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They should be concerned w chinese, it's spreading like wildfire in china. If we aren't careful, they will come out w covid 20.
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"People from China will travel through Europe and come in to America from the east coast like they did when the pandemic started. This will do nothing if all travelers aboard aren’t made to test.",
">\n\nLet's hope EU and other countries do the same.",
">\n\nI don't know if they will. Australia (for example) had some of the toughest Covid policies and they've essentially just thrown them all out the window.\nSo I don't know how willing countries are to go back to being overly concerned about Covid."
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It’s spreading everywhere including the USA. This policy has nothing to do with science or medicine. It’s just politics.
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"People from China will travel through Europe and come in to America from the east coast like they did when the pandemic started. This will do nothing if all travelers aboard aren’t made to test.",
">\n\nLet's hope EU and other countries do the same.",
">\n\nI don't know if they will. Australia (for example) had some of the toughest Covid policies and they've essentially just thrown them all out the window.\nSo I don't know how willing countries are to go back to being overly concerned about Covid.",
">\n\nThey should be concerned w chinese, it's spreading like wildfire in china. If we aren't careful, they will come out w covid 20."
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No. It’s circulating like mad in a population of 1 billion people who haven’t been exposed before. This is how new variants come about. Every country should require negative Covid test for china at least until it cycles through the population
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"People from China will travel through Europe and come in to America from the east coast like they did when the pandemic started. This will do nothing if all travelers aboard aren’t made to test.",
">\n\nLet's hope EU and other countries do the same.",
">\n\nI don't know if they will. Australia (for example) had some of the toughest Covid policies and they've essentially just thrown them all out the window.\nSo I don't know how willing countries are to go back to being overly concerned about Covid.",
">\n\nThey should be concerned w chinese, it's spreading like wildfire in china. If we aren't careful, they will come out w covid 20.",
">\n\nIt’s spreading everywhere including the USA. This policy has nothing to do with science or medicine. It’s just politics."
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No. It’s circulating like mad in a population of 1 billion people who haven’t been exposed before.
It's also spreading like mad in all the countries of the world including the USA.
This is how new variants come about.
And they have been for years now.
Every country should require negative Covid test for china at least until it cycles through the population
Only for political reasons. There is no scientific or rational demand for this.
I get it, you hate china, most americans hate china so just be honest and say what you really mean.
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"People from China will travel through Europe and come in to America from the east coast like they did when the pandemic started. This will do nothing if all travelers aboard aren’t made to test.",
">\n\nLet's hope EU and other countries do the same.",
">\n\nI don't know if they will. Australia (for example) had some of the toughest Covid policies and they've essentially just thrown them all out the window.\nSo I don't know how willing countries are to go back to being overly concerned about Covid.",
">\n\nThey should be concerned w chinese, it's spreading like wildfire in china. If we aren't careful, they will come out w covid 20.",
">\n\nIt’s spreading everywhere including the USA. This policy has nothing to do with science or medicine. It’s just politics.",
">\n\nNo. It’s circulating like mad in a population of 1 billion people who haven’t been exposed before. This is how new variants come about. Every country should require negative Covid test for china at least until it cycles through the population"
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Strains are spreading in the west yes, but there are new strains in China that are spreading and we don't know if our vaccines will work with those strains. We know the Chinese vaccines have a low efficacy rate and we know they are not mRNA vaccines which allow for easier adaptation to new strains. Making travelers with a Chinese passport take Covid tests at any and all airports is not racist or even unfair - a reminder that China has been relatively hard to travel to for the last 2 years because they were locked down to foreign travel as well. This is simply good policy from a public health measure, and you not wanting to see that for what it is and instead attribute it to a nascent American hatred for China is laughable. the World Health Organization estimated close to 800 million new cases in China in the next few months, with another estimate 4 million deaths and countless new strains coming out during that period. This is about protection populations, not punishing China.
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"People from China will travel through Europe and come in to America from the east coast like they did when the pandemic started. This will do nothing if all travelers aboard aren’t made to test.",
">\n\nLet's hope EU and other countries do the same.",
">\n\nI don't know if they will. Australia (for example) had some of the toughest Covid policies and they've essentially just thrown them all out the window.\nSo I don't know how willing countries are to go back to being overly concerned about Covid.",
">\n\nThey should be concerned w chinese, it's spreading like wildfire in china. If we aren't careful, they will come out w covid 20.",
">\n\nIt’s spreading everywhere including the USA. This policy has nothing to do with science or medicine. It’s just politics.",
">\n\nNo. It’s circulating like mad in a population of 1 billion people who haven’t been exposed before. This is how new variants come about. Every country should require negative Covid test for china at least until it cycles through the population",
">\n\n\nNo. It’s circulating like mad in a population of 1 billion people who haven’t been exposed before.\n\nIt's also spreading like mad in all the countries of the world including the USA.\n\nThis is how new variants come about. \n\nAnd they have been for years now.\n\nEvery country should require negative Covid test for china at least until it cycles through the population\n\nOnly for political reasons. There is no scientific or rational demand for this. \nI get it, you hate china, most americans hate china so just be honest and say what you really mean."
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Strains are spreading in the west yes, but there are new strains in China that are spreading and we don't know if our vaccines will work with those strains.
You don't know if vaccines work against any new variant even if that variant is from a country populated with white people.
We know the Chinese vaccines have a low efficacy rate and we know they are not mRNA vaccines which allow for easier adaptation to new strains.
The vaccine doesn't adapt once inside of your body you know that right?
Making travelers with a Chinese passport take Covid tests at any and all airports is not racist or even unfair
it's definitely unfair and probably racist as well.
his is simply good policy from a public health measure, a
A good policy would be to require vaccinations from everybody. Think about it, you are requiring a vaccine that you said doesn't even work. How much sense does that make?
attribute it to a nascent American hatred for China is laughable.
Nascent?
This is about protection populations, not punishing China.
It's definitely about punishing china, it's a part of the current cold war with China conducted by the USA.
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"People from China will travel through Europe and come in to America from the east coast like they did when the pandemic started. This will do nothing if all travelers aboard aren’t made to test.",
">\n\nLet's hope EU and other countries do the same.",
">\n\nI don't know if they will. Australia (for example) had some of the toughest Covid policies and they've essentially just thrown them all out the window.\nSo I don't know how willing countries are to go back to being overly concerned about Covid.",
">\n\nThey should be concerned w chinese, it's spreading like wildfire in china. If we aren't careful, they will come out w covid 20.",
">\n\nIt’s spreading everywhere including the USA. This policy has nothing to do with science or medicine. It’s just politics.",
">\n\nNo. It’s circulating like mad in a population of 1 billion people who haven’t been exposed before. This is how new variants come about. Every country should require negative Covid test for china at least until it cycles through the population",
">\n\n\nNo. It’s circulating like mad in a population of 1 billion people who haven’t been exposed before.\n\nIt's also spreading like mad in all the countries of the world including the USA.\n\nThis is how new variants come about. \n\nAnd they have been for years now.\n\nEvery country should require negative Covid test for china at least until it cycles through the population\n\nOnly for political reasons. There is no scientific or rational demand for this. \nI get it, you hate china, most americans hate china so just be honest and say what you really mean.",
">\n\nStrains are spreading in the west yes, but there are new strains in China that are spreading and we don't know if our vaccines will work with those strains. We know the Chinese vaccines have a low efficacy rate and we know they are not mRNA vaccines which allow for easier adaptation to new strains. Making travelers with a Chinese passport take Covid tests at any and all airports is not racist or even unfair - a reminder that China has been relatively hard to travel to for the last 2 years because they were locked down to foreign travel as well. This is simply good policy from a public health measure, and you not wanting to see that for what it is and instead attribute it to a nascent American hatred for China is laughable. the World Health Organization estimated close to 800 million new cases in China in the next few months, with another estimate 4 million deaths and countless new strains coming out during that period. This is about protection populations, not punishing China."
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You don't know if vaccines work against any new variant even if that variant is from a country populated with white people.
All the more reason to not invite more new strains into the country. White population or otherwise has nothing to do with it, expected rise in cases in China does.
The vaccine doesn't adapt once inside of your body you know that right?
You missed the point. The point i was making was that the Chinese medical system has not even approached Covid with an mRNA vaccine, and steadfastly refused to license western vaccines. If the vaccine most readily available in China has a 50% efficacy then the population is at more risk of contracting the virus and having negative results. The infection rates are increased with each new case of BA.7 (China is currently seeing each covid patient infecting on average 18 other people represented as 1:18, whereas the in US the rate is 1:3.9). Each of these factors increases the risk of developing new strains that are vaccine resistant.
it's definitely unfair and probably racist as well
Is it your position that nations cannot take any prescriptive action to prevent the spread of infected persons from other countries? Again i would remind you that China has basically been locked down for the last 2 years, with severe limitations to personal freedoms themselves. This is not based on race, but rather a government's inability to contain a contagious outbreak in their own country and not wanting it to spread.
A good policy would be to require vaccinations from everybody. Think about it, you are requiring a vaccine that you said doesn't even work. How much sense does that make?
That might be your definition on good policy, but it isn't mine and that isn't how the west does it. "I" am not requiring a vaccine that "I" said doesn't work - that was your suggestion not mine. Also, i said the efficacy of the Chinese vaccine is 50% - based on available information - i never said it didn't work, and i never said that it should be mandatory or required.
Nascent?
Poor and wrong word choice on my part it seems. What i meant was ascribing the US decision to require testing of Chinese travelers to racism because you believe that the US is racist is laughable. Taking a test to prove that you are covid negative is far less onerous on a traveler than most visa requirements.
It's definitely about punishing china, it's a part of the current cold war with China conducted by the USA.
Cite your sources. I could point to many Chinese government policies that i could say are part of the current cold war with the US without backing it up and it would be just as credible as what you said. Opinion is not a source, and not proof. You assume that the US government is racist, that this policy is racist and yet we have had travel bans imposed on other countries, as well as testing required for travelers from other countries imposed before, and other policies and so has China. For goodness sake China has been closed to foreigners for almost 3 years, and is still closed to foreign travel until January 2023. Is that a racist policy as well?
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"People from China will travel through Europe and come in to America from the east coast like they did when the pandemic started. This will do nothing if all travelers aboard aren’t made to test.",
">\n\nLet's hope EU and other countries do the same.",
">\n\nI don't know if they will. Australia (for example) had some of the toughest Covid policies and they've essentially just thrown them all out the window.\nSo I don't know how willing countries are to go back to being overly concerned about Covid.",
">\n\nThey should be concerned w chinese, it's spreading like wildfire in china. If we aren't careful, they will come out w covid 20.",
">\n\nIt’s spreading everywhere including the USA. This policy has nothing to do with science or medicine. It’s just politics.",
">\n\nNo. It’s circulating like mad in a population of 1 billion people who haven’t been exposed before. This is how new variants come about. Every country should require negative Covid test for china at least until it cycles through the population",
">\n\n\nNo. It’s circulating like mad in a population of 1 billion people who haven’t been exposed before.\n\nIt's also spreading like mad in all the countries of the world including the USA.\n\nThis is how new variants come about. \n\nAnd they have been for years now.\n\nEvery country should require negative Covid test for china at least until it cycles through the population\n\nOnly for political reasons. There is no scientific or rational demand for this. \nI get it, you hate china, most americans hate china so just be honest and say what you really mean.",
">\n\nStrains are spreading in the west yes, but there are new strains in China that are spreading and we don't know if our vaccines will work with those strains. We know the Chinese vaccines have a low efficacy rate and we know they are not mRNA vaccines which allow for easier adaptation to new strains. Making travelers with a Chinese passport take Covid tests at any and all airports is not racist or even unfair - a reminder that China has been relatively hard to travel to for the last 2 years because they were locked down to foreign travel as well. This is simply good policy from a public health measure, and you not wanting to see that for what it is and instead attribute it to a nascent American hatred for China is laughable. the World Health Organization estimated close to 800 million new cases in China in the next few months, with another estimate 4 million deaths and countless new strains coming out during that period. This is about protection populations, not punishing China.",
">\n\n\nStrains are spreading in the west yes, but there are new strains in China that are spreading and we don't know if our vaccines will work with those strains.\n\nYou don't know if vaccines work against any new variant even if that variant is from a country populated with white people.\n\nWe know the Chinese vaccines have a low efficacy rate and we know they are not mRNA vaccines which allow for easier adaptation to new strains. \n\nThe vaccine doesn't adapt once inside of your body you know that right?\n\nMaking travelers with a Chinese passport take Covid tests at any and all airports is not racist or even unfair \n\nit's definitely unfair and probably racist as well.\n\nhis is simply good policy from a public health measure, a\n\nA good policy would be to require vaccinations from everybody. Think about it, you are requiring a vaccine that you said doesn't even work. How much sense does that make?\n\nattribute it to a nascent American hatred for China is laughable.\n\nNascent?\n\nThis is about protection populations, not punishing China.\n\nIt's definitely about punishing china, it's a part of the current cold war with China conducted by the USA."
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Here we go again.
This time I think I'll learn French cooking.
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"People from China will travel through Europe and come in to America from the east coast like they did when the pandemic started. This will do nothing if all travelers aboard aren’t made to test.",
">\n\nLet's hope EU and other countries do the same.",
">\n\nI don't know if they will. Australia (for example) had some of the toughest Covid policies and they've essentially just thrown them all out the window.\nSo I don't know how willing countries are to go back to being overly concerned about Covid.",
">\n\nThey should be concerned w chinese, it's spreading like wildfire in china. If we aren't careful, they will come out w covid 20.",
">\n\nIt’s spreading everywhere including the USA. This policy has nothing to do with science or medicine. It’s just politics.",
">\n\nNo. It’s circulating like mad in a population of 1 billion people who haven’t been exposed before. This is how new variants come about. Every country should require negative Covid test for china at least until it cycles through the population",
">\n\n\nNo. It’s circulating like mad in a population of 1 billion people who haven’t been exposed before.\n\nIt's also spreading like mad in all the countries of the world including the USA.\n\nThis is how new variants come about. \n\nAnd they have been for years now.\n\nEvery country should require negative Covid test for china at least until it cycles through the population\n\nOnly for political reasons. There is no scientific or rational demand for this. \nI get it, you hate china, most americans hate china so just be honest and say what you really mean.",
">\n\nStrains are spreading in the west yes, but there are new strains in China that are spreading and we don't know if our vaccines will work with those strains. We know the Chinese vaccines have a low efficacy rate and we know they are not mRNA vaccines which allow for easier adaptation to new strains. Making travelers with a Chinese passport take Covid tests at any and all airports is not racist or even unfair - a reminder that China has been relatively hard to travel to for the last 2 years because they were locked down to foreign travel as well. This is simply good policy from a public health measure, and you not wanting to see that for what it is and instead attribute it to a nascent American hatred for China is laughable. the World Health Organization estimated close to 800 million new cases in China in the next few months, with another estimate 4 million deaths and countless new strains coming out during that period. This is about protection populations, not punishing China.",
">\n\n\nStrains are spreading in the west yes, but there are new strains in China that are spreading and we don't know if our vaccines will work with those strains.\n\nYou don't know if vaccines work against any new variant even if that variant is from a country populated with white people.\n\nWe know the Chinese vaccines have a low efficacy rate and we know they are not mRNA vaccines which allow for easier adaptation to new strains. \n\nThe vaccine doesn't adapt once inside of your body you know that right?\n\nMaking travelers with a Chinese passport take Covid tests at any and all airports is not racist or even unfair \n\nit's definitely unfair and probably racist as well.\n\nhis is simply good policy from a public health measure, a\n\nA good policy would be to require vaccinations from everybody. Think about it, you are requiring a vaccine that you said doesn't even work. How much sense does that make?\n\nattribute it to a nascent American hatred for China is laughable.\n\nNascent?\n\nThis is about protection populations, not punishing China.\n\nIt's definitely about punishing china, it's a part of the current cold war with China conducted by the USA.",
">\n\n\nYou don't know if vaccines work against any new variant even if that variant is from a country populated with white people.\n\nAll the more reason to not invite more new strains into the country. White population or otherwise has nothing to do with it, expected rise in cases in China does.\n\nThe vaccine doesn't adapt once inside of your body you know that right?\n\nYou missed the point. The point i was making was that the Chinese medical system has not even approached Covid with an mRNA vaccine, and steadfastly refused to license western vaccines. If the vaccine most readily available in China has a 50% efficacy then the population is at more risk of contracting the virus and having negative results. The infection rates are increased with each new case of BA.7 (China is currently seeing each covid patient infecting on average 18 other people represented as 1:18, whereas the in US the rate is 1:3.9). Each of these factors increases the risk of developing new strains that are vaccine resistant. \n\nit's definitely unfair and probably racist as well\n\nIs it your position that nations cannot take any prescriptive action to prevent the spread of infected persons from other countries? Again i would remind you that China has basically been locked down for the last 2 years, with severe limitations to personal freedoms themselves. This is not based on race, but rather a government's inability to contain a contagious outbreak in their own country and not wanting it to spread. \n\nA good policy would be to require vaccinations from everybody. Think about it, you are requiring a vaccine that you said doesn't even work. How much sense does that make?\n\nThat might be your definition on good policy, but it isn't mine and that isn't how the west does it. \"I\" am not requiring a vaccine that \"I\" said doesn't work - that was your suggestion not mine. Also, i said the efficacy of the Chinese vaccine is 50% - based on available information - i never said it didn't work, and i never said that it should be mandatory or required.\n\nNascent?\n\nPoor and wrong word choice on my part it seems. What i meant was ascribing the US decision to require testing of Chinese travelers to racism because you believe that the US is racist is laughable. Taking a test to prove that you are covid negative is far less onerous on a traveler than most visa requirements.\n\nIt's definitely about punishing china, it's a part of the current cold war with China conducted by the USA.\n\nCite your sources. I could point to many Chinese government policies that i could say are part of the current cold war with the US without backing it up and it would be just as credible as what you said. Opinion is not a source, and not proof. You assume that the US government is racist, that this policy is racist and yet we have had travel bans imposed on other countries, as well as testing required for travelers from other countries imposed before, and other policies and so has China. For goodness sake China has been closed to foreigners for almost 3 years, and is still closed to foreign travel until January 2023. Is that a racist policy as well?"
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5000 People a day will have to die before Anybody says the word Lock down in the States ever again.
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"People from China will travel through Europe and come in to America from the east coast like they did when the pandemic started. This will do nothing if all travelers aboard aren’t made to test.",
">\n\nLet's hope EU and other countries do the same.",
">\n\nI don't know if they will. Australia (for example) had some of the toughest Covid policies and they've essentially just thrown them all out the window.\nSo I don't know how willing countries are to go back to being overly concerned about Covid.",
">\n\nThey should be concerned w chinese, it's spreading like wildfire in china. If we aren't careful, they will come out w covid 20.",
">\n\nIt’s spreading everywhere including the USA. This policy has nothing to do with science or medicine. It’s just politics.",
">\n\nNo. It’s circulating like mad in a population of 1 billion people who haven’t been exposed before. This is how new variants come about. Every country should require negative Covid test for china at least until it cycles through the population",
">\n\n\nNo. It’s circulating like mad in a population of 1 billion people who haven’t been exposed before.\n\nIt's also spreading like mad in all the countries of the world including the USA.\n\nThis is how new variants come about. \n\nAnd they have been for years now.\n\nEvery country should require negative Covid test for china at least until it cycles through the population\n\nOnly for political reasons. There is no scientific or rational demand for this. \nI get it, you hate china, most americans hate china so just be honest and say what you really mean.",
">\n\nStrains are spreading in the west yes, but there are new strains in China that are spreading and we don't know if our vaccines will work with those strains. We know the Chinese vaccines have a low efficacy rate and we know they are not mRNA vaccines which allow for easier adaptation to new strains. Making travelers with a Chinese passport take Covid tests at any and all airports is not racist or even unfair - a reminder that China has been relatively hard to travel to for the last 2 years because they were locked down to foreign travel as well. This is simply good policy from a public health measure, and you not wanting to see that for what it is and instead attribute it to a nascent American hatred for China is laughable. the World Health Organization estimated close to 800 million new cases in China in the next few months, with another estimate 4 million deaths and countless new strains coming out during that period. This is about protection populations, not punishing China.",
">\n\n\nStrains are spreading in the west yes, but there are new strains in China that are spreading and we don't know if our vaccines will work with those strains.\n\nYou don't know if vaccines work against any new variant even if that variant is from a country populated with white people.\n\nWe know the Chinese vaccines have a low efficacy rate and we know they are not mRNA vaccines which allow for easier adaptation to new strains. \n\nThe vaccine doesn't adapt once inside of your body you know that right?\n\nMaking travelers with a Chinese passport take Covid tests at any and all airports is not racist or even unfair \n\nit's definitely unfair and probably racist as well.\n\nhis is simply good policy from a public health measure, a\n\nA good policy would be to require vaccinations from everybody. Think about it, you are requiring a vaccine that you said doesn't even work. How much sense does that make?\n\nattribute it to a nascent American hatred for China is laughable.\n\nNascent?\n\nThis is about protection populations, not punishing China.\n\nIt's definitely about punishing china, it's a part of the current cold war with China conducted by the USA.",
">\n\n\nYou don't know if vaccines work against any new variant even if that variant is from a country populated with white people.\n\nAll the more reason to not invite more new strains into the country. White population or otherwise has nothing to do with it, expected rise in cases in China does.\n\nThe vaccine doesn't adapt once inside of your body you know that right?\n\nYou missed the point. The point i was making was that the Chinese medical system has not even approached Covid with an mRNA vaccine, and steadfastly refused to license western vaccines. If the vaccine most readily available in China has a 50% efficacy then the population is at more risk of contracting the virus and having negative results. The infection rates are increased with each new case of BA.7 (China is currently seeing each covid patient infecting on average 18 other people represented as 1:18, whereas the in US the rate is 1:3.9). Each of these factors increases the risk of developing new strains that are vaccine resistant. \n\nit's definitely unfair and probably racist as well\n\nIs it your position that nations cannot take any prescriptive action to prevent the spread of infected persons from other countries? Again i would remind you that China has basically been locked down for the last 2 years, with severe limitations to personal freedoms themselves. This is not based on race, but rather a government's inability to contain a contagious outbreak in their own country and not wanting it to spread. \n\nA good policy would be to require vaccinations from everybody. Think about it, you are requiring a vaccine that you said doesn't even work. How much sense does that make?\n\nThat might be your definition on good policy, but it isn't mine and that isn't how the west does it. \"I\" am not requiring a vaccine that \"I\" said doesn't work - that was your suggestion not mine. Also, i said the efficacy of the Chinese vaccine is 50% - based on available information - i never said it didn't work, and i never said that it should be mandatory or required.\n\nNascent?\n\nPoor and wrong word choice on my part it seems. What i meant was ascribing the US decision to require testing of Chinese travelers to racism because you believe that the US is racist is laughable. Taking a test to prove that you are covid negative is far less onerous on a traveler than most visa requirements.\n\nIt's definitely about punishing china, it's a part of the current cold war with China conducted by the USA.\n\nCite your sources. I could point to many Chinese government policies that i could say are part of the current cold war with the US without backing it up and it would be just as credible as what you said. Opinion is not a source, and not proof. You assume that the US government is racist, that this policy is racist and yet we have had travel bans imposed on other countries, as well as testing required for travelers from other countries imposed before, and other policies and so has China. For goodness sake China has been closed to foreigners for almost 3 years, and is still closed to foreign travel until January 2023. Is that a racist policy as well?",
">\n\nHere we go again.\nThis time I think I'll learn French cooking."
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Don’t understand why people can’t handle staying at home for two weeks when it could potentially eradicate a deadly virus. Are we that weak?
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"People from China will travel through Europe and come in to America from the east coast like they did when the pandemic started. This will do nothing if all travelers aboard aren’t made to test.",
">\n\nLet's hope EU and other countries do the same.",
">\n\nI don't know if they will. Australia (for example) had some of the toughest Covid policies and they've essentially just thrown them all out the window.\nSo I don't know how willing countries are to go back to being overly concerned about Covid.",
">\n\nThey should be concerned w chinese, it's spreading like wildfire in china. If we aren't careful, they will come out w covid 20.",
">\n\nIt’s spreading everywhere including the USA. This policy has nothing to do with science or medicine. It’s just politics.",
">\n\nNo. It’s circulating like mad in a population of 1 billion people who haven’t been exposed before. This is how new variants come about. Every country should require negative Covid test for china at least until it cycles through the population",
">\n\n\nNo. It’s circulating like mad in a population of 1 billion people who haven’t been exposed before.\n\nIt's also spreading like mad in all the countries of the world including the USA.\n\nThis is how new variants come about. \n\nAnd they have been for years now.\n\nEvery country should require negative Covid test for china at least until it cycles through the population\n\nOnly for political reasons. There is no scientific or rational demand for this. \nI get it, you hate china, most americans hate china so just be honest and say what you really mean.",
">\n\nStrains are spreading in the west yes, but there are new strains in China that are spreading and we don't know if our vaccines will work with those strains. We know the Chinese vaccines have a low efficacy rate and we know they are not mRNA vaccines which allow for easier adaptation to new strains. Making travelers with a Chinese passport take Covid tests at any and all airports is not racist or even unfair - a reminder that China has been relatively hard to travel to for the last 2 years because they were locked down to foreign travel as well. This is simply good policy from a public health measure, and you not wanting to see that for what it is and instead attribute it to a nascent American hatred for China is laughable. the World Health Organization estimated close to 800 million new cases in China in the next few months, with another estimate 4 million deaths and countless new strains coming out during that period. This is about protection populations, not punishing China.",
">\n\n\nStrains are spreading in the west yes, but there are new strains in China that are spreading and we don't know if our vaccines will work with those strains.\n\nYou don't know if vaccines work against any new variant even if that variant is from a country populated with white people.\n\nWe know the Chinese vaccines have a low efficacy rate and we know they are not mRNA vaccines which allow for easier adaptation to new strains. \n\nThe vaccine doesn't adapt once inside of your body you know that right?\n\nMaking travelers with a Chinese passport take Covid tests at any and all airports is not racist or even unfair \n\nit's definitely unfair and probably racist as well.\n\nhis is simply good policy from a public health measure, a\n\nA good policy would be to require vaccinations from everybody. Think about it, you are requiring a vaccine that you said doesn't even work. How much sense does that make?\n\nattribute it to a nascent American hatred for China is laughable.\n\nNascent?\n\nThis is about protection populations, not punishing China.\n\nIt's definitely about punishing china, it's a part of the current cold war with China conducted by the USA.",
">\n\n\nYou don't know if vaccines work against any new variant even if that variant is from a country populated with white people.\n\nAll the more reason to not invite more new strains into the country. White population or otherwise has nothing to do with it, expected rise in cases in China does.\n\nThe vaccine doesn't adapt once inside of your body you know that right?\n\nYou missed the point. The point i was making was that the Chinese medical system has not even approached Covid with an mRNA vaccine, and steadfastly refused to license western vaccines. If the vaccine most readily available in China has a 50% efficacy then the population is at more risk of contracting the virus and having negative results. The infection rates are increased with each new case of BA.7 (China is currently seeing each covid patient infecting on average 18 other people represented as 1:18, whereas the in US the rate is 1:3.9). Each of these factors increases the risk of developing new strains that are vaccine resistant. \n\nit's definitely unfair and probably racist as well\n\nIs it your position that nations cannot take any prescriptive action to prevent the spread of infected persons from other countries? Again i would remind you that China has basically been locked down for the last 2 years, with severe limitations to personal freedoms themselves. This is not based on race, but rather a government's inability to contain a contagious outbreak in their own country and not wanting it to spread. \n\nA good policy would be to require vaccinations from everybody. Think about it, you are requiring a vaccine that you said doesn't even work. How much sense does that make?\n\nThat might be your definition on good policy, but it isn't mine and that isn't how the west does it. \"I\" am not requiring a vaccine that \"I\" said doesn't work - that was your suggestion not mine. Also, i said the efficacy of the Chinese vaccine is 50% - based on available information - i never said it didn't work, and i never said that it should be mandatory or required.\n\nNascent?\n\nPoor and wrong word choice on my part it seems. What i meant was ascribing the US decision to require testing of Chinese travelers to racism because you believe that the US is racist is laughable. Taking a test to prove that you are covid negative is far less onerous on a traveler than most visa requirements.\n\nIt's definitely about punishing china, it's a part of the current cold war with China conducted by the USA.\n\nCite your sources. I could point to many Chinese government policies that i could say are part of the current cold war with the US without backing it up and it would be just as credible as what you said. Opinion is not a source, and not proof. You assume that the US government is racist, that this policy is racist and yet we have had travel bans imposed on other countries, as well as testing required for travelers from other countries imposed before, and other policies and so has China. For goodness sake China has been closed to foreigners for almost 3 years, and is still closed to foreign travel until January 2023. Is that a racist policy as well?",
">\n\nHere we go again.\nThis time I think I'll learn French cooking.",
">\n\n5000 People a day will have to die before Anybody says the word Lock down in the States ever again."
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We did that in large part in March 2020. And did China not spend years locking down their citizens?
Peoples savings are gone. They need to work.
Wearing a mask would do a lot to help the issue but people aren’t willing to do that anymore.
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"People from China will travel through Europe and come in to America from the east coast like they did when the pandemic started. This will do nothing if all travelers aboard aren’t made to test.",
">\n\nLet's hope EU and other countries do the same.",
">\n\nI don't know if they will. Australia (for example) had some of the toughest Covid policies and they've essentially just thrown them all out the window.\nSo I don't know how willing countries are to go back to being overly concerned about Covid.",
">\n\nThey should be concerned w chinese, it's spreading like wildfire in china. If we aren't careful, they will come out w covid 20.",
">\n\nIt’s spreading everywhere including the USA. This policy has nothing to do with science or medicine. It’s just politics.",
">\n\nNo. It’s circulating like mad in a population of 1 billion people who haven’t been exposed before. This is how new variants come about. Every country should require negative Covid test for china at least until it cycles through the population",
">\n\n\nNo. It’s circulating like mad in a population of 1 billion people who haven’t been exposed before.\n\nIt's also spreading like mad in all the countries of the world including the USA.\n\nThis is how new variants come about. \n\nAnd they have been for years now.\n\nEvery country should require negative Covid test for china at least until it cycles through the population\n\nOnly for political reasons. There is no scientific or rational demand for this. \nI get it, you hate china, most americans hate china so just be honest and say what you really mean.",
">\n\nStrains are spreading in the west yes, but there are new strains in China that are spreading and we don't know if our vaccines will work with those strains. We know the Chinese vaccines have a low efficacy rate and we know they are not mRNA vaccines which allow for easier adaptation to new strains. Making travelers with a Chinese passport take Covid tests at any and all airports is not racist or even unfair - a reminder that China has been relatively hard to travel to for the last 2 years because they were locked down to foreign travel as well. This is simply good policy from a public health measure, and you not wanting to see that for what it is and instead attribute it to a nascent American hatred for China is laughable. the World Health Organization estimated close to 800 million new cases in China in the next few months, with another estimate 4 million deaths and countless new strains coming out during that period. This is about protection populations, not punishing China.",
">\n\n\nStrains are spreading in the west yes, but there are new strains in China that are spreading and we don't know if our vaccines will work with those strains.\n\nYou don't know if vaccines work against any new variant even if that variant is from a country populated with white people.\n\nWe know the Chinese vaccines have a low efficacy rate and we know they are not mRNA vaccines which allow for easier adaptation to new strains. \n\nThe vaccine doesn't adapt once inside of your body you know that right?\n\nMaking travelers with a Chinese passport take Covid tests at any and all airports is not racist or even unfair \n\nit's definitely unfair and probably racist as well.\n\nhis is simply good policy from a public health measure, a\n\nA good policy would be to require vaccinations from everybody. Think about it, you are requiring a vaccine that you said doesn't even work. How much sense does that make?\n\nattribute it to a nascent American hatred for China is laughable.\n\nNascent?\n\nThis is about protection populations, not punishing China.\n\nIt's definitely about punishing china, it's a part of the current cold war with China conducted by the USA.",
">\n\n\nYou don't know if vaccines work against any new variant even if that variant is from a country populated with white people.\n\nAll the more reason to not invite more new strains into the country. White population or otherwise has nothing to do with it, expected rise in cases in China does.\n\nThe vaccine doesn't adapt once inside of your body you know that right?\n\nYou missed the point. The point i was making was that the Chinese medical system has not even approached Covid with an mRNA vaccine, and steadfastly refused to license western vaccines. If the vaccine most readily available in China has a 50% efficacy then the population is at more risk of contracting the virus and having negative results. The infection rates are increased with each new case of BA.7 (China is currently seeing each covid patient infecting on average 18 other people represented as 1:18, whereas the in US the rate is 1:3.9). Each of these factors increases the risk of developing new strains that are vaccine resistant. \n\nit's definitely unfair and probably racist as well\n\nIs it your position that nations cannot take any prescriptive action to prevent the spread of infected persons from other countries? Again i would remind you that China has basically been locked down for the last 2 years, with severe limitations to personal freedoms themselves. This is not based on race, but rather a government's inability to contain a contagious outbreak in their own country and not wanting it to spread. \n\nA good policy would be to require vaccinations from everybody. Think about it, you are requiring a vaccine that you said doesn't even work. How much sense does that make?\n\nThat might be your definition on good policy, but it isn't mine and that isn't how the west does it. \"I\" am not requiring a vaccine that \"I\" said doesn't work - that was your suggestion not mine. Also, i said the efficacy of the Chinese vaccine is 50% - based on available information - i never said it didn't work, and i never said that it should be mandatory or required.\n\nNascent?\n\nPoor and wrong word choice on my part it seems. What i meant was ascribing the US decision to require testing of Chinese travelers to racism because you believe that the US is racist is laughable. Taking a test to prove that you are covid negative is far less onerous on a traveler than most visa requirements.\n\nIt's definitely about punishing china, it's a part of the current cold war with China conducted by the USA.\n\nCite your sources. I could point to many Chinese government policies that i could say are part of the current cold war with the US without backing it up and it would be just as credible as what you said. Opinion is not a source, and not proof. You assume that the US government is racist, that this policy is racist and yet we have had travel bans imposed on other countries, as well as testing required for travelers from other countries imposed before, and other policies and so has China. For goodness sake China has been closed to foreigners for almost 3 years, and is still closed to foreign travel until January 2023. Is that a racist policy as well?",
">\n\nHere we go again.\nThis time I think I'll learn French cooking.",
">\n\n5000 People a day will have to die before Anybody says the word Lock down in the States ever again.",
">\n\nDon’t understand why people can’t handle staying at home for two weeks when it could potentially eradicate a deadly virus. Are we that weak?"
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We didn't do that though. We didn't all lock down when we were supposed to. Where I work I had to go in from the very start all the way through. Most people, the majority of people, didn't stay home even if they didn't have work. Most people didn't fuck with masks or keeping a distance, and even people who weren't antivaccers didn't take the vaccine seriously for the longest time.
We had no fucking lock down, unless you were a well-off celebrity or comedian who wanted to talk about being locked down for content.
If people legit locked down, they would have taken a small hit financially, but too many people didn't do shit and prolonged everything.
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"People from China will travel through Europe and come in to America from the east coast like they did when the pandemic started. This will do nothing if all travelers aboard aren’t made to test.",
">\n\nLet's hope EU and other countries do the same.",
">\n\nI don't know if they will. Australia (for example) had some of the toughest Covid policies and they've essentially just thrown them all out the window.\nSo I don't know how willing countries are to go back to being overly concerned about Covid.",
">\n\nThey should be concerned w chinese, it's spreading like wildfire in china. If we aren't careful, they will come out w covid 20.",
">\n\nIt’s spreading everywhere including the USA. This policy has nothing to do with science or medicine. It’s just politics.",
">\n\nNo. It’s circulating like mad in a population of 1 billion people who haven’t been exposed before. This is how new variants come about. Every country should require negative Covid test for china at least until it cycles through the population",
">\n\n\nNo. It’s circulating like mad in a population of 1 billion people who haven’t been exposed before.\n\nIt's also spreading like mad in all the countries of the world including the USA.\n\nThis is how new variants come about. \n\nAnd they have been for years now.\n\nEvery country should require negative Covid test for china at least until it cycles through the population\n\nOnly for political reasons. There is no scientific or rational demand for this. \nI get it, you hate china, most americans hate china so just be honest and say what you really mean.",
">\n\nStrains are spreading in the west yes, but there are new strains in China that are spreading and we don't know if our vaccines will work with those strains. We know the Chinese vaccines have a low efficacy rate and we know they are not mRNA vaccines which allow for easier adaptation to new strains. Making travelers with a Chinese passport take Covid tests at any and all airports is not racist or even unfair - a reminder that China has been relatively hard to travel to for the last 2 years because they were locked down to foreign travel as well. This is simply good policy from a public health measure, and you not wanting to see that for what it is and instead attribute it to a nascent American hatred for China is laughable. the World Health Organization estimated close to 800 million new cases in China in the next few months, with another estimate 4 million deaths and countless new strains coming out during that period. This is about protection populations, not punishing China.",
">\n\n\nStrains are spreading in the west yes, but there are new strains in China that are spreading and we don't know if our vaccines will work with those strains.\n\nYou don't know if vaccines work against any new variant even if that variant is from a country populated with white people.\n\nWe know the Chinese vaccines have a low efficacy rate and we know they are not mRNA vaccines which allow for easier adaptation to new strains. \n\nThe vaccine doesn't adapt once inside of your body you know that right?\n\nMaking travelers with a Chinese passport take Covid tests at any and all airports is not racist or even unfair \n\nit's definitely unfair and probably racist as well.\n\nhis is simply good policy from a public health measure, a\n\nA good policy would be to require vaccinations from everybody. Think about it, you are requiring a vaccine that you said doesn't even work. How much sense does that make?\n\nattribute it to a nascent American hatred for China is laughable.\n\nNascent?\n\nThis is about protection populations, not punishing China.\n\nIt's definitely about punishing china, it's a part of the current cold war with China conducted by the USA.",
">\n\n\nYou don't know if vaccines work against any new variant even if that variant is from a country populated with white people.\n\nAll the more reason to not invite more new strains into the country. White population or otherwise has nothing to do with it, expected rise in cases in China does.\n\nThe vaccine doesn't adapt once inside of your body you know that right?\n\nYou missed the point. The point i was making was that the Chinese medical system has not even approached Covid with an mRNA vaccine, and steadfastly refused to license western vaccines. If the vaccine most readily available in China has a 50% efficacy then the population is at more risk of contracting the virus and having negative results. The infection rates are increased with each new case of BA.7 (China is currently seeing each covid patient infecting on average 18 other people represented as 1:18, whereas the in US the rate is 1:3.9). Each of these factors increases the risk of developing new strains that are vaccine resistant. \n\nit's definitely unfair and probably racist as well\n\nIs it your position that nations cannot take any prescriptive action to prevent the spread of infected persons from other countries? Again i would remind you that China has basically been locked down for the last 2 years, with severe limitations to personal freedoms themselves. This is not based on race, but rather a government's inability to contain a contagious outbreak in their own country and not wanting it to spread. \n\nA good policy would be to require vaccinations from everybody. Think about it, you are requiring a vaccine that you said doesn't even work. How much sense does that make?\n\nThat might be your definition on good policy, but it isn't mine and that isn't how the west does it. \"I\" am not requiring a vaccine that \"I\" said doesn't work - that was your suggestion not mine. Also, i said the efficacy of the Chinese vaccine is 50% - based on available information - i never said it didn't work, and i never said that it should be mandatory or required.\n\nNascent?\n\nPoor and wrong word choice on my part it seems. What i meant was ascribing the US decision to require testing of Chinese travelers to racism because you believe that the US is racist is laughable. Taking a test to prove that you are covid negative is far less onerous on a traveler than most visa requirements.\n\nIt's definitely about punishing china, it's a part of the current cold war with China conducted by the USA.\n\nCite your sources. I could point to many Chinese government policies that i could say are part of the current cold war with the US without backing it up and it would be just as credible as what you said. Opinion is not a source, and not proof. You assume that the US government is racist, that this policy is racist and yet we have had travel bans imposed on other countries, as well as testing required for travelers from other countries imposed before, and other policies and so has China. For goodness sake China has been closed to foreigners for almost 3 years, and is still closed to foreign travel until January 2023. Is that a racist policy as well?",
">\n\nHere we go again.\nThis time I think I'll learn French cooking.",
">\n\n5000 People a day will have to die before Anybody says the word Lock down in the States ever again.",
">\n\nDon’t understand why people can’t handle staying at home for two weeks when it could potentially eradicate a deadly virus. Are we that weak?",
">\n\nWe did that in large part in March 2020. And did China not spend years locking down their citizens? \nPeoples savings are gone. They need to work. \nWearing a mask would do a lot to help the issue but people aren’t willing to do that anymore."
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The things is that it doesn't take long to drain peoples saving - becuase the overwhelming majority of people have practically none.
So an extended lockdown was never feasible unless the government was willing to pay several trillion dollars of expenses, not just 2 or 3 times but several times over.
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"People from China will travel through Europe and come in to America from the east coast like they did when the pandemic started. This will do nothing if all travelers aboard aren’t made to test.",
">\n\nLet's hope EU and other countries do the same.",
">\n\nI don't know if they will. Australia (for example) had some of the toughest Covid policies and they've essentially just thrown them all out the window.\nSo I don't know how willing countries are to go back to being overly concerned about Covid.",
">\n\nThey should be concerned w chinese, it's spreading like wildfire in china. If we aren't careful, they will come out w covid 20.",
">\n\nIt’s spreading everywhere including the USA. This policy has nothing to do with science or medicine. It’s just politics.",
">\n\nNo. It’s circulating like mad in a population of 1 billion people who haven’t been exposed before. This is how new variants come about. Every country should require negative Covid test for china at least until it cycles through the population",
">\n\n\nNo. It’s circulating like mad in a population of 1 billion people who haven’t been exposed before.\n\nIt's also spreading like mad in all the countries of the world including the USA.\n\nThis is how new variants come about. \n\nAnd they have been for years now.\n\nEvery country should require negative Covid test for china at least until it cycles through the population\n\nOnly for political reasons. There is no scientific or rational demand for this. \nI get it, you hate china, most americans hate china so just be honest and say what you really mean.",
">\n\nStrains are spreading in the west yes, but there are new strains in China that are spreading and we don't know if our vaccines will work with those strains. We know the Chinese vaccines have a low efficacy rate and we know they are not mRNA vaccines which allow for easier adaptation to new strains. Making travelers with a Chinese passport take Covid tests at any and all airports is not racist or even unfair - a reminder that China has been relatively hard to travel to for the last 2 years because they were locked down to foreign travel as well. This is simply good policy from a public health measure, and you not wanting to see that for what it is and instead attribute it to a nascent American hatred for China is laughable. the World Health Organization estimated close to 800 million new cases in China in the next few months, with another estimate 4 million deaths and countless new strains coming out during that period. This is about protection populations, not punishing China.",
">\n\n\nStrains are spreading in the west yes, but there are new strains in China that are spreading and we don't know if our vaccines will work with those strains.\n\nYou don't know if vaccines work against any new variant even if that variant is from a country populated with white people.\n\nWe know the Chinese vaccines have a low efficacy rate and we know they are not mRNA vaccines which allow for easier adaptation to new strains. \n\nThe vaccine doesn't adapt once inside of your body you know that right?\n\nMaking travelers with a Chinese passport take Covid tests at any and all airports is not racist or even unfair \n\nit's definitely unfair and probably racist as well.\n\nhis is simply good policy from a public health measure, a\n\nA good policy would be to require vaccinations from everybody. Think about it, you are requiring a vaccine that you said doesn't even work. How much sense does that make?\n\nattribute it to a nascent American hatred for China is laughable.\n\nNascent?\n\nThis is about protection populations, not punishing China.\n\nIt's definitely about punishing china, it's a part of the current cold war with China conducted by the USA.",
">\n\n\nYou don't know if vaccines work against any new variant even if that variant is from a country populated with white people.\n\nAll the more reason to not invite more new strains into the country. White population or otherwise has nothing to do with it, expected rise in cases in China does.\n\nThe vaccine doesn't adapt once inside of your body you know that right?\n\nYou missed the point. The point i was making was that the Chinese medical system has not even approached Covid with an mRNA vaccine, and steadfastly refused to license western vaccines. If the vaccine most readily available in China has a 50% efficacy then the population is at more risk of contracting the virus and having negative results. The infection rates are increased with each new case of BA.7 (China is currently seeing each covid patient infecting on average 18 other people represented as 1:18, whereas the in US the rate is 1:3.9). Each of these factors increases the risk of developing new strains that are vaccine resistant. \n\nit's definitely unfair and probably racist as well\n\nIs it your position that nations cannot take any prescriptive action to prevent the spread of infected persons from other countries? Again i would remind you that China has basically been locked down for the last 2 years, with severe limitations to personal freedoms themselves. This is not based on race, but rather a government's inability to contain a contagious outbreak in their own country and not wanting it to spread. \n\nA good policy would be to require vaccinations from everybody. Think about it, you are requiring a vaccine that you said doesn't even work. How much sense does that make?\n\nThat might be your definition on good policy, but it isn't mine and that isn't how the west does it. \"I\" am not requiring a vaccine that \"I\" said doesn't work - that was your suggestion not mine. Also, i said the efficacy of the Chinese vaccine is 50% - based on available information - i never said it didn't work, and i never said that it should be mandatory or required.\n\nNascent?\n\nPoor and wrong word choice on my part it seems. What i meant was ascribing the US decision to require testing of Chinese travelers to racism because you believe that the US is racist is laughable. Taking a test to prove that you are covid negative is far less onerous on a traveler than most visa requirements.\n\nIt's definitely about punishing china, it's a part of the current cold war with China conducted by the USA.\n\nCite your sources. I could point to many Chinese government policies that i could say are part of the current cold war with the US without backing it up and it would be just as credible as what you said. Opinion is not a source, and not proof. You assume that the US government is racist, that this policy is racist and yet we have had travel bans imposed on other countries, as well as testing required for travelers from other countries imposed before, and other policies and so has China. For goodness sake China has been closed to foreigners for almost 3 years, and is still closed to foreign travel until January 2023. Is that a racist policy as well?",
">\n\nHere we go again.\nThis time I think I'll learn French cooking.",
">\n\n5000 People a day will have to die before Anybody says the word Lock down in the States ever again.",
">\n\nDon’t understand why people can’t handle staying at home for two weeks when it could potentially eradicate a deadly virus. Are we that weak?",
">\n\nWe did that in large part in March 2020. And did China not spend years locking down their citizens? \nPeoples savings are gone. They need to work. \nWearing a mask would do a lot to help the issue but people aren’t willing to do that anymore.",
">\n\nWe didn't do that though. We didn't all lock down when we were supposed to. Where I work I had to go in from the very start all the way through. Most people, the majority of people, didn't stay home even if they didn't have work. Most people didn't fuck with masks or keeping a distance, and even people who weren't antivaccers didn't take the vaccine seriously for the longest time. \nWe had no fucking lock down, unless you were a well-off celebrity or comedian who wanted to talk about being locked down for content. \nIf people legit locked down, they would have taken a small hit financially, but too many people didn't do shit and prolonged everything."
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I didn't dispute any of what you said. I pointed out that most people actively contested any safety measure and most people didn't actually lock down. Any extension will almost certainly be the fault of most of those people.
I'd gladly let them all die if it meant the few people who did take things seriously didn't have to live through a Walking Dead scenario or have to take a huge financial hit because them.
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"People from China will travel through Europe and come in to America from the east coast like they did when the pandemic started. This will do nothing if all travelers aboard aren’t made to test.",
">\n\nLet's hope EU and other countries do the same.",
">\n\nI don't know if they will. Australia (for example) had some of the toughest Covid policies and they've essentially just thrown them all out the window.\nSo I don't know how willing countries are to go back to being overly concerned about Covid.",
">\n\nThey should be concerned w chinese, it's spreading like wildfire in china. If we aren't careful, they will come out w covid 20.",
">\n\nIt’s spreading everywhere including the USA. This policy has nothing to do with science or medicine. It’s just politics.",
">\n\nNo. It’s circulating like mad in a population of 1 billion people who haven’t been exposed before. This is how new variants come about. Every country should require negative Covid test for china at least until it cycles through the population",
">\n\n\nNo. It’s circulating like mad in a population of 1 billion people who haven’t been exposed before.\n\nIt's also spreading like mad in all the countries of the world including the USA.\n\nThis is how new variants come about. \n\nAnd they have been for years now.\n\nEvery country should require negative Covid test for china at least until it cycles through the population\n\nOnly for political reasons. There is no scientific or rational demand for this. \nI get it, you hate china, most americans hate china so just be honest and say what you really mean.",
">\n\nStrains are spreading in the west yes, but there are new strains in China that are spreading and we don't know if our vaccines will work with those strains. We know the Chinese vaccines have a low efficacy rate and we know they are not mRNA vaccines which allow for easier adaptation to new strains. Making travelers with a Chinese passport take Covid tests at any and all airports is not racist or even unfair - a reminder that China has been relatively hard to travel to for the last 2 years because they were locked down to foreign travel as well. This is simply good policy from a public health measure, and you not wanting to see that for what it is and instead attribute it to a nascent American hatred for China is laughable. the World Health Organization estimated close to 800 million new cases in China in the next few months, with another estimate 4 million deaths and countless new strains coming out during that period. This is about protection populations, not punishing China.",
">\n\n\nStrains are spreading in the west yes, but there are new strains in China that are spreading and we don't know if our vaccines will work with those strains.\n\nYou don't know if vaccines work against any new variant even if that variant is from a country populated with white people.\n\nWe know the Chinese vaccines have a low efficacy rate and we know they are not mRNA vaccines which allow for easier adaptation to new strains. \n\nThe vaccine doesn't adapt once inside of your body you know that right?\n\nMaking travelers with a Chinese passport take Covid tests at any and all airports is not racist or even unfair \n\nit's definitely unfair and probably racist as well.\n\nhis is simply good policy from a public health measure, a\n\nA good policy would be to require vaccinations from everybody. Think about it, you are requiring a vaccine that you said doesn't even work. How much sense does that make?\n\nattribute it to a nascent American hatred for China is laughable.\n\nNascent?\n\nThis is about protection populations, not punishing China.\n\nIt's definitely about punishing china, it's a part of the current cold war with China conducted by the USA.",
">\n\n\nYou don't know if vaccines work against any new variant even if that variant is from a country populated with white people.\n\nAll the more reason to not invite more new strains into the country. White population or otherwise has nothing to do with it, expected rise in cases in China does.\n\nThe vaccine doesn't adapt once inside of your body you know that right?\n\nYou missed the point. The point i was making was that the Chinese medical system has not even approached Covid with an mRNA vaccine, and steadfastly refused to license western vaccines. If the vaccine most readily available in China has a 50% efficacy then the population is at more risk of contracting the virus and having negative results. The infection rates are increased with each new case of BA.7 (China is currently seeing each covid patient infecting on average 18 other people represented as 1:18, whereas the in US the rate is 1:3.9). Each of these factors increases the risk of developing new strains that are vaccine resistant. \n\nit's definitely unfair and probably racist as well\n\nIs it your position that nations cannot take any prescriptive action to prevent the spread of infected persons from other countries? Again i would remind you that China has basically been locked down for the last 2 years, with severe limitations to personal freedoms themselves. This is not based on race, but rather a government's inability to contain a contagious outbreak in their own country and not wanting it to spread. \n\nA good policy would be to require vaccinations from everybody. Think about it, you are requiring a vaccine that you said doesn't even work. How much sense does that make?\n\nThat might be your definition on good policy, but it isn't mine and that isn't how the west does it. \"I\" am not requiring a vaccine that \"I\" said doesn't work - that was your suggestion not mine. Also, i said the efficacy of the Chinese vaccine is 50% - based on available information - i never said it didn't work, and i never said that it should be mandatory or required.\n\nNascent?\n\nPoor and wrong word choice on my part it seems. What i meant was ascribing the US decision to require testing of Chinese travelers to racism because you believe that the US is racist is laughable. Taking a test to prove that you are covid negative is far less onerous on a traveler than most visa requirements.\n\nIt's definitely about punishing china, it's a part of the current cold war with China conducted by the USA.\n\nCite your sources. I could point to many Chinese government policies that i could say are part of the current cold war with the US without backing it up and it would be just as credible as what you said. Opinion is not a source, and not proof. You assume that the US government is racist, that this policy is racist and yet we have had travel bans imposed on other countries, as well as testing required for travelers from other countries imposed before, and other policies and so has China. For goodness sake China has been closed to foreigners for almost 3 years, and is still closed to foreign travel until January 2023. Is that a racist policy as well?",
">\n\nHere we go again.\nThis time I think I'll learn French cooking.",
">\n\n5000 People a day will have to die before Anybody says the word Lock down in the States ever again.",
">\n\nDon’t understand why people can’t handle staying at home for two weeks when it could potentially eradicate a deadly virus. Are we that weak?",
">\n\nWe did that in large part in March 2020. And did China not spend years locking down their citizens? \nPeoples savings are gone. They need to work. \nWearing a mask would do a lot to help the issue but people aren’t willing to do that anymore.",
">\n\nWe didn't do that though. We didn't all lock down when we were supposed to. Where I work I had to go in from the very start all the way through. Most people, the majority of people, didn't stay home even if they didn't have work. Most people didn't fuck with masks or keeping a distance, and even people who weren't antivaccers didn't take the vaccine seriously for the longest time. \nWe had no fucking lock down, unless you were a well-off celebrity or comedian who wanted to talk about being locked down for content. \nIf people legit locked down, they would have taken a small hit financially, but too many people didn't do shit and prolonged everything.",
">\n\nThe things is that it doesn't take long to drain peoples saving - becuase the overwhelming majority of people have practically none. \nSo an extended lockdown was never feasible unless the government was willing to pay several trillion dollars of expenses, not just 2 or 3 times but several times over."
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Most people did lock down just fine initially. After a few weeks turned into a month or more, yeah people got testy.
Additionally, a gigantic amount of people work in critical industries and simply cant stay home. Just keeping the lights and water on requires tens of millions of workers, plus industries like plants and refineries that simply cannot shut down without massive long-term consequences.
Reddit is full of office people who can WFH, the vast majority of people cant.
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"People from China will travel through Europe and come in to America from the east coast like they did when the pandemic started. This will do nothing if all travelers aboard aren’t made to test.",
">\n\nLet's hope EU and other countries do the same.",
">\n\nI don't know if they will. Australia (for example) had some of the toughest Covid policies and they've essentially just thrown them all out the window.\nSo I don't know how willing countries are to go back to being overly concerned about Covid.",
">\n\nThey should be concerned w chinese, it's spreading like wildfire in china. If we aren't careful, they will come out w covid 20.",
">\n\nIt’s spreading everywhere including the USA. This policy has nothing to do with science or medicine. It’s just politics.",
">\n\nNo. It’s circulating like mad in a population of 1 billion people who haven’t been exposed before. This is how new variants come about. Every country should require negative Covid test for china at least until it cycles through the population",
">\n\n\nNo. It’s circulating like mad in a population of 1 billion people who haven’t been exposed before.\n\nIt's also spreading like mad in all the countries of the world including the USA.\n\nThis is how new variants come about. \n\nAnd they have been for years now.\n\nEvery country should require negative Covid test for china at least until it cycles through the population\n\nOnly for political reasons. There is no scientific or rational demand for this. \nI get it, you hate china, most americans hate china so just be honest and say what you really mean.",
">\n\nStrains are spreading in the west yes, but there are new strains in China that are spreading and we don't know if our vaccines will work with those strains. We know the Chinese vaccines have a low efficacy rate and we know they are not mRNA vaccines which allow for easier adaptation to new strains. Making travelers with a Chinese passport take Covid tests at any and all airports is not racist or even unfair - a reminder that China has been relatively hard to travel to for the last 2 years because they were locked down to foreign travel as well. This is simply good policy from a public health measure, and you not wanting to see that for what it is and instead attribute it to a nascent American hatred for China is laughable. the World Health Organization estimated close to 800 million new cases in China in the next few months, with another estimate 4 million deaths and countless new strains coming out during that period. This is about protection populations, not punishing China.",
">\n\n\nStrains are spreading in the west yes, but there are new strains in China that are spreading and we don't know if our vaccines will work with those strains.\n\nYou don't know if vaccines work against any new variant even if that variant is from a country populated with white people.\n\nWe know the Chinese vaccines have a low efficacy rate and we know they are not mRNA vaccines which allow for easier adaptation to new strains. \n\nThe vaccine doesn't adapt once inside of your body you know that right?\n\nMaking travelers with a Chinese passport take Covid tests at any and all airports is not racist or even unfair \n\nit's definitely unfair and probably racist as well.\n\nhis is simply good policy from a public health measure, a\n\nA good policy would be to require vaccinations from everybody. Think about it, you are requiring a vaccine that you said doesn't even work. How much sense does that make?\n\nattribute it to a nascent American hatred for China is laughable.\n\nNascent?\n\nThis is about protection populations, not punishing China.\n\nIt's definitely about punishing china, it's a part of the current cold war with China conducted by the USA.",
">\n\n\nYou don't know if vaccines work against any new variant even if that variant is from a country populated with white people.\n\nAll the more reason to not invite more new strains into the country. White population or otherwise has nothing to do with it, expected rise in cases in China does.\n\nThe vaccine doesn't adapt once inside of your body you know that right?\n\nYou missed the point. The point i was making was that the Chinese medical system has not even approached Covid with an mRNA vaccine, and steadfastly refused to license western vaccines. If the vaccine most readily available in China has a 50% efficacy then the population is at more risk of contracting the virus and having negative results. The infection rates are increased with each new case of BA.7 (China is currently seeing each covid patient infecting on average 18 other people represented as 1:18, whereas the in US the rate is 1:3.9). Each of these factors increases the risk of developing new strains that are vaccine resistant. \n\nit's definitely unfair and probably racist as well\n\nIs it your position that nations cannot take any prescriptive action to prevent the spread of infected persons from other countries? Again i would remind you that China has basically been locked down for the last 2 years, with severe limitations to personal freedoms themselves. This is not based on race, but rather a government's inability to contain a contagious outbreak in their own country and not wanting it to spread. \n\nA good policy would be to require vaccinations from everybody. Think about it, you are requiring a vaccine that you said doesn't even work. How much sense does that make?\n\nThat might be your definition on good policy, but it isn't mine and that isn't how the west does it. \"I\" am not requiring a vaccine that \"I\" said doesn't work - that was your suggestion not mine. Also, i said the efficacy of the Chinese vaccine is 50% - based on available information - i never said it didn't work, and i never said that it should be mandatory or required.\n\nNascent?\n\nPoor and wrong word choice on my part it seems. What i meant was ascribing the US decision to require testing of Chinese travelers to racism because you believe that the US is racist is laughable. Taking a test to prove that you are covid negative is far less onerous on a traveler than most visa requirements.\n\nIt's definitely about punishing china, it's a part of the current cold war with China conducted by the USA.\n\nCite your sources. I could point to many Chinese government policies that i could say are part of the current cold war with the US without backing it up and it would be just as credible as what you said. Opinion is not a source, and not proof. You assume that the US government is racist, that this policy is racist and yet we have had travel bans imposed on other countries, as well as testing required for travelers from other countries imposed before, and other policies and so has China. For goodness sake China has been closed to foreigners for almost 3 years, and is still closed to foreign travel until January 2023. Is that a racist policy as well?",
">\n\nHere we go again.\nThis time I think I'll learn French cooking.",
">\n\n5000 People a day will have to die before Anybody says the word Lock down in the States ever again.",
">\n\nDon’t understand why people can’t handle staying at home for two weeks when it could potentially eradicate a deadly virus. Are we that weak?",
">\n\nWe did that in large part in March 2020. And did China not spend years locking down their citizens? \nPeoples savings are gone. They need to work. \nWearing a mask would do a lot to help the issue but people aren’t willing to do that anymore.",
">\n\nWe didn't do that though. We didn't all lock down when we were supposed to. Where I work I had to go in from the very start all the way through. Most people, the majority of people, didn't stay home even if they didn't have work. Most people didn't fuck with masks or keeping a distance, and even people who weren't antivaccers didn't take the vaccine seriously for the longest time. \nWe had no fucking lock down, unless you were a well-off celebrity or comedian who wanted to talk about being locked down for content. \nIf people legit locked down, they would have taken a small hit financially, but too many people didn't do shit and prolonged everything.",
">\n\nThe things is that it doesn't take long to drain peoples saving - becuase the overwhelming majority of people have practically none. \nSo an extended lockdown was never feasible unless the government was willing to pay several trillion dollars of expenses, not just 2 or 3 times but several times over.",
">\n\nI didn't dispute any of what you said. I pointed out that most people actively contested any safety measure and most people didn't actually lock down. Any extension will almost certainly be the fault of most of those people. \nI'd gladly let them all die if it meant the few people who did take things seriously didn't have to live through a Walking Dead scenario or have to take a huge financial hit because them."
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I was one of those who couldn't stay home. Right out of the gate most people gave up on almost all of it except when they were making a show of complying when they had to. There was a lot of cheating. I walk through a lot of different areas. The waves of patients and bodies we got at work tracked with that and became predictable.
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"People from China will travel through Europe and come in to America from the east coast like they did when the pandemic started. This will do nothing if all travelers aboard aren’t made to test.",
">\n\nLet's hope EU and other countries do the same.",
">\n\nI don't know if they will. Australia (for example) had some of the toughest Covid policies and they've essentially just thrown them all out the window.\nSo I don't know how willing countries are to go back to being overly concerned about Covid.",
">\n\nThey should be concerned w chinese, it's spreading like wildfire in china. If we aren't careful, they will come out w covid 20.",
">\n\nIt’s spreading everywhere including the USA. This policy has nothing to do with science or medicine. It’s just politics.",
">\n\nNo. It’s circulating like mad in a population of 1 billion people who haven’t been exposed before. This is how new variants come about. Every country should require negative Covid test for china at least until it cycles through the population",
">\n\n\nNo. It’s circulating like mad in a population of 1 billion people who haven’t been exposed before.\n\nIt's also spreading like mad in all the countries of the world including the USA.\n\nThis is how new variants come about. \n\nAnd they have been for years now.\n\nEvery country should require negative Covid test for china at least until it cycles through the population\n\nOnly for political reasons. There is no scientific or rational demand for this. \nI get it, you hate china, most americans hate china so just be honest and say what you really mean.",
">\n\nStrains are spreading in the west yes, but there are new strains in China that are spreading and we don't know if our vaccines will work with those strains. We know the Chinese vaccines have a low efficacy rate and we know they are not mRNA vaccines which allow for easier adaptation to new strains. Making travelers with a Chinese passport take Covid tests at any and all airports is not racist or even unfair - a reminder that China has been relatively hard to travel to for the last 2 years because they were locked down to foreign travel as well. This is simply good policy from a public health measure, and you not wanting to see that for what it is and instead attribute it to a nascent American hatred for China is laughable. the World Health Organization estimated close to 800 million new cases in China in the next few months, with another estimate 4 million deaths and countless new strains coming out during that period. This is about protection populations, not punishing China.",
">\n\n\nStrains are spreading in the west yes, but there are new strains in China that are spreading and we don't know if our vaccines will work with those strains.\n\nYou don't know if vaccines work against any new variant even if that variant is from a country populated with white people.\n\nWe know the Chinese vaccines have a low efficacy rate and we know they are not mRNA vaccines which allow for easier adaptation to new strains. \n\nThe vaccine doesn't adapt once inside of your body you know that right?\n\nMaking travelers with a Chinese passport take Covid tests at any and all airports is not racist or even unfair \n\nit's definitely unfair and probably racist as well.\n\nhis is simply good policy from a public health measure, a\n\nA good policy would be to require vaccinations from everybody. Think about it, you are requiring a vaccine that you said doesn't even work. How much sense does that make?\n\nattribute it to a nascent American hatred for China is laughable.\n\nNascent?\n\nThis is about protection populations, not punishing China.\n\nIt's definitely about punishing china, it's a part of the current cold war with China conducted by the USA.",
">\n\n\nYou don't know if vaccines work against any new variant even if that variant is from a country populated with white people.\n\nAll the more reason to not invite more new strains into the country. White population or otherwise has nothing to do with it, expected rise in cases in China does.\n\nThe vaccine doesn't adapt once inside of your body you know that right?\n\nYou missed the point. The point i was making was that the Chinese medical system has not even approached Covid with an mRNA vaccine, and steadfastly refused to license western vaccines. If the vaccine most readily available in China has a 50% efficacy then the population is at more risk of contracting the virus and having negative results. The infection rates are increased with each new case of BA.7 (China is currently seeing each covid patient infecting on average 18 other people represented as 1:18, whereas the in US the rate is 1:3.9). Each of these factors increases the risk of developing new strains that are vaccine resistant. \n\nit's definitely unfair and probably racist as well\n\nIs it your position that nations cannot take any prescriptive action to prevent the spread of infected persons from other countries? Again i would remind you that China has basically been locked down for the last 2 years, with severe limitations to personal freedoms themselves. This is not based on race, but rather a government's inability to contain a contagious outbreak in their own country and not wanting it to spread. \n\nA good policy would be to require vaccinations from everybody. Think about it, you are requiring a vaccine that you said doesn't even work. How much sense does that make?\n\nThat might be your definition on good policy, but it isn't mine and that isn't how the west does it. \"I\" am not requiring a vaccine that \"I\" said doesn't work - that was your suggestion not mine. Also, i said the efficacy of the Chinese vaccine is 50% - based on available information - i never said it didn't work, and i never said that it should be mandatory or required.\n\nNascent?\n\nPoor and wrong word choice on my part it seems. What i meant was ascribing the US decision to require testing of Chinese travelers to racism because you believe that the US is racist is laughable. Taking a test to prove that you are covid negative is far less onerous on a traveler than most visa requirements.\n\nIt's definitely about punishing china, it's a part of the current cold war with China conducted by the USA.\n\nCite your sources. I could point to many Chinese government policies that i could say are part of the current cold war with the US without backing it up and it would be just as credible as what you said. Opinion is not a source, and not proof. You assume that the US government is racist, that this policy is racist and yet we have had travel bans imposed on other countries, as well as testing required for travelers from other countries imposed before, and other policies and so has China. For goodness sake China has been closed to foreigners for almost 3 years, and is still closed to foreign travel until January 2023. Is that a racist policy as well?",
">\n\nHere we go again.\nThis time I think I'll learn French cooking.",
">\n\n5000 People a day will have to die before Anybody says the word Lock down in the States ever again.",
">\n\nDon’t understand why people can’t handle staying at home for two weeks when it could potentially eradicate a deadly virus. Are we that weak?",
">\n\nWe did that in large part in March 2020. And did China not spend years locking down their citizens? \nPeoples savings are gone. They need to work. \nWearing a mask would do a lot to help the issue but people aren’t willing to do that anymore.",
">\n\nWe didn't do that though. We didn't all lock down when we were supposed to. Where I work I had to go in from the very start all the way through. Most people, the majority of people, didn't stay home even if they didn't have work. Most people didn't fuck with masks or keeping a distance, and even people who weren't antivaccers didn't take the vaccine seriously for the longest time. \nWe had no fucking lock down, unless you were a well-off celebrity or comedian who wanted to talk about being locked down for content. \nIf people legit locked down, they would have taken a small hit financially, but too many people didn't do shit and prolonged everything.",
">\n\nThe things is that it doesn't take long to drain peoples saving - becuase the overwhelming majority of people have practically none. \nSo an extended lockdown was never feasible unless the government was willing to pay several trillion dollars of expenses, not just 2 or 3 times but several times over.",
">\n\nI didn't dispute any of what you said. I pointed out that most people actively contested any safety measure and most people didn't actually lock down. Any extension will almost certainly be the fault of most of those people. \nI'd gladly let them all die if it meant the few people who did take things seriously didn't have to live through a Walking Dead scenario or have to take a huge financial hit because them.",
">\n\nMost people did lock down just fine initially. After a few weeks turned into a month or more, yeah people got testy.\nAdditionally, a gigantic amount of people work in critical industries and simply cant stay home. Just keeping the lights and water on requires tens of millions of workers, plus industries like plants and refineries that simply cannot shut down without massive long-term consequences.\nReddit is full of office people who can WFH, the vast majority of people cant."
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What’s that saying that ends with ”…doomed to repeat it?”
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"People from China will travel through Europe and come in to America from the east coast like they did when the pandemic started. This will do nothing if all travelers aboard aren’t made to test.",
">\n\nLet's hope EU and other countries do the same.",
">\n\nI don't know if they will. Australia (for example) had some of the toughest Covid policies and they've essentially just thrown them all out the window.\nSo I don't know how willing countries are to go back to being overly concerned about Covid.",
">\n\nThey should be concerned w chinese, it's spreading like wildfire in china. If we aren't careful, they will come out w covid 20.",
">\n\nIt’s spreading everywhere including the USA. This policy has nothing to do with science or medicine. It’s just politics.",
">\n\nNo. It’s circulating like mad in a population of 1 billion people who haven’t been exposed before. This is how new variants come about. Every country should require negative Covid test for china at least until it cycles through the population",
">\n\n\nNo. It’s circulating like mad in a population of 1 billion people who haven’t been exposed before.\n\nIt's also spreading like mad in all the countries of the world including the USA.\n\nThis is how new variants come about. \n\nAnd they have been for years now.\n\nEvery country should require negative Covid test for china at least until it cycles through the population\n\nOnly for political reasons. There is no scientific or rational demand for this. \nI get it, you hate china, most americans hate china so just be honest and say what you really mean.",
">\n\nStrains are spreading in the west yes, but there are new strains in China that are spreading and we don't know if our vaccines will work with those strains. We know the Chinese vaccines have a low efficacy rate and we know they are not mRNA vaccines which allow for easier adaptation to new strains. Making travelers with a Chinese passport take Covid tests at any and all airports is not racist or even unfair - a reminder that China has been relatively hard to travel to for the last 2 years because they were locked down to foreign travel as well. This is simply good policy from a public health measure, and you not wanting to see that for what it is and instead attribute it to a nascent American hatred for China is laughable. the World Health Organization estimated close to 800 million new cases in China in the next few months, with another estimate 4 million deaths and countless new strains coming out during that period. This is about protection populations, not punishing China.",
">\n\n\nStrains are spreading in the west yes, but there are new strains in China that are spreading and we don't know if our vaccines will work with those strains.\n\nYou don't know if vaccines work against any new variant even if that variant is from a country populated with white people.\n\nWe know the Chinese vaccines have a low efficacy rate and we know they are not mRNA vaccines which allow for easier adaptation to new strains. \n\nThe vaccine doesn't adapt once inside of your body you know that right?\n\nMaking travelers with a Chinese passport take Covid tests at any and all airports is not racist or even unfair \n\nit's definitely unfair and probably racist as well.\n\nhis is simply good policy from a public health measure, a\n\nA good policy would be to require vaccinations from everybody. Think about it, you are requiring a vaccine that you said doesn't even work. How much sense does that make?\n\nattribute it to a nascent American hatred for China is laughable.\n\nNascent?\n\nThis is about protection populations, not punishing China.\n\nIt's definitely about punishing china, it's a part of the current cold war with China conducted by the USA.",
">\n\n\nYou don't know if vaccines work against any new variant even if that variant is from a country populated with white people.\n\nAll the more reason to not invite more new strains into the country. White population or otherwise has nothing to do with it, expected rise in cases in China does.\n\nThe vaccine doesn't adapt once inside of your body you know that right?\n\nYou missed the point. The point i was making was that the Chinese medical system has not even approached Covid with an mRNA vaccine, and steadfastly refused to license western vaccines. If the vaccine most readily available in China has a 50% efficacy then the population is at more risk of contracting the virus and having negative results. The infection rates are increased with each new case of BA.7 (China is currently seeing each covid patient infecting on average 18 other people represented as 1:18, whereas the in US the rate is 1:3.9). Each of these factors increases the risk of developing new strains that are vaccine resistant. \n\nit's definitely unfair and probably racist as well\n\nIs it your position that nations cannot take any prescriptive action to prevent the spread of infected persons from other countries? Again i would remind you that China has basically been locked down for the last 2 years, with severe limitations to personal freedoms themselves. This is not based on race, but rather a government's inability to contain a contagious outbreak in their own country and not wanting it to spread. \n\nA good policy would be to require vaccinations from everybody. Think about it, you are requiring a vaccine that you said doesn't even work. How much sense does that make?\n\nThat might be your definition on good policy, but it isn't mine and that isn't how the west does it. \"I\" am not requiring a vaccine that \"I\" said doesn't work - that was your suggestion not mine. Also, i said the efficacy of the Chinese vaccine is 50% - based on available information - i never said it didn't work, and i never said that it should be mandatory or required.\n\nNascent?\n\nPoor and wrong word choice on my part it seems. What i meant was ascribing the US decision to require testing of Chinese travelers to racism because you believe that the US is racist is laughable. Taking a test to prove that you are covid negative is far less onerous on a traveler than most visa requirements.\n\nIt's definitely about punishing china, it's a part of the current cold war with China conducted by the USA.\n\nCite your sources. I could point to many Chinese government policies that i could say are part of the current cold war with the US without backing it up and it would be just as credible as what you said. Opinion is not a source, and not proof. You assume that the US government is racist, that this policy is racist and yet we have had travel bans imposed on other countries, as well as testing required for travelers from other countries imposed before, and other policies and so has China. For goodness sake China has been closed to foreigners for almost 3 years, and is still closed to foreign travel until January 2023. Is that a racist policy as well?",
">\n\nHere we go again.\nThis time I think I'll learn French cooking.",
">\n\n5000 People a day will have to die before Anybody says the word Lock down in the States ever again.",
">\n\nDon’t understand why people can’t handle staying at home for two weeks when it could potentially eradicate a deadly virus. Are we that weak?",
">\n\nWe did that in large part in March 2020. And did China not spend years locking down their citizens? \nPeoples savings are gone. They need to work. \nWearing a mask would do a lot to help the issue but people aren’t willing to do that anymore.",
">\n\nWe didn't do that though. We didn't all lock down when we were supposed to. Where I work I had to go in from the very start all the way through. Most people, the majority of people, didn't stay home even if they didn't have work. Most people didn't fuck with masks or keeping a distance, and even people who weren't antivaccers didn't take the vaccine seriously for the longest time. \nWe had no fucking lock down, unless you were a well-off celebrity or comedian who wanted to talk about being locked down for content. \nIf people legit locked down, they would have taken a small hit financially, but too many people didn't do shit and prolonged everything.",
">\n\nThe things is that it doesn't take long to drain peoples saving - becuase the overwhelming majority of people have practically none. \nSo an extended lockdown was never feasible unless the government was willing to pay several trillion dollars of expenses, not just 2 or 3 times but several times over.",
">\n\nI didn't dispute any of what you said. I pointed out that most people actively contested any safety measure and most people didn't actually lock down. Any extension will almost certainly be the fault of most of those people. \nI'd gladly let them all die if it meant the few people who did take things seriously didn't have to live through a Walking Dead scenario or have to take a huge financial hit because them.",
">\n\nMost people did lock down just fine initially. After a few weeks turned into a month or more, yeah people got testy.\nAdditionally, a gigantic amount of people work in critical industries and simply cant stay home. Just keeping the lights and water on requires tens of millions of workers, plus industries like plants and refineries that simply cannot shut down without massive long-term consequences.\nReddit is full of office people who can WFH, the vast majority of people cant.",
">\n\nI was one of those who couldn't stay home. Right out of the gate most people gave up on almost all of it except when they were making a show of complying when they had to. There was a lot of cheating. I walk through a lot of different areas. The waves of patients and bodies we got at work tracked with that and became predictable."
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Why not just require a negative test from everyone?
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"People from China will travel through Europe and come in to America from the east coast like they did when the pandemic started. This will do nothing if all travelers aboard aren’t made to test.",
">\n\nLet's hope EU and other countries do the same.",
">\n\nI don't know if they will. Australia (for example) had some of the toughest Covid policies and they've essentially just thrown them all out the window.\nSo I don't know how willing countries are to go back to being overly concerned about Covid.",
">\n\nThey should be concerned w chinese, it's spreading like wildfire in china. If we aren't careful, they will come out w covid 20.",
">\n\nIt’s spreading everywhere including the USA. This policy has nothing to do with science or medicine. It’s just politics.",
">\n\nNo. It’s circulating like mad in a population of 1 billion people who haven’t been exposed before. This is how new variants come about. Every country should require negative Covid test for china at least until it cycles through the population",
">\n\n\nNo. It’s circulating like mad in a population of 1 billion people who haven’t been exposed before.\n\nIt's also spreading like mad in all the countries of the world including the USA.\n\nThis is how new variants come about. \n\nAnd they have been for years now.\n\nEvery country should require negative Covid test for china at least until it cycles through the population\n\nOnly for political reasons. There is no scientific or rational demand for this. \nI get it, you hate china, most americans hate china so just be honest and say what you really mean.",
">\n\nStrains are spreading in the west yes, but there are new strains in China that are spreading and we don't know if our vaccines will work with those strains. We know the Chinese vaccines have a low efficacy rate and we know they are not mRNA vaccines which allow for easier adaptation to new strains. Making travelers with a Chinese passport take Covid tests at any and all airports is not racist or even unfair - a reminder that China has been relatively hard to travel to for the last 2 years because they were locked down to foreign travel as well. This is simply good policy from a public health measure, and you not wanting to see that for what it is and instead attribute it to a nascent American hatred for China is laughable. the World Health Organization estimated close to 800 million new cases in China in the next few months, with another estimate 4 million deaths and countless new strains coming out during that period. This is about protection populations, not punishing China.",
">\n\n\nStrains are spreading in the west yes, but there are new strains in China that are spreading and we don't know if our vaccines will work with those strains.\n\nYou don't know if vaccines work against any new variant even if that variant is from a country populated with white people.\n\nWe know the Chinese vaccines have a low efficacy rate and we know they are not mRNA vaccines which allow for easier adaptation to new strains. \n\nThe vaccine doesn't adapt once inside of your body you know that right?\n\nMaking travelers with a Chinese passport take Covid tests at any and all airports is not racist or even unfair \n\nit's definitely unfair and probably racist as well.\n\nhis is simply good policy from a public health measure, a\n\nA good policy would be to require vaccinations from everybody. Think about it, you are requiring a vaccine that you said doesn't even work. How much sense does that make?\n\nattribute it to a nascent American hatred for China is laughable.\n\nNascent?\n\nThis is about protection populations, not punishing China.\n\nIt's definitely about punishing china, it's a part of the current cold war with China conducted by the USA.",
">\n\n\nYou don't know if vaccines work against any new variant even if that variant is from a country populated with white people.\n\nAll the more reason to not invite more new strains into the country. White population or otherwise has nothing to do with it, expected rise in cases in China does.\n\nThe vaccine doesn't adapt once inside of your body you know that right?\n\nYou missed the point. The point i was making was that the Chinese medical system has not even approached Covid with an mRNA vaccine, and steadfastly refused to license western vaccines. If the vaccine most readily available in China has a 50% efficacy then the population is at more risk of contracting the virus and having negative results. The infection rates are increased with each new case of BA.7 (China is currently seeing each covid patient infecting on average 18 other people represented as 1:18, whereas the in US the rate is 1:3.9). Each of these factors increases the risk of developing new strains that are vaccine resistant. \n\nit's definitely unfair and probably racist as well\n\nIs it your position that nations cannot take any prescriptive action to prevent the spread of infected persons from other countries? Again i would remind you that China has basically been locked down for the last 2 years, with severe limitations to personal freedoms themselves. This is not based on race, but rather a government's inability to contain a contagious outbreak in their own country and not wanting it to spread. \n\nA good policy would be to require vaccinations from everybody. Think about it, you are requiring a vaccine that you said doesn't even work. How much sense does that make?\n\nThat might be your definition on good policy, but it isn't mine and that isn't how the west does it. \"I\" am not requiring a vaccine that \"I\" said doesn't work - that was your suggestion not mine. Also, i said the efficacy of the Chinese vaccine is 50% - based on available information - i never said it didn't work, and i never said that it should be mandatory or required.\n\nNascent?\n\nPoor and wrong word choice on my part it seems. What i meant was ascribing the US decision to require testing of Chinese travelers to racism because you believe that the US is racist is laughable. Taking a test to prove that you are covid negative is far less onerous on a traveler than most visa requirements.\n\nIt's definitely about punishing china, it's a part of the current cold war with China conducted by the USA.\n\nCite your sources. I could point to many Chinese government policies that i could say are part of the current cold war with the US without backing it up and it would be just as credible as what you said. Opinion is not a source, and not proof. You assume that the US government is racist, that this policy is racist and yet we have had travel bans imposed on other countries, as well as testing required for travelers from other countries imposed before, and other policies and so has China. For goodness sake China has been closed to foreigners for almost 3 years, and is still closed to foreign travel until January 2023. Is that a racist policy as well?",
">\n\nHere we go again.\nThis time I think I'll learn French cooking.",
">\n\n5000 People a day will have to die before Anybody says the word Lock down in the States ever again.",
">\n\nDon’t understand why people can’t handle staying at home for two weeks when it could potentially eradicate a deadly virus. Are we that weak?",
">\n\nWe did that in large part in March 2020. And did China not spend years locking down their citizens? \nPeoples savings are gone. They need to work. \nWearing a mask would do a lot to help the issue but people aren’t willing to do that anymore.",
">\n\nWe didn't do that though. We didn't all lock down when we were supposed to. Where I work I had to go in from the very start all the way through. Most people, the majority of people, didn't stay home even if they didn't have work. Most people didn't fuck with masks or keeping a distance, and even people who weren't antivaccers didn't take the vaccine seriously for the longest time. \nWe had no fucking lock down, unless you were a well-off celebrity or comedian who wanted to talk about being locked down for content. \nIf people legit locked down, they would have taken a small hit financially, but too many people didn't do shit and prolonged everything.",
">\n\nThe things is that it doesn't take long to drain peoples saving - becuase the overwhelming majority of people have practically none. \nSo an extended lockdown was never feasible unless the government was willing to pay several trillion dollars of expenses, not just 2 or 3 times but several times over.",
">\n\nI didn't dispute any of what you said. I pointed out that most people actively contested any safety measure and most people didn't actually lock down. Any extension will almost certainly be the fault of most of those people. \nI'd gladly let them all die if it meant the few people who did take things seriously didn't have to live through a Walking Dead scenario or have to take a huge financial hit because them.",
">\n\nMost people did lock down just fine initially. After a few weeks turned into a month or more, yeah people got testy.\nAdditionally, a gigantic amount of people work in critical industries and simply cant stay home. Just keeping the lights and water on requires tens of millions of workers, plus industries like plants and refineries that simply cannot shut down without massive long-term consequences.\nReddit is full of office people who can WFH, the vast majority of people cant.",
">\n\nI was one of those who couldn't stay home. Right out of the gate most people gave up on almost all of it except when they were making a show of complying when they had to. There was a lot of cheating. I walk through a lot of different areas. The waves of patients and bodies we got at work tracked with that and became predictable.",
">\n\nWhat’s that saying that ends with ”…doomed to repeat it?”"
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Who would you expect to pay for that?
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"People from China will travel through Europe and come in to America from the east coast like they did when the pandemic started. This will do nothing if all travelers aboard aren’t made to test.",
">\n\nLet's hope EU and other countries do the same.",
">\n\nI don't know if they will. Australia (for example) had some of the toughest Covid policies and they've essentially just thrown them all out the window.\nSo I don't know how willing countries are to go back to being overly concerned about Covid.",
">\n\nThey should be concerned w chinese, it's spreading like wildfire in china. If we aren't careful, they will come out w covid 20.",
">\n\nIt’s spreading everywhere including the USA. This policy has nothing to do with science or medicine. It’s just politics.",
">\n\nNo. It’s circulating like mad in a population of 1 billion people who haven’t been exposed before. This is how new variants come about. Every country should require negative Covid test for china at least until it cycles through the population",
">\n\n\nNo. It’s circulating like mad in a population of 1 billion people who haven’t been exposed before.\n\nIt's also spreading like mad in all the countries of the world including the USA.\n\nThis is how new variants come about. \n\nAnd they have been for years now.\n\nEvery country should require negative Covid test for china at least until it cycles through the population\n\nOnly for political reasons. There is no scientific or rational demand for this. \nI get it, you hate china, most americans hate china so just be honest and say what you really mean.",
">\n\nStrains are spreading in the west yes, but there are new strains in China that are spreading and we don't know if our vaccines will work with those strains. We know the Chinese vaccines have a low efficacy rate and we know they are not mRNA vaccines which allow for easier adaptation to new strains. Making travelers with a Chinese passport take Covid tests at any and all airports is not racist or even unfair - a reminder that China has been relatively hard to travel to for the last 2 years because they were locked down to foreign travel as well. This is simply good policy from a public health measure, and you not wanting to see that for what it is and instead attribute it to a nascent American hatred for China is laughable. the World Health Organization estimated close to 800 million new cases in China in the next few months, with another estimate 4 million deaths and countless new strains coming out during that period. This is about protection populations, not punishing China.",
">\n\n\nStrains are spreading in the west yes, but there are new strains in China that are spreading and we don't know if our vaccines will work with those strains.\n\nYou don't know if vaccines work against any new variant even if that variant is from a country populated with white people.\n\nWe know the Chinese vaccines have a low efficacy rate and we know they are not mRNA vaccines which allow for easier adaptation to new strains. \n\nThe vaccine doesn't adapt once inside of your body you know that right?\n\nMaking travelers with a Chinese passport take Covid tests at any and all airports is not racist or even unfair \n\nit's definitely unfair and probably racist as well.\n\nhis is simply good policy from a public health measure, a\n\nA good policy would be to require vaccinations from everybody. Think about it, you are requiring a vaccine that you said doesn't even work. How much sense does that make?\n\nattribute it to a nascent American hatred for China is laughable.\n\nNascent?\n\nThis is about protection populations, not punishing China.\n\nIt's definitely about punishing china, it's a part of the current cold war with China conducted by the USA.",
">\n\n\nYou don't know if vaccines work against any new variant even if that variant is from a country populated with white people.\n\nAll the more reason to not invite more new strains into the country. White population or otherwise has nothing to do with it, expected rise in cases in China does.\n\nThe vaccine doesn't adapt once inside of your body you know that right?\n\nYou missed the point. The point i was making was that the Chinese medical system has not even approached Covid with an mRNA vaccine, and steadfastly refused to license western vaccines. If the vaccine most readily available in China has a 50% efficacy then the population is at more risk of contracting the virus and having negative results. The infection rates are increased with each new case of BA.7 (China is currently seeing each covid patient infecting on average 18 other people represented as 1:18, whereas the in US the rate is 1:3.9). Each of these factors increases the risk of developing new strains that are vaccine resistant. \n\nit's definitely unfair and probably racist as well\n\nIs it your position that nations cannot take any prescriptive action to prevent the spread of infected persons from other countries? Again i would remind you that China has basically been locked down for the last 2 years, with severe limitations to personal freedoms themselves. This is not based on race, but rather a government's inability to contain a contagious outbreak in their own country and not wanting it to spread. \n\nA good policy would be to require vaccinations from everybody. Think about it, you are requiring a vaccine that you said doesn't even work. How much sense does that make?\n\nThat might be your definition on good policy, but it isn't mine and that isn't how the west does it. \"I\" am not requiring a vaccine that \"I\" said doesn't work - that was your suggestion not mine. Also, i said the efficacy of the Chinese vaccine is 50% - based on available information - i never said it didn't work, and i never said that it should be mandatory or required.\n\nNascent?\n\nPoor and wrong word choice on my part it seems. What i meant was ascribing the US decision to require testing of Chinese travelers to racism because you believe that the US is racist is laughable. Taking a test to prove that you are covid negative is far less onerous on a traveler than most visa requirements.\n\nIt's definitely about punishing china, it's a part of the current cold war with China conducted by the USA.\n\nCite your sources. I could point to many Chinese government policies that i could say are part of the current cold war with the US without backing it up and it would be just as credible as what you said. Opinion is not a source, and not proof. You assume that the US government is racist, that this policy is racist and yet we have had travel bans imposed on other countries, as well as testing required for travelers from other countries imposed before, and other policies and so has China. For goodness sake China has been closed to foreigners for almost 3 years, and is still closed to foreign travel until January 2023. Is that a racist policy as well?",
">\n\nHere we go again.\nThis time I think I'll learn French cooking.",
">\n\n5000 People a day will have to die before Anybody says the word Lock down in the States ever again.",
">\n\nDon’t understand why people can’t handle staying at home for two weeks when it could potentially eradicate a deadly virus. Are we that weak?",
">\n\nWe did that in large part in March 2020. And did China not spend years locking down their citizens? \nPeoples savings are gone. They need to work. \nWearing a mask would do a lot to help the issue but people aren’t willing to do that anymore.",
">\n\nWe didn't do that though. We didn't all lock down when we were supposed to. Where I work I had to go in from the very start all the way through. Most people, the majority of people, didn't stay home even if they didn't have work. Most people didn't fuck with masks or keeping a distance, and even people who weren't antivaccers didn't take the vaccine seriously for the longest time. \nWe had no fucking lock down, unless you were a well-off celebrity or comedian who wanted to talk about being locked down for content. \nIf people legit locked down, they would have taken a small hit financially, but too many people didn't do shit and prolonged everything.",
">\n\nThe things is that it doesn't take long to drain peoples saving - becuase the overwhelming majority of people have practically none. \nSo an extended lockdown was never feasible unless the government was willing to pay several trillion dollars of expenses, not just 2 or 3 times but several times over.",
">\n\nI didn't dispute any of what you said. I pointed out that most people actively contested any safety measure and most people didn't actually lock down. Any extension will almost certainly be the fault of most of those people. \nI'd gladly let them all die if it meant the few people who did take things seriously didn't have to live through a Walking Dead scenario or have to take a huge financial hit because them.",
">\n\nMost people did lock down just fine initially. After a few weeks turned into a month or more, yeah people got testy.\nAdditionally, a gigantic amount of people work in critical industries and simply cant stay home. Just keeping the lights and water on requires tens of millions of workers, plus industries like plants and refineries that simply cannot shut down without massive long-term consequences.\nReddit is full of office people who can WFH, the vast majority of people cant.",
">\n\nI was one of those who couldn't stay home. Right out of the gate most people gave up on almost all of it except when they were making a show of complying when they had to. There was a lot of cheating. I walk through a lot of different areas. The waves of patients and bodies we got at work tracked with that and became predictable.",
">\n\nWhat’s that saying that ends with ”…doomed to repeat it?”",
">\n\nWhy not just require a negative test from everyone?"
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Governments or sponsors from the private sector ideally, I honestly don’t give a fuck. I’ve gotten many free tests from both and I’ve also bought some for like $8.
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"People from China will travel through Europe and come in to America from the east coast like they did when the pandemic started. This will do nothing if all travelers aboard aren’t made to test.",
">\n\nLet's hope EU and other countries do the same.",
">\n\nI don't know if they will. Australia (for example) had some of the toughest Covid policies and they've essentially just thrown them all out the window.\nSo I don't know how willing countries are to go back to being overly concerned about Covid.",
">\n\nThey should be concerned w chinese, it's spreading like wildfire in china. If we aren't careful, they will come out w covid 20.",
">\n\nIt’s spreading everywhere including the USA. This policy has nothing to do with science or medicine. It’s just politics.",
">\n\nNo. It’s circulating like mad in a population of 1 billion people who haven’t been exposed before. This is how new variants come about. Every country should require negative Covid test for china at least until it cycles through the population",
">\n\n\nNo. It’s circulating like mad in a population of 1 billion people who haven’t been exposed before.\n\nIt's also spreading like mad in all the countries of the world including the USA.\n\nThis is how new variants come about. \n\nAnd they have been for years now.\n\nEvery country should require negative Covid test for china at least until it cycles through the population\n\nOnly for political reasons. There is no scientific or rational demand for this. \nI get it, you hate china, most americans hate china so just be honest and say what you really mean.",
">\n\nStrains are spreading in the west yes, but there are new strains in China that are spreading and we don't know if our vaccines will work with those strains. We know the Chinese vaccines have a low efficacy rate and we know they are not mRNA vaccines which allow for easier adaptation to new strains. Making travelers with a Chinese passport take Covid tests at any and all airports is not racist or even unfair - a reminder that China has been relatively hard to travel to for the last 2 years because they were locked down to foreign travel as well. This is simply good policy from a public health measure, and you not wanting to see that for what it is and instead attribute it to a nascent American hatred for China is laughable. the World Health Organization estimated close to 800 million new cases in China in the next few months, with another estimate 4 million deaths and countless new strains coming out during that period. This is about protection populations, not punishing China.",
">\n\n\nStrains are spreading in the west yes, but there are new strains in China that are spreading and we don't know if our vaccines will work with those strains.\n\nYou don't know if vaccines work against any new variant even if that variant is from a country populated with white people.\n\nWe know the Chinese vaccines have a low efficacy rate and we know they are not mRNA vaccines which allow for easier adaptation to new strains. \n\nThe vaccine doesn't adapt once inside of your body you know that right?\n\nMaking travelers with a Chinese passport take Covid tests at any and all airports is not racist or even unfair \n\nit's definitely unfair and probably racist as well.\n\nhis is simply good policy from a public health measure, a\n\nA good policy would be to require vaccinations from everybody. Think about it, you are requiring a vaccine that you said doesn't even work. How much sense does that make?\n\nattribute it to a nascent American hatred for China is laughable.\n\nNascent?\n\nThis is about protection populations, not punishing China.\n\nIt's definitely about punishing china, it's a part of the current cold war with China conducted by the USA.",
">\n\n\nYou don't know if vaccines work against any new variant even if that variant is from a country populated with white people.\n\nAll the more reason to not invite more new strains into the country. White population or otherwise has nothing to do with it, expected rise in cases in China does.\n\nThe vaccine doesn't adapt once inside of your body you know that right?\n\nYou missed the point. The point i was making was that the Chinese medical system has not even approached Covid with an mRNA vaccine, and steadfastly refused to license western vaccines. If the vaccine most readily available in China has a 50% efficacy then the population is at more risk of contracting the virus and having negative results. The infection rates are increased with each new case of BA.7 (China is currently seeing each covid patient infecting on average 18 other people represented as 1:18, whereas the in US the rate is 1:3.9). Each of these factors increases the risk of developing new strains that are vaccine resistant. \n\nit's definitely unfair and probably racist as well\n\nIs it your position that nations cannot take any prescriptive action to prevent the spread of infected persons from other countries? Again i would remind you that China has basically been locked down for the last 2 years, with severe limitations to personal freedoms themselves. This is not based on race, but rather a government's inability to contain a contagious outbreak in their own country and not wanting it to spread. \n\nA good policy would be to require vaccinations from everybody. Think about it, you are requiring a vaccine that you said doesn't even work. How much sense does that make?\n\nThat might be your definition on good policy, but it isn't mine and that isn't how the west does it. \"I\" am not requiring a vaccine that \"I\" said doesn't work - that was your suggestion not mine. Also, i said the efficacy of the Chinese vaccine is 50% - based on available information - i never said it didn't work, and i never said that it should be mandatory or required.\n\nNascent?\n\nPoor and wrong word choice on my part it seems. What i meant was ascribing the US decision to require testing of Chinese travelers to racism because you believe that the US is racist is laughable. Taking a test to prove that you are covid negative is far less onerous on a traveler than most visa requirements.\n\nIt's definitely about punishing china, it's a part of the current cold war with China conducted by the USA.\n\nCite your sources. I could point to many Chinese government policies that i could say are part of the current cold war with the US without backing it up and it would be just as credible as what you said. Opinion is not a source, and not proof. You assume that the US government is racist, that this policy is racist and yet we have had travel bans imposed on other countries, as well as testing required for travelers from other countries imposed before, and other policies and so has China. For goodness sake China has been closed to foreigners for almost 3 years, and is still closed to foreign travel until January 2023. Is that a racist policy as well?",
">\n\nHere we go again.\nThis time I think I'll learn French cooking.",
">\n\n5000 People a day will have to die before Anybody says the word Lock down in the States ever again.",
">\n\nDon’t understand why people can’t handle staying at home for two weeks when it could potentially eradicate a deadly virus. Are we that weak?",
">\n\nWe did that in large part in March 2020. And did China not spend years locking down their citizens? \nPeoples savings are gone. They need to work. \nWearing a mask would do a lot to help the issue but people aren’t willing to do that anymore.",
">\n\nWe didn't do that though. We didn't all lock down when we were supposed to. Where I work I had to go in from the very start all the way through. Most people, the majority of people, didn't stay home even if they didn't have work. Most people didn't fuck with masks or keeping a distance, and even people who weren't antivaccers didn't take the vaccine seriously for the longest time. \nWe had no fucking lock down, unless you were a well-off celebrity or comedian who wanted to talk about being locked down for content. \nIf people legit locked down, they would have taken a small hit financially, but too many people didn't do shit and prolonged everything.",
">\n\nThe things is that it doesn't take long to drain peoples saving - becuase the overwhelming majority of people have practically none. \nSo an extended lockdown was never feasible unless the government was willing to pay several trillion dollars of expenses, not just 2 or 3 times but several times over.",
">\n\nI didn't dispute any of what you said. I pointed out that most people actively contested any safety measure and most people didn't actually lock down. Any extension will almost certainly be the fault of most of those people. \nI'd gladly let them all die if it meant the few people who did take things seriously didn't have to live through a Walking Dead scenario or have to take a huge financial hit because them.",
">\n\nMost people did lock down just fine initially. After a few weeks turned into a month or more, yeah people got testy.\nAdditionally, a gigantic amount of people work in critical industries and simply cant stay home. Just keeping the lights and water on requires tens of millions of workers, plus industries like plants and refineries that simply cannot shut down without massive long-term consequences.\nReddit is full of office people who can WFH, the vast majority of people cant.",
">\n\nI was one of those who couldn't stay home. Right out of the gate most people gave up on almost all of it except when they were making a show of complying when they had to. There was a lot of cheating. I walk through a lot of different areas. The waves of patients and bodies we got at work tracked with that and became predictable.",
">\n\nWhat’s that saying that ends with ”…doomed to repeat it?”",
">\n\nWhy not just require a negative test from everyone?",
">\n\nWho would you expect to pay for that?"
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“Here we go again” from everyone in the comments.
The virus never stopped, we did.
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"People from China will travel through Europe and come in to America from the east coast like they did when the pandemic started. This will do nothing if all travelers aboard aren’t made to test.",
">\n\nLet's hope EU and other countries do the same.",
">\n\nI don't know if they will. Australia (for example) had some of the toughest Covid policies and they've essentially just thrown them all out the window.\nSo I don't know how willing countries are to go back to being overly concerned about Covid.",
">\n\nThey should be concerned w chinese, it's spreading like wildfire in china. If we aren't careful, they will come out w covid 20.",
">\n\nIt’s spreading everywhere including the USA. This policy has nothing to do with science or medicine. It’s just politics.",
">\n\nNo. It’s circulating like mad in a population of 1 billion people who haven’t been exposed before. This is how new variants come about. Every country should require negative Covid test for china at least until it cycles through the population",
">\n\n\nNo. It’s circulating like mad in a population of 1 billion people who haven’t been exposed before.\n\nIt's also spreading like mad in all the countries of the world including the USA.\n\nThis is how new variants come about. \n\nAnd they have been for years now.\n\nEvery country should require negative Covid test for china at least until it cycles through the population\n\nOnly for political reasons. There is no scientific or rational demand for this. \nI get it, you hate china, most americans hate china so just be honest and say what you really mean.",
">\n\nStrains are spreading in the west yes, but there are new strains in China that are spreading and we don't know if our vaccines will work with those strains. We know the Chinese vaccines have a low efficacy rate and we know they are not mRNA vaccines which allow for easier adaptation to new strains. Making travelers with a Chinese passport take Covid tests at any and all airports is not racist or even unfair - a reminder that China has been relatively hard to travel to for the last 2 years because they were locked down to foreign travel as well. This is simply good policy from a public health measure, and you not wanting to see that for what it is and instead attribute it to a nascent American hatred for China is laughable. the World Health Organization estimated close to 800 million new cases in China in the next few months, with another estimate 4 million deaths and countless new strains coming out during that period. This is about protection populations, not punishing China.",
">\n\n\nStrains are spreading in the west yes, but there are new strains in China that are spreading and we don't know if our vaccines will work with those strains.\n\nYou don't know if vaccines work against any new variant even if that variant is from a country populated with white people.\n\nWe know the Chinese vaccines have a low efficacy rate and we know they are not mRNA vaccines which allow for easier adaptation to new strains. \n\nThe vaccine doesn't adapt once inside of your body you know that right?\n\nMaking travelers with a Chinese passport take Covid tests at any and all airports is not racist or even unfair \n\nit's definitely unfair and probably racist as well.\n\nhis is simply good policy from a public health measure, a\n\nA good policy would be to require vaccinations from everybody. Think about it, you are requiring a vaccine that you said doesn't even work. How much sense does that make?\n\nattribute it to a nascent American hatred for China is laughable.\n\nNascent?\n\nThis is about protection populations, not punishing China.\n\nIt's definitely about punishing china, it's a part of the current cold war with China conducted by the USA.",
">\n\n\nYou don't know if vaccines work against any new variant even if that variant is from a country populated with white people.\n\nAll the more reason to not invite more new strains into the country. White population or otherwise has nothing to do with it, expected rise in cases in China does.\n\nThe vaccine doesn't adapt once inside of your body you know that right?\n\nYou missed the point. The point i was making was that the Chinese medical system has not even approached Covid with an mRNA vaccine, and steadfastly refused to license western vaccines. If the vaccine most readily available in China has a 50% efficacy then the population is at more risk of contracting the virus and having negative results. The infection rates are increased with each new case of BA.7 (China is currently seeing each covid patient infecting on average 18 other people represented as 1:18, whereas the in US the rate is 1:3.9). Each of these factors increases the risk of developing new strains that are vaccine resistant. \n\nit's definitely unfair and probably racist as well\n\nIs it your position that nations cannot take any prescriptive action to prevent the spread of infected persons from other countries? Again i would remind you that China has basically been locked down for the last 2 years, with severe limitations to personal freedoms themselves. This is not based on race, but rather a government's inability to contain a contagious outbreak in their own country and not wanting it to spread. \n\nA good policy would be to require vaccinations from everybody. Think about it, you are requiring a vaccine that you said doesn't even work. How much sense does that make?\n\nThat might be your definition on good policy, but it isn't mine and that isn't how the west does it. \"I\" am not requiring a vaccine that \"I\" said doesn't work - that was your suggestion not mine. Also, i said the efficacy of the Chinese vaccine is 50% - based on available information - i never said it didn't work, and i never said that it should be mandatory or required.\n\nNascent?\n\nPoor and wrong word choice on my part it seems. What i meant was ascribing the US decision to require testing of Chinese travelers to racism because you believe that the US is racist is laughable. Taking a test to prove that you are covid negative is far less onerous on a traveler than most visa requirements.\n\nIt's definitely about punishing china, it's a part of the current cold war with China conducted by the USA.\n\nCite your sources. I could point to many Chinese government policies that i could say are part of the current cold war with the US without backing it up and it would be just as credible as what you said. Opinion is not a source, and not proof. You assume that the US government is racist, that this policy is racist and yet we have had travel bans imposed on other countries, as well as testing required for travelers from other countries imposed before, and other policies and so has China. For goodness sake China has been closed to foreigners for almost 3 years, and is still closed to foreign travel until January 2023. Is that a racist policy as well?",
">\n\nHere we go again.\nThis time I think I'll learn French cooking.",
">\n\n5000 People a day will have to die before Anybody says the word Lock down in the States ever again.",
">\n\nDon’t understand why people can’t handle staying at home for two weeks when it could potentially eradicate a deadly virus. Are we that weak?",
">\n\nWe did that in large part in March 2020. And did China not spend years locking down their citizens? \nPeoples savings are gone. They need to work. \nWearing a mask would do a lot to help the issue but people aren’t willing to do that anymore.",
">\n\nWe didn't do that though. We didn't all lock down when we were supposed to. Where I work I had to go in from the very start all the way through. Most people, the majority of people, didn't stay home even if they didn't have work. Most people didn't fuck with masks or keeping a distance, and even people who weren't antivaccers didn't take the vaccine seriously for the longest time. \nWe had no fucking lock down, unless you were a well-off celebrity or comedian who wanted to talk about being locked down for content. \nIf people legit locked down, they would have taken a small hit financially, but too many people didn't do shit and prolonged everything.",
">\n\nThe things is that it doesn't take long to drain peoples saving - becuase the overwhelming majority of people have practically none. \nSo an extended lockdown was never feasible unless the government was willing to pay several trillion dollars of expenses, not just 2 or 3 times but several times over.",
">\n\nI didn't dispute any of what you said. I pointed out that most people actively contested any safety measure and most people didn't actually lock down. Any extension will almost certainly be the fault of most of those people. \nI'd gladly let them all die if it meant the few people who did take things seriously didn't have to live through a Walking Dead scenario or have to take a huge financial hit because them.",
">\n\nMost people did lock down just fine initially. After a few weeks turned into a month or more, yeah people got testy.\nAdditionally, a gigantic amount of people work in critical industries and simply cant stay home. Just keeping the lights and water on requires tens of millions of workers, plus industries like plants and refineries that simply cannot shut down without massive long-term consequences.\nReddit is full of office people who can WFH, the vast majority of people cant.",
">\n\nI was one of those who couldn't stay home. Right out of the gate most people gave up on almost all of it except when they were making a show of complying when they had to. There was a lot of cheating. I walk through a lot of different areas. The waves of patients and bodies we got at work tracked with that and became predictable.",
">\n\nWhat’s that saying that ends with ”…doomed to repeat it?”",
">\n\nWhy not just require a negative test from everyone?",
">\n\nWho would you expect to pay for that?",
">\n\nGovernments or sponsors from the private sector ideally, I honestly don’t give a fuck. I’ve gotten many free tests from both and I’ve also bought some for like $8."
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Virus will always be there. Permanent restrictions are unsustainable
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"People from China will travel through Europe and come in to America from the east coast like they did when the pandemic started. This will do nothing if all travelers aboard aren’t made to test.",
">\n\nLet's hope EU and other countries do the same.",
">\n\nI don't know if they will. Australia (for example) had some of the toughest Covid policies and they've essentially just thrown them all out the window.\nSo I don't know how willing countries are to go back to being overly concerned about Covid.",
">\n\nThey should be concerned w chinese, it's spreading like wildfire in china. If we aren't careful, they will come out w covid 20.",
">\n\nIt’s spreading everywhere including the USA. This policy has nothing to do with science or medicine. It’s just politics.",
">\n\nNo. It’s circulating like mad in a population of 1 billion people who haven’t been exposed before. This is how new variants come about. Every country should require negative Covid test for china at least until it cycles through the population",
">\n\n\nNo. It’s circulating like mad in a population of 1 billion people who haven’t been exposed before.\n\nIt's also spreading like mad in all the countries of the world including the USA.\n\nThis is how new variants come about. \n\nAnd they have been for years now.\n\nEvery country should require negative Covid test for china at least until it cycles through the population\n\nOnly for political reasons. There is no scientific or rational demand for this. \nI get it, you hate china, most americans hate china so just be honest and say what you really mean.",
">\n\nStrains are spreading in the west yes, but there are new strains in China that are spreading and we don't know if our vaccines will work with those strains. We know the Chinese vaccines have a low efficacy rate and we know they are not mRNA vaccines which allow for easier adaptation to new strains. Making travelers with a Chinese passport take Covid tests at any and all airports is not racist or even unfair - a reminder that China has been relatively hard to travel to for the last 2 years because they were locked down to foreign travel as well. This is simply good policy from a public health measure, and you not wanting to see that for what it is and instead attribute it to a nascent American hatred for China is laughable. the World Health Organization estimated close to 800 million new cases in China in the next few months, with another estimate 4 million deaths and countless new strains coming out during that period. This is about protection populations, not punishing China.",
">\n\n\nStrains are spreading in the west yes, but there are new strains in China that are spreading and we don't know if our vaccines will work with those strains.\n\nYou don't know if vaccines work against any new variant even if that variant is from a country populated with white people.\n\nWe know the Chinese vaccines have a low efficacy rate and we know they are not mRNA vaccines which allow for easier adaptation to new strains. \n\nThe vaccine doesn't adapt once inside of your body you know that right?\n\nMaking travelers with a Chinese passport take Covid tests at any and all airports is not racist or even unfair \n\nit's definitely unfair and probably racist as well.\n\nhis is simply good policy from a public health measure, a\n\nA good policy would be to require vaccinations from everybody. Think about it, you are requiring a vaccine that you said doesn't even work. How much sense does that make?\n\nattribute it to a nascent American hatred for China is laughable.\n\nNascent?\n\nThis is about protection populations, not punishing China.\n\nIt's definitely about punishing china, it's a part of the current cold war with China conducted by the USA.",
">\n\n\nYou don't know if vaccines work against any new variant even if that variant is from a country populated with white people.\n\nAll the more reason to not invite more new strains into the country. White population or otherwise has nothing to do with it, expected rise in cases in China does.\n\nThe vaccine doesn't adapt once inside of your body you know that right?\n\nYou missed the point. The point i was making was that the Chinese medical system has not even approached Covid with an mRNA vaccine, and steadfastly refused to license western vaccines. If the vaccine most readily available in China has a 50% efficacy then the population is at more risk of contracting the virus and having negative results. The infection rates are increased with each new case of BA.7 (China is currently seeing each covid patient infecting on average 18 other people represented as 1:18, whereas the in US the rate is 1:3.9). Each of these factors increases the risk of developing new strains that are vaccine resistant. \n\nit's definitely unfair and probably racist as well\n\nIs it your position that nations cannot take any prescriptive action to prevent the spread of infected persons from other countries? Again i would remind you that China has basically been locked down for the last 2 years, with severe limitations to personal freedoms themselves. This is not based on race, but rather a government's inability to contain a contagious outbreak in their own country and not wanting it to spread. \n\nA good policy would be to require vaccinations from everybody. Think about it, you are requiring a vaccine that you said doesn't even work. How much sense does that make?\n\nThat might be your definition on good policy, but it isn't mine and that isn't how the west does it. \"I\" am not requiring a vaccine that \"I\" said doesn't work - that was your suggestion not mine. Also, i said the efficacy of the Chinese vaccine is 50% - based on available information - i never said it didn't work, and i never said that it should be mandatory or required.\n\nNascent?\n\nPoor and wrong word choice on my part it seems. What i meant was ascribing the US decision to require testing of Chinese travelers to racism because you believe that the US is racist is laughable. Taking a test to prove that you are covid negative is far less onerous on a traveler than most visa requirements.\n\nIt's definitely about punishing china, it's a part of the current cold war with China conducted by the USA.\n\nCite your sources. I could point to many Chinese government policies that i could say are part of the current cold war with the US without backing it up and it would be just as credible as what you said. Opinion is not a source, and not proof. You assume that the US government is racist, that this policy is racist and yet we have had travel bans imposed on other countries, as well as testing required for travelers from other countries imposed before, and other policies and so has China. For goodness sake China has been closed to foreigners for almost 3 years, and is still closed to foreign travel until January 2023. Is that a racist policy as well?",
">\n\nHere we go again.\nThis time I think I'll learn French cooking.",
">\n\n5000 People a day will have to die before Anybody says the word Lock down in the States ever again.",
">\n\nDon’t understand why people can’t handle staying at home for two weeks when it could potentially eradicate a deadly virus. Are we that weak?",
">\n\nWe did that in large part in March 2020. And did China not spend years locking down their citizens? \nPeoples savings are gone. They need to work. \nWearing a mask would do a lot to help the issue but people aren’t willing to do that anymore.",
">\n\nWe didn't do that though. We didn't all lock down when we were supposed to. Where I work I had to go in from the very start all the way through. Most people, the majority of people, didn't stay home even if they didn't have work. Most people didn't fuck with masks or keeping a distance, and even people who weren't antivaccers didn't take the vaccine seriously for the longest time. \nWe had no fucking lock down, unless you were a well-off celebrity or comedian who wanted to talk about being locked down for content. \nIf people legit locked down, they would have taken a small hit financially, but too many people didn't do shit and prolonged everything.",
">\n\nThe things is that it doesn't take long to drain peoples saving - becuase the overwhelming majority of people have practically none. \nSo an extended lockdown was never feasible unless the government was willing to pay several trillion dollars of expenses, not just 2 or 3 times but several times over.",
">\n\nI didn't dispute any of what you said. I pointed out that most people actively contested any safety measure and most people didn't actually lock down. Any extension will almost certainly be the fault of most of those people. \nI'd gladly let them all die if it meant the few people who did take things seriously didn't have to live through a Walking Dead scenario or have to take a huge financial hit because them.",
">\n\nMost people did lock down just fine initially. After a few weeks turned into a month or more, yeah people got testy.\nAdditionally, a gigantic amount of people work in critical industries and simply cant stay home. Just keeping the lights and water on requires tens of millions of workers, plus industries like plants and refineries that simply cannot shut down without massive long-term consequences.\nReddit is full of office people who can WFH, the vast majority of people cant.",
">\n\nI was one of those who couldn't stay home. Right out of the gate most people gave up on almost all of it except when they were making a show of complying when they had to. There was a lot of cheating. I walk through a lot of different areas. The waves of patients and bodies we got at work tracked with that and became predictable.",
">\n\nWhat’s that saying that ends with ”…doomed to repeat it?”",
">\n\nWhy not just require a negative test from everyone?",
">\n\nWho would you expect to pay for that?",
">\n\nGovernments or sponsors from the private sector ideally, I honestly don’t give a fuck. I’ve gotten many free tests from both and I’ve also bought some for like $8.",
">\n\n“Here we go again” from everyone in the comments. \nThe virus never stopped, we did."
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Is this permanent?
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"People from China will travel through Europe and come in to America from the east coast like they did when the pandemic started. This will do nothing if all travelers aboard aren’t made to test.",
">\n\nLet's hope EU and other countries do the same.",
">\n\nI don't know if they will. Australia (for example) had some of the toughest Covid policies and they've essentially just thrown them all out the window.\nSo I don't know how willing countries are to go back to being overly concerned about Covid.",
">\n\nThey should be concerned w chinese, it's spreading like wildfire in china. If we aren't careful, they will come out w covid 20.",
">\n\nIt’s spreading everywhere including the USA. This policy has nothing to do with science or medicine. It’s just politics.",
">\n\nNo. It’s circulating like mad in a population of 1 billion people who haven’t been exposed before. This is how new variants come about. Every country should require negative Covid test for china at least until it cycles through the population",
">\n\n\nNo. It’s circulating like mad in a population of 1 billion people who haven’t been exposed before.\n\nIt's also spreading like mad in all the countries of the world including the USA.\n\nThis is how new variants come about. \n\nAnd they have been for years now.\n\nEvery country should require negative Covid test for china at least until it cycles through the population\n\nOnly for political reasons. There is no scientific or rational demand for this. \nI get it, you hate china, most americans hate china so just be honest and say what you really mean.",
">\n\nStrains are spreading in the west yes, but there are new strains in China that are spreading and we don't know if our vaccines will work with those strains. We know the Chinese vaccines have a low efficacy rate and we know they are not mRNA vaccines which allow for easier adaptation to new strains. Making travelers with a Chinese passport take Covid tests at any and all airports is not racist or even unfair - a reminder that China has been relatively hard to travel to for the last 2 years because they were locked down to foreign travel as well. This is simply good policy from a public health measure, and you not wanting to see that for what it is and instead attribute it to a nascent American hatred for China is laughable. the World Health Organization estimated close to 800 million new cases in China in the next few months, with another estimate 4 million deaths and countless new strains coming out during that period. This is about protection populations, not punishing China.",
">\n\n\nStrains are spreading in the west yes, but there are new strains in China that are spreading and we don't know if our vaccines will work with those strains.\n\nYou don't know if vaccines work against any new variant even if that variant is from a country populated with white people.\n\nWe know the Chinese vaccines have a low efficacy rate and we know they are not mRNA vaccines which allow for easier adaptation to new strains. \n\nThe vaccine doesn't adapt once inside of your body you know that right?\n\nMaking travelers with a Chinese passport take Covid tests at any and all airports is not racist or even unfair \n\nit's definitely unfair and probably racist as well.\n\nhis is simply good policy from a public health measure, a\n\nA good policy would be to require vaccinations from everybody. Think about it, you are requiring a vaccine that you said doesn't even work. How much sense does that make?\n\nattribute it to a nascent American hatred for China is laughable.\n\nNascent?\n\nThis is about protection populations, not punishing China.\n\nIt's definitely about punishing china, it's a part of the current cold war with China conducted by the USA.",
">\n\n\nYou don't know if vaccines work against any new variant even if that variant is from a country populated with white people.\n\nAll the more reason to not invite more new strains into the country. White population or otherwise has nothing to do with it, expected rise in cases in China does.\n\nThe vaccine doesn't adapt once inside of your body you know that right?\n\nYou missed the point. The point i was making was that the Chinese medical system has not even approached Covid with an mRNA vaccine, and steadfastly refused to license western vaccines. If the vaccine most readily available in China has a 50% efficacy then the population is at more risk of contracting the virus and having negative results. The infection rates are increased with each new case of BA.7 (China is currently seeing each covid patient infecting on average 18 other people represented as 1:18, whereas the in US the rate is 1:3.9). Each of these factors increases the risk of developing new strains that are vaccine resistant. \n\nit's definitely unfair and probably racist as well\n\nIs it your position that nations cannot take any prescriptive action to prevent the spread of infected persons from other countries? Again i would remind you that China has basically been locked down for the last 2 years, with severe limitations to personal freedoms themselves. This is not based on race, but rather a government's inability to contain a contagious outbreak in their own country and not wanting it to spread. \n\nA good policy would be to require vaccinations from everybody. Think about it, you are requiring a vaccine that you said doesn't even work. How much sense does that make?\n\nThat might be your definition on good policy, but it isn't mine and that isn't how the west does it. \"I\" am not requiring a vaccine that \"I\" said doesn't work - that was your suggestion not mine. Also, i said the efficacy of the Chinese vaccine is 50% - based on available information - i never said it didn't work, and i never said that it should be mandatory or required.\n\nNascent?\n\nPoor and wrong word choice on my part it seems. What i meant was ascribing the US decision to require testing of Chinese travelers to racism because you believe that the US is racist is laughable. Taking a test to prove that you are covid negative is far less onerous on a traveler than most visa requirements.\n\nIt's definitely about punishing china, it's a part of the current cold war with China conducted by the USA.\n\nCite your sources. I could point to many Chinese government policies that i could say are part of the current cold war with the US without backing it up and it would be just as credible as what you said. Opinion is not a source, and not proof. You assume that the US government is racist, that this policy is racist and yet we have had travel bans imposed on other countries, as well as testing required for travelers from other countries imposed before, and other policies and so has China. For goodness sake China has been closed to foreigners for almost 3 years, and is still closed to foreign travel until January 2023. Is that a racist policy as well?",
">\n\nHere we go again.\nThis time I think I'll learn French cooking.",
">\n\n5000 People a day will have to die before Anybody says the word Lock down in the States ever again.",
">\n\nDon’t understand why people can’t handle staying at home for two weeks when it could potentially eradicate a deadly virus. Are we that weak?",
">\n\nWe did that in large part in March 2020. And did China not spend years locking down their citizens? \nPeoples savings are gone. They need to work. \nWearing a mask would do a lot to help the issue but people aren’t willing to do that anymore.",
">\n\nWe didn't do that though. We didn't all lock down when we were supposed to. Where I work I had to go in from the very start all the way through. Most people, the majority of people, didn't stay home even if they didn't have work. Most people didn't fuck with masks or keeping a distance, and even people who weren't antivaccers didn't take the vaccine seriously for the longest time. \nWe had no fucking lock down, unless you were a well-off celebrity or comedian who wanted to talk about being locked down for content. \nIf people legit locked down, they would have taken a small hit financially, but too many people didn't do shit and prolonged everything.",
">\n\nThe things is that it doesn't take long to drain peoples saving - becuase the overwhelming majority of people have practically none. \nSo an extended lockdown was never feasible unless the government was willing to pay several trillion dollars of expenses, not just 2 or 3 times but several times over.",
">\n\nI didn't dispute any of what you said. I pointed out that most people actively contested any safety measure and most people didn't actually lock down. Any extension will almost certainly be the fault of most of those people. \nI'd gladly let them all die if it meant the few people who did take things seriously didn't have to live through a Walking Dead scenario or have to take a huge financial hit because them.",
">\n\nMost people did lock down just fine initially. After a few weeks turned into a month or more, yeah people got testy.\nAdditionally, a gigantic amount of people work in critical industries and simply cant stay home. Just keeping the lights and water on requires tens of millions of workers, plus industries like plants and refineries that simply cannot shut down without massive long-term consequences.\nReddit is full of office people who can WFH, the vast majority of people cant.",
">\n\nI was one of those who couldn't stay home. Right out of the gate most people gave up on almost all of it except when they were making a show of complying when they had to. There was a lot of cheating. I walk through a lot of different areas. The waves of patients and bodies we got at work tracked with that and became predictable.",
">\n\nWhat’s that saying that ends with ”…doomed to repeat it?”",
">\n\nWhy not just require a negative test from everyone?",
">\n\nWho would you expect to pay for that?",
">\n\nGovernments or sponsors from the private sector ideally, I honestly don’t give a fuck. I’ve gotten many free tests from both and I’ve also bought some for like $8.",
">\n\n“Here we go again” from everyone in the comments. \nThe virus never stopped, we did.",
">\n\nVirus will always be there. Permanent restrictions are unsustainable"
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I doubt there's anything that would make Republicans running in 2024 happier then Democrats advocating for a return to COVID restrictions.
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"People from China will travel through Europe and come in to America from the east coast like they did when the pandemic started. This will do nothing if all travelers aboard aren’t made to test.",
">\n\nLet's hope EU and other countries do the same.",
">\n\nI don't know if they will. Australia (for example) had some of the toughest Covid policies and they've essentially just thrown them all out the window.\nSo I don't know how willing countries are to go back to being overly concerned about Covid.",
">\n\nThey should be concerned w chinese, it's spreading like wildfire in china. If we aren't careful, they will come out w covid 20.",
">\n\nIt’s spreading everywhere including the USA. This policy has nothing to do with science or medicine. It’s just politics.",
">\n\nNo. It’s circulating like mad in a population of 1 billion people who haven’t been exposed before. This is how new variants come about. Every country should require negative Covid test for china at least until it cycles through the population",
">\n\n\nNo. It’s circulating like mad in a population of 1 billion people who haven’t been exposed before.\n\nIt's also spreading like mad in all the countries of the world including the USA.\n\nThis is how new variants come about. \n\nAnd they have been for years now.\n\nEvery country should require negative Covid test for china at least until it cycles through the population\n\nOnly for political reasons. There is no scientific or rational demand for this. \nI get it, you hate china, most americans hate china so just be honest and say what you really mean.",
">\n\nStrains are spreading in the west yes, but there are new strains in China that are spreading and we don't know if our vaccines will work with those strains. We know the Chinese vaccines have a low efficacy rate and we know they are not mRNA vaccines which allow for easier adaptation to new strains. Making travelers with a Chinese passport take Covid tests at any and all airports is not racist or even unfair - a reminder that China has been relatively hard to travel to for the last 2 years because they were locked down to foreign travel as well. This is simply good policy from a public health measure, and you not wanting to see that for what it is and instead attribute it to a nascent American hatred for China is laughable. the World Health Organization estimated close to 800 million new cases in China in the next few months, with another estimate 4 million deaths and countless new strains coming out during that period. This is about protection populations, not punishing China.",
">\n\n\nStrains are spreading in the west yes, but there are new strains in China that are spreading and we don't know if our vaccines will work with those strains.\n\nYou don't know if vaccines work against any new variant even if that variant is from a country populated with white people.\n\nWe know the Chinese vaccines have a low efficacy rate and we know they are not mRNA vaccines which allow for easier adaptation to new strains. \n\nThe vaccine doesn't adapt once inside of your body you know that right?\n\nMaking travelers with a Chinese passport take Covid tests at any and all airports is not racist or even unfair \n\nit's definitely unfair and probably racist as well.\n\nhis is simply good policy from a public health measure, a\n\nA good policy would be to require vaccinations from everybody. Think about it, you are requiring a vaccine that you said doesn't even work. How much sense does that make?\n\nattribute it to a nascent American hatred for China is laughable.\n\nNascent?\n\nThis is about protection populations, not punishing China.\n\nIt's definitely about punishing china, it's a part of the current cold war with China conducted by the USA.",
">\n\n\nYou don't know if vaccines work against any new variant even if that variant is from a country populated with white people.\n\nAll the more reason to not invite more new strains into the country. White population or otherwise has nothing to do with it, expected rise in cases in China does.\n\nThe vaccine doesn't adapt once inside of your body you know that right?\n\nYou missed the point. The point i was making was that the Chinese medical system has not even approached Covid with an mRNA vaccine, and steadfastly refused to license western vaccines. If the vaccine most readily available in China has a 50% efficacy then the population is at more risk of contracting the virus and having negative results. The infection rates are increased with each new case of BA.7 (China is currently seeing each covid patient infecting on average 18 other people represented as 1:18, whereas the in US the rate is 1:3.9). Each of these factors increases the risk of developing new strains that are vaccine resistant. \n\nit's definitely unfair and probably racist as well\n\nIs it your position that nations cannot take any prescriptive action to prevent the spread of infected persons from other countries? Again i would remind you that China has basically been locked down for the last 2 years, with severe limitations to personal freedoms themselves. This is not based on race, but rather a government's inability to contain a contagious outbreak in their own country and not wanting it to spread. \n\nA good policy would be to require vaccinations from everybody. Think about it, you are requiring a vaccine that you said doesn't even work. How much sense does that make?\n\nThat might be your definition on good policy, but it isn't mine and that isn't how the west does it. \"I\" am not requiring a vaccine that \"I\" said doesn't work - that was your suggestion not mine. Also, i said the efficacy of the Chinese vaccine is 50% - based on available information - i never said it didn't work, and i never said that it should be mandatory or required.\n\nNascent?\n\nPoor and wrong word choice on my part it seems. What i meant was ascribing the US decision to require testing of Chinese travelers to racism because you believe that the US is racist is laughable. Taking a test to prove that you are covid negative is far less onerous on a traveler than most visa requirements.\n\nIt's definitely about punishing china, it's a part of the current cold war with China conducted by the USA.\n\nCite your sources. I could point to many Chinese government policies that i could say are part of the current cold war with the US without backing it up and it would be just as credible as what you said. Opinion is not a source, and not proof. You assume that the US government is racist, that this policy is racist and yet we have had travel bans imposed on other countries, as well as testing required for travelers from other countries imposed before, and other policies and so has China. For goodness sake China has been closed to foreigners for almost 3 years, and is still closed to foreign travel until January 2023. Is that a racist policy as well?",
">\n\nHere we go again.\nThis time I think I'll learn French cooking.",
">\n\n5000 People a day will have to die before Anybody says the word Lock down in the States ever again.",
">\n\nDon’t understand why people can’t handle staying at home for two weeks when it could potentially eradicate a deadly virus. Are we that weak?",
">\n\nWe did that in large part in March 2020. And did China not spend years locking down their citizens? \nPeoples savings are gone. They need to work. \nWearing a mask would do a lot to help the issue but people aren’t willing to do that anymore.",
">\n\nWe didn't do that though. We didn't all lock down when we were supposed to. Where I work I had to go in from the very start all the way through. Most people, the majority of people, didn't stay home even if they didn't have work. Most people didn't fuck with masks or keeping a distance, and even people who weren't antivaccers didn't take the vaccine seriously for the longest time. \nWe had no fucking lock down, unless you were a well-off celebrity or comedian who wanted to talk about being locked down for content. \nIf people legit locked down, they would have taken a small hit financially, but too many people didn't do shit and prolonged everything.",
">\n\nThe things is that it doesn't take long to drain peoples saving - becuase the overwhelming majority of people have practically none. \nSo an extended lockdown was never feasible unless the government was willing to pay several trillion dollars of expenses, not just 2 or 3 times but several times over.",
">\n\nI didn't dispute any of what you said. I pointed out that most people actively contested any safety measure and most people didn't actually lock down. Any extension will almost certainly be the fault of most of those people. \nI'd gladly let them all die if it meant the few people who did take things seriously didn't have to live through a Walking Dead scenario or have to take a huge financial hit because them.",
">\n\nMost people did lock down just fine initially. After a few weeks turned into a month or more, yeah people got testy.\nAdditionally, a gigantic amount of people work in critical industries and simply cant stay home. Just keeping the lights and water on requires tens of millions of workers, plus industries like plants and refineries that simply cannot shut down without massive long-term consequences.\nReddit is full of office people who can WFH, the vast majority of people cant.",
">\n\nI was one of those who couldn't stay home. Right out of the gate most people gave up on almost all of it except when they were making a show of complying when they had to. There was a lot of cheating. I walk through a lot of different areas. The waves of patients and bodies we got at work tracked with that and became predictable.",
">\n\nWhat’s that saying that ends with ”…doomed to repeat it?”",
">\n\nWhy not just require a negative test from everyone?",
">\n\nWho would you expect to pay for that?",
">\n\nGovernments or sponsors from the private sector ideally, I honestly don’t give a fuck. I’ve gotten many free tests from both and I’ve also bought some for like $8.",
">\n\n“Here we go again” from everyone in the comments. \nThe virus never stopped, we did.",
">\n\nVirus will always be there. Permanent restrictions are unsustainable",
">\n\n3 years later...\nIs this permanent?"
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Right? It’d be like the democrats fighting for gun control, or gay and trans rights, or safe and legal abortions. It would be political suicide to stand for something that Republicans don’t like!
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"People from China will travel through Europe and come in to America from the east coast like they did when the pandemic started. This will do nothing if all travelers aboard aren’t made to test.",
">\n\nLet's hope EU and other countries do the same.",
">\n\nI don't know if they will. Australia (for example) had some of the toughest Covid policies and they've essentially just thrown them all out the window.\nSo I don't know how willing countries are to go back to being overly concerned about Covid.",
">\n\nThey should be concerned w chinese, it's spreading like wildfire in china. If we aren't careful, they will come out w covid 20.",
">\n\nIt’s spreading everywhere including the USA. This policy has nothing to do with science or medicine. It’s just politics.",
">\n\nNo. It’s circulating like mad in a population of 1 billion people who haven’t been exposed before. This is how new variants come about. Every country should require negative Covid test for china at least until it cycles through the population",
">\n\n\nNo. It’s circulating like mad in a population of 1 billion people who haven’t been exposed before.\n\nIt's also spreading like mad in all the countries of the world including the USA.\n\nThis is how new variants come about. \n\nAnd they have been for years now.\n\nEvery country should require negative Covid test for china at least until it cycles through the population\n\nOnly for political reasons. There is no scientific or rational demand for this. \nI get it, you hate china, most americans hate china so just be honest and say what you really mean.",
">\n\nStrains are spreading in the west yes, but there are new strains in China that are spreading and we don't know if our vaccines will work with those strains. We know the Chinese vaccines have a low efficacy rate and we know they are not mRNA vaccines which allow for easier adaptation to new strains. Making travelers with a Chinese passport take Covid tests at any and all airports is not racist or even unfair - a reminder that China has been relatively hard to travel to for the last 2 years because they were locked down to foreign travel as well. This is simply good policy from a public health measure, and you not wanting to see that for what it is and instead attribute it to a nascent American hatred for China is laughable. the World Health Organization estimated close to 800 million new cases in China in the next few months, with another estimate 4 million deaths and countless new strains coming out during that period. This is about protection populations, not punishing China.",
">\n\n\nStrains are spreading in the west yes, but there are new strains in China that are spreading and we don't know if our vaccines will work with those strains.\n\nYou don't know if vaccines work against any new variant even if that variant is from a country populated with white people.\n\nWe know the Chinese vaccines have a low efficacy rate and we know they are not mRNA vaccines which allow for easier adaptation to new strains. \n\nThe vaccine doesn't adapt once inside of your body you know that right?\n\nMaking travelers with a Chinese passport take Covid tests at any and all airports is not racist or even unfair \n\nit's definitely unfair and probably racist as well.\n\nhis is simply good policy from a public health measure, a\n\nA good policy would be to require vaccinations from everybody. Think about it, you are requiring a vaccine that you said doesn't even work. How much sense does that make?\n\nattribute it to a nascent American hatred for China is laughable.\n\nNascent?\n\nThis is about protection populations, not punishing China.\n\nIt's definitely about punishing china, it's a part of the current cold war with China conducted by the USA.",
">\n\n\nYou don't know if vaccines work against any new variant even if that variant is from a country populated with white people.\n\nAll the more reason to not invite more new strains into the country. White population or otherwise has nothing to do with it, expected rise in cases in China does.\n\nThe vaccine doesn't adapt once inside of your body you know that right?\n\nYou missed the point. The point i was making was that the Chinese medical system has not even approached Covid with an mRNA vaccine, and steadfastly refused to license western vaccines. If the vaccine most readily available in China has a 50% efficacy then the population is at more risk of contracting the virus and having negative results. The infection rates are increased with each new case of BA.7 (China is currently seeing each covid patient infecting on average 18 other people represented as 1:18, whereas the in US the rate is 1:3.9). Each of these factors increases the risk of developing new strains that are vaccine resistant. \n\nit's definitely unfair and probably racist as well\n\nIs it your position that nations cannot take any prescriptive action to prevent the spread of infected persons from other countries? Again i would remind you that China has basically been locked down for the last 2 years, with severe limitations to personal freedoms themselves. This is not based on race, but rather a government's inability to contain a contagious outbreak in their own country and not wanting it to spread. \n\nA good policy would be to require vaccinations from everybody. Think about it, you are requiring a vaccine that you said doesn't even work. How much sense does that make?\n\nThat might be your definition on good policy, but it isn't mine and that isn't how the west does it. \"I\" am not requiring a vaccine that \"I\" said doesn't work - that was your suggestion not mine. Also, i said the efficacy of the Chinese vaccine is 50% - based on available information - i never said it didn't work, and i never said that it should be mandatory or required.\n\nNascent?\n\nPoor and wrong word choice on my part it seems. What i meant was ascribing the US decision to require testing of Chinese travelers to racism because you believe that the US is racist is laughable. Taking a test to prove that you are covid negative is far less onerous on a traveler than most visa requirements.\n\nIt's definitely about punishing china, it's a part of the current cold war with China conducted by the USA.\n\nCite your sources. I could point to many Chinese government policies that i could say are part of the current cold war with the US without backing it up and it would be just as credible as what you said. Opinion is not a source, and not proof. You assume that the US government is racist, that this policy is racist and yet we have had travel bans imposed on other countries, as well as testing required for travelers from other countries imposed before, and other policies and so has China. For goodness sake China has been closed to foreigners for almost 3 years, and is still closed to foreign travel until January 2023. Is that a racist policy as well?",
">\n\nHere we go again.\nThis time I think I'll learn French cooking.",
">\n\n5000 People a day will have to die before Anybody says the word Lock down in the States ever again.",
">\n\nDon’t understand why people can’t handle staying at home for two weeks when it could potentially eradicate a deadly virus. Are we that weak?",
">\n\nWe did that in large part in March 2020. And did China not spend years locking down their citizens? \nPeoples savings are gone. They need to work. \nWearing a mask would do a lot to help the issue but people aren’t willing to do that anymore.",
">\n\nWe didn't do that though. We didn't all lock down when we were supposed to. Where I work I had to go in from the very start all the way through. Most people, the majority of people, didn't stay home even if they didn't have work. Most people didn't fuck with masks or keeping a distance, and even people who weren't antivaccers didn't take the vaccine seriously for the longest time. \nWe had no fucking lock down, unless you were a well-off celebrity or comedian who wanted to talk about being locked down for content. \nIf people legit locked down, they would have taken a small hit financially, but too many people didn't do shit and prolonged everything.",
">\n\nThe things is that it doesn't take long to drain peoples saving - becuase the overwhelming majority of people have practically none. \nSo an extended lockdown was never feasible unless the government was willing to pay several trillion dollars of expenses, not just 2 or 3 times but several times over.",
">\n\nI didn't dispute any of what you said. I pointed out that most people actively contested any safety measure and most people didn't actually lock down. Any extension will almost certainly be the fault of most of those people. \nI'd gladly let them all die if it meant the few people who did take things seriously didn't have to live through a Walking Dead scenario or have to take a huge financial hit because them.",
">\n\nMost people did lock down just fine initially. After a few weeks turned into a month or more, yeah people got testy.\nAdditionally, a gigantic amount of people work in critical industries and simply cant stay home. Just keeping the lights and water on requires tens of millions of workers, plus industries like plants and refineries that simply cannot shut down without massive long-term consequences.\nReddit is full of office people who can WFH, the vast majority of people cant.",
">\n\nI was one of those who couldn't stay home. Right out of the gate most people gave up on almost all of it except when they were making a show of complying when they had to. There was a lot of cheating. I walk through a lot of different areas. The waves of patients and bodies we got at work tracked with that and became predictable.",
">\n\nWhat’s that saying that ends with ”…doomed to repeat it?”",
">\n\nWhy not just require a negative test from everyone?",
">\n\nWho would you expect to pay for that?",
">\n\nGovernments or sponsors from the private sector ideally, I honestly don’t give a fuck. I’ve gotten many free tests from both and I’ve also bought some for like $8.",
">\n\n“Here we go again” from everyone in the comments. \nThe virus never stopped, we did.",
">\n\nVirus will always be there. Permanent restrictions are unsustainable",
">\n\n3 years later...\nIs this permanent?",
">\n\nI doubt there's anything that would make Republicans running in 2024 happier then Democrats advocating for a return to COVID restrictions."
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My understanding is that everything you listed is broadly popular or has at least a majority of American's in favor of it. A return to COVID restrictions is not in that category.
