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The snow was so bad, people got stuck on the road. For over 24 hours there were NO emergency services available because ALL their vehicles were stuck. People froze to death or died from carbon monoxide b/c they ran their motors for heat.
We has sustained 75mph winds on Friday that immediately knock power out, and heat for those without gas. Water pipes broke. Fires. People became disoriented walking & just fell over & died. The snow was heavy, so shoveling caused heart attacks.
No one could prepare us for this. I have lived in the Buffalo area for 54 years. I have seen storms, but not like this.
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"31 deaths is crazy… stay safe out there!",
">\n\nI'm in Ohio and had to be the bad guy to my in-laws by saying we weren't coming to Christmas Eve, then they called the next day and said it took them an hour to drive 10 minutes home from the dinner we skipped and how dangerous it was. \nSome people gotta touch an oven to see if it's hot when you tell them ¯\\ಠಠ_/¯",
">\n\nAlso in Ohio. Called out of work the day of the storm even though it was only a 15 min drive away. Roads were still not cleared fully 2 days later.",
">\n\nI called out on Friday, I do not like my job enough to risk my life for it, especially during the holiday rush.",
">\n\nDon't get me wrong. My job is great and it pays well. But money is money and it'll cost a lot more for my loved ones to arrange my funeral than it would for me to miss a day of work.",
">\n\nI’m in BC where we got hit pretty bad last week, and my ethos was, “I get paid less in a day than my car insurance deductible costs”",
">\n\nHaha I’m gonna remember this",
">\n\nEmergency services were turned off for 2 days during the storm. The city was completely inaccessible so if you get into an accident you're on your own. My street (a main street in the heart of the west side) had a snow drift as high a stoplight blocking all access. Down the way was an abandoned semitruck blocking the entire road as well as other abandoned cars sprinkled across the landscape completely buried in snow. Trees fallen everywhere too. The whole city was like this.\nI knew it was going to be bad but this one was BAD",
">\n\nYou’ve been hit hard twice and it’s only December. Do you think about moving? Just curious. I live in Maine but come from Rochester NY and I don’t think I could deal with that level of disaster anymore.",
">\n\nGrew up in Rochester as well, moved to Southern Louisiana to get away from the snow. In the 90's I got cuaght several times on the stretch of 90 between Buffalo and Erie and wasn't sure I'd make it home. The snow through there is crazy, I would just follow a semi at a distance and if he went off the road I knew to stop.",
">\n\ndriving around with Semi-traction can be a bit dangerous sometimes.",
">\n\nIf they've got a full load they do better than cars and have more experienced drivers so I follow them too. But with an empty trailer they're screwed in high winds. I was thinking of passing one in Chicago snowstorm but the back drifted just a bit so I slowed down and kept back. Sure enough a few minutes later a gust caught him and the trailer swung across a couple lanes and almost jackknifed. Driver did a great job of getting it straightened back out so kudos to him! That was a long ass stressful drive back home though. I was exhausted.",
">\n\nThis is why people would rush to the store to buy up things like eggs, bread, milk, butter, TP, paper towels, etc... Sure people always panic when it's just a little snow but overall, these types of storms are why.",
">\n\nAlso why it's good to have some canned/dried goods. I keep about 4-5 days worth of soups, canned goods, rice, ramen, clean it out every once in a while if it doesn't get used. It's not costly either, that stuff is fairly cheap. \nBut man, this is pretty crazy. I think the most I've ever been trapped (no driving ban, just felt safe to leave) was 3 days in 2010 for \"Snowmaggedon\", these poor folks are almost going on a week.",
">\n\nYou keep 4-5 days worth?... I feel like I may be a hoarder if 4-5 days is considered a good amount.",
">\n\n4-5 days worth of food is nothing. I live in Louisiana and that’s the bare minimum in my opinion.",
">\n\nI'm pretty sure we have a month's worth of food all combined. Lots of dried beans and rice too. For me, it's to be prepared, and because of the poverty I've experienced, where all my food was from the food bank.",
">\n\nThat's very smart. Dried beans and rice are heaven when you have ZERO access. People don't understand that. it's not about what you want to eat in a disaster, its about eating high caloric/protein meals and staying adequately 'full', or, at the very least, having enough food to have some energy output.",
">\n\nAnother thing is maintaining a more positive mental state. When you don't meet the daily nutritive threshold it can mess with your head. Bad thought loops are the last thing you need in a natural disaster.",
">\n\nThis is 100 why I keep 'mental health food' in my pantry. A chocolate bar. Liquid IVs. Canned fruit. Stuff I know will boost me when I'm low. It helped so much during Ida.",
">\n\nEvery business that stayed open and didn't give their employees the option to stay home should be prosecuted. These people would t have been out in this if it wasn't for fear of losing their jobs. It's disgusting.",
">\n\nToo bad our elected officials don't represent their constituents' interests. Or rather they consider the businesses their constuents, rather than the voters.",
">\n\n\nOr rather they consider the businesses their constituents, rather than the voters.\n\nConservatives make no secret at all about this, and their voters are very straightforward about valuing business owners over regular people.",
">\n\nIt's not just conservatives, sadly. Both parties represent corporations over human beings.",
">\n\nTrue, but conservatives have turned the \"small business owner\" into an identity that they leverage against anybody who might need any sort of govt protections; the narrative is always that JimBob's Tire Emporium will go under if he has to pay over $8/hour or offer insurance. They all see themselves as JimBob. It's a really good trick.\nDems are for sure corrupt and support a lot of corporate agenda items but they campaign on individual wage and debt issues and do actually pass legislation. They're less psychopathic.",
">\n\nAnd yet conservative's talk about small business that way, but vote every damn time to make sure that larger companies get advantages - and those small businesses fail.",
">\n\nSo do Dems. Follow the money, both parties are propped up by the foulest industries and that isn't even considering dark money and super PACS.",
">\n\nI do, but I also look at the voting records. We need to get more people to run under \"Working Families\"that arent just \"better than the worse\" of the democrats.",
">\n\nLowes doesn't care. Still forcing employees to come in",
">\n\nI recently learned from a former Lowe’s employee that they have some sort of agreement with the government to be considered essential so that people and emergency services can get generators and equipment from them",
">\n\njesus, that's a lot of fucking snow \nlooking at that i'm having a mild ptsd from the four straight days of shoveling/blowing last week here in northern WI",
">\n\nHi fellow Northwoods resident!\nThe blow snow is the worst part. Stupid snow drifts. \nAlthough. My subdivision went from an open field to a street full of houses this summer. So the drifting is down considerably.",
">\n\nWyoming enters the chat Someone talking about snowdrifts? The jackalopes have it tough this year.",
">\n\nJesus I saw that Cheyenne dropped 32 degrees in temp in 10 minutes. That is seriously insane weather.",
">\n\nIt was awesome! \nDay after tomorrow quotes for a week! \nWe never lost power so it was a win. What's funny is that it was around 25 this morning. Still wearing short sleeve shirts after the last frost. It was crazy! Hope y'all are safe.",
">\n\nOne wonders if there is a list of missing people and if so, how long the list is",
">\n\nI saw a fucked up video of people coming across someone frozen on the ground.",
">\n\nThat's cold asf",
">\n\nYeah both what they were saying and acting and the fact the person froze to death.",
">\n\nI once slept outside in 5 to 10 degree weather, I hope all the homeless got somewhere warm.",
">\n\n\"Poloncarz, a Democrat, called the blizzard \"the worst storm probably in our lifetime,\" even for an area known for heavy snow. More bodies are expected to be found as the snow is cleared or melts.\" \nWtf does their political affiliation have to do with anything? \n\"Jeff here, who loves cheese, was devastated when his wife was unable to be rescued from her car\".",
">\n\nPeople need to know if they should agree or disagree with the statement about the storm.",
">\n\nWhat?!? He’s a democrat? \nThat’s all I needed to hear to know that this definitely was NOT the worst storm in the city’s history, typical democrat fear mongering.\nTheres no more bodies to find, but I’m sure the democrats will claim they found more bodies just to justify more government spending. They’ll be counting people that died 3 weeks ago as storm deaths. They count bodies the same way they count votes for Biden. LGB!!\n/s",
">\n\nRemenber: whatever out there isn't worth your life",
">\n\nWell said, just chill at your home safely till the storm reduces",
">\n\nMany houses do not have power and people are trying to get to the safety of a community shelter.",
">\n\nThis is true as well",
">\n\nI’m in buffalo we had no power for 74 hours and needed gas to run a generator to stay warm, to survive you have to make choices. There wasn’t even 911 services for the entire city for days.",
">\n\nIt's insane to me they announced no emergency services. It was like 48 hours. All the bodegas near me on the west side got robbed, pretty crazy.",
">\n\nIt is insane, and public services have to warn people and risk the looting. The government is a construct that's a failure when its needed lately. It's not going to get any better either...",
">\n\nThis is not the time to play on the roads, so stay off them",
">\n\nKind of hard to do that if you live in your car.",
">\n\nmy hometown 💔 my sister is still snowed in and had to walk to wegmans to try and get supplies. i really wish i could help",
">\n\nDoesn't help homeless people who have no choice.",
">\n\nMeanwhile, Starbucks etc. demanding to know why employees aren't clocked in",
">\n\nI happened to have my plans messed up from the weather, so I was chillin solo on Xmas. I couldn’t believe my local Starbucks was open. Give em a day, Jeaz! No one is missing Starbucks that day.",
">\n\nRight?\nI mean, it's one thing to be open on a holiday in a busy travel area, especially if you have staff who celebrate other holidays -- but floods, shootings, blizzards, holidays (where it's not necessary or at not busy stores). Pretty sure there is something in the \"How to Be Corporate\" manual that demands stores be open in the most ridiculous situations without exception; in fact, that more ridiculous the more critical it is for the store to be fully staffed :/",
">\n\nFor the people looking in from outside the area, the people of WNY take pride in being able to survive storms with minimal disruption. And remember that we just got thru a monumental storm just before thanksgiving. But unless you are at least 55 yrs old you can’t really remember conditions like those of last week. It was on a whole different level and all the local weatherman warnings about it’s impending severity couldn’t convince a large number of the population. The fact that they hype up a normal lake effect snow storm every 10 days may have played a small part in people disregarding the warnings but that’s a whole other conversation.",
">\n\nThe size of the Low and the massive pressure gradient between it and the cold high behind it was absolutely nuts.",
">\n\n\"but you're still coming in for your shift, right?\" - management",
">\n\nThese managers and store owners should be prosecuted and go to jail.",
">\n\nI'm looking forward to the several lawsuits from employees over their bosses making them show up to work.",
">\n\nThe people at those jobs don't have the means to sue. And if they do the company will stretch it out requiring court appearances but the employee doesn't have that many sick and vacation days so they either show up and lose their job or give up. People can't go that long without work to fight back against the evil bastards. The only chance is a large class action or if the business gets enough bad publicity that they settle.",
">\n\nSo did folks stock up on supplies before this thing hit? If you can't drive you can't get to the grocery store or pharmacy.",
">\n\nThis is why they say you should have 2 weeks worth of non-perishable food at home at all times. Even if it's just soup or pasta. Because there will come a time when you're stuck for several days and everything is shut down. I know it sucks because so many are living paycheck to paycheck, but it's important to have that little stash of food (and medicine).",
">\n\nExactly. Everyone should have an emergency kit.",
">\n\nYou know how bad it is after you learn Buffalo is a place that is no stranger to snow, cold snaps and blizzards.",
">\n\nMy mum couldn’t understand why there have been so many deaths and as someone who’s only been following the situation from a distance I couldn’t really give her a confident answer. Are people dying from being caught in the blizzard outside? Are they trapped inside with no heating or supplies and succumbing to the cold? Is it primarily elderly people? Was this storm foreseen and were people warned to be prepared?"
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We have gas heat but it’s forced air so no power= no heat. (Luckily we only had power flicker a few times- houses down the street lost power).
I said elsewhere- I’ve never been in a situation where we were told “no emergency services- you’re on your own”. Maybe it happened in ‘77 but I was 5 then and I honestly don’t remember the storm.
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"31 deaths is crazy… stay safe out there!",
">\n\nI'm in Ohio and had to be the bad guy to my in-laws by saying we weren't coming to Christmas Eve, then they called the next day and said it took them an hour to drive 10 minutes home from the dinner we skipped and how dangerous it was. \nSome people gotta touch an oven to see if it's hot when you tell them ¯\\ಠಠ_/¯",
">\n\nAlso in Ohio. Called out of work the day of the storm even though it was only a 15 min drive away. Roads were still not cleared fully 2 days later.",
">\n\nI called out on Friday, I do not like my job enough to risk my life for it, especially during the holiday rush.",
">\n\nDon't get me wrong. My job is great and it pays well. But money is money and it'll cost a lot more for my loved ones to arrange my funeral than it would for me to miss a day of work.",
">\n\nI’m in BC where we got hit pretty bad last week, and my ethos was, “I get paid less in a day than my car insurance deductible costs”",
">\n\nHaha I’m gonna remember this",
">\n\nEmergency services were turned off for 2 days during the storm. The city was completely inaccessible so if you get into an accident you're on your own. My street (a main street in the heart of the west side) had a snow drift as high a stoplight blocking all access. Down the way was an abandoned semitruck blocking the entire road as well as other abandoned cars sprinkled across the landscape completely buried in snow. Trees fallen everywhere too. The whole city was like this.\nI knew it was going to be bad but this one was BAD",
">\n\nYou’ve been hit hard twice and it’s only December. Do you think about moving? Just curious. I live in Maine but come from Rochester NY and I don’t think I could deal with that level of disaster anymore.",
">\n\nGrew up in Rochester as well, moved to Southern Louisiana to get away from the snow. In the 90's I got cuaght several times on the stretch of 90 between Buffalo and Erie and wasn't sure I'd make it home. The snow through there is crazy, I would just follow a semi at a distance and if he went off the road I knew to stop.",
">\n\ndriving around with Semi-traction can be a bit dangerous sometimes.",
">\n\nIf they've got a full load they do better than cars and have more experienced drivers so I follow them too. But with an empty trailer they're screwed in high winds. I was thinking of passing one in Chicago snowstorm but the back drifted just a bit so I slowed down and kept back. Sure enough a few minutes later a gust caught him and the trailer swung across a couple lanes and almost jackknifed. Driver did a great job of getting it straightened back out so kudos to him! That was a long ass stressful drive back home though. I was exhausted.",
">\n\nThis is why people would rush to the store to buy up things like eggs, bread, milk, butter, TP, paper towels, etc... Sure people always panic when it's just a little snow but overall, these types of storms are why.",
">\n\nAlso why it's good to have some canned/dried goods. I keep about 4-5 days worth of soups, canned goods, rice, ramen, clean it out every once in a while if it doesn't get used. It's not costly either, that stuff is fairly cheap. \nBut man, this is pretty crazy. I think the most I've ever been trapped (no driving ban, just felt safe to leave) was 3 days in 2010 for \"Snowmaggedon\", these poor folks are almost going on a week.",
">\n\nYou keep 4-5 days worth?... I feel like I may be a hoarder if 4-5 days is considered a good amount.",
">\n\n4-5 days worth of food is nothing. I live in Louisiana and that’s the bare minimum in my opinion.",
">\n\nI'm pretty sure we have a month's worth of food all combined. Lots of dried beans and rice too. For me, it's to be prepared, and because of the poverty I've experienced, where all my food was from the food bank.",
">\n\nThat's very smart. Dried beans and rice are heaven when you have ZERO access. People don't understand that. it's not about what you want to eat in a disaster, its about eating high caloric/protein meals and staying adequately 'full', or, at the very least, having enough food to have some energy output.",
">\n\nAnother thing is maintaining a more positive mental state. When you don't meet the daily nutritive threshold it can mess with your head. Bad thought loops are the last thing you need in a natural disaster.",
">\n\nThis is 100 why I keep 'mental health food' in my pantry. A chocolate bar. Liquid IVs. Canned fruit. Stuff I know will boost me when I'm low. It helped so much during Ida.",
">\n\nEvery business that stayed open and didn't give their employees the option to stay home should be prosecuted. These people would t have been out in this if it wasn't for fear of losing their jobs. It's disgusting.",
">\n\nToo bad our elected officials don't represent their constituents' interests. Or rather they consider the businesses their constuents, rather than the voters.",
">\n\n\nOr rather they consider the businesses their constituents, rather than the voters.\n\nConservatives make no secret at all about this, and their voters are very straightforward about valuing business owners over regular people.",
">\n\nIt's not just conservatives, sadly. Both parties represent corporations over human beings.",
">\n\nTrue, but conservatives have turned the \"small business owner\" into an identity that they leverage against anybody who might need any sort of govt protections; the narrative is always that JimBob's Tire Emporium will go under if he has to pay over $8/hour or offer insurance. They all see themselves as JimBob. It's a really good trick.\nDems are for sure corrupt and support a lot of corporate agenda items but they campaign on individual wage and debt issues and do actually pass legislation. They're less psychopathic.",
">\n\nAnd yet conservative's talk about small business that way, but vote every damn time to make sure that larger companies get advantages - and those small businesses fail.",
">\n\nSo do Dems. Follow the money, both parties are propped up by the foulest industries and that isn't even considering dark money and super PACS.",
">\n\nI do, but I also look at the voting records. We need to get more people to run under \"Working Families\"that arent just \"better than the worse\" of the democrats.",
">\n\nLowes doesn't care. Still forcing employees to come in",
">\n\nI recently learned from a former Lowe’s employee that they have some sort of agreement with the government to be considered essential so that people and emergency services can get generators and equipment from them",
">\n\njesus, that's a lot of fucking snow \nlooking at that i'm having a mild ptsd from the four straight days of shoveling/blowing last week here in northern WI",
">\n\nHi fellow Northwoods resident!\nThe blow snow is the worst part. Stupid snow drifts. \nAlthough. My subdivision went from an open field to a street full of houses this summer. So the drifting is down considerably.",
">\n\nWyoming enters the chat Someone talking about snowdrifts? The jackalopes have it tough this year.",
">\n\nJesus I saw that Cheyenne dropped 32 degrees in temp in 10 minutes. That is seriously insane weather.",
">\n\nIt was awesome! \nDay after tomorrow quotes for a week! \nWe never lost power so it was a win. What's funny is that it was around 25 this morning. Still wearing short sleeve shirts after the last frost. It was crazy! Hope y'all are safe.",
">\n\nOne wonders if there is a list of missing people and if so, how long the list is",
">\n\nI saw a fucked up video of people coming across someone frozen on the ground.",
">\n\nThat's cold asf",
">\n\nYeah both what they were saying and acting and the fact the person froze to death.",
">\n\nI once slept outside in 5 to 10 degree weather, I hope all the homeless got somewhere warm.",
">\n\n\"Poloncarz, a Democrat, called the blizzard \"the worst storm probably in our lifetime,\" even for an area known for heavy snow. More bodies are expected to be found as the snow is cleared or melts.\" \nWtf does their political affiliation have to do with anything? \n\"Jeff here, who loves cheese, was devastated when his wife was unable to be rescued from her car\".",
">\n\nPeople need to know if they should agree or disagree with the statement about the storm.",
">\n\nWhat?!? He’s a democrat? \nThat’s all I needed to hear to know that this definitely was NOT the worst storm in the city’s history, typical democrat fear mongering.\nTheres no more bodies to find, but I’m sure the democrats will claim they found more bodies just to justify more government spending. They’ll be counting people that died 3 weeks ago as storm deaths. They count bodies the same way they count votes for Biden. LGB!!\n/s",
">\n\nRemenber: whatever out there isn't worth your life",
">\n\nWell said, just chill at your home safely till the storm reduces",
">\n\nMany houses do not have power and people are trying to get to the safety of a community shelter.",
">\n\nThis is true as well",
">\n\nI’m in buffalo we had no power for 74 hours and needed gas to run a generator to stay warm, to survive you have to make choices. There wasn’t even 911 services for the entire city for days.",
">\n\nIt's insane to me they announced no emergency services. It was like 48 hours. All the bodegas near me on the west side got robbed, pretty crazy.",
">\n\nIt is insane, and public services have to warn people and risk the looting. The government is a construct that's a failure when its needed lately. It's not going to get any better either...",
">\n\nThis is not the time to play on the roads, so stay off them",
">\n\nKind of hard to do that if you live in your car.",
">\n\nmy hometown 💔 my sister is still snowed in and had to walk to wegmans to try and get supplies. i really wish i could help",
">\n\nDoesn't help homeless people who have no choice.",
">\n\nMeanwhile, Starbucks etc. demanding to know why employees aren't clocked in",
">\n\nI happened to have my plans messed up from the weather, so I was chillin solo on Xmas. I couldn’t believe my local Starbucks was open. Give em a day, Jeaz! No one is missing Starbucks that day.",
">\n\nRight?\nI mean, it's one thing to be open on a holiday in a busy travel area, especially if you have staff who celebrate other holidays -- but floods, shootings, blizzards, holidays (where it's not necessary or at not busy stores). Pretty sure there is something in the \"How to Be Corporate\" manual that demands stores be open in the most ridiculous situations without exception; in fact, that more ridiculous the more critical it is for the store to be fully staffed :/",
">\n\nFor the people looking in from outside the area, the people of WNY take pride in being able to survive storms with minimal disruption. And remember that we just got thru a monumental storm just before thanksgiving. But unless you are at least 55 yrs old you can’t really remember conditions like those of last week. It was on a whole different level and all the local weatherman warnings about it’s impending severity couldn’t convince a large number of the population. The fact that they hype up a normal lake effect snow storm every 10 days may have played a small part in people disregarding the warnings but that’s a whole other conversation.",
">\n\nThe size of the Low and the massive pressure gradient between it and the cold high behind it was absolutely nuts.",
">\n\n\"but you're still coming in for your shift, right?\" - management",
">\n\nThese managers and store owners should be prosecuted and go to jail.",
">\n\nI'm looking forward to the several lawsuits from employees over their bosses making them show up to work.",
">\n\nThe people at those jobs don't have the means to sue. And if they do the company will stretch it out requiring court appearances but the employee doesn't have that many sick and vacation days so they either show up and lose their job or give up. People can't go that long without work to fight back against the evil bastards. The only chance is a large class action or if the business gets enough bad publicity that they settle.",
">\n\nSo did folks stock up on supplies before this thing hit? If you can't drive you can't get to the grocery store or pharmacy.",
">\n\nThis is why they say you should have 2 weeks worth of non-perishable food at home at all times. Even if it's just soup or pasta. Because there will come a time when you're stuck for several days and everything is shut down. I know it sucks because so many are living paycheck to paycheck, but it's important to have that little stash of food (and medicine).",
">\n\nExactly. Everyone should have an emergency kit.",
">\n\nYou know how bad it is after you learn Buffalo is a place that is no stranger to snow, cold snaps and blizzards.",
">\n\nMy mum couldn’t understand why there have been so many deaths and as someone who’s only been following the situation from a distance I couldn’t really give her a confident answer. Are people dying from being caught in the blizzard outside? Are they trapped inside with no heating or supplies and succumbing to the cold? Is it primarily elderly people? Was this storm foreseen and were people warned to be prepared?",
">\n\nThe snow was so bad, people got stuck on the road. For over 24 hours there were NO emergency services available because ALL their vehicles were stuck. People froze to death or died from carbon monoxide b/c they ran their motors for heat.\nWe has sustained 75mph winds on Friday that immediately knock power out, and heat for those without gas. Water pipes broke. Fires. People became disoriented walking & just fell over & died. The snow was heavy, so shoveling caused heart attacks.\nNo one could prepare us for this. I have lived in the Buffalo area for 54 years. I have seen storms, but not like this."
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I was 9 in '77 so I don't remember a lot either. I was also in Chautauqua county then & like this storm, it wasn't as bad down there.
I am in Southtowns now. I agree 100% that this is a storm like no other in my lifetime. First the 5+ feet of snow a couple weeks ago, now this.
We were lucky too. I am SO GLAD you survived!🙏 Too many sad stories that didn't need to happen, and on Christmas no less. Peace & Go Bills!
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"31 deaths is crazy… stay safe out there!",
">\n\nI'm in Ohio and had to be the bad guy to my in-laws by saying we weren't coming to Christmas Eve, then they called the next day and said it took them an hour to drive 10 minutes home from the dinner we skipped and how dangerous it was. \nSome people gotta touch an oven to see if it's hot when you tell them ¯\\ಠಠ_/¯",
">\n\nAlso in Ohio. Called out of work the day of the storm even though it was only a 15 min drive away. Roads were still not cleared fully 2 days later.",
">\n\nI called out on Friday, I do not like my job enough to risk my life for it, especially during the holiday rush.",
">\n\nDon't get me wrong. My job is great and it pays well. But money is money and it'll cost a lot more for my loved ones to arrange my funeral than it would for me to miss a day of work.",
">\n\nI’m in BC where we got hit pretty bad last week, and my ethos was, “I get paid less in a day than my car insurance deductible costs”",
">\n\nHaha I’m gonna remember this",
">\n\nEmergency services were turned off for 2 days during the storm. The city was completely inaccessible so if you get into an accident you're on your own. My street (a main street in the heart of the west side) had a snow drift as high a stoplight blocking all access. Down the way was an abandoned semitruck blocking the entire road as well as other abandoned cars sprinkled across the landscape completely buried in snow. Trees fallen everywhere too. The whole city was like this.\nI knew it was going to be bad but this one was BAD",
">\n\nYou’ve been hit hard twice and it’s only December. Do you think about moving? Just curious. I live in Maine but come from Rochester NY and I don’t think I could deal with that level of disaster anymore.",
">\n\nGrew up in Rochester as well, moved to Southern Louisiana to get away from the snow. In the 90's I got cuaght several times on the stretch of 90 between Buffalo and Erie and wasn't sure I'd make it home. The snow through there is crazy, I would just follow a semi at a distance and if he went off the road I knew to stop.",
">\n\ndriving around with Semi-traction can be a bit dangerous sometimes.",
">\n\nIf they've got a full load they do better than cars and have more experienced drivers so I follow them too. But with an empty trailer they're screwed in high winds. I was thinking of passing one in Chicago snowstorm but the back drifted just a bit so I slowed down and kept back. Sure enough a few minutes later a gust caught him and the trailer swung across a couple lanes and almost jackknifed. Driver did a great job of getting it straightened back out so kudos to him! That was a long ass stressful drive back home though. I was exhausted.",
">\n\nThis is why people would rush to the store to buy up things like eggs, bread, milk, butter, TP, paper towels, etc... Sure people always panic when it's just a little snow but overall, these types of storms are why.",
">\n\nAlso why it's good to have some canned/dried goods. I keep about 4-5 days worth of soups, canned goods, rice, ramen, clean it out every once in a while if it doesn't get used. It's not costly either, that stuff is fairly cheap. \nBut man, this is pretty crazy. I think the most I've ever been trapped (no driving ban, just felt safe to leave) was 3 days in 2010 for \"Snowmaggedon\", these poor folks are almost going on a week.",
">\n\nYou keep 4-5 days worth?... I feel like I may be a hoarder if 4-5 days is considered a good amount.",
">\n\n4-5 days worth of food is nothing. I live in Louisiana and that’s the bare minimum in my opinion.",
">\n\nI'm pretty sure we have a month's worth of food all combined. Lots of dried beans and rice too. For me, it's to be prepared, and because of the poverty I've experienced, where all my food was from the food bank.",
">\n\nThat's very smart. Dried beans and rice are heaven when you have ZERO access. People don't understand that. it's not about what you want to eat in a disaster, its about eating high caloric/protein meals and staying adequately 'full', or, at the very least, having enough food to have some energy output.",
">\n\nAnother thing is maintaining a more positive mental state. When you don't meet the daily nutritive threshold it can mess with your head. Bad thought loops are the last thing you need in a natural disaster.",
">\n\nThis is 100 why I keep 'mental health food' in my pantry. A chocolate bar. Liquid IVs. Canned fruit. Stuff I know will boost me when I'm low. It helped so much during Ida.",
">\n\nEvery business that stayed open and didn't give their employees the option to stay home should be prosecuted. These people would t have been out in this if it wasn't for fear of losing their jobs. It's disgusting.",
">\n\nToo bad our elected officials don't represent their constituents' interests. Or rather they consider the businesses their constuents, rather than the voters.",
">\n\n\nOr rather they consider the businesses their constituents, rather than the voters.\n\nConservatives make no secret at all about this, and their voters are very straightforward about valuing business owners over regular people.",
">\n\nIt's not just conservatives, sadly. Both parties represent corporations over human beings.",
">\n\nTrue, but conservatives have turned the \"small business owner\" into an identity that they leverage against anybody who might need any sort of govt protections; the narrative is always that JimBob's Tire Emporium will go under if he has to pay over $8/hour or offer insurance. They all see themselves as JimBob. It's a really good trick.\nDems are for sure corrupt and support a lot of corporate agenda items but they campaign on individual wage and debt issues and do actually pass legislation. They're less psychopathic.",
">\n\nAnd yet conservative's talk about small business that way, but vote every damn time to make sure that larger companies get advantages - and those small businesses fail.",
">\n\nSo do Dems. Follow the money, both parties are propped up by the foulest industries and that isn't even considering dark money and super PACS.",
">\n\nI do, but I also look at the voting records. We need to get more people to run under \"Working Families\"that arent just \"better than the worse\" of the democrats.",
">\n\nLowes doesn't care. Still forcing employees to come in",
">\n\nI recently learned from a former Lowe’s employee that they have some sort of agreement with the government to be considered essential so that people and emergency services can get generators and equipment from them",
">\n\njesus, that's a lot of fucking snow \nlooking at that i'm having a mild ptsd from the four straight days of shoveling/blowing last week here in northern WI",
">\n\nHi fellow Northwoods resident!\nThe blow snow is the worst part. Stupid snow drifts. \nAlthough. My subdivision went from an open field to a street full of houses this summer. So the drifting is down considerably.",
">\n\nWyoming enters the chat Someone talking about snowdrifts? The jackalopes have it tough this year.",
">\n\nJesus I saw that Cheyenne dropped 32 degrees in temp in 10 minutes. That is seriously insane weather.",
">\n\nIt was awesome! \nDay after tomorrow quotes for a week! \nWe never lost power so it was a win. What's funny is that it was around 25 this morning. Still wearing short sleeve shirts after the last frost. It was crazy! Hope y'all are safe.",
">\n\nOne wonders if there is a list of missing people and if so, how long the list is",
">\n\nI saw a fucked up video of people coming across someone frozen on the ground.",
">\n\nThat's cold asf",
">\n\nYeah both what they were saying and acting and the fact the person froze to death.",
">\n\nI once slept outside in 5 to 10 degree weather, I hope all the homeless got somewhere warm.",
">\n\n\"Poloncarz, a Democrat, called the blizzard \"the worst storm probably in our lifetime,\" even for an area known for heavy snow. More bodies are expected to be found as the snow is cleared or melts.\" \nWtf does their political affiliation have to do with anything? \n\"Jeff here, who loves cheese, was devastated when his wife was unable to be rescued from her car\".",
">\n\nPeople need to know if they should agree or disagree with the statement about the storm.",
">\n\nWhat?!? He’s a democrat? \nThat’s all I needed to hear to know that this definitely was NOT the worst storm in the city’s history, typical democrat fear mongering.\nTheres no more bodies to find, but I’m sure the democrats will claim they found more bodies just to justify more government spending. They’ll be counting people that died 3 weeks ago as storm deaths. They count bodies the same way they count votes for Biden. LGB!!\n/s",
">\n\nRemenber: whatever out there isn't worth your life",
">\n\nWell said, just chill at your home safely till the storm reduces",
">\n\nMany houses do not have power and people are trying to get to the safety of a community shelter.",
">\n\nThis is true as well",
">\n\nI’m in buffalo we had no power for 74 hours and needed gas to run a generator to stay warm, to survive you have to make choices. There wasn’t even 911 services for the entire city for days.",
">\n\nIt's insane to me they announced no emergency services. It was like 48 hours. All the bodegas near me on the west side got robbed, pretty crazy.",
">\n\nIt is insane, and public services have to warn people and risk the looting. The government is a construct that's a failure when its needed lately. It's not going to get any better either...",
">\n\nThis is not the time to play on the roads, so stay off them",
">\n\nKind of hard to do that if you live in your car.",
">\n\nmy hometown 💔 my sister is still snowed in and had to walk to wegmans to try and get supplies. i really wish i could help",
">\n\nDoesn't help homeless people who have no choice.",
">\n\nMeanwhile, Starbucks etc. demanding to know why employees aren't clocked in",
">\n\nI happened to have my plans messed up from the weather, so I was chillin solo on Xmas. I couldn’t believe my local Starbucks was open. Give em a day, Jeaz! No one is missing Starbucks that day.",
">\n\nRight?\nI mean, it's one thing to be open on a holiday in a busy travel area, especially if you have staff who celebrate other holidays -- but floods, shootings, blizzards, holidays (where it's not necessary or at not busy stores). Pretty sure there is something in the \"How to Be Corporate\" manual that demands stores be open in the most ridiculous situations without exception; in fact, that more ridiculous the more critical it is for the store to be fully staffed :/",
">\n\nFor the people looking in from outside the area, the people of WNY take pride in being able to survive storms with minimal disruption. And remember that we just got thru a monumental storm just before thanksgiving. But unless you are at least 55 yrs old you can’t really remember conditions like those of last week. It was on a whole different level and all the local weatherman warnings about it’s impending severity couldn’t convince a large number of the population. The fact that they hype up a normal lake effect snow storm every 10 days may have played a small part in people disregarding the warnings but that’s a whole other conversation.",
">\n\nThe size of the Low and the massive pressure gradient between it and the cold high behind it was absolutely nuts.",
">\n\n\"but you're still coming in for your shift, right?\" - management",
">\n\nThese managers and store owners should be prosecuted and go to jail.",
">\n\nI'm looking forward to the several lawsuits from employees over their bosses making them show up to work.",
">\n\nThe people at those jobs don't have the means to sue. And if they do the company will stretch it out requiring court appearances but the employee doesn't have that many sick and vacation days so they either show up and lose their job or give up. People can't go that long without work to fight back against the evil bastards. The only chance is a large class action or if the business gets enough bad publicity that they settle.",
">\n\nSo did folks stock up on supplies before this thing hit? If you can't drive you can't get to the grocery store or pharmacy.",
">\n\nThis is why they say you should have 2 weeks worth of non-perishable food at home at all times. Even if it's just soup or pasta. Because there will come a time when you're stuck for several days and everything is shut down. I know it sucks because so many are living paycheck to paycheck, but it's important to have that little stash of food (and medicine).",
">\n\nExactly. Everyone should have an emergency kit.",
">\n\nYou know how bad it is after you learn Buffalo is a place that is no stranger to snow, cold snaps and blizzards.",
">\n\nMy mum couldn’t understand why there have been so many deaths and as someone who’s only been following the situation from a distance I couldn’t really give her a confident answer. Are people dying from being caught in the blizzard outside? Are they trapped inside with no heating or supplies and succumbing to the cold? Is it primarily elderly people? Was this storm foreseen and were people warned to be prepared?",
">\n\nThe snow was so bad, people got stuck on the road. For over 24 hours there were NO emergency services available because ALL their vehicles were stuck. People froze to death or died from carbon monoxide b/c they ran their motors for heat.\nWe has sustained 75mph winds on Friday that immediately knock power out, and heat for those without gas. Water pipes broke. Fires. People became disoriented walking & just fell over & died. The snow was heavy, so shoveling caused heart attacks.\nNo one could prepare us for this. I have lived in the Buffalo area for 54 years. I have seen storms, but not like this.",
">\n\nWe have gas heat but it’s forced air so no power= no heat. (Luckily we only had power flicker a few times- houses down the street lost power). \nI said elsewhere- I’ve never been in a situation where we were told “no emergency services- you’re on your own”. Maybe it happened in ‘77 but I was 5 then and I honestly don’t remember the storm."
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This is exactly why I hate snow. I know it's fun to ski and make snowmen and have snow ball fights. It's when you have to clear the snow due to it hindering something or drive in it, deaths result.
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"31 deaths is crazy… stay safe out there!",
">\n\nI'm in Ohio and had to be the bad guy to my in-laws by saying we weren't coming to Christmas Eve, then they called the next day and said it took them an hour to drive 10 minutes home from the dinner we skipped and how dangerous it was. \nSome people gotta touch an oven to see if it's hot when you tell them ¯\\ಠಠ_/¯",
">\n\nAlso in Ohio. Called out of work the day of the storm even though it was only a 15 min drive away. Roads were still not cleared fully 2 days later.",
">\n\nI called out on Friday, I do not like my job enough to risk my life for it, especially during the holiday rush.",
">\n\nDon't get me wrong. My job is great and it pays well. But money is money and it'll cost a lot more for my loved ones to arrange my funeral than it would for me to miss a day of work.",
">\n\nI’m in BC where we got hit pretty bad last week, and my ethos was, “I get paid less in a day than my car insurance deductible costs”",
">\n\nHaha I’m gonna remember this",
">\n\nEmergency services were turned off for 2 days during the storm. The city was completely inaccessible so if you get into an accident you're on your own. My street (a main street in the heart of the west side) had a snow drift as high a stoplight blocking all access. Down the way was an abandoned semitruck blocking the entire road as well as other abandoned cars sprinkled across the landscape completely buried in snow. Trees fallen everywhere too. The whole city was like this.\nI knew it was going to be bad but this one was BAD",
">\n\nYou’ve been hit hard twice and it’s only December. Do you think about moving? Just curious. I live in Maine but come from Rochester NY and I don’t think I could deal with that level of disaster anymore.",
">\n\nGrew up in Rochester as well, moved to Southern Louisiana to get away from the snow. In the 90's I got cuaght several times on the stretch of 90 between Buffalo and Erie and wasn't sure I'd make it home. The snow through there is crazy, I would just follow a semi at a distance and if he went off the road I knew to stop.",
">\n\ndriving around with Semi-traction can be a bit dangerous sometimes.",
">\n\nIf they've got a full load they do better than cars and have more experienced drivers so I follow them too. But with an empty trailer they're screwed in high winds. I was thinking of passing one in Chicago snowstorm but the back drifted just a bit so I slowed down and kept back. Sure enough a few minutes later a gust caught him and the trailer swung across a couple lanes and almost jackknifed. Driver did a great job of getting it straightened back out so kudos to him! That was a long ass stressful drive back home though. I was exhausted.",
">\n\nThis is why people would rush to the store to buy up things like eggs, bread, milk, butter, TP, paper towels, etc... Sure people always panic when it's just a little snow but overall, these types of storms are why.",
">\n\nAlso why it's good to have some canned/dried goods. I keep about 4-5 days worth of soups, canned goods, rice, ramen, clean it out every once in a while if it doesn't get used. It's not costly either, that stuff is fairly cheap. \nBut man, this is pretty crazy. I think the most I've ever been trapped (no driving ban, just felt safe to leave) was 3 days in 2010 for \"Snowmaggedon\", these poor folks are almost going on a week.",
">\n\nYou keep 4-5 days worth?... I feel like I may be a hoarder if 4-5 days is considered a good amount.",
">\n\n4-5 days worth of food is nothing. I live in Louisiana and that’s the bare minimum in my opinion.",
">\n\nI'm pretty sure we have a month's worth of food all combined. Lots of dried beans and rice too. For me, it's to be prepared, and because of the poverty I've experienced, where all my food was from the food bank.",
">\n\nThat's very smart. Dried beans and rice are heaven when you have ZERO access. People don't understand that. it's not about what you want to eat in a disaster, its about eating high caloric/protein meals and staying adequately 'full', or, at the very least, having enough food to have some energy output.",
">\n\nAnother thing is maintaining a more positive mental state. When you don't meet the daily nutritive threshold it can mess with your head. Bad thought loops are the last thing you need in a natural disaster.",
">\n\nThis is 100 why I keep 'mental health food' in my pantry. A chocolate bar. Liquid IVs. Canned fruit. Stuff I know will boost me when I'm low. It helped so much during Ida.",
">\n\nEvery business that stayed open and didn't give their employees the option to stay home should be prosecuted. These people would t have been out in this if it wasn't for fear of losing their jobs. It's disgusting.",
">\n\nToo bad our elected officials don't represent their constituents' interests. Or rather they consider the businesses their constuents, rather than the voters.",
">\n\n\nOr rather they consider the businesses their constituents, rather than the voters.\n\nConservatives make no secret at all about this, and their voters are very straightforward about valuing business owners over regular people.",
">\n\nIt's not just conservatives, sadly. Both parties represent corporations over human beings.",
">\n\nTrue, but conservatives have turned the \"small business owner\" into an identity that they leverage against anybody who might need any sort of govt protections; the narrative is always that JimBob's Tire Emporium will go under if he has to pay over $8/hour or offer insurance. They all see themselves as JimBob. It's a really good trick.\nDems are for sure corrupt and support a lot of corporate agenda items but they campaign on individual wage and debt issues and do actually pass legislation. They're less psychopathic.",
">\n\nAnd yet conservative's talk about small business that way, but vote every damn time to make sure that larger companies get advantages - and those small businesses fail.",
">\n\nSo do Dems. Follow the money, both parties are propped up by the foulest industries and that isn't even considering dark money and super PACS.",
">\n\nI do, but I also look at the voting records. We need to get more people to run under \"Working Families\"that arent just \"better than the worse\" of the democrats.",
">\n\nLowes doesn't care. Still forcing employees to come in",
">\n\nI recently learned from a former Lowe’s employee that they have some sort of agreement with the government to be considered essential so that people and emergency services can get generators and equipment from them",
">\n\njesus, that's a lot of fucking snow \nlooking at that i'm having a mild ptsd from the four straight days of shoveling/blowing last week here in northern WI",
">\n\nHi fellow Northwoods resident!\nThe blow snow is the worst part. Stupid snow drifts. \nAlthough. My subdivision went from an open field to a street full of houses this summer. So the drifting is down considerably.",
">\n\nWyoming enters the chat Someone talking about snowdrifts? The jackalopes have it tough this year.",
">\n\nJesus I saw that Cheyenne dropped 32 degrees in temp in 10 minutes. That is seriously insane weather.",
">\n\nIt was awesome! \nDay after tomorrow quotes for a week! \nWe never lost power so it was a win. What's funny is that it was around 25 this morning. Still wearing short sleeve shirts after the last frost. It was crazy! Hope y'all are safe.",
">\n\nOne wonders if there is a list of missing people and if so, how long the list is",
">\n\nI saw a fucked up video of people coming across someone frozen on the ground.",
">\n\nThat's cold asf",
">\n\nYeah both what they were saying and acting and the fact the person froze to death.",
">\n\nI once slept outside in 5 to 10 degree weather, I hope all the homeless got somewhere warm.",
">\n\n\"Poloncarz, a Democrat, called the blizzard \"the worst storm probably in our lifetime,\" even for an area known for heavy snow. More bodies are expected to be found as the snow is cleared or melts.\" \nWtf does their political affiliation have to do with anything? \n\"Jeff here, who loves cheese, was devastated when his wife was unable to be rescued from her car\".",
">\n\nPeople need to know if they should agree or disagree with the statement about the storm.",
">\n\nWhat?!? He’s a democrat? \nThat’s all I needed to hear to know that this definitely was NOT the worst storm in the city’s history, typical democrat fear mongering.\nTheres no more bodies to find, but I’m sure the democrats will claim they found more bodies just to justify more government spending. They’ll be counting people that died 3 weeks ago as storm deaths. They count bodies the same way they count votes for Biden. LGB!!\n/s",
">\n\nRemenber: whatever out there isn't worth your life",
">\n\nWell said, just chill at your home safely till the storm reduces",
">\n\nMany houses do not have power and people are trying to get to the safety of a community shelter.",
">\n\nThis is true as well",
">\n\nI’m in buffalo we had no power for 74 hours and needed gas to run a generator to stay warm, to survive you have to make choices. There wasn’t even 911 services for the entire city for days.",
">\n\nIt's insane to me they announced no emergency services. It was like 48 hours. All the bodegas near me on the west side got robbed, pretty crazy.",
">\n\nIt is insane, and public services have to warn people and risk the looting. The government is a construct that's a failure when its needed lately. It's not going to get any better either...",
">\n\nThis is not the time to play on the roads, so stay off them",
">\n\nKind of hard to do that if you live in your car.",
">\n\nmy hometown 💔 my sister is still snowed in and had to walk to wegmans to try and get supplies. i really wish i could help",
">\n\nDoesn't help homeless people who have no choice.",
">\n\nMeanwhile, Starbucks etc. demanding to know why employees aren't clocked in",
">\n\nI happened to have my plans messed up from the weather, so I was chillin solo on Xmas. I couldn’t believe my local Starbucks was open. Give em a day, Jeaz! No one is missing Starbucks that day.",
">\n\nRight?\nI mean, it's one thing to be open on a holiday in a busy travel area, especially if you have staff who celebrate other holidays -- but floods, shootings, blizzards, holidays (where it's not necessary or at not busy stores). Pretty sure there is something in the \"How to Be Corporate\" manual that demands stores be open in the most ridiculous situations without exception; in fact, that more ridiculous the more critical it is for the store to be fully staffed :/",
">\n\nFor the people looking in from outside the area, the people of WNY take pride in being able to survive storms with minimal disruption. And remember that we just got thru a monumental storm just before thanksgiving. But unless you are at least 55 yrs old you can’t really remember conditions like those of last week. It was on a whole different level and all the local weatherman warnings about it’s impending severity couldn’t convince a large number of the population. The fact that they hype up a normal lake effect snow storm every 10 days may have played a small part in people disregarding the warnings but that’s a whole other conversation.",
">\n\nThe size of the Low and the massive pressure gradient between it and the cold high behind it was absolutely nuts.",
">\n\n\"but you're still coming in for your shift, right?\" - management",
">\n\nThese managers and store owners should be prosecuted and go to jail.",
">\n\nI'm looking forward to the several lawsuits from employees over their bosses making them show up to work.",
">\n\nThe people at those jobs don't have the means to sue. And if they do the company will stretch it out requiring court appearances but the employee doesn't have that many sick and vacation days so they either show up and lose their job or give up. People can't go that long without work to fight back against the evil bastards. The only chance is a large class action or if the business gets enough bad publicity that they settle.",
">\n\nSo did folks stock up on supplies before this thing hit? If you can't drive you can't get to the grocery store or pharmacy.",
">\n\nThis is why they say you should have 2 weeks worth of non-perishable food at home at all times. Even if it's just soup or pasta. Because there will come a time when you're stuck for several days and everything is shut down. I know it sucks because so many are living paycheck to paycheck, but it's important to have that little stash of food (and medicine).",
">\n\nExactly. Everyone should have an emergency kit.",
">\n\nYou know how bad it is after you learn Buffalo is a place that is no stranger to snow, cold snaps and blizzards.",
">\n\nMy mum couldn’t understand why there have been so many deaths and as someone who’s only been following the situation from a distance I couldn’t really give her a confident answer. Are people dying from being caught in the blizzard outside? Are they trapped inside with no heating or supplies and succumbing to the cold? Is it primarily elderly people? Was this storm foreseen and were people warned to be prepared?",
">\n\nThe snow was so bad, people got stuck on the road. For over 24 hours there were NO emergency services available because ALL their vehicles were stuck. People froze to death or died from carbon monoxide b/c they ran their motors for heat.\nWe has sustained 75mph winds on Friday that immediately knock power out, and heat for those without gas. Water pipes broke. Fires. People became disoriented walking & just fell over & died. The snow was heavy, so shoveling caused heart attacks.\nNo one could prepare us for this. I have lived in the Buffalo area for 54 years. I have seen storms, but not like this.",
">\n\nWe have gas heat but it’s forced air so no power= no heat. (Luckily we only had power flicker a few times- houses down the street lost power). \nI said elsewhere- I’ve never been in a situation where we were told “no emergency services- you’re on your own”. Maybe it happened in ‘77 but I was 5 then and I honestly don’t remember the storm.",
">\n\nI was 9 in '77 so I don't remember a lot either. I was also in Chautauqua county then & like this storm, it wasn't as bad down there. \nI am in Southtowns now. I agree 100% that this is a storm like no other in my lifetime. First the 5+ feet of snow a couple weeks ago, now this.\nWe were lucky too. I am SO GLAD you survived!🙏 Too many sad stories that didn't need to happen, and on Christmas no less. Peace & Go Bills!"
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No hair, our skin hurts in low temps, Our noses dont work under low humidity. For all intents and purposes, humans aren't meant to live in the cold.
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"31 deaths is crazy… stay safe out there!",
">\n\nI'm in Ohio and had to be the bad guy to my in-laws by saying we weren't coming to Christmas Eve, then they called the next day and said it took them an hour to drive 10 minutes home from the dinner we skipped and how dangerous it was. \nSome people gotta touch an oven to see if it's hot when you tell them ¯\\ಠಠ_/¯",
">\n\nAlso in Ohio. Called out of work the day of the storm even though it was only a 15 min drive away. Roads were still not cleared fully 2 days later.",
">\n\nI called out on Friday, I do not like my job enough to risk my life for it, especially during the holiday rush.",
">\n\nDon't get me wrong. My job is great and it pays well. But money is money and it'll cost a lot more for my loved ones to arrange my funeral than it would for me to miss a day of work.",
">\n\nI’m in BC where we got hit pretty bad last week, and my ethos was, “I get paid less in a day than my car insurance deductible costs”",
">\n\nHaha I’m gonna remember this",
">\n\nEmergency services were turned off for 2 days during the storm. The city was completely inaccessible so if you get into an accident you're on your own. My street (a main street in the heart of the west side) had a snow drift as high a stoplight blocking all access. Down the way was an abandoned semitruck blocking the entire road as well as other abandoned cars sprinkled across the landscape completely buried in snow. Trees fallen everywhere too. The whole city was like this.\nI knew it was going to be bad but this one was BAD",
">\n\nYou’ve been hit hard twice and it’s only December. Do you think about moving? Just curious. I live in Maine but come from Rochester NY and I don’t think I could deal with that level of disaster anymore.",
">\n\nGrew up in Rochester as well, moved to Southern Louisiana to get away from the snow. In the 90's I got cuaght several times on the stretch of 90 between Buffalo and Erie and wasn't sure I'd make it home. The snow through there is crazy, I would just follow a semi at a distance and if he went off the road I knew to stop.",
">\n\ndriving around with Semi-traction can be a bit dangerous sometimes.",
">\n\nIf they've got a full load they do better than cars and have more experienced drivers so I follow them too. But with an empty trailer they're screwed in high winds. I was thinking of passing one in Chicago snowstorm but the back drifted just a bit so I slowed down and kept back. Sure enough a few minutes later a gust caught him and the trailer swung across a couple lanes and almost jackknifed. Driver did a great job of getting it straightened back out so kudos to him! That was a long ass stressful drive back home though. I was exhausted.",
">\n\nThis is why people would rush to the store to buy up things like eggs, bread, milk, butter, TP, paper towels, etc... Sure people always panic when it's just a little snow but overall, these types of storms are why.",
">\n\nAlso why it's good to have some canned/dried goods. I keep about 4-5 days worth of soups, canned goods, rice, ramen, clean it out every once in a while if it doesn't get used. It's not costly either, that stuff is fairly cheap. \nBut man, this is pretty crazy. I think the most I've ever been trapped (no driving ban, just felt safe to leave) was 3 days in 2010 for \"Snowmaggedon\", these poor folks are almost going on a week.",
">\n\nYou keep 4-5 days worth?... I feel like I may be a hoarder if 4-5 days is considered a good amount.",
">\n\n4-5 days worth of food is nothing. I live in Louisiana and that’s the bare minimum in my opinion.",
">\n\nI'm pretty sure we have a month's worth of food all combined. Lots of dried beans and rice too. For me, it's to be prepared, and because of the poverty I've experienced, where all my food was from the food bank.",
">\n\nThat's very smart. Dried beans and rice are heaven when you have ZERO access. People don't understand that. it's not about what you want to eat in a disaster, its about eating high caloric/protein meals and staying adequately 'full', or, at the very least, having enough food to have some energy output.",
">\n\nAnother thing is maintaining a more positive mental state. When you don't meet the daily nutritive threshold it can mess with your head. Bad thought loops are the last thing you need in a natural disaster.",
">\n\nThis is 100 why I keep 'mental health food' in my pantry. A chocolate bar. Liquid IVs. Canned fruit. Stuff I know will boost me when I'm low. It helped so much during Ida.",
">\n\nEvery business that stayed open and didn't give their employees the option to stay home should be prosecuted. These people would t have been out in this if it wasn't for fear of losing their jobs. It's disgusting.",
">\n\nToo bad our elected officials don't represent their constituents' interests. Or rather they consider the businesses their constuents, rather than the voters.",
">\n\n\nOr rather they consider the businesses their constituents, rather than the voters.\n\nConservatives make no secret at all about this, and their voters are very straightforward about valuing business owners over regular people.",
">\n\nIt's not just conservatives, sadly. Both parties represent corporations over human beings.",
">\n\nTrue, but conservatives have turned the \"small business owner\" into an identity that they leverage against anybody who might need any sort of govt protections; the narrative is always that JimBob's Tire Emporium will go under if he has to pay over $8/hour or offer insurance. They all see themselves as JimBob. It's a really good trick.\nDems are for sure corrupt and support a lot of corporate agenda items but they campaign on individual wage and debt issues and do actually pass legislation. They're less psychopathic.",
">\n\nAnd yet conservative's talk about small business that way, but vote every damn time to make sure that larger companies get advantages - and those small businesses fail.",
">\n\nSo do Dems. Follow the money, both parties are propped up by the foulest industries and that isn't even considering dark money and super PACS.",
">\n\nI do, but I also look at the voting records. We need to get more people to run under \"Working Families\"that arent just \"better than the worse\" of the democrats.",
">\n\nLowes doesn't care. Still forcing employees to come in",
">\n\nI recently learned from a former Lowe’s employee that they have some sort of agreement with the government to be considered essential so that people and emergency services can get generators and equipment from them",
">\n\njesus, that's a lot of fucking snow \nlooking at that i'm having a mild ptsd from the four straight days of shoveling/blowing last week here in northern WI",
">\n\nHi fellow Northwoods resident!\nThe blow snow is the worst part. Stupid snow drifts. \nAlthough. My subdivision went from an open field to a street full of houses this summer. So the drifting is down considerably.",
">\n\nWyoming enters the chat Someone talking about snowdrifts? The jackalopes have it tough this year.",
">\n\nJesus I saw that Cheyenne dropped 32 degrees in temp in 10 minutes. That is seriously insane weather.",
">\n\nIt was awesome! \nDay after tomorrow quotes for a week! \nWe never lost power so it was a win. What's funny is that it was around 25 this morning. Still wearing short sleeve shirts after the last frost. It was crazy! Hope y'all are safe.",
">\n\nOne wonders if there is a list of missing people and if so, how long the list is",
">\n\nI saw a fucked up video of people coming across someone frozen on the ground.",
">\n\nThat's cold asf",
">\n\nYeah both what they were saying and acting and the fact the person froze to death.",
">\n\nI once slept outside in 5 to 10 degree weather, I hope all the homeless got somewhere warm.",
">\n\n\"Poloncarz, a Democrat, called the blizzard \"the worst storm probably in our lifetime,\" even for an area known for heavy snow. More bodies are expected to be found as the snow is cleared or melts.\" \nWtf does their political affiliation have to do with anything? \n\"Jeff here, who loves cheese, was devastated when his wife was unable to be rescued from her car\".",
">\n\nPeople need to know if they should agree or disagree with the statement about the storm.",
">\n\nWhat?!? He’s a democrat? \nThat’s all I needed to hear to know that this definitely was NOT the worst storm in the city’s history, typical democrat fear mongering.\nTheres no more bodies to find, but I’m sure the democrats will claim they found more bodies just to justify more government spending. They’ll be counting people that died 3 weeks ago as storm deaths. They count bodies the same way they count votes for Biden. LGB!!\n/s",
">\n\nRemenber: whatever out there isn't worth your life",
">\n\nWell said, just chill at your home safely till the storm reduces",
">\n\nMany houses do not have power and people are trying to get to the safety of a community shelter.",
">\n\nThis is true as well",
">\n\nI’m in buffalo we had no power for 74 hours and needed gas to run a generator to stay warm, to survive you have to make choices. There wasn’t even 911 services for the entire city for days.",
">\n\nIt's insane to me they announced no emergency services. It was like 48 hours. All the bodegas near me on the west side got robbed, pretty crazy.",
">\n\nIt is insane, and public services have to warn people and risk the looting. The government is a construct that's a failure when its needed lately. It's not going to get any better either...",
">\n\nThis is not the time to play on the roads, so stay off them",
">\n\nKind of hard to do that if you live in your car.",
">\n\nmy hometown 💔 my sister is still snowed in and had to walk to wegmans to try and get supplies. i really wish i could help",
">\n\nDoesn't help homeless people who have no choice.",
">\n\nMeanwhile, Starbucks etc. demanding to know why employees aren't clocked in",
">\n\nI happened to have my plans messed up from the weather, so I was chillin solo on Xmas. I couldn’t believe my local Starbucks was open. Give em a day, Jeaz! No one is missing Starbucks that day.",
">\n\nRight?\nI mean, it's one thing to be open on a holiday in a busy travel area, especially if you have staff who celebrate other holidays -- but floods, shootings, blizzards, holidays (where it's not necessary or at not busy stores). Pretty sure there is something in the \"How to Be Corporate\" manual that demands stores be open in the most ridiculous situations without exception; in fact, that more ridiculous the more critical it is for the store to be fully staffed :/",
">\n\nFor the people looking in from outside the area, the people of WNY take pride in being able to survive storms with minimal disruption. And remember that we just got thru a monumental storm just before thanksgiving. But unless you are at least 55 yrs old you can’t really remember conditions like those of last week. It was on a whole different level and all the local weatherman warnings about it’s impending severity couldn’t convince a large number of the population. The fact that they hype up a normal lake effect snow storm every 10 days may have played a small part in people disregarding the warnings but that’s a whole other conversation.",
">\n\nThe size of the Low and the massive pressure gradient between it and the cold high behind it was absolutely nuts.",
">\n\n\"but you're still coming in for your shift, right?\" - management",
">\n\nThese managers and store owners should be prosecuted and go to jail.",
">\n\nI'm looking forward to the several lawsuits from employees over their bosses making them show up to work.",
">\n\nThe people at those jobs don't have the means to sue. And if they do the company will stretch it out requiring court appearances but the employee doesn't have that many sick and vacation days so they either show up and lose their job or give up. People can't go that long without work to fight back against the evil bastards. The only chance is a large class action or if the business gets enough bad publicity that they settle.",
">\n\nSo did folks stock up on supplies before this thing hit? If you can't drive you can't get to the grocery store or pharmacy.",
">\n\nThis is why they say you should have 2 weeks worth of non-perishable food at home at all times. Even if it's just soup or pasta. Because there will come a time when you're stuck for several days and everything is shut down. I know it sucks because so many are living paycheck to paycheck, but it's important to have that little stash of food (and medicine).",
">\n\nExactly. Everyone should have an emergency kit.",
">\n\nYou know how bad it is after you learn Buffalo is a place that is no stranger to snow, cold snaps and blizzards.",
">\n\nMy mum couldn’t understand why there have been so many deaths and as someone who’s only been following the situation from a distance I couldn’t really give her a confident answer. Are people dying from being caught in the blizzard outside? Are they trapped inside with no heating or supplies and succumbing to the cold? Is it primarily elderly people? Was this storm foreseen and were people warned to be prepared?",
">\n\nThe snow was so bad, people got stuck on the road. For over 24 hours there were NO emergency services available because ALL their vehicles were stuck. People froze to death or died from carbon monoxide b/c they ran their motors for heat.\nWe has sustained 75mph winds on Friday that immediately knock power out, and heat for those without gas. Water pipes broke. Fires. People became disoriented walking & just fell over & died. The snow was heavy, so shoveling caused heart attacks.\nNo one could prepare us for this. I have lived in the Buffalo area for 54 years. I have seen storms, but not like this.",
">\n\nWe have gas heat but it’s forced air so no power= no heat. (Luckily we only had power flicker a few times- houses down the street lost power). \nI said elsewhere- I’ve never been in a situation where we were told “no emergency services- you’re on your own”. Maybe it happened in ‘77 but I was 5 then and I honestly don’t remember the storm.",
">\n\nI was 9 in '77 so I don't remember a lot either. I was also in Chautauqua county then & like this storm, it wasn't as bad down there. \nI am in Southtowns now. I agree 100% that this is a storm like no other in my lifetime. First the 5+ feet of snow a couple weeks ago, now this.\nWe were lucky too. I am SO GLAD you survived!🙏 Too many sad stories that didn't need to happen, and on Christmas no less. Peace & Go Bills!",
">\n\nThis is exactly why I hate snow. I know it's fun to ski and make snowmen and have snow ball fights. It's when you have to clear the snow due to it hindering something or drive in it, deaths result."
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Employers:”Walk your ass to work. I’ll see you when the snow dies down because I took vacation.”
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[
"31 deaths is crazy… stay safe out there!",
">\n\nI'm in Ohio and had to be the bad guy to my in-laws by saying we weren't coming to Christmas Eve, then they called the next day and said it took them an hour to drive 10 minutes home from the dinner we skipped and how dangerous it was. \nSome people gotta touch an oven to see if it's hot when you tell them ¯\\ಠಠ_/¯",
">\n\nAlso in Ohio. Called out of work the day of the storm even though it was only a 15 min drive away. Roads were still not cleared fully 2 days later.",
">\n\nI called out on Friday, I do not like my job enough to risk my life for it, especially during the holiday rush.",
">\n\nDon't get me wrong. My job is great and it pays well. But money is money and it'll cost a lot more for my loved ones to arrange my funeral than it would for me to miss a day of work.",
">\n\nI’m in BC where we got hit pretty bad last week, and my ethos was, “I get paid less in a day than my car insurance deductible costs”",
">\n\nHaha I’m gonna remember this",
">\n\nEmergency services were turned off for 2 days during the storm. The city was completely inaccessible so if you get into an accident you're on your own. My street (a main street in the heart of the west side) had a snow drift as high a stoplight blocking all access. Down the way was an abandoned semitruck blocking the entire road as well as other abandoned cars sprinkled across the landscape completely buried in snow. Trees fallen everywhere too. The whole city was like this.\nI knew it was going to be bad but this one was BAD",
">\n\nYou’ve been hit hard twice and it’s only December. Do you think about moving? Just curious. I live in Maine but come from Rochester NY and I don’t think I could deal with that level of disaster anymore.",
">\n\nGrew up in Rochester as well, moved to Southern Louisiana to get away from the snow. In the 90's I got cuaght several times on the stretch of 90 between Buffalo and Erie and wasn't sure I'd make it home. The snow through there is crazy, I would just follow a semi at a distance and if he went off the road I knew to stop.",
">\n\ndriving around with Semi-traction can be a bit dangerous sometimes.",
">\n\nIf they've got a full load they do better than cars and have more experienced drivers so I follow them too. But with an empty trailer they're screwed in high winds. I was thinking of passing one in Chicago snowstorm but the back drifted just a bit so I slowed down and kept back. Sure enough a few minutes later a gust caught him and the trailer swung across a couple lanes and almost jackknifed. Driver did a great job of getting it straightened back out so kudos to him! That was a long ass stressful drive back home though. I was exhausted.",
">\n\nThis is why people would rush to the store to buy up things like eggs, bread, milk, butter, TP, paper towels, etc... Sure people always panic when it's just a little snow but overall, these types of storms are why.",
">\n\nAlso why it's good to have some canned/dried goods. I keep about 4-5 days worth of soups, canned goods, rice, ramen, clean it out every once in a while if it doesn't get used. It's not costly either, that stuff is fairly cheap. \nBut man, this is pretty crazy. I think the most I've ever been trapped (no driving ban, just felt safe to leave) was 3 days in 2010 for \"Snowmaggedon\", these poor folks are almost going on a week.",
">\n\nYou keep 4-5 days worth?... I feel like I may be a hoarder if 4-5 days is considered a good amount.",
">\n\n4-5 days worth of food is nothing. I live in Louisiana and that’s the bare minimum in my opinion.",
">\n\nI'm pretty sure we have a month's worth of food all combined. Lots of dried beans and rice too. For me, it's to be prepared, and because of the poverty I've experienced, where all my food was from the food bank.",
">\n\nThat's very smart. Dried beans and rice are heaven when you have ZERO access. People don't understand that. it's not about what you want to eat in a disaster, its about eating high caloric/protein meals and staying adequately 'full', or, at the very least, having enough food to have some energy output.",
">\n\nAnother thing is maintaining a more positive mental state. When you don't meet the daily nutritive threshold it can mess with your head. Bad thought loops are the last thing you need in a natural disaster.",
">\n\nThis is 100 why I keep 'mental health food' in my pantry. A chocolate bar. Liquid IVs. Canned fruit. Stuff I know will boost me when I'm low. It helped so much during Ida.",
">\n\nEvery business that stayed open and didn't give their employees the option to stay home should be prosecuted. These people would t have been out in this if it wasn't for fear of losing their jobs. It's disgusting.",
">\n\nToo bad our elected officials don't represent their constituents' interests. Or rather they consider the businesses their constuents, rather than the voters.",
">\n\n\nOr rather they consider the businesses their constituents, rather than the voters.\n\nConservatives make no secret at all about this, and their voters are very straightforward about valuing business owners over regular people.",
">\n\nIt's not just conservatives, sadly. Both parties represent corporations over human beings.",
">\n\nTrue, but conservatives have turned the \"small business owner\" into an identity that they leverage against anybody who might need any sort of govt protections; the narrative is always that JimBob's Tire Emporium will go under if he has to pay over $8/hour or offer insurance. They all see themselves as JimBob. It's a really good trick.\nDems are for sure corrupt and support a lot of corporate agenda items but they campaign on individual wage and debt issues and do actually pass legislation. They're less psychopathic.",
">\n\nAnd yet conservative's talk about small business that way, but vote every damn time to make sure that larger companies get advantages - and those small businesses fail.",
">\n\nSo do Dems. Follow the money, both parties are propped up by the foulest industries and that isn't even considering dark money and super PACS.",
">\n\nI do, but I also look at the voting records. We need to get more people to run under \"Working Families\"that arent just \"better than the worse\" of the democrats.",
">\n\nLowes doesn't care. Still forcing employees to come in",
">\n\nI recently learned from a former Lowe’s employee that they have some sort of agreement with the government to be considered essential so that people and emergency services can get generators and equipment from them",
">\n\njesus, that's a lot of fucking snow \nlooking at that i'm having a mild ptsd from the four straight days of shoveling/blowing last week here in northern WI",
">\n\nHi fellow Northwoods resident!\nThe blow snow is the worst part. Stupid snow drifts. \nAlthough. My subdivision went from an open field to a street full of houses this summer. So the drifting is down considerably.",
">\n\nWyoming enters the chat Someone talking about snowdrifts? The jackalopes have it tough this year.",
">\n\nJesus I saw that Cheyenne dropped 32 degrees in temp in 10 minutes. That is seriously insane weather.",
">\n\nIt was awesome! \nDay after tomorrow quotes for a week! \nWe never lost power so it was a win. What's funny is that it was around 25 this morning. Still wearing short sleeve shirts after the last frost. It was crazy! Hope y'all are safe.",
">\n\nOne wonders if there is a list of missing people and if so, how long the list is",
">\n\nI saw a fucked up video of people coming across someone frozen on the ground.",
">\n\nThat's cold asf",
">\n\nYeah both what they were saying and acting and the fact the person froze to death.",
">\n\nI once slept outside in 5 to 10 degree weather, I hope all the homeless got somewhere warm.",
">\n\n\"Poloncarz, a Democrat, called the blizzard \"the worst storm probably in our lifetime,\" even for an area known for heavy snow. More bodies are expected to be found as the snow is cleared or melts.\" \nWtf does their political affiliation have to do with anything? \n\"Jeff here, who loves cheese, was devastated when his wife was unable to be rescued from her car\".",
">\n\nPeople need to know if they should agree or disagree with the statement about the storm.",
">\n\nWhat?!? He’s a democrat? \nThat’s all I needed to hear to know that this definitely was NOT the worst storm in the city’s history, typical democrat fear mongering.\nTheres no more bodies to find, but I’m sure the democrats will claim they found more bodies just to justify more government spending. They’ll be counting people that died 3 weeks ago as storm deaths. They count bodies the same way they count votes for Biden. LGB!!\n/s",
">\n\nRemenber: whatever out there isn't worth your life",
">\n\nWell said, just chill at your home safely till the storm reduces",
">\n\nMany houses do not have power and people are trying to get to the safety of a community shelter.",
">\n\nThis is true as well",
">\n\nI’m in buffalo we had no power for 74 hours and needed gas to run a generator to stay warm, to survive you have to make choices. There wasn’t even 911 services for the entire city for days.",
">\n\nIt's insane to me they announced no emergency services. It was like 48 hours. All the bodegas near me on the west side got robbed, pretty crazy.",
">\n\nIt is insane, and public services have to warn people and risk the looting. The government is a construct that's a failure when its needed lately. It's not going to get any better either...",
">\n\nThis is not the time to play on the roads, so stay off them",
">\n\nKind of hard to do that if you live in your car.",
">\n\nmy hometown 💔 my sister is still snowed in and had to walk to wegmans to try and get supplies. i really wish i could help",
">\n\nDoesn't help homeless people who have no choice.",
">\n\nMeanwhile, Starbucks etc. demanding to know why employees aren't clocked in",
">\n\nI happened to have my plans messed up from the weather, so I was chillin solo on Xmas. I couldn’t believe my local Starbucks was open. Give em a day, Jeaz! No one is missing Starbucks that day.",
">\n\nRight?\nI mean, it's one thing to be open on a holiday in a busy travel area, especially if you have staff who celebrate other holidays -- but floods, shootings, blizzards, holidays (where it's not necessary or at not busy stores). Pretty sure there is something in the \"How to Be Corporate\" manual that demands stores be open in the most ridiculous situations without exception; in fact, that more ridiculous the more critical it is for the store to be fully staffed :/",
">\n\nFor the people looking in from outside the area, the people of WNY take pride in being able to survive storms with minimal disruption. And remember that we just got thru a monumental storm just before thanksgiving. But unless you are at least 55 yrs old you can’t really remember conditions like those of last week. It was on a whole different level and all the local weatherman warnings about it’s impending severity couldn’t convince a large number of the population. The fact that they hype up a normal lake effect snow storm every 10 days may have played a small part in people disregarding the warnings but that’s a whole other conversation.",
">\n\nThe size of the Low and the massive pressure gradient between it and the cold high behind it was absolutely nuts.",
">\n\n\"but you're still coming in for your shift, right?\" - management",
">\n\nThese managers and store owners should be prosecuted and go to jail.",
">\n\nI'm looking forward to the several lawsuits from employees over their bosses making them show up to work.",
">\n\nThe people at those jobs don't have the means to sue. And if they do the company will stretch it out requiring court appearances but the employee doesn't have that many sick and vacation days so they either show up and lose their job or give up. People can't go that long without work to fight back against the evil bastards. The only chance is a large class action or if the business gets enough bad publicity that they settle.",
">\n\nSo did folks stock up on supplies before this thing hit? If you can't drive you can't get to the grocery store or pharmacy.",
">\n\nThis is why they say you should have 2 weeks worth of non-perishable food at home at all times. Even if it's just soup or pasta. Because there will come a time when you're stuck for several days and everything is shut down. I know it sucks because so many are living paycheck to paycheck, but it's important to have that little stash of food (and medicine).",
">\n\nExactly. Everyone should have an emergency kit.",
">\n\nYou know how bad it is after you learn Buffalo is a place that is no stranger to snow, cold snaps and blizzards.",
">\n\nMy mum couldn’t understand why there have been so many deaths and as someone who’s only been following the situation from a distance I couldn’t really give her a confident answer. Are people dying from being caught in the blizzard outside? Are they trapped inside with no heating or supplies and succumbing to the cold? Is it primarily elderly people? Was this storm foreseen and were people warned to be prepared?",
">\n\nThe snow was so bad, people got stuck on the road. For over 24 hours there were NO emergency services available because ALL their vehicles were stuck. People froze to death or died from carbon monoxide b/c they ran their motors for heat.\nWe has sustained 75mph winds on Friday that immediately knock power out, and heat for those without gas. Water pipes broke. Fires. People became disoriented walking & just fell over & died. The snow was heavy, so shoveling caused heart attacks.\nNo one could prepare us for this. I have lived in the Buffalo area for 54 years. I have seen storms, but not like this.",
">\n\nWe have gas heat but it’s forced air so no power= no heat. (Luckily we only had power flicker a few times- houses down the street lost power). \nI said elsewhere- I’ve never been in a situation where we were told “no emergency services- you’re on your own”. Maybe it happened in ‘77 but I was 5 then and I honestly don’t remember the storm.",
">\n\nI was 9 in '77 so I don't remember a lot either. I was also in Chautauqua county then & like this storm, it wasn't as bad down there. \nI am in Southtowns now. I agree 100% that this is a storm like no other in my lifetime. First the 5+ feet of snow a couple weeks ago, now this.\nWe were lucky too. I am SO GLAD you survived!🙏 Too many sad stories that didn't need to happen, and on Christmas no less. Peace & Go Bills!",
">\n\nThis is exactly why I hate snow. I know it's fun to ski and make snowmen and have snow ball fights. It's when you have to clear the snow due to it hindering something or drive in it, deaths result.",
">\n\nNo hair, our skin hurts in low temps, Our noses dont work under low humidity. For all intents and purposes, humans aren't meant to live in the cold."
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Some of those dead must be chili's managers who blew a blood vessel screaming at min wage workers that this storm " wasn't that bad" and " we are going to be crazy busy"
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[
"31 deaths is crazy… stay safe out there!",
">\n\nI'm in Ohio and had to be the bad guy to my in-laws by saying we weren't coming to Christmas Eve, then they called the next day and said it took them an hour to drive 10 minutes home from the dinner we skipped and how dangerous it was. \nSome people gotta touch an oven to see if it's hot when you tell them ¯\\ಠಠ_/¯",
">\n\nAlso in Ohio. Called out of work the day of the storm even though it was only a 15 min drive away. Roads were still not cleared fully 2 days later.",
">\n\nI called out on Friday, I do not like my job enough to risk my life for it, especially during the holiday rush.",
">\n\nDon't get me wrong. My job is great and it pays well. But money is money and it'll cost a lot more for my loved ones to arrange my funeral than it would for me to miss a day of work.",
">\n\nI’m in BC where we got hit pretty bad last week, and my ethos was, “I get paid less in a day than my car insurance deductible costs”",
">\n\nHaha I’m gonna remember this",
">\n\nEmergency services were turned off for 2 days during the storm. The city was completely inaccessible so if you get into an accident you're on your own. My street (a main street in the heart of the west side) had a snow drift as high a stoplight blocking all access. Down the way was an abandoned semitruck blocking the entire road as well as other abandoned cars sprinkled across the landscape completely buried in snow. Trees fallen everywhere too. The whole city was like this.\nI knew it was going to be bad but this one was BAD",
">\n\nYou’ve been hit hard twice and it’s only December. Do you think about moving? Just curious. I live in Maine but come from Rochester NY and I don’t think I could deal with that level of disaster anymore.",
">\n\nGrew up in Rochester as well, moved to Southern Louisiana to get away from the snow. In the 90's I got cuaght several times on the stretch of 90 between Buffalo and Erie and wasn't sure I'd make it home. The snow through there is crazy, I would just follow a semi at a distance and if he went off the road I knew to stop.",
">\n\ndriving around with Semi-traction can be a bit dangerous sometimes.",
">\n\nIf they've got a full load they do better than cars and have more experienced drivers so I follow them too. But with an empty trailer they're screwed in high winds. I was thinking of passing one in Chicago snowstorm but the back drifted just a bit so I slowed down and kept back. Sure enough a few minutes later a gust caught him and the trailer swung across a couple lanes and almost jackknifed. Driver did a great job of getting it straightened back out so kudos to him! That was a long ass stressful drive back home though. I was exhausted.",
">\n\nThis is why people would rush to the store to buy up things like eggs, bread, milk, butter, TP, paper towels, etc... Sure people always panic when it's just a little snow but overall, these types of storms are why.",
">\n\nAlso why it's good to have some canned/dried goods. I keep about 4-5 days worth of soups, canned goods, rice, ramen, clean it out every once in a while if it doesn't get used. It's not costly either, that stuff is fairly cheap. \nBut man, this is pretty crazy. I think the most I've ever been trapped (no driving ban, just felt safe to leave) was 3 days in 2010 for \"Snowmaggedon\", these poor folks are almost going on a week.",
">\n\nYou keep 4-5 days worth?... I feel like I may be a hoarder if 4-5 days is considered a good amount.",
">\n\n4-5 days worth of food is nothing. I live in Louisiana and that’s the bare minimum in my opinion.",
">\n\nI'm pretty sure we have a month's worth of food all combined. Lots of dried beans and rice too. For me, it's to be prepared, and because of the poverty I've experienced, where all my food was from the food bank.",
">\n\nThat's very smart. Dried beans and rice are heaven when you have ZERO access. People don't understand that. it's not about what you want to eat in a disaster, its about eating high caloric/protein meals and staying adequately 'full', or, at the very least, having enough food to have some energy output.",
">\n\nAnother thing is maintaining a more positive mental state. When you don't meet the daily nutritive threshold it can mess with your head. Bad thought loops are the last thing you need in a natural disaster.",
">\n\nThis is 100 why I keep 'mental health food' in my pantry. A chocolate bar. Liquid IVs. Canned fruit. Stuff I know will boost me when I'm low. It helped so much during Ida.",
">\n\nEvery business that stayed open and didn't give their employees the option to stay home should be prosecuted. These people would t have been out in this if it wasn't for fear of losing their jobs. It's disgusting.",
">\n\nToo bad our elected officials don't represent their constituents' interests. Or rather they consider the businesses their constuents, rather than the voters.",
">\n\n\nOr rather they consider the businesses their constituents, rather than the voters.\n\nConservatives make no secret at all about this, and their voters are very straightforward about valuing business owners over regular people.",
">\n\nIt's not just conservatives, sadly. Both parties represent corporations over human beings.",
">\n\nTrue, but conservatives have turned the \"small business owner\" into an identity that they leverage against anybody who might need any sort of govt protections; the narrative is always that JimBob's Tire Emporium will go under if he has to pay over $8/hour or offer insurance. They all see themselves as JimBob. It's a really good trick.\nDems are for sure corrupt and support a lot of corporate agenda items but they campaign on individual wage and debt issues and do actually pass legislation. They're less psychopathic.",
">\n\nAnd yet conservative's talk about small business that way, but vote every damn time to make sure that larger companies get advantages - and those small businesses fail.",
">\n\nSo do Dems. Follow the money, both parties are propped up by the foulest industries and that isn't even considering dark money and super PACS.",
">\n\nI do, but I also look at the voting records. We need to get more people to run under \"Working Families\"that arent just \"better than the worse\" of the democrats.",
">\n\nLowes doesn't care. Still forcing employees to come in",
">\n\nI recently learned from a former Lowe’s employee that they have some sort of agreement with the government to be considered essential so that people and emergency services can get generators and equipment from them",
">\n\njesus, that's a lot of fucking snow \nlooking at that i'm having a mild ptsd from the four straight days of shoveling/blowing last week here in northern WI",
">\n\nHi fellow Northwoods resident!\nThe blow snow is the worst part. Stupid snow drifts. \nAlthough. My subdivision went from an open field to a street full of houses this summer. So the drifting is down considerably.",
">\n\nWyoming enters the chat Someone talking about snowdrifts? The jackalopes have it tough this year.",
">\n\nJesus I saw that Cheyenne dropped 32 degrees in temp in 10 minutes. That is seriously insane weather.",
">\n\nIt was awesome! \nDay after tomorrow quotes for a week! \nWe never lost power so it was a win. What's funny is that it was around 25 this morning. Still wearing short sleeve shirts after the last frost. It was crazy! Hope y'all are safe.",
">\n\nOne wonders if there is a list of missing people and if so, how long the list is",
">\n\nI saw a fucked up video of people coming across someone frozen on the ground.",
">\n\nThat's cold asf",
">\n\nYeah both what they were saying and acting and the fact the person froze to death.",
">\n\nI once slept outside in 5 to 10 degree weather, I hope all the homeless got somewhere warm.",
">\n\n\"Poloncarz, a Democrat, called the blizzard \"the worst storm probably in our lifetime,\" even for an area known for heavy snow. More bodies are expected to be found as the snow is cleared or melts.\" \nWtf does their political affiliation have to do with anything? \n\"Jeff here, who loves cheese, was devastated when his wife was unable to be rescued from her car\".",
">\n\nPeople need to know if they should agree or disagree with the statement about the storm.",
">\n\nWhat?!? He’s a democrat? \nThat’s all I needed to hear to know that this definitely was NOT the worst storm in the city’s history, typical democrat fear mongering.\nTheres no more bodies to find, but I’m sure the democrats will claim they found more bodies just to justify more government spending. They’ll be counting people that died 3 weeks ago as storm deaths. They count bodies the same way they count votes for Biden. LGB!!\n/s",
">\n\nRemenber: whatever out there isn't worth your life",
">\n\nWell said, just chill at your home safely till the storm reduces",
">\n\nMany houses do not have power and people are trying to get to the safety of a community shelter.",
">\n\nThis is true as well",
">\n\nI’m in buffalo we had no power for 74 hours and needed gas to run a generator to stay warm, to survive you have to make choices. There wasn’t even 911 services for the entire city for days.",
">\n\nIt's insane to me they announced no emergency services. It was like 48 hours. All the bodegas near me on the west side got robbed, pretty crazy.",
">\n\nIt is insane, and public services have to warn people and risk the looting. The government is a construct that's a failure when its needed lately. It's not going to get any better either...",
">\n\nThis is not the time to play on the roads, so stay off them",
">\n\nKind of hard to do that if you live in your car.",
">\n\nmy hometown 💔 my sister is still snowed in and had to walk to wegmans to try and get supplies. i really wish i could help",
">\n\nDoesn't help homeless people who have no choice.",
">\n\nMeanwhile, Starbucks etc. demanding to know why employees aren't clocked in",
">\n\nI happened to have my plans messed up from the weather, so I was chillin solo on Xmas. I couldn’t believe my local Starbucks was open. Give em a day, Jeaz! No one is missing Starbucks that day.",
">\n\nRight?\nI mean, it's one thing to be open on a holiday in a busy travel area, especially if you have staff who celebrate other holidays -- but floods, shootings, blizzards, holidays (where it's not necessary or at not busy stores). Pretty sure there is something in the \"How to Be Corporate\" manual that demands stores be open in the most ridiculous situations without exception; in fact, that more ridiculous the more critical it is for the store to be fully staffed :/",
">\n\nFor the people looking in from outside the area, the people of WNY take pride in being able to survive storms with minimal disruption. And remember that we just got thru a monumental storm just before thanksgiving. But unless you are at least 55 yrs old you can’t really remember conditions like those of last week. It was on a whole different level and all the local weatherman warnings about it’s impending severity couldn’t convince a large number of the population. The fact that they hype up a normal lake effect snow storm every 10 days may have played a small part in people disregarding the warnings but that’s a whole other conversation.",
">\n\nThe size of the Low and the massive pressure gradient between it and the cold high behind it was absolutely nuts.",
">\n\n\"but you're still coming in for your shift, right?\" - management",
">\n\nThese managers and store owners should be prosecuted and go to jail.",
">\n\nI'm looking forward to the several lawsuits from employees over their bosses making them show up to work.",
">\n\nThe people at those jobs don't have the means to sue. And if they do the company will stretch it out requiring court appearances but the employee doesn't have that many sick and vacation days so they either show up and lose their job or give up. People can't go that long without work to fight back against the evil bastards. The only chance is a large class action or if the business gets enough bad publicity that they settle.",
">\n\nSo did folks stock up on supplies before this thing hit? If you can't drive you can't get to the grocery store or pharmacy.",
">\n\nThis is why they say you should have 2 weeks worth of non-perishable food at home at all times. Even if it's just soup or pasta. Because there will come a time when you're stuck for several days and everything is shut down. I know it sucks because so many are living paycheck to paycheck, but it's important to have that little stash of food (and medicine).",
">\n\nExactly. Everyone should have an emergency kit.",
">\n\nYou know how bad it is after you learn Buffalo is a place that is no stranger to snow, cold snaps and blizzards.",
">\n\nMy mum couldn’t understand why there have been so many deaths and as someone who’s only been following the situation from a distance I couldn’t really give her a confident answer. Are people dying from being caught in the blizzard outside? Are they trapped inside with no heating or supplies and succumbing to the cold? Is it primarily elderly people? Was this storm foreseen and were people warned to be prepared?",
">\n\nThe snow was so bad, people got stuck on the road. For over 24 hours there were NO emergency services available because ALL their vehicles were stuck. People froze to death or died from carbon monoxide b/c they ran their motors for heat.\nWe has sustained 75mph winds on Friday that immediately knock power out, and heat for those without gas. Water pipes broke. Fires. People became disoriented walking & just fell over & died. The snow was heavy, so shoveling caused heart attacks.\nNo one could prepare us for this. I have lived in the Buffalo area for 54 years. I have seen storms, but not like this.",
">\n\nWe have gas heat but it’s forced air so no power= no heat. (Luckily we only had power flicker a few times- houses down the street lost power). \nI said elsewhere- I’ve never been in a situation where we were told “no emergency services- you’re on your own”. Maybe it happened in ‘77 but I was 5 then and I honestly don’t remember the storm.",
">\n\nI was 9 in '77 so I don't remember a lot either. I was also in Chautauqua county then & like this storm, it wasn't as bad down there. \nI am in Southtowns now. I agree 100% that this is a storm like no other in my lifetime. First the 5+ feet of snow a couple weeks ago, now this.\nWe were lucky too. I am SO GLAD you survived!🙏 Too many sad stories that didn't need to happen, and on Christmas no less. Peace & Go Bills!",
">\n\nThis is exactly why I hate snow. I know it's fun to ski and make snowmen and have snow ball fights. It's when you have to clear the snow due to it hindering something or drive in it, deaths result.",
">\n\nNo hair, our skin hurts in low temps, Our noses dont work under low humidity. For all intents and purposes, humans aren't meant to live in the cold.",
">\n\nEmployers:”Walk your ass to work. I’ll see you when the snow dies down because I took vacation.”"
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"Well yes, but can you still come in? We're short-staffed. Be a team player! It's only a bit of snow!"
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[
"31 deaths is crazy… stay safe out there!",
">\n\nI'm in Ohio and had to be the bad guy to my in-laws by saying we weren't coming to Christmas Eve, then they called the next day and said it took them an hour to drive 10 minutes home from the dinner we skipped and how dangerous it was. \nSome people gotta touch an oven to see if it's hot when you tell them ¯\\ಠಠ_/¯",
">\n\nAlso in Ohio. Called out of work the day of the storm even though it was only a 15 min drive away. Roads were still not cleared fully 2 days later.",
">\n\nI called out on Friday, I do not like my job enough to risk my life for it, especially during the holiday rush.",
">\n\nDon't get me wrong. My job is great and it pays well. But money is money and it'll cost a lot more for my loved ones to arrange my funeral than it would for me to miss a day of work.",
">\n\nI’m in BC where we got hit pretty bad last week, and my ethos was, “I get paid less in a day than my car insurance deductible costs”",
">\n\nHaha I’m gonna remember this",
">\n\nEmergency services were turned off for 2 days during the storm. The city was completely inaccessible so if you get into an accident you're on your own. My street (a main street in the heart of the west side) had a snow drift as high a stoplight blocking all access. Down the way was an abandoned semitruck blocking the entire road as well as other abandoned cars sprinkled across the landscape completely buried in snow. Trees fallen everywhere too. The whole city was like this.\nI knew it was going to be bad but this one was BAD",
">\n\nYou’ve been hit hard twice and it’s only December. Do you think about moving? Just curious. I live in Maine but come from Rochester NY and I don’t think I could deal with that level of disaster anymore.",
">\n\nGrew up in Rochester as well, moved to Southern Louisiana to get away from the snow. In the 90's I got cuaght several times on the stretch of 90 between Buffalo and Erie and wasn't sure I'd make it home. The snow through there is crazy, I would just follow a semi at a distance and if he went off the road I knew to stop.",
">\n\ndriving around with Semi-traction can be a bit dangerous sometimes.",
">\n\nIf they've got a full load they do better than cars and have more experienced drivers so I follow them too. But with an empty trailer they're screwed in high winds. I was thinking of passing one in Chicago snowstorm but the back drifted just a bit so I slowed down and kept back. Sure enough a few minutes later a gust caught him and the trailer swung across a couple lanes and almost jackknifed. Driver did a great job of getting it straightened back out so kudos to him! That was a long ass stressful drive back home though. I was exhausted.",
">\n\nThis is why people would rush to the store to buy up things like eggs, bread, milk, butter, TP, paper towels, etc... Sure people always panic when it's just a little snow but overall, these types of storms are why.",
">\n\nAlso why it's good to have some canned/dried goods. I keep about 4-5 days worth of soups, canned goods, rice, ramen, clean it out every once in a while if it doesn't get used. It's not costly either, that stuff is fairly cheap. \nBut man, this is pretty crazy. I think the most I've ever been trapped (no driving ban, just felt safe to leave) was 3 days in 2010 for \"Snowmaggedon\", these poor folks are almost going on a week.",
">\n\nYou keep 4-5 days worth?... I feel like I may be a hoarder if 4-5 days is considered a good amount.",
">\n\n4-5 days worth of food is nothing. I live in Louisiana and that’s the bare minimum in my opinion.",
">\n\nI'm pretty sure we have a month's worth of food all combined. Lots of dried beans and rice too. For me, it's to be prepared, and because of the poverty I've experienced, where all my food was from the food bank.",
">\n\nThat's very smart. Dried beans and rice are heaven when you have ZERO access. People don't understand that. it's not about what you want to eat in a disaster, its about eating high caloric/protein meals and staying adequately 'full', or, at the very least, having enough food to have some energy output.",
">\n\nAnother thing is maintaining a more positive mental state. When you don't meet the daily nutritive threshold it can mess with your head. Bad thought loops are the last thing you need in a natural disaster.",
">\n\nThis is 100 why I keep 'mental health food' in my pantry. A chocolate bar. Liquid IVs. Canned fruit. Stuff I know will boost me when I'm low. It helped so much during Ida.",
">\n\nEvery business that stayed open and didn't give their employees the option to stay home should be prosecuted. These people would t have been out in this if it wasn't for fear of losing their jobs. It's disgusting.",
">\n\nToo bad our elected officials don't represent their constituents' interests. Or rather they consider the businesses their constuents, rather than the voters.",
">\n\n\nOr rather they consider the businesses their constituents, rather than the voters.\n\nConservatives make no secret at all about this, and their voters are very straightforward about valuing business owners over regular people.",
">\n\nIt's not just conservatives, sadly. Both parties represent corporations over human beings.",
">\n\nTrue, but conservatives have turned the \"small business owner\" into an identity that they leverage against anybody who might need any sort of govt protections; the narrative is always that JimBob's Tire Emporium will go under if he has to pay over $8/hour or offer insurance. They all see themselves as JimBob. It's a really good trick.\nDems are for sure corrupt and support a lot of corporate agenda items but they campaign on individual wage and debt issues and do actually pass legislation. They're less psychopathic.",
">\n\nAnd yet conservative's talk about small business that way, but vote every damn time to make sure that larger companies get advantages - and those small businesses fail.",
">\n\nSo do Dems. Follow the money, both parties are propped up by the foulest industries and that isn't even considering dark money and super PACS.",
">\n\nI do, but I also look at the voting records. We need to get more people to run under \"Working Families\"that arent just \"better than the worse\" of the democrats.",
">\n\nLowes doesn't care. Still forcing employees to come in",
">\n\nI recently learned from a former Lowe’s employee that they have some sort of agreement with the government to be considered essential so that people and emergency services can get generators and equipment from them",
">\n\njesus, that's a lot of fucking snow \nlooking at that i'm having a mild ptsd from the four straight days of shoveling/blowing last week here in northern WI",
">\n\nHi fellow Northwoods resident!\nThe blow snow is the worst part. Stupid snow drifts. \nAlthough. My subdivision went from an open field to a street full of houses this summer. So the drifting is down considerably.",
">\n\nWyoming enters the chat Someone talking about snowdrifts? The jackalopes have it tough this year.",
">\n\nJesus I saw that Cheyenne dropped 32 degrees in temp in 10 minutes. That is seriously insane weather.",
">\n\nIt was awesome! \nDay after tomorrow quotes for a week! \nWe never lost power so it was a win. What's funny is that it was around 25 this morning. Still wearing short sleeve shirts after the last frost. It was crazy! Hope y'all are safe.",
">\n\nOne wonders if there is a list of missing people and if so, how long the list is",
">\n\nI saw a fucked up video of people coming across someone frozen on the ground.",
">\n\nThat's cold asf",
">\n\nYeah both what they were saying and acting and the fact the person froze to death.",
">\n\nI once slept outside in 5 to 10 degree weather, I hope all the homeless got somewhere warm.",
">\n\n\"Poloncarz, a Democrat, called the blizzard \"the worst storm probably in our lifetime,\" even for an area known for heavy snow. More bodies are expected to be found as the snow is cleared or melts.\" \nWtf does their political affiliation have to do with anything? \n\"Jeff here, who loves cheese, was devastated when his wife was unable to be rescued from her car\".",
">\n\nPeople need to know if they should agree or disagree with the statement about the storm.",
">\n\nWhat?!? He’s a democrat? \nThat’s all I needed to hear to know that this definitely was NOT the worst storm in the city’s history, typical democrat fear mongering.\nTheres no more bodies to find, but I’m sure the democrats will claim they found more bodies just to justify more government spending. They’ll be counting people that died 3 weeks ago as storm deaths. They count bodies the same way they count votes for Biden. LGB!!\n/s",
">\n\nRemenber: whatever out there isn't worth your life",
">\n\nWell said, just chill at your home safely till the storm reduces",
">\n\nMany houses do not have power and people are trying to get to the safety of a community shelter.",
">\n\nThis is true as well",
">\n\nI’m in buffalo we had no power for 74 hours and needed gas to run a generator to stay warm, to survive you have to make choices. There wasn’t even 911 services for the entire city for days.",
">\n\nIt's insane to me they announced no emergency services. It was like 48 hours. All the bodegas near me on the west side got robbed, pretty crazy.",
">\n\nIt is insane, and public services have to warn people and risk the looting. The government is a construct that's a failure when its needed lately. It's not going to get any better either...",
">\n\nThis is not the time to play on the roads, so stay off them",
">\n\nKind of hard to do that if you live in your car.",
">\n\nmy hometown 💔 my sister is still snowed in and had to walk to wegmans to try and get supplies. i really wish i could help",
">\n\nDoesn't help homeless people who have no choice.",
">\n\nMeanwhile, Starbucks etc. demanding to know why employees aren't clocked in",
">\n\nI happened to have my plans messed up from the weather, so I was chillin solo on Xmas. I couldn’t believe my local Starbucks was open. Give em a day, Jeaz! No one is missing Starbucks that day.",
">\n\nRight?\nI mean, it's one thing to be open on a holiday in a busy travel area, especially if you have staff who celebrate other holidays -- but floods, shootings, blizzards, holidays (where it's not necessary or at not busy stores). Pretty sure there is something in the \"How to Be Corporate\" manual that demands stores be open in the most ridiculous situations without exception; in fact, that more ridiculous the more critical it is for the store to be fully staffed :/",
">\n\nFor the people looking in from outside the area, the people of WNY take pride in being able to survive storms with minimal disruption. And remember that we just got thru a monumental storm just before thanksgiving. But unless you are at least 55 yrs old you can’t really remember conditions like those of last week. It was on a whole different level and all the local weatherman warnings about it’s impending severity couldn’t convince a large number of the population. The fact that they hype up a normal lake effect snow storm every 10 days may have played a small part in people disregarding the warnings but that’s a whole other conversation.",
">\n\nThe size of the Low and the massive pressure gradient between it and the cold high behind it was absolutely nuts.",
">\n\n\"but you're still coming in for your shift, right?\" - management",
">\n\nThese managers and store owners should be prosecuted and go to jail.",
">\n\nI'm looking forward to the several lawsuits from employees over their bosses making them show up to work.",
">\n\nThe people at those jobs don't have the means to sue. And if they do the company will stretch it out requiring court appearances but the employee doesn't have that many sick and vacation days so they either show up and lose their job or give up. People can't go that long without work to fight back against the evil bastards. The only chance is a large class action or if the business gets enough bad publicity that they settle.",
">\n\nSo did folks stock up on supplies before this thing hit? If you can't drive you can't get to the grocery store or pharmacy.",
">\n\nThis is why they say you should have 2 weeks worth of non-perishable food at home at all times. Even if it's just soup or pasta. Because there will come a time when you're stuck for several days and everything is shut down. I know it sucks because so many are living paycheck to paycheck, but it's important to have that little stash of food (and medicine).",
">\n\nExactly. Everyone should have an emergency kit.",
">\n\nYou know how bad it is after you learn Buffalo is a place that is no stranger to snow, cold snaps and blizzards.",
">\n\nMy mum couldn’t understand why there have been so many deaths and as someone who’s only been following the situation from a distance I couldn’t really give her a confident answer. Are people dying from being caught in the blizzard outside? Are they trapped inside with no heating or supplies and succumbing to the cold? Is it primarily elderly people? Was this storm foreseen and were people warned to be prepared?",
">\n\nThe snow was so bad, people got stuck on the road. For over 24 hours there were NO emergency services available because ALL their vehicles were stuck. People froze to death or died from carbon monoxide b/c they ran their motors for heat.\nWe has sustained 75mph winds on Friday that immediately knock power out, and heat for those without gas. Water pipes broke. Fires. People became disoriented walking & just fell over & died. The snow was heavy, so shoveling caused heart attacks.\nNo one could prepare us for this. I have lived in the Buffalo area for 54 years. I have seen storms, but not like this.",
">\n\nWe have gas heat but it’s forced air so no power= no heat. (Luckily we only had power flicker a few times- houses down the street lost power). \nI said elsewhere- I’ve never been in a situation where we were told “no emergency services- you’re on your own”. Maybe it happened in ‘77 but I was 5 then and I honestly don’t remember the storm.",
">\n\nI was 9 in '77 so I don't remember a lot either. I was also in Chautauqua county then & like this storm, it wasn't as bad down there. \nI am in Southtowns now. I agree 100% that this is a storm like no other in my lifetime. First the 5+ feet of snow a couple weeks ago, now this.\nWe were lucky too. I am SO GLAD you survived!🙏 Too many sad stories that didn't need to happen, and on Christmas no less. Peace & Go Bills!",
">\n\nThis is exactly why I hate snow. I know it's fun to ski and make snowmen and have snow ball fights. It's when you have to clear the snow due to it hindering something or drive in it, deaths result.",
">\n\nNo hair, our skin hurts in low temps, Our noses dont work under low humidity. For all intents and purposes, humans aren't meant to live in the cold.",
">\n\nEmployers:”Walk your ass to work. I’ll see you when the snow dies down because I took vacation.”",
">\n\nSome of those dead must be chili's managers who blew a blood vessel screaming at min wage workers that this storm \" wasn't that bad\" and \" we are going to be crazy busy\""
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Biggest issue people don’t understand; when you “have to” go to a store or run an errand and you get into an accident, you call 911.
Those first responders shouldn’t be dealing with you right now, they should be trying to rescue any trapped victims that might still be alive.
Stop being selfish, stay off the roads and if you actually need something, ask neighbors for help, pool your resources and become a better community while others are given a chance to survive.
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[
"31 deaths is crazy… stay safe out there!",
">\n\nI'm in Ohio and had to be the bad guy to my in-laws by saying we weren't coming to Christmas Eve, then they called the next day and said it took them an hour to drive 10 minutes home from the dinner we skipped and how dangerous it was. \nSome people gotta touch an oven to see if it's hot when you tell them ¯\\ಠಠ_/¯",
">\n\nAlso in Ohio. Called out of work the day of the storm even though it was only a 15 min drive away. Roads were still not cleared fully 2 days later.",
">\n\nI called out on Friday, I do not like my job enough to risk my life for it, especially during the holiday rush.",
">\n\nDon't get me wrong. My job is great and it pays well. But money is money and it'll cost a lot more for my loved ones to arrange my funeral than it would for me to miss a day of work.",
">\n\nI’m in BC where we got hit pretty bad last week, and my ethos was, “I get paid less in a day than my car insurance deductible costs”",
">\n\nHaha I’m gonna remember this",
">\n\nEmergency services were turned off for 2 days during the storm. The city was completely inaccessible so if you get into an accident you're on your own. My street (a main street in the heart of the west side) had a snow drift as high a stoplight blocking all access. Down the way was an abandoned semitruck blocking the entire road as well as other abandoned cars sprinkled across the landscape completely buried in snow. Trees fallen everywhere too. The whole city was like this.\nI knew it was going to be bad but this one was BAD",
">\n\nYou’ve been hit hard twice and it’s only December. Do you think about moving? Just curious. I live in Maine but come from Rochester NY and I don’t think I could deal with that level of disaster anymore.",
">\n\nGrew up in Rochester as well, moved to Southern Louisiana to get away from the snow. In the 90's I got cuaght several times on the stretch of 90 between Buffalo and Erie and wasn't sure I'd make it home. The snow through there is crazy, I would just follow a semi at a distance and if he went off the road I knew to stop.",
">\n\ndriving around with Semi-traction can be a bit dangerous sometimes.",
">\n\nIf they've got a full load they do better than cars and have more experienced drivers so I follow them too. But with an empty trailer they're screwed in high winds. I was thinking of passing one in Chicago snowstorm but the back drifted just a bit so I slowed down and kept back. Sure enough a few minutes later a gust caught him and the trailer swung across a couple lanes and almost jackknifed. Driver did a great job of getting it straightened back out so kudos to him! That was a long ass stressful drive back home though. I was exhausted.",
">\n\nThis is why people would rush to the store to buy up things like eggs, bread, milk, butter, TP, paper towels, etc... Sure people always panic when it's just a little snow but overall, these types of storms are why.",
">\n\nAlso why it's good to have some canned/dried goods. I keep about 4-5 days worth of soups, canned goods, rice, ramen, clean it out every once in a while if it doesn't get used. It's not costly either, that stuff is fairly cheap. \nBut man, this is pretty crazy. I think the most I've ever been trapped (no driving ban, just felt safe to leave) was 3 days in 2010 for \"Snowmaggedon\", these poor folks are almost going on a week.",
">\n\nYou keep 4-5 days worth?... I feel like I may be a hoarder if 4-5 days is considered a good amount.",
">\n\n4-5 days worth of food is nothing. I live in Louisiana and that’s the bare minimum in my opinion.",
">\n\nI'm pretty sure we have a month's worth of food all combined. Lots of dried beans and rice too. For me, it's to be prepared, and because of the poverty I've experienced, where all my food was from the food bank.",
">\n\nThat's very smart. Dried beans and rice are heaven when you have ZERO access. People don't understand that. it's not about what you want to eat in a disaster, its about eating high caloric/protein meals and staying adequately 'full', or, at the very least, having enough food to have some energy output.",
">\n\nAnother thing is maintaining a more positive mental state. When you don't meet the daily nutritive threshold it can mess with your head. Bad thought loops are the last thing you need in a natural disaster.",
">\n\nThis is 100 why I keep 'mental health food' in my pantry. A chocolate bar. Liquid IVs. Canned fruit. Stuff I know will boost me when I'm low. It helped so much during Ida.",
">\n\nEvery business that stayed open and didn't give their employees the option to stay home should be prosecuted. These people would t have been out in this if it wasn't for fear of losing their jobs. It's disgusting.",
">\n\nToo bad our elected officials don't represent their constituents' interests. Or rather they consider the businesses their constuents, rather than the voters.",
">\n\n\nOr rather they consider the businesses their constituents, rather than the voters.\n\nConservatives make no secret at all about this, and their voters are very straightforward about valuing business owners over regular people.",
">\n\nIt's not just conservatives, sadly. Both parties represent corporations over human beings.",
">\n\nTrue, but conservatives have turned the \"small business owner\" into an identity that they leverage against anybody who might need any sort of govt protections; the narrative is always that JimBob's Tire Emporium will go under if he has to pay over $8/hour or offer insurance. They all see themselves as JimBob. It's a really good trick.\nDems are for sure corrupt and support a lot of corporate agenda items but they campaign on individual wage and debt issues and do actually pass legislation. They're less psychopathic.",
">\n\nAnd yet conservative's talk about small business that way, but vote every damn time to make sure that larger companies get advantages - and those small businesses fail.",
">\n\nSo do Dems. Follow the money, both parties are propped up by the foulest industries and that isn't even considering dark money and super PACS.",
">\n\nI do, but I also look at the voting records. We need to get more people to run under \"Working Families\"that arent just \"better than the worse\" of the democrats.",
">\n\nLowes doesn't care. Still forcing employees to come in",
">\n\nI recently learned from a former Lowe’s employee that they have some sort of agreement with the government to be considered essential so that people and emergency services can get generators and equipment from them",
">\n\njesus, that's a lot of fucking snow \nlooking at that i'm having a mild ptsd from the four straight days of shoveling/blowing last week here in northern WI",
">\n\nHi fellow Northwoods resident!\nThe blow snow is the worst part. Stupid snow drifts. \nAlthough. My subdivision went from an open field to a street full of houses this summer. So the drifting is down considerably.",
">\n\nWyoming enters the chat Someone talking about snowdrifts? The jackalopes have it tough this year.",
">\n\nJesus I saw that Cheyenne dropped 32 degrees in temp in 10 minutes. That is seriously insane weather.",
">\n\nIt was awesome! \nDay after tomorrow quotes for a week! \nWe never lost power so it was a win. What's funny is that it was around 25 this morning. Still wearing short sleeve shirts after the last frost. It was crazy! Hope y'all are safe.",
">\n\nOne wonders if there is a list of missing people and if so, how long the list is",
">\n\nI saw a fucked up video of people coming across someone frozen on the ground.",
">\n\nThat's cold asf",
">\n\nYeah both what they were saying and acting and the fact the person froze to death.",
">\n\nI once slept outside in 5 to 10 degree weather, I hope all the homeless got somewhere warm.",
">\n\n\"Poloncarz, a Democrat, called the blizzard \"the worst storm probably in our lifetime,\" even for an area known for heavy snow. More bodies are expected to be found as the snow is cleared or melts.\" \nWtf does their political affiliation have to do with anything? \n\"Jeff here, who loves cheese, was devastated when his wife was unable to be rescued from her car\".",
">\n\nPeople need to know if they should agree or disagree with the statement about the storm.",
">\n\nWhat?!? He’s a democrat? \nThat’s all I needed to hear to know that this definitely was NOT the worst storm in the city’s history, typical democrat fear mongering.\nTheres no more bodies to find, but I’m sure the democrats will claim they found more bodies just to justify more government spending. They’ll be counting people that died 3 weeks ago as storm deaths. They count bodies the same way they count votes for Biden. LGB!!\n/s",
">\n\nRemenber: whatever out there isn't worth your life",
">\n\nWell said, just chill at your home safely till the storm reduces",
">\n\nMany houses do not have power and people are trying to get to the safety of a community shelter.",
">\n\nThis is true as well",
">\n\nI’m in buffalo we had no power for 74 hours and needed gas to run a generator to stay warm, to survive you have to make choices. There wasn’t even 911 services for the entire city for days.",
">\n\nIt's insane to me they announced no emergency services. It was like 48 hours. All the bodegas near me on the west side got robbed, pretty crazy.",
">\n\nIt is insane, and public services have to warn people and risk the looting. The government is a construct that's a failure when its needed lately. It's not going to get any better either...",
">\n\nThis is not the time to play on the roads, so stay off them",
">\n\nKind of hard to do that if you live in your car.",
">\n\nmy hometown 💔 my sister is still snowed in and had to walk to wegmans to try and get supplies. i really wish i could help",
">\n\nDoesn't help homeless people who have no choice.",
">\n\nMeanwhile, Starbucks etc. demanding to know why employees aren't clocked in",
">\n\nI happened to have my plans messed up from the weather, so I was chillin solo on Xmas. I couldn’t believe my local Starbucks was open. Give em a day, Jeaz! No one is missing Starbucks that day.",
">\n\nRight?\nI mean, it's one thing to be open on a holiday in a busy travel area, especially if you have staff who celebrate other holidays -- but floods, shootings, blizzards, holidays (where it's not necessary or at not busy stores). Pretty sure there is something in the \"How to Be Corporate\" manual that demands stores be open in the most ridiculous situations without exception; in fact, that more ridiculous the more critical it is for the store to be fully staffed :/",
">\n\nFor the people looking in from outside the area, the people of WNY take pride in being able to survive storms with minimal disruption. And remember that we just got thru a monumental storm just before thanksgiving. But unless you are at least 55 yrs old you can’t really remember conditions like those of last week. It was on a whole different level and all the local weatherman warnings about it’s impending severity couldn’t convince a large number of the population. The fact that they hype up a normal lake effect snow storm every 10 days may have played a small part in people disregarding the warnings but that’s a whole other conversation.",
">\n\nThe size of the Low and the massive pressure gradient between it and the cold high behind it was absolutely nuts.",
">\n\n\"but you're still coming in for your shift, right?\" - management",
">\n\nThese managers and store owners should be prosecuted and go to jail.",
">\n\nI'm looking forward to the several lawsuits from employees over their bosses making them show up to work.",
">\n\nThe people at those jobs don't have the means to sue. And if they do the company will stretch it out requiring court appearances but the employee doesn't have that many sick and vacation days so they either show up and lose their job or give up. People can't go that long without work to fight back against the evil bastards. The only chance is a large class action or if the business gets enough bad publicity that they settle.",
">\n\nSo did folks stock up on supplies before this thing hit? If you can't drive you can't get to the grocery store or pharmacy.",
">\n\nThis is why they say you should have 2 weeks worth of non-perishable food at home at all times. Even if it's just soup or pasta. Because there will come a time when you're stuck for several days and everything is shut down. I know it sucks because so many are living paycheck to paycheck, but it's important to have that little stash of food (and medicine).",
">\n\nExactly. Everyone should have an emergency kit.",
">\n\nYou know how bad it is after you learn Buffalo is a place that is no stranger to snow, cold snaps and blizzards.",
">\n\nMy mum couldn’t understand why there have been so many deaths and as someone who’s only been following the situation from a distance I couldn’t really give her a confident answer. Are people dying from being caught in the blizzard outside? Are they trapped inside with no heating or supplies and succumbing to the cold? Is it primarily elderly people? Was this storm foreseen and were people warned to be prepared?",
">\n\nThe snow was so bad, people got stuck on the road. For over 24 hours there were NO emergency services available because ALL their vehicles were stuck. People froze to death or died from carbon monoxide b/c they ran their motors for heat.\nWe has sustained 75mph winds on Friday that immediately knock power out, and heat for those without gas. Water pipes broke. Fires. People became disoriented walking & just fell over & died. The snow was heavy, so shoveling caused heart attacks.\nNo one could prepare us for this. I have lived in the Buffalo area for 54 years. I have seen storms, but not like this.",
">\n\nWe have gas heat but it’s forced air so no power= no heat. (Luckily we only had power flicker a few times- houses down the street lost power). \nI said elsewhere- I’ve never been in a situation where we were told “no emergency services- you’re on your own”. Maybe it happened in ‘77 but I was 5 then and I honestly don’t remember the storm.",
">\n\nI was 9 in '77 so I don't remember a lot either. I was also in Chautauqua county then & like this storm, it wasn't as bad down there. \nI am in Southtowns now. I agree 100% that this is a storm like no other in my lifetime. First the 5+ feet of snow a couple weeks ago, now this.\nWe were lucky too. I am SO GLAD you survived!🙏 Too many sad stories that didn't need to happen, and on Christmas no less. Peace & Go Bills!",
">\n\nThis is exactly why I hate snow. I know it's fun to ski and make snowmen and have snow ball fights. It's when you have to clear the snow due to it hindering something or drive in it, deaths result.",
">\n\nNo hair, our skin hurts in low temps, Our noses dont work under low humidity. For all intents and purposes, humans aren't meant to live in the cold.",
">\n\nEmployers:”Walk your ass to work. I’ll see you when the snow dies down because I took vacation.”",
">\n\nSome of those dead must be chili's managers who blew a blood vessel screaming at min wage workers that this storm \" wasn't that bad\" and \" we are going to be crazy busy\"",
">\n\n\"Well yes, but can you still come in? We're short-staffed. Be a team player! It's only a bit of snow!\""
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Emergency services were turned off for 2 days during the storm. The city was completely inaccessible so if you get into an accident you're on your own. My street (a main street in the heart of the west side) had a snow drift as high a stoplight blocking all access. Down the way was an abandoned semitruck blocking the entire road as well as other abandoned cars sprinkled across the landscape. The whole city was like this.
