wrong",
">\n\nWtf are you talking about?",
">\n\nHands",
">\n\nWho are you talking to? Lmao",
">\n\nWent out with a whimper. The most Democrat thing ever.\nWish the Dems would learn how to take the gloves off, at least they would have a shot against an opponent that has no problems filling their gloves with lead shot. Then bragging about it.",
">\n\nThe subpoena, and associated contempt charges would be nothing when compared to the recommendations made by the committee to the DOJ. Whether or not the DOJ will act is all that matters at this point.",
">\n\nPathetic pieces of shit",
">\n\nAll theatre, all the time. Seems like by now, to most people, that somehow being trolled by their favorite elected might be possible.",
">\n\nSo wait, he just gets away with everything? Just like that?\nWhat about all the articles saying that Trump will most likely spend the rest of his life in prison?",
">\n\nThe subpoena has nothing to do with the recommendations made by the committee to the DOJ. The ball is in the DOJ’s court. The subpoena doesn’t impact anything. Absurd that he didn’t get held in contempt, but that is more of a distraction than anything.",
">\n\nI see. Thanks for explaining!",
">\n\nCan anyone explain why he was not arrested for not responding to the subpoena? I thought you had to respond to these?",
">\n\nFirst they would have had to vote for contempt. Then they would need to issue a referral to DOJ, then DOJ would need to consider it. That is not happening in a week before the new congress is sworn in an this committee expires. They have issued their report and no longer need to speak to him. That is why it was withdrawn. Their job is done.",
">\n\nSubpoenas are real, or they’re not.\nIn the real world if any person defied or ignored a subpoena they would be arrested immediately.\nWhy are some Americans allowed to break the law in broad daylight.",
">\n\nWhy is the DOJ dragging its feet in charging anyone?",
">\n\nDOJ has charged over 700 people out of January 6 and they continue to charge cases. Most of these cases took months if not years to come to fruition.\nAt the end of the day DOJ has no obligation to act on any of the committee’s referrals, although I believe they already have ongoing investigations as to several of the subjects. If anything new comes out of the committee’s work it’s unlikely to happen soon.",
">\n\nThe US is beyond broken. The wealthy can do whatever they want while we are the only ones who face consequences. I can’t wait to leave this shithole again. I won’t be making the mistake of coming back like I did last year.",
">\n\nSuch a farce",
">\n\nBut he wanted to appear!!",
">\n\nThe walls are closing in.",
">\n\nOk, people. Quit guilt-edging and go home.",
">\n\nWait so what is Trump a dastardly super villain who keeps getting away or a dumb oaf. You guys just can't decide.",
">\n\nI can’t wait until nothing happens!\nHas it happened yet?",
">\n\n“All animals are equal but some animals are more equal than others.” \nHey, do you think Reddit will ever reach a state of Nirvana where it will stop claiming “Trump is really sweating now!”?",
">\n\nDoes this not set some sort of precedence? If I now get subpoenaed for something can I not just point to Trump/Barr/Holder and say “no thank you”?",
">\n\nWithdrawing a subpoena sets no precedent and is not at all uncommon.",
">\n\nThe subpoena was issued quite some time ago wasn’t it? And he just flat refused. Were Barr and Holder’s also withdrawn?",
">\n\nI saw the headline and thought the committee dropped a subpoena the way you drop an album. Then I read the article and saw that they dropped it like you drop an extra filler track from an album.",
">\n\nIt would have been a waste of time anyway. \n\"Mr. Trump, did you tell your supporters that the election was stolen and send your supporters to violently break into the capitol building to stop Joe Biden from becoming president\"? - January 6th Committee \n\"The fifth\"! - Trump\nDOJ do your job to save this nation from tyranny and further destruction!🙏",
">\n\nSurprised pikachu face",
">\n\nBut these are the same people that wanted peaceful blm protestors bathed in their own blood? What point do we all take this into our own hands",
">\n\nOh, wow. This is really bad for you, US. Like ultra super deluxe so very not good.",
">\n\nLmao…\n“ThE WaLLs arE cLoSIng in”",
">\n\nwell duh...\npolitics from the beginning",
">\n\nWhat an absolute joke.",
">\n\nInb4 trump takes this decision and expresses it as: “completely exonerated!!!”",
">\n\nThey don’t need his testimony. As if he would ever go anywhere close to a government building after the committee’s final report. Just let him relax to make it easier to arrest him",
">\n\nfucking why?",
">\n\nIsn’t the rule that if you don’t comply with a congressional subpoena you can be held in contempt and fined or jailed? Can the House sergeant-at-arms arrest the person?",
">\n\nWow, naw fuck this.",
">\n\nHe wouldn't show up anyways...🐣",
">\n\nTFG is so slippery, Teflon wouldn't stick",
">\n\nNothing will truly come to fruition until we go out into the streets and force this issue ourselves.",
">\n\nWhat’s the point of that?",
">\n\nTold you.",
">\n\nSad, and utterly predictable.\nZero accountability is the death of liberty. Actual freedom means lawlessness, rather than being a nation of laws. \nThe GOP has now proved that no law matters, and that, like Russia, we are a nation governed by the biggest criminal.",
">\n\nHe should be forced to comply, then you can say you are done",
">\n\nAn absolute travesty of justice. I would've said keep the subpoena open forever. If there's some way for the subpoena's issuing body to dissolve without legally dropping the subpoena, thus leaving it in a permanent state of legal limbo, I would have advocated for that, so that the GOP could never whitewash the fact that he defied a lawfully issued subpoena.\nOtherwise, make the GOP drop it themselves; let them be the ones who let him get away with openly flouting a subpoena.",
">\n\nSo that's it???? This ASSHOLE is scott free from prosecution?",
">\n\nWhat a jackass",
">\n\nRepublicans representatives specifically...",
">\n\nIt doesn't matter anymore the witch hunt it over ! HE'S FALLIN IN HIS OWN S**t. Ding dong !",
">\n\nThey don't need him to testify at this point and they, nor anyone believed he would ever testify. They have all the evidence they need to pass on to the DOJ. Trump said he would testify at one point but that was 🐎 💩",
">\n\nNice cope posts!"
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"So far Trump's legal strategy of ignoring calls for accountability until Republicans in Congress can bail him out is workingly flawlessly.",
">\n\nThat doesn’t mean the DoJ can’t charge and prosecute. \nRight now everything is in response to republicans getting their slim majority in the house and lessen the damage they will do.\nThat said, they still have the mountain of evidence they did gather",
">\n\nWhat about when the AG/DOJ is a GOP appointee? You don’t think they’ll just put in a Bill Barr type on the entire thing?",
">\n\nNot while they have a democratic president and especially when the previous president lost them the midterms.\nThey were already planning on replacing trump with Desantes by equating the 2 (Martha’s Vineyard was part of that), they’re only gonna lose trying to put their party’s future on the line protect him further.\nThey gonna continue to spread doubt and try to discredit the investigations, but they’re barely holding onto a branch of government, they’re not stupid. Barr only worked because they held onto 2",
">\n\nUmmm that’s not what I meant. If a GOP candidate for President wins in 2024 , what are the actual legal implications. It’s not like it’s below them to interfere like they did with the collusion charges",
">\n\n\nThe House January 6 committee is withdrawing its subpoena of former President Donald Trump as it concludes its work.\n“In light of the imminent end of our investigation, the Select Committee can no longer pursue the specific information covered by the subpoena,” Chairman Bennie Thompson, a Mississippi Democrat, wrote in a letter to Trump’s attorney Wednesday obtained by CNN.\n“Therefore, through this letter, I hereby formally withdraw the subpoena issued to former President Trump, and notify you that he is no longer obligated to comply or produce records in response to said subpoena,” Thompson added.",
">\n\nConclusion: Former president Trump is above the law.",
">\n\nYeah kind of makes me sad. Trump can just ignore a subpoena, with zero consequences. \n“We believe you tried to overthrow the government. You are legally required to come talk to us about it.”\n“No thanks.”\n“Oh. Ok, never mind.”",
">\n\nNo consequences? He's has been referred to the DOJ for obstruction of a govt processing last week. They held a recorded vote.",
">\n\nThat’s not a consequence. It’s kicking the can. Trump will never, ever be held responsible for his role in destroying democracy in America.",
">\n\nThis is not TV or a movie. \"The wheels of justice grind slowly yet exceedingly fine\" is a saying for a reason. Federal investigations usually take years.",
">\n\nHe’s been investigated for years. No consequences. Just special appointments, investigations, and referrals. In the mean time, you know who DOES face consequences?\nAmerica.",
">\n\nYou are judging the end of the movie before it is over.\nThe previous investigations were being done while he had the shield of the presidency and an attorney general running obstruction for him. None of that is true now.",
">\n\nThe GOP will continue fighting on his behalf, because the majority are complicit in 45’s fuckery. Again, no consequences will be had. I’m willing to wager a gift card to your favorite local restaurant that he will live fat, rich, and free until at least the 2024/25 inauguration. Save this post.",
">\n\nWe'll see about that. I'll admit to the loss if thats the case.",
">\n\nMore proof that we the people have no rights in comparison to the billionaire ticks.",
">\n\nDude ain't no billionaire",
">\n\nNo, but his buddies are.",
">\n\nHis puppet masters maybe",
">\n\nI mean, who would have thought not starting the fight sooner would end like this?",
">\n\nDon’t worry. He’s got so many more coming.",
">\n\nThe idea that Trump will pay any price for his crimes is a fantasy.",
">\n\nIt’s actually happening. His company has been found guilty. His charity is closed. His cohorts are about to go to jail. His popularity sagging. Protection is gone. We just need the first indictment.",
">\n\nBut none is him",
">\n\nWell Trump Org is pretty much him but be patient.",
">\n\nDrops in the bucket. \nBeen patient for like 6 years now. How much more we gotta wait?",
">\n\nHe couldn’t be prosecuted while president. Watch GA and the special prosecutor. They’re moving fast.",
">\n\nCouldn't be?\nShould have been.",
">\n\nThat’s absolutely wild that any man is able to just straight up ignore a subpoena with zero consequences. Definition of “above the law”. If he gets away with this, he is going to be more dangerous than ever. You get away with leading a coup/insurrection, you’re going to assume you can get away with literally anything. \nMaybe trump was right… he really could shoot someone in the middle of 5th avenue and not lose any voters…and also probably not even get in trouble",
">\n\nSerious questions...so the committee pull the subpoena, but it's up to DOJ for any additional follow up, but when the new congress is in session they can tell DOJ to drop everything? Is that how's its going to go down? Because I thought DOJ is supposed to be independent once given the committee's findings?",
">\n\nThe DOJ is certainly independent of Congress. As for the committee - the only thing they would've done differently was vote on a criminal referral for contempt of Congress. Although there is some truth to congressional contempt needing to stem from congress, The DOJ has no obligation to act on a referral - it is more akin to a recommendation.\nWith that being said, the committee knew it wasn't going to serve any real benefit, so they decided not to.\n\nThe DOJ decided not to prosecute Meadows and Scavino for contempt due to their close ties to the executive. This pretty much ruled out any chance of it happening to Trump, a former President. \nEven a completely successful referral (Steve Bannon) showed how inconsequential Congressional subpoena power is. For one, it is a misdemeanor. It has been ~15 months since Bannon was referred, and he was found guilty and sentenced, and he is still a free man pending appeal. And even if upheld, it's only 4 months in prison as just shy of maximum sentencing guidelines. \nThe DOJ, if they prosecute, are aiming at much bigger crimes - notably Obstruction of an Official Proceeding, which carries up to 20 years. And they'd be potentially trying these crimes in the same jurisdiction.\n\nSo I'm sure the calculation was that it just wasn't worth throwing a referral at the DOJ for something they'd never follow up on, and wouldn't be much benefit if they did.",
">\n\nIn summary, he’s committed so many crimes that this one isn’t worth any effort",
">\n\nEssentially, yeah. The DOJ has two big chances to secure a conviction: Mar-A-Lago and Jan. 6 - and they will likely bring multiple charges in a D.C. court if they decide to prosecute. Mar-A-Lago will come first, which has virtually nothing to do with this committee's work.\nReferring a misdemeanor to tack onto 4 serious felonies they referred probably only risked muddying the larger offenses. Can't blame them honestly.",
">\n\nWhat is “Mar a Lago” in this context! The tax scheme? Classified documents?",
">\n\nThe classified documents",
">\n\nSmall point but they weren't all classified and don't need to be, for what he did to be illegal. Just trying to avoid republican framing.",
">\n\nHillary was not afraid to testify every time she was asked (and testified for hours and hours each time, answering all questions asked) and never took the 5th. Yet republicans act like she is the criminal when it always has been trump.",
">\n\nEven if she was wrong she was smarter than any of the R in the room. That woman was a machine during those hearings and gave them nothing to work with.",
">\n\nShe is definitely smarter than that barrel of monkeys who questioned her, but ultimately, there was nothing to get from her - the perfect opposite case of crimey benedict donald and his co-conspirators.",
">\n\nIt's interesting to see that people think this subpoena would have continued to exist past Jan 3, 2023 given that that's when ALL open subpoenas from the outgoing congress expire and become null and void. Even if the J6 committee continued to exist- they would be required to file a brand new one in the new session.",
">\n\nIt wouldn't be that hard to file a brand new subpoena, they have lawyers who work full-time for them. That isn't an obstacle.",
">\n\nExcept for the committee doesn't exist in the new Congress and they have no powers to do anything if they don't exist.",
">\n\nIt's easy to get the two confused a lot of times.",
">\n\nHow many of y'all actually thought he wasn't going to run out the clock? \nNothing will fundamentally change.",
">\n\nNobody. The “justice takes time” chorus that dominated the narrative was only here to quell social unrest so society didn’t take a dive while the rich mocked us from their golden pedestals.",
">\n\nSerious question: Why? So what if the Dems lose power in the Congress. Let the Republicans be the one to formally dismantle the committee and subpoena on record. Then when hopefully Trump is charged by the DOJ, dems have another talking point for 2024 that the Republicans hate law and order and protect mob bosses.",
">\n\nThe select committee expires at the end of the congressional session. So they do not need to question him because the committee will not exist.",
">\n\nBut what is the point of formally withdrawing the subpoena? What does it accomplish?",
">\n\nThe committee is over. They have issued the report, they are closing up shop. They are following the process. A secondary part of the committees job was to show how a REAL congressional hearing should be handled. None of that sloppy ass grandstanding they did for Benghazi",
">\n\nMy viewpoint is that Trump and the GOP are just going to use this as “proof” that he did nothing wrong. Remember how the Mueller report “exonerated” Trump? His base believes this shit wholeheartedly and I guarantee he will use this as “evidence” for his innocence.\nShowing how things SHOULD be handled instead of taking whatever measures needed to protect Americans lead to Jan 6th happening in the first place. We all know how things should be handled, how the rules should work, but one side is willing to do whatever they need to keep power and the other is getting walked over.\nIs taking the high road worth letting fascism into our government?",
">\n\nIt’s good to know that republicans are allowed to ignore subpoenas. That’s useful info for them. Don’t expect dems to get that treatment",
">\n\nThey dropped the ball in not issuing one a couple of months ago",
">\n\nActually the Democrats have done everything not to ever pick up the ball even once. They let trump appointed republicans appoint a republican special counsel to fall like a straw man to blatant obstruction in the Russia probe. They turned it into a fundraiser for campaigning. \nThis time they let liz Cheney take the reins, who was able to preserve her republican prerogatives throughout this entire ordeal. \nThe fact is that you're all being cucked by forces of controlled opposition and I'm apparently the only one in the world who can't be so easily mitigated.\nI can't depend on any of you anymore than you can depend on yourselves.",
">\n\nYou lost all credibility at the end when you said cuck and act like you’re the smartest person in the world. Be gone!",
">\n\nYeah, I don't know how anyone can be expected to be taken seriously using that whole sentence unironically.",
">\n\nI don't expect to be taken seriously whether I say it or not, yet the facts remain as I've described.",
">\n\nI didn’t see that coming, said absolutely no one.",
">\n\nWhy.",
">\n\nHUGE mistake. The committee will be dissolved by the GOPers in a couple weeks, and all this did was to give the Marmalade Moses another fake victory to rile up his lemmings.",
">\n\nIt’s funny because I say the same thing every time about trump never getting charged and I always get shit about it like BUT NO THIS TIME IS DIFFERENT. \nLmao right. Sure it is.",
">\n\nFucking same. This is just more “ammo” for his orange, shit spewing mouth.",
">\n\nThis guy is still getting more media coverage than the current potus two years into his term. Crazy.",
">\n\nIt does blow that he wasn't forced to comply with the subpoena but for people thinking what a bummer this seems like, the house is switching to a republican majority in like a week so it didn't make a whole lot of sense to leave an active subpoena on record knowing it would never be resolved. They likely knew he wasn't going to comply when it was issued only now its offical that it was officially issued, ignored by trump, and terminated. Who knows if the DOJ will eventually file but everyone pretty much already knew that little temper tantrum trump wasn't going to aid in his own house sedition investigation.",
">\n\nIf we restrict ourselves to the issue of compliance with a subpoena from this committee, then the recent election clearly mooted every aspect of penalties or consequences related to ignoring the subpoena.\nIt's like a big brother was called over and little bro wanted him to force his adversary to bow and kiss the ground. But by the time big bro finally wanders over, the kid goes \"nah... we're good.\"\nA lot of folk like to believe contempt of court or contempt of congress is like any other crime where you do the deed and have to face the punishment. But, in general, these things do not work like crimes. Even where contempt has been codified such that there is a criminal contempt aspect, the goal remains to seek or to force compliance. This leads to \"punishments\" which are better or worse depending on how you view things. A simple view is that you could be \"sentenced\" to indefinite incarceration because it's a \"jailed until compliance\" thing.\nIn this case, Congress has been very, very reticent to try to use their inherent power to jail someone. So the most they ever do these days is refer the case to the DoJ to pursue criminal contempt of congress.\nAll in all, is this a \"good\" thing? Maybe it's not as bad as we feel it to be. Imagine any sort of argument where someone demands you do something. You retort \"are you sure?\" Bystanders urge folk cool down and think about it. Map that into the way Congress changes every two years and you get a sense that unless something is important enough that it remains after the public alters the composition of the legislative branch, maybe it's not all that important (to the public) after all.\nOn the other hand, why would anyone fear Congress when they demonstrate time and again there never really are any consequences for refusal to comply with subpoenas? But... do we want to quake in fear whenever some nutjob party gains control and enacts something as dire as the Committee on Unamerican Activities?",
">\n\nWhat is the advantage of dropping the subpoena, as opposed to just letting it expire/letting the new congress withdraw it? Why go on record saying he no longer has to come in? I get that he was never going to show, I’m just curious why this is better than the alternative.",
">\n\nI’m wondering this too. There has to be a good reason.",
">\n\n?? Why, like it had no power, but still why? This looks like weakness",
">\n\nThe subpoena expires when the new congress is sworn in on Jan 3rd. There was no practical way to enforce it.",
">\n\nWhy not just let it expire?\nNow Republicans have a talking point that the January 6th Committee withdrew their subpoena.\nThey'll use it to muddy the waters and spread more misinformation.",
">\n\nThey already had their talking points. They've had them the whole time. They already released a \"counter report\" to the J6 committee. The committee withdrew it because they are closing up shop. The report is out. Where would Donnie's answers go?",
">\n\nWhy was he not charged with contempt for no show? Once again, he gets let off for bad behaviour",
">\n\nBecause they referred him for 4 much more serious crimes with longer sentences. Referring him for this is essentially pointless.",
">\n\nYes, but i see it as another nail in the coffin, and also sends a message that subpoenas are not to be ignored",
">\n\nImagine if you or I tried to just ignore a subpoena.",
">\n\nIt’s OK if you’re a Republican, as the war criminal’s daughter who voted in line with Trump’s policies during her House tenure can attest.",
">\n\nAnother instance of unequal justice under the law, imo. If you or I disregarded a subpoena from Congress we'd be going to jail...like Steve Bannon.",
">\n\nDrag it out, do nothing, repeat. Glad the J6 group produced a ton of info and exposed a lot of the bs but what's the point of nothing really happens? Media circus? I'm so tired.",
">\n\nGreat precedent. It's good to know if I'm ever subpoenaed by congress I can just ignore it.",
">\n\nJ6 knew he'd puss out and just wanted to get it on the record. And for the same reason they haven't gone after Meadows for ignoring his subpoena, are all of the other serious crimes hanging over him and the orange Traitor in Chief, especially now, the subpoenas aren't worth the time and effort.",
">\n\n\nAnd for the same reason they haven't gone after Meadows for ignoring his subpoena\n\nTo be fair... the House voted him in criminal contempt and sent the referral to that to the DoJ. There wasn't really anything they could do beyond that with respect to his subpoena (yes, inherent contempt in theory exists, in practice it would have been useless for multiple reasons).\nMeadows is also included in the big criminal referrals the committee issued as part of their report as well.",
">\n\nAs usual, this country’s justice system is a joke",
">\n\nThis was a subpoena issued by the congress, not DOJ. He would be arrested if this was subpoena by DOJ and he didn’t show.",
">\n\nLike I said lol this country’s justice system is a joke",
">\n\nBut the justice system has not been involved yet!!! Congressional hearing is not an example of the justice system. The congress has referred the case to the DOJ or “the justice system” as a result of their hearing. DOJ will pursue a criminal investigation and pursue charges. \nJudiciary (justice system as you call it), congress, and executive branches are constitutionally separate and independent to ensure checks and balances.\nJustice system in the US is not ideal, but this specific instance is not an example of these inefficiencies. This is an example of how the congress has been ineffective in doing their legislative actions. In this instance the correct statement would be “Legislative system in this country is a joke.” Justice system has not had a chance to show its incompetence yet. That will be next.",
">\n\nNaive of you to think this is anything more than a show they’re putting on. Nothing will come of it, democrats are by nature pussies let’s be real. None have any teeth or claws. The right is full of a bunch of tribalistic monkeys, party is apparently more important than country. I guess I can rephrase, besides making money and being the best business in the world, America is a joke.",
">\n\n\"OMG. I'm so outraged by this even though I have no idea why.\"\nIt'd be nice if you guys learned the difference between the subpoena and the criminal referral. trump was never going to show up for the subpoena especially since the GOP is about to take control. It's a completely moot point.",
">\n\nExactly. The committee already referred him to the DoJ on criminal charges. Everyone is acting like they're just taking their ball and going home. They already went well and beyond a mere subpoena here, and one of the charges that they're recommending is obstruction already.",
">\n\nAren’t subpoenas mandatory with consequences? Either you show up or go to jail. Trump did neither.",
">\n\nNot if you are rich. Laws are you only for the the lower 90%",
">\n\nThis is such bullshit.",
">\n\nAnother precedent set for rich criminals to not comply. If we citizens didn’t show we’d be at a black site with electrodes on our genitals.",
">\n\nThey should have charged Trump with contempt of Congress.",
">\n\nSo whens the next uprising on behalf of rich people? Just be sure you're actually a political player because if you're just a worker you'll be charged. Chess has really changed over the past hundred years.",
">\n\nTotally expected. \nTrump, the really TV star, said he'd only agree to answer the subpoena if it were live & televised. It's quite obvious the reason is that he'd ignore the questioning & use the free air time to spew his BS, much like in the Presidential debates. \nAnd I'm sure the incoming Republican House would have loved to have given him the opportunity",
">\n\nyeah kinda moot at this point , they already made those criminal referrals anyways lol i wish they would have perused charging him for not showing up however but maybe they figured in light of everything they should focus on the key issues and at this point whatever he had to say really doesnt matter anyways as he would just lie. his testimony would pretty much be useless. its still a shame we didnt get to see it just for historys sake lol",
">\n\nAl trump would do is take the 5th like any other ordinary criminal",
">\n\nSo far as things have gone, will it now be ok for Democrats to ignore all the subpoenas that this next R House is going to send around? I’d think so….",
">\n\nOur government has failed us.... Good luck everyone.",
">\n\nAh yes the criminal Justice system, quite possibly the longest running joke in America",
">\n\n& you just know the cheeto will say something like, ha!, they dropped the subpoena cause they knew I am innocent, or some 💩 like that",
">\n\nNo surprise there. Trump is above the law, as he has proven time and again, over and over throughout the last several years. \nI will be surprised if anything comes out of this investigation, at all. \nI will be surprised if the next republican president isn't worse than Trump. \nI mean seriously, how do they convict him of anything if they can't even call him for questioning. Ever heard of anyone, ever, to get convicted of a crime that didn't have to talk to investigators at some point? \nFuck America. Fuck Trump. And fuck the pussy ass people who refuse to do their fucking job.",
">\n\nThey dropped it because it wasn't necessary and would have given him a national platform needlessly. DOJ will pass to the special council which will bring formal charges, if any will be brought.",
">\n\nThis is actually heartbreaking. Seen a lot of politicians and people of note show time and time again that the rules for EVERY CITIZEN don’t apply to them and this stings just a little more",
">\n\nMy theory that he is blackmailing everyone from the White House down with Area 51 malarky is still holding water...",
">\n\nLet us all start committing crimes and see how that goes, this is bs",
">\n\nSuch bs. I knew he would sleeze his way out of any consequences for his actions. This will only embolden him & his lunatic followers. He incites a riot that kills people & gets away with it. If any of us incited a riot, we would still be in jail & if people died during the riot, we would be charged with murder as well. So sick & tired of the double standard when it comes to a president who breaks the law & walks away, just like nixon did.",
">\n\nshould not have dropped\nshould have referred it to doj for contempt of congress...\nwhite rich continue to get a pass for what the rest of us would have long ago been prosecuted and imprisoned...",
">\n\nThey already referred him to DOJ for obstruction of a govt proceeding last week. What are you talking about?",
">\n\nYeah, because why would you want to subpoena the guy who was completely responsible for the entire thing?\nThe Chuck Schumer neoliberals have engineered this to completely let Trump get away with it - because they think the Republicans are still their friends and they don't want to piss them off!",
">\n\nThey subpoenaed trump months ago. He declined to show. Since, investigation is over, they dropped it. This is not even really news worthy.",
">\n\nHalf the people in this thread have no idea what they're talking about and are confusing the subpoena with the criminal referral.",
">\n\nOh, is that what's going on? Lol. I was wondering why ppl are making a big deal about this. This is just the committee cleaning up loose ends.",
">\n\nIt's a big deal if someone who's now a private citizen, can do wtf he wants and ignore a Congressional subpoena.",
">\n\nIt takes votes by congress to hold in contempt. They didn't need trump's testimony. He would just show up and repeat I plead the 5th anyway. Pence ignored his, too. It's pointless to hold them in contempt and get off focus of actual investigation.",
">\n\nYou're proving my point. Congressional Democrats should have enforced the subpoena and made Trump plead the 5th to every question. Imagine if Pence also appeared and pled the 5th to every question. That is political magic for the Democrats, it makes them look guilty as hell.\nTrump committed a crime, and this is America. It should be the same as if I committed a crime. We would get arrested, taken to jail until the morning, see a judge and face our charges, and then either get released on OR, held for trial, or bail set. It's not much of a democracy if laws are not enforced against powerful people.",
">\n\nOnce you all realize this is just a game and you’re the pawn things will make a lot more sense.",
">\n\nNow hear him cry about never getting a chance to testify when he’s charged.",
">\n\nI see this less as a “you’re excused” and more of a “see you in court”",
">\n\nNo need to bother with it when they've already finished their work. The only thing that testimony would have accomplished would have been getting Trump to look bad on national television, and a potential perjury charge. Trump already has embarrassed himself in public in a massive way since then, and they have bigger crimes to recommend to the DOJ for prosecution.",
">\n\nThe moment they announced the subpoena everyone got a hard on that trump would have to talk. I said it then and I’ll say it again, trump will never have to face any punishment and he doesn’t have to comply to any law or rules. They’re all more suggestions instead of laws.",
">\n\nWhat a waste of fucking time",
">\n\nSo......this was a big fat waste of time and money?",
">\n\nI mean they made a criminal referral so, no? The committee wasn’t set up to solely investigate Dolt 45 and took the testimony of over a thousand people, why is it you believe withdrawing one subpoena because the committee is winding down renders the entire process a “waste of time and money.”",
">\n\nNo mention on CNN that they dropped the subpoena after a year of January 6 January 6 January 6 terrible news station",
">\n\nWell, it’s being run by a Republican so go figure",
">\n\nTalk about the wheels of justice turning slow. In this case reversing altogether. Well done.",
">\n\nI wish this surprised me.",
">\n\nLOL God this is so funny\nWhat the fuck did y'all expect if you have money you are above the law. It only applies to the poor and those who step on the toes of capital.",
">\n\nWhat a waste of money",
">\n\n...And a Happy New Year!",
">\n\nClassic",
">\n\nShocking",
">\n\nOur governing body are a bunch of cowards. The US is being safeguarded by self-interested Congresspersons who speak about accountability and act on cowardice.",
">\n\nLet's be honest he'll get away with everything with a slap on the wrist. This country won't prosecute a sitting or former president or high ranking politician, we've seen this over and over. The whole committee is sadly a publicity stunt to gain traction for Democrat's. I hope I'm completely wrong of course and that this country will start to feel like it's a democracy.",
">\n\nThe coup is in effect.",
">\n\nI have a sad feeling this committee is going to end up like a fart in the wind",
">\n\nYou’re not wrong",
">\n\nWtf are you talking about?",
">\n\nHands",
">\n\nWho are you talking to? Lmao",
">\n\nWent out with a whimper. The most Democrat thing ever.\nWish the Dems would learn how to take the gloves off, at least they would have a shot against an opponent that has no problems filling their gloves with lead shot. Then bragging about it.",
">\n\nThe subpoena, and associated contempt charges would be nothing when compared to the recommendations made by the committee to the DOJ. Whether or not the DOJ will act is all that matters at this point.",
">\n\nPathetic pieces of shit",
">\n\nAll theatre, all the time. Seems like by now, to most people, that somehow being trolled by their favorite elected might be possible.",
">\n\nSo wait, he just gets away with everything? Just like that?\nWhat about all the articles saying that Trump will most likely spend the rest of his life in prison?",
">\n\nThe subpoena has nothing to do with the recommendations made by the committee to the DOJ. The ball is in the DOJ’s court. The subpoena doesn’t impact anything. Absurd that he didn’t get held in contempt, but that is more of a distraction than anything.",
">\n\nI see. Thanks for explaining!",
">\n\nCan anyone explain why he was not arrested for not responding to the subpoena? I thought you had to respond to these?",
">\n\nFirst they would have had to vote for contempt. Then they would need to issue a referral to DOJ, then DOJ would need to consider it. That is not happening in a week before the new congress is sworn in an this committee expires. They have issued their report and no longer need to speak to him. That is why it was withdrawn. Their job is done.",
">\n\nSubpoenas are real, or they’re not.\nIn the real world if any person defied or ignored a subpoena they would be arrested immediately.\nWhy are some Americans allowed to break the law in broad daylight.",
">\n\nWhy is the DOJ dragging its feet in charging anyone?",
">\n\nDOJ has charged over 700 people out of January 6 and they continue to charge cases. Most of these cases took months if not years to come to fruition.\nAt the end of the day DOJ has no obligation to act on any of the committee’s referrals, although I believe they already have ongoing investigations as to several of the subjects. If anything new comes out of the committee’s work it’s unlikely to happen soon.",
">\n\nThe US is beyond broken. The wealthy can do whatever they want while we are the only ones who face consequences. I can’t wait to leave this shithole again. I won’t be making the mistake of coming back like I did last year.",
">\n\nSuch a farce",
">\n\nBut he wanted to appear!!",
">\n\nThe walls are closing in.",
">\n\nOk, people. Quit guilt-edging and go home.",
">\n\nWait so what is Trump a dastardly super villain who keeps getting away or a dumb oaf. You guys just can't decide.",
">\n\nI can’t wait until nothing happens!\nHas it happened yet?",
">\n\n“All animals are equal but some animals are more equal than others.” \nHey, do you think Reddit will ever reach a state of Nirvana where it will stop claiming “Trump is really sweating now!”?",
">\n\nDoes this not set some sort of precedence? If I now get subpoenaed for something can I not just point to Trump/Barr/Holder and say “no thank you”?",
">\n\nWithdrawing a subpoena sets no precedent and is not at all uncommon.",
">\n\nThe subpoena was issued quite some time ago wasn’t it? And he just flat refused. Were Barr and Holder’s also withdrawn?",
">\n\nI saw the headline and thought the committee dropped a subpoena the way you drop an album. Then I read the article and saw that they dropped it like you drop an extra filler track from an album.",
">\n\nIt would have been a waste of time anyway. \n\"Mr. Trump, did you tell your supporters that the election was stolen and send your supporters to violently break into the capitol building to stop Joe Biden from becoming president\"? - January 6th Committee \n\"The fifth\"! - Trump\nDOJ do your job to save this nation from tyranny and further destruction!🙏",
">\n\nSurprised pikachu face",
">\n\nBut these are the same people that wanted peaceful blm protestors bathed in their own blood? What point do we all take this into our own hands",
">\n\nOh, wow. This is really bad for you, US. Like ultra super deluxe so very not good.",
">\n\nLmao…\n“ThE WaLLs arE cLoSIng in”",
">\n\nwell duh...\npolitics from the beginning",
">\n\nWhat an absolute joke.",
">\n\nInb4 trump takes this decision and expresses it as: “completely exonerated!!!”",
">\n\nThey don’t need his testimony. As if he would ever go anywhere close to a government building after the committee’s final report. Just let him relax to make it easier to arrest him",
">\n\nfucking why?",
">\n\nIsn’t the rule that if you don’t comply with a congressional subpoena you can be held in contempt and fined or jailed? Can the House sergeant-at-arms arrest the person?",
">\n\nWow, naw fuck this.",
">\n\nHe wouldn't show up anyways...🐣",
">\n\nTFG is so slippery, Teflon wouldn't stick",
">\n\nNothing will truly come to fruition until we go out into the streets and force this issue ourselves.",
">\n\nWhat’s the point of that?",
">\n\nTold you.",
">\n\nSad, and utterly predictable.\nZero accountability is the death of liberty. Actual freedom means lawlessness, rather than being a nation of laws. \nThe GOP has now proved that no law matters, and that, like Russia, we are a nation governed by the biggest criminal.",
">\n\nHe should be forced to comply, then you can say you are done",
">\n\nAn absolute travesty of justice. I would've said keep the subpoena open forever. If there's some way for the subpoena's issuing body to dissolve without legally dropping the subpoena, thus leaving it in a permanent state of legal limbo, I would have advocated for that, so that the GOP could never whitewash the fact that he defied a lawfully issued subpoena.\nOtherwise, make the GOP drop it themselves; let them be the ones who let him get away with openly flouting a subpoena.",
">\n\nSo that's it???? This ASSHOLE is scott free from prosecution?",
">\n\nWhat a jackass",
">\n\nRepublicans representatives specifically...",
">\n\nIt doesn't matter anymore the witch hunt it over ! HE'S FALLIN IN HIS OWN S**t. Ding dong !",
">\n\nThey don't need him to testify at this point and they, nor anyone believed he would ever testify. They have all the evidence they need to pass on to the DOJ. Trump said he would testify at one point but that was 🐎 💩",
">\n\nNice cope posts!",
">\n\nTbh, I'm not sure it would be of any value for him to appear. It's not like they don't already have more than enough for DOJ to charge him with criminal acts, which the Committee cannot do, regardless. The real question is what DOJ will do."