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"People from China will travel through Europe and come in to America from the east coast like they did when the pandemic started. This will do nothing if all travelers aboard aren’t made to test.",
">\n\nLet's hope EU and other countries do the same.",
">\n\nI don't know if they will. Australia (for example) had some of the toughest Covid policies and they've essentially just thrown them all out the window.\nSo I don't know how willing countries are to go back to being overly concerned about Covid.",
">\n\nThey should be concerned w chinese, it's spreading like wildfire in china. If we aren't careful, they will come out w covid 20.",
">\n\nIt’s spreading everywhere including the USA. This policy has nothing to do with science or medicine. It’s just politics.",
">\n\nNo. It’s circulating like mad in a population of 1 billion people who haven’t been exposed before. This is how new variants come about. Every country should require negative Covid test for china at least until it cycles through the population",
">\n\n\nNo. It’s circulating like mad in a population of 1 billion people who haven’t been exposed before.\n\nIt's also spreading like mad in all the countries of the world including the USA.\n\nThis is how new variants come about. \n\nAnd they have been for years now.\n\nEvery country should require negative Covid test for china at least until it cycles through the population\n\nOnly for political reasons. There is no scientific or rational demand for this. \nI get it, you hate china, most americans hate china so just be honest and say what you really mean.",
">\n\nStrains are spreading in the west yes, but there are new strains in China that are spreading and we don't know if our vaccines will work with those strains. We know the Chinese vaccines have a low efficacy rate and we know they are not mRNA vaccines which allow for easier adaptation to new strains. Making travelers with a Chinese passport take Covid tests at any and all airports is not racist or even unfair - a reminder that China has been relatively hard to travel to for the last 2 years because they were locked down to foreign travel as well. This is simply good policy from a public health measure, and you not wanting to see that for what it is and instead attribute it to a nascent American hatred for China is laughable. the World Health Organization estimated close to 800 million new cases in China in the next few months, with another estimate 4 million deaths and countless new strains coming out during that period. This is about protection populations, not punishing China.",
">\n\n\nStrains are spreading in the west yes, but there are new strains in China that are spreading and we don't know if our vaccines will work with those strains.\n\nYou don't know if vaccines work against any new variant even if that variant is from a country populated with white people.\n\nWe know the Chinese vaccines have a low efficacy rate and we know they are not mRNA vaccines which allow for easier adaptation to new strains. \n\nThe vaccine doesn't adapt once inside of your body you know that right?\n\nMaking travelers with a Chinese passport take Covid tests at any and all airports is not racist or even unfair \n\nit's definitely unfair and probably racist as well.\n\nhis is simply good policy from a public health measure, a\n\nA good policy would be to require vaccinations from everybody. Think about it, you are requiring a vaccine that you said doesn't even work. How much sense does that make?\n\nattribute it to a nascent American hatred for China is laughable.\n\nNascent?\n\nThis is about protection populations, not punishing China.\n\nIt's definitely about punishing china, it's a part of the current cold war with China conducted by the USA.",
">\n\n\nYou don't know if vaccines work against any new variant even if that variant is from a country populated with white people.\n\nAll the more reason to not invite more new strains into the country. White population or otherwise has nothing to do with it, expected rise in cases in China does.\n\nThe vaccine doesn't adapt once inside of your body you know that right?\n\nYou missed the point. The point i was making was that the Chinese medical system has not even approached Covid with an mRNA vaccine, and steadfastly refused to license western vaccines. If the vaccine most readily available in China has a 50% efficacy then the population is at more risk of contracting the virus and having negative results. The infection rates are increased with each new case of BA.7 (China is currently seeing each covid patient infecting on average 18 other people represented as 1:18, whereas the in US the rate is 1:3.9). Each of these factors increases the risk of developing new strains that are vaccine resistant. \n\nit's definitely unfair and probably racist as well\n\nIs it your position that nations cannot take any prescriptive action to prevent the spread of infected persons from other countries? Again i would remind you that China has basically been locked down for the last 2 years, with severe limitations to personal freedoms themselves. This is not based on race, but rather a government's inability to contain a contagious outbreak in their own country and not wanting it to spread. \n\nA good policy would be to require vaccinations from everybody. Think about it, you are requiring a vaccine that you said doesn't even work. How much sense does that make?\n\nThat might be your definition on good policy, but it isn't mine and that isn't how the west does it. \"I\" am not requiring a vaccine that \"I\" said doesn't work - that was your suggestion not mine. Also, i said the efficacy of the Chinese vaccine is 50% - based on available information - i never said it didn't work, and i never said that it should be mandatory or required.\n\nNascent?\n\nPoor and wrong word choice on my part it seems. What i meant was ascribing the US decision to require testing of Chinese travelers to racism because you believe that the US is racist is laughable. Taking a test to prove that you are covid negative is far less onerous on a traveler than most visa requirements.\n\nIt's definitely about punishing china, it's a part of the current cold war with China conducted by the USA.\n\nCite your sources. I could point to many Chinese government policies that i could say are part of the current cold war with the US without backing it up and it would be just as credible as what you said. Opinion is not a source, and not proof. You assume that the US government is racist, that this policy is racist and yet we have had travel bans imposed on other countries, as well as testing required for travelers from other countries imposed before, and other policies and so has China. For goodness sake China has been closed to foreigners for almost 3 years, and is still closed to foreign travel until January 2023. Is that a racist policy as well?",
">\n\nHere we go again.\nThis time I think I'll learn French cooking.",
">\n\n5000 People a day will have to die before Anybody says the word Lock down in the States ever again.",
">\n\nDon’t understand why people can’t handle staying at home for two weeks when it could potentially eradicate a deadly virus. Are we that weak?",
">\n\nWe did that in large part in March 2020. And did China not spend years locking down their citizens? \nPeoples savings are gone. They need to work. \nWearing a mask would do a lot to help the issue but people aren’t willing to do that anymore.",
">\n\nWe didn't do that though. We didn't all lock down when we were supposed to. Where I work I had to go in from the very start all the way through. Most people, the majority of people, didn't stay home even if they didn't have work. Most people didn't fuck with masks or keeping a distance, and even people who weren't antivaccers didn't take the vaccine seriously for the longest time. \nWe had no fucking lock down, unless you were a well-off celebrity or comedian who wanted to talk about being locked down for content. \nIf people legit locked down, they would have taken a small hit financially, but too many people didn't do shit and prolonged everything.",
">\n\nThe things is that it doesn't take long to drain peoples saving - becuase the overwhelming majority of people have practically none. \nSo an extended lockdown was never feasible unless the government was willing to pay several trillion dollars of expenses, not just 2 or 3 times but several times over.",
">\n\nI didn't dispute any of what you said. I pointed out that most people actively contested any safety measure and most people didn't actually lock down. Any extension will almost certainly be the fault of most of those people. \nI'd gladly let them all die if it meant the few people who did take things seriously didn't have to live through a Walking Dead scenario or have to take a huge financial hit because them.",
">\n\nMost people did lock down just fine initially. After a few weeks turned into a month or more, yeah people got testy.\nAdditionally, a gigantic amount of people work in critical industries and simply cant stay home. Just keeping the lights and water on requires tens of millions of workers, plus industries like plants and refineries that simply cannot shut down without massive long-term consequences.\nReddit is full of office people who can WFH, the vast majority of people cant.",
">\n\nI was one of those who couldn't stay home. Right out of the gate most people gave up on almost all of it except when they were making a show of complying when they had to. There was a lot of cheating. I walk through a lot of different areas. The waves of patients and bodies we got at work tracked with that and became predictable.",
">\n\nWhat’s that saying that ends with ”…doomed to repeat it?”",
">\n\nWhy not just require a negative test from everyone?",
">\n\nWho would you expect to pay for that?",
">\n\nGovernments or sponsors from the private sector ideally, I honestly don’t give a fuck. I’ve gotten many free tests from both and I’ve also bought some for like $8.",
">\n\n“Here we go again” from everyone in the comments. \nThe virus never stopped, we did.",
">\n\nVirus will always be there. Permanent restrictions are unsustainable",
">\n\n3 years later...\nIs this permanent?",
">\n\nI doubt there's anything that would make Republicans running in 2024 happier then Democrats advocating for a return to COVID restrictions.",
">\n\nRight? It’d be like the democrats fighting for gun control, or gay and trans rights, or safe and legal abortions. It would be political suicide to stand for something that Republicans don’t like!"
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Gun control isn’t even universally loved amongst the American left, as the hard left needs them for protection from the hard right they clash with, and the middle left does like having their guns taken as much as any middle right wing does, only mid left likes it
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"People from China will travel through Europe and come in to America from the east coast like they did when the pandemic started. This will do nothing if all travelers aboard aren’t made to test.",
">\n\nLet's hope EU and other countries do the same.",
">\n\nI don't know if they will. Australia (for example) had some of the toughest Covid policies and they've essentially just thrown them all out the window.\nSo I don't know how willing countries are to go back to being overly concerned about Covid.",
">\n\nThey should be concerned w chinese, it's spreading like wildfire in china. If we aren't careful, they will come out w covid 20.",
">\n\nIt’s spreading everywhere including the USA. This policy has nothing to do with science or medicine. It’s just politics.",
">\n\nNo. It’s circulating like mad in a population of 1 billion people who haven’t been exposed before. This is how new variants come about. Every country should require negative Covid test for china at least until it cycles through the population",
">\n\n\nNo. It’s circulating like mad in a population of 1 billion people who haven’t been exposed before.\n\nIt's also spreading like mad in all the countries of the world including the USA.\n\nThis is how new variants come about. \n\nAnd they have been for years now.\n\nEvery country should require negative Covid test for china at least until it cycles through the population\n\nOnly for political reasons. There is no scientific or rational demand for this. \nI get it, you hate china, most americans hate china so just be honest and say what you really mean.",
">\n\nStrains are spreading in the west yes, but there are new strains in China that are spreading and we don't know if our vaccines will work with those strains. We know the Chinese vaccines have a low efficacy rate and we know they are not mRNA vaccines which allow for easier adaptation to new strains. Making travelers with a Chinese passport take Covid tests at any and all airports is not racist or even unfair - a reminder that China has been relatively hard to travel to for the last 2 years because they were locked down to foreign travel as well. This is simply good policy from a public health measure, and you not wanting to see that for what it is and instead attribute it to a nascent American hatred for China is laughable. the World Health Organization estimated close to 800 million new cases in China in the next few months, with another estimate 4 million deaths and countless new strains coming out during that period. This is about protection populations, not punishing China.",
">\n\n\nStrains are spreading in the west yes, but there are new strains in China that are spreading and we don't know if our vaccines will work with those strains.\n\nYou don't know if vaccines work against any new variant even if that variant is from a country populated with white people.\n\nWe know the Chinese vaccines have a low efficacy rate and we know they are not mRNA vaccines which allow for easier adaptation to new strains. \n\nThe vaccine doesn't adapt once inside of your body you know that right?\n\nMaking travelers with a Chinese passport take Covid tests at any and all airports is not racist or even unfair \n\nit's definitely unfair and probably racist as well.\n\nhis is simply good policy from a public health measure, a\n\nA good policy would be to require vaccinations from everybody. Think about it, you are requiring a vaccine that you said doesn't even work. How much sense does that make?\n\nattribute it to a nascent American hatred for China is laughable.\n\nNascent?\n\nThis is about protection populations, not punishing China.\n\nIt's definitely about punishing china, it's a part of the current cold war with China conducted by the USA.",
">\n\n\nYou don't know if vaccines work against any new variant even if that variant is from a country populated with white people.\n\nAll the more reason to not invite more new strains into the country. White population or otherwise has nothing to do with it, expected rise in cases in China does.\n\nThe vaccine doesn't adapt once inside of your body you know that right?\n\nYou missed the point. The point i was making was that the Chinese medical system has not even approached Covid with an mRNA vaccine, and steadfastly refused to license western vaccines. If the vaccine most readily available in China has a 50% efficacy then the population is at more risk of contracting the virus and having negative results. The infection rates are increased with each new case of BA.7 (China is currently seeing each covid patient infecting on average 18 other people represented as 1:18, whereas the in US the rate is 1:3.9). Each of these factors increases the risk of developing new strains that are vaccine resistant. \n\nit's definitely unfair and probably racist as well\n\nIs it your position that nations cannot take any prescriptive action to prevent the spread of infected persons from other countries? Again i would remind you that China has basically been locked down for the last 2 years, with severe limitations to personal freedoms themselves. This is not based on race, but rather a government's inability to contain a contagious outbreak in their own country and not wanting it to spread. \n\nA good policy would be to require vaccinations from everybody. Think about it, you are requiring a vaccine that you said doesn't even work. How much sense does that make?\n\nThat might be your definition on good policy, but it isn't mine and that isn't how the west does it. \"I\" am not requiring a vaccine that \"I\" said doesn't work - that was your suggestion not mine. Also, i said the efficacy of the Chinese vaccine is 50% - based on available information - i never said it didn't work, and i never said that it should be mandatory or required.\n\nNascent?\n\nPoor and wrong word choice on my part it seems. What i meant was ascribing the US decision to require testing of Chinese travelers to racism because you believe that the US is racist is laughable. Taking a test to prove that you are covid negative is far less onerous on a traveler than most visa requirements.\n\nIt's definitely about punishing china, it's a part of the current cold war with China conducted by the USA.\n\nCite your sources. I could point to many Chinese government policies that i could say are part of the current cold war with the US without backing it up and it would be just as credible as what you said. Opinion is not a source, and not proof. You assume that the US government is racist, that this policy is racist and yet we have had travel bans imposed on other countries, as well as testing required for travelers from other countries imposed before, and other policies and so has China. For goodness sake China has been closed to foreigners for almost 3 years, and is still closed to foreign travel until January 2023. Is that a racist policy as well?",
">\n\nHere we go again.\nThis time I think I'll learn French cooking.",
">\n\n5000 People a day will have to die before Anybody says the word Lock down in the States ever again.",
">\n\nDon’t understand why people can’t handle staying at home for two weeks when it could potentially eradicate a deadly virus. Are we that weak?",
">\n\nWe did that in large part in March 2020. And did China not spend years locking down their citizens? \nPeoples savings are gone. They need to work. \nWearing a mask would do a lot to help the issue but people aren’t willing to do that anymore.",
">\n\nWe didn't do that though. We didn't all lock down when we were supposed to. Where I work I had to go in from the very start all the way through. Most people, the majority of people, didn't stay home even if they didn't have work. Most people didn't fuck with masks or keeping a distance, and even people who weren't antivaccers didn't take the vaccine seriously for the longest time. \nWe had no fucking lock down, unless you were a well-off celebrity or comedian who wanted to talk about being locked down for content. \nIf people legit locked down, they would have taken a small hit financially, but too many people didn't do shit and prolonged everything.",
">\n\nThe things is that it doesn't take long to drain peoples saving - becuase the overwhelming majority of people have practically none. \nSo an extended lockdown was never feasible unless the government was willing to pay several trillion dollars of expenses, not just 2 or 3 times but several times over.",
">\n\nI didn't dispute any of what you said. I pointed out that most people actively contested any safety measure and most people didn't actually lock down. Any extension will almost certainly be the fault of most of those people. \nI'd gladly let them all die if it meant the few people who did take things seriously didn't have to live through a Walking Dead scenario or have to take a huge financial hit because them.",
">\n\nMost people did lock down just fine initially. After a few weeks turned into a month or more, yeah people got testy.\nAdditionally, a gigantic amount of people work in critical industries and simply cant stay home. Just keeping the lights and water on requires tens of millions of workers, plus industries like plants and refineries that simply cannot shut down without massive long-term consequences.\nReddit is full of office people who can WFH, the vast majority of people cant.",
">\n\nI was one of those who couldn't stay home. Right out of the gate most people gave up on almost all of it except when they were making a show of complying when they had to. There was a lot of cheating. I walk through a lot of different areas. The waves of patients and bodies we got at work tracked with that and became predictable.",
">\n\nWhat’s that saying that ends with ”…doomed to repeat it?”",
">\n\nWhy not just require a negative test from everyone?",
">\n\nWho would you expect to pay for that?",
">\n\nGovernments or sponsors from the private sector ideally, I honestly don’t give a fuck. I’ve gotten many free tests from both and I’ve also bought some for like $8.",
">\n\n“Here we go again” from everyone in the comments. \nThe virus never stopped, we did.",
">\n\nVirus will always be there. Permanent restrictions are unsustainable",
">\n\n3 years later...\nIs this permanent?",
">\n\nI doubt there's anything that would make Republicans running in 2024 happier then Democrats advocating for a return to COVID restrictions.",
">\n\nRight? It’d be like the democrats fighting for gun control, or gay and trans rights, or safe and legal abortions. It would be political suicide to stand for something that Republicans don’t like!",
">\n\nMy understanding is that everything you listed is broadly popular or has at least a majority of American's in favor of it. A return to COVID restrictions is not in that category."
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Gallup has 57% of Americans feeling that in general gun laws should be more strict.
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"People from China will travel through Europe and come in to America from the east coast like they did when the pandemic started. This will do nothing if all travelers aboard aren’t made to test.",
">\n\nLet's hope EU and other countries do the same.",
">\n\nI don't know if they will. Australia (for example) had some of the toughest Covid policies and they've essentially just thrown them all out the window.\nSo I don't know how willing countries are to go back to being overly concerned about Covid.",
">\n\nThey should be concerned w chinese, it's spreading like wildfire in china. If we aren't careful, they will come out w covid 20.",
">\n\nIt’s spreading everywhere including the USA. This policy has nothing to do with science or medicine. It’s just politics.",
">\n\nNo. It’s circulating like mad in a population of 1 billion people who haven’t been exposed before. This is how new variants come about. Every country should require negative Covid test for china at least until it cycles through the population",
">\n\n\nNo. It’s circulating like mad in a population of 1 billion people who haven’t been exposed before.\n\nIt's also spreading like mad in all the countries of the world including the USA.\n\nThis is how new variants come about. \n\nAnd they have been for years now.\n\nEvery country should require negative Covid test for china at least until it cycles through the population\n\nOnly for political reasons. There is no scientific or rational demand for this. \nI get it, you hate china, most americans hate china so just be honest and say what you really mean.",
">\n\nStrains are spreading in the west yes, but there are new strains in China that are spreading and we don't know if our vaccines will work with those strains. We know the Chinese vaccines have a low efficacy rate and we know they are not mRNA vaccines which allow for easier adaptation to new strains. Making travelers with a Chinese passport take Covid tests at any and all airports is not racist or even unfair - a reminder that China has been relatively hard to travel to for the last 2 years because they were locked down to foreign travel as well. This is simply good policy from a public health measure, and you not wanting to see that for what it is and instead attribute it to a nascent American hatred for China is laughable. the World Health Organization estimated close to 800 million new cases in China in the next few months, with another estimate 4 million deaths and countless new strains coming out during that period. This is about protection populations, not punishing China.",
">\n\n\nStrains are spreading in the west yes, but there are new strains in China that are spreading and we don't know if our vaccines will work with those strains.\n\nYou don't know if vaccines work against any new variant even if that variant is from a country populated with white people.\n\nWe know the Chinese vaccines have a low efficacy rate and we know they are not mRNA vaccines which allow for easier adaptation to new strains. \n\nThe vaccine doesn't adapt once inside of your body you know that right?\n\nMaking travelers with a Chinese passport take Covid tests at any and all airports is not racist or even unfair \n\nit's definitely unfair and probably racist as well.\n\nhis is simply good policy from a public health measure, a\n\nA good policy would be to require vaccinations from everybody. Think about it, you are requiring a vaccine that you said doesn't even work. How much sense does that make?\n\nattribute it to a nascent American hatred for China is laughable.\n\nNascent?\n\nThis is about protection populations, not punishing China.\n\nIt's definitely about punishing china, it's a part of the current cold war with China conducted by the USA.",
">\n\n\nYou don't know if vaccines work against any new variant even if that variant is from a country populated with white people.\n\nAll the more reason to not invite more new strains into the country. White population or otherwise has nothing to do with it, expected rise in cases in China does.\n\nThe vaccine doesn't adapt once inside of your body you know that right?\n\nYou missed the point. The point i was making was that the Chinese medical system has not even approached Covid with an mRNA vaccine, and steadfastly refused to license western vaccines. If the vaccine most readily available in China has a 50% efficacy then the population is at more risk of contracting the virus and having negative results. The infection rates are increased with each new case of BA.7 (China is currently seeing each covid patient infecting on average 18 other people represented as 1:18, whereas the in US the rate is 1:3.9). Each of these factors increases the risk of developing new strains that are vaccine resistant. \n\nit's definitely unfair and probably racist as well\n\nIs it your position that nations cannot take any prescriptive action to prevent the spread of infected persons from other countries? Again i would remind you that China has basically been locked down for the last 2 years, with severe limitations to personal freedoms themselves. This is not based on race, but rather a government's inability to contain a contagious outbreak in their own country and not wanting it to spread. \n\nA good policy would be to require vaccinations from everybody. Think about it, you are requiring a vaccine that you said doesn't even work. How much sense does that make?\n\nThat might be your definition on good policy, but it isn't mine and that isn't how the west does it. \"I\" am not requiring a vaccine that \"I\" said doesn't work - that was your suggestion not mine. Also, i said the efficacy of the Chinese vaccine is 50% - based on available information - i never said it didn't work, and i never said that it should be mandatory or required.\n\nNascent?\n\nPoor and wrong word choice on my part it seems. What i meant was ascribing the US decision to require testing of Chinese travelers to racism because you believe that the US is racist is laughable. Taking a test to prove that you are covid negative is far less onerous on a traveler than most visa requirements.\n\nIt's definitely about punishing china, it's a part of the current cold war with China conducted by the USA.\n\nCite your sources. I could point to many Chinese government policies that i could say are part of the current cold war with the US without backing it up and it would be just as credible as what you said. Opinion is not a source, and not proof. You assume that the US government is racist, that this policy is racist and yet we have had travel bans imposed on other countries, as well as testing required for travelers from other countries imposed before, and other policies and so has China. For goodness sake China has been closed to foreigners for almost 3 years, and is still closed to foreign travel until January 2023. Is that a racist policy as well?",
">\n\nHere we go again.\nThis time I think I'll learn French cooking.",
">\n\n5000 People a day will have to die before Anybody says the word Lock down in the States ever again.",
">\n\nDon’t understand why people can’t handle staying at home for two weeks when it could potentially eradicate a deadly virus. Are we that weak?",
">\n\nWe did that in large part in March 2020. And did China not spend years locking down their citizens? \nPeoples savings are gone. They need to work. \nWearing a mask would do a lot to help the issue but people aren’t willing to do that anymore.",
">\n\nWe didn't do that though. We didn't all lock down when we were supposed to. Where I work I had to go in from the very start all the way through. Most people, the majority of people, didn't stay home even if they didn't have work. Most people didn't fuck with masks or keeping a distance, and even people who weren't antivaccers didn't take the vaccine seriously for the longest time. \nWe had no fucking lock down, unless you were a well-off celebrity or comedian who wanted to talk about being locked down for content. \nIf people legit locked down, they would have taken a small hit financially, but too many people didn't do shit and prolonged everything.",
">\n\nThe things is that it doesn't take long to drain peoples saving - becuase the overwhelming majority of people have practically none. \nSo an extended lockdown was never feasible unless the government was willing to pay several trillion dollars of expenses, not just 2 or 3 times but several times over.",
">\n\nI didn't dispute any of what you said. I pointed out that most people actively contested any safety measure and most people didn't actually lock down. Any extension will almost certainly be the fault of most of those people. \nI'd gladly let them all die if it meant the few people who did take things seriously didn't have to live through a Walking Dead scenario or have to take a huge financial hit because them.",
">\n\nMost people did lock down just fine initially. After a few weeks turned into a month or more, yeah people got testy.\nAdditionally, a gigantic amount of people work in critical industries and simply cant stay home. Just keeping the lights and water on requires tens of millions of workers, plus industries like plants and refineries that simply cannot shut down without massive long-term consequences.\nReddit is full of office people who can WFH, the vast majority of people cant.",
">\n\nI was one of those who couldn't stay home. Right out of the gate most people gave up on almost all of it except when they were making a show of complying when they had to. There was a lot of cheating. I walk through a lot of different areas. The waves of patients and bodies we got at work tracked with that and became predictable.",
">\n\nWhat’s that saying that ends with ”…doomed to repeat it?”",
">\n\nWhy not just require a negative test from everyone?",
">\n\nWho would you expect to pay for that?",
">\n\nGovernments or sponsors from the private sector ideally, I honestly don’t give a fuck. I’ve gotten many free tests from both and I’ve also bought some for like $8.",
">\n\n“Here we go again” from everyone in the comments. \nThe virus never stopped, we did.",
">\n\nVirus will always be there. Permanent restrictions are unsustainable",
">\n\n3 years later...\nIs this permanent?",
">\n\nI doubt there's anything that would make Republicans running in 2024 happier then Democrats advocating for a return to COVID restrictions.",
">\n\nRight? It’d be like the democrats fighting for gun control, or gay and trans rights, or safe and legal abortions. It would be political suicide to stand for something that Republicans don’t like!",
">\n\nMy understanding is that everything you listed is broadly popular or has at least a majority of American's in favor of it. A return to COVID restrictions is not in that category.",
">\n\nGun control isn’t even universally loved amongst the American left, as the hard left needs them for protection from the hard right they clash with, and the middle left does like having their guns taken as much as any middle right wing does, only mid left likes it"
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Regular people want kids to stop dying while in school. The problem is "stricter laws" is vague and no one can agree on what it means or give a serious proposal that would work, short of confiscation and bans, which are wildly unpopular.
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"People from China will travel through Europe and come in to America from the east coast like they did when the pandemic started. This will do nothing if all travelers aboard aren’t made to test.",
">\n\nLet's hope EU and other countries do the same.",
">\n\nI don't know if they will. Australia (for example) had some of the toughest Covid policies and they've essentially just thrown them all out the window.\nSo I don't know how willing countries are to go back to being overly concerned about Covid.",
">\n\nThey should be concerned w chinese, it's spreading like wildfire in china. If we aren't careful, they will come out w covid 20.",
">\n\nIt’s spreading everywhere including the USA. This policy has nothing to do with science or medicine. It’s just politics.",
">\n\nNo. It’s circulating like mad in a population of 1 billion people who haven’t been exposed before. This is how new variants come about. Every country should require negative Covid test for china at least until it cycles through the population",
">\n\n\nNo. It’s circulating like mad in a population of 1 billion people who haven’t been exposed before.\n\nIt's also spreading like mad in all the countries of the world including the USA.\n\nThis is how new variants come about. \n\nAnd they have been for years now.\n\nEvery country should require negative Covid test for china at least until it cycles through the population\n\nOnly for political reasons. There is no scientific or rational demand for this. \nI get it, you hate china, most americans hate china so just be honest and say what you really mean.",
">\n\nStrains are spreading in the west yes, but there are new strains in China that are spreading and we don't know if our vaccines will work with those strains. We know the Chinese vaccines have a low efficacy rate and we know they are not mRNA vaccines which allow for easier adaptation to new strains. Making travelers with a Chinese passport take Covid tests at any and all airports is not racist or even unfair - a reminder that China has been relatively hard to travel to for the last 2 years because they were locked down to foreign travel as well. This is simply good policy from a public health measure, and you not wanting to see that for what it is and instead attribute it to a nascent American hatred for China is laughable. the World Health Organization estimated close to 800 million new cases in China in the next few months, with another estimate 4 million deaths and countless new strains coming out during that period. This is about protection populations, not punishing China.",
">\n\n\nStrains are spreading in the west yes, but there are new strains in China that are spreading and we don't know if our vaccines will work with those strains.\n\nYou don't know if vaccines work against any new variant even if that variant is from a country populated with white people.\n\nWe know the Chinese vaccines have a low efficacy rate and we know they are not mRNA vaccines which allow for easier adaptation to new strains. \n\nThe vaccine doesn't adapt once inside of your body you know that right?\n\nMaking travelers with a Chinese passport take Covid tests at any and all airports is not racist or even unfair \n\nit's definitely unfair and probably racist as well.\n\nhis is simply good policy from a public health measure, a\n\nA good policy would be to require vaccinations from everybody. Think about it, you are requiring a vaccine that you said doesn't even work. How much sense does that make?\n\nattribute it to a nascent American hatred for China is laughable.\n\nNascent?\n\nThis is about protection populations, not punishing China.\n\nIt's definitely about punishing china, it's a part of the current cold war with China conducted by the USA.",
">\n\n\nYou don't know if vaccines work against any new variant even if that variant is from a country populated with white people.\n\nAll the more reason to not invite more new strains into the country. White population or otherwise has nothing to do with it, expected rise in cases in China does.\n\nThe vaccine doesn't adapt once inside of your body you know that right?\n\nYou missed the point. The point i was making was that the Chinese medical system has not even approached Covid with an mRNA vaccine, and steadfastly refused to license western vaccines. If the vaccine most readily available in China has a 50% efficacy then the population is at more risk of contracting the virus and having negative results. The infection rates are increased with each new case of BA.7 (China is currently seeing each covid patient infecting on average 18 other people represented as 1:18, whereas the in US the rate is 1:3.9). Each of these factors increases the risk of developing new strains that are vaccine resistant. \n\nit's definitely unfair and probably racist as well\n\nIs it your position that nations cannot take any prescriptive action to prevent the spread of infected persons from other countries? Again i would remind you that China has basically been locked down for the last 2 years, with severe limitations to personal freedoms themselves. This is not based on race, but rather a government's inability to contain a contagious outbreak in their own country and not wanting it to spread. \n\nA good policy would be to require vaccinations from everybody. Think about it, you are requiring a vaccine that you said doesn't even work. How much sense does that make?\n\nThat might be your definition on good policy, but it isn't mine and that isn't how the west does it. \"I\" am not requiring a vaccine that \"I\" said doesn't work - that was your suggestion not mine. Also, i said the efficacy of the Chinese vaccine is 50% - based on available information - i never said it didn't work, and i never said that it should be mandatory or required.\n\nNascent?\n\nPoor and wrong word choice on my part it seems. What i meant was ascribing the US decision to require testing of Chinese travelers to racism because you believe that the US is racist is laughable. Taking a test to prove that you are covid negative is far less onerous on a traveler than most visa requirements.\n\nIt's definitely about punishing china, it's a part of the current cold war with China conducted by the USA.\n\nCite your sources. I could point to many Chinese government policies that i could say are part of the current cold war with the US without backing it up and it would be just as credible as what you said. Opinion is not a source, and not proof. You assume that the US government is racist, that this policy is racist and yet we have had travel bans imposed on other countries, as well as testing required for travelers from other countries imposed before, and other policies and so has China. For goodness sake China has been closed to foreigners for almost 3 years, and is still closed to foreign travel until January 2023. Is that a racist policy as well?",
">\n\nHere we go again.\nThis time I think I'll learn French cooking.",
">\n\n5000 People a day will have to die before Anybody says the word Lock down in the States ever again.",
">\n\nDon’t understand why people can’t handle staying at home for two weeks when it could potentially eradicate a deadly virus. Are we that weak?",
">\n\nWe did that in large part in March 2020. And did China not spend years locking down their citizens? \nPeoples savings are gone. They need to work. \nWearing a mask would do a lot to help the issue but people aren’t willing to do that anymore.",
">\n\nWe didn't do that though. We didn't all lock down when we were supposed to. Where I work I had to go in from the very start all the way through. Most people, the majority of people, didn't stay home even if they didn't have work. Most people didn't fuck with masks or keeping a distance, and even people who weren't antivaccers didn't take the vaccine seriously for the longest time. \nWe had no fucking lock down, unless you were a well-off celebrity or comedian who wanted to talk about being locked down for content. \nIf people legit locked down, they would have taken a small hit financially, but too many people didn't do shit and prolonged everything.",
">\n\nThe things is that it doesn't take long to drain peoples saving - becuase the overwhelming majority of people have practically none. \nSo an extended lockdown was never feasible unless the government was willing to pay several trillion dollars of expenses, not just 2 or 3 times but several times over.",
">\n\nI didn't dispute any of what you said. I pointed out that most people actively contested any safety measure and most people didn't actually lock down. Any extension will almost certainly be the fault of most of those people. \nI'd gladly let them all die if it meant the few people who did take things seriously didn't have to live through a Walking Dead scenario or have to take a huge financial hit because them.",
">\n\nMost people did lock down just fine initially. After a few weeks turned into a month or more, yeah people got testy.\nAdditionally, a gigantic amount of people work in critical industries and simply cant stay home. Just keeping the lights and water on requires tens of millions of workers, plus industries like plants and refineries that simply cannot shut down without massive long-term consequences.\nReddit is full of office people who can WFH, the vast majority of people cant.",
">\n\nI was one of those who couldn't stay home. Right out of the gate most people gave up on almost all of it except when they were making a show of complying when they had to. There was a lot of cheating. I walk through a lot of different areas. The waves of patients and bodies we got at work tracked with that and became predictable.",
">\n\nWhat’s that saying that ends with ”…doomed to repeat it?”",
">\n\nWhy not just require a negative test from everyone?",
">\n\nWho would you expect to pay for that?",
">\n\nGovernments or sponsors from the private sector ideally, I honestly don’t give a fuck. I’ve gotten many free tests from both and I’ve also bought some for like $8.",
">\n\n“Here we go again” from everyone in the comments. \nThe virus never stopped, we did.",
">\n\nVirus will always be there. Permanent restrictions are unsustainable",
">\n\n3 years later...\nIs this permanent?",
">\n\nI doubt there's anything that would make Republicans running in 2024 happier then Democrats advocating for a return to COVID restrictions.",
">\n\nRight? It’d be like the democrats fighting for gun control, or gay and trans rights, or safe and legal abortions. It would be political suicide to stand for something that Republicans don’t like!",
">\n\nMy understanding is that everything you listed is broadly popular or has at least a majority of American's in favor of it. A return to COVID restrictions is not in that category.",
">\n\nGun control isn’t even universally loved amongst the American left, as the hard left needs them for protection from the hard right they clash with, and the middle left does like having their guns taken as much as any middle right wing does, only mid left likes it",
">\n\nGallup has 57% of Americans feeling that in general gun laws should be more strict."
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Vague political talking points is the best we’re going to get. Much as I’d love a Ross Perot style of breaking down every platform and promise, the general public doesn’t go for it. Buzz words are all we have the attention span for.
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"People from China will travel through Europe and come in to America from the east coast like they did when the pandemic started. This will do nothing if all travelers aboard aren’t made to test.",
">\n\nLet's hope EU and other countries do the same.",
">\n\nI don't know if they will. Australia (for example) had some of the toughest Covid policies and they've essentially just thrown them all out the window.\nSo I don't know how willing countries are to go back to being overly concerned about Covid.",
">\n\nThey should be concerned w chinese, it's spreading like wildfire in china. If we aren't careful, they will come out w covid 20.",
">\n\nIt’s spreading everywhere including the USA. This policy has nothing to do with science or medicine. It’s just politics.",
">\n\nNo. It’s circulating like mad in a population of 1 billion people who haven’t been exposed before. This is how new variants come about. Every country should require negative Covid test for china at least until it cycles through the population",
">\n\n\nNo. It’s circulating like mad in a population of 1 billion people who haven’t been exposed before.\n\nIt's also spreading like mad in all the countries of the world including the USA.\n\nThis is how new variants come about. \n\nAnd they have been for years now.\n\nEvery country should require negative Covid test for china at least until it cycles through the population\n\nOnly for political reasons. There is no scientific or rational demand for this. \nI get it, you hate china, most americans hate china so just be honest and say what you really mean.",
">\n\nStrains are spreading in the west yes, but there are new strains in China that are spreading and we don't know if our vaccines will work with those strains. We know the Chinese vaccines have a low efficacy rate and we know they are not mRNA vaccines which allow for easier adaptation to new strains. Making travelers with a Chinese passport take Covid tests at any and all airports is not racist or even unfair - a reminder that China has been relatively hard to travel to for the last 2 years because they were locked down to foreign travel as well. This is simply good policy from a public health measure, and you not wanting to see that for what it is and instead attribute it to a nascent American hatred for China is laughable. the World Health Organization estimated close to 800 million new cases in China in the next few months, with another estimate 4 million deaths and countless new strains coming out during that period. This is about protection populations, not punishing China.",
">\n\n\nStrains are spreading in the west yes, but there are new strains in China that are spreading and we don't know if our vaccines will work with those strains.\n\nYou don't know if vaccines work against any new variant even if that variant is from a country populated with white people.\n\nWe know the Chinese vaccines have a low efficacy rate and we know they are not mRNA vaccines which allow for easier adaptation to new strains. \n\nThe vaccine doesn't adapt once inside of your body you know that right?\n\nMaking travelers with a Chinese passport take Covid tests at any and all airports is not racist or even unfair \n\nit's definitely unfair and probably racist as well.\n\nhis is simply good policy from a public health measure, a\n\nA good policy would be to require vaccinations from everybody. Think about it, you are requiring a vaccine that you said doesn't even work. How much sense does that make?\n\nattribute it to a nascent American hatred for China is laughable.\n\nNascent?\n\nThis is about protection populations, not punishing China.\n\nIt's definitely about punishing china, it's a part of the current cold war with China conducted by the USA.",
">\n\n\nYou don't know if vaccines work against any new variant even if that variant is from a country populated with white people.\n\nAll the more reason to not invite more new strains into the country. White population or otherwise has nothing to do with it, expected rise in cases in China does.\n\nThe vaccine doesn't adapt once inside of your body you know that right?\n\nYou missed the point. The point i was making was that the Chinese medical system has not even approached Covid with an mRNA vaccine, and steadfastly refused to license western vaccines. If the vaccine most readily available in China has a 50% efficacy then the population is at more risk of contracting the virus and having negative results. The infection rates are increased with each new case of BA.7 (China is currently seeing each covid patient infecting on average 18 other people represented as 1:18, whereas the in US the rate is 1:3.9). Each of these factors increases the risk of developing new strains that are vaccine resistant. \n\nit's definitely unfair and probably racist as well\n\nIs it your position that nations cannot take any prescriptive action to prevent the spread of infected persons from other countries? Again i would remind you that China has basically been locked down for the last 2 years, with severe limitations to personal freedoms themselves. This is not based on race, but rather a government's inability to contain a contagious outbreak in their own country and not wanting it to spread. \n\nA good policy would be to require vaccinations from everybody. Think about it, you are requiring a vaccine that you said doesn't even work. How much sense does that make?\n\nThat might be your definition on good policy, but it isn't mine and that isn't how the west does it. \"I\" am not requiring a vaccine that \"I\" said doesn't work - that was your suggestion not mine. Also, i said the efficacy of the Chinese vaccine is 50% - based on available information - i never said it didn't work, and i never said that it should be mandatory or required.\n\nNascent?\n\nPoor and wrong word choice on my part it seems. What i meant was ascribing the US decision to require testing of Chinese travelers to racism because you believe that the US is racist is laughable. Taking a test to prove that you are covid negative is far less onerous on a traveler than most visa requirements.\n\nIt's definitely about punishing china, it's a part of the current cold war with China conducted by the USA.\n\nCite your sources. I could point to many Chinese government policies that i could say are part of the current cold war with the US without backing it up and it would be just as credible as what you said. Opinion is not a source, and not proof. You assume that the US government is racist, that this policy is racist and yet we have had travel bans imposed on other countries, as well as testing required for travelers from other countries imposed before, and other policies and so has China. For goodness sake China has been closed to foreigners for almost 3 years, and is still closed to foreign travel until January 2023. Is that a racist policy as well?",
">\n\nHere we go again.\nThis time I think I'll learn French cooking.",
">\n\n5000 People a day will have to die before Anybody says the word Lock down in the States ever again.",
">\n\nDon’t understand why people can’t handle staying at home for two weeks when it could potentially eradicate a deadly virus. Are we that weak?",
">\n\nWe did that in large part in March 2020. And did China not spend years locking down their citizens? \nPeoples savings are gone. They need to work. \nWearing a mask would do a lot to help the issue but people aren’t willing to do that anymore.",
">\n\nWe didn't do that though. We didn't all lock down when we were supposed to. Where I work I had to go in from the very start all the way through. Most people, the majority of people, didn't stay home even if they didn't have work. Most people didn't fuck with masks or keeping a distance, and even people who weren't antivaccers didn't take the vaccine seriously for the longest time. \nWe had no fucking lock down, unless you were a well-off celebrity or comedian who wanted to talk about being locked down for content. \nIf people legit locked down, they would have taken a small hit financially, but too many people didn't do shit and prolonged everything.",
">\n\nThe things is that it doesn't take long to drain peoples saving - becuase the overwhelming majority of people have practically none. \nSo an extended lockdown was never feasible unless the government was willing to pay several trillion dollars of expenses, not just 2 or 3 times but several times over.",
">\n\nI didn't dispute any of what you said. I pointed out that most people actively contested any safety measure and most people didn't actually lock down. Any extension will almost certainly be the fault of most of those people. \nI'd gladly let them all die if it meant the few people who did take things seriously didn't have to live through a Walking Dead scenario or have to take a huge financial hit because them.",
">\n\nMost people did lock down just fine initially. After a few weeks turned into a month or more, yeah people got testy.\nAdditionally, a gigantic amount of people work in critical industries and simply cant stay home. Just keeping the lights and water on requires tens of millions of workers, plus industries like plants and refineries that simply cannot shut down without massive long-term consequences.\nReddit is full of office people who can WFH, the vast majority of people cant.",
">\n\nI was one of those who couldn't stay home. Right out of the gate most people gave up on almost all of it except when they were making a show of complying when they had to. There was a lot of cheating. I walk through a lot of different areas. The waves of patients and bodies we got at work tracked with that and became predictable.",
">\n\nWhat’s that saying that ends with ”…doomed to repeat it?”",
">\n\nWhy not just require a negative test from everyone?",
">\n\nWho would you expect to pay for that?",
">\n\nGovernments or sponsors from the private sector ideally, I honestly don’t give a fuck. I’ve gotten many free tests from both and I’ve also bought some for like $8.",
">\n\n“Here we go again” from everyone in the comments. \nThe virus never stopped, we did.",
">\n\nVirus will always be there. Permanent restrictions are unsustainable",
">\n\n3 years later...\nIs this permanent?",
">\n\nI doubt there's anything that would make Republicans running in 2024 happier then Democrats advocating for a return to COVID restrictions.",
">\n\nRight? It’d be like the democrats fighting for gun control, or gay and trans rights, or safe and legal abortions. It would be political suicide to stand for something that Republicans don’t like!",
">\n\nMy understanding is that everything you listed is broadly popular or has at least a majority of American's in favor of it. A return to COVID restrictions is not in that category.",
">\n\nGun control isn’t even universally loved amongst the American left, as the hard left needs them for protection from the hard right they clash with, and the middle left does like having their guns taken as much as any middle right wing does, only mid left likes it",
">\n\nGallup has 57% of Americans feeling that in general gun laws should be more strict.",
">\n\nRegular people want kids to stop dying while in school. The problem is \"stricter laws\" is vague and no one can agree on what it means or give a serious proposal that would work, short of confiscation and bans, which are wildly unpopular."
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China's COVID-19 surge raises odds of new coronavirus variants
Things could get very ugly.
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"People from China will travel through Europe and come in to America from the east coast like they did when the pandemic started. This will do nothing if all travelers aboard aren’t made to test.",
">\n\nLet's hope EU and other countries do the same.",
">\n\nI don't know if they will. Australia (for example) had some of the toughest Covid policies and they've essentially just thrown them all out the window.\nSo I don't know how willing countries are to go back to being overly concerned about Covid.",
">\n\nThey should be concerned w chinese, it's spreading like wildfire in china. If we aren't careful, they will come out w covid 20.",
">\n\nIt’s spreading everywhere including the USA. This policy has nothing to do with science or medicine. It’s just politics.",
">\n\nNo. It’s circulating like mad in a population of 1 billion people who haven’t been exposed before. This is how new variants come about. Every country should require negative Covid test for china at least until it cycles through the population",
">\n\n\nNo. It’s circulating like mad in a population of 1 billion people who haven’t been exposed before.\n\nIt's also spreading like mad in all the countries of the world including the USA.\n\nThis is how new variants come about. \n\nAnd they have been for years now.\n\nEvery country should require negative Covid test for china at least until it cycles through the population\n\nOnly for political reasons. There is no scientific or rational demand for this. \nI get it, you hate china, most americans hate china so just be honest and say what you really mean.",
">\n\nStrains are spreading in the west yes, but there are new strains in China that are spreading and we don't know if our vaccines will work with those strains. We know the Chinese vaccines have a low efficacy rate and we know they are not mRNA vaccines which allow for easier adaptation to new strains. Making travelers with a Chinese passport take Covid tests at any and all airports is not racist or even unfair - a reminder that China has been relatively hard to travel to for the last 2 years because they were locked down to foreign travel as well. This is simply good policy from a public health measure, and you not wanting to see that for what it is and instead attribute it to a nascent American hatred for China is laughable. the World Health Organization estimated close to 800 million new cases in China in the next few months, with another estimate 4 million deaths and countless new strains coming out during that period. This is about protection populations, not punishing China.",
">\n\n\nStrains are spreading in the west yes, but there are new strains in China that are spreading and we don't know if our vaccines will work with those strains.\n\nYou don't know if vaccines work against any new variant even if that variant is from a country populated with white people.\n\nWe know the Chinese vaccines have a low efficacy rate and we know they are not mRNA vaccines which allow for easier adaptation to new strains. \n\nThe vaccine doesn't adapt once inside of your body you know that right?\n\nMaking travelers with a Chinese passport take Covid tests at any and all airports is not racist or even unfair \n\nit's definitely unfair and probably racist as well.\n\nhis is simply good policy from a public health measure, a\n\nA good policy would be to require vaccinations from everybody. Think about it, you are requiring a vaccine that you said doesn't even work. How much sense does that make?\n\nattribute it to a nascent American hatred for China is laughable.\n\nNascent?\n\nThis is about protection populations, not punishing China.\n\nIt's definitely about punishing china, it's a part of the current cold war with China conducted by the USA.",
">\n\n\nYou don't know if vaccines work against any new variant even if that variant is from a country populated with white people.\n\nAll the more reason to not invite more new strains into the country. White population or otherwise has nothing to do with it, expected rise in cases in China does.\n\nThe vaccine doesn't adapt once inside of your body you know that right?\n\nYou missed the point. The point i was making was that the Chinese medical system has not even approached Covid with an mRNA vaccine, and steadfastly refused to license western vaccines. If the vaccine most readily available in China has a 50% efficacy then the population is at more risk of contracting the virus and having negative results. The infection rates are increased with each new case of BA.7 (China is currently seeing each covid patient infecting on average 18 other people represented as 1:18, whereas the in US the rate is 1:3.9). Each of these factors increases the risk of developing new strains that are vaccine resistant. \n\nit's definitely unfair and probably racist as well\n\nIs it your position that nations cannot take any prescriptive action to prevent the spread of infected persons from other countries? Again i would remind you that China has basically been locked down for the last 2 years, with severe limitations to personal freedoms themselves. This is not based on race, but rather a government's inability to contain a contagious outbreak in their own country and not wanting it to spread. \n\nA good policy would be to require vaccinations from everybody. Think about it, you are requiring a vaccine that you said doesn't even work. How much sense does that make?\n\nThat might be your definition on good policy, but it isn't mine and that isn't how the west does it. \"I\" am not requiring a vaccine that \"I\" said doesn't work - that was your suggestion not mine. Also, i said the efficacy of the Chinese vaccine is 50% - based on available information - i never said it didn't work, and i never said that it should be mandatory or required.\n\nNascent?\n\nPoor and wrong word choice on my part it seems. What i meant was ascribing the US decision to require testing of Chinese travelers to racism because you believe that the US is racist is laughable. Taking a test to prove that you are covid negative is far less onerous on a traveler than most visa requirements.\n\nIt's definitely about punishing china, it's a part of the current cold war with China conducted by the USA.\n\nCite your sources. I could point to many Chinese government policies that i could say are part of the current cold war with the US without backing it up and it would be just as credible as what you said. Opinion is not a source, and not proof. You assume that the US government is racist, that this policy is racist and yet we have had travel bans imposed on other countries, as well as testing required for travelers from other countries imposed before, and other policies and so has China. For goodness sake China has been closed to foreigners for almost 3 years, and is still closed to foreign travel until January 2023. Is that a racist policy as well?",
">\n\nHere we go again.\nThis time I think I'll learn French cooking.",
">\n\n5000 People a day will have to die before Anybody says the word Lock down in the States ever again.",
">\n\nDon’t understand why people can’t handle staying at home for two weeks when it could potentially eradicate a deadly virus. Are we that weak?",
">\n\nWe did that in large part in March 2020. And did China not spend years locking down their citizens? \nPeoples savings are gone. They need to work. \nWearing a mask would do a lot to help the issue but people aren’t willing to do that anymore.",
">\n\nWe didn't do that though. We didn't all lock down when we were supposed to. Where I work I had to go in from the very start all the way through. Most people, the majority of people, didn't stay home even if they didn't have work. Most people didn't fuck with masks or keeping a distance, and even people who weren't antivaccers didn't take the vaccine seriously for the longest time. \nWe had no fucking lock down, unless you were a well-off celebrity or comedian who wanted to talk about being locked down for content. \nIf people legit locked down, they would have taken a small hit financially, but too many people didn't do shit and prolonged everything.",
">\n\nThe things is that it doesn't take long to drain peoples saving - becuase the overwhelming majority of people have practically none. \nSo an extended lockdown was never feasible unless the government was willing to pay several trillion dollars of expenses, not just 2 or 3 times but several times over.",
">\n\nI didn't dispute any of what you said. I pointed out that most people actively contested any safety measure and most people didn't actually lock down. Any extension will almost certainly be the fault of most of those people. \nI'd gladly let them all die if it meant the few people who did take things seriously didn't have to live through a Walking Dead scenario or have to take a huge financial hit because them.",
">\n\nMost people did lock down just fine initially. After a few weeks turned into a month or more, yeah people got testy.\nAdditionally, a gigantic amount of people work in critical industries and simply cant stay home. Just keeping the lights and water on requires tens of millions of workers, plus industries like plants and refineries that simply cannot shut down without massive long-term consequences.\nReddit is full of office people who can WFH, the vast majority of people cant.",
">\n\nI was one of those who couldn't stay home. Right out of the gate most people gave up on almost all of it except when they were making a show of complying when they had to. There was a lot of cheating. I walk through a lot of different areas. The waves of patients and bodies we got at work tracked with that and became predictable.",
">\n\nWhat’s that saying that ends with ”…doomed to repeat it?”",
">\n\nWhy not just require a negative test from everyone?",
">\n\nWho would you expect to pay for that?",
">\n\nGovernments or sponsors from the private sector ideally, I honestly don’t give a fuck. I’ve gotten many free tests from both and I’ve also bought some for like $8.",
">\n\n“Here we go again” from everyone in the comments. \nThe virus never stopped, we did.",
">\n\nVirus will always be there. Permanent restrictions are unsustainable",
">\n\n3 years later...\nIs this permanent?",
">\n\nI doubt there's anything that would make Republicans running in 2024 happier then Democrats advocating for a return to COVID restrictions.",
">\n\nRight? It’d be like the democrats fighting for gun control, or gay and trans rights, or safe and legal abortions. It would be political suicide to stand for something that Republicans don’t like!",
">\n\nMy understanding is that everything you listed is broadly popular or has at least a majority of American's in favor of it. A return to COVID restrictions is not in that category.",
">\n\nGun control isn’t even universally loved amongst the American left, as the hard left needs them for protection from the hard right they clash with, and the middle left does like having their guns taken as much as any middle right wing does, only mid left likes it",
">\n\nGallup has 57% of Americans feeling that in general gun laws should be more strict.",
">\n\nRegular people want kids to stop dying while in school. The problem is \"stricter laws\" is vague and no one can agree on what it means or give a serious proposal that would work, short of confiscation and bans, which are wildly unpopular.",
">\n\nVague political talking points is the best we’re going to get. Much as I’d love a Ross Perot style of breaking down every platform and promise, the general public doesn’t go for it. Buzz words are all we have the attention span for."
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You say this like covid hasn't been spreading rampantly through literally every country on the planet, mostly without any measures to stop the spread. Why does China get a different treatment and maybe countries should require tests from the US or Inida or Europe?
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"People from China will travel through Europe and come in to America from the east coast like they did when the pandemic started. This will do nothing if all travelers aboard aren’t made to test.",
">\n\nLet's hope EU and other countries do the same.",
">\n\nI don't know if they will. Australia (for example) had some of the toughest Covid policies and they've essentially just thrown them all out the window.\nSo I don't know how willing countries are to go back to being overly concerned about Covid.",
">\n\nThey should be concerned w chinese, it's spreading like wildfire in china. If we aren't careful, they will come out w covid 20.",
">\n\nIt’s spreading everywhere including the USA. This policy has nothing to do with science or medicine. It’s just politics.",
">\n\nNo. It’s circulating like mad in a population of 1 billion people who haven’t been exposed before. This is how new variants come about. Every country should require negative Covid test for china at least until it cycles through the population",
">\n\n\nNo. It’s circulating like mad in a population of 1 billion people who haven’t been exposed before.\n\nIt's also spreading like mad in all the countries of the world including the USA.\n\nThis is how new variants come about. \n\nAnd they have been for years now.\n\nEvery country should require negative Covid test for china at least until it cycles through the population\n\nOnly for political reasons. There is no scientific or rational demand for this. \nI get it, you hate china, most americans hate china so just be honest and say what you really mean.",
">\n\nStrains are spreading in the west yes, but there are new strains in China that are spreading and we don't know if our vaccines will work with those strains. We know the Chinese vaccines have a low efficacy rate and we know they are not mRNA vaccines which allow for easier adaptation to new strains. Making travelers with a Chinese passport take Covid tests at any and all airports is not racist or even unfair - a reminder that China has been relatively hard to travel to for the last 2 years because they were locked down to foreign travel as well. This is simply good policy from a public health measure, and you not wanting to see that for what it is and instead attribute it to a nascent American hatred for China is laughable. the World Health Organization estimated close to 800 million new cases in China in the next few months, with another estimate 4 million deaths and countless new strains coming out during that period. This is about protection populations, not punishing China.",
">\n\n\nStrains are spreading in the west yes, but there are new strains in China that are spreading and we don't know if our vaccines will work with those strains.\n\nYou don't know if vaccines work against any new variant even if that variant is from a country populated with white people.\n\nWe know the Chinese vaccines have a low efficacy rate and we know they are not mRNA vaccines which allow for easier adaptation to new strains. \n\nThe vaccine doesn't adapt once inside of your body you know that right?\n\nMaking travelers with a Chinese passport take Covid tests at any and all airports is not racist or even unfair \n\nit's definitely unfair and probably racist as well.\n\nhis is simply good policy from a public health measure, a\n\nA good policy would be to require vaccinations from everybody. Think about it, you are requiring a vaccine that you said doesn't even work. How much sense does that make?\n\nattribute it to a nascent American hatred for China is laughable.\n\nNascent?\n\nThis is about protection populations, not punishing China.\n\nIt's definitely about punishing china, it's a part of the current cold war with China conducted by the USA.",
">\n\n\nYou don't know if vaccines work against any new variant even if that variant is from a country populated with white people.\n\nAll the more reason to not invite more new strains into the country. White population or otherwise has nothing to do with it, expected rise in cases in China does.\n\nThe vaccine doesn't adapt once inside of your body you know that right?\n\nYou missed the point. The point i was making was that the Chinese medical system has not even approached Covid with an mRNA vaccine, and steadfastly refused to license western vaccines. If the vaccine most readily available in China has a 50% efficacy then the population is at more risk of contracting the virus and having negative results. The infection rates are increased with each new case of BA.7 (China is currently seeing each covid patient infecting on average 18 other people represented as 1:18, whereas the in US the rate is 1:3.9). Each of these factors increases the risk of developing new strains that are vaccine resistant. \n\nit's definitely unfair and probably racist as well\n\nIs it your position that nations cannot take any prescriptive action to prevent the spread of infected persons from other countries? Again i would remind you that China has basically been locked down for the last 2 years, with severe limitations to personal freedoms themselves. This is not based on race, but rather a government's inability to contain a contagious outbreak in their own country and not wanting it to spread. \n\nA good policy would be to require vaccinations from everybody. Think about it, you are requiring a vaccine that you said doesn't even work. How much sense does that make?\n\nThat might be your definition on good policy, but it isn't mine and that isn't how the west does it. \"I\" am not requiring a vaccine that \"I\" said doesn't work - that was your suggestion not mine. Also, i said the efficacy of the Chinese vaccine is 50% - based on available information - i never said it didn't work, and i never said that it should be mandatory or required.\n\nNascent?\n\nPoor and wrong word choice on my part it seems. What i meant was ascribing the US decision to require testing of Chinese travelers to racism because you believe that the US is racist is laughable. Taking a test to prove that you are covid negative is far less onerous on a traveler than most visa requirements.\n\nIt's definitely about punishing china, it's a part of the current cold war with China conducted by the USA.\n\nCite your sources. I could point to many Chinese government policies that i could say are part of the current cold war with the US without backing it up and it would be just as credible as what you said. Opinion is not a source, and not proof. You assume that the US government is racist, that this policy is racist and yet we have had travel bans imposed on other countries, as well as testing required for travelers from other countries imposed before, and other policies and so has China. For goodness sake China has been closed to foreigners for almost 3 years, and is still closed to foreign travel until January 2023. Is that a racist policy as well?",
">\n\nHere we go again.\nThis time I think I'll learn French cooking.",
">\n\n5000 People a day will have to die before Anybody says the word Lock down in the States ever again.",
">\n\nDon’t understand why people can’t handle staying at home for two weeks when it could potentially eradicate a deadly virus. Are we that weak?",
">\n\nWe did that in large part in March 2020. And did China not spend years locking down their citizens? \nPeoples savings are gone. They need to work. \nWearing a mask would do a lot to help the issue but people aren’t willing to do that anymore.",
">\n\nWe didn't do that though. We didn't all lock down when we were supposed to. Where I work I had to go in from the very start all the way through. Most people, the majority of people, didn't stay home even if they didn't have work. Most people didn't fuck with masks or keeping a distance, and even people who weren't antivaccers didn't take the vaccine seriously for the longest time. \nWe had no fucking lock down, unless you were a well-off celebrity or comedian who wanted to talk about being locked down for content. \nIf people legit locked down, they would have taken a small hit financially, but too many people didn't do shit and prolonged everything.",
">\n\nThe things is that it doesn't take long to drain peoples saving - becuase the overwhelming majority of people have practically none. \nSo an extended lockdown was never feasible unless the government was willing to pay several trillion dollars of expenses, not just 2 or 3 times but several times over.",
">\n\nI didn't dispute any of what you said. I pointed out that most people actively contested any safety measure and most people didn't actually lock down. Any extension will almost certainly be the fault of most of those people. \nI'd gladly let them all die if it meant the few people who did take things seriously didn't have to live through a Walking Dead scenario or have to take a huge financial hit because them.",
">\n\nMost people did lock down just fine initially. After a few weeks turned into a month or more, yeah people got testy.\nAdditionally, a gigantic amount of people work in critical industries and simply cant stay home. Just keeping the lights and water on requires tens of millions of workers, plus industries like plants and refineries that simply cannot shut down without massive long-term consequences.\nReddit is full of office people who can WFH, the vast majority of people cant.",
">\n\nI was one of those who couldn't stay home. Right out of the gate most people gave up on almost all of it except when they were making a show of complying when they had to. There was a lot of cheating. I walk through a lot of different areas. The waves of patients and bodies we got at work tracked with that and became predictable.",
">\n\nWhat’s that saying that ends with ”…doomed to repeat it?”",
">\n\nWhy not just require a negative test from everyone?",
">\n\nWho would you expect to pay for that?",
">\n\nGovernments or sponsors from the private sector ideally, I honestly don’t give a fuck. I’ve gotten many free tests from both and I’ve also bought some for like $8.",
">\n\n“Here we go again” from everyone in the comments. \nThe virus never stopped, we did.",
">\n\nVirus will always be there. Permanent restrictions are unsustainable",
">\n\n3 years later...\nIs this permanent?",
">\n\nI doubt there's anything that would make Republicans running in 2024 happier then Democrats advocating for a return to COVID restrictions.",
">\n\nRight? It’d be like the democrats fighting for gun control, or gay and trans rights, or safe and legal abortions. It would be political suicide to stand for something that Republicans don’t like!",
">\n\nMy understanding is that everything you listed is broadly popular or has at least a majority of American's in favor of it. A return to COVID restrictions is not in that category.",
">\n\nGun control isn’t even universally loved amongst the American left, as the hard left needs them for protection from the hard right they clash with, and the middle left does like having their guns taken as much as any middle right wing does, only mid left likes it",
">\n\nGallup has 57% of Americans feeling that in general gun laws should be more strict.",
">\n\nRegular people want kids to stop dying while in school. The problem is \"stricter laws\" is vague and no one can agree on what it means or give a serious proposal that would work, short of confiscation and bans, which are wildly unpopular.",
">\n\nVague political talking points is the best we’re going to get. Much as I’d love a Ross Perot style of breaking down every platform and promise, the general public doesn’t go for it. Buzz words are all we have the attention span for.",
">\n\nChina's COVID-19 surge raises odds of new coronavirus variants\nThings could get very ugly."
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I agree. US was primarily the culprit of why COVID went rampant to begin with. We actively refused to enforce any sort of safety measures, just a mild suggestion of "maybe wear a mask, if you want to, it's ok if you don't" and "we have vaccines if you want one, no pressure tho". That was really our response to the world's deadliest pandemic.
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"People from China will travel through Europe and come in to America from the east coast like they did when the pandemic started. This will do nothing if all travelers aboard aren’t made to test.",
">\n\nLet's hope EU and other countries do the same.",
">\n\nI don't know if they will. Australia (for example) had some of the toughest Covid policies and they've essentially just thrown them all out the window.\nSo I don't know how willing countries are to go back to being overly concerned about Covid.",
">\n\nThey should be concerned w chinese, it's spreading like wildfire in china. If we aren't careful, they will come out w covid 20.",
">\n\nIt’s spreading everywhere including the USA. This policy has nothing to do with science or medicine. It’s just politics.",
">\n\nNo. It’s circulating like mad in a population of 1 billion people who haven’t been exposed before. This is how new variants come about. Every country should require negative Covid test for china at least until it cycles through the population",
">\n\n\nNo. It’s circulating like mad in a population of 1 billion people who haven’t been exposed before.\n\nIt's also spreading like mad in all the countries of the world including the USA.\n\nThis is how new variants come about. \n\nAnd they have been for years now.\n\nEvery country should require negative Covid test for china at least until it cycles through the population\n\nOnly for political reasons. There is no scientific or rational demand for this. \nI get it, you hate china, most americans hate china so just be honest and say what you really mean.",
">\n\nStrains are spreading in the west yes, but there are new strains in China that are spreading and we don't know if our vaccines will work with those strains. We know the Chinese vaccines have a low efficacy rate and we know they are not mRNA vaccines which allow for easier adaptation to new strains. Making travelers with a Chinese passport take Covid tests at any and all airports is not racist or even unfair - a reminder that China has been relatively hard to travel to for the last 2 years because they were locked down to foreign travel as well. This is simply good policy from a public health measure, and you not wanting to see that for what it is and instead attribute it to a nascent American hatred for China is laughable. the World Health Organization estimated close to 800 million new cases in China in the next few months, with another estimate 4 million deaths and countless new strains coming out during that period. This is about protection populations, not punishing China.",
">\n\n\nStrains are spreading in the west yes, but there are new strains in China that are spreading and we don't know if our vaccines will work with those strains.\n\nYou don't know if vaccines work against any new variant even if that variant is from a country populated with white people.\n\nWe know the Chinese vaccines have a low efficacy rate and we know they are not mRNA vaccines which allow for easier adaptation to new strains. \n\nThe vaccine doesn't adapt once inside of your body you know that right?\n\nMaking travelers with a Chinese passport take Covid tests at any and all airports is not racist or even unfair \n\nit's definitely unfair and probably racist as well.\n\nhis is simply good policy from a public health measure, a\n\nA good policy would be to require vaccinations from everybody. Think about it, you are requiring a vaccine that you said doesn't even work. How much sense does that make?\n\nattribute it to a nascent American hatred for China is laughable.\n\nNascent?\n\nThis is about protection populations, not punishing China.\n\nIt's definitely about punishing china, it's a part of the current cold war with China conducted by the USA.",
">\n\n\nYou don't know if vaccines work against any new variant even if that variant is from a country populated with white people.\n\nAll the more reason to not invite more new strains into the country. White population or otherwise has nothing to do with it, expected rise in cases in China does.\n\nThe vaccine doesn't adapt once inside of your body you know that right?\n\nYou missed the point. The point i was making was that the Chinese medical system has not even approached Covid with an mRNA vaccine, and steadfastly refused to license western vaccines. If the vaccine most readily available in China has a 50% efficacy then the population is at more risk of contracting the virus and having negative results. The infection rates are increased with each new case of BA.7 (China is currently seeing each covid patient infecting on average 18 other people represented as 1:18, whereas the in US the rate is 1:3.9). Each of these factors increases the risk of developing new strains that are vaccine resistant. \n\nit's definitely unfair and probably racist as well\n\nIs it your position that nations cannot take any prescriptive action to prevent the spread of infected persons from other countries? Again i would remind you that China has basically been locked down for the last 2 years, with severe limitations to personal freedoms themselves. This is not based on race, but rather a government's inability to contain a contagious outbreak in their own country and not wanting it to spread. \n\nA good policy would be to require vaccinations from everybody. Think about it, you are requiring a vaccine that you said doesn't even work. How much sense does that make?\n\nThat might be your definition on good policy, but it isn't mine and that isn't how the west does it. \"I\" am not requiring a vaccine that \"I\" said doesn't work - that was your suggestion not mine. Also, i said the efficacy of the Chinese vaccine is 50% - based on available information - i never said it didn't work, and i never said that it should be mandatory or required.\n\nNascent?\n\nPoor and wrong word choice on my part it seems. What i meant was ascribing the US decision to require testing of Chinese travelers to racism because you believe that the US is racist is laughable. Taking a test to prove that you are covid negative is far less onerous on a traveler than most visa requirements.\n\nIt's definitely about punishing china, it's a part of the current cold war with China conducted by the USA.\n\nCite your sources. I could point to many Chinese government policies that i could say are part of the current cold war with the US without backing it up and it would be just as credible as what you said. Opinion is not a source, and not proof. You assume that the US government is racist, that this policy is racist and yet we have had travel bans imposed on other countries, as well as testing required for travelers from other countries imposed before, and other policies and so has China. For goodness sake China has been closed to foreigners for almost 3 years, and is still closed to foreign travel until January 2023. Is that a racist policy as well?",
">\n\nHere we go again.\nThis time I think I'll learn French cooking.",
">\n\n5000 People a day will have to die before Anybody says the word Lock down in the States ever again.",
">\n\nDon’t understand why people can’t handle staying at home for two weeks when it could potentially eradicate a deadly virus. Are we that weak?",
">\n\nWe did that in large part in March 2020. And did China not spend years locking down their citizens? \nPeoples savings are gone. They need to work. \nWearing a mask would do a lot to help the issue but people aren’t willing to do that anymore.",
">\n\nWe didn't do that though. We didn't all lock down when we were supposed to. Where I work I had to go in from the very start all the way through. Most people, the majority of people, didn't stay home even if they didn't have work. Most people didn't fuck with masks or keeping a distance, and even people who weren't antivaccers didn't take the vaccine seriously for the longest time. \nWe had no fucking lock down, unless you were a well-off celebrity or comedian who wanted to talk about being locked down for content. \nIf people legit locked down, they would have taken a small hit financially, but too many people didn't do shit and prolonged everything.",
">\n\nThe things is that it doesn't take long to drain peoples saving - becuase the overwhelming majority of people have practically none. \nSo an extended lockdown was never feasible unless the government was willing to pay several trillion dollars of expenses, not just 2 or 3 times but several times over.",
">\n\nI didn't dispute any of what you said. I pointed out that most people actively contested any safety measure and most people didn't actually lock down. Any extension will almost certainly be the fault of most of those people. \nI'd gladly let them all die if it meant the few people who did take things seriously didn't have to live through a Walking Dead scenario or have to take a huge financial hit because them.",
">\n\nMost people did lock down just fine initially. After a few weeks turned into a month or more, yeah people got testy.\nAdditionally, a gigantic amount of people work in critical industries and simply cant stay home. Just keeping the lights and water on requires tens of millions of workers, plus industries like plants and refineries that simply cannot shut down without massive long-term consequences.\nReddit is full of office people who can WFH, the vast majority of people cant.",
">\n\nI was one of those who couldn't stay home. Right out of the gate most people gave up on almost all of it except when they were making a show of complying when they had to. There was a lot of cheating. I walk through a lot of different areas. The waves of patients and bodies we got at work tracked with that and became predictable.",
">\n\nWhat’s that saying that ends with ”…doomed to repeat it?”",
">\n\nWhy not just require a negative test from everyone?",
">\n\nWho would you expect to pay for that?",
">\n\nGovernments or sponsors from the private sector ideally, I honestly don’t give a fuck. I’ve gotten many free tests from both and I’ve also bought some for like $8.",
">\n\n“Here we go again” from everyone in the comments. \nThe virus never stopped, we did.",
">\n\nVirus will always be there. Permanent restrictions are unsustainable",
">\n\n3 years later...\nIs this permanent?",
">\n\nI doubt there's anything that would make Republicans running in 2024 happier then Democrats advocating for a return to COVID restrictions.",
">\n\nRight? It’d be like the democrats fighting for gun control, or gay and trans rights, or safe and legal abortions. It would be political suicide to stand for something that Republicans don’t like!",
">\n\nMy understanding is that everything you listed is broadly popular or has at least a majority of American's in favor of it. A return to COVID restrictions is not in that category.",
">\n\nGun control isn’t even universally loved amongst the American left, as the hard left needs them for protection from the hard right they clash with, and the middle left does like having their guns taken as much as any middle right wing does, only mid left likes it",
">\n\nGallup has 57% of Americans feeling that in general gun laws should be more strict.",
">\n\nRegular people want kids to stop dying while in school. The problem is \"stricter laws\" is vague and no one can agree on what it means or give a serious proposal that would work, short of confiscation and bans, which are wildly unpopular.",
">\n\nVague political talking points is the best we’re going to get. Much as I’d love a Ross Perot style of breaking down every platform and promise, the general public doesn’t go for it. Buzz words are all we have the attention span for.",
">\n\nChina's COVID-19 surge raises odds of new coronavirus variants\nThings could get very ugly.",
">\n\nYou say this like covid hasn't been spreading rampantly through literally every country on the planet, mostly without any measures to stop the spread. Why does China get a different treatment and maybe countries should require tests from the US or Inida or Europe?"
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We actively made fun of zero covid approaches on reddit and now based on the comments on this thread we are suddenly pro “zero covid” approaches
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"People from China will travel through Europe and come in to America from the east coast like they did when the pandemic started. This will do nothing if all travelers aboard aren’t made to test.",
">\n\nLet's hope EU and other countries do the same.",
">\n\nI don't know if they will. Australia (for example) had some of the toughest Covid policies and they've essentially just thrown them all out the window.\nSo I don't know how willing countries are to go back to being overly concerned about Covid.",
">\n\nThey should be concerned w chinese, it's spreading like wildfire in china. If we aren't careful, they will come out w covid 20.",
">\n\nIt’s spreading everywhere including the USA. This policy has nothing to do with science or medicine. It’s just politics.",
">\n\nNo. It’s circulating like mad in a population of 1 billion people who haven’t been exposed before. This is how new variants come about. Every country should require negative Covid test for china at least until it cycles through the population",
">\n\n\nNo. It’s circulating like mad in a population of 1 billion people who haven’t been exposed before.\n\nIt's also spreading like mad in all the countries of the world including the USA.\n\nThis is how new variants come about. \n\nAnd they have been for years now.\n\nEvery country should require negative Covid test for china at least until it cycles through the population\n\nOnly for political reasons. There is no scientific or rational demand for this. \nI get it, you hate china, most americans hate china so just be honest and say what you really mean.",
">\n\nStrains are spreading in the west yes, but there are new strains in China that are spreading and we don't know if our vaccines will work with those strains. We know the Chinese vaccines have a low efficacy rate and we know they are not mRNA vaccines which allow for easier adaptation to new strains. Making travelers with a Chinese passport take Covid tests at any and all airports is not racist or even unfair - a reminder that China has been relatively hard to travel to for the last 2 years because they were locked down to foreign travel as well. This is simply good policy from a public health measure, and you not wanting to see that for what it is and instead attribute it to a nascent American hatred for China is laughable. the World Health Organization estimated close to 800 million new cases in China in the next few months, with another estimate 4 million deaths and countless new strains coming out during that period. This is about protection populations, not punishing China.",
">\n\n\nStrains are spreading in the west yes, but there are new strains in China that are spreading and we don't know if our vaccines will work with those strains.\n\nYou don't know if vaccines work against any new variant even if that variant is from a country populated with white people.\n\nWe know the Chinese vaccines have a low efficacy rate and we know they are not mRNA vaccines which allow for easier adaptation to new strains. \n\nThe vaccine doesn't adapt once inside of your body you know that right?\n\nMaking travelers with a Chinese passport take Covid tests at any and all airports is not racist or even unfair \n\nit's definitely unfair and probably racist as well.\n\nhis is simply good policy from a public health measure, a\n\nA good policy would be to require vaccinations from everybody. Think about it, you are requiring a vaccine that you said doesn't even work. How much sense does that make?\n\nattribute it to a nascent American hatred for China is laughable.\n\nNascent?\n\nThis is about protection populations, not punishing China.\n\nIt's definitely about punishing china, it's a part of the current cold war with China conducted by the USA.",
">\n\n\nYou don't know if vaccines work against any new variant even if that variant is from a country populated with white people.\n\nAll the more reason to not invite more new strains into the country. White population or otherwise has nothing to do with it, expected rise in cases in China does.\n\nThe vaccine doesn't adapt once inside of your body you know that right?\n\nYou missed the point. The point i was making was that the Chinese medical system has not even approached Covid with an mRNA vaccine, and steadfastly refused to license western vaccines. If the vaccine most readily available in China has a 50% efficacy then the population is at more risk of contracting the virus and having negative results. The infection rates are increased with each new case of BA.7 (China is currently seeing each covid patient infecting on average 18 other people represented as 1:18, whereas the in US the rate is 1:3.9). Each of these factors increases the risk of developing new strains that are vaccine resistant. \n\nit's definitely unfair and probably racist as well\n\nIs it your position that nations cannot take any prescriptive action to prevent the spread of infected persons from other countries? Again i would remind you that China has basically been locked down for the last 2 years, with severe limitations to personal freedoms themselves. This is not based on race, but rather a government's inability to contain a contagious outbreak in their own country and not wanting it to spread. \n\nA good policy would be to require vaccinations from everybody. Think about it, you are requiring a vaccine that you said doesn't even work. How much sense does that make?\n\nThat might be your definition on good policy, but it isn't mine and that isn't how the west does it. \"I\" am not requiring a vaccine that \"I\" said doesn't work - that was your suggestion not mine. Also, i said the efficacy of the Chinese vaccine is 50% - based on available information - i never said it didn't work, and i never said that it should be mandatory or required.\n\nNascent?\n\nPoor and wrong word choice on my part it seems. What i meant was ascribing the US decision to require testing of Chinese travelers to racism because you believe that the US is racist is laughable. Taking a test to prove that you are covid negative is far less onerous on a traveler than most visa requirements.\n\nIt's definitely about punishing china, it's a part of the current cold war with China conducted by the USA.\n\nCite your sources. I could point to many Chinese government policies that i could say are part of the current cold war with the US without backing it up and it would be just as credible as what you said. Opinion is not a source, and not proof. You assume that the US government is racist, that this policy is racist and yet we have had travel bans imposed on other countries, as well as testing required for travelers from other countries imposed before, and other policies and so has China. For goodness sake China has been closed to foreigners for almost 3 years, and is still closed to foreign travel until January 2023. Is that a racist policy as well?",
">\n\nHere we go again.\nThis time I think I'll learn French cooking.",
">\n\n5000 People a day will have to die before Anybody says the word Lock down in the States ever again.",
">\n\nDon’t understand why people can’t handle staying at home for two weeks when it could potentially eradicate a deadly virus. Are we that weak?",
">\n\nWe did that in large part in March 2020. And did China not spend years locking down their citizens? \nPeoples savings are gone. They need to work. \nWearing a mask would do a lot to help the issue but people aren’t willing to do that anymore.",
">\n\nWe didn't do that though. We didn't all lock down when we were supposed to. Where I work I had to go in from the very start all the way through. Most people, the majority of people, didn't stay home even if they didn't have work. Most people didn't fuck with masks or keeping a distance, and even people who weren't antivaccers didn't take the vaccine seriously for the longest time. \nWe had no fucking lock down, unless you were a well-off celebrity or comedian who wanted to talk about being locked down for content. \nIf people legit locked down, they would have taken a small hit financially, but too many people didn't do shit and prolonged everything.",
">\n\nThe things is that it doesn't take long to drain peoples saving - becuase the overwhelming majority of people have practically none. \nSo an extended lockdown was never feasible unless the government was willing to pay several trillion dollars of expenses, not just 2 or 3 times but several times over.",
">\n\nI didn't dispute any of what you said. I pointed out that most people actively contested any safety measure and most people didn't actually lock down. Any extension will almost certainly be the fault of most of those people. \nI'd gladly let them all die if it meant the few people who did take things seriously didn't have to live through a Walking Dead scenario or have to take a huge financial hit because them.",
">\n\nMost people did lock down just fine initially. After a few weeks turned into a month or more, yeah people got testy.\nAdditionally, a gigantic amount of people work in critical industries and simply cant stay home. Just keeping the lights and water on requires tens of millions of workers, plus industries like plants and refineries that simply cannot shut down without massive long-term consequences.\nReddit is full of office people who can WFH, the vast majority of people cant.",
">\n\nI was one of those who couldn't stay home. Right out of the gate most people gave up on almost all of it except when they were making a show of complying when they had to. There was a lot of cheating. I walk through a lot of different areas. The waves of patients and bodies we got at work tracked with that and became predictable.",
">\n\nWhat’s that saying that ends with ”…doomed to repeat it?”",
">\n\nWhy not just require a negative test from everyone?",
">\n\nWho would you expect to pay for that?",
">\n\nGovernments or sponsors from the private sector ideally, I honestly don’t give a fuck. I’ve gotten many free tests from both and I’ve also bought some for like $8.",
">\n\n“Here we go again” from everyone in the comments. \nThe virus never stopped, we did.",
">\n\nVirus will always be there. Permanent restrictions are unsustainable",
">\n\n3 years later...\nIs this permanent?",
">\n\nI doubt there's anything that would make Republicans running in 2024 happier then Democrats advocating for a return to COVID restrictions.",
">\n\nRight? It’d be like the democrats fighting for gun control, or gay and trans rights, or safe and legal abortions. It would be political suicide to stand for something that Republicans don’t like!",
">\n\nMy understanding is that everything you listed is broadly popular or has at least a majority of American's in favor of it. A return to COVID restrictions is not in that category.",
">\n\nGun control isn’t even universally loved amongst the American left, as the hard left needs them for protection from the hard right they clash with, and the middle left does like having their guns taken as much as any middle right wing does, only mid left likes it",
">\n\nGallup has 57% of Americans feeling that in general gun laws should be more strict.",
">\n\nRegular people want kids to stop dying while in school. The problem is \"stricter laws\" is vague and no one can agree on what it means or give a serious proposal that would work, short of confiscation and bans, which are wildly unpopular.",
">\n\nVague political talking points is the best we’re going to get. Much as I’d love a Ross Perot style of breaking down every platform and promise, the general public doesn’t go for it. Buzz words are all we have the attention span for.",
">\n\nChina's COVID-19 surge raises odds of new coronavirus variants\nThings could get very ugly.",
">\n\nYou say this like covid hasn't been spreading rampantly through literally every country on the planet, mostly without any measures to stop the spread. Why does China get a different treatment and maybe countries should require tests from the US or Inida or Europe?",
">\n\nI agree. US was primarily the culprit of why COVID went rampant to begin with. We actively refused to enforce any sort of safety measures, just a mild suggestion of \"maybe wear a mask, if you want to, it's ok if you don't\" and \"we have vaccines if you want one, no pressure tho\". That was really our response to the world's deadliest pandemic."
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Everyone finally watched contagion
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"People from China will travel through Europe and come in to America from the east coast like they did when the pandemic started. This will do nothing if all travelers aboard aren’t made to test.",
">\n\nLet's hope EU and other countries do the same.",
">\n\nI don't know if they will. Australia (for example) had some of the toughest Covid policies and they've essentially just thrown them all out the window.\nSo I don't know how willing countries are to go back to being overly concerned about Covid.",
">\n\nThey should be concerned w chinese, it's spreading like wildfire in china. If we aren't careful, they will come out w covid 20.",
">\n\nIt’s spreading everywhere including the USA. This policy has nothing to do with science or medicine. It’s just politics.",
">\n\nNo. It’s circulating like mad in a population of 1 billion people who haven’t been exposed before. This is how new variants come about. Every country should require negative Covid test for china at least until it cycles through the population",
">\n\n\nNo. It’s circulating like mad in a population of 1 billion people who haven’t been exposed before.\n\nIt's also spreading like mad in all the countries of the world including the USA.\n\nThis is how new variants come about. \n\nAnd they have been for years now.\n\nEvery country should require negative Covid test for china at least until it cycles through the population\n\nOnly for political reasons. There is no scientific or rational demand for this. \nI get it, you hate china, most americans hate china so just be honest and say what you really mean.",
">\n\nStrains are spreading in the west yes, but there are new strains in China that are spreading and we don't know if our vaccines will work with those strains. We know the Chinese vaccines have a low efficacy rate and we know they are not mRNA vaccines which allow for easier adaptation to new strains. Making travelers with a Chinese passport take Covid tests at any and all airports is not racist or even unfair - a reminder that China has been relatively hard to travel to for the last 2 years because they were locked down to foreign travel as well. This is simply good policy from a public health measure, and you not wanting to see that for what it is and instead attribute it to a nascent American hatred for China is laughable. the World Health Organization estimated close to 800 million new cases in China in the next few months, with another estimate 4 million deaths and countless new strains coming out during that period. This is about protection populations, not punishing China.",
">\n\n\nStrains are spreading in the west yes, but there are new strains in China that are spreading and we don't know if our vaccines will work with those strains.\n\nYou don't know if vaccines work against any new variant even if that variant is from a country populated with white people.\n\nWe know the Chinese vaccines have a low efficacy rate and we know they are not mRNA vaccines which allow for easier adaptation to new strains. \n\nThe vaccine doesn't adapt once inside of your body you know that right?\n\nMaking travelers with a Chinese passport take Covid tests at any and all airports is not racist or even unfair \n\nit's definitely unfair and probably racist as well.\n\nhis is simply good policy from a public health measure, a\n\nA good policy would be to require vaccinations from everybody. Think about it, you are requiring a vaccine that you said doesn't even work. How much sense does that make?\n\nattribute it to a nascent American hatred for China is laughable.\n\nNascent?\n\nThis is about protection populations, not punishing China.\n\nIt's definitely about punishing china, it's a part of the current cold war with China conducted by the USA.",
">\n\n\nYou don't know if vaccines work against any new variant even if that variant is from a country populated with white people.\n\nAll the more reason to not invite more new strains into the country. White population or otherwise has nothing to do with it, expected rise in cases in China does.\n\nThe vaccine doesn't adapt once inside of your body you know that right?\n\nYou missed the point. The point i was making was that the Chinese medical system has not even approached Covid with an mRNA vaccine, and steadfastly refused to license western vaccines. If the vaccine most readily available in China has a 50% efficacy then the population is at more risk of contracting the virus and having negative results. The infection rates are increased with each new case of BA.7 (China is currently seeing each covid patient infecting on average 18 other people represented as 1:18, whereas the in US the rate is 1:3.9). Each of these factors increases the risk of developing new strains that are vaccine resistant. \n\nit's definitely unfair and probably racist as well\n\nIs it your position that nations cannot take any prescriptive action to prevent the spread of infected persons from other countries? Again i would remind you that China has basically been locked down for the last 2 years, with severe limitations to personal freedoms themselves. This is not based on race, but rather a government's inability to contain a contagious outbreak in their own country and not wanting it to spread. \n\nA good policy would be to require vaccinations from everybody. Think about it, you are requiring a vaccine that you said doesn't even work. How much sense does that make?\n\nThat might be your definition on good policy, but it isn't mine and that isn't how the west does it. \"I\" am not requiring a vaccine that \"I\" said doesn't work - that was your suggestion not mine. Also, i said the efficacy of the Chinese vaccine is 50% - based on available information - i never said it didn't work, and i never said that it should be mandatory or required.\n\nNascent?\n\nPoor and wrong word choice on my part it seems. What i meant was ascribing the US decision to require testing of Chinese travelers to racism because you believe that the US is racist is laughable. Taking a test to prove that you are covid negative is far less onerous on a traveler than most visa requirements.\n\nIt's definitely about punishing china, it's a part of the current cold war with China conducted by the USA.\n\nCite your sources. I could point to many Chinese government policies that i could say are part of the current cold war with the US without backing it up and it would be just as credible as what you said. Opinion is not a source, and not proof. You assume that the US government is racist, that this policy is racist and yet we have had travel bans imposed on other countries, as well as testing required for travelers from other countries imposed before, and other policies and so has China. For goodness sake China has been closed to foreigners for almost 3 years, and is still closed to foreign travel until January 2023. Is that a racist policy as well?",
">\n\nHere we go again.\nThis time I think I'll learn French cooking.",
">\n\n5000 People a day will have to die before Anybody says the word Lock down in the States ever again.",
">\n\nDon’t understand why people can’t handle staying at home for two weeks when it could potentially eradicate a deadly virus. Are we that weak?",
">\n\nWe did that in large part in March 2020. And did China not spend years locking down their citizens? \nPeoples savings are gone. They need to work. \nWearing a mask would do a lot to help the issue but people aren’t willing to do that anymore.",
">\n\nWe didn't do that though. We didn't all lock down when we were supposed to. Where I work I had to go in from the very start all the way through. Most people, the majority of people, didn't stay home even if they didn't have work. Most people didn't fuck with masks or keeping a distance, and even people who weren't antivaccers didn't take the vaccine seriously for the longest time. \nWe had no fucking lock down, unless you were a well-off celebrity or comedian who wanted to talk about being locked down for content. \nIf people legit locked down, they would have taken a small hit financially, but too many people didn't do shit and prolonged everything.",
">\n\nThe things is that it doesn't take long to drain peoples saving - becuase the overwhelming majority of people have practically none. \nSo an extended lockdown was never feasible unless the government was willing to pay several trillion dollars of expenses, not just 2 or 3 times but several times over.",
">\n\nI didn't dispute any of what you said. I pointed out that most people actively contested any safety measure and most people didn't actually lock down. Any extension will almost certainly be the fault of most of those people. \nI'd gladly let them all die if it meant the few people who did take things seriously didn't have to live through a Walking Dead scenario or have to take a huge financial hit because them.",
">\n\nMost people did lock down just fine initially. After a few weeks turned into a month or more, yeah people got testy.\nAdditionally, a gigantic amount of people work in critical industries and simply cant stay home. Just keeping the lights and water on requires tens of millions of workers, plus industries like plants and refineries that simply cannot shut down without massive long-term consequences.\nReddit is full of office people who can WFH, the vast majority of people cant.",
">\n\nI was one of those who couldn't stay home. Right out of the gate most people gave up on almost all of it except when they were making a show of complying when they had to. There was a lot of cheating. I walk through a lot of different areas. The waves of patients and bodies we got at work tracked with that and became predictable.",
">\n\nWhat’s that saying that ends with ”…doomed to repeat it?”",
">\n\nWhy not just require a negative test from everyone?",
">\n\nWho would you expect to pay for that?",
">\n\nGovernments or sponsors from the private sector ideally, I honestly don’t give a fuck. I’ve gotten many free tests from both and I’ve also bought some for like $8.",
">\n\n“Here we go again” from everyone in the comments. \nThe virus never stopped, we did.",
">\n\nVirus will always be there. Permanent restrictions are unsustainable",
">\n\n3 years later...\nIs this permanent?",
">\n\nI doubt there's anything that would make Republicans running in 2024 happier then Democrats advocating for a return to COVID restrictions.",
">\n\nRight? It’d be like the democrats fighting for gun control, or gay and trans rights, or safe and legal abortions. It would be political suicide to stand for something that Republicans don’t like!",
">\n\nMy understanding is that everything you listed is broadly popular or has at least a majority of American's in favor of it. A return to COVID restrictions is not in that category.",
">\n\nGun control isn’t even universally loved amongst the American left, as the hard left needs them for protection from the hard right they clash with, and the middle left does like having their guns taken as much as any middle right wing does, only mid left likes it",
">\n\nGallup has 57% of Americans feeling that in general gun laws should be more strict.",
">\n\nRegular people want kids to stop dying while in school. The problem is \"stricter laws\" is vague and no one can agree on what it means or give a serious proposal that would work, short of confiscation and bans, which are wildly unpopular.",
">\n\nVague political talking points is the best we’re going to get. Much as I’d love a Ross Perot style of breaking down every platform and promise, the general public doesn’t go for it. Buzz words are all we have the attention span for.",
">\n\nChina's COVID-19 surge raises odds of new coronavirus variants\nThings could get very ugly.",
">\n\nYou say this like covid hasn't been spreading rampantly through literally every country on the planet, mostly without any measures to stop the spread. Why does China get a different treatment and maybe countries should require tests from the US or Inida or Europe?",
">\n\nI agree. US was primarily the culprit of why COVID went rampant to begin with. We actively refused to enforce any sort of safety measures, just a mild suggestion of \"maybe wear a mask, if you want to, it's ok if you don't\" and \"we have vaccines if you want one, no pressure tho\". That was really our response to the world's deadliest pandemic.",
">\n\nWe actively made fun of zero covid approaches on reddit and now based on the comments on this thread we are suddenly pro “zero covid” approaches"
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So far my 2023 bingo card is reading alooot of skull and crossbones, I think I might actually win at something next year, what does your score card look like?
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"People from China will travel through Europe and come in to America from the east coast like they did when the pandemic started. This will do nothing if all travelers aboard aren’t made to test.",
">\n\nLet's hope EU and other countries do the same.",
">\n\nI don't know if they will. Australia (for example) had some of the toughest Covid policies and they've essentially just thrown them all out the window.\nSo I don't know how willing countries are to go back to being overly concerned about Covid.",
">\n\nThey should be concerned w chinese, it's spreading like wildfire in china. If we aren't careful, they will come out w covid 20.",
">\n\nIt’s spreading everywhere including the USA. This policy has nothing to do with science or medicine. It’s just politics.",
">\n\nNo. It’s circulating like mad in a population of 1 billion people who haven’t been exposed before. This is how new variants come about. Every country should require negative Covid test for china at least until it cycles through the population",
">\n\n\nNo. It’s circulating like mad in a population of 1 billion people who haven’t been exposed before.\n\nIt's also spreading like mad in all the countries of the world including the USA.\n\nThis is how new variants come about. \n\nAnd they have been for years now.\n\nEvery country should require negative Covid test for china at least until it cycles through the population\n\nOnly for political reasons. There is no scientific or rational demand for this. \nI get it, you hate china, most americans hate china so just be honest and say what you really mean.",
">\n\nStrains are spreading in the west yes, but there are new strains in China that are spreading and we don't know if our vaccines will work with those strains. We know the Chinese vaccines have a low efficacy rate and we know they are not mRNA vaccines which allow for easier adaptation to new strains. Making travelers with a Chinese passport take Covid tests at any and all airports is not racist or even unfair - a reminder that China has been relatively hard to travel to for the last 2 years because they were locked down to foreign travel as well. This is simply good policy from a public health measure, and you not wanting to see that for what it is and instead attribute it to a nascent American hatred for China is laughable. the World Health Organization estimated close to 800 million new cases in China in the next few months, with another estimate 4 million deaths and countless new strains coming out during that period. This is about protection populations, not punishing China.",
">\n\n\nStrains are spreading in the west yes, but there are new strains in China that are spreading and we don't know if our vaccines will work with those strains.\n\nYou don't know if vaccines work against any new variant even if that variant is from a country populated with white people.\n\nWe know the Chinese vaccines have a low efficacy rate and we know they are not mRNA vaccines which allow for easier adaptation to new strains. \n\nThe vaccine doesn't adapt once inside of your body you know that right?\n\nMaking travelers with a Chinese passport take Covid tests at any and all airports is not racist or even unfair \n\nit's definitely unfair and probably racist as well.\n\nhis is simply good policy from a public health measure, a\n\nA good policy would be to require vaccinations from everybody. Think about it, you are requiring a vaccine that you said doesn't even work. How much sense does that make?\n\nattribute it to a nascent American hatred for China is laughable.\n\nNascent?\n\nThis is about protection populations, not punishing China.\n\nIt's definitely about punishing china, it's a part of the current cold war with China conducted by the USA.",
">\n\n\nYou don't know if vaccines work against any new variant even if that variant is from a country populated with white people.\n\nAll the more reason to not invite more new strains into the country. White population or otherwise has nothing to do with it, expected rise in cases in China does.\n\nThe vaccine doesn't adapt once inside of your body you know that right?\n\nYou missed the point. The point i was making was that the Chinese medical system has not even approached Covid with an mRNA vaccine, and steadfastly refused to license western vaccines. If the vaccine most readily available in China has a 50% efficacy then the population is at more risk of contracting the virus and having negative results. The infection rates are increased with each new case of BA.7 (China is currently seeing each covid patient infecting on average 18 other people represented as 1:18, whereas the in US the rate is 1:3.9). Each of these factors increases the risk of developing new strains that are vaccine resistant. \n\nit's definitely unfair and probably racist as well\n\nIs it your position that nations cannot take any prescriptive action to prevent the spread of infected persons from other countries? Again i would remind you that China has basically been locked down for the last 2 years, with severe limitations to personal freedoms themselves. This is not based on race, but rather a government's inability to contain a contagious outbreak in their own country and not wanting it to spread. \n\nA good policy would be to require vaccinations from everybody. Think about it, you are requiring a vaccine that you said doesn't even work. How much sense does that make?\n\nThat might be your definition on good policy, but it isn't mine and that isn't how the west does it. \"I\" am not requiring a vaccine that \"I\" said doesn't work - that was your suggestion not mine. Also, i said the efficacy of the Chinese vaccine is 50% - based on available information - i never said it didn't work, and i never said that it should be mandatory or required.\n\nNascent?\n\nPoor and wrong word choice on my part it seems. What i meant was ascribing the US decision to require testing of Chinese travelers to racism because you believe that the US is racist is laughable. Taking a test to prove that you are covid negative is far less onerous on a traveler than most visa requirements.\n\nIt's definitely about punishing china, it's a part of the current cold war with China conducted by the USA.\n\nCite your sources. I could point to many Chinese government policies that i could say are part of the current cold war with the US without backing it up and it would be just as credible as what you said. Opinion is not a source, and not proof. You assume that the US government is racist, that this policy is racist and yet we have had travel bans imposed on other countries, as well as testing required for travelers from other countries imposed before, and other policies and so has China. For goodness sake China has been closed to foreigners for almost 3 years, and is still closed to foreign travel until January 2023. Is that a racist policy as well?",
">\n\nHere we go again.\nThis time I think I'll learn French cooking.",
">\n\n5000 People a day will have to die before Anybody says the word Lock down in the States ever again.",
">\n\nDon’t understand why people can’t handle staying at home for two weeks when it could potentially eradicate a deadly virus. Are we that weak?",
">\n\nWe did that in large part in March 2020. And did China not spend years locking down their citizens? \nPeoples savings are gone. They need to work. \nWearing a mask would do a lot to help the issue but people aren’t willing to do that anymore.",
">\n\nWe didn't do that though. We didn't all lock down when we were supposed to. Where I work I had to go in from the very start all the way through. Most people, the majority of people, didn't stay home even if they didn't have work. Most people didn't fuck with masks or keeping a distance, and even people who weren't antivaccers didn't take the vaccine seriously for the longest time. \nWe had no fucking lock down, unless you were a well-off celebrity or comedian who wanted to talk about being locked down for content. \nIf people legit locked down, they would have taken a small hit financially, but too many people didn't do shit and prolonged everything.",
">\n\nThe things is that it doesn't take long to drain peoples saving - becuase the overwhelming majority of people have practically none. \nSo an extended lockdown was never feasible unless the government was willing to pay several trillion dollars of expenses, not just 2 or 3 times but several times over.",
">\n\nI didn't dispute any of what you said. I pointed out that most people actively contested any safety measure and most people didn't actually lock down. Any extension will almost certainly be the fault of most of those people. \nI'd gladly let them all die if it meant the few people who did take things seriously didn't have to live through a Walking Dead scenario or have to take a huge financial hit because them.",
">\n\nMost people did lock down just fine initially. After a few weeks turned into a month or more, yeah people got testy.\nAdditionally, a gigantic amount of people work in critical industries and simply cant stay home. Just keeping the lights and water on requires tens of millions of workers, plus industries like plants and refineries that simply cannot shut down without massive long-term consequences.\nReddit is full of office people who can WFH, the vast majority of people cant.",
">\n\nI was one of those who couldn't stay home. Right out of the gate most people gave up on almost all of it except when they were making a show of complying when they had to. There was a lot of cheating. I walk through a lot of different areas. The waves of patients and bodies we got at work tracked with that and became predictable.",
">\n\nWhat’s that saying that ends with ”…doomed to repeat it?”",
">\n\nWhy not just require a negative test from everyone?",
">\n\nWho would you expect to pay for that?",
">\n\nGovernments or sponsors from the private sector ideally, I honestly don’t give a fuck. I’ve gotten many free tests from both and I’ve also bought some for like $8.",
">\n\n“Here we go again” from everyone in the comments. \nThe virus never stopped, we did.",
">\n\nVirus will always be there. Permanent restrictions are unsustainable",
">\n\n3 years later...\nIs this permanent?",
">\n\nI doubt there's anything that would make Republicans running in 2024 happier then Democrats advocating for a return to COVID restrictions.",
">\n\nRight? It’d be like the democrats fighting for gun control, or gay and trans rights, or safe and legal abortions. It would be political suicide to stand for something that Republicans don’t like!",
">\n\nMy understanding is that everything you listed is broadly popular or has at least a majority of American's in favor of it. A return to COVID restrictions is not in that category.",
">\n\nGun control isn’t even universally loved amongst the American left, as the hard left needs them for protection from the hard right they clash with, and the middle left does like having their guns taken as much as any middle right wing does, only mid left likes it",
">\n\nGallup has 57% of Americans feeling that in general gun laws should be more strict.",
">\n\nRegular people want kids to stop dying while in school. The problem is \"stricter laws\" is vague and no one can agree on what it means or give a serious proposal that would work, short of confiscation and bans, which are wildly unpopular.",
">\n\nVague political talking points is the best we’re going to get. Much as I’d love a Ross Perot style of breaking down every platform and promise, the general public doesn’t go for it. Buzz words are all we have the attention span for.",
">\n\nChina's COVID-19 surge raises odds of new coronavirus variants\nThings could get very ugly.",
">\n\nYou say this like covid hasn't been spreading rampantly through literally every country on the planet, mostly without any measures to stop the spread. Why does China get a different treatment and maybe countries should require tests from the US or Inida or Europe?",
">\n\nI agree. US was primarily the culprit of why COVID went rampant to begin with. We actively refused to enforce any sort of safety measures, just a mild suggestion of \"maybe wear a mask, if you want to, it's ok if you don't\" and \"we have vaccines if you want one, no pressure tho\". That was really our response to the world's deadliest pandemic.",
">\n\nWe actively made fun of zero covid approaches on reddit and now based on the comments on this thread we are suddenly pro “zero covid” approaches",
">\n\nEveryone finally watched contagion"
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When’s that $1200 going to hit my account?
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"People from China will travel through Europe and come in to America from the east coast like they did when the pandemic started. This will do nothing if all travelers aboard aren’t made to test.",
">\n\nLet's hope EU and other countries do the same.",
">\n\nI don't know if they will. Australia (for example) had some of the toughest Covid policies and they've essentially just thrown them all out the window.\nSo I don't know how willing countries are to go back to being overly concerned about Covid.",
">\n\nThey should be concerned w chinese, it's spreading like wildfire in china. If we aren't careful, they will come out w covid 20.",
">\n\nIt’s spreading everywhere including the USA. This policy has nothing to do with science or medicine. It’s just politics.",
">\n\nNo. It’s circulating like mad in a population of 1 billion people who haven’t been exposed before. This is how new variants come about. Every country should require negative Covid test for china at least until it cycles through the population",
">\n\n\nNo. It’s circulating like mad in a population of 1 billion people who haven’t been exposed before.\n\nIt's also spreading like mad in all the countries of the world including the USA.\n\nThis is how new variants come about. \n\nAnd they have been for years now.\n\nEvery country should require negative Covid test for china at least until it cycles through the population\n\nOnly for political reasons. There is no scientific or rational demand for this. \nI get it, you hate china, most americans hate china so just be honest and say what you really mean.",
">\n\nStrains are spreading in the west yes, but there are new strains in China that are spreading and we don't know if our vaccines will work with those strains. We know the Chinese vaccines have a low efficacy rate and we know they are not mRNA vaccines which allow for easier adaptation to new strains. Making travelers with a Chinese passport take Covid tests at any and all airports is not racist or even unfair - a reminder that China has been relatively hard to travel to for the last 2 years because they were locked down to foreign travel as well. This is simply good policy from a public health measure, and you not wanting to see that for what it is and instead attribute it to a nascent American hatred for China is laughable. the World Health Organization estimated close to 800 million new cases in China in the next few months, with another estimate 4 million deaths and countless new strains coming out during that period. This is about protection populations, not punishing China.",
">\n\n\nStrains are spreading in the west yes, but there are new strains in China that are spreading and we don't know if our vaccines will work with those strains.\n\nYou don't know if vaccines work against any new variant even if that variant is from a country populated with white people.\n\nWe know the Chinese vaccines have a low efficacy rate and we know they are not mRNA vaccines which allow for easier adaptation to new strains. \n\nThe vaccine doesn't adapt once inside of your body you know that right?\n\nMaking travelers with a Chinese passport take Covid tests at any and all airports is not racist or even unfair \n\nit's definitely unfair and probably racist as well.\n\nhis is simply good policy from a public health measure, a\n\nA good policy would be to require vaccinations from everybody. Think about it, you are requiring a vaccine that you said doesn't even work. How much sense does that make?\n\nattribute it to a nascent American hatred for China is laughable.\n\nNascent?\n\nThis is about protection populations, not punishing China.\n\nIt's definitely about punishing china, it's a part of the current cold war with China conducted by the USA.",
">\n\n\nYou don't know if vaccines work against any new variant even if that variant is from a country populated with white people.\n\nAll the more reason to not invite more new strains into the country. White population or otherwise has nothing to do with it, expected rise in cases in China does.\n\nThe vaccine doesn't adapt once inside of your body you know that right?\n\nYou missed the point. The point i was making was that the Chinese medical system has not even approached Covid with an mRNA vaccine, and steadfastly refused to license western vaccines. If the vaccine most readily available in China has a 50% efficacy then the population is at more risk of contracting the virus and having negative results. The infection rates are increased with each new case of BA.7 (China is currently seeing each covid patient infecting on average 18 other people represented as 1:18, whereas the in US the rate is 1:3.9). Each of these factors increases the risk of developing new strains that are vaccine resistant. \n\nit's definitely unfair and probably racist as well\n\nIs it your position that nations cannot take any prescriptive action to prevent the spread of infected persons from other countries? Again i would remind you that China has basically been locked down for the last 2 years, with severe limitations to personal freedoms themselves. This is not based on race, but rather a government's inability to contain a contagious outbreak in their own country and not wanting it to spread. \n\nA good policy would be to require vaccinations from everybody. Think about it, you are requiring a vaccine that you said doesn't even work. How much sense does that make?\n\nThat might be your definition on good policy, but it isn't mine and that isn't how the west does it. \"I\" am not requiring a vaccine that \"I\" said doesn't work - that was your suggestion not mine. Also, i said the efficacy of the Chinese vaccine is 50% - based on available information - i never said it didn't work, and i never said that it should be mandatory or required.\n\nNascent?\n\nPoor and wrong word choice on my part it seems. What i meant was ascribing the US decision to require testing of Chinese travelers to racism because you believe that the US is racist is laughable. Taking a test to prove that you are covid negative is far less onerous on a traveler than most visa requirements.\n\nIt's definitely about punishing china, it's a part of the current cold war with China conducted by the USA.\n\nCite your sources. I could point to many Chinese government policies that i could say are part of the current cold war with the US without backing it up and it would be just as credible as what you said. Opinion is not a source, and not proof. You assume that the US government is racist, that this policy is racist and yet we have had travel bans imposed on other countries, as well as testing required for travelers from other countries imposed before, and other policies and so has China. For goodness sake China has been closed to foreigners for almost 3 years, and is still closed to foreign travel until January 2023. Is that a racist policy as well?",
">\n\nHere we go again.\nThis time I think I'll learn French cooking.",
">\n\n5000 People a day will have to die before Anybody says the word Lock down in the States ever again.",
">\n\nDon’t understand why people can’t handle staying at home for two weeks when it could potentially eradicate a deadly virus. Are we that weak?",
">\n\nWe did that in large part in March 2020. And did China not spend years locking down their citizens? \nPeoples savings are gone. They need to work. \nWearing a mask would do a lot to help the issue but people aren’t willing to do that anymore.",
">\n\nWe didn't do that though. We didn't all lock down when we were supposed to. Where I work I had to go in from the very start all the way through. Most people, the majority of people, didn't stay home even if they didn't have work. Most people didn't fuck with masks or keeping a distance, and even people who weren't antivaccers didn't take the vaccine seriously for the longest time. \nWe had no fucking lock down, unless you were a well-off celebrity or comedian who wanted to talk about being locked down for content. \nIf people legit locked down, they would have taken a small hit financially, but too many people didn't do shit and prolonged everything.",
">\n\nThe things is that it doesn't take long to drain peoples saving - becuase the overwhelming majority of people have practically none. \nSo an extended lockdown was never feasible unless the government was willing to pay several trillion dollars of expenses, not just 2 or 3 times but several times over.",
">\n\nI didn't dispute any of what you said. I pointed out that most people actively contested any safety measure and most people didn't actually lock down. Any extension will almost certainly be the fault of most of those people. \nI'd gladly let them all die if it meant the few people who did take things seriously didn't have to live through a Walking Dead scenario or have to take a huge financial hit because them.",
">\n\nMost people did lock down just fine initially. After a few weeks turned into a month or more, yeah people got testy.\nAdditionally, a gigantic amount of people work in critical industries and simply cant stay home. Just keeping the lights and water on requires tens of millions of workers, plus industries like plants and refineries that simply cannot shut down without massive long-term consequences.\nReddit is full of office people who can WFH, the vast majority of people cant.",
">\n\nI was one of those who couldn't stay home. Right out of the gate most people gave up on almost all of it except when they were making a show of complying when they had to. There was a lot of cheating. I walk through a lot of different areas. The waves of patients and bodies we got at work tracked with that and became predictable.",
">\n\nWhat’s that saying that ends with ”…doomed to repeat it?”",
">\n\nWhy not just require a negative test from everyone?",
">\n\nWho would you expect to pay for that?",
">\n\nGovernments or sponsors from the private sector ideally, I honestly don’t give a fuck. I’ve gotten many free tests from both and I’ve also bought some for like $8.",
">\n\n“Here we go again” from everyone in the comments. \nThe virus never stopped, we did.",
">\n\nVirus will always be there. Permanent restrictions are unsustainable",
">\n\n3 years later...\nIs this permanent?",
">\n\nI doubt there's anything that would make Republicans running in 2024 happier then Democrats advocating for a return to COVID restrictions.",
">\n\nRight? It’d be like the democrats fighting for gun control, or gay and trans rights, or safe and legal abortions. It would be political suicide to stand for something that Republicans don’t like!",
">\n\nMy understanding is that everything you listed is broadly popular or has at least a majority of American's in favor of it. A return to COVID restrictions is not in that category.",
">\n\nGun control isn’t even universally loved amongst the American left, as the hard left needs them for protection from the hard right they clash with, and the middle left does like having their guns taken as much as any middle right wing does, only mid left likes it",
">\n\nGallup has 57% of Americans feeling that in general gun laws should be more strict.",
">\n\nRegular people want kids to stop dying while in school. The problem is \"stricter laws\" is vague and no one can agree on what it means or give a serious proposal that would work, short of confiscation and bans, which are wildly unpopular.",
">\n\nVague political talking points is the best we’re going to get. Much as I’d love a Ross Perot style of breaking down every platform and promise, the general public doesn’t go for it. Buzz words are all we have the attention span for.",
">\n\nChina's COVID-19 surge raises odds of new coronavirus variants\nThings could get very ugly.",
">\n\nYou say this like covid hasn't been spreading rampantly through literally every country on the planet, mostly without any measures to stop the spread. Why does China get a different treatment and maybe countries should require tests from the US or Inida or Europe?",
">\n\nI agree. US was primarily the culprit of why COVID went rampant to begin with. We actively refused to enforce any sort of safety measures, just a mild suggestion of \"maybe wear a mask, if you want to, it's ok if you don't\" and \"we have vaccines if you want one, no pressure tho\". That was really our response to the world's deadliest pandemic.",
">\n\nWe actively made fun of zero covid approaches on reddit and now based on the comments on this thread we are suddenly pro “zero covid” approaches",
">\n\nEveryone finally watched contagion",
">\n\nSo far my 2023 bingo card is reading alooot of skull and crossbones, I think I might actually win at something next year, what does your score card look like?"
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I’m still living off mine from last time!
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"People from China will travel through Europe and come in to America from the east coast like they did when the pandemic started. This will do nothing if all travelers aboard aren’t made to test.",
">\n\nLet's hope EU and other countries do the same.",
">\n\nI don't know if they will. Australia (for example) had some of the toughest Covid policies and they've essentially just thrown them all out the window.\nSo I don't know how willing countries are to go back to being overly concerned about Covid.",
">\n\nThey should be concerned w chinese, it's spreading like wildfire in china. If we aren't careful, they will come out w covid 20.",
">\n\nIt’s spreading everywhere including the USA. This policy has nothing to do with science or medicine. It’s just politics.",
">\n\nNo. It’s circulating like mad in a population of 1 billion people who haven’t been exposed before. This is how new variants come about. Every country should require negative Covid test for china at least until it cycles through the population",
">\n\n\nNo. It’s circulating like mad in a population of 1 billion people who haven’t been exposed before.\n\nIt's also spreading like mad in all the countries of the world including the USA.\n\nThis is how new variants come about. \n\nAnd they have been for years now.\n\nEvery country should require negative Covid test for china at least until it cycles through the population\n\nOnly for political reasons. There is no scientific or rational demand for this. \nI get it, you hate china, most americans hate china so just be honest and say what you really mean.",
">\n\nStrains are spreading in the west yes, but there are new strains in China that are spreading and we don't know if our vaccines will work with those strains. We know the Chinese vaccines have a low efficacy rate and we know they are not mRNA vaccines which allow for easier adaptation to new strains. Making travelers with a Chinese passport take Covid tests at any and all airports is not racist or even unfair - a reminder that China has been relatively hard to travel to for the last 2 years because they were locked down to foreign travel as well. This is simply good policy from a public health measure, and you not wanting to see that for what it is and instead attribute it to a nascent American hatred for China is laughable. the World Health Organization estimated close to 800 million new cases in China in the next few months, with another estimate 4 million deaths and countless new strains coming out during that period. This is about protection populations, not punishing China.",
">\n\n\nStrains are spreading in the west yes, but there are new strains in China that are spreading and we don't know if our vaccines will work with those strains.\n\nYou don't know if vaccines work against any new variant even if that variant is from a country populated with white people.\n\nWe know the Chinese vaccines have a low efficacy rate and we know they are not mRNA vaccines which allow for easier adaptation to new strains. \n\nThe vaccine doesn't adapt once inside of your body you know that right?\n\nMaking travelers with a Chinese passport take Covid tests at any and all airports is not racist or even unfair \n\nit's definitely unfair and probably racist as well.\n\nhis is simply good policy from a public health measure, a\n\nA good policy would be to require vaccinations from everybody. Think about it, you are requiring a vaccine that you said doesn't even work. How much sense does that make?\n\nattribute it to a nascent American hatred for China is laughable.\n\nNascent?\n\nThis is about protection populations, not punishing China.\n\nIt's definitely about punishing china, it's a part of the current cold war with China conducted by the USA.",
">\n\n\nYou don't know if vaccines work against any new variant even if that variant is from a country populated with white people.\n\nAll the more reason to not invite more new strains into the country. White population or otherwise has nothing to do with it, expected rise in cases in China does.\n\nThe vaccine doesn't adapt once inside of your body you know that right?\n\nYou missed the point. The point i was making was that the Chinese medical system has not even approached Covid with an mRNA vaccine, and steadfastly refused to license western vaccines. If the vaccine most readily available in China has a 50% efficacy then the population is at more risk of contracting the virus and having negative results. The infection rates are increased with each new case of BA.7 (China is currently seeing each covid patient infecting on average 18 other people represented as 1:18, whereas the in US the rate is 1:3.9). Each of these factors increases the risk of developing new strains that are vaccine resistant. \n\nit's definitely unfair and probably racist as well\n\nIs it your position that nations cannot take any prescriptive action to prevent the spread of infected persons from other countries? Again i would remind you that China has basically been locked down for the last 2 years, with severe limitations to personal freedoms themselves. This is not based on race, but rather a government's inability to contain a contagious outbreak in their own country and not wanting it to spread. \n\nA good policy would be to require vaccinations from everybody. Think about it, you are requiring a vaccine that you said doesn't even work. How much sense does that make?\n\nThat might be your definition on good policy, but it isn't mine and that isn't how the west does it. \"I\" am not requiring a vaccine that \"I\" said doesn't work - that was your suggestion not mine. Also, i said the efficacy of the Chinese vaccine is 50% - based on available information - i never said it didn't work, and i never said that it should be mandatory or required.\n\nNascent?\n\nPoor and wrong word choice on my part it seems. What i meant was ascribing the US decision to require testing of Chinese travelers to racism because you believe that the US is racist is laughable. Taking a test to prove that you are covid negative is far less onerous on a traveler than most visa requirements.\n\nIt's definitely about punishing china, it's a part of the current cold war with China conducted by the USA.\n\nCite your sources. I could point to many Chinese government policies that i could say are part of the current cold war with the US without backing it up and it would be just as credible as what you said. Opinion is not a source, and not proof. You assume that the US government is racist, that this policy is racist and yet we have had travel bans imposed on other countries, as well as testing required for travelers from other countries imposed before, and other policies and so has China. For goodness sake China has been closed to foreigners for almost 3 years, and is still closed to foreign travel until January 2023. Is that a racist policy as well?",
">\n\nHere we go again.\nThis time I think I'll learn French cooking.",
">\n\n5000 People a day will have to die before Anybody says the word Lock down in the States ever again.",
">\n\nDon’t understand why people can’t handle staying at home for two weeks when it could potentially eradicate a deadly virus. Are we that weak?",
">\n\nWe did that in large part in March 2020. And did China not spend years locking down their citizens? \nPeoples savings are gone. They need to work. \nWearing a mask would do a lot to help the issue but people aren’t willing to do that anymore.",
">\n\nWe didn't do that though. We didn't all lock down when we were supposed to. Where I work I had to go in from the very start all the way through. Most people, the majority of people, didn't stay home even if they didn't have work. Most people didn't fuck with masks or keeping a distance, and even people who weren't antivaccers didn't take the vaccine seriously for the longest time. \nWe had no fucking lock down, unless you were a well-off celebrity or comedian who wanted to talk about being locked down for content. \nIf people legit locked down, they would have taken a small hit financially, but too many people didn't do shit and prolonged everything.",
">\n\nThe things is that it doesn't take long to drain peoples saving - becuase the overwhelming majority of people have practically none. \nSo an extended lockdown was never feasible unless the government was willing to pay several trillion dollars of expenses, not just 2 or 3 times but several times over.",
">\n\nI didn't dispute any of what you said. I pointed out that most people actively contested any safety measure and most people didn't actually lock down. Any extension will almost certainly be the fault of most of those people. \nI'd gladly let them all die if it meant the few people who did take things seriously didn't have to live through a Walking Dead scenario or have to take a huge financial hit because them.",
">\n\nMost people did lock down just fine initially. After a few weeks turned into a month or more, yeah people got testy.\nAdditionally, a gigantic amount of people work in critical industries and simply cant stay home. Just keeping the lights and water on requires tens of millions of workers, plus industries like plants and refineries that simply cannot shut down without massive long-term consequences.\nReddit is full of office people who can WFH, the vast majority of people cant.",
">\n\nI was one of those who couldn't stay home. Right out of the gate most people gave up on almost all of it except when they were making a show of complying when they had to. There was a lot of cheating. I walk through a lot of different areas. The waves of patients and bodies we got at work tracked with that and became predictable.",
">\n\nWhat’s that saying that ends with ”…doomed to repeat it?”",
">\n\nWhy not just require a negative test from everyone?",
">\n\nWho would you expect to pay for that?",
">\n\nGovernments or sponsors from the private sector ideally, I honestly don’t give a fuck. I’ve gotten many free tests from both and I’ve also bought some for like $8.",
">\n\n“Here we go again” from everyone in the comments. \nThe virus never stopped, we did.",
">\n\nVirus will always be there. Permanent restrictions are unsustainable",
">\n\n3 years later...\nIs this permanent?",
">\n\nI doubt there's anything that would make Republicans running in 2024 happier then Democrats advocating for a return to COVID restrictions.",
">\n\nRight? It’d be like the democrats fighting for gun control, or gay and trans rights, or safe and legal abortions. It would be political suicide to stand for something that Republicans don’t like!",
">\n\nMy understanding is that everything you listed is broadly popular or has at least a majority of American's in favor of it. A return to COVID restrictions is not in that category.",
">\n\nGun control isn’t even universally loved amongst the American left, as the hard left needs them for protection from the hard right they clash with, and the middle left does like having their guns taken as much as any middle right wing does, only mid left likes it",
">\n\nGallup has 57% of Americans feeling that in general gun laws should be more strict.",
">\n\nRegular people want kids to stop dying while in school. The problem is \"stricter laws\" is vague and no one can agree on what it means or give a serious proposal that would work, short of confiscation and bans, which are wildly unpopular.",
">\n\nVague political talking points is the best we’re going to get. Much as I’d love a Ross Perot style of breaking down every platform and promise, the general public doesn’t go for it. Buzz words are all we have the attention span for.",
">\n\nChina's COVID-19 surge raises odds of new coronavirus variants\nThings could get very ugly.",
">\n\nYou say this like covid hasn't been spreading rampantly through literally every country on the planet, mostly without any measures to stop the spread. Why does China get a different treatment and maybe countries should require tests from the US or Inida or Europe?",
">\n\nI agree. US was primarily the culprit of why COVID went rampant to begin with. We actively refused to enforce any sort of safety measures, just a mild suggestion of \"maybe wear a mask, if you want to, it's ok if you don't\" and \"we have vaccines if you want one, no pressure tho\". That was really our response to the world's deadliest pandemic.",
">\n\nWe actively made fun of zero covid approaches on reddit and now based on the comments on this thread we are suddenly pro “zero covid” approaches",
">\n\nEveryone finally watched contagion",
">\n\nSo far my 2023 bingo card is reading alooot of skull and crossbones, I think I might actually win at something next year, what does your score card look like?",
">\n\nWhen’s that $1200 going to hit my account?"
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I’m still looking for mine
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[
"People from China will travel through Europe and come in to America from the east coast like they did when the pandemic started. This will do nothing if all travelers aboard aren’t made to test.",
">\n\nLet's hope EU and other countries do the same.",
">\n\nI don't know if they will. Australia (for example) had some of the toughest Covid policies and they've essentially just thrown them all out the window.\nSo I don't know how willing countries are to go back to being overly concerned about Covid.",
">\n\nThey should be concerned w chinese, it's spreading like wildfire in china. If we aren't careful, they will come out w covid 20.",
">\n\nIt’s spreading everywhere including the USA. This policy has nothing to do with science or medicine. It’s just politics.",
">\n\nNo. It’s circulating like mad in a population of 1 billion people who haven’t been exposed before. This is how new variants come about. Every country should require negative Covid test for china at least until it cycles through the population",
">\n\n\nNo. It’s circulating like mad in a population of 1 billion people who haven’t been exposed before.\n\nIt's also spreading like mad in all the countries of the world including the USA.\n\nThis is how new variants come about. \n\nAnd they have been for years now.\n\nEvery country should require negative Covid test for china at least until it cycles through the population\n\nOnly for political reasons. There is no scientific or rational demand for this. \nI get it, you hate china, most americans hate china so just be honest and say what you really mean.",
">\n\nStrains are spreading in the west yes, but there are new strains in China that are spreading and we don't know if our vaccines will work with those strains. We know the Chinese vaccines have a low efficacy rate and we know they are not mRNA vaccines which allow for easier adaptation to new strains. Making travelers with a Chinese passport take Covid tests at any and all airports is not racist or even unfair - a reminder that China has been relatively hard to travel to for the last 2 years because they were locked down to foreign travel as well. This is simply good policy from a public health measure, and you not wanting to see that for what it is and instead attribute it to a nascent American hatred for China is laughable. the World Health Organization estimated close to 800 million new cases in China in the next few months, with another estimate 4 million deaths and countless new strains coming out during that period. This is about protection populations, not punishing China.",
">\n\n\nStrains are spreading in the west yes, but there are new strains in China that are spreading and we don't know if our vaccines will work with those strains.\n\nYou don't know if vaccines work against any new variant even if that variant is from a country populated with white people.\n\nWe know the Chinese vaccines have a low efficacy rate and we know they are not mRNA vaccines which allow for easier adaptation to new strains. \n\nThe vaccine doesn't adapt once inside of your body you know that right?\n\nMaking travelers with a Chinese passport take Covid tests at any and all airports is not racist or even unfair \n\nit's definitely unfair and probably racist as well.\n\nhis is simply good policy from a public health measure, a\n\nA good policy would be to require vaccinations from everybody. Think about it, you are requiring a vaccine that you said doesn't even work. How much sense does that make?\n\nattribute it to a nascent American hatred for China is laughable.\n\nNascent?\n\nThis is about protection populations, not punishing China.\n\nIt's definitely about punishing china, it's a part of the current cold war with China conducted by the USA.",
">\n\n\nYou don't know if vaccines work against any new variant even if that variant is from a country populated with white people.\n\nAll the more reason to not invite more new strains into the country. White population or otherwise has nothing to do with it, expected rise in cases in China does.\n\nThe vaccine doesn't adapt once inside of your body you know that right?\n\nYou missed the point. The point i was making was that the Chinese medical system has not even approached Covid with an mRNA vaccine, and steadfastly refused to license western vaccines. If the vaccine most readily available in China has a 50% efficacy then the population is at more risk of contracting the virus and having negative results. The infection rates are increased with each new case of BA.7 (China is currently seeing each covid patient infecting on average 18 other people represented as 1:18, whereas the in US the rate is 1:3.9). Each of these factors increases the risk of developing new strains that are vaccine resistant. \n\nit's definitely unfair and probably racist as well\n\nIs it your position that nations cannot take any prescriptive action to prevent the spread of infected persons from other countries? Again i would remind you that China has basically been locked down for the last 2 years, with severe limitations to personal freedoms themselves. This is not based on race, but rather a government's inability to contain a contagious outbreak in their own country and not wanting it to spread. \n\nA good policy would be to require vaccinations from everybody. Think about it, you are requiring a vaccine that you said doesn't even work. How much sense does that make?\n\nThat might be your definition on good policy, but it isn't mine and that isn't how the west does it. \"I\" am not requiring a vaccine that \"I\" said doesn't work - that was your suggestion not mine. Also, i said the efficacy of the Chinese vaccine is 50% - based on available information - i never said it didn't work, and i never said that it should be mandatory or required.\n\nNascent?\n\nPoor and wrong word choice on my part it seems. What i meant was ascribing the US decision to require testing of Chinese travelers to racism because you believe that the US is racist is laughable. Taking a test to prove that you are covid negative is far less onerous on a traveler than most visa requirements.\n\nIt's definitely about punishing china, it's a part of the current cold war with China conducted by the USA.\n\nCite your sources. I could point to many Chinese government policies that i could say are part of the current cold war with the US without backing it up and it would be just as credible as what you said. Opinion is not a source, and not proof. You assume that the US government is racist, that this policy is racist and yet we have had travel bans imposed on other countries, as well as testing required for travelers from other countries imposed before, and other policies and so has China. For goodness sake China has been closed to foreigners for almost 3 years, and is still closed to foreign travel until January 2023. Is that a racist policy as well?",
">\n\nHere we go again.\nThis time I think I'll learn French cooking.",
">\n\n5000 People a day will have to die before Anybody says the word Lock down in the States ever again.",
">\n\nDon’t understand why people can’t handle staying at home for two weeks when it could potentially eradicate a deadly virus. Are we that weak?",
">\n\nWe did that in large part in March 2020. And did China not spend years locking down their citizens? \nPeoples savings are gone. They need to work. \nWearing a mask would do a lot to help the issue but people aren’t willing to do that anymore.",
">\n\nWe didn't do that though. We didn't all lock down when we were supposed to. Where I work I had to go in from the very start all the way through. Most people, the majority of people, didn't stay home even if they didn't have work. Most people didn't fuck with masks or keeping a distance, and even people who weren't antivaccers didn't take the vaccine seriously for the longest time. \nWe had no fucking lock down, unless you were a well-off celebrity or comedian who wanted to talk about being locked down for content. \nIf people legit locked down, they would have taken a small hit financially, but too many people didn't do shit and prolonged everything.",
">\n\nThe things is that it doesn't take long to drain peoples saving - becuase the overwhelming majority of people have practically none. \nSo an extended lockdown was never feasible unless the government was willing to pay several trillion dollars of expenses, not just 2 or 3 times but several times over.",
">\n\nI didn't dispute any of what you said. I pointed out that most people actively contested any safety measure and most people didn't actually lock down. Any extension will almost certainly be the fault of most of those people. \nI'd gladly let them all die if it meant the few people who did take things seriously didn't have to live through a Walking Dead scenario or have to take a huge financial hit because them.",
">\n\nMost people did lock down just fine initially. After a few weeks turned into a month or more, yeah people got testy.\nAdditionally, a gigantic amount of people work in critical industries and simply cant stay home. Just keeping the lights and water on requires tens of millions of workers, plus industries like plants and refineries that simply cannot shut down without massive long-term consequences.\nReddit is full of office people who can WFH, the vast majority of people cant.",
">\n\nI was one of those who couldn't stay home. Right out of the gate most people gave up on almost all of it except when they were making a show of complying when they had to. There was a lot of cheating. I walk through a lot of different areas. The waves of patients and bodies we got at work tracked with that and became predictable.",
">\n\nWhat’s that saying that ends with ”…doomed to repeat it?”",
">\n\nWhy not just require a negative test from everyone?",
">\n\nWho would you expect to pay for that?",
">\n\nGovernments or sponsors from the private sector ideally, I honestly don’t give a fuck. I’ve gotten many free tests from both and I’ve also bought some for like $8.",
">\n\n“Here we go again” from everyone in the comments. \nThe virus never stopped, we did.",
">\n\nVirus will always be there. Permanent restrictions are unsustainable",
">\n\n3 years later...\nIs this permanent?",
">\n\nI doubt there's anything that would make Republicans running in 2024 happier then Democrats advocating for a return to COVID restrictions.",
">\n\nRight? It’d be like the democrats fighting for gun control, or gay and trans rights, or safe and legal abortions. It would be political suicide to stand for something that Republicans don’t like!",
">\n\nMy understanding is that everything you listed is broadly popular or has at least a majority of American's in favor of it. A return to COVID restrictions is not in that category.",
">\n\nGun control isn’t even universally loved amongst the American left, as the hard left needs them for protection from the hard right they clash with, and the middle left does like having their guns taken as much as any middle right wing does, only mid left likes it",
">\n\nGallup has 57% of Americans feeling that in general gun laws should be more strict.",
">\n\nRegular people want kids to stop dying while in school. The problem is \"stricter laws\" is vague and no one can agree on what it means or give a serious proposal that would work, short of confiscation and bans, which are wildly unpopular.",
">\n\nVague political talking points is the best we’re going to get. Much as I’d love a Ross Perot style of breaking down every platform and promise, the general public doesn’t go for it. Buzz words are all we have the attention span for.",
">\n\nChina's COVID-19 surge raises odds of new coronavirus variants\nThings could get very ugly.",
">\n\nYou say this like covid hasn't been spreading rampantly through literally every country on the planet, mostly without any measures to stop the spread. Why does China get a different treatment and maybe countries should require tests from the US or Inida or Europe?",
">\n\nI agree. US was primarily the culprit of why COVID went rampant to begin with. We actively refused to enforce any sort of safety measures, just a mild suggestion of \"maybe wear a mask, if you want to, it's ok if you don't\" and \"we have vaccines if you want one, no pressure tho\". That was really our response to the world's deadliest pandemic.",
">\n\nWe actively made fun of zero covid approaches on reddit and now based on the comments on this thread we are suddenly pro “zero covid” approaches",
">\n\nEveryone finally watched contagion",
">\n\nSo far my 2023 bingo card is reading alooot of skull and crossbones, I think I might actually win at something next year, what does your score card look like?",
">\n\nWhen’s that $1200 going to hit my account?",
">\n\nI’m still living off mine from last time!"
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I’m waiting for that $600 bucks from Biden still, but that’s going right into my retirement!
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[
"People from China will travel through Europe and come in to America from the east coast like they did when the pandemic started. This will do nothing if all travelers aboard aren’t made to test.",
">\n\nLet's hope EU and other countries do the same.",
">\n\nI don't know if they will. Australia (for example) had some of the toughest Covid policies and they've essentially just thrown them all out the window.\nSo I don't know how willing countries are to go back to being overly concerned about Covid.",
">\n\nThey should be concerned w chinese, it's spreading like wildfire in china. If we aren't careful, they will come out w covid 20.",
">\n\nIt’s spreading everywhere including the USA. This policy has nothing to do with science or medicine. It’s just politics.",
">\n\nNo. It’s circulating like mad in a population of 1 billion people who haven’t been exposed before. This is how new variants come about. Every country should require negative Covid test for china at least until it cycles through the population",
">\n\n\nNo. It’s circulating like mad in a population of 1 billion people who haven’t been exposed before.\n\nIt's also spreading like mad in all the countries of the world including the USA.\n\nThis is how new variants come about. \n\nAnd they have been for years now.\n\nEvery country should require negative Covid test for china at least until it cycles through the population\n\nOnly for political reasons. There is no scientific or rational demand for this. \nI get it, you hate china, most americans hate china so just be honest and say what you really mean.",
">\n\nStrains are spreading in the west yes, but there are new strains in China that are spreading and we don't know if our vaccines will work with those strains. We know the Chinese vaccines have a low efficacy rate and we know they are not mRNA vaccines which allow for easier adaptation to new strains. Making travelers with a Chinese passport take Covid tests at any and all airports is not racist or even unfair - a reminder that China has been relatively hard to travel to for the last 2 years because they were locked down to foreign travel as well. This is simply good policy from a public health measure, and you not wanting to see that for what it is and instead attribute it to a nascent American hatred for China is laughable. the World Health Organization estimated close to 800 million new cases in China in the next few months, with another estimate 4 million deaths and countless new strains coming out during that period. This is about protection populations, not punishing China.",
">\n\n\nStrains are spreading in the west yes, but there are new strains in China that are spreading and we don't know if our vaccines will work with those strains.\n\nYou don't know if vaccines work against any new variant even if that variant is from a country populated with white people.\n\nWe know the Chinese vaccines have a low efficacy rate and we know they are not mRNA vaccines which allow for easier adaptation to new strains. \n\nThe vaccine doesn't adapt once inside of your body you know that right?\n\nMaking travelers with a Chinese passport take Covid tests at any and all airports is not racist or even unfair \n\nit's definitely unfair and probably racist as well.\n\nhis is simply good policy from a public health measure, a\n\nA good policy would be to require vaccinations from everybody. Think about it, you are requiring a vaccine that you said doesn't even work. How much sense does that make?\n\nattribute it to a nascent American hatred for China is laughable.\n\nNascent?\n\nThis is about protection populations, not punishing China.\n\nIt's definitely about punishing china, it's a part of the current cold war with China conducted by the USA.",
">\n\n\nYou don't know if vaccines work against any new variant even if that variant is from a country populated with white people.\n\nAll the more reason to not invite more new strains into the country. White population or otherwise has nothing to do with it, expected rise in cases in China does.\n\nThe vaccine doesn't adapt once inside of your body you know that right?\n\nYou missed the point. The point i was making was that the Chinese medical system has not even approached Covid with an mRNA vaccine, and steadfastly refused to license western vaccines. If the vaccine most readily available in China has a 50% efficacy then the population is at more risk of contracting the virus and having negative results. The infection rates are increased with each new case of BA.7 (China is currently seeing each covid patient infecting on average 18 other people represented as 1:18, whereas the in US the rate is 1:3.9). Each of these factors increases the risk of developing new strains that are vaccine resistant. \n\nit's definitely unfair and probably racist as well\n\nIs it your position that nations cannot take any prescriptive action to prevent the spread of infected persons from other countries? Again i would remind you that China has basically been locked down for the last 2 years, with severe limitations to personal freedoms themselves. This is not based on race, but rather a government's inability to contain a contagious outbreak in their own country and not wanting it to spread. \n\nA good policy would be to require vaccinations from everybody. Think about it, you are requiring a vaccine that you said doesn't even work. How much sense does that make?\n\nThat might be your definition on good policy, but it isn't mine and that isn't how the west does it. \"I\" am not requiring a vaccine that \"I\" said doesn't work - that was your suggestion not mine. Also, i said the efficacy of the Chinese vaccine is 50% - based on available information - i never said it didn't work, and i never said that it should be mandatory or required.\n\nNascent?\n\nPoor and wrong word choice on my part it seems. What i meant was ascribing the US decision to require testing of Chinese travelers to racism because you believe that the US is racist is laughable. Taking a test to prove that you are covid negative is far less onerous on a traveler than most visa requirements.\n\nIt's definitely about punishing china, it's a part of the current cold war with China conducted by the USA.\n\nCite your sources. I could point to many Chinese government policies that i could say are part of the current cold war with the US without backing it up and it would be just as credible as what you said. Opinion is not a source, and not proof. You assume that the US government is racist, that this policy is racist and yet we have had travel bans imposed on other countries, as well as testing required for travelers from other countries imposed before, and other policies and so has China. For goodness sake China has been closed to foreigners for almost 3 years, and is still closed to foreign travel until January 2023. Is that a racist policy as well?",
">\n\nHere we go again.\nThis time I think I'll learn French cooking.",
">\n\n5000 People a day will have to die before Anybody says the word Lock down in the States ever again.",
">\n\nDon’t understand why people can’t handle staying at home for two weeks when it could potentially eradicate a deadly virus. Are we that weak?",
">\n\nWe did that in large part in March 2020. And did China not spend years locking down their citizens? \nPeoples savings are gone. They need to work. \nWearing a mask would do a lot to help the issue but people aren’t willing to do that anymore.",
">\n\nWe didn't do that though. We didn't all lock down when we were supposed to. Where I work I had to go in from the very start all the way through. Most people, the majority of people, didn't stay home even if they didn't have work. Most people didn't fuck with masks or keeping a distance, and even people who weren't antivaccers didn't take the vaccine seriously for the longest time. \nWe had no fucking lock down, unless you were a well-off celebrity or comedian who wanted to talk about being locked down for content. \nIf people legit locked down, they would have taken a small hit financially, but too many people didn't do shit and prolonged everything.",
">\n\nThe things is that it doesn't take long to drain peoples saving - becuase the overwhelming majority of people have practically none. \nSo an extended lockdown was never feasible unless the government was willing to pay several trillion dollars of expenses, not just 2 or 3 times but several times over.",
">\n\nI didn't dispute any of what you said. I pointed out that most people actively contested any safety measure and most people didn't actually lock down. Any extension will almost certainly be the fault of most of those people. \nI'd gladly let them all die if it meant the few people who did take things seriously didn't have to live through a Walking Dead scenario or have to take a huge financial hit because them.",
">\n\nMost people did lock down just fine initially. After a few weeks turned into a month or more, yeah people got testy.\nAdditionally, a gigantic amount of people work in critical industries and simply cant stay home. Just keeping the lights and water on requires tens of millions of workers, plus industries like plants and refineries that simply cannot shut down without massive long-term consequences.\nReddit is full of office people who can WFH, the vast majority of people cant.",
">\n\nI was one of those who couldn't stay home. Right out of the gate most people gave up on almost all of it except when they were making a show of complying when they had to. There was a lot of cheating. I walk through a lot of different areas. The waves of patients and bodies we got at work tracked with that and became predictable.",
">\n\nWhat’s that saying that ends with ”…doomed to repeat it?”",
">\n\nWhy not just require a negative test from everyone?",
">\n\nWho would you expect to pay for that?",
">\n\nGovernments or sponsors from the private sector ideally, I honestly don’t give a fuck. I’ve gotten many free tests from both and I’ve also bought some for like $8.",
">\n\n“Here we go again” from everyone in the comments. \nThe virus never stopped, we did.",
">\n\nVirus will always be there. Permanent restrictions are unsustainable",
">\n\n3 years later...\nIs this permanent?",
">\n\nI doubt there's anything that would make Republicans running in 2024 happier then Democrats advocating for a return to COVID restrictions.",
">\n\nRight? It’d be like the democrats fighting for gun control, or gay and trans rights, or safe and legal abortions. It would be political suicide to stand for something that Republicans don’t like!",
">\n\nMy understanding is that everything you listed is broadly popular or has at least a majority of American's in favor of it. A return to COVID restrictions is not in that category.",
">\n\nGun control isn’t even universally loved amongst the American left, as the hard left needs them for protection from the hard right they clash with, and the middle left does like having their guns taken as much as any middle right wing does, only mid left likes it",
">\n\nGallup has 57% of Americans feeling that in general gun laws should be more strict.",
">\n\nRegular people want kids to stop dying while in school. The problem is \"stricter laws\" is vague and no one can agree on what it means or give a serious proposal that would work, short of confiscation and bans, which are wildly unpopular.",
">\n\nVague political talking points is the best we’re going to get. Much as I’d love a Ross Perot style of breaking down every platform and promise, the general public doesn’t go for it. Buzz words are all we have the attention span for.",
">\n\nChina's COVID-19 surge raises odds of new coronavirus variants\nThings could get very ugly.",
">\n\nYou say this like covid hasn't been spreading rampantly through literally every country on the planet, mostly without any measures to stop the spread. Why does China get a different treatment and maybe countries should require tests from the US or Inida or Europe?",
">\n\nI agree. US was primarily the culprit of why COVID went rampant to begin with. We actively refused to enforce any sort of safety measures, just a mild suggestion of \"maybe wear a mask, if you want to, it's ok if you don't\" and \"we have vaccines if you want one, no pressure tho\". That was really our response to the world's deadliest pandemic.",
">\n\nWe actively made fun of zero covid approaches on reddit and now based on the comments on this thread we are suddenly pro “zero covid” approaches",
">\n\nEveryone finally watched contagion",
">\n\nSo far my 2023 bingo card is reading alooot of skull and crossbones, I think I might actually win at something next year, what does your score card look like?",
">\n\nWhen’s that $1200 going to hit my account?",
">\n\nI’m still living off mine from last time!",
">\n\nI’m still looking for mine"
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You dont get he meant to include any money you already received as well /s
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"People from China will travel through Europe and come in to America from the east coast like they did when the pandemic started. This will do nothing if all travelers aboard aren’t made to test.",
">\n\nLet's hope EU and other countries do the same.",
">\n\nI don't know if they will. Australia (for example) had some of the toughest Covid policies and they've essentially just thrown them all out the window.\nSo I don't know how willing countries are to go back to being overly concerned about Covid.",
">\n\nThey should be concerned w chinese, it's spreading like wildfire in china. If we aren't careful, they will come out w covid 20.",
">\n\nIt’s spreading everywhere including the USA. This policy has nothing to do with science or medicine. It’s just politics.",
">\n\nNo. It’s circulating like mad in a population of 1 billion people who haven’t been exposed before. This is how new variants come about. Every country should require negative Covid test for china at least until it cycles through the population",
">\n\n\nNo. It’s circulating like mad in a population of 1 billion people who haven’t been exposed before.\n\nIt's also spreading like mad in all the countries of the world including the USA.\n\nThis is how new variants come about. \n\nAnd they have been for years now.\n\nEvery country should require negative Covid test for china at least until it cycles through the population\n\nOnly for political reasons. There is no scientific or rational demand for this. \nI get it, you hate china, most americans hate china so just be honest and say what you really mean.",
">\n\nStrains are spreading in the west yes, but there are new strains in China that are spreading and we don't know if our vaccines will work with those strains. We know the Chinese vaccines have a low efficacy rate and we know they are not mRNA vaccines which allow for easier adaptation to new strains. Making travelers with a Chinese passport take Covid tests at any and all airports is not racist or even unfair - a reminder that China has been relatively hard to travel to for the last 2 years because they were locked down to foreign travel as well. This is simply good policy from a public health measure, and you not wanting to see that for what it is and instead attribute it to a nascent American hatred for China is laughable. the World Health Organization estimated close to 800 million new cases in China in the next few months, with another estimate 4 million deaths and countless new strains coming out during that period. This is about protection populations, not punishing China.",
">\n\n\nStrains are spreading in the west yes, but there are new strains in China that are spreading and we don't know if our vaccines will work with those strains.\n\nYou don't know if vaccines work against any new variant even if that variant is from a country populated with white people.\n\nWe know the Chinese vaccines have a low efficacy rate and we know they are not mRNA vaccines which allow for easier adaptation to new strains. \n\nThe vaccine doesn't adapt once inside of your body you know that right?\n\nMaking travelers with a Chinese passport take Covid tests at any and all airports is not racist or even unfair \n\nit's definitely unfair and probably racist as well.\n\nhis is simply good policy from a public health measure, a\n\nA good policy would be to require vaccinations from everybody. Think about it, you are requiring a vaccine that you said doesn't even work. How much sense does that make?\n\nattribute it to a nascent American hatred for China is laughable.\n\nNascent?\n\nThis is about protection populations, not punishing China.\n\nIt's definitely about punishing china, it's a part of the current cold war with China conducted by the USA.",
">\n\n\nYou don't know if vaccines work against any new variant even if that variant is from a country populated with white people.\n\nAll the more reason to not invite more new strains into the country. White population or otherwise has nothing to do with it, expected rise in cases in China does.\n\nThe vaccine doesn't adapt once inside of your body you know that right?\n\nYou missed the point. The point i was making was that the Chinese medical system has not even approached Covid with an mRNA vaccine, and steadfastly refused to license western vaccines. If the vaccine most readily available in China has a 50% efficacy then the population is at more risk of contracting the virus and having negative results. The infection rates are increased with each new case of BA.7 (China is currently seeing each covid patient infecting on average 18 other people represented as 1:18, whereas the in US the rate is 1:3.9). Each of these factors increases the risk of developing new strains that are vaccine resistant. \n\nit's definitely unfair and probably racist as well\n\nIs it your position that nations cannot take any prescriptive action to prevent the spread of infected persons from other countries? Again i would remind you that China has basically been locked down for the last 2 years, with severe limitations to personal freedoms themselves. This is not based on race, but rather a government's inability to contain a contagious outbreak in their own country and not wanting it to spread. \n\nA good policy would be to require vaccinations from everybody. Think about it, you are requiring a vaccine that you said doesn't even work. How much sense does that make?\n\nThat might be your definition on good policy, but it isn't mine and that isn't how the west does it. \"I\" am not requiring a vaccine that \"I\" said doesn't work - that was your suggestion not mine. Also, i said the efficacy of the Chinese vaccine is 50% - based on available information - i never said it didn't work, and i never said that it should be mandatory or required.\n\nNascent?\n\nPoor and wrong word choice on my part it seems. What i meant was ascribing the US decision to require testing of Chinese travelers to racism because you believe that the US is racist is laughable. Taking a test to prove that you are covid negative is far less onerous on a traveler than most visa requirements.\n\nIt's definitely about punishing china, it's a part of the current cold war with China conducted by the USA.\n\nCite your sources. I could point to many Chinese government policies that i could say are part of the current cold war with the US without backing it up and it would be just as credible as what you said. Opinion is not a source, and not proof. You assume that the US government is racist, that this policy is racist and yet we have had travel bans imposed on other countries, as well as testing required for travelers from other countries imposed before, and other policies and so has China. For goodness sake China has been closed to foreigners for almost 3 years, and is still closed to foreign travel until January 2023. Is that a racist policy as well?",
">\n\nHere we go again.\nThis time I think I'll learn French cooking.",
">\n\n5000 People a day will have to die before Anybody says the word Lock down in the States ever again.",
">\n\nDon’t understand why people can’t handle staying at home for two weeks when it could potentially eradicate a deadly virus. Are we that weak?",
">\n\nWe did that in large part in March 2020. And did China not spend years locking down their citizens? \nPeoples savings are gone. They need to work. \nWearing a mask would do a lot to help the issue but people aren’t willing to do that anymore.",
">\n\nWe didn't do that though. We didn't all lock down when we were supposed to. Where I work I had to go in from the very start all the way through. Most people, the majority of people, didn't stay home even if they didn't have work. Most people didn't fuck with masks or keeping a distance, and even people who weren't antivaccers didn't take the vaccine seriously for the longest time. \nWe had no fucking lock down, unless you were a well-off celebrity or comedian who wanted to talk about being locked down for content. \nIf people legit locked down, they would have taken a small hit financially, but too many people didn't do shit and prolonged everything.",
">\n\nThe things is that it doesn't take long to drain peoples saving - becuase the overwhelming majority of people have practically none. \nSo an extended lockdown was never feasible unless the government was willing to pay several trillion dollars of expenses, not just 2 or 3 times but several times over.",
">\n\nI didn't dispute any of what you said. I pointed out that most people actively contested any safety measure and most people didn't actually lock down. Any extension will almost certainly be the fault of most of those people. \nI'd gladly let them all die if it meant the few people who did take things seriously didn't have to live through a Walking Dead scenario or have to take a huge financial hit because them.",
">\n\nMost people did lock down just fine initially. After a few weeks turned into a month or more, yeah people got testy.\nAdditionally, a gigantic amount of people work in critical industries and simply cant stay home. Just keeping the lights and water on requires tens of millions of workers, plus industries like plants and refineries that simply cannot shut down without massive long-term consequences.\nReddit is full of office people who can WFH, the vast majority of people cant.",
">\n\nI was one of those who couldn't stay home. Right out of the gate most people gave up on almost all of it except when they were making a show of complying when they had to. There was a lot of cheating. I walk through a lot of different areas. The waves of patients and bodies we got at work tracked with that and became predictable.",
">\n\nWhat’s that saying that ends with ”…doomed to repeat it?”",
">\n\nWhy not just require a negative test from everyone?",
">\n\nWho would you expect to pay for that?",
">\n\nGovernments or sponsors from the private sector ideally, I honestly don’t give a fuck. I’ve gotten many free tests from both and I’ve also bought some for like $8.",
">\n\n“Here we go again” from everyone in the comments. \nThe virus never stopped, we did.",
">\n\nVirus will always be there. Permanent restrictions are unsustainable",
">\n\n3 years later...\nIs this permanent?",
">\n\nI doubt there's anything that would make Republicans running in 2024 happier then Democrats advocating for a return to COVID restrictions.",
">\n\nRight? It’d be like the democrats fighting for gun control, or gay and trans rights, or safe and legal abortions. It would be political suicide to stand for something that Republicans don’t like!",
">\n\nMy understanding is that everything you listed is broadly popular or has at least a majority of American's in favor of it. A return to COVID restrictions is not in that category.",
">\n\nGun control isn’t even universally loved amongst the American left, as the hard left needs them for protection from the hard right they clash with, and the middle left does like having their guns taken as much as any middle right wing does, only mid left likes it",
">\n\nGallup has 57% of Americans feeling that in general gun laws should be more strict.",
">\n\nRegular people want kids to stop dying while in school. The problem is \"stricter laws\" is vague and no one can agree on what it means or give a serious proposal that would work, short of confiscation and bans, which are wildly unpopular.",
">\n\nVague political talking points is the best we’re going to get. Much as I’d love a Ross Perot style of breaking down every platform and promise, the general public doesn’t go for it. Buzz words are all we have the attention span for.",
">\n\nChina's COVID-19 surge raises odds of new coronavirus variants\nThings could get very ugly.",
">\n\nYou say this like covid hasn't been spreading rampantly through literally every country on the planet, mostly without any measures to stop the spread. Why does China get a different treatment and maybe countries should require tests from the US or Inida or Europe?",
">\n\nI agree. US was primarily the culprit of why COVID went rampant to begin with. We actively refused to enforce any sort of safety measures, just a mild suggestion of \"maybe wear a mask, if you want to, it's ok if you don't\" and \"we have vaccines if you want one, no pressure tho\". That was really our response to the world's deadliest pandemic.",
">\n\nWe actively made fun of zero covid approaches on reddit and now based on the comments on this thread we are suddenly pro “zero covid” approaches",
">\n\nEveryone finally watched contagion",
">\n\nSo far my 2023 bingo card is reading alooot of skull and crossbones, I think I might actually win at something next year, what does your score card look like?",
">\n\nWhen’s that $1200 going to hit my account?",
">\n\nI’m still living off mine from last time!",
">\n\nI’m still looking for mine",
">\n\nI’m waiting for that $600 bucks from Biden still, but that’s going right into my retirement!"