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"31 deaths is crazy… stay safe out there!",
">\n\nI'm in Ohio and had to be the bad guy to my in-laws by saying we weren't coming to Christmas Eve, then they called the next day and said it took them an hour to drive 10 minutes home from the dinner we skipped and how dangerous it was. \nSome people gotta touch an oven to see if it's hot when you tell them ¯\\ಠಠ_/¯",
">\n\nAlso in Ohio. Called out of work the day of the storm even though it was only a 15 min drive away. Roads were still not cleared fully 2 days later.",
">\n\nI called out on Friday, I do not like my job enough to risk my life for it, especially during the holiday rush.",
">\n\nDon't get me wrong. My job is great and it pays well. But money is money and it'll cost a lot more for my loved ones to arrange my funeral than it would for me to miss a day of work.",
">\n\nI’m in BC where we got hit pretty bad last week, and my ethos was, “I get paid less in a day than my car insurance deductible costs”",
">\n\nHaha I’m gonna remember this",
">\n\nEmergency services were turned off for 2 days during the storm. The city was completely inaccessible so if you get into an accident you're on your own. My street (a main street in the heart of the west side) had a snow drift as high a stoplight blocking all access. Down the way was an abandoned semitruck blocking the entire road as well as other abandoned cars sprinkled across the landscape completely buried in snow. Trees fallen everywhere too. The whole city was like this.\nI knew it was going to be bad but this one was BAD",
">\n\nYou’ve been hit hard twice and it’s only December. Do you think about moving? Just curious. I live in Maine but come from Rochester NY and I don’t think I could deal with that level of disaster anymore.",
">\n\nGrew up in Rochester as well, moved to Southern Louisiana to get away from the snow. In the 90's I got cuaght several times on the stretch of 90 between Buffalo and Erie and wasn't sure I'd make it home. The snow through there is crazy, I would just follow a semi at a distance and if he went off the road I knew to stop.",
">\n\ndriving around with Semi-traction can be a bit dangerous sometimes.",
">\n\nIf they've got a full load they do better than cars and have more experienced drivers so I follow them too. But with an empty trailer they're screwed in high winds. I was thinking of passing one in Chicago snowstorm but the back drifted just a bit so I slowed down and kept back. Sure enough a few minutes later a gust caught him and the trailer swung across a couple lanes and almost jackknifed. Driver did a great job of getting it straightened back out so kudos to him! That was a long ass stressful drive back home though. I was exhausted.",
">\n\nThis is why people would rush to the store to buy up things like eggs, bread, milk, butter, TP, paper towels, etc... Sure people always panic when it's just a little snow but overall, these types of storms are why.",
">\n\nAlso why it's good to have some canned/dried goods. I keep about 4-5 days worth of soups, canned goods, rice, ramen, clean it out every once in a while if it doesn't get used. It's not costly either, that stuff is fairly cheap. \nBut man, this is pretty crazy. I think the most I've ever been trapped (no driving ban, just felt safe to leave) was 3 days in 2010 for \"Snowmaggedon\", these poor folks are almost going on a week.",
">\n\nYou keep 4-5 days worth?... I feel like I may be a hoarder if 4-5 days is considered a good amount.",
">\n\n4-5 days worth of food is nothing. I live in Louisiana and that’s the bare minimum in my opinion.",
">\n\nI'm pretty sure we have a month's worth of food all combined. Lots of dried beans and rice too. For me, it's to be prepared, and because of the poverty I've experienced, where all my food was from the food bank.",
">\n\nThat's very smart. Dried beans and rice are heaven when you have ZERO access. People don't understand that. it's not about what you want to eat in a disaster, its about eating high caloric/protein meals and staying adequately 'full', or, at the very least, having enough food to have some energy output.",
">\n\nAnother thing is maintaining a more positive mental state. When you don't meet the daily nutritive threshold it can mess with your head. Bad thought loops are the last thing you need in a natural disaster.",
">\n\nThis is 100 why I keep 'mental health food' in my pantry. A chocolate bar. Liquid IVs. Canned fruit. Stuff I know will boost me when I'm low. It helped so much during Ida.",
">\n\nEvery business that stayed open and didn't give their employees the option to stay home should be prosecuted. These people would t have been out in this if it wasn't for fear of losing their jobs. It's disgusting.",
">\n\nToo bad our elected officials don't represent their constituents' interests. Or rather they consider the businesses their constuents, rather than the voters.",
">\n\n\nOr rather they consider the businesses their constituents, rather than the voters.\n\nConservatives make no secret at all about this, and their voters are very straightforward about valuing business owners over regular people.",
">\n\nIt's not just conservatives, sadly. Both parties represent corporations over human beings.",
">\n\nTrue, but conservatives have turned the \"small business owner\" into an identity that they leverage against anybody who might need any sort of govt protections; the narrative is always that JimBob's Tire Emporium will go under if he has to pay over $8/hour or offer insurance. They all see themselves as JimBob. It's a really good trick.\nDems are for sure corrupt and support a lot of corporate agenda items but they campaign on individual wage and debt issues and do actually pass legislation. They're less psychopathic.",
">\n\nAnd yet conservative's talk about small business that way, but vote every damn time to make sure that larger companies get advantages - and those small businesses fail.",
">\n\nSo do Dems. Follow the money, both parties are propped up by the foulest industries and that isn't even considering dark money and super PACS.",
">\n\nI do, but I also look at the voting records. We need to get more people to run under \"Working Families\"that arent just \"better than the worse\" of the democrats.",
">\n\nLowes doesn't care. Still forcing employees to come in",
">\n\nI recently learned from a former Lowe’s employee that they have some sort of agreement with the government to be considered essential so that people and emergency services can get generators and equipment from them",
">\n\njesus, that's a lot of fucking snow \nlooking at that i'm having a mild ptsd from the four straight days of shoveling/blowing last week here in northern WI",
">\n\nHi fellow Northwoods resident!\nThe blow snow is the worst part. Stupid snow drifts. \nAlthough. My subdivision went from an open field to a street full of houses this summer. So the drifting is down considerably.",
">\n\nWyoming enters the chat Someone talking about snowdrifts? The jackalopes have it tough this year.",
">\n\nJesus I saw that Cheyenne dropped 32 degrees in temp in 10 minutes. That is seriously insane weather.",
">\n\nIt was awesome! \nDay after tomorrow quotes for a week! \nWe never lost power so it was a win. What's funny is that it was around 25 this morning. Still wearing short sleeve shirts after the last frost. It was crazy! Hope y'all are safe.",
">\n\nOne wonders if there is a list of missing people and if so, how long the list is",
">\n\nI saw a fucked up video of people coming across someone frozen on the ground.",
">\n\nThat's cold asf",
">\n\nYeah both what they were saying and acting and the fact the person froze to death.",
">\n\nI once slept outside in 5 to 10 degree weather, I hope all the homeless got somewhere warm.",
">\n\n\"Poloncarz, a Democrat, called the blizzard \"the worst storm probably in our lifetime,\" even for an area known for heavy snow. More bodies are expected to be found as the snow is cleared or melts.\" \nWtf does their political affiliation have to do with anything? \n\"Jeff here, who loves cheese, was devastated when his wife was unable to be rescued from her car\".",
">\n\nPeople need to know if they should agree or disagree with the statement about the storm.",
">\n\nWhat?!? He’s a democrat? \nThat’s all I needed to hear to know that this definitely was NOT the worst storm in the city’s history, typical democrat fear mongering.\nTheres no more bodies to find, but I’m sure the democrats will claim they found more bodies just to justify more government spending. They’ll be counting people that died 3 weeks ago as storm deaths. They count bodies the same way they count votes for Biden. LGB!!\n/s",
">\n\nRemenber: whatever out there isn't worth your life",
">\n\nWell said, just chill at your home safely till the storm reduces",
">\n\nMany houses do not have power and people are trying to get to the safety of a community shelter.",
">\n\nThis is true as well",
">\n\nI’m in buffalo we had no power for 74 hours and needed gas to run a generator to stay warm, to survive you have to make choices. There wasn’t even 911 services for the entire city for days.",
">\n\nIt's insane to me they announced no emergency services. It was like 48 hours. All the bodegas near me on the west side got robbed, pretty crazy.",
">\n\nIt is insane, and public services have to warn people and risk the looting. The government is a construct that's a failure when its needed lately. It's not going to get any better either...",
">\n\nThis is not the time to play on the roads, so stay off them",
">\n\nKind of hard to do that if you live in your car.",
">\n\nmy hometown 💔 my sister is still snowed in and had to walk to wegmans to try and get supplies. i really wish i could help",
">\n\nDoesn't help homeless people who have no choice.",
">\n\nMeanwhile, Starbucks etc. demanding to know why employees aren't clocked in",
">\n\nI happened to have my plans messed up from the weather, so I was chillin solo on Xmas. I couldn’t believe my local Starbucks was open. Give em a day, Jeaz! No one is missing Starbucks that day.",
">\n\nRight?\nI mean, it's one thing to be open on a holiday in a busy travel area, especially if you have staff who celebrate other holidays -- but floods, shootings, blizzards, holidays (where it's not necessary or at not busy stores). Pretty sure there is something in the \"How to Be Corporate\" manual that demands stores be open in the most ridiculous situations without exception; in fact, that more ridiculous the more critical it is for the store to be fully staffed :/",
">\n\nFor the people looking in from outside the area, the people of WNY take pride in being able to survive storms with minimal disruption. And remember that we just got thru a monumental storm just before thanksgiving. But unless you are at least 55 yrs old you can’t really remember conditions like those of last week. It was on a whole different level and all the local weatherman warnings about it’s impending severity couldn’t convince a large number of the population. The fact that they hype up a normal lake effect snow storm every 10 days may have played a small part in people disregarding the warnings but that’s a whole other conversation.",
">\n\nThe size of the Low and the massive pressure gradient between it and the cold high behind it was absolutely nuts.",
">\n\n\"but you're still coming in for your shift, right?\" - management",
">\n\nThese managers and store owners should be prosecuted and go to jail.",
">\n\nI'm looking forward to the several lawsuits from employees over their bosses making them show up to work.",
">\n\nThe people at those jobs don't have the means to sue. And if they do the company will stretch it out requiring court appearances but the employee doesn't have that many sick and vacation days so they either show up and lose their job or give up. People can't go that long without work to fight back against the evil bastards. The only chance is a large class action or if the business gets enough bad publicity that they settle.",
">\n\nSo did folks stock up on supplies before this thing hit? If you can't drive you can't get to the grocery store or pharmacy.",
">\n\nThis is why they say you should have 2 weeks worth of non-perishable food at home at all times. Even if it's just soup or pasta. Because there will come a time when you're stuck for several days and everything is shut down. I know it sucks because so many are living paycheck to paycheck, but it's important to have that little stash of food (and medicine).",
">\n\nExactly. Everyone should have an emergency kit.",
">\n\nYou know how bad it is after you learn Buffalo is a place that is no stranger to snow, cold snaps and blizzards.",
">\n\nMy mum couldn’t understand why there have been so many deaths and as someone who’s only been following the situation from a distance I couldn’t really give her a confident answer. Are people dying from being caught in the blizzard outside? Are they trapped inside with no heating or supplies and succumbing to the cold? Is it primarily elderly people? Was this storm foreseen and were people warned to be prepared?",
">\n\nThe snow was so bad, people got stuck on the road. For over 24 hours there were NO emergency services available because ALL their vehicles were stuck. People froze to death or died from carbon monoxide b/c they ran their motors for heat.\nWe has sustained 75mph winds on Friday that immediately knock power out, and heat for those without gas. Water pipes broke. Fires. People became disoriented walking & just fell over & died. The snow was heavy, so shoveling caused heart attacks.\nNo one could prepare us for this. I have lived in the Buffalo area for 54 years. I have seen storms, but not like this.",
">\n\nWe have gas heat but it’s forced air so no power= no heat. (Luckily we only had power flicker a few times- houses down the street lost power). \nI said elsewhere- I’ve never been in a situation where we were told “no emergency services- you’re on your own”. Maybe it happened in ‘77 but I was 5 then and I honestly don’t remember the storm.",
">\n\nI was 9 in '77 so I don't remember a lot either. I was also in Chautauqua county then & like this storm, it wasn't as bad down there. \nI am in Southtowns now. I agree 100% that this is a storm like no other in my lifetime. First the 5+ feet of snow a couple weeks ago, now this.\nWe were lucky too. I am SO GLAD you survived!🙏 Too many sad stories that didn't need to happen, and on Christmas no less. Peace & Go Bills!",
">\n\nThis is exactly why I hate snow. I know it's fun to ski and make snowmen and have snow ball fights. It's when you have to clear the snow due to it hindering something or drive in it, deaths result.",
">\n\nNo hair, our skin hurts in low temps, Our noses dont work under low humidity. For all intents and purposes, humans aren't meant to live in the cold.",
">\n\nEmployers:”Walk your ass to work. I’ll see you when the snow dies down because I took vacation.”",
">\n\nSome of those dead must be chili's managers who blew a blood vessel screaming at min wage workers that this storm \" wasn't that bad\" and \" we are going to be crazy busy\"",
">\n\n\"Well yes, but can you still come in? We're short-staffed. Be a team player! It's only a bit of snow!\"",
">\n\nBiggest issue people don’t understand; when you “have to” go to a store or run an errand and you get into an accident, you call 911.\nThose first responders shouldn’t be dealing with you right now, they should be trying to rescue any trapped victims that might still be alive.\nStop being selfish, stay off the roads and if you actually need something, ask neighbors for help, pool your resources and become a better community while others are given a chance to survive."
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Still there will be a lot of people who think the ban doesn't apply to them because they have to go see grandma.
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"31 deaths is crazy… stay safe out there!",
">\n\nI'm in Ohio and had to be the bad guy to my in-laws by saying we weren't coming to Christmas Eve, then they called the next day and said it took them an hour to drive 10 minutes home from the dinner we skipped and how dangerous it was. \nSome people gotta touch an oven to see if it's hot when you tell them ¯\\ಠಠ_/¯",
">\n\nAlso in Ohio. Called out of work the day of the storm even though it was only a 15 min drive away. Roads were still not cleared fully 2 days later.",
">\n\nI called out on Friday, I do not like my job enough to risk my life for it, especially during the holiday rush.",
">\n\nDon't get me wrong. My job is great and it pays well. But money is money and it'll cost a lot more for my loved ones to arrange my funeral than it would for me to miss a day of work.",
">\n\nI’m in BC where we got hit pretty bad last week, and my ethos was, “I get paid less in a day than my car insurance deductible costs”",
">\n\nHaha I’m gonna remember this",
">\n\nEmergency services were turned off for 2 days during the storm. The city was completely inaccessible so if you get into an accident you're on your own. My street (a main street in the heart of the west side) had a snow drift as high a stoplight blocking all access. Down the way was an abandoned semitruck blocking the entire road as well as other abandoned cars sprinkled across the landscape completely buried in snow. Trees fallen everywhere too. The whole city was like this.\nI knew it was going to be bad but this one was BAD",
">\n\nYou’ve been hit hard twice and it’s only December. Do you think about moving? Just curious. I live in Maine but come from Rochester NY and I don’t think I could deal with that level of disaster anymore.",
">\n\nGrew up in Rochester as well, moved to Southern Louisiana to get away from the snow. In the 90's I got cuaght several times on the stretch of 90 between Buffalo and Erie and wasn't sure I'd make it home. The snow through there is crazy, I would just follow a semi at a distance and if he went off the road I knew to stop.",
">\n\ndriving around with Semi-traction can be a bit dangerous sometimes.",
">\n\nIf they've got a full load they do better than cars and have more experienced drivers so I follow them too. But with an empty trailer they're screwed in high winds. I was thinking of passing one in Chicago snowstorm but the back drifted just a bit so I slowed down and kept back. Sure enough a few minutes later a gust caught him and the trailer swung across a couple lanes and almost jackknifed. Driver did a great job of getting it straightened back out so kudos to him! That was a long ass stressful drive back home though. I was exhausted.",
">\n\nThis is why people would rush to the store to buy up things like eggs, bread, milk, butter, TP, paper towels, etc... Sure people always panic when it's just a little snow but overall, these types of storms are why.",
">\n\nAlso why it's good to have some canned/dried goods. I keep about 4-5 days worth of soups, canned goods, rice, ramen, clean it out every once in a while if it doesn't get used. It's not costly either, that stuff is fairly cheap. \nBut man, this is pretty crazy. I think the most I've ever been trapped (no driving ban, just felt safe to leave) was 3 days in 2010 for \"Snowmaggedon\", these poor folks are almost going on a week.",
">\n\nYou keep 4-5 days worth?... I feel like I may be a hoarder if 4-5 days is considered a good amount.",
">\n\n4-5 days worth of food is nothing. I live in Louisiana and that’s the bare minimum in my opinion.",
">\n\nI'm pretty sure we have a month's worth of food all combined. Lots of dried beans and rice too. For me, it's to be prepared, and because of the poverty I've experienced, where all my food was from the food bank.",
">\n\nThat's very smart. Dried beans and rice are heaven when you have ZERO access. People don't understand that. it's not about what you want to eat in a disaster, its about eating high caloric/protein meals and staying adequately 'full', or, at the very least, having enough food to have some energy output.",
">\n\nAnother thing is maintaining a more positive mental state. When you don't meet the daily nutritive threshold it can mess with your head. Bad thought loops are the last thing you need in a natural disaster.",
">\n\nThis is 100 why I keep 'mental health food' in my pantry. A chocolate bar. Liquid IVs. Canned fruit. Stuff I know will boost me when I'm low. It helped so much during Ida.",
">\n\nEvery business that stayed open and didn't give their employees the option to stay home should be prosecuted. These people would t have been out in this if it wasn't for fear of losing their jobs. It's disgusting.",
">\n\nToo bad our elected officials don't represent their constituents' interests. Or rather they consider the businesses their constuents, rather than the voters.",
">\n\n\nOr rather they consider the businesses their constituents, rather than the voters.\n\nConservatives make no secret at all about this, and their voters are very straightforward about valuing business owners over regular people.",
">\n\nIt's not just conservatives, sadly. Both parties represent corporations over human beings.",
">\n\nTrue, but conservatives have turned the \"small business owner\" into an identity that they leverage against anybody who might need any sort of govt protections; the narrative is always that JimBob's Tire Emporium will go under if he has to pay over $8/hour or offer insurance. They all see themselves as JimBob. It's a really good trick.\nDems are for sure corrupt and support a lot of corporate agenda items but they campaign on individual wage and debt issues and do actually pass legislation. They're less psychopathic.",
">\n\nAnd yet conservative's talk about small business that way, but vote every damn time to make sure that larger companies get advantages - and those small businesses fail.",
">\n\nSo do Dems. Follow the money, both parties are propped up by the foulest industries and that isn't even considering dark money and super PACS.",
">\n\nI do, but I also look at the voting records. We need to get more people to run under \"Working Families\"that arent just \"better than the worse\" of the democrats.",
">\n\nLowes doesn't care. Still forcing employees to come in",
">\n\nI recently learned from a former Lowe’s employee that they have some sort of agreement with the government to be considered essential so that people and emergency services can get generators and equipment from them",
">\n\njesus, that's a lot of fucking snow \nlooking at that i'm having a mild ptsd from the four straight days of shoveling/blowing last week here in northern WI",
">\n\nHi fellow Northwoods resident!\nThe blow snow is the worst part. Stupid snow drifts. \nAlthough. My subdivision went from an open field to a street full of houses this summer. So the drifting is down considerably.",
">\n\nWyoming enters the chat Someone talking about snowdrifts? The jackalopes have it tough this year.",
">\n\nJesus I saw that Cheyenne dropped 32 degrees in temp in 10 minutes. That is seriously insane weather.",
">\n\nIt was awesome! \nDay after tomorrow quotes for a week! \nWe never lost power so it was a win. What's funny is that it was around 25 this morning. Still wearing short sleeve shirts after the last frost. It was crazy! Hope y'all are safe.",
">\n\nOne wonders if there is a list of missing people and if so, how long the list is",
">\n\nI saw a fucked up video of people coming across someone frozen on the ground.",
">\n\nThat's cold asf",
">\n\nYeah both what they were saying and acting and the fact the person froze to death.",
">\n\nI once slept outside in 5 to 10 degree weather, I hope all the homeless got somewhere warm.",
">\n\n\"Poloncarz, a Democrat, called the blizzard \"the worst storm probably in our lifetime,\" even for an area known for heavy snow. More bodies are expected to be found as the snow is cleared or melts.\" \nWtf does their political affiliation have to do with anything? \n\"Jeff here, who loves cheese, was devastated when his wife was unable to be rescued from her car\".",
">\n\nPeople need to know if they should agree or disagree with the statement about the storm.",
">\n\nWhat?!? He’s a democrat? \nThat’s all I needed to hear to know that this definitely was NOT the worst storm in the city’s history, typical democrat fear mongering.\nTheres no more bodies to find, but I’m sure the democrats will claim they found more bodies just to justify more government spending. They’ll be counting people that died 3 weeks ago as storm deaths. They count bodies the same way they count votes for Biden. LGB!!\n/s",
">\n\nRemenber: whatever out there isn't worth your life",
">\n\nWell said, just chill at your home safely till the storm reduces",
">\n\nMany houses do not have power and people are trying to get to the safety of a community shelter.",
">\n\nThis is true as well",
">\n\nI’m in buffalo we had no power for 74 hours and needed gas to run a generator to stay warm, to survive you have to make choices. There wasn’t even 911 services for the entire city for days.",
">\n\nIt's insane to me they announced no emergency services. It was like 48 hours. All the bodegas near me on the west side got robbed, pretty crazy.",
">\n\nIt is insane, and public services have to warn people and risk the looting. The government is a construct that's a failure when its needed lately. It's not going to get any better either...",
">\n\nThis is not the time to play on the roads, so stay off them",
">\n\nKind of hard to do that if you live in your car.",
">\n\nmy hometown 💔 my sister is still snowed in and had to walk to wegmans to try and get supplies. i really wish i could help",
">\n\nDoesn't help homeless people who have no choice.",
">\n\nMeanwhile, Starbucks etc. demanding to know why employees aren't clocked in",
">\n\nI happened to have my plans messed up from the weather, so I was chillin solo on Xmas. I couldn’t believe my local Starbucks was open. Give em a day, Jeaz! No one is missing Starbucks that day.",
">\n\nRight?\nI mean, it's one thing to be open on a holiday in a busy travel area, especially if you have staff who celebrate other holidays -- but floods, shootings, blizzards, holidays (where it's not necessary or at not busy stores). Pretty sure there is something in the \"How to Be Corporate\" manual that demands stores be open in the most ridiculous situations without exception; in fact, that more ridiculous the more critical it is for the store to be fully staffed :/",
">\n\nFor the people looking in from outside the area, the people of WNY take pride in being able to survive storms with minimal disruption. And remember that we just got thru a monumental storm just before thanksgiving. But unless you are at least 55 yrs old you can’t really remember conditions like those of last week. It was on a whole different level and all the local weatherman warnings about it’s impending severity couldn’t convince a large number of the population. The fact that they hype up a normal lake effect snow storm every 10 days may have played a small part in people disregarding the warnings but that’s a whole other conversation.",
">\n\nThe size of the Low and the massive pressure gradient between it and the cold high behind it was absolutely nuts.",
">\n\n\"but you're still coming in for your shift, right?\" - management",
">\n\nThese managers and store owners should be prosecuted and go to jail.",
">\n\nI'm looking forward to the several lawsuits from employees over their bosses making them show up to work.",
">\n\nThe people at those jobs don't have the means to sue. And if they do the company will stretch it out requiring court appearances but the employee doesn't have that many sick and vacation days so they either show up and lose their job or give up. People can't go that long without work to fight back against the evil bastards. The only chance is a large class action or if the business gets enough bad publicity that they settle.",
">\n\nSo did folks stock up on supplies before this thing hit? If you can't drive you can't get to the grocery store or pharmacy.",
">\n\nThis is why they say you should have 2 weeks worth of non-perishable food at home at all times. Even if it's just soup or pasta. Because there will come a time when you're stuck for several days and everything is shut down. I know it sucks because so many are living paycheck to paycheck, but it's important to have that little stash of food (and medicine).",
">\n\nExactly. Everyone should have an emergency kit.",
">\n\nYou know how bad it is after you learn Buffalo is a place that is no stranger to snow, cold snaps and blizzards.",
">\n\nMy mum couldn’t understand why there have been so many deaths and as someone who’s only been following the situation from a distance I couldn’t really give her a confident answer. Are people dying from being caught in the blizzard outside? Are they trapped inside with no heating or supplies and succumbing to the cold? Is it primarily elderly people? Was this storm foreseen and were people warned to be prepared?",
">\n\nThe snow was so bad, people got stuck on the road. For over 24 hours there were NO emergency services available because ALL their vehicles were stuck. People froze to death or died from carbon monoxide b/c they ran their motors for heat.\nWe has sustained 75mph winds on Friday that immediately knock power out, and heat for those without gas. Water pipes broke. Fires. People became disoriented walking & just fell over & died. The snow was heavy, so shoveling caused heart attacks.\nNo one could prepare us for this. I have lived in the Buffalo area for 54 years. I have seen storms, but not like this.",
">\n\nWe have gas heat but it’s forced air so no power= no heat. (Luckily we only had power flicker a few times- houses down the street lost power). \nI said elsewhere- I’ve never been in a situation where we were told “no emergency services- you’re on your own”. Maybe it happened in ‘77 but I was 5 then and I honestly don’t remember the storm.",
">\n\nI was 9 in '77 so I don't remember a lot either. I was also in Chautauqua county then & like this storm, it wasn't as bad down there. \nI am in Southtowns now. I agree 100% that this is a storm like no other in my lifetime. First the 5+ feet of snow a couple weeks ago, now this.\nWe were lucky too. I am SO GLAD you survived!🙏 Too many sad stories that didn't need to happen, and on Christmas no less. Peace & Go Bills!",
">\n\nThis is exactly why I hate snow. I know it's fun to ski and make snowmen and have snow ball fights. It's when you have to clear the snow due to it hindering something or drive in it, deaths result.",
">\n\nNo hair, our skin hurts in low temps, Our noses dont work under low humidity. For all intents and purposes, humans aren't meant to live in the cold.",
">\n\nEmployers:”Walk your ass to work. I’ll see you when the snow dies down because I took vacation.”",
">\n\nSome of those dead must be chili's managers who blew a blood vessel screaming at min wage workers that this storm \" wasn't that bad\" and \" we are going to be crazy busy\"",
">\n\n\"Well yes, but can you still come in? We're short-staffed. Be a team player! It's only a bit of snow!\"",
">\n\nBiggest issue people don’t understand; when you “have to” go to a store or run an errand and you get into an accident, you call 911.\nThose first responders shouldn’t be dealing with you right now, they should be trying to rescue any trapped victims that might still be alive.\nStop being selfish, stay off the roads and if you actually need something, ask neighbors for help, pool your resources and become a better community while others are given a chance to survive.",
">\n\nEmergency services were turned off for 2 days during the storm. The city was completely inaccessible so if you get into an accident you're on your own. My street (a main street in the heart of the west side) had a snow drift as high a stoplight blocking all access. Down the way was an abandoned semitruck blocking the entire road as well as other abandoned cars sprinkled across the landscape. The whole city was like this."
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"31 deaths is crazy… stay safe out there!",
">\n\nI'm in Ohio and had to be the bad guy to my in-laws by saying we weren't coming to Christmas Eve, then they called the next day and said it took them an hour to drive 10 minutes home from the dinner we skipped and how dangerous it was. \nSome people gotta touch an oven to see if it's hot when you tell them ¯\\ಠಠ_/¯",
">\n\nAlso in Ohio. Called out of work the day of the storm even though it was only a 15 min drive away. Roads were still not cleared fully 2 days later.",
">\n\nI called out on Friday, I do not like my job enough to risk my life for it, especially during the holiday rush.",
">\n\nDon't get me wrong. My job is great and it pays well. But money is money and it'll cost a lot more for my loved ones to arrange my funeral than it would for me to miss a day of work.",
">\n\nI’m in BC where we got hit pretty bad last week, and my ethos was, “I get paid less in a day than my car insurance deductible costs”",
">\n\nHaha I’m gonna remember this",
">\n\nEmergency services were turned off for 2 days during the storm. The city was completely inaccessible so if you get into an accident you're on your own. My street (a main street in the heart of the west side) had a snow drift as high a stoplight blocking all access. Down the way was an abandoned semitruck blocking the entire road as well as other abandoned cars sprinkled across the landscape completely buried in snow. Trees fallen everywhere too. The whole city was like this.\nI knew it was going to be bad but this one was BAD",
">\n\nYou’ve been hit hard twice and it’s only December. Do you think about moving? Just curious. I live in Maine but come from Rochester NY and I don’t think I could deal with that level of disaster anymore.",
">\n\nGrew up in Rochester as well, moved to Southern Louisiana to get away from the snow. In the 90's I got cuaght several times on the stretch of 90 between Buffalo and Erie and wasn't sure I'd make it home. The snow through there is crazy, I would just follow a semi at a distance and if he went off the road I knew to stop.",
">\n\ndriving around with Semi-traction can be a bit dangerous sometimes.",
">\n\nIf they've got a full load they do better than cars and have more experienced drivers so I follow them too. But with an empty trailer they're screwed in high winds. I was thinking of passing one in Chicago snowstorm but the back drifted just a bit so I slowed down and kept back. Sure enough a few minutes later a gust caught him and the trailer swung across a couple lanes and almost jackknifed. Driver did a great job of getting it straightened back out so kudos to him! That was a long ass stressful drive back home though. I was exhausted.",
">\n\nThis is why people would rush to the store to buy up things like eggs, bread, milk, butter, TP, paper towels, etc... Sure people always panic when it's just a little snow but overall, these types of storms are why.",
">\n\nAlso why it's good to have some canned/dried goods. I keep about 4-5 days worth of soups, canned goods, rice, ramen, clean it out every once in a while if it doesn't get used. It's not costly either, that stuff is fairly cheap. \nBut man, this is pretty crazy. I think the most I've ever been trapped (no driving ban, just felt safe to leave) was 3 days in 2010 for \"Snowmaggedon\", these poor folks are almost going on a week.",
">\n\nYou keep 4-5 days worth?... I feel like I may be a hoarder if 4-5 days is considered a good amount.",
">\n\n4-5 days worth of food is nothing. I live in Louisiana and that’s the bare minimum in my opinion.",
">\n\nI'm pretty sure we have a month's worth of food all combined. Lots of dried beans and rice too. For me, it's to be prepared, and because of the poverty I've experienced, where all my food was from the food bank.",
">\n\nThat's very smart. Dried beans and rice are heaven when you have ZERO access. People don't understand that. it's not about what you want to eat in a disaster, its about eating high caloric/protein meals and staying adequately 'full', or, at the very least, having enough food to have some energy output.",
">\n\nAnother thing is maintaining a more positive mental state. When you don't meet the daily nutritive threshold it can mess with your head. Bad thought loops are the last thing you need in a natural disaster.",
">\n\nThis is 100 why I keep 'mental health food' in my pantry. A chocolate bar. Liquid IVs. Canned fruit. Stuff I know will boost me when I'm low. It helped so much during Ida.",
">\n\nEvery business that stayed open and didn't give their employees the option to stay home should be prosecuted. These people would t have been out in this if it wasn't for fear of losing their jobs. It's disgusting.",
">\n\nToo bad our elected officials don't represent their constituents' interests. Or rather they consider the businesses their constuents, rather than the voters.",
">\n\n\nOr rather they consider the businesses their constituents, rather than the voters.\n\nConservatives make no secret at all about this, and their voters are very straightforward about valuing business owners over regular people.",
">\n\nIt's not just conservatives, sadly. Both parties represent corporations over human beings.",
">\n\nTrue, but conservatives have turned the \"small business owner\" into an identity that they leverage against anybody who might need any sort of govt protections; the narrative is always that JimBob's Tire Emporium will go under if he has to pay over $8/hour or offer insurance. They all see themselves as JimBob. It's a really good trick.\nDems are for sure corrupt and support a lot of corporate agenda items but they campaign on individual wage and debt issues and do actually pass legislation. They're less psychopathic.",
">\n\nAnd yet conservative's talk about small business that way, but vote every damn time to make sure that larger companies get advantages - and those small businesses fail.",
">\n\nSo do Dems. Follow the money, both parties are propped up by the foulest industries and that isn't even considering dark money and super PACS.",
">\n\nI do, but I also look at the voting records. We need to get more people to run under \"Working Families\"that arent just \"better than the worse\" of the democrats.",
">\n\nLowes doesn't care. Still forcing employees to come in",
">\n\nI recently learned from a former Lowe’s employee that they have some sort of agreement with the government to be considered essential so that people and emergency services can get generators and equipment from them",
">\n\njesus, that's a lot of fucking snow \nlooking at that i'm having a mild ptsd from the four straight days of shoveling/blowing last week here in northern WI",
">\n\nHi fellow Northwoods resident!\nThe blow snow is the worst part. Stupid snow drifts. \nAlthough. My subdivision went from an open field to a street full of houses this summer. So the drifting is down considerably.",
">\n\nWyoming enters the chat Someone talking about snowdrifts? The jackalopes have it tough this year.",
">\n\nJesus I saw that Cheyenne dropped 32 degrees in temp in 10 minutes. That is seriously insane weather.",
">\n\nIt was awesome! \nDay after tomorrow quotes for a week! \nWe never lost power so it was a win. What's funny is that it was around 25 this morning. Still wearing short sleeve shirts after the last frost. It was crazy! Hope y'all are safe.",
">\n\nOne wonders if there is a list of missing people and if so, how long the list is",
">\n\nI saw a fucked up video of people coming across someone frozen on the ground.",
">\n\nThat's cold asf",
">\n\nYeah both what they were saying and acting and the fact the person froze to death.",
">\n\nI once slept outside in 5 to 10 degree weather, I hope all the homeless got somewhere warm.",
">\n\n\"Poloncarz, a Democrat, called the blizzard \"the worst storm probably in our lifetime,\" even for an area known for heavy snow. More bodies are expected to be found as the snow is cleared or melts.\" \nWtf does their political affiliation have to do with anything? \n\"Jeff here, who loves cheese, was devastated when his wife was unable to be rescued from her car\".",
">\n\nPeople need to know if they should agree or disagree with the statement about the storm.",
">\n\nWhat?!? He’s a democrat? \nThat’s all I needed to hear to know that this definitely was NOT the worst storm in the city’s history, typical democrat fear mongering.\nTheres no more bodies to find, but I’m sure the democrats will claim they found more bodies just to justify more government spending. They’ll be counting people that died 3 weeks ago as storm deaths. They count bodies the same way they count votes for Biden. LGB!!\n/s",
">\n\nRemenber: whatever out there isn't worth your life",
">\n\nWell said, just chill at your home safely till the storm reduces",
">\n\nMany houses do not have power and people are trying to get to the safety of a community shelter.",
">\n\nThis is true as well",
">\n\nI’m in buffalo we had no power for 74 hours and needed gas to run a generator to stay warm, to survive you have to make choices. There wasn’t even 911 services for the entire city for days.",
">\n\nIt's insane to me they announced no emergency services. It was like 48 hours. All the bodegas near me on the west side got robbed, pretty crazy.",
">\n\nIt is insane, and public services have to warn people and risk the looting. The government is a construct that's a failure when its needed lately. It's not going to get any better either...",
">\n\nThis is not the time to play on the roads, so stay off them",
">\n\nKind of hard to do that if you live in your car.",
">\n\nmy hometown 💔 my sister is still snowed in and had to walk to wegmans to try and get supplies. i really wish i could help",
">\n\nDoesn't help homeless people who have no choice.",
">\n\nMeanwhile, Starbucks etc. demanding to know why employees aren't clocked in",
">\n\nI happened to have my plans messed up from the weather, so I was chillin solo on Xmas. I couldn’t believe my local Starbucks was open. Give em a day, Jeaz! No one is missing Starbucks that day.",
">\n\nRight?\nI mean, it's one thing to be open on a holiday in a busy travel area, especially if you have staff who celebrate other holidays -- but floods, shootings, blizzards, holidays (where it's not necessary or at not busy stores). Pretty sure there is something in the \"How to Be Corporate\" manual that demands stores be open in the most ridiculous situations without exception; in fact, that more ridiculous the more critical it is for the store to be fully staffed :/",
">\n\nFor the people looking in from outside the area, the people of WNY take pride in being able to survive storms with minimal disruption. And remember that we just got thru a monumental storm just before thanksgiving. But unless you are at least 55 yrs old you can’t really remember conditions like those of last week. It was on a whole different level and all the local weatherman warnings about it’s impending severity couldn’t convince a large number of the population. The fact that they hype up a normal lake effect snow storm every 10 days may have played a small part in people disregarding the warnings but that’s a whole other conversation.",
">\n\nThe size of the Low and the massive pressure gradient between it and the cold high behind it was absolutely nuts.",
">\n\n\"but you're still coming in for your shift, right?\" - management",
">\n\nThese managers and store owners should be prosecuted and go to jail.",
">\n\nI'm looking forward to the several lawsuits from employees over their bosses making them show up to work.",
">\n\nThe people at those jobs don't have the means to sue. And if they do the company will stretch it out requiring court appearances but the employee doesn't have that many sick and vacation days so they either show up and lose their job or give up. People can't go that long without work to fight back against the evil bastards. The only chance is a large class action or if the business gets enough bad publicity that they settle.",
">\n\nSo did folks stock up on supplies before this thing hit? If you can't drive you can't get to the grocery store or pharmacy.",
">\n\nThis is why they say you should have 2 weeks worth of non-perishable food at home at all times. Even if it's just soup or pasta. Because there will come a time when you're stuck for several days and everything is shut down. I know it sucks because so many are living paycheck to paycheck, but it's important to have that little stash of food (and medicine).",
">\n\nExactly. Everyone should have an emergency kit.",
">\n\nYou know how bad it is after you learn Buffalo is a place that is no stranger to snow, cold snaps and blizzards.",
">\n\nMy mum couldn’t understand why there have been so many deaths and as someone who’s only been following the situation from a distance I couldn’t really give her a confident answer. Are people dying from being caught in the blizzard outside? Are they trapped inside with no heating or supplies and succumbing to the cold? Is it primarily elderly people? Was this storm foreseen and were people warned to be prepared?",
">\n\nThe snow was so bad, people got stuck on the road. For over 24 hours there were NO emergency services available because ALL their vehicles were stuck. People froze to death or died from carbon monoxide b/c they ran their motors for heat.\nWe has sustained 75mph winds on Friday that immediately knock power out, and heat for those without gas. Water pipes broke. Fires. People became disoriented walking & just fell over & died. The snow was heavy, so shoveling caused heart attacks.\nNo one could prepare us for this. I have lived in the Buffalo area for 54 years. I have seen storms, but not like this.",
">\n\nWe have gas heat but it’s forced air so no power= no heat. (Luckily we only had power flicker a few times- houses down the street lost power). \nI said elsewhere- I’ve never been in a situation where we were told “no emergency services- you’re on your own”. Maybe it happened in ‘77 but I was 5 then and I honestly don’t remember the storm.",
">\n\nI was 9 in '77 so I don't remember a lot either. I was also in Chautauqua county then & like this storm, it wasn't as bad down there. \nI am in Southtowns now. I agree 100% that this is a storm like no other in my lifetime. First the 5+ feet of snow a couple weeks ago, now this.\nWe were lucky too. I am SO GLAD you survived!🙏 Too many sad stories that didn't need to happen, and on Christmas no less. Peace & Go Bills!",
">\n\nThis is exactly why I hate snow. I know it's fun to ski and make snowmen and have snow ball fights. It's when you have to clear the snow due to it hindering something or drive in it, deaths result.",
">\n\nNo hair, our skin hurts in low temps, Our noses dont work under low humidity. For all intents and purposes, humans aren't meant to live in the cold.",
">\n\nEmployers:”Walk your ass to work. I’ll see you when the snow dies down because I took vacation.”",
">\n\nSome of those dead must be chili's managers who blew a blood vessel screaming at min wage workers that this storm \" wasn't that bad\" and \" we are going to be crazy busy\"",
">\n\n\"Well yes, but can you still come in? We're short-staffed. Be a team player! It's only a bit of snow!\"",
">\n\nBiggest issue people don’t understand; when you “have to” go to a store or run an errand and you get into an accident, you call 911.\nThose first responders shouldn’t be dealing with you right now, they should be trying to rescue any trapped victims that might still be alive.\nStop being selfish, stay off the roads and if you actually need something, ask neighbors for help, pool your resources and become a better community while others are given a chance to survive.",
">\n\nEmergency services were turned off for 2 days during the storm. The city was completely inaccessible so if you get into an accident you're on your own. My street (a main street in the heart of the west side) had a snow drift as high a stoplight blocking all access. Down the way was an abandoned semitruck blocking the entire road as well as other abandoned cars sprinkled across the landscape. The whole city was like this.",
">\n\nStill there will be a lot of people who think the ban doesn't apply to them because they have to go see grandma."
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Hopefully people stay off the roads, bc this is no time to play
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"31 deaths is crazy… stay safe out there!",
">\n\nI'm in Ohio and had to be the bad guy to my in-laws by saying we weren't coming to Christmas Eve, then they called the next day and said it took them an hour to drive 10 minutes home from the dinner we skipped and how dangerous it was. \nSome people gotta touch an oven to see if it's hot when you tell them ¯\\ಠಠ_/¯",
">\n\nAlso in Ohio. Called out of work the day of the storm even though it was only a 15 min drive away. Roads were still not cleared fully 2 days later.",
">\n\nI called out on Friday, I do not like my job enough to risk my life for it, especially during the holiday rush.",
">\n\nDon't get me wrong. My job is great and it pays well. But money is money and it'll cost a lot more for my loved ones to arrange my funeral than it would for me to miss a day of work.",
">\n\nI’m in BC where we got hit pretty bad last week, and my ethos was, “I get paid less in a day than my car insurance deductible costs”",
">\n\nHaha I’m gonna remember this",
">\n\nEmergency services were turned off for 2 days during the storm. The city was completely inaccessible so if you get into an accident you're on your own. My street (a main street in the heart of the west side) had a snow drift as high a stoplight blocking all access. Down the way was an abandoned semitruck blocking the entire road as well as other abandoned cars sprinkled across the landscape completely buried in snow. Trees fallen everywhere too. The whole city was like this.\nI knew it was going to be bad but this one was BAD",
">\n\nYou’ve been hit hard twice and it’s only December. Do you think about moving? Just curious. I live in Maine but come from Rochester NY and I don’t think I could deal with that level of disaster anymore.",
">\n\nGrew up in Rochester as well, moved to Southern Louisiana to get away from the snow. In the 90's I got cuaght several times on the stretch of 90 between Buffalo and Erie and wasn't sure I'd make it home. The snow through there is crazy, I would just follow a semi at a distance and if he went off the road I knew to stop.",
">\n\ndriving around with Semi-traction can be a bit dangerous sometimes.",
">\n\nIf they've got a full load they do better than cars and have more experienced drivers so I follow them too. But with an empty trailer they're screwed in high winds. I was thinking of passing one in Chicago snowstorm but the back drifted just a bit so I slowed down and kept back. Sure enough a few minutes later a gust caught him and the trailer swung across a couple lanes and almost jackknifed. Driver did a great job of getting it straightened back out so kudos to him! That was a long ass stressful drive back home though. I was exhausted.",
">\n\nThis is why people would rush to the store to buy up things like eggs, bread, milk, butter, TP, paper towels, etc... Sure people always panic when it's just a little snow but overall, these types of storms are why.",
">\n\nAlso why it's good to have some canned/dried goods. I keep about 4-5 days worth of soups, canned goods, rice, ramen, clean it out every once in a while if it doesn't get used. It's not costly either, that stuff is fairly cheap. \nBut man, this is pretty crazy. I think the most I've ever been trapped (no driving ban, just felt safe to leave) was 3 days in 2010 for \"Snowmaggedon\", these poor folks are almost going on a week.",
">\n\nYou keep 4-5 days worth?... I feel like I may be a hoarder if 4-5 days is considered a good amount.",
">\n\n4-5 days worth of food is nothing. I live in Louisiana and that’s the bare minimum in my opinion.",
">\n\nI'm pretty sure we have a month's worth of food all combined. Lots of dried beans and rice too. For me, it's to be prepared, and because of the poverty I've experienced, where all my food was from the food bank.",
">\n\nThat's very smart. Dried beans and rice are heaven when you have ZERO access. People don't understand that. it's not about what you want to eat in a disaster, its about eating high caloric/protein meals and staying adequately 'full', or, at the very least, having enough food to have some energy output.",
">\n\nAnother thing is maintaining a more positive mental state. When you don't meet the daily nutritive threshold it can mess with your head. Bad thought loops are the last thing you need in a natural disaster.",
">\n\nThis is 100 why I keep 'mental health food' in my pantry. A chocolate bar. Liquid IVs. Canned fruit. Stuff I know will boost me when I'm low. It helped so much during Ida.",
">\n\nEvery business that stayed open and didn't give their employees the option to stay home should be prosecuted. These people would t have been out in this if it wasn't for fear of losing their jobs. It's disgusting.",
">\n\nToo bad our elected officials don't represent their constituents' interests. Or rather they consider the businesses their constuents, rather than the voters.",
">\n\n\nOr rather they consider the businesses their constituents, rather than the voters.\n\nConservatives make no secret at all about this, and their voters are very straightforward about valuing business owners over regular people.",
">\n\nIt's not just conservatives, sadly. Both parties represent corporations over human beings.",
">\n\nTrue, but conservatives have turned the \"small business owner\" into an identity that they leverage against anybody who might need any sort of govt protections; the narrative is always that JimBob's Tire Emporium will go under if he has to pay over $8/hour or offer insurance. They all see themselves as JimBob. It's a really good trick.\nDems are for sure corrupt and support a lot of corporate agenda items but they campaign on individual wage and debt issues and do actually pass legislation. They're less psychopathic.",
">\n\nAnd yet conservative's talk about small business that way, but vote every damn time to make sure that larger companies get advantages - and those small businesses fail.",
">\n\nSo do Dems. Follow the money, both parties are propped up by the foulest industries and that isn't even considering dark money and super PACS.",
">\n\nI do, but I also look at the voting records. We need to get more people to run under \"Working Families\"that arent just \"better than the worse\" of the democrats.",
">\n\nLowes doesn't care. Still forcing employees to come in",
">\n\nI recently learned from a former Lowe’s employee that they have some sort of agreement with the government to be considered essential so that people and emergency services can get generators and equipment from them",
">\n\njesus, that's a lot of fucking snow \nlooking at that i'm having a mild ptsd from the four straight days of shoveling/blowing last week here in northern WI",
">\n\nHi fellow Northwoods resident!\nThe blow snow is the worst part. Stupid snow drifts. \nAlthough. My subdivision went from an open field to a street full of houses this summer. So the drifting is down considerably.",
">\n\nWyoming enters the chat Someone talking about snowdrifts? The jackalopes have it tough this year.",
">\n\nJesus I saw that Cheyenne dropped 32 degrees in temp in 10 minutes. That is seriously insane weather.",
">\n\nIt was awesome! \nDay after tomorrow quotes for a week! \nWe never lost power so it was a win. What's funny is that it was around 25 this morning. Still wearing short sleeve shirts after the last frost. It was crazy! Hope y'all are safe.",
">\n\nOne wonders if there is a list of missing people and if so, how long the list is",
">\n\nI saw a fucked up video of people coming across someone frozen on the ground.",
">\n\nThat's cold asf",
">\n\nYeah both what they were saying and acting and the fact the person froze to death.",
">\n\nI once slept outside in 5 to 10 degree weather, I hope all the homeless got somewhere warm.",
">\n\n\"Poloncarz, a Democrat, called the blizzard \"the worst storm probably in our lifetime,\" even for an area known for heavy snow. More bodies are expected to be found as the snow is cleared or melts.\" \nWtf does their political affiliation have to do with anything? \n\"Jeff here, who loves cheese, was devastated when his wife was unable to be rescued from her car\".",
">\n\nPeople need to know if they should agree or disagree with the statement about the storm.",
">\n\nWhat?!? He’s a democrat? \nThat’s all I needed to hear to know that this definitely was NOT the worst storm in the city’s history, typical democrat fear mongering.\nTheres no more bodies to find, but I’m sure the democrats will claim they found more bodies just to justify more government spending. They’ll be counting people that died 3 weeks ago as storm deaths. They count bodies the same way they count votes for Biden. LGB!!\n/s",
">\n\nRemenber: whatever out there isn't worth your life",
">\n\nWell said, just chill at your home safely till the storm reduces",
">\n\nMany houses do not have power and people are trying to get to the safety of a community shelter.",
">\n\nThis is true as well",
">\n\nI’m in buffalo we had no power for 74 hours and needed gas to run a generator to stay warm, to survive you have to make choices. There wasn’t even 911 services for the entire city for days.",
">\n\nIt's insane to me they announced no emergency services. It was like 48 hours. All the bodegas near me on the west side got robbed, pretty crazy.",
">\n\nIt is insane, and public services have to warn people and risk the looting. The government is a construct that's a failure when its needed lately. It's not going to get any better either...",
">\n\nThis is not the time to play on the roads, so stay off them",
">\n\nKind of hard to do that if you live in your car.",
">\n\nmy hometown 💔 my sister is still snowed in and had to walk to wegmans to try and get supplies. i really wish i could help",
">\n\nDoesn't help homeless people who have no choice.",
">\n\nMeanwhile, Starbucks etc. demanding to know why employees aren't clocked in",
">\n\nI happened to have my plans messed up from the weather, so I was chillin solo on Xmas. I couldn’t believe my local Starbucks was open. Give em a day, Jeaz! No one is missing Starbucks that day.",
">\n\nRight?\nI mean, it's one thing to be open on a holiday in a busy travel area, especially if you have staff who celebrate other holidays -- but floods, shootings, blizzards, holidays (where it's not necessary or at not busy stores). Pretty sure there is something in the \"How to Be Corporate\" manual that demands stores be open in the most ridiculous situations without exception; in fact, that more ridiculous the more critical it is for the store to be fully staffed :/",
">\n\nFor the people looking in from outside the area, the people of WNY take pride in being able to survive storms with minimal disruption. And remember that we just got thru a monumental storm just before thanksgiving. But unless you are at least 55 yrs old you can’t really remember conditions like those of last week. It was on a whole different level and all the local weatherman warnings about it’s impending severity couldn’t convince a large number of the population. The fact that they hype up a normal lake effect snow storm every 10 days may have played a small part in people disregarding the warnings but that’s a whole other conversation.",
">\n\nThe size of the Low and the massive pressure gradient between it and the cold high behind it was absolutely nuts.",
">\n\n\"but you're still coming in for your shift, right?\" - management",
">\n\nThese managers and store owners should be prosecuted and go to jail.",
">\n\nI'm looking forward to the several lawsuits from employees over their bosses making them show up to work.",
">\n\nThe people at those jobs don't have the means to sue. And if they do the company will stretch it out requiring court appearances but the employee doesn't have that many sick and vacation days so they either show up and lose their job or give up. People can't go that long without work to fight back against the evil bastards. The only chance is a large class action or if the business gets enough bad publicity that they settle.",
">\n\nSo did folks stock up on supplies before this thing hit? If you can't drive you can't get to the grocery store or pharmacy.",
">\n\nThis is why they say you should have 2 weeks worth of non-perishable food at home at all times. Even if it's just soup or pasta. Because there will come a time when you're stuck for several days and everything is shut down. I know it sucks because so many are living paycheck to paycheck, but it's important to have that little stash of food (and medicine).",
">\n\nExactly. Everyone should have an emergency kit.",
">\n\nYou know how bad it is after you learn Buffalo is a place that is no stranger to snow, cold snaps and blizzards.",
">\n\nMy mum couldn’t understand why there have been so many deaths and as someone who’s only been following the situation from a distance I couldn’t really give her a confident answer. Are people dying from being caught in the blizzard outside? Are they trapped inside with no heating or supplies and succumbing to the cold? Is it primarily elderly people? Was this storm foreseen and were people warned to be prepared?",
">\n\nThe snow was so bad, people got stuck on the road. For over 24 hours there were NO emergency services available because ALL their vehicles were stuck. People froze to death or died from carbon monoxide b/c they ran their motors for heat.\nWe has sustained 75mph winds on Friday that immediately knock power out, and heat for those without gas. Water pipes broke. Fires. People became disoriented walking & just fell over & died. The snow was heavy, so shoveling caused heart attacks.\nNo one could prepare us for this. I have lived in the Buffalo area for 54 years. I have seen storms, but not like this.",
">\n\nWe have gas heat but it’s forced air so no power= no heat. (Luckily we only had power flicker a few times- houses down the street lost power). \nI said elsewhere- I’ve never been in a situation where we were told “no emergency services- you’re on your own”. Maybe it happened in ‘77 but I was 5 then and I honestly don’t remember the storm.",
">\n\nI was 9 in '77 so I don't remember a lot either. I was also in Chautauqua county then & like this storm, it wasn't as bad down there. \nI am in Southtowns now. I agree 100% that this is a storm like no other in my lifetime. First the 5+ feet of snow a couple weeks ago, now this.\nWe were lucky too. I am SO GLAD you survived!🙏 Too many sad stories that didn't need to happen, and on Christmas no less. Peace & Go Bills!",
">\n\nThis is exactly why I hate snow. I know it's fun to ski and make snowmen and have snow ball fights. It's when you have to clear the snow due to it hindering something or drive in it, deaths result.",
">\n\nNo hair, our skin hurts in low temps, Our noses dont work under low humidity. For all intents and purposes, humans aren't meant to live in the cold.",
">\n\nEmployers:”Walk your ass to work. I’ll see you when the snow dies down because I took vacation.”",
">\n\nSome of those dead must be chili's managers who blew a blood vessel screaming at min wage workers that this storm \" wasn't that bad\" and \" we are going to be crazy busy\"",
">\n\n\"Well yes, but can you still come in? We're short-staffed. Be a team player! It's only a bit of snow!\"",
">\n\nBiggest issue people don’t understand; when you “have to” go to a store or run an errand and you get into an accident, you call 911.\nThose first responders shouldn’t be dealing with you right now, they should be trying to rescue any trapped victims that might still be alive.\nStop being selfish, stay off the roads and if you actually need something, ask neighbors for help, pool your resources and become a better community while others are given a chance to survive.",
">\n\nEmergency services were turned off for 2 days during the storm. The city was completely inaccessible so if you get into an accident you're on your own. My street (a main street in the heart of the west side) had a snow drift as high a stoplight blocking all access. Down the way was an abandoned semitruck blocking the entire road as well as other abandoned cars sprinkled across the landscape. The whole city was like this.",
">\n\nStill there will be a lot of people who think the ban doesn't apply to them because they have to go see grandma.",
">\n\nOr they're homeless and don't have anywhere else to go"
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I still don't know anyone personally who has been ticketed for driving during the ban. I think they should automatically ticket every car that was abandoned on a bus route and let the owner explain why they were driving during the ban to determine if they have to pay the fine. People will not obey laws if there's no enforcement.
Payloaders came down my street last night (Tuesday), so I was able to drive to ECMC to pick up my wife, but on my way there, a friend of mine texted me "we're at the bar if you want to swing by". Considering that the bartender had to drive in from Tonawanda, that bar should have been closed.
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"31 deaths is crazy… stay safe out there!",
">\n\nI'm in Ohio and had to be the bad guy to my in-laws by saying we weren't coming to Christmas Eve, then they called the next day and said it took them an hour to drive 10 minutes home from the dinner we skipped and how dangerous it was. \nSome people gotta touch an oven to see if it's hot when you tell them ¯\\ಠಠ_/¯",
">\n\nAlso in Ohio. Called out of work the day of the storm even though it was only a 15 min drive away. Roads were still not cleared fully 2 days later.",
">\n\nI called out on Friday, I do not like my job enough to risk my life for it, especially during the holiday rush.",
">\n\nDon't get me wrong. My job is great and it pays well. But money is money and it'll cost a lot more for my loved ones to arrange my funeral than it would for me to miss a day of work.",
">\n\nI’m in BC where we got hit pretty bad last week, and my ethos was, “I get paid less in a day than my car insurance deductible costs”",
">\n\nHaha I’m gonna remember this",
">\n\nEmergency services were turned off for 2 days during the storm. The city was completely inaccessible so if you get into an accident you're on your own. My street (a main street in the heart of the west side) had a snow drift as high a stoplight blocking all access. Down the way was an abandoned semitruck blocking the entire road as well as other abandoned cars sprinkled across the landscape completely buried in snow. Trees fallen everywhere too. The whole city was like this.\nI knew it was going to be bad but this one was BAD",
">\n\nYou’ve been hit hard twice and it’s only December. Do you think about moving? Just curious. I live in Maine but come from Rochester NY and I don’t think I could deal with that level of disaster anymore.",
">\n\nGrew up in Rochester as well, moved to Southern Louisiana to get away from the snow. In the 90's I got cuaght several times on the stretch of 90 between Buffalo and Erie and wasn't sure I'd make it home. The snow through there is crazy, I would just follow a semi at a distance and if he went off the road I knew to stop.",
">\n\ndriving around with Semi-traction can be a bit dangerous sometimes.",
">\n\nIf they've got a full load they do better than cars and have more experienced drivers so I follow them too. But with an empty trailer they're screwed in high winds. I was thinking of passing one in Chicago snowstorm but the back drifted just a bit so I slowed down and kept back. Sure enough a few minutes later a gust caught him and the trailer swung across a couple lanes and almost jackknifed. Driver did a great job of getting it straightened back out so kudos to him! That was a long ass stressful drive back home though. I was exhausted.",
">\n\nThis is why people would rush to the store to buy up things like eggs, bread, milk, butter, TP, paper towels, etc... Sure people always panic when it's just a little snow but overall, these types of storms are why.",
">\n\nAlso why it's good to have some canned/dried goods. I keep about 4-5 days worth of soups, canned goods, rice, ramen, clean it out every once in a while if it doesn't get used. It's not costly either, that stuff is fairly cheap. \nBut man, this is pretty crazy. I think the most I've ever been trapped (no driving ban, just felt safe to leave) was 3 days in 2010 for \"Snowmaggedon\", these poor folks are almost going on a week.",
">\n\nYou keep 4-5 days worth?... I feel like I may be a hoarder if 4-5 days is considered a good amount.",
">\n\n4-5 days worth of food is nothing. I live in Louisiana and that’s the bare minimum in my opinion.",
">\n\nI'm pretty sure we have a month's worth of food all combined. Lots of dried beans and rice too. For me, it's to be prepared, and because of the poverty I've experienced, where all my food was from the food bank.",
">\n\nThat's very smart. Dried beans and rice are heaven when you have ZERO access. People don't understand that. it's not about what you want to eat in a disaster, its about eating high caloric/protein meals and staying adequately 'full', or, at the very least, having enough food to have some energy output.",
">\n\nAnother thing is maintaining a more positive mental state. When you don't meet the daily nutritive threshold it can mess with your head. Bad thought loops are the last thing you need in a natural disaster.",
">\n\nThis is 100 why I keep 'mental health food' in my pantry. A chocolate bar. Liquid IVs. Canned fruit. Stuff I know will boost me when I'm low. It helped so much during Ida.",
">\n\nEvery business that stayed open and didn't give their employees the option to stay home should be prosecuted. These people would t have been out in this if it wasn't for fear of losing their jobs. It's disgusting.",
">\n\nToo bad our elected officials don't represent their constituents' interests. Or rather they consider the businesses their constuents, rather than the voters.",
">\n\n\nOr rather they consider the businesses their constituents, rather than the voters.\n\nConservatives make no secret at all about this, and their voters are very straightforward about valuing business owners over regular people.",
">\n\nIt's not just conservatives, sadly. Both parties represent corporations over human beings.",
">\n\nTrue, but conservatives have turned the \"small business owner\" into an identity that they leverage against anybody who might need any sort of govt protections; the narrative is always that JimBob's Tire Emporium will go under if he has to pay over $8/hour or offer insurance. They all see themselves as JimBob. It's a really good trick.\nDems are for sure corrupt and support a lot of corporate agenda items but they campaign on individual wage and debt issues and do actually pass legislation. They're less psychopathic.",
">\n\nAnd yet conservative's talk about small business that way, but vote every damn time to make sure that larger companies get advantages - and those small businesses fail.",
">\n\nSo do Dems. Follow the money, both parties are propped up by the foulest industries and that isn't even considering dark money and super PACS.",
">\n\nI do, but I also look at the voting records. We need to get more people to run under \"Working Families\"that arent just \"better than the worse\" of the democrats.",
">\n\nLowes doesn't care. Still forcing employees to come in",
">\n\nI recently learned from a former Lowe’s employee that they have some sort of agreement with the government to be considered essential so that people and emergency services can get generators and equipment from them",
">\n\njesus, that's a lot of fucking snow \nlooking at that i'm having a mild ptsd from the four straight days of shoveling/blowing last week here in northern WI",
">\n\nHi fellow Northwoods resident!\nThe blow snow is the worst part. Stupid snow drifts. \nAlthough. My subdivision went from an open field to a street full of houses this summer. So the drifting is down considerably.",
">\n\nWyoming enters the chat Someone talking about snowdrifts? The jackalopes have it tough this year.",
">\n\nJesus I saw that Cheyenne dropped 32 degrees in temp in 10 minutes. That is seriously insane weather.",
">\n\nIt was awesome! \nDay after tomorrow quotes for a week! \nWe never lost power so it was a win. What's funny is that it was around 25 this morning. Still wearing short sleeve shirts after the last frost. It was crazy! Hope y'all are safe.",
">\n\nOne wonders if there is a list of missing people and if so, how long the list is",
">\n\nI saw a fucked up video of people coming across someone frozen on the ground.",
">\n\nThat's cold asf",
">\n\nYeah both what they were saying and acting and the fact the person froze to death.",
">\n\nI once slept outside in 5 to 10 degree weather, I hope all the homeless got somewhere warm.",
">\n\n\"Poloncarz, a Democrat, called the blizzard \"the worst storm probably in our lifetime,\" even for an area known for heavy snow. More bodies are expected to be found as the snow is cleared or melts.\" \nWtf does their political affiliation have to do with anything? \n\"Jeff here, who loves cheese, was devastated when his wife was unable to be rescued from her car\".",
">\n\nPeople need to know if they should agree or disagree with the statement about the storm.",
">\n\nWhat?!? He’s a democrat? \nThat’s all I needed to hear to know that this definitely was NOT the worst storm in the city’s history, typical democrat fear mongering.\nTheres no more bodies to find, but I’m sure the democrats will claim they found more bodies just to justify more government spending. They’ll be counting people that died 3 weeks ago as storm deaths. They count bodies the same way they count votes for Biden. LGB!!\n/s",
">\n\nRemenber: whatever out there isn't worth your life",
">\n\nWell said, just chill at your home safely till the storm reduces",
">\n\nMany houses do not have power and people are trying to get to the safety of a community shelter.",
">\n\nThis is true as well",
">\n\nI’m in buffalo we had no power for 74 hours and needed gas to run a generator to stay warm, to survive you have to make choices. There wasn’t even 911 services for the entire city for days.",
">\n\nIt's insane to me they announced no emergency services. It was like 48 hours. All the bodegas near me on the west side got robbed, pretty crazy.",
">\n\nIt is insane, and public services have to warn people and risk the looting. The government is a construct that's a failure when its needed lately. It's not going to get any better either...",
">\n\nThis is not the time to play on the roads, so stay off them",
">\n\nKind of hard to do that if you live in your car.",
">\n\nmy hometown 💔 my sister is still snowed in and had to walk to wegmans to try and get supplies. i really wish i could help",
">\n\nDoesn't help homeless people who have no choice.",
">\n\nMeanwhile, Starbucks etc. demanding to know why employees aren't clocked in",
">\n\nI happened to have my plans messed up from the weather, so I was chillin solo on Xmas. I couldn’t believe my local Starbucks was open. Give em a day, Jeaz! No one is missing Starbucks that day.",
">\n\nRight?\nI mean, it's one thing to be open on a holiday in a busy travel area, especially if you have staff who celebrate other holidays -- but floods, shootings, blizzards, holidays (where it's not necessary or at not busy stores). Pretty sure there is something in the \"How to Be Corporate\" manual that demands stores be open in the most ridiculous situations without exception; in fact, that more ridiculous the more critical it is for the store to be fully staffed :/",
">\n\nFor the people looking in from outside the area, the people of WNY take pride in being able to survive storms with minimal disruption. And remember that we just got thru a monumental storm just before thanksgiving. But unless you are at least 55 yrs old you can’t really remember conditions like those of last week. It was on a whole different level and all the local weatherman warnings about it’s impending severity couldn’t convince a large number of the population. The fact that they hype up a normal lake effect snow storm every 10 days may have played a small part in people disregarding the warnings but that’s a whole other conversation.",
">\n\nThe size of the Low and the massive pressure gradient between it and the cold high behind it was absolutely nuts.",
">\n\n\"but you're still coming in for your shift, right?\" - management",
">\n\nThese managers and store owners should be prosecuted and go to jail.",
">\n\nI'm looking forward to the several lawsuits from employees over their bosses making them show up to work.",
">\n\nThe people at those jobs don't have the means to sue. And if they do the company will stretch it out requiring court appearances but the employee doesn't have that many sick and vacation days so they either show up and lose their job or give up. People can't go that long without work to fight back against the evil bastards. The only chance is a large class action or if the business gets enough bad publicity that they settle.",
">\n\nSo did folks stock up on supplies before this thing hit? If you can't drive you can't get to the grocery store or pharmacy.",
">\n\nThis is why they say you should have 2 weeks worth of non-perishable food at home at all times. Even if it's just soup or pasta. Because there will come a time when you're stuck for several days and everything is shut down. I know it sucks because so many are living paycheck to paycheck, but it's important to have that little stash of food (and medicine).",
">\n\nExactly. Everyone should have an emergency kit.",
">\n\nYou know how bad it is after you learn Buffalo is a place that is no stranger to snow, cold snaps and blizzards.",
">\n\nMy mum couldn’t understand why there have been so many deaths and as someone who’s only been following the situation from a distance I couldn’t really give her a confident answer. Are people dying from being caught in the blizzard outside? Are they trapped inside with no heating or supplies and succumbing to the cold? Is it primarily elderly people? Was this storm foreseen and were people warned to be prepared?",
">\n\nThe snow was so bad, people got stuck on the road. For over 24 hours there were NO emergency services available because ALL their vehicles were stuck. People froze to death or died from carbon monoxide b/c they ran their motors for heat.\nWe has sustained 75mph winds on Friday that immediately knock power out, and heat for those without gas. Water pipes broke. Fires. People became disoriented walking & just fell over & died. The snow was heavy, so shoveling caused heart attacks.\nNo one could prepare us for this. I have lived in the Buffalo area for 54 years. I have seen storms, but not like this.",
">\n\nWe have gas heat but it’s forced air so no power= no heat. (Luckily we only had power flicker a few times- houses down the street lost power). \nI said elsewhere- I’ve never been in a situation where we were told “no emergency services- you’re on your own”. Maybe it happened in ‘77 but I was 5 then and I honestly don’t remember the storm.",
">\n\nI was 9 in '77 so I don't remember a lot either. I was also in Chautauqua county then & like this storm, it wasn't as bad down there. \nI am in Southtowns now. I agree 100% that this is a storm like no other in my lifetime. First the 5+ feet of snow a couple weeks ago, now this.\nWe were lucky too. I am SO GLAD you survived!🙏 Too many sad stories that didn't need to happen, and on Christmas no less. Peace & Go Bills!",
">\n\nThis is exactly why I hate snow. I know it's fun to ski and make snowmen and have snow ball fights. It's when you have to clear the snow due to it hindering something or drive in it, deaths result.",
">\n\nNo hair, our skin hurts in low temps, Our noses dont work under low humidity. For all intents and purposes, humans aren't meant to live in the cold.",
">\n\nEmployers:”Walk your ass to work. I’ll see you when the snow dies down because I took vacation.”",
">\n\nSome of those dead must be chili's managers who blew a blood vessel screaming at min wage workers that this storm \" wasn't that bad\" and \" we are going to be crazy busy\"",
">\n\n\"Well yes, but can you still come in? We're short-staffed. Be a team player! It's only a bit of snow!\"",
">\n\nBiggest issue people don’t understand; when you “have to” go to a store or run an errand and you get into an accident, you call 911.\nThose first responders shouldn’t be dealing with you right now, they should be trying to rescue any trapped victims that might still be alive.\nStop being selfish, stay off the roads and if you actually need something, ask neighbors for help, pool your resources and become a better community while others are given a chance to survive.",
">\n\nEmergency services were turned off for 2 days during the storm. The city was completely inaccessible so if you get into an accident you're on your own. My street (a main street in the heart of the west side) had a snow drift as high a stoplight blocking all access. Down the way was an abandoned semitruck blocking the entire road as well as other abandoned cars sprinkled across the landscape. The whole city was like this.",
">\n\nStill there will be a lot of people who think the ban doesn't apply to them because they have to go see grandma.",
">\n\nOr they're homeless and don't have anywhere else to go",
">\n\nHopefully people stay off the roads, bc this is no time to play"
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Wonder how many people did it anyways in the name of “muh freedom” then ran to an already overworked emergency room when their stupidity backfired
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"31 deaths is crazy… stay safe out there!",
">\n\nI'm in Ohio and had to be the bad guy to my in-laws by saying we weren't coming to Christmas Eve, then they called the next day and said it took them an hour to drive 10 minutes home from the dinner we skipped and how dangerous it was. \nSome people gotta touch an oven to see if it's hot when you tell them ¯\\ಠಠ_/¯",
">\n\nAlso in Ohio. Called out of work the day of the storm even though it was only a 15 min drive away. Roads were still not cleared fully 2 days later.",
">\n\nI called out on Friday, I do not like my job enough to risk my life for it, especially during the holiday rush.",
">\n\nDon't get me wrong. My job is great and it pays well. But money is money and it'll cost a lot more for my loved ones to arrange my funeral than it would for me to miss a day of work.",
">\n\nI’m in BC where we got hit pretty bad last week, and my ethos was, “I get paid less in a day than my car insurance deductible costs”",
">\n\nHaha I’m gonna remember this",
">\n\nEmergency services were turned off for 2 days during the storm. The city was completely inaccessible so if you get into an accident you're on your own. My street (a main street in the heart of the west side) had a snow drift as high a stoplight blocking all access. Down the way was an abandoned semitruck blocking the entire road as well as other abandoned cars sprinkled across the landscape completely buried in snow. Trees fallen everywhere too. The whole city was like this.\nI knew it was going to be bad but this one was BAD",
">\n\nYou’ve been hit hard twice and it’s only December. Do you think about moving? Just curious. I live in Maine but come from Rochester NY and I don’t think I could deal with that level of disaster anymore.",
">\n\nGrew up in Rochester as well, moved to Southern Louisiana to get away from the snow. In the 90's I got cuaght several times on the stretch of 90 between Buffalo and Erie and wasn't sure I'd make it home. The snow through there is crazy, I would just follow a semi at a distance and if he went off the road I knew to stop.",
">\n\ndriving around with Semi-traction can be a bit dangerous sometimes.",
">\n\nIf they've got a full load they do better than cars and have more experienced drivers so I follow them too. But with an empty trailer they're screwed in high winds. I was thinking of passing one in Chicago snowstorm but the back drifted just a bit so I slowed down and kept back. Sure enough a few minutes later a gust caught him and the trailer swung across a couple lanes and almost jackknifed. Driver did a great job of getting it straightened back out so kudos to him! That was a long ass stressful drive back home though. I was exhausted.",
">\n\nThis is why people would rush to the store to buy up things like eggs, bread, milk, butter, TP, paper towels, etc... Sure people always panic when it's just a little snow but overall, these types of storms are why.",
">\n\nAlso why it's good to have some canned/dried goods. I keep about 4-5 days worth of soups, canned goods, rice, ramen, clean it out every once in a while if it doesn't get used. It's not costly either, that stuff is fairly cheap. \nBut man, this is pretty crazy. I think the most I've ever been trapped (no driving ban, just felt safe to leave) was 3 days in 2010 for \"Snowmaggedon\", these poor folks are almost going on a week.",
">\n\nYou keep 4-5 days worth?... I feel like I may be a hoarder if 4-5 days is considered a good amount.",
">\n\n4-5 days worth of food is nothing. I live in Louisiana and that’s the bare minimum in my opinion.",
">\n\nI'm pretty sure we have a month's worth of food all combined. Lots of dried beans and rice too. For me, it's to be prepared, and because of the poverty I've experienced, where all my food was from the food bank.",
">\n\nThat's very smart. Dried beans and rice are heaven when you have ZERO access. People don't understand that. it's not about what you want to eat in a disaster, its about eating high caloric/protein meals and staying adequately 'full', or, at the very least, having enough food to have some energy output.",
">\n\nAnother thing is maintaining a more positive mental state. When you don't meet the daily nutritive threshold it can mess with your head. Bad thought loops are the last thing you need in a natural disaster.",
">\n\nThis is 100 why I keep 'mental health food' in my pantry. A chocolate bar. Liquid IVs. Canned fruit. Stuff I know will boost me when I'm low. It helped so much during Ida.",
">\n\nEvery business that stayed open and didn't give their employees the option to stay home should be prosecuted. These people would t have been out in this if it wasn't for fear of losing their jobs. It's disgusting.",
">\n\nToo bad our elected officials don't represent their constituents' interests. Or rather they consider the businesses their constuents, rather than the voters.",
">\n\n\nOr rather they consider the businesses their constituents, rather than the voters.\n\nConservatives make no secret at all about this, and their voters are very straightforward about valuing business owners over regular people.",
">\n\nIt's not just conservatives, sadly. Both parties represent corporations over human beings.",
">\n\nTrue, but conservatives have turned the \"small business owner\" into an identity that they leverage against anybody who might need any sort of govt protections; the narrative is always that JimBob's Tire Emporium will go under if he has to pay over $8/hour or offer insurance. They all see themselves as JimBob. It's a really good trick.\nDems are for sure corrupt and support a lot of corporate agenda items but they campaign on individual wage and debt issues and do actually pass legislation. They're less psychopathic.",
">\n\nAnd yet conservative's talk about small business that way, but vote every damn time to make sure that larger companies get advantages - and those small businesses fail.",
">\n\nSo do Dems. Follow the money, both parties are propped up by the foulest industries and that isn't even considering dark money and super PACS.",
">\n\nI do, but I also look at the voting records. We need to get more people to run under \"Working Families\"that arent just \"better than the worse\" of the democrats.",
">\n\nLowes doesn't care. Still forcing employees to come in",
">\n\nI recently learned from a former Lowe’s employee that they have some sort of agreement with the government to be considered essential so that people and emergency services can get generators and equipment from them",
">\n\njesus, that's a lot of fucking snow \nlooking at that i'm having a mild ptsd from the four straight days of shoveling/blowing last week here in northern WI",
">\n\nHi fellow Northwoods resident!\nThe blow snow is the worst part. Stupid snow drifts. \nAlthough. My subdivision went from an open field to a street full of houses this summer. So the drifting is down considerably.",
">\n\nWyoming enters the chat Someone talking about snowdrifts? The jackalopes have it tough this year.",
">\n\nJesus I saw that Cheyenne dropped 32 degrees in temp in 10 minutes. That is seriously insane weather.",
">\n\nIt was awesome! \nDay after tomorrow quotes for a week! \nWe never lost power so it was a win. What's funny is that it was around 25 this morning. Still wearing short sleeve shirts after the last frost. It was crazy! Hope y'all are safe.",
">\n\nOne wonders if there is a list of missing people and if so, how long the list is",
">\n\nI saw a fucked up video of people coming across someone frozen on the ground.",
">\n\nThat's cold asf",
">\n\nYeah both what they were saying and acting and the fact the person froze to death.",
">\n\nI once slept outside in 5 to 10 degree weather, I hope all the homeless got somewhere warm.",
">\n\n\"Poloncarz, a Democrat, called the blizzard \"the worst storm probably in our lifetime,\" even for an area known for heavy snow. More bodies are expected to be found as the snow is cleared or melts.\" \nWtf does their political affiliation have to do with anything? \n\"Jeff here, who loves cheese, was devastated when his wife was unable to be rescued from her car\".",
">\n\nPeople need to know if they should agree or disagree with the statement about the storm.",
">\n\nWhat?!? He’s a democrat? \nThat’s all I needed to hear to know that this definitely was NOT the worst storm in the city’s history, typical democrat fear mongering.\nTheres no more bodies to find, but I’m sure the democrats will claim they found more bodies just to justify more government spending. They’ll be counting people that died 3 weeks ago as storm deaths. They count bodies the same way they count votes for Biden. LGB!!\n/s",
">\n\nRemenber: whatever out there isn't worth your life",
">\n\nWell said, just chill at your home safely till the storm reduces",
">\n\nMany houses do not have power and people are trying to get to the safety of a community shelter.",
">\n\nThis is true as well",
">\n\nI’m in buffalo we had no power for 74 hours and needed gas to run a generator to stay warm, to survive you have to make choices. There wasn’t even 911 services for the entire city for days.",
">\n\nIt's insane to me they announced no emergency services. It was like 48 hours. All the bodegas near me on the west side got robbed, pretty crazy.",
">\n\nIt is insane, and public services have to warn people and risk the looting. The government is a construct that's a failure when its needed lately. It's not going to get any better either...",
">\n\nThis is not the time to play on the roads, so stay off them",
">\n\nKind of hard to do that if you live in your car.",
">\n\nmy hometown 💔 my sister is still snowed in and had to walk to wegmans to try and get supplies. i really wish i could help",
">\n\nDoesn't help homeless people who have no choice.",
">\n\nMeanwhile, Starbucks etc. demanding to know why employees aren't clocked in",
">\n\nI happened to have my plans messed up from the weather, so I was chillin solo on Xmas. I couldn’t believe my local Starbucks was open. Give em a day, Jeaz! No one is missing Starbucks that day.",
">\n\nRight?\nI mean, it's one thing to be open on a holiday in a busy travel area, especially if you have staff who celebrate other holidays -- but floods, shootings, blizzards, holidays (where it's not necessary or at not busy stores). Pretty sure there is something in the \"How to Be Corporate\" manual that demands stores be open in the most ridiculous situations without exception; in fact, that more ridiculous the more critical it is for the store to be fully staffed :/",
">\n\nFor the people looking in from outside the area, the people of WNY take pride in being able to survive storms with minimal disruption. And remember that we just got thru a monumental storm just before thanksgiving. But unless you are at least 55 yrs old you can’t really remember conditions like those of last week. It was on a whole different level and all the local weatherman warnings about it’s impending severity couldn’t convince a large number of the population. The fact that they hype up a normal lake effect snow storm every 10 days may have played a small part in people disregarding the warnings but that’s a whole other conversation.",
">\n\nThe size of the Low and the massive pressure gradient between it and the cold high behind it was absolutely nuts.",
">\n\n\"but you're still coming in for your shift, right?\" - management",
">\n\nThese managers and store owners should be prosecuted and go to jail.",
">\n\nI'm looking forward to the several lawsuits from employees over their bosses making them show up to work.",
">\n\nThe people at those jobs don't have the means to sue. And if they do the company will stretch it out requiring court appearances but the employee doesn't have that many sick and vacation days so they either show up and lose their job or give up. People can't go that long without work to fight back against the evil bastards. The only chance is a large class action or if the business gets enough bad publicity that they settle.",
">\n\nSo did folks stock up on supplies before this thing hit? If you can't drive you can't get to the grocery store or pharmacy.",
">\n\nThis is why they say you should have 2 weeks worth of non-perishable food at home at all times. Even if it's just soup or pasta. Because there will come a time when you're stuck for several days and everything is shut down. I know it sucks because so many are living paycheck to paycheck, but it's important to have that little stash of food (and medicine).",
">\n\nExactly. Everyone should have an emergency kit.",
">\n\nYou know how bad it is after you learn Buffalo is a place that is no stranger to snow, cold snaps and blizzards.",
">\n\nMy mum couldn’t understand why there have been so many deaths and as someone who’s only been following the situation from a distance I couldn’t really give her a confident answer. Are people dying from being caught in the blizzard outside? Are they trapped inside with no heating or supplies and succumbing to the cold? Is it primarily elderly people? Was this storm foreseen and were people warned to be prepared?",
">\n\nThe snow was so bad, people got stuck on the road. For over 24 hours there were NO emergency services available because ALL their vehicles were stuck. People froze to death or died from carbon monoxide b/c they ran their motors for heat.\nWe has sustained 75mph winds on Friday that immediately knock power out, and heat for those without gas. Water pipes broke. Fires. People became disoriented walking & just fell over & died. The snow was heavy, so shoveling caused heart attacks.\nNo one could prepare us for this. I have lived in the Buffalo area for 54 years. I have seen storms, but not like this.",
">\n\nWe have gas heat but it’s forced air so no power= no heat. (Luckily we only had power flicker a few times- houses down the street lost power). \nI said elsewhere- I’ve never been in a situation where we were told “no emergency services- you’re on your own”. Maybe it happened in ‘77 but I was 5 then and I honestly don’t remember the storm.",
">\n\nI was 9 in '77 so I don't remember a lot either. I was also in Chautauqua county then & like this storm, it wasn't as bad down there. \nI am in Southtowns now. I agree 100% that this is a storm like no other in my lifetime. First the 5+ feet of snow a couple weeks ago, now this.\nWe were lucky too. I am SO GLAD you survived!🙏 Too many sad stories that didn't need to happen, and on Christmas no less. Peace & Go Bills!",
">\n\nThis is exactly why I hate snow. I know it's fun to ski and make snowmen and have snow ball fights. It's when you have to clear the snow due to it hindering something or drive in it, deaths result.",
">\n\nNo hair, our skin hurts in low temps, Our noses dont work under low humidity. For all intents and purposes, humans aren't meant to live in the cold.",
">\n\nEmployers:”Walk your ass to work. I’ll see you when the snow dies down because I took vacation.”",
">\n\nSome of those dead must be chili's managers who blew a blood vessel screaming at min wage workers that this storm \" wasn't that bad\" and \" we are going to be crazy busy\"",
">\n\n\"Well yes, but can you still come in? We're short-staffed. Be a team player! It's only a bit of snow!\"",
">\n\nBiggest issue people don’t understand; when you “have to” go to a store or run an errand and you get into an accident, you call 911.\nThose first responders shouldn’t be dealing with you right now, they should be trying to rescue any trapped victims that might still be alive.\nStop being selfish, stay off the roads and if you actually need something, ask neighbors for help, pool your resources and become a better community while others are given a chance to survive.",
">\n\nEmergency services were turned off for 2 days during the storm. The city was completely inaccessible so if you get into an accident you're on your own. My street (a main street in the heart of the west side) had a snow drift as high a stoplight blocking all access. Down the way was an abandoned semitruck blocking the entire road as well as other abandoned cars sprinkled across the landscape. The whole city was like this.",
">\n\nStill there will be a lot of people who think the ban doesn't apply to them because they have to go see grandma.",
">\n\nOr they're homeless and don't have anywhere else to go",
">\n\nHopefully people stay off the roads, bc this is no time to play",
">\n\nI still don't know anyone personally who has been ticketed for driving during the ban. I think they should automatically ticket every car that was abandoned on a bus route and let the owner explain why they were driving during the ban to determine if they have to pay the fine. People will not obey laws if there's no enforcement.\nPayloaders came down my street last night (Tuesday), so I was able to drive to ECMC to pick up my wife, but on my way there, a friend of mine texted me \"we're at the bar if you want to swing by\". Considering that the bartender had to drive in from Tonawanda, that bar should have been closed."
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Emergency Room? Nobody could get to the hospital and there were no ambulances
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"31 deaths is crazy… stay safe out there!",
">\n\nI'm in Ohio and had to be the bad guy to my in-laws by saying we weren't coming to Christmas Eve, then they called the next day and said it took them an hour to drive 10 minutes home from the dinner we skipped and how dangerous it was. \nSome people gotta touch an oven to see if it's hot when you tell them ¯\\ಠಠ_/¯",
">\n\nAlso in Ohio. Called out of work the day of the storm even though it was only a 15 min drive away. Roads were still not cleared fully 2 days later.",
">\n\nI called out on Friday, I do not like my job enough to risk my life for it, especially during the holiday rush.",
">\n\nDon't get me wrong. My job is great and it pays well. But money is money and it'll cost a lot more for my loved ones to arrange my funeral than it would for me to miss a day of work.",
">\n\nI’m in BC where we got hit pretty bad last week, and my ethos was, “I get paid less in a day than my car insurance deductible costs”",
">\n\nHaha I’m gonna remember this",
">\n\nEmergency services were turned off for 2 days during the storm. The city was completely inaccessible so if you get into an accident you're on your own. My street (a main street in the heart of the west side) had a snow drift as high a stoplight blocking all access. Down the way was an abandoned semitruck blocking the entire road as well as other abandoned cars sprinkled across the landscape completely buried in snow. Trees fallen everywhere too. The whole city was like this.\nI knew it was going to be bad but this one was BAD",
">\n\nYou’ve been hit hard twice and it’s only December. Do you think about moving? Just curious. I live in Maine but come from Rochester NY and I don’t think I could deal with that level of disaster anymore.",
">\n\nGrew up in Rochester as well, moved to Southern Louisiana to get away from the snow. In the 90's I got cuaght several times on the stretch of 90 between Buffalo and Erie and wasn't sure I'd make it home. The snow through there is crazy, I would just follow a semi at a distance and if he went off the road I knew to stop.",
">\n\ndriving around with Semi-traction can be a bit dangerous sometimes.",
">\n\nIf they've got a full load they do better than cars and have more experienced drivers so I follow them too. But with an empty trailer they're screwed in high winds. I was thinking of passing one in Chicago snowstorm but the back drifted just a bit so I slowed down and kept back. Sure enough a few minutes later a gust caught him and the trailer swung across a couple lanes and almost jackknifed. Driver did a great job of getting it straightened back out so kudos to him! That was a long ass stressful drive back home though. I was exhausted.",
">\n\nThis is why people would rush to the store to buy up things like eggs, bread, milk, butter, TP, paper towels, etc... Sure people always panic when it's just a little snow but overall, these types of storms are why.",
">\n\nAlso why it's good to have some canned/dried goods. I keep about 4-5 days worth of soups, canned goods, rice, ramen, clean it out every once in a while if it doesn't get used. It's not costly either, that stuff is fairly cheap. \nBut man, this is pretty crazy. I think the most I've ever been trapped (no driving ban, just felt safe to leave) was 3 days in 2010 for \"Snowmaggedon\", these poor folks are almost going on a week.",
">\n\nYou keep 4-5 days worth?... I feel like I may be a hoarder if 4-5 days is considered a good amount.",
">\n\n4-5 days worth of food is nothing. I live in Louisiana and that’s the bare minimum in my opinion.",
">\n\nI'm pretty sure we have a month's worth of food all combined. Lots of dried beans and rice too. For me, it's to be prepared, and because of the poverty I've experienced, where all my food was from the food bank.",
">\n\nThat's very smart. Dried beans and rice are heaven when you have ZERO access. People don't understand that. it's not about what you want to eat in a disaster, its about eating high caloric/protein meals and staying adequately 'full', or, at the very least, having enough food to have some energy output.",
">\n\nAnother thing is maintaining a more positive mental state. When you don't meet the daily nutritive threshold it can mess with your head. Bad thought loops are the last thing you need in a natural disaster.",
">\n\nThis is 100 why I keep 'mental health food' in my pantry. A chocolate bar. Liquid IVs. Canned fruit. Stuff I know will boost me when I'm low. It helped so much during Ida.",
">\n\nEvery business that stayed open and didn't give their employees the option to stay home should be prosecuted. These people would t have been out in this if it wasn't for fear of losing their jobs. It's disgusting.",
">\n\nToo bad our elected officials don't represent their constituents' interests. Or rather they consider the businesses their constuents, rather than the voters.",
">\n\n\nOr rather they consider the businesses their constituents, rather than the voters.\n\nConservatives make no secret at all about this, and their voters are very straightforward about valuing business owners over regular people.",
">\n\nIt's not just conservatives, sadly. Both parties represent corporations over human beings.",
">\n\nTrue, but conservatives have turned the \"small business owner\" into an identity that they leverage against anybody who might need any sort of govt protections; the narrative is always that JimBob's Tire Emporium will go under if he has to pay over $8/hour or offer insurance. They all see themselves as JimBob. It's a really good trick.\nDems are for sure corrupt and support a lot of corporate agenda items but they campaign on individual wage and debt issues and do actually pass legislation. They're less psychopathic.",
">\n\nAnd yet conservative's talk about small business that way, but vote every damn time to make sure that larger companies get advantages - and those small businesses fail.",
">\n\nSo do Dems. Follow the money, both parties are propped up by the foulest industries and that isn't even considering dark money and super PACS.",
">\n\nI do, but I also look at the voting records. We need to get more people to run under \"Working Families\"that arent just \"better than the worse\" of the democrats.",
">\n\nLowes doesn't care. Still forcing employees to come in",
">\n\nI recently learned from a former Lowe’s employee that they have some sort of agreement with the government to be considered essential so that people and emergency services can get generators and equipment from them",
">\n\njesus, that's a lot of fucking snow \nlooking at that i'm having a mild ptsd from the four straight days of shoveling/blowing last week here in northern WI",
">\n\nHi fellow Northwoods resident!\nThe blow snow is the worst part. Stupid snow drifts. \nAlthough. My subdivision went from an open field to a street full of houses this summer. So the drifting is down considerably.",
">\n\nWyoming enters the chat Someone talking about snowdrifts? The jackalopes have it tough this year.",
">\n\nJesus I saw that Cheyenne dropped 32 degrees in temp in 10 minutes. That is seriously insane weather.",
">\n\nIt was awesome! \nDay after tomorrow quotes for a week! \nWe never lost power so it was a win. What's funny is that it was around 25 this morning. Still wearing short sleeve shirts after the last frost. It was crazy! Hope y'all are safe.",
">\n\nOne wonders if there is a list of missing people and if so, how long the list is",
">\n\nI saw a fucked up video of people coming across someone frozen on the ground.",
">\n\nThat's cold asf",
">\n\nYeah both what they were saying and acting and the fact the person froze to death.",
">\n\nI once slept outside in 5 to 10 degree weather, I hope all the homeless got somewhere warm.",
">\n\n\"Poloncarz, a Democrat, called the blizzard \"the worst storm probably in our lifetime,\" even for an area known for heavy snow. More bodies are expected to be found as the snow is cleared or melts.\" \nWtf does their political affiliation have to do with anything? \n\"Jeff here, who loves cheese, was devastated when his wife was unable to be rescued from her car\".",
">\n\nPeople need to know if they should agree or disagree with the statement about the storm.",
">\n\nWhat?!? He’s a democrat? \nThat’s all I needed to hear to know that this definitely was NOT the worst storm in the city’s history, typical democrat fear mongering.\nTheres no more bodies to find, but I’m sure the democrats will claim they found more bodies just to justify more government spending. They’ll be counting people that died 3 weeks ago as storm deaths. They count bodies the same way they count votes for Biden. LGB!!\n/s",
">\n\nRemenber: whatever out there isn't worth your life",
">\n\nWell said, just chill at your home safely till the storm reduces",
">\n\nMany houses do not have power and people are trying to get to the safety of a community shelter.",
">\n\nThis is true as well",
">\n\nI’m in buffalo we had no power for 74 hours and needed gas to run a generator to stay warm, to survive you have to make choices. There wasn’t even 911 services for the entire city for days.",
">\n\nIt's insane to me they announced no emergency services. It was like 48 hours. All the bodegas near me on the west side got robbed, pretty crazy.",
">\n\nIt is insane, and public services have to warn people and risk the looting. The government is a construct that's a failure when its needed lately. It's not going to get any better either...",
">\n\nThis is not the time to play on the roads, so stay off them",
">\n\nKind of hard to do that if you live in your car.",
">\n\nmy hometown 💔 my sister is still snowed in and had to walk to wegmans to try and get supplies. i really wish i could help",
">\n\nDoesn't help homeless people who have no choice.",
">\n\nMeanwhile, Starbucks etc. demanding to know why employees aren't clocked in",
">\n\nI happened to have my plans messed up from the weather, so I was chillin solo on Xmas. I couldn’t believe my local Starbucks was open. Give em a day, Jeaz! No one is missing Starbucks that day.",
">\n\nRight?\nI mean, it's one thing to be open on a holiday in a busy travel area, especially if you have staff who celebrate other holidays -- but floods, shootings, blizzards, holidays (where it's not necessary or at not busy stores). Pretty sure there is something in the \"How to Be Corporate\" manual that demands stores be open in the most ridiculous situations without exception; in fact, that more ridiculous the more critical it is for the store to be fully staffed :/",
">\n\nFor the people looking in from outside the area, the people of WNY take pride in being able to survive storms with minimal disruption. And remember that we just got thru a monumental storm just before thanksgiving. But unless you are at least 55 yrs old you can’t really remember conditions like those of last week. It was on a whole different level and all the local weatherman warnings about it’s impending severity couldn’t convince a large number of the population. The fact that they hype up a normal lake effect snow storm every 10 days may have played a small part in people disregarding the warnings but that’s a whole other conversation.",
">\n\nThe size of the Low and the massive pressure gradient between it and the cold high behind it was absolutely nuts.",
">\n\n\"but you're still coming in for your shift, right?\" - management",
">\n\nThese managers and store owners should be prosecuted and go to jail.",
">\n\nI'm looking forward to the several lawsuits from employees over their bosses making them show up to work.",
">\n\nThe people at those jobs don't have the means to sue. And if they do the company will stretch it out requiring court appearances but the employee doesn't have that many sick and vacation days so they either show up and lose their job or give up. People can't go that long without work to fight back against the evil bastards. The only chance is a large class action or if the business gets enough bad publicity that they settle.",
">\n\nSo did folks stock up on supplies before this thing hit? If you can't drive you can't get to the grocery store or pharmacy.",
">\n\nThis is why they say you should have 2 weeks worth of non-perishable food at home at all times. Even if it's just soup or pasta. Because there will come a time when you're stuck for several days and everything is shut down. I know it sucks because so many are living paycheck to paycheck, but it's important to have that little stash of food (and medicine).",
">\n\nExactly. Everyone should have an emergency kit.",
">\n\nYou know how bad it is after you learn Buffalo is a place that is no stranger to snow, cold snaps and blizzards.",
">\n\nMy mum couldn’t understand why there have been so many deaths and as someone who’s only been following the situation from a distance I couldn’t really give her a confident answer. Are people dying from being caught in the blizzard outside? Are they trapped inside with no heating or supplies and succumbing to the cold? Is it primarily elderly people? Was this storm foreseen and were people warned to be prepared?",
">\n\nThe snow was so bad, people got stuck on the road. For over 24 hours there were NO emergency services available because ALL their vehicles were stuck. People froze to death or died from carbon monoxide b/c they ran their motors for heat.\nWe has sustained 75mph winds on Friday that immediately knock power out, and heat for those without gas. Water pipes broke. Fires. People became disoriented walking & just fell over & died. The snow was heavy, so shoveling caused heart attacks.\nNo one could prepare us for this. I have lived in the Buffalo area for 54 years. I have seen storms, but not like this.",
">\n\nWe have gas heat but it’s forced air so no power= no heat. (Luckily we only had power flicker a few times- houses down the street lost power). \nI said elsewhere- I’ve never been in a situation where we were told “no emergency services- you’re on your own”. Maybe it happened in ‘77 but I was 5 then and I honestly don’t remember the storm.",
">\n\nI was 9 in '77 so I don't remember a lot either. I was also in Chautauqua county then & like this storm, it wasn't as bad down there. \nI am in Southtowns now. I agree 100% that this is a storm like no other in my lifetime. First the 5+ feet of snow a couple weeks ago, now this.\nWe were lucky too. I am SO GLAD you survived!🙏 Too many sad stories that didn't need to happen, and on Christmas no less. Peace & Go Bills!",
">\n\nThis is exactly why I hate snow. I know it's fun to ski and make snowmen and have snow ball fights. It's when you have to clear the snow due to it hindering something or drive in it, deaths result.",
">\n\nNo hair, our skin hurts in low temps, Our noses dont work under low humidity. For all intents and purposes, humans aren't meant to live in the cold.",
">\n\nEmployers:”Walk your ass to work. I’ll see you when the snow dies down because I took vacation.”",
">\n\nSome of those dead must be chili's managers who blew a blood vessel screaming at min wage workers that this storm \" wasn't that bad\" and \" we are going to be crazy busy\"",
">\n\n\"Well yes, but can you still come in? We're short-staffed. Be a team player! It's only a bit of snow!\"",
">\n\nBiggest issue people don’t understand; when you “have to” go to a store or run an errand and you get into an accident, you call 911.\nThose first responders shouldn’t be dealing with you right now, they should be trying to rescue any trapped victims that might still be alive.\nStop being selfish, stay off the roads and if you actually need something, ask neighbors for help, pool your resources and become a better community while others are given a chance to survive.",
">\n\nEmergency services were turned off for 2 days during the storm. The city was completely inaccessible so if you get into an accident you're on your own. My street (a main street in the heart of the west side) had a snow drift as high a stoplight blocking all access. Down the way was an abandoned semitruck blocking the entire road as well as other abandoned cars sprinkled across the landscape. The whole city was like this.",
">\n\nStill there will be a lot of people who think the ban doesn't apply to them because they have to go see grandma.",
">\n\nOr they're homeless and don't have anywhere else to go",
">\n\nHopefully people stay off the roads, bc this is no time to play",
">\n\nI still don't know anyone personally who has been ticketed for driving during the ban. I think they should automatically ticket every car that was abandoned on a bus route and let the owner explain why they were driving during the ban to determine if they have to pay the fine. People will not obey laws if there's no enforcement.\nPayloaders came down my street last night (Tuesday), so I was able to drive to ECMC to pick up my wife, but on my way there, a friend of mine texted me \"we're at the bar if you want to swing by\". Considering that the bartender had to drive in from Tonawanda, that bar should have been closed.",
">\n\nWonder how many people did it anyways in the name of “muh freedom” then ran to an already overworked emergency room when their stupidity backfired"
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Newspapers had a combination of revenue. Income from subscribers and newsboxes proved their circulation which helped them sell ads. When people stopped paying for the paper they were also no longer eyeballs for the ads. And the fact that they paid to read in the first place contributes to the investment each party has in the advertiser, publication, readership relationship.
Basic news reporting is worth every penny you pay, and even subscribing you should still look at every article critically for spin. Anyone who gives it to you free has an angle of their own.
Edited to add: my parents subscribed to papers. I just read the headlines.
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"31 deaths is crazy… stay safe out there!",
">\n\nI'm in Ohio and had to be the bad guy to my in-laws by saying we weren't coming to Christmas Eve, then they called the next day and said it took them an hour to drive 10 minutes home from the dinner we skipped and how dangerous it was. \nSome people gotta touch an oven to see if it's hot when you tell them ¯\\ಠಠ_/¯",
">\n\nAlso in Ohio. Called out of work the day of the storm even though it was only a 15 min drive away. Roads were still not cleared fully 2 days later.",
">\n\nI called out on Friday, I do not like my job enough to risk my life for it, especially during the holiday rush.",
">\n\nDon't get me wrong. My job is great and it pays well. But money is money and it'll cost a lot more for my loved ones to arrange my funeral than it would for me to miss a day of work.",
">\n\nI’m in BC where we got hit pretty bad last week, and my ethos was, “I get paid less in a day than my car insurance deductible costs”",
">\n\nHaha I’m gonna remember this",
">\n\nEmergency services were turned off for 2 days during the storm. The city was completely inaccessible so if you get into an accident you're on your own. My street (a main street in the heart of the west side) had a snow drift as high a stoplight blocking all access. Down the way was an abandoned semitruck blocking the entire road as well as other abandoned cars sprinkled across the landscape completely buried in snow. Trees fallen everywhere too. The whole city was like this.\nI knew it was going to be bad but this one was BAD",
">\n\nYou’ve been hit hard twice and it’s only December. Do you think about moving? Just curious. I live in Maine but come from Rochester NY and I don’t think I could deal with that level of disaster anymore.",
">\n\nGrew up in Rochester as well, moved to Southern Louisiana to get away from the snow. In the 90's I got cuaght several times on the stretch of 90 between Buffalo and Erie and wasn't sure I'd make it home. The snow through there is crazy, I would just follow a semi at a distance and if he went off the road I knew to stop.",
">\n\ndriving around with Semi-traction can be a bit dangerous sometimes.",
">\n\nIf they've got a full load they do better than cars and have more experienced drivers so I follow them too. But with an empty trailer they're screwed in high winds. I was thinking of passing one in Chicago snowstorm but the back drifted just a bit so I slowed down and kept back. Sure enough a few minutes later a gust caught him and the trailer swung across a couple lanes and almost jackknifed. Driver did a great job of getting it straightened back out so kudos to him! That was a long ass stressful drive back home though. I was exhausted.",
">\n\nThis is why people would rush to the store to buy up things like eggs, bread, milk, butter, TP, paper towels, etc... Sure people always panic when it's just a little snow but overall, these types of storms are why.",
">\n\nAlso why it's good to have some canned/dried goods. I keep about 4-5 days worth of soups, canned goods, rice, ramen, clean it out every once in a while if it doesn't get used. It's not costly either, that stuff is fairly cheap. \nBut man, this is pretty crazy. I think the most I've ever been trapped (no driving ban, just felt safe to leave) was 3 days in 2010 for \"Snowmaggedon\", these poor folks are almost going on a week.",
">\n\nYou keep 4-5 days worth?... I feel like I may be a hoarder if 4-5 days is considered a good amount.",
">\n\n4-5 days worth of food is nothing. I live in Louisiana and that’s the bare minimum in my opinion.",
">\n\nI'm pretty sure we have a month's worth of food all combined. Lots of dried beans and rice too. For me, it's to be prepared, and because of the poverty I've experienced, where all my food was from the food bank.",
">\n\nThat's very smart. Dried beans and rice are heaven when you have ZERO access. People don't understand that. it's not about what you want to eat in a disaster, its about eating high caloric/protein meals and staying adequately 'full', or, at the very least, having enough food to have some energy output.",
">\n\nAnother thing is maintaining a more positive mental state. When you don't meet the daily nutritive threshold it can mess with your head. Bad thought loops are the last thing you need in a natural disaster.",
">\n\nThis is 100 why I keep 'mental health food' in my pantry. A chocolate bar. Liquid IVs. Canned fruit. Stuff I know will boost me when I'm low. It helped so much during Ida.",
">\n\nEvery business that stayed open and didn't give their employees the option to stay home should be prosecuted. These people would t have been out in this if it wasn't for fear of losing their jobs. It's disgusting.",
">\n\nToo bad our elected officials don't represent their constituents' interests. Or rather they consider the businesses their constuents, rather than the voters.",
">\n\n\nOr rather they consider the businesses their constituents, rather than the voters.\n\nConservatives make no secret at all about this, and their voters are very straightforward about valuing business owners over regular people.",
">\n\nIt's not just conservatives, sadly. Both parties represent corporations over human beings.",
">\n\nTrue, but conservatives have turned the \"small business owner\" into an identity that they leverage against anybody who might need any sort of govt protections; the narrative is always that JimBob's Tire Emporium will go under if he has to pay over $8/hour or offer insurance. They all see themselves as JimBob. It's a really good trick.\nDems are for sure corrupt and support a lot of corporate agenda items but they campaign on individual wage and debt issues and do actually pass legislation. They're less psychopathic.",
">\n\nAnd yet conservative's talk about small business that way, but vote every damn time to make sure that larger companies get advantages - and those small businesses fail.",
">\n\nSo do Dems. Follow the money, both parties are propped up by the foulest industries and that isn't even considering dark money and super PACS.",
">\n\nI do, but I also look at the voting records. We need to get more people to run under \"Working Families\"that arent just \"better than the worse\" of the democrats.",
">\n\nLowes doesn't care. Still forcing employees to come in",
">\n\nI recently learned from a former Lowe’s employee that they have some sort of agreement with the government to be considered essential so that people and emergency services can get generators and equipment from them",
">\n\njesus, that's a lot of fucking snow \nlooking at that i'm having a mild ptsd from the four straight days of shoveling/blowing last week here in northern WI",
">\n\nHi fellow Northwoods resident!\nThe blow snow is the worst part. Stupid snow drifts. \nAlthough. My subdivision went from an open field to a street full of houses this summer. So the drifting is down considerably.",
">\n\nWyoming enters the chat Someone talking about snowdrifts? The jackalopes have it tough this year.",
">\n\nJesus I saw that Cheyenne dropped 32 degrees in temp in 10 minutes. That is seriously insane weather.",
">\n\nIt was awesome! \nDay after tomorrow quotes for a week! \nWe never lost power so it was a win. What's funny is that it was around 25 this morning. Still wearing short sleeve shirts after the last frost. It was crazy! Hope y'all are safe.",
">\n\nOne wonders if there is a list of missing people and if so, how long the list is",
">\n\nI saw a fucked up video of people coming across someone frozen on the ground.",
">\n\nThat's cold asf",
">\n\nYeah both what they were saying and acting and the fact the person froze to death.",
">\n\nI once slept outside in 5 to 10 degree weather, I hope all the homeless got somewhere warm.",
">\n\n\"Poloncarz, a Democrat, called the blizzard \"the worst storm probably in our lifetime,\" even for an area known for heavy snow. More bodies are expected to be found as the snow is cleared or melts.\" \nWtf does their political affiliation have to do with anything? \n\"Jeff here, who loves cheese, was devastated when his wife was unable to be rescued from her car\".",
">\n\nPeople need to know if they should agree or disagree with the statement about the storm.",
">\n\nWhat?!? He’s a democrat? \nThat’s all I needed to hear to know that this definitely was NOT the worst storm in the city’s history, typical democrat fear mongering.\nTheres no more bodies to find, but I’m sure the democrats will claim they found more bodies just to justify more government spending. They’ll be counting people that died 3 weeks ago as storm deaths. They count bodies the same way they count votes for Biden. LGB!!\n/s",
">\n\nRemenber: whatever out there isn't worth your life",
">\n\nWell said, just chill at your home safely till the storm reduces",
">\n\nMany houses do not have power and people are trying to get to the safety of a community shelter.",
">\n\nThis is true as well",
">\n\nI’m in buffalo we had no power for 74 hours and needed gas to run a generator to stay warm, to survive you have to make choices. There wasn’t even 911 services for the entire city for days.",
">\n\nIt's insane to me they announced no emergency services. It was like 48 hours. All the bodegas near me on the west side got robbed, pretty crazy.",
">\n\nIt is insane, and public services have to warn people and risk the looting. The government is a construct that's a failure when its needed lately. It's not going to get any better either...",
">\n\nThis is not the time to play on the roads, so stay off them",
">\n\nKind of hard to do that if you live in your car.",
">\n\nmy hometown 💔 my sister is still snowed in and had to walk to wegmans to try and get supplies. i really wish i could help",
">\n\nDoesn't help homeless people who have no choice.",
">\n\nMeanwhile, Starbucks etc. demanding to know why employees aren't clocked in",
">\n\nI happened to have my plans messed up from the weather, so I was chillin solo on Xmas. I couldn’t believe my local Starbucks was open. Give em a day, Jeaz! No one is missing Starbucks that day.",
">\n\nRight?\nI mean, it's one thing to be open on a holiday in a busy travel area, especially if you have staff who celebrate other holidays -- but floods, shootings, blizzards, holidays (where it's not necessary or at not busy stores). Pretty sure there is something in the \"How to Be Corporate\" manual that demands stores be open in the most ridiculous situations without exception; in fact, that more ridiculous the more critical it is for the store to be fully staffed :/",
">\n\nFor the people looking in from outside the area, the people of WNY take pride in being able to survive storms with minimal disruption. And remember that we just got thru a monumental storm just before thanksgiving. But unless you are at least 55 yrs old you can’t really remember conditions like those of last week. It was on a whole different level and all the local weatherman warnings about it’s impending severity couldn’t convince a large number of the population. The fact that they hype up a normal lake effect snow storm every 10 days may have played a small part in people disregarding the warnings but that’s a whole other conversation.",
">\n\nThe size of the Low and the massive pressure gradient between it and the cold high behind it was absolutely nuts.",
">\n\n\"but you're still coming in for your shift, right?\" - management",
">\n\nThese managers and store owners should be prosecuted and go to jail.",
">\n\nI'm looking forward to the several lawsuits from employees over their bosses making them show up to work.",
">\n\nThe people at those jobs don't have the means to sue. And if they do the company will stretch it out requiring court appearances but the employee doesn't have that many sick and vacation days so they either show up and lose their job or give up. People can't go that long without work to fight back against the evil bastards. The only chance is a large class action or if the business gets enough bad publicity that they settle.",
">\n\nSo did folks stock up on supplies before this thing hit? If you can't drive you can't get to the grocery store or pharmacy.",
">\n\nThis is why they say you should have 2 weeks worth of non-perishable food at home at all times. Even if it's just soup or pasta. Because there will come a time when you're stuck for several days and everything is shut down. I know it sucks because so many are living paycheck to paycheck, but it's important to have that little stash of food (and medicine).",
">\n\nExactly. Everyone should have an emergency kit.",
">\n\nYou know how bad it is after you learn Buffalo is a place that is no stranger to snow, cold snaps and blizzards.",
">\n\nMy mum couldn’t understand why there have been so many deaths and as someone who’s only been following the situation from a distance I couldn’t really give her a confident answer. Are people dying from being caught in the blizzard outside? Are they trapped inside with no heating or supplies and succumbing to the cold? Is it primarily elderly people? Was this storm foreseen and were people warned to be prepared?",
">\n\nThe snow was so bad, people got stuck on the road. For over 24 hours there were NO emergency services available because ALL their vehicles were stuck. People froze to death or died from carbon monoxide b/c they ran their motors for heat.\nWe has sustained 75mph winds on Friday that immediately knock power out, and heat for those without gas. Water pipes broke. Fires. People became disoriented walking & just fell over & died. The snow was heavy, so shoveling caused heart attacks.\nNo one could prepare us for this. I have lived in the Buffalo area for 54 years. I have seen storms, but not like this.",
">\n\nWe have gas heat but it’s forced air so no power= no heat. (Luckily we only had power flicker a few times- houses down the street lost power). \nI said elsewhere- I’ve never been in a situation where we were told “no emergency services- you’re on your own”. Maybe it happened in ‘77 but I was 5 then and I honestly don’t remember the storm.",
">\n\nI was 9 in '77 so I don't remember a lot either. I was also in Chautauqua county then & like this storm, it wasn't as bad down there. \nI am in Southtowns now. I agree 100% that this is a storm like no other in my lifetime. First the 5+ feet of snow a couple weeks ago, now this.\nWe were lucky too. I am SO GLAD you survived!🙏 Too many sad stories that didn't need to happen, and on Christmas no less. Peace & Go Bills!",
">\n\nThis is exactly why I hate snow. I know it's fun to ski and make snowmen and have snow ball fights. It's when you have to clear the snow due to it hindering something or drive in it, deaths result.",
">\n\nNo hair, our skin hurts in low temps, Our noses dont work under low humidity. For all intents and purposes, humans aren't meant to live in the cold.",
">\n\nEmployers:”Walk your ass to work. I’ll see you when the snow dies down because I took vacation.”",
">\n\nSome of those dead must be chili's managers who blew a blood vessel screaming at min wage workers that this storm \" wasn't that bad\" and \" we are going to be crazy busy\"",
">\n\n\"Well yes, but can you still come in? We're short-staffed. Be a team player! It's only a bit of snow!\"",
">\n\nBiggest issue people don’t understand; when you “have to” go to a store or run an errand and you get into an accident, you call 911.\nThose first responders shouldn’t be dealing with you right now, they should be trying to rescue any trapped victims that might still be alive.\nStop being selfish, stay off the roads and if you actually need something, ask neighbors for help, pool your resources and become a better community while others are given a chance to survive.",
">\n\nEmergency services were turned off for 2 days during the storm. The city was completely inaccessible so if you get into an accident you're on your own. My street (a main street in the heart of the west side) had a snow drift as high a stoplight blocking all access. Down the way was an abandoned semitruck blocking the entire road as well as other abandoned cars sprinkled across the landscape. The whole city was like this.",
">\n\nStill there will be a lot of people who think the ban doesn't apply to them because they have to go see grandma.",
">\n\nOr they're homeless and don't have anywhere else to go",
">\n\nHopefully people stay off the roads, bc this is no time to play",
">\n\nI still don't know anyone personally who has been ticketed for driving during the ban. I think they should automatically ticket every car that was abandoned on a bus route and let the owner explain why they were driving during the ban to determine if they have to pay the fine. People will not obey laws if there's no enforcement.\nPayloaders came down my street last night (Tuesday), so I was able to drive to ECMC to pick up my wife, but on my way there, a friend of mine texted me \"we're at the bar if you want to swing by\". Considering that the bartender had to drive in from Tonawanda, that bar should have been closed.",
">\n\nWonder how many people did it anyways in the name of “muh freedom” then ran to an already overworked emergency room when their stupidity backfired",
">\n\nEmergency Room? Nobody could get to the hospital and there were no ambulances"
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"31 deaths is crazy… stay safe out there!",
">\n\nI'm in Ohio and had to be the bad guy to my in-laws by saying we weren't coming to Christmas Eve, then they called the next day and said it took them an hour to drive 10 minutes home from the dinner we skipped and how dangerous it was. \nSome people gotta touch an oven to see if it's hot when you tell them ¯\\ಠಠ_/¯",
">\n\nAlso in Ohio. Called out of work the day of the storm even though it was only a 15 min drive away. Roads were still not cleared fully 2 days later.",
">\n\nI called out on Friday, I do not like my job enough to risk my life for it, especially during the holiday rush.",
">\n\nDon't get me wrong. My job is great and it pays well. But money is money and it'll cost a lot more for my loved ones to arrange my funeral than it would for me to miss a day of work.",
">\n\nI’m in BC where we got hit pretty bad last week, and my ethos was, “I get paid less in a day than my car insurance deductible costs”",
">\n\nHaha I’m gonna remember this",
">\n\nEmergency services were turned off for 2 days during the storm. The city was completely inaccessible so if you get into an accident you're on your own. My street (a main street in the heart of the west side) had a snow drift as high a stoplight blocking all access. Down the way was an abandoned semitruck blocking the entire road as well as other abandoned cars sprinkled across the landscape completely buried in snow. Trees fallen everywhere too. The whole city was like this.\nI knew it was going to be bad but this one was BAD",
">\n\nYou’ve been hit hard twice and it’s only December. Do you think about moving? Just curious. I live in Maine but come from Rochester NY and I don’t think I could deal with that level of disaster anymore.",
">\n\nGrew up in Rochester as well, moved to Southern Louisiana to get away from the snow. In the 90's I got cuaght several times on the stretch of 90 between Buffalo and Erie and wasn't sure I'd make it home. The snow through there is crazy, I would just follow a semi at a distance and if he went off the road I knew to stop.",
">\n\ndriving around with Semi-traction can be a bit dangerous sometimes.",
">\n\nIf they've got a full load they do better than cars and have more experienced drivers so I follow them too. But with an empty trailer they're screwed in high winds. I was thinking of passing one in Chicago snowstorm but the back drifted just a bit so I slowed down and kept back. Sure enough a few minutes later a gust caught him and the trailer swung across a couple lanes and almost jackknifed. Driver did a great job of getting it straightened back out so kudos to him! That was a long ass stressful drive back home though. I was exhausted.",
">\n\nThis is why people would rush to the store to buy up things like eggs, bread, milk, butter, TP, paper towels, etc... Sure people always panic when it's just a little snow but overall, these types of storms are why.",
">\n\nAlso why it's good to have some canned/dried goods. I keep about 4-5 days worth of soups, canned goods, rice, ramen, clean it out every once in a while if it doesn't get used. It's not costly either, that stuff is fairly cheap. \nBut man, this is pretty crazy. I think the most I've ever been trapped (no driving ban, just felt safe to leave) was 3 days in 2010 for \"Snowmaggedon\", these poor folks are almost going on a week.",
">\n\nYou keep 4-5 days worth?... I feel like I may be a hoarder if 4-5 days is considered a good amount.",
">\n\n4-5 days worth of food is nothing. I live in Louisiana and that’s the bare minimum in my opinion.",
">\n\nI'm pretty sure we have a month's worth of food all combined. Lots of dried beans and rice too. For me, it's to be prepared, and because of the poverty I've experienced, where all my food was from the food bank.",
">\n\nThat's very smart. Dried beans and rice are heaven when you have ZERO access. People don't understand that. it's not about what you want to eat in a disaster, its about eating high caloric/protein meals and staying adequately 'full', or, at the very least, having enough food to have some energy output.",
">\n\nAnother thing is maintaining a more positive mental state. When you don't meet the daily nutritive threshold it can mess with your head. Bad thought loops are the last thing you need in a natural disaster.",
">\n\nThis is 100 why I keep 'mental health food' in my pantry. A chocolate bar. Liquid IVs. Canned fruit. Stuff I know will boost me when I'm low. It helped so much during Ida.",
">\n\nEvery business that stayed open and didn't give their employees the option to stay home should be prosecuted. These people would t have been out in this if it wasn't for fear of losing their jobs. It's disgusting.",
">\n\nToo bad our elected officials don't represent their constituents' interests. Or rather they consider the businesses their constuents, rather than the voters.",
">\n\n\nOr rather they consider the businesses their constituents, rather than the voters.\n\nConservatives make no secret at all about this, and their voters are very straightforward about valuing business owners over regular people.",
">\n\nIt's not just conservatives, sadly. Both parties represent corporations over human beings.",
">\n\nTrue, but conservatives have turned the \"small business owner\" into an identity that they leverage against anybody who might need any sort of govt protections; the narrative is always that JimBob's Tire Emporium will go under if he has to pay over $8/hour or offer insurance. They all see themselves as JimBob. It's a really good trick.\nDems are for sure corrupt and support a lot of corporate agenda items but they campaign on individual wage and debt issues and do actually pass legislation. They're less psychopathic.",
">\n\nAnd yet conservative's talk about small business that way, but vote every damn time to make sure that larger companies get advantages - and those small businesses fail.",
">\n\nSo do Dems. Follow the money, both parties are propped up by the foulest industries and that isn't even considering dark money and super PACS.",
">\n\nI do, but I also look at the voting records. We need to get more people to run under \"Working Families\"that arent just \"better than the worse\" of the democrats.",
">\n\nLowes doesn't care. Still forcing employees to come in",
">\n\nI recently learned from a former Lowe’s employee that they have some sort of agreement with the government to be considered essential so that people and emergency services can get generators and equipment from them",
">\n\njesus, that's a lot of fucking snow \nlooking at that i'm having a mild ptsd from the four straight days of shoveling/blowing last week here in northern WI",
">\n\nHi fellow Northwoods resident!\nThe blow snow is the worst part. Stupid snow drifts. \nAlthough. My subdivision went from an open field to a street full of houses this summer. So the drifting is down considerably.",
">\n\nWyoming enters the chat Someone talking about snowdrifts? The jackalopes have it tough this year.",
">\n\nJesus I saw that Cheyenne dropped 32 degrees in temp in 10 minutes. That is seriously insane weather.",
">\n\nIt was awesome! \nDay after tomorrow quotes for a week! \nWe never lost power so it was a win. What's funny is that it was around 25 this morning. Still wearing short sleeve shirts after the last frost. It was crazy! Hope y'all are safe.",
">\n\nOne wonders if there is a list of missing people and if so, how long the list is",
">\n\nI saw a fucked up video of people coming across someone frozen on the ground.",
">\n\nThat's cold asf",
">\n\nYeah both what they were saying and acting and the fact the person froze to death.",
">\n\nI once slept outside in 5 to 10 degree weather, I hope all the homeless got somewhere warm.",
">\n\n\"Poloncarz, a Democrat, called the blizzard \"the worst storm probably in our lifetime,\" even for an area known for heavy snow. More bodies are expected to be found as the snow is cleared or melts.\" \nWtf does their political affiliation have to do with anything? \n\"Jeff here, who loves cheese, was devastated when his wife was unable to be rescued from her car\".",
">\n\nPeople need to know if they should agree or disagree with the statement about the storm.",
">\n\nWhat?!? He’s a democrat? \nThat’s all I needed to hear to know that this definitely was NOT the worst storm in the city’s history, typical democrat fear mongering.\nTheres no more bodies to find, but I’m sure the democrats will claim they found more bodies just to justify more government spending. They’ll be counting people that died 3 weeks ago as storm deaths. They count bodies the same way they count votes for Biden. LGB!!\n/s",
">\n\nRemenber: whatever out there isn't worth your life",
">\n\nWell said, just chill at your home safely till the storm reduces",
">\n\nMany houses do not have power and people are trying to get to the safety of a community shelter.",
">\n\nThis is true as well",
">\n\nI’m in buffalo we had no power for 74 hours and needed gas to run a generator to stay warm, to survive you have to make choices. There wasn’t even 911 services for the entire city for days.",
">\n\nIt's insane to me they announced no emergency services. It was like 48 hours. All the bodegas near me on the west side got robbed, pretty crazy.",
">\n\nIt is insane, and public services have to warn people and risk the looting. The government is a construct that's a failure when its needed lately. It's not going to get any better either...",
">\n\nThis is not the time to play on the roads, so stay off them",
">\n\nKind of hard to do that if you live in your car.",
">\n\nmy hometown 💔 my sister is still snowed in and had to walk to wegmans to try and get supplies. i really wish i could help",
">\n\nDoesn't help homeless people who have no choice.",
">\n\nMeanwhile, Starbucks etc. demanding to know why employees aren't clocked in",
">\n\nI happened to have my plans messed up from the weather, so I was chillin solo on Xmas. I couldn’t believe my local Starbucks was open. Give em a day, Jeaz! No one is missing Starbucks that day.",
">\n\nRight?\nI mean, it's one thing to be open on a holiday in a busy travel area, especially if you have staff who celebrate other holidays -- but floods, shootings, blizzards, holidays (where it's not necessary or at not busy stores). Pretty sure there is something in the \"How to Be Corporate\" manual that demands stores be open in the most ridiculous situations without exception; in fact, that more ridiculous the more critical it is for the store to be fully staffed :/",
">\n\nFor the people looking in from outside the area, the people of WNY take pride in being able to survive storms with minimal disruption. And remember that we just got thru a monumental storm just before thanksgiving. But unless you are at least 55 yrs old you can’t really remember conditions like those of last week. It was on a whole different level and all the local weatherman warnings about it’s impending severity couldn’t convince a large number of the population. The fact that they hype up a normal lake effect snow storm every 10 days may have played a small part in people disregarding the warnings but that’s a whole other conversation.",
">\n\nThe size of the Low and the massive pressure gradient between it and the cold high behind it was absolutely nuts.",
">\n\n\"but you're still coming in for your shift, right?\" - management",
">\n\nThese managers and store owners should be prosecuted and go to jail.",
">\n\nI'm looking forward to the several lawsuits from employees over their bosses making them show up to work.",
">\n\nThe people at those jobs don't have the means to sue. And if they do the company will stretch it out requiring court appearances but the employee doesn't have that many sick and vacation days so they either show up and lose their job or give up. People can't go that long without work to fight back against the evil bastards. The only chance is a large class action or if the business gets enough bad publicity that they settle.",
">\n\nSo did folks stock up on supplies before this thing hit? If you can't drive you can't get to the grocery store or pharmacy.",
">\n\nThis is why they say you should have 2 weeks worth of non-perishable food at home at all times. Even if it's just soup or pasta. Because there will come a time when you're stuck for several days and everything is shut down. I know it sucks because so many are living paycheck to paycheck, but it's important to have that little stash of food (and medicine).",
">\n\nExactly. Everyone should have an emergency kit.",
">\n\nYou know how bad it is after you learn Buffalo is a place that is no stranger to snow, cold snaps and blizzards.",
">\n\nMy mum couldn’t understand why there have been so many deaths and as someone who’s only been following the situation from a distance I couldn’t really give her a confident answer. Are people dying from being caught in the blizzard outside? Are they trapped inside with no heating or supplies and succumbing to the cold? Is it primarily elderly people? Was this storm foreseen and were people warned to be prepared?",
">\n\nThe snow was so bad, people got stuck on the road. For over 24 hours there were NO emergency services available because ALL their vehicles were stuck. People froze to death or died from carbon monoxide b/c they ran their motors for heat.\nWe has sustained 75mph winds on Friday that immediately knock power out, and heat for those without gas. Water pipes broke. Fires. People became disoriented walking & just fell over & died. The snow was heavy, so shoveling caused heart attacks.\nNo one could prepare us for this. I have lived in the Buffalo area for 54 years. I have seen storms, but not like this.",
">\n\nWe have gas heat but it’s forced air so no power= no heat. (Luckily we only had power flicker a few times- houses down the street lost power). \nI said elsewhere- I’ve never been in a situation where we were told “no emergency services- you’re on your own”. Maybe it happened in ‘77 but I was 5 then and I honestly don’t remember the storm.",
">\n\nI was 9 in '77 so I don't remember a lot either. I was also in Chautauqua county then & like this storm, it wasn't as bad down there. \nI am in Southtowns now. I agree 100% that this is a storm like no other in my lifetime. First the 5+ feet of snow a couple weeks ago, now this.\nWe were lucky too. I am SO GLAD you survived!🙏 Too many sad stories that didn't need to happen, and on Christmas no less. Peace & Go Bills!",
">\n\nThis is exactly why I hate snow. I know it's fun to ski and make snowmen and have snow ball fights. It's when you have to clear the snow due to it hindering something or drive in it, deaths result.",
">\n\nNo hair, our skin hurts in low temps, Our noses dont work under low humidity. For all intents and purposes, humans aren't meant to live in the cold.",
">\n\nEmployers:”Walk your ass to work. I’ll see you when the snow dies down because I took vacation.”",
">\n\nSome of those dead must be chili's managers who blew a blood vessel screaming at min wage workers that this storm \" wasn't that bad\" and \" we are going to be crazy busy\"",
">\n\n\"Well yes, but can you still come in? We're short-staffed. Be a team player! It's only a bit of snow!\"",
">\n\nBiggest issue people don’t understand; when you “have to” go to a store or run an errand and you get into an accident, you call 911.\nThose first responders shouldn’t be dealing with you right now, they should be trying to rescue any trapped victims that might still be alive.\nStop being selfish, stay off the roads and if you actually need something, ask neighbors for help, pool your resources and become a better community while others are given a chance to survive.",
">\n\nEmergency services were turned off for 2 days during the storm. The city was completely inaccessible so if you get into an accident you're on your own. My street (a main street in the heart of the west side) had a snow drift as high a stoplight blocking all access. Down the way was an abandoned semitruck blocking the entire road as well as other abandoned cars sprinkled across the landscape. The whole city was like this.",
">\n\nStill there will be a lot of people who think the ban doesn't apply to them because they have to go see grandma.",
">\n\nOr they're homeless and don't have anywhere else to go",
">\n\nHopefully people stay off the roads, bc this is no time to play",
">\n\nI still don't know anyone personally who has been ticketed for driving during the ban. I think they should automatically ticket every car that was abandoned on a bus route and let the owner explain why they were driving during the ban to determine if they have to pay the fine. People will not obey laws if there's no enforcement.\nPayloaders came down my street last night (Tuesday), so I was able to drive to ECMC to pick up my wife, but on my way there, a friend of mine texted me \"we're at the bar if you want to swing by\". Considering that the bartender had to drive in from Tonawanda, that bar should have been closed.",
">\n\nWonder how many people did it anyways in the name of “muh freedom” then ran to an already overworked emergency room when their stupidity backfired",
">\n\nEmergency Room? Nobody could get to the hospital and there were no ambulances",
">\n\nNewspapers had a combination of revenue. Income from subscribers and newsboxes proved their circulation which helped them sell ads. When people stopped paying for the paper they were also no longer eyeballs for the ads. And the fact that they paid to read in the first place contributes to the investment each party has in the advertiser, publication, readership relationship. \nBasic news reporting is worth every penny you pay, and even subscribing you should still look at every article critically for spin. Anyone who gives it to you free has an angle of their own.\nEdited to add: my parents subscribed to papers. I just read the headlines."