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Honestly probably for the better. Nothing would’ve been accomplished and there’s a lot of examples he can bring up of dems trying fishy stuff in 2016. Is it at the level of what trump did? No. But it’s similar enough to make things difficult
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"So far Trump's legal strategy of ignoring calls for accountability until Republicans in Congress can bail him out is workingly flawlessly.",
">\n\nThat doesn’t mean the DoJ can’t charge and prosecute. \nRight now everything is in response to republicans getting their slim majority in the house and lessen the damage they will do.\nThat said, they still have the mountain of evidence they did gather",
">\n\nWhat about when the AG/DOJ is a GOP appointee? You don’t think they’ll just put in a Bill Barr type on the entire thing?",
">\n\nNot while they have a democratic president and especially when the previous president lost them the midterms.\nThey were already planning on replacing trump with Desantes by equating the 2 (Martha’s Vineyard was part of that), they’re only gonna lose trying to put their party’s future on the line protect him further.\nThey gonna continue to spread doubt and try to discredit the investigations, but they’re barely holding onto a branch of government, they’re not stupid. Barr only worked because they held onto 2",
">\n\nUmmm that’s not what I meant. If a GOP candidate for President wins in 2024 , what are the actual legal implications. It’s not like it’s below them to interfere like they did with the collusion charges",
">\n\n\nThe House January 6 committee is withdrawing its subpoena of former President Donald Trump as it concludes its work.\n“In light of the imminent end of our investigation, the Select Committee can no longer pursue the specific information covered by the subpoena,” Chairman Bennie Thompson, a Mississippi Democrat, wrote in a letter to Trump’s attorney Wednesday obtained by CNN.\n“Therefore, through this letter, I hereby formally withdraw the subpoena issued to former President Trump, and notify you that he is no longer obligated to comply or produce records in response to said subpoena,” Thompson added.",
">\n\nConclusion: Former president Trump is above the law.",
">\n\nYeah kind of makes me sad. Trump can just ignore a subpoena, with zero consequences. \n“We believe you tried to overthrow the government. You are legally required to come talk to us about it.”\n“No thanks.”\n“Oh. Ok, never mind.”",
">\n\nNo consequences? He's has been referred to the DOJ for obstruction of a govt processing last week. They held a recorded vote.",
">\n\nThat’s not a consequence. It’s kicking the can. Trump will never, ever be held responsible for his role in destroying democracy in America.",
">\n\nThis is not TV or a movie. \"The wheels of justice grind slowly yet exceedingly fine\" is a saying for a reason. Federal investigations usually take years.",
">\n\nHe’s been investigated for years. No consequences. Just special appointments, investigations, and referrals. In the mean time, you know who DOES face consequences?\nAmerica.",
">\n\nYou are judging the end of the movie before it is over.\nThe previous investigations were being done while he had the shield of the presidency and an attorney general running obstruction for him. None of that is true now.",
">\n\nThe GOP will continue fighting on his behalf, because the majority are complicit in 45’s fuckery. Again, no consequences will be had. I’m willing to wager a gift card to your favorite local restaurant that he will live fat, rich, and free until at least the 2024/25 inauguration. Save this post.",
">\n\nWe'll see about that. I'll admit to the loss if thats the case.",
">\n\nMore proof that we the people have no rights in comparison to the billionaire ticks.",
">\n\nDude ain't no billionaire",
">\n\nNo, but his buddies are.",
">\n\nHis puppet masters maybe",
">\n\nI mean, who would have thought not starting the fight sooner would end like this?",
">\n\nDon’t worry. He’s got so many more coming.",
">\n\nThe idea that Trump will pay any price for his crimes is a fantasy.",
">\n\nIt’s actually happening. His company has been found guilty. His charity is closed. His cohorts are about to go to jail. His popularity sagging. Protection is gone. We just need the first indictment.",
">\n\nBut none is him",
">\n\nWell Trump Org is pretty much him but be patient.",
">\n\nDrops in the bucket. \nBeen patient for like 6 years now. How much more we gotta wait?",
">\n\nHe couldn’t be prosecuted while president. Watch GA and the special prosecutor. They’re moving fast.",
">\n\nCouldn't be?\nShould have been.",
">\n\nThat’s absolutely wild that any man is able to just straight up ignore a subpoena with zero consequences. Definition of “above the law”. If he gets away with this, he is going to be more dangerous than ever. You get away with leading a coup/insurrection, you’re going to assume you can get away with literally anything. \nMaybe trump was right… he really could shoot someone in the middle of 5th avenue and not lose any voters…and also probably not even get in trouble",
">\n\nSerious questions...so the committee pull the subpoena, but it's up to DOJ for any additional follow up, but when the new congress is in session they can tell DOJ to drop everything? Is that how's its going to go down? Because I thought DOJ is supposed to be independent once given the committee's findings?",
">\n\nThe DOJ is certainly independent of Congress. As for the committee - the only thing they would've done differently was vote on a criminal referral for contempt of Congress. Although there is some truth to congressional contempt needing to stem from congress, The DOJ has no obligation to act on a referral - it is more akin to a recommendation.\nWith that being said, the committee knew it wasn't going to serve any real benefit, so they decided not to.\n\nThe DOJ decided not to prosecute Meadows and Scavino for contempt due to their close ties to the executive. This pretty much ruled out any chance of it happening to Trump, a former President. \nEven a completely successful referral (Steve Bannon) showed how inconsequential Congressional subpoena power is. For one, it is a misdemeanor. It has been ~15 months since Bannon was referred, and he was found guilty and sentenced, and he is still a free man pending appeal. And even if upheld, it's only 4 months in prison as just shy of maximum sentencing guidelines. \nThe DOJ, if they prosecute, are aiming at much bigger crimes - notably Obstruction of an Official Proceeding, which carries up to 20 years. And they'd be potentially trying these crimes in the same jurisdiction.\n\nSo I'm sure the calculation was that it just wasn't worth throwing a referral at the DOJ for something they'd never follow up on, and wouldn't be much benefit if they did.",
">\n\nIn summary, he’s committed so many crimes that this one isn’t worth any effort",
">\n\nEssentially, yeah. The DOJ has two big chances to secure a conviction: Mar-A-Lago and Jan. 6 - and they will likely bring multiple charges in a D.C. court if they decide to prosecute. Mar-A-Lago will come first, which has virtually nothing to do with this committee's work.\nReferring a misdemeanor to tack onto 4 serious felonies they referred probably only risked muddying the larger offenses. Can't blame them honestly.",
">\n\nWhat is “Mar a Lago” in this context! The tax scheme? Classified documents?",
">\n\nThe classified documents",
">\n\nSmall point but they weren't all classified and don't need to be, for what he did to be illegal. Just trying to avoid republican framing.",
">\n\nHillary was not afraid to testify every time she was asked (and testified for hours and hours each time, answering all questions asked) and never took the 5th. Yet republicans act like she is the criminal when it always has been trump.",
">\n\nEven if she was wrong she was smarter than any of the R in the room. That woman was a machine during those hearings and gave them nothing to work with.",
">\n\nShe is definitely smarter than that barrel of monkeys who questioned her, but ultimately, there was nothing to get from her - the perfect opposite case of crimey benedict donald and his co-conspirators.",
">\n\nIt's interesting to see that people think this subpoena would have continued to exist past Jan 3, 2023 given that that's when ALL open subpoenas from the outgoing congress expire and become null and void. Even if the J6 committee continued to exist- they would be required to file a brand new one in the new session.",
">\n\nIt wouldn't be that hard to file a brand new subpoena, they have lawyers who work full-time for them. That isn't an obstacle.",
">\n\nExcept for the committee doesn't exist in the new Congress and they have no powers to do anything if they don't exist.",
">\n\nIt's easy to get the two confused a lot of times.",
">\n\nHow many of y'all actually thought he wasn't going to run out the clock? \nNothing will fundamentally change.",
">\n\nNobody. The “justice takes time” chorus that dominated the narrative was only here to quell social unrest so society didn’t take a dive while the rich mocked us from their golden pedestals.",
">\n\nSerious question: Why? So what if the Dems lose power in the Congress. Let the Republicans be the one to formally dismantle the committee and subpoena on record. Then when hopefully Trump is charged by the DOJ, dems have another talking point for 2024 that the Republicans hate law and order and protect mob bosses.",
">\n\nThe select committee expires at the end of the congressional session. So they do not need to question him because the committee will not exist.",
">\n\nBut what is the point of formally withdrawing the subpoena? What does it accomplish?",
">\n\nThe committee is over. They have issued the report, they are closing up shop. They are following the process. A secondary part of the committees job was to show how a REAL congressional hearing should be handled. None of that sloppy ass grandstanding they did for Benghazi",
">\n\nMy viewpoint is that Trump and the GOP are just going to use this as “proof” that he did nothing wrong. Remember how the Mueller report “exonerated” Trump? His base believes this shit wholeheartedly and I guarantee he will use this as “evidence” for his innocence.\nShowing how things SHOULD be handled instead of taking whatever measures needed to protect Americans lead to Jan 6th happening in the first place. We all know how things should be handled, how the rules should work, but one side is willing to do whatever they need to keep power and the other is getting walked over.\nIs taking the high road worth letting fascism into our government?",
">\n\nIt’s good to know that republicans are allowed to ignore subpoenas. That’s useful info for them. Don’t expect dems to get that treatment",
">\n\nThey dropped the ball in not issuing one a couple of months ago",
">\n\nActually the Democrats have done everything not to ever pick up the ball even once. They let trump appointed republicans appoint a republican special counsel to fall like a straw man to blatant obstruction in the Russia probe. They turned it into a fundraiser for campaigning. \nThis time they let liz Cheney take the reins, who was able to preserve her republican prerogatives throughout this entire ordeal. \nThe fact is that you're all being cucked by forces of controlled opposition and I'm apparently the only one in the world who can't be so easily mitigated.\nI can't depend on any of you anymore than you can depend on yourselves.",
">\n\nYou lost all credibility at the end when you said cuck and act like you’re the smartest person in the world. Be gone!",
">\n\nYeah, I don't know how anyone can be expected to be taken seriously using that whole sentence unironically.",
">\n\nI don't expect to be taken seriously whether I say it or not, yet the facts remain as I've described.",
">\n\nI didn’t see that coming, said absolutely no one.",
">\n\nWhy.",
">\n\nHUGE mistake. The committee will be dissolved by the GOPers in a couple weeks, and all this did was to give the Marmalade Moses another fake victory to rile up his lemmings.",
">\n\nIt’s funny because I say the same thing every time about trump never getting charged and I always get shit about it like BUT NO THIS TIME IS DIFFERENT. \nLmao right. Sure it is.",
">\n\nFucking same. This is just more “ammo” for his orange, shit spewing mouth.",
">\n\nThis guy is still getting more media coverage than the current potus two years into his term. Crazy.",
">\n\nIt does blow that he wasn't forced to comply with the subpoena but for people thinking what a bummer this seems like, the house is switching to a republican majority in like a week so it didn't make a whole lot of sense to leave an active subpoena on record knowing it would never be resolved. They likely knew he wasn't going to comply when it was issued only now its offical that it was officially issued, ignored by trump, and terminated. Who knows if the DOJ will eventually file but everyone pretty much already knew that little temper tantrum trump wasn't going to aid in his own house sedition investigation.",
">\n\nIf we restrict ourselves to the issue of compliance with a subpoena from this committee, then the recent election clearly mooted every aspect of penalties or consequences related to ignoring the subpoena.\nIt's like a big brother was called over and little bro wanted him to force his adversary to bow and kiss the ground. But by the time big bro finally wanders over, the kid goes \"nah... we're good.\"\nA lot of folk like to believe contempt of court or contempt of congress is like any other crime where you do the deed and have to face the punishment. But, in general, these things do not work like crimes. Even where contempt has been codified such that there is a criminal contempt aspect, the goal remains to seek or to force compliance. This leads to \"punishments\" which are better or worse depending on how you view things. A simple view is that you could be \"sentenced\" to indefinite incarceration because it's a \"jailed until compliance\" thing.\nIn this case, Congress has been very, very reticent to try to use their inherent power to jail someone. So the most they ever do these days is refer the case to the DoJ to pursue criminal contempt of congress.\nAll in all, is this a \"good\" thing? Maybe it's not as bad as we feel it to be. Imagine any sort of argument where someone demands you do something. You retort \"are you sure?\" Bystanders urge folk cool down and think about it. Map that into the way Congress changes every two years and you get a sense that unless something is important enough that it remains after the public alters the composition of the legislative branch, maybe it's not all that important (to the public) after all.\nOn the other hand, why would anyone fear Congress when they demonstrate time and again there never really are any consequences for refusal to comply with subpoenas? But... do we want to quake in fear whenever some nutjob party gains control and enacts something as dire as the Committee on Unamerican Activities?",
">\n\nWhat is the advantage of dropping the subpoena, as opposed to just letting it expire/letting the new congress withdraw it? Why go on record saying he no longer has to come in? I get that he was never going to show, I’m just curious why this is better than the alternative.",
">\n\nI’m wondering this too. There has to be a good reason.",
">\n\n?? Why, like it had no power, but still why? This looks like weakness",
">\n\nThe subpoena expires when the new congress is sworn in on Jan 3rd. There was no practical way to enforce it.",
">\n\nWhy not just let it expire?\nNow Republicans have a talking point that the January 6th Committee withdrew their subpoena.\nThey'll use it to muddy the waters and spread more misinformation.",
">\n\nThey already had their talking points. They've had them the whole time. They already released a \"counter report\" to the J6 committee. The committee withdrew it because they are closing up shop. The report is out. Where would Donnie's answers go?",
">\n\nWhy was he not charged with contempt for no show? Once again, he gets let off for bad behaviour",
">\n\nBecause they referred him for 4 much more serious crimes with longer sentences. Referring him for this is essentially pointless.",
">\n\nYes, but i see it as another nail in the coffin, and also sends a message that subpoenas are not to be ignored",
">\n\nImagine if you or I tried to just ignore a subpoena.",
">\n\nIt’s OK if you’re a Republican, as the war criminal’s daughter who voted in line with Trump’s policies during her House tenure can attest.",
">\n\nAnother instance of unequal justice under the law, imo. If you or I disregarded a subpoena from Congress we'd be going to jail...like Steve Bannon.",
">\n\nDrag it out, do nothing, repeat. Glad the J6 group produced a ton of info and exposed a lot of the bs but what's the point of nothing really happens? Media circus? I'm so tired.",
">\n\nGreat precedent. It's good to know if I'm ever subpoenaed by congress I can just ignore it.",
">\n\nJ6 knew he'd puss out and just wanted to get it on the record. And for the same reason they haven't gone after Meadows for ignoring his subpoena, are all of the other serious crimes hanging over him and the orange Traitor in Chief, especially now, the subpoenas aren't worth the time and effort.",
">\n\n\nAnd for the same reason they haven't gone after Meadows for ignoring his subpoena\n\nTo be fair... the House voted him in criminal contempt and sent the referral to that to the DoJ. There wasn't really anything they could do beyond that with respect to his subpoena (yes, inherent contempt in theory exists, in practice it would have been useless for multiple reasons).\nMeadows is also included in the big criminal referrals the committee issued as part of their report as well.",
">\n\nAs usual, this country’s justice system is a joke",
">\n\nThis was a subpoena issued by the congress, not DOJ. He would be arrested if this was subpoena by DOJ and he didn’t show.",
">\n\nLike I said lol this country’s justice system is a joke",
">\n\nBut the justice system has not been involved yet!!! Congressional hearing is not an example of the justice system. The congress has referred the case to the DOJ or “the justice system” as a result of their hearing. DOJ will pursue a criminal investigation and pursue charges. \nJudiciary (justice system as you call it), congress, and executive branches are constitutionally separate and independent to ensure checks and balances.\nJustice system in the US is not ideal, but this specific instance is not an example of these inefficiencies. This is an example of how the congress has been ineffective in doing their legislative actions. In this instance the correct statement would be “Legislative system in this country is a joke.” Justice system has not had a chance to show its incompetence yet. That will be next.",
">\n\nNaive of you to think this is anything more than a show they’re putting on. Nothing will come of it, democrats are by nature pussies let’s be real. None have any teeth or claws. The right is full of a bunch of tribalistic monkeys, party is apparently more important than country. I guess I can rephrase, besides making money and being the best business in the world, America is a joke.",
">\n\n\"OMG. I'm so outraged by this even though I have no idea why.\"\nIt'd be nice if you guys learned the difference between the subpoena and the criminal referral. trump was never going to show up for the subpoena especially since the GOP is about to take control. It's a completely moot point.",
">\n\nExactly. The committee already referred him to the DoJ on criminal charges. Everyone is acting like they're just taking their ball and going home. They already went well and beyond a mere subpoena here, and one of the charges that they're recommending is obstruction already.",
">\n\nAren’t subpoenas mandatory with consequences? Either you show up or go to jail. Trump did neither.",
">\n\nNot if you are rich. Laws are you only for the the lower 90%",
">\n\nThis is such bullshit.",
">\n\nAnother precedent set for rich criminals to not comply. If we citizens didn’t show we’d be at a black site with electrodes on our genitals.",
">\n\nThey should have charged Trump with contempt of Congress.",
">\n\nSo whens the next uprising on behalf of rich people? Just be sure you're actually a political player because if you're just a worker you'll be charged. Chess has really changed over the past hundred years.",
">\n\nTotally expected. \nTrump, the really TV star, said he'd only agree to answer the subpoena if it were live & televised. It's quite obvious the reason is that he'd ignore the questioning & use the free air time to spew his BS, much like in the Presidential debates. \nAnd I'm sure the incoming Republican House would have loved to have given him the opportunity",
">\n\nyeah kinda moot at this point , they already made those criminal referrals anyways lol i wish they would have perused charging him for not showing up however but maybe they figured in light of everything they should focus on the key issues and at this point whatever he had to say really doesnt matter anyways as he would just lie. his testimony would pretty much be useless. its still a shame we didnt get to see it just for historys sake lol",
">\n\nAl trump would do is take the 5th like any other ordinary criminal",
">\n\nSo far as things have gone, will it now be ok for Democrats to ignore all the subpoenas that this next R House is going to send around? I’d think so….",
">\n\nOur government has failed us.... Good luck everyone.",
">\n\nAh yes the criminal Justice system, quite possibly the longest running joke in America",
">\n\n& you just know the cheeto will say something like, ha!, they dropped the subpoena cause they knew I am innocent, or some 💩 like that",
">\n\nNo surprise there. Trump is above the law, as he has proven time and again, over and over throughout the last several years. \nI will be surprised if anything comes out of this investigation, at all. \nI will be surprised if the next republican president isn't worse than Trump. \nI mean seriously, how do they convict him of anything if they can't even call him for questioning. Ever heard of anyone, ever, to get convicted of a crime that didn't have to talk to investigators at some point? \nFuck America. Fuck Trump. And fuck the pussy ass people who refuse to do their fucking job.",
">\n\nThey dropped it because it wasn't necessary and would have given him a national platform needlessly. DOJ will pass to the special council which will bring formal charges, if any will be brought.",
">\n\nThis is actually heartbreaking. Seen a lot of politicians and people of note show time and time again that the rules for EVERY CITIZEN don’t apply to them and this stings just a little more",
">\n\nMy theory that he is blackmailing everyone from the White House down with Area 51 malarky is still holding water...",
">\n\nLet us all start committing crimes and see how that goes, this is bs",
">\n\nSuch bs. I knew he would sleeze his way out of any consequences for his actions. This will only embolden him & his lunatic followers. He incites a riot that kills people & gets away with it. If any of us incited a riot, we would still be in jail & if people died during the riot, we would be charged with murder as well. So sick & tired of the double standard when it comes to a president who breaks the law & walks away, just like nixon did.",
">\n\nshould not have dropped\nshould have referred it to doj for contempt of congress...\nwhite rich continue to get a pass for what the rest of us would have long ago been prosecuted and imprisoned...",
">\n\nThey already referred him to DOJ for obstruction of a govt proceeding last week. What are you talking about?",
">\n\nYeah, because why would you want to subpoena the guy who was completely responsible for the entire thing?\nThe Chuck Schumer neoliberals have engineered this to completely let Trump get away with it - because they think the Republicans are still their friends and they don't want to piss them off!",
">\n\nThey subpoenaed trump months ago. He declined to show. Since, investigation is over, they dropped it. This is not even really news worthy.",
">\n\nHalf the people in this thread have no idea what they're talking about and are confusing the subpoena with the criminal referral.",
">\n\nOh, is that what's going on? Lol. I was wondering why ppl are making a big deal about this. This is just the committee cleaning up loose ends.",
">\n\nIt's a big deal if someone who's now a private citizen, can do wtf he wants and ignore a Congressional subpoena.",
">\n\nIt takes votes by congress to hold in contempt. They didn't need trump's testimony. He would just show up and repeat I plead the 5th anyway. Pence ignored his, too. It's pointless to hold them in contempt and get off focus of actual investigation.",
">\n\nYou're proving my point. Congressional Democrats should have enforced the subpoena and made Trump plead the 5th to every question. Imagine if Pence also appeared and pled the 5th to every question. That is political magic for the Democrats, it makes them look guilty as hell.\nTrump committed a crime, and this is America. It should be the same as if I committed a crime. We would get arrested, taken to jail until the morning, see a judge and face our charges, and then either get released on OR, held for trial, or bail set. It's not much of a democracy if laws are not enforced against powerful people.",
">\n\nOnce you all realize this is just a game and you’re the pawn things will make a lot more sense.",
">\n\nNow hear him cry about never getting a chance to testify when he’s charged.",
">\n\nI see this less as a “you’re excused” and more of a “see you in court”",
">\n\nNo need to bother with it when they've already finished their work. The only thing that testimony would have accomplished would have been getting Trump to look bad on national television, and a potential perjury charge. Trump already has embarrassed himself in public in a massive way since then, and they have bigger crimes to recommend to the DOJ for prosecution.",
">\n\nThe moment they announced the subpoena everyone got a hard on that trump would have to talk. I said it then and I’ll say it again, trump will never have to face any punishment and he doesn’t have to comply to any law or rules. They’re all more suggestions instead of laws.",
">\n\nWhat a waste of fucking time",
">\n\nSo......this was a big fat waste of time and money?",
">\n\nI mean they made a criminal referral so, no? The committee wasn’t set up to solely investigate Dolt 45 and took the testimony of over a thousand people, why is it you believe withdrawing one subpoena because the committee is winding down renders the entire process a “waste of time and money.”",
">\n\nNo mention on CNN that they dropped the subpoena after a year of January 6 January 6 January 6 terrible news station",
">\n\nWell, it’s being run by a Republican so go figure",
">\n\nTalk about the wheels of justice turning slow. In this case reversing altogether. Well done.",
">\n\nI wish this surprised me.",
">\n\nLOL God this is so funny\nWhat the fuck did y'all expect if you have money you are above the law. It only applies to the poor and those who step on the toes of capital.",
">\n\nWhat a waste of money",
">\n\n...And a Happy New Year!",
">\n\nClassic",
">\n\nShocking",
">\n\nOur governing body are a bunch of cowards. The US is being safeguarded by self-interested Congresspersons who speak about accountability and act on cowardice.",
">\n\nLet's be honest he'll get away with everything with a slap on the wrist. This country won't prosecute a sitting or former president or high ranking politician, we've seen this over and over. The whole committee is sadly a publicity stunt to gain traction for Democrat's. I hope I'm completely wrong of course and that this country will start to feel like it's a democracy.",
">\n\nThe coup is in effect.",
">\n\nI have a sad feeling this committee is going to end up like a fart in the wind",
">\n\nYou’re not wrong",
">\n\nWtf are you talking about?",
">\n\nHands",
">\n\nWho are you talking to? Lmao",
">\n\nWent out with a whimper. The most Democrat thing ever.\nWish the Dems would learn how to take the gloves off, at least they would have a shot against an opponent that has no problems filling their gloves with lead shot. Then bragging about it.",
">\n\nThe subpoena, and associated contempt charges would be nothing when compared to the recommendations made by the committee to the DOJ. Whether or not the DOJ will act is all that matters at this point.",
">\n\nPathetic pieces of shit",
">\n\nAll theatre, all the time. Seems like by now, to most people, that somehow being trolled by their favorite elected might be possible.",
">\n\nSo wait, he just gets away with everything? Just like that?\nWhat about all the articles saying that Trump will most likely spend the rest of his life in prison?",
">\n\nThe subpoena has nothing to do with the recommendations made by the committee to the DOJ. The ball is in the DOJ’s court. The subpoena doesn’t impact anything. Absurd that he didn’t get held in contempt, but that is more of a distraction than anything.",
">\n\nI see. Thanks for explaining!",
">\n\nCan anyone explain why he was not arrested for not responding to the subpoena? I thought you had to respond to these?",
">\n\nFirst they would have had to vote for contempt. Then they would need to issue a referral to DOJ, then DOJ would need to consider it. That is not happening in a week before the new congress is sworn in an this committee expires. They have issued their report and no longer need to speak to him. That is why it was withdrawn. Their job is done.",
">\n\nSubpoenas are real, or they’re not.\nIn the real world if any person defied or ignored a subpoena they would be arrested immediately.\nWhy are some Americans allowed to break the law in broad daylight.",
">\n\nWhy is the DOJ dragging its feet in charging anyone?",
">\n\nDOJ has charged over 700 people out of January 6 and they continue to charge cases. Most of these cases took months if not years to come to fruition.\nAt the end of the day DOJ has no obligation to act on any of the committee’s referrals, although I believe they already have ongoing investigations as to several of the subjects. If anything new comes out of the committee’s work it’s unlikely to happen soon.",
">\n\nThe US is beyond broken. The wealthy can do whatever they want while we are the only ones who face consequences. I can’t wait to leave this shithole again. I won’t be making the mistake of coming back like I did last year.",
">\n\nSuch a farce",
">\n\nBut he wanted to appear!!",
">\n\nThe walls are closing in.",
">\n\nOk, people. Quit guilt-edging and go home.",
">\n\nWait so what is Trump a dastardly super villain who keeps getting away or a dumb oaf. You guys just can't decide.",
">\n\nI can’t wait until nothing happens!\nHas it happened yet?",
">\n\n“All animals are equal but some animals are more equal than others.” \nHey, do you think Reddit will ever reach a state of Nirvana where it will stop claiming “Trump is really sweating now!”?",
">\n\nDoes this not set some sort of precedence? If I now get subpoenaed for something can I not just point to Trump/Barr/Holder and say “no thank you”?",
">\n\nWithdrawing a subpoena sets no precedent and is not at all uncommon.",
">\n\nThe subpoena was issued quite some time ago wasn’t it? And he just flat refused. Were Barr and Holder’s also withdrawn?",
">\n\nI saw the headline and thought the committee dropped a subpoena the way you drop an album. Then I read the article and saw that they dropped it like you drop an extra filler track from an album.",
">\n\nIt would have been a waste of time anyway. \n\"Mr. Trump, did you tell your supporters that the election was stolen and send your supporters to violently break into the capitol building to stop Joe Biden from becoming president\"? - January 6th Committee \n\"The fifth\"! - Trump\nDOJ do your job to save this nation from tyranny and further destruction!🙏",
">\n\nSurprised pikachu face",
">\n\nBut these are the same people that wanted peaceful blm protestors bathed in their own blood? What point do we all take this into our own hands",
">\n\nOh, wow. This is really bad for you, US. Like ultra super deluxe so very not good.",
">\n\nLmao…\n“ThE WaLLs arE cLoSIng in”",
">\n\nwell duh...\npolitics from the beginning",
">\n\nWhat an absolute joke.",
">\n\nInb4 trump takes this decision and expresses it as: “completely exonerated!!!”",
">\n\nThey don’t need his testimony. As if he would ever go anywhere close to a government building after the committee’s final report. Just let him relax to make it easier to arrest him",
">\n\nfucking why?",
">\n\nIsn’t the rule that if you don’t comply with a congressional subpoena you can be held in contempt and fined or jailed? Can the House sergeant-at-arms arrest the person?",
">\n\nWow, naw fuck this.",
">\n\nHe wouldn't show up anyways...🐣",
">\n\nTFG is so slippery, Teflon wouldn't stick",
">\n\nNothing will truly come to fruition until we go out into the streets and force this issue ourselves.",
">\n\nWhat’s the point of that?",
">\n\nTold you.",
">\n\nSad, and utterly predictable.\nZero accountability is the death of liberty. Actual freedom means lawlessness, rather than being a nation of laws. \nThe GOP has now proved that no law matters, and that, like Russia, we are a nation governed by the biggest criminal.",
">\n\nHe should be forced to comply, then you can say you are done",
">\n\nAn absolute travesty of justice. I would've said keep the subpoena open forever. If there's some way for the subpoena's issuing body to dissolve without legally dropping the subpoena, thus leaving it in a permanent state of legal limbo, I would have advocated for that, so that the GOP could never whitewash the fact that he defied a lawfully issued subpoena.\nOtherwise, make the GOP drop it themselves; let them be the ones who let him get away with openly flouting a subpoena.",
">\n\nSo that's it???? This ASSHOLE is scott free from prosecution?",
">\n\nWhat a jackass",
">\n\nRepublicans representatives specifically...",
">\n\nIt doesn't matter anymore the witch hunt it over ! HE'S FALLIN IN HIS OWN S**t. Ding dong !",
">\n\nThey don't need him to testify at this point and they, nor anyone believed he would ever testify. They have all the evidence they need to pass on to the DOJ. Trump said he would testify at one point but that was 🐎 💩",
">\n\nNice cope posts!",
">\n\nTbh, I'm not sure it would be of any value for him to appear. It's not like they don't already have more than enough for DOJ to charge him with criminal acts, which the Committee cannot do, regardless. The real question is what DOJ will do.",
">\n\nI knew it all the build up was for show."
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"So far Trump's legal strategy of ignoring calls for accountability until Republicans in Congress can bail him out is workingly flawlessly.",
">\n\nThat doesn’t mean the DoJ can’t charge and prosecute. \nRight now everything is in response to republicans getting their slim majority in the house and lessen the damage they will do.\nThat said, they still have the mountain of evidence they did gather",
">\n\nWhat about when the AG/DOJ is a GOP appointee? You don’t think they’ll just put in a Bill Barr type on the entire thing?",
">\n\nNot while they have a democratic president and especially when the previous president lost them the midterms.\nThey were already planning on replacing trump with Desantes by equating the 2 (Martha’s Vineyard was part of that), they’re only gonna lose trying to put their party’s future on the line protect him further.\nThey gonna continue to spread doubt and try to discredit the investigations, but they’re barely holding onto a branch of government, they’re not stupid. Barr only worked because they held onto 2",
">\n\nUmmm that’s not what I meant. If a GOP candidate for President wins in 2024 , what are the actual legal implications. It’s not like it’s below them to interfere like they did with the collusion charges",
">\n\n\nThe House January 6 committee is withdrawing its subpoena of former President Donald Trump as it concludes its work.\n“In light of the imminent end of our investigation, the Select Committee can no longer pursue the specific information covered by the subpoena,” Chairman Bennie Thompson, a Mississippi Democrat, wrote in a letter to Trump’s attorney Wednesday obtained by CNN.\n“Therefore, through this letter, I hereby formally withdraw the subpoena issued to former President Trump, and notify you that he is no longer obligated to comply or produce records in response to said subpoena,” Thompson added.",
">\n\nConclusion: Former president Trump is above the law.",
">\n\nYeah kind of makes me sad. Trump can just ignore a subpoena, with zero consequences. \n“We believe you tried to overthrow the government. You are legally required to come talk to us about it.”\n“No thanks.”\n“Oh. Ok, never mind.”",
">\n\nNo consequences? He's has been referred to the DOJ for obstruction of a govt processing last week. They held a recorded vote.",
">\n\nThat’s not a consequence. It’s kicking the can. Trump will never, ever be held responsible for his role in destroying democracy in America.",
">\n\nThis is not TV or a movie. \"The wheels of justice grind slowly yet exceedingly fine\" is a saying for a reason. Federal investigations usually take years.",
">\n\nHe’s been investigated for years. No consequences. Just special appointments, investigations, and referrals. In the mean time, you know who DOES face consequences?\nAmerica.",
">\n\nYou are judging the end of the movie before it is over.\nThe previous investigations were being done while he had the shield of the presidency and an attorney general running obstruction for him. None of that is true now.",
">\n\nThe GOP will continue fighting on his behalf, because the majority are complicit in 45’s fuckery. Again, no consequences will be had. I’m willing to wager a gift card to your favorite local restaurant that he will live fat, rich, and free until at least the 2024/25 inauguration. Save this post.",
">\n\nWe'll see about that. I'll admit to the loss if thats the case.",
">\n\nMore proof that we the people have no rights in comparison to the billionaire ticks.",
">\n\nDude ain't no billionaire",
">\n\nNo, but his buddies are.",
">\n\nHis puppet masters maybe",
">\n\nI mean, who would have thought not starting the fight sooner would end like this?",
">\n\nDon’t worry. He’s got so many more coming.",
">\n\nThe idea that Trump will pay any price for his crimes is a fantasy.",
">\n\nIt’s actually happening. His company has been found guilty. His charity is closed. His cohorts are about to go to jail. His popularity sagging. Protection is gone. We just need the first indictment.",
">\n\nBut none is him",
">\n\nWell Trump Org is pretty much him but be patient.",
">\n\nDrops in the bucket. \nBeen patient for like 6 years now. How much more we gotta wait?",
">\n\nHe couldn’t be prosecuted while president. Watch GA and the special prosecutor. They’re moving fast.",
">\n\nCouldn't be?\nShould have been.",
">\n\nThat’s absolutely wild that any man is able to just straight up ignore a subpoena with zero consequences. Definition of “above the law”. If he gets away with this, he is going to be more dangerous than ever. You get away with leading a coup/insurrection, you’re going to assume you can get away with literally anything. \nMaybe trump was right… he really could shoot someone in the middle of 5th avenue and not lose any voters…and also probably not even get in trouble",
">\n\nSerious questions...so the committee pull the subpoena, but it's up to DOJ for any additional follow up, but when the new congress is in session they can tell DOJ to drop everything? Is that how's its going to go down? Because I thought DOJ is supposed to be independent once given the committee's findings?",
">\n\nThe DOJ is certainly independent of Congress. As for the committee - the only thing they would've done differently was vote on a criminal referral for contempt of Congress. Although there is some truth to congressional contempt needing to stem from congress, The DOJ has no obligation to act on a referral - it is more akin to a recommendation.\nWith that being said, the committee knew it wasn't going to serve any real benefit, so they decided not to.\n\nThe DOJ decided not to prosecute Meadows and Scavino for contempt due to their close ties to the executive. This pretty much ruled out any chance of it happening to Trump, a former President. \nEven a completely successful referral (Steve Bannon) showed how inconsequential Congressional subpoena power is. For one, it is a misdemeanor. It has been ~15 months since Bannon was referred, and he was found guilty and sentenced, and he is still a free man pending appeal. And even if upheld, it's only 4 months in prison as just shy of maximum sentencing guidelines. \nThe DOJ, if they prosecute, are aiming at much bigger crimes - notably Obstruction of an Official Proceeding, which carries up to 20 years. And they'd be potentially trying these crimes in the same jurisdiction.\n\nSo I'm sure the calculation was that it just wasn't worth throwing a referral at the DOJ for something they'd never follow up on, and wouldn't be much benefit if they did.",
">\n\nIn summary, he’s committed so many crimes that this one isn’t worth any effort",
">\n\nEssentially, yeah. The DOJ has two big chances to secure a conviction: Mar-A-Lago and Jan. 6 - and they will likely bring multiple charges in a D.C. court if they decide to prosecute. Mar-A-Lago will come first, which has virtually nothing to do with this committee's work.\nReferring a misdemeanor to tack onto 4 serious felonies they referred probably only risked muddying the larger offenses. Can't blame them honestly.",
">\n\nWhat is “Mar a Lago” in this context! The tax scheme? Classified documents?",
">\n\nThe classified documents",
">\n\nSmall point but they weren't all classified and don't need to be, for what he did to be illegal. Just trying to avoid republican framing.",
">\n\nHillary was not afraid to testify every time she was asked (and testified for hours and hours each time, answering all questions asked) and never took the 5th. Yet republicans act like she is the criminal when it always has been trump.",
">\n\nEven if she was wrong she was smarter than any of the R in the room. That woman was a machine during those hearings and gave them nothing to work with.",
">\n\nShe is definitely smarter than that barrel of monkeys who questioned her, but ultimately, there was nothing to get from her - the perfect opposite case of crimey benedict donald and his co-conspirators.",
">\n\nIt's interesting to see that people think this subpoena would have continued to exist past Jan 3, 2023 given that that's when ALL open subpoenas from the outgoing congress expire and become null and void. Even if the J6 committee continued to exist- they would be required to file a brand new one in the new session.",
">\n\nIt wouldn't be that hard to file a brand new subpoena, they have lawyers who work full-time for them. That isn't an obstacle.",
">\n\nExcept for the committee doesn't exist in the new Congress and they have no powers to do anything if they don't exist.",
">\n\nIt's easy to get the two confused a lot of times.",
">\n\nHow many of y'all actually thought he wasn't going to run out the clock? \nNothing will fundamentally change.",
">\n\nNobody. The “justice takes time” chorus that dominated the narrative was only here to quell social unrest so society didn’t take a dive while the rich mocked us from their golden pedestals.",
">\n\nSerious question: Why? So what if the Dems lose power in the Congress. Let the Republicans be the one to formally dismantle the committee and subpoena on record. Then when hopefully Trump is charged by the DOJ, dems have another talking point for 2024 that the Republicans hate law and order and protect mob bosses.",
">\n\nThe select committee expires at the end of the congressional session. So they do not need to question him because the committee will not exist.",
">\n\nBut what is the point of formally withdrawing the subpoena? What does it accomplish?",
">\n\nThe committee is over. They have issued the report, they are closing up shop. They are following the process. A secondary part of the committees job was to show how a REAL congressional hearing should be handled. None of that sloppy ass grandstanding they did for Benghazi",
">\n\nMy viewpoint is that Trump and the GOP are just going to use this as “proof” that he did nothing wrong. Remember how the Mueller report “exonerated” Trump? His base believes this shit wholeheartedly and I guarantee he will use this as “evidence” for his innocence.\nShowing how things SHOULD be handled instead of taking whatever measures needed to protect Americans lead to Jan 6th happening in the first place. We all know how things should be handled, how the rules should work, but one side is willing to do whatever they need to keep power and the other is getting walked over.\nIs taking the high road worth letting fascism into our government?",
">\n\nIt’s good to know that republicans are allowed to ignore subpoenas. That’s useful info for them. Don’t expect dems to get that treatment",
">\n\nThey dropped the ball in not issuing one a couple of months ago",
">\n\nActually the Democrats have done everything not to ever pick up the ball even once. They let trump appointed republicans appoint a republican special counsel to fall like a straw man to blatant obstruction in the Russia probe. They turned it into a fundraiser for campaigning. \nThis time they let liz Cheney take the reins, who was able to preserve her republican prerogatives throughout this entire ordeal. \nThe fact is that you're all being cucked by forces of controlled opposition and I'm apparently the only one in the world who can't be so easily mitigated.\nI can't depend on any of you anymore than you can depend on yourselves.",
">\n\nYou lost all credibility at the end when you said cuck and act like you’re the smartest person in the world. Be gone!",
">\n\nYeah, I don't know how anyone can be expected to be taken seriously using that whole sentence unironically.",
">\n\nI don't expect to be taken seriously whether I say it or not, yet the facts remain as I've described.",
">\n\nI didn’t see that coming, said absolutely no one.",
">\n\nWhy.",
">\n\nHUGE mistake. The committee will be dissolved by the GOPers in a couple weeks, and all this did was to give the Marmalade Moses another fake victory to rile up his lemmings.",
">\n\nIt’s funny because I say the same thing every time about trump never getting charged and I always get shit about it like BUT NO THIS TIME IS DIFFERENT. \nLmao right. Sure it is.",
">\n\nFucking same. This is just more “ammo” for his orange, shit spewing mouth.",
">\n\nThis guy is still getting more media coverage than the current potus two years into his term. Crazy.",
">\n\nIt does blow that he wasn't forced to comply with the subpoena but for people thinking what a bummer this seems like, the house is switching to a republican majority in like a week so it didn't make a whole lot of sense to leave an active subpoena on record knowing it would never be resolved. They likely knew he wasn't going to comply when it was issued only now its offical that it was officially issued, ignored by trump, and terminated. Who knows if the DOJ will eventually file but everyone pretty much already knew that little temper tantrum trump wasn't going to aid in his own house sedition investigation.",
">\n\nIf we restrict ourselves to the issue of compliance with a subpoena from this committee, then the recent election clearly mooted every aspect of penalties or consequences related to ignoring the subpoena.\nIt's like a big brother was called over and little bro wanted him to force his adversary to bow and kiss the ground. But by the time big bro finally wanders over, the kid goes \"nah... we're good.\"\nA lot of folk like to believe contempt of court or contempt of congress is like any other crime where you do the deed and have to face the punishment. But, in general, these things do not work like crimes. Even where contempt has been codified such that there is a criminal contempt aspect, the goal remains to seek or to force compliance. This leads to \"punishments\" which are better or worse depending on how you view things. A simple view is that you could be \"sentenced\" to indefinite incarceration because it's a \"jailed until compliance\" thing.\nIn this case, Congress has been very, very reticent to try to use their inherent power to jail someone. So the most they ever do these days is refer the case to the DoJ to pursue criminal contempt of congress.\nAll in all, is this a \"good\" thing? Maybe it's not as bad as we feel it to be. Imagine any sort of argument where someone demands you do something. You retort \"are you sure?\" Bystanders urge folk cool down and think about it. Map that into the way Congress changes every two years and you get a sense that unless something is important enough that it remains after the public alters the composition of the legislative branch, maybe it's not all that important (to the public) after all.\nOn the other hand, why would anyone fear Congress when they demonstrate time and again there never really are any consequences for refusal to comply with subpoenas? But... do we want to quake in fear whenever some nutjob party gains control and enacts something as dire as the Committee on Unamerican Activities?",
">\n\nWhat is the advantage of dropping the subpoena, as opposed to just letting it expire/letting the new congress withdraw it? Why go on record saying he no longer has to come in? I get that he was never going to show, I’m just curious why this is better than the alternative.",
">\n\nI’m wondering this too. There has to be a good reason.",
">\n\n?? Why, like it had no power, but still why? This looks like weakness",
">\n\nThe subpoena expires when the new congress is sworn in on Jan 3rd. There was no practical way to enforce it.",
">\n\nWhy not just let it expire?\nNow Republicans have a talking point that the January 6th Committee withdrew their subpoena.\nThey'll use it to muddy the waters and spread more misinformation.",
">\n\nThey already had their talking points. They've had them the whole time. They already released a \"counter report\" to the J6 committee. The committee withdrew it because they are closing up shop. The report is out. Where would Donnie's answers go?",
">\n\nWhy was he not charged with contempt for no show? Once again, he gets let off for bad behaviour",
">\n\nBecause they referred him for 4 much more serious crimes with longer sentences. Referring him for this is essentially pointless.",
">\n\nYes, but i see it as another nail in the coffin, and also sends a message that subpoenas are not to be ignored",
">\n\nImagine if you or I tried to just ignore a subpoena.",
">\n\nIt’s OK if you’re a Republican, as the war criminal’s daughter who voted in line with Trump’s policies during her House tenure can attest.",
">\n\nAnother instance of unequal justice under the law, imo. If you or I disregarded a subpoena from Congress we'd be going to jail...like Steve Bannon.",
">\n\nDrag it out, do nothing, repeat. Glad the J6 group produced a ton of info and exposed a lot of the bs but what's the point of nothing really happens? Media circus? I'm so tired.",
">\n\nGreat precedent. It's good to know if I'm ever subpoenaed by congress I can just ignore it.",
">\n\nJ6 knew he'd puss out and just wanted to get it on the record. And for the same reason they haven't gone after Meadows for ignoring his subpoena, are all of the other serious crimes hanging over him and the orange Traitor in Chief, especially now, the subpoenas aren't worth the time and effort.",
">\n\n\nAnd for the same reason they haven't gone after Meadows for ignoring his subpoena\n\nTo be fair... the House voted him in criminal contempt and sent the referral to that to the DoJ. There wasn't really anything they could do beyond that with respect to his subpoena (yes, inherent contempt in theory exists, in practice it would have been useless for multiple reasons).\nMeadows is also included in the big criminal referrals the committee issued as part of their report as well.",
">\n\nAs usual, this country’s justice system is a joke",
">\n\nThis was a subpoena issued by the congress, not DOJ. He would be arrested if this was subpoena by DOJ and he didn’t show.",
">\n\nLike I said lol this country’s justice system is a joke",
">\n\nBut the justice system has not been involved yet!!! Congressional hearing is not an example of the justice system. The congress has referred the case to the DOJ or “the justice system” as a result of their hearing. DOJ will pursue a criminal investigation and pursue charges. \nJudiciary (justice system as you call it), congress, and executive branches are constitutionally separate and independent to ensure checks and balances.\nJustice system in the US is not ideal, but this specific instance is not an example of these inefficiencies. This is an example of how the congress has been ineffective in doing their legislative actions. In this instance the correct statement would be “Legislative system in this country is a joke.” Justice system has not had a chance to show its incompetence yet. That will be next.",
">\n\nNaive of you to think this is anything more than a show they’re putting on. Nothing will come of it, democrats are by nature pussies let’s be real. None have any teeth or claws. The right is full of a bunch of tribalistic monkeys, party is apparently more important than country. I guess I can rephrase, besides making money and being the best business in the world, America is a joke.",
">\n\n\"OMG. I'm so outraged by this even though I have no idea why.\"\nIt'd be nice if you guys learned the difference between the subpoena and the criminal referral. trump was never going to show up for the subpoena especially since the GOP is about to take control. It's a completely moot point.",
">\n\nExactly. The committee already referred him to the DoJ on criminal charges. Everyone is acting like they're just taking their ball and going home. They already went well and beyond a mere subpoena here, and one of the charges that they're recommending is obstruction already.",
">\n\nAren’t subpoenas mandatory with consequences? Either you show up or go to jail. Trump did neither.",
">\n\nNot if you are rich. Laws are you only for the the lower 90%",
">\n\nThis is such bullshit.",
">\n\nAnother precedent set for rich criminals to not comply. If we citizens didn’t show we’d be at a black site with electrodes on our genitals.",
">\n\nThey should have charged Trump with contempt of Congress.",
">\n\nSo whens the next uprising on behalf of rich people? Just be sure you're actually a political player because if you're just a worker you'll be charged. Chess has really changed over the past hundred years.",
">\n\nTotally expected. \nTrump, the really TV star, said he'd only agree to answer the subpoena if it were live & televised. It's quite obvious the reason is that he'd ignore the questioning & use the free air time to spew his BS, much like in the Presidential debates. \nAnd I'm sure the incoming Republican House would have loved to have given him the opportunity",
">\n\nyeah kinda moot at this point , they already made those criminal referrals anyways lol i wish they would have perused charging him for not showing up however but maybe they figured in light of everything they should focus on the key issues and at this point whatever he had to say really doesnt matter anyways as he would just lie. his testimony would pretty much be useless. its still a shame we didnt get to see it just for historys sake lol",
">\n\nAl trump would do is take the 5th like any other ordinary criminal",
">\n\nSo far as things have gone, will it now be ok for Democrats to ignore all the subpoenas that this next R House is going to send around? I’d think so….",
">\n\nOur government has failed us.... Good luck everyone.",
">\n\nAh yes the criminal Justice system, quite possibly the longest running joke in America",
">\n\n& you just know the cheeto will say something like, ha!, they dropped the subpoena cause they knew I am innocent, or some 💩 like that",
">\n\nNo surprise there. Trump is above the law, as he has proven time and again, over and over throughout the last several years. \nI will be surprised if anything comes out of this investigation, at all. \nI will be surprised if the next republican president isn't worse than Trump. \nI mean seriously, how do they convict him of anything if they can't even call him for questioning. Ever heard of anyone, ever, to get convicted of a crime that didn't have to talk to investigators at some point? \nFuck America. Fuck Trump. And fuck the pussy ass people who refuse to do their fucking job.",
">\n\nThey dropped it because it wasn't necessary and would have given him a national platform needlessly. DOJ will pass to the special council which will bring formal charges, if any will be brought.",
">\n\nThis is actually heartbreaking. Seen a lot of politicians and people of note show time and time again that the rules for EVERY CITIZEN don’t apply to them and this stings just a little more",
">\n\nMy theory that he is blackmailing everyone from the White House down with Area 51 malarky is still holding water...",
">\n\nLet us all start committing crimes and see how that goes, this is bs",
">\n\nSuch bs. I knew he would sleeze his way out of any consequences for his actions. This will only embolden him & his lunatic followers. He incites a riot that kills people & gets away with it. If any of us incited a riot, we would still be in jail & if people died during the riot, we would be charged with murder as well. So sick & tired of the double standard when it comes to a president who breaks the law & walks away, just like nixon did.",
">\n\nshould not have dropped\nshould have referred it to doj for contempt of congress...\nwhite rich continue to get a pass for what the rest of us would have long ago been prosecuted and imprisoned...",
">\n\nThey already referred him to DOJ for obstruction of a govt proceeding last week. What are you talking about?",
">\n\nYeah, because why would you want to subpoena the guy who was completely responsible for the entire thing?\nThe Chuck Schumer neoliberals have engineered this to completely let Trump get away with it - because they think the Republicans are still their friends and they don't want to piss them off!",
">\n\nThey subpoenaed trump months ago. He declined to show. Since, investigation is over, they dropped it. This is not even really news worthy.",
">\n\nHalf the people in this thread have no idea what they're talking about and are confusing the subpoena with the criminal referral.",
">\n\nOh, is that what's going on? Lol. I was wondering why ppl are making a big deal about this. This is just the committee cleaning up loose ends.",
">\n\nIt's a big deal if someone who's now a private citizen, can do wtf he wants and ignore a Congressional subpoena.",
">\n\nIt takes votes by congress to hold in contempt. They didn't need trump's testimony. He would just show up and repeat I plead the 5th anyway. Pence ignored his, too. It's pointless to hold them in contempt and get off focus of actual investigation.",
">\n\nYou're proving my point. Congressional Democrats should have enforced the subpoena and made Trump plead the 5th to every question. Imagine if Pence also appeared and pled the 5th to every question. That is political magic for the Democrats, it makes them look guilty as hell.\nTrump committed a crime, and this is America. It should be the same as if I committed a crime. We would get arrested, taken to jail until the morning, see a judge and face our charges, and then either get released on OR, held for trial, or bail set. It's not much of a democracy if laws are not enforced against powerful people.",
">\n\nOnce you all realize this is just a game and you’re the pawn things will make a lot more sense.",
">\n\nNow hear him cry about never getting a chance to testify when he’s charged.",
">\n\nI see this less as a “you’re excused” and more of a “see you in court”",
">\n\nNo need to bother with it when they've already finished their work. The only thing that testimony would have accomplished would have been getting Trump to look bad on national television, and a potential perjury charge. Trump already has embarrassed himself in public in a massive way since then, and they have bigger crimes to recommend to the DOJ for prosecution.",
">\n\nThe moment they announced the subpoena everyone got a hard on that trump would have to talk. I said it then and I’ll say it again, trump will never have to face any punishment and he doesn’t have to comply to any law or rules. They’re all more suggestions instead of laws.",
">\n\nWhat a waste of fucking time",
">\n\nSo......this was a big fat waste of time and money?",
">\n\nI mean they made a criminal referral so, no? The committee wasn’t set up to solely investigate Dolt 45 and took the testimony of over a thousand people, why is it you believe withdrawing one subpoena because the committee is winding down renders the entire process a “waste of time and money.”",
">\n\nNo mention on CNN that they dropped the subpoena after a year of January 6 January 6 January 6 terrible news station",
">\n\nWell, it’s being run by a Republican so go figure",
">\n\nTalk about the wheels of justice turning slow. In this case reversing altogether. Well done.",
">\n\nI wish this surprised me.",
">\n\nLOL God this is so funny\nWhat the fuck did y'all expect if you have money you are above the law. It only applies to the poor and those who step on the toes of capital.",
">\n\nWhat a waste of money",
">\n\n...And a Happy New Year!",
">\n\nClassic",
">\n\nShocking",
">\n\nOur governing body are a bunch of cowards. The US is being safeguarded by self-interested Congresspersons who speak about accountability and act on cowardice.",
">\n\nLet's be honest he'll get away with everything with a slap on the wrist. This country won't prosecute a sitting or former president or high ranking politician, we've seen this over and over. The whole committee is sadly a publicity stunt to gain traction for Democrat's. I hope I'm completely wrong of course and that this country will start to feel like it's a democracy.",
">\n\nThe coup is in effect.",
">\n\nI have a sad feeling this committee is going to end up like a fart in the wind",
">\n\nYou’re not wrong",
">\n\nWtf are you talking about?",
">\n\nHands",
">\n\nWho are you talking to? Lmao",
">\n\nWent out with a whimper. The most Democrat thing ever.\nWish the Dems would learn how to take the gloves off, at least they would have a shot against an opponent that has no problems filling their gloves with lead shot. Then bragging about it.",
">\n\nThe subpoena, and associated contempt charges would be nothing when compared to the recommendations made by the committee to the DOJ. Whether or not the DOJ will act is all that matters at this point.",
">\n\nPathetic pieces of shit",
">\n\nAll theatre, all the time. Seems like by now, to most people, that somehow being trolled by their favorite elected might be possible.",
">\n\nSo wait, he just gets away with everything? Just like that?\nWhat about all the articles saying that Trump will most likely spend the rest of his life in prison?",
">\n\nThe subpoena has nothing to do with the recommendations made by the committee to the DOJ. The ball is in the DOJ’s court. The subpoena doesn’t impact anything. Absurd that he didn’t get held in contempt, but that is more of a distraction than anything.",
">\n\nI see. Thanks for explaining!",
">\n\nCan anyone explain why he was not arrested for not responding to the subpoena? I thought you had to respond to these?",
">\n\nFirst they would have had to vote for contempt. Then they would need to issue a referral to DOJ, then DOJ would need to consider it. That is not happening in a week before the new congress is sworn in an this committee expires. They have issued their report and no longer need to speak to him. That is why it was withdrawn. Their job is done.",
">\n\nSubpoenas are real, or they’re not.\nIn the real world if any person defied or ignored a subpoena they would be arrested immediately.\nWhy are some Americans allowed to break the law in broad daylight.",
">\n\nWhy is the DOJ dragging its feet in charging anyone?",
">\n\nDOJ has charged over 700 people out of January 6 and they continue to charge cases. Most of these cases took months if not years to come to fruition.\nAt the end of the day DOJ has no obligation to act on any of the committee’s referrals, although I believe they already have ongoing investigations as to several of the subjects. If anything new comes out of the committee’s work it’s unlikely to happen soon.",
">\n\nThe US is beyond broken. The wealthy can do whatever they want while we are the only ones who face consequences. I can’t wait to leave this shithole again. I won’t be making the mistake of coming back like I did last year.",
">\n\nSuch a farce",
">\n\nBut he wanted to appear!!",
">\n\nThe walls are closing in.",
">\n\nOk, people. Quit guilt-edging and go home.",
">\n\nWait so what is Trump a dastardly super villain who keeps getting away or a dumb oaf. You guys just can't decide.",
">\n\nI can’t wait until nothing happens!\nHas it happened yet?",
">\n\n“All animals are equal but some animals are more equal than others.” \nHey, do you think Reddit will ever reach a state of Nirvana where it will stop claiming “Trump is really sweating now!”?",
">\n\nDoes this not set some sort of precedence? If I now get subpoenaed for something can I not just point to Trump/Barr/Holder and say “no thank you”?",
">\n\nWithdrawing a subpoena sets no precedent and is not at all uncommon.",
">\n\nThe subpoena was issued quite some time ago wasn’t it? And he just flat refused. Were Barr and Holder’s also withdrawn?",
">\n\nI saw the headline and thought the committee dropped a subpoena the way you drop an album. Then I read the article and saw that they dropped it like you drop an extra filler track from an album.",
">\n\nIt would have been a waste of time anyway. \n\"Mr. Trump, did you tell your supporters that the election was stolen and send your supporters to violently break into the capitol building to stop Joe Biden from becoming president\"? - January 6th Committee \n\"The fifth\"! - Trump\nDOJ do your job to save this nation from tyranny and further destruction!🙏",
">\n\nSurprised pikachu face",
">\n\nBut these are the same people that wanted peaceful blm protestors bathed in their own blood? What point do we all take this into our own hands",
">\n\nOh, wow. This is really bad for you, US. Like ultra super deluxe so very not good.",
">\n\nLmao…\n“ThE WaLLs arE cLoSIng in”",
">\n\nwell duh...\npolitics from the beginning",
">\n\nWhat an absolute joke.",
">\n\nInb4 trump takes this decision and expresses it as: “completely exonerated!!!”",
">\n\nThey don’t need his testimony. As if he would ever go anywhere close to a government building after the committee’s final report. Just let him relax to make it easier to arrest him",
">\n\nfucking why?",
">\n\nIsn’t the rule that if you don’t comply with a congressional subpoena you can be held in contempt and fined or jailed? Can the House sergeant-at-arms arrest the person?",
">\n\nWow, naw fuck this.",
">\n\nHe wouldn't show up anyways...🐣",
">\n\nTFG is so slippery, Teflon wouldn't stick",
">\n\nNothing will truly come to fruition until we go out into the streets and force this issue ourselves.",
">\n\nWhat’s the point of that?",
">\n\nTold you.",
">\n\nSad, and utterly predictable.\nZero accountability is the death of liberty. Actual freedom means lawlessness, rather than being a nation of laws. \nThe GOP has now proved that no law matters, and that, like Russia, we are a nation governed by the biggest criminal.",
">\n\nHe should be forced to comply, then you can say you are done",
">\n\nAn absolute travesty of justice. I would've said keep the subpoena open forever. If there's some way for the subpoena's issuing body to dissolve without legally dropping the subpoena, thus leaving it in a permanent state of legal limbo, I would have advocated for that, so that the GOP could never whitewash the fact that he defied a lawfully issued subpoena.\nOtherwise, make the GOP drop it themselves; let them be the ones who let him get away with openly flouting a subpoena.",
">\n\nSo that's it???? This ASSHOLE is scott free from prosecution?",
">\n\nWhat a jackass",
">\n\nRepublicans representatives specifically...",
">\n\nIt doesn't matter anymore the witch hunt it over ! HE'S FALLIN IN HIS OWN S**t. Ding dong !",
">\n\nThey don't need him to testify at this point and they, nor anyone believed he would ever testify. They have all the evidence they need to pass on to the DOJ. Trump said he would testify at one point but that was 🐎 💩",
">\n\nNice cope posts!",
">\n\nTbh, I'm not sure it would be of any value for him to appear. It's not like they don't already have more than enough for DOJ to charge him with criminal acts, which the Committee cannot do, regardless. The real question is what DOJ will do.",
">\n\nI knew it all the build up was for show.",
">\n\nHonestly probably for the better. Nothing would’ve been accomplished and there’s a lot of examples he can bring up of dems trying fishy stuff in 2016. Is it at the level of what trump did? No. But it’s similar enough to make things difficult"
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He was right, “ I could stand in the middle of 5th Avenue and shoot somebody and I would not lose voters”, only now he could rephrase his quote and say “I could stand in the middle of 5th Avenue and shoot somebody and not get arrested”. It’s high time for the Dems to give up on this persecution and put their energy and zeal into enacting some some legislation that benefits their constituents. Then they could run on their record instead of “vote for me, I’m not Trump”.