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I seem to remember campaign ads with $2000 checks.
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"People from China will travel through Europe and come in to America from the east coast like they did when the pandemic started. This will do nothing if all travelers aboard aren’t made to test.",
">\n\nLet's hope EU and other countries do the same.",
">\n\nI don't know if they will. Australia (for example) had some of the toughest Covid policies and they've essentially just thrown them all out the window.\nSo I don't know how willing countries are to go back to being overly concerned about Covid.",
">\n\nThey should be concerned w chinese, it's spreading like wildfire in china. If we aren't careful, they will come out w covid 20.",
">\n\nIt’s spreading everywhere including the USA. This policy has nothing to do with science or medicine. It’s just politics.",
">\n\nNo. It’s circulating like mad in a population of 1 billion people who haven’t been exposed before. This is how new variants come about. Every country should require negative Covid test for china at least until it cycles through the population",
">\n\n\nNo. It’s circulating like mad in a population of 1 billion people who haven’t been exposed before.\n\nIt's also spreading like mad in all the countries of the world including the USA.\n\nThis is how new variants come about. \n\nAnd they have been for years now.\n\nEvery country should require negative Covid test for china at least until it cycles through the population\n\nOnly for political reasons. There is no scientific or rational demand for this. \nI get it, you hate china, most americans hate china so just be honest and say what you really mean.",
">\n\nStrains are spreading in the west yes, but there are new strains in China that are spreading and we don't know if our vaccines will work with those strains. We know the Chinese vaccines have a low efficacy rate and we know they are not mRNA vaccines which allow for easier adaptation to new strains. Making travelers with a Chinese passport take Covid tests at any and all airports is not racist or even unfair - a reminder that China has been relatively hard to travel to for the last 2 years because they were locked down to foreign travel as well. This is simply good policy from a public health measure, and you not wanting to see that for what it is and instead attribute it to a nascent American hatred for China is laughable. the World Health Organization estimated close to 800 million new cases in China in the next few months, with another estimate 4 million deaths and countless new strains coming out during that period. This is about protection populations, not punishing China.",
">\n\n\nStrains are spreading in the west yes, but there are new strains in China that are spreading and we don't know if our vaccines will work with those strains.\n\nYou don't know if vaccines work against any new variant even if that variant is from a country populated with white people.\n\nWe know the Chinese vaccines have a low efficacy rate and we know they are not mRNA vaccines which allow for easier adaptation to new strains. \n\nThe vaccine doesn't adapt once inside of your body you know that right?\n\nMaking travelers with a Chinese passport take Covid tests at any and all airports is not racist or even unfair \n\nit's definitely unfair and probably racist as well.\n\nhis is simply good policy from a public health measure, a\n\nA good policy would be to require vaccinations from everybody. Think about it, you are requiring a vaccine that you said doesn't even work. How much sense does that make?\n\nattribute it to a nascent American hatred for China is laughable.\n\nNascent?\n\nThis is about protection populations, not punishing China.\n\nIt's definitely about punishing china, it's a part of the current cold war with China conducted by the USA.",
">\n\n\nYou don't know if vaccines work against any new variant even if that variant is from a country populated with white people.\n\nAll the more reason to not invite more new strains into the country. White population or otherwise has nothing to do with it, expected rise in cases in China does.\n\nThe vaccine doesn't adapt once inside of your body you know that right?\n\nYou missed the point. The point i was making was that the Chinese medical system has not even approached Covid with an mRNA vaccine, and steadfastly refused to license western vaccines. If the vaccine most readily available in China has a 50% efficacy then the population is at more risk of contracting the virus and having negative results. The infection rates are increased with each new case of BA.7 (China is currently seeing each covid patient infecting on average 18 other people represented as 1:18, whereas the in US the rate is 1:3.9). Each of these factors increases the risk of developing new strains that are vaccine resistant. \n\nit's definitely unfair and probably racist as well\n\nIs it your position that nations cannot take any prescriptive action to prevent the spread of infected persons from other countries? Again i would remind you that China has basically been locked down for the last 2 years, with severe limitations to personal freedoms themselves. This is not based on race, but rather a government's inability to contain a contagious outbreak in their own country and not wanting it to spread. \n\nA good policy would be to require vaccinations from everybody. Think about it, you are requiring a vaccine that you said doesn't even work. How much sense does that make?\n\nThat might be your definition on good policy, but it isn't mine and that isn't how the west does it. \"I\" am not requiring a vaccine that \"I\" said doesn't work - that was your suggestion not mine. Also, i said the efficacy of the Chinese vaccine is 50% - based on available information - i never said it didn't work, and i never said that it should be mandatory or required.\n\nNascent?\n\nPoor and wrong word choice on my part it seems. What i meant was ascribing the US decision to require testing of Chinese travelers to racism because you believe that the US is racist is laughable. Taking a test to prove that you are covid negative is far less onerous on a traveler than most visa requirements.\n\nIt's definitely about punishing china, it's a part of the current cold war with China conducted by the USA.\n\nCite your sources. I could point to many Chinese government policies that i could say are part of the current cold war with the US without backing it up and it would be just as credible as what you said. Opinion is not a source, and not proof. You assume that the US government is racist, that this policy is racist and yet we have had travel bans imposed on other countries, as well as testing required for travelers from other countries imposed before, and other policies and so has China. For goodness sake China has been closed to foreigners for almost 3 years, and is still closed to foreign travel until January 2023. Is that a racist policy as well?",
">\n\nHere we go again.\nThis time I think I'll learn French cooking.",
">\n\n5000 People a day will have to die before Anybody says the word Lock down in the States ever again.",
">\n\nDon’t understand why people can’t handle staying at home for two weeks when it could potentially eradicate a deadly virus. Are we that weak?",
">\n\nWe did that in large part in March 2020. And did China not spend years locking down their citizens? \nPeoples savings are gone. They need to work. \nWearing a mask would do a lot to help the issue but people aren’t willing to do that anymore.",
">\n\nWe didn't do that though. We didn't all lock down when we were supposed to. Where I work I had to go in from the very start all the way through. Most people, the majority of people, didn't stay home even if they didn't have work. Most people didn't fuck with masks or keeping a distance, and even people who weren't antivaccers didn't take the vaccine seriously for the longest time. \nWe had no fucking lock down, unless you were a well-off celebrity or comedian who wanted to talk about being locked down for content. \nIf people legit locked down, they would have taken a small hit financially, but too many people didn't do shit and prolonged everything.",
">\n\nThe things is that it doesn't take long to drain peoples saving - becuase the overwhelming majority of people have practically none. \nSo an extended lockdown was never feasible unless the government was willing to pay several trillion dollars of expenses, not just 2 or 3 times but several times over.",
">\n\nI didn't dispute any of what you said. I pointed out that most people actively contested any safety measure and most people didn't actually lock down. Any extension will almost certainly be the fault of most of those people. \nI'd gladly let them all die if it meant the few people who did take things seriously didn't have to live through a Walking Dead scenario or have to take a huge financial hit because them.",
">\n\nMost people did lock down just fine initially. After a few weeks turned into a month or more, yeah people got testy.\nAdditionally, a gigantic amount of people work in critical industries and simply cant stay home. Just keeping the lights and water on requires tens of millions of workers, plus industries like plants and refineries that simply cannot shut down without massive long-term consequences.\nReddit is full of office people who can WFH, the vast majority of people cant.",
">\n\nI was one of those who couldn't stay home. Right out of the gate most people gave up on almost all of it except when they were making a show of complying when they had to. There was a lot of cheating. I walk through a lot of different areas. The waves of patients and bodies we got at work tracked with that and became predictable.",
">\n\nWhat’s that saying that ends with ”…doomed to repeat it?”",
">\n\nWhy not just require a negative test from everyone?",
">\n\nWho would you expect to pay for that?",
">\n\nGovernments or sponsors from the private sector ideally, I honestly don’t give a fuck. I’ve gotten many free tests from both and I’ve also bought some for like $8.",
">\n\n“Here we go again” from everyone in the comments. \nThe virus never stopped, we did.",
">\n\nVirus will always be there. Permanent restrictions are unsustainable",
">\n\n3 years later...\nIs this permanent?",
">\n\nI doubt there's anything that would make Republicans running in 2024 happier then Democrats advocating for a return to COVID restrictions.",
">\n\nRight? It’d be like the democrats fighting for gun control, or gay and trans rights, or safe and legal abortions. It would be political suicide to stand for something that Republicans don’t like!",
">\n\nMy understanding is that everything you listed is broadly popular or has at least a majority of American's in favor of it. A return to COVID restrictions is not in that category.",
">\n\nGun control isn’t even universally loved amongst the American left, as the hard left needs them for protection from the hard right they clash with, and the middle left does like having their guns taken as much as any middle right wing does, only mid left likes it",
">\n\nGallup has 57% of Americans feeling that in general gun laws should be more strict.",
">\n\nRegular people want kids to stop dying while in school. The problem is \"stricter laws\" is vague and no one can agree on what it means or give a serious proposal that would work, short of confiscation and bans, which are wildly unpopular.",
">\n\nVague political talking points is the best we’re going to get. Much as I’d love a Ross Perot style of breaking down every platform and promise, the general public doesn’t go for it. Buzz words are all we have the attention span for.",
">\n\nChina's COVID-19 surge raises odds of new coronavirus variants\nThings could get very ugly.",
">\n\nYou say this like covid hasn't been spreading rampantly through literally every country on the planet, mostly without any measures to stop the spread. Why does China get a different treatment and maybe countries should require tests from the US or Inida or Europe?",
">\n\nI agree. US was primarily the culprit of why COVID went rampant to begin with. We actively refused to enforce any sort of safety measures, just a mild suggestion of \"maybe wear a mask, if you want to, it's ok if you don't\" and \"we have vaccines if you want one, no pressure tho\". That was really our response to the world's deadliest pandemic.",
">\n\nWe actively made fun of zero covid approaches on reddit and now based on the comments on this thread we are suddenly pro “zero covid” approaches",
">\n\nEveryone finally watched contagion",
">\n\nSo far my 2023 bingo card is reading alooot of skull and crossbones, I think I might actually win at something next year, what does your score card look like?",
">\n\nWhen’s that $1200 going to hit my account?",
">\n\nI’m still living off mine from last time!",
">\n\nI’m still looking for mine",
">\n\nI’m waiting for that $600 bucks from Biden still, but that’s going right into my retirement!",
">\n\nYou dont get he meant to include any money you already received as well /s"
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Yep they explicitly mentioned $2,000 checks.
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"People from China will travel through Europe and come in to America from the east coast like they did when the pandemic started. This will do nothing if all travelers aboard aren’t made to test.",
">\n\nLet's hope EU and other countries do the same.",
">\n\nI don't know if they will. Australia (for example) had some of the toughest Covid policies and they've essentially just thrown them all out the window.\nSo I don't know how willing countries are to go back to being overly concerned about Covid.",
">\n\nThey should be concerned w chinese, it's spreading like wildfire in china. If we aren't careful, they will come out w covid 20.",
">\n\nIt’s spreading everywhere including the USA. This policy has nothing to do with science or medicine. It’s just politics.",
">\n\nNo. It’s circulating like mad in a population of 1 billion people who haven’t been exposed before. This is how new variants come about. Every country should require negative Covid test for china at least until it cycles through the population",
">\n\n\nNo. It’s circulating like mad in a population of 1 billion people who haven’t been exposed before.\n\nIt's also spreading like mad in all the countries of the world including the USA.\n\nThis is how new variants come about. \n\nAnd they have been for years now.\n\nEvery country should require negative Covid test for china at least until it cycles through the population\n\nOnly for political reasons. There is no scientific or rational demand for this. \nI get it, you hate china, most americans hate china so just be honest and say what you really mean.",
">\n\nStrains are spreading in the west yes, but there are new strains in China that are spreading and we don't know if our vaccines will work with those strains. We know the Chinese vaccines have a low efficacy rate and we know they are not mRNA vaccines which allow for easier adaptation to new strains. Making travelers with a Chinese passport take Covid tests at any and all airports is not racist or even unfair - a reminder that China has been relatively hard to travel to for the last 2 years because they were locked down to foreign travel as well. This is simply good policy from a public health measure, and you not wanting to see that for what it is and instead attribute it to a nascent American hatred for China is laughable. the World Health Organization estimated close to 800 million new cases in China in the next few months, with another estimate 4 million deaths and countless new strains coming out during that period. This is about protection populations, not punishing China.",
">\n\n\nStrains are spreading in the west yes, but there are new strains in China that are spreading and we don't know if our vaccines will work with those strains.\n\nYou don't know if vaccines work against any new variant even if that variant is from a country populated with white people.\n\nWe know the Chinese vaccines have a low efficacy rate and we know they are not mRNA vaccines which allow for easier adaptation to new strains. \n\nThe vaccine doesn't adapt once inside of your body you know that right?\n\nMaking travelers with a Chinese passport take Covid tests at any and all airports is not racist or even unfair \n\nit's definitely unfair and probably racist as well.\n\nhis is simply good policy from a public health measure, a\n\nA good policy would be to require vaccinations from everybody. Think about it, you are requiring a vaccine that you said doesn't even work. How much sense does that make?\n\nattribute it to a nascent American hatred for China is laughable.\n\nNascent?\n\nThis is about protection populations, not punishing China.\n\nIt's definitely about punishing china, it's a part of the current cold war with China conducted by the USA.",
">\n\n\nYou don't know if vaccines work against any new variant even if that variant is from a country populated with white people.\n\nAll the more reason to not invite more new strains into the country. White population or otherwise has nothing to do with it, expected rise in cases in China does.\n\nThe vaccine doesn't adapt once inside of your body you know that right?\n\nYou missed the point. The point i was making was that the Chinese medical system has not even approached Covid with an mRNA vaccine, and steadfastly refused to license western vaccines. If the vaccine most readily available in China has a 50% efficacy then the population is at more risk of contracting the virus and having negative results. The infection rates are increased with each new case of BA.7 (China is currently seeing each covid patient infecting on average 18 other people represented as 1:18, whereas the in US the rate is 1:3.9). Each of these factors increases the risk of developing new strains that are vaccine resistant. \n\nit's definitely unfair and probably racist as well\n\nIs it your position that nations cannot take any prescriptive action to prevent the spread of infected persons from other countries? Again i would remind you that China has basically been locked down for the last 2 years, with severe limitations to personal freedoms themselves. This is not based on race, but rather a government's inability to contain a contagious outbreak in their own country and not wanting it to spread. \n\nA good policy would be to require vaccinations from everybody. Think about it, you are requiring a vaccine that you said doesn't even work. How much sense does that make?\n\nThat might be your definition on good policy, but it isn't mine and that isn't how the west does it. \"I\" am not requiring a vaccine that \"I\" said doesn't work - that was your suggestion not mine. Also, i said the efficacy of the Chinese vaccine is 50% - based on available information - i never said it didn't work, and i never said that it should be mandatory or required.\n\nNascent?\n\nPoor and wrong word choice on my part it seems. What i meant was ascribing the US decision to require testing of Chinese travelers to racism because you believe that the US is racist is laughable. Taking a test to prove that you are covid negative is far less onerous on a traveler than most visa requirements.\n\nIt's definitely about punishing china, it's a part of the current cold war with China conducted by the USA.\n\nCite your sources. I could point to many Chinese government policies that i could say are part of the current cold war with the US without backing it up and it would be just as credible as what you said. Opinion is not a source, and not proof. You assume that the US government is racist, that this policy is racist and yet we have had travel bans imposed on other countries, as well as testing required for travelers from other countries imposed before, and other policies and so has China. For goodness sake China has been closed to foreigners for almost 3 years, and is still closed to foreign travel until January 2023. Is that a racist policy as well?",
">\n\nHere we go again.\nThis time I think I'll learn French cooking.",
">\n\n5000 People a day will have to die before Anybody says the word Lock down in the States ever again.",
">\n\nDon’t understand why people can’t handle staying at home for two weeks when it could potentially eradicate a deadly virus. Are we that weak?",
">\n\nWe did that in large part in March 2020. And did China not spend years locking down their citizens? \nPeoples savings are gone. They need to work. \nWearing a mask would do a lot to help the issue but people aren’t willing to do that anymore.",
">\n\nWe didn't do that though. We didn't all lock down when we were supposed to. Where I work I had to go in from the very start all the way through. Most people, the majority of people, didn't stay home even if they didn't have work. Most people didn't fuck with masks or keeping a distance, and even people who weren't antivaccers didn't take the vaccine seriously for the longest time. \nWe had no fucking lock down, unless you were a well-off celebrity or comedian who wanted to talk about being locked down for content. \nIf people legit locked down, they would have taken a small hit financially, but too many people didn't do shit and prolonged everything.",
">\n\nThe things is that it doesn't take long to drain peoples saving - becuase the overwhelming majority of people have practically none. \nSo an extended lockdown was never feasible unless the government was willing to pay several trillion dollars of expenses, not just 2 or 3 times but several times over.",
">\n\nI didn't dispute any of what you said. I pointed out that most people actively contested any safety measure and most people didn't actually lock down. Any extension will almost certainly be the fault of most of those people. \nI'd gladly let them all die if it meant the few people who did take things seriously didn't have to live through a Walking Dead scenario or have to take a huge financial hit because them.",
">\n\nMost people did lock down just fine initially. After a few weeks turned into a month or more, yeah people got testy.\nAdditionally, a gigantic amount of people work in critical industries and simply cant stay home. Just keeping the lights and water on requires tens of millions of workers, plus industries like plants and refineries that simply cannot shut down without massive long-term consequences.\nReddit is full of office people who can WFH, the vast majority of people cant.",
">\n\nI was one of those who couldn't stay home. Right out of the gate most people gave up on almost all of it except when they were making a show of complying when they had to. There was a lot of cheating. I walk through a lot of different areas. The waves of patients and bodies we got at work tracked with that and became predictable.",
">\n\nWhat’s that saying that ends with ”…doomed to repeat it?”",
">\n\nWhy not just require a negative test from everyone?",
">\n\nWho would you expect to pay for that?",
">\n\nGovernments or sponsors from the private sector ideally, I honestly don’t give a fuck. I’ve gotten many free tests from both and I’ve also bought some for like $8.",
">\n\n“Here we go again” from everyone in the comments. \nThe virus never stopped, we did.",
">\n\nVirus will always be there. Permanent restrictions are unsustainable",
">\n\n3 years later...\nIs this permanent?",
">\n\nI doubt there's anything that would make Republicans running in 2024 happier then Democrats advocating for a return to COVID restrictions.",
">\n\nRight? It’d be like the democrats fighting for gun control, or gay and trans rights, or safe and legal abortions. It would be political suicide to stand for something that Republicans don’t like!",
">\n\nMy understanding is that everything you listed is broadly popular or has at least a majority of American's in favor of it. A return to COVID restrictions is not in that category.",
">\n\nGun control isn’t even universally loved amongst the American left, as the hard left needs them for protection from the hard right they clash with, and the middle left does like having their guns taken as much as any middle right wing does, only mid left likes it",
">\n\nGallup has 57% of Americans feeling that in general gun laws should be more strict.",
">\n\nRegular people want kids to stop dying while in school. The problem is \"stricter laws\" is vague and no one can agree on what it means or give a serious proposal that would work, short of confiscation and bans, which are wildly unpopular.",
">\n\nVague political talking points is the best we’re going to get. Much as I’d love a Ross Perot style of breaking down every platform and promise, the general public doesn’t go for it. Buzz words are all we have the attention span for.",
">\n\nChina's COVID-19 surge raises odds of new coronavirus variants\nThings could get very ugly.",
">\n\nYou say this like covid hasn't been spreading rampantly through literally every country on the planet, mostly without any measures to stop the spread. Why does China get a different treatment and maybe countries should require tests from the US or Inida or Europe?",
">\n\nI agree. US was primarily the culprit of why COVID went rampant to begin with. We actively refused to enforce any sort of safety measures, just a mild suggestion of \"maybe wear a mask, if you want to, it's ok if you don't\" and \"we have vaccines if you want one, no pressure tho\". That was really our response to the world's deadliest pandemic.",
">\n\nWe actively made fun of zero covid approaches on reddit and now based on the comments on this thread we are suddenly pro “zero covid” approaches",
">\n\nEveryone finally watched contagion",
">\n\nSo far my 2023 bingo card is reading alooot of skull and crossbones, I think I might actually win at something next year, what does your score card look like?",
">\n\nWhen’s that $1200 going to hit my account?",
">\n\nI’m still living off mine from last time!",
">\n\nI’m still looking for mine",
">\n\nI’m waiting for that $600 bucks from Biden still, but that’s going right into my retirement!",
">\n\nYou dont get he meant to include any money you already received as well /s",
">\n\nI seem to remember campaign ads with $2000 checks."
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My comment was sarcasm but in retrospect there are so many neoliberals saying that word for word in all seriousness that I should and will add a sarcasm tag
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"People from China will travel through Europe and come in to America from the east coast like they did when the pandemic started. This will do nothing if all travelers aboard aren’t made to test.",
">\n\nLet's hope EU and other countries do the same.",
">\n\nI don't know if they will. Australia (for example) had some of the toughest Covid policies and they've essentially just thrown them all out the window.\nSo I don't know how willing countries are to go back to being overly concerned about Covid.",
">\n\nThey should be concerned w chinese, it's spreading like wildfire in china. If we aren't careful, they will come out w covid 20.",
">\n\nIt’s spreading everywhere including the USA. This policy has nothing to do with science or medicine. It’s just politics.",
">\n\nNo. It’s circulating like mad in a population of 1 billion people who haven’t been exposed before. This is how new variants come about. Every country should require negative Covid test for china at least until it cycles through the population",
">\n\n\nNo. It’s circulating like mad in a population of 1 billion people who haven’t been exposed before.\n\nIt's also spreading like mad in all the countries of the world including the USA.\n\nThis is how new variants come about. \n\nAnd they have been for years now.\n\nEvery country should require negative Covid test for china at least until it cycles through the population\n\nOnly for political reasons. There is no scientific or rational demand for this. \nI get it, you hate china, most americans hate china so just be honest and say what you really mean.",
">\n\nStrains are spreading in the west yes, but there are new strains in China that are spreading and we don't know if our vaccines will work with those strains. We know the Chinese vaccines have a low efficacy rate and we know they are not mRNA vaccines which allow for easier adaptation to new strains. Making travelers with a Chinese passport take Covid tests at any and all airports is not racist or even unfair - a reminder that China has been relatively hard to travel to for the last 2 years because they were locked down to foreign travel as well. This is simply good policy from a public health measure, and you not wanting to see that for what it is and instead attribute it to a nascent American hatred for China is laughable. the World Health Organization estimated close to 800 million new cases in China in the next few months, with another estimate 4 million deaths and countless new strains coming out during that period. This is about protection populations, not punishing China.",
">\n\n\nStrains are spreading in the west yes, but there are new strains in China that are spreading and we don't know if our vaccines will work with those strains.\n\nYou don't know if vaccines work against any new variant even if that variant is from a country populated with white people.\n\nWe know the Chinese vaccines have a low efficacy rate and we know they are not mRNA vaccines which allow for easier adaptation to new strains. \n\nThe vaccine doesn't adapt once inside of your body you know that right?\n\nMaking travelers with a Chinese passport take Covid tests at any and all airports is not racist or even unfair \n\nit's definitely unfair and probably racist as well.\n\nhis is simply good policy from a public health measure, a\n\nA good policy would be to require vaccinations from everybody. Think about it, you are requiring a vaccine that you said doesn't even work. How much sense does that make?\n\nattribute it to a nascent American hatred for China is laughable.\n\nNascent?\n\nThis is about protection populations, not punishing China.\n\nIt's definitely about punishing china, it's a part of the current cold war with China conducted by the USA.",
">\n\n\nYou don't know if vaccines work against any new variant even if that variant is from a country populated with white people.\n\nAll the more reason to not invite more new strains into the country. White population or otherwise has nothing to do with it, expected rise in cases in China does.\n\nThe vaccine doesn't adapt once inside of your body you know that right?\n\nYou missed the point. The point i was making was that the Chinese medical system has not even approached Covid with an mRNA vaccine, and steadfastly refused to license western vaccines. If the vaccine most readily available in China has a 50% efficacy then the population is at more risk of contracting the virus and having negative results. The infection rates are increased with each new case of BA.7 (China is currently seeing each covid patient infecting on average 18 other people represented as 1:18, whereas the in US the rate is 1:3.9). Each of these factors increases the risk of developing new strains that are vaccine resistant. \n\nit's definitely unfair and probably racist as well\n\nIs it your position that nations cannot take any prescriptive action to prevent the spread of infected persons from other countries? Again i would remind you that China has basically been locked down for the last 2 years, with severe limitations to personal freedoms themselves. This is not based on race, but rather a government's inability to contain a contagious outbreak in their own country and not wanting it to spread. \n\nA good policy would be to require vaccinations from everybody. Think about it, you are requiring a vaccine that you said doesn't even work. How much sense does that make?\n\nThat might be your definition on good policy, but it isn't mine and that isn't how the west does it. \"I\" am not requiring a vaccine that \"I\" said doesn't work - that was your suggestion not mine. Also, i said the efficacy of the Chinese vaccine is 50% - based on available information - i never said it didn't work, and i never said that it should be mandatory or required.\n\nNascent?\n\nPoor and wrong word choice on my part it seems. What i meant was ascribing the US decision to require testing of Chinese travelers to racism because you believe that the US is racist is laughable. Taking a test to prove that you are covid negative is far less onerous on a traveler than most visa requirements.\n\nIt's definitely about punishing china, it's a part of the current cold war with China conducted by the USA.\n\nCite your sources. I could point to many Chinese government policies that i could say are part of the current cold war with the US without backing it up and it would be just as credible as what you said. Opinion is not a source, and not proof. You assume that the US government is racist, that this policy is racist and yet we have had travel bans imposed on other countries, as well as testing required for travelers from other countries imposed before, and other policies and so has China. For goodness sake China has been closed to foreigners for almost 3 years, and is still closed to foreign travel until January 2023. Is that a racist policy as well?",
">\n\nHere we go again.\nThis time I think I'll learn French cooking.",
">\n\n5000 People a day will have to die before Anybody says the word Lock down in the States ever again.",
">\n\nDon’t understand why people can’t handle staying at home for two weeks when it could potentially eradicate a deadly virus. Are we that weak?",
">\n\nWe did that in large part in March 2020. And did China not spend years locking down their citizens? \nPeoples savings are gone. They need to work. \nWearing a mask would do a lot to help the issue but people aren’t willing to do that anymore.",
">\n\nWe didn't do that though. We didn't all lock down when we were supposed to. Where I work I had to go in from the very start all the way through. Most people, the majority of people, didn't stay home even if they didn't have work. Most people didn't fuck with masks or keeping a distance, and even people who weren't antivaccers didn't take the vaccine seriously for the longest time. \nWe had no fucking lock down, unless you were a well-off celebrity or comedian who wanted to talk about being locked down for content. \nIf people legit locked down, they would have taken a small hit financially, but too many people didn't do shit and prolonged everything.",
">\n\nThe things is that it doesn't take long to drain peoples saving - becuase the overwhelming majority of people have practically none. \nSo an extended lockdown was never feasible unless the government was willing to pay several trillion dollars of expenses, not just 2 or 3 times but several times over.",
">\n\nI didn't dispute any of what you said. I pointed out that most people actively contested any safety measure and most people didn't actually lock down. Any extension will almost certainly be the fault of most of those people. \nI'd gladly let them all die if it meant the few people who did take things seriously didn't have to live through a Walking Dead scenario or have to take a huge financial hit because them.",
">\n\nMost people did lock down just fine initially. After a few weeks turned into a month or more, yeah people got testy.\nAdditionally, a gigantic amount of people work in critical industries and simply cant stay home. Just keeping the lights and water on requires tens of millions of workers, plus industries like plants and refineries that simply cannot shut down without massive long-term consequences.\nReddit is full of office people who can WFH, the vast majority of people cant.",
">\n\nI was one of those who couldn't stay home. Right out of the gate most people gave up on almost all of it except when they were making a show of complying when they had to. There was a lot of cheating. I walk through a lot of different areas. The waves of patients and bodies we got at work tracked with that and became predictable.",
">\n\nWhat’s that saying that ends with ”…doomed to repeat it?”",
">\n\nWhy not just require a negative test from everyone?",
">\n\nWho would you expect to pay for that?",
">\n\nGovernments or sponsors from the private sector ideally, I honestly don’t give a fuck. I’ve gotten many free tests from both and I’ve also bought some for like $8.",
">\n\n“Here we go again” from everyone in the comments. \nThe virus never stopped, we did.",
">\n\nVirus will always be there. Permanent restrictions are unsustainable",
">\n\n3 years later...\nIs this permanent?",
">\n\nI doubt there's anything that would make Republicans running in 2024 happier then Democrats advocating for a return to COVID restrictions.",
">\n\nRight? It’d be like the democrats fighting for gun control, or gay and trans rights, or safe and legal abortions. It would be political suicide to stand for something that Republicans don’t like!",
">\n\nMy understanding is that everything you listed is broadly popular or has at least a majority of American's in favor of it. A return to COVID restrictions is not in that category.",
">\n\nGun control isn’t even universally loved amongst the American left, as the hard left needs them for protection from the hard right they clash with, and the middle left does like having their guns taken as much as any middle right wing does, only mid left likes it",
">\n\nGallup has 57% of Americans feeling that in general gun laws should be more strict.",
">\n\nRegular people want kids to stop dying while in school. The problem is \"stricter laws\" is vague and no one can agree on what it means or give a serious proposal that would work, short of confiscation and bans, which are wildly unpopular.",
">\n\nVague political talking points is the best we’re going to get. Much as I’d love a Ross Perot style of breaking down every platform and promise, the general public doesn’t go for it. Buzz words are all we have the attention span for.",
">\n\nChina's COVID-19 surge raises odds of new coronavirus variants\nThings could get very ugly.",
">\n\nYou say this like covid hasn't been spreading rampantly through literally every country on the planet, mostly without any measures to stop the spread. Why does China get a different treatment and maybe countries should require tests from the US or Inida or Europe?",
">\n\nI agree. US was primarily the culprit of why COVID went rampant to begin with. We actively refused to enforce any sort of safety measures, just a mild suggestion of \"maybe wear a mask, if you want to, it's ok if you don't\" and \"we have vaccines if you want one, no pressure tho\". That was really our response to the world's deadliest pandemic.",
">\n\nWe actively made fun of zero covid approaches on reddit and now based on the comments on this thread we are suddenly pro “zero covid” approaches",
">\n\nEveryone finally watched contagion",
">\n\nSo far my 2023 bingo card is reading alooot of skull and crossbones, I think I might actually win at something next year, what does your score card look like?",
">\n\nWhen’s that $1200 going to hit my account?",
">\n\nI’m still living off mine from last time!",
">\n\nI’m still looking for mine",
">\n\nI’m waiting for that $600 bucks from Biden still, but that’s going right into my retirement!",
">\n\nYou dont get he meant to include any money you already received as well /s",
">\n\nI seem to remember campaign ads with $2000 checks.",
">\n\nYep they explicitly mentioned $2,000 checks."
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That's nice and all, but let's not act like we're not just ignoring our own COVID problems.
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"People from China will travel through Europe and come in to America from the east coast like they did when the pandemic started. This will do nothing if all travelers aboard aren’t made to test.",
">\n\nLet's hope EU and other countries do the same.",
">\n\nI don't know if they will. Australia (for example) had some of the toughest Covid policies and they've essentially just thrown them all out the window.\nSo I don't know how willing countries are to go back to being overly concerned about Covid.",
">\n\nThey should be concerned w chinese, it's spreading like wildfire in china. If we aren't careful, they will come out w covid 20.",
">\n\nIt’s spreading everywhere including the USA. This policy has nothing to do with science or medicine. It’s just politics.",
">\n\nNo. It’s circulating like mad in a population of 1 billion people who haven’t been exposed before. This is how new variants come about. Every country should require negative Covid test for china at least until it cycles through the population",
">\n\n\nNo. It’s circulating like mad in a population of 1 billion people who haven’t been exposed before.\n\nIt's also spreading like mad in all the countries of the world including the USA.\n\nThis is how new variants come about. \n\nAnd they have been for years now.\n\nEvery country should require negative Covid test for china at least until it cycles through the population\n\nOnly for political reasons. There is no scientific or rational demand for this. \nI get it, you hate china, most americans hate china so just be honest and say what you really mean.",
">\n\nStrains are spreading in the west yes, but there are new strains in China that are spreading and we don't know if our vaccines will work with those strains. We know the Chinese vaccines have a low efficacy rate and we know they are not mRNA vaccines which allow for easier adaptation to new strains. Making travelers with a Chinese passport take Covid tests at any and all airports is not racist or even unfair - a reminder that China has been relatively hard to travel to for the last 2 years because they were locked down to foreign travel as well. This is simply good policy from a public health measure, and you not wanting to see that for what it is and instead attribute it to a nascent American hatred for China is laughable. the World Health Organization estimated close to 800 million new cases in China in the next few months, with another estimate 4 million deaths and countless new strains coming out during that period. This is about protection populations, not punishing China.",
">\n\n\nStrains are spreading in the west yes, but there are new strains in China that are spreading and we don't know if our vaccines will work with those strains.\n\nYou don't know if vaccines work against any new variant even if that variant is from a country populated with white people.\n\nWe know the Chinese vaccines have a low efficacy rate and we know they are not mRNA vaccines which allow for easier adaptation to new strains. \n\nThe vaccine doesn't adapt once inside of your body you know that right?\n\nMaking travelers with a Chinese passport take Covid tests at any and all airports is not racist or even unfair \n\nit's definitely unfair and probably racist as well.\n\nhis is simply good policy from a public health measure, a\n\nA good policy would be to require vaccinations from everybody. Think about it, you are requiring a vaccine that you said doesn't even work. How much sense does that make?\n\nattribute it to a nascent American hatred for China is laughable.\n\nNascent?\n\nThis is about protection populations, not punishing China.\n\nIt's definitely about punishing china, it's a part of the current cold war with China conducted by the USA.",
">\n\n\nYou don't know if vaccines work against any new variant even if that variant is from a country populated with white people.\n\nAll the more reason to not invite more new strains into the country. White population or otherwise has nothing to do with it, expected rise in cases in China does.\n\nThe vaccine doesn't adapt once inside of your body you know that right?\n\nYou missed the point. The point i was making was that the Chinese medical system has not even approached Covid with an mRNA vaccine, and steadfastly refused to license western vaccines. If the vaccine most readily available in China has a 50% efficacy then the population is at more risk of contracting the virus and having negative results. The infection rates are increased with each new case of BA.7 (China is currently seeing each covid patient infecting on average 18 other people represented as 1:18, whereas the in US the rate is 1:3.9). Each of these factors increases the risk of developing new strains that are vaccine resistant. \n\nit's definitely unfair and probably racist as well\n\nIs it your position that nations cannot take any prescriptive action to prevent the spread of infected persons from other countries? Again i would remind you that China has basically been locked down for the last 2 years, with severe limitations to personal freedoms themselves. This is not based on race, but rather a government's inability to contain a contagious outbreak in their own country and not wanting it to spread. \n\nA good policy would be to require vaccinations from everybody. Think about it, you are requiring a vaccine that you said doesn't even work. How much sense does that make?\n\nThat might be your definition on good policy, but it isn't mine and that isn't how the west does it. \"I\" am not requiring a vaccine that \"I\" said doesn't work - that was your suggestion not mine. Also, i said the efficacy of the Chinese vaccine is 50% - based on available information - i never said it didn't work, and i never said that it should be mandatory or required.\n\nNascent?\n\nPoor and wrong word choice on my part it seems. What i meant was ascribing the US decision to require testing of Chinese travelers to racism because you believe that the US is racist is laughable. Taking a test to prove that you are covid negative is far less onerous on a traveler than most visa requirements.\n\nIt's definitely about punishing china, it's a part of the current cold war with China conducted by the USA.\n\nCite your sources. I could point to many Chinese government policies that i could say are part of the current cold war with the US without backing it up and it would be just as credible as what you said. Opinion is not a source, and not proof. You assume that the US government is racist, that this policy is racist and yet we have had travel bans imposed on other countries, as well as testing required for travelers from other countries imposed before, and other policies and so has China. For goodness sake China has been closed to foreigners for almost 3 years, and is still closed to foreign travel until January 2023. Is that a racist policy as well?",
">\n\nHere we go again.\nThis time I think I'll learn French cooking.",
">\n\n5000 People a day will have to die before Anybody says the word Lock down in the States ever again.",
">\n\nDon’t understand why people can’t handle staying at home for two weeks when it could potentially eradicate a deadly virus. Are we that weak?",
">\n\nWe did that in large part in March 2020. And did China not spend years locking down their citizens? \nPeoples savings are gone. They need to work. \nWearing a mask would do a lot to help the issue but people aren’t willing to do that anymore.",
">\n\nWe didn't do that though. We didn't all lock down when we were supposed to. Where I work I had to go in from the very start all the way through. Most people, the majority of people, didn't stay home even if they didn't have work. Most people didn't fuck with masks or keeping a distance, and even people who weren't antivaccers didn't take the vaccine seriously for the longest time. \nWe had no fucking lock down, unless you were a well-off celebrity or comedian who wanted to talk about being locked down for content. \nIf people legit locked down, they would have taken a small hit financially, but too many people didn't do shit and prolonged everything.",
">\n\nThe things is that it doesn't take long to drain peoples saving - becuase the overwhelming majority of people have practically none. \nSo an extended lockdown was never feasible unless the government was willing to pay several trillion dollars of expenses, not just 2 or 3 times but several times over.",
">\n\nI didn't dispute any of what you said. I pointed out that most people actively contested any safety measure and most people didn't actually lock down. Any extension will almost certainly be the fault of most of those people. \nI'd gladly let them all die if it meant the few people who did take things seriously didn't have to live through a Walking Dead scenario or have to take a huge financial hit because them.",
">\n\nMost people did lock down just fine initially. After a few weeks turned into a month or more, yeah people got testy.\nAdditionally, a gigantic amount of people work in critical industries and simply cant stay home. Just keeping the lights and water on requires tens of millions of workers, plus industries like plants and refineries that simply cannot shut down without massive long-term consequences.\nReddit is full of office people who can WFH, the vast majority of people cant.",
">\n\nI was one of those who couldn't stay home. Right out of the gate most people gave up on almost all of it except when they were making a show of complying when they had to. There was a lot of cheating. I walk through a lot of different areas. The waves of patients and bodies we got at work tracked with that and became predictable.",
">\n\nWhat’s that saying that ends with ”…doomed to repeat it?”",
">\n\nWhy not just require a negative test from everyone?",
">\n\nWho would you expect to pay for that?",
">\n\nGovernments or sponsors from the private sector ideally, I honestly don’t give a fuck. I’ve gotten many free tests from both and I’ve also bought some for like $8.",
">\n\n“Here we go again” from everyone in the comments. \nThe virus never stopped, we did.",
">\n\nVirus will always be there. Permanent restrictions are unsustainable",
">\n\n3 years later...\nIs this permanent?",
">\n\nI doubt there's anything that would make Republicans running in 2024 happier then Democrats advocating for a return to COVID restrictions.",
">\n\nRight? It’d be like the democrats fighting for gun control, or gay and trans rights, or safe and legal abortions. It would be political suicide to stand for something that Republicans don’t like!",
">\n\nMy understanding is that everything you listed is broadly popular or has at least a majority of American's in favor of it. A return to COVID restrictions is not in that category.",
">\n\nGun control isn’t even universally loved amongst the American left, as the hard left needs them for protection from the hard right they clash with, and the middle left does like having their guns taken as much as any middle right wing does, only mid left likes it",
">\n\nGallup has 57% of Americans feeling that in general gun laws should be more strict.",
">\n\nRegular people want kids to stop dying while in school. The problem is \"stricter laws\" is vague and no one can agree on what it means or give a serious proposal that would work, short of confiscation and bans, which are wildly unpopular.",
">\n\nVague political talking points is the best we’re going to get. Much as I’d love a Ross Perot style of breaking down every platform and promise, the general public doesn’t go for it. Buzz words are all we have the attention span for.",
">\n\nChina's COVID-19 surge raises odds of new coronavirus variants\nThings could get very ugly.",
">\n\nYou say this like covid hasn't been spreading rampantly through literally every country on the planet, mostly without any measures to stop the spread. Why does China get a different treatment and maybe countries should require tests from the US or Inida or Europe?",
">\n\nI agree. US was primarily the culprit of why COVID went rampant to begin with. We actively refused to enforce any sort of safety measures, just a mild suggestion of \"maybe wear a mask, if you want to, it's ok if you don't\" and \"we have vaccines if you want one, no pressure tho\". That was really our response to the world's deadliest pandemic.",
">\n\nWe actively made fun of zero covid approaches on reddit and now based on the comments on this thread we are suddenly pro “zero covid” approaches",
">\n\nEveryone finally watched contagion",
">\n\nSo far my 2023 bingo card is reading alooot of skull and crossbones, I think I might actually win at something next year, what does your score card look like?",
">\n\nWhen’s that $1200 going to hit my account?",
">\n\nI’m still living off mine from last time!",
">\n\nI’m still looking for mine",
">\n\nI’m waiting for that $600 bucks from Biden still, but that’s going right into my retirement!",
">\n\nYou dont get he meant to include any money you already received as well /s",
">\n\nI seem to remember campaign ads with $2000 checks.",
">\n\nYep they explicitly mentioned $2,000 checks.",
">\n\nMy comment was sarcasm but in retrospect there are so many neoliberals saying that word for word in all seriousness that I should and will add a sarcasm tag"
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"You don't have zero tolerance anymore? We can't tolerate that."
- Country with 100% tolerance
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"People from China will travel through Europe and come in to America from the east coast like they did when the pandemic started. This will do nothing if all travelers aboard aren’t made to test.",
">\n\nLet's hope EU and other countries do the same.",
">\n\nI don't know if they will. Australia (for example) had some of the toughest Covid policies and they've essentially just thrown them all out the window.\nSo I don't know how willing countries are to go back to being overly concerned about Covid.",
">\n\nThey should be concerned w chinese, it's spreading like wildfire in china. If we aren't careful, they will come out w covid 20.",
">\n\nIt’s spreading everywhere including the USA. This policy has nothing to do with science or medicine. It’s just politics.",
">\n\nNo. It’s circulating like mad in a population of 1 billion people who haven’t been exposed before. This is how new variants come about. Every country should require negative Covid test for china at least until it cycles through the population",
">\n\n\nNo. It’s circulating like mad in a population of 1 billion people who haven’t been exposed before.\n\nIt's also spreading like mad in all the countries of the world including the USA.\n\nThis is how new variants come about. \n\nAnd they have been for years now.\n\nEvery country should require negative Covid test for china at least until it cycles through the population\n\nOnly for political reasons. There is no scientific or rational demand for this. \nI get it, you hate china, most americans hate china so just be honest and say what you really mean.",
">\n\nStrains are spreading in the west yes, but there are new strains in China that are spreading and we don't know if our vaccines will work with those strains. We know the Chinese vaccines have a low efficacy rate and we know they are not mRNA vaccines which allow for easier adaptation to new strains. Making travelers with a Chinese passport take Covid tests at any and all airports is not racist or even unfair - a reminder that China has been relatively hard to travel to for the last 2 years because they were locked down to foreign travel as well. This is simply good policy from a public health measure, and you not wanting to see that for what it is and instead attribute it to a nascent American hatred for China is laughable. the World Health Organization estimated close to 800 million new cases in China in the next few months, with another estimate 4 million deaths and countless new strains coming out during that period. This is about protection populations, not punishing China.",
">\n\n\nStrains are spreading in the west yes, but there are new strains in China that are spreading and we don't know if our vaccines will work with those strains.\n\nYou don't know if vaccines work against any new variant even if that variant is from a country populated with white people.\n\nWe know the Chinese vaccines have a low efficacy rate and we know they are not mRNA vaccines which allow for easier adaptation to new strains. \n\nThe vaccine doesn't adapt once inside of your body you know that right?\n\nMaking travelers with a Chinese passport take Covid tests at any and all airports is not racist or even unfair \n\nit's definitely unfair and probably racist as well.\n\nhis is simply good policy from a public health measure, a\n\nA good policy would be to require vaccinations from everybody. Think about it, you are requiring a vaccine that you said doesn't even work. How much sense does that make?\n\nattribute it to a nascent American hatred for China is laughable.\n\nNascent?\n\nThis is about protection populations, not punishing China.\n\nIt's definitely about punishing china, it's a part of the current cold war with China conducted by the USA.",
">\n\n\nYou don't know if vaccines work against any new variant even if that variant is from a country populated with white people.\n\nAll the more reason to not invite more new strains into the country. White population or otherwise has nothing to do with it, expected rise in cases in China does.\n\nThe vaccine doesn't adapt once inside of your body you know that right?\n\nYou missed the point. The point i was making was that the Chinese medical system has not even approached Covid with an mRNA vaccine, and steadfastly refused to license western vaccines. If the vaccine most readily available in China has a 50% efficacy then the population is at more risk of contracting the virus and having negative results. The infection rates are increased with each new case of BA.7 (China is currently seeing each covid patient infecting on average 18 other people represented as 1:18, whereas the in US the rate is 1:3.9). Each of these factors increases the risk of developing new strains that are vaccine resistant. \n\nit's definitely unfair and probably racist as well\n\nIs it your position that nations cannot take any prescriptive action to prevent the spread of infected persons from other countries? Again i would remind you that China has basically been locked down for the last 2 years, with severe limitations to personal freedoms themselves. This is not based on race, but rather a government's inability to contain a contagious outbreak in their own country and not wanting it to spread. \n\nA good policy would be to require vaccinations from everybody. Think about it, you are requiring a vaccine that you said doesn't even work. How much sense does that make?\n\nThat might be your definition on good policy, but it isn't mine and that isn't how the west does it. \"I\" am not requiring a vaccine that \"I\" said doesn't work - that was your suggestion not mine. Also, i said the efficacy of the Chinese vaccine is 50% - based on available information - i never said it didn't work, and i never said that it should be mandatory or required.\n\nNascent?\n\nPoor and wrong word choice on my part it seems. What i meant was ascribing the US decision to require testing of Chinese travelers to racism because you believe that the US is racist is laughable. Taking a test to prove that you are covid negative is far less onerous on a traveler than most visa requirements.\n\nIt's definitely about punishing china, it's a part of the current cold war with China conducted by the USA.\n\nCite your sources. I could point to many Chinese government policies that i could say are part of the current cold war with the US without backing it up and it would be just as credible as what you said. Opinion is not a source, and not proof. You assume that the US government is racist, that this policy is racist and yet we have had travel bans imposed on other countries, as well as testing required for travelers from other countries imposed before, and other policies and so has China. For goodness sake China has been closed to foreigners for almost 3 years, and is still closed to foreign travel until January 2023. Is that a racist policy as well?",
">\n\nHere we go again.\nThis time I think I'll learn French cooking.",
">\n\n5000 People a day will have to die before Anybody says the word Lock down in the States ever again.",
">\n\nDon’t understand why people can’t handle staying at home for two weeks when it could potentially eradicate a deadly virus. Are we that weak?",
">\n\nWe did that in large part in March 2020. And did China not spend years locking down their citizens? \nPeoples savings are gone. They need to work. \nWearing a mask would do a lot to help the issue but people aren’t willing to do that anymore.",
">\n\nWe didn't do that though. We didn't all lock down when we were supposed to. Where I work I had to go in from the very start all the way through. Most people, the majority of people, didn't stay home even if they didn't have work. Most people didn't fuck with masks or keeping a distance, and even people who weren't antivaccers didn't take the vaccine seriously for the longest time. \nWe had no fucking lock down, unless you were a well-off celebrity or comedian who wanted to talk about being locked down for content. \nIf people legit locked down, they would have taken a small hit financially, but too many people didn't do shit and prolonged everything.",
">\n\nThe things is that it doesn't take long to drain peoples saving - becuase the overwhelming majority of people have practically none. \nSo an extended lockdown was never feasible unless the government was willing to pay several trillion dollars of expenses, not just 2 or 3 times but several times over.",
">\n\nI didn't dispute any of what you said. I pointed out that most people actively contested any safety measure and most people didn't actually lock down. Any extension will almost certainly be the fault of most of those people. \nI'd gladly let them all die if it meant the few people who did take things seriously didn't have to live through a Walking Dead scenario or have to take a huge financial hit because them.",
">\n\nMost people did lock down just fine initially. After a few weeks turned into a month or more, yeah people got testy.\nAdditionally, a gigantic amount of people work in critical industries and simply cant stay home. Just keeping the lights and water on requires tens of millions of workers, plus industries like plants and refineries that simply cannot shut down without massive long-term consequences.\nReddit is full of office people who can WFH, the vast majority of people cant.",
">\n\nI was one of those who couldn't stay home. Right out of the gate most people gave up on almost all of it except when they were making a show of complying when they had to. There was a lot of cheating. I walk through a lot of different areas. The waves of patients and bodies we got at work tracked with that and became predictable.",
">\n\nWhat’s that saying that ends with ”…doomed to repeat it?”",
">\n\nWhy not just require a negative test from everyone?",
">\n\nWho would you expect to pay for that?",
">\n\nGovernments or sponsors from the private sector ideally, I honestly don’t give a fuck. I’ve gotten many free tests from both and I’ve also bought some for like $8.",
">\n\n“Here we go again” from everyone in the comments. \nThe virus never stopped, we did.",
">\n\nVirus will always be there. Permanent restrictions are unsustainable",
">\n\n3 years later...\nIs this permanent?",
">\n\nI doubt there's anything that would make Republicans running in 2024 happier then Democrats advocating for a return to COVID restrictions.",
">\n\nRight? It’d be like the democrats fighting for gun control, or gay and trans rights, or safe and legal abortions. It would be political suicide to stand for something that Republicans don’t like!",
">\n\nMy understanding is that everything you listed is broadly popular or has at least a majority of American's in favor of it. A return to COVID restrictions is not in that category.",
">\n\nGun control isn’t even universally loved amongst the American left, as the hard left needs them for protection from the hard right they clash with, and the middle left does like having their guns taken as much as any middle right wing does, only mid left likes it",
">\n\nGallup has 57% of Americans feeling that in general gun laws should be more strict.",
">\n\nRegular people want kids to stop dying while in school. The problem is \"stricter laws\" is vague and no one can agree on what it means or give a serious proposal that would work, short of confiscation and bans, which are wildly unpopular.",
">\n\nVague political talking points is the best we’re going to get. Much as I’d love a Ross Perot style of breaking down every platform and promise, the general public doesn’t go for it. Buzz words are all we have the attention span for.",
">\n\nChina's COVID-19 surge raises odds of new coronavirus variants\nThings could get very ugly.",
">\n\nYou say this like covid hasn't been spreading rampantly through literally every country on the planet, mostly without any measures to stop the spread. Why does China get a different treatment and maybe countries should require tests from the US or Inida or Europe?",
">\n\nI agree. US was primarily the culprit of why COVID went rampant to begin with. We actively refused to enforce any sort of safety measures, just a mild suggestion of \"maybe wear a mask, if you want to, it's ok if you don't\" and \"we have vaccines if you want one, no pressure tho\". That was really our response to the world's deadliest pandemic.",
">\n\nWe actively made fun of zero covid approaches on reddit and now based on the comments on this thread we are suddenly pro “zero covid” approaches",
">\n\nEveryone finally watched contagion",
">\n\nSo far my 2023 bingo card is reading alooot of skull and crossbones, I think I might actually win at something next year, what does your score card look like?",
">\n\nWhen’s that $1200 going to hit my account?",
">\n\nI’m still living off mine from last time!",
">\n\nI’m still looking for mine",
">\n\nI’m waiting for that $600 bucks from Biden still, but that’s going right into my retirement!",
">\n\nYou dont get he meant to include any money you already received as well /s",
">\n\nI seem to remember campaign ads with $2000 checks.",
">\n\nYep they explicitly mentioned $2,000 checks.",
">\n\nMy comment was sarcasm but in retrospect there are so many neoliberals saying that word for word in all seriousness that I should and will add a sarcasm tag",
">\n\nThat's nice and all, but let's not act like we're not just ignoring our own COVID problems."
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Why not require a negative COVID test from everyone entering the country? It’s like they don’t want COVID to be under control.
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"People from China will travel through Europe and come in to America from the east coast like they did when the pandemic started. This will do nothing if all travelers aboard aren’t made to test.",
">\n\nLet's hope EU and other countries do the same.",
">\n\nI don't know if they will. Australia (for example) had some of the toughest Covid policies and they've essentially just thrown them all out the window.\nSo I don't know how willing countries are to go back to being overly concerned about Covid.",
">\n\nThey should be concerned w chinese, it's spreading like wildfire in china. If we aren't careful, they will come out w covid 20.",
">\n\nIt’s spreading everywhere including the USA. This policy has nothing to do with science or medicine. It’s just politics.",
">\n\nNo. It’s circulating like mad in a population of 1 billion people who haven’t been exposed before. This is how new variants come about. Every country should require negative Covid test for china at least until it cycles through the population",
">\n\n\nNo. It’s circulating like mad in a population of 1 billion people who haven’t been exposed before.\n\nIt's also spreading like mad in all the countries of the world including the USA.\n\nThis is how new variants come about. \n\nAnd they have been for years now.\n\nEvery country should require negative Covid test for china at least until it cycles through the population\n\nOnly for political reasons. There is no scientific or rational demand for this. \nI get it, you hate china, most americans hate china so just be honest and say what you really mean.",
">\n\nStrains are spreading in the west yes, but there are new strains in China that are spreading and we don't know if our vaccines will work with those strains. We know the Chinese vaccines have a low efficacy rate and we know they are not mRNA vaccines which allow for easier adaptation to new strains. Making travelers with a Chinese passport take Covid tests at any and all airports is not racist or even unfair - a reminder that China has been relatively hard to travel to for the last 2 years because they were locked down to foreign travel as well. This is simply good policy from a public health measure, and you not wanting to see that for what it is and instead attribute it to a nascent American hatred for China is laughable. the World Health Organization estimated close to 800 million new cases in China in the next few months, with another estimate 4 million deaths and countless new strains coming out during that period. This is about protection populations, not punishing China.",
">\n\n\nStrains are spreading in the west yes, but there are new strains in China that are spreading and we don't know if our vaccines will work with those strains.\n\nYou don't know if vaccines work against any new variant even if that variant is from a country populated with white people.\n\nWe know the Chinese vaccines have a low efficacy rate and we know they are not mRNA vaccines which allow for easier adaptation to new strains. \n\nThe vaccine doesn't adapt once inside of your body you know that right?\n\nMaking travelers with a Chinese passport take Covid tests at any and all airports is not racist or even unfair \n\nit's definitely unfair and probably racist as well.\n\nhis is simply good policy from a public health measure, a\n\nA good policy would be to require vaccinations from everybody. Think about it, you are requiring a vaccine that you said doesn't even work. How much sense does that make?\n\nattribute it to a nascent American hatred for China is laughable.\n\nNascent?\n\nThis is about protection populations, not punishing China.\n\nIt's definitely about punishing china, it's a part of the current cold war with China conducted by the USA.",
">\n\n\nYou don't know if vaccines work against any new variant even if that variant is from a country populated with white people.\n\nAll the more reason to not invite more new strains into the country. White population or otherwise has nothing to do with it, expected rise in cases in China does.\n\nThe vaccine doesn't adapt once inside of your body you know that right?\n\nYou missed the point. The point i was making was that the Chinese medical system has not even approached Covid with an mRNA vaccine, and steadfastly refused to license western vaccines. If the vaccine most readily available in China has a 50% efficacy then the population is at more risk of contracting the virus and having negative results. The infection rates are increased with each new case of BA.7 (China is currently seeing each covid patient infecting on average 18 other people represented as 1:18, whereas the in US the rate is 1:3.9). Each of these factors increases the risk of developing new strains that are vaccine resistant. \n\nit's definitely unfair and probably racist as well\n\nIs it your position that nations cannot take any prescriptive action to prevent the spread of infected persons from other countries? Again i would remind you that China has basically been locked down for the last 2 years, with severe limitations to personal freedoms themselves. This is not based on race, but rather a government's inability to contain a contagious outbreak in their own country and not wanting it to spread. \n\nA good policy would be to require vaccinations from everybody. Think about it, you are requiring a vaccine that you said doesn't even work. How much sense does that make?\n\nThat might be your definition on good policy, but it isn't mine and that isn't how the west does it. \"I\" am not requiring a vaccine that \"I\" said doesn't work - that was your suggestion not mine. Also, i said the efficacy of the Chinese vaccine is 50% - based on available information - i never said it didn't work, and i never said that it should be mandatory or required.\n\nNascent?\n\nPoor and wrong word choice on my part it seems. What i meant was ascribing the US decision to require testing of Chinese travelers to racism because you believe that the US is racist is laughable. Taking a test to prove that you are covid negative is far less onerous on a traveler than most visa requirements.\n\nIt's definitely about punishing china, it's a part of the current cold war with China conducted by the USA.\n\nCite your sources. I could point to many Chinese government policies that i could say are part of the current cold war with the US without backing it up and it would be just as credible as what you said. Opinion is not a source, and not proof. You assume that the US government is racist, that this policy is racist and yet we have had travel bans imposed on other countries, as well as testing required for travelers from other countries imposed before, and other policies and so has China. For goodness sake China has been closed to foreigners for almost 3 years, and is still closed to foreign travel until January 2023. Is that a racist policy as well?",
">\n\nHere we go again.\nThis time I think I'll learn French cooking.",
">\n\n5000 People a day will have to die before Anybody says the word Lock down in the States ever again.",
">\n\nDon’t understand why people can’t handle staying at home for two weeks when it could potentially eradicate a deadly virus. Are we that weak?",
">\n\nWe did that in large part in March 2020. And did China not spend years locking down their citizens? \nPeoples savings are gone. They need to work. \nWearing a mask would do a lot to help the issue but people aren’t willing to do that anymore.",
">\n\nWe didn't do that though. We didn't all lock down when we were supposed to. Where I work I had to go in from the very start all the way through. Most people, the majority of people, didn't stay home even if they didn't have work. Most people didn't fuck with masks or keeping a distance, and even people who weren't antivaccers didn't take the vaccine seriously for the longest time. \nWe had no fucking lock down, unless you were a well-off celebrity or comedian who wanted to talk about being locked down for content. \nIf people legit locked down, they would have taken a small hit financially, but too many people didn't do shit and prolonged everything.",
">\n\nThe things is that it doesn't take long to drain peoples saving - becuase the overwhelming majority of people have practically none. \nSo an extended lockdown was never feasible unless the government was willing to pay several trillion dollars of expenses, not just 2 or 3 times but several times over.",
">\n\nI didn't dispute any of what you said. I pointed out that most people actively contested any safety measure and most people didn't actually lock down. Any extension will almost certainly be the fault of most of those people. \nI'd gladly let them all die if it meant the few people who did take things seriously didn't have to live through a Walking Dead scenario or have to take a huge financial hit because them.",
">\n\nMost people did lock down just fine initially. After a few weeks turned into a month or more, yeah people got testy.\nAdditionally, a gigantic amount of people work in critical industries and simply cant stay home. Just keeping the lights and water on requires tens of millions of workers, plus industries like plants and refineries that simply cannot shut down without massive long-term consequences.\nReddit is full of office people who can WFH, the vast majority of people cant.",
">\n\nI was one of those who couldn't stay home. Right out of the gate most people gave up on almost all of it except when they were making a show of complying when they had to. There was a lot of cheating. I walk through a lot of different areas. The waves of patients and bodies we got at work tracked with that and became predictable.",
">\n\nWhat’s that saying that ends with ”…doomed to repeat it?”",
">\n\nWhy not just require a negative test from everyone?",
">\n\nWho would you expect to pay for that?",
">\n\nGovernments or sponsors from the private sector ideally, I honestly don’t give a fuck. I’ve gotten many free tests from both and I’ve also bought some for like $8.",
">\n\n“Here we go again” from everyone in the comments. \nThe virus never stopped, we did.",
">\n\nVirus will always be there. Permanent restrictions are unsustainable",
">\n\n3 years later...\nIs this permanent?",
">\n\nI doubt there's anything that would make Republicans running in 2024 happier then Democrats advocating for a return to COVID restrictions.",
">\n\nRight? It’d be like the democrats fighting for gun control, or gay and trans rights, or safe and legal abortions. It would be political suicide to stand for something that Republicans don’t like!",
">\n\nMy understanding is that everything you listed is broadly popular or has at least a majority of American's in favor of it. A return to COVID restrictions is not in that category.",
">\n\nGun control isn’t even universally loved amongst the American left, as the hard left needs them for protection from the hard right they clash with, and the middle left does like having their guns taken as much as any middle right wing does, only mid left likes it",
">\n\nGallup has 57% of Americans feeling that in general gun laws should be more strict.",
">\n\nRegular people want kids to stop dying while in school. The problem is \"stricter laws\" is vague and no one can agree on what it means or give a serious proposal that would work, short of confiscation and bans, which are wildly unpopular.",
">\n\nVague political talking points is the best we’re going to get. Much as I’d love a Ross Perot style of breaking down every platform and promise, the general public doesn’t go for it. Buzz words are all we have the attention span for.",
">\n\nChina's COVID-19 surge raises odds of new coronavirus variants\nThings could get very ugly.",
">\n\nYou say this like covid hasn't been spreading rampantly through literally every country on the planet, mostly without any measures to stop the spread. Why does China get a different treatment and maybe countries should require tests from the US or Inida or Europe?",
">\n\nI agree. US was primarily the culprit of why COVID went rampant to begin with. We actively refused to enforce any sort of safety measures, just a mild suggestion of \"maybe wear a mask, if you want to, it's ok if you don't\" and \"we have vaccines if you want one, no pressure tho\". That was really our response to the world's deadliest pandemic.",
">\n\nWe actively made fun of zero covid approaches on reddit and now based on the comments on this thread we are suddenly pro “zero covid” approaches",
">\n\nEveryone finally watched contagion",
">\n\nSo far my 2023 bingo card is reading alooot of skull and crossbones, I think I might actually win at something next year, what does your score card look like?",
">\n\nWhen’s that $1200 going to hit my account?",
">\n\nI’m still living off mine from last time!",
">\n\nI’m still looking for mine",
">\n\nI’m waiting for that $600 bucks from Biden still, but that’s going right into my retirement!",
">\n\nYou dont get he meant to include any money you already received as well /s",
">\n\nI seem to remember campaign ads with $2000 checks.",
">\n\nYep they explicitly mentioned $2,000 checks.",
">\n\nMy comment was sarcasm but in retrospect there are so many neoliberals saying that word for word in all seriousness that I should and will add a sarcasm tag",
">\n\nThat's nice and all, but let's not act like we're not just ignoring our own COVID problems.",
">\n\n\n\"You don't have zero tolerance anymore? We can't tolerate that.\"\n\n- Country with 100% tolerance"
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I think this is because China has a relatively low vaccination rate because they relied on lock downs. Now that lock downs are being ramped down, they are having a huge surge.
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"People from China will travel through Europe and come in to America from the east coast like they did when the pandemic started. This will do nothing if all travelers aboard aren’t made to test.",
">\n\nLet's hope EU and other countries do the same.",
">\n\nI don't know if they will. Australia (for example) had some of the toughest Covid policies and they've essentially just thrown them all out the window.\nSo I don't know how willing countries are to go back to being overly concerned about Covid.",
">\n\nThey should be concerned w chinese, it's spreading like wildfire in china. If we aren't careful, they will come out w covid 20.",
">\n\nIt’s spreading everywhere including the USA. This policy has nothing to do with science or medicine. It’s just politics.",
">\n\nNo. It’s circulating like mad in a population of 1 billion people who haven’t been exposed before. This is how new variants come about. Every country should require negative Covid test for china at least until it cycles through the population",
">\n\n\nNo. It’s circulating like mad in a population of 1 billion people who haven’t been exposed before.\n\nIt's also spreading like mad in all the countries of the world including the USA.\n\nThis is how new variants come about. \n\nAnd they have been for years now.\n\nEvery country should require negative Covid test for china at least until it cycles through the population\n\nOnly for political reasons. There is no scientific or rational demand for this. \nI get it, you hate china, most americans hate china so just be honest and say what you really mean.",
">\n\nStrains are spreading in the west yes, but there are new strains in China that are spreading and we don't know if our vaccines will work with those strains. We know the Chinese vaccines have a low efficacy rate and we know they are not mRNA vaccines which allow for easier adaptation to new strains. Making travelers with a Chinese passport take Covid tests at any and all airports is not racist or even unfair - a reminder that China has been relatively hard to travel to for the last 2 years because they were locked down to foreign travel as well. This is simply good policy from a public health measure, and you not wanting to see that for what it is and instead attribute it to a nascent American hatred for China is laughable. the World Health Organization estimated close to 800 million new cases in China in the next few months, with another estimate 4 million deaths and countless new strains coming out during that period. This is about protection populations, not punishing China.",
">\n\n\nStrains are spreading in the west yes, but there are new strains in China that are spreading and we don't know if our vaccines will work with those strains.\n\nYou don't know if vaccines work against any new variant even if that variant is from a country populated with white people.\n\nWe know the Chinese vaccines have a low efficacy rate and we know they are not mRNA vaccines which allow for easier adaptation to new strains. \n\nThe vaccine doesn't adapt once inside of your body you know that right?\n\nMaking travelers with a Chinese passport take Covid tests at any and all airports is not racist or even unfair \n\nit's definitely unfair and probably racist as well.\n\nhis is simply good policy from a public health measure, a\n\nA good policy would be to require vaccinations from everybody. Think about it, you are requiring a vaccine that you said doesn't even work. How much sense does that make?\n\nattribute it to a nascent American hatred for China is laughable.\n\nNascent?\n\nThis is about protection populations, not punishing China.\n\nIt's definitely about punishing china, it's a part of the current cold war with China conducted by the USA.",
">\n\n\nYou don't know if vaccines work against any new variant even if that variant is from a country populated with white people.\n\nAll the more reason to not invite more new strains into the country. White population or otherwise has nothing to do with it, expected rise in cases in China does.\n\nThe vaccine doesn't adapt once inside of your body you know that right?\n\nYou missed the point. The point i was making was that the Chinese medical system has not even approached Covid with an mRNA vaccine, and steadfastly refused to license western vaccines. If the vaccine most readily available in China has a 50% efficacy then the population is at more risk of contracting the virus and having negative results. The infection rates are increased with each new case of BA.7 (China is currently seeing each covid patient infecting on average 18 other people represented as 1:18, whereas the in US the rate is 1:3.9). Each of these factors increases the risk of developing new strains that are vaccine resistant. \n\nit's definitely unfair and probably racist as well\n\nIs it your position that nations cannot take any prescriptive action to prevent the spread of infected persons from other countries? Again i would remind you that China has basically been locked down for the last 2 years, with severe limitations to personal freedoms themselves. This is not based on race, but rather a government's inability to contain a contagious outbreak in their own country and not wanting it to spread. \n\nA good policy would be to require vaccinations from everybody. Think about it, you are requiring a vaccine that you said doesn't even work. How much sense does that make?\n\nThat might be your definition on good policy, but it isn't mine and that isn't how the west does it. \"I\" am not requiring a vaccine that \"I\" said doesn't work - that was your suggestion not mine. Also, i said the efficacy of the Chinese vaccine is 50% - based on available information - i never said it didn't work, and i never said that it should be mandatory or required.\n\nNascent?\n\nPoor and wrong word choice on my part it seems. What i meant was ascribing the US decision to require testing of Chinese travelers to racism because you believe that the US is racist is laughable. Taking a test to prove that you are covid negative is far less onerous on a traveler than most visa requirements.\n\nIt's definitely about punishing china, it's a part of the current cold war with China conducted by the USA.\n\nCite your sources. I could point to many Chinese government policies that i could say are part of the current cold war with the US without backing it up and it would be just as credible as what you said. Opinion is not a source, and not proof. You assume that the US government is racist, that this policy is racist and yet we have had travel bans imposed on other countries, as well as testing required for travelers from other countries imposed before, and other policies and so has China. For goodness sake China has been closed to foreigners for almost 3 years, and is still closed to foreign travel until January 2023. Is that a racist policy as well?",
">\n\nHere we go again.\nThis time I think I'll learn French cooking.",
">\n\n5000 People a day will have to die before Anybody says the word Lock down in the States ever again.",
">\n\nDon’t understand why people can’t handle staying at home for two weeks when it could potentially eradicate a deadly virus. Are we that weak?",
">\n\nWe did that in large part in March 2020. And did China not spend years locking down their citizens? \nPeoples savings are gone. They need to work. \nWearing a mask would do a lot to help the issue but people aren’t willing to do that anymore.",
">\n\nWe didn't do that though. We didn't all lock down when we were supposed to. Where I work I had to go in from the very start all the way through. Most people, the majority of people, didn't stay home even if they didn't have work. Most people didn't fuck with masks or keeping a distance, and even people who weren't antivaccers didn't take the vaccine seriously for the longest time. \nWe had no fucking lock down, unless you were a well-off celebrity or comedian who wanted to talk about being locked down for content. \nIf people legit locked down, they would have taken a small hit financially, but too many people didn't do shit and prolonged everything.",
">\n\nThe things is that it doesn't take long to drain peoples saving - becuase the overwhelming majority of people have practically none. \nSo an extended lockdown was never feasible unless the government was willing to pay several trillion dollars of expenses, not just 2 or 3 times but several times over.",
">\n\nI didn't dispute any of what you said. I pointed out that most people actively contested any safety measure and most people didn't actually lock down. Any extension will almost certainly be the fault of most of those people. \nI'd gladly let them all die if it meant the few people who did take things seriously didn't have to live through a Walking Dead scenario or have to take a huge financial hit because them.",
">\n\nMost people did lock down just fine initially. After a few weeks turned into a month or more, yeah people got testy.\nAdditionally, a gigantic amount of people work in critical industries and simply cant stay home. Just keeping the lights and water on requires tens of millions of workers, plus industries like plants and refineries that simply cannot shut down without massive long-term consequences.\nReddit is full of office people who can WFH, the vast majority of people cant.",
">\n\nI was one of those who couldn't stay home. Right out of the gate most people gave up on almost all of it except when they were making a show of complying when they had to. There was a lot of cheating. I walk through a lot of different areas. The waves of patients and bodies we got at work tracked with that and became predictable.",
">\n\nWhat’s that saying that ends with ”…doomed to repeat it?”",
">\n\nWhy not just require a negative test from everyone?",
">\n\nWho would you expect to pay for that?",
">\n\nGovernments or sponsors from the private sector ideally, I honestly don’t give a fuck. I’ve gotten many free tests from both and I’ve also bought some for like $8.",
">\n\n“Here we go again” from everyone in the comments. \nThe virus never stopped, we did.",
">\n\nVirus will always be there. Permanent restrictions are unsustainable",
">\n\n3 years later...\nIs this permanent?",
">\n\nI doubt there's anything that would make Republicans running in 2024 happier then Democrats advocating for a return to COVID restrictions.",
">\n\nRight? It’d be like the democrats fighting for gun control, or gay and trans rights, or safe and legal abortions. It would be political suicide to stand for something that Republicans don’t like!",
">\n\nMy understanding is that everything you listed is broadly popular or has at least a majority of American's in favor of it. A return to COVID restrictions is not in that category.",
">\n\nGun control isn’t even universally loved amongst the American left, as the hard left needs them for protection from the hard right they clash with, and the middle left does like having their guns taken as much as any middle right wing does, only mid left likes it",
">\n\nGallup has 57% of Americans feeling that in general gun laws should be more strict.",
">\n\nRegular people want kids to stop dying while in school. The problem is \"stricter laws\" is vague and no one can agree on what it means or give a serious proposal that would work, short of confiscation and bans, which are wildly unpopular.",
">\n\nVague political talking points is the best we’re going to get. Much as I’d love a Ross Perot style of breaking down every platform and promise, the general public doesn’t go for it. Buzz words are all we have the attention span for.",
">\n\nChina's COVID-19 surge raises odds of new coronavirus variants\nThings could get very ugly.",
">\n\nYou say this like covid hasn't been spreading rampantly through literally every country on the planet, mostly without any measures to stop the spread. Why does China get a different treatment and maybe countries should require tests from the US or Inida or Europe?",
">\n\nI agree. US was primarily the culprit of why COVID went rampant to begin with. We actively refused to enforce any sort of safety measures, just a mild suggestion of \"maybe wear a mask, if you want to, it's ok if you don't\" and \"we have vaccines if you want one, no pressure tho\". That was really our response to the world's deadliest pandemic.",
">\n\nWe actively made fun of zero covid approaches on reddit and now based on the comments on this thread we are suddenly pro “zero covid” approaches",
">\n\nEveryone finally watched contagion",
">\n\nSo far my 2023 bingo card is reading alooot of skull and crossbones, I think I might actually win at something next year, what does your score card look like?",
">\n\nWhen’s that $1200 going to hit my account?",
">\n\nI’m still living off mine from last time!",
">\n\nI’m still looking for mine",
">\n\nI’m waiting for that $600 bucks from Biden still, but that’s going right into my retirement!",
">\n\nYou dont get he meant to include any money you already received as well /s",
">\n\nI seem to remember campaign ads with $2000 checks.",
">\n\nYep they explicitly mentioned $2,000 checks.",
">\n\nMy comment was sarcasm but in retrospect there are so many neoliberals saying that word for word in all seriousness that I should and will add a sarcasm tag",
">\n\nThat's nice and all, but let's not act like we're not just ignoring our own COVID problems.",
">\n\n\n\"You don't have zero tolerance anymore? We can't tolerate that.\"\n\n- Country with 100% tolerance",
">\n\nWhy not require a negative COVID test from everyone entering the country? It’s like they don’t want COVID to be under control."
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The vaccination rate in China is considerably higher than the US (92% vs 81%). This is just another example of yellow peril
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"People from China will travel through Europe and come in to America from the east coast like they did when the pandemic started. This will do nothing if all travelers aboard aren’t made to test.",
">\n\nLet's hope EU and other countries do the same.",
">\n\nI don't know if they will. Australia (for example) had some of the toughest Covid policies and they've essentially just thrown them all out the window.\nSo I don't know how willing countries are to go back to being overly concerned about Covid.",
">\n\nThey should be concerned w chinese, it's spreading like wildfire in china. If we aren't careful, they will come out w covid 20.",
">\n\nIt’s spreading everywhere including the USA. This policy has nothing to do with science or medicine. It’s just politics.",
">\n\nNo. It’s circulating like mad in a population of 1 billion people who haven’t been exposed before. This is how new variants come about. Every country should require negative Covid test for china at least until it cycles through the population",
">\n\n\nNo. It’s circulating like mad in a population of 1 billion people who haven’t been exposed before.\n\nIt's also spreading like mad in all the countries of the world including the USA.\n\nThis is how new variants come about. \n\nAnd they have been for years now.\n\nEvery country should require negative Covid test for china at least until it cycles through the population\n\nOnly for political reasons. There is no scientific or rational demand for this. \nI get it, you hate china, most americans hate china so just be honest and say what you really mean.",
">\n\nStrains are spreading in the west yes, but there are new strains in China that are spreading and we don't know if our vaccines will work with those strains. We know the Chinese vaccines have a low efficacy rate and we know they are not mRNA vaccines which allow for easier adaptation to new strains. Making travelers with a Chinese passport take Covid tests at any and all airports is not racist or even unfair - a reminder that China has been relatively hard to travel to for the last 2 years because they were locked down to foreign travel as well. This is simply good policy from a public health measure, and you not wanting to see that for what it is and instead attribute it to a nascent American hatred for China is laughable. the World Health Organization estimated close to 800 million new cases in China in the next few months, with another estimate 4 million deaths and countless new strains coming out during that period. This is about protection populations, not punishing China.",
">\n\n\nStrains are spreading in the west yes, but there are new strains in China that are spreading and we don't know if our vaccines will work with those strains.\n\nYou don't know if vaccines work against any new variant even if that variant is from a country populated with white people.\n\nWe know the Chinese vaccines have a low efficacy rate and we know they are not mRNA vaccines which allow for easier adaptation to new strains. \n\nThe vaccine doesn't adapt once inside of your body you know that right?\n\nMaking travelers with a Chinese passport take Covid tests at any and all airports is not racist or even unfair \n\nit's definitely unfair and probably racist as well.\n\nhis is simply good policy from a public health measure, a\n\nA good policy would be to require vaccinations from everybody. Think about it, you are requiring a vaccine that you said doesn't even work. How much sense does that make?\n\nattribute it to a nascent American hatred for China is laughable.\n\nNascent?\n\nThis is about protection populations, not punishing China.\n\nIt's definitely about punishing china, it's a part of the current cold war with China conducted by the USA.",
">\n\n\nYou don't know if vaccines work against any new variant even if that variant is from a country populated with white people.\n\nAll the more reason to not invite more new strains into the country. White population or otherwise has nothing to do with it, expected rise in cases in China does.\n\nThe vaccine doesn't adapt once inside of your body you know that right?\n\nYou missed the point. The point i was making was that the Chinese medical system has not even approached Covid with an mRNA vaccine, and steadfastly refused to license western vaccines. If the vaccine most readily available in China has a 50% efficacy then the population is at more risk of contracting the virus and having negative results. The infection rates are increased with each new case of BA.7 (China is currently seeing each covid patient infecting on average 18 other people represented as 1:18, whereas the in US the rate is 1:3.9). Each of these factors increases the risk of developing new strains that are vaccine resistant. \n\nit's definitely unfair and probably racist as well\n\nIs it your position that nations cannot take any prescriptive action to prevent the spread of infected persons from other countries? Again i would remind you that China has basically been locked down for the last 2 years, with severe limitations to personal freedoms themselves. This is not based on race, but rather a government's inability to contain a contagious outbreak in their own country and not wanting it to spread. \n\nA good policy would be to require vaccinations from everybody. Think about it, you are requiring a vaccine that you said doesn't even work. How much sense does that make?\n\nThat might be your definition on good policy, but it isn't mine and that isn't how the west does it. \"I\" am not requiring a vaccine that \"I\" said doesn't work - that was your suggestion not mine. Also, i said the efficacy of the Chinese vaccine is 50% - based on available information - i never said it didn't work, and i never said that it should be mandatory or required.\n\nNascent?\n\nPoor and wrong word choice on my part it seems. What i meant was ascribing the US decision to require testing of Chinese travelers to racism because you believe that the US is racist is laughable. Taking a test to prove that you are covid negative is far less onerous on a traveler than most visa requirements.\n\nIt's definitely about punishing china, it's a part of the current cold war with China conducted by the USA.\n\nCite your sources. I could point to many Chinese government policies that i could say are part of the current cold war with the US without backing it up and it would be just as credible as what you said. Opinion is not a source, and not proof. You assume that the US government is racist, that this policy is racist and yet we have had travel bans imposed on other countries, as well as testing required for travelers from other countries imposed before, and other policies and so has China. For goodness sake China has been closed to foreigners for almost 3 years, and is still closed to foreign travel until January 2023. Is that a racist policy as well?",
">\n\nHere we go again.\nThis time I think I'll learn French cooking.",
">\n\n5000 People a day will have to die before Anybody says the word Lock down in the States ever again.",
">\n\nDon’t understand why people can’t handle staying at home for two weeks when it could potentially eradicate a deadly virus. Are we that weak?",
">\n\nWe did that in large part in March 2020. And did China not spend years locking down their citizens? \nPeoples savings are gone. They need to work. \nWearing a mask would do a lot to help the issue but people aren’t willing to do that anymore.",
">\n\nWe didn't do that though. We didn't all lock down when we were supposed to. Where I work I had to go in from the very start all the way through. Most people, the majority of people, didn't stay home even if they didn't have work. Most people didn't fuck with masks or keeping a distance, and even people who weren't antivaccers didn't take the vaccine seriously for the longest time. \nWe had no fucking lock down, unless you were a well-off celebrity or comedian who wanted to talk about being locked down for content. \nIf people legit locked down, they would have taken a small hit financially, but too many people didn't do shit and prolonged everything.",
">\n\nThe things is that it doesn't take long to drain peoples saving - becuase the overwhelming majority of people have practically none. \nSo an extended lockdown was never feasible unless the government was willing to pay several trillion dollars of expenses, not just 2 or 3 times but several times over.",
">\n\nI didn't dispute any of what you said. I pointed out that most people actively contested any safety measure and most people didn't actually lock down. Any extension will almost certainly be the fault of most of those people. \nI'd gladly let them all die if it meant the few people who did take things seriously didn't have to live through a Walking Dead scenario or have to take a huge financial hit because them.",
">\n\nMost people did lock down just fine initially. After a few weeks turned into a month or more, yeah people got testy.\nAdditionally, a gigantic amount of people work in critical industries and simply cant stay home. Just keeping the lights and water on requires tens of millions of workers, plus industries like plants and refineries that simply cannot shut down without massive long-term consequences.\nReddit is full of office people who can WFH, the vast majority of people cant.",
">\n\nI was one of those who couldn't stay home. Right out of the gate most people gave up on almost all of it except when they were making a show of complying when they had to. There was a lot of cheating. I walk through a lot of different areas. The waves of patients and bodies we got at work tracked with that and became predictable.",
">\n\nWhat’s that saying that ends with ”…doomed to repeat it?”",
">\n\nWhy not just require a negative test from everyone?",
">\n\nWho would you expect to pay for that?",
">\n\nGovernments or sponsors from the private sector ideally, I honestly don’t give a fuck. I’ve gotten many free tests from both and I’ve also bought some for like $8.",
">\n\n“Here we go again” from everyone in the comments. \nThe virus never stopped, we did.",
">\n\nVirus will always be there. Permanent restrictions are unsustainable",
">\n\n3 years later...\nIs this permanent?",
">\n\nI doubt there's anything that would make Republicans running in 2024 happier then Democrats advocating for a return to COVID restrictions.",
">\n\nRight? It’d be like the democrats fighting for gun control, or gay and trans rights, or safe and legal abortions. It would be political suicide to stand for something that Republicans don’t like!",
">\n\nMy understanding is that everything you listed is broadly popular or has at least a majority of American's in favor of it. A return to COVID restrictions is not in that category.",
">\n\nGun control isn’t even universally loved amongst the American left, as the hard left needs them for protection from the hard right they clash with, and the middle left does like having their guns taken as much as any middle right wing does, only mid left likes it",
">\n\nGallup has 57% of Americans feeling that in general gun laws should be more strict.",
">\n\nRegular people want kids to stop dying while in school. The problem is \"stricter laws\" is vague and no one can agree on what it means or give a serious proposal that would work, short of confiscation and bans, which are wildly unpopular.",
">\n\nVague political talking points is the best we’re going to get. Much as I’d love a Ross Perot style of breaking down every platform and promise, the general public doesn’t go for it. Buzz words are all we have the attention span for.",
">\n\nChina's COVID-19 surge raises odds of new coronavirus variants\nThings could get very ugly.",
">\n\nYou say this like covid hasn't been spreading rampantly through literally every country on the planet, mostly without any measures to stop the spread. Why does China get a different treatment and maybe countries should require tests from the US or Inida or Europe?",
">\n\nI agree. US was primarily the culprit of why COVID went rampant to begin with. We actively refused to enforce any sort of safety measures, just a mild suggestion of \"maybe wear a mask, if you want to, it's ok if you don't\" and \"we have vaccines if you want one, no pressure tho\". That was really our response to the world's deadliest pandemic.",
">\n\nWe actively made fun of zero covid approaches on reddit and now based on the comments on this thread we are suddenly pro “zero covid” approaches",
">\n\nEveryone finally watched contagion",
">\n\nSo far my 2023 bingo card is reading alooot of skull and crossbones, I think I might actually win at something next year, what does your score card look like?",
">\n\nWhen’s that $1200 going to hit my account?",
">\n\nI’m still living off mine from last time!",
">\n\nI’m still looking for mine",
">\n\nI’m waiting for that $600 bucks from Biden still, but that’s going right into my retirement!",
">\n\nYou dont get he meant to include any money you already received as well /s",
">\n\nI seem to remember campaign ads with $2000 checks.",
">\n\nYep they explicitly mentioned $2,000 checks.",
">\n\nMy comment was sarcasm but in retrospect there are so many neoliberals saying that word for word in all seriousness that I should and will add a sarcasm tag",
">\n\nThat's nice and all, but let's not act like we're not just ignoring our own COVID problems.",
">\n\n\n\"You don't have zero tolerance anymore? We can't tolerate that.\"\n\n- Country with 100% tolerance",
">\n\nWhy not require a negative COVID test from everyone entering the country? It’s like they don’t want COVID to be under control.",
">\n\nI think this is because China has a relatively low vaccination rate because they relied on lock downs. Now that lock downs are being ramped down, they are having a huge surge."
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Thank you for pointing this out. What I said above was wrong about the vaccination rate. I don’t know why exactly China is having a surge. 🤷♂️
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"People from China will travel through Europe and come in to America from the east coast like they did when the pandemic started. This will do nothing if all travelers aboard aren’t made to test.",
">\n\nLet's hope EU and other countries do the same.",
">\n\nI don't know if they will. Australia (for example) had some of the toughest Covid policies and they've essentially just thrown them all out the window.\nSo I don't know how willing countries are to go back to being overly concerned about Covid.",
">\n\nThey should be concerned w chinese, it's spreading like wildfire in china. If we aren't careful, they will come out w covid 20.",
">\n\nIt’s spreading everywhere including the USA. This policy has nothing to do with science or medicine. It’s just politics.",
">\n\nNo. It’s circulating like mad in a population of 1 billion people who haven’t been exposed before. This is how new variants come about. Every country should require negative Covid test for china at least until it cycles through the population",
">\n\n\nNo. It’s circulating like mad in a population of 1 billion people who haven’t been exposed before.\n\nIt's also spreading like mad in all the countries of the world including the USA.\n\nThis is how new variants come about. \n\nAnd they have been for years now.\n\nEvery country should require negative Covid test for china at least until it cycles through the population\n\nOnly for political reasons. There is no scientific or rational demand for this. \nI get it, you hate china, most americans hate china so just be honest and say what you really mean.",
">\n\nStrains are spreading in the west yes, but there are new strains in China that are spreading and we don't know if our vaccines will work with those strains. We know the Chinese vaccines have a low efficacy rate and we know they are not mRNA vaccines which allow for easier adaptation to new strains. Making travelers with a Chinese passport take Covid tests at any and all airports is not racist or even unfair - a reminder that China has been relatively hard to travel to for the last 2 years because they were locked down to foreign travel as well. This is simply good policy from a public health measure, and you not wanting to see that for what it is and instead attribute it to a nascent American hatred for China is laughable. the World Health Organization estimated close to 800 million new cases in China in the next few months, with another estimate 4 million deaths and countless new strains coming out during that period. This is about protection populations, not punishing China.",
">\n\n\nStrains are spreading in the west yes, but there are new strains in China that are spreading and we don't know if our vaccines will work with those strains.\n\nYou don't know if vaccines work against any new variant even if that variant is from a country populated with white people.\n\nWe know the Chinese vaccines have a low efficacy rate and we know they are not mRNA vaccines which allow for easier adaptation to new strains. \n\nThe vaccine doesn't adapt once inside of your body you know that right?\n\nMaking travelers with a Chinese passport take Covid tests at any and all airports is not racist or even unfair \n\nit's definitely unfair and probably racist as well.\n\nhis is simply good policy from a public health measure, a\n\nA good policy would be to require vaccinations from everybody. Think about it, you are requiring a vaccine that you said doesn't even work. How much sense does that make?\n\nattribute it to a nascent American hatred for China is laughable.\n\nNascent?\n\nThis is about protection populations, not punishing China.\n\nIt's definitely about punishing china, it's a part of the current cold war with China conducted by the USA.",
">\n\n\nYou don't know if vaccines work against any new variant even if that variant is from a country populated with white people.\n\nAll the more reason to not invite more new strains into the country. White population or otherwise has nothing to do with it, expected rise in cases in China does.\n\nThe vaccine doesn't adapt once inside of your body you know that right?\n\nYou missed the point. The point i was making was that the Chinese medical system has not even approached Covid with an mRNA vaccine, and steadfastly refused to license western vaccines. If the vaccine most readily available in China has a 50% efficacy then the population is at more risk of contracting the virus and having negative results. The infection rates are increased with each new case of BA.7 (China is currently seeing each covid patient infecting on average 18 other people represented as 1:18, whereas the in US the rate is 1:3.9). Each of these factors increases the risk of developing new strains that are vaccine resistant. \n\nit's definitely unfair and probably racist as well\n\nIs it your position that nations cannot take any prescriptive action to prevent the spread of infected persons from other countries? Again i would remind you that China has basically been locked down for the last 2 years, with severe limitations to personal freedoms themselves. This is not based on race, but rather a government's inability to contain a contagious outbreak in their own country and not wanting it to spread. \n\nA good policy would be to require vaccinations from everybody. Think about it, you are requiring a vaccine that you said doesn't even work. How much sense does that make?\n\nThat might be your definition on good policy, but it isn't mine and that isn't how the west does it. \"I\" am not requiring a vaccine that \"I\" said doesn't work - that was your suggestion not mine. Also, i said the efficacy of the Chinese vaccine is 50% - based on available information - i never said it didn't work, and i never said that it should be mandatory or required.\n\nNascent?\n\nPoor and wrong word choice on my part it seems. What i meant was ascribing the US decision to require testing of Chinese travelers to racism because you believe that the US is racist is laughable. Taking a test to prove that you are covid negative is far less onerous on a traveler than most visa requirements.\n\nIt's definitely about punishing china, it's a part of the current cold war with China conducted by the USA.\n\nCite your sources. I could point to many Chinese government policies that i could say are part of the current cold war with the US without backing it up and it would be just as credible as what you said. Opinion is not a source, and not proof. You assume that the US government is racist, that this policy is racist and yet we have had travel bans imposed on other countries, as well as testing required for travelers from other countries imposed before, and other policies and so has China. For goodness sake China has been closed to foreigners for almost 3 years, and is still closed to foreign travel until January 2023. Is that a racist policy as well?",
">\n\nHere we go again.\nThis time I think I'll learn French cooking.",
">\n\n5000 People a day will have to die before Anybody says the word Lock down in the States ever again.",
">\n\nDon’t understand why people can’t handle staying at home for two weeks when it could potentially eradicate a deadly virus. Are we that weak?",
">\n\nWe did that in large part in March 2020. And did China not spend years locking down their citizens? \nPeoples savings are gone. They need to work. \nWearing a mask would do a lot to help the issue but people aren’t willing to do that anymore.",
">\n\nWe didn't do that though. We didn't all lock down when we were supposed to. Where I work I had to go in from the very start all the way through. Most people, the majority of people, didn't stay home even if they didn't have work. Most people didn't fuck with masks or keeping a distance, and even people who weren't antivaccers didn't take the vaccine seriously for the longest time. \nWe had no fucking lock down, unless you were a well-off celebrity or comedian who wanted to talk about being locked down for content. \nIf people legit locked down, they would have taken a small hit financially, but too many people didn't do shit and prolonged everything.",
">\n\nThe things is that it doesn't take long to drain peoples saving - becuase the overwhelming majority of people have practically none. \nSo an extended lockdown was never feasible unless the government was willing to pay several trillion dollars of expenses, not just 2 or 3 times but several times over.",
">\n\nI didn't dispute any of what you said. I pointed out that most people actively contested any safety measure and most people didn't actually lock down. Any extension will almost certainly be the fault of most of those people. \nI'd gladly let them all die if it meant the few people who did take things seriously didn't have to live through a Walking Dead scenario or have to take a huge financial hit because them.",
">\n\nMost people did lock down just fine initially. After a few weeks turned into a month or more, yeah people got testy.\nAdditionally, a gigantic amount of people work in critical industries and simply cant stay home. Just keeping the lights and water on requires tens of millions of workers, plus industries like plants and refineries that simply cannot shut down without massive long-term consequences.\nReddit is full of office people who can WFH, the vast majority of people cant.",
">\n\nI was one of those who couldn't stay home. Right out of the gate most people gave up on almost all of it except when they were making a show of complying when they had to. There was a lot of cheating. I walk through a lot of different areas. The waves of patients and bodies we got at work tracked with that and became predictable.",
">\n\nWhat’s that saying that ends with ”…doomed to repeat it?”",
">\n\nWhy not just require a negative test from everyone?",
">\n\nWho would you expect to pay for that?",
">\n\nGovernments or sponsors from the private sector ideally, I honestly don’t give a fuck. I’ve gotten many free tests from both and I’ve also bought some for like $8.",
">\n\n“Here we go again” from everyone in the comments. \nThe virus never stopped, we did.",
">\n\nVirus will always be there. Permanent restrictions are unsustainable",
">\n\n3 years later...\nIs this permanent?",
">\n\nI doubt there's anything that would make Republicans running in 2024 happier then Democrats advocating for a return to COVID restrictions.",
">\n\nRight? It’d be like the democrats fighting for gun control, or gay and trans rights, or safe and legal abortions. It would be political suicide to stand for something that Republicans don’t like!",
">\n\nMy understanding is that everything you listed is broadly popular or has at least a majority of American's in favor of it. A return to COVID restrictions is not in that category.",
">\n\nGun control isn’t even universally loved amongst the American left, as the hard left needs them for protection from the hard right they clash with, and the middle left does like having their guns taken as much as any middle right wing does, only mid left likes it",
">\n\nGallup has 57% of Americans feeling that in general gun laws should be more strict.",
">\n\nRegular people want kids to stop dying while in school. The problem is \"stricter laws\" is vague and no one can agree on what it means or give a serious proposal that would work, short of confiscation and bans, which are wildly unpopular.",
">\n\nVague political talking points is the best we’re going to get. Much as I’d love a Ross Perot style of breaking down every platform and promise, the general public doesn’t go for it. Buzz words are all we have the attention span for.",
">\n\nChina's COVID-19 surge raises odds of new coronavirus variants\nThings could get very ugly.",
">\n\nYou say this like covid hasn't been spreading rampantly through literally every country on the planet, mostly without any measures to stop the spread. Why does China get a different treatment and maybe countries should require tests from the US or Inida or Europe?",
">\n\nI agree. US was primarily the culprit of why COVID went rampant to begin with. We actively refused to enforce any sort of safety measures, just a mild suggestion of \"maybe wear a mask, if you want to, it's ok if you don't\" and \"we have vaccines if you want one, no pressure tho\". That was really our response to the world's deadliest pandemic.",
">\n\nWe actively made fun of zero covid approaches on reddit and now based on the comments on this thread we are suddenly pro “zero covid” approaches",
">\n\nEveryone finally watched contagion",
">\n\nSo far my 2023 bingo card is reading alooot of skull and crossbones, I think I might actually win at something next year, what does your score card look like?",
">\n\nWhen’s that $1200 going to hit my account?",
">\n\nI’m still living off mine from last time!",
">\n\nI’m still looking for mine",
">\n\nI’m waiting for that $600 bucks from Biden still, but that’s going right into my retirement!",
">\n\nYou dont get he meant to include any money you already received as well /s",
">\n\nI seem to remember campaign ads with $2000 checks.",
">\n\nYep they explicitly mentioned $2,000 checks.",
">\n\nMy comment was sarcasm but in retrospect there are so many neoliberals saying that word for word in all seriousness that I should and will add a sarcasm tag",
">\n\nThat's nice and all, but let's not act like we're not just ignoring our own COVID problems.",
">\n\n\n\"You don't have zero tolerance anymore? We can't tolerate that.\"\n\n- Country with 100% tolerance",
">\n\nWhy not require a negative COVID test from everyone entering the country? It’s like they don’t want COVID to be under control.",
">\n\nI think this is because China has a relatively low vaccination rate because they relied on lock downs. Now that lock downs are being ramped down, they are having a huge surge.",
">\n\nThe vaccination rate in China is considerably higher than the US (92% vs 81%). This is just another example of yellow peril"
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Their vaccination rate is high but their vaccine, SinoVac is based on old tech. It conveys effectively zero protection from variants when compared to all the other types of vaccines on the market.
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"People from China will travel through Europe and come in to America from the east coast like they did when the pandemic started. This will do nothing if all travelers aboard aren’t made to test.",
">\n\nLet's hope EU and other countries do the same.",
">\n\nI don't know if they will. Australia (for example) had some of the toughest Covid policies and they've essentially just thrown them all out the window.\nSo I don't know how willing countries are to go back to being overly concerned about Covid.",
">\n\nThey should be concerned w chinese, it's spreading like wildfire in china. If we aren't careful, they will come out w covid 20.",
">\n\nIt’s spreading everywhere including the USA. This policy has nothing to do with science or medicine. It’s just politics.",
">\n\nNo. It’s circulating like mad in a population of 1 billion people who haven’t been exposed before. This is how new variants come about. Every country should require negative Covid test for china at least until it cycles through the population",
">\n\n\nNo. It’s circulating like mad in a population of 1 billion people who haven’t been exposed before.\n\nIt's also spreading like mad in all the countries of the world including the USA.\n\nThis is how new variants come about. \n\nAnd they have been for years now.\n\nEvery country should require negative Covid test for china at least until it cycles through the population\n\nOnly for political reasons. There is no scientific or rational demand for this. \nI get it, you hate china, most americans hate china so just be honest and say what you really mean.",
">\n\nStrains are spreading in the west yes, but there are new strains in China that are spreading and we don't know if our vaccines will work with those strains. We know the Chinese vaccines have a low efficacy rate and we know they are not mRNA vaccines which allow for easier adaptation to new strains. Making travelers with a Chinese passport take Covid tests at any and all airports is not racist or even unfair - a reminder that China has been relatively hard to travel to for the last 2 years because they were locked down to foreign travel as well. This is simply good policy from a public health measure, and you not wanting to see that for what it is and instead attribute it to a nascent American hatred for China is laughable. the World Health Organization estimated close to 800 million new cases in China in the next few months, with another estimate 4 million deaths and countless new strains coming out during that period. This is about protection populations, not punishing China.",
">\n\n\nStrains are spreading in the west yes, but there are new strains in China that are spreading and we don't know if our vaccines will work with those strains.\n\nYou don't know if vaccines work against any new variant even if that variant is from a country populated with white people.\n\nWe know the Chinese vaccines have a low efficacy rate and we know they are not mRNA vaccines which allow for easier adaptation to new strains. \n\nThe vaccine doesn't adapt once inside of your body you know that right?\n\nMaking travelers with a Chinese passport take Covid tests at any and all airports is not racist or even unfair \n\nit's definitely unfair and probably racist as well.\n\nhis is simply good policy from a public health measure, a\n\nA good policy would be to require vaccinations from everybody. Think about it, you are requiring a vaccine that you said doesn't even work. How much sense does that make?\n\nattribute it to a nascent American hatred for China is laughable.\n\nNascent?\n\nThis is about protection populations, not punishing China.\n\nIt's definitely about punishing china, it's a part of the current cold war with China conducted by the USA.",
">\n\n\nYou don't know if vaccines work against any new variant even if that variant is from a country populated with white people.\n\nAll the more reason to not invite more new strains into the country. White population or otherwise has nothing to do with it, expected rise in cases in China does.\n\nThe vaccine doesn't adapt once inside of your body you know that right?\n\nYou missed the point. The point i was making was that the Chinese medical system has not even approached Covid with an mRNA vaccine, and steadfastly refused to license western vaccines. If the vaccine most readily available in China has a 50% efficacy then the population is at more risk of contracting the virus and having negative results. The infection rates are increased with each new case of BA.7 (China is currently seeing each covid patient infecting on average 18 other people represented as 1:18, whereas the in US the rate is 1:3.9). Each of these factors increases the risk of developing new strains that are vaccine resistant. \n\nit's definitely unfair and probably racist as well\n\nIs it your position that nations cannot take any prescriptive action to prevent the spread of infected persons from other countries? Again i would remind you that China has basically been locked down for the last 2 years, with severe limitations to personal freedoms themselves. This is not based on race, but rather a government's inability to contain a contagious outbreak in their own country and not wanting it to spread. \n\nA good policy would be to require vaccinations from everybody. Think about it, you are requiring a vaccine that you said doesn't even work. How much sense does that make?\n\nThat might be your definition on good policy, but it isn't mine and that isn't how the west does it. \"I\" am not requiring a vaccine that \"I\" said doesn't work - that was your suggestion not mine. Also, i said the efficacy of the Chinese vaccine is 50% - based on available information - i never said it didn't work, and i never said that it should be mandatory or required.\n\nNascent?\n\nPoor and wrong word choice on my part it seems. What i meant was ascribing the US decision to require testing of Chinese travelers to racism because you believe that the US is racist is laughable. Taking a test to prove that you are covid negative is far less onerous on a traveler than most visa requirements.\n\nIt's definitely about punishing china, it's a part of the current cold war with China conducted by the USA.\n\nCite your sources. I could point to many Chinese government policies that i could say are part of the current cold war with the US without backing it up and it would be just as credible as what you said. Opinion is not a source, and not proof. You assume that the US government is racist, that this policy is racist and yet we have had travel bans imposed on other countries, as well as testing required for travelers from other countries imposed before, and other policies and so has China. For goodness sake China has been closed to foreigners for almost 3 years, and is still closed to foreign travel until January 2023. Is that a racist policy as well?",
">\n\nHere we go again.\nThis time I think I'll learn French cooking.",
">\n\n5000 People a day will have to die before Anybody says the word Lock down in the States ever again.",
">\n\nDon’t understand why people can’t handle staying at home for two weeks when it could potentially eradicate a deadly virus. Are we that weak?",
">\n\nWe did that in large part in March 2020. And did China not spend years locking down their citizens? \nPeoples savings are gone. They need to work. \nWearing a mask would do a lot to help the issue but people aren’t willing to do that anymore.",
">\n\nWe didn't do that though. We didn't all lock down when we were supposed to. Where I work I had to go in from the very start all the way through. Most people, the majority of people, didn't stay home even if they didn't have work. Most people didn't fuck with masks or keeping a distance, and even people who weren't antivaccers didn't take the vaccine seriously for the longest time. \nWe had no fucking lock down, unless you were a well-off celebrity or comedian who wanted to talk about being locked down for content. \nIf people legit locked down, they would have taken a small hit financially, but too many people didn't do shit and prolonged everything.",
">\n\nThe things is that it doesn't take long to drain peoples saving - becuase the overwhelming majority of people have practically none. \nSo an extended lockdown was never feasible unless the government was willing to pay several trillion dollars of expenses, not just 2 or 3 times but several times over.",
">\n\nI didn't dispute any of what you said. I pointed out that most people actively contested any safety measure and most people didn't actually lock down. Any extension will almost certainly be the fault of most of those people. \nI'd gladly let them all die if it meant the few people who did take things seriously didn't have to live through a Walking Dead scenario or have to take a huge financial hit because them.",
">\n\nMost people did lock down just fine initially. After a few weeks turned into a month or more, yeah people got testy.\nAdditionally, a gigantic amount of people work in critical industries and simply cant stay home. Just keeping the lights and water on requires tens of millions of workers, plus industries like plants and refineries that simply cannot shut down without massive long-term consequences.\nReddit is full of office people who can WFH, the vast majority of people cant.",
">\n\nI was one of those who couldn't stay home. Right out of the gate most people gave up on almost all of it except when they were making a show of complying when they had to. There was a lot of cheating. I walk through a lot of different areas. The waves of patients and bodies we got at work tracked with that and became predictable.",
">\n\nWhat’s that saying that ends with ”…doomed to repeat it?”",
">\n\nWhy not just require a negative test from everyone?",
">\n\nWho would you expect to pay for that?",
">\n\nGovernments or sponsors from the private sector ideally, I honestly don’t give a fuck. I’ve gotten many free tests from both and I’ve also bought some for like $8.",
">\n\n“Here we go again” from everyone in the comments. \nThe virus never stopped, we did.",
">\n\nVirus will always be there. Permanent restrictions are unsustainable",
">\n\n3 years later...\nIs this permanent?",
">\n\nI doubt there's anything that would make Republicans running in 2024 happier then Democrats advocating for a return to COVID restrictions.",
">\n\nRight? It’d be like the democrats fighting for gun control, or gay and trans rights, or safe and legal abortions. It would be political suicide to stand for something that Republicans don’t like!",
">\n\nMy understanding is that everything you listed is broadly popular or has at least a majority of American's in favor of it. A return to COVID restrictions is not in that category.",
">\n\nGun control isn’t even universally loved amongst the American left, as the hard left needs them for protection from the hard right they clash with, and the middle left does like having their guns taken as much as any middle right wing does, only mid left likes it",
">\n\nGallup has 57% of Americans feeling that in general gun laws should be more strict.",
">\n\nRegular people want kids to stop dying while in school. The problem is \"stricter laws\" is vague and no one can agree on what it means or give a serious proposal that would work, short of confiscation and bans, which are wildly unpopular.",
">\n\nVague political talking points is the best we’re going to get. Much as I’d love a Ross Perot style of breaking down every platform and promise, the general public doesn’t go for it. Buzz words are all we have the attention span for.",
">\n\nChina's COVID-19 surge raises odds of new coronavirus variants\nThings could get very ugly.",
">\n\nYou say this like covid hasn't been spreading rampantly through literally every country on the planet, mostly without any measures to stop the spread. Why does China get a different treatment and maybe countries should require tests from the US or Inida or Europe?",
">\n\nI agree. US was primarily the culprit of why COVID went rampant to begin with. We actively refused to enforce any sort of safety measures, just a mild suggestion of \"maybe wear a mask, if you want to, it's ok if you don't\" and \"we have vaccines if you want one, no pressure tho\". That was really our response to the world's deadliest pandemic.",
">\n\nWe actively made fun of zero covid approaches on reddit and now based on the comments on this thread we are suddenly pro “zero covid” approaches",
">\n\nEveryone finally watched contagion",
">\n\nSo far my 2023 bingo card is reading alooot of skull and crossbones, I think I might actually win at something next year, what does your score card look like?",
">\n\nWhen’s that $1200 going to hit my account?",
">\n\nI’m still living off mine from last time!",
">\n\nI’m still looking for mine",
">\n\nI’m waiting for that $600 bucks from Biden still, but that’s going right into my retirement!",
">\n\nYou dont get he meant to include any money you already received as well /s",
">\n\nI seem to remember campaign ads with $2000 checks.",
">\n\nYep they explicitly mentioned $2,000 checks.",
">\n\nMy comment was sarcasm but in retrospect there are so many neoliberals saying that word for word in all seriousness that I should and will add a sarcasm tag",
">\n\nThat's nice and all, but let's not act like we're not just ignoring our own COVID problems.",
">\n\n\n\"You don't have zero tolerance anymore? We can't tolerate that.\"\n\n- Country with 100% tolerance",
">\n\nWhy not require a negative COVID test from everyone entering the country? It’s like they don’t want COVID to be under control.",
">\n\nI think this is because China has a relatively low vaccination rate because they relied on lock downs. Now that lock downs are being ramped down, they are having a huge surge.",
">\n\nThe vaccination rate in China is considerably higher than the US (92% vs 81%). This is just another example of yellow peril",
">\n\nThank you for pointing this out. What I said above was wrong about the vaccination rate. I don’t know why exactly China is having a surge. 🤷♂️"
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You guys are so full of shit. At 3 doses Sinovac gives the same protection as any western vaccine with boosters to help mitigate mutated variants. Stop spreading misinfo.
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"People from China will travel through Europe and come in to America from the east coast like they did when the pandemic started. This will do nothing if all travelers aboard aren’t made to test.",
">\n\nLet's hope EU and other countries do the same.",
">\n\nI don't know if they will. Australia (for example) had some of the toughest Covid policies and they've essentially just thrown them all out the window.\nSo I don't know how willing countries are to go back to being overly concerned about Covid.",
">\n\nThey should be concerned w chinese, it's spreading like wildfire in china. If we aren't careful, they will come out w covid 20.",
">\n\nIt’s spreading everywhere including the USA. This policy has nothing to do with science or medicine. It’s just politics.",
">\n\nNo. It’s circulating like mad in a population of 1 billion people who haven’t been exposed before. This is how new variants come about. Every country should require negative Covid test for china at least until it cycles through the population",
">\n\n\nNo. It’s circulating like mad in a population of 1 billion people who haven’t been exposed before.\n\nIt's also spreading like mad in all the countries of the world including the USA.\n\nThis is how new variants come about. \n\nAnd they have been for years now.\n\nEvery country should require negative Covid test for china at least until it cycles through the population\n\nOnly for political reasons. There is no scientific or rational demand for this. \nI get it, you hate china, most americans hate china so just be honest and say what you really mean.",
">\n\nStrains are spreading in the west yes, but there are new strains in China that are spreading and we don't know if our vaccines will work with those strains. We know the Chinese vaccines have a low efficacy rate and we know they are not mRNA vaccines which allow for easier adaptation to new strains. Making travelers with a Chinese passport take Covid tests at any and all airports is not racist or even unfair - a reminder that China has been relatively hard to travel to for the last 2 years because they were locked down to foreign travel as well. This is simply good policy from a public health measure, and you not wanting to see that for what it is and instead attribute it to a nascent American hatred for China is laughable. the World Health Organization estimated close to 800 million new cases in China in the next few months, with another estimate 4 million deaths and countless new strains coming out during that period. This is about protection populations, not punishing China.",
">\n\n\nStrains are spreading in the west yes, but there are new strains in China that are spreading and we don't know if our vaccines will work with those strains.\n\nYou don't know if vaccines work against any new variant even if that variant is from a country populated with white people.\n\nWe know the Chinese vaccines have a low efficacy rate and we know they are not mRNA vaccines which allow for easier adaptation to new strains. \n\nThe vaccine doesn't adapt once inside of your body you know that right?\n\nMaking travelers with a Chinese passport take Covid tests at any and all airports is not racist or even unfair \n\nit's definitely unfair and probably racist as well.\n\nhis is simply good policy from a public health measure, a\n\nA good policy would be to require vaccinations from everybody. Think about it, you are requiring a vaccine that you said doesn't even work. How much sense does that make?\n\nattribute it to a nascent American hatred for China is laughable.\n\nNascent?\n\nThis is about protection populations, not punishing China.\n\nIt's definitely about punishing china, it's a part of the current cold war with China conducted by the USA.",
">\n\n\nYou don't know if vaccines work against any new variant even if that variant is from a country populated with white people.\n\nAll the more reason to not invite more new strains into the country. White population or otherwise has nothing to do with it, expected rise in cases in China does.\n\nThe vaccine doesn't adapt once inside of your body you know that right?\n\nYou missed the point. The point i was making was that the Chinese medical system has not even approached Covid with an mRNA vaccine, and steadfastly refused to license western vaccines. If the vaccine most readily available in China has a 50% efficacy then the population is at more risk of contracting the virus and having negative results. The infection rates are increased with each new case of BA.7 (China is currently seeing each covid patient infecting on average 18 other people represented as 1:18, whereas the in US the rate is 1:3.9). Each of these factors increases the risk of developing new strains that are vaccine resistant. \n\nit's definitely unfair and probably racist as well\n\nIs it your position that nations cannot take any prescriptive action to prevent the spread of infected persons from other countries? Again i would remind you that China has basically been locked down for the last 2 years, with severe limitations to personal freedoms themselves. This is not based on race, but rather a government's inability to contain a contagious outbreak in their own country and not wanting it to spread. \n\nA good policy would be to require vaccinations from everybody. Think about it, you are requiring a vaccine that you said doesn't even work. How much sense does that make?\n\nThat might be your definition on good policy, but it isn't mine and that isn't how the west does it. \"I\" am not requiring a vaccine that \"I\" said doesn't work - that was your suggestion not mine. Also, i said the efficacy of the Chinese vaccine is 50% - based on available information - i never said it didn't work, and i never said that it should be mandatory or required.\n\nNascent?\n\nPoor and wrong word choice on my part it seems. What i meant was ascribing the US decision to require testing of Chinese travelers to racism because you believe that the US is racist is laughable. Taking a test to prove that you are covid negative is far less onerous on a traveler than most visa requirements.\n\nIt's definitely about punishing china, it's a part of the current cold war with China conducted by the USA.\n\nCite your sources. I could point to many Chinese government policies that i could say are part of the current cold war with the US without backing it up and it would be just as credible as what you said. Opinion is not a source, and not proof. You assume that the US government is racist, that this policy is racist and yet we have had travel bans imposed on other countries, as well as testing required for travelers from other countries imposed before, and other policies and so has China. For goodness sake China has been closed to foreigners for almost 3 years, and is still closed to foreign travel until January 2023. Is that a racist policy as well?",
">\n\nHere we go again.\nThis time I think I'll learn French cooking.",
">\n\n5000 People a day will have to die before Anybody says the word Lock down in the States ever again.",
">\n\nDon’t understand why people can’t handle staying at home for two weeks when it could potentially eradicate a deadly virus. Are we that weak?",
">\n\nWe did that in large part in March 2020. And did China not spend years locking down their citizens? \nPeoples savings are gone. They need to work. \nWearing a mask would do a lot to help the issue but people aren’t willing to do that anymore.",
">\n\nWe didn't do that though. We didn't all lock down when we were supposed to. Where I work I had to go in from the very start all the way through. Most people, the majority of people, didn't stay home even if they didn't have work. Most people didn't fuck with masks or keeping a distance, and even people who weren't antivaccers didn't take the vaccine seriously for the longest time. \nWe had no fucking lock down, unless you were a well-off celebrity or comedian who wanted to talk about being locked down for content. \nIf people legit locked down, they would have taken a small hit financially, but too many people didn't do shit and prolonged everything.",
">\n\nThe things is that it doesn't take long to drain peoples saving - becuase the overwhelming majority of people have practically none. \nSo an extended lockdown was never feasible unless the government was willing to pay several trillion dollars of expenses, not just 2 or 3 times but several times over.",
">\n\nI didn't dispute any of what you said. I pointed out that most people actively contested any safety measure and most people didn't actually lock down. Any extension will almost certainly be the fault of most of those people. \nI'd gladly let them all die if it meant the few people who did take things seriously didn't have to live through a Walking Dead scenario or have to take a huge financial hit because them.",
">\n\nMost people did lock down just fine initially. After a few weeks turned into a month or more, yeah people got testy.\nAdditionally, a gigantic amount of people work in critical industries and simply cant stay home. Just keeping the lights and water on requires tens of millions of workers, plus industries like plants and refineries that simply cannot shut down without massive long-term consequences.\nReddit is full of office people who can WFH, the vast majority of people cant.",
">\n\nI was one of those who couldn't stay home. Right out of the gate most people gave up on almost all of it except when they were making a show of complying when they had to. There was a lot of cheating. I walk through a lot of different areas. The waves of patients and bodies we got at work tracked with that and became predictable.",
">\n\nWhat’s that saying that ends with ”…doomed to repeat it?”",
">\n\nWhy not just require a negative test from everyone?",
">\n\nWho would you expect to pay for that?",
">\n\nGovernments or sponsors from the private sector ideally, I honestly don’t give a fuck. I’ve gotten many free tests from both and I’ve also bought some for like $8.",
">\n\n“Here we go again” from everyone in the comments. \nThe virus never stopped, we did.",
">\n\nVirus will always be there. Permanent restrictions are unsustainable",
">\n\n3 years later...\nIs this permanent?",
">\n\nI doubt there's anything that would make Republicans running in 2024 happier then Democrats advocating for a return to COVID restrictions.",
">\n\nRight? It’d be like the democrats fighting for gun control, or gay and trans rights, or safe and legal abortions. It would be political suicide to stand for something that Republicans don’t like!",
">\n\nMy understanding is that everything you listed is broadly popular or has at least a majority of American's in favor of it. A return to COVID restrictions is not in that category.",
">\n\nGun control isn’t even universally loved amongst the American left, as the hard left needs them for protection from the hard right they clash with, and the middle left does like having their guns taken as much as any middle right wing does, only mid left likes it",
">\n\nGallup has 57% of Americans feeling that in general gun laws should be more strict.",
">\n\nRegular people want kids to stop dying while in school. The problem is \"stricter laws\" is vague and no one can agree on what it means or give a serious proposal that would work, short of confiscation and bans, which are wildly unpopular.",
">\n\nVague political talking points is the best we’re going to get. Much as I’d love a Ross Perot style of breaking down every platform and promise, the general public doesn’t go for it. Buzz words are all we have the attention span for.",
">\n\nChina's COVID-19 surge raises odds of new coronavirus variants\nThings could get very ugly.",
">\n\nYou say this like covid hasn't been spreading rampantly through literally every country on the planet, mostly without any measures to stop the spread. Why does China get a different treatment and maybe countries should require tests from the US or Inida or Europe?",
">\n\nI agree. US was primarily the culprit of why COVID went rampant to begin with. We actively refused to enforce any sort of safety measures, just a mild suggestion of \"maybe wear a mask, if you want to, it's ok if you don't\" and \"we have vaccines if you want one, no pressure tho\". That was really our response to the world's deadliest pandemic.",
">\n\nWe actively made fun of zero covid approaches on reddit and now based on the comments on this thread we are suddenly pro “zero covid” approaches",
">\n\nEveryone finally watched contagion",
">\n\nSo far my 2023 bingo card is reading alooot of skull and crossbones, I think I might actually win at something next year, what does your score card look like?",
">\n\nWhen’s that $1200 going to hit my account?",
">\n\nI’m still living off mine from last time!",
">\n\nI’m still looking for mine",
">\n\nI’m waiting for that $600 bucks from Biden still, but that’s going right into my retirement!",
">\n\nYou dont get he meant to include any money you already received as well /s",
">\n\nI seem to remember campaign ads with $2000 checks.",
">\n\nYep they explicitly mentioned $2,000 checks.",
">\n\nMy comment was sarcasm but in retrospect there are so many neoliberals saying that word for word in all seriousness that I should and will add a sarcasm tag",
">\n\nThat's nice and all, but let's not act like we're not just ignoring our own COVID problems.",
">\n\n\n\"You don't have zero tolerance anymore? We can't tolerate that.\"\n\n- Country with 100% tolerance",
">\n\nWhy not require a negative COVID test from everyone entering the country? It’s like they don’t want COVID to be under control.",
">\n\nI think this is because China has a relatively low vaccination rate because they relied on lock downs. Now that lock downs are being ramped down, they are having a huge surge.",
">\n\nThe vaccination rate in China is considerably higher than the US (92% vs 81%). This is just another example of yellow peril",
">\n\nThank you for pointing this out. What I said above was wrong about the vaccination rate. I don’t know why exactly China is having a surge. 🤷♂️",
">\n\nTheir vaccination rate is high but their vaccine, SinoVac is based on old tech. It conveys effectively zero protection from variants when compared to all the other types of vaccines on the market."
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"Does that thumbnail of someone getting tested read too much like 'screaming uselessly into the void'?"
"I'm sure it'll be fine."
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"People from China will travel through Europe and come in to America from the east coast like they did when the pandemic started. This will do nothing if all travelers aboard aren’t made to test.",
">\n\nLet's hope EU and other countries do the same.",
">\n\nI don't know if they will. Australia (for example) had some of the toughest Covid policies and they've essentially just thrown them all out the window.\nSo I don't know how willing countries are to go back to being overly concerned about Covid.",
">\n\nThey should be concerned w chinese, it's spreading like wildfire in china. If we aren't careful, they will come out w covid 20.",
">\n\nIt’s spreading everywhere including the USA. This policy has nothing to do with science or medicine. It’s just politics.",
">\n\nNo. It’s circulating like mad in a population of 1 billion people who haven’t been exposed before. This is how new variants come about. Every country should require negative Covid test for china at least until it cycles through the population",
">\n\n\nNo. It’s circulating like mad in a population of 1 billion people who haven’t been exposed before.\n\nIt's also spreading like mad in all the countries of the world including the USA.\n\nThis is how new variants come about. \n\nAnd they have been for years now.\n\nEvery country should require negative Covid test for china at least until it cycles through the population\n\nOnly for political reasons. There is no scientific or rational demand for this. \nI get it, you hate china, most americans hate china so just be honest and say what you really mean.",
">\n\nStrains are spreading in the west yes, but there are new strains in China that are spreading and we don't know if our vaccines will work with those strains. We know the Chinese vaccines have a low efficacy rate and we know they are not mRNA vaccines which allow for easier adaptation to new strains. Making travelers with a Chinese passport take Covid tests at any and all airports is not racist or even unfair - a reminder that China has been relatively hard to travel to for the last 2 years because they were locked down to foreign travel as well. This is simply good policy from a public health measure, and you not wanting to see that for what it is and instead attribute it to a nascent American hatred for China is laughable. the World Health Organization estimated close to 800 million new cases in China in the next few months, with another estimate 4 million deaths and countless new strains coming out during that period. This is about protection populations, not punishing China.",
">\n\n\nStrains are spreading in the west yes, but there are new strains in China that are spreading and we don't know if our vaccines will work with those strains.\n\nYou don't know if vaccines work against any new variant even if that variant is from a country populated with white people.\n\nWe know the Chinese vaccines have a low efficacy rate and we know they are not mRNA vaccines which allow for easier adaptation to new strains. \n\nThe vaccine doesn't adapt once inside of your body you know that right?\n\nMaking travelers with a Chinese passport take Covid tests at any and all airports is not racist or even unfair \n\nit's definitely unfair and probably racist as well.\n\nhis is simply good policy from a public health measure, a\n\nA good policy would be to require vaccinations from everybody. Think about it, you are requiring a vaccine that you said doesn't even work. How much sense does that make?\n\nattribute it to a nascent American hatred for China is laughable.\n\nNascent?\n\nThis is about protection populations, not punishing China.\n\nIt's definitely about punishing china, it's a part of the current cold war with China conducted by the USA.",
">\n\n\nYou don't know if vaccines work against any new variant even if that variant is from a country populated with white people.\n\nAll the more reason to not invite more new strains into the country. White population or otherwise has nothing to do with it, expected rise in cases in China does.\n\nThe vaccine doesn't adapt once inside of your body you know that right?\n\nYou missed the point. The point i was making was that the Chinese medical system has not even approached Covid with an mRNA vaccine, and steadfastly refused to license western vaccines. If the vaccine most readily available in China has a 50% efficacy then the population is at more risk of contracting the virus and having negative results. The infection rates are increased with each new case of BA.7 (China is currently seeing each covid patient infecting on average 18 other people represented as 1:18, whereas the in US the rate is 1:3.9). Each of these factors increases the risk of developing new strains that are vaccine resistant. \n\nit's definitely unfair and probably racist as well\n\nIs it your position that nations cannot take any prescriptive action to prevent the spread of infected persons from other countries? Again i would remind you that China has basically been locked down for the last 2 years, with severe limitations to personal freedoms themselves. This is not based on race, but rather a government's inability to contain a contagious outbreak in their own country and not wanting it to spread. \n\nA good policy would be to require vaccinations from everybody. Think about it, you are requiring a vaccine that you said doesn't even work. How much sense does that make?\n\nThat might be your definition on good policy, but it isn't mine and that isn't how the west does it. \"I\" am not requiring a vaccine that \"I\" said doesn't work - that was your suggestion not mine. Also, i said the efficacy of the Chinese vaccine is 50% - based on available information - i never said it didn't work, and i never said that it should be mandatory or required.\n\nNascent?\n\nPoor and wrong word choice on my part it seems. What i meant was ascribing the US decision to require testing of Chinese travelers to racism because you believe that the US is racist is laughable. Taking a test to prove that you are covid negative is far less onerous on a traveler than most visa requirements.\n\nIt's definitely about punishing china, it's a part of the current cold war with China conducted by the USA.\n\nCite your sources. I could point to many Chinese government policies that i could say are part of the current cold war with the US without backing it up and it would be just as credible as what you said. Opinion is not a source, and not proof. You assume that the US government is racist, that this policy is racist and yet we have had travel bans imposed on other countries, as well as testing required for travelers from other countries imposed before, and other policies and so has China. For goodness sake China has been closed to foreigners for almost 3 years, and is still closed to foreign travel until January 2023. Is that a racist policy as well?",
">\n\nHere we go again.\nThis time I think I'll learn French cooking.",
">\n\n5000 People a day will have to die before Anybody says the word Lock down in the States ever again.",
">\n\nDon’t understand why people can’t handle staying at home for two weeks when it could potentially eradicate a deadly virus. Are we that weak?",
">\n\nWe did that in large part in March 2020. And did China not spend years locking down their citizens? \nPeoples savings are gone. They need to work. \nWearing a mask would do a lot to help the issue but people aren’t willing to do that anymore.",
">\n\nWe didn't do that though. We didn't all lock down when we were supposed to. Where I work I had to go in from the very start all the way through. Most people, the majority of people, didn't stay home even if they didn't have work. Most people didn't fuck with masks or keeping a distance, and even people who weren't antivaccers didn't take the vaccine seriously for the longest time. \nWe had no fucking lock down, unless you were a well-off celebrity or comedian who wanted to talk about being locked down for content. \nIf people legit locked down, they would have taken a small hit financially, but too many people didn't do shit and prolonged everything.",
">\n\nThe things is that it doesn't take long to drain peoples saving - becuase the overwhelming majority of people have practically none. \nSo an extended lockdown was never feasible unless the government was willing to pay several trillion dollars of expenses, not just 2 or 3 times but several times over.",
">\n\nI didn't dispute any of what you said. I pointed out that most people actively contested any safety measure and most people didn't actually lock down. Any extension will almost certainly be the fault of most of those people. \nI'd gladly let them all die if it meant the few people who did take things seriously didn't have to live through a Walking Dead scenario or have to take a huge financial hit because them.",
">\n\nMost people did lock down just fine initially. After a few weeks turned into a month or more, yeah people got testy.\nAdditionally, a gigantic amount of people work in critical industries and simply cant stay home. Just keeping the lights and water on requires tens of millions of workers, plus industries like plants and refineries that simply cannot shut down without massive long-term consequences.\nReddit is full of office people who can WFH, the vast majority of people cant.",
">\n\nI was one of those who couldn't stay home. Right out of the gate most people gave up on almost all of it except when they were making a show of complying when they had to. There was a lot of cheating. I walk through a lot of different areas. The waves of patients and bodies we got at work tracked with that and became predictable.",
">\n\nWhat’s that saying that ends with ”…doomed to repeat it?”",
">\n\nWhy not just require a negative test from everyone?",
">\n\nWho would you expect to pay for that?",
">\n\nGovernments or sponsors from the private sector ideally, I honestly don’t give a fuck. I’ve gotten many free tests from both and I’ve also bought some for like $8.",
">\n\n“Here we go again” from everyone in the comments. \nThe virus never stopped, we did.",
">\n\nVirus will always be there. Permanent restrictions are unsustainable",
">\n\n3 years later...\nIs this permanent?",
">\n\nI doubt there's anything that would make Republicans running in 2024 happier then Democrats advocating for a return to COVID restrictions.",
">\n\nRight? It’d be like the democrats fighting for gun control, or gay and trans rights, or safe and legal abortions. It would be political suicide to stand for something that Republicans don’t like!",
">\n\nMy understanding is that everything you listed is broadly popular or has at least a majority of American's in favor of it. A return to COVID restrictions is not in that category.",
">\n\nGun control isn’t even universally loved amongst the American left, as the hard left needs them for protection from the hard right they clash with, and the middle left does like having their guns taken as much as any middle right wing does, only mid left likes it",
">\n\nGallup has 57% of Americans feeling that in general gun laws should be more strict.",
">\n\nRegular people want kids to stop dying while in school. The problem is \"stricter laws\" is vague and no one can agree on what it means or give a serious proposal that would work, short of confiscation and bans, which are wildly unpopular.",
">\n\nVague political talking points is the best we’re going to get. Much as I’d love a Ross Perot style of breaking down every platform and promise, the general public doesn’t go for it. Buzz words are all we have the attention span for.",
">\n\nChina's COVID-19 surge raises odds of new coronavirus variants\nThings could get very ugly.",
">\n\nYou say this like covid hasn't been spreading rampantly through literally every country on the planet, mostly without any measures to stop the spread. Why does China get a different treatment and maybe countries should require tests from the US or Inida or Europe?",
">\n\nI agree. US was primarily the culprit of why COVID went rampant to begin with. We actively refused to enforce any sort of safety measures, just a mild suggestion of \"maybe wear a mask, if you want to, it's ok if you don't\" and \"we have vaccines if you want one, no pressure tho\". That was really our response to the world's deadliest pandemic.",
">\n\nWe actively made fun of zero covid approaches on reddit and now based on the comments on this thread we are suddenly pro “zero covid” approaches",
">\n\nEveryone finally watched contagion",
">\n\nSo far my 2023 bingo card is reading alooot of skull and crossbones, I think I might actually win at something next year, what does your score card look like?",
">\n\nWhen’s that $1200 going to hit my account?",
">\n\nI’m still living off mine from last time!",
">\n\nI’m still looking for mine",
">\n\nI’m waiting for that $600 bucks from Biden still, but that’s going right into my retirement!",
">\n\nYou dont get he meant to include any money you already received as well /s",
">\n\nI seem to remember campaign ads with $2000 checks.",
">\n\nYep they explicitly mentioned $2,000 checks.",
">\n\nMy comment was sarcasm but in retrospect there are so many neoliberals saying that word for word in all seriousness that I should and will add a sarcasm tag",
">\n\nThat's nice and all, but let's not act like we're not just ignoring our own COVID problems.",
">\n\n\n\"You don't have zero tolerance anymore? We can't tolerate that.\"\n\n- Country with 100% tolerance",
">\n\nWhy not require a negative COVID test from everyone entering the country? It’s like they don’t want COVID to be under control.",
">\n\nI think this is because China has a relatively low vaccination rate because they relied on lock downs. Now that lock downs are being ramped down, they are having a huge surge.",
">\n\nThe vaccination rate in China is considerably higher than the US (92% vs 81%). This is just another example of yellow peril",
">\n\nThank you for pointing this out. What I said above was wrong about the vaccination rate. I don’t know why exactly China is having a surge. 🤷♂️",
">\n\nTheir vaccination rate is high but their vaccine, SinoVac is based on old tech. It conveys effectively zero protection from variants when compared to all the other types of vaccines on the market.",
">\n\nYou guys are so full of shit. At 3 doses Sinovac gives the same protection as any western vaccine with boosters to help mitigate mutated variants. Stop spreading misinfo."
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Maybe, just maybe they shouldnt have stopped testing airplane passengers in the first place...
We have cheap, readily available tests that take 10 minutes to complete. There’s really no reason not to test ever passenger before boarding...
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"People from China will travel through Europe and come in to America from the east coast like they did when the pandemic started. This will do nothing if all travelers aboard aren’t made to test.",
">\n\nLet's hope EU and other countries do the same.",
">\n\nI don't know if they will. Australia (for example) had some of the toughest Covid policies and they've essentially just thrown them all out the window.\nSo I don't know how willing countries are to go back to being overly concerned about Covid.",
">\n\nThey should be concerned w chinese, it's spreading like wildfire in china. If we aren't careful, they will come out w covid 20.",
">\n\nIt’s spreading everywhere including the USA. This policy has nothing to do with science or medicine. It’s just politics.",
">\n\nNo. It’s circulating like mad in a population of 1 billion people who haven’t been exposed before. This is how new variants come about. Every country should require negative Covid test for china at least until it cycles through the population",
">\n\n\nNo. It’s circulating like mad in a population of 1 billion people who haven’t been exposed before.\n\nIt's also spreading like mad in all the countries of the world including the USA.\n\nThis is how new variants come about. \n\nAnd they have been for years now.\n\nEvery country should require negative Covid test for china at least until it cycles through the population\n\nOnly for political reasons. There is no scientific or rational demand for this. \nI get it, you hate china, most americans hate china so just be honest and say what you really mean.",
">\n\nStrains are spreading in the west yes, but there are new strains in China that are spreading and we don't know if our vaccines will work with those strains. We know the Chinese vaccines have a low efficacy rate and we know they are not mRNA vaccines which allow for easier adaptation to new strains. Making travelers with a Chinese passport take Covid tests at any and all airports is not racist or even unfair - a reminder that China has been relatively hard to travel to for the last 2 years because they were locked down to foreign travel as well. This is simply good policy from a public health measure, and you not wanting to see that for what it is and instead attribute it to a nascent American hatred for China is laughable. the World Health Organization estimated close to 800 million new cases in China in the next few months, with another estimate 4 million deaths and countless new strains coming out during that period. This is about protection populations, not punishing China.",
">\n\n\nStrains are spreading in the west yes, but there are new strains in China that are spreading and we don't know if our vaccines will work with those strains.\n\nYou don't know if vaccines work against any new variant even if that variant is from a country populated with white people.\n\nWe know the Chinese vaccines have a low efficacy rate and we know they are not mRNA vaccines which allow for easier adaptation to new strains. \n\nThe vaccine doesn't adapt once inside of your body you know that right?\n\nMaking travelers with a Chinese passport take Covid tests at any and all airports is not racist or even unfair \n\nit's definitely unfair and probably racist as well.\n\nhis is simply good policy from a public health measure, a\n\nA good policy would be to require vaccinations from everybody. Think about it, you are requiring a vaccine that you said doesn't even work. How much sense does that make?\n\nattribute it to a nascent American hatred for China is laughable.\n\nNascent?\n\nThis is about protection populations, not punishing China.\n\nIt's definitely about punishing china, it's a part of the current cold war with China conducted by the USA.",
">\n\n\nYou don't know if vaccines work against any new variant even if that variant is from a country populated with white people.\n\nAll the more reason to not invite more new strains into the country. White population or otherwise has nothing to do with it, expected rise in cases in China does.\n\nThe vaccine doesn't adapt once inside of your body you know that right?\n\nYou missed the point. The point i was making was that the Chinese medical system has not even approached Covid with an mRNA vaccine, and steadfastly refused to license western vaccines. If the vaccine most readily available in China has a 50% efficacy then the population is at more risk of contracting the virus and having negative results. The infection rates are increased with each new case of BA.7 (China is currently seeing each covid patient infecting on average 18 other people represented as 1:18, whereas the in US the rate is 1:3.9). Each of these factors increases the risk of developing new strains that are vaccine resistant. \n\nit's definitely unfair and probably racist as well\n\nIs it your position that nations cannot take any prescriptive action to prevent the spread of infected persons from other countries? Again i would remind you that China has basically been locked down for the last 2 years, with severe limitations to personal freedoms themselves. This is not based on race, but rather a government's inability to contain a contagious outbreak in their own country and not wanting it to spread. \n\nA good policy would be to require vaccinations from everybody. Think about it, you are requiring a vaccine that you said doesn't even work. How much sense does that make?\n\nThat might be your definition on good policy, but it isn't mine and that isn't how the west does it. \"I\" am not requiring a vaccine that \"I\" said doesn't work - that was your suggestion not mine. Also, i said the efficacy of the Chinese vaccine is 50% - based on available information - i never said it didn't work, and i never said that it should be mandatory or required.\n\nNascent?\n\nPoor and wrong word choice on my part it seems. What i meant was ascribing the US decision to require testing of Chinese travelers to racism because you believe that the US is racist is laughable. Taking a test to prove that you are covid negative is far less onerous on a traveler than most visa requirements.\n\nIt's definitely about punishing china, it's a part of the current cold war with China conducted by the USA.\n\nCite your sources. I could point to many Chinese government policies that i could say are part of the current cold war with the US without backing it up and it would be just as credible as what you said. Opinion is not a source, and not proof. You assume that the US government is racist, that this policy is racist and yet we have had travel bans imposed on other countries, as well as testing required for travelers from other countries imposed before, and other policies and so has China. For goodness sake China has been closed to foreigners for almost 3 years, and is still closed to foreign travel until January 2023. Is that a racist policy as well?",
">\n\nHere we go again.\nThis time I think I'll learn French cooking.",
">\n\n5000 People a day will have to die before Anybody says the word Lock down in the States ever again.",
">\n\nDon’t understand why people can’t handle staying at home for two weeks when it could potentially eradicate a deadly virus. Are we that weak?",
">\n\nWe did that in large part in March 2020. And did China not spend years locking down their citizens? \nPeoples savings are gone. They need to work. \nWearing a mask would do a lot to help the issue but people aren’t willing to do that anymore.",
">\n\nWe didn't do that though. We didn't all lock down when we were supposed to. Where I work I had to go in from the very start all the way through. Most people, the majority of people, didn't stay home even if they didn't have work. Most people didn't fuck with masks or keeping a distance, and even people who weren't antivaccers didn't take the vaccine seriously for the longest time. \nWe had no fucking lock down, unless you were a well-off celebrity or comedian who wanted to talk about being locked down for content. \nIf people legit locked down, they would have taken a small hit financially, but too many people didn't do shit and prolonged everything.",
">\n\nThe things is that it doesn't take long to drain peoples saving - becuase the overwhelming majority of people have practically none. \nSo an extended lockdown was never feasible unless the government was willing to pay several trillion dollars of expenses, not just 2 or 3 times but several times over.",
">\n\nI didn't dispute any of what you said. I pointed out that most people actively contested any safety measure and most people didn't actually lock down. Any extension will almost certainly be the fault of most of those people. \nI'd gladly let them all die if it meant the few people who did take things seriously didn't have to live through a Walking Dead scenario or have to take a huge financial hit because them.",
">\n\nMost people did lock down just fine initially. After a few weeks turned into a month or more, yeah people got testy.\nAdditionally, a gigantic amount of people work in critical industries and simply cant stay home. Just keeping the lights and water on requires tens of millions of workers, plus industries like plants and refineries that simply cannot shut down without massive long-term consequences.\nReddit is full of office people who can WFH, the vast majority of people cant.",
">\n\nI was one of those who couldn't stay home. Right out of the gate most people gave up on almost all of it except when they were making a show of complying when they had to. There was a lot of cheating. I walk through a lot of different areas. The waves of patients and bodies we got at work tracked with that and became predictable.",
">\n\nWhat’s that saying that ends with ”…doomed to repeat it?”",
">\n\nWhy not just require a negative test from everyone?",
">\n\nWho would you expect to pay for that?",
">\n\nGovernments or sponsors from the private sector ideally, I honestly don’t give a fuck. I’ve gotten many free tests from both and I’ve also bought some for like $8.",
">\n\n“Here we go again” from everyone in the comments. \nThe virus never stopped, we did.",
">\n\nVirus will always be there. Permanent restrictions are unsustainable",
">\n\n3 years later...\nIs this permanent?",
">\n\nI doubt there's anything that would make Republicans running in 2024 happier then Democrats advocating for a return to COVID restrictions.",
">\n\nRight? It’d be like the democrats fighting for gun control, or gay and trans rights, or safe and legal abortions. It would be political suicide to stand for something that Republicans don’t like!",
">\n\nMy understanding is that everything you listed is broadly popular or has at least a majority of American's in favor of it. A return to COVID restrictions is not in that category.",
">\n\nGun control isn’t even universally loved amongst the American left, as the hard left needs them for protection from the hard right they clash with, and the middle left does like having their guns taken as much as any middle right wing does, only mid left likes it",
">\n\nGallup has 57% of Americans feeling that in general gun laws should be more strict.",
">\n\nRegular people want kids to stop dying while in school. The problem is \"stricter laws\" is vague and no one can agree on what it means or give a serious proposal that would work, short of confiscation and bans, which are wildly unpopular.",
">\n\nVague political talking points is the best we’re going to get. Much as I’d love a Ross Perot style of breaking down every platform and promise, the general public doesn’t go for it. Buzz words are all we have the attention span for.",
">\n\nChina's COVID-19 surge raises odds of new coronavirus variants\nThings could get very ugly.",
">\n\nYou say this like covid hasn't been spreading rampantly through literally every country on the planet, mostly without any measures to stop the spread. Why does China get a different treatment and maybe countries should require tests from the US or Inida or Europe?",
">\n\nI agree. US was primarily the culprit of why COVID went rampant to begin with. We actively refused to enforce any sort of safety measures, just a mild suggestion of \"maybe wear a mask, if you want to, it's ok if you don't\" and \"we have vaccines if you want one, no pressure tho\". That was really our response to the world's deadliest pandemic.",
">\n\nWe actively made fun of zero covid approaches on reddit and now based on the comments on this thread we are suddenly pro “zero covid” approaches",
">\n\nEveryone finally watched contagion",
">\n\nSo far my 2023 bingo card is reading alooot of skull and crossbones, I think I might actually win at something next year, what does your score card look like?",
">\n\nWhen’s that $1200 going to hit my account?",
">\n\nI’m still living off mine from last time!",
">\n\nI’m still looking for mine",
">\n\nI’m waiting for that $600 bucks from Biden still, but that’s going right into my retirement!",
">\n\nYou dont get he meant to include any money you already received as well /s",
">\n\nI seem to remember campaign ads with $2000 checks.",
">\n\nYep they explicitly mentioned $2,000 checks.",
">\n\nMy comment was sarcasm but in retrospect there are so many neoliberals saying that word for word in all seriousness that I should and will add a sarcasm tag",
">\n\nThat's nice and all, but let's not act like we're not just ignoring our own COVID problems.",
">\n\n\n\"You don't have zero tolerance anymore? We can't tolerate that.\"\n\n- Country with 100% tolerance",
">\n\nWhy not require a negative COVID test from everyone entering the country? It’s like they don’t want COVID to be under control.",
">\n\nI think this is because China has a relatively low vaccination rate because they relied on lock downs. Now that lock downs are being ramped down, they are having a huge surge.",
">\n\nThe vaccination rate in China is considerably higher than the US (92% vs 81%). This is just another example of yellow peril",
">\n\nThank you for pointing this out. What I said above was wrong about the vaccination rate. I don’t know why exactly China is having a surge. 🤷♂️",
">\n\nTheir vaccination rate is high but their vaccine, SinoVac is based on old tech. It conveys effectively zero protection from variants when compared to all the other types of vaccines on the market.",
">\n\nYou guys are so full of shit. At 3 doses Sinovac gives the same protection as any western vaccine with boosters to help mitigate mutated variants. Stop spreading misinfo.",
">\n\n\"Does that thumbnail of someone getting tested read too much like 'screaming uselessly into the void'?\"\n\"I'm sure it'll be fine.\""
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Everyone I know who had Omicron tested negative until their symptoms cleared. It was evading the RATs, for some reason.