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Yeah, competition for eyeballs went way way up in the digital age where investment costs are so so low compared to physical media overhead
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"31 deaths is crazy… stay safe out there!",
">\n\nI'm in Ohio and had to be the bad guy to my in-laws by saying we weren't coming to Christmas Eve, then they called the next day and said it took them an hour to drive 10 minutes home from the dinner we skipped and how dangerous it was. \nSome people gotta touch an oven to see if it's hot when you tell them ¯\\ಠಠ_/¯",
">\n\nAlso in Ohio. Called out of work the day of the storm even though it was only a 15 min drive away. Roads were still not cleared fully 2 days later.",
">\n\nI called out on Friday, I do not like my job enough to risk my life for it, especially during the holiday rush.",
">\n\nDon't get me wrong. My job is great and it pays well. But money is money and it'll cost a lot more for my loved ones to arrange my funeral than it would for me to miss a day of work.",
">\n\nI’m in BC where we got hit pretty bad last week, and my ethos was, “I get paid less in a day than my car insurance deductible costs”",
">\n\nHaha I’m gonna remember this",
">\n\nEmergency services were turned off for 2 days during the storm. The city was completely inaccessible so if you get into an accident you're on your own. My street (a main street in the heart of the west side) had a snow drift as high a stoplight blocking all access. Down the way was an abandoned semitruck blocking the entire road as well as other abandoned cars sprinkled across the landscape completely buried in snow. Trees fallen everywhere too. The whole city was like this.\nI knew it was going to be bad but this one was BAD",
">\n\nYou’ve been hit hard twice and it’s only December. Do you think about moving? Just curious. I live in Maine but come from Rochester NY and I don’t think I could deal with that level of disaster anymore.",
">\n\nGrew up in Rochester as well, moved to Southern Louisiana to get away from the snow. In the 90's I got cuaght several times on the stretch of 90 between Buffalo and Erie and wasn't sure I'd make it home. The snow through there is crazy, I would just follow a semi at a distance and if he went off the road I knew to stop.",
">\n\ndriving around with Semi-traction can be a bit dangerous sometimes.",
">\n\nIf they've got a full load they do better than cars and have more experienced drivers so I follow them too. But with an empty trailer they're screwed in high winds. I was thinking of passing one in Chicago snowstorm but the back drifted just a bit so I slowed down and kept back. Sure enough a few minutes later a gust caught him and the trailer swung across a couple lanes and almost jackknifed. Driver did a great job of getting it straightened back out so kudos to him! That was a long ass stressful drive back home though. I was exhausted.",
">\n\nThis is why people would rush to the store to buy up things like eggs, bread, milk, butter, TP, paper towels, etc... Sure people always panic when it's just a little snow but overall, these types of storms are why.",
">\n\nAlso why it's good to have some canned/dried goods. I keep about 4-5 days worth of soups, canned goods, rice, ramen, clean it out every once in a while if it doesn't get used. It's not costly either, that stuff is fairly cheap. \nBut man, this is pretty crazy. I think the most I've ever been trapped (no driving ban, just felt safe to leave) was 3 days in 2010 for \"Snowmaggedon\", these poor folks are almost going on a week.",
">\n\nYou keep 4-5 days worth?... I feel like I may be a hoarder if 4-5 days is considered a good amount.",
">\n\n4-5 days worth of food is nothing. I live in Louisiana and that’s the bare minimum in my opinion.",
">\n\nI'm pretty sure we have a month's worth of food all combined. Lots of dried beans and rice too. For me, it's to be prepared, and because of the poverty I've experienced, where all my food was from the food bank.",
">\n\nThat's very smart. Dried beans and rice are heaven when you have ZERO access. People don't understand that. it's not about what you want to eat in a disaster, its about eating high caloric/protein meals and staying adequately 'full', or, at the very least, having enough food to have some energy output.",
">\n\nAnother thing is maintaining a more positive mental state. When you don't meet the daily nutritive threshold it can mess with your head. Bad thought loops are the last thing you need in a natural disaster.",
">\n\nThis is 100 why I keep 'mental health food' in my pantry. A chocolate bar. Liquid IVs. Canned fruit. Stuff I know will boost me when I'm low. It helped so much during Ida.",
">\n\nEvery business that stayed open and didn't give their employees the option to stay home should be prosecuted. These people would t have been out in this if it wasn't for fear of losing their jobs. It's disgusting.",
">\n\nToo bad our elected officials don't represent their constituents' interests. Or rather they consider the businesses their constuents, rather than the voters.",
">\n\n\nOr rather they consider the businesses their constituents, rather than the voters.\n\nConservatives make no secret at all about this, and their voters are very straightforward about valuing business owners over regular people.",
">\n\nIt's not just conservatives, sadly. Both parties represent corporations over human beings.",
">\n\nTrue, but conservatives have turned the \"small business owner\" into an identity that they leverage against anybody who might need any sort of govt protections; the narrative is always that JimBob's Tire Emporium will go under if he has to pay over $8/hour or offer insurance. They all see themselves as JimBob. It's a really good trick.\nDems are for sure corrupt and support a lot of corporate agenda items but they campaign on individual wage and debt issues and do actually pass legislation. They're less psychopathic.",
">\n\nAnd yet conservative's talk about small business that way, but vote every damn time to make sure that larger companies get advantages - and those small businesses fail.",
">\n\nSo do Dems. Follow the money, both parties are propped up by the foulest industries and that isn't even considering dark money and super PACS.",
">\n\nI do, but I also look at the voting records. We need to get more people to run under \"Working Families\"that arent just \"better than the worse\" of the democrats.",
">\n\nLowes doesn't care. Still forcing employees to come in",
">\n\nI recently learned from a former Lowe’s employee that they have some sort of agreement with the government to be considered essential so that people and emergency services can get generators and equipment from them",
">\n\njesus, that's a lot of fucking snow \nlooking at that i'm having a mild ptsd from the four straight days of shoveling/blowing last week here in northern WI",
">\n\nHi fellow Northwoods resident!\nThe blow snow is the worst part. Stupid snow drifts. \nAlthough. My subdivision went from an open field to a street full of houses this summer. So the drifting is down considerably.",
">\n\nWyoming enters the chat Someone talking about snowdrifts? The jackalopes have it tough this year.",
">\n\nJesus I saw that Cheyenne dropped 32 degrees in temp in 10 minutes. That is seriously insane weather.",
">\n\nIt was awesome! \nDay after tomorrow quotes for a week! \nWe never lost power so it was a win. What's funny is that it was around 25 this morning. Still wearing short sleeve shirts after the last frost. It was crazy! Hope y'all are safe.",
">\n\nOne wonders if there is a list of missing people and if so, how long the list is",
">\n\nI saw a fucked up video of people coming across someone frozen on the ground.",
">\n\nThat's cold asf",
">\n\nYeah both what they were saying and acting and the fact the person froze to death.",
">\n\nI once slept outside in 5 to 10 degree weather, I hope all the homeless got somewhere warm.",
">\n\n\"Poloncarz, a Democrat, called the blizzard \"the worst storm probably in our lifetime,\" even for an area known for heavy snow. More bodies are expected to be found as the snow is cleared or melts.\" \nWtf does their political affiliation have to do with anything? \n\"Jeff here, who loves cheese, was devastated when his wife was unable to be rescued from her car\".",
">\n\nPeople need to know if they should agree or disagree with the statement about the storm.",
">\n\nWhat?!? He’s a democrat? \nThat’s all I needed to hear to know that this definitely was NOT the worst storm in the city’s history, typical democrat fear mongering.\nTheres no more bodies to find, but I’m sure the democrats will claim they found more bodies just to justify more government spending. They’ll be counting people that died 3 weeks ago as storm deaths. They count bodies the same way they count votes for Biden. LGB!!\n/s",
">\n\nRemenber: whatever out there isn't worth your life",
">\n\nWell said, just chill at your home safely till the storm reduces",
">\n\nMany houses do not have power and people are trying to get to the safety of a community shelter.",
">\n\nThis is true as well",
">\n\nI’m in buffalo we had no power for 74 hours and needed gas to run a generator to stay warm, to survive you have to make choices. There wasn’t even 911 services for the entire city for days.",
">\n\nIt's insane to me they announced no emergency services. It was like 48 hours. All the bodegas near me on the west side got robbed, pretty crazy.",
">\n\nIt is insane, and public services have to warn people and risk the looting. The government is a construct that's a failure when its needed lately. It's not going to get any better either...",
">\n\nThis is not the time to play on the roads, so stay off them",
">\n\nKind of hard to do that if you live in your car.",
">\n\nmy hometown 💔 my sister is still snowed in and had to walk to wegmans to try and get supplies. i really wish i could help",
">\n\nDoesn't help homeless people who have no choice.",
">\n\nMeanwhile, Starbucks etc. demanding to know why employees aren't clocked in",
">\n\nI happened to have my plans messed up from the weather, so I was chillin solo on Xmas. I couldn’t believe my local Starbucks was open. Give em a day, Jeaz! No one is missing Starbucks that day.",
">\n\nRight?\nI mean, it's one thing to be open on a holiday in a busy travel area, especially if you have staff who celebrate other holidays -- but floods, shootings, blizzards, holidays (where it's not necessary or at not busy stores). Pretty sure there is something in the \"How to Be Corporate\" manual that demands stores be open in the most ridiculous situations without exception; in fact, that more ridiculous the more critical it is for the store to be fully staffed :/",
">\n\nFor the people looking in from outside the area, the people of WNY take pride in being able to survive storms with minimal disruption. And remember that we just got thru a monumental storm just before thanksgiving. But unless you are at least 55 yrs old you can’t really remember conditions like those of last week. It was on a whole different level and all the local weatherman warnings about it’s impending severity couldn’t convince a large number of the population. The fact that they hype up a normal lake effect snow storm every 10 days may have played a small part in people disregarding the warnings but that’s a whole other conversation.",
">\n\nThe size of the Low and the massive pressure gradient between it and the cold high behind it was absolutely nuts.",
">\n\n\"but you're still coming in for your shift, right?\" - management",
">\n\nThese managers and store owners should be prosecuted and go to jail.",
">\n\nI'm looking forward to the several lawsuits from employees over their bosses making them show up to work.",
">\n\nThe people at those jobs don't have the means to sue. And if they do the company will stretch it out requiring court appearances but the employee doesn't have that many sick and vacation days so they either show up and lose their job or give up. People can't go that long without work to fight back against the evil bastards. The only chance is a large class action or if the business gets enough bad publicity that they settle.",
">\n\nSo did folks stock up on supplies before this thing hit? If you can't drive you can't get to the grocery store or pharmacy.",
">\n\nThis is why they say you should have 2 weeks worth of non-perishable food at home at all times. Even if it's just soup or pasta. Because there will come a time when you're stuck for several days and everything is shut down. I know it sucks because so many are living paycheck to paycheck, but it's important to have that little stash of food (and medicine).",
">\n\nExactly. Everyone should have an emergency kit.",
">\n\nYou know how bad it is after you learn Buffalo is a place that is no stranger to snow, cold snaps and blizzards.",
">\n\nMy mum couldn’t understand why there have been so many deaths and as someone who’s only been following the situation from a distance I couldn’t really give her a confident answer. Are people dying from being caught in the blizzard outside? Are they trapped inside with no heating or supplies and succumbing to the cold? Is it primarily elderly people? Was this storm foreseen and were people warned to be prepared?",
">\n\nThe snow was so bad, people got stuck on the road. For over 24 hours there were NO emergency services available because ALL their vehicles were stuck. People froze to death or died from carbon monoxide b/c they ran their motors for heat.\nWe has sustained 75mph winds on Friday that immediately knock power out, and heat for those without gas. Water pipes broke. Fires. People became disoriented walking & just fell over & died. The snow was heavy, so shoveling caused heart attacks.\nNo one could prepare us for this. I have lived in the Buffalo area for 54 years. I have seen storms, but not like this.",
">\n\nWe have gas heat but it’s forced air so no power= no heat. (Luckily we only had power flicker a few times- houses down the street lost power). \nI said elsewhere- I’ve never been in a situation where we were told “no emergency services- you’re on your own”. Maybe it happened in ‘77 but I was 5 then and I honestly don’t remember the storm.",
">\n\nI was 9 in '77 so I don't remember a lot either. I was also in Chautauqua county then & like this storm, it wasn't as bad down there. \nI am in Southtowns now. I agree 100% that this is a storm like no other in my lifetime. First the 5+ feet of snow a couple weeks ago, now this.\nWe were lucky too. I am SO GLAD you survived!🙏 Too many sad stories that didn't need to happen, and on Christmas no less. Peace & Go Bills!",
">\n\nThis is exactly why I hate snow. I know it's fun to ski and make snowmen and have snow ball fights. It's when you have to clear the snow due to it hindering something or drive in it, deaths result.",
">\n\nNo hair, our skin hurts in low temps, Our noses dont work under low humidity. For all intents and purposes, humans aren't meant to live in the cold.",
">\n\nEmployers:”Walk your ass to work. I’ll see you when the snow dies down because I took vacation.”",
">\n\nSome of those dead must be chili's managers who blew a blood vessel screaming at min wage workers that this storm \" wasn't that bad\" and \" we are going to be crazy busy\"",
">\n\n\"Well yes, but can you still come in? We're short-staffed. Be a team player! It's only a bit of snow!\"",
">\n\nBiggest issue people don’t understand; when you “have to” go to a store or run an errand and you get into an accident, you call 911.\nThose first responders shouldn’t be dealing with you right now, they should be trying to rescue any trapped victims that might still be alive.\nStop being selfish, stay off the roads and if you actually need something, ask neighbors for help, pool your resources and become a better community while others are given a chance to survive.",
">\n\nEmergency services were turned off for 2 days during the storm. The city was completely inaccessible so if you get into an accident you're on your own. My street (a main street in the heart of the west side) had a snow drift as high a stoplight blocking all access. Down the way was an abandoned semitruck blocking the entire road as well as other abandoned cars sprinkled across the landscape. The whole city was like this.",
">\n\nStill there will be a lot of people who think the ban doesn't apply to them because they have to go see grandma.",
">\n\nOr they're homeless and don't have anywhere else to go",
">\n\nHopefully people stay off the roads, bc this is no time to play",
">\n\nI still don't know anyone personally who has been ticketed for driving during the ban. I think they should automatically ticket every car that was abandoned on a bus route and let the owner explain why they were driving during the ban to determine if they have to pay the fine. People will not obey laws if there's no enforcement.\nPayloaders came down my street last night (Tuesday), so I was able to drive to ECMC to pick up my wife, but on my way there, a friend of mine texted me \"we're at the bar if you want to swing by\". Considering that the bartender had to drive in from Tonawanda, that bar should have been closed.",
">\n\nWonder how many people did it anyways in the name of “muh freedom” then ran to an already overworked emergency room when their stupidity backfired",
">\n\nEmergency Room? Nobody could get to the hospital and there were no ambulances",
">\n\nNewspapers had a combination of revenue. Income from subscribers and newsboxes proved their circulation which helped them sell ads. When people stopped paying for the paper they were also no longer eyeballs for the ads. And the fact that they paid to read in the first place contributes to the investment each party has in the advertiser, publication, readership relationship. \nBasic news reporting is worth every penny you pay, and even subscribing you should still look at every article critically for spin. Anyone who gives it to you free has an angle of their own.\nEdited to add: my parents subscribed to papers. I just read the headlines.",
">\n\nI worked at a small town paper with circulation about 30k (weekend) and we had about $12k daily revenue from classifieds ads that vaporized when craigslist came. Went from 10-14 pages of classifieds to half a page. Classifieds subsidized a lot of the paper."
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It's honestly really sad, that paper employed probably 100-150 ppl when i was there and now it does not exist on a local level.. there are some freelance reporters and photogs who submit stories but everything else is handled on a national level - there's a customer service call center, photo color correction is a central department for hundreds of papers, etc. They contract the press work to another larger paper and the delivery is handled by 1099 contractors. Local news barely exists anymore.
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"31 deaths is crazy… stay safe out there!",
">\n\nI'm in Ohio and had to be the bad guy to my in-laws by saying we weren't coming to Christmas Eve, then they called the next day and said it took them an hour to drive 10 minutes home from the dinner we skipped and how dangerous it was. \nSome people gotta touch an oven to see if it's hot when you tell them ¯\\ಠಠ_/¯",
">\n\nAlso in Ohio. Called out of work the day of the storm even though it was only a 15 min drive away. Roads were still not cleared fully 2 days later.",
">\n\nI called out on Friday, I do not like my job enough to risk my life for it, especially during the holiday rush.",
">\n\nDon't get me wrong. My job is great and it pays well. But money is money and it'll cost a lot more for my loved ones to arrange my funeral than it would for me to miss a day of work.",
">\n\nI’m in BC where we got hit pretty bad last week, and my ethos was, “I get paid less in a day than my car insurance deductible costs”",
">\n\nHaha I’m gonna remember this",
">\n\nEmergency services were turned off for 2 days during the storm. The city was completely inaccessible so if you get into an accident you're on your own. My street (a main street in the heart of the west side) had a snow drift as high a stoplight blocking all access. Down the way was an abandoned semitruck blocking the entire road as well as other abandoned cars sprinkled across the landscape completely buried in snow. Trees fallen everywhere too. The whole city was like this.\nI knew it was going to be bad but this one was BAD",
">\n\nYou’ve been hit hard twice and it’s only December. Do you think about moving? Just curious. I live in Maine but come from Rochester NY and I don’t think I could deal with that level of disaster anymore.",
">\n\nGrew up in Rochester as well, moved to Southern Louisiana to get away from the snow. In the 90's I got cuaght several times on the stretch of 90 between Buffalo and Erie and wasn't sure I'd make it home. The snow through there is crazy, I would just follow a semi at a distance and if he went off the road I knew to stop.",
">\n\ndriving around with Semi-traction can be a bit dangerous sometimes.",
">\n\nIf they've got a full load they do better than cars and have more experienced drivers so I follow them too. But with an empty trailer they're screwed in high winds. I was thinking of passing one in Chicago snowstorm but the back drifted just a bit so I slowed down and kept back. Sure enough a few minutes later a gust caught him and the trailer swung across a couple lanes and almost jackknifed. Driver did a great job of getting it straightened back out so kudos to him! That was a long ass stressful drive back home though. I was exhausted.",
">\n\nThis is why people would rush to the store to buy up things like eggs, bread, milk, butter, TP, paper towels, etc... Sure people always panic when it's just a little snow but overall, these types of storms are why.",
">\n\nAlso why it's good to have some canned/dried goods. I keep about 4-5 days worth of soups, canned goods, rice, ramen, clean it out every once in a while if it doesn't get used. It's not costly either, that stuff is fairly cheap. \nBut man, this is pretty crazy. I think the most I've ever been trapped (no driving ban, just felt safe to leave) was 3 days in 2010 for \"Snowmaggedon\", these poor folks are almost going on a week.",
">\n\nYou keep 4-5 days worth?... I feel like I may be a hoarder if 4-5 days is considered a good amount.",
">\n\n4-5 days worth of food is nothing. I live in Louisiana and that’s the bare minimum in my opinion.",
">\n\nI'm pretty sure we have a month's worth of food all combined. Lots of dried beans and rice too. For me, it's to be prepared, and because of the poverty I've experienced, where all my food was from the food bank.",
">\n\nThat's very smart. Dried beans and rice are heaven when you have ZERO access. People don't understand that. it's not about what you want to eat in a disaster, its about eating high caloric/protein meals and staying adequately 'full', or, at the very least, having enough food to have some energy output.",
">\n\nAnother thing is maintaining a more positive mental state. When you don't meet the daily nutritive threshold it can mess with your head. Bad thought loops are the last thing you need in a natural disaster.",
">\n\nThis is 100 why I keep 'mental health food' in my pantry. A chocolate bar. Liquid IVs. Canned fruit. Stuff I know will boost me when I'm low. It helped so much during Ida.",
">\n\nEvery business that stayed open and didn't give their employees the option to stay home should be prosecuted. These people would t have been out in this if it wasn't for fear of losing their jobs. It's disgusting.",
">\n\nToo bad our elected officials don't represent their constituents' interests. Or rather they consider the businesses their constuents, rather than the voters.",
">\n\n\nOr rather they consider the businesses their constituents, rather than the voters.\n\nConservatives make no secret at all about this, and their voters are very straightforward about valuing business owners over regular people.",
">\n\nIt's not just conservatives, sadly. Both parties represent corporations over human beings.",
">\n\nTrue, but conservatives have turned the \"small business owner\" into an identity that they leverage against anybody who might need any sort of govt protections; the narrative is always that JimBob's Tire Emporium will go under if he has to pay over $8/hour or offer insurance. They all see themselves as JimBob. It's a really good trick.\nDems are for sure corrupt and support a lot of corporate agenda items but they campaign on individual wage and debt issues and do actually pass legislation. They're less psychopathic.",
">\n\nAnd yet conservative's talk about small business that way, but vote every damn time to make sure that larger companies get advantages - and those small businesses fail.",
">\n\nSo do Dems. Follow the money, both parties are propped up by the foulest industries and that isn't even considering dark money and super PACS.",
">\n\nI do, but I also look at the voting records. We need to get more people to run under \"Working Families\"that arent just \"better than the worse\" of the democrats.",
">\n\nLowes doesn't care. Still forcing employees to come in",
">\n\nI recently learned from a former Lowe’s employee that they have some sort of agreement with the government to be considered essential so that people and emergency services can get generators and equipment from them",
">\n\njesus, that's a lot of fucking snow \nlooking at that i'm having a mild ptsd from the four straight days of shoveling/blowing last week here in northern WI",
">\n\nHi fellow Northwoods resident!\nThe blow snow is the worst part. Stupid snow drifts. \nAlthough. My subdivision went from an open field to a street full of houses this summer. So the drifting is down considerably.",
">\n\nWyoming enters the chat Someone talking about snowdrifts? The jackalopes have it tough this year.",
">\n\nJesus I saw that Cheyenne dropped 32 degrees in temp in 10 minutes. That is seriously insane weather.",
">\n\nIt was awesome! \nDay after tomorrow quotes for a week! \nWe never lost power so it was a win. What's funny is that it was around 25 this morning. Still wearing short sleeve shirts after the last frost. It was crazy! Hope y'all are safe.",
">\n\nOne wonders if there is a list of missing people and if so, how long the list is",
">\n\nI saw a fucked up video of people coming across someone frozen on the ground.",
">\n\nThat's cold asf",
">\n\nYeah both what they were saying and acting and the fact the person froze to death.",
">\n\nI once slept outside in 5 to 10 degree weather, I hope all the homeless got somewhere warm.",
">\n\n\"Poloncarz, a Democrat, called the blizzard \"the worst storm probably in our lifetime,\" even for an area known for heavy snow. More bodies are expected to be found as the snow is cleared or melts.\" \nWtf does their political affiliation have to do with anything? \n\"Jeff here, who loves cheese, was devastated when his wife was unable to be rescued from her car\".",
">\n\nPeople need to know if they should agree or disagree with the statement about the storm.",
">\n\nWhat?!? He’s a democrat? \nThat’s all I needed to hear to know that this definitely was NOT the worst storm in the city’s history, typical democrat fear mongering.\nTheres no more bodies to find, but I’m sure the democrats will claim they found more bodies just to justify more government spending. They’ll be counting people that died 3 weeks ago as storm deaths. They count bodies the same way they count votes for Biden. LGB!!\n/s",
">\n\nRemenber: whatever out there isn't worth your life",
">\n\nWell said, just chill at your home safely till the storm reduces",
">\n\nMany houses do not have power and people are trying to get to the safety of a community shelter.",
">\n\nThis is true as well",
">\n\nI’m in buffalo we had no power for 74 hours and needed gas to run a generator to stay warm, to survive you have to make choices. There wasn’t even 911 services for the entire city for days.",
">\n\nIt's insane to me they announced no emergency services. It was like 48 hours. All the bodegas near me on the west side got robbed, pretty crazy.",
">\n\nIt is insane, and public services have to warn people and risk the looting. The government is a construct that's a failure when its needed lately. It's not going to get any better either...",
">\n\nThis is not the time to play on the roads, so stay off them",
">\n\nKind of hard to do that if you live in your car.",
">\n\nmy hometown 💔 my sister is still snowed in and had to walk to wegmans to try and get supplies. i really wish i could help",
">\n\nDoesn't help homeless people who have no choice.",
">\n\nMeanwhile, Starbucks etc. demanding to know why employees aren't clocked in",
">\n\nI happened to have my plans messed up from the weather, so I was chillin solo on Xmas. I couldn’t believe my local Starbucks was open. Give em a day, Jeaz! No one is missing Starbucks that day.",
">\n\nRight?\nI mean, it's one thing to be open on a holiday in a busy travel area, especially if you have staff who celebrate other holidays -- but floods, shootings, blizzards, holidays (where it's not necessary or at not busy stores). Pretty sure there is something in the \"How to Be Corporate\" manual that demands stores be open in the most ridiculous situations without exception; in fact, that more ridiculous the more critical it is for the store to be fully staffed :/",
">\n\nFor the people looking in from outside the area, the people of WNY take pride in being able to survive storms with minimal disruption. And remember that we just got thru a monumental storm just before thanksgiving. But unless you are at least 55 yrs old you can’t really remember conditions like those of last week. It was on a whole different level and all the local weatherman warnings about it’s impending severity couldn’t convince a large number of the population. The fact that they hype up a normal lake effect snow storm every 10 days may have played a small part in people disregarding the warnings but that’s a whole other conversation.",
">\n\nThe size of the Low and the massive pressure gradient between it and the cold high behind it was absolutely nuts.",
">\n\n\"but you're still coming in for your shift, right?\" - management",
">\n\nThese managers and store owners should be prosecuted and go to jail.",
">\n\nI'm looking forward to the several lawsuits from employees over their bosses making them show up to work.",
">\n\nThe people at those jobs don't have the means to sue. And if they do the company will stretch it out requiring court appearances but the employee doesn't have that many sick and vacation days so they either show up and lose their job or give up. People can't go that long without work to fight back against the evil bastards. The only chance is a large class action or if the business gets enough bad publicity that they settle.",
">\n\nSo did folks stock up on supplies before this thing hit? If you can't drive you can't get to the grocery store or pharmacy.",
">\n\nThis is why they say you should have 2 weeks worth of non-perishable food at home at all times. Even if it's just soup or pasta. Because there will come a time when you're stuck for several days and everything is shut down. I know it sucks because so many are living paycheck to paycheck, but it's important to have that little stash of food (and medicine).",
">\n\nExactly. Everyone should have an emergency kit.",
">\n\nYou know how bad it is after you learn Buffalo is a place that is no stranger to snow, cold snaps and blizzards.",
">\n\nMy mum couldn’t understand why there have been so many deaths and as someone who’s only been following the situation from a distance I couldn’t really give her a confident answer. Are people dying from being caught in the blizzard outside? Are they trapped inside with no heating or supplies and succumbing to the cold? Is it primarily elderly people? Was this storm foreseen and were people warned to be prepared?",
">\n\nThe snow was so bad, people got stuck on the road. For over 24 hours there were NO emergency services available because ALL their vehicles were stuck. People froze to death or died from carbon monoxide b/c they ran their motors for heat.\nWe has sustained 75mph winds on Friday that immediately knock power out, and heat for those without gas. Water pipes broke. Fires. People became disoriented walking & just fell over & died. The snow was heavy, so shoveling caused heart attacks.\nNo one could prepare us for this. I have lived in the Buffalo area for 54 years. I have seen storms, but not like this.",
">\n\nWe have gas heat but it’s forced air so no power= no heat. (Luckily we only had power flicker a few times- houses down the street lost power). \nI said elsewhere- I’ve never been in a situation where we were told “no emergency services- you’re on your own”. Maybe it happened in ‘77 but I was 5 then and I honestly don’t remember the storm.",
">\n\nI was 9 in '77 so I don't remember a lot either. I was also in Chautauqua county then & like this storm, it wasn't as bad down there. \nI am in Southtowns now. I agree 100% that this is a storm like no other in my lifetime. First the 5+ feet of snow a couple weeks ago, now this.\nWe were lucky too. I am SO GLAD you survived!🙏 Too many sad stories that didn't need to happen, and on Christmas no less. Peace & Go Bills!",
">\n\nThis is exactly why I hate snow. I know it's fun to ski and make snowmen and have snow ball fights. It's when you have to clear the snow due to it hindering something or drive in it, deaths result.",
">\n\nNo hair, our skin hurts in low temps, Our noses dont work under low humidity. For all intents and purposes, humans aren't meant to live in the cold.",
">\n\nEmployers:”Walk your ass to work. I’ll see you when the snow dies down because I took vacation.”",
">\n\nSome of those dead must be chili's managers who blew a blood vessel screaming at min wage workers that this storm \" wasn't that bad\" and \" we are going to be crazy busy\"",
">\n\n\"Well yes, but can you still come in? We're short-staffed. Be a team player! It's only a bit of snow!\"",
">\n\nBiggest issue people don’t understand; when you “have to” go to a store or run an errand and you get into an accident, you call 911.\nThose first responders shouldn’t be dealing with you right now, they should be trying to rescue any trapped victims that might still be alive.\nStop being selfish, stay off the roads and if you actually need something, ask neighbors for help, pool your resources and become a better community while others are given a chance to survive.",
">\n\nEmergency services were turned off for 2 days during the storm. The city was completely inaccessible so if you get into an accident you're on your own. My street (a main street in the heart of the west side) had a snow drift as high a stoplight blocking all access. Down the way was an abandoned semitruck blocking the entire road as well as other abandoned cars sprinkled across the landscape. The whole city was like this.",
">\n\nStill there will be a lot of people who think the ban doesn't apply to them because they have to go see grandma.",
">\n\nOr they're homeless and don't have anywhere else to go",
">\n\nHopefully people stay off the roads, bc this is no time to play",
">\n\nI still don't know anyone personally who has been ticketed for driving during the ban. I think they should automatically ticket every car that was abandoned on a bus route and let the owner explain why they were driving during the ban to determine if they have to pay the fine. People will not obey laws if there's no enforcement.\nPayloaders came down my street last night (Tuesday), so I was able to drive to ECMC to pick up my wife, but on my way there, a friend of mine texted me \"we're at the bar if you want to swing by\". Considering that the bartender had to drive in from Tonawanda, that bar should have been closed.",
">\n\nWonder how many people did it anyways in the name of “muh freedom” then ran to an already overworked emergency room when their stupidity backfired",
">\n\nEmergency Room? Nobody could get to the hospital and there were no ambulances",
">\n\nNewspapers had a combination of revenue. Income from subscribers and newsboxes proved their circulation which helped them sell ads. When people stopped paying for the paper they were also no longer eyeballs for the ads. And the fact that they paid to read in the first place contributes to the investment each party has in the advertiser, publication, readership relationship. \nBasic news reporting is worth every penny you pay, and even subscribing you should still look at every article critically for spin. Anyone who gives it to you free has an angle of their own.\nEdited to add: my parents subscribed to papers. I just read the headlines.",
">\n\nI worked at a small town paper with circulation about 30k (weekend) and we had about $12k daily revenue from classifieds ads that vaporized when craigslist came. Went from 10-14 pages of classifieds to half a page. Classifieds subsidized a lot of the paper.",
">\n\nYeah, competition for eyeballs went way way up in the digital age where investment costs are so so low compared to physical media overhead"
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Driving ban? Where are the “my Freedumbs” people when you need them? This is unconstitutional! This is an overreach of government! Unbelievable!
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"31 deaths is crazy… stay safe out there!",
">\n\nI'm in Ohio and had to be the bad guy to my in-laws by saying we weren't coming to Christmas Eve, then they called the next day and said it took them an hour to drive 10 minutes home from the dinner we skipped and how dangerous it was. \nSome people gotta touch an oven to see if it's hot when you tell them ¯\\ಠಠ_/¯",
">\n\nAlso in Ohio. Called out of work the day of the storm even though it was only a 15 min drive away. Roads were still not cleared fully 2 days later.",
">\n\nI called out on Friday, I do not like my job enough to risk my life for it, especially during the holiday rush.",
">\n\nDon't get me wrong. My job is great and it pays well. But money is money and it'll cost a lot more for my loved ones to arrange my funeral than it would for me to miss a day of work.",
">\n\nI’m in BC where we got hit pretty bad last week, and my ethos was, “I get paid less in a day than my car insurance deductible costs”",
">\n\nHaha I’m gonna remember this",
">\n\nEmergency services were turned off for 2 days during the storm. The city was completely inaccessible so if you get into an accident you're on your own. My street (a main street in the heart of the west side) had a snow drift as high a stoplight blocking all access. Down the way was an abandoned semitruck blocking the entire road as well as other abandoned cars sprinkled across the landscape completely buried in snow. Trees fallen everywhere too. The whole city was like this.\nI knew it was going to be bad but this one was BAD",
">\n\nYou’ve been hit hard twice and it’s only December. Do you think about moving? Just curious. I live in Maine but come from Rochester NY and I don’t think I could deal with that level of disaster anymore.",
">\n\nGrew up in Rochester as well, moved to Southern Louisiana to get away from the snow. In the 90's I got cuaght several times on the stretch of 90 between Buffalo and Erie and wasn't sure I'd make it home. The snow through there is crazy, I would just follow a semi at a distance and if he went off the road I knew to stop.",
">\n\ndriving around with Semi-traction can be a bit dangerous sometimes.",
">\n\nIf they've got a full load they do better than cars and have more experienced drivers so I follow them too. But with an empty trailer they're screwed in high winds. I was thinking of passing one in Chicago snowstorm but the back drifted just a bit so I slowed down and kept back. Sure enough a few minutes later a gust caught him and the trailer swung across a couple lanes and almost jackknifed. Driver did a great job of getting it straightened back out so kudos to him! That was a long ass stressful drive back home though. I was exhausted.",
">\n\nThis is why people would rush to the store to buy up things like eggs, bread, milk, butter, TP, paper towels, etc... Sure people always panic when it's just a little snow but overall, these types of storms are why.",
">\n\nAlso why it's good to have some canned/dried goods. I keep about 4-5 days worth of soups, canned goods, rice, ramen, clean it out every once in a while if it doesn't get used. It's not costly either, that stuff is fairly cheap. \nBut man, this is pretty crazy. I think the most I've ever been trapped (no driving ban, just felt safe to leave) was 3 days in 2010 for \"Snowmaggedon\", these poor folks are almost going on a week.",
">\n\nYou keep 4-5 days worth?... I feel like I may be a hoarder if 4-5 days is considered a good amount.",
">\n\n4-5 days worth of food is nothing. I live in Louisiana and that’s the bare minimum in my opinion.",
">\n\nI'm pretty sure we have a month's worth of food all combined. Lots of dried beans and rice too. For me, it's to be prepared, and because of the poverty I've experienced, where all my food was from the food bank.",
">\n\nThat's very smart. Dried beans and rice are heaven when you have ZERO access. People don't understand that. it's not about what you want to eat in a disaster, its about eating high caloric/protein meals and staying adequately 'full', or, at the very least, having enough food to have some energy output.",
">\n\nAnother thing is maintaining a more positive mental state. When you don't meet the daily nutritive threshold it can mess with your head. Bad thought loops are the last thing you need in a natural disaster.",
">\n\nThis is 100 why I keep 'mental health food' in my pantry. A chocolate bar. Liquid IVs. Canned fruit. Stuff I know will boost me when I'm low. It helped so much during Ida.",
">\n\nEvery business that stayed open and didn't give their employees the option to stay home should be prosecuted. These people would t have been out in this if it wasn't for fear of losing their jobs. It's disgusting.",
">\n\nToo bad our elected officials don't represent their constituents' interests. Or rather they consider the businesses their constuents, rather than the voters.",
">\n\n\nOr rather they consider the businesses their constituents, rather than the voters.\n\nConservatives make no secret at all about this, and their voters are very straightforward about valuing business owners over regular people.",
">\n\nIt's not just conservatives, sadly. Both parties represent corporations over human beings.",
">\n\nTrue, but conservatives have turned the \"small business owner\" into an identity that they leverage against anybody who might need any sort of govt protections; the narrative is always that JimBob's Tire Emporium will go under if he has to pay over $8/hour or offer insurance. They all see themselves as JimBob. It's a really good trick.\nDems are for sure corrupt and support a lot of corporate agenda items but they campaign on individual wage and debt issues and do actually pass legislation. They're less psychopathic.",
">\n\nAnd yet conservative's talk about small business that way, but vote every damn time to make sure that larger companies get advantages - and those small businesses fail.",
">\n\nSo do Dems. Follow the money, both parties are propped up by the foulest industries and that isn't even considering dark money and super PACS.",
">\n\nI do, but I also look at the voting records. We need to get more people to run under \"Working Families\"that arent just \"better than the worse\" of the democrats.",
">\n\nLowes doesn't care. Still forcing employees to come in",
">\n\nI recently learned from a former Lowe’s employee that they have some sort of agreement with the government to be considered essential so that people and emergency services can get generators and equipment from them",
">\n\njesus, that's a lot of fucking snow \nlooking at that i'm having a mild ptsd from the four straight days of shoveling/blowing last week here in northern WI",
">\n\nHi fellow Northwoods resident!\nThe blow snow is the worst part. Stupid snow drifts. \nAlthough. My subdivision went from an open field to a street full of houses this summer. So the drifting is down considerably.",
">\n\nWyoming enters the chat Someone talking about snowdrifts? The jackalopes have it tough this year.",
">\n\nJesus I saw that Cheyenne dropped 32 degrees in temp in 10 minutes. That is seriously insane weather.",
">\n\nIt was awesome! \nDay after tomorrow quotes for a week! \nWe never lost power so it was a win. What's funny is that it was around 25 this morning. Still wearing short sleeve shirts after the last frost. It was crazy! Hope y'all are safe.",
">\n\nOne wonders if there is a list of missing people and if so, how long the list is",
">\n\nI saw a fucked up video of people coming across someone frozen on the ground.",
">\n\nThat's cold asf",
">\n\nYeah both what they were saying and acting and the fact the person froze to death.",
">\n\nI once slept outside in 5 to 10 degree weather, I hope all the homeless got somewhere warm.",
">\n\n\"Poloncarz, a Democrat, called the blizzard \"the worst storm probably in our lifetime,\" even for an area known for heavy snow. More bodies are expected to be found as the snow is cleared or melts.\" \nWtf does their political affiliation have to do with anything? \n\"Jeff here, who loves cheese, was devastated when his wife was unable to be rescued from her car\".",
">\n\nPeople need to know if they should agree or disagree with the statement about the storm.",
">\n\nWhat?!? He’s a democrat? \nThat’s all I needed to hear to know that this definitely was NOT the worst storm in the city’s history, typical democrat fear mongering.\nTheres no more bodies to find, but I’m sure the democrats will claim they found more bodies just to justify more government spending. They’ll be counting people that died 3 weeks ago as storm deaths. They count bodies the same way they count votes for Biden. LGB!!\n/s",
">\n\nRemenber: whatever out there isn't worth your life",
">\n\nWell said, just chill at your home safely till the storm reduces",
">\n\nMany houses do not have power and people are trying to get to the safety of a community shelter.",
">\n\nThis is true as well",
">\n\nI’m in buffalo we had no power for 74 hours and needed gas to run a generator to stay warm, to survive you have to make choices. There wasn’t even 911 services for the entire city for days.",
">\n\nIt's insane to me they announced no emergency services. It was like 48 hours. All the bodegas near me on the west side got robbed, pretty crazy.",
">\n\nIt is insane, and public services have to warn people and risk the looting. The government is a construct that's a failure when its needed lately. It's not going to get any better either...",
">\n\nThis is not the time to play on the roads, so stay off them",
">\n\nKind of hard to do that if you live in your car.",
">\n\nmy hometown 💔 my sister is still snowed in and had to walk to wegmans to try and get supplies. i really wish i could help",
">\n\nDoesn't help homeless people who have no choice.",
">\n\nMeanwhile, Starbucks etc. demanding to know why employees aren't clocked in",
">\n\nI happened to have my plans messed up from the weather, so I was chillin solo on Xmas. I couldn’t believe my local Starbucks was open. Give em a day, Jeaz! No one is missing Starbucks that day.",
">\n\nRight?\nI mean, it's one thing to be open on a holiday in a busy travel area, especially if you have staff who celebrate other holidays -- but floods, shootings, blizzards, holidays (where it's not necessary or at not busy stores). Pretty sure there is something in the \"How to Be Corporate\" manual that demands stores be open in the most ridiculous situations without exception; in fact, that more ridiculous the more critical it is for the store to be fully staffed :/",
">\n\nFor the people looking in from outside the area, the people of WNY take pride in being able to survive storms with minimal disruption. And remember that we just got thru a monumental storm just before thanksgiving. But unless you are at least 55 yrs old you can’t really remember conditions like those of last week. It was on a whole different level and all the local weatherman warnings about it’s impending severity couldn’t convince a large number of the population. The fact that they hype up a normal lake effect snow storm every 10 days may have played a small part in people disregarding the warnings but that’s a whole other conversation.",
">\n\nThe size of the Low and the massive pressure gradient between it and the cold high behind it was absolutely nuts.",
">\n\n\"but you're still coming in for your shift, right?\" - management",
">\n\nThese managers and store owners should be prosecuted and go to jail.",
">\n\nI'm looking forward to the several lawsuits from employees over their bosses making them show up to work.",
">\n\nThe people at those jobs don't have the means to sue. And if they do the company will stretch it out requiring court appearances but the employee doesn't have that many sick and vacation days so they either show up and lose their job or give up. People can't go that long without work to fight back against the evil bastards. The only chance is a large class action or if the business gets enough bad publicity that they settle.",
">\n\nSo did folks stock up on supplies before this thing hit? If you can't drive you can't get to the grocery store or pharmacy.",
">\n\nThis is why they say you should have 2 weeks worth of non-perishable food at home at all times. Even if it's just soup or pasta. Because there will come a time when you're stuck for several days and everything is shut down. I know it sucks because so many are living paycheck to paycheck, but it's important to have that little stash of food (and medicine).",
">\n\nExactly. Everyone should have an emergency kit.",
">\n\nYou know how bad it is after you learn Buffalo is a place that is no stranger to snow, cold snaps and blizzards.",
">\n\nMy mum couldn’t understand why there have been so many deaths and as someone who’s only been following the situation from a distance I couldn’t really give her a confident answer. Are people dying from being caught in the blizzard outside? Are they trapped inside with no heating or supplies and succumbing to the cold? Is it primarily elderly people? Was this storm foreseen and were people warned to be prepared?",
">\n\nThe snow was so bad, people got stuck on the road. For over 24 hours there were NO emergency services available because ALL their vehicles were stuck. People froze to death or died from carbon monoxide b/c they ran their motors for heat.\nWe has sustained 75mph winds on Friday that immediately knock power out, and heat for those without gas. Water pipes broke. Fires. People became disoriented walking & just fell over & died. The snow was heavy, so shoveling caused heart attacks.\nNo one could prepare us for this. I have lived in the Buffalo area for 54 years. I have seen storms, but not like this.",
">\n\nWe have gas heat but it’s forced air so no power= no heat. (Luckily we only had power flicker a few times- houses down the street lost power). \nI said elsewhere- I’ve never been in a situation where we were told “no emergency services- you’re on your own”. Maybe it happened in ‘77 but I was 5 then and I honestly don’t remember the storm.",
">\n\nI was 9 in '77 so I don't remember a lot either. I was also in Chautauqua county then & like this storm, it wasn't as bad down there. \nI am in Southtowns now. I agree 100% that this is a storm like no other in my lifetime. First the 5+ feet of snow a couple weeks ago, now this.\nWe were lucky too. I am SO GLAD you survived!🙏 Too many sad stories that didn't need to happen, and on Christmas no less. Peace & Go Bills!",
">\n\nThis is exactly why I hate snow. I know it's fun to ski and make snowmen and have snow ball fights. It's when you have to clear the snow due to it hindering something or drive in it, deaths result.",
">\n\nNo hair, our skin hurts in low temps, Our noses dont work under low humidity. For all intents and purposes, humans aren't meant to live in the cold.",
">\n\nEmployers:”Walk your ass to work. I’ll see you when the snow dies down because I took vacation.”",
">\n\nSome of those dead must be chili's managers who blew a blood vessel screaming at min wage workers that this storm \" wasn't that bad\" and \" we are going to be crazy busy\"",
">\n\n\"Well yes, but can you still come in? We're short-staffed. Be a team player! It's only a bit of snow!\"",
">\n\nBiggest issue people don’t understand; when you “have to” go to a store or run an errand and you get into an accident, you call 911.\nThose first responders shouldn’t be dealing with you right now, they should be trying to rescue any trapped victims that might still be alive.\nStop being selfish, stay off the roads and if you actually need something, ask neighbors for help, pool your resources and become a better community while others are given a chance to survive.",
">\n\nEmergency services were turned off for 2 days during the storm. The city was completely inaccessible so if you get into an accident you're on your own. My street (a main street in the heart of the west side) had a snow drift as high a stoplight blocking all access. Down the way was an abandoned semitruck blocking the entire road as well as other abandoned cars sprinkled across the landscape. The whole city was like this.",
">\n\nStill there will be a lot of people who think the ban doesn't apply to them because they have to go see grandma.",
">\n\nOr they're homeless and don't have anywhere else to go",
">\n\nHopefully people stay off the roads, bc this is no time to play",
">\n\nI still don't know anyone personally who has been ticketed for driving during the ban. I think they should automatically ticket every car that was abandoned on a bus route and let the owner explain why they were driving during the ban to determine if they have to pay the fine. People will not obey laws if there's no enforcement.\nPayloaders came down my street last night (Tuesday), so I was able to drive to ECMC to pick up my wife, but on my way there, a friend of mine texted me \"we're at the bar if you want to swing by\". Considering that the bartender had to drive in from Tonawanda, that bar should have been closed.",
">\n\nWonder how many people did it anyways in the name of “muh freedom” then ran to an already overworked emergency room when their stupidity backfired",
">\n\nEmergency Room? Nobody could get to the hospital and there were no ambulances",
">\n\nNewspapers had a combination of revenue. Income from subscribers and newsboxes proved their circulation which helped them sell ads. When people stopped paying for the paper they were also no longer eyeballs for the ads. And the fact that they paid to read in the first place contributes to the investment each party has in the advertiser, publication, readership relationship. \nBasic news reporting is worth every penny you pay, and even subscribing you should still look at every article critically for spin. Anyone who gives it to you free has an angle of their own.\nEdited to add: my parents subscribed to papers. I just read the headlines.",
">\n\nI worked at a small town paper with circulation about 30k (weekend) and we had about $12k daily revenue from classifieds ads that vaporized when craigslist came. Went from 10-14 pages of classifieds to half a page. Classifieds subsidized a lot of the paper.",
">\n\nYeah, competition for eyeballs went way way up in the digital age where investment costs are so so low compared to physical media overhead",
">\n\nIt's honestly really sad, that paper employed probably 100-150 ppl when i was there and now it does not exist on a local level.. there are some freelance reporters and photogs who submit stories but everything else is handled on a national level - there's a customer service call center, photo color correction is a central department for hundreds of papers, etc. They contract the press work to another larger paper and the delivery is handled by 1099 contractors. Local news barely exists anymore."
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Any good american would have taken out their AR15 and shot the blizzard..
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"31 deaths is crazy… stay safe out there!",
">\n\nI'm in Ohio and had to be the bad guy to my in-laws by saying we weren't coming to Christmas Eve, then they called the next day and said it took them an hour to drive 10 minutes home from the dinner we skipped and how dangerous it was. \nSome people gotta touch an oven to see if it's hot when you tell them ¯\\ಠಠ_/¯",
">\n\nAlso in Ohio. Called out of work the day of the storm even though it was only a 15 min drive away. Roads were still not cleared fully 2 days later.",
">\n\nI called out on Friday, I do not like my job enough to risk my life for it, especially during the holiday rush.",
">\n\nDon't get me wrong. My job is great and it pays well. But money is money and it'll cost a lot more for my loved ones to arrange my funeral than it would for me to miss a day of work.",
">\n\nI’m in BC where we got hit pretty bad last week, and my ethos was, “I get paid less in a day than my car insurance deductible costs”",
">\n\nHaha I’m gonna remember this",
">\n\nEmergency services were turned off for 2 days during the storm. The city was completely inaccessible so if you get into an accident you're on your own. My street (a main street in the heart of the west side) had a snow drift as high a stoplight blocking all access. Down the way was an abandoned semitruck blocking the entire road as well as other abandoned cars sprinkled across the landscape completely buried in snow. Trees fallen everywhere too. The whole city was like this.\nI knew it was going to be bad but this one was BAD",
">\n\nYou’ve been hit hard twice and it’s only December. Do you think about moving? Just curious. I live in Maine but come from Rochester NY and I don’t think I could deal with that level of disaster anymore.",
">\n\nGrew up in Rochester as well, moved to Southern Louisiana to get away from the snow. In the 90's I got cuaght several times on the stretch of 90 between Buffalo and Erie and wasn't sure I'd make it home. The snow through there is crazy, I would just follow a semi at a distance and if he went off the road I knew to stop.",
">\n\ndriving around with Semi-traction can be a bit dangerous sometimes.",
">\n\nIf they've got a full load they do better than cars and have more experienced drivers so I follow them too. But with an empty trailer they're screwed in high winds. I was thinking of passing one in Chicago snowstorm but the back drifted just a bit so I slowed down and kept back. Sure enough a few minutes later a gust caught him and the trailer swung across a couple lanes and almost jackknifed. Driver did a great job of getting it straightened back out so kudos to him! That was a long ass stressful drive back home though. I was exhausted.",
">\n\nThis is why people would rush to the store to buy up things like eggs, bread, milk, butter, TP, paper towels, etc... Sure people always panic when it's just a little snow but overall, these types of storms are why.",
">\n\nAlso why it's good to have some canned/dried goods. I keep about 4-5 days worth of soups, canned goods, rice, ramen, clean it out every once in a while if it doesn't get used. It's not costly either, that stuff is fairly cheap. \nBut man, this is pretty crazy. I think the most I've ever been trapped (no driving ban, just felt safe to leave) was 3 days in 2010 for \"Snowmaggedon\", these poor folks are almost going on a week.",
">\n\nYou keep 4-5 days worth?... I feel like I may be a hoarder if 4-5 days is considered a good amount.",
">\n\n4-5 days worth of food is nothing. I live in Louisiana and that’s the bare minimum in my opinion.",
">\n\nI'm pretty sure we have a month's worth of food all combined. Lots of dried beans and rice too. For me, it's to be prepared, and because of the poverty I've experienced, where all my food was from the food bank.",
">\n\nThat's very smart. Dried beans and rice are heaven when you have ZERO access. People don't understand that. it's not about what you want to eat in a disaster, its about eating high caloric/protein meals and staying adequately 'full', or, at the very least, having enough food to have some energy output.",
">\n\nAnother thing is maintaining a more positive mental state. When you don't meet the daily nutritive threshold it can mess with your head. Bad thought loops are the last thing you need in a natural disaster.",
">\n\nThis is 100 why I keep 'mental health food' in my pantry. A chocolate bar. Liquid IVs. Canned fruit. Stuff I know will boost me when I'm low. It helped so much during Ida.",
">\n\nEvery business that stayed open and didn't give their employees the option to stay home should be prosecuted. These people would t have been out in this if it wasn't for fear of losing their jobs. It's disgusting.",
">\n\nToo bad our elected officials don't represent their constituents' interests. Or rather they consider the businesses their constuents, rather than the voters.",
">\n\n\nOr rather they consider the businesses their constituents, rather than the voters.\n\nConservatives make no secret at all about this, and their voters are very straightforward about valuing business owners over regular people.",
">\n\nIt's not just conservatives, sadly. Both parties represent corporations over human beings.",
">\n\nTrue, but conservatives have turned the \"small business owner\" into an identity that they leverage against anybody who might need any sort of govt protections; the narrative is always that JimBob's Tire Emporium will go under if he has to pay over $8/hour or offer insurance. They all see themselves as JimBob. It's a really good trick.\nDems are for sure corrupt and support a lot of corporate agenda items but they campaign on individual wage and debt issues and do actually pass legislation. They're less psychopathic.",
">\n\nAnd yet conservative's talk about small business that way, but vote every damn time to make sure that larger companies get advantages - and those small businesses fail.",
">\n\nSo do Dems. Follow the money, both parties are propped up by the foulest industries and that isn't even considering dark money and super PACS.",
">\n\nI do, but I also look at the voting records. We need to get more people to run under \"Working Families\"that arent just \"better than the worse\" of the democrats.",
">\n\nLowes doesn't care. Still forcing employees to come in",
">\n\nI recently learned from a former Lowe’s employee that they have some sort of agreement with the government to be considered essential so that people and emergency services can get generators and equipment from them",
">\n\njesus, that's a lot of fucking snow \nlooking at that i'm having a mild ptsd from the four straight days of shoveling/blowing last week here in northern WI",
">\n\nHi fellow Northwoods resident!\nThe blow snow is the worst part. Stupid snow drifts. \nAlthough. My subdivision went from an open field to a street full of houses this summer. So the drifting is down considerably.",
">\n\nWyoming enters the chat Someone talking about snowdrifts? The jackalopes have it tough this year.",
">\n\nJesus I saw that Cheyenne dropped 32 degrees in temp in 10 minutes. That is seriously insane weather.",
">\n\nIt was awesome! \nDay after tomorrow quotes for a week! \nWe never lost power so it was a win. What's funny is that it was around 25 this morning. Still wearing short sleeve shirts after the last frost. It was crazy! Hope y'all are safe.",
">\n\nOne wonders if there is a list of missing people and if so, how long the list is",
">\n\nI saw a fucked up video of people coming across someone frozen on the ground.",
">\n\nThat's cold asf",
">\n\nYeah both what they were saying and acting and the fact the person froze to death.",
">\n\nI once slept outside in 5 to 10 degree weather, I hope all the homeless got somewhere warm.",
">\n\n\"Poloncarz, a Democrat, called the blizzard \"the worst storm probably in our lifetime,\" even for an area known for heavy snow. More bodies are expected to be found as the snow is cleared or melts.\" \nWtf does their political affiliation have to do with anything? \n\"Jeff here, who loves cheese, was devastated when his wife was unable to be rescued from her car\".",
">\n\nPeople need to know if they should agree or disagree with the statement about the storm.",
">\n\nWhat?!? He’s a democrat? \nThat’s all I needed to hear to know that this definitely was NOT the worst storm in the city’s history, typical democrat fear mongering.\nTheres no more bodies to find, but I’m sure the democrats will claim they found more bodies just to justify more government spending. They’ll be counting people that died 3 weeks ago as storm deaths. They count bodies the same way they count votes for Biden. LGB!!\n/s",
">\n\nRemenber: whatever out there isn't worth your life",
">\n\nWell said, just chill at your home safely till the storm reduces",
">\n\nMany houses do not have power and people are trying to get to the safety of a community shelter.",
">\n\nThis is true as well",
">\n\nI’m in buffalo we had no power for 74 hours and needed gas to run a generator to stay warm, to survive you have to make choices. There wasn’t even 911 services for the entire city for days.",
">\n\nIt's insane to me they announced no emergency services. It was like 48 hours. All the bodegas near me on the west side got robbed, pretty crazy.",
">\n\nIt is insane, and public services have to warn people and risk the looting. The government is a construct that's a failure when its needed lately. It's not going to get any better either...",
">\n\nThis is not the time to play on the roads, so stay off them",
">\n\nKind of hard to do that if you live in your car.",
">\n\nmy hometown 💔 my sister is still snowed in and had to walk to wegmans to try and get supplies. i really wish i could help",
">\n\nDoesn't help homeless people who have no choice.",
">\n\nMeanwhile, Starbucks etc. demanding to know why employees aren't clocked in",
">\n\nI happened to have my plans messed up from the weather, so I was chillin solo on Xmas. I couldn’t believe my local Starbucks was open. Give em a day, Jeaz! No one is missing Starbucks that day.",
">\n\nRight?\nI mean, it's one thing to be open on a holiday in a busy travel area, especially if you have staff who celebrate other holidays -- but floods, shootings, blizzards, holidays (where it's not necessary or at not busy stores). Pretty sure there is something in the \"How to Be Corporate\" manual that demands stores be open in the most ridiculous situations without exception; in fact, that more ridiculous the more critical it is for the store to be fully staffed :/",
">\n\nFor the people looking in from outside the area, the people of WNY take pride in being able to survive storms with minimal disruption. And remember that we just got thru a monumental storm just before thanksgiving. But unless you are at least 55 yrs old you can’t really remember conditions like those of last week. It was on a whole different level and all the local weatherman warnings about it’s impending severity couldn’t convince a large number of the population. The fact that they hype up a normal lake effect snow storm every 10 days may have played a small part in people disregarding the warnings but that’s a whole other conversation.",
">\n\nThe size of the Low and the massive pressure gradient between it and the cold high behind it was absolutely nuts.",
">\n\n\"but you're still coming in for your shift, right?\" - management",
">\n\nThese managers and store owners should be prosecuted and go to jail.",
">\n\nI'm looking forward to the several lawsuits from employees over their bosses making them show up to work.",
">\n\nThe people at those jobs don't have the means to sue. And if they do the company will stretch it out requiring court appearances but the employee doesn't have that many sick and vacation days so they either show up and lose their job or give up. People can't go that long without work to fight back against the evil bastards. The only chance is a large class action or if the business gets enough bad publicity that they settle.",
">\n\nSo did folks stock up on supplies before this thing hit? If you can't drive you can't get to the grocery store or pharmacy.",
">\n\nThis is why they say you should have 2 weeks worth of non-perishable food at home at all times. Even if it's just soup or pasta. Because there will come a time when you're stuck for several days and everything is shut down. I know it sucks because so many are living paycheck to paycheck, but it's important to have that little stash of food (and medicine).",
">\n\nExactly. Everyone should have an emergency kit.",
">\n\nYou know how bad it is after you learn Buffalo is a place that is no stranger to snow, cold snaps and blizzards.",
">\n\nMy mum couldn’t understand why there have been so many deaths and as someone who’s only been following the situation from a distance I couldn’t really give her a confident answer. Are people dying from being caught in the blizzard outside? Are they trapped inside with no heating or supplies and succumbing to the cold? Is it primarily elderly people? Was this storm foreseen and were people warned to be prepared?",
">\n\nThe snow was so bad, people got stuck on the road. For over 24 hours there were NO emergency services available because ALL their vehicles were stuck. People froze to death or died from carbon monoxide b/c they ran their motors for heat.\nWe has sustained 75mph winds on Friday that immediately knock power out, and heat for those without gas. Water pipes broke. Fires. People became disoriented walking & just fell over & died. The snow was heavy, so shoveling caused heart attacks.\nNo one could prepare us for this. I have lived in the Buffalo area for 54 years. I have seen storms, but not like this.",
">\n\nWe have gas heat but it’s forced air so no power= no heat. (Luckily we only had power flicker a few times- houses down the street lost power). \nI said elsewhere- I’ve never been in a situation where we were told “no emergency services- you’re on your own”. Maybe it happened in ‘77 but I was 5 then and I honestly don’t remember the storm.",
">\n\nI was 9 in '77 so I don't remember a lot either. I was also in Chautauqua county then & like this storm, it wasn't as bad down there. \nI am in Southtowns now. I agree 100% that this is a storm like no other in my lifetime. First the 5+ feet of snow a couple weeks ago, now this.\nWe were lucky too. I am SO GLAD you survived!🙏 Too many sad stories that didn't need to happen, and on Christmas no less. Peace & Go Bills!",
">\n\nThis is exactly why I hate snow. I know it's fun to ski and make snowmen and have snow ball fights. It's when you have to clear the snow due to it hindering something or drive in it, deaths result.",
">\n\nNo hair, our skin hurts in low temps, Our noses dont work under low humidity. For all intents and purposes, humans aren't meant to live in the cold.",
">\n\nEmployers:”Walk your ass to work. I’ll see you when the snow dies down because I took vacation.”",
">\n\nSome of those dead must be chili's managers who blew a blood vessel screaming at min wage workers that this storm \" wasn't that bad\" and \" we are going to be crazy busy\"",
">\n\n\"Well yes, but can you still come in? We're short-staffed. Be a team player! It's only a bit of snow!\"",
">\n\nBiggest issue people don’t understand; when you “have to” go to a store or run an errand and you get into an accident, you call 911.\nThose first responders shouldn’t be dealing with you right now, they should be trying to rescue any trapped victims that might still be alive.\nStop being selfish, stay off the roads and if you actually need something, ask neighbors for help, pool your resources and become a better community while others are given a chance to survive.",
">\n\nEmergency services were turned off for 2 days during the storm. The city was completely inaccessible so if you get into an accident you're on your own. My street (a main street in the heart of the west side) had a snow drift as high a stoplight blocking all access. Down the way was an abandoned semitruck blocking the entire road as well as other abandoned cars sprinkled across the landscape. The whole city was like this.",
">\n\nStill there will be a lot of people who think the ban doesn't apply to them because they have to go see grandma.",
">\n\nOr they're homeless and don't have anywhere else to go",
">\n\nHopefully people stay off the roads, bc this is no time to play",
">\n\nI still don't know anyone personally who has been ticketed for driving during the ban. I think they should automatically ticket every car that was abandoned on a bus route and let the owner explain why they were driving during the ban to determine if they have to pay the fine. People will not obey laws if there's no enforcement.\nPayloaders came down my street last night (Tuesday), so I was able to drive to ECMC to pick up my wife, but on my way there, a friend of mine texted me \"we're at the bar if you want to swing by\". Considering that the bartender had to drive in from Tonawanda, that bar should have been closed.",
">\n\nWonder how many people did it anyways in the name of “muh freedom” then ran to an already overworked emergency room when their stupidity backfired",
">\n\nEmergency Room? Nobody could get to the hospital and there were no ambulances",
">\n\nNewspapers had a combination of revenue. Income from subscribers and newsboxes proved their circulation which helped them sell ads. When people stopped paying for the paper they were also no longer eyeballs for the ads. And the fact that they paid to read in the first place contributes to the investment each party has in the advertiser, publication, readership relationship. \nBasic news reporting is worth every penny you pay, and even subscribing you should still look at every article critically for spin. Anyone who gives it to you free has an angle of their own.\nEdited to add: my parents subscribed to papers. I just read the headlines.",
">\n\nI worked at a small town paper with circulation about 30k (weekend) and we had about $12k daily revenue from classifieds ads that vaporized when craigslist came. Went from 10-14 pages of classifieds to half a page. Classifieds subsidized a lot of the paper.",
">\n\nYeah, competition for eyeballs went way way up in the digital age where investment costs are so so low compared to physical media overhead",
">\n\nIt's honestly really sad, that paper employed probably 100-150 ppl when i was there and now it does not exist on a local level.. there are some freelance reporters and photogs who submit stories but everything else is handled on a national level - there's a customer service call center, photo color correction is a central department for hundreds of papers, etc. They contract the press work to another larger paper and the delivery is handled by 1099 contractors. Local news barely exists anymore.",
">\n\nDriving ban? Where are the “my Freedumbs” people when you need them? This is unconstitutional! This is an overreach of government! Unbelievable! \n/s"
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"31 deaths is crazy… stay safe out there!",
">\n\nI'm in Ohio and had to be the bad guy to my in-laws by saying we weren't coming to Christmas Eve, then they called the next day and said it took them an hour to drive 10 minutes home from the dinner we skipped and how dangerous it was. \nSome people gotta touch an oven to see if it's hot when you tell them ¯\\ಠಠ_/¯",
">\n\nAlso in Ohio. Called out of work the day of the storm even though it was only a 15 min drive away. Roads were still not cleared fully 2 days later.",
">\n\nI called out on Friday, I do not like my job enough to risk my life for it, especially during the holiday rush.",
">\n\nDon't get me wrong. My job is great and it pays well. But money is money and it'll cost a lot more for my loved ones to arrange my funeral than it would for me to miss a day of work.",
">\n\nI’m in BC where we got hit pretty bad last week, and my ethos was, “I get paid less in a day than my car insurance deductible costs”",
">\n\nHaha I’m gonna remember this",
">\n\nEmergency services were turned off for 2 days during the storm. The city was completely inaccessible so if you get into an accident you're on your own. My street (a main street in the heart of the west side) had a snow drift as high a stoplight blocking all access. Down the way was an abandoned semitruck blocking the entire road as well as other abandoned cars sprinkled across the landscape completely buried in snow. Trees fallen everywhere too. The whole city was like this.\nI knew it was going to be bad but this one was BAD",
">\n\nYou’ve been hit hard twice and it’s only December. Do you think about moving? Just curious. I live in Maine but come from Rochester NY and I don’t think I could deal with that level of disaster anymore.",
">\n\nGrew up in Rochester as well, moved to Southern Louisiana to get away from the snow. In the 90's I got cuaght several times on the stretch of 90 between Buffalo and Erie and wasn't sure I'd make it home. The snow through there is crazy, I would just follow a semi at a distance and if he went off the road I knew to stop.",
">\n\ndriving around with Semi-traction can be a bit dangerous sometimes.",
">\n\nIf they've got a full load they do better than cars and have more experienced drivers so I follow them too. But with an empty trailer they're screwed in high winds. I was thinking of passing one in Chicago snowstorm but the back drifted just a bit so I slowed down and kept back. Sure enough a few minutes later a gust caught him and the trailer swung across a couple lanes and almost jackknifed. Driver did a great job of getting it straightened back out so kudos to him! That was a long ass stressful drive back home though. I was exhausted.",
">\n\nThis is why people would rush to the store to buy up things like eggs, bread, milk, butter, TP, paper towels, etc... Sure people always panic when it's just a little snow but overall, these types of storms are why.",
">\n\nAlso why it's good to have some canned/dried goods. I keep about 4-5 days worth of soups, canned goods, rice, ramen, clean it out every once in a while if it doesn't get used. It's not costly either, that stuff is fairly cheap. \nBut man, this is pretty crazy. I think the most I've ever been trapped (no driving ban, just felt safe to leave) was 3 days in 2010 for \"Snowmaggedon\", these poor folks are almost going on a week.",
">\n\nYou keep 4-5 days worth?... I feel like I may be a hoarder if 4-5 days is considered a good amount.",
">\n\n4-5 days worth of food is nothing. I live in Louisiana and that’s the bare minimum in my opinion.",
">\n\nI'm pretty sure we have a month's worth of food all combined. Lots of dried beans and rice too. For me, it's to be prepared, and because of the poverty I've experienced, where all my food was from the food bank.",
">\n\nThat's very smart. Dried beans and rice are heaven when you have ZERO access. People don't understand that. it's not about what you want to eat in a disaster, its about eating high caloric/protein meals and staying adequately 'full', or, at the very least, having enough food to have some energy output.",
">\n\nAnother thing is maintaining a more positive mental state. When you don't meet the daily nutritive threshold it can mess with your head. Bad thought loops are the last thing you need in a natural disaster.",
">\n\nThis is 100 why I keep 'mental health food' in my pantry. A chocolate bar. Liquid IVs. Canned fruit. Stuff I know will boost me when I'm low. It helped so much during Ida.",
">\n\nEvery business that stayed open and didn't give their employees the option to stay home should be prosecuted. These people would t have been out in this if it wasn't for fear of losing their jobs. It's disgusting.",
">\n\nToo bad our elected officials don't represent their constituents' interests. Or rather they consider the businesses their constuents, rather than the voters.",
">\n\n\nOr rather they consider the businesses their constituents, rather than the voters.\n\nConservatives make no secret at all about this, and their voters are very straightforward about valuing business owners over regular people.",
">\n\nIt's not just conservatives, sadly. Both parties represent corporations over human beings.",
">\n\nTrue, but conservatives have turned the \"small business owner\" into an identity that they leverage against anybody who might need any sort of govt protections; the narrative is always that JimBob's Tire Emporium will go under if he has to pay over $8/hour or offer insurance. They all see themselves as JimBob. It's a really good trick.\nDems are for sure corrupt and support a lot of corporate agenda items but they campaign on individual wage and debt issues and do actually pass legislation. They're less psychopathic.",
">\n\nAnd yet conservative's talk about small business that way, but vote every damn time to make sure that larger companies get advantages - and those small businesses fail.",
">\n\nSo do Dems. Follow the money, both parties are propped up by the foulest industries and that isn't even considering dark money and super PACS.",
">\n\nI do, but I also look at the voting records. We need to get more people to run under \"Working Families\"that arent just \"better than the worse\" of the democrats.",
">\n\nLowes doesn't care. Still forcing employees to come in",
">\n\nI recently learned from a former Lowe’s employee that they have some sort of agreement with the government to be considered essential so that people and emergency services can get generators and equipment from them",
">\n\njesus, that's a lot of fucking snow \nlooking at that i'm having a mild ptsd from the four straight days of shoveling/blowing last week here in northern WI",
">\n\nHi fellow Northwoods resident!\nThe blow snow is the worst part. Stupid snow drifts. \nAlthough. My subdivision went from an open field to a street full of houses this summer. So the drifting is down considerably.",
">\n\nWyoming enters the chat Someone talking about snowdrifts? The jackalopes have it tough this year.",
">\n\nJesus I saw that Cheyenne dropped 32 degrees in temp in 10 minutes. That is seriously insane weather.",
">\n\nIt was awesome! \nDay after tomorrow quotes for a week! \nWe never lost power so it was a win. What's funny is that it was around 25 this morning. Still wearing short sleeve shirts after the last frost. It was crazy! Hope y'all are safe.",
">\n\nOne wonders if there is a list of missing people and if so, how long the list is",
">\n\nI saw a fucked up video of people coming across someone frozen on the ground.",
">\n\nThat's cold asf",
">\n\nYeah both what they were saying and acting and the fact the person froze to death.",
">\n\nI once slept outside in 5 to 10 degree weather, I hope all the homeless got somewhere warm.",
">\n\n\"Poloncarz, a Democrat, called the blizzard \"the worst storm probably in our lifetime,\" even for an area known for heavy snow. More bodies are expected to be found as the snow is cleared or melts.\" \nWtf does their political affiliation have to do with anything? \n\"Jeff here, who loves cheese, was devastated when his wife was unable to be rescued from her car\".",
">\n\nPeople need to know if they should agree or disagree with the statement about the storm.",
">\n\nWhat?!? He’s a democrat? \nThat’s all I needed to hear to know that this definitely was NOT the worst storm in the city’s history, typical democrat fear mongering.\nTheres no more bodies to find, but I’m sure the democrats will claim they found more bodies just to justify more government spending. They’ll be counting people that died 3 weeks ago as storm deaths. They count bodies the same way they count votes for Biden. LGB!!\n/s",
">\n\nRemenber: whatever out there isn't worth your life",
">\n\nWell said, just chill at your home safely till the storm reduces",
">\n\nMany houses do not have power and people are trying to get to the safety of a community shelter.",
">\n\nThis is true as well",
">\n\nI’m in buffalo we had no power for 74 hours and needed gas to run a generator to stay warm, to survive you have to make choices. There wasn’t even 911 services for the entire city for days.",
">\n\nIt's insane to me they announced no emergency services. It was like 48 hours. All the bodegas near me on the west side got robbed, pretty crazy.",
">\n\nIt is insane, and public services have to warn people and risk the looting. The government is a construct that's a failure when its needed lately. It's not going to get any better either...",
">\n\nThis is not the time to play on the roads, so stay off them",
">\n\nKind of hard to do that if you live in your car.",
">\n\nmy hometown 💔 my sister is still snowed in and had to walk to wegmans to try and get supplies. i really wish i could help",
">\n\nDoesn't help homeless people who have no choice.",
">\n\nMeanwhile, Starbucks etc. demanding to know why employees aren't clocked in",
">\n\nI happened to have my plans messed up from the weather, so I was chillin solo on Xmas. I couldn’t believe my local Starbucks was open. Give em a day, Jeaz! No one is missing Starbucks that day.",
">\n\nRight?\nI mean, it's one thing to be open on a holiday in a busy travel area, especially if you have staff who celebrate other holidays -- but floods, shootings, blizzards, holidays (where it's not necessary or at not busy stores). Pretty sure there is something in the \"How to Be Corporate\" manual that demands stores be open in the most ridiculous situations without exception; in fact, that more ridiculous the more critical it is for the store to be fully staffed :/",
">\n\nFor the people looking in from outside the area, the people of WNY take pride in being able to survive storms with minimal disruption. And remember that we just got thru a monumental storm just before thanksgiving. But unless you are at least 55 yrs old you can’t really remember conditions like those of last week. It was on a whole different level and all the local weatherman warnings about it’s impending severity couldn’t convince a large number of the population. The fact that they hype up a normal lake effect snow storm every 10 days may have played a small part in people disregarding the warnings but that’s a whole other conversation.",
">\n\nThe size of the Low and the massive pressure gradient between it and the cold high behind it was absolutely nuts.",
">\n\n\"but you're still coming in for your shift, right?\" - management",
">\n\nThese managers and store owners should be prosecuted and go to jail.",
">\n\nI'm looking forward to the several lawsuits from employees over their bosses making them show up to work.",
">\n\nThe people at those jobs don't have the means to sue. And if they do the company will stretch it out requiring court appearances but the employee doesn't have that many sick and vacation days so they either show up and lose their job or give up. People can't go that long without work to fight back against the evil bastards. The only chance is a large class action or if the business gets enough bad publicity that they settle.",
">\n\nSo did folks stock up on supplies before this thing hit? If you can't drive you can't get to the grocery store or pharmacy.",
">\n\nThis is why they say you should have 2 weeks worth of non-perishable food at home at all times. Even if it's just soup or pasta. Because there will come a time when you're stuck for several days and everything is shut down. I know it sucks because so many are living paycheck to paycheck, but it's important to have that little stash of food (and medicine).",
">\n\nExactly. Everyone should have an emergency kit.",
">\n\nYou know how bad it is after you learn Buffalo is a place that is no stranger to snow, cold snaps and blizzards.",
">\n\nMy mum couldn’t understand why there have been so many deaths and as someone who’s only been following the situation from a distance I couldn’t really give her a confident answer. Are people dying from being caught in the blizzard outside? Are they trapped inside with no heating or supplies and succumbing to the cold? Is it primarily elderly people? Was this storm foreseen and were people warned to be prepared?",
">\n\nThe snow was so bad, people got stuck on the road. For over 24 hours there were NO emergency services available because ALL their vehicles were stuck. People froze to death or died from carbon monoxide b/c they ran their motors for heat.\nWe has sustained 75mph winds on Friday that immediately knock power out, and heat for those without gas. Water pipes broke. Fires. People became disoriented walking & just fell over & died. The snow was heavy, so shoveling caused heart attacks.\nNo one could prepare us for this. I have lived in the Buffalo area for 54 years. I have seen storms, but not like this.",
">\n\nWe have gas heat but it’s forced air so no power= no heat. (Luckily we only had power flicker a few times- houses down the street lost power). \nI said elsewhere- I’ve never been in a situation where we were told “no emergency services- you’re on your own”. Maybe it happened in ‘77 but I was 5 then and I honestly don’t remember the storm.",
">\n\nI was 9 in '77 so I don't remember a lot either. I was also in Chautauqua county then & like this storm, it wasn't as bad down there. \nI am in Southtowns now. I agree 100% that this is a storm like no other in my lifetime. First the 5+ feet of snow a couple weeks ago, now this.\nWe were lucky too. I am SO GLAD you survived!🙏 Too many sad stories that didn't need to happen, and on Christmas no less. Peace & Go Bills!",
">\n\nThis is exactly why I hate snow. I know it's fun to ski and make snowmen and have snow ball fights. It's when you have to clear the snow due to it hindering something or drive in it, deaths result.",
">\n\nNo hair, our skin hurts in low temps, Our noses dont work under low humidity. For all intents and purposes, humans aren't meant to live in the cold.",
">\n\nEmployers:”Walk your ass to work. I’ll see you when the snow dies down because I took vacation.”",
">\n\nSome of those dead must be chili's managers who blew a blood vessel screaming at min wage workers that this storm \" wasn't that bad\" and \" we are going to be crazy busy\"",
">\n\n\"Well yes, but can you still come in? We're short-staffed. Be a team player! It's only a bit of snow!\"",
">\n\nBiggest issue people don’t understand; when you “have to” go to a store or run an errand and you get into an accident, you call 911.\nThose first responders shouldn’t be dealing with you right now, they should be trying to rescue any trapped victims that might still be alive.\nStop being selfish, stay off the roads and if you actually need something, ask neighbors for help, pool your resources and become a better community while others are given a chance to survive.",
">\n\nEmergency services were turned off for 2 days during the storm. The city was completely inaccessible so if you get into an accident you're on your own. My street (a main street in the heart of the west side) had a snow drift as high a stoplight blocking all access. Down the way was an abandoned semitruck blocking the entire road as well as other abandoned cars sprinkled across the landscape. The whole city was like this.",
">\n\nStill there will be a lot of people who think the ban doesn't apply to them because they have to go see grandma.",
">\n\nOr they're homeless and don't have anywhere else to go",
">\n\nHopefully people stay off the roads, bc this is no time to play",
">\n\nI still don't know anyone personally who has been ticketed for driving during the ban. I think they should automatically ticket every car that was abandoned on a bus route and let the owner explain why they were driving during the ban to determine if they have to pay the fine. People will not obey laws if there's no enforcement.\nPayloaders came down my street last night (Tuesday), so I was able to drive to ECMC to pick up my wife, but on my way there, a friend of mine texted me \"we're at the bar if you want to swing by\". Considering that the bartender had to drive in from Tonawanda, that bar should have been closed.",
">\n\nWonder how many people did it anyways in the name of “muh freedom” then ran to an already overworked emergency room when their stupidity backfired",
">\n\nEmergency Room? Nobody could get to the hospital and there were no ambulances",
">\n\nNewspapers had a combination of revenue. Income from subscribers and newsboxes proved their circulation which helped them sell ads. When people stopped paying for the paper they were also no longer eyeballs for the ads. And the fact that they paid to read in the first place contributes to the investment each party has in the advertiser, publication, readership relationship. \nBasic news reporting is worth every penny you pay, and even subscribing you should still look at every article critically for spin. Anyone who gives it to you free has an angle of their own.\nEdited to add: my parents subscribed to papers. I just read the headlines.",
">\n\nI worked at a small town paper with circulation about 30k (weekend) and we had about $12k daily revenue from classifieds ads that vaporized when craigslist came. Went from 10-14 pages of classifieds to half a page. Classifieds subsidized a lot of the paper.",
">\n\nYeah, competition for eyeballs went way way up in the digital age where investment costs are so so low compared to physical media overhead",
">\n\nIt's honestly really sad, that paper employed probably 100-150 ppl when i was there and now it does not exist on a local level.. there are some freelance reporters and photogs who submit stories but everything else is handled on a national level - there's a customer service call center, photo color correction is a central department for hundreds of papers, etc. They contract the press work to another larger paper and the delivery is handled by 1099 contractors. Local news barely exists anymore.",
">\n\nDriving ban? Where are the “my Freedumbs” people when you need them? This is unconstitutional! This is an overreach of government! Unbelievable! \n/s",
">\n\nAny good american would have taken out their AR15 and shot the blizzard..\n/s"
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Tired of the "muh freedumb" constant complainers... I really feel bad for the common sense people of the area. Same people, "why do weather forecasters always speak in sensationalism and hyperbole?"
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"31 deaths is crazy… stay safe out there!",
">\n\nI'm in Ohio and had to be the bad guy to my in-laws by saying we weren't coming to Christmas Eve, then they called the next day and said it took them an hour to drive 10 minutes home from the dinner we skipped and how dangerous it was. \nSome people gotta touch an oven to see if it's hot when you tell them ¯\\ಠಠ_/¯",
">\n\nAlso in Ohio. Called out of work the day of the storm even though it was only a 15 min drive away. Roads were still not cleared fully 2 days later.",
">\n\nI called out on Friday, I do not like my job enough to risk my life for it, especially during the holiday rush.",
">\n\nDon't get me wrong. My job is great and it pays well. But money is money and it'll cost a lot more for my loved ones to arrange my funeral than it would for me to miss a day of work.",
">\n\nI’m in BC where we got hit pretty bad last week, and my ethos was, “I get paid less in a day than my car insurance deductible costs”",
">\n\nHaha I’m gonna remember this",
">\n\nEmergency services were turned off for 2 days during the storm. The city was completely inaccessible so if you get into an accident you're on your own. My street (a main street in the heart of the west side) had a snow drift as high a stoplight blocking all access. Down the way was an abandoned semitruck blocking the entire road as well as other abandoned cars sprinkled across the landscape completely buried in snow. Trees fallen everywhere too. The whole city was like this.\nI knew it was going to be bad but this one was BAD",
">\n\nYou’ve been hit hard twice and it’s only December. Do you think about moving? Just curious. I live in Maine but come from Rochester NY and I don’t think I could deal with that level of disaster anymore.",
">\n\nGrew up in Rochester as well, moved to Southern Louisiana to get away from the snow. In the 90's I got cuaght several times on the stretch of 90 between Buffalo and Erie and wasn't sure I'd make it home. The snow through there is crazy, I would just follow a semi at a distance and if he went off the road I knew to stop.",
">\n\ndriving around with Semi-traction can be a bit dangerous sometimes.",
">\n\nIf they've got a full load they do better than cars and have more experienced drivers so I follow them too. But with an empty trailer they're screwed in high winds. I was thinking of passing one in Chicago snowstorm but the back drifted just a bit so I slowed down and kept back. Sure enough a few minutes later a gust caught him and the trailer swung across a couple lanes and almost jackknifed. Driver did a great job of getting it straightened back out so kudos to him! That was a long ass stressful drive back home though. I was exhausted.",
">\n\nThis is why people would rush to the store to buy up things like eggs, bread, milk, butter, TP, paper towels, etc... Sure people always panic when it's just a little snow but overall, these types of storms are why.",
">\n\nAlso why it's good to have some canned/dried goods. I keep about 4-5 days worth of soups, canned goods, rice, ramen, clean it out every once in a while if it doesn't get used. It's not costly either, that stuff is fairly cheap. \nBut man, this is pretty crazy. I think the most I've ever been trapped (no driving ban, just felt safe to leave) was 3 days in 2010 for \"Snowmaggedon\", these poor folks are almost going on a week.",
">\n\nYou keep 4-5 days worth?... I feel like I may be a hoarder if 4-5 days is considered a good amount.",
">\n\n4-5 days worth of food is nothing. I live in Louisiana and that’s the bare minimum in my opinion.",
">\n\nI'm pretty sure we have a month's worth of food all combined. Lots of dried beans and rice too. For me, it's to be prepared, and because of the poverty I've experienced, where all my food was from the food bank.",
">\n\nThat's very smart. Dried beans and rice are heaven when you have ZERO access. People don't understand that. it's not about what you want to eat in a disaster, its about eating high caloric/protein meals and staying adequately 'full', or, at the very least, having enough food to have some energy output.",
">\n\nAnother thing is maintaining a more positive mental state. When you don't meet the daily nutritive threshold it can mess with your head. Bad thought loops are the last thing you need in a natural disaster.",
">\n\nThis is 100 why I keep 'mental health food' in my pantry. A chocolate bar. Liquid IVs. Canned fruit. Stuff I know will boost me when I'm low. It helped so much during Ida.",
">\n\nEvery business that stayed open and didn't give their employees the option to stay home should be prosecuted. These people would t have been out in this if it wasn't for fear of losing their jobs. It's disgusting.",
">\n\nToo bad our elected officials don't represent their constituents' interests. Or rather they consider the businesses their constuents, rather than the voters.",
">\n\n\nOr rather they consider the businesses their constituents, rather than the voters.\n\nConservatives make no secret at all about this, and their voters are very straightforward about valuing business owners over regular people.",
">\n\nIt's not just conservatives, sadly. Both parties represent corporations over human beings.",
">\n\nTrue, but conservatives have turned the \"small business owner\" into an identity that they leverage against anybody who might need any sort of govt protections; the narrative is always that JimBob's Tire Emporium will go under if he has to pay over $8/hour or offer insurance. They all see themselves as JimBob. It's a really good trick.\nDems are for sure corrupt and support a lot of corporate agenda items but they campaign on individual wage and debt issues and do actually pass legislation. They're less psychopathic.",
">\n\nAnd yet conservative's talk about small business that way, but vote every damn time to make sure that larger companies get advantages - and those small businesses fail.",
">\n\nSo do Dems. Follow the money, both parties are propped up by the foulest industries and that isn't even considering dark money and super PACS.",
">\n\nI do, but I also look at the voting records. We need to get more people to run under \"Working Families\"that arent just \"better than the worse\" of the democrats.",
">\n\nLowes doesn't care. Still forcing employees to come in",
">\n\nI recently learned from a former Lowe’s employee that they have some sort of agreement with the government to be considered essential so that people and emergency services can get generators and equipment from them",
">\n\njesus, that's a lot of fucking snow \nlooking at that i'm having a mild ptsd from the four straight days of shoveling/blowing last week here in northern WI",
">\n\nHi fellow Northwoods resident!\nThe blow snow is the worst part. Stupid snow drifts. \nAlthough. My subdivision went from an open field to a street full of houses this summer. So the drifting is down considerably.",
">\n\nWyoming enters the chat Someone talking about snowdrifts? The jackalopes have it tough this year.",
">\n\nJesus I saw that Cheyenne dropped 32 degrees in temp in 10 minutes. That is seriously insane weather.",
">\n\nIt was awesome! \nDay after tomorrow quotes for a week! \nWe never lost power so it was a win. What's funny is that it was around 25 this morning. Still wearing short sleeve shirts after the last frost. It was crazy! Hope y'all are safe.",
">\n\nOne wonders if there is a list of missing people and if so, how long the list is",
">\n\nI saw a fucked up video of people coming across someone frozen on the ground.",
">\n\nThat's cold asf",
">\n\nYeah both what they were saying and acting and the fact the person froze to death.",
">\n\nI once slept outside in 5 to 10 degree weather, I hope all the homeless got somewhere warm.",
">\n\n\"Poloncarz, a Democrat, called the blizzard \"the worst storm probably in our lifetime,\" even for an area known for heavy snow. More bodies are expected to be found as the snow is cleared or melts.\" \nWtf does their political affiliation have to do with anything? \n\"Jeff here, who loves cheese, was devastated when his wife was unable to be rescued from her car\".",
">\n\nPeople need to know if they should agree or disagree with the statement about the storm.",
">\n\nWhat?!? He’s a democrat? \nThat’s all I needed to hear to know that this definitely was NOT the worst storm in the city’s history, typical democrat fear mongering.\nTheres no more bodies to find, but I’m sure the democrats will claim they found more bodies just to justify more government spending. They’ll be counting people that died 3 weeks ago as storm deaths. They count bodies the same way they count votes for Biden. LGB!!\n/s",
">\n\nRemenber: whatever out there isn't worth your life",
">\n\nWell said, just chill at your home safely till the storm reduces",
">\n\nMany houses do not have power and people are trying to get to the safety of a community shelter.",
">\n\nThis is true as well",
">\n\nI’m in buffalo we had no power for 74 hours and needed gas to run a generator to stay warm, to survive you have to make choices. There wasn’t even 911 services for the entire city for days.",
">\n\nIt's insane to me they announced no emergency services. It was like 48 hours. All the bodegas near me on the west side got robbed, pretty crazy.",
">\n\nIt is insane, and public services have to warn people and risk the looting. The government is a construct that's a failure when its needed lately. It's not going to get any better either...",
">\n\nThis is not the time to play on the roads, so stay off them",
">\n\nKind of hard to do that if you live in your car.",
">\n\nmy hometown 💔 my sister is still snowed in and had to walk to wegmans to try and get supplies. i really wish i could help",
">\n\nDoesn't help homeless people who have no choice.",
">\n\nMeanwhile, Starbucks etc. demanding to know why employees aren't clocked in",
">\n\nI happened to have my plans messed up from the weather, so I was chillin solo on Xmas. I couldn’t believe my local Starbucks was open. Give em a day, Jeaz! No one is missing Starbucks that day.",
">\n\nRight?\nI mean, it's one thing to be open on a holiday in a busy travel area, especially if you have staff who celebrate other holidays -- but floods, shootings, blizzards, holidays (where it's not necessary or at not busy stores). Pretty sure there is something in the \"How to Be Corporate\" manual that demands stores be open in the most ridiculous situations without exception; in fact, that more ridiculous the more critical it is for the store to be fully staffed :/",
">\n\nFor the people looking in from outside the area, the people of WNY take pride in being able to survive storms with minimal disruption. And remember that we just got thru a monumental storm just before thanksgiving. But unless you are at least 55 yrs old you can’t really remember conditions like those of last week. It was on a whole different level and all the local weatherman warnings about it’s impending severity couldn’t convince a large number of the population. The fact that they hype up a normal lake effect snow storm every 10 days may have played a small part in people disregarding the warnings but that’s a whole other conversation.",
">\n\nThe size of the Low and the massive pressure gradient between it and the cold high behind it was absolutely nuts.",
">\n\n\"but you're still coming in for your shift, right?\" - management",
">\n\nThese managers and store owners should be prosecuted and go to jail.",
">\n\nI'm looking forward to the several lawsuits from employees over their bosses making them show up to work.",
">\n\nThe people at those jobs don't have the means to sue. And if they do the company will stretch it out requiring court appearances but the employee doesn't have that many sick and vacation days so they either show up and lose their job or give up. People can't go that long without work to fight back against the evil bastards. The only chance is a large class action or if the business gets enough bad publicity that they settle.",
">\n\nSo did folks stock up on supplies before this thing hit? If you can't drive you can't get to the grocery store or pharmacy.",
">\n\nThis is why they say you should have 2 weeks worth of non-perishable food at home at all times. Even if it's just soup or pasta. Because there will come a time when you're stuck for several days and everything is shut down. I know it sucks because so many are living paycheck to paycheck, but it's important to have that little stash of food (and medicine).",
">\n\nExactly. Everyone should have an emergency kit.",
">\n\nYou know how bad it is after you learn Buffalo is a place that is no stranger to snow, cold snaps and blizzards.",
">\n\nMy mum couldn’t understand why there have been so many deaths and as someone who’s only been following the situation from a distance I couldn’t really give her a confident answer. Are people dying from being caught in the blizzard outside? Are they trapped inside with no heating or supplies and succumbing to the cold? Is it primarily elderly people? Was this storm foreseen and were people warned to be prepared?",
">\n\nThe snow was so bad, people got stuck on the road. For over 24 hours there were NO emergency services available because ALL their vehicles were stuck. People froze to death or died from carbon monoxide b/c they ran their motors for heat.\nWe has sustained 75mph winds on Friday that immediately knock power out, and heat for those without gas. Water pipes broke. Fires. People became disoriented walking & just fell over & died. The snow was heavy, so shoveling caused heart attacks.\nNo one could prepare us for this. I have lived in the Buffalo area for 54 years. I have seen storms, but not like this.",
">\n\nWe have gas heat but it’s forced air so no power= no heat. (Luckily we only had power flicker a few times- houses down the street lost power). \nI said elsewhere- I’ve never been in a situation where we were told “no emergency services- you’re on your own”. Maybe it happened in ‘77 but I was 5 then and I honestly don’t remember the storm.",
">\n\nI was 9 in '77 so I don't remember a lot either. I was also in Chautauqua county then & like this storm, it wasn't as bad down there. \nI am in Southtowns now. I agree 100% that this is a storm like no other in my lifetime. First the 5+ feet of snow a couple weeks ago, now this.\nWe were lucky too. I am SO GLAD you survived!🙏 Too many sad stories that didn't need to happen, and on Christmas no less. Peace & Go Bills!",
">\n\nThis is exactly why I hate snow. I know it's fun to ski and make snowmen and have snow ball fights. It's when you have to clear the snow due to it hindering something or drive in it, deaths result.",
">\n\nNo hair, our skin hurts in low temps, Our noses dont work under low humidity. For all intents and purposes, humans aren't meant to live in the cold.",
">\n\nEmployers:”Walk your ass to work. I’ll see you when the snow dies down because I took vacation.”",
">\n\nSome of those dead must be chili's managers who blew a blood vessel screaming at min wage workers that this storm \" wasn't that bad\" and \" we are going to be crazy busy\"",
">\n\n\"Well yes, but can you still come in? We're short-staffed. Be a team player! It's only a bit of snow!\"",
">\n\nBiggest issue people don’t understand; when you “have to” go to a store or run an errand and you get into an accident, you call 911.\nThose first responders shouldn’t be dealing with you right now, they should be trying to rescue any trapped victims that might still be alive.\nStop being selfish, stay off the roads and if you actually need something, ask neighbors for help, pool your resources and become a better community while others are given a chance to survive.",
">\n\nEmergency services were turned off for 2 days during the storm. The city was completely inaccessible so if you get into an accident you're on your own. My street (a main street in the heart of the west side) had a snow drift as high a stoplight blocking all access. Down the way was an abandoned semitruck blocking the entire road as well as other abandoned cars sprinkled across the landscape. The whole city was like this.",
">\n\nStill there will be a lot of people who think the ban doesn't apply to them because they have to go see grandma.",
">\n\nOr they're homeless and don't have anywhere else to go",
">\n\nHopefully people stay off the roads, bc this is no time to play",
">\n\nI still don't know anyone personally who has been ticketed for driving during the ban. I think they should automatically ticket every car that was abandoned on a bus route and let the owner explain why they were driving during the ban to determine if they have to pay the fine. People will not obey laws if there's no enforcement.\nPayloaders came down my street last night (Tuesday), so I was able to drive to ECMC to pick up my wife, but on my way there, a friend of mine texted me \"we're at the bar if you want to swing by\". Considering that the bartender had to drive in from Tonawanda, that bar should have been closed.",
">\n\nWonder how many people did it anyways in the name of “muh freedom” then ran to an already overworked emergency room when their stupidity backfired",
">\n\nEmergency Room? Nobody could get to the hospital and there were no ambulances",
">\n\nNewspapers had a combination of revenue. Income from subscribers and newsboxes proved their circulation which helped them sell ads. When people stopped paying for the paper they were also no longer eyeballs for the ads. And the fact that they paid to read in the first place contributes to the investment each party has in the advertiser, publication, readership relationship. \nBasic news reporting is worth every penny you pay, and even subscribing you should still look at every article critically for spin. Anyone who gives it to you free has an angle of their own.\nEdited to add: my parents subscribed to papers. I just read the headlines.",
">\n\nI worked at a small town paper with circulation about 30k (weekend) and we had about $12k daily revenue from classifieds ads that vaporized when craigslist came. Went from 10-14 pages of classifieds to half a page. Classifieds subsidized a lot of the paper.",
">\n\nYeah, competition for eyeballs went way way up in the digital age where investment costs are so so low compared to physical media overhead",
">\n\nIt's honestly really sad, that paper employed probably 100-150 ppl when i was there and now it does not exist on a local level.. there are some freelance reporters and photogs who submit stories but everything else is handled on a national level - there's a customer service call center, photo color correction is a central department for hundreds of papers, etc. They contract the press work to another larger paper and the delivery is handled by 1099 contractors. Local news barely exists anymore.",
">\n\nDriving ban? Where are the “my Freedumbs” people when you need them? This is unconstitutional! This is an overreach of government! Unbelievable! \n/s",
">\n\nAny good american would have taken out their AR15 and shot the blizzard..\n/s",
">\n\nI got DOWNVOTED for SARCASM!?! \nFuck you Reddit! lol :-)"
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No protests about government overreach?