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"So far Trump's legal strategy of ignoring calls for accountability until Republicans in Congress can bail him out is workingly flawlessly.",
">\n\nThat doesn’t mean the DoJ can’t charge and prosecute. \nRight now everything is in response to republicans getting their slim majority in the house and lessen the damage they will do.\nThat said, they still have the mountain of evidence they did gather",
">\n\nWhat about when the AG/DOJ is a GOP appointee? You don’t think they’ll just put in a Bill Barr type on the entire thing?",
">\n\nNot while they have a democratic president and especially when the previous president lost them the midterms.\nThey were already planning on replacing trump with Desantes by equating the 2 (Martha’s Vineyard was part of that), they’re only gonna lose trying to put their party’s future on the line protect him further.\nThey gonna continue to spread doubt and try to discredit the investigations, but they’re barely holding onto a branch of government, they’re not stupid. Barr only worked because they held onto 2",
">\n\nUmmm that’s not what I meant. If a GOP candidate for President wins in 2024 , what are the actual legal implications. It’s not like it’s below them to interfere like they did with the collusion charges",
">\n\n\nThe House January 6 committee is withdrawing its subpoena of former President Donald Trump as it concludes its work.\n“In light of the imminent end of our investigation, the Select Committee can no longer pursue the specific information covered by the subpoena,” Chairman Bennie Thompson, a Mississippi Democrat, wrote in a letter to Trump’s attorney Wednesday obtained by CNN.\n“Therefore, through this letter, I hereby formally withdraw the subpoena issued to former President Trump, and notify you that he is no longer obligated to comply or produce records in response to said subpoena,” Thompson added.",
">\n\nConclusion: Former president Trump is above the law.",
">\n\nYeah kind of makes me sad. Trump can just ignore a subpoena, with zero consequences. \n“We believe you tried to overthrow the government. You are legally required to come talk to us about it.”\n“No thanks.”\n“Oh. Ok, never mind.”",
">\n\nNo consequences? He's has been referred to the DOJ for obstruction of a govt processing last week. They held a recorded vote.",
">\n\nThat’s not a consequence. It’s kicking the can. Trump will never, ever be held responsible for his role in destroying democracy in America.",
">\n\nThis is not TV or a movie. \"The wheels of justice grind slowly yet exceedingly fine\" is a saying for a reason. Federal investigations usually take years.",
">\n\nHe’s been investigated for years. No consequences. Just special appointments, investigations, and referrals. In the mean time, you know who DOES face consequences?\nAmerica.",
">\n\nYou are judging the end of the movie before it is over.\nThe previous investigations were being done while he had the shield of the presidency and an attorney general running obstruction for him. None of that is true now.",
">\n\nThe GOP will continue fighting on his behalf, because the majority are complicit in 45’s fuckery. Again, no consequences will be had. I’m willing to wager a gift card to your favorite local restaurant that he will live fat, rich, and free until at least the 2024/25 inauguration. Save this post.",
">\n\nWe'll see about that. I'll admit to the loss if thats the case.",
">\n\nMore proof that we the people have no rights in comparison to the billionaire ticks.",
">\n\nDude ain't no billionaire",
">\n\nNo, but his buddies are.",
">\n\nHis puppet masters maybe",
">\n\nI mean, who would have thought not starting the fight sooner would end like this?",
">\n\nDon’t worry. He’s got so many more coming.",
">\n\nThe idea that Trump will pay any price for his crimes is a fantasy.",
">\n\nIt’s actually happening. His company has been found guilty. His charity is closed. His cohorts are about to go to jail. His popularity sagging. Protection is gone. We just need the first indictment.",
">\n\nBut none is him",
">\n\nWell Trump Org is pretty much him but be patient.",
">\n\nDrops in the bucket. \nBeen patient for like 6 years now. How much more we gotta wait?",
">\n\nHe couldn’t be prosecuted while president. Watch GA and the special prosecutor. They’re moving fast.",
">\n\nCouldn't be?\nShould have been.",
">\n\nThat’s absolutely wild that any man is able to just straight up ignore a subpoena with zero consequences. Definition of “above the law”. If he gets away with this, he is going to be more dangerous than ever. You get away with leading a coup/insurrection, you’re going to assume you can get away with literally anything. \nMaybe trump was right… he really could shoot someone in the middle of 5th avenue and not lose any voters…and also probably not even get in trouble",
">\n\nSerious questions...so the committee pull the subpoena, but it's up to DOJ for any additional follow up, but when the new congress is in session they can tell DOJ to drop everything? Is that how's its going to go down? Because I thought DOJ is supposed to be independent once given the committee's findings?",
">\n\nThe DOJ is certainly independent of Congress. As for the committee - the only thing they would've done differently was vote on a criminal referral for contempt of Congress. Although there is some truth to congressional contempt needing to stem from congress, The DOJ has no obligation to act on a referral - it is more akin to a recommendation.\nWith that being said, the committee knew it wasn't going to serve any real benefit, so they decided not to.\n\nThe DOJ decided not to prosecute Meadows and Scavino for contempt due to their close ties to the executive. This pretty much ruled out any chance of it happening to Trump, a former President. \nEven a completely successful referral (Steve Bannon) showed how inconsequential Congressional subpoena power is. For one, it is a misdemeanor. It has been ~15 months since Bannon was referred, and he was found guilty and sentenced, and he is still a free man pending appeal. And even if upheld, it's only 4 months in prison as just shy of maximum sentencing guidelines. \nThe DOJ, if they prosecute, are aiming at much bigger crimes - notably Obstruction of an Official Proceeding, which carries up to 20 years. And they'd be potentially trying these crimes in the same jurisdiction.\n\nSo I'm sure the calculation was that it just wasn't worth throwing a referral at the DOJ for something they'd never follow up on, and wouldn't be much benefit if they did.",
">\n\nIn summary, he’s committed so many crimes that this one isn’t worth any effort",
">\n\nEssentially, yeah. The DOJ has two big chances to secure a conviction: Mar-A-Lago and Jan. 6 - and they will likely bring multiple charges in a D.C. court if they decide to prosecute. Mar-A-Lago will come first, which has virtually nothing to do with this committee's work.\nReferring a misdemeanor to tack onto 4 serious felonies they referred probably only risked muddying the larger offenses. Can't blame them honestly.",
">\n\nWhat is “Mar a Lago” in this context! The tax scheme? Classified documents?",
">\n\nThe classified documents",
">\n\nSmall point but they weren't all classified and don't need to be, for what he did to be illegal. Just trying to avoid republican framing.",
">\n\nHillary was not afraid to testify every time she was asked (and testified for hours and hours each time, answering all questions asked) and never took the 5th. Yet republicans act like she is the criminal when it always has been trump.",
">\n\nEven if she was wrong she was smarter than any of the R in the room. That woman was a machine during those hearings and gave them nothing to work with.",
">\n\nShe is definitely smarter than that barrel of monkeys who questioned her, but ultimately, there was nothing to get from her - the perfect opposite case of crimey benedict donald and his co-conspirators.",
">\n\nIt's interesting to see that people think this subpoena would have continued to exist past Jan 3, 2023 given that that's when ALL open subpoenas from the outgoing congress expire and become null and void. Even if the J6 committee continued to exist- they would be required to file a brand new one in the new session.",
">\n\nIt wouldn't be that hard to file a brand new subpoena, they have lawyers who work full-time for them. That isn't an obstacle.",
">\n\nExcept for the committee doesn't exist in the new Congress and they have no powers to do anything if they don't exist.",
">\n\nIt's easy to get the two confused a lot of times.",
">\n\nHow many of y'all actually thought he wasn't going to run out the clock? \nNothing will fundamentally change.",
">\n\nNobody. The “justice takes time” chorus that dominated the narrative was only here to quell social unrest so society didn’t take a dive while the rich mocked us from their golden pedestals.",
">\n\nSerious question: Why? So what if the Dems lose power in the Congress. Let the Republicans be the one to formally dismantle the committee and subpoena on record. Then when hopefully Trump is charged by the DOJ, dems have another talking point for 2024 that the Republicans hate law and order and protect mob bosses.",
">\n\nThe select committee expires at the end of the congressional session. So they do not need to question him because the committee will not exist.",
">\n\nBut what is the point of formally withdrawing the subpoena? What does it accomplish?",
">\n\nThe committee is over. They have issued the report, they are closing up shop. They are following the process. A secondary part of the committees job was to show how a REAL congressional hearing should be handled. None of that sloppy ass grandstanding they did for Benghazi",
">\n\nMy viewpoint is that Trump and the GOP are just going to use this as “proof” that he did nothing wrong. Remember how the Mueller report “exonerated” Trump? His base believes this shit wholeheartedly and I guarantee he will use this as “evidence” for his innocence.\nShowing how things SHOULD be handled instead of taking whatever measures needed to protect Americans lead to Jan 6th happening in the first place. We all know how things should be handled, how the rules should work, but one side is willing to do whatever they need to keep power and the other is getting walked over.\nIs taking the high road worth letting fascism into our government?",
">\n\nIt’s good to know that republicans are allowed to ignore subpoenas. That’s useful info for them. Don’t expect dems to get that treatment",
">\n\nThey dropped the ball in not issuing one a couple of months ago",
">\n\nActually the Democrats have done everything not to ever pick up the ball even once. They let trump appointed republicans appoint a republican special counsel to fall like a straw man to blatant obstruction in the Russia probe. They turned it into a fundraiser for campaigning. \nThis time they let liz Cheney take the reins, who was able to preserve her republican prerogatives throughout this entire ordeal. \nThe fact is that you're all being cucked by forces of controlled opposition and I'm apparently the only one in the world who can't be so easily mitigated.\nI can't depend on any of you anymore than you can depend on yourselves.",
">\n\nYou lost all credibility at the end when you said cuck and act like you’re the smartest person in the world. Be gone!",
">\n\nYeah, I don't know how anyone can be expected to be taken seriously using that whole sentence unironically.",
">\n\nI don't expect to be taken seriously whether I say it or not, yet the facts remain as I've described.",
">\n\nI didn’t see that coming, said absolutely no one.",
">\n\nWhy.",
">\n\nHUGE mistake. The committee will be dissolved by the GOPers in a couple weeks, and all this did was to give the Marmalade Moses another fake victory to rile up his lemmings.",
">\n\nIt’s funny because I say the same thing every time about trump never getting charged and I always get shit about it like BUT NO THIS TIME IS DIFFERENT. \nLmao right. Sure it is.",
">\n\nFucking same. This is just more “ammo” for his orange, shit spewing mouth.",
">\n\nThis guy is still getting more media coverage than the current potus two years into his term. Crazy.",
">\n\nIt does blow that he wasn't forced to comply with the subpoena but for people thinking what a bummer this seems like, the house is switching to a republican majority in like a week so it didn't make a whole lot of sense to leave an active subpoena on record knowing it would never be resolved. They likely knew he wasn't going to comply when it was issued only now its offical that it was officially issued, ignored by trump, and terminated. Who knows if the DOJ will eventually file but everyone pretty much already knew that little temper tantrum trump wasn't going to aid in his own house sedition investigation.",
">\n\nIf we restrict ourselves to the issue of compliance with a subpoena from this committee, then the recent election clearly mooted every aspect of penalties or consequences related to ignoring the subpoena.\nIt's like a big brother was called over and little bro wanted him to force his adversary to bow and kiss the ground. But by the time big bro finally wanders over, the kid goes \"nah... we're good.\"\nA lot of folk like to believe contempt of court or contempt of congress is like any other crime where you do the deed and have to face the punishment. But, in general, these things do not work like crimes. Even where contempt has been codified such that there is a criminal contempt aspect, the goal remains to seek or to force compliance. This leads to \"punishments\" which are better or worse depending on how you view things. A simple view is that you could be \"sentenced\" to indefinite incarceration because it's a \"jailed until compliance\" thing.\nIn this case, Congress has been very, very reticent to try to use their inherent power to jail someone. So the most they ever do these days is refer the case to the DoJ to pursue criminal contempt of congress.\nAll in all, is this a \"good\" thing? Maybe it's not as bad as we feel it to be. Imagine any sort of argument where someone demands you do something. You retort \"are you sure?\" Bystanders urge folk cool down and think about it. Map that into the way Congress changes every two years and you get a sense that unless something is important enough that it remains after the public alters the composition of the legislative branch, maybe it's not all that important (to the public) after all.\nOn the other hand, why would anyone fear Congress when they demonstrate time and again there never really are any consequences for refusal to comply with subpoenas? But... do we want to quake in fear whenever some nutjob party gains control and enacts something as dire as the Committee on Unamerican Activities?",
">\n\nWhat is the advantage of dropping the subpoena, as opposed to just letting it expire/letting the new congress withdraw it? Why go on record saying he no longer has to come in? I get that he was never going to show, I’m just curious why this is better than the alternative.",
">\n\nI’m wondering this too. There has to be a good reason.",
">\n\n?? Why, like it had no power, but still why? This looks like weakness",
">\n\nThe subpoena expires when the new congress is sworn in on Jan 3rd. There was no practical way to enforce it.",
">\n\nWhy not just let it expire?\nNow Republicans have a talking point that the January 6th Committee withdrew their subpoena.\nThey'll use it to muddy the waters and spread more misinformation.",
">\n\nThey already had their talking points. They've had them the whole time. They already released a \"counter report\" to the J6 committee. The committee withdrew it because they are closing up shop. The report is out. Where would Donnie's answers go?",
">\n\nWhy was he not charged with contempt for no show? Once again, he gets let off for bad behaviour",
">\n\nBecause they referred him for 4 much more serious crimes with longer sentences. Referring him for this is essentially pointless.",
">\n\nYes, but i see it as another nail in the coffin, and also sends a message that subpoenas are not to be ignored",
">\n\nImagine if you or I tried to just ignore a subpoena.",
">\n\nIt’s OK if you’re a Republican, as the war criminal’s daughter who voted in line with Trump’s policies during her House tenure can attest.",
">\n\nAnother instance of unequal justice under the law, imo. If you or I disregarded a subpoena from Congress we'd be going to jail...like Steve Bannon.",
">\n\nDrag it out, do nothing, repeat. Glad the J6 group produced a ton of info and exposed a lot of the bs but what's the point of nothing really happens? Media circus? I'm so tired.",
">\n\nGreat precedent. It's good to know if I'm ever subpoenaed by congress I can just ignore it.",
">\n\nJ6 knew he'd puss out and just wanted to get it on the record. And for the same reason they haven't gone after Meadows for ignoring his subpoena, are all of the other serious crimes hanging over him and the orange Traitor in Chief, especially now, the subpoenas aren't worth the time and effort.",
">\n\n\nAnd for the same reason they haven't gone after Meadows for ignoring his subpoena\n\nTo be fair... the House voted him in criminal contempt and sent the referral to that to the DoJ. There wasn't really anything they could do beyond that with respect to his subpoena (yes, inherent contempt in theory exists, in practice it would have been useless for multiple reasons).\nMeadows is also included in the big criminal referrals the committee issued as part of their report as well.",
">\n\nAs usual, this country’s justice system is a joke",
">\n\nThis was a subpoena issued by the congress, not DOJ. He would be arrested if this was subpoena by DOJ and he didn’t show.",
">\n\nLike I said lol this country’s justice system is a joke",
">\n\nBut the justice system has not been involved yet!!! Congressional hearing is not an example of the justice system. The congress has referred the case to the DOJ or “the justice system” as a result of their hearing. DOJ will pursue a criminal investigation and pursue charges. \nJudiciary (justice system as you call it), congress, and executive branches are constitutionally separate and independent to ensure checks and balances.\nJustice system in the US is not ideal, but this specific instance is not an example of these inefficiencies. This is an example of how the congress has been ineffective in doing their legislative actions. In this instance the correct statement would be “Legislative system in this country is a joke.” Justice system has not had a chance to show its incompetence yet. That will be next.",
">\n\nNaive of you to think this is anything more than a show they’re putting on. Nothing will come of it, democrats are by nature pussies let’s be real. None have any teeth or claws. The right is full of a bunch of tribalistic monkeys, party is apparently more important than country. I guess I can rephrase, besides making money and being the best business in the world, America is a joke.",
">\n\n\"OMG. I'm so outraged by this even though I have no idea why.\"\nIt'd be nice if you guys learned the difference between the subpoena and the criminal referral. trump was never going to show up for the subpoena especially since the GOP is about to take control. It's a completely moot point.",
">\n\nExactly. The committee already referred him to the DoJ on criminal charges. Everyone is acting like they're just taking their ball and going home. They already went well and beyond a mere subpoena here, and one of the charges that they're recommending is obstruction already.",
">\n\nAren’t subpoenas mandatory with consequences? Either you show up or go to jail. Trump did neither.",
">\n\nNot if you are rich. Laws are you only for the the lower 90%",
">\n\nThis is such bullshit.",
">\n\nAnother precedent set for rich criminals to not comply. If we citizens didn’t show we’d be at a black site with electrodes on our genitals.",
">\n\nThey should have charged Trump with contempt of Congress.",
">\n\nSo whens the next uprising on behalf of rich people? Just be sure you're actually a political player because if you're just a worker you'll be charged. Chess has really changed over the past hundred years.",
">\n\nTotally expected. \nTrump, the really TV star, said he'd only agree to answer the subpoena if it were live & televised. It's quite obvious the reason is that he'd ignore the questioning & use the free air time to spew his BS, much like in the Presidential debates. \nAnd I'm sure the incoming Republican House would have loved to have given him the opportunity",
">\n\nyeah kinda moot at this point , they already made those criminal referrals anyways lol i wish they would have perused charging him for not showing up however but maybe they figured in light of everything they should focus on the key issues and at this point whatever he had to say really doesnt matter anyways as he would just lie. his testimony would pretty much be useless. its still a shame we didnt get to see it just for historys sake lol",
">\n\nAl trump would do is take the 5th like any other ordinary criminal",
">\n\nSo far as things have gone, will it now be ok for Democrats to ignore all the subpoenas that this next R House is going to send around? I’d think so….",
">\n\nOur government has failed us.... Good luck everyone.",
">\n\nAh yes the criminal Justice system, quite possibly the longest running joke in America",
">\n\n& you just know the cheeto will say something like, ha!, they dropped the subpoena cause they knew I am innocent, or some 💩 like that",
">\n\nNo surprise there. Trump is above the law, as he has proven time and again, over and over throughout the last several years. \nI will be surprised if anything comes out of this investigation, at all. \nI will be surprised if the next republican president isn't worse than Trump. \nI mean seriously, how do they convict him of anything if they can't even call him for questioning. Ever heard of anyone, ever, to get convicted of a crime that didn't have to talk to investigators at some point? \nFuck America. Fuck Trump. And fuck the pussy ass people who refuse to do their fucking job.",
">\n\nThey dropped it because it wasn't necessary and would have given him a national platform needlessly. DOJ will pass to the special council which will bring formal charges, if any will be brought.",
">\n\nThis is actually heartbreaking. Seen a lot of politicians and people of note show time and time again that the rules for EVERY CITIZEN don’t apply to them and this stings just a little more",
">\n\nMy theory that he is blackmailing everyone from the White House down with Area 51 malarky is still holding water...",
">\n\nLet us all start committing crimes and see how that goes, this is bs",
">\n\nSuch bs. I knew he would sleeze his way out of any consequences for his actions. This will only embolden him & his lunatic followers. He incites a riot that kills people & gets away with it. If any of us incited a riot, we would still be in jail & if people died during the riot, we would be charged with murder as well. So sick & tired of the double standard when it comes to a president who breaks the law & walks away, just like nixon did.",
">\n\nshould not have dropped\nshould have referred it to doj for contempt of congress...\nwhite rich continue to get a pass for what the rest of us would have long ago been prosecuted and imprisoned...",
">\n\nThey already referred him to DOJ for obstruction of a govt proceeding last week. What are you talking about?",
">\n\nYeah, because why would you want to subpoena the guy who was completely responsible for the entire thing?\nThe Chuck Schumer neoliberals have engineered this to completely let Trump get away with it - because they think the Republicans are still their friends and they don't want to piss them off!",
">\n\nThey subpoenaed trump months ago. He declined to show. Since, investigation is over, they dropped it. This is not even really news worthy.",
">\n\nHalf the people in this thread have no idea what they're talking about and are confusing the subpoena with the criminal referral.",
">\n\nOh, is that what's going on? Lol. I was wondering why ppl are making a big deal about this. This is just the committee cleaning up loose ends.",
">\n\nIt's a big deal if someone who's now a private citizen, can do wtf he wants and ignore a Congressional subpoena.",
">\n\nIt takes votes by congress to hold in contempt. They didn't need trump's testimony. He would just show up and repeat I plead the 5th anyway. Pence ignored his, too. It's pointless to hold them in contempt and get off focus of actual investigation.",
">\n\nYou're proving my point. Congressional Democrats should have enforced the subpoena and made Trump plead the 5th to every question. Imagine if Pence also appeared and pled the 5th to every question. That is political magic for the Democrats, it makes them look guilty as hell.\nTrump committed a crime, and this is America. It should be the same as if I committed a crime. We would get arrested, taken to jail until the morning, see a judge and face our charges, and then either get released on OR, held for trial, or bail set. It's not much of a democracy if laws are not enforced against powerful people.",
">\n\nOnce you all realize this is just a game and you’re the pawn things will make a lot more sense.",
">\n\nNow hear him cry about never getting a chance to testify when he’s charged.",
">\n\nI see this less as a “you’re excused” and more of a “see you in court”",
">\n\nNo need to bother with it when they've already finished their work. The only thing that testimony would have accomplished would have been getting Trump to look bad on national television, and a potential perjury charge. Trump already has embarrassed himself in public in a massive way since then, and they have bigger crimes to recommend to the DOJ for prosecution.",
">\n\nThe moment they announced the subpoena everyone got a hard on that trump would have to talk. I said it then and I’ll say it again, trump will never have to face any punishment and he doesn’t have to comply to any law or rules. They’re all more suggestions instead of laws.",
">\n\nWhat a waste of fucking time",
">\n\nSo......this was a big fat waste of time and money?",
">\n\nI mean they made a criminal referral so, no? The committee wasn’t set up to solely investigate Dolt 45 and took the testimony of over a thousand people, why is it you believe withdrawing one subpoena because the committee is winding down renders the entire process a “waste of time and money.”",
">\n\nNo mention on CNN that they dropped the subpoena after a year of January 6 January 6 January 6 terrible news station",
">\n\nWell, it’s being run by a Republican so go figure",
">\n\nTalk about the wheels of justice turning slow. In this case reversing altogether. Well done.",
">\n\nI wish this surprised me.",
">\n\nLOL God this is so funny\nWhat the fuck did y'all expect if you have money you are above the law. It only applies to the poor and those who step on the toes of capital.",
">\n\nWhat a waste of money",
">\n\n...And a Happy New Year!",
">\n\nClassic",
">\n\nShocking",
">\n\nOur governing body are a bunch of cowards. The US is being safeguarded by self-interested Congresspersons who speak about accountability and act on cowardice.",
">\n\nLet's be honest he'll get away with everything with a slap on the wrist. This country won't prosecute a sitting or former president or high ranking politician, we've seen this over and over. The whole committee is sadly a publicity stunt to gain traction for Democrat's. I hope I'm completely wrong of course and that this country will start to feel like it's a democracy.",
">\n\nThe coup is in effect.",
">\n\nI have a sad feeling this committee is going to end up like a fart in the wind",
">\n\nYou’re not wrong",
">\n\nWtf are you talking about?",
">\n\nHands",
">\n\nWho are you talking to? Lmao",
">\n\nWent out with a whimper. The most Democrat thing ever.\nWish the Dems would learn how to take the gloves off, at least they would have a shot against an opponent that has no problems filling their gloves with lead shot. Then bragging about it.",
">\n\nThe subpoena, and associated contempt charges would be nothing when compared to the recommendations made by the committee to the DOJ. Whether or not the DOJ will act is all that matters at this point.",
">\n\nPathetic pieces of shit",
">\n\nAll theatre, all the time. Seems like by now, to most people, that somehow being trolled by their favorite elected might be possible.",
">\n\nSo wait, he just gets away with everything? Just like that?\nWhat about all the articles saying that Trump will most likely spend the rest of his life in prison?",
">\n\nThe subpoena has nothing to do with the recommendations made by the committee to the DOJ. The ball is in the DOJ’s court. The subpoena doesn’t impact anything. Absurd that he didn’t get held in contempt, but that is more of a distraction than anything.",
">\n\nI see. Thanks for explaining!",
">\n\nCan anyone explain why he was not arrested for not responding to the subpoena? I thought you had to respond to these?",
">\n\nFirst they would have had to vote for contempt. Then they would need to issue a referral to DOJ, then DOJ would need to consider it. That is not happening in a week before the new congress is sworn in an this committee expires. They have issued their report and no longer need to speak to him. That is why it was withdrawn. Their job is done.",
">\n\nSubpoenas are real, or they’re not.\nIn the real world if any person defied or ignored a subpoena they would be arrested immediately.\nWhy are some Americans allowed to break the law in broad daylight.",
">\n\nWhy is the DOJ dragging its feet in charging anyone?",
">\n\nDOJ has charged over 700 people out of January 6 and they continue to charge cases. Most of these cases took months if not years to come to fruition.\nAt the end of the day DOJ has no obligation to act on any of the committee’s referrals, although I believe they already have ongoing investigations as to several of the subjects. If anything new comes out of the committee’s work it’s unlikely to happen soon.",
">\n\nThe US is beyond broken. The wealthy can do whatever they want while we are the only ones who face consequences. I can’t wait to leave this shithole again. I won’t be making the mistake of coming back like I did last year.",
">\n\nSuch a farce",
">\n\nBut he wanted to appear!!",
">\n\nThe walls are closing in.",
">\n\nOk, people. Quit guilt-edging and go home.",
">\n\nWait so what is Trump a dastardly super villain who keeps getting away or a dumb oaf. You guys just can't decide.",
">\n\nI can’t wait until nothing happens!\nHas it happened yet?",
">\n\n“All animals are equal but some animals are more equal than others.” \nHey, do you think Reddit will ever reach a state of Nirvana where it will stop claiming “Trump is really sweating now!”?",
">\n\nDoes this not set some sort of precedence? If I now get subpoenaed for something can I not just point to Trump/Barr/Holder and say “no thank you”?",
">\n\nWithdrawing a subpoena sets no precedent and is not at all uncommon.",
">\n\nThe subpoena was issued quite some time ago wasn’t it? And he just flat refused. Were Barr and Holder’s also withdrawn?",
">\n\nI saw the headline and thought the committee dropped a subpoena the way you drop an album. Then I read the article and saw that they dropped it like you drop an extra filler track from an album.",
">\n\nIt would have been a waste of time anyway. \n\"Mr. Trump, did you tell your supporters that the election was stolen and send your supporters to violently break into the capitol building to stop Joe Biden from becoming president\"? - January 6th Committee \n\"The fifth\"! - Trump\nDOJ do your job to save this nation from tyranny and further destruction!🙏",
">\n\nSurprised pikachu face",
">\n\nBut these are the same people that wanted peaceful blm protestors bathed in their own blood? What point do we all take this into our own hands",
">\n\nOh, wow. This is really bad for you, US. Like ultra super deluxe so very not good.",
">\n\nLmao…\n“ThE WaLLs arE cLoSIng in”",
">\n\nwell duh...\npolitics from the beginning",
">\n\nWhat an absolute joke.",
">\n\nInb4 trump takes this decision and expresses it as: “completely exonerated!!!”",
">\n\nThey don’t need his testimony. As if he would ever go anywhere close to a government building after the committee’s final report. Just let him relax to make it easier to arrest him",
">\n\nfucking why?",
">\n\nIsn’t the rule that if you don’t comply with a congressional subpoena you can be held in contempt and fined or jailed? Can the House sergeant-at-arms arrest the person?",
">\n\nWow, naw fuck this.",
">\n\nHe wouldn't show up anyways...🐣",
">\n\nTFG is so slippery, Teflon wouldn't stick",
">\n\nNothing will truly come to fruition until we go out into the streets and force this issue ourselves.",
">\n\nWhat’s the point of that?",
">\n\nTold you.",
">\n\nSad, and utterly predictable.\nZero accountability is the death of liberty. Actual freedom means lawlessness, rather than being a nation of laws. \nThe GOP has now proved that no law matters, and that, like Russia, we are a nation governed by the biggest criminal.",
">\n\nHe should be forced to comply, then you can say you are done",
">\n\nAn absolute travesty of justice. I would've said keep the subpoena open forever. If there's some way for the subpoena's issuing body to dissolve without legally dropping the subpoena, thus leaving it in a permanent state of legal limbo, I would have advocated for that, so that the GOP could never whitewash the fact that he defied a lawfully issued subpoena.\nOtherwise, make the GOP drop it themselves; let them be the ones who let him get away with openly flouting a subpoena.",
">\n\nSo that's it???? This ASSHOLE is scott free from prosecution?",
">\n\nWhat a jackass",
">\n\nRepublicans representatives specifically...",
">\n\nIt doesn't matter anymore the witch hunt it over ! HE'S FALLIN IN HIS OWN S**t. Ding dong !",
">\n\nThey don't need him to testify at this point and they, nor anyone believed he would ever testify. They have all the evidence they need to pass on to the DOJ. Trump said he would testify at one point but that was 🐎 💩",
">\n\nNice cope posts!",
">\n\nTbh, I'm not sure it would be of any value for him to appear. It's not like they don't already have more than enough for DOJ to charge him with criminal acts, which the Committee cannot do, regardless. The real question is what DOJ will do.",
">\n\nI knew it all the build up was for show.",
">\n\nHonestly probably for the better. Nothing would’ve been accomplished and there’s a lot of examples he can bring up of dems trying fishy stuff in 2016. Is it at the level of what trump did? No. But it’s similar enough to make things difficult",
">\n\nSo a subpoena is really only a suggestion?"
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The cynic in me says: The midterms are over. This 'walls closing in" BS is also over. With this dismal result, I'm guessing mileqtoast Merrick also won;t get anything actually done on the DOJ side. He just doesn;t have the nuts to see it through. Nothing is going to stick to this orange guy.
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"So far Trump's legal strategy of ignoring calls for accountability until Republicans in Congress can bail him out is workingly flawlessly.",
">\n\nThat doesn’t mean the DoJ can’t charge and prosecute. \nRight now everything is in response to republicans getting their slim majority in the house and lessen the damage they will do.\nThat said, they still have the mountain of evidence they did gather",
">\n\nWhat about when the AG/DOJ is a GOP appointee? You don’t think they’ll just put in a Bill Barr type on the entire thing?",
">\n\nNot while they have a democratic president and especially when the previous president lost them the midterms.\nThey were already planning on replacing trump with Desantes by equating the 2 (Martha’s Vineyard was part of that), they’re only gonna lose trying to put their party’s future on the line protect him further.\nThey gonna continue to spread doubt and try to discredit the investigations, but they’re barely holding onto a branch of government, they’re not stupid. Barr only worked because they held onto 2",
">\n\nUmmm that’s not what I meant. If a GOP candidate for President wins in 2024 , what are the actual legal implications. It’s not like it’s below them to interfere like they did with the collusion charges",
">\n\n\nThe House January 6 committee is withdrawing its subpoena of former President Donald Trump as it concludes its work.\n“In light of the imminent end of our investigation, the Select Committee can no longer pursue the specific information covered by the subpoena,” Chairman Bennie Thompson, a Mississippi Democrat, wrote in a letter to Trump’s attorney Wednesday obtained by CNN.\n“Therefore, through this letter, I hereby formally withdraw the subpoena issued to former President Trump, and notify you that he is no longer obligated to comply or produce records in response to said subpoena,” Thompson added.",
">\n\nConclusion: Former president Trump is above the law.",
">\n\nYeah kind of makes me sad. Trump can just ignore a subpoena, with zero consequences. \n“We believe you tried to overthrow the government. You are legally required to come talk to us about it.”\n“No thanks.”\n“Oh. Ok, never mind.”",
">\n\nNo consequences? He's has been referred to the DOJ for obstruction of a govt processing last week. They held a recorded vote.",
">\n\nThat’s not a consequence. It’s kicking the can. Trump will never, ever be held responsible for his role in destroying democracy in America.",
">\n\nThis is not TV or a movie. \"The wheels of justice grind slowly yet exceedingly fine\" is a saying for a reason. Federal investigations usually take years.",
">\n\nHe’s been investigated for years. No consequences. Just special appointments, investigations, and referrals. In the mean time, you know who DOES face consequences?\nAmerica.",
">\n\nYou are judging the end of the movie before it is over.\nThe previous investigations were being done while he had the shield of the presidency and an attorney general running obstruction for him. None of that is true now.",
">\n\nThe GOP will continue fighting on his behalf, because the majority are complicit in 45’s fuckery. Again, no consequences will be had. I’m willing to wager a gift card to your favorite local restaurant that he will live fat, rich, and free until at least the 2024/25 inauguration. Save this post.",
">\n\nWe'll see about that. I'll admit to the loss if thats the case.",
">\n\nMore proof that we the people have no rights in comparison to the billionaire ticks.",
">\n\nDude ain't no billionaire",
">\n\nNo, but his buddies are.",
">\n\nHis puppet masters maybe",
">\n\nI mean, who would have thought not starting the fight sooner would end like this?",
">\n\nDon’t worry. He’s got so many more coming.",
">\n\nThe idea that Trump will pay any price for his crimes is a fantasy.",
">\n\nIt’s actually happening. His company has been found guilty. His charity is closed. His cohorts are about to go to jail. His popularity sagging. Protection is gone. We just need the first indictment.",
">\n\nBut none is him",
">\n\nWell Trump Org is pretty much him but be patient.",
">\n\nDrops in the bucket. \nBeen patient for like 6 years now. How much more we gotta wait?",
">\n\nHe couldn’t be prosecuted while president. Watch GA and the special prosecutor. They’re moving fast.",
">\n\nCouldn't be?\nShould have been.",
">\n\nThat’s absolutely wild that any man is able to just straight up ignore a subpoena with zero consequences. Definition of “above the law”. If he gets away with this, he is going to be more dangerous than ever. You get away with leading a coup/insurrection, you’re going to assume you can get away with literally anything. \nMaybe trump was right… he really could shoot someone in the middle of 5th avenue and not lose any voters…and also probably not even get in trouble",
">\n\nSerious questions...so the committee pull the subpoena, but it's up to DOJ for any additional follow up, but when the new congress is in session they can tell DOJ to drop everything? Is that how's its going to go down? Because I thought DOJ is supposed to be independent once given the committee's findings?",
">\n\nThe DOJ is certainly independent of Congress. As for the committee - the only thing they would've done differently was vote on a criminal referral for contempt of Congress. Although there is some truth to congressional contempt needing to stem from congress, The DOJ has no obligation to act on a referral - it is more akin to a recommendation.\nWith that being said, the committee knew it wasn't going to serve any real benefit, so they decided not to.\n\nThe DOJ decided not to prosecute Meadows and Scavino for contempt due to their close ties to the executive. This pretty much ruled out any chance of it happening to Trump, a former President. \nEven a completely successful referral (Steve Bannon) showed how inconsequential Congressional subpoena power is. For one, it is a misdemeanor. It has been ~15 months since Bannon was referred, and he was found guilty and sentenced, and he is still a free man pending appeal. And even if upheld, it's only 4 months in prison as just shy of maximum sentencing guidelines. \nThe DOJ, if they prosecute, are aiming at much bigger crimes - notably Obstruction of an Official Proceeding, which carries up to 20 years. And they'd be potentially trying these crimes in the same jurisdiction.\n\nSo I'm sure the calculation was that it just wasn't worth throwing a referral at the DOJ for something they'd never follow up on, and wouldn't be much benefit if they did.",
">\n\nIn summary, he’s committed so many crimes that this one isn’t worth any effort",
">\n\nEssentially, yeah. The DOJ has two big chances to secure a conviction: Mar-A-Lago and Jan. 6 - and they will likely bring multiple charges in a D.C. court if they decide to prosecute. Mar-A-Lago will come first, which has virtually nothing to do with this committee's work.\nReferring a misdemeanor to tack onto 4 serious felonies they referred probably only risked muddying the larger offenses. Can't blame them honestly.",
">\n\nWhat is “Mar a Lago” in this context! The tax scheme? Classified documents?",
">\n\nThe classified documents",
">\n\nSmall point but they weren't all classified and don't need to be, for what he did to be illegal. Just trying to avoid republican framing.",
">\n\nHillary was not afraid to testify every time she was asked (and testified for hours and hours each time, answering all questions asked) and never took the 5th. Yet republicans act like she is the criminal when it always has been trump.",
">\n\nEven if she was wrong she was smarter than any of the R in the room. That woman was a machine during those hearings and gave them nothing to work with.",
">\n\nShe is definitely smarter than that barrel of monkeys who questioned her, but ultimately, there was nothing to get from her - the perfect opposite case of crimey benedict donald and his co-conspirators.",
">\n\nIt's interesting to see that people think this subpoena would have continued to exist past Jan 3, 2023 given that that's when ALL open subpoenas from the outgoing congress expire and become null and void. Even if the J6 committee continued to exist- they would be required to file a brand new one in the new session.",
">\n\nIt wouldn't be that hard to file a brand new subpoena, they have lawyers who work full-time for them. That isn't an obstacle.",
">\n\nExcept for the committee doesn't exist in the new Congress and they have no powers to do anything if they don't exist.",
">\n\nIt's easy to get the two confused a lot of times.",
">\n\nHow many of y'all actually thought he wasn't going to run out the clock? \nNothing will fundamentally change.",
">\n\nNobody. The “justice takes time” chorus that dominated the narrative was only here to quell social unrest so society didn’t take a dive while the rich mocked us from their golden pedestals.",
">\n\nSerious question: Why? So what if the Dems lose power in the Congress. Let the Republicans be the one to formally dismantle the committee and subpoena on record. Then when hopefully Trump is charged by the DOJ, dems have another talking point for 2024 that the Republicans hate law and order and protect mob bosses.",
">\n\nThe select committee expires at the end of the congressional session. So they do not need to question him because the committee will not exist.",
">\n\nBut what is the point of formally withdrawing the subpoena? What does it accomplish?",
">\n\nThe committee is over. They have issued the report, they are closing up shop. They are following the process. A secondary part of the committees job was to show how a REAL congressional hearing should be handled. None of that sloppy ass grandstanding they did for Benghazi",
">\n\nMy viewpoint is that Trump and the GOP are just going to use this as “proof” that he did nothing wrong. Remember how the Mueller report “exonerated” Trump? His base believes this shit wholeheartedly and I guarantee he will use this as “evidence” for his innocence.\nShowing how things SHOULD be handled instead of taking whatever measures needed to protect Americans lead to Jan 6th happening in the first place. We all know how things should be handled, how the rules should work, but one side is willing to do whatever they need to keep power and the other is getting walked over.\nIs taking the high road worth letting fascism into our government?",
">\n\nIt’s good to know that republicans are allowed to ignore subpoenas. That’s useful info for them. Don’t expect dems to get that treatment",
">\n\nThey dropped the ball in not issuing one a couple of months ago",
">\n\nActually the Democrats have done everything not to ever pick up the ball even once. They let trump appointed republicans appoint a republican special counsel to fall like a straw man to blatant obstruction in the Russia probe. They turned it into a fundraiser for campaigning. \nThis time they let liz Cheney take the reins, who was able to preserve her republican prerogatives throughout this entire ordeal. \nThe fact is that you're all being cucked by forces of controlled opposition and I'm apparently the only one in the world who can't be so easily mitigated.\nI can't depend on any of you anymore than you can depend on yourselves.",
">\n\nYou lost all credibility at the end when you said cuck and act like you’re the smartest person in the world. Be gone!",
">\n\nYeah, I don't know how anyone can be expected to be taken seriously using that whole sentence unironically.",
">\n\nI don't expect to be taken seriously whether I say it or not, yet the facts remain as I've described.",
">\n\nI didn’t see that coming, said absolutely no one.",
">\n\nWhy.",
">\n\nHUGE mistake. The committee will be dissolved by the GOPers in a couple weeks, and all this did was to give the Marmalade Moses another fake victory to rile up his lemmings.",
">\n\nIt’s funny because I say the same thing every time about trump never getting charged and I always get shit about it like BUT NO THIS TIME IS DIFFERENT. \nLmao right. Sure it is.",
">\n\nFucking same. This is just more “ammo” for his orange, shit spewing mouth.",
">\n\nThis guy is still getting more media coverage than the current potus two years into his term. Crazy.",
">\n\nIt does blow that he wasn't forced to comply with the subpoena but for people thinking what a bummer this seems like, the house is switching to a republican majority in like a week so it didn't make a whole lot of sense to leave an active subpoena on record knowing it would never be resolved. They likely knew he wasn't going to comply when it was issued only now its offical that it was officially issued, ignored by trump, and terminated. Who knows if the DOJ will eventually file but everyone pretty much already knew that little temper tantrum trump wasn't going to aid in his own house sedition investigation.",
">\n\nIf we restrict ourselves to the issue of compliance with a subpoena from this committee, then the recent election clearly mooted every aspect of penalties or consequences related to ignoring the subpoena.\nIt's like a big brother was called over and little bro wanted him to force his adversary to bow and kiss the ground. But by the time big bro finally wanders over, the kid goes \"nah... we're good.\"\nA lot of folk like to believe contempt of court or contempt of congress is like any other crime where you do the deed and have to face the punishment. But, in general, these things do not work like crimes. Even where contempt has been codified such that there is a criminal contempt aspect, the goal remains to seek or to force compliance. This leads to \"punishments\" which are better or worse depending on how you view things. A simple view is that you could be \"sentenced\" to indefinite incarceration because it's a \"jailed until compliance\" thing.\nIn this case, Congress has been very, very reticent to try to use their inherent power to jail someone. So the most they ever do these days is refer the case to the DoJ to pursue criminal contempt of congress.\nAll in all, is this a \"good\" thing? Maybe it's not as bad as we feel it to be. Imagine any sort of argument where someone demands you do something. You retort \"are you sure?\" Bystanders urge folk cool down and think about it. Map that into the way Congress changes every two years and you get a sense that unless something is important enough that it remains after the public alters the composition of the legislative branch, maybe it's not all that important (to the public) after all.\nOn the other hand, why would anyone fear Congress when they demonstrate time and again there never really are any consequences for refusal to comply with subpoenas? But... do we want to quake in fear whenever some nutjob party gains control and enacts something as dire as the Committee on Unamerican Activities?",
">\n\nWhat is the advantage of dropping the subpoena, as opposed to just letting it expire/letting the new congress withdraw it? Why go on record saying he no longer has to come in? I get that he was never going to show, I’m just curious why this is better than the alternative.",
">\n\nI’m wondering this too. There has to be a good reason.",
">\n\n?? Why, like it had no power, but still why? This looks like weakness",
">\n\nThe subpoena expires when the new congress is sworn in on Jan 3rd. There was no practical way to enforce it.",
">\n\nWhy not just let it expire?\nNow Republicans have a talking point that the January 6th Committee withdrew their subpoena.\nThey'll use it to muddy the waters and spread more misinformation.",
">\n\nThey already had their talking points. They've had them the whole time. They already released a \"counter report\" to the J6 committee. The committee withdrew it because they are closing up shop. The report is out. Where would Donnie's answers go?",
">\n\nWhy was he not charged with contempt for no show? Once again, he gets let off for bad behaviour",
">\n\nBecause they referred him for 4 much more serious crimes with longer sentences. Referring him for this is essentially pointless.",
">\n\nYes, but i see it as another nail in the coffin, and also sends a message that subpoenas are not to be ignored",
">\n\nImagine if you or I tried to just ignore a subpoena.",
">\n\nIt’s OK if you’re a Republican, as the war criminal’s daughter who voted in line with Trump’s policies during her House tenure can attest.",
">\n\nAnother instance of unequal justice under the law, imo. If you or I disregarded a subpoena from Congress we'd be going to jail...like Steve Bannon.",
">\n\nDrag it out, do nothing, repeat. Glad the J6 group produced a ton of info and exposed a lot of the bs but what's the point of nothing really happens? Media circus? I'm so tired.",
">\n\nGreat precedent. It's good to know if I'm ever subpoenaed by congress I can just ignore it.",
">\n\nJ6 knew he'd puss out and just wanted to get it on the record. And for the same reason they haven't gone after Meadows for ignoring his subpoena, are all of the other serious crimes hanging over him and the orange Traitor in Chief, especially now, the subpoenas aren't worth the time and effort.",
">\n\n\nAnd for the same reason they haven't gone after Meadows for ignoring his subpoena\n\nTo be fair... the House voted him in criminal contempt and sent the referral to that to the DoJ. There wasn't really anything they could do beyond that with respect to his subpoena (yes, inherent contempt in theory exists, in practice it would have been useless for multiple reasons).\nMeadows is also included in the big criminal referrals the committee issued as part of their report as well.",
">\n\nAs usual, this country’s justice system is a joke",
">\n\nThis was a subpoena issued by the congress, not DOJ. He would be arrested if this was subpoena by DOJ and he didn’t show.",
">\n\nLike I said lol this country’s justice system is a joke",
">\n\nBut the justice system has not been involved yet!!! Congressional hearing is not an example of the justice system. The congress has referred the case to the DOJ or “the justice system” as a result of their hearing. DOJ will pursue a criminal investigation and pursue charges. \nJudiciary (justice system as you call it), congress, and executive branches are constitutionally separate and independent to ensure checks and balances.\nJustice system in the US is not ideal, but this specific instance is not an example of these inefficiencies. This is an example of how the congress has been ineffective in doing their legislative actions. In this instance the correct statement would be “Legislative system in this country is a joke.” Justice system has not had a chance to show its incompetence yet. That will be next.",
">\n\nNaive of you to think this is anything more than a show they’re putting on. Nothing will come of it, democrats are by nature pussies let’s be real. None have any teeth or claws. The right is full of a bunch of tribalistic monkeys, party is apparently more important than country. I guess I can rephrase, besides making money and being the best business in the world, America is a joke.",
">\n\n\"OMG. I'm so outraged by this even though I have no idea why.\"\nIt'd be nice if you guys learned the difference between the subpoena and the criminal referral. trump was never going to show up for the subpoena especially since the GOP is about to take control. It's a completely moot point.",
">\n\nExactly. The committee already referred him to the DoJ on criminal charges. Everyone is acting like they're just taking their ball and going home. They already went well and beyond a mere subpoena here, and one of the charges that they're recommending is obstruction already.",
">\n\nAren’t subpoenas mandatory with consequences? Either you show up or go to jail. Trump did neither.",
">\n\nNot if you are rich. Laws are you only for the the lower 90%",
">\n\nThis is such bullshit.",
">\n\nAnother precedent set for rich criminals to not comply. If we citizens didn’t show we’d be at a black site with electrodes on our genitals.",
">\n\nThey should have charged Trump with contempt of Congress.",
">\n\nSo whens the next uprising on behalf of rich people? Just be sure you're actually a political player because if you're just a worker you'll be charged. Chess has really changed over the past hundred years.",
">\n\nTotally expected. \nTrump, the really TV star, said he'd only agree to answer the subpoena if it were live & televised. It's quite obvious the reason is that he'd ignore the questioning & use the free air time to spew his BS, much like in the Presidential debates. \nAnd I'm sure the incoming Republican House would have loved to have given him the opportunity",
">\n\nyeah kinda moot at this point , they already made those criminal referrals anyways lol i wish they would have perused charging him for not showing up however but maybe they figured in light of everything they should focus on the key issues and at this point whatever he had to say really doesnt matter anyways as he would just lie. his testimony would pretty much be useless. its still a shame we didnt get to see it just for historys sake lol",
">\n\nAl trump would do is take the 5th like any other ordinary criminal",
">\n\nSo far as things have gone, will it now be ok for Democrats to ignore all the subpoenas that this next R House is going to send around? I’d think so….",
">\n\nOur government has failed us.... Good luck everyone.",
">\n\nAh yes the criminal Justice system, quite possibly the longest running joke in America",
">\n\n& you just know the cheeto will say something like, ha!, they dropped the subpoena cause they knew I am innocent, or some 💩 like that",
">\n\nNo surprise there. Trump is above the law, as he has proven time and again, over and over throughout the last several years. \nI will be surprised if anything comes out of this investigation, at all. \nI will be surprised if the next republican president isn't worse than Trump. \nI mean seriously, how do they convict him of anything if they can't even call him for questioning. Ever heard of anyone, ever, to get convicted of a crime that didn't have to talk to investigators at some point? \nFuck America. Fuck Trump. And fuck the pussy ass people who refuse to do their fucking job.",
">\n\nThey dropped it because it wasn't necessary and would have given him a national platform needlessly. DOJ will pass to the special council which will bring formal charges, if any will be brought.",
">\n\nThis is actually heartbreaking. Seen a lot of politicians and people of note show time and time again that the rules for EVERY CITIZEN don’t apply to them and this stings just a little more",
">\n\nMy theory that he is blackmailing everyone from the White House down with Area 51 malarky is still holding water...",
">\n\nLet us all start committing crimes and see how that goes, this is bs",
">\n\nSuch bs. I knew he would sleeze his way out of any consequences for his actions. This will only embolden him & his lunatic followers. He incites a riot that kills people & gets away with it. If any of us incited a riot, we would still be in jail & if people died during the riot, we would be charged with murder as well. So sick & tired of the double standard when it comes to a president who breaks the law & walks away, just like nixon did.",
">\n\nshould not have dropped\nshould have referred it to doj for contempt of congress...\nwhite rich continue to get a pass for what the rest of us would have long ago been prosecuted and imprisoned...",
">\n\nThey already referred him to DOJ for obstruction of a govt proceeding last week. What are you talking about?",
">\n\nYeah, because why would you want to subpoena the guy who was completely responsible for the entire thing?\nThe Chuck Schumer neoliberals have engineered this to completely let Trump get away with it - because they think the Republicans are still their friends and they don't want to piss them off!",
">\n\nThey subpoenaed trump months ago. He declined to show. Since, investigation is over, they dropped it. This is not even really news worthy.",
">\n\nHalf the people in this thread have no idea what they're talking about and are confusing the subpoena with the criminal referral.",
">\n\nOh, is that what's going on? Lol. I was wondering why ppl are making a big deal about this. This is just the committee cleaning up loose ends.",
">\n\nIt's a big deal if someone who's now a private citizen, can do wtf he wants and ignore a Congressional subpoena.",
">\n\nIt takes votes by congress to hold in contempt. They didn't need trump's testimony. He would just show up and repeat I plead the 5th anyway. Pence ignored his, too. It's pointless to hold them in contempt and get off focus of actual investigation.",
">\n\nYou're proving my point. Congressional Democrats should have enforced the subpoena and made Trump plead the 5th to every question. Imagine if Pence also appeared and pled the 5th to every question. That is political magic for the Democrats, it makes them look guilty as hell.\nTrump committed a crime, and this is America. It should be the same as if I committed a crime. We would get arrested, taken to jail until the morning, see a judge and face our charges, and then either get released on OR, held for trial, or bail set. It's not much of a democracy if laws are not enforced against powerful people.",
">\n\nOnce you all realize this is just a game and you’re the pawn things will make a lot more sense.",
">\n\nNow hear him cry about never getting a chance to testify when he’s charged.",
">\n\nI see this less as a “you’re excused” and more of a “see you in court”",
">\n\nNo need to bother with it when they've already finished their work. The only thing that testimony would have accomplished would have been getting Trump to look bad on national television, and a potential perjury charge. Trump already has embarrassed himself in public in a massive way since then, and they have bigger crimes to recommend to the DOJ for prosecution.",
">\n\nThe moment they announced the subpoena everyone got a hard on that trump would have to talk. I said it then and I’ll say it again, trump will never have to face any punishment and he doesn’t have to comply to any law or rules. They’re all more suggestions instead of laws.",
">\n\nWhat a waste of fucking time",
">\n\nSo......this was a big fat waste of time and money?",
">\n\nI mean they made a criminal referral so, no? The committee wasn’t set up to solely investigate Dolt 45 and took the testimony of over a thousand people, why is it you believe withdrawing one subpoena because the committee is winding down renders the entire process a “waste of time and money.”",
">\n\nNo mention on CNN that they dropped the subpoena after a year of January 6 January 6 January 6 terrible news station",
">\n\nWell, it’s being run by a Republican so go figure",
">\n\nTalk about the wheels of justice turning slow. In this case reversing altogether. Well done.",
">\n\nI wish this surprised me.",
">\n\nLOL God this is so funny\nWhat the fuck did y'all expect if you have money you are above the law. It only applies to the poor and those who step on the toes of capital.",
">\n\nWhat a waste of money",
">\n\n...And a Happy New Year!",
">\n\nClassic",
">\n\nShocking",
">\n\nOur governing body are a bunch of cowards. The US is being safeguarded by self-interested Congresspersons who speak about accountability and act on cowardice.",
">\n\nLet's be honest he'll get away with everything with a slap on the wrist. This country won't prosecute a sitting or former president or high ranking politician, we've seen this over and over. The whole committee is sadly a publicity stunt to gain traction for Democrat's. I hope I'm completely wrong of course and that this country will start to feel like it's a democracy.",
">\n\nThe coup is in effect.",
">\n\nI have a sad feeling this committee is going to end up like a fart in the wind",
">\n\nYou’re not wrong",
">\n\nWtf are you talking about?",
">\n\nHands",
">\n\nWho are you talking to? Lmao",
">\n\nWent out with a whimper. The most Democrat thing ever.\nWish the Dems would learn how to take the gloves off, at least they would have a shot against an opponent that has no problems filling their gloves with lead shot. Then bragging about it.",
">\n\nThe subpoena, and associated contempt charges would be nothing when compared to the recommendations made by the committee to the DOJ. Whether or not the DOJ will act is all that matters at this point.",
">\n\nPathetic pieces of shit",
">\n\nAll theatre, all the time. Seems like by now, to most people, that somehow being trolled by their favorite elected might be possible.",
">\n\nSo wait, he just gets away with everything? Just like that?\nWhat about all the articles saying that Trump will most likely spend the rest of his life in prison?",
">\n\nThe subpoena has nothing to do with the recommendations made by the committee to the DOJ. The ball is in the DOJ’s court. The subpoena doesn’t impact anything. Absurd that he didn’t get held in contempt, but that is more of a distraction than anything.",
">\n\nI see. Thanks for explaining!",
">\n\nCan anyone explain why he was not arrested for not responding to the subpoena? I thought you had to respond to these?",
">\n\nFirst they would have had to vote for contempt. Then they would need to issue a referral to DOJ, then DOJ would need to consider it. That is not happening in a week before the new congress is sworn in an this committee expires. They have issued their report and no longer need to speak to him. That is why it was withdrawn. Their job is done.",
">\n\nSubpoenas are real, or they’re not.\nIn the real world if any person defied or ignored a subpoena they would be arrested immediately.\nWhy are some Americans allowed to break the law in broad daylight.",
">\n\nWhy is the DOJ dragging its feet in charging anyone?",
">\n\nDOJ has charged over 700 people out of January 6 and they continue to charge cases. Most of these cases took months if not years to come to fruition.\nAt the end of the day DOJ has no obligation to act on any of the committee’s referrals, although I believe they already have ongoing investigations as to several of the subjects. If anything new comes out of the committee’s work it’s unlikely to happen soon.",
">\n\nThe US is beyond broken. The wealthy can do whatever they want while we are the only ones who face consequences. I can’t wait to leave this shithole again. I won’t be making the mistake of coming back like I did last year.",
">\n\nSuch a farce",
">\n\nBut he wanted to appear!!",
">\n\nThe walls are closing in.",
">\n\nOk, people. Quit guilt-edging and go home.",
">\n\nWait so what is Trump a dastardly super villain who keeps getting away or a dumb oaf. You guys just can't decide.",
">\n\nI can’t wait until nothing happens!\nHas it happened yet?",
">\n\n“All animals are equal but some animals are more equal than others.” \nHey, do you think Reddit will ever reach a state of Nirvana where it will stop claiming “Trump is really sweating now!”?",
">\n\nDoes this not set some sort of precedence? If I now get subpoenaed for something can I not just point to Trump/Barr/Holder and say “no thank you”?",
">\n\nWithdrawing a subpoena sets no precedent and is not at all uncommon.",
">\n\nThe subpoena was issued quite some time ago wasn’t it? And he just flat refused. Were Barr and Holder’s also withdrawn?",
">\n\nI saw the headline and thought the committee dropped a subpoena the way you drop an album. Then I read the article and saw that they dropped it like you drop an extra filler track from an album.",
">\n\nIt would have been a waste of time anyway. \n\"Mr. Trump, did you tell your supporters that the election was stolen and send your supporters to violently break into the capitol building to stop Joe Biden from becoming president\"? - January 6th Committee \n\"The fifth\"! - Trump\nDOJ do your job to save this nation from tyranny and further destruction!🙏",
">\n\nSurprised pikachu face",
">\n\nBut these are the same people that wanted peaceful blm protestors bathed in their own blood? What point do we all take this into our own hands",
">\n\nOh, wow. This is really bad for you, US. Like ultra super deluxe so very not good.",
">\n\nLmao…\n“ThE WaLLs arE cLoSIng in”",
">\n\nwell duh...\npolitics from the beginning",
">\n\nWhat an absolute joke.",
">\n\nInb4 trump takes this decision and expresses it as: “completely exonerated!!!”",
">\n\nThey don’t need his testimony. As if he would ever go anywhere close to a government building after the committee’s final report. Just let him relax to make it easier to arrest him",
">\n\nfucking why?",
">\n\nIsn’t the rule that if you don’t comply with a congressional subpoena you can be held in contempt and fined or jailed? Can the House sergeant-at-arms arrest the person?",
">\n\nWow, naw fuck this.",
">\n\nHe wouldn't show up anyways...🐣",
">\n\nTFG is so slippery, Teflon wouldn't stick",
">\n\nNothing will truly come to fruition until we go out into the streets and force this issue ourselves.",
">\n\nWhat’s the point of that?",
">\n\nTold you.",
">\n\nSad, and utterly predictable.\nZero accountability is the death of liberty. Actual freedom means lawlessness, rather than being a nation of laws. \nThe GOP has now proved that no law matters, and that, like Russia, we are a nation governed by the biggest criminal.",
">\n\nHe should be forced to comply, then you can say you are done",
">\n\nAn absolute travesty of justice. I would've said keep the subpoena open forever. If there's some way for the subpoena's issuing body to dissolve without legally dropping the subpoena, thus leaving it in a permanent state of legal limbo, I would have advocated for that, so that the GOP could never whitewash the fact that he defied a lawfully issued subpoena.\nOtherwise, make the GOP drop it themselves; let them be the ones who let him get away with openly flouting a subpoena.",
">\n\nSo that's it???? This ASSHOLE is scott free from prosecution?",
">\n\nWhat a jackass",
">\n\nRepublicans representatives specifically...",
">\n\nIt doesn't matter anymore the witch hunt it over ! HE'S FALLIN IN HIS OWN S**t. Ding dong !",
">\n\nThey don't need him to testify at this point and they, nor anyone believed he would ever testify. They have all the evidence they need to pass on to the DOJ. Trump said he would testify at one point but that was 🐎 💩",
">\n\nNice cope posts!",
">\n\nTbh, I'm not sure it would be of any value for him to appear. It's not like they don't already have more than enough for DOJ to charge him with criminal acts, which the Committee cannot do, regardless. The real question is what DOJ will do.",
">\n\nI knew it all the build up was for show.",
">\n\nHonestly probably for the better. Nothing would’ve been accomplished and there’s a lot of examples he can bring up of dems trying fishy stuff in 2016. Is it at the level of what trump did? No. But it’s similar enough to make things difficult",
">\n\nSo a subpoena is really only a suggestion?",
">\n\nHe was right, “ I could stand in the middle of 5th Avenue and shoot somebody and I would not lose voters”, only now he could rephrase his quote and say “I could stand in the middle of 5th Avenue and shoot somebody and not get arrested”. It’s high time for the Dems to give up on this persecution and put their energy and zeal into enacting some some legislation that benefits their constituents. Then they could run on their record instead of “vote for me, I’m not Trump”."