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"People from China will travel through Europe and come in to America from the east coast like they did when the pandemic started. This will do nothing if all travelers aboard aren’t made to test.",
">\n\nLet's hope EU and other countries do the same.",
">\n\nI don't know if they will. Australia (for example) had some of the toughest Covid policies and they've essentially just thrown them all out the window.\nSo I don't know how willing countries are to go back to being overly concerned about Covid.",
">\n\nThey should be concerned w chinese, it's spreading like wildfire in china. If we aren't careful, they will come out w covid 20.",
">\n\nIt’s spreading everywhere including the USA. This policy has nothing to do with science or medicine. It’s just politics.",
">\n\nNo. It’s circulating like mad in a population of 1 billion people who haven’t been exposed before. This is how new variants come about. Every country should require negative Covid test for china at least until it cycles through the population",
">\n\n\nNo. It’s circulating like mad in a population of 1 billion people who haven’t been exposed before.\n\nIt's also spreading like mad in all the countries of the world including the USA.\n\nThis is how new variants come about. \n\nAnd they have been for years now.\n\nEvery country should require negative Covid test for china at least until it cycles through the population\n\nOnly for political reasons. There is no scientific or rational demand for this. \nI get it, you hate china, most americans hate china so just be honest and say what you really mean.",
">\n\nStrains are spreading in the west yes, but there are new strains in China that are spreading and we don't know if our vaccines will work with those strains. We know the Chinese vaccines have a low efficacy rate and we know they are not mRNA vaccines which allow for easier adaptation to new strains. Making travelers with a Chinese passport take Covid tests at any and all airports is not racist or even unfair - a reminder that China has been relatively hard to travel to for the last 2 years because they were locked down to foreign travel as well. This is simply good policy from a public health measure, and you not wanting to see that for what it is and instead attribute it to a nascent American hatred for China is laughable. the World Health Organization estimated close to 800 million new cases in China in the next few months, with another estimate 4 million deaths and countless new strains coming out during that period. This is about protection populations, not punishing China.",
">\n\n\nStrains are spreading in the west yes, but there are new strains in China that are spreading and we don't know if our vaccines will work with those strains.\n\nYou don't know if vaccines work against any new variant even if that variant is from a country populated with white people.\n\nWe know the Chinese vaccines have a low efficacy rate and we know they are not mRNA vaccines which allow for easier adaptation to new strains. \n\nThe vaccine doesn't adapt once inside of your body you know that right?\n\nMaking travelers with a Chinese passport take Covid tests at any and all airports is not racist or even unfair \n\nit's definitely unfair and probably racist as well.\n\nhis is simply good policy from a public health measure, a\n\nA good policy would be to require vaccinations from everybody. Think about it, you are requiring a vaccine that you said doesn't even work. How much sense does that make?\n\nattribute it to a nascent American hatred for China is laughable.\n\nNascent?\n\nThis is about protection populations, not punishing China.\n\nIt's definitely about punishing china, it's a part of the current cold war with China conducted by the USA.",
">\n\n\nYou don't know if vaccines work against any new variant even if that variant is from a country populated with white people.\n\nAll the more reason to not invite more new strains into the country. White population or otherwise has nothing to do with it, expected rise in cases in China does.\n\nThe vaccine doesn't adapt once inside of your body you know that right?\n\nYou missed the point. The point i was making was that the Chinese medical system has not even approached Covid with an mRNA vaccine, and steadfastly refused to license western vaccines. If the vaccine most readily available in China has a 50% efficacy then the population is at more risk of contracting the virus and having negative results. The infection rates are increased with each new case of BA.7 (China is currently seeing each covid patient infecting on average 18 other people represented as 1:18, whereas the in US the rate is 1:3.9). Each of these factors increases the risk of developing new strains that are vaccine resistant. \n\nit's definitely unfair and probably racist as well\n\nIs it your position that nations cannot take any prescriptive action to prevent the spread of infected persons from other countries? Again i would remind you that China has basically been locked down for the last 2 years, with severe limitations to personal freedoms themselves. This is not based on race, but rather a government's inability to contain a contagious outbreak in their own country and not wanting it to spread. \n\nA good policy would be to require vaccinations from everybody. Think about it, you are requiring a vaccine that you said doesn't even work. How much sense does that make?\n\nThat might be your definition on good policy, but it isn't mine and that isn't how the west does it. \"I\" am not requiring a vaccine that \"I\" said doesn't work - that was your suggestion not mine. Also, i said the efficacy of the Chinese vaccine is 50% - based on available information - i never said it didn't work, and i never said that it should be mandatory or required.\n\nNascent?\n\nPoor and wrong word choice on my part it seems. What i meant was ascribing the US decision to require testing of Chinese travelers to racism because you believe that the US is racist is laughable. Taking a test to prove that you are covid negative is far less onerous on a traveler than most visa requirements.\n\nIt's definitely about punishing china, it's a part of the current cold war with China conducted by the USA.\n\nCite your sources. I could point to many Chinese government policies that i could say are part of the current cold war with the US without backing it up and it would be just as credible as what you said. Opinion is not a source, and not proof. You assume that the US government is racist, that this policy is racist and yet we have had travel bans imposed on other countries, as well as testing required for travelers from other countries imposed before, and other policies and so has China. For goodness sake China has been closed to foreigners for almost 3 years, and is still closed to foreign travel until January 2023. Is that a racist policy as well?",
">\n\nHere we go again.\nThis time I think I'll learn French cooking.",
">\n\n5000 People a day will have to die before Anybody says the word Lock down in the States ever again.",
">\n\nDon’t understand why people can’t handle staying at home for two weeks when it could potentially eradicate a deadly virus. Are we that weak?",
">\n\nWe did that in large part in March 2020. And did China not spend years locking down their citizens? \nPeoples savings are gone. They need to work. \nWearing a mask would do a lot to help the issue but people aren’t willing to do that anymore.",
">\n\nWe didn't do that though. We didn't all lock down when we were supposed to. Where I work I had to go in from the very start all the way through. Most people, the majority of people, didn't stay home even if they didn't have work. Most people didn't fuck with masks or keeping a distance, and even people who weren't antivaccers didn't take the vaccine seriously for the longest time. \nWe had no fucking lock down, unless you were a well-off celebrity or comedian who wanted to talk about being locked down for content. \nIf people legit locked down, they would have taken a small hit financially, but too many people didn't do shit and prolonged everything.",
">\n\nThe things is that it doesn't take long to drain peoples saving - becuase the overwhelming majority of people have practically none. \nSo an extended lockdown was never feasible unless the government was willing to pay several trillion dollars of expenses, not just 2 or 3 times but several times over.",
">\n\nI didn't dispute any of what you said. I pointed out that most people actively contested any safety measure and most people didn't actually lock down. Any extension will almost certainly be the fault of most of those people. \nI'd gladly let them all die if it meant the few people who did take things seriously didn't have to live through a Walking Dead scenario or have to take a huge financial hit because them.",
">\n\nMost people did lock down just fine initially. After a few weeks turned into a month or more, yeah people got testy.\nAdditionally, a gigantic amount of people work in critical industries and simply cant stay home. Just keeping the lights and water on requires tens of millions of workers, plus industries like plants and refineries that simply cannot shut down without massive long-term consequences.\nReddit is full of office people who can WFH, the vast majority of people cant.",
">\n\nI was one of those who couldn't stay home. Right out of the gate most people gave up on almost all of it except when they were making a show of complying when they had to. There was a lot of cheating. I walk through a lot of different areas. The waves of patients and bodies we got at work tracked with that and became predictable.",
">\n\nWhat’s that saying that ends with ”…doomed to repeat it?”",
">\n\nWhy not just require a negative test from everyone?",
">\n\nWho would you expect to pay for that?",
">\n\nGovernments or sponsors from the private sector ideally, I honestly don’t give a fuck. I’ve gotten many free tests from both and I’ve also bought some for like $8.",
">\n\n“Here we go again” from everyone in the comments. \nThe virus never stopped, we did.",
">\n\nVirus will always be there. Permanent restrictions are unsustainable",
">\n\n3 years later...\nIs this permanent?",
">\n\nI doubt there's anything that would make Republicans running in 2024 happier then Democrats advocating for a return to COVID restrictions.",
">\n\nRight? It’d be like the democrats fighting for gun control, or gay and trans rights, or safe and legal abortions. It would be political suicide to stand for something that Republicans don’t like!",
">\n\nMy understanding is that everything you listed is broadly popular or has at least a majority of American's in favor of it. A return to COVID restrictions is not in that category.",
">\n\nGun control isn’t even universally loved amongst the American left, as the hard left needs them for protection from the hard right they clash with, and the middle left does like having their guns taken as much as any middle right wing does, only mid left likes it",
">\n\nGallup has 57% of Americans feeling that in general gun laws should be more strict.",
">\n\nRegular people want kids to stop dying while in school. The problem is \"stricter laws\" is vague and no one can agree on what it means or give a serious proposal that would work, short of confiscation and bans, which are wildly unpopular.",
">\n\nVague political talking points is the best we’re going to get. Much as I’d love a Ross Perot style of breaking down every platform and promise, the general public doesn’t go for it. Buzz words are all we have the attention span for.",
">\n\nChina's COVID-19 surge raises odds of new coronavirus variants\nThings could get very ugly.",
">\n\nYou say this like covid hasn't been spreading rampantly through literally every country on the planet, mostly without any measures to stop the spread. Why does China get a different treatment and maybe countries should require tests from the US or Inida or Europe?",
">\n\nI agree. US was primarily the culprit of why COVID went rampant to begin with. We actively refused to enforce any sort of safety measures, just a mild suggestion of \"maybe wear a mask, if you want to, it's ok if you don't\" and \"we have vaccines if you want one, no pressure tho\". That was really our response to the world's deadliest pandemic.",
">\n\nWe actively made fun of zero covid approaches on reddit and now based on the comments on this thread we are suddenly pro “zero covid” approaches",
">\n\nEveryone finally watched contagion",
">\n\nSo far my 2023 bingo card is reading alooot of skull and crossbones, I think I might actually win at something next year, what does your score card look like?",
">\n\nWhen’s that $1200 going to hit my account?",
">\n\nI’m still living off mine from last time!",
">\n\nI’m still looking for mine",
">\n\nI’m waiting for that $600 bucks from Biden still, but that’s going right into my retirement!",
">\n\nYou dont get he meant to include any money you already received as well /s",
">\n\nI seem to remember campaign ads with $2000 checks.",
">\n\nYep they explicitly mentioned $2,000 checks.",
">\n\nMy comment was sarcasm but in retrospect there are so many neoliberals saying that word for word in all seriousness that I should and will add a sarcasm tag",
">\n\nThat's nice and all, but let's not act like we're not just ignoring our own COVID problems.",
">\n\n\n\"You don't have zero tolerance anymore? We can't tolerate that.\"\n\n- Country with 100% tolerance",
">\n\nWhy not require a negative COVID test from everyone entering the country? It’s like they don’t want COVID to be under control.",
">\n\nI think this is because China has a relatively low vaccination rate because they relied on lock downs. Now that lock downs are being ramped down, they are having a huge surge.",
">\n\nThe vaccination rate in China is considerably higher than the US (92% vs 81%). This is just another example of yellow peril",
">\n\nThank you for pointing this out. What I said above was wrong about the vaccination rate. I don’t know why exactly China is having a surge. 🤷♂️",
">\n\nTheir vaccination rate is high but their vaccine, SinoVac is based on old tech. It conveys effectively zero protection from variants when compared to all the other types of vaccines on the market.",
">\n\nYou guys are so full of shit. At 3 doses Sinovac gives the same protection as any western vaccine with boosters to help mitigate mutated variants. Stop spreading misinfo.",
">\n\n\"Does that thumbnail of someone getting tested read too much like 'screaming uselessly into the void'?\"\n\"I'm sure it'll be fine.\"",
">\n\nMaybe, just maybe they shouldnt have stopped testing airplane passengers in the first place... \nWe have cheap, readily available tests that take 10 minutes to complete. There’s really no reason not to test ever passenger before boarding..."
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I tested positive on a rapid test two days after getting congested. Every teacher coworker of mine who bothered to test after getting cold symptoms also did. I think it's why so few parents now test their kids before sending time to school sick. They don't want to know so we all find out when we or our family members then test positive, missing work on their sick kids' behalf so they didn't have to.
I have also heard the rapid test can give false negatives but anecdotal references don't mean much.
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"People from China will travel through Europe and come in to America from the east coast like they did when the pandemic started. This will do nothing if all travelers aboard aren’t made to test.",
">\n\nLet's hope EU and other countries do the same.",
">\n\nI don't know if they will. Australia (for example) had some of the toughest Covid policies and they've essentially just thrown them all out the window.\nSo I don't know how willing countries are to go back to being overly concerned about Covid.",
">\n\nThey should be concerned w chinese, it's spreading like wildfire in china. If we aren't careful, they will come out w covid 20.",
">\n\nIt’s spreading everywhere including the USA. This policy has nothing to do with science or medicine. It’s just politics.",
">\n\nNo. It’s circulating like mad in a population of 1 billion people who haven’t been exposed before. This is how new variants come about. Every country should require negative Covid test for china at least until it cycles through the population",
">\n\n\nNo. It’s circulating like mad in a population of 1 billion people who haven’t been exposed before.\n\nIt's also spreading like mad in all the countries of the world including the USA.\n\nThis is how new variants come about. \n\nAnd they have been for years now.\n\nEvery country should require negative Covid test for china at least until it cycles through the population\n\nOnly for political reasons. There is no scientific or rational demand for this. \nI get it, you hate china, most americans hate china so just be honest and say what you really mean.",
">\n\nStrains are spreading in the west yes, but there are new strains in China that are spreading and we don't know if our vaccines will work with those strains. We know the Chinese vaccines have a low efficacy rate and we know they are not mRNA vaccines which allow for easier adaptation to new strains. Making travelers with a Chinese passport take Covid tests at any and all airports is not racist or even unfair - a reminder that China has been relatively hard to travel to for the last 2 years because they were locked down to foreign travel as well. This is simply good policy from a public health measure, and you not wanting to see that for what it is and instead attribute it to a nascent American hatred for China is laughable. the World Health Organization estimated close to 800 million new cases in China in the next few months, with another estimate 4 million deaths and countless new strains coming out during that period. This is about protection populations, not punishing China.",
">\n\n\nStrains are spreading in the west yes, but there are new strains in China that are spreading and we don't know if our vaccines will work with those strains.\n\nYou don't know if vaccines work against any new variant even if that variant is from a country populated with white people.\n\nWe know the Chinese vaccines have a low efficacy rate and we know they are not mRNA vaccines which allow for easier adaptation to new strains. \n\nThe vaccine doesn't adapt once inside of your body you know that right?\n\nMaking travelers with a Chinese passport take Covid tests at any and all airports is not racist or even unfair \n\nit's definitely unfair and probably racist as well.\n\nhis is simply good policy from a public health measure, a\n\nA good policy would be to require vaccinations from everybody. Think about it, you are requiring a vaccine that you said doesn't even work. How much sense does that make?\n\nattribute it to a nascent American hatred for China is laughable.\n\nNascent?\n\nThis is about protection populations, not punishing China.\n\nIt's definitely about punishing china, it's a part of the current cold war with China conducted by the USA.",
">\n\n\nYou don't know if vaccines work against any new variant even if that variant is from a country populated with white people.\n\nAll the more reason to not invite more new strains into the country. White population or otherwise has nothing to do with it, expected rise in cases in China does.\n\nThe vaccine doesn't adapt once inside of your body you know that right?\n\nYou missed the point. The point i was making was that the Chinese medical system has not even approached Covid with an mRNA vaccine, and steadfastly refused to license western vaccines. If the vaccine most readily available in China has a 50% efficacy then the population is at more risk of contracting the virus and having negative results. The infection rates are increased with each new case of BA.7 (China is currently seeing each covid patient infecting on average 18 other people represented as 1:18, whereas the in US the rate is 1:3.9). Each of these factors increases the risk of developing new strains that are vaccine resistant. \n\nit's definitely unfair and probably racist as well\n\nIs it your position that nations cannot take any prescriptive action to prevent the spread of infected persons from other countries? Again i would remind you that China has basically been locked down for the last 2 years, with severe limitations to personal freedoms themselves. This is not based on race, but rather a government's inability to contain a contagious outbreak in their own country and not wanting it to spread. \n\nA good policy would be to require vaccinations from everybody. Think about it, you are requiring a vaccine that you said doesn't even work. How much sense does that make?\n\nThat might be your definition on good policy, but it isn't mine and that isn't how the west does it. \"I\" am not requiring a vaccine that \"I\" said doesn't work - that was your suggestion not mine. Also, i said the efficacy of the Chinese vaccine is 50% - based on available information - i never said it didn't work, and i never said that it should be mandatory or required.\n\nNascent?\n\nPoor and wrong word choice on my part it seems. What i meant was ascribing the US decision to require testing of Chinese travelers to racism because you believe that the US is racist is laughable. Taking a test to prove that you are covid negative is far less onerous on a traveler than most visa requirements.\n\nIt's definitely about punishing china, it's a part of the current cold war with China conducted by the USA.\n\nCite your sources. I could point to many Chinese government policies that i could say are part of the current cold war with the US without backing it up and it would be just as credible as what you said. Opinion is not a source, and not proof. You assume that the US government is racist, that this policy is racist and yet we have had travel bans imposed on other countries, as well as testing required for travelers from other countries imposed before, and other policies and so has China. For goodness sake China has been closed to foreigners for almost 3 years, and is still closed to foreign travel until January 2023. Is that a racist policy as well?",
">\n\nHere we go again.\nThis time I think I'll learn French cooking.",
">\n\n5000 People a day will have to die before Anybody says the word Lock down in the States ever again.",
">\n\nDon’t understand why people can’t handle staying at home for two weeks when it could potentially eradicate a deadly virus. Are we that weak?",
">\n\nWe did that in large part in March 2020. And did China not spend years locking down their citizens? \nPeoples savings are gone. They need to work. \nWearing a mask would do a lot to help the issue but people aren’t willing to do that anymore.",
">\n\nWe didn't do that though. We didn't all lock down when we were supposed to. Where I work I had to go in from the very start all the way through. Most people, the majority of people, didn't stay home even if they didn't have work. Most people didn't fuck with masks or keeping a distance, and even people who weren't antivaccers didn't take the vaccine seriously for the longest time. \nWe had no fucking lock down, unless you were a well-off celebrity or comedian who wanted to talk about being locked down for content. \nIf people legit locked down, they would have taken a small hit financially, but too many people didn't do shit and prolonged everything.",
">\n\nThe things is that it doesn't take long to drain peoples saving - becuase the overwhelming majority of people have practically none. \nSo an extended lockdown was never feasible unless the government was willing to pay several trillion dollars of expenses, not just 2 or 3 times but several times over.",
">\n\nI didn't dispute any of what you said. I pointed out that most people actively contested any safety measure and most people didn't actually lock down. Any extension will almost certainly be the fault of most of those people. \nI'd gladly let them all die if it meant the few people who did take things seriously didn't have to live through a Walking Dead scenario or have to take a huge financial hit because them.",
">\n\nMost people did lock down just fine initially. After a few weeks turned into a month or more, yeah people got testy.\nAdditionally, a gigantic amount of people work in critical industries and simply cant stay home. Just keeping the lights and water on requires tens of millions of workers, plus industries like plants and refineries that simply cannot shut down without massive long-term consequences.\nReddit is full of office people who can WFH, the vast majority of people cant.",
">\n\nI was one of those who couldn't stay home. Right out of the gate most people gave up on almost all of it except when they were making a show of complying when they had to. There was a lot of cheating. I walk through a lot of different areas. The waves of patients and bodies we got at work tracked with that and became predictable.",
">\n\nWhat’s that saying that ends with ”…doomed to repeat it?”",
">\n\nWhy not just require a negative test from everyone?",
">\n\nWho would you expect to pay for that?",
">\n\nGovernments or sponsors from the private sector ideally, I honestly don’t give a fuck. I’ve gotten many free tests from both and I’ve also bought some for like $8.",
">\n\n“Here we go again” from everyone in the comments. \nThe virus never stopped, we did.",
">\n\nVirus will always be there. Permanent restrictions are unsustainable",
">\n\n3 years later...\nIs this permanent?",
">\n\nI doubt there's anything that would make Republicans running in 2024 happier then Democrats advocating for a return to COVID restrictions.",
">\n\nRight? It’d be like the democrats fighting for gun control, or gay and trans rights, or safe and legal abortions. It would be political suicide to stand for something that Republicans don’t like!",
">\n\nMy understanding is that everything you listed is broadly popular or has at least a majority of American's in favor of it. A return to COVID restrictions is not in that category.",
">\n\nGun control isn’t even universally loved amongst the American left, as the hard left needs them for protection from the hard right they clash with, and the middle left does like having their guns taken as much as any middle right wing does, only mid left likes it",
">\n\nGallup has 57% of Americans feeling that in general gun laws should be more strict.",
">\n\nRegular people want kids to stop dying while in school. The problem is \"stricter laws\" is vague and no one can agree on what it means or give a serious proposal that would work, short of confiscation and bans, which are wildly unpopular.",
">\n\nVague political talking points is the best we’re going to get. Much as I’d love a Ross Perot style of breaking down every platform and promise, the general public doesn’t go for it. Buzz words are all we have the attention span for.",
">\n\nChina's COVID-19 surge raises odds of new coronavirus variants\nThings could get very ugly.",
">\n\nYou say this like covid hasn't been spreading rampantly through literally every country on the planet, mostly without any measures to stop the spread. Why does China get a different treatment and maybe countries should require tests from the US or Inida or Europe?",
">\n\nI agree. US was primarily the culprit of why COVID went rampant to begin with. We actively refused to enforce any sort of safety measures, just a mild suggestion of \"maybe wear a mask, if you want to, it's ok if you don't\" and \"we have vaccines if you want one, no pressure tho\". That was really our response to the world's deadliest pandemic.",
">\n\nWe actively made fun of zero covid approaches on reddit and now based on the comments on this thread we are suddenly pro “zero covid” approaches",
">\n\nEveryone finally watched contagion",
">\n\nSo far my 2023 bingo card is reading alooot of skull and crossbones, I think I might actually win at something next year, what does your score card look like?",
">\n\nWhen’s that $1200 going to hit my account?",
">\n\nI’m still living off mine from last time!",
">\n\nI’m still looking for mine",
">\n\nI’m waiting for that $600 bucks from Biden still, but that’s going right into my retirement!",
">\n\nYou dont get he meant to include any money you already received as well /s",
">\n\nI seem to remember campaign ads with $2000 checks.",
">\n\nYep they explicitly mentioned $2,000 checks.",
">\n\nMy comment was sarcasm but in retrospect there are so many neoliberals saying that word for word in all seriousness that I should and will add a sarcasm tag",
">\n\nThat's nice and all, but let's not act like we're not just ignoring our own COVID problems.",
">\n\n\n\"You don't have zero tolerance anymore? We can't tolerate that.\"\n\n- Country with 100% tolerance",
">\n\nWhy not require a negative COVID test from everyone entering the country? It’s like they don’t want COVID to be under control.",
">\n\nI think this is because China has a relatively low vaccination rate because they relied on lock downs. Now that lock downs are being ramped down, they are having a huge surge.",
">\n\nThe vaccination rate in China is considerably higher than the US (92% vs 81%). This is just another example of yellow peril",
">\n\nThank you for pointing this out. What I said above was wrong about the vaccination rate. I don’t know why exactly China is having a surge. 🤷♂️",
">\n\nTheir vaccination rate is high but their vaccine, SinoVac is based on old tech. It conveys effectively zero protection from variants when compared to all the other types of vaccines on the market.",
">\n\nYou guys are so full of shit. At 3 doses Sinovac gives the same protection as any western vaccine with boosters to help mitigate mutated variants. Stop spreading misinfo.",
">\n\n\"Does that thumbnail of someone getting tested read too much like 'screaming uselessly into the void'?\"\n\"I'm sure it'll be fine.\"",
">\n\nMaybe, just maybe they shouldnt have stopped testing airplane passengers in the first place... \nWe have cheap, readily available tests that take 10 minutes to complete. There’s really no reason not to test ever passenger before boarding...",
">\n\nEveryone I know who had Omicron tested negative until their symptoms cleared. It was evading the RATs, for some reason."
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A day late and a dollar short. Same old song and dance.
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"People from China will travel through Europe and come in to America from the east coast like they did when the pandemic started. This will do nothing if all travelers aboard aren’t made to test.",
">\n\nLet's hope EU and other countries do the same.",
">\n\nI don't know if they will. Australia (for example) had some of the toughest Covid policies and they've essentially just thrown them all out the window.\nSo I don't know how willing countries are to go back to being overly concerned about Covid.",
">\n\nThey should be concerned w chinese, it's spreading like wildfire in china. If we aren't careful, they will come out w covid 20.",
">\n\nIt’s spreading everywhere including the USA. This policy has nothing to do with science or medicine. It’s just politics.",
">\n\nNo. It’s circulating like mad in a population of 1 billion people who haven’t been exposed before. This is how new variants come about. Every country should require negative Covid test for china at least until it cycles through the population",
">\n\n\nNo. It’s circulating like mad in a population of 1 billion people who haven’t been exposed before.\n\nIt's also spreading like mad in all the countries of the world including the USA.\n\nThis is how new variants come about. \n\nAnd they have been for years now.\n\nEvery country should require negative Covid test for china at least until it cycles through the population\n\nOnly for political reasons. There is no scientific or rational demand for this. \nI get it, you hate china, most americans hate china so just be honest and say what you really mean.",
">\n\nStrains are spreading in the west yes, but there are new strains in China that are spreading and we don't know if our vaccines will work with those strains. We know the Chinese vaccines have a low efficacy rate and we know they are not mRNA vaccines which allow for easier adaptation to new strains. Making travelers with a Chinese passport take Covid tests at any and all airports is not racist or even unfair - a reminder that China has been relatively hard to travel to for the last 2 years because they were locked down to foreign travel as well. This is simply good policy from a public health measure, and you not wanting to see that for what it is and instead attribute it to a nascent American hatred for China is laughable. the World Health Organization estimated close to 800 million new cases in China in the next few months, with another estimate 4 million deaths and countless new strains coming out during that period. This is about protection populations, not punishing China.",
">\n\n\nStrains are spreading in the west yes, but there are new strains in China that are spreading and we don't know if our vaccines will work with those strains.\n\nYou don't know if vaccines work against any new variant even if that variant is from a country populated with white people.\n\nWe know the Chinese vaccines have a low efficacy rate and we know they are not mRNA vaccines which allow for easier adaptation to new strains. \n\nThe vaccine doesn't adapt once inside of your body you know that right?\n\nMaking travelers with a Chinese passport take Covid tests at any and all airports is not racist or even unfair \n\nit's definitely unfair and probably racist as well.\n\nhis is simply good policy from a public health measure, a\n\nA good policy would be to require vaccinations from everybody. Think about it, you are requiring a vaccine that you said doesn't even work. How much sense does that make?\n\nattribute it to a nascent American hatred for China is laughable.\n\nNascent?\n\nThis is about protection populations, not punishing China.\n\nIt's definitely about punishing china, it's a part of the current cold war with China conducted by the USA.",
">\n\n\nYou don't know if vaccines work against any new variant even if that variant is from a country populated with white people.\n\nAll the more reason to not invite more new strains into the country. White population or otherwise has nothing to do with it, expected rise in cases in China does.\n\nThe vaccine doesn't adapt once inside of your body you know that right?\n\nYou missed the point. The point i was making was that the Chinese medical system has not even approached Covid with an mRNA vaccine, and steadfastly refused to license western vaccines. If the vaccine most readily available in China has a 50% efficacy then the population is at more risk of contracting the virus and having negative results. The infection rates are increased with each new case of BA.7 (China is currently seeing each covid patient infecting on average 18 other people represented as 1:18, whereas the in US the rate is 1:3.9). Each of these factors increases the risk of developing new strains that are vaccine resistant. \n\nit's definitely unfair and probably racist as well\n\nIs it your position that nations cannot take any prescriptive action to prevent the spread of infected persons from other countries? Again i would remind you that China has basically been locked down for the last 2 years, with severe limitations to personal freedoms themselves. This is not based on race, but rather a government's inability to contain a contagious outbreak in their own country and not wanting it to spread. \n\nA good policy would be to require vaccinations from everybody. Think about it, you are requiring a vaccine that you said doesn't even work. How much sense does that make?\n\nThat might be your definition on good policy, but it isn't mine and that isn't how the west does it. \"I\" am not requiring a vaccine that \"I\" said doesn't work - that was your suggestion not mine. Also, i said the efficacy of the Chinese vaccine is 50% - based on available information - i never said it didn't work, and i never said that it should be mandatory or required.\n\nNascent?\n\nPoor and wrong word choice on my part it seems. What i meant was ascribing the US decision to require testing of Chinese travelers to racism because you believe that the US is racist is laughable. Taking a test to prove that you are covid negative is far less onerous on a traveler than most visa requirements.\n\nIt's definitely about punishing china, it's a part of the current cold war with China conducted by the USA.\n\nCite your sources. I could point to many Chinese government policies that i could say are part of the current cold war with the US without backing it up and it would be just as credible as what you said. Opinion is not a source, and not proof. You assume that the US government is racist, that this policy is racist and yet we have had travel bans imposed on other countries, as well as testing required for travelers from other countries imposed before, and other policies and so has China. For goodness sake China has been closed to foreigners for almost 3 years, and is still closed to foreign travel until January 2023. Is that a racist policy as well?",
">\n\nHere we go again.\nThis time I think I'll learn French cooking.",
">\n\n5000 People a day will have to die before Anybody says the word Lock down in the States ever again.",
">\n\nDon’t understand why people can’t handle staying at home for two weeks when it could potentially eradicate a deadly virus. Are we that weak?",
">\n\nWe did that in large part in March 2020. And did China not spend years locking down their citizens? \nPeoples savings are gone. They need to work. \nWearing a mask would do a lot to help the issue but people aren’t willing to do that anymore.",
">\n\nWe didn't do that though. We didn't all lock down when we were supposed to. Where I work I had to go in from the very start all the way through. Most people, the majority of people, didn't stay home even if they didn't have work. Most people didn't fuck with masks or keeping a distance, and even people who weren't antivaccers didn't take the vaccine seriously for the longest time. \nWe had no fucking lock down, unless you were a well-off celebrity or comedian who wanted to talk about being locked down for content. \nIf people legit locked down, they would have taken a small hit financially, but too many people didn't do shit and prolonged everything.",
">\n\nThe things is that it doesn't take long to drain peoples saving - becuase the overwhelming majority of people have practically none. \nSo an extended lockdown was never feasible unless the government was willing to pay several trillion dollars of expenses, not just 2 or 3 times but several times over.",
">\n\nI didn't dispute any of what you said. I pointed out that most people actively contested any safety measure and most people didn't actually lock down. Any extension will almost certainly be the fault of most of those people. \nI'd gladly let them all die if it meant the few people who did take things seriously didn't have to live through a Walking Dead scenario or have to take a huge financial hit because them.",
">\n\nMost people did lock down just fine initially. After a few weeks turned into a month or more, yeah people got testy.\nAdditionally, a gigantic amount of people work in critical industries and simply cant stay home. Just keeping the lights and water on requires tens of millions of workers, plus industries like plants and refineries that simply cannot shut down without massive long-term consequences.\nReddit is full of office people who can WFH, the vast majority of people cant.",
">\n\nI was one of those who couldn't stay home. Right out of the gate most people gave up on almost all of it except when they were making a show of complying when they had to. There was a lot of cheating. I walk through a lot of different areas. The waves of patients and bodies we got at work tracked with that and became predictable.",
">\n\nWhat’s that saying that ends with ”…doomed to repeat it?”",
">\n\nWhy not just require a negative test from everyone?",
">\n\nWho would you expect to pay for that?",
">\n\nGovernments or sponsors from the private sector ideally, I honestly don’t give a fuck. I’ve gotten many free tests from both and I’ve also bought some for like $8.",
">\n\n“Here we go again” from everyone in the comments. \nThe virus never stopped, we did.",
">\n\nVirus will always be there. Permanent restrictions are unsustainable",
">\n\n3 years later...\nIs this permanent?",
">\n\nI doubt there's anything that would make Republicans running in 2024 happier then Democrats advocating for a return to COVID restrictions.",
">\n\nRight? It’d be like the democrats fighting for gun control, or gay and trans rights, or safe and legal abortions. It would be political suicide to stand for something that Republicans don’t like!",
">\n\nMy understanding is that everything you listed is broadly popular or has at least a majority of American's in favor of it. A return to COVID restrictions is not in that category.",
">\n\nGun control isn’t even universally loved amongst the American left, as the hard left needs them for protection from the hard right they clash with, and the middle left does like having their guns taken as much as any middle right wing does, only mid left likes it",
">\n\nGallup has 57% of Americans feeling that in general gun laws should be more strict.",
">\n\nRegular people want kids to stop dying while in school. The problem is \"stricter laws\" is vague and no one can agree on what it means or give a serious proposal that would work, short of confiscation and bans, which are wildly unpopular.",
">\n\nVague political talking points is the best we’re going to get. Much as I’d love a Ross Perot style of breaking down every platform and promise, the general public doesn’t go for it. Buzz words are all we have the attention span for.",
">\n\nChina's COVID-19 surge raises odds of new coronavirus variants\nThings could get very ugly.",
">\n\nYou say this like covid hasn't been spreading rampantly through literally every country on the planet, mostly without any measures to stop the spread. Why does China get a different treatment and maybe countries should require tests from the US or Inida or Europe?",
">\n\nI agree. US was primarily the culprit of why COVID went rampant to begin with. We actively refused to enforce any sort of safety measures, just a mild suggestion of \"maybe wear a mask, if you want to, it's ok if you don't\" and \"we have vaccines if you want one, no pressure tho\". That was really our response to the world's deadliest pandemic.",
">\n\nWe actively made fun of zero covid approaches on reddit and now based on the comments on this thread we are suddenly pro “zero covid” approaches",
">\n\nEveryone finally watched contagion",
">\n\nSo far my 2023 bingo card is reading alooot of skull and crossbones, I think I might actually win at something next year, what does your score card look like?",
">\n\nWhen’s that $1200 going to hit my account?",
">\n\nI’m still living off mine from last time!",
">\n\nI’m still looking for mine",
">\n\nI’m waiting for that $600 bucks from Biden still, but that’s going right into my retirement!",
">\n\nYou dont get he meant to include any money you already received as well /s",
">\n\nI seem to remember campaign ads with $2000 checks.",
">\n\nYep they explicitly mentioned $2,000 checks.",
">\n\nMy comment was sarcasm but in retrospect there are so many neoliberals saying that word for word in all seriousness that I should and will add a sarcasm tag",
">\n\nThat's nice and all, but let's not act like we're not just ignoring our own COVID problems.",
">\n\n\n\"You don't have zero tolerance anymore? We can't tolerate that.\"\n\n- Country with 100% tolerance",
">\n\nWhy not require a negative COVID test from everyone entering the country? It’s like they don’t want COVID to be under control.",
">\n\nI think this is because China has a relatively low vaccination rate because they relied on lock downs. Now that lock downs are being ramped down, they are having a huge surge.",
">\n\nThe vaccination rate in China is considerably higher than the US (92% vs 81%). This is just another example of yellow peril",
">\n\nThank you for pointing this out. What I said above was wrong about the vaccination rate. I don’t know why exactly China is having a surge. 🤷♂️",
">\n\nTheir vaccination rate is high but their vaccine, SinoVac is based on old tech. It conveys effectively zero protection from variants when compared to all the other types of vaccines on the market.",
">\n\nYou guys are so full of shit. At 3 doses Sinovac gives the same protection as any western vaccine with boosters to help mitigate mutated variants. Stop spreading misinfo.",
">\n\n\"Does that thumbnail of someone getting tested read too much like 'screaming uselessly into the void'?\"\n\"I'm sure it'll be fine.\"",
">\n\nMaybe, just maybe they shouldnt have stopped testing airplane passengers in the first place... \nWe have cheap, readily available tests that take 10 minutes to complete. There’s really no reason not to test ever passenger before boarding...",
">\n\nEveryone I know who had Omicron tested negative until their symptoms cleared. It was evading the RATs, for some reason.",
">\n\nI tested positive on a rapid test two days after getting congested. Every teacher coworker of mine who bothered to test after getting cold symptoms also did. I think it's why so few parents now test their kids before sending time to school sick. They don't want to know so we all find out when we or our family members then test positive, missing work on their sick kids' behalf so they didn't have to. \nI have also heard the rapid test can give false negatives but anecdotal references don't mean much."
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Wow, it’s like history literally repeating itself.
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"People from China will travel through Europe and come in to America from the east coast like they did when the pandemic started. This will do nothing if all travelers aboard aren’t made to test.",
">\n\nLet's hope EU and other countries do the same.",
">\n\nI don't know if they will. Australia (for example) had some of the toughest Covid policies and they've essentially just thrown them all out the window.\nSo I don't know how willing countries are to go back to being overly concerned about Covid.",
">\n\nThey should be concerned w chinese, it's spreading like wildfire in china. If we aren't careful, they will come out w covid 20.",
">\n\nIt’s spreading everywhere including the USA. This policy has nothing to do with science or medicine. It’s just politics.",
">\n\nNo. It’s circulating like mad in a population of 1 billion people who haven’t been exposed before. This is how new variants come about. Every country should require negative Covid test for china at least until it cycles through the population",
">\n\n\nNo. It’s circulating like mad in a population of 1 billion people who haven’t been exposed before.\n\nIt's also spreading like mad in all the countries of the world including the USA.\n\nThis is how new variants come about. \n\nAnd they have been for years now.\n\nEvery country should require negative Covid test for china at least until it cycles through the population\n\nOnly for political reasons. There is no scientific or rational demand for this. \nI get it, you hate china, most americans hate china so just be honest and say what you really mean.",
">\n\nStrains are spreading in the west yes, but there are new strains in China that are spreading and we don't know if our vaccines will work with those strains. We know the Chinese vaccines have a low efficacy rate and we know they are not mRNA vaccines which allow for easier adaptation to new strains. Making travelers with a Chinese passport take Covid tests at any and all airports is not racist or even unfair - a reminder that China has been relatively hard to travel to for the last 2 years because they were locked down to foreign travel as well. This is simply good policy from a public health measure, and you not wanting to see that for what it is and instead attribute it to a nascent American hatred for China is laughable. the World Health Organization estimated close to 800 million new cases in China in the next few months, with another estimate 4 million deaths and countless new strains coming out during that period. This is about protection populations, not punishing China.",
">\n\n\nStrains are spreading in the west yes, but there are new strains in China that are spreading and we don't know if our vaccines will work with those strains.\n\nYou don't know if vaccines work against any new variant even if that variant is from a country populated with white people.\n\nWe know the Chinese vaccines have a low efficacy rate and we know they are not mRNA vaccines which allow for easier adaptation to new strains. \n\nThe vaccine doesn't adapt once inside of your body you know that right?\n\nMaking travelers with a Chinese passport take Covid tests at any and all airports is not racist or even unfair \n\nit's definitely unfair and probably racist as well.\n\nhis is simply good policy from a public health measure, a\n\nA good policy would be to require vaccinations from everybody. Think about it, you are requiring a vaccine that you said doesn't even work. How much sense does that make?\n\nattribute it to a nascent American hatred for China is laughable.\n\nNascent?\n\nThis is about protection populations, not punishing China.\n\nIt's definitely about punishing china, it's a part of the current cold war with China conducted by the USA.",
">\n\n\nYou don't know if vaccines work against any new variant even if that variant is from a country populated with white people.\n\nAll the more reason to not invite more new strains into the country. White population or otherwise has nothing to do with it, expected rise in cases in China does.\n\nThe vaccine doesn't adapt once inside of your body you know that right?\n\nYou missed the point. The point i was making was that the Chinese medical system has not even approached Covid with an mRNA vaccine, and steadfastly refused to license western vaccines. If the vaccine most readily available in China has a 50% efficacy then the population is at more risk of contracting the virus and having negative results. The infection rates are increased with each new case of BA.7 (China is currently seeing each covid patient infecting on average 18 other people represented as 1:18, whereas the in US the rate is 1:3.9). Each of these factors increases the risk of developing new strains that are vaccine resistant. \n\nit's definitely unfair and probably racist as well\n\nIs it your position that nations cannot take any prescriptive action to prevent the spread of infected persons from other countries? Again i would remind you that China has basically been locked down for the last 2 years, with severe limitations to personal freedoms themselves. This is not based on race, but rather a government's inability to contain a contagious outbreak in their own country and not wanting it to spread. \n\nA good policy would be to require vaccinations from everybody. Think about it, you are requiring a vaccine that you said doesn't even work. How much sense does that make?\n\nThat might be your definition on good policy, but it isn't mine and that isn't how the west does it. \"I\" am not requiring a vaccine that \"I\" said doesn't work - that was your suggestion not mine. Also, i said the efficacy of the Chinese vaccine is 50% - based on available information - i never said it didn't work, and i never said that it should be mandatory or required.\n\nNascent?\n\nPoor and wrong word choice on my part it seems. What i meant was ascribing the US decision to require testing of Chinese travelers to racism because you believe that the US is racist is laughable. Taking a test to prove that you are covid negative is far less onerous on a traveler than most visa requirements.\n\nIt's definitely about punishing china, it's a part of the current cold war with China conducted by the USA.\n\nCite your sources. I could point to many Chinese government policies that i could say are part of the current cold war with the US without backing it up and it would be just as credible as what you said. Opinion is not a source, and not proof. You assume that the US government is racist, that this policy is racist and yet we have had travel bans imposed on other countries, as well as testing required for travelers from other countries imposed before, and other policies and so has China. For goodness sake China has been closed to foreigners for almost 3 years, and is still closed to foreign travel until January 2023. Is that a racist policy as well?",
">\n\nHere we go again.\nThis time I think I'll learn French cooking.",
">\n\n5000 People a day will have to die before Anybody says the word Lock down in the States ever again.",
">\n\nDon’t understand why people can’t handle staying at home for two weeks when it could potentially eradicate a deadly virus. Are we that weak?",
">\n\nWe did that in large part in March 2020. And did China not spend years locking down their citizens? \nPeoples savings are gone. They need to work. \nWearing a mask would do a lot to help the issue but people aren’t willing to do that anymore.",
">\n\nWe didn't do that though. We didn't all lock down when we were supposed to. Where I work I had to go in from the very start all the way through. Most people, the majority of people, didn't stay home even if they didn't have work. Most people didn't fuck with masks or keeping a distance, and even people who weren't antivaccers didn't take the vaccine seriously for the longest time. \nWe had no fucking lock down, unless you were a well-off celebrity or comedian who wanted to talk about being locked down for content. \nIf people legit locked down, they would have taken a small hit financially, but too many people didn't do shit and prolonged everything.",
">\n\nThe things is that it doesn't take long to drain peoples saving - becuase the overwhelming majority of people have practically none. \nSo an extended lockdown was never feasible unless the government was willing to pay several trillion dollars of expenses, not just 2 or 3 times but several times over.",
">\n\nI didn't dispute any of what you said. I pointed out that most people actively contested any safety measure and most people didn't actually lock down. Any extension will almost certainly be the fault of most of those people. \nI'd gladly let them all die if it meant the few people who did take things seriously didn't have to live through a Walking Dead scenario or have to take a huge financial hit because them.",
">\n\nMost people did lock down just fine initially. After a few weeks turned into a month or more, yeah people got testy.\nAdditionally, a gigantic amount of people work in critical industries and simply cant stay home. Just keeping the lights and water on requires tens of millions of workers, plus industries like plants and refineries that simply cannot shut down without massive long-term consequences.\nReddit is full of office people who can WFH, the vast majority of people cant.",
">\n\nI was one of those who couldn't stay home. Right out of the gate most people gave up on almost all of it except when they were making a show of complying when they had to. There was a lot of cheating. I walk through a lot of different areas. The waves of patients and bodies we got at work tracked with that and became predictable.",
">\n\nWhat’s that saying that ends with ”…doomed to repeat it?”",
">\n\nWhy not just require a negative test from everyone?",
">\n\nWho would you expect to pay for that?",
">\n\nGovernments or sponsors from the private sector ideally, I honestly don’t give a fuck. I’ve gotten many free tests from both and I’ve also bought some for like $8.",
">\n\n“Here we go again” from everyone in the comments. \nThe virus never stopped, we did.",
">\n\nVirus will always be there. Permanent restrictions are unsustainable",
">\n\n3 years later...\nIs this permanent?",
">\n\nI doubt there's anything that would make Republicans running in 2024 happier then Democrats advocating for a return to COVID restrictions.",
">\n\nRight? It’d be like the democrats fighting for gun control, or gay and trans rights, or safe and legal abortions. It would be political suicide to stand for something that Republicans don’t like!",
">\n\nMy understanding is that everything you listed is broadly popular or has at least a majority of American's in favor of it. A return to COVID restrictions is not in that category.",
">\n\nGun control isn’t even universally loved amongst the American left, as the hard left needs them for protection from the hard right they clash with, and the middle left does like having their guns taken as much as any middle right wing does, only mid left likes it",
">\n\nGallup has 57% of Americans feeling that in general gun laws should be more strict.",
">\n\nRegular people want kids to stop dying while in school. The problem is \"stricter laws\" is vague and no one can agree on what it means or give a serious proposal that would work, short of confiscation and bans, which are wildly unpopular.",
">\n\nVague political talking points is the best we’re going to get. Much as I’d love a Ross Perot style of breaking down every platform and promise, the general public doesn’t go for it. Buzz words are all we have the attention span for.",
">\n\nChina's COVID-19 surge raises odds of new coronavirus variants\nThings could get very ugly.",
">\n\nYou say this like covid hasn't been spreading rampantly through literally every country on the planet, mostly without any measures to stop the spread. Why does China get a different treatment and maybe countries should require tests from the US or Inida or Europe?",
">\n\nI agree. US was primarily the culprit of why COVID went rampant to begin with. We actively refused to enforce any sort of safety measures, just a mild suggestion of \"maybe wear a mask, if you want to, it's ok if you don't\" and \"we have vaccines if you want one, no pressure tho\". That was really our response to the world's deadliest pandemic.",
">\n\nWe actively made fun of zero covid approaches on reddit and now based on the comments on this thread we are suddenly pro “zero covid” approaches",
">\n\nEveryone finally watched contagion",
">\n\nSo far my 2023 bingo card is reading alooot of skull and crossbones, I think I might actually win at something next year, what does your score card look like?",
">\n\nWhen’s that $1200 going to hit my account?",
">\n\nI’m still living off mine from last time!",
">\n\nI’m still looking for mine",
">\n\nI’m waiting for that $600 bucks from Biden still, but that’s going right into my retirement!",
">\n\nYou dont get he meant to include any money you already received as well /s",
">\n\nI seem to remember campaign ads with $2000 checks.",
">\n\nYep they explicitly mentioned $2,000 checks.",
">\n\nMy comment was sarcasm but in retrospect there are so many neoliberals saying that word for word in all seriousness that I should and will add a sarcasm tag",
">\n\nThat's nice and all, but let's not act like we're not just ignoring our own COVID problems.",
">\n\n\n\"You don't have zero tolerance anymore? We can't tolerate that.\"\n\n- Country with 100% tolerance",
">\n\nWhy not require a negative COVID test from everyone entering the country? It’s like they don’t want COVID to be under control.",
">\n\nI think this is because China has a relatively low vaccination rate because they relied on lock downs. Now that lock downs are being ramped down, they are having a huge surge.",
">\n\nThe vaccination rate in China is considerably higher than the US (92% vs 81%). This is just another example of yellow peril",
">\n\nThank you for pointing this out. What I said above was wrong about the vaccination rate. I don’t know why exactly China is having a surge. 🤷♂️",
">\n\nTheir vaccination rate is high but their vaccine, SinoVac is based on old tech. It conveys effectively zero protection from variants when compared to all the other types of vaccines on the market.",
">\n\nYou guys are so full of shit. At 3 doses Sinovac gives the same protection as any western vaccine with boosters to help mitigate mutated variants. Stop spreading misinfo.",
">\n\n\"Does that thumbnail of someone getting tested read too much like 'screaming uselessly into the void'?\"\n\"I'm sure it'll be fine.\"",
">\n\nMaybe, just maybe they shouldnt have stopped testing airplane passengers in the first place... \nWe have cheap, readily available tests that take 10 minutes to complete. There’s really no reason not to test ever passenger before boarding...",
">\n\nEveryone I know who had Omicron tested negative until their symptoms cleared. It was evading the RATs, for some reason.",
">\n\nI tested positive on a rapid test two days after getting congested. Every teacher coworker of mine who bothered to test after getting cold symptoms also did. I think it's why so few parents now test their kids before sending time to school sick. They don't want to know so we all find out when we or our family members then test positive, missing work on their sick kids' behalf so they didn't have to. \nI have also heard the rapid test can give false negatives but anecdotal references don't mean much.",
">\n\nA day late and a dollar short. Same old song and dance."
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Indeed it is. I hope everyone is prepared for what’s next.
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"People from China will travel through Europe and come in to America from the east coast like they did when the pandemic started. This will do nothing if all travelers aboard aren’t made to test.",
">\n\nLet's hope EU and other countries do the same.",
">\n\nI don't know if they will. Australia (for example) had some of the toughest Covid policies and they've essentially just thrown them all out the window.\nSo I don't know how willing countries are to go back to being overly concerned about Covid.",
">\n\nThey should be concerned w chinese, it's spreading like wildfire in china. If we aren't careful, they will come out w covid 20.",
">\n\nIt’s spreading everywhere including the USA. This policy has nothing to do with science or medicine. It’s just politics.",
">\n\nNo. It’s circulating like mad in a population of 1 billion people who haven’t been exposed before. This is how new variants come about. Every country should require negative Covid test for china at least until it cycles through the population",
">\n\n\nNo. It’s circulating like mad in a population of 1 billion people who haven’t been exposed before.\n\nIt's also spreading like mad in all the countries of the world including the USA.\n\nThis is how new variants come about. \n\nAnd they have been for years now.\n\nEvery country should require negative Covid test for china at least until it cycles through the population\n\nOnly for political reasons. There is no scientific or rational demand for this. \nI get it, you hate china, most americans hate china so just be honest and say what you really mean.",
">\n\nStrains are spreading in the west yes, but there are new strains in China that are spreading and we don't know if our vaccines will work with those strains. We know the Chinese vaccines have a low efficacy rate and we know they are not mRNA vaccines which allow for easier adaptation to new strains. Making travelers with a Chinese passport take Covid tests at any and all airports is not racist or even unfair - a reminder that China has been relatively hard to travel to for the last 2 years because they were locked down to foreign travel as well. This is simply good policy from a public health measure, and you not wanting to see that for what it is and instead attribute it to a nascent American hatred for China is laughable. the World Health Organization estimated close to 800 million new cases in China in the next few months, with another estimate 4 million deaths and countless new strains coming out during that period. This is about protection populations, not punishing China.",
">\n\n\nStrains are spreading in the west yes, but there are new strains in China that are spreading and we don't know if our vaccines will work with those strains.\n\nYou don't know if vaccines work against any new variant even if that variant is from a country populated with white people.\n\nWe know the Chinese vaccines have a low efficacy rate and we know they are not mRNA vaccines which allow for easier adaptation to new strains. \n\nThe vaccine doesn't adapt once inside of your body you know that right?\n\nMaking travelers with a Chinese passport take Covid tests at any and all airports is not racist or even unfair \n\nit's definitely unfair and probably racist as well.\n\nhis is simply good policy from a public health measure, a\n\nA good policy would be to require vaccinations from everybody. Think about it, you are requiring a vaccine that you said doesn't even work. How much sense does that make?\n\nattribute it to a nascent American hatred for China is laughable.\n\nNascent?\n\nThis is about protection populations, not punishing China.\n\nIt's definitely about punishing china, it's a part of the current cold war with China conducted by the USA.",
">\n\n\nYou don't know if vaccines work against any new variant even if that variant is from a country populated with white people.\n\nAll the more reason to not invite more new strains into the country. White population or otherwise has nothing to do with it, expected rise in cases in China does.\n\nThe vaccine doesn't adapt once inside of your body you know that right?\n\nYou missed the point. The point i was making was that the Chinese medical system has not even approached Covid with an mRNA vaccine, and steadfastly refused to license western vaccines. If the vaccine most readily available in China has a 50% efficacy then the population is at more risk of contracting the virus and having negative results. The infection rates are increased with each new case of BA.7 (China is currently seeing each covid patient infecting on average 18 other people represented as 1:18, whereas the in US the rate is 1:3.9). Each of these factors increases the risk of developing new strains that are vaccine resistant. \n\nit's definitely unfair and probably racist as well\n\nIs it your position that nations cannot take any prescriptive action to prevent the spread of infected persons from other countries? Again i would remind you that China has basically been locked down for the last 2 years, with severe limitations to personal freedoms themselves. This is not based on race, but rather a government's inability to contain a contagious outbreak in their own country and not wanting it to spread. \n\nA good policy would be to require vaccinations from everybody. Think about it, you are requiring a vaccine that you said doesn't even work. How much sense does that make?\n\nThat might be your definition on good policy, but it isn't mine and that isn't how the west does it. \"I\" am not requiring a vaccine that \"I\" said doesn't work - that was your suggestion not mine. Also, i said the efficacy of the Chinese vaccine is 50% - based on available information - i never said it didn't work, and i never said that it should be mandatory or required.\n\nNascent?\n\nPoor and wrong word choice on my part it seems. What i meant was ascribing the US decision to require testing of Chinese travelers to racism because you believe that the US is racist is laughable. Taking a test to prove that you are covid negative is far less onerous on a traveler than most visa requirements.\n\nIt's definitely about punishing china, it's a part of the current cold war with China conducted by the USA.\n\nCite your sources. I could point to many Chinese government policies that i could say are part of the current cold war with the US without backing it up and it would be just as credible as what you said. Opinion is not a source, and not proof. You assume that the US government is racist, that this policy is racist and yet we have had travel bans imposed on other countries, as well as testing required for travelers from other countries imposed before, and other policies and so has China. For goodness sake China has been closed to foreigners for almost 3 years, and is still closed to foreign travel until January 2023. Is that a racist policy as well?",
">\n\nHere we go again.\nThis time I think I'll learn French cooking.",
">\n\n5000 People a day will have to die before Anybody says the word Lock down in the States ever again.",
">\n\nDon’t understand why people can’t handle staying at home for two weeks when it could potentially eradicate a deadly virus. Are we that weak?",
">\n\nWe did that in large part in March 2020. And did China not spend years locking down their citizens? \nPeoples savings are gone. They need to work. \nWearing a mask would do a lot to help the issue but people aren’t willing to do that anymore.",
">\n\nWe didn't do that though. We didn't all lock down when we were supposed to. Where I work I had to go in from the very start all the way through. Most people, the majority of people, didn't stay home even if they didn't have work. Most people didn't fuck with masks or keeping a distance, and even people who weren't antivaccers didn't take the vaccine seriously for the longest time. \nWe had no fucking lock down, unless you were a well-off celebrity or comedian who wanted to talk about being locked down for content. \nIf people legit locked down, they would have taken a small hit financially, but too many people didn't do shit and prolonged everything.",
">\n\nThe things is that it doesn't take long to drain peoples saving - becuase the overwhelming majority of people have practically none. \nSo an extended lockdown was never feasible unless the government was willing to pay several trillion dollars of expenses, not just 2 or 3 times but several times over.",
">\n\nI didn't dispute any of what you said. I pointed out that most people actively contested any safety measure and most people didn't actually lock down. Any extension will almost certainly be the fault of most of those people. \nI'd gladly let them all die if it meant the few people who did take things seriously didn't have to live through a Walking Dead scenario or have to take a huge financial hit because them.",
">\n\nMost people did lock down just fine initially. After a few weeks turned into a month or more, yeah people got testy.\nAdditionally, a gigantic amount of people work in critical industries and simply cant stay home. Just keeping the lights and water on requires tens of millions of workers, plus industries like plants and refineries that simply cannot shut down without massive long-term consequences.\nReddit is full of office people who can WFH, the vast majority of people cant.",
">\n\nI was one of those who couldn't stay home. Right out of the gate most people gave up on almost all of it except when they were making a show of complying when they had to. There was a lot of cheating. I walk through a lot of different areas. The waves of patients and bodies we got at work tracked with that and became predictable.",
">\n\nWhat’s that saying that ends with ”…doomed to repeat it?”",
">\n\nWhy not just require a negative test from everyone?",
">\n\nWho would you expect to pay for that?",
">\n\nGovernments or sponsors from the private sector ideally, I honestly don’t give a fuck. I’ve gotten many free tests from both and I’ve also bought some for like $8.",
">\n\n“Here we go again” from everyone in the comments. \nThe virus never stopped, we did.",
">\n\nVirus will always be there. Permanent restrictions are unsustainable",
">\n\n3 years later...\nIs this permanent?",
">\n\nI doubt there's anything that would make Republicans running in 2024 happier then Democrats advocating for a return to COVID restrictions.",
">\n\nRight? It’d be like the democrats fighting for gun control, or gay and trans rights, or safe and legal abortions. It would be political suicide to stand for something that Republicans don’t like!",
">\n\nMy understanding is that everything you listed is broadly popular or has at least a majority of American's in favor of it. A return to COVID restrictions is not in that category.",
">\n\nGun control isn’t even universally loved amongst the American left, as the hard left needs them for protection from the hard right they clash with, and the middle left does like having their guns taken as much as any middle right wing does, only mid left likes it",
">\n\nGallup has 57% of Americans feeling that in general gun laws should be more strict.",
">\n\nRegular people want kids to stop dying while in school. The problem is \"stricter laws\" is vague and no one can agree on what it means or give a serious proposal that would work, short of confiscation and bans, which are wildly unpopular.",
">\n\nVague political talking points is the best we’re going to get. Much as I’d love a Ross Perot style of breaking down every platform and promise, the general public doesn’t go for it. Buzz words are all we have the attention span for.",
">\n\nChina's COVID-19 surge raises odds of new coronavirus variants\nThings could get very ugly.",
">\n\nYou say this like covid hasn't been spreading rampantly through literally every country on the planet, mostly without any measures to stop the spread. Why does China get a different treatment and maybe countries should require tests from the US or Inida or Europe?",
">\n\nI agree. US was primarily the culprit of why COVID went rampant to begin with. We actively refused to enforce any sort of safety measures, just a mild suggestion of \"maybe wear a mask, if you want to, it's ok if you don't\" and \"we have vaccines if you want one, no pressure tho\". That was really our response to the world's deadliest pandemic.",
">\n\nWe actively made fun of zero covid approaches on reddit and now based on the comments on this thread we are suddenly pro “zero covid” approaches",
">\n\nEveryone finally watched contagion",
">\n\nSo far my 2023 bingo card is reading alooot of skull and crossbones, I think I might actually win at something next year, what does your score card look like?",
">\n\nWhen’s that $1200 going to hit my account?",
">\n\nI’m still living off mine from last time!",
">\n\nI’m still looking for mine",
">\n\nI’m waiting for that $600 bucks from Biden still, but that’s going right into my retirement!",
">\n\nYou dont get he meant to include any money you already received as well /s",
">\n\nI seem to remember campaign ads with $2000 checks.",
">\n\nYep they explicitly mentioned $2,000 checks.",
">\n\nMy comment was sarcasm but in retrospect there are so many neoliberals saying that word for word in all seriousness that I should and will add a sarcasm tag",
">\n\nThat's nice and all, but let's not act like we're not just ignoring our own COVID problems.",
">\n\n\n\"You don't have zero tolerance anymore? We can't tolerate that.\"\n\n- Country with 100% tolerance",
">\n\nWhy not require a negative COVID test from everyone entering the country? It’s like they don’t want COVID to be under control.",
">\n\nI think this is because China has a relatively low vaccination rate because they relied on lock downs. Now that lock downs are being ramped down, they are having a huge surge.",
">\n\nThe vaccination rate in China is considerably higher than the US (92% vs 81%). This is just another example of yellow peril",
">\n\nThank you for pointing this out. What I said above was wrong about the vaccination rate. I don’t know why exactly China is having a surge. 🤷♂️",
">\n\nTheir vaccination rate is high but their vaccine, SinoVac is based on old tech. It conveys effectively zero protection from variants when compared to all the other types of vaccines on the market.",
">\n\nYou guys are so full of shit. At 3 doses Sinovac gives the same protection as any western vaccine with boosters to help mitigate mutated variants. Stop spreading misinfo.",
">\n\n\"Does that thumbnail of someone getting tested read too much like 'screaming uselessly into the void'?\"\n\"I'm sure it'll be fine.\"",
">\n\nMaybe, just maybe they shouldnt have stopped testing airplane passengers in the first place... \nWe have cheap, readily available tests that take 10 minutes to complete. There’s really no reason not to test ever passenger before boarding...",
">\n\nEveryone I know who had Omicron tested negative until their symptoms cleared. It was evading the RATs, for some reason.",
">\n\nI tested positive on a rapid test two days after getting congested. Every teacher coworker of mine who bothered to test after getting cold symptoms also did. I think it's why so few parents now test their kids before sending time to school sick. They don't want to know so we all find out when we or our family members then test positive, missing work on their sick kids' behalf so they didn't have to. \nI have also heard the rapid test can give false negatives but anecdotal references don't mean much.",
">\n\nA day late and a dollar short. Same old song and dance.",
">\n\nWow, it’s like history literally repeating itself."
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We should require negative COVID tests for people to fly within the US, too.
It makes no difference to me if the person who infects me at LAX is coming in from China, or from Texas.
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"People from China will travel through Europe and come in to America from the east coast like they did when the pandemic started. This will do nothing if all travelers aboard aren’t made to test.",
">\n\nLet's hope EU and other countries do the same.",
">\n\nI don't know if they will. Australia (for example) had some of the toughest Covid policies and they've essentially just thrown them all out the window.\nSo I don't know how willing countries are to go back to being overly concerned about Covid.",
">\n\nThey should be concerned w chinese, it's spreading like wildfire in china. If we aren't careful, they will come out w covid 20.",
">\n\nIt’s spreading everywhere including the USA. This policy has nothing to do with science or medicine. It’s just politics.",
">\n\nNo. It’s circulating like mad in a population of 1 billion people who haven’t been exposed before. This is how new variants come about. Every country should require negative Covid test for china at least until it cycles through the population",
">\n\n\nNo. It’s circulating like mad in a population of 1 billion people who haven’t been exposed before.\n\nIt's also spreading like mad in all the countries of the world including the USA.\n\nThis is how new variants come about. \n\nAnd they have been for years now.\n\nEvery country should require negative Covid test for china at least until it cycles through the population\n\nOnly for political reasons. There is no scientific or rational demand for this. \nI get it, you hate china, most americans hate china so just be honest and say what you really mean.",
">\n\nStrains are spreading in the west yes, but there are new strains in China that are spreading and we don't know if our vaccines will work with those strains. We know the Chinese vaccines have a low efficacy rate and we know they are not mRNA vaccines which allow for easier adaptation to new strains. Making travelers with a Chinese passport take Covid tests at any and all airports is not racist or even unfair - a reminder that China has been relatively hard to travel to for the last 2 years because they were locked down to foreign travel as well. This is simply good policy from a public health measure, and you not wanting to see that for what it is and instead attribute it to a nascent American hatred for China is laughable. the World Health Organization estimated close to 800 million new cases in China in the next few months, with another estimate 4 million deaths and countless new strains coming out during that period. This is about protection populations, not punishing China.",
">\n\n\nStrains are spreading in the west yes, but there are new strains in China that are spreading and we don't know if our vaccines will work with those strains.\n\nYou don't know if vaccines work against any new variant even if that variant is from a country populated with white people.\n\nWe know the Chinese vaccines have a low efficacy rate and we know they are not mRNA vaccines which allow for easier adaptation to new strains. \n\nThe vaccine doesn't adapt once inside of your body you know that right?\n\nMaking travelers with a Chinese passport take Covid tests at any and all airports is not racist or even unfair \n\nit's definitely unfair and probably racist as well.\n\nhis is simply good policy from a public health measure, a\n\nA good policy would be to require vaccinations from everybody. Think about it, you are requiring a vaccine that you said doesn't even work. How much sense does that make?\n\nattribute it to a nascent American hatred for China is laughable.\n\nNascent?\n\nThis is about protection populations, not punishing China.\n\nIt's definitely about punishing china, it's a part of the current cold war with China conducted by the USA.",
">\n\n\nYou don't know if vaccines work against any new variant even if that variant is from a country populated with white people.\n\nAll the more reason to not invite more new strains into the country. White population or otherwise has nothing to do with it, expected rise in cases in China does.\n\nThe vaccine doesn't adapt once inside of your body you know that right?\n\nYou missed the point. The point i was making was that the Chinese medical system has not even approached Covid with an mRNA vaccine, and steadfastly refused to license western vaccines. If the vaccine most readily available in China has a 50% efficacy then the population is at more risk of contracting the virus and having negative results. The infection rates are increased with each new case of BA.7 (China is currently seeing each covid patient infecting on average 18 other people represented as 1:18, whereas the in US the rate is 1:3.9). Each of these factors increases the risk of developing new strains that are vaccine resistant. \n\nit's definitely unfair and probably racist as well\n\nIs it your position that nations cannot take any prescriptive action to prevent the spread of infected persons from other countries? Again i would remind you that China has basically been locked down for the last 2 years, with severe limitations to personal freedoms themselves. This is not based on race, but rather a government's inability to contain a contagious outbreak in their own country and not wanting it to spread. \n\nA good policy would be to require vaccinations from everybody. Think about it, you are requiring a vaccine that you said doesn't even work. How much sense does that make?\n\nThat might be your definition on good policy, but it isn't mine and that isn't how the west does it. \"I\" am not requiring a vaccine that \"I\" said doesn't work - that was your suggestion not mine. Also, i said the efficacy of the Chinese vaccine is 50% - based on available information - i never said it didn't work, and i never said that it should be mandatory or required.\n\nNascent?\n\nPoor and wrong word choice on my part it seems. What i meant was ascribing the US decision to require testing of Chinese travelers to racism because you believe that the US is racist is laughable. Taking a test to prove that you are covid negative is far less onerous on a traveler than most visa requirements.\n\nIt's definitely about punishing china, it's a part of the current cold war with China conducted by the USA.\n\nCite your sources. I could point to many Chinese government policies that i could say are part of the current cold war with the US without backing it up and it would be just as credible as what you said. Opinion is not a source, and not proof. You assume that the US government is racist, that this policy is racist and yet we have had travel bans imposed on other countries, as well as testing required for travelers from other countries imposed before, and other policies and so has China. For goodness sake China has been closed to foreigners for almost 3 years, and is still closed to foreign travel until January 2023. Is that a racist policy as well?",
">\n\nHere we go again.\nThis time I think I'll learn French cooking.",
">\n\n5000 People a day will have to die before Anybody says the word Lock down in the States ever again.",
">\n\nDon’t understand why people can’t handle staying at home for two weeks when it could potentially eradicate a deadly virus. Are we that weak?",
">\n\nWe did that in large part in March 2020. And did China not spend years locking down their citizens? \nPeoples savings are gone. They need to work. \nWearing a mask would do a lot to help the issue but people aren’t willing to do that anymore.",
">\n\nWe didn't do that though. We didn't all lock down when we were supposed to. Where I work I had to go in from the very start all the way through. Most people, the majority of people, didn't stay home even if they didn't have work. Most people didn't fuck with masks or keeping a distance, and even people who weren't antivaccers didn't take the vaccine seriously for the longest time. \nWe had no fucking lock down, unless you were a well-off celebrity or comedian who wanted to talk about being locked down for content. \nIf people legit locked down, they would have taken a small hit financially, but too many people didn't do shit and prolonged everything.",
">\n\nThe things is that it doesn't take long to drain peoples saving - becuase the overwhelming majority of people have practically none. \nSo an extended lockdown was never feasible unless the government was willing to pay several trillion dollars of expenses, not just 2 or 3 times but several times over.",
">\n\nI didn't dispute any of what you said. I pointed out that most people actively contested any safety measure and most people didn't actually lock down. Any extension will almost certainly be the fault of most of those people. \nI'd gladly let them all die if it meant the few people who did take things seriously didn't have to live through a Walking Dead scenario or have to take a huge financial hit because them.",
">\n\nMost people did lock down just fine initially. After a few weeks turned into a month or more, yeah people got testy.\nAdditionally, a gigantic amount of people work in critical industries and simply cant stay home. Just keeping the lights and water on requires tens of millions of workers, plus industries like plants and refineries that simply cannot shut down without massive long-term consequences.\nReddit is full of office people who can WFH, the vast majority of people cant.",
">\n\nI was one of those who couldn't stay home. Right out of the gate most people gave up on almost all of it except when they were making a show of complying when they had to. There was a lot of cheating. I walk through a lot of different areas. The waves of patients and bodies we got at work tracked with that and became predictable.",
">\n\nWhat’s that saying that ends with ”…doomed to repeat it?”",
">\n\nWhy not just require a negative test from everyone?",
">\n\nWho would you expect to pay for that?",
">\n\nGovernments or sponsors from the private sector ideally, I honestly don’t give a fuck. I’ve gotten many free tests from both and I’ve also bought some for like $8.",
">\n\n“Here we go again” from everyone in the comments. \nThe virus never stopped, we did.",
">\n\nVirus will always be there. Permanent restrictions are unsustainable",
">\n\n3 years later...\nIs this permanent?",
">\n\nI doubt there's anything that would make Republicans running in 2024 happier then Democrats advocating for a return to COVID restrictions.",
">\n\nRight? It’d be like the democrats fighting for gun control, or gay and trans rights, or safe and legal abortions. It would be political suicide to stand for something that Republicans don’t like!",
">\n\nMy understanding is that everything you listed is broadly popular or has at least a majority of American's in favor of it. A return to COVID restrictions is not in that category.",
">\n\nGun control isn’t even universally loved amongst the American left, as the hard left needs them for protection from the hard right they clash with, and the middle left does like having their guns taken as much as any middle right wing does, only mid left likes it",
">\n\nGallup has 57% of Americans feeling that in general gun laws should be more strict.",
">\n\nRegular people want kids to stop dying while in school. The problem is \"stricter laws\" is vague and no one can agree on what it means or give a serious proposal that would work, short of confiscation and bans, which are wildly unpopular.",
">\n\nVague political talking points is the best we’re going to get. Much as I’d love a Ross Perot style of breaking down every platform and promise, the general public doesn’t go for it. Buzz words are all we have the attention span for.",
">\n\nChina's COVID-19 surge raises odds of new coronavirus variants\nThings could get very ugly.",
">\n\nYou say this like covid hasn't been spreading rampantly through literally every country on the planet, mostly without any measures to stop the spread. Why does China get a different treatment and maybe countries should require tests from the US or Inida or Europe?",
">\n\nI agree. US was primarily the culprit of why COVID went rampant to begin with. We actively refused to enforce any sort of safety measures, just a mild suggestion of \"maybe wear a mask, if you want to, it's ok if you don't\" and \"we have vaccines if you want one, no pressure tho\". That was really our response to the world's deadliest pandemic.",
">\n\nWe actively made fun of zero covid approaches on reddit and now based on the comments on this thread we are suddenly pro “zero covid” approaches",
">\n\nEveryone finally watched contagion",
">\n\nSo far my 2023 bingo card is reading alooot of skull and crossbones, I think I might actually win at something next year, what does your score card look like?",
">\n\nWhen’s that $1200 going to hit my account?",
">\n\nI’m still living off mine from last time!",
">\n\nI’m still looking for mine",
">\n\nI’m waiting for that $600 bucks from Biden still, but that’s going right into my retirement!",
">\n\nYou dont get he meant to include any money you already received as well /s",
">\n\nI seem to remember campaign ads with $2000 checks.",
">\n\nYep they explicitly mentioned $2,000 checks.",
">\n\nMy comment was sarcasm but in retrospect there are so many neoliberals saying that word for word in all seriousness that I should and will add a sarcasm tag",
">\n\nThat's nice and all, but let's not act like we're not just ignoring our own COVID problems.",
">\n\n\n\"You don't have zero tolerance anymore? We can't tolerate that.\"\n\n- Country with 100% tolerance",
">\n\nWhy not require a negative COVID test from everyone entering the country? It’s like they don’t want COVID to be under control.",
">\n\nI think this is because China has a relatively low vaccination rate because they relied on lock downs. Now that lock downs are being ramped down, they are having a huge surge.",
">\n\nThe vaccination rate in China is considerably higher than the US (92% vs 81%). This is just another example of yellow peril",
">\n\nThank you for pointing this out. What I said above was wrong about the vaccination rate. I don’t know why exactly China is having a surge. 🤷♂️",
">\n\nTheir vaccination rate is high but their vaccine, SinoVac is based on old tech. It conveys effectively zero protection from variants when compared to all the other types of vaccines on the market.",
">\n\nYou guys are so full of shit. At 3 doses Sinovac gives the same protection as any western vaccine with boosters to help mitigate mutated variants. Stop spreading misinfo.",
">\n\n\"Does that thumbnail of someone getting tested read too much like 'screaming uselessly into the void'?\"\n\"I'm sure it'll be fine.\"",
">\n\nMaybe, just maybe they shouldnt have stopped testing airplane passengers in the first place... \nWe have cheap, readily available tests that take 10 minutes to complete. There’s really no reason not to test ever passenger before boarding...",
">\n\nEveryone I know who had Omicron tested negative until their symptoms cleared. It was evading the RATs, for some reason.",
">\n\nI tested positive on a rapid test two days after getting congested. Every teacher coworker of mine who bothered to test after getting cold symptoms also did. I think it's why so few parents now test their kids before sending time to school sick. They don't want to know so we all find out when we or our family members then test positive, missing work on their sick kids' behalf so they didn't have to. \nI have also heard the rapid test can give false negatives but anecdotal references don't mean much.",
">\n\nA day late and a dollar short. Same old song and dance.",
">\n\nWow, it’s like history literally repeating itself.",
">\n\nIndeed it is. I hope everyone is prepared for what’s next."
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There is a high chance anyone that comes from China has Covid right now. Low chance that someone inside America has.
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"People from China will travel through Europe and come in to America from the east coast like they did when the pandemic started. This will do nothing if all travelers aboard aren’t made to test.",
">\n\nLet's hope EU and other countries do the same.",
">\n\nI don't know if they will. Australia (for example) had some of the toughest Covid policies and they've essentially just thrown them all out the window.\nSo I don't know how willing countries are to go back to being overly concerned about Covid.",
">\n\nThey should be concerned w chinese, it's spreading like wildfire in china. If we aren't careful, they will come out w covid 20.",
">\n\nIt’s spreading everywhere including the USA. This policy has nothing to do with science or medicine. It’s just politics.",
">\n\nNo. It’s circulating like mad in a population of 1 billion people who haven’t been exposed before. This is how new variants come about. Every country should require negative Covid test for china at least until it cycles through the population",
">\n\n\nNo. It’s circulating like mad in a population of 1 billion people who haven’t been exposed before.\n\nIt's also spreading like mad in all the countries of the world including the USA.\n\nThis is how new variants come about. \n\nAnd they have been for years now.\n\nEvery country should require negative Covid test for china at least until it cycles through the population\n\nOnly for political reasons. There is no scientific or rational demand for this. \nI get it, you hate china, most americans hate china so just be honest and say what you really mean.",
">\n\nStrains are spreading in the west yes, but there are new strains in China that are spreading and we don't know if our vaccines will work with those strains. We know the Chinese vaccines have a low efficacy rate and we know they are not mRNA vaccines which allow for easier adaptation to new strains. Making travelers with a Chinese passport take Covid tests at any and all airports is not racist or even unfair - a reminder that China has been relatively hard to travel to for the last 2 years because they were locked down to foreign travel as well. This is simply good policy from a public health measure, and you not wanting to see that for what it is and instead attribute it to a nascent American hatred for China is laughable. the World Health Organization estimated close to 800 million new cases in China in the next few months, with another estimate 4 million deaths and countless new strains coming out during that period. This is about protection populations, not punishing China.",
">\n\n\nStrains are spreading in the west yes, but there are new strains in China that are spreading and we don't know if our vaccines will work with those strains.\n\nYou don't know if vaccines work against any new variant even if that variant is from a country populated with white people.\n\nWe know the Chinese vaccines have a low efficacy rate and we know they are not mRNA vaccines which allow for easier adaptation to new strains. \n\nThe vaccine doesn't adapt once inside of your body you know that right?\n\nMaking travelers with a Chinese passport take Covid tests at any and all airports is not racist or even unfair \n\nit's definitely unfair and probably racist as well.\n\nhis is simply good policy from a public health measure, a\n\nA good policy would be to require vaccinations from everybody. Think about it, you are requiring a vaccine that you said doesn't even work. How much sense does that make?\n\nattribute it to a nascent American hatred for China is laughable.\n\nNascent?\n\nThis is about protection populations, not punishing China.\n\nIt's definitely about punishing china, it's a part of the current cold war with China conducted by the USA.",
">\n\n\nYou don't know if vaccines work against any new variant even if that variant is from a country populated with white people.\n\nAll the more reason to not invite more new strains into the country. White population or otherwise has nothing to do with it, expected rise in cases in China does.\n\nThe vaccine doesn't adapt once inside of your body you know that right?\n\nYou missed the point. The point i was making was that the Chinese medical system has not even approached Covid with an mRNA vaccine, and steadfastly refused to license western vaccines. If the vaccine most readily available in China has a 50% efficacy then the population is at more risk of contracting the virus and having negative results. The infection rates are increased with each new case of BA.7 (China is currently seeing each covid patient infecting on average 18 other people represented as 1:18, whereas the in US the rate is 1:3.9). Each of these factors increases the risk of developing new strains that are vaccine resistant. \n\nit's definitely unfair and probably racist as well\n\nIs it your position that nations cannot take any prescriptive action to prevent the spread of infected persons from other countries? Again i would remind you that China has basically been locked down for the last 2 years, with severe limitations to personal freedoms themselves. This is not based on race, but rather a government's inability to contain a contagious outbreak in their own country and not wanting it to spread. \n\nA good policy would be to require vaccinations from everybody. Think about it, you are requiring a vaccine that you said doesn't even work. How much sense does that make?\n\nThat might be your definition on good policy, but it isn't mine and that isn't how the west does it. \"I\" am not requiring a vaccine that \"I\" said doesn't work - that was your suggestion not mine. Also, i said the efficacy of the Chinese vaccine is 50% - based on available information - i never said it didn't work, and i never said that it should be mandatory or required.\n\nNascent?\n\nPoor and wrong word choice on my part it seems. What i meant was ascribing the US decision to require testing of Chinese travelers to racism because you believe that the US is racist is laughable. Taking a test to prove that you are covid negative is far less onerous on a traveler than most visa requirements.\n\nIt's definitely about punishing china, it's a part of the current cold war with China conducted by the USA.\n\nCite your sources. I could point to many Chinese government policies that i could say are part of the current cold war with the US without backing it up and it would be just as credible as what you said. Opinion is not a source, and not proof. You assume that the US government is racist, that this policy is racist and yet we have had travel bans imposed on other countries, as well as testing required for travelers from other countries imposed before, and other policies and so has China. For goodness sake China has been closed to foreigners for almost 3 years, and is still closed to foreign travel until January 2023. Is that a racist policy as well?",
">\n\nHere we go again.\nThis time I think I'll learn French cooking.",
">\n\n5000 People a day will have to die before Anybody says the word Lock down in the States ever again.",
">\n\nDon’t understand why people can’t handle staying at home for two weeks when it could potentially eradicate a deadly virus. Are we that weak?",
">\n\nWe did that in large part in March 2020. And did China not spend years locking down their citizens? \nPeoples savings are gone. They need to work. \nWearing a mask would do a lot to help the issue but people aren’t willing to do that anymore.",
">\n\nWe didn't do that though. We didn't all lock down when we were supposed to. Where I work I had to go in from the very start all the way through. Most people, the majority of people, didn't stay home even if they didn't have work. Most people didn't fuck with masks or keeping a distance, and even people who weren't antivaccers didn't take the vaccine seriously for the longest time. \nWe had no fucking lock down, unless you were a well-off celebrity or comedian who wanted to talk about being locked down for content. \nIf people legit locked down, they would have taken a small hit financially, but too many people didn't do shit and prolonged everything.",
">\n\nThe things is that it doesn't take long to drain peoples saving - becuase the overwhelming majority of people have practically none. \nSo an extended lockdown was never feasible unless the government was willing to pay several trillion dollars of expenses, not just 2 or 3 times but several times over.",
">\n\nI didn't dispute any of what you said. I pointed out that most people actively contested any safety measure and most people didn't actually lock down. Any extension will almost certainly be the fault of most of those people. \nI'd gladly let them all die if it meant the few people who did take things seriously didn't have to live through a Walking Dead scenario or have to take a huge financial hit because them.",
">\n\nMost people did lock down just fine initially. After a few weeks turned into a month or more, yeah people got testy.\nAdditionally, a gigantic amount of people work in critical industries and simply cant stay home. Just keeping the lights and water on requires tens of millions of workers, plus industries like plants and refineries that simply cannot shut down without massive long-term consequences.\nReddit is full of office people who can WFH, the vast majority of people cant.",
">\n\nI was one of those who couldn't stay home. Right out of the gate most people gave up on almost all of it except when they were making a show of complying when they had to. There was a lot of cheating. I walk through a lot of different areas. The waves of patients and bodies we got at work tracked with that and became predictable.",
">\n\nWhat’s that saying that ends with ”…doomed to repeat it?”",
">\n\nWhy not just require a negative test from everyone?",
">\n\nWho would you expect to pay for that?",
">\n\nGovernments or sponsors from the private sector ideally, I honestly don’t give a fuck. I’ve gotten many free tests from both and I’ve also bought some for like $8.",
">\n\n“Here we go again” from everyone in the comments. \nThe virus never stopped, we did.",
">\n\nVirus will always be there. Permanent restrictions are unsustainable",
">\n\n3 years later...\nIs this permanent?",
">\n\nI doubt there's anything that would make Republicans running in 2024 happier then Democrats advocating for a return to COVID restrictions.",
">\n\nRight? It’d be like the democrats fighting for gun control, or gay and trans rights, or safe and legal abortions. It would be political suicide to stand for something that Republicans don’t like!",
">\n\nMy understanding is that everything you listed is broadly popular or has at least a majority of American's in favor of it. A return to COVID restrictions is not in that category.",
">\n\nGun control isn’t even universally loved amongst the American left, as the hard left needs them for protection from the hard right they clash with, and the middle left does like having their guns taken as much as any middle right wing does, only mid left likes it",
">\n\nGallup has 57% of Americans feeling that in general gun laws should be more strict.",
">\n\nRegular people want kids to stop dying while in school. The problem is \"stricter laws\" is vague and no one can agree on what it means or give a serious proposal that would work, short of confiscation and bans, which are wildly unpopular.",
">\n\nVague political talking points is the best we’re going to get. Much as I’d love a Ross Perot style of breaking down every platform and promise, the general public doesn’t go for it. Buzz words are all we have the attention span for.",
">\n\nChina's COVID-19 surge raises odds of new coronavirus variants\nThings could get very ugly.",
">\n\nYou say this like covid hasn't been spreading rampantly through literally every country on the planet, mostly without any measures to stop the spread. Why does China get a different treatment and maybe countries should require tests from the US or Inida or Europe?",
">\n\nI agree. US was primarily the culprit of why COVID went rampant to begin with. We actively refused to enforce any sort of safety measures, just a mild suggestion of \"maybe wear a mask, if you want to, it's ok if you don't\" and \"we have vaccines if you want one, no pressure tho\". That was really our response to the world's deadliest pandemic.",
">\n\nWe actively made fun of zero covid approaches on reddit and now based on the comments on this thread we are suddenly pro “zero covid” approaches",
">\n\nEveryone finally watched contagion",
">\n\nSo far my 2023 bingo card is reading alooot of skull and crossbones, I think I might actually win at something next year, what does your score card look like?",
">\n\nWhen’s that $1200 going to hit my account?",
">\n\nI’m still living off mine from last time!",
">\n\nI’m still looking for mine",
">\n\nI’m waiting for that $600 bucks from Biden still, but that’s going right into my retirement!",
">\n\nYou dont get he meant to include any money you already received as well /s",
">\n\nI seem to remember campaign ads with $2000 checks.",
">\n\nYep they explicitly mentioned $2,000 checks.",
">\n\nMy comment was sarcasm but in retrospect there are so many neoliberals saying that word for word in all seriousness that I should and will add a sarcasm tag",
">\n\nThat's nice and all, but let's not act like we're not just ignoring our own COVID problems.",
">\n\n\n\"You don't have zero tolerance anymore? We can't tolerate that.\"\n\n- Country with 100% tolerance",
">\n\nWhy not require a negative COVID test from everyone entering the country? It’s like they don’t want COVID to be under control.",
">\n\nI think this is because China has a relatively low vaccination rate because they relied on lock downs. Now that lock downs are being ramped down, they are having a huge surge.",
">\n\nThe vaccination rate in China is considerably higher than the US (92% vs 81%). This is just another example of yellow peril",
">\n\nThank you for pointing this out. What I said above was wrong about the vaccination rate. I don’t know why exactly China is having a surge. 🤷♂️",
">\n\nTheir vaccination rate is high but their vaccine, SinoVac is based on old tech. It conveys effectively zero protection from variants when compared to all the other types of vaccines on the market.",
">\n\nYou guys are so full of shit. At 3 doses Sinovac gives the same protection as any western vaccine with boosters to help mitigate mutated variants. Stop spreading misinfo.",
">\n\n\"Does that thumbnail of someone getting tested read too much like 'screaming uselessly into the void'?\"\n\"I'm sure it'll be fine.\"",
">\n\nMaybe, just maybe they shouldnt have stopped testing airplane passengers in the first place... \nWe have cheap, readily available tests that take 10 minutes to complete. There’s really no reason not to test ever passenger before boarding...",
">\n\nEveryone I know who had Omicron tested negative until their symptoms cleared. It was evading the RATs, for some reason.",
">\n\nI tested positive on a rapid test two days after getting congested. Every teacher coworker of mine who bothered to test after getting cold symptoms also did. I think it's why so few parents now test their kids before sending time to school sick. They don't want to know so we all find out when we or our family members then test positive, missing work on their sick kids' behalf so they didn't have to. \nI have also heard the rapid test can give false negatives but anecdotal references don't mean much.",
">\n\nA day late and a dollar short. Same old song and dance.",
">\n\nWow, it’s like history literally repeating itself.",
">\n\nIndeed it is. I hope everyone is prepared for what’s next.",
">\n\nWe should require negative COVID tests for people to fly within the US, too.\nIt makes no difference to me if the person who infects me at LAX is coming in from China, or from Texas."
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Naw. China’s percent is much higher, sure, but it’s not like US infection rates are low. You can pretty much guarantee an infected American on every sold out domestic flight. The latest variants are super, super contagious, and it only takes one infected person to pose a serious risk to the other people sharing their space, and then all of their families and friends after they land. All flights should still require testing and masking at this point, or all we’ve really accomplished is pacifying the dimwits and xenophobes.
I know at least 3 people who 100% contracted COVID while flying domestically in the US this last month - because they were isolated for the incubation period beforehand. They were masked the entire time they were in the airport and on the plane.
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"People from China will travel through Europe and come in to America from the east coast like they did when the pandemic started. This will do nothing if all travelers aboard aren’t made to test.",
">\n\nLet's hope EU and other countries do the same.",
">\n\nI don't know if they will. Australia (for example) had some of the toughest Covid policies and they've essentially just thrown them all out the window.\nSo I don't know how willing countries are to go back to being overly concerned about Covid.",
">\n\nThey should be concerned w chinese, it's spreading like wildfire in china. If we aren't careful, they will come out w covid 20.",
">\n\nIt’s spreading everywhere including the USA. This policy has nothing to do with science or medicine. It’s just politics.",
">\n\nNo. It’s circulating like mad in a population of 1 billion people who haven’t been exposed before. This is how new variants come about. Every country should require negative Covid test for china at least until it cycles through the population",
">\n\n\nNo. It’s circulating like mad in a population of 1 billion people who haven’t been exposed before.\n\nIt's also spreading like mad in all the countries of the world including the USA.\n\nThis is how new variants come about. \n\nAnd they have been for years now.\n\nEvery country should require negative Covid test for china at least until it cycles through the population\n\nOnly for political reasons. There is no scientific or rational demand for this. \nI get it, you hate china, most americans hate china so just be honest and say what you really mean.",
">\n\nStrains are spreading in the west yes, but there are new strains in China that are spreading and we don't know if our vaccines will work with those strains. We know the Chinese vaccines have a low efficacy rate and we know they are not mRNA vaccines which allow for easier adaptation to new strains. Making travelers with a Chinese passport take Covid tests at any and all airports is not racist or even unfair - a reminder that China has been relatively hard to travel to for the last 2 years because they were locked down to foreign travel as well. This is simply good policy from a public health measure, and you not wanting to see that for what it is and instead attribute it to a nascent American hatred for China is laughable. the World Health Organization estimated close to 800 million new cases in China in the next few months, with another estimate 4 million deaths and countless new strains coming out during that period. This is about protection populations, not punishing China.",
">\n\n\nStrains are spreading in the west yes, but there are new strains in China that are spreading and we don't know if our vaccines will work with those strains.\n\nYou don't know if vaccines work against any new variant even if that variant is from a country populated with white people.\n\nWe know the Chinese vaccines have a low efficacy rate and we know they are not mRNA vaccines which allow for easier adaptation to new strains. \n\nThe vaccine doesn't adapt once inside of your body you know that right?\n\nMaking travelers with a Chinese passport take Covid tests at any and all airports is not racist or even unfair \n\nit's definitely unfair and probably racist as well.\n\nhis is simply good policy from a public health measure, a\n\nA good policy would be to require vaccinations from everybody. Think about it, you are requiring a vaccine that you said doesn't even work. How much sense does that make?\n\nattribute it to a nascent American hatred for China is laughable.\n\nNascent?\n\nThis is about protection populations, not punishing China.\n\nIt's definitely about punishing china, it's a part of the current cold war with China conducted by the USA.",
">\n\n\nYou don't know if vaccines work against any new variant even if that variant is from a country populated with white people.\n\nAll the more reason to not invite more new strains into the country. White population or otherwise has nothing to do with it, expected rise in cases in China does.\n\nThe vaccine doesn't adapt once inside of your body you know that right?\n\nYou missed the point. The point i was making was that the Chinese medical system has not even approached Covid with an mRNA vaccine, and steadfastly refused to license western vaccines. If the vaccine most readily available in China has a 50% efficacy then the population is at more risk of contracting the virus and having negative results. The infection rates are increased with each new case of BA.7 (China is currently seeing each covid patient infecting on average 18 other people represented as 1:18, whereas the in US the rate is 1:3.9). Each of these factors increases the risk of developing new strains that are vaccine resistant. \n\nit's definitely unfair and probably racist as well\n\nIs it your position that nations cannot take any prescriptive action to prevent the spread of infected persons from other countries? Again i would remind you that China has basically been locked down for the last 2 years, with severe limitations to personal freedoms themselves. This is not based on race, but rather a government's inability to contain a contagious outbreak in their own country and not wanting it to spread. \n\nA good policy would be to require vaccinations from everybody. Think about it, you are requiring a vaccine that you said doesn't even work. How much sense does that make?\n\nThat might be your definition on good policy, but it isn't mine and that isn't how the west does it. \"I\" am not requiring a vaccine that \"I\" said doesn't work - that was your suggestion not mine. Also, i said the efficacy of the Chinese vaccine is 50% - based on available information - i never said it didn't work, and i never said that it should be mandatory or required.\n\nNascent?\n\nPoor and wrong word choice on my part it seems. What i meant was ascribing the US decision to require testing of Chinese travelers to racism because you believe that the US is racist is laughable. Taking a test to prove that you are covid negative is far less onerous on a traveler than most visa requirements.\n\nIt's definitely about punishing china, it's a part of the current cold war with China conducted by the USA.\n\nCite your sources. I could point to many Chinese government policies that i could say are part of the current cold war with the US without backing it up and it would be just as credible as what you said. Opinion is not a source, and not proof. You assume that the US government is racist, that this policy is racist and yet we have had travel bans imposed on other countries, as well as testing required for travelers from other countries imposed before, and other policies and so has China. For goodness sake China has been closed to foreigners for almost 3 years, and is still closed to foreign travel until January 2023. Is that a racist policy as well?",
">\n\nHere we go again.\nThis time I think I'll learn French cooking.",
">\n\n5000 People a day will have to die before Anybody says the word Lock down in the States ever again.",
">\n\nDon’t understand why people can’t handle staying at home for two weeks when it could potentially eradicate a deadly virus. Are we that weak?",
">\n\nWe did that in large part in March 2020. And did China not spend years locking down their citizens? \nPeoples savings are gone. They need to work. \nWearing a mask would do a lot to help the issue but people aren’t willing to do that anymore.",
">\n\nWe didn't do that though. We didn't all lock down when we were supposed to. Where I work I had to go in from the very start all the way through. Most people, the majority of people, didn't stay home even if they didn't have work. Most people didn't fuck with masks or keeping a distance, and even people who weren't antivaccers didn't take the vaccine seriously for the longest time. \nWe had no fucking lock down, unless you were a well-off celebrity or comedian who wanted to talk about being locked down for content. \nIf people legit locked down, they would have taken a small hit financially, but too many people didn't do shit and prolonged everything.",
">\n\nThe things is that it doesn't take long to drain peoples saving - becuase the overwhelming majority of people have practically none. \nSo an extended lockdown was never feasible unless the government was willing to pay several trillion dollars of expenses, not just 2 or 3 times but several times over.",
">\n\nI didn't dispute any of what you said. I pointed out that most people actively contested any safety measure and most people didn't actually lock down. Any extension will almost certainly be the fault of most of those people. \nI'd gladly let them all die if it meant the few people who did take things seriously didn't have to live through a Walking Dead scenario or have to take a huge financial hit because them.",
">\n\nMost people did lock down just fine initially. After a few weeks turned into a month or more, yeah people got testy.\nAdditionally, a gigantic amount of people work in critical industries and simply cant stay home. Just keeping the lights and water on requires tens of millions of workers, plus industries like plants and refineries that simply cannot shut down without massive long-term consequences.\nReddit is full of office people who can WFH, the vast majority of people cant.",
">\n\nI was one of those who couldn't stay home. Right out of the gate most people gave up on almost all of it except when they were making a show of complying when they had to. There was a lot of cheating. I walk through a lot of different areas. The waves of patients and bodies we got at work tracked with that and became predictable.",
">\n\nWhat’s that saying that ends with ”…doomed to repeat it?”",
">\n\nWhy not just require a negative test from everyone?",
">\n\nWho would you expect to pay for that?",
">\n\nGovernments or sponsors from the private sector ideally, I honestly don’t give a fuck. I’ve gotten many free tests from both and I’ve also bought some for like $8.",
">\n\n“Here we go again” from everyone in the comments. \nThe virus never stopped, we did.",
">\n\nVirus will always be there. Permanent restrictions are unsustainable",
">\n\n3 years later...\nIs this permanent?",
">\n\nI doubt there's anything that would make Republicans running in 2024 happier then Democrats advocating for a return to COVID restrictions.",
">\n\nRight? It’d be like the democrats fighting for gun control, or gay and trans rights, or safe and legal abortions. It would be political suicide to stand for something that Republicans don’t like!",
">\n\nMy understanding is that everything you listed is broadly popular or has at least a majority of American's in favor of it. A return to COVID restrictions is not in that category.",
">\n\nGun control isn’t even universally loved amongst the American left, as the hard left needs them for protection from the hard right they clash with, and the middle left does like having their guns taken as much as any middle right wing does, only mid left likes it",
">\n\nGallup has 57% of Americans feeling that in general gun laws should be more strict.",
">\n\nRegular people want kids to stop dying while in school. The problem is \"stricter laws\" is vague and no one can agree on what it means or give a serious proposal that would work, short of confiscation and bans, which are wildly unpopular.",
">\n\nVague political talking points is the best we’re going to get. Much as I’d love a Ross Perot style of breaking down every platform and promise, the general public doesn’t go for it. Buzz words are all we have the attention span for.",
">\n\nChina's COVID-19 surge raises odds of new coronavirus variants\nThings could get very ugly.",
">\n\nYou say this like covid hasn't been spreading rampantly through literally every country on the planet, mostly without any measures to stop the spread. Why does China get a different treatment and maybe countries should require tests from the US or Inida or Europe?",
">\n\nI agree. US was primarily the culprit of why COVID went rampant to begin with. We actively refused to enforce any sort of safety measures, just a mild suggestion of \"maybe wear a mask, if you want to, it's ok if you don't\" and \"we have vaccines if you want one, no pressure tho\". That was really our response to the world's deadliest pandemic.",
">\n\nWe actively made fun of zero covid approaches on reddit and now based on the comments on this thread we are suddenly pro “zero covid” approaches",
">\n\nEveryone finally watched contagion",
">\n\nSo far my 2023 bingo card is reading alooot of skull and crossbones, I think I might actually win at something next year, what does your score card look like?",
">\n\nWhen’s that $1200 going to hit my account?",
">\n\nI’m still living off mine from last time!",
">\n\nI’m still looking for mine",
">\n\nI’m waiting for that $600 bucks from Biden still, but that’s going right into my retirement!",
">\n\nYou dont get he meant to include any money you already received as well /s",
">\n\nI seem to remember campaign ads with $2000 checks.",
">\n\nYep they explicitly mentioned $2,000 checks.",
">\n\nMy comment was sarcasm but in retrospect there are so many neoliberals saying that word for word in all seriousness that I should and will add a sarcasm tag",
">\n\nThat's nice and all, but let's not act like we're not just ignoring our own COVID problems.",
">\n\n\n\"You don't have zero tolerance anymore? We can't tolerate that.\"\n\n- Country with 100% tolerance",
">\n\nWhy not require a negative COVID test from everyone entering the country? It’s like they don’t want COVID to be under control.",
">\n\nI think this is because China has a relatively low vaccination rate because they relied on lock downs. Now that lock downs are being ramped down, they are having a huge surge.",
">\n\nThe vaccination rate in China is considerably higher than the US (92% vs 81%). This is just another example of yellow peril",
">\n\nThank you for pointing this out. What I said above was wrong about the vaccination rate. I don’t know why exactly China is having a surge. 🤷♂️",
">\n\nTheir vaccination rate is high but their vaccine, SinoVac is based on old tech. It conveys effectively zero protection from variants when compared to all the other types of vaccines on the market.",
">\n\nYou guys are so full of shit. At 3 doses Sinovac gives the same protection as any western vaccine with boosters to help mitigate mutated variants. Stop spreading misinfo.",
">\n\n\"Does that thumbnail of someone getting tested read too much like 'screaming uselessly into the void'?\"\n\"I'm sure it'll be fine.\"",
">\n\nMaybe, just maybe they shouldnt have stopped testing airplane passengers in the first place... \nWe have cheap, readily available tests that take 10 minutes to complete. There’s really no reason not to test ever passenger before boarding...",
">\n\nEveryone I know who had Omicron tested negative until their symptoms cleared. It was evading the RATs, for some reason.",
">\n\nI tested positive on a rapid test two days after getting congested. Every teacher coworker of mine who bothered to test after getting cold symptoms also did. I think it's why so few parents now test their kids before sending time to school sick. They don't want to know so we all find out when we or our family members then test positive, missing work on their sick kids' behalf so they didn't have to. \nI have also heard the rapid test can give false negatives but anecdotal references don't mean much.",
">\n\nA day late and a dollar short. Same old song and dance.",
">\n\nWow, it’s like history literally repeating itself.",
">\n\nIndeed it is. I hope everyone is prepared for what’s next.",
">\n\nWe should require negative COVID tests for people to fly within the US, too.\nIt makes no difference to me if the person who infects me at LAX is coming in from China, or from Texas.",
">\n\nThere is a high chance anyone that comes from China has Covid right now. Low chance that someone inside America has."
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If they were masked up and I assume vaccinated and still caught the virus then preventable measures like these aren’t that effective.
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"People from China will travel through Europe and come in to America from the east coast like they did when the pandemic started. This will do nothing if all travelers aboard aren’t made to test.",
">\n\nLet's hope EU and other countries do the same.",
">\n\nI don't know if they will. Australia (for example) had some of the toughest Covid policies and they've essentially just thrown them all out the window.\nSo I don't know how willing countries are to go back to being overly concerned about Covid.",
">\n\nThey should be concerned w chinese, it's spreading like wildfire in china. If we aren't careful, they will come out w covid 20.",
">\n\nIt’s spreading everywhere including the USA. This policy has nothing to do with science or medicine. It’s just politics.",
">\n\nNo. It’s circulating like mad in a population of 1 billion people who haven’t been exposed before. This is how new variants come about. Every country should require negative Covid test for china at least until it cycles through the population",
">\n\n\nNo. It’s circulating like mad in a population of 1 billion people who haven’t been exposed before.\n\nIt's also spreading like mad in all the countries of the world including the USA.\n\nThis is how new variants come about. \n\nAnd they have been for years now.\n\nEvery country should require negative Covid test for china at least until it cycles through the population\n\nOnly for political reasons. There is no scientific or rational demand for this. \nI get it, you hate china, most americans hate china so just be honest and say what you really mean.",
">\n\nStrains are spreading in the west yes, but there are new strains in China that are spreading and we don't know if our vaccines will work with those strains. We know the Chinese vaccines have a low efficacy rate and we know they are not mRNA vaccines which allow for easier adaptation to new strains. Making travelers with a Chinese passport take Covid tests at any and all airports is not racist or even unfair - a reminder that China has been relatively hard to travel to for the last 2 years because they were locked down to foreign travel as well. This is simply good policy from a public health measure, and you not wanting to see that for what it is and instead attribute it to a nascent American hatred for China is laughable. the World Health Organization estimated close to 800 million new cases in China in the next few months, with another estimate 4 million deaths and countless new strains coming out during that period. This is about protection populations, not punishing China.",
">\n\n\nStrains are spreading in the west yes, but there are new strains in China that are spreading and we don't know if our vaccines will work with those strains.\n\nYou don't know if vaccines work against any new variant even if that variant is from a country populated with white people.\n\nWe know the Chinese vaccines have a low efficacy rate and we know they are not mRNA vaccines which allow for easier adaptation to new strains. \n\nThe vaccine doesn't adapt once inside of your body you know that right?\n\nMaking travelers with a Chinese passport take Covid tests at any and all airports is not racist or even unfair \n\nit's definitely unfair and probably racist as well.\n\nhis is simply good policy from a public health measure, a\n\nA good policy would be to require vaccinations from everybody. Think about it, you are requiring a vaccine that you said doesn't even work. How much sense does that make?\n\nattribute it to a nascent American hatred for China is laughable.\n\nNascent?\n\nThis is about protection populations, not punishing China.\n\nIt's definitely about punishing china, it's a part of the current cold war with China conducted by the USA.",
">\n\n\nYou don't know if vaccines work against any new variant even if that variant is from a country populated with white people.\n\nAll the more reason to not invite more new strains into the country. White population or otherwise has nothing to do with it, expected rise in cases in China does.\n\nThe vaccine doesn't adapt once inside of your body you know that right?\n\nYou missed the point. The point i was making was that the Chinese medical system has not even approached Covid with an mRNA vaccine, and steadfastly refused to license western vaccines. If the vaccine most readily available in China has a 50% efficacy then the population is at more risk of contracting the virus and having negative results. The infection rates are increased with each new case of BA.7 (China is currently seeing each covid patient infecting on average 18 other people represented as 1:18, whereas the in US the rate is 1:3.9). Each of these factors increases the risk of developing new strains that are vaccine resistant. \n\nit's definitely unfair and probably racist as well\n\nIs it your position that nations cannot take any prescriptive action to prevent the spread of infected persons from other countries? Again i would remind you that China has basically been locked down for the last 2 years, with severe limitations to personal freedoms themselves. This is not based on race, but rather a government's inability to contain a contagious outbreak in their own country and not wanting it to spread. \n\nA good policy would be to require vaccinations from everybody. Think about it, you are requiring a vaccine that you said doesn't even work. How much sense does that make?\n\nThat might be your definition on good policy, but it isn't mine and that isn't how the west does it. \"I\" am not requiring a vaccine that \"I\" said doesn't work - that was your suggestion not mine. Also, i said the efficacy of the Chinese vaccine is 50% - based on available information - i never said it didn't work, and i never said that it should be mandatory or required.\n\nNascent?\n\nPoor and wrong word choice on my part it seems. What i meant was ascribing the US decision to require testing of Chinese travelers to racism because you believe that the US is racist is laughable. Taking a test to prove that you are covid negative is far less onerous on a traveler than most visa requirements.\n\nIt's definitely about punishing china, it's a part of the current cold war with China conducted by the USA.\n\nCite your sources. I could point to many Chinese government policies that i could say are part of the current cold war with the US without backing it up and it would be just as credible as what you said. Opinion is not a source, and not proof. You assume that the US government is racist, that this policy is racist and yet we have had travel bans imposed on other countries, as well as testing required for travelers from other countries imposed before, and other policies and so has China. For goodness sake China has been closed to foreigners for almost 3 years, and is still closed to foreign travel until January 2023. Is that a racist policy as well?",
">\n\nHere we go again.\nThis time I think I'll learn French cooking.",
">\n\n5000 People a day will have to die before Anybody says the word Lock down in the States ever again.",
">\n\nDon’t understand why people can’t handle staying at home for two weeks when it could potentially eradicate a deadly virus. Are we that weak?",
">\n\nWe did that in large part in March 2020. And did China not spend years locking down their citizens? \nPeoples savings are gone. They need to work. \nWearing a mask would do a lot to help the issue but people aren’t willing to do that anymore.",
">\n\nWe didn't do that though. We didn't all lock down when we were supposed to. Where I work I had to go in from the very start all the way through. Most people, the majority of people, didn't stay home even if they didn't have work. Most people didn't fuck with masks or keeping a distance, and even people who weren't antivaccers didn't take the vaccine seriously for the longest time. \nWe had no fucking lock down, unless you were a well-off celebrity or comedian who wanted to talk about being locked down for content. \nIf people legit locked down, they would have taken a small hit financially, but too many people didn't do shit and prolonged everything.",
">\n\nThe things is that it doesn't take long to drain peoples saving - becuase the overwhelming majority of people have practically none. \nSo an extended lockdown was never feasible unless the government was willing to pay several trillion dollars of expenses, not just 2 or 3 times but several times over.",
">\n\nI didn't dispute any of what you said. I pointed out that most people actively contested any safety measure and most people didn't actually lock down. Any extension will almost certainly be the fault of most of those people. \nI'd gladly let them all die if it meant the few people who did take things seriously didn't have to live through a Walking Dead scenario or have to take a huge financial hit because them.",
">\n\nMost people did lock down just fine initially. After a few weeks turned into a month or more, yeah people got testy.\nAdditionally, a gigantic amount of people work in critical industries and simply cant stay home. Just keeping the lights and water on requires tens of millions of workers, plus industries like plants and refineries that simply cannot shut down without massive long-term consequences.\nReddit is full of office people who can WFH, the vast majority of people cant.",
">\n\nI was one of those who couldn't stay home. Right out of the gate most people gave up on almost all of it except when they were making a show of complying when they had to. There was a lot of cheating. I walk through a lot of different areas. The waves of patients and bodies we got at work tracked with that and became predictable.",
">\n\nWhat’s that saying that ends with ”…doomed to repeat it?”",
">\n\nWhy not just require a negative test from everyone?",
">\n\nWho would you expect to pay for that?",
">\n\nGovernments or sponsors from the private sector ideally, I honestly don’t give a fuck. I’ve gotten many free tests from both and I’ve also bought some for like $8.",
">\n\n“Here we go again” from everyone in the comments. \nThe virus never stopped, we did.",
">\n\nVirus will always be there. Permanent restrictions are unsustainable",
">\n\n3 years later...\nIs this permanent?",
">\n\nI doubt there's anything that would make Republicans running in 2024 happier then Democrats advocating for a return to COVID restrictions.",
">\n\nRight? It’d be like the democrats fighting for gun control, or gay and trans rights, or safe and legal abortions. It would be political suicide to stand for something that Republicans don’t like!",
">\n\nMy understanding is that everything you listed is broadly popular or has at least a majority of American's in favor of it. A return to COVID restrictions is not in that category.",
">\n\nGun control isn’t even universally loved amongst the American left, as the hard left needs them for protection from the hard right they clash with, and the middle left does like having their guns taken as much as any middle right wing does, only mid left likes it",
">\n\nGallup has 57% of Americans feeling that in general gun laws should be more strict.",
">\n\nRegular people want kids to stop dying while in school. The problem is \"stricter laws\" is vague and no one can agree on what it means or give a serious proposal that would work, short of confiscation and bans, which are wildly unpopular.",
">\n\nVague political talking points is the best we’re going to get. Much as I’d love a Ross Perot style of breaking down every platform and promise, the general public doesn’t go for it. Buzz words are all we have the attention span for.",
">\n\nChina's COVID-19 surge raises odds of new coronavirus variants\nThings could get very ugly.",
">\n\nYou say this like covid hasn't been spreading rampantly through literally every country on the planet, mostly without any measures to stop the spread. Why does China get a different treatment and maybe countries should require tests from the US or Inida or Europe?",
">\n\nI agree. US was primarily the culprit of why COVID went rampant to begin with. We actively refused to enforce any sort of safety measures, just a mild suggestion of \"maybe wear a mask, if you want to, it's ok if you don't\" and \"we have vaccines if you want one, no pressure tho\". That was really our response to the world's deadliest pandemic.",
">\n\nWe actively made fun of zero covid approaches on reddit and now based on the comments on this thread we are suddenly pro “zero covid” approaches",
">\n\nEveryone finally watched contagion",
">\n\nSo far my 2023 bingo card is reading alooot of skull and crossbones, I think I might actually win at something next year, what does your score card look like?",
">\n\nWhen’s that $1200 going to hit my account?",
">\n\nI’m still living off mine from last time!",
">\n\nI’m still looking for mine",
">\n\nI’m waiting for that $600 bucks from Biden still, but that’s going right into my retirement!",
">\n\nYou dont get he meant to include any money you already received as well /s",
">\n\nI seem to remember campaign ads with $2000 checks.",
">\n\nYep they explicitly mentioned $2,000 checks.",
">\n\nMy comment was sarcasm but in retrospect there are so many neoliberals saying that word for word in all seriousness that I should and will add a sarcasm tag",
">\n\nThat's nice and all, but let's not act like we're not just ignoring our own COVID problems.",
">\n\n\n\"You don't have zero tolerance anymore? We can't tolerate that.\"\n\n- Country with 100% tolerance",
">\n\nWhy not require a negative COVID test from everyone entering the country? It’s like they don’t want COVID to be under control.",
">\n\nI think this is because China has a relatively low vaccination rate because they relied on lock downs. Now that lock downs are being ramped down, they are having a huge surge.",
">\n\nThe vaccination rate in China is considerably higher than the US (92% vs 81%). This is just another example of yellow peril",
">\n\nThank you for pointing this out. What I said above was wrong about the vaccination rate. I don’t know why exactly China is having a surge. 🤷♂️",
">\n\nTheir vaccination rate is high but their vaccine, SinoVac is based on old tech. It conveys effectively zero protection from variants when compared to all the other types of vaccines on the market.",
">\n\nYou guys are so full of shit. At 3 doses Sinovac gives the same protection as any western vaccine with boosters to help mitigate mutated variants. Stop spreading misinfo.",
">\n\n\"Does that thumbnail of someone getting tested read too much like 'screaming uselessly into the void'?\"\n\"I'm sure it'll be fine.\"",
">\n\nMaybe, just maybe they shouldnt have stopped testing airplane passengers in the first place... \nWe have cheap, readily available tests that take 10 minutes to complete. There’s really no reason not to test ever passenger before boarding...",
">\n\nEveryone I know who had Omicron tested negative until their symptoms cleared. It was evading the RATs, for some reason.",
">\n\nI tested positive on a rapid test two days after getting congested. Every teacher coworker of mine who bothered to test after getting cold symptoms also did. I think it's why so few parents now test their kids before sending time to school sick. They don't want to know so we all find out when we or our family members then test positive, missing work on their sick kids' behalf so they didn't have to. \nI have also heard the rapid test can give false negatives but anecdotal references don't mean much.",
">\n\nA day late and a dollar short. Same old song and dance.",
">\n\nWow, it’s like history literally repeating itself.",
">\n\nIndeed it is. I hope everyone is prepared for what’s next.",
">\n\nWe should require negative COVID tests for people to fly within the US, too.\nIt makes no difference to me if the person who infects me at LAX is coming in from China, or from Texas.",
">\n\nThere is a high chance anyone that comes from China has Covid right now. Low chance that someone inside America has.",
">\n\nNaw. China’s percent is much higher, sure, but it’s not like US infection rates are low. You can pretty much guarantee an infected American on every sold out domestic flight. The latest variants are super, super contagious, and it only takes one infected person to pose a serious risk to the other people sharing their space, and then all of their families and friends after they land. All flights should still require testing and masking at this point, or all we’ve really accomplished is pacifying the dimwits and xenophobes.\nI know at least 3 people who 100% contracted COVID while flying domestically in the US this last month - because they were isolated for the incubation period beforehand. They were masked the entire time they were in the airport and on the plane."
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Is there a new strain of Covid that isn't in the U.S yet, otherwise what's the point.
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"People from China will travel through Europe and come in to America from the east coast like they did when the pandemic started. This will do nothing if all travelers aboard aren’t made to test.",
">\n\nLet's hope EU and other countries do the same.",
">\n\nI don't know if they will. Australia (for example) had some of the toughest Covid policies and they've essentially just thrown them all out the window.\nSo I don't know how willing countries are to go back to being overly concerned about Covid.",
">\n\nThey should be concerned w chinese, it's spreading like wildfire in china. If we aren't careful, they will come out w covid 20.",
">\n\nIt’s spreading everywhere including the USA. This policy has nothing to do with science or medicine. It’s just politics.",
">\n\nNo. It’s circulating like mad in a population of 1 billion people who haven’t been exposed before. This is how new variants come about. Every country should require negative Covid test for china at least until it cycles through the population",
">\n\n\nNo. It’s circulating like mad in a population of 1 billion people who haven’t been exposed before.\n\nIt's also spreading like mad in all the countries of the world including the USA.\n\nThis is how new variants come about. \n\nAnd they have been for years now.\n\nEvery country should require negative Covid test for china at least until it cycles through the population\n\nOnly for political reasons. There is no scientific or rational demand for this. \nI get it, you hate china, most americans hate china so just be honest and say what you really mean.",
">\n\nStrains are spreading in the west yes, but there are new strains in China that are spreading and we don't know if our vaccines will work with those strains. We know the Chinese vaccines have a low efficacy rate and we know they are not mRNA vaccines which allow for easier adaptation to new strains. Making travelers with a Chinese passport take Covid tests at any and all airports is not racist or even unfair - a reminder that China has been relatively hard to travel to for the last 2 years because they were locked down to foreign travel as well. This is simply good policy from a public health measure, and you not wanting to see that for what it is and instead attribute it to a nascent American hatred for China is laughable. the World Health Organization estimated close to 800 million new cases in China in the next few months, with another estimate 4 million deaths and countless new strains coming out during that period. This is about protection populations, not punishing China.",
">\n\n\nStrains are spreading in the west yes, but there are new strains in China that are spreading and we don't know if our vaccines will work with those strains.\n\nYou don't know if vaccines work against any new variant even if that variant is from a country populated with white people.\n\nWe know the Chinese vaccines have a low efficacy rate and we know they are not mRNA vaccines which allow for easier adaptation to new strains. \n\nThe vaccine doesn't adapt once inside of your body you know that right?\n\nMaking travelers with a Chinese passport take Covid tests at any and all airports is not racist or even unfair \n\nit's definitely unfair and probably racist as well.\n\nhis is simply good policy from a public health measure, a\n\nA good policy would be to require vaccinations from everybody. Think about it, you are requiring a vaccine that you said doesn't even work. How much sense does that make?\n\nattribute it to a nascent American hatred for China is laughable.\n\nNascent?\n\nThis is about protection populations, not punishing China.\n\nIt's definitely about punishing china, it's a part of the current cold war with China conducted by the USA.",
">\n\n\nYou don't know if vaccines work against any new variant even if that variant is from a country populated with white people.\n\nAll the more reason to not invite more new strains into the country. White population or otherwise has nothing to do with it, expected rise in cases in China does.\n\nThe vaccine doesn't adapt once inside of your body you know that right?\n\nYou missed the point. The point i was making was that the Chinese medical system has not even approached Covid with an mRNA vaccine, and steadfastly refused to license western vaccines. If the vaccine most readily available in China has a 50% efficacy then the population is at more risk of contracting the virus and having negative results. The infection rates are increased with each new case of BA.7 (China is currently seeing each covid patient infecting on average 18 other people represented as 1:18, whereas the in US the rate is 1:3.9). Each of these factors increases the risk of developing new strains that are vaccine resistant. \n\nit's definitely unfair and probably racist as well\n\nIs it your position that nations cannot take any prescriptive action to prevent the spread of infected persons from other countries? Again i would remind you that China has basically been locked down for the last 2 years, with severe limitations to personal freedoms themselves. This is not based on race, but rather a government's inability to contain a contagious outbreak in their own country and not wanting it to spread. \n\nA good policy would be to require vaccinations from everybody. Think about it, you are requiring a vaccine that you said doesn't even work. How much sense does that make?\n\nThat might be your definition on good policy, but it isn't mine and that isn't how the west does it. \"I\" am not requiring a vaccine that \"I\" said doesn't work - that was your suggestion not mine. Also, i said the efficacy of the Chinese vaccine is 50% - based on available information - i never said it didn't work, and i never said that it should be mandatory or required.\n\nNascent?\n\nPoor and wrong word choice on my part it seems. What i meant was ascribing the US decision to require testing of Chinese travelers to racism because you believe that the US is racist is laughable. Taking a test to prove that you are covid negative is far less onerous on a traveler than most visa requirements.\n\nIt's definitely about punishing china, it's a part of the current cold war with China conducted by the USA.\n\nCite your sources. I could point to many Chinese government policies that i could say are part of the current cold war with the US without backing it up and it would be just as credible as what you said. Opinion is not a source, and not proof. You assume that the US government is racist, that this policy is racist and yet we have had travel bans imposed on other countries, as well as testing required for travelers from other countries imposed before, and other policies and so has China. For goodness sake China has been closed to foreigners for almost 3 years, and is still closed to foreign travel until January 2023. Is that a racist policy as well?",
">\n\nHere we go again.\nThis time I think I'll learn French cooking.",
">\n\n5000 People a day will have to die before Anybody says the word Lock down in the States ever again.",
">\n\nDon’t understand why people can’t handle staying at home for two weeks when it could potentially eradicate a deadly virus. Are we that weak?",
">\n\nWe did that in large part in March 2020. And did China not spend years locking down their citizens? \nPeoples savings are gone. They need to work. \nWearing a mask would do a lot to help the issue but people aren’t willing to do that anymore.",
">\n\nWe didn't do that though. We didn't all lock down when we were supposed to. Where I work I had to go in from the very start all the way through. Most people, the majority of people, didn't stay home even if they didn't have work. Most people didn't fuck with masks or keeping a distance, and even people who weren't antivaccers didn't take the vaccine seriously for the longest time. \nWe had no fucking lock down, unless you were a well-off celebrity or comedian who wanted to talk about being locked down for content. \nIf people legit locked down, they would have taken a small hit financially, but too many people didn't do shit and prolonged everything.",
">\n\nThe things is that it doesn't take long to drain peoples saving - becuase the overwhelming majority of people have practically none. \nSo an extended lockdown was never feasible unless the government was willing to pay several trillion dollars of expenses, not just 2 or 3 times but several times over.",
">\n\nI didn't dispute any of what you said. I pointed out that most people actively contested any safety measure and most people didn't actually lock down. Any extension will almost certainly be the fault of most of those people. \nI'd gladly let them all die if it meant the few people who did take things seriously didn't have to live through a Walking Dead scenario or have to take a huge financial hit because them.",
">\n\nMost people did lock down just fine initially. After a few weeks turned into a month or more, yeah people got testy.\nAdditionally, a gigantic amount of people work in critical industries and simply cant stay home. Just keeping the lights and water on requires tens of millions of workers, plus industries like plants and refineries that simply cannot shut down without massive long-term consequences.\nReddit is full of office people who can WFH, the vast majority of people cant.",
">\n\nI was one of those who couldn't stay home. Right out of the gate most people gave up on almost all of it except when they were making a show of complying when they had to. There was a lot of cheating. I walk through a lot of different areas. The waves of patients and bodies we got at work tracked with that and became predictable.",
">\n\nWhat’s that saying that ends with ”…doomed to repeat it?”",
">\n\nWhy not just require a negative test from everyone?",
">\n\nWho would you expect to pay for that?",
">\n\nGovernments or sponsors from the private sector ideally, I honestly don’t give a fuck. I’ve gotten many free tests from both and I’ve also bought some for like $8.",
">\n\n“Here we go again” from everyone in the comments. \nThe virus never stopped, we did.",
">\n\nVirus will always be there. Permanent restrictions are unsustainable",
">\n\n3 years later...\nIs this permanent?",
">\n\nI doubt there's anything that would make Republicans running in 2024 happier then Democrats advocating for a return to COVID restrictions.",
">\n\nRight? It’d be like the democrats fighting for gun control, or gay and trans rights, or safe and legal abortions. It would be political suicide to stand for something that Republicans don’t like!",
">\n\nMy understanding is that everything you listed is broadly popular or has at least a majority of American's in favor of it. A return to COVID restrictions is not in that category.",
">\n\nGun control isn’t even universally loved amongst the American left, as the hard left needs them for protection from the hard right they clash with, and the middle left does like having their guns taken as much as any middle right wing does, only mid left likes it",
">\n\nGallup has 57% of Americans feeling that in general gun laws should be more strict.",
">\n\nRegular people want kids to stop dying while in school. The problem is \"stricter laws\" is vague and no one can agree on what it means or give a serious proposal that would work, short of confiscation and bans, which are wildly unpopular.",
">\n\nVague political talking points is the best we’re going to get. Much as I’d love a Ross Perot style of breaking down every platform and promise, the general public doesn’t go for it. Buzz words are all we have the attention span for.",
">\n\nChina's COVID-19 surge raises odds of new coronavirus variants\nThings could get very ugly.",
">\n\nYou say this like covid hasn't been spreading rampantly through literally every country on the planet, mostly without any measures to stop the spread. Why does China get a different treatment and maybe countries should require tests from the US or Inida or Europe?",
">\n\nI agree. US was primarily the culprit of why COVID went rampant to begin with. We actively refused to enforce any sort of safety measures, just a mild suggestion of \"maybe wear a mask, if you want to, it's ok if you don't\" and \"we have vaccines if you want one, no pressure tho\". That was really our response to the world's deadliest pandemic.",
">\n\nWe actively made fun of zero covid approaches on reddit and now based on the comments on this thread we are suddenly pro “zero covid” approaches",
">\n\nEveryone finally watched contagion",
">\n\nSo far my 2023 bingo card is reading alooot of skull and crossbones, I think I might actually win at something next year, what does your score card look like?",
">\n\nWhen’s that $1200 going to hit my account?",
">\n\nI’m still living off mine from last time!",
">\n\nI’m still looking for mine",
">\n\nI’m waiting for that $600 bucks from Biden still, but that’s going right into my retirement!",
">\n\nYou dont get he meant to include any money you already received as well /s",
">\n\nI seem to remember campaign ads with $2000 checks.",
">\n\nYep they explicitly mentioned $2,000 checks.",
">\n\nMy comment was sarcasm but in retrospect there are so many neoliberals saying that word for word in all seriousness that I should and will add a sarcasm tag",
">\n\nThat's nice and all, but let's not act like we're not just ignoring our own COVID problems.",
">\n\n\n\"You don't have zero tolerance anymore? We can't tolerate that.\"\n\n- Country with 100% tolerance",
">\n\nWhy not require a negative COVID test from everyone entering the country? It’s like they don’t want COVID to be under control.",
">\n\nI think this is because China has a relatively low vaccination rate because they relied on lock downs. Now that lock downs are being ramped down, they are having a huge surge.",
">\n\nThe vaccination rate in China is considerably higher than the US (92% vs 81%). This is just another example of yellow peril",
">\n\nThank you for pointing this out. What I said above was wrong about the vaccination rate. I don’t know why exactly China is having a surge. 🤷♂️",
">\n\nTheir vaccination rate is high but their vaccine, SinoVac is based on old tech. It conveys effectively zero protection from variants when compared to all the other types of vaccines on the market.",
">\n\nYou guys are so full of shit. At 3 doses Sinovac gives the same protection as any western vaccine with boosters to help mitigate mutated variants. Stop spreading misinfo.",
">\n\n\"Does that thumbnail of someone getting tested read too much like 'screaming uselessly into the void'?\"\n\"I'm sure it'll be fine.\"",
">\n\nMaybe, just maybe they shouldnt have stopped testing airplane passengers in the first place... \nWe have cheap, readily available tests that take 10 minutes to complete. There’s really no reason not to test ever passenger before boarding...",
">\n\nEveryone I know who had Omicron tested negative until their symptoms cleared. It was evading the RATs, for some reason.",
">\n\nI tested positive on a rapid test two days after getting congested. Every teacher coworker of mine who bothered to test after getting cold symptoms also did. I think it's why so few parents now test their kids before sending time to school sick. They don't want to know so we all find out when we or our family members then test positive, missing work on their sick kids' behalf so they didn't have to. \nI have also heard the rapid test can give false negatives but anecdotal references don't mean much.",
">\n\nA day late and a dollar short. Same old song and dance.",
">\n\nWow, it’s like history literally repeating itself.",
">\n\nIndeed it is. I hope everyone is prepared for what’s next.",
">\n\nWe should require negative COVID tests for people to fly within the US, too.\nIt makes no difference to me if the person who infects me at LAX is coming in from China, or from Texas.",
">\n\nThere is a high chance anyone that comes from China has Covid right now. Low chance that someone inside America has.",
">\n\nNaw. China’s percent is much higher, sure, but it’s not like US infection rates are low. You can pretty much guarantee an infected American on every sold out domestic flight. The latest variants are super, super contagious, and it only takes one infected person to pose a serious risk to the other people sharing their space, and then all of their families and friends after they land. All flights should still require testing and masking at this point, or all we’ve really accomplished is pacifying the dimwits and xenophobes.\nI know at least 3 people who 100% contracted COVID while flying domestically in the US this last month - because they were isolated for the incubation period beforehand. They were masked the entire time they were in the airport and on the plane.",
">\n\nIf they were masked up and I assume vaccinated and still caught the virus then preventable measures like these aren’t that effective."
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Um testing should not ever stop.
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"People from China will travel through Europe and come in to America from the east coast like they did when the pandemic started. This will do nothing if all travelers aboard aren’t made to test.",
">\n\nLet's hope EU and other countries do the same.",
">\n\nI don't know if they will. Australia (for example) had some of the toughest Covid policies and they've essentially just thrown them all out the window.\nSo I don't know how willing countries are to go back to being overly concerned about Covid.",
">\n\nThey should be concerned w chinese, it's spreading like wildfire in china. If we aren't careful, they will come out w covid 20.",
">\n\nIt’s spreading everywhere including the USA. This policy has nothing to do with science or medicine. It’s just politics.",
">\n\nNo. It’s circulating like mad in a population of 1 billion people who haven’t been exposed before. This is how new variants come about. Every country should require negative Covid test for china at least until it cycles through the population",
">\n\n\nNo. It’s circulating like mad in a population of 1 billion people who haven’t been exposed before.\n\nIt's also spreading like mad in all the countries of the world including the USA.\n\nThis is how new variants come about. \n\nAnd they have been for years now.\n\nEvery country should require negative Covid test for china at least until it cycles through the population\n\nOnly for political reasons. There is no scientific or rational demand for this. \nI get it, you hate china, most americans hate china so just be honest and say what you really mean.",
">\n\nStrains are spreading in the west yes, but there are new strains in China that are spreading and we don't know if our vaccines will work with those strains. We know the Chinese vaccines have a low efficacy rate and we know they are not mRNA vaccines which allow for easier adaptation to new strains. Making travelers with a Chinese passport take Covid tests at any and all airports is not racist or even unfair - a reminder that China has been relatively hard to travel to for the last 2 years because they were locked down to foreign travel as well. This is simply good policy from a public health measure, and you not wanting to see that for what it is and instead attribute it to a nascent American hatred for China is laughable. the World Health Organization estimated close to 800 million new cases in China in the next few months, with another estimate 4 million deaths and countless new strains coming out during that period. This is about protection populations, not punishing China.",
">\n\n\nStrains are spreading in the west yes, but there are new strains in China that are spreading and we don't know if our vaccines will work with those strains.\n\nYou don't know if vaccines work against any new variant even if that variant is from a country populated with white people.\n\nWe know the Chinese vaccines have a low efficacy rate and we know they are not mRNA vaccines which allow for easier adaptation to new strains. \n\nThe vaccine doesn't adapt once inside of your body you know that right?\n\nMaking travelers with a Chinese passport take Covid tests at any and all airports is not racist or even unfair \n\nit's definitely unfair and probably racist as well.\n\nhis is simply good policy from a public health measure, a\n\nA good policy would be to require vaccinations from everybody. Think about it, you are requiring a vaccine that you said doesn't even work. How much sense does that make?\n\nattribute it to a nascent American hatred for China is laughable.\n\nNascent?\n\nThis is about protection populations, not punishing China.\n\nIt's definitely about punishing china, it's a part of the current cold war with China conducted by the USA.",
">\n\n\nYou don't know if vaccines work against any new variant even if that variant is from a country populated with white people.\n\nAll the more reason to not invite more new strains into the country. White population or otherwise has nothing to do with it, expected rise in cases in China does.\n\nThe vaccine doesn't adapt once inside of your body you know that right?\n\nYou missed the point. The point i was making was that the Chinese medical system has not even approached Covid with an mRNA vaccine, and steadfastly refused to license western vaccines. If the vaccine most readily available in China has a 50% efficacy then the population is at more risk of contracting the virus and having negative results. The infection rates are increased with each new case of BA.7 (China is currently seeing each covid patient infecting on average 18 other people represented as 1:18, whereas the in US the rate is 1:3.9). Each of these factors increases the risk of developing new strains that are vaccine resistant. \n\nit's definitely unfair and probably racist as well\n\nIs it your position that nations cannot take any prescriptive action to prevent the spread of infected persons from other countries? Again i would remind you that China has basically been locked down for the last 2 years, with severe limitations to personal freedoms themselves. This is not based on race, but rather a government's inability to contain a contagious outbreak in their own country and not wanting it to spread. \n\nA good policy would be to require vaccinations from everybody. Think about it, you are requiring a vaccine that you said doesn't even work. How much sense does that make?\n\nThat might be your definition on good policy, but it isn't mine and that isn't how the west does it. \"I\" am not requiring a vaccine that \"I\" said doesn't work - that was your suggestion not mine. Also, i said the efficacy of the Chinese vaccine is 50% - based on available information - i never said it didn't work, and i never said that it should be mandatory or required.\n\nNascent?\n\nPoor and wrong word choice on my part it seems. What i meant was ascribing the US decision to require testing of Chinese travelers to racism because you believe that the US is racist is laughable. Taking a test to prove that you are covid negative is far less onerous on a traveler than most visa requirements.\n\nIt's definitely about punishing china, it's a part of the current cold war with China conducted by the USA.\n\nCite your sources. I could point to many Chinese government policies that i could say are part of the current cold war with the US without backing it up and it would be just as credible as what you said. Opinion is not a source, and not proof. You assume that the US government is racist, that this policy is racist and yet we have had travel bans imposed on other countries, as well as testing required for travelers from other countries imposed before, and other policies and so has China. For goodness sake China has been closed to foreigners for almost 3 years, and is still closed to foreign travel until January 2023. Is that a racist policy as well?",
">\n\nHere we go again.\nThis time I think I'll learn French cooking.",
">\n\n5000 People a day will have to die before Anybody says the word Lock down in the States ever again.",
">\n\nDon’t understand why people can’t handle staying at home for two weeks when it could potentially eradicate a deadly virus. Are we that weak?",
">\n\nWe did that in large part in March 2020. And did China not spend years locking down their citizens? \nPeoples savings are gone. They need to work. \nWearing a mask would do a lot to help the issue but people aren’t willing to do that anymore.",
">\n\nWe didn't do that though. We didn't all lock down when we were supposed to. Where I work I had to go in from the very start all the way through. Most people, the majority of people, didn't stay home even if they didn't have work. Most people didn't fuck with masks or keeping a distance, and even people who weren't antivaccers didn't take the vaccine seriously for the longest time. \nWe had no fucking lock down, unless you were a well-off celebrity or comedian who wanted to talk about being locked down for content. \nIf people legit locked down, they would have taken a small hit financially, but too many people didn't do shit and prolonged everything.",
">\n\nThe things is that it doesn't take long to drain peoples saving - becuase the overwhelming majority of people have practically none. \nSo an extended lockdown was never feasible unless the government was willing to pay several trillion dollars of expenses, not just 2 or 3 times but several times over.",
">\n\nI didn't dispute any of what you said. I pointed out that most people actively contested any safety measure and most people didn't actually lock down. Any extension will almost certainly be the fault of most of those people. \nI'd gladly let them all die if it meant the few people who did take things seriously didn't have to live through a Walking Dead scenario or have to take a huge financial hit because them.",
">\n\nMost people did lock down just fine initially. After a few weeks turned into a month or more, yeah people got testy.\nAdditionally, a gigantic amount of people work in critical industries and simply cant stay home. Just keeping the lights and water on requires tens of millions of workers, plus industries like plants and refineries that simply cannot shut down without massive long-term consequences.\nReddit is full of office people who can WFH, the vast majority of people cant.",
">\n\nI was one of those who couldn't stay home. Right out of the gate most people gave up on almost all of it except when they were making a show of complying when they had to. There was a lot of cheating. I walk through a lot of different areas. The waves of patients and bodies we got at work tracked with that and became predictable.",
">\n\nWhat’s that saying that ends with ”…doomed to repeat it?”",
">\n\nWhy not just require a negative test from everyone?",
">\n\nWho would you expect to pay for that?",
">\n\nGovernments or sponsors from the private sector ideally, I honestly don’t give a fuck. I’ve gotten many free tests from both and I’ve also bought some for like $8.",
">\n\n“Here we go again” from everyone in the comments. \nThe virus never stopped, we did.",
">\n\nVirus will always be there. Permanent restrictions are unsustainable",
">\n\n3 years later...\nIs this permanent?",
">\n\nI doubt there's anything that would make Republicans running in 2024 happier then Democrats advocating for a return to COVID restrictions.",
">\n\nRight? It’d be like the democrats fighting for gun control, or gay and trans rights, or safe and legal abortions. It would be political suicide to stand for something that Republicans don’t like!",
">\n\nMy understanding is that everything you listed is broadly popular or has at least a majority of American's in favor of it. A return to COVID restrictions is not in that category.",
">\n\nGun control isn’t even universally loved amongst the American left, as the hard left needs them for protection from the hard right they clash with, and the middle left does like having their guns taken as much as any middle right wing does, only mid left likes it",
">\n\nGallup has 57% of Americans feeling that in general gun laws should be more strict.",
">\n\nRegular people want kids to stop dying while in school. The problem is \"stricter laws\" is vague and no one can agree on what it means or give a serious proposal that would work, short of confiscation and bans, which are wildly unpopular.",
">\n\nVague political talking points is the best we’re going to get. Much as I’d love a Ross Perot style of breaking down every platform and promise, the general public doesn’t go for it. Buzz words are all we have the attention span for.",
">\n\nChina's COVID-19 surge raises odds of new coronavirus variants\nThings could get very ugly.",
">\n\nYou say this like covid hasn't been spreading rampantly through literally every country on the planet, mostly without any measures to stop the spread. Why does China get a different treatment and maybe countries should require tests from the US or Inida or Europe?",
">\n\nI agree. US was primarily the culprit of why COVID went rampant to begin with. We actively refused to enforce any sort of safety measures, just a mild suggestion of \"maybe wear a mask, if you want to, it's ok if you don't\" and \"we have vaccines if you want one, no pressure tho\". That was really our response to the world's deadliest pandemic.",
">\n\nWe actively made fun of zero covid approaches on reddit and now based on the comments on this thread we are suddenly pro “zero covid” approaches",
">\n\nEveryone finally watched contagion",
">\n\nSo far my 2023 bingo card is reading alooot of skull and crossbones, I think I might actually win at something next year, what does your score card look like?",
">\n\nWhen’s that $1200 going to hit my account?",
">\n\nI’m still living off mine from last time!",
">\n\nI’m still looking for mine",
">\n\nI’m waiting for that $600 bucks from Biden still, but that’s going right into my retirement!",
">\n\nYou dont get he meant to include any money you already received as well /s",
">\n\nI seem to remember campaign ads with $2000 checks.",
">\n\nYep they explicitly mentioned $2,000 checks.",
">\n\nMy comment was sarcasm but in retrospect there are so many neoliberals saying that word for word in all seriousness that I should and will add a sarcasm tag",
">\n\nThat's nice and all, but let's not act like we're not just ignoring our own COVID problems.",
">\n\n\n\"You don't have zero tolerance anymore? We can't tolerate that.\"\n\n- Country with 100% tolerance",
">\n\nWhy not require a negative COVID test from everyone entering the country? It’s like they don’t want COVID to be under control.",
">\n\nI think this is because China has a relatively low vaccination rate because they relied on lock downs. Now that lock downs are being ramped down, they are having a huge surge.",
">\n\nThe vaccination rate in China is considerably higher than the US (92% vs 81%). This is just another example of yellow peril",
">\n\nThank you for pointing this out. What I said above was wrong about the vaccination rate. I don’t know why exactly China is having a surge. 🤷♂️",
">\n\nTheir vaccination rate is high but their vaccine, SinoVac is based on old tech. It conveys effectively zero protection from variants when compared to all the other types of vaccines on the market.",
">\n\nYou guys are so full of shit. At 3 doses Sinovac gives the same protection as any western vaccine with boosters to help mitigate mutated variants. Stop spreading misinfo.",
">\n\n\"Does that thumbnail of someone getting tested read too much like 'screaming uselessly into the void'?\"\n\"I'm sure it'll be fine.\"",
">\n\nMaybe, just maybe they shouldnt have stopped testing airplane passengers in the first place... \nWe have cheap, readily available tests that take 10 minutes to complete. There’s really no reason not to test ever passenger before boarding...",
">\n\nEveryone I know who had Omicron tested negative until their symptoms cleared. It was evading the RATs, for some reason.",
">\n\nI tested positive on a rapid test two days after getting congested. Every teacher coworker of mine who bothered to test after getting cold symptoms also did. I think it's why so few parents now test their kids before sending time to school sick. They don't want to know so we all find out when we or our family members then test positive, missing work on their sick kids' behalf so they didn't have to. \nI have also heard the rapid test can give false negatives but anecdotal references don't mean much.",
">\n\nA day late and a dollar short. Same old song and dance.",
">\n\nWow, it’s like history literally repeating itself.",
">\n\nIndeed it is. I hope everyone is prepared for what’s next.",
">\n\nWe should require negative COVID tests for people to fly within the US, too.\nIt makes no difference to me if the person who infects me at LAX is coming in from China, or from Texas.",
">\n\nThere is a high chance anyone that comes from China has Covid right now. Low chance that someone inside America has.",
">\n\nNaw. China’s percent is much higher, sure, but it’s not like US infection rates are low. You can pretty much guarantee an infected American on every sold out domestic flight. The latest variants are super, super contagious, and it only takes one infected person to pose a serious risk to the other people sharing their space, and then all of their families and friends after they land. All flights should still require testing and masking at this point, or all we’ve really accomplished is pacifying the dimwits and xenophobes.\nI know at least 3 people who 100% contracted COVID while flying domestically in the US this last month - because they were isolated for the incubation period beforehand. They were masked the entire time they were in the airport and on the plane.",
">\n\nIf they were masked up and I assume vaccinated and still caught the virus then preventable measures like these aren’t that effective.",
">\n\nIs there a new strain of Covid that isn't in the U.S yet, otherwise what's the point."