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"31 deaths is crazy… stay safe out there!",
">\n\nI'm in Ohio and had to be the bad guy to my in-laws by saying we weren't coming to Christmas Eve, then they called the next day and said it took them an hour to drive 10 minutes home from the dinner we skipped and how dangerous it was. \nSome people gotta touch an oven to see if it's hot when you tell them ¯\\ಠಠ_/¯",
">\n\nAlso in Ohio. Called out of work the day of the storm even though it was only a 15 min drive away. Roads were still not cleared fully 2 days later.",
">\n\nI called out on Friday, I do not like my job enough to risk my life for it, especially during the holiday rush.",
">\n\nDon't get me wrong. My job is great and it pays well. But money is money and it'll cost a lot more for my loved ones to arrange my funeral than it would for me to miss a day of work.",
">\n\nI’m in BC where we got hit pretty bad last week, and my ethos was, “I get paid less in a day than my car insurance deductible costs”",
">\n\nHaha I’m gonna remember this",
">\n\nEmergency services were turned off for 2 days during the storm. The city was completely inaccessible so if you get into an accident you're on your own. My street (a main street in the heart of the west side) had a snow drift as high a stoplight blocking all access. Down the way was an abandoned semitruck blocking the entire road as well as other abandoned cars sprinkled across the landscape completely buried in snow. Trees fallen everywhere too. The whole city was like this.\nI knew it was going to be bad but this one was BAD",
">\n\nYou’ve been hit hard twice and it’s only December. Do you think about moving? Just curious. I live in Maine but come from Rochester NY and I don’t think I could deal with that level of disaster anymore.",
">\n\nGrew up in Rochester as well, moved to Southern Louisiana to get away from the snow. In the 90's I got cuaght several times on the stretch of 90 between Buffalo and Erie and wasn't sure I'd make it home. The snow through there is crazy, I would just follow a semi at a distance and if he went off the road I knew to stop.",
">\n\ndriving around with Semi-traction can be a bit dangerous sometimes.",
">\n\nIf they've got a full load they do better than cars and have more experienced drivers so I follow them too. But with an empty trailer they're screwed in high winds. I was thinking of passing one in Chicago snowstorm but the back drifted just a bit so I slowed down and kept back. Sure enough a few minutes later a gust caught him and the trailer swung across a couple lanes and almost jackknifed. Driver did a great job of getting it straightened back out so kudos to him! That was a long ass stressful drive back home though. I was exhausted.",
">\n\nThis is why people would rush to the store to buy up things like eggs, bread, milk, butter, TP, paper towels, etc... Sure people always panic when it's just a little snow but overall, these types of storms are why.",
">\n\nAlso why it's good to have some canned/dried goods. I keep about 4-5 days worth of soups, canned goods, rice, ramen, clean it out every once in a while if it doesn't get used. It's not costly either, that stuff is fairly cheap. \nBut man, this is pretty crazy. I think the most I've ever been trapped (no driving ban, just felt safe to leave) was 3 days in 2010 for \"Snowmaggedon\", these poor folks are almost going on a week.",
">\n\nYou keep 4-5 days worth?... I feel like I may be a hoarder if 4-5 days is considered a good amount.",
">\n\n4-5 days worth of food is nothing. I live in Louisiana and that’s the bare minimum in my opinion.",
">\n\nI'm pretty sure we have a month's worth of food all combined. Lots of dried beans and rice too. For me, it's to be prepared, and because of the poverty I've experienced, where all my food was from the food bank.",
">\n\nThat's very smart. Dried beans and rice are heaven when you have ZERO access. People don't understand that. it's not about what you want to eat in a disaster, its about eating high caloric/protein meals and staying adequately 'full', or, at the very least, having enough food to have some energy output.",
">\n\nAnother thing is maintaining a more positive mental state. When you don't meet the daily nutritive threshold it can mess with your head. Bad thought loops are the last thing you need in a natural disaster.",
">\n\nThis is 100 why I keep 'mental health food' in my pantry. A chocolate bar. Liquid IVs. Canned fruit. Stuff I know will boost me when I'm low. It helped so much during Ida.",
">\n\nEvery business that stayed open and didn't give their employees the option to stay home should be prosecuted. These people would t have been out in this if it wasn't for fear of losing their jobs. It's disgusting.",
">\n\nToo bad our elected officials don't represent their constituents' interests. Or rather they consider the businesses their constuents, rather than the voters.",
">\n\n\nOr rather they consider the businesses their constituents, rather than the voters.\n\nConservatives make no secret at all about this, and their voters are very straightforward about valuing business owners over regular people.",
">\n\nIt's not just conservatives, sadly. Both parties represent corporations over human beings.",
">\n\nTrue, but conservatives have turned the \"small business owner\" into an identity that they leverage against anybody who might need any sort of govt protections; the narrative is always that JimBob's Tire Emporium will go under if he has to pay over $8/hour or offer insurance. They all see themselves as JimBob. It's a really good trick.\nDems are for sure corrupt and support a lot of corporate agenda items but they campaign on individual wage and debt issues and do actually pass legislation. They're less psychopathic.",
">\n\nAnd yet conservative's talk about small business that way, but vote every damn time to make sure that larger companies get advantages - and those small businesses fail.",
">\n\nSo do Dems. Follow the money, both parties are propped up by the foulest industries and that isn't even considering dark money and super PACS.",
">\n\nI do, but I also look at the voting records. We need to get more people to run under \"Working Families\"that arent just \"better than the worse\" of the democrats.",
">\n\nLowes doesn't care. Still forcing employees to come in",
">\n\nI recently learned from a former Lowe’s employee that they have some sort of agreement with the government to be considered essential so that people and emergency services can get generators and equipment from them",
">\n\njesus, that's a lot of fucking snow \nlooking at that i'm having a mild ptsd from the four straight days of shoveling/blowing last week here in northern WI",
">\n\nHi fellow Northwoods resident!\nThe blow snow is the worst part. Stupid snow drifts. \nAlthough. My subdivision went from an open field to a street full of houses this summer. So the drifting is down considerably.",
">\n\nWyoming enters the chat Someone talking about snowdrifts? The jackalopes have it tough this year.",
">\n\nJesus I saw that Cheyenne dropped 32 degrees in temp in 10 minutes. That is seriously insane weather.",
">\n\nIt was awesome! \nDay after tomorrow quotes for a week! \nWe never lost power so it was a win. What's funny is that it was around 25 this morning. Still wearing short sleeve shirts after the last frost. It was crazy! Hope y'all are safe.",
">\n\nOne wonders if there is a list of missing people and if so, how long the list is",
">\n\nI saw a fucked up video of people coming across someone frozen on the ground.",
">\n\nThat's cold asf",
">\n\nYeah both what they were saying and acting and the fact the person froze to death.",
">\n\nI once slept outside in 5 to 10 degree weather, I hope all the homeless got somewhere warm.",
">\n\n\"Poloncarz, a Democrat, called the blizzard \"the worst storm probably in our lifetime,\" even for an area known for heavy snow. More bodies are expected to be found as the snow is cleared or melts.\" \nWtf does their political affiliation have to do with anything? \n\"Jeff here, who loves cheese, was devastated when his wife was unable to be rescued from her car\".",
">\n\nPeople need to know if they should agree or disagree with the statement about the storm.",
">\n\nWhat?!? He’s a democrat? \nThat’s all I needed to hear to know that this definitely was NOT the worst storm in the city’s history, typical democrat fear mongering.\nTheres no more bodies to find, but I’m sure the democrats will claim they found more bodies just to justify more government spending. They’ll be counting people that died 3 weeks ago as storm deaths. They count bodies the same way they count votes for Biden. LGB!!\n/s",
">\n\nRemenber: whatever out there isn't worth your life",
">\n\nWell said, just chill at your home safely till the storm reduces",
">\n\nMany houses do not have power and people are trying to get to the safety of a community shelter.",
">\n\nThis is true as well",
">\n\nI’m in buffalo we had no power for 74 hours and needed gas to run a generator to stay warm, to survive you have to make choices. There wasn’t even 911 services for the entire city for days.",
">\n\nIt's insane to me they announced no emergency services. It was like 48 hours. All the bodegas near me on the west side got robbed, pretty crazy.",
">\n\nIt is insane, and public services have to warn people and risk the looting. The government is a construct that's a failure when its needed lately. It's not going to get any better either...",
">\n\nThis is not the time to play on the roads, so stay off them",
">\n\nKind of hard to do that if you live in your car.",
">\n\nmy hometown 💔 my sister is still snowed in and had to walk to wegmans to try and get supplies. i really wish i could help",
">\n\nDoesn't help homeless people who have no choice.",
">\n\nMeanwhile, Starbucks etc. demanding to know why employees aren't clocked in",
">\n\nI happened to have my plans messed up from the weather, so I was chillin solo on Xmas. I couldn’t believe my local Starbucks was open. Give em a day, Jeaz! No one is missing Starbucks that day.",
">\n\nRight?\nI mean, it's one thing to be open on a holiday in a busy travel area, especially if you have staff who celebrate other holidays -- but floods, shootings, blizzards, holidays (where it's not necessary or at not busy stores). Pretty sure there is something in the \"How to Be Corporate\" manual that demands stores be open in the most ridiculous situations without exception; in fact, that more ridiculous the more critical it is for the store to be fully staffed :/",
">\n\nFor the people looking in from outside the area, the people of WNY take pride in being able to survive storms with minimal disruption. And remember that we just got thru a monumental storm just before thanksgiving. But unless you are at least 55 yrs old you can’t really remember conditions like those of last week. It was on a whole different level and all the local weatherman warnings about it’s impending severity couldn’t convince a large number of the population. The fact that they hype up a normal lake effect snow storm every 10 days may have played a small part in people disregarding the warnings but that’s a whole other conversation.",
">\n\nThe size of the Low and the massive pressure gradient between it and the cold high behind it was absolutely nuts.",
">\n\n\"but you're still coming in for your shift, right?\" - management",
">\n\nThese managers and store owners should be prosecuted and go to jail.",
">\n\nI'm looking forward to the several lawsuits from employees over their bosses making them show up to work.",
">\n\nThe people at those jobs don't have the means to sue. And if they do the company will stretch it out requiring court appearances but the employee doesn't have that many sick and vacation days so they either show up and lose their job or give up. People can't go that long without work to fight back against the evil bastards. The only chance is a large class action or if the business gets enough bad publicity that they settle.",
">\n\nSo did folks stock up on supplies before this thing hit? If you can't drive you can't get to the grocery store or pharmacy.",
">\n\nThis is why they say you should have 2 weeks worth of non-perishable food at home at all times. Even if it's just soup or pasta. Because there will come a time when you're stuck for several days and everything is shut down. I know it sucks because so many are living paycheck to paycheck, but it's important to have that little stash of food (and medicine).",
">\n\nExactly. Everyone should have an emergency kit.",
">\n\nYou know how bad it is after you learn Buffalo is a place that is no stranger to snow, cold snaps and blizzards.",
">\n\nMy mum couldn’t understand why there have been so many deaths and as someone who’s only been following the situation from a distance I couldn’t really give her a confident answer. Are people dying from being caught in the blizzard outside? Are they trapped inside with no heating or supplies and succumbing to the cold? Is it primarily elderly people? Was this storm foreseen and were people warned to be prepared?",
">\n\nThe snow was so bad, people got stuck on the road. For over 24 hours there were NO emergency services available because ALL their vehicles were stuck. People froze to death or died from carbon monoxide b/c they ran their motors for heat.\nWe has sustained 75mph winds on Friday that immediately knock power out, and heat for those without gas. Water pipes broke. Fires. People became disoriented walking & just fell over & died. The snow was heavy, so shoveling caused heart attacks.\nNo one could prepare us for this. I have lived in the Buffalo area for 54 years. I have seen storms, but not like this.",
">\n\nWe have gas heat but it’s forced air so no power= no heat. (Luckily we only had power flicker a few times- houses down the street lost power). \nI said elsewhere- I’ve never been in a situation where we were told “no emergency services- you’re on your own”. Maybe it happened in ‘77 but I was 5 then and I honestly don’t remember the storm.",
">\n\nI was 9 in '77 so I don't remember a lot either. I was also in Chautauqua county then & like this storm, it wasn't as bad down there. \nI am in Southtowns now. I agree 100% that this is a storm like no other in my lifetime. First the 5+ feet of snow a couple weeks ago, now this.\nWe were lucky too. I am SO GLAD you survived!🙏 Too many sad stories that didn't need to happen, and on Christmas no less. Peace & Go Bills!",
">\n\nThis is exactly why I hate snow. I know it's fun to ski and make snowmen and have snow ball fights. It's when you have to clear the snow due to it hindering something or drive in it, deaths result.",
">\n\nNo hair, our skin hurts in low temps, Our noses dont work under low humidity. For all intents and purposes, humans aren't meant to live in the cold.",
">\n\nEmployers:”Walk your ass to work. I’ll see you when the snow dies down because I took vacation.”",
">\n\nSome of those dead must be chili's managers who blew a blood vessel screaming at min wage workers that this storm \" wasn't that bad\" and \" we are going to be crazy busy\"",
">\n\n\"Well yes, but can you still come in? We're short-staffed. Be a team player! It's only a bit of snow!\"",
">\n\nBiggest issue people don’t understand; when you “have to” go to a store or run an errand and you get into an accident, you call 911.\nThose first responders shouldn’t be dealing with you right now, they should be trying to rescue any trapped victims that might still be alive.\nStop being selfish, stay off the roads and if you actually need something, ask neighbors for help, pool your resources and become a better community while others are given a chance to survive.",
">\n\nEmergency services were turned off for 2 days during the storm. The city was completely inaccessible so if you get into an accident you're on your own. My street (a main street in the heart of the west side) had a snow drift as high a stoplight blocking all access. Down the way was an abandoned semitruck blocking the entire road as well as other abandoned cars sprinkled across the landscape. The whole city was like this.",
">\n\nStill there will be a lot of people who think the ban doesn't apply to them because they have to go see grandma.",
">\n\nOr they're homeless and don't have anywhere else to go",
">\n\nHopefully people stay off the roads, bc this is no time to play",
">\n\nI still don't know anyone personally who has been ticketed for driving during the ban. I think they should automatically ticket every car that was abandoned on a bus route and let the owner explain why they were driving during the ban to determine if they have to pay the fine. People will not obey laws if there's no enforcement.\nPayloaders came down my street last night (Tuesday), so I was able to drive to ECMC to pick up my wife, but on my way there, a friend of mine texted me \"we're at the bar if you want to swing by\". Considering that the bartender had to drive in from Tonawanda, that bar should have been closed.",
">\n\nWonder how many people did it anyways in the name of “muh freedom” then ran to an already overworked emergency room when their stupidity backfired",
">\n\nEmergency Room? Nobody could get to the hospital and there were no ambulances",
">\n\nNewspapers had a combination of revenue. Income from subscribers and newsboxes proved their circulation which helped them sell ads. When people stopped paying for the paper they were also no longer eyeballs for the ads. And the fact that they paid to read in the first place contributes to the investment each party has in the advertiser, publication, readership relationship. \nBasic news reporting is worth every penny you pay, and even subscribing you should still look at every article critically for spin. Anyone who gives it to you free has an angle of their own.\nEdited to add: my parents subscribed to papers. I just read the headlines.",
">\n\nI worked at a small town paper with circulation about 30k (weekend) and we had about $12k daily revenue from classifieds ads that vaporized when craigslist came. Went from 10-14 pages of classifieds to half a page. Classifieds subsidized a lot of the paper.",
">\n\nYeah, competition for eyeballs went way way up in the digital age where investment costs are so so low compared to physical media overhead",
">\n\nIt's honestly really sad, that paper employed probably 100-150 ppl when i was there and now it does not exist on a local level.. there are some freelance reporters and photogs who submit stories but everything else is handled on a national level - there's a customer service call center, photo color correction is a central department for hundreds of papers, etc. They contract the press work to another larger paper and the delivery is handled by 1099 contractors. Local news barely exists anymore.",
">\n\nDriving ban? Where are the “my Freedumbs” people when you need them? This is unconstitutional! This is an overreach of government! Unbelievable! \n/s",
">\n\nAny good american would have taken out their AR15 and shot the blizzard..\n/s",
">\n\nI got DOWNVOTED for SARCASM!?! \nFuck you Reddit! lol :-)",
">\n\nTired of the \"muh freedumb\" constant complainers... I really feel bad for the common sense people of the area. Same people, \"why do weather forecasters always speak in sensationalism and hyperbole?\""
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Isn't it about to be warm again. Wondr8ng how much of this snow will melt with a few days above freezing and rain
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"31 deaths is crazy… stay safe out there!",
">\n\nI'm in Ohio and had to be the bad guy to my in-laws by saying we weren't coming to Christmas Eve, then they called the next day and said it took them an hour to drive 10 minutes home from the dinner we skipped and how dangerous it was. \nSome people gotta touch an oven to see if it's hot when you tell them ¯\\ಠಠ_/¯",
">\n\nAlso in Ohio. Called out of work the day of the storm even though it was only a 15 min drive away. Roads were still not cleared fully 2 days later.",
">\n\nI called out on Friday, I do not like my job enough to risk my life for it, especially during the holiday rush.",
">\n\nDon't get me wrong. My job is great and it pays well. But money is money and it'll cost a lot more for my loved ones to arrange my funeral than it would for me to miss a day of work.",
">\n\nI’m in BC where we got hit pretty bad last week, and my ethos was, “I get paid less in a day than my car insurance deductible costs”",
">\n\nHaha I’m gonna remember this",
">\n\nEmergency services were turned off for 2 days during the storm. The city was completely inaccessible so if you get into an accident you're on your own. My street (a main street in the heart of the west side) had a snow drift as high a stoplight blocking all access. Down the way was an abandoned semitruck blocking the entire road as well as other abandoned cars sprinkled across the landscape completely buried in snow. Trees fallen everywhere too. The whole city was like this.\nI knew it was going to be bad but this one was BAD",
">\n\nYou’ve been hit hard twice and it’s only December. Do you think about moving? Just curious. I live in Maine but come from Rochester NY and I don’t think I could deal with that level of disaster anymore.",
">\n\nGrew up in Rochester as well, moved to Southern Louisiana to get away from the snow. In the 90's I got cuaght several times on the stretch of 90 between Buffalo and Erie and wasn't sure I'd make it home. The snow through there is crazy, I would just follow a semi at a distance and if he went off the road I knew to stop.",
">\n\ndriving around with Semi-traction can be a bit dangerous sometimes.",
">\n\nIf they've got a full load they do better than cars and have more experienced drivers so I follow them too. But with an empty trailer they're screwed in high winds. I was thinking of passing one in Chicago snowstorm but the back drifted just a bit so I slowed down and kept back. Sure enough a few minutes later a gust caught him and the trailer swung across a couple lanes and almost jackknifed. Driver did a great job of getting it straightened back out so kudos to him! That was a long ass stressful drive back home though. I was exhausted.",
">\n\nThis is why people would rush to the store to buy up things like eggs, bread, milk, butter, TP, paper towels, etc... Sure people always panic when it's just a little snow but overall, these types of storms are why.",
">\n\nAlso why it's good to have some canned/dried goods. I keep about 4-5 days worth of soups, canned goods, rice, ramen, clean it out every once in a while if it doesn't get used. It's not costly either, that stuff is fairly cheap. \nBut man, this is pretty crazy. I think the most I've ever been trapped (no driving ban, just felt safe to leave) was 3 days in 2010 for \"Snowmaggedon\", these poor folks are almost going on a week.",
">\n\nYou keep 4-5 days worth?... I feel like I may be a hoarder if 4-5 days is considered a good amount.",
">\n\n4-5 days worth of food is nothing. I live in Louisiana and that’s the bare minimum in my opinion.",
">\n\nI'm pretty sure we have a month's worth of food all combined. Lots of dried beans and rice too. For me, it's to be prepared, and because of the poverty I've experienced, where all my food was from the food bank.",
">\n\nThat's very smart. Dried beans and rice are heaven when you have ZERO access. People don't understand that. it's not about what you want to eat in a disaster, its about eating high caloric/protein meals and staying adequately 'full', or, at the very least, having enough food to have some energy output.",
">\n\nAnother thing is maintaining a more positive mental state. When you don't meet the daily nutritive threshold it can mess with your head. Bad thought loops are the last thing you need in a natural disaster.",
">\n\nThis is 100 why I keep 'mental health food' in my pantry. A chocolate bar. Liquid IVs. Canned fruit. Stuff I know will boost me when I'm low. It helped so much during Ida.",
">\n\nEvery business that stayed open and didn't give their employees the option to stay home should be prosecuted. These people would t have been out in this if it wasn't for fear of losing their jobs. It's disgusting.",
">\n\nToo bad our elected officials don't represent their constituents' interests. Or rather they consider the businesses their constuents, rather than the voters.",
">\n\n\nOr rather they consider the businesses their constituents, rather than the voters.\n\nConservatives make no secret at all about this, and their voters are very straightforward about valuing business owners over regular people.",
">\n\nIt's not just conservatives, sadly. Both parties represent corporations over human beings.",
">\n\nTrue, but conservatives have turned the \"small business owner\" into an identity that they leverage against anybody who might need any sort of govt protections; the narrative is always that JimBob's Tire Emporium will go under if he has to pay over $8/hour or offer insurance. They all see themselves as JimBob. It's a really good trick.\nDems are for sure corrupt and support a lot of corporate agenda items but they campaign on individual wage and debt issues and do actually pass legislation. They're less psychopathic.",
">\n\nAnd yet conservative's talk about small business that way, but vote every damn time to make sure that larger companies get advantages - and those small businesses fail.",
">\n\nSo do Dems. Follow the money, both parties are propped up by the foulest industries and that isn't even considering dark money and super PACS.",
">\n\nI do, but I also look at the voting records. We need to get more people to run under \"Working Families\"that arent just \"better than the worse\" of the democrats.",
">\n\nLowes doesn't care. Still forcing employees to come in",
">\n\nI recently learned from a former Lowe’s employee that they have some sort of agreement with the government to be considered essential so that people and emergency services can get generators and equipment from them",
">\n\njesus, that's a lot of fucking snow \nlooking at that i'm having a mild ptsd from the four straight days of shoveling/blowing last week here in northern WI",
">\n\nHi fellow Northwoods resident!\nThe blow snow is the worst part. Stupid snow drifts. \nAlthough. My subdivision went from an open field to a street full of houses this summer. So the drifting is down considerably.",
">\n\nWyoming enters the chat Someone talking about snowdrifts? The jackalopes have it tough this year.",
">\n\nJesus I saw that Cheyenne dropped 32 degrees in temp in 10 minutes. That is seriously insane weather.",
">\n\nIt was awesome! \nDay after tomorrow quotes for a week! \nWe never lost power so it was a win. What's funny is that it was around 25 this morning. Still wearing short sleeve shirts after the last frost. It was crazy! Hope y'all are safe.",
">\n\nOne wonders if there is a list of missing people and if so, how long the list is",
">\n\nI saw a fucked up video of people coming across someone frozen on the ground.",
">\n\nThat's cold asf",
">\n\nYeah both what they were saying and acting and the fact the person froze to death.",
">\n\nI once slept outside in 5 to 10 degree weather, I hope all the homeless got somewhere warm.",
">\n\n\"Poloncarz, a Democrat, called the blizzard \"the worst storm probably in our lifetime,\" even for an area known for heavy snow. More bodies are expected to be found as the snow is cleared or melts.\" \nWtf does their political affiliation have to do with anything? \n\"Jeff here, who loves cheese, was devastated when his wife was unable to be rescued from her car\".",
">\n\nPeople need to know if they should agree or disagree with the statement about the storm.",
">\n\nWhat?!? He’s a democrat? \nThat’s all I needed to hear to know that this definitely was NOT the worst storm in the city’s history, typical democrat fear mongering.\nTheres no more bodies to find, but I’m sure the democrats will claim they found more bodies just to justify more government spending. They’ll be counting people that died 3 weeks ago as storm deaths. They count bodies the same way they count votes for Biden. LGB!!\n/s",
">\n\nRemenber: whatever out there isn't worth your life",
">\n\nWell said, just chill at your home safely till the storm reduces",
">\n\nMany houses do not have power and people are trying to get to the safety of a community shelter.",
">\n\nThis is true as well",
">\n\nI’m in buffalo we had no power for 74 hours and needed gas to run a generator to stay warm, to survive you have to make choices. There wasn’t even 911 services for the entire city for days.",
">\n\nIt's insane to me they announced no emergency services. It was like 48 hours. All the bodegas near me on the west side got robbed, pretty crazy.",
">\n\nIt is insane, and public services have to warn people and risk the looting. The government is a construct that's a failure when its needed lately. It's not going to get any better either...",
">\n\nThis is not the time to play on the roads, so stay off them",
">\n\nKind of hard to do that if you live in your car.",
">\n\nmy hometown 💔 my sister is still snowed in and had to walk to wegmans to try and get supplies. i really wish i could help",
">\n\nDoesn't help homeless people who have no choice.",
">\n\nMeanwhile, Starbucks etc. demanding to know why employees aren't clocked in",
">\n\nI happened to have my plans messed up from the weather, so I was chillin solo on Xmas. I couldn’t believe my local Starbucks was open. Give em a day, Jeaz! No one is missing Starbucks that day.",
">\n\nRight?\nI mean, it's one thing to be open on a holiday in a busy travel area, especially if you have staff who celebrate other holidays -- but floods, shootings, blizzards, holidays (where it's not necessary or at not busy stores). Pretty sure there is something in the \"How to Be Corporate\" manual that demands stores be open in the most ridiculous situations without exception; in fact, that more ridiculous the more critical it is for the store to be fully staffed :/",
">\n\nFor the people looking in from outside the area, the people of WNY take pride in being able to survive storms with minimal disruption. And remember that we just got thru a monumental storm just before thanksgiving. But unless you are at least 55 yrs old you can’t really remember conditions like those of last week. It was on a whole different level and all the local weatherman warnings about it’s impending severity couldn’t convince a large number of the population. The fact that they hype up a normal lake effect snow storm every 10 days may have played a small part in people disregarding the warnings but that’s a whole other conversation.",
">\n\nThe size of the Low and the massive pressure gradient between it and the cold high behind it was absolutely nuts.",
">\n\n\"but you're still coming in for your shift, right?\" - management",
">\n\nThese managers and store owners should be prosecuted and go to jail.",
">\n\nI'm looking forward to the several lawsuits from employees over their bosses making them show up to work.",
">\n\nThe people at those jobs don't have the means to sue. And if they do the company will stretch it out requiring court appearances but the employee doesn't have that many sick and vacation days so they either show up and lose their job or give up. People can't go that long without work to fight back against the evil bastards. The only chance is a large class action or if the business gets enough bad publicity that they settle.",
">\n\nSo did folks stock up on supplies before this thing hit? If you can't drive you can't get to the grocery store or pharmacy.",
">\n\nThis is why they say you should have 2 weeks worth of non-perishable food at home at all times. Even if it's just soup or pasta. Because there will come a time when you're stuck for several days and everything is shut down. I know it sucks because so many are living paycheck to paycheck, but it's important to have that little stash of food (and medicine).",
">\n\nExactly. Everyone should have an emergency kit.",
">\n\nYou know how bad it is after you learn Buffalo is a place that is no stranger to snow, cold snaps and blizzards.",
">\n\nMy mum couldn’t understand why there have been so many deaths and as someone who’s only been following the situation from a distance I couldn’t really give her a confident answer. Are people dying from being caught in the blizzard outside? Are they trapped inside with no heating or supplies and succumbing to the cold? Is it primarily elderly people? Was this storm foreseen and were people warned to be prepared?",
">\n\nThe snow was so bad, people got stuck on the road. For over 24 hours there were NO emergency services available because ALL their vehicles were stuck. People froze to death or died from carbon monoxide b/c they ran their motors for heat.\nWe has sustained 75mph winds on Friday that immediately knock power out, and heat for those without gas. Water pipes broke. Fires. People became disoriented walking & just fell over & died. The snow was heavy, so shoveling caused heart attacks.\nNo one could prepare us for this. I have lived in the Buffalo area for 54 years. I have seen storms, but not like this.",
">\n\nWe have gas heat but it’s forced air so no power= no heat. (Luckily we only had power flicker a few times- houses down the street lost power). \nI said elsewhere- I’ve never been in a situation where we were told “no emergency services- you’re on your own”. Maybe it happened in ‘77 but I was 5 then and I honestly don’t remember the storm.",
">\n\nI was 9 in '77 so I don't remember a lot either. I was also in Chautauqua county then & like this storm, it wasn't as bad down there. \nI am in Southtowns now. I agree 100% that this is a storm like no other in my lifetime. First the 5+ feet of snow a couple weeks ago, now this.\nWe were lucky too. I am SO GLAD you survived!🙏 Too many sad stories that didn't need to happen, and on Christmas no less. Peace & Go Bills!",
">\n\nThis is exactly why I hate snow. I know it's fun to ski and make snowmen and have snow ball fights. It's when you have to clear the snow due to it hindering something or drive in it, deaths result.",
">\n\nNo hair, our skin hurts in low temps, Our noses dont work under low humidity. For all intents and purposes, humans aren't meant to live in the cold.",
">\n\nEmployers:”Walk your ass to work. I’ll see you when the snow dies down because I took vacation.”",
">\n\nSome of those dead must be chili's managers who blew a blood vessel screaming at min wage workers that this storm \" wasn't that bad\" and \" we are going to be crazy busy\"",
">\n\n\"Well yes, but can you still come in? We're short-staffed. Be a team player! It's only a bit of snow!\"",
">\n\nBiggest issue people don’t understand; when you “have to” go to a store or run an errand and you get into an accident, you call 911.\nThose first responders shouldn’t be dealing with you right now, they should be trying to rescue any trapped victims that might still be alive.\nStop being selfish, stay off the roads and if you actually need something, ask neighbors for help, pool your resources and become a better community while others are given a chance to survive.",
">\n\nEmergency services were turned off for 2 days during the storm. The city was completely inaccessible so if you get into an accident you're on your own. My street (a main street in the heart of the west side) had a snow drift as high a stoplight blocking all access. Down the way was an abandoned semitruck blocking the entire road as well as other abandoned cars sprinkled across the landscape. The whole city was like this.",
">\n\nStill there will be a lot of people who think the ban doesn't apply to them because they have to go see grandma.",
">\n\nOr they're homeless and don't have anywhere else to go",
">\n\nHopefully people stay off the roads, bc this is no time to play",
">\n\nI still don't know anyone personally who has been ticketed for driving during the ban. I think they should automatically ticket every car that was abandoned on a bus route and let the owner explain why they were driving during the ban to determine if they have to pay the fine. People will not obey laws if there's no enforcement.\nPayloaders came down my street last night (Tuesday), so I was able to drive to ECMC to pick up my wife, but on my way there, a friend of mine texted me \"we're at the bar if you want to swing by\". Considering that the bartender had to drive in from Tonawanda, that bar should have been closed.",
">\n\nWonder how many people did it anyways in the name of “muh freedom” then ran to an already overworked emergency room when their stupidity backfired",
">\n\nEmergency Room? Nobody could get to the hospital and there were no ambulances",
">\n\nNewspapers had a combination of revenue. Income from subscribers and newsboxes proved their circulation which helped them sell ads. When people stopped paying for the paper they were also no longer eyeballs for the ads. And the fact that they paid to read in the first place contributes to the investment each party has in the advertiser, publication, readership relationship. \nBasic news reporting is worth every penny you pay, and even subscribing you should still look at every article critically for spin. Anyone who gives it to you free has an angle of their own.\nEdited to add: my parents subscribed to papers. I just read the headlines.",
">\n\nI worked at a small town paper with circulation about 30k (weekend) and we had about $12k daily revenue from classifieds ads that vaporized when craigslist came. Went from 10-14 pages of classifieds to half a page. Classifieds subsidized a lot of the paper.",
">\n\nYeah, competition for eyeballs went way way up in the digital age where investment costs are so so low compared to physical media overhead",
">\n\nIt's honestly really sad, that paper employed probably 100-150 ppl when i was there and now it does not exist on a local level.. there are some freelance reporters and photogs who submit stories but everything else is handled on a national level - there's a customer service call center, photo color correction is a central department for hundreds of papers, etc. They contract the press work to another larger paper and the delivery is handled by 1099 contractors. Local news barely exists anymore.",
">\n\nDriving ban? Where are the “my Freedumbs” people when you need them? This is unconstitutional! This is an overreach of government! Unbelievable! \n/s",
">\n\nAny good american would have taken out their AR15 and shot the blizzard..\n/s",
">\n\nI got DOWNVOTED for SARCASM!?! \nFuck you Reddit! lol :-)",
">\n\nTired of the \"muh freedumb\" constant complainers... I really feel bad for the common sense people of the area. Same people, \"why do weather forecasters always speak in sensationalism and hyperbole?\"",
">\n\nNo protests about government overreach?"
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"31 deaths is crazy… stay safe out there!",
">\n\nI'm in Ohio and had to be the bad guy to my in-laws by saying we weren't coming to Christmas Eve, then they called the next day and said it took them an hour to drive 10 minutes home from the dinner we skipped and how dangerous it was. \nSome people gotta touch an oven to see if it's hot when you tell them ¯\\ಠಠ_/¯",
">\n\nAlso in Ohio. Called out of work the day of the storm even though it was only a 15 min drive away. Roads were still not cleared fully 2 days later.",
">\n\nI called out on Friday, I do not like my job enough to risk my life for it, especially during the holiday rush.",
">\n\nDon't get me wrong. My job is great and it pays well. But money is money and it'll cost a lot more for my loved ones to arrange my funeral than it would for me to miss a day of work.",
">\n\nI’m in BC where we got hit pretty bad last week, and my ethos was, “I get paid less in a day than my car insurance deductible costs”",
">\n\nHaha I’m gonna remember this",
">\n\nEmergency services were turned off for 2 days during the storm. The city was completely inaccessible so if you get into an accident you're on your own. My street (a main street in the heart of the west side) had a snow drift as high a stoplight blocking all access. Down the way was an abandoned semitruck blocking the entire road as well as other abandoned cars sprinkled across the landscape completely buried in snow. Trees fallen everywhere too. The whole city was like this.\nI knew it was going to be bad but this one was BAD",
">\n\nYou’ve been hit hard twice and it’s only December. Do you think about moving? Just curious. I live in Maine but come from Rochester NY and I don’t think I could deal with that level of disaster anymore.",
">\n\nGrew up in Rochester as well, moved to Southern Louisiana to get away from the snow. In the 90's I got cuaght several times on the stretch of 90 between Buffalo and Erie and wasn't sure I'd make it home. The snow through there is crazy, I would just follow a semi at a distance and if he went off the road I knew to stop.",
">\n\ndriving around with Semi-traction can be a bit dangerous sometimes.",
">\n\nIf they've got a full load they do better than cars and have more experienced drivers so I follow them too. But with an empty trailer they're screwed in high winds. I was thinking of passing one in Chicago snowstorm but the back drifted just a bit so I slowed down and kept back. Sure enough a few minutes later a gust caught him and the trailer swung across a couple lanes and almost jackknifed. Driver did a great job of getting it straightened back out so kudos to him! That was a long ass stressful drive back home though. I was exhausted.",
">\n\nThis is why people would rush to the store to buy up things like eggs, bread, milk, butter, TP, paper towels, etc... Sure people always panic when it's just a little snow but overall, these types of storms are why.",
">\n\nAlso why it's good to have some canned/dried goods. I keep about 4-5 days worth of soups, canned goods, rice, ramen, clean it out every once in a while if it doesn't get used. It's not costly either, that stuff is fairly cheap. \nBut man, this is pretty crazy. I think the most I've ever been trapped (no driving ban, just felt safe to leave) was 3 days in 2010 for \"Snowmaggedon\", these poor folks are almost going on a week.",
">\n\nYou keep 4-5 days worth?... I feel like I may be a hoarder if 4-5 days is considered a good amount.",
">\n\n4-5 days worth of food is nothing. I live in Louisiana and that’s the bare minimum in my opinion.",
">\n\nI'm pretty sure we have a month's worth of food all combined. Lots of dried beans and rice too. For me, it's to be prepared, and because of the poverty I've experienced, where all my food was from the food bank.",
">\n\nThat's very smart. Dried beans and rice are heaven when you have ZERO access. People don't understand that. it's not about what you want to eat in a disaster, its about eating high caloric/protein meals and staying adequately 'full', or, at the very least, having enough food to have some energy output.",
">\n\nAnother thing is maintaining a more positive mental state. When you don't meet the daily nutritive threshold it can mess with your head. Bad thought loops are the last thing you need in a natural disaster.",
">\n\nThis is 100 why I keep 'mental health food' in my pantry. A chocolate bar. Liquid IVs. Canned fruit. Stuff I know will boost me when I'm low. It helped so much during Ida.",
">\n\nEvery business that stayed open and didn't give their employees the option to stay home should be prosecuted. These people would t have been out in this if it wasn't for fear of losing their jobs. It's disgusting.",
">\n\nToo bad our elected officials don't represent their constituents' interests. Or rather they consider the businesses their constuents, rather than the voters.",
">\n\n\nOr rather they consider the businesses their constituents, rather than the voters.\n\nConservatives make no secret at all about this, and their voters are very straightforward about valuing business owners over regular people.",
">\n\nIt's not just conservatives, sadly. Both parties represent corporations over human beings.",
">\n\nTrue, but conservatives have turned the \"small business owner\" into an identity that they leverage against anybody who might need any sort of govt protections; the narrative is always that JimBob's Tire Emporium will go under if he has to pay over $8/hour or offer insurance. They all see themselves as JimBob. It's a really good trick.\nDems are for sure corrupt and support a lot of corporate agenda items but they campaign on individual wage and debt issues and do actually pass legislation. They're less psychopathic.",
">\n\nAnd yet conservative's talk about small business that way, but vote every damn time to make sure that larger companies get advantages - and those small businesses fail.",
">\n\nSo do Dems. Follow the money, both parties are propped up by the foulest industries and that isn't even considering dark money and super PACS.",
">\n\nI do, but I also look at the voting records. We need to get more people to run under \"Working Families\"that arent just \"better than the worse\" of the democrats.",
">\n\nLowes doesn't care. Still forcing employees to come in",
">\n\nI recently learned from a former Lowe’s employee that they have some sort of agreement with the government to be considered essential so that people and emergency services can get generators and equipment from them",
">\n\njesus, that's a lot of fucking snow \nlooking at that i'm having a mild ptsd from the four straight days of shoveling/blowing last week here in northern WI",
">\n\nHi fellow Northwoods resident!\nThe blow snow is the worst part. Stupid snow drifts. \nAlthough. My subdivision went from an open field to a street full of houses this summer. So the drifting is down considerably.",
">\n\nWyoming enters the chat Someone talking about snowdrifts? The jackalopes have it tough this year.",
">\n\nJesus I saw that Cheyenne dropped 32 degrees in temp in 10 minutes. That is seriously insane weather.",
">\n\nIt was awesome! \nDay after tomorrow quotes for a week! \nWe never lost power so it was a win. What's funny is that it was around 25 this morning. Still wearing short sleeve shirts after the last frost. It was crazy! Hope y'all are safe.",
">\n\nOne wonders if there is a list of missing people and if so, how long the list is",
">\n\nI saw a fucked up video of people coming across someone frozen on the ground.",
">\n\nThat's cold asf",
">\n\nYeah both what they were saying and acting and the fact the person froze to death.",
">\n\nI once slept outside in 5 to 10 degree weather, I hope all the homeless got somewhere warm.",
">\n\n\"Poloncarz, a Democrat, called the blizzard \"the worst storm probably in our lifetime,\" even for an area known for heavy snow. More bodies are expected to be found as the snow is cleared or melts.\" \nWtf does their political affiliation have to do with anything? \n\"Jeff here, who loves cheese, was devastated when his wife was unable to be rescued from her car\".",
">\n\nPeople need to know if they should agree or disagree with the statement about the storm.",
">\n\nWhat?!? He’s a democrat? \nThat’s all I needed to hear to know that this definitely was NOT the worst storm in the city’s history, typical democrat fear mongering.\nTheres no more bodies to find, but I’m sure the democrats will claim they found more bodies just to justify more government spending. They’ll be counting people that died 3 weeks ago as storm deaths. They count bodies the same way they count votes for Biden. LGB!!\n/s",
">\n\nRemenber: whatever out there isn't worth your life",
">\n\nWell said, just chill at your home safely till the storm reduces",
">\n\nMany houses do not have power and people are trying to get to the safety of a community shelter.",
">\n\nThis is true as well",
">\n\nI’m in buffalo we had no power for 74 hours and needed gas to run a generator to stay warm, to survive you have to make choices. There wasn’t even 911 services for the entire city for days.",
">\n\nIt's insane to me they announced no emergency services. It was like 48 hours. All the bodegas near me on the west side got robbed, pretty crazy.",
">\n\nIt is insane, and public services have to warn people and risk the looting. The government is a construct that's a failure when its needed lately. It's not going to get any better either...",
">\n\nThis is not the time to play on the roads, so stay off them",
">\n\nKind of hard to do that if you live in your car.",
">\n\nmy hometown 💔 my sister is still snowed in and had to walk to wegmans to try and get supplies. i really wish i could help",
">\n\nDoesn't help homeless people who have no choice.",
">\n\nMeanwhile, Starbucks etc. demanding to know why employees aren't clocked in",
">\n\nI happened to have my plans messed up from the weather, so I was chillin solo on Xmas. I couldn’t believe my local Starbucks was open. Give em a day, Jeaz! No one is missing Starbucks that day.",
">\n\nRight?\nI mean, it's one thing to be open on a holiday in a busy travel area, especially if you have staff who celebrate other holidays -- but floods, shootings, blizzards, holidays (where it's not necessary or at not busy stores). Pretty sure there is something in the \"How to Be Corporate\" manual that demands stores be open in the most ridiculous situations without exception; in fact, that more ridiculous the more critical it is for the store to be fully staffed :/",
">\n\nFor the people looking in from outside the area, the people of WNY take pride in being able to survive storms with minimal disruption. And remember that we just got thru a monumental storm just before thanksgiving. But unless you are at least 55 yrs old you can’t really remember conditions like those of last week. It was on a whole different level and all the local weatherman warnings about it’s impending severity couldn’t convince a large number of the population. The fact that they hype up a normal lake effect snow storm every 10 days may have played a small part in people disregarding the warnings but that’s a whole other conversation.",
">\n\nThe size of the Low and the massive pressure gradient between it and the cold high behind it was absolutely nuts.",
">\n\n\"but you're still coming in for your shift, right?\" - management",
">\n\nThese managers and store owners should be prosecuted and go to jail.",
">\n\nI'm looking forward to the several lawsuits from employees over their bosses making them show up to work.",
">\n\nThe people at those jobs don't have the means to sue. And if they do the company will stretch it out requiring court appearances but the employee doesn't have that many sick and vacation days so they either show up and lose their job or give up. People can't go that long without work to fight back against the evil bastards. The only chance is a large class action or if the business gets enough bad publicity that they settle.",
">\n\nSo did folks stock up on supplies before this thing hit? If you can't drive you can't get to the grocery store or pharmacy.",
">\n\nThis is why they say you should have 2 weeks worth of non-perishable food at home at all times. Even if it's just soup or pasta. Because there will come a time when you're stuck for several days and everything is shut down. I know it sucks because so many are living paycheck to paycheck, but it's important to have that little stash of food (and medicine).",
">\n\nExactly. Everyone should have an emergency kit.",
">\n\nYou know how bad it is after you learn Buffalo is a place that is no stranger to snow, cold snaps and blizzards.",
">\n\nMy mum couldn’t understand why there have been so many deaths and as someone who’s only been following the situation from a distance I couldn’t really give her a confident answer. Are people dying from being caught in the blizzard outside? Are they trapped inside with no heating or supplies and succumbing to the cold? Is it primarily elderly people? Was this storm foreseen and were people warned to be prepared?",
">\n\nThe snow was so bad, people got stuck on the road. For over 24 hours there were NO emergency services available because ALL their vehicles were stuck. People froze to death or died from carbon monoxide b/c they ran their motors for heat.\nWe has sustained 75mph winds on Friday that immediately knock power out, and heat for those without gas. Water pipes broke. Fires. People became disoriented walking & just fell over & died. The snow was heavy, so shoveling caused heart attacks.\nNo one could prepare us for this. I have lived in the Buffalo area for 54 years. I have seen storms, but not like this.",
">\n\nWe have gas heat but it’s forced air so no power= no heat. (Luckily we only had power flicker a few times- houses down the street lost power). \nI said elsewhere- I’ve never been in a situation where we were told “no emergency services- you’re on your own”. Maybe it happened in ‘77 but I was 5 then and I honestly don’t remember the storm.",
">\n\nI was 9 in '77 so I don't remember a lot either. I was also in Chautauqua county then & like this storm, it wasn't as bad down there. \nI am in Southtowns now. I agree 100% that this is a storm like no other in my lifetime. First the 5+ feet of snow a couple weeks ago, now this.\nWe were lucky too. I am SO GLAD you survived!🙏 Too many sad stories that didn't need to happen, and on Christmas no less. Peace & Go Bills!",
">\n\nThis is exactly why I hate snow. I know it's fun to ski and make snowmen and have snow ball fights. It's when you have to clear the snow due to it hindering something or drive in it, deaths result.",
">\n\nNo hair, our skin hurts in low temps, Our noses dont work under low humidity. For all intents and purposes, humans aren't meant to live in the cold.",
">\n\nEmployers:”Walk your ass to work. I’ll see you when the snow dies down because I took vacation.”",
">\n\nSome of those dead must be chili's managers who blew a blood vessel screaming at min wage workers that this storm \" wasn't that bad\" and \" we are going to be crazy busy\"",
">\n\n\"Well yes, but can you still come in? We're short-staffed. Be a team player! It's only a bit of snow!\"",
">\n\nBiggest issue people don’t understand; when you “have to” go to a store or run an errand and you get into an accident, you call 911.\nThose first responders shouldn’t be dealing with you right now, they should be trying to rescue any trapped victims that might still be alive.\nStop being selfish, stay off the roads and if you actually need something, ask neighbors for help, pool your resources and become a better community while others are given a chance to survive.",
">\n\nEmergency services were turned off for 2 days during the storm. The city was completely inaccessible so if you get into an accident you're on your own. My street (a main street in the heart of the west side) had a snow drift as high a stoplight blocking all access. Down the way was an abandoned semitruck blocking the entire road as well as other abandoned cars sprinkled across the landscape. The whole city was like this.",
">\n\nStill there will be a lot of people who think the ban doesn't apply to them because they have to go see grandma.",
">\n\nOr they're homeless and don't have anywhere else to go",
">\n\nHopefully people stay off the roads, bc this is no time to play",
">\n\nI still don't know anyone personally who has been ticketed for driving during the ban. I think they should automatically ticket every car that was abandoned on a bus route and let the owner explain why they were driving during the ban to determine if they have to pay the fine. People will not obey laws if there's no enforcement.\nPayloaders came down my street last night (Tuesday), so I was able to drive to ECMC to pick up my wife, but on my way there, a friend of mine texted me \"we're at the bar if you want to swing by\". Considering that the bartender had to drive in from Tonawanda, that bar should have been closed.",
">\n\nWonder how many people did it anyways in the name of “muh freedom” then ran to an already overworked emergency room when their stupidity backfired",
">\n\nEmergency Room? Nobody could get to the hospital and there were no ambulances",
">\n\nNewspapers had a combination of revenue. Income from subscribers and newsboxes proved their circulation which helped them sell ads. When people stopped paying for the paper they were also no longer eyeballs for the ads. And the fact that they paid to read in the first place contributes to the investment each party has in the advertiser, publication, readership relationship. \nBasic news reporting is worth every penny you pay, and even subscribing you should still look at every article critically for spin. Anyone who gives it to you free has an angle of their own.\nEdited to add: my parents subscribed to papers. I just read the headlines.",
">\n\nI worked at a small town paper with circulation about 30k (weekend) and we had about $12k daily revenue from classifieds ads that vaporized when craigslist came. Went from 10-14 pages of classifieds to half a page. Classifieds subsidized a lot of the paper.",
">\n\nYeah, competition for eyeballs went way way up in the digital age where investment costs are so so low compared to physical media overhead",
">\n\nIt's honestly really sad, that paper employed probably 100-150 ppl when i was there and now it does not exist on a local level.. there are some freelance reporters and photogs who submit stories but everything else is handled on a national level - there's a customer service call center, photo color correction is a central department for hundreds of papers, etc. They contract the press work to another larger paper and the delivery is handled by 1099 contractors. Local news barely exists anymore.",
">\n\nDriving ban? Where are the “my Freedumbs” people when you need them? This is unconstitutional! This is an overreach of government! Unbelievable! \n/s",
">\n\nAny good american would have taken out their AR15 and shot the blizzard..\n/s",
">\n\nI got DOWNVOTED for SARCASM!?! \nFuck you Reddit! lol :-)",
">\n\nTired of the \"muh freedumb\" constant complainers... I really feel bad for the common sense people of the area. Same people, \"why do weather forecasters always speak in sensationalism and hyperbole?\"",
">\n\nNo protests about government overreach?",
">\n\nIsn't it about to be warm again. Wondr8ng how much of this snow will melt with a few days above freezing and rain"
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There are homes still without power, and people have died waiting for emergency personnel, but if you try to travel to a warm home or a hospital yourself, they'll sic the cops on you.
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"31 deaths is crazy… stay safe out there!",
">\n\nI'm in Ohio and had to be the bad guy to my in-laws by saying we weren't coming to Christmas Eve, then they called the next day and said it took them an hour to drive 10 minutes home from the dinner we skipped and how dangerous it was. \nSome people gotta touch an oven to see if it's hot when you tell them ¯\\ಠಠ_/¯",
">\n\nAlso in Ohio. Called out of work the day of the storm even though it was only a 15 min drive away. Roads were still not cleared fully 2 days later.",
">\n\nI called out on Friday, I do not like my job enough to risk my life for it, especially during the holiday rush.",
">\n\nDon't get me wrong. My job is great and it pays well. But money is money and it'll cost a lot more for my loved ones to arrange my funeral than it would for me to miss a day of work.",
">\n\nI’m in BC where we got hit pretty bad last week, and my ethos was, “I get paid less in a day than my car insurance deductible costs”",
">\n\nHaha I’m gonna remember this",
">\n\nEmergency services were turned off for 2 days during the storm. The city was completely inaccessible so if you get into an accident you're on your own. My street (a main street in the heart of the west side) had a snow drift as high a stoplight blocking all access. Down the way was an abandoned semitruck blocking the entire road as well as other abandoned cars sprinkled across the landscape completely buried in snow. Trees fallen everywhere too. The whole city was like this.\nI knew it was going to be bad but this one was BAD",
">\n\nYou’ve been hit hard twice and it’s only December. Do you think about moving? Just curious. I live in Maine but come from Rochester NY and I don’t think I could deal with that level of disaster anymore.",
">\n\nGrew up in Rochester as well, moved to Southern Louisiana to get away from the snow. In the 90's I got cuaght several times on the stretch of 90 between Buffalo and Erie and wasn't sure I'd make it home. The snow through there is crazy, I would just follow a semi at a distance and if he went off the road I knew to stop.",
">\n\ndriving around with Semi-traction can be a bit dangerous sometimes.",
">\n\nIf they've got a full load they do better than cars and have more experienced drivers so I follow them too. But with an empty trailer they're screwed in high winds. I was thinking of passing one in Chicago snowstorm but the back drifted just a bit so I slowed down and kept back. Sure enough a few minutes later a gust caught him and the trailer swung across a couple lanes and almost jackknifed. Driver did a great job of getting it straightened back out so kudos to him! That was a long ass stressful drive back home though. I was exhausted.",
">\n\nThis is why people would rush to the store to buy up things like eggs, bread, milk, butter, TP, paper towels, etc... Sure people always panic when it's just a little snow but overall, these types of storms are why.",
">\n\nAlso why it's good to have some canned/dried goods. I keep about 4-5 days worth of soups, canned goods, rice, ramen, clean it out every once in a while if it doesn't get used. It's not costly either, that stuff is fairly cheap. \nBut man, this is pretty crazy. I think the most I've ever been trapped (no driving ban, just felt safe to leave) was 3 days in 2010 for \"Snowmaggedon\", these poor folks are almost going on a week.",
">\n\nYou keep 4-5 days worth?... I feel like I may be a hoarder if 4-5 days is considered a good amount.",
">\n\n4-5 days worth of food is nothing. I live in Louisiana and that’s the bare minimum in my opinion.",
">\n\nI'm pretty sure we have a month's worth of food all combined. Lots of dried beans and rice too. For me, it's to be prepared, and because of the poverty I've experienced, where all my food was from the food bank.",
">\n\nThat's very smart. Dried beans and rice are heaven when you have ZERO access. People don't understand that. it's not about what you want to eat in a disaster, its about eating high caloric/protein meals and staying adequately 'full', or, at the very least, having enough food to have some energy output.",
">\n\nAnother thing is maintaining a more positive mental state. When you don't meet the daily nutritive threshold it can mess with your head. Bad thought loops are the last thing you need in a natural disaster.",
">\n\nThis is 100 why I keep 'mental health food' in my pantry. A chocolate bar. Liquid IVs. Canned fruit. Stuff I know will boost me when I'm low. It helped so much during Ida.",
">\n\nEvery business that stayed open and didn't give their employees the option to stay home should be prosecuted. These people would t have been out in this if it wasn't for fear of losing their jobs. It's disgusting.",
">\n\nToo bad our elected officials don't represent their constituents' interests. Or rather they consider the businesses their constuents, rather than the voters.",
">\n\n\nOr rather they consider the businesses their constituents, rather than the voters.\n\nConservatives make no secret at all about this, and their voters are very straightforward about valuing business owners over regular people.",
">\n\nIt's not just conservatives, sadly. Both parties represent corporations over human beings.",
">\n\nTrue, but conservatives have turned the \"small business owner\" into an identity that they leverage against anybody who might need any sort of govt protections; the narrative is always that JimBob's Tire Emporium will go under if he has to pay over $8/hour or offer insurance. They all see themselves as JimBob. It's a really good trick.\nDems are for sure corrupt and support a lot of corporate agenda items but they campaign on individual wage and debt issues and do actually pass legislation. They're less psychopathic.",
">\n\nAnd yet conservative's talk about small business that way, but vote every damn time to make sure that larger companies get advantages - and those small businesses fail.",
">\n\nSo do Dems. Follow the money, both parties are propped up by the foulest industries and that isn't even considering dark money and super PACS.",
">\n\nI do, but I also look at the voting records. We need to get more people to run under \"Working Families\"that arent just \"better than the worse\" of the democrats.",
">\n\nLowes doesn't care. Still forcing employees to come in",
">\n\nI recently learned from a former Lowe’s employee that they have some sort of agreement with the government to be considered essential so that people and emergency services can get generators and equipment from them",
">\n\njesus, that's a lot of fucking snow \nlooking at that i'm having a mild ptsd from the four straight days of shoveling/blowing last week here in northern WI",
">\n\nHi fellow Northwoods resident!\nThe blow snow is the worst part. Stupid snow drifts. \nAlthough. My subdivision went from an open field to a street full of houses this summer. So the drifting is down considerably.",
">\n\nWyoming enters the chat Someone talking about snowdrifts? The jackalopes have it tough this year.",
">\n\nJesus I saw that Cheyenne dropped 32 degrees in temp in 10 minutes. That is seriously insane weather.",
">\n\nIt was awesome! \nDay after tomorrow quotes for a week! \nWe never lost power so it was a win. What's funny is that it was around 25 this morning. Still wearing short sleeve shirts after the last frost. It was crazy! Hope y'all are safe.",
">\n\nOne wonders if there is a list of missing people and if so, how long the list is",
">\n\nI saw a fucked up video of people coming across someone frozen on the ground.",
">\n\nThat's cold asf",
">\n\nYeah both what they were saying and acting and the fact the person froze to death.",
">\n\nI once slept outside in 5 to 10 degree weather, I hope all the homeless got somewhere warm.",
">\n\n\"Poloncarz, a Democrat, called the blizzard \"the worst storm probably in our lifetime,\" even for an area known for heavy snow. More bodies are expected to be found as the snow is cleared or melts.\" \nWtf does their political affiliation have to do with anything? \n\"Jeff here, who loves cheese, was devastated when his wife was unable to be rescued from her car\".",
">\n\nPeople need to know if they should agree or disagree with the statement about the storm.",
">\n\nWhat?!? He’s a democrat? \nThat’s all I needed to hear to know that this definitely was NOT the worst storm in the city’s history, typical democrat fear mongering.\nTheres no more bodies to find, but I’m sure the democrats will claim they found more bodies just to justify more government spending. They’ll be counting people that died 3 weeks ago as storm deaths. They count bodies the same way they count votes for Biden. LGB!!\n/s",
">\n\nRemenber: whatever out there isn't worth your life",
">\n\nWell said, just chill at your home safely till the storm reduces",
">\n\nMany houses do not have power and people are trying to get to the safety of a community shelter.",
">\n\nThis is true as well",
">\n\nI’m in buffalo we had no power for 74 hours and needed gas to run a generator to stay warm, to survive you have to make choices. There wasn’t even 911 services for the entire city for days.",
">\n\nIt's insane to me they announced no emergency services. It was like 48 hours. All the bodegas near me on the west side got robbed, pretty crazy.",
">\n\nIt is insane, and public services have to warn people and risk the looting. The government is a construct that's a failure when its needed lately. It's not going to get any better either...",
">\n\nThis is not the time to play on the roads, so stay off them",
">\n\nKind of hard to do that if you live in your car.",
">\n\nmy hometown 💔 my sister is still snowed in and had to walk to wegmans to try and get supplies. i really wish i could help",
">\n\nDoesn't help homeless people who have no choice.",
">\n\nMeanwhile, Starbucks etc. demanding to know why employees aren't clocked in",
">\n\nI happened to have my plans messed up from the weather, so I was chillin solo on Xmas. I couldn’t believe my local Starbucks was open. Give em a day, Jeaz! No one is missing Starbucks that day.",
">\n\nRight?\nI mean, it's one thing to be open on a holiday in a busy travel area, especially if you have staff who celebrate other holidays -- but floods, shootings, blizzards, holidays (where it's not necessary or at not busy stores). Pretty sure there is something in the \"How to Be Corporate\" manual that demands stores be open in the most ridiculous situations without exception; in fact, that more ridiculous the more critical it is for the store to be fully staffed :/",
">\n\nFor the people looking in from outside the area, the people of WNY take pride in being able to survive storms with minimal disruption. And remember that we just got thru a monumental storm just before thanksgiving. But unless you are at least 55 yrs old you can’t really remember conditions like those of last week. It was on a whole different level and all the local weatherman warnings about it’s impending severity couldn’t convince a large number of the population. The fact that they hype up a normal lake effect snow storm every 10 days may have played a small part in people disregarding the warnings but that’s a whole other conversation.",
">\n\nThe size of the Low and the massive pressure gradient between it and the cold high behind it was absolutely nuts.",
">\n\n\"but you're still coming in for your shift, right?\" - management",
">\n\nThese managers and store owners should be prosecuted and go to jail.",
">\n\nI'm looking forward to the several lawsuits from employees over their bosses making them show up to work.",
">\n\nThe people at those jobs don't have the means to sue. And if they do the company will stretch it out requiring court appearances but the employee doesn't have that many sick and vacation days so they either show up and lose their job or give up. People can't go that long without work to fight back against the evil bastards. The only chance is a large class action or if the business gets enough bad publicity that they settle.",
">\n\nSo did folks stock up on supplies before this thing hit? If you can't drive you can't get to the grocery store or pharmacy.",
">\n\nThis is why they say you should have 2 weeks worth of non-perishable food at home at all times. Even if it's just soup or pasta. Because there will come a time when you're stuck for several days and everything is shut down. I know it sucks because so many are living paycheck to paycheck, but it's important to have that little stash of food (and medicine).",
">\n\nExactly. Everyone should have an emergency kit.",
">\n\nYou know how bad it is after you learn Buffalo is a place that is no stranger to snow, cold snaps and blizzards.",
">\n\nMy mum couldn’t understand why there have been so many deaths and as someone who’s only been following the situation from a distance I couldn’t really give her a confident answer. Are people dying from being caught in the blizzard outside? Are they trapped inside with no heating or supplies and succumbing to the cold? Is it primarily elderly people? Was this storm foreseen and were people warned to be prepared?",
">\n\nThe snow was so bad, people got stuck on the road. For over 24 hours there were NO emergency services available because ALL their vehicles were stuck. People froze to death or died from carbon monoxide b/c they ran their motors for heat.\nWe has sustained 75mph winds on Friday that immediately knock power out, and heat for those without gas. Water pipes broke. Fires. People became disoriented walking & just fell over & died. The snow was heavy, so shoveling caused heart attacks.\nNo one could prepare us for this. I have lived in the Buffalo area for 54 years. I have seen storms, but not like this.",
">\n\nWe have gas heat but it’s forced air so no power= no heat. (Luckily we only had power flicker a few times- houses down the street lost power). \nI said elsewhere- I’ve never been in a situation where we were told “no emergency services- you’re on your own”. Maybe it happened in ‘77 but I was 5 then and I honestly don’t remember the storm.",
">\n\nI was 9 in '77 so I don't remember a lot either. I was also in Chautauqua county then & like this storm, it wasn't as bad down there. \nI am in Southtowns now. I agree 100% that this is a storm like no other in my lifetime. First the 5+ feet of snow a couple weeks ago, now this.\nWe were lucky too. I am SO GLAD you survived!🙏 Too many sad stories that didn't need to happen, and on Christmas no less. Peace & Go Bills!",
">\n\nThis is exactly why I hate snow. I know it's fun to ski and make snowmen and have snow ball fights. It's when you have to clear the snow due to it hindering something or drive in it, deaths result.",
">\n\nNo hair, our skin hurts in low temps, Our noses dont work under low humidity. For all intents and purposes, humans aren't meant to live in the cold.",
">\n\nEmployers:”Walk your ass to work. I’ll see you when the snow dies down because I took vacation.”",
">\n\nSome of those dead must be chili's managers who blew a blood vessel screaming at min wage workers that this storm \" wasn't that bad\" and \" we are going to be crazy busy\"",
">\n\n\"Well yes, but can you still come in? We're short-staffed. Be a team player! It's only a bit of snow!\"",
">\n\nBiggest issue people don’t understand; when you “have to” go to a store or run an errand and you get into an accident, you call 911.\nThose first responders shouldn’t be dealing with you right now, they should be trying to rescue any trapped victims that might still be alive.\nStop being selfish, stay off the roads and if you actually need something, ask neighbors for help, pool your resources and become a better community while others are given a chance to survive.",
">\n\nEmergency services were turned off for 2 days during the storm. The city was completely inaccessible so if you get into an accident you're on your own. My street (a main street in the heart of the west side) had a snow drift as high a stoplight blocking all access. Down the way was an abandoned semitruck blocking the entire road as well as other abandoned cars sprinkled across the landscape. The whole city was like this.",
">\n\nStill there will be a lot of people who think the ban doesn't apply to them because they have to go see grandma.",
">\n\nOr they're homeless and don't have anywhere else to go",
">\n\nHopefully people stay off the roads, bc this is no time to play",
">\n\nI still don't know anyone personally who has been ticketed for driving during the ban. I think they should automatically ticket every car that was abandoned on a bus route and let the owner explain why they were driving during the ban to determine if they have to pay the fine. People will not obey laws if there's no enforcement.\nPayloaders came down my street last night (Tuesday), so I was able to drive to ECMC to pick up my wife, but on my way there, a friend of mine texted me \"we're at the bar if you want to swing by\". Considering that the bartender had to drive in from Tonawanda, that bar should have been closed.",
">\n\nWonder how many people did it anyways in the name of “muh freedom” then ran to an already overworked emergency room when their stupidity backfired",
">\n\nEmergency Room? Nobody could get to the hospital and there were no ambulances",
">\n\nNewspapers had a combination of revenue. Income from subscribers and newsboxes proved their circulation which helped them sell ads. When people stopped paying for the paper they were also no longer eyeballs for the ads. And the fact that they paid to read in the first place contributes to the investment each party has in the advertiser, publication, readership relationship. \nBasic news reporting is worth every penny you pay, and even subscribing you should still look at every article critically for spin. Anyone who gives it to you free has an angle of their own.\nEdited to add: my parents subscribed to papers. I just read the headlines.",
">\n\nI worked at a small town paper with circulation about 30k (weekend) and we had about $12k daily revenue from classifieds ads that vaporized when craigslist came. Went from 10-14 pages of classifieds to half a page. Classifieds subsidized a lot of the paper.",
">\n\nYeah, competition for eyeballs went way way up in the digital age where investment costs are so so low compared to physical media overhead",
">\n\nIt's honestly really sad, that paper employed probably 100-150 ppl when i was there and now it does not exist on a local level.. there are some freelance reporters and photogs who submit stories but everything else is handled on a national level - there's a customer service call center, photo color correction is a central department for hundreds of papers, etc. They contract the press work to another larger paper and the delivery is handled by 1099 contractors. Local news barely exists anymore.",
">\n\nDriving ban? Where are the “my Freedumbs” people when you need them? This is unconstitutional! This is an overreach of government! Unbelievable! \n/s",
">\n\nAny good american would have taken out their AR15 and shot the blizzard..\n/s",
">\n\nI got DOWNVOTED for SARCASM!?! \nFuck you Reddit! lol :-)",
">\n\nTired of the \"muh freedumb\" constant complainers... I really feel bad for the common sense people of the area. Same people, \"why do weather forecasters always speak in sensationalism and hyperbole?\"",
">\n\nNo protests about government overreach?",
">\n\nIsn't it about to be warm again. Wondr8ng how much of this snow will melt with a few days above freezing and rain",
">\n\nThey’re already trying to warn people who live in known flooding areas."
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how did they die? stuck in their cars?
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"31 deaths is crazy… stay safe out there!",
">\n\nI'm in Ohio and had to be the bad guy to my in-laws by saying we weren't coming to Christmas Eve, then they called the next day and said it took them an hour to drive 10 minutes home from the dinner we skipped and how dangerous it was. \nSome people gotta touch an oven to see if it's hot when you tell them ¯\\ಠಠ_/¯",
">\n\nAlso in Ohio. Called out of work the day of the storm even though it was only a 15 min drive away. Roads were still not cleared fully 2 days later.",
">\n\nI called out on Friday, I do not like my job enough to risk my life for it, especially during the holiday rush.",
">\n\nDon't get me wrong. My job is great and it pays well. But money is money and it'll cost a lot more for my loved ones to arrange my funeral than it would for me to miss a day of work.",
">\n\nI’m in BC where we got hit pretty bad last week, and my ethos was, “I get paid less in a day than my car insurance deductible costs”",
">\n\nHaha I’m gonna remember this",
">\n\nEmergency services were turned off for 2 days during the storm. The city was completely inaccessible so if you get into an accident you're on your own. My street (a main street in the heart of the west side) had a snow drift as high a stoplight blocking all access. Down the way was an abandoned semitruck blocking the entire road as well as other abandoned cars sprinkled across the landscape completely buried in snow. Trees fallen everywhere too. The whole city was like this.\nI knew it was going to be bad but this one was BAD",
">\n\nYou’ve been hit hard twice and it’s only December. Do you think about moving? Just curious. I live in Maine but come from Rochester NY and I don’t think I could deal with that level of disaster anymore.",
">\n\nGrew up in Rochester as well, moved to Southern Louisiana to get away from the snow. In the 90's I got cuaght several times on the stretch of 90 between Buffalo and Erie and wasn't sure I'd make it home. The snow through there is crazy, I would just follow a semi at a distance and if he went off the road I knew to stop.",
">\n\ndriving around with Semi-traction can be a bit dangerous sometimes.",
">\n\nIf they've got a full load they do better than cars and have more experienced drivers so I follow them too. But with an empty trailer they're screwed in high winds. I was thinking of passing one in Chicago snowstorm but the back drifted just a bit so I slowed down and kept back. Sure enough a few minutes later a gust caught him and the trailer swung across a couple lanes and almost jackknifed. Driver did a great job of getting it straightened back out so kudos to him! That was a long ass stressful drive back home though. I was exhausted.",
">\n\nThis is why people would rush to the store to buy up things like eggs, bread, milk, butter, TP, paper towels, etc... Sure people always panic when it's just a little snow but overall, these types of storms are why.",
">\n\nAlso why it's good to have some canned/dried goods. I keep about 4-5 days worth of soups, canned goods, rice, ramen, clean it out every once in a while if it doesn't get used. It's not costly either, that stuff is fairly cheap. \nBut man, this is pretty crazy. I think the most I've ever been trapped (no driving ban, just felt safe to leave) was 3 days in 2010 for \"Snowmaggedon\", these poor folks are almost going on a week.",
">\n\nYou keep 4-5 days worth?... I feel like I may be a hoarder if 4-5 days is considered a good amount.",
">\n\n4-5 days worth of food is nothing. I live in Louisiana and that’s the bare minimum in my opinion.",
">\n\nI'm pretty sure we have a month's worth of food all combined. Lots of dried beans and rice too. For me, it's to be prepared, and because of the poverty I've experienced, where all my food was from the food bank.",
">\n\nThat's very smart. Dried beans and rice are heaven when you have ZERO access. People don't understand that. it's not about what you want to eat in a disaster, its about eating high caloric/protein meals and staying adequately 'full', or, at the very least, having enough food to have some energy output.",
">\n\nAnother thing is maintaining a more positive mental state. When you don't meet the daily nutritive threshold it can mess with your head. Bad thought loops are the last thing you need in a natural disaster.",
">\n\nThis is 100 why I keep 'mental health food' in my pantry. A chocolate bar. Liquid IVs. Canned fruit. Stuff I know will boost me when I'm low. It helped so much during Ida.",
">\n\nEvery business that stayed open and didn't give their employees the option to stay home should be prosecuted. These people would t have been out in this if it wasn't for fear of losing their jobs. It's disgusting.",
">\n\nToo bad our elected officials don't represent their constituents' interests. Or rather they consider the businesses their constuents, rather than the voters.",
">\n\n\nOr rather they consider the businesses their constituents, rather than the voters.\n\nConservatives make no secret at all about this, and their voters are very straightforward about valuing business owners over regular people.",
">\n\nIt's not just conservatives, sadly. Both parties represent corporations over human beings.",
">\n\nTrue, but conservatives have turned the \"small business owner\" into an identity that they leverage against anybody who might need any sort of govt protections; the narrative is always that JimBob's Tire Emporium will go under if he has to pay over $8/hour or offer insurance. They all see themselves as JimBob. It's a really good trick.\nDems are for sure corrupt and support a lot of corporate agenda items but they campaign on individual wage and debt issues and do actually pass legislation. They're less psychopathic.",
">\n\nAnd yet conservative's talk about small business that way, but vote every damn time to make sure that larger companies get advantages - and those small businesses fail.",
">\n\nSo do Dems. Follow the money, both parties are propped up by the foulest industries and that isn't even considering dark money and super PACS.",
">\n\nI do, but I also look at the voting records. We need to get more people to run under \"Working Families\"that arent just \"better than the worse\" of the democrats.",
">\n\nLowes doesn't care. Still forcing employees to come in",
">\n\nI recently learned from a former Lowe’s employee that they have some sort of agreement with the government to be considered essential so that people and emergency services can get generators and equipment from them",
">\n\njesus, that's a lot of fucking snow \nlooking at that i'm having a mild ptsd from the four straight days of shoveling/blowing last week here in northern WI",
">\n\nHi fellow Northwoods resident!\nThe blow snow is the worst part. Stupid snow drifts. \nAlthough. My subdivision went from an open field to a street full of houses this summer. So the drifting is down considerably.",
">\n\nWyoming enters the chat Someone talking about snowdrifts? The jackalopes have it tough this year.",
">\n\nJesus I saw that Cheyenne dropped 32 degrees in temp in 10 minutes. That is seriously insane weather.",
">\n\nIt was awesome! \nDay after tomorrow quotes for a week! \nWe never lost power so it was a win. What's funny is that it was around 25 this morning. Still wearing short sleeve shirts after the last frost. It was crazy! Hope y'all are safe.",
">\n\nOne wonders if there is a list of missing people and if so, how long the list is",
">\n\nI saw a fucked up video of people coming across someone frozen on the ground.",
">\n\nThat's cold asf",
">\n\nYeah both what they were saying and acting and the fact the person froze to death.",
">\n\nI once slept outside in 5 to 10 degree weather, I hope all the homeless got somewhere warm.",
">\n\n\"Poloncarz, a Democrat, called the blizzard \"the worst storm probably in our lifetime,\" even for an area known for heavy snow. More bodies are expected to be found as the snow is cleared or melts.\" \nWtf does their political affiliation have to do with anything? \n\"Jeff here, who loves cheese, was devastated when his wife was unable to be rescued from her car\".",
">\n\nPeople need to know if they should agree or disagree with the statement about the storm.",
">\n\nWhat?!? He’s a democrat? \nThat’s all I needed to hear to know that this definitely was NOT the worst storm in the city’s history, typical democrat fear mongering.\nTheres no more bodies to find, but I’m sure the democrats will claim they found more bodies just to justify more government spending. They’ll be counting people that died 3 weeks ago as storm deaths. They count bodies the same way they count votes for Biden. LGB!!\n/s",
">\n\nRemenber: whatever out there isn't worth your life",
">\n\nWell said, just chill at your home safely till the storm reduces",
">\n\nMany houses do not have power and people are trying to get to the safety of a community shelter.",
">\n\nThis is true as well",
">\n\nI’m in buffalo we had no power for 74 hours and needed gas to run a generator to stay warm, to survive you have to make choices. There wasn’t even 911 services for the entire city for days.",
">\n\nIt's insane to me they announced no emergency services. It was like 48 hours. All the bodegas near me on the west side got robbed, pretty crazy.",
">\n\nIt is insane, and public services have to warn people and risk the looting. The government is a construct that's a failure when its needed lately. It's not going to get any better either...",
">\n\nThis is not the time to play on the roads, so stay off them",
">\n\nKind of hard to do that if you live in your car.",
">\n\nmy hometown 💔 my sister is still snowed in and had to walk to wegmans to try and get supplies. i really wish i could help",
">\n\nDoesn't help homeless people who have no choice.",
">\n\nMeanwhile, Starbucks etc. demanding to know why employees aren't clocked in",
">\n\nI happened to have my plans messed up from the weather, so I was chillin solo on Xmas. I couldn’t believe my local Starbucks was open. Give em a day, Jeaz! No one is missing Starbucks that day.",
">\n\nRight?\nI mean, it's one thing to be open on a holiday in a busy travel area, especially if you have staff who celebrate other holidays -- but floods, shootings, blizzards, holidays (where it's not necessary or at not busy stores). Pretty sure there is something in the \"How to Be Corporate\" manual that demands stores be open in the most ridiculous situations without exception; in fact, that more ridiculous the more critical it is for the store to be fully staffed :/",
">\n\nFor the people looking in from outside the area, the people of WNY take pride in being able to survive storms with minimal disruption. And remember that we just got thru a monumental storm just before thanksgiving. But unless you are at least 55 yrs old you can’t really remember conditions like those of last week. It was on a whole different level and all the local weatherman warnings about it’s impending severity couldn’t convince a large number of the population. The fact that they hype up a normal lake effect snow storm every 10 days may have played a small part in people disregarding the warnings but that’s a whole other conversation.",
">\n\nThe size of the Low and the massive pressure gradient between it and the cold high behind it was absolutely nuts.",
">\n\n\"but you're still coming in for your shift, right?\" - management",
">\n\nThese managers and store owners should be prosecuted and go to jail.",
">\n\nI'm looking forward to the several lawsuits from employees over their bosses making them show up to work.",
">\n\nThe people at those jobs don't have the means to sue. And if they do the company will stretch it out requiring court appearances but the employee doesn't have that many sick and vacation days so they either show up and lose their job or give up. People can't go that long without work to fight back against the evil bastards. The only chance is a large class action or if the business gets enough bad publicity that they settle.",
">\n\nSo did folks stock up on supplies before this thing hit? If you can't drive you can't get to the grocery store or pharmacy.",
">\n\nThis is why they say you should have 2 weeks worth of non-perishable food at home at all times. Even if it's just soup or pasta. Because there will come a time when you're stuck for several days and everything is shut down. I know it sucks because so many are living paycheck to paycheck, but it's important to have that little stash of food (and medicine).",
">\n\nExactly. Everyone should have an emergency kit.",
">\n\nYou know how bad it is after you learn Buffalo is a place that is no stranger to snow, cold snaps and blizzards.",
">\n\nMy mum couldn’t understand why there have been so many deaths and as someone who’s only been following the situation from a distance I couldn’t really give her a confident answer. Are people dying from being caught in the blizzard outside? Are they trapped inside with no heating or supplies and succumbing to the cold? Is it primarily elderly people? Was this storm foreseen and were people warned to be prepared?",
">\n\nThe snow was so bad, people got stuck on the road. For over 24 hours there were NO emergency services available because ALL their vehicles were stuck. People froze to death or died from carbon monoxide b/c they ran their motors for heat.\nWe has sustained 75mph winds on Friday that immediately knock power out, and heat for those without gas. Water pipes broke. Fires. People became disoriented walking & just fell over & died. The snow was heavy, so shoveling caused heart attacks.\nNo one could prepare us for this. I have lived in the Buffalo area for 54 years. I have seen storms, but not like this.",
">\n\nWe have gas heat but it’s forced air so no power= no heat. (Luckily we only had power flicker a few times- houses down the street lost power). \nI said elsewhere- I’ve never been in a situation where we were told “no emergency services- you’re on your own”. Maybe it happened in ‘77 but I was 5 then and I honestly don’t remember the storm.",
">\n\nI was 9 in '77 so I don't remember a lot either. I was also in Chautauqua county then & like this storm, it wasn't as bad down there. \nI am in Southtowns now. I agree 100% that this is a storm like no other in my lifetime. First the 5+ feet of snow a couple weeks ago, now this.\nWe were lucky too. I am SO GLAD you survived!🙏 Too many sad stories that didn't need to happen, and on Christmas no less. Peace & Go Bills!",
">\n\nThis is exactly why I hate snow. I know it's fun to ski and make snowmen and have snow ball fights. It's when you have to clear the snow due to it hindering something or drive in it, deaths result.",
">\n\nNo hair, our skin hurts in low temps, Our noses dont work under low humidity. For all intents and purposes, humans aren't meant to live in the cold.",
">\n\nEmployers:”Walk your ass to work. I’ll see you when the snow dies down because I took vacation.”",
">\n\nSome of those dead must be chili's managers who blew a blood vessel screaming at min wage workers that this storm \" wasn't that bad\" and \" we are going to be crazy busy\"",
">\n\n\"Well yes, but can you still come in? We're short-staffed. Be a team player! It's only a bit of snow!\"",
">\n\nBiggest issue people don’t understand; when you “have to” go to a store or run an errand and you get into an accident, you call 911.\nThose first responders shouldn’t be dealing with you right now, they should be trying to rescue any trapped victims that might still be alive.\nStop being selfish, stay off the roads and if you actually need something, ask neighbors for help, pool your resources and become a better community while others are given a chance to survive.",
">\n\nEmergency services were turned off for 2 days during the storm. The city was completely inaccessible so if you get into an accident you're on your own. My street (a main street in the heart of the west side) had a snow drift as high a stoplight blocking all access. Down the way was an abandoned semitruck blocking the entire road as well as other abandoned cars sprinkled across the landscape. The whole city was like this.",
">\n\nStill there will be a lot of people who think the ban doesn't apply to them because they have to go see grandma.",
">\n\nOr they're homeless and don't have anywhere else to go",
">\n\nHopefully people stay off the roads, bc this is no time to play",
">\n\nI still don't know anyone personally who has been ticketed for driving during the ban. I think they should automatically ticket every car that was abandoned on a bus route and let the owner explain why they were driving during the ban to determine if they have to pay the fine. People will not obey laws if there's no enforcement.\nPayloaders came down my street last night (Tuesday), so I was able to drive to ECMC to pick up my wife, but on my way there, a friend of mine texted me \"we're at the bar if you want to swing by\". Considering that the bartender had to drive in from Tonawanda, that bar should have been closed.",
">\n\nWonder how many people did it anyways in the name of “muh freedom” then ran to an already overworked emergency room when their stupidity backfired",
">\n\nEmergency Room? Nobody could get to the hospital and there were no ambulances",
">\n\nNewspapers had a combination of revenue. Income from subscribers and newsboxes proved their circulation which helped them sell ads. When people stopped paying for the paper they were also no longer eyeballs for the ads. And the fact that they paid to read in the first place contributes to the investment each party has in the advertiser, publication, readership relationship. \nBasic news reporting is worth every penny you pay, and even subscribing you should still look at every article critically for spin. Anyone who gives it to you free has an angle of their own.\nEdited to add: my parents subscribed to papers. I just read the headlines.",
">\n\nI worked at a small town paper with circulation about 30k (weekend) and we had about $12k daily revenue from classifieds ads that vaporized when craigslist came. Went from 10-14 pages of classifieds to half a page. Classifieds subsidized a lot of the paper.",
">\n\nYeah, competition for eyeballs went way way up in the digital age where investment costs are so so low compared to physical media overhead",
">\n\nIt's honestly really sad, that paper employed probably 100-150 ppl when i was there and now it does not exist on a local level.. there are some freelance reporters and photogs who submit stories but everything else is handled on a national level - there's a customer service call center, photo color correction is a central department for hundreds of papers, etc. They contract the press work to another larger paper and the delivery is handled by 1099 contractors. Local news barely exists anymore.",
">\n\nDriving ban? Where are the “my Freedumbs” people when you need them? This is unconstitutional! This is an overreach of government! Unbelievable! \n/s",
">\n\nAny good american would have taken out their AR15 and shot the blizzard..\n/s",
">\n\nI got DOWNVOTED for SARCASM!?! \nFuck you Reddit! lol :-)",
">\n\nTired of the \"muh freedumb\" constant complainers... I really feel bad for the common sense people of the area. Same people, \"why do weather forecasters always speak in sensationalism and hyperbole?\"",
">\n\nNo protests about government overreach?",
">\n\nIsn't it about to be warm again. Wondr8ng how much of this snow will melt with a few days above freezing and rain",
">\n\nThey’re already trying to warn people who live in known flooding areas.",
">\n\nThere are homes still without power, and people have died waiting for emergency personnel, but if you try to travel to a warm home or a hospital yourself, they'll sic the cops on you."
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Yet another example of how shitty America's car-centric infrastructure is.
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"31 deaths is crazy… stay safe out there!",
">\n\nI'm in Ohio and had to be the bad guy to my in-laws by saying we weren't coming to Christmas Eve, then they called the next day and said it took them an hour to drive 10 minutes home from the dinner we skipped and how dangerous it was. \nSome people gotta touch an oven to see if it's hot when you tell them ¯\\ಠಠ_/¯",
">\n\nAlso in Ohio. Called out of work the day of the storm even though it was only a 15 min drive away. Roads were still not cleared fully 2 days later.",
">\n\nI called out on Friday, I do not like my job enough to risk my life for it, especially during the holiday rush.",
">\n\nDon't get me wrong. My job is great and it pays well. But money is money and it'll cost a lot more for my loved ones to arrange my funeral than it would for me to miss a day of work.",
">\n\nI’m in BC where we got hit pretty bad last week, and my ethos was, “I get paid less in a day than my car insurance deductible costs”",
">\n\nHaha I’m gonna remember this",
">\n\nEmergency services were turned off for 2 days during the storm. The city was completely inaccessible so if you get into an accident you're on your own. My street (a main street in the heart of the west side) had a snow drift as high a stoplight blocking all access. Down the way was an abandoned semitruck blocking the entire road as well as other abandoned cars sprinkled across the landscape completely buried in snow. Trees fallen everywhere too. The whole city was like this.\nI knew it was going to be bad but this one was BAD",
">\n\nYou’ve been hit hard twice and it’s only December. Do you think about moving? Just curious. I live in Maine but come from Rochester NY and I don’t think I could deal with that level of disaster anymore.",
">\n\nGrew up in Rochester as well, moved to Southern Louisiana to get away from the snow. In the 90's I got cuaght several times on the stretch of 90 between Buffalo and Erie and wasn't sure I'd make it home. The snow through there is crazy, I would just follow a semi at a distance and if he went off the road I knew to stop.",
">\n\ndriving around with Semi-traction can be a bit dangerous sometimes.",
">\n\nIf they've got a full load they do better than cars and have more experienced drivers so I follow them too. But with an empty trailer they're screwed in high winds. I was thinking of passing one in Chicago snowstorm but the back drifted just a bit so I slowed down and kept back. Sure enough a few minutes later a gust caught him and the trailer swung across a couple lanes and almost jackknifed. Driver did a great job of getting it straightened back out so kudos to him! That was a long ass stressful drive back home though. I was exhausted.",
">\n\nThis is why people would rush to the store to buy up things like eggs, bread, milk, butter, TP, paper towels, etc... Sure people always panic when it's just a little snow but overall, these types of storms are why.",
">\n\nAlso why it's good to have some canned/dried goods. I keep about 4-5 days worth of soups, canned goods, rice, ramen, clean it out every once in a while if it doesn't get used. It's not costly either, that stuff is fairly cheap. \nBut man, this is pretty crazy. I think the most I've ever been trapped (no driving ban, just felt safe to leave) was 3 days in 2010 for \"Snowmaggedon\", these poor folks are almost going on a week.",
">\n\nYou keep 4-5 days worth?... I feel like I may be a hoarder if 4-5 days is considered a good amount.",
">\n\n4-5 days worth of food is nothing. I live in Louisiana and that’s the bare minimum in my opinion.",
">\n\nI'm pretty sure we have a month's worth of food all combined. Lots of dried beans and rice too. For me, it's to be prepared, and because of the poverty I've experienced, where all my food was from the food bank.",
">\n\nThat's very smart. Dried beans and rice are heaven when you have ZERO access. People don't understand that. it's not about what you want to eat in a disaster, its about eating high caloric/protein meals and staying adequately 'full', or, at the very least, having enough food to have some energy output.",
">\n\nAnother thing is maintaining a more positive mental state. When you don't meet the daily nutritive threshold it can mess with your head. Bad thought loops are the last thing you need in a natural disaster.",
">\n\nThis is 100 why I keep 'mental health food' in my pantry. A chocolate bar. Liquid IVs. Canned fruit. Stuff I know will boost me when I'm low. It helped so much during Ida.",
">\n\nEvery business that stayed open and didn't give their employees the option to stay home should be prosecuted. These people would t have been out in this if it wasn't for fear of losing their jobs. It's disgusting.",
">\n\nToo bad our elected officials don't represent their constituents' interests. Or rather they consider the businesses their constuents, rather than the voters.",
">\n\n\nOr rather they consider the businesses their constituents, rather than the voters.\n\nConservatives make no secret at all about this, and their voters are very straightforward about valuing business owners over regular people.",
">\n\nIt's not just conservatives, sadly. Both parties represent corporations over human beings.",
">\n\nTrue, but conservatives have turned the \"small business owner\" into an identity that they leverage against anybody who might need any sort of govt protections; the narrative is always that JimBob's Tire Emporium will go under if he has to pay over $8/hour or offer insurance. They all see themselves as JimBob. It's a really good trick.\nDems are for sure corrupt and support a lot of corporate agenda items but they campaign on individual wage and debt issues and do actually pass legislation. They're less psychopathic.",
">\n\nAnd yet conservative's talk about small business that way, but vote every damn time to make sure that larger companies get advantages - and those small businesses fail.",
">\n\nSo do Dems. Follow the money, both parties are propped up by the foulest industries and that isn't even considering dark money and super PACS.",
">\n\nI do, but I also look at the voting records. We need to get more people to run under \"Working Families\"that arent just \"better than the worse\" of the democrats.",
">\n\nLowes doesn't care. Still forcing employees to come in",
">\n\nI recently learned from a former Lowe’s employee that they have some sort of agreement with the government to be considered essential so that people and emergency services can get generators and equipment from them",
">\n\njesus, that's a lot of fucking snow \nlooking at that i'm having a mild ptsd from the four straight days of shoveling/blowing last week here in northern WI",
">\n\nHi fellow Northwoods resident!\nThe blow snow is the worst part. Stupid snow drifts. \nAlthough. My subdivision went from an open field to a street full of houses this summer. So the drifting is down considerably.",
">\n\nWyoming enters the chat Someone talking about snowdrifts? The jackalopes have it tough this year.",
">\n\nJesus I saw that Cheyenne dropped 32 degrees in temp in 10 minutes. That is seriously insane weather.",
">\n\nIt was awesome! \nDay after tomorrow quotes for a week! \nWe never lost power so it was a win. What's funny is that it was around 25 this morning. Still wearing short sleeve shirts after the last frost. It was crazy! Hope y'all are safe.",
">\n\nOne wonders if there is a list of missing people and if so, how long the list is",
">\n\nI saw a fucked up video of people coming across someone frozen on the ground.",
">\n\nThat's cold asf",
">\n\nYeah both what they were saying and acting and the fact the person froze to death.",
">\n\nI once slept outside in 5 to 10 degree weather, I hope all the homeless got somewhere warm.",
">\n\n\"Poloncarz, a Democrat, called the blizzard \"the worst storm probably in our lifetime,\" even for an area known for heavy snow. More bodies are expected to be found as the snow is cleared or melts.\" \nWtf does their political affiliation have to do with anything? \n\"Jeff here, who loves cheese, was devastated when his wife was unable to be rescued from her car\".",
">\n\nPeople need to know if they should agree or disagree with the statement about the storm.",
">\n\nWhat?!? He’s a democrat? \nThat’s all I needed to hear to know that this definitely was NOT the worst storm in the city’s history, typical democrat fear mongering.\nTheres no more bodies to find, but I’m sure the democrats will claim they found more bodies just to justify more government spending. They’ll be counting people that died 3 weeks ago as storm deaths. They count bodies the same way they count votes for Biden. LGB!!\n/s",
">\n\nRemenber: whatever out there isn't worth your life",
">\n\nWell said, just chill at your home safely till the storm reduces",
">\n\nMany houses do not have power and people are trying to get to the safety of a community shelter.",
">\n\nThis is true as well",
">\n\nI’m in buffalo we had no power for 74 hours and needed gas to run a generator to stay warm, to survive you have to make choices. There wasn’t even 911 services for the entire city for days.",
">\n\nIt's insane to me they announced no emergency services. It was like 48 hours. All the bodegas near me on the west side got robbed, pretty crazy.",
">\n\nIt is insane, and public services have to warn people and risk the looting. The government is a construct that's a failure when its needed lately. It's not going to get any better either...",
">\n\nThis is not the time to play on the roads, so stay off them",
">\n\nKind of hard to do that if you live in your car.",
">\n\nmy hometown 💔 my sister is still snowed in and had to walk to wegmans to try and get supplies. i really wish i could help",
">\n\nDoesn't help homeless people who have no choice.",
">\n\nMeanwhile, Starbucks etc. demanding to know why employees aren't clocked in",
">\n\nI happened to have my plans messed up from the weather, so I was chillin solo on Xmas. I couldn’t believe my local Starbucks was open. Give em a day, Jeaz! No one is missing Starbucks that day.",
">\n\nRight?\nI mean, it's one thing to be open on a holiday in a busy travel area, especially if you have staff who celebrate other holidays -- but floods, shootings, blizzards, holidays (where it's not necessary or at not busy stores). Pretty sure there is something in the \"How to Be Corporate\" manual that demands stores be open in the most ridiculous situations without exception; in fact, that more ridiculous the more critical it is for the store to be fully staffed :/",
">\n\nFor the people looking in from outside the area, the people of WNY take pride in being able to survive storms with minimal disruption. And remember that we just got thru a monumental storm just before thanksgiving. But unless you are at least 55 yrs old you can’t really remember conditions like those of last week. It was on a whole different level and all the local weatherman warnings about it’s impending severity couldn’t convince a large number of the population. The fact that they hype up a normal lake effect snow storm every 10 days may have played a small part in people disregarding the warnings but that’s a whole other conversation.",
">\n\nThe size of the Low and the massive pressure gradient between it and the cold high behind it was absolutely nuts.",
">\n\n\"but you're still coming in for your shift, right?\" - management",
">\n\nThese managers and store owners should be prosecuted and go to jail.",
">\n\nI'm looking forward to the several lawsuits from employees over their bosses making them show up to work.",
">\n\nThe people at those jobs don't have the means to sue. And if they do the company will stretch it out requiring court appearances but the employee doesn't have that many sick and vacation days so they either show up and lose their job or give up. People can't go that long without work to fight back against the evil bastards. The only chance is a large class action or if the business gets enough bad publicity that they settle.",
">\n\nSo did folks stock up on supplies before this thing hit? If you can't drive you can't get to the grocery store or pharmacy.",
">\n\nThis is why they say you should have 2 weeks worth of non-perishable food at home at all times. Even if it's just soup or pasta. Because there will come a time when you're stuck for several days and everything is shut down. I know it sucks because so many are living paycheck to paycheck, but it's important to have that little stash of food (and medicine).",
">\n\nExactly. Everyone should have an emergency kit.",
">\n\nYou know how bad it is after you learn Buffalo is a place that is no stranger to snow, cold snaps and blizzards.",
">\n\nMy mum couldn’t understand why there have been so many deaths and as someone who’s only been following the situation from a distance I couldn’t really give her a confident answer. Are people dying from being caught in the blizzard outside? Are they trapped inside with no heating or supplies and succumbing to the cold? Is it primarily elderly people? Was this storm foreseen and were people warned to be prepared?",
">\n\nThe snow was so bad, people got stuck on the road. For over 24 hours there were NO emergency services available because ALL their vehicles were stuck. People froze to death or died from carbon monoxide b/c they ran their motors for heat.\nWe has sustained 75mph winds on Friday that immediately knock power out, and heat for those without gas. Water pipes broke. Fires. People became disoriented walking & just fell over & died. The snow was heavy, so shoveling caused heart attacks.\nNo one could prepare us for this. I have lived in the Buffalo area for 54 years. I have seen storms, but not like this.",
">\n\nWe have gas heat but it’s forced air so no power= no heat. (Luckily we only had power flicker a few times- houses down the street lost power). \nI said elsewhere- I’ve never been in a situation where we were told “no emergency services- you’re on your own”. Maybe it happened in ‘77 but I was 5 then and I honestly don’t remember the storm.",
">\n\nI was 9 in '77 so I don't remember a lot either. I was also in Chautauqua county then & like this storm, it wasn't as bad down there. \nI am in Southtowns now. I agree 100% that this is a storm like no other in my lifetime. First the 5+ feet of snow a couple weeks ago, now this.\nWe were lucky too. I am SO GLAD you survived!🙏 Too many sad stories that didn't need to happen, and on Christmas no less. Peace & Go Bills!",
">\n\nThis is exactly why I hate snow. I know it's fun to ski and make snowmen and have snow ball fights. It's when you have to clear the snow due to it hindering something or drive in it, deaths result.",
">\n\nNo hair, our skin hurts in low temps, Our noses dont work under low humidity. For all intents and purposes, humans aren't meant to live in the cold.",
">\n\nEmployers:”Walk your ass to work. I’ll see you when the snow dies down because I took vacation.”",
">\n\nSome of those dead must be chili's managers who blew a blood vessel screaming at min wage workers that this storm \" wasn't that bad\" and \" we are going to be crazy busy\"",
">\n\n\"Well yes, but can you still come in? We're short-staffed. Be a team player! It's only a bit of snow!\"",
">\n\nBiggest issue people don’t understand; when you “have to” go to a store or run an errand and you get into an accident, you call 911.\nThose first responders shouldn’t be dealing with you right now, they should be trying to rescue any trapped victims that might still be alive.\nStop being selfish, stay off the roads and if you actually need something, ask neighbors for help, pool your resources and become a better community while others are given a chance to survive.",
">\n\nEmergency services were turned off for 2 days during the storm. The city was completely inaccessible so if you get into an accident you're on your own. My street (a main street in the heart of the west side) had a snow drift as high a stoplight blocking all access. Down the way was an abandoned semitruck blocking the entire road as well as other abandoned cars sprinkled across the landscape. The whole city was like this.",
">\n\nStill there will be a lot of people who think the ban doesn't apply to them because they have to go see grandma.",
">\n\nOr they're homeless and don't have anywhere else to go",
">\n\nHopefully people stay off the roads, bc this is no time to play",
">\n\nI still don't know anyone personally who has been ticketed for driving during the ban. I think they should automatically ticket every car that was abandoned on a bus route and let the owner explain why they were driving during the ban to determine if they have to pay the fine. People will not obey laws if there's no enforcement.\nPayloaders came down my street last night (Tuesday), so I was able to drive to ECMC to pick up my wife, but on my way there, a friend of mine texted me \"we're at the bar if you want to swing by\". Considering that the bartender had to drive in from Tonawanda, that bar should have been closed.",
">\n\nWonder how many people did it anyways in the name of “muh freedom” then ran to an already overworked emergency room when their stupidity backfired",
">\n\nEmergency Room? Nobody could get to the hospital and there were no ambulances",
">\n\nNewspapers had a combination of revenue. Income from subscribers and newsboxes proved their circulation which helped them sell ads. When people stopped paying for the paper they were also no longer eyeballs for the ads. And the fact that they paid to read in the first place contributes to the investment each party has in the advertiser, publication, readership relationship. \nBasic news reporting is worth every penny you pay, and even subscribing you should still look at every article critically for spin. Anyone who gives it to you free has an angle of their own.\nEdited to add: my parents subscribed to papers. I just read the headlines.",
">\n\nI worked at a small town paper with circulation about 30k (weekend) and we had about $12k daily revenue from classifieds ads that vaporized when craigslist came. Went from 10-14 pages of classifieds to half a page. Classifieds subsidized a lot of the paper.",
">\n\nYeah, competition for eyeballs went way way up in the digital age where investment costs are so so low compared to physical media overhead",
">\n\nIt's honestly really sad, that paper employed probably 100-150 ppl when i was there and now it does not exist on a local level.. there are some freelance reporters and photogs who submit stories but everything else is handled on a national level - there's a customer service call center, photo color correction is a central department for hundreds of papers, etc. They contract the press work to another larger paper and the delivery is handled by 1099 contractors. Local news barely exists anymore.",
">\n\nDriving ban? Where are the “my Freedumbs” people when you need them? This is unconstitutional! This is an overreach of government! Unbelievable! \n/s",
">\n\nAny good american would have taken out their AR15 and shot the blizzard..\n/s",
">\n\nI got DOWNVOTED for SARCASM!?! \nFuck you Reddit! lol :-)",
">\n\nTired of the \"muh freedumb\" constant complainers... I really feel bad for the common sense people of the area. Same people, \"why do weather forecasters always speak in sensationalism and hyperbole?\"",
">\n\nNo protests about government overreach?",
">\n\nIsn't it about to be warm again. Wondr8ng how much of this snow will melt with a few days above freezing and rain",
">\n\nThey’re already trying to warn people who live in known flooding areas.",
">\n\nThere are homes still without power, and people have died waiting for emergency personnel, but if you try to travel to a warm home or a hospital yourself, they'll sic the cops on you.",
">\n\nhow did they die? stuck in their cars?"
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Wow! Maybe national guard takes orders from homes and delivers them so that people don’t have to leave house out of desperation!! Wow!
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"31 deaths is crazy… stay safe out there!",
">\n\nI'm in Ohio and had to be the bad guy to my in-laws by saying we weren't coming to Christmas Eve, then they called the next day and said it took them an hour to drive 10 minutes home from the dinner we skipped and how dangerous it was. \nSome people gotta touch an oven to see if it's hot when you tell them ¯\\ಠಠ_/¯",
">\n\nAlso in Ohio. Called out of work the day of the storm even though it was only a 15 min drive away. Roads were still not cleared fully 2 days later.",
">\n\nI called out on Friday, I do not like my job enough to risk my life for it, especially during the holiday rush.",
">\n\nDon't get me wrong. My job is great and it pays well. But money is money and it'll cost a lot more for my loved ones to arrange my funeral than it would for me to miss a day of work.",
">\n\nI’m in BC where we got hit pretty bad last week, and my ethos was, “I get paid less in a day than my car insurance deductible costs”",
">\n\nHaha I’m gonna remember this",
">\n\nEmergency services were turned off for 2 days during the storm. The city was completely inaccessible so if you get into an accident you're on your own. My street (a main street in the heart of the west side) had a snow drift as high a stoplight blocking all access. Down the way was an abandoned semitruck blocking the entire road as well as other abandoned cars sprinkled across the landscape completely buried in snow. Trees fallen everywhere too. The whole city was like this.\nI knew it was going to be bad but this one was BAD",
">\n\nYou’ve been hit hard twice and it’s only December. Do you think about moving? Just curious. I live in Maine but come from Rochester NY and I don’t think I could deal with that level of disaster anymore.",
">\n\nGrew up in Rochester as well, moved to Southern Louisiana to get away from the snow. In the 90's I got cuaght several times on the stretch of 90 between Buffalo and Erie and wasn't sure I'd make it home. The snow through there is crazy, I would just follow a semi at a distance and if he went off the road I knew to stop.",
">\n\ndriving around with Semi-traction can be a bit dangerous sometimes.",
">\n\nIf they've got a full load they do better than cars and have more experienced drivers so I follow them too. But with an empty trailer they're screwed in high winds. I was thinking of passing one in Chicago snowstorm but the back drifted just a bit so I slowed down and kept back. Sure enough a few minutes later a gust caught him and the trailer swung across a couple lanes and almost jackknifed. Driver did a great job of getting it straightened back out so kudos to him! That was a long ass stressful drive back home though. I was exhausted.",
">\n\nThis is why people would rush to the store to buy up things like eggs, bread, milk, butter, TP, paper towels, etc... Sure people always panic when it's just a little snow but overall, these types of storms are why.",
">\n\nAlso why it's good to have some canned/dried goods. I keep about 4-5 days worth of soups, canned goods, rice, ramen, clean it out every once in a while if it doesn't get used. It's not costly either, that stuff is fairly cheap. \nBut man, this is pretty crazy. I think the most I've ever been trapped (no driving ban, just felt safe to leave) was 3 days in 2010 for \"Snowmaggedon\", these poor folks are almost going on a week.",
">\n\nYou keep 4-5 days worth?... I feel like I may be a hoarder if 4-5 days is considered a good amount.",
">\n\n4-5 days worth of food is nothing. I live in Louisiana and that’s the bare minimum in my opinion.",
">\n\nI'm pretty sure we have a month's worth of food all combined. Lots of dried beans and rice too. For me, it's to be prepared, and because of the poverty I've experienced, where all my food was from the food bank.",
">\n\nThat's very smart. Dried beans and rice are heaven when you have ZERO access. People don't understand that. it's not about what you want to eat in a disaster, its about eating high caloric/protein meals and staying adequately 'full', or, at the very least, having enough food to have some energy output.",
">\n\nAnother thing is maintaining a more positive mental state. When you don't meet the daily nutritive threshold it can mess with your head. Bad thought loops are the last thing you need in a natural disaster.",
">\n\nThis is 100 why I keep 'mental health food' in my pantry. A chocolate bar. Liquid IVs. Canned fruit. Stuff I know will boost me when I'm low. It helped so much during Ida.",
">\n\nEvery business that stayed open and didn't give their employees the option to stay home should be prosecuted. These people would t have been out in this if it wasn't for fear of losing their jobs. It's disgusting.",
">\n\nToo bad our elected officials don't represent their constituents' interests. Or rather they consider the businesses their constuents, rather than the voters.",
">\n\n\nOr rather they consider the businesses their constituents, rather than the voters.\n\nConservatives make no secret at all about this, and their voters are very straightforward about valuing business owners over regular people.",
">\n\nIt's not just conservatives, sadly. Both parties represent corporations over human beings.",
">\n\nTrue, but conservatives have turned the \"small business owner\" into an identity that they leverage against anybody who might need any sort of govt protections; the narrative is always that JimBob's Tire Emporium will go under if he has to pay over $8/hour or offer insurance. They all see themselves as JimBob. It's a really good trick.\nDems are for sure corrupt and support a lot of corporate agenda items but they campaign on individual wage and debt issues and do actually pass legislation. They're less psychopathic.",
">\n\nAnd yet conservative's talk about small business that way, but vote every damn time to make sure that larger companies get advantages - and those small businesses fail.",
">\n\nSo do Dems. Follow the money, both parties are propped up by the foulest industries and that isn't even considering dark money and super PACS.",
">\n\nI do, but I also look at the voting records. We need to get more people to run under \"Working Families\"that arent just \"better than the worse\" of the democrats.",
">\n\nLowes doesn't care. Still forcing employees to come in",
">\n\nI recently learned from a former Lowe’s employee that they have some sort of agreement with the government to be considered essential so that people and emergency services can get generators and equipment from them",
">\n\njesus, that's a lot of fucking snow \nlooking at that i'm having a mild ptsd from the four straight days of shoveling/blowing last week here in northern WI",
">\n\nHi fellow Northwoods resident!\nThe blow snow is the worst part. Stupid snow drifts. \nAlthough. My subdivision went from an open field to a street full of houses this summer. So the drifting is down considerably.",
">\n\nWyoming enters the chat Someone talking about snowdrifts? The jackalopes have it tough this year.",
">\n\nJesus I saw that Cheyenne dropped 32 degrees in temp in 10 minutes. That is seriously insane weather.",
">\n\nIt was awesome! \nDay after tomorrow quotes for a week! \nWe never lost power so it was a win. What's funny is that it was around 25 this morning. Still wearing short sleeve shirts after the last frost. It was crazy! Hope y'all are safe.",
">\n\nOne wonders if there is a list of missing people and if so, how long the list is",
">\n\nI saw a fucked up video of people coming across someone frozen on the ground.",
">\n\nThat's cold asf",
">\n\nYeah both what they were saying and acting and the fact the person froze to death.",
">\n\nI once slept outside in 5 to 10 degree weather, I hope all the homeless got somewhere warm.",
">\n\n\"Poloncarz, a Democrat, called the blizzard \"the worst storm probably in our lifetime,\" even for an area known for heavy snow. More bodies are expected to be found as the snow is cleared or melts.\" \nWtf does their political affiliation have to do with anything? \n\"Jeff here, who loves cheese, was devastated when his wife was unable to be rescued from her car\".",
">\n\nPeople need to know if they should agree or disagree with the statement about the storm.",
">\n\nWhat?!? He’s a democrat? \nThat’s all I needed to hear to know that this definitely was NOT the worst storm in the city’s history, typical democrat fear mongering.\nTheres no more bodies to find, but I’m sure the democrats will claim they found more bodies just to justify more government spending. They’ll be counting people that died 3 weeks ago as storm deaths. They count bodies the same way they count votes for Biden. LGB!!\n/s",
">\n\nRemenber: whatever out there isn't worth your life",
">\n\nWell said, just chill at your home safely till the storm reduces",
">\n\nMany houses do not have power and people are trying to get to the safety of a community shelter.",
">\n\nThis is true as well",
">\n\nI’m in buffalo we had no power for 74 hours and needed gas to run a generator to stay warm, to survive you have to make choices. There wasn’t even 911 services for the entire city for days.",
">\n\nIt's insane to me they announced no emergency services. It was like 48 hours. All the bodegas near me on the west side got robbed, pretty crazy.",
">\n\nIt is insane, and public services have to warn people and risk the looting. The government is a construct that's a failure when its needed lately. It's not going to get any better either...",
">\n\nThis is not the time to play on the roads, so stay off them",
">\n\nKind of hard to do that if you live in your car.",
">\n\nmy hometown 💔 my sister is still snowed in and had to walk to wegmans to try and get supplies. i really wish i could help",
">\n\nDoesn't help homeless people who have no choice.",
">\n\nMeanwhile, Starbucks etc. demanding to know why employees aren't clocked in",
">\n\nI happened to have my plans messed up from the weather, so I was chillin solo on Xmas. I couldn’t believe my local Starbucks was open. Give em a day, Jeaz! No one is missing Starbucks that day.",
">\n\nRight?\nI mean, it's one thing to be open on a holiday in a busy travel area, especially if you have staff who celebrate other holidays -- but floods, shootings, blizzards, holidays (where it's not necessary or at not busy stores). Pretty sure there is something in the \"How to Be Corporate\" manual that demands stores be open in the most ridiculous situations without exception; in fact, that more ridiculous the more critical it is for the store to be fully staffed :/",
">\n\nFor the people looking in from outside the area, the people of WNY take pride in being able to survive storms with minimal disruption. And remember that we just got thru a monumental storm just before thanksgiving. But unless you are at least 55 yrs old you can’t really remember conditions like those of last week. It was on a whole different level and all the local weatherman warnings about it’s impending severity couldn’t convince a large number of the population. The fact that they hype up a normal lake effect snow storm every 10 days may have played a small part in people disregarding the warnings but that’s a whole other conversation.",
">\n\nThe size of the Low and the massive pressure gradient between it and the cold high behind it was absolutely nuts.",
">\n\n\"but you're still coming in for your shift, right?\" - management",
">\n\nThese managers and store owners should be prosecuted and go to jail.",
">\n\nI'm looking forward to the several lawsuits from employees over their bosses making them show up to work.",
">\n\nThe people at those jobs don't have the means to sue. And if they do the company will stretch it out requiring court appearances but the employee doesn't have that many sick and vacation days so they either show up and lose their job or give up. People can't go that long without work to fight back against the evil bastards. The only chance is a large class action or if the business gets enough bad publicity that they settle.",
">\n\nSo did folks stock up on supplies before this thing hit? If you can't drive you can't get to the grocery store or pharmacy.",
">\n\nThis is why they say you should have 2 weeks worth of non-perishable food at home at all times. Even if it's just soup or pasta. Because there will come a time when you're stuck for several days and everything is shut down. I know it sucks because so many are living paycheck to paycheck, but it's important to have that little stash of food (and medicine).",
">\n\nExactly. Everyone should have an emergency kit.",
">\n\nYou know how bad it is after you learn Buffalo is a place that is no stranger to snow, cold snaps and blizzards.",
">\n\nMy mum couldn’t understand why there have been so many deaths and as someone who’s only been following the situation from a distance I couldn’t really give her a confident answer. Are people dying from being caught in the blizzard outside? Are they trapped inside with no heating or supplies and succumbing to the cold? Is it primarily elderly people? Was this storm foreseen and were people warned to be prepared?",
">\n\nThe snow was so bad, people got stuck on the road. For over 24 hours there were NO emergency services available because ALL their vehicles were stuck. People froze to death or died from carbon monoxide b/c they ran their motors for heat.\nWe has sustained 75mph winds on Friday that immediately knock power out, and heat for those without gas. Water pipes broke. Fires. People became disoriented walking & just fell over & died. The snow was heavy, so shoveling caused heart attacks.\nNo one could prepare us for this. I have lived in the Buffalo area for 54 years. I have seen storms, but not like this.",
">\n\nWe have gas heat but it’s forced air so no power= no heat. (Luckily we only had power flicker a few times- houses down the street lost power). \nI said elsewhere- I’ve never been in a situation where we were told “no emergency services- you’re on your own”. Maybe it happened in ‘77 but I was 5 then and I honestly don’t remember the storm.",
">\n\nI was 9 in '77 so I don't remember a lot either. I was also in Chautauqua county then & like this storm, it wasn't as bad down there. \nI am in Southtowns now. I agree 100% that this is a storm like no other in my lifetime. First the 5+ feet of snow a couple weeks ago, now this.\nWe were lucky too. I am SO GLAD you survived!🙏 Too many sad stories that didn't need to happen, and on Christmas no less. Peace & Go Bills!",
">\n\nThis is exactly why I hate snow. I know it's fun to ski and make snowmen and have snow ball fights. It's when you have to clear the snow due to it hindering something or drive in it, deaths result.",
">\n\nNo hair, our skin hurts in low temps, Our noses dont work under low humidity. For all intents and purposes, humans aren't meant to live in the cold.",
">\n\nEmployers:”Walk your ass to work. I’ll see you when the snow dies down because I took vacation.”",
">\n\nSome of those dead must be chili's managers who blew a blood vessel screaming at min wage workers that this storm \" wasn't that bad\" and \" we are going to be crazy busy\"",
">\n\n\"Well yes, but can you still come in? We're short-staffed. Be a team player! It's only a bit of snow!\"",
">\n\nBiggest issue people don’t understand; when you “have to” go to a store or run an errand and you get into an accident, you call 911.\nThose first responders shouldn’t be dealing with you right now, they should be trying to rescue any trapped victims that might still be alive.\nStop being selfish, stay off the roads and if you actually need something, ask neighbors for help, pool your resources and become a better community while others are given a chance to survive.",
">\n\nEmergency services were turned off for 2 days during the storm. The city was completely inaccessible so if you get into an accident you're on your own. My street (a main street in the heart of the west side) had a snow drift as high a stoplight blocking all access. Down the way was an abandoned semitruck blocking the entire road as well as other abandoned cars sprinkled across the landscape. The whole city was like this.",
">\n\nStill there will be a lot of people who think the ban doesn't apply to them because they have to go see grandma.",
">\n\nOr they're homeless and don't have anywhere else to go",
">\n\nHopefully people stay off the roads, bc this is no time to play",
">\n\nI still don't know anyone personally who has been ticketed for driving during the ban. I think they should automatically ticket every car that was abandoned on a bus route and let the owner explain why they were driving during the ban to determine if they have to pay the fine. People will not obey laws if there's no enforcement.\nPayloaders came down my street last night (Tuesday), so I was able to drive to ECMC to pick up my wife, but on my way there, a friend of mine texted me \"we're at the bar if you want to swing by\". Considering that the bartender had to drive in from Tonawanda, that bar should have been closed.",
">\n\nWonder how many people did it anyways in the name of “muh freedom” then ran to an already overworked emergency room when their stupidity backfired",
">\n\nEmergency Room? Nobody could get to the hospital and there were no ambulances",
">\n\nNewspapers had a combination of revenue. Income from subscribers and newsboxes proved their circulation which helped them sell ads. When people stopped paying for the paper they were also no longer eyeballs for the ads. And the fact that they paid to read in the first place contributes to the investment each party has in the advertiser, publication, readership relationship. \nBasic news reporting is worth every penny you pay, and even subscribing you should still look at every article critically for spin. Anyone who gives it to you free has an angle of their own.\nEdited to add: my parents subscribed to papers. I just read the headlines.",
">\n\nI worked at a small town paper with circulation about 30k (weekend) and we had about $12k daily revenue from classifieds ads that vaporized when craigslist came. Went from 10-14 pages of classifieds to half a page. Classifieds subsidized a lot of the paper.",
">\n\nYeah, competition for eyeballs went way way up in the digital age where investment costs are so so low compared to physical media overhead",
">\n\nIt's honestly really sad, that paper employed probably 100-150 ppl when i was there and now it does not exist on a local level.. there are some freelance reporters and photogs who submit stories but everything else is handled on a national level - there's a customer service call center, photo color correction is a central department for hundreds of papers, etc. They contract the press work to another larger paper and the delivery is handled by 1099 contractors. Local news barely exists anymore.",
">\n\nDriving ban? Where are the “my Freedumbs” people when you need them? This is unconstitutional! This is an overreach of government! Unbelievable! \n/s",
">\n\nAny good american would have taken out their AR15 and shot the blizzard..\n/s",
">\n\nI got DOWNVOTED for SARCASM!?! \nFuck you Reddit! lol :-)",
">\n\nTired of the \"muh freedumb\" constant complainers... I really feel bad for the common sense people of the area. Same people, \"why do weather forecasters always speak in sensationalism and hyperbole?\"",
">\n\nNo protests about government overreach?",
">\n\nIsn't it about to be warm again. Wondr8ng how much of this snow will melt with a few days above freezing and rain",
">\n\nThey’re already trying to warn people who live in known flooding areas.",
">\n\nThere are homes still without power, and people have died waiting for emergency personnel, but if you try to travel to a warm home or a hospital yourself, they'll sic the cops on you.",
">\n\nhow did they die? stuck in their cars?",
">\n\nYet another example of how shitty America's car-centric infrastructure is."
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No driving... But is my snowmobile good to go? How about my Ranger on tracks? I feel like people that have proper modes of transportation for the region should get a pass.
