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> Paywall - can anyone help me read the article? It sounds great in theory but why wait so long? That’s how this all started in 2020. Test now!
[ "People from China will travel through Europe and come in to America from the east coast like they did when the pandemic started. This will do nothing if all travelers aboard aren’t made to test.", ">\n\nLet's hope EU and other countries do the same.", ">\n\nI don't know if they will. Australia (for example) had some of the toughest Covid policies and they've essentially just thrown them all out the window.\nSo I don't know how willing countries are to go back to being overly concerned about Covid.", ">\n\nThey should be concerned w chinese, it's spreading like wildfire in china. If we aren't careful, they will come out w covid 20.", ">\n\nIt’s spreading everywhere including the USA. This policy has nothing to do with science or medicine. It’s just politics.", ">\n\nNo. It’s circulating like mad in a population of 1 billion people who haven’t been exposed before. This is how new variants come about. Every country should require negative Covid test for china at least until it cycles through the population", ">\n\n\nNo. It’s circulating like mad in a population of 1 billion people who haven’t been exposed before.\n\nIt's also spreading like mad in all the countries of the world including the USA.\n\nThis is how new variants come about. \n\nAnd they have been for years now.\n\nEvery country should require negative Covid test for china at least until it cycles through the population\n\nOnly for political reasons. There is no scientific or rational demand for this. \nI get it, you hate china, most americans hate china so just be honest and say what you really mean.", ">\n\nStrains are spreading in the west yes, but there are new strains in China that are spreading and we don't know if our vaccines will work with those strains. We know the Chinese vaccines have a low efficacy rate and we know they are not mRNA vaccines which allow for easier adaptation to new strains. Making travelers with a Chinese passport take Covid tests at any and all airports is not racist or even unfair - a reminder that China has been relatively hard to travel to for the last 2 years because they were locked down to foreign travel as well. This is simply good policy from a public health measure, and you not wanting to see that for what it is and instead attribute it to a nascent American hatred for China is laughable. the World Health Organization estimated close to 800 million new cases in China in the next few months, with another estimate 4 million deaths and countless new strains coming out during that period. This is about protection populations, not punishing China.", ">\n\n\nStrains are spreading in the west yes, but there are new strains in China that are spreading and we don't know if our vaccines will work with those strains.\n\nYou don't know if vaccines work against any new variant even if that variant is from a country populated with white people.\n\nWe know the Chinese vaccines have a low efficacy rate and we know they are not mRNA vaccines which allow for easier adaptation to new strains. \n\nThe vaccine doesn't adapt once inside of your body you know that right?\n\nMaking travelers with a Chinese passport take Covid tests at any and all airports is not racist or even unfair \n\nit's definitely unfair and probably racist as well.\n\nhis is simply good policy from a public health measure, a\n\nA good policy would be to require vaccinations from everybody. Think about it, you are requiring a vaccine that you said doesn't even work. How much sense does that make?\n\nattribute it to a nascent American hatred for China is laughable.\n\nNascent?\n\nThis is about protection populations, not punishing China.\n\nIt's definitely about punishing china, it's a part of the current cold war with China conducted by the USA.", ">\n\n\nYou don't know if vaccines work against any new variant even if that variant is from a country populated with white people.\n\nAll the more reason to not invite more new strains into the country. White population or otherwise has nothing to do with it, expected rise in cases in China does.\n\nThe vaccine doesn't adapt once inside of your body you know that right?\n\nYou missed the point. The point i was making was that the Chinese medical system has not even approached Covid with an mRNA vaccine, and steadfastly refused to license western vaccines. If the vaccine most readily available in China has a 50% efficacy then the population is at more risk of contracting the virus and having negative results. The infection rates are increased with each new case of BA.7 (China is currently seeing each covid patient infecting on average 18 other people represented as 1:18, whereas the in US the rate is 1:3.9). Each of these factors increases the risk of developing new strains that are vaccine resistant. \n\nit's definitely unfair and probably racist as well\n\nIs it your position that nations cannot take any prescriptive action to prevent the spread of infected persons from other countries? Again i would remind you that China has basically been locked down for the last 2 years, with severe limitations to personal freedoms themselves. This is not based on race, but rather a government's inability to contain a contagious outbreak in their own country and not wanting it to spread. \n\nA good policy would be to require vaccinations from everybody. Think about it, you are requiring a vaccine that you said doesn't even work. How much sense does that make?\n\nThat might be your definition on good policy, but it isn't mine and that isn't how the west does it. \"I\" am not requiring a vaccine that \"I\" said doesn't work - that was your suggestion not mine. Also, i said the efficacy of the Chinese vaccine is 50% - based on available information - i never said it didn't work, and i never said that it should be mandatory or required.\n\nNascent?\n\nPoor and wrong word choice on my part it seems. What i meant was ascribing the US decision to require testing of Chinese travelers to racism because you believe that the US is racist is laughable. Taking a test to prove that you are covid negative is far less onerous on a traveler than most visa requirements.\n\nIt's definitely about punishing china, it's a part of the current cold war with China conducted by the USA.\n\nCite your sources. I could point to many Chinese government policies that i could say are part of the current cold war with the US without backing it up and it would be just as credible as what you said. Opinion is not a source, and not proof. You assume that the US government is racist, that this policy is racist and yet we have had travel bans imposed on other countries, as well as testing required for travelers from other countries imposed before, and other policies and so has China. For goodness sake China has been closed to foreigners for almost 3 years, and is still closed to foreign travel until January 2023. Is that a racist policy as well?", ">\n\nHere we go again.\nThis time I think I'll learn French cooking.", ">\n\n5000 People a day will have to die before Anybody says the word Lock down in the States ever again.", ">\n\nDon’t understand why people can’t handle staying at home for two weeks when it could potentially eradicate a deadly virus. Are we that weak?", ">\n\nWe did that in large part in March 2020. And did China not spend years locking down their citizens? \nPeoples savings are gone. They need to work. \nWearing a mask would do a lot to help the issue but people aren’t willing to do that anymore.", ">\n\nWe didn't do that though. We didn't all lock down when we were supposed to. Where I work I had to go in from the very start all the way through. Most people, the majority of people, didn't stay home even if they didn't have work. Most people didn't fuck with masks or keeping a distance, and even people who weren't antivaccers didn't take the vaccine seriously for the longest time. \nWe had no fucking lock down, unless you were a well-off celebrity or comedian who wanted to talk about being locked down for content. \nIf people legit locked down, they would have taken a small hit financially, but too many people didn't do shit and prolonged everything.", ">\n\nThe things is that it doesn't take long to drain peoples saving - becuase the overwhelming majority of people have practically none. \nSo an extended lockdown was never feasible unless the government was willing to pay several trillion dollars of expenses, not just 2 or 3 times but several times over.", ">\n\nI didn't dispute any of what you said. I pointed out that most people actively contested any safety measure and most people didn't actually lock down. Any extension will almost certainly be the fault of most of those people. \nI'd gladly let them all die if it meant the few people who did take things seriously didn't have to live through a Walking Dead scenario or have to take a huge financial hit because them.", ">\n\nMost people did lock down just fine initially. After a few weeks turned into a month or more, yeah people got testy.\nAdditionally, a gigantic amount of people work in critical industries and simply cant stay home. Just keeping the lights and water on requires tens of millions of workers, plus industries like plants and refineries that simply cannot shut down without massive long-term consequences.\nReddit is full of office people who can WFH, the vast majority of people cant.", ">\n\nI was one of those who couldn't stay home. Right out of the gate most people gave up on almost all of it except when they were making a show of complying when they had to. There was a lot of cheating. I walk through a lot of different areas. The waves of patients and bodies we got at work tracked with that and became predictable.", ">\n\nWhat’s that saying that ends with ”…doomed to repeat it?”", ">\n\nWhy not just require a negative test from everyone?", ">\n\nWho would you expect to pay for that?", ">\n\nGovernments or sponsors from the private sector ideally, I honestly don’t give a fuck. I’ve gotten many free tests from both and I’ve also bought some for like $8.", ">\n\n“Here we go again” from everyone in the comments. \nThe virus never stopped, we did.", ">\n\nVirus will always be there. Permanent restrictions are unsustainable", ">\n\n3 years later...