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So like hunter's laptop or ebstein's island...If your ritch and powerful enough it dosent matter!
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"So far Trump's legal strategy of ignoring calls for accountability until Republicans in Congress can bail him out is workingly flawlessly.",
">\n\nThat doesn’t mean the DoJ can’t charge and prosecute. \nRight now everything is in response to republicans getting their slim majority in the house and lessen the damage they will do.\nThat said, they still have the mountain of evidence they did gather",
">\n\nWhat about when the AG/DOJ is a GOP appointee? You don’t think they’ll just put in a Bill Barr type on the entire thing?",
">\n\nNot while they have a democratic president and especially when the previous president lost them the midterms.\nThey were already planning on replacing trump with Desantes by equating the 2 (Martha’s Vineyard was part of that), they’re only gonna lose trying to put their party’s future on the line protect him further.\nThey gonna continue to spread doubt and try to discredit the investigations, but they’re barely holding onto a branch of government, they’re not stupid. Barr only worked because they held onto 2",
">\n\nUmmm that’s not what I meant. If a GOP candidate for President wins in 2024 , what are the actual legal implications. It’s not like it’s below them to interfere like they did with the collusion charges",
">\n\n\nThe House January 6 committee is withdrawing its subpoena of former President Donald Trump as it concludes its work.\n“In light of the imminent end of our investigation, the Select Committee can no longer pursue the specific information covered by the subpoena,” Chairman Bennie Thompson, a Mississippi Democrat, wrote in a letter to Trump’s attorney Wednesday obtained by CNN.\n“Therefore, through this letter, I hereby formally withdraw the subpoena issued to former President Trump, and notify you that he is no longer obligated to comply or produce records in response to said subpoena,” Thompson added.",
">\n\nConclusion: Former president Trump is above the law.",
">\n\nYeah kind of makes me sad. Trump can just ignore a subpoena, with zero consequences. \n“We believe you tried to overthrow the government. You are legally required to come talk to us about it.”\n“No thanks.”\n“Oh. Ok, never mind.”",
">\n\nNo consequences? He's has been referred to the DOJ for obstruction of a govt processing last week. They held a recorded vote.",
">\n\nThat’s not a consequence. It’s kicking the can. Trump will never, ever be held responsible for his role in destroying democracy in America.",
">\n\nThis is not TV or a movie. \"The wheels of justice grind slowly yet exceedingly fine\" is a saying for a reason. Federal investigations usually take years.",
">\n\nHe’s been investigated for years. No consequences. Just special appointments, investigations, and referrals. In the mean time, you know who DOES face consequences?\nAmerica.",
">\n\nYou are judging the end of the movie before it is over.\nThe previous investigations were being done while he had the shield of the presidency and an attorney general running obstruction for him. None of that is true now.",
">\n\nThe GOP will continue fighting on his behalf, because the majority are complicit in 45’s fuckery. Again, no consequences will be had. I’m willing to wager a gift card to your favorite local restaurant that he will live fat, rich, and free until at least the 2024/25 inauguration. Save this post.",
">\n\nWe'll see about that. I'll admit to the loss if thats the case.",
">\n\nMore proof that we the people have no rights in comparison to the billionaire ticks.",
">\n\nDude ain't no billionaire",
">\n\nNo, but his buddies are.",
">\n\nHis puppet masters maybe",
">\n\nI mean, who would have thought not starting the fight sooner would end like this?",
">\n\nDon’t worry. He’s got so many more coming.",
">\n\nThe idea that Trump will pay any price for his crimes is a fantasy.",
">\n\nIt’s actually happening. His company has been found guilty. His charity is closed. His cohorts are about to go to jail. His popularity sagging. Protection is gone. We just need the first indictment.",
">\n\nBut none is him",
">\n\nWell Trump Org is pretty much him but be patient.",
">\n\nDrops in the bucket. \nBeen patient for like 6 years now. How much more we gotta wait?",
">\n\nHe couldn’t be prosecuted while president. Watch GA and the special prosecutor. They’re moving fast.",
">\n\nCouldn't be?\nShould have been.",
">\n\nThat’s absolutely wild that any man is able to just straight up ignore a subpoena with zero consequences. Definition of “above the law”. If he gets away with this, he is going to be more dangerous than ever. You get away with leading a coup/insurrection, you’re going to assume you can get away with literally anything. \nMaybe trump was right… he really could shoot someone in the middle of 5th avenue and not lose any voters…and also probably not even get in trouble",
">\n\nSerious questions...so the committee pull the subpoena, but it's up to DOJ for any additional follow up, but when the new congress is in session they can tell DOJ to drop everything? Is that how's its going to go down? Because I thought DOJ is supposed to be independent once given the committee's findings?",
">\n\nThe DOJ is certainly independent of Congress. As for the committee - the only thing they would've done differently was vote on a criminal referral for contempt of Congress. Although there is some truth to congressional contempt needing to stem from congress, The DOJ has no obligation to act on a referral - it is more akin to a recommendation.\nWith that being said, the committee knew it wasn't going to serve any real benefit, so they decided not to.\n\nThe DOJ decided not to prosecute Meadows and Scavino for contempt due to their close ties to the executive. This pretty much ruled out any chance of it happening to Trump, a former President. \nEven a completely successful referral (Steve Bannon) showed how inconsequential Congressional subpoena power is. For one, it is a misdemeanor. It has been ~15 months since Bannon was referred, and he was found guilty and sentenced, and he is still a free man pending appeal. And even if upheld, it's only 4 months in prison as just shy of maximum sentencing guidelines. \nThe DOJ, if they prosecute, are aiming at much bigger crimes - notably Obstruction of an Official Proceeding, which carries up to 20 years. And they'd be potentially trying these crimes in the same jurisdiction.\n\nSo I'm sure the calculation was that it just wasn't worth throwing a referral at the DOJ for something they'd never follow up on, and wouldn't be much benefit if they did.",
">\n\nIn summary, he’s committed so many crimes that this one isn’t worth any effort",
">\n\nEssentially, yeah. The DOJ has two big chances to secure a conviction: Mar-A-Lago and Jan. 6 - and they will likely bring multiple charges in a D.C. court if they decide to prosecute. Mar-A-Lago will come first, which has virtually nothing to do with this committee's work.\nReferring a misdemeanor to tack onto 4 serious felonies they referred probably only risked muddying the larger offenses. Can't blame them honestly.",
">\n\nWhat is “Mar a Lago” in this context! The tax scheme? Classified documents?",
">\n\nThe classified documents",
">\n\nSmall point but they weren't all classified and don't need to be, for what he did to be illegal. Just trying to avoid republican framing.",
">\n\nHillary was not afraid to testify every time she was asked (and testified for hours and hours each time, answering all questions asked) and never took the 5th. Yet republicans act like she is the criminal when it always has been trump.",
">\n\nEven if she was wrong she was smarter than any of the R in the room. That woman was a machine during those hearings and gave them nothing to work with.",
">\n\nShe is definitely smarter than that barrel of monkeys who questioned her, but ultimately, there was nothing to get from her - the perfect opposite case of crimey benedict donald and his co-conspirators.",
">\n\nIt's interesting to see that people think this subpoena would have continued to exist past Jan 3, 2023 given that that's when ALL open subpoenas from the outgoing congress expire and become null and void. Even if the J6 committee continued to exist- they would be required to file a brand new one in the new session.",
">\n\nIt wouldn't be that hard to file a brand new subpoena, they have lawyers who work full-time for them. That isn't an obstacle.",
">\n\nExcept for the committee doesn't exist in the new Congress and they have no powers to do anything if they don't exist.",
">\n\nIt's easy to get the two confused a lot of times.",
">\n\nHow many of y'all actually thought he wasn't going to run out the clock? \nNothing will fundamentally change.",
">\n\nNobody. The “justice takes time” chorus that dominated the narrative was only here to quell social unrest so society didn’t take a dive while the rich mocked us from their golden pedestals.",
">\n\nSerious question: Why? So what if the Dems lose power in the Congress. Let the Republicans be the one to formally dismantle the committee and subpoena on record. Then when hopefully Trump is charged by the DOJ, dems have another talking point for 2024 that the Republicans hate law and order and protect mob bosses.",
">\n\nThe select committee expires at the end of the congressional session. So they do not need to question him because the committee will not exist.",
">\n\nBut what is the point of formally withdrawing the subpoena? What does it accomplish?",
">\n\nThe committee is over. They have issued the report, they are closing up shop. They are following the process. A secondary part of the committees job was to show how a REAL congressional hearing should be handled. None of that sloppy ass grandstanding they did for Benghazi",
">\n\nMy viewpoint is that Trump and the GOP are just going to use this as “proof” that he did nothing wrong. Remember how the Mueller report “exonerated” Trump? His base believes this shit wholeheartedly and I guarantee he will use this as “evidence” for his innocence.\nShowing how things SHOULD be handled instead of taking whatever measures needed to protect Americans lead to Jan 6th happening in the first place. We all know how things should be handled, how the rules should work, but one side is willing to do whatever they need to keep power and the other is getting walked over.\nIs taking the high road worth letting fascism into our government?",
">\n\nIt’s good to know that republicans are allowed to ignore subpoenas. That’s useful info for them. Don’t expect dems to get that treatment",
">\n\nThey dropped the ball in not issuing one a couple of months ago",
">\n\nActually the Democrats have done everything not to ever pick up the ball even once. They let trump appointed republicans appoint a republican special counsel to fall like a straw man to blatant obstruction in the Russia probe. They turned it into a fundraiser for campaigning. \nThis time they let liz Cheney take the reins, who was able to preserve her republican prerogatives throughout this entire ordeal. \nThe fact is that you're all being cucked by forces of controlled opposition and I'm apparently the only one in the world who can't be so easily mitigated.\nI can't depend on any of you anymore than you can depend on yourselves.",
">\n\nYou lost all credibility at the end when you said cuck and act like you’re the smartest person in the world. Be gone!",
">\n\nYeah, I don't know how anyone can be expected to be taken seriously using that whole sentence unironically.",
">\n\nI don't expect to be taken seriously whether I say it or not, yet the facts remain as I've described.",
">\n\nI didn’t see that coming, said absolutely no one.",
">\n\nWhy.",
">\n\nHUGE mistake. The committee will be dissolved by the GOPers in a couple weeks, and all this did was to give the Marmalade Moses another fake victory to rile up his lemmings.",
">\n\nIt’s funny because I say the same thing every time about trump never getting charged and I always get shit about it like BUT NO THIS TIME IS DIFFERENT. \nLmao right. Sure it is.",
">\n\nFucking same. This is just more “ammo” for his orange, shit spewing mouth.",
">\n\nThis guy is still getting more media coverage than the current potus two years into his term. Crazy.",
">\n\nIt does blow that he wasn't forced to comply with the subpoena but for people thinking what a bummer this seems like, the house is switching to a republican majority in like a week so it didn't make a whole lot of sense to leave an active subpoena on record knowing it would never be resolved. They likely knew he wasn't going to comply when it was issued only now its offical that it was officially issued, ignored by trump, and terminated. Who knows if the DOJ will eventually file but everyone pretty much already knew that little temper tantrum trump wasn't going to aid in his own house sedition investigation.",
">\n\nIf we restrict ourselves to the issue of compliance with a subpoena from this committee, then the recent election clearly mooted every aspect of penalties or consequences related to ignoring the subpoena.\nIt's like a big brother was called over and little bro wanted him to force his adversary to bow and kiss the ground. But by the time big bro finally wanders over, the kid goes \"nah... we're good.\"\nA lot of folk like to believe contempt of court or contempt of congress is like any other crime where you do the deed and have to face the punishment. But, in general, these things do not work like crimes. Even where contempt has been codified such that there is a criminal contempt aspect, the goal remains to seek or to force compliance. This leads to \"punishments\" which are better or worse depending on how you view things. A simple view is that you could be \"sentenced\" to indefinite incarceration because it's a \"jailed until compliance\" thing.\nIn this case, Congress has been very, very reticent to try to use their inherent power to jail someone. So the most they ever do these days is refer the case to the DoJ to pursue criminal contempt of congress.\nAll in all, is this a \"good\" thing? Maybe it's not as bad as we feel it to be. Imagine any sort of argument where someone demands you do something. You retort \"are you sure?\" Bystanders urge folk cool down and think about it. Map that into the way Congress changes every two years and you get a sense that unless something is important enough that it remains after the public alters the composition of the legislative branch, maybe it's not all that important (to the public) after all.\nOn the other hand, why would anyone fear Congress when they demonstrate time and again there never really are any consequences for refusal to comply with subpoenas? But... do we want to quake in fear whenever some nutjob party gains control and enacts something as dire as the Committee on Unamerican Activities?",
">\n\nWhat is the advantage of dropping the subpoena, as opposed to just letting it expire/letting the new congress withdraw it? Why go on record saying he no longer has to come in? I get that he was never going to show, I’m just curious why this is better than the alternative.",
">\n\nI’m wondering this too. There has to be a good reason.",
">\n\n?? Why, like it had no power, but still why? This looks like weakness",
">\n\nThe subpoena expires when the new congress is sworn in on Jan 3rd. There was no practical way to enforce it.",
">\n\nWhy not just let it expire?\nNow Republicans have a talking point that the January 6th Committee withdrew their subpoena.\nThey'll use it to muddy the waters and spread more misinformation.",
">\n\nThey already had their talking points. They've had them the whole time. They already released a \"counter report\" to the J6 committee. The committee withdrew it because they are closing up shop. The report is out. Where would Donnie's answers go?",
">\n\nWhy was he not charged with contempt for no show? Once again, he gets let off for bad behaviour",
">\n\nBecause they referred him for 4 much more serious crimes with longer sentences. Referring him for this is essentially pointless.",
">\n\nYes, but i see it as another nail in the coffin, and also sends a message that subpoenas are not to be ignored",
">\n\nImagine if you or I tried to just ignore a subpoena.",
">\n\nIt’s OK if you’re a Republican, as the war criminal’s daughter who voted in line with Trump’s policies during her House tenure can attest.",
">\n\nAnother instance of unequal justice under the law, imo. If you or I disregarded a subpoena from Congress we'd be going to jail...like Steve Bannon.",
">\n\nDrag it out, do nothing, repeat. Glad the J6 group produced a ton of info and exposed a lot of the bs but what's the point of nothing really happens? Media circus? I'm so tired.",
">\n\nGreat precedent. It's good to know if I'm ever subpoenaed by congress I can just ignore it.",
">\n\nJ6 knew he'd puss out and just wanted to get it on the record. And for the same reason they haven't gone after Meadows for ignoring his subpoena, are all of the other serious crimes hanging over him and the orange Traitor in Chief, especially now, the subpoenas aren't worth the time and effort.",
">\n\n\nAnd for the same reason they haven't gone after Meadows for ignoring his subpoena\n\nTo be fair... the House voted him in criminal contempt and sent the referral to that to the DoJ. There wasn't really anything they could do beyond that with respect to his subpoena (yes, inherent contempt in theory exists, in practice it would have been useless for multiple reasons).\nMeadows is also included in the big criminal referrals the committee issued as part of their report as well.",
">\n\nAs usual, this country’s justice system is a joke",
">\n\nThis was a subpoena issued by the congress, not DOJ. He would be arrested if this was subpoena by DOJ and he didn’t show.",
">\n\nLike I said lol this country’s justice system is a joke",
">\n\nBut the justice system has not been involved yet!!! Congressional hearing is not an example of the justice system. The congress has referred the case to the DOJ or “the justice system” as a result of their hearing. DOJ will pursue a criminal investigation and pursue charges. \nJudiciary (justice system as you call it), congress, and executive branches are constitutionally separate and independent to ensure checks and balances.\nJustice system in the US is not ideal, but this specific instance is not an example of these inefficiencies. This is an example of how the congress has been ineffective in doing their legislative actions. In this instance the correct statement would be “Legislative system in this country is a joke.” Justice system has not had a chance to show its incompetence yet. That will be next.",
">\n\nNaive of you to think this is anything more than a show they’re putting on. Nothing will come of it, democrats are by nature pussies let’s be real. None have any teeth or claws. The right is full of a bunch of tribalistic monkeys, party is apparently more important than country. I guess I can rephrase, besides making money and being the best business in the world, America is a joke.",
">\n\n\"OMG. I'm so outraged by this even though I have no idea why.\"\nIt'd be nice if you guys learned the difference between the subpoena and the criminal referral. trump was never going to show up for the subpoena especially since the GOP is about to take control. It's a completely moot point.",
">\n\nExactly. The committee already referred him to the DoJ on criminal charges. Everyone is acting like they're just taking their ball and going home. They already went well and beyond a mere subpoena here, and one of the charges that they're recommending is obstruction already.",
">\n\nAren’t subpoenas mandatory with consequences? Either you show up or go to jail. Trump did neither.",
">\n\nNot if you are rich. Laws are you only for the the lower 90%",
">\n\nThis is such bullshit.",
">\n\nAnother precedent set for rich criminals to not comply. If we citizens didn’t show we’d be at a black site with electrodes on our genitals.",
">\n\nThey should have charged Trump with contempt of Congress.",
">\n\nSo whens the next uprising on behalf of rich people? Just be sure you're actually a political player because if you're just a worker you'll be charged. Chess has really changed over the past hundred years.",
">\n\nTotally expected. \nTrump, the really TV star, said he'd only agree to answer the subpoena if it were live & televised. It's quite obvious the reason is that he'd ignore the questioning & use the free air time to spew his BS, much like in the Presidential debates. \nAnd I'm sure the incoming Republican House would have loved to have given him the opportunity",
">\n\nyeah kinda moot at this point , they already made those criminal referrals anyways lol i wish they would have perused charging him for not showing up however but maybe they figured in light of everything they should focus on the key issues and at this point whatever he had to say really doesnt matter anyways as he would just lie. his testimony would pretty much be useless. its still a shame we didnt get to see it just for historys sake lol",
">\n\nAl trump would do is take the 5th like any other ordinary criminal",
">\n\nSo far as things have gone, will it now be ok for Democrats to ignore all the subpoenas that this next R House is going to send around? I’d think so….",
">\n\nOur government has failed us.... Good luck everyone.",
">\n\nAh yes the criminal Justice system, quite possibly the longest running joke in America",
">\n\n& you just know the cheeto will say something like, ha!, they dropped the subpoena cause they knew I am innocent, or some 💩 like that",
">\n\nNo surprise there. Trump is above the law, as he has proven time and again, over and over throughout the last several years. \nI will be surprised if anything comes out of this investigation, at all. \nI will be surprised if the next republican president isn't worse than Trump. \nI mean seriously, how do they convict him of anything if they can't even call him for questioning. Ever heard of anyone, ever, to get convicted of a crime that didn't have to talk to investigators at some point? \nFuck America. Fuck Trump. And fuck the pussy ass people who refuse to do their fucking job.",
">\n\nThey dropped it because it wasn't necessary and would have given him a national platform needlessly. DOJ will pass to the special council which will bring formal charges, if any will be brought.",
">\n\nThis is actually heartbreaking. Seen a lot of politicians and people of note show time and time again that the rules for EVERY CITIZEN don’t apply to them and this stings just a little more",
">\n\nMy theory that he is blackmailing everyone from the White House down with Area 51 malarky is still holding water...",
">\n\nLet us all start committing crimes and see how that goes, this is bs",
">\n\nSuch bs. I knew he would sleeze his way out of any consequences for his actions. This will only embolden him & his lunatic followers. He incites a riot that kills people & gets away with it. If any of us incited a riot, we would still be in jail & if people died during the riot, we would be charged with murder as well. So sick & tired of the double standard when it comes to a president who breaks the law & walks away, just like nixon did.",
">\n\nshould not have dropped\nshould have referred it to doj for contempt of congress...\nwhite rich continue to get a pass for what the rest of us would have long ago been prosecuted and imprisoned...",
">\n\nThey already referred him to DOJ for obstruction of a govt proceeding last week. What are you talking about?",
">\n\nYeah, because why would you want to subpoena the guy who was completely responsible for the entire thing?\nThe Chuck Schumer neoliberals have engineered this to completely let Trump get away with it - because they think the Republicans are still their friends and they don't want to piss them off!",
">\n\nThey subpoenaed trump months ago. He declined to show. Since, investigation is over, they dropped it. This is not even really news worthy.",
">\n\nHalf the people in this thread have no idea what they're talking about and are confusing the subpoena with the criminal referral.",
">\n\nOh, is that what's going on? Lol. I was wondering why ppl are making a big deal about this. This is just the committee cleaning up loose ends.",
">\n\nIt's a big deal if someone who's now a private citizen, can do wtf he wants and ignore a Congressional subpoena.",
">\n\nIt takes votes by congress to hold in contempt. They didn't need trump's testimony. He would just show up and repeat I plead the 5th anyway. Pence ignored his, too. It's pointless to hold them in contempt and get off focus of actual investigation.",
">\n\nYou're proving my point. Congressional Democrats should have enforced the subpoena and made Trump plead the 5th to every question. Imagine if Pence also appeared and pled the 5th to every question. That is political magic for the Democrats, it makes them look guilty as hell.\nTrump committed a crime, and this is America. It should be the same as if I committed a crime. We would get arrested, taken to jail until the morning, see a judge and face our charges, and then either get released on OR, held for trial, or bail set. It's not much of a democracy if laws are not enforced against powerful people.",
">\n\nOnce you all realize this is just a game and you’re the pawn things will make a lot more sense.",
">\n\nNow hear him cry about never getting a chance to testify when he’s charged.",
">\n\nI see this less as a “you’re excused” and more of a “see you in court”",
">\n\nNo need to bother with it when they've already finished their work. The only thing that testimony would have accomplished would have been getting Trump to look bad on national television, and a potential perjury charge. Trump already has embarrassed himself in public in a massive way since then, and they have bigger crimes to recommend to the DOJ for prosecution.",
">\n\nThe moment they announced the subpoena everyone got a hard on that trump would have to talk. I said it then and I’ll say it again, trump will never have to face any punishment and he doesn’t have to comply to any law or rules. They’re all more suggestions instead of laws.",
">\n\nWhat a waste of fucking time",
">\n\nSo......this was a big fat waste of time and money?",
">\n\nI mean they made a criminal referral so, no? The committee wasn’t set up to solely investigate Dolt 45 and took the testimony of over a thousand people, why is it you believe withdrawing one subpoena because the committee is winding down renders the entire process a “waste of time and money.”",
">\n\nNo mention on CNN that they dropped the subpoena after a year of January 6 January 6 January 6 terrible news station",
">\n\nWell, it’s being run by a Republican so go figure",
">\n\nTalk about the wheels of justice turning slow. In this case reversing altogether. Well done.",
">\n\nI wish this surprised me.",
">\n\nLOL God this is so funny\nWhat the fuck did y'all expect if you have money you are above the law. It only applies to the poor and those who step on the toes of capital.",
">\n\nWhat a waste of money",
">\n\n...And a Happy New Year!",
">\n\nClassic",
">\n\nShocking",
">\n\nOur governing body are a bunch of cowards. The US is being safeguarded by self-interested Congresspersons who speak about accountability and act on cowardice.",
">\n\nLet's be honest he'll get away with everything with a slap on the wrist. This country won't prosecute a sitting or former president or high ranking politician, we've seen this over and over. The whole committee is sadly a publicity stunt to gain traction for Democrat's. I hope I'm completely wrong of course and that this country will start to feel like it's a democracy.",
">\n\nThe coup is in effect.",
">\n\nI have a sad feeling this committee is going to end up like a fart in the wind",
">\n\nYou’re not wrong",
">\n\nWtf are you talking about?",
">\n\nHands",
">\n\nWho are you talking to? Lmao",
">\n\nWent out with a whimper. The most Democrat thing ever.\nWish the Dems would learn how to take the gloves off, at least they would have a shot against an opponent that has no problems filling their gloves with lead shot. Then bragging about it.",
">\n\nThe subpoena, and associated contempt charges would be nothing when compared to the recommendations made by the committee to the DOJ. Whether or not the DOJ will act is all that matters at this point.",
">\n\nPathetic pieces of shit",
">\n\nAll theatre, all the time. Seems like by now, to most people, that somehow being trolled by their favorite elected might be possible.",
">\n\nSo wait, he just gets away with everything? Just like that?\nWhat about all the articles saying that Trump will most likely spend the rest of his life in prison?",
">\n\nThe subpoena has nothing to do with the recommendations made by the committee to the DOJ. The ball is in the DOJ’s court. The subpoena doesn’t impact anything. Absurd that he didn’t get held in contempt, but that is more of a distraction than anything.",
">\n\nI see. Thanks for explaining!",
">\n\nCan anyone explain why he was not arrested for not responding to the subpoena? I thought you had to respond to these?",
">\n\nFirst they would have had to vote for contempt. Then they would need to issue a referral to DOJ, then DOJ would need to consider it. That is not happening in a week before the new congress is sworn in an this committee expires. They have issued their report and no longer need to speak to him. That is why it was withdrawn. Their job is done.",
">\n\nSubpoenas are real, or they’re not.\nIn the real world if any person defied or ignored a subpoena they would be arrested immediately.\nWhy are some Americans allowed to break the law in broad daylight.",
">\n\nWhy is the DOJ dragging its feet in charging anyone?",
">\n\nDOJ has charged over 700 people out of January 6 and they continue to charge cases. Most of these cases took months if not years to come to fruition.\nAt the end of the day DOJ has no obligation to act on any of the committee’s referrals, although I believe they already have ongoing investigations as to several of the subjects. If anything new comes out of the committee’s work it’s unlikely to happen soon.",
">\n\nThe US is beyond broken. The wealthy can do whatever they want while we are the only ones who face consequences. I can’t wait to leave this shithole again. I won’t be making the mistake of coming back like I did last year.",
">\n\nSuch a farce",
">\n\nBut he wanted to appear!!",
">\n\nThe walls are closing in.",
">\n\nOk, people. Quit guilt-edging and go home.",
">\n\nWait so what is Trump a dastardly super villain who keeps getting away or a dumb oaf. You guys just can't decide.",
">\n\nI can’t wait until nothing happens!\nHas it happened yet?",
">\n\n“All animals are equal but some animals are more equal than others.” \nHey, do you think Reddit will ever reach a state of Nirvana where it will stop claiming “Trump is really sweating now!”?",
">\n\nDoes this not set some sort of precedence? If I now get subpoenaed for something can I not just point to Trump/Barr/Holder and say “no thank you”?",
">\n\nWithdrawing a subpoena sets no precedent and is not at all uncommon.",
">\n\nThe subpoena was issued quite some time ago wasn’t it? And he just flat refused. Were Barr and Holder’s also withdrawn?",
">\n\nI saw the headline and thought the committee dropped a subpoena the way you drop an album. Then I read the article and saw that they dropped it like you drop an extra filler track from an album.",
">\n\nIt would have been a waste of time anyway. \n\"Mr. Trump, did you tell your supporters that the election was stolen and send your supporters to violently break into the capitol building to stop Joe Biden from becoming president\"? - January 6th Committee \n\"The fifth\"! - Trump\nDOJ do your job to save this nation from tyranny and further destruction!🙏",
">\n\nSurprised pikachu face",
">\n\nBut these are the same people that wanted peaceful blm protestors bathed in their own blood? What point do we all take this into our own hands",
">\n\nOh, wow. This is really bad for you, US. Like ultra super deluxe so very not good.",
">\n\nLmao…\n“ThE WaLLs arE cLoSIng in”",
">\n\nwell duh...\npolitics from the beginning",
">\n\nWhat an absolute joke.",
">\n\nInb4 trump takes this decision and expresses it as: “completely exonerated!!!”",
">\n\nThey don’t need his testimony. As if he would ever go anywhere close to a government building after the committee’s final report. Just let him relax to make it easier to arrest him",
">\n\nfucking why?",
">\n\nIsn’t the rule that if you don’t comply with a congressional subpoena you can be held in contempt and fined or jailed? Can the House sergeant-at-arms arrest the person?",
">\n\nWow, naw fuck this.",
">\n\nHe wouldn't show up anyways...🐣",
">\n\nTFG is so slippery, Teflon wouldn't stick",
">\n\nNothing will truly come to fruition until we go out into the streets and force this issue ourselves.",
">\n\nWhat’s the point of that?",
">\n\nTold you.",
">\n\nSad, and utterly predictable.\nZero accountability is the death of liberty. Actual freedom means lawlessness, rather than being a nation of laws. \nThe GOP has now proved that no law matters, and that, like Russia, we are a nation governed by the biggest criminal.",
">\n\nHe should be forced to comply, then you can say you are done",
">\n\nAn absolute travesty of justice. I would've said keep the subpoena open forever. If there's some way for the subpoena's issuing body to dissolve without legally dropping the subpoena, thus leaving it in a permanent state of legal limbo, I would have advocated for that, so that the GOP could never whitewash the fact that he defied a lawfully issued subpoena.\nOtherwise, make the GOP drop it themselves; let them be the ones who let him get away with openly flouting a subpoena.",
">\n\nSo that's it???? This ASSHOLE is scott free from prosecution?",
">\n\nWhat a jackass",
">\n\nRepublicans representatives specifically...",
">\n\nIt doesn't matter anymore the witch hunt it over ! HE'S FALLIN IN HIS OWN S**t. Ding dong !",
">\n\nThey don't need him to testify at this point and they, nor anyone believed he would ever testify. They have all the evidence they need to pass on to the DOJ. Trump said he would testify at one point but that was 🐎 💩",
">\n\nNice cope posts!",
">\n\nTbh, I'm not sure it would be of any value for him to appear. It's not like they don't already have more than enough for DOJ to charge him with criminal acts, which the Committee cannot do, regardless. The real question is what DOJ will do.",
">\n\nI knew it all the build up was for show.",
">\n\nHonestly probably for the better. Nothing would’ve been accomplished and there’s a lot of examples he can bring up of dems trying fishy stuff in 2016. Is it at the level of what trump did? No. But it’s similar enough to make things difficult",
">\n\nSo a subpoena is really only a suggestion?",
">\n\nHe was right, “ I could stand in the middle of 5th Avenue and shoot somebody and I would not lose voters”, only now he could rephrase his quote and say “I could stand in the middle of 5th Avenue and shoot somebody and not get arrested”. It’s high time for the Dems to give up on this persecution and put their energy and zeal into enacting some some legislation that benefits their constituents. Then they could run on their record instead of “vote for me, I’m not Trump”.",
">\n\nThe cynic in me says: The midterms are over. This 'walls closing in\" BS is also over. With this dismal result, I'm guessing mileqtoast Merrick also won;t get anything actually done on the DOJ side. He just doesn;t have the nuts to see it through. Nothing is going to stick to this orange guy."