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"31 deaths is crazy… stay safe out there!",
">\n\nI'm in Ohio and had to be the bad guy to my in-laws by saying we weren't coming to Christmas Eve, then they called the next day and said it took them an hour to drive 10 minutes home from the dinner we skipped and how dangerous it was. \nSome people gotta touch an oven to see if it's hot when you tell them ¯\\ಠಠ_/¯",
">\n\nAlso in Ohio. Called out of work the day of the storm even though it was only a 15 min drive away. Roads were still not cleared fully 2 days later.",
">\n\nI called out on Friday, I do not like my job enough to risk my life for it, especially during the holiday rush.",
">\n\nDon't get me wrong. My job is great and it pays well. But money is money and it'll cost a lot more for my loved ones to arrange my funeral than it would for me to miss a day of work.",
">\n\nI’m in BC where we got hit pretty bad last week, and my ethos was, “I get paid less in a day than my car insurance deductible costs”",
">\n\nHaha I’m gonna remember this",
">\n\nEmergency services were turned off for 2 days during the storm. The city was completely inaccessible so if you get into an accident you're on your own. My street (a main street in the heart of the west side) had a snow drift as high a stoplight blocking all access. Down the way was an abandoned semitruck blocking the entire road as well as other abandoned cars sprinkled across the landscape completely buried in snow. Trees fallen everywhere too. The whole city was like this.\nI knew it was going to be bad but this one was BAD",
">\n\nYou’ve been hit hard twice and it’s only December. Do you think about moving? Just curious. I live in Maine but come from Rochester NY and I don’t think I could deal with that level of disaster anymore.",
">\n\nGrew up in Rochester as well, moved to Southern Louisiana to get away from the snow. In the 90's I got cuaght several times on the stretch of 90 between Buffalo and Erie and wasn't sure I'd make it home. The snow through there is crazy, I would just follow a semi at a distance and if he went off the road I knew to stop.",
">\n\ndriving around with Semi-traction can be a bit dangerous sometimes.",
">\n\nIf they've got a full load they do better than cars and have more experienced drivers so I follow them too. But with an empty trailer they're screwed in high winds. I was thinking of passing one in Chicago snowstorm but the back drifted just a bit so I slowed down and kept back. Sure enough a few minutes later a gust caught him and the trailer swung across a couple lanes and almost jackknifed. Driver did a great job of getting it straightened back out so kudos to him! That was a long ass stressful drive back home though. I was exhausted.",
">\n\nThis is why people would rush to the store to buy up things like eggs, bread, milk, butter, TP, paper towels, etc... Sure people always panic when it's just a little snow but overall, these types of storms are why.",
">\n\nAlso why it's good to have some canned/dried goods. I keep about 4-5 days worth of soups, canned goods, rice, ramen, clean it out every once in a while if it doesn't get used. It's not costly either, that stuff is fairly cheap. \nBut man, this is pretty crazy. I think the most I've ever been trapped (no driving ban, just felt safe to leave) was 3 days in 2010 for \"Snowmaggedon\", these poor folks are almost going on a week.",
">\n\nYou keep 4-5 days worth?... I feel like I may be a hoarder if 4-5 days is considered a good amount.",
">\n\n4-5 days worth of food is nothing. I live in Louisiana and that’s the bare minimum in my opinion.",
">\n\nI'm pretty sure we have a month's worth of food all combined. Lots of dried beans and rice too. For me, it's to be prepared, and because of the poverty I've experienced, where all my food was from the food bank.",
">\n\nThat's very smart. Dried beans and rice are heaven when you have ZERO access. People don't understand that. it's not about what you want to eat in a disaster, its about eating high caloric/protein meals and staying adequately 'full', or, at the very least, having enough food to have some energy output.",
">\n\nAnother thing is maintaining a more positive mental state. When you don't meet the daily nutritive threshold it can mess with your head. Bad thought loops are the last thing you need in a natural disaster.",
">\n\nThis is 100 why I keep 'mental health food' in my pantry. A chocolate bar. Liquid IVs. Canned fruit. Stuff I know will boost me when I'm low. It helped so much during Ida.",
">\n\nEvery business that stayed open and didn't give their employees the option to stay home should be prosecuted. These people would t have been out in this if it wasn't for fear of losing their jobs. It's disgusting.",
">\n\nToo bad our elected officials don't represent their constituents' interests. Or rather they consider the businesses their constuents, rather than the voters.",
">\n\n\nOr rather they consider the businesses their constituents, rather than the voters.\n\nConservatives make no secret at all about this, and their voters are very straightforward about valuing business owners over regular people.",
">\n\nIt's not just conservatives, sadly. Both parties represent corporations over human beings.",
">\n\nTrue, but conservatives have turned the \"small business owner\" into an identity that they leverage against anybody who might need any sort of govt protections; the narrative is always that JimBob's Tire Emporium will go under if he has to pay over $8/hour or offer insurance. They all see themselves as JimBob. It's a really good trick.\nDems are for sure corrupt and support a lot of corporate agenda items but they campaign on individual wage and debt issues and do actually pass legislation. They're less psychopathic.",
">\n\nAnd yet conservative's talk about small business that way, but vote every damn time to make sure that larger companies get advantages - and those small businesses fail.",
">\n\nSo do Dems. Follow the money, both parties are propped up by the foulest industries and that isn't even considering dark money and super PACS.",
">\n\nI do, but I also look at the voting records. We need to get more people to run under \"Working Families\"that arent just \"better than the worse\" of the democrats.",
">\n\nLowes doesn't care. Still forcing employees to come in",
">\n\nI recently learned from a former Lowe’s employee that they have some sort of agreement with the government to be considered essential so that people and emergency services can get generators and equipment from them",
">\n\njesus, that's a lot of fucking snow \nlooking at that i'm having a mild ptsd from the four straight days of shoveling/blowing last week here in northern WI",
">\n\nHi fellow Northwoods resident!\nThe blow snow is the worst part. Stupid snow drifts. \nAlthough. My subdivision went from an open field to a street full of houses this summer. So the drifting is down considerably.",
">\n\nWyoming enters the chat Someone talking about snowdrifts? The jackalopes have it tough this year.",
">\n\nJesus I saw that Cheyenne dropped 32 degrees in temp in 10 minutes. That is seriously insane weather.",
">\n\nIt was awesome! \nDay after tomorrow quotes for a week! \nWe never lost power so it was a win. What's funny is that it was around 25 this morning. Still wearing short sleeve shirts after the last frost. It was crazy! Hope y'all are safe.",
">\n\nOne wonders if there is a list of missing people and if so, how long the list is",
">\n\nI saw a fucked up video of people coming across someone frozen on the ground.",
">\n\nThat's cold asf",
">\n\nYeah both what they were saying and acting and the fact the person froze to death.",
">\n\nI once slept outside in 5 to 10 degree weather, I hope all the homeless got somewhere warm.",
">\n\n\"Poloncarz, a Democrat, called the blizzard \"the worst storm probably in our lifetime,\" even for an area known for heavy snow. More bodies are expected to be found as the snow is cleared or melts.\" \nWtf does their political affiliation have to do with anything? \n\"Jeff here, who loves cheese, was devastated when his wife was unable to be rescued from her car\".",
">\n\nPeople need to know if they should agree or disagree with the statement about the storm.",
">\n\nWhat?!? He’s a democrat? \nThat’s all I needed to hear to know that this definitely was NOT the worst storm in the city’s history, typical democrat fear mongering.\nTheres no more bodies to find, but I’m sure the democrats will claim they found more bodies just to justify more government spending. They’ll be counting people that died 3 weeks ago as storm deaths. They count bodies the same way they count votes for Biden. LGB!!\n/s",
">\n\nRemenber: whatever out there isn't worth your life",
">\n\nWell said, just chill at your home safely till the storm reduces",
">\n\nMany houses do not have power and people are trying to get to the safety of a community shelter.",
">\n\nThis is true as well",
">\n\nI’m in buffalo we had no power for 74 hours and needed gas to run a generator to stay warm, to survive you have to make choices. There wasn’t even 911 services for the entire city for days.",
">\n\nIt's insane to me they announced no emergency services. It was like 48 hours. All the bodegas near me on the west side got robbed, pretty crazy.",
">\n\nIt is insane, and public services have to warn people and risk the looting. The government is a construct that's a failure when its needed lately. It's not going to get any better either...",
">\n\nThis is not the time to play on the roads, so stay off them",
">\n\nKind of hard to do that if you live in your car.",
">\n\nmy hometown 💔 my sister is still snowed in and had to walk to wegmans to try and get supplies. i really wish i could help",
">\n\nDoesn't help homeless people who have no choice.",
">\n\nMeanwhile, Starbucks etc. demanding to know why employees aren't clocked in",
">\n\nI happened to have my plans messed up from the weather, so I was chillin solo on Xmas. I couldn’t believe my local Starbucks was open. Give em a day, Jeaz! No one is missing Starbucks that day.",
">\n\nRight?\nI mean, it's one thing to be open on a holiday in a busy travel area, especially if you have staff who celebrate other holidays -- but floods, shootings, blizzards, holidays (where it's not necessary or at not busy stores). Pretty sure there is something in the \"How to Be Corporate\" manual that demands stores be open in the most ridiculous situations without exception; in fact, that more ridiculous the more critical it is for the store to be fully staffed :/",
">\n\nFor the people looking in from outside the area, the people of WNY take pride in being able to survive storms with minimal disruption. And remember that we just got thru a monumental storm just before thanksgiving. But unless you are at least 55 yrs old you can’t really remember conditions like those of last week. It was on a whole different level and all the local weatherman warnings about it’s impending severity couldn’t convince a large number of the population. The fact that they hype up a normal lake effect snow storm every 10 days may have played a small part in people disregarding the warnings but that’s a whole other conversation.",
">\n\nThe size of the Low and the massive pressure gradient between it and the cold high behind it was absolutely nuts.",
">\n\n\"but you're still coming in for your shift, right?\" - management",
">\n\nThese managers and store owners should be prosecuted and go to jail.",
">\n\nI'm looking forward to the several lawsuits from employees over their bosses making them show up to work.",
">\n\nThe people at those jobs don't have the means to sue. And if they do the company will stretch it out requiring court appearances but the employee doesn't have that many sick and vacation days so they either show up and lose their job or give up. People can't go that long without work to fight back against the evil bastards. The only chance is a large class action or if the business gets enough bad publicity that they settle.",
">\n\nSo did folks stock up on supplies before this thing hit? If you can't drive you can't get to the grocery store or pharmacy.",
">\n\nThis is why they say you should have 2 weeks worth of non-perishable food at home at all times. Even if it's just soup or pasta. Because there will come a time when you're stuck for several days and everything is shut down. I know it sucks because so many are living paycheck to paycheck, but it's important to have that little stash of food (and medicine).",
">\n\nExactly. Everyone should have an emergency kit.",
">\n\nYou know how bad it is after you learn Buffalo is a place that is no stranger to snow, cold snaps and blizzards.",
">\n\nMy mum couldn’t understand why there have been so many deaths and as someone who’s only been following the situation from a distance I couldn’t really give her a confident answer. Are people dying from being caught in the blizzard outside? Are they trapped inside with no heating or supplies and succumbing to the cold? Is it primarily elderly people? Was this storm foreseen and were people warned to be prepared?",
">\n\nThe snow was so bad, people got stuck on the road. For over 24 hours there were NO emergency services available because ALL their vehicles were stuck. People froze to death or died from carbon monoxide b/c they ran their motors for heat.\nWe has sustained 75mph winds on Friday that immediately knock power out, and heat for those without gas. Water pipes broke. Fires. People became disoriented walking & just fell over & died. The snow was heavy, so shoveling caused heart attacks.\nNo one could prepare us for this. I have lived in the Buffalo area for 54 years. I have seen storms, but not like this.",
">\n\nWe have gas heat but it’s forced air so no power= no heat. (Luckily we only had power flicker a few times- houses down the street lost power). \nI said elsewhere- I’ve never been in a situation where we were told “no emergency services- you’re on your own”. Maybe it happened in ‘77 but I was 5 then and I honestly don’t remember the storm.",
">\n\nI was 9 in '77 so I don't remember a lot either. I was also in Chautauqua county then & like this storm, it wasn't as bad down there. \nI am in Southtowns now. I agree 100% that this is a storm like no other in my lifetime. First the 5+ feet of snow a couple weeks ago, now this.\nWe were lucky too. I am SO GLAD you survived!🙏 Too many sad stories that didn't need to happen, and on Christmas no less. Peace & Go Bills!",
">\n\nThis is exactly why I hate snow. I know it's fun to ski and make snowmen and have snow ball fights. It's when you have to clear the snow due to it hindering something or drive in it, deaths result.",
">\n\nNo hair, our skin hurts in low temps, Our noses dont work under low humidity. For all intents and purposes, humans aren't meant to live in the cold.",
">\n\nEmployers:”Walk your ass to work. I’ll see you when the snow dies down because I took vacation.”",
">\n\nSome of those dead must be chili's managers who blew a blood vessel screaming at min wage workers that this storm \" wasn't that bad\" and \" we are going to be crazy busy\"",
">\n\n\"Well yes, but can you still come in? We're short-staffed. Be a team player! It's only a bit of snow!\"",
">\n\nBiggest issue people don’t understand; when you “have to” go to a store or run an errand and you get into an accident, you call 911.\nThose first responders shouldn’t be dealing with you right now, they should be trying to rescue any trapped victims that might still be alive.\nStop being selfish, stay off the roads and if you actually need something, ask neighbors for help, pool your resources and become a better community while others are given a chance to survive.",
">\n\nEmergency services were turned off for 2 days during the storm. The city was completely inaccessible so if you get into an accident you're on your own. My street (a main street in the heart of the west side) had a snow drift as high a stoplight blocking all access. Down the way was an abandoned semitruck blocking the entire road as well as other abandoned cars sprinkled across the landscape. The whole city was like this.",
">\n\nStill there will be a lot of people who think the ban doesn't apply to them because they have to go see grandma.",
">\n\nOr they're homeless and don't have anywhere else to go",
">\n\nHopefully people stay off the roads, bc this is no time to play",
">\n\nI still don't know anyone personally who has been ticketed for driving during the ban. I think they should automatically ticket every car that was abandoned on a bus route and let the owner explain why they were driving during the ban to determine if they have to pay the fine. People will not obey laws if there's no enforcement.\nPayloaders came down my street last night (Tuesday), so I was able to drive to ECMC to pick up my wife, but on my way there, a friend of mine texted me \"we're at the bar if you want to swing by\". Considering that the bartender had to drive in from Tonawanda, that bar should have been closed.",
">\n\nWonder how many people did it anyways in the name of “muh freedom” then ran to an already overworked emergency room when their stupidity backfired",
">\n\nEmergency Room? Nobody could get to the hospital and there were no ambulances",
">\n\nNewspapers had a combination of revenue. Income from subscribers and newsboxes proved their circulation which helped them sell ads. When people stopped paying for the paper they were also no longer eyeballs for the ads. And the fact that they paid to read in the first place contributes to the investment each party has in the advertiser, publication, readership relationship. \nBasic news reporting is worth every penny you pay, and even subscribing you should still look at every article critically for spin. Anyone who gives it to you free has an angle of their own.\nEdited to add: my parents subscribed to papers. I just read the headlines.",
">\n\nI worked at a small town paper with circulation about 30k (weekend) and we had about $12k daily revenue from classifieds ads that vaporized when craigslist came. Went from 10-14 pages of classifieds to half a page. Classifieds subsidized a lot of the paper.",
">\n\nYeah, competition for eyeballs went way way up in the digital age where investment costs are so so low compared to physical media overhead",
">\n\nIt's honestly really sad, that paper employed probably 100-150 ppl when i was there and now it does not exist on a local level.. there are some freelance reporters and photogs who submit stories but everything else is handled on a national level - there's a customer service call center, photo color correction is a central department for hundreds of papers, etc. They contract the press work to another larger paper and the delivery is handled by 1099 contractors. Local news barely exists anymore.",
">\n\nDriving ban? Where are the “my Freedumbs” people when you need them? This is unconstitutional! This is an overreach of government! Unbelievable! \n/s",
">\n\nAny good american would have taken out their AR15 and shot the blizzard..\n/s",
">\n\nI got DOWNVOTED for SARCASM!?! \nFuck you Reddit! lol :-)",
">\n\nTired of the \"muh freedumb\" constant complainers... I really feel bad for the common sense people of the area. Same people, \"why do weather forecasters always speak in sensationalism and hyperbole?\"",
">\n\nNo protests about government overreach?",
">\n\nIsn't it about to be warm again. Wondr8ng how much of this snow will melt with a few days above freezing and rain",
">\n\nThey’re already trying to warn people who live in known flooding areas.",
">\n\nThere are homes still without power, and people have died waiting for emergency personnel, but if you try to travel to a warm home or a hospital yourself, they'll sic the cops on you.",
">\n\nhow did they die? stuck in their cars?",
">\n\nYet another example of how shitty America's car-centric infrastructure is.",
">\n\nWow! Maybe national guard takes orders from homes and delivers them so that people don’t have to leave house out of desperation!! Wow!"
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"31 deaths is crazy… stay safe out there!",
">\n\nI'm in Ohio and had to be the bad guy to my in-laws by saying we weren't coming to Christmas Eve, then they called the next day and said it took them an hour to drive 10 minutes home from the dinner we skipped and how dangerous it was. \nSome people gotta touch an oven to see if it's hot when you tell them ¯\\ಠಠ_/¯",
">\n\nAlso in Ohio. Called out of work the day of the storm even though it was only a 15 min drive away. Roads were still not cleared fully 2 days later.",
">\n\nI called out on Friday, I do not like my job enough to risk my life for it, especially during the holiday rush.",
">\n\nDon't get me wrong. My job is great and it pays well. But money is money and it'll cost a lot more for my loved ones to arrange my funeral than it would for me to miss a day of work.",
">\n\nI’m in BC where we got hit pretty bad last week, and my ethos was, “I get paid less in a day than my car insurance deductible costs”",
">\n\nHaha I’m gonna remember this",
">\n\nEmergency services were turned off for 2 days during the storm. The city was completely inaccessible so if you get into an accident you're on your own. My street (a main street in the heart of the west side) had a snow drift as high a stoplight blocking all access. Down the way was an abandoned semitruck blocking the entire road as well as other abandoned cars sprinkled across the landscape completely buried in snow. Trees fallen everywhere too. The whole city was like this.\nI knew it was going to be bad but this one was BAD",
">\n\nYou’ve been hit hard twice and it’s only December. Do you think about moving? Just curious. I live in Maine but come from Rochester NY and I don’t think I could deal with that level of disaster anymore.",
">\n\nGrew up in Rochester as well, moved to Southern Louisiana to get away from the snow. In the 90's I got cuaght several times on the stretch of 90 between Buffalo and Erie and wasn't sure I'd make it home. The snow through there is crazy, I would just follow a semi at a distance and if he went off the road I knew to stop.",
">\n\ndriving around with Semi-traction can be a bit dangerous sometimes.",
">\n\nIf they've got a full load they do better than cars and have more experienced drivers so I follow them too. But with an empty trailer they're screwed in high winds. I was thinking of passing one in Chicago snowstorm but the back drifted just a bit so I slowed down and kept back. Sure enough a few minutes later a gust caught him and the trailer swung across a couple lanes and almost jackknifed. Driver did a great job of getting it straightened back out so kudos to him! That was a long ass stressful drive back home though. I was exhausted.",
">\n\nThis is why people would rush to the store to buy up things like eggs, bread, milk, butter, TP, paper towels, etc... Sure people always panic when it's just a little snow but overall, these types of storms are why.",
">\n\nAlso why it's good to have some canned/dried goods. I keep about 4-5 days worth of soups, canned goods, rice, ramen, clean it out every once in a while if it doesn't get used. It's not costly either, that stuff is fairly cheap. \nBut man, this is pretty crazy. I think the most I've ever been trapped (no driving ban, just felt safe to leave) was 3 days in 2010 for \"Snowmaggedon\", these poor folks are almost going on a week.",
">\n\nYou keep 4-5 days worth?... I feel like I may be a hoarder if 4-5 days is considered a good amount.",
">\n\n4-5 days worth of food is nothing. I live in Louisiana and that’s the bare minimum in my opinion.",
">\n\nI'm pretty sure we have a month's worth of food all combined. Lots of dried beans and rice too. For me, it's to be prepared, and because of the poverty I've experienced, where all my food was from the food bank.",
">\n\nThat's very smart. Dried beans and rice are heaven when you have ZERO access. People don't understand that. it's not about what you want to eat in a disaster, its about eating high caloric/protein meals and staying adequately 'full', or, at the very least, having enough food to have some energy output.",
">\n\nAnother thing is maintaining a more positive mental state. When you don't meet the daily nutritive threshold it can mess with your head. Bad thought loops are the last thing you need in a natural disaster.",
">\n\nThis is 100 why I keep 'mental health food' in my pantry. A chocolate bar. Liquid IVs. Canned fruit. Stuff I know will boost me when I'm low. It helped so much during Ida.",
">\n\nEvery business that stayed open and didn't give their employees the option to stay home should be prosecuted. These people would t have been out in this if it wasn't for fear of losing their jobs. It's disgusting.",
">\n\nToo bad our elected officials don't represent their constituents' interests. Or rather they consider the businesses their constuents, rather than the voters.",
">\n\n\nOr rather they consider the businesses their constituents, rather than the voters.\n\nConservatives make no secret at all about this, and their voters are very straightforward about valuing business owners over regular people.",
">\n\nIt's not just conservatives, sadly. Both parties represent corporations over human beings.",
">\n\nTrue, but conservatives have turned the \"small business owner\" into an identity that they leverage against anybody who might need any sort of govt protections; the narrative is always that JimBob's Tire Emporium will go under if he has to pay over $8/hour or offer insurance. They all see themselves as JimBob. It's a really good trick.\nDems are for sure corrupt and support a lot of corporate agenda items but they campaign on individual wage and debt issues and do actually pass legislation. They're less psychopathic.",
">\n\nAnd yet conservative's talk about small business that way, but vote every damn time to make sure that larger companies get advantages - and those small businesses fail.",
">\n\nSo do Dems. Follow the money, both parties are propped up by the foulest industries and that isn't even considering dark money and super PACS.",
">\n\nI do, but I also look at the voting records. We need to get more people to run under \"Working Families\"that arent just \"better than the worse\" of the democrats.",
">\n\nLowes doesn't care. Still forcing employees to come in",
">\n\nI recently learned from a former Lowe’s employee that they have some sort of agreement with the government to be considered essential so that people and emergency services can get generators and equipment from them",
">\n\njesus, that's a lot of fucking snow \nlooking at that i'm having a mild ptsd from the four straight days of shoveling/blowing last week here in northern WI",
">\n\nHi fellow Northwoods resident!\nThe blow snow is the worst part. Stupid snow drifts. \nAlthough. My subdivision went from an open field to a street full of houses this summer. So the drifting is down considerably.",
">\n\nWyoming enters the chat Someone talking about snowdrifts? The jackalopes have it tough this year.",
">\n\nJesus I saw that Cheyenne dropped 32 degrees in temp in 10 minutes. That is seriously insane weather.",
">\n\nIt was awesome! \nDay after tomorrow quotes for a week! \nWe never lost power so it was a win. What's funny is that it was around 25 this morning. Still wearing short sleeve shirts after the last frost. It was crazy! Hope y'all are safe.",
">\n\nOne wonders if there is a list of missing people and if so, how long the list is",
">\n\nI saw a fucked up video of people coming across someone frozen on the ground.",
">\n\nThat's cold asf",
">\n\nYeah both what they were saying and acting and the fact the person froze to death.",
">\n\nI once slept outside in 5 to 10 degree weather, I hope all the homeless got somewhere warm.",
">\n\n\"Poloncarz, a Democrat, called the blizzard \"the worst storm probably in our lifetime,\" even for an area known for heavy snow. More bodies are expected to be found as the snow is cleared or melts.\" \nWtf does their political affiliation have to do with anything? \n\"Jeff here, who loves cheese, was devastated when his wife was unable to be rescued from her car\".",
">\n\nPeople need to know if they should agree or disagree with the statement about the storm.",
">\n\nWhat?!? He’s a democrat? \nThat’s all I needed to hear to know that this definitely was NOT the worst storm in the city’s history, typical democrat fear mongering.\nTheres no more bodies to find, but I’m sure the democrats will claim they found more bodies just to justify more government spending. They’ll be counting people that died 3 weeks ago as storm deaths. They count bodies the same way they count votes for Biden. LGB!!\n/s",
">\n\nRemenber: whatever out there isn't worth your life",
">\n\nWell said, just chill at your home safely till the storm reduces",
">\n\nMany houses do not have power and people are trying to get to the safety of a community shelter.",
">\n\nThis is true as well",
">\n\nI’m in buffalo we had no power for 74 hours and needed gas to run a generator to stay warm, to survive you have to make choices. There wasn’t even 911 services for the entire city for days.",
">\n\nIt's insane to me they announced no emergency services. It was like 48 hours. All the bodegas near me on the west side got robbed, pretty crazy.",
">\n\nIt is insane, and public services have to warn people and risk the looting. The government is a construct that's a failure when its needed lately. It's not going to get any better either...",
">\n\nThis is not the time to play on the roads, so stay off them",
">\n\nKind of hard to do that if you live in your car.",
">\n\nmy hometown 💔 my sister is still snowed in and had to walk to wegmans to try and get supplies. i really wish i could help",
">\n\nDoesn't help homeless people who have no choice.",
">\n\nMeanwhile, Starbucks etc. demanding to know why employees aren't clocked in",
">\n\nI happened to have my plans messed up from the weather, so I was chillin solo on Xmas. I couldn’t believe my local Starbucks was open. Give em a day, Jeaz! No one is missing Starbucks that day.",
">\n\nRight?\nI mean, it's one thing to be open on a holiday in a busy travel area, especially if you have staff who celebrate other holidays -- but floods, shootings, blizzards, holidays (where it's not necessary or at not busy stores). Pretty sure there is something in the \"How to Be Corporate\" manual that demands stores be open in the most ridiculous situations without exception; in fact, that more ridiculous the more critical it is for the store to be fully staffed :/",
">\n\nFor the people looking in from outside the area, the people of WNY take pride in being able to survive storms with minimal disruption. And remember that we just got thru a monumental storm just before thanksgiving. But unless you are at least 55 yrs old you can’t really remember conditions like those of last week. It was on a whole different level and all the local weatherman warnings about it’s impending severity couldn’t convince a large number of the population. The fact that they hype up a normal lake effect snow storm every 10 days may have played a small part in people disregarding the warnings but that’s a whole other conversation.",
">\n\nThe size of the Low and the massive pressure gradient between it and the cold high behind it was absolutely nuts.",
">\n\n\"but you're still coming in for your shift, right?\" - management",
">\n\nThese managers and store owners should be prosecuted and go to jail.",
">\n\nI'm looking forward to the several lawsuits from employees over their bosses making them show up to work.",
">\n\nThe people at those jobs don't have the means to sue. And if they do the company will stretch it out requiring court appearances but the employee doesn't have that many sick and vacation days so they either show up and lose their job or give up. People can't go that long without work to fight back against the evil bastards. The only chance is a large class action or if the business gets enough bad publicity that they settle.",
">\n\nSo did folks stock up on supplies before this thing hit? If you can't drive you can't get to the grocery store or pharmacy.",
">\n\nThis is why they say you should have 2 weeks worth of non-perishable food at home at all times. Even if it's just soup or pasta. Because there will come a time when you're stuck for several days and everything is shut down. I know it sucks because so many are living paycheck to paycheck, but it's important to have that little stash of food (and medicine).",
">\n\nExactly. Everyone should have an emergency kit.",
">\n\nYou know how bad it is after you learn Buffalo is a place that is no stranger to snow, cold snaps and blizzards.",
">\n\nMy mum couldn’t understand why there have been so many deaths and as someone who’s only been following the situation from a distance I couldn’t really give her a confident answer. Are people dying from being caught in the blizzard outside? Are they trapped inside with no heating or supplies and succumbing to the cold? Is it primarily elderly people? Was this storm foreseen and were people warned to be prepared?",
">\n\nThe snow was so bad, people got stuck on the road. For over 24 hours there were NO emergency services available because ALL their vehicles were stuck. People froze to death or died from carbon monoxide b/c they ran their motors for heat.\nWe has sustained 75mph winds on Friday that immediately knock power out, and heat for those without gas. Water pipes broke. Fires. People became disoriented walking & just fell over & died. The snow was heavy, so shoveling caused heart attacks.\nNo one could prepare us for this. I have lived in the Buffalo area for 54 years. I have seen storms, but not like this.",
">\n\nWe have gas heat but it’s forced air so no power= no heat. (Luckily we only had power flicker a few times- houses down the street lost power). \nI said elsewhere- I’ve never been in a situation where we were told “no emergency services- you’re on your own”. Maybe it happened in ‘77 but I was 5 then and I honestly don’t remember the storm.",
">\n\nI was 9 in '77 so I don't remember a lot either. I was also in Chautauqua county then & like this storm, it wasn't as bad down there. \nI am in Southtowns now. I agree 100% that this is a storm like no other in my lifetime. First the 5+ feet of snow a couple weeks ago, now this.\nWe were lucky too. I am SO GLAD you survived!🙏 Too many sad stories that didn't need to happen, and on Christmas no less. Peace & Go Bills!",
">\n\nThis is exactly why I hate snow. I know it's fun to ski and make snowmen and have snow ball fights. It's when you have to clear the snow due to it hindering something or drive in it, deaths result.",
">\n\nNo hair, our skin hurts in low temps, Our noses dont work under low humidity. For all intents and purposes, humans aren't meant to live in the cold.",
">\n\nEmployers:”Walk your ass to work. I’ll see you when the snow dies down because I took vacation.”",
">\n\nSome of those dead must be chili's managers who blew a blood vessel screaming at min wage workers that this storm \" wasn't that bad\" and \" we are going to be crazy busy\"",
">\n\n\"Well yes, but can you still come in? We're short-staffed. Be a team player! It's only a bit of snow!\"",
">\n\nBiggest issue people don’t understand; when you “have to” go to a store or run an errand and you get into an accident, you call 911.\nThose first responders shouldn’t be dealing with you right now, they should be trying to rescue any trapped victims that might still be alive.\nStop being selfish, stay off the roads and if you actually need something, ask neighbors for help, pool your resources and become a better community while others are given a chance to survive.",
">\n\nEmergency services were turned off for 2 days during the storm. The city was completely inaccessible so if you get into an accident you're on your own. My street (a main street in the heart of the west side) had a snow drift as high a stoplight blocking all access. Down the way was an abandoned semitruck blocking the entire road as well as other abandoned cars sprinkled across the landscape. The whole city was like this.",
">\n\nStill there will be a lot of people who think the ban doesn't apply to them because they have to go see grandma.",
">\n\nOr they're homeless and don't have anywhere else to go",
">\n\nHopefully people stay off the roads, bc this is no time to play",
">\n\nI still don't know anyone personally who has been ticketed for driving during the ban. I think they should automatically ticket every car that was abandoned on a bus route and let the owner explain why they were driving during the ban to determine if they have to pay the fine. People will not obey laws if there's no enforcement.\nPayloaders came down my street last night (Tuesday), so I was able to drive to ECMC to pick up my wife, but on my way there, a friend of mine texted me \"we're at the bar if you want to swing by\". Considering that the bartender had to drive in from Tonawanda, that bar should have been closed.",
">\n\nWonder how many people did it anyways in the name of “muh freedom” then ran to an already overworked emergency room when their stupidity backfired",
">\n\nEmergency Room? Nobody could get to the hospital and there were no ambulances",
">\n\nNewspapers had a combination of revenue. Income from subscribers and newsboxes proved their circulation which helped them sell ads. When people stopped paying for the paper they were also no longer eyeballs for the ads. And the fact that they paid to read in the first place contributes to the investment each party has in the advertiser, publication, readership relationship. \nBasic news reporting is worth every penny you pay, and even subscribing you should still look at every article critically for spin. Anyone who gives it to you free has an angle of their own.\nEdited to add: my parents subscribed to papers. I just read the headlines.",
">\n\nI worked at a small town paper with circulation about 30k (weekend) and we had about $12k daily revenue from classifieds ads that vaporized when craigslist came. Went from 10-14 pages of classifieds to half a page. Classifieds subsidized a lot of the paper.",
">\n\nYeah, competition for eyeballs went way way up in the digital age where investment costs are so so low compared to physical media overhead",
">\n\nIt's honestly really sad, that paper employed probably 100-150 ppl when i was there and now it does not exist on a local level.. there are some freelance reporters and photogs who submit stories but everything else is handled on a national level - there's a customer service call center, photo color correction is a central department for hundreds of papers, etc. They contract the press work to another larger paper and the delivery is handled by 1099 contractors. Local news barely exists anymore.",
">\n\nDriving ban? Where are the “my Freedumbs” people when you need them? This is unconstitutional! This is an overreach of government! Unbelievable! \n/s",
">\n\nAny good american would have taken out their AR15 and shot the blizzard..\n/s",
">\n\nI got DOWNVOTED for SARCASM!?! \nFuck you Reddit! lol :-)",
">\n\nTired of the \"muh freedumb\" constant complainers... I really feel bad for the common sense people of the area. Same people, \"why do weather forecasters always speak in sensationalism and hyperbole?\"",
">\n\nNo protests about government overreach?",
">\n\nIsn't it about to be warm again. Wondr8ng how much of this snow will melt with a few days above freezing and rain",
">\n\nThey’re already trying to warn people who live in known flooding areas.",
">\n\nThere are homes still without power, and people have died waiting for emergency personnel, but if you try to travel to a warm home or a hospital yourself, they'll sic the cops on you.",
">\n\nhow did they die? stuck in their cars?",
">\n\nYet another example of how shitty America's car-centric infrastructure is.",
">\n\nWow! Maybe national guard takes orders from homes and delivers them so that people don’t have to leave house out of desperation!! Wow!",
">\n\nNo driving... But is my snowmobile good to go? How about my Ranger on tracks? I feel like people that have proper modes of transportation for the region should get a pass."
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"31 deaths is crazy… stay safe out there!",
">\n\nI'm in Ohio and had to be the bad guy to my in-laws by saying we weren't coming to Christmas Eve, then they called the next day and said it took them an hour to drive 10 minutes home from the dinner we skipped and how dangerous it was. \nSome people gotta touch an oven to see if it's hot when you tell them ¯\\ಠಠ_/¯",
">\n\nAlso in Ohio. Called out of work the day of the storm even though it was only a 15 min drive away. Roads were still not cleared fully 2 days later.",
">\n\nI called out on Friday, I do not like my job enough to risk my life for it, especially during the holiday rush.",
">\n\nDon't get me wrong. My job is great and it pays well. But money is money and it'll cost a lot more for my loved ones to arrange my funeral than it would for me to miss a day of work.",
">\n\nI’m in BC where we got hit pretty bad last week, and my ethos was, “I get paid less in a day than my car insurance deductible costs”",
">\n\nHaha I’m gonna remember this",
">\n\nEmergency services were turned off for 2 days during the storm. The city was completely inaccessible so if you get into an accident you're on your own. My street (a main street in the heart of the west side) had a snow drift as high a stoplight blocking all access. Down the way was an abandoned semitruck blocking the entire road as well as other abandoned cars sprinkled across the landscape completely buried in snow. Trees fallen everywhere too. The whole city was like this.\nI knew it was going to be bad but this one was BAD",
">\n\nYou’ve been hit hard twice and it’s only December. Do you think about moving? Just curious. I live in Maine but come from Rochester NY and I don’t think I could deal with that level of disaster anymore.",
">\n\nGrew up in Rochester as well, moved to Southern Louisiana to get away from the snow. In the 90's I got cuaght several times on the stretch of 90 between Buffalo and Erie and wasn't sure I'd make it home. The snow through there is crazy, I would just follow a semi at a distance and if he went off the road I knew to stop.",
">\n\ndriving around with Semi-traction can be a bit dangerous sometimes.",
">\n\nIf they've got a full load they do better than cars and have more experienced drivers so I follow them too. But with an empty trailer they're screwed in high winds. I was thinking of passing one in Chicago snowstorm but the back drifted just a bit so I slowed down and kept back. Sure enough a few minutes later a gust caught him and the trailer swung across a couple lanes and almost jackknifed. Driver did a great job of getting it straightened back out so kudos to him! That was a long ass stressful drive back home though. I was exhausted.",
">\n\nThis is why people would rush to the store to buy up things like eggs, bread, milk, butter, TP, paper towels, etc... Sure people always panic when it's just a little snow but overall, these types of storms are why.",
">\n\nAlso why it's good to have some canned/dried goods. I keep about 4-5 days worth of soups, canned goods, rice, ramen, clean it out every once in a while if it doesn't get used. It's not costly either, that stuff is fairly cheap. \nBut man, this is pretty crazy. I think the most I've ever been trapped (no driving ban, just felt safe to leave) was 3 days in 2010 for \"Snowmaggedon\", these poor folks are almost going on a week.",
">\n\nYou keep 4-5 days worth?... I feel like I may be a hoarder if 4-5 days is considered a good amount.",
">\n\n4-5 days worth of food is nothing. I live in Louisiana and that’s the bare minimum in my opinion.",
">\n\nI'm pretty sure we have a month's worth of food all combined. Lots of dried beans and rice too. For me, it's to be prepared, and because of the poverty I've experienced, where all my food was from the food bank.",
">\n\nThat's very smart. Dried beans and rice are heaven when you have ZERO access. People don't understand that. it's not about what you want to eat in a disaster, its about eating high caloric/protein meals and staying adequately 'full', or, at the very least, having enough food to have some energy output.",
">\n\nAnother thing is maintaining a more positive mental state. When you don't meet the daily nutritive threshold it can mess with your head. Bad thought loops are the last thing you need in a natural disaster.",
">\n\nThis is 100 why I keep 'mental health food' in my pantry. A chocolate bar. Liquid IVs. Canned fruit. Stuff I know will boost me when I'm low. It helped so much during Ida.",
">\n\nEvery business that stayed open and didn't give their employees the option to stay home should be prosecuted. These people would t have been out in this if it wasn't for fear of losing their jobs. It's disgusting.",
">\n\nToo bad our elected officials don't represent their constituents' interests. Or rather they consider the businesses their constuents, rather than the voters.",
">\n\n\nOr rather they consider the businesses their constituents, rather than the voters.\n\nConservatives make no secret at all about this, and their voters are very straightforward about valuing business owners over regular people.",
">\n\nIt's not just conservatives, sadly. Both parties represent corporations over human beings.",
">\n\nTrue, but conservatives have turned the \"small business owner\" into an identity that they leverage against anybody who might need any sort of govt protections; the narrative is always that JimBob's Tire Emporium will go under if he has to pay over $8/hour or offer insurance. They all see themselves as JimBob. It's a really good trick.\nDems are for sure corrupt and support a lot of corporate agenda items but they campaign on individual wage and debt issues and do actually pass legislation. They're less psychopathic.",
">\n\nAnd yet conservative's talk about small business that way, but vote every damn time to make sure that larger companies get advantages - and those small businesses fail.",
">\n\nSo do Dems. Follow the money, both parties are propped up by the foulest industries and that isn't even considering dark money and super PACS.",
">\n\nI do, but I also look at the voting records. We need to get more people to run under \"Working Families\"that arent just \"better than the worse\" of the democrats.",
">\n\nLowes doesn't care. Still forcing employees to come in",
">\n\nI recently learned from a former Lowe’s employee that they have some sort of agreement with the government to be considered essential so that people and emergency services can get generators and equipment from them",
">\n\njesus, that's a lot of fucking snow \nlooking at that i'm having a mild ptsd from the four straight days of shoveling/blowing last week here in northern WI",
">\n\nHi fellow Northwoods resident!\nThe blow snow is the worst part. Stupid snow drifts. \nAlthough. My subdivision went from an open field to a street full of houses this summer. So the drifting is down considerably.",
">\n\nWyoming enters the chat Someone talking about snowdrifts? The jackalopes have it tough this year.",
">\n\nJesus I saw that Cheyenne dropped 32 degrees in temp in 10 minutes. That is seriously insane weather.",
">\n\nIt was awesome! \nDay after tomorrow quotes for a week! \nWe never lost power so it was a win. What's funny is that it was around 25 this morning. Still wearing short sleeve shirts after the last frost. It was crazy! Hope y'all are safe.",
">\n\nOne wonders if there is a list of missing people and if so, how long the list is",
">\n\nI saw a fucked up video of people coming across someone frozen on the ground.",
">\n\nThat's cold asf",
">\n\nYeah both what they were saying and acting and the fact the person froze to death.",
">\n\nI once slept outside in 5 to 10 degree weather, I hope all the homeless got somewhere warm.",
">\n\n\"Poloncarz, a Democrat, called the blizzard \"the worst storm probably in our lifetime,\" even for an area known for heavy snow. More bodies are expected to be found as the snow is cleared or melts.\" \nWtf does their political affiliation have to do with anything? \n\"Jeff here, who loves cheese, was devastated when his wife was unable to be rescued from her car\".",
">\n\nPeople need to know if they should agree or disagree with the statement about the storm.",
">\n\nWhat?!? He’s a democrat? \nThat’s all I needed to hear to know that this definitely was NOT the worst storm in the city’s history, typical democrat fear mongering.\nTheres no more bodies to find, but I’m sure the democrats will claim they found more bodies just to justify more government spending. They’ll be counting people that died 3 weeks ago as storm deaths. They count bodies the same way they count votes for Biden. LGB!!\n/s",
">\n\nRemenber: whatever out there isn't worth your life",
">\n\nWell said, just chill at your home safely till the storm reduces",
">\n\nMany houses do not have power and people are trying to get to the safety of a community shelter.",
">\n\nThis is true as well",
">\n\nI’m in buffalo we had no power for 74 hours and needed gas to run a generator to stay warm, to survive you have to make choices. There wasn’t even 911 services for the entire city for days.",
">\n\nIt's insane to me they announced no emergency services. It was like 48 hours. All the bodegas near me on the west side got robbed, pretty crazy.",
">\n\nIt is insane, and public services have to warn people and risk the looting. The government is a construct that's a failure when its needed lately. It's not going to get any better either...",
">\n\nThis is not the time to play on the roads, so stay off them",
">\n\nKind of hard to do that if you live in your car.",
">\n\nmy hometown 💔 my sister is still snowed in and had to walk to wegmans to try and get supplies. i really wish i could help",
">\n\nDoesn't help homeless people who have no choice.",
">\n\nMeanwhile, Starbucks etc. demanding to know why employees aren't clocked in",
">\n\nI happened to have my plans messed up from the weather, so I was chillin solo on Xmas. I couldn’t believe my local Starbucks was open. Give em a day, Jeaz! No one is missing Starbucks that day.",
">\n\nRight?\nI mean, it's one thing to be open on a holiday in a busy travel area, especially if you have staff who celebrate other holidays -- but floods, shootings, blizzards, holidays (where it's not necessary or at not busy stores). Pretty sure there is something in the \"How to Be Corporate\" manual that demands stores be open in the most ridiculous situations without exception; in fact, that more ridiculous the more critical it is for the store to be fully staffed :/",
">\n\nFor the people looking in from outside the area, the people of WNY take pride in being able to survive storms with minimal disruption. And remember that we just got thru a monumental storm just before thanksgiving. But unless you are at least 55 yrs old you can’t really remember conditions like those of last week. It was on a whole different level and all the local weatherman warnings about it’s impending severity couldn’t convince a large number of the population. The fact that they hype up a normal lake effect snow storm every 10 days may have played a small part in people disregarding the warnings but that’s a whole other conversation.",
">\n\nThe size of the Low and the massive pressure gradient between it and the cold high behind it was absolutely nuts.",
">\n\n\"but you're still coming in for your shift, right?\" - management",
">\n\nThese managers and store owners should be prosecuted and go to jail.",
">\n\nI'm looking forward to the several lawsuits from employees over their bosses making them show up to work.",
">\n\nThe people at those jobs don't have the means to sue. And if they do the company will stretch it out requiring court appearances but the employee doesn't have that many sick and vacation days so they either show up and lose their job or give up. People can't go that long without work to fight back against the evil bastards. The only chance is a large class action or if the business gets enough bad publicity that they settle.",
">\n\nSo did folks stock up on supplies before this thing hit? If you can't drive you can't get to the grocery store or pharmacy.",
">\n\nThis is why they say you should have 2 weeks worth of non-perishable food at home at all times. Even if it's just soup or pasta. Because there will come a time when you're stuck for several days and everything is shut down. I know it sucks because so many are living paycheck to paycheck, but it's important to have that little stash of food (and medicine).",
">\n\nExactly. Everyone should have an emergency kit.",
">\n\nYou know how bad it is after you learn Buffalo is a place that is no stranger to snow, cold snaps and blizzards.",
">\n\nMy mum couldn’t understand why there have been so many deaths and as someone who’s only been following the situation from a distance I couldn’t really give her a confident answer. Are people dying from being caught in the blizzard outside? Are they trapped inside with no heating or supplies and succumbing to the cold? Is it primarily elderly people? Was this storm foreseen and were people warned to be prepared?",
">\n\nThe snow was so bad, people got stuck on the road. For over 24 hours there were NO emergency services available because ALL their vehicles were stuck. People froze to death or died from carbon monoxide b/c they ran their motors for heat.\nWe has sustained 75mph winds on Friday that immediately knock power out, and heat for those without gas. Water pipes broke. Fires. People became disoriented walking & just fell over & died. The snow was heavy, so shoveling caused heart attacks.\nNo one could prepare us for this. I have lived in the Buffalo area for 54 years. I have seen storms, but not like this.",
">\n\nWe have gas heat but it’s forced air so no power= no heat. (Luckily we only had power flicker a few times- houses down the street lost power). \nI said elsewhere- I’ve never been in a situation where we were told “no emergency services- you’re on your own”. Maybe it happened in ‘77 but I was 5 then and I honestly don’t remember the storm.",
">\n\nI was 9 in '77 so I don't remember a lot either. I was also in Chautauqua county then & like this storm, it wasn't as bad down there. \nI am in Southtowns now. I agree 100% that this is a storm like no other in my lifetime. First the 5+ feet of snow a couple weeks ago, now this.\nWe were lucky too. I am SO GLAD you survived!🙏 Too many sad stories that didn't need to happen, and on Christmas no less. Peace & Go Bills!",
">\n\nThis is exactly why I hate snow. I know it's fun to ski and make snowmen and have snow ball fights. It's when you have to clear the snow due to it hindering something or drive in it, deaths result.",
">\n\nNo hair, our skin hurts in low temps, Our noses dont work under low humidity. For all intents and purposes, humans aren't meant to live in the cold.",
">\n\nEmployers:”Walk your ass to work. I’ll see you when the snow dies down because I took vacation.”",
">\n\nSome of those dead must be chili's managers who blew a blood vessel screaming at min wage workers that this storm \" wasn't that bad\" and \" we are going to be crazy busy\"",
">\n\n\"Well yes, but can you still come in? We're short-staffed. Be a team player! It's only a bit of snow!\"",
">\n\nBiggest issue people don’t understand; when you “have to” go to a store or run an errand and you get into an accident, you call 911.\nThose first responders shouldn’t be dealing with you right now, they should be trying to rescue any trapped victims that might still be alive.\nStop being selfish, stay off the roads and if you actually need something, ask neighbors for help, pool your resources and become a better community while others are given a chance to survive.",
">\n\nEmergency services were turned off for 2 days during the storm. The city was completely inaccessible so if you get into an accident you're on your own. My street (a main street in the heart of the west side) had a snow drift as high a stoplight blocking all access. Down the way was an abandoned semitruck blocking the entire road as well as other abandoned cars sprinkled across the landscape. The whole city was like this.",
">\n\nStill there will be a lot of people who think the ban doesn't apply to them because they have to go see grandma.",
">\n\nOr they're homeless and don't have anywhere else to go",
">\n\nHopefully people stay off the roads, bc this is no time to play",
">\n\nI still don't know anyone personally who has been ticketed for driving during the ban. I think they should automatically ticket every car that was abandoned on a bus route and let the owner explain why they were driving during the ban to determine if they have to pay the fine. People will not obey laws if there's no enforcement.\nPayloaders came down my street last night (Tuesday), so I was able to drive to ECMC to pick up my wife, but on my way there, a friend of mine texted me \"we're at the bar if you want to swing by\". Considering that the bartender had to drive in from Tonawanda, that bar should have been closed.",
">\n\nWonder how many people did it anyways in the name of “muh freedom” then ran to an already overworked emergency room when their stupidity backfired",
">\n\nEmergency Room? Nobody could get to the hospital and there were no ambulances",
">\n\nNewspapers had a combination of revenue. Income from subscribers and newsboxes proved their circulation which helped them sell ads. When people stopped paying for the paper they were also no longer eyeballs for the ads. And the fact that they paid to read in the first place contributes to the investment each party has in the advertiser, publication, readership relationship. \nBasic news reporting is worth every penny you pay, and even subscribing you should still look at every article critically for spin. Anyone who gives it to you free has an angle of their own.\nEdited to add: my parents subscribed to papers. I just read the headlines.",
">\n\nI worked at a small town paper with circulation about 30k (weekend) and we had about $12k daily revenue from classifieds ads that vaporized when craigslist came. Went from 10-14 pages of classifieds to half a page. Classifieds subsidized a lot of the paper.",
">\n\nYeah, competition for eyeballs went way way up in the digital age where investment costs are so so low compared to physical media overhead",
">\n\nIt's honestly really sad, that paper employed probably 100-150 ppl when i was there and now it does not exist on a local level.. there are some freelance reporters and photogs who submit stories but everything else is handled on a national level - there's a customer service call center, photo color correction is a central department for hundreds of papers, etc. They contract the press work to another larger paper and the delivery is handled by 1099 contractors. Local news barely exists anymore.",
">\n\nDriving ban? Where are the “my Freedumbs” people when you need them? This is unconstitutional! This is an overreach of government! Unbelievable! \n/s",
">\n\nAny good american would have taken out their AR15 and shot the blizzard..\n/s",
">\n\nI got DOWNVOTED for SARCASM!?! \nFuck you Reddit! lol :-)",
">\n\nTired of the \"muh freedumb\" constant complainers... I really feel bad for the common sense people of the area. Same people, \"why do weather forecasters always speak in sensationalism and hyperbole?\"",
">\n\nNo protests about government overreach?",
">\n\nIsn't it about to be warm again. Wondr8ng how much of this snow will melt with a few days above freezing and rain",
">\n\nThey’re already trying to warn people who live in known flooding areas.",
">\n\nThere are homes still without power, and people have died waiting for emergency personnel, but if you try to travel to a warm home or a hospital yourself, they'll sic the cops on you.",
">\n\nhow did they die? stuck in their cars?",
">\n\nYet another example of how shitty America's car-centric infrastructure is.",
">\n\nWow! Maybe national guard takes orders from homes and delivers them so that people don’t have to leave house out of desperation!! Wow!",
">\n\nNo driving... But is my snowmobile good to go? How about my Ranger on tracks? I feel like people that have proper modes of transportation for the region should get a pass.",
">\n\nplows were getting stuck"
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They’re not blamed for the weather event but how they react to it.
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"31 deaths is crazy… stay safe out there!",
">\n\nI'm in Ohio and had to be the bad guy to my in-laws by saying we weren't coming to Christmas Eve, then they called the next day and said it took them an hour to drive 10 minutes home from the dinner we skipped and how dangerous it was. \nSome people gotta touch an oven to see if it's hot when you tell them ¯\\ಠಠ_/¯",
">\n\nAlso in Ohio. Called out of work the day of the storm even though it was only a 15 min drive away. Roads were still not cleared fully 2 days later.",
">\n\nI called out on Friday, I do not like my job enough to risk my life for it, especially during the holiday rush.",
">\n\nDon't get me wrong. My job is great and it pays well. But money is money and it'll cost a lot more for my loved ones to arrange my funeral than it would for me to miss a day of work.",
">\n\nI’m in BC where we got hit pretty bad last week, and my ethos was, “I get paid less in a day than my car insurance deductible costs”",
">\n\nHaha I’m gonna remember this",
">\n\nEmergency services were turned off for 2 days during the storm. The city was completely inaccessible so if you get into an accident you're on your own. My street (a main street in the heart of the west side) had a snow drift as high a stoplight blocking all access. Down the way was an abandoned semitruck blocking the entire road as well as other abandoned cars sprinkled across the landscape completely buried in snow. Trees fallen everywhere too. The whole city was like this.\nI knew it was going to be bad but this one was BAD",
">\n\nYou’ve been hit hard twice and it’s only December. Do you think about moving? Just curious. I live in Maine but come from Rochester NY and I don’t think I could deal with that level of disaster anymore.",
">\n\nGrew up in Rochester as well, moved to Southern Louisiana to get away from the snow. In the 90's I got cuaght several times on the stretch of 90 between Buffalo and Erie and wasn't sure I'd make it home. The snow through there is crazy, I would just follow a semi at a distance and if he went off the road I knew to stop.",
">\n\ndriving around with Semi-traction can be a bit dangerous sometimes.",
">\n\nIf they've got a full load they do better than cars and have more experienced drivers so I follow them too. But with an empty trailer they're screwed in high winds. I was thinking of passing one in Chicago snowstorm but the back drifted just a bit so I slowed down and kept back. Sure enough a few minutes later a gust caught him and the trailer swung across a couple lanes and almost jackknifed. Driver did a great job of getting it straightened back out so kudos to him! That was a long ass stressful drive back home though. I was exhausted.",
">\n\nThis is why people would rush to the store to buy up things like eggs, bread, milk, butter, TP, paper towels, etc... Sure people always panic when it's just a little snow but overall, these types of storms are why.",
">\n\nAlso why it's good to have some canned/dried goods. I keep about 4-5 days worth of soups, canned goods, rice, ramen, clean it out every once in a while if it doesn't get used. It's not costly either, that stuff is fairly cheap. \nBut man, this is pretty crazy. I think the most I've ever been trapped (no driving ban, just felt safe to leave) was 3 days in 2010 for \"Snowmaggedon\", these poor folks are almost going on a week.",
">\n\nYou keep 4-5 days worth?... I feel like I may be a hoarder if 4-5 days is considered a good amount.",
">\n\n4-5 days worth of food is nothing. I live in Louisiana and that’s the bare minimum in my opinion.",
">\n\nI'm pretty sure we have a month's worth of food all combined. Lots of dried beans and rice too. For me, it's to be prepared, and because of the poverty I've experienced, where all my food was from the food bank.",
">\n\nThat's very smart. Dried beans and rice are heaven when you have ZERO access. People don't understand that. it's not about what you want to eat in a disaster, its about eating high caloric/protein meals and staying adequately 'full', or, at the very least, having enough food to have some energy output.",
">\n\nAnother thing is maintaining a more positive mental state. When you don't meet the daily nutritive threshold it can mess with your head. Bad thought loops are the last thing you need in a natural disaster.",
">\n\nThis is 100 why I keep 'mental health food' in my pantry. A chocolate bar. Liquid IVs. Canned fruit. Stuff I know will boost me when I'm low. It helped so much during Ida.",
">\n\nEvery business that stayed open and didn't give their employees the option to stay home should be prosecuted. These people would t have been out in this if it wasn't for fear of losing their jobs. It's disgusting.",
">\n\nToo bad our elected officials don't represent their constituents' interests. Or rather they consider the businesses their constuents, rather than the voters.",
">\n\n\nOr rather they consider the businesses their constituents, rather than the voters.\n\nConservatives make no secret at all about this, and their voters are very straightforward about valuing business owners over regular people.",
">\n\nIt's not just conservatives, sadly. Both parties represent corporations over human beings.",
">\n\nTrue, but conservatives have turned the \"small business owner\" into an identity that they leverage against anybody who might need any sort of govt protections; the narrative is always that JimBob's Tire Emporium will go under if he has to pay over $8/hour or offer insurance. They all see themselves as JimBob. It's a really good trick.\nDems are for sure corrupt and support a lot of corporate agenda items but they campaign on individual wage and debt issues and do actually pass legislation. They're less psychopathic.",
">\n\nAnd yet conservative's talk about small business that way, but vote every damn time to make sure that larger companies get advantages - and those small businesses fail.",
">\n\nSo do Dems. Follow the money, both parties are propped up by the foulest industries and that isn't even considering dark money and super PACS.",
">\n\nI do, but I also look at the voting records. We need to get more people to run under \"Working Families\"that arent just \"better than the worse\" of the democrats.",
">\n\nLowes doesn't care. Still forcing employees to come in",
">\n\nI recently learned from a former Lowe’s employee that they have some sort of agreement with the government to be considered essential so that people and emergency services can get generators and equipment from them",
">\n\njesus, that's a lot of fucking snow \nlooking at that i'm having a mild ptsd from the four straight days of shoveling/blowing last week here in northern WI",
">\n\nHi fellow Northwoods resident!\nThe blow snow is the worst part. Stupid snow drifts. \nAlthough. My subdivision went from an open field to a street full of houses this summer. So the drifting is down considerably.",
">\n\nWyoming enters the chat Someone talking about snowdrifts? The jackalopes have it tough this year.",
">\n\nJesus I saw that Cheyenne dropped 32 degrees in temp in 10 minutes. That is seriously insane weather.",
">\n\nIt was awesome! \nDay after tomorrow quotes for a week! \nWe never lost power so it was a win. What's funny is that it was around 25 this morning. Still wearing short sleeve shirts after the last frost. It was crazy! Hope y'all are safe.",
">\n\nOne wonders if there is a list of missing people and if so, how long the list is",
">\n\nI saw a fucked up video of people coming across someone frozen on the ground.",
">\n\nThat's cold asf",
">\n\nYeah both what they were saying and acting and the fact the person froze to death.",
">\n\nI once slept outside in 5 to 10 degree weather, I hope all the homeless got somewhere warm.",
">\n\n\"Poloncarz, a Democrat, called the blizzard \"the worst storm probably in our lifetime,\" even for an area known for heavy snow. More bodies are expected to be found as the snow is cleared or melts.\" \nWtf does their political affiliation have to do with anything? \n\"Jeff here, who loves cheese, was devastated when his wife was unable to be rescued from her car\".",
">\n\nPeople need to know if they should agree or disagree with the statement about the storm.",
">\n\nWhat?!? He’s a democrat? \nThat’s all I needed to hear to know that this definitely was NOT the worst storm in the city’s history, typical democrat fear mongering.\nTheres no more bodies to find, but I’m sure the democrats will claim they found more bodies just to justify more government spending. They’ll be counting people that died 3 weeks ago as storm deaths. They count bodies the same way they count votes for Biden. LGB!!\n/s",
">\n\nRemenber: whatever out there isn't worth your life",
">\n\nWell said, just chill at your home safely till the storm reduces",
">\n\nMany houses do not have power and people are trying to get to the safety of a community shelter.",
">\n\nThis is true as well",
">\n\nI’m in buffalo we had no power for 74 hours and needed gas to run a generator to stay warm, to survive you have to make choices. There wasn’t even 911 services for the entire city for days.",
">\n\nIt's insane to me they announced no emergency services. It was like 48 hours. All the bodegas near me on the west side got robbed, pretty crazy.",
">\n\nIt is insane, and public services have to warn people and risk the looting. The government is a construct that's a failure when its needed lately. It's not going to get any better either...",
">\n\nThis is not the time to play on the roads, so stay off them",
">\n\nKind of hard to do that if you live in your car.",
">\n\nmy hometown 💔 my sister is still snowed in and had to walk to wegmans to try and get supplies. i really wish i could help",
">\n\nDoesn't help homeless people who have no choice.",
">\n\nMeanwhile, Starbucks etc. demanding to know why employees aren't clocked in",
">\n\nI happened to have my plans messed up from the weather, so I was chillin solo on Xmas. I couldn’t believe my local Starbucks was open. Give em a day, Jeaz! No one is missing Starbucks that day.",
">\n\nRight?\nI mean, it's one thing to be open on a holiday in a busy travel area, especially if you have staff who celebrate other holidays -- but floods, shootings, blizzards, holidays (where it's not necessary or at not busy stores). Pretty sure there is something in the \"How to Be Corporate\" manual that demands stores be open in the most ridiculous situations without exception; in fact, that more ridiculous the more critical it is for the store to be fully staffed :/",
">\n\nFor the people looking in from outside the area, the people of WNY take pride in being able to survive storms with minimal disruption. And remember that we just got thru a monumental storm just before thanksgiving. But unless you are at least 55 yrs old you can’t really remember conditions like those of last week. It was on a whole different level and all the local weatherman warnings about it’s impending severity couldn’t convince a large number of the population. The fact that they hype up a normal lake effect snow storm every 10 days may have played a small part in people disregarding the warnings but that’s a whole other conversation.",
">\n\nThe size of the Low and the massive pressure gradient between it and the cold high behind it was absolutely nuts.",
">\n\n\"but you're still coming in for your shift, right?\" - management",
">\n\nThese managers and store owners should be prosecuted and go to jail.",
">\n\nI'm looking forward to the several lawsuits from employees over their bosses making them show up to work.",
">\n\nThe people at those jobs don't have the means to sue. And if they do the company will stretch it out requiring court appearances but the employee doesn't have that many sick and vacation days so they either show up and lose their job or give up. People can't go that long without work to fight back against the evil bastards. The only chance is a large class action or if the business gets enough bad publicity that they settle.",
">\n\nSo did folks stock up on supplies before this thing hit? If you can't drive you can't get to the grocery store or pharmacy.",
">\n\nThis is why they say you should have 2 weeks worth of non-perishable food at home at all times. Even if it's just soup or pasta. Because there will come a time when you're stuck for several days and everything is shut down. I know it sucks because so many are living paycheck to paycheck, but it's important to have that little stash of food (and medicine).",
">\n\nExactly. Everyone should have an emergency kit.",
">\n\nYou know how bad it is after you learn Buffalo is a place that is no stranger to snow, cold snaps and blizzards.",
">\n\nMy mum couldn’t understand why there have been so many deaths and as someone who’s only been following the situation from a distance I couldn’t really give her a confident answer. Are people dying from being caught in the blizzard outside? Are they trapped inside with no heating or supplies and succumbing to the cold? Is it primarily elderly people? Was this storm foreseen and were people warned to be prepared?",
">\n\nThe snow was so bad, people got stuck on the road. For over 24 hours there were NO emergency services available because ALL their vehicles were stuck. People froze to death or died from carbon monoxide b/c they ran their motors for heat.\nWe has sustained 75mph winds on Friday that immediately knock power out, and heat for those without gas. Water pipes broke. Fires. People became disoriented walking & just fell over & died. The snow was heavy, so shoveling caused heart attacks.\nNo one could prepare us for this. I have lived in the Buffalo area for 54 years. I have seen storms, but not like this.",
">\n\nWe have gas heat but it’s forced air so no power= no heat. (Luckily we only had power flicker a few times- houses down the street lost power). \nI said elsewhere- I’ve never been in a situation where we were told “no emergency services- you’re on your own”. Maybe it happened in ‘77 but I was 5 then and I honestly don’t remember the storm.",
">\n\nI was 9 in '77 so I don't remember a lot either. I was also in Chautauqua county then & like this storm, it wasn't as bad down there. \nI am in Southtowns now. I agree 100% that this is a storm like no other in my lifetime. First the 5+ feet of snow a couple weeks ago, now this.\nWe were lucky too. I am SO GLAD you survived!🙏 Too many sad stories that didn't need to happen, and on Christmas no less. Peace & Go Bills!",
">\n\nThis is exactly why I hate snow. I know it's fun to ski and make snowmen and have snow ball fights. It's when you have to clear the snow due to it hindering something or drive in it, deaths result.",
">\n\nNo hair, our skin hurts in low temps, Our noses dont work under low humidity. For all intents and purposes, humans aren't meant to live in the cold.",
">\n\nEmployers:”Walk your ass to work. I’ll see you when the snow dies down because I took vacation.”",
">\n\nSome of those dead must be chili's managers who blew a blood vessel screaming at min wage workers that this storm \" wasn't that bad\" and \" we are going to be crazy busy\"",
">\n\n\"Well yes, but can you still come in? We're short-staffed. Be a team player! It's only a bit of snow!\"",
">\n\nBiggest issue people don’t understand; when you “have to” go to a store or run an errand and you get into an accident, you call 911.\nThose first responders shouldn’t be dealing with you right now, they should be trying to rescue any trapped victims that might still be alive.\nStop being selfish, stay off the roads and if you actually need something, ask neighbors for help, pool your resources and become a better community while others are given a chance to survive.",
">\n\nEmergency services were turned off for 2 days during the storm. The city was completely inaccessible so if you get into an accident you're on your own. My street (a main street in the heart of the west side) had a snow drift as high a stoplight blocking all access. Down the way was an abandoned semitruck blocking the entire road as well as other abandoned cars sprinkled across the landscape. The whole city was like this.",
">\n\nStill there will be a lot of people who think the ban doesn't apply to them because they have to go see grandma.",
">\n\nOr they're homeless and don't have anywhere else to go",
">\n\nHopefully people stay off the roads, bc this is no time to play",
">\n\nI still don't know anyone personally who has been ticketed for driving during the ban. I think they should automatically ticket every car that was abandoned on a bus route and let the owner explain why they were driving during the ban to determine if they have to pay the fine. People will not obey laws if there's no enforcement.\nPayloaders came down my street last night (Tuesday), so I was able to drive to ECMC to pick up my wife, but on my way there, a friend of mine texted me \"we're at the bar if you want to swing by\". Considering that the bartender had to drive in from Tonawanda, that bar should have been closed.",
">\n\nWonder how many people did it anyways in the name of “muh freedom” then ran to an already overworked emergency room when their stupidity backfired",
">\n\nEmergency Room? Nobody could get to the hospital and there were no ambulances",
">\n\nNewspapers had a combination of revenue. Income from subscribers and newsboxes proved their circulation which helped them sell ads. When people stopped paying for the paper they were also no longer eyeballs for the ads. And the fact that they paid to read in the first place contributes to the investment each party has in the advertiser, publication, readership relationship. \nBasic news reporting is worth every penny you pay, and even subscribing you should still look at every article critically for spin. Anyone who gives it to you free has an angle of their own.\nEdited to add: my parents subscribed to papers. I just read the headlines.",
">\n\nI worked at a small town paper with circulation about 30k (weekend) and we had about $12k daily revenue from classifieds ads that vaporized when craigslist came. Went from 10-14 pages of classifieds to half a page. Classifieds subsidized a lot of the paper.",
">\n\nYeah, competition for eyeballs went way way up in the digital age where investment costs are so so low compared to physical media overhead",
">\n\nIt's honestly really sad, that paper employed probably 100-150 ppl when i was there and now it does not exist on a local level.. there are some freelance reporters and photogs who submit stories but everything else is handled on a national level - there's a customer service call center, photo color correction is a central department for hundreds of papers, etc. They contract the press work to another larger paper and the delivery is handled by 1099 contractors. Local news barely exists anymore.",
">\n\nDriving ban? Where are the “my Freedumbs” people when you need them? This is unconstitutional! This is an overreach of government! Unbelievable! \n/s",
">\n\nAny good american would have taken out their AR15 and shot the blizzard..\n/s",
">\n\nI got DOWNVOTED for SARCASM!?! \nFuck you Reddit! lol :-)",
">\n\nTired of the \"muh freedumb\" constant complainers... I really feel bad for the common sense people of the area. Same people, \"why do weather forecasters always speak in sensationalism and hyperbole?\"",
">\n\nNo protests about government overreach?",
">\n\nIsn't it about to be warm again. Wondr8ng how much of this snow will melt with a few days above freezing and rain",
">\n\nThey’re already trying to warn people who live in known flooding areas.",
">\n\nThere are homes still without power, and people have died waiting for emergency personnel, but if you try to travel to a warm home or a hospital yourself, they'll sic the cops on you.",
">\n\nhow did they die? stuck in their cars?",
">\n\nYet another example of how shitty America's car-centric infrastructure is.",
">\n\nWow! Maybe national guard takes orders from homes and delivers them so that people don’t have to leave house out of desperation!! Wow!",
">\n\nNo driving... But is my snowmobile good to go? How about my Ranger on tracks? I feel like people that have proper modes of transportation for the region should get a pass.",
">\n\nplows were getting stuck",
">\n\nI guess we need to blame the governor and senators for this weather event. Or do we only do that in Texas"
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So how are officials in NY reacting to this? People still without power, cars and people stranded everywhere. Deathtoll still rising. I guess the governor only gets held accountable when he/she has an R next to their name.
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"31 deaths is crazy… stay safe out there!",
">\n\nI'm in Ohio and had to be the bad guy to my in-laws by saying we weren't coming to Christmas Eve, then they called the next day and said it took them an hour to drive 10 minutes home from the dinner we skipped and how dangerous it was. \nSome people gotta touch an oven to see if it's hot when you tell them ¯\\ಠಠ_/¯",
">\n\nAlso in Ohio. Called out of work the day of the storm even though it was only a 15 min drive away. Roads were still not cleared fully 2 days later.",
">\n\nI called out on Friday, I do not like my job enough to risk my life for it, especially during the holiday rush.",
">\n\nDon't get me wrong. My job is great and it pays well. But money is money and it'll cost a lot more for my loved ones to arrange my funeral than it would for me to miss a day of work.",
">\n\nI’m in BC where we got hit pretty bad last week, and my ethos was, “I get paid less in a day than my car insurance deductible costs”",
">\n\nHaha I’m gonna remember this",
">\n\nEmergency services were turned off for 2 days during the storm. The city was completely inaccessible so if you get into an accident you're on your own. My street (a main street in the heart of the west side) had a snow drift as high a stoplight blocking all access. Down the way was an abandoned semitruck blocking the entire road as well as other abandoned cars sprinkled across the landscape completely buried in snow. Trees fallen everywhere too. The whole city was like this.\nI knew it was going to be bad but this one was BAD",
">\n\nYou’ve been hit hard twice and it’s only December. Do you think about moving? Just curious. I live in Maine but come from Rochester NY and I don’t think I could deal with that level of disaster anymore.",
">\n\nGrew up in Rochester as well, moved to Southern Louisiana to get away from the snow. In the 90's I got cuaght several times on the stretch of 90 between Buffalo and Erie and wasn't sure I'd make it home. The snow through there is crazy, I would just follow a semi at a distance and if he went off the road I knew to stop.",
">\n\ndriving around with Semi-traction can be a bit dangerous sometimes.",
">\n\nIf they've got a full load they do better than cars and have more experienced drivers so I follow them too. But with an empty trailer they're screwed in high winds. I was thinking of passing one in Chicago snowstorm but the back drifted just a bit so I slowed down and kept back. Sure enough a few minutes later a gust caught him and the trailer swung across a couple lanes and almost jackknifed. Driver did a great job of getting it straightened back out so kudos to him! That was a long ass stressful drive back home though. I was exhausted.",
">\n\nThis is why people would rush to the store to buy up things like eggs, bread, milk, butter, TP, paper towels, etc... Sure people always panic when it's just a little snow but overall, these types of storms are why.",
">\n\nAlso why it's good to have some canned/dried goods. I keep about 4-5 days worth of soups, canned goods, rice, ramen, clean it out every once in a while if it doesn't get used. It's not costly either, that stuff is fairly cheap. \nBut man, this is pretty crazy. I think the most I've ever been trapped (no driving ban, just felt safe to leave) was 3 days in 2010 for \"Snowmaggedon\", these poor folks are almost going on a week.",
">\n\nYou keep 4-5 days worth?... I feel like I may be a hoarder if 4-5 days is considered a good amount.",
">\n\n4-5 days worth of food is nothing. I live in Louisiana and that’s the bare minimum in my opinion.",
">\n\nI'm pretty sure we have a month's worth of food all combined. Lots of dried beans and rice too. For me, it's to be prepared, and because of the poverty I've experienced, where all my food was from the food bank.",
">\n\nThat's very smart. Dried beans and rice are heaven when you have ZERO access. People don't understand that. it's not about what you want to eat in a disaster, its about eating high caloric/protein meals and staying adequately 'full', or, at the very least, having enough food to have some energy output.",
">\n\nAnother thing is maintaining a more positive mental state. When you don't meet the daily nutritive threshold it can mess with your head. Bad thought loops are the last thing you need in a natural disaster.",
">\n\nThis is 100 why I keep 'mental health food' in my pantry. A chocolate bar. Liquid IVs. Canned fruit. Stuff I know will boost me when I'm low. It helped so much during Ida.",
">\n\nEvery business that stayed open and didn't give their employees the option to stay home should be prosecuted. These people would t have been out in this if it wasn't for fear of losing their jobs. It's disgusting.",
">\n\nToo bad our elected officials don't represent their constituents' interests. Or rather they consider the businesses their constuents, rather than the voters.",
">\n\n\nOr rather they consider the businesses their constituents, rather than the voters.\n\nConservatives make no secret at all about this, and their voters are very straightforward about valuing business owners over regular people.",
">\n\nIt's not just conservatives, sadly. Both parties represent corporations over human beings.",
">\n\nTrue, but conservatives have turned the \"small business owner\" into an identity that they leverage against anybody who might need any sort of govt protections; the narrative is always that JimBob's Tire Emporium will go under if he has to pay over $8/hour or offer insurance. They all see themselves as JimBob. It's a really good trick.\nDems are for sure corrupt and support a lot of corporate agenda items but they campaign on individual wage and debt issues and do actually pass legislation. They're less psychopathic.",
">\n\nAnd yet conservative's talk about small business that way, but vote every damn time to make sure that larger companies get advantages - and those small businesses fail.",
">\n\nSo do Dems. Follow the money, both parties are propped up by the foulest industries and that isn't even considering dark money and super PACS.",
">\n\nI do, but I also look at the voting records. We need to get more people to run under \"Working Families\"that arent just \"better than the worse\" of the democrats.",
">\n\nLowes doesn't care. Still forcing employees to come in",
">\n\nI recently learned from a former Lowe’s employee that they have some sort of agreement with the government to be considered essential so that people and emergency services can get generators and equipment from them",
">\n\njesus, that's a lot of fucking snow \nlooking at that i'm having a mild ptsd from the four straight days of shoveling/blowing last week here in northern WI",
">\n\nHi fellow Northwoods resident!\nThe blow snow is the worst part. Stupid snow drifts. \nAlthough. My subdivision went from an open field to a street full of houses this summer. So the drifting is down considerably.",
">\n\nWyoming enters the chat Someone talking about snowdrifts? The jackalopes have it tough this year.",
">\n\nJesus I saw that Cheyenne dropped 32 degrees in temp in 10 minutes. That is seriously insane weather.",
">\n\nIt was awesome! \nDay after tomorrow quotes for a week! \nWe never lost power so it was a win. What's funny is that it was around 25 this morning. Still wearing short sleeve shirts after the last frost. It was crazy! Hope y'all are safe.",
">\n\nOne wonders if there is a list of missing people and if so, how long the list is",
">\n\nI saw a fucked up video of people coming across someone frozen on the ground.",
">\n\nThat's cold asf",
">\n\nYeah both what they were saying and acting and the fact the person froze to death.",
">\n\nI once slept outside in 5 to 10 degree weather, I hope all the homeless got somewhere warm.",
">\n\n\"Poloncarz, a Democrat, called the blizzard \"the worst storm probably in our lifetime,\" even for an area known for heavy snow. More bodies are expected to be found as the snow is cleared or melts.\" \nWtf does their political affiliation have to do with anything? \n\"Jeff here, who loves cheese, was devastated when his wife was unable to be rescued from her car\".",
">\n\nPeople need to know if they should agree or disagree with the statement about the storm.",
">\n\nWhat?!? He’s a democrat? \nThat’s all I needed to hear to know that this definitely was NOT the worst storm in the city’s history, typical democrat fear mongering.\nTheres no more bodies to find, but I’m sure the democrats will claim they found more bodies just to justify more government spending. They’ll be counting people that died 3 weeks ago as storm deaths. They count bodies the same way they count votes for Biden. LGB!!\n/s",
">\n\nRemenber: whatever out there isn't worth your life",
">\n\nWell said, just chill at your home safely till the storm reduces",
">\n\nMany houses do not have power and people are trying to get to the safety of a community shelter.",
">\n\nThis is true as well",
">\n\nI’m in buffalo we had no power for 74 hours and needed gas to run a generator to stay warm, to survive you have to make choices. There wasn’t even 911 services for the entire city for days.",
">\n\nIt's insane to me they announced no emergency services. It was like 48 hours. All the bodegas near me on the west side got robbed, pretty crazy.",
">\n\nIt is insane, and public services have to warn people and risk the looting. The government is a construct that's a failure when its needed lately. It's not going to get any better either...",
">\n\nThis is not the time to play on the roads, so stay off them",
">\n\nKind of hard to do that if you live in your car.",
">\n\nmy hometown 💔 my sister is still snowed in and had to walk to wegmans to try and get supplies. i really wish i could help",
">\n\nDoesn't help homeless people who have no choice.",
">\n\nMeanwhile, Starbucks etc. demanding to know why employees aren't clocked in",
">\n\nI happened to have my plans messed up from the weather, so I was chillin solo on Xmas. I couldn’t believe my local Starbucks was open. Give em a day, Jeaz! No one is missing Starbucks that day.",
">\n\nRight?\nI mean, it's one thing to be open on a holiday in a busy travel area, especially if you have staff who celebrate other holidays -- but floods, shootings, blizzards, holidays (where it's not necessary or at not busy stores). Pretty sure there is something in the \"How to Be Corporate\" manual that demands stores be open in the most ridiculous situations without exception; in fact, that more ridiculous the more critical it is for the store to be fully staffed :/",
">\n\nFor the people looking in from outside the area, the people of WNY take pride in being able to survive storms with minimal disruption. And remember that we just got thru a monumental storm just before thanksgiving. But unless you are at least 55 yrs old you can’t really remember conditions like those of last week. It was on a whole different level and all the local weatherman warnings about it’s impending severity couldn’t convince a large number of the population. The fact that they hype up a normal lake effect snow storm every 10 days may have played a small part in people disregarding the warnings but that’s a whole other conversation.",
">\n\nThe size of the Low and the massive pressure gradient between it and the cold high behind it was absolutely nuts.",
">\n\n\"but you're still coming in for your shift, right?\" - management",
">\n\nThese managers and store owners should be prosecuted and go to jail.",
">\n\nI'm looking forward to the several lawsuits from employees over their bosses making them show up to work.",
">\n\nThe people at those jobs don't have the means to sue. And if they do the company will stretch it out requiring court appearances but the employee doesn't have that many sick and vacation days so they either show up and lose their job or give up. People can't go that long without work to fight back against the evil bastards. The only chance is a large class action or if the business gets enough bad publicity that they settle.",
">\n\nSo did folks stock up on supplies before this thing hit? If you can't drive you can't get to the grocery store or pharmacy.",
">\n\nThis is why they say you should have 2 weeks worth of non-perishable food at home at all times. Even if it's just soup or pasta. Because there will come a time when you're stuck for several days and everything is shut down. I know it sucks because so many are living paycheck to paycheck, but it's important to have that little stash of food (and medicine).",
">\n\nExactly. Everyone should have an emergency kit.",
">\n\nYou know how bad it is after you learn Buffalo is a place that is no stranger to snow, cold snaps and blizzards.",
">\n\nMy mum couldn’t understand why there have been so many deaths and as someone who’s only been following the situation from a distance I couldn’t really give her a confident answer. Are people dying from being caught in the blizzard outside? Are they trapped inside with no heating or supplies and succumbing to the cold? Is it primarily elderly people? Was this storm foreseen and were people warned to be prepared?",
">\n\nThe snow was so bad, people got stuck on the road. For over 24 hours there were NO emergency services available because ALL their vehicles were stuck. People froze to death or died from carbon monoxide b/c they ran their motors for heat.\nWe has sustained 75mph winds on Friday that immediately knock power out, and heat for those without gas. Water pipes broke. Fires. People became disoriented walking & just fell over & died. The snow was heavy, so shoveling caused heart attacks.\nNo one could prepare us for this. I have lived in the Buffalo area for 54 years. I have seen storms, but not like this.",
">\n\nWe have gas heat but it’s forced air so no power= no heat. (Luckily we only had power flicker a few times- houses down the street lost power). \nI said elsewhere- I’ve never been in a situation where we were told “no emergency services- you’re on your own”. Maybe it happened in ‘77 but I was 5 then and I honestly don’t remember the storm.",
">\n\nI was 9 in '77 so I don't remember a lot either. I was also in Chautauqua county then & like this storm, it wasn't as bad down there. \nI am in Southtowns now. I agree 100% that this is a storm like no other in my lifetime. First the 5+ feet of snow a couple weeks ago, now this.\nWe were lucky too. I am SO GLAD you survived!🙏 Too many sad stories that didn't need to happen, and on Christmas no less. Peace & Go Bills!",
">\n\nThis is exactly why I hate snow. I know it's fun to ski and make snowmen and have snow ball fights. It's when you have to clear the snow due to it hindering something or drive in it, deaths result.",
">\n\nNo hair, our skin hurts in low temps, Our noses dont work under low humidity. For all intents and purposes, humans aren't meant to live in the cold.",
">\n\nEmployers:”Walk your ass to work. I’ll see you when the snow dies down because I took vacation.”",
">\n\nSome of those dead must be chili's managers who blew a blood vessel screaming at min wage workers that this storm \" wasn't that bad\" and \" we are going to be crazy busy\"",
">\n\n\"Well yes, but can you still come in? We're short-staffed. Be a team player! It's only a bit of snow!\"",
">\n\nBiggest issue people don’t understand; when you “have to” go to a store or run an errand and you get into an accident, you call 911.\nThose first responders shouldn’t be dealing with you right now, they should be trying to rescue any trapped victims that might still be alive.\nStop being selfish, stay off the roads and if you actually need something, ask neighbors for help, pool your resources and become a better community while others are given a chance to survive.",
">\n\nEmergency services were turned off for 2 days during the storm. The city was completely inaccessible so if you get into an accident you're on your own. My street (a main street in the heart of the west side) had a snow drift as high a stoplight blocking all access. Down the way was an abandoned semitruck blocking the entire road as well as other abandoned cars sprinkled across the landscape. The whole city was like this.",
">\n\nStill there will be a lot of people who think the ban doesn't apply to them because they have to go see grandma.",
">\n\nOr they're homeless and don't have anywhere else to go",
">\n\nHopefully people stay off the roads, bc this is no time to play",
">\n\nI still don't know anyone personally who has been ticketed for driving during the ban. I think they should automatically ticket every car that was abandoned on a bus route and let the owner explain why they were driving during the ban to determine if they have to pay the fine. People will not obey laws if there's no enforcement.\nPayloaders came down my street last night (Tuesday), so I was able to drive to ECMC to pick up my wife, but on my way there, a friend of mine texted me \"we're at the bar if you want to swing by\". Considering that the bartender had to drive in from Tonawanda, that bar should have been closed.",
">\n\nWonder how many people did it anyways in the name of “muh freedom” then ran to an already overworked emergency room when their stupidity backfired",
">\n\nEmergency Room? Nobody could get to the hospital and there were no ambulances",
">\n\nNewspapers had a combination of revenue. Income from subscribers and newsboxes proved their circulation which helped them sell ads. When people stopped paying for the paper they were also no longer eyeballs for the ads. And the fact that they paid to read in the first place contributes to the investment each party has in the advertiser, publication, readership relationship. \nBasic news reporting is worth every penny you pay, and even subscribing you should still look at every article critically for spin. Anyone who gives it to you free has an angle of their own.\nEdited to add: my parents subscribed to papers. I just read the headlines.",
">\n\nI worked at a small town paper with circulation about 30k (weekend) and we had about $12k daily revenue from classifieds ads that vaporized when craigslist came. Went from 10-14 pages of classifieds to half a page. Classifieds subsidized a lot of the paper.",
">\n\nYeah, competition for eyeballs went way way up in the digital age where investment costs are so so low compared to physical media overhead",
">\n\nIt's honestly really sad, that paper employed probably 100-150 ppl when i was there and now it does not exist on a local level.. there are some freelance reporters and photogs who submit stories but everything else is handled on a national level - there's a customer service call center, photo color correction is a central department for hundreds of papers, etc. They contract the press work to another larger paper and the delivery is handled by 1099 contractors. Local news barely exists anymore.",
">\n\nDriving ban? Where are the “my Freedumbs” people when you need them? This is unconstitutional! This is an overreach of government! Unbelievable! \n/s",
">\n\nAny good american would have taken out their AR15 and shot the blizzard..\n/s",
">\n\nI got DOWNVOTED for SARCASM!?! \nFuck you Reddit! lol :-)",
">\n\nTired of the \"muh freedumb\" constant complainers... I really feel bad for the common sense people of the area. Same people, \"why do weather forecasters always speak in sensationalism and hyperbole?\"",
">\n\nNo protests about government overreach?",
">\n\nIsn't it about to be warm again. Wondr8ng how much of this snow will melt with a few days above freezing and rain",
">\n\nThey’re already trying to warn people who live in known flooding areas.",
">\n\nThere are homes still without power, and people have died waiting for emergency personnel, but if you try to travel to a warm home or a hospital yourself, they'll sic the cops on you.",
">\n\nhow did they die? stuck in their cars?",
">\n\nYet another example of how shitty America's car-centric infrastructure is.",
">\n\nWow! Maybe national guard takes orders from homes and delivers them so that people don’t have to leave house out of desperation!! Wow!",
">\n\nNo driving... But is my snowmobile good to go? How about my Ranger on tracks? I feel like people that have proper modes of transportation for the region should get a pass.",
">\n\nplows were getting stuck",
">\n\nI guess we need to blame the governor and senators for this weather event. Or do we only do that in Texas",
">\n\nThey’re not blamed for the weather event but how they react to it."
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Yeah... New York didn't disconnect their power grid from the rest of the nation in order to avoid oversight only to have it collapse under stress that would otherwise be manageable.
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"31 deaths is crazy… stay safe out there!",
">\n\nI'm in Ohio and had to be the bad guy to my in-laws by saying we weren't coming to Christmas Eve, then they called the next day and said it took them an hour to drive 10 minutes home from the dinner we skipped and how dangerous it was. \nSome people gotta touch an oven to see if it's hot when you tell them ¯\\ಠಠ_/¯",
">\n\nAlso in Ohio. Called out of work the day of the storm even though it was only a 15 min drive away. Roads were still not cleared fully 2 days later.",
">\n\nI called out on Friday, I do not like my job enough to risk my life for it, especially during the holiday rush.",
">\n\nDon't get me wrong. My job is great and it pays well. But money is money and it'll cost a lot more for my loved ones to arrange my funeral than it would for me to miss a day of work.",
">\n\nI’m in BC where we got hit pretty bad last week, and my ethos was, “I get paid less in a day than my car insurance deductible costs”",
">\n\nHaha I’m gonna remember this",
">\n\nEmergency services were turned off for 2 days during the storm. The city was completely inaccessible so if you get into an accident you're on your own. My street (a main street in the heart of the west side) had a snow drift as high a stoplight blocking all access. Down the way was an abandoned semitruck blocking the entire road as well as other abandoned cars sprinkled across the landscape completely buried in snow. Trees fallen everywhere too. The whole city was like this.\nI knew it was going to be bad but this one was BAD",
">\n\nYou’ve been hit hard twice and it’s only December. Do you think about moving? Just curious. I live in Maine but come from Rochester NY and I don’t think I could deal with that level of disaster anymore.",
">\n\nGrew up in Rochester as well, moved to Southern Louisiana to get away from the snow. In the 90's I got cuaght several times on the stretch of 90 between Buffalo and Erie and wasn't sure I'd make it home. The snow through there is crazy, I would just follow a semi at a distance and if he went off the road I knew to stop.",
">\n\ndriving around with Semi-traction can be a bit dangerous sometimes.",
">\n\nIf they've got a full load they do better than cars and have more experienced drivers so I follow them too. But with an empty trailer they're screwed in high winds. I was thinking of passing one in Chicago snowstorm but the back drifted just a bit so I slowed down and kept back. Sure enough a few minutes later a gust caught him and the trailer swung across a couple lanes and almost jackknifed. Driver did a great job of getting it straightened back out so kudos to him! That was a long ass stressful drive back home though. I was exhausted.",
">\n\nThis is why people would rush to the store to buy up things like eggs, bread, milk, butter, TP, paper towels, etc... Sure people always panic when it's just a little snow but overall, these types of storms are why.",
">\n\nAlso why it's good to have some canned/dried goods. I keep about 4-5 days worth of soups, canned goods, rice, ramen, clean it out every once in a while if it doesn't get used. It's not costly either, that stuff is fairly cheap. \nBut man, this is pretty crazy. I think the most I've ever been trapped (no driving ban, just felt safe to leave) was 3 days in 2010 for \"Snowmaggedon\", these poor folks are almost going on a week.",
">\n\nYou keep 4-5 days worth?... I feel like I may be a hoarder if 4-5 days is considered a good amount.",
">\n\n4-5 days worth of food is nothing. I live in Louisiana and that’s the bare minimum in my opinion.",
">\n\nI'm pretty sure we have a month's worth of food all combined. Lots of dried beans and rice too. For me, it's to be prepared, and because of the poverty I've experienced, where all my food was from the food bank.",
">\n\nThat's very smart. Dried beans and rice are heaven when you have ZERO access. People don't understand that. it's not about what you want to eat in a disaster, its about eating high caloric/protein meals and staying adequately 'full', or, at the very least, having enough food to have some energy output.",
">\n\nAnother thing is maintaining a more positive mental state. When you don't meet the daily nutritive threshold it can mess with your head. Bad thought loops are the last thing you need in a natural disaster.",
">\n\nThis is 100 why I keep 'mental health food' in my pantry. A chocolate bar. Liquid IVs. Canned fruit. Stuff I know will boost me when I'm low. It helped so much during Ida.",
">\n\nEvery business that stayed open and didn't give their employees the option to stay home should be prosecuted. These people would t have been out in this if it wasn't for fear of losing their jobs. It's disgusting.",
">\n\nToo bad our elected officials don't represent their constituents' interests. Or rather they consider the businesses their constuents, rather than the voters.",
">\n\n\nOr rather they consider the businesses their constituents, rather than the voters.\n\nConservatives make no secret at all about this, and their voters are very straightforward about valuing business owners over regular people.",
">\n\nIt's not just conservatives, sadly. Both parties represent corporations over human beings.",
">\n\nTrue, but conservatives have turned the \"small business owner\" into an identity that they leverage against anybody who might need any sort of govt protections; the narrative is always that JimBob's Tire Emporium will go under if he has to pay over $8/hour or offer insurance. They all see themselves as JimBob. It's a really good trick.\nDems are for sure corrupt and support a lot of corporate agenda items but they campaign on individual wage and debt issues and do actually pass legislation. They're less psychopathic.",
">\n\nAnd yet conservative's talk about small business that way, but vote every damn time to make sure that larger companies get advantages - and those small businesses fail.",
">\n\nSo do Dems. Follow the money, both parties are propped up by the foulest industries and that isn't even considering dark money and super PACS.",
">\n\nI do, but I also look at the voting records. We need to get more people to run under \"Working Families\"that arent just \"better than the worse\" of the democrats.",
">\n\nLowes doesn't care. Still forcing employees to come in",
">\n\nI recently learned from a former Lowe’s employee that they have some sort of agreement with the government to be considered essential so that people and emergency services can get generators and equipment from them",
">\n\njesus, that's a lot of fucking snow \nlooking at that i'm having a mild ptsd from the four straight days of shoveling/blowing last week here in northern WI",
">\n\nHi fellow Northwoods resident!\nThe blow snow is the worst part. Stupid snow drifts. \nAlthough. My subdivision went from an open field to a street full of houses this summer. So the drifting is down considerably.",
">\n\nWyoming enters the chat Someone talking about snowdrifts? The jackalopes have it tough this year.",
">\n\nJesus I saw that Cheyenne dropped 32 degrees in temp in 10 minutes. That is seriously insane weather.",
">\n\nIt was awesome! \nDay after tomorrow quotes for a week! \nWe never lost power so it was a win. What's funny is that it was around 25 this morning. Still wearing short sleeve shirts after the last frost. It was crazy! Hope y'all are safe.",
">\n\nOne wonders if there is a list of missing people and if so, how long the list is",
">\n\nI saw a fucked up video of people coming across someone frozen on the ground.",
">\n\nThat's cold asf",
">\n\nYeah both what they were saying and acting and the fact the person froze to death.",
">\n\nI once slept outside in 5 to 10 degree weather, I hope all the homeless got somewhere warm.",
">\n\n\"Poloncarz, a Democrat, called the blizzard \"the worst storm probably in our lifetime,\" even for an area known for heavy snow. More bodies are expected to be found as the snow is cleared or melts.\" \nWtf does their political affiliation have to do with anything? \n\"Jeff here, who loves cheese, was devastated when his wife was unable to be rescued from her car\".",
">\n\nPeople need to know if they should agree or disagree with the statement about the storm.",
">\n\nWhat?!? He’s a democrat? \nThat’s all I needed to hear to know that this definitely was NOT the worst storm in the city’s history, typical democrat fear mongering.\nTheres no more bodies to find, but I’m sure the democrats will claim they found more bodies just to justify more government spending. They’ll be counting people that died 3 weeks ago as storm deaths. They count bodies the same way they count votes for Biden. LGB!!\n/s",
">\n\nRemenber: whatever out there isn't worth your life",
">\n\nWell said, just chill at your home safely till the storm reduces",
">\n\nMany houses do not have power and people are trying to get to the safety of a community shelter.",
">\n\nThis is true as well",
">\n\nI’m in buffalo we had no power for 74 hours and needed gas to run a generator to stay warm, to survive you have to make choices. There wasn’t even 911 services for the entire city for days.",
">\n\nIt's insane to me they announced no emergency services. It was like 48 hours. All the bodegas near me on the west side got robbed, pretty crazy.",
">\n\nIt is insane, and public services have to warn people and risk the looting. The government is a construct that's a failure when its needed lately. It's not going to get any better either...",
">\n\nThis is not the time to play on the roads, so stay off them",
">\n\nKind of hard to do that if you live in your car.",
">\n\nmy hometown 💔 my sister is still snowed in and had to walk to wegmans to try and get supplies. i really wish i could help",
">\n\nDoesn't help homeless people who have no choice.",
">\n\nMeanwhile, Starbucks etc. demanding to know why employees aren't clocked in",
">\n\nI happened to have my plans messed up from the weather, so I was chillin solo on Xmas. I couldn’t believe my local Starbucks was open. Give em a day, Jeaz! No one is missing Starbucks that day.",
">\n\nRight?\nI mean, it's one thing to be open on a holiday in a busy travel area, especially if you have staff who celebrate other holidays -- but floods, shootings, blizzards, holidays (where it's not necessary or at not busy stores). Pretty sure there is something in the \"How to Be Corporate\" manual that demands stores be open in the most ridiculous situations without exception; in fact, that more ridiculous the more critical it is for the store to be fully staffed :/",
">\n\nFor the people looking in from outside the area, the people of WNY take pride in being able to survive storms with minimal disruption. And remember that we just got thru a monumental storm just before thanksgiving. But unless you are at least 55 yrs old you can’t really remember conditions like those of last week. It was on a whole different level and all the local weatherman warnings about it’s impending severity couldn’t convince a large number of the population. The fact that they hype up a normal lake effect snow storm every 10 days may have played a small part in people disregarding the warnings but that’s a whole other conversation.",
">\n\nThe size of the Low and the massive pressure gradient between it and the cold high behind it was absolutely nuts.",
">\n\n\"but you're still coming in for your shift, right?\" - management",
">\n\nThese managers and store owners should be prosecuted and go to jail.",
">\n\nI'm looking forward to the several lawsuits from employees over their bosses making them show up to work.",
">\n\nThe people at those jobs don't have the means to sue. And if they do the company will stretch it out requiring court appearances but the employee doesn't have that many sick and vacation days so they either show up and lose their job or give up. People can't go that long without work to fight back against the evil bastards. The only chance is a large class action or if the business gets enough bad publicity that they settle.",
">\n\nSo did folks stock up on supplies before this thing hit? If you can't drive you can't get to the grocery store or pharmacy.",
">\n\nThis is why they say you should have 2 weeks worth of non-perishable food at home at all times. Even if it's just soup or pasta. Because there will come a time when you're stuck for several days and everything is shut down. I know it sucks because so many are living paycheck to paycheck, but it's important to have that little stash of food (and medicine).",
">\n\nExactly. Everyone should have an emergency kit.",
">\n\nYou know how bad it is after you learn Buffalo is a place that is no stranger to snow, cold snaps and blizzards.",
">\n\nMy mum couldn’t understand why there have been so many deaths and as someone who’s only been following the situation from a distance I couldn’t really give her a confident answer. Are people dying from being caught in the blizzard outside? Are they trapped inside with no heating or supplies and succumbing to the cold? Is it primarily elderly people? Was this storm foreseen and were people warned to be prepared?",
">\n\nThe snow was so bad, people got stuck on the road. For over 24 hours there were NO emergency services available because ALL their vehicles were stuck. People froze to death or died from carbon monoxide b/c they ran their motors for heat.\nWe has sustained 75mph winds on Friday that immediately knock power out, and heat for those without gas. Water pipes broke. Fires. People became disoriented walking & just fell over & died. The snow was heavy, so shoveling caused heart attacks.\nNo one could prepare us for this. I have lived in the Buffalo area for 54 years. I have seen storms, but not like this.",
">\n\nWe have gas heat but it’s forced air so no power= no heat. (Luckily we only had power flicker a few times- houses down the street lost power). \nI said elsewhere- I’ve never been in a situation where we were told “no emergency services- you’re on your own”. Maybe it happened in ‘77 but I was 5 then and I honestly don’t remember the storm.",
">\n\nI was 9 in '77 so I don't remember a lot either. I was also in Chautauqua county then & like this storm, it wasn't as bad down there. \nI am in Southtowns now. I agree 100% that this is a storm like no other in my lifetime. First the 5+ feet of snow a couple weeks ago, now this.\nWe were lucky too. I am SO GLAD you survived!🙏 Too many sad stories that didn't need to happen, and on Christmas no less. Peace & Go Bills!",
">\n\nThis is exactly why I hate snow. I know it's fun to ski and make snowmen and have snow ball fights. It's when you have to clear the snow due to it hindering something or drive in it, deaths result.",
">\n\nNo hair, our skin hurts in low temps, Our noses dont work under low humidity. For all intents and purposes, humans aren't meant to live in the cold.",
">\n\nEmployers:”Walk your ass to work. I’ll see you when the snow dies down because I took vacation.”",
">\n\nSome of those dead must be chili's managers who blew a blood vessel screaming at min wage workers that this storm \" wasn't that bad\" and \" we are going to be crazy busy\"",
">\n\n\"Well yes, but can you still come in? We're short-staffed. Be a team player! It's only a bit of snow!\"",
">\n\nBiggest issue people don’t understand; when you “have to” go to a store or run an errand and you get into an accident, you call 911.\nThose first responders shouldn’t be dealing with you right now, they should be trying to rescue any trapped victims that might still be alive.\nStop being selfish, stay off the roads and if you actually need something, ask neighbors for help, pool your resources and become a better community while others are given a chance to survive.",
">\n\nEmergency services were turned off for 2 days during the storm. The city was completely inaccessible so if you get into an accident you're on your own. My street (a main street in the heart of the west side) had a snow drift as high a stoplight blocking all access. Down the way was an abandoned semitruck blocking the entire road as well as other abandoned cars sprinkled across the landscape. The whole city was like this.",
">\n\nStill there will be a lot of people who think the ban doesn't apply to them because they have to go see grandma.",
">\n\nOr they're homeless and don't have anywhere else to go",
">\n\nHopefully people stay off the roads, bc this is no time to play",
">\n\nI still don't know anyone personally who has been ticketed for driving during the ban. I think they should automatically ticket every car that was abandoned on a bus route and let the owner explain why they were driving during the ban to determine if they have to pay the fine. People will not obey laws if there's no enforcement.\nPayloaders came down my street last night (Tuesday), so I was able to drive to ECMC to pick up my wife, but on my way there, a friend of mine texted me \"we're at the bar if you want to swing by\". Considering that the bartender had to drive in from Tonawanda, that bar should have been closed.",
">\n\nWonder how many people did it anyways in the name of “muh freedom” then ran to an already overworked emergency room when their stupidity backfired",
">\n\nEmergency Room? Nobody could get to the hospital and there were no ambulances",
">\n\nNewspapers had a combination of revenue. Income from subscribers and newsboxes proved their circulation which helped them sell ads. When people stopped paying for the paper they were also no longer eyeballs for the ads. And the fact that they paid to read in the first place contributes to the investment each party has in the advertiser, publication, readership relationship. \nBasic news reporting is worth every penny you pay, and even subscribing you should still look at every article critically for spin. Anyone who gives it to you free has an angle of their own.\nEdited to add: my parents subscribed to papers. I just read the headlines.",
">\n\nI worked at a small town paper with circulation about 30k (weekend) and we had about $12k daily revenue from classifieds ads that vaporized when craigslist came. Went from 10-14 pages of classifieds to half a page. Classifieds subsidized a lot of the paper.",
">\n\nYeah, competition for eyeballs went way way up in the digital age where investment costs are so so low compared to physical media overhead",
">\n\nIt's honestly really sad, that paper employed probably 100-150 ppl when i was there and now it does not exist on a local level.. there are some freelance reporters and photogs who submit stories but everything else is handled on a national level - there's a customer service call center, photo color correction is a central department for hundreds of papers, etc. They contract the press work to another larger paper and the delivery is handled by 1099 contractors. Local news barely exists anymore.",
">\n\nDriving ban? Where are the “my Freedumbs” people when you need them? This is unconstitutional! This is an overreach of government! Unbelievable! \n/s",
">\n\nAny good american would have taken out their AR15 and shot the blizzard..\n/s",
">\n\nI got DOWNVOTED for SARCASM!?! \nFuck you Reddit! lol :-)",
">\n\nTired of the \"muh freedumb\" constant complainers... I really feel bad for the common sense people of the area. Same people, \"why do weather forecasters always speak in sensationalism and hyperbole?\"",
">\n\nNo protests about government overreach?",
">\n\nIsn't it about to be warm again. Wondr8ng how much of this snow will melt with a few days above freezing and rain",
">\n\nThey’re already trying to warn people who live in known flooding areas.",
">\n\nThere are homes still without power, and people have died waiting for emergency personnel, but if you try to travel to a warm home or a hospital yourself, they'll sic the cops on you.",
">\n\nhow did they die? stuck in their cars?",
">\n\nYet another example of how shitty America's car-centric infrastructure is.",
">\n\nWow! Maybe national guard takes orders from homes and delivers them so that people don’t have to leave house out of desperation!! Wow!",
">\n\nNo driving... But is my snowmobile good to go? How about my Ranger on tracks? I feel like people that have proper modes of transportation for the region should get a pass.",
">\n\nplows were getting stuck",
">\n\nI guess we need to blame the governor and senators for this weather event. Or do we only do that in Texas",
">\n\nThey’re not blamed for the weather event but how they react to it.",
">\n\nSo how are officials in NY reacting to this? People still without power, cars and people stranded everywhere. Deathtoll still rising. I guess the governor only gets held accountable when he/she has an R next to their name."
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So what is the excuse in NY then?
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"31 deaths is crazy… stay safe out there!",
">\n\nI'm in Ohio and had to be the bad guy to my in-laws by saying we weren't coming to Christmas Eve, then they called the next day and said it took them an hour to drive 10 minutes home from the dinner we skipped and how dangerous it was. \nSome people gotta touch an oven to see if it's hot when you tell them ¯\\ಠಠ_/¯",
">\n\nAlso in Ohio. Called out of work the day of the storm even though it was only a 15 min drive away. Roads were still not cleared fully 2 days later.",
">\n\nI called out on Friday, I do not like my job enough to risk my life for it, especially during the holiday rush.",
">\n\nDon't get me wrong. My job is great and it pays well. But money is money and it'll cost a lot more for my loved ones to arrange my funeral than it would for me to miss a day of work.",
">\n\nI’m in BC where we got hit pretty bad last week, and my ethos was, “I get paid less in a day than my car insurance deductible costs”",
">\n\nHaha I’m gonna remember this",
">\n\nEmergency services were turned off for 2 days during the storm. The city was completely inaccessible so if you get into an accident you're on your own. My street (a main street in the heart of the west side) had a snow drift as high a stoplight blocking all access. Down the way was an abandoned semitruck blocking the entire road as well as other abandoned cars sprinkled across the landscape completely buried in snow. Trees fallen everywhere too. The whole city was like this.\nI knew it was going to be bad but this one was BAD",
">\n\nYou’ve been hit hard twice and it’s only December. Do you think about moving? Just curious. I live in Maine but come from Rochester NY and I don’t think I could deal with that level of disaster anymore.",
">\n\nGrew up in Rochester as well, moved to Southern Louisiana to get away from the snow. In the 90's I got cuaght several times on the stretch of 90 between Buffalo and Erie and wasn't sure I'd make it home. The snow through there is crazy, I would just follow a semi at a distance and if he went off the road I knew to stop.",
">\n\ndriving around with Semi-traction can be a bit dangerous sometimes.",
">\n\nIf they've got a full load they do better than cars and have more experienced drivers so I follow them too. But with an empty trailer they're screwed in high winds. I was thinking of passing one in Chicago snowstorm but the back drifted just a bit so I slowed down and kept back. Sure enough a few minutes later a gust caught him and the trailer swung across a couple lanes and almost jackknifed. Driver did a great job of getting it straightened back out so kudos to him! That was a long ass stressful drive back home though. I was exhausted.",
">\n\nThis is why people would rush to the store to buy up things like eggs, bread, milk, butter, TP, paper towels, etc... Sure people always panic when it's just a little snow but overall, these types of storms are why.",
">\n\nAlso why it's good to have some canned/dried goods. I keep about 4-5 days worth of soups, canned goods, rice, ramen, clean it out every once in a while if it doesn't get used. It's not costly either, that stuff is fairly cheap. \nBut man, this is pretty crazy. I think the most I've ever been trapped (no driving ban, just felt safe to leave) was 3 days in 2010 for \"Snowmaggedon\", these poor folks are almost going on a week.",
">\n\nYou keep 4-5 days worth?... I feel like I may be a hoarder if 4-5 days is considered a good amount.",
">\n\n4-5 days worth of food is nothing. I live in Louisiana and that’s the bare minimum in my opinion.",
">\n\nI'm pretty sure we have a month's worth of food all combined. Lots of dried beans and rice too. For me, it's to be prepared, and because of the poverty I've experienced, where all my food was from the food bank.",
">\n\nThat's very smart. Dried beans and rice are heaven when you have ZERO access. People don't understand that. it's not about what you want to eat in a disaster, its about eating high caloric/protein meals and staying adequately 'full', or, at the very least, having enough food to have some energy output.",
">\n\nAnother thing is maintaining a more positive mental state. When you don't meet the daily nutritive threshold it can mess with your head. Bad thought loops are the last thing you need in a natural disaster.",
">\n\nThis is 100 why I keep 'mental health food' in my pantry. A chocolate bar. Liquid IVs. Canned fruit. Stuff I know will boost me when I'm low. It helped so much during Ida.",
">\n\nEvery business that stayed open and didn't give their employees the option to stay home should be prosecuted. These people would t have been out in this if it wasn't for fear of losing their jobs. It's disgusting.",
">\n\nToo bad our elected officials don't represent their constituents' interests. Or rather they consider the businesses their constuents, rather than the voters.",
">\n\n\nOr rather they consider the businesses their constituents, rather than the voters.\n\nConservatives make no secret at all about this, and their voters are very straightforward about valuing business owners over regular people.",
">\n\nIt's not just conservatives, sadly. Both parties represent corporations over human beings.",
">\n\nTrue, but conservatives have turned the \"small business owner\" into an identity that they leverage against anybody who might need any sort of govt protections; the narrative is always that JimBob's Tire Emporium will go under if he has to pay over $8/hour or offer insurance. They all see themselves as JimBob. It's a really good trick.\nDems are for sure corrupt and support a lot of corporate agenda items but they campaign on individual wage and debt issues and do actually pass legislation. They're less psychopathic.",
">\n\nAnd yet conservative's talk about small business that way, but vote every damn time to make sure that larger companies get advantages - and those small businesses fail.",
">\n\nSo do Dems. Follow the money, both parties are propped up by the foulest industries and that isn't even considering dark money and super PACS.",
">\n\nI do, but I also look at the voting records. We need to get more people to run under \"Working Families\"that arent just \"better than the worse\" of the democrats.",
">\n\nLowes doesn't care. Still forcing employees to come in",
">\n\nI recently learned from a former Lowe’s employee that they have some sort of agreement with the government to be considered essential so that people and emergency services can get generators and equipment from them",
">\n\njesus, that's a lot of fucking snow \nlooking at that i'm having a mild ptsd from the four straight days of shoveling/blowing last week here in northern WI",
">\n\nHi fellow Northwoods resident!\nThe blow snow is the worst part. Stupid snow drifts. \nAlthough. My subdivision went from an open field to a street full of houses this summer. So the drifting is down considerably.",
">\n\nWyoming enters the chat Someone talking about snowdrifts? The jackalopes have it tough this year.",
">\n\nJesus I saw that Cheyenne dropped 32 degrees in temp in 10 minutes. That is seriously insane weather.",
">\n\nIt was awesome! \nDay after tomorrow quotes for a week! \nWe never lost power so it was a win. What's funny is that it was around 25 this morning. Still wearing short sleeve shirts after the last frost. It was crazy! Hope y'all are safe.",
">\n\nOne wonders if there is a list of missing people and if so, how long the list is",
">\n\nI saw a fucked up video of people coming across someone frozen on the ground.",
">\n\nThat's cold asf",
">\n\nYeah both what they were saying and acting and the fact the person froze to death.",
">\n\nI once slept outside in 5 to 10 degree weather, I hope all the homeless got somewhere warm.",
">\n\n\"Poloncarz, a Democrat, called the blizzard \"the worst storm probably in our lifetime,\" even for an area known for heavy snow. More bodies are expected to be found as the snow is cleared or melts.\" \nWtf does their political affiliation have to do with anything? \n\"Jeff here, who loves cheese, was devastated when his wife was unable to be rescued from her car\".",
">\n\nPeople need to know if they should agree or disagree with the statement about the storm.",
">\n\nWhat?!? He’s a democrat? \nThat’s all I needed to hear to know that this definitely was NOT the worst storm in the city’s history, typical democrat fear mongering.\nTheres no more bodies to find, but I’m sure the democrats will claim they found more bodies just to justify more government spending. They’ll be counting people that died 3 weeks ago as storm deaths. They count bodies the same way they count votes for Biden. LGB!!\n/s",
">\n\nRemenber: whatever out there isn't worth your life",
">\n\nWell said, just chill at your home safely till the storm reduces",
">\n\nMany houses do not have power and people are trying to get to the safety of a community shelter.",
">\n\nThis is true as well",
">\n\nI’m in buffalo we had no power for 74 hours and needed gas to run a generator to stay warm, to survive you have to make choices. There wasn’t even 911 services for the entire city for days.",
">\n\nIt's insane to me they announced no emergency services. It was like 48 hours. All the bodegas near me on the west side got robbed, pretty crazy.",
">\n\nIt is insane, and public services have to warn people and risk the looting. The government is a construct that's a failure when its needed lately. It's not going to get any better either...",
">\n\nThis is not the time to play on the roads, so stay off them",
">\n\nKind of hard to do that if you live in your car.",
">\n\nmy hometown 💔 my sister is still snowed in and had to walk to wegmans to try and get supplies. i really wish i could help",
">\n\nDoesn't help homeless people who have no choice.",
">\n\nMeanwhile, Starbucks etc. demanding to know why employees aren't clocked in",
">\n\nI happened to have my plans messed up from the weather, so I was chillin solo on Xmas. I couldn’t believe my local Starbucks was open. Give em a day, Jeaz! No one is missing Starbucks that day.",
">\n\nRight?\nI mean, it's one thing to be open on a holiday in a busy travel area, especially if you have staff who celebrate other holidays -- but floods, shootings, blizzards, holidays (where it's not necessary or at not busy stores). Pretty sure there is something in the \"How to Be Corporate\" manual that demands stores be open in the most ridiculous situations without exception; in fact, that more ridiculous the more critical it is for the store to be fully staffed :/",
">\n\nFor the people looking in from outside the area, the people of WNY take pride in being able to survive storms with minimal disruption. And remember that we just got thru a monumental storm just before thanksgiving. But unless you are at least 55 yrs old you can’t really remember conditions like those of last week. It was on a whole different level and all the local weatherman warnings about it’s impending severity couldn’t convince a large number of the population. The fact that they hype up a normal lake effect snow storm every 10 days may have played a small part in people disregarding the warnings but that’s a whole other conversation.",
">\n\nThe size of the Low and the massive pressure gradient between it and the cold high behind it was absolutely nuts.",
">\n\n\"but you're still coming in for your shift, right?\" - management",
">\n\nThese managers and store owners should be prosecuted and go to jail.",
">\n\nI'm looking forward to the several lawsuits from employees over their bosses making them show up to work.",
">\n\nThe people at those jobs don't have the means to sue. And if they do the company will stretch it out requiring court appearances but the employee doesn't have that many sick and vacation days so they either show up and lose their job or give up. People can't go that long without work to fight back against the evil bastards. The only chance is a large class action or if the business gets enough bad publicity that they settle.",
">\n\nSo did folks stock up on supplies before this thing hit? If you can't drive you can't get to the grocery store or pharmacy.",
">\n\nThis is why they say you should have 2 weeks worth of non-perishable food at home at all times. Even if it's just soup or pasta. Because there will come a time when you're stuck for several days and everything is shut down. I know it sucks because so many are living paycheck to paycheck, but it's important to have that little stash of food (and medicine).",
">\n\nExactly. Everyone should have an emergency kit.",
">\n\nYou know how bad it is after you learn Buffalo is a place that is no stranger to snow, cold snaps and blizzards.",
">\n\nMy mum couldn’t understand why there have been so many deaths and as someone who’s only been following the situation from a distance I couldn’t really give her a confident answer. Are people dying from being caught in the blizzard outside? Are they trapped inside with no heating or supplies and succumbing to the cold? Is it primarily elderly people? Was this storm foreseen and were people warned to be prepared?",
">\n\nThe snow was so bad, people got stuck on the road. For over 24 hours there were NO emergency services available because ALL their vehicles were stuck. People froze to death or died from carbon monoxide b/c they ran their motors for heat.\nWe has sustained 75mph winds on Friday that immediately knock power out, and heat for those without gas. Water pipes broke. Fires. People became disoriented walking & just fell over & died. The snow was heavy, so shoveling caused heart attacks.\nNo one could prepare us for this. I have lived in the Buffalo area for 54 years. I have seen storms, but not like this.",
">\n\nWe have gas heat but it’s forced air so no power= no heat. (Luckily we only had power flicker a few times- houses down the street lost power). \nI said elsewhere- I’ve never been in a situation where we were told “no emergency services- you’re on your own”. Maybe it happened in ‘77 but I was 5 then and I honestly don’t remember the storm.",
">\n\nI was 9 in '77 so I don't remember a lot either. I was also in Chautauqua county then & like this storm, it wasn't as bad down there. \nI am in Southtowns now. I agree 100% that this is a storm like no other in my lifetime. First the 5+ feet of snow a couple weeks ago, now this.\nWe were lucky too. I am SO GLAD you survived!🙏 Too many sad stories that didn't need to happen, and on Christmas no less. Peace & Go Bills!",
">\n\nThis is exactly why I hate snow. I know it's fun to ski and make snowmen and have snow ball fights. It's when you have to clear the snow due to it hindering something or drive in it, deaths result.",
">\n\nNo hair, our skin hurts in low temps, Our noses dont work under low humidity. For all intents and purposes, humans aren't meant to live in the cold.",
">\n\nEmployers:”Walk your ass to work. I’ll see you when the snow dies down because I took vacation.”",
">\n\nSome of those dead must be chili's managers who blew a blood vessel screaming at min wage workers that this storm \" wasn't that bad\" and \" we are going to be crazy busy\"",
">\n\n\"Well yes, but can you still come in? We're short-staffed. Be a team player! It's only a bit of snow!\"",
">\n\nBiggest issue people don’t understand; when you “have to” go to a store or run an errand and you get into an accident, you call 911.\nThose first responders shouldn’t be dealing with you right now, they should be trying to rescue any trapped victims that might still be alive.\nStop being selfish, stay off the roads and if you actually need something, ask neighbors for help, pool your resources and become a better community while others are given a chance to survive.",
">\n\nEmergency services were turned off for 2 days during the storm. The city was completely inaccessible so if you get into an accident you're on your own. My street (a main street in the heart of the west side) had a snow drift as high a stoplight blocking all access. Down the way was an abandoned semitruck blocking the entire road as well as other abandoned cars sprinkled across the landscape. The whole city was like this.",
">\n\nStill there will be a lot of people who think the ban doesn't apply to them because they have to go see grandma.",
">\n\nOr they're homeless and don't have anywhere else to go",
">\n\nHopefully people stay off the roads, bc this is no time to play",
">\n\nI still don't know anyone personally who has been ticketed for driving during the ban. I think they should automatically ticket every car that was abandoned on a bus route and let the owner explain why they were driving during the ban to determine if they have to pay the fine. People will not obey laws if there's no enforcement.\nPayloaders came down my street last night (Tuesday), so I was able to drive to ECMC to pick up my wife, but on my way there, a friend of mine texted me \"we're at the bar if you want to swing by\". Considering that the bartender had to drive in from Tonawanda, that bar should have been closed.",
">\n\nWonder how many people did it anyways in the name of “muh freedom” then ran to an already overworked emergency room when their stupidity backfired",
">\n\nEmergency Room? Nobody could get to the hospital and there were no ambulances",
">\n\nNewspapers had a combination of revenue. Income from subscribers and newsboxes proved their circulation which helped them sell ads. When people stopped paying for the paper they were also no longer eyeballs for the ads. And the fact that they paid to read in the first place contributes to the investment each party has in the advertiser, publication, readership relationship. \nBasic news reporting is worth every penny you pay, and even subscribing you should still look at every article critically for spin. Anyone who gives it to you free has an angle of their own.\nEdited to add: my parents subscribed to papers. I just read the headlines.",
">\n\nI worked at a small town paper with circulation about 30k (weekend) and we had about $12k daily revenue from classifieds ads that vaporized when craigslist came. Went from 10-14 pages of classifieds to half a page. Classifieds subsidized a lot of the paper.",
">\n\nYeah, competition for eyeballs went way way up in the digital age where investment costs are so so low compared to physical media overhead",
">\n\nIt's honestly really sad, that paper employed probably 100-150 ppl when i was there and now it does not exist on a local level.. there are some freelance reporters and photogs who submit stories but everything else is handled on a national level - there's a customer service call center, photo color correction is a central department for hundreds of papers, etc. They contract the press work to another larger paper and the delivery is handled by 1099 contractors. Local news barely exists anymore.",
">\n\nDriving ban? Where are the “my Freedumbs” people when you need them? This is unconstitutional! This is an overreach of government! Unbelievable! \n/s",
">\n\nAny good american would have taken out their AR15 and shot the blizzard..\n/s",
">\n\nI got DOWNVOTED for SARCASM!?! \nFuck you Reddit! lol :-)",
">\n\nTired of the \"muh freedumb\" constant complainers... I really feel bad for the common sense people of the area. Same people, \"why do weather forecasters always speak in sensationalism and hyperbole?\"",
">\n\nNo protests about government overreach?",
">\n\nIsn't it about to be warm again. Wondr8ng how much of this snow will melt with a few days above freezing and rain",
">\n\nThey’re already trying to warn people who live in known flooding areas.",
">\n\nThere are homes still without power, and people have died waiting for emergency personnel, but if you try to travel to a warm home or a hospital yourself, they'll sic the cops on you.",
">\n\nhow did they die? stuck in their cars?",
">\n\nYet another example of how shitty America's car-centric infrastructure is.",
">\n\nWow! Maybe national guard takes orders from homes and delivers them so that people don’t have to leave house out of desperation!! Wow!",
">\n\nNo driving... But is my snowmobile good to go? How about my Ranger on tracks? I feel like people that have proper modes of transportation for the region should get a pass.",
">\n\nplows were getting stuck",
">\n\nI guess we need to blame the governor and senators for this weather event. Or do we only do that in Texas",
">\n\nThey’re not blamed for the weather event but how they react to it.",
">\n\nSo how are officials in NY reacting to this? People still without power, cars and people stranded everywhere. Deathtoll still rising. I guess the governor only gets held accountable when he/she has an R next to their name.",
">\n\nYeah... New York didn't disconnect their power grid from the rest of the nation in order to avoid oversight only to have it collapse under stress that would otherwise be manageable."