\nIs this permanent?", ">\n\nI doubt there's anything that would make Republicans running in 2024 happier then Democrats advocating for a return to COVID restrictions.", ">\n\nRight? It’d be like the democrats fighting for gun control, or gay and trans rights, or safe and legal abortions. It would be political suicide to stand for something that Republicans don’t like!", ">\n\nMy understanding is that everything you listed is broadly popular or has at least a majority of American's in favor of it. A return to COVID restrictions is not in that category.", ">\n\nGun control isn’t even universally loved amongst the American left, as the hard left needs them for protection from the hard right they clash with, and the middle left does like having their guns taken as much as any middle right wing does, only mid left likes it", ">\n\nGallup has 57% of Americans feeling that in general gun laws should be more strict.", ">\n\nRegular people want kids to stop dying while in school. The problem is \"stricter laws\" is vague and no one can agree on what it means or give a serious proposal that would work, short of confiscation and bans, which are wildly unpopular.", ">\n\nVague political talking points is the best we’re going to get. Much as I’d love a Ross Perot style of breaking down every platform and promise, the general public doesn’t go for it. Buzz words are all we have the attention span for.", ">\n\nChina's COVID-19 surge raises odds of new coronavirus variants\nThings could get very ugly.", ">\n\nYou say this like covid hasn't been spreading rampantly through literally every country on the planet, mostly without any measures to stop the spread. Why does China get a different treatment and maybe countries should require tests from the US or Inida or Europe?", ">\n\nI agree. US was primarily the culprit of why COVID went rampant to begin with. We actively refused to enforce any sort of safety measures, just a mild suggestion of \"maybe wear a mask, if you want to, it's ok if you don't\" and \"we have vaccines if you want one, no pressure tho\". That was really our response to the world's deadliest pandemic.", ">\n\nWe actively made fun of zero covid approaches on reddit and now based on the comments on this thread we are suddenly pro “zero covid” approaches", ">\n\nEveryone finally watched contagion", ">\n\nSo far my 2023 bingo card is reading alooot of skull and crossbones, I think I might actually win at something next year, what does your score card look like?", ">\n\nWhen’s that $1200 going to hit my account?", ">\n\nI’m still living off mine from last time!", ">\n\nI’m still looking for mine", ">\n\nI’m waiting for that $600 bucks from Biden still, but that’s going right into my retirement!", ">\n\nYou dont get he meant to include any money you already received as well /s", ">\n\nI seem to remember campaign ads with $2000 checks.", ">\n\nYep they explicitly mentioned $2,000 checks.", ">\n\nMy comment was sarcasm but in retrospect there are so many neoliberals saying that word for word in all seriousness that I should and will add a sarcasm tag", ">\n\nThat's nice and all, but let's not act like we're not just ignoring our own COVID problems.", ">\n\n\n\"You don't have zero tolerance anymore? We can't tolerate that.\"\n\n- Country with 100% tolerance", ">\n\nWhy not require a negative COVID test from everyone entering the country? It’s like they don’t want COVID to be under control.", ">\n\nI think this is because China has a relatively low vaccination rate because they relied on lock downs. Now that lock downs are being ramped down, they are having a huge surge.", ">\n\nThe vaccination rate in China is considerably higher than the US (92% vs 81%). This is just another example of yellow peril", ">\n\nThank you for pointing this out. What I said above was wrong about the vaccination rate. I don’t know why exactly China is having a surge. 🤷‍♂️", ">\n\nTheir vaccination rate is high but their vaccine, SinoVac is based on old tech. It conveys effectively zero protection from variants when compared to all the other types of vaccines on the market.", ">\n\nYou guys are so full of shit. At 3 doses Sinovac gives the same protection as any western vaccine with boosters to help mitigate mutated variants. Stop spreading misinfo.", ">\n\n\"Does that thumbnail of someone getting tested read too much like 'screaming uselessly into the void'?\"\n\"I'm sure it'll be fine.\"", ">\n\nMaybe, just maybe they shouldnt have stopped testing airplane passengers in the first place... \nWe have cheap, readily available tests that take 10 minutes to complete. There’s really no reason not to test ever passenger before boarding...", ">\n\nEveryone I know who had Omicron tested negative until their symptoms cleared. It was evading the RATs, for some reason.", ">\n\nI tested positive on a rapid test two days after getting congested. Every teacher coworker of mine who bothered to test after getting cold symptoms also did. I think it's why so few parents now test their kids before sending time to school sick. They don't want to know so we all find out when we or our family members then test positive, missing work on their sick kids' behalf so they didn't have to. \nI have also heard the rapid test can give false negatives but anecdotal references don't mean much.", ">\n\nA day late and a dollar short. Same old song and dance.", ">\n\nWow, it’s like history literally repeating itself.", ">\n\nIndeed it is. I hope everyone is prepared for what’s next.", ">\n\nWe should require negative COVID tests for people to fly within the US, too.\nIt makes no difference to me if the person who infects me at LAX is coming in from China, or from Texas.", ">\n\nThere is a high chance anyone that comes from China has Covid right now. Low chance that someone inside America has.", ">\n\nNaw. China’s percent is much higher, sure, but it’s not like US infection rates are low. You can pretty much guarantee an infected American on every sold out domestic flight. The latest variants are super, super contagious, and it only takes one infected person to pose a serious risk to the other people sharing their space, and then all of their families and friends after they land. All flights should still require testing and masking at this point, or all we’ve really accomplished is pacifying the dimwits and xenophobes.\nI know at least 3 people who 100% contracted COVID while flying domestically in the US this last month - because they were isolated for the incubation period beforehand. They were masked the entire time they were in the airport and on the plane.", ">\n\nIf they were masked up and I assume vaccinated and still caught the virus then preventable measures like these aren’t that effective.", ">\n\nIs there a new strain of Covid that isn't in the U.S yet, otherwise what's the point.", ">\n\nUm testing should not ever stop.", ">\n\nAh shit here we go again", ">\n\n\"Who left the fridge open?\"", ">\n\nIt's \"just a cold\" unless it's a non-white person from another country carrying it.\n/s", ">\n\nChina implemented an ineffective vaccine and had 30m+ cases in one day. It’s specifically that gov. refusing to use effective vaccines", ">\n\nAnd the United States had effective vaccines that half the country is not willing to nor willing to wear masks, while complaining to other countries like China about their travel restrictions (from China and Hong Kong). And honestly I’m not oppose to a tighter restriction on China while they are experiencing a surge in new cases just as it did with any other countries that initially loosen covid restrictions, what makes me question this being race or politically motivated is the hypocrisy; people complained about China being oppressive when it was enforcing all the covid restrictions and when they loosen it “China doesn’t care about human lives”.\nSo what exactly do you want them to do?", ">\n\n\nto Require Negative Covid Tests for Travelers From China\n\nLuckily China is well known for its systemic unwillingness to fake or counterfeit things, so everything should be fine.\nhonest.", ">\n\nSeems purely retaliatory with no actual effectiveness.\nEnforcement is over a week away and presumably China has hit its peak already (flights being 40% positive)", ">\n\nThe rich rats are going to buy fake tests and jump ship breaking quarantine just like they did in the first wave. Cutting flights or enforcing quarantines is the only way to prevent this stuff from jumping oceans but god forbid anybody inhibit the jet setters.", ">\n\nHALF of the passengers on a plane from China going to Italy tested positive the other day (tested on arrival). Chances are most if not all of them had negative test results they could show that they took before they left. This won't do anything to stop people coming into the US while positive..we are going to have to go through this all over again and we won't have the same somewhat cooperative response in the US this time if it is a variant that evades immunity... It will get REALLY bad.", ">\n\nSeriously they know red states will just let them in and will never do another shut down again. So start dealt with out break countries this way to slow it down or corner it. But I see very very bad days ahead for China and Russia is starting to report out breaks too.", ">\n\nMust. When?", ">\n\nWe already require this from canada iirc\nEdit: i was wrong, canada requires it from us.", ">\n\nI hope we are talking PCR tests... those store-bought 15-minute ones struggle to get a positive if you have any sort of vaccination, even while symptomatic and miserable.", ">\n\nWell, a little bit of good news. I'll take it.", ">\n\nTravel should have been 100$ restricted a long time ago. Travel should be restricted to any country experiencing a COVID outbreak.", ">\n\nWonderful. Another round of Asian hating.", ">\n\nWho's hating on Asians? We're trying to stop this virus from killing people.", ">\n\nor… ban flights from china??", ">\n\nDoesn’t make sense in singling out China when covid is widespread in every single country", ">\n\nThe extent of covid in china atm is just absurd. Two weeks ago, they had 37 MILLION cases in one day. Think about that. Thats more people than a lot of countries! \nsource", ">\n\nI wonder why China has so much trouble with COVID compared to other countries, despite being so strict.", ">\n\nIt’s because they had the zero covid approaches that people are advocating for in this thread and they suddenly reversed course. Everyone in China is getting it so fast its likely the same variants quickly spreading in a population that suddenly reversed course. Having many people getting it over time and exposed to new generations of the virus (which is what happens over time) is more insidious but people here think thats fine", ">\n\nEveryone saying this is racist, do not pay attention to the world", ">\n\nIt was called racist and xenophobic when Trump did it. The left are hypocritical emotional wrecks.", ">\n\nnah trump was racist or did you forget he called it the “china virus” and subsequent hate crimes increased against adians", ">\n\nLet’s not change the subject. We’re talking about testing travelers from China here. Always trying to deflect.", ">\n\nIs that what he did, though? That and nothing else? This is a Fox News headline, but I bet there's a lot more to it. There usually is.\nFYI, Italy is also requiring testing of travelers from China at this time.\nBecause of the high number of cases in China at this time.", ">\n\nSo many dumb replies here. I am sad about where humankind is at.", ">\n\nRound two people", ">\n\nWe need to ramp up testing again at border.", ">\n\nChina trying to stop Covid…lol! Fail miserably at that, build a huge infected population, then unleash it on the world. Great job China /s", ">\n\nSell then the Moderna vaccine so they can treat themselves, ans end this debacle.", ">\n\nEven if US send Moderna and Phizer vaccine, China will not use it, because they boast about \"superior\" Chinese vaccine and don't want to lose face.\n​\nUntil they change their attitude, I suggest keeping restriction in place for PRC travelers.", ">\n\nOh definitely.", ">\n\nCCP exporting covid again." ]
> China has been in quarantine until the protests. They have a very low of vaccinated people, so now everyone's breathing on each other's necks, squeezing in tight places and now introducing another pandemic. I believe a combination of everyone quarantined for too long and non vaccinated people are making this a very deadly spread.