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"People from China will travel through Europe and come in to America from the east coast like they did when the pandemic started. This will do nothing if all travelers aboard aren’t made to test.",
">\n\nLet's hope EU and other countries do the same.",
">\n\nI don't know if they will. Australia (for example) had some of the toughest Covid policies and they've essentially just thrown them all out the window.\nSo I don't know how willing countries are to go back to being overly concerned about Covid.",
">\n\nThey should be concerned w chinese, it's spreading like wildfire in china. If we aren't careful, they will come out w covid 20.",
">\n\nIt’s spreading everywhere including the USA. This policy has nothing to do with science or medicine. It’s just politics.",
">\n\nNo. It’s circulating like mad in a population of 1 billion people who haven’t been exposed before. This is how new variants come about. Every country should require negative Covid test for china at least until it cycles through the population",
">\n\n\nNo. It’s circulating like mad in a population of 1 billion people who haven’t been exposed before.\n\nIt's also spreading like mad in all the countries of the world including the USA.\n\nThis is how new variants come about. \n\nAnd they have been for years now.\n\nEvery country should require negative Covid test for china at least until it cycles through the population\n\nOnly for political reasons. There is no scientific or rational demand for this. \nI get it, you hate china, most americans hate china so just be honest and say what you really mean.",
">\n\nStrains are spreading in the west yes, but there are new strains in China that are spreading and we don't know if our vaccines will work with those strains. We know the Chinese vaccines have a low efficacy rate and we know they are not mRNA vaccines which allow for easier adaptation to new strains. Making travelers with a Chinese passport take Covid tests at any and all airports is not racist or even unfair - a reminder that China has been relatively hard to travel to for the last 2 years because they were locked down to foreign travel as well. This is simply good policy from a public health measure, and you not wanting to see that for what it is and instead attribute it to a nascent American hatred for China is laughable. the World Health Organization estimated close to 800 million new cases in China in the next few months, with another estimate 4 million deaths and countless new strains coming out during that period. This is about protection populations, not punishing China.",
">\n\n\nStrains are spreading in the west yes, but there are new strains in China that are spreading and we don't know if our vaccines will work with those strains.\n\nYou don't know if vaccines work against any new variant even if that variant is from a country populated with white people.\n\nWe know the Chinese vaccines have a low efficacy rate and we know they are not mRNA vaccines which allow for easier adaptation to new strains. \n\nThe vaccine doesn't adapt once inside of your body you know that right?\n\nMaking travelers with a Chinese passport take Covid tests at any and all airports is not racist or even unfair \n\nit's definitely unfair and probably racist as well.\n\nhis is simply good policy from a public health measure, a\n\nA good policy would be to require vaccinations from everybody. Think about it, you are requiring a vaccine that you said doesn't even work. How much sense does that make?\n\nattribute it to a nascent American hatred for China is laughable.\n\nNascent?\n\nThis is about protection populations, not punishing China.\n\nIt's definitely about punishing china, it's a part of the current cold war with China conducted by the USA.",
">\n\n\nYou don't know if vaccines work against any new variant even if that variant is from a country populated with white people.\n\nAll the more reason to not invite more new strains into the country. White population or otherwise has nothing to do with it, expected rise in cases in China does.\n\nThe vaccine doesn't adapt once inside of your body you know that right?\n\nYou missed the point. The point i was making was that the Chinese medical system has not even approached Covid with an mRNA vaccine, and steadfastly refused to license western vaccines. If the vaccine most readily available in China has a 50% efficacy then the population is at more risk of contracting the virus and having negative results. The infection rates are increased with each new case of BA.7 (China is currently seeing each covid patient infecting on average 18 other people represented as 1:18, whereas the in US the rate is 1:3.9). Each of these factors increases the risk of developing new strains that are vaccine resistant. \n\nit's definitely unfair and probably racist as well\n\nIs it your position that nations cannot take any prescriptive action to prevent the spread of infected persons from other countries? Again i would remind you that China has basically been locked down for the last 2 years, with severe limitations to personal freedoms themselves. This is not based on race, but rather a government's inability to contain a contagious outbreak in their own country and not wanting it to spread. \n\nA good policy would be to require vaccinations from everybody. Think about it, you are requiring a vaccine that you said doesn't even work. How much sense does that make?\n\nThat might be your definition on good policy, but it isn't mine and that isn't how the west does it. \"I\" am not requiring a vaccine that \"I\" said doesn't work - that was your suggestion not mine. Also, i said the efficacy of the Chinese vaccine is 50% - based on available information - i never said it didn't work, and i never said that it should be mandatory or required.\n\nNascent?\n\nPoor and wrong word choice on my part it seems. What i meant was ascribing the US decision to require testing of Chinese travelers to racism because you believe that the US is racist is laughable. Taking a test to prove that you are covid negative is far less onerous on a traveler than most visa requirements.\n\nIt's definitely about punishing china, it's a part of the current cold war with China conducted by the USA.\n\nCite your sources. I could point to many Chinese government policies that i could say are part of the current cold war with the US without backing it up and it would be just as credible as what you said. Opinion is not a source, and not proof. You assume that the US government is racist, that this policy is racist and yet we have had travel bans imposed on other countries, as well as testing required for travelers from other countries imposed before, and other policies and so has China. For goodness sake China has been closed to foreigners for almost 3 years, and is still closed to foreign travel until January 2023. Is that a racist policy as well?",
">\n\nHere we go again.\nThis time I think I'll learn French cooking.",
">\n\n5000 People a day will have to die before Anybody says the word Lock down in the States ever again.",
">\n\nDon’t understand why people can’t handle staying at home for two weeks when it could potentially eradicate a deadly virus. Are we that weak?",
">\n\nWe did that in large part in March 2020. And did China not spend years locking down their citizens? \nPeoples savings are gone. They need to work. \nWearing a mask would do a lot to help the issue but people aren’t willing to do that anymore.",
">\n\nWe didn't do that though. We didn't all lock down when we were supposed to. Where I work I had to go in from the very start all the way through. Most people, the majority of people, didn't stay home even if they didn't have work. Most people didn't fuck with masks or keeping a distance, and even people who weren't antivaccers didn't take the vaccine seriously for the longest time. \nWe had no fucking lock down, unless you were a well-off celebrity or comedian who wanted to talk about being locked down for content. \nIf people legit locked down, they would have taken a small hit financially, but too many people didn't do shit and prolonged everything.",
">\n\nThe things is that it doesn't take long to drain peoples saving - becuase the overwhelming majority of people have practically none. \nSo an extended lockdown was never feasible unless the government was willing to pay several trillion dollars of expenses, not just 2 or 3 times but several times over.",
">\n\nI didn't dispute any of what you said. I pointed out that most people actively contested any safety measure and most people didn't actually lock down. Any extension will almost certainly be the fault of most of those people. \nI'd gladly let them all die if it meant the few people who did take things seriously didn't have to live through a Walking Dead scenario or have to take a huge financial hit because them.",
">\n\nMost people did lock down just fine initially. After a few weeks turned into a month or more, yeah people got testy.\nAdditionally, a gigantic amount of people work in critical industries and simply cant stay home. Just keeping the lights and water on requires tens of millions of workers, plus industries like plants and refineries that simply cannot shut down without massive long-term consequences.\nReddit is full of office people who can WFH, the vast majority of people cant.",
">\n\nI was one of those who couldn't stay home. Right out of the gate most people gave up on almost all of it except when they were making a show of complying when they had to. There was a lot of cheating. I walk through a lot of different areas. The waves of patients and bodies we got at work tracked with that and became predictable.",
">\n\nWhat’s that saying that ends with ”…doomed to repeat it?”",
">\n\nWhy not just require a negative test from everyone?",
">\n\nWho would you expect to pay for that?",
">\n\nGovernments or sponsors from the private sector ideally, I honestly don’t give a fuck. I’ve gotten many free tests from both and I’ve also bought some for like $8.",
">\n\n“Here we go again” from everyone in the comments. \nThe virus never stopped, we did.",
">\n\nVirus will always be there. Permanent restrictions are unsustainable",
">\n\n3 years later...\nIs this permanent?",
">\n\nI doubt there's anything that would make Republicans running in 2024 happier then Democrats advocating for a return to COVID restrictions.",
">\n\nRight? It’d be like the democrats fighting for gun control, or gay and trans rights, or safe and legal abortions. It would be political suicide to stand for something that Republicans don’t like!",
">\n\nMy understanding is that everything you listed is broadly popular or has at least a majority of American's in favor of it. A return to COVID restrictions is not in that category.",
">\n\nGun control isn’t even universally loved amongst the American left, as the hard left needs them for protection from the hard right they clash with, and the middle left does like having their guns taken as much as any middle right wing does, only mid left likes it",
">\n\nGallup has 57% of Americans feeling that in general gun laws should be more strict.",
">\n\nRegular people want kids to stop dying while in school. The problem is \"stricter laws\" is vague and no one can agree on what it means or give a serious proposal that would work, short of confiscation and bans, which are wildly unpopular.",
">\n\nVague political talking points is the best we’re going to get. Much as I’d love a Ross Perot style of breaking down every platform and promise, the general public doesn’t go for it. Buzz words are all we have the attention span for.",
">\n\nChina's COVID-19 surge raises odds of new coronavirus variants\nThings could get very ugly.",
">\n\nYou say this like covid hasn't been spreading rampantly through literally every country on the planet, mostly without any measures to stop the spread. Why does China get a different treatment and maybe countries should require tests from the US or Inida or Europe?",
">\n\nI agree. US was primarily the culprit of why COVID went rampant to begin with. We actively refused to enforce any sort of safety measures, just a mild suggestion of \"maybe wear a mask, if you want to, it's ok if you don't\" and \"we have vaccines if you want one, no pressure tho\". That was really our response to the world's deadliest pandemic.",
">\n\nWe actively made fun of zero covid approaches on reddit and now based on the comments on this thread we are suddenly pro “zero covid” approaches",
">\n\nEveryone finally watched contagion",
">\n\nSo far my 2023 bingo card is reading alooot of skull and crossbones, I think I might actually win at something next year, what does your score card look like?",
">\n\nWhen’s that $1200 going to hit my account?",
">\n\nI’m still living off mine from last time!",
">\n\nI’m still looking for mine",
">\n\nI’m waiting for that $600 bucks from Biden still, but that’s going right into my retirement!",
">\n\nYou dont get he meant to include any money you already received as well /s",
">\n\nI seem to remember campaign ads with $2000 checks.",
">\n\nYep they explicitly mentioned $2,000 checks.",
">\n\nMy comment was sarcasm but in retrospect there are so many neoliberals saying that word for word in all seriousness that I should and will add a sarcasm tag",
">\n\nThat's nice and all, but let's not act like we're not just ignoring our own COVID problems.",
">\n\n\n\"You don't have zero tolerance anymore? We can't tolerate that.\"\n\n- Country with 100% tolerance",
">\n\nWhy not require a negative COVID test from everyone entering the country? It’s like they don’t want COVID to be under control.",
">\n\nI think this is because China has a relatively low vaccination rate because they relied on lock downs. Now that lock downs are being ramped down, they are having a huge surge.",
">\n\nThe vaccination rate in China is considerably higher than the US (92% vs 81%). This is just another example of yellow peril",
">\n\nThank you for pointing this out. What I said above was wrong about the vaccination rate. I don’t know why exactly China is having a surge. 🤷♂️",
">\n\nTheir vaccination rate is high but their vaccine, SinoVac is based on old tech. It conveys effectively zero protection from variants when compared to all the other types of vaccines on the market.",
">\n\nYou guys are so full of shit. At 3 doses Sinovac gives the same protection as any western vaccine with boosters to help mitigate mutated variants. Stop spreading misinfo.",
">\n\n\"Does that thumbnail of someone getting tested read too much like 'screaming uselessly into the void'?\"\n\"I'm sure it'll be fine.\"",
">\n\nMaybe, just maybe they shouldnt have stopped testing airplane passengers in the first place... \nWe have cheap, readily available tests that take 10 minutes to complete. There’s really no reason not to test ever passenger before boarding...",
">\n\nEveryone I know who had Omicron tested negative until their symptoms cleared. It was evading the RATs, for some reason.",
">\n\nI tested positive on a rapid test two days after getting congested. Every teacher coworker of mine who bothered to test after getting cold symptoms also did. I think it's why so few parents now test their kids before sending time to school sick. They don't want to know so we all find out when we or our family members then test positive, missing work on their sick kids' behalf so they didn't have to. \nI have also heard the rapid test can give false negatives but anecdotal references don't mean much.",
">\n\nA day late and a dollar short. Same old song and dance.",
">\n\nWow, it’s like history literally repeating itself.",
">\n\nIndeed it is. I hope everyone is prepared for what’s next.",
">\n\nWe should require negative COVID tests for people to fly within the US, too.\nIt makes no difference to me if the person who infects me at LAX is coming in from China, or from Texas.",
">\n\nThere is a high chance anyone that comes from China has Covid right now. Low chance that someone inside America has.",
">\n\nNaw. China’s percent is much higher, sure, but it’s not like US infection rates are low. You can pretty much guarantee an infected American on every sold out domestic flight. The latest variants are super, super contagious, and it only takes one infected person to pose a serious risk to the other people sharing their space, and then all of their families and friends after they land. All flights should still require testing and masking at this point, or all we’ve really accomplished is pacifying the dimwits and xenophobes.\nI know at least 3 people who 100% contracted COVID while flying domestically in the US this last month - because they were isolated for the incubation period beforehand. They were masked the entire time they were in the airport and on the plane.",
">\n\nIf they were masked up and I assume vaccinated and still caught the virus then preventable measures like these aren’t that effective.",
">\n\nIs there a new strain of Covid that isn't in the U.S yet, otherwise what's the point.",
">\n\nUm testing should not ever stop."
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"People from China will travel through Europe and come in to America from the east coast like they did when the pandemic started. This will do nothing if all travelers aboard aren’t made to test.",
">\n\nLet's hope EU and other countries do the same.",
">\n\nI don't know if they will. Australia (for example) had some of the toughest Covid policies and they've essentially just thrown them all out the window.\nSo I don't know how willing countries are to go back to being overly concerned about Covid.",
">\n\nThey should be concerned w chinese, it's spreading like wildfire in china. If we aren't careful, they will come out w covid 20.",
">\n\nIt’s spreading everywhere including the USA. This policy has nothing to do with science or medicine. It’s just politics.",
">\n\nNo. It’s circulating like mad in a population of 1 billion people who haven’t been exposed before. This is how new variants come about. Every country should require negative Covid test for china at least until it cycles through the population",
">\n\n\nNo. It’s circulating like mad in a population of 1 billion people who haven’t been exposed before.\n\nIt's also spreading like mad in all the countries of the world including the USA.\n\nThis is how new variants come about. \n\nAnd they have been for years now.\n\nEvery country should require negative Covid test for china at least until it cycles through the population\n\nOnly for political reasons. There is no scientific or rational demand for this. \nI get it, you hate china, most americans hate china so just be honest and say what you really mean.",
">\n\nStrains are spreading in the west yes, but there are new strains in China that are spreading and we don't know if our vaccines will work with those strains. We know the Chinese vaccines have a low efficacy rate and we know they are not mRNA vaccines which allow for easier adaptation to new strains. Making travelers with a Chinese passport take Covid tests at any and all airports is not racist or even unfair - a reminder that China has been relatively hard to travel to for the last 2 years because they were locked down to foreign travel as well. This is simply good policy from a public health measure, and you not wanting to see that for what it is and instead attribute it to a nascent American hatred for China is laughable. the World Health Organization estimated close to 800 million new cases in China in the next few months, with another estimate 4 million deaths and countless new strains coming out during that period. This is about protection populations, not punishing China.",
">\n\n\nStrains are spreading in the west yes, but there are new strains in China that are spreading and we don't know if our vaccines will work with those strains.\n\nYou don't know if vaccines work against any new variant even if that variant is from a country populated with white people.\n\nWe know the Chinese vaccines have a low efficacy rate and we know they are not mRNA vaccines which allow for easier adaptation to new strains. \n\nThe vaccine doesn't adapt once inside of your body you know that right?\n\nMaking travelers with a Chinese passport take Covid tests at any and all airports is not racist or even unfair \n\nit's definitely unfair and probably racist as well.\n\nhis is simply good policy from a public health measure, a\n\nA good policy would be to require vaccinations from everybody. Think about it, you are requiring a vaccine that you said doesn't even work. How much sense does that make?\n\nattribute it to a nascent American hatred for China is laughable.\n\nNascent?\n\nThis is about protection populations, not punishing China.\n\nIt's definitely about punishing china, it's a part of the current cold war with China conducted by the USA.",
">\n\n\nYou don't know if vaccines work against any new variant even if that variant is from a country populated with white people.\n\nAll the more reason to not invite more new strains into the country. White population or otherwise has nothing to do with it, expected rise in cases in China does.\n\nThe vaccine doesn't adapt once inside of your body you know that right?\n\nYou missed the point. The point i was making was that the Chinese medical system has not even approached Covid with an mRNA vaccine, and steadfastly refused to license western vaccines. If the vaccine most readily available in China has a 50% efficacy then the population is at more risk of contracting the virus and having negative results. The infection rates are increased with each new case of BA.7 (China is currently seeing each covid patient infecting on average 18 other people represented as 1:18, whereas the in US the rate is 1:3.9). Each of these factors increases the risk of developing new strains that are vaccine resistant. \n\nit's definitely unfair and probably racist as well\n\nIs it your position that nations cannot take any prescriptive action to prevent the spread of infected persons from other countries? Again i would remind you that China has basically been locked down for the last 2 years, with severe limitations to personal freedoms themselves. This is not based on race, but rather a government's inability to contain a contagious outbreak in their own country and not wanting it to spread. \n\nA good policy would be to require vaccinations from everybody. Think about it, you are requiring a vaccine that you said doesn't even work. How much sense does that make?\n\nThat might be your definition on good policy, but it isn't mine and that isn't how the west does it. \"I\" am not requiring a vaccine that \"I\" said doesn't work - that was your suggestion not mine. Also, i said the efficacy of the Chinese vaccine is 50% - based on available information - i never said it didn't work, and i never said that it should be mandatory or required.\n\nNascent?\n\nPoor and wrong word choice on my part it seems. What i meant was ascribing the US decision to require testing of Chinese travelers to racism because you believe that the US is racist is laughable. Taking a test to prove that you are covid negative is far less onerous on a traveler than most visa requirements.\n\nIt's definitely about punishing china, it's a part of the current cold war with China conducted by the USA.\n\nCite your sources. I could point to many Chinese government policies that i could say are part of the current cold war with the US without backing it up and it would be just as credible as what you said. Opinion is not a source, and not proof. You assume that the US government is racist, that this policy is racist and yet we have had travel bans imposed on other countries, as well as testing required for travelers from other countries imposed before, and other policies and so has China. For goodness sake China has been closed to foreigners for almost 3 years, and is still closed to foreign travel until January 2023. Is that a racist policy as well?",
">\n\nHere we go again.\nThis time I think I'll learn French cooking.",
">\n\n5000 People a day will have to die before Anybody says the word Lock down in the States ever again.",
">\n\nDon’t understand why people can’t handle staying at home for two weeks when it could potentially eradicate a deadly virus. Are we that weak?",
">\n\nWe did that in large part in March 2020. And did China not spend years locking down their citizens? \nPeoples savings are gone. They need to work. \nWearing a mask would do a lot to help the issue but people aren’t willing to do that anymore.",
">\n\nWe didn't do that though. We didn't all lock down when we were supposed to. Where I work I had to go in from the very start all the way through. Most people, the majority of people, didn't stay home even if they didn't have work. Most people didn't fuck with masks or keeping a distance, and even people who weren't antivaccers didn't take the vaccine seriously for the longest time. \nWe had no fucking lock down, unless you were a well-off celebrity or comedian who wanted to talk about being locked down for content. \nIf people legit locked down, they would have taken a small hit financially, but too many people didn't do shit and prolonged everything.",
">\n\nThe things is that it doesn't take long to drain peoples saving - becuase the overwhelming majority of people have practically none. \nSo an extended lockdown was never feasible unless the government was willing to pay several trillion dollars of expenses, not just 2 or 3 times but several times over.",
">\n\nI didn't dispute any of what you said. I pointed out that most people actively contested any safety measure and most people didn't actually lock down. Any extension will almost certainly be the fault of most of those people. \nI'd gladly let them all die if it meant the few people who did take things seriously didn't have to live through a Walking Dead scenario or have to take a huge financial hit because them.",
">\n\nMost people did lock down just fine initially. After a few weeks turned into a month or more, yeah people got testy.\nAdditionally, a gigantic amount of people work in critical industries and simply cant stay home. Just keeping the lights and water on requires tens of millions of workers, plus industries like plants and refineries that simply cannot shut down without massive long-term consequences.\nReddit is full of office people who can WFH, the vast majority of people cant.",
">\n\nI was one of those who couldn't stay home. Right out of the gate most people gave up on almost all of it except when they were making a show of complying when they had to. There was a lot of cheating. I walk through a lot of different areas. The waves of patients and bodies we got at work tracked with that and became predictable.",
">\n\nWhat’s that saying that ends with ”…doomed to repeat it?”",
">\n\nWhy not just require a negative test from everyone?",
">\n\nWho would you expect to pay for that?",
">\n\nGovernments or sponsors from the private sector ideally, I honestly don’t give a fuck. I’ve gotten many free tests from both and I’ve also bought some for like $8.",
">\n\n“Here we go again” from everyone in the comments. \nThe virus never stopped, we did.",
">\n\nVirus will always be there. Permanent restrictions are unsustainable",
">\n\n3 years later...\nIs this permanent?",
">\n\nI doubt there's anything that would make Republicans running in 2024 happier then Democrats advocating for a return to COVID restrictions.",
">\n\nRight? It’d be like the democrats fighting for gun control, or gay and trans rights, or safe and legal abortions. It would be political suicide to stand for something that Republicans don’t like!",
">\n\nMy understanding is that everything you listed is broadly popular or has at least a majority of American's in favor of it. A return to COVID restrictions is not in that category.",
">\n\nGun control isn’t even universally loved amongst the American left, as the hard left needs them for protection from the hard right they clash with, and the middle left does like having their guns taken as much as any middle right wing does, only mid left likes it",
">\n\nGallup has 57% of Americans feeling that in general gun laws should be more strict.",
">\n\nRegular people want kids to stop dying while in school. The problem is \"stricter laws\" is vague and no one can agree on what it means or give a serious proposal that would work, short of confiscation and bans, which are wildly unpopular.",
">\n\nVague political talking points is the best we’re going to get. Much as I’d love a Ross Perot style of breaking down every platform and promise, the general public doesn’t go for it. Buzz words are all we have the attention span for.",
">\n\nChina's COVID-19 surge raises odds of new coronavirus variants\nThings could get very ugly.",
">\n\nYou say this like covid hasn't been spreading rampantly through literally every country on the planet, mostly without any measures to stop the spread. Why does China get a different treatment and maybe countries should require tests from the US or Inida or Europe?",
">\n\nI agree. US was primarily the culprit of why COVID went rampant to begin with. We actively refused to enforce any sort of safety measures, just a mild suggestion of \"maybe wear a mask, if you want to, it's ok if you don't\" and \"we have vaccines if you want one, no pressure tho\". That was really our response to the world's deadliest pandemic.",
">\n\nWe actively made fun of zero covid approaches on reddit and now based on the comments on this thread we are suddenly pro “zero covid” approaches",
">\n\nEveryone finally watched contagion",
">\n\nSo far my 2023 bingo card is reading alooot of skull and crossbones, I think I might actually win at something next year, what does your score card look like?",
">\n\nWhen’s that $1200 going to hit my account?",
">\n\nI’m still living off mine from last time!",
">\n\nI’m still looking for mine",
">\n\nI’m waiting for that $600 bucks from Biden still, but that’s going right into my retirement!",
">\n\nYou dont get he meant to include any money you already received as well /s",
">\n\nI seem to remember campaign ads with $2000 checks.",
">\n\nYep they explicitly mentioned $2,000 checks.",
">\n\nMy comment was sarcasm but in retrospect there are so many neoliberals saying that word for word in all seriousness that I should and will add a sarcasm tag",
">\n\nThat's nice and all, but let's not act like we're not just ignoring our own COVID problems.",
">\n\n\n\"You don't have zero tolerance anymore? We can't tolerate that.\"\n\n- Country with 100% tolerance",
">\n\nWhy not require a negative COVID test from everyone entering the country? It’s like they don’t want COVID to be under control.",
">\n\nI think this is because China has a relatively low vaccination rate because they relied on lock downs. Now that lock downs are being ramped down, they are having a huge surge.",
">\n\nThe vaccination rate in China is considerably higher than the US (92% vs 81%). This is just another example of yellow peril",
">\n\nThank you for pointing this out. What I said above was wrong about the vaccination rate. I don’t know why exactly China is having a surge. 🤷♂️",
">\n\nTheir vaccination rate is high but their vaccine, SinoVac is based on old tech. It conveys effectively zero protection from variants when compared to all the other types of vaccines on the market.",
">\n\nYou guys are so full of shit. At 3 doses Sinovac gives the same protection as any western vaccine with boosters to help mitigate mutated variants. Stop spreading misinfo.",
">\n\n\"Does that thumbnail of someone getting tested read too much like 'screaming uselessly into the void'?\"\n\"I'm sure it'll be fine.\"",
">\n\nMaybe, just maybe they shouldnt have stopped testing airplane passengers in the first place... \nWe have cheap, readily available tests that take 10 minutes to complete. There’s really no reason not to test ever passenger before boarding...",
">\n\nEveryone I know who had Omicron tested negative until their symptoms cleared. It was evading the RATs, for some reason.",
">\n\nI tested positive on a rapid test two days after getting congested. Every teacher coworker of mine who bothered to test after getting cold symptoms also did. I think it's why so few parents now test their kids before sending time to school sick. They don't want to know so we all find out when we or our family members then test positive, missing work on their sick kids' behalf so they didn't have to. \nI have also heard the rapid test can give false negatives but anecdotal references don't mean much.",
">\n\nA day late and a dollar short. Same old song and dance.",
">\n\nWow, it’s like history literally repeating itself.",
">\n\nIndeed it is. I hope everyone is prepared for what’s next.",
">\n\nWe should require negative COVID tests for people to fly within the US, too.\nIt makes no difference to me if the person who infects me at LAX is coming in from China, or from Texas.",
">\n\nThere is a high chance anyone that comes from China has Covid right now. Low chance that someone inside America has.",
">\n\nNaw. China’s percent is much higher, sure, but it’s not like US infection rates are low. You can pretty much guarantee an infected American on every sold out domestic flight. The latest variants are super, super contagious, and it only takes one infected person to pose a serious risk to the other people sharing their space, and then all of their families and friends after they land. All flights should still require testing and masking at this point, or all we’ve really accomplished is pacifying the dimwits and xenophobes.\nI know at least 3 people who 100% contracted COVID while flying domestically in the US this last month - because they were isolated for the incubation period beforehand. They were masked the entire time they were in the airport and on the plane.",
">\n\nIf they were masked up and I assume vaccinated and still caught the virus then preventable measures like these aren’t that effective.",
">\n\nIs there a new strain of Covid that isn't in the U.S yet, otherwise what's the point.",
">\n\nUm testing should not ever stop.",
">\n\nAh shit here we go again"
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It's "just a cold" unless it's a non-white person from another country carrying it.
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"People from China will travel through Europe and come in to America from the east coast like they did when the pandemic started. This will do nothing if all travelers aboard aren’t made to test.",
">\n\nLet's hope EU and other countries do the same.",
">\n\nI don't know if they will. Australia (for example) had some of the toughest Covid policies and they've essentially just thrown them all out the window.\nSo I don't know how willing countries are to go back to being overly concerned about Covid.",
">\n\nThey should be concerned w chinese, it's spreading like wildfire in china. If we aren't careful, they will come out w covid 20.",
">\n\nIt’s spreading everywhere including the USA. This policy has nothing to do with science or medicine. It’s just politics.",
">\n\nNo. It’s circulating like mad in a population of 1 billion people who haven’t been exposed before. This is how new variants come about. Every country should require negative Covid test for china at least until it cycles through the population",
">\n\n\nNo. It’s circulating like mad in a population of 1 billion people who haven’t been exposed before.\n\nIt's also spreading like mad in all the countries of the world including the USA.\n\nThis is how new variants come about. \n\nAnd they have been for years now.\n\nEvery country should require negative Covid test for china at least until it cycles through the population\n\nOnly for political reasons. There is no scientific or rational demand for this. \nI get it, you hate china, most americans hate china so just be honest and say what you really mean.",
">\n\nStrains are spreading in the west yes, but there are new strains in China that are spreading and we don't know if our vaccines will work with those strains. We know the Chinese vaccines have a low efficacy rate and we know they are not mRNA vaccines which allow for easier adaptation to new strains. Making travelers with a Chinese passport take Covid tests at any and all airports is not racist or even unfair - a reminder that China has been relatively hard to travel to for the last 2 years because they were locked down to foreign travel as well. This is simply good policy from a public health measure, and you not wanting to see that for what it is and instead attribute it to a nascent American hatred for China is laughable. the World Health Organization estimated close to 800 million new cases in China in the next few months, with another estimate 4 million deaths and countless new strains coming out during that period. This is about protection populations, not punishing China.",
">\n\n\nStrains are spreading in the west yes, but there are new strains in China that are spreading and we don't know if our vaccines will work with those strains.\n\nYou don't know if vaccines work against any new variant even if that variant is from a country populated with white people.\n\nWe know the Chinese vaccines have a low efficacy rate and we know they are not mRNA vaccines which allow for easier adaptation to new strains. \n\nThe vaccine doesn't adapt once inside of your body you know that right?\n\nMaking travelers with a Chinese passport take Covid tests at any and all airports is not racist or even unfair \n\nit's definitely unfair and probably racist as well.\n\nhis is simply good policy from a public health measure, a\n\nA good policy would be to require vaccinations from everybody. Think about it, you are requiring a vaccine that you said doesn't even work. How much sense does that make?\n\nattribute it to a nascent American hatred for China is laughable.\n\nNascent?\n\nThis is about protection populations, not punishing China.\n\nIt's definitely about punishing china, it's a part of the current cold war with China conducted by the USA.",
">\n\n\nYou don't know if vaccines work against any new variant even if that variant is from a country populated with white people.\n\nAll the more reason to not invite more new strains into the country. White population or otherwise has nothing to do with it, expected rise in cases in China does.\n\nThe vaccine doesn't adapt once inside of your body you know that right?\n\nYou missed the point. The point i was making was that the Chinese medical system has not even approached Covid with an mRNA vaccine, and steadfastly refused to license western vaccines. If the vaccine most readily available in China has a 50% efficacy then the population is at more risk of contracting the virus and having negative results. The infection rates are increased with each new case of BA.7 (China is currently seeing each covid patient infecting on average 18 other people represented as 1:18, whereas the in US the rate is 1:3.9). Each of these factors increases the risk of developing new strains that are vaccine resistant. \n\nit's definitely unfair and probably racist as well\n\nIs it your position that nations cannot take any prescriptive action to prevent the spread of infected persons from other countries? Again i would remind you that China has basically been locked down for the last 2 years, with severe limitations to personal freedoms themselves. This is not based on race, but rather a government's inability to contain a contagious outbreak in their own country and not wanting it to spread. \n\nA good policy would be to require vaccinations from everybody. Think about it, you are requiring a vaccine that you said doesn't even work. How much sense does that make?\n\nThat might be your definition on good policy, but it isn't mine and that isn't how the west does it. \"I\" am not requiring a vaccine that \"I\" said doesn't work - that was your suggestion not mine. Also, i said the efficacy of the Chinese vaccine is 50% - based on available information - i never said it didn't work, and i never said that it should be mandatory or required.\n\nNascent?\n\nPoor and wrong word choice on my part it seems. What i meant was ascribing the US decision to require testing of Chinese travelers to racism because you believe that the US is racist is laughable. Taking a test to prove that you are covid negative is far less onerous on a traveler than most visa requirements.\n\nIt's definitely about punishing china, it's a part of the current cold war with China conducted by the USA.\n\nCite your sources. I could point to many Chinese government policies that i could say are part of the current cold war with the US without backing it up and it would be just as credible as what you said. Opinion is not a source, and not proof. You assume that the US government is racist, that this policy is racist and yet we have had travel bans imposed on other countries, as well as testing required for travelers from other countries imposed before, and other policies and so has China. For goodness sake China has been closed to foreigners for almost 3 years, and is still closed to foreign travel until January 2023. Is that a racist policy as well?",
">\n\nHere we go again.\nThis time I think I'll learn French cooking.",
">\n\n5000 People a day will have to die before Anybody says the word Lock down in the States ever again.",
">\n\nDon’t understand why people can’t handle staying at home for two weeks when it could potentially eradicate a deadly virus. Are we that weak?",
">\n\nWe did that in large part in March 2020. And did China not spend years locking down their citizens? \nPeoples savings are gone. They need to work. \nWearing a mask would do a lot to help the issue but people aren’t willing to do that anymore.",
">\n\nWe didn't do that though. We didn't all lock down when we were supposed to. Where I work I had to go in from the very start all the way through. Most people, the majority of people, didn't stay home even if they didn't have work. Most people didn't fuck with masks or keeping a distance, and even people who weren't antivaccers didn't take the vaccine seriously for the longest time. \nWe had no fucking lock down, unless you were a well-off celebrity or comedian who wanted to talk about being locked down for content. \nIf people legit locked down, they would have taken a small hit financially, but too many people didn't do shit and prolonged everything.",
">\n\nThe things is that it doesn't take long to drain peoples saving - becuase the overwhelming majority of people have practically none. \nSo an extended lockdown was never feasible unless the government was willing to pay several trillion dollars of expenses, not just 2 or 3 times but several times over.",
">\n\nI didn't dispute any of what you said. I pointed out that most people actively contested any safety measure and most people didn't actually lock down. Any extension will almost certainly be the fault of most of those people. \nI'd gladly let them all die if it meant the few people who did take things seriously didn't have to live through a Walking Dead scenario or have to take a huge financial hit because them.",
">\n\nMost people did lock down just fine initially. After a few weeks turned into a month or more, yeah people got testy.\nAdditionally, a gigantic amount of people work in critical industries and simply cant stay home. Just keeping the lights and water on requires tens of millions of workers, plus industries like plants and refineries that simply cannot shut down without massive long-term consequences.\nReddit is full of office people who can WFH, the vast majority of people cant.",
">\n\nI was one of those who couldn't stay home. Right out of the gate most people gave up on almost all of it except when they were making a show of complying when they had to. There was a lot of cheating. I walk through a lot of different areas. The waves of patients and bodies we got at work tracked with that and became predictable.",
">\n\nWhat’s that saying that ends with ”…doomed to repeat it?”",
">\n\nWhy not just require a negative test from everyone?",
">\n\nWho would you expect to pay for that?",
">\n\nGovernments or sponsors from the private sector ideally, I honestly don’t give a fuck. I’ve gotten many free tests from both and I’ve also bought some for like $8.",
">\n\n“Here we go again” from everyone in the comments. \nThe virus never stopped, we did.",
">\n\nVirus will always be there. Permanent restrictions are unsustainable",
">\n\n3 years later...\nIs this permanent?",
">\n\nI doubt there's anything that would make Republicans running in 2024 happier then Democrats advocating for a return to COVID restrictions.",
">\n\nRight? It’d be like the democrats fighting for gun control, or gay and trans rights, or safe and legal abortions. It would be political suicide to stand for something that Republicans don’t like!",
">\n\nMy understanding is that everything you listed is broadly popular or has at least a majority of American's in favor of it. A return to COVID restrictions is not in that category.",
">\n\nGun control isn’t even universally loved amongst the American left, as the hard left needs them for protection from the hard right they clash with, and the middle left does like having their guns taken as much as any middle right wing does, only mid left likes it",
">\n\nGallup has 57% of Americans feeling that in general gun laws should be more strict.",
">\n\nRegular people want kids to stop dying while in school. The problem is \"stricter laws\" is vague and no one can agree on what it means or give a serious proposal that would work, short of confiscation and bans, which are wildly unpopular.",
">\n\nVague political talking points is the best we’re going to get. Much as I’d love a Ross Perot style of breaking down every platform and promise, the general public doesn’t go for it. Buzz words are all we have the attention span for.",
">\n\nChina's COVID-19 surge raises odds of new coronavirus variants\nThings could get very ugly.",
">\n\nYou say this like covid hasn't been spreading rampantly through literally every country on the planet, mostly without any measures to stop the spread. Why does China get a different treatment and maybe countries should require tests from the US or Inida or Europe?",
">\n\nI agree. US was primarily the culprit of why COVID went rampant to begin with. We actively refused to enforce any sort of safety measures, just a mild suggestion of \"maybe wear a mask, if you want to, it's ok if you don't\" and \"we have vaccines if you want one, no pressure tho\". That was really our response to the world's deadliest pandemic.",
">\n\nWe actively made fun of zero covid approaches on reddit and now based on the comments on this thread we are suddenly pro “zero covid” approaches",
">\n\nEveryone finally watched contagion",
">\n\nSo far my 2023 bingo card is reading alooot of skull and crossbones, I think I might actually win at something next year, what does your score card look like?",
">\n\nWhen’s that $1200 going to hit my account?",
">\n\nI’m still living off mine from last time!",
">\n\nI’m still looking for mine",
">\n\nI’m waiting for that $600 bucks from Biden still, but that’s going right into my retirement!",
">\n\nYou dont get he meant to include any money you already received as well /s",
">\n\nI seem to remember campaign ads with $2000 checks.",
">\n\nYep they explicitly mentioned $2,000 checks.",
">\n\nMy comment was sarcasm but in retrospect there are so many neoliberals saying that word for word in all seriousness that I should and will add a sarcasm tag",
">\n\nThat's nice and all, but let's not act like we're not just ignoring our own COVID problems.",
">\n\n\n\"You don't have zero tolerance anymore? We can't tolerate that.\"\n\n- Country with 100% tolerance",
">\n\nWhy not require a negative COVID test from everyone entering the country? It’s like they don’t want COVID to be under control.",
">\n\nI think this is because China has a relatively low vaccination rate because they relied on lock downs. Now that lock downs are being ramped down, they are having a huge surge.",
">\n\nThe vaccination rate in China is considerably higher than the US (92% vs 81%). This is just another example of yellow peril",
">\n\nThank you for pointing this out. What I said above was wrong about the vaccination rate. I don’t know why exactly China is having a surge. 🤷♂️",
">\n\nTheir vaccination rate is high but their vaccine, SinoVac is based on old tech. It conveys effectively zero protection from variants when compared to all the other types of vaccines on the market.",
">\n\nYou guys are so full of shit. At 3 doses Sinovac gives the same protection as any western vaccine with boosters to help mitigate mutated variants. Stop spreading misinfo.",
">\n\n\"Does that thumbnail of someone getting tested read too much like 'screaming uselessly into the void'?\"\n\"I'm sure it'll be fine.\"",
">\n\nMaybe, just maybe they shouldnt have stopped testing airplane passengers in the first place... \nWe have cheap, readily available tests that take 10 minutes to complete. There’s really no reason not to test ever passenger before boarding...",
">\n\nEveryone I know who had Omicron tested negative until their symptoms cleared. It was evading the RATs, for some reason.",
">\n\nI tested positive on a rapid test two days after getting congested. Every teacher coworker of mine who bothered to test after getting cold symptoms also did. I think it's why so few parents now test their kids before sending time to school sick. They don't want to know so we all find out when we or our family members then test positive, missing work on their sick kids' behalf so they didn't have to. \nI have also heard the rapid test can give false negatives but anecdotal references don't mean much.",
">\n\nA day late and a dollar short. Same old song and dance.",
">\n\nWow, it’s like history literally repeating itself.",
">\n\nIndeed it is. I hope everyone is prepared for what’s next.",
">\n\nWe should require negative COVID tests for people to fly within the US, too.\nIt makes no difference to me if the person who infects me at LAX is coming in from China, or from Texas.",
">\n\nThere is a high chance anyone that comes from China has Covid right now. Low chance that someone inside America has.",
">\n\nNaw. China’s percent is much higher, sure, but it’s not like US infection rates are low. You can pretty much guarantee an infected American on every sold out domestic flight. The latest variants are super, super contagious, and it only takes one infected person to pose a serious risk to the other people sharing their space, and then all of their families and friends after they land. All flights should still require testing and masking at this point, or all we’ve really accomplished is pacifying the dimwits and xenophobes.\nI know at least 3 people who 100% contracted COVID while flying domestically in the US this last month - because they were isolated for the incubation period beforehand. They were masked the entire time they were in the airport and on the plane.",
">\n\nIf they were masked up and I assume vaccinated and still caught the virus then preventable measures like these aren’t that effective.",
">\n\nIs there a new strain of Covid that isn't in the U.S yet, otherwise what's the point.",
">\n\nUm testing should not ever stop.",
">\n\nAh shit here we go again",
">\n\n\"Who left the fridge open?\""
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China implemented an ineffective vaccine and had 30m+ cases in one day. It’s specifically that gov. refusing to use effective vaccines
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"People from China will travel through Europe and come in to America from the east coast like they did when the pandemic started. This will do nothing if all travelers aboard aren’t made to test.",
">\n\nLet's hope EU and other countries do the same.",
">\n\nI don't know if they will. Australia (for example) had some of the toughest Covid policies and they've essentially just thrown them all out the window.\nSo I don't know how willing countries are to go back to being overly concerned about Covid.",
">\n\nThey should be concerned w chinese, it's spreading like wildfire in china. If we aren't careful, they will come out w covid 20.",
">\n\nIt’s spreading everywhere including the USA. This policy has nothing to do with science or medicine. It’s just politics.",
">\n\nNo. It’s circulating like mad in a population of 1 billion people who haven’t been exposed before. This is how new variants come about. Every country should require negative Covid test for china at least until it cycles through the population",
">\n\n\nNo. It’s circulating like mad in a population of 1 billion people who haven’t been exposed before.\n\nIt's also spreading like mad in all the countries of the world including the USA.\n\nThis is how new variants come about. \n\nAnd they have been for years now.\n\nEvery country should require negative Covid test for china at least until it cycles through the population\n\nOnly for political reasons. There is no scientific or rational demand for this. \nI get it, you hate china, most americans hate china so just be honest and say what you really mean.",
">\n\nStrains are spreading in the west yes, but there are new strains in China that are spreading and we don't know if our vaccines will work with those strains. We know the Chinese vaccines have a low efficacy rate and we know they are not mRNA vaccines which allow for easier adaptation to new strains. Making travelers with a Chinese passport take Covid tests at any and all airports is not racist or even unfair - a reminder that China has been relatively hard to travel to for the last 2 years because they were locked down to foreign travel as well. This is simply good policy from a public health measure, and you not wanting to see that for what it is and instead attribute it to a nascent American hatred for China is laughable. the World Health Organization estimated close to 800 million new cases in China in the next few months, with another estimate 4 million deaths and countless new strains coming out during that period. This is about protection populations, not punishing China.",
">\n\n\nStrains are spreading in the west yes, but there are new strains in China that are spreading and we don't know if our vaccines will work with those strains.\n\nYou don't know if vaccines work against any new variant even if that variant is from a country populated with white people.\n\nWe know the Chinese vaccines have a low efficacy rate and we know they are not mRNA vaccines which allow for easier adaptation to new strains. \n\nThe vaccine doesn't adapt once inside of your body you know that right?\n\nMaking travelers with a Chinese passport take Covid tests at any and all airports is not racist or even unfair \n\nit's definitely unfair and probably racist as well.\n\nhis is simply good policy from a public health measure, a\n\nA good policy would be to require vaccinations from everybody. Think about it, you are requiring a vaccine that you said doesn't even work. How much sense does that make?\n\nattribute it to a nascent American hatred for China is laughable.\n\nNascent?\n\nThis is about protection populations, not punishing China.\n\nIt's definitely about punishing china, it's a part of the current cold war with China conducted by the USA.",
">\n\n\nYou don't know if vaccines work against any new variant even if that variant is from a country populated with white people.\n\nAll the more reason to not invite more new strains into the country. White population or otherwise has nothing to do with it, expected rise in cases in China does.\n\nThe vaccine doesn't adapt once inside of your body you know that right?\n\nYou missed the point. The point i was making was that the Chinese medical system has not even approached Covid with an mRNA vaccine, and steadfastly refused to license western vaccines. If the vaccine most readily available in China has a 50% efficacy then the population is at more risk of contracting the virus and having negative results. The infection rates are increased with each new case of BA.7 (China is currently seeing each covid patient infecting on average 18 other people represented as 1:18, whereas the in US the rate is 1:3.9). Each of these factors increases the risk of developing new strains that are vaccine resistant. \n\nit's definitely unfair and probably racist as well\n\nIs it your position that nations cannot take any prescriptive action to prevent the spread of infected persons from other countries? Again i would remind you that China has basically been locked down for the last 2 years, with severe limitations to personal freedoms themselves. This is not based on race, but rather a government's inability to contain a contagious outbreak in their own country and not wanting it to spread. \n\nA good policy would be to require vaccinations from everybody. Think about it, you are requiring a vaccine that you said doesn't even work. How much sense does that make?\n\nThat might be your definition on good policy, but it isn't mine and that isn't how the west does it. \"I\" am not requiring a vaccine that \"I\" said doesn't work - that was your suggestion not mine. Also, i said the efficacy of the Chinese vaccine is 50% - based on available information - i never said it didn't work, and i never said that it should be mandatory or required.\n\nNascent?\n\nPoor and wrong word choice on my part it seems. What i meant was ascribing the US decision to require testing of Chinese travelers to racism because you believe that the US is racist is laughable. Taking a test to prove that you are covid negative is far less onerous on a traveler than most visa requirements.\n\nIt's definitely about punishing china, it's a part of the current cold war with China conducted by the USA.\n\nCite your sources. I could point to many Chinese government policies that i could say are part of the current cold war with the US without backing it up and it would be just as credible as what you said. Opinion is not a source, and not proof. You assume that the US government is racist, that this policy is racist and yet we have had travel bans imposed on other countries, as well as testing required for travelers from other countries imposed before, and other policies and so has China. For goodness sake China has been closed to foreigners for almost 3 years, and is still closed to foreign travel until January 2023. Is that a racist policy as well?",
">\n\nHere we go again.\nThis time I think I'll learn French cooking.",
">\n\n5000 People a day will have to die before Anybody says the word Lock down in the States ever again.",
">\n\nDon’t understand why people can’t handle staying at home for two weeks when it could potentially eradicate a deadly virus. Are we that weak?",
">\n\nWe did that in large part in March 2020. And did China not spend years locking down their citizens? \nPeoples savings are gone. They need to work. \nWearing a mask would do a lot to help the issue but people aren’t willing to do that anymore.",
">\n\nWe didn't do that though. We didn't all lock down when we were supposed to. Where I work I had to go in from the very start all the way through. Most people, the majority of people, didn't stay home even if they didn't have work. Most people didn't fuck with masks or keeping a distance, and even people who weren't antivaccers didn't take the vaccine seriously for the longest time. \nWe had no fucking lock down, unless you were a well-off celebrity or comedian who wanted to talk about being locked down for content. \nIf people legit locked down, they would have taken a small hit financially, but too many people didn't do shit and prolonged everything.",
">\n\nThe things is that it doesn't take long to drain peoples saving - becuase the overwhelming majority of people have practically none. \nSo an extended lockdown was never feasible unless the government was willing to pay several trillion dollars of expenses, not just 2 or 3 times but several times over.",
">\n\nI didn't dispute any of what you said. I pointed out that most people actively contested any safety measure and most people didn't actually lock down. Any extension will almost certainly be the fault of most of those people. \nI'd gladly let them all die if it meant the few people who did take things seriously didn't have to live through a Walking Dead scenario or have to take a huge financial hit because them.",
">\n\nMost people did lock down just fine initially. After a few weeks turned into a month or more, yeah people got testy.\nAdditionally, a gigantic amount of people work in critical industries and simply cant stay home. Just keeping the lights and water on requires tens of millions of workers, plus industries like plants and refineries that simply cannot shut down without massive long-term consequences.\nReddit is full of office people who can WFH, the vast majority of people cant.",
">\n\nI was one of those who couldn't stay home. Right out of the gate most people gave up on almost all of it except when they were making a show of complying when they had to. There was a lot of cheating. I walk through a lot of different areas. The waves of patients and bodies we got at work tracked with that and became predictable.",
">\n\nWhat’s that saying that ends with ”…doomed to repeat it?”",
">\n\nWhy not just require a negative test from everyone?",
">\n\nWho would you expect to pay for that?",
">\n\nGovernments or sponsors from the private sector ideally, I honestly don’t give a fuck. I’ve gotten many free tests from both and I’ve also bought some for like $8.",
">\n\n“Here we go again” from everyone in the comments. \nThe virus never stopped, we did.",
">\n\nVirus will always be there. Permanent restrictions are unsustainable",
">\n\n3 years later...\nIs this permanent?",
">\n\nI doubt there's anything that would make Republicans running in 2024 happier then Democrats advocating for a return to COVID restrictions.",
">\n\nRight? It’d be like the democrats fighting for gun control, or gay and trans rights, or safe and legal abortions. It would be political suicide to stand for something that Republicans don’t like!",
">\n\nMy understanding is that everything you listed is broadly popular or has at least a majority of American's in favor of it. A return to COVID restrictions is not in that category.",
">\n\nGun control isn’t even universally loved amongst the American left, as the hard left needs them for protection from the hard right they clash with, and the middle left does like having their guns taken as much as any middle right wing does, only mid left likes it",
">\n\nGallup has 57% of Americans feeling that in general gun laws should be more strict.",
">\n\nRegular people want kids to stop dying while in school. The problem is \"stricter laws\" is vague and no one can agree on what it means or give a serious proposal that would work, short of confiscation and bans, which are wildly unpopular.",
">\n\nVague political talking points is the best we’re going to get. Much as I’d love a Ross Perot style of breaking down every platform and promise, the general public doesn’t go for it. Buzz words are all we have the attention span for.",
">\n\nChina's COVID-19 surge raises odds of new coronavirus variants\nThings could get very ugly.",
">\n\nYou say this like covid hasn't been spreading rampantly through literally every country on the planet, mostly without any measures to stop the spread. Why does China get a different treatment and maybe countries should require tests from the US or Inida or Europe?",
">\n\nI agree. US was primarily the culprit of why COVID went rampant to begin with. We actively refused to enforce any sort of safety measures, just a mild suggestion of \"maybe wear a mask, if you want to, it's ok if you don't\" and \"we have vaccines if you want one, no pressure tho\". That was really our response to the world's deadliest pandemic.",
">\n\nWe actively made fun of zero covid approaches on reddit and now based on the comments on this thread we are suddenly pro “zero covid” approaches",
">\n\nEveryone finally watched contagion",
">\n\nSo far my 2023 bingo card is reading alooot of skull and crossbones, I think I might actually win at something next year, what does your score card look like?",
">\n\nWhen’s that $1200 going to hit my account?",
">\n\nI’m still living off mine from last time!",
">\n\nI’m still looking for mine",
">\n\nI’m waiting for that $600 bucks from Biden still, but that’s going right into my retirement!",
">\n\nYou dont get he meant to include any money you already received as well /s",
">\n\nI seem to remember campaign ads with $2000 checks.",
">\n\nYep they explicitly mentioned $2,000 checks.",
">\n\nMy comment was sarcasm but in retrospect there are so many neoliberals saying that word for word in all seriousness that I should and will add a sarcasm tag",
">\n\nThat's nice and all, but let's not act like we're not just ignoring our own COVID problems.",
">\n\n\n\"You don't have zero tolerance anymore? We can't tolerate that.\"\n\n- Country with 100% tolerance",
">\n\nWhy not require a negative COVID test from everyone entering the country? It’s like they don’t want COVID to be under control.",
">\n\nI think this is because China has a relatively low vaccination rate because they relied on lock downs. Now that lock downs are being ramped down, they are having a huge surge.",
">\n\nThe vaccination rate in China is considerably higher than the US (92% vs 81%). This is just another example of yellow peril",
">\n\nThank you for pointing this out. What I said above was wrong about the vaccination rate. I don’t know why exactly China is having a surge. 🤷♂️",
">\n\nTheir vaccination rate is high but their vaccine, SinoVac is based on old tech. It conveys effectively zero protection from variants when compared to all the other types of vaccines on the market.",
">\n\nYou guys are so full of shit. At 3 doses Sinovac gives the same protection as any western vaccine with boosters to help mitigate mutated variants. Stop spreading misinfo.",
">\n\n\"Does that thumbnail of someone getting tested read too much like 'screaming uselessly into the void'?\"\n\"I'm sure it'll be fine.\"",
">\n\nMaybe, just maybe they shouldnt have stopped testing airplane passengers in the first place... \nWe have cheap, readily available tests that take 10 minutes to complete. There’s really no reason not to test ever passenger before boarding...",
">\n\nEveryone I know who had Omicron tested negative until their symptoms cleared. It was evading the RATs, for some reason.",
">\n\nI tested positive on a rapid test two days after getting congested. Every teacher coworker of mine who bothered to test after getting cold symptoms also did. I think it's why so few parents now test their kids before sending time to school sick. They don't want to know so we all find out when we or our family members then test positive, missing work on their sick kids' behalf so they didn't have to. \nI have also heard the rapid test can give false negatives but anecdotal references don't mean much.",
">\n\nA day late and a dollar short. Same old song and dance.",
">\n\nWow, it’s like history literally repeating itself.",
">\n\nIndeed it is. I hope everyone is prepared for what’s next.",
">\n\nWe should require negative COVID tests for people to fly within the US, too.\nIt makes no difference to me if the person who infects me at LAX is coming in from China, or from Texas.",
">\n\nThere is a high chance anyone that comes from China has Covid right now. Low chance that someone inside America has.",
">\n\nNaw. China’s percent is much higher, sure, but it’s not like US infection rates are low. You can pretty much guarantee an infected American on every sold out domestic flight. The latest variants are super, super contagious, and it only takes one infected person to pose a serious risk to the other people sharing their space, and then all of their families and friends after they land. All flights should still require testing and masking at this point, or all we’ve really accomplished is pacifying the dimwits and xenophobes.\nI know at least 3 people who 100% contracted COVID while flying domestically in the US this last month - because they were isolated for the incubation period beforehand. They were masked the entire time they were in the airport and on the plane.",
">\n\nIf they were masked up and I assume vaccinated and still caught the virus then preventable measures like these aren’t that effective.",
">\n\nIs there a new strain of Covid that isn't in the U.S yet, otherwise what's the point.",
">\n\nUm testing should not ever stop.",
">\n\nAh shit here we go again",
">\n\n\"Who left the fridge open?\"",
">\n\nIt's \"just a cold\" unless it's a non-white person from another country carrying it.\n/s"
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And the United States had effective vaccines that half the country is not willing to nor willing to wear masks, while complaining to other countries like China about their travel restrictions (from China and Hong Kong). And honestly I’m not oppose to a tighter restriction on China while they are experiencing a surge in new cases just as it did with any other countries that initially loosen covid restrictions, what makes me question this being race or politically motivated is the hypocrisy; people complained about China being oppressive when it was enforcing all the covid restrictions and when they loosen it “China doesn’t care about human lives”.
So what exactly do you want them to do?
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"People from China will travel through Europe and come in to America from the east coast like they did when the pandemic started. This will do nothing if all travelers aboard aren’t made to test.",
">\n\nLet's hope EU and other countries do the same.",
">\n\nI don't know if they will. Australia (for example) had some of the toughest Covid policies and they've essentially just thrown them all out the window.\nSo I don't know how willing countries are to go back to being overly concerned about Covid.",
">\n\nThey should be concerned w chinese, it's spreading like wildfire in china. If we aren't careful, they will come out w covid 20.",
">\n\nIt’s spreading everywhere including the USA. This policy has nothing to do with science or medicine. It’s just politics.",
">\n\nNo. It’s circulating like mad in a population of 1 billion people who haven’t been exposed before. This is how new variants come about. Every country should require negative Covid test for china at least until it cycles through the population",
">\n\n\nNo. It’s circulating like mad in a population of 1 billion people who haven’t been exposed before.\n\nIt's also spreading like mad in all the countries of the world including the USA.\n\nThis is how new variants come about. \n\nAnd they have been for years now.\n\nEvery country should require negative Covid test for china at least until it cycles through the population\n\nOnly for political reasons. There is no scientific or rational demand for this. \nI get it, you hate china, most americans hate china so just be honest and say what you really mean.",
">\n\nStrains are spreading in the west yes, but there are new strains in China that are spreading and we don't know if our vaccines will work with those strains. We know the Chinese vaccines have a low efficacy rate and we know they are not mRNA vaccines which allow for easier adaptation to new strains. Making travelers with a Chinese passport take Covid tests at any and all airports is not racist or even unfair - a reminder that China has been relatively hard to travel to for the last 2 years because they were locked down to foreign travel as well. This is simply good policy from a public health measure, and you not wanting to see that for what it is and instead attribute it to a nascent American hatred for China is laughable. the World Health Organization estimated close to 800 million new cases in China in the next few months, with another estimate 4 million deaths and countless new strains coming out during that period. This is about protection populations, not punishing China.",
">\n\n\nStrains are spreading in the west yes, but there are new strains in China that are spreading and we don't know if our vaccines will work with those strains.\n\nYou don't know if vaccines work against any new variant even if that variant is from a country populated with white people.\n\nWe know the Chinese vaccines have a low efficacy rate and we know they are not mRNA vaccines which allow for easier adaptation to new strains. \n\nThe vaccine doesn't adapt once inside of your body you know that right?\n\nMaking travelers with a Chinese passport take Covid tests at any and all airports is not racist or even unfair \n\nit's definitely unfair and probably racist as well.\n\nhis is simply good policy from a public health measure, a\n\nA good policy would be to require vaccinations from everybody. Think about it, you are requiring a vaccine that you said doesn't even work. How much sense does that make?\n\nattribute it to a nascent American hatred for China is laughable.\n\nNascent?\n\nThis is about protection populations, not punishing China.\n\nIt's definitely about punishing china, it's a part of the current cold war with China conducted by the USA.",
">\n\n\nYou don't know if vaccines work against any new variant even if that variant is from a country populated with white people.\n\nAll the more reason to not invite more new strains into the country. White population or otherwise has nothing to do with it, expected rise in cases in China does.\n\nThe vaccine doesn't adapt once inside of your body you know that right?\n\nYou missed the point. The point i was making was that the Chinese medical system has not even approached Covid with an mRNA vaccine, and steadfastly refused to license western vaccines. If the vaccine most readily available in China has a 50% efficacy then the population is at more risk of contracting the virus and having negative results. The infection rates are increased with each new case of BA.7 (China is currently seeing each covid patient infecting on average 18 other people represented as 1:18, whereas the in US the rate is 1:3.9). Each of these factors increases the risk of developing new strains that are vaccine resistant. \n\nit's definitely unfair and probably racist as well\n\nIs it your position that nations cannot take any prescriptive action to prevent the spread of infected persons from other countries? Again i would remind you that China has basically been locked down for the last 2 years, with severe limitations to personal freedoms themselves. This is not based on race, but rather a government's inability to contain a contagious outbreak in their own country and not wanting it to spread. \n\nA good policy would be to require vaccinations from everybody. Think about it, you are requiring a vaccine that you said doesn't even work. How much sense does that make?\n\nThat might be your definition on good policy, but it isn't mine and that isn't how the west does it. \"I\" am not requiring a vaccine that \"I\" said doesn't work - that was your suggestion not mine. Also, i said the efficacy of the Chinese vaccine is 50% - based on available information - i never said it didn't work, and i never said that it should be mandatory or required.\n\nNascent?\n\nPoor and wrong word choice on my part it seems. What i meant was ascribing the US decision to require testing of Chinese travelers to racism because you believe that the US is racist is laughable. Taking a test to prove that you are covid negative is far less onerous on a traveler than most visa requirements.\n\nIt's definitely about punishing china, it's a part of the current cold war with China conducted by the USA.\n\nCite your sources. I could point to many Chinese government policies that i could say are part of the current cold war with the US without backing it up and it would be just as credible as what you said. Opinion is not a source, and not proof. You assume that the US government is racist, that this policy is racist and yet we have had travel bans imposed on other countries, as well as testing required for travelers from other countries imposed before, and other policies and so has China. For goodness sake China has been closed to foreigners for almost 3 years, and is still closed to foreign travel until January 2023. Is that a racist policy as well?",
">\n\nHere we go again.\nThis time I think I'll learn French cooking.",
">\n\n5000 People a day will have to die before Anybody says the word Lock down in the States ever again.",
">\n\nDon’t understand why people can’t handle staying at home for two weeks when it could potentially eradicate a deadly virus. Are we that weak?",
">\n\nWe did that in large part in March 2020. And did China not spend years locking down their citizens? \nPeoples savings are gone. They need to work. \nWearing a mask would do a lot to help the issue but people aren’t willing to do that anymore.",
">\n\nWe didn't do that though. We didn't all lock down when we were supposed to. Where I work I had to go in from the very start all the way through. Most people, the majority of people, didn't stay home even if they didn't have work. Most people didn't fuck with masks or keeping a distance, and even people who weren't antivaccers didn't take the vaccine seriously for the longest time. \nWe had no fucking lock down, unless you were a well-off celebrity or comedian who wanted to talk about being locked down for content. \nIf people legit locked down, they would have taken a small hit financially, but too many people didn't do shit and prolonged everything.",
">\n\nThe things is that it doesn't take long to drain peoples saving - becuase the overwhelming majority of people have practically none. \nSo an extended lockdown was never feasible unless the government was willing to pay several trillion dollars of expenses, not just 2 or 3 times but several times over.",
">\n\nI didn't dispute any of what you said. I pointed out that most people actively contested any safety measure and most people didn't actually lock down. Any extension will almost certainly be the fault of most of those people. \nI'd gladly let them all die if it meant the few people who did take things seriously didn't have to live through a Walking Dead scenario or have to take a huge financial hit because them.",
">\n\nMost people did lock down just fine initially. After a few weeks turned into a month or more, yeah people got testy.\nAdditionally, a gigantic amount of people work in critical industries and simply cant stay home. Just keeping the lights and water on requires tens of millions of workers, plus industries like plants and refineries that simply cannot shut down without massive long-term consequences.\nReddit is full of office people who can WFH, the vast majority of people cant.",
">\n\nI was one of those who couldn't stay home. Right out of the gate most people gave up on almost all of it except when they were making a show of complying when they had to. There was a lot of cheating. I walk through a lot of different areas. The waves of patients and bodies we got at work tracked with that and became predictable.",
">\n\nWhat’s that saying that ends with ”…doomed to repeat it?”",
">\n\nWhy not just require a negative test from everyone?",
">\n\nWho would you expect to pay for that?",
">\n\nGovernments or sponsors from the private sector ideally, I honestly don’t give a fuck. I’ve gotten many free tests from both and I’ve also bought some for like $8.",
">\n\n“Here we go again” from everyone in the comments. \nThe virus never stopped, we did.",
">\n\nVirus will always be there. Permanent restrictions are unsustainable",
">\n\n3 years later...\nIs this permanent?",
">\n\nI doubt there's anything that would make Republicans running in 2024 happier then Democrats advocating for a return to COVID restrictions.",
">\n\nRight? It’d be like the democrats fighting for gun control, or gay and trans rights, or safe and legal abortions. It would be political suicide to stand for something that Republicans don’t like!",
">\n\nMy understanding is that everything you listed is broadly popular or has at least a majority of American's in favor of it. A return to COVID restrictions is not in that category.",
">\n\nGun control isn’t even universally loved amongst the American left, as the hard left needs them for protection from the hard right they clash with, and the middle left does like having their guns taken as much as any middle right wing does, only mid left likes it",
">\n\nGallup has 57% of Americans feeling that in general gun laws should be more strict.",
">\n\nRegular people want kids to stop dying while in school. The problem is \"stricter laws\" is vague and no one can agree on what it means or give a serious proposal that would work, short of confiscation and bans, which are wildly unpopular.",
">\n\nVague political talking points is the best we’re going to get. Much as I’d love a Ross Perot style of breaking down every platform and promise, the general public doesn’t go for it. Buzz words are all we have the attention span for.",
">\n\nChina's COVID-19 surge raises odds of new coronavirus variants\nThings could get very ugly.",
">\n\nYou say this like covid hasn't been spreading rampantly through literally every country on the planet, mostly without any measures to stop the spread. Why does China get a different treatment and maybe countries should require tests from the US or Inida or Europe?",
">\n\nI agree. US was primarily the culprit of why COVID went rampant to begin with. We actively refused to enforce any sort of safety measures, just a mild suggestion of \"maybe wear a mask, if you want to, it's ok if you don't\" and \"we have vaccines if you want one, no pressure tho\". That was really our response to the world's deadliest pandemic.",
">\n\nWe actively made fun of zero covid approaches on reddit and now based on the comments on this thread we are suddenly pro “zero covid” approaches",
">\n\nEveryone finally watched contagion",
">\n\nSo far my 2023 bingo card is reading alooot of skull and crossbones, I think I might actually win at something next year, what does your score card look like?",
">\n\nWhen’s that $1200 going to hit my account?",
">\n\nI’m still living off mine from last time!",
">\n\nI’m still looking for mine",
">\n\nI’m waiting for that $600 bucks from Biden still, but that’s going right into my retirement!",
">\n\nYou dont get he meant to include any money you already received as well /s",
">\n\nI seem to remember campaign ads with $2000 checks.",
">\n\nYep they explicitly mentioned $2,000 checks.",
">\n\nMy comment was sarcasm but in retrospect there are so many neoliberals saying that word for word in all seriousness that I should and will add a sarcasm tag",
">\n\nThat's nice and all, but let's not act like we're not just ignoring our own COVID problems.",
">\n\n\n\"You don't have zero tolerance anymore? We can't tolerate that.\"\n\n- Country with 100% tolerance",
">\n\nWhy not require a negative COVID test from everyone entering the country? It’s like they don’t want COVID to be under control.",
">\n\nI think this is because China has a relatively low vaccination rate because they relied on lock downs. Now that lock downs are being ramped down, they are having a huge surge.",
">\n\nThe vaccination rate in China is considerably higher than the US (92% vs 81%). This is just another example of yellow peril",
">\n\nThank you for pointing this out. What I said above was wrong about the vaccination rate. I don’t know why exactly China is having a surge. 🤷♂️",
">\n\nTheir vaccination rate is high but their vaccine, SinoVac is based on old tech. It conveys effectively zero protection from variants when compared to all the other types of vaccines on the market.",
">\n\nYou guys are so full of shit. At 3 doses Sinovac gives the same protection as any western vaccine with boosters to help mitigate mutated variants. Stop spreading misinfo.",
">\n\n\"Does that thumbnail of someone getting tested read too much like 'screaming uselessly into the void'?\"\n\"I'm sure it'll be fine.\"",
">\n\nMaybe, just maybe they shouldnt have stopped testing airplane passengers in the first place... \nWe have cheap, readily available tests that take 10 minutes to complete. There’s really no reason not to test ever passenger before boarding...",
">\n\nEveryone I know who had Omicron tested negative until their symptoms cleared. It was evading the RATs, for some reason.",
">\n\nI tested positive on a rapid test two days after getting congested. Every teacher coworker of mine who bothered to test after getting cold symptoms also did. I think it's why so few parents now test their kids before sending time to school sick. They don't want to know so we all find out when we or our family members then test positive, missing work on their sick kids' behalf so they didn't have to. \nI have also heard the rapid test can give false negatives but anecdotal references don't mean much.",
">\n\nA day late and a dollar short. Same old song and dance.",
">\n\nWow, it’s like history literally repeating itself.",
">\n\nIndeed it is. I hope everyone is prepared for what’s next.",
">\n\nWe should require negative COVID tests for people to fly within the US, too.\nIt makes no difference to me if the person who infects me at LAX is coming in from China, or from Texas.",
">\n\nThere is a high chance anyone that comes from China has Covid right now. Low chance that someone inside America has.",
">\n\nNaw. China’s percent is much higher, sure, but it’s not like US infection rates are low. You can pretty much guarantee an infected American on every sold out domestic flight. The latest variants are super, super contagious, and it only takes one infected person to pose a serious risk to the other people sharing their space, and then all of their families and friends after they land. All flights should still require testing and masking at this point, or all we’ve really accomplished is pacifying the dimwits and xenophobes.\nI know at least 3 people who 100% contracted COVID while flying domestically in the US this last month - because they were isolated for the incubation period beforehand. They were masked the entire time they were in the airport and on the plane.",
">\n\nIf they were masked up and I assume vaccinated and still caught the virus then preventable measures like these aren’t that effective.",
">\n\nIs there a new strain of Covid that isn't in the U.S yet, otherwise what's the point.",
">\n\nUm testing should not ever stop.",
">\n\nAh shit here we go again",
">\n\n\"Who left the fridge open?\"",
">\n\nIt's \"just a cold\" unless it's a non-white person from another country carrying it.\n/s",
">\n\nChina implemented an ineffective vaccine and had 30m+ cases in one day. It’s specifically that gov. refusing to use effective vaccines"
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to Require Negative Covid Tests for Travelers From China
Luckily China is well known for its systemic unwillingness to fake or counterfeit things, so everything should be fine.
honest.
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"People from China will travel through Europe and come in to America from the east coast like they did when the pandemic started. This will do nothing if all travelers aboard aren’t made to test.",
">\n\nLet's hope EU and other countries do the same.",
">\n\nI don't know if they will. Australia (for example) had some of the toughest Covid policies and they've essentially just thrown them all out the window.\nSo I don't know how willing countries are to go back to being overly concerned about Covid.",
">\n\nThey should be concerned w chinese, it's spreading like wildfire in china. If we aren't careful, they will come out w covid 20.",
">\n\nIt’s spreading everywhere including the USA. This policy has nothing to do with science or medicine. It’s just politics.",
">\n\nNo. It’s circulating like mad in a population of 1 billion people who haven’t been exposed before. This is how new variants come about. Every country should require negative Covid test for china at least until it cycles through the population",
">\n\n\nNo. It’s circulating like mad in a population of 1 billion people who haven’t been exposed before.\n\nIt's also spreading like mad in all the countries of the world including the USA.\n\nThis is how new variants come about. \n\nAnd they have been for years now.\n\nEvery country should require negative Covid test for china at least until it cycles through the population\n\nOnly for political reasons. There is no scientific or rational demand for this. \nI get it, you hate china, most americans hate china so just be honest and say what you really mean.",
">\n\nStrains are spreading in the west yes, but there are new strains in China that are spreading and we don't know if our vaccines will work with those strains. We know the Chinese vaccines have a low efficacy rate and we know they are not mRNA vaccines which allow for easier adaptation to new strains. Making travelers with a Chinese passport take Covid tests at any and all airports is not racist or even unfair - a reminder that China has been relatively hard to travel to for the last 2 years because they were locked down to foreign travel as well. This is simply good policy from a public health measure, and you not wanting to see that for what it is and instead attribute it to a nascent American hatred for China is laughable. the World Health Organization estimated close to 800 million new cases in China in the next few months, with another estimate 4 million deaths and countless new strains coming out during that period. This is about protection populations, not punishing China.",
">\n\n\nStrains are spreading in the west yes, but there are new strains in China that are spreading and we don't know if our vaccines will work with those strains.\n\nYou don't know if vaccines work against any new variant even if that variant is from a country populated with white people.\n\nWe know the Chinese vaccines have a low efficacy rate and we know they are not mRNA vaccines which allow for easier adaptation to new strains. \n\nThe vaccine doesn't adapt once inside of your body you know that right?\n\nMaking travelers with a Chinese passport take Covid tests at any and all airports is not racist or even unfair \n\nit's definitely unfair and probably racist as well.\n\nhis is simply good policy from a public health measure, a\n\nA good policy would be to require vaccinations from everybody. Think about it, you are requiring a vaccine that you said doesn't even work. How much sense does that make?\n\nattribute it to a nascent American hatred for China is laughable.\n\nNascent?\n\nThis is about protection populations, not punishing China.\n\nIt's definitely about punishing china, it's a part of the current cold war with China conducted by the USA.",
">\n\n\nYou don't know if vaccines work against any new variant even if that variant is from a country populated with white people.\n\nAll the more reason to not invite more new strains into the country. White population or otherwise has nothing to do with it, expected rise in cases in China does.\n\nThe vaccine doesn't adapt once inside of your body you know that right?\n\nYou missed the point. The point i was making was that the Chinese medical system has not even approached Covid with an mRNA vaccine, and steadfastly refused to license western vaccines. If the vaccine most readily available in China has a 50% efficacy then the population is at more risk of contracting the virus and having negative results. The infection rates are increased with each new case of BA.7 (China is currently seeing each covid patient infecting on average 18 other people represented as 1:18, whereas the in US the rate is 1:3.9). Each of these factors increases the risk of developing new strains that are vaccine resistant. \n\nit's definitely unfair and probably racist as well\n\nIs it your position that nations cannot take any prescriptive action to prevent the spread of infected persons from other countries? Again i would remind you that China has basically been locked down for the last 2 years, with severe limitations to personal freedoms themselves. This is not based on race, but rather a government's inability to contain a contagious outbreak in their own country and not wanting it to spread. \n\nA good policy would be to require vaccinations from everybody. Think about it, you are requiring a vaccine that you said doesn't even work. How much sense does that make?\n\nThat might be your definition on good policy, but it isn't mine and that isn't how the west does it. \"I\" am not requiring a vaccine that \"I\" said doesn't work - that was your suggestion not mine. Also, i said the efficacy of the Chinese vaccine is 50% - based on available information - i never said it didn't work, and i never said that it should be mandatory or required.\n\nNascent?\n\nPoor and wrong word choice on my part it seems. What i meant was ascribing the US decision to require testing of Chinese travelers to racism because you believe that the US is racist is laughable. Taking a test to prove that you are covid negative is far less onerous on a traveler than most visa requirements.\n\nIt's definitely about punishing china, it's a part of the current cold war with China conducted by the USA.\n\nCite your sources. I could point to many Chinese government policies that i could say are part of the current cold war with the US without backing it up and it would be just as credible as what you said. Opinion is not a source, and not proof. You assume that the US government is racist, that this policy is racist and yet we have had travel bans imposed on other countries, as well as testing required for travelers from other countries imposed before, and other policies and so has China. For goodness sake China has been closed to foreigners for almost 3 years, and is still closed to foreign travel until January 2023. Is that a racist policy as well?",
">\n\nHere we go again.\nThis time I think I'll learn French cooking.",
">\n\n5000 People a day will have to die before Anybody says the word Lock down in the States ever again.",
">\n\nDon’t understand why people can’t handle staying at home for two weeks when it could potentially eradicate a deadly virus. Are we that weak?",
">\n\nWe did that in large part in March 2020. And did China not spend years locking down their citizens? \nPeoples savings are gone. They need to work. \nWearing a mask would do a lot to help the issue but people aren’t willing to do that anymore.",
">\n\nWe didn't do that though. We didn't all lock down when we were supposed to. Where I work I had to go in from the very start all the way through. Most people, the majority of people, didn't stay home even if they didn't have work. Most people didn't fuck with masks or keeping a distance, and even people who weren't antivaccers didn't take the vaccine seriously for the longest time. \nWe had no fucking lock down, unless you were a well-off celebrity or comedian who wanted to talk about being locked down for content. \nIf people legit locked down, they would have taken a small hit financially, but too many people didn't do shit and prolonged everything.",
">\n\nThe things is that it doesn't take long to drain peoples saving - becuase the overwhelming majority of people have practically none. \nSo an extended lockdown was never feasible unless the government was willing to pay several trillion dollars of expenses, not just 2 or 3 times but several times over.",
">\n\nI didn't dispute any of what you said. I pointed out that most people actively contested any safety measure and most people didn't actually lock down. Any extension will almost certainly be the fault of most of those people. \nI'd gladly let them all die if it meant the few people who did take things seriously didn't have to live through a Walking Dead scenario or have to take a huge financial hit because them.",
">\n\nMost people did lock down just fine initially. After a few weeks turned into a month or more, yeah people got testy.\nAdditionally, a gigantic amount of people work in critical industries and simply cant stay home. Just keeping the lights and water on requires tens of millions of workers, plus industries like plants and refineries that simply cannot shut down without massive long-term consequences.\nReddit is full of office people who can WFH, the vast majority of people cant.",
">\n\nI was one of those who couldn't stay home. Right out of the gate most people gave up on almost all of it except when they were making a show of complying when they had to. There was a lot of cheating. I walk through a lot of different areas. The waves of patients and bodies we got at work tracked with that and became predictable.",
">\n\nWhat’s that saying that ends with ”…doomed to repeat it?”",
">\n\nWhy not just require a negative test from everyone?",
">\n\nWho would you expect to pay for that?",
">\n\nGovernments or sponsors from the private sector ideally, I honestly don’t give a fuck. I’ve gotten many free tests from both and I’ve also bought some for like $8.",
">\n\n“Here we go again” from everyone in the comments. \nThe virus never stopped, we did.",
">\n\nVirus will always be there. Permanent restrictions are unsustainable",
">\n\n3 years later...\nIs this permanent?",
">\n\nI doubt there's anything that would make Republicans running in 2024 happier then Democrats advocating for a return to COVID restrictions.",
">\n\nRight? It’d be like the democrats fighting for gun control, or gay and trans rights, or safe and legal abortions. It would be political suicide to stand for something that Republicans don’t like!",
">\n\nMy understanding is that everything you listed is broadly popular or has at least a majority of American's in favor of it. A return to COVID restrictions is not in that category.",
">\n\nGun control isn’t even universally loved amongst the American left, as the hard left needs them for protection from the hard right they clash with, and the middle left does like having their guns taken as much as any middle right wing does, only mid left likes it",
">\n\nGallup has 57% of Americans feeling that in general gun laws should be more strict.",
">\n\nRegular people want kids to stop dying while in school. The problem is \"stricter laws\" is vague and no one can agree on what it means or give a serious proposal that would work, short of confiscation and bans, which are wildly unpopular.",
">\n\nVague political talking points is the best we’re going to get. Much as I’d love a Ross Perot style of breaking down every platform and promise, the general public doesn’t go for it. Buzz words are all we have the attention span for.",
">\n\nChina's COVID-19 surge raises odds of new coronavirus variants\nThings could get very ugly.",
">\n\nYou say this like covid hasn't been spreading rampantly through literally every country on the planet, mostly without any measures to stop the spread. Why does China get a different treatment and maybe countries should require tests from the US or Inida or Europe?",
">\n\nI agree. US was primarily the culprit of why COVID went rampant to begin with. We actively refused to enforce any sort of safety measures, just a mild suggestion of \"maybe wear a mask, if you want to, it's ok if you don't\" and \"we have vaccines if you want one, no pressure tho\". That was really our response to the world's deadliest pandemic.",
">\n\nWe actively made fun of zero covid approaches on reddit and now based on the comments on this thread we are suddenly pro “zero covid” approaches",
">\n\nEveryone finally watched contagion",
">\n\nSo far my 2023 bingo card is reading alooot of skull and crossbones, I think I might actually win at something next year, what does your score card look like?",
">\n\nWhen’s that $1200 going to hit my account?",
">\n\nI’m still living off mine from last time!",
">\n\nI’m still looking for mine",
">\n\nI’m waiting for that $600 bucks from Biden still, but that’s going right into my retirement!",
">\n\nYou dont get he meant to include any money you already received as well /s",
">\n\nI seem to remember campaign ads with $2000 checks.",
">\n\nYep they explicitly mentioned $2,000 checks.",
">\n\nMy comment was sarcasm but in retrospect there are so many neoliberals saying that word for word in all seriousness that I should and will add a sarcasm tag",
">\n\nThat's nice and all, but let's not act like we're not just ignoring our own COVID problems.",
">\n\n\n\"You don't have zero tolerance anymore? We can't tolerate that.\"\n\n- Country with 100% tolerance",
">\n\nWhy not require a negative COVID test from everyone entering the country? It’s like they don’t want COVID to be under control.",
">\n\nI think this is because China has a relatively low vaccination rate because they relied on lock downs. Now that lock downs are being ramped down, they are having a huge surge.",
">\n\nThe vaccination rate in China is considerably higher than the US (92% vs 81%). This is just another example of yellow peril",
">\n\nThank you for pointing this out. What I said above was wrong about the vaccination rate. I don’t know why exactly China is having a surge. 🤷♂️",
">\n\nTheir vaccination rate is high but their vaccine, SinoVac is based on old tech. It conveys effectively zero protection from variants when compared to all the other types of vaccines on the market.",
">\n\nYou guys are so full of shit. At 3 doses Sinovac gives the same protection as any western vaccine with boosters to help mitigate mutated variants. Stop spreading misinfo.",
">\n\n\"Does that thumbnail of someone getting tested read too much like 'screaming uselessly into the void'?\"\n\"I'm sure it'll be fine.\"",
">\n\nMaybe, just maybe they shouldnt have stopped testing airplane passengers in the first place... \nWe have cheap, readily available tests that take 10 minutes to complete. There’s really no reason not to test ever passenger before boarding...",
">\n\nEveryone I know who had Omicron tested negative until their symptoms cleared. It was evading the RATs, for some reason.",
">\n\nI tested positive on a rapid test two days after getting congested. Every teacher coworker of mine who bothered to test after getting cold symptoms also did. I think it's why so few parents now test their kids before sending time to school sick. They don't want to know so we all find out when we or our family members then test positive, missing work on their sick kids' behalf so they didn't have to. \nI have also heard the rapid test can give false negatives but anecdotal references don't mean much.",
">\n\nA day late and a dollar short. Same old song and dance.",
">\n\nWow, it’s like history literally repeating itself.",
">\n\nIndeed it is. I hope everyone is prepared for what’s next.",
">\n\nWe should require negative COVID tests for people to fly within the US, too.\nIt makes no difference to me if the person who infects me at LAX is coming in from China, or from Texas.",
">\n\nThere is a high chance anyone that comes from China has Covid right now. Low chance that someone inside America has.",
">\n\nNaw. China’s percent is much higher, sure, but it’s not like US infection rates are low. You can pretty much guarantee an infected American on every sold out domestic flight. The latest variants are super, super contagious, and it only takes one infected person to pose a serious risk to the other people sharing their space, and then all of their families and friends after they land. All flights should still require testing and masking at this point, or all we’ve really accomplished is pacifying the dimwits and xenophobes.\nI know at least 3 people who 100% contracted COVID while flying domestically in the US this last month - because they were isolated for the incubation period beforehand. They were masked the entire time they were in the airport and on the plane.",
">\n\nIf they were masked up and I assume vaccinated and still caught the virus then preventable measures like these aren’t that effective.",
">\n\nIs there a new strain of Covid that isn't in the U.S yet, otherwise what's the point.",
">\n\nUm testing should not ever stop.",
">\n\nAh shit here we go again",
">\n\n\"Who left the fridge open?\"",
">\n\nIt's \"just a cold\" unless it's a non-white person from another country carrying it.\n/s",
">\n\nChina implemented an ineffective vaccine and had 30m+ cases in one day. It’s specifically that gov. refusing to use effective vaccines",
">\n\nAnd the United States had effective vaccines that half the country is not willing to nor willing to wear masks, while complaining to other countries like China about their travel restrictions (from China and Hong Kong). And honestly I’m not oppose to a tighter restriction on China while they are experiencing a surge in new cases just as it did with any other countries that initially loosen covid restrictions, what makes me question this being race or politically motivated is the hypocrisy; people complained about China being oppressive when it was enforcing all the covid restrictions and when they loosen it “China doesn’t care about human lives”.\nSo what exactly do you want them to do?"
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Seems purely retaliatory with no actual effectiveness.
Enforcement is over a week away and presumably China has hit its peak already (flights being 40% positive)
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"People from China will travel through Europe and come in to America from the east coast like they did when the pandemic started. This will do nothing if all travelers aboard aren’t made to test.",
">\n\nLet's hope EU and other countries do the same.",
">\n\nI don't know if they will. Australia (for example) had some of the toughest Covid policies and they've essentially just thrown them all out the window.\nSo I don't know how willing countries are to go back to being overly concerned about Covid.",
">\n\nThey should be concerned w chinese, it's spreading like wildfire in china. If we aren't careful, they will come out w covid 20.",
">\n\nIt’s spreading everywhere including the USA. This policy has nothing to do with science or medicine. It’s just politics.",
">\n\nNo. It’s circulating like mad in a population of 1 billion people who haven’t been exposed before. This is how new variants come about. Every country should require negative Covid test for china at least until it cycles through the population",
">\n\n\nNo. It’s circulating like mad in a population of 1 billion people who haven’t been exposed before.\n\nIt's also spreading like mad in all the countries of the world including the USA.\n\nThis is how new variants come about. \n\nAnd they have been for years now.\n\nEvery country should require negative Covid test for china at least until it cycles through the population\n\nOnly for political reasons. There is no scientific or rational demand for this. \nI get it, you hate china, most americans hate china so just be honest and say what you really mean.",
">\n\nStrains are spreading in the west yes, but there are new strains in China that are spreading and we don't know if our vaccines will work with those strains. We know the Chinese vaccines have a low efficacy rate and we know they are not mRNA vaccines which allow for easier adaptation to new strains. Making travelers with a Chinese passport take Covid tests at any and all airports is not racist or even unfair - a reminder that China has been relatively hard to travel to for the last 2 years because they were locked down to foreign travel as well. This is simply good policy from a public health measure, and you not wanting to see that for what it is and instead attribute it to a nascent American hatred for China is laughable. the World Health Organization estimated close to 800 million new cases in China in the next few months, with another estimate 4 million deaths and countless new strains coming out during that period. This is about protection populations, not punishing China.",
">\n\n\nStrains are spreading in the west yes, but there are new strains in China that are spreading and we don't know if our vaccines will work with those strains.\n\nYou don't know if vaccines work against any new variant even if that variant is from a country populated with white people.\n\nWe know the Chinese vaccines have a low efficacy rate and we know they are not mRNA vaccines which allow for easier adaptation to new strains. \n\nThe vaccine doesn't adapt once inside of your body you know that right?\n\nMaking travelers with a Chinese passport take Covid tests at any and all airports is not racist or even unfair \n\nit's definitely unfair and probably racist as well.\n\nhis is simply good policy from a public health measure, a\n\nA good policy would be to require vaccinations from everybody. Think about it, you are requiring a vaccine that you said doesn't even work. How much sense does that make?\n\nattribute it to a nascent American hatred for China is laughable.\n\nNascent?\n\nThis is about protection populations, not punishing China.\n\nIt's definitely about punishing china, it's a part of the current cold war with China conducted by the USA.",
">\n\n\nYou don't know if vaccines work against any new variant even if that variant is from a country populated with white people.\n\nAll the more reason to not invite more new strains into the country. White population or otherwise has nothing to do with it, expected rise in cases in China does.\n\nThe vaccine doesn't adapt once inside of your body you know that right?\n\nYou missed the point. The point i was making was that the Chinese medical system has not even approached Covid with an mRNA vaccine, and steadfastly refused to license western vaccines. If the vaccine most readily available in China has a 50% efficacy then the population is at more risk of contracting the virus and having negative results. The infection rates are increased with each new case of BA.7 (China is currently seeing each covid patient infecting on average 18 other people represented as 1:18, whereas the in US the rate is 1:3.9). Each of these factors increases the risk of developing new strains that are vaccine resistant. \n\nit's definitely unfair and probably racist as well\n\nIs it your position that nations cannot take any prescriptive action to prevent the spread of infected persons from other countries? Again i would remind you that China has basically been locked down for the last 2 years, with severe limitations to personal freedoms themselves. This is not based on race, but rather a government's inability to contain a contagious outbreak in their own country and not wanting it to spread. \n\nA good policy would be to require vaccinations from everybody. Think about it, you are requiring a vaccine that you said doesn't even work. How much sense does that make?\n\nThat might be your definition on good policy, but it isn't mine and that isn't how the west does it. \"I\" am not requiring a vaccine that \"I\" said doesn't work - that was your suggestion not mine. Also, i said the efficacy of the Chinese vaccine is 50% - based on available information - i never said it didn't work, and i never said that it should be mandatory or required.\n\nNascent?\n\nPoor and wrong word choice on my part it seems. What i meant was ascribing the US decision to require testing of Chinese travelers to racism because you believe that the US is racist is laughable. Taking a test to prove that you are covid negative is far less onerous on a traveler than most visa requirements.\n\nIt's definitely about punishing china, it's a part of the current cold war with China conducted by the USA.\n\nCite your sources. I could point to many Chinese government policies that i could say are part of the current cold war with the US without backing it up and it would be just as credible as what you said. Opinion is not a source, and not proof. You assume that the US government is racist, that this policy is racist and yet we have had travel bans imposed on other countries, as well as testing required for travelers from other countries imposed before, and other policies and so has China. For goodness sake China has been closed to foreigners for almost 3 years, and is still closed to foreign travel until January 2023. Is that a racist policy as well?",
">\n\nHere we go again.\nThis time I think I'll learn French cooking.",
">\n\n5000 People a day will have to die before Anybody says the word Lock down in the States ever again.",
">\n\nDon’t understand why people can’t handle staying at home for two weeks when it could potentially eradicate a deadly virus. Are we that weak?",
">\n\nWe did that in large part in March 2020. And did China not spend years locking down their citizens? \nPeoples savings are gone. They need to work. \nWearing a mask would do a lot to help the issue but people aren’t willing to do that anymore.",
">\n\nWe didn't do that though. We didn't all lock down when we were supposed to. Where I work I had to go in from the very start all the way through. Most people, the majority of people, didn't stay home even if they didn't have work. Most people didn't fuck with masks or keeping a distance, and even people who weren't antivaccers didn't take the vaccine seriously for the longest time. \nWe had no fucking lock down, unless you were a well-off celebrity or comedian who wanted to talk about being locked down for content. \nIf people legit locked down, they would have taken a small hit financially, but too many people didn't do shit and prolonged everything.",
">\n\nThe things is that it doesn't take long to drain peoples saving - becuase the overwhelming majority of people have practically none. \nSo an extended lockdown was never feasible unless the government was willing to pay several trillion dollars of expenses, not just 2 or 3 times but several times over.",
">\n\nI didn't dispute any of what you said. I pointed out that most people actively contested any safety measure and most people didn't actually lock down. Any extension will almost certainly be the fault of most of those people. \nI'd gladly let them all die if it meant the few people who did take things seriously didn't have to live through a Walking Dead scenario or have to take a huge financial hit because them.",
">\n\nMost people did lock down just fine initially. After a few weeks turned into a month or more, yeah people got testy.\nAdditionally, a gigantic amount of people work in critical industries and simply cant stay home. Just keeping the lights and water on requires tens of millions of workers, plus industries like plants and refineries that simply cannot shut down without massive long-term consequences.\nReddit is full of office people who can WFH, the vast majority of people cant.",
">\n\nI was one of those who couldn't stay home. Right out of the gate most people gave up on almost all of it except when they were making a show of complying when they had to. There was a lot of cheating. I walk through a lot of different areas. The waves of patients and bodies we got at work tracked with that and became predictable.",
">\n\nWhat’s that saying that ends with ”…doomed to repeat it?”",
">\n\nWhy not just require a negative test from everyone?",
">\n\nWho would you expect to pay for that?",
">\n\nGovernments or sponsors from the private sector ideally, I honestly don’t give a fuck. I’ve gotten many free tests from both and I’ve also bought some for like $8.",
">\n\n“Here we go again” from everyone in the comments. \nThe virus never stopped, we did.",
">\n\nVirus will always be there. Permanent restrictions are unsustainable",
">\n\n3 years later...\nIs this permanent?",
">\n\nI doubt there's anything that would make Republicans running in 2024 happier then Democrats advocating for a return to COVID restrictions.",
">\n\nRight? It’d be like the democrats fighting for gun control, or gay and trans rights, or safe and legal abortions. It would be political suicide to stand for something that Republicans don’t like!",
">\n\nMy understanding is that everything you listed is broadly popular or has at least a majority of American's in favor of it. A return to COVID restrictions is not in that category.",
">\n\nGun control isn’t even universally loved amongst the American left, as the hard left needs them for protection from the hard right they clash with, and the middle left does like having their guns taken as much as any middle right wing does, only mid left likes it",
">\n\nGallup has 57% of Americans feeling that in general gun laws should be more strict.",
">\n\nRegular people want kids to stop dying while in school. The problem is \"stricter laws\" is vague and no one can agree on what it means or give a serious proposal that would work, short of confiscation and bans, which are wildly unpopular.",
">\n\nVague political talking points is the best we’re going to get. Much as I’d love a Ross Perot style of breaking down every platform and promise, the general public doesn’t go for it. Buzz words are all we have the attention span for.",
">\n\nChina's COVID-19 surge raises odds of new coronavirus variants\nThings could get very ugly.",
">\n\nYou say this like covid hasn't been spreading rampantly through literally every country on the planet, mostly without any measures to stop the spread. Why does China get a different treatment and maybe countries should require tests from the US or Inida or Europe?",
">\n\nI agree. US was primarily the culprit of why COVID went rampant to begin with. We actively refused to enforce any sort of safety measures, just a mild suggestion of \"maybe wear a mask, if you want to, it's ok if you don't\" and \"we have vaccines if you want one, no pressure tho\". That was really our response to the world's deadliest pandemic.",
">\n\nWe actively made fun of zero covid approaches on reddit and now based on the comments on this thread we are suddenly pro “zero covid” approaches",
">\n\nEveryone finally watched contagion",
">\n\nSo far my 2023 bingo card is reading alooot of skull and crossbones, I think I might actually win at something next year, what does your score card look like?",
">\n\nWhen’s that $1200 going to hit my account?",
">\n\nI’m still living off mine from last time!",
">\n\nI’m still looking for mine",
">\n\nI’m waiting for that $600 bucks from Biden still, but that’s going right into my retirement!",
">\n\nYou dont get he meant to include any money you already received as well /s",
">\n\nI seem to remember campaign ads with $2000 checks.",
">\n\nYep they explicitly mentioned $2,000 checks.",
">\n\nMy comment was sarcasm but in retrospect there are so many neoliberals saying that word for word in all seriousness that I should and will add a sarcasm tag",
">\n\nThat's nice and all, but let's not act like we're not just ignoring our own COVID problems.",
">\n\n\n\"You don't have zero tolerance anymore? We can't tolerate that.\"\n\n- Country with 100% tolerance",
">\n\nWhy not require a negative COVID test from everyone entering the country? It’s like they don’t want COVID to be under control.",
">\n\nI think this is because China has a relatively low vaccination rate because they relied on lock downs. Now that lock downs are being ramped down, they are having a huge surge.",
">\n\nThe vaccination rate in China is considerably higher than the US (92% vs 81%). This is just another example of yellow peril",
">\n\nThank you for pointing this out. What I said above was wrong about the vaccination rate. I don’t know why exactly China is having a surge. 🤷♂️",
">\n\nTheir vaccination rate is high but their vaccine, SinoVac is based on old tech. It conveys effectively zero protection from variants when compared to all the other types of vaccines on the market.",
">\n\nYou guys are so full of shit. At 3 doses Sinovac gives the same protection as any western vaccine with boosters to help mitigate mutated variants. Stop spreading misinfo.",
">\n\n\"Does that thumbnail of someone getting tested read too much like 'screaming uselessly into the void'?\"\n\"I'm sure it'll be fine.\"",
">\n\nMaybe, just maybe they shouldnt have stopped testing airplane passengers in the first place... \nWe have cheap, readily available tests that take 10 minutes to complete. There’s really no reason not to test ever passenger before boarding...",
">\n\nEveryone I know who had Omicron tested negative until their symptoms cleared. It was evading the RATs, for some reason.",
">\n\nI tested positive on a rapid test two days after getting congested. Every teacher coworker of mine who bothered to test after getting cold symptoms also did. I think it's why so few parents now test their kids before sending time to school sick. They don't want to know so we all find out when we or our family members then test positive, missing work on their sick kids' behalf so they didn't have to. \nI have also heard the rapid test can give false negatives but anecdotal references don't mean much.",
">\n\nA day late and a dollar short. Same old song and dance.",
">\n\nWow, it’s like history literally repeating itself.",
">\n\nIndeed it is. I hope everyone is prepared for what’s next.",
">\n\nWe should require negative COVID tests for people to fly within the US, too.\nIt makes no difference to me if the person who infects me at LAX is coming in from China, or from Texas.",
">\n\nThere is a high chance anyone that comes from China has Covid right now. Low chance that someone inside America has.",
">\n\nNaw. China’s percent is much higher, sure, but it’s not like US infection rates are low. You can pretty much guarantee an infected American on every sold out domestic flight. The latest variants are super, super contagious, and it only takes one infected person to pose a serious risk to the other people sharing their space, and then all of their families and friends after they land. All flights should still require testing and masking at this point, or all we’ve really accomplished is pacifying the dimwits and xenophobes.\nI know at least 3 people who 100% contracted COVID while flying domestically in the US this last month - because they were isolated for the incubation period beforehand. They were masked the entire time they were in the airport and on the plane.",
">\n\nIf they were masked up and I assume vaccinated and still caught the virus then preventable measures like these aren’t that effective.",
">\n\nIs there a new strain of Covid that isn't in the U.S yet, otherwise what's the point.",
">\n\nUm testing should not ever stop.",
">\n\nAh shit here we go again",
">\n\n\"Who left the fridge open?\"",
">\n\nIt's \"just a cold\" unless it's a non-white person from another country carrying it.\n/s",
">\n\nChina implemented an ineffective vaccine and had 30m+ cases in one day. It’s specifically that gov. refusing to use effective vaccines",
">\n\nAnd the United States had effective vaccines that half the country is not willing to nor willing to wear masks, while complaining to other countries like China about their travel restrictions (from China and Hong Kong). And honestly I’m not oppose to a tighter restriction on China while they are experiencing a surge in new cases just as it did with any other countries that initially loosen covid restrictions, what makes me question this being race or politically motivated is the hypocrisy; people complained about China being oppressive when it was enforcing all the covid restrictions and when they loosen it “China doesn’t care about human lives”.\nSo what exactly do you want them to do?",
">\n\n\nto Require Negative Covid Tests for Travelers From China\n\nLuckily China is well known for its systemic unwillingness to fake or counterfeit things, so everything should be fine.\nhonest."
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The rich rats are going to buy fake tests and jump ship breaking quarantine just like they did in the first wave. Cutting flights or enforcing quarantines is the only way to prevent this stuff from jumping oceans but god forbid anybody inhibit the jet setters.
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"People from China will travel through Europe and come in to America from the east coast like they did when the pandemic started. This will do nothing if all travelers aboard aren’t made to test.",
">\n\nLet's hope EU and other countries do the same.",
">\n\nI don't know if they will. Australia (for example) had some of the toughest Covid policies and they've essentially just thrown them all out the window.\nSo I don't know how willing countries are to go back to being overly concerned about Covid.",
">\n\nThey should be concerned w chinese, it's spreading like wildfire in china. If we aren't careful, they will come out w covid 20.",
">\n\nIt’s spreading everywhere including the USA. This policy has nothing to do with science or medicine. It’s just politics.",
">\n\nNo. It’s circulating like mad in a population of 1 billion people who haven’t been exposed before. This is how new variants come about. Every country should require negative Covid test for china at least until it cycles through the population",
">\n\n\nNo. It’s circulating like mad in a population of 1 billion people who haven’t been exposed before.\n\nIt's also spreading like mad in all the countries of the world including the USA.\n\nThis is how new variants come about. \n\nAnd they have been for years now.\n\nEvery country should require negative Covid test for china at least until it cycles through the population\n\nOnly for political reasons. There is no scientific or rational demand for this. \nI get it, you hate china, most americans hate china so just be honest and say what you really mean.",
">\n\nStrains are spreading in the west yes, but there are new strains in China that are spreading and we don't know if our vaccines will work with those strains. We know the Chinese vaccines have a low efficacy rate and we know they are not mRNA vaccines which allow for easier adaptation to new strains. Making travelers with a Chinese passport take Covid tests at any and all airports is not racist or even unfair - a reminder that China has been relatively hard to travel to for the last 2 years because they were locked down to foreign travel as well. This is simply good policy from a public health measure, and you not wanting to see that for what it is and instead attribute it to a nascent American hatred for China is laughable. the World Health Organization estimated close to 800 million new cases in China in the next few months, with another estimate 4 million deaths and countless new strains coming out during that period. This is about protection populations, not punishing China.",
">\n\n\nStrains are spreading in the west yes, but there are new strains in China that are spreading and we don't know if our vaccines will work with those strains.\n\nYou don't know if vaccines work against any new variant even if that variant is from a country populated with white people.\n\nWe know the Chinese vaccines have a low efficacy rate and we know they are not mRNA vaccines which allow for easier adaptation to new strains. \n\nThe vaccine doesn't adapt once inside of your body you know that right?\n\nMaking travelers with a Chinese passport take Covid tests at any and all airports is not racist or even unfair \n\nit's definitely unfair and probably racist as well.\n\nhis is simply good policy from a public health measure, a\n\nA good policy would be to require vaccinations from everybody. Think about it, you are requiring a vaccine that you said doesn't even work. How much sense does that make?\n\nattribute it to a nascent American hatred for China is laughable.\n\nNascent?\n\nThis is about protection populations, not punishing China.\n\nIt's definitely about punishing china, it's a part of the current cold war with China conducted by the USA.",
">\n\n\nYou don't know if vaccines work against any new variant even if that variant is from a country populated with white people.\n\nAll the more reason to not invite more new strains into the country. White population or otherwise has nothing to do with it, expected rise in cases in China does.\n\nThe vaccine doesn't adapt once inside of your body you know that right?\n\nYou missed the point. The point i was making was that the Chinese medical system has not even approached Covid with an mRNA vaccine, and steadfastly refused to license western vaccines. If the vaccine most readily available in China has a 50% efficacy then the population is at more risk of contracting the virus and having negative results. The infection rates are increased with each new case of BA.7 (China is currently seeing each covid patient infecting on average 18 other people represented as 1:18, whereas the in US the rate is 1:3.9). Each of these factors increases the risk of developing new strains that are vaccine resistant. \n\nit's definitely unfair and probably racist as well\n\nIs it your position that nations cannot take any prescriptive action to prevent the spread of infected persons from other countries? Again i would remind you that China has basically been locked down for the last 2 years, with severe limitations to personal freedoms themselves. This is not based on race, but rather a government's inability to contain a contagious outbreak in their own country and not wanting it to spread. \n\nA good policy would be to require vaccinations from everybody. Think about it, you are requiring a vaccine that you said doesn't even work. How much sense does that make?\n\nThat might be your definition on good policy, but it isn't mine and that isn't how the west does it. \"I\" am not requiring a vaccine that \"I\" said doesn't work - that was your suggestion not mine. Also, i said the efficacy of the Chinese vaccine is 50% - based on available information - i never said it didn't work, and i never said that it should be mandatory or required.\n\nNascent?\n\nPoor and wrong word choice on my part it seems. What i meant was ascribing the US decision to require testing of Chinese travelers to racism because you believe that the US is racist is laughable. Taking a test to prove that you are covid negative is far less onerous on a traveler than most visa requirements.\n\nIt's definitely about punishing china, it's a part of the current cold war with China conducted by the USA.\n\nCite your sources. I could point to many Chinese government policies that i could say are part of the current cold war with the US without backing it up and it would be just as credible as what you said. Opinion is not a source, and not proof. You assume that the US government is racist, that this policy is racist and yet we have had travel bans imposed on other countries, as well as testing required for travelers from other countries imposed before, and other policies and so has China. For goodness sake China has been closed to foreigners for almost 3 years, and is still closed to foreign travel until January 2023. Is that a racist policy as well?",
">\n\nHere we go again.\nThis time I think I'll learn French cooking.",
">\n\n5000 People a day will have to die before Anybody says the word Lock down in the States ever again.",
">\n\nDon’t understand why people can’t handle staying at home for two weeks when it could potentially eradicate a deadly virus. Are we that weak?",
">\n\nWe did that in large part in March 2020. And did China not spend years locking down their citizens? \nPeoples savings are gone. They need to work. \nWearing a mask would do a lot to help the issue but people aren’t willing to do that anymore.",
">\n\nWe didn't do that though. We didn't all lock down when we were supposed to. Where I work I had to go in from the very start all the way through. Most people, the majority of people, didn't stay home even if they didn't have work. Most people didn't fuck with masks or keeping a distance, and even people who weren't antivaccers didn't take the vaccine seriously for the longest time. \nWe had no fucking lock down, unless you were a well-off celebrity or comedian who wanted to talk about being locked down for content. \nIf people legit locked down, they would have taken a small hit financially, but too many people didn't do shit and prolonged everything.",
">\n\nThe things is that it doesn't take long to drain peoples saving - becuase the overwhelming majority of people have practically none. \nSo an extended lockdown was never feasible unless the government was willing to pay several trillion dollars of expenses, not just 2 or 3 times but several times over.",
">\n\nI didn't dispute any of what you said. I pointed out that most people actively contested any safety measure and most people didn't actually lock down. Any extension will almost certainly be the fault of most of those people. \nI'd gladly let them all die if it meant the few people who did take things seriously didn't have to live through a Walking Dead scenario or have to take a huge financial hit because them.",
">\n\nMost people did lock down just fine initially. After a few weeks turned into a month or more, yeah people got testy.\nAdditionally, a gigantic amount of people work in critical industries and simply cant stay home. Just keeping the lights and water on requires tens of millions of workers, plus industries like plants and refineries that simply cannot shut down without massive long-term consequences.\nReddit is full of office people who can WFH, the vast majority of people cant.",
">\n\nI was one of those who couldn't stay home. Right out of the gate most people gave up on almost all of it except when they were making a show of complying when they had to. There was a lot of cheating. I walk through a lot of different areas. The waves of patients and bodies we got at work tracked with that and became predictable.",
">\n\nWhat’s that saying that ends with ”…doomed to repeat it?”",
">\n\nWhy not just require a negative test from everyone?",
">\n\nWho would you expect to pay for that?",
">\n\nGovernments or sponsors from the private sector ideally, I honestly don’t give a fuck. I’ve gotten many free tests from both and I’ve also bought some for like $8.",
">\n\n“Here we go again” from everyone in the comments. \nThe virus never stopped, we did.",
">\n\nVirus will always be there. Permanent restrictions are unsustainable",
">\n\n3 years later...\nIs this permanent?",
">\n\nI doubt there's anything that would make Republicans running in 2024 happier then Democrats advocating for a return to COVID restrictions.",
">\n\nRight? It’d be like the democrats fighting for gun control, or gay and trans rights, or safe and legal abortions. It would be political suicide to stand for something that Republicans don’t like!",
">\n\nMy understanding is that everything you listed is broadly popular or has at least a majority of American's in favor of it. A return to COVID restrictions is not in that category.",
">\n\nGun control isn’t even universally loved amongst the American left, as the hard left needs them for protection from the hard right they clash with, and the middle left does like having their guns taken as much as any middle right wing does, only mid left likes it",
">\n\nGallup has 57% of Americans feeling that in general gun laws should be more strict.",
">\n\nRegular people want kids to stop dying while in school. The problem is \"stricter laws\" is vague and no one can agree on what it means or give a serious proposal that would work, short of confiscation and bans, which are wildly unpopular.",
">\n\nVague political talking points is the best we’re going to get. Much as I’d love a Ross Perot style of breaking down every platform and promise, the general public doesn’t go for it. Buzz words are all we have the attention span for.",
">\n\nChina's COVID-19 surge raises odds of new coronavirus variants\nThings could get very ugly.",
">\n\nYou say this like covid hasn't been spreading rampantly through literally every country on the planet, mostly without any measures to stop the spread. Why does China get a different treatment and maybe countries should require tests from the US or Inida or Europe?",
">\n\nI agree. US was primarily the culprit of why COVID went rampant to begin with. We actively refused to enforce any sort of safety measures, just a mild suggestion of \"maybe wear a mask, if you want to, it's ok if you don't\" and \"we have vaccines if you want one, no pressure tho\". That was really our response to the world's deadliest pandemic.",
">\n\nWe actively made fun of zero covid approaches on reddit and now based on the comments on this thread we are suddenly pro “zero covid” approaches",
">\n\nEveryone finally watched contagion",
">\n\nSo far my 2023 bingo card is reading alooot of skull and crossbones, I think I might actually win at something next year, what does your score card look like?",
">\n\nWhen’s that $1200 going to hit my account?",
">\n\nI’m still living off mine from last time!",
">\n\nI’m still looking for mine",
">\n\nI’m waiting for that $600 bucks from Biden still, but that’s going right into my retirement!",
">\n\nYou dont get he meant to include any money you already received as well /s",
">\n\nI seem to remember campaign ads with $2000 checks.",
">\n\nYep they explicitly mentioned $2,000 checks.",
">\n\nMy comment was sarcasm but in retrospect there are so many neoliberals saying that word for word in all seriousness that I should and will add a sarcasm tag",
">\n\nThat's nice and all, but let's not act like we're not just ignoring our own COVID problems.",
">\n\n\n\"You don't have zero tolerance anymore? We can't tolerate that.\"\n\n- Country with 100% tolerance",
">\n\nWhy not require a negative COVID test from everyone entering the country? It’s like they don’t want COVID to be under control.",
">\n\nI think this is because China has a relatively low vaccination rate because they relied on lock downs. Now that lock downs are being ramped down, they are having a huge surge.",
">\n\nThe vaccination rate in China is considerably higher than the US (92% vs 81%). This is just another example of yellow peril",
">\n\nThank you for pointing this out. What I said above was wrong about the vaccination rate. I don’t know why exactly China is having a surge. 🤷♂️",
">\n\nTheir vaccination rate is high but their vaccine, SinoVac is based on old tech. It conveys effectively zero protection from variants when compared to all the other types of vaccines on the market.",
">\n\nYou guys are so full of shit. At 3 doses Sinovac gives the same protection as any western vaccine with boosters to help mitigate mutated variants. Stop spreading misinfo.",
">\n\n\"Does that thumbnail of someone getting tested read too much like 'screaming uselessly into the void'?\"\n\"I'm sure it'll be fine.\"",
">\n\nMaybe, just maybe they shouldnt have stopped testing airplane passengers in the first place... \nWe have cheap, readily available tests that take 10 minutes to complete. There’s really no reason not to test ever passenger before boarding...",
">\n\nEveryone I know who had Omicron tested negative until their symptoms cleared. It was evading the RATs, for some reason.",
">\n\nI tested positive on a rapid test two days after getting congested. Every teacher coworker of mine who bothered to test after getting cold symptoms also did. I think it's why so few parents now test their kids before sending time to school sick. They don't want to know so we all find out when we or our family members then test positive, missing work on their sick kids' behalf so they didn't have to. \nI have also heard the rapid test can give false negatives but anecdotal references don't mean much.",
">\n\nA day late and a dollar short. Same old song and dance.",
">\n\nWow, it’s like history literally repeating itself.",
">\n\nIndeed it is. I hope everyone is prepared for what’s next.",
">\n\nWe should require negative COVID tests for people to fly within the US, too.\nIt makes no difference to me if the person who infects me at LAX is coming in from China, or from Texas.",
">\n\nThere is a high chance anyone that comes from China has Covid right now. Low chance that someone inside America has.",
">\n\nNaw. China’s percent is much higher, sure, but it’s not like US infection rates are low. You can pretty much guarantee an infected American on every sold out domestic flight. The latest variants are super, super contagious, and it only takes one infected person to pose a serious risk to the other people sharing their space, and then all of their families and friends after they land. All flights should still require testing and masking at this point, or all we’ve really accomplished is pacifying the dimwits and xenophobes.\nI know at least 3 people who 100% contracted COVID while flying domestically in the US this last month - because they were isolated for the incubation period beforehand. They were masked the entire time they were in the airport and on the plane.",
">\n\nIf they were masked up and I assume vaccinated and still caught the virus then preventable measures like these aren’t that effective.",
">\n\nIs there a new strain of Covid that isn't in the U.S yet, otherwise what's the point.",
">\n\nUm testing should not ever stop.",
">\n\nAh shit here we go again",
">\n\n\"Who left the fridge open?\"",
">\n\nIt's \"just a cold\" unless it's a non-white person from another country carrying it.\n/s",
">\n\nChina implemented an ineffective vaccine and had 30m+ cases in one day. It’s specifically that gov. refusing to use effective vaccines",
">\n\nAnd the United States had effective vaccines that half the country is not willing to nor willing to wear masks, while complaining to other countries like China about their travel restrictions (from China and Hong Kong). And honestly I’m not oppose to a tighter restriction on China while they are experiencing a surge in new cases just as it did with any other countries that initially loosen covid restrictions, what makes me question this being race or politically motivated is the hypocrisy; people complained about China being oppressive when it was enforcing all the covid restrictions and when they loosen it “China doesn’t care about human lives”.\nSo what exactly do you want them to do?",
">\n\n\nto Require Negative Covid Tests for Travelers From China\n\nLuckily China is well known for its systemic unwillingness to fake or counterfeit things, so everything should be fine.\nhonest.",
">\n\nSeems purely retaliatory with no actual effectiveness.\nEnforcement is over a week away and presumably China has hit its peak already (flights being 40% positive)"
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HALF of the passengers on a plane from China going to Italy tested positive the other day (tested on arrival). Chances are most if not all of them had negative test results they could show that they took before they left. This won't do anything to stop people coming into the US while positive..we are going to have to go through this all over again and we won't have the same somewhat cooperative response in the US this time if it is a variant that evades immunity... It will get REALLY bad.
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"People from China will travel through Europe and come in to America from the east coast like they did when the pandemic started. This will do nothing if all travelers aboard aren’t made to test.",
">\n\nLet's hope EU and other countries do the same.",
">\n\nI don't know if they will. Australia (for example) had some of the toughest Covid policies and they've essentially just thrown them all out the window.\nSo I don't know how willing countries are to go back to being overly concerned about Covid.",
">\n\nThey should be concerned w chinese, it's spreading like wildfire in china. If we aren't careful, they will come out w covid 20.",
">\n\nIt’s spreading everywhere including the USA. This policy has nothing to do with science or medicine. It’s just politics.",
">\n\nNo. It’s circulating like mad in a population of 1 billion people who haven’t been exposed before. This is how new variants come about. Every country should require negative Covid test for china at least until it cycles through the population",
">\n\n\nNo. It’s circulating like mad in a population of 1 billion people who haven’t been exposed before.\n\nIt's also spreading like mad in all the countries of the world including the USA.\n\nThis is how new variants come about. \n\nAnd they have been for years now.\n\nEvery country should require negative Covid test for china at least until it cycles through the population\n\nOnly for political reasons. There is no scientific or rational demand for this. \nI get it, you hate china, most americans hate china so just be honest and say what you really mean.",
">\n\nStrains are spreading in the west yes, but there are new strains in China that are spreading and we don't know if our vaccines will work with those strains. We know the Chinese vaccines have a low efficacy rate and we know they are not mRNA vaccines which allow for easier adaptation to new strains. Making travelers with a Chinese passport take Covid tests at any and all airports is not racist or even unfair - a reminder that China has been relatively hard to travel to for the last 2 years because they were locked down to foreign travel as well. This is simply good policy from a public health measure, and you not wanting to see that for what it is and instead attribute it to a nascent American hatred for China is laughable. the World Health Organization estimated close to 800 million new cases in China in the next few months, with another estimate 4 million deaths and countless new strains coming out during that period. This is about protection populations, not punishing China.",
">\n\n\nStrains are spreading in the west yes, but there are new strains in China that are spreading and we don't know if our vaccines will work with those strains.\n\nYou don't know if vaccines work against any new variant even if that variant is from a country populated with white people.\n\nWe know the Chinese vaccines have a low efficacy rate and we know they are not mRNA vaccines which allow for easier adaptation to new strains. \n\nThe vaccine doesn't adapt once inside of your body you know that right?\n\nMaking travelers with a Chinese passport take Covid tests at any and all airports is not racist or even unfair \n\nit's definitely unfair and probably racist as well.\n\nhis is simply good policy from a public health measure, a\n\nA good policy would be to require vaccinations from everybody. Think about it, you are requiring a vaccine that you said doesn't even work. How much sense does that make?\n\nattribute it to a nascent American hatred for China is laughable.\n\nNascent?\n\nThis is about protection populations, not punishing China.\n\nIt's definitely about punishing china, it's a part of the current cold war with China conducted by the USA.",
">\n\n\nYou don't know if vaccines work against any new variant even if that variant is from a country populated with white people.\n\nAll the more reason to not invite more new strains into the country. White population or otherwise has nothing to do with it, expected rise in cases in China does.\n\nThe vaccine doesn't adapt once inside of your body you know that right?\n\nYou missed the point. The point i was making was that the Chinese medical system has not even approached Covid with an mRNA vaccine, and steadfastly refused to license western vaccines. If the vaccine most readily available in China has a 50% efficacy then the population is at more risk of contracting the virus and having negative results. The infection rates are increased with each new case of BA.7 (China is currently seeing each covid patient infecting on average 18 other people represented as 1:18, whereas the in US the rate is 1:3.9). Each of these factors increases the risk of developing new strains that are vaccine resistant. \n\nit's definitely unfair and probably racist as well\n\nIs it your position that nations cannot take any prescriptive action to prevent the spread of infected persons from other countries? Again i would remind you that China has basically been locked down for the last 2 years, with severe limitations to personal freedoms themselves. This is not based on race, but rather a government's inability to contain a contagious outbreak in their own country and not wanting it to spread. \n\nA good policy would be to require vaccinations from everybody. Think about it, you are requiring a vaccine that you said doesn't even work. How much sense does that make?\n\nThat might be your definition on good policy, but it isn't mine and that isn't how the west does it. \"I\" am not requiring a vaccine that \"I\" said doesn't work - that was your suggestion not mine. Also, i said the efficacy of the Chinese vaccine is 50% - based on available information - i never said it didn't work, and i never said that it should be mandatory or required.\n\nNascent?\n\nPoor and wrong word choice on my part it seems. What i meant was ascribing the US decision to require testing of Chinese travelers to racism because you believe that the US is racist is laughable. Taking a test to prove that you are covid negative is far less onerous on a traveler than most visa requirements.\n\nIt's definitely about punishing china, it's a part of the current cold war with China conducted by the USA.\n\nCite your sources. I could point to many Chinese government policies that i could say are part of the current cold war with the US without backing it up and it would be just as credible as what you said. Opinion is not a source, and not proof. You assume that the US government is racist, that this policy is racist and yet we have had travel bans imposed on other countries, as well as testing required for travelers from other countries imposed before, and other policies and so has China. For goodness sake China has been closed to foreigners for almost 3 years, and is still closed to foreign travel until January 2023. Is that a racist policy as well?",
">\n\nHere we go again.\nThis time I think I'll learn French cooking.",
">\n\n5000 People a day will have to die before Anybody says the word Lock down in the States ever again.",
">\n\nDon’t understand why people can’t handle staying at home for two weeks when it could potentially eradicate a deadly virus. Are we that weak?",
">\n\nWe did that in large part in March 2020. And did China not spend years locking down their citizens? \nPeoples savings are gone. They need to work. \nWearing a mask would do a lot to help the issue but people aren’t willing to do that anymore.",
">\n\nWe didn't do that though. We didn't all lock down when we were supposed to. Where I work I had to go in from the very start all the way through. Most people, the majority of people, didn't stay home even if they didn't have work. Most people didn't fuck with masks or keeping a distance, and even people who weren't antivaccers didn't take the vaccine seriously for the longest time. \nWe had no fucking lock down, unless you were a well-off celebrity or comedian who wanted to talk about being locked down for content. \nIf people legit locked down, they would have taken a small hit financially, but too many people didn't do shit and prolonged everything.",
">\n\nThe things is that it doesn't take long to drain peoples saving - becuase the overwhelming majority of people have practically none. \nSo an extended lockdown was never feasible unless the government was willing to pay several trillion dollars of expenses, not just 2 or 3 times but several times over.",
">\n\nI didn't dispute any of what you said. I pointed out that most people actively contested any safety measure and most people didn't actually lock down. Any extension will almost certainly be the fault of most of those people. \nI'd gladly let them all die if it meant the few people who did take things seriously didn't have to live through a Walking Dead scenario or have to take a huge financial hit because them.",
">\n\nMost people did lock down just fine initially. After a few weeks turned into a month or more, yeah people got testy.\nAdditionally, a gigantic amount of people work in critical industries and simply cant stay home. Just keeping the lights and water on requires tens of millions of workers, plus industries like plants and refineries that simply cannot shut down without massive long-term consequences.\nReddit is full of office people who can WFH, the vast majority of people cant.",
">\n\nI was one of those who couldn't stay home. Right out of the gate most people gave up on almost all of it except when they were making a show of complying when they had to. There was a lot of cheating. I walk through a lot of different areas. The waves of patients and bodies we got at work tracked with that and became predictable.",
">\n\nWhat’s that saying that ends with ”…doomed to repeat it?”",
">\n\nWhy not just require a negative test from everyone?",
">\n\nWho would you expect to pay for that?",
">\n\nGovernments or sponsors from the private sector ideally, I honestly don’t give a fuck. I’ve gotten many free tests from both and I’ve also bought some for like $8.",
">\n\n“Here we go again” from everyone in the comments. \nThe virus never stopped, we did.",
">\n\nVirus will always be there. Permanent restrictions are unsustainable",
">\n\n3 years later...\nIs this permanent?",
">\n\nI doubt there's anything that would make Republicans running in 2024 happier then Democrats advocating for a return to COVID restrictions.",
">\n\nRight? It’d be like the democrats fighting for gun control, or gay and trans rights, or safe and legal abortions. It would be political suicide to stand for something that Republicans don’t like!",
">\n\nMy understanding is that everything you listed is broadly popular or has at least a majority of American's in favor of it. A return to COVID restrictions is not in that category.",
">\n\nGun control isn’t even universally loved amongst the American left, as the hard left needs them for protection from the hard right they clash with, and the middle left does like having their guns taken as much as any middle right wing does, only mid left likes it",
">\n\nGallup has 57% of Americans feeling that in general gun laws should be more strict.",
">\n\nRegular people want kids to stop dying while in school. The problem is \"stricter laws\" is vague and no one can agree on what it means or give a serious proposal that would work, short of confiscation and bans, which are wildly unpopular.",
">\n\nVague political talking points is the best we’re going to get. Much as I’d love a Ross Perot style of breaking down every platform and promise, the general public doesn’t go for it. Buzz words are all we have the attention span for.",
">\n\nChina's COVID-19 surge raises odds of new coronavirus variants\nThings could get very ugly.",
">\n\nYou say this like covid hasn't been spreading rampantly through literally every country on the planet, mostly without any measures to stop the spread. Why does China get a different treatment and maybe countries should require tests from the US or Inida or Europe?",
">\n\nI agree. US was primarily the culprit of why COVID went rampant to begin with. We actively refused to enforce any sort of safety measures, just a mild suggestion of \"maybe wear a mask, if you want to, it's ok if you don't\" and \"we have vaccines if you want one, no pressure tho\". That was really our response to the world's deadliest pandemic.",
">\n\nWe actively made fun of zero covid approaches on reddit and now based on the comments on this thread we are suddenly pro “zero covid” approaches",
">\n\nEveryone finally watched contagion",
">\n\nSo far my 2023 bingo card is reading alooot of skull and crossbones, I think I might actually win at something next year, what does your score card look like?",
">\n\nWhen’s that $1200 going to hit my account?",
">\n\nI’m still living off mine from last time!",
">\n\nI’m still looking for mine",
">\n\nI’m waiting for that $600 bucks from Biden still, but that’s going right into my retirement!",
">\n\nYou dont get he meant to include any money you already received as well /s",
">\n\nI seem to remember campaign ads with $2000 checks.",
">\n\nYep they explicitly mentioned $2,000 checks.",
">\n\nMy comment was sarcasm but in retrospect there are so many neoliberals saying that word for word in all seriousness that I should and will add a sarcasm tag",
">\n\nThat's nice and all, but let's not act like we're not just ignoring our own COVID problems.",
">\n\n\n\"You don't have zero tolerance anymore? We can't tolerate that.\"\n\n- Country with 100% tolerance",
">\n\nWhy not require a negative COVID test from everyone entering the country? It’s like they don’t want COVID to be under control.",
">\n\nI think this is because China has a relatively low vaccination rate because they relied on lock downs. Now that lock downs are being ramped down, they are having a huge surge.",
">\n\nThe vaccination rate in China is considerably higher than the US (92% vs 81%). This is just another example of yellow peril",
">\n\nThank you for pointing this out. What I said above was wrong about the vaccination rate. I don’t know why exactly China is having a surge. 🤷♂️",
">\n\nTheir vaccination rate is high but their vaccine, SinoVac is based on old tech. It conveys effectively zero protection from variants when compared to all the other types of vaccines on the market.",
">\n\nYou guys are so full of shit. At 3 doses Sinovac gives the same protection as any western vaccine with boosters to help mitigate mutated variants. Stop spreading misinfo.",
">\n\n\"Does that thumbnail of someone getting tested read too much like 'screaming uselessly into the void'?\"\n\"I'm sure it'll be fine.\"",
">\n\nMaybe, just maybe they shouldnt have stopped testing airplane passengers in the first place... \nWe have cheap, readily available tests that take 10 minutes to complete. There’s really no reason not to test ever passenger before boarding...",
">\n\nEveryone I know who had Omicron tested negative until their symptoms cleared. It was evading the RATs, for some reason.",
">\n\nI tested positive on a rapid test two days after getting congested. Every teacher coworker of mine who bothered to test after getting cold symptoms also did. I think it's why so few parents now test their kids before sending time to school sick. They don't want to know so we all find out when we or our family members then test positive, missing work on their sick kids' behalf so they didn't have to. \nI have also heard the rapid test can give false negatives but anecdotal references don't mean much.",
">\n\nA day late and a dollar short. Same old song and dance.",
">\n\nWow, it’s like history literally repeating itself.",
">\n\nIndeed it is. I hope everyone is prepared for what’s next.",
">\n\nWe should require negative COVID tests for people to fly within the US, too.\nIt makes no difference to me if the person who infects me at LAX is coming in from China, or from Texas.",
">\n\nThere is a high chance anyone that comes from China has Covid right now. Low chance that someone inside America has.",
">\n\nNaw. China’s percent is much higher, sure, but it’s not like US infection rates are low. You can pretty much guarantee an infected American on every sold out domestic flight. The latest variants are super, super contagious, and it only takes one infected person to pose a serious risk to the other people sharing their space, and then all of their families and friends after they land. All flights should still require testing and masking at this point, or all we’ve really accomplished is pacifying the dimwits and xenophobes.\nI know at least 3 people who 100% contracted COVID while flying domestically in the US this last month - because they were isolated for the incubation period beforehand. They were masked the entire time they were in the airport and on the plane.",
">\n\nIf they were masked up and I assume vaccinated and still caught the virus then preventable measures like these aren’t that effective.",
">\n\nIs there a new strain of Covid that isn't in the U.S yet, otherwise what's the point.",
">\n\nUm testing should not ever stop.",
">\n\nAh shit here we go again",
">\n\n\"Who left the fridge open?\"",
">\n\nIt's \"just a cold\" unless it's a non-white person from another country carrying it.\n/s",
">\n\nChina implemented an ineffective vaccine and had 30m+ cases in one day. It’s specifically that gov. refusing to use effective vaccines",
">\n\nAnd the United States had effective vaccines that half the country is not willing to nor willing to wear masks, while complaining to other countries like China about their travel restrictions (from China and Hong Kong). And honestly I’m not oppose to a tighter restriction on China while they are experiencing a surge in new cases just as it did with any other countries that initially loosen covid restrictions, what makes me question this being race or politically motivated is the hypocrisy; people complained about China being oppressive when it was enforcing all the covid restrictions and when they loosen it “China doesn’t care about human lives”.\nSo what exactly do you want them to do?",
">\n\n\nto Require Negative Covid Tests for Travelers From China\n\nLuckily China is well known for its systemic unwillingness to fake or counterfeit things, so everything should be fine.\nhonest.",
">\n\nSeems purely retaliatory with no actual effectiveness.\nEnforcement is over a week away and presumably China has hit its peak already (flights being 40% positive)",
">\n\nThe rich rats are going to buy fake tests and jump ship breaking quarantine just like they did in the first wave. Cutting flights or enforcing quarantines is the only way to prevent this stuff from jumping oceans but god forbid anybody inhibit the jet setters."
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Seriously they know red states will just let them in and will never do another shut down again. So start dealt with out break countries this way to slow it down or corner it. But I see very very bad days ahead for China and Russia is starting to report out breaks too.
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"People from China will travel through Europe and come in to America from the east coast like they did when the pandemic started. This will do nothing if all travelers aboard aren’t made to test.",
">\n\nLet's hope EU and other countries do the same.",
">\n\nI don't know if they will. Australia (for example) had some of the toughest Covid policies and they've essentially just thrown them all out the window.\nSo I don't know how willing countries are to go back to being overly concerned about Covid.",
">\n\nThey should be concerned w chinese, it's spreading like wildfire in china. If we aren't careful, they will come out w covid 20.",
">\n\nIt’s spreading everywhere including the USA. This policy has nothing to do with science or medicine. It’s just politics.",
">\n\nNo. It’s circulating like mad in a population of 1 billion people who haven’t been exposed before. This is how new variants come about. Every country should require negative Covid test for china at least until it cycles through the population",
">\n\n\nNo. It’s circulating like mad in a population of 1 billion people who haven’t been exposed before.\n\nIt's also spreading like mad in all the countries of the world including the USA.\n\nThis is how new variants come about. \n\nAnd they have been for years now.\n\nEvery country should require negative Covid test for china at least until it cycles through the population\n\nOnly for political reasons. There is no scientific or rational demand for this. \nI get it, you hate china, most americans hate china so just be honest and say what you really mean.",
">\n\nStrains are spreading in the west yes, but there are new strains in China that are spreading and we don't know if our vaccines will work with those strains. We know the Chinese vaccines have a low efficacy rate and we know they are not mRNA vaccines which allow for easier adaptation to new strains. Making travelers with a Chinese passport take Covid tests at any and all airports is not racist or even unfair - a reminder that China has been relatively hard to travel to for the last 2 years because they were locked down to foreign travel as well. This is simply good policy from a public health measure, and you not wanting to see that for what it is and instead attribute it to a nascent American hatred for China is laughable. the World Health Organization estimated close to 800 million new cases in China in the next few months, with another estimate 4 million deaths and countless new strains coming out during that period. This is about protection populations, not punishing China.",
">\n\n\nStrains are spreading in the west yes, but there are new strains in China that are spreading and we don't know if our vaccines will work with those strains.\n\nYou don't know if vaccines work against any new variant even if that variant is from a country populated with white people.\n\nWe know the Chinese vaccines have a low efficacy rate and we know they are not mRNA vaccines which allow for easier adaptation to new strains. \n\nThe vaccine doesn't adapt once inside of your body you know that right?\n\nMaking travelers with a Chinese passport take Covid tests at any and all airports is not racist or even unfair \n\nit's definitely unfair and probably racist as well.\n\nhis is simply good policy from a public health measure, a\n\nA good policy would be to require vaccinations from everybody. Think about it, you are requiring a vaccine that you said doesn't even work. How much sense does that make?\n\nattribute it to a nascent American hatred for China is laughable.\n\nNascent?\n\nThis is about protection populations, not punishing China.\n\nIt's definitely about punishing china, it's a part of the current cold war with China conducted by the USA.",
">\n\n\nYou don't know if vaccines work against any new variant even if that variant is from a country populated with white people.\n\nAll the more reason to not invite more new strains into the country. White population or otherwise has nothing to do with it, expected rise in cases in China does.\n\nThe vaccine doesn't adapt once inside of your body you know that right?\n\nYou missed the point. The point i was making was that the Chinese medical system has not even approached Covid with an mRNA vaccine, and steadfastly refused to license western vaccines. If the vaccine most readily available in China has a 50% efficacy then the population is at more risk of contracting the virus and having negative results. The infection rates are increased with each new case of BA.7 (China is currently seeing each covid patient infecting on average 18 other people represented as 1:18, whereas the in US the rate is 1:3.9). Each of these factors increases the risk of developing new strains that are vaccine resistant. \n\nit's definitely unfair and probably racist as well\n\nIs it your position that nations cannot take any prescriptive action to prevent the spread of infected persons from other countries? Again i would remind you that China has basically been locked down for the last 2 years, with severe limitations to personal freedoms themselves. This is not based on race, but rather a government's inability to contain a contagious outbreak in their own country and not wanting it to spread. \n\nA good policy would be to require vaccinations from everybody. Think about it, you are requiring a vaccine that you said doesn't even work. How much sense does that make?\n\nThat might be your definition on good policy, but it isn't mine and that isn't how the west does it. \"I\" am not requiring a vaccine that \"I\" said doesn't work - that was your suggestion not mine. Also, i said the efficacy of the Chinese vaccine is 50% - based on available information - i never said it didn't work, and i never said that it should be mandatory or required.\n\nNascent?\n\nPoor and wrong word choice on my part it seems. What i meant was ascribing the US decision to require testing of Chinese travelers to racism because you believe that the US is racist is laughable. Taking a test to prove that you are covid negative is far less onerous on a traveler than most visa requirements.\n\nIt's definitely about punishing china, it's a part of the current cold war with China conducted by the USA.\n\nCite your sources. I could point to many Chinese government policies that i could say are part of the current cold war with the US without backing it up and it would be just as credible as what you said. Opinion is not a source, and not proof. You assume that the US government is racist, that this policy is racist and yet we have had travel bans imposed on other countries, as well as testing required for travelers from other countries imposed before, and other policies and so has China. For goodness sake China has been closed to foreigners for almost 3 years, and is still closed to foreign travel until January 2023. Is that a racist policy as well?",
">\n\nHere we go again.\nThis time I think I'll learn French cooking.",
">\n\n5000 People a day will have to die before Anybody says the word Lock down in the States ever again.",
">\n\nDon’t understand why people can’t handle staying at home for two weeks when it could potentially eradicate a deadly virus. Are we that weak?",
">\n\nWe did that in large part in March 2020. And did China not spend years locking down their citizens? \nPeoples savings are gone. They need to work. \nWearing a mask would do a lot to help the issue but people aren’t willing to do that anymore.",
">\n\nWe didn't do that though. We didn't all lock down when we were supposed to. Where I work I had to go in from the very start all the way through. Most people, the majority of people, didn't stay home even if they didn't have work. Most people didn't fuck with masks or keeping a distance, and even people who weren't antivaccers didn't take the vaccine seriously for the longest time. \nWe had no fucking lock down, unless you were a well-off celebrity or comedian who wanted to talk about being locked down for content. \nIf people legit locked down, they would have taken a small hit financially, but too many people didn't do shit and prolonged everything.",
">\n\nThe things is that it doesn't take long to drain peoples saving - becuase the overwhelming majority of people have practically none. \nSo an extended lockdown was never feasible unless the government was willing to pay several trillion dollars of expenses, not just 2 or 3 times but several times over.",
">\n\nI didn't dispute any of what you said. I pointed out that most people actively contested any safety measure and most people didn't actually lock down. Any extension will almost certainly be the fault of most of those people. \nI'd gladly let them all die if it meant the few people who did take things seriously didn't have to live through a Walking Dead scenario or have to take a huge financial hit because them.",
">\n\nMost people did lock down just fine initially. After a few weeks turned into a month or more, yeah people got testy.\nAdditionally, a gigantic amount of people work in critical industries and simply cant stay home. Just keeping the lights and water on requires tens of millions of workers, plus industries like plants and refineries that simply cannot shut down without massive long-term consequences.\nReddit is full of office people who can WFH, the vast majority of people cant.",
">\n\nI was one of those who couldn't stay home. Right out of the gate most people gave up on almost all of it except when they were making a show of complying when they had to. There was a lot of cheating. I walk through a lot of different areas. The waves of patients and bodies we got at work tracked with that and became predictable.",
">\n\nWhat’s that saying that ends with ”…doomed to repeat it?”",
">\n\nWhy not just require a negative test from everyone?",
">\n\nWho would you expect to pay for that?",
">\n\nGovernments or sponsors from the private sector ideally, I honestly don’t give a fuck. I’ve gotten many free tests from both and I’ve also bought some for like $8.",
">\n\n“Here we go again” from everyone in the comments. \nThe virus never stopped, we did.",
">\n\nVirus will always be there. Permanent restrictions are unsustainable",
">\n\n3 years later...\nIs this permanent?",
">\n\nI doubt there's anything that would make Republicans running in 2024 happier then Democrats advocating for a return to COVID restrictions.",
">\n\nRight? It’d be like the democrats fighting for gun control, or gay and trans rights, or safe and legal abortions. It would be political suicide to stand for something that Republicans don’t like!",
">\n\nMy understanding is that everything you listed is broadly popular or has at least a majority of American's in favor of it. A return to COVID restrictions is not in that category.",
">\n\nGun control isn’t even universally loved amongst the American left, as the hard left needs them for protection from the hard right they clash with, and the middle left does like having their guns taken as much as any middle right wing does, only mid left likes it",
">\n\nGallup has 57% of Americans feeling that in general gun laws should be more strict.",
">\n\nRegular people want kids to stop dying while in school. The problem is \"stricter laws\" is vague and no one can agree on what it means or give a serious proposal that would work, short of confiscation and bans, which are wildly unpopular.",
">\n\nVague political talking points is the best we’re going to get. Much as I’d love a Ross Perot style of breaking down every platform and promise, the general public doesn’t go for it. Buzz words are all we have the attention span for.",
">\n\nChina's COVID-19 surge raises odds of new coronavirus variants\nThings could get very ugly.",
">\n\nYou say this like covid hasn't been spreading rampantly through literally every country on the planet, mostly without any measures to stop the spread. Why does China get a different treatment and maybe countries should require tests from the US or Inida or Europe?",
">\n\nI agree. US was primarily the culprit of why COVID went rampant to begin with. We actively refused to enforce any sort of safety measures, just a mild suggestion of \"maybe wear a mask, if you want to, it's ok if you don't\" and \"we have vaccines if you want one, no pressure tho\". That was really our response to the world's deadliest pandemic.",
">\n\nWe actively made fun of zero covid approaches on reddit and now based on the comments on this thread we are suddenly pro “zero covid” approaches",
">\n\nEveryone finally watched contagion",
">\n\nSo far my 2023 bingo card is reading alooot of skull and crossbones, I think I might actually win at something next year, what does your score card look like?",
">\n\nWhen’s that $1200 going to hit my account?",
">\n\nI’m still living off mine from last time!",
">\n\nI’m still looking for mine",
">\n\nI’m waiting for that $600 bucks from Biden still, but that’s going right into my retirement!",
">\n\nYou dont get he meant to include any money you already received as well /s",
">\n\nI seem to remember campaign ads with $2000 checks.",
">\n\nYep they explicitly mentioned $2,000 checks.",
">\n\nMy comment was sarcasm but in retrospect there are so many neoliberals saying that word for word in all seriousness that I should and will add a sarcasm tag",
">\n\nThat's nice and all, but let's not act like we're not just ignoring our own COVID problems.",
">\n\n\n\"You don't have zero tolerance anymore? We can't tolerate that.\"\n\n- Country with 100% tolerance",
">\n\nWhy not require a negative COVID test from everyone entering the country? It’s like they don’t want COVID to be under control.",
">\n\nI think this is because China has a relatively low vaccination rate because they relied on lock downs. Now that lock downs are being ramped down, they are having a huge surge.",
">\n\nThe vaccination rate in China is considerably higher than the US (92% vs 81%). This is just another example of yellow peril",
">\n\nThank you for pointing this out. What I said above was wrong about the vaccination rate. I don’t know why exactly China is having a surge. 🤷♂️",
">\n\nTheir vaccination rate is high but their vaccine, SinoVac is based on old tech. It conveys effectively zero protection from variants when compared to all the other types of vaccines on the market.",
">\n\nYou guys are so full of shit. At 3 doses Sinovac gives the same protection as any western vaccine with boosters to help mitigate mutated variants. Stop spreading misinfo.",
">\n\n\"Does that thumbnail of someone getting tested read too much like 'screaming uselessly into the void'?\"\n\"I'm sure it'll be fine.\"",
">\n\nMaybe, just maybe they shouldnt have stopped testing airplane passengers in the first place... \nWe have cheap, readily available tests that take 10 minutes to complete. There’s really no reason not to test ever passenger before boarding...",
">\n\nEveryone I know who had Omicron tested negative until their symptoms cleared. It was evading the RATs, for some reason.",
">\n\nI tested positive on a rapid test two days after getting congested. Every teacher coworker of mine who bothered to test after getting cold symptoms also did. I think it's why so few parents now test their kids before sending time to school sick. They don't want to know so we all find out when we or our family members then test positive, missing work on their sick kids' behalf so they didn't have to. \nI have also heard the rapid test can give false negatives but anecdotal references don't mean much.",
">\n\nA day late and a dollar short. Same old song and dance.",
">\n\nWow, it’s like history literally repeating itself.",
">\n\nIndeed it is. I hope everyone is prepared for what’s next.",
">\n\nWe should require negative COVID tests for people to fly within the US, too.\nIt makes no difference to me if the person who infects me at LAX is coming in from China, or from Texas.",
">\n\nThere is a high chance anyone that comes from China has Covid right now. Low chance that someone inside America has.",
">\n\nNaw. China’s percent is much higher, sure, but it’s not like US infection rates are low. You can pretty much guarantee an infected American on every sold out domestic flight. The latest variants are super, super contagious, and it only takes one infected person to pose a serious risk to the other people sharing their space, and then all of their families and friends after they land. All flights should still require testing and masking at this point, or all we’ve really accomplished is pacifying the dimwits and xenophobes.\nI know at least 3 people who 100% contracted COVID while flying domestically in the US this last month - because they were isolated for the incubation period beforehand. They were masked the entire time they were in the airport and on the plane.",
">\n\nIf they were masked up and I assume vaccinated and still caught the virus then preventable measures like these aren’t that effective.",
">\n\nIs there a new strain of Covid that isn't in the U.S yet, otherwise what's the point.",
">\n\nUm testing should not ever stop.",
">\n\nAh shit here we go again",
">\n\n\"Who left the fridge open?\"",
">\n\nIt's \"just a cold\" unless it's a non-white person from another country carrying it.\n/s",
">\n\nChina implemented an ineffective vaccine and had 30m+ cases in one day. It’s specifically that gov. refusing to use effective vaccines",
">\n\nAnd the United States had effective vaccines that half the country is not willing to nor willing to wear masks, while complaining to other countries like China about their travel restrictions (from China and Hong Kong). And honestly I’m not oppose to a tighter restriction on China while they are experiencing a surge in new cases just as it did with any other countries that initially loosen covid restrictions, what makes me question this being race or politically motivated is the hypocrisy; people complained about China being oppressive when it was enforcing all the covid restrictions and when they loosen it “China doesn’t care about human lives”.\nSo what exactly do you want them to do?",
">\n\n\nto Require Negative Covid Tests for Travelers From China\n\nLuckily China is well known for its systemic unwillingness to fake or counterfeit things, so everything should be fine.\nhonest.",
">\n\nSeems purely retaliatory with no actual effectiveness.\nEnforcement is over a week away and presumably China has hit its peak already (flights being 40% positive)",
">\n\nThe rich rats are going to buy fake tests and jump ship breaking quarantine just like they did in the first wave. Cutting flights or enforcing quarantines is the only way to prevent this stuff from jumping oceans but god forbid anybody inhibit the jet setters.",
">\n\nHALF of the passengers on a plane from China going to Italy tested positive the other day (tested on arrival). Chances are most if not all of them had negative test results they could show that they took before they left. This won't do anything to stop people coming into the US while positive..we are going to have to go through this all over again and we won't have the same somewhat cooperative response in the US this time if it is a variant that evades immunity... It will get REALLY bad."