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"31 deaths is crazy… stay safe out there!",
">\n\nI'm in Ohio and had to be the bad guy to my in-laws by saying we weren't coming to Christmas Eve, then they called the next day and said it took them an hour to drive 10 minutes home from the dinner we skipped and how dangerous it was. \nSome people gotta touch an oven to see if it's hot when you tell them ¯\\ಠಠ_/¯",
">\n\nAlso in Ohio. Called out of work the day of the storm even though it was only a 15 min drive away. Roads were still not cleared fully 2 days later.",
">\n\nI called out on Friday, I do not like my job enough to risk my life for it, especially during the holiday rush.",
">\n\nDon't get me wrong. My job is great and it pays well. But money is money and it'll cost a lot more for my loved ones to arrange my funeral than it would for me to miss a day of work.",
">\n\nI’m in BC where we got hit pretty bad last week, and my ethos was, “I get paid less in a day than my car insurance deductible costs”",
">\n\nHaha I’m gonna remember this",
">\n\nEmergency services were turned off for 2 days during the storm. The city was completely inaccessible so if you get into an accident you're on your own. My street (a main street in the heart of the west side) had a snow drift as high a stoplight blocking all access. Down the way was an abandoned semitruck blocking the entire road as well as other abandoned cars sprinkled across the landscape completely buried in snow. Trees fallen everywhere too. The whole city was like this.\nI knew it was going to be bad but this one was BAD",
">\n\nYou’ve been hit hard twice and it’s only December. Do you think about moving? Just curious. I live in Maine but come from Rochester NY and I don’t think I could deal with that level of disaster anymore.",
">\n\nGrew up in Rochester as well, moved to Southern Louisiana to get away from the snow. In the 90's I got cuaght several times on the stretch of 90 between Buffalo and Erie and wasn't sure I'd make it home. The snow through there is crazy, I would just follow a semi at a distance and if he went off the road I knew to stop.",
">\n\ndriving around with Semi-traction can be a bit dangerous sometimes.",
">\n\nIf they've got a full load they do better than cars and have more experienced drivers so I follow them too. But with an empty trailer they're screwed in high winds. I was thinking of passing one in Chicago snowstorm but the back drifted just a bit so I slowed down and kept back. Sure enough a few minutes later a gust caught him and the trailer swung across a couple lanes and almost jackknifed. Driver did a great job of getting it straightened back out so kudos to him! That was a long ass stressful drive back home though. I was exhausted.",
">\n\nThis is why people would rush to the store to buy up things like eggs, bread, milk, butter, TP, paper towels, etc... Sure people always panic when it's just a little snow but overall, these types of storms are why.",
">\n\nAlso why it's good to have some canned/dried goods. I keep about 4-5 days worth of soups, canned goods, rice, ramen, clean it out every once in a while if it doesn't get used. It's not costly either, that stuff is fairly cheap. \nBut man, this is pretty crazy. I think the most I've ever been trapped (no driving ban, just felt safe to leave) was 3 days in 2010 for \"Snowmaggedon\", these poor folks are almost going on a week.",
">\n\nYou keep 4-5 days worth?... I feel like I may be a hoarder if 4-5 days is considered a good amount.",
">\n\n4-5 days worth of food is nothing. I live in Louisiana and that’s the bare minimum in my opinion.",
">\n\nI'm pretty sure we have a month's worth of food all combined. Lots of dried beans and rice too. For me, it's to be prepared, and because of the poverty I've experienced, where all my food was from the food bank.",
">\n\nThat's very smart. Dried beans and rice are heaven when you have ZERO access. People don't understand that. it's not about what you want to eat in a disaster, its about eating high caloric/protein meals and staying adequately 'full', or, at the very least, having enough food to have some energy output.",
">\n\nAnother thing is maintaining a more positive mental state. When you don't meet the daily nutritive threshold it can mess with your head. Bad thought loops are the last thing you need in a natural disaster.",
">\n\nThis is 100 why I keep 'mental health food' in my pantry. A chocolate bar. Liquid IVs. Canned fruit. Stuff I know will boost me when I'm low. It helped so much during Ida.",
">\n\nEvery business that stayed open and didn't give their employees the option to stay home should be prosecuted. These people would t have been out in this if it wasn't for fear of losing their jobs. It's disgusting.",
">\n\nToo bad our elected officials don't represent their constituents' interests. Or rather they consider the businesses their constuents, rather than the voters.",
">\n\n\nOr rather they consider the businesses their constituents, rather than the voters.\n\nConservatives make no secret at all about this, and their voters are very straightforward about valuing business owners over regular people.",
">\n\nIt's not just conservatives, sadly. Both parties represent corporations over human beings.",
">\n\nTrue, but conservatives have turned the \"small business owner\" into an identity that they leverage against anybody who might need any sort of govt protections; the narrative is always that JimBob's Tire Emporium will go under if he has to pay over $8/hour or offer insurance. They all see themselves as JimBob. It's a really good trick.\nDems are for sure corrupt and support a lot of corporate agenda items but they campaign on individual wage and debt issues and do actually pass legislation. They're less psychopathic.",
">\n\nAnd yet conservative's talk about small business that way, but vote every damn time to make sure that larger companies get advantages - and those small businesses fail.",
">\n\nSo do Dems. Follow the money, both parties are propped up by the foulest industries and that isn't even considering dark money and super PACS.",
">\n\nI do, but I also look at the voting records. We need to get more people to run under \"Working Families\"that arent just \"better than the worse\" of the democrats.",
">\n\nLowes doesn't care. Still forcing employees to come in",
">\n\nI recently learned from a former Lowe’s employee that they have some sort of agreement with the government to be considered essential so that people and emergency services can get generators and equipment from them",
">\n\njesus, that's a lot of fucking snow \nlooking at that i'm having a mild ptsd from the four straight days of shoveling/blowing last week here in northern WI",
">\n\nHi fellow Northwoods resident!\nThe blow snow is the worst part. Stupid snow drifts. \nAlthough. My subdivision went from an open field to a street full of houses this summer. So the drifting is down considerably.",
">\n\nWyoming enters the chat Someone talking about snowdrifts? The jackalopes have it tough this year.",
">\n\nJesus I saw that Cheyenne dropped 32 degrees in temp in 10 minutes. That is seriously insane weather.",
">\n\nIt was awesome! \nDay after tomorrow quotes for a week! \nWe never lost power so it was a win. What's funny is that it was around 25 this morning. Still wearing short sleeve shirts after the last frost. It was crazy! Hope y'all are safe.",
">\n\nOne wonders if there is a list of missing people and if so, how long the list is",
">\n\nI saw a fucked up video of people coming across someone frozen on the ground.",
">\n\nThat's cold asf",
">\n\nYeah both what they were saying and acting and the fact the person froze to death.",
">\n\nI once slept outside in 5 to 10 degree weather, I hope all the homeless got somewhere warm.",
">\n\n\"Poloncarz, a Democrat, called the blizzard \"the worst storm probably in our lifetime,\" even for an area known for heavy snow. More bodies are expected to be found as the snow is cleared or melts.\" \nWtf does their political affiliation have to do with anything? \n\"Jeff here, who loves cheese, was devastated when his wife was unable to be rescued from her car\".",
">\n\nPeople need to know if they should agree or disagree with the statement about the storm.",
">\n\nWhat?!? He’s a democrat? \nThat’s all I needed to hear to know that this definitely was NOT the worst storm in the city’s history, typical democrat fear mongering.\nTheres no more bodies to find, but I’m sure the democrats will claim they found more bodies just to justify more government spending. They’ll be counting people that died 3 weeks ago as storm deaths. They count bodies the same way they count votes for Biden. LGB!!\n/s",
">\n\nRemenber: whatever out there isn't worth your life",
">\n\nWell said, just chill at your home safely till the storm reduces",
">\n\nMany houses do not have power and people are trying to get to the safety of a community shelter.",
">\n\nThis is true as well",
">\n\nI’m in buffalo we had no power for 74 hours and needed gas to run a generator to stay warm, to survive you have to make choices. There wasn’t even 911 services for the entire city for days.",
">\n\nIt's insane to me they announced no emergency services. It was like 48 hours. All the bodegas near me on the west side got robbed, pretty crazy.",
">\n\nIt is insane, and public services have to warn people and risk the looting. The government is a construct that's a failure when its needed lately. It's not going to get any better either...",
">\n\nThis is not the time to play on the roads, so stay off them",
">\n\nKind of hard to do that if you live in your car.",
">\n\nmy hometown 💔 my sister is still snowed in and had to walk to wegmans to try and get supplies. i really wish i could help",
">\n\nDoesn't help homeless people who have no choice.",
">\n\nMeanwhile, Starbucks etc. demanding to know why employees aren't clocked in",
">\n\nI happened to have my plans messed up from the weather, so I was chillin solo on Xmas. I couldn’t believe my local Starbucks was open. Give em a day, Jeaz! No one is missing Starbucks that day.",
">\n\nRight?\nI mean, it's one thing to be open on a holiday in a busy travel area, especially if you have staff who celebrate other holidays -- but floods, shootings, blizzards, holidays (where it's not necessary or at not busy stores). Pretty sure there is something in the \"How to Be Corporate\" manual that demands stores be open in the most ridiculous situations without exception; in fact, that more ridiculous the more critical it is for the store to be fully staffed :/",
">\n\nFor the people looking in from outside the area, the people of WNY take pride in being able to survive storms with minimal disruption. And remember that we just got thru a monumental storm just before thanksgiving. But unless you are at least 55 yrs old you can’t really remember conditions like those of last week. It was on a whole different level and all the local weatherman warnings about it’s impending severity couldn’t convince a large number of the population. The fact that they hype up a normal lake effect snow storm every 10 days may have played a small part in people disregarding the warnings but that’s a whole other conversation.",
">\n\nThe size of the Low and the massive pressure gradient between it and the cold high behind it was absolutely nuts.",
">\n\n\"but you're still coming in for your shift, right?\" - management",
">\n\nThese managers and store owners should be prosecuted and go to jail.",
">\n\nI'm looking forward to the several lawsuits from employees over their bosses making them show up to work.",
">\n\nThe people at those jobs don't have the means to sue. And if they do the company will stretch it out requiring court appearances but the employee doesn't have that many sick and vacation days so they either show up and lose their job or give up. People can't go that long without work to fight back against the evil bastards. The only chance is a large class action or if the business gets enough bad publicity that they settle.",
">\n\nSo did folks stock up on supplies before this thing hit? If you can't drive you can't get to the grocery store or pharmacy.",
">\n\nThis is why they say you should have 2 weeks worth of non-perishable food at home at all times. Even if it's just soup or pasta. Because there will come a time when you're stuck for several days and everything is shut down. I know it sucks because so many are living paycheck to paycheck, but it's important to have that little stash of food (and medicine).",
">\n\nExactly. Everyone should have an emergency kit.",
">\n\nYou know how bad it is after you learn Buffalo is a place that is no stranger to snow, cold snaps and blizzards.",
">\n\nMy mum couldn’t understand why there have been so many deaths and as someone who’s only been following the situation from a distance I couldn’t really give her a confident answer. Are people dying from being caught in the blizzard outside? Are they trapped inside with no heating or supplies and succumbing to the cold? Is it primarily elderly people? Was this storm foreseen and were people warned to be prepared?",
">\n\nThe snow was so bad, people got stuck on the road. For over 24 hours there were NO emergency services available because ALL their vehicles were stuck. People froze to death or died from carbon monoxide b/c they ran their motors for heat.\nWe has sustained 75mph winds on Friday that immediately knock power out, and heat for those without gas. Water pipes broke. Fires. People became disoriented walking & just fell over & died. The snow was heavy, so shoveling caused heart attacks.\nNo one could prepare us for this. I have lived in the Buffalo area for 54 years. I have seen storms, but not like this.",
">\n\nWe have gas heat but it’s forced air so no power= no heat. (Luckily we only had power flicker a few times- houses down the street lost power). \nI said elsewhere- I’ve never been in a situation where we were told “no emergency services- you’re on your own”. Maybe it happened in ‘77 but I was 5 then and I honestly don’t remember the storm.",
">\n\nI was 9 in '77 so I don't remember a lot either. I was also in Chautauqua county then & like this storm, it wasn't as bad down there. \nI am in Southtowns now. I agree 100% that this is a storm like no other in my lifetime. First the 5+ feet of snow a couple weeks ago, now this.\nWe were lucky too. I am SO GLAD you survived!🙏 Too many sad stories that didn't need to happen, and on Christmas no less. Peace & Go Bills!",
">\n\nThis is exactly why I hate snow. I know it's fun to ski and make snowmen and have snow ball fights. It's when you have to clear the snow due to it hindering something or drive in it, deaths result.",
">\n\nNo hair, our skin hurts in low temps, Our noses dont work under low humidity. For all intents and purposes, humans aren't meant to live in the cold.",
">\n\nEmployers:”Walk your ass to work. I’ll see you when the snow dies down because I took vacation.”",
">\n\nSome of those dead must be chili's managers who blew a blood vessel screaming at min wage workers that this storm \" wasn't that bad\" and \" we are going to be crazy busy\"",
">\n\n\"Well yes, but can you still come in? We're short-staffed. Be a team player! It's only a bit of snow!\"",
">\n\nBiggest issue people don’t understand; when you “have to” go to a store or run an errand and you get into an accident, you call 911.\nThose first responders shouldn’t be dealing with you right now, they should be trying to rescue any trapped victims that might still be alive.\nStop being selfish, stay off the roads and if you actually need something, ask neighbors for help, pool your resources and become a better community while others are given a chance to survive.",
">\n\nEmergency services were turned off for 2 days during the storm. The city was completely inaccessible so if you get into an accident you're on your own. My street (a main street in the heart of the west side) had a snow drift as high a stoplight blocking all access. Down the way was an abandoned semitruck blocking the entire road as well as other abandoned cars sprinkled across the landscape. The whole city was like this.",
">\n\nStill there will be a lot of people who think the ban doesn't apply to them because they have to go see grandma.",
">\n\nOr they're homeless and don't have anywhere else to go",
">\n\nHopefully people stay off the roads, bc this is no time to play",
">\n\nI still don't know anyone personally who has been ticketed for driving during the ban. I think they should automatically ticket every car that was abandoned on a bus route and let the owner explain why they were driving during the ban to determine if they have to pay the fine. People will not obey laws if there's no enforcement.\nPayloaders came down my street last night (Tuesday), so I was able to drive to ECMC to pick up my wife, but on my way there, a friend of mine texted me \"we're at the bar if you want to swing by\". Considering that the bartender had to drive in from Tonawanda, that bar should have been closed.",
">\n\nWonder how many people did it anyways in the name of “muh freedom” then ran to an already overworked emergency room when their stupidity backfired",
">\n\nEmergency Room? Nobody could get to the hospital and there were no ambulances",
">\n\nNewspapers had a combination of revenue. Income from subscribers and newsboxes proved their circulation which helped them sell ads. When people stopped paying for the paper they were also no longer eyeballs for the ads. And the fact that they paid to read in the first place contributes to the investment each party has in the advertiser, publication, readership relationship. \nBasic news reporting is worth every penny you pay, and even subscribing you should still look at every article critically for spin. Anyone who gives it to you free has an angle of their own.\nEdited to add: my parents subscribed to papers. I just read the headlines.",
">\n\nI worked at a small town paper with circulation about 30k (weekend) and we had about $12k daily revenue from classifieds ads that vaporized when craigslist came. Went from 10-14 pages of classifieds to half a page. Classifieds subsidized a lot of the paper.",
">\n\nYeah, competition for eyeballs went way way up in the digital age where investment costs are so so low compared to physical media overhead",
">\n\nIt's honestly really sad, that paper employed probably 100-150 ppl when i was there and now it does not exist on a local level.. there are some freelance reporters and photogs who submit stories but everything else is handled on a national level - there's a customer service call center, photo color correction is a central department for hundreds of papers, etc. They contract the press work to another larger paper and the delivery is handled by 1099 contractors. Local news barely exists anymore.",
">\n\nDriving ban? Where are the “my Freedumbs” people when you need them? This is unconstitutional! This is an overreach of government! Unbelievable! \n/s",
">\n\nAny good american would have taken out their AR15 and shot the blizzard..\n/s",
">\n\nI got DOWNVOTED for SARCASM!?! \nFuck you Reddit! lol :-)",
">\n\nTired of the \"muh freedumb\" constant complainers... I really feel bad for the common sense people of the area. Same people, \"why do weather forecasters always speak in sensationalism and hyperbole?\"",
">\n\nNo protests about government overreach?",
">\n\nIsn't it about to be warm again. Wondr8ng how much of this snow will melt with a few days above freezing and rain",
">\n\nThey’re already trying to warn people who live in known flooding areas.",
">\n\nThere are homes still without power, and people have died waiting for emergency personnel, but if you try to travel to a warm home or a hospital yourself, they'll sic the cops on you.",
">\n\nhow did they die? stuck in their cars?",
">\n\nYet another example of how shitty America's car-centric infrastructure is.",
">\n\nWow! Maybe national guard takes orders from homes and delivers them so that people don’t have to leave house out of desperation!! Wow!",
">\n\nNo driving... But is my snowmobile good to go? How about my Ranger on tracks? I feel like people that have proper modes of transportation for the region should get a pass.",
">\n\nplows were getting stuck",
">\n\nI guess we need to blame the governor and senators for this weather event. Or do we only do that in Texas",
">\n\nThey’re not blamed for the weather event but how they react to it.",
">\n\nSo how are officials in NY reacting to this? People still without power, cars and people stranded everywhere. Deathtoll still rising. I guess the governor only gets held accountable when he/she has an R next to their name.",
">\n\nYeah... New York didn't disconnect their power grid from the rest of the nation in order to avoid oversight only to have it collapse under stress that would otherwise be manageable.",
">\n\nSo what is the excuse in NY then?"
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Texas power grid handles sustained summers with weeks over 100*
Californias can barely survive 90* weeks
Maybe grids are built for their usual climates
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"31 deaths is crazy… stay safe out there!",
">\n\nI'm in Ohio and had to be the bad guy to my in-laws by saying we weren't coming to Christmas Eve, then they called the next day and said it took them an hour to drive 10 minutes home from the dinner we skipped and how dangerous it was. \nSome people gotta touch an oven to see if it's hot when you tell them ¯\\ಠಠ_/¯",
">\n\nAlso in Ohio. Called out of work the day of the storm even though it was only a 15 min drive away. Roads were still not cleared fully 2 days later.",
">\n\nI called out on Friday, I do not like my job enough to risk my life for it, especially during the holiday rush.",
">\n\nDon't get me wrong. My job is great and it pays well. But money is money and it'll cost a lot more for my loved ones to arrange my funeral than it would for me to miss a day of work.",
">\n\nI’m in BC where we got hit pretty bad last week, and my ethos was, “I get paid less in a day than my car insurance deductible costs”",
">\n\nHaha I’m gonna remember this",
">\n\nEmergency services were turned off for 2 days during the storm. The city was completely inaccessible so if you get into an accident you're on your own. My street (a main street in the heart of the west side) had a snow drift as high a stoplight blocking all access. Down the way was an abandoned semitruck blocking the entire road as well as other abandoned cars sprinkled across the landscape completely buried in snow. Trees fallen everywhere too. The whole city was like this.\nI knew it was going to be bad but this one was BAD",
">\n\nYou’ve been hit hard twice and it’s only December. Do you think about moving? Just curious. I live in Maine but come from Rochester NY and I don’t think I could deal with that level of disaster anymore.",
">\n\nGrew up in Rochester as well, moved to Southern Louisiana to get away from the snow. In the 90's I got cuaght several times on the stretch of 90 between Buffalo and Erie and wasn't sure I'd make it home. The snow through there is crazy, I would just follow a semi at a distance and if he went off the road I knew to stop.",
">\n\ndriving around with Semi-traction can be a bit dangerous sometimes.",
">\n\nIf they've got a full load they do better than cars and have more experienced drivers so I follow them too. But with an empty trailer they're screwed in high winds. I was thinking of passing one in Chicago snowstorm but the back drifted just a bit so I slowed down and kept back. Sure enough a few minutes later a gust caught him and the trailer swung across a couple lanes and almost jackknifed. Driver did a great job of getting it straightened back out so kudos to him! That was a long ass stressful drive back home though. I was exhausted.",
">\n\nThis is why people would rush to the store to buy up things like eggs, bread, milk, butter, TP, paper towels, etc... Sure people always panic when it's just a little snow but overall, these types of storms are why.",
">\n\nAlso why it's good to have some canned/dried goods. I keep about 4-5 days worth of soups, canned goods, rice, ramen, clean it out every once in a while if it doesn't get used. It's not costly either, that stuff is fairly cheap. \nBut man, this is pretty crazy. I think the most I've ever been trapped (no driving ban, just felt safe to leave) was 3 days in 2010 for \"Snowmaggedon\", these poor folks are almost going on a week.",
">\n\nYou keep 4-5 days worth?... I feel like I may be a hoarder if 4-5 days is considered a good amount.",
">\n\n4-5 days worth of food is nothing. I live in Louisiana and that’s the bare minimum in my opinion.",
">\n\nI'm pretty sure we have a month's worth of food all combined. Lots of dried beans and rice too. For me, it's to be prepared, and because of the poverty I've experienced, where all my food was from the food bank.",
">\n\nThat's very smart. Dried beans and rice are heaven when you have ZERO access. People don't understand that. it's not about what you want to eat in a disaster, its about eating high caloric/protein meals and staying adequately 'full', or, at the very least, having enough food to have some energy output.",
">\n\nAnother thing is maintaining a more positive mental state. When you don't meet the daily nutritive threshold it can mess with your head. Bad thought loops are the last thing you need in a natural disaster.",
">\n\nThis is 100 why I keep 'mental health food' in my pantry. A chocolate bar. Liquid IVs. Canned fruit. Stuff I know will boost me when I'm low. It helped so much during Ida.",
">\n\nEvery business that stayed open and didn't give their employees the option to stay home should be prosecuted. These people would t have been out in this if it wasn't for fear of losing their jobs. It's disgusting.",
">\n\nToo bad our elected officials don't represent their constituents' interests. Or rather they consider the businesses their constuents, rather than the voters.",
">\n\n\nOr rather they consider the businesses their constituents, rather than the voters.\n\nConservatives make no secret at all about this, and their voters are very straightforward about valuing business owners over regular people.",
">\n\nIt's not just conservatives, sadly. Both parties represent corporations over human beings.",
">\n\nTrue, but conservatives have turned the \"small business owner\" into an identity that they leverage against anybody who might need any sort of govt protections; the narrative is always that JimBob's Tire Emporium will go under if he has to pay over $8/hour or offer insurance. They all see themselves as JimBob. It's a really good trick.\nDems are for sure corrupt and support a lot of corporate agenda items but they campaign on individual wage and debt issues and do actually pass legislation. They're less psychopathic.",
">\n\nAnd yet conservative's talk about small business that way, but vote every damn time to make sure that larger companies get advantages - and those small businesses fail.",
">\n\nSo do Dems. Follow the money, both parties are propped up by the foulest industries and that isn't even considering dark money and super PACS.",
">\n\nI do, but I also look at the voting records. We need to get more people to run under \"Working Families\"that arent just \"better than the worse\" of the democrats.",
">\n\nLowes doesn't care. Still forcing employees to come in",
">\n\nI recently learned from a former Lowe’s employee that they have some sort of agreement with the government to be considered essential so that people and emergency services can get generators and equipment from them",
">\n\njesus, that's a lot of fucking snow \nlooking at that i'm having a mild ptsd from the four straight days of shoveling/blowing last week here in northern WI",
">\n\nHi fellow Northwoods resident!\nThe blow snow is the worst part. Stupid snow drifts. \nAlthough. My subdivision went from an open field to a street full of houses this summer. So the drifting is down considerably.",
">\n\nWyoming enters the chat Someone talking about snowdrifts? The jackalopes have it tough this year.",
">\n\nJesus I saw that Cheyenne dropped 32 degrees in temp in 10 minutes. That is seriously insane weather.",
">\n\nIt was awesome! \nDay after tomorrow quotes for a week! \nWe never lost power so it was a win. What's funny is that it was around 25 this morning. Still wearing short sleeve shirts after the last frost. It was crazy! Hope y'all are safe.",
">\n\nOne wonders if there is a list of missing people and if so, how long the list is",
">\n\nI saw a fucked up video of people coming across someone frozen on the ground.",
">\n\nThat's cold asf",
">\n\nYeah both what they were saying and acting and the fact the person froze to death.",
">\n\nI once slept outside in 5 to 10 degree weather, I hope all the homeless got somewhere warm.",
">\n\n\"Poloncarz, a Democrat, called the blizzard \"the worst storm probably in our lifetime,\" even for an area known for heavy snow. More bodies are expected to be found as the snow is cleared or melts.\" \nWtf does their political affiliation have to do with anything? \n\"Jeff here, who loves cheese, was devastated when his wife was unable to be rescued from her car\".",
">\n\nPeople need to know if they should agree or disagree with the statement about the storm.",
">\n\nWhat?!? He’s a democrat? \nThat’s all I needed to hear to know that this definitely was NOT the worst storm in the city’s history, typical democrat fear mongering.\nTheres no more bodies to find, but I’m sure the democrats will claim they found more bodies just to justify more government spending. They’ll be counting people that died 3 weeks ago as storm deaths. They count bodies the same way they count votes for Biden. LGB!!\n/s",
">\n\nRemenber: whatever out there isn't worth your life",
">\n\nWell said, just chill at your home safely till the storm reduces",
">\n\nMany houses do not have power and people are trying to get to the safety of a community shelter.",
">\n\nThis is true as well",
">\n\nI’m in buffalo we had no power for 74 hours and needed gas to run a generator to stay warm, to survive you have to make choices. There wasn’t even 911 services for the entire city for days.",
">\n\nIt's insane to me they announced no emergency services. It was like 48 hours. All the bodegas near me on the west side got robbed, pretty crazy.",
">\n\nIt is insane, and public services have to warn people and risk the looting. The government is a construct that's a failure when its needed lately. It's not going to get any better either...",
">\n\nThis is not the time to play on the roads, so stay off them",
">\n\nKind of hard to do that if you live in your car.",
">\n\nmy hometown 💔 my sister is still snowed in and had to walk to wegmans to try and get supplies. i really wish i could help",
">\n\nDoesn't help homeless people who have no choice.",
">\n\nMeanwhile, Starbucks etc. demanding to know why employees aren't clocked in",
">\n\nI happened to have my plans messed up from the weather, so I was chillin solo on Xmas. I couldn’t believe my local Starbucks was open. Give em a day, Jeaz! No one is missing Starbucks that day.",
">\n\nRight?\nI mean, it's one thing to be open on a holiday in a busy travel area, especially if you have staff who celebrate other holidays -- but floods, shootings, blizzards, holidays (where it's not necessary or at not busy stores). Pretty sure there is something in the \"How to Be Corporate\" manual that demands stores be open in the most ridiculous situations without exception; in fact, that more ridiculous the more critical it is for the store to be fully staffed :/",
">\n\nFor the people looking in from outside the area, the people of WNY take pride in being able to survive storms with minimal disruption. And remember that we just got thru a monumental storm just before thanksgiving. But unless you are at least 55 yrs old you can’t really remember conditions like those of last week. It was on a whole different level and all the local weatherman warnings about it’s impending severity couldn’t convince a large number of the population. The fact that they hype up a normal lake effect snow storm every 10 days may have played a small part in people disregarding the warnings but that’s a whole other conversation.",
">\n\nThe size of the Low and the massive pressure gradient between it and the cold high behind it was absolutely nuts.",
">\n\n\"but you're still coming in for your shift, right?\" - management",
">\n\nThese managers and store owners should be prosecuted and go to jail.",
">\n\nI'm looking forward to the several lawsuits from employees over their bosses making them show up to work.",
">\n\nThe people at those jobs don't have the means to sue. And if they do the company will stretch it out requiring court appearances but the employee doesn't have that many sick and vacation days so they either show up and lose their job or give up. People can't go that long without work to fight back against the evil bastards. The only chance is a large class action or if the business gets enough bad publicity that they settle.",
">\n\nSo did folks stock up on supplies before this thing hit? If you can't drive you can't get to the grocery store or pharmacy.",
">\n\nThis is why they say you should have 2 weeks worth of non-perishable food at home at all times. Even if it's just soup or pasta. Because there will come a time when you're stuck for several days and everything is shut down. I know it sucks because so many are living paycheck to paycheck, but it's important to have that little stash of food (and medicine).",
">\n\nExactly. Everyone should have an emergency kit.",
">\n\nYou know how bad it is after you learn Buffalo is a place that is no stranger to snow, cold snaps and blizzards.",
">\n\nMy mum couldn’t understand why there have been so many deaths and as someone who’s only been following the situation from a distance I couldn’t really give her a confident answer. Are people dying from being caught in the blizzard outside? Are they trapped inside with no heating or supplies and succumbing to the cold? Is it primarily elderly people? Was this storm foreseen and were people warned to be prepared?",
">\n\nThe snow was so bad, people got stuck on the road. For over 24 hours there were NO emergency services available because ALL their vehicles were stuck. People froze to death or died from carbon monoxide b/c they ran their motors for heat.\nWe has sustained 75mph winds on Friday that immediately knock power out, and heat for those without gas. Water pipes broke. Fires. People became disoriented walking & just fell over & died. The snow was heavy, so shoveling caused heart attacks.\nNo one could prepare us for this. I have lived in the Buffalo area for 54 years. I have seen storms, but not like this.",
">\n\nWe have gas heat but it’s forced air so no power= no heat. (Luckily we only had power flicker a few times- houses down the street lost power). \nI said elsewhere- I’ve never been in a situation where we were told “no emergency services- you’re on your own”. Maybe it happened in ‘77 but I was 5 then and I honestly don’t remember the storm.",
">\n\nI was 9 in '77 so I don't remember a lot either. I was also in Chautauqua county then & like this storm, it wasn't as bad down there. \nI am in Southtowns now. I agree 100% that this is a storm like no other in my lifetime. First the 5+ feet of snow a couple weeks ago, now this.\nWe were lucky too. I am SO GLAD you survived!🙏 Too many sad stories that didn't need to happen, and on Christmas no less. Peace & Go Bills!",
">\n\nThis is exactly why I hate snow. I know it's fun to ski and make snowmen and have snow ball fights. It's when you have to clear the snow due to it hindering something or drive in it, deaths result.",
">\n\nNo hair, our skin hurts in low temps, Our noses dont work under low humidity. For all intents and purposes, humans aren't meant to live in the cold.",
">\n\nEmployers:”Walk your ass to work. I’ll see you when the snow dies down because I took vacation.”",
">\n\nSome of those dead must be chili's managers who blew a blood vessel screaming at min wage workers that this storm \" wasn't that bad\" and \" we are going to be crazy busy\"",
">\n\n\"Well yes, but can you still come in? We're short-staffed. Be a team player! It's only a bit of snow!\"",
">\n\nBiggest issue people don’t understand; when you “have to” go to a store or run an errand and you get into an accident, you call 911.\nThose first responders shouldn’t be dealing with you right now, they should be trying to rescue any trapped victims that might still be alive.\nStop being selfish, stay off the roads and if you actually need something, ask neighbors for help, pool your resources and become a better community while others are given a chance to survive.",
">\n\nEmergency services were turned off for 2 days during the storm. The city was completely inaccessible so if you get into an accident you're on your own. My street (a main street in the heart of the west side) had a snow drift as high a stoplight blocking all access. Down the way was an abandoned semitruck blocking the entire road as well as other abandoned cars sprinkled across the landscape. The whole city was like this.",
">\n\nStill there will be a lot of people who think the ban doesn't apply to them because they have to go see grandma.",
">\n\nOr they're homeless and don't have anywhere else to go",
">\n\nHopefully people stay off the roads, bc this is no time to play",
">\n\nI still don't know anyone personally who has been ticketed for driving during the ban. I think they should automatically ticket every car that was abandoned on a bus route and let the owner explain why they were driving during the ban to determine if they have to pay the fine. People will not obey laws if there's no enforcement.\nPayloaders came down my street last night (Tuesday), so I was able to drive to ECMC to pick up my wife, but on my way there, a friend of mine texted me \"we're at the bar if you want to swing by\". Considering that the bartender had to drive in from Tonawanda, that bar should have been closed.",
">\n\nWonder how many people did it anyways in the name of “muh freedom” then ran to an already overworked emergency room when their stupidity backfired",
">\n\nEmergency Room? Nobody could get to the hospital and there were no ambulances",
">\n\nNewspapers had a combination of revenue. Income from subscribers and newsboxes proved their circulation which helped them sell ads. When people stopped paying for the paper they were also no longer eyeballs for the ads. And the fact that they paid to read in the first place contributes to the investment each party has in the advertiser, publication, readership relationship. \nBasic news reporting is worth every penny you pay, and even subscribing you should still look at every article critically for spin. Anyone who gives it to you free has an angle of their own.\nEdited to add: my parents subscribed to papers. I just read the headlines.",
">\n\nI worked at a small town paper with circulation about 30k (weekend) and we had about $12k daily revenue from classifieds ads that vaporized when craigslist came. Went from 10-14 pages of classifieds to half a page. Classifieds subsidized a lot of the paper.",
">\n\nYeah, competition for eyeballs went way way up in the digital age where investment costs are so so low compared to physical media overhead",
">\n\nIt's honestly really sad, that paper employed probably 100-150 ppl when i was there and now it does not exist on a local level.. there are some freelance reporters and photogs who submit stories but everything else is handled on a national level - there's a customer service call center, photo color correction is a central department for hundreds of papers, etc. They contract the press work to another larger paper and the delivery is handled by 1099 contractors. Local news barely exists anymore.",
">\n\nDriving ban? Where are the “my Freedumbs” people when you need them? This is unconstitutional! This is an overreach of government! Unbelievable! \n/s",
">\n\nAny good american would have taken out their AR15 and shot the blizzard..\n/s",
">\n\nI got DOWNVOTED for SARCASM!?! \nFuck you Reddit! lol :-)",
">\n\nTired of the \"muh freedumb\" constant complainers... I really feel bad for the common sense people of the area. Same people, \"why do weather forecasters always speak in sensationalism and hyperbole?\"",
">\n\nNo protests about government overreach?",
">\n\nIsn't it about to be warm again. Wondr8ng how much of this snow will melt with a few days above freezing and rain",
">\n\nThey’re already trying to warn people who live in known flooding areas.",
">\n\nThere are homes still without power, and people have died waiting for emergency personnel, but if you try to travel to a warm home or a hospital yourself, they'll sic the cops on you.",
">\n\nhow did they die? stuck in their cars?",
">\n\nYet another example of how shitty America's car-centric infrastructure is.",
">\n\nWow! Maybe national guard takes orders from homes and delivers them so that people don’t have to leave house out of desperation!! Wow!",
">\n\nNo driving... But is my snowmobile good to go? How about my Ranger on tracks? I feel like people that have proper modes of transportation for the region should get a pass.",
">\n\nplows were getting stuck",
">\n\nI guess we need to blame the governor and senators for this weather event. Or do we only do that in Texas",
">\n\nThey’re not blamed for the weather event but how they react to it.",
">\n\nSo how are officials in NY reacting to this? People still without power, cars and people stranded everywhere. Deathtoll still rising. I guess the governor only gets held accountable when he/she has an R next to their name.",
">\n\nYeah... New York didn't disconnect their power grid from the rest of the nation in order to avoid oversight only to have it collapse under stress that would otherwise be manageable.",
">\n\nSo what is the excuse in NY then?",
">\n\nActually extreme weather rather than temperatures barely below zero."
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As someone used to driving in snow, it's easy to criticize people that can't.
Which is not at all fair. Having to learn a new skill in an emergency situation is pretty rough.
Good luck, hang in there!
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"31 deaths is crazy… stay safe out there!",
">\n\nI'm in Ohio and had to be the bad guy to my in-laws by saying we weren't coming to Christmas Eve, then they called the next day and said it took them an hour to drive 10 minutes home from the dinner we skipped and how dangerous it was. \nSome people gotta touch an oven to see if it's hot when you tell them ¯\\ಠಠ_/¯",
">\n\nAlso in Ohio. Called out of work the day of the storm even though it was only a 15 min drive away. Roads were still not cleared fully 2 days later.",
">\n\nI called out on Friday, I do not like my job enough to risk my life for it, especially during the holiday rush.",
">\n\nDon't get me wrong. My job is great and it pays well. But money is money and it'll cost a lot more for my loved ones to arrange my funeral than it would for me to miss a day of work.",
">\n\nI’m in BC where we got hit pretty bad last week, and my ethos was, “I get paid less in a day than my car insurance deductible costs”",
">\n\nHaha I’m gonna remember this",
">\n\nEmergency services were turned off for 2 days during the storm. The city was completely inaccessible so if you get into an accident you're on your own. My street (a main street in the heart of the west side) had a snow drift as high a stoplight blocking all access. Down the way was an abandoned semitruck blocking the entire road as well as other abandoned cars sprinkled across the landscape completely buried in snow. Trees fallen everywhere too. The whole city was like this.\nI knew it was going to be bad but this one was BAD",
">\n\nYou’ve been hit hard twice and it’s only December. Do you think about moving? Just curious. I live in Maine but come from Rochester NY and I don’t think I could deal with that level of disaster anymore.",
">\n\nGrew up in Rochester as well, moved to Southern Louisiana to get away from the snow. In the 90's I got cuaght several times on the stretch of 90 between Buffalo and Erie and wasn't sure I'd make it home. The snow through there is crazy, I would just follow a semi at a distance and if he went off the road I knew to stop.",
">\n\ndriving around with Semi-traction can be a bit dangerous sometimes.",
">\n\nIf they've got a full load they do better than cars and have more experienced drivers so I follow them too. But with an empty trailer they're screwed in high winds. I was thinking of passing one in Chicago snowstorm but the back drifted just a bit so I slowed down and kept back. Sure enough a few minutes later a gust caught him and the trailer swung across a couple lanes and almost jackknifed. Driver did a great job of getting it straightened back out so kudos to him! That was a long ass stressful drive back home though. I was exhausted.",
">\n\nThis is why people would rush to the store to buy up things like eggs, bread, milk, butter, TP, paper towels, etc... Sure people always panic when it's just a little snow but overall, these types of storms are why.",
">\n\nAlso why it's good to have some canned/dried goods. I keep about 4-5 days worth of soups, canned goods, rice, ramen, clean it out every once in a while if it doesn't get used. It's not costly either, that stuff is fairly cheap. \nBut man, this is pretty crazy. I think the most I've ever been trapped (no driving ban, just felt safe to leave) was 3 days in 2010 for \"Snowmaggedon\", these poor folks are almost going on a week.",
">\n\nYou keep 4-5 days worth?... I feel like I may be a hoarder if 4-5 days is considered a good amount.",
">\n\n4-5 days worth of food is nothing. I live in Louisiana and that’s the bare minimum in my opinion.",
">\n\nI'm pretty sure we have a month's worth of food all combined. Lots of dried beans and rice too. For me, it's to be prepared, and because of the poverty I've experienced, where all my food was from the food bank.",
">\n\nThat's very smart. Dried beans and rice are heaven when you have ZERO access. People don't understand that. it's not about what you want to eat in a disaster, its about eating high caloric/protein meals and staying adequately 'full', or, at the very least, having enough food to have some energy output.",
">\n\nAnother thing is maintaining a more positive mental state. When you don't meet the daily nutritive threshold it can mess with your head. Bad thought loops are the last thing you need in a natural disaster.",
">\n\nThis is 100 why I keep 'mental health food' in my pantry. A chocolate bar. Liquid IVs. Canned fruit. Stuff I know will boost me when I'm low. It helped so much during Ida.",
">\n\nEvery business that stayed open and didn't give their employees the option to stay home should be prosecuted. These people would t have been out in this if it wasn't for fear of losing their jobs. It's disgusting.",
">\n\nToo bad our elected officials don't represent their constituents' interests. Or rather they consider the businesses their constuents, rather than the voters.",
">\n\n\nOr rather they consider the businesses their constituents, rather than the voters.\n\nConservatives make no secret at all about this, and their voters are very straightforward about valuing business owners over regular people.",
">\n\nIt's not just conservatives, sadly. Both parties represent corporations over human beings.",
">\n\nTrue, but conservatives have turned the \"small business owner\" into an identity that they leverage against anybody who might need any sort of govt protections; the narrative is always that JimBob's Tire Emporium will go under if he has to pay over $8/hour or offer insurance. They all see themselves as JimBob. It's a really good trick.\nDems are for sure corrupt and support a lot of corporate agenda items but they campaign on individual wage and debt issues and do actually pass legislation. They're less psychopathic.",
">\n\nAnd yet conservative's talk about small business that way, but vote every damn time to make sure that larger companies get advantages - and those small businesses fail.",
">\n\nSo do Dems. Follow the money, both parties are propped up by the foulest industries and that isn't even considering dark money and super PACS.",
">\n\nI do, but I also look at the voting records. We need to get more people to run under \"Working Families\"that arent just \"better than the worse\" of the democrats.",
">\n\nLowes doesn't care. Still forcing employees to come in",
">\n\nI recently learned from a former Lowe’s employee that they have some sort of agreement with the government to be considered essential so that people and emergency services can get generators and equipment from them",
">\n\njesus, that's a lot of fucking snow \nlooking at that i'm having a mild ptsd from the four straight days of shoveling/blowing last week here in northern WI",
">\n\nHi fellow Northwoods resident!\nThe blow snow is the worst part. Stupid snow drifts. \nAlthough. My subdivision went from an open field to a street full of houses this summer. So the drifting is down considerably.",
">\n\nWyoming enters the chat Someone talking about snowdrifts? The jackalopes have it tough this year.",
">\n\nJesus I saw that Cheyenne dropped 32 degrees in temp in 10 minutes. That is seriously insane weather.",
">\n\nIt was awesome! \nDay after tomorrow quotes for a week! \nWe never lost power so it was a win. What's funny is that it was around 25 this morning. Still wearing short sleeve shirts after the last frost. It was crazy! Hope y'all are safe.",
">\n\nOne wonders if there is a list of missing people and if so, how long the list is",
">\n\nI saw a fucked up video of people coming across someone frozen on the ground.",
">\n\nThat's cold asf",
">\n\nYeah both what they were saying and acting and the fact the person froze to death.",
">\n\nI once slept outside in 5 to 10 degree weather, I hope all the homeless got somewhere warm.",
">\n\n\"Poloncarz, a Democrat, called the blizzard \"the worst storm probably in our lifetime,\" even for an area known for heavy snow. More bodies are expected to be found as the snow is cleared or melts.\" \nWtf does their political affiliation have to do with anything? \n\"Jeff here, who loves cheese, was devastated when his wife was unable to be rescued from her car\".",
">\n\nPeople need to know if they should agree or disagree with the statement about the storm.",
">\n\nWhat?!? He’s a democrat? \nThat’s all I needed to hear to know that this definitely was NOT the worst storm in the city’s history, typical democrat fear mongering.\nTheres no more bodies to find, but I’m sure the democrats will claim they found more bodies just to justify more government spending. They’ll be counting people that died 3 weeks ago as storm deaths. They count bodies the same way they count votes for Biden. LGB!!\n/s",
">\n\nRemenber: whatever out there isn't worth your life",
">\n\nWell said, just chill at your home safely till the storm reduces",
">\n\nMany houses do not have power and people are trying to get to the safety of a community shelter.",
">\n\nThis is true as well",
">\n\nI’m in buffalo we had no power for 74 hours and needed gas to run a generator to stay warm, to survive you have to make choices. There wasn’t even 911 services for the entire city for days.",
">\n\nIt's insane to me they announced no emergency services. It was like 48 hours. All the bodegas near me on the west side got robbed, pretty crazy.",
">\n\nIt is insane, and public services have to warn people and risk the looting. The government is a construct that's a failure when its needed lately. It's not going to get any better either...",
">\n\nThis is not the time to play on the roads, so stay off them",
">\n\nKind of hard to do that if you live in your car.",
">\n\nmy hometown 💔 my sister is still snowed in and had to walk to wegmans to try and get supplies. i really wish i could help",
">\n\nDoesn't help homeless people who have no choice.",
">\n\nMeanwhile, Starbucks etc. demanding to know why employees aren't clocked in",
">\n\nI happened to have my plans messed up from the weather, so I was chillin solo on Xmas. I couldn’t believe my local Starbucks was open. Give em a day, Jeaz! No one is missing Starbucks that day.",
">\n\nRight?\nI mean, it's one thing to be open on a holiday in a busy travel area, especially if you have staff who celebrate other holidays -- but floods, shootings, blizzards, holidays (where it's not necessary or at not busy stores). Pretty sure there is something in the \"How to Be Corporate\" manual that demands stores be open in the most ridiculous situations without exception; in fact, that more ridiculous the more critical it is for the store to be fully staffed :/",
">\n\nFor the people looking in from outside the area, the people of WNY take pride in being able to survive storms with minimal disruption. And remember that we just got thru a monumental storm just before thanksgiving. But unless you are at least 55 yrs old you can’t really remember conditions like those of last week. It was on a whole different level and all the local weatherman warnings about it’s impending severity couldn’t convince a large number of the population. The fact that they hype up a normal lake effect snow storm every 10 days may have played a small part in people disregarding the warnings but that’s a whole other conversation.",
">\n\nThe size of the Low and the massive pressure gradient between it and the cold high behind it was absolutely nuts.",
">\n\n\"but you're still coming in for your shift, right?\" - management",
">\n\nThese managers and store owners should be prosecuted and go to jail.",
">\n\nI'm looking forward to the several lawsuits from employees over their bosses making them show up to work.",
">\n\nThe people at those jobs don't have the means to sue. And if they do the company will stretch it out requiring court appearances but the employee doesn't have that many sick and vacation days so they either show up and lose their job or give up. People can't go that long without work to fight back against the evil bastards. The only chance is a large class action or if the business gets enough bad publicity that they settle.",
">\n\nSo did folks stock up on supplies before this thing hit? If you can't drive you can't get to the grocery store or pharmacy.",
">\n\nThis is why they say you should have 2 weeks worth of non-perishable food at home at all times. Even if it's just soup or pasta. Because there will come a time when you're stuck for several days and everything is shut down. I know it sucks because so many are living paycheck to paycheck, but it's important to have that little stash of food (and medicine).",
">\n\nExactly. Everyone should have an emergency kit.",
">\n\nYou know how bad it is after you learn Buffalo is a place that is no stranger to snow, cold snaps and blizzards.",
">\n\nMy mum couldn’t understand why there have been so many deaths and as someone who’s only been following the situation from a distance I couldn’t really give her a confident answer. Are people dying from being caught in the blizzard outside? Are they trapped inside with no heating or supplies and succumbing to the cold? Is it primarily elderly people? Was this storm foreseen and were people warned to be prepared?",
">\n\nThe snow was so bad, people got stuck on the road. For over 24 hours there were NO emergency services available because ALL their vehicles were stuck. People froze to death or died from carbon monoxide b/c they ran their motors for heat.\nWe has sustained 75mph winds on Friday that immediately knock power out, and heat for those without gas. Water pipes broke. Fires. People became disoriented walking & just fell over & died. The snow was heavy, so shoveling caused heart attacks.\nNo one could prepare us for this. I have lived in the Buffalo area for 54 years. I have seen storms, but not like this.",
">\n\nWe have gas heat but it’s forced air so no power= no heat. (Luckily we only had power flicker a few times- houses down the street lost power). \nI said elsewhere- I’ve never been in a situation where we were told “no emergency services- you’re on your own”. Maybe it happened in ‘77 but I was 5 then and I honestly don’t remember the storm.",
">\n\nI was 9 in '77 so I don't remember a lot either. I was also in Chautauqua county then & like this storm, it wasn't as bad down there. \nI am in Southtowns now. I agree 100% that this is a storm like no other in my lifetime. First the 5+ feet of snow a couple weeks ago, now this.\nWe were lucky too. I am SO GLAD you survived!🙏 Too many sad stories that didn't need to happen, and on Christmas no less. Peace & Go Bills!",
">\n\nThis is exactly why I hate snow. I know it's fun to ski and make snowmen and have snow ball fights. It's when you have to clear the snow due to it hindering something or drive in it, deaths result.",
">\n\nNo hair, our skin hurts in low temps, Our noses dont work under low humidity. For all intents and purposes, humans aren't meant to live in the cold.",
">\n\nEmployers:”Walk your ass to work. I’ll see you when the snow dies down because I took vacation.”",
">\n\nSome of those dead must be chili's managers who blew a blood vessel screaming at min wage workers that this storm \" wasn't that bad\" and \" we are going to be crazy busy\"",
">\n\n\"Well yes, but can you still come in? We're short-staffed. Be a team player! It's only a bit of snow!\"",
">\n\nBiggest issue people don’t understand; when you “have to” go to a store or run an errand and you get into an accident, you call 911.\nThose first responders shouldn’t be dealing with you right now, they should be trying to rescue any trapped victims that might still be alive.\nStop being selfish, stay off the roads and if you actually need something, ask neighbors for help, pool your resources and become a better community while others are given a chance to survive.",
">\n\nEmergency services were turned off for 2 days during the storm. The city was completely inaccessible so if you get into an accident you're on your own. My street (a main street in the heart of the west side) had a snow drift as high a stoplight blocking all access. Down the way was an abandoned semitruck blocking the entire road as well as other abandoned cars sprinkled across the landscape. The whole city was like this.",
">\n\nStill there will be a lot of people who think the ban doesn't apply to them because they have to go see grandma.",
">\n\nOr they're homeless and don't have anywhere else to go",
">\n\nHopefully people stay off the roads, bc this is no time to play",
">\n\nI still don't know anyone personally who has been ticketed for driving during the ban. I think they should automatically ticket every car that was abandoned on a bus route and let the owner explain why they were driving during the ban to determine if they have to pay the fine. People will not obey laws if there's no enforcement.\nPayloaders came down my street last night (Tuesday), so I was able to drive to ECMC to pick up my wife, but on my way there, a friend of mine texted me \"we're at the bar if you want to swing by\". Considering that the bartender had to drive in from Tonawanda, that bar should have been closed.",
">\n\nWonder how many people did it anyways in the name of “muh freedom” then ran to an already overworked emergency room when their stupidity backfired",
">\n\nEmergency Room? Nobody could get to the hospital and there were no ambulances",
">\n\nNewspapers had a combination of revenue. Income from subscribers and newsboxes proved their circulation which helped them sell ads. When people stopped paying for the paper they were also no longer eyeballs for the ads. And the fact that they paid to read in the first place contributes to the investment each party has in the advertiser, publication, readership relationship. \nBasic news reporting is worth every penny you pay, and even subscribing you should still look at every article critically for spin. Anyone who gives it to you free has an angle of their own.\nEdited to add: my parents subscribed to papers. I just read the headlines.",
">\n\nI worked at a small town paper with circulation about 30k (weekend) and we had about $12k daily revenue from classifieds ads that vaporized when craigslist came. Went from 10-14 pages of classifieds to half a page. Classifieds subsidized a lot of the paper.",
">\n\nYeah, competition for eyeballs went way way up in the digital age where investment costs are so so low compared to physical media overhead",
">\n\nIt's honestly really sad, that paper employed probably 100-150 ppl when i was there and now it does not exist on a local level.. there are some freelance reporters and photogs who submit stories but everything else is handled on a national level - there's a customer service call center, photo color correction is a central department for hundreds of papers, etc. They contract the press work to another larger paper and the delivery is handled by 1099 contractors. Local news barely exists anymore.",
">\n\nDriving ban? Where are the “my Freedumbs” people when you need them? This is unconstitutional! This is an overreach of government! Unbelievable! \n/s",
">\n\nAny good american would have taken out their AR15 and shot the blizzard..\n/s",
">\n\nI got DOWNVOTED for SARCASM!?! \nFuck you Reddit! lol :-)",
">\n\nTired of the \"muh freedumb\" constant complainers... I really feel bad for the common sense people of the area. Same people, \"why do weather forecasters always speak in sensationalism and hyperbole?\"",
">\n\nNo protests about government overreach?",
">\n\nIsn't it about to be warm again. Wondr8ng how much of this snow will melt with a few days above freezing and rain",
">\n\nThey’re already trying to warn people who live in known flooding areas.",
">\n\nThere are homes still without power, and people have died waiting for emergency personnel, but if you try to travel to a warm home or a hospital yourself, they'll sic the cops on you.",
">\n\nhow did they die? stuck in their cars?",
">\n\nYet another example of how shitty America's car-centric infrastructure is.",
">\n\nWow! Maybe national guard takes orders from homes and delivers them so that people don’t have to leave house out of desperation!! Wow!",
">\n\nNo driving... But is my snowmobile good to go? How about my Ranger on tracks? I feel like people that have proper modes of transportation for the region should get a pass.",
">\n\nplows were getting stuck",
">\n\nI guess we need to blame the governor and senators for this weather event. Or do we only do that in Texas",
">\n\nThey’re not blamed for the weather event but how they react to it.",
">\n\nSo how are officials in NY reacting to this? People still without power, cars and people stranded everywhere. Deathtoll still rising. I guess the governor only gets held accountable when he/she has an R next to their name.",
">\n\nYeah... New York didn't disconnect their power grid from the rest of the nation in order to avoid oversight only to have it collapse under stress that would otherwise be manageable.",
">\n\nSo what is the excuse in NY then?",
">\n\nActually extreme weather rather than temperatures barely below zero.",
">\n\nTexas power grid handles sustained summers with weeks over 100* \nCalifornias can barely survive 90* weeks\nMaybe grids are built for their usual climates"
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No one should be driving in 4 feet of snow. It is tragic that we lost so many lives. I’m watching this from Syracuse and I’m devastated.
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"31 deaths is crazy… stay safe out there!",
">\n\nI'm in Ohio and had to be the bad guy to my in-laws by saying we weren't coming to Christmas Eve, then they called the next day and said it took them an hour to drive 10 minutes home from the dinner we skipped and how dangerous it was. \nSome people gotta touch an oven to see if it's hot when you tell them ¯\\ಠಠ_/¯",
">\n\nAlso in Ohio. Called out of work the day of the storm even though it was only a 15 min drive away. Roads were still not cleared fully 2 days later.",
">\n\nI called out on Friday, I do not like my job enough to risk my life for it, especially during the holiday rush.",
">\n\nDon't get me wrong. My job is great and it pays well. But money is money and it'll cost a lot more for my loved ones to arrange my funeral than it would for me to miss a day of work.",
">\n\nI’m in BC where we got hit pretty bad last week, and my ethos was, “I get paid less in a day than my car insurance deductible costs”",
">\n\nHaha I’m gonna remember this",
">\n\nEmergency services were turned off for 2 days during the storm. The city was completely inaccessible so if you get into an accident you're on your own. My street (a main street in the heart of the west side) had a snow drift as high a stoplight blocking all access. Down the way was an abandoned semitruck blocking the entire road as well as other abandoned cars sprinkled across the landscape completely buried in snow. Trees fallen everywhere too. The whole city was like this.\nI knew it was going to be bad but this one was BAD",
">\n\nYou’ve been hit hard twice and it’s only December. Do you think about moving? Just curious. I live in Maine but come from Rochester NY and I don’t think I could deal with that level of disaster anymore.",
">\n\nGrew up in Rochester as well, moved to Southern Louisiana to get away from the snow. In the 90's I got cuaght several times on the stretch of 90 between Buffalo and Erie and wasn't sure I'd make it home. The snow through there is crazy, I would just follow a semi at a distance and if he went off the road I knew to stop.",
">\n\ndriving around with Semi-traction can be a bit dangerous sometimes.",
">\n\nIf they've got a full load they do better than cars and have more experienced drivers so I follow them too. But with an empty trailer they're screwed in high winds. I was thinking of passing one in Chicago snowstorm but the back drifted just a bit so I slowed down and kept back. Sure enough a few minutes later a gust caught him and the trailer swung across a couple lanes and almost jackknifed. Driver did a great job of getting it straightened back out so kudos to him! That was a long ass stressful drive back home though. I was exhausted.",
">\n\nThis is why people would rush to the store to buy up things like eggs, bread, milk, butter, TP, paper towels, etc... Sure people always panic when it's just a little snow but overall, these types of storms are why.",
">\n\nAlso why it's good to have some canned/dried goods. I keep about 4-5 days worth of soups, canned goods, rice, ramen, clean it out every once in a while if it doesn't get used. It's not costly either, that stuff is fairly cheap. \nBut man, this is pretty crazy. I think the most I've ever been trapped (no driving ban, just felt safe to leave) was 3 days in 2010 for \"Snowmaggedon\", these poor folks are almost going on a week.",
">\n\nYou keep 4-5 days worth?... I feel like I may be a hoarder if 4-5 days is considered a good amount.",
">\n\n4-5 days worth of food is nothing. I live in Louisiana and that’s the bare minimum in my opinion.",
">\n\nI'm pretty sure we have a month's worth of food all combined. Lots of dried beans and rice too. For me, it's to be prepared, and because of the poverty I've experienced, where all my food was from the food bank.",
">\n\nThat's very smart. Dried beans and rice are heaven when you have ZERO access. People don't understand that. it's not about what you want to eat in a disaster, its about eating high caloric/protein meals and staying adequately 'full', or, at the very least, having enough food to have some energy output.",
">\n\nAnother thing is maintaining a more positive mental state. When you don't meet the daily nutritive threshold it can mess with your head. Bad thought loops are the last thing you need in a natural disaster.",
">\n\nThis is 100 why I keep 'mental health food' in my pantry. A chocolate bar. Liquid IVs. Canned fruit. Stuff I know will boost me when I'm low. It helped so much during Ida.",
">\n\nEvery business that stayed open and didn't give their employees the option to stay home should be prosecuted. These people would t have been out in this if it wasn't for fear of losing their jobs. It's disgusting.",
">\n\nToo bad our elected officials don't represent their constituents' interests. Or rather they consider the businesses their constuents, rather than the voters.",
">\n\n\nOr rather they consider the businesses their constituents, rather than the voters.\n\nConservatives make no secret at all about this, and their voters are very straightforward about valuing business owners over regular people.",
">\n\nIt's not just conservatives, sadly. Both parties represent corporations over human beings.",
">\n\nTrue, but conservatives have turned the \"small business owner\" into an identity that they leverage against anybody who might need any sort of govt protections; the narrative is always that JimBob's Tire Emporium will go under if he has to pay over $8/hour or offer insurance. They all see themselves as JimBob. It's a really good trick.\nDems are for sure corrupt and support a lot of corporate agenda items but they campaign on individual wage and debt issues and do actually pass legislation. They're less psychopathic.",
">\n\nAnd yet conservative's talk about small business that way, but vote every damn time to make sure that larger companies get advantages - and those small businesses fail.",
">\n\nSo do Dems. Follow the money, both parties are propped up by the foulest industries and that isn't even considering dark money and super PACS.",
">\n\nI do, but I also look at the voting records. We need to get more people to run under \"Working Families\"that arent just \"better than the worse\" of the democrats.",
">\n\nLowes doesn't care. Still forcing employees to come in",
">\n\nI recently learned from a former Lowe’s employee that they have some sort of agreement with the government to be considered essential so that people and emergency services can get generators and equipment from them",
">\n\njesus, that's a lot of fucking snow \nlooking at that i'm having a mild ptsd from the four straight days of shoveling/blowing last week here in northern WI",
">\n\nHi fellow Northwoods resident!\nThe blow snow is the worst part. Stupid snow drifts. \nAlthough. My subdivision went from an open field to a street full of houses this summer. So the drifting is down considerably.",
">\n\nWyoming enters the chat Someone talking about snowdrifts? The jackalopes have it tough this year.",
">\n\nJesus I saw that Cheyenne dropped 32 degrees in temp in 10 minutes. That is seriously insane weather.",
">\n\nIt was awesome! \nDay after tomorrow quotes for a week! \nWe never lost power so it was a win. What's funny is that it was around 25 this morning. Still wearing short sleeve shirts after the last frost. It was crazy! Hope y'all are safe.",
">\n\nOne wonders if there is a list of missing people and if so, how long the list is",
">\n\nI saw a fucked up video of people coming across someone frozen on the ground.",
">\n\nThat's cold asf",
">\n\nYeah both what they were saying and acting and the fact the person froze to death.",
">\n\nI once slept outside in 5 to 10 degree weather, I hope all the homeless got somewhere warm.",
">\n\n\"Poloncarz, a Democrat, called the blizzard \"the worst storm probably in our lifetime,\" even for an area known for heavy snow. More bodies are expected to be found as the snow is cleared or melts.\" \nWtf does their political affiliation have to do with anything? \n\"Jeff here, who loves cheese, was devastated when his wife was unable to be rescued from her car\".",
">\n\nPeople need to know if they should agree or disagree with the statement about the storm.",
">\n\nWhat?!? He’s a democrat? \nThat’s all I needed to hear to know that this definitely was NOT the worst storm in the city’s history, typical democrat fear mongering.\nTheres no more bodies to find, but I’m sure the democrats will claim they found more bodies just to justify more government spending. They’ll be counting people that died 3 weeks ago as storm deaths. They count bodies the same way they count votes for Biden. LGB!!\n/s",
">\n\nRemenber: whatever out there isn't worth your life",
">\n\nWell said, just chill at your home safely till the storm reduces",
">\n\nMany houses do not have power and people are trying to get to the safety of a community shelter.",
">\n\nThis is true as well",
">\n\nI’m in buffalo we had no power for 74 hours and needed gas to run a generator to stay warm, to survive you have to make choices. There wasn’t even 911 services for the entire city for days.",
">\n\nIt's insane to me they announced no emergency services. It was like 48 hours. All the bodegas near me on the west side got robbed, pretty crazy.",
">\n\nIt is insane, and public services have to warn people and risk the looting. The government is a construct that's a failure when its needed lately. It's not going to get any better either...",
">\n\nThis is not the time to play on the roads, so stay off them",
">\n\nKind of hard to do that if you live in your car.",
">\n\nmy hometown 💔 my sister is still snowed in and had to walk to wegmans to try and get supplies. i really wish i could help",
">\n\nDoesn't help homeless people who have no choice.",
">\n\nMeanwhile, Starbucks etc. demanding to know why employees aren't clocked in",
">\n\nI happened to have my plans messed up from the weather, so I was chillin solo on Xmas. I couldn’t believe my local Starbucks was open. Give em a day, Jeaz! No one is missing Starbucks that day.",
">\n\nRight?\nI mean, it's one thing to be open on a holiday in a busy travel area, especially if you have staff who celebrate other holidays -- but floods, shootings, blizzards, holidays (where it's not necessary or at not busy stores). Pretty sure there is something in the \"How to Be Corporate\" manual that demands stores be open in the most ridiculous situations without exception; in fact, that more ridiculous the more critical it is for the store to be fully staffed :/",
">\n\nFor the people looking in from outside the area, the people of WNY take pride in being able to survive storms with minimal disruption. And remember that we just got thru a monumental storm just before thanksgiving. But unless you are at least 55 yrs old you can’t really remember conditions like those of last week. It was on a whole different level and all the local weatherman warnings about it’s impending severity couldn’t convince a large number of the population. The fact that they hype up a normal lake effect snow storm every 10 days may have played a small part in people disregarding the warnings but that’s a whole other conversation.",
">\n\nThe size of the Low and the massive pressure gradient between it and the cold high behind it was absolutely nuts.",
">\n\n\"but you're still coming in for your shift, right?\" - management",
">\n\nThese managers and store owners should be prosecuted and go to jail.",
">\n\nI'm looking forward to the several lawsuits from employees over their bosses making them show up to work.",
">\n\nThe people at those jobs don't have the means to sue. And if they do the company will stretch it out requiring court appearances but the employee doesn't have that many sick and vacation days so they either show up and lose their job or give up. People can't go that long without work to fight back against the evil bastards. The only chance is a large class action or if the business gets enough bad publicity that they settle.",
">\n\nSo did folks stock up on supplies before this thing hit? If you can't drive you can't get to the grocery store or pharmacy.",
">\n\nThis is why they say you should have 2 weeks worth of non-perishable food at home at all times. Even if it's just soup or pasta. Because there will come a time when you're stuck for several days and everything is shut down. I know it sucks because so many are living paycheck to paycheck, but it's important to have that little stash of food (and medicine).",
">\n\nExactly. Everyone should have an emergency kit.",
">\n\nYou know how bad it is after you learn Buffalo is a place that is no stranger to snow, cold snaps and blizzards.",
">\n\nMy mum couldn’t understand why there have been so many deaths and as someone who’s only been following the situation from a distance I couldn’t really give her a confident answer. Are people dying from being caught in the blizzard outside? Are they trapped inside with no heating or supplies and succumbing to the cold? Is it primarily elderly people? Was this storm foreseen and were people warned to be prepared?",
">\n\nThe snow was so bad, people got stuck on the road. For over 24 hours there were NO emergency services available because ALL their vehicles were stuck. People froze to death or died from carbon monoxide b/c they ran their motors for heat.\nWe has sustained 75mph winds on Friday that immediately knock power out, and heat for those without gas. Water pipes broke. Fires. People became disoriented walking & just fell over & died. The snow was heavy, so shoveling caused heart attacks.\nNo one could prepare us for this. I have lived in the Buffalo area for 54 years. I have seen storms, but not like this.",
">\n\nWe have gas heat but it’s forced air so no power= no heat. (Luckily we only had power flicker a few times- houses down the street lost power). \nI said elsewhere- I’ve never been in a situation where we were told “no emergency services- you’re on your own”. Maybe it happened in ‘77 but I was 5 then and I honestly don’t remember the storm.",
">\n\nI was 9 in '77 so I don't remember a lot either. I was also in Chautauqua county then & like this storm, it wasn't as bad down there. \nI am in Southtowns now. I agree 100% that this is a storm like no other in my lifetime. First the 5+ feet of snow a couple weeks ago, now this.\nWe were lucky too. I am SO GLAD you survived!🙏 Too many sad stories that didn't need to happen, and on Christmas no less. Peace & Go Bills!",
">\n\nThis is exactly why I hate snow. I know it's fun to ski and make snowmen and have snow ball fights. It's when you have to clear the snow due to it hindering something or drive in it, deaths result.",
">\n\nNo hair, our skin hurts in low temps, Our noses dont work under low humidity. For all intents and purposes, humans aren't meant to live in the cold.",
">\n\nEmployers:”Walk your ass to work. I’ll see you when the snow dies down because I took vacation.”",
">\n\nSome of those dead must be chili's managers who blew a blood vessel screaming at min wage workers that this storm \" wasn't that bad\" and \" we are going to be crazy busy\"",
">\n\n\"Well yes, but can you still come in? We're short-staffed. Be a team player! It's only a bit of snow!\"",
">\n\nBiggest issue people don’t understand; when you “have to” go to a store or run an errand and you get into an accident, you call 911.\nThose first responders shouldn’t be dealing with you right now, they should be trying to rescue any trapped victims that might still be alive.\nStop being selfish, stay off the roads and if you actually need something, ask neighbors for help, pool your resources and become a better community while others are given a chance to survive.",
">\n\nEmergency services were turned off for 2 days during the storm. The city was completely inaccessible so if you get into an accident you're on your own. My street (a main street in the heart of the west side) had a snow drift as high a stoplight blocking all access. Down the way was an abandoned semitruck blocking the entire road as well as other abandoned cars sprinkled across the landscape. The whole city was like this.",
">\n\nStill there will be a lot of people who think the ban doesn't apply to them because they have to go see grandma.",
">\n\nOr they're homeless and don't have anywhere else to go",
">\n\nHopefully people stay off the roads, bc this is no time to play",
">\n\nI still don't know anyone personally who has been ticketed for driving during the ban. I think they should automatically ticket every car that was abandoned on a bus route and let the owner explain why they were driving during the ban to determine if they have to pay the fine. People will not obey laws if there's no enforcement.\nPayloaders came down my street last night (Tuesday), so I was able to drive to ECMC to pick up my wife, but on my way there, a friend of mine texted me \"we're at the bar if you want to swing by\". Considering that the bartender had to drive in from Tonawanda, that bar should have been closed.",
">\n\nWonder how many people did it anyways in the name of “muh freedom” then ran to an already overworked emergency room when their stupidity backfired",
">\n\nEmergency Room? Nobody could get to the hospital and there were no ambulances",
">\n\nNewspapers had a combination of revenue. Income from subscribers and newsboxes proved their circulation which helped them sell ads. When people stopped paying for the paper they were also no longer eyeballs for the ads. And the fact that they paid to read in the first place contributes to the investment each party has in the advertiser, publication, readership relationship. \nBasic news reporting is worth every penny you pay, and even subscribing you should still look at every article critically for spin. Anyone who gives it to you free has an angle of their own.\nEdited to add: my parents subscribed to papers. I just read the headlines.",
">\n\nI worked at a small town paper with circulation about 30k (weekend) and we had about $12k daily revenue from classifieds ads that vaporized when craigslist came. Went from 10-14 pages of classifieds to half a page. Classifieds subsidized a lot of the paper.",
">\n\nYeah, competition for eyeballs went way way up in the digital age where investment costs are so so low compared to physical media overhead",
">\n\nIt's honestly really sad, that paper employed probably 100-150 ppl when i was there and now it does not exist on a local level.. there are some freelance reporters and photogs who submit stories but everything else is handled on a national level - there's a customer service call center, photo color correction is a central department for hundreds of papers, etc. They contract the press work to another larger paper and the delivery is handled by 1099 contractors. Local news barely exists anymore.",
">\n\nDriving ban? Where are the “my Freedumbs” people when you need them? This is unconstitutional! This is an overreach of government! Unbelievable! \n/s",
">\n\nAny good american would have taken out their AR15 and shot the blizzard..\n/s",
">\n\nI got DOWNVOTED for SARCASM!?! \nFuck you Reddit! lol :-)",
">\n\nTired of the \"muh freedumb\" constant complainers... I really feel bad for the common sense people of the area. Same people, \"why do weather forecasters always speak in sensationalism and hyperbole?\"",
">\n\nNo protests about government overreach?",
">\n\nIsn't it about to be warm again. Wondr8ng how much of this snow will melt with a few days above freezing and rain",
">\n\nThey’re already trying to warn people who live in known flooding areas.",
">\n\nThere are homes still without power, and people have died waiting for emergency personnel, but if you try to travel to a warm home or a hospital yourself, they'll sic the cops on you.",
">\n\nhow did they die? stuck in their cars?",
">\n\nYet another example of how shitty America's car-centric infrastructure is.",
">\n\nWow! Maybe national guard takes orders from homes and delivers them so that people don’t have to leave house out of desperation!! Wow!",
">\n\nNo driving... But is my snowmobile good to go? How about my Ranger on tracks? I feel like people that have proper modes of transportation for the region should get a pass.",
">\n\nplows were getting stuck",
">\n\nI guess we need to blame the governor and senators for this weather event. Or do we only do that in Texas",
">\n\nThey’re not blamed for the weather event but how they react to it.",
">\n\nSo how are officials in NY reacting to this? People still without power, cars and people stranded everywhere. Deathtoll still rising. I guess the governor only gets held accountable when he/she has an R next to their name.",
">\n\nYeah... New York didn't disconnect their power grid from the rest of the nation in order to avoid oversight only to have it collapse under stress that would otherwise be manageable.",
">\n\nSo what is the excuse in NY then?",
">\n\nActually extreme weather rather than temperatures barely below zero.",
">\n\nTexas power grid handles sustained summers with weeks over 100* \nCalifornias can barely survive 90* weeks\nMaybe grids are built for their usual climates",
">\n\nAs someone used to driving in snow, it's easy to criticize people that can't. \nWhich is not at all fair. Having to learn a new skill in an emergency situation is pretty rough.\nGood luck, hang in there!"
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"31 deaths is crazy… stay safe out there!",
">\n\nI'm in Ohio and had to be the bad guy to my in-laws by saying we weren't coming to Christmas Eve, then they called the next day and said it took them an hour to drive 10 minutes home from the dinner we skipped and how dangerous it was. \nSome people gotta touch an oven to see if it's hot when you tell them ¯\\ಠಠ_/¯",
">\n\nAlso in Ohio. Called out of work the day of the storm even though it was only a 15 min drive away. Roads were still not cleared fully 2 days later.",
">\n\nI called out on Friday, I do not like my job enough to risk my life for it, especially during the holiday rush.",
">\n\nDon't get me wrong. My job is great and it pays well. But money is money and it'll cost a lot more for my loved ones to arrange my funeral than it would for me to miss a day of work.",
">\n\nI’m in BC where we got hit pretty bad last week, and my ethos was, “I get paid less in a day than my car insurance deductible costs”",
">\n\nHaha I’m gonna remember this",
">\n\nEmergency services were turned off for 2 days during the storm. The city was completely inaccessible so if you get into an accident you're on your own. My street (a main street in the heart of the west side) had a snow drift as high a stoplight blocking all access. Down the way was an abandoned semitruck blocking the entire road as well as other abandoned cars sprinkled across the landscape completely buried in snow. Trees fallen everywhere too. The whole city was like this.\nI knew it was going to be bad but this one was BAD",
">\n\nYou’ve been hit hard twice and it’s only December. Do you think about moving? Just curious. I live in Maine but come from Rochester NY and I don’t think I could deal with that level of disaster anymore.",
">\n\nGrew up in Rochester as well, moved to Southern Louisiana to get away from the snow. In the 90's I got cuaght several times on the stretch of 90 between Buffalo and Erie and wasn't sure I'd make it home. The snow through there is crazy, I would just follow a semi at a distance and if he went off the road I knew to stop.",
">\n\ndriving around with Semi-traction can be a bit dangerous sometimes.",
">\n\nIf they've got a full load they do better than cars and have more experienced drivers so I follow them too. But with an empty trailer they're screwed in high winds. I was thinking of passing one in Chicago snowstorm but the back drifted just a bit so I slowed down and kept back. Sure enough a few minutes later a gust caught him and the trailer swung across a couple lanes and almost jackknifed. Driver did a great job of getting it straightened back out so kudos to him! That was a long ass stressful drive back home though. I was exhausted.",
">\n\nThis is why people would rush to the store to buy up things like eggs, bread, milk, butter, TP, paper towels, etc... Sure people always panic when it's just a little snow but overall, these types of storms are why.",
">\n\nAlso why it's good to have some canned/dried goods. I keep about 4-5 days worth of soups, canned goods, rice, ramen, clean it out every once in a while if it doesn't get used. It's not costly either, that stuff is fairly cheap. \nBut man, this is pretty crazy. I think the most I've ever been trapped (no driving ban, just felt safe to leave) was 3 days in 2010 for \"Snowmaggedon\", these poor folks are almost going on a week.",
">\n\nYou keep 4-5 days worth?... I feel like I may be a hoarder if 4-5 days is considered a good amount.",
">\n\n4-5 days worth of food is nothing. I live in Louisiana and that’s the bare minimum in my opinion.",
">\n\nI'm pretty sure we have a month's worth of food all combined. Lots of dried beans and rice too. For me, it's to be prepared, and because of the poverty I've experienced, where all my food was from the food bank.",
">\n\nThat's very smart. Dried beans and rice are heaven when you have ZERO access. People don't understand that. it's not about what you want to eat in a disaster, its about eating high caloric/protein meals and staying adequately 'full', or, at the very least, having enough food to have some energy output.",
">\n\nAnother thing is maintaining a more positive mental state. When you don't meet the daily nutritive threshold it can mess with your head. Bad thought loops are the last thing you need in a natural disaster.",
">\n\nThis is 100 why I keep 'mental health food' in my pantry. A chocolate bar. Liquid IVs. Canned fruit. Stuff I know will boost me when I'm low. It helped so much during Ida.",
">\n\nEvery business that stayed open and didn't give their employees the option to stay home should be prosecuted. These people would t have been out in this if it wasn't for fear of losing their jobs. It's disgusting.",
">\n\nToo bad our elected officials don't represent their constituents' interests. Or rather they consider the businesses their constuents, rather than the voters.",
">\n\n\nOr rather they consider the businesses their constituents, rather than the voters.\n\nConservatives make no secret at all about this, and their voters are very straightforward about valuing business owners over regular people.",
">\n\nIt's not just conservatives, sadly. Both parties represent corporations over human beings.",
">\n\nTrue, but conservatives have turned the \"small business owner\" into an identity that they leverage against anybody who might need any sort of govt protections; the narrative is always that JimBob's Tire Emporium will go under if he has to pay over $8/hour or offer insurance. They all see themselves as JimBob. It's a really good trick.\nDems are for sure corrupt and support a lot of corporate agenda items but they campaign on individual wage and debt issues and do actually pass legislation. They're less psychopathic.",
">\n\nAnd yet conservative's talk about small business that way, but vote every damn time to make sure that larger companies get advantages - and those small businesses fail.",
">\n\nSo do Dems. Follow the money, both parties are propped up by the foulest industries and that isn't even considering dark money and super PACS.",
">\n\nI do, but I also look at the voting records. We need to get more people to run under \"Working Families\"that arent just \"better than the worse\" of the democrats.",
">\n\nLowes doesn't care. Still forcing employees to come in",
">\n\nI recently learned from a former Lowe’s employee that they have some sort of agreement with the government to be considered essential so that people and emergency services can get generators and equipment from them",
">\n\njesus, that's a lot of fucking snow \nlooking at that i'm having a mild ptsd from the four straight days of shoveling/blowing last week here in northern WI",
">\n\nHi fellow Northwoods resident!\nThe blow snow is the worst part. Stupid snow drifts. \nAlthough. My subdivision went from an open field to a street full of houses this summer. So the drifting is down considerably.",
">\n\nWyoming enters the chat Someone talking about snowdrifts? The jackalopes have it tough this year.",
">\n\nJesus I saw that Cheyenne dropped 32 degrees in temp in 10 minutes. That is seriously insane weather.",
">\n\nIt was awesome! \nDay after tomorrow quotes for a week! \nWe never lost power so it was a win. What's funny is that it was around 25 this morning. Still wearing short sleeve shirts after the last frost. It was crazy! Hope y'all are safe.",
">\n\nOne wonders if there is a list of missing people and if so, how long the list is",
">\n\nI saw a fucked up video of people coming across someone frozen on the ground.",
">\n\nThat's cold asf",
">\n\nYeah both what they were saying and acting and the fact the person froze to death.",
">\n\nI once slept outside in 5 to 10 degree weather, I hope all the homeless got somewhere warm.",
">\n\n\"Poloncarz, a Democrat, called the blizzard \"the worst storm probably in our lifetime,\" even for an area known for heavy snow. More bodies are expected to be found as the snow is cleared or melts.\" \nWtf does their political affiliation have to do with anything? \n\"Jeff here, who loves cheese, was devastated when his wife was unable to be rescued from her car\".",
">\n\nPeople need to know if they should agree or disagree with the statement about the storm.",
">\n\nWhat?!? He’s a democrat? \nThat’s all I needed to hear to know that this definitely was NOT the worst storm in the city’s history, typical democrat fear mongering.\nTheres no more bodies to find, but I’m sure the democrats will claim they found more bodies just to justify more government spending. They’ll be counting people that died 3 weeks ago as storm deaths. They count bodies the same way they count votes for Biden. LGB!!\n/s",
">\n\nRemenber: whatever out there isn't worth your life",
">\n\nWell said, just chill at your home safely till the storm reduces",
">\n\nMany houses do not have power and people are trying to get to the safety of a community shelter.",
">\n\nThis is true as well",
">\n\nI’m in buffalo we had no power for 74 hours and needed gas to run a generator to stay warm, to survive you have to make choices. There wasn’t even 911 services for the entire city for days.",
">\n\nIt's insane to me they announced no emergency services. It was like 48 hours. All the bodegas near me on the west side got robbed, pretty crazy.",
">\n\nIt is insane, and public services have to warn people and risk the looting. The government is a construct that's a failure when its needed lately. It's not going to get any better either...",
">\n\nThis is not the time to play on the roads, so stay off them",
">\n\nKind of hard to do that if you live in your car.",
">\n\nmy hometown 💔 my sister is still snowed in and had to walk to wegmans to try and get supplies. i really wish i could help",
">\n\nDoesn't help homeless people who have no choice.",
">\n\nMeanwhile, Starbucks etc. demanding to know why employees aren't clocked in",
">\n\nI happened to have my plans messed up from the weather, so I was chillin solo on Xmas. I couldn’t believe my local Starbucks was open. Give em a day, Jeaz! No one is missing Starbucks that day.",
">\n\nRight?\nI mean, it's one thing to be open on a holiday in a busy travel area, especially if you have staff who celebrate other holidays -- but floods, shootings, blizzards, holidays (where it's not necessary or at not busy stores). Pretty sure there is something in the \"How to Be Corporate\" manual that demands stores be open in the most ridiculous situations without exception; in fact, that more ridiculous the more critical it is for the store to be fully staffed :/",
">\n\nFor the people looking in from outside the area, the people of WNY take pride in being able to survive storms with minimal disruption. And remember that we just got thru a monumental storm just before thanksgiving. But unless you are at least 55 yrs old you can’t really remember conditions like those of last week. It was on a whole different level and all the local weatherman warnings about it’s impending severity couldn’t convince a large number of the population. The fact that they hype up a normal lake effect snow storm every 10 days may have played a small part in people disregarding the warnings but that’s a whole other conversation.",
">\n\nThe size of the Low and the massive pressure gradient between it and the cold high behind it was absolutely nuts.",
">\n\n\"but you're still coming in for your shift, right?\" - management",
">\n\nThese managers and store owners should be prosecuted and go to jail.",
">\n\nI'm looking forward to the several lawsuits from employees over their bosses making them show up to work.",
">\n\nThe people at those jobs don't have the means to sue. And if they do the company will stretch it out requiring court appearances but the employee doesn't have that many sick and vacation days so they either show up and lose their job or give up. People can't go that long without work to fight back against the evil bastards. The only chance is a large class action or if the business gets enough bad publicity that they settle.",
">\n\nSo did folks stock up on supplies before this thing hit? If you can't drive you can't get to the grocery store or pharmacy.",
">\n\nThis is why they say you should have 2 weeks worth of non-perishable food at home at all times. Even if it's just soup or pasta. Because there will come a time when you're stuck for several days and everything is shut down. I know it sucks because so many are living paycheck to paycheck, but it's important to have that little stash of food (and medicine).",
">\n\nExactly. Everyone should have an emergency kit.",
">\n\nYou know how bad it is after you learn Buffalo is a place that is no stranger to snow, cold snaps and blizzards.",
">\n\nMy mum couldn’t understand why there have been so many deaths and as someone who’s only been following the situation from a distance I couldn’t really give her a confident answer. Are people dying from being caught in the blizzard outside? Are they trapped inside with no heating or supplies and succumbing to the cold? Is it primarily elderly people? Was this storm foreseen and were people warned to be prepared?",
">\n\nThe snow was so bad, people got stuck on the road. For over 24 hours there were NO emergency services available because ALL their vehicles were stuck. People froze to death or died from carbon monoxide b/c they ran their motors for heat.\nWe has sustained 75mph winds on Friday that immediately knock power out, and heat for those without gas. Water pipes broke. Fires. People became disoriented walking & just fell over & died. The snow was heavy, so shoveling caused heart attacks.\nNo one could prepare us for this. I have lived in the Buffalo area for 54 years. I have seen storms, but not like this.",
">\n\nWe have gas heat but it’s forced air so no power= no heat. (Luckily we only had power flicker a few times- houses down the street lost power). \nI said elsewhere- I’ve never been in a situation where we were told “no emergency services- you’re on your own”. Maybe it happened in ‘77 but I was 5 then and I honestly don’t remember the storm.",
">\n\nI was 9 in '77 so I don't remember a lot either. I was also in Chautauqua county then & like this storm, it wasn't as bad down there. \nI am in Southtowns now. I agree 100% that this is a storm like no other in my lifetime. First the 5+ feet of snow a couple weeks ago, now this.\nWe were lucky too. I am SO GLAD you survived!🙏 Too many sad stories that didn't need to happen, and on Christmas no less. Peace & Go Bills!",
">\n\nThis is exactly why I hate snow. I know it's fun to ski and make snowmen and have snow ball fights. It's when you have to clear the snow due to it hindering something or drive in it, deaths result.",
">\n\nNo hair, our skin hurts in low temps, Our noses dont work under low humidity. For all intents and purposes, humans aren't meant to live in the cold.",
">\n\nEmployers:”Walk your ass to work. I’ll see you when the snow dies down because I took vacation.”",
">\n\nSome of those dead must be chili's managers who blew a blood vessel screaming at min wage workers that this storm \" wasn't that bad\" and \" we are going to be crazy busy\"",
">\n\n\"Well yes, but can you still come in? We're short-staffed. Be a team player! It's only a bit of snow!\"",
">\n\nBiggest issue people don’t understand; when you “have to” go to a store or run an errand and you get into an accident, you call 911.\nThose first responders shouldn’t be dealing with you right now, they should be trying to rescue any trapped victims that might still be alive.\nStop being selfish, stay off the roads and if you actually need something, ask neighbors for help, pool your resources and become a better community while others are given a chance to survive.",
">\n\nEmergency services were turned off for 2 days during the storm. The city was completely inaccessible so if you get into an accident you're on your own. My street (a main street in the heart of the west side) had a snow drift as high a stoplight blocking all access. Down the way was an abandoned semitruck blocking the entire road as well as other abandoned cars sprinkled across the landscape. The whole city was like this.",
">\n\nStill there will be a lot of people who think the ban doesn't apply to them because they have to go see grandma.",
">\n\nOr they're homeless and don't have anywhere else to go",
">\n\nHopefully people stay off the roads, bc this is no time to play",
">\n\nI still don't know anyone personally who has been ticketed for driving during the ban. I think they should automatically ticket every car that was abandoned on a bus route and let the owner explain why they were driving during the ban to determine if they have to pay the fine. People will not obey laws if there's no enforcement.\nPayloaders came down my street last night (Tuesday), so I was able to drive to ECMC to pick up my wife, but on my way there, a friend of mine texted me \"we're at the bar if you want to swing by\". Considering that the bartender had to drive in from Tonawanda, that bar should have been closed.",
">\n\nWonder how many people did it anyways in the name of “muh freedom” then ran to an already overworked emergency room when their stupidity backfired",
">\n\nEmergency Room? Nobody could get to the hospital and there were no ambulances",
">\n\nNewspapers had a combination of revenue. Income from subscribers and newsboxes proved their circulation which helped them sell ads. When people stopped paying for the paper they were also no longer eyeballs for the ads. And the fact that they paid to read in the first place contributes to the investment each party has in the advertiser, publication, readership relationship. \nBasic news reporting is worth every penny you pay, and even subscribing you should still look at every article critically for spin. Anyone who gives it to you free has an angle of their own.\nEdited to add: my parents subscribed to papers. I just read the headlines.",
">\n\nI worked at a small town paper with circulation about 30k (weekend) and we had about $12k daily revenue from classifieds ads that vaporized when craigslist came. Went from 10-14 pages of classifieds to half a page. Classifieds subsidized a lot of the paper.",
">\n\nYeah, competition for eyeballs went way way up in the digital age where investment costs are so so low compared to physical media overhead",
">\n\nIt's honestly really sad, that paper employed probably 100-150 ppl when i was there and now it does not exist on a local level.. there are some freelance reporters and photogs who submit stories but everything else is handled on a national level - there's a customer service call center, photo color correction is a central department for hundreds of papers, etc. They contract the press work to another larger paper and the delivery is handled by 1099 contractors. Local news barely exists anymore.",
">\n\nDriving ban? Where are the “my Freedumbs” people when you need them? This is unconstitutional! This is an overreach of government! Unbelievable! \n/s",
">\n\nAny good american would have taken out their AR15 and shot the blizzard..\n/s",
">\n\nI got DOWNVOTED for SARCASM!?! \nFuck you Reddit! lol :-)",
">\n\nTired of the \"muh freedumb\" constant complainers... I really feel bad for the common sense people of the area. Same people, \"why do weather forecasters always speak in sensationalism and hyperbole?\"",
">\n\nNo protests about government overreach?",
">\n\nIsn't it about to be warm again. Wondr8ng how much of this snow will melt with a few days above freezing and rain",
">\n\nThey’re already trying to warn people who live in known flooding areas.",
">\n\nThere are homes still without power, and people have died waiting for emergency personnel, but if you try to travel to a warm home or a hospital yourself, they'll sic the cops on you.",
">\n\nhow did they die? stuck in their cars?",
">\n\nYet another example of how shitty America's car-centric infrastructure is.",
">\n\nWow! Maybe national guard takes orders from homes and delivers them so that people don’t have to leave house out of desperation!! Wow!",
">\n\nNo driving... But is my snowmobile good to go? How about my Ranger on tracks? I feel like people that have proper modes of transportation for the region should get a pass.",
">\n\nplows were getting stuck",
">\n\nI guess we need to blame the governor and senators for this weather event. Or do we only do that in Texas",
">\n\nThey’re not blamed for the weather event but how they react to it.",
">\n\nSo how are officials in NY reacting to this? People still without power, cars and people stranded everywhere. Deathtoll still rising. I guess the governor only gets held accountable when he/she has an R next to their name.",
">\n\nYeah... New York didn't disconnect their power grid from the rest of the nation in order to avoid oversight only to have it collapse under stress that would otherwise be manageable.",
">\n\nSo what is the excuse in NY then?",
">\n\nActually extreme weather rather than temperatures barely below zero.",
">\n\nTexas power grid handles sustained summers with weeks over 100* \nCalifornias can barely survive 90* weeks\nMaybe grids are built for their usual climates",
">\n\nAs someone used to driving in snow, it's easy to criticize people that can't. \nWhich is not at all fair. Having to learn a new skill in an emergency situation is pretty rough.\nGood luck, hang in there!",
">\n\nNo one should be driving in 4 feet of snow. It is tragic that we lost so many lives. I’m watching this from Syracuse and I’m devastated."
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At least one was due to carbon monoxide poisoning. Due to the winds blowing drifts incredibly high (some outside my place were over 7ft), the furnace vents would get covered by snow, therefore no exhaust could escape, CO builds up and... yeah. It's sad and unfortunate.
Freezing to death, accidents where no emergency services could get through, etc etc. I could literally not leave my building for 4 days due to the storm, there's no way emergency services could get in.
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"31 deaths is crazy… stay safe out there!",
">\n\nI'm in Ohio and had to be the bad guy to my in-laws by saying we weren't coming to Christmas Eve, then they called the next day and said it took them an hour to drive 10 minutes home from the dinner we skipped and how dangerous it was. \nSome people gotta touch an oven to see if it's hot when you tell them ¯\\ಠಠ_/¯",
">\n\nAlso in Ohio. Called out of work the day of the storm even though it was only a 15 min drive away. Roads were still not cleared fully 2 days later.",
">\n\nI called out on Friday, I do not like my job enough to risk my life for it, especially during the holiday rush.",
">\n\nDon't get me wrong. My job is great and it pays well. But money is money and it'll cost a lot more for my loved ones to arrange my funeral than it would for me to miss a day of work.",
">\n\nI’m in BC where we got hit pretty bad last week, and my ethos was, “I get paid less in a day than my car insurance deductible costs”",
">\n\nHaha I’m gonna remember this",
">\n\nEmergency services were turned off for 2 days during the storm. The city was completely inaccessible so if you get into an accident you're on your own. My street (a main street in the heart of the west side) had a snow drift as high a stoplight blocking all access. Down the way was an abandoned semitruck blocking the entire road as well as other abandoned cars sprinkled across the landscape completely buried in snow. Trees fallen everywhere too. The whole city was like this.\nI knew it was going to be bad but this one was BAD",
">\n\nYou’ve been hit hard twice and it’s only December. Do you think about moving? Just curious. I live in Maine but come from Rochester NY and I don’t think I could deal with that level of disaster anymore.",
">\n\nGrew up in Rochester as well, moved to Southern Louisiana to get away from the snow. In the 90's I got cuaght several times on the stretch of 90 between Buffalo and Erie and wasn't sure I'd make it home. The snow through there is crazy, I would just follow a semi at a distance and if he went off the road I knew to stop.",
">\n\ndriving around with Semi-traction can be a bit dangerous sometimes.",
">\n\nIf they've got a full load they do better than cars and have more experienced drivers so I follow them too. But with an empty trailer they're screwed in high winds. I was thinking of passing one in Chicago snowstorm but the back drifted just a bit so I slowed down and kept back. Sure enough a few minutes later a gust caught him and the trailer swung across a couple lanes and almost jackknifed. Driver did a great job of getting it straightened back out so kudos to him! That was a long ass stressful drive back home though. I was exhausted.",
">\n\nThis is why people would rush to the store to buy up things like eggs, bread, milk, butter, TP, paper towels, etc... Sure people always panic when it's just a little snow but overall, these types of storms are why.",
">\n\nAlso why it's good to have some canned/dried goods. I keep about 4-5 days worth of soups, canned goods, rice, ramen, clean it out every once in a while if it doesn't get used. It's not costly either, that stuff is fairly cheap. \nBut man, this is pretty crazy. I think the most I've ever been trapped (no driving ban, just felt safe to leave) was 3 days in 2010 for \"Snowmaggedon\", these poor folks are almost going on a week.",
">\n\nYou keep 4-5 days worth?... I feel like I may be a hoarder if 4-5 days is considered a good amount.",
">\n\n4-5 days worth of food is nothing. I live in Louisiana and that’s the bare minimum in my opinion.",
">\n\nI'm pretty sure we have a month's worth of food all combined. Lots of dried beans and rice too. For me, it's to be prepared, and because of the poverty I've experienced, where all my food was from the food bank.",
">\n\nThat's very smart. Dried beans and rice are heaven when you have ZERO access. People don't understand that. it's not about what you want to eat in a disaster, its about eating high caloric/protein meals and staying adequately 'full', or, at the very least, having enough food to have some energy output.",
">\n\nAnother thing is maintaining a more positive mental state. When you don't meet the daily nutritive threshold it can mess with your head. Bad thought loops are the last thing you need in a natural disaster.",
">\n\nThis is 100 why I keep 'mental health food' in my pantry. A chocolate bar. Liquid IVs. Canned fruit. Stuff I know will boost me when I'm low. It helped so much during Ida.",
">\n\nEvery business that stayed open and didn't give their employees the option to stay home should be prosecuted. These people would t have been out in this if it wasn't for fear of losing their jobs. It's disgusting.",
">\n\nToo bad our elected officials don't represent their constituents' interests. Or rather they consider the businesses their constuents, rather than the voters.",
">\n\n\nOr rather they consider the businesses their constituents, rather than the voters.\n\nConservatives make no secret at all about this, and their voters are very straightforward about valuing business owners over regular people.",
">\n\nIt's not just conservatives, sadly. Both parties represent corporations over human beings.",
">\n\nTrue, but conservatives have turned the \"small business owner\" into an identity that they leverage against anybody who might need any sort of govt protections; the narrative is always that JimBob's Tire Emporium will go under if he has to pay over $8/hour or offer insurance. They all see themselves as JimBob. It's a really good trick.\nDems are for sure corrupt and support a lot of corporate agenda items but they campaign on individual wage and debt issues and do actually pass legislation. They're less psychopathic.",
">\n\nAnd yet conservative's talk about small business that way, but vote every damn time to make sure that larger companies get advantages - and those small businesses fail.",
">\n\nSo do Dems. Follow the money, both parties are propped up by the foulest industries and that isn't even considering dark money and super PACS.",
">\n\nI do, but I also look at the voting records. We need to get more people to run under \"Working Families\"that arent just \"better than the worse\" of the democrats.",
">\n\nLowes doesn't care. Still forcing employees to come in",
">\n\nI recently learned from a former Lowe’s employee that they have some sort of agreement with the government to be considered essential so that people and emergency services can get generators and equipment from them",
">\n\njesus, that's a lot of fucking snow \nlooking at that i'm having a mild ptsd from the four straight days of shoveling/blowing last week here in northern WI",
">\n\nHi fellow Northwoods resident!\nThe blow snow is the worst part. Stupid snow drifts. \nAlthough. My subdivision went from an open field to a street full of houses this summer. So the drifting is down considerably.",
">\n\nWyoming enters the chat Someone talking about snowdrifts? The jackalopes have it tough this year.",
">\n\nJesus I saw that Cheyenne dropped 32 degrees in temp in 10 minutes. That is seriously insane weather.",
">\n\nIt was awesome! \nDay after tomorrow quotes for a week! \nWe never lost power so it was a win. What's funny is that it was around 25 this morning. Still wearing short sleeve shirts after the last frost. It was crazy! Hope y'all are safe.",
">\n\nOne wonders if there is a list of missing people and if so, how long the list is",
">\n\nI saw a fucked up video of people coming across someone frozen on the ground.",
">\n\nThat's cold asf",
">\n\nYeah both what they were saying and acting and the fact the person froze to death.",
">\n\nI once slept outside in 5 to 10 degree weather, I hope all the homeless got somewhere warm.",
">\n\n\"Poloncarz, a Democrat, called the blizzard \"the worst storm probably in our lifetime,\" even for an area known for heavy snow. More bodies are expected to be found as the snow is cleared or melts.\" \nWtf does their political affiliation have to do with anything? \n\"Jeff here, who loves cheese, was devastated when his wife was unable to be rescued from her car\".",
">\n\nPeople need to know if they should agree or disagree with the statement about the storm.",
">\n\nWhat?!? He’s a democrat? \nThat’s all I needed to hear to know that this definitely was NOT the worst storm in the city’s history, typical democrat fear mongering.\nTheres no more bodies to find, but I’m sure the democrats will claim they found more bodies just to justify more government spending. They’ll be counting people that died 3 weeks ago as storm deaths. They count bodies the same way they count votes for Biden. LGB!!\n/s",
">\n\nRemenber: whatever out there isn't worth your life",
">\n\nWell said, just chill at your home safely till the storm reduces",
">\n\nMany houses do not have power and people are trying to get to the safety of a community shelter.",
">\n\nThis is true as well",
">\n\nI’m in buffalo we had no power for 74 hours and needed gas to run a generator to stay warm, to survive you have to make choices. There wasn’t even 911 services for the entire city for days.",
">\n\nIt's insane to me they announced no emergency services. It was like 48 hours. All the bodegas near me on the west side got robbed, pretty crazy.",
">\n\nIt is insane, and public services have to warn people and risk the looting. The government is a construct that's a failure when its needed lately. It's not going to get any better either...",
">\n\nThis is not the time to play on the roads, so stay off them",
">\n\nKind of hard to do that if you live in your car.",
">\n\nmy hometown 💔 my sister is still snowed in and had to walk to wegmans to try and get supplies. i really wish i could help",
">\n\nDoesn't help homeless people who have no choice.",
">\n\nMeanwhile, Starbucks etc. demanding to know why employees aren't clocked in",
">\n\nI happened to have my plans messed up from the weather, so I was chillin solo on Xmas. I couldn’t believe my local Starbucks was open. Give em a day, Jeaz! No one is missing Starbucks that day.",
">\n\nRight?\nI mean, it's one thing to be open on a holiday in a busy travel area, especially if you have staff who celebrate other holidays -- but floods, shootings, blizzards, holidays (where it's not necessary or at not busy stores). Pretty sure there is something in the \"How to Be Corporate\" manual that demands stores be open in the most ridiculous situations without exception; in fact, that more ridiculous the more critical it is for the store to be fully staffed :/",
">\n\nFor the people looking in from outside the area, the people of WNY take pride in being able to survive storms with minimal disruption. And remember that we just got thru a monumental storm just before thanksgiving. But unless you are at least 55 yrs old you can’t really remember conditions like those of last week. It was on a whole different level and all the local weatherman warnings about it’s impending severity couldn’t convince a large number of the population. The fact that they hype up a normal lake effect snow storm every 10 days may have played a small part in people disregarding the warnings but that’s a whole other conversation.",
">\n\nThe size of the Low and the massive pressure gradient between it and the cold high behind it was absolutely nuts.",
">\n\n\"but you're still coming in for your shift, right?\" - management",
">\n\nThese managers and store owners should be prosecuted and go to jail.",
">\n\nI'm looking forward to the several lawsuits from employees over their bosses making them show up to work.",
">\n\nThe people at those jobs don't have the means to sue. And if they do the company will stretch it out requiring court appearances but the employee doesn't have that many sick and vacation days so they either show up and lose their job or give up. People can't go that long without work to fight back against the evil bastards. The only chance is a large class action or if the business gets enough bad publicity that they settle.",
">\n\nSo did folks stock up on supplies before this thing hit? If you can't drive you can't get to the grocery store or pharmacy.",
">\n\nThis is why they say you should have 2 weeks worth of non-perishable food at home at all times. Even if it's just soup or pasta. Because there will come a time when you're stuck for several days and everything is shut down. I know it sucks because so many are living paycheck to paycheck, but it's important to have that little stash of food (and medicine).",
">\n\nExactly. Everyone should have an emergency kit.",
">\n\nYou know how bad it is after you learn Buffalo is a place that is no stranger to snow, cold snaps and blizzards.",
">\n\nMy mum couldn’t understand why there have been so many deaths and as someone who’s only been following the situation from a distance I couldn’t really give her a confident answer. Are people dying from being caught in the blizzard outside? Are they trapped inside with no heating or supplies and succumbing to the cold? Is it primarily elderly people? Was this storm foreseen and were people warned to be prepared?",
">\n\nThe snow was so bad, people got stuck on the road. For over 24 hours there were NO emergency services available because ALL their vehicles were stuck. People froze to death or died from carbon monoxide b/c they ran their motors for heat.\nWe has sustained 75mph winds on Friday that immediately knock power out, and heat for those without gas. Water pipes broke. Fires. People became disoriented walking & just fell over & died. The snow was heavy, so shoveling caused heart attacks.\nNo one could prepare us for this. I have lived in the Buffalo area for 54 years. I have seen storms, but not like this.",
">\n\nWe have gas heat but it’s forced air so no power= no heat. (Luckily we only had power flicker a few times- houses down the street lost power). \nI said elsewhere- I’ve never been in a situation where we were told “no emergency services- you’re on your own”. Maybe it happened in ‘77 but I was 5 then and I honestly don’t remember the storm.",
">\n\nI was 9 in '77 so I don't remember a lot either. I was also in Chautauqua county then & like this storm, it wasn't as bad down there. \nI am in Southtowns now. I agree 100% that this is a storm like no other in my lifetime. First the 5+ feet of snow a couple weeks ago, now this.\nWe were lucky too. I am SO GLAD you survived!🙏 Too many sad stories that didn't need to happen, and on Christmas no less. Peace & Go Bills!",
">\n\nThis is exactly why I hate snow. I know it's fun to ski and make snowmen and have snow ball fights. It's when you have to clear the snow due to it hindering something or drive in it, deaths result.",
">\n\nNo hair, our skin hurts in low temps, Our noses dont work under low humidity. For all intents and purposes, humans aren't meant to live in the cold.",
">\n\nEmployers:”Walk your ass to work. I’ll see you when the snow dies down because I took vacation.”",
">\n\nSome of those dead must be chili's managers who blew a blood vessel screaming at min wage workers that this storm \" wasn't that bad\" and \" we are going to be crazy busy\"",
">\n\n\"Well yes, but can you still come in? We're short-staffed. Be a team player! It's only a bit of snow!\"",
">\n\nBiggest issue people don’t understand; when you “have to” go to a store or run an errand and you get into an accident, you call 911.\nThose first responders shouldn’t be dealing with you right now, they should be trying to rescue any trapped victims that might still be alive.\nStop being selfish, stay off the roads and if you actually need something, ask neighbors for help, pool your resources and become a better community while others are given a chance to survive.",
">\n\nEmergency services were turned off for 2 days during the storm. The city was completely inaccessible so if you get into an accident you're on your own. My street (a main street in the heart of the west side) had a snow drift as high a stoplight blocking all access. Down the way was an abandoned semitruck blocking the entire road as well as other abandoned cars sprinkled across the landscape. The whole city was like this.",
">\n\nStill there will be a lot of people who think the ban doesn't apply to them because they have to go see grandma.",
">\n\nOr they're homeless and don't have anywhere else to go",
">\n\nHopefully people stay off the roads, bc this is no time to play",
">\n\nI still don't know anyone personally who has been ticketed for driving during the ban. I think they should automatically ticket every car that was abandoned on a bus route and let the owner explain why they were driving during the ban to determine if they have to pay the fine. People will not obey laws if there's no enforcement.\nPayloaders came down my street last night (Tuesday), so I was able to drive to ECMC to pick up my wife, but on my way there, a friend of mine texted me \"we're at the bar if you want to swing by\". Considering that the bartender had to drive in from Tonawanda, that bar should have been closed.",
">\n\nWonder how many people did it anyways in the name of “muh freedom” then ran to an already overworked emergency room when their stupidity backfired",
">\n\nEmergency Room? Nobody could get to the hospital and there were no ambulances",
">\n\nNewspapers had a combination of revenue. Income from subscribers and newsboxes proved their circulation which helped them sell ads. When people stopped paying for the paper they were also no longer eyeballs for the ads. And the fact that they paid to read in the first place contributes to the investment each party has in the advertiser, publication, readership relationship. \nBasic news reporting is worth every penny you pay, and even subscribing you should still look at every article critically for spin. Anyone who gives it to you free has an angle of their own.\nEdited to add: my parents subscribed to papers. I just read the headlines.",
">\n\nI worked at a small town paper with circulation about 30k (weekend) and we had about $12k daily revenue from classifieds ads that vaporized when craigslist came. Went from 10-14 pages of classifieds to half a page. Classifieds subsidized a lot of the paper.",
">\n\nYeah, competition for eyeballs went way way up in the digital age where investment costs are so so low compared to physical media overhead",
">\n\nIt's honestly really sad, that paper employed probably 100-150 ppl when i was there and now it does not exist on a local level.. there are some freelance reporters and photogs who submit stories but everything else is handled on a national level - there's a customer service call center, photo color correction is a central department for hundreds of papers, etc. They contract the press work to another larger paper and the delivery is handled by 1099 contractors. Local news barely exists anymore.",
">\n\nDriving ban? Where are the “my Freedumbs” people when you need them? This is unconstitutional! This is an overreach of government! Unbelievable! \n/s",
">\n\nAny good american would have taken out their AR15 and shot the blizzard..\n/s",
">\n\nI got DOWNVOTED for SARCASM!?! \nFuck you Reddit! lol :-)",
">\n\nTired of the \"muh freedumb\" constant complainers... I really feel bad for the common sense people of the area. Same people, \"why do weather forecasters always speak in sensationalism and hyperbole?\"",
">\n\nNo protests about government overreach?",
">\n\nIsn't it about to be warm again. Wondr8ng how much of this snow will melt with a few days above freezing and rain",
">\n\nThey’re already trying to warn people who live in known flooding areas.",
">\n\nThere are homes still without power, and people have died waiting for emergency personnel, but if you try to travel to a warm home or a hospital yourself, they'll sic the cops on you.",
">\n\nhow did they die? stuck in their cars?",
">\n\nYet another example of how shitty America's car-centric infrastructure is.",
">\n\nWow! Maybe national guard takes orders from homes and delivers them so that people don’t have to leave house out of desperation!! Wow!",
">\n\nNo driving... But is my snowmobile good to go? How about my Ranger on tracks? I feel like people that have proper modes of transportation for the region should get a pass.",
">\n\nplows were getting stuck",
">\n\nI guess we need to blame the governor and senators for this weather event. Or do we only do that in Texas",
">\n\nThey’re not blamed for the weather event but how they react to it.",
">\n\nSo how are officials in NY reacting to this? People still without power, cars and people stranded everywhere. Deathtoll still rising. I guess the governor only gets held accountable when he/she has an R next to their name.",
">\n\nYeah... New York didn't disconnect their power grid from the rest of the nation in order to avoid oversight only to have it collapse under stress that would otherwise be manageable.",
">\n\nSo what is the excuse in NY then?",
">\n\nActually extreme weather rather than temperatures barely below zero.",
">\n\nTexas power grid handles sustained summers with weeks over 100* \nCalifornias can barely survive 90* weeks\nMaybe grids are built for their usual climates",
">\n\nAs someone used to driving in snow, it's easy to criticize people that can't. \nWhich is not at all fair. Having to learn a new skill in an emergency situation is pretty rough.\nGood luck, hang in there!",
">\n\nNo one should be driving in 4 feet of snow. It is tragic that we lost so many lives. I’m watching this from Syracuse and I’m devastated.",
">\n\nReddit: snow related deaths are ONLY someone else’s fault."