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"So far Trump's legal strategy of ignoring calls for accountability until Republicans in Congress can bail him out is workingly flawlessly.",
">\n\nThat doesn’t mean the DoJ can’t charge and prosecute. \nRight now everything is in response to republicans getting their slim majority in the house and lessen the damage they will do.\nThat said, they still have the mountain of evidence they did gather",
">\n\nWhat about when the AG/DOJ is a GOP appointee? You don’t think they’ll just put in a Bill Barr type on the entire thing?",
">\n\nNot while they have a democratic president and especially when the previous president lost them the midterms.\nThey were already planning on replacing trump with Desantes by equating the 2 (Martha’s Vineyard was part of that), they’re only gonna lose trying to put their party’s future on the line protect him further.\nThey gonna continue to spread doubt and try to discredit the investigations, but they’re barely holding onto a branch of government, they’re not stupid. Barr only worked because they held onto 2",
">\n\nUmmm that’s not what I meant. If a GOP candidate for President wins in 2024 , what are the actual legal implications. It’s not like it’s below them to interfere like they did with the collusion charges",
">\n\n\nThe House January 6 committee is withdrawing its subpoena of former President Donald Trump as it concludes its work.\n“In light of the imminent end of our investigation, the Select Committee can no longer pursue the specific information covered by the subpoena,” Chairman Bennie Thompson, a Mississippi Democrat, wrote in a letter to Trump’s attorney Wednesday obtained by CNN.\n“Therefore, through this letter, I hereby formally withdraw the subpoena issued to former President Trump, and notify you that he is no longer obligated to comply or produce records in response to said subpoena,” Thompson added.",
">\n\nConclusion: Former president Trump is above the law.",
">\n\nYeah kind of makes me sad. Trump can just ignore a subpoena, with zero consequences. \n“We believe you tried to overthrow the government. You are legally required to come talk to us about it.”\n“No thanks.”\n“Oh. Ok, never mind.”",
">\n\nNo consequences? He's has been referred to the DOJ for obstruction of a govt processing last week. They held a recorded vote.",
">\n\nThat’s not a consequence. It’s kicking the can. Trump will never, ever be held responsible for his role in destroying democracy in America.",
">\n\nThis is not TV or a movie. \"The wheels of justice grind slowly yet exceedingly fine\" is a saying for a reason. Federal investigations usually take years.",
">\n\nHe’s been investigated for years. No consequences. Just special appointments, investigations, and referrals. In the mean time, you know who DOES face consequences?\nAmerica.",
">\n\nYou are judging the end of the movie before it is over.\nThe previous investigations were being done while he had the shield of the presidency and an attorney general running obstruction for him. None of that is true now.",
">\n\nThe GOP will continue fighting on his behalf, because the majority are complicit in 45’s fuckery. Again, no consequences will be had. I’m willing to wager a gift card to your favorite local restaurant that he will live fat, rich, and free until at least the 2024/25 inauguration. Save this post.",
">\n\nWe'll see about that. I'll admit to the loss if thats the case.",
">\n\nMore proof that we the people have no rights in comparison to the billionaire ticks.",
">\n\nDude ain't no billionaire",
">\n\nNo, but his buddies are.",
">\n\nHis puppet masters maybe",
">\n\nI mean, who would have thought not starting the fight sooner would end like this?",
">\n\nDon’t worry. He’s got so many more coming.",
">\n\nThe idea that Trump will pay any price for his crimes is a fantasy.",
">\n\nIt’s actually happening. His company has been found guilty. His charity is closed. His cohorts are about to go to jail. His popularity sagging. Protection is gone. We just need the first indictment.",
">\n\nBut none is him",
">\n\nWell Trump Org is pretty much him but be patient.",
">\n\nDrops in the bucket. \nBeen patient for like 6 years now. How much more we gotta wait?",
">\n\nHe couldn’t be prosecuted while president. Watch GA and the special prosecutor. They’re moving fast.",
">\n\nCouldn't be?\nShould have been.",
">\n\nThat’s absolutely wild that any man is able to just straight up ignore a subpoena with zero consequences. Definition of “above the law”. If he gets away with this, he is going to be more dangerous than ever. You get away with leading a coup/insurrection, you’re going to assume you can get away with literally anything. \nMaybe trump was right… he really could shoot someone in the middle of 5th avenue and not lose any voters…and also probably not even get in trouble",
">\n\nSerious questions...so the committee pull the subpoena, but it's up to DOJ for any additional follow up, but when the new congress is in session they can tell DOJ to drop everything? Is that how's its going to go down? Because I thought DOJ is supposed to be independent once given the committee's findings?",
">\n\nThe DOJ is certainly independent of Congress. As for the committee - the only thing they would've done differently was vote on a criminal referral for contempt of Congress. Although there is some truth to congressional contempt needing to stem from congress, The DOJ has no obligation to act on a referral - it is more akin to a recommendation.\nWith that being said, the committee knew it wasn't going to serve any real benefit, so they decided not to.\n\nThe DOJ decided not to prosecute Meadows and Scavino for contempt due to their close ties to the executive. This pretty much ruled out any chance of it happening to Trump, a former President. \nEven a completely successful referral (Steve Bannon) showed how inconsequential Congressional subpoena power is. For one, it is a misdemeanor. It has been ~15 months since Bannon was referred, and he was found guilty and sentenced, and he is still a free man pending appeal. And even if upheld, it's only 4 months in prison as just shy of maximum sentencing guidelines. \nThe DOJ, if they prosecute, are aiming at much bigger crimes - notably Obstruction of an Official Proceeding, which carries up to 20 years. And they'd be potentially trying these crimes in the same jurisdiction.\n\nSo I'm sure the calculation was that it just wasn't worth throwing a referral at the DOJ for something they'd never follow up on, and wouldn't be much benefit if they did.",
">\n\nIn summary, he’s committed so many crimes that this one isn’t worth any effort",
">\n\nEssentially, yeah. The DOJ has two big chances to secure a conviction: Mar-A-Lago and Jan. 6 - and they will likely bring multiple charges in a D.C. court if they decide to prosecute. Mar-A-Lago will come first, which has virtually nothing to do with this committee's work.\nReferring a misdemeanor to tack onto 4 serious felonies they referred probably only risked muddying the larger offenses. Can't blame them honestly.",
">\n\nWhat is “Mar a Lago” in this context! The tax scheme? Classified documents?",
">\n\nThe classified documents",
">\n\nSmall point but they weren't all classified and don't need to be, for what he did to be illegal. Just trying to avoid republican framing.",
">\n\nHillary was not afraid to testify every time she was asked (and testified for hours and hours each time, answering all questions asked) and never took the 5th. Yet republicans act like she is the criminal when it always has been trump.",
">\n\nEven if she was wrong she was smarter than any of the R in the room. That woman was a machine during those hearings and gave them nothing to work with.",
">\n\nShe is definitely smarter than that barrel of monkeys who questioned her, but ultimately, there was nothing to get from her - the perfect opposite case of crimey benedict donald and his co-conspirators.",
">\n\nIt's interesting to see that people think this subpoena would have continued to exist past Jan 3, 2023 given that that's when ALL open subpoenas from the outgoing congress expire and become null and void. Even if the J6 committee continued to exist- they would be required to file a brand new one in the new session.",
">\n\nIt wouldn't be that hard to file a brand new subpoena, they have lawyers who work full-time for them. That isn't an obstacle.",
">\n\nExcept for the committee doesn't exist in the new Congress and they have no powers to do anything if they don't exist.",
">\n\nIt's easy to get the two confused a lot of times.",
">\n\nHow many of y'all actually thought he wasn't going to run out the clock? \nNothing will fundamentally change.",
">\n\nNobody. The “justice takes time” chorus that dominated the narrative was only here to quell social unrest so society didn’t take a dive while the rich mocked us from their golden pedestals.",
">\n\nSerious question: Why? So what if the Dems lose power in the Congress. Let the Republicans be the one to formally dismantle the committee and subpoena on record. Then when hopefully Trump is charged by the DOJ, dems have another talking point for 2024 that the Republicans hate law and order and protect mob bosses.",
">\n\nThe select committee expires at the end of the congressional session. So they do not need to question him because the committee will not exist.",
">\n\nBut what is the point of formally withdrawing the subpoena? What does it accomplish?",
">\n\nThe committee is over. They have issued the report, they are closing up shop. They are following the process. A secondary part of the committees job was to show how a REAL congressional hearing should be handled. None of that sloppy ass grandstanding they did for Benghazi",
">\n\nMy viewpoint is that Trump and the GOP are just going to use this as “proof” that he did nothing wrong. Remember how the Mueller report “exonerated” Trump? His base believes this shit wholeheartedly and I guarantee he will use this as “evidence” for his innocence.\nShowing how things SHOULD be handled instead of taking whatever measures needed to protect Americans lead to Jan 6th happening in the first place. We all know how things should be handled, how the rules should work, but one side is willing to do whatever they need to keep power and the other is getting walked over.\nIs taking the high road worth letting fascism into our government?",
">\n\nIt’s good to know that republicans are allowed to ignore subpoenas. That’s useful info for them. Don’t expect dems to get that treatment",
">\n\nThey dropped the ball in not issuing one a couple of months ago",
">\n\nActually the Democrats have done everything not to ever pick up the ball even once. They let trump appointed republicans appoint a republican special counsel to fall like a straw man to blatant obstruction in the Russia probe. They turned it into a fundraiser for campaigning. \nThis time they let liz Cheney take the reins, who was able to preserve her republican prerogatives throughout this entire ordeal. \nThe fact is that you're all being cucked by forces of controlled opposition and I'm apparently the only one in the world who can't be so easily mitigated.\nI can't depend on any of you anymore than you can depend on yourselves.",
">\n\nYou lost all credibility at the end when you said cuck and act like you’re the smartest person in the world. Be gone!",
">\n\nYeah, I don't know how anyone can be expected to be taken seriously using that whole sentence unironically.",
">\n\nI don't expect to be taken seriously whether I say it or not, yet the facts remain as I've described.",
">\n\nI didn’t see that coming, said absolutely no one.",
">\n\nWhy.",
">\n\nHUGE mistake. The committee will be dissolved by the GOPers in a couple weeks, and all this did was to give the Marmalade Moses another fake victory to rile up his lemmings.",
">\n\nIt’s funny because I say the same thing every time about trump never getting charged and I always get shit about it like BUT NO THIS TIME IS DIFFERENT. \nLmao right. Sure it is.",
">\n\nFucking same. This is just more “ammo” for his orange, shit spewing mouth.",
">\n\nThis guy is still getting more media coverage than the current potus two years into his term. Crazy.",
">\n\nIt does blow that he wasn't forced to comply with the subpoena but for people thinking what a bummer this seems like, the house is switching to a republican majority in like a week so it didn't make a whole lot of sense to leave an active subpoena on record knowing it would never be resolved. They likely knew he wasn't going to comply when it was issued only now its offical that it was officially issued, ignored by trump, and terminated. Who knows if the DOJ will eventually file but everyone pretty much already knew that little temper tantrum trump wasn't going to aid in his own house sedition investigation.",
">\n\nIf we restrict ourselves to the issue of compliance with a subpoena from this committee, then the recent election clearly mooted every aspect of penalties or consequences related to ignoring the subpoena.\nIt's like a big brother was called over and little bro wanted him to force his adversary to bow and kiss the ground. But by the time big bro finally wanders over, the kid goes \"nah... we're good.\"\nA lot of folk like to believe contempt of court or contempt of congress is like any other crime where you do the deed and have to face the punishment. But, in general, these things do not work like crimes. Even where contempt has been codified such that there is a criminal contempt aspect, the goal remains to seek or to force compliance. This leads to \"punishments\" which are better or worse depending on how you view things. A simple view is that you could be \"sentenced\" to indefinite incarceration because it's a \"jailed until compliance\" thing.\nIn this case, Congress has been very, very reticent to try to use their inherent power to jail someone. So the most they ever do these days is refer the case to the DoJ to pursue criminal contempt of congress.\nAll in all, is this a \"good\" thing? Maybe it's not as bad as we feel it to be. Imagine any sort of argument where someone demands you do something. You retort \"are you sure?\" Bystanders urge folk cool down and think about it. Map that into the way Congress changes every two years and you get a sense that unless something is important enough that it remains after the public alters the composition of the legislative branch, maybe it's not all that important (to the public) after all.\nOn the other hand, why would anyone fear Congress when they demonstrate time and again there never really are any consequences for refusal to comply with subpoenas? But... do we want to quake in fear whenever some nutjob party gains control and enacts something as dire as the Committee on Unamerican Activities?",
">\n\nWhat is the advantage of dropping the subpoena, as opposed to just letting it expire/letting the new congress withdraw it? Why go on record saying he no longer has to come in? I get that he was never going to show, I’m just curious why this is better than the alternative.",
">\n\nI’m wondering this too. There has to be a good reason.",
">\n\n?? Why, like it had no power, but still why? This looks like weakness",
">\n\nThe subpoena expires when the new congress is sworn in on Jan 3rd. There was no practical way to enforce it.",
">\n\nWhy not just let it expire?\nNow Republicans have a talking point that the January 6th Committee withdrew their subpoena.\nThey'll use it to muddy the waters and spread more misinformation.",
">\n\nThey already had their talking points. They've had them the whole time. They already released a \"counter report\" to the J6 committee. The committee withdrew it because they are closing up shop. The report is out. Where would Donnie's answers go?",
">\n\nWhy was he not charged with contempt for no show? Once again, he gets let off for bad behaviour",
">\n\nBecause they referred him for 4 much more serious crimes with longer sentences. Referring him for this is essentially pointless.",
">\n\nYes, but i see it as another nail in the coffin, and also sends a message that subpoenas are not to be ignored",
">\n\nImagine if you or I tried to just ignore a subpoena.",
">\n\nIt’s OK if you’re a Republican, as the war criminal’s daughter who voted in line with Trump’s policies during her House tenure can attest.",
">\n\nAnother instance of unequal justice under the law, imo. If you or I disregarded a subpoena from Congress we'd be going to jail...like Steve Bannon.",
">\n\nDrag it out, do nothing, repeat. Glad the J6 group produced a ton of info and exposed a lot of the bs but what's the point of nothing really happens? Media circus? I'm so tired.",
">\n\nGreat precedent. It's good to know if I'm ever subpoenaed by congress I can just ignore it.",
">\n\nJ6 knew he'd puss out and just wanted to get it on the record. And for the same reason they haven't gone after Meadows for ignoring his subpoena, are all of the other serious crimes hanging over him and the orange Traitor in Chief, especially now, the subpoenas aren't worth the time and effort.",
">\n\n\nAnd for the same reason they haven't gone after Meadows for ignoring his subpoena\n\nTo be fair... the House voted him in criminal contempt and sent the referral to that to the DoJ. There wasn't really anything they could do beyond that with respect to his subpoena (yes, inherent contempt in theory exists, in practice it would have been useless for multiple reasons).\nMeadows is also included in the big criminal referrals the committee issued as part of their report as well.",
">\n\nAs usual, this country’s justice system is a joke",
">\n\nThis was a subpoena issued by the congress, not DOJ. He would be arrested if this was subpoena by DOJ and he didn’t show.",
">\n\nLike I said lol this country’s justice system is a joke",
">\n\nBut the justice system has not been involved yet!!! Congressional hearing is not an example of the justice system. The congress has referred the case to the DOJ or “the justice system” as a result of their hearing. DOJ will pursue a criminal investigation and pursue charges. \nJudiciary (justice system as you call it), congress, and executive branches are constitutionally separate and independent to ensure checks and balances.\nJustice system in the US is not ideal, but this specific instance is not an example of these inefficiencies. This is an example of how the congress has been ineffective in doing their legislative actions. In this instance the correct statement would be “Legislative system in this country is a joke.” Justice system has not had a chance to show its incompetence yet. That will be next.",
">\n\nNaive of you to think this is anything more than a show they’re putting on. Nothing will come of it, democrats are by nature pussies let’s be real. None have any teeth or claws. The right is full of a bunch of tribalistic monkeys, party is apparently more important than country. I guess I can rephrase, besides making money and being the best business in the world, America is a joke.",
">\n\n\"OMG. I'm so outraged by this even though I have no idea why.\"\nIt'd be nice if you guys learned the difference between the subpoena and the criminal referral. trump was never going to show up for the subpoena especially since the GOP is about to take control. It's a completely moot point.",
">\n\nExactly. The committee already referred him to the DoJ on criminal charges. Everyone is acting like they're just taking their ball and going home. They already went well and beyond a mere subpoena here, and one of the charges that they're recommending is obstruction already.",
">\n\nAren’t subpoenas mandatory with consequences? Either you show up or go to jail. Trump did neither.",
">\n\nNot if you are rich. Laws are you only for the the lower 90%",
">\n\nThis is such bullshit.",
">\n\nAnother precedent set for rich criminals to not comply. If we citizens didn’t show we’d be at a black site with electrodes on our genitals.",
">\n\nThey should have charged Trump with contempt of Congress.",
">\n\nSo whens the next uprising on behalf of rich people? Just be sure you're actually a political player because if you're just a worker you'll be charged. Chess has really changed over the past hundred years.",
">\n\nTotally expected. \nTrump, the really TV star, said he'd only agree to answer the subpoena if it were live & televised. It's quite obvious the reason is that he'd ignore the questioning & use the free air time to spew his BS, much like in the Presidential debates. \nAnd I'm sure the incoming Republican House would have loved to have given him the opportunity",
">\n\nyeah kinda moot at this point , they already made those criminal referrals anyways lol i wish they would have perused charging him for not showing up however but maybe they figured in light of everything they should focus on the key issues and at this point whatever he had to say really doesnt matter anyways as he would just lie. his testimony would pretty much be useless. its still a shame we didnt get to see it just for historys sake lol",
">\n\nAl trump would do is take the 5th like any other ordinary criminal",
">\n\nSo far as things have gone, will it now be ok for Democrats to ignore all the subpoenas that this next R House is going to send around? I’d think so….",
">\n\nOur government has failed us.... Good luck everyone.",
">\n\nAh yes the criminal Justice system, quite possibly the longest running joke in America",
">\n\n& you just know the cheeto will say something like, ha!, they dropped the subpoena cause they knew I am innocent, or some 💩 like that",
">\n\nNo surprise there. Trump is above the law, as he has proven time and again, over and over throughout the last several years. \nI will be surprised if anything comes out of this investigation, at all. \nI will be surprised if the next republican president isn't worse than Trump. \nI mean seriously, how do they convict him of anything if they can't even call him for questioning. Ever heard of anyone, ever, to get convicted of a crime that didn't have to talk to investigators at some point? \nFuck America. Fuck Trump. And fuck the pussy ass people who refuse to do their fucking job.",
">\n\nThey dropped it because it wasn't necessary and would have given him a national platform needlessly. DOJ will pass to the special council which will bring formal charges, if any will be brought.",
">\n\nThis is actually heartbreaking. Seen a lot of politicians and people of note show time and time again that the rules for EVERY CITIZEN don’t apply to them and this stings just a little more",
">\n\nMy theory that he is blackmailing everyone from the White House down with Area 51 malarky is still holding water...",
">\n\nLet us all start committing crimes and see how that goes, this is bs",
">\n\nSuch bs. I knew he would sleeze his way out of any consequences for his actions. This will only embolden him & his lunatic followers. He incites a riot that kills people & gets away with it. If any of us incited a riot, we would still be in jail & if people died during the riot, we would be charged with murder as well. So sick & tired of the double standard when it comes to a president who breaks the law & walks away, just like nixon did.",
">\n\nshould not have dropped\nshould have referred it to doj for contempt of congress...\nwhite rich continue to get a pass for what the rest of us would have long ago been prosecuted and imprisoned...",
">\n\nThey already referred him to DOJ for obstruction of a govt proceeding last week. What are you talking about?",
">\n\nYeah, because why would you want to subpoena the guy who was completely responsible for the entire thing?\nThe Chuck Schumer neoliberals have engineered this to completely let Trump get away with it - because they think the Republicans are still their friends and they don't want to piss them off!",
">\n\nThey subpoenaed trump months ago. He declined to show. Since, investigation is over, they dropped it. This is not even really news worthy.",
">\n\nHalf the people in this thread have no idea what they're talking about and are confusing the subpoena with the criminal referral.",
">\n\nOh, is that what's going on? Lol. I was wondering why ppl are making a big deal about this. This is just the committee cleaning up loose ends.",
">\n\nIt's a big deal if someone who's now a private citizen, can do wtf he wants and ignore a Congressional subpoena.",
">\n\nIt takes votes by congress to hold in contempt. They didn't need trump's testimony. He would just show up and repeat I plead the 5th anyway. Pence ignored his, too. It's pointless to hold them in contempt and get off focus of actual investigation.",
">\n\nYou're proving my point. Congressional Democrats should have enforced the subpoena and made Trump plead the 5th to every question. Imagine if Pence also appeared and pled the 5th to every question. That is political magic for the Democrats, it makes them look guilty as hell.\nTrump committed a crime, and this is America. It should be the same as if I committed a crime. We would get arrested, taken to jail until the morning, see a judge and face our charges, and then either get released on OR, held for trial, or bail set. It's not much of a democracy if laws are not enforced against powerful people.",
">\n\nOnce you all realize this is just a game and you’re the pawn things will make a lot more sense.",
">\n\nNow hear him cry about never getting a chance to testify when he’s charged.",
">\n\nI see this less as a “you’re excused” and more of a “see you in court”",
">\n\nNo need to bother with it when they've already finished their work. The only thing that testimony would have accomplished would have been getting Trump to look bad on national television, and a potential perjury charge. Trump already has embarrassed himself in public in a massive way since then, and they have bigger crimes to recommend to the DOJ for prosecution.",
">\n\nThe moment they announced the subpoena everyone got a hard on that trump would have to talk. I said it then and I’ll say it again, trump will never have to face any punishment and he doesn’t have to comply to any law or rules. They’re all more suggestions instead of laws.",
">\n\nWhat a waste of fucking time",
">\n\nSo......this was a big fat waste of time and money?",
">\n\nI mean they made a criminal referral so, no? The committee wasn’t set up to solely investigate Dolt 45 and took the testimony of over a thousand people, why is it you believe withdrawing one subpoena because the committee is winding down renders the entire process a “waste of time and money.”",
">\n\nNo mention on CNN that they dropped the subpoena after a year of January 6 January 6 January 6 terrible news station",
">\n\nWell, it’s being run by a Republican so go figure",
">\n\nTalk about the wheels of justice turning slow. In this case reversing altogether. Well done.",
">\n\nI wish this surprised me.",
">\n\nLOL God this is so funny\nWhat the fuck did y'all expect if you have money you are above the law. It only applies to the poor and those who step on the toes of capital.",
">\n\nWhat a waste of money",
">\n\n...And a Happy New Year!",
">\n\nClassic",
">\n\nShocking",
">\n\nOur governing body are a bunch of cowards. The US is being safeguarded by self-interested Congresspersons who speak about accountability and act on cowardice.",
">\n\nLet's be honest he'll get away with everything with a slap on the wrist. This country won't prosecute a sitting or former president or high ranking politician, we've seen this over and over. The whole committee is sadly a publicity stunt to gain traction for Democrat's. I hope I'm completely wrong of course and that this country will start to feel like it's a democracy.",
">\n\nThe coup is in effect.",
">\n\nI have a sad feeling this committee is going to end up like a fart in the wind",
">\n\nYou’re not wrong",
">\n\nWtf are you talking about?",
">\n\nHands",
">\n\nWho are you talking to? Lmao",
">\n\nWent out with a whimper. The most Democrat thing ever.\nWish the Dems would learn how to take the gloves off, at least they would have a shot against an opponent that has no problems filling their gloves with lead shot. Then bragging about it.",
">\n\nThe subpoena, and associated contempt charges would be nothing when compared to the recommendations made by the committee to the DOJ. Whether or not the DOJ will act is all that matters at this point.",
">\n\nPathetic pieces of shit",
">\n\nAll theatre, all the time. Seems like by now, to most people, that somehow being trolled by their favorite elected might be possible.",
">\n\nSo wait, he just gets away with everything? Just like that?\nWhat about all the articles saying that Trump will most likely spend the rest of his life in prison?",
">\n\nThe subpoena has nothing to do with the recommendations made by the committee to the DOJ. The ball is in the DOJ’s court. The subpoena doesn’t impact anything. Absurd that he didn’t get held in contempt, but that is more of a distraction than anything.",
">\n\nI see. Thanks for explaining!",
">\n\nCan anyone explain why he was not arrested for not responding to the subpoena? I thought you had to respond to these?",
">\n\nFirst they would have had to vote for contempt. Then they would need to issue a referral to DOJ, then DOJ would need to consider it. That is not happening in a week before the new congress is sworn in an this committee expires. They have issued their report and no longer need to speak to him. That is why it was withdrawn. Their job is done.",
">\n\nSubpoenas are real, or they’re not.\nIn the real world if any person defied or ignored a subpoena they would be arrested immediately.\nWhy are some Americans allowed to break the law in broad daylight.",
">\n\nWhy is the DOJ dragging its feet in charging anyone?",
">\n\nDOJ has charged over 700 people out of January 6 and they continue to charge cases. Most of these cases took months if not years to come to fruition.\nAt the end of the day DOJ has no obligation to act on any of the committee’s referrals, although I believe they already have ongoing investigations as to several of the subjects. If anything new comes out of the committee’s work it’s unlikely to happen soon.",
">\n\nThe US is beyond broken. The wealthy can do whatever they want while we are the only ones who face consequences. I can’t wait to leave this shithole again. I won’t be making the mistake of coming back like I did last year.",
">\n\nSuch a farce",
">\n\nBut he wanted to appear!!",
">\n\nThe walls are closing in.",
">\n\nOk, people. Quit guilt-edging and go home.",
">\n\nWait so what is Trump a dastardly super villain who keeps getting away or a dumb oaf. You guys just can't decide.",
">\n\nI can’t wait until nothing happens!\nHas it happened yet?",
">\n\n“All animals are equal but some animals are more equal than others.” \nHey, do you think Reddit will ever reach a state of Nirvana where it will stop claiming “Trump is really sweating now!”?",
">\n\nDoes this not set some sort of precedence? If I now get subpoenaed for something can I not just point to Trump/Barr/Holder and say “no thank you”?",
">\n\nWithdrawing a subpoena sets no precedent and is not at all uncommon.",
">\n\nThe subpoena was issued quite some time ago wasn’t it? And he just flat refused. Were Barr and Holder’s also withdrawn?",
">\n\nI saw the headline and thought the committee dropped a subpoena the way you drop an album. Then I read the article and saw that they dropped it like you drop an extra filler track from an album.",
">\n\nIt would have been a waste of time anyway. \n\"Mr. Trump, did you tell your supporters that the election was stolen and send your supporters to violently break into the capitol building to stop Joe Biden from becoming president\"? - January 6th Committee \n\"The fifth\"! - Trump\nDOJ do your job to save this nation from tyranny and further destruction!🙏",
">\n\nSurprised pikachu face",
">\n\nBut these are the same people that wanted peaceful blm protestors bathed in their own blood? What point do we all take this into our own hands",
">\n\nOh, wow. This is really bad for you, US. Like ultra super deluxe so very not good.",
">\n\nLmao…\n“ThE WaLLs arE cLoSIng in”",
">\n\nwell duh...\npolitics from the beginning",
">\n\nWhat an absolute joke.",
">\n\nInb4 trump takes this decision and expresses it as: “completely exonerated!!!”",
">\n\nThey don’t need his testimony. As if he would ever go anywhere close to a government building after the committee’s final report. Just let him relax to make it easier to arrest him",
">\n\nfucking why?",
">\n\nIsn’t the rule that if you don’t comply with a congressional subpoena you can be held in contempt and fined or jailed? Can the House sergeant-at-arms arrest the person?",
">\n\nWow, naw fuck this.",
">\n\nHe wouldn't show up anyways...🐣",
">\n\nTFG is so slippery, Teflon wouldn't stick",
">\n\nNothing will truly come to fruition until we go out into the streets and force this issue ourselves.",
">\n\nWhat’s the point of that?",
">\n\nTold you.",
">\n\nSad, and utterly predictable.\nZero accountability is the death of liberty. Actual freedom means lawlessness, rather than being a nation of laws. \nThe GOP has now proved that no law matters, and that, like Russia, we are a nation governed by the biggest criminal.",
">\n\nHe should be forced to comply, then you can say you are done",
">\n\nAn absolute travesty of justice. I would've said keep the subpoena open forever. If there's some way for the subpoena's issuing body to dissolve without legally dropping the subpoena, thus leaving it in a permanent state of legal limbo, I would have advocated for that, so that the GOP could never whitewash the fact that he defied a lawfully issued subpoena.\nOtherwise, make the GOP drop it themselves; let them be the ones who let him get away with openly flouting a subpoena.",
">\n\nSo that's it???? This ASSHOLE is scott free from prosecution?",
">\n\nWhat a jackass",
">\n\nRepublicans representatives specifically...",
">\n\nIt doesn't matter anymore the witch hunt it over ! HE'S FALLIN IN HIS OWN S**t. Ding dong !",
">\n\nThey don't need him to testify at this point and they, nor anyone believed he would ever testify. They have all the evidence they need to pass on to the DOJ. Trump said he would testify at one point but that was 🐎 💩",
">\n\nNice cope posts!",
">\n\nTbh, I'm not sure it would be of any value for him to appear. It's not like they don't already have more than enough for DOJ to charge him with criminal acts, which the Committee cannot do, regardless. The real question is what DOJ will do.",
">\n\nI knew it all the build up was for show.",
">\n\nHonestly probably for the better. Nothing would’ve been accomplished and there’s a lot of examples he can bring up of dems trying fishy stuff in 2016. Is it at the level of what trump did? No. But it’s similar enough to make things difficult",
">\n\nSo a subpoena is really only a suggestion?",
">\n\nHe was right, “ I could stand in the middle of 5th Avenue and shoot somebody and I would not lose voters”, only now he could rephrase his quote and say “I could stand in the middle of 5th Avenue and shoot somebody and not get arrested”. It’s high time for the Dems to give up on this persecution and put their energy and zeal into enacting some some legislation that benefits their constituents. Then they could run on their record instead of “vote for me, I’m not Trump”.",
">\n\nThe cynic in me says: The midterms are over. This 'walls closing in\" BS is also over. With this dismal result, I'm guessing mileqtoast Merrick also won;t get anything actually done on the DOJ side. He just doesn;t have the nuts to see it through. Nothing is going to stick to this orange guy.",
">\n\nSo like hunter's laptop or ebstein's island...If your ritch and powerful enough it dosent matter!"
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"So far Trump's legal strategy of ignoring calls for accountability until Republicans in Congress can bail him out is workingly flawlessly.",
">\n\nThat doesn’t mean the DoJ can’t charge and prosecute. \nRight now everything is in response to republicans getting their slim majority in the house and lessen the damage they will do.\nThat said, they still have the mountain of evidence they did gather",
">\n\nWhat about when the AG/DOJ is a GOP appointee? You don’t think they’ll just put in a Bill Barr type on the entire thing?",
">\n\nNot while they have a democratic president and especially when the previous president lost them the midterms.\nThey were already planning on replacing trump with Desantes by equating the 2 (Martha’s Vineyard was part of that), they’re only gonna lose trying to put their party’s future on the line protect him further.\nThey gonna continue to spread doubt and try to discredit the investigations, but they’re barely holding onto a branch of government, they’re not stupid. Barr only worked because they held onto 2",
">\n\nUmmm that’s not what I meant. If a GOP candidate for President wins in 2024 , what are the actual legal implications. It’s not like it’s below them to interfere like they did with the collusion charges",
">\n\n\nThe House January 6 committee is withdrawing its subpoena of former President Donald Trump as it concludes its work.\n“In light of the imminent end of our investigation, the Select Committee can no longer pursue the specific information covered by the subpoena,” Chairman Bennie Thompson, a Mississippi Democrat, wrote in a letter to Trump’s attorney Wednesday obtained by CNN.\n“Therefore, through this letter, I hereby formally withdraw the subpoena issued to former President Trump, and notify you that he is no longer obligated to comply or produce records in response to said subpoena,” Thompson added.",
">\n\nConclusion: Former president Trump is above the law.",
">\n\nYeah kind of makes me sad. Trump can just ignore a subpoena, with zero consequences. \n“We believe you tried to overthrow the government. You are legally required to come talk to us about it.”\n“No thanks.”\n“Oh. Ok, never mind.”",
">\n\nNo consequences? He's has been referred to the DOJ for obstruction of a govt processing last week. They held a recorded vote.",
">\n\nThat’s not a consequence. It’s kicking the can. Trump will never, ever be held responsible for his role in destroying democracy in America.",
">\n\nThis is not TV or a movie. \"The wheels of justice grind slowly yet exceedingly fine\" is a saying for a reason. Federal investigations usually take years.",
">\n\nHe’s been investigated for years. No consequences. Just special appointments, investigations, and referrals. In the mean time, you know who DOES face consequences?\nAmerica.",
">\n\nYou are judging the end of the movie before it is over.\nThe previous investigations were being done while he had the shield of the presidency and an attorney general running obstruction for him. None of that is true now.",
">\n\nThe GOP will continue fighting on his behalf, because the majority are complicit in 45’s fuckery. Again, no consequences will be had. I’m willing to wager a gift card to your favorite local restaurant that he will live fat, rich, and free until at least the 2024/25 inauguration. Save this post.",
">\n\nWe'll see about that. I'll admit to the loss if thats the case.",
">\n\nMore proof that we the people have no rights in comparison to the billionaire ticks.",
">\n\nDude ain't no billionaire",
">\n\nNo, but his buddies are.",
">\n\nHis puppet masters maybe",
">\n\nI mean, who would have thought not starting the fight sooner would end like this?",
">\n\nDon’t worry. He’s got so many more coming.",
">\n\nThe idea that Trump will pay any price for his crimes is a fantasy.",
">\n\nIt’s actually happening. His company has been found guilty. His charity is closed. His cohorts are about to go to jail. His popularity sagging. Protection is gone. We just need the first indictment.",
">\n\nBut none is him",
">\n\nWell Trump Org is pretty much him but be patient.",
">\n\nDrops in the bucket. \nBeen patient for like 6 years now. How much more we gotta wait?",
">\n\nHe couldn’t be prosecuted while president. Watch GA and the special prosecutor. They’re moving fast.",
">\n\nCouldn't be?\nShould have been.",
">\n\nThat’s absolutely wild that any man is able to just straight up ignore a subpoena with zero consequences. Definition of “above the law”. If he gets away with this, he is going to be more dangerous than ever. You get away with leading a coup/insurrection, you’re going to assume you can get away with literally anything. \nMaybe trump was right… he really could shoot someone in the middle of 5th avenue and not lose any voters…and also probably not even get in trouble",
">\n\nSerious questions...so the committee pull the subpoena, but it's up to DOJ for any additional follow up, but when the new congress is in session they can tell DOJ to drop everything? Is that how's its going to go down? Because I thought DOJ is supposed to be independent once given the committee's findings?",
">\n\nThe DOJ is certainly independent of Congress. As for the committee - the only thing they would've done differently was vote on a criminal referral for contempt of Congress. Although there is some truth to congressional contempt needing to stem from congress, The DOJ has no obligation to act on a referral - it is more akin to a recommendation.\nWith that being said, the committee knew it wasn't going to serve any real benefit, so they decided not to.\n\nThe DOJ decided not to prosecute Meadows and Scavino for contempt due to their close ties to the executive. This pretty much ruled out any chance of it happening to Trump, a former President. \nEven a completely successful referral (Steve Bannon) showed how inconsequential Congressional subpoena power is. For one, it is a misdemeanor. It has been ~15 months since Bannon was referred, and he was found guilty and sentenced, and he is still a free man pending appeal. And even if upheld, it's only 4 months in prison as just shy of maximum sentencing guidelines. \nThe DOJ, if they prosecute, are aiming at much bigger crimes - notably Obstruction of an Official Proceeding, which carries up to 20 years. And they'd be potentially trying these crimes in the same jurisdiction.\n\nSo I'm sure the calculation was that it just wasn't worth throwing a referral at the DOJ for something they'd never follow up on, and wouldn't be much benefit if they did.",
">\n\nIn summary, he’s committed so many crimes that this one isn’t worth any effort",
">\n\nEssentially, yeah. The DOJ has two big chances to secure a conviction: Mar-A-Lago and Jan. 6 - and they will likely bring multiple charges in a D.C. court if they decide to prosecute. Mar-A-Lago will come first, which has virtually nothing to do with this committee's work.\nReferring a misdemeanor to tack onto 4 serious felonies they referred probably only risked muddying the larger offenses. Can't blame them honestly.",
">\n\nWhat is “Mar a Lago” in this context! The tax scheme? Classified documents?",
">\n\nThe classified documents",
">\n\nSmall point but they weren't all classified and don't need to be, for what he did to be illegal. Just trying to avoid republican framing.",
">\n\nHillary was not afraid to testify every time she was asked (and testified for hours and hours each time, answering all questions asked) and never took the 5th. Yet republicans act like she is the criminal when it always has been trump.",
">\n\nEven if she was wrong she was smarter than any of the R in the room. That woman was a machine during those hearings and gave them nothing to work with.",
">\n\nShe is definitely smarter than that barrel of monkeys who questioned her, but ultimately, there was nothing to get from her - the perfect opposite case of crimey benedict donald and his co-conspirators.",
">\n\nIt's interesting to see that people think this subpoena would have continued to exist past Jan 3, 2023 given that that's when ALL open subpoenas from the outgoing congress expire and become null and void. Even if the J6 committee continued to exist- they would be required to file a brand new one in the new session.",
">\n\nIt wouldn't be that hard to file a brand new subpoena, they have lawyers who work full-time for them. That isn't an obstacle.",
">\n\nExcept for the committee doesn't exist in the new Congress and they have no powers to do anything if they don't exist.",
">\n\nIt's easy to get the two confused a lot of times.",
">\n\nHow many of y'all actually thought he wasn't going to run out the clock? \nNothing will fundamentally change.",
">\n\nNobody. The “justice takes time” chorus that dominated the narrative was only here to quell social unrest so society didn’t take a dive while the rich mocked us from their golden pedestals.",
">\n\nSerious question: Why? So what if the Dems lose power in the Congress. Let the Republicans be the one to formally dismantle the committee and subpoena on record. Then when hopefully Trump is charged by the DOJ, dems have another talking point for 2024 that the Republicans hate law and order and protect mob bosses.",
">\n\nThe select committee expires at the end of the congressional session. So they do not need to question him because the committee will not exist.",
">\n\nBut what is the point of formally withdrawing the subpoena? What does it accomplish?",
">\n\nThe committee is over. They have issued the report, they are closing up shop. They are following the process. A secondary part of the committees job was to show how a REAL congressional hearing should be handled. None of that sloppy ass grandstanding they did for Benghazi",
">\n\nMy viewpoint is that Trump and the GOP are just going to use this as “proof” that he did nothing wrong. Remember how the Mueller report “exonerated” Trump? His base believes this shit wholeheartedly and I guarantee he will use this as “evidence” for his innocence.\nShowing how things SHOULD be handled instead of taking whatever measures needed to protect Americans lead to Jan 6th happening in the first place. We all know how things should be handled, how the rules should work, but one side is willing to do whatever they need to keep power and the other is getting walked over.\nIs taking the high road worth letting fascism into our government?",
">\n\nIt’s good to know that republicans are allowed to ignore subpoenas. That’s useful info for them. Don’t expect dems to get that treatment",
">\n\nThey dropped the ball in not issuing one a couple of months ago",
">\n\nActually the Democrats have done everything not to ever pick up the ball even once. They let trump appointed republicans appoint a republican special counsel to fall like a straw man to blatant obstruction in the Russia probe. They turned it into a fundraiser for campaigning. \nThis time they let liz Cheney take the reins, who was able to preserve her republican prerogatives throughout this entire ordeal. \nThe fact is that you're all being cucked by forces of controlled opposition and I'm apparently the only one in the world who can't be so easily mitigated.\nI can't depend on any of you anymore than you can depend on yourselves.",
">\n\nYou lost all credibility at the end when you said cuck and act like you’re the smartest person in the world. Be gone!",
">\n\nYeah, I don't know how anyone can be expected to be taken seriously using that whole sentence unironically.",
">\n\nI don't expect to be taken seriously whether I say it or not, yet the facts remain as I've described.",
">\n\nI didn’t see that coming, said absolutely no one.",
">\n\nWhy.",
">\n\nHUGE mistake. The committee will be dissolved by the GOPers in a couple weeks, and all this did was to give the Marmalade Moses another fake victory to rile up his lemmings.",
">\n\nIt’s funny because I say the same thing every time about trump never getting charged and I always get shit about it like BUT NO THIS TIME IS DIFFERENT. \nLmao right. Sure it is.",
">\n\nFucking same. This is just more “ammo” for his orange, shit spewing mouth.",
">\n\nThis guy is still getting more media coverage than the current potus two years into his term. Crazy.",
">\n\nIt does blow that he wasn't forced to comply with the subpoena but for people thinking what a bummer this seems like, the house is switching to a republican majority in like a week so it didn't make a whole lot of sense to leave an active subpoena on record knowing it would never be resolved. They likely knew he wasn't going to comply when it was issued only now its offical that it was officially issued, ignored by trump, and terminated. Who knows if the DOJ will eventually file but everyone pretty much already knew that little temper tantrum trump wasn't going to aid in his own house sedition investigation.",
">\n\nIf we restrict ourselves to the issue of compliance with a subpoena from this committee, then the recent election clearly mooted every aspect of penalties or consequences related to ignoring the subpoena.\nIt's like a big brother was called over and little bro wanted him to force his adversary to bow and kiss the ground. But by the time big bro finally wanders over, the kid goes \"nah... we're good.\"\nA lot of folk like to believe contempt of court or contempt of congress is like any other crime where you do the deed and have to face the punishment. But, in general, these things do not work like crimes. Even where contempt has been codified such that there is a criminal contempt aspect, the goal remains to seek or to force compliance. This leads to \"punishments\" which are better or worse depending on how you view things. A simple view is that you could be \"sentenced\" to indefinite incarceration because it's a \"jailed until compliance\" thing.\nIn this case, Congress has been very, very reticent to try to use their inherent power to jail someone. So the most they ever do these days is refer the case to the DoJ to pursue criminal contempt of congress.\nAll in all, is this a \"good\" thing? Maybe it's not as bad as we feel it to be. Imagine any sort of argument where someone demands you do something. You retort \"are you sure?\" Bystanders urge folk cool down and think about it. Map that into the way Congress changes every two years and you get a sense that unless something is important enough that it remains after the public alters the composition of the legislative branch, maybe it's not all that important (to the public) after all.\nOn the other hand, why would anyone fear Congress when they demonstrate time and again there never really are any consequences for refusal to comply with subpoenas? But... do we want to quake in fear whenever some nutjob party gains control and enacts something as dire as the Committee on Unamerican Activities?",
">\n\nWhat is the advantage of dropping the subpoena, as opposed to just letting it expire/letting the new congress withdraw it? Why go on record saying he no longer has to come in? I get that he was never going to show, I’m just curious why this is better than the alternative.",
">\n\nI’m wondering this too. There has to be a good reason.",
">\n\n?? Why, like it had no power, but still why? This looks like weakness",
">\n\nThe subpoena expires when the new congress is sworn in on Jan 3rd. There was no practical way to enforce it.",
">\n\nWhy not just let it expire?\nNow Republicans have a talking point that the January 6th Committee withdrew their subpoena.\nThey'll use it to muddy the waters and spread more misinformation.",
">\n\nThey already had their talking points. They've had them the whole time. They already released a \"counter report\" to the J6 committee. The committee withdrew it because they are closing up shop. The report is out. Where would Donnie's answers go?",
">\n\nWhy was he not charged with contempt for no show? Once again, he gets let off for bad behaviour",
">\n\nBecause they referred him for 4 much more serious crimes with longer sentences. Referring him for this is essentially pointless.",
">\n\nYes, but i see it as another nail in the coffin, and also sends a message that subpoenas are not to be ignored",
">\n\nImagine if you or I tried to just ignore a subpoena.",
">\n\nIt’s OK if you’re a Republican, as the war criminal’s daughter who voted in line with Trump’s policies during her House tenure can attest.",
">\n\nAnother instance of unequal justice under the law, imo. If you or I disregarded a subpoena from Congress we'd be going to jail...like Steve Bannon.",
">\n\nDrag it out, do nothing, repeat. Glad the J6 group produced a ton of info and exposed a lot of the bs but what's the point of nothing really happens? Media circus? I'm so tired.",
">\n\nGreat precedent. It's good to know if I'm ever subpoenaed by congress I can just ignore it.",
">\n\nJ6 knew he'd puss out and just wanted to get it on the record. And for the same reason they haven't gone after Meadows for ignoring his subpoena, are all of the other serious crimes hanging over him and the orange Traitor in Chief, especially now, the subpoenas aren't worth the time and effort.",
">\n\n\nAnd for the same reason they haven't gone after Meadows for ignoring his subpoena\n\nTo be fair... the House voted him in criminal contempt and sent the referral to that to the DoJ. There wasn't really anything they could do beyond that with respect to his subpoena (yes, inherent contempt in theory exists, in practice it would have been useless for multiple reasons).\nMeadows is also included in the big criminal referrals the committee issued as part of their report as well.",
">\n\nAs usual, this country’s justice system is a joke",
">\n\nThis was a subpoena issued by the congress, not DOJ. He would be arrested if this was subpoena by DOJ and he didn’t show.",
">\n\nLike I said lol this country’s justice system is a joke",
">\n\nBut the justice system has not been involved yet!!! Congressional hearing is not an example of the justice system. The congress has referred the case to the DOJ or “the justice system” as a result of their hearing. DOJ will pursue a criminal investigation and pursue charges. \nJudiciary (justice system as you call it), congress, and executive branches are constitutionally separate and independent to ensure checks and balances.\nJustice system in the US is not ideal, but this specific instance is not an example of these inefficiencies. This is an example of how the congress has been ineffective in doing their legislative actions. In this instance the correct statement would be “Legislative system in this country is a joke.” Justice system has not had a chance to show its incompetence yet. That will be next.",
">\n\nNaive of you to think this is anything more than a show they’re putting on. Nothing will come of it, democrats are by nature pussies let’s be real. None have any teeth or claws. The right is full of a bunch of tribalistic monkeys, party is apparently more important than country. I guess I can rephrase, besides making money and being the best business in the world, America is a joke.",
">\n\n\"OMG. I'm so outraged by this even though I have no idea why.\"\nIt'd be nice if you guys learned the difference between the subpoena and the criminal referral. trump was never going to show up for the subpoena especially since the GOP is about to take control. It's a completely moot point.",
">\n\nExactly. The committee already referred him to the DoJ on criminal charges. Everyone is acting like they're just taking their ball and going home. They already went well and beyond a mere subpoena here, and one of the charges that they're recommending is obstruction already.",
">\n\nAren’t subpoenas mandatory with consequences? Either you show up or go to jail. Trump did neither.",
">\n\nNot if you are rich. Laws are you only for the the lower 90%",
">\n\nThis is such bullshit.",
">\n\nAnother precedent set for rich criminals to not comply. If we citizens didn’t show we’d be at a black site with electrodes on our genitals.",
">\n\nThey should have charged Trump with contempt of Congress.",
">\n\nSo whens the next uprising on behalf of rich people? Just be sure you're actually a political player because if you're just a worker you'll be charged. Chess has really changed over the past hundred years.",
">\n\nTotally expected. \nTrump, the really TV star, said he'd only agree to answer the subpoena if it were live & televised. It's quite obvious the reason is that he'd ignore the questioning & use the free air time to spew his BS, much like in the Presidential debates. \nAnd I'm sure the incoming Republican House would have loved to have given him the opportunity",
">\n\nyeah kinda moot at this point , they already made those criminal referrals anyways lol i wish they would have perused charging him for not showing up however but maybe they figured in light of everything they should focus on the key issues and at this point whatever he had to say really doesnt matter anyways as he would just lie. his testimony would pretty much be useless. its still a shame we didnt get to see it just for historys sake lol",
">\n\nAl trump would do is take the 5th like any other ordinary criminal",
">\n\nSo far as things have gone, will it now be ok for Democrats to ignore all the subpoenas that this next R House is going to send around? I’d think so….",
">\n\nOur government has failed us.... Good luck everyone.",
">\n\nAh yes the criminal Justice system, quite possibly the longest running joke in America",
">\n\n& you just know the cheeto will say something like, ha!, they dropped the subpoena cause they knew I am innocent, or some 💩 like that",
">\n\nNo surprise there. Trump is above the law, as he has proven time and again, over and over throughout the last several years. \nI will be surprised if anything comes out of this investigation, at all. \nI will be surprised if the next republican president isn't worse than Trump. \nI mean seriously, how do they convict him of anything if they can't even call him for questioning. Ever heard of anyone, ever, to get convicted of a crime that didn't have to talk to investigators at some point? \nFuck America. Fuck Trump. And fuck the pussy ass people who refuse to do their fucking job.",
">\n\nThey dropped it because it wasn't necessary and would have given him a national platform needlessly. DOJ will pass to the special council which will bring formal charges, if any will be brought.",
">\n\nThis is actually heartbreaking. Seen a lot of politicians and people of note show time and time again that the rules for EVERY CITIZEN don’t apply to them and this stings just a little more",
">\n\nMy theory that he is blackmailing everyone from the White House down with Area 51 malarky is still holding water...",
">\n\nLet us all start committing crimes and see how that goes, this is bs",
">\n\nSuch bs. I knew he would sleeze his way out of any consequences for his actions. This will only embolden him & his lunatic followers. He incites a riot that kills people & gets away with it. If any of us incited a riot, we would still be in jail & if people died during the riot, we would be charged with murder as well. So sick & tired of the double standard when it comes to a president who breaks the law & walks away, just like nixon did.",
">\n\nshould not have dropped\nshould have referred it to doj for contempt of congress...\nwhite rich continue to get a pass for what the rest of us would have long ago been prosecuted and imprisoned...",
">\n\nThey already referred him to DOJ for obstruction of a govt proceeding last week. What are you talking about?",
">\n\nYeah, because why would you want to subpoena the guy who was completely responsible for the entire thing?\nThe Chuck Schumer neoliberals have engineered this to completely let Trump get away with it - because they think the Republicans are still their friends and they don't want to piss them off!",
">\n\nThey subpoenaed trump months ago. He declined to show. Since, investigation is over, they dropped it. This is not even really news worthy.",
">\n\nHalf the people in this thread have no idea what they're talking about and are confusing the subpoena with the criminal referral.",
">\n\nOh, is that what's going on? Lol. I was wondering why ppl are making a big deal about this. This is just the committee cleaning up loose ends.",
">\n\nIt's a big deal if someone who's now a private citizen, can do wtf he wants and ignore a Congressional subpoena.",
">\n\nIt takes votes by congress to hold in contempt. They didn't need trump's testimony. He would just show up and repeat I plead the 5th anyway. Pence ignored his, too. It's pointless to hold them in contempt and get off focus of actual investigation.",
">\n\nYou're proving my point. Congressional Democrats should have enforced the subpoena and made Trump plead the 5th to every question. Imagine if Pence also appeared and pled the 5th to every question. That is political magic for the Democrats, it makes them look guilty as hell.\nTrump committed a crime, and this is America. It should be the same as if I committed a crime. We would get arrested, taken to jail until the morning, see a judge and face our charges, and then either get released on OR, held for trial, or bail set. It's not much of a democracy if laws are not enforced against powerful people.",
">\n\nOnce you all realize this is just a game and you’re the pawn things will make a lot more sense.",
">\n\nNow hear him cry about never getting a chance to testify when he’s charged.",
">\n\nI see this less as a “you’re excused” and more of a “see you in court”",
">\n\nNo need to bother with it when they've already finished their work. The only thing that testimony would have accomplished would have been getting Trump to look bad on national television, and a potential perjury charge. Trump already has embarrassed himself in public in a massive way since then, and they have bigger crimes to recommend to the DOJ for prosecution.",
">\n\nThe moment they announced the subpoena everyone got a hard on that trump would have to talk. I said it then and I’ll say it again, trump will never have to face any punishment and he doesn’t have to comply to any law or rules. They’re all more suggestions instead of laws.",
">\n\nWhat a waste of fucking time",
">\n\nSo......this was a big fat waste of time and money?",
">\n\nI mean they made a criminal referral so, no? The committee wasn’t set up to solely investigate Dolt 45 and took the testimony of over a thousand people, why is it you believe withdrawing one subpoena because the committee is winding down renders the entire process a “waste of time and money.”",
">\n\nNo mention on CNN that they dropped the subpoena after a year of January 6 January 6 January 6 terrible news station",
">\n\nWell, it’s being run by a Republican so go figure",
">\n\nTalk about the wheels of justice turning slow. In this case reversing altogether. Well done.",
">\n\nI wish this surprised me.",
">\n\nLOL God this is so funny\nWhat the fuck did y'all expect if you have money you are above the law. It only applies to the poor and those who step on the toes of capital.",
">\n\nWhat a waste of money",
">\n\n...And a Happy New Year!",
">\n\nClassic",
">\n\nShocking",
">\n\nOur governing body are a bunch of cowards. The US is being safeguarded by self-interested Congresspersons who speak about accountability and act on cowardice.",
">\n\nLet's be honest he'll get away with everything with a slap on the wrist. This country won't prosecute a sitting or former president or high ranking politician, we've seen this over and over. The whole committee is sadly a publicity stunt to gain traction for Democrat's. I hope I'm completely wrong of course and that this country will start to feel like it's a democracy.",
">\n\nThe coup is in effect.",
">\n\nI have a sad feeling this committee is going to end up like a fart in the wind",
">\n\nYou’re not wrong",
">\n\nWtf are you talking about?",
">\n\nHands",
">\n\nWho are you talking to? Lmao",
">\n\nWent out with a whimper. The most Democrat thing ever.\nWish the Dems would learn how to take the gloves off, at least they would have a shot against an opponent that has no problems filling their gloves with lead shot. Then bragging about it.",
">\n\nThe subpoena, and associated contempt charges would be nothing when compared to the recommendations made by the committee to the DOJ. Whether or not the DOJ will act is all that matters at this point.",
">\n\nPathetic pieces of shit",
">\n\nAll theatre, all the time. Seems like by now, to most people, that somehow being trolled by their favorite elected might be possible.",
">\n\nSo wait, he just gets away with everything? Just like that?\nWhat about all the articles saying that Trump will most likely spend the rest of his life in prison?",
">\n\nThe subpoena has nothing to do with the recommendations made by the committee to the DOJ. The ball is in the DOJ’s court. The subpoena doesn’t impact anything. Absurd that he didn’t get held in contempt, but that is more of a distraction than anything.",
">\n\nI see. Thanks for explaining!",