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"People from China will travel through Europe and come in to America from the east coast like they did when the pandemic started. This will do nothing if all travelers aboard aren’t made to test.",
">\n\nLet's hope EU and other countries do the same.",
">\n\nI don't know if they will. Australia (for example) had some of the toughest Covid policies and they've essentially just thrown them all out the window.\nSo I don't know how willing countries are to go back to being overly concerned about Covid.",
">\n\nThey should be concerned w chinese, it's spreading like wildfire in china. If we aren't careful, they will come out w covid 20.",
">\n\nIt’s spreading everywhere including the USA. This policy has nothing to do with science or medicine. It’s just politics.",
">\n\nNo. It’s circulating like mad in a population of 1 billion people who haven’t been exposed before. This is how new variants come about. Every country should require negative Covid test for china at least until it cycles through the population",
">\n\n\nNo. It’s circulating like mad in a population of 1 billion people who haven’t been exposed before.\n\nIt's also spreading like mad in all the countries of the world including the USA.\n\nThis is how new variants come about. \n\nAnd they have been for years now.\n\nEvery country should require negative Covid test for china at least until it cycles through the population\n\nOnly for political reasons. There is no scientific or rational demand for this. \nI get it, you hate china, most americans hate china so just be honest and say what you really mean.",
">\n\nStrains are spreading in the west yes, but there are new strains in China that are spreading and we don't know if our vaccines will work with those strains. We know the Chinese vaccines have a low efficacy rate and we know they are not mRNA vaccines which allow for easier adaptation to new strains. Making travelers with a Chinese passport take Covid tests at any and all airports is not racist or even unfair - a reminder that China has been relatively hard to travel to for the last 2 years because they were locked down to foreign travel as well. This is simply good policy from a public health measure, and you not wanting to see that for what it is and instead attribute it to a nascent American hatred for China is laughable. the World Health Organization estimated close to 800 million new cases in China in the next few months, with another estimate 4 million deaths and countless new strains coming out during that period. This is about protection populations, not punishing China.",
">\n\n\nStrains are spreading in the west yes, but there are new strains in China that are spreading and we don't know if our vaccines will work with those strains.\n\nYou don't know if vaccines work against any new variant even if that variant is from a country populated with white people.\n\nWe know the Chinese vaccines have a low efficacy rate and we know they are not mRNA vaccines which allow for easier adaptation to new strains. \n\nThe vaccine doesn't adapt once inside of your body you know that right?\n\nMaking travelers with a Chinese passport take Covid tests at any and all airports is not racist or even unfair \n\nit's definitely unfair and probably racist as well.\n\nhis is simply good policy from a public health measure, a\n\nA good policy would be to require vaccinations from everybody. Think about it, you are requiring a vaccine that you said doesn't even work. How much sense does that make?\n\nattribute it to a nascent American hatred for China is laughable.\n\nNascent?\n\nThis is about protection populations, not punishing China.\n\nIt's definitely about punishing china, it's a part of the current cold war with China conducted by the USA.",
">\n\n\nYou don't know if vaccines work against any new variant even if that variant is from a country populated with white people.\n\nAll the more reason to not invite more new strains into the country. White population or otherwise has nothing to do with it, expected rise in cases in China does.\n\nThe vaccine doesn't adapt once inside of your body you know that right?\n\nYou missed the point. The point i was making was that the Chinese medical system has not even approached Covid with an mRNA vaccine, and steadfastly refused to license western vaccines. If the vaccine most readily available in China has a 50% efficacy then the population is at more risk of contracting the virus and having negative results. The infection rates are increased with each new case of BA.7 (China is currently seeing each covid patient infecting on average 18 other people represented as 1:18, whereas the in US the rate is 1:3.9). Each of these factors increases the risk of developing new strains that are vaccine resistant. \n\nit's definitely unfair and probably racist as well\n\nIs it your position that nations cannot take any prescriptive action to prevent the spread of infected persons from other countries? Again i would remind you that China has basically been locked down for the last 2 years, with severe limitations to personal freedoms themselves. This is not based on race, but rather a government's inability to contain a contagious outbreak in their own country and not wanting it to spread. \n\nA good policy would be to require vaccinations from everybody. Think about it, you are requiring a vaccine that you said doesn't even work. How much sense does that make?\n\nThat might be your definition on good policy, but it isn't mine and that isn't how the west does it. \"I\" am not requiring a vaccine that \"I\" said doesn't work - that was your suggestion not mine. Also, i said the efficacy of the Chinese vaccine is 50% - based on available information - i never said it didn't work, and i never said that it should be mandatory or required.\n\nNascent?\n\nPoor and wrong word choice on my part it seems. What i meant was ascribing the US decision to require testing of Chinese travelers to racism because you believe that the US is racist is laughable. Taking a test to prove that you are covid negative is far less onerous on a traveler than most visa requirements.\n\nIt's definitely about punishing china, it's a part of the current cold war with China conducted by the USA.\n\nCite your sources. I could point to many Chinese government policies that i could say are part of the current cold war with the US without backing it up and it would be just as credible as what you said. Opinion is not a source, and not proof. You assume that the US government is racist, that this policy is racist and yet we have had travel bans imposed on other countries, as well as testing required for travelers from other countries imposed before, and other policies and so has China. For goodness sake China has been closed to foreigners for almost 3 years, and is still closed to foreign travel until January 2023. Is that a racist policy as well?",
">\n\nHere we go again.\nThis time I think I'll learn French cooking.",
">\n\n5000 People a day will have to die before Anybody says the word Lock down in the States ever again.",
">\n\nDon’t understand why people can’t handle staying at home for two weeks when it could potentially eradicate a deadly virus. Are we that weak?",
">\n\nWe did that in large part in March 2020. And did China not spend years locking down their citizens? \nPeoples savings are gone. They need to work. \nWearing a mask would do a lot to help the issue but people aren’t willing to do that anymore.",
">\n\nWe didn't do that though. We didn't all lock down when we were supposed to. Where I work I had to go in from the very start all the way through. Most people, the majority of people, didn't stay home even if they didn't have work. Most people didn't fuck with masks or keeping a distance, and even people who weren't antivaccers didn't take the vaccine seriously for the longest time. \nWe had no fucking lock down, unless you were a well-off celebrity or comedian who wanted to talk about being locked down for content. \nIf people legit locked down, they would have taken a small hit financially, but too many people didn't do shit and prolonged everything.",
">\n\nThe things is that it doesn't take long to drain peoples saving - becuase the overwhelming majority of people have practically none. \nSo an extended lockdown was never feasible unless the government was willing to pay several trillion dollars of expenses, not just 2 or 3 times but several times over.",
">\n\nI didn't dispute any of what you said. I pointed out that most people actively contested any safety measure and most people didn't actually lock down. Any extension will almost certainly be the fault of most of those people. \nI'd gladly let them all die if it meant the few people who did take things seriously didn't have to live through a Walking Dead scenario or have to take a huge financial hit because them.",
">\n\nMost people did lock down just fine initially. After a few weeks turned into a month or more, yeah people got testy.\nAdditionally, a gigantic amount of people work in critical industries and simply cant stay home. Just keeping the lights and water on requires tens of millions of workers, plus industries like plants and refineries that simply cannot shut down without massive long-term consequences.\nReddit is full of office people who can WFH, the vast majority of people cant.",
">\n\nI was one of those who couldn't stay home. Right out of the gate most people gave up on almost all of it except when they were making a show of complying when they had to. There was a lot of cheating. I walk through a lot of different areas. The waves of patients and bodies we got at work tracked with that and became predictable.",
">\n\nWhat’s that saying that ends with ”…doomed to repeat it?”",
">\n\nWhy not just require a negative test from everyone?",
">\n\nWho would you expect to pay for that?",
">\n\nGovernments or sponsors from the private sector ideally, I honestly don’t give a fuck. I’ve gotten many free tests from both and I’ve also bought some for like $8.",
">\n\n“Here we go again” from everyone in the comments. \nThe virus never stopped, we did.",
">\n\nVirus will always be there. Permanent restrictions are unsustainable",
">\n\n3 years later...\nIs this permanent?",
">\n\nI doubt there's anything that would make Republicans running in 2024 happier then Democrats advocating for a return to COVID restrictions.",
">\n\nRight? It’d be like the democrats fighting for gun control, or gay and trans rights, or safe and legal abortions. It would be political suicide to stand for something that Republicans don’t like!",
">\n\nMy understanding is that everything you listed is broadly popular or has at least a majority of American's in favor of it. A return to COVID restrictions is not in that category.",
">\n\nGun control isn’t even universally loved amongst the American left, as the hard left needs them for protection from the hard right they clash with, and the middle left does like having their guns taken as much as any middle right wing does, only mid left likes it",
">\n\nGallup has 57% of Americans feeling that in general gun laws should be more strict.",
">\n\nRegular people want kids to stop dying while in school. The problem is \"stricter laws\" is vague and no one can agree on what it means or give a serious proposal that would work, short of confiscation and bans, which are wildly unpopular.",
">\n\nVague political talking points is the best we’re going to get. Much as I’d love a Ross Perot style of breaking down every platform and promise, the general public doesn’t go for it. Buzz words are all we have the attention span for.",
">\n\nChina's COVID-19 surge raises odds of new coronavirus variants\nThings could get very ugly.",
">\n\nYou say this like covid hasn't been spreading rampantly through literally every country on the planet, mostly without any measures to stop the spread. Why does China get a different treatment and maybe countries should require tests from the US or Inida or Europe?",
">\n\nI agree. US was primarily the culprit of why COVID went rampant to begin with. We actively refused to enforce any sort of safety measures, just a mild suggestion of \"maybe wear a mask, if you want to, it's ok if you don't\" and \"we have vaccines if you want one, no pressure tho\". That was really our response to the world's deadliest pandemic.",
">\n\nWe actively made fun of zero covid approaches on reddit and now based on the comments on this thread we are suddenly pro “zero covid” approaches",
">\n\nEveryone finally watched contagion",
">\n\nSo far my 2023 bingo card is reading alooot of skull and crossbones, I think I might actually win at something next year, what does your score card look like?",
">\n\nWhen’s that $1200 going to hit my account?",
">\n\nI’m still living off mine from last time!",
">\n\nI’m still looking for mine",
">\n\nI’m waiting for that $600 bucks from Biden still, but that’s going right into my retirement!",
">\n\nYou dont get he meant to include any money you already received as well /s",
">\n\nI seem to remember campaign ads with $2000 checks.",
">\n\nYep they explicitly mentioned $2,000 checks.",
">\n\nMy comment was sarcasm but in retrospect there are so many neoliberals saying that word for word in all seriousness that I should and will add a sarcasm tag",
">\n\nThat's nice and all, but let's not act like we're not just ignoring our own COVID problems.",
">\n\n\n\"You don't have zero tolerance anymore? We can't tolerate that.\"\n\n- Country with 100% tolerance",
">\n\nWhy not require a negative COVID test from everyone entering the country? It’s like they don’t want COVID to be under control.",
">\n\nI think this is because China has a relatively low vaccination rate because they relied on lock downs. Now that lock downs are being ramped down, they are having a huge surge.",
">\n\nThe vaccination rate in China is considerably higher than the US (92% vs 81%). This is just another example of yellow peril",
">\n\nThank you for pointing this out. What I said above was wrong about the vaccination rate. I don’t know why exactly China is having a surge. 🤷♂️",
">\n\nTheir vaccination rate is high but their vaccine, SinoVac is based on old tech. It conveys effectively zero protection from variants when compared to all the other types of vaccines on the market.",
">\n\nYou guys are so full of shit. At 3 doses Sinovac gives the same protection as any western vaccine with boosters to help mitigate mutated variants. Stop spreading misinfo.",
">\n\n\"Does that thumbnail of someone getting tested read too much like 'screaming uselessly into the void'?\"\n\"I'm sure it'll be fine.\"",
">\n\nMaybe, just maybe they shouldnt have stopped testing airplane passengers in the first place... \nWe have cheap, readily available tests that take 10 minutes to complete. There’s really no reason not to test ever passenger before boarding...",
">\n\nEveryone I know who had Omicron tested negative until their symptoms cleared. It was evading the RATs, for some reason.",
">\n\nI tested positive on a rapid test two days after getting congested. Every teacher coworker of mine who bothered to test after getting cold symptoms also did. I think it's why so few parents now test their kids before sending time to school sick. They don't want to know so we all find out when we or our family members then test positive, missing work on their sick kids' behalf so they didn't have to. \nI have also heard the rapid test can give false negatives but anecdotal references don't mean much.",
">\n\nA day late and a dollar short. Same old song and dance.",
">\n\nWow, it’s like history literally repeating itself.",
">\n\nIndeed it is. I hope everyone is prepared for what’s next.",
">\n\nWe should require negative COVID tests for people to fly within the US, too.\nIt makes no difference to me if the person who infects me at LAX is coming in from China, or from Texas.",
">\n\nThere is a high chance anyone that comes from China has Covid right now. Low chance that someone inside America has.",
">\n\nNaw. China’s percent is much higher, sure, but it’s not like US infection rates are low. You can pretty much guarantee an infected American on every sold out domestic flight. The latest variants are super, super contagious, and it only takes one infected person to pose a serious risk to the other people sharing their space, and then all of their families and friends after they land. All flights should still require testing and masking at this point, or all we’ve really accomplished is pacifying the dimwits and xenophobes.\nI know at least 3 people who 100% contracted COVID while flying domestically in the US this last month - because they were isolated for the incubation period beforehand. They were masked the entire time they were in the airport and on the plane.",
">\n\nIf they were masked up and I assume vaccinated and still caught the virus then preventable measures like these aren’t that effective.",
">\n\nIs there a new strain of Covid that isn't in the U.S yet, otherwise what's the point.",
">\n\nUm testing should not ever stop.",
">\n\nAh shit here we go again",
">\n\n\"Who left the fridge open?\"",
">\n\nIt's \"just a cold\" unless it's a non-white person from another country carrying it.\n/s",
">\n\nChina implemented an ineffective vaccine and had 30m+ cases in one day. It’s specifically that gov. refusing to use effective vaccines",
">\n\nAnd the United States had effective vaccines that half the country is not willing to nor willing to wear masks, while complaining to other countries like China about their travel restrictions (from China and Hong Kong). And honestly I’m not oppose to a tighter restriction on China while they are experiencing a surge in new cases just as it did with any other countries that initially loosen covid restrictions, what makes me question this being race or politically motivated is the hypocrisy; people complained about China being oppressive when it was enforcing all the covid restrictions and when they loosen it “China doesn’t care about human lives”.\nSo what exactly do you want them to do?",
">\n\n\nto Require Negative Covid Tests for Travelers From China\n\nLuckily China is well known for its systemic unwillingness to fake or counterfeit things, so everything should be fine.\nhonest.",
">\n\nSeems purely retaliatory with no actual effectiveness.\nEnforcement is over a week away and presumably China has hit its peak already (flights being 40% positive)",
">\n\nThe rich rats are going to buy fake tests and jump ship breaking quarantine just like they did in the first wave. Cutting flights or enforcing quarantines is the only way to prevent this stuff from jumping oceans but god forbid anybody inhibit the jet setters.",
">\n\nHALF of the passengers on a plane from China going to Italy tested positive the other day (tested on arrival). Chances are most if not all of them had negative test results they could show that they took before they left. This won't do anything to stop people coming into the US while positive..we are going to have to go through this all over again and we won't have the same somewhat cooperative response in the US this time if it is a variant that evades immunity... It will get REALLY bad.",
">\n\nSeriously they know red states will just let them in and will never do another shut down again. So start dealt with out break countries this way to slow it down or corner it. But I see very very bad days ahead for China and Russia is starting to report out breaks too."
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We already require this from canada iirc
Edit: i was wrong, canada requires it from us.
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"People from China will travel through Europe and come in to America from the east coast like they did when the pandemic started. This will do nothing if all travelers aboard aren’t made to test.",
">\n\nLet's hope EU and other countries do the same.",
">\n\nI don't know if they will. Australia (for example) had some of the toughest Covid policies and they've essentially just thrown them all out the window.\nSo I don't know how willing countries are to go back to being overly concerned about Covid.",
">\n\nThey should be concerned w chinese, it's spreading like wildfire in china. If we aren't careful, they will come out w covid 20.",
">\n\nIt’s spreading everywhere including the USA. This policy has nothing to do with science or medicine. It’s just politics.",
">\n\nNo. It’s circulating like mad in a population of 1 billion people who haven’t been exposed before. This is how new variants come about. Every country should require negative Covid test for china at least until it cycles through the population",
">\n\n\nNo. It’s circulating like mad in a population of 1 billion people who haven’t been exposed before.\n\nIt's also spreading like mad in all the countries of the world including the USA.\n\nThis is how new variants come about. \n\nAnd they have been for years now.\n\nEvery country should require negative Covid test for china at least until it cycles through the population\n\nOnly for political reasons. There is no scientific or rational demand for this. \nI get it, you hate china, most americans hate china so just be honest and say what you really mean.",
">\n\nStrains are spreading in the west yes, but there are new strains in China that are spreading and we don't know if our vaccines will work with those strains. We know the Chinese vaccines have a low efficacy rate and we know they are not mRNA vaccines which allow for easier adaptation to new strains. Making travelers with a Chinese passport take Covid tests at any and all airports is not racist or even unfair - a reminder that China has been relatively hard to travel to for the last 2 years because they were locked down to foreign travel as well. This is simply good policy from a public health measure, and you not wanting to see that for what it is and instead attribute it to a nascent American hatred for China is laughable. the World Health Organization estimated close to 800 million new cases in China in the next few months, with another estimate 4 million deaths and countless new strains coming out during that period. This is about protection populations, not punishing China.",
">\n\n\nStrains are spreading in the west yes, but there are new strains in China that are spreading and we don't know if our vaccines will work with those strains.\n\nYou don't know if vaccines work against any new variant even if that variant is from a country populated with white people.\n\nWe know the Chinese vaccines have a low efficacy rate and we know they are not mRNA vaccines which allow for easier adaptation to new strains. \n\nThe vaccine doesn't adapt once inside of your body you know that right?\n\nMaking travelers with a Chinese passport take Covid tests at any and all airports is not racist or even unfair \n\nit's definitely unfair and probably racist as well.\n\nhis is simply good policy from a public health measure, a\n\nA good policy would be to require vaccinations from everybody. Think about it, you are requiring a vaccine that you said doesn't even work. How much sense does that make?\n\nattribute it to a nascent American hatred for China is laughable.\n\nNascent?\n\nThis is about protection populations, not punishing China.\n\nIt's definitely about punishing china, it's a part of the current cold war with China conducted by the USA.",
">\n\n\nYou don't know if vaccines work against any new variant even if that variant is from a country populated with white people.\n\nAll the more reason to not invite more new strains into the country. White population or otherwise has nothing to do with it, expected rise in cases in China does.\n\nThe vaccine doesn't adapt once inside of your body you know that right?\n\nYou missed the point. The point i was making was that the Chinese medical system has not even approached Covid with an mRNA vaccine, and steadfastly refused to license western vaccines. If the vaccine most readily available in China has a 50% efficacy then the population is at more risk of contracting the virus and having negative results. The infection rates are increased with each new case of BA.7 (China is currently seeing each covid patient infecting on average 18 other people represented as 1:18, whereas the in US the rate is 1:3.9). Each of these factors increases the risk of developing new strains that are vaccine resistant. \n\nit's definitely unfair and probably racist as well\n\nIs it your position that nations cannot take any prescriptive action to prevent the spread of infected persons from other countries? Again i would remind you that China has basically been locked down for the last 2 years, with severe limitations to personal freedoms themselves. This is not based on race, but rather a government's inability to contain a contagious outbreak in their own country and not wanting it to spread. \n\nA good policy would be to require vaccinations from everybody. Think about it, you are requiring a vaccine that you said doesn't even work. How much sense does that make?\n\nThat might be your definition on good policy, but it isn't mine and that isn't how the west does it. \"I\" am not requiring a vaccine that \"I\" said doesn't work - that was your suggestion not mine. Also, i said the efficacy of the Chinese vaccine is 50% - based on available information - i never said it didn't work, and i never said that it should be mandatory or required.\n\nNascent?\n\nPoor and wrong word choice on my part it seems. What i meant was ascribing the US decision to require testing of Chinese travelers to racism because you believe that the US is racist is laughable. Taking a test to prove that you are covid negative is far less onerous on a traveler than most visa requirements.\n\nIt's definitely about punishing china, it's a part of the current cold war with China conducted by the USA.\n\nCite your sources. I could point to many Chinese government policies that i could say are part of the current cold war with the US without backing it up and it would be just as credible as what you said. Opinion is not a source, and not proof. You assume that the US government is racist, that this policy is racist and yet we have had travel bans imposed on other countries, as well as testing required for travelers from other countries imposed before, and other policies and so has China. For goodness sake China has been closed to foreigners for almost 3 years, and is still closed to foreign travel until January 2023. Is that a racist policy as well?",
">\n\nHere we go again.\nThis time I think I'll learn French cooking.",
">\n\n5000 People a day will have to die before Anybody says the word Lock down in the States ever again.",
">\n\nDon’t understand why people can’t handle staying at home for two weeks when it could potentially eradicate a deadly virus. Are we that weak?",
">\n\nWe did that in large part in March 2020. And did China not spend years locking down their citizens? \nPeoples savings are gone. They need to work. \nWearing a mask would do a lot to help the issue but people aren’t willing to do that anymore.",
">\n\nWe didn't do that though. We didn't all lock down when we were supposed to. Where I work I had to go in from the very start all the way through. Most people, the majority of people, didn't stay home even if they didn't have work. Most people didn't fuck with masks or keeping a distance, and even people who weren't antivaccers didn't take the vaccine seriously for the longest time. \nWe had no fucking lock down, unless you were a well-off celebrity or comedian who wanted to talk about being locked down for content. \nIf people legit locked down, they would have taken a small hit financially, but too many people didn't do shit and prolonged everything.",
">\n\nThe things is that it doesn't take long to drain peoples saving - becuase the overwhelming majority of people have practically none. \nSo an extended lockdown was never feasible unless the government was willing to pay several trillion dollars of expenses, not just 2 or 3 times but several times over.",
">\n\nI didn't dispute any of what you said. I pointed out that most people actively contested any safety measure and most people didn't actually lock down. Any extension will almost certainly be the fault of most of those people. \nI'd gladly let them all die if it meant the few people who did take things seriously didn't have to live through a Walking Dead scenario or have to take a huge financial hit because them.",
">\n\nMost people did lock down just fine initially. After a few weeks turned into a month or more, yeah people got testy.\nAdditionally, a gigantic amount of people work in critical industries and simply cant stay home. Just keeping the lights and water on requires tens of millions of workers, plus industries like plants and refineries that simply cannot shut down without massive long-term consequences.\nReddit is full of office people who can WFH, the vast majority of people cant.",
">\n\nI was one of those who couldn't stay home. Right out of the gate most people gave up on almost all of it except when they were making a show of complying when they had to. There was a lot of cheating. I walk through a lot of different areas. The waves of patients and bodies we got at work tracked with that and became predictable.",
">\n\nWhat’s that saying that ends with ”…doomed to repeat it?”",
">\n\nWhy not just require a negative test from everyone?",
">\n\nWho would you expect to pay for that?",
">\n\nGovernments or sponsors from the private sector ideally, I honestly don’t give a fuck. I’ve gotten many free tests from both and I’ve also bought some for like $8.",
">\n\n“Here we go again” from everyone in the comments. \nThe virus never stopped, we did.",
">\n\nVirus will always be there. Permanent restrictions are unsustainable",
">\n\n3 years later...\nIs this permanent?",
">\n\nI doubt there's anything that would make Republicans running in 2024 happier then Democrats advocating for a return to COVID restrictions.",
">\n\nRight? It’d be like the democrats fighting for gun control, or gay and trans rights, or safe and legal abortions. It would be political suicide to stand for something that Republicans don’t like!",
">\n\nMy understanding is that everything you listed is broadly popular or has at least a majority of American's in favor of it. A return to COVID restrictions is not in that category.",
">\n\nGun control isn’t even universally loved amongst the American left, as the hard left needs them for protection from the hard right they clash with, and the middle left does like having their guns taken as much as any middle right wing does, only mid left likes it",
">\n\nGallup has 57% of Americans feeling that in general gun laws should be more strict.",
">\n\nRegular people want kids to stop dying while in school. The problem is \"stricter laws\" is vague and no one can agree on what it means or give a serious proposal that would work, short of confiscation and bans, which are wildly unpopular.",
">\n\nVague political talking points is the best we’re going to get. Much as I’d love a Ross Perot style of breaking down every platform and promise, the general public doesn’t go for it. Buzz words are all we have the attention span for.",
">\n\nChina's COVID-19 surge raises odds of new coronavirus variants\nThings could get very ugly.",
">\n\nYou say this like covid hasn't been spreading rampantly through literally every country on the planet, mostly without any measures to stop the spread. Why does China get a different treatment and maybe countries should require tests from the US or Inida or Europe?",
">\n\nI agree. US was primarily the culprit of why COVID went rampant to begin with. We actively refused to enforce any sort of safety measures, just a mild suggestion of \"maybe wear a mask, if you want to, it's ok if you don't\" and \"we have vaccines if you want one, no pressure tho\". That was really our response to the world's deadliest pandemic.",
">\n\nWe actively made fun of zero covid approaches on reddit and now based on the comments on this thread we are suddenly pro “zero covid” approaches",
">\n\nEveryone finally watched contagion",
">\n\nSo far my 2023 bingo card is reading alooot of skull and crossbones, I think I might actually win at something next year, what does your score card look like?",
">\n\nWhen’s that $1200 going to hit my account?",
">\n\nI’m still living off mine from last time!",
">\n\nI’m still looking for mine",
">\n\nI’m waiting for that $600 bucks from Biden still, but that’s going right into my retirement!",
">\n\nYou dont get he meant to include any money you already received as well /s",
">\n\nI seem to remember campaign ads with $2000 checks.",
">\n\nYep they explicitly mentioned $2,000 checks.",
">\n\nMy comment was sarcasm but in retrospect there are so many neoliberals saying that word for word in all seriousness that I should and will add a sarcasm tag",
">\n\nThat's nice and all, but let's not act like we're not just ignoring our own COVID problems.",
">\n\n\n\"You don't have zero tolerance anymore? We can't tolerate that.\"\n\n- Country with 100% tolerance",
">\n\nWhy not require a negative COVID test from everyone entering the country? It’s like they don’t want COVID to be under control.",
">\n\nI think this is because China has a relatively low vaccination rate because they relied on lock downs. Now that lock downs are being ramped down, they are having a huge surge.",
">\n\nThe vaccination rate in China is considerably higher than the US (92% vs 81%). This is just another example of yellow peril",
">\n\nThank you for pointing this out. What I said above was wrong about the vaccination rate. I don’t know why exactly China is having a surge. 🤷♂️",
">\n\nTheir vaccination rate is high but their vaccine, SinoVac is based on old tech. It conveys effectively zero protection from variants when compared to all the other types of vaccines on the market.",
">\n\nYou guys are so full of shit. At 3 doses Sinovac gives the same protection as any western vaccine with boosters to help mitigate mutated variants. Stop spreading misinfo.",
">\n\n\"Does that thumbnail of someone getting tested read too much like 'screaming uselessly into the void'?\"\n\"I'm sure it'll be fine.\"",
">\n\nMaybe, just maybe they shouldnt have stopped testing airplane passengers in the first place... \nWe have cheap, readily available tests that take 10 minutes to complete. There’s really no reason not to test ever passenger before boarding...",
">\n\nEveryone I know who had Omicron tested negative until their symptoms cleared. It was evading the RATs, for some reason.",
">\n\nI tested positive on a rapid test two days after getting congested. Every teacher coworker of mine who bothered to test after getting cold symptoms also did. I think it's why so few parents now test their kids before sending time to school sick. They don't want to know so we all find out when we or our family members then test positive, missing work on their sick kids' behalf so they didn't have to. \nI have also heard the rapid test can give false negatives but anecdotal references don't mean much.",
">\n\nA day late and a dollar short. Same old song and dance.",
">\n\nWow, it’s like history literally repeating itself.",
">\n\nIndeed it is. I hope everyone is prepared for what’s next.",
">\n\nWe should require negative COVID tests for people to fly within the US, too.\nIt makes no difference to me if the person who infects me at LAX is coming in from China, or from Texas.",
">\n\nThere is a high chance anyone that comes from China has Covid right now. Low chance that someone inside America has.",
">\n\nNaw. China’s percent is much higher, sure, but it’s not like US infection rates are low. You can pretty much guarantee an infected American on every sold out domestic flight. The latest variants are super, super contagious, and it only takes one infected person to pose a serious risk to the other people sharing their space, and then all of their families and friends after they land. All flights should still require testing and masking at this point, or all we’ve really accomplished is pacifying the dimwits and xenophobes.\nI know at least 3 people who 100% contracted COVID while flying domestically in the US this last month - because they were isolated for the incubation period beforehand. They were masked the entire time they were in the airport and on the plane.",
">\n\nIf they were masked up and I assume vaccinated and still caught the virus then preventable measures like these aren’t that effective.",
">\n\nIs there a new strain of Covid that isn't in the U.S yet, otherwise what's the point.",
">\n\nUm testing should not ever stop.",
">\n\nAh shit here we go again",
">\n\n\"Who left the fridge open?\"",
">\n\nIt's \"just a cold\" unless it's a non-white person from another country carrying it.\n/s",
">\n\nChina implemented an ineffective vaccine and had 30m+ cases in one day. It’s specifically that gov. refusing to use effective vaccines",
">\n\nAnd the United States had effective vaccines that half the country is not willing to nor willing to wear masks, while complaining to other countries like China about their travel restrictions (from China and Hong Kong). And honestly I’m not oppose to a tighter restriction on China while they are experiencing a surge in new cases just as it did with any other countries that initially loosen covid restrictions, what makes me question this being race or politically motivated is the hypocrisy; people complained about China being oppressive when it was enforcing all the covid restrictions and when they loosen it “China doesn’t care about human lives”.\nSo what exactly do you want them to do?",
">\n\n\nto Require Negative Covid Tests for Travelers From China\n\nLuckily China is well known for its systemic unwillingness to fake or counterfeit things, so everything should be fine.\nhonest.",
">\n\nSeems purely retaliatory with no actual effectiveness.\nEnforcement is over a week away and presumably China has hit its peak already (flights being 40% positive)",
">\n\nThe rich rats are going to buy fake tests and jump ship breaking quarantine just like they did in the first wave. Cutting flights or enforcing quarantines is the only way to prevent this stuff from jumping oceans but god forbid anybody inhibit the jet setters.",
">\n\nHALF of the passengers on a plane from China going to Italy tested positive the other day (tested on arrival). Chances are most if not all of them had negative test results they could show that they took before they left. This won't do anything to stop people coming into the US while positive..we are going to have to go through this all over again and we won't have the same somewhat cooperative response in the US this time if it is a variant that evades immunity... It will get REALLY bad.",
">\n\nSeriously they know red states will just let them in and will never do another shut down again. So start dealt with out break countries this way to slow it down or corner it. But I see very very bad days ahead for China and Russia is starting to report out breaks too.",
">\n\nMust. When?"
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I hope we are talking PCR tests... those store-bought 15-minute ones struggle to get a positive if you have any sort of vaccination, even while symptomatic and miserable.
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"People from China will travel through Europe and come in to America from the east coast like they did when the pandemic started. This will do nothing if all travelers aboard aren’t made to test.",
">\n\nLet's hope EU and other countries do the same.",
">\n\nI don't know if they will. Australia (for example) had some of the toughest Covid policies and they've essentially just thrown them all out the window.\nSo I don't know how willing countries are to go back to being overly concerned about Covid.",
">\n\nThey should be concerned w chinese, it's spreading like wildfire in china. If we aren't careful, they will come out w covid 20.",
">\n\nIt’s spreading everywhere including the USA. This policy has nothing to do with science or medicine. It’s just politics.",
">\n\nNo. It’s circulating like mad in a population of 1 billion people who haven’t been exposed before. This is how new variants come about. Every country should require negative Covid test for china at least until it cycles through the population",
">\n\n\nNo. It’s circulating like mad in a population of 1 billion people who haven’t been exposed before.\n\nIt's also spreading like mad in all the countries of the world including the USA.\n\nThis is how new variants come about. \n\nAnd they have been for years now.\n\nEvery country should require negative Covid test for china at least until it cycles through the population\n\nOnly for political reasons. There is no scientific or rational demand for this. \nI get it, you hate china, most americans hate china so just be honest and say what you really mean.",
">\n\nStrains are spreading in the west yes, but there are new strains in China that are spreading and we don't know if our vaccines will work with those strains. We know the Chinese vaccines have a low efficacy rate and we know they are not mRNA vaccines which allow for easier adaptation to new strains. Making travelers with a Chinese passport take Covid tests at any and all airports is not racist or even unfair - a reminder that China has been relatively hard to travel to for the last 2 years because they were locked down to foreign travel as well. This is simply good policy from a public health measure, and you not wanting to see that for what it is and instead attribute it to a nascent American hatred for China is laughable. the World Health Organization estimated close to 800 million new cases in China in the next few months, with another estimate 4 million deaths and countless new strains coming out during that period. This is about protection populations, not punishing China.",
">\n\n\nStrains are spreading in the west yes, but there are new strains in China that are spreading and we don't know if our vaccines will work with those strains.\n\nYou don't know if vaccines work against any new variant even if that variant is from a country populated with white people.\n\nWe know the Chinese vaccines have a low efficacy rate and we know they are not mRNA vaccines which allow for easier adaptation to new strains. \n\nThe vaccine doesn't adapt once inside of your body you know that right?\n\nMaking travelers with a Chinese passport take Covid tests at any and all airports is not racist or even unfair \n\nit's definitely unfair and probably racist as well.\n\nhis is simply good policy from a public health measure, a\n\nA good policy would be to require vaccinations from everybody. Think about it, you are requiring a vaccine that you said doesn't even work. How much sense does that make?\n\nattribute it to a nascent American hatred for China is laughable.\n\nNascent?\n\nThis is about protection populations, not punishing China.\n\nIt's definitely about punishing china, it's a part of the current cold war with China conducted by the USA.",
">\n\n\nYou don't know if vaccines work against any new variant even if that variant is from a country populated with white people.\n\nAll the more reason to not invite more new strains into the country. White population or otherwise has nothing to do with it, expected rise in cases in China does.\n\nThe vaccine doesn't adapt once inside of your body you know that right?\n\nYou missed the point. The point i was making was that the Chinese medical system has not even approached Covid with an mRNA vaccine, and steadfastly refused to license western vaccines. If the vaccine most readily available in China has a 50% efficacy then the population is at more risk of contracting the virus and having negative results. The infection rates are increased with each new case of BA.7 (China is currently seeing each covid patient infecting on average 18 other people represented as 1:18, whereas the in US the rate is 1:3.9). Each of these factors increases the risk of developing new strains that are vaccine resistant. \n\nit's definitely unfair and probably racist as well\n\nIs it your position that nations cannot take any prescriptive action to prevent the spread of infected persons from other countries? Again i would remind you that China has basically been locked down for the last 2 years, with severe limitations to personal freedoms themselves. This is not based on race, but rather a government's inability to contain a contagious outbreak in their own country and not wanting it to spread. \n\nA good policy would be to require vaccinations from everybody. Think about it, you are requiring a vaccine that you said doesn't even work. How much sense does that make?\n\nThat might be your definition on good policy, but it isn't mine and that isn't how the west does it. \"I\" am not requiring a vaccine that \"I\" said doesn't work - that was your suggestion not mine. Also, i said the efficacy of the Chinese vaccine is 50% - based on available information - i never said it didn't work, and i never said that it should be mandatory or required.\n\nNascent?\n\nPoor and wrong word choice on my part it seems. What i meant was ascribing the US decision to require testing of Chinese travelers to racism because you believe that the US is racist is laughable. Taking a test to prove that you are covid negative is far less onerous on a traveler than most visa requirements.\n\nIt's definitely about punishing china, it's a part of the current cold war with China conducted by the USA.\n\nCite your sources. I could point to many Chinese government policies that i could say are part of the current cold war with the US without backing it up and it would be just as credible as what you said. Opinion is not a source, and not proof. You assume that the US government is racist, that this policy is racist and yet we have had travel bans imposed on other countries, as well as testing required for travelers from other countries imposed before, and other policies and so has China. For goodness sake China has been closed to foreigners for almost 3 years, and is still closed to foreign travel until January 2023. Is that a racist policy as well?",
">\n\nHere we go again.\nThis time I think I'll learn French cooking.",
">\n\n5000 People a day will have to die before Anybody says the word Lock down in the States ever again.",
">\n\nDon’t understand why people can’t handle staying at home for two weeks when it could potentially eradicate a deadly virus. Are we that weak?",
">\n\nWe did that in large part in March 2020. And did China not spend years locking down their citizens? \nPeoples savings are gone. They need to work. \nWearing a mask would do a lot to help the issue but people aren’t willing to do that anymore.",
">\n\nWe didn't do that though. We didn't all lock down when we were supposed to. Where I work I had to go in from the very start all the way through. Most people, the majority of people, didn't stay home even if they didn't have work. Most people didn't fuck with masks or keeping a distance, and even people who weren't antivaccers didn't take the vaccine seriously for the longest time. \nWe had no fucking lock down, unless you were a well-off celebrity or comedian who wanted to talk about being locked down for content. \nIf people legit locked down, they would have taken a small hit financially, but too many people didn't do shit and prolonged everything.",
">\n\nThe things is that it doesn't take long to drain peoples saving - becuase the overwhelming majority of people have practically none. \nSo an extended lockdown was never feasible unless the government was willing to pay several trillion dollars of expenses, not just 2 or 3 times but several times over.",
">\n\nI didn't dispute any of what you said. I pointed out that most people actively contested any safety measure and most people didn't actually lock down. Any extension will almost certainly be the fault of most of those people. \nI'd gladly let them all die if it meant the few people who did take things seriously didn't have to live through a Walking Dead scenario or have to take a huge financial hit because them.",
">\n\nMost people did lock down just fine initially. After a few weeks turned into a month or more, yeah people got testy.\nAdditionally, a gigantic amount of people work in critical industries and simply cant stay home. Just keeping the lights and water on requires tens of millions of workers, plus industries like plants and refineries that simply cannot shut down without massive long-term consequences.\nReddit is full of office people who can WFH, the vast majority of people cant.",
">\n\nI was one of those who couldn't stay home. Right out of the gate most people gave up on almost all of it except when they were making a show of complying when they had to. There was a lot of cheating. I walk through a lot of different areas. The waves of patients and bodies we got at work tracked with that and became predictable.",
">\n\nWhat’s that saying that ends with ”…doomed to repeat it?”",
">\n\nWhy not just require a negative test from everyone?",
">\n\nWho would you expect to pay for that?",
">\n\nGovernments or sponsors from the private sector ideally, I honestly don’t give a fuck. I’ve gotten many free tests from both and I’ve also bought some for like $8.",
">\n\n“Here we go again” from everyone in the comments. \nThe virus never stopped, we did.",
">\n\nVirus will always be there. Permanent restrictions are unsustainable",
">\n\n3 years later...\nIs this permanent?",
">\n\nI doubt there's anything that would make Republicans running in 2024 happier then Democrats advocating for a return to COVID restrictions.",
">\n\nRight? It’d be like the democrats fighting for gun control, or gay and trans rights, or safe and legal abortions. It would be political suicide to stand for something that Republicans don’t like!",
">\n\nMy understanding is that everything you listed is broadly popular or has at least a majority of American's in favor of it. A return to COVID restrictions is not in that category.",
">\n\nGun control isn’t even universally loved amongst the American left, as the hard left needs them for protection from the hard right they clash with, and the middle left does like having their guns taken as much as any middle right wing does, only mid left likes it",
">\n\nGallup has 57% of Americans feeling that in general gun laws should be more strict.",
">\n\nRegular people want kids to stop dying while in school. The problem is \"stricter laws\" is vague and no one can agree on what it means or give a serious proposal that would work, short of confiscation and bans, which are wildly unpopular.",
">\n\nVague political talking points is the best we’re going to get. Much as I’d love a Ross Perot style of breaking down every platform and promise, the general public doesn’t go for it. Buzz words are all we have the attention span for.",
">\n\nChina's COVID-19 surge raises odds of new coronavirus variants\nThings could get very ugly.",
">\n\nYou say this like covid hasn't been spreading rampantly through literally every country on the planet, mostly without any measures to stop the spread. Why does China get a different treatment and maybe countries should require tests from the US or Inida or Europe?",
">\n\nI agree. US was primarily the culprit of why COVID went rampant to begin with. We actively refused to enforce any sort of safety measures, just a mild suggestion of \"maybe wear a mask, if you want to, it's ok if you don't\" and \"we have vaccines if you want one, no pressure tho\". That was really our response to the world's deadliest pandemic.",
">\n\nWe actively made fun of zero covid approaches on reddit and now based on the comments on this thread we are suddenly pro “zero covid” approaches",
">\n\nEveryone finally watched contagion",
">\n\nSo far my 2023 bingo card is reading alooot of skull and crossbones, I think I might actually win at something next year, what does your score card look like?",
">\n\nWhen’s that $1200 going to hit my account?",
">\n\nI’m still living off mine from last time!",
">\n\nI’m still looking for mine",
">\n\nI’m waiting for that $600 bucks from Biden still, but that’s going right into my retirement!",
">\n\nYou dont get he meant to include any money you already received as well /s",
">\n\nI seem to remember campaign ads with $2000 checks.",
">\n\nYep they explicitly mentioned $2,000 checks.",
">\n\nMy comment was sarcasm but in retrospect there are so many neoliberals saying that word for word in all seriousness that I should and will add a sarcasm tag",
">\n\nThat's nice and all, but let's not act like we're not just ignoring our own COVID problems.",
">\n\n\n\"You don't have zero tolerance anymore? We can't tolerate that.\"\n\n- Country with 100% tolerance",
">\n\nWhy not require a negative COVID test from everyone entering the country? It’s like they don’t want COVID to be under control.",
">\n\nI think this is because China has a relatively low vaccination rate because they relied on lock downs. Now that lock downs are being ramped down, they are having a huge surge.",
">\n\nThe vaccination rate in China is considerably higher than the US (92% vs 81%). This is just another example of yellow peril",
">\n\nThank you for pointing this out. What I said above was wrong about the vaccination rate. I don’t know why exactly China is having a surge. 🤷♂️",
">\n\nTheir vaccination rate is high but their vaccine, SinoVac is based on old tech. It conveys effectively zero protection from variants when compared to all the other types of vaccines on the market.",
">\n\nYou guys are so full of shit. At 3 doses Sinovac gives the same protection as any western vaccine with boosters to help mitigate mutated variants. Stop spreading misinfo.",
">\n\n\"Does that thumbnail of someone getting tested read too much like 'screaming uselessly into the void'?\"\n\"I'm sure it'll be fine.\"",
">\n\nMaybe, just maybe they shouldnt have stopped testing airplane passengers in the first place... \nWe have cheap, readily available tests that take 10 minutes to complete. There’s really no reason not to test ever passenger before boarding...",
">\n\nEveryone I know who had Omicron tested negative until their symptoms cleared. It was evading the RATs, for some reason.",
">\n\nI tested positive on a rapid test two days after getting congested. Every teacher coworker of mine who bothered to test after getting cold symptoms also did. I think it's why so few parents now test their kids before sending time to school sick. They don't want to know so we all find out when we or our family members then test positive, missing work on their sick kids' behalf so they didn't have to. \nI have also heard the rapid test can give false negatives but anecdotal references don't mean much.",
">\n\nA day late and a dollar short. Same old song and dance.",
">\n\nWow, it’s like history literally repeating itself.",
">\n\nIndeed it is. I hope everyone is prepared for what’s next.",
">\n\nWe should require negative COVID tests for people to fly within the US, too.\nIt makes no difference to me if the person who infects me at LAX is coming in from China, or from Texas.",
">\n\nThere is a high chance anyone that comes from China has Covid right now. Low chance that someone inside America has.",
">\n\nNaw. China’s percent is much higher, sure, but it’s not like US infection rates are low. You can pretty much guarantee an infected American on every sold out domestic flight. The latest variants are super, super contagious, and it only takes one infected person to pose a serious risk to the other people sharing their space, and then all of their families and friends after they land. All flights should still require testing and masking at this point, or all we’ve really accomplished is pacifying the dimwits and xenophobes.\nI know at least 3 people who 100% contracted COVID while flying domestically in the US this last month - because they were isolated for the incubation period beforehand. They were masked the entire time they were in the airport and on the plane.",
">\n\nIf they were masked up and I assume vaccinated and still caught the virus then preventable measures like these aren’t that effective.",
">\n\nIs there a new strain of Covid that isn't in the U.S yet, otherwise what's the point.",
">\n\nUm testing should not ever stop.",
">\n\nAh shit here we go again",
">\n\n\"Who left the fridge open?\"",
">\n\nIt's \"just a cold\" unless it's a non-white person from another country carrying it.\n/s",
">\n\nChina implemented an ineffective vaccine and had 30m+ cases in one day. It’s specifically that gov. refusing to use effective vaccines",
">\n\nAnd the United States had effective vaccines that half the country is not willing to nor willing to wear masks, while complaining to other countries like China about their travel restrictions (from China and Hong Kong). And honestly I’m not oppose to a tighter restriction on China while they are experiencing a surge in new cases just as it did with any other countries that initially loosen covid restrictions, what makes me question this being race or politically motivated is the hypocrisy; people complained about China being oppressive when it was enforcing all the covid restrictions and when they loosen it “China doesn’t care about human lives”.\nSo what exactly do you want them to do?",
">\n\n\nto Require Negative Covid Tests for Travelers From China\n\nLuckily China is well known for its systemic unwillingness to fake or counterfeit things, so everything should be fine.\nhonest.",
">\n\nSeems purely retaliatory with no actual effectiveness.\nEnforcement is over a week away and presumably China has hit its peak already (flights being 40% positive)",
">\n\nThe rich rats are going to buy fake tests and jump ship breaking quarantine just like they did in the first wave. Cutting flights or enforcing quarantines is the only way to prevent this stuff from jumping oceans but god forbid anybody inhibit the jet setters.",
">\n\nHALF of the passengers on a plane from China going to Italy tested positive the other day (tested on arrival). Chances are most if not all of them had negative test results they could show that they took before they left. This won't do anything to stop people coming into the US while positive..we are going to have to go through this all over again and we won't have the same somewhat cooperative response in the US this time if it is a variant that evades immunity... It will get REALLY bad.",
">\n\nSeriously they know red states will just let them in and will never do another shut down again. So start dealt with out break countries this way to slow it down or corner it. But I see very very bad days ahead for China and Russia is starting to report out breaks too.",
">\n\nMust. When?",
">\n\nWe already require this from canada iirc\nEdit: i was wrong, canada requires it from us."
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"People from China will travel through Europe and come in to America from the east coast like they did when the pandemic started. This will do nothing if all travelers aboard aren’t made to test.",
">\n\nLet's hope EU and other countries do the same.",
">\n\nI don't know if they will. Australia (for example) had some of the toughest Covid policies and they've essentially just thrown them all out the window.\nSo I don't know how willing countries are to go back to being overly concerned about Covid.",
">\n\nThey should be concerned w chinese, it's spreading like wildfire in china. If we aren't careful, they will come out w covid 20.",
">\n\nIt’s spreading everywhere including the USA. This policy has nothing to do with science or medicine. It’s just politics.",
">\n\nNo. It’s circulating like mad in a population of 1 billion people who haven’t been exposed before. This is how new variants come about. Every country should require negative Covid test for china at least until it cycles through the population",
">\n\n\nNo. It’s circulating like mad in a population of 1 billion people who haven’t been exposed before.\n\nIt's also spreading like mad in all the countries of the world including the USA.\n\nThis is how new variants come about. \n\nAnd they have been for years now.\n\nEvery country should require negative Covid test for china at least until it cycles through the population\n\nOnly for political reasons. There is no scientific or rational demand for this. \nI get it, you hate china, most americans hate china so just be honest and say what you really mean.",
">\n\nStrains are spreading in the west yes, but there are new strains in China that are spreading and we don't know if our vaccines will work with those strains. We know the Chinese vaccines have a low efficacy rate and we know they are not mRNA vaccines which allow for easier adaptation to new strains. Making travelers with a Chinese passport take Covid tests at any and all airports is not racist or even unfair - a reminder that China has been relatively hard to travel to for the last 2 years because they were locked down to foreign travel as well. This is simply good policy from a public health measure, and you not wanting to see that for what it is and instead attribute it to a nascent American hatred for China is laughable. the World Health Organization estimated close to 800 million new cases in China in the next few months, with another estimate 4 million deaths and countless new strains coming out during that period. This is about protection populations, not punishing China.",
">\n\n\nStrains are spreading in the west yes, but there are new strains in China that are spreading and we don't know if our vaccines will work with those strains.\n\nYou don't know if vaccines work against any new variant even if that variant is from a country populated with white people.\n\nWe know the Chinese vaccines have a low efficacy rate and we know they are not mRNA vaccines which allow for easier adaptation to new strains. \n\nThe vaccine doesn't adapt once inside of your body you know that right?\n\nMaking travelers with a Chinese passport take Covid tests at any and all airports is not racist or even unfair \n\nit's definitely unfair and probably racist as well.\n\nhis is simply good policy from a public health measure, a\n\nA good policy would be to require vaccinations from everybody. Think about it, you are requiring a vaccine that you said doesn't even work. How much sense does that make?\n\nattribute it to a nascent American hatred for China is laughable.\n\nNascent?\n\nThis is about protection populations, not punishing China.\n\nIt's definitely about punishing china, it's a part of the current cold war with China conducted by the USA.",
">\n\n\nYou don't know if vaccines work against any new variant even if that variant is from a country populated with white people.\n\nAll the more reason to not invite more new strains into the country. White population or otherwise has nothing to do with it, expected rise in cases in China does.\n\nThe vaccine doesn't adapt once inside of your body you know that right?\n\nYou missed the point. The point i was making was that the Chinese medical system has not even approached Covid with an mRNA vaccine, and steadfastly refused to license western vaccines. If the vaccine most readily available in China has a 50% efficacy then the population is at more risk of contracting the virus and having negative results. The infection rates are increased with each new case of BA.7 (China is currently seeing each covid patient infecting on average 18 other people represented as 1:18, whereas the in US the rate is 1:3.9). Each of these factors increases the risk of developing new strains that are vaccine resistant. \n\nit's definitely unfair and probably racist as well\n\nIs it your position that nations cannot take any prescriptive action to prevent the spread of infected persons from other countries? Again i would remind you that China has basically been locked down for the last 2 years, with severe limitations to personal freedoms themselves. This is not based on race, but rather a government's inability to contain a contagious outbreak in their own country and not wanting it to spread. \n\nA good policy would be to require vaccinations from everybody. Think about it, you are requiring a vaccine that you said doesn't even work. How much sense does that make?\n\nThat might be your definition on good policy, but it isn't mine and that isn't how the west does it. \"I\" am not requiring a vaccine that \"I\" said doesn't work - that was your suggestion not mine. Also, i said the efficacy of the Chinese vaccine is 50% - based on available information - i never said it didn't work, and i never said that it should be mandatory or required.\n\nNascent?\n\nPoor and wrong word choice on my part it seems. What i meant was ascribing the US decision to require testing of Chinese travelers to racism because you believe that the US is racist is laughable. Taking a test to prove that you are covid negative is far less onerous on a traveler than most visa requirements.\n\nIt's definitely about punishing china, it's a part of the current cold war with China conducted by the USA.\n\nCite your sources. I could point to many Chinese government policies that i could say are part of the current cold war with the US without backing it up and it would be just as credible as what you said. Opinion is not a source, and not proof. You assume that the US government is racist, that this policy is racist and yet we have had travel bans imposed on other countries, as well as testing required for travelers from other countries imposed before, and other policies and so has China. For goodness sake China has been closed to foreigners for almost 3 years, and is still closed to foreign travel until January 2023. Is that a racist policy as well?",
">\n\nHere we go again.\nThis time I think I'll learn French cooking.",
">\n\n5000 People a day will have to die before Anybody says the word Lock down in the States ever again.",
">\n\nDon’t understand why people can’t handle staying at home for two weeks when it could potentially eradicate a deadly virus. Are we that weak?",
">\n\nWe did that in large part in March 2020. And did China not spend years locking down their citizens? \nPeoples savings are gone. They need to work. \nWearing a mask would do a lot to help the issue but people aren’t willing to do that anymore.",
">\n\nWe didn't do that though. We didn't all lock down when we were supposed to. Where I work I had to go in from the very start all the way through. Most people, the majority of people, didn't stay home even if they didn't have work. Most people didn't fuck with masks or keeping a distance, and even people who weren't antivaccers didn't take the vaccine seriously for the longest time. \nWe had no fucking lock down, unless you were a well-off celebrity or comedian who wanted to talk about being locked down for content. \nIf people legit locked down, they would have taken a small hit financially, but too many people didn't do shit and prolonged everything.",
">\n\nThe things is that it doesn't take long to drain peoples saving - becuase the overwhelming majority of people have practically none. \nSo an extended lockdown was never feasible unless the government was willing to pay several trillion dollars of expenses, not just 2 or 3 times but several times over.",
">\n\nI didn't dispute any of what you said. I pointed out that most people actively contested any safety measure and most people didn't actually lock down. Any extension will almost certainly be the fault of most of those people. \nI'd gladly let them all die if it meant the few people who did take things seriously didn't have to live through a Walking Dead scenario or have to take a huge financial hit because them.",
">\n\nMost people did lock down just fine initially. After a few weeks turned into a month or more, yeah people got testy.\nAdditionally, a gigantic amount of people work in critical industries and simply cant stay home. Just keeping the lights and water on requires tens of millions of workers, plus industries like plants and refineries that simply cannot shut down without massive long-term consequences.\nReddit is full of office people who can WFH, the vast majority of people cant.",
">\n\nI was one of those who couldn't stay home. Right out of the gate most people gave up on almost all of it except when they were making a show of complying when they had to. There was a lot of cheating. I walk through a lot of different areas. The waves of patients and bodies we got at work tracked with that and became predictable.",
">\n\nWhat’s that saying that ends with ”…doomed to repeat it?”",
">\n\nWhy not just require a negative test from everyone?",
">\n\nWho would you expect to pay for that?",
">\n\nGovernments or sponsors from the private sector ideally, I honestly don’t give a fuck. I’ve gotten many free tests from both and I’ve also bought some for like $8.",
">\n\n“Here we go again” from everyone in the comments. \nThe virus never stopped, we did.",
">\n\nVirus will always be there. Permanent restrictions are unsustainable",
">\n\n3 years later...\nIs this permanent?",
">\n\nI doubt there's anything that would make Republicans running in 2024 happier then Democrats advocating for a return to COVID restrictions.",
">\n\nRight? It’d be like the democrats fighting for gun control, or gay and trans rights, or safe and legal abortions. It would be political suicide to stand for something that Republicans don’t like!",
">\n\nMy understanding is that everything you listed is broadly popular or has at least a majority of American's in favor of it. A return to COVID restrictions is not in that category.",
">\n\nGun control isn’t even universally loved amongst the American left, as the hard left needs them for protection from the hard right they clash with, and the middle left does like having their guns taken as much as any middle right wing does, only mid left likes it",
">\n\nGallup has 57% of Americans feeling that in general gun laws should be more strict.",
">\n\nRegular people want kids to stop dying while in school. The problem is \"stricter laws\" is vague and no one can agree on what it means or give a serious proposal that would work, short of confiscation and bans, which are wildly unpopular.",
">\n\nVague political talking points is the best we’re going to get. Much as I’d love a Ross Perot style of breaking down every platform and promise, the general public doesn’t go for it. Buzz words are all we have the attention span for.",
">\n\nChina's COVID-19 surge raises odds of new coronavirus variants\nThings could get very ugly.",
">\n\nYou say this like covid hasn't been spreading rampantly through literally every country on the planet, mostly without any measures to stop the spread. Why does China get a different treatment and maybe countries should require tests from the US or Inida or Europe?",
">\n\nI agree. US was primarily the culprit of why COVID went rampant to begin with. We actively refused to enforce any sort of safety measures, just a mild suggestion of \"maybe wear a mask, if you want to, it's ok if you don't\" and \"we have vaccines if you want one, no pressure tho\". That was really our response to the world's deadliest pandemic.",
">\n\nWe actively made fun of zero covid approaches on reddit and now based on the comments on this thread we are suddenly pro “zero covid” approaches",
">\n\nEveryone finally watched contagion",
">\n\nSo far my 2023 bingo card is reading alooot of skull and crossbones, I think I might actually win at something next year, what does your score card look like?",
">\n\nWhen’s that $1200 going to hit my account?",
">\n\nI’m still living off mine from last time!",
">\n\nI’m still looking for mine",
">\n\nI’m waiting for that $600 bucks from Biden still, but that’s going right into my retirement!",
">\n\nYou dont get he meant to include any money you already received as well /s",
">\n\nI seem to remember campaign ads with $2000 checks.",
">\n\nYep they explicitly mentioned $2,000 checks.",
">\n\nMy comment was sarcasm but in retrospect there are so many neoliberals saying that word for word in all seriousness that I should and will add a sarcasm tag",
">\n\nThat's nice and all, but let's not act like we're not just ignoring our own COVID problems.",
">\n\n\n\"You don't have zero tolerance anymore? We can't tolerate that.\"\n\n- Country with 100% tolerance",
">\n\nWhy not require a negative COVID test from everyone entering the country? It’s like they don’t want COVID to be under control.",
">\n\nI think this is because China has a relatively low vaccination rate because they relied on lock downs. Now that lock downs are being ramped down, they are having a huge surge.",
">\n\nThe vaccination rate in China is considerably higher than the US (92% vs 81%). This is just another example of yellow peril",
">\n\nThank you for pointing this out. What I said above was wrong about the vaccination rate. I don’t know why exactly China is having a surge. 🤷♂️",
">\n\nTheir vaccination rate is high but their vaccine, SinoVac is based on old tech. It conveys effectively zero protection from variants when compared to all the other types of vaccines on the market.",
">\n\nYou guys are so full of shit. At 3 doses Sinovac gives the same protection as any western vaccine with boosters to help mitigate mutated variants. Stop spreading misinfo.",
">\n\n\"Does that thumbnail of someone getting tested read too much like 'screaming uselessly into the void'?\"\n\"I'm sure it'll be fine.\"",
">\n\nMaybe, just maybe they shouldnt have stopped testing airplane passengers in the first place... \nWe have cheap, readily available tests that take 10 minutes to complete. There’s really no reason not to test ever passenger before boarding...",
">\n\nEveryone I know who had Omicron tested negative until their symptoms cleared. It was evading the RATs, for some reason.",
">\n\nI tested positive on a rapid test two days after getting congested. Every teacher coworker of mine who bothered to test after getting cold symptoms also did. I think it's why so few parents now test their kids before sending time to school sick. They don't want to know so we all find out when we or our family members then test positive, missing work on their sick kids' behalf so they didn't have to. \nI have also heard the rapid test can give false negatives but anecdotal references don't mean much.",
">\n\nA day late and a dollar short. Same old song and dance.",
">\n\nWow, it’s like history literally repeating itself.",
">\n\nIndeed it is. I hope everyone is prepared for what’s next.",
">\n\nWe should require negative COVID tests for people to fly within the US, too.\nIt makes no difference to me if the person who infects me at LAX is coming in from China, or from Texas.",
">\n\nThere is a high chance anyone that comes from China has Covid right now. Low chance that someone inside America has.",
">\n\nNaw. China’s percent is much higher, sure, but it’s not like US infection rates are low. You can pretty much guarantee an infected American on every sold out domestic flight. The latest variants are super, super contagious, and it only takes one infected person to pose a serious risk to the other people sharing their space, and then all of their families and friends after they land. All flights should still require testing and masking at this point, or all we’ve really accomplished is pacifying the dimwits and xenophobes.\nI know at least 3 people who 100% contracted COVID while flying domestically in the US this last month - because they were isolated for the incubation period beforehand. They were masked the entire time they were in the airport and on the plane.",
">\n\nIf they were masked up and I assume vaccinated and still caught the virus then preventable measures like these aren’t that effective.",
">\n\nIs there a new strain of Covid that isn't in the U.S yet, otherwise what's the point.",
">\n\nUm testing should not ever stop.",
">\n\nAh shit here we go again",
">\n\n\"Who left the fridge open?\"",
">\n\nIt's \"just a cold\" unless it's a non-white person from another country carrying it.\n/s",
">\n\nChina implemented an ineffective vaccine and had 30m+ cases in one day. It’s specifically that gov. refusing to use effective vaccines",
">\n\nAnd the United States had effective vaccines that half the country is not willing to nor willing to wear masks, while complaining to other countries like China about their travel restrictions (from China and Hong Kong). And honestly I’m not oppose to a tighter restriction on China while they are experiencing a surge in new cases just as it did with any other countries that initially loosen covid restrictions, what makes me question this being race or politically motivated is the hypocrisy; people complained about China being oppressive when it was enforcing all the covid restrictions and when they loosen it “China doesn’t care about human lives”.\nSo what exactly do you want them to do?",
">\n\n\nto Require Negative Covid Tests for Travelers From China\n\nLuckily China is well known for its systemic unwillingness to fake or counterfeit things, so everything should be fine.\nhonest.",
">\n\nSeems purely retaliatory with no actual effectiveness.\nEnforcement is over a week away and presumably China has hit its peak already (flights being 40% positive)",
">\n\nThe rich rats are going to buy fake tests and jump ship breaking quarantine just like they did in the first wave. Cutting flights or enforcing quarantines is the only way to prevent this stuff from jumping oceans but god forbid anybody inhibit the jet setters.",
">\n\nHALF of the passengers on a plane from China going to Italy tested positive the other day (tested on arrival). Chances are most if not all of them had negative test results they could show that they took before they left. This won't do anything to stop people coming into the US while positive..we are going to have to go through this all over again and we won't have the same somewhat cooperative response in the US this time if it is a variant that evades immunity... It will get REALLY bad.",
">\n\nSeriously they know red states will just let them in and will never do another shut down again. So start dealt with out break countries this way to slow it down or corner it. But I see very very bad days ahead for China and Russia is starting to report out breaks too.",
">\n\nMust. When?",
">\n\nWe already require this from canada iirc\nEdit: i was wrong, canada requires it from us.",
">\n\nI hope we are talking PCR tests... those store-bought 15-minute ones struggle to get a positive if you have any sort of vaccination, even while symptomatic and miserable."
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Travel should have been 100$ restricted a long time ago. Travel should be restricted to any country experiencing a COVID outbreak.
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"People from China will travel through Europe and come in to America from the east coast like they did when the pandemic started. This will do nothing if all travelers aboard aren’t made to test.",
">\n\nLet's hope EU and other countries do the same.",
">\n\nI don't know if they will. Australia (for example) had some of the toughest Covid policies and they've essentially just thrown them all out the window.\nSo I don't know how willing countries are to go back to being overly concerned about Covid.",
">\n\nThey should be concerned w chinese, it's spreading like wildfire in china. If we aren't careful, they will come out w covid 20.",
">\n\nIt’s spreading everywhere including the USA. This policy has nothing to do with science or medicine. It’s just politics.",
">\n\nNo. It’s circulating like mad in a population of 1 billion people who haven’t been exposed before. This is how new variants come about. Every country should require negative Covid test for china at least until it cycles through the population",
">\n\n\nNo. It’s circulating like mad in a population of 1 billion people who haven’t been exposed before.\n\nIt's also spreading like mad in all the countries of the world including the USA.\n\nThis is how new variants come about. \n\nAnd they have been for years now.\n\nEvery country should require negative Covid test for china at least until it cycles through the population\n\nOnly for political reasons. There is no scientific or rational demand for this. \nI get it, you hate china, most americans hate china so just be honest and say what you really mean.",
">\n\nStrains are spreading in the west yes, but there are new strains in China that are spreading and we don't know if our vaccines will work with those strains. We know the Chinese vaccines have a low efficacy rate and we know they are not mRNA vaccines which allow for easier adaptation to new strains. Making travelers with a Chinese passport take Covid tests at any and all airports is not racist or even unfair - a reminder that China has been relatively hard to travel to for the last 2 years because they were locked down to foreign travel as well. This is simply good policy from a public health measure, and you not wanting to see that for what it is and instead attribute it to a nascent American hatred for China is laughable. the World Health Organization estimated close to 800 million new cases in China in the next few months, with another estimate 4 million deaths and countless new strains coming out during that period. This is about protection populations, not punishing China.",
">\n\n\nStrains are spreading in the west yes, but there are new strains in China that are spreading and we don't know if our vaccines will work with those strains.\n\nYou don't know if vaccines work against any new variant even if that variant is from a country populated with white people.\n\nWe know the Chinese vaccines have a low efficacy rate and we know they are not mRNA vaccines which allow for easier adaptation to new strains. \n\nThe vaccine doesn't adapt once inside of your body you know that right?\n\nMaking travelers with a Chinese passport take Covid tests at any and all airports is not racist or even unfair \n\nit's definitely unfair and probably racist as well.\n\nhis is simply good policy from a public health measure, a\n\nA good policy would be to require vaccinations from everybody. Think about it, you are requiring a vaccine that you said doesn't even work. How much sense does that make?\n\nattribute it to a nascent American hatred for China is laughable.\n\nNascent?\n\nThis is about protection populations, not punishing China.\n\nIt's definitely about punishing china, it's a part of the current cold war with China conducted by the USA.",
">\n\n\nYou don't know if vaccines work against any new variant even if that variant is from a country populated with white people.\n\nAll the more reason to not invite more new strains into the country. White population or otherwise has nothing to do with it, expected rise in cases in China does.\n\nThe vaccine doesn't adapt once inside of your body you know that right?\n\nYou missed the point. The point i was making was that the Chinese medical system has not even approached Covid with an mRNA vaccine, and steadfastly refused to license western vaccines. If the vaccine most readily available in China has a 50% efficacy then the population is at more risk of contracting the virus and having negative results. The infection rates are increased with each new case of BA.7 (China is currently seeing each covid patient infecting on average 18 other people represented as 1:18, whereas the in US the rate is 1:3.9). Each of these factors increases the risk of developing new strains that are vaccine resistant. \n\nit's definitely unfair and probably racist as well\n\nIs it your position that nations cannot take any prescriptive action to prevent the spread of infected persons from other countries? Again i would remind you that China has basically been locked down for the last 2 years, with severe limitations to personal freedoms themselves. This is not based on race, but rather a government's inability to contain a contagious outbreak in their own country and not wanting it to spread. \n\nA good policy would be to require vaccinations from everybody. Think about it, you are requiring a vaccine that you said doesn't even work. How much sense does that make?\n\nThat might be your definition on good policy, but it isn't mine and that isn't how the west does it. \"I\" am not requiring a vaccine that \"I\" said doesn't work - that was your suggestion not mine. Also, i said the efficacy of the Chinese vaccine is 50% - based on available information - i never said it didn't work, and i never said that it should be mandatory or required.\n\nNascent?\n\nPoor and wrong word choice on my part it seems. What i meant was ascribing the US decision to require testing of Chinese travelers to racism because you believe that the US is racist is laughable. Taking a test to prove that you are covid negative is far less onerous on a traveler than most visa requirements.\n\nIt's definitely about punishing china, it's a part of the current cold war with China conducted by the USA.\n\nCite your sources. I could point to many Chinese government policies that i could say are part of the current cold war with the US without backing it up and it would be just as credible as what you said. Opinion is not a source, and not proof. You assume that the US government is racist, that this policy is racist and yet we have had travel bans imposed on other countries, as well as testing required for travelers from other countries imposed before, and other policies and so has China. For goodness sake China has been closed to foreigners for almost 3 years, and is still closed to foreign travel until January 2023. Is that a racist policy as well?",
">\n\nHere we go again.\nThis time I think I'll learn French cooking.",
">\n\n5000 People a day will have to die before Anybody says the word Lock down in the States ever again.",
">\n\nDon’t understand why people can’t handle staying at home for two weeks when it could potentially eradicate a deadly virus. Are we that weak?",
">\n\nWe did that in large part in March 2020. And did China not spend years locking down their citizens? \nPeoples savings are gone. They need to work. \nWearing a mask would do a lot to help the issue but people aren’t willing to do that anymore.",
">\n\nWe didn't do that though. We didn't all lock down when we were supposed to. Where I work I had to go in from the very start all the way through. Most people, the majority of people, didn't stay home even if they didn't have work. Most people didn't fuck with masks or keeping a distance, and even people who weren't antivaccers didn't take the vaccine seriously for the longest time. \nWe had no fucking lock down, unless you were a well-off celebrity or comedian who wanted to talk about being locked down for content. \nIf people legit locked down, they would have taken a small hit financially, but too many people didn't do shit and prolonged everything.",
">\n\nThe things is that it doesn't take long to drain peoples saving - becuase the overwhelming majority of people have practically none. \nSo an extended lockdown was never feasible unless the government was willing to pay several trillion dollars of expenses, not just 2 or 3 times but several times over.",
">\n\nI didn't dispute any of what you said. I pointed out that most people actively contested any safety measure and most people didn't actually lock down. Any extension will almost certainly be the fault of most of those people. \nI'd gladly let them all die if it meant the few people who did take things seriously didn't have to live through a Walking Dead scenario or have to take a huge financial hit because them.",
">\n\nMost people did lock down just fine initially. After a few weeks turned into a month or more, yeah people got testy.\nAdditionally, a gigantic amount of people work in critical industries and simply cant stay home. Just keeping the lights and water on requires tens of millions of workers, plus industries like plants and refineries that simply cannot shut down without massive long-term consequences.\nReddit is full of office people who can WFH, the vast majority of people cant.",
">\n\nI was one of those who couldn't stay home. Right out of the gate most people gave up on almost all of it except when they were making a show of complying when they had to. There was a lot of cheating. I walk through a lot of different areas. The waves of patients and bodies we got at work tracked with that and became predictable.",
">\n\nWhat’s that saying that ends with ”…doomed to repeat it?”",
">\n\nWhy not just require a negative test from everyone?",
">\n\nWho would you expect to pay for that?",
">\n\nGovernments or sponsors from the private sector ideally, I honestly don’t give a fuck. I’ve gotten many free tests from both and I’ve also bought some for like $8.",
">\n\n“Here we go again” from everyone in the comments. \nThe virus never stopped, we did.",
">\n\nVirus will always be there. Permanent restrictions are unsustainable",
">\n\n3 years later...\nIs this permanent?",
">\n\nI doubt there's anything that would make Republicans running in 2024 happier then Democrats advocating for a return to COVID restrictions.",
">\n\nRight? It’d be like the democrats fighting for gun control, or gay and trans rights, or safe and legal abortions. It would be political suicide to stand for something that Republicans don’t like!",
">\n\nMy understanding is that everything you listed is broadly popular or has at least a majority of American's in favor of it. A return to COVID restrictions is not in that category.",
">\n\nGun control isn’t even universally loved amongst the American left, as the hard left needs them for protection from the hard right they clash with, and the middle left does like having their guns taken as much as any middle right wing does, only mid left likes it",
">\n\nGallup has 57% of Americans feeling that in general gun laws should be more strict.",
">\n\nRegular people want kids to stop dying while in school. The problem is \"stricter laws\" is vague and no one can agree on what it means or give a serious proposal that would work, short of confiscation and bans, which are wildly unpopular.",
">\n\nVague political talking points is the best we’re going to get. Much as I’d love a Ross Perot style of breaking down every platform and promise, the general public doesn’t go for it. Buzz words are all we have the attention span for.",
">\n\nChina's COVID-19 surge raises odds of new coronavirus variants\nThings could get very ugly.",
">\n\nYou say this like covid hasn't been spreading rampantly through literally every country on the planet, mostly without any measures to stop the spread. Why does China get a different treatment and maybe countries should require tests from the US or Inida or Europe?",
">\n\nI agree. US was primarily the culprit of why COVID went rampant to begin with. We actively refused to enforce any sort of safety measures, just a mild suggestion of \"maybe wear a mask, if you want to, it's ok if you don't\" and \"we have vaccines if you want one, no pressure tho\". That was really our response to the world's deadliest pandemic.",
">\n\nWe actively made fun of zero covid approaches on reddit and now based on the comments on this thread we are suddenly pro “zero covid” approaches",
">\n\nEveryone finally watched contagion",
">\n\nSo far my 2023 bingo card is reading alooot of skull and crossbones, I think I might actually win at something next year, what does your score card look like?",
">\n\nWhen’s that $1200 going to hit my account?",
">\n\nI’m still living off mine from last time!",
">\n\nI’m still looking for mine",
">\n\nI’m waiting for that $600 bucks from Biden still, but that’s going right into my retirement!",
">\n\nYou dont get he meant to include any money you already received as well /s",
">\n\nI seem to remember campaign ads with $2000 checks.",
">\n\nYep they explicitly mentioned $2,000 checks.",
">\n\nMy comment was sarcasm but in retrospect there are so many neoliberals saying that word for word in all seriousness that I should and will add a sarcasm tag",
">\n\nThat's nice and all, but let's not act like we're not just ignoring our own COVID problems.",
">\n\n\n\"You don't have zero tolerance anymore? We can't tolerate that.\"\n\n- Country with 100% tolerance",
">\n\nWhy not require a negative COVID test from everyone entering the country? It’s like they don’t want COVID to be under control.",
">\n\nI think this is because China has a relatively low vaccination rate because they relied on lock downs. Now that lock downs are being ramped down, they are having a huge surge.",
">\n\nThe vaccination rate in China is considerably higher than the US (92% vs 81%). This is just another example of yellow peril",
">\n\nThank you for pointing this out. What I said above was wrong about the vaccination rate. I don’t know why exactly China is having a surge. 🤷♂️",
">\n\nTheir vaccination rate is high but their vaccine, SinoVac is based on old tech. It conveys effectively zero protection from variants when compared to all the other types of vaccines on the market.",
">\n\nYou guys are so full of shit. At 3 doses Sinovac gives the same protection as any western vaccine with boosters to help mitigate mutated variants. Stop spreading misinfo.",
">\n\n\"Does that thumbnail of someone getting tested read too much like 'screaming uselessly into the void'?\"\n\"I'm sure it'll be fine.\"",
">\n\nMaybe, just maybe they shouldnt have stopped testing airplane passengers in the first place... \nWe have cheap, readily available tests that take 10 minutes to complete. There’s really no reason not to test ever passenger before boarding...",
">\n\nEveryone I know who had Omicron tested negative until their symptoms cleared. It was evading the RATs, for some reason.",
">\n\nI tested positive on a rapid test two days after getting congested. Every teacher coworker of mine who bothered to test after getting cold symptoms also did. I think it's why so few parents now test their kids before sending time to school sick. They don't want to know so we all find out when we or our family members then test positive, missing work on their sick kids' behalf so they didn't have to. \nI have also heard the rapid test can give false negatives but anecdotal references don't mean much.",
">\n\nA day late and a dollar short. Same old song and dance.",
">\n\nWow, it’s like history literally repeating itself.",
">\n\nIndeed it is. I hope everyone is prepared for what’s next.",
">\n\nWe should require negative COVID tests for people to fly within the US, too.\nIt makes no difference to me if the person who infects me at LAX is coming in from China, or from Texas.",
">\n\nThere is a high chance anyone that comes from China has Covid right now. Low chance that someone inside America has.",
">\n\nNaw. China’s percent is much higher, sure, but it’s not like US infection rates are low. You can pretty much guarantee an infected American on every sold out domestic flight. The latest variants are super, super contagious, and it only takes one infected person to pose a serious risk to the other people sharing their space, and then all of their families and friends after they land. All flights should still require testing and masking at this point, or all we’ve really accomplished is pacifying the dimwits and xenophobes.\nI know at least 3 people who 100% contracted COVID while flying domestically in the US this last month - because they were isolated for the incubation period beforehand. They were masked the entire time they were in the airport and on the plane.",
">\n\nIf they were masked up and I assume vaccinated and still caught the virus then preventable measures like these aren’t that effective.",
">\n\nIs there a new strain of Covid that isn't in the U.S yet, otherwise what's the point.",
">\n\nUm testing should not ever stop.",
">\n\nAh shit here we go again",
">\n\n\"Who left the fridge open?\"",
">\n\nIt's \"just a cold\" unless it's a non-white person from another country carrying it.\n/s",
">\n\nChina implemented an ineffective vaccine and had 30m+ cases in one day. It’s specifically that gov. refusing to use effective vaccines",
">\n\nAnd the United States had effective vaccines that half the country is not willing to nor willing to wear masks, while complaining to other countries like China about their travel restrictions (from China and Hong Kong). And honestly I’m not oppose to a tighter restriction on China while they are experiencing a surge in new cases just as it did with any other countries that initially loosen covid restrictions, what makes me question this being race or politically motivated is the hypocrisy; people complained about China being oppressive when it was enforcing all the covid restrictions and when they loosen it “China doesn’t care about human lives”.\nSo what exactly do you want them to do?",
">\n\n\nto Require Negative Covid Tests for Travelers From China\n\nLuckily China is well known for its systemic unwillingness to fake or counterfeit things, so everything should be fine.\nhonest.",
">\n\nSeems purely retaliatory with no actual effectiveness.\nEnforcement is over a week away and presumably China has hit its peak already (flights being 40% positive)",
">\n\nThe rich rats are going to buy fake tests and jump ship breaking quarantine just like they did in the first wave. Cutting flights or enforcing quarantines is the only way to prevent this stuff from jumping oceans but god forbid anybody inhibit the jet setters.",
">\n\nHALF of the passengers on a plane from China going to Italy tested positive the other day (tested on arrival). Chances are most if not all of them had negative test results they could show that they took before they left. This won't do anything to stop people coming into the US while positive..we are going to have to go through this all over again and we won't have the same somewhat cooperative response in the US this time if it is a variant that evades immunity... It will get REALLY bad.",
">\n\nSeriously they know red states will just let them in and will never do another shut down again. So start dealt with out break countries this way to slow it down or corner it. But I see very very bad days ahead for China and Russia is starting to report out breaks too.",
">\n\nMust. When?",
">\n\nWe already require this from canada iirc\nEdit: i was wrong, canada requires it from us.",
">\n\nI hope we are talking PCR tests... those store-bought 15-minute ones struggle to get a positive if you have any sort of vaccination, even while symptomatic and miserable.",
">\n\nWell, a little bit of good news. I'll take it."
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Wonderful. Another round of Asian hating.
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"People from China will travel through Europe and come in to America from the east coast like they did when the pandemic started. This will do nothing if all travelers aboard aren’t made to test.",
">\n\nLet's hope EU and other countries do the same.",
">\n\nI don't know if they will. Australia (for example) had some of the toughest Covid policies and they've essentially just thrown them all out the window.\nSo I don't know how willing countries are to go back to being overly concerned about Covid.",
">\n\nThey should be concerned w chinese, it's spreading like wildfire in china. If we aren't careful, they will come out w covid 20.",
">\n\nIt’s spreading everywhere including the USA. This policy has nothing to do with science or medicine. It’s just politics.",
">\n\nNo. It’s circulating like mad in a population of 1 billion people who haven’t been exposed before. This is how new variants come about. Every country should require negative Covid test for china at least until it cycles through the population",
">\n\n\nNo. It’s circulating like mad in a population of 1 billion people who haven’t been exposed before.\n\nIt's also spreading like mad in all the countries of the world including the USA.\n\nThis is how new variants come about. \n\nAnd they have been for years now.\n\nEvery country should require negative Covid test for china at least until it cycles through the population\n\nOnly for political reasons. There is no scientific or rational demand for this. \nI get it, you hate china, most americans hate china so just be honest and say what you really mean.",
">\n\nStrains are spreading in the west yes, but there are new strains in China that are spreading and we don't know if our vaccines will work with those strains. We know the Chinese vaccines have a low efficacy rate and we know they are not mRNA vaccines which allow for easier adaptation to new strains. Making travelers with a Chinese passport take Covid tests at any and all airports is not racist or even unfair - a reminder that China has been relatively hard to travel to for the last 2 years because they were locked down to foreign travel as well. This is simply good policy from a public health measure, and you not wanting to see that for what it is and instead attribute it to a nascent American hatred for China is laughable. the World Health Organization estimated close to 800 million new cases in China in the next few months, with another estimate 4 million deaths and countless new strains coming out during that period. This is about protection populations, not punishing China.",
">\n\n\nStrains are spreading in the west yes, but there are new strains in China that are spreading and we don't know if our vaccines will work with those strains.\n\nYou don't know if vaccines work against any new variant even if that variant is from a country populated with white people.\n\nWe know the Chinese vaccines have a low efficacy rate and we know they are not mRNA vaccines which allow for easier adaptation to new strains. \n\nThe vaccine doesn't adapt once inside of your body you know that right?\n\nMaking travelers with a Chinese passport take Covid tests at any and all airports is not racist or even unfair \n\nit's definitely unfair and probably racist as well.\n\nhis is simply good policy from a public health measure, a\n\nA good policy would be to require vaccinations from everybody. Think about it, you are requiring a vaccine that you said doesn't even work. How much sense does that make?\n\nattribute it to a nascent American hatred for China is laughable.\n\nNascent?\n\nThis is about protection populations, not punishing China.\n\nIt's definitely about punishing china, it's a part of the current cold war with China conducted by the USA.",
">\n\n\nYou don't know if vaccines work against any new variant even if that variant is from a country populated with white people.\n\nAll the more reason to not invite more new strains into the country. White population or otherwise has nothing to do with it, expected rise in cases in China does.\n\nThe vaccine doesn't adapt once inside of your body you know that right?\n\nYou missed the point. The point i was making was that the Chinese medical system has not even approached Covid with an mRNA vaccine, and steadfastly refused to license western vaccines. If the vaccine most readily available in China has a 50% efficacy then the population is at more risk of contracting the virus and having negative results. The infection rates are increased with each new case of BA.7 (China is currently seeing each covid patient infecting on average 18 other people represented as 1:18, whereas the in US the rate is 1:3.9). Each of these factors increases the risk of developing new strains that are vaccine resistant. \n\nit's definitely unfair and probably racist as well\n\nIs it your position that nations cannot take any prescriptive action to prevent the spread of infected persons from other countries? Again i would remind you that China has basically been locked down for the last 2 years, with severe limitations to personal freedoms themselves. This is not based on race, but rather a government's inability to contain a contagious outbreak in their own country and not wanting it to spread. \n\nA good policy would be to require vaccinations from everybody. Think about it, you are requiring a vaccine that you said doesn't even work. How much sense does that make?\n\nThat might be your definition on good policy, but it isn't mine and that isn't how the west does it. \"I\" am not requiring a vaccine that \"I\" said doesn't work - that was your suggestion not mine. Also, i said the efficacy of the Chinese vaccine is 50% - based on available information - i never said it didn't work, and i never said that it should be mandatory or required.\n\nNascent?\n\nPoor and wrong word choice on my part it seems. What i meant was ascribing the US decision to require testing of Chinese travelers to racism because you believe that the US is racist is laughable. Taking a test to prove that you are covid negative is far less onerous on a traveler than most visa requirements.\n\nIt's definitely about punishing china, it's a part of the current cold war with China conducted by the USA.\n\nCite your sources. I could point to many Chinese government policies that i could say are part of the current cold war with the US without backing it up and it would be just as credible as what you said. Opinion is not a source, and not proof. You assume that the US government is racist, that this policy is racist and yet we have had travel bans imposed on other countries, as well as testing required for travelers from other countries imposed before, and other policies and so has China. For goodness sake China has been closed to foreigners for almost 3 years, and is still closed to foreign travel until January 2023. Is that a racist policy as well?",
">\n\nHere we go again.\nThis time I think I'll learn French cooking.",
">\n\n5000 People a day will have to die before Anybody says the word Lock down in the States ever again.",
">\n\nDon’t understand why people can’t handle staying at home for two weeks when it could potentially eradicate a deadly virus. Are we that weak?",
">\n\nWe did that in large part in March 2020. And did China not spend years locking down their citizens? \nPeoples savings are gone. They need to work. \nWearing a mask would do a lot to help the issue but people aren’t willing to do that anymore.",
">\n\nWe didn't do that though. We didn't all lock down when we were supposed to. Where I work I had to go in from the very start all the way through. Most people, the majority of people, didn't stay home even if they didn't have work. Most people didn't fuck with masks or keeping a distance, and even people who weren't antivaccers didn't take the vaccine seriously for the longest time. \nWe had no fucking lock down, unless you were a well-off celebrity or comedian who wanted to talk about being locked down for content. \nIf people legit locked down, they would have taken a small hit financially, but too many people didn't do shit and prolonged everything.",
">\n\nThe things is that it doesn't take long to drain peoples saving - becuase the overwhelming majority of people have practically none. \nSo an extended lockdown was never feasible unless the government was willing to pay several trillion dollars of expenses, not just 2 or 3 times but several times over.",
">\n\nI didn't dispute any of what you said. I pointed out that most people actively contested any safety measure and most people didn't actually lock down. Any extension will almost certainly be the fault of most of those people. \nI'd gladly let them all die if it meant the few people who did take things seriously didn't have to live through a Walking Dead scenario or have to take a huge financial hit because them.",
">\n\nMost people did lock down just fine initially. After a few weeks turned into a month or more, yeah people got testy.\nAdditionally, a gigantic amount of people work in critical industries and simply cant stay home. Just keeping the lights and water on requires tens of millions of workers, plus industries like plants and refineries that simply cannot shut down without massive long-term consequences.\nReddit is full of office people who can WFH, the vast majority of people cant.",
">\n\nI was one of those who couldn't stay home. Right out of the gate most people gave up on almost all of it except when they were making a show of complying when they had to. There was a lot of cheating. I walk through a lot of different areas. The waves of patients and bodies we got at work tracked with that and became predictable.",
">\n\nWhat’s that saying that ends with ”…doomed to repeat it?”",
">\n\nWhy not just require a negative test from everyone?",
">\n\nWho would you expect to pay for that?",
">\n\nGovernments or sponsors from the private sector ideally, I honestly don’t give a fuck. I’ve gotten many free tests from both and I’ve also bought some for like $8.",
">\n\n“Here we go again” from everyone in the comments. \nThe virus never stopped, we did.",
">\n\nVirus will always be there. Permanent restrictions are unsustainable",
">\n\n3 years later...\nIs this permanent?",
">\n\nI doubt there's anything that would make Republicans running in 2024 happier then Democrats advocating for a return to COVID restrictions.",
">\n\nRight? It’d be like the democrats fighting for gun control, or gay and trans rights, or safe and legal abortions. It would be political suicide to stand for something that Republicans don’t like!",
">\n\nMy understanding is that everything you listed is broadly popular or has at least a majority of American's in favor of it. A return to COVID restrictions is not in that category.",
">\n\nGun control isn’t even universally loved amongst the American left, as the hard left needs them for protection from the hard right they clash with, and the middle left does like having their guns taken as much as any middle right wing does, only mid left likes it",
">\n\nGallup has 57% of Americans feeling that in general gun laws should be more strict.",
">\n\nRegular people want kids to stop dying while in school. The problem is \"stricter laws\" is vague and no one can agree on what it means or give a serious proposal that would work, short of confiscation and bans, which are wildly unpopular.",
">\n\nVague political talking points is the best we’re going to get. Much as I’d love a Ross Perot style of breaking down every platform and promise, the general public doesn’t go for it. Buzz words are all we have the attention span for.",
">\n\nChina's COVID-19 surge raises odds of new coronavirus variants\nThings could get very ugly.",
">\n\nYou say this like covid hasn't been spreading rampantly through literally every country on the planet, mostly without any measures to stop the spread. Why does China get a different treatment and maybe countries should require tests from the US or Inida or Europe?",
">\n\nI agree. US was primarily the culprit of why COVID went rampant to begin with. We actively refused to enforce any sort of safety measures, just a mild suggestion of \"maybe wear a mask, if you want to, it's ok if you don't\" and \"we have vaccines if you want one, no pressure tho\". That was really our response to the world's deadliest pandemic.",
">\n\nWe actively made fun of zero covid approaches on reddit and now based on the comments on this thread we are suddenly pro “zero covid” approaches",
">\n\nEveryone finally watched contagion",
">\n\nSo far my 2023 bingo card is reading alooot of skull and crossbones, I think I might actually win at something next year, what does your score card look like?",
">\n\nWhen’s that $1200 going to hit my account?",
">\n\nI’m still living off mine from last time!",
">\n\nI’m still looking for mine",
">\n\nI’m waiting for that $600 bucks from Biden still, but that’s going right into my retirement!",
">\n\nYou dont get he meant to include any money you already received as well /s",
">\n\nI seem to remember campaign ads with $2000 checks.",
">\n\nYep they explicitly mentioned $2,000 checks.",
">\n\nMy comment was sarcasm but in retrospect there are so many neoliberals saying that word for word in all seriousness that I should and will add a sarcasm tag",
">\n\nThat's nice and all, but let's not act like we're not just ignoring our own COVID problems.",
">\n\n\n\"You don't have zero tolerance anymore? We can't tolerate that.\"\n\n- Country with 100% tolerance",
">\n\nWhy not require a negative COVID test from everyone entering the country? It’s like they don’t want COVID to be under control.",
">\n\nI think this is because China has a relatively low vaccination rate because they relied on lock downs. Now that lock downs are being ramped down, they are having a huge surge.",
">\n\nThe vaccination rate in China is considerably higher than the US (92% vs 81%). This is just another example of yellow peril",
">\n\nThank you for pointing this out. What I said above was wrong about the vaccination rate. I don’t know why exactly China is having a surge. 🤷♂️",
">\n\nTheir vaccination rate is high but their vaccine, SinoVac is based on old tech. It conveys effectively zero protection from variants when compared to all the other types of vaccines on the market.",
">\n\nYou guys are so full of shit. At 3 doses Sinovac gives the same protection as any western vaccine with boosters to help mitigate mutated variants. Stop spreading misinfo.",
">\n\n\"Does that thumbnail of someone getting tested read too much like 'screaming uselessly into the void'?\"\n\"I'm sure it'll be fine.\"",
">\n\nMaybe, just maybe they shouldnt have stopped testing airplane passengers in the first place... \nWe have cheap, readily available tests that take 10 minutes to complete. There’s really no reason not to test ever passenger before boarding...",
">\n\nEveryone I know who had Omicron tested negative until their symptoms cleared. It was evading the RATs, for some reason.",
">\n\nI tested positive on a rapid test two days after getting congested. Every teacher coworker of mine who bothered to test after getting cold symptoms also did. I think it's why so few parents now test their kids before sending time to school sick. They don't want to know so we all find out when we or our family members then test positive, missing work on their sick kids' behalf so they didn't have to. \nI have also heard the rapid test can give false negatives but anecdotal references don't mean much.",
">\n\nA day late and a dollar short. Same old song and dance.",
">\n\nWow, it’s like history literally repeating itself.",
">\n\nIndeed it is. I hope everyone is prepared for what’s next.",
">\n\nWe should require negative COVID tests for people to fly within the US, too.\nIt makes no difference to me if the person who infects me at LAX is coming in from China, or from Texas.",
">\n\nThere is a high chance anyone that comes from China has Covid right now. Low chance that someone inside America has.",
">\n\nNaw. China’s percent is much higher, sure, but it’s not like US infection rates are low. You can pretty much guarantee an infected American on every sold out domestic flight. The latest variants are super, super contagious, and it only takes one infected person to pose a serious risk to the other people sharing their space, and then all of their families and friends after they land. All flights should still require testing and masking at this point, or all we’ve really accomplished is pacifying the dimwits and xenophobes.\nI know at least 3 people who 100% contracted COVID while flying domestically in the US this last month - because they were isolated for the incubation period beforehand. They were masked the entire time they were in the airport and on the plane.",
">\n\nIf they were masked up and I assume vaccinated and still caught the virus then preventable measures like these aren’t that effective.",
">\n\nIs there a new strain of Covid that isn't in the U.S yet, otherwise what's the point.",
">\n\nUm testing should not ever stop.",
">\n\nAh shit here we go again",
">\n\n\"Who left the fridge open?\"",
">\n\nIt's \"just a cold\" unless it's a non-white person from another country carrying it.\n/s",
">\n\nChina implemented an ineffective vaccine and had 30m+ cases in one day. It’s specifically that gov. refusing to use effective vaccines",
">\n\nAnd the United States had effective vaccines that half the country is not willing to nor willing to wear masks, while complaining to other countries like China about their travel restrictions (from China and Hong Kong). And honestly I’m not oppose to a tighter restriction on China while they are experiencing a surge in new cases just as it did with any other countries that initially loosen covid restrictions, what makes me question this being race or politically motivated is the hypocrisy; people complained about China being oppressive when it was enforcing all the covid restrictions and when they loosen it “China doesn’t care about human lives”.\nSo what exactly do you want them to do?",
">\n\n\nto Require Negative Covid Tests for Travelers From China\n\nLuckily China is well known for its systemic unwillingness to fake or counterfeit things, so everything should be fine.\nhonest.",
">\n\nSeems purely retaliatory with no actual effectiveness.\nEnforcement is over a week away and presumably China has hit its peak already (flights being 40% positive)",
">\n\nThe rich rats are going to buy fake tests and jump ship breaking quarantine just like they did in the first wave. Cutting flights or enforcing quarantines is the only way to prevent this stuff from jumping oceans but god forbid anybody inhibit the jet setters.",
">\n\nHALF of the passengers on a plane from China going to Italy tested positive the other day (tested on arrival). Chances are most if not all of them had negative test results they could show that they took before they left. This won't do anything to stop people coming into the US while positive..we are going to have to go through this all over again and we won't have the same somewhat cooperative response in the US this time if it is a variant that evades immunity... It will get REALLY bad.",
">\n\nSeriously they know red states will just let them in and will never do another shut down again. So start dealt with out break countries this way to slow it down or corner it. But I see very very bad days ahead for China and Russia is starting to report out breaks too.",
">\n\nMust. When?",
">\n\nWe already require this from canada iirc\nEdit: i was wrong, canada requires it from us.",
">\n\nI hope we are talking PCR tests... those store-bought 15-minute ones struggle to get a positive if you have any sort of vaccination, even while symptomatic and miserable.",
">\n\nWell, a little bit of good news. I'll take it.",
">\n\nTravel should have been 100$ restricted a long time ago. Travel should be restricted to any country experiencing a COVID outbreak."
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Who's hating on Asians? We're trying to stop this virus from killing people.
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"People from China will travel through Europe and come in to America from the east coast like they did when the pandemic started. This will do nothing if all travelers aboard aren’t made to test.",
">\n\nLet's hope EU and other countries do the same.",
">\n\nI don't know if they will. Australia (for example) had some of the toughest Covid policies and they've essentially just thrown them all out the window.\nSo I don't know how willing countries are to go back to being overly concerned about Covid.",
">\n\nThey should be concerned w chinese, it's spreading like wildfire in china. If we aren't careful, they will come out w covid 20.",
">\n\nIt’s spreading everywhere including the USA. This policy has nothing to do with science or medicine. It’s just politics.",
">\n\nNo. It’s circulating like mad in a population of 1 billion people who haven’t been exposed before. This is how new variants come about. Every country should require negative Covid test for china at least until it cycles through the population",
">\n\n\nNo. It’s circulating like mad in a population of 1 billion people who haven’t been exposed before.\n\nIt's also spreading like mad in all the countries of the world including the USA.\n\nThis is how new variants come about. \n\nAnd they have been for years now.\n\nEvery country should require negative Covid test for china at least until it cycles through the population\n\nOnly for political reasons. There is no scientific or rational demand for this. \nI get it, you hate china, most americans hate china so just be honest and say what you really mean.",
">\n\nStrains are spreading in the west yes, but there are new strains in China that are spreading and we don't know if our vaccines will work with those strains. We know the Chinese vaccines have a low efficacy rate and we know they are not mRNA vaccines which allow for easier adaptation to new strains. Making travelers with a Chinese passport take Covid tests at any and all airports is not racist or even unfair - a reminder that China has been relatively hard to travel to for the last 2 years because they were locked down to foreign travel as well. This is simply good policy from a public health measure, and you not wanting to see that for what it is and instead attribute it to a nascent American hatred for China is laughable. the World Health Organization estimated close to 800 million new cases in China in the next few months, with another estimate 4 million deaths and countless new strains coming out during that period. This is about protection populations, not punishing China.",
">\n\n\nStrains are spreading in the west yes, but there are new strains in China that are spreading and we don't know if our vaccines will work with those strains.\n\nYou don't know if vaccines work against any new variant even if that variant is from a country populated with white people.\n\nWe know the Chinese vaccines have a low efficacy rate and we know they are not mRNA vaccines which allow for easier adaptation to new strains. \n\nThe vaccine doesn't adapt once inside of your body you know that right?\n\nMaking travelers with a Chinese passport take Covid tests at any and all airports is not racist or even unfair \n\nit's definitely unfair and probably racist as well.\n\nhis is simply good policy from a public health measure, a\n\nA good policy would be to require vaccinations from everybody. Think about it, you are requiring a vaccine that you said doesn't even work. How much sense does that make?\n\nattribute it to a nascent American hatred for China is laughable.\n\nNascent?\n\nThis is about protection populations, not punishing China.\n\nIt's definitely about punishing china, it's a part of the current cold war with China conducted by the USA.",
">\n\n\nYou don't know if vaccines work against any new variant even if that variant is from a country populated with white people.\n\nAll the more reason to not invite more new strains into the country. White population or otherwise has nothing to do with it, expected rise in cases in China does.\n\nThe vaccine doesn't adapt once inside of your body you know that right?\n\nYou missed the point. The point i was making was that the Chinese medical system has not even approached Covid with an mRNA vaccine, and steadfastly refused to license western vaccines. If the vaccine most readily available in China has a 50% efficacy then the population is at more risk of contracting the virus and having negative results. The infection rates are increased with each new case of BA.7 (China is currently seeing each covid patient infecting on average 18 other people represented as 1:18, whereas the in US the rate is 1:3.9). Each of these factors increases the risk of developing new strains that are vaccine resistant. \n\nit's definitely unfair and probably racist as well\n\nIs it your position that nations cannot take any prescriptive action to prevent the spread of infected persons from other countries? Again i would remind you that China has basically been locked down for the last 2 years, with severe limitations to personal freedoms themselves. This is not based on race, but rather a government's inability to contain a contagious outbreak in their own country and not wanting it to spread. \n\nA good policy would be to require vaccinations from everybody. Think about it, you are requiring a vaccine that you said doesn't even work. How much sense does that make?\n\nThat might be your definition on good policy, but it isn't mine and that isn't how the west does it. \"I\" am not requiring a vaccine that \"I\" said doesn't work - that was your suggestion not mine. Also, i said the efficacy of the Chinese vaccine is 50% - based on available information - i never said it didn't work, and i never said that it should be mandatory or required.\n\nNascent?\n\nPoor and wrong word choice on my part it seems. What i meant was ascribing the US decision to require testing of Chinese travelers to racism because you believe that the US is racist is laughable. Taking a test to prove that you are covid negative is far less onerous on a traveler than most visa requirements.\n\nIt's definitely about punishing china, it's a part of the current cold war with China conducted by the USA.\n\nCite your sources. I could point to many Chinese government policies that i could say are part of the current cold war with the US without backing it up and it would be just as credible as what you said. Opinion is not a source, and not proof. You assume that the US government is racist, that this policy is racist and yet we have had travel bans imposed on other countries, as well as testing required for travelers from other countries imposed before, and other policies and so has China. For goodness sake China has been closed to foreigners for almost 3 years, and is still closed to foreign travel until January 2023. Is that a racist policy as well?",
">\n\nHere we go again.\nThis time I think I'll learn French cooking.",
">\n\n5000 People a day will have to die before Anybody says the word Lock down in the States ever again.",
">\n\nDon’t understand why people can’t handle staying at home for two weeks when it could potentially eradicate a deadly virus. Are we that weak?",
">\n\nWe did that in large part in March 2020. And did China not spend years locking down their citizens? \nPeoples savings are gone. They need to work. \nWearing a mask would do a lot to help the issue but people aren’t willing to do that anymore.",
">\n\nWe didn't do that though. We didn't all lock down when we were supposed to. Where I work I had to go in from the very start all the way through. Most people, the majority of people, didn't stay home even if they didn't have work. Most people didn't fuck with masks or keeping a distance, and even people who weren't antivaccers didn't take the vaccine seriously for the longest time. \nWe had no fucking lock down, unless you were a well-off celebrity or comedian who wanted to talk about being locked down for content. \nIf people legit locked down, they would have taken a small hit financially, but too many people didn't do shit and prolonged everything.",
">\n\nThe things is that it doesn't take long to drain peoples saving - becuase the overwhelming majority of people have practically none. \nSo an extended lockdown was never feasible unless the government was willing to pay several trillion dollars of expenses, not just 2 or 3 times but several times over.",
">\n\nI didn't dispute any of what you said. I pointed out that most people actively contested any safety measure and most people didn't actually lock down. Any extension will almost certainly be the fault of most of those people. \nI'd gladly let them all die if it meant the few people who did take things seriously didn't have to live through a Walking Dead scenario or have to take a huge financial hit because them.",
">\n\nMost people did lock down just fine initially. After a few weeks turned into a month or more, yeah people got testy.\nAdditionally, a gigantic amount of people work in critical industries and simply cant stay home. Just keeping the lights and water on requires tens of millions of workers, plus industries like plants and refineries that simply cannot shut down without massive long-term consequences.\nReddit is full of office people who can WFH, the vast majority of people cant.",
">\n\nI was one of those who couldn't stay home. Right out of the gate most people gave up on almost all of it except when they were making a show of complying when they had to. There was a lot of cheating. I walk through a lot of different areas. The waves of patients and bodies we got at work tracked with that and became predictable.",
">\n\nWhat’s that saying that ends with ”…doomed to repeat it?”",
">\n\nWhy not just require a negative test from everyone?",
">\n\nWho would you expect to pay for that?",
">\n\nGovernments or sponsors from the private sector ideally, I honestly don’t give a fuck. I’ve gotten many free tests from both and I’ve also bought some for like $8.",
">\n\n“Here we go again” from everyone in the comments. \nThe virus never stopped, we did.",
">\n\nVirus will always be there. Permanent restrictions are unsustainable",
">\n\n3 years later...\nIs this permanent?",
">\n\nI doubt there's anything that would make Republicans running in 2024 happier then Democrats advocating for a return to COVID restrictions.",
">\n\nRight? It’d be like the democrats fighting for gun control, or gay and trans rights, or safe and legal abortions. It would be political suicide to stand for something that Republicans don’t like!",
">\n\nMy understanding is that everything you listed is broadly popular or has at least a majority of American's in favor of it. A return to COVID restrictions is not in that category.",
">\n\nGun control isn’t even universally loved amongst the American left, as the hard left needs them for protection from the hard right they clash with, and the middle left does like having their guns taken as much as any middle right wing does, only mid left likes it",
">\n\nGallup has 57% of Americans feeling that in general gun laws should be more strict.",
">\n\nRegular people want kids to stop dying while in school. The problem is \"stricter laws\" is vague and no one can agree on what it means or give a serious proposal that would work, short of confiscation and bans, which are wildly unpopular.",
">\n\nVague political talking points is the best we’re going to get. Much as I’d love a Ross Perot style of breaking down every platform and promise, the general public doesn’t go for it. Buzz words are all we have the attention span for.",
">\n\nChina's COVID-19 surge raises odds of new coronavirus variants\nThings could get very ugly.",
">\n\nYou say this like covid hasn't been spreading rampantly through literally every country on the planet, mostly without any measures to stop the spread. Why does China get a different treatment and maybe countries should require tests from the US or Inida or Europe?",
">\n\nI agree. US was primarily the culprit of why COVID went rampant to begin with. We actively refused to enforce any sort of safety measures, just a mild suggestion of \"maybe wear a mask, if you want to, it's ok if you don't\" and \"we have vaccines if you want one, no pressure tho\". That was really our response to the world's deadliest pandemic.",
">\n\nWe actively made fun of zero covid approaches on reddit and now based on the comments on this thread we are suddenly pro “zero covid” approaches",
">\n\nEveryone finally watched contagion",
">\n\nSo far my 2023 bingo card is reading alooot of skull and crossbones, I think I might actually win at something next year, what does your score card look like?",
">\n\nWhen’s that $1200 going to hit my account?",
">\n\nI’m still living off mine from last time!",
">\n\nI’m still looking for mine",
">\n\nI’m waiting for that $600 bucks from Biden still, but that’s going right into my retirement!",
">\n\nYou dont get he meant to include any money you already received as well /s",
">\n\nI seem to remember campaign ads with $2000 checks.",
">\n\nYep they explicitly mentioned $2,000 checks.",
">\n\nMy comment was sarcasm but in retrospect there are so many neoliberals saying that word for word in all seriousness that I should and will add a sarcasm tag",
">\n\nThat's nice and all, but let's not act like we're not just ignoring our own COVID problems.",
">\n\n\n\"You don't have zero tolerance anymore? We can't tolerate that.\"\n\n- Country with 100% tolerance",
">\n\nWhy not require a negative COVID test from everyone entering the country? It’s like they don’t want COVID to be under control.",
">\n\nI think this is because China has a relatively low vaccination rate because they relied on lock downs. Now that lock downs are being ramped down, they are having a huge surge.",
">\n\nThe vaccination rate in China is considerably higher than the US (92% vs 81%). This is just another example of yellow peril",
">\n\nThank you for pointing this out. What I said above was wrong about the vaccination rate. I don’t know why exactly China is having a surge. 🤷♂️",
">\n\nTheir vaccination rate is high but their vaccine, SinoVac is based on old tech. It conveys effectively zero protection from variants when compared to all the other types of vaccines on the market.",
">\n\nYou guys are so full of shit. At 3 doses Sinovac gives the same protection as any western vaccine with boosters to help mitigate mutated variants. Stop spreading misinfo.",
">\n\n\"Does that thumbnail of someone getting tested read too much like 'screaming uselessly into the void'?\"\n\"I'm sure it'll be fine.\"",
">\n\nMaybe, just maybe they shouldnt have stopped testing airplane passengers in the first place... \nWe have cheap, readily available tests that take 10 minutes to complete. There’s really no reason not to test ever passenger before boarding...",
">\n\nEveryone I know who had Omicron tested negative until their symptoms cleared. It was evading the RATs, for some reason.",
">\n\nI tested positive on a rapid test two days after getting congested. Every teacher coworker of mine who bothered to test after getting cold symptoms also did. I think it's why so few parents now test their kids before sending time to school sick. They don't want to know so we all find out when we or our family members then test positive, missing work on their sick kids' behalf so they didn't have to. \nI have also heard the rapid test can give false negatives but anecdotal references don't mean much.",
">\n\nA day late and a dollar short. Same old song and dance.",
">\n\nWow, it’s like history literally repeating itself.",
">\n\nIndeed it is. I hope everyone is prepared for what’s next.",
">\n\nWe should require negative COVID tests for people to fly within the US, too.\nIt makes no difference to me if the person who infects me at LAX is coming in from China, or from Texas.",
">\n\nThere is a high chance anyone that comes from China has Covid right now. Low chance that someone inside America has.",
">\n\nNaw. China’s percent is much higher, sure, but it’s not like US infection rates are low. You can pretty much guarantee an infected American on every sold out domestic flight. The latest variants are super, super contagious, and it only takes one infected person to pose a serious risk to the other people sharing their space, and then all of their families and friends after they land. All flights should still require testing and masking at this point, or all we’ve really accomplished is pacifying the dimwits and xenophobes.\nI know at least 3 people who 100% contracted COVID while flying domestically in the US this last month - because they were isolated for the incubation period beforehand. They were masked the entire time they were in the airport and on the plane.",
">\n\nIf they were masked up and I assume vaccinated and still caught the virus then preventable measures like these aren’t that effective.",
">\n\nIs there a new strain of Covid that isn't in the U.S yet, otherwise what's the point.",
">\n\nUm testing should not ever stop.",
">\n\nAh shit here we go again",
">\n\n\"Who left the fridge open?\"",
">\n\nIt's \"just a cold\" unless it's a non-white person from another country carrying it.\n/s",
">\n\nChina implemented an ineffective vaccine and had 30m+ cases in one day. It’s specifically that gov. refusing to use effective vaccines",
">\n\nAnd the United States had effective vaccines that half the country is not willing to nor willing to wear masks, while complaining to other countries like China about their travel restrictions (from China and Hong Kong). And honestly I’m not oppose to a tighter restriction on China while they are experiencing a surge in new cases just as it did with any other countries that initially loosen covid restrictions, what makes me question this being race or politically motivated is the hypocrisy; people complained about China being oppressive when it was enforcing all the covid restrictions and when they loosen it “China doesn’t care about human lives”.\nSo what exactly do you want them to do?",
">\n\n\nto Require Negative Covid Tests for Travelers From China\n\nLuckily China is well known for its systemic unwillingness to fake or counterfeit things, so everything should be fine.\nhonest.",
">\n\nSeems purely retaliatory with no actual effectiveness.\nEnforcement is over a week away and presumably China has hit its peak already (flights being 40% positive)",
">\n\nThe rich rats are going to buy fake tests and jump ship breaking quarantine just like they did in the first wave. Cutting flights or enforcing quarantines is the only way to prevent this stuff from jumping oceans but god forbid anybody inhibit the jet setters.",
">\n\nHALF of the passengers on a plane from China going to Italy tested positive the other day (tested on arrival). Chances are most if not all of them had negative test results they could show that they took before they left. This won't do anything to stop people coming into the US while positive..we are going to have to go through this all over again and we won't have the same somewhat cooperative response in the US this time if it is a variant that evades immunity... It will get REALLY bad.",
">\n\nSeriously they know red states will just let them in and will never do another shut down again. So start dealt with out break countries this way to slow it down or corner it. But I see very very bad days ahead for China and Russia is starting to report out breaks too.",
">\n\nMust. When?",
">\n\nWe already require this from canada iirc\nEdit: i was wrong, canada requires it from us.",
">\n\nI hope we are talking PCR tests... those store-bought 15-minute ones struggle to get a positive if you have any sort of vaccination, even while symptomatic and miserable.",
">\n\nWell, a little bit of good news. I'll take it.",
">\n\nTravel should have been 100$ restricted a long time ago. Travel should be restricted to any country experiencing a COVID outbreak.",
">\n\nWonderful. Another round of Asian hating."
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or… ban flights from china??
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"People from China will travel through Europe and come in to America from the east coast like they did when the pandemic started. This will do nothing if all travelers aboard aren’t made to test.",
">\n\nLet's hope EU and other countries do the same.",
">\n\nI don't know if they will. Australia (for example) had some of the toughest Covid policies and they've essentially just thrown them all out the window.\nSo I don't know how willing countries are to go back to being overly concerned about Covid.",
">\n\nThey should be concerned w chinese, it's spreading like wildfire in china. If we aren't careful, they will come out w covid 20.",
">\n\nIt’s spreading everywhere including the USA. This policy has nothing to do with science or medicine. It’s just politics.",
">\n\nNo. It’s circulating like mad in a population of 1 billion people who haven’t been exposed before. This is how new variants come about. Every country should require negative Covid test for china at least until it cycles through the population",
">\n\n\nNo. It’s circulating like mad in a population of 1 billion people who haven’t been exposed before.\n\nIt's also spreading like mad in all the countries of the world including the USA.\n\nThis is how new variants come about. \n\nAnd they have been for years now.\n\nEvery country should require negative Covid test for china at least until it cycles through the population\n\nOnly for political reasons. There is no scientific or rational demand for this. \nI get it, you hate china, most americans hate china so just be honest and say what you really mean.",
">\n\nStrains are spreading in the west yes, but there are new strains in China that are spreading and we don't know if our vaccines will work with those strains. We know the Chinese vaccines have a low efficacy rate and we know they are not mRNA vaccines which allow for easier adaptation to new strains. Making travelers with a Chinese passport take Covid tests at any and all airports is not racist or even unfair - a reminder that China has been relatively hard to travel to for the last 2 years because they were locked down to foreign travel as well. This is simply good policy from a public health measure, and you not wanting to see that for what it is and instead attribute it to a nascent American hatred for China is laughable. the World Health Organization estimated close to 800 million new cases in China in the next few months, with another estimate 4 million deaths and countless new strains coming out during that period. This is about protection populations, not punishing China.",
">\n\n\nStrains are spreading in the west yes, but there are new strains in China that are spreading and we don't know if our vaccines will work with those strains.\n\nYou don't know if vaccines work against any new variant even if that variant is from a country populated with white people.\n\nWe know the Chinese vaccines have a low efficacy rate and we know they are not mRNA vaccines which allow for easier adaptation to new strains. \n\nThe vaccine doesn't adapt once inside of your body you know that right?\n\nMaking travelers with a Chinese passport take Covid tests at any and all airports is not racist or even unfair \n\nit's definitely unfair and probably racist as well.\n\nhis is simply good policy from a public health measure, a\n\nA good policy would be to require vaccinations from everybody. Think about it, you are requiring a vaccine that you said doesn't even work. How much sense does that make?\n\nattribute it to a nascent American hatred for China is laughable.\n\nNascent?\n\nThis is about protection populations, not punishing China.\n\nIt's definitely about punishing china, it's a part of the current cold war with China conducted by the USA.",
">\n\n\nYou don't know if vaccines work against any new variant even if that variant is from a country populated with white people.\n\nAll the more reason to not invite more new strains into the country. White population or otherwise has nothing to do with it, expected rise in cases in China does.\n\nThe vaccine doesn't adapt once inside of your body you know that right?\n\nYou missed the point. The point i was making was that the Chinese medical system has not even approached Covid with an mRNA vaccine, and steadfastly refused to license western vaccines. If the vaccine most readily available in China has a 50% efficacy then the population is at more risk of contracting the virus and having negative results. The infection rates are increased with each new case of BA.7 (China is currently seeing each covid patient infecting on average 18 other people represented as 1:18, whereas the in US the rate is 1:3.9). Each of these factors increases the risk of developing new strains that are vaccine resistant. \n\nit's definitely unfair and probably racist as well\n\nIs it your position that nations cannot take any prescriptive action to prevent the spread of infected persons from other countries? Again i would remind you that China has basically been locked down for the last 2 years, with severe limitations to personal freedoms themselves. This is not based on race, but rather a government's inability to contain a contagious outbreak in their own country and not wanting it to spread. \n\nA good policy would be to require vaccinations from everybody. Think about it, you are requiring a vaccine that you said doesn't even work. How much sense does that make?\n\nThat might be your definition on good policy, but it isn't mine and that isn't how the west does it. \"I\" am not requiring a vaccine that \"I\" said doesn't work - that was your suggestion not mine. Also, i said the efficacy of the Chinese vaccine is 50% - based on available information - i never said it didn't work, and i never said that it should be mandatory or required.\n\nNascent?\n\nPoor and wrong word choice on my part it seems. What i meant was ascribing the US decision to require testing of Chinese travelers to racism because you believe that the US is racist is laughable. Taking a test to prove that you are covid negative is far less onerous on a traveler than most visa requirements.\n\nIt's definitely about punishing china, it's a part of the current cold war with China conducted by the USA.\n\nCite your sources. I could point to many Chinese government policies that i could say are part of the current cold war with the US without backing it up and it would be just as credible as what you said. Opinion is not a source, and not proof. You assume that the US government is racist, that this policy is racist and yet we have had travel bans imposed on other countries, as well as testing required for travelers from other countries imposed before, and other policies and so has China. For goodness sake China has been closed to foreigners for almost 3 years, and is still closed to foreign travel until January 2023. Is that a racist policy as well?",
">\n\nHere we go again.\nThis time I think I'll learn French cooking.",
">\n\n5000 People a day will have to die before Anybody says the word Lock down in the States ever again.",
">\n\nDon’t understand why people can’t handle staying at home for two weeks when it could potentially eradicate a deadly virus. Are we that weak?",
">\n\nWe did that in large part in March 2020. And did China not spend years locking down their citizens? \nPeoples savings are gone. They need to work. \nWearing a mask would do a lot to help the issue but people aren’t willing to do that anymore.",
">\n\nWe didn't do that though. We didn't all lock down when we were supposed to. Where I work I had to go in from the very start all the way through. Most people, the majority of people, didn't stay home even if they didn't have work. Most people didn't fuck with masks or keeping a distance, and even people who weren't antivaccers didn't take the vaccine seriously for the longest time. \nWe had no fucking lock down, unless you were a well-off celebrity or comedian who wanted to talk about being locked down for content. \nIf people legit locked down, they would have taken a small hit financially, but too many people didn't do shit and prolonged everything.",
">\n\nThe things is that it doesn't take long to drain peoples saving - becuase the overwhelming majority of people have practically none. \nSo an extended lockdown was never feasible unless the government was willing to pay several trillion dollars of expenses, not just 2 or 3 times but several times over.",
">\n\nI didn't dispute any of what you said. I pointed out that most people actively contested any safety measure and most people didn't actually lock down. Any extension will almost certainly be the fault of most of those people. \nI'd gladly let them all die if it meant the few people who did take things seriously didn't have to live through a Walking Dead scenario or have to take a huge financial hit because them.",
">\n\nMost people did lock down just fine initially. After a few weeks turned into a month or more, yeah people got testy.\nAdditionally, a gigantic amount of people work in critical industries and simply cant stay home. Just keeping the lights and water on requires tens of millions of workers, plus industries like plants and refineries that simply cannot shut down without massive long-term consequences.\nReddit is full of office people who can WFH, the vast majority of people cant.",
">\n\nI was one of those who couldn't stay home. Right out of the gate most people gave up on almost all of it except when they were making a show of complying when they had to. There was a lot of cheating. I walk through a lot of different areas. The waves of patients and bodies we got at work tracked with that and became predictable.",
">\n\nWhat’s that saying that ends with ”…doomed to repeat it?”",
">\n\nWhy not just require a negative test from everyone?",
">\n\nWho would you expect to pay for that?",
">\n\nGovernments or sponsors from the private sector ideally, I honestly don’t give a fuck. I’ve gotten many free tests from both and I’ve also bought some for like $8.",
">\n\n“Here we go again” from everyone in the comments. \nThe virus never stopped, we did.",
">\n\nVirus will always be there. Permanent restrictions are unsustainable",
">\n\n3 years later...\nIs this permanent?",
">\n\nI doubt there's anything that would make Republicans running in 2024 happier then Democrats advocating for a return to COVID restrictions.",
">\n\nRight? It’d be like the democrats fighting for gun control, or gay and trans rights, or safe and legal abortions. It would be political suicide to stand for something that Republicans don’t like!",
">\n\nMy understanding is that everything you listed is broadly popular or has at least a majority of American's in favor of it. A return to COVID restrictions is not in that category.",
">\n\nGun control isn’t even universally loved amongst the American left, as the hard left needs them for protection from the hard right they clash with, and the middle left does like having their guns taken as much as any middle right wing does, only mid left likes it",
">\n\nGallup has 57% of Americans feeling that in general gun laws should be more strict.",
">\n\nRegular people want kids to stop dying while in school. The problem is \"stricter laws\" is vague and no one can agree on what it means or give a serious proposal that would work, short of confiscation and bans, which are wildly unpopular.",
">\n\nVague political talking points is the best we’re going to get. Much as I’d love a Ross Perot style of breaking down every platform and promise, the general public doesn’t go for it. Buzz words are all we have the attention span for.",
">\n\nChina's COVID-19 surge raises odds of new coronavirus variants\nThings could get very ugly.",
">\n\nYou say this like covid hasn't been spreading rampantly through literally every country on the planet, mostly without any measures to stop the spread. Why does China get a different treatment and maybe countries should require tests from the US or Inida or Europe?",
">\n\nI agree. US was primarily the culprit of why COVID went rampant to begin with. We actively refused to enforce any sort of safety measures, just a mild suggestion of \"maybe wear a mask, if you want to, it's ok if you don't\" and \"we have vaccines if you want one, no pressure tho\". That was really our response to the world's deadliest pandemic.",
">\n\nWe actively made fun of zero covid approaches on reddit and now based on the comments on this thread we are suddenly pro “zero covid” approaches",
">\n\nEveryone finally watched contagion",
">\n\nSo far my 2023 bingo card is reading alooot of skull and crossbones, I think I might actually win at something next year, what does your score card look like?",
">\n\nWhen’s that $1200 going to hit my account?",
">\n\nI’m still living off mine from last time!",
">\n\nI’m still looking for mine",
">\n\nI’m waiting for that $600 bucks from Biden still, but that’s going right into my retirement!",
">\n\nYou dont get he meant to include any money you already received as well /s",
">\n\nI seem to remember campaign ads with $2000 checks.",
">\n\nYep they explicitly mentioned $2,000 checks.",
">\n\nMy comment was sarcasm but in retrospect there are so many neoliberals saying that word for word in all seriousness that I should and will add a sarcasm tag",
">\n\nThat's nice and all, but let's not act like we're not just ignoring our own COVID problems.",
">\n\n\n\"You don't have zero tolerance anymore? We can't tolerate that.\"\n\n- Country with 100% tolerance",
">\n\nWhy not require a negative COVID test from everyone entering the country? It’s like they don’t want COVID to be under control.",
">\n\nI think this is because China has a relatively low vaccination rate because they relied on lock downs. Now that lock downs are being ramped down, they are having a huge surge.",
">\n\nThe vaccination rate in China is considerably higher than the US (92% vs 81%). This is just another example of yellow peril",
">\n\nThank you for pointing this out. What I said above was wrong about the vaccination rate. I don’t know why exactly China is having a surge. 🤷♂️",
">\n\nTheir vaccination rate is high but their vaccine, SinoVac is based on old tech. It conveys effectively zero protection from variants when compared to all the other types of vaccines on the market.",
">\n\nYou guys are so full of shit. At 3 doses Sinovac gives the same protection as any western vaccine with boosters to help mitigate mutated variants. Stop spreading misinfo.",
">\n\n\"Does that thumbnail of someone getting tested read too much like 'screaming uselessly into the void'?\"\n\"I'm sure it'll be fine.\"",
">\n\nMaybe, just maybe they shouldnt have stopped testing airplane passengers in the first place... \nWe have cheap, readily available tests that take 10 minutes to complete. There’s really no reason not to test ever passenger before boarding...",
">\n\nEveryone I know who had Omicron tested negative until their symptoms cleared. It was evading the RATs, for some reason.",
">\n\nI tested positive on a rapid test two days after getting congested. Every teacher coworker of mine who bothered to test after getting cold symptoms also did. I think it's why so few parents now test their kids before sending time to school sick. They don't want to know so we all find out when we or our family members then test positive, missing work on their sick kids' behalf so they didn't have to. \nI have also heard the rapid test can give false negatives but anecdotal references don't mean much.",
">\n\nA day late and a dollar short. Same old song and dance.",
">\n\nWow, it’s like history literally repeating itself.",
">\n\nIndeed it is. I hope everyone is prepared for what’s next.",
">\n\nWe should require negative COVID tests for people to fly within the US, too.\nIt makes no difference to me if the person who infects me at LAX is coming in from China, or from Texas.",
">\n\nThere is a high chance anyone that comes from China has Covid right now. Low chance that someone inside America has.",
">\n\nNaw. China’s percent is much higher, sure, but it’s not like US infection rates are low. You can pretty much guarantee an infected American on every sold out domestic flight. The latest variants are super, super contagious, and it only takes one infected person to pose a serious risk to the other people sharing their space, and then all of their families and friends after they land. All flights should still require testing and masking at this point, or all we’ve really accomplished is pacifying the dimwits and xenophobes.\nI know at least 3 people who 100% contracted COVID while flying domestically in the US this last month - because they were isolated for the incubation period beforehand. They were masked the entire time they were in the airport and on the plane.",
">\n\nIf they were masked up and I assume vaccinated and still caught the virus then preventable measures like these aren’t that effective.",
">\n\nIs there a new strain of Covid that isn't in the U.S yet, otherwise what's the point.",
">\n\nUm testing should not ever stop.",
">\n\nAh shit here we go again",
">\n\n\"Who left the fridge open?\"",
">\n\nIt's \"just a cold\" unless it's a non-white person from another country carrying it.\n/s",
">\n\nChina implemented an ineffective vaccine and had 30m+ cases in one day. It’s specifically that gov. refusing to use effective vaccines",
">\n\nAnd the United States had effective vaccines that half the country is not willing to nor willing to wear masks, while complaining to other countries like China about their travel restrictions (from China and Hong Kong). And honestly I’m not oppose to a tighter restriction on China while they are experiencing a surge in new cases just as it did with any other countries that initially loosen covid restrictions, what makes me question this being race or politically motivated is the hypocrisy; people complained about China being oppressive when it was enforcing all the covid restrictions and when they loosen it “China doesn’t care about human lives”.\nSo what exactly do you want them to do?",
">\n\n\nto Require Negative Covid Tests for Travelers From China\n\nLuckily China is well known for its systemic unwillingness to fake or counterfeit things, so everything should be fine.\nhonest.",
">\n\nSeems purely retaliatory with no actual effectiveness.\nEnforcement is over a week away and presumably China has hit its peak already (flights being 40% positive)",
">\n\nThe rich rats are going to buy fake tests and jump ship breaking quarantine just like they did in the first wave. Cutting flights or enforcing quarantines is the only way to prevent this stuff from jumping oceans but god forbid anybody inhibit the jet setters.",
">\n\nHALF of the passengers on a plane from China going to Italy tested positive the other day (tested on arrival). Chances are most if not all of them had negative test results they could show that they took before they left. This won't do anything to stop people coming into the US while positive..we are going to have to go through this all over again and we won't have the same somewhat cooperative response in the US this time if it is a variant that evades immunity... It will get REALLY bad.",
">\n\nSeriously they know red states will just let them in and will never do another shut down again. So start dealt with out break countries this way to slow it down or corner it. But I see very very bad days ahead for China and Russia is starting to report out breaks too.",
">\n\nMust. When?",
">\n\nWe already require this from canada iirc\nEdit: i was wrong, canada requires it from us.",
">\n\nI hope we are talking PCR tests... those store-bought 15-minute ones struggle to get a positive if you have any sort of vaccination, even while symptomatic and miserable.",
">\n\nWell, a little bit of good news. I'll take it.",
">\n\nTravel should have been 100$ restricted a long time ago. Travel should be restricted to any country experiencing a COVID outbreak.",
">\n\nWonderful. Another round of Asian hating.",
">\n\nWho's hating on Asians? We're trying to stop this virus from killing people."
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Doesn’t make sense in singling out China when covid is widespread in every single country
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"People from China will travel through Europe and come in to America from the east coast like they did when the pandemic started. This will do nothing if all travelers aboard aren’t made to test.",
">\n\nLet's hope EU and other countries do the same.",
">\n\nI don't know if they will. Australia (for example) had some of the toughest Covid policies and they've essentially just thrown them all out the window.\nSo I don't know how willing countries are to go back to being overly concerned about Covid.",
">\n\nThey should be concerned w chinese, it's spreading like wildfire in china. If we aren't careful, they will come out w covid 20.",
">\n\nIt’s spreading everywhere including the USA. This policy has nothing to do with science or medicine. It’s just politics.",
">\n\nNo. It’s circulating like mad in a population of 1 billion people who haven’t been exposed before. This is how new variants come about. Every country should require negative Covid test for china at least until it cycles through the population",
">\n\n\nNo. It’s circulating like mad in a population of 1 billion people who haven’t been exposed before.\n\nIt's also spreading like mad in all the countries of the world including the USA.\n\nThis is how new variants come about. \n\nAnd they have been for years now.\n\nEvery country should require negative Covid test for china at least until it cycles through the population\n\nOnly for political reasons. There is no scientific or rational demand for this. \nI get it, you hate china, most americans hate china so just be honest and say what you really mean.",
">\n\nStrains are spreading in the west yes, but there are new strains in China that are spreading and we don't know if our vaccines will work with those strains. We know the Chinese vaccines have a low efficacy rate and we know they are not mRNA vaccines which allow for easier adaptation to new strains. Making travelers with a Chinese passport take Covid tests at any and all airports is not racist or even unfair - a reminder that China has been relatively hard to travel to for the last 2 years because they were locked down to foreign travel as well. This is simply good policy from a public health measure, and you not wanting to see that for what it is and instead attribute it to a nascent American hatred for China is laughable. the World Health Organization estimated close to 800 million new cases in China in the next few months, with another estimate 4 million deaths and countless new strains coming out during that period. This is about protection populations, not punishing China.",
">\n\n\nStrains are spreading in the west yes, but there are new strains in China that are spreading and we don't know if our vaccines will work with those strains.\n\nYou don't know if vaccines work against any new variant even if that variant is from a country populated with white people.\n\nWe know the Chinese vaccines have a low efficacy rate and we know they are not mRNA vaccines which allow for easier adaptation to new strains. \n\nThe vaccine doesn't adapt once inside of your body you know that right?\n\nMaking travelers with a Chinese passport take Covid tests at any and all airports is not racist or even unfair \n\nit's definitely unfair and probably racist as well.\n\nhis is simply good policy from a public health measure, a\n\nA good policy would be to require vaccinations from everybody. Think about it, you are requiring a vaccine that you said doesn't even work. How much sense does that make?\n\nattribute it to a nascent American hatred for China is laughable.\n\nNascent?\n\nThis is about protection populations, not punishing China.\n\nIt's definitely about punishing china, it's a part of the current cold war with China conducted by the USA.",
">\n\n\nYou don't know if vaccines work against any new variant even if that variant is from a country populated with white people.\n\nAll the more reason to not invite more new strains into the country. White population or otherwise has nothing to do with it, expected rise in cases in China does.\n\nThe vaccine doesn't adapt once inside of your body you know that right?\n\nYou missed the point. The point i was making was that the Chinese medical system has not even approached Covid with an mRNA vaccine, and steadfastly refused to license western vaccines. If the vaccine most readily available in China has a 50% efficacy then the population is at more risk of contracting the virus and having negative results. The infection rates are increased with each new case of BA.7 (China is currently seeing each covid patient infecting on average 18 other people represented as 1:18, whereas the in US the rate is 1:3.9). Each of these factors increases the risk of developing new strains that are vaccine resistant. \n\nit's definitely unfair and probably racist as well\n\nIs it your position that nations cannot take any prescriptive action to prevent the spread of infected persons from other countries? Again i would remind you that China has basically been locked down for the last 2 years, with severe limitations to personal freedoms themselves. This is not based on race, but rather a government's inability to contain a contagious outbreak in their own country and not wanting it to spread. \n\nA good policy would be to require vaccinations from everybody. Think about it, you are requiring a vaccine that you said doesn't even work. How much sense does that make?\n\nThat might be your definition on good policy, but it isn't mine and that isn't how the west does it. \"I\" am not requiring a vaccine that \"I\" said doesn't work - that was your suggestion not mine. Also, i said the efficacy of the Chinese vaccine is 50% - based on available information - i never said it didn't work, and i never said that it should be mandatory or required.\n\nNascent?\n\nPoor and wrong word choice on my part it seems. What i meant was ascribing the US decision to require testing of Chinese travelers to racism because you believe that the US is racist is laughable. Taking a test to prove that you are covid negative is far less onerous on a traveler than most visa requirements.\n\nIt's definitely about punishing china, it's a part of the current cold war with China conducted by the USA.\n\nCite your sources. I could point to many Chinese government policies that i could say are part of the current cold war with the US without backing it up and it would be just as credible as what you said. Opinion is not a source, and not proof. You assume that the US government is racist, that this policy is racist and yet we have had travel bans imposed on other countries, as well as testing required for travelers from other countries imposed before, and other policies and so has China. For goodness sake China has been closed to foreigners for almost 3 years, and is still closed to foreign travel until January 2023. Is that a racist policy as well?",
">\n\nHere we go again.\nThis time I think I'll learn French cooking.",
">\n\n5000 People a day will have to die before Anybody says the word Lock down in the States ever again.",
">\n\nDon’t understand why people can’t handle staying at home for two weeks when it could potentially eradicate a deadly virus. Are we that weak?",
">\n\nWe did that in large part in March 2020. And did China not spend years locking down their citizens? \nPeoples savings are gone. They need to work. \nWearing a mask would do a lot to help the issue but people aren’t willing to do that anymore.",
">\n\nWe didn't do that though. We didn't all lock down when we were supposed to. Where I work I had to go in from the very start all the way through. Most people, the majority of people, didn't stay home even if they didn't have work. Most people didn't fuck with masks or keeping a distance, and even people who weren't antivaccers didn't take the vaccine seriously for the longest time. \nWe had no fucking lock down, unless you were a well-off celebrity or comedian who wanted to talk about being locked down for content. \nIf people legit locked down, they would have taken a small hit financially, but too many people didn't do shit and prolonged everything.",
">\n\nThe things is that it doesn't take long to drain peoples saving - becuase the overwhelming majority of people have practically none. \nSo an extended lockdown was never feasible unless the government was willing to pay several trillion dollars of expenses, not just 2 or 3 times but several times over.",
">\n\nI didn't dispute any of what you said. I pointed out that most people actively contested any safety measure and most people didn't actually lock down. Any extension will almost certainly be the fault of most of those people. \nI'd gladly let them all die if it meant the few people who did take things seriously didn't have to live through a Walking Dead scenario or have to take a huge financial hit because them.",
">\n\nMost people did lock down just fine initially. After a few weeks turned into a month or more, yeah people got testy.\nAdditionally, a gigantic amount of people work in critical industries and simply cant stay home. Just keeping the lights and water on requires tens of millions of workers, plus industries like plants and refineries that simply cannot shut down without massive long-term consequences.\nReddit is full of office people who can WFH, the vast majority of people cant.",
">\n\nI was one of those who couldn't stay home. Right out of the gate most people gave up on almost all of it except when they were making a show of complying when they had to. There was a lot of cheating. I walk through a lot of different areas. The waves of patients and bodies we got at work tracked with that and became predictable.",
">\n\nWhat’s that saying that ends with ”…doomed to repeat it?”",
">\n\nWhy not just require a negative test from everyone?",
">\n\nWho would you expect to pay for that?",
">\n\nGovernments or sponsors from the private sector ideally, I honestly don’t give a fuck. I’ve gotten many free tests from both and I’ve also bought some for like $8.",
">\n\n“Here we go again” from everyone in the comments. \nThe virus never stopped, we did.",
">\n\nVirus will always be there. Permanent restrictions are unsustainable",
">\n\n3 years later...\nIs this permanent?",
">\n\nI doubt there's anything that would make Republicans running in 2024 happier then Democrats advocating for a return to COVID restrictions.",
">\n\nRight? It’d be like the democrats fighting for gun control, or gay and trans rights, or safe and legal abortions. It would be political suicide to stand for something that Republicans don’t like!",
">\n\nMy understanding is that everything you listed is broadly popular or has at least a majority of American's in favor of it. A return to COVID restrictions is not in that category.",
">\n\nGun control isn’t even universally loved amongst the American left, as the hard left needs them for protection from the hard right they clash with, and the middle left does like having their guns taken as much as any middle right wing does, only mid left likes it",
">\n\nGallup has 57% of Americans feeling that in general gun laws should be more strict.",
">\n\nRegular people want kids to stop dying while in school. The problem is \"stricter laws\" is vague and no one can agree on what it means or give a serious proposal that would work, short of confiscation and bans, which are wildly unpopular.",
">\n\nVague political talking points is the best we’re going to get. Much as I’d love a Ross Perot style of breaking down every platform and promise, the general public doesn’t go for it. Buzz words are all we have the attention span for.",
">\n\nChina's COVID-19 surge raises odds of new coronavirus variants\nThings could get very ugly.",
">\n\nYou say this like covid hasn't been spreading rampantly through literally every country on the planet, mostly without any measures to stop the spread. Why does China get a different treatment and maybe countries should require tests from the US or Inida or Europe?",
">\n\nI agree. US was primarily the culprit of why COVID went rampant to begin with. We actively refused to enforce any sort of safety measures, just a mild suggestion of \"maybe wear a mask, if you want to, it's ok if you don't\" and \"we have vaccines if you want one, no pressure tho\". That was really our response to the world's deadliest pandemic.",
">\n\nWe actively made fun of zero covid approaches on reddit and now based on the comments on this thread we are suddenly pro “zero covid” approaches",
">\n\nEveryone finally watched contagion",
">\n\nSo far my 2023 bingo card is reading alooot of skull and crossbones, I think I might actually win at something next year, what does your score card look like?",
">\n\nWhen’s that $1200 going to hit my account?",
">\n\nI’m still living off mine from last time!",
">\n\nI’m still looking for mine",
">\n\nI’m waiting for that $600 bucks from Biden still, but that’s going right into my retirement!",
">\n\nYou dont get he meant to include any money you already received as well /s",
">\n\nI seem to remember campaign ads with $2000 checks.",
">\n\nYep they explicitly mentioned $2,000 checks.",
">\n\nMy comment was sarcasm but in retrospect there are so many neoliberals saying that word for word in all seriousness that I should and will add a sarcasm tag",
">\n\nThat's nice and all, but let's not act like we're not just ignoring our own COVID problems.",
">\n\n\n\"You don't have zero tolerance anymore? We can't tolerate that.\"\n\n- Country with 100% tolerance",
">\n\nWhy not require a negative COVID test from everyone entering the country? It’s like they don’t want COVID to be under control.",
">\n\nI think this is because China has a relatively low vaccination rate because they relied on lock downs. Now that lock downs are being ramped down, they are having a huge surge.",
">\n\nThe vaccination rate in China is considerably higher than the US (92% vs 81%). This is just another example of yellow peril",
">\n\nThank you for pointing this out. What I said above was wrong about the vaccination rate. I don’t know why exactly China is having a surge. 🤷♂️",
">\n\nTheir vaccination rate is high but their vaccine, SinoVac is based on old tech. It conveys effectively zero protection from variants when compared to all the other types of vaccines on the market.",
">\n\nYou guys are so full of shit. At 3 doses Sinovac gives the same protection as any western vaccine with boosters to help mitigate mutated variants. Stop spreading misinfo.",
">\n\n\"Does that thumbnail of someone getting tested read too much like 'screaming uselessly into the void'?\"\n\"I'm sure it'll be fine.\"",
">\n\nMaybe, just maybe they shouldnt have stopped testing airplane passengers in the first place... \nWe have cheap, readily available tests that take 10 minutes to complete. There’s really no reason not to test ever passenger before boarding...",
">\n\nEveryone I know who had Omicron tested negative until their symptoms cleared. It was evading the RATs, for some reason.",
">\n\nI tested positive on a rapid test two days after getting congested. Every teacher coworker of mine who bothered to test after getting cold symptoms also did. I think it's why so few parents now test their kids before sending time to school sick. They don't want to know so we all find out when we or our family members then test positive, missing work on their sick kids' behalf so they didn't have to. \nI have also heard the rapid test can give false negatives but anecdotal references don't mean much.",
">\n\nA day late and a dollar short. Same old song and dance.",
">\n\nWow, it’s like history literally repeating itself.",
">\n\nIndeed it is. I hope everyone is prepared for what’s next.",
">\n\nWe should require negative COVID tests for people to fly within the US, too.\nIt makes no difference to me if the person who infects me at LAX is coming in from China, or from Texas.",
">\n\nThere is a high chance anyone that comes from China has Covid right now. Low chance that someone inside America has.",
">\n\nNaw. China’s percent is much higher, sure, but it’s not like US infection rates are low. You can pretty much guarantee an infected American on every sold out domestic flight. The latest variants are super, super contagious, and it only takes one infected person to pose a serious risk to the other people sharing their space, and then all of their families and friends after they land. All flights should still require testing and masking at this point, or all we’ve really accomplished is pacifying the dimwits and xenophobes.\nI know at least 3 people who 100% contracted COVID while flying domestically in the US this last month - because they were isolated for the incubation period beforehand. They were masked the entire time they were in the airport and on the plane.",
">\n\nIf they were masked up and I assume vaccinated and still caught the virus then preventable measures like these aren’t that effective.",
">\n\nIs there a new strain of Covid that isn't in the U.S yet, otherwise what's the point.",
">\n\nUm testing should not ever stop.",
">\n\nAh shit here we go again",
">\n\n\"Who left the fridge open?\"",
">\n\nIt's \"just a cold\" unless it's a non-white person from another country carrying it.\n/s",
">\n\nChina implemented an ineffective vaccine and had 30m+ cases in one day. It’s specifically that gov. refusing to use effective vaccines",
">\n\nAnd the United States had effective vaccines that half the country is not willing to nor willing to wear masks, while complaining to other countries like China about their travel restrictions (from China and Hong Kong). And honestly I’m not oppose to a tighter restriction on China while they are experiencing a surge in new cases just as it did with any other countries that initially loosen covid restrictions, what makes me question this being race or politically motivated is the hypocrisy; people complained about China being oppressive when it was enforcing all the covid restrictions and when they loosen it “China doesn’t care about human lives”.\nSo what exactly do you want them to do?",
">\n\n\nto Require Negative Covid Tests for Travelers From China\n\nLuckily China is well known for its systemic unwillingness to fake or counterfeit things, so everything should be fine.\nhonest.",
">\n\nSeems purely retaliatory with no actual effectiveness.\nEnforcement is over a week away and presumably China has hit its peak already (flights being 40% positive)",
">\n\nThe rich rats are going to buy fake tests and jump ship breaking quarantine just like they did in the first wave. Cutting flights or enforcing quarantines is the only way to prevent this stuff from jumping oceans but god forbid anybody inhibit the jet setters.",
">\n\nHALF of the passengers on a plane from China going to Italy tested positive the other day (tested on arrival). Chances are most if not all of them had negative test results they could show that they took before they left. This won't do anything to stop people coming into the US while positive..we are going to have to go through this all over again and we won't have the same somewhat cooperative response in the US this time if it is a variant that evades immunity... It will get REALLY bad.",
">\n\nSeriously they know red states will just let them in and will never do another shut down again. So start dealt with out break countries this way to slow it down or corner it. But I see very very bad days ahead for China and Russia is starting to report out breaks too.",
">\n\nMust. When?",
">\n\nWe already require this from canada iirc\nEdit: i was wrong, canada requires it from us.",
">\n\nI hope we are talking PCR tests... those store-bought 15-minute ones struggle to get a positive if you have any sort of vaccination, even while symptomatic and miserable.",
">\n\nWell, a little bit of good news. I'll take it.",
">\n\nTravel should have been 100$ restricted a long time ago. Travel should be restricted to any country experiencing a COVID outbreak.",
">\n\nWonderful. Another round of Asian hating.",
">\n\nWho's hating on Asians? We're trying to stop this virus from killing people.",
">\n\nor… ban flights from china??"