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"31 deaths is crazy… stay safe out there!",
">\n\nI'm in Ohio and had to be the bad guy to my in-laws by saying we weren't coming to Christmas Eve, then they called the next day and said it took them an hour to drive 10 minutes home from the dinner we skipped and how dangerous it was. \nSome people gotta touch an oven to see if it's hot when you tell them ¯\\ಠಠ_/¯",
">\n\nAlso in Ohio. Called out of work the day of the storm even though it was only a 15 min drive away. Roads were still not cleared fully 2 days later.",
">\n\nI called out on Friday, I do not like my job enough to risk my life for it, especially during the holiday rush.",
">\n\nDon't get me wrong. My job is great and it pays well. But money is money and it'll cost a lot more for my loved ones to arrange my funeral than it would for me to miss a day of work.",
">\n\nI’m in BC where we got hit pretty bad last week, and my ethos was, “I get paid less in a day than my car insurance deductible costs”",
">\n\nHaha I’m gonna remember this",
">\n\nEmergency services were turned off for 2 days during the storm. The city was completely inaccessible so if you get into an accident you're on your own. My street (a main street in the heart of the west side) had a snow drift as high a stoplight blocking all access. Down the way was an abandoned semitruck blocking the entire road as well as other abandoned cars sprinkled across the landscape completely buried in snow. Trees fallen everywhere too. The whole city was like this.\nI knew it was going to be bad but this one was BAD",
">\n\nYou’ve been hit hard twice and it’s only December. Do you think about moving? Just curious. I live in Maine but come from Rochester NY and I don’t think I could deal with that level of disaster anymore.",
">\n\nGrew up in Rochester as well, moved to Southern Louisiana to get away from the snow. In the 90's I got cuaght several times on the stretch of 90 between Buffalo and Erie and wasn't sure I'd make it home. The snow through there is crazy, I would just follow a semi at a distance and if he went off the road I knew to stop.",
">\n\ndriving around with Semi-traction can be a bit dangerous sometimes.",
">\n\nIf they've got a full load they do better than cars and have more experienced drivers so I follow them too. But with an empty trailer they're screwed in high winds. I was thinking of passing one in Chicago snowstorm but the back drifted just a bit so I slowed down and kept back. Sure enough a few minutes later a gust caught him and the trailer swung across a couple lanes and almost jackknifed. Driver did a great job of getting it straightened back out so kudos to him! That was a long ass stressful drive back home though. I was exhausted.",
">\n\nThis is why people would rush to the store to buy up things like eggs, bread, milk, butter, TP, paper towels, etc... Sure people always panic when it's just a little snow but overall, these types of storms are why.",
">\n\nAlso why it's good to have some canned/dried goods. I keep about 4-5 days worth of soups, canned goods, rice, ramen, clean it out every once in a while if it doesn't get used. It's not costly either, that stuff is fairly cheap. \nBut man, this is pretty crazy. I think the most I've ever been trapped (no driving ban, just felt safe to leave) was 3 days in 2010 for \"Snowmaggedon\", these poor folks are almost going on a week.",
">\n\nYou keep 4-5 days worth?... I feel like I may be a hoarder if 4-5 days is considered a good amount.",
">\n\n4-5 days worth of food is nothing. I live in Louisiana and that’s the bare minimum in my opinion.",
">\n\nI'm pretty sure we have a month's worth of food all combined. Lots of dried beans and rice too. For me, it's to be prepared, and because of the poverty I've experienced, where all my food was from the food bank.",
">\n\nThat's very smart. Dried beans and rice are heaven when you have ZERO access. People don't understand that. it's not about what you want to eat in a disaster, its about eating high caloric/protein meals and staying adequately 'full', or, at the very least, having enough food to have some energy output.",
">\n\nAnother thing is maintaining a more positive mental state. When you don't meet the daily nutritive threshold it can mess with your head. Bad thought loops are the last thing you need in a natural disaster.",
">\n\nThis is 100 why I keep 'mental health food' in my pantry. A chocolate bar. Liquid IVs. Canned fruit. Stuff I know will boost me when I'm low. It helped so much during Ida.",
">\n\nEvery business that stayed open and didn't give their employees the option to stay home should be prosecuted. These people would t have been out in this if it wasn't for fear of losing their jobs. It's disgusting.",
">\n\nToo bad our elected officials don't represent their constituents' interests. Or rather they consider the businesses their constuents, rather than the voters.",
">\n\n\nOr rather they consider the businesses their constituents, rather than the voters.\n\nConservatives make no secret at all about this, and their voters are very straightforward about valuing business owners over regular people.",
">\n\nIt's not just conservatives, sadly. Both parties represent corporations over human beings.",
">\n\nTrue, but conservatives have turned the \"small business owner\" into an identity that they leverage against anybody who might need any sort of govt protections; the narrative is always that JimBob's Tire Emporium will go under if he has to pay over $8/hour or offer insurance. They all see themselves as JimBob. It's a really good trick.\nDems are for sure corrupt and support a lot of corporate agenda items but they campaign on individual wage and debt issues and do actually pass legislation. They're less psychopathic.",
">\n\nAnd yet conservative's talk about small business that way, but vote every damn time to make sure that larger companies get advantages - and those small businesses fail.",
">\n\nSo do Dems. Follow the money, both parties are propped up by the foulest industries and that isn't even considering dark money and super PACS.",
">\n\nI do, but I also look at the voting records. We need to get more people to run under \"Working Families\"that arent just \"better than the worse\" of the democrats.",
">\n\nLowes doesn't care. Still forcing employees to come in",
">\n\nI recently learned from a former Lowe’s employee that they have some sort of agreement with the government to be considered essential so that people and emergency services can get generators and equipment from them",
">\n\njesus, that's a lot of fucking snow \nlooking at that i'm having a mild ptsd from the four straight days of shoveling/blowing last week here in northern WI",
">\n\nHi fellow Northwoods resident!\nThe blow snow is the worst part. Stupid snow drifts. \nAlthough. My subdivision went from an open field to a street full of houses this summer. So the drifting is down considerably.",
">\n\nWyoming enters the chat Someone talking about snowdrifts? The jackalopes have it tough this year.",
">\n\nJesus I saw that Cheyenne dropped 32 degrees in temp in 10 minutes. That is seriously insane weather.",
">\n\nIt was awesome! \nDay after tomorrow quotes for a week! \nWe never lost power so it was a win. What's funny is that it was around 25 this morning. Still wearing short sleeve shirts after the last frost. It was crazy! Hope y'all are safe.",
">\n\nOne wonders if there is a list of missing people and if so, how long the list is",
">\n\nI saw a fucked up video of people coming across someone frozen on the ground.",
">\n\nThat's cold asf",
">\n\nYeah both what they were saying and acting and the fact the person froze to death.",
">\n\nI once slept outside in 5 to 10 degree weather, I hope all the homeless got somewhere warm.",
">\n\n\"Poloncarz, a Democrat, called the blizzard \"the worst storm probably in our lifetime,\" even for an area known for heavy snow. More bodies are expected to be found as the snow is cleared or melts.\" \nWtf does their political affiliation have to do with anything? \n\"Jeff here, who loves cheese, was devastated when his wife was unable to be rescued from her car\".",
">\n\nPeople need to know if they should agree or disagree with the statement about the storm.",
">\n\nWhat?!? He’s a democrat? \nThat’s all I needed to hear to know that this definitely was NOT the worst storm in the city’s history, typical democrat fear mongering.\nTheres no more bodies to find, but I’m sure the democrats will claim they found more bodies just to justify more government spending. They’ll be counting people that died 3 weeks ago as storm deaths. They count bodies the same way they count votes for Biden. LGB!!\n/s",
">\n\nRemenber: whatever out there isn't worth your life",
">\n\nWell said, just chill at your home safely till the storm reduces",
">\n\nMany houses do not have power and people are trying to get to the safety of a community shelter.",
">\n\nThis is true as well",
">\n\nI’m in buffalo we had no power for 74 hours and needed gas to run a generator to stay warm, to survive you have to make choices. There wasn’t even 911 services for the entire city for days.",
">\n\nIt's insane to me they announced no emergency services. It was like 48 hours. All the bodegas near me on the west side got robbed, pretty crazy.",
">\n\nIt is insane, and public services have to warn people and risk the looting. The government is a construct that's a failure when its needed lately. It's not going to get any better either...",
">\n\nThis is not the time to play on the roads, so stay off them",
">\n\nKind of hard to do that if you live in your car.",
">\n\nmy hometown 💔 my sister is still snowed in and had to walk to wegmans to try and get supplies. i really wish i could help",
">\n\nDoesn't help homeless people who have no choice.",
">\n\nMeanwhile, Starbucks etc. demanding to know why employees aren't clocked in",
">\n\nI happened to have my plans messed up from the weather, so I was chillin solo on Xmas. I couldn’t believe my local Starbucks was open. Give em a day, Jeaz! No one is missing Starbucks that day.",
">\n\nRight?\nI mean, it's one thing to be open on a holiday in a busy travel area, especially if you have staff who celebrate other holidays -- but floods, shootings, blizzards, holidays (where it's not necessary or at not busy stores). Pretty sure there is something in the \"How to Be Corporate\" manual that demands stores be open in the most ridiculous situations without exception; in fact, that more ridiculous the more critical it is for the store to be fully staffed :/",
">\n\nFor the people looking in from outside the area, the people of WNY take pride in being able to survive storms with minimal disruption. And remember that we just got thru a monumental storm just before thanksgiving. But unless you are at least 55 yrs old you can’t really remember conditions like those of last week. It was on a whole different level and all the local weatherman warnings about it’s impending severity couldn’t convince a large number of the population. The fact that they hype up a normal lake effect snow storm every 10 days may have played a small part in people disregarding the warnings but that’s a whole other conversation.",
">\n\nThe size of the Low and the massive pressure gradient between it and the cold high behind it was absolutely nuts.",
">\n\n\"but you're still coming in for your shift, right?\" - management",
">\n\nThese managers and store owners should be prosecuted and go to jail.",
">\n\nI'm looking forward to the several lawsuits from employees over their bosses making them show up to work.",
">\n\nThe people at those jobs don't have the means to sue. And if they do the company will stretch it out requiring court appearances but the employee doesn't have that many sick and vacation days so they either show up and lose their job or give up. People can't go that long without work to fight back against the evil bastards. The only chance is a large class action or if the business gets enough bad publicity that they settle.",
">\n\nSo did folks stock up on supplies before this thing hit? If you can't drive you can't get to the grocery store or pharmacy.",
">\n\nThis is why they say you should have 2 weeks worth of non-perishable food at home at all times. Even if it's just soup or pasta. Because there will come a time when you're stuck for several days and everything is shut down. I know it sucks because so many are living paycheck to paycheck, but it's important to have that little stash of food (and medicine).",
">\n\nExactly. Everyone should have an emergency kit.",
">\n\nYou know how bad it is after you learn Buffalo is a place that is no stranger to snow, cold snaps and blizzards.",
">\n\nMy mum couldn’t understand why there have been so many deaths and as someone who’s only been following the situation from a distance I couldn’t really give her a confident answer. Are people dying from being caught in the blizzard outside? Are they trapped inside with no heating or supplies and succumbing to the cold? Is it primarily elderly people? Was this storm foreseen and were people warned to be prepared?",
">\n\nThe snow was so bad, people got stuck on the road. For over 24 hours there were NO emergency services available because ALL their vehicles were stuck. People froze to death or died from carbon monoxide b/c they ran their motors for heat.\nWe has sustained 75mph winds on Friday that immediately knock power out, and heat for those without gas. Water pipes broke. Fires. People became disoriented walking & just fell over & died. The snow was heavy, so shoveling caused heart attacks.\nNo one could prepare us for this. I have lived in the Buffalo area for 54 years. I have seen storms, but not like this.",
">\n\nWe have gas heat but it’s forced air so no power= no heat. (Luckily we only had power flicker a few times- houses down the street lost power). \nI said elsewhere- I’ve never been in a situation where we were told “no emergency services- you’re on your own”. Maybe it happened in ‘77 but I was 5 then and I honestly don’t remember the storm.",
">\n\nI was 9 in '77 so I don't remember a lot either. I was also in Chautauqua county then & like this storm, it wasn't as bad down there. \nI am in Southtowns now. I agree 100% that this is a storm like no other in my lifetime. First the 5+ feet of snow a couple weeks ago, now this.\nWe were lucky too. I am SO GLAD you survived!🙏 Too many sad stories that didn't need to happen, and on Christmas no less. Peace & Go Bills!",
">\n\nThis is exactly why I hate snow. I know it's fun to ski and make snowmen and have snow ball fights. It's when you have to clear the snow due to it hindering something or drive in it, deaths result.",
">\n\nNo hair, our skin hurts in low temps, Our noses dont work under low humidity. For all intents and purposes, humans aren't meant to live in the cold.",
">\n\nEmployers:”Walk your ass to work. I’ll see you when the snow dies down because I took vacation.”",
">\n\nSome of those dead must be chili's managers who blew a blood vessel screaming at min wage workers that this storm \" wasn't that bad\" and \" we are going to be crazy busy\"",
">\n\n\"Well yes, but can you still come in? We're short-staffed. Be a team player! It's only a bit of snow!\"",
">\n\nBiggest issue people don’t understand; when you “have to” go to a store or run an errand and you get into an accident, you call 911.\nThose first responders shouldn’t be dealing with you right now, they should be trying to rescue any trapped victims that might still be alive.\nStop being selfish, stay off the roads and if you actually need something, ask neighbors for help, pool your resources and become a better community while others are given a chance to survive.",
">\n\nEmergency services were turned off for 2 days during the storm. The city was completely inaccessible so if you get into an accident you're on your own. My street (a main street in the heart of the west side) had a snow drift as high a stoplight blocking all access. Down the way was an abandoned semitruck blocking the entire road as well as other abandoned cars sprinkled across the landscape. The whole city was like this.",
">\n\nStill there will be a lot of people who think the ban doesn't apply to them because they have to go see grandma.",
">\n\nOr they're homeless and don't have anywhere else to go",
">\n\nHopefully people stay off the roads, bc this is no time to play",
">\n\nI still don't know anyone personally who has been ticketed for driving during the ban. I think they should automatically ticket every car that was abandoned on a bus route and let the owner explain why they were driving during the ban to determine if they have to pay the fine. People will not obey laws if there's no enforcement.\nPayloaders came down my street last night (Tuesday), so I was able to drive to ECMC to pick up my wife, but on my way there, a friend of mine texted me \"we're at the bar if you want to swing by\". Considering that the bartender had to drive in from Tonawanda, that bar should have been closed.",
">\n\nWonder how many people did it anyways in the name of “muh freedom” then ran to an already overworked emergency room when their stupidity backfired",
">\n\nEmergency Room? Nobody could get to the hospital and there were no ambulances",
">\n\nNewspapers had a combination of revenue. Income from subscribers and newsboxes proved their circulation which helped them sell ads. When people stopped paying for the paper they were also no longer eyeballs for the ads. And the fact that they paid to read in the first place contributes to the investment each party has in the advertiser, publication, readership relationship. \nBasic news reporting is worth every penny you pay, and even subscribing you should still look at every article critically for spin. Anyone who gives it to you free has an angle of their own.\nEdited to add: my parents subscribed to papers. I just read the headlines.",
">\n\nI worked at a small town paper with circulation about 30k (weekend) and we had about $12k daily revenue from classifieds ads that vaporized when craigslist came. Went from 10-14 pages of classifieds to half a page. Classifieds subsidized a lot of the paper.",
">\n\nYeah, competition for eyeballs went way way up in the digital age where investment costs are so so low compared to physical media overhead",
">\n\nIt's honestly really sad, that paper employed probably 100-150 ppl when i was there and now it does not exist on a local level.. there are some freelance reporters and photogs who submit stories but everything else is handled on a national level - there's a customer service call center, photo color correction is a central department for hundreds of papers, etc. They contract the press work to another larger paper and the delivery is handled by 1099 contractors. Local news barely exists anymore.",
">\n\nDriving ban? Where are the “my Freedumbs” people when you need them? This is unconstitutional! This is an overreach of government! Unbelievable! \n/s",
">\n\nAny good american would have taken out their AR15 and shot the blizzard..\n/s",
">\n\nI got DOWNVOTED for SARCASM!?! \nFuck you Reddit! lol :-)",
">\n\nTired of the \"muh freedumb\" constant complainers... I really feel bad for the common sense people of the area. Same people, \"why do weather forecasters always speak in sensationalism and hyperbole?\"",
">\n\nNo protests about government overreach?",
">\n\nIsn't it about to be warm again. Wondr8ng how much of this snow will melt with a few days above freezing and rain",
">\n\nThey’re already trying to warn people who live in known flooding areas.",
">\n\nThere are homes still without power, and people have died waiting for emergency personnel, but if you try to travel to a warm home or a hospital yourself, they'll sic the cops on you.",
">\n\nhow did they die? stuck in their cars?",
">\n\nYet another example of how shitty America's car-centric infrastructure is.",
">\n\nWow! Maybe national guard takes orders from homes and delivers them so that people don’t have to leave house out of desperation!! Wow!",
">\n\nNo driving... But is my snowmobile good to go? How about my Ranger on tracks? I feel like people that have proper modes of transportation for the region should get a pass.",
">\n\nplows were getting stuck",
">\n\nI guess we need to blame the governor and senators for this weather event. Or do we only do that in Texas",
">\n\nThey’re not blamed for the weather event but how they react to it.",
">\n\nSo how are officials in NY reacting to this? People still without power, cars and people stranded everywhere. Deathtoll still rising. I guess the governor only gets held accountable when he/she has an R next to their name.",
">\n\nYeah... New York didn't disconnect their power grid from the rest of the nation in order to avoid oversight only to have it collapse under stress that would otherwise be manageable.",
">\n\nSo what is the excuse in NY then?",
">\n\nActually extreme weather rather than temperatures barely below zero.",
">\n\nTexas power grid handles sustained summers with weeks over 100* \nCalifornias can barely survive 90* weeks\nMaybe grids are built for their usual climates",
">\n\nAs someone used to driving in snow, it's easy to criticize people that can't. \nWhich is not at all fair. Having to learn a new skill in an emergency situation is pretty rough.\nGood luck, hang in there!",
">\n\nNo one should be driving in 4 feet of snow. It is tragic that we lost so many lives. I’m watching this from Syracuse and I’m devastated.",
">\n\nReddit: snow related deaths are ONLY someone else’s fault.",
">\n\nAt least one was due to carbon monoxide poisoning. Due to the winds blowing drifts incredibly high (some outside my place were over 7ft), the furnace vents would get covered by snow, therefore no exhaust could escape, CO builds up and... yeah. It's sad and unfortunate.\nFreezing to death, accidents where no emergency services could get through, etc etc. I could literally not leave my building for 4 days due to the storm, there's no way emergency services could get in."
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"31 deaths is crazy… stay safe out there!",
">\n\nI'm in Ohio and had to be the bad guy to my in-laws by saying we weren't coming to Christmas Eve, then they called the next day and said it took them an hour to drive 10 minutes home from the dinner we skipped and how dangerous it was. \nSome people gotta touch an oven to see if it's hot when you tell them ¯\\ಠಠ_/¯",
">\n\nAlso in Ohio. Called out of work the day of the storm even though it was only a 15 min drive away. Roads were still not cleared fully 2 days later.",
">\n\nI called out on Friday, I do not like my job enough to risk my life for it, especially during the holiday rush.",
">\n\nDon't get me wrong. My job is great and it pays well. But money is money and it'll cost a lot more for my loved ones to arrange my funeral than it would for me to miss a day of work.",
">\n\nI’m in BC where we got hit pretty bad last week, and my ethos was, “I get paid less in a day than my car insurance deductible costs”",
">\n\nHaha I’m gonna remember this",
">\n\nEmergency services were turned off for 2 days during the storm. The city was completely inaccessible so if you get into an accident you're on your own. My street (a main street in the heart of the west side) had a snow drift as high a stoplight blocking all access. Down the way was an abandoned semitruck blocking the entire road as well as other abandoned cars sprinkled across the landscape completely buried in snow. Trees fallen everywhere too. The whole city was like this.\nI knew it was going to be bad but this one was BAD",
">\n\nYou’ve been hit hard twice and it’s only December. Do you think about moving? Just curious. I live in Maine but come from Rochester NY and I don’t think I could deal with that level of disaster anymore.",
">\n\nGrew up in Rochester as well, moved to Southern Louisiana to get away from the snow. In the 90's I got cuaght several times on the stretch of 90 between Buffalo and Erie and wasn't sure I'd make it home. The snow through there is crazy, I would just follow a semi at a distance and if he went off the road I knew to stop.",
">\n\ndriving around with Semi-traction can be a bit dangerous sometimes.",
">\n\nIf they've got a full load they do better than cars and have more experienced drivers so I follow them too. But with an empty trailer they're screwed in high winds. I was thinking of passing one in Chicago snowstorm but the back drifted just a bit so I slowed down and kept back. Sure enough a few minutes later a gust caught him and the trailer swung across a couple lanes and almost jackknifed. Driver did a great job of getting it straightened back out so kudos to him! That was a long ass stressful drive back home though. I was exhausted.",
">\n\nThis is why people would rush to the store to buy up things like eggs, bread, milk, butter, TP, paper towels, etc... Sure people always panic when it's just a little snow but overall, these types of storms are why.",
">\n\nAlso why it's good to have some canned/dried goods. I keep about 4-5 days worth of soups, canned goods, rice, ramen, clean it out every once in a while if it doesn't get used. It's not costly either, that stuff is fairly cheap. \nBut man, this is pretty crazy. I think the most I've ever been trapped (no driving ban, just felt safe to leave) was 3 days in 2010 for \"Snowmaggedon\", these poor folks are almost going on a week.",
">\n\nYou keep 4-5 days worth?... I feel like I may be a hoarder if 4-5 days is considered a good amount.",
">\n\n4-5 days worth of food is nothing. I live in Louisiana and that’s the bare minimum in my opinion.",
">\n\nI'm pretty sure we have a month's worth of food all combined. Lots of dried beans and rice too. For me, it's to be prepared, and because of the poverty I've experienced, where all my food was from the food bank.",
">\n\nThat's very smart. Dried beans and rice are heaven when you have ZERO access. People don't understand that. it's not about what you want to eat in a disaster, its about eating high caloric/protein meals and staying adequately 'full', or, at the very least, having enough food to have some energy output.",
">\n\nAnother thing is maintaining a more positive mental state. When you don't meet the daily nutritive threshold it can mess with your head. Bad thought loops are the last thing you need in a natural disaster.",
">\n\nThis is 100 why I keep 'mental health food' in my pantry. A chocolate bar. Liquid IVs. Canned fruit. Stuff I know will boost me when I'm low. It helped so much during Ida.",
">\n\nEvery business that stayed open and didn't give their employees the option to stay home should be prosecuted. These people would t have been out in this if it wasn't for fear of losing their jobs. It's disgusting.",
">\n\nToo bad our elected officials don't represent their constituents' interests. Or rather they consider the businesses their constuents, rather than the voters.",
">\n\n\nOr rather they consider the businesses their constituents, rather than the voters.\n\nConservatives make no secret at all about this, and their voters are very straightforward about valuing business owners over regular people.",
">\n\nIt's not just conservatives, sadly. Both parties represent corporations over human beings.",
">\n\nTrue, but conservatives have turned the \"small business owner\" into an identity that they leverage against anybody who might need any sort of govt protections; the narrative is always that JimBob's Tire Emporium will go under if he has to pay over $8/hour or offer insurance. They all see themselves as JimBob. It's a really good trick.\nDems are for sure corrupt and support a lot of corporate agenda items but they campaign on individual wage and debt issues and do actually pass legislation. They're less psychopathic.",
">\n\nAnd yet conservative's talk about small business that way, but vote every damn time to make sure that larger companies get advantages - and those small businesses fail.",
">\n\nSo do Dems. Follow the money, both parties are propped up by the foulest industries and that isn't even considering dark money and super PACS.",
">\n\nI do, but I also look at the voting records. We need to get more people to run under \"Working Families\"that arent just \"better than the worse\" of the democrats.",
">\n\nLowes doesn't care. Still forcing employees to come in",
">\n\nI recently learned from a former Lowe’s employee that they have some sort of agreement with the government to be considered essential so that people and emergency services can get generators and equipment from them",
">\n\njesus, that's a lot of fucking snow \nlooking at that i'm having a mild ptsd from the four straight days of shoveling/blowing last week here in northern WI",
">\n\nHi fellow Northwoods resident!\nThe blow snow is the worst part. Stupid snow drifts. \nAlthough. My subdivision went from an open field to a street full of houses this summer. So the drifting is down considerably.",
">\n\nWyoming enters the chat Someone talking about snowdrifts? The jackalopes have it tough this year.",
">\n\nJesus I saw that Cheyenne dropped 32 degrees in temp in 10 minutes. That is seriously insane weather.",
">\n\nIt was awesome! \nDay after tomorrow quotes for a week! \nWe never lost power so it was a win. What's funny is that it was around 25 this morning. Still wearing short sleeve shirts after the last frost. It was crazy! Hope y'all are safe.",
">\n\nOne wonders if there is a list of missing people and if so, how long the list is",
">\n\nI saw a fucked up video of people coming across someone frozen on the ground.",
">\n\nThat's cold asf",
">\n\nYeah both what they were saying and acting and the fact the person froze to death.",
">\n\nI once slept outside in 5 to 10 degree weather, I hope all the homeless got somewhere warm.",
">\n\n\"Poloncarz, a Democrat, called the blizzard \"the worst storm probably in our lifetime,\" even for an area known for heavy snow. More bodies are expected to be found as the snow is cleared or melts.\" \nWtf does their political affiliation have to do with anything? \n\"Jeff here, who loves cheese, was devastated when his wife was unable to be rescued from her car\".",
">\n\nPeople need to know if they should agree or disagree with the statement about the storm.",
">\n\nWhat?!? He’s a democrat? \nThat’s all I needed to hear to know that this definitely was NOT the worst storm in the city’s history, typical democrat fear mongering.\nTheres no more bodies to find, but I’m sure the democrats will claim they found more bodies just to justify more government spending. They’ll be counting people that died 3 weeks ago as storm deaths. They count bodies the same way they count votes for Biden. LGB!!\n/s",
">\n\nRemenber: whatever out there isn't worth your life",
">\n\nWell said, just chill at your home safely till the storm reduces",
">\n\nMany houses do not have power and people are trying to get to the safety of a community shelter.",
">\n\nThis is true as well",
">\n\nI’m in buffalo we had no power for 74 hours and needed gas to run a generator to stay warm, to survive you have to make choices. There wasn’t even 911 services for the entire city for days.",
">\n\nIt's insane to me they announced no emergency services. It was like 48 hours. All the bodegas near me on the west side got robbed, pretty crazy.",
">\n\nIt is insane, and public services have to warn people and risk the looting. The government is a construct that's a failure when its needed lately. It's not going to get any better either...",
">\n\nThis is not the time to play on the roads, so stay off them",
">\n\nKind of hard to do that if you live in your car.",
">\n\nmy hometown 💔 my sister is still snowed in and had to walk to wegmans to try and get supplies. i really wish i could help",
">\n\nDoesn't help homeless people who have no choice.",
">\n\nMeanwhile, Starbucks etc. demanding to know why employees aren't clocked in",
">\n\nI happened to have my plans messed up from the weather, so I was chillin solo on Xmas. I couldn’t believe my local Starbucks was open. Give em a day, Jeaz! No one is missing Starbucks that day.",
">\n\nRight?\nI mean, it's one thing to be open on a holiday in a busy travel area, especially if you have staff who celebrate other holidays -- but floods, shootings, blizzards, holidays (where it's not necessary or at not busy stores). Pretty sure there is something in the \"How to Be Corporate\" manual that demands stores be open in the most ridiculous situations without exception; in fact, that more ridiculous the more critical it is for the store to be fully staffed :/",
">\n\nFor the people looking in from outside the area, the people of WNY take pride in being able to survive storms with minimal disruption. And remember that we just got thru a monumental storm just before thanksgiving. But unless you are at least 55 yrs old you can’t really remember conditions like those of last week. It was on a whole different level and all the local weatherman warnings about it’s impending severity couldn’t convince a large number of the population. The fact that they hype up a normal lake effect snow storm every 10 days may have played a small part in people disregarding the warnings but that’s a whole other conversation.",
">\n\nThe size of the Low and the massive pressure gradient between it and the cold high behind it was absolutely nuts.",
">\n\n\"but you're still coming in for your shift, right?\" - management",
">\n\nThese managers and store owners should be prosecuted and go to jail.",
">\n\nI'm looking forward to the several lawsuits from employees over their bosses making them show up to work.",
">\n\nThe people at those jobs don't have the means to sue. And if they do the company will stretch it out requiring court appearances but the employee doesn't have that many sick and vacation days so they either show up and lose their job or give up. People can't go that long without work to fight back against the evil bastards. The only chance is a large class action or if the business gets enough bad publicity that they settle.",
">\n\nSo did folks stock up on supplies before this thing hit? If you can't drive you can't get to the grocery store or pharmacy.",
">\n\nThis is why they say you should have 2 weeks worth of non-perishable food at home at all times. Even if it's just soup or pasta. Because there will come a time when you're stuck for several days and everything is shut down. I know it sucks because so many are living paycheck to paycheck, but it's important to have that little stash of food (and medicine).",
">\n\nExactly. Everyone should have an emergency kit.",
">\n\nYou know how bad it is after you learn Buffalo is a place that is no stranger to snow, cold snaps and blizzards.",
">\n\nMy mum couldn’t understand why there have been so many deaths and as someone who’s only been following the situation from a distance I couldn’t really give her a confident answer. Are people dying from being caught in the blizzard outside? Are they trapped inside with no heating or supplies and succumbing to the cold? Is it primarily elderly people? Was this storm foreseen and were people warned to be prepared?",
">\n\nThe snow was so bad, people got stuck on the road. For over 24 hours there were NO emergency services available because ALL their vehicles were stuck. People froze to death or died from carbon monoxide b/c they ran their motors for heat.\nWe has sustained 75mph winds on Friday that immediately knock power out, and heat for those without gas. Water pipes broke. Fires. People became disoriented walking & just fell over & died. The snow was heavy, so shoveling caused heart attacks.\nNo one could prepare us for this. I have lived in the Buffalo area for 54 years. I have seen storms, but not like this.",
">\n\nWe have gas heat but it’s forced air so no power= no heat. (Luckily we only had power flicker a few times- houses down the street lost power). \nI said elsewhere- I’ve never been in a situation where we were told “no emergency services- you’re on your own”. Maybe it happened in ‘77 but I was 5 then and I honestly don’t remember the storm.",
">\n\nI was 9 in '77 so I don't remember a lot either. I was also in Chautauqua county then & like this storm, it wasn't as bad down there. \nI am in Southtowns now. I agree 100% that this is a storm like no other in my lifetime. First the 5+ feet of snow a couple weeks ago, now this.\nWe were lucky too. I am SO GLAD you survived!🙏 Too many sad stories that didn't need to happen, and on Christmas no less. Peace & Go Bills!",
">\n\nThis is exactly why I hate snow. I know it's fun to ski and make snowmen and have snow ball fights. It's when you have to clear the snow due to it hindering something or drive in it, deaths result.",
">\n\nNo hair, our skin hurts in low temps, Our noses dont work under low humidity. For all intents and purposes, humans aren't meant to live in the cold.",
">\n\nEmployers:”Walk your ass to work. I’ll see you when the snow dies down because I took vacation.”",
">\n\nSome of those dead must be chili's managers who blew a blood vessel screaming at min wage workers that this storm \" wasn't that bad\" and \" we are going to be crazy busy\"",
">\n\n\"Well yes, but can you still come in? We're short-staffed. Be a team player! It's only a bit of snow!\"",
">\n\nBiggest issue people don’t understand; when you “have to” go to a store or run an errand and you get into an accident, you call 911.\nThose first responders shouldn’t be dealing with you right now, they should be trying to rescue any trapped victims that might still be alive.\nStop being selfish, stay off the roads and if you actually need something, ask neighbors for help, pool your resources and become a better community while others are given a chance to survive.",
">\n\nEmergency services were turned off for 2 days during the storm. The city was completely inaccessible so if you get into an accident you're on your own. My street (a main street in the heart of the west side) had a snow drift as high a stoplight blocking all access. Down the way was an abandoned semitruck blocking the entire road as well as other abandoned cars sprinkled across the landscape. The whole city was like this.",
">\n\nStill there will be a lot of people who think the ban doesn't apply to them because they have to go see grandma.",
">\n\nOr they're homeless and don't have anywhere else to go",
">\n\nHopefully people stay off the roads, bc this is no time to play",
">\n\nI still don't know anyone personally who has been ticketed for driving during the ban. I think they should automatically ticket every car that was abandoned on a bus route and let the owner explain why they were driving during the ban to determine if they have to pay the fine. People will not obey laws if there's no enforcement.\nPayloaders came down my street last night (Tuesday), so I was able to drive to ECMC to pick up my wife, but on my way there, a friend of mine texted me \"we're at the bar if you want to swing by\". Considering that the bartender had to drive in from Tonawanda, that bar should have been closed.",
">\n\nWonder how many people did it anyways in the name of “muh freedom” then ran to an already overworked emergency room when their stupidity backfired",
">\n\nEmergency Room? Nobody could get to the hospital and there were no ambulances",
">\n\nNewspapers had a combination of revenue. Income from subscribers and newsboxes proved their circulation which helped them sell ads. When people stopped paying for the paper they were also no longer eyeballs for the ads. And the fact that they paid to read in the first place contributes to the investment each party has in the advertiser, publication, readership relationship. \nBasic news reporting is worth every penny you pay, and even subscribing you should still look at every article critically for spin. Anyone who gives it to you free has an angle of their own.\nEdited to add: my parents subscribed to papers. I just read the headlines.",
">\n\nI worked at a small town paper with circulation about 30k (weekend) and we had about $12k daily revenue from classifieds ads that vaporized when craigslist came. Went from 10-14 pages of classifieds to half a page. Classifieds subsidized a lot of the paper.",
">\n\nYeah, competition for eyeballs went way way up in the digital age where investment costs are so so low compared to physical media overhead",
">\n\nIt's honestly really sad, that paper employed probably 100-150 ppl when i was there and now it does not exist on a local level.. there are some freelance reporters and photogs who submit stories but everything else is handled on a national level - there's a customer service call center, photo color correction is a central department for hundreds of papers, etc. They contract the press work to another larger paper and the delivery is handled by 1099 contractors. Local news barely exists anymore.",
">\n\nDriving ban? Where are the “my Freedumbs” people when you need them? This is unconstitutional! This is an overreach of government! Unbelievable! \n/s",
">\n\nAny good american would have taken out their AR15 and shot the blizzard..\n/s",
">\n\nI got DOWNVOTED for SARCASM!?! \nFuck you Reddit! lol :-)",
">\n\nTired of the \"muh freedumb\" constant complainers... I really feel bad for the common sense people of the area. Same people, \"why do weather forecasters always speak in sensationalism and hyperbole?\"",
">\n\nNo protests about government overreach?",
">\n\nIsn't it about to be warm again. Wondr8ng how much of this snow will melt with a few days above freezing and rain",
">\n\nThey’re already trying to warn people who live in known flooding areas.",
">\n\nThere are homes still without power, and people have died waiting for emergency personnel, but if you try to travel to a warm home or a hospital yourself, they'll sic the cops on you.",
">\n\nhow did they die? stuck in their cars?",
">\n\nYet another example of how shitty America's car-centric infrastructure is.",
">\n\nWow! Maybe national guard takes orders from homes and delivers them so that people don’t have to leave house out of desperation!! Wow!",
">\n\nNo driving... But is my snowmobile good to go? How about my Ranger on tracks? I feel like people that have proper modes of transportation for the region should get a pass.",
">\n\nplows were getting stuck",
">\n\nI guess we need to blame the governor and senators for this weather event. Or do we only do that in Texas",
">\n\nThey’re not blamed for the weather event but how they react to it.",
">\n\nSo how are officials in NY reacting to this? People still without power, cars and people stranded everywhere. Deathtoll still rising. I guess the governor only gets held accountable when he/she has an R next to their name.",
">\n\nYeah... New York didn't disconnect their power grid from the rest of the nation in order to avoid oversight only to have it collapse under stress that would otherwise be manageable.",
">\n\nSo what is the excuse in NY then?",
">\n\nActually extreme weather rather than temperatures barely below zero.",
">\n\nTexas power grid handles sustained summers with weeks over 100* \nCalifornias can barely survive 90* weeks\nMaybe grids are built for their usual climates",
">\n\nAs someone used to driving in snow, it's easy to criticize people that can't. \nWhich is not at all fair. Having to learn a new skill in an emergency situation is pretty rough.\nGood luck, hang in there!",
">\n\nNo one should be driving in 4 feet of snow. It is tragic that we lost so many lives. I’m watching this from Syracuse and I’m devastated.",
">\n\nReddit: snow related deaths are ONLY someone else’s fault.",
">\n\nAt least one was due to carbon monoxide poisoning. Due to the winds blowing drifts incredibly high (some outside my place were over 7ft), the furnace vents would get covered by snow, therefore no exhaust could escape, CO builds up and... yeah. It's sad and unfortunate.\nFreezing to death, accidents where no emergency services could get through, etc etc. I could literally not leave my building for 4 days due to the storm, there's no way emergency services could get in.",
">\n\n\nCO2 builds up\n\nCO is carbon monoxide. CO2 is carbon dioxide that nobody cares about."
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How they supposed to buss now?
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"31 deaths is crazy… stay safe out there!",
">\n\nI'm in Ohio and had to be the bad guy to my in-laws by saying we weren't coming to Christmas Eve, then they called the next day and said it took them an hour to drive 10 minutes home from the dinner we skipped and how dangerous it was. \nSome people gotta touch an oven to see if it's hot when you tell them ¯\\ಠಠ_/¯",
">\n\nAlso in Ohio. Called out of work the day of the storm even though it was only a 15 min drive away. Roads were still not cleared fully 2 days later.",
">\n\nI called out on Friday, I do not like my job enough to risk my life for it, especially during the holiday rush.",
">\n\nDon't get me wrong. My job is great and it pays well. But money is money and it'll cost a lot more for my loved ones to arrange my funeral than it would for me to miss a day of work.",
">\n\nI’m in BC where we got hit pretty bad last week, and my ethos was, “I get paid less in a day than my car insurance deductible costs”",
">\n\nHaha I’m gonna remember this",
">\n\nEmergency services were turned off for 2 days during the storm. The city was completely inaccessible so if you get into an accident you're on your own. My street (a main street in the heart of the west side) had a snow drift as high a stoplight blocking all access. Down the way was an abandoned semitruck blocking the entire road as well as other abandoned cars sprinkled across the landscape completely buried in snow. Trees fallen everywhere too. The whole city was like this.\nI knew it was going to be bad but this one was BAD",
">\n\nYou’ve been hit hard twice and it’s only December. Do you think about moving? Just curious. I live in Maine but come from Rochester NY and I don’t think I could deal with that level of disaster anymore.",
">\n\nGrew up in Rochester as well, moved to Southern Louisiana to get away from the snow. In the 90's I got cuaght several times on the stretch of 90 between Buffalo and Erie and wasn't sure I'd make it home. The snow through there is crazy, I would just follow a semi at a distance and if he went off the road I knew to stop.",
">\n\ndriving around with Semi-traction can be a bit dangerous sometimes.",
">\n\nIf they've got a full load they do better than cars and have more experienced drivers so I follow them too. But with an empty trailer they're screwed in high winds. I was thinking of passing one in Chicago snowstorm but the back drifted just a bit so I slowed down and kept back. Sure enough a few minutes later a gust caught him and the trailer swung across a couple lanes and almost jackknifed. Driver did a great job of getting it straightened back out so kudos to him! That was a long ass stressful drive back home though. I was exhausted.",
">\n\nThis is why people would rush to the store to buy up things like eggs, bread, milk, butter, TP, paper towels, etc... Sure people always panic when it's just a little snow but overall, these types of storms are why.",
">\n\nAlso why it's good to have some canned/dried goods. I keep about 4-5 days worth of soups, canned goods, rice, ramen, clean it out every once in a while if it doesn't get used. It's not costly either, that stuff is fairly cheap. \nBut man, this is pretty crazy. I think the most I've ever been trapped (no driving ban, just felt safe to leave) was 3 days in 2010 for \"Snowmaggedon\", these poor folks are almost going on a week.",
">\n\nYou keep 4-5 days worth?... I feel like I may be a hoarder if 4-5 days is considered a good amount.",
">\n\n4-5 days worth of food is nothing. I live in Louisiana and that’s the bare minimum in my opinion.",
">\n\nI'm pretty sure we have a month's worth of food all combined. Lots of dried beans and rice too. For me, it's to be prepared, and because of the poverty I've experienced, where all my food was from the food bank.",
">\n\nThat's very smart. Dried beans and rice are heaven when you have ZERO access. People don't understand that. it's not about what you want to eat in a disaster, its about eating high caloric/protein meals and staying adequately 'full', or, at the very least, having enough food to have some energy output.",
">\n\nAnother thing is maintaining a more positive mental state. When you don't meet the daily nutritive threshold it can mess with your head. Bad thought loops are the last thing you need in a natural disaster.",
">\n\nThis is 100 why I keep 'mental health food' in my pantry. A chocolate bar. Liquid IVs. Canned fruit. Stuff I know will boost me when I'm low. It helped so much during Ida.",
">\n\nEvery business that stayed open and didn't give their employees the option to stay home should be prosecuted. These people would t have been out in this if it wasn't for fear of losing their jobs. It's disgusting.",
">\n\nToo bad our elected officials don't represent their constituents' interests. Or rather they consider the businesses their constuents, rather than the voters.",
">\n\n\nOr rather they consider the businesses their constituents, rather than the voters.\n\nConservatives make no secret at all about this, and their voters are very straightforward about valuing business owners over regular people.",
">\n\nIt's not just conservatives, sadly. Both parties represent corporations over human beings.",
">\n\nTrue, but conservatives have turned the \"small business owner\" into an identity that they leverage against anybody who might need any sort of govt protections; the narrative is always that JimBob's Tire Emporium will go under if he has to pay over $8/hour or offer insurance. They all see themselves as JimBob. It's a really good trick.\nDems are for sure corrupt and support a lot of corporate agenda items but they campaign on individual wage and debt issues and do actually pass legislation. They're less psychopathic.",
">\n\nAnd yet conservative's talk about small business that way, but vote every damn time to make sure that larger companies get advantages - and those small businesses fail.",
">\n\nSo do Dems. Follow the money, both parties are propped up by the foulest industries and that isn't even considering dark money and super PACS.",
">\n\nI do, but I also look at the voting records. We need to get more people to run under \"Working Families\"that arent just \"better than the worse\" of the democrats.",
">\n\nLowes doesn't care. Still forcing employees to come in",
">\n\nI recently learned from a former Lowe’s employee that they have some sort of agreement with the government to be considered essential so that people and emergency services can get generators and equipment from them",
">\n\njesus, that's a lot of fucking snow \nlooking at that i'm having a mild ptsd from the four straight days of shoveling/blowing last week here in northern WI",
">\n\nHi fellow Northwoods resident!\nThe blow snow is the worst part. Stupid snow drifts. \nAlthough. My subdivision went from an open field to a street full of houses this summer. So the drifting is down considerably.",
">\n\nWyoming enters the chat Someone talking about snowdrifts? The jackalopes have it tough this year.",
">\n\nJesus I saw that Cheyenne dropped 32 degrees in temp in 10 minutes. That is seriously insane weather.",
">\n\nIt was awesome! \nDay after tomorrow quotes for a week! \nWe never lost power so it was a win. What's funny is that it was around 25 this morning. Still wearing short sleeve shirts after the last frost. It was crazy! Hope y'all are safe.",
">\n\nOne wonders if there is a list of missing people and if so, how long the list is",
">\n\nI saw a fucked up video of people coming across someone frozen on the ground.",
">\n\nThat's cold asf",
">\n\nYeah both what they were saying and acting and the fact the person froze to death.",
">\n\nI once slept outside in 5 to 10 degree weather, I hope all the homeless got somewhere warm.",
">\n\n\"Poloncarz, a Democrat, called the blizzard \"the worst storm probably in our lifetime,\" even for an area known for heavy snow. More bodies are expected to be found as the snow is cleared or melts.\" \nWtf does their political affiliation have to do with anything? \n\"Jeff here, who loves cheese, was devastated when his wife was unable to be rescued from her car\".",
">\n\nPeople need to know if they should agree or disagree with the statement about the storm.",
">\n\nWhat?!? He’s a democrat? \nThat’s all I needed to hear to know that this definitely was NOT the worst storm in the city’s history, typical democrat fear mongering.\nTheres no more bodies to find, but I’m sure the democrats will claim they found more bodies just to justify more government spending. They’ll be counting people that died 3 weeks ago as storm deaths. They count bodies the same way they count votes for Biden. LGB!!\n/s",
">\n\nRemenber: whatever out there isn't worth your life",
">\n\nWell said, just chill at your home safely till the storm reduces",
">\n\nMany houses do not have power and people are trying to get to the safety of a community shelter.",
">\n\nThis is true as well",
">\n\nI’m in buffalo we had no power for 74 hours and needed gas to run a generator to stay warm, to survive you have to make choices. There wasn’t even 911 services for the entire city for days.",
">\n\nIt's insane to me they announced no emergency services. It was like 48 hours. All the bodegas near me on the west side got robbed, pretty crazy.",
">\n\nIt is insane, and public services have to warn people and risk the looting. The government is a construct that's a failure when its needed lately. It's not going to get any better either...",
">\n\nThis is not the time to play on the roads, so stay off them",
">\n\nKind of hard to do that if you live in your car.",
">\n\nmy hometown 💔 my sister is still snowed in and had to walk to wegmans to try and get supplies. i really wish i could help",
">\n\nDoesn't help homeless people who have no choice.",
">\n\nMeanwhile, Starbucks etc. demanding to know why employees aren't clocked in",
">\n\nI happened to have my plans messed up from the weather, so I was chillin solo on Xmas. I couldn’t believe my local Starbucks was open. Give em a day, Jeaz! No one is missing Starbucks that day.",
">\n\nRight?\nI mean, it's one thing to be open on a holiday in a busy travel area, especially if you have staff who celebrate other holidays -- but floods, shootings, blizzards, holidays (where it's not necessary or at not busy stores). Pretty sure there is something in the \"How to Be Corporate\" manual that demands stores be open in the most ridiculous situations without exception; in fact, that more ridiculous the more critical it is for the store to be fully staffed :/",
">\n\nFor the people looking in from outside the area, the people of WNY take pride in being able to survive storms with minimal disruption. And remember that we just got thru a monumental storm just before thanksgiving. But unless you are at least 55 yrs old you can’t really remember conditions like those of last week. It was on a whole different level and all the local weatherman warnings about it’s impending severity couldn’t convince a large number of the population. The fact that they hype up a normal lake effect snow storm every 10 days may have played a small part in people disregarding the warnings but that’s a whole other conversation.",
">\n\nThe size of the Low and the massive pressure gradient between it and the cold high behind it was absolutely nuts.",
">\n\n\"but you're still coming in for your shift, right?\" - management",
">\n\nThese managers and store owners should be prosecuted and go to jail.",
">\n\nI'm looking forward to the several lawsuits from employees over their bosses making them show up to work.",
">\n\nThe people at those jobs don't have the means to sue. And if they do the company will stretch it out requiring court appearances but the employee doesn't have that many sick and vacation days so they either show up and lose their job or give up. People can't go that long without work to fight back against the evil bastards. The only chance is a large class action or if the business gets enough bad publicity that they settle.",
">\n\nSo did folks stock up on supplies before this thing hit? If you can't drive you can't get to the grocery store or pharmacy.",
">\n\nThis is why they say you should have 2 weeks worth of non-perishable food at home at all times. Even if it's just soup or pasta. Because there will come a time when you're stuck for several days and everything is shut down. I know it sucks because so many are living paycheck to paycheck, but it's important to have that little stash of food (and medicine).",
">\n\nExactly. Everyone should have an emergency kit.",
">\n\nYou know how bad it is after you learn Buffalo is a place that is no stranger to snow, cold snaps and blizzards.",
">\n\nMy mum couldn’t understand why there have been so many deaths and as someone who’s only been following the situation from a distance I couldn’t really give her a confident answer. Are people dying from being caught in the blizzard outside? Are they trapped inside with no heating or supplies and succumbing to the cold? Is it primarily elderly people? Was this storm foreseen and were people warned to be prepared?",
">\n\nThe snow was so bad, people got stuck on the road. For over 24 hours there were NO emergency services available because ALL their vehicles were stuck. People froze to death or died from carbon monoxide b/c they ran their motors for heat.\nWe has sustained 75mph winds on Friday that immediately knock power out, and heat for those without gas. Water pipes broke. Fires. People became disoriented walking & just fell over & died. The snow was heavy, so shoveling caused heart attacks.\nNo one could prepare us for this. I have lived in the Buffalo area for 54 years. I have seen storms, but not like this.",
">\n\nWe have gas heat but it’s forced air so no power= no heat. (Luckily we only had power flicker a few times- houses down the street lost power). \nI said elsewhere- I’ve never been in a situation where we were told “no emergency services- you’re on your own”. Maybe it happened in ‘77 but I was 5 then and I honestly don’t remember the storm.",
">\n\nI was 9 in '77 so I don't remember a lot either. I was also in Chautauqua county then & like this storm, it wasn't as bad down there. \nI am in Southtowns now. I agree 100% that this is a storm like no other in my lifetime. First the 5+ feet of snow a couple weeks ago, now this.\nWe were lucky too. I am SO GLAD you survived!🙏 Too many sad stories that didn't need to happen, and on Christmas no less. Peace & Go Bills!",
">\n\nThis is exactly why I hate snow. I know it's fun to ski and make snowmen and have snow ball fights. It's when you have to clear the snow due to it hindering something or drive in it, deaths result.",
">\n\nNo hair, our skin hurts in low temps, Our noses dont work under low humidity. For all intents and purposes, humans aren't meant to live in the cold.",
">\n\nEmployers:”Walk your ass to work. I’ll see you when the snow dies down because I took vacation.”",
">\n\nSome of those dead must be chili's managers who blew a blood vessel screaming at min wage workers that this storm \" wasn't that bad\" and \" we are going to be crazy busy\"",
">\n\n\"Well yes, but can you still come in? We're short-staffed. Be a team player! It's only a bit of snow!\"",
">\n\nBiggest issue people don’t understand; when you “have to” go to a store or run an errand and you get into an accident, you call 911.\nThose first responders shouldn’t be dealing with you right now, they should be trying to rescue any trapped victims that might still be alive.\nStop being selfish, stay off the roads and if you actually need something, ask neighbors for help, pool your resources and become a better community while others are given a chance to survive.",
">\n\nEmergency services were turned off for 2 days during the storm. The city was completely inaccessible so if you get into an accident you're on your own. My street (a main street in the heart of the west side) had a snow drift as high a stoplight blocking all access. Down the way was an abandoned semitruck blocking the entire road as well as other abandoned cars sprinkled across the landscape. The whole city was like this.",
">\n\nStill there will be a lot of people who think the ban doesn't apply to them because they have to go see grandma.",
">\n\nOr they're homeless and don't have anywhere else to go",
">\n\nHopefully people stay off the roads, bc this is no time to play",
">\n\nI still don't know anyone personally who has been ticketed for driving during the ban. I think they should automatically ticket every car that was abandoned on a bus route and let the owner explain why they were driving during the ban to determine if they have to pay the fine. People will not obey laws if there's no enforcement.\nPayloaders came down my street last night (Tuesday), so I was able to drive to ECMC to pick up my wife, but on my way there, a friend of mine texted me \"we're at the bar if you want to swing by\". Considering that the bartender had to drive in from Tonawanda, that bar should have been closed.",
">\n\nWonder how many people did it anyways in the name of “muh freedom” then ran to an already overworked emergency room when their stupidity backfired",
">\n\nEmergency Room? Nobody could get to the hospital and there were no ambulances",
">\n\nNewspapers had a combination of revenue. Income from subscribers and newsboxes proved their circulation which helped them sell ads. When people stopped paying for the paper they were also no longer eyeballs for the ads. And the fact that they paid to read in the first place contributes to the investment each party has in the advertiser, publication, readership relationship. \nBasic news reporting is worth every penny you pay, and even subscribing you should still look at every article critically for spin. Anyone who gives it to you free has an angle of their own.\nEdited to add: my parents subscribed to papers. I just read the headlines.",
">\n\nI worked at a small town paper with circulation about 30k (weekend) and we had about $12k daily revenue from classifieds ads that vaporized when craigslist came. Went from 10-14 pages of classifieds to half a page. Classifieds subsidized a lot of the paper.",
">\n\nYeah, competition for eyeballs went way way up in the digital age where investment costs are so so low compared to physical media overhead",
">\n\nIt's honestly really sad, that paper employed probably 100-150 ppl when i was there and now it does not exist on a local level.. there are some freelance reporters and photogs who submit stories but everything else is handled on a national level - there's a customer service call center, photo color correction is a central department for hundreds of papers, etc. They contract the press work to another larger paper and the delivery is handled by 1099 contractors. Local news barely exists anymore.",
">\n\nDriving ban? Where are the “my Freedumbs” people when you need them? This is unconstitutional! This is an overreach of government! Unbelievable! \n/s",
">\n\nAny good american would have taken out their AR15 and shot the blizzard..\n/s",
">\n\nI got DOWNVOTED for SARCASM!?! \nFuck you Reddit! lol :-)",
">\n\nTired of the \"muh freedumb\" constant complainers... I really feel bad for the common sense people of the area. Same people, \"why do weather forecasters always speak in sensationalism and hyperbole?\"",
">\n\nNo protests about government overreach?",
">\n\nIsn't it about to be warm again. Wondr8ng how much of this snow will melt with a few days above freezing and rain",
">\n\nThey’re already trying to warn people who live in known flooding areas.",
">\n\nThere are homes still without power, and people have died waiting for emergency personnel, but if you try to travel to a warm home or a hospital yourself, they'll sic the cops on you.",
">\n\nhow did they die? stuck in their cars?",
">\n\nYet another example of how shitty America's car-centric infrastructure is.",
">\n\nWow! Maybe national guard takes orders from homes and delivers them so that people don’t have to leave house out of desperation!! Wow!",
">\n\nNo driving... But is my snowmobile good to go? How about my Ranger on tracks? I feel like people that have proper modes of transportation for the region should get a pass.",
">\n\nplows were getting stuck",
">\n\nI guess we need to blame the governor and senators for this weather event. Or do we only do that in Texas",
">\n\nThey’re not blamed for the weather event but how they react to it.",
">\n\nSo how are officials in NY reacting to this? People still without power, cars and people stranded everywhere. Deathtoll still rising. I guess the governor only gets held accountable when he/she has an R next to their name.",
">\n\nYeah... New York didn't disconnect their power grid from the rest of the nation in order to avoid oversight only to have it collapse under stress that would otherwise be manageable.",
">\n\nSo what is the excuse in NY then?",
">\n\nActually extreme weather rather than temperatures barely below zero.",
">\n\nTexas power grid handles sustained summers with weeks over 100* \nCalifornias can barely survive 90* weeks\nMaybe grids are built for their usual climates",
">\n\nAs someone used to driving in snow, it's easy to criticize people that can't. \nWhich is not at all fair. Having to learn a new skill in an emergency situation is pretty rough.\nGood luck, hang in there!",
">\n\nNo one should be driving in 4 feet of snow. It is tragic that we lost so many lives. I’m watching this from Syracuse and I’m devastated.",
">\n\nReddit: snow related deaths are ONLY someone else’s fault.",
">\n\nAt least one was due to carbon monoxide poisoning. Due to the winds blowing drifts incredibly high (some outside my place were over 7ft), the furnace vents would get covered by snow, therefore no exhaust could escape, CO builds up and... yeah. It's sad and unfortunate.\nFreezing to death, accidents where no emergency services could get through, etc etc. I could literally not leave my building for 4 days due to the storm, there's no way emergency services could get in.",
">\n\n\nCO2 builds up\n\nCO is carbon monoxide. CO2 is carbon dioxide that nobody cares about.",
">\n\nWhoops, brain fart. Thanks!"
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Do you know what “starved” means?
Also sorry for loss. I heard the preper community was mourning the loss of the member they called “911”.
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"31 deaths is crazy… stay safe out there!",
">\n\nI'm in Ohio and had to be the bad guy to my in-laws by saying we weren't coming to Christmas Eve, then they called the next day and said it took them an hour to drive 10 minutes home from the dinner we skipped and how dangerous it was. \nSome people gotta touch an oven to see if it's hot when you tell them ¯\\ಠಠ_/¯",
">\n\nAlso in Ohio. Called out of work the day of the storm even though it was only a 15 min drive away. Roads were still not cleared fully 2 days later.",
">\n\nI called out on Friday, I do not like my job enough to risk my life for it, especially during the holiday rush.",
">\n\nDon't get me wrong. My job is great and it pays well. But money is money and it'll cost a lot more for my loved ones to arrange my funeral than it would for me to miss a day of work.",
">\n\nI’m in BC where we got hit pretty bad last week, and my ethos was, “I get paid less in a day than my car insurance deductible costs”",
">\n\nHaha I’m gonna remember this",
">\n\nEmergency services were turned off for 2 days during the storm. The city was completely inaccessible so if you get into an accident you're on your own. My street (a main street in the heart of the west side) had a snow drift as high a stoplight blocking all access. Down the way was an abandoned semitruck blocking the entire road as well as other abandoned cars sprinkled across the landscape completely buried in snow. Trees fallen everywhere too. The whole city was like this.\nI knew it was going to be bad but this one was BAD",
">\n\nYou’ve been hit hard twice and it’s only December. Do you think about moving? Just curious. I live in Maine but come from Rochester NY and I don’t think I could deal with that level of disaster anymore.",
">\n\nGrew up in Rochester as well, moved to Southern Louisiana to get away from the snow. In the 90's I got cuaght several times on the stretch of 90 between Buffalo and Erie and wasn't sure I'd make it home. The snow through there is crazy, I would just follow a semi at a distance and if he went off the road I knew to stop.",
">\n\ndriving around with Semi-traction can be a bit dangerous sometimes.",
">\n\nIf they've got a full load they do better than cars and have more experienced drivers so I follow them too. But with an empty trailer they're screwed in high winds. I was thinking of passing one in Chicago snowstorm but the back drifted just a bit so I slowed down and kept back. Sure enough a few minutes later a gust caught him and the trailer swung across a couple lanes and almost jackknifed. Driver did a great job of getting it straightened back out so kudos to him! That was a long ass stressful drive back home though. I was exhausted.",
">\n\nThis is why people would rush to the store to buy up things like eggs, bread, milk, butter, TP, paper towels, etc... Sure people always panic when it's just a little snow but overall, these types of storms are why.",
">\n\nAlso why it's good to have some canned/dried goods. I keep about 4-5 days worth of soups, canned goods, rice, ramen, clean it out every once in a while if it doesn't get used. It's not costly either, that stuff is fairly cheap. \nBut man, this is pretty crazy. I think the most I've ever been trapped (no driving ban, just felt safe to leave) was 3 days in 2010 for \"Snowmaggedon\", these poor folks are almost going on a week.",
">\n\nYou keep 4-5 days worth?... I feel like I may be a hoarder if 4-5 days is considered a good amount.",
">\n\n4-5 days worth of food is nothing. I live in Louisiana and that’s the bare minimum in my opinion.",
">\n\nI'm pretty sure we have a month's worth of food all combined. Lots of dried beans and rice too. For me, it's to be prepared, and because of the poverty I've experienced, where all my food was from the food bank.",
">\n\nThat's very smart. Dried beans and rice are heaven when you have ZERO access. People don't understand that. it's not about what you want to eat in a disaster, its about eating high caloric/protein meals and staying adequately 'full', or, at the very least, having enough food to have some energy output.",
">\n\nAnother thing is maintaining a more positive mental state. When you don't meet the daily nutritive threshold it can mess with your head. Bad thought loops are the last thing you need in a natural disaster.",
">\n\nThis is 100 why I keep 'mental health food' in my pantry. A chocolate bar. Liquid IVs. Canned fruit. Stuff I know will boost me when I'm low. It helped so much during Ida.",
">\n\nEvery business that stayed open and didn't give their employees the option to stay home should be prosecuted. These people would t have been out in this if it wasn't for fear of losing their jobs. It's disgusting.",
">\n\nToo bad our elected officials don't represent their constituents' interests. Or rather they consider the businesses their constuents, rather than the voters.",
">\n\n\nOr rather they consider the businesses their constituents, rather than the voters.\n\nConservatives make no secret at all about this, and their voters are very straightforward about valuing business owners over regular people.",
">\n\nIt's not just conservatives, sadly. Both parties represent corporations over human beings.",
">\n\nTrue, but conservatives have turned the \"small business owner\" into an identity that they leverage against anybody who might need any sort of govt protections; the narrative is always that JimBob's Tire Emporium will go under if he has to pay over $8/hour or offer insurance. They all see themselves as JimBob. It's a really good trick.\nDems are for sure corrupt and support a lot of corporate agenda items but they campaign on individual wage and debt issues and do actually pass legislation. They're less psychopathic.",
">\n\nAnd yet conservative's talk about small business that way, but vote every damn time to make sure that larger companies get advantages - and those small businesses fail.",
">\n\nSo do Dems. Follow the money, both parties are propped up by the foulest industries and that isn't even considering dark money and super PACS.",
">\n\nI do, but I also look at the voting records. We need to get more people to run under \"Working Families\"that arent just \"better than the worse\" of the democrats.",
">\n\nLowes doesn't care. Still forcing employees to come in",
">\n\nI recently learned from a former Lowe’s employee that they have some sort of agreement with the government to be considered essential so that people and emergency services can get generators and equipment from them",
">\n\njesus, that's a lot of fucking snow \nlooking at that i'm having a mild ptsd from the four straight days of shoveling/blowing last week here in northern WI",
">\n\nHi fellow Northwoods resident!\nThe blow snow is the worst part. Stupid snow drifts. \nAlthough. My subdivision went from an open field to a street full of houses this summer. So the drifting is down considerably.",
">\n\nWyoming enters the chat Someone talking about snowdrifts? The jackalopes have it tough this year.",
">\n\nJesus I saw that Cheyenne dropped 32 degrees in temp in 10 minutes. That is seriously insane weather.",
">\n\nIt was awesome! \nDay after tomorrow quotes for a week! \nWe never lost power so it was a win. What's funny is that it was around 25 this morning. Still wearing short sleeve shirts after the last frost. It was crazy! Hope y'all are safe.",
">\n\nOne wonders if there is a list of missing people and if so, how long the list is",
">\n\nI saw a fucked up video of people coming across someone frozen on the ground.",
">\n\nThat's cold asf",
">\n\nYeah both what they were saying and acting and the fact the person froze to death.",
">\n\nI once slept outside in 5 to 10 degree weather, I hope all the homeless got somewhere warm.",
">\n\n\"Poloncarz, a Democrat, called the blizzard \"the worst storm probably in our lifetime,\" even for an area known for heavy snow. More bodies are expected to be found as the snow is cleared or melts.\" \nWtf does their political affiliation have to do with anything? \n\"Jeff here, who loves cheese, was devastated when his wife was unable to be rescued from her car\".",
">\n\nPeople need to know if they should agree or disagree with the statement about the storm.",
">\n\nWhat?!? He’s a democrat? \nThat’s all I needed to hear to know that this definitely was NOT the worst storm in the city’s history, typical democrat fear mongering.\nTheres no more bodies to find, but I’m sure the democrats will claim they found more bodies just to justify more government spending. They’ll be counting people that died 3 weeks ago as storm deaths. They count bodies the same way they count votes for Biden. LGB!!\n/s",
">\n\nRemenber: whatever out there isn't worth your life",
">\n\nWell said, just chill at your home safely till the storm reduces",
">\n\nMany houses do not have power and people are trying to get to the safety of a community shelter.",
">\n\nThis is true as well",
">\n\nI’m in buffalo we had no power for 74 hours and needed gas to run a generator to stay warm, to survive you have to make choices. There wasn’t even 911 services for the entire city for days.",
">\n\nIt's insane to me they announced no emergency services. It was like 48 hours. All the bodegas near me on the west side got robbed, pretty crazy.",
">\n\nIt is insane, and public services have to warn people and risk the looting. The government is a construct that's a failure when its needed lately. It's not going to get any better either...",
">\n\nThis is not the time to play on the roads, so stay off them",
">\n\nKind of hard to do that if you live in your car.",
">\n\nmy hometown 💔 my sister is still snowed in and had to walk to wegmans to try and get supplies. i really wish i could help",
">\n\nDoesn't help homeless people who have no choice.",
">\n\nMeanwhile, Starbucks etc. demanding to know why employees aren't clocked in",
">\n\nI happened to have my plans messed up from the weather, so I was chillin solo on Xmas. I couldn’t believe my local Starbucks was open. Give em a day, Jeaz! No one is missing Starbucks that day.",
">\n\nRight?\nI mean, it's one thing to be open on a holiday in a busy travel area, especially if you have staff who celebrate other holidays -- but floods, shootings, blizzards, holidays (where it's not necessary or at not busy stores). Pretty sure there is something in the \"How to Be Corporate\" manual that demands stores be open in the most ridiculous situations without exception; in fact, that more ridiculous the more critical it is for the store to be fully staffed :/",
">\n\nFor the people looking in from outside the area, the people of WNY take pride in being able to survive storms with minimal disruption. And remember that we just got thru a monumental storm just before thanksgiving. But unless you are at least 55 yrs old you can’t really remember conditions like those of last week. It was on a whole different level and all the local weatherman warnings about it’s impending severity couldn’t convince a large number of the population. The fact that they hype up a normal lake effect snow storm every 10 days may have played a small part in people disregarding the warnings but that’s a whole other conversation.",
">\n\nThe size of the Low and the massive pressure gradient between it and the cold high behind it was absolutely nuts.",
">\n\n\"but you're still coming in for your shift, right?\" - management",
">\n\nThese managers and store owners should be prosecuted and go to jail.",
">\n\nI'm looking forward to the several lawsuits from employees over their bosses making them show up to work.",
">\n\nThe people at those jobs don't have the means to sue. And if they do the company will stretch it out requiring court appearances but the employee doesn't have that many sick and vacation days so they either show up and lose their job or give up. People can't go that long without work to fight back against the evil bastards. The only chance is a large class action or if the business gets enough bad publicity that they settle.",
">\n\nSo did folks stock up on supplies before this thing hit? If you can't drive you can't get to the grocery store or pharmacy.",
">\n\nThis is why they say you should have 2 weeks worth of non-perishable food at home at all times. Even if it's just soup or pasta. Because there will come a time when you're stuck for several days and everything is shut down. I know it sucks because so many are living paycheck to paycheck, but it's important to have that little stash of food (and medicine).",
">\n\nExactly. Everyone should have an emergency kit.",
">\n\nYou know how bad it is after you learn Buffalo is a place that is no stranger to snow, cold snaps and blizzards.",
">\n\nMy mum couldn’t understand why there have been so many deaths and as someone who’s only been following the situation from a distance I couldn’t really give her a confident answer. Are people dying from being caught in the blizzard outside? Are they trapped inside with no heating or supplies and succumbing to the cold? Is it primarily elderly people? Was this storm foreseen and were people warned to be prepared?",
">\n\nThe snow was so bad, people got stuck on the road. For over 24 hours there were NO emergency services available because ALL their vehicles were stuck. People froze to death or died from carbon monoxide b/c they ran their motors for heat.\nWe has sustained 75mph winds on Friday that immediately knock power out, and heat for those without gas. Water pipes broke. Fires. People became disoriented walking & just fell over & died. The snow was heavy, so shoveling caused heart attacks.\nNo one could prepare us for this. I have lived in the Buffalo area for 54 years. I have seen storms, but not like this.",
">\n\nWe have gas heat but it’s forced air so no power= no heat. (Luckily we only had power flicker a few times- houses down the street lost power). \nI said elsewhere- I’ve never been in a situation where we were told “no emergency services- you’re on your own”. Maybe it happened in ‘77 but I was 5 then and I honestly don’t remember the storm.",
">\n\nI was 9 in '77 so I don't remember a lot either. I was also in Chautauqua county then & like this storm, it wasn't as bad down there. \nI am in Southtowns now. I agree 100% that this is a storm like no other in my lifetime. First the 5+ feet of snow a couple weeks ago, now this.\nWe were lucky too. I am SO GLAD you survived!🙏 Too many sad stories that didn't need to happen, and on Christmas no less. Peace & Go Bills!",
">\n\nThis is exactly why I hate snow. I know it's fun to ski and make snowmen and have snow ball fights. It's when you have to clear the snow due to it hindering something or drive in it, deaths result.",
">\n\nNo hair, our skin hurts in low temps, Our noses dont work under low humidity. For all intents and purposes, humans aren't meant to live in the cold.",
">\n\nEmployers:”Walk your ass to work. I’ll see you when the snow dies down because I took vacation.”",
">\n\nSome of those dead must be chili's managers who blew a blood vessel screaming at min wage workers that this storm \" wasn't that bad\" and \" we are going to be crazy busy\"",
">\n\n\"Well yes, but can you still come in? We're short-staffed. Be a team player! It's only a bit of snow!\"",
">\n\nBiggest issue people don’t understand; when you “have to” go to a store or run an errand and you get into an accident, you call 911.\nThose first responders shouldn’t be dealing with you right now, they should be trying to rescue any trapped victims that might still be alive.\nStop being selfish, stay off the roads and if you actually need something, ask neighbors for help, pool your resources and become a better community while others are given a chance to survive.",
">\n\nEmergency services were turned off for 2 days during the storm. The city was completely inaccessible so if you get into an accident you're on your own. My street (a main street in the heart of the west side) had a snow drift as high a stoplight blocking all access. Down the way was an abandoned semitruck blocking the entire road as well as other abandoned cars sprinkled across the landscape. The whole city was like this.",
">\n\nStill there will be a lot of people who think the ban doesn't apply to them because they have to go see grandma.",
">\n\nOr they're homeless and don't have anywhere else to go",
">\n\nHopefully people stay off the roads, bc this is no time to play",
">\n\nI still don't know anyone personally who has been ticketed for driving during the ban. I think they should automatically ticket every car that was abandoned on a bus route and let the owner explain why they were driving during the ban to determine if they have to pay the fine. People will not obey laws if there's no enforcement.\nPayloaders came down my street last night (Tuesday), so I was able to drive to ECMC to pick up my wife, but on my way there, a friend of mine texted me \"we're at the bar if you want to swing by\". Considering that the bartender had to drive in from Tonawanda, that bar should have been closed.",
">\n\nWonder how many people did it anyways in the name of “muh freedom” then ran to an already overworked emergency room when their stupidity backfired",
">\n\nEmergency Room? Nobody could get to the hospital and there were no ambulances",
">\n\nNewspapers had a combination of revenue. Income from subscribers and newsboxes proved their circulation which helped them sell ads. When people stopped paying for the paper they were also no longer eyeballs for the ads. And the fact that they paid to read in the first place contributes to the investment each party has in the advertiser, publication, readership relationship. \nBasic news reporting is worth every penny you pay, and even subscribing you should still look at every article critically for spin. Anyone who gives it to you free has an angle of their own.\nEdited to add: my parents subscribed to papers. I just read the headlines.",
">\n\nI worked at a small town paper with circulation about 30k (weekend) and we had about $12k daily revenue from classifieds ads that vaporized when craigslist came. Went from 10-14 pages of classifieds to half a page. Classifieds subsidized a lot of the paper.",
">\n\nYeah, competition for eyeballs went way way up in the digital age where investment costs are so so low compared to physical media overhead",
">\n\nIt's honestly really sad, that paper employed probably 100-150 ppl when i was there and now it does not exist on a local level.. there are some freelance reporters and photogs who submit stories but everything else is handled on a national level - there's a customer service call center, photo color correction is a central department for hundreds of papers, etc. They contract the press work to another larger paper and the delivery is handled by 1099 contractors. Local news barely exists anymore.",
">\n\nDriving ban? Where are the “my Freedumbs” people when you need them? This is unconstitutional! This is an overreach of government! Unbelievable! \n/s",
">\n\nAny good american would have taken out their AR15 and shot the blizzard..\n/s",
">\n\nI got DOWNVOTED for SARCASM!?! \nFuck you Reddit! lol :-)",
">\n\nTired of the \"muh freedumb\" constant complainers... I really feel bad for the common sense people of the area. Same people, \"why do weather forecasters always speak in sensationalism and hyperbole?\"",
">\n\nNo protests about government overreach?",
">\n\nIsn't it about to be warm again. Wondr8ng how much of this snow will melt with a few days above freezing and rain",
">\n\nThey’re already trying to warn people who live in known flooding areas.",
">\n\nThere are homes still without power, and people have died waiting for emergency personnel, but if you try to travel to a warm home or a hospital yourself, they'll sic the cops on you.",
">\n\nhow did they die? stuck in their cars?",
">\n\nYet another example of how shitty America's car-centric infrastructure is.",
">\n\nWow! Maybe national guard takes orders from homes and delivers them so that people don’t have to leave house out of desperation!! Wow!",
">\n\nNo driving... But is my snowmobile good to go? How about my Ranger on tracks? I feel like people that have proper modes of transportation for the region should get a pass.",
">\n\nplows were getting stuck",
">\n\nI guess we need to blame the governor and senators for this weather event. Or do we only do that in Texas",
">\n\nThey’re not blamed for the weather event but how they react to it.",
">\n\nSo how are officials in NY reacting to this? People still without power, cars and people stranded everywhere. Deathtoll still rising. I guess the governor only gets held accountable when he/she has an R next to their name.",
">\n\nYeah... New York didn't disconnect their power grid from the rest of the nation in order to avoid oversight only to have it collapse under stress that would otherwise be manageable.",
">\n\nSo what is the excuse in NY then?",
">\n\nActually extreme weather rather than temperatures barely below zero.",
">\n\nTexas power grid handles sustained summers with weeks over 100* \nCalifornias can barely survive 90* weeks\nMaybe grids are built for their usual climates",
">\n\nAs someone used to driving in snow, it's easy to criticize people that can't. \nWhich is not at all fair. Having to learn a new skill in an emergency situation is pretty rough.\nGood luck, hang in there!",
">\n\nNo one should be driving in 4 feet of snow. It is tragic that we lost so many lives. I’m watching this from Syracuse and I’m devastated.",
">\n\nReddit: snow related deaths are ONLY someone else’s fault.",
">\n\nAt least one was due to carbon monoxide poisoning. Due to the winds blowing drifts incredibly high (some outside my place were over 7ft), the furnace vents would get covered by snow, therefore no exhaust could escape, CO builds up and... yeah. It's sad and unfortunate.\nFreezing to death, accidents where no emergency services could get through, etc etc. I could literally not leave my building for 4 days due to the storm, there's no way emergency services could get in.",
">\n\n\nCO2 builds up\n\nCO is carbon monoxide. CO2 is carbon dioxide that nobody cares about.",
">\n\nWhoops, brain fart. Thanks!",
">\n\nHow they supposed to buss now?"
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"31 deaths is crazy… stay safe out there!",
">\n\nI'm in Ohio and had to be the bad guy to my in-laws by saying we weren't coming to Christmas Eve, then they called the next day and said it took them an hour to drive 10 minutes home from the dinner we skipped and how dangerous it was. \nSome people gotta touch an oven to see if it's hot when you tell them ¯\\ಠಠ_/¯",
">\n\nAlso in Ohio. Called out of work the day of the storm even though it was only a 15 min drive away. Roads were still not cleared fully 2 days later.",
">\n\nI called out on Friday, I do not like my job enough to risk my life for it, especially during the holiday rush.",
">\n\nDon't get me wrong. My job is great and it pays well. But money is money and it'll cost a lot more for my loved ones to arrange my funeral than it would for me to miss a day of work.",
">\n\nI’m in BC where we got hit pretty bad last week, and my ethos was, “I get paid less in a day than my car insurance deductible costs”",
">\n\nHaha I’m gonna remember this",
">\n\nEmergency services were turned off for 2 days during the storm. The city was completely inaccessible so if you get into an accident you're on your own. My street (a main street in the heart of the west side) had a snow drift as high a stoplight blocking all access. Down the way was an abandoned semitruck blocking the entire road as well as other abandoned cars sprinkled across the landscape completely buried in snow. Trees fallen everywhere too. The whole city was like this.\nI knew it was going to be bad but this one was BAD",
">\n\nYou’ve been hit hard twice and it’s only December. Do you think about moving? Just curious. I live in Maine but come from Rochester NY and I don’t think I could deal with that level of disaster anymore.",
">\n\nGrew up in Rochester as well, moved to Southern Louisiana to get away from the snow. In the 90's I got cuaght several times on the stretch of 90 between Buffalo and Erie and wasn't sure I'd make it home. The snow through there is crazy, I would just follow a semi at a distance and if he went off the road I knew to stop.",
">\n\ndriving around with Semi-traction can be a bit dangerous sometimes.",
">\n\nIf they've got a full load they do better than cars and have more experienced drivers so I follow them too. But with an empty trailer they're screwed in high winds. I was thinking of passing one in Chicago snowstorm but the back drifted just a bit so I slowed down and kept back. Sure enough a few minutes later a gust caught him and the trailer swung across a couple lanes and almost jackknifed. Driver did a great job of getting it straightened back out so kudos to him! That was a long ass stressful drive back home though. I was exhausted.",
">\n\nThis is why people would rush to the store to buy up things like eggs, bread, milk, butter, TP, paper towels, etc... Sure people always panic when it's just a little snow but overall, these types of storms are why.",
">\n\nAlso why it's good to have some canned/dried goods. I keep about 4-5 days worth of soups, canned goods, rice, ramen, clean it out every once in a while if it doesn't get used. It's not costly either, that stuff is fairly cheap. \nBut man, this is pretty crazy. I think the most I've ever been trapped (no driving ban, just felt safe to leave) was 3 days in 2010 for \"Snowmaggedon\", these poor folks are almost going on a week.",
">\n\nYou keep 4-5 days worth?... I feel like I may be a hoarder if 4-5 days is considered a good amount.",
">\n\n4-5 days worth of food is nothing. I live in Louisiana and that’s the bare minimum in my opinion.",
">\n\nI'm pretty sure we have a month's worth of food all combined. Lots of dried beans and rice too. For me, it's to be prepared, and because of the poverty I've experienced, where all my food was from the food bank.",
">\n\nThat's very smart. Dried beans and rice are heaven when you have ZERO access. People don't understand that. it's not about what you want to eat in a disaster, its about eating high caloric/protein meals and staying adequately 'full', or, at the very least, having enough food to have some energy output.",
">\n\nAnother thing is maintaining a more positive mental state. When you don't meet the daily nutritive threshold it can mess with your head. Bad thought loops are the last thing you need in a natural disaster.",
">\n\nThis is 100 why I keep 'mental health food' in my pantry. A chocolate bar. Liquid IVs. Canned fruit. Stuff I know will boost me when I'm low. It helped so much during Ida.",
">\n\nEvery business that stayed open and didn't give their employees the option to stay home should be prosecuted. These people would t have been out in this if it wasn't for fear of losing their jobs. It's disgusting.",
">\n\nToo bad our elected officials don't represent their constituents' interests. Or rather they consider the businesses their constuents, rather than the voters.",
">\n\n\nOr rather they consider the businesses their constituents, rather than the voters.\n\nConservatives make no secret at all about this, and their voters are very straightforward about valuing business owners over regular people.",
">\n\nIt's not just conservatives, sadly. Both parties represent corporations over human beings.",
">\n\nTrue, but conservatives have turned the \"small business owner\" into an identity that they leverage against anybody who might need any sort of govt protections; the narrative is always that JimBob's Tire Emporium will go under if he has to pay over $8/hour or offer insurance. They all see themselves as JimBob. It's a really good trick.\nDems are for sure corrupt and support a lot of corporate agenda items but they campaign on individual wage and debt issues and do actually pass legislation. They're less psychopathic.",
">\n\nAnd yet conservative's talk about small business that way, but vote every damn time to make sure that larger companies get advantages - and those small businesses fail.",
">\n\nSo do Dems. Follow the money, both parties are propped up by the foulest industries and that isn't even considering dark money and super PACS.",
">\n\nI do, but I also look at the voting records. We need to get more people to run under \"Working Families\"that arent just \"better than the worse\" of the democrats.",
">\n\nLowes doesn't care. Still forcing employees to come in",
">\n\nI recently learned from a former Lowe’s employee that they have some sort of agreement with the government to be considered essential so that people and emergency services can get generators and equipment from them",
">\n\njesus, that's a lot of fucking snow \nlooking at that i'm having a mild ptsd from the four straight days of shoveling/blowing last week here in northern WI",
">\n\nHi fellow Northwoods resident!\nThe blow snow is the worst part. Stupid snow drifts. \nAlthough. My subdivision went from an open field to a street full of houses this summer. So the drifting is down considerably.",
">\n\nWyoming enters the chat Someone talking about snowdrifts? The jackalopes have it tough this year.",
">\n\nJesus I saw that Cheyenne dropped 32 degrees in temp in 10 minutes. That is seriously insane weather.",
">\n\nIt was awesome! \nDay after tomorrow quotes for a week! \nWe never lost power so it was a win. What's funny is that it was around 25 this morning. Still wearing short sleeve shirts after the last frost. It was crazy! Hope y'all are safe.",
">\n\nOne wonders if there is a list of missing people and if so, how long the list is",
">\n\nI saw a fucked up video of people coming across someone frozen on the ground.",
">\n\nThat's cold asf",
">\n\nYeah both what they were saying and acting and the fact the person froze to death.",
">\n\nI once slept outside in 5 to 10 degree weather, I hope all the homeless got somewhere warm.",
">\n\n\"Poloncarz, a Democrat, called the blizzard \"the worst storm probably in our lifetime,\" even for an area known for heavy snow. More bodies are expected to be found as the snow is cleared or melts.\" \nWtf does their political affiliation have to do with anything? \n\"Jeff here, who loves cheese, was devastated when his wife was unable to be rescued from her car\".",
">\n\nPeople need to know if they should agree or disagree with the statement about the storm.",
">\n\nWhat?!? He’s a democrat? \nThat’s all I needed to hear to know that this definitely was NOT the worst storm in the city’s history, typical democrat fear mongering.\nTheres no more bodies to find, but I’m sure the democrats will claim they found more bodies just to justify more government spending. They’ll be counting people that died 3 weeks ago as storm deaths. They count bodies the same way they count votes for Biden. LGB!!\n/s",
">\n\nRemenber: whatever out there isn't worth your life",
">\n\nWell said, just chill at your home safely till the storm reduces",
">\n\nMany houses do not have power and people are trying to get to the safety of a community shelter.",
">\n\nThis is true as well",
">\n\nI’m in buffalo we had no power for 74 hours and needed gas to run a generator to stay warm, to survive you have to make choices. There wasn’t even 911 services for the entire city for days.",
">\n\nIt's insane to me they announced no emergency services. It was like 48 hours. All the bodegas near me on the west side got robbed, pretty crazy.",
">\n\nIt is insane, and public services have to warn people and risk the looting. The government is a construct that's a failure when its needed lately. It's not going to get any better either...",
">\n\nThis is not the time to play on the roads, so stay off them",
">\n\nKind of hard to do that if you live in your car.",
">\n\nmy hometown 💔 my sister is still snowed in and had to walk to wegmans to try and get supplies. i really wish i could help",
">\n\nDoesn't help homeless people who have no choice.",
">\n\nMeanwhile, Starbucks etc. demanding to know why employees aren't clocked in",
">\n\nI happened to have my plans messed up from the weather, so I was chillin solo on Xmas. I couldn’t believe my local Starbucks was open. Give em a day, Jeaz! No one is missing Starbucks that day.",
">\n\nRight?\nI mean, it's one thing to be open on a holiday in a busy travel area, especially if you have staff who celebrate other holidays -- but floods, shootings, blizzards, holidays (where it's not necessary or at not busy stores). Pretty sure there is something in the \"How to Be Corporate\" manual that demands stores be open in the most ridiculous situations without exception; in fact, that more ridiculous the more critical it is for the store to be fully staffed :/",
">\n\nFor the people looking in from outside the area, the people of WNY take pride in being able to survive storms with minimal disruption. And remember that we just got thru a monumental storm just before thanksgiving. But unless you are at least 55 yrs old you can’t really remember conditions like those of last week. It was on a whole different level and all the local weatherman warnings about it’s impending severity couldn’t convince a large number of the population. The fact that they hype up a normal lake effect snow storm every 10 days may have played a small part in people disregarding the warnings but that’s a whole other conversation.",
">\n\nThe size of the Low and the massive pressure gradient between it and the cold high behind it was absolutely nuts.",
">\n\n\"but you're still coming in for your shift, right?\" - management",
">\n\nThese managers and store owners should be prosecuted and go to jail.",
">\n\nI'm looking forward to the several lawsuits from employees over their bosses making them show up to work.",
">\n\nThe people at those jobs don't have the means to sue. And if they do the company will stretch it out requiring court appearances but the employee doesn't have that many sick and vacation days so they either show up and lose their job or give up. People can't go that long without work to fight back against the evil bastards. The only chance is a large class action or if the business gets enough bad publicity that they settle.",
">\n\nSo did folks stock up on supplies before this thing hit? If you can't drive you can't get to the grocery store or pharmacy.",
">\n\nThis is why they say you should have 2 weeks worth of non-perishable food at home at all times. Even if it's just soup or pasta. Because there will come a time when you're stuck for several days and everything is shut down. I know it sucks because so many are living paycheck to paycheck, but it's important to have that little stash of food (and medicine).",
">\n\nExactly. Everyone should have an emergency kit.",
">\n\nYou know how bad it is after you learn Buffalo is a place that is no stranger to snow, cold snaps and blizzards.",
">\n\nMy mum couldn’t understand why there have been so many deaths and as someone who’s only been following the situation from a distance I couldn’t really give her a confident answer. Are people dying from being caught in the blizzard outside? Are they trapped inside with no heating or supplies and succumbing to the cold? Is it primarily elderly people? Was this storm foreseen and were people warned to be prepared?",
">\n\nThe snow was so bad, people got stuck on the road. For over 24 hours there were NO emergency services available because ALL their vehicles were stuck. People froze to death or died from carbon monoxide b/c they ran their motors for heat.\nWe has sustained 75mph winds on Friday that immediately knock power out, and heat for those without gas. Water pipes broke. Fires. People became disoriented walking & just fell over & died. The snow was heavy, so shoveling caused heart attacks.\nNo one could prepare us for this. I have lived in the Buffalo area for 54 years. I have seen storms, but not like this.",
">\n\nWe have gas heat but it’s forced air so no power= no heat. (Luckily we only had power flicker a few times- houses down the street lost power). \nI said elsewhere- I’ve never been in a situation where we were told “no emergency services- you’re on your own”. Maybe it happened in ‘77 but I was 5 then and I honestly don’t remember the storm.",
">\n\nI was 9 in '77 so I don't remember a lot either. I was also in Chautauqua county then & like this storm, it wasn't as bad down there. \nI am in Southtowns now. I agree 100% that this is a storm like no other in my lifetime. First the 5+ feet of snow a couple weeks ago, now this.\nWe were lucky too. I am SO GLAD you survived!🙏 Too many sad stories that didn't need to happen, and on Christmas no less. Peace & Go Bills!",
">\n\nThis is exactly why I hate snow. I know it's fun to ski and make snowmen and have snow ball fights. It's when you have to clear the snow due to it hindering something or drive in it, deaths result.",
">\n\nNo hair, our skin hurts in low temps, Our noses dont work under low humidity. For all intents and purposes, humans aren't meant to live in the cold.",
">\n\nEmployers:”Walk your ass to work. I’ll see you when the snow dies down because I took vacation.”",
">\n\nSome of those dead must be chili's managers who blew a blood vessel screaming at min wage workers that this storm \" wasn't that bad\" and \" we are going to be crazy busy\"",
">\n\n\"Well yes, but can you still come in? We're short-staffed. Be a team player! It's only a bit of snow!\"",
">\n\nBiggest issue people don’t understand; when you “have to” go to a store or run an errand and you get into an accident, you call 911.\nThose first responders shouldn’t be dealing with you right now, they should be trying to rescue any trapped victims that might still be alive.\nStop being selfish, stay off the roads and if you actually need something, ask neighbors for help, pool your resources and become a better community while others are given a chance to survive.",
">\n\nEmergency services were turned off for 2 days during the storm. The city was completely inaccessible so if you get into an accident you're on your own. My street (a main street in the heart of the west side) had a snow drift as high a stoplight blocking all access. Down the way was an abandoned semitruck blocking the entire road as well as other abandoned cars sprinkled across the landscape. The whole city was like this.",
">\n\nStill there will be a lot of people who think the ban doesn't apply to them because they have to go see grandma.",
">\n\nOr they're homeless and don't have anywhere else to go",
">\n\nHopefully people stay off the roads, bc this is no time to play",
">\n\nI still don't know anyone personally who has been ticketed for driving during the ban. I think they should automatically ticket every car that was abandoned on a bus route and let the owner explain why they were driving during the ban to determine if they have to pay the fine. People will not obey laws if there's no enforcement.\nPayloaders came down my street last night (Tuesday), so I was able to drive to ECMC to pick up my wife, but on my way there, a friend of mine texted me \"we're at the bar if you want to swing by\". Considering that the bartender had to drive in from Tonawanda, that bar should have been closed.",
">\n\nWonder how many people did it anyways in the name of “muh freedom” then ran to an already overworked emergency room when their stupidity backfired",
">\n\nEmergency Room? Nobody could get to the hospital and there were no ambulances",
">\n\nNewspapers had a combination of revenue. Income from subscribers and newsboxes proved their circulation which helped them sell ads. When people stopped paying for the paper they were also no longer eyeballs for the ads. And the fact that they paid to read in the first place contributes to the investment each party has in the advertiser, publication, readership relationship. \nBasic news reporting is worth every penny you pay, and even subscribing you should still look at every article critically for spin. Anyone who gives it to you free has an angle of their own.\nEdited to add: my parents subscribed to papers. I just read the headlines.",
">\n\nI worked at a small town paper with circulation about 30k (weekend) and we had about $12k daily revenue from classifieds ads that vaporized when craigslist came. Went from 10-14 pages of classifieds to half a page. Classifieds subsidized a lot of the paper.",
">\n\nYeah, competition for eyeballs went way way up in the digital age where investment costs are so so low compared to physical media overhead",
">\n\nIt's honestly really sad, that paper employed probably 100-150 ppl when i was there and now it does not exist on a local level.. there are some freelance reporters and photogs who submit stories but everything else is handled on a national level - there's a customer service call center, photo color correction is a central department for hundreds of papers, etc. They contract the press work to another larger paper and the delivery is handled by 1099 contractors. Local news barely exists anymore.",
">\n\nDriving ban? Where are the “my Freedumbs” people when you need them? This is unconstitutional! This is an overreach of government! Unbelievable! \n/s",
">\n\nAny good american would have taken out their AR15 and shot the blizzard..\n/s",
">\n\nI got DOWNVOTED for SARCASM!?! \nFuck you Reddit! lol :-)",
">\n\nTired of the \"muh freedumb\" constant complainers... I really feel bad for the common sense people of the area. Same people, \"why do weather forecasters always speak in sensationalism and hyperbole?\"",
">\n\nNo protests about government overreach?",
">\n\nIsn't it about to be warm again. Wondr8ng how much of this snow will melt with a few days above freezing and rain",
">\n\nThey’re already trying to warn people who live in known flooding areas.",
">\n\nThere are homes still without power, and people have died waiting for emergency personnel, but if you try to travel to a warm home or a hospital yourself, they'll sic the cops on you.",
">\n\nhow did they die? stuck in their cars?",
">\n\nYet another example of how shitty America's car-centric infrastructure is.",
">\n\nWow! Maybe national guard takes orders from homes and delivers them so that people don’t have to leave house out of desperation!! Wow!",
">\n\nNo driving... But is my snowmobile good to go? How about my Ranger on tracks? I feel like people that have proper modes of transportation for the region should get a pass.",
">\n\nplows were getting stuck",
">\n\nI guess we need to blame the governor and senators for this weather event. Or do we only do that in Texas",
">\n\nThey’re not blamed for the weather event but how they react to it.",
">\n\nSo how are officials in NY reacting to this? People still without power, cars and people stranded everywhere. Deathtoll still rising. I guess the governor only gets held accountable when he/she has an R next to their name.",
">\n\nYeah... New York didn't disconnect their power grid from the rest of the nation in order to avoid oversight only to have it collapse under stress that would otherwise be manageable.",
">\n\nSo what is the excuse in NY then?",
">\n\nActually extreme weather rather than temperatures barely below zero.",
">\n\nTexas power grid handles sustained summers with weeks over 100* \nCalifornias can barely survive 90* weeks\nMaybe grids are built for their usual climates",
">\n\nAs someone used to driving in snow, it's easy to criticize people that can't. \nWhich is not at all fair. Having to learn a new skill in an emergency situation is pretty rough.\nGood luck, hang in there!",
">\n\nNo one should be driving in 4 feet of snow. It is tragic that we lost so many lives. I’m watching this from Syracuse and I’m devastated.",
">\n\nReddit: snow related deaths are ONLY someone else’s fault.",
">\n\nAt least one was due to carbon monoxide poisoning. Due to the winds blowing drifts incredibly high (some outside my place were over 7ft), the furnace vents would get covered by snow, therefore no exhaust could escape, CO builds up and... yeah. It's sad and unfortunate.\nFreezing to death, accidents where no emergency services could get through, etc etc. I could literally not leave my building for 4 days due to the storm, there's no way emergency services could get in.",
">\n\n\nCO2 builds up\n\nCO is carbon monoxide. CO2 is carbon dioxide that nobody cares about.",
">\n\nWhoops, brain fart. Thanks!",
">\n\nHow they supposed to buss now?",
">\n\nDo you know what “starved” means? \nAlso sorry for loss. I heard the preper community was mourning the loss of the member they called “911”."
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Wtf you mean...genuinely confused, am high though.
The fact that their alive says that they can. Until they can't. Then they die.
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I too have trouble understanding this....and I'm sober....enough maybe
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">\n\nWtf you mean...genuinely confused, am high though. \nThe fact that their alive says that they can. Until they can't. Then they die."
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">\n\nWtf you mean...genuinely confused, am high though. \nThe fact that their alive says that they can. Until they can't. Then they die.",
">\n\nI too have trouble understanding this....and I'm sober....enough maybe"
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This guy waited in an SUV with his three kids (11, 9, 6) until his wife came outside. He told his children to keep their seatbelts on, then plowed into her, flipping his SUV in the process. He crawled out of the wreck and stabbed her.
She's in the hospital with broken bones, a stab wound to the liver, and brain damage. The children were uninjured.
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Holy crap I read the headline and thought “yep she’s dead, and those kids are fucked for life” I’m glad only half of this thought is true, although not glad about it happening at all.
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She’s apparently suffered brain damage, so not sure what her QoL will be if she makes it.
Goddamn this world fucking suuuuuuuuuuucks!!!!!
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"This guy waited in an SUV with his three kids (11, 9, 6) until his wife came outside. He told his children to keep their seatbelts on, then plowed into her, flipping his SUV in the process. He crawled out of the wreck and stabbed her.\nShe's in the hospital with broken bones, a stab wound to the liver, and brain damage. The children were uninjured.",
">\n\nHoly crap I read the headline and thought “yep she’s dead, and those kids are fucked for life” I’m glad only half of this thought is true, although not glad about it happening at all."
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Chill. Stop reading the national news. make your own reality. Set some goals.
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"This guy waited in an SUV with his three kids (11, 9, 6) until his wife came outside. He told his children to keep their seatbelts on, then plowed into her, flipping his SUV in the process. He crawled out of the wreck and stabbed her.\nShe's in the hospital with broken bones, a stab wound to the liver, and brain damage. The children were uninjured.",
">\n\nHoly crap I read the headline and thought “yep she’s dead, and those kids are fucked for life” I’m glad only half of this thought is true, although not glad about it happening at all.",
">\n\nShe’s apparently suffered brain damage, so not sure what her QoL will be if she makes it. \nGoddamn this world fucking suuuuuuuuuuucks!!!!!"
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This is good advice, and I am working on it. Thank you. BS like this just pisses me off.
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"This guy waited in an SUV with his three kids (11, 9, 6) until his wife came outside. He told his children to keep their seatbelts on, then plowed into her, flipping his SUV in the process. He crawled out of the wreck and stabbed her.\nShe's in the hospital with broken bones, a stab wound to the liver, and brain damage. The children were uninjured.",
">\n\nHoly crap I read the headline and thought “yep she’s dead, and those kids are fucked for life” I’m glad only half of this thought is true, although not glad about it happening at all.",
">\n\nShe’s apparently suffered brain damage, so not sure what her QoL will be if she makes it. \nGoddamn this world fucking suuuuuuuuuuucks!!!!!",
">\n\nChill. Stop reading the national news. make your own reality. Set some goals."
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Me too.
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"This guy waited in an SUV with his three kids (11, 9, 6) until his wife came outside. He told his children to keep their seatbelts on, then plowed into her, flipping his SUV in the process. He crawled out of the wreck and stabbed her.\nShe's in the hospital with broken bones, a stab wound to the liver, and brain damage. The children were uninjured.",
">\n\nHoly crap I read the headline and thought “yep she’s dead, and those kids are fucked for life” I’m glad only half of this thought is true, although not glad about it happening at all.",
">\n\nShe’s apparently suffered brain damage, so not sure what her QoL will be if she makes it. \nGoddamn this world fucking suuuuuuuuuuucks!!!!!",
">\n\nChill. Stop reading the national news. make your own reality. Set some goals.",
">\n\nThis is good advice, and I am working on it. Thank you. BS like this just pisses me off."
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“Convinced”???
Do you mean “CONVICTED”?
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"This guy waited in an SUV with his three kids (11, 9, 6) until his wife came outside. He told his children to keep their seatbelts on, then plowed into her, flipping his SUV in the process. He crawled out of the wreck and stabbed her.\nShe's in the hospital with broken bones, a stab wound to the liver, and brain damage. The children were uninjured.",
">\n\nHoly crap I read the headline and thought “yep she’s dead, and those kids are fucked for life” I’m glad only half of this thought is true, although not glad about it happening at all.",
">\n\nShe’s apparently suffered brain damage, so not sure what her QoL will be if she makes it. \nGoddamn this world fucking suuuuuuuuuuucks!!!!!",
">\n\nChill. Stop reading the national news. make your own reality. Set some goals.",
">\n\nThis is good advice, and I am working on it. Thank you. BS like this just pisses me off.",
">\n\nMe too."
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Yes I did. ConvicTed
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"This guy waited in an SUV with his three kids (11, 9, 6) until his wife came outside. He told his children to keep their seatbelts on, then plowed into her, flipping his SUV in the process. He crawled out of the wreck and stabbed her.\nShe's in the hospital with broken bones, a stab wound to the liver, and brain damage. The children were uninjured.",
">\n\nHoly crap I read the headline and thought “yep she’s dead, and those kids are fucked for life” I’m glad only half of this thought is true, although not glad about it happening at all.",
">\n\nShe’s apparently suffered brain damage, so not sure what her QoL will be if she makes it. \nGoddamn this world fucking suuuuuuuuuuucks!!!!!",
">\n\nChill. Stop reading the national news. make your own reality. Set some goals.",
">\n\nThis is good advice, and I am working on it. Thank you. BS like this just pisses me off.",
">\n\nMe too.",
">\n\n“Convinced”???\nDo you mean “CONVICTED”?"
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Police will say "no one saw that coming". And yet there will likely be multiple police reports, restraining orders, etc. #murderinslowmotion
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"This guy waited in an SUV with his three kids (11, 9, 6) until his wife came outside. He told his children to keep their seatbelts on, then plowed into her, flipping his SUV in the process. He crawled out of the wreck and stabbed her.\nShe's in the hospital with broken bones, a stab wound to the liver, and brain damage. The children were uninjured.",
">\n\nHoly crap I read the headline and thought “yep she’s dead, and those kids are fucked for life” I’m glad only half of this thought is true, although not glad about it happening at all.",
">\n\nShe’s apparently suffered brain damage, so not sure what her QoL will be if she makes it. \nGoddamn this world fucking suuuuuuuuuuucks!!!!!",
">\n\nChill. Stop reading the national news. make your own reality. Set some goals.",
">\n\nThis is good advice, and I am working on it. Thank you. BS like this just pisses me off.",
">\n\nMe too.",
">\n\n“Convinced”???\nDo you mean “CONVICTED”?",
">\n\nYes I did. ConvicTed"
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Remember the courts rules police can watch you being raped in broad daylight while they sit in their cars or get donuts.
Edit: that’s a made up example but really the cops can practically stand next to your murderer, let the murder happen and the courts will say they had no duty to stop it.
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"This guy waited in an SUV with his three kids (11, 9, 6) until his wife came outside. He told his children to keep their seatbelts on, then plowed into her, flipping his SUV in the process. He crawled out of the wreck and stabbed her.\nShe's in the hospital with broken bones, a stab wound to the liver, and brain damage. The children were uninjured.",
">\n\nHoly crap I read the headline and thought “yep she’s dead, and those kids are fucked for life” I’m glad only half of this thought is true, although not glad about it happening at all.",
">\n\nShe’s apparently suffered brain damage, so not sure what her QoL will be if she makes it. \nGoddamn this world fucking suuuuuuuuuuucks!!!!!",
">\n\nChill. Stop reading the national news. make your own reality. Set some goals.",
">\n\nThis is good advice, and I am working on it. Thank you. BS like this just pisses me off.",
">\n\nMe too.",
">\n\n“Convinced”???\nDo you mean “CONVICTED”?",
">\n\nYes I did. ConvicTed",
">\n\nPolice will say \"no one saw that coming\". And yet there will likely be multiple police reports, restraining orders, etc. #murderinslowmotion"
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Yes, correct. Police officers in New York watched a man being stabbed and stayed safe behind a door until the assailant was subdued by an unarmed civilian. They then stepped in the moment the attacker was disarmed. The Courts found they had no responsibility to protect the innocent person being stabbed by a suspect they were actively pursuing.
Source
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"This guy waited in an SUV with his three kids (11, 9, 6) until his wife came outside. He told his children to keep their seatbelts on, then plowed into her, flipping his SUV in the process. He crawled out of the wreck and stabbed her.\nShe's in the hospital with broken bones, a stab wound to the liver, and brain damage. The children were uninjured.",
">\n\nHoly crap I read the headline and thought “yep she’s dead, and those kids are fucked for life” I’m glad only half of this thought is true, although not glad about it happening at all.",
">\n\nShe’s apparently suffered brain damage, so not sure what her QoL will be if she makes it. \nGoddamn this world fucking suuuuuuuuuuucks!!!!!",
">\n\nChill. Stop reading the national news. make your own reality. Set some goals.",
">\n\nThis is good advice, and I am working on it. Thank you. BS like this just pisses me off.",
">\n\nMe too.",
">\n\n“Convinced”???\nDo you mean “CONVICTED”?",
">\n\nYes I did. ConvicTed",
">\n\nPolice will say \"no one saw that coming\". And yet there will likely be multiple police reports, restraining orders, etc. #murderinslowmotion",
">\n\nRemember the courts rules police can watch you being raped in broad daylight while they sit in their cars or get donuts.\nEdit: that’s a made up example but really the cops can practically stand next to your murderer, let the murder happen and the courts will say they had no duty to stop it."
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Theres a few more another famous one was Gonzales vs Castle Rock. Woman begged police to enforce an active reatraining order on her. Police didnt help at all. The ex kidnapped murdered their kids. The court said the police never had any duty to help her.
Edit: I know there are more but that one always stands out.
There was also the Parkland shooting cops ran away leaving the kids behind during an active shooter crisis. Courts ruled cops had no duty to help the kids.
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"This guy waited in an SUV with his three kids (11, 9, 6) until his wife came outside. He told his children to keep their seatbelts on, then plowed into her, flipping his SUV in the process. He crawled out of the wreck and stabbed her.\nShe's in the hospital with broken bones, a stab wound to the liver, and brain damage. The children were uninjured.",
">\n\nHoly crap I read the headline and thought “yep she’s dead, and those kids are fucked for life” I’m glad only half of this thought is true, although not glad about it happening at all.",
">\n\nShe’s apparently suffered brain damage, so not sure what her QoL will be if she makes it. \nGoddamn this world fucking suuuuuuuuuuucks!!!!!",
">\n\nChill. Stop reading the national news. make your own reality. Set some goals.",
">\n\nThis is good advice, and I am working on it. Thank you. BS like this just pisses me off.",
">\n\nMe too.",
">\n\n“Convinced”???\nDo you mean “CONVICTED”?",
">\n\nYes I did. ConvicTed",
">\n\nPolice will say \"no one saw that coming\". And yet there will likely be multiple police reports, restraining orders, etc. #murderinslowmotion",
">\n\nRemember the courts rules police can watch you being raped in broad daylight while they sit in their cars or get donuts.\nEdit: that’s a made up example but really the cops can practically stand next to your murderer, let the murder happen and the courts will say they had no duty to stop it.",
">\n\nYes, correct. Police officers in New York watched a man being stabbed and stayed safe behind a door until the assailant was subdued by an unarmed civilian. They then stepped in the moment the attacker was disarmed. The Courts found they had no responsibility to protect the innocent person being stabbed by a suspect they were actively pursuing. \nSource"
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IIRC that cop was forcibly reinstated to the force with backpay / pension too.
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"This guy waited in an SUV with his three kids (11, 9, 6) until his wife came outside. He told his children to keep their seatbelts on, then plowed into her, flipping his SUV in the process. He crawled out of the wreck and stabbed her.\nShe's in the hospital with broken bones, a stab wound to the liver, and brain damage. The children were uninjured.",
">\n\nHoly crap I read the headline and thought “yep she’s dead, and those kids are fucked for life” I’m glad only half of this thought is true, although not glad about it happening at all.",
">\n\nShe’s apparently suffered brain damage, so not sure what her QoL will be if she makes it. \nGoddamn this world fucking suuuuuuuuuuucks!!!!!",
">\n\nChill. Stop reading the national news. make your own reality. Set some goals.",
">\n\nThis is good advice, and I am working on it. Thank you. BS like this just pisses me off.",
">\n\nMe too.",
">\n\n“Convinced”???\nDo you mean “CONVICTED”?",
">\n\nYes I did. ConvicTed",
">\n\nPolice will say \"no one saw that coming\". And yet there will likely be multiple police reports, restraining orders, etc. #murderinslowmotion",
">\n\nRemember the courts rules police can watch you being raped in broad daylight while they sit in their cars or get donuts.\nEdit: that’s a made up example but really the cops can practically stand next to your murderer, let the murder happen and the courts will say they had no duty to stop it.",
">\n\nYes, correct. Police officers in New York watched a man being stabbed and stayed safe behind a door until the assailant was subdued by an unarmed civilian. They then stepped in the moment the attacker was disarmed. The Courts found they had no responsibility to protect the innocent person being stabbed by a suspect they were actively pursuing. \nSource",
">\n\nTheres a few more another famous one was Gonzales vs Castle Rock. Woman begged police to enforce an active reatraining order on her. Police didnt help at all. The ex kidnapped murdered their kids. The court said the police never had any duty to help her.\nEdit: I know there are more but that one always stands out.\nThere was also the Parkland shooting cops ran away leaving the kids behind during an active shooter crisis. Courts ruled cops had no duty to help the kids."
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As someone that works with a lot of kids with trauma and have been in an abusive marriage.
You develop a real set of skills working with trauma clients. You start to understand behaviors that don't make sense to anyone else and it's a way to almost 'justify' their actions. You see the behavior as borne from their abuse and not themselves.
This makes it easy to disassociate when they in turn abuse you.
For me, it made dealing with the abuse much easier and writing it off to the trauma she has previously experienced.
It's a bad mindset and you really need to check yourself in this field as people will use your patience and kindness.
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"This guy waited in an SUV with his three kids (11, 9, 6) until his wife came outside. He told his children to keep their seatbelts on, then plowed into her, flipping his SUV in the process. He crawled out of the wreck and stabbed her.\nShe's in the hospital with broken bones, a stab wound to the liver, and brain damage. The children were uninjured.",
">\n\nHoly crap I read the headline and thought “yep she’s dead, and those kids are fucked for life” I’m glad only half of this thought is true, although not glad about it happening at all.",
">\n\nShe’s apparently suffered brain damage, so not sure what her QoL will be if she makes it. \nGoddamn this world fucking suuuuuuuuuuucks!!!!!",
">\n\nChill. Stop reading the national news. make your own reality. Set some goals.",
">\n\nThis is good advice, and I am working on it. Thank you. BS like this just pisses me off.",
">\n\nMe too.",
">\n\n“Convinced”???\nDo you mean “CONVICTED”?",
">\n\nYes I did. ConvicTed",
">\n\nPolice will say \"no one saw that coming\". And yet there will likely be multiple police reports, restraining orders, etc. #murderinslowmotion",
">\n\nRemember the courts rules police can watch you being raped in broad daylight while they sit in their cars or get donuts.\nEdit: that’s a made up example but really the cops can practically stand next to your murderer, let the murder happen and the courts will say they had no duty to stop it.",
">\n\nYes, correct. Police officers in New York watched a man being stabbed and stayed safe behind a door until the assailant was subdued by an unarmed civilian. They then stepped in the moment the attacker was disarmed. The Courts found they had no responsibility to protect the innocent person being stabbed by a suspect they were actively pursuing. \nSource",
">\n\nTheres a few more another famous one was Gonzales vs Castle Rock. Woman begged police to enforce an active reatraining order on her. Police didnt help at all. The ex kidnapped murdered their kids. The court said the police never had any duty to help her.\nEdit: I know there are more but that one always stands out.\nThere was also the Parkland shooting cops ran away leaving the kids behind during an active shooter crisis. Courts ruled cops had no duty to help the kids.",
">\n\nIIRC that cop was forcibly reinstated to the force with backpay / pension too."
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I hope she's able to recover, physically and emotionally. Those poor kids.
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"This guy waited in an SUV with his three kids (11, 9, 6) until his wife came outside. He told his children to keep their seatbelts on, then plowed into her, flipping his SUV in the process. He crawled out of the wreck and stabbed her.\nShe's in the hospital with broken bones, a stab wound to the liver, and brain damage. The children were uninjured.",
">\n\nHoly crap I read the headline and thought “yep she’s dead, and those kids are fucked for life” I’m glad only half of this thought is true, although not glad about it happening at all.",
">\n\nShe’s apparently suffered brain damage, so not sure what her QoL will be if she makes it. \nGoddamn this world fucking suuuuuuuuuuucks!!!!!",
">\n\nChill. Stop reading the national news. make your own reality. Set some goals.",
">\n\nThis is good advice, and I am working on it. Thank you. BS like this just pisses me off.",
">\n\nMe too.",
">\n\n“Convinced”???\nDo you mean “CONVICTED”?",
">\n\nYes I did. ConvicTed",
">\n\nPolice will say \"no one saw that coming\". And yet there will likely be multiple police reports, restraining orders, etc. #murderinslowmotion",
">\n\nRemember the courts rules police can watch you being raped in broad daylight while they sit in their cars or get donuts.\nEdit: that’s a made up example but really the cops can practically stand next to your murderer, let the murder happen and the courts will say they had no duty to stop it.",
">\n\nYes, correct. Police officers in New York watched a man being stabbed and stayed safe behind a door until the assailant was subdued by an unarmed civilian. They then stepped in the moment the attacker was disarmed. The Courts found they had no responsibility to protect the innocent person being stabbed by a suspect they were actively pursuing. \nSource",
">\n\nTheres a few more another famous one was Gonzales vs Castle Rock. Woman begged police to enforce an active reatraining order on her. Police didnt help at all. The ex kidnapped murdered their kids. The court said the police never had any duty to help her.\nEdit: I know there are more but that one always stands out.\nThere was also the Parkland shooting cops ran away leaving the kids behind during an active shooter crisis. Courts ruled cops had no duty to help the kids.",
">\n\nIIRC that cop was forcibly reinstated to the force with backpay / pension too.",
">\n\nAs someone that works with a lot of kids with trauma and have been in an abusive marriage.\nYou develop a real set of skills working with trauma clients. You start to understand behaviors that don't make sense to anyone else and it's a way to almost 'justify' their actions. You see the behavior as borne from their abuse and not themselves.\nThis makes it easy to disassociate when they in turn abuse you.\nFor me, it made dealing with the abuse much easier and writing it off to the trauma she has previously experienced.\nIt's a bad mindset and you really need to check yourself in this field as people will use your patience and kindness."
] |
>
They just witnessed their dad trying to kill their mother. They felt the car strike her.
Uninjured physically sure, but mentally?
My brain was messed up for a year when I was 16 and my mom accidentally ran over a squirrel.
I have no words or idea how many years of therapy this will be for them. Especially if they feel like it is their fault or that they could of done something.
|
[
"This guy waited in an SUV with his three kids (11, 9, 6) until his wife came outside. He told his children to keep their seatbelts on, then plowed into her, flipping his SUV in the process. He crawled out of the wreck and stabbed her.\nShe's in the hospital with broken bones, a stab wound to the liver, and brain damage. The children were uninjured.",
">\n\nHoly crap I read the headline and thought “yep she’s dead, and those kids are fucked for life” I’m glad only half of this thought is true, although not glad about it happening at all.",
">\n\nShe’s apparently suffered brain damage, so not sure what her QoL will be if she makes it. \nGoddamn this world fucking suuuuuuuuuuucks!!!!!",
">\n\nChill. Stop reading the national news. make your own reality. Set some goals.",
">\n\nThis is good advice, and I am working on it. Thank you. BS like this just pisses me off.",
">\n\nMe too.",
">\n\n“Convinced”???\nDo you mean “CONVICTED”?",
">\n\nYes I did. ConvicTed",
">\n\nPolice will say \"no one saw that coming\". And yet there will likely be multiple police reports, restraining orders, etc. #murderinslowmotion",
">\n\nRemember the courts rules police can watch you being raped in broad daylight while they sit in their cars or get donuts.\nEdit: that’s a made up example but really the cops can practically stand next to your murderer, let the murder happen and the courts will say they had no duty to stop it.",
">\n\nYes, correct. Police officers in New York watched a man being stabbed and stayed safe behind a door until the assailant was subdued by an unarmed civilian. They then stepped in the moment the attacker was disarmed. The Courts found they had no responsibility to protect the innocent person being stabbed by a suspect they were actively pursuing. \nSource",
">\n\nTheres a few more another famous one was Gonzales vs Castle Rock. Woman begged police to enforce an active reatraining order on her. Police didnt help at all. The ex kidnapped murdered their kids. The court said the police never had any duty to help her.\nEdit: I know there are more but that one always stands out.\nThere was also the Parkland shooting cops ran away leaving the kids behind during an active shooter crisis. Courts ruled cops had no duty to help the kids.",
">\n\nIIRC that cop was forcibly reinstated to the force with backpay / pension too.",
">\n\nAs someone that works with a lot of kids with trauma and have been in an abusive marriage.\nYou develop a real set of skills working with trauma clients. You start to understand behaviors that don't make sense to anyone else and it's a way to almost 'justify' their actions. You see the behavior as borne from their abuse and not themselves.\nThis makes it easy to disassociate when they in turn abuse you.\nFor me, it made dealing with the abuse much easier and writing it off to the trauma she has previously experienced.\nIt's a bad mindset and you really need to check yourself in this field as people will use your patience and kindness.",
">\n\nI hope she's able to recover, physically and emotionally. Those poor kids."
] |
>
I wouldn't be surprised if they developed a car phobia (is there a specific word for that?). Any bump or weird sound while being driven around could cause a terrifying flashback to that moment of impact.
|
[
"This guy waited in an SUV with his three kids (11, 9, 6) until his wife came outside. He told his children to keep their seatbelts on, then plowed into her, flipping his SUV in the process. He crawled out of the wreck and stabbed her.\nShe's in the hospital with broken bones, a stab wound to the liver, and brain damage. The children were uninjured.",
">\n\nHoly crap I read the headline and thought “yep she’s dead, and those kids are fucked for life” I’m glad only half of this thought is true, although not glad about it happening at all.",
">\n\nShe’s apparently suffered brain damage, so not sure what her QoL will be if she makes it. \nGoddamn this world fucking suuuuuuuuuuucks!!!!!",
">\n\nChill. Stop reading the national news. make your own reality. Set some goals.",
">\n\nThis is good advice, and I am working on it. Thank you. BS like this just pisses me off.",
">\n\nMe too.",
">\n\n“Convinced”???\nDo you mean “CONVICTED”?",
">\n\nYes I did. ConvicTed",
">\n\nPolice will say \"no one saw that coming\". And yet there will likely be multiple police reports, restraining orders, etc. #murderinslowmotion",
">\n\nRemember the courts rules police can watch you being raped in broad daylight while they sit in their cars or get donuts.\nEdit: that’s a made up example but really the cops can practically stand next to your murderer, let the murder happen and the courts will say they had no duty to stop it.",
">\n\nYes, correct. Police officers in New York watched a man being stabbed and stayed safe behind a door until the assailant was subdued by an unarmed civilian. They then stepped in the moment the attacker was disarmed. The Courts found they had no responsibility to protect the innocent person being stabbed by a suspect they were actively pursuing. \nSource",
">\n\nTheres a few more another famous one was Gonzales vs Castle Rock. Woman begged police to enforce an active reatraining order on her. Police didnt help at all. The ex kidnapped murdered their kids. The court said the police never had any duty to help her.\nEdit: I know there are more but that one always stands out.\nThere was also the Parkland shooting cops ran away leaving the kids behind during an active shooter crisis. Courts ruled cops had no duty to help the kids.",
">\n\nIIRC that cop was forcibly reinstated to the force with backpay / pension too.",
">\n\nAs someone that works with a lot of kids with trauma and have been in an abusive marriage.\nYou develop a real set of skills working with trauma clients. You start to understand behaviors that don't make sense to anyone else and it's a way to almost 'justify' their actions. You see the behavior as borne from their abuse and not themselves.\nThis makes it easy to disassociate when they in turn abuse you.\nFor me, it made dealing with the abuse much easier and writing it off to the trauma she has previously experienced.\nIt's a bad mindset and you really need to check yourself in this field as people will use your patience and kindness.",
">\n\nI hope she's able to recover, physically and emotionally. Those poor kids.",
">\n\nThey just witnessed their dad trying to kill their mother. They felt the car strike her. \nUninjured physically sure, but mentally? \nMy brain was messed up for a year when I was 16 and my mom accidentally ran over a squirrel. \nI have no words or idea how many years of therapy this will be for them. Especially if they feel like it is their fault or that they could of done something."
] |
>
If anything, some form of PTSD with triggers like that.
|
[
"This guy waited in an SUV with his three kids (11, 9, 6) until his wife came outside. He told his children to keep their seatbelts on, then plowed into her, flipping his SUV in the process. He crawled out of the wreck and stabbed her.\nShe's in the hospital with broken bones, a stab wound to the liver, and brain damage. The children were uninjured.",
">\n\nHoly crap I read the headline and thought “yep she’s dead, and those kids are fucked for life” I’m glad only half of this thought is true, although not glad about it happening at all.",
">\n\nShe’s apparently suffered brain damage, so not sure what her QoL will be if she makes it. \nGoddamn this world fucking suuuuuuuuuuucks!!!!!",
">\n\nChill. Stop reading the national news. make your own reality. Set some goals.",
">\n\nThis is good advice, and I am working on it. Thank you. BS like this just pisses me off.",
">\n\nMe too.",
">\n\n“Convinced”???\nDo you mean “CONVICTED”?",
">\n\nYes I did. ConvicTed",
">\n\nPolice will say \"no one saw that coming\". And yet there will likely be multiple police reports, restraining orders, etc. #murderinslowmotion",
">\n\nRemember the courts rules police can watch you being raped in broad daylight while they sit in their cars or get donuts.\nEdit: that’s a made up example but really the cops can practically stand next to your murderer, let the murder happen and the courts will say they had no duty to stop it.",
">\n\nYes, correct. Police officers in New York watched a man being stabbed and stayed safe behind a door until the assailant was subdued by an unarmed civilian. They then stepped in the moment the attacker was disarmed. The Courts found they had no responsibility to protect the innocent person being stabbed by a suspect they were actively pursuing. \nSource",
">\n\nTheres a few more another famous one was Gonzales vs Castle Rock. Woman begged police to enforce an active reatraining order on her. Police didnt help at all. The ex kidnapped murdered their kids. The court said the police never had any duty to help her.\nEdit: I know there are more but that one always stands out.\nThere was also the Parkland shooting cops ran away leaving the kids behind during an active shooter crisis. Courts ruled cops had no duty to help the kids.",
">\n\nIIRC that cop was forcibly reinstated to the force with backpay / pension too.",
">\n\nAs someone that works with a lot of kids with trauma and have been in an abusive marriage.\nYou develop a real set of skills working with trauma clients. You start to understand behaviors that don't make sense to anyone else and it's a way to almost 'justify' their actions. You see the behavior as borne from their abuse and not themselves.\nThis makes it easy to disassociate when they in turn abuse you.\nFor me, it made dealing with the abuse much easier and writing it off to the trauma she has previously experienced.\nIt's a bad mindset and you really need to check yourself in this field as people will use your patience and kindness.",
">\n\nI hope she's able to recover, physically and emotionally. Those poor kids.",
">\n\nThey just witnessed their dad trying to kill their mother. They felt the car strike her. \nUninjured physically sure, but mentally? \nMy brain was messed up for a year when I was 16 and my mom accidentally ran over a squirrel. \nI have no words or idea how many years of therapy this will be for them. Especially if they feel like it is their fault or that they could of done something.",
">\n\nI wouldn't be surprised if they developed a car phobia (is there a specific word for that?). Any bump or weird sound while being driven around could cause a terrifying flashback to that moment of impact."