">\n\nCan anyone explain why he was not arrested for not responding to the subpoena? I thought you had to respond to these?",
">\n\nFirst they would have had to vote for contempt. Then they would need to issue a referral to DOJ, then DOJ would need to consider it. That is not happening in a week before the new congress is sworn in an this committee expires. They have issued their report and no longer need to speak to him. That is why it was withdrawn. Their job is done.",
">\n\nSubpoenas are real, or they’re not.\nIn the real world if any person defied or ignored a subpoena they would be arrested immediately.\nWhy are some Americans allowed to break the law in broad daylight.",
">\n\nWhy is the DOJ dragging its feet in charging anyone?",
">\n\nDOJ has charged over 700 people out of January 6 and they continue to charge cases. Most of these cases took months if not years to come to fruition.\nAt the end of the day DOJ has no obligation to act on any of the committee’s referrals, although I believe they already have ongoing investigations as to several of the subjects. If anything new comes out of the committee’s work it’s unlikely to happen soon.",
">\n\nThe US is beyond broken. The wealthy can do whatever they want while we are the only ones who face consequences. I can’t wait to leave this shithole again. I won’t be making the mistake of coming back like I did last year.",
">\n\nSuch a farce",
">\n\nBut he wanted to appear!!",
">\n\nThe walls are closing in.",
">\n\nOk, people. Quit guilt-edging and go home.",
">\n\nWait so what is Trump a dastardly super villain who keeps getting away or a dumb oaf. You guys just can't decide.",
">\n\nI can’t wait until nothing happens!\nHas it happened yet?",
">\n\n“All animals are equal but some animals are more equal than others.” \nHey, do you think Reddit will ever reach a state of Nirvana where it will stop claiming “Trump is really sweating now!”?",
">\n\nDoes this not set some sort of precedence? If I now get subpoenaed for something can I not just point to Trump/Barr/Holder and say “no thank you”?",
">\n\nWithdrawing a subpoena sets no precedent and is not at all uncommon.",
">\n\nThe subpoena was issued quite some time ago wasn’t it? And he just flat refused. Were Barr and Holder’s also withdrawn?",
">\n\nI saw the headline and thought the committee dropped a subpoena the way you drop an album. Then I read the article and saw that they dropped it like you drop an extra filler track from an album.",
">\n\nIt would have been a waste of time anyway. \n\"Mr. Trump, did you tell your supporters that the election was stolen and send your supporters to violently break into the capitol building to stop Joe Biden from becoming president\"? - January 6th Committee \n\"The fifth\"! - Trump\nDOJ do your job to save this nation from tyranny and further destruction!🙏",
">\n\nSurprised pikachu face",
">\n\nBut these are the same people that wanted peaceful blm protestors bathed in their own blood? What point do we all take this into our own hands",
">\n\nOh, wow. This is really bad for you, US. Like ultra super deluxe so very not good.",
">\n\nLmao…\n“ThE WaLLs arE cLoSIng in”",
">\n\nwell duh...\npolitics from the beginning",
">\n\nWhat an absolute joke.",
">\n\nInb4 trump takes this decision and expresses it as: “completely exonerated!!!”",
">\n\nThey don’t need his testimony. As if he would ever go anywhere close to a government building after the committee’s final report. Just let him relax to make it easier to arrest him",
">\n\nfucking why?",
">\n\nIsn’t the rule that if you don’t comply with a congressional subpoena you can be held in contempt and fined or jailed? Can the House sergeant-at-arms arrest the person?",
">\n\nWow, naw fuck this.",
">\n\nHe wouldn't show up anyways...🐣",
">\n\nTFG is so slippery, Teflon wouldn't stick",
">\n\nNothing will truly come to fruition until we go out into the streets and force this issue ourselves.",
">\n\nWhat’s the point of that?",
">\n\nTold you.",
">\n\nSad, and utterly predictable.\nZero accountability is the death of liberty. Actual freedom means lawlessness, rather than being a nation of laws. \nThe GOP has now proved that no law matters, and that, like Russia, we are a nation governed by the biggest criminal.",
">\n\nHe should be forced to comply, then you can say you are done",
">\n\nAn absolute travesty of justice. I would've said keep the subpoena open forever. If there's some way for the subpoena's issuing body to dissolve without legally dropping the subpoena, thus leaving it in a permanent state of legal limbo, I would have advocated for that, so that the GOP could never whitewash the fact that he defied a lawfully issued subpoena.\nOtherwise, make the GOP drop it themselves; let them be the ones who let him get away with openly flouting a subpoena.",
">\n\nSo that's it???? This ASSHOLE is scott free from prosecution?",
">\n\nWhat a jackass",
">\n\nRepublicans representatives specifically...",
">\n\nIt doesn't matter anymore the witch hunt it over ! HE'S FALLIN IN HIS OWN S**t. Ding dong !",
">\n\nThey don't need him to testify at this point and they, nor anyone believed he would ever testify. They have all the evidence they need to pass on to the DOJ. Trump said he would testify at one point but that was 🐎 💩",
">\n\nNice cope posts!",
">\n\nTbh, I'm not sure it would be of any value for him to appear. It's not like they don't already have more than enough for DOJ to charge him with criminal acts, which the Committee cannot do, regardless. The real question is what DOJ will do.",
">\n\nI knew it all the build up was for show.",
">\n\nHonestly probably for the better. Nothing would’ve been accomplished and there’s a lot of examples he can bring up of dems trying fishy stuff in 2016. Is it at the level of what trump did? No. But it’s similar enough to make things difficult",
">\n\nSo a subpoena is really only a suggestion?",
">\n\nHe was right, “ I could stand in the middle of 5th Avenue and shoot somebody and I would not lose voters”, only now he could rephrase his quote and say “I could stand in the middle of 5th Avenue and shoot somebody and not get arrested”. It’s high time for the Dems to give up on this persecution and put their energy and zeal into enacting some some legislation that benefits their constituents. Then they could run on their record instead of “vote for me, I’m not Trump”.",
">\n\nThe cynic in me says: The midterms are over. This 'walls closing in\" BS is also over. With this dismal result, I'm guessing mileqtoast Merrick also won;t get anything actually done on the DOJ side. He just doesn;t have the nuts to see it through. Nothing is going to stick to this orange guy.",
">\n\nSo like hunter's laptop or ebstein's island...If your ritch and powerful enough it dosent matter!",
">\n\nEpstein\nRich\nYou’re\nDoesn’t"
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"So far Trump's legal strategy of ignoring calls for accountability until Republicans in Congress can bail him out is workingly flawlessly.",
">\n\nThat doesn’t mean the DoJ can’t charge and prosecute. \nRight now everything is in response to republicans getting their slim majority in the house and lessen the damage they will do.\nThat said, they still have the mountain of evidence they did gather",
">\n\nWhat about when the AG/DOJ is a GOP appointee? You don’t think they’ll just put in a Bill Barr type on the entire thing?",
">\n\nNot while they have a democratic president and especially when the previous president lost them the midterms.\nThey were already planning on replacing trump with Desantes by equating the 2 (Martha’s Vineyard was part of that), they’re only gonna lose trying to put their party’s future on the line protect him further.\nThey gonna continue to spread doubt and try to discredit the investigations, but they’re barely holding onto a branch of government, they’re not stupid. Barr only worked because they held onto 2",
">\n\nUmmm that’s not what I meant. If a GOP candidate for President wins in 2024 , what are the actual legal implications. It’s not like it’s below them to interfere like they did with the collusion charges",
">\n\n\nThe House January 6 committee is withdrawing its subpoena of former President Donald Trump as it concludes its work.\n“In light of the imminent end of our investigation, the Select Committee can no longer pursue the specific information covered by the subpoena,” Chairman Bennie Thompson, a Mississippi Democrat, wrote in a letter to Trump’s attorney Wednesday obtained by CNN.\n“Therefore, through this letter, I hereby formally withdraw the subpoena issued to former President Trump, and notify you that he is no longer obligated to comply or produce records in response to said subpoena,” Thompson added.",
">\n\nConclusion: Former president Trump is above the law.",
">\n\nYeah kind of makes me sad. Trump can just ignore a subpoena, with zero consequences. \n“We believe you tried to overthrow the government. You are legally required to come talk to us about it.”\n“No thanks.”\n“Oh. Ok, never mind.”",
">\n\nNo consequences? He's has been referred to the DOJ for obstruction of a govt processing last week. They held a recorded vote.",
">\n\nThat’s not a consequence. It’s kicking the can. Trump will never, ever be held responsible for his role in destroying democracy in America.",
">\n\nThis is not TV or a movie. \"The wheels of justice grind slowly yet exceedingly fine\" is a saying for a reason. Federal investigations usually take years.",
">\n\nHe’s been investigated for years. No consequences. Just special appointments, investigations, and referrals. In the mean time, you know who DOES face consequences?\nAmerica.",
">\n\nYou are judging the end of the movie before it is over.\nThe previous investigations were being done while he had the shield of the presidency and an attorney general running obstruction for him. None of that is true now.",
">\n\nThe GOP will continue fighting on his behalf, because the majority are complicit in 45’s fuckery. Again, no consequences will be had. I’m willing to wager a gift card to your favorite local restaurant that he will live fat, rich, and free until at least the 2024/25 inauguration. Save this post.",
">\n\nWe'll see about that. I'll admit to the loss if thats the case.",
">\n\nMore proof that we the people have no rights in comparison to the billionaire ticks.",
">\n\nDude ain't no billionaire",
">\n\nNo, but his buddies are.",
">\n\nHis puppet masters maybe",
">\n\nI mean, who would have thought not starting the fight sooner would end like this?",
">\n\nDon’t worry. He’s got so many more coming.",
">\n\nThe idea that Trump will pay any price for his crimes is a fantasy.",
">\n\nIt’s actually happening. His company has been found guilty. His charity is closed. His cohorts are about to go to jail. His popularity sagging. Protection is gone. We just need the first indictment.",
">\n\nBut none is him",
">\n\nWell Trump Org is pretty much him but be patient.",
">\n\nDrops in the bucket. \nBeen patient for like 6 years now. How much more we gotta wait?",
">\n\nHe couldn’t be prosecuted while president. Watch GA and the special prosecutor. They’re moving fast.",
">\n\nCouldn't be?\nShould have been.",
">\n\nThat’s absolutely wild that any man is able to just straight up ignore a subpoena with zero consequences. Definition of “above the law”. If he gets away with this, he is going to be more dangerous than ever. You get away with leading a coup/insurrection, you’re going to assume you can get away with literally anything. \nMaybe trump was right… he really could shoot someone in the middle of 5th avenue and not lose any voters…and also probably not even get in trouble",
">\n\nSerious questions...so the committee pull the subpoena, but it's up to DOJ for any additional follow up, but when the new congress is in session they can tell DOJ to drop everything? Is that how's its going to go down? Because I thought DOJ is supposed to be independent once given the committee's findings?",
">\n\nThe DOJ is certainly independent of Congress. As for the committee - the only thing they would've done differently was vote on a criminal referral for contempt of Congress. Although there is some truth to congressional contempt needing to stem from congress, The DOJ has no obligation to act on a referral - it is more akin to a recommendation.\nWith that being said, the committee knew it wasn't going to serve any real benefit, so they decided not to.\n\nThe DOJ decided not to prosecute Meadows and Scavino for contempt due to their close ties to the executive. This pretty much ruled out any chance of it happening to Trump, a former President. \nEven a completely successful referral (Steve Bannon) showed how inconsequential Congressional subpoena power is. For one, it is a misdemeanor. It has been ~15 months since Bannon was referred, and he was found guilty and sentenced, and he is still a free man pending appeal. And even if upheld, it's only 4 months in prison as just shy of maximum sentencing guidelines. \nThe DOJ, if they prosecute, are aiming at much bigger crimes - notably Obstruction of an Official Proceeding, which carries up to 20 years. And they'd be potentially trying these crimes in the same jurisdiction.\n\nSo I'm sure the calculation was that it just wasn't worth throwing a referral at the DOJ for something they'd never follow up on, and wouldn't be much benefit if they did.",
">\n\nIn summary, he’s committed so many crimes that this one isn’t worth any effort",
">\n\nEssentially, yeah. The DOJ has two big chances to secure a conviction: Mar-A-Lago and Jan. 6 - and they will likely bring multiple charges in a D.C. court if they decide to prosecute. Mar-A-Lago will come first, which has virtually nothing to do with this committee's work.\nReferring a misdemeanor to tack onto 4 serious felonies they referred probably only risked muddying the larger offenses. Can't blame them honestly.",
">\n\nWhat is “Mar a Lago” in this context! The tax scheme? Classified documents?",
">\n\nThe classified documents",
">\n\nSmall point but they weren't all classified and don't need to be, for what he did to be illegal. Just trying to avoid republican framing.",
">\n\nHillary was not afraid to testify every time she was asked (and testified for hours and hours each time, answering all questions asked) and never took the 5th. Yet republicans act like she is the criminal when it always has been trump.",
">\n\nEven if she was wrong she was smarter than any of the R in the room. That woman was a machine during those hearings and gave them nothing to work with.",
">\n\nShe is definitely smarter than that barrel of monkeys who questioned her, but ultimately, there was nothing to get from her - the perfect opposite case of crimey benedict donald and his co-conspirators.",
">\n\nIt's interesting to see that people think this subpoena would have continued to exist past Jan 3, 2023 given that that's when ALL open subpoenas from the outgoing congress expire and become null and void. Even if the J6 committee continued to exist- they would be required to file a brand new one in the new session.",
">\n\nIt wouldn't be that hard to file a brand new subpoena, they have lawyers who work full-time for them. That isn't an obstacle.",
">\n\nExcept for the committee doesn't exist in the new Congress and they have no powers to do anything if they don't exist.",
">\n\nIt's easy to get the two confused a lot of times.",
">\n\nHow many of y'all actually thought he wasn't going to run out the clock? \nNothing will fundamentally change.",
">\n\nNobody. The “justice takes time” chorus that dominated the narrative was only here to quell social unrest so society didn’t take a dive while the rich mocked us from their golden pedestals.",
">\n\nSerious question: Why? So what if the Dems lose power in the Congress. Let the Republicans be the one to formally dismantle the committee and subpoena on record. Then when hopefully Trump is charged by the DOJ, dems have another talking point for 2024 that the Republicans hate law and order and protect mob bosses.",
">\n\nThe select committee expires at the end of the congressional session. So they do not need to question him because the committee will not exist.",
">\n\nBut what is the point of formally withdrawing the subpoena? What does it accomplish?",
">\n\nThe committee is over. They have issued the report, they are closing up shop. They are following the process. A secondary part of the committees job was to show how a REAL congressional hearing should be handled. None of that sloppy ass grandstanding they did for Benghazi",
">\n\nMy viewpoint is that Trump and the GOP are just going to use this as “proof” that he did nothing wrong. Remember how the Mueller report “exonerated” Trump? His base believes this shit wholeheartedly and I guarantee he will use this as “evidence” for his innocence.\nShowing how things SHOULD be handled instead of taking whatever measures needed to protect Americans lead to Jan 6th happening in the first place. We all know how things should be handled, how the rules should work, but one side is willing to do whatever they need to keep power and the other is getting walked over.\nIs taking the high road worth letting fascism into our government?",
">\n\nIt’s good to know that republicans are allowed to ignore subpoenas. That’s useful info for them. Don’t expect dems to get that treatment",
">\n\nThey dropped the ball in not issuing one a couple of months ago",
">\n\nActually the Democrats have done everything not to ever pick up the ball even once. They let trump appointed republicans appoint a republican special counsel to fall like a straw man to blatant obstruction in the Russia probe. They turned it into a fundraiser for campaigning. \nThis time they let liz Cheney take the reins, who was able to preserve her republican prerogatives throughout this entire ordeal. \nThe fact is that you're all being cucked by forces of controlled opposition and I'm apparently the only one in the world who can't be so easily mitigated.\nI can't depend on any of you anymore than you can depend on yourselves.",
">\n\nYou lost all credibility at the end when you said cuck and act like you’re the smartest person in the world. Be gone!",
">\n\nYeah, I don't know how anyone can be expected to be taken seriously using that whole sentence unironically.",
">\n\nI don't expect to be taken seriously whether I say it or not, yet the facts remain as I've described.",
">\n\nI didn’t see that coming, said absolutely no one.",
">\n\nWhy.",
">\n\nHUGE mistake. The committee will be dissolved by the GOPers in a couple weeks, and all this did was to give the Marmalade Moses another fake victory to rile up his lemmings.",
">\n\nIt’s funny because I say the same thing every time about trump never getting charged and I always get shit about it like BUT NO THIS TIME IS DIFFERENT. \nLmao right. Sure it is.",
">\n\nFucking same. This is just more “ammo” for his orange, shit spewing mouth.",
">\n\nThis guy is still getting more media coverage than the current potus two years into his term. Crazy.",
">\n\nIt does blow that he wasn't forced to comply with the subpoena but for people thinking what a bummer this seems like, the house is switching to a republican majority in like a week so it didn't make a whole lot of sense to leave an active subpoena on record knowing it would never be resolved. They likely knew he wasn't going to comply when it was issued only now its offical that it was officially issued, ignored by trump, and terminated. Who knows if the DOJ will eventually file but everyone pretty much already knew that little temper tantrum trump wasn't going to aid in his own house sedition investigation.",
">\n\nIf we restrict ourselves to the issue of compliance with a subpoena from this committee, then the recent election clearly mooted every aspect of penalties or consequences related to ignoring the subpoena.\nIt's like a big brother was called over and little bro wanted him to force his adversary to bow and kiss the ground. But by the time big bro finally wanders over, the kid goes \"nah... we're good.\"\nA lot of folk like to believe contempt of court or contempt of congress is like any other crime where you do the deed and have to face the punishment. But, in general, these things do not work like crimes. Even where contempt has been codified such that there is a criminal contempt aspect, the goal remains to seek or to force compliance. This leads to \"punishments\" which are better or worse depending on how you view things. A simple view is that you could be \"sentenced\" to indefinite incarceration because it's a \"jailed until compliance\" thing.\nIn this case, Congress has been very, very reticent to try to use their inherent power to jail someone. So the most they ever do these days is refer the case to the DoJ to pursue criminal contempt of congress.\nAll in all, is this a \"good\" thing? Maybe it's not as bad as we feel it to be. Imagine any sort of argument where someone demands you do something. You retort \"are you sure?\" Bystanders urge folk cool down and think about it. Map that into the way Congress changes every two years and you get a sense that unless something is important enough that it remains after the public alters the composition of the legislative branch, maybe it's not all that important (to the public) after all.\nOn the other hand, why would anyone fear Congress when they demonstrate time and again there never really are any consequences for refusal to comply with subpoenas? But... do we want to quake in fear whenever some nutjob party gains control and enacts something as dire as the Committee on Unamerican Activities?",
">\n\nWhat is the advantage of dropping the subpoena, as opposed to just letting it expire/letting the new congress withdraw it? Why go on record saying he no longer has to come in? I get that he was never going to show, I’m just curious why this is better than the alternative.",
">\n\nI’m wondering this too. There has to be a good reason.",
">\n\n?? Why, like it had no power, but still why? This looks like weakness",
">\n\nThe subpoena expires when the new congress is sworn in on Jan 3rd. There was no practical way to enforce it.",
">\n\nWhy not just let it expire?\nNow Republicans have a talking point that the January 6th Committee withdrew their subpoena.\nThey'll use it to muddy the waters and spread more misinformation.",
">\n\nThey already had their talking points. They've had them the whole time. They already released a \"counter report\" to the J6 committee. The committee withdrew it because they are closing up shop. The report is out. Where would Donnie's answers go?",
">\n\nWhy was he not charged with contempt for no show? Once again, he gets let off for bad behaviour",
">\n\nBecause they referred him for 4 much more serious crimes with longer sentences. Referring him for this is essentially pointless.",
">\n\nYes, but i see it as another nail in the coffin, and also sends a message that subpoenas are not to be ignored",
">\n\nImagine if you or I tried to just ignore a subpoena.",
">\n\nIt’s OK if you’re a Republican, as the war criminal’s daughter who voted in line with Trump’s policies during her House tenure can attest.",
">\n\nAnother instance of unequal justice under the law, imo. If you or I disregarded a subpoena from Congress we'd be going to jail...like Steve Bannon.",
">\n\nDrag it out, do nothing, repeat. Glad the J6 group produced a ton of info and exposed a lot of the bs but what's the point of nothing really happens? Media circus? I'm so tired.",
">\n\nGreat precedent. It's good to know if I'm ever subpoenaed by congress I can just ignore it.",
">\n\nJ6 knew he'd puss out and just wanted to get it on the record. And for the same reason they haven't gone after Meadows for ignoring his subpoena, are all of the other serious crimes hanging over him and the orange Traitor in Chief, especially now, the subpoenas aren't worth the time and effort.",
">\n\n\nAnd for the same reason they haven't gone after Meadows for ignoring his subpoena\n\nTo be fair... the House voted him in criminal contempt and sent the referral to that to the DoJ. There wasn't really anything they could do beyond that with respect to his subpoena (yes, inherent contempt in theory exists, in practice it would have been useless for multiple reasons).\nMeadows is also included in the big criminal referrals the committee issued as part of their report as well.",
">\n\nAs usual, this country’s justice system is a joke",
">\n\nThis was a subpoena issued by the congress, not DOJ. He would be arrested if this was subpoena by DOJ and he didn’t show.",
">\n\nLike I said lol this country’s justice system is a joke",
">\n\nBut the justice system has not been involved yet!!! Congressional hearing is not an example of the justice system. The congress has referred the case to the DOJ or “the justice system” as a result of their hearing. DOJ will pursue a criminal investigation and pursue charges. \nJudiciary (justice system as you call it), congress, and executive branches are constitutionally separate and independent to ensure checks and balances.\nJustice system in the US is not ideal, but this specific instance is not an example of these inefficiencies. This is an example of how the congress has been ineffective in doing their legislative actions. In this instance the correct statement would be “Legislative system in this country is a joke.” Justice system has not had a chance to show its incompetence yet. That will be next.",
">\n\nNaive of you to think this is anything more than a show they’re putting on. Nothing will come of it, democrats are by nature pussies let’s be real. None have any teeth or claws. The right is full of a bunch of tribalistic monkeys, party is apparently more important than country. I guess I can rephrase, besides making money and being the best business in the world, America is a joke.",
">\n\n\"OMG. I'm so outraged by this even though I have no idea why.\"\nIt'd be nice if you guys learned the difference between the subpoena and the criminal referral. trump was never going to show up for the subpoena especially since the GOP is about to take control. It's a completely moot point.",
">\n\nExactly. The committee already referred him to the DoJ on criminal charges. Everyone is acting like they're just taking their ball and going home. They already went well and beyond a mere subpoena here, and one of the charges that they're recommending is obstruction already.",
">\n\nAren’t subpoenas mandatory with consequences? Either you show up or go to jail. Trump did neither.",
">\n\nNot if you are rich. Laws are you only for the the lower 90%",
">\n\nThis is such bullshit.",
">\n\nAnother precedent set for rich criminals to not comply. If we citizens didn’t show we’d be at a black site with electrodes on our genitals.",
">\n\nThey should have charged Trump with contempt of Congress.",
">\n\nSo whens the next uprising on behalf of rich people? Just be sure you're actually a political player because if you're just a worker you'll be charged. Chess has really changed over the past hundred years.",
">\n\nTotally expected. \nTrump, the really TV star, said he'd only agree to answer the subpoena if it were live & televised. It's quite obvious the reason is that he'd ignore the questioning & use the free air time to spew his BS, much like in the Presidential debates. \nAnd I'm sure the incoming Republican House would have loved to have given him the opportunity",
">\n\nyeah kinda moot at this point , they already made those criminal referrals anyways lol i wish they would have perused charging him for not showing up however but maybe they figured in light of everything they should focus on the key issues and at this point whatever he had to say really doesnt matter anyways as he would just lie. his testimony would pretty much be useless. its still a shame we didnt get to see it just for historys sake lol",
">\n\nAl trump would do is take the 5th like any other ordinary criminal",
">\n\nSo far as things have gone, will it now be ok for Democrats to ignore all the subpoenas that this next R House is going to send around? I’d think so….",
">\n\nOur government has failed us.... Good luck everyone.",
">\n\nAh yes the criminal Justice system, quite possibly the longest running joke in America",
">\n\n& you just know the cheeto will say something like, ha!, they dropped the subpoena cause they knew I am innocent, or some 💩 like that",
">\n\nNo surprise there. Trump is above the law, as he has proven time and again, over and over throughout the last several years. \nI will be surprised if anything comes out of this investigation, at all. \nI will be surprised if the next republican president isn't worse than Trump. \nI mean seriously, how do they convict him of anything if they can't even call him for questioning. Ever heard of anyone, ever, to get convicted of a crime that didn't have to talk to investigators at some point? \nFuck America. Fuck Trump. And fuck the pussy ass people who refuse to do their fucking job.",
">\n\nThey dropped it because it wasn't necessary and would have given him a national platform needlessly. DOJ will pass to the special council which will bring formal charges, if any will be brought.",
">\n\nThis is actually heartbreaking. Seen a lot of politicians and people of note show time and time again that the rules for EVERY CITIZEN don’t apply to them and this stings just a little more",
">\n\nMy theory that he is blackmailing everyone from the White House down with Area 51 malarky is still holding water...",
">\n\nLet us all start committing crimes and see how that goes, this is bs",
">\n\nSuch bs. I knew he would sleeze his way out of any consequences for his actions. This will only embolden him & his lunatic followers. He incites a riot that kills people & gets away with it. If any of us incited a riot, we would still be in jail & if people died during the riot, we would be charged with murder as well. So sick & tired of the double standard when it comes to a president who breaks the law & walks away, just like nixon did.",
">\n\nshould not have dropped\nshould have referred it to doj for contempt of congress...\nwhite rich continue to get a pass for what the rest of us would have long ago been prosecuted and imprisoned...",
">\n\nThey already referred him to DOJ for obstruction of a govt proceeding last week. What are you talking about?",
">\n\nYeah, because why would you want to subpoena the guy who was completely responsible for the entire thing?\nThe Chuck Schumer neoliberals have engineered this to completely let Trump get away with it - because they think the Republicans are still their friends and they don't want to piss them off!",
">\n\nThey subpoenaed trump months ago. He declined to show. Since, investigation is over, they dropped it. This is not even really news worthy.",
">\n\nHalf the people in this thread have no idea what they're talking about and are confusing the subpoena with the criminal referral.",
">\n\nOh, is that what's going on? Lol. I was wondering why ppl are making a big deal about this. This is just the committee cleaning up loose ends.",
">\n\nIt's a big deal if someone who's now a private citizen, can do wtf he wants and ignore a Congressional subpoena.",
">\n\nIt takes votes by congress to hold in contempt. They didn't need trump's testimony. He would just show up and repeat I plead the 5th anyway. Pence ignored his, too. It's pointless to hold them in contempt and get off focus of actual investigation.",
">\n\nYou're proving my point. Congressional Democrats should have enforced the subpoena and made Trump plead the 5th to every question. Imagine if Pence also appeared and pled the 5th to every question. That is political magic for the Democrats, it makes them look guilty as hell.\nTrump committed a crime, and this is America. It should be the same as if I committed a crime. We would get arrested, taken to jail until the morning, see a judge and face our charges, and then either get released on OR, held for trial, or bail set. It's not much of a democracy if laws are not enforced against powerful people.",
">\n\nOnce you all realize this is just a game and you’re the pawn things will make a lot more sense.",
">\n\nNow hear him cry about never getting a chance to testify when he’s charged.",
">\n\nI see this less as a “you’re excused” and more of a “see you in court”",
">\n\nNo need to bother with it when they've already finished their work. The only thing that testimony would have accomplished would have been getting Trump to look bad on national television, and a potential perjury charge. Trump already has embarrassed himself in public in a massive way since then, and they have bigger crimes to recommend to the DOJ for prosecution.",
">\n\nThe moment they announced the subpoena everyone got a hard on that trump would have to talk. I said it then and I’ll say it again, trump will never have to face any punishment and he doesn’t have to comply to any law or rules. They’re all more suggestions instead of laws.",
">\n\nWhat a waste of fucking time",
">\n\nSo......this was a big fat waste of time and money?",
">\n\nI mean they made a criminal referral so, no? The committee wasn’t set up to solely investigate Dolt 45 and took the testimony of over a thousand people, why is it you believe withdrawing one subpoena because the committee is winding down renders the entire process a “waste of time and money.”",
">\n\nNo mention on CNN that they dropped the subpoena after a year of January 6 January 6 January 6 terrible news station",
">\n\nWell, it’s being run by a Republican so go figure",
">\n\nTalk about the wheels of justice turning slow. In this case reversing altogether. Well done.",
">\n\nI wish this surprised me.",
">\n\nLOL God this is so funny\nWhat the fuck did y'all expect if you have money you are above the law. It only applies to the poor and those who step on the toes of capital.",
">\n\nWhat a waste of money",
">\n\n...And a Happy New Year!",
">\n\nClassic",
">\n\nShocking",
">\n\nOur governing body are a bunch of cowards. The US is being safeguarded by self-interested Congresspersons who speak about accountability and act on cowardice.",
">\n\nLet's be honest he'll get away with everything with a slap on the wrist. This country won't prosecute a sitting or former president or high ranking politician, we've seen this over and over. The whole committee is sadly a publicity stunt to gain traction for Democrat's. I hope I'm completely wrong of course and that this country will start to feel like it's a democracy.",
">\n\nThe coup is in effect.",
">\n\nI have a sad feeling this committee is going to end up like a fart in the wind",
">\n\nYou’re not wrong",
">\n\nWtf are you talking about?",
">\n\nHands",
">\n\nWho are you talking to? Lmao",
">\n\nWent out with a whimper. The most Democrat thing ever.\nWish the Dems would learn how to take the gloves off, at least they would have a shot against an opponent that has no problems filling their gloves with lead shot. Then bragging about it.",
">\n\nThe subpoena, and associated contempt charges would be nothing when compared to the recommendations made by the committee to the DOJ. Whether or not the DOJ will act is all that matters at this point.",
">\n\nPathetic pieces of shit",
">\n\nAll theatre, all the time. Seems like by now, to most people, that somehow being trolled by their favorite elected might be possible.",
">\n\nSo wait, he just gets away with everything? Just like that?\nWhat about all the articles saying that Trump will most likely spend the rest of his life in prison?",
">\n\nThe subpoena has nothing to do with the recommendations made by the committee to the DOJ. The ball is in the DOJ’s court. The subpoena doesn’t impact anything. Absurd that he didn’t get held in contempt, but that is more of a distraction than anything.",
">\n\nI see. Thanks for explaining!",
">\n\nCan anyone explain why he was not arrested for not responding to the subpoena? I thought you had to respond to these?",
">\n\nFirst they would have had to vote for contempt. Then they would need to issue a referral to DOJ, then DOJ would need to consider it. That is not happening in a week before the new congress is sworn in an this committee expires. They have issued their report and no longer need to speak to him. That is why it was withdrawn. Their job is done.",
">\n\nSubpoenas are real, or they’re not.\nIn the real world if any person defied or ignored a subpoena they would be arrested immediately.\nWhy are some Americans allowed to break the law in broad daylight.",
">\n\nWhy is the DOJ dragging its feet in charging anyone?",
">\n\nDOJ has charged over 700 people out of January 6 and they continue to charge cases. Most of these cases took months if not years to come to fruition.\nAt the end of the day DOJ has no obligation to act on any of the committee’s referrals, although I believe they already have ongoing investigations as to several of the subjects. If anything new comes out of the committee’s work it’s unlikely to happen soon.",
">\n\nThe US is beyond broken. The wealthy can do whatever they want while we are the only ones who face consequences. I can’t wait to leave this shithole again. I won’t be making the mistake of coming back like I did last year.",
">\n\nSuch a farce",
">\n\nBut he wanted to appear!!",
">\n\nThe walls are closing in.",
">\n\nOk, people. Quit guilt-edging and go home.",
">\n\nWait so what is Trump a dastardly super villain who keeps getting away or a dumb oaf. You guys just can't decide.",
">\n\nI can’t wait until nothing happens!\nHas it happened yet?",
">\n\n“All animals are equal but some animals are more equal than others.” \nHey, do you think Reddit will ever reach a state of Nirvana where it will stop claiming “Trump is really sweating now!”?",
">\n\nDoes this not set some sort of precedence? If I now get subpoenaed for something can I not just point to Trump/Barr/Holder and say “no thank you”?",
">\n\nWithdrawing a subpoena sets no precedent and is not at all uncommon.",
">\n\nThe subpoena was issued quite some time ago wasn’t it? And he just flat refused. Were Barr and Holder’s also withdrawn?",
">\n\nI saw the headline and thought the committee dropped a subpoena the way you drop an album. Then I read the article and saw that they dropped it like you drop an extra filler track from an album.",
">\n\nIt would have been a waste of time anyway. \n\"Mr. Trump, did you tell your supporters that the election was stolen and send your supporters to violently break into the capitol building to stop Joe Biden from becoming president\"? - January 6th Committee \n\"The fifth\"! - Trump\nDOJ do your job to save this nation from tyranny and further destruction!🙏",
">\n\nSurprised pikachu face",
">\n\nBut these are the same people that wanted peaceful blm protestors bathed in their own blood? What point do we all take this into our own hands",
">\n\nOh, wow. This is really bad for you, US. Like ultra super deluxe so very not good.",
">\n\nLmao…\n“ThE WaLLs arE cLoSIng in”",
">\n\nwell duh...\npolitics from the beginning",
">\n\nWhat an absolute joke.",
">\n\nInb4 trump takes this decision and expresses it as: “completely exonerated!!!”",
">\n\nThey don’t need his testimony. As if he would ever go anywhere close to a government building after the committee’s final report. Just let him relax to make it easier to arrest him",
">\n\nfucking why?",
">\n\nIsn’t the rule that if you don’t comply with a congressional subpoena you can be held in contempt and fined or jailed? Can the House sergeant-at-arms arrest the person?",
">\n\nWow, naw fuck this.",
">\n\nHe wouldn't show up anyways...🐣",
">\n\nTFG is so slippery, Teflon wouldn't stick",
">\n\nNothing will truly come to fruition until we go out into the streets and force this issue ourselves.",
">\n\nWhat’s the point of that?",
">\n\nTold you.",
">\n\nSad, and utterly predictable.\nZero accountability is the death of liberty. Actual freedom means lawlessness, rather than being a nation of laws. \nThe GOP has now proved that no law matters, and that, like Russia, we are a nation governed by the biggest criminal.",
">\n\nHe should be forced to comply, then you can say you are done",
">\n\nAn absolute travesty of justice. I would've said keep the subpoena open forever. If there's some way for the subpoena's issuing body to dissolve without legally dropping the subpoena, thus leaving it in a permanent state of legal limbo, I would have advocated for that, so that the GOP could never whitewash the fact that he defied a lawfully issued subpoena.\nOtherwise, make the GOP drop it themselves; let them be the ones who let him get away with openly flouting a subpoena.",
">\n\nSo that's it???? This ASSHOLE is scott free from prosecution?",
">\n\nWhat a jackass",
">\n\nRepublicans representatives specifically...",
">\n\nIt doesn't matter anymore the witch hunt it over ! HE'S FALLIN IN HIS OWN S**t. Ding dong !",
">\n\nThey don't need him to testify at this point and they, nor anyone believed he would ever testify. They have all the evidence they need to pass on to the DOJ. Trump said he would testify at one point but that was 🐎 💩",
">\n\nNice cope posts!",
">\n\nTbh, I'm not sure it would be of any value for him to appear. It's not like they don't already have more than enough for DOJ to charge him with criminal acts, which the Committee cannot do, regardless. The real question is what DOJ will do.",
">\n\nI knew it all the build up was for show.",
">\n\nHonestly probably for the better. Nothing would’ve been accomplished and there’s a lot of examples he can bring up of dems trying fishy stuff in 2016. Is it at the level of what trump did? No. But it’s similar enough to make things difficult",
">\n\nSo a subpoena is really only a suggestion?",
">\n\nHe was right, “ I could stand in the middle of 5th Avenue and shoot somebody and I would not lose voters”, only now he could rephrase his quote and say “I could stand in the middle of 5th Avenue and shoot somebody and not get arrested”. It’s high time for the Dems to give up on this persecution and put their energy and zeal into enacting some some legislation that benefits their constituents. Then they could run on their record instead of “vote for me, I’m not Trump”.",
">\n\nThe cynic in me says: The midterms are over. This 'walls closing in\" BS is also over. With this dismal result, I'm guessing mileqtoast Merrick also won;t get anything actually done on the DOJ side. He just doesn;t have the nuts to see it through. Nothing is going to stick to this orange guy.",
">\n\nSo like hunter's laptop or ebstein's island...If your ritch and powerful enough it dosent matter!",
">\n\nEpstein\nRich\nYou’re\nDoesn’t",
">\n\ndrops pants and bends over desk while spreading cheeks\nThank you sir may I have another!"
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Yeah this is not a surprise. There was never any chance Trump would be held accountable for his actions.
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"So far Trump's legal strategy of ignoring calls for accountability until Republicans in Congress can bail him out is workingly flawlessly.",
">\n\nThat doesn’t mean the DoJ can’t charge and prosecute. \nRight now everything is in response to republicans getting their slim majority in the house and lessen the damage they will do.\nThat said, they still have the mountain of evidence they did gather",
">\n\nWhat about when the AG/DOJ is a GOP appointee? You don’t think they’ll just put in a Bill Barr type on the entire thing?",
">\n\nNot while they have a democratic president and especially when the previous president lost them the midterms.\nThey were already planning on replacing trump with Desantes by equating the 2 (Martha’s Vineyard was part of that), they’re only gonna lose trying to put their party’s future on the line protect him further.\nThey gonna continue to spread doubt and try to discredit the investigations, but they’re barely holding onto a branch of government, they’re not stupid. Barr only worked because they held onto 2",
">\n\nUmmm that’s not what I meant. If a GOP candidate for President wins in 2024 , what are the actual legal implications. It’s not like it’s below them to interfere like they did with the collusion charges",
">\n\n\nThe House January 6 committee is withdrawing its subpoena of former President Donald Trump as it concludes its work.\n“In light of the imminent end of our investigation, the Select Committee can no longer pursue the specific information covered by the subpoena,” Chairman Bennie Thompson, a Mississippi Democrat, wrote in a letter to Trump’s attorney Wednesday obtained by CNN.\n“Therefore, through this letter, I hereby formally withdraw the subpoena issued to former President Trump, and notify you that he is no longer obligated to comply or produce records in response to said subpoena,” Thompson added.",
">\n\nConclusion: Former president Trump is above the law.",
">\n\nYeah kind of makes me sad. Trump can just ignore a subpoena, with zero consequences. \n“We believe you tried to overthrow the government. You are legally required to come talk to us about it.”\n“No thanks.”\n“Oh. Ok, never mind.”",
">\n\nNo consequences? He's has been referred to the DOJ for obstruction of a govt processing last week. They held a recorded vote.",
">\n\nThat’s not a consequence. It’s kicking the can. Trump will never, ever be held responsible for his role in destroying democracy in America.",
">\n\nThis is not TV or a movie. \"The wheels of justice grind slowly yet exceedingly fine\" is a saying for a reason. Federal investigations usually take years.",
">\n\nHe’s been investigated for years. No consequences. Just special appointments, investigations, and referrals. In the mean time, you know who DOES face consequences?\nAmerica.",
">\n\nYou are judging the end of the movie before it is over.\nThe previous investigations were being done while he had the shield of the presidency and an attorney general running obstruction for him. None of that is true now.",
">\n\nThe GOP will continue fighting on his behalf, because the majority are complicit in 45’s fuckery. Again, no consequences will be had. I’m willing to wager a gift card to your favorite local restaurant that he will live fat, rich, and free until at least the 2024/25 inauguration. Save this post.",
">\n\nWe'll see about that. I'll admit to the loss if thats the case.",
">\n\nMore proof that we the people have no rights in comparison to the billionaire ticks.",
">\n\nDude ain't no billionaire",
">\n\nNo, but his buddies are.",
">\n\nHis puppet masters maybe",
">\n\nI mean, who would have thought not starting the fight sooner would end like this?",
">\n\nDon’t worry. He’s got so many more coming.",
">\n\nThe idea that Trump will pay any price for his crimes is a fantasy.",
">\n\nIt’s actually happening. His company has been found guilty. His charity is closed. His cohorts are about to go to jail. His popularity sagging. Protection is gone. We just need the first indictment.",
">\n\nBut none is him",
">\n\nWell Trump Org is pretty much him but be patient.",
">\n\nDrops in the bucket. \nBeen patient for like 6 years now. How much more we gotta wait?",
">\n\nHe couldn’t be prosecuted while president. Watch GA and the special prosecutor. They’re moving fast.",
">\n\nCouldn't be?\nShould have been.",
">\n\nThat’s absolutely wild that any man is able to just straight up ignore a subpoena with zero consequences. Definition of “above the law”. If he gets away with this, he is going to be more dangerous than ever. You get away with leading a coup/insurrection, you’re going to assume you can get away with literally anything. \nMaybe trump was right… he really could shoot someone in the middle of 5th avenue and not lose any voters…and also probably not even get in trouble",
">\n\nSerious questions...so the committee pull the subpoena, but it's up to DOJ for any additional follow up, but when the new congress is in session they can tell DOJ to drop everything? Is that how's its going to go down? Because I thought DOJ is supposed to be independent once given the committee's findings?",
">\n\nThe DOJ is certainly independent of Congress. As for the committee - the only thing they would've done differently was vote on a criminal referral for contempt of Congress. Although there is some truth to congressional contempt needing to stem from congress, The DOJ has no obligation to act on a referral - it is more akin to a recommendation.\nWith that being said, the committee knew it wasn't going to serve any real benefit, so they decided not to.\n\nThe DOJ decided not to prosecute Meadows and Scavino for contempt due to their close ties to the executive. This pretty much ruled out any chance of it happening to Trump, a former President. \nEven a completely successful referral (Steve Bannon) showed how inconsequential Congressional subpoena power is. For one, it is a misdemeanor. It has been ~15 months since Bannon was referred, and he was found guilty and sentenced, and he is still a free man pending appeal. And even if upheld, it's only 4 months in prison as just shy of maximum sentencing guidelines. \nThe DOJ, if they prosecute, are aiming at much bigger crimes - notably Obstruction of an Official Proceeding, which carries up to 20 years. And they'd be potentially trying these crimes in the same jurisdiction.\n\nSo I'm sure the calculation was that it just wasn't worth throwing a referral at the DOJ for something they'd never follow up on, and wouldn't be much benefit if they did.",
">\n\nIn summary, he’s committed so many crimes that this one isn’t worth any effort",
">\n\nEssentially, yeah. The DOJ has two big chances to secure a conviction: Mar-A-Lago and Jan. 6 - and they will likely bring multiple charges in a D.C. court if they decide to prosecute. Mar-A-Lago will come first, which has virtually nothing to do with this committee's work.\nReferring a misdemeanor to tack onto 4 serious felonies they referred probably only risked muddying the larger offenses. Can't blame them honestly.",
">\n\nWhat is “Mar a Lago” in this context! The tax scheme? Classified documents?",
">\n\nThe classified documents",
">\n\nSmall point but they weren't all classified and don't need to be, for what he did to be illegal. Just trying to avoid republican framing.",
">\n\nHillary was not afraid to testify every time she was asked (and testified for hours and hours each time, answering all questions asked) and never took the 5th. Yet republicans act like she is the criminal when it always has been trump.",
">\n\nEven if she was wrong she was smarter than any of the R in the room. That woman was a machine during those hearings and gave them nothing to work with.",
">\n\nShe is definitely smarter than that barrel of monkeys who questioned her, but ultimately, there was nothing to get from her - the perfect opposite case of crimey benedict donald and his co-conspirators.",
">\n\nIt's interesting to see that people think this subpoena would have continued to exist past Jan 3, 2023 given that that's when ALL open subpoenas from the outgoing congress expire and become null and void. Even if the J6 committee continued to exist- they would be required to file a brand new one in the new session.",
">\n\nIt wouldn't be that hard to file a brand new subpoena, they have lawyers who work full-time for them. That isn't an obstacle.",
">\n\nExcept for the committee doesn't exist in the new Congress and they have no powers to do anything if they don't exist.",
">\n\nIt's easy to get the two confused a lot of times.",
">\n\nHow many of y'all actually thought he wasn't going to run out the clock? \nNothing will fundamentally change.",
">\n\nNobody. The “justice takes time” chorus that dominated the narrative was only here to quell social unrest so society didn’t take a dive while the rich mocked us from their golden pedestals.",
">\n\nSerious question: Why? So what if the Dems lose power in the Congress. Let the Republicans be the one to formally dismantle the committee and subpoena on record. Then when hopefully Trump is charged by the DOJ, dems have another talking point for 2024 that the Republicans hate law and order and protect mob bosses.",
">\n\nThe select committee expires at the end of the congressional session. So they do not need to question him because the committee will not exist.",
">\n\nBut what is the point of formally withdrawing the subpoena? What does it accomplish?",
">\n\nThe committee is over. They have issued the report, they are closing up shop. They are following the process. A secondary part of the committees job was to show how a REAL congressional hearing should be handled. None of that sloppy ass grandstanding they did for Benghazi",
">\n\nMy viewpoint is that Trump and the GOP are just going to use this as “proof” that he did nothing wrong. Remember how the Mueller report “exonerated” Trump? His base believes this shit wholeheartedly and I guarantee he will use this as “evidence” for his innocence.\nShowing how things SHOULD be handled instead of taking whatever measures needed to protect Americans lead to Jan 6th happening in the first place. We all know how things should be handled, how the rules should work, but one side is willing to do whatever they need to keep power and the other is getting walked over.\nIs taking the high road worth letting fascism into our government?",
">\n\nIt’s good to know that republicans are allowed to ignore subpoenas. That’s useful info for them. Don’t expect dems to get that treatment",
">\n\nThey dropped the ball in not issuing one a couple of months ago",
">\n\nActually the Democrats have done everything not to ever pick up the ball even once. They let trump appointed republicans appoint a republican special counsel to fall like a straw man to blatant obstruction in the Russia probe. They turned it into a fundraiser for campaigning. \nThis time they let liz Cheney take the reins, who was able to preserve her republican prerogatives throughout this entire ordeal. \nThe fact is that you're all being cucked by forces of controlled opposition and I'm apparently the only one in the world who can't be so easily mitigated.\nI can't depend on any of you anymore than you can depend on yourselves.",
">\n\nYou lost all credibility at the end when you said cuck and act like you’re the smartest person in the world. Be gone!",
">\n\nYeah, I don't know how anyone can be expected to be taken seriously using that whole sentence unironically.",
">\n\nI don't expect to be taken seriously whether I say it or not, yet the facts remain as I've described.",
">\n\nI didn’t see that coming, said absolutely no one.",
">\n\nWhy.",
">\n\nHUGE mistake. The committee will be dissolved by the GOPers in a couple weeks, and all this did was to give the Marmalade Moses another fake victory to rile up his lemmings.",
">\n\nIt’s funny because I say the same thing every time about trump never getting charged and I always get shit about it like BUT NO THIS TIME IS DIFFERENT. \nLmao right. Sure it is.",
">\n\nFucking same. This is just more “ammo” for his orange, shit spewing mouth.",
">\n\nThis guy is still getting more media coverage than the current potus two years into his term. Crazy.",
">\n\nIt does blow that he wasn't forced to comply with the subpoena but for people thinking what a bummer this seems like, the house is switching to a republican majority in like a week so it didn't make a whole lot of sense to leave an active subpoena on record knowing it would never be resolved. They likely knew he wasn't going to comply when it was issued only now its offical that it was officially issued, ignored by trump, and terminated. Who knows if the DOJ will eventually file but everyone pretty much already knew that little temper tantrum trump wasn't going to aid in his own house sedition investigation.",
">\n\nIf we restrict ourselves to the issue of compliance with a subpoena from this committee, then the recent election clearly mooted every aspect of penalties or consequences related to ignoring the subpoena.\nIt's like a big brother was called over and little bro wanted him to force his adversary to bow and kiss the ground. But by the time big bro finally wanders over, the kid goes \"nah... we're good.\"\nA lot of folk like to believe contempt of court or contempt of congress is like any other crime where you do the deed and have to face the punishment. But, in general, these things do not work like crimes. Even where contempt has been codified such that there is a criminal contempt aspect, the goal remains to seek or to force compliance. This leads to \"punishments\" which are better or worse depending on how you view things. A simple view is that you could be \"sentenced\" to indefinite incarceration because it's a \"jailed until compliance\" thing.\nIn this case, Congress has been very, very reticent to try to use their inherent power to jail someone. So the most they ever do these days is refer the case to the DoJ to pursue criminal contempt of congress.\nAll in all, is this a \"good\" thing? Maybe it's not as bad as we feel it to be. Imagine any sort of argument where someone demands you do something. You retort \"are you sure?\" Bystanders urge folk cool down and think about it. Map that into the way Congress changes every two years and you get a sense that unless something is important enough that it remains after the public alters the composition of the legislative branch, maybe it's not all that important (to the public) after all.\nOn the other hand, why would anyone fear Congress when they demonstrate time and again there never really are any consequences for refusal to comply with subpoenas? But... do we want to quake in fear whenever some nutjob party gains control and enacts something as dire as the Committee on Unamerican Activities?",
">\n\nWhat is the advantage of dropping the subpoena, as opposed to just letting it expire/letting the new congress withdraw it? Why go on record saying he no longer has to come in? I get that he was never going to show, I’m just curious why this is better than the alternative.",
">\n\nI’m wondering this too. There has to be a good reason.",
">\n\n?? Why, like it had no power, but still why? This looks like weakness",
">\n\nThe subpoena expires when the new congress is sworn in on Jan 3rd. There was no practical way to enforce it.",
">\n\nWhy not just let it expire?\nNow Republicans have a talking point that the January 6th Committee withdrew their subpoena.\nThey'll use it to muddy the waters and spread more misinformation.",
">\n\nThey already had their talking points. They've had them the whole time. They already released a \"counter report\" to the J6 committee. The committee withdrew it because they are closing up shop. The report is out. Where would Donnie's answers go?",
">\n\nWhy was he not charged with contempt for no show? Once again, he gets let off for bad behaviour",
">\n\nBecause they referred him for 4 much more serious crimes with longer sentences. Referring him for this is essentially pointless.",
">\n\nYes, but i see it as another nail in the coffin, and also sends a message that subpoenas are not to be ignored",
">\n\nImagine if you or I tried to just ignore a subpoena.",
">\n\nIt’s OK if you’re a Republican, as the war criminal’s daughter who voted in line with Trump’s policies during her House tenure can attest.",
">\n\nAnother instance of unequal justice under the law, imo. If you or I disregarded a subpoena from Congress we'd be going to jail...like Steve Bannon.",
">\n\nDrag it out, do nothing, repeat. Glad the J6 group produced a ton of info and exposed a lot of the bs but what's the point of nothing really happens? Media circus? I'm so tired.",
">\n\nGreat precedent. It's good to know if I'm ever subpoenaed by congress I can just ignore it.",
">\n\nJ6 knew he'd puss out and just wanted to get it on the record. And for the same reason they haven't gone after Meadows for ignoring his subpoena, are all of the other serious crimes hanging over him and the orange Traitor in Chief, especially now, the subpoenas aren't worth the time and effort.",
">\n\n\nAnd for the same reason they haven't gone after Meadows for ignoring his subpoena\n\nTo be fair... the House voted him in criminal contempt and sent the referral to that to the DoJ. There wasn't really anything they could do beyond that with respect to his subpoena (yes, inherent contempt in theory exists, in practice it would have been useless for multiple reasons).\nMeadows is also included in the big criminal referrals the committee issued as part of their report as well.",
">\n\nAs usual, this country’s justice system is a joke",
">\n\nThis was a subpoena issued by the congress, not DOJ. He would be arrested if this was subpoena by DOJ and he didn’t show.",
">\n\nLike I said lol this country’s justice system is a joke",
">\n\nBut the justice system has not been involved yet!!! Congressional hearing is not an example of the justice system. The congress has referred the case to the DOJ or “the justice system” as a result of their hearing. DOJ will pursue a criminal investigation and pursue charges. \nJudiciary (justice system as you call it), congress, and executive branches are constitutionally separate and independent to ensure checks and balances.\nJustice system in the US is not ideal, but this specific instance is not an example of these inefficiencies. This is an example of how the congress has been ineffective in doing their legislative actions. In this instance the correct statement would be “Legislative system in this country is a joke.” Justice system has not had a chance to show its incompetence yet. That will be next.",
">\n\nNaive of you to think this is anything more than a show they’re putting on. Nothing will come of it, democrats are by nature pussies let’s be real. None have any teeth or claws. The right is full of a bunch of tribalistic monkeys, party is apparently more important than country. I guess I can rephrase, besides making money and being the best business in the world, America is a joke.",
">\n\n\"OMG. I'm so outraged by this even though I have no idea why.\"\nIt'd be nice if you guys learned the difference between the subpoena and the criminal referral. trump was never going to show up for the subpoena especially since the GOP is about to take control. It's a completely moot point.",
">\n\nExactly. The committee already referred him to the DoJ on criminal charges. Everyone is acting like they're just taking their ball and going home. They already went well and beyond a mere subpoena here, and one of the charges that they're recommending is obstruction already.",
">\n\nAren’t subpoenas mandatory with consequences? Either you show up or go to jail. Trump did neither.",
">\n\nNot if you are rich. Laws are you only for the the lower 90%",
">\n\nThis is such bullshit.",
">\n\nAnother precedent set for rich criminals to not comply. If we citizens didn’t show we’d be at a black site with electrodes on our genitals.",
">\n\nThey should have charged Trump with contempt of Congress.",
">\n\nSo whens the next uprising on behalf of rich people? Just be sure you're actually a political player because if you're just a worker you'll be charged. Chess has really changed over the past hundred years.",
">\n\nTotally expected. \nTrump, the really TV star, said he'd only agree to answer the subpoena if it were live & televised. It's quite obvious the reason is that he'd ignore the questioning & use the free air time to spew his BS, much like in the Presidential debates. \nAnd I'm sure the incoming Republican House would have loved to have given him the opportunity",
">\n\nyeah kinda moot at this point , they already made those criminal referrals anyways lol i wish they would have perused charging him for not showing up however but maybe they figured in light of everything they should focus on the key issues and at this point whatever he had to say really doesnt matter anyways as he would just lie. his testimony would pretty much be useless. its still a shame we didnt get to see it just for historys sake lol",
">\n\nAl trump would do is take the 5th like any other ordinary criminal",
">\n\nSo far as things have gone, will it now be ok for Democrats to ignore all the subpoenas that this next R House is going to send around? I’d think so….",
">\n\nOur government has failed us.... Good luck everyone.",
">\n\nAh yes the criminal Justice system, quite possibly the longest running joke in America",
">\n\n& you just know the cheeto will say something like, ha!, they dropped the subpoena cause they knew I am innocent, or some 💩 like that",
">\n\nNo surprise there. Trump is above the law, as he has proven time and again, over and over throughout the last several years. \nI will be surprised if anything comes out of this investigation, at all. \nI will be surprised if the next republican president isn't worse than Trump. \nI mean seriously, how do they convict him of anything if they can't even call him for questioning. Ever heard of anyone, ever, to get convicted of a crime that didn't have to talk to investigators at some point? \nFuck America. Fuck Trump. And fuck the pussy ass people who refuse to do their fucking job.",