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The extent of covid in china atm is just absurd. Two weeks ago, they had 37 MILLION cases in one day. Think about that. Thats more people than a lot of countries!
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"People from China will travel through Europe and come in to America from the east coast like they did when the pandemic started. This will do nothing if all travelers aboard aren’t made to test.",
">\n\nLet's hope EU and other countries do the same.",
">\n\nI don't know if they will. Australia (for example) had some of the toughest Covid policies and they've essentially just thrown them all out the window.\nSo I don't know how willing countries are to go back to being overly concerned about Covid.",
">\n\nThey should be concerned w chinese, it's spreading like wildfire in china. If we aren't careful, they will come out w covid 20.",
">\n\nIt’s spreading everywhere including the USA. This policy has nothing to do with science or medicine. It’s just politics.",
">\n\nNo. It’s circulating like mad in a population of 1 billion people who haven’t been exposed before. This is how new variants come about. Every country should require negative Covid test for china at least until it cycles through the population",
">\n\n\nNo. It’s circulating like mad in a population of 1 billion people who haven’t been exposed before.\n\nIt's also spreading like mad in all the countries of the world including the USA.\n\nThis is how new variants come about. \n\nAnd they have been for years now.\n\nEvery country should require negative Covid test for china at least until it cycles through the population\n\nOnly for political reasons. There is no scientific or rational demand for this. \nI get it, you hate china, most americans hate china so just be honest and say what you really mean.",
">\n\nStrains are spreading in the west yes, but there are new strains in China that are spreading and we don't know if our vaccines will work with those strains. We know the Chinese vaccines have a low efficacy rate and we know they are not mRNA vaccines which allow for easier adaptation to new strains. Making travelers with a Chinese passport take Covid tests at any and all airports is not racist or even unfair - a reminder that China has been relatively hard to travel to for the last 2 years because they were locked down to foreign travel as well. This is simply good policy from a public health measure, and you not wanting to see that for what it is and instead attribute it to a nascent American hatred for China is laughable. the World Health Organization estimated close to 800 million new cases in China in the next few months, with another estimate 4 million deaths and countless new strains coming out during that period. This is about protection populations, not punishing China.",
">\n\n\nStrains are spreading in the west yes, but there are new strains in China that are spreading and we don't know if our vaccines will work with those strains.\n\nYou don't know if vaccines work against any new variant even if that variant is from a country populated with white people.\n\nWe know the Chinese vaccines have a low efficacy rate and we know they are not mRNA vaccines which allow for easier adaptation to new strains. \n\nThe vaccine doesn't adapt once inside of your body you know that right?\n\nMaking travelers with a Chinese passport take Covid tests at any and all airports is not racist or even unfair \n\nit's definitely unfair and probably racist as well.\n\nhis is simply good policy from a public health measure, a\n\nA good policy would be to require vaccinations from everybody. Think about it, you are requiring a vaccine that you said doesn't even work. How much sense does that make?\n\nattribute it to a nascent American hatred for China is laughable.\n\nNascent?\n\nThis is about protection populations, not punishing China.\n\nIt's definitely about punishing china, it's a part of the current cold war with China conducted by the USA.",
">\n\n\nYou don't know if vaccines work against any new variant even if that variant is from a country populated with white people.\n\nAll the more reason to not invite more new strains into the country. White population or otherwise has nothing to do with it, expected rise in cases in China does.\n\nThe vaccine doesn't adapt once inside of your body you know that right?\n\nYou missed the point. The point i was making was that the Chinese medical system has not even approached Covid with an mRNA vaccine, and steadfastly refused to license western vaccines. If the vaccine most readily available in China has a 50% efficacy then the population is at more risk of contracting the virus and having negative results. The infection rates are increased with each new case of BA.7 (China is currently seeing each covid patient infecting on average 18 other people represented as 1:18, whereas the in US the rate is 1:3.9). Each of these factors increases the risk of developing new strains that are vaccine resistant. \n\nit's definitely unfair and probably racist as well\n\nIs it your position that nations cannot take any prescriptive action to prevent the spread of infected persons from other countries? Again i would remind you that China has basically been locked down for the last 2 years, with severe limitations to personal freedoms themselves. This is not based on race, but rather a government's inability to contain a contagious outbreak in their own country and not wanting it to spread. \n\nA good policy would be to require vaccinations from everybody. Think about it, you are requiring a vaccine that you said doesn't even work. How much sense does that make?\n\nThat might be your definition on good policy, but it isn't mine and that isn't how the west does it. \"I\" am not requiring a vaccine that \"I\" said doesn't work - that was your suggestion not mine. Also, i said the efficacy of the Chinese vaccine is 50% - based on available information - i never said it didn't work, and i never said that it should be mandatory or required.\n\nNascent?\n\nPoor and wrong word choice on my part it seems. What i meant was ascribing the US decision to require testing of Chinese travelers to racism because you believe that the US is racist is laughable. Taking a test to prove that you are covid negative is far less onerous on a traveler than most visa requirements.\n\nIt's definitely about punishing china, it's a part of the current cold war with China conducted by the USA.\n\nCite your sources. I could point to many Chinese government policies that i could say are part of the current cold war with the US without backing it up and it would be just as credible as what you said. Opinion is not a source, and not proof. You assume that the US government is racist, that this policy is racist and yet we have had travel bans imposed on other countries, as well as testing required for travelers from other countries imposed before, and other policies and so has China. For goodness sake China has been closed to foreigners for almost 3 years, and is still closed to foreign travel until January 2023. Is that a racist policy as well?",
">\n\nHere we go again.\nThis time I think I'll learn French cooking.",
">\n\n5000 People a day will have to die before Anybody says the word Lock down in the States ever again.",
">\n\nDon’t understand why people can’t handle staying at home for two weeks when it could potentially eradicate a deadly virus. Are we that weak?",
">\n\nWe did that in large part in March 2020. And did China not spend years locking down their citizens? \nPeoples savings are gone. They need to work. \nWearing a mask would do a lot to help the issue but people aren’t willing to do that anymore.",
">\n\nWe didn't do that though. We didn't all lock down when we were supposed to. Where I work I had to go in from the very start all the way through. Most people, the majority of people, didn't stay home even if they didn't have work. Most people didn't fuck with masks or keeping a distance, and even people who weren't antivaccers didn't take the vaccine seriously for the longest time. \nWe had no fucking lock down, unless you were a well-off celebrity or comedian who wanted to talk about being locked down for content. \nIf people legit locked down, they would have taken a small hit financially, but too many people didn't do shit and prolonged everything.",
">\n\nThe things is that it doesn't take long to drain peoples saving - becuase the overwhelming majority of people have practically none. \nSo an extended lockdown was never feasible unless the government was willing to pay several trillion dollars of expenses, not just 2 or 3 times but several times over.",
">\n\nI didn't dispute any of what you said. I pointed out that most people actively contested any safety measure and most people didn't actually lock down. Any extension will almost certainly be the fault of most of those people. \nI'd gladly let them all die if it meant the few people who did take things seriously didn't have to live through a Walking Dead scenario or have to take a huge financial hit because them.",
">\n\nMost people did lock down just fine initially. After a few weeks turned into a month or more, yeah people got testy.\nAdditionally, a gigantic amount of people work in critical industries and simply cant stay home. Just keeping the lights and water on requires tens of millions of workers, plus industries like plants and refineries that simply cannot shut down without massive long-term consequences.\nReddit is full of office people who can WFH, the vast majority of people cant.",
">\n\nI was one of those who couldn't stay home. Right out of the gate most people gave up on almost all of it except when they were making a show of complying when they had to. There was a lot of cheating. I walk through a lot of different areas. The waves of patients and bodies we got at work tracked with that and became predictable.",
">\n\nWhat’s that saying that ends with ”…doomed to repeat it?”",
">\n\nWhy not just require a negative test from everyone?",
">\n\nWho would you expect to pay for that?",
">\n\nGovernments or sponsors from the private sector ideally, I honestly don’t give a fuck. I’ve gotten many free tests from both and I’ve also bought some for like $8.",
">\n\n“Here we go again” from everyone in the comments. \nThe virus never stopped, we did.",
">\n\nVirus will always be there. Permanent restrictions are unsustainable",
">\n\n3 years later...\nIs this permanent?",
">\n\nI doubt there's anything that would make Republicans running in 2024 happier then Democrats advocating for a return to COVID restrictions.",
">\n\nRight? It’d be like the democrats fighting for gun control, or gay and trans rights, or safe and legal abortions. It would be political suicide to stand for something that Republicans don’t like!",
">\n\nMy understanding is that everything you listed is broadly popular or has at least a majority of American's in favor of it. A return to COVID restrictions is not in that category.",
">\n\nGun control isn’t even universally loved amongst the American left, as the hard left needs them for protection from the hard right they clash with, and the middle left does like having their guns taken as much as any middle right wing does, only mid left likes it",
">\n\nGallup has 57% of Americans feeling that in general gun laws should be more strict.",
">\n\nRegular people want kids to stop dying while in school. The problem is \"stricter laws\" is vague and no one can agree on what it means or give a serious proposal that would work, short of confiscation and bans, which are wildly unpopular.",
">\n\nVague political talking points is the best we’re going to get. Much as I’d love a Ross Perot style of breaking down every platform and promise, the general public doesn’t go for it. Buzz words are all we have the attention span for.",
">\n\nChina's COVID-19 surge raises odds of new coronavirus variants\nThings could get very ugly.",
">\n\nYou say this like covid hasn't been spreading rampantly through literally every country on the planet, mostly without any measures to stop the spread. Why does China get a different treatment and maybe countries should require tests from the US or Inida or Europe?",
">\n\nI agree. US was primarily the culprit of why COVID went rampant to begin with. We actively refused to enforce any sort of safety measures, just a mild suggestion of \"maybe wear a mask, if you want to, it's ok if you don't\" and \"we have vaccines if you want one, no pressure tho\". That was really our response to the world's deadliest pandemic.",
">\n\nWe actively made fun of zero covid approaches on reddit and now based on the comments on this thread we are suddenly pro “zero covid” approaches",
">\n\nEveryone finally watched contagion",
">\n\nSo far my 2023 bingo card is reading alooot of skull and crossbones, I think I might actually win at something next year, what does your score card look like?",
">\n\nWhen’s that $1200 going to hit my account?",
">\n\nI’m still living off mine from last time!",
">\n\nI’m still looking for mine",
">\n\nI’m waiting for that $600 bucks from Biden still, but that’s going right into my retirement!",
">\n\nYou dont get he meant to include any money you already received as well /s",
">\n\nI seem to remember campaign ads with $2000 checks.",
">\n\nYep they explicitly mentioned $2,000 checks.",
">\n\nMy comment was sarcasm but in retrospect there are so many neoliberals saying that word for word in all seriousness that I should and will add a sarcasm tag",
">\n\nThat's nice and all, but let's not act like we're not just ignoring our own COVID problems.",
">\n\n\n\"You don't have zero tolerance anymore? We can't tolerate that.\"\n\n- Country with 100% tolerance",
">\n\nWhy not require a negative COVID test from everyone entering the country? It’s like they don’t want COVID to be under control.",
">\n\nI think this is because China has a relatively low vaccination rate because they relied on lock downs. Now that lock downs are being ramped down, they are having a huge surge.",
">\n\nThe vaccination rate in China is considerably higher than the US (92% vs 81%). This is just another example of yellow peril",
">\n\nThank you for pointing this out. What I said above was wrong about the vaccination rate. I don’t know why exactly China is having a surge. 🤷♂️",
">\n\nTheir vaccination rate is high but their vaccine, SinoVac is based on old tech. It conveys effectively zero protection from variants when compared to all the other types of vaccines on the market.",
">\n\nYou guys are so full of shit. At 3 doses Sinovac gives the same protection as any western vaccine with boosters to help mitigate mutated variants. Stop spreading misinfo.",
">\n\n\"Does that thumbnail of someone getting tested read too much like 'screaming uselessly into the void'?\"\n\"I'm sure it'll be fine.\"",
">\n\nMaybe, just maybe they shouldnt have stopped testing airplane passengers in the first place... \nWe have cheap, readily available tests that take 10 minutes to complete. There’s really no reason not to test ever passenger before boarding...",
">\n\nEveryone I know who had Omicron tested negative until their symptoms cleared. It was evading the RATs, for some reason.",
">\n\nI tested positive on a rapid test two days after getting congested. Every teacher coworker of mine who bothered to test after getting cold symptoms also did. I think it's why so few parents now test their kids before sending time to school sick. They don't want to know so we all find out when we or our family members then test positive, missing work on their sick kids' behalf so they didn't have to. \nI have also heard the rapid test can give false negatives but anecdotal references don't mean much.",
">\n\nA day late and a dollar short. Same old song and dance.",
">\n\nWow, it’s like history literally repeating itself.",
">\n\nIndeed it is. I hope everyone is prepared for what’s next.",
">\n\nWe should require negative COVID tests for people to fly within the US, too.\nIt makes no difference to me if the person who infects me at LAX is coming in from China, or from Texas.",
">\n\nThere is a high chance anyone that comes from China has Covid right now. Low chance that someone inside America has.",
">\n\nNaw. China’s percent is much higher, sure, but it’s not like US infection rates are low. You can pretty much guarantee an infected American on every sold out domestic flight. The latest variants are super, super contagious, and it only takes one infected person to pose a serious risk to the other people sharing their space, and then all of their families and friends after they land. All flights should still require testing and masking at this point, or all we’ve really accomplished is pacifying the dimwits and xenophobes.\nI know at least 3 people who 100% contracted COVID while flying domestically in the US this last month - because they were isolated for the incubation period beforehand. They were masked the entire time they were in the airport and on the plane.",
">\n\nIf they were masked up and I assume vaccinated and still caught the virus then preventable measures like these aren’t that effective.",
">\n\nIs there a new strain of Covid that isn't in the U.S yet, otherwise what's the point.",
">\n\nUm testing should not ever stop.",
">\n\nAh shit here we go again",
">\n\n\"Who left the fridge open?\"",
">\n\nIt's \"just a cold\" unless it's a non-white person from another country carrying it.\n/s",
">\n\nChina implemented an ineffective vaccine and had 30m+ cases in one day. It’s specifically that gov. refusing to use effective vaccines",
">\n\nAnd the United States had effective vaccines that half the country is not willing to nor willing to wear masks, while complaining to other countries like China about their travel restrictions (from China and Hong Kong). And honestly I’m not oppose to a tighter restriction on China while they are experiencing a surge in new cases just as it did with any other countries that initially loosen covid restrictions, what makes me question this being race or politically motivated is the hypocrisy; people complained about China being oppressive when it was enforcing all the covid restrictions and when they loosen it “China doesn’t care about human lives”.\nSo what exactly do you want them to do?",
">\n\n\nto Require Negative Covid Tests for Travelers From China\n\nLuckily China is well known for its systemic unwillingness to fake or counterfeit things, so everything should be fine.\nhonest.",
">\n\nSeems purely retaliatory with no actual effectiveness.\nEnforcement is over a week away and presumably China has hit its peak already (flights being 40% positive)",
">\n\nThe rich rats are going to buy fake tests and jump ship breaking quarantine just like they did in the first wave. Cutting flights or enforcing quarantines is the only way to prevent this stuff from jumping oceans but god forbid anybody inhibit the jet setters.",
">\n\nHALF of the passengers on a plane from China going to Italy tested positive the other day (tested on arrival). Chances are most if not all of them had negative test results they could show that they took before they left. This won't do anything to stop people coming into the US while positive..we are going to have to go through this all over again and we won't have the same somewhat cooperative response in the US this time if it is a variant that evades immunity... It will get REALLY bad.",
">\n\nSeriously they know red states will just let them in and will never do another shut down again. So start dealt with out break countries this way to slow it down or corner it. But I see very very bad days ahead for China and Russia is starting to report out breaks too.",
">\n\nMust. When?",
">\n\nWe already require this from canada iirc\nEdit: i was wrong, canada requires it from us.",
">\n\nI hope we are talking PCR tests... those store-bought 15-minute ones struggle to get a positive if you have any sort of vaccination, even while symptomatic and miserable.",
">\n\nWell, a little bit of good news. I'll take it.",
">\n\nTravel should have been 100$ restricted a long time ago. Travel should be restricted to any country experiencing a COVID outbreak.",
">\n\nWonderful. Another round of Asian hating.",
">\n\nWho's hating on Asians? We're trying to stop this virus from killing people.",
">\n\nor… ban flights from china??",
">\n\nDoesn’t make sense in singling out China when covid is widespread in every single country"
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I wonder why China has so much trouble with COVID compared to other countries, despite being so strict.
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"People from China will travel through Europe and come in to America from the east coast like they did when the pandemic started. This will do nothing if all travelers aboard aren’t made to test.",
">\n\nLet's hope EU and other countries do the same.",
">\n\nI don't know if they will. Australia (for example) had some of the toughest Covid policies and they've essentially just thrown them all out the window.\nSo I don't know how willing countries are to go back to being overly concerned about Covid.",
">\n\nThey should be concerned w chinese, it's spreading like wildfire in china. If we aren't careful, they will come out w covid 20.",
">\n\nIt’s spreading everywhere including the USA. This policy has nothing to do with science or medicine. It’s just politics.",
">\n\nNo. It’s circulating like mad in a population of 1 billion people who haven’t been exposed before. This is how new variants come about. Every country should require negative Covid test for china at least until it cycles through the population",
">\n\n\nNo. It’s circulating like mad in a population of 1 billion people who haven’t been exposed before.\n\nIt's also spreading like mad in all the countries of the world including the USA.\n\nThis is how new variants come about. \n\nAnd they have been for years now.\n\nEvery country should require negative Covid test for china at least until it cycles through the population\n\nOnly for political reasons. There is no scientific or rational demand for this. \nI get it, you hate china, most americans hate china so just be honest and say what you really mean.",
">\n\nStrains are spreading in the west yes, but there are new strains in China that are spreading and we don't know if our vaccines will work with those strains. We know the Chinese vaccines have a low efficacy rate and we know they are not mRNA vaccines which allow for easier adaptation to new strains. Making travelers with a Chinese passport take Covid tests at any and all airports is not racist or even unfair - a reminder that China has been relatively hard to travel to for the last 2 years because they were locked down to foreign travel as well. This is simply good policy from a public health measure, and you not wanting to see that for what it is and instead attribute it to a nascent American hatred for China is laughable. the World Health Organization estimated close to 800 million new cases in China in the next few months, with another estimate 4 million deaths and countless new strains coming out during that period. This is about protection populations, not punishing China.",
">\n\n\nStrains are spreading in the west yes, but there are new strains in China that are spreading and we don't know if our vaccines will work with those strains.\n\nYou don't know if vaccines work against any new variant even if that variant is from a country populated with white people.\n\nWe know the Chinese vaccines have a low efficacy rate and we know they are not mRNA vaccines which allow for easier adaptation to new strains. \n\nThe vaccine doesn't adapt once inside of your body you know that right?\n\nMaking travelers with a Chinese passport take Covid tests at any and all airports is not racist or even unfair \n\nit's definitely unfair and probably racist as well.\n\nhis is simply good policy from a public health measure, a\n\nA good policy would be to require vaccinations from everybody. Think about it, you are requiring a vaccine that you said doesn't even work. How much sense does that make?\n\nattribute it to a nascent American hatred for China is laughable.\n\nNascent?\n\nThis is about protection populations, not punishing China.\n\nIt's definitely about punishing china, it's a part of the current cold war with China conducted by the USA.",
">\n\n\nYou don't know if vaccines work against any new variant even if that variant is from a country populated with white people.\n\nAll the more reason to not invite more new strains into the country. White population or otherwise has nothing to do with it, expected rise in cases in China does.\n\nThe vaccine doesn't adapt once inside of your body you know that right?\n\nYou missed the point. The point i was making was that the Chinese medical system has not even approached Covid with an mRNA vaccine, and steadfastly refused to license western vaccines. If the vaccine most readily available in China has a 50% efficacy then the population is at more risk of contracting the virus and having negative results. The infection rates are increased with each new case of BA.7 (China is currently seeing each covid patient infecting on average 18 other people represented as 1:18, whereas the in US the rate is 1:3.9). Each of these factors increases the risk of developing new strains that are vaccine resistant. \n\nit's definitely unfair and probably racist as well\n\nIs it your position that nations cannot take any prescriptive action to prevent the spread of infected persons from other countries? Again i would remind you that China has basically been locked down for the last 2 years, with severe limitations to personal freedoms themselves. This is not based on race, but rather a government's inability to contain a contagious outbreak in their own country and not wanting it to spread. \n\nA good policy would be to require vaccinations from everybody. Think about it, you are requiring a vaccine that you said doesn't even work. How much sense does that make?\n\nThat might be your definition on good policy, but it isn't mine and that isn't how the west does it. \"I\" am not requiring a vaccine that \"I\" said doesn't work - that was your suggestion not mine. Also, i said the efficacy of the Chinese vaccine is 50% - based on available information - i never said it didn't work, and i never said that it should be mandatory or required.\n\nNascent?\n\nPoor and wrong word choice on my part it seems. What i meant was ascribing the US decision to require testing of Chinese travelers to racism because you believe that the US is racist is laughable. Taking a test to prove that you are covid negative is far less onerous on a traveler than most visa requirements.\n\nIt's definitely about punishing china, it's a part of the current cold war with China conducted by the USA.\n\nCite your sources. I could point to many Chinese government policies that i could say are part of the current cold war with the US without backing it up and it would be just as credible as what you said. Opinion is not a source, and not proof. You assume that the US government is racist, that this policy is racist and yet we have had travel bans imposed on other countries, as well as testing required for travelers from other countries imposed before, and other policies and so has China. For goodness sake China has been closed to foreigners for almost 3 years, and is still closed to foreign travel until January 2023. Is that a racist policy as well?",
">\n\nHere we go again.\nThis time I think I'll learn French cooking.",
">\n\n5000 People a day will have to die before Anybody says the word Lock down in the States ever again.",
">\n\nDon’t understand why people can’t handle staying at home for two weeks when it could potentially eradicate a deadly virus. Are we that weak?",
">\n\nWe did that in large part in March 2020. And did China not spend years locking down their citizens? \nPeoples savings are gone. They need to work. \nWearing a mask would do a lot to help the issue but people aren’t willing to do that anymore.",
">\n\nWe didn't do that though. We didn't all lock down when we were supposed to. Where I work I had to go in from the very start all the way through. Most people, the majority of people, didn't stay home even if they didn't have work. Most people didn't fuck with masks or keeping a distance, and even people who weren't antivaccers didn't take the vaccine seriously for the longest time. \nWe had no fucking lock down, unless you were a well-off celebrity or comedian who wanted to talk about being locked down for content. \nIf people legit locked down, they would have taken a small hit financially, but too many people didn't do shit and prolonged everything.",
">\n\nThe things is that it doesn't take long to drain peoples saving - becuase the overwhelming majority of people have practically none. \nSo an extended lockdown was never feasible unless the government was willing to pay several trillion dollars of expenses, not just 2 or 3 times but several times over.",
">\n\nI didn't dispute any of what you said. I pointed out that most people actively contested any safety measure and most people didn't actually lock down. Any extension will almost certainly be the fault of most of those people. \nI'd gladly let them all die if it meant the few people who did take things seriously didn't have to live through a Walking Dead scenario or have to take a huge financial hit because them.",
">\n\nMost people did lock down just fine initially. After a few weeks turned into a month or more, yeah people got testy.\nAdditionally, a gigantic amount of people work in critical industries and simply cant stay home. Just keeping the lights and water on requires tens of millions of workers, plus industries like plants and refineries that simply cannot shut down without massive long-term consequences.\nReddit is full of office people who can WFH, the vast majority of people cant.",
">\n\nI was one of those who couldn't stay home. Right out of the gate most people gave up on almost all of it except when they were making a show of complying when they had to. There was a lot of cheating. I walk through a lot of different areas. The waves of patients and bodies we got at work tracked with that and became predictable.",
">\n\nWhat’s that saying that ends with ”…doomed to repeat it?”",
">\n\nWhy not just require a negative test from everyone?",
">\n\nWho would you expect to pay for that?",
">\n\nGovernments or sponsors from the private sector ideally, I honestly don’t give a fuck. I’ve gotten many free tests from both and I’ve also bought some for like $8.",
">\n\n“Here we go again” from everyone in the comments. \nThe virus never stopped, we did.",
">\n\nVirus will always be there. Permanent restrictions are unsustainable",
">\n\n3 years later...\nIs this permanent?",
">\n\nI doubt there's anything that would make Republicans running in 2024 happier then Democrats advocating for a return to COVID restrictions.",
">\n\nRight? It’d be like the democrats fighting for gun control, or gay and trans rights, or safe and legal abortions. It would be political suicide to stand for something that Republicans don’t like!",
">\n\nMy understanding is that everything you listed is broadly popular or has at least a majority of American's in favor of it. A return to COVID restrictions is not in that category.",
">\n\nGun control isn’t even universally loved amongst the American left, as the hard left needs them for protection from the hard right they clash with, and the middle left does like having their guns taken as much as any middle right wing does, only mid left likes it",
">\n\nGallup has 57% of Americans feeling that in general gun laws should be more strict.",
">\n\nRegular people want kids to stop dying while in school. The problem is \"stricter laws\" is vague and no one can agree on what it means or give a serious proposal that would work, short of confiscation and bans, which are wildly unpopular.",
">\n\nVague political talking points is the best we’re going to get. Much as I’d love a Ross Perot style of breaking down every platform and promise, the general public doesn’t go for it. Buzz words are all we have the attention span for.",
">\n\nChina's COVID-19 surge raises odds of new coronavirus variants\nThings could get very ugly.",
">\n\nYou say this like covid hasn't been spreading rampantly through literally every country on the planet, mostly without any measures to stop the spread. Why does China get a different treatment and maybe countries should require tests from the US or Inida or Europe?",
">\n\nI agree. US was primarily the culprit of why COVID went rampant to begin with. We actively refused to enforce any sort of safety measures, just a mild suggestion of \"maybe wear a mask, if you want to, it's ok if you don't\" and \"we have vaccines if you want one, no pressure tho\". That was really our response to the world's deadliest pandemic.",
">\n\nWe actively made fun of zero covid approaches on reddit and now based on the comments on this thread we are suddenly pro “zero covid” approaches",
">\n\nEveryone finally watched contagion",
">\n\nSo far my 2023 bingo card is reading alooot of skull and crossbones, I think I might actually win at something next year, what does your score card look like?",
">\n\nWhen’s that $1200 going to hit my account?",
">\n\nI’m still living off mine from last time!",
">\n\nI’m still looking for mine",
">\n\nI’m waiting for that $600 bucks from Biden still, but that’s going right into my retirement!",
">\n\nYou dont get he meant to include any money you already received as well /s",
">\n\nI seem to remember campaign ads with $2000 checks.",
">\n\nYep they explicitly mentioned $2,000 checks.",
">\n\nMy comment was sarcasm but in retrospect there are so many neoliberals saying that word for word in all seriousness that I should and will add a sarcasm tag",
">\n\nThat's nice and all, but let's not act like we're not just ignoring our own COVID problems.",
">\n\n\n\"You don't have zero tolerance anymore? We can't tolerate that.\"\n\n- Country with 100% tolerance",
">\n\nWhy not require a negative COVID test from everyone entering the country? It’s like they don’t want COVID to be under control.",
">\n\nI think this is because China has a relatively low vaccination rate because they relied on lock downs. Now that lock downs are being ramped down, they are having a huge surge.",
">\n\nThe vaccination rate in China is considerably higher than the US (92% vs 81%). This is just another example of yellow peril",
">\n\nThank you for pointing this out. What I said above was wrong about the vaccination rate. I don’t know why exactly China is having a surge. 🤷♂️",
">\n\nTheir vaccination rate is high but their vaccine, SinoVac is based on old tech. It conveys effectively zero protection from variants when compared to all the other types of vaccines on the market.",
">\n\nYou guys are so full of shit. At 3 doses Sinovac gives the same protection as any western vaccine with boosters to help mitigate mutated variants. Stop spreading misinfo.",
">\n\n\"Does that thumbnail of someone getting tested read too much like 'screaming uselessly into the void'?\"\n\"I'm sure it'll be fine.\"",
">\n\nMaybe, just maybe they shouldnt have stopped testing airplane passengers in the first place... \nWe have cheap, readily available tests that take 10 minutes to complete. There’s really no reason not to test ever passenger before boarding...",
">\n\nEveryone I know who had Omicron tested negative until their symptoms cleared. It was evading the RATs, for some reason.",
">\n\nI tested positive on a rapid test two days after getting congested. Every teacher coworker of mine who bothered to test after getting cold symptoms also did. I think it's why so few parents now test their kids before sending time to school sick. They don't want to know so we all find out when we or our family members then test positive, missing work on their sick kids' behalf so they didn't have to. \nI have also heard the rapid test can give false negatives but anecdotal references don't mean much.",
">\n\nA day late and a dollar short. Same old song and dance.",
">\n\nWow, it’s like history literally repeating itself.",
">\n\nIndeed it is. I hope everyone is prepared for what’s next.",
">\n\nWe should require negative COVID tests for people to fly within the US, too.\nIt makes no difference to me if the person who infects me at LAX is coming in from China, or from Texas.",
">\n\nThere is a high chance anyone that comes from China has Covid right now. Low chance that someone inside America has.",
">\n\nNaw. China’s percent is much higher, sure, but it’s not like US infection rates are low. You can pretty much guarantee an infected American on every sold out domestic flight. The latest variants are super, super contagious, and it only takes one infected person to pose a serious risk to the other people sharing their space, and then all of their families and friends after they land. All flights should still require testing and masking at this point, or all we’ve really accomplished is pacifying the dimwits and xenophobes.\nI know at least 3 people who 100% contracted COVID while flying domestically in the US this last month - because they were isolated for the incubation period beforehand. They were masked the entire time they were in the airport and on the plane.",
">\n\nIf they were masked up and I assume vaccinated and still caught the virus then preventable measures like these aren’t that effective.",
">\n\nIs there a new strain of Covid that isn't in the U.S yet, otherwise what's the point.",
">\n\nUm testing should not ever stop.",
">\n\nAh shit here we go again",
">\n\n\"Who left the fridge open?\"",
">\n\nIt's \"just a cold\" unless it's a non-white person from another country carrying it.\n/s",
">\n\nChina implemented an ineffective vaccine and had 30m+ cases in one day. It’s specifically that gov. refusing to use effective vaccines",
">\n\nAnd the United States had effective vaccines that half the country is not willing to nor willing to wear masks, while complaining to other countries like China about their travel restrictions (from China and Hong Kong). And honestly I’m not oppose to a tighter restriction on China while they are experiencing a surge in new cases just as it did with any other countries that initially loosen covid restrictions, what makes me question this being race or politically motivated is the hypocrisy; people complained about China being oppressive when it was enforcing all the covid restrictions and when they loosen it “China doesn’t care about human lives”.\nSo what exactly do you want them to do?",
">\n\n\nto Require Negative Covid Tests for Travelers From China\n\nLuckily China is well known for its systemic unwillingness to fake or counterfeit things, so everything should be fine.\nhonest.",
">\n\nSeems purely retaliatory with no actual effectiveness.\nEnforcement is over a week away and presumably China has hit its peak already (flights being 40% positive)",
">\n\nThe rich rats are going to buy fake tests and jump ship breaking quarantine just like they did in the first wave. Cutting flights or enforcing quarantines is the only way to prevent this stuff from jumping oceans but god forbid anybody inhibit the jet setters.",
">\n\nHALF of the passengers on a plane from China going to Italy tested positive the other day (tested on arrival). Chances are most if not all of them had negative test results they could show that they took before they left. This won't do anything to stop people coming into the US while positive..we are going to have to go through this all over again and we won't have the same somewhat cooperative response in the US this time if it is a variant that evades immunity... It will get REALLY bad.",
">\n\nSeriously they know red states will just let them in and will never do another shut down again. So start dealt with out break countries this way to slow it down or corner it. But I see very very bad days ahead for China and Russia is starting to report out breaks too.",
">\n\nMust. When?",
">\n\nWe already require this from canada iirc\nEdit: i was wrong, canada requires it from us.",
">\n\nI hope we are talking PCR tests... those store-bought 15-minute ones struggle to get a positive if you have any sort of vaccination, even while symptomatic and miserable.",
">\n\nWell, a little bit of good news. I'll take it.",
">\n\nTravel should have been 100$ restricted a long time ago. Travel should be restricted to any country experiencing a COVID outbreak.",
">\n\nWonderful. Another round of Asian hating.",
">\n\nWho's hating on Asians? We're trying to stop this virus from killing people.",
">\n\nor… ban flights from china??",
">\n\nDoesn’t make sense in singling out China when covid is widespread in every single country",
">\n\nThe extent of covid in china atm is just absurd. Two weeks ago, they had 37 MILLION cases in one day. Think about that. Thats more people than a lot of countries! \nsource"
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It’s because they had the zero covid approaches that people are advocating for in this thread and they suddenly reversed course. Everyone in China is getting it so fast its likely the same variants quickly spreading in a population that suddenly reversed course. Having many people getting it over time and exposed to new generations of the virus (which is what happens over time) is more insidious but people here think thats fine
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"People from China will travel through Europe and come in to America from the east coast like they did when the pandemic started. This will do nothing if all travelers aboard aren’t made to test.",
">\n\nLet's hope EU and other countries do the same.",
">\n\nI don't know if they will. Australia (for example) had some of the toughest Covid policies and they've essentially just thrown them all out the window.\nSo I don't know how willing countries are to go back to being overly concerned about Covid.",
">\n\nThey should be concerned w chinese, it's spreading like wildfire in china. If we aren't careful, they will come out w covid 20.",
">\n\nIt’s spreading everywhere including the USA. This policy has nothing to do with science or medicine. It’s just politics.",
">\n\nNo. It’s circulating like mad in a population of 1 billion people who haven’t been exposed before. This is how new variants come about. Every country should require negative Covid test for china at least until it cycles through the population",
">\n\n\nNo. It’s circulating like mad in a population of 1 billion people who haven’t been exposed before.\n\nIt's also spreading like mad in all the countries of the world including the USA.\n\nThis is how new variants come about. \n\nAnd they have been for years now.\n\nEvery country should require negative Covid test for china at least until it cycles through the population\n\nOnly for political reasons. There is no scientific or rational demand for this. \nI get it, you hate china, most americans hate china so just be honest and say what you really mean.",
">\n\nStrains are spreading in the west yes, but there are new strains in China that are spreading and we don't know if our vaccines will work with those strains. We know the Chinese vaccines have a low efficacy rate and we know they are not mRNA vaccines which allow for easier adaptation to new strains. Making travelers with a Chinese passport take Covid tests at any and all airports is not racist or even unfair - a reminder that China has been relatively hard to travel to for the last 2 years because they were locked down to foreign travel as well. This is simply good policy from a public health measure, and you not wanting to see that for what it is and instead attribute it to a nascent American hatred for China is laughable. the World Health Organization estimated close to 800 million new cases in China in the next few months, with another estimate 4 million deaths and countless new strains coming out during that period. This is about protection populations, not punishing China.",
">\n\n\nStrains are spreading in the west yes, but there are new strains in China that are spreading and we don't know if our vaccines will work with those strains.\n\nYou don't know if vaccines work against any new variant even if that variant is from a country populated with white people.\n\nWe know the Chinese vaccines have a low efficacy rate and we know they are not mRNA vaccines which allow for easier adaptation to new strains. \n\nThe vaccine doesn't adapt once inside of your body you know that right?\n\nMaking travelers with a Chinese passport take Covid tests at any and all airports is not racist or even unfair \n\nit's definitely unfair and probably racist as well.\n\nhis is simply good policy from a public health measure, a\n\nA good policy would be to require vaccinations from everybody. Think about it, you are requiring a vaccine that you said doesn't even work. How much sense does that make?\n\nattribute it to a nascent American hatred for China is laughable.\n\nNascent?\n\nThis is about protection populations, not punishing China.\n\nIt's definitely about punishing china, it's a part of the current cold war with China conducted by the USA.",
">\n\n\nYou don't know if vaccines work against any new variant even if that variant is from a country populated with white people.\n\nAll the more reason to not invite more new strains into the country. White population or otherwise has nothing to do with it, expected rise in cases in China does.\n\nThe vaccine doesn't adapt once inside of your body you know that right?\n\nYou missed the point. The point i was making was that the Chinese medical system has not even approached Covid with an mRNA vaccine, and steadfastly refused to license western vaccines. If the vaccine most readily available in China has a 50% efficacy then the population is at more risk of contracting the virus and having negative results. The infection rates are increased with each new case of BA.7 (China is currently seeing each covid patient infecting on average 18 other people represented as 1:18, whereas the in US the rate is 1:3.9). Each of these factors increases the risk of developing new strains that are vaccine resistant. \n\nit's definitely unfair and probably racist as well\n\nIs it your position that nations cannot take any prescriptive action to prevent the spread of infected persons from other countries? Again i would remind you that China has basically been locked down for the last 2 years, with severe limitations to personal freedoms themselves. This is not based on race, but rather a government's inability to contain a contagious outbreak in their own country and not wanting it to spread. \n\nA good policy would be to require vaccinations from everybody. Think about it, you are requiring a vaccine that you said doesn't even work. How much sense does that make?\n\nThat might be your definition on good policy, but it isn't mine and that isn't how the west does it. \"I\" am not requiring a vaccine that \"I\" said doesn't work - that was your suggestion not mine. Also, i said the efficacy of the Chinese vaccine is 50% - based on available information - i never said it didn't work, and i never said that it should be mandatory or required.\n\nNascent?\n\nPoor and wrong word choice on my part it seems. What i meant was ascribing the US decision to require testing of Chinese travelers to racism because you believe that the US is racist is laughable. Taking a test to prove that you are covid negative is far less onerous on a traveler than most visa requirements.\n\nIt's definitely about punishing china, it's a part of the current cold war with China conducted by the USA.\n\nCite your sources. I could point to many Chinese government policies that i could say are part of the current cold war with the US without backing it up and it would be just as credible as what you said. Opinion is not a source, and not proof. You assume that the US government is racist, that this policy is racist and yet we have had travel bans imposed on other countries, as well as testing required for travelers from other countries imposed before, and other policies and so has China. For goodness sake China has been closed to foreigners for almost 3 years, and is still closed to foreign travel until January 2023. Is that a racist policy as well?",
">\n\nHere we go again.\nThis time I think I'll learn French cooking.",
">\n\n5000 People a day will have to die before Anybody says the word Lock down in the States ever again.",
">\n\nDon’t understand why people can’t handle staying at home for two weeks when it could potentially eradicate a deadly virus. Are we that weak?",
">\n\nWe did that in large part in March 2020. And did China not spend years locking down their citizens? \nPeoples savings are gone. They need to work. \nWearing a mask would do a lot to help the issue but people aren’t willing to do that anymore.",
">\n\nWe didn't do that though. We didn't all lock down when we were supposed to. Where I work I had to go in from the very start all the way through. Most people, the majority of people, didn't stay home even if they didn't have work. Most people didn't fuck with masks or keeping a distance, and even people who weren't antivaccers didn't take the vaccine seriously for the longest time. \nWe had no fucking lock down, unless you were a well-off celebrity or comedian who wanted to talk about being locked down for content. \nIf people legit locked down, they would have taken a small hit financially, but too many people didn't do shit and prolonged everything.",
">\n\nThe things is that it doesn't take long to drain peoples saving - becuase the overwhelming majority of people have practically none. \nSo an extended lockdown was never feasible unless the government was willing to pay several trillion dollars of expenses, not just 2 or 3 times but several times over.",
">\n\nI didn't dispute any of what you said. I pointed out that most people actively contested any safety measure and most people didn't actually lock down. Any extension will almost certainly be the fault of most of those people. \nI'd gladly let them all die if it meant the few people who did take things seriously didn't have to live through a Walking Dead scenario or have to take a huge financial hit because them.",
">\n\nMost people did lock down just fine initially. After a few weeks turned into a month or more, yeah people got testy.\nAdditionally, a gigantic amount of people work in critical industries and simply cant stay home. Just keeping the lights and water on requires tens of millions of workers, plus industries like plants and refineries that simply cannot shut down without massive long-term consequences.\nReddit is full of office people who can WFH, the vast majority of people cant.",
">\n\nI was one of those who couldn't stay home. Right out of the gate most people gave up on almost all of it except when they were making a show of complying when they had to. There was a lot of cheating. I walk through a lot of different areas. The waves of patients and bodies we got at work tracked with that and became predictable.",
">\n\nWhat’s that saying that ends with ”…doomed to repeat it?”",
">\n\nWhy not just require a negative test from everyone?",
">\n\nWho would you expect to pay for that?",
">\n\nGovernments or sponsors from the private sector ideally, I honestly don’t give a fuck. I’ve gotten many free tests from both and I’ve also bought some for like $8.",
">\n\n“Here we go again” from everyone in the comments. \nThe virus never stopped, we did.",
">\n\nVirus will always be there. Permanent restrictions are unsustainable",
">\n\n3 years later...\nIs this permanent?",
">\n\nI doubt there's anything that would make Republicans running in 2024 happier then Democrats advocating for a return to COVID restrictions.",
">\n\nRight? It’d be like the democrats fighting for gun control, or gay and trans rights, or safe and legal abortions. It would be political suicide to stand for something that Republicans don’t like!",
">\n\nMy understanding is that everything you listed is broadly popular or has at least a majority of American's in favor of it. A return to COVID restrictions is not in that category.",
">\n\nGun control isn’t even universally loved amongst the American left, as the hard left needs them for protection from the hard right they clash with, and the middle left does like having their guns taken as much as any middle right wing does, only mid left likes it",
">\n\nGallup has 57% of Americans feeling that in general gun laws should be more strict.",
">\n\nRegular people want kids to stop dying while in school. The problem is \"stricter laws\" is vague and no one can agree on what it means or give a serious proposal that would work, short of confiscation and bans, which are wildly unpopular.",
">\n\nVague political talking points is the best we’re going to get. Much as I’d love a Ross Perot style of breaking down every platform and promise, the general public doesn’t go for it. Buzz words are all we have the attention span for.",
">\n\nChina's COVID-19 surge raises odds of new coronavirus variants\nThings could get very ugly.",
">\n\nYou say this like covid hasn't been spreading rampantly through literally every country on the planet, mostly without any measures to stop the spread. Why does China get a different treatment and maybe countries should require tests from the US or Inida or Europe?",
">\n\nI agree. US was primarily the culprit of why COVID went rampant to begin with. We actively refused to enforce any sort of safety measures, just a mild suggestion of \"maybe wear a mask, if you want to, it's ok if you don't\" and \"we have vaccines if you want one, no pressure tho\". That was really our response to the world's deadliest pandemic.",
">\n\nWe actively made fun of zero covid approaches on reddit and now based on the comments on this thread we are suddenly pro “zero covid” approaches",
">\n\nEveryone finally watched contagion",
">\n\nSo far my 2023 bingo card is reading alooot of skull and crossbones, I think I might actually win at something next year, what does your score card look like?",
">\n\nWhen’s that $1200 going to hit my account?",
">\n\nI’m still living off mine from last time!",
">\n\nI’m still looking for mine",
">\n\nI’m waiting for that $600 bucks from Biden still, but that’s going right into my retirement!",
">\n\nYou dont get he meant to include any money you already received as well /s",
">\n\nI seem to remember campaign ads with $2000 checks.",
">\n\nYep they explicitly mentioned $2,000 checks.",
">\n\nMy comment was sarcasm but in retrospect there are so many neoliberals saying that word for word in all seriousness that I should and will add a sarcasm tag",
">\n\nThat's nice and all, but let's not act like we're not just ignoring our own COVID problems.",
">\n\n\n\"You don't have zero tolerance anymore? We can't tolerate that.\"\n\n- Country with 100% tolerance",
">\n\nWhy not require a negative COVID test from everyone entering the country? It’s like they don’t want COVID to be under control.",
">\n\nI think this is because China has a relatively low vaccination rate because they relied on lock downs. Now that lock downs are being ramped down, they are having a huge surge.",
">\n\nThe vaccination rate in China is considerably higher than the US (92% vs 81%). This is just another example of yellow peril",
">\n\nThank you for pointing this out. What I said above was wrong about the vaccination rate. I don’t know why exactly China is having a surge. 🤷♂️",
">\n\nTheir vaccination rate is high but their vaccine, SinoVac is based on old tech. It conveys effectively zero protection from variants when compared to all the other types of vaccines on the market.",
">\n\nYou guys are so full of shit. At 3 doses Sinovac gives the same protection as any western vaccine with boosters to help mitigate mutated variants. Stop spreading misinfo.",
">\n\n\"Does that thumbnail of someone getting tested read too much like 'screaming uselessly into the void'?\"\n\"I'm sure it'll be fine.\"",
">\n\nMaybe, just maybe they shouldnt have stopped testing airplane passengers in the first place... \nWe have cheap, readily available tests that take 10 minutes to complete. There’s really no reason not to test ever passenger before boarding...",
">\n\nEveryone I know who had Omicron tested negative until their symptoms cleared. It was evading the RATs, for some reason.",
">\n\nI tested positive on a rapid test two days after getting congested. Every teacher coworker of mine who bothered to test after getting cold symptoms also did. I think it's why so few parents now test their kids before sending time to school sick. They don't want to know so we all find out when we or our family members then test positive, missing work on their sick kids' behalf so they didn't have to. \nI have also heard the rapid test can give false negatives but anecdotal references don't mean much.",
">\n\nA day late and a dollar short. Same old song and dance.",
">\n\nWow, it’s like history literally repeating itself.",
">\n\nIndeed it is. I hope everyone is prepared for what’s next.",
">\n\nWe should require negative COVID tests for people to fly within the US, too.\nIt makes no difference to me if the person who infects me at LAX is coming in from China, or from Texas.",
">\n\nThere is a high chance anyone that comes from China has Covid right now. Low chance that someone inside America has.",
">\n\nNaw. China’s percent is much higher, sure, but it’s not like US infection rates are low. You can pretty much guarantee an infected American on every sold out domestic flight. The latest variants are super, super contagious, and it only takes one infected person to pose a serious risk to the other people sharing their space, and then all of their families and friends after they land. All flights should still require testing and masking at this point, or all we’ve really accomplished is pacifying the dimwits and xenophobes.\nI know at least 3 people who 100% contracted COVID while flying domestically in the US this last month - because they were isolated for the incubation period beforehand. They were masked the entire time they were in the airport and on the plane.",
">\n\nIf they were masked up and I assume vaccinated and still caught the virus then preventable measures like these aren’t that effective.",
">\n\nIs there a new strain of Covid that isn't in the U.S yet, otherwise what's the point.",
">\n\nUm testing should not ever stop.",
">\n\nAh shit here we go again",
">\n\n\"Who left the fridge open?\"",
">\n\nIt's \"just a cold\" unless it's a non-white person from another country carrying it.\n/s",
">\n\nChina implemented an ineffective vaccine and had 30m+ cases in one day. It’s specifically that gov. refusing to use effective vaccines",
">\n\nAnd the United States had effective vaccines that half the country is not willing to nor willing to wear masks, while complaining to other countries like China about their travel restrictions (from China and Hong Kong). And honestly I’m not oppose to a tighter restriction on China while they are experiencing a surge in new cases just as it did with any other countries that initially loosen covid restrictions, what makes me question this being race or politically motivated is the hypocrisy; people complained about China being oppressive when it was enforcing all the covid restrictions and when they loosen it “China doesn’t care about human lives”.\nSo what exactly do you want them to do?",
">\n\n\nto Require Negative Covid Tests for Travelers From China\n\nLuckily China is well known for its systemic unwillingness to fake or counterfeit things, so everything should be fine.\nhonest.",
">\n\nSeems purely retaliatory with no actual effectiveness.\nEnforcement is over a week away and presumably China has hit its peak already (flights being 40% positive)",
">\n\nThe rich rats are going to buy fake tests and jump ship breaking quarantine just like they did in the first wave. Cutting flights or enforcing quarantines is the only way to prevent this stuff from jumping oceans but god forbid anybody inhibit the jet setters.",
">\n\nHALF of the passengers on a plane from China going to Italy tested positive the other day (tested on arrival). Chances are most if not all of them had negative test results they could show that they took before they left. This won't do anything to stop people coming into the US while positive..we are going to have to go through this all over again and we won't have the same somewhat cooperative response in the US this time if it is a variant that evades immunity... It will get REALLY bad.",
">\n\nSeriously they know red states will just let them in and will never do another shut down again. So start dealt with out break countries this way to slow it down or corner it. But I see very very bad days ahead for China and Russia is starting to report out breaks too.",
">\n\nMust. When?",
">\n\nWe already require this from canada iirc\nEdit: i was wrong, canada requires it from us.",
">\n\nI hope we are talking PCR tests... those store-bought 15-minute ones struggle to get a positive if you have any sort of vaccination, even while symptomatic and miserable.",
">\n\nWell, a little bit of good news. I'll take it.",
">\n\nTravel should have been 100$ restricted a long time ago. Travel should be restricted to any country experiencing a COVID outbreak.",
">\n\nWonderful. Another round of Asian hating.",
">\n\nWho's hating on Asians? We're trying to stop this virus from killing people.",
">\n\nor… ban flights from china??",
">\n\nDoesn’t make sense in singling out China when covid is widespread in every single country",
">\n\nThe extent of covid in china atm is just absurd. Two weeks ago, they had 37 MILLION cases in one day. Think about that. Thats more people than a lot of countries! \nsource",
">\n\nI wonder why China has so much trouble with COVID compared to other countries, despite being so strict."
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Everyone saying this is racist, do not pay attention to the world
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"People from China will travel through Europe and come in to America from the east coast like they did when the pandemic started. This will do nothing if all travelers aboard aren’t made to test.",
">\n\nLet's hope EU and other countries do the same.",
">\n\nI don't know if they will. Australia (for example) had some of the toughest Covid policies and they've essentially just thrown them all out the window.\nSo I don't know how willing countries are to go back to being overly concerned about Covid.",
">\n\nThey should be concerned w chinese, it's spreading like wildfire in china. If we aren't careful, they will come out w covid 20.",
">\n\nIt’s spreading everywhere including the USA. This policy has nothing to do with science or medicine. It’s just politics.",
">\n\nNo. It’s circulating like mad in a population of 1 billion people who haven’t been exposed before. This is how new variants come about. Every country should require negative Covid test for china at least until it cycles through the population",
">\n\n\nNo. It’s circulating like mad in a population of 1 billion people who haven’t been exposed before.\n\nIt's also spreading like mad in all the countries of the world including the USA.\n\nThis is how new variants come about. \n\nAnd they have been for years now.\n\nEvery country should require negative Covid test for china at least until it cycles through the population\n\nOnly for political reasons. There is no scientific or rational demand for this. \nI get it, you hate china, most americans hate china so just be honest and say what you really mean.",
">\n\nStrains are spreading in the west yes, but there are new strains in China that are spreading and we don't know if our vaccines will work with those strains. We know the Chinese vaccines have a low efficacy rate and we know they are not mRNA vaccines which allow for easier adaptation to new strains. Making travelers with a Chinese passport take Covid tests at any and all airports is not racist or even unfair - a reminder that China has been relatively hard to travel to for the last 2 years because they were locked down to foreign travel as well. This is simply good policy from a public health measure, and you not wanting to see that for what it is and instead attribute it to a nascent American hatred for China is laughable. the World Health Organization estimated close to 800 million new cases in China in the next few months, with another estimate 4 million deaths and countless new strains coming out during that period. This is about protection populations, not punishing China.",
">\n\n\nStrains are spreading in the west yes, but there are new strains in China that are spreading and we don't know if our vaccines will work with those strains.\n\nYou don't know if vaccines work against any new variant even if that variant is from a country populated with white people.\n\nWe know the Chinese vaccines have a low efficacy rate and we know they are not mRNA vaccines which allow for easier adaptation to new strains. \n\nThe vaccine doesn't adapt once inside of your body you know that right?\n\nMaking travelers with a Chinese passport take Covid tests at any and all airports is not racist or even unfair \n\nit's definitely unfair and probably racist as well.\n\nhis is simply good policy from a public health measure, a\n\nA good policy would be to require vaccinations from everybody. Think about it, you are requiring a vaccine that you said doesn't even work. How much sense does that make?\n\nattribute it to a nascent American hatred for China is laughable.\n\nNascent?\n\nThis is about protection populations, not punishing China.\n\nIt's definitely about punishing china, it's a part of the current cold war with China conducted by the USA.",
">\n\n\nYou don't know if vaccines work against any new variant even if that variant is from a country populated with white people.\n\nAll the more reason to not invite more new strains into the country. White population or otherwise has nothing to do with it, expected rise in cases in China does.\n\nThe vaccine doesn't adapt once inside of your body you know that right?\n\nYou missed the point. The point i was making was that the Chinese medical system has not even approached Covid with an mRNA vaccine, and steadfastly refused to license western vaccines. If the vaccine most readily available in China has a 50% efficacy then the population is at more risk of contracting the virus and having negative results. The infection rates are increased with each new case of BA.7 (China is currently seeing each covid patient infecting on average 18 other people represented as 1:18, whereas the in US the rate is 1:3.9). Each of these factors increases the risk of developing new strains that are vaccine resistant. \n\nit's definitely unfair and probably racist as well\n\nIs it your position that nations cannot take any prescriptive action to prevent the spread of infected persons from other countries? Again i would remind you that China has basically been locked down for the last 2 years, with severe limitations to personal freedoms themselves. This is not based on race, but rather a government's inability to contain a contagious outbreak in their own country and not wanting it to spread. \n\nA good policy would be to require vaccinations from everybody. Think about it, you are requiring a vaccine that you said doesn't even work. How much sense does that make?\n\nThat might be your definition on good policy, but it isn't mine and that isn't how the west does it. \"I\" am not requiring a vaccine that \"I\" said doesn't work - that was your suggestion not mine. Also, i said the efficacy of the Chinese vaccine is 50% - based on available information - i never said it didn't work, and i never said that it should be mandatory or required.\n\nNascent?\n\nPoor and wrong word choice on my part it seems. What i meant was ascribing the US decision to require testing of Chinese travelers to racism because you believe that the US is racist is laughable. Taking a test to prove that you are covid negative is far less onerous on a traveler than most visa requirements.\n\nIt's definitely about punishing china, it's a part of the current cold war with China conducted by the USA.\n\nCite your sources. I could point to many Chinese government policies that i could say are part of the current cold war with the US without backing it up and it would be just as credible as what you said. Opinion is not a source, and not proof. You assume that the US government is racist, that this policy is racist and yet we have had travel bans imposed on other countries, as well as testing required for travelers from other countries imposed before, and other policies and so has China. For goodness sake China has been closed to foreigners for almost 3 years, and is still closed to foreign travel until January 2023. Is that a racist policy as well?",
">\n\nHere we go again.\nThis time I think I'll learn French cooking.",
">\n\n5000 People a day will have to die before Anybody says the word Lock down in the States ever again.",
">\n\nDon’t understand why people can’t handle staying at home for two weeks when it could potentially eradicate a deadly virus. Are we that weak?",
">\n\nWe did that in large part in March 2020. And did China not spend years locking down their citizens? \nPeoples savings are gone. They need to work. \nWearing a mask would do a lot to help the issue but people aren’t willing to do that anymore.",
">\n\nWe didn't do that though. We didn't all lock down when we were supposed to. Where I work I had to go in from the very start all the way through. Most people, the majority of people, didn't stay home even if they didn't have work. Most people didn't fuck with masks or keeping a distance, and even people who weren't antivaccers didn't take the vaccine seriously for the longest time. \nWe had no fucking lock down, unless you were a well-off celebrity or comedian who wanted to talk about being locked down for content. \nIf people legit locked down, they would have taken a small hit financially, but too many people didn't do shit and prolonged everything.",
">\n\nThe things is that it doesn't take long to drain peoples saving - becuase the overwhelming majority of people have practically none. \nSo an extended lockdown was never feasible unless the government was willing to pay several trillion dollars of expenses, not just 2 or 3 times but several times over.",
">\n\nI didn't dispute any of what you said. I pointed out that most people actively contested any safety measure and most people didn't actually lock down. Any extension will almost certainly be the fault of most of those people. \nI'd gladly let them all die if it meant the few people who did take things seriously didn't have to live through a Walking Dead scenario or have to take a huge financial hit because them.",
">\n\nMost people did lock down just fine initially. After a few weeks turned into a month or more, yeah people got testy.\nAdditionally, a gigantic amount of people work in critical industries and simply cant stay home. Just keeping the lights and water on requires tens of millions of workers, plus industries like plants and refineries that simply cannot shut down without massive long-term consequences.\nReddit is full of office people who can WFH, the vast majority of people cant.",
">\n\nI was one of those who couldn't stay home. Right out of the gate most people gave up on almost all of it except when they were making a show of complying when they had to. There was a lot of cheating. I walk through a lot of different areas. The waves of patients and bodies we got at work tracked with that and became predictable.",
">\n\nWhat’s that saying that ends with ”…doomed to repeat it?”",
">\n\nWhy not just require a negative test from everyone?",
">\n\nWho would you expect to pay for that?",
">\n\nGovernments or sponsors from the private sector ideally, I honestly don’t give a fuck. I’ve gotten many free tests from both and I’ve also bought some for like $8.",
">\n\n“Here we go again” from everyone in the comments. \nThe virus never stopped, we did.",
">\n\nVirus will always be there. Permanent restrictions are unsustainable",
">\n\n3 years later...\nIs this permanent?",
">\n\nI doubt there's anything that would make Republicans running in 2024 happier then Democrats advocating for a return to COVID restrictions.",
">\n\nRight? It’d be like the democrats fighting for gun control, or gay and trans rights, or safe and legal abortions. It would be political suicide to stand for something that Republicans don’t like!",
">\n\nMy understanding is that everything you listed is broadly popular or has at least a majority of American's in favor of it. A return to COVID restrictions is not in that category.",
">\n\nGun control isn’t even universally loved amongst the American left, as the hard left needs them for protection from the hard right they clash with, and the middle left does like having their guns taken as much as any middle right wing does, only mid left likes it",
">\n\nGallup has 57% of Americans feeling that in general gun laws should be more strict.",
">\n\nRegular people want kids to stop dying while in school. The problem is \"stricter laws\" is vague and no one can agree on what it means or give a serious proposal that would work, short of confiscation and bans, which are wildly unpopular.",
">\n\nVague political talking points is the best we’re going to get. Much as I’d love a Ross Perot style of breaking down every platform and promise, the general public doesn’t go for it. Buzz words are all we have the attention span for.",
">\n\nChina's COVID-19 surge raises odds of new coronavirus variants\nThings could get very ugly.",
">\n\nYou say this like covid hasn't been spreading rampantly through literally every country on the planet, mostly without any measures to stop the spread. Why does China get a different treatment and maybe countries should require tests from the US or Inida or Europe?",
">\n\nI agree. US was primarily the culprit of why COVID went rampant to begin with. We actively refused to enforce any sort of safety measures, just a mild suggestion of \"maybe wear a mask, if you want to, it's ok if you don't\" and \"we have vaccines if you want one, no pressure tho\". That was really our response to the world's deadliest pandemic.",
">\n\nWe actively made fun of zero covid approaches on reddit and now based on the comments on this thread we are suddenly pro “zero covid” approaches",
">\n\nEveryone finally watched contagion",
">\n\nSo far my 2023 bingo card is reading alooot of skull and crossbones, I think I might actually win at something next year, what does your score card look like?",
">\n\nWhen’s that $1200 going to hit my account?",
">\n\nI’m still living off mine from last time!",
">\n\nI’m still looking for mine",
">\n\nI’m waiting for that $600 bucks from Biden still, but that’s going right into my retirement!",
">\n\nYou dont get he meant to include any money you already received as well /s",
">\n\nI seem to remember campaign ads with $2000 checks.",
">\n\nYep they explicitly mentioned $2,000 checks.",
">\n\nMy comment was sarcasm but in retrospect there are so many neoliberals saying that word for word in all seriousness that I should and will add a sarcasm tag",
">\n\nThat's nice and all, but let's not act like we're not just ignoring our own COVID problems.",
">\n\n\n\"You don't have zero tolerance anymore? We can't tolerate that.\"\n\n- Country with 100% tolerance",
">\n\nWhy not require a negative COVID test from everyone entering the country? It’s like they don’t want COVID to be under control.",
">\n\nI think this is because China has a relatively low vaccination rate because they relied on lock downs. Now that lock downs are being ramped down, they are having a huge surge.",
">\n\nThe vaccination rate in China is considerably higher than the US (92% vs 81%). This is just another example of yellow peril",
">\n\nThank you for pointing this out. What I said above was wrong about the vaccination rate. I don’t know why exactly China is having a surge. 🤷♂️",
">\n\nTheir vaccination rate is high but their vaccine, SinoVac is based on old tech. It conveys effectively zero protection from variants when compared to all the other types of vaccines on the market.",
">\n\nYou guys are so full of shit. At 3 doses Sinovac gives the same protection as any western vaccine with boosters to help mitigate mutated variants. Stop spreading misinfo.",
">\n\n\"Does that thumbnail of someone getting tested read too much like 'screaming uselessly into the void'?\"\n\"I'm sure it'll be fine.\"",
">\n\nMaybe, just maybe they shouldnt have stopped testing airplane passengers in the first place... \nWe have cheap, readily available tests that take 10 minutes to complete. There’s really no reason not to test ever passenger before boarding...",
">\n\nEveryone I know who had Omicron tested negative until their symptoms cleared. It was evading the RATs, for some reason.",
">\n\nI tested positive on a rapid test two days after getting congested. Every teacher coworker of mine who bothered to test after getting cold symptoms also did. I think it's why so few parents now test their kids before sending time to school sick. They don't want to know so we all find out when we or our family members then test positive, missing work on their sick kids' behalf so they didn't have to. \nI have also heard the rapid test can give false negatives but anecdotal references don't mean much.",
">\n\nA day late and a dollar short. Same old song and dance.",
">\n\nWow, it’s like history literally repeating itself.",
">\n\nIndeed it is. I hope everyone is prepared for what’s next.",
">\n\nWe should require negative COVID tests for people to fly within the US, too.\nIt makes no difference to me if the person who infects me at LAX is coming in from China, or from Texas.",
">\n\nThere is a high chance anyone that comes from China has Covid right now. Low chance that someone inside America has.",
">\n\nNaw. China’s percent is much higher, sure, but it’s not like US infection rates are low. You can pretty much guarantee an infected American on every sold out domestic flight. The latest variants are super, super contagious, and it only takes one infected person to pose a serious risk to the other people sharing their space, and then all of their families and friends after they land. All flights should still require testing and masking at this point, or all we’ve really accomplished is pacifying the dimwits and xenophobes.\nI know at least 3 people who 100% contracted COVID while flying domestically in the US this last month - because they were isolated for the incubation period beforehand. They were masked the entire time they were in the airport and on the plane.",
">\n\nIf they were masked up and I assume vaccinated and still caught the virus then preventable measures like these aren’t that effective.",
">\n\nIs there a new strain of Covid that isn't in the U.S yet, otherwise what's the point.",
">\n\nUm testing should not ever stop.",
">\n\nAh shit here we go again",
">\n\n\"Who left the fridge open?\"",
">\n\nIt's \"just a cold\" unless it's a non-white person from another country carrying it.\n/s",
">\n\nChina implemented an ineffective vaccine and had 30m+ cases in one day. It’s specifically that gov. refusing to use effective vaccines",
">\n\nAnd the United States had effective vaccines that half the country is not willing to nor willing to wear masks, while complaining to other countries like China about their travel restrictions (from China and Hong Kong). And honestly I’m not oppose to a tighter restriction on China while they are experiencing a surge in new cases just as it did with any other countries that initially loosen covid restrictions, what makes me question this being race or politically motivated is the hypocrisy; people complained about China being oppressive when it was enforcing all the covid restrictions and when they loosen it “China doesn’t care about human lives”.\nSo what exactly do you want them to do?",
">\n\n\nto Require Negative Covid Tests for Travelers From China\n\nLuckily China is well known for its systemic unwillingness to fake or counterfeit things, so everything should be fine.\nhonest.",
">\n\nSeems purely retaliatory with no actual effectiveness.\nEnforcement is over a week away and presumably China has hit its peak already (flights being 40% positive)",
">\n\nThe rich rats are going to buy fake tests and jump ship breaking quarantine just like they did in the first wave. Cutting flights or enforcing quarantines is the only way to prevent this stuff from jumping oceans but god forbid anybody inhibit the jet setters.",
">\n\nHALF of the passengers on a plane from China going to Italy tested positive the other day (tested on arrival). Chances are most if not all of them had negative test results they could show that they took before they left. This won't do anything to stop people coming into the US while positive..we are going to have to go through this all over again and we won't have the same somewhat cooperative response in the US this time if it is a variant that evades immunity... It will get REALLY bad.",
">\n\nSeriously they know red states will just let them in and will never do another shut down again. So start dealt with out break countries this way to slow it down or corner it. But I see very very bad days ahead for China and Russia is starting to report out breaks too.",
">\n\nMust. When?",
">\n\nWe already require this from canada iirc\nEdit: i was wrong, canada requires it from us.",
">\n\nI hope we are talking PCR tests... those store-bought 15-minute ones struggle to get a positive if you have any sort of vaccination, even while symptomatic and miserable.",
">\n\nWell, a little bit of good news. I'll take it.",
">\n\nTravel should have been 100$ restricted a long time ago. Travel should be restricted to any country experiencing a COVID outbreak.",
">\n\nWonderful. Another round of Asian hating.",
">\n\nWho's hating on Asians? We're trying to stop this virus from killing people.",
">\n\nor… ban flights from china??",
">\n\nDoesn’t make sense in singling out China when covid is widespread in every single country",
">\n\nThe extent of covid in china atm is just absurd. Two weeks ago, they had 37 MILLION cases in one day. Think about that. Thats more people than a lot of countries! \nsource",
">\n\nI wonder why China has so much trouble with COVID compared to other countries, despite being so strict.",
">\n\nIt’s because they had the zero covid approaches that people are advocating for in this thread and they suddenly reversed course. Everyone in China is getting it so fast its likely the same variants quickly spreading in a population that suddenly reversed course. Having many people getting it over time and exposed to new generations of the virus (which is what happens over time) is more insidious but people here think thats fine"
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It was called racist and xenophobic when Trump did it. The left are hypocritical emotional wrecks.
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"People from China will travel through Europe and come in to America from the east coast like they did when the pandemic started. This will do nothing if all travelers aboard aren’t made to test.",
">\n\nLet's hope EU and other countries do the same.",
">\n\nI don't know if they will. Australia (for example) had some of the toughest Covid policies and they've essentially just thrown them all out the window.\nSo I don't know how willing countries are to go back to being overly concerned about Covid.",
">\n\nThey should be concerned w chinese, it's spreading like wildfire in china. If we aren't careful, they will come out w covid 20.",
">\n\nIt’s spreading everywhere including the USA. This policy has nothing to do with science or medicine. It’s just politics.",
">\n\nNo. It’s circulating like mad in a population of 1 billion people who haven’t been exposed before. This is how new variants come about. Every country should require negative Covid test for china at least until it cycles through the population",
">\n\n\nNo. It’s circulating like mad in a population of 1 billion people who haven’t been exposed before.\n\nIt's also spreading like mad in all the countries of the world including the USA.\n\nThis is how new variants come about. \n\nAnd they have been for years now.\n\nEvery country should require negative Covid test for china at least until it cycles through the population\n\nOnly for political reasons. There is no scientific or rational demand for this. \nI get it, you hate china, most americans hate china so just be honest and say what you really mean.",
">\n\nStrains are spreading in the west yes, but there are new strains in China that are spreading and we don't know if our vaccines will work with those strains. We know the Chinese vaccines have a low efficacy rate and we know they are not mRNA vaccines which allow for easier adaptation to new strains. Making travelers with a Chinese passport take Covid tests at any and all airports is not racist or even unfair - a reminder that China has been relatively hard to travel to for the last 2 years because they were locked down to foreign travel as well. This is simply good policy from a public health measure, and you not wanting to see that for what it is and instead attribute it to a nascent American hatred for China is laughable. the World Health Organization estimated close to 800 million new cases in China in the next few months, with another estimate 4 million deaths and countless new strains coming out during that period. This is about protection populations, not punishing China.",
">\n\n\nStrains are spreading in the west yes, but there are new strains in China that are spreading and we don't know if our vaccines will work with those strains.\n\nYou don't know if vaccines work against any new variant even if that variant is from a country populated with white people.\n\nWe know the Chinese vaccines have a low efficacy rate and we know they are not mRNA vaccines which allow for easier adaptation to new strains. \n\nThe vaccine doesn't adapt once inside of your body you know that right?\n\nMaking travelers with a Chinese passport take Covid tests at any and all airports is not racist or even unfair \n\nit's definitely unfair and probably racist as well.\n\nhis is simply good policy from a public health measure, a\n\nA good policy would be to require vaccinations from everybody. Think about it, you are requiring a vaccine that you said doesn't even work. How much sense does that make?\n\nattribute it to a nascent American hatred for China is laughable.\n\nNascent?\n\nThis is about protection populations, not punishing China.\n\nIt's definitely about punishing china, it's a part of the current cold war with China conducted by the USA.",
">\n\n\nYou don't know if vaccines work against any new variant even if that variant is from a country populated with white people.\n\nAll the more reason to not invite more new strains into the country. White population or otherwise has nothing to do with it, expected rise in cases in China does.\n\nThe vaccine doesn't adapt once inside of your body you know that right?\n\nYou missed the point. The point i was making was that the Chinese medical system has not even approached Covid with an mRNA vaccine, and steadfastly refused to license western vaccines. If the vaccine most readily available in China has a 50% efficacy then the population is at more risk of contracting the virus and having negative results. The infection rates are increased with each new case of BA.7 (China is currently seeing each covid patient infecting on average 18 other people represented as 1:18, whereas the in US the rate is 1:3.9). Each of these factors increases the risk of developing new strains that are vaccine resistant. \n\nit's definitely unfair and probably racist as well\n\nIs it your position that nations cannot take any prescriptive action to prevent the spread of infected persons from other countries? Again i would remind you that China has basically been locked down for the last 2 years, with severe limitations to personal freedoms themselves. This is not based on race, but rather a government's inability to contain a contagious outbreak in their own country and not wanting it to spread. \n\nA good policy would be to require vaccinations from everybody. Think about it, you are requiring a vaccine that you said doesn't even work. How much sense does that make?\n\nThat might be your definition on good policy, but it isn't mine and that isn't how the west does it. \"I\" am not requiring a vaccine that \"I\" said doesn't work - that was your suggestion not mine. Also, i said the efficacy of the Chinese vaccine is 50% - based on available information - i never said it didn't work, and i never said that it should be mandatory or required.\n\nNascent?\n\nPoor and wrong word choice on my part it seems. What i meant was ascribing the US decision to require testing of Chinese travelers to racism because you believe that the US is racist is laughable. Taking a test to prove that you are covid negative is far less onerous on a traveler than most visa requirements.\n\nIt's definitely about punishing china, it's a part of the current cold war with China conducted by the USA.\n\nCite your sources. I could point to many Chinese government policies that i could say are part of the current cold war with the US without backing it up and it would be just as credible as what you said. Opinion is not a source, and not proof. You assume that the US government is racist, that this policy is racist and yet we have had travel bans imposed on other countries, as well as testing required for travelers from other countries imposed before, and other policies and so has China. For goodness sake China has been closed to foreigners for almost 3 years, and is still closed to foreign travel until January 2023. Is that a racist policy as well?",
">\n\nHere we go again.\nThis time I think I'll learn French cooking.",
">\n\n5000 People a day will have to die before Anybody says the word Lock down in the States ever again.",
">\n\nDon’t understand why people can’t handle staying at home for two weeks when it could potentially eradicate a deadly virus. Are we that weak?",
">\n\nWe did that in large part in March 2020. And did China not spend years locking down their citizens? \nPeoples savings are gone. They need to work. \nWearing a mask would do a lot to help the issue but people aren’t willing to do that anymore.",
">\n\nWe didn't do that though. We didn't all lock down when we were supposed to. Where I work I had to go in from the very start all the way through. Most people, the majority of people, didn't stay home even if they didn't have work. Most people didn't fuck with masks or keeping a distance, and even people who weren't antivaccers didn't take the vaccine seriously for the longest time. \nWe had no fucking lock down, unless you were a well-off celebrity or comedian who wanted to talk about being locked down for content. \nIf people legit locked down, they would have taken a small hit financially, but too many people didn't do shit and prolonged everything.",
">\n\nThe things is that it doesn't take long to drain peoples saving - becuase the overwhelming majority of people have practically none. \nSo an extended lockdown was never feasible unless the government was willing to pay several trillion dollars of expenses, not just 2 or 3 times but several times over.",
">\n\nI didn't dispute any of what you said. I pointed out that most people actively contested any safety measure and most people didn't actually lock down. Any extension will almost certainly be the fault of most of those people. \nI'd gladly let them all die if it meant the few people who did take things seriously didn't have to live through a Walking Dead scenario or have to take a huge financial hit because them.",
">\n\nMost people did lock down just fine initially. After a few weeks turned into a month or more, yeah people got testy.\nAdditionally, a gigantic amount of people work in critical industries and simply cant stay home. Just keeping the lights and water on requires tens of millions of workers, plus industries like plants and refineries that simply cannot shut down without massive long-term consequences.\nReddit is full of office people who can WFH, the vast majority of people cant.",
">\n\nI was one of those who couldn't stay home. Right out of the gate most people gave up on almost all of it except when they were making a show of complying when they had to. There was a lot of cheating. I walk through a lot of different areas. The waves of patients and bodies we got at work tracked with that and became predictable.",
">\n\nWhat’s that saying that ends with ”…doomed to repeat it?”",
">\n\nWhy not just require a negative test from everyone?",
">\n\nWho would you expect to pay for that?",
">\n\nGovernments or sponsors from the private sector ideally, I honestly don’t give a fuck. I’ve gotten many free tests from both and I’ve also bought some for like $8.",
">\n\n“Here we go again” from everyone in the comments. \nThe virus never stopped, we did.",
">\n\nVirus will always be there. Permanent restrictions are unsustainable",
">\n\n3 years later...\nIs this permanent?",
">\n\nI doubt there's anything that would make Republicans running in 2024 happier then Democrats advocating for a return to COVID restrictions.",
">\n\nRight? It’d be like the democrats fighting for gun control, or gay and trans rights, or safe and legal abortions. It would be political suicide to stand for something that Republicans don’t like!",
">\n\nMy understanding is that everything you listed is broadly popular or has at least a majority of American's in favor of it. A return to COVID restrictions is not in that category.",
">\n\nGun control isn’t even universally loved amongst the American left, as the hard left needs them for protection from the hard right they clash with, and the middle left does like having their guns taken as much as any middle right wing does, only mid left likes it",
">\n\nGallup has 57% of Americans feeling that in general gun laws should be more strict.",
">\n\nRegular people want kids to stop dying while in school. The problem is \"stricter laws\" is vague and no one can agree on what it means or give a serious proposal that would work, short of confiscation and bans, which are wildly unpopular.",
">\n\nVague political talking points is the best we’re going to get. Much as I’d love a Ross Perot style of breaking down every platform and promise, the general public doesn’t go for it. Buzz words are all we have the attention span for.",
">\n\nChina's COVID-19 surge raises odds of new coronavirus variants\nThings could get very ugly.",
">\n\nYou say this like covid hasn't been spreading rampantly through literally every country on the planet, mostly without any measures to stop the spread. Why does China get a different treatment and maybe countries should require tests from the US or Inida or Europe?",
">\n\nI agree. US was primarily the culprit of why COVID went rampant to begin with. We actively refused to enforce any sort of safety measures, just a mild suggestion of \"maybe wear a mask, if you want to, it's ok if you don't\" and \"we have vaccines if you want one, no pressure tho\". That was really our response to the world's deadliest pandemic.",
">\n\nWe actively made fun of zero covid approaches on reddit and now based on the comments on this thread we are suddenly pro “zero covid” approaches",
">\n\nEveryone finally watched contagion",
">\n\nSo far my 2023 bingo card is reading alooot of skull and crossbones, I think I might actually win at something next year, what does your score card look like?",
">\n\nWhen’s that $1200 going to hit my account?",
">\n\nI’m still living off mine from last time!",
">\n\nI’m still looking for mine",
">\n\nI’m waiting for that $600 bucks from Biden still, but that’s going right into my retirement!",
">\n\nYou dont get he meant to include any money you already received as well /s",
">\n\nI seem to remember campaign ads with $2000 checks.",
">\n\nYep they explicitly mentioned $2,000 checks.",
">\n\nMy comment was sarcasm but in retrospect there are so many neoliberals saying that word for word in all seriousness that I should and will add a sarcasm tag",
">\n\nThat's nice and all, but let's not act like we're not just ignoring our own COVID problems.",
">\n\n\n\"You don't have zero tolerance anymore? We can't tolerate that.\"\n\n- Country with 100% tolerance",
">\n\nWhy not require a negative COVID test from everyone entering the country? It’s like they don’t want COVID to be under control.",
">\n\nI think this is because China has a relatively low vaccination rate because they relied on lock downs. Now that lock downs are being ramped down, they are having a huge surge.",
">\n\nThe vaccination rate in China is considerably higher than the US (92% vs 81%). This is just another example of yellow peril",
">\n\nThank you for pointing this out. What I said above was wrong about the vaccination rate. I don’t know why exactly China is having a surge. 🤷♂️",
">\n\nTheir vaccination rate is high but their vaccine, SinoVac is based on old tech. It conveys effectively zero protection from variants when compared to all the other types of vaccines on the market.",
">\n\nYou guys are so full of shit. At 3 doses Sinovac gives the same protection as any western vaccine with boosters to help mitigate mutated variants. Stop spreading misinfo.",
">\n\n\"Does that thumbnail of someone getting tested read too much like 'screaming uselessly into the void'?\"\n\"I'm sure it'll be fine.\"",
">\n\nMaybe, just maybe they shouldnt have stopped testing airplane passengers in the first place... \nWe have cheap, readily available tests that take 10 minutes to complete. There’s really no reason not to test ever passenger before boarding...",
">\n\nEveryone I know who had Omicron tested negative until their symptoms cleared. It was evading the RATs, for some reason.",
">\n\nI tested positive on a rapid test two days after getting congested. Every teacher coworker of mine who bothered to test after getting cold symptoms also did. I think it's why so few parents now test their kids before sending time to school sick. They don't want to know so we all find out when we or our family members then test positive, missing work on their sick kids' behalf so they didn't have to. \nI have also heard the rapid test can give false negatives but anecdotal references don't mean much.",
">\n\nA day late and a dollar short. Same old song and dance.",
">\n\nWow, it’s like history literally repeating itself.",
">\n\nIndeed it is. I hope everyone is prepared for what’s next.",
">\n\nWe should require negative COVID tests for people to fly within the US, too.\nIt makes no difference to me if the person who infects me at LAX is coming in from China, or from Texas.",
">\n\nThere is a high chance anyone that comes from China has Covid right now. Low chance that someone inside America has.",
">\n\nNaw. China’s percent is much higher, sure, but it’s not like US infection rates are low. You can pretty much guarantee an infected American on every sold out domestic flight. The latest variants are super, super contagious, and it only takes one infected person to pose a serious risk to the other people sharing their space, and then all of their families and friends after they land. All flights should still require testing and masking at this point, or all we’ve really accomplished is pacifying the dimwits and xenophobes.\nI know at least 3 people who 100% contracted COVID while flying domestically in the US this last month - because they were isolated for the incubation period beforehand. They were masked the entire time they were in the airport and on the plane.",
">\n\nIf they were masked up and I assume vaccinated and still caught the virus then preventable measures like these aren’t that effective.",
">\n\nIs there a new strain of Covid that isn't in the U.S yet, otherwise what's the point.",
">\n\nUm testing should not ever stop.",
">\n\nAh shit here we go again",
">\n\n\"Who left the fridge open?\"",
">\n\nIt's \"just a cold\" unless it's a non-white person from another country carrying it.\n/s",
">\n\nChina implemented an ineffective vaccine and had 30m+ cases in one day. It’s specifically that gov. refusing to use effective vaccines",
">\n\nAnd the United States had effective vaccines that half the country is not willing to nor willing to wear masks, while complaining to other countries like China about their travel restrictions (from China and Hong Kong). And honestly I’m not oppose to a tighter restriction on China while they are experiencing a surge in new cases just as it did with any other countries that initially loosen covid restrictions, what makes me question this being race or politically motivated is the hypocrisy; people complained about China being oppressive when it was enforcing all the covid restrictions and when they loosen it “China doesn’t care about human lives”.\nSo what exactly do you want them to do?",
">\n\n\nto Require Negative Covid Tests for Travelers From China\n\nLuckily China is well known for its systemic unwillingness to fake or counterfeit things, so everything should be fine.\nhonest.",
">\n\nSeems purely retaliatory with no actual effectiveness.\nEnforcement is over a week away and presumably China has hit its peak already (flights being 40% positive)",
">\n\nThe rich rats are going to buy fake tests and jump ship breaking quarantine just like they did in the first wave. Cutting flights or enforcing quarantines is the only way to prevent this stuff from jumping oceans but god forbid anybody inhibit the jet setters.",
">\n\nHALF of the passengers on a plane from China going to Italy tested positive the other day (tested on arrival). Chances are most if not all of them had negative test results they could show that they took before they left. This won't do anything to stop people coming into the US while positive..we are going to have to go through this all over again and we won't have the same somewhat cooperative response in the US this time if it is a variant that evades immunity... It will get REALLY bad.",
">\n\nSeriously they know red states will just let them in and will never do another shut down again. So start dealt with out break countries this way to slow it down or corner it. But I see very very bad days ahead for China and Russia is starting to report out breaks too.",
">\n\nMust. When?",
">\n\nWe already require this from canada iirc\nEdit: i was wrong, canada requires it from us.",
">\n\nI hope we are talking PCR tests... those store-bought 15-minute ones struggle to get a positive if you have any sort of vaccination, even while symptomatic and miserable.",
">\n\nWell, a little bit of good news. I'll take it.",
">\n\nTravel should have been 100$ restricted a long time ago. Travel should be restricted to any country experiencing a COVID outbreak.",
">\n\nWonderful. Another round of Asian hating.",
">\n\nWho's hating on Asians? We're trying to stop this virus from killing people.",
">\n\nor… ban flights from china??",
">\n\nDoesn’t make sense in singling out China when covid is widespread in every single country",
">\n\nThe extent of covid in china atm is just absurd. Two weeks ago, they had 37 MILLION cases in one day. Think about that. Thats more people than a lot of countries! \nsource",
">\n\nI wonder why China has so much trouble with COVID compared to other countries, despite being so strict.",
">\n\nIt’s because they had the zero covid approaches that people are advocating for in this thread and they suddenly reversed course. Everyone in China is getting it so fast its likely the same variants quickly spreading in a population that suddenly reversed course. Having many people getting it over time and exposed to new generations of the virus (which is what happens over time) is more insidious but people here think thats fine",
">\n\nEveryone saying this is racist, do not pay attention to the world"
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nah trump was racist or did you forget he called it the “china virus” and subsequent hate crimes increased against adians
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"People from China will travel through Europe and come in to America from the east coast like they did when the pandemic started. This will do nothing if all travelers aboard aren’t made to test.",
">\n\nLet's hope EU and other countries do the same.",
">\n\nI don't know if they will. Australia (for example) had some of the toughest Covid policies and they've essentially just thrown them all out the window.\nSo I don't know how willing countries are to go back to being overly concerned about Covid.",
">\n\nThey should be concerned w chinese, it's spreading like wildfire in china. If we aren't careful, they will come out w covid 20.",
">\n\nIt’s spreading everywhere including the USA. This policy has nothing to do with science or medicine. It’s just politics.",
">\n\nNo. It’s circulating like mad in a population of 1 billion people who haven’t been exposed before. This is how new variants come about. Every country should require negative Covid test for china at least until it cycles through the population",
">\n\n\nNo. It’s circulating like mad in a population of 1 billion people who haven’t been exposed before.\n\nIt's also spreading like mad in all the countries of the world including the USA.\n\nThis is how new variants come about. \n\nAnd they have been for years now.\n\nEvery country should require negative Covid test for china at least until it cycles through the population\n\nOnly for political reasons. There is no scientific or rational demand for this. \nI get it, you hate china, most americans hate china so just be honest and say what you really mean.",
">\n\nStrains are spreading in the west yes, but there are new strains in China that are spreading and we don't know if our vaccines will work with those strains. We know the Chinese vaccines have a low efficacy rate and we know they are not mRNA vaccines which allow for easier adaptation to new strains. Making travelers with a Chinese passport take Covid tests at any and all airports is not racist or even unfair - a reminder that China has been relatively hard to travel to for the last 2 years because they were locked down to foreign travel as well. This is simply good policy from a public health measure, and you not wanting to see that for what it is and instead attribute it to a nascent American hatred for China is laughable. the World Health Organization estimated close to 800 million new cases in China in the next few months, with another estimate 4 million deaths and countless new strains coming out during that period. This is about protection populations, not punishing China.",
">\n\n\nStrains are spreading in the west yes, but there are new strains in China that are spreading and we don't know if our vaccines will work with those strains.\n\nYou don't know if vaccines work against any new variant even if that variant is from a country populated with white people.\n\nWe know the Chinese vaccines have a low efficacy rate and we know they are not mRNA vaccines which allow for easier adaptation to new strains. \n\nThe vaccine doesn't adapt once inside of your body you know that right?\n\nMaking travelers with a Chinese passport take Covid tests at any and all airports is not racist or even unfair \n\nit's definitely unfair and probably racist as well.\n\nhis is simply good policy from a public health measure, a\n\nA good policy would be to require vaccinations from everybody. Think about it, you are requiring a vaccine that you said doesn't even work. How much sense does that make?\n\nattribute it to a nascent American hatred for China is laughable.\n\nNascent?\n\nThis is about protection populations, not punishing China.\n\nIt's definitely about punishing china, it's a part of the current cold war with China conducted by the USA.",
">\n\n\nYou don't know if vaccines work against any new variant even if that variant is from a country populated with white people.\n\nAll the more reason to not invite more new strains into the country. White population or otherwise has nothing to do with it, expected rise in cases in China does.\n\nThe vaccine doesn't adapt once inside of your body you know that right?\n\nYou missed the point. The point i was making was that the Chinese medical system has not even approached Covid with an mRNA vaccine, and steadfastly refused to license western vaccines. If the vaccine most readily available in China has a 50% efficacy then the population is at more risk of contracting the virus and having negative results. The infection rates are increased with each new case of BA.7 (China is currently seeing each covid patient infecting on average 18 other people represented as 1:18, whereas the in US the rate is 1:3.9). Each of these factors increases the risk of developing new strains that are vaccine resistant. \n\nit's definitely unfair and probably racist as well\n\nIs it your position that nations cannot take any prescriptive action to prevent the spread of infected persons from other countries? Again i would remind you that China has basically been locked down for the last 2 years, with severe limitations to personal freedoms themselves. This is not based on race, but rather a government's inability to contain a contagious outbreak in their own country and not wanting it to spread. \n\nA good policy would be to require vaccinations from everybody. Think about it, you are requiring a vaccine that you said doesn't even work. How much sense does that make?\n\nThat might be your definition on good policy, but it isn't mine and that isn't how the west does it. \"I\" am not requiring a vaccine that \"I\" said doesn't work - that was your suggestion not mine. Also, i said the efficacy of the Chinese vaccine is 50% - based on available information - i never said it didn't work, and i never said that it should be mandatory or required.\n\nNascent?\n\nPoor and wrong word choice on my part it seems. What i meant was ascribing the US decision to require testing of Chinese travelers to racism because you believe that the US is racist is laughable. Taking a test to prove that you are covid negative is far less onerous on a traveler than most visa requirements.\n\nIt's definitely about punishing china, it's a part of the current cold war with China conducted by the USA.\n\nCite your sources. I could point to many Chinese government policies that i could say are part of the current cold war with the US without backing it up and it would be just as credible as what you said. Opinion is not a source, and not proof. You assume that the US government is racist, that this policy is racist and yet we have had travel bans imposed on other countries, as well as testing required for travelers from other countries imposed before, and other policies and so has China. For goodness sake China has been closed to foreigners for almost 3 years, and is still closed to foreign travel until January 2023. Is that a racist policy as well?",
">\n\nHere we go again.\nThis time I think I'll learn French cooking.",
">\n\n5000 People a day will have to die before Anybody says the word Lock down in the States ever again.",
">\n\nDon’t understand why people can’t handle staying at home for two weeks when it could potentially eradicate a deadly virus. Are we that weak?",
">\n\nWe did that in large part in March 2020. And did China not spend years locking down their citizens? \nPeoples savings are gone. They need to work. \nWearing a mask would do a lot to help the issue but people aren’t willing to do that anymore.",
">\n\nWe didn't do that though. We didn't all lock down when we were supposed to. Where I work I had to go in from the very start all the way through. Most people, the majority of people, didn't stay home even if they didn't have work. Most people didn't fuck with masks or keeping a distance, and even people who weren't antivaccers didn't take the vaccine seriously for the longest time. \nWe had no fucking lock down, unless you were a well-off celebrity or comedian who wanted to talk about being locked down for content. \nIf people legit locked down, they would have taken a small hit financially, but too many people didn't do shit and prolonged everything.",
">\n\nThe things is that it doesn't take long to drain peoples saving - becuase the overwhelming majority of people have practically none. \nSo an extended lockdown was never feasible unless the government was willing to pay several trillion dollars of expenses, not just 2 or 3 times but several times over.",
">\n\nI didn't dispute any of what you said. I pointed out that most people actively contested any safety measure and most people didn't actually lock down. Any extension will almost certainly be the fault of most of those people. \nI'd gladly let them all die if it meant the few people who did take things seriously didn't have to live through a Walking Dead scenario or have to take a huge financial hit because them.",
">\n\nMost people did lock down just fine initially. After a few weeks turned into a month or more, yeah people got testy.\nAdditionally, a gigantic amount of people work in critical industries and simply cant stay home. Just keeping the lights and water on requires tens of millions of workers, plus industries like plants and refineries that simply cannot shut down without massive long-term consequences.\nReddit is full of office people who can WFH, the vast majority of people cant.",
">\n\nI was one of those who couldn't stay home. Right out of the gate most people gave up on almost all of it except when they were making a show of complying when they had to. There was a lot of cheating. I walk through a lot of different areas. The waves of patients and bodies we got at work tracked with that and became predictable.",
">\n\nWhat’s that saying that ends with ”…doomed to repeat it?”",
">\n\nWhy not just require a negative test from everyone?",
">\n\nWho would you expect to pay for that?",
">\n\nGovernments or sponsors from the private sector ideally, I honestly don’t give a fuck. I’ve gotten many free tests from both and I’ve also bought some for like $8.",
">\n\n“Here we go again” from everyone in the comments. \nThe virus never stopped, we did.",
">\n\nVirus will always be there. Permanent restrictions are unsustainable",
">\n\n3 years later...\nIs this permanent?",
">\n\nI doubt there's anything that would make Republicans running in 2024 happier then Democrats advocating for a return to COVID restrictions.",
">\n\nRight? It’d be like the democrats fighting for gun control, or gay and trans rights, or safe and legal abortions. It would be political suicide to stand for something that Republicans don’t like!",
">\n\nMy understanding is that everything you listed is broadly popular or has at least a majority of American's in favor of it. A return to COVID restrictions is not in that category.",
">\n\nGun control isn’t even universally loved amongst the American left, as the hard left needs them for protection from the hard right they clash with, and the middle left does like having their guns taken as much as any middle right wing does, only mid left likes it",
">\n\nGallup has 57% of Americans feeling that in general gun laws should be more strict.",
">\n\nRegular people want kids to stop dying while in school. The problem is \"stricter laws\" is vague and no one can agree on what it means or give a serious proposal that would work, short of confiscation and bans, which are wildly unpopular.",
">\n\nVague political talking points is the best we’re going to get. Much as I’d love a Ross Perot style of breaking down every platform and promise, the general public doesn’t go for it. Buzz words are all we have the attention span for.",
">\n\nChina's COVID-19 surge raises odds of new coronavirus variants\nThings could get very ugly.",
">\n\nYou say this like covid hasn't been spreading rampantly through literally every country on the planet, mostly without any measures to stop the spread. Why does China get a different treatment and maybe countries should require tests from the US or Inida or Europe?",
">\n\nI agree. US was primarily the culprit of why COVID went rampant to begin with. We actively refused to enforce any sort of safety measures, just a mild suggestion of \"maybe wear a mask, if you want to, it's ok if you don't\" and \"we have vaccines if you want one, no pressure tho\". That was really our response to the world's deadliest pandemic.",
">\n\nWe actively made fun of zero covid approaches on reddit and now based on the comments on this thread we are suddenly pro “zero covid” approaches",
">\n\nEveryone finally watched contagion",
">\n\nSo far my 2023 bingo card is reading alooot of skull and crossbones, I think I might actually win at something next year, what does your score card look like?",
">\n\nWhen’s that $1200 going to hit my account?",
">\n\nI’m still living off mine from last time!",
">\n\nI’m still looking for mine",
">\n\nI’m waiting for that $600 bucks from Biden still, but that’s going right into my retirement!",
">\n\nYou dont get he meant to include any money you already received as well /s",
">\n\nI seem to remember campaign ads with $2000 checks.",
">\n\nYep they explicitly mentioned $2,000 checks.",
">\n\nMy comment was sarcasm but in retrospect there are so many neoliberals saying that word for word in all seriousness that I should and will add a sarcasm tag",
">\n\nThat's nice and all, but let's not act like we're not just ignoring our own COVID problems.",
">\n\n\n\"You don't have zero tolerance anymore? We can't tolerate that.\"\n\n- Country with 100% tolerance",
">\n\nWhy not require a negative COVID test from everyone entering the country? It’s like they don’t want COVID to be under control.",
">\n\nI think this is because China has a relatively low vaccination rate because they relied on lock downs. Now that lock downs are being ramped down, they are having a huge surge.",
">\n\nThe vaccination rate in China is considerably higher than the US (92% vs 81%). This is just another example of yellow peril",
">\n\nThank you for pointing this out. What I said above was wrong about the vaccination rate. I don’t know why exactly China is having a surge. 🤷♂️",
">\n\nTheir vaccination rate is high but their vaccine, SinoVac is based on old tech. It conveys effectively zero protection from variants when compared to all the other types of vaccines on the market.",
">\n\nYou guys are so full of shit. At 3 doses Sinovac gives the same protection as any western vaccine with boosters to help mitigate mutated variants. Stop spreading misinfo.",
">\n\n\"Does that thumbnail of someone getting tested read too much like 'screaming uselessly into the void'?\"\n\"I'm sure it'll be fine.\"",
">\n\nMaybe, just maybe they shouldnt have stopped testing airplane passengers in the first place... \nWe have cheap, readily available tests that take 10 minutes to complete. There’s really no reason not to test ever passenger before boarding...",
">\n\nEveryone I know who had Omicron tested negative until their symptoms cleared. It was evading the RATs, for some reason.",
">\n\nI tested positive on a rapid test two days after getting congested. Every teacher coworker of mine who bothered to test after getting cold symptoms also did. I think it's why so few parents now test their kids before sending time to school sick. They don't want to know so we all find out when we or our family members then test positive, missing work on their sick kids' behalf so they didn't have to. \nI have also heard the rapid test can give false negatives but anecdotal references don't mean much.",
">\n\nA day late and a dollar short. Same old song and dance.",
">\n\nWow, it’s like history literally repeating itself.",
">\n\nIndeed it is. I hope everyone is prepared for what’s next.",
">\n\nWe should require negative COVID tests for people to fly within the US, too.\nIt makes no difference to me if the person who infects me at LAX is coming in from China, or from Texas.",
">\n\nThere is a high chance anyone that comes from China has Covid right now. Low chance that someone inside America has.",
">\n\nNaw. China’s percent is much higher, sure, but it’s not like US infection rates are low. You can pretty much guarantee an infected American on every sold out domestic flight. The latest variants are super, super contagious, and it only takes one infected person to pose a serious risk to the other people sharing their space, and then all of their families and friends after they land. All flights should still require testing and masking at this point, or all we’ve really accomplished is pacifying the dimwits and xenophobes.\nI know at least 3 people who 100% contracted COVID while flying domestically in the US this last month - because they were isolated for the incubation period beforehand. They were masked the entire time they were in the airport and on the plane.",
">\n\nIf they were masked up and I assume vaccinated and still caught the virus then preventable measures like these aren’t that effective.",
">\n\nIs there a new strain of Covid that isn't in the U.S yet, otherwise what's the point.",
">\n\nUm testing should not ever stop.",
">\n\nAh shit here we go again",
">\n\n\"Who left the fridge open?\"",
">\n\nIt's \"just a cold\" unless it's a non-white person from another country carrying it.\n/s",
">\n\nChina implemented an ineffective vaccine and had 30m+ cases in one day. It’s specifically that gov. refusing to use effective vaccines",
">\n\nAnd the United States had effective vaccines that half the country is not willing to nor willing to wear masks, while complaining to other countries like China about their travel restrictions (from China and Hong Kong). And honestly I’m not oppose to a tighter restriction on China while they are experiencing a surge in new cases just as it did with any other countries that initially loosen covid restrictions, what makes me question this being race or politically motivated is the hypocrisy; people complained about China being oppressive when it was enforcing all the covid restrictions and when they loosen it “China doesn’t care about human lives”.\nSo what exactly do you want them to do?",
">\n\n\nto Require Negative Covid Tests for Travelers From China\n\nLuckily China is well known for its systemic unwillingness to fake or counterfeit things, so everything should be fine.\nhonest.",
">\n\nSeems purely retaliatory with no actual effectiveness.\nEnforcement is over a week away and presumably China has hit its peak already (flights being 40% positive)",
">\n\nThe rich rats are going to buy fake tests and jump ship breaking quarantine just like they did in the first wave. Cutting flights or enforcing quarantines is the only way to prevent this stuff from jumping oceans but god forbid anybody inhibit the jet setters.",
">\n\nHALF of the passengers on a plane from China going to Italy tested positive the other day (tested on arrival). Chances are most if not all of them had negative test results they could show that they took before they left. This won't do anything to stop people coming into the US while positive..we are going to have to go through this all over again and we won't have the same somewhat cooperative response in the US this time if it is a variant that evades immunity... It will get REALLY bad.",
">\n\nSeriously they know red states will just let them in and will never do another shut down again. So start dealt with out break countries this way to slow it down or corner it. But I see very very bad days ahead for China and Russia is starting to report out breaks too.",
">\n\nMust. When?",
">\n\nWe already require this from canada iirc\nEdit: i was wrong, canada requires it from us.",
">\n\nI hope we are talking PCR tests... those store-bought 15-minute ones struggle to get a positive if you have any sort of vaccination, even while symptomatic and miserable.",
">\n\nWell, a little bit of good news. I'll take it.",
">\n\nTravel should have been 100$ restricted a long time ago. Travel should be restricted to any country experiencing a COVID outbreak.",
">\n\nWonderful. Another round of Asian hating.",
">\n\nWho's hating on Asians? We're trying to stop this virus from killing people.",
">\n\nor… ban flights from china??",
">\n\nDoesn’t make sense in singling out China when covid is widespread in every single country",
">\n\nThe extent of covid in china atm is just absurd. Two weeks ago, they had 37 MILLION cases in one day. Think about that. Thats more people than a lot of countries! \nsource",
">\n\nI wonder why China has so much trouble with COVID compared to other countries, despite being so strict.",
">\n\nIt’s because they had the zero covid approaches that people are advocating for in this thread and they suddenly reversed course. Everyone in China is getting it so fast its likely the same variants quickly spreading in a population that suddenly reversed course. Having many people getting it over time and exposed to new generations of the virus (which is what happens over time) is more insidious but people here think thats fine",
">\n\nEveryone saying this is racist, do not pay attention to the world",
">\n\nIt was called racist and xenophobic when Trump did it. The left are hypocritical emotional wrecks."
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Let’s not change the subject. We’re talking about testing travelers from China here. Always trying to deflect.
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"People from China will travel through Europe and come in to America from the east coast like they did when the pandemic started. This will do nothing if all travelers aboard aren’t made to test.",
">\n\nLet's hope EU and other countries do the same.",
">\n\nI don't know if they will. Australia (for example) had some of the toughest Covid policies and they've essentially just thrown them all out the window.\nSo I don't know how willing countries are to go back to being overly concerned about Covid.",
">\n\nThey should be concerned w chinese, it's spreading like wildfire in china. If we aren't careful, they will come out w covid 20.",
">\n\nIt’s spreading everywhere including the USA. This policy has nothing to do with science or medicine. It’s just politics.",
">\n\nNo. It’s circulating like mad in a population of 1 billion people who haven’t been exposed before. This is how new variants come about. Every country should require negative Covid test for china at least until it cycles through the population",
">\n\n\nNo. It’s circulating like mad in a population of 1 billion people who haven’t been exposed before.\n\nIt's also spreading like mad in all the countries of the world including the USA.\n\nThis is how new variants come about. \n\nAnd they have been for years now.\n\nEvery country should require negative Covid test for china at least until it cycles through the population\n\nOnly for political reasons. There is no scientific or rational demand for this. \nI get it, you hate china, most americans hate china so just be honest and say what you really mean.",
">\n\nStrains are spreading in the west yes, but there are new strains in China that are spreading and we don't know if our vaccines will work with those strains. We know the Chinese vaccines have a low efficacy rate and we know they are not mRNA vaccines which allow for easier adaptation to new strains. Making travelers with a Chinese passport take Covid tests at any and all airports is not racist or even unfair - a reminder that China has been relatively hard to travel to for the last 2 years because they were locked down to foreign travel as well. This is simply good policy from a public health measure, and you not wanting to see that for what it is and instead attribute it to a nascent American hatred for China is laughable. the World Health Organization estimated close to 800 million new cases in China in the next few months, with another estimate 4 million deaths and countless new strains coming out during that period. This is about protection populations, not punishing China.",
">\n\n\nStrains are spreading in the west yes, but there are new strains in China that are spreading and we don't know if our vaccines will work with those strains.\n\nYou don't know if vaccines work against any new variant even if that variant is from a country populated with white people.\n\nWe know the Chinese vaccines have a low efficacy rate and we know they are not mRNA vaccines which allow for easier adaptation to new strains. \n\nThe vaccine doesn't adapt once inside of your body you know that right?\n\nMaking travelers with a Chinese passport take Covid tests at any and all airports is not racist or even unfair \n\nit's definitely unfair and probably racist as well.\n\nhis is simply good policy from a public health measure, a\n\nA good policy would be to require vaccinations from everybody. Think about it, you are requiring a vaccine that you said doesn't even work. How much sense does that make?\n\nattribute it to a nascent American hatred for China is laughable.\n\nNascent?\n\nThis is about protection populations, not punishing China.\n\nIt's definitely about punishing china, it's a part of the current cold war with China conducted by the USA.",
">\n\n\nYou don't know if vaccines work against any new variant even if that variant is from a country populated with white people.\n\nAll the more reason to not invite more new strains into the country. White population or otherwise has nothing to do with it, expected rise in cases in China does.\n\nThe vaccine doesn't adapt once inside of your body you know that right?\n\nYou missed the point. The point i was making was that the Chinese medical system has not even approached Covid with an mRNA vaccine, and steadfastly refused to license western vaccines. If the vaccine most readily available in China has a 50% efficacy then the population is at more risk of contracting the virus and having negative results. The infection rates are increased with each new case of BA.7 (China is currently seeing each covid patient infecting on average 18 other people represented as 1:18, whereas the in US the rate is 1:3.9). Each of these factors increases the risk of developing new strains that are vaccine resistant. \n\nit's definitely unfair and probably racist as well\n\nIs it your position that nations cannot take any prescriptive action to prevent the spread of infected persons from other countries? Again i would remind you that China has basically been locked down for the last 2 years, with severe limitations to personal freedoms themselves. This is not based on race, but rather a government's inability to contain a contagious outbreak in their own country and not wanting it to spread. \n\nA good policy would be to require vaccinations from everybody. Think about it, you are requiring a vaccine that you said doesn't even work. How much sense does that make?\n\nThat might be your definition on good policy, but it isn't mine and that isn't how the west does it. \"I\" am not requiring a vaccine that \"I\" said doesn't work - that was your suggestion not mine. Also, i said the efficacy of the Chinese vaccine is 50% - based on available information - i never said it didn't work, and i never said that it should be mandatory or required.\n\nNascent?\n\nPoor and wrong word choice on my part it seems. What i meant was ascribing the US decision to require testing of Chinese travelers to racism because you believe that the US is racist is laughable. Taking a test to prove that you are covid negative is far less onerous on a traveler than most visa requirements.\n\nIt's definitely about punishing china, it's a part of the current cold war with China conducted by the USA.\n\nCite your sources. I could point to many Chinese government policies that i could say are part of the current cold war with the US without backing it up and it would be just as credible as what you said. Opinion is not a source, and not proof. You assume that the US government is racist, that this policy is racist and yet we have had travel bans imposed on other countries, as well as testing required for travelers from other countries imposed before, and other policies and so has China. For goodness sake China has been closed to foreigners for almost 3 years, and is still closed to foreign travel until January 2023. Is that a racist policy as well?",
">\n\nHere we go again.\nThis time I think I'll learn French cooking.",
">\n\n5000 People a day will have to die before Anybody says the word Lock down in the States ever again.",
">\n\nDon’t understand why people can’t handle staying at home for two weeks when it could potentially eradicate a deadly virus. Are we that weak?",
">\n\nWe did that in large part in March 2020. And did China not spend years locking down their citizens? \nPeoples savings are gone. They need to work. \nWearing a mask would do a lot to help the issue but people aren’t willing to do that anymore.",
">\n\nWe didn't do that though. We didn't all lock down when we were supposed to. Where I work I had to go in from the very start all the way through. Most people, the majority of people, didn't stay home even if they didn't have work. Most people didn't fuck with masks or keeping a distance, and even people who weren't antivaccers didn't take the vaccine seriously for the longest time. \nWe had no fucking lock down, unless you were a well-off celebrity or comedian who wanted to talk about being locked down for content. \nIf people legit locked down, they would have taken a small hit financially, but too many people didn't do shit and prolonged everything.",
">\n\nThe things is that it doesn't take long to drain peoples saving - becuase the overwhelming majority of people have practically none. \nSo an extended lockdown was never feasible unless the government was willing to pay several trillion dollars of expenses, not just 2 or 3 times but several times over.",
">\n\nI didn't dispute any of what you said. I pointed out that most people actively contested any safety measure and most people didn't actually lock down. Any extension will almost certainly be the fault of most of those people. \nI'd gladly let them all die if it meant the few people who did take things seriously didn't have to live through a Walking Dead scenario or have to take a huge financial hit because them.",
">\n\nMost people did lock down just fine initially. After a few weeks turned into a month or more, yeah people got testy.\nAdditionally, a gigantic amount of people work in critical industries and simply cant stay home. Just keeping the lights and water on requires tens of millions of workers, plus industries like plants and refineries that simply cannot shut down without massive long-term consequences.\nReddit is full of office people who can WFH, the vast majority of people cant.",
">\n\nI was one of those who couldn't stay home. Right out of the gate most people gave up on almost all of it except when they were making a show of complying when they had to. There was a lot of cheating. I walk through a lot of different areas. The waves of patients and bodies we got at work tracked with that and became predictable.",
">\n\nWhat’s that saying that ends with ”…doomed to repeat it?”",
">\n\nWhy not just require a negative test from everyone?",
">\n\nWho would you expect to pay for that?",
">\n\nGovernments or sponsors from the private sector ideally, I honestly don’t give a fuck. I’ve gotten many free tests from both and I’ve also bought some for like $8.",
">\n\n“Here we go again” from everyone in the comments. \nThe virus never stopped, we did.",
">\n\nVirus will always be there. Permanent restrictions are unsustainable",
">\n\n3 years later...\nIs this permanent?",
">\n\nI doubt there's anything that would make Republicans running in 2024 happier then Democrats advocating for a return to COVID restrictions.",
">\n\nRight? It’d be like the democrats fighting for gun control, or gay and trans rights, or safe and legal abortions. It would be political suicide to stand for something that Republicans don’t like!",
">\n\nMy understanding is that everything you listed is broadly popular or has at least a majority of American's in favor of it. A return to COVID restrictions is not in that category.",
">\n\nGun control isn’t even universally loved amongst the American left, as the hard left needs them for protection from the hard right they clash with, and the middle left does like having their guns taken as much as any middle right wing does, only mid left likes it",
">\n\nGallup has 57% of Americans feeling that in general gun laws should be more strict.",
">\n\nRegular people want kids to stop dying while in school. The problem is \"stricter laws\" is vague and no one can agree on what it means or give a serious proposal that would work, short of confiscation and bans, which are wildly unpopular.",
">\n\nVague political talking points is the best we’re going to get. Much as I’d love a Ross Perot style of breaking down every platform and promise, the general public doesn’t go for it. Buzz words are all we have the attention span for.",
">\n\nChina's COVID-19 surge raises odds of new coronavirus variants\nThings could get very ugly.",
">\n\nYou say this like covid hasn't been spreading rampantly through literally every country on the planet, mostly without any measures to stop the spread. Why does China get a different treatment and maybe countries should require tests from the US or Inida or Europe?",
">\n\nI agree. US was primarily the culprit of why COVID went rampant to begin with. We actively refused to enforce any sort of safety measures, just a mild suggestion of \"maybe wear a mask, if you want to, it's ok if you don't\" and \"we have vaccines if you want one, no pressure tho\". That was really our response to the world's deadliest pandemic.",
">\n\nWe actively made fun of zero covid approaches on reddit and now based on the comments on this thread we are suddenly pro “zero covid” approaches",
">\n\nEveryone finally watched contagion",
">\n\nSo far my 2023 bingo card is reading alooot of skull and crossbones, I think I might actually win at something next year, what does your score card look like?",
">\n\nWhen’s that $1200 going to hit my account?",
">\n\nI’m still living off mine from last time!",
">\n\nI’m still looking for mine",
">\n\nI’m waiting for that $600 bucks from Biden still, but that’s going right into my retirement!",
">\n\nYou dont get he meant to include any money you already received as well /s",
">\n\nI seem to remember campaign ads with $2000 checks.",
">\n\nYep they explicitly mentioned $2,000 checks.",
">\n\nMy comment was sarcasm but in retrospect there are so many neoliberals saying that word for word in all seriousness that I should and will add a sarcasm tag",
">\n\nThat's nice and all, but let's not act like we're not just ignoring our own COVID problems.",
">\n\n\n\"You don't have zero tolerance anymore? We can't tolerate that.\"\n\n- Country with 100% tolerance",
">\n\nWhy not require a negative COVID test from everyone entering the country? It’s like they don’t want COVID to be under control.",
">\n\nI think this is because China has a relatively low vaccination rate because they relied on lock downs. Now that lock downs are being ramped down, they are having a huge surge.",
">\n\nThe vaccination rate in China is considerably higher than the US (92% vs 81%). This is just another example of yellow peril",
">\n\nThank you for pointing this out. What I said above was wrong about the vaccination rate. I don’t know why exactly China is having a surge. 🤷♂️",
">\n\nTheir vaccination rate is high but their vaccine, SinoVac is based on old tech. It conveys effectively zero protection from variants when compared to all the other types of vaccines on the market.",
">\n\nYou guys are so full of shit. At 3 doses Sinovac gives the same protection as any western vaccine with boosters to help mitigate mutated variants. Stop spreading misinfo.",
">\n\n\"Does that thumbnail of someone getting tested read too much like 'screaming uselessly into the void'?\"\n\"I'm sure it'll be fine.\"",
">\n\nMaybe, just maybe they shouldnt have stopped testing airplane passengers in the first place... \nWe have cheap, readily available tests that take 10 minutes to complete. There’s really no reason not to test ever passenger before boarding...",
">\n\nEveryone I know who had Omicron tested negative until their symptoms cleared. It was evading the RATs, for some reason.",
">\n\nI tested positive on a rapid test two days after getting congested. Every teacher coworker of mine who bothered to test after getting cold symptoms also did. I think it's why so few parents now test their kids before sending time to school sick. They don't want to know so we all find out when we or our family members then test positive, missing work on their sick kids' behalf so they didn't have to. \nI have also heard the rapid test can give false negatives but anecdotal references don't mean much.",
">\n\nA day late and a dollar short. Same old song and dance.",
">\n\nWow, it’s like history literally repeating itself.",
">\n\nIndeed it is. I hope everyone is prepared for what’s next.",
">\n\nWe should require negative COVID tests for people to fly within the US, too.\nIt makes no difference to me if the person who infects me at LAX is coming in from China, or from Texas.",
">\n\nThere is a high chance anyone that comes from China has Covid right now. Low chance that someone inside America has.",
">\n\nNaw. China’s percent is much higher, sure, but it’s not like US infection rates are low. You can pretty much guarantee an infected American on every sold out domestic flight. The latest variants are super, super contagious, and it only takes one infected person to pose a serious risk to the other people sharing their space, and then all of their families and friends after they land. All flights should still require testing and masking at this point, or all we’ve really accomplished is pacifying the dimwits and xenophobes.\nI know at least 3 people who 100% contracted COVID while flying domestically in the US this last month - because they were isolated for the incubation period beforehand. They were masked the entire time they were in the airport and on the plane.",
">\n\nIf they were masked up and I assume vaccinated and still caught the virus then preventable measures like these aren’t that effective.",
">\n\nIs there a new strain of Covid that isn't in the U.S yet, otherwise what's the point.",
">\n\nUm testing should not ever stop.",
">\n\nAh shit here we go again",
">\n\n\"Who left the fridge open?\"",
">\n\nIt's \"just a cold\" unless it's a non-white person from another country carrying it.\n/s",
">\n\nChina implemented an ineffective vaccine and had 30m+ cases in one day. It’s specifically that gov. refusing to use effective vaccines",
">\n\nAnd the United States had effective vaccines that half the country is not willing to nor willing to wear masks, while complaining to other countries like China about their travel restrictions (from China and Hong Kong). And honestly I’m not oppose to a tighter restriction on China while they are experiencing a surge in new cases just as it did with any other countries that initially loosen covid restrictions, what makes me question this being race or politically motivated is the hypocrisy; people complained about China being oppressive when it was enforcing all the covid restrictions and when they loosen it “China doesn’t care about human lives”.\nSo what exactly do you want them to do?",
">\n\n\nto Require Negative Covid Tests for Travelers From China\n\nLuckily China is well known for its systemic unwillingness to fake or counterfeit things, so everything should be fine.\nhonest.",
">\n\nSeems purely retaliatory with no actual effectiveness.\nEnforcement is over a week away and presumably China has hit its peak already (flights being 40% positive)",
">\n\nThe rich rats are going to buy fake tests and jump ship breaking quarantine just like they did in the first wave. Cutting flights or enforcing quarantines is the only way to prevent this stuff from jumping oceans but god forbid anybody inhibit the jet setters.",
">\n\nHALF of the passengers on a plane from China going to Italy tested positive the other day (tested on arrival). Chances are most if not all of them had negative test results they could show that they took before they left. This won't do anything to stop people coming into the US while positive..we are going to have to go through this all over again and we won't have the same somewhat cooperative response in the US this time if it is a variant that evades immunity... It will get REALLY bad.",
">\n\nSeriously they know red states will just let them in and will never do another shut down again. So start dealt with out break countries this way to slow it down or corner it. But I see very very bad days ahead for China and Russia is starting to report out breaks too.",
">\n\nMust. When?",
">\n\nWe already require this from canada iirc\nEdit: i was wrong, canada requires it from us.",
">\n\nI hope we are talking PCR tests... those store-bought 15-minute ones struggle to get a positive if you have any sort of vaccination, even while symptomatic and miserable.",
">\n\nWell, a little bit of good news. I'll take it.",
">\n\nTravel should have been 100$ restricted a long time ago. Travel should be restricted to any country experiencing a COVID outbreak.",
">\n\nWonderful. Another round of Asian hating.",
">\n\nWho's hating on Asians? We're trying to stop this virus from killing people.",
">\n\nor… ban flights from china??",
">\n\nDoesn’t make sense in singling out China when covid is widespread in every single country",
">\n\nThe extent of covid in china atm is just absurd. Two weeks ago, they had 37 MILLION cases in one day. Think about that. Thats more people than a lot of countries! \nsource",
">\n\nI wonder why China has so much trouble with COVID compared to other countries, despite being so strict.",
">\n\nIt’s because they had the zero covid approaches that people are advocating for in this thread and they suddenly reversed course. Everyone in China is getting it so fast its likely the same variants quickly spreading in a population that suddenly reversed course. Having many people getting it over time and exposed to new generations of the virus (which is what happens over time) is more insidious but people here think thats fine",
">\n\nEveryone saying this is racist, do not pay attention to the world",
">\n\nIt was called racist and xenophobic when Trump did it. The left are hypocritical emotional wrecks.",
">\n\nnah trump was racist or did you forget he called it the “china virus” and subsequent hate crimes increased against adians"
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Is that what he did, though? That and nothing else? This is a Fox News headline, but I bet there's a lot more to it. There usually is.
FYI, Italy is also requiring testing of travelers from China at this time.
Because of the high number of cases in China at this time.
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"People from China will travel through Europe and come in to America from the east coast like they did when the pandemic started. This will do nothing if all travelers aboard aren’t made to test.",
">\n\nLet's hope EU and other countries do the same.",
">\n\nI don't know if they will. Australia (for example) had some of the toughest Covid policies and they've essentially just thrown them all out the window.\nSo I don't know how willing countries are to go back to being overly concerned about Covid.",
">\n\nThey should be concerned w chinese, it's spreading like wildfire in china. If we aren't careful, they will come out w covid 20.",
">\n\nIt’s spreading everywhere including the USA. This policy has nothing to do with science or medicine. It’s just politics.",
">\n\nNo. It’s circulating like mad in a population of 1 billion people who haven’t been exposed before. This is how new variants come about. Every country should require negative Covid test for china at least until it cycles through the population",
">\n\n\nNo. It’s circulating like mad in a population of 1 billion people who haven’t been exposed before.\n\nIt's also spreading like mad in all the countries of the world including the USA.\n\nThis is how new variants come about. \n\nAnd they have been for years now.\n\nEvery country should require negative Covid test for china at least until it cycles through the population\n\nOnly for political reasons. There is no scientific or rational demand for this. \nI get it, you hate china, most americans hate china so just be honest and say what you really mean.",
">\n\nStrains are spreading in the west yes, but there are new strains in China that are spreading and we don't know if our vaccines will work with those strains. We know the Chinese vaccines have a low efficacy rate and we know they are not mRNA vaccines which allow for easier adaptation to new strains. Making travelers with a Chinese passport take Covid tests at any and all airports is not racist or even unfair - a reminder that China has been relatively hard to travel to for the last 2 years because they were locked down to foreign travel as well. This is simply good policy from a public health measure, and you not wanting to see that for what it is and instead attribute it to a nascent American hatred for China is laughable. the World Health Organization estimated close to 800 million new cases in China in the next few months, with another estimate 4 million deaths and countless new strains coming out during that period. This is about protection populations, not punishing China.",
">\n\n\nStrains are spreading in the west yes, but there are new strains in China that are spreading and we don't know if our vaccines will work with those strains.\n\nYou don't know if vaccines work against any new variant even if that variant is from a country populated with white people.\n\nWe know the Chinese vaccines have a low efficacy rate and we know they are not mRNA vaccines which allow for easier adaptation to new strains. \n\nThe vaccine doesn't adapt once inside of your body you know that right?\n\nMaking travelers with a Chinese passport take Covid tests at any and all airports is not racist or even unfair \n\nit's definitely unfair and probably racist as well.\n\nhis is simply good policy from a public health measure, a\n\nA good policy would be to require vaccinations from everybody. Think about it, you are requiring a vaccine that you said doesn't even work. How much sense does that make?\n\nattribute it to a nascent American hatred for China is laughable.\n\nNascent?\n\nThis is about protection populations, not punishing China.\n\nIt's definitely about punishing china, it's a part of the current cold war with China conducted by the USA.",
">\n\n\nYou don't know if vaccines work against any new variant even if that variant is from a country populated with white people.\n\nAll the more reason to not invite more new strains into the country. White population or otherwise has nothing to do with it, expected rise in cases in China does.\n\nThe vaccine doesn't adapt once inside of your body you know that right?\n\nYou missed the point. The point i was making was that the Chinese medical system has not even approached Covid with an mRNA vaccine, and steadfastly refused to license western vaccines. If the vaccine most readily available in China has a 50% efficacy then the population is at more risk of contracting the virus and having negative results. The infection rates are increased with each new case of BA.7 (China is currently seeing each covid patient infecting on average 18 other people represented as 1:18, whereas the in US the rate is 1:3.9). Each of these factors increases the risk of developing new strains that are vaccine resistant. \n\nit's definitely unfair and probably racist as well\n\nIs it your position that nations cannot take any prescriptive action to prevent the spread of infected persons from other countries? Again i would remind you that China has basically been locked down for the last 2 years, with severe limitations to personal freedoms themselves. This is not based on race, but rather a government's inability to contain a contagious outbreak in their own country and not wanting it to spread. \n\nA good policy would be to require vaccinations from everybody. Think about it, you are requiring a vaccine that you said doesn't even work. How much sense does that make?\n\nThat might be your definition on good policy, but it isn't mine and that isn't how the west does it. \"I\" am not requiring a vaccine that \"I\" said doesn't work - that was your suggestion not mine. Also, i said the efficacy of the Chinese vaccine is 50% - based on available information - i never said it didn't work, and i never said that it should be mandatory or required.\n\nNascent?\n\nPoor and wrong word choice on my part it seems. What i meant was ascribing the US decision to require testing of Chinese travelers to racism because you believe that the US is racist is laughable. Taking a test to prove that you are covid negative is far less onerous on a traveler than most visa requirements.\n\nIt's definitely about punishing china, it's a part of the current cold war with China conducted by the USA.\n\nCite your sources. I could point to many Chinese government policies that i could say are part of the current cold war with the US without backing it up and it would be just as credible as what you said. Opinion is not a source, and not proof. You assume that the US government is racist, that this policy is racist and yet we have had travel bans imposed on other countries, as well as testing required for travelers from other countries imposed before, and other policies and so has China. For goodness sake China has been closed to foreigners for almost 3 years, and is still closed to foreign travel until January 2023. Is that a racist policy as well?",
">\n\nHere we go again.\nThis time I think I'll learn French cooking.",
">\n\n5000 People a day will have to die before Anybody says the word Lock down in the States ever again.",
">\n\nDon’t understand why people can’t handle staying at home for two weeks when it could potentially eradicate a deadly virus. Are we that weak?",
">\n\nWe did that in large part in March 2020. And did China not spend years locking down their citizens? \nPeoples savings are gone. They need to work. \nWearing a mask would do a lot to help the issue but people aren’t willing to do that anymore.",
">\n\nWe didn't do that though. We didn't all lock down when we were supposed to. Where I work I had to go in from the very start all the way through. Most people, the majority of people, didn't stay home even if they didn't have work. Most people didn't fuck with masks or keeping a distance, and even people who weren't antivaccers didn't take the vaccine seriously for the longest time. \nWe had no fucking lock down, unless you were a well-off celebrity or comedian who wanted to talk about being locked down for content. \nIf people legit locked down, they would have taken a small hit financially, but too many people didn't do shit and prolonged everything.",
">\n\nThe things is that it doesn't take long to drain peoples saving - becuase the overwhelming majority of people have practically none. \nSo an extended lockdown was never feasible unless the government was willing to pay several trillion dollars of expenses, not just 2 or 3 times but several times over.",
">\n\nI didn't dispute any of what you said. I pointed out that most people actively contested any safety measure and most people didn't actually lock down. Any extension will almost certainly be the fault of most of those people. \nI'd gladly let them all die if it meant the few people who did take things seriously didn't have to live through a Walking Dead scenario or have to take a huge financial hit because them.",
">\n\nMost people did lock down just fine initially. After a few weeks turned into a month or more, yeah people got testy.\nAdditionally, a gigantic amount of people work in critical industries and simply cant stay home. Just keeping the lights and water on requires tens of millions of workers, plus industries like plants and refineries that simply cannot shut down without massive long-term consequences.\nReddit is full of office people who can WFH, the vast majority of people cant.",
">\n\nI was one of those who couldn't stay home. Right out of the gate most people gave up on almost all of it except when they were making a show of complying when they had to. There was a lot of cheating. I walk through a lot of different areas. The waves of patients and bodies we got at work tracked with that and became predictable.",
">\n\nWhat’s that saying that ends with ”…doomed to repeat it?”",
">\n\nWhy not just require a negative test from everyone?",
">\n\nWho would you expect to pay for that?",
">\n\nGovernments or sponsors from the private sector ideally, I honestly don’t give a fuck. I’ve gotten many free tests from both and I’ve also bought some for like $8.",
">\n\n“Here we go again” from everyone in the comments. \nThe virus never stopped, we did.",
">\n\nVirus will always be there. Permanent restrictions are unsustainable",
">\n\n3 years later...\nIs this permanent?",
">\n\nI doubt there's anything that would make Republicans running in 2024 happier then Democrats advocating for a return to COVID restrictions.",
">\n\nRight? It’d be like the democrats fighting for gun control, or gay and trans rights, or safe and legal abortions. It would be political suicide to stand for something that Republicans don’t like!",
">\n\nMy understanding is that everything you listed is broadly popular or has at least a majority of American's in favor of it. A return to COVID restrictions is not in that category.",
">\n\nGun control isn’t even universally loved amongst the American left, as the hard left needs them for protection from the hard right they clash with, and the middle left does like having their guns taken as much as any middle right wing does, only mid left likes it",
">\n\nGallup has 57% of Americans feeling that in general gun laws should be more strict.",
">\n\nRegular people want kids to stop dying while in school. The problem is \"stricter laws\" is vague and no one can agree on what it means or give a serious proposal that would work, short of confiscation and bans, which are wildly unpopular.",
">\n\nVague political talking points is the best we’re going to get. Much as I’d love a Ross Perot style of breaking down every platform and promise, the general public doesn’t go for it. Buzz words are all we have the attention span for.",
">\n\nChina's COVID-19 surge raises odds of new coronavirus variants\nThings could get very ugly.",
">\n\nYou say this like covid hasn't been spreading rampantly through literally every country on the planet, mostly without any measures to stop the spread. Why does China get a different treatment and maybe countries should require tests from the US or Inida or Europe?",
">\n\nI agree. US was primarily the culprit of why COVID went rampant to begin with. We actively refused to enforce any sort of safety measures, just a mild suggestion of \"maybe wear a mask, if you want to, it's ok if you don't\" and \"we have vaccines if you want one, no pressure tho\". That was really our response to the world's deadliest pandemic.",
">\n\nWe actively made fun of zero covid approaches on reddit and now based on the comments on this thread we are suddenly pro “zero covid” approaches",
">\n\nEveryone finally watched contagion",
">\n\nSo far my 2023 bingo card is reading alooot of skull and crossbones, I think I might actually win at something next year, what does your score card look like?",
">\n\nWhen’s that $1200 going to hit my account?",
">\n\nI’m still living off mine from last time!",
">\n\nI’m still looking for mine",
">\n\nI’m waiting for that $600 bucks from Biden still, but that’s going right into my retirement!",
">\n\nYou dont get he meant to include any money you already received as well /s",
">\n\nI seem to remember campaign ads with $2000 checks.",
">\n\nYep they explicitly mentioned $2,000 checks.",
">\n\nMy comment was sarcasm but in retrospect there are so many neoliberals saying that word for word in all seriousness that I should and will add a sarcasm tag",
">\n\nThat's nice and all, but let's not act like we're not just ignoring our own COVID problems.",
">\n\n\n\"You don't have zero tolerance anymore? We can't tolerate that.\"\n\n- Country with 100% tolerance",
">\n\nWhy not require a negative COVID test from everyone entering the country? It’s like they don’t want COVID to be under control.",
">\n\nI think this is because China has a relatively low vaccination rate because they relied on lock downs. Now that lock downs are being ramped down, they are having a huge surge.",
">\n\nThe vaccination rate in China is considerably higher than the US (92% vs 81%). This is just another example of yellow peril",
">\n\nThank you for pointing this out. What I said above was wrong about the vaccination rate. I don’t know why exactly China is having a surge. 🤷♂️",
">\n\nTheir vaccination rate is high but their vaccine, SinoVac is based on old tech. It conveys effectively zero protection from variants when compared to all the other types of vaccines on the market.",
">\n\nYou guys are so full of shit. At 3 doses Sinovac gives the same protection as any western vaccine with boosters to help mitigate mutated variants. Stop spreading misinfo.",
">\n\n\"Does that thumbnail of someone getting tested read too much like 'screaming uselessly into the void'?\"\n\"I'm sure it'll be fine.\"",
">\n\nMaybe, just maybe they shouldnt have stopped testing airplane passengers in the first place... \nWe have cheap, readily available tests that take 10 minutes to complete. There’s really no reason not to test ever passenger before boarding...",
">\n\nEveryone I know who had Omicron tested negative until their symptoms cleared. It was evading the RATs, for some reason.",
">\n\nI tested positive on a rapid test two days after getting congested. Every teacher coworker of mine who bothered to test after getting cold symptoms also did. I think it's why so few parents now test their kids before sending time to school sick. They don't want to know so we all find out when we or our family members then test positive, missing work on their sick kids' behalf so they didn't have to. \nI have also heard the rapid test can give false negatives but anecdotal references don't mean much.",
">\n\nA day late and a dollar short. Same old song and dance.",
">\n\nWow, it’s like history literally repeating itself.",
">\n\nIndeed it is. I hope everyone is prepared for what’s next.",
">\n\nWe should require negative COVID tests for people to fly within the US, too.\nIt makes no difference to me if the person who infects me at LAX is coming in from China, or from Texas.",
">\n\nThere is a high chance anyone that comes from China has Covid right now. Low chance that someone inside America has.",
">\n\nNaw. China’s percent is much higher, sure, but it’s not like US infection rates are low. You can pretty much guarantee an infected American on every sold out domestic flight. The latest variants are super, super contagious, and it only takes one infected person to pose a serious risk to the other people sharing their space, and then all of their families and friends after they land. All flights should still require testing and masking at this point, or all we’ve really accomplished is pacifying the dimwits and xenophobes.\nI know at least 3 people who 100% contracted COVID while flying domestically in the US this last month - because they were isolated for the incubation period beforehand. They were masked the entire time they were in the airport and on the plane.",
">\n\nIf they were masked up and I assume vaccinated and still caught the virus then preventable measures like these aren’t that effective.",
">\n\nIs there a new strain of Covid that isn't in the U.S yet, otherwise what's the point.",
">\n\nUm testing should not ever stop.",
">\n\nAh shit here we go again",
">\n\n\"Who left the fridge open?\"",
">\n\nIt's \"just a cold\" unless it's a non-white person from another country carrying it.\n/s",
">\n\nChina implemented an ineffective vaccine and had 30m+ cases in one day. It’s specifically that gov. refusing to use effective vaccines",
">\n\nAnd the United States had effective vaccines that half the country is not willing to nor willing to wear masks, while complaining to other countries like China about their travel restrictions (from China and Hong Kong). And honestly I’m not oppose to a tighter restriction on China while they are experiencing a surge in new cases just as it did with any other countries that initially loosen covid restrictions, what makes me question this being race or politically motivated is the hypocrisy; people complained about China being oppressive when it was enforcing all the covid restrictions and when they loosen it “China doesn’t care about human lives”.\nSo what exactly do you want them to do?",
">\n\n\nto Require Negative Covid Tests for Travelers From China\n\nLuckily China is well known for its systemic unwillingness to fake or counterfeit things, so everything should be fine.\nhonest.",
">\n\nSeems purely retaliatory with no actual effectiveness.\nEnforcement is over a week away and presumably China has hit its peak already (flights being 40% positive)",
">\n\nThe rich rats are going to buy fake tests and jump ship breaking quarantine just like they did in the first wave. Cutting flights or enforcing quarantines is the only way to prevent this stuff from jumping oceans but god forbid anybody inhibit the jet setters.",
">\n\nHALF of the passengers on a plane from China going to Italy tested positive the other day (tested on arrival). Chances are most if not all of them had negative test results they could show that they took before they left. This won't do anything to stop people coming into the US while positive..we are going to have to go through this all over again and we won't have the same somewhat cooperative response in the US this time if it is a variant that evades immunity... It will get REALLY bad.",
">\n\nSeriously they know red states will just let them in and will never do another shut down again. So start dealt with out break countries this way to slow it down or corner it. But I see very very bad days ahead for China and Russia is starting to report out breaks too.",
">\n\nMust. When?",
">\n\nWe already require this from canada iirc\nEdit: i was wrong, canada requires it from us.",
">\n\nI hope we are talking PCR tests... those store-bought 15-minute ones struggle to get a positive if you have any sort of vaccination, even while symptomatic and miserable.",
">\n\nWell, a little bit of good news. I'll take it.",
">\n\nTravel should have been 100$ restricted a long time ago. Travel should be restricted to any country experiencing a COVID outbreak.",
">\n\nWonderful. Another round of Asian hating.",
">\n\nWho's hating on Asians? We're trying to stop this virus from killing people.",
">\n\nor… ban flights from china??",
">\n\nDoesn’t make sense in singling out China when covid is widespread in every single country",
">\n\nThe extent of covid in china atm is just absurd. Two weeks ago, they had 37 MILLION cases in one day. Think about that. Thats more people than a lot of countries! \nsource",
">\n\nI wonder why China has so much trouble with COVID compared to other countries, despite being so strict.",
">\n\nIt’s because they had the zero covid approaches that people are advocating for in this thread and they suddenly reversed course. Everyone in China is getting it so fast its likely the same variants quickly spreading in a population that suddenly reversed course. Having many people getting it over time and exposed to new generations of the virus (which is what happens over time) is more insidious but people here think thats fine",
">\n\nEveryone saying this is racist, do not pay attention to the world",
">\n\nIt was called racist and xenophobic when Trump did it. The left are hypocritical emotional wrecks.",
">\n\nnah trump was racist or did you forget he called it the “china virus” and subsequent hate crimes increased against adians",
">\n\nLet’s not change the subject. We’re talking about testing travelers from China here. Always trying to deflect."