] |
>
Oh my, this is so painful to read. I am saddened this happened to her. I hope she recovers and the innocent children heal as well as they can given all they've endured. This lady had a podcast trying to assist others seeking to move forward healthfully, from the trappings of despair due to trauma and abuse. I hope the estranged husband is handed the maximum penalty for this.
|
[
"This guy waited in an SUV with his three kids (11, 9, 6) until his wife came outside. He told his children to keep their seatbelts on, then plowed into her, flipping his SUV in the process. He crawled out of the wreck and stabbed her.\nShe's in the hospital with broken bones, a stab wound to the liver, and brain damage. The children were uninjured.",
">\n\nHoly crap I read the headline and thought “yep she’s dead, and those kids are fucked for life” I’m glad only half of this thought is true, although not glad about it happening at all.",
">\n\nShe’s apparently suffered brain damage, so not sure what her QoL will be if she makes it. \nGoddamn this world fucking suuuuuuuuuuucks!!!!!",
">\n\nChill. Stop reading the national news. make your own reality. Set some goals.",
">\n\nThis is good advice, and I am working on it. Thank you. BS like this just pisses me off.",
">\n\nMe too.",
">\n\n“Convinced”???\nDo you mean “CONVICTED”?",
">\n\nYes I did. ConvicTed",
">\n\nPolice will say \"no one saw that coming\". And yet there will likely be multiple police reports, restraining orders, etc. #murderinslowmotion",
">\n\nRemember the courts rules police can watch you being raped in broad daylight while they sit in their cars or get donuts.\nEdit: that’s a made up example but really the cops can practically stand next to your murderer, let the murder happen and the courts will say they had no duty to stop it.",
">\n\nYes, correct. Police officers in New York watched a man being stabbed and stayed safe behind a door until the assailant was subdued by an unarmed civilian. They then stepped in the moment the attacker was disarmed. The Courts found they had no responsibility to protect the innocent person being stabbed by a suspect they were actively pursuing. \nSource",
">\n\nTheres a few more another famous one was Gonzales vs Castle Rock. Woman begged police to enforce an active reatraining order on her. Police didnt help at all. The ex kidnapped murdered their kids. The court said the police never had any duty to help her.\nEdit: I know there are more but that one always stands out.\nThere was also the Parkland shooting cops ran away leaving the kids behind during an active shooter crisis. Courts ruled cops had no duty to help the kids.",
">\n\nIIRC that cop was forcibly reinstated to the force with backpay / pension too.",
">\n\nAs someone that works with a lot of kids with trauma and have been in an abusive marriage.\nYou develop a real set of skills working with trauma clients. You start to understand behaviors that don't make sense to anyone else and it's a way to almost 'justify' their actions. You see the behavior as borne from their abuse and not themselves.\nThis makes it easy to disassociate when they in turn abuse you.\nFor me, it made dealing with the abuse much easier and writing it off to the trauma she has previously experienced.\nIt's a bad mindset and you really need to check yourself in this field as people will use your patience and kindness.",
">\n\nI hope she's able to recover, physically and emotionally. Those poor kids.",
">\n\nThey just witnessed their dad trying to kill their mother. They felt the car strike her. \nUninjured physically sure, but mentally? \nMy brain was messed up for a year when I was 16 and my mom accidentally ran over a squirrel. \nI have no words or idea how many years of therapy this will be for them. Especially if they feel like it is their fault or that they could of done something.",
">\n\nI wouldn't be surprised if they developed a car phobia (is there a specific word for that?). Any bump or weird sound while being driven around could cause a terrifying flashback to that moment of impact.",
">\n\nIf anything, some form of PTSD with triggers like that."
] |
>
I agree with a lot of this, but angry, violent, abusive men has been a tale as old as time. My mom was born in 1952, and has told me stories of how men could beat their wives with impunity, because wives were seen as "less than" her husband and everyone turned a blind eye to it. They could also beat their children with belts and paddles and it was acceptable. They were much more strict with children back in the day, as well. She remembers, from childhood, a female neighbor who had called the police on her husband because he beat her with a shoe. She was bloodied and bruised and the police weren't too helpful.
Women weren't allowed in certain professions, couldn't open their own bank accounts without their husband's permission, weren't really allowed to work much outside the home and were told to stay home and take care of the home and kids. They were smacked around by their husbands, could be groped in the workplace and weren't allowed the many freedoms that men had. It started to change for women for the better in the 70s onward, but we are seeing these rights and progress women have fought for, being stripped away - abortion rights is the big one, but also, men are becoming more violent and upset by women and are fighting to take us down a few notches - like incels and other groups of men who are expecting women to fall back and become the "traditional wives" again.
There's more I want to say, but yeah...the gist of it is there's an uprising of anger towards women right now and it's really showing and hard to ignore at this point.
|
[
"This guy waited in an SUV with his three kids (11, 9, 6) until his wife came outside. He told his children to keep their seatbelts on, then plowed into her, flipping his SUV in the process. He crawled out of the wreck and stabbed her.\nShe's in the hospital with broken bones, a stab wound to the liver, and brain damage. The children were uninjured.",
">\n\nHoly crap I read the headline and thought “yep she’s dead, and those kids are fucked for life” I’m glad only half of this thought is true, although not glad about it happening at all.",
">\n\nShe’s apparently suffered brain damage, so not sure what her QoL will be if she makes it. \nGoddamn this world fucking suuuuuuuuuuucks!!!!!",
">\n\nChill. Stop reading the national news. make your own reality. Set some goals.",
">\n\nThis is good advice, and I am working on it. Thank you. BS like this just pisses me off.",
">\n\nMe too.",
">\n\n“Convinced”???\nDo you mean “CONVICTED”?",
">\n\nYes I did. ConvicTed",
">\n\nPolice will say \"no one saw that coming\". And yet there will likely be multiple police reports, restraining orders, etc. #murderinslowmotion",
">\n\nRemember the courts rules police can watch you being raped in broad daylight while they sit in their cars or get donuts.\nEdit: that’s a made up example but really the cops can practically stand next to your murderer, let the murder happen and the courts will say they had no duty to stop it.",
">\n\nYes, correct. Police officers in New York watched a man being stabbed and stayed safe behind a door until the assailant was subdued by an unarmed civilian. They then stepped in the moment the attacker was disarmed. The Courts found they had no responsibility to protect the innocent person being stabbed by a suspect they were actively pursuing. \nSource",
">\n\nTheres a few more another famous one was Gonzales vs Castle Rock. Woman begged police to enforce an active reatraining order on her. Police didnt help at all. The ex kidnapped murdered their kids. The court said the police never had any duty to help her.\nEdit: I know there are more but that one always stands out.\nThere was also the Parkland shooting cops ran away leaving the kids behind during an active shooter crisis. Courts ruled cops had no duty to help the kids.",
">\n\nIIRC that cop was forcibly reinstated to the force with backpay / pension too.",
">\n\nAs someone that works with a lot of kids with trauma and have been in an abusive marriage.\nYou develop a real set of skills working with trauma clients. You start to understand behaviors that don't make sense to anyone else and it's a way to almost 'justify' their actions. You see the behavior as borne from their abuse and not themselves.\nThis makes it easy to disassociate when they in turn abuse you.\nFor me, it made dealing with the abuse much easier and writing it off to the trauma she has previously experienced.\nIt's a bad mindset and you really need to check yourself in this field as people will use your patience and kindness.",
">\n\nI hope she's able to recover, physically and emotionally. Those poor kids.",
">\n\nThey just witnessed their dad trying to kill their mother. They felt the car strike her. \nUninjured physically sure, but mentally? \nMy brain was messed up for a year when I was 16 and my mom accidentally ran over a squirrel. \nI have no words or idea how many years of therapy this will be for them. Especially if they feel like it is their fault or that they could of done something.",
">\n\nI wouldn't be surprised if they developed a car phobia (is there a specific word for that?). Any bump or weird sound while being driven around could cause a terrifying flashback to that moment of impact.",
">\n\nIf anything, some form of PTSD with triggers like that.",
">\n\nOh my, this is so painful to read. I am saddened this happened to her. I hope she recovers and the innocent children heal as well as they can given all they've endured. This lady had a podcast trying to assist others seeking to move forward healthfully, from the trappings of despair due to trauma and abuse. I hope the estranged husband is handed the maximum penalty for this."
] |
>
Headline is a mess.
Mom violently attacked by estranged husband in front of children.
|
[
"This guy waited in an SUV with his three kids (11, 9, 6) until his wife came outside. He told his children to keep their seatbelts on, then plowed into her, flipping his SUV in the process. He crawled out of the wreck and stabbed her.\nShe's in the hospital with broken bones, a stab wound to the liver, and brain damage. The children were uninjured.",
">\n\nHoly crap I read the headline and thought “yep she’s dead, and those kids are fucked for life” I’m glad only half of this thought is true, although not glad about it happening at all.",
">\n\nShe’s apparently suffered brain damage, so not sure what her QoL will be if she makes it. \nGoddamn this world fucking suuuuuuuuuuucks!!!!!",
">\n\nChill. Stop reading the national news. make your own reality. Set some goals.",
">\n\nThis is good advice, and I am working on it. Thank you. BS like this just pisses me off.",
">\n\nMe too.",
">\n\n“Convinced”???\nDo you mean “CONVICTED”?",
">\n\nYes I did. ConvicTed",
">\n\nPolice will say \"no one saw that coming\". And yet there will likely be multiple police reports, restraining orders, etc. #murderinslowmotion",
">\n\nRemember the courts rules police can watch you being raped in broad daylight while they sit in their cars or get donuts.\nEdit: that’s a made up example but really the cops can practically stand next to your murderer, let the murder happen and the courts will say they had no duty to stop it.",
">\n\nYes, correct. Police officers in New York watched a man being stabbed and stayed safe behind a door until the assailant was subdued by an unarmed civilian. They then stepped in the moment the attacker was disarmed. The Courts found they had no responsibility to protect the innocent person being stabbed by a suspect they were actively pursuing. \nSource",
">\n\nTheres a few more another famous one was Gonzales vs Castle Rock. Woman begged police to enforce an active reatraining order on her. Police didnt help at all. The ex kidnapped murdered their kids. The court said the police never had any duty to help her.\nEdit: I know there are more but that one always stands out.\nThere was also the Parkland shooting cops ran away leaving the kids behind during an active shooter crisis. Courts ruled cops had no duty to help the kids.",
">\n\nIIRC that cop was forcibly reinstated to the force with backpay / pension too.",
">\n\nAs someone that works with a lot of kids with trauma and have been in an abusive marriage.\nYou develop a real set of skills working with trauma clients. You start to understand behaviors that don't make sense to anyone else and it's a way to almost 'justify' their actions. You see the behavior as borne from their abuse and not themselves.\nThis makes it easy to disassociate when they in turn abuse you.\nFor me, it made dealing with the abuse much easier and writing it off to the trauma she has previously experienced.\nIt's a bad mindset and you really need to check yourself in this field as people will use your patience and kindness.",
">\n\nI hope she's able to recover, physically and emotionally. Those poor kids.",
">\n\nThey just witnessed their dad trying to kill their mother. They felt the car strike her. \nUninjured physically sure, but mentally? \nMy brain was messed up for a year when I was 16 and my mom accidentally ran over a squirrel. \nI have no words or idea how many years of therapy this will be for them. Especially if they feel like it is their fault or that they could of done something.",
">\n\nI wouldn't be surprised if they developed a car phobia (is there a specific word for that?). Any bump or weird sound while being driven around could cause a terrifying flashback to that moment of impact.",
">\n\nIf anything, some form of PTSD with triggers like that.",
">\n\nOh my, this is so painful to read. I am saddened this happened to her. I hope she recovers and the innocent children heal as well as they can given all they've endured. This lady had a podcast trying to assist others seeking to move forward healthfully, from the trappings of despair due to trauma and abuse. I hope the estranged husband is handed the maximum penalty for this.",
">\n\nI agree with a lot of this, but angry, violent, abusive men has been a tale as old as time. My mom was born in 1952, and has told me stories of how men could beat their wives with impunity, because wives were seen as \"less than\" her husband and everyone turned a blind eye to it. They could also beat their children with belts and paddles and it was acceptable. They were much more strict with children back in the day, as well. She remembers, from childhood, a female neighbor who had called the police on her husband because he beat her with a shoe. She was bloodied and bruised and the police weren't too helpful. \nWomen weren't allowed in certain professions, couldn't open their own bank accounts without their husband's permission, weren't really allowed to work much outside the home and were told to stay home and take care of the home and kids. They were smacked around by their husbands, could be groped in the workplace and weren't allowed the many freedoms that men had. It started to change for women for the better in the 70s onward, but we are seeing these rights and progress women have fought for, being stripped away - abortion rights is the big one, but also, men are becoming more violent and upset by women and are fighting to take us down a few notches - like incels and other groups of men who are expecting women to fall back and become the \"traditional wives\" again. \nThere's more I want to say, but yeah...the gist of it is there's an uprising of anger towards women right now and it's really showing and hard to ignore at this point."
] |
>
I like how the headline tries to put emphasis on “she was a really really good person compared to you!” Over the fact pretty much no one deserves what happened to her, regardless of occupation.
|
[
"This guy waited in an SUV with his three kids (11, 9, 6) until his wife came outside. He told his children to keep their seatbelts on, then plowed into her, flipping his SUV in the process. He crawled out of the wreck and stabbed her.\nShe's in the hospital with broken bones, a stab wound to the liver, and brain damage. The children were uninjured.",
">\n\nHoly crap I read the headline and thought “yep she’s dead, and those kids are fucked for life” I’m glad only half of this thought is true, although not glad about it happening at all.",
">\n\nShe’s apparently suffered brain damage, so not sure what her QoL will be if she makes it. \nGoddamn this world fucking suuuuuuuuuuucks!!!!!",
">\n\nChill. Stop reading the national news. make your own reality. Set some goals.",
">\n\nThis is good advice, and I am working on it. Thank you. BS like this just pisses me off.",
">\n\nMe too.",
">\n\n“Convinced”???\nDo you mean “CONVICTED”?",
">\n\nYes I did. ConvicTed",
">\n\nPolice will say \"no one saw that coming\". And yet there will likely be multiple police reports, restraining orders, etc. #murderinslowmotion",
">\n\nRemember the courts rules police can watch you being raped in broad daylight while they sit in their cars or get donuts.\nEdit: that’s a made up example but really the cops can practically stand next to your murderer, let the murder happen and the courts will say they had no duty to stop it.",
">\n\nYes, correct. Police officers in New York watched a man being stabbed and stayed safe behind a door until the assailant was subdued by an unarmed civilian. They then stepped in the moment the attacker was disarmed. The Courts found they had no responsibility to protect the innocent person being stabbed by a suspect they were actively pursuing. \nSource",
">\n\nTheres a few more another famous one was Gonzales vs Castle Rock. Woman begged police to enforce an active reatraining order on her. Police didnt help at all. The ex kidnapped murdered their kids. The court said the police never had any duty to help her.\nEdit: I know there are more but that one always stands out.\nThere was also the Parkland shooting cops ran away leaving the kids behind during an active shooter crisis. Courts ruled cops had no duty to help the kids.",
">\n\nIIRC that cop was forcibly reinstated to the force with backpay / pension too.",
">\n\nAs someone that works with a lot of kids with trauma and have been in an abusive marriage.\nYou develop a real set of skills working with trauma clients. You start to understand behaviors that don't make sense to anyone else and it's a way to almost 'justify' their actions. You see the behavior as borne from their abuse and not themselves.\nThis makes it easy to disassociate when they in turn abuse you.\nFor me, it made dealing with the abuse much easier and writing it off to the trauma she has previously experienced.\nIt's a bad mindset and you really need to check yourself in this field as people will use your patience and kindness.",
">\n\nI hope she's able to recover, physically and emotionally. Those poor kids.",
">\n\nThey just witnessed their dad trying to kill their mother. They felt the car strike her. \nUninjured physically sure, but mentally? \nMy brain was messed up for a year when I was 16 and my mom accidentally ran over a squirrel. \nI have no words or idea how many years of therapy this will be for them. Especially if they feel like it is their fault or that they could of done something.",
">\n\nI wouldn't be surprised if they developed a car phobia (is there a specific word for that?). Any bump or weird sound while being driven around could cause a terrifying flashback to that moment of impact.",
">\n\nIf anything, some form of PTSD with triggers like that.",
">\n\nOh my, this is so painful to read. I am saddened this happened to her. I hope she recovers and the innocent children heal as well as they can given all they've endured. This lady had a podcast trying to assist others seeking to move forward healthfully, from the trappings of despair due to trauma and abuse. I hope the estranged husband is handed the maximum penalty for this.",
">\n\nI agree with a lot of this, but angry, violent, abusive men has been a tale as old as time. My mom was born in 1952, and has told me stories of how men could beat their wives with impunity, because wives were seen as \"less than\" her husband and everyone turned a blind eye to it. They could also beat their children with belts and paddles and it was acceptable. They were much more strict with children back in the day, as well. She remembers, from childhood, a female neighbor who had called the police on her husband because he beat her with a shoe. She was bloodied and bruised and the police weren't too helpful. \nWomen weren't allowed in certain professions, couldn't open their own bank accounts without their husband's permission, weren't really allowed to work much outside the home and were told to stay home and take care of the home and kids. They were smacked around by their husbands, could be groped in the workplace and weren't allowed the many freedoms that men had. It started to change for women for the better in the 70s onward, but we are seeing these rights and progress women have fought for, being stripped away - abortion rights is the big one, but also, men are becoming more violent and upset by women and are fighting to take us down a few notches - like incels and other groups of men who are expecting women to fall back and become the \"traditional wives\" again. \nThere's more I want to say, but yeah...the gist of it is there's an uprising of anger towards women right now and it's really showing and hard to ignore at this point.",
">\n\nHeadline is a mess.\nMom violently attacked by estranged husband in front of children."
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>
The news doesn't exist to inform. It exists to sell itself. The more emotion they can evoke the better for sales
|
[
"This guy waited in an SUV with his three kids (11, 9, 6) until his wife came outside. He told his children to keep their seatbelts on, then plowed into her, flipping his SUV in the process. He crawled out of the wreck and stabbed her.\nShe's in the hospital with broken bones, a stab wound to the liver, and brain damage. The children were uninjured.",
">\n\nHoly crap I read the headline and thought “yep she’s dead, and those kids are fucked for life” I’m glad only half of this thought is true, although not glad about it happening at all.",
">\n\nShe’s apparently suffered brain damage, so not sure what her QoL will be if she makes it. \nGoddamn this world fucking suuuuuuuuuuucks!!!!!",
">\n\nChill. Stop reading the national news. make your own reality. Set some goals.",
">\n\nThis is good advice, and I am working on it. Thank you. BS like this just pisses me off.",
">\n\nMe too.",
">\n\n“Convinced”???\nDo you mean “CONVICTED”?",
">\n\nYes I did. ConvicTed",
">\n\nPolice will say \"no one saw that coming\". And yet there will likely be multiple police reports, restraining orders, etc. #murderinslowmotion",
">\n\nRemember the courts rules police can watch you being raped in broad daylight while they sit in their cars or get donuts.\nEdit: that’s a made up example but really the cops can practically stand next to your murderer, let the murder happen and the courts will say they had no duty to stop it.",
">\n\nYes, correct. Police officers in New York watched a man being stabbed and stayed safe behind a door until the assailant was subdued by an unarmed civilian. They then stepped in the moment the attacker was disarmed. The Courts found they had no responsibility to protect the innocent person being stabbed by a suspect they were actively pursuing. \nSource",
">\n\nTheres a few more another famous one was Gonzales vs Castle Rock. Woman begged police to enforce an active reatraining order on her. Police didnt help at all. The ex kidnapped murdered their kids. The court said the police never had any duty to help her.\nEdit: I know there are more but that one always stands out.\nThere was also the Parkland shooting cops ran away leaving the kids behind during an active shooter crisis. Courts ruled cops had no duty to help the kids.",
">\n\nIIRC that cop was forcibly reinstated to the force with backpay / pension too.",
">\n\nAs someone that works with a lot of kids with trauma and have been in an abusive marriage.\nYou develop a real set of skills working with trauma clients. You start to understand behaviors that don't make sense to anyone else and it's a way to almost 'justify' their actions. You see the behavior as borne from their abuse and not themselves.\nThis makes it easy to disassociate when they in turn abuse you.\nFor me, it made dealing with the abuse much easier and writing it off to the trauma she has previously experienced.\nIt's a bad mindset and you really need to check yourself in this field as people will use your patience and kindness.",
">\n\nI hope she's able to recover, physically and emotionally. Those poor kids.",
">\n\nThey just witnessed their dad trying to kill their mother. They felt the car strike her. \nUninjured physically sure, but mentally? \nMy brain was messed up for a year when I was 16 and my mom accidentally ran over a squirrel. \nI have no words or idea how many years of therapy this will be for them. Especially if they feel like it is their fault or that they could of done something.",
">\n\nI wouldn't be surprised if they developed a car phobia (is there a specific word for that?). Any bump or weird sound while being driven around could cause a terrifying flashback to that moment of impact.",
">\n\nIf anything, some form of PTSD with triggers like that.",
">\n\nOh my, this is so painful to read. I am saddened this happened to her. I hope she recovers and the innocent children heal as well as they can given all they've endured. This lady had a podcast trying to assist others seeking to move forward healthfully, from the trappings of despair due to trauma and abuse. I hope the estranged husband is handed the maximum penalty for this.",
">\n\nI agree with a lot of this, but angry, violent, abusive men has been a tale as old as time. My mom was born in 1952, and has told me stories of how men could beat their wives with impunity, because wives were seen as \"less than\" her husband and everyone turned a blind eye to it. They could also beat their children with belts and paddles and it was acceptable. They were much more strict with children back in the day, as well. She remembers, from childhood, a female neighbor who had called the police on her husband because he beat her with a shoe. She was bloodied and bruised and the police weren't too helpful. \nWomen weren't allowed in certain professions, couldn't open their own bank accounts without their husband's permission, weren't really allowed to work much outside the home and were told to stay home and take care of the home and kids. They were smacked around by their husbands, could be groped in the workplace and weren't allowed the many freedoms that men had. It started to change for women for the better in the 70s onward, but we are seeing these rights and progress women have fought for, being stripped away - abortion rights is the big one, but also, men are becoming more violent and upset by women and are fighting to take us down a few notches - like incels and other groups of men who are expecting women to fall back and become the \"traditional wives\" again. \nThere's more I want to say, but yeah...the gist of it is there's an uprising of anger towards women right now and it's really showing and hard to ignore at this point.",
">\n\nHeadline is a mess.\nMom violently attacked by estranged husband in front of children.",
">\n\nI like how the headline tries to put emphasis on “she was a really really good person compared to you!” Over the fact pretty much no one deserves what happened to her, regardless of occupation."
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Sadly true. Guess I find their manipulation tactics more interesting than the “news” part itself. Because they deal more in emotion & clickbait than informing facts.
|
[
"This guy waited in an SUV with his three kids (11, 9, 6) until his wife came outside. He told his children to keep their seatbelts on, then plowed into her, flipping his SUV in the process. He crawled out of the wreck and stabbed her.\nShe's in the hospital with broken bones, a stab wound to the liver, and brain damage. The children were uninjured.",
">\n\nHoly crap I read the headline and thought “yep she’s dead, and those kids are fucked for life” I’m glad only half of this thought is true, although not glad about it happening at all.",
">\n\nShe’s apparently suffered brain damage, so not sure what her QoL will be if she makes it. \nGoddamn this world fucking suuuuuuuuuuucks!!!!!",
">\n\nChill. Stop reading the national news. make your own reality. Set some goals.",
">\n\nThis is good advice, and I am working on it. Thank you. BS like this just pisses me off.",
">\n\nMe too.",
">\n\n“Convinced”???\nDo you mean “CONVICTED”?",
">\n\nYes I did. ConvicTed",
">\n\nPolice will say \"no one saw that coming\". And yet there will likely be multiple police reports, restraining orders, etc. #murderinslowmotion",
">\n\nRemember the courts rules police can watch you being raped in broad daylight while they sit in their cars or get donuts.\nEdit: that’s a made up example but really the cops can practically stand next to your murderer, let the murder happen and the courts will say they had no duty to stop it.",
">\n\nYes, correct. Police officers in New York watched a man being stabbed and stayed safe behind a door until the assailant was subdued by an unarmed civilian. They then stepped in the moment the attacker was disarmed. The Courts found they had no responsibility to protect the innocent person being stabbed by a suspect they were actively pursuing. \nSource",
">\n\nTheres a few more another famous one was Gonzales vs Castle Rock. Woman begged police to enforce an active reatraining order on her. Police didnt help at all. The ex kidnapped murdered their kids. The court said the police never had any duty to help her.\nEdit: I know there are more but that one always stands out.\nThere was also the Parkland shooting cops ran away leaving the kids behind during an active shooter crisis. Courts ruled cops had no duty to help the kids.",
">\n\nIIRC that cop was forcibly reinstated to the force with backpay / pension too.",
">\n\nAs someone that works with a lot of kids with trauma and have been in an abusive marriage.\nYou develop a real set of skills working with trauma clients. You start to understand behaviors that don't make sense to anyone else and it's a way to almost 'justify' their actions. You see the behavior as borne from their abuse and not themselves.\nThis makes it easy to disassociate when they in turn abuse you.\nFor me, it made dealing with the abuse much easier and writing it off to the trauma she has previously experienced.\nIt's a bad mindset and you really need to check yourself in this field as people will use your patience and kindness.",
">\n\nI hope she's able to recover, physically and emotionally. Those poor kids.",
">\n\nThey just witnessed their dad trying to kill their mother. They felt the car strike her. \nUninjured physically sure, but mentally? \nMy brain was messed up for a year when I was 16 and my mom accidentally ran over a squirrel. \nI have no words or idea how many years of therapy this will be for them. Especially if they feel like it is their fault or that they could of done something.",
">\n\nI wouldn't be surprised if they developed a car phobia (is there a specific word for that?). Any bump or weird sound while being driven around could cause a terrifying flashback to that moment of impact.",
">\n\nIf anything, some form of PTSD with triggers like that.",
">\n\nOh my, this is so painful to read. I am saddened this happened to her. I hope she recovers and the innocent children heal as well as they can given all they've endured. This lady had a podcast trying to assist others seeking to move forward healthfully, from the trappings of despair due to trauma and abuse. I hope the estranged husband is handed the maximum penalty for this.",
">\n\nI agree with a lot of this, but angry, violent, abusive men has been a tale as old as time. My mom was born in 1952, and has told me stories of how men could beat their wives with impunity, because wives were seen as \"less than\" her husband and everyone turned a blind eye to it. They could also beat their children with belts and paddles and it was acceptable. They were much more strict with children back in the day, as well. She remembers, from childhood, a female neighbor who had called the police on her husband because he beat her with a shoe. She was bloodied and bruised and the police weren't too helpful. \nWomen weren't allowed in certain professions, couldn't open their own bank accounts without their husband's permission, weren't really allowed to work much outside the home and were told to stay home and take care of the home and kids. They were smacked around by their husbands, could be groped in the workplace and weren't allowed the many freedoms that men had. It started to change for women for the better in the 70s onward, but we are seeing these rights and progress women have fought for, being stripped away - abortion rights is the big one, but also, men are becoming more violent and upset by women and are fighting to take us down a few notches - like incels and other groups of men who are expecting women to fall back and become the \"traditional wives\" again. \nThere's more I want to say, but yeah...the gist of it is there's an uprising of anger towards women right now and it's really showing and hard to ignore at this point.",
">\n\nHeadline is a mess.\nMom violently attacked by estranged husband in front of children.",
">\n\nI like how the headline tries to put emphasis on “she was a really really good person compared to you!” Over the fact pretty much no one deserves what happened to her, regardless of occupation.",
">\n\nThe news doesn't exist to inform. It exists to sell itself. The more emotion they can evoke the better for sales"
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50 bucks says he's one of those cc bros who, you know, carry "only for self defense bc you never know".
|
[
"This guy waited in an SUV with his three kids (11, 9, 6) until his wife came outside. He told his children to keep their seatbelts on, then plowed into her, flipping his SUV in the process. He crawled out of the wreck and stabbed her.\nShe's in the hospital with broken bones, a stab wound to the liver, and brain damage. The children were uninjured.",
">\n\nHoly crap I read the headline and thought “yep she’s dead, and those kids are fucked for life” I’m glad only half of this thought is true, although not glad about it happening at all.",
">\n\nShe’s apparently suffered brain damage, so not sure what her QoL will be if she makes it. \nGoddamn this world fucking suuuuuuuuuuucks!!!!!",
">\n\nChill. Stop reading the national news. make your own reality. Set some goals.",
">\n\nThis is good advice, and I am working on it. Thank you. BS like this just pisses me off.",
">\n\nMe too.",
">\n\n“Convinced”???\nDo you mean “CONVICTED”?",
">\n\nYes I did. ConvicTed",
">\n\nPolice will say \"no one saw that coming\". And yet there will likely be multiple police reports, restraining orders, etc. #murderinslowmotion",
">\n\nRemember the courts rules police can watch you being raped in broad daylight while they sit in their cars or get donuts.\nEdit: that’s a made up example but really the cops can practically stand next to your murderer, let the murder happen and the courts will say they had no duty to stop it.",
">\n\nYes, correct. Police officers in New York watched a man being stabbed and stayed safe behind a door until the assailant was subdued by an unarmed civilian. They then stepped in the moment the attacker was disarmed. The Courts found they had no responsibility to protect the innocent person being stabbed by a suspect they were actively pursuing. \nSource",
">\n\nTheres a few more another famous one was Gonzales vs Castle Rock. Woman begged police to enforce an active reatraining order on her. Police didnt help at all. The ex kidnapped murdered their kids. The court said the police never had any duty to help her.\nEdit: I know there are more but that one always stands out.\nThere was also the Parkland shooting cops ran away leaving the kids behind during an active shooter crisis. Courts ruled cops had no duty to help the kids.",
">\n\nIIRC that cop was forcibly reinstated to the force with backpay / pension too.",
">\n\nAs someone that works with a lot of kids with trauma and have been in an abusive marriage.\nYou develop a real set of skills working with trauma clients. You start to understand behaviors that don't make sense to anyone else and it's a way to almost 'justify' their actions. You see the behavior as borne from their abuse and not themselves.\nThis makes it easy to disassociate when they in turn abuse you.\nFor me, it made dealing with the abuse much easier and writing it off to the trauma she has previously experienced.\nIt's a bad mindset and you really need to check yourself in this field as people will use your patience and kindness.",
">\n\nI hope she's able to recover, physically and emotionally. Those poor kids.",
">\n\nThey just witnessed their dad trying to kill their mother. They felt the car strike her. \nUninjured physically sure, but mentally? \nMy brain was messed up for a year when I was 16 and my mom accidentally ran over a squirrel. \nI have no words or idea how many years of therapy this will be for them. Especially if they feel like it is their fault or that they could of done something.",
">\n\nI wouldn't be surprised if they developed a car phobia (is there a specific word for that?). Any bump or weird sound while being driven around could cause a terrifying flashback to that moment of impact.",
">\n\nIf anything, some form of PTSD with triggers like that.",
">\n\nOh my, this is so painful to read. I am saddened this happened to her. I hope she recovers and the innocent children heal as well as they can given all they've endured. This lady had a podcast trying to assist others seeking to move forward healthfully, from the trappings of despair due to trauma and abuse. I hope the estranged husband is handed the maximum penalty for this.",
">\n\nI agree with a lot of this, but angry, violent, abusive men has been a tale as old as time. My mom was born in 1952, and has told me stories of how men could beat their wives with impunity, because wives were seen as \"less than\" her husband and everyone turned a blind eye to it. They could also beat their children with belts and paddles and it was acceptable. They were much more strict with children back in the day, as well. She remembers, from childhood, a female neighbor who had called the police on her husband because he beat her with a shoe. She was bloodied and bruised and the police weren't too helpful. \nWomen weren't allowed in certain professions, couldn't open their own bank accounts without their husband's permission, weren't really allowed to work much outside the home and were told to stay home and take care of the home and kids. They were smacked around by their husbands, could be groped in the workplace and weren't allowed the many freedoms that men had. It started to change for women for the better in the 70s onward, but we are seeing these rights and progress women have fought for, being stripped away - abortion rights is the big one, but also, men are becoming more violent and upset by women and are fighting to take us down a few notches - like incels and other groups of men who are expecting women to fall back and become the \"traditional wives\" again. \nThere's more I want to say, but yeah...the gist of it is there's an uprising of anger towards women right now and it's really showing and hard to ignore at this point.",
">\n\nHeadline is a mess.\nMom violently attacked by estranged husband in front of children.",
">\n\nI like how the headline tries to put emphasis on “she was a really really good person compared to you!” Over the fact pretty much no one deserves what happened to her, regardless of occupation.",
">\n\nThe news doesn't exist to inform. It exists to sell itself. The more emotion they can evoke the better for sales",
">\n\nSadly true. Guess I find their manipulation tactics more interesting than the “news” part itself. Because they deal more in emotion & clickbait than informing facts."
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As evidenced by him not using a gun? Good lord
|
[
"This guy waited in an SUV with his three kids (11, 9, 6) until his wife came outside. He told his children to keep their seatbelts on, then plowed into her, flipping his SUV in the process. He crawled out of the wreck and stabbed her.\nShe's in the hospital with broken bones, a stab wound to the liver, and brain damage. The children were uninjured.",
">\n\nHoly crap I read the headline and thought “yep she’s dead, and those kids are fucked for life” I’m glad only half of this thought is true, although not glad about it happening at all.",
">\n\nShe’s apparently suffered brain damage, so not sure what her QoL will be if she makes it. \nGoddamn this world fucking suuuuuuuuuuucks!!!!!",
">\n\nChill. Stop reading the national news. make your own reality. Set some goals.",
">\n\nThis is good advice, and I am working on it. Thank you. BS like this just pisses me off.",
">\n\nMe too.",
">\n\n“Convinced”???\nDo you mean “CONVICTED”?",
">\n\nYes I did. ConvicTed",
">\n\nPolice will say \"no one saw that coming\". And yet there will likely be multiple police reports, restraining orders, etc. #murderinslowmotion",
">\n\nRemember the courts rules police can watch you being raped in broad daylight while they sit in their cars or get donuts.\nEdit: that’s a made up example but really the cops can practically stand next to your murderer, let the murder happen and the courts will say they had no duty to stop it.",
">\n\nYes, correct. Police officers in New York watched a man being stabbed and stayed safe behind a door until the assailant was subdued by an unarmed civilian. They then stepped in the moment the attacker was disarmed. The Courts found they had no responsibility to protect the innocent person being stabbed by a suspect they were actively pursuing. \nSource",
">\n\nTheres a few more another famous one was Gonzales vs Castle Rock. Woman begged police to enforce an active reatraining order on her. Police didnt help at all. The ex kidnapped murdered their kids. The court said the police never had any duty to help her.\nEdit: I know there are more but that one always stands out.\nThere was also the Parkland shooting cops ran away leaving the kids behind during an active shooter crisis. Courts ruled cops had no duty to help the kids.",
">\n\nIIRC that cop was forcibly reinstated to the force with backpay / pension too.",
">\n\nAs someone that works with a lot of kids with trauma and have been in an abusive marriage.\nYou develop a real set of skills working with trauma clients. You start to understand behaviors that don't make sense to anyone else and it's a way to almost 'justify' their actions. You see the behavior as borne from their abuse and not themselves.\nThis makes it easy to disassociate when they in turn abuse you.\nFor me, it made dealing with the abuse much easier and writing it off to the trauma she has previously experienced.\nIt's a bad mindset and you really need to check yourself in this field as people will use your patience and kindness.",
">\n\nI hope she's able to recover, physically and emotionally. Those poor kids.",
">\n\nThey just witnessed their dad trying to kill their mother. They felt the car strike her. \nUninjured physically sure, but mentally? \nMy brain was messed up for a year when I was 16 and my mom accidentally ran over a squirrel. \nI have no words or idea how many years of therapy this will be for them. Especially if they feel like it is their fault or that they could of done something.",
">\n\nI wouldn't be surprised if they developed a car phobia (is there a specific word for that?). Any bump or weird sound while being driven around could cause a terrifying flashback to that moment of impact.",
">\n\nIf anything, some form of PTSD with triggers like that.",
">\n\nOh my, this is so painful to read. I am saddened this happened to her. I hope she recovers and the innocent children heal as well as they can given all they've endured. This lady had a podcast trying to assist others seeking to move forward healthfully, from the trappings of despair due to trauma and abuse. I hope the estranged husband is handed the maximum penalty for this.",
">\n\nI agree with a lot of this, but angry, violent, abusive men has been a tale as old as time. My mom was born in 1952, and has told me stories of how men could beat their wives with impunity, because wives were seen as \"less than\" her husband and everyone turned a blind eye to it. They could also beat their children with belts and paddles and it was acceptable. They were much more strict with children back in the day, as well. She remembers, from childhood, a female neighbor who had called the police on her husband because he beat her with a shoe. She was bloodied and bruised and the police weren't too helpful. \nWomen weren't allowed in certain professions, couldn't open their own bank accounts without their husband's permission, weren't really allowed to work much outside the home and were told to stay home and take care of the home and kids. They were smacked around by their husbands, could be groped in the workplace and weren't allowed the many freedoms that men had. It started to change for women for the better in the 70s onward, but we are seeing these rights and progress women have fought for, being stripped away - abortion rights is the big one, but also, men are becoming more violent and upset by women and are fighting to take us down a few notches - like incels and other groups of men who are expecting women to fall back and become the \"traditional wives\" again. \nThere's more I want to say, but yeah...the gist of it is there's an uprising of anger towards women right now and it's really showing and hard to ignore at this point.",
">\n\nHeadline is a mess.\nMom violently attacked by estranged husband in front of children.",
">\n\nI like how the headline tries to put emphasis on “she was a really really good person compared to you!” Over the fact pretty much no one deserves what happened to her, regardless of occupation.",
">\n\nThe news doesn't exist to inform. It exists to sell itself. The more emotion they can evoke the better for sales",
">\n\nSadly true. Guess I find their manipulation tactics more interesting than the “news” part itself. Because they deal more in emotion & clickbait than informing facts.",
">\n\n50 bucks says he's one of those cc bros who, you know, carry \"only for self defense bc you never know\"."
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Gun Bros are so sensitive while claiming to be upstanding citizens
|
[
"This guy waited in an SUV with his three kids (11, 9, 6) until his wife came outside. He told his children to keep their seatbelts on, then plowed into her, flipping his SUV in the process. He crawled out of the wreck and stabbed her.\nShe's in the hospital with broken bones, a stab wound to the liver, and brain damage. The children were uninjured.",
">\n\nHoly crap I read the headline and thought “yep she’s dead, and those kids are fucked for life” I’m glad only half of this thought is true, although not glad about it happening at all.",
">\n\nShe’s apparently suffered brain damage, so not sure what her QoL will be if she makes it. \nGoddamn this world fucking suuuuuuuuuuucks!!!!!",
">\n\nChill. Stop reading the national news. make your own reality. Set some goals.",
">\n\nThis is good advice, and I am working on it. Thank you. BS like this just pisses me off.",
">\n\nMe too.",
">\n\n“Convinced”???\nDo you mean “CONVICTED”?",
">\n\nYes I did. ConvicTed",
">\n\nPolice will say \"no one saw that coming\". And yet there will likely be multiple police reports, restraining orders, etc. #murderinslowmotion",
">\n\nRemember the courts rules police can watch you being raped in broad daylight while they sit in their cars or get donuts.\nEdit: that’s a made up example but really the cops can practically stand next to your murderer, let the murder happen and the courts will say they had no duty to stop it.",
">\n\nYes, correct. Police officers in New York watched a man being stabbed and stayed safe behind a door until the assailant was subdued by an unarmed civilian. They then stepped in the moment the attacker was disarmed. The Courts found they had no responsibility to protect the innocent person being stabbed by a suspect they were actively pursuing. \nSource",
">\n\nTheres a few more another famous one was Gonzales vs Castle Rock. Woman begged police to enforce an active reatraining order on her. Police didnt help at all. The ex kidnapped murdered their kids. The court said the police never had any duty to help her.\nEdit: I know there are more but that one always stands out.\nThere was also the Parkland shooting cops ran away leaving the kids behind during an active shooter crisis. Courts ruled cops had no duty to help the kids.",
">\n\nIIRC that cop was forcibly reinstated to the force with backpay / pension too.",
">\n\nAs someone that works with a lot of kids with trauma and have been in an abusive marriage.\nYou develop a real set of skills working with trauma clients. You start to understand behaviors that don't make sense to anyone else and it's a way to almost 'justify' their actions. You see the behavior as borne from their abuse and not themselves.\nThis makes it easy to disassociate when they in turn abuse you.\nFor me, it made dealing with the abuse much easier and writing it off to the trauma she has previously experienced.\nIt's a bad mindset and you really need to check yourself in this field as people will use your patience and kindness.",
">\n\nI hope she's able to recover, physically and emotionally. Those poor kids.",
">\n\nThey just witnessed their dad trying to kill their mother. They felt the car strike her. \nUninjured physically sure, but mentally? \nMy brain was messed up for a year when I was 16 and my mom accidentally ran over a squirrel. \nI have no words or idea how many years of therapy this will be for them. Especially if they feel like it is their fault or that they could of done something.",
">\n\nI wouldn't be surprised if they developed a car phobia (is there a specific word for that?). Any bump or weird sound while being driven around could cause a terrifying flashback to that moment of impact.",
">\n\nIf anything, some form of PTSD with triggers like that.",
">\n\nOh my, this is so painful to read. I am saddened this happened to her. I hope she recovers and the innocent children heal as well as they can given all they've endured. This lady had a podcast trying to assist others seeking to move forward healthfully, from the trappings of despair due to trauma and abuse. I hope the estranged husband is handed the maximum penalty for this.",
">\n\nI agree with a lot of this, but angry, violent, abusive men has been a tale as old as time. My mom was born in 1952, and has told me stories of how men could beat their wives with impunity, because wives were seen as \"less than\" her husband and everyone turned a blind eye to it. They could also beat their children with belts and paddles and it was acceptable. They were much more strict with children back in the day, as well. She remembers, from childhood, a female neighbor who had called the police on her husband because he beat her with a shoe. She was bloodied and bruised and the police weren't too helpful. \nWomen weren't allowed in certain professions, couldn't open their own bank accounts without their husband's permission, weren't really allowed to work much outside the home and were told to stay home and take care of the home and kids. They were smacked around by their husbands, could be groped in the workplace and weren't allowed the many freedoms that men had. It started to change for women for the better in the 70s onward, but we are seeing these rights and progress women have fought for, being stripped away - abortion rights is the big one, but also, men are becoming more violent and upset by women and are fighting to take us down a few notches - like incels and other groups of men who are expecting women to fall back and become the \"traditional wives\" again. \nThere's more I want to say, but yeah...the gist of it is there's an uprising of anger towards women right now and it's really showing and hard to ignore at this point.",
">\n\nHeadline is a mess.\nMom violently attacked by estranged husband in front of children.",
">\n\nI like how the headline tries to put emphasis on “she was a really really good person compared to you!” Over the fact pretty much no one deserves what happened to her, regardless of occupation.",
">\n\nThe news doesn't exist to inform. It exists to sell itself. The more emotion they can evoke the better for sales",
">\n\nSadly true. Guess I find their manipulation tactics more interesting than the “news” part itself. Because they deal more in emotion & clickbait than informing facts.",
">\n\n50 bucks says he's one of those cc bros who, you know, carry \"only for self defense bc you never know\".",
">\n\nAs evidenced by him not using a gun? Good lord"
] |
>
That's neat. Where's the gun bro in this story about a stabbing?
|
[
"This guy waited in an SUV with his three kids (11, 9, 6) until his wife came outside. He told his children to keep their seatbelts on, then plowed into her, flipping his SUV in the process. He crawled out of the wreck and stabbed her.\nShe's in the hospital with broken bones, a stab wound to the liver, and brain damage. The children were uninjured.",
">\n\nHoly crap I read the headline and thought “yep she’s dead, and those kids are fucked for life” I’m glad only half of this thought is true, although not glad about it happening at all.",
">\n\nShe’s apparently suffered brain damage, so not sure what her QoL will be if she makes it. \nGoddamn this world fucking suuuuuuuuuuucks!!!!!",
">\n\nChill. Stop reading the national news. make your own reality. Set some goals.",
">\n\nThis is good advice, and I am working on it. Thank you. BS like this just pisses me off.",
">\n\nMe too.",
">\n\n“Convinced”???\nDo you mean “CONVICTED”?",
">\n\nYes I did. ConvicTed",
">\n\nPolice will say \"no one saw that coming\". And yet there will likely be multiple police reports, restraining orders, etc. #murderinslowmotion",
">\n\nRemember the courts rules police can watch you being raped in broad daylight while they sit in their cars or get donuts.\nEdit: that’s a made up example but really the cops can practically stand next to your murderer, let the murder happen and the courts will say they had no duty to stop it.",
">\n\nYes, correct. Police officers in New York watched a man being stabbed and stayed safe behind a door until the assailant was subdued by an unarmed civilian. They then stepped in the moment the attacker was disarmed. The Courts found they had no responsibility to protect the innocent person being stabbed by a suspect they were actively pursuing. \nSource",
">\n\nTheres a few more another famous one was Gonzales vs Castle Rock. Woman begged police to enforce an active reatraining order on her. Police didnt help at all. The ex kidnapped murdered their kids. The court said the police never had any duty to help her.\nEdit: I know there are more but that one always stands out.\nThere was also the Parkland shooting cops ran away leaving the kids behind during an active shooter crisis. Courts ruled cops had no duty to help the kids.",
">\n\nIIRC that cop was forcibly reinstated to the force with backpay / pension too.",
">\n\nAs someone that works with a lot of kids with trauma and have been in an abusive marriage.\nYou develop a real set of skills working with trauma clients. You start to understand behaviors that don't make sense to anyone else and it's a way to almost 'justify' their actions. You see the behavior as borne from their abuse and not themselves.\nThis makes it easy to disassociate when they in turn abuse you.\nFor me, it made dealing with the abuse much easier and writing it off to the trauma she has previously experienced.\nIt's a bad mindset and you really need to check yourself in this field as people will use your patience and kindness.",
">\n\nI hope she's able to recover, physically and emotionally. Those poor kids.",
">\n\nThey just witnessed their dad trying to kill their mother. They felt the car strike her. \nUninjured physically sure, but mentally? \nMy brain was messed up for a year when I was 16 and my mom accidentally ran over a squirrel. \nI have no words or idea how many years of therapy this will be for them. Especially if they feel like it is their fault or that they could of done something.",
">\n\nI wouldn't be surprised if they developed a car phobia (is there a specific word for that?). Any bump or weird sound while being driven around could cause a terrifying flashback to that moment of impact.",
">\n\nIf anything, some form of PTSD with triggers like that.",
">\n\nOh my, this is so painful to read. I am saddened this happened to her. I hope she recovers and the innocent children heal as well as they can given all they've endured. This lady had a podcast trying to assist others seeking to move forward healthfully, from the trappings of despair due to trauma and abuse. I hope the estranged husband is handed the maximum penalty for this.",
">\n\nI agree with a lot of this, but angry, violent, abusive men has been a tale as old as time. My mom was born in 1952, and has told me stories of how men could beat their wives with impunity, because wives were seen as \"less than\" her husband and everyone turned a blind eye to it. They could also beat their children with belts and paddles and it was acceptable. They were much more strict with children back in the day, as well. She remembers, from childhood, a female neighbor who had called the police on her husband because he beat her with a shoe. She was bloodied and bruised and the police weren't too helpful. \nWomen weren't allowed in certain professions, couldn't open their own bank accounts without their husband's permission, weren't really allowed to work much outside the home and were told to stay home and take care of the home and kids. They were smacked around by their husbands, could be groped in the workplace and weren't allowed the many freedoms that men had. It started to change for women for the better in the 70s onward, but we are seeing these rights and progress women have fought for, being stripped away - abortion rights is the big one, but also, men are becoming more violent and upset by women and are fighting to take us down a few notches - like incels and other groups of men who are expecting women to fall back and become the \"traditional wives\" again. \nThere's more I want to say, but yeah...the gist of it is there's an uprising of anger towards women right now and it's really showing and hard to ignore at this point.",
">\n\nHeadline is a mess.\nMom violently attacked by estranged husband in front of children.",
">\n\nI like how the headline tries to put emphasis on “she was a really really good person compared to you!” Over the fact pretty much no one deserves what happened to her, regardless of occupation.",
">\n\nThe news doesn't exist to inform. It exists to sell itself. The more emotion they can evoke the better for sales",
">\n\nSadly true. Guess I find their manipulation tactics more interesting than the “news” part itself. Because they deal more in emotion & clickbait than informing facts.",
">\n\n50 bucks says he's one of those cc bros who, you know, carry \"only for self defense bc you never know\".",
">\n\nAs evidenced by him not using a gun? Good lord",
">\n\nGun Bros are so sensitive while claiming to be upstanding citizens"
] |
>
He's there.
|
[
"This guy waited in an SUV with his three kids (11, 9, 6) until his wife came outside. He told his children to keep their seatbelts on, then plowed into her, flipping his SUV in the process. He crawled out of the wreck and stabbed her.\nShe's in the hospital with broken bones, a stab wound to the liver, and brain damage. The children were uninjured.",
">\n\nHoly crap I read the headline and thought “yep she’s dead, and those kids are fucked for life” I’m glad only half of this thought is true, although not glad about it happening at all.",
">\n\nShe’s apparently suffered brain damage, so not sure what her QoL will be if she makes it. \nGoddamn this world fucking suuuuuuuuuuucks!!!!!",
">\n\nChill. Stop reading the national news. make your own reality. Set some goals.",
">\n\nThis is good advice, and I am working on it. Thank you. BS like this just pisses me off.",
">\n\nMe too.",
">\n\n“Convinced”???\nDo you mean “CONVICTED”?",
">\n\nYes I did. ConvicTed",
">\n\nPolice will say \"no one saw that coming\". And yet there will likely be multiple police reports, restraining orders, etc. #murderinslowmotion",
">\n\nRemember the courts rules police can watch you being raped in broad daylight while they sit in their cars or get donuts.\nEdit: that’s a made up example but really the cops can practically stand next to your murderer, let the murder happen and the courts will say they had no duty to stop it.",
">\n\nYes, correct. Police officers in New York watched a man being stabbed and stayed safe behind a door until the assailant was subdued by an unarmed civilian. They then stepped in the moment the attacker was disarmed. The Courts found they had no responsibility to protect the innocent person being stabbed by a suspect they were actively pursuing. \nSource",
">\n\nTheres a few more another famous one was Gonzales vs Castle Rock. Woman begged police to enforce an active reatraining order on her. Police didnt help at all. The ex kidnapped murdered their kids. The court said the police never had any duty to help her.\nEdit: I know there are more but that one always stands out.\nThere was also the Parkland shooting cops ran away leaving the kids behind during an active shooter crisis. Courts ruled cops had no duty to help the kids.",
">\n\nIIRC that cop was forcibly reinstated to the force with backpay / pension too.",
">\n\nAs someone that works with a lot of kids with trauma and have been in an abusive marriage.\nYou develop a real set of skills working with trauma clients. You start to understand behaviors that don't make sense to anyone else and it's a way to almost 'justify' their actions. You see the behavior as borne from their abuse and not themselves.\nThis makes it easy to disassociate when they in turn abuse you.\nFor me, it made dealing with the abuse much easier and writing it off to the trauma she has previously experienced.\nIt's a bad mindset and you really need to check yourself in this field as people will use your patience and kindness.",
">\n\nI hope she's able to recover, physically and emotionally. Those poor kids.",
">\n\nThey just witnessed their dad trying to kill their mother. They felt the car strike her. \nUninjured physically sure, but mentally? \nMy brain was messed up for a year when I was 16 and my mom accidentally ran over a squirrel. \nI have no words or idea how many years of therapy this will be for them. Especially if they feel like it is their fault or that they could of done something.",
">\n\nI wouldn't be surprised if they developed a car phobia (is there a specific word for that?). Any bump or weird sound while being driven around could cause a terrifying flashback to that moment of impact.",
">\n\nIf anything, some form of PTSD with triggers like that.",
">\n\nOh my, this is so painful to read. I am saddened this happened to her. I hope she recovers and the innocent children heal as well as they can given all they've endured. This lady had a podcast trying to assist others seeking to move forward healthfully, from the trappings of despair due to trauma and abuse. I hope the estranged husband is handed the maximum penalty for this.",
">\n\nI agree with a lot of this, but angry, violent, abusive men has been a tale as old as time. My mom was born in 1952, and has told me stories of how men could beat their wives with impunity, because wives were seen as \"less than\" her husband and everyone turned a blind eye to it. They could also beat their children with belts and paddles and it was acceptable. They were much more strict with children back in the day, as well. She remembers, from childhood, a female neighbor who had called the police on her husband because he beat her with a shoe. She was bloodied and bruised and the police weren't too helpful. \nWomen weren't allowed in certain professions, couldn't open their own bank accounts without their husband's permission, weren't really allowed to work much outside the home and were told to stay home and take care of the home and kids. They were smacked around by their husbands, could be groped in the workplace and weren't allowed the many freedoms that men had. It started to change for women for the better in the 70s onward, but we are seeing these rights and progress women have fought for, being stripped away - abortion rights is the big one, but also, men are becoming more violent and upset by women and are fighting to take us down a few notches - like incels and other groups of men who are expecting women to fall back and become the \"traditional wives\" again. \nThere's more I want to say, but yeah...the gist of it is there's an uprising of anger towards women right now and it's really showing and hard to ignore at this point.",
">\n\nHeadline is a mess.\nMom violently attacked by estranged husband in front of children.",
">\n\nI like how the headline tries to put emphasis on “she was a really really good person compared to you!” Over the fact pretty much no one deserves what happened to her, regardless of occupation.",
">\n\nThe news doesn't exist to inform. It exists to sell itself. The more emotion they can evoke the better for sales",
">\n\nSadly true. Guess I find their manipulation tactics more interesting than the “news” part itself. Because they deal more in emotion & clickbait than informing facts.",
">\n\n50 bucks says he's one of those cc bros who, you know, carry \"only for self defense bc you never know\".",
">\n\nAs evidenced by him not using a gun? Good lord",
">\n\nGun Bros are so sensitive while claiming to be upstanding citizens",
">\n\nThat's neat. Where's the gun bro in this story about a stabbing?"
] |
>
Where is the gun in this story about a (checks notes) stabbing?
Face it, you just learned a new buzzword (gun bro) and couldn't wait to use it. Even though it has zero relevance here.
|
[
"This guy waited in an SUV with his three kids (11, 9, 6) until his wife came outside. He told his children to keep their seatbelts on, then plowed into her, flipping his SUV in the process. He crawled out of the wreck and stabbed her.\nShe's in the hospital with broken bones, a stab wound to the liver, and brain damage. The children were uninjured.",
">\n\nHoly crap I read the headline and thought “yep she’s dead, and those kids are fucked for life” I’m glad only half of this thought is true, although not glad about it happening at all.",
">\n\nShe’s apparently suffered brain damage, so not sure what her QoL will be if she makes it. \nGoddamn this world fucking suuuuuuuuuuucks!!!!!",
">\n\nChill. Stop reading the national news. make your own reality. Set some goals.",
">\n\nThis is good advice, and I am working on it. Thank you. BS like this just pisses me off.",
">\n\nMe too.",
">\n\n“Convinced”???\nDo you mean “CONVICTED”?",
">\n\nYes I did. ConvicTed",
">\n\nPolice will say \"no one saw that coming\". And yet there will likely be multiple police reports, restraining orders, etc. #murderinslowmotion",
">\n\nRemember the courts rules police can watch you being raped in broad daylight while they sit in their cars or get donuts.\nEdit: that’s a made up example but really the cops can practically stand next to your murderer, let the murder happen and the courts will say they had no duty to stop it.",
">\n\nYes, correct. Police officers in New York watched a man being stabbed and stayed safe behind a door until the assailant was subdued by an unarmed civilian. They then stepped in the moment the attacker was disarmed. The Courts found they had no responsibility to protect the innocent person being stabbed by a suspect they were actively pursuing. \nSource",
">\n\nTheres a few more another famous one was Gonzales vs Castle Rock. Woman begged police to enforce an active reatraining order on her. Police didnt help at all. The ex kidnapped murdered their kids. The court said the police never had any duty to help her.\nEdit: I know there are more but that one always stands out.\nThere was also the Parkland shooting cops ran away leaving the kids behind during an active shooter crisis. Courts ruled cops had no duty to help the kids.",
">\n\nIIRC that cop was forcibly reinstated to the force with backpay / pension too.",
">\n\nAs someone that works with a lot of kids with trauma and have been in an abusive marriage.\nYou develop a real set of skills working with trauma clients. You start to understand behaviors that don't make sense to anyone else and it's a way to almost 'justify' their actions. You see the behavior as borne from their abuse and not themselves.\nThis makes it easy to disassociate when they in turn abuse you.\nFor me, it made dealing with the abuse much easier and writing it off to the trauma she has previously experienced.\nIt's a bad mindset and you really need to check yourself in this field as people will use your patience and kindness.",
">\n\nI hope she's able to recover, physically and emotionally. Those poor kids.",
">\n\nThey just witnessed their dad trying to kill their mother. They felt the car strike her. \nUninjured physically sure, but mentally? \nMy brain was messed up for a year when I was 16 and my mom accidentally ran over a squirrel. \nI have no words or idea how many years of therapy this will be for them. Especially if they feel like it is their fault or that they could of done something.",
">\n\nI wouldn't be surprised if they developed a car phobia (is there a specific word for that?). Any bump or weird sound while being driven around could cause a terrifying flashback to that moment of impact.",
">\n\nIf anything, some form of PTSD with triggers like that.",
">\n\nOh my, this is so painful to read. I am saddened this happened to her. I hope she recovers and the innocent children heal as well as they can given all they've endured. This lady had a podcast trying to assist others seeking to move forward healthfully, from the trappings of despair due to trauma and abuse. I hope the estranged husband is handed the maximum penalty for this.",
">\n\nI agree with a lot of this, but angry, violent, abusive men has been a tale as old as time. My mom was born in 1952, and has told me stories of how men could beat their wives with impunity, because wives were seen as \"less than\" her husband and everyone turned a blind eye to it. They could also beat their children with belts and paddles and it was acceptable. They were much more strict with children back in the day, as well. She remembers, from childhood, a female neighbor who had called the police on her husband because he beat her with a shoe. She was bloodied and bruised and the police weren't too helpful. \nWomen weren't allowed in certain professions, couldn't open their own bank accounts without their husband's permission, weren't really allowed to work much outside the home and were told to stay home and take care of the home and kids. They were smacked around by their husbands, could be groped in the workplace and weren't allowed the many freedoms that men had. It started to change for women for the better in the 70s onward, but we are seeing these rights and progress women have fought for, being stripped away - abortion rights is the big one, but also, men are becoming more violent and upset by women and are fighting to take us down a few notches - like incels and other groups of men who are expecting women to fall back and become the \"traditional wives\" again. \nThere's more I want to say, but yeah...the gist of it is there's an uprising of anger towards women right now and it's really showing and hard to ignore at this point.",
">\n\nHeadline is a mess.\nMom violently attacked by estranged husband in front of children.",
">\n\nI like how the headline tries to put emphasis on “she was a really really good person compared to you!” Over the fact pretty much no one deserves what happened to her, regardless of occupation.",
">\n\nThe news doesn't exist to inform. It exists to sell itself. The more emotion they can evoke the better for sales",
">\n\nSadly true. Guess I find their manipulation tactics more interesting than the “news” part itself. Because they deal more in emotion & clickbait than informing facts.",
">\n\n50 bucks says he's one of those cc bros who, you know, carry \"only for self defense bc you never know\".",
">\n\nAs evidenced by him not using a gun? Good lord",
">\n\nGun Bros are so sensitive while claiming to be upstanding citizens",
">\n\nThat's neat. Where's the gun bro in this story about a stabbing?",
">\n\nHe's there."
] |
>
SSRIs
People going through divorces and prone to behave like this need to be on them. Stalkers too. These drugs are damn near perfect for this situation.
Less so for college students feeling a little lonely but perfect for people off the deep end of love's end.
edit: I'm actually giving a concrete policy suggestion that would work to save lives and getting downvoted for it. WTF is wrong with this site.
|
[
"This guy waited in an SUV with his three kids (11, 9, 6) until his wife came outside. He told his children to keep their seatbelts on, then plowed into her, flipping his SUV in the process. He crawled out of the wreck and stabbed her.\nShe's in the hospital with broken bones, a stab wound to the liver, and brain damage. The children were uninjured.",
">\n\nHoly crap I read the headline and thought “yep she’s dead, and those kids are fucked for life” I’m glad only half of this thought is true, although not glad about it happening at all.",
">\n\nShe’s apparently suffered brain damage, so not sure what her QoL will be if she makes it. \nGoddamn this world fucking suuuuuuuuuuucks!!!!!",
">\n\nChill. Stop reading the national news. make your own reality. Set some goals.",
">\n\nThis is good advice, and I am working on it. Thank you. BS like this just pisses me off.",
">\n\nMe too.",
">\n\n“Convinced”???\nDo you mean “CONVICTED”?",
">\n\nYes I did. ConvicTed",
">\n\nPolice will say \"no one saw that coming\". And yet there will likely be multiple police reports, restraining orders, etc. #murderinslowmotion",
">\n\nRemember the courts rules police can watch you being raped in broad daylight while they sit in their cars or get donuts.\nEdit: that’s a made up example but really the cops can practically stand next to your murderer, let the murder happen and the courts will say they had no duty to stop it.",
">\n\nYes, correct. Police officers in New York watched a man being stabbed and stayed safe behind a door until the assailant was subdued by an unarmed civilian. They then stepped in the moment the attacker was disarmed. The Courts found they had no responsibility to protect the innocent person being stabbed by a suspect they were actively pursuing. \nSource",
">\n\nTheres a few more another famous one was Gonzales vs Castle Rock. Woman begged police to enforce an active reatraining order on her. Police didnt help at all. The ex kidnapped murdered their kids. The court said the police never had any duty to help her.\nEdit: I know there are more but that one always stands out.\nThere was also the Parkland shooting cops ran away leaving the kids behind during an active shooter crisis. Courts ruled cops had no duty to help the kids.",
">\n\nIIRC that cop was forcibly reinstated to the force with backpay / pension too.",
">\n\nAs someone that works with a lot of kids with trauma and have been in an abusive marriage.\nYou develop a real set of skills working with trauma clients. You start to understand behaviors that don't make sense to anyone else and it's a way to almost 'justify' their actions. You see the behavior as borne from their abuse and not themselves.\nThis makes it easy to disassociate when they in turn abuse you.\nFor me, it made dealing with the abuse much easier and writing it off to the trauma she has previously experienced.\nIt's a bad mindset and you really need to check yourself in this field as people will use your patience and kindness.",
">\n\nI hope she's able to recover, physically and emotionally. Those poor kids.",
">\n\nThey just witnessed their dad trying to kill their mother. They felt the car strike her. \nUninjured physically sure, but mentally? \nMy brain was messed up for a year when I was 16 and my mom accidentally ran over a squirrel. \nI have no words or idea how many years of therapy this will be for them. Especially if they feel like it is their fault or that they could of done something.",
">\n\nI wouldn't be surprised if they developed a car phobia (is there a specific word for that?). Any bump or weird sound while being driven around could cause a terrifying flashback to that moment of impact.",
">\n\nIf anything, some form of PTSD with triggers like that.",
">\n\nOh my, this is so painful to read. I am saddened this happened to her. I hope she recovers and the innocent children heal as well as they can given all they've endured. This lady had a podcast trying to assist others seeking to move forward healthfully, from the trappings of despair due to trauma and abuse. I hope the estranged husband is handed the maximum penalty for this.",
">\n\nI agree with a lot of this, but angry, violent, abusive men has been a tale as old as time. My mom was born in 1952, and has told me stories of how men could beat their wives with impunity, because wives were seen as \"less than\" her husband and everyone turned a blind eye to it. They could also beat their children with belts and paddles and it was acceptable. They were much more strict with children back in the day, as well. She remembers, from childhood, a female neighbor who had called the police on her husband because he beat her with a shoe. She was bloodied and bruised and the police weren't too helpful. \nWomen weren't allowed in certain professions, couldn't open their own bank accounts without their husband's permission, weren't really allowed to work much outside the home and were told to stay home and take care of the home and kids. They were smacked around by their husbands, could be groped in the workplace and weren't allowed the many freedoms that men had. It started to change for women for the better in the 70s onward, but we are seeing these rights and progress women have fought for, being stripped away - abortion rights is the big one, but also, men are becoming more violent and upset by women and are fighting to take us down a few notches - like incels and other groups of men who are expecting women to fall back and become the \"traditional wives\" again. \nThere's more I want to say, but yeah...the gist of it is there's an uprising of anger towards women right now and it's really showing and hard to ignore at this point.",
">\n\nHeadline is a mess.\nMom violently attacked by estranged husband in front of children.",
">\n\nI like how the headline tries to put emphasis on “she was a really really good person compared to you!” Over the fact pretty much no one deserves what happened to her, regardless of occupation.",
">\n\nThe news doesn't exist to inform. It exists to sell itself. The more emotion they can evoke the better for sales",
">\n\nSadly true. Guess I find their manipulation tactics more interesting than the “news” part itself. Because they deal more in emotion & clickbait than informing facts.",
">\n\n50 bucks says he's one of those cc bros who, you know, carry \"only for self defense bc you never know\".",
">\n\nAs evidenced by him not using a gun? Good lord",
">\n\nGun Bros are so sensitive while claiming to be upstanding citizens",
">\n\nThat's neat. Where's the gun bro in this story about a stabbing?",
">\n\nHe's there.",
">\n\nWhere is the gun in this story about a (checks notes) stabbing?\nFace it, you just learned a new buzzword (gun bro) and couldn't wait to use it. Even though it has zero relevance here."
] |
>
You are being downvoted for a few reasons, I bet. First, legislating that divorcing persons should be required by law to take psychiatric medications is morally wrong and ridiculous. We cannot and should not legislate medicating people, if for no other reason than people have different reactions to certain drugs.
Yes, some medications can help people through a temporary diagnosed depressive condition. Often these are SSRIs. That’s what they are for (and for long-term use for people with a diagnosed, likely permanent disorder). College students feeling “a little bit lonely?” I find that kind of weird. People generally being down do not belong on medication. There’s also a big misunderstanding that there’s a difference between being down and having a serious problem. As someone with bipolar I can’t tell you how many times people have given me nasty or unhelpful advice to “just snap out of it” or “it’s all in your head.”
I am assuming you misunderstand mental health. I was on SSRIs and was eventually diagnosed with a permanent condition. I am not downvoting you.
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[
"This guy waited in an SUV with his three kids (11, 9, 6) until his wife came outside. He told his children to keep their seatbelts on, then plowed into her, flipping his SUV in the process. He crawled out of the wreck and stabbed her.\nShe's in the hospital with broken bones, a stab wound to the liver, and brain damage. The children were uninjured.",
">\n\nHoly crap I read the headline and thought “yep she’s dead, and those kids are fucked for life” I’m glad only half of this thought is true, although not glad about it happening at all.",
">\n\nShe’s apparently suffered brain damage, so not sure what her QoL will be if she makes it. \nGoddamn this world fucking suuuuuuuuuuucks!!!!!",
">\n\nChill. Stop reading the national news. make your own reality. Set some goals.",
">\n\nThis is good advice, and I am working on it. Thank you. BS like this just pisses me off.",
">\n\nMe too.",
">\n\n“Convinced”???\nDo you mean “CONVICTED”?",
">\n\nYes I did. ConvicTed",
">\n\nPolice will say \"no one saw that coming\". And yet there will likely be multiple police reports, restraining orders, etc. #murderinslowmotion",
">\n\nRemember the courts rules police can watch you being raped in broad daylight while they sit in their cars or get donuts.\nEdit: that’s a made up example but really the cops can practically stand next to your murderer, let the murder happen and the courts will say they had no duty to stop it.",
">\n\nYes, correct. Police officers in New York watched a man being stabbed and stayed safe behind a door until the assailant was subdued by an unarmed civilian. They then stepped in the moment the attacker was disarmed. The Courts found they had no responsibility to protect the innocent person being stabbed by a suspect they were actively pursuing. \nSource",
">\n\nTheres a few more another famous one was Gonzales vs Castle Rock. Woman begged police to enforce an active reatraining order on her. Police didnt help at all. The ex kidnapped murdered their kids. The court said the police never had any duty to help her.\nEdit: I know there are more but that one always stands out.\nThere was also the Parkland shooting cops ran away leaving the kids behind during an active shooter crisis. Courts ruled cops had no duty to help the kids.",
">\n\nIIRC that cop was forcibly reinstated to the force with backpay / pension too.",
">\n\nAs someone that works with a lot of kids with trauma and have been in an abusive marriage.\nYou develop a real set of skills working with trauma clients. You start to understand behaviors that don't make sense to anyone else and it's a way to almost 'justify' their actions. You see the behavior as borne from their abuse and not themselves.\nThis makes it easy to disassociate when they in turn abuse you.\nFor me, it made dealing with the abuse much easier and writing it off to the trauma she has previously experienced.\nIt's a bad mindset and you really need to check yourself in this field as people will use your patience and kindness.",
">\n\nI hope she's able to recover, physically and emotionally. Those poor kids.",
">\n\nThey just witnessed their dad trying to kill their mother. They felt the car strike her. \nUninjured physically sure, but mentally? \nMy brain was messed up for a year when I was 16 and my mom accidentally ran over a squirrel. \nI have no words or idea how many years of therapy this will be for them. Especially if they feel like it is their fault or that they could of done something.",
">\n\nI wouldn't be surprised if they developed a car phobia (is there a specific word for that?). Any bump or weird sound while being driven around could cause a terrifying flashback to that moment of impact.",
">\n\nIf anything, some form of PTSD with triggers like that.",
">\n\nOh my, this is so painful to read. I am saddened this happened to her. I hope she recovers and the innocent children heal as well as they can given all they've endured. This lady had a podcast trying to assist others seeking to move forward healthfully, from the trappings of despair due to trauma and abuse. I hope the estranged husband is handed the maximum penalty for this.",
">\n\nI agree with a lot of this, but angry, violent, abusive men has been a tale as old as time. My mom was born in 1952, and has told me stories of how men could beat their wives with impunity, because wives were seen as \"less than\" her husband and everyone turned a blind eye to it. They could also beat their children with belts and paddles and it was acceptable. They were much more strict with children back in the day, as well. She remembers, from childhood, a female neighbor who had called the police on her husband because he beat her with a shoe. She was bloodied and bruised and the police weren't too helpful. \nWomen weren't allowed in certain professions, couldn't open their own bank accounts without their husband's permission, weren't really allowed to work much outside the home and were told to stay home and take care of the home and kids. They were smacked around by their husbands, could be groped in the workplace and weren't allowed the many freedoms that men had. It started to change for women for the better in the 70s onward, but we are seeing these rights and progress women have fought for, being stripped away - abortion rights is the big one, but also, men are becoming more violent and upset by women and are fighting to take us down a few notches - like incels and other groups of men who are expecting women to fall back and become the \"traditional wives\" again. \nThere's more I want to say, but yeah...the gist of it is there's an uprising of anger towards women right now and it's really showing and hard to ignore at this point.",
">\n\nHeadline is a mess.\nMom violently attacked by estranged husband in front of children.",
">\n\nI like how the headline tries to put emphasis on “she was a really really good person compared to you!” Over the fact pretty much no one deserves what happened to her, regardless of occupation.",
">\n\nThe news doesn't exist to inform. It exists to sell itself. The more emotion they can evoke the better for sales",
">\n\nSadly true. Guess I find their manipulation tactics more interesting than the “news” part itself. Because they deal more in emotion & clickbait than informing facts.",
">\n\n50 bucks says he's one of those cc bros who, you know, carry \"only for self defense bc you never know\".",
">\n\nAs evidenced by him not using a gun? Good lord",
">\n\nGun Bros are so sensitive while claiming to be upstanding citizens",
">\n\nThat's neat. Where's the gun bro in this story about a stabbing?",
">\n\nHe's there.",
">\n\nWhere is the gun in this story about a (checks notes) stabbing?\nFace it, you just learned a new buzzword (gun bro) and couldn't wait to use it. Even though it has zero relevance here.",
">\n\nSSRIs\nPeople going through divorces and prone to behave like this need to be on them. Stalkers too. These drugs are damn near perfect for this situation.\nLess so for college students feeling a little lonely but perfect for people off the deep end of love's end.\nedit: I'm actually giving a concrete policy suggestion that would work to save lives and getting downvoted for it. WTF is wrong with this site."
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I was thinking more along the lines of SSRIs for those charged with stalking harassment or domestic violence associated with relationship trouble. Never meant to suggest everyone breaking up should be on them.
I also think they're a little overprescribed. Buy yeah some people actually need them - don't mean to say you don't.
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[
"This guy waited in an SUV with his three kids (11, 9, 6) until his wife came outside. He told his children to keep their seatbelts on, then plowed into her, flipping his SUV in the process. He crawled out of the wreck and stabbed her.\nShe's in the hospital with broken bones, a stab wound to the liver, and brain damage. The children were uninjured.",
">\n\nHoly crap I read the headline and thought “yep she’s dead, and those kids are fucked for life” I’m glad only half of this thought is true, although not glad about it happening at all.",
">\n\nShe’s apparently suffered brain damage, so not sure what her QoL will be if she makes it. \nGoddamn this world fucking suuuuuuuuuuucks!!!!!",
">\n\nChill. Stop reading the national news. make your own reality. Set some goals.",
">\n\nThis is good advice, and I am working on it. Thank you. BS like this just pisses me off.",
">\n\nMe too.",
">\n\n“Convinced”???\nDo you mean “CONVICTED”?",
">\n\nYes I did. ConvicTed",
">\n\nPolice will say \"no one saw that coming\". And yet there will likely be multiple police reports, restraining orders, etc. #murderinslowmotion",
">\n\nRemember the courts rules police can watch you being raped in broad daylight while they sit in their cars or get donuts.\nEdit: that’s a made up example but really the cops can practically stand next to your murderer, let the murder happen and the courts will say they had no duty to stop it.",
">\n\nYes, correct. Police officers in New York watched a man being stabbed and stayed safe behind a door until the assailant was subdued by an unarmed civilian. They then stepped in the moment the attacker was disarmed. The Courts found they had no responsibility to protect the innocent person being stabbed by a suspect they were actively pursuing. \nSource",
">\n\nTheres a few more another famous one was Gonzales vs Castle Rock. Woman begged police to enforce an active reatraining order on her. Police didnt help at all. The ex kidnapped murdered their kids. The court said the police never had any duty to help her.\nEdit: I know there are more but that one always stands out.\nThere was also the Parkland shooting cops ran away leaving the kids behind during an active shooter crisis. Courts ruled cops had no duty to help the kids.",
">\n\nIIRC that cop was forcibly reinstated to the force with backpay / pension too.",
">\n\nAs someone that works with a lot of kids with trauma and have been in an abusive marriage.\nYou develop a real set of skills working with trauma clients. You start to understand behaviors that don't make sense to anyone else and it's a way to almost 'justify' their actions. You see the behavior as borne from their abuse and not themselves.\nThis makes it easy to disassociate when they in turn abuse you.\nFor me, it made dealing with the abuse much easier and writing it off to the trauma she has previously experienced.\nIt's a bad mindset and you really need to check yourself in this field as people will use your patience and kindness.",
">\n\nI hope she's able to recover, physically and emotionally. Those poor kids.",
">\n\nThey just witnessed their dad trying to kill their mother. They felt the car strike her. \nUninjured physically sure, but mentally? \nMy brain was messed up for a year when I was 16 and my mom accidentally ran over a squirrel. \nI have no words or idea how many years of therapy this will be for them. Especially if they feel like it is their fault or that they could of done something.",
">\n\nI wouldn't be surprised if they developed a car phobia (is there a specific word for that?). Any bump or weird sound while being driven around could cause a terrifying flashback to that moment of impact.",
">\n\nIf anything, some form of PTSD with triggers like that.",
">\n\nOh my, this is so painful to read. I am saddened this happened to her. I hope she recovers and the innocent children heal as well as they can given all they've endured. This lady had a podcast trying to assist others seeking to move forward healthfully, from the trappings of despair due to trauma and abuse. I hope the estranged husband is handed the maximum penalty for this.",
">\n\nI agree with a lot of this, but angry, violent, abusive men has been a tale as old as time. My mom was born in 1952, and has told me stories of how men could beat their wives with impunity, because wives were seen as \"less than\" her husband and everyone turned a blind eye to it. They could also beat their children with belts and paddles and it was acceptable. They were much more strict with children back in the day, as well. She remembers, from childhood, a female neighbor who had called the police on her husband because he beat her with a shoe. She was bloodied and bruised and the police weren't too helpful. \nWomen weren't allowed in certain professions, couldn't open their own bank accounts without their husband's permission, weren't really allowed to work much outside the home and were told to stay home and take care of the home and kids. They were smacked around by their husbands, could be groped in the workplace and weren't allowed the many freedoms that men had. It started to change for women for the better in the 70s onward, but we are seeing these rights and progress women have fought for, being stripped away - abortion rights is the big one, but also, men are becoming more violent and upset by women and are fighting to take us down a few notches - like incels and other groups of men who are expecting women to fall back and become the \"traditional wives\" again. \nThere's more I want to say, but yeah...the gist of it is there's an uprising of anger towards women right now and it's really showing and hard to ignore at this point.",
">\n\nHeadline is a mess.\nMom violently attacked by estranged husband in front of children.",
">\n\nI like how the headline tries to put emphasis on “she was a really really good person compared to you!” Over the fact pretty much no one deserves what happened to her, regardless of occupation.",
">\n\nThe news doesn't exist to inform. It exists to sell itself. The more emotion they can evoke the better for sales",
">\n\nSadly true. Guess I find their manipulation tactics more interesting than the “news” part itself. Because they deal more in emotion & clickbait than informing facts.",
">\n\n50 bucks says he's one of those cc bros who, you know, carry \"only for self defense bc you never know\".",
">\n\nAs evidenced by him not using a gun? Good lord",
">\n\nGun Bros are so sensitive while claiming to be upstanding citizens",
">\n\nThat's neat. Where's the gun bro in this story about a stabbing?",
">\n\nHe's there.",
">\n\nWhere is the gun in this story about a (checks notes) stabbing?\nFace it, you just learned a new buzzword (gun bro) and couldn't wait to use it. Even though it has zero relevance here.",
">\n\nSSRIs\nPeople going through divorces and prone to behave like this need to be on them. Stalkers too. These drugs are damn near perfect for this situation.\nLess so for college students feeling a little lonely but perfect for people off the deep end of love's end.\nedit: I'm actually giving a concrete policy suggestion that would work to save lives and getting downvoted for it. WTF is wrong with this site.",
">\n\nYou are being downvoted for a few reasons, I bet. First, legislating that divorcing persons should be required by law to take psychiatric medications is morally wrong and ridiculous. We cannot and should not legislate medicating people, if for no other reason than people have different reactions to certain drugs.\nYes, some medications can help people through a temporary diagnosed depressive condition. Often these are SSRIs. That’s what they are for (and for long-term use for people with a diagnosed, likely permanent disorder). College students feeling “a little bit lonely?” I find that kind of weird. People generally being down do not belong on medication. There’s also a big misunderstanding that there’s a difference between being down and having a serious problem. As someone with bipolar I can’t tell you how many times people have given me nasty or unhelpful advice to “just snap out of it” or “it’s all in your head.”\nI am assuming you misunderstand mental health. I was on SSRIs and was eventually diagnosed with a permanent condition. I am not downvoting you."
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It would still be unethical. And stalkers/domestic people are very volatile. For instance, getting a restraining order does deter some dangerous people from continuing their behavior but many just get more angry and become more violence prone. Often the restraining order is the spark to the powder keg of murdering their target. I suspect telling some of them they have to take medication (and how would enforcing that work?) will infuriate dang near all of them! And no worries about me. I’m just trying to give you more information on what it’s like for people with serious mental health conditions :) So your idea is well meant but impractical and wrong.
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[
"This guy waited in an SUV with his three kids (11, 9, 6) until his wife came outside. He told his children to keep their seatbelts on, then plowed into her, flipping his SUV in the process. He crawled out of the wreck and stabbed her.\nShe's in the hospital with broken bones, a stab wound to the liver, and brain damage. The children were uninjured.",
">\n\nHoly crap I read the headline and thought “yep she’s dead, and those kids are fucked for life” I’m glad only half of this thought is true, although not glad about it happening at all.",
">\n\nShe’s apparently suffered brain damage, so not sure what her QoL will be if she makes it. \nGoddamn this world fucking suuuuuuuuuuucks!!!!!",
">\n\nChill. Stop reading the national news. make your own reality. Set some goals.",
">\n\nThis is good advice, and I am working on it. Thank you. BS like this just pisses me off.",
">\n\nMe too.",
">\n\n“Convinced”???\nDo you mean “CONVICTED”?",
">\n\nYes I did. ConvicTed",
">\n\nPolice will say \"no one saw that coming\". And yet there will likely be multiple police reports, restraining orders, etc. #murderinslowmotion",
">\n\nRemember the courts rules police can watch you being raped in broad daylight while they sit in their cars or get donuts.\nEdit: that’s a made up example but really the cops can practically stand next to your murderer, let the murder happen and the courts will say they had no duty to stop it.",
">\n\nYes, correct. Police officers in New York watched a man being stabbed and stayed safe behind a door until the assailant was subdued by an unarmed civilian. They then stepped in the moment the attacker was disarmed. The Courts found they had no responsibility to protect the innocent person being stabbed by a suspect they were actively pursuing. \nSource",
">\n\nTheres a few more another famous one was Gonzales vs Castle Rock. Woman begged police to enforce an active reatraining order on her. Police didnt help at all. The ex kidnapped murdered their kids. The court said the police never had any duty to help her.\nEdit: I know there are more but that one always stands out.\nThere was also the Parkland shooting cops ran away leaving the kids behind during an active shooter crisis. Courts ruled cops had no duty to help the kids.",
">\n\nIIRC that cop was forcibly reinstated to the force with backpay / pension too.",
">\n\nAs someone that works with a lot of kids with trauma and have been in an abusive marriage.\nYou develop a real set of skills working with trauma clients. You start to understand behaviors that don't make sense to anyone else and it's a way to almost 'justify' their actions. You see the behavior as borne from their abuse and not themselves.\nThis makes it easy to disassociate when they in turn abuse you.\nFor me, it made dealing with the abuse much easier and writing it off to the trauma she has previously experienced.\nIt's a bad mindset and you really need to check yourself in this field as people will use your patience and kindness.",
">\n\nI hope she's able to recover, physically and emotionally. Those poor kids.",
">\n\nThey just witnessed their dad trying to kill their mother. They felt the car strike her. \nUninjured physically sure, but mentally? \nMy brain was messed up for a year when I was 16 and my mom accidentally ran over a squirrel. \nI have no words or idea how many years of therapy this will be for them. Especially if they feel like it is their fault or that they could of done something.",
">\n\nI wouldn't be surprised if they developed a car phobia (is there a specific word for that?). Any bump or weird sound while being driven around could cause a terrifying flashback to that moment of impact.",
">\n\nIf anything, some form of PTSD with triggers like that.",
">\n\nOh my, this is so painful to read. I am saddened this happened to her. I hope she recovers and the innocent children heal as well as they can given all they've endured. This lady had a podcast trying to assist others seeking to move forward healthfully, from the trappings of despair due to trauma and abuse. I hope the estranged husband is handed the maximum penalty for this.",
">\n\nI agree with a lot of this, but angry, violent, abusive men has been a tale as old as time. My mom was born in 1952, and has told me stories of how men could beat their wives with impunity, because wives were seen as \"less than\" her husband and everyone turned a blind eye to it. They could also beat their children with belts and paddles and it was acceptable. They were much more strict with children back in the day, as well. She remembers, from childhood, a female neighbor who had called the police on her husband because he beat her with a shoe. She was bloodied and bruised and the police weren't too helpful. \nWomen weren't allowed in certain professions, couldn't open their own bank accounts without their husband's permission, weren't really allowed to work much outside the home and were told to stay home and take care of the home and kids. They were smacked around by their husbands, could be groped in the workplace and weren't allowed the many freedoms that men had. It started to change for women for the better in the 70s onward, but we are seeing these rights and progress women have fought for, being stripped away - abortion rights is the big one, but also, men are becoming more violent and upset by women and are fighting to take us down a few notches - like incels and other groups of men who are expecting women to fall back and become the \"traditional wives\" again. \nThere's more I want to say, but yeah...the gist of it is there's an uprising of anger towards women right now and it's really showing and hard to ignore at this point.",
">\n\nHeadline is a mess.\nMom violently attacked by estranged husband in front of children.",
">\n\nI like how the headline tries to put emphasis on “she was a really really good person compared to you!” Over the fact pretty much no one deserves what happened to her, regardless of occupation.",
">\n\nThe news doesn't exist to inform. It exists to sell itself. The more emotion they can evoke the better for sales",
">\n\nSadly true. Guess I find their manipulation tactics more interesting than the “news” part itself. Because they deal more in emotion & clickbait than informing facts.",
">\n\n50 bucks says he's one of those cc bros who, you know, carry \"only for self defense bc you never know\".",
">\n\nAs evidenced by him not using a gun? Good lord",
">\n\nGun Bros are so sensitive while claiming to be upstanding citizens",
">\n\nThat's neat. Where's the gun bro in this story about a stabbing?",
">\n\nHe's there.",
">\n\nWhere is the gun in this story about a (checks notes) stabbing?\nFace it, you just learned a new buzzword (gun bro) and couldn't wait to use it. Even though it has zero relevance here.",
">\n\nSSRIs\nPeople going through divorces and prone to behave like this need to be on them. Stalkers too. These drugs are damn near perfect for this situation.\nLess so for college students feeling a little lonely but perfect for people off the deep end of love's end.\nedit: I'm actually giving a concrete policy suggestion that would work to save lives and getting downvoted for it. WTF is wrong with this site.",
">\n\nYou are being downvoted for a few reasons, I bet. First, legislating that divorcing persons should be required by law to take psychiatric medications is morally wrong and ridiculous. We cannot and should not legislate medicating people, if for no other reason than people have different reactions to certain drugs.\nYes, some medications can help people through a temporary diagnosed depressive condition. Often these are SSRIs. That’s what they are for (and for long-term use for people with a diagnosed, likely permanent disorder). College students feeling “a little bit lonely?” I find that kind of weird. People generally being down do not belong on medication. There’s also a big misunderstanding that there’s a difference between being down and having a serious problem. As someone with bipolar I can’t tell you how many times people have given me nasty or unhelpful advice to “just snap out of it” or “it’s all in your head.”\nI am assuming you misunderstand mental health. I was on SSRIs and was eventually diagnosed with a permanent condition. I am not downvoting you.",
">\n\nI was thinking more along the lines of SSRIs for those charged with stalking harassment or domestic violence associated with relationship trouble. Never meant to suggest everyone breaking up should be on them. \nI also think they're a little overprescribed. Buy yeah some people actually need them - don't mean to say you don't."
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Some of you are writing as though these children, while in an over turned SUV, observed their father stabbing the mother. While the accident itself is certainly a traumatizing event, I am hoping for the children's sakes that they were perhaps unconscious during the stabbing.
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[
"This guy waited in an SUV with his three kids (11, 9, 6) until his wife came outside. He told his children to keep their seatbelts on, then plowed into her, flipping his SUV in the process. He crawled out of the wreck and stabbed her.\nShe's in the hospital with broken bones, a stab wound to the liver, and brain damage. The children were uninjured.",
">\n\nHoly crap I read the headline and thought “yep she’s dead, and those kids are fucked for life” I’m glad only half of this thought is true, although not glad about it happening at all.",
">\n\nShe’s apparently suffered brain damage, so not sure what her QoL will be if she makes it. \nGoddamn this world fucking suuuuuuuuuuucks!!!!!",
">\n\nChill. Stop reading the national news. make your own reality. Set some goals.",
">\n\nThis is good advice, and I am working on it. Thank you. BS like this just pisses me off.",
">\n\nMe too.",
">\n\n“Convinced”???\nDo you mean “CONVICTED”?",
">\n\nYes I did. ConvicTed",
">\n\nPolice will say \"no one saw that coming\". And yet there will likely be multiple police reports, restraining orders, etc. #murderinslowmotion",
">\n\nRemember the courts rules police can watch you being raped in broad daylight while they sit in their cars or get donuts.\nEdit: that’s a made up example but really the cops can practically stand next to your murderer, let the murder happen and the courts will say they had no duty to stop it.",
">\n\nYes, correct. Police officers in New York watched a man being stabbed and stayed safe behind a door until the assailant was subdued by an unarmed civilian. They then stepped in the moment the attacker was disarmed. The Courts found they had no responsibility to protect the innocent person being stabbed by a suspect they were actively pursuing. \nSource",
">\n\nTheres a few more another famous one was Gonzales vs Castle Rock. Woman begged police to enforce an active reatraining order on her. Police didnt help at all. The ex kidnapped murdered their kids. The court said the police never had any duty to help her.\nEdit: I know there are more but that one always stands out.\nThere was also the Parkland shooting cops ran away leaving the kids behind during an active shooter crisis. Courts ruled cops had no duty to help the kids.",
">\n\nIIRC that cop was forcibly reinstated to the force with backpay / pension too.",
">\n\nAs someone that works with a lot of kids with trauma and have been in an abusive marriage.\nYou develop a real set of skills working with trauma clients. You start to understand behaviors that don't make sense to anyone else and it's a way to almost 'justify' their actions. You see the behavior as borne from their abuse and not themselves.\nThis makes it easy to disassociate when they in turn abuse you.\nFor me, it made dealing with the abuse much easier and writing it off to the trauma she has previously experienced.\nIt's a bad mindset and you really need to check yourself in this field as people will use your patience and kindness.",
">\n\nI hope she's able to recover, physically and emotionally. Those poor kids.",
">\n\nThey just witnessed their dad trying to kill their mother. They felt the car strike her. \nUninjured physically sure, but mentally? \nMy brain was messed up for a year when I was 16 and my mom accidentally ran over a squirrel. \nI have no words or idea how many years of therapy this will be for them. Especially if they feel like it is their fault or that they could of done something.",
">\n\nI wouldn't be surprised if they developed a car phobia (is there a specific word for that?). Any bump or weird sound while being driven around could cause a terrifying flashback to that moment of impact.",
">\n\nIf anything, some form of PTSD with triggers like that.",
">\n\nOh my, this is so painful to read. I am saddened this happened to her. I hope she recovers and the innocent children heal as well as they can given all they've endured. This lady had a podcast trying to assist others seeking to move forward healthfully, from the trappings of despair due to trauma and abuse. I hope the estranged husband is handed the maximum penalty for this.",
">\n\nI agree with a lot of this, but angry, violent, abusive men has been a tale as old as time. My mom was born in 1952, and has told me stories of how men could beat their wives with impunity, because wives were seen as \"less than\" her husband and everyone turned a blind eye to it. They could also beat their children with belts and paddles and it was acceptable. They were much more strict with children back in the day, as well. She remembers, from childhood, a female neighbor who had called the police on her husband because he beat her with a shoe. She was bloodied and bruised and the police weren't too helpful. \nWomen weren't allowed in certain professions, couldn't open their own bank accounts without their husband's permission, weren't really allowed to work much outside the home and were told to stay home and take care of the home and kids. They were smacked around by their husbands, could be groped in the workplace and weren't allowed the many freedoms that men had. It started to change for women for the better in the 70s onward, but we are seeing these rights and progress women have fought for, being stripped away - abortion rights is the big one, but also, men are becoming more violent and upset by women and are fighting to take us down a few notches - like incels and other groups of men who are expecting women to fall back and become the \"traditional wives\" again. \nThere's more I want to say, but yeah...the gist of it is there's an uprising of anger towards women right now and it's really showing and hard to ignore at this point.",
">\n\nHeadline is a mess.\nMom violently attacked by estranged husband in front of children.",
">\n\nI like how the headline tries to put emphasis on “she was a really really good person compared to you!” Over the fact pretty much no one deserves what happened to her, regardless of occupation.",
">\n\nThe news doesn't exist to inform. It exists to sell itself. The more emotion they can evoke the better for sales",
">\n\nSadly true. Guess I find their manipulation tactics more interesting than the “news” part itself. Because they deal more in emotion & clickbait than informing facts.",
">\n\n50 bucks says he's one of those cc bros who, you know, carry \"only for self defense bc you never know\".",
">\n\nAs evidenced by him not using a gun? Good lord",
">\n\nGun Bros are so sensitive while claiming to be upstanding citizens",
">\n\nThat's neat. Where's the gun bro in this story about a stabbing?",
">\n\nHe's there.",
">\n\nWhere is the gun in this story about a (checks notes) stabbing?\nFace it, you just learned a new buzzword (gun bro) and couldn't wait to use it. Even though it has zero relevance here.",
">\n\nSSRIs\nPeople going through divorces and prone to behave like this need to be on them. Stalkers too. These drugs are damn near perfect for this situation.\nLess so for college students feeling a little lonely but perfect for people off the deep end of love's end.\nedit: I'm actually giving a concrete policy suggestion that would work to save lives and getting downvoted for it. WTF is wrong with this site.",
">\n\nYou are being downvoted for a few reasons, I bet. First, legislating that divorcing persons should be required by law to take psychiatric medications is morally wrong and ridiculous. We cannot and should not legislate medicating people, if for no other reason than people have different reactions to certain drugs.\nYes, some medications can help people through a temporary diagnosed depressive condition. Often these are SSRIs. That’s what they are for (and for long-term use for people with a diagnosed, likely permanent disorder). College students feeling “a little bit lonely?” I find that kind of weird. People generally being down do not belong on medication. There’s also a big misunderstanding that there’s a difference between being down and having a serious problem. As someone with bipolar I can’t tell you how many times people have given me nasty or unhelpful advice to “just snap out of it” or “it’s all in your head.”\nI am assuming you misunderstand mental health. I was on SSRIs and was eventually diagnosed with a permanent condition. I am not downvoting you.",
">\n\nI was thinking more along the lines of SSRIs for those charged with stalking harassment or domestic violence associated with relationship trouble. Never meant to suggest everyone breaking up should be on them. \nI also think they're a little overprescribed. Buy yeah some people actually need them - don't mean to say you don't.",
">\n\nIt would still be unethical. And stalkers/domestic people are very volatile. For instance, getting a restraining order does deter some dangerous people from continuing their behavior but many just get more angry and become more violence prone. Often the restraining order is the spark to the powder keg of murdering their target. I suspect telling some of them they have to take medication (and how would enforcing that work?) will infuriate dang near all of them! And no worries about me. I’m just trying to give you more information on what it’s like for people with serious mental health conditions :) So your idea is well meant but impractical and wrong."
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"This guy waited in an SUV with his three kids (11, 9, 6) until his wife came outside. He told his children to keep their seatbelts on, then plowed into her, flipping his SUV in the process. He crawled out of the wreck and stabbed her.\nShe's in the hospital with broken bones, a stab wound to the liver, and brain damage. The children were uninjured.",
">\n\nHoly crap I read the headline and thought “yep she’s dead, and those kids are fucked for life” I’m glad only half of this thought is true, although not glad about it happening at all.",
">\n\nShe’s apparently suffered brain damage, so not sure what her QoL will be if she makes it. \nGoddamn this world fucking suuuuuuuuuuucks!!!!!",
">\n\nChill. Stop reading the national news. make your own reality. Set some goals.",
">\n\nThis is good advice, and I am working on it. Thank you. BS like this just pisses me off.",
">\n\nMe too.",
">\n\n“Convinced”???\nDo you mean “CONVICTED”?",
">\n\nYes I did. ConvicTed",
">\n\nPolice will say \"no one saw that coming\". And yet there will likely be multiple police reports, restraining orders, etc. #murderinslowmotion",
">\n\nRemember the courts rules police can watch you being raped in broad daylight while they sit in their cars or get donuts.\nEdit: that’s a made up example but really the cops can practically stand next to your murderer, let the murder happen and the courts will say they had no duty to stop it.",
">\n\nYes, correct. Police officers in New York watched a man being stabbed and stayed safe behind a door until the assailant was subdued by an unarmed civilian. They then stepped in the moment the attacker was disarmed. The Courts found they had no responsibility to protect the innocent person being stabbed by a suspect they were actively pursuing. \nSource",
">\n\nTheres a few more another famous one was Gonzales vs Castle Rock. Woman begged police to enforce an active reatraining order on her. Police didnt help at all. The ex kidnapped murdered their kids. The court said the police never had any duty to help her.\nEdit: I know there are more but that one always stands out.\nThere was also the Parkland shooting cops ran away leaving the kids behind during an active shooter crisis. Courts ruled cops had no duty to help the kids.",
">\n\nIIRC that cop was forcibly reinstated to the force with backpay / pension too.",
">\n\nAs someone that works with a lot of kids with trauma and have been in an abusive marriage.\nYou develop a real set of skills working with trauma clients. You start to understand behaviors that don't make sense to anyone else and it's a way to almost 'justify' their actions. You see the behavior as borne from their abuse and not themselves.\nThis makes it easy to disassociate when they in turn abuse you.\nFor me, it made dealing with the abuse much easier and writing it off to the trauma she has previously experienced.\nIt's a bad mindset and you really need to check yourself in this field as people will use your patience and kindness.",
">\n\nI hope she's able to recover, physically and emotionally. Those poor kids.",
">\n\nThey just witnessed their dad trying to kill their mother. They felt the car strike her. \nUninjured physically sure, but mentally? \nMy brain was messed up for a year when I was 16 and my mom accidentally ran over a squirrel. \nI have no words or idea how many years of therapy this will be for them. Especially if they feel like it is their fault or that they could of done something.",
">\n\nI wouldn't be surprised if they developed a car phobia (is there a specific word for that?). Any bump or weird sound while being driven around could cause a terrifying flashback to that moment of impact.",
">\n\nIf anything, some form of PTSD with triggers like that.",
">\n\nOh my, this is so painful to read. I am saddened this happened to her. I hope she recovers and the innocent children heal as well as they can given all they've endured. This lady had a podcast trying to assist others seeking to move forward healthfully, from the trappings of despair due to trauma and abuse. I hope the estranged husband is handed the maximum penalty for this.",
">\n\nI agree with a lot of this, but angry, violent, abusive men has been a tale as old as time. My mom was born in 1952, and has told me stories of how men could beat their wives with impunity, because wives were seen as \"less than\" her husband and everyone turned a blind eye to it. They could also beat their children with belts and paddles and it was acceptable. They were much more strict with children back in the day, as well. She remembers, from childhood, a female neighbor who had called the police on her husband because he beat her with a shoe. She was bloodied and bruised and the police weren't too helpful. \nWomen weren't allowed in certain professions, couldn't open their own bank accounts without their husband's permission, weren't really allowed to work much outside the home and were told to stay home and take care of the home and kids. They were smacked around by their husbands, could be groped in the workplace and weren't allowed the many freedoms that men had. It started to change for women for the better in the 70s onward, but we are seeing these rights and progress women have fought for, being stripped away - abortion rights is the big one, but also, men are becoming more violent and upset by women and are fighting to take us down a few notches - like incels and other groups of men who are expecting women to fall back and become the \"traditional wives\" again. \nThere's more I want to say, but yeah...the gist of it is there's an uprising of anger towards women right now and it's really showing and hard to ignore at this point.",
">\n\nHeadline is a mess.\nMom violently attacked by estranged husband in front of children.",
">\n\nI like how the headline tries to put emphasis on “she was a really really good person compared to you!” Over the fact pretty much no one deserves what happened to her, regardless of occupation.",
">\n\nThe news doesn't exist to inform. It exists to sell itself. The more emotion they can evoke the better for sales",
">\n\nSadly true. Guess I find their manipulation tactics more interesting than the “news” part itself. Because they deal more in emotion & clickbait than informing facts.",
">\n\n50 bucks says he's one of those cc bros who, you know, carry \"only for self defense bc you never know\".",
">\n\nAs evidenced by him not using a gun? Good lord",
">\n\nGun Bros are so sensitive while claiming to be upstanding citizens",
">\n\nThat's neat. Where's the gun bro in this story about a stabbing?",
">\n\nHe's there.",
">\n\nWhere is the gun in this story about a (checks notes) stabbing?\nFace it, you just learned a new buzzword (gun bro) and couldn't wait to use it. Even though it has zero relevance here.",
">\n\nSSRIs\nPeople going through divorces and prone to behave like this need to be on them. Stalkers too. These drugs are damn near perfect for this situation.\nLess so for college students feeling a little lonely but perfect for people off the deep end of love's end.\nedit: I'm actually giving a concrete policy suggestion that would work to save lives and getting downvoted for it. WTF is wrong with this site.",
">\n\nYou are being downvoted for a few reasons, I bet. First, legislating that divorcing persons should be required by law to take psychiatric medications is morally wrong and ridiculous. We cannot and should not legislate medicating people, if for no other reason than people have different reactions to certain drugs.\nYes, some medications can help people through a temporary diagnosed depressive condition. Often these are SSRIs. That’s what they are for (and for long-term use for people with a diagnosed, likely permanent disorder). College students feeling “a little bit lonely?” I find that kind of weird. People generally being down do not belong on medication. There’s also a big misunderstanding that there’s a difference between being down and having a serious problem. As someone with bipolar I can’t tell you how many times people have given me nasty or unhelpful advice to “just snap out of it” or “it’s all in your head.”\nI am assuming you misunderstand mental health. I was on SSRIs and was eventually diagnosed with a permanent condition. I am not downvoting you.",
">\n\nI was thinking more along the lines of SSRIs for those charged with stalking harassment or domestic violence associated with relationship trouble. Never meant to suggest everyone breaking up should be on them. \nI also think they're a little overprescribed. Buy yeah some people actually need them - don't mean to say you don't.",
">\n\nIt would still be unethical. And stalkers/domestic people are very volatile. For instance, getting a restraining order does deter some dangerous people from continuing their behavior but many just get more angry and become more violence prone. Often the restraining order is the spark to the powder keg of murdering their target. I suspect telling some of them they have to take medication (and how would enforcing that work?) will infuriate dang near all of them! And no worries about me. I’m just trying to give you more information on what it’s like for people with serious mental health conditions :) So your idea is well meant but impractical and wrong.",
">\n\nSome of you are writing as though these children, while in an over turned SUV, observed their father stabbing the mother. While the accident itself is certainly a traumatizing event, I am hoping for the children's sakes that they were perhaps unconscious during the stabbing."
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Just how I like my GOP
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It's the inevitable outcome of the GOP's Faustian bargain with Trump. They could have chucked him aside any number of times, but they wanted the votes from the crazies that he attracts.
But now, Trump and the crazies are an albatross that's driving away independents and losing them elections, and to make matters worse, some of the crazies are now in Congress and making the GOP brand even more toxic.
So the sane-but-vile members of the party are trying to push back, and you've even got a few of the crazies fighting each other because they can't help themselves.
Fucking hilarious to watch.
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"Just how I like my GOP"
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I think it is genuinely hilarious the GOP thought it could hold control post Trump. That’s not what happens after you make a lunatic your entire party.
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"Just how I like my GOP",
">\n\nIt's the inevitable outcome of the GOP's Faustian bargain with Trump. They could have chucked him aside any number of times, but they wanted the votes from the crazies that he attracts. \nBut now, Trump and the crazies are an albatross that's driving away independents and losing them elections, and to make matters worse, some of the crazies are now in Congress and making the GOP brand even more toxic. \nSo the sane-but-vile members of the party are trying to push back, and you've even got a few of the crazies fighting each other because they can't help themselves.\nFucking hilarious to watch."
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Lindsey Graham said it himself
"If we nominate Trump, we will get destroyed ... and we will deserve it"
It just took longer than expected hopefully/potentially.
And he's right they do deserve it, they're not treating people like people. They've always made in groups and out groups. They're against any and all progress but take credit for it anyways when it's well received.
They care only for themselves and govern to enrich themselves.
Trump and this new brand of GOP are the culmination of decades of republican policies. People who aren't in on the "joke" and genuinely believe what they're saying.
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[
"Just how I like my GOP",
">\n\nIt's the inevitable outcome of the GOP's Faustian bargain with Trump. They could have chucked him aside any number of times, but they wanted the votes from the crazies that he attracts. \nBut now, Trump and the crazies are an albatross that's driving away independents and losing them elections, and to make matters worse, some of the crazies are now in Congress and making the GOP brand even more toxic. \nSo the sane-but-vile members of the party are trying to push back, and you've even got a few of the crazies fighting each other because they can't help themselves.\nFucking hilarious to watch.",
">\n\nI think it is genuinely hilarious the GOP thought it could hold control post Trump. That’s not what happens after you make a lunatic your entire party."
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I love when Lindsey Graham gets it perfectly right but then backtracks after a nice golf game with fellow Republicans.
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[
"Just how I like my GOP",
">\n\nIt's the inevitable outcome of the GOP's Faustian bargain with Trump. They could have chucked him aside any number of times, but they wanted the votes from the crazies that he attracts. \nBut now, Trump and the crazies are an albatross that's driving away independents and losing them elections, and to make matters worse, some of the crazies are now in Congress and making the GOP brand even more toxic. \nSo the sane-but-vile members of the party are trying to push back, and you've even got a few of the crazies fighting each other because they can't help themselves.\nFucking hilarious to watch.",
">\n\nI think it is genuinely hilarious the GOP thought it could hold control post Trump. That’s not what happens after you make a lunatic your entire party.",
">\n\nLindsey Graham said it himself\n\n\"If we nominate Trump, we will get destroyed ... and we will deserve it\"\n\nIt just took longer than expected hopefully/potentially.\nAnd he's right they do deserve it, they're not treating people like people. They've always made in groups and out groups. They're against any and all progress but take credit for it anyways when it's well received.\nThey care only for themselves and govern to enrich themselves.\nTrump and this new brand of GOP are the culmination of decades of republican policies. People who aren't in on the \"joke\" and genuinely believe what they're saying."
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>
That part. Also these “tell all” books from people who got inconvenient and only now raise the red flags.
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[
"Just how I like my GOP",
">\n\nIt's the inevitable outcome of the GOP's Faustian bargain with Trump. They could have chucked him aside any number of times, but they wanted the votes from the crazies that he attracts. \nBut now, Trump and the crazies are an albatross that's driving away independents and losing them elections, and to make matters worse, some of the crazies are now in Congress and making the GOP brand even more toxic. \nSo the sane-but-vile members of the party are trying to push back, and you've even got a few of the crazies fighting each other because they can't help themselves.\nFucking hilarious to watch.",
">\n\nI think it is genuinely hilarious the GOP thought it could hold control post Trump. That’s not what happens after you make a lunatic your entire party.",
">\n\nLindsey Graham said it himself\n\n\"If we nominate Trump, we will get destroyed ... and we will deserve it\"\n\nIt just took longer than expected hopefully/potentially.\nAnd he's right they do deserve it, they're not treating people like people. They've always made in groups and out groups. They're against any and all progress but take credit for it anyways when it's well received.\nThey care only for themselves and govern to enrich themselves.\nTrump and this new brand of GOP are the culmination of decades of republican policies. People who aren't in on the \"joke\" and genuinely believe what they're saying.",
">\n\nI love when Lindsey Graham gets it perfectly right but then backtracks after a nice golf game with fellow Republicans."
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Getting book deals once the leopards began to eat their faces.
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[
"Just how I like my GOP",
">\n\nIt's the inevitable outcome of the GOP's Faustian bargain with Trump. They could have chucked him aside any number of times, but they wanted the votes from the crazies that he attracts. \nBut now, Trump and the crazies are an albatross that's driving away independents and losing them elections, and to make matters worse, some of the crazies are now in Congress and making the GOP brand even more toxic. \nSo the sane-but-vile members of the party are trying to push back, and you've even got a few of the crazies fighting each other because they can't help themselves.\nFucking hilarious to watch.",
">\n\nI think it is genuinely hilarious the GOP thought it could hold control post Trump. That’s not what happens after you make a lunatic your entire party.",
">\n\nLindsey Graham said it himself\n\n\"If we nominate Trump, we will get destroyed ... and we will deserve it\"\n\nIt just took longer than expected hopefully/potentially.\nAnd he's right they do deserve it, they're not treating people like people. They've always made in groups and out groups. They're against any and all progress but take credit for it anyways when it's well received.\nThey care only for themselves and govern to enrich themselves.\nTrump and this new brand of GOP are the culmination of decades of republican policies. People who aren't in on the \"joke\" and genuinely believe what they're saying.",
">\n\nI love when Lindsey Graham gets it perfectly right but then backtracks after a nice golf game with fellow Republicans.",
">\n\nThat part. Also these “tell all” books from people who got inconvenient and only now raise the red flags."
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It hurt itself in its confusion!
|
[
"Just how I like my GOP",
">\n\nIt's the inevitable outcome of the GOP's Faustian bargain with Trump. They could have chucked him aside any number of times, but they wanted the votes from the crazies that he attracts. \nBut now, Trump and the crazies are an albatross that's driving away independents and losing them elections, and to make matters worse, some of the crazies are now in Congress and making the GOP brand even more toxic. \nSo the sane-but-vile members of the party are trying to push back, and you've even got a few of the crazies fighting each other because they can't help themselves.\nFucking hilarious to watch.",
">\n\nI think it is genuinely hilarious the GOP thought it could hold control post Trump. That’s not what happens after you make a lunatic your entire party.",
">\n\nLindsey Graham said it himself\n\n\"If we nominate Trump, we will get destroyed ... and we will deserve it\"\n\nIt just took longer than expected hopefully/potentially.\nAnd he's right they do deserve it, they're not treating people like people. They've always made in groups and out groups. They're against any and all progress but take credit for it anyways when it's well received.\nThey care only for themselves and govern to enrich themselves.\nTrump and this new brand of GOP are the culmination of decades of republican policies. People who aren't in on the \"joke\" and genuinely believe what they're saying.",
">\n\nI love when Lindsey Graham gets it perfectly right but then backtracks after a nice golf game with fellow Republicans.",
">\n\nThat part. Also these “tell all” books from people who got inconvenient and only now raise the red flags.",
">\n\nGetting book deals once the leopards began to eat their faces."
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Every second the GOP spends attacking itself is a second not spent attacking the American people.
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[
"Just how I like my GOP",
">\n\nIt's the inevitable outcome of the GOP's Faustian bargain with Trump. They could have chucked him aside any number of times, but they wanted the votes from the crazies that he attracts. \nBut now, Trump and the crazies are an albatross that's driving away independents and losing them elections, and to make matters worse, some of the crazies are now in Congress and making the GOP brand even more toxic. \nSo the sane-but-vile members of the party are trying to push back, and you've even got a few of the crazies fighting each other because they can't help themselves.\nFucking hilarious to watch.",
">\n\nI think it is genuinely hilarious the GOP thought it could hold control post Trump. That’s not what happens after you make a lunatic your entire party.",
">\n\nLindsey Graham said it himself\n\n\"If we nominate Trump, we will get destroyed ... and we will deserve it\"\n\nIt just took longer than expected hopefully/potentially.\nAnd he's right they do deserve it, they're not treating people like people. They've always made in groups and out groups. They're against any and all progress but take credit for it anyways when it's well received.\nThey care only for themselves and govern to enrich themselves.\nTrump and this new brand of GOP are the culmination of decades of republican policies. People who aren't in on the \"joke\" and genuinely believe what they're saying.",
">\n\nI love when Lindsey Graham gets it perfectly right but then backtracks after a nice golf game with fellow Republicans.",
">\n\nThat part. Also these “tell all” books from people who got inconvenient and only now raise the red flags.",
">\n\nGetting book deals once the leopards began to eat their faces.",
">\n\nIt hurt itself in its confusion!"
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I wouldn’t get your hopes up too much. This is a tradition during election season which pretty much begins as soon as midterms end. Once the presidential primaries end, everyone falls in line. Stay focused and vote.
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[
"Just how I like my GOP",
">\n\nIt's the inevitable outcome of the GOP's Faustian bargain with Trump. They could have chucked him aside any number of times, but they wanted the votes from the crazies that he attracts. \nBut now, Trump and the crazies are an albatross that's driving away independents and losing them elections, and to make matters worse, some of the crazies are now in Congress and making the GOP brand even more toxic. \nSo the sane-but-vile members of the party are trying to push back, and you've even got a few of the crazies fighting each other because they can't help themselves.\nFucking hilarious to watch.",
">\n\nI think it is genuinely hilarious the GOP thought it could hold control post Trump. That’s not what happens after you make a lunatic your entire party.",
">\n\nLindsey Graham said it himself\n\n\"If we nominate Trump, we will get destroyed ... and we will deserve it\"\n\nIt just took longer than expected hopefully/potentially.\nAnd he's right they do deserve it, they're not treating people like people. They've always made in groups and out groups. They're against any and all progress but take credit for it anyways when it's well received.\nThey care only for themselves and govern to enrich themselves.\nTrump and this new brand of GOP are the culmination of decades of republican policies. People who aren't in on the \"joke\" and genuinely believe what they're saying.",
">\n\nI love when Lindsey Graham gets it perfectly right but then backtracks after a nice golf game with fellow Republicans.",
">\n\nThat part. Also these “tell all” books from people who got inconvenient and only now raise the red flags.",
">\n\nGetting book deals once the leopards began to eat their faces.",
">\n\nIt hurt itself in its confusion!",
">\n\nEvery second the GOP spends attacking itself is a second not spent attacking the American people."
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It won't last. They always fall in line after primaries.
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[
"Just how I like my GOP",
">\n\nIt's the inevitable outcome of the GOP's Faustian bargain with Trump. They could have chucked him aside any number of times, but they wanted the votes from the crazies that he attracts. \nBut now, Trump and the crazies are an albatross that's driving away independents and losing them elections, and to make matters worse, some of the crazies are now in Congress and making the GOP brand even more toxic. \nSo the sane-but-vile members of the party are trying to push back, and you've even got a few of the crazies fighting each other because they can't help themselves.\nFucking hilarious to watch.",
">\n\nI think it is genuinely hilarious the GOP thought it could hold control post Trump. That’s not what happens after you make a lunatic your entire party.",
">\n\nLindsey Graham said it himself\n\n\"If we nominate Trump, we will get destroyed ... and we will deserve it\"\n\nIt just took longer than expected hopefully/potentially.\nAnd he's right they do deserve it, they're not treating people like people. They've always made in groups and out groups. They're against any and all progress but take credit for it anyways when it's well received.\nThey care only for themselves and govern to enrich themselves.\nTrump and this new brand of GOP are the culmination of decades of republican policies. People who aren't in on the \"joke\" and genuinely believe what they're saying.",
">\n\nI love when Lindsey Graham gets it perfectly right but then backtracks after a nice golf game with fellow Republicans.",
">\n\nThat part. Also these “tell all” books from people who got inconvenient and only now raise the red flags.",
">\n\nGetting book deals once the leopards began to eat their faces.",
">\n\nIt hurt itself in its confusion!",
">\n\nEvery second the GOP spends attacking itself is a second not spent attacking the American people.",
">\n\nI wouldn’t get your hopes up too much. This is a tradition during election season which pretty much begins as soon as midterms end. Once the presidential primaries end, everyone falls in line. Stay focused and vote."
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