[ "People from China will travel through Europe and come in to America from the east coast like they did when the pandemic started. This will do nothing if all travelers aboard aren’t made to test.", ">\n\nLet's hope EU and other countries do the same.", ">\n\nI don't know if they will. Australia (for example) had some of the toughest Covid policies and they've essentially just thrown them all out the window.\nSo I don't know how willing countries are to go back to being overly concerned about Covid.", ">\n\nThey should be concerned w chinese, it's spreading like wildfire in china. If we aren't careful, they will come out w covid 20.", ">\n\nIt’s spreading everywhere including the USA. This policy has nothing to do with science or medicine. It’s just politics.", ">\n\nNo. It’s circulating like mad in a population of 1 billion people who haven’t been exposed before. This is how new variants come about. Every country should require negative Covid test for china at least until it cycles through the population", ">\n\n\nNo. It’s circulating like mad in a population of 1 billion people who haven’t been exposed before.\n\nIt's also spreading like mad in all the countries of the world including the USA.\n\nThis is how new variants come about. \n\nAnd they have been for years now.\n\nEvery country should require negative Covid test for china at least until it cycles through the population\n\nOnly for political reasons. There is no scientific or rational demand for this. \nI get it, you hate china, most americans hate china so just be honest and say what you really mean.", ">\n\nStrains are spreading in the west yes, but there are new strains in China that are spreading and we don't know if our vaccines will work with those strains. We know the Chinese vaccines have a low efficacy rate and we know they are not mRNA vaccines which allow for easier adaptation to new strains. Making travelers with a Chinese passport take Covid tests at any and all airports is not racist or even unfair - a reminder that China has been relatively hard to travel to for the last 2 years because they were locked down to foreign travel as well. This is simply good policy from a public health measure, and you not wanting to see that for what it is and instead attribute it to a nascent American hatred for China is laughable. the World Health Organization estimated close to 800 million new cases in China in the next few months, with another estimate 4 million deaths and countless new strains coming out during that period. This is about protection populations, not punishing China.", ">\n\n\nStrains are spreading in the west yes, but there are new strains in China that are spreading and we don't know if our vaccines will work with those strains.\n\nYou don't know if vaccines work against any new variant even if that variant is from a country populated with white people.\n\nWe know the Chinese vaccines have a low efficacy rate and we know they are not mRNA vaccines which allow for easier adaptation to new strains. \n\nThe vaccine doesn't adapt once inside of your body you know that right?\n\nMaking travelers with a Chinese passport take Covid tests at any and all airports is not racist or even unfair \n\nit's definitely unfair and probably racist as well.\n\nhis is simply good policy from a public health measure, a\n\nA good policy would be to require vaccinations from everybody. Think about it, you are requiring a vaccine that you said doesn't even work. How much sense does that make?\n\nattribute it to a nascent American hatred for China is laughable.\n\nNascent?\n\nThis is about protection populations, not punishing China.\n\nIt's definitely about punishing china, it's a part of the current cold war with China conducted by the USA.", ">\n\n\nYou don't know if vaccines work against any new variant even if that variant is from a country populated with white people.\n\nAll the more reason to not invite more new strains into the country. White population or otherwise has nothing to do with it, expected rise in cases in China does.\n\nThe vaccine doesn't adapt once inside of your body you know that right?\n\nYou missed the point. The point i was making was that the Chinese medical system has not even approached Covid with an mRNA vaccine, and steadfastly refused to license western vaccines. If the vaccine most readily available in China has a 50% efficacy then the population is at more risk of contracting the virus and having negative results. The infection rates are increased with each new case of BA.7 (China is currently seeing each covid patient infecting on average 18 other people represented as 1:18, whereas the in US the rate is 1:3.9). Each of these factors increases the risk of developing new strains that are vaccine resistant. \n\nit's definitely unfair and probably racist as well\n\nIs it your position that nations cannot take any prescriptive action to prevent the spread of infected persons from other countries? Again i would remind you that China has basically been locked down for the last 2 years, with severe limitations to personal freedoms themselves. This is not based on race, but rather a government's inability to contain a contagious outbreak in their own country and not wanting it to spread. \n\nA good policy would be to require vaccinations from everybody. Think about it, you are requiring a vaccine that you said doesn't even work. How much sense does that make?\n\nThat might be your definition on good policy, but it isn't mine and that isn't how the west does it. \"I\" am not requiring a vaccine that \"I\" said doesn't work - that was your suggestion not mine. Also, i said the efficacy of the Chinese vaccine is 50% - based on available information - i never said it didn't work, and i never said that it should be mandatory or required.\n\nNascent?\n\nPoor and wrong word choice on my part it seems. What i meant was ascribing the US decision to require testing of Chinese travelers to racism because you believe that the US is racist is laughable. Taking a test to prove that you are covid negative is far less onerous on a traveler than most visa requirements.\n\nIt's definitely about punishing china, it's a part of the current cold war with China conducted by the USA.\n\nCite your sources. I could point to many Chinese government policies that i could say are part of the current cold war with the US without backing it up and it would be just as credible as what you said. Opinion is not a source, and not proof. You assume that the US government is racist, that this policy is racist and yet we have had travel bans imposed on other countries, as well as testing required for travelers from other countries imposed before, and other policies and so has China. For goodness sake China has been closed to foreigners for almost 3 years, and is still closed to foreign travel until January 2023. Is that a racist policy as well?", ">\n\nHere we go again.\nThis time I think I'll learn French cooking.", ">\n\n5000 People a day will have to die before Anybody says the word Lock down in the States ever again.", ">\n\nDon’t understand why people can’t handle staying at home for two weeks when it could potentially eradicate a deadly virus. Are we that weak?", ">\n\nWe did that in large part in March 2020. And did China not spend years locking down their citizens? \nPeoples savings are gone. They need to work. \nWearing a mask would do a lot to help the issue but people aren’t willing to do that anymore.", ">\n\nWe didn't do that though. We didn't all lock down when we were supposed to. Where I work I had to go in from the very start all the way through. Most people, the majority of people, didn't stay home even if they didn't have work. Most people didn't fuck with masks or keeping a distance, and even people who weren't antivaccers didn't take the vaccine seriously for the longest time. \nWe had no fucking lock down, unless you were a well-off celebrity or comedian who wanted to talk about being locked down for content. \nIf people legit locked down, they would have taken a small hit financially, but too many people didn't do shit and prolonged everything.", ">\n\nThe things is that it doesn't take long to drain peoples saving - becuase the overwhelming majority of people have practically none. \nSo an extended lockdown was never feasible unless the government was willing to pay several trillion dollars of expenses, not just 2 or 3 times but several times over.", ">\n\nI didn't dispute any of what you said. I pointed out that most people actively contested any safety measure and most people didn't actually lock down. Any extension will almost certainly be the fault of most of those people. \nI'd gladly let them all die if it meant the few people who did take things seriously didn't have to live through a Walking Dead scenario or have to take a huge financial hit because them.", ">\n\nMost people did lock down just fine initially. After a few weeks turned into a month or more, yeah people got testy.\nAdditionally, a gigantic amount of people work in critical industries and simply cant stay home. Just keeping the lights and water on requires tens of millions of workers, plus industries like plants and refineries that simply cannot shut down without massive long-term consequences.\nReddit is full of office people who can WFH, the vast majority of people cant.", ">\n\nI was one of those who couldn't stay home. Right out of the gate most people gave up on almost all of it except when they were making a show of complying when they had to. There was a lot of cheating. I walk through a lot of different areas. The waves of patients and bodies we got at work tracked with that and became predictable.", ">\n\nWhat’s that saying that ends with ”…doomed to repeat it?”", ">\n\nWhy not just require a negative test from everyone?", ">\n\nWho would you expect to pay for that?", ">\n\nGovernments or sponsors from the private sector ideally, I honestly don’t give a fuck. I’ve gotten many free tests from both and I’ve also bought some for like $8.", ">\n\n“Here we go again” from everyone in the comments. \nThe virus never stopped, we did.", ">\n\nVirus will always be there. Permanent restrictions are unsustainable", ">\n\n3 years later...\nIs this permanent?", ">\n\nI doubt there's anything that would make Republicans running in 2024 happier then Democrats advocating for a return to COVID restrictions.", ">\n\nRight? It’d be like the democrats fighting for gun control, or gay and trans rights, or safe and legal abortions. It would be political suicide to stand for something that Republicans don’t like!", ">\n\nMy understanding is that everything you listed is broadly popular or has at least a majority of American's in favor of it. A return to COVID restrictions is not in that category.", ">\n\nGun control isn’t even universally loved amongst the American left, as the hard left needs them for protection from the hard right they clash with, and the middle left does like having their guns taken as much as any middle right wing does, only mid left likes it", ">\n\nGallup has 57% of Americans feeling that in general gun laws should be more strict.", ">\n\nRegular people want kids to stop dying while in school. The problem is \"stricter laws\" is vague and no one can agree on what it means or give a serious proposal that would work, short of confiscation and bans, which are wildly unpopular.", ">\n\nVague political talking points is the best we’re going to get. Much as I’d love a Ross Perot style of breaking down every platform and promise, the general public doesn’t go for it. Buzz words are all we have the attention span for.", ">\n\nChina's COVID-19 surge raises odds of new coronavirus variants\nThings could get very ugly.", ">\n\nYou say this like covid hasn't been spreading rampantly through literally every country on the planet, mostly without any measures to stop the spread. Why does China get a different treatment and maybe countries should require tests from the US or Inida or Europe?", ">\n\nI agree. US was primarily the culprit of why COVID went rampant to begin with. We actively refused to enforce any sort of safety measures, just a mild suggestion of \"maybe wear a mask, if you want to, it's ok if you don't\" and \"we have vaccines if you want one, no pressure tho\". That was really our response to the world's deadliest pandemic.", ">\n\nWe actively made fun of zero covid approaches on reddit and now based on the comments on this thread we are suddenly pro “zero covid” approaches", ">\n\nEveryone finally watched contagion", ">\n\nSo far my 2023 bingo card is reading alooot of skull and crossbones, I think I might actually win at something next year, what does your score card look like?", ">\n\nWhen’s that $1200 going to hit my account?", ">\n\nI’m still living off mine from last time!", ">\n\nI’m still looking for mine", ">\n\nI’m waiting for that $600 bucks from Biden still, but that’s going right into my retirement!", ">\n\nYou dont get he meant to include any money you already received as well /s", ">\n\nI seem to remember campaign ads with $2000 checks.", ">\n\nYep they explicitly mentioned $2,000 checks.", ">\n\nMy comment was sarcasm but in retrospect there are so many neoliberals saying that word for word in all seriousness that I should and will add a sarcasm tag", ">\n\nThat's nice and all, but let's not act like we're not just ignoring our own COVID problems.", ">\n\n\n\"You don't have zero tolerance anymore? We can't tolerate that.