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"People from China will travel through Europe and come in to America from the east coast like they did when the pandemic started. This will do nothing if all travelers aboard aren’t made to test.",
">\n\nLet's hope EU and other countries do the same.",
">\n\nI don't know if they will. Australia (for example) had some of the toughest Covid policies and they've essentially just thrown them all out the window.\nSo I don't know how willing countries are to go back to being overly concerned about Covid.",
">\n\nThey should be concerned w chinese, it's spreading like wildfire in china. If we aren't careful, they will come out w covid 20.",
">\n\nIt’s spreading everywhere including the USA. This policy has nothing to do with science or medicine. It’s just politics.",
">\n\nNo. It’s circulating like mad in a population of 1 billion people who haven’t been exposed before. This is how new variants come about. Every country should require negative Covid test for china at least until it cycles through the population",
">\n\n\nNo. It’s circulating like mad in a population of 1 billion people who haven’t been exposed before.\n\nIt's also spreading like mad in all the countries of the world including the USA.\n\nThis is how new variants come about. \n\nAnd they have been for years now.\n\nEvery country should require negative Covid test for china at least until it cycles through the population\n\nOnly for political reasons. There is no scientific or rational demand for this. \nI get it, you hate china, most americans hate china so just be honest and say what you really mean.",
">\n\nStrains are spreading in the west yes, but there are new strains in China that are spreading and we don't know if our vaccines will work with those strains. We know the Chinese vaccines have a low efficacy rate and we know they are not mRNA vaccines which allow for easier adaptation to new strains. Making travelers with a Chinese passport take Covid tests at any and all airports is not racist or even unfair - a reminder that China has been relatively hard to travel to for the last 2 years because they were locked down to foreign travel as well. This is simply good policy from a public health measure, and you not wanting to see that for what it is and instead attribute it to a nascent American hatred for China is laughable. the World Health Organization estimated close to 800 million new cases in China in the next few months, with another estimate 4 million deaths and countless new strains coming out during that period. This is about protection populations, not punishing China.",
">\n\n\nStrains are spreading in the west yes, but there are new strains in China that are spreading and we don't know if our vaccines will work with those strains.\n\nYou don't know if vaccines work against any new variant even if that variant is from a country populated with white people.\n\nWe know the Chinese vaccines have a low efficacy rate and we know they are not mRNA vaccines which allow for easier adaptation to new strains. \n\nThe vaccine doesn't adapt once inside of your body you know that right?\n\nMaking travelers with a Chinese passport take Covid tests at any and all airports is not racist or even unfair \n\nit's definitely unfair and probably racist as well.\n\nhis is simply good policy from a public health measure, a\n\nA good policy would be to require vaccinations from everybody. Think about it, you are requiring a vaccine that you said doesn't even work. How much sense does that make?\n\nattribute it to a nascent American hatred for China is laughable.\n\nNascent?\n\nThis is about protection populations, not punishing China.\n\nIt's definitely about punishing china, it's a part of the current cold war with China conducted by the USA.",
">\n\n\nYou don't know if vaccines work against any new variant even if that variant is from a country populated with white people.\n\nAll the more reason to not invite more new strains into the country. White population or otherwise has nothing to do with it, expected rise in cases in China does.\n\nThe vaccine doesn't adapt once inside of your body you know that right?\n\nYou missed the point. The point i was making was that the Chinese medical system has not even approached Covid with an mRNA vaccine, and steadfastly refused to license western vaccines. If the vaccine most readily available in China has a 50% efficacy then the population is at more risk of contracting the virus and having negative results. The infection rates are increased with each new case of BA.7 (China is currently seeing each covid patient infecting on average 18 other people represented as 1:18, whereas the in US the rate is 1:3.9). Each of these factors increases the risk of developing new strains that are vaccine resistant. \n\nit's definitely unfair and probably racist as well\n\nIs it your position that nations cannot take any prescriptive action to prevent the spread of infected persons from other countries? Again i would remind you that China has basically been locked down for the last 2 years, with severe limitations to personal freedoms themselves. This is not based on race, but rather a government's inability to contain a contagious outbreak in their own country and not wanting it to spread. \n\nA good policy would be to require vaccinations from everybody. Think about it, you are requiring a vaccine that you said doesn't even work. How much sense does that make?\n\nThat might be your definition on good policy, but it isn't mine and that isn't how the west does it. \"I\" am not requiring a vaccine that \"I\" said doesn't work - that was your suggestion not mine. Also, i said the efficacy of the Chinese vaccine is 50% - based on available information - i never said it didn't work, and i never said that it should be mandatory or required.\n\nNascent?\n\nPoor and wrong word choice on my part it seems. What i meant was ascribing the US decision to require testing of Chinese travelers to racism because you believe that the US is racist is laughable. Taking a test to prove that you are covid negative is far less onerous on a traveler than most visa requirements.\n\nIt's definitely about punishing china, it's a part of the current cold war with China conducted by the USA.\n\nCite your sources. I could point to many Chinese government policies that i could say are part of the current cold war with the US without backing it up and it would be just as credible as what you said. Opinion is not a source, and not proof. You assume that the US government is racist, that this policy is racist and yet we have had travel bans imposed on other countries, as well as testing required for travelers from other countries imposed before, and other policies and so has China. For goodness sake China has been closed to foreigners for almost 3 years, and is still closed to foreign travel until January 2023. Is that a racist policy as well?",
">\n\nHere we go again.\nThis time I think I'll learn French cooking.",
">\n\n5000 People a day will have to die before Anybody says the word Lock down in the States ever again.",
">\n\nDon’t understand why people can’t handle staying at home for two weeks when it could potentially eradicate a deadly virus. Are we that weak?",
">\n\nWe did that in large part in March 2020. And did China not spend years locking down their citizens? \nPeoples savings are gone. They need to work. \nWearing a mask would do a lot to help the issue but people aren’t willing to do that anymore.",
">\n\nWe didn't do that though. We didn't all lock down when we were supposed to. Where I work I had to go in from the very start all the way through. Most people, the majority of people, didn't stay home even if they didn't have work. Most people didn't fuck with masks or keeping a distance, and even people who weren't antivaccers didn't take the vaccine seriously for the longest time. \nWe had no fucking lock down, unless you were a well-off celebrity or comedian who wanted to talk about being locked down for content. \nIf people legit locked down, they would have taken a small hit financially, but too many people didn't do shit and prolonged everything.",
">\n\nThe things is that it doesn't take long to drain peoples saving - becuase the overwhelming majority of people have practically none. \nSo an extended lockdown was never feasible unless the government was willing to pay several trillion dollars of expenses, not just 2 or 3 times but several times over.",
">\n\nI didn't dispute any of what you said. I pointed out that most people actively contested any safety measure and most people didn't actually lock down. Any extension will almost certainly be the fault of most of those people. \nI'd gladly let them all die if it meant the few people who did take things seriously didn't have to live through a Walking Dead scenario or have to take a huge financial hit because them.",
">\n\nMost people did lock down just fine initially. After a few weeks turned into a month or more, yeah people got testy.\nAdditionally, a gigantic amount of people work in critical industries and simply cant stay home. Just keeping the lights and water on requires tens of millions of workers, plus industries like plants and refineries that simply cannot shut down without massive long-term consequences.\nReddit is full of office people who can WFH, the vast majority of people cant.",
">\n\nI was one of those who couldn't stay home. Right out of the gate most people gave up on almost all of it except when they were making a show of complying when they had to. There was a lot of cheating. I walk through a lot of different areas. The waves of patients and bodies we got at work tracked with that and became predictable.",
">\n\nWhat’s that saying that ends with ”…doomed to repeat it?”",
">\n\nWhy not just require a negative test from everyone?",
">\n\nWho would you expect to pay for that?",
">\n\nGovernments or sponsors from the private sector ideally, I honestly don’t give a fuck. I’ve gotten many free tests from both and I’ve also bought some for like $8.",
">\n\n“Here we go again” from everyone in the comments. \nThe virus never stopped, we did.",
">\n\nVirus will always be there. Permanent restrictions are unsustainable",
">\n\n3 years later...\nIs this permanent?",
">\n\nI doubt there's anything that would make Republicans running in 2024 happier then Democrats advocating for a return to COVID restrictions.",
">\n\nRight? It’d be like the democrats fighting for gun control, or gay and trans rights, or safe and legal abortions. It would be political suicide to stand for something that Republicans don’t like!",
">\n\nMy understanding is that everything you listed is broadly popular or has at least a majority of American's in favor of it. A return to COVID restrictions is not in that category.",
">\n\nGun control isn’t even universally loved amongst the American left, as the hard left needs them for protection from the hard right they clash with, and the middle left does like having their guns taken as much as any middle right wing does, only mid left likes it",
">\n\nGallup has 57% of Americans feeling that in general gun laws should be more strict.",
">\n\nRegular people want kids to stop dying while in school. The problem is \"stricter laws\" is vague and no one can agree on what it means or give a serious proposal that would work, short of confiscation and bans, which are wildly unpopular.",
">\n\nVague political talking points is the best we’re going to get. Much as I’d love a Ross Perot style of breaking down every platform and promise, the general public doesn’t go for it. Buzz words are all we have the attention span for.",
">\n\nChina's COVID-19 surge raises odds of new coronavirus variants\nThings could get very ugly.",
">\n\nYou say this like covid hasn't been spreading rampantly through literally every country on the planet, mostly without any measures to stop the spread. Why does China get a different treatment and maybe countries should require tests from the US or Inida or Europe?",
">\n\nI agree. US was primarily the culprit of why COVID went rampant to begin with. We actively refused to enforce any sort of safety measures, just a mild suggestion of \"maybe wear a mask, if you want to, it's ok if you don't\" and \"we have vaccines if you want one, no pressure tho\". That was really our response to the world's deadliest pandemic.",
">\n\nWe actively made fun of zero covid approaches on reddit and now based on the comments on this thread we are suddenly pro “zero covid” approaches",
">\n\nEveryone finally watched contagion",
">\n\nSo far my 2023 bingo card is reading alooot of skull and crossbones, I think I might actually win at something next year, what does your score card look like?",
">\n\nWhen’s that $1200 going to hit my account?",
">\n\nI’m still living off mine from last time!",
">\n\nI’m still looking for mine",
">\n\nI’m waiting for that $600 bucks from Biden still, but that’s going right into my retirement!",
">\n\nYou dont get he meant to include any money you already received as well /s",
">\n\nI seem to remember campaign ads with $2000 checks.",
">\n\nYep they explicitly mentioned $2,000 checks.",
">\n\nMy comment was sarcasm but in retrospect there are so many neoliberals saying that word for word in all seriousness that I should and will add a sarcasm tag",
">\n\nThat's nice and all, but let's not act like we're not just ignoring our own COVID problems.",
">\n\n\n\"You don't have zero tolerance anymore? We can't tolerate that.\"\n\n- Country with 100% tolerance",
">\n\nWhy not require a negative COVID test from everyone entering the country? It’s like they don’t want COVID to be under control.",
">\n\nI think this is because China has a relatively low vaccination rate because they relied on lock downs. Now that lock downs are being ramped down, they are having a huge surge.",
">\n\nThe vaccination rate in China is considerably higher than the US (92% vs 81%). This is just another example of yellow peril",
">\n\nThank you for pointing this out. What I said above was wrong about the vaccination rate. I don’t know why exactly China is having a surge. 🤷♂️",
">\n\nTheir vaccination rate is high but their vaccine, SinoVac is based on old tech. It conveys effectively zero protection from variants when compared to all the other types of vaccines on the market.",
">\n\nYou guys are so full of shit. At 3 doses Sinovac gives the same protection as any western vaccine with boosters to help mitigate mutated variants. Stop spreading misinfo.",
">\n\n\"Does that thumbnail of someone getting tested read too much like 'screaming uselessly into the void'?\"\n\"I'm sure it'll be fine.\"",
">\n\nMaybe, just maybe they shouldnt have stopped testing airplane passengers in the first place... \nWe have cheap, readily available tests that take 10 minutes to complete. There’s really no reason not to test ever passenger before boarding...",
">\n\nEveryone I know who had Omicron tested negative until their symptoms cleared. It was evading the RATs, for some reason.",
">\n\nI tested positive on a rapid test two days after getting congested. Every teacher coworker of mine who bothered to test after getting cold symptoms also did. I think it's why so few parents now test their kids before sending time to school sick. They don't want to know so we all find out when we or our family members then test positive, missing work on their sick kids' behalf so they didn't have to. \nI have also heard the rapid test can give false negatives but anecdotal references don't mean much.",
">\n\nA day late and a dollar short. Same old song and dance.",
">\n\nWow, it’s like history literally repeating itself.",
">\n\nIndeed it is. I hope everyone is prepared for what’s next.",
">\n\nWe should require negative COVID tests for people to fly within the US, too.\nIt makes no difference to me if the person who infects me at LAX is coming in from China, or from Texas.",
">\n\nThere is a high chance anyone that comes from China has Covid right now. Low chance that someone inside America has.",
">\n\nNaw. China’s percent is much higher, sure, but it’s not like US infection rates are low. You can pretty much guarantee an infected American on every sold out domestic flight. The latest variants are super, super contagious, and it only takes one infected person to pose a serious risk to the other people sharing their space, and then all of their families and friends after they land. All flights should still require testing and masking at this point, or all we’ve really accomplished is pacifying the dimwits and xenophobes.\nI know at least 3 people who 100% contracted COVID while flying domestically in the US this last month - because they were isolated for the incubation period beforehand. They were masked the entire time they were in the airport and on the plane.",
">\n\nIf they were masked up and I assume vaccinated and still caught the virus then preventable measures like these aren’t that effective.",
">\n\nIs there a new strain of Covid that isn't in the U.S yet, otherwise what's the point.",
">\n\nUm testing should not ever stop.",
">\n\nAh shit here we go again",
">\n\n\"Who left the fridge open?\"",
">\n\nIt's \"just a cold\" unless it's a non-white person from another country carrying it.\n/s",
">\n\nChina implemented an ineffective vaccine and had 30m+ cases in one day. It’s specifically that gov. refusing to use effective vaccines",
">\n\nAnd the United States had effective vaccines that half the country is not willing to nor willing to wear masks, while complaining to other countries like China about their travel restrictions (from China and Hong Kong). And honestly I’m not oppose to a tighter restriction on China while they are experiencing a surge in new cases just as it did with any other countries that initially loosen covid restrictions, what makes me question this being race or politically motivated is the hypocrisy; people complained about China being oppressive when it was enforcing all the covid restrictions and when they loosen it “China doesn’t care about human lives”.\nSo what exactly do you want them to do?",
">\n\n\nto Require Negative Covid Tests for Travelers From China\n\nLuckily China is well known for its systemic unwillingness to fake or counterfeit things, so everything should be fine.\nhonest.",
">\n\nSeems purely retaliatory with no actual effectiveness.\nEnforcement is over a week away and presumably China has hit its peak already (flights being 40% positive)",
">\n\nThe rich rats are going to buy fake tests and jump ship breaking quarantine just like they did in the first wave. Cutting flights or enforcing quarantines is the only way to prevent this stuff from jumping oceans but god forbid anybody inhibit the jet setters.",
">\n\nHALF of the passengers on a plane from China going to Italy tested positive the other day (tested on arrival). Chances are most if not all of them had negative test results they could show that they took before they left. This won't do anything to stop people coming into the US while positive..we are going to have to go through this all over again and we won't have the same somewhat cooperative response in the US this time if it is a variant that evades immunity... It will get REALLY bad.",
">\n\nSeriously they know red states will just let them in and will never do another shut down again. So start dealt with out break countries this way to slow it down or corner it. But I see very very bad days ahead for China and Russia is starting to report out breaks too.",
">\n\nMust. When?",
">\n\nWe already require this from canada iirc\nEdit: i was wrong, canada requires it from us.",
">\n\nI hope we are talking PCR tests... those store-bought 15-minute ones struggle to get a positive if you have any sort of vaccination, even while symptomatic and miserable.",
">\n\nWell, a little bit of good news. I'll take it.",
">\n\nTravel should have been 100$ restricted a long time ago. Travel should be restricted to any country experiencing a COVID outbreak.",
">\n\nWonderful. Another round of Asian hating.",
">\n\nWho's hating on Asians? We're trying to stop this virus from killing people.",
">\n\nor… ban flights from china??",
">\n\nDoesn’t make sense in singling out China when covid is widespread in every single country",
">\n\nThe extent of covid in china atm is just absurd. Two weeks ago, they had 37 MILLION cases in one day. Think about that. Thats more people than a lot of countries! \nsource",
">\n\nI wonder why China has so much trouble with COVID compared to other countries, despite being so strict.",
">\n\nIt’s because they had the zero covid approaches that people are advocating for in this thread and they suddenly reversed course. Everyone in China is getting it so fast its likely the same variants quickly spreading in a population that suddenly reversed course. Having many people getting it over time and exposed to new generations of the virus (which is what happens over time) is more insidious but people here think thats fine",
">\n\nEveryone saying this is racist, do not pay attention to the world",
">\n\nIt was called racist and xenophobic when Trump did it. The left are hypocritical emotional wrecks.",
">\n\nnah trump was racist or did you forget he called it the “china virus” and subsequent hate crimes increased against adians",
">\n\nLet’s not change the subject. We’re talking about testing travelers from China here. Always trying to deflect.",
">\n\nIs that what he did, though? That and nothing else? This is a Fox News headline, but I bet there's a lot more to it. There usually is.\nFYI, Italy is also requiring testing of travelers from China at this time.\nBecause of the high number of cases in China at this time."
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"People from China will travel through Europe and come in to America from the east coast like they did when the pandemic started. This will do nothing if all travelers aboard aren’t made to test.",
">\n\nLet's hope EU and other countries do the same.",
">\n\nI don't know if they will. Australia (for example) had some of the toughest Covid policies and they've essentially just thrown them all out the window.\nSo I don't know how willing countries are to go back to being overly concerned about Covid.",
">\n\nThey should be concerned w chinese, it's spreading like wildfire in china. If we aren't careful, they will come out w covid 20.",
">\n\nIt’s spreading everywhere including the USA. This policy has nothing to do with science or medicine. It’s just politics.",
">\n\nNo. It’s circulating like mad in a population of 1 billion people who haven’t been exposed before. This is how new variants come about. Every country should require negative Covid test for china at least until it cycles through the population",
">\n\n\nNo. It’s circulating like mad in a population of 1 billion people who haven’t been exposed before.\n\nIt's also spreading like mad in all the countries of the world including the USA.\n\nThis is how new variants come about. \n\nAnd they have been for years now.\n\nEvery country should require negative Covid test for china at least until it cycles through the population\n\nOnly for political reasons. There is no scientific or rational demand for this. \nI get it, you hate china, most americans hate china so just be honest and say what you really mean.",
">\n\nStrains are spreading in the west yes, but there are new strains in China that are spreading and we don't know if our vaccines will work with those strains. We know the Chinese vaccines have a low efficacy rate and we know they are not mRNA vaccines which allow for easier adaptation to new strains. Making travelers with a Chinese passport take Covid tests at any and all airports is not racist or even unfair - a reminder that China has been relatively hard to travel to for the last 2 years because they were locked down to foreign travel as well. This is simply good policy from a public health measure, and you not wanting to see that for what it is and instead attribute it to a nascent American hatred for China is laughable. the World Health Organization estimated close to 800 million new cases in China in the next few months, with another estimate 4 million deaths and countless new strains coming out during that period. This is about protection populations, not punishing China.",
">\n\n\nStrains are spreading in the west yes, but there are new strains in China that are spreading and we don't know if our vaccines will work with those strains.\n\nYou don't know if vaccines work against any new variant even if that variant is from a country populated with white people.\n\nWe know the Chinese vaccines have a low efficacy rate and we know they are not mRNA vaccines which allow for easier adaptation to new strains. \n\nThe vaccine doesn't adapt once inside of your body you know that right?\n\nMaking travelers with a Chinese passport take Covid tests at any and all airports is not racist or even unfair \n\nit's definitely unfair and probably racist as well.\n\nhis is simply good policy from a public health measure, a\n\nA good policy would be to require vaccinations from everybody. Think about it, you are requiring a vaccine that you said doesn't even work. How much sense does that make?\n\nattribute it to a nascent American hatred for China is laughable.\n\nNascent?\n\nThis is about protection populations, not punishing China.\n\nIt's definitely about punishing china, it's a part of the current cold war with China conducted by the USA.",
">\n\n\nYou don't know if vaccines work against any new variant even if that variant is from a country populated with white people.\n\nAll the more reason to not invite more new strains into the country. White population or otherwise has nothing to do with it, expected rise in cases in China does.\n\nThe vaccine doesn't adapt once inside of your body you know that right?\n\nYou missed the point. The point i was making was that the Chinese medical system has not even approached Covid with an mRNA vaccine, and steadfastly refused to license western vaccines. If the vaccine most readily available in China has a 50% efficacy then the population is at more risk of contracting the virus and having negative results. The infection rates are increased with each new case of BA.7 (China is currently seeing each covid patient infecting on average 18 other people represented as 1:18, whereas the in US the rate is 1:3.9). Each of these factors increases the risk of developing new strains that are vaccine resistant. \n\nit's definitely unfair and probably racist as well\n\nIs it your position that nations cannot take any prescriptive action to prevent the spread of infected persons from other countries? Again i would remind you that China has basically been locked down for the last 2 years, with severe limitations to personal freedoms themselves. This is not based on race, but rather a government's inability to contain a contagious outbreak in their own country and not wanting it to spread. \n\nA good policy would be to require vaccinations from everybody. Think about it, you are requiring a vaccine that you said doesn't even work. How much sense does that make?\n\nThat might be your definition on good policy, but it isn't mine and that isn't how the west does it. \"I\" am not requiring a vaccine that \"I\" said doesn't work - that was your suggestion not mine. Also, i said the efficacy of the Chinese vaccine is 50% - based on available information - i never said it didn't work, and i never said that it should be mandatory or required.\n\nNascent?\n\nPoor and wrong word choice on my part it seems. What i meant was ascribing the US decision to require testing of Chinese travelers to racism because you believe that the US is racist is laughable. Taking a test to prove that you are covid negative is far less onerous on a traveler than most visa requirements.\n\nIt's definitely about punishing china, it's a part of the current cold war with China conducted by the USA.\n\nCite your sources. I could point to many Chinese government policies that i could say are part of the current cold war with the US without backing it up and it would be just as credible as what you said. Opinion is not a source, and not proof. You assume that the US government is racist, that this policy is racist and yet we have had travel bans imposed on other countries, as well as testing required for travelers from other countries imposed before, and other policies and so has China. For goodness sake China has been closed to foreigners for almost 3 years, and is still closed to foreign travel until January 2023. Is that a racist policy as well?",
">\n\nHere we go again.\nThis time I think I'll learn French cooking.",
">\n\n5000 People a day will have to die before Anybody says the word Lock down in the States ever again.",
">\n\nDon’t understand why people can’t handle staying at home for two weeks when it could potentially eradicate a deadly virus. Are we that weak?",
">\n\nWe did that in large part in March 2020. And did China not spend years locking down their citizens? \nPeoples savings are gone. They need to work. \nWearing a mask would do a lot to help the issue but people aren’t willing to do that anymore.",
">\n\nWe didn't do that though. We didn't all lock down when we were supposed to. Where I work I had to go in from the very start all the way through. Most people, the majority of people, didn't stay home even if they didn't have work. Most people didn't fuck with masks or keeping a distance, and even people who weren't antivaccers didn't take the vaccine seriously for the longest time. \nWe had no fucking lock down, unless you were a well-off celebrity or comedian who wanted to talk about being locked down for content. \nIf people legit locked down, they would have taken a small hit financially, but too many people didn't do shit and prolonged everything.",
">\n\nThe things is that it doesn't take long to drain peoples saving - becuase the overwhelming majority of people have practically none. \nSo an extended lockdown was never feasible unless the government was willing to pay several trillion dollars of expenses, not just 2 or 3 times but several times over.",
">\n\nI didn't dispute any of what you said. I pointed out that most people actively contested any safety measure and most people didn't actually lock down. Any extension will almost certainly be the fault of most of those people. \nI'd gladly let them all die if it meant the few people who did take things seriously didn't have to live through a Walking Dead scenario or have to take a huge financial hit because them.",
">\n\nMost people did lock down just fine initially. After a few weeks turned into a month or more, yeah people got testy.\nAdditionally, a gigantic amount of people work in critical industries and simply cant stay home. Just keeping the lights and water on requires tens of millions of workers, plus industries like plants and refineries that simply cannot shut down without massive long-term consequences.\nReddit is full of office people who can WFH, the vast majority of people cant.",
">\n\nI was one of those who couldn't stay home. Right out of the gate most people gave up on almost all of it except when they were making a show of complying when they had to. There was a lot of cheating. I walk through a lot of different areas. The waves of patients and bodies we got at work tracked with that and became predictable.",
">\n\nWhat’s that saying that ends with ”…doomed to repeat it?”",
">\n\nWhy not just require a negative test from everyone?",
">\n\nWho would you expect to pay for that?",
">\n\nGovernments or sponsors from the private sector ideally, I honestly don’t give a fuck. I’ve gotten many free tests from both and I’ve also bought some for like $8.",
">\n\n“Here we go again” from everyone in the comments. \nThe virus never stopped, we did.",
">\n\nVirus will always be there. Permanent restrictions are unsustainable",
">\n\n3 years later...\nIs this permanent?",
">\n\nI doubt there's anything that would make Republicans running in 2024 happier then Democrats advocating for a return to COVID restrictions.",
">\n\nRight? It’d be like the democrats fighting for gun control, or gay and trans rights, or safe and legal abortions. It would be political suicide to stand for something that Republicans don’t like!",
">\n\nMy understanding is that everything you listed is broadly popular or has at least a majority of American's in favor of it. A return to COVID restrictions is not in that category.",
">\n\nGun control isn’t even universally loved amongst the American left, as the hard left needs them for protection from the hard right they clash with, and the middle left does like having their guns taken as much as any middle right wing does, only mid left likes it",
">\n\nGallup has 57% of Americans feeling that in general gun laws should be more strict.",
">\n\nRegular people want kids to stop dying while in school. The problem is \"stricter laws\" is vague and no one can agree on what it means or give a serious proposal that would work, short of confiscation and bans, which are wildly unpopular.",
">\n\nVague political talking points is the best we’re going to get. Much as I’d love a Ross Perot style of breaking down every platform and promise, the general public doesn’t go for it. Buzz words are all we have the attention span for.",
">\n\nChina's COVID-19 surge raises odds of new coronavirus variants\nThings could get very ugly.",
">\n\nYou say this like covid hasn't been spreading rampantly through literally every country on the planet, mostly without any measures to stop the spread. Why does China get a different treatment and maybe countries should require tests from the US or Inida or Europe?",
">\n\nI agree. US was primarily the culprit of why COVID went rampant to begin with. We actively refused to enforce any sort of safety measures, just a mild suggestion of \"maybe wear a mask, if you want to, it's ok if you don't\" and \"we have vaccines if you want one, no pressure tho\". That was really our response to the world's deadliest pandemic.",
">\n\nWe actively made fun of zero covid approaches on reddit and now based on the comments on this thread we are suddenly pro “zero covid” approaches",
">\n\nEveryone finally watched contagion",
">\n\nSo far my 2023 bingo card is reading alooot of skull and crossbones, I think I might actually win at something next year, what does your score card look like?",
">\n\nWhen’s that $1200 going to hit my account?",
">\n\nI’m still living off mine from last time!",
">\n\nI’m still looking for mine",
">\n\nI’m waiting for that $600 bucks from Biden still, but that’s going right into my retirement!",
">\n\nYou dont get he meant to include any money you already received as well /s",
">\n\nI seem to remember campaign ads with $2000 checks.",
">\n\nYep they explicitly mentioned $2,000 checks.",
">\n\nMy comment was sarcasm but in retrospect there are so many neoliberals saying that word for word in all seriousness that I should and will add a sarcasm tag",
">\n\nThat's nice and all, but let's not act like we're not just ignoring our own COVID problems.",
">\n\n\n\"You don't have zero tolerance anymore? We can't tolerate that.\"\n\n- Country with 100% tolerance",
">\n\nWhy not require a negative COVID test from everyone entering the country? It’s like they don’t want COVID to be under control.",
">\n\nI think this is because China has a relatively low vaccination rate because they relied on lock downs. Now that lock downs are being ramped down, they are having a huge surge.",
">\n\nThe vaccination rate in China is considerably higher than the US (92% vs 81%). This is just another example of yellow peril",
">\n\nThank you for pointing this out. What I said above was wrong about the vaccination rate. I don’t know why exactly China is having a surge. 🤷♂️",
">\n\nTheir vaccination rate is high but their vaccine, SinoVac is based on old tech. It conveys effectively zero protection from variants when compared to all the other types of vaccines on the market.",
">\n\nYou guys are so full of shit. At 3 doses Sinovac gives the same protection as any western vaccine with boosters to help mitigate mutated variants. Stop spreading misinfo.",
">\n\n\"Does that thumbnail of someone getting tested read too much like 'screaming uselessly into the void'?\"\n\"I'm sure it'll be fine.\"",
">\n\nMaybe, just maybe they shouldnt have stopped testing airplane passengers in the first place... \nWe have cheap, readily available tests that take 10 minutes to complete. There’s really no reason not to test ever passenger before boarding...",
">\n\nEveryone I know who had Omicron tested negative until their symptoms cleared. It was evading the RATs, for some reason.",
">\n\nI tested positive on a rapid test two days after getting congested. Every teacher coworker of mine who bothered to test after getting cold symptoms also did. I think it's why so few parents now test their kids before sending time to school sick. They don't want to know so we all find out when we or our family members then test positive, missing work on their sick kids' behalf so they didn't have to. \nI have also heard the rapid test can give false negatives but anecdotal references don't mean much.",
">\n\nA day late and a dollar short. Same old song and dance.",
">\n\nWow, it’s like history literally repeating itself.",
">\n\nIndeed it is. I hope everyone is prepared for what’s next.",
">\n\nWe should require negative COVID tests for people to fly within the US, too.\nIt makes no difference to me if the person who infects me at LAX is coming in from China, or from Texas.",
">\n\nThere is a high chance anyone that comes from China has Covid right now. Low chance that someone inside America has.",
">\n\nNaw. China’s percent is much higher, sure, but it’s not like US infection rates are low. You can pretty much guarantee an infected American on every sold out domestic flight. The latest variants are super, super contagious, and it only takes one infected person to pose a serious risk to the other people sharing their space, and then all of their families and friends after they land. All flights should still require testing and masking at this point, or all we’ve really accomplished is pacifying the dimwits and xenophobes.\nI know at least 3 people who 100% contracted COVID while flying domestically in the US this last month - because they were isolated for the incubation period beforehand. They were masked the entire time they were in the airport and on the plane.",
">\n\nIf they were masked up and I assume vaccinated and still caught the virus then preventable measures like these aren’t that effective.",
">\n\nIs there a new strain of Covid that isn't in the U.S yet, otherwise what's the point.",
">\n\nUm testing should not ever stop.",
">\n\nAh shit here we go again",
">\n\n\"Who left the fridge open?\"",
">\n\nIt's \"just a cold\" unless it's a non-white person from another country carrying it.\n/s",
">\n\nChina implemented an ineffective vaccine and had 30m+ cases in one day. It’s specifically that gov. refusing to use effective vaccines",
">\n\nAnd the United States had effective vaccines that half the country is not willing to nor willing to wear masks, while complaining to other countries like China about their travel restrictions (from China and Hong Kong). And honestly I’m not oppose to a tighter restriction on China while they are experiencing a surge in new cases just as it did with any other countries that initially loosen covid restrictions, what makes me question this being race or politically motivated is the hypocrisy; people complained about China being oppressive when it was enforcing all the covid restrictions and when they loosen it “China doesn’t care about human lives”.\nSo what exactly do you want them to do?",
">\n\n\nto Require Negative Covid Tests for Travelers From China\n\nLuckily China is well known for its systemic unwillingness to fake or counterfeit things, so everything should be fine.\nhonest.",
">\n\nSeems purely retaliatory with no actual effectiveness.\nEnforcement is over a week away and presumably China has hit its peak already (flights being 40% positive)",
">\n\nThe rich rats are going to buy fake tests and jump ship breaking quarantine just like they did in the first wave. Cutting flights or enforcing quarantines is the only way to prevent this stuff from jumping oceans but god forbid anybody inhibit the jet setters.",
">\n\nHALF of the passengers on a plane from China going to Italy tested positive the other day (tested on arrival). Chances are most if not all of them had negative test results they could show that they took before they left. This won't do anything to stop people coming into the US while positive..we are going to have to go through this all over again and we won't have the same somewhat cooperative response in the US this time if it is a variant that evades immunity... It will get REALLY bad.",
">\n\nSeriously they know red states will just let them in and will never do another shut down again. So start dealt with out break countries this way to slow it down or corner it. But I see very very bad days ahead for China and Russia is starting to report out breaks too.",
">\n\nMust. When?",
">\n\nWe already require this from canada iirc\nEdit: i was wrong, canada requires it from us.",
">\n\nI hope we are talking PCR tests... those store-bought 15-minute ones struggle to get a positive if you have any sort of vaccination, even while symptomatic and miserable.",
">\n\nWell, a little bit of good news. I'll take it.",
">\n\nTravel should have been 100$ restricted a long time ago. Travel should be restricted to any country experiencing a COVID outbreak.",
">\n\nWonderful. Another round of Asian hating.",
">\n\nWho's hating on Asians? We're trying to stop this virus from killing people.",
">\n\nor… ban flights from china??",
">\n\nDoesn’t make sense in singling out China when covid is widespread in every single country",
">\n\nThe extent of covid in china atm is just absurd. Two weeks ago, they had 37 MILLION cases in one day. Think about that. Thats more people than a lot of countries! \nsource",
">\n\nI wonder why China has so much trouble with COVID compared to other countries, despite being so strict.",
">\n\nIt’s because they had the zero covid approaches that people are advocating for in this thread and they suddenly reversed course. Everyone in China is getting it so fast its likely the same variants quickly spreading in a population that suddenly reversed course. Having many people getting it over time and exposed to new generations of the virus (which is what happens over time) is more insidious but people here think thats fine",
">\n\nEveryone saying this is racist, do not pay attention to the world",
">\n\nIt was called racist and xenophobic when Trump did it. The left are hypocritical emotional wrecks.",
">\n\nnah trump was racist or did you forget he called it the “china virus” and subsequent hate crimes increased against adians",
">\n\nLet’s not change the subject. We’re talking about testing travelers from China here. Always trying to deflect.",
">\n\nIs that what he did, though? That and nothing else? This is a Fox News headline, but I bet there's a lot more to it. There usually is.\nFYI, Italy is also requiring testing of travelers from China at this time.\nBecause of the high number of cases in China at this time.",
">\n\nSo many dumb replies here. I am sad about where humankind is at."
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"People from China will travel through Europe and come in to America from the east coast like they did when the pandemic started. This will do nothing if all travelers aboard aren’t made to test.",
">\n\nLet's hope EU and other countries do the same.",
">\n\nI don't know if they will. Australia (for example) had some of the toughest Covid policies and they've essentially just thrown them all out the window.\nSo I don't know how willing countries are to go back to being overly concerned about Covid.",
">\n\nThey should be concerned w chinese, it's spreading like wildfire in china. If we aren't careful, they will come out w covid 20.",
">\n\nIt’s spreading everywhere including the USA. This policy has nothing to do with science or medicine. It’s just politics.",
">\n\nNo. It’s circulating like mad in a population of 1 billion people who haven’t been exposed before. This is how new variants come about. Every country should require negative Covid test for china at least until it cycles through the population",
">\n\n\nNo. It’s circulating like mad in a population of 1 billion people who haven’t been exposed before.\n\nIt's also spreading like mad in all the countries of the world including the USA.\n\nThis is how new variants come about. \n\nAnd they have been for years now.\n\nEvery country should require negative Covid test for china at least until it cycles through the population\n\nOnly for political reasons. There is no scientific or rational demand for this. \nI get it, you hate china, most americans hate china so just be honest and say what you really mean.",
">\n\nStrains are spreading in the west yes, but there are new strains in China that are spreading and we don't know if our vaccines will work with those strains. We know the Chinese vaccines have a low efficacy rate and we know they are not mRNA vaccines which allow for easier adaptation to new strains. Making travelers with a Chinese passport take Covid tests at any and all airports is not racist or even unfair - a reminder that China has been relatively hard to travel to for the last 2 years because they were locked down to foreign travel as well. This is simply good policy from a public health measure, and you not wanting to see that for what it is and instead attribute it to a nascent American hatred for China is laughable. the World Health Organization estimated close to 800 million new cases in China in the next few months, with another estimate 4 million deaths and countless new strains coming out during that period. This is about protection populations, not punishing China.",
">\n\n\nStrains are spreading in the west yes, but there are new strains in China that are spreading and we don't know if our vaccines will work with those strains.\n\nYou don't know if vaccines work against any new variant even if that variant is from a country populated with white people.\n\nWe know the Chinese vaccines have a low efficacy rate and we know they are not mRNA vaccines which allow for easier adaptation to new strains. \n\nThe vaccine doesn't adapt once inside of your body you know that right?\n\nMaking travelers with a Chinese passport take Covid tests at any and all airports is not racist or even unfair \n\nit's definitely unfair and probably racist as well.\n\nhis is simply good policy from a public health measure, a\n\nA good policy would be to require vaccinations from everybody. Think about it, you are requiring a vaccine that you said doesn't even work. How much sense does that make?\n\nattribute it to a nascent American hatred for China is laughable.\n\nNascent?\n\nThis is about protection populations, not punishing China.\n\nIt's definitely about punishing china, it's a part of the current cold war with China conducted by the USA.",
">\n\n\nYou don't know if vaccines work against any new variant even if that variant is from a country populated with white people.\n\nAll the more reason to not invite more new strains into the country. White population or otherwise has nothing to do with it, expected rise in cases in China does.\n\nThe vaccine doesn't adapt once inside of your body you know that right?\n\nYou missed the point. The point i was making was that the Chinese medical system has not even approached Covid with an mRNA vaccine, and steadfastly refused to license western vaccines. If the vaccine most readily available in China has a 50% efficacy then the population is at more risk of contracting the virus and having negative results. The infection rates are increased with each new case of BA.7 (China is currently seeing each covid patient infecting on average 18 other people represented as 1:18, whereas the in US the rate is 1:3.9). Each of these factors increases the risk of developing new strains that are vaccine resistant. \n\nit's definitely unfair and probably racist as well\n\nIs it your position that nations cannot take any prescriptive action to prevent the spread of infected persons from other countries? Again i would remind you that China has basically been locked down for the last 2 years, with severe limitations to personal freedoms themselves. This is not based on race, but rather a government's inability to contain a contagious outbreak in their own country and not wanting it to spread. \n\nA good policy would be to require vaccinations from everybody. Think about it, you are requiring a vaccine that you said doesn't even work. How much sense does that make?\n\nThat might be your definition on good policy, but it isn't mine and that isn't how the west does it. \"I\" am not requiring a vaccine that \"I\" said doesn't work - that was your suggestion not mine. Also, i said the efficacy of the Chinese vaccine is 50% - based on available information - i never said it didn't work, and i never said that it should be mandatory or required.\n\nNascent?\n\nPoor and wrong word choice on my part it seems. What i meant was ascribing the US decision to require testing of Chinese travelers to racism because you believe that the US is racist is laughable. Taking a test to prove that you are covid negative is far less onerous on a traveler than most visa requirements.\n\nIt's definitely about punishing china, it's a part of the current cold war with China conducted by the USA.\n\nCite your sources. I could point to many Chinese government policies that i could say are part of the current cold war with the US without backing it up and it would be just as credible as what you said. Opinion is not a source, and not proof. You assume that the US government is racist, that this policy is racist and yet we have had travel bans imposed on other countries, as well as testing required for travelers from other countries imposed before, and other policies and so has China. For goodness sake China has been closed to foreigners for almost 3 years, and is still closed to foreign travel until January 2023. Is that a racist policy as well?",
">\n\nHere we go again.\nThis time I think I'll learn French cooking.",
">\n\n5000 People a day will have to die before Anybody says the word Lock down in the States ever again.",
">\n\nDon’t understand why people can’t handle staying at home for two weeks when it could potentially eradicate a deadly virus. Are we that weak?",
">\n\nWe did that in large part in March 2020. And did China not spend years locking down their citizens? \nPeoples savings are gone. They need to work. \nWearing a mask would do a lot to help the issue but people aren’t willing to do that anymore.",
">\n\nWe didn't do that though. We didn't all lock down when we were supposed to. Where I work I had to go in from the very start all the way through. Most people, the majority of people, didn't stay home even if they didn't have work. Most people didn't fuck with masks or keeping a distance, and even people who weren't antivaccers didn't take the vaccine seriously for the longest time. \nWe had no fucking lock down, unless you were a well-off celebrity or comedian who wanted to talk about being locked down for content. \nIf people legit locked down, they would have taken a small hit financially, but too many people didn't do shit and prolonged everything.",
">\n\nThe things is that it doesn't take long to drain peoples saving - becuase the overwhelming majority of people have practically none. \nSo an extended lockdown was never feasible unless the government was willing to pay several trillion dollars of expenses, not just 2 or 3 times but several times over.",
">\n\nI didn't dispute any of what you said. I pointed out that most people actively contested any safety measure and most people didn't actually lock down. Any extension will almost certainly be the fault of most of those people. \nI'd gladly let them all die if it meant the few people who did take things seriously didn't have to live through a Walking Dead scenario or have to take a huge financial hit because them.",
">\n\nMost people did lock down just fine initially. After a few weeks turned into a month or more, yeah people got testy.\nAdditionally, a gigantic amount of people work in critical industries and simply cant stay home. Just keeping the lights and water on requires tens of millions of workers, plus industries like plants and refineries that simply cannot shut down without massive long-term consequences.\nReddit is full of office people who can WFH, the vast majority of people cant.",
">\n\nI was one of those who couldn't stay home. Right out of the gate most people gave up on almost all of it except when they were making a show of complying when they had to. There was a lot of cheating. I walk through a lot of different areas. The waves of patients and bodies we got at work tracked with that and became predictable.",
">\n\nWhat’s that saying that ends with ”…doomed to repeat it?”",
">\n\nWhy not just require a negative test from everyone?",
">\n\nWho would you expect to pay for that?",
">\n\nGovernments or sponsors from the private sector ideally, I honestly don’t give a fuck. I’ve gotten many free tests from both and I’ve also bought some for like $8.",
">\n\n“Here we go again” from everyone in the comments. \nThe virus never stopped, we did.",
">\n\nVirus will always be there. Permanent restrictions are unsustainable",
">\n\n3 years later...\nIs this permanent?",
">\n\nI doubt there's anything that would make Republicans running in 2024 happier then Democrats advocating for a return to COVID restrictions.",
">\n\nRight? It’d be like the democrats fighting for gun control, or gay and trans rights, or safe and legal abortions. It would be political suicide to stand for something that Republicans don’t like!",
">\n\nMy understanding is that everything you listed is broadly popular or has at least a majority of American's in favor of it. A return to COVID restrictions is not in that category.",
">\n\nGun control isn’t even universally loved amongst the American left, as the hard left needs them for protection from the hard right they clash with, and the middle left does like having their guns taken as much as any middle right wing does, only mid left likes it",
">\n\nGallup has 57% of Americans feeling that in general gun laws should be more strict.",
">\n\nRegular people want kids to stop dying while in school. The problem is \"stricter laws\" is vague and no one can agree on what it means or give a serious proposal that would work, short of confiscation and bans, which are wildly unpopular.",
">\n\nVague political talking points is the best we’re going to get. Much as I’d love a Ross Perot style of breaking down every platform and promise, the general public doesn’t go for it. Buzz words are all we have the attention span for.",
">\n\nChina's COVID-19 surge raises odds of new coronavirus variants\nThings could get very ugly.",
">\n\nYou say this like covid hasn't been spreading rampantly through literally every country on the planet, mostly without any measures to stop the spread. Why does China get a different treatment and maybe countries should require tests from the US or Inida or Europe?",
">\n\nI agree. US was primarily the culprit of why COVID went rampant to begin with. We actively refused to enforce any sort of safety measures, just a mild suggestion of \"maybe wear a mask, if you want to, it's ok if you don't\" and \"we have vaccines if you want one, no pressure tho\". That was really our response to the world's deadliest pandemic.",
">\n\nWe actively made fun of zero covid approaches on reddit and now based on the comments on this thread we are suddenly pro “zero covid” approaches",
">\n\nEveryone finally watched contagion",
">\n\nSo far my 2023 bingo card is reading alooot of skull and crossbones, I think I might actually win at something next year, what does your score card look like?",
">\n\nWhen’s that $1200 going to hit my account?",
">\n\nI’m still living off mine from last time!",
">\n\nI’m still looking for mine",
">\n\nI’m waiting for that $600 bucks from Biden still, but that’s going right into my retirement!",
">\n\nYou dont get he meant to include any money you already received as well /s",
">\n\nI seem to remember campaign ads with $2000 checks.",
">\n\nYep they explicitly mentioned $2,000 checks.",
">\n\nMy comment was sarcasm but in retrospect there are so many neoliberals saying that word for word in all seriousness that I should and will add a sarcasm tag",
">\n\nThat's nice and all, but let's not act like we're not just ignoring our own COVID problems.",
">\n\n\n\"You don't have zero tolerance anymore? We can't tolerate that.\"\n\n- Country with 100% tolerance",
">\n\nWhy not require a negative COVID test from everyone entering the country? It’s like they don’t want COVID to be under control.",
">\n\nI think this is because China has a relatively low vaccination rate because they relied on lock downs. Now that lock downs are being ramped down, they are having a huge surge.",
">\n\nThe vaccination rate in China is considerably higher than the US (92% vs 81%). This is just another example of yellow peril",
">\n\nThank you for pointing this out. What I said above was wrong about the vaccination rate. I don’t know why exactly China is having a surge. 🤷♂️",
">\n\nTheir vaccination rate is high but their vaccine, SinoVac is based on old tech. It conveys effectively zero protection from variants when compared to all the other types of vaccines on the market.",
">\n\nYou guys are so full of shit. At 3 doses Sinovac gives the same protection as any western vaccine with boosters to help mitigate mutated variants. Stop spreading misinfo.",
">\n\n\"Does that thumbnail of someone getting tested read too much like 'screaming uselessly into the void'?\"\n\"I'm sure it'll be fine.\"",
">\n\nMaybe, just maybe they shouldnt have stopped testing airplane passengers in the first place... \nWe have cheap, readily available tests that take 10 minutes to complete. There’s really no reason not to test ever passenger before boarding...",
">\n\nEveryone I know who had Omicron tested negative until their symptoms cleared. It was evading the RATs, for some reason.",
">\n\nI tested positive on a rapid test two days after getting congested. Every teacher coworker of mine who bothered to test after getting cold symptoms also did. I think it's why so few parents now test their kids before sending time to school sick. They don't want to know so we all find out when we or our family members then test positive, missing work on their sick kids' behalf so they didn't have to. \nI have also heard the rapid test can give false negatives but anecdotal references don't mean much.",
">\n\nA day late and a dollar short. Same old song and dance.",
">\n\nWow, it’s like history literally repeating itself.",
">\n\nIndeed it is. I hope everyone is prepared for what’s next.",
">\n\nWe should require negative COVID tests for people to fly within the US, too.\nIt makes no difference to me if the person who infects me at LAX is coming in from China, or from Texas.",
">\n\nThere is a high chance anyone that comes from China has Covid right now. Low chance that someone inside America has.",
">\n\nNaw. China’s percent is much higher, sure, but it’s not like US infection rates are low. You can pretty much guarantee an infected American on every sold out domestic flight. The latest variants are super, super contagious, and it only takes one infected person to pose a serious risk to the other people sharing their space, and then all of their families and friends after they land. All flights should still require testing and masking at this point, or all we’ve really accomplished is pacifying the dimwits and xenophobes.\nI know at least 3 people who 100% contracted COVID while flying domestically in the US this last month - because they were isolated for the incubation period beforehand. They were masked the entire time they were in the airport and on the plane.",
">\n\nIf they were masked up and I assume vaccinated and still caught the virus then preventable measures like these aren’t that effective.",
">\n\nIs there a new strain of Covid that isn't in the U.S yet, otherwise what's the point.",
">\n\nUm testing should not ever stop.",
">\n\nAh shit here we go again",
">\n\n\"Who left the fridge open?\"",
">\n\nIt's \"just a cold\" unless it's a non-white person from another country carrying it.\n/s",
">\n\nChina implemented an ineffective vaccine and had 30m+ cases in one day. It’s specifically that gov. refusing to use effective vaccines",
">\n\nAnd the United States had effective vaccines that half the country is not willing to nor willing to wear masks, while complaining to other countries like China about their travel restrictions (from China and Hong Kong). And honestly I’m not oppose to a tighter restriction on China while they are experiencing a surge in new cases just as it did with any other countries that initially loosen covid restrictions, what makes me question this being race or politically motivated is the hypocrisy; people complained about China being oppressive when it was enforcing all the covid restrictions and when they loosen it “China doesn’t care about human lives”.\nSo what exactly do you want them to do?",
">\n\n\nto Require Negative Covid Tests for Travelers From China\n\nLuckily China is well known for its systemic unwillingness to fake or counterfeit things, so everything should be fine.\nhonest.",
">\n\nSeems purely retaliatory with no actual effectiveness.\nEnforcement is over a week away and presumably China has hit its peak already (flights being 40% positive)",
">\n\nThe rich rats are going to buy fake tests and jump ship breaking quarantine just like they did in the first wave. Cutting flights or enforcing quarantines is the only way to prevent this stuff from jumping oceans but god forbid anybody inhibit the jet setters.",
">\n\nHALF of the passengers on a plane from China going to Italy tested positive the other day (tested on arrival). Chances are most if not all of them had negative test results they could show that they took before they left. This won't do anything to stop people coming into the US while positive..we are going to have to go through this all over again and we won't have the same somewhat cooperative response in the US this time if it is a variant that evades immunity... It will get REALLY bad.",
">\n\nSeriously they know red states will just let them in and will never do another shut down again. So start dealt with out break countries this way to slow it down or corner it. But I see very very bad days ahead for China and Russia is starting to report out breaks too.",
">\n\nMust. When?",
">\n\nWe already require this from canada iirc\nEdit: i was wrong, canada requires it from us.",
">\n\nI hope we are talking PCR tests... those store-bought 15-minute ones struggle to get a positive if you have any sort of vaccination, even while symptomatic and miserable.",
">\n\nWell, a little bit of good news. I'll take it.",
">\n\nTravel should have been 100$ restricted a long time ago. Travel should be restricted to any country experiencing a COVID outbreak.",
">\n\nWonderful. Another round of Asian hating.",
">\n\nWho's hating on Asians? We're trying to stop this virus from killing people.",
">\n\nor… ban flights from china??",
">\n\nDoesn’t make sense in singling out China when covid is widespread in every single country",
">\n\nThe extent of covid in china atm is just absurd. Two weeks ago, they had 37 MILLION cases in one day. Think about that. Thats more people than a lot of countries! \nsource",
">\n\nI wonder why China has so much trouble with COVID compared to other countries, despite being so strict.",
">\n\nIt’s because they had the zero covid approaches that people are advocating for in this thread and they suddenly reversed course. Everyone in China is getting it so fast its likely the same variants quickly spreading in a population that suddenly reversed course. Having many people getting it over time and exposed to new generations of the virus (which is what happens over time) is more insidious but people here think thats fine",
">\n\nEveryone saying this is racist, do not pay attention to the world",
">\n\nIt was called racist and xenophobic when Trump did it. The left are hypocritical emotional wrecks.",
">\n\nnah trump was racist or did you forget he called it the “china virus” and subsequent hate crimes increased against adians",
">\n\nLet’s not change the subject. We’re talking about testing travelers from China here. Always trying to deflect.",
">\n\nIs that what he did, though? That and nothing else? This is a Fox News headline, but I bet there's a lot more to it. There usually is.\nFYI, Italy is also requiring testing of travelers from China at this time.\nBecause of the high number of cases in China at this time.",
">\n\nSo many dumb replies here. I am sad about where humankind is at.",
">\n\nRound two people"
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China trying to stop Covid…lol! Fail miserably at that, build a huge infected population, then unleash it on the world. Great job China /s
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"People from China will travel through Europe and come in to America from the east coast like they did when the pandemic started. This will do nothing if all travelers aboard aren’t made to test.",
">\n\nLet's hope EU and other countries do the same.",
">\n\nI don't know if they will. Australia (for example) had some of the toughest Covid policies and they've essentially just thrown them all out the window.\nSo I don't know how willing countries are to go back to being overly concerned about Covid.",
">\n\nThey should be concerned w chinese, it's spreading like wildfire in china. If we aren't careful, they will come out w covid 20.",
">\n\nIt’s spreading everywhere including the USA. This policy has nothing to do with science or medicine. It’s just politics.",
">\n\nNo. It’s circulating like mad in a population of 1 billion people who haven’t been exposed before. This is how new variants come about. Every country should require negative Covid test for china at least until it cycles through the population",
">\n\n\nNo. It’s circulating like mad in a population of 1 billion people who haven’t been exposed before.\n\nIt's also spreading like mad in all the countries of the world including the USA.\n\nThis is how new variants come about. \n\nAnd they have been for years now.\n\nEvery country should require negative Covid test for china at least until it cycles through the population\n\nOnly for political reasons. There is no scientific or rational demand for this. \nI get it, you hate china, most americans hate china so just be honest and say what you really mean.",
">\n\nStrains are spreading in the west yes, but there are new strains in China that are spreading and we don't know if our vaccines will work with those strains. We know the Chinese vaccines have a low efficacy rate and we know they are not mRNA vaccines which allow for easier adaptation to new strains. Making travelers with a Chinese passport take Covid tests at any and all airports is not racist or even unfair - a reminder that China has been relatively hard to travel to for the last 2 years because they were locked down to foreign travel as well. This is simply good policy from a public health measure, and you not wanting to see that for what it is and instead attribute it to a nascent American hatred for China is laughable. the World Health Organization estimated close to 800 million new cases in China in the next few months, with another estimate 4 million deaths and countless new strains coming out during that period. This is about protection populations, not punishing China.",
">\n\n\nStrains are spreading in the west yes, but there are new strains in China that are spreading and we don't know if our vaccines will work with those strains.\n\nYou don't know if vaccines work against any new variant even if that variant is from a country populated with white people.\n\nWe know the Chinese vaccines have a low efficacy rate and we know they are not mRNA vaccines which allow for easier adaptation to new strains. \n\nThe vaccine doesn't adapt once inside of your body you know that right?\n\nMaking travelers with a Chinese passport take Covid tests at any and all airports is not racist or even unfair \n\nit's definitely unfair and probably racist as well.\n\nhis is simply good policy from a public health measure, a\n\nA good policy would be to require vaccinations from everybody. Think about it, you are requiring a vaccine that you said doesn't even work. How much sense does that make?\n\nattribute it to a nascent American hatred for China is laughable.\n\nNascent?\n\nThis is about protection populations, not punishing China.\n\nIt's definitely about punishing china, it's a part of the current cold war with China conducted by the USA.",
">\n\n\nYou don't know if vaccines work against any new variant even if that variant is from a country populated with white people.\n\nAll the more reason to not invite more new strains into the country. White population or otherwise has nothing to do with it, expected rise in cases in China does.\n\nThe vaccine doesn't adapt once inside of your body you know that right?\n\nYou missed the point. The point i was making was that the Chinese medical system has not even approached Covid with an mRNA vaccine, and steadfastly refused to license western vaccines. If the vaccine most readily available in China has a 50% efficacy then the population is at more risk of contracting the virus and having negative results. The infection rates are increased with each new case of BA.7 (China is currently seeing each covid patient infecting on average 18 other people represented as 1:18, whereas the in US the rate is 1:3.9). Each of these factors increases the risk of developing new strains that are vaccine resistant. \n\nit's definitely unfair and probably racist as well\n\nIs it your position that nations cannot take any prescriptive action to prevent the spread of infected persons from other countries? Again i would remind you that China has basically been locked down for the last 2 years, with severe limitations to personal freedoms themselves. This is not based on race, but rather a government's inability to contain a contagious outbreak in their own country and not wanting it to spread. \n\nA good policy would be to require vaccinations from everybody. Think about it, you are requiring a vaccine that you said doesn't even work. How much sense does that make?\n\nThat might be your definition on good policy, but it isn't mine and that isn't how the west does it. \"I\" am not requiring a vaccine that \"I\" said doesn't work - that was your suggestion not mine. Also, i said the efficacy of the Chinese vaccine is 50% - based on available information - i never said it didn't work, and i never said that it should be mandatory or required.\n\nNascent?\n\nPoor and wrong word choice on my part it seems. What i meant was ascribing the US decision to require testing of Chinese travelers to racism because you believe that the US is racist is laughable. Taking a test to prove that you are covid negative is far less onerous on a traveler than most visa requirements.\n\nIt's definitely about punishing china, it's a part of the current cold war with China conducted by the USA.\n\nCite your sources. I could point to many Chinese government policies that i could say are part of the current cold war with the US without backing it up and it would be just as credible as what you said. Opinion is not a source, and not proof. You assume that the US government is racist, that this policy is racist and yet we have had travel bans imposed on other countries, as well as testing required for travelers from other countries imposed before, and other policies and so has China. For goodness sake China has been closed to foreigners for almost 3 years, and is still closed to foreign travel until January 2023. Is that a racist policy as well?",
">\n\nHere we go again.\nThis time I think I'll learn French cooking.",
">\n\n5000 People a day will have to die before Anybody says the word Lock down in the States ever again.",
">\n\nDon’t understand why people can’t handle staying at home for two weeks when it could potentially eradicate a deadly virus. Are we that weak?",
">\n\nWe did that in large part in March 2020. And did China not spend years locking down their citizens? \nPeoples savings are gone. They need to work. \nWearing a mask would do a lot to help the issue but people aren’t willing to do that anymore.",
">\n\nWe didn't do that though. We didn't all lock down when we were supposed to. Where I work I had to go in from the very start all the way through. Most people, the majority of people, didn't stay home even if they didn't have work. Most people didn't fuck with masks or keeping a distance, and even people who weren't antivaccers didn't take the vaccine seriously for the longest time. \nWe had no fucking lock down, unless you were a well-off celebrity or comedian who wanted to talk about being locked down for content. \nIf people legit locked down, they would have taken a small hit financially, but too many people didn't do shit and prolonged everything.",
">\n\nThe things is that it doesn't take long to drain peoples saving - becuase the overwhelming majority of people have practically none. \nSo an extended lockdown was never feasible unless the government was willing to pay several trillion dollars of expenses, not just 2 or 3 times but several times over.",
">\n\nI didn't dispute any of what you said. I pointed out that most people actively contested any safety measure and most people didn't actually lock down. Any extension will almost certainly be the fault of most of those people. \nI'd gladly let them all die if it meant the few people who did take things seriously didn't have to live through a Walking Dead scenario or have to take a huge financial hit because them.",
">\n\nMost people did lock down just fine initially. After a few weeks turned into a month or more, yeah people got testy.\nAdditionally, a gigantic amount of people work in critical industries and simply cant stay home. Just keeping the lights and water on requires tens of millions of workers, plus industries like plants and refineries that simply cannot shut down without massive long-term consequences.\nReddit is full of office people who can WFH, the vast majority of people cant.",
">\n\nI was one of those who couldn't stay home. Right out of the gate most people gave up on almost all of it except when they were making a show of complying when they had to. There was a lot of cheating. I walk through a lot of different areas. The waves of patients and bodies we got at work tracked with that and became predictable.",
">\n\nWhat’s that saying that ends with ”…doomed to repeat it?”",
">\n\nWhy not just require a negative test from everyone?",
">\n\nWho would you expect to pay for that?",
">\n\nGovernments or sponsors from the private sector ideally, I honestly don’t give a fuck. I’ve gotten many free tests from both and I’ve also bought some for like $8.",
">\n\n“Here we go again” from everyone in the comments. \nThe virus never stopped, we did.",
">\n\nVirus will always be there. Permanent restrictions are unsustainable",
">\n\n3 years later...\nIs this permanent?",
">\n\nI doubt there's anything that would make Republicans running in 2024 happier then Democrats advocating for a return to COVID restrictions.",
">\n\nRight? It’d be like the democrats fighting for gun control, or gay and trans rights, or safe and legal abortions. It would be political suicide to stand for something that Republicans don’t like!",
">\n\nMy understanding is that everything you listed is broadly popular or has at least a majority of American's in favor of it. A return to COVID restrictions is not in that category.",
">\n\nGun control isn’t even universally loved amongst the American left, as the hard left needs them for protection from the hard right they clash with, and the middle left does like having their guns taken as much as any middle right wing does, only mid left likes it",
">\n\nGallup has 57% of Americans feeling that in general gun laws should be more strict.",
">\n\nRegular people want kids to stop dying while in school. The problem is \"stricter laws\" is vague and no one can agree on what it means or give a serious proposal that would work, short of confiscation and bans, which are wildly unpopular.",
">\n\nVague political talking points is the best we’re going to get. Much as I’d love a Ross Perot style of breaking down every platform and promise, the general public doesn’t go for it. Buzz words are all we have the attention span for.",
">\n\nChina's COVID-19 surge raises odds of new coronavirus variants\nThings could get very ugly.",
">\n\nYou say this like covid hasn't been spreading rampantly through literally every country on the planet, mostly without any measures to stop the spread. Why does China get a different treatment and maybe countries should require tests from the US or Inida or Europe?",
">\n\nI agree. US was primarily the culprit of why COVID went rampant to begin with. We actively refused to enforce any sort of safety measures, just a mild suggestion of \"maybe wear a mask, if you want to, it's ok if you don't\" and \"we have vaccines if you want one, no pressure tho\". That was really our response to the world's deadliest pandemic.",
">\n\nWe actively made fun of zero covid approaches on reddit and now based on the comments on this thread we are suddenly pro “zero covid” approaches",
">\n\nEveryone finally watched contagion",
">\n\nSo far my 2023 bingo card is reading alooot of skull and crossbones, I think I might actually win at something next year, what does your score card look like?",
">\n\nWhen’s that $1200 going to hit my account?",
">\n\nI’m still living off mine from last time!",
">\n\nI’m still looking for mine",
">\n\nI’m waiting for that $600 bucks from Biden still, but that’s going right into my retirement!",
">\n\nYou dont get he meant to include any money you already received as well /s",
">\n\nI seem to remember campaign ads with $2000 checks.",
">\n\nYep they explicitly mentioned $2,000 checks.",
">\n\nMy comment was sarcasm but in retrospect there are so many neoliberals saying that word for word in all seriousness that I should and will add a sarcasm tag",
">\n\nThat's nice and all, but let's not act like we're not just ignoring our own COVID problems.",
">\n\n\n\"You don't have zero tolerance anymore? We can't tolerate that.\"\n\n- Country with 100% tolerance",
">\n\nWhy not require a negative COVID test from everyone entering the country? It’s like they don’t want COVID to be under control.",
">\n\nI think this is because China has a relatively low vaccination rate because they relied on lock downs. Now that lock downs are being ramped down, they are having a huge surge.",
">\n\nThe vaccination rate in China is considerably higher than the US (92% vs 81%). This is just another example of yellow peril",
">\n\nThank you for pointing this out. What I said above was wrong about the vaccination rate. I don’t know why exactly China is having a surge. 🤷♂️",
">\n\nTheir vaccination rate is high but their vaccine, SinoVac is based on old tech. It conveys effectively zero protection from variants when compared to all the other types of vaccines on the market.",
">\n\nYou guys are so full of shit. At 3 doses Sinovac gives the same protection as any western vaccine with boosters to help mitigate mutated variants. Stop spreading misinfo.",
">\n\n\"Does that thumbnail of someone getting tested read too much like 'screaming uselessly into the void'?\"\n\"I'm sure it'll be fine.\"",
">\n\nMaybe, just maybe they shouldnt have stopped testing airplane passengers in the first place... \nWe have cheap, readily available tests that take 10 minutes to complete. There’s really no reason not to test ever passenger before boarding...",
">\n\nEveryone I know who had Omicron tested negative until their symptoms cleared. It was evading the RATs, for some reason.",
">\n\nI tested positive on a rapid test two days after getting congested. Every teacher coworker of mine who bothered to test after getting cold symptoms also did. I think it's why so few parents now test their kids before sending time to school sick. They don't want to know so we all find out when we or our family members then test positive, missing work on their sick kids' behalf so they didn't have to. \nI have also heard the rapid test can give false negatives but anecdotal references don't mean much.",
">\n\nA day late and a dollar short. Same old song and dance.",
">\n\nWow, it’s like history literally repeating itself.",
">\n\nIndeed it is. I hope everyone is prepared for what’s next.",
">\n\nWe should require negative COVID tests for people to fly within the US, too.\nIt makes no difference to me if the person who infects me at LAX is coming in from China, or from Texas.",
">\n\nThere is a high chance anyone that comes from China has Covid right now. Low chance that someone inside America has.",
">\n\nNaw. China’s percent is much higher, sure, but it’s not like US infection rates are low. You can pretty much guarantee an infected American on every sold out domestic flight. The latest variants are super, super contagious, and it only takes one infected person to pose a serious risk to the other people sharing their space, and then all of their families and friends after they land. All flights should still require testing and masking at this point, or all we’ve really accomplished is pacifying the dimwits and xenophobes.\nI know at least 3 people who 100% contracted COVID while flying domestically in the US this last month - because they were isolated for the incubation period beforehand. They were masked the entire time they were in the airport and on the plane.",
">\n\nIf they were masked up and I assume vaccinated and still caught the virus then preventable measures like these aren’t that effective.",
">\n\nIs there a new strain of Covid that isn't in the U.S yet, otherwise what's the point.",
">\n\nUm testing should not ever stop.",
">\n\nAh shit here we go again",
">\n\n\"Who left the fridge open?\"",
">\n\nIt's \"just a cold\" unless it's a non-white person from another country carrying it.\n/s",
">\n\nChina implemented an ineffective vaccine and had 30m+ cases in one day. It’s specifically that gov. refusing to use effective vaccines",
">\n\nAnd the United States had effective vaccines that half the country is not willing to nor willing to wear masks, while complaining to other countries like China about their travel restrictions (from China and Hong Kong). And honestly I’m not oppose to a tighter restriction on China while they are experiencing a surge in new cases just as it did with any other countries that initially loosen covid restrictions, what makes me question this being race or politically motivated is the hypocrisy; people complained about China being oppressive when it was enforcing all the covid restrictions and when they loosen it “China doesn’t care about human lives”.\nSo what exactly do you want them to do?",
">\n\n\nto Require Negative Covid Tests for Travelers From China\n\nLuckily China is well known for its systemic unwillingness to fake or counterfeit things, so everything should be fine.\nhonest.",
">\n\nSeems purely retaliatory with no actual effectiveness.\nEnforcement is over a week away and presumably China has hit its peak already (flights being 40% positive)",
">\n\nThe rich rats are going to buy fake tests and jump ship breaking quarantine just like they did in the first wave. Cutting flights or enforcing quarantines is the only way to prevent this stuff from jumping oceans but god forbid anybody inhibit the jet setters.",
">\n\nHALF of the passengers on a plane from China going to Italy tested positive the other day (tested on arrival). Chances are most if not all of them had negative test results they could show that they took before they left. This won't do anything to stop people coming into the US while positive..we are going to have to go through this all over again and we won't have the same somewhat cooperative response in the US this time if it is a variant that evades immunity... It will get REALLY bad.",
">\n\nSeriously they know red states will just let them in and will never do another shut down again. So start dealt with out break countries this way to slow it down or corner it. But I see very very bad days ahead for China and Russia is starting to report out breaks too.",
">\n\nMust. When?",
">\n\nWe already require this from canada iirc\nEdit: i was wrong, canada requires it from us.",
">\n\nI hope we are talking PCR tests... those store-bought 15-minute ones struggle to get a positive if you have any sort of vaccination, even while symptomatic and miserable.",
">\n\nWell, a little bit of good news. I'll take it.",
">\n\nTravel should have been 100$ restricted a long time ago. Travel should be restricted to any country experiencing a COVID outbreak.",
">\n\nWonderful. Another round of Asian hating.",
">\n\nWho's hating on Asians? We're trying to stop this virus from killing people.",
">\n\nor… ban flights from china??",
">\n\nDoesn’t make sense in singling out China when covid is widespread in every single country",
">\n\nThe extent of covid in china atm is just absurd. Two weeks ago, they had 37 MILLION cases in one day. Think about that. Thats more people than a lot of countries! \nsource",
">\n\nI wonder why China has so much trouble with COVID compared to other countries, despite being so strict.",
">\n\nIt’s because they had the zero covid approaches that people are advocating for in this thread and they suddenly reversed course. Everyone in China is getting it so fast its likely the same variants quickly spreading in a population that suddenly reversed course. Having many people getting it over time and exposed to new generations of the virus (which is what happens over time) is more insidious but people here think thats fine",
">\n\nEveryone saying this is racist, do not pay attention to the world",
">\n\nIt was called racist and xenophobic when Trump did it. The left are hypocritical emotional wrecks.",
">\n\nnah trump was racist or did you forget he called it the “china virus” and subsequent hate crimes increased against adians",
">\n\nLet’s not change the subject. We’re talking about testing travelers from China here. Always trying to deflect.",
">\n\nIs that what he did, though? That and nothing else? This is a Fox News headline, but I bet there's a lot more to it. There usually is.\nFYI, Italy is also requiring testing of travelers from China at this time.\nBecause of the high number of cases in China at this time.",
">\n\nSo many dumb replies here. I am sad about where humankind is at.",
">\n\nRound two people",
">\n\nWe need to ramp up testing again at border."
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Sell then the Moderna vaccine so they can treat themselves, ans end this debacle.
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"People from China will travel through Europe and come in to America from the east coast like they did when the pandemic started. This will do nothing if all travelers aboard aren’t made to test.",
">\n\nLet's hope EU and other countries do the same.",
">\n\nI don't know if they will. Australia (for example) had some of the toughest Covid policies and they've essentially just thrown them all out the window.\nSo I don't know how willing countries are to go back to being overly concerned about Covid.",
">\n\nThey should be concerned w chinese, it's spreading like wildfire in china. If we aren't careful, they will come out w covid 20.",
">\n\nIt’s spreading everywhere including the USA. This policy has nothing to do with science or medicine. It’s just politics.",
">\n\nNo. It’s circulating like mad in a population of 1 billion people who haven’t been exposed before. This is how new variants come about. Every country should require negative Covid test for china at least until it cycles through the population",
">\n\n\nNo. It’s circulating like mad in a population of 1 billion people who haven’t been exposed before.\n\nIt's also spreading like mad in all the countries of the world including the USA.\n\nThis is how new variants come about. \n\nAnd they have been for years now.\n\nEvery country should require negative Covid test for china at least until it cycles through the population\n\nOnly for political reasons. There is no scientific or rational demand for this. \nI get it, you hate china, most americans hate china so just be honest and say what you really mean.",
">\n\nStrains are spreading in the west yes, but there are new strains in China that are spreading and we don't know if our vaccines will work with those strains. We know the Chinese vaccines have a low efficacy rate and we know they are not mRNA vaccines which allow for easier adaptation to new strains. Making travelers with a Chinese passport take Covid tests at any and all airports is not racist or even unfair - a reminder that China has been relatively hard to travel to for the last 2 years because they were locked down to foreign travel as well. This is simply good policy from a public health measure, and you not wanting to see that for what it is and instead attribute it to a nascent American hatred for China is laughable. the World Health Organization estimated close to 800 million new cases in China in the next few months, with another estimate 4 million deaths and countless new strains coming out during that period. This is about protection populations, not punishing China.",
">\n\n\nStrains are spreading in the west yes, but there are new strains in China that are spreading and we don't know if our vaccines will work with those strains.\n\nYou don't know if vaccines work against any new variant even if that variant is from a country populated with white people.\n\nWe know the Chinese vaccines have a low efficacy rate and we know they are not mRNA vaccines which allow for easier adaptation to new strains. \n\nThe vaccine doesn't adapt once inside of your body you know that right?\n\nMaking travelers with a Chinese passport take Covid tests at any and all airports is not racist or even unfair \n\nit's definitely unfair and probably racist as well.\n\nhis is simply good policy from a public health measure, a\n\nA good policy would be to require vaccinations from everybody. Think about it, you are requiring a vaccine that you said doesn't even work. How much sense does that make?\n\nattribute it to a nascent American hatred for China is laughable.\n\nNascent?\n\nThis is about protection populations, not punishing China.\n\nIt's definitely about punishing china, it's a part of the current cold war with China conducted by the USA.",
">\n\n\nYou don't know if vaccines work against any new variant even if that variant is from a country populated with white people.\n\nAll the more reason to not invite more new strains into the country. White population or otherwise has nothing to do with it, expected rise in cases in China does.\n\nThe vaccine doesn't adapt once inside of your body you know that right?\n\nYou missed the point. The point i was making was that the Chinese medical system has not even approached Covid with an mRNA vaccine, and steadfastly refused to license western vaccines. If the vaccine most readily available in China has a 50% efficacy then the population is at more risk of contracting the virus and having negative results. The infection rates are increased with each new case of BA.7 (China is currently seeing each covid patient infecting on average 18 other people represented as 1:18, whereas the in US the rate is 1:3.9). Each of these factors increases the risk of developing new strains that are vaccine resistant. \n\nit's definitely unfair and probably racist as well\n\nIs it your position that nations cannot take any prescriptive action to prevent the spread of infected persons from other countries? Again i would remind you that China has basically been locked down for the last 2 years, with severe limitations to personal freedoms themselves. This is not based on race, but rather a government's inability to contain a contagious outbreak in their own country and not wanting it to spread. \n\nA good policy would be to require vaccinations from everybody. Think about it, you are requiring a vaccine that you said doesn't even work. How much sense does that make?\n\nThat might be your definition on good policy, but it isn't mine and that isn't how the west does it. \"I\" am not requiring a vaccine that \"I\" said doesn't work - that was your suggestion not mine. Also, i said the efficacy of the Chinese vaccine is 50% - based on available information - i never said it didn't work, and i never said that it should be mandatory or required.\n\nNascent?\n\nPoor and wrong word choice on my part it seems. What i meant was ascribing the US decision to require testing of Chinese travelers to racism because you believe that the US is racist is laughable. Taking a test to prove that you are covid negative is far less onerous on a traveler than most visa requirements.\n\nIt's definitely about punishing china, it's a part of the current cold war with China conducted by the USA.\n\nCite your sources. I could point to many Chinese government policies that i could say are part of the current cold war with the US without backing it up and it would be just as credible as what you said. Opinion is not a source, and not proof. You assume that the US government is racist, that this policy is racist and yet we have had travel bans imposed on other countries, as well as testing required for travelers from other countries imposed before, and other policies and so has China. For goodness sake China has been closed to foreigners for almost 3 years, and is still closed to foreign travel until January 2023. Is that a racist policy as well?",
">\n\nHere we go again.\nThis time I think I'll learn French cooking.",
">\n\n5000 People a day will have to die before Anybody says the word Lock down in the States ever again.",
">\n\nDon’t understand why people can’t handle staying at home for two weeks when it could potentially eradicate a deadly virus. Are we that weak?",
">\n\nWe did that in large part in March 2020. And did China not spend years locking down their citizens? \nPeoples savings are gone. They need to work. \nWearing a mask would do a lot to help the issue but people aren’t willing to do that anymore.",
">\n\nWe didn't do that though. We didn't all lock down when we were supposed to. Where I work I had to go in from the very start all the way through. Most people, the majority of people, didn't stay home even if they didn't have work. Most people didn't fuck with masks or keeping a distance, and even people who weren't antivaccers didn't take the vaccine seriously for the longest time. \nWe had no fucking lock down, unless you were a well-off celebrity or comedian who wanted to talk about being locked down for content. \nIf people legit locked down, they would have taken a small hit financially, but too many people didn't do shit and prolonged everything.",
">\n\nThe things is that it doesn't take long to drain peoples saving - becuase the overwhelming majority of people have practically none. \nSo an extended lockdown was never feasible unless the government was willing to pay several trillion dollars of expenses, not just 2 or 3 times but several times over.",
">\n\nI didn't dispute any of what you said. I pointed out that most people actively contested any safety measure and most people didn't actually lock down. Any extension will almost certainly be the fault of most of those people. \nI'd gladly let them all die if it meant the few people who did take things seriously didn't have to live through a Walking Dead scenario or have to take a huge financial hit because them.",
">\n\nMost people did lock down just fine initially. After a few weeks turned into a month or more, yeah people got testy.\nAdditionally, a gigantic amount of people work in critical industries and simply cant stay home. Just keeping the lights and water on requires tens of millions of workers, plus industries like plants and refineries that simply cannot shut down without massive long-term consequences.\nReddit is full of office people who can WFH, the vast majority of people cant.",
">\n\nI was one of those who couldn't stay home. Right out of the gate most people gave up on almost all of it except when they were making a show of complying when they had to. There was a lot of cheating. I walk through a lot of different areas. The waves of patients and bodies we got at work tracked with that and became predictable.",
">\n\nWhat’s that saying that ends with ”…doomed to repeat it?”",
">\n\nWhy not just require a negative test from everyone?",
">\n\nWho would you expect to pay for that?",
">\n\nGovernments or sponsors from the private sector ideally, I honestly don’t give a fuck. I’ve gotten many free tests from both and I’ve also bought some for like $8.",
">\n\n“Here we go again” from everyone in the comments. \nThe virus never stopped, we did.",
">\n\nVirus will always be there. Permanent restrictions are unsustainable",
">\n\n3 years later...\nIs this permanent?",
">\n\nI doubt there's anything that would make Republicans running in 2024 happier then Democrats advocating for a return to COVID restrictions.",
">\n\nRight? It’d be like the democrats fighting for gun control, or gay and trans rights, or safe and legal abortions. It would be political suicide to stand for something that Republicans don’t like!",
">\n\nMy understanding is that everything you listed is broadly popular or has at least a majority of American's in favor of it. A return to COVID restrictions is not in that category.",
">\n\nGun control isn’t even universally loved amongst the American left, as the hard left needs them for protection from the hard right they clash with, and the middle left does like having their guns taken as much as any middle right wing does, only mid left likes it",
">\n\nGallup has 57% of Americans feeling that in general gun laws should be more strict.",
">\n\nRegular people want kids to stop dying while in school. The problem is \"stricter laws\" is vague and no one can agree on what it means or give a serious proposal that would work, short of confiscation and bans, which are wildly unpopular.",
">\n\nVague political talking points is the best we’re going to get. Much as I’d love a Ross Perot style of breaking down every platform and promise, the general public doesn’t go for it. Buzz words are all we have the attention span for.",
">\n\nChina's COVID-19 surge raises odds of new coronavirus variants\nThings could get very ugly.",
">\n\nYou say this like covid hasn't been spreading rampantly through literally every country on the planet, mostly without any measures to stop the spread. Why does China get a different treatment and maybe countries should require tests from the US or Inida or Europe?",
">\n\nI agree. US was primarily the culprit of why COVID went rampant to begin with. We actively refused to enforce any sort of safety measures, just a mild suggestion of \"maybe wear a mask, if you want to, it's ok if you don't\" and \"we have vaccines if you want one, no pressure tho\". That was really our response to the world's deadliest pandemic.",
">\n\nWe actively made fun of zero covid approaches on reddit and now based on the comments on this thread we are suddenly pro “zero covid” approaches",
">\n\nEveryone finally watched contagion",
">\n\nSo far my 2023 bingo card is reading alooot of skull and crossbones, I think I might actually win at something next year, what does your score card look like?",
">\n\nWhen’s that $1200 going to hit my account?",
">\n\nI’m still living off mine from last time!",
">\n\nI’m still looking for mine",
">\n\nI’m waiting for that $600 bucks from Biden still, but that’s going right into my retirement!",
">\n\nYou dont get he meant to include any money you already received as well /s",
">\n\nI seem to remember campaign ads with $2000 checks.",
">\n\nYep they explicitly mentioned $2,000 checks.",
">\n\nMy comment was sarcasm but in retrospect there are so many neoliberals saying that word for word in all seriousness that I should and will add a sarcasm tag",
">\n\nThat's nice and all, but let's not act like we're not just ignoring our own COVID problems.",
">\n\n\n\"You don't have zero tolerance anymore? We can't tolerate that.\"\n\n- Country with 100% tolerance",
">\n\nWhy not require a negative COVID test from everyone entering the country? It’s like they don’t want COVID to be under control.",
">\n\nI think this is because China has a relatively low vaccination rate because they relied on lock downs. Now that lock downs are being ramped down, they are having a huge surge.",
">\n\nThe vaccination rate in China is considerably higher than the US (92% vs 81%). This is just another example of yellow peril",
">\n\nThank you for pointing this out. What I said above was wrong about the vaccination rate. I don’t know why exactly China is having a surge. 🤷♂️",
">\n\nTheir vaccination rate is high but their vaccine, SinoVac is based on old tech. It conveys effectively zero protection from variants when compared to all the other types of vaccines on the market.",
">\n\nYou guys are so full of shit. At 3 doses Sinovac gives the same protection as any western vaccine with boosters to help mitigate mutated variants. Stop spreading misinfo.",
">\n\n\"Does that thumbnail of someone getting tested read too much like 'screaming uselessly into the void'?\"\n\"I'm sure it'll be fine.\"",
">\n\nMaybe, just maybe they shouldnt have stopped testing airplane passengers in the first place... \nWe have cheap, readily available tests that take 10 minutes to complete. There’s really no reason not to test ever passenger before boarding...",
">\n\nEveryone I know who had Omicron tested negative until their symptoms cleared. It was evading the RATs, for some reason.",
">\n\nI tested positive on a rapid test two days after getting congested. Every teacher coworker of mine who bothered to test after getting cold symptoms also did. I think it's why so few parents now test their kids before sending time to school sick. They don't want to know so we all find out when we or our family members then test positive, missing work on their sick kids' behalf so they didn't have to. \nI have also heard the rapid test can give false negatives but anecdotal references don't mean much.",
">\n\nA day late and a dollar short. Same old song and dance.",
">\n\nWow, it’s like history literally repeating itself.",
">\n\nIndeed it is. I hope everyone is prepared for what’s next.",
">\n\nWe should require negative COVID tests for people to fly within the US, too.\nIt makes no difference to me if the person who infects me at LAX is coming in from China, or from Texas.",
">\n\nThere is a high chance anyone that comes from China has Covid right now. Low chance that someone inside America has.",
">\n\nNaw. China’s percent is much higher, sure, but it’s not like US infection rates are low. You can pretty much guarantee an infected American on every sold out domestic flight. The latest variants are super, super contagious, and it only takes one infected person to pose a serious risk to the other people sharing their space, and then all of their families and friends after they land. All flights should still require testing and masking at this point, or all we’ve really accomplished is pacifying the dimwits and xenophobes.\nI know at least 3 people who 100% contracted COVID while flying domestically in the US this last month - because they were isolated for the incubation period beforehand. They were masked the entire time they were in the airport and on the plane.",
">\n\nIf they were masked up and I assume vaccinated and still caught the virus then preventable measures like these aren’t that effective.",
">\n\nIs there a new strain of Covid that isn't in the U.S yet, otherwise what's the point.",
">\n\nUm testing should not ever stop.",
">\n\nAh shit here we go again",
">\n\n\"Who left the fridge open?\"",
">\n\nIt's \"just a cold\" unless it's a non-white person from another country carrying it.\n/s",
">\n\nChina implemented an ineffective vaccine and had 30m+ cases in one day. It’s specifically that gov. refusing to use effective vaccines",
">\n\nAnd the United States had effective vaccines that half the country is not willing to nor willing to wear masks, while complaining to other countries like China about their travel restrictions (from China and Hong Kong). And honestly I’m not oppose to a tighter restriction on China while they are experiencing a surge in new cases just as it did with any other countries that initially loosen covid restrictions, what makes me question this being race or politically motivated is the hypocrisy; people complained about China being oppressive when it was enforcing all the covid restrictions and when they loosen it “China doesn’t care about human lives”.\nSo what exactly do you want them to do?",
">\n\n\nto Require Negative Covid Tests for Travelers From China\n\nLuckily China is well known for its systemic unwillingness to fake or counterfeit things, so everything should be fine.\nhonest.",
">\n\nSeems purely retaliatory with no actual effectiveness.\nEnforcement is over a week away and presumably China has hit its peak already (flights being 40% positive)",
">\n\nThe rich rats are going to buy fake tests and jump ship breaking quarantine just like they did in the first wave. Cutting flights or enforcing quarantines is the only way to prevent this stuff from jumping oceans but god forbid anybody inhibit the jet setters.",
">\n\nHALF of the passengers on a plane from China going to Italy tested positive the other day (tested on arrival). Chances are most if not all of them had negative test results they could show that they took before they left. This won't do anything to stop people coming into the US while positive..we are going to have to go through this all over again and we won't have the same somewhat cooperative response in the US this time if it is a variant that evades immunity... It will get REALLY bad.",
">\n\nSeriously they know red states will just let them in and will never do another shut down again. So start dealt with out break countries this way to slow it down or corner it. But I see very very bad days ahead for China and Russia is starting to report out breaks too.",
">\n\nMust. When?",
">\n\nWe already require this from canada iirc\nEdit: i was wrong, canada requires it from us.",
">\n\nI hope we are talking PCR tests... those store-bought 15-minute ones struggle to get a positive if you have any sort of vaccination, even while symptomatic and miserable.",
">\n\nWell, a little bit of good news. I'll take it.",
">\n\nTravel should have been 100$ restricted a long time ago. Travel should be restricted to any country experiencing a COVID outbreak.",
">\n\nWonderful. Another round of Asian hating.",
">\n\nWho's hating on Asians? We're trying to stop this virus from killing people.",
">\n\nor… ban flights from china??",
">\n\nDoesn’t make sense in singling out China when covid is widespread in every single country",
">\n\nThe extent of covid in china atm is just absurd. Two weeks ago, they had 37 MILLION cases in one day. Think about that. Thats more people than a lot of countries! \nsource",
">\n\nI wonder why China has so much trouble with COVID compared to other countries, despite being so strict.",
">\n\nIt’s because they had the zero covid approaches that people are advocating for in this thread and they suddenly reversed course. Everyone in China is getting it so fast its likely the same variants quickly spreading in a population that suddenly reversed course. Having many people getting it over time and exposed to new generations of the virus (which is what happens over time) is more insidious but people here think thats fine",
">\n\nEveryone saying this is racist, do not pay attention to the world",
">\n\nIt was called racist and xenophobic when Trump did it. The left are hypocritical emotional wrecks.",
">\n\nnah trump was racist or did you forget he called it the “china virus” and subsequent hate crimes increased against adians",
">\n\nLet’s not change the subject. We’re talking about testing travelers from China here. Always trying to deflect.",
">\n\nIs that what he did, though? That and nothing else? This is a Fox News headline, but I bet there's a lot more to it. There usually is.\nFYI, Italy is also requiring testing of travelers from China at this time.\nBecause of the high number of cases in China at this time.",
">\n\nSo many dumb replies here. I am sad about where humankind is at.",
">\n\nRound two people",
">\n\nWe need to ramp up testing again at border.",
">\n\nChina trying to stop Covid…lol! Fail miserably at that, build a huge infected population, then unleash it on the world. Great job China /s"
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Even if US send Moderna and Phizer vaccine, China will not use it, because they boast about "superior" Chinese vaccine and don't want to lose face.
Until they change their attitude, I suggest keeping restriction in place for PRC travelers.
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"People from China will travel through Europe and come in to America from the east coast like they did when the pandemic started. This will do nothing if all travelers aboard aren’t made to test.",
">\n\nLet's hope EU and other countries do the same.",
">\n\nI don't know if they will. Australia (for example) had some of the toughest Covid policies and they've essentially just thrown them all out the window.\nSo I don't know how willing countries are to go back to being overly concerned about Covid.",
">\n\nThey should be concerned w chinese, it's spreading like wildfire in china. If we aren't careful, they will come out w covid 20.",
">\n\nIt’s spreading everywhere including the USA. This policy has nothing to do with science or medicine. It’s just politics.",
">\n\nNo. It’s circulating like mad in a population of 1 billion people who haven’t been exposed before. This is how new variants come about. Every country should require negative Covid test for china at least until it cycles through the population",
">\n\n\nNo. It’s circulating like mad in a population of 1 billion people who haven’t been exposed before.\n\nIt's also spreading like mad in all the countries of the world including the USA.\n\nThis is how new variants come about. \n\nAnd they have been for years now.\n\nEvery country should require negative Covid test for china at least until it cycles through the population\n\nOnly for political reasons. There is no scientific or rational demand for this. \nI get it, you hate china, most americans hate china so just be honest and say what you really mean.",
">\n\nStrains are spreading in the west yes, but there are new strains in China that are spreading and we don't know if our vaccines will work with those strains. We know the Chinese vaccines have a low efficacy rate and we know they are not mRNA vaccines which allow for easier adaptation to new strains. Making travelers with a Chinese passport take Covid tests at any and all airports is not racist or even unfair - a reminder that China has been relatively hard to travel to for the last 2 years because they were locked down to foreign travel as well. This is simply good policy from a public health measure, and you not wanting to see that for what it is and instead attribute it to a nascent American hatred for China is laughable. the World Health Organization estimated close to 800 million new cases in China in the next few months, with another estimate 4 million deaths and countless new strains coming out during that period. This is about protection populations, not punishing China.",
">\n\n\nStrains are spreading in the west yes, but there are new strains in China that are spreading and we don't know if our vaccines will work with those strains.\n\nYou don't know if vaccines work against any new variant even if that variant is from a country populated with white people.\n\nWe know the Chinese vaccines have a low efficacy rate and we know they are not mRNA vaccines which allow for easier adaptation to new strains. \n\nThe vaccine doesn't adapt once inside of your body you know that right?\n\nMaking travelers with a Chinese passport take Covid tests at any and all airports is not racist or even unfair \n\nit's definitely unfair and probably racist as well.\n\nhis is simply good policy from a public health measure, a\n\nA good policy would be to require vaccinations from everybody. Think about it, you are requiring a vaccine that you said doesn't even work. How much sense does that make?\n\nattribute it to a nascent American hatred for China is laughable.\n\nNascent?\n\nThis is about protection populations, not punishing China.\n\nIt's definitely about punishing china, it's a part of the current cold war with China conducted by the USA.",
">\n\n\nYou don't know if vaccines work against any new variant even if that variant is from a country populated with white people.\n\nAll the more reason to not invite more new strains into the country. White population or otherwise has nothing to do with it, expected rise in cases in China does.\n\nThe vaccine doesn't adapt once inside of your body you know that right?\n\nYou missed the point. The point i was making was that the Chinese medical system has not even approached Covid with an mRNA vaccine, and steadfastly refused to license western vaccines. If the vaccine most readily available in China has a 50% efficacy then the population is at more risk of contracting the virus and having negative results. The infection rates are increased with each new case of BA.7 (China is currently seeing each covid patient infecting on average 18 other people represented as 1:18, whereas the in US the rate is 1:3.9). Each of these factors increases the risk of developing new strains that are vaccine resistant. \n\nit's definitely unfair and probably racist as well\n\nIs it your position that nations cannot take any prescriptive action to prevent the spread of infected persons from other countries? Again i would remind you that China has basically been locked down for the last 2 years, with severe limitations to personal freedoms themselves. This is not based on race, but rather a government's inability to contain a contagious outbreak in their own country and not wanting it to spread. \n\nA good policy would be to require vaccinations from everybody. Think about it, you are requiring a vaccine that you said doesn't even work. How much sense does that make?\n\nThat might be your definition on good policy, but it isn't mine and that isn't how the west does it. \"I\" am not requiring a vaccine that \"I\" said doesn't work - that was your suggestion not mine. Also, i said the efficacy of the Chinese vaccine is 50% - based on available information - i never said it didn't work, and i never said that it should be mandatory or required.\n\nNascent?\n\nPoor and wrong word choice on my part it seems. What i meant was ascribing the US decision to require testing of Chinese travelers to racism because you believe that the US is racist is laughable. Taking a test to prove that you are covid negative is far less onerous on a traveler than most visa requirements.\n\nIt's definitely about punishing china, it's a part of the current cold war with China conducted by the USA.\n\nCite your sources. I could point to many Chinese government policies that i could say are part of the current cold war with the US without backing it up and it would be just as credible as what you said. Opinion is not a source, and not proof. You assume that the US government is racist, that this policy is racist and yet we have had travel bans imposed on other countries, as well as testing required for travelers from other countries imposed before, and other policies and so has China. For goodness sake China has been closed to foreigners for almost 3 years, and is still closed to foreign travel until January 2023. Is that a racist policy as well?",
">\n\nHere we go again.\nThis time I think I'll learn French cooking.",
">\n\n5000 People a day will have to die before Anybody says the word Lock down in the States ever again.",
">\n\nDon’t understand why people can’t handle staying at home for two weeks when it could potentially eradicate a deadly virus. Are we that weak?",
">\n\nWe did that in large part in March 2020. And did China not spend years locking down their citizens? \nPeoples savings are gone. They need to work. \nWearing a mask would do a lot to help the issue but people aren’t willing to do that anymore.",
">\n\nWe didn't do that though. We didn't all lock down when we were supposed to. Where I work I had to go in from the very start all the way through. Most people, the majority of people, didn't stay home even if they didn't have work. Most people didn't fuck with masks or keeping a distance, and even people who weren't antivaccers didn't take the vaccine seriously for the longest time. \nWe had no fucking lock down, unless you were a well-off celebrity or comedian who wanted to talk about being locked down for content. \nIf people legit locked down, they would have taken a small hit financially, but too many people didn't do shit and prolonged everything.",
">\n\nThe things is that it doesn't take long to drain peoples saving - becuase the overwhelming majority of people have practically none. \nSo an extended lockdown was never feasible unless the government was willing to pay several trillion dollars of expenses, not just 2 or 3 times but several times over.",
">\n\nI didn't dispute any of what you said. I pointed out that most people actively contested any safety measure and most people didn't actually lock down. Any extension will almost certainly be the fault of most of those people. \nI'd gladly let them all die if it meant the few people who did take things seriously didn't have to live through a Walking Dead scenario or have to take a huge financial hit because them.",
">\n\nMost people did lock down just fine initially. After a few weeks turned into a month or more, yeah people got testy.\nAdditionally, a gigantic amount of people work in critical industries and simply cant stay home. Just keeping the lights and water on requires tens of millions of workers, plus industries like plants and refineries that simply cannot shut down without massive long-term consequences.\nReddit is full of office people who can WFH, the vast majority of people cant.",
">\n\nI was one of those who couldn't stay home. Right out of the gate most people gave up on almost all of it except when they were making a show of complying when they had to. There was a lot of cheating. I walk through a lot of different areas. The waves of patients and bodies we got at work tracked with that and became predictable.",
">\n\nWhat’s that saying that ends with ”…doomed to repeat it?”",
">\n\nWhy not just require a negative test from everyone?",
">\n\nWho would you expect to pay for that?",
">\n\nGovernments or sponsors from the private sector ideally, I honestly don’t give a fuck. I’ve gotten many free tests from both and I’ve also bought some for like $8.",
">\n\n“Here we go again” from everyone in the comments. \nThe virus never stopped, we did.",
">\n\nVirus will always be there. Permanent restrictions are unsustainable",
">\n\n3 years later...\nIs this permanent?",
">\n\nI doubt there's anything that would make Republicans running in 2024 happier then Democrats advocating for a return to COVID restrictions.",
">\n\nRight? It’d be like the democrats fighting for gun control, or gay and trans rights, or safe and legal abortions. It would be political suicide to stand for something that Republicans don’t like!",
">\n\nMy understanding is that everything you listed is broadly popular or has at least a majority of American's in favor of it. A return to COVID restrictions is not in that category.",
">\n\nGun control isn’t even universally loved amongst the American left, as the hard left needs them for protection from the hard right they clash with, and the middle left does like having their guns taken as much as any middle right wing does, only mid left likes it",
">\n\nGallup has 57% of Americans feeling that in general gun laws should be more strict.",
">\n\nRegular people want kids to stop dying while in school. The problem is \"stricter laws\" is vague and no one can agree on what it means or give a serious proposal that would work, short of confiscation and bans, which are wildly unpopular.",
">\n\nVague political talking points is the best we’re going to get. Much as I’d love a Ross Perot style of breaking down every platform and promise, the general public doesn’t go for it. Buzz words are all we have the attention span for.",
">\n\nChina's COVID-19 surge raises odds of new coronavirus variants\nThings could get very ugly.",
">\n\nYou say this like covid hasn't been spreading rampantly through literally every country on the planet, mostly without any measures to stop the spread. Why does China get a different treatment and maybe countries should require tests from the US or Inida or Europe?",
">\n\nI agree. US was primarily the culprit of why COVID went rampant to begin with. We actively refused to enforce any sort of safety measures, just a mild suggestion of \"maybe wear a mask, if you want to, it's ok if you don't\" and \"we have vaccines if you want one, no pressure tho\". That was really our response to the world's deadliest pandemic.",
">\n\nWe actively made fun of zero covid approaches on reddit and now based on the comments on this thread we are suddenly pro “zero covid” approaches",
">\n\nEveryone finally watched contagion",
">\n\nSo far my 2023 bingo card is reading alooot of skull and crossbones, I think I might actually win at something next year, what does your score card look like?",
">\n\nWhen’s that $1200 going to hit my account?",
">\n\nI’m still living off mine from last time!",
">\n\nI’m still looking for mine",
">\n\nI’m waiting for that $600 bucks from Biden still, but that’s going right into my retirement!",
">\n\nYou dont get he meant to include any money you already received as well /s",
">\n\nI seem to remember campaign ads with $2000 checks.",
">\n\nYep they explicitly mentioned $2,000 checks.",
">\n\nMy comment was sarcasm but in retrospect there are so many neoliberals saying that word for word in all seriousness that I should and will add a sarcasm tag",
">\n\nThat's nice and all, but let's not act like we're not just ignoring our own COVID problems.",
">\n\n\n\"You don't have zero tolerance anymore? We can't tolerate that.\"\n\n- Country with 100% tolerance",
">\n\nWhy not require a negative COVID test from everyone entering the country? It’s like they don’t want COVID to be under control.",
">\n\nI think this is because China has a relatively low vaccination rate because they relied on lock downs. Now that lock downs are being ramped down, they are having a huge surge.",
">\n\nThe vaccination rate in China is considerably higher than the US (92% vs 81%). This is just another example of yellow peril",
">\n\nThank you for pointing this out. What I said above was wrong about the vaccination rate. I don’t know why exactly China is having a surge. 🤷♂️",
">\n\nTheir vaccination rate is high but their vaccine, SinoVac is based on old tech. It conveys effectively zero protection from variants when compared to all the other types of vaccines on the market.",
">\n\nYou guys are so full of shit. At 3 doses Sinovac gives the same protection as any western vaccine with boosters to help mitigate mutated variants. Stop spreading misinfo.",
">\n\n\"Does that thumbnail of someone getting tested read too much like 'screaming uselessly into the void'?\"\n\"I'm sure it'll be fine.\"",
">\n\nMaybe, just maybe they shouldnt have stopped testing airplane passengers in the first place... \nWe have cheap, readily available tests that take 10 minutes to complete. There’s really no reason not to test ever passenger before boarding...",
">\n\nEveryone I know who had Omicron tested negative until their symptoms cleared. It was evading the RATs, for some reason.",
">\n\nI tested positive on a rapid test two days after getting congested. Every teacher coworker of mine who bothered to test after getting cold symptoms also did. I think it's why so few parents now test their kids before sending time to school sick. They don't want to know so we all find out when we or our family members then test positive, missing work on their sick kids' behalf so they didn't have to. \nI have also heard the rapid test can give false negatives but anecdotal references don't mean much.",
">\n\nA day late and a dollar short. Same old song and dance.",
">\n\nWow, it’s like history literally repeating itself.",
">\n\nIndeed it is. I hope everyone is prepared for what’s next.",
">\n\nWe should require negative COVID tests for people to fly within the US, too.\nIt makes no difference to me if the person who infects me at LAX is coming in from China, or from Texas.",
">\n\nThere is a high chance anyone that comes from China has Covid right now. Low chance that someone inside America has.",
">\n\nNaw. China’s percent is much higher, sure, but it’s not like US infection rates are low. You can pretty much guarantee an infected American on every sold out domestic flight. The latest variants are super, super contagious, and it only takes one infected person to pose a serious risk to the other people sharing their space, and then all of their families and friends after they land. All flights should still require testing and masking at this point, or all we’ve really accomplished is pacifying the dimwits and xenophobes.\nI know at least 3 people who 100% contracted COVID while flying domestically in the US this last month - because they were isolated for the incubation period beforehand. They were masked the entire time they were in the airport and on the plane.",
">\n\nIf they were masked up and I assume vaccinated and still caught the virus then preventable measures like these aren’t that effective.",
">\n\nIs there a new strain of Covid that isn't in the U.S yet, otherwise what's the point.",
">\n\nUm testing should not ever stop.",
">\n\nAh shit here we go again",
">\n\n\"Who left the fridge open?\"",
">\n\nIt's \"just a cold\" unless it's a non-white person from another country carrying it.\n/s",
">\n\nChina implemented an ineffective vaccine and had 30m+ cases in one day. It’s specifically that gov. refusing to use effective vaccines",
">\n\nAnd the United States had effective vaccines that half the country is not willing to nor willing to wear masks, while complaining to other countries like China about their travel restrictions (from China and Hong Kong). And honestly I’m not oppose to a tighter restriction on China while they are experiencing a surge in new cases just as it did with any other countries that initially loosen covid restrictions, what makes me question this being race or politically motivated is the hypocrisy; people complained about China being oppressive when it was enforcing all the covid restrictions and when they loosen it “China doesn’t care about human lives”.\nSo what exactly do you want them to do?",
">\n\n\nto Require Negative Covid Tests for Travelers From China\n\nLuckily China is well known for its systemic unwillingness to fake or counterfeit things, so everything should be fine.\nhonest.",
">\n\nSeems purely retaliatory with no actual effectiveness.\nEnforcement is over a week away and presumably China has hit its peak already (flights being 40% positive)",
">\n\nThe rich rats are going to buy fake tests and jump ship breaking quarantine just like they did in the first wave. Cutting flights or enforcing quarantines is the only way to prevent this stuff from jumping oceans but god forbid anybody inhibit the jet setters.",
">\n\nHALF of the passengers on a plane from China going to Italy tested positive the other day (tested on arrival). Chances are most if not all of them had negative test results they could show that they took before they left. This won't do anything to stop people coming into the US while positive..we are going to have to go through this all over again and we won't have the same somewhat cooperative response in the US this time if it is a variant that evades immunity... It will get REALLY bad.",
">\n\nSeriously they know red states will just let them in and will never do another shut down again. So start dealt with out break countries this way to slow it down or corner it. But I see very very bad days ahead for China and Russia is starting to report out breaks too.",
">\n\nMust. When?",
">\n\nWe already require this from canada iirc\nEdit: i was wrong, canada requires it from us.",
">\n\nI hope we are talking PCR tests... those store-bought 15-minute ones struggle to get a positive if you have any sort of vaccination, even while symptomatic and miserable.",
">\n\nWell, a little bit of good news. I'll take it.",
">\n\nTravel should have been 100$ restricted a long time ago. Travel should be restricted to any country experiencing a COVID outbreak.",
">\n\nWonderful. Another round of Asian hating.",
">\n\nWho's hating on Asians? We're trying to stop this virus from killing people.",
">\n\nor… ban flights from china??",
">\n\nDoesn’t make sense in singling out China when covid is widespread in every single country",
">\n\nThe extent of covid in china atm is just absurd. Two weeks ago, they had 37 MILLION cases in one day. Think about that. Thats more people than a lot of countries! \nsource",
">\n\nI wonder why China has so much trouble with COVID compared to other countries, despite being so strict.",
">\n\nIt’s because they had the zero covid approaches that people are advocating for in this thread and they suddenly reversed course. Everyone in China is getting it so fast its likely the same variants quickly spreading in a population that suddenly reversed course. Having many people getting it over time and exposed to new generations of the virus (which is what happens over time) is more insidious but people here think thats fine",
">\n\nEveryone saying this is racist, do not pay attention to the world",
">\n\nIt was called racist and xenophobic when Trump did it. The left are hypocritical emotional wrecks.",
">\n\nnah trump was racist or did you forget he called it the “china virus” and subsequent hate crimes increased against adians",
">\n\nLet’s not change the subject. We’re talking about testing travelers from China here. Always trying to deflect.",
">\n\nIs that what he did, though? That and nothing else? This is a Fox News headline, but I bet there's a lot more to it. There usually is.\nFYI, Italy is also requiring testing of travelers from China at this time.\nBecause of the high number of cases in China at this time.",
">\n\nSo many dumb replies here. I am sad about where humankind is at.",
">\n\nRound two people",
">\n\nWe need to ramp up testing again at border.",
">\n\nChina trying to stop Covid…lol! Fail miserably at that, build a huge infected population, then unleash it on the world. Great job China /s",
">\n\nSell then the Moderna vaccine so they can treat themselves, ans end this debacle."
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"People from China will travel through Europe and come in to America from the east coast like they did when the pandemic started. This will do nothing if all travelers aboard aren’t made to test.",
">\n\nLet's hope EU and other countries do the same.",
">\n\nI don't know if they will. Australia (for example) had some of the toughest Covid policies and they've essentially just thrown them all out the window.\nSo I don't know how willing countries are to go back to being overly concerned about Covid.",
">\n\nThey should be concerned w chinese, it's spreading like wildfire in china. If we aren't careful, they will come out w covid 20.",
">\n\nIt’s spreading everywhere including the USA. This policy has nothing to do with science or medicine. It’s just politics.",
">\n\nNo. It’s circulating like mad in a population of 1 billion people who haven’t been exposed before. This is how new variants come about. Every country should require negative Covid test for china at least until it cycles through the population",
">\n\n\nNo. It’s circulating like mad in a population of 1 billion people who haven’t been exposed before.\n\nIt's also spreading like mad in all the countries of the world including the USA.\n\nThis is how new variants come about. \n\nAnd they have been for years now.\n\nEvery country should require negative Covid test for china at least until it cycles through the population\n\nOnly for political reasons. There is no scientific or rational demand for this. \nI get it, you hate china, most americans hate china so just be honest and say what you really mean.",
">\n\nStrains are spreading in the west yes, but there are new strains in China that are spreading and we don't know if our vaccines will work with those strains. We know the Chinese vaccines have a low efficacy rate and we know they are not mRNA vaccines which allow for easier adaptation to new strains. Making travelers with a Chinese passport take Covid tests at any and all airports is not racist or even unfair - a reminder that China has been relatively hard to travel to for the last 2 years because they were locked down to foreign travel as well. This is simply good policy from a public health measure, and you not wanting to see that for what it is and instead attribute it to a nascent American hatred for China is laughable. the World Health Organization estimated close to 800 million new cases in China in the next few months, with another estimate 4 million deaths and countless new strains coming out during that period. This is about protection populations, not punishing China.",
">\n\n\nStrains are spreading in the west yes, but there are new strains in China that are spreading and we don't know if our vaccines will work with those strains.\n\nYou don't know if vaccines work against any new variant even if that variant is from a country populated with white people.\n\nWe know the Chinese vaccines have a low efficacy rate and we know they are not mRNA vaccines which allow for easier adaptation to new strains. \n\nThe vaccine doesn't adapt once inside of your body you know that right?\n\nMaking travelers with a Chinese passport take Covid tests at any and all airports is not racist or even unfair \n\nit's definitely unfair and probably racist as well.\n\nhis is simply good policy from a public health measure, a\n\nA good policy would be to require vaccinations from everybody. Think about it, you are requiring a vaccine that you said doesn't even work. How much sense does that make?\n\nattribute it to a nascent American hatred for China is laughable.\n\nNascent?\n\nThis is about protection populations, not punishing China.\n\nIt's definitely about punishing china, it's a part of the current cold war with China conducted by the USA.",
">\n\n\nYou don't know if vaccines work against any new variant even if that variant is from a country populated with white people.\n\nAll the more reason to not invite more new strains into the country. White population or otherwise has nothing to do with it, expected rise in cases in China does.\n\nThe vaccine doesn't adapt once inside of your body you know that right?\n\nYou missed the point. The point i was making was that the Chinese medical system has not even approached Covid with an mRNA vaccine, and steadfastly refused to license western vaccines. If the vaccine most readily available in China has a 50% efficacy then the population is at more risk of contracting the virus and having negative results. The infection rates are increased with each new case of BA.7 (China is currently seeing each covid patient infecting on average 18 other people represented as 1:18, whereas the in US the rate is 1:3.9). Each of these factors increases the risk of developing new strains that are vaccine resistant. \n\nit's definitely unfair and probably racist as well\n\nIs it your position that nations cannot take any prescriptive action to prevent the spread of infected persons from other countries? Again i would remind you that China has basically been locked down for the last 2 years, with severe limitations to personal freedoms themselves. This is not based on race, but rather a government's inability to contain a contagious outbreak in their own country and not wanting it to spread. \n\nA good policy would be to require vaccinations from everybody. Think about it, you are requiring a vaccine that you said doesn't even work. How much sense does that make?\n\nThat might be your definition on good policy, but it isn't mine and that isn't how the west does it. \"I\" am not requiring a vaccine that \"I\" said doesn't work - that was your suggestion not mine. Also, i said the efficacy of the Chinese vaccine is 50% - based on available information - i never said it didn't work, and i never said that it should be mandatory or required.\n\nNascent?\n\nPoor and wrong word choice on my part it seems. What i meant was ascribing the US decision to require testing of Chinese travelers to racism because you believe that the US is racist is laughable. Taking a test to prove that you are covid negative is far less onerous on a traveler than most visa requirements.\n\nIt's definitely about punishing china, it's a part of the current cold war with China conducted by the USA.\n\nCite your sources. I could point to many Chinese government policies that i could say are part of the current cold war with the US without backing it up and it would be just as credible as what you said. Opinion is not a source, and not proof. You assume that the US government is racist, that this policy is racist and yet we have had travel bans imposed on other countries, as well as testing required for travelers from other countries imposed before, and other policies and so has China. For goodness sake China has been closed to foreigners for almost 3 years, and is still closed to foreign travel until January 2023. Is that a racist policy as well?",
">\n\nHere we go again.\nThis time I think I'll learn French cooking.",
">\n\n5000 People a day will have to die before Anybody says the word Lock down in the States ever again.",
">\n\nDon’t understand why people can’t handle staying at home for two weeks when it could potentially eradicate a deadly virus. Are we that weak?",
">\n\nWe did that in large part in March 2020. And did China not spend years locking down their citizens? \nPeoples savings are gone. They need to work. \nWearing a mask would do a lot to help the issue but people aren’t willing to do that anymore.",
">\n\nWe didn't do that though. We didn't all lock down when we were supposed to. Where I work I had to go in from the very start all the way through. Most people, the majority of people, didn't stay home even if they didn't have work. Most people didn't fuck with masks or keeping a distance, and even people who weren't antivaccers didn't take the vaccine seriously for the longest time. \nWe had no fucking lock down, unless you were a well-off celebrity or comedian who wanted to talk about being locked down for content. \nIf people legit locked down, they would have taken a small hit financially, but too many people didn't do shit and prolonged everything.",
">\n\nThe things is that it doesn't take long to drain peoples saving - becuase the overwhelming majority of people have practically none. \nSo an extended lockdown was never feasible unless the government was willing to pay several trillion dollars of expenses, not just 2 or 3 times but several times over.",
">\n\nI didn't dispute any of what you said. I pointed out that most people actively contested any safety measure and most people didn't actually lock down. Any extension will almost certainly be the fault of most of those people. \nI'd gladly let them all die if it meant the few people who did take things seriously didn't have to live through a Walking Dead scenario or have to take a huge financial hit because them.",
">\n\nMost people did lock down just fine initially. After a few weeks turned into a month or more, yeah people got testy.\nAdditionally, a gigantic amount of people work in critical industries and simply cant stay home. Just keeping the lights and water on requires tens of millions of workers, plus industries like plants and refineries that simply cannot shut down without massive long-term consequences.\nReddit is full of office people who can WFH, the vast majority of people cant.",
">\n\nI was one of those who couldn't stay home. Right out of the gate most people gave up on almost all of it except when they were making a show of complying when they had to. There was a lot of cheating. I walk through a lot of different areas. The waves of patients and bodies we got at work tracked with that and became predictable.",
">\n\nWhat’s that saying that ends with ”…doomed to repeat it?”",
">\n\nWhy not just require a negative test from everyone?",
">\n\nWho would you expect to pay for that?",
">\n\nGovernments or sponsors from the private sector ideally, I honestly don’t give a fuck. I’ve gotten many free tests from both and I’ve also bought some for like $8.",
">\n\n“Here we go again” from everyone in the comments. \nThe virus never stopped, we did.",
">\n\nVirus will always be there. Permanent restrictions are unsustainable",
">\n\n3 years later...\nIs this permanent?",
">\n\nI doubt there's anything that would make Republicans running in 2024 happier then Democrats advocating for a return to COVID restrictions.",
">\n\nRight? It’d be like the democrats fighting for gun control, or gay and trans rights, or safe and legal abortions. It would be political suicide to stand for something that Republicans don’t like!",
">\n\nMy understanding is that everything you listed is broadly popular or has at least a majority of American's in favor of it. A return to COVID restrictions is not in that category.",
">\n\nGun control isn’t even universally loved amongst the American left, as the hard left needs them for protection from the hard right they clash with, and the middle left does like having their guns taken as much as any middle right wing does, only mid left likes it",
">\n\nGallup has 57% of Americans feeling that in general gun laws should be more strict.",
">\n\nRegular people want kids to stop dying while in school. The problem is \"stricter laws\" is vague and no one can agree on what it means or give a serious proposal that would work, short of confiscation and bans, which are wildly unpopular.",
">\n\nVague political talking points is the best we’re going to get. Much as I’d love a Ross Perot style of breaking down every platform and promise, the general public doesn’t go for it. Buzz words are all we have the attention span for.",
">\n\nChina's COVID-19 surge raises odds of new coronavirus variants\nThings could get very ugly.",
">\n\nYou say this like covid hasn't been spreading rampantly through literally every country on the planet, mostly without any measures to stop the spread. Why does China get a different treatment and maybe countries should require tests from the US or Inida or Europe?",
">\n\nI agree. US was primarily the culprit of why COVID went rampant to begin with. We actively refused to enforce any sort of safety measures, just a mild suggestion of \"maybe wear a mask, if you want to, it's ok if you don't\" and \"we have vaccines if you want one, no pressure tho\". That was really our response to the world's deadliest pandemic.",
">\n\nWe actively made fun of zero covid approaches on reddit and now based on the comments on this thread we are suddenly pro “zero covid” approaches",
">\n\nEveryone finally watched contagion",
">\n\nSo far my 2023 bingo card is reading alooot of skull and crossbones, I think I might actually win at something next year, what does your score card look like?",
">\n\nWhen’s that $1200 going to hit my account?",
">\n\nI’m still living off mine from last time!",
">\n\nI’m still looking for mine",
">\n\nI’m waiting for that $600 bucks from Biden still, but that’s going right into my retirement!",
">\n\nYou dont get he meant to include any money you already received as well /s",
">\n\nI seem to remember campaign ads with $2000 checks.",
">\n\nYep they explicitly mentioned $2,000 checks.",
">\n\nMy comment was sarcasm but in retrospect there are so many neoliberals saying that word for word in all seriousness that I should and will add a sarcasm tag",
">\n\nThat's nice and all, but let's not act like we're not just ignoring our own COVID problems.",
">\n\n\n\"You don't have zero tolerance anymore? We can't tolerate that.\"\n\n- Country with 100% tolerance",
">\n\nWhy not require a negative COVID test from everyone entering the country? It’s like they don’t want COVID to be under control.",
">\n\nI think this is because China has a relatively low vaccination rate because they relied on lock downs. Now that lock downs are being ramped down, they are having a huge surge.",
">\n\nThe vaccination rate in China is considerably higher than the US (92% vs 81%). This is just another example of yellow peril",
">\n\nThank you for pointing this out. What I said above was wrong about the vaccination rate. I don’t know why exactly China is having a surge. 🤷♂️",
">\n\nTheir vaccination rate is high but their vaccine, SinoVac is based on old tech. It conveys effectively zero protection from variants when compared to all the other types of vaccines on the market.",
">\n\nYou guys are so full of shit. At 3 doses Sinovac gives the same protection as any western vaccine with boosters to help mitigate mutated variants. Stop spreading misinfo.",
">\n\n\"Does that thumbnail of someone getting tested read too much like 'screaming uselessly into the void'?\"\n\"I'm sure it'll be fine.\"",
">\n\nMaybe, just maybe they shouldnt have stopped testing airplane passengers in the first place... \nWe have cheap, readily available tests that take 10 minutes to complete. There’s really no reason not to test ever passenger before boarding...",
">\n\nEveryone I know who had Omicron tested negative until their symptoms cleared. It was evading the RATs, for some reason.",
">\n\nI tested positive on a rapid test two days after getting congested. Every teacher coworker of mine who bothered to test after getting cold symptoms also did. I think it's why so few parents now test their kids before sending time to school sick. They don't want to know so we all find out when we or our family members then test positive, missing work on their sick kids' behalf so they didn't have to. \nI have also heard the rapid test can give false negatives but anecdotal references don't mean much.",
">\n\nA day late and a dollar short. Same old song and dance.",
">\n\nWow, it’s like history literally repeating itself.",
">\n\nIndeed it is. I hope everyone is prepared for what’s next.",
">\n\nWe should require negative COVID tests for people to fly within the US, too.\nIt makes no difference to me if the person who infects me at LAX is coming in from China, or from Texas.",
">\n\nThere is a high chance anyone that comes from China has Covid right now. Low chance that someone inside America has.",
">\n\nNaw. China’s percent is much higher, sure, but it’s not like US infection rates are low. You can pretty much guarantee an infected American on every sold out domestic flight. The latest variants are super, super contagious, and it only takes one infected person to pose a serious risk to the other people sharing their space, and then all of their families and friends after they land. All flights should still require testing and masking at this point, or all we’ve really accomplished is pacifying the dimwits and xenophobes.\nI know at least 3 people who 100% contracted COVID while flying domestically in the US this last month - because they were isolated for the incubation period beforehand. They were masked the entire time they were in the airport and on the plane.",
">\n\nIf they were masked up and I assume vaccinated and still caught the virus then preventable measures like these aren’t that effective.",
">\n\nIs there a new strain of Covid that isn't in the U.S yet, otherwise what's the point.",
">\n\nUm testing should not ever stop.",
">\n\nAh shit here we go again",
">\n\n\"Who left the fridge open?\"",
">\n\nIt's \"just a cold\" unless it's a non-white person from another country carrying it.\n/s",
">\n\nChina implemented an ineffective vaccine and had 30m+ cases in one day. It’s specifically that gov. refusing to use effective vaccines",
">\n\nAnd the United States had effective vaccines that half the country is not willing to nor willing to wear masks, while complaining to other countries like China about their travel restrictions (from China and Hong Kong). And honestly I’m not oppose to a tighter restriction on China while they are experiencing a surge in new cases just as it did with any other countries that initially loosen covid restrictions, what makes me question this being race or politically motivated is the hypocrisy; people complained about China being oppressive when it was enforcing all the covid restrictions and when they loosen it “China doesn’t care about human lives”.\nSo what exactly do you want them to do?",
">\n\n\nto Require Negative Covid Tests for Travelers From China\n\nLuckily China is well known for its systemic unwillingness to fake or counterfeit things, so everything should be fine.\nhonest.",
">\n\nSeems purely retaliatory with no actual effectiveness.\nEnforcement is over a week away and presumably China has hit its peak already (flights being 40% positive)",
">\n\nThe rich rats are going to buy fake tests and jump ship breaking quarantine just like they did in the first wave. Cutting flights or enforcing quarantines is the only way to prevent this stuff from jumping oceans but god forbid anybody inhibit the jet setters.",
">\n\nHALF of the passengers on a plane from China going to Italy tested positive the other day (tested on arrival). Chances are most if not all of them had negative test results they could show that they took before they left. This won't do anything to stop people coming into the US while positive..we are going to have to go through this all over again and we won't have the same somewhat cooperative response in the US this time if it is a variant that evades immunity... It will get REALLY bad.",
">\n\nSeriously they know red states will just let them in and will never do another shut down again. So start dealt with out break countries this way to slow it down or corner it. But I see very very bad days ahead for China and Russia is starting to report out breaks too.",
">\n\nMust. When?",
">\n\nWe already require this from canada iirc\nEdit: i was wrong, canada requires it from us.",
">\n\nI hope we are talking PCR tests... those store-bought 15-minute ones struggle to get a positive if you have any sort of vaccination, even while symptomatic and miserable.",
">\n\nWell, a little bit of good news. I'll take it.",
">\n\nTravel should have been 100$ restricted a long time ago. Travel should be restricted to any country experiencing a COVID outbreak.",
">\n\nWonderful. Another round of Asian hating.",
">\n\nWho's hating on Asians? We're trying to stop this virus from killing people.",
">\n\nor… ban flights from china??",
">\n\nDoesn’t make sense in singling out China when covid is widespread in every single country",
">\n\nThe extent of covid in china atm is just absurd. Two weeks ago, they had 37 MILLION cases in one day. Think about that. Thats more people than a lot of countries! \nsource",
">\n\nI wonder why China has so much trouble with COVID compared to other countries, despite being so strict.",
">\n\nIt’s because they had the zero covid approaches that people are advocating for in this thread and they suddenly reversed course. Everyone in China is getting it so fast its likely the same variants quickly spreading in a population that suddenly reversed course. Having many people getting it over time and exposed to new generations of the virus (which is what happens over time) is more insidious but people here think thats fine",
">\n\nEveryone saying this is racist, do not pay attention to the world",
">\n\nIt was called racist and xenophobic when Trump did it. The left are hypocritical emotional wrecks.",
">\n\nnah trump was racist or did you forget he called it the “china virus” and subsequent hate crimes increased against adians",
">\n\nLet’s not change the subject. We’re talking about testing travelers from China here. Always trying to deflect.",
">\n\nIs that what he did, though? That and nothing else? This is a Fox News headline, but I bet there's a lot more to it. There usually is.\nFYI, Italy is also requiring testing of travelers from China at this time.\nBecause of the high number of cases in China at this time.",
">\n\nSo many dumb replies here. I am sad about where humankind is at.",
">\n\nRound two people",
">\n\nWe need to ramp up testing again at border.",
">\n\nChina trying to stop Covid…lol! Fail miserably at that, build a huge infected population, then unleash it on the world. Great job China /s",
">\n\nSell then the Moderna vaccine so they can treat themselves, ans end this debacle.",
">\n\nEven if US send Moderna and Phizer vaccine, China will not use it, because they boast about \"superior\" Chinese vaccine and don't want to lose face.\n\nUntil they change their attitude, I suggest keeping restriction in place for PRC travelers."
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CCP exporting covid again.
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"People from China will travel through Europe and come in to America from the east coast like they did when the pandemic started. This will do nothing if all travelers aboard aren’t made to test.",
">\n\nLet's hope EU and other countries do the same.",
">\n\nI don't know if they will. Australia (for example) had some of the toughest Covid policies and they've essentially just thrown them all out the window.\nSo I don't know how willing countries are to go back to being overly concerned about Covid.",
">\n\nThey should be concerned w chinese, it's spreading like wildfire in china. If we aren't careful, they will come out w covid 20.",
">\n\nIt’s spreading everywhere including the USA. This policy has nothing to do with science or medicine. It’s just politics.",
">\n\nNo. It’s circulating like mad in a population of 1 billion people who haven’t been exposed before. This is how new variants come about. Every country should require negative Covid test for china at least until it cycles through the population",
">\n\n\nNo. It’s circulating like mad in a population of 1 billion people who haven’t been exposed before.\n\nIt's also spreading like mad in all the countries of the world including the USA.\n\nThis is how new variants come about. \n\nAnd they have been for years now.\n\nEvery country should require negative Covid test for china at least until it cycles through the population\n\nOnly for political reasons. There is no scientific or rational demand for this. \nI get it, you hate china, most americans hate china so just be honest and say what you really mean.",
">\n\nStrains are spreading in the west yes, but there are new strains in China that are spreading and we don't know if our vaccines will work with those strains. We know the Chinese vaccines have a low efficacy rate and we know they are not mRNA vaccines which allow for easier adaptation to new strains. Making travelers with a Chinese passport take Covid tests at any and all airports is not racist or even unfair - a reminder that China has been relatively hard to travel to for the last 2 years because they were locked down to foreign travel as well. This is simply good policy from a public health measure, and you not wanting to see that for what it is and instead attribute it to a nascent American hatred for China is laughable. the World Health Organization estimated close to 800 million new cases in China in the next few months, with another estimate 4 million deaths and countless new strains coming out during that period. This is about protection populations, not punishing China.",
">\n\n\nStrains are spreading in the west yes, but there are new strains in China that are spreading and we don't know if our vaccines will work with those strains.\n\nYou don't know if vaccines work against any new variant even if that variant is from a country populated with white people.\n\nWe know the Chinese vaccines have a low efficacy rate and we know they are not mRNA vaccines which allow for easier adaptation to new strains. \n\nThe vaccine doesn't adapt once inside of your body you know that right?\n\nMaking travelers with a Chinese passport take Covid tests at any and all airports is not racist or even unfair \n\nit's definitely unfair and probably racist as well.\n\nhis is simply good policy from a public health measure, a\n\nA good policy would be to require vaccinations from everybody. Think about it, you are requiring a vaccine that you said doesn't even work. How much sense does that make?\n\nattribute it to a nascent American hatred for China is laughable.\n\nNascent?\n\nThis is about protection populations, not punishing China.\n\nIt's definitely about punishing china, it's a part of the current cold war with China conducted by the USA.",
">\n\n\nYou don't know if vaccines work against any new variant even if that variant is from a country populated with white people.\n\nAll the more reason to not invite more new strains into the country. White population or otherwise has nothing to do with it, expected rise in cases in China does.\n\nThe vaccine doesn't adapt once inside of your body you know that right?\n\nYou missed the point. The point i was making was that the Chinese medical system has not even approached Covid with an mRNA vaccine, and steadfastly refused to license western vaccines. If the vaccine most readily available in China has a 50% efficacy then the population is at more risk of contracting the virus and having negative results. The infection rates are increased with each new case of BA.7 (China is currently seeing each covid patient infecting on average 18 other people represented as 1:18, whereas the in US the rate is 1:3.9). Each of these factors increases the risk of developing new strains that are vaccine resistant. \n\nit's definitely unfair and probably racist as well\n\nIs it your position that nations cannot take any prescriptive action to prevent the spread of infected persons from other countries? Again i would remind you that China has basically been locked down for the last 2 years, with severe limitations to personal freedoms themselves. This is not based on race, but rather a government's inability to contain a contagious outbreak in their own country and not wanting it to spread. \n\nA good policy would be to require vaccinations from everybody. Think about it, you are requiring a vaccine that you said doesn't even work. How much sense does that make?\n\nThat might be your definition on good policy, but it isn't mine and that isn't how the west does it. \"I\" am not requiring a vaccine that \"I\" said doesn't work - that was your suggestion not mine. Also, i said the efficacy of the Chinese vaccine is 50% - based on available information - i never said it didn't work, and i never said that it should be mandatory or required.\n\nNascent?\n\nPoor and wrong word choice on my part it seems. What i meant was ascribing the US decision to require testing of Chinese travelers to racism because you believe that the US is racist is laughable. Taking a test to prove that you are covid negative is far less onerous on a traveler than most visa requirements.\n\nIt's definitely about punishing china, it's a part of the current cold war with China conducted by the USA.\n\nCite your sources. I could point to many Chinese government policies that i could say are part of the current cold war with the US without backing it up and it would be just as credible as what you said. Opinion is not a source, and not proof. You assume that the US government is racist, that this policy is racist and yet we have had travel bans imposed on other countries, as well as testing required for travelers from other countries imposed before, and other policies and so has China. For goodness sake China has been closed to foreigners for almost 3 years, and is still closed to foreign travel until January 2023. Is that a racist policy as well?",
">\n\nHere we go again.\nThis time I think I'll learn French cooking.",
">\n\n5000 People a day will have to die before Anybody says the word Lock down in the States ever again.",
">\n\nDon’t understand why people can’t handle staying at home for two weeks when it could potentially eradicate a deadly virus. Are we that weak?",
">\n\nWe did that in large part in March 2020. And did China not spend years locking down their citizens? \nPeoples savings are gone. They need to work. \nWearing a mask would do a lot to help the issue but people aren’t willing to do that anymore.",
">\n\nWe didn't do that though. We didn't all lock down when we were supposed to. Where I work I had to go in from the very start all the way through. Most people, the majority of people, didn't stay home even if they didn't have work. Most people didn't fuck with masks or keeping a distance, and even people who weren't antivaccers didn't take the vaccine seriously for the longest time. \nWe had no fucking lock down, unless you were a well-off celebrity or comedian who wanted to talk about being locked down for content. \nIf people legit locked down, they would have taken a small hit financially, but too many people didn't do shit and prolonged everything.",
">\n\nThe things is that it doesn't take long to drain peoples saving - becuase the overwhelming majority of people have practically none. \nSo an extended lockdown was never feasible unless the government was willing to pay several trillion dollars of expenses, not just 2 or 3 times but several times over.",
">\n\nI didn't dispute any of what you said. I pointed out that most people actively contested any safety measure and most people didn't actually lock down. Any extension will almost certainly be the fault of most of those people. \nI'd gladly let them all die if it meant the few people who did take things seriously didn't have to live through a Walking Dead scenario or have to take a huge financial hit because them.",
">\n\nMost people did lock down just fine initially. After a few weeks turned into a month or more, yeah people got testy.\nAdditionally, a gigantic amount of people work in critical industries and simply cant stay home. Just keeping the lights and water on requires tens of millions of workers, plus industries like plants and refineries that simply cannot shut down without massive long-term consequences.\nReddit is full of office people who can WFH, the vast majority of people cant.",
">\n\nI was one of those who couldn't stay home. Right out of the gate most people gave up on almost all of it except when they were making a show of complying when they had to. There was a lot of cheating. I walk through a lot of different areas. The waves of patients and bodies we got at work tracked with that and became predictable.",
">\n\nWhat’s that saying that ends with ”…doomed to repeat it?”",
">\n\nWhy not just require a negative test from everyone?",
">\n\nWho would you expect to pay for that?",
">\n\nGovernments or sponsors from the private sector ideally, I honestly don’t give a fuck. I’ve gotten many free tests from both and I’ve also bought some for like $8.",
">\n\n“Here we go again” from everyone in the comments. \nThe virus never stopped, we did.",
">\n\nVirus will always be there. Permanent restrictions are unsustainable",
">\n\n3 years later...\nIs this permanent?",
">\n\nI doubt there's anything that would make Republicans running in 2024 happier then Democrats advocating for a return to COVID restrictions.",
">\n\nRight? It’d be like the democrats fighting for gun control, or gay and trans rights, or safe and legal abortions. It would be political suicide to stand for something that Republicans don’t like!",
">\n\nMy understanding is that everything you listed is broadly popular or has at least a majority of American's in favor of it. A return to COVID restrictions is not in that category.",
">\n\nGun control isn’t even universally loved amongst the American left, as the hard left needs them for protection from the hard right they clash with, and the middle left does like having their guns taken as much as any middle right wing does, only mid left likes it",
">\n\nGallup has 57% of Americans feeling that in general gun laws should be more strict.",
">\n\nRegular people want kids to stop dying while in school. The problem is \"stricter laws\" is vague and no one can agree on what it means or give a serious proposal that would work, short of confiscation and bans, which are wildly unpopular.",
">\n\nVague political talking points is the best we’re going to get. Much as I’d love a Ross Perot style of breaking down every platform and promise, the general public doesn’t go for it. Buzz words are all we have the attention span for.",
">\n\nChina's COVID-19 surge raises odds of new coronavirus variants\nThings could get very ugly.",
">\n\nYou say this like covid hasn't been spreading rampantly through literally every country on the planet, mostly without any measures to stop the spread. Why does China get a different treatment and maybe countries should require tests from the US or Inida or Europe?",
">\n\nI agree. US was primarily the culprit of why COVID went rampant to begin with. We actively refused to enforce any sort of safety measures, just a mild suggestion of \"maybe wear a mask, if you want to, it's ok if you don't\" and \"we have vaccines if you want one, no pressure tho\". That was really our response to the world's deadliest pandemic.",
">\n\nWe actively made fun of zero covid approaches on reddit and now based on the comments on this thread we are suddenly pro “zero covid” approaches",
">\n\nEveryone finally watched contagion",
">\n\nSo far my 2023 bingo card is reading alooot of skull and crossbones, I think I might actually win at something next year, what does your score card look like?",
">\n\nWhen’s that $1200 going to hit my account?",
">\n\nI’m still living off mine from last time!",
">\n\nI’m still looking for mine",
">\n\nI’m waiting for that $600 bucks from Biden still, but that’s going right into my retirement!",
">\n\nYou dont get he meant to include any money you already received as well /s",
">\n\nI seem to remember campaign ads with $2000 checks.",
">\n\nYep they explicitly mentioned $2,000 checks.",
">\n\nMy comment was sarcasm but in retrospect there are so many neoliberals saying that word for word in all seriousness that I should and will add a sarcasm tag",
">\n\nThat's nice and all, but let's not act like we're not just ignoring our own COVID problems.",
">\n\n\n\"You don't have zero tolerance anymore? We can't tolerate that.\"\n\n- Country with 100% tolerance",
">\n\nWhy not require a negative COVID test from everyone entering the country? It’s like they don’t want COVID to be under control.",
">\n\nI think this is because China has a relatively low vaccination rate because they relied on lock downs. Now that lock downs are being ramped down, they are having a huge surge.",
">\n\nThe vaccination rate in China is considerably higher than the US (92% vs 81%). This is just another example of yellow peril",
">\n\nThank you for pointing this out. What I said above was wrong about the vaccination rate. I don’t know why exactly China is having a surge. 🤷♂️",
">\n\nTheir vaccination rate is high but their vaccine, SinoVac is based on old tech. It conveys effectively zero protection from variants when compared to all the other types of vaccines on the market.",
">\n\nYou guys are so full of shit. At 3 doses Sinovac gives the same protection as any western vaccine with boosters to help mitigate mutated variants. Stop spreading misinfo.",
">\n\n\"Does that thumbnail of someone getting tested read too much like 'screaming uselessly into the void'?\"\n\"I'm sure it'll be fine.\"",
">\n\nMaybe, just maybe they shouldnt have stopped testing airplane passengers in the first place... \nWe have cheap, readily available tests that take 10 minutes to complete. There’s really no reason not to test ever passenger before boarding...",
">\n\nEveryone I know who had Omicron tested negative until their symptoms cleared. It was evading the RATs, for some reason.",
">\n\nI tested positive on a rapid test two days after getting congested. Every teacher coworker of mine who bothered to test after getting cold symptoms also did. I think it's why so few parents now test their kids before sending time to school sick. They don't want to know so we all find out when we or our family members then test positive, missing work on their sick kids' behalf so they didn't have to. \nI have also heard the rapid test can give false negatives but anecdotal references don't mean much.",
">\n\nA day late and a dollar short. Same old song and dance.",
">\n\nWow, it’s like history literally repeating itself.",
">\n\nIndeed it is. I hope everyone is prepared for what’s next.",
">\n\nWe should require negative COVID tests for people to fly within the US, too.\nIt makes no difference to me if the person who infects me at LAX is coming in from China, or from Texas.",
">\n\nThere is a high chance anyone that comes from China has Covid right now. Low chance that someone inside America has.",
">\n\nNaw. China’s percent is much higher, sure, but it’s not like US infection rates are low. You can pretty much guarantee an infected American on every sold out domestic flight. The latest variants are super, super contagious, and it only takes one infected person to pose a serious risk to the other people sharing their space, and then all of their families and friends after they land. All flights should still require testing and masking at this point, or all we’ve really accomplished is pacifying the dimwits and xenophobes.\nI know at least 3 people who 100% contracted COVID while flying domestically in the US this last month - because they were isolated for the incubation period beforehand. They were masked the entire time they were in the airport and on the plane.",
">\n\nIf they were masked up and I assume vaccinated and still caught the virus then preventable measures like these aren’t that effective.",
">\n\nIs there a new strain of Covid that isn't in the U.S yet, otherwise what's the point.",
">\n\nUm testing should not ever stop.",
">\n\nAh shit here we go again",
">\n\n\"Who left the fridge open?\"",
">\n\nIt's \"just a cold\" unless it's a non-white person from another country carrying it.\n/s",
">\n\nChina implemented an ineffective vaccine and had 30m+ cases in one day. It’s specifically that gov. refusing to use effective vaccines",
">\n\nAnd the United States had effective vaccines that half the country is not willing to nor willing to wear masks, while complaining to other countries like China about their travel restrictions (from China and Hong Kong). And honestly I’m not oppose to a tighter restriction on China while they are experiencing a surge in new cases just as it did with any other countries that initially loosen covid restrictions, what makes me question this being race or politically motivated is the hypocrisy; people complained about China being oppressive when it was enforcing all the covid restrictions and when they loosen it “China doesn’t care about human lives”.\nSo what exactly do you want them to do?",
">\n\n\nto Require Negative Covid Tests for Travelers From China\n\nLuckily China is well known for its systemic unwillingness to fake or counterfeit things, so everything should be fine.\nhonest.",
">\n\nSeems purely retaliatory with no actual effectiveness.\nEnforcement is over a week away and presumably China has hit its peak already (flights being 40% positive)",
">\n\nThe rich rats are going to buy fake tests and jump ship breaking quarantine just like they did in the first wave. Cutting flights or enforcing quarantines is the only way to prevent this stuff from jumping oceans but god forbid anybody inhibit the jet setters.",
">\n\nHALF of the passengers on a plane from China going to Italy tested positive the other day (tested on arrival). Chances are most if not all of them had negative test results they could show that they took before they left. This won't do anything to stop people coming into the US while positive..we are going to have to go through this all over again and we won't have the same somewhat cooperative response in the US this time if it is a variant that evades immunity... It will get REALLY bad.",
">\n\nSeriously they know red states will just let them in and will never do another shut down again. So start dealt with out break countries this way to slow it down or corner it. But I see very very bad days ahead for China and Russia is starting to report out breaks too.",
">\n\nMust. When?",
">\n\nWe already require this from canada iirc\nEdit: i was wrong, canada requires it from us.",
">\n\nI hope we are talking PCR tests... those store-bought 15-minute ones struggle to get a positive if you have any sort of vaccination, even while symptomatic and miserable.",
">\n\nWell, a little bit of good news. I'll take it.",
">\n\nTravel should have been 100$ restricted a long time ago. Travel should be restricted to any country experiencing a COVID outbreak.",
">\n\nWonderful. Another round of Asian hating.",
">\n\nWho's hating on Asians? We're trying to stop this virus from killing people.",
">\n\nor… ban flights from china??",
">\n\nDoesn’t make sense in singling out China when covid is widespread in every single country",
">\n\nThe extent of covid in china atm is just absurd. Two weeks ago, they had 37 MILLION cases in one day. Think about that. Thats more people than a lot of countries! \nsource",
">\n\nI wonder why China has so much trouble with COVID compared to other countries, despite being so strict.",
">\n\nIt’s because they had the zero covid approaches that people are advocating for in this thread and they suddenly reversed course. Everyone in China is getting it so fast its likely the same variants quickly spreading in a population that suddenly reversed course. Having many people getting it over time and exposed to new generations of the virus (which is what happens over time) is more insidious but people here think thats fine",
">\n\nEveryone saying this is racist, do not pay attention to the world",
">\n\nIt was called racist and xenophobic when Trump did it. The left are hypocritical emotional wrecks.",
">\n\nnah trump was racist or did you forget he called it the “china virus” and subsequent hate crimes increased against adians",
">\n\nLet’s not change the subject. We’re talking about testing travelers from China here. Always trying to deflect.",
">\n\nIs that what he did, though? That and nothing else? This is a Fox News headline, but I bet there's a lot more to it. There usually is.\nFYI, Italy is also requiring testing of travelers from China at this time.\nBecause of the high number of cases in China at this time.",
">\n\nSo many dumb replies here. I am sad about where humankind is at.",
">\n\nRound two people",
">\n\nWe need to ramp up testing again at border.",
">\n\nChina trying to stop Covid…lol! Fail miserably at that, build a huge infected population, then unleash it on the world. Great job China /s",
">\n\nSell then the Moderna vaccine so they can treat themselves, ans end this debacle.",
">\n\nEven if US send Moderna and Phizer vaccine, China will not use it, because they boast about \"superior\" Chinese vaccine and don't want to lose face.\n\nUntil they change their attitude, I suggest keeping restriction in place for PRC travelers.",
">\n\nOh definitely."
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