">\n\nThey dropped it because it wasn't necessary and would have given him a national platform needlessly. DOJ will pass to the special council which will bring formal charges, if any will be brought.",
">\n\nThis is actually heartbreaking. Seen a lot of politicians and people of note show time and time again that the rules for EVERY CITIZEN don’t apply to them and this stings just a little more",
">\n\nMy theory that he is blackmailing everyone from the White House down with Area 51 malarky is still holding water...",
">\n\nLet us all start committing crimes and see how that goes, this is bs",
">\n\nSuch bs. I knew he would sleeze his way out of any consequences for his actions. This will only embolden him & his lunatic followers. He incites a riot that kills people & gets away with it. If any of us incited a riot, we would still be in jail & if people died during the riot, we would be charged with murder as well. So sick & tired of the double standard when it comes to a president who breaks the law & walks away, just like nixon did.",
">\n\nshould not have dropped\nshould have referred it to doj for contempt of congress...\nwhite rich continue to get a pass for what the rest of us would have long ago been prosecuted and imprisoned...",
">\n\nThey already referred him to DOJ for obstruction of a govt proceeding last week. What are you talking about?",
">\n\nYeah, because why would you want to subpoena the guy who was completely responsible for the entire thing?\nThe Chuck Schumer neoliberals have engineered this to completely let Trump get away with it - because they think the Republicans are still their friends and they don't want to piss them off!",
">\n\nThey subpoenaed trump months ago. He declined to show. Since, investigation is over, they dropped it. This is not even really news worthy.",
">\n\nHalf the people in this thread have no idea what they're talking about and are confusing the subpoena with the criminal referral.",
">\n\nOh, is that what's going on? Lol. I was wondering why ppl are making a big deal about this. This is just the committee cleaning up loose ends.",
">\n\nIt's a big deal if someone who's now a private citizen, can do wtf he wants and ignore a Congressional subpoena.",
">\n\nIt takes votes by congress to hold in contempt. They didn't need trump's testimony. He would just show up and repeat I plead the 5th anyway. Pence ignored his, too. It's pointless to hold them in contempt and get off focus of actual investigation.",
">\n\nYou're proving my point. Congressional Democrats should have enforced the subpoena and made Trump plead the 5th to every question. Imagine if Pence also appeared and pled the 5th to every question. That is political magic for the Democrats, it makes them look guilty as hell.\nTrump committed a crime, and this is America. It should be the same as if I committed a crime. We would get arrested, taken to jail until the morning, see a judge and face our charges, and then either get released on OR, held for trial, or bail set. It's not much of a democracy if laws are not enforced against powerful people.",
">\n\nOnce you all realize this is just a game and you’re the pawn things will make a lot more sense.",
">\n\nNow hear him cry about never getting a chance to testify when he’s charged.",
">\n\nI see this less as a “you’re excused” and more of a “see you in court”",
">\n\nNo need to bother with it when they've already finished their work. The only thing that testimony would have accomplished would have been getting Trump to look bad on national television, and a potential perjury charge. Trump already has embarrassed himself in public in a massive way since then, and they have bigger crimes to recommend to the DOJ for prosecution.",
">\n\nThe moment they announced the subpoena everyone got a hard on that trump would have to talk. I said it then and I’ll say it again, trump will never have to face any punishment and he doesn’t have to comply to any law or rules. They’re all more suggestions instead of laws.",
">\n\nWhat a waste of fucking time",
">\n\nSo......this was a big fat waste of time and money?",
">\n\nI mean they made a criminal referral so, no? The committee wasn’t set up to solely investigate Dolt 45 and took the testimony of over a thousand people, why is it you believe withdrawing one subpoena because the committee is winding down renders the entire process a “waste of time and money.”",
">\n\nNo mention on CNN that they dropped the subpoena after a year of January 6 January 6 January 6 terrible news station",
">\n\nWell, it’s being run by a Republican so go figure",
">\n\nTalk about the wheels of justice turning slow. In this case reversing altogether. Well done.",
">\n\nI wish this surprised me.",
">\n\nLOL God this is so funny\nWhat the fuck did y'all expect if you have money you are above the law. It only applies to the poor and those who step on the toes of capital.",
">\n\nWhat a waste of money",
">\n\n...And a Happy New Year!",
">\n\nClassic",
">\n\nShocking",
">\n\nOur governing body are a bunch of cowards. The US is being safeguarded by self-interested Congresspersons who speak about accountability and act on cowardice.",
">\n\nLet's be honest he'll get away with everything with a slap on the wrist. This country won't prosecute a sitting or former president or high ranking politician, we've seen this over and over. The whole committee is sadly a publicity stunt to gain traction for Democrat's. I hope I'm completely wrong of course and that this country will start to feel like it's a democracy.",
">\n\nThe coup is in effect.",
">\n\nI have a sad feeling this committee is going to end up like a fart in the wind",
">\n\nYou’re not wrong",
">\n\nWtf are you talking about?",
">\n\nHands",
">\n\nWho are you talking to? Lmao",
">\n\nWent out with a whimper. The most Democrat thing ever.\nWish the Dems would learn how to take the gloves off, at least they would have a shot against an opponent that has no problems filling their gloves with lead shot. Then bragging about it.",
">\n\nThe subpoena, and associated contempt charges would be nothing when compared to the recommendations made by the committee to the DOJ. Whether or not the DOJ will act is all that matters at this point.",
">\n\nPathetic pieces of shit",
">\n\nAll theatre, all the time. Seems like by now, to most people, that somehow being trolled by their favorite elected might be possible.",
">\n\nSo wait, he just gets away with everything? Just like that?\nWhat about all the articles saying that Trump will most likely spend the rest of his life in prison?",
">\n\nThe subpoena has nothing to do with the recommendations made by the committee to the DOJ. The ball is in the DOJ’s court. The subpoena doesn’t impact anything. Absurd that he didn’t get held in contempt, but that is more of a distraction than anything.",
">\n\nI see. Thanks for explaining!",
">\n\nCan anyone explain why he was not arrested for not responding to the subpoena? I thought you had to respond to these?",
">\n\nFirst they would have had to vote for contempt. Then they would need to issue a referral to DOJ, then DOJ would need to consider it. That is not happening in a week before the new congress is sworn in an this committee expires. They have issued their report and no longer need to speak to him. That is why it was withdrawn. Their job is done.",
">\n\nSubpoenas are real, or they’re not.\nIn the real world if any person defied or ignored a subpoena they would be arrested immediately.\nWhy are some Americans allowed to break the law in broad daylight.",
">\n\nWhy is the DOJ dragging its feet in charging anyone?",
">\n\nDOJ has charged over 700 people out of January 6 and they continue to charge cases. Most of these cases took months if not years to come to fruition.\nAt the end of the day DOJ has no obligation to act on any of the committee’s referrals, although I believe they already have ongoing investigations as to several of the subjects. If anything new comes out of the committee’s work it’s unlikely to happen soon.",
">\n\nThe US is beyond broken. The wealthy can do whatever they want while we are the only ones who face consequences. I can’t wait to leave this shithole again. I won’t be making the mistake of coming back like I did last year.",
">\n\nSuch a farce",
">\n\nBut he wanted to appear!!",
">\n\nThe walls are closing in.",
">\n\nOk, people. Quit guilt-edging and go home.",
">\n\nWait so what is Trump a dastardly super villain who keeps getting away or a dumb oaf. You guys just can't decide.",
">\n\nI can’t wait until nothing happens!\nHas it happened yet?",
">\n\n“All animals are equal but some animals are more equal than others.” \nHey, do you think Reddit will ever reach a state of Nirvana where it will stop claiming “Trump is really sweating now!”?",
">\n\nDoes this not set some sort of precedence? If I now get subpoenaed for something can I not just point to Trump/Barr/Holder and say “no thank you”?",
">\n\nWithdrawing a subpoena sets no precedent and is not at all uncommon.",
">\n\nThe subpoena was issued quite some time ago wasn’t it? And he just flat refused. Were Barr and Holder’s also withdrawn?",
">\n\nI saw the headline and thought the committee dropped a subpoena the way you drop an album. Then I read the article and saw that they dropped it like you drop an extra filler track from an album.",
">\n\nIt would have been a waste of time anyway. \n\"Mr. Trump, did you tell your supporters that the election was stolen and send your supporters to violently break into the capitol building to stop Joe Biden from becoming president\"? - January 6th Committee \n\"The fifth\"! - Trump\nDOJ do your job to save this nation from tyranny and further destruction!🙏",
">\n\nSurprised pikachu face",
">\n\nBut these are the same people that wanted peaceful blm protestors bathed in their own blood? What point do we all take this into our own hands",
">\n\nOh, wow. This is really bad for you, US. Like ultra super deluxe so very not good.",
">\n\nLmao…\n“ThE WaLLs arE cLoSIng in”",
">\n\nwell duh...\npolitics from the beginning",
">\n\nWhat an absolute joke.",
">\n\nInb4 trump takes this decision and expresses it as: “completely exonerated!!!”",
">\n\nThey don’t need his testimony. As if he would ever go anywhere close to a government building after the committee’s final report. Just let him relax to make it easier to arrest him",
">\n\nfucking why?",
">\n\nIsn’t the rule that if you don’t comply with a congressional subpoena you can be held in contempt and fined or jailed? Can the House sergeant-at-arms arrest the person?",
">\n\nWow, naw fuck this.",
">\n\nHe wouldn't show up anyways...🐣",
">\n\nTFG is so slippery, Teflon wouldn't stick",
">\n\nNothing will truly come to fruition until we go out into the streets and force this issue ourselves.",
">\n\nWhat’s the point of that?",
">\n\nTold you.",
">\n\nSad, and utterly predictable.\nZero accountability is the death of liberty. Actual freedom means lawlessness, rather than being a nation of laws. \nThe GOP has now proved that no law matters, and that, like Russia, we are a nation governed by the biggest criminal.",
">\n\nHe should be forced to comply, then you can say you are done",
">\n\nAn absolute travesty of justice. I would've said keep the subpoena open forever. If there's some way for the subpoena's issuing body to dissolve without legally dropping the subpoena, thus leaving it in a permanent state of legal limbo, I would have advocated for that, so that the GOP could never whitewash the fact that he defied a lawfully issued subpoena.\nOtherwise, make the GOP drop it themselves; let them be the ones who let him get away with openly flouting a subpoena.",
">\n\nSo that's it???? This ASSHOLE is scott free from prosecution?",
">\n\nWhat a jackass",
">\n\nRepublicans representatives specifically...",
">\n\nIt doesn't matter anymore the witch hunt it over ! HE'S FALLIN IN HIS OWN S**t. Ding dong !",
">\n\nThey don't need him to testify at this point and they, nor anyone believed he would ever testify. They have all the evidence they need to pass on to the DOJ. Trump said he would testify at one point but that was 🐎 💩",
">\n\nNice cope posts!",
">\n\nTbh, I'm not sure it would be of any value for him to appear. It's not like they don't already have more than enough for DOJ to charge him with criminal acts, which the Committee cannot do, regardless. The real question is what DOJ will do.",
">\n\nI knew it all the build up was for show.",
">\n\nHonestly probably for the better. Nothing would’ve been accomplished and there’s a lot of examples he can bring up of dems trying fishy stuff in 2016. Is it at the level of what trump did? No. But it’s similar enough to make things difficult",
">\n\nSo a subpoena is really only a suggestion?",
">\n\nHe was right, “ I could stand in the middle of 5th Avenue and shoot somebody and I would not lose voters”, only now he could rephrase his quote and say “I could stand in the middle of 5th Avenue and shoot somebody and not get arrested”. It’s high time for the Dems to give up on this persecution and put their energy and zeal into enacting some some legislation that benefits their constituents. Then they could run on their record instead of “vote for me, I’m not Trump”.",
">\n\nThe cynic in me says: The midterms are over. This 'walls closing in\" BS is also over. With this dismal result, I'm guessing mileqtoast Merrick also won;t get anything actually done on the DOJ side. He just doesn;t have the nuts to see it through. Nothing is going to stick to this orange guy.",
">\n\nSo like hunter's laptop or ebstein's island...If your ritch and powerful enough it dosent matter!",
">\n\nEpstein\nRich\nYou’re\nDoesn’t",
">\n\ndrops pants and bends over desk while spreading cheeks\nThank you sir may I have another!",
">\n\nNow that Dems have majority in Senate (not a tie) they can picks up this investigation"
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"So far Trump's legal strategy of ignoring calls for accountability until Republicans in Congress can bail him out is workingly flawlessly.",
">\n\nThat doesn’t mean the DoJ can’t charge and prosecute. \nRight now everything is in response to republicans getting their slim majority in the house and lessen the damage they will do.\nThat said, they still have the mountain of evidence they did gather",
">\n\nWhat about when the AG/DOJ is a GOP appointee? You don’t think they’ll just put in a Bill Barr type on the entire thing?",
">\n\nNot while they have a democratic president and especially when the previous president lost them the midterms.\nThey were already planning on replacing trump with Desantes by equating the 2 (Martha’s Vineyard was part of that), they’re only gonna lose trying to put their party’s future on the line protect him further.\nThey gonna continue to spread doubt and try to discredit the investigations, but they’re barely holding onto a branch of government, they’re not stupid. Barr only worked because they held onto 2",
">\n\nUmmm that’s not what I meant. If a GOP candidate for President wins in 2024 , what are the actual legal implications. It’s not like it’s below them to interfere like they did with the collusion charges",
">\n\n\nThe House January 6 committee is withdrawing its subpoena of former President Donald Trump as it concludes its work.\n“In light of the imminent end of our investigation, the Select Committee can no longer pursue the specific information covered by the subpoena,” Chairman Bennie Thompson, a Mississippi Democrat, wrote in a letter to Trump’s attorney Wednesday obtained by CNN.\n“Therefore, through this letter, I hereby formally withdraw the subpoena issued to former President Trump, and notify you that he is no longer obligated to comply or produce records in response to said subpoena,” Thompson added.",
">\n\nConclusion: Former president Trump is above the law.",
">\n\nYeah kind of makes me sad. Trump can just ignore a subpoena, with zero consequences. \n“We believe you tried to overthrow the government. You are legally required to come talk to us about it.”\n“No thanks.”\n“Oh. Ok, never mind.”",
">\n\nNo consequences? He's has been referred to the DOJ for obstruction of a govt processing last week. They held a recorded vote.",
">\n\nThat’s not a consequence. It’s kicking the can. Trump will never, ever be held responsible for his role in destroying democracy in America.",
">\n\nThis is not TV or a movie. \"The wheels of justice grind slowly yet exceedingly fine\" is a saying for a reason. Federal investigations usually take years.",
">\n\nHe’s been investigated for years. No consequences. Just special appointments, investigations, and referrals. In the mean time, you know who DOES face consequences?\nAmerica.",
">\n\nYou are judging the end of the movie before it is over.\nThe previous investigations were being done while he had the shield of the presidency and an attorney general running obstruction for him. None of that is true now.",
">\n\nThe GOP will continue fighting on his behalf, because the majority are complicit in 45’s fuckery. Again, no consequences will be had. I’m willing to wager a gift card to your favorite local restaurant that he will live fat, rich, and free until at least the 2024/25 inauguration. Save this post.",
">\n\nWe'll see about that. I'll admit to the loss if thats the case.",
">\n\nMore proof that we the people have no rights in comparison to the billionaire ticks.",
">\n\nDude ain't no billionaire",
">\n\nNo, but his buddies are.",
">\n\nHis puppet masters maybe",
">\n\nI mean, who would have thought not starting the fight sooner would end like this?",
">\n\nDon’t worry. He’s got so many more coming.",
">\n\nThe idea that Trump will pay any price for his crimes is a fantasy.",
">\n\nIt’s actually happening. His company has been found guilty. His charity is closed. His cohorts are about to go to jail. His popularity sagging. Protection is gone. We just need the first indictment.",
">\n\nBut none is him",
">\n\nWell Trump Org is pretty much him but be patient.",
">\n\nDrops in the bucket. \nBeen patient for like 6 years now. How much more we gotta wait?",
">\n\nHe couldn’t be prosecuted while president. Watch GA and the special prosecutor. They’re moving fast.",
">\n\nCouldn't be?\nShould have been.",
">\n\nThat’s absolutely wild that any man is able to just straight up ignore a subpoena with zero consequences. Definition of “above the law”. If he gets away with this, he is going to be more dangerous than ever. You get away with leading a coup/insurrection, you’re going to assume you can get away with literally anything. \nMaybe trump was right… he really could shoot someone in the middle of 5th avenue and not lose any voters…and also probably not even get in trouble",
">\n\nSerious questions...so the committee pull the subpoena, but it's up to DOJ for any additional follow up, but when the new congress is in session they can tell DOJ to drop everything? Is that how's its going to go down? Because I thought DOJ is supposed to be independent once given the committee's findings?",
">\n\nThe DOJ is certainly independent of Congress. As for the committee - the only thing they would've done differently was vote on a criminal referral for contempt of Congress. Although there is some truth to congressional contempt needing to stem from congress, The DOJ has no obligation to act on a referral - it is more akin to a recommendation.\nWith that being said, the committee knew it wasn't going to serve any real benefit, so they decided not to.\n\nThe DOJ decided not to prosecute Meadows and Scavino for contempt due to their close ties to the executive. This pretty much ruled out any chance of it happening to Trump, a former President. \nEven a completely successful referral (Steve Bannon) showed how inconsequential Congressional subpoena power is. For one, it is a misdemeanor. It has been ~15 months since Bannon was referred, and he was found guilty and sentenced, and he is still a free man pending appeal. And even if upheld, it's only 4 months in prison as just shy of maximum sentencing guidelines. \nThe DOJ, if they prosecute, are aiming at much bigger crimes - notably Obstruction of an Official Proceeding, which carries up to 20 years. And they'd be potentially trying these crimes in the same jurisdiction.\n\nSo I'm sure the calculation was that it just wasn't worth throwing a referral at the DOJ for something they'd never follow up on, and wouldn't be much benefit if they did.",
">\n\nIn summary, he’s committed so many crimes that this one isn’t worth any effort",
">\n\nEssentially, yeah. The DOJ has two big chances to secure a conviction: Mar-A-Lago and Jan. 6 - and they will likely bring multiple charges in a D.C. court if they decide to prosecute. Mar-A-Lago will come first, which has virtually nothing to do with this committee's work.\nReferring a misdemeanor to tack onto 4 serious felonies they referred probably only risked muddying the larger offenses. Can't blame them honestly.",
">\n\nWhat is “Mar a Lago” in this context! The tax scheme? Classified documents?",
">\n\nThe classified documents",
">\n\nSmall point but they weren't all classified and don't need to be, for what he did to be illegal. Just trying to avoid republican framing.",
">\n\nHillary was not afraid to testify every time she was asked (and testified for hours and hours each time, answering all questions asked) and never took the 5th. Yet republicans act like she is the criminal when it always has been trump.",
">\n\nEven if she was wrong she was smarter than any of the R in the room. That woman was a machine during those hearings and gave them nothing to work with.",
">\n\nShe is definitely smarter than that barrel of monkeys who questioned her, but ultimately, there was nothing to get from her - the perfect opposite case of crimey benedict donald and his co-conspirators.",
">\n\nIt's interesting to see that people think this subpoena would have continued to exist past Jan 3, 2023 given that that's when ALL open subpoenas from the outgoing congress expire and become null and void. Even if the J6 committee continued to exist- they would be required to file a brand new one in the new session.",
">\n\nIt wouldn't be that hard to file a brand new subpoena, they have lawyers who work full-time for them. That isn't an obstacle.",
">\n\nExcept for the committee doesn't exist in the new Congress and they have no powers to do anything if they don't exist.",
">\n\nIt's easy to get the two confused a lot of times.",
">\n\nHow many of y'all actually thought he wasn't going to run out the clock? \nNothing will fundamentally change.",
">\n\nNobody. The “justice takes time” chorus that dominated the narrative was only here to quell social unrest so society didn’t take a dive while the rich mocked us from their golden pedestals.",
">\n\nSerious question: Why? So what if the Dems lose power in the Congress. Let the Republicans be the one to formally dismantle the committee and subpoena on record. Then when hopefully Trump is charged by the DOJ, dems have another talking point for 2024 that the Republicans hate law and order and protect mob bosses.",
">\n\nThe select committee expires at the end of the congressional session. So they do not need to question him because the committee will not exist.",
">\n\nBut what is the point of formally withdrawing the subpoena? What does it accomplish?",
">\n\nThe committee is over. They have issued the report, they are closing up shop. They are following the process. A secondary part of the committees job was to show how a REAL congressional hearing should be handled. None of that sloppy ass grandstanding they did for Benghazi",
">\n\nMy viewpoint is that Trump and the GOP are just going to use this as “proof” that he did nothing wrong. Remember how the Mueller report “exonerated” Trump? His base believes this shit wholeheartedly and I guarantee he will use this as “evidence” for his innocence.\nShowing how things SHOULD be handled instead of taking whatever measures needed to protect Americans lead to Jan 6th happening in the first place. We all know how things should be handled, how the rules should work, but one side is willing to do whatever they need to keep power and the other is getting walked over.\nIs taking the high road worth letting fascism into our government?",
">\n\nIt’s good to know that republicans are allowed to ignore subpoenas. That’s useful info for them. Don’t expect dems to get that treatment",
">\n\nThey dropped the ball in not issuing one a couple of months ago",
">\n\nActually the Democrats have done everything not to ever pick up the ball even once. They let trump appointed republicans appoint a republican special counsel to fall like a straw man to blatant obstruction in the Russia probe. They turned it into a fundraiser for campaigning. \nThis time they let liz Cheney take the reins, who was able to preserve her republican prerogatives throughout this entire ordeal. \nThe fact is that you're all being cucked by forces of controlled opposition and I'm apparently the only one in the world who can't be so easily mitigated.\nI can't depend on any of you anymore than you can depend on yourselves.",
">\n\nYou lost all credibility at the end when you said cuck and act like you’re the smartest person in the world. Be gone!",
">\n\nYeah, I don't know how anyone can be expected to be taken seriously using that whole sentence unironically.",
">\n\nI don't expect to be taken seriously whether I say it or not, yet the facts remain as I've described.",
">\n\nI didn’t see that coming, said absolutely no one.",
">\n\nWhy.",
">\n\nHUGE mistake. The committee will be dissolved by the GOPers in a couple weeks, and all this did was to give the Marmalade Moses another fake victory to rile up his lemmings.",
">\n\nIt’s funny because I say the same thing every time about trump never getting charged and I always get shit about it like BUT NO THIS TIME IS DIFFERENT. \nLmao right. Sure it is.",
">\n\nFucking same. This is just more “ammo” for his orange, shit spewing mouth.",
">\n\nThis guy is still getting more media coverage than the current potus two years into his term. Crazy.",
">\n\nIt does blow that he wasn't forced to comply with the subpoena but for people thinking what a bummer this seems like, the house is switching to a republican majority in like a week so it didn't make a whole lot of sense to leave an active subpoena on record knowing it would never be resolved. They likely knew he wasn't going to comply when it was issued only now its offical that it was officially issued, ignored by trump, and terminated. Who knows if the DOJ will eventually file but everyone pretty much already knew that little temper tantrum trump wasn't going to aid in his own house sedition investigation.",
">\n\nIf we restrict ourselves to the issue of compliance with a subpoena from this committee, then the recent election clearly mooted every aspect of penalties or consequences related to ignoring the subpoena.\nIt's like a big brother was called over and little bro wanted him to force his adversary to bow and kiss the ground. But by the time big bro finally wanders over, the kid goes \"nah... we're good.\"\nA lot of folk like to believe contempt of court or contempt of congress is like any other crime where you do the deed and have to face the punishment. But, in general, these things do not work like crimes. Even where contempt has been codified such that there is a criminal contempt aspect, the goal remains to seek or to force compliance. This leads to \"punishments\" which are better or worse depending on how you view things. A simple view is that you could be \"sentenced\" to indefinite incarceration because it's a \"jailed until compliance\" thing.\nIn this case, Congress has been very, very reticent to try to use their inherent power to jail someone. So the most they ever do these days is refer the case to the DoJ to pursue criminal contempt of congress.\nAll in all, is this a \"good\" thing? Maybe it's not as bad as we feel it to be. Imagine any sort of argument where someone demands you do something. You retort \"are you sure?\" Bystanders urge folk cool down and think about it. Map that into the way Congress changes every two years and you get a sense that unless something is important enough that it remains after the public alters the composition of the legislative branch, maybe it's not all that important (to the public) after all.\nOn the other hand, why would anyone fear Congress when they demonstrate time and again there never really are any consequences for refusal to comply with subpoenas? But... do we want to quake in fear whenever some nutjob party gains control and enacts something as dire as the Committee on Unamerican Activities?",
">\n\nWhat is the advantage of dropping the subpoena, as opposed to just letting it expire/letting the new congress withdraw it? Why go on record saying he no longer has to come in? I get that he was never going to show, I’m just curious why this is better than the alternative.",
">\n\nI’m wondering this too. There has to be a good reason.",
">\n\n?? Why, like it had no power, but still why? This looks like weakness",
">\n\nThe subpoena expires when the new congress is sworn in on Jan 3rd. There was no practical way to enforce it.",
">\n\nWhy not just let it expire?\nNow Republicans have a talking point that the January 6th Committee withdrew their subpoena.\nThey'll use it to muddy the waters and spread more misinformation.",
">\n\nThey already had their talking points. They've had them the whole time. They already released a \"counter report\" to the J6 committee. The committee withdrew it because they are closing up shop. The report is out. Where would Donnie's answers go?",
">\n\nWhy was he not charged with contempt for no show? Once again, he gets let off for bad behaviour",
">\n\nBecause they referred him for 4 much more serious crimes with longer sentences. Referring him for this is essentially pointless.",
">\n\nYes, but i see it as another nail in the coffin, and also sends a message that subpoenas are not to be ignored",
">\n\nImagine if you or I tried to just ignore a subpoena.",
">\n\nIt’s OK if you’re a Republican, as the war criminal’s daughter who voted in line with Trump’s policies during her House tenure can attest.",
">\n\nAnother instance of unequal justice under the law, imo. If you or I disregarded a subpoena from Congress we'd be going to jail...like Steve Bannon.",
">\n\nDrag it out, do nothing, repeat. Glad the J6 group produced a ton of info and exposed a lot of the bs but what's the point of nothing really happens? Media circus? I'm so tired.",
">\n\nGreat precedent. It's good to know if I'm ever subpoenaed by congress I can just ignore it.",
">\n\nJ6 knew he'd puss out and just wanted to get it on the record. And for the same reason they haven't gone after Meadows for ignoring his subpoena, are all of the other serious crimes hanging over him and the orange Traitor in Chief, especially now, the subpoenas aren't worth the time and effort.",
">\n\n\nAnd for the same reason they haven't gone after Meadows for ignoring his subpoena\n\nTo be fair... the House voted him in criminal contempt and sent the referral to that to the DoJ. There wasn't really anything they could do beyond that with respect to his subpoena (yes, inherent contempt in theory exists, in practice it would have been useless for multiple reasons).\nMeadows is also included in the big criminal referrals the committee issued as part of their report as well.",
">\n\nAs usual, this country’s justice system is a joke",
">\n\nThis was a subpoena issued by the congress, not DOJ. He would be arrested if this was subpoena by DOJ and he didn’t show.",
">\n\nLike I said lol this country’s justice system is a joke",
">\n\nBut the justice system has not been involved yet!!! Congressional hearing is not an example of the justice system. The congress has referred the case to the DOJ or “the justice system” as a result of their hearing. DOJ will pursue a criminal investigation and pursue charges. \nJudiciary (justice system as you call it), congress, and executive branches are constitutionally separate and independent to ensure checks and balances.\nJustice system in the US is not ideal, but this specific instance is not an example of these inefficiencies. This is an example of how the congress has been ineffective in doing their legislative actions. In this instance the correct statement would be “Legislative system in this country is a joke.” Justice system has not had a chance to show its incompetence yet. That will be next.",
">\n\nNaive of you to think this is anything more than a show they’re putting on. Nothing will come of it, democrats are by nature pussies let’s be real. None have any teeth or claws. The right is full of a bunch of tribalistic monkeys, party is apparently more important than country. I guess I can rephrase, besides making money and being the best business in the world, America is a joke.",
">\n\n\"OMG. I'm so outraged by this even though I have no idea why.\"\nIt'd be nice if you guys learned the difference between the subpoena and the criminal referral. trump was never going to show up for the subpoena especially since the GOP is about to take control. It's a completely moot point.",
">\n\nExactly. The committee already referred him to the DoJ on criminal charges. Everyone is acting like they're just taking their ball and going home. They already went well and beyond a mere subpoena here, and one of the charges that they're recommending is obstruction already.",
">\n\nAren’t subpoenas mandatory with consequences? Either you show up or go to jail. Trump did neither.",
">\n\nNot if you are rich. Laws are you only for the the lower 90%",
">\n\nThis is such bullshit.",
">\n\nAnother precedent set for rich criminals to not comply. If we citizens didn’t show we’d be at a black site with electrodes on our genitals.",
">\n\nThey should have charged Trump with contempt of Congress.",
">\n\nSo whens the next uprising on behalf of rich people? Just be sure you're actually a political player because if you're just a worker you'll be charged. Chess has really changed over the past hundred years.",
">\n\nTotally expected. \nTrump, the really TV star, said he'd only agree to answer the subpoena if it were live & televised. It's quite obvious the reason is that he'd ignore the questioning & use the free air time to spew his BS, much like in the Presidential debates. \nAnd I'm sure the incoming Republican House would have loved to have given him the opportunity",
">\n\nyeah kinda moot at this point , they already made those criminal referrals anyways lol i wish they would have perused charging him for not showing up however but maybe they figured in light of everything they should focus on the key issues and at this point whatever he had to say really doesnt matter anyways as he would just lie. his testimony would pretty much be useless. its still a shame we didnt get to see it just for historys sake lol",
">\n\nAl trump would do is take the 5th like any other ordinary criminal",
">\n\nSo far as things have gone, will it now be ok for Democrats to ignore all the subpoenas that this next R House is going to send around? I’d think so….",
">\n\nOur government has failed us.... Good luck everyone.",
">\n\nAh yes the criminal Justice system, quite possibly the longest running joke in America",
">\n\n& you just know the cheeto will say something like, ha!, they dropped the subpoena cause they knew I am innocent, or some 💩 like that",
">\n\nNo surprise there. Trump is above the law, as he has proven time and again, over and over throughout the last several years. \nI will be surprised if anything comes out of this investigation, at all. \nI will be surprised if the next republican president isn't worse than Trump. \nI mean seriously, how do they convict him of anything if they can't even call him for questioning. Ever heard of anyone, ever, to get convicted of a crime that didn't have to talk to investigators at some point? \nFuck America. Fuck Trump. And fuck the pussy ass people who refuse to do their fucking job.",
">\n\nThey dropped it because it wasn't necessary and would have given him a national platform needlessly. DOJ will pass to the special council which will bring formal charges, if any will be brought.",
">\n\nThis is actually heartbreaking. Seen a lot of politicians and people of note show time and time again that the rules for EVERY CITIZEN don’t apply to them and this stings just a little more",
">\n\nMy theory that he is blackmailing everyone from the White House down with Area 51 malarky is still holding water...",
">\n\nLet us all start committing crimes and see how that goes, this is bs",
">\n\nSuch bs. I knew he would sleeze his way out of any consequences for his actions. This will only embolden him & his lunatic followers. He incites a riot that kills people & gets away with it. If any of us incited a riot, we would still be in jail & if people died during the riot, we would be charged with murder as well. So sick & tired of the double standard when it comes to a president who breaks the law & walks away, just like nixon did.",
">\n\nshould not have dropped\nshould have referred it to doj for contempt of congress...\nwhite rich continue to get a pass for what the rest of us would have long ago been prosecuted and imprisoned...",
">\n\nThey already referred him to DOJ for obstruction of a govt proceeding last week. What are you talking about?",
">\n\nYeah, because why would you want to subpoena the guy who was completely responsible for the entire thing?\nThe Chuck Schumer neoliberals have engineered this to completely let Trump get away with it - because they think the Republicans are still their friends and they don't want to piss them off!",
">\n\nThey subpoenaed trump months ago. He declined to show. Since, investigation is over, they dropped it. This is not even really news worthy.",
">\n\nHalf the people in this thread have no idea what they're talking about and are confusing the subpoena with the criminal referral.",
">\n\nOh, is that what's going on? Lol. I was wondering why ppl are making a big deal about this. This is just the committee cleaning up loose ends.",
">\n\nIt's a big deal if someone who's now a private citizen, can do wtf he wants and ignore a Congressional subpoena.",
">\n\nIt takes votes by congress to hold in contempt. They didn't need trump's testimony. He would just show up and repeat I plead the 5th anyway. Pence ignored his, too. It's pointless to hold them in contempt and get off focus of actual investigation.",
">\n\nYou're proving my point. Congressional Democrats should have enforced the subpoena and made Trump plead the 5th to every question. Imagine if Pence also appeared and pled the 5th to every question. That is political magic for the Democrats, it makes them look guilty as hell.\nTrump committed a crime, and this is America. It should be the same as if I committed a crime. We would get arrested, taken to jail until the morning, see a judge and face our charges, and then either get released on OR, held for trial, or bail set. It's not much of a democracy if laws are not enforced against powerful people.",
">\n\nOnce you all realize this is just a game and you’re the pawn things will make a lot more sense.",
">\n\nNow hear him cry about never getting a chance to testify when he’s charged.",
">\n\nI see this less as a “you’re excused” and more of a “see you in court”",
">\n\nNo need to bother with it when they've already finished their work. The only thing that testimony would have accomplished would have been getting Trump to look bad on national television, and a potential perjury charge. Trump already has embarrassed himself in public in a massive way since then, and they have bigger crimes to recommend to the DOJ for prosecution.",
">\n\nThe moment they announced the subpoena everyone got a hard on that trump would have to talk. I said it then and I’ll say it again, trump will never have to face any punishment and he doesn’t have to comply to any law or rules. They’re all more suggestions instead of laws.",
">\n\nWhat a waste of fucking time",
">\n\nSo......this was a big fat waste of time and money?",
">\n\nI mean they made a criminal referral so, no? The committee wasn’t set up to solely investigate Dolt 45 and took the testimony of over a thousand people, why is it you believe withdrawing one subpoena because the committee is winding down renders the entire process a “waste of time and money.”",
">\n\nNo mention on CNN that they dropped the subpoena after a year of January 6 January 6 January 6 terrible news station",
">\n\nWell, it’s being run by a Republican so go figure",
">\n\nTalk about the wheels of justice turning slow. In this case reversing altogether. Well done.",
">\n\nI wish this surprised me.",
">\n\nLOL God this is so funny\nWhat the fuck did y'all expect if you have money you are above the law. It only applies to the poor and those who step on the toes of capital.",
">\n\nWhat a waste of money",
">\n\n...And a Happy New Year!",
">\n\nClassic",
">\n\nShocking",
">\n\nOur governing body are a bunch of cowards. The US is being safeguarded by self-interested Congresspersons who speak about accountability and act on cowardice.",
">\n\nLet's be honest he'll get away with everything with a slap on the wrist. This country won't prosecute a sitting or former president or high ranking politician, we've seen this over and over. The whole committee is sadly a publicity stunt to gain traction for Democrat's. I hope I'm completely wrong of course and that this country will start to feel like it's a democracy.",
">\n\nThe coup is in effect.",
">\n\nI have a sad feeling this committee is going to end up like a fart in the wind",
">\n\nYou’re not wrong",
">\n\nWtf are you talking about?",
">\n\nHands",
">\n\nWho are you talking to? Lmao",
">\n\nWent out with a whimper. The most Democrat thing ever.\nWish the Dems would learn how to take the gloves off, at least they would have a shot against an opponent that has no problems filling their gloves with lead shot. Then bragging about it.",
">\n\nThe subpoena, and associated contempt charges would be nothing when compared to the recommendations made by the committee to the DOJ. Whether or not the DOJ will act is all that matters at this point.",
">\n\nPathetic pieces of shit",
">\n\nAll theatre, all the time. Seems like by now, to most people, that somehow being trolled by their favorite elected might be possible.",
">\n\nSo wait, he just gets away with everything? Just like that?\nWhat about all the articles saying that Trump will most likely spend the rest of his life in prison?",
">\n\nThe subpoena has nothing to do with the recommendations made by the committee to the DOJ. The ball is in the DOJ’s court. The subpoena doesn’t impact anything. Absurd that he didn’t get held in contempt, but that is more of a distraction than anything.",
">\n\nI see. Thanks for explaining!",
">\n\nCan anyone explain why he was not arrested for not responding to the subpoena? I thought you had to respond to these?",
">\n\nFirst they would have had to vote for contempt. Then they would need to issue a referral to DOJ, then DOJ would need to consider it. That is not happening in a week before the new congress is sworn in an this committee expires. They have issued their report and no longer need to speak to him. That is why it was withdrawn. Their job is done.",
">\n\nSubpoenas are real, or they’re not.\nIn the real world if any person defied or ignored a subpoena they would be arrested immediately.\nWhy are some Americans allowed to break the law in broad daylight.",
">\n\nWhy is the DOJ dragging its feet in charging anyone?",
">\n\nDOJ has charged over 700 people out of January 6 and they continue to charge cases. Most of these cases took months if not years to come to fruition.\nAt the end of the day DOJ has no obligation to act on any of the committee’s referrals, although I believe they already have ongoing investigations as to several of the subjects. If anything new comes out of the committee’s work it’s unlikely to happen soon.",
">\n\nThe US is beyond broken. The wealthy can do whatever they want while we are the only ones who face consequences. I can’t wait to leave this shithole again. I won’t be making the mistake of coming back like I did last year.",
">\n\nSuch a farce",
">\n\nBut he wanted to appear!!",
">\n\nThe walls are closing in.",
">\n\nOk, people. Quit guilt-edging and go home.",
">\n\nWait so what is Trump a dastardly super villain who keeps getting away or a dumb oaf. You guys just can't decide.",
">\n\nI can’t wait until nothing happens!\nHas it happened yet?",
">\n\n“All animals are equal but some animals are more equal than others.” \nHey, do you think Reddit will ever reach a state of Nirvana where it will stop claiming “Trump is really sweating now!”?",
">\n\nDoes this not set some sort of precedence? If I now get subpoenaed for something can I not just point to Trump/Barr/Holder and say “no thank you”?",
">\n\nWithdrawing a subpoena sets no precedent and is not at all uncommon.",
">\n\nThe subpoena was issued quite some time ago wasn’t it? And he just flat refused. Were Barr and Holder’s also withdrawn?",
">\n\nI saw the headline and thought the committee dropped a subpoena the way you drop an album. Then I read the article and saw that they dropped it like you drop an extra filler track from an album.",
">\n\nIt would have been a waste of time anyway. \n\"Mr. Trump, did you tell your supporters that the election was stolen and send your supporters to violently break into the capitol building to stop Joe Biden from becoming president\"? - January 6th Committee \n\"The fifth\"! - Trump\nDOJ do your job to save this nation from tyranny and further destruction!🙏",
">\n\nSurprised pikachu face",
">\n\nBut these are the same people that wanted peaceful blm protestors bathed in their own blood? What point do we all take this into our own hands",
">\n\nOh, wow. This is really bad for you, US. Like ultra super deluxe so very not good.",
">\n\nLmao…\n“ThE WaLLs arE cLoSIng in”",
">\n\nwell duh...\npolitics from the beginning",
">\n\nWhat an absolute joke.",
">\n\nInb4 trump takes this decision and expresses it as: “completely exonerated!!!”",
">\n\nThey don’t need his testimony. As if he would ever go anywhere close to a government building after the committee’s final report. Just let him relax to make it easier to arrest him",
">\n\nfucking why?",
">\n\nIsn’t the rule that if you don’t comply with a congressional subpoena you can be held in contempt and fined or jailed? Can the House sergeant-at-arms arrest the person?",
">\n\nWow, naw fuck this.",
">\n\nHe wouldn't show up anyways...🐣",
">\n\nTFG is so slippery, Teflon wouldn't stick",
">\n\nNothing will truly come to fruition until we go out into the streets and force this issue ourselves.",
">\n\nWhat’s the point of that?",
">\n\nTold you.",
">\n\nSad, and utterly predictable.\nZero accountability is the death of liberty. Actual freedom means lawlessness, rather than being a nation of laws. \nThe GOP has now proved that no law matters, and that, like Russia, we are a nation governed by the biggest criminal.",
">\n\nHe should be forced to comply, then you can say you are done",
">\n\nAn absolute travesty of justice. I would've said keep the subpoena open forever. If there's some way for the subpoena's issuing body to dissolve without legally dropping the subpoena, thus leaving it in a permanent state of legal limbo, I would have advocated for that, so that the GOP could never whitewash the fact that he defied a lawfully issued subpoena.\nOtherwise, make the GOP drop it themselves; let them be the ones who let him get away with openly flouting a subpoena.",
">\n\nSo that's it???? This ASSHOLE is scott free from prosecution?",
">\n\nWhat a jackass",
">\n\nRepublicans representatives specifically...",
">\n\nIt doesn't matter anymore the witch hunt it over ! HE'S FALLIN IN HIS OWN S**t. Ding dong !",
">\n\nThey don't need him to testify at this point and they, nor anyone believed he would ever testify. They have all the evidence they need to pass on to the DOJ. Trump said he would testify at one point but that was 🐎 💩",
">\n\nNice cope posts!",
">\n\nTbh, I'm not sure it would be of any value for him to appear. It's not like they don't already have more than enough for DOJ to charge him with criminal acts, which the Committee cannot do, regardless. The real question is what DOJ will do.",
">\n\nI knew it all the build up was for show.",
">\n\nHonestly probably for the better. Nothing would’ve been accomplished and there’s a lot of examples he can bring up of dems trying fishy stuff in 2016. Is it at the level of what trump did? No. But it’s similar enough to make things difficult",
">\n\nSo a subpoena is really only a suggestion?",
">\n\nHe was right, “ I could stand in the middle of 5th Avenue and shoot somebody and I would not lose voters”, only now he could rephrase his quote and say “I could stand in the middle of 5th Avenue and shoot somebody and not get arrested”. It’s high time for the Dems to give up on this persecution and put their energy and zeal into enacting some some legislation that benefits their constituents. Then they could run on their record instead of “vote for me, I’m not Trump”.",
">\n\nThe cynic in me says: The midterms are over. This 'walls closing in\" BS is also over. With this dismal result, I'm guessing mileqtoast Merrick also won;t get anything actually done on the DOJ side. He just doesn;t have the nuts to see it through. Nothing is going to stick to this orange guy.",
">\n\nSo like hunter's laptop or ebstein's island...If your ritch and powerful enough it dosent matter!",
">\n\nEpstein\nRich\nYou’re\nDoesn’t",
">\n\ndrops pants and bends over desk while spreading cheeks\nThank you sir may I have another!",
">\n\nNow that Dems have majority in Senate (not a tie) they can picks up this investigation",
">\n\nYeah this is not a surprise. There was never any chance Trump would be held accountable for his actions."
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Given the number of undocumented people in the Indian Subcontinent, we're probably already well past 8 billion. It's just hard to estimate how far past.
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India is due for a census since 2020
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">\n\nGiven the number of undocumented people in the Indian Subcontinent, we're probably already well past 8 billion. It's just hard to estimate how far past."
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Cue the "you're the 8 billionth baby, claim your prize now!" 90's banner ads
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">\n\nGiven the number of undocumented people in the Indian Subcontinent, we're probably already well past 8 billion. It's just hard to estimate how far past.",
">\n\nIndia is due for a census since 2020"
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If you count dead people, 117 billion babies were born already.
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">\n\nGiven the number of undocumented people in the Indian Subcontinent, we're probably already well past 8 billion. It's just hard to estimate how far past.",
">\n\nIndia is due for a census since 2020",
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We definitely should
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">\n\nGiven the number of undocumented people in the Indian Subcontinent, we're probably already well past 8 billion. It's just hard to estimate how far past.",
">\n\nIndia is due for a census since 2020",
">\n\nCue the \"you're the 8 billionth baby, claim your prize now!\" 90's banner ads",
">\n\nIf you count dead people, 117 billion babies were born already."
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">\n\nGiven the number of undocumented people in the Indian Subcontinent, we're probably already well past 8 billion. It's just hard to estimate how far past.",
">\n\nIndia is due for a census since 2020",
">\n\nCue the \"you're the 8 billionth baby, claim your prize now!\" 90's banner ads",
">\n\nIf you count dead people, 117 billion babies were born already.",
">\n\nWe definitely should"
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Sitting in my cozy house now drinking my hot morning coffee while surfing the internet. Crazy how lucky I am just for being born in a different country.
I respect the people of Ukraine so much for their spirit, and backing their country in this difficult times.
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I just felt the same. I wish the Russian Army would just wake up, see what they have done and go home.
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I hope this doesn’t come off wrong but I’m willing to bet there’s not one Russian soldier that wouldn’t go home if they could.
At this rate there won’t be anything to go back home to.
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">\n\nI just felt the same. I wish the Russian Army would just wake up, see what they have done and go home."
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This might be true for the conscripts,
but there seem to be a lot of Russians who have been successfully brainwashed during the last two decades and still believe that the war against Ukraine is the right thing.
And mercenaries like Wagner and Patriot are in it for their own profit.
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"Sitting in my cozy house now drinking my hot morning coffee while surfing the internet. Crazy how lucky I am just for being born in a different country. \nI respect the people of Ukraine so much for their spirit, and backing their country in this difficult times.",
">\n\nI just felt the same. I wish the Russian Army would just wake up, see what they have done and go home.",
">\n\nI hope this doesn’t come off wrong but I’m willing to bet there’s not one Russian soldier that wouldn’t go home if they could. \nAt this rate there won’t be anything to go back home to."
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Have you heard about the stories of North Koreans and their most value possessions being Kim's photo on their wall?
I don't think most of us know the difference between brainwashing and the fear of falling out of a building or accidentally having an icicle fall on your head.
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"Sitting in my cozy house now drinking my hot morning coffee while surfing the internet. Crazy how lucky I am just for being born in a different country. \nI respect the people of Ukraine so much for their spirit, and backing their country in this difficult times.",
">\n\nI just felt the same. I wish the Russian Army would just wake up, see what they have done and go home.",
">\n\nI hope this doesn’t come off wrong but I’m willing to bet there’s not one Russian soldier that wouldn’t go home if they could. \nAt this rate there won’t be anything to go back home to.",
">\n\nThis might be true for the conscripts, \nbut there seem to be a lot of Russians who have been successfully brainwashed during the last two decades and still believe that the war against Ukraine is the right thing.\nAnd mercenaries like Wagner and Patriot are in it for their own profit."
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I get your point and it is a complicated matter.
Whether they are brainwashed, genuinely convinced that it's a justified and necessary war or fighting for their own interests - my point was that some Russian soldiers want to fight this war.
I was responding to someone who suggested that every one of them would go home if they could.
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"Sitting in my cozy house now drinking my hot morning coffee while surfing the internet. Crazy how lucky I am just for being born in a different country. \nI respect the people of Ukraine so much for their spirit, and backing their country in this difficult times.",
">\n\nI just felt the same. I wish the Russian Army would just wake up, see what they have done and go home.",
">\n\nI hope this doesn’t come off wrong but I’m willing to bet there’s not one Russian soldier that wouldn’t go home if they could. \nAt this rate there won’t be anything to go back home to.",
">\n\nThis might be true for the conscripts, \nbut there seem to be a lot of Russians who have been successfully brainwashed during the last two decades and still believe that the war against Ukraine is the right thing.\nAnd mercenaries like Wagner and Patriot are in it for their own profit.",
">\n\nHave you heard about the stories of North Koreans and their most value possessions being Kim's photo on their wall? \nI don't think most of us know the difference between brainwashing and the fear of falling out of a building or accidentally having an icicle fall on your head."
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Well of course some Russian but I won't group all Russians that way. The other side of the coin are regular folks lining up for the boot camp bus and that's likely the last time they'll see their wives and children again.
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"Sitting in my cozy house now drinking my hot morning coffee while surfing the internet. Crazy how lucky I am just for being born in a different country. \nI respect the people of Ukraine so much for their spirit, and backing their country in this difficult times.",
">\n\nI just felt the same. I wish the Russian Army would just wake up, see what they have done and go home.",
">\n\nI hope this doesn’t come off wrong but I’m willing to bet there’s not one Russian soldier that wouldn’t go home if they could. \nAt this rate there won’t be anything to go back home to.",
">\n\nThis might be true for the conscripts, \nbut there seem to be a lot of Russians who have been successfully brainwashed during the last two decades and still believe that the war against Ukraine is the right thing.\nAnd mercenaries like Wagner and Patriot are in it for their own profit.",
">\n\nHave you heard about the stories of North Koreans and their most value possessions being Kim's photo on their wall? \nI don't think most of us know the difference between brainwashing and the fear of falling out of a building or accidentally having an icicle fall on your head.",
">\n\nI get your point and it is a complicated matter.\nWhether they are brainwashed, genuinely convinced that it's a justified and necessary war or fighting for their own interests - my point was that some Russian soldiers want to fight this war.\nI was responding to someone who suggested that every one of them would go home if they could."
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historically, bombing civilians has caused nations to buckle under
wait hold on I'm being given some information
Oh
Sorry about that, historically, bombing civilians has caused nations to fight to the last breath
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"Sitting in my cozy house now drinking my hot morning coffee while surfing the internet. Crazy how lucky I am just for being born in a different country. \nI respect the people of Ukraine so much for their spirit, and backing their country in this difficult times.",
">\n\nI just felt the same. I wish the Russian Army would just wake up, see what they have done and go home.",
">\n\nI hope this doesn’t come off wrong but I’m willing to bet there’s not one Russian soldier that wouldn’t go home if they could. \nAt this rate there won’t be anything to go back home to.",
">\n\nThis might be true for the conscripts, \nbut there seem to be a lot of Russians who have been successfully brainwashed during the last two decades and still believe that the war against Ukraine is the right thing.\nAnd mercenaries like Wagner and Patriot are in it for their own profit.",
">\n\nHave you heard about the stories of North Koreans and their most value possessions being Kim's photo on their wall? \nI don't think most of us know the difference between brainwashing and the fear of falling out of a building or accidentally having an icicle fall on your head.",
">\n\nI get your point and it is a complicated matter.\nWhether they are brainwashed, genuinely convinced that it's a justified and necessary war or fighting for their own interests - my point was that some Russian soldiers want to fight this war.\nI was responding to someone who suggested that every one of them would go home if they could.",
">\n\nWell of course some Russian but I won't group all Russians that way. The other side of the coin are regular folks lining up for the boot camp bus and that's likely the last time they'll see their wives and children again."
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There's about 200,000 Japanese civilians who would strongly disagree with you if they weren't more then smears on the pavement.
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">\n\nI just felt the same. I wish the Russian Army would just wake up, see what they have done and go home.",
">\n\nI hope this doesn’t come off wrong but I’m willing to bet there’s not one Russian soldier that wouldn’t go home if they could. \nAt this rate there won’t be anything to go back home to.",
">\n\nThis might be true for the conscripts, \nbut there seem to be a lot of Russians who have been successfully brainwashed during the last two decades and still believe that the war against Ukraine is the right thing.\nAnd mercenaries like Wagner and Patriot are in it for their own profit.",
">\n\nHave you heard about the stories of North Koreans and their most value possessions being Kim's photo on their wall? \nI don't think most of us know the difference between brainwashing and the fear of falling out of a building or accidentally having an icicle fall on your head.",
">\n\nI get your point and it is a complicated matter.\nWhether they are brainwashed, genuinely convinced that it's a justified and necessary war or fighting for their own interests - my point was that some Russian soldiers want to fight this war.\nI was responding to someone who suggested that every one of them would go home if they could.",
">\n\nWell of course some Russian but I won't group all Russians that way. The other side of the coin are regular folks lining up for the boot camp bus and that's likely the last time they'll see their wives and children again.",
">\n\nhistorically, bombing civilians has caused nations to buckle under\nwait hold on I'm being given some information\nOh\nSorry about that, historically, bombing civilians has caused nations to fight to the last breath"
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The populace was broadly still on board with the war, even by then. The government had known it would be a losing war for years by the time the bombs were dropped and much of Japan was already ash.
The government saw the writing on the wall and finally faced reality. It wasn't popular backlash to the war that brought Japanese surrender.
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">\n\nI just felt the same. I wish the Russian Army would just wake up, see what they have done and go home.",
">\n\nI hope this doesn’t come off wrong but I’m willing to bet there’s not one Russian soldier that wouldn’t go home if they could. \nAt this rate there won’t be anything to go back home to.",
">\n\nThis might be true for the conscripts, \nbut there seem to be a lot of Russians who have been successfully brainwashed during the last two decades and still believe that the war against Ukraine is the right thing.\nAnd mercenaries like Wagner and Patriot are in it for their own profit.",
">\n\nHave you heard about the stories of North Koreans and their most value possessions being Kim's photo on their wall? \nI don't think most of us know the difference between brainwashing and the fear of falling out of a building or accidentally having an icicle fall on your head.",
">\n\nI get your point and it is a complicated matter.\nWhether they are brainwashed, genuinely convinced that it's a justified and necessary war or fighting for their own interests - my point was that some Russian soldiers want to fight this war.\nI was responding to someone who suggested that every one of them would go home if they could.",
">\n\nWell of course some Russian but I won't group all Russians that way. The other side of the coin are regular folks lining up for the boot camp bus and that's likely the last time they'll see their wives and children again.",
">\n\nhistorically, bombing civilians has caused nations to buckle under\nwait hold on I'm being given some information\nOh\nSorry about that, historically, bombing civilians has caused nations to fight to the last breath",
">\n\nThere's about 200,000 Japanese civilians who would strongly disagree with you if they weren't more then smears on the pavement."
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It actually wasn’t until the Soviet’s invaded Manchuria that Japan surrendered. The opening of a 2 front war accelerated japans decision to surrender.
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">\n\nI just felt the same. I wish the Russian Army would just wake up, see what they have done and go home.",
">\n\nI hope this doesn’t come off wrong but I’m willing to bet there’s not one Russian soldier that wouldn’t go home if they could. \nAt this rate there won’t be anything to go back home to.",
">\n\nThis might be true for the conscripts, \nbut there seem to be a lot of Russians who have been successfully brainwashed during the last two decades and still believe that the war against Ukraine is the right thing.\nAnd mercenaries like Wagner and Patriot are in it for their own profit.",
">\n\nHave you heard about the stories of North Koreans and their most value possessions being Kim's photo on their wall? \nI don't think most of us know the difference between brainwashing and the fear of falling out of a building or accidentally having an icicle fall on your head.",
">\n\nI get your point and it is a complicated matter.\nWhether they are brainwashed, genuinely convinced that it's a justified and necessary war or fighting for their own interests - my point was that some Russian soldiers want to fight this war.\nI was responding to someone who suggested that every one of them would go home if they could.",
">\n\nWell of course some Russian but I won't group all Russians that way. The other side of the coin are regular folks lining up for the boot camp bus and that's likely the last time they'll see their wives and children again.",
">\n\nhistorically, bombing civilians has caused nations to buckle under\nwait hold on I'm being given some information\nOh\nSorry about that, historically, bombing civilians has caused nations to fight to the last breath",
">\n\nThere's about 200,000 Japanese civilians who would strongly disagree with you if they weren't more then smears on the pavement.",
">\n\nThe populace was broadly still on board with the war, even by then. The government had known it would be a losing war for years by the time the bombs were dropped and much of Japan was already ash. \nThe government saw the writing on the wall and finally faced reality. It wasn't popular backlash to the war that brought Japanese surrender."
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It was both, the bombing of Nagasaki and the Soviet invasion of Manchuria happened on the same day.
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">\n\nI just felt the same. I wish the Russian Army would just wake up, see what they have done and go home.",
">\n\nI hope this doesn’t come off wrong but I’m willing to bet there’s not one Russian soldier that wouldn’t go home if they could. \nAt this rate there won’t be anything to go back home to.",
">\n\nThis might be true for the conscripts, \nbut there seem to be a lot of Russians who have been successfully brainwashed during the last two decades and still believe that the war against Ukraine is the right thing.\nAnd mercenaries like Wagner and Patriot are in it for their own profit.",
">\n\nHave you heard about the stories of North Koreans and their most value possessions being Kim's photo on their wall? \nI don't think most of us know the difference between brainwashing and the fear of falling out of a building or accidentally having an icicle fall on your head.",
">\n\nI get your point and it is a complicated matter.\nWhether they are brainwashed, genuinely convinced that it's a justified and necessary war or fighting for their own interests - my point was that some Russian soldiers want to fight this war.\nI was responding to someone who suggested that every one of them would go home if they could.",
">\n\nWell of course some Russian but I won't group all Russians that way. The other side of the coin are regular folks lining up for the boot camp bus and that's likely the last time they'll see their wives and children again.",
">\n\nhistorically, bombing civilians has caused nations to buckle under\nwait hold on I'm being given some information\nOh\nSorry about that, historically, bombing civilians has caused nations to fight to the last breath",
">\n\nThere's about 200,000 Japanese civilians who would strongly disagree with you if they weren't more then smears on the pavement.",
">\n\nThe populace was broadly still on board with the war, even by then. The government had known it would be a losing war for years by the time the bombs were dropped and much of Japan was already ash. \nThe government saw the writing on the wall and finally faced reality. It wasn't popular backlash to the war that brought Japanese surrender.",
">\n\nIt actually wasn’t until the Soviet’s invaded Manchuria that Japan surrendered. The opening of a 2 front war accelerated japans decision to surrender."
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Russia is a terrorist nation, that cannot be denied.
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">\n\nI just felt the same. I wish the Russian Army would just wake up, see what they have done and go home.",
">\n\nI hope this doesn’t come off wrong but I’m willing to bet there’s not one Russian soldier that wouldn’t go home if they could. \nAt this rate there won’t be anything to go back home to.",
">\n\nThis might be true for the conscripts, \nbut there seem to be a lot of Russians who have been successfully brainwashed during the last two decades and still believe that the war against Ukraine is the right thing.\nAnd mercenaries like Wagner and Patriot are in it for their own profit.",
">\n\nHave you heard about the stories of North Koreans and their most value possessions being Kim's photo on their wall? \nI don't think most of us know the difference between brainwashing and the fear of falling out of a building or accidentally having an icicle fall on your head.",
">\n\nI get your point and it is a complicated matter.\nWhether they are brainwashed, genuinely convinced that it's a justified and necessary war or fighting for their own interests - my point was that some Russian soldiers want to fight this war.\nI was responding to someone who suggested that every one of them would go home if they could.",
">\n\nWell of course some Russian but I won't group all Russians that way. The other side of the coin are regular folks lining up for the boot camp bus and that's likely the last time they'll see their wives and children again.",
">\n\nhistorically, bombing civilians has caused nations to buckle under\nwait hold on I'm being given some information\nOh\nSorry about that, historically, bombing civilians has caused nations to fight to the last breath",
">\n\nThere's about 200,000 Japanese civilians who would strongly disagree with you if they weren't more then smears on the pavement.",
">\n\nThe populace was broadly still on board with the war, even by then. The government had known it would be a losing war for years by the time the bombs were dropped and much of Japan was already ash. \nThe government saw the writing on the wall and finally faced reality. It wasn't popular backlash to the war that brought Japanese surrender.",
">\n\nIt actually wasn’t until the Soviet’s invaded Manchuria that Japan surrendered. The opening of a 2 front war accelerated japans decision to surrender.",
">\n\nIt was both, the bombing of Nagasaki and the Soviet invasion of Manchuria happened on the same day."
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USA disagrees
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">\n\nI just felt the same. I wish the Russian Army would just wake up, see what they have done and go home.",
">\n\nI hope this doesn’t come off wrong but I’m willing to bet there’s not one Russian soldier that wouldn’t go home if they could. \nAt this rate there won’t be anything to go back home to.",
">\n\nThis might be true for the conscripts, \nbut there seem to be a lot of Russians who have been successfully brainwashed during the last two decades and still believe that the war against Ukraine is the right thing.\nAnd mercenaries like Wagner and Patriot are in it for their own profit.",
">\n\nHave you heard about the stories of North Koreans and their most value possessions being Kim's photo on their wall? \nI don't think most of us know the difference between brainwashing and the fear of falling out of a building or accidentally having an icicle fall on your head.",
">\n\nI get your point and it is a complicated matter.\nWhether they are brainwashed, genuinely convinced that it's a justified and necessary war or fighting for their own interests - my point was that some Russian soldiers want to fight this war.\nI was responding to someone who suggested that every one of them would go home if they could.",
">\n\nWell of course some Russian but I won't group all Russians that way. The other side of the coin are regular folks lining up for the boot camp bus and that's likely the last time they'll see their wives and children again.",
">\n\nhistorically, bombing civilians has caused nations to buckle under\nwait hold on I'm being given some information\nOh\nSorry about that, historically, bombing civilians has caused nations to fight to the last breath",
">\n\nThere's about 200,000 Japanese civilians who would strongly disagree with you if they weren't more then smears on the pavement.",
">\n\nThe populace was broadly still on board with the war, even by then. The government had known it would be a losing war for years by the time the bombs were dropped and much of Japan was already ash. \nThe government saw the writing on the wall and finally faced reality. It wasn't popular backlash to the war that brought Japanese surrender.",
">\n\nIt actually wasn’t until the Soviet’s invaded Manchuria that Japan surrendered. The opening of a 2 front war accelerated japans decision to surrender.",
">\n\nIt was both, the bombing of Nagasaki and the Soviet invasion of Manchuria happened on the same day.",
">\n\nRussia is a terrorist nation, that cannot be denied."
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How so?
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"Sitting in my cozy house now drinking my hot morning coffee while surfing the internet. Crazy how lucky I am just for being born in a different country. \nI respect the people of Ukraine so much for their spirit, and backing their country in this difficult times.",
">\n\nI just felt the same. I wish the Russian Army would just wake up, see what they have done and go home.",
">\n\nI hope this doesn’t come off wrong but I’m willing to bet there’s not one Russian soldier that wouldn’t go home if they could. \nAt this rate there won’t be anything to go back home to.",
">\n\nThis might be true for the conscripts, \nbut there seem to be a lot of Russians who have been successfully brainwashed during the last two decades and still believe that the war against Ukraine is the right thing.\nAnd mercenaries like Wagner and Patriot are in it for their own profit.",
">\n\nHave you heard about the stories of North Koreans and their most value possessions being Kim's photo on their wall? \nI don't think most of us know the difference between brainwashing and the fear of falling out of a building or accidentally having an icicle fall on your head.",
">\n\nI get your point and it is a complicated matter.\nWhether they are brainwashed, genuinely convinced that it's a justified and necessary war or fighting for their own interests - my point was that some Russian soldiers want to fight this war.\nI was responding to someone who suggested that every one of them would go home if they could.",
">\n\nWell of course some Russian but I won't group all Russians that way. The other side of the coin are regular folks lining up for the boot camp bus and that's likely the last time they'll see their wives and children again.",
">\n\nhistorically, bombing civilians has caused nations to buckle under\nwait hold on I'm being given some information\nOh\nSorry about that, historically, bombing civilians has caused nations to fight to the last breath",
">\n\nThere's about 200,000 Japanese civilians who would strongly disagree with you if they weren't more then smears on the pavement.",
">\n\nThe populace was broadly still on board with the war, even by then. The government had known it would be a losing war for years by the time the bombs were dropped and much of Japan was already ash. \nThe government saw the writing on the wall and finally faced reality. It wasn't popular backlash to the war that brought Japanese surrender.",
">\n\nIt actually wasn’t until the Soviet’s invaded Manchuria that Japan surrendered. The opening of a 2 front war accelerated japans decision to surrender.",
">\n\nIt was both, the bombing of Nagasaki and the Soviet invasion of Manchuria happened on the same day.",
">\n\nRussia is a terrorist nation, that cannot be denied.",
">\n\nUSA disagrees"
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The motion to assign sponsor of terrorism status to russia was silently shut down.
As The Hill wonderfully puts it - instead they're going for a half-baked PR stunt with no consequences
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">\n\nI just felt the same. I wish the Russian Army would just wake up, see what they have done and go home.",
">\n\nI hope this doesn’t come off wrong but I’m willing to bet there’s not one Russian soldier that wouldn’t go home if they could. \nAt this rate there won’t be anything to go back home to.",
">\n\nThis might be true for the conscripts, \nbut there seem to be a lot of Russians who have been successfully brainwashed during the last two decades and still believe that the war against Ukraine is the right thing.\nAnd mercenaries like Wagner and Patriot are in it for their own profit.",
">\n\nHave you heard about the stories of North Koreans and their most value possessions being Kim's photo on their wall? \nI don't think most of us know the difference between brainwashing and the fear of falling out of a building or accidentally having an icicle fall on your head.",
">\n\nI get your point and it is a complicated matter.\nWhether they are brainwashed, genuinely convinced that it's a justified and necessary war or fighting for their own interests - my point was that some Russian soldiers want to fight this war.\nI was responding to someone who suggested that every one of them would go home if they could.",
">\n\nWell of course some Russian but I won't group all Russians that way. The other side of the coin are regular folks lining up for the boot camp bus and that's likely the last time they'll see their wives and children again.",
">\n\nhistorically, bombing civilians has caused nations to buckle under\nwait hold on I'm being given some information\nOh\nSorry about that, historically, bombing civilians has caused nations to fight to the last breath",
">\n\nThere's about 200,000 Japanese civilians who would strongly disagree with you if they weren't more then smears on the pavement.",
">\n\nThe populace was broadly still on board with the war, even by then. The government had known it would be a losing war for years by the time the bombs were dropped and much of Japan was already ash. \nThe government saw the writing on the wall and finally faced reality. It wasn't popular backlash to the war that brought Japanese surrender.",
">\n\nIt actually wasn’t until the Soviet’s invaded Manchuria that Japan surrendered. The opening of a 2 front war accelerated japans decision to surrender.",
">\n\nIt was both, the bombing of Nagasaki and the Soviet invasion of Manchuria happened on the same day.",
">\n\nRussia is a terrorist nation, that cannot be denied.",
">\n\nUSA disagrees",
">\n\nHow so?"
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>
Not because they don’t agree with the classification in a descriptive sense, but rather more because classifying them this way, legally, has pretty dramatic implications that would fuck over a lot of their allies
They need a new classification that better suits the circumstances
|
[
"Sitting in my cozy house now drinking my hot morning coffee while surfing the internet. Crazy how lucky I am just for being born in a different country. \nI respect the people of Ukraine so much for their spirit, and backing their country in this difficult times.",
">\n\nI just felt the same. I wish the Russian Army would just wake up, see what they have done and go home.",
">\n\nI hope this doesn’t come off wrong but I’m willing to bet there’s not one Russian soldier that wouldn’t go home if they could. \nAt this rate there won’t be anything to go back home to.",
">\n\nThis might be true for the conscripts, \nbut there seem to be a lot of Russians who have been successfully brainwashed during the last two decades and still believe that the war against Ukraine is the right thing.\nAnd mercenaries like Wagner and Patriot are in it for their own profit.",
">\n\nHave you heard about the stories of North Koreans and their most value possessions being Kim's photo on their wall? \nI don't think most of us know the difference between brainwashing and the fear of falling out of a building or accidentally having an icicle fall on your head.",
">\n\nI get your point and it is a complicated matter.\nWhether they are brainwashed, genuinely convinced that it's a justified and necessary war or fighting for their own interests - my point was that some Russian soldiers want to fight this war.\nI was responding to someone who suggested that every one of them would go home if they could.",
">\n\nWell of course some Russian but I won't group all Russians that way. The other side of the coin are regular folks lining up for the boot camp bus and that's likely the last time they'll see their wives and children again.",
">\n\nhistorically, bombing civilians has caused nations to buckle under\nwait hold on I'm being given some information\nOh\nSorry about that, historically, bombing civilians has caused nations to fight to the last breath",
">\n\nThere's about 200,000 Japanese civilians who would strongly disagree with you if they weren't more then smears on the pavement.",
">\n\nThe populace was broadly still on board with the war, even by then. The government had known it would be a losing war for years by the time the bombs were dropped and much of Japan was already ash. \nThe government saw the writing on the wall and finally faced reality. It wasn't popular backlash to the war that brought Japanese surrender.",
">\n\nIt actually wasn’t until the Soviet’s invaded Manchuria that Japan surrendered. The opening of a 2 front war accelerated japans decision to surrender.",
">\n\nIt was both, the bombing of Nagasaki and the Soviet invasion of Manchuria happened on the same day.",
">\n\nRussia is a terrorist nation, that cannot be denied.",
">\n\nUSA disagrees",
">\n\nHow so?",
">\n\nThe motion to assign sponsor of terrorism status to russia was silently shut down.\nAs The Hill wonderfully puts it - instead they're going for a half-baked PR stunt with no consequences"
] |
>
"Russian terrorists that have broke all agreements and probably have the highest victim count of all the entities on the SOT list need special treatment because reasons."
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[
"Sitting in my cozy house now drinking my hot morning coffee while surfing the internet. Crazy how lucky I am just for being born in a different country. \nI respect the people of Ukraine so much for their spirit, and backing their country in this difficult times.",
">\n\nI just felt the same. I wish the Russian Army would just wake up, see what they have done and go home.",
">\n\nI hope this doesn’t come off wrong but I’m willing to bet there’s not one Russian soldier that wouldn’t go home if they could. \nAt this rate there won’t be anything to go back home to.",
">\n\nThis might be true for the conscripts, \nbut there seem to be a lot of Russians who have been successfully brainwashed during the last two decades and still believe that the war against Ukraine is the right thing.\nAnd mercenaries like Wagner and Patriot are in it for their own profit.",
">\n\nHave you heard about the stories of North Koreans and their most value possessions being Kim's photo on their wall? \nI don't think most of us know the difference between brainwashing and the fear of falling out of a building or accidentally having an icicle fall on your head.",
">\n\nI get your point and it is a complicated matter.\nWhether they are brainwashed, genuinely convinced that it's a justified and necessary war or fighting for their own interests - my point was that some Russian soldiers want to fight this war.\nI was responding to someone who suggested that every one of them would go home if they could.",
">\n\nWell of course some Russian but I won't group all Russians that way. The other side of the coin are regular folks lining up for the boot camp bus and that's likely the last time they'll see their wives and children again.",
">\n\nhistorically, bombing civilians has caused nations to buckle under\nwait hold on I'm being given some information\nOh\nSorry about that, historically, bombing civilians has caused nations to fight to the last breath",
">\n\nThere's about 200,000 Japanese civilians who would strongly disagree with you if they weren't more then smears on the pavement.",
">\n\nThe populace was broadly still on board with the war, even by then. The government had known it would be a losing war for years by the time the bombs were dropped and much of Japan was already ash. \nThe government saw the writing on the wall and finally faced reality. It wasn't popular backlash to the war that brought Japanese surrender.",
">\n\nIt actually wasn’t until the Soviet’s invaded Manchuria that Japan surrendered. The opening of a 2 front war accelerated japans decision to surrender.",
">\n\nIt was both, the bombing of Nagasaki and the Soviet invasion of Manchuria happened on the same day.",
">\n\nRussia is a terrorist nation, that cannot be denied.",
">\n\nUSA disagrees",
">\n\nHow so?",
">\n\nThe motion to assign sponsor of terrorism status to russia was silently shut down.\nAs The Hill wonderfully puts it - instead they're going for a half-baked PR stunt with no consequences",
">\n\nNot because they don’t agree with the classification in a descriptive sense, but rather more because classifying them this way, legally, has pretty dramatic implications that would fuck over a lot of their allies\nThey need a new classification that better suits the circumstances"
] |
>
Let me be perfectly clear: I am in no way defending them. Rather, I wish the creation of a new category that more accurately describes their crimes, such that it is more useful, and can be applied without concern that it will inadvertently break international trade in the process. I think the category should have selectable sub fields so that it is highly targeted, and may actually go further in its restrictions than the existing state sponsor of terror category, where those sub fields are selected (such as trade embargo with lethal interdiction if they attempt to escape, for example)
|
[
"Sitting in my cozy house now drinking my hot morning coffee while surfing the internet. Crazy how lucky I am just for being born in a different country. \nI respect the people of Ukraine so much for their spirit, and backing their country in this difficult times.",
">\n\nI just felt the same. I wish the Russian Army would just wake up, see what they have done and go home.",
">\n\nI hope this doesn’t come off wrong but I’m willing to bet there’s not one Russian soldier that wouldn’t go home if they could. \nAt this rate there won’t be anything to go back home to.",
">\n\nThis might be true for the conscripts, \nbut there seem to be a lot of Russians who have been successfully brainwashed during the last two decades and still believe that the war against Ukraine is the right thing.\nAnd mercenaries like Wagner and Patriot are in it for their own profit.",
">\n\nHave you heard about the stories of North Koreans and their most value possessions being Kim's photo on their wall? \nI don't think most of us know the difference between brainwashing and the fear of falling out of a building or accidentally having an icicle fall on your head.",
">\n\nI get your point and it is a complicated matter.\nWhether they are brainwashed, genuinely convinced that it's a justified and necessary war or fighting for their own interests - my point was that some Russian soldiers want to fight this war.\nI was responding to someone who suggested that every one of them would go home if they could.",
">\n\nWell of course some Russian but I won't group all Russians that way. The other side of the coin are regular folks lining up for the boot camp bus and that's likely the last time they'll see their wives and children again.",
">\n\nhistorically, bombing civilians has caused nations to buckle under\nwait hold on I'm being given some information\nOh\nSorry about that, historically, bombing civilians has caused nations to fight to the last breath",
">\n\nThere's about 200,000 Japanese civilians who would strongly disagree with you if they weren't more then smears on the pavement.",
">\n\nThe populace was broadly still on board with the war, even by then. The government had known it would be a losing war for years by the time the bombs were dropped and much of Japan was already ash. \nThe government saw the writing on the wall and finally faced reality. It wasn't popular backlash to the war that brought Japanese surrender.",
">\n\nIt actually wasn’t until the Soviet’s invaded Manchuria that Japan surrendered. The opening of a 2 front war accelerated japans decision to surrender.",
">\n\nIt was both, the bombing of Nagasaki and the Soviet invasion of Manchuria happened on the same day.",
">\n\nRussia is a terrorist nation, that cannot be denied.",
">\n\nUSA disagrees",
">\n\nHow so?",
">\n\nThe motion to assign sponsor of terrorism status to russia was silently shut down.\nAs The Hill wonderfully puts it - instead they're going for a half-baked PR stunt with no consequences",
">\n\nNot because they don’t agree with the classification in a descriptive sense, but rather more because classifying them this way, legally, has pretty dramatic implications that would fuck over a lot of their allies\nThey need a new classification that better suits the circumstances",
">\n\n\"Russian terrorists that have broke all agreements and probably have the highest victim count of all the entities on the SOT list need special treatment because reasons.\""
] |
>
So far the "agressor state" label is purely declarative.
And I would criticize your idea on the grounds that variability and discretionary punishment are breeding grounds for corruption and are a bureaucratic deadlock waiting to happen. If legislators were able to pick and choose which parts should apply to specific case, russian in our example, russian sympathizers, which are unfortiunately very present in US govt, would have much more power to make it easier on them.
The strength of law is it's clarity and uniformity. It should apply the same to all. An action should have clearly defined consequences with no option of escaping them, otherwise it only compels the criminals to take their chances.
|
[
"Sitting in my cozy house now drinking my hot morning coffee while surfing the internet. Crazy how lucky I am just for being born in a different country. \nI respect the people of Ukraine so much for their spirit, and backing their country in this difficult times.",
">\n\nI just felt the same. I wish the Russian Army would just wake up, see what they have done and go home.",
">\n\nI hope this doesn’t come off wrong but I’m willing to bet there’s not one Russian soldier that wouldn’t go home if they could. \nAt this rate there won’t be anything to go back home to.",
">\n\nThis might be true for the conscripts, \nbut there seem to be a lot of Russians who have been successfully brainwashed during the last two decades and still believe that the war against Ukraine is the right thing.\nAnd mercenaries like Wagner and Patriot are in it for their own profit.",
">\n\nHave you heard about the stories of North Koreans and their most value possessions being Kim's photo on their wall? \nI don't think most of us know the difference between brainwashing and the fear of falling out of a building or accidentally having an icicle fall on your head.",
">\n\nI get your point and it is a complicated matter.\nWhether they are brainwashed, genuinely convinced that it's a justified and necessary war or fighting for their own interests - my point was that some Russian soldiers want to fight this war.\nI was responding to someone who suggested that every one of them would go home if they could.",
">\n\nWell of course some Russian but I won't group all Russians that way. The other side of the coin are regular folks lining up for the boot camp bus and that's likely the last time they'll see their wives and children again.",
">\n\nhistorically, bombing civilians has caused nations to buckle under\nwait hold on I'm being given some information\nOh\nSorry about that, historically, bombing civilians has caused nations to fight to the last breath",
">\n\nThere's about 200,000 Japanese civilians who would strongly disagree with you if they weren't more then smears on the pavement.",
">\n\nThe populace was broadly still on board with the war, even by then. The government had known it would be a losing war for years by the time the bombs were dropped and much of Japan was already ash. \nThe government saw the writing on the wall and finally faced reality. It wasn't popular backlash to the war that brought Japanese surrender.",
">\n\nIt actually wasn’t until the Soviet’s invaded Manchuria that Japan surrendered. The opening of a 2 front war accelerated japans decision to surrender.",
">\n\nIt was both, the bombing of Nagasaki and the Soviet invasion of Manchuria happened on the same day.",
">\n\nRussia is a terrorist nation, that cannot be denied.",
">\n\nUSA disagrees",
">\n\nHow so?",
">\n\nThe motion to assign sponsor of terrorism status to russia was silently shut down.\nAs The Hill wonderfully puts it - instead they're going for a half-baked PR stunt with no consequences",
">\n\nNot because they don’t agree with the classification in a descriptive sense, but rather more because classifying them this way, legally, has pretty dramatic implications that would fuck over a lot of their allies\nThey need a new classification that better suits the circumstances",
">\n\n\"Russian terrorists that have broke all agreements and probably have the highest victim count of all the entities on the SOT list need special treatment because reasons.\"",
">\n\nLet me be perfectly clear: I am in no way defending them. Rather, I wish the creation of a new category that more accurately describes their crimes, such that it is more useful, and can be applied without concern that it will inadvertently break international trade in the process. I think the category should have selectable sub fields so that it is highly targeted, and may actually go further in its restrictions than the existing state sponsor of terror category, where those sub fields are selected (such as trade embargo with lethal interdiction if they attempt to escape, for example)"
] |
>
It's time to knock out Russia's power grid
|
[
"Sitting in my cozy house now drinking my hot morning coffee while surfing the internet. Crazy how lucky I am just for being born in a different country. \nI respect the people of Ukraine so much for their spirit, and backing their country in this difficult times.",
">\n\nI just felt the same. I wish the Russian Army would just wake up, see what they have done and go home.",
">\n\nI hope this doesn’t come off wrong but I’m willing to bet there’s not one Russian soldier that wouldn’t go home if they could. \nAt this rate there won’t be anything to go back home to.",
">\n\nThis might be true for the conscripts, \nbut there seem to be a lot of Russians who have been successfully brainwashed during the last two decades and still believe that the war against Ukraine is the right thing.\nAnd mercenaries like Wagner and Patriot are in it for their own profit.",
">\n\nHave you heard about the stories of North Koreans and their most value possessions being Kim's photo on their wall? \nI don't think most of us know the difference between brainwashing and the fear of falling out of a building or accidentally having an icicle fall on your head.",
">\n\nI get your point and it is a complicated matter.\nWhether they are brainwashed, genuinely convinced that it's a justified and necessary war or fighting for their own interests - my point was that some Russian soldiers want to fight this war.\nI was responding to someone who suggested that every one of them would go home if they could.",
">\n\nWell of course some Russian but I won't group all Russians that way. The other side of the coin are regular folks lining up for the boot camp bus and that's likely the last time they'll see their wives and children again.",
">\n\nhistorically, bombing civilians has caused nations to buckle under\nwait hold on I'm being given some information\nOh\nSorry about that, historically, bombing civilians has caused nations to fight to the last breath",
">\n\nThere's about 200,000 Japanese civilians who would strongly disagree with you if they weren't more then smears on the pavement.",
">\n\nThe populace was broadly still on board with the war, even by then. The government had known it would be a losing war for years by the time the bombs were dropped and much of Japan was already ash. \nThe government saw the writing on the wall and finally faced reality. It wasn't popular backlash to the war that brought Japanese surrender.",
">\n\nIt actually wasn’t until the Soviet’s invaded Manchuria that Japan surrendered. The opening of a 2 front war accelerated japans decision to surrender.",
">\n\nIt was both, the bombing of Nagasaki and the Soviet invasion of Manchuria happened on the same day.",
">\n\nRussia is a terrorist nation, that cannot be denied.",
">\n\nUSA disagrees",
">\n\nHow so?",
">\n\nThe motion to assign sponsor of terrorism status to russia was silently shut down.\nAs The Hill wonderfully puts it - instead they're going for a half-baked PR stunt with no consequences",
">\n\nNot because they don’t agree with the classification in a descriptive sense, but rather more because classifying them this way, legally, has pretty dramatic implications that would fuck over a lot of their allies\nThey need a new classification that better suits the circumstances",
">\n\n\"Russian terrorists that have broke all agreements and probably have the highest victim count of all the entities on the SOT list need special treatment because reasons.\"",
">\n\nLet me be perfectly clear: I am in no way defending them. Rather, I wish the creation of a new category that more accurately describes their crimes, such that it is more useful, and can be applied without concern that it will inadvertently break international trade in the process. I think the category should have selectable sub fields so that it is highly targeted, and may actually go further in its restrictions than the existing state sponsor of terror category, where those sub fields are selected (such as trade embargo with lethal interdiction if they attempt to escape, for example)",
">\n\nSo far the \"agressor state\" label is purely declarative.\nAnd I would criticize your idea on the grounds that variability and discretionary punishment are breeding grounds for corruption and are a bureaucratic deadlock waiting to happen. If legislators were able to pick and choose which parts should apply to specific case, russian in our example, russian sympathizers, which are unfortiunately very present in US govt, would have much more power to make it easier on them. \nThe strength of law is it's clarity and uniformity. It should apply the same to all. An action should have clearly defined consequences with no option of escaping them, otherwise it only compels the criminals to take their chances."
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>
It's time to give Ukraine ATACMS.
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[
"Sitting in my cozy house now drinking my hot morning coffee while surfing the internet. Crazy how lucky I am just for being born in a different country. \nI respect the people of Ukraine so much for their spirit, and backing their country in this difficult times.",
">\n\nI just felt the same. I wish the Russian Army would just wake up, see what they have done and go home.",
">\n\nI hope this doesn’t come off wrong but I’m willing to bet there’s not one Russian soldier that wouldn’t go home if they could. \nAt this rate there won’t be anything to go back home to.",
">\n\nThis might be true for the conscripts, \nbut there seem to be a lot of Russians who have been successfully brainwashed during the last two decades and still believe that the war against Ukraine is the right thing.\nAnd mercenaries like Wagner and Patriot are in it for their own profit.",
">\n\nHave you heard about the stories of North Koreans and their most value possessions being Kim's photo on their wall? \nI don't think most of us know the difference between brainwashing and the fear of falling out of a building or accidentally having an icicle fall on your head.",
">\n\nI get your point and it is a complicated matter.\nWhether they are brainwashed, genuinely convinced that it's a justified and necessary war or fighting for their own interests - my point was that some Russian soldiers want to fight this war.\nI was responding to someone who suggested that every one of them would go home if they could.",
">\n\nWell of course some Russian but I won't group all Russians that way. The other side of the coin are regular folks lining up for the boot camp bus and that's likely the last time they'll see their wives and children again.",
">\n\nhistorically, bombing civilians has caused nations to buckle under\nwait hold on I'm being given some information\nOh\nSorry about that, historically, bombing civilians has caused nations to fight to the last breath",
">\n\nThere's about 200,000 Japanese civilians who would strongly disagree with you if they weren't more then smears on the pavement.",
">\n\nThe populace was broadly still on board with the war, even by then. The government had known it would be a losing war for years by the time the bombs were dropped and much of Japan was already ash. \nThe government saw the writing on the wall and finally faced reality. It wasn't popular backlash to the war that brought Japanese surrender.",
">\n\nIt actually wasn’t until the Soviet’s invaded Manchuria that Japan surrendered. The opening of a 2 front war accelerated japans decision to surrender.",
">\n\nIt was both, the bombing of Nagasaki and the Soviet invasion of Manchuria happened on the same day.",
">\n\nRussia is a terrorist nation, that cannot be denied.",
">\n\nUSA disagrees",
">\n\nHow so?",
">\n\nThe motion to assign sponsor of terrorism status to russia was silently shut down.\nAs The Hill wonderfully puts it - instead they're going for a half-baked PR stunt with no consequences",
">\n\nNot because they don’t agree with the classification in a descriptive sense, but rather more because classifying them this way, legally, has pretty dramatic implications that would fuck over a lot of their allies\nThey need a new classification that better suits the circumstances",
">\n\n\"Russian terrorists that have broke all agreements and probably have the highest victim count of all the entities on the SOT list need special treatment because reasons.\"",
">\n\nLet me be perfectly clear: I am in no way defending them. Rather, I wish the creation of a new category that more accurately describes their crimes, such that it is more useful, and can be applied without concern that it will inadvertently break international trade in the process. I think the category should have selectable sub fields so that it is highly targeted, and may actually go further in its restrictions than the existing state sponsor of terror category, where those sub fields are selected (such as trade embargo with lethal interdiction if they attempt to escape, for example)",
">\n\nSo far the \"agressor state\" label is purely declarative.\nAnd I would criticize your idea on the grounds that variability and discretionary punishment are breeding grounds for corruption and are a bureaucratic deadlock waiting to happen. If legislators were able to pick and choose which parts should apply to specific case, russian in our example, russian sympathizers, which are unfortiunately very present in US govt, would have much more power to make it easier on them. \nThe strength of law is it's clarity and uniformity. It should apply the same to all. An action should have clearly defined consequences with no option of escaping them, otherwise it only compels the criminals to take their chances.",
">\n\nIt's time to knock out Russia's power grid"
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Yes. Please, pressure your Govts for US to give us ATACMS and tanks, very much needed and long overdue.
|
[
"Sitting in my cozy house now drinking my hot morning coffee while surfing the internet. Crazy how lucky I am just for being born in a different country. \nI respect the people of Ukraine so much for their spirit, and backing their country in this difficult times.",
">\n\nI just felt the same. I wish the Russian Army would just wake up, see what they have done and go home.",
">\n\nI hope this doesn’t come off wrong but I’m willing to bet there’s not one Russian soldier that wouldn’t go home if they could. \nAt this rate there won’t be anything to go back home to.",
">\n\nThis might be true for the conscripts, \nbut there seem to be a lot of Russians who have been successfully brainwashed during the last two decades and still believe that the war against Ukraine is the right thing.\nAnd mercenaries like Wagner and Patriot are in it for their own profit.",
">\n\nHave you heard about the stories of North Koreans and their most value possessions being Kim's photo on their wall? \nI don't think most of us know the difference between brainwashing and the fear of falling out of a building or accidentally having an icicle fall on your head.",
">\n\nI get your point and it is a complicated matter.\nWhether they are brainwashed, genuinely convinced that it's a justified and necessary war or fighting for their own interests - my point was that some Russian soldiers want to fight this war.\nI was responding to someone who suggested that every one of them would go home if they could.",
">\n\nWell of course some Russian but I won't group all Russians that way. The other side of the coin are regular folks lining up for the boot camp bus and that's likely the last time they'll see their wives and children again.",
">\n\nhistorically, bombing civilians has caused nations to buckle under\nwait hold on I'm being given some information\nOh\nSorry about that, historically, bombing civilians has caused nations to fight to the last breath",
">\n\nThere's about 200,000 Japanese civilians who would strongly disagree with you if they weren't more then smears on the pavement.",
">\n\nThe populace was broadly still on board with the war, even by then. The government had known it would be a losing war for years by the time the bombs were dropped and much of Japan was already ash. \nThe government saw the writing on the wall and finally faced reality. It wasn't popular backlash to the war that brought Japanese surrender.",
">\n\nIt actually wasn’t until the Soviet’s invaded Manchuria that Japan surrendered. The opening of a 2 front war accelerated japans decision to surrender.",
">\n\nIt was both, the bombing of Nagasaki and the Soviet invasion of Manchuria happened on the same day.",
">\n\nRussia is a terrorist nation, that cannot be denied.",
">\n\nUSA disagrees",
">\n\nHow so?",
">\n\nThe motion to assign sponsor of terrorism status to russia was silently shut down.\nAs The Hill wonderfully puts it - instead they're going for a half-baked PR stunt with no consequences",
">\n\nNot because they don’t agree with the classification in a descriptive sense, but rather more because classifying them this way, legally, has pretty dramatic implications that would fuck over a lot of their allies\nThey need a new classification that better suits the circumstances",
">\n\n\"Russian terrorists that have broke all agreements and probably have the highest victim count of all the entities on the SOT list need special treatment because reasons.\"",
">\n\nLet me be perfectly clear: I am in no way defending them. Rather, I wish the creation of a new category that more accurately describes their crimes, such that it is more useful, and can be applied without concern that it will inadvertently break international trade in the process. I think the category should have selectable sub fields so that it is highly targeted, and may actually go further in its restrictions than the existing state sponsor of terror category, where those sub fields are selected (such as trade embargo with lethal interdiction if they attempt to escape, for example)",
">\n\nSo far the \"agressor state\" label is purely declarative.\nAnd I would criticize your idea on the grounds that variability and discretionary punishment are breeding grounds for corruption and are a bureaucratic deadlock waiting to happen. If legislators were able to pick and choose which parts should apply to specific case, russian in our example, russian sympathizers, which are unfortiunately very present in US govt, would have much more power to make it easier on them. \nThe strength of law is it's clarity and uniformity. It should apply the same to all. An action should have clearly defined consequences with no option of escaping them, otherwise it only compels the criminals to take their chances.",
">\n\nIt's time to knock out Russia's power grid",
">\n\nIt's time to give Ukraine ATACMS."
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Maybe a silly question: how are rockets able to hit a super-western city like Lviv? Don't they have to travel over most/all of Ukraine? It's so close to NATO countries as well
|
[
"Sitting in my cozy house now drinking my hot morning coffee while surfing the internet. Crazy how lucky I am just for being born in a different country. \nI respect the people of Ukraine so much for their spirit, and backing their country in this difficult times.",
">\n\nI just felt the same. I wish the Russian Army would just wake up, see what they have done and go home.",
">\n\nI hope this doesn’t come off wrong but I’m willing to bet there’s not one Russian soldier that wouldn’t go home if they could. \nAt this rate there won’t be anything to go back home to.",
">\n\nThis might be true for the conscripts, \nbut there seem to be a lot of Russians who have been successfully brainwashed during the last two decades and still believe that the war against Ukraine is the right thing.\nAnd mercenaries like Wagner and Patriot are in it for their own profit.",
">\n\nHave you heard about the stories of North Koreans and their most value possessions being Kim's photo on their wall? \nI don't think most of us know the difference between brainwashing and the fear of falling out of a building or accidentally having an icicle fall on your head.",
">\n\nI get your point and it is a complicated matter.\nWhether they are brainwashed, genuinely convinced that it's a justified and necessary war or fighting for their own interests - my point was that some Russian soldiers want to fight this war.\nI was responding to someone who suggested that every one of them would go home if they could.",
">\n\nWell of course some Russian but I won't group all Russians that way. The other side of the coin are regular folks lining up for the boot camp bus and that's likely the last time they'll see their wives and children again.",
">\n\nhistorically, bombing civilians has caused nations to buckle under\nwait hold on I'm being given some information\nOh\nSorry about that, historically, bombing civilians has caused nations to fight to the last breath",
">\n\nThere's about 200,000 Japanese civilians who would strongly disagree with you if they weren't more then smears on the pavement.",
">\n\nThe populace was broadly still on board with the war, even by then. The government had known it would be a losing war for years by the time the bombs were dropped and much of Japan was already ash. \nThe government saw the writing on the wall and finally faced reality. It wasn't popular backlash to the war that brought Japanese surrender.",
">\n\nIt actually wasn’t until the Soviet’s invaded Manchuria that Japan surrendered. The opening of a 2 front war accelerated japans decision to surrender.",
">\n\nIt was both, the bombing of Nagasaki and the Soviet invasion of Manchuria happened on the same day.",
">\n\nRussia is a terrorist nation, that cannot be denied.",
">\n\nUSA disagrees",
">\n\nHow so?",
">\n\nThe motion to assign sponsor of terrorism status to russia was silently shut down.\nAs The Hill wonderfully puts it - instead they're going for a half-baked PR stunt with no consequences",
">\n\nNot because they don’t agree with the classification in a descriptive sense, but rather more because classifying them this way, legally, has pretty dramatic implications that would fuck over a lot of their allies\nThey need a new classification that better suits the circumstances",
">\n\n\"Russian terrorists that have broke all agreements and probably have the highest victim count of all the entities on the SOT list need special treatment because reasons.\"",
">\n\nLet me be perfectly clear: I am in no way defending them. Rather, I wish the creation of a new category that more accurately describes their crimes, such that it is more useful, and can be applied without concern that it will inadvertently break international trade in the process. I think the category should have selectable sub fields so that it is highly targeted, and may actually go further in its restrictions than the existing state sponsor of terror category, where those sub fields are selected (such as trade embargo with lethal interdiction if they attempt to escape, for example)",
">\n\nSo far the \"agressor state\" label is purely declarative.\nAnd I would criticize your idea on the grounds that variability and discretionary punishment are breeding grounds for corruption and are a bureaucratic deadlock waiting to happen. If legislators were able to pick and choose which parts should apply to specific case, russian in our example, russian sympathizers, which are unfortiunately very present in US govt, would have much more power to make it easier on them. \nThe strength of law is it's clarity and uniformity. It should apply the same to all. An action should have clearly defined consequences with no option of escaping them, otherwise it only compels the criminals to take their chances.",
">\n\nIt's time to knock out Russia's power grid",
">\n\nIt's time to give Ukraine ATACMS.",
">\n\nYes. Please, pressure your Govts for US to give us ATACMS and tanks, very much needed and long overdue."
] |
>
They are most likely hit with missiles/drones launched from the Black Sea, Crimea, and/or Belarus, so they don't have to travel as far as you think, and the fact that they can approach from several different directions makes them more challenging to stop.
|
[
"Sitting in my cozy house now drinking my hot morning coffee while surfing the internet. Crazy how lucky I am just for being born in a different country. \nI respect the people of Ukraine so much for their spirit, and backing their country in this difficult times.",
">\n\nI just felt the same. I wish the Russian Army would just wake up, see what they have done and go home.",
">\n\nI hope this doesn’t come off wrong but I’m willing to bet there’s not one Russian soldier that wouldn’t go home if they could. \nAt this rate there won’t be anything to go back home to.",
">\n\nThis might be true for the conscripts, \nbut there seem to be a lot of Russians who have been successfully brainwashed during the last two decades and still believe that the war against Ukraine is the right thing.\nAnd mercenaries like Wagner and Patriot are in it for their own profit.",
">\n\nHave you heard about the stories of North Koreans and their most value possessions being Kim's photo on their wall? \nI don't think most of us know the difference between brainwashing and the fear of falling out of a building or accidentally having an icicle fall on your head.",
">\n\nI get your point and it is a complicated matter.\nWhether they are brainwashed, genuinely convinced that it's a justified and necessary war or fighting for their own interests - my point was that some Russian soldiers want to fight this war.\nI was responding to someone who suggested that every one of them would go home if they could.",
">\n\nWell of course some Russian but I won't group all Russians that way. The other side of the coin are regular folks lining up for the boot camp bus and that's likely the last time they'll see their wives and children again.",
">\n\nhistorically, bombing civilians has caused nations to buckle under\nwait hold on I'm being given some information\nOh\nSorry about that, historically, bombing civilians has caused nations to fight to the last breath",
">\n\nThere's about 200,000 Japanese civilians who would strongly disagree with you if they weren't more then smears on the pavement.",
">\n\nThe populace was broadly still on board with the war, even by then. The government had known it would be a losing war for years by the time the bombs were dropped and much of Japan was already ash. \nThe government saw the writing on the wall and finally faced reality. It wasn't popular backlash to the war that brought Japanese surrender.",
">\n\nIt actually wasn’t until the Soviet’s invaded Manchuria that Japan surrendered. The opening of a 2 front war accelerated japans decision to surrender.",
">\n\nIt was both, the bombing of Nagasaki and the Soviet invasion of Manchuria happened on the same day.",
">\n\nRussia is a terrorist nation, that cannot be denied.",
">\n\nUSA disagrees",
">\n\nHow so?",
">\n\nThe motion to assign sponsor of terrorism status to russia was silently shut down.\nAs The Hill wonderfully puts it - instead they're going for a half-baked PR stunt with no consequences",
">\n\nNot because they don’t agree with the classification in a descriptive sense, but rather more because classifying them this way, legally, has pretty dramatic implications that would fuck over a lot of their allies\nThey need a new classification that better suits the circumstances",
">\n\n\"Russian terrorists that have broke all agreements and probably have the highest victim count of all the entities on the SOT list need special treatment because reasons.\"",
">\n\nLet me be perfectly clear: I am in no way defending them. Rather, I wish the creation of a new category that more accurately describes their crimes, such that it is more useful, and can be applied without concern that it will inadvertently break international trade in the process. I think the category should have selectable sub fields so that it is highly targeted, and may actually go further in its restrictions than the existing state sponsor of terror category, where those sub fields are selected (such as trade embargo with lethal interdiction if they attempt to escape, for example)",
">\n\nSo far the \"agressor state\" label is purely declarative.\nAnd I would criticize your idea on the grounds that variability and discretionary punishment are breeding grounds for corruption and are a bureaucratic deadlock waiting to happen. If legislators were able to pick and choose which parts should apply to specific case, russian in our example, russian sympathizers, which are unfortiunately very present in US govt, would have much more power to make it easier on them. \nThe strength of law is it's clarity and uniformity. It should apply the same to all. An action should have clearly defined consequences with no option of escaping them, otherwise it only compels the criminals to take their chances.",
">\n\nIt's time to knock out Russia's power grid",
">\n\nIt's time to give Ukraine ATACMS.",
">\n\nYes. Please, pressure your Govts for US to give us ATACMS and tanks, very much needed and long overdue.",
">\n\nMaybe a silly question: how are rockets able to hit a super-western city like Lviv? Don't they have to travel over most/all of Ukraine? It's so close to NATO countries as well"
] |
>
Biden: puts on sunglasses fuck it airlift 10million Honda generators into Ukraine
|
[
"Sitting in my cozy house now drinking my hot morning coffee while surfing the internet. Crazy how lucky I am just for being born in a different country. \nI respect the people of Ukraine so much for their spirit, and backing their country in this difficult times.",
">\n\nI just felt the same. I wish the Russian Army would just wake up, see what they have done and go home.",
">\n\nI hope this doesn’t come off wrong but I’m willing to bet there’s not one Russian soldier that wouldn’t go home if they could. \nAt this rate there won’t be anything to go back home to.",
">\n\nThis might be true for the conscripts, \nbut there seem to be a lot of Russians who have been successfully brainwashed during the last two decades and still believe that the war against Ukraine is the right thing.\nAnd mercenaries like Wagner and Patriot are in it for their own profit.",
">\n\nHave you heard about the stories of North Koreans and their most value possessions being Kim's photo on their wall? \nI don't think most of us know the difference between brainwashing and the fear of falling out of a building or accidentally having an icicle fall on your head.",
">\n\nI get your point and it is a complicated matter.\nWhether they are brainwashed, genuinely convinced that it's a justified and necessary war or fighting for their own interests - my point was that some Russian soldiers want to fight this war.\nI was responding to someone who suggested that every one of them would go home if they could.",
">\n\nWell of course some Russian but I won't group all Russians that way. The other side of the coin are regular folks lining up for the boot camp bus and that's likely the last time they'll see their wives and children again.",
">\n\nhistorically, bombing civilians has caused nations to buckle under\nwait hold on I'm being given some information\nOh\nSorry about that, historically, bombing civilians has caused nations to fight to the last breath",
">\n\nThere's about 200,000 Japanese civilians who would strongly disagree with you if they weren't more then smears on the pavement.",
">\n\nThe populace was broadly still on board with the war, even by then. The government had known it would be a losing war for years by the time the bombs were dropped and much of Japan was already ash. \nThe government saw the writing on the wall and finally faced reality. It wasn't popular backlash to the war that brought Japanese surrender.",
">\n\nIt actually wasn’t until the Soviet’s invaded Manchuria that Japan surrendered. The opening of a 2 front war accelerated japans decision to surrender.",
">\n\nIt was both, the bombing of Nagasaki and the Soviet invasion of Manchuria happened on the same day.",
">\n\nRussia is a terrorist nation, that cannot be denied.",
">\n\nUSA disagrees",
">\n\nHow so?",
">\n\nThe motion to assign sponsor of terrorism status to russia was silently shut down.\nAs The Hill wonderfully puts it - instead they're going for a half-baked PR stunt with no consequences",
">\n\nNot because they don’t agree with the classification in a descriptive sense, but rather more because classifying them this way, legally, has pretty dramatic implications that would fuck over a lot of their allies\nThey need a new classification that better suits the circumstances",
">\n\n\"Russian terrorists that have broke all agreements and probably have the highest victim count of all the entities on the SOT list need special treatment because reasons.\"",
">\n\nLet me be perfectly clear: I am in no way defending them. Rather, I wish the creation of a new category that more accurately describes their crimes, such that it is more useful, and can be applied without concern that it will inadvertently break international trade in the process. I think the category should have selectable sub fields so that it is highly targeted, and may actually go further in its restrictions than the existing state sponsor of terror category, where those sub fields are selected (such as trade embargo with lethal interdiction if they attempt to escape, for example)",
">\n\nSo far the \"agressor state\" label is purely declarative.\nAnd I would criticize your idea on the grounds that variability and discretionary punishment are breeding grounds for corruption and are a bureaucratic deadlock waiting to happen. If legislators were able to pick and choose which parts should apply to specific case, russian in our example, russian sympathizers, which are unfortiunately very present in US govt, would have much more power to make it easier on them. \nThe strength of law is it's clarity and uniformity. It should apply the same to all. An action should have clearly defined consequences with no option of escaping them, otherwise it only compels the criminals to take their chances.",
">\n\nIt's time to knock out Russia's power grid",
">\n\nIt's time to give Ukraine ATACMS.",
">\n\nYes. Please, pressure your Govts for US to give us ATACMS and tanks, very much needed and long overdue.",
">\n\nMaybe a silly question: how are rockets able to hit a super-western city like Lviv? Don't they have to travel over most/all of Ukraine? It's so close to NATO countries as well",
">\n\nThey are most likely hit with missiles/drones launched from the Black Sea, Crimea, and/or Belarus, so they don't have to travel as far as you think, and the fact that they can approach from several different directions makes them more challenging to stop."
] |
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