\"\n\n- Country with 100% tolerance", ">\n\nWhy not require a negative COVID test from everyone entering the country? It’s like they don’t want COVID to be under control.", ">\n\nI think this is because China has a relatively low vaccination rate because they relied on lock downs. Now that lock downs are being ramped down, they are having a huge surge.", ">\n\nThe vaccination rate in China is considerably higher than the US (92% vs 81%). This is just another example of yellow peril", ">\n\nThank you for pointing this out. What I said above was wrong about the vaccination rate. I don’t know why exactly China is having a surge. 🤷‍♂️", ">\n\nTheir vaccination rate is high but their vaccine, SinoVac is based on old tech. It conveys effectively zero protection from variants when compared to all the other types of vaccines on the market.", ">\n\nYou guys are so full of shit. At 3 doses Sinovac gives the same protection as any western vaccine with boosters to help mitigate mutated variants. Stop spreading misinfo.", ">\n\n\"Does that thumbnail of someone getting tested read too much like 'screaming uselessly into the void'?\"\n\"I'm sure it'll be fine.\"", ">\n\nMaybe, just maybe they shouldnt have stopped testing airplane passengers in the first place... \nWe have cheap, readily available tests that take 10 minutes to complete. There’s really no reason not to test ever passenger before boarding...", ">\n\nEveryone I know who had Omicron tested negative until their symptoms cleared. It was evading the RATs, for some reason.", ">\n\nI tested positive on a rapid test two days after getting congested. Every teacher coworker of mine who bothered to test after getting cold symptoms also did. I think it's why so few parents now test their kids before sending time to school sick. They don't want to know so we all find out when we or our family members then test positive, missing work on their sick kids' behalf so they didn't have to. \nI have also heard the rapid test can give false negatives but anecdotal references don't mean much.", ">\n\nA day late and a dollar short. Same old song and dance.", ">\n\nWow, it’s like history literally repeating itself.", ">\n\nIndeed it is. I hope everyone is prepared for what’s next.", ">\n\nWe should require negative COVID tests for people to fly within the US, too.\nIt makes no difference to me if the person who infects me at LAX is coming in from China, or from Texas.", ">\n\nThere is a high chance anyone that comes from China has Covid right now. Low chance that someone inside America has.", ">\n\nNaw. China’s percent is much higher, sure, but it’s not like US infection rates are low. You can pretty much guarantee an infected American on every sold out domestic flight. The latest variants are super, super contagious, and it only takes one infected person to pose a serious risk to the other people sharing their space, and then all of their families and friends after they land. All flights should still require testing and masking at this point, or all we’ve really accomplished is pacifying the dimwits and xenophobes.\nI know at least 3 people who 100% contracted COVID while flying domestically in the US this last month - because they were isolated for the incubation period beforehand. They were masked the entire time they were in the airport and on the plane.", ">\n\nIf they were masked up and I assume vaccinated and still caught the virus then preventable measures like these aren’t that effective.", ">\n\nIs there a new strain of Covid that isn't in the U.S yet, otherwise what's the point.", ">\n\nUm testing should not ever stop.", ">\n\nAh shit here we go again", ">\n\n\"Who left the fridge open?\"", ">\n\nIt's \"just a cold\" unless it's a non-white person from another country carrying it.\n/s", ">\n\nChina implemented an ineffective vaccine and had 30m+ cases in one day. It’s specifically that gov. refusing to use effective vaccines", ">\n\nAnd the United States had effective vaccines that half the country is not willing to nor willing to wear masks, while complaining to other countries like China about their travel restrictions (from China and Hong Kong). And honestly I’m not oppose to a tighter restriction on China while they are experiencing a surge in new cases just as it did with any other countries that initially loosen covid restrictions, what makes me question this being race or politically motivated is the hypocrisy; people complained about China being oppressive when it was enforcing all the covid restrictions and when they loosen it “China doesn’t care about human lives”.\nSo what exactly do you want them to do?", ">\n\n\nto Require Negative Covid Tests for Travelers From China\n\nLuckily China is well known for its systemic unwillingness to fake or counterfeit things, so everything should be fine.\nhonest.", ">\n\nSeems purely retaliatory with no actual effectiveness.\nEnforcement is over a week away and presumably China has hit its peak already (flights being 40% positive)", ">\n\nThe rich rats are going to buy fake tests and jump ship breaking quarantine just like they did in the first wave. Cutting flights or enforcing quarantines is the only way to prevent this stuff from jumping oceans but god forbid anybody inhibit the jet setters.", ">\n\nHALF of the passengers on a plane from China going to Italy tested positive the other day (tested on arrival). Chances are most if not all of them had negative test results they could show that they took before they left. This won't do anything to stop people coming into the US while positive..we are going to have to go through this all over again and we won't have the same somewhat cooperative response in the US this time if it is a variant that evades immunity... It will get REALLY bad.", ">\n\nSeriously they know red states will just let them in and will never do another shut down again. So start dealt with out break countries this way to slow it down or corner it. But I see very very bad days ahead for China and Russia is starting to report out breaks too.", ">\n\nMust. When?", ">\n\nWe already require this from canada iirc\nEdit: i was wrong, canada requires it from us.", ">\n\nI hope we are talking PCR tests... those store-bought 15-minute ones struggle to get a positive if you have any sort of vaccination, even while symptomatic and miserable.", ">\n\nWell, a little bit of good news. I'll take it.", ">\n\nTravel should have been 100$ restricted a long time ago. Travel should be restricted to any country experiencing a COVID outbreak.", ">\n\nWonderful. Another round of Asian hating.", ">\n\nWho's hating on Asians? We're trying to stop this virus from killing people.", ">\n\nor… ban flights from china??", ">\n\nDoesn’t make sense in singling out China when covid is widespread in every single country", ">\n\nThe extent of covid in china atm is just absurd. Two weeks ago, they had 37 MILLION cases in one day. Think about that. Thats more people than a lot of countries! \nsource", ">\n\nI wonder why China has so much trouble with COVID compared to other countries, despite being so strict.", ">\n\nIt’s because they had the zero covid approaches that people are advocating for in this thread and they suddenly reversed course. Everyone in China is getting it so fast its likely the same variants quickly spreading in a population that suddenly reversed course. Having many people getting it over time and exposed to new generations of the virus (which is what happens over time) is more insidious but people here think thats fine", ">\n\nEveryone saying this is racist, do not pay attention to the world", ">\n\nIt was called racist and xenophobic when Trump did it. The left are hypocritical emotional wrecks.", ">\n\nnah trump was racist or did you forget he called it the “china virus” and subsequent hate crimes increased against adians", ">\n\nLet’s not change the subject. We’re talking about testing travelers from China here. Always trying to deflect.", ">\n\nIs that what he did, though? That and nothing else? This is a Fox News headline, but I bet there's a lot more to it. There usually is.\nFYI, Italy is also requiring testing of travelers from China at this time.\nBecause of the high number of cases in China at this time.", ">\n\nSo many dumb replies here. I am sad about where humankind is at.", ">\n\nRound two people", ">\n\nWe need to ramp up testing again at border.", ">\n\nChina trying to stop Covid…lol! Fail miserably at that, build a huge infected population, then unleash it on the world. Great job China /s", ">\n\nSell then the Moderna vaccine so they can treat themselves, ans end this debacle.", ">\n\nEven if US send Moderna and Phizer vaccine, China will not use it, because they boast about \"superior\" Chinese vaccine and don't want to lose face.\n​\nUntil they change their attitude, I suggest keeping restriction in place for PRC travelers.", ">\n\nOh definitely.", ">\n\nCCP exporting covid again.", ">\n\nPaywall - can anyone help me read the article? It sounds great in theory but why wait so long? That’s how this all started in 2020. Test now!" ]
> Their vaccination rate is not too bad, except among the elderly. But their vaccine was shit even before all the variants. They've been trying to use lockdown to prevent spread and with the new variants that just won't work. So yeah, they're pretty fucked.
[ "People from China will travel through Europe and come in to America from the east coast like they did when the pandemic started. This will do nothing if all travelers aboard aren’t made to test.", ">\n\nLet's hope EU and other countries do the same.", ">\n\nI don't know if they will. Australia (for example) had some of the toughest Covid policies and they've essentially just thrown them all out the window.\nSo I don't know how willing countries are to go back to being overly concerned about Covid.", ">\n\nThey should be concerned w chinese, it's spreading like wildfire in china. If we aren't careful, they will come out w covid 20.", ">\n\nIt’s spreading everywhere including the USA. This policy has nothing to do with science or medicine. It’s just politics.", ">\n\nNo. It’s circulating like mad in a population of 1 billion people who haven’t been exposed before. This is how new variants come about. Every country should require negative Covid test for china at least until it cycles through the population", ">\n\n\nNo. It’s circulating like mad in a population of 1 billion people who haven’t been exposed before.\n\nIt's also spreading like mad in all the countries of the world including the USA.\n\nThis is how new variants come about. \n\nAnd they have been for years now.\n\nEvery country should require negative Covid test for china at least until it cycles through the population\n\nOnly for political reasons. There is no scientific or rational demand for this. \nI get it, you hate china, most americans hate china so just be honest and say what you really mean.", ">\n\nStrains are spreading in the west yes, but there are new strains in China that are spreading and we don't know if our vaccines will work with those strains. We know the Chinese vaccines have a low efficacy rate and we know they are not mRNA vaccines which allow for easier adaptation to new strains. Making travelers with a Chinese passport take Covid tests at any and all airports is not racist or even unfair - a reminder that China has been relatively hard to travel to for the last 2 years because they were locked down to foreign travel as well. This is simply good policy from a public health measure, and you not wanting to see that for what it is and instead attribute it to a nascent American hatred for China is laughable. the World Health Organization estimated close to 800 million new cases in China in the next few months, with another estimate 4 million deaths and countless new strains coming out during that period. This is about protection populations, not punishing China.", ">\n\n\nStrains are spreading in the west yes, but there are new strains in China that are spreading and we don't know if our vaccines will work with those strains.\n\nYou don't know if vaccines work against any new variant even if that variant is from a country populated with white people.\n\nWe know the Chinese vaccines have a low efficacy rate and we know they are not mRNA vaccines which allow for easier adaptation to new strains. \n\nThe vaccine doesn't adapt once inside of your body you know that right?\n\nMaking travelers with a Chinese passport take Covid tests at any and all airports is not racist or even unfair \n\nit's definitely unfair and probably racist as well.\n\nhis is simply good policy from a public health measure, a\n\nA good policy would be to require vaccinations from everybody. Think about it, you are requiring a vaccine that you said doesn't even work. How much sense does that make?\n\nattribute it to a nascent American hatred for China is laughable.\n\nNascent?\n\nThis is about protection populations, not punishing China.\n\nIt's definitely about punishing china, it's a part of the current cold war with China conducted by the USA.", ">\n\n\nYou don't know if vaccines work against any new variant even if that variant is from a country populated with white people.\n\nAll the more reason to not invite more new strains into the country. White population or otherwise has nothing to do with it, expected rise in cases in China does.\n\nThe vaccine doesn't adapt once inside of your body you know that right?\n\nYou missed the point. The point i was making was that the Chinese medical system has not even approached Covid with an mRNA vaccine, and steadfastly refused to license western vaccines. If the vaccine most readily available in China has a 50% efficacy then the population is at more risk of contracting the virus and having negative results. The infection rates are increased with each new case of BA.7 (China is currently seeing each covid patient infecting on average 18 other people represented as 1:18, whereas the in US the rate is 1:3.9). Each of these factors increases the risk of developing new strains that are vaccine resistant. \n\nit's definitely unfair and probably racist as well\n\nIs it your position that nations cannot take any prescriptive action to prevent the spread of infected persons from other countries? Again i would remind you that China has basically been locked down for the last 2 years, with severe limitations to personal freedoms themselves. This is not based on race, but rather a government's inability to contain a contagious outbreak in their own country and not wanting it to spread. \n\nA good policy would be to require vaccinations from everybody. Think about it, you are requiring a vaccine that you said doesn't even work. How much sense does that make?\n\nThat might be your definition on good policy, but it isn't mine and that isn't how the west does it. \"I\" am not requiring a vaccine that \"I\" said doesn't work - that was your suggestion not mine. Also, i said the efficacy of the Chinese vaccine is 50% - based on available information - i never said it didn't work, and i never said that it should be mandatory or required.\n\nNascent?\n\nPoor and wrong word choice on my part it seems. What i meant was ascribing the US decision to require testing of Chinese travelers to racism because you believe that the US is racist is laughable. Taking a test to prove that you are covid negative is far less onerous on a traveler than most visa requirements.\n\nIt's definitely about punishing china, it's a part of the current cold war with China conducted by the USA.\n\nCite your sources. I could point to many Chinese government policies that i could say are part of the current cold war with the US without backing it up and it would be just as credible as what you said. Opinion is not a source, and not proof. You assume that the US government is racist, that this policy is racist and yet we have had travel bans imposed on other countries, as well as testing required for travelers from other countries imposed before, and other policies and so has China. For goodness sake China has been closed to foreigners for almost 3 years, and is still closed to foreign travel until January 2023. Is that a racist policy as well?", ">\n\nHere we go again.\nThis time I think I'll learn French cooking.", ">\n\n5000 People a day will have to die before Anybody says the word Lock down in the States ever again.", ">\n\nDon’t understand why people can’t handle staying at home for two weeks when it could potentially eradicate a deadly virus. Are we that weak?", ">\n\nWe did that in large part in March 2020. And did China not spend years locking down their citizens? \nPeoples savings are gone. They need to work. \nWearing a mask would do a lot to help the issue but people aren’t willing to do that anymore.", ">\n\nWe didn't do that though. We didn't all lock down when we were supposed to. Where I work I had to go in from the very start all the way through. Most people, the majority of people, didn't stay home even if they didn't have work. Most people didn't fuck with masks or keeping a distance, and even people who weren't antivaccers didn't take the vaccine seriously for the longest time. \nWe had no fucking lock down, unless you were a well-off celebrity or comedian who wanted to talk about being locked down for content. \nIf people legit locked down, they would have taken a small hit financially, but too many people didn't do shit and prolonged everything.", ">\n\nThe things is that it doesn't take long to drain peoples saving - becuase the overwhelming majority of people have practically none. \nSo an extended lockdown was never feasible unless the government was willing to pay several trillion dollars of expenses, not just 2 or 3 times but several times over.", ">\n\nI didn't dispute any of what you said. I pointed out that most people actively contested any safety measure and most people didn't actually lock down. Any extension will almost certainly be the fault of most of those people. \nI'd gladly let them all die if it meant the few people who did take things seriously didn't have to live through a Walking Dead scenario or have to take a huge financial hit because them.", ">\n\nMost people did lock down just fine initially. After a few weeks turned into a month or more, yeah people got testy.\nAdditionally, a gigantic amount of people work in critical industries and simply cant stay home. Just keeping the lights and water on requires tens of millions of workers, plus industries like plants and refineries that simply cannot shut down without massive long-term consequences.\nReddit is full of office people who can WFH, the vast majority of people cant.", ">\n\nI was one of those who couldn't stay home. Right out of the gate most people gave up on almost all of it except when they were making a show of complying when they had to. There was a lot of cheating. I walk through a lot of different areas. The waves of patients and bodies we got at work tracked with that and became predictable.", ">\n\nWhat’s that saying that ends with ”…doomed to repeat it?”", ">\n\nWhy not just require a negative test from everyone?", ">\n\nWho would you expect to pay for that?", ">\n\nGovernments or sponsors from the private sector ideally, I honestly don’t give a fuck. I’ve gotten many free tests from both and I’ve also bought some for like $8.", ">\n\n“Here we go again” from everyone in the comments. \nThe virus never stopped, we did.", ">\n\nVirus will always be there. Permanent restrictions are unsustainable", ">\n\n3 years later...\nIs this permanent?", ">\n\nI doubt there's anything that would make Republicans running in 2024 happier then Democrats advocating for a return to COVID restrictions.", ">\n\nRight? It’d be like the democrats fighting for gun control, or gay and trans rights, or safe and legal abortions. It would be political suicide to stand for something that Republicans don’t like!", ">\n\nMy understanding is that everything you listed is broadly popular or has at least a majority of American's in favor of it. A return to COVID restrictions is not in that category.", ">\n\nGun control isn’t even universally loved amongst the American left, as the hard left needs them for protection from the hard right they clash with, and the middle left does like having their guns taken as much as any middle right wing does, only mid left likes it", ">\n\nGallup has 57% of Americans feeling that in general gun laws should be more strict.", ">\n\nRegular people want kids to stop dying while in school. The problem is \"stricter laws\" is vague and no one can agree on what it means or give a serious proposal that would work, short of confiscation and bans, which are wildly unpopular.", ">\n\nVague political talking points is the best we’re going to get. Much as I’d love a Ross Perot style of breaking down every platform and promise, the general public doesn’t go for it. Buzz words are all we have the attention span for.", ">\n\nChina's COVID-19 surge raises odds of new coronavirus variants\nThings could get very ugly.", ">\n\nYou say this like covid hasn't been spreading rampantly through literally every country on the planet, mostly without any measures to stop the spread. Why does China get a different treatment and maybe countries should require tests from the US or Inida or Europe?", ">\n\nI agree. US was primarily the culprit of why COVID went rampant to begin with. We actively refused to enforce any sort of safety measures, just a mild suggestion of \"maybe wear a mask, if you want to, it's ok if you don't\" and \"we have vaccines if you want one, no pressure tho\". That was really our response to the world's deadliest pandemic.", ">\n\nWe actively made fun of zero covid approaches on reddit and now based on the comments on this thread we are suddenly pro “zero covid” approaches", ">\n\nEveryone finally watched contagion", ">\n\nSo far my 2023 bingo card is reading alooot of skull and crossbones, I think I might actually win at something next year, what does your score card look like?", ">\n\nWhen’s that $1200 going to hit my account?", ">\n\nI’m still living off mine from last time!", ">\n\nI’m still looking for mine", ">\n\nI’m waiting for that $600 bucks from Biden still, but that’s going right into my retirement!", ">\n\nYou dont get he meant to include any money you already received as well /s", ">\n\nI seem to remember campaign ads with $2000 checks.", ">\n\nYep they explicitly mentioned $2,000 checks.", ">\n\nMy comment was sarcasm but in retrospect there are so many neoliberals saying that word for word in all seriousness that I should and will add a sarcasm tag", ">\n\nThat's nice and all, but let's not act like we're not just ignoring our own COVID problems.", ">\n\n\n\"You don't have zero tolerance anymore? We can't tolerate that.\"\n\n- Country with 100% tolerance", ">\n\nWhy not require a negative COVID test from everyone entering the country? It’s like they don’t want COVID to be under control.", ">\n\nI think this is because China has a relatively low vaccination rate because they relied on lock downs. Now that lock downs are being ramped down, they are having a huge surge.", ">\n\nThe vaccination rate in China is considerably higher than the US (92% vs 81%). This is just another example of yellow peril", ">\n\nThank you for pointing this out. What I said above was wrong about the vaccination rate. I don’t know why exactly China is having a surge. 🤷‍♂️", ">\n\nTheir vaccination rate is high but their vaccine, SinoVac is based on old tech. It conveys effectively zero protection from variants when compared to all the other types of vaccines on the market.", ">\n\nYou guys are so full of shit. At 3 doses Sinovac gives the same protection as any western vaccine with boosters to help mitigate mutated variants. Stop spreading misinfo.", ">\n\n\"Does that thumbnail of someone getting tested read too much like 'screaming uselessly into the void'?\"\n\"I'm sure it'll be fine.\"", ">\n\nMaybe, just maybe they shouldnt have stopped testing airplane passengers in the first place... \nWe have cheap, readily available tests that take 10 minutes to complete. There’s really no reason not to test ever passenger before boarding...", ">\n\nEveryone I know who had Omicron tested negative until their symptoms cleared. It was evading the RATs, for some reason.", ">\n\nI tested positive on a rapid test two days after getting congested. Every teacher coworker of mine who bothered to test after getting cold symptoms also did. I think it's why so few parents now test their kids before sending time to school sick. They don't want to know so we all find out when we or our family members then test positive, missing work on their sick kids' behalf so they didn't have to. \nI have also heard the rapid test can give false negatives but anecdotal references don't mean much.", ">\n\nA day late and a dollar short. Same old song and dance.", ">\n\nWow, it’s like history literally repeating itself.", ">\n\nIndeed it is. I hope everyone is prepared for what’s next.", ">\n\nWe should require negative COVID tests for people to fly within the US, too.\nIt makes no difference to me if the person who infects me at LAX is coming in from China, or from Texas.", ">\n\nThere is a high chance anyone that comes from China has Covid right now. Low chance that someone inside America has.", ">\n\nNaw. China’s percent is much higher, sure, but it’s not like US infection rates are low. You can pretty much guarantee an infected American on every sold out domestic flight. The latest variants are super, super contagious, and it only takes one infected person to pose a serious risk to the other people sharing their space, and then all of their families and friends after they land. All flights should still require testing and masking at this point, or all we’ve really accomplished is pacifying the dimwits and xenophobes.\nI know at least 3 people who 100% contracted COVID while flying domestically in the US this last month - because they were isolated for the incubation period beforehand. They were masked the entire time they were in the airport and on the plane.", ">\n\nIf they were masked up and I assume vaccinated and still caught the virus then preventable measures like these aren’t that effective.", ">\n\nIs there a new strain of Covid that isn't in the U.S yet, otherwise what's the point.", ">\n\nUm testing should not ever stop.", ">\n\nAh shit here we go again", ">\n\n\"Who left the fridge open?\"", ">\n\nIt's \"just a cold\" unless it's a non-white person from another country carrying it.\n/s", ">\n\nChina implemented an ineffective vaccine and had 30m+ cases in one day. It’s specifically that gov. refusing to use effective vaccines", ">\n\nAnd the United States had effective vaccines that half the country is not willing to nor willing to wear masks, while complaining to other countries like China about their travel restrictions (from China and Hong Kong). And honestly I’m not oppose to a tighter restriction on China while they are experiencing a surge in new cases just as it did with any other countries that initially loosen covid restrictions, what makes me question this being race or politically motivated is the hypocrisy; people complained about China being oppressive when it was enforcing all the covid restrictions and when they loosen it “China doesn’t care about human lives”.\nSo what exactly do you want them to do?", ">\n\n\nto Require Negative Covid Tests for Travelers From China\n\nLuckily China is well known for its systemic unwillingness to fake or counterfeit things, so everything should be fine.\nhonest.", ">\n\nSeems purely retaliatory with no actual effectiveness.\nEnforcement is over a week away and presumably China has hit its peak already (flights being 40% positive)", ">\n\nThe rich rats are going to buy fake tests and jump ship breaking quarantine just like they did in the first wave. Cutting flights or enforcing quarantines is the only way to prevent this stuff from jumping oceans but god forbid anybody inhibit the jet setters.", ">\n\nHALF of the passengers on a plane from China going to Italy tested positive the other day (tested on arrival). Chances are most if not all of them had negative test results they could show that they took before they left. This won't do anything to stop people coming into the US while positive..we are going to have to go through this all over again and we won't have the same somewhat cooperative response in the US this time if it is a variant that evades immunity... It will get REALLY bad.", ">\n\nSeriously they know red states will just let them in and will never do another shut down again. So start dealt with out break countries this way to slow it down or corner it. But I see very very bad days ahead for China and Russia is starting to report out breaks too.", ">\n\nMust. When?", ">\n\nWe already require this from canada iirc\nEdit: i was wrong, canada requires it from us.", ">\n\nI hope we are talking PCR tests... those store-bought 15-minute ones struggle to get a positive if you have any sort of vaccination, even while symptomatic and miserable.", ">\n\nWell, a little bit of good news. I'll take it.", ">\n\nTravel should have been 100$ restricted a long time ago. Travel should be restricted to any country experiencing a COVID outbreak.", ">\n\nWonderful. Another round of Asian hating.", ">\n\nWho's hating on Asians? We're trying to stop this virus from killing people.", ">\n\nor… ban flights from china??", ">\n\nDoesn’t make sense in singling out China when covid is widespread in every single country", ">\n\nThe extent of covid in china atm is just absurd. Two weeks ago, they had 37 MILLION cases in one day. Think about that. Thats more people than a lot of countries! \nsource", ">\n\nI wonder why China has so much trouble with COVID compared to other countries, despite being so strict.", ">\n\nIt’s because they had the zero covid approaches that people are advocating for in this thread and they suddenly reversed course. Everyone in China is getting it so fast its likely the same variants quickly spreading in a population that suddenly reversed course. Having many people getting it over time and exposed to new generations of the virus (which is what happens over time) is more insidious but people here think thats fine", ">\n\nEveryone saying this is racist, do not pay attention to the world", ">\n\nIt was called racist and xenophobic when Trump did it. The left are hypocritical emotional wrecks.", ">\n\nnah trump was racist or did you forget he called it the “china virus” and subsequent hate crimes increased against adians", ">\n\nLet’s not change the subject. We’re talking about testing travelers from China here. Always trying to deflect.", ">\n\nIs that what he did, though? That and nothing else? This is a Fox News headline, but I bet there's a lot more to it. There usually is.\nFYI, Italy is also requiring testing of travelers from China at this time.\nBecause of the high number of cases in China at this time.", ">\n\nSo many dumb replies here. I am sad about where humankind is at.", ">\n\nRound two people", ">\n\nWe need to ramp up testing again at border.", ">\n\nChina trying to stop Covid…lol! Fail miserably at that, build a huge infected population, then unleash it on the world. Great job China /s", ">\n\nSell then the Moderna vaccine so they can treat themselves, ans end this debacle.", ">\n\nEven if US send Moderna and Phizer vaccine, China will not use it, because they boast about \"superior\" Chinese vaccine and don't want to lose face.\n​\nUntil they change their attitude, I suggest keeping restriction in place for PRC travelers.", ">\n\nOh definitely.", ">\n\nCCP exporting covid again.", ">\n\nPaywall - can anyone help me read the article? It sounds great in theory but why wait so long? That’s how this all started in 2020. Test now!", ">\n\nChina has been in quarantine until the protests. They have a very low of vaccinated people, so now everyone's breathing on each other's necks, squeezing in tight places and now introducing another pandemic. \nI believe a combination of everyone quarantined for too long and non vaccinated people are making this a very deadly spread." ]
> Vaccination rate is good, but the rate of people who are up to date on boosters is where they fall short even beyond just the elderly. It also doesn't help that the vaccine being used is overall less effective than the ones being used elsewhere like you said. Makes those booster shots many are lacking even more critical.
[ "People from China will travel through Europe and come in to America from the east coast like they did when the pandemic started. This will do nothing if all travelers aboard aren’t made to test.", ">\n\nLet's hope EU and other countries do the same.", ">\n\nI don't know if they will. Australia (for example) had some of the toughest Covid policies and they've essentially just thrown them all out the window.\nSo I don't know how willing countries are to go back to being overly concerned about Covid.", ">\n\nThey should be concerned w chinese, it's spreading like wildfire in china. If we aren't careful, they will come out w covid 20.", ">\n\nIt’s spreading everywhere including the USA. This policy has nothing to do with science or medicine. It’s just politics.", ">\n\nNo. It’s circulating like mad in a population of 1 billion people who haven’t been exposed before. This is how new variants come about. Every country should require negative Covid test for china at least until it cycles through the population", ">\n\n\nNo. It’s circulating like mad in a population of 1 billion people who haven’t been exposed before.\n\nIt's also spreading like mad in all the countries of the world including the USA.\n\nThis is how new variants come about. \n\nAnd they have been for years now.\n\nEvery country should require negative Covid test for china at least until it cycles through the population\n\nOnly for political reasons. There is no scientific or rational demand for this. \nI get it, you hate china, most americans hate china so just be honest and say what you really mean.", ">\n\nStrains are spreading in the west yes, but there are new strains in China that are spreading and we don't know if our vaccines will work with those strains. We know the Chinese vaccines have a low efficacy rate and we know they are not mRNA vaccines which allow for easier adaptation to new strains. Making travelers with a Chinese passport take Covid tests at any and all airports is not racist or even unfair - a reminder that China has been relatively hard to travel to for the last 2 years because they were locked down to foreign travel as well. This is simply good policy from a public health measure, and you not wanting to see that for what it is and instead attribute it to a nascent American hatred for China is laughable. the World Health Organization estimated close to 800 million new cases in China in the next few months, with another estimate 4 million deaths and countless new strains coming out during that period. This is about protection populations, not punishing China.", ">\n\n\nStrains are spreading in the west yes, but there are new strains in China that are spreading and we don't know if our vaccines will work with those strains.\n\nYou don't know if vaccines work against any new variant even if that variant is from a country populated with white people.\n\nWe know the Chinese vaccines have a low efficacy rate and we know they are not mRNA vaccines which allow for easier adaptation to new strains. \n\nThe vaccine doesn't adapt once inside of your body you know that right?\n\nMaking travelers with a Chinese passport take Covid tests at any and all airports is not racist or even unfair \n\nit's definitely unfair and probably racist as well.\n\nhis is simply good policy from a public health measure, a\n\nA good policy would be to require vaccinations from everybody. Think about it, you are requiring a vaccine that you said doesn't even work. How much sense does that make?\n\nattribute it to a nascent American hatred for China is laughable.\n\nNascent?\n\nThis is about protection populations, not punishing China.\n\nIt's definitely about punishing china, it's a part of the current cold war with China conducted by the USA.", ">\n\n\nYou don't know if vaccines work against any new variant even if that variant is from a country populated with white people.\n\nAll the more reason to not invite more new strains into the country. White population or otherwise has nothing to do with it, expected rise in cases in China does.\n\nThe vaccine doesn't adapt once inside of your body you know that right?\n\nYou missed the point. The point i was making was that the Chinese medical system has not even approached Covid with an mRNA vaccine, and steadfastly refused to license western vaccines. If the vaccine most readily available in China has a 50% efficacy then the population is at more risk of contracting the virus and having negative results. The infection rates are increased with each new case of BA.7 (China is currently seeing each covid patient infecting on average 18 other people represented as 1:18, whereas the in US the rate is 1:3.9). Each of these factors increases the risk of developing new strains that are vaccine resistant. \n\nit's definitely unfair and probably racist as well\n\nIs it your position that nations cannot take any prescriptive action to prevent the spread of infected persons from other countries? Again i would remind you that China has basically been locked down for the last 2 years, with severe limitations to personal freedoms themselves. This is not based on race, but rather a government's inability to contain a contagious outbreak in their own country and not wanting it to spread. \n\nA good policy would be to require vaccinations from everybody. Think about it, you are requiring a vaccine that you said doesn't even work. How much sense does that make?\n\nThat might be your definition on good policy, but it isn't mine and that isn't how the west does it. \"I\" am not requiring a vaccine that \"I\" said doesn't work - that was your suggestion not mine. Also, i said the efficacy of the Chinese vaccine is 50% - based on available information - i never said it didn't work, and i never said that it should be mandatory or required.\n\nNascent?\n\nPoor and wrong word choice on my part it seems. What i meant was ascribing the US decision to require testing of Chinese travelers to racism because you believe that the US is racist is laughable. Taking a test to prove that you are covid negative is far less onerous on a traveler than most visa requirements.\n\nIt's definitely about punishing china, it's a part of the current cold war with China conducted by the USA.\n\nCite your sources. I could point to many Chinese government policies that i could say are part of the current cold war with the US without backing it up and it would be just as credible as what you said. Opinion is not a source, and not proof. You assume that the US government is racist, that this policy is racist and yet we have had travel bans imposed on other countries, as well as testing required for travelers from other countries imposed before, and other policies and so has China. For goodness sake China has been closed to foreigners for almost 3 years, and is still closed to foreign travel until January 2023. Is that a racist policy as well?", ">\n\nHere we go again.\nThis time I think I'll learn French cooking.", ">\n\n5000 People a day will have to die before Anybody says the word Lock down in the States ever again.", ">\n\nDon’t understand why people can’t handle staying at home for two weeks when it could potentially eradicate a deadly virus. Are we that weak?", ">\n\nWe did that in large part in March 2020. And did China not spend years locking down their citizens? \nPeoples savings are gone. They need to work. \nWearing a mask would do a lot to help the issue but people aren’t willing to do that anymore.", ">\n\nWe didn't do that though. We didn't all lock down when we were supposed to. Where I work I had to go in from the very start all the way through. Most people, the majority of people, didn't stay home even if they didn't have work. Most people didn't fuck with masks or keeping a distance, and even people who weren't antivaccers didn't take the vaccine seriously for the longest time. \nWe had no fucking lock down, unless you were a well-off celebrity or comedian who wanted to talk about being locked down for content. \nIf people legit locked down, they would have taken a small hit financially, but too many people didn't do shit and prolonged everything.", ">\n\nThe things is that it doesn't take long to drain peoples saving - becuase the overwhelming majority of people have practically none. \nSo an extended lockdown was never feasible unless the government was willing to pay several trillion dollars of expenses, not just 2 or 3 times but several times over.", ">\n\nI didn't dispute any of what you said. I pointed out that most people actively contested any safety measure and most people didn't actually lock down. Any extension will almost certainly be the fault of most of those people. \nI'd gladly let them all die if it meant the few people who did take things seriously didn't have to live through a Walking Dead scenario or have to take a huge financial hit because them.", ">\n\nMost people did lock down just fine initially. After a few weeks turned into a month or more, yeah people got testy.\nAdditionally, a gigantic amount of people work in critical industries and simply cant stay home. Just keeping the lights and water on requires tens of millions of workers, plus industries like plants and refineries that simply cannot shut down without massive long-term consequences.\nReddit is full of office people who can WFH, the vast majority of people cant.", ">\n\nI was one of those who couldn't stay home. Right out of the gate most people gave up on almost all of it except when they were making a show of complying when they had to. There was a lot of cheating. I walk through a lot of different areas. The waves of patients and bodies we got at work tracked with that and became predictable.", ">\n\nWhat’s that saying that ends with ”…doomed to repeat it?”", ">\n\nWhy not just require a negative test from everyone?", ">\n\nWho would you expect to pay for that?", ">\n\nGovernments or sponsors from the private sector ideally, I honestly don’t give a fuck. I’ve gotten many free tests from both and I’ve also bought some for like $8.", ">\n\n“Here we go again” from everyone in the comments. \nThe virus never stopped, we did.", ">\n\nVirus will always be there. Permanent restrictions are unsustainable", ">\n\n3 years later...\nIs this permanent?", ">\n\nI doubt there's anything that would make Republicans running in 2024 happier then Democrats advocating for a return to COVID restrictions.", ">\n\nRight? It’d be like the democrats fighting for gun control, or gay and trans rights, or safe and legal abortions. It would be political suicide to stand for something that Republicans don’t like!", ">\n\nMy understanding is that everything you listed is broadly popular or has at least a majority of American's in favor of it. A return to COVID restrictions is not in that category.", ">\n\nGun control isn’t even universally loved amongst the American left, as the hard left needs them for protection from the hard right they clash with, and the middle left does like having their guns taken as much as any middle right wing does, only mid left likes it", ">\n\nGallup has 57% of Americans feeling that in general gun laws should be more strict.", ">\n\nRegular people want kids to stop dying while in school. The problem is \"stricter laws\" is vague and no one can agree on what it means or give a serious proposal that would work, short of confiscation and bans, which are wildly unpopular.", ">\n\nVague political talking points is the best we’re going to get. Much as I’d love a Ross Perot style of breaking down every platform and promise, the general public doesn’t go for it. Buzz words are all we have the attention span for.", ">\n\nChina's COVID-19 surge raises odds of new coronavirus variants\nThings could get very ugly.", ">\n\nYou say this like covid hasn't been spreading rampantly through literally every country on the planet, mostly without any measures to stop the spread. Why does China get a different treatment and maybe countries should require tests from the US or Inida or Europe?", ">\n\nI agree. US was primarily the culprit of why COVID went rampant to begin with. We actively refused to enforce any sort of safety measures, just a mild suggestion of \"maybe wear a mask, if you want to, it's ok if you don't\" and \"we have vaccines if you want one, no pressure tho\". That was really our response to the world's deadliest pandemic.", ">\n\nWe actively made fun of zero covid approaches on reddit and now based on the comments on this thread we are suddenly pro “zero covid” approaches", ">\n\nEveryone finally watched contagion", ">\n\nSo far my 2023 bingo card is reading alooot of skull and crossbones, I think I might actually win at something next year, what does your score card look like?", ">\n\nWhen’s that $1200 going to hit my account?", ">\n\nI’m still living off mine from last time!", ">\n\nI’m still looking for mine", ">\n\nI’m waiting for that $600 bucks from Biden still, but that’s going right into my retirement!", ">\n\nYou dont get he meant to include any money you already received as well /s", ">\n\nI seem to remember campaign ads with $2000 checks.", ">\n\nYep they explicitly mentioned $2,000 checks.", ">\n\nMy comment was sarcasm but in retrospect there are so many neoliberals saying that word for word in all seriousness that I should and will add a sarcasm tag", ">\n\nThat's nice and all, but let's not act like we're not just ignoring our own COVID problems.", ">\n\n\n\"You don't have zero tolerance anymore? We can't tolerate that.\"\n\n- Country with 100% tolerance", ">\n\nWhy not require a negative COVID test from everyone entering the country? It’s like they don’t want COVID to be under control.", ">\n\nI think this is because China has a relatively low vaccination rate because they relied on lock downs. Now that lock downs are being ramped down, they are having a huge surge.", ">\n\nThe vaccination rate in China is considerably higher than the US (92% vs 81%). This is just another example of yellow peril", ">\n\nThank you for pointing this out. What I said above was wrong about the vaccination rate. I don’t know why exactly China is having a surge. 🤷‍♂️", ">\n\nTheir vaccination rate is high but their vaccine, SinoVac is based on old tech. It conveys effectively zero protection from variants when compared to all the other types of vaccines on the market.", ">\n\nYou guys are so full of shit. At 3 doses Sinovac gives the same protection as any western vaccine with boosters to help mitigate mutated variants. Stop spreading misinfo.", ">\n\n\"Does that thumbnail of someone getting tested read too much like 'screaming uselessly into the void'?\"\n\"I'm sure it'll be fine.\"", ">\n\nMaybe, just maybe they shouldnt have stopped testing airplane passengers in the first place... \nWe have cheap, readily available tests that take 10 minutes to complete. There’s really no reason not to test ever passenger before boarding...", ">\n\nEveryone I know who had Omicron tested negative until their symptoms cleared. It was evading the RATs, for some reason.", ">\n\nI tested positive on a rapid test two days after getting congested. Every teacher coworker of mine who bothered to test after getting cold symptoms also did. I think it's why so few parents now test their kids before sending time to school sick. They don't want to know so we all find out when we or our family members then test positive, missing work on their sick kids' behalf so they didn't have to. \nI have also heard the rapid test can give false negatives but anecdotal references don't mean much.", ">\n\nA day late and a dollar short. Same old song and dance.", ">\n\nWow, it’s like history literally repeating itself.", ">\n\nIndeed it is. I hope everyone is prepared for what’s next.", ">\n\nWe should require negative COVID tests for people to fly within the US, too.\nIt makes no difference to me if the person who infects me at LAX is coming in from China, or from Texas.", ">\n\nThere is a high chance anyone that comes from China has Covid right now. Low chance that someone inside America has.", ">\n\nNaw. China’s percent is much higher, sure, but it’s not like US infection rates are low. You can pretty much guarantee an infected American on every sold out domestic flight. The latest variants are super, super contagious, and it only takes one infected person to pose a serious risk to the other people sharing their space, and then all of their families and friends after they land. All flights should still require testing and masking at this point, or all we’ve really accomplished is pacifying the dimwits and xenophobes.\nI know at least 3 people who 100% contracted COVID while flying domestically in the US this last month - because they were isolated for the incubation period beforehand. They were masked the entire time they were in the airport and on the plane.", ">\n\nIf they were masked up and I assume vaccinated and still caught the virus then preventable measures like these aren’t that effective.", ">\n\nIs there a new strain of Covid that isn't in the U.S yet, otherwise what's the point.", ">\n\nUm testing should not ever stop.", ">\n\nAh shit here we go again", ">\n\n\"Who left the fridge open?\"", ">\n\nIt's \"just a cold\" unless it's a non-white person from another country carrying it.\n/s", ">\n\nChina implemented an ineffective vaccine and had 30m+ cases in one day. It’s specifically that gov. refusing to use effective vaccines", ">\n\nAnd the United States had effective vaccines that half the country is not willing to nor willing to wear masks, while complaining to other countries like China about their travel restrictions (from China and Hong Kong). And honestly I’m not oppose to a tighter restriction on China while they are experiencing a surge in new cases just as it did with any other countries that initially loosen covid restrictions, what makes me question this being race or politically motivated is the hypocrisy; people complained about China being oppressive when it was enforcing all the covid restrictions and when they loosen it “China doesn’t care about human lives”.\nSo what exactly do you want them to do?", ">\n\n\nto Require Negative Covid Tests for Travelers From China\n\nLuckily China is well known for its systemic unwillingness to fake or counterfeit things, so everything should be fine.\nhonest.", ">\n\nSeems purely retaliatory with no actual effectiveness.\nEnforcement is over a week away and presumably China has hit its peak already (flights being 40% positive)", ">\n\nThe rich rats are going to buy fake tests and jump ship breaking quarantine just like they did in the first wave. Cutting flights or enforcing quarantines is the only way to prevent this stuff from jumping oceans but god forbid anybody inhibit the jet setters.", ">\n\nHALF of the passengers on a plane from China going to Italy tested positive the other day (tested on arrival). Chances are most if not all of them had negative test results they could show that they took before they left. This won't do anything to stop people coming into the US while positive..we are going to have to go through this all over again and we won't have the same somewhat cooperative response in the US this time if it is a variant that evades immunity... It will get REALLY bad.", ">\n\nSeriously they know red states will just let them in and will never do another shut down again. So start dealt with out break countries this way to slow it down or corner it. But I see very very bad days ahead for China and Russia is starting to report out breaks too.", ">\n\nMust. When?", ">\n\nWe already require this from canada iirc\nEdit: i was wrong, canada requires it from us.", ">\n\nI hope we are talking PCR tests... those store-bought 15-minute ones struggle to get a positive if you have any sort of vaccination, even while symptomatic and miserable.", ">\n\nWell, a little bit of good news. I'll take it.", ">\n\nTravel should have been 100$ restricted a long time ago. Travel should be restricted to any country experiencing a COVID outbreak.", ">\n\nWonderful. Another round of Asian hating.", ">\n\nWho's hating on Asians? We're trying to stop this virus from killing people.", ">\n\nor… ban flights from china??", ">\n\nDoesn’t make sense in singling out China when covid is widespread in every single country", ">\n\nThe extent of covid in china atm is just absurd. Two weeks ago, they had 37 MILLION cases in one day. Think about that. Thats more people than a lot of countries! \nsource", ">\n\nI wonder why China has so much trouble with COVID compared to other countries, despite being so strict.", ">\n\nIt’s because they had the zero covid approaches that people are advocating for in this thread and they suddenly reversed course. Everyone in China is getting it so fast its likely the same variants quickly spreading in a population that suddenly reversed course. Having many people getting it over time and exposed to new generations of the virus (which is what happens over time) is more insidious but people here think thats fine", ">\n\nEveryone saying this is racist, do not pay attention to the world", ">\n\nIt was called racist and xenophobic when Trump did it. The left are hypocritical emotional wrecks.", ">\n\nnah trump was racist or did you forget he called it the “china virus” and subsequent hate crimes increased against adians", ">\n\nLet’s not change the subject. We’re talking about testing travelers from China here. Always trying to deflect.", ">\n\nIs that what he did, though? That and nothing else? This is a Fox News headline, but I bet there's a lot more to it. There usually is.\nFYI, Italy is also requiring testing of travelers from China at this time.\nBecause of the high number of cases in China at this time.", ">\n\nSo many dumb replies here. I am sad about where humankind is at.", ">\n\nRound two people", ">\n\nWe need to ramp up testing again at border.", ">\n\nChina trying to stop Covid…lol! Fail miserably at that, build a huge infected population, then unleash it on the world. Great job China /s", ">\n\nSell then the Moderna vaccine so they can treat themselves, ans end this debacle.", ">\n\nEven if US send Moderna and Phizer vaccine, China will not use it, because they boast about \"superior\" Chinese vaccine and don't want to lose face.\n​\nUntil they change their attitude, I suggest keeping restriction in place for PRC travelers.", ">\n\nOh definitely.", ">\n\nCCP exporting covid again.", ">\n\nPaywall - can anyone help me read the article? It sounds great in theory but why wait so long? That’s how this all started in 2020. Test now!", ">\n\nChina has been in quarantine until the protests. They have a very low of vaccinated people, so now everyone's breathing on each other's necks, squeezing in tight places and now introducing another pandemic. \nI believe a combination of everyone quarantined for too long and non vaccinated people are making this a very deadly spread.", ">\n\nTheir vaccination rate is not too bad, except among the elderly. But their vaccine was shit even before all the variants.\nThey've been trying to use lockdown to prevent spread and with the new variants that just won't work.\nSo yeah, they're pretty fucked." ]
> Apparently Americans only get worried when it’s Chinese people spreading Covid as opposed to their own residents, citizens and Europeans.
[ "People from China will travel through Europe and come in to America from the east coast like they did when the pandemic started. This will do nothing if all travelers aboard aren’t made to test.", ">\n\nLet's hope EU and other countries do the same.", ">\n\nI don't know if they will. Australia (for example) had some of the toughest Covid policies and they've essentially just thrown them all out the window.\nSo I don't know how willing countries are to go back to being overly concerned about Covid.", ">\n\nThey should be concerned w chinese, it's spreading like wildfire in china. If we aren't careful, they will come out w covid 20.", ">\n\nIt’s spreading everywhere including the USA. This policy has nothing to do with science or medicine. It’s just politics.", ">\n\nNo. It’s circulating like mad in a population of 1 billion people who haven’t been exposed before. This is how new variants come about. Every country should require negative Covid test for china at least until it cycles through the population", ">\n\n\nNo. It’s circulating like mad in a population of 1 billion people who haven’t been exposed before.\n\nIt's also spreading like mad in all the countries of the world including the USA.\n\nThis is how new variants come about. \n\nAnd they have been for years now.\n\nEvery country should require negative Covid test for china at least until it cycles through the population\n\nOnly for political reasons. There is no scientific or rational demand for this. \nI get it, you hate china, most americans hate china so just be honest and say what you really mean.", ">\n\nStrains are spreading in the west yes, but there are new strains in China that are spreading and we don't know if our vaccines will work with those strains. We know the Chinese vaccines have a low efficacy rate and we know they are not mRNA vaccines which allow for easier adaptation to new strains. Making travelers with a Chinese passport take Covid tests at any and all airports is not racist or even unfair - a reminder that China has been relatively hard to travel to for the last 2 years because they were locked down to foreign travel as well. This is simply good policy from a public health measure, and you not wanting to see that for what it is and instead attribute it to a nascent American hatred for China is laughable. the World Health Organization estimated close to 800 million new cases in China in the next few months, with another estimate 4 million deaths and countless new strains coming out during that period. This is about protection populations, not punishing China.", ">\n\n\nStrains are spreading in the west yes, but there are new strains in China that are spreading and we don't know if our vaccines will work with those strains.\n\nYou don't know if vaccines work against any new variant even if that variant is from a country populated with white people.\n\nWe know the Chinese vaccines have a low efficacy rate and we know they are not mRNA vaccines which allow for easier adaptation to new strains. \n\nThe vaccine doesn't adapt once inside of your body you know that right?\n\nMaking travelers with a Chinese passport take Covid tests at any and all airports is not racist or even unfair \n\nit's definitely unfair and probably racist as well.\n\nhis is simply good policy from a public health measure, a\n\nA good policy would be to require vaccinations from everybody. Think about it, you are requiring a vaccine that you said doesn't even work. How much sense does that make?\n\nattribute it to a nascent American hatred for China is laughable.\n\nNascent?\n\nThis is about protection populations, not punishing China.\n\nIt's definitely about punishing china, it's a part of the current cold war with China conducted by the USA.", ">\n\n\nYou don't know if vaccines work against any new variant even if that variant is from a country populated with white people.\n\nAll the more reason to not invite more new strains into the country. White population or otherwise has nothing to do with it, expected rise in cases in China does.\n\nThe vaccine doesn't adapt once inside of your body you know that right?\n\nYou missed the point. The point i was making was that the Chinese medical system has not even approached Covid with an mRNA vaccine, and steadfastly refused to license western vaccines. If the vaccine most readily available in China has a 50% efficacy then the population is at more risk of contracting the virus and having negative results. The infection rates are increased with each new case of BA.7 (China is currently seeing each covid patient infecting on average 18 other people represented as 1:18, whereas the in US the rate is 1:3.9). Each of these factors increases the risk of developing new strains that are vaccine resistant. \n\nit's definitely unfair and probably racist as well\n\nIs it your position that nations cannot take any prescriptive action to prevent the spread of infected persons from other countries? Again i would remind you that China has basically been locked down for the last 2 years, with severe limitations to personal freedoms themselves. This is not based on race, but rather a government's inability to contain a contagious outbreak in their own country and not wanting it to spread. \n\nA good policy would be to require vaccinations from everybody. Think about it, you are requiring a vaccine that you said doesn't even work. How much sense does that make?\n\nThat might be your definition on good policy, but it isn't mine and that isn't how the west does it. \"I\" am not requiring a vaccine that \"I\" said doesn't work - that was your suggestion not mine. Also, i said the efficacy of the Chinese vaccine is 50% - based on available information - i never said it didn't work, and i never said that it should be mandatory or required.\n\nNascent?\n\nPoor and wrong word choice on my part it seems. What i meant was ascribing the US decision to require testing of Chinese travelers to racism because you believe that the US is racist is laughable. Taking a test to prove that you are covid negative is far less onerous on a traveler than most visa requirements.\n\nIt's definitely about punishing china, it's a part of the current cold war with China conducted by the USA.\n\nCite your sources. I could point to many Chinese government policies that i could say are part of the current cold war with the US without backing it up and it would be just as credible as what you said. Opinion is not a source, and not proof. You assume that the US government is racist, that this policy is racist and yet we have had travel bans imposed on other countries, as well as testing required for travelers from other countries imposed before, and other policies and so has China. For goodness sake China has been closed to foreigners for almost 3 years, and is still closed to foreign travel until January 2023. Is that a racist policy as well?", ">\n\nHere we go again.\nThis time I think I'll learn French cooking.", ">\n\n5000 People a day will have to die before Anybody says the word Lock down in the States ever again.", ">\n\nDon’t understand why people can’t handle staying at home for two weeks when it could potentially eradicate a deadly virus. Are we that weak?", ">\n\nWe did that in large part in March 2020. And did China not spend years locking down their citizens? \nPeoples savings are gone. They need to work. \nWearing a mask would do a lot to help the issue but people aren’t willing to do that anymore.", ">\n\nWe didn't do that though. We didn't all lock down when we were supposed to. Where I work I had to go in from the very start all the way through. Most people, the majority of people, didn't stay home even if they didn't have work. Most people didn't fuck with masks or keeping a distance, and even people who weren't antivaccers didn't take the vaccine seriously for the longest time. \nWe had no fucking lock down, unless you were a well-off celebrity or comedian who wanted to talk about being locked down for content. \nIf people legit locked down, they would have taken a small hit financially, but too many people didn't do shit and prolonged everything.", ">\n\nThe things is that it doesn't take long to drain peoples saving - becuase the overwhelming majority of people have practically none. \nSo an extended lockdown was never feasible unless the government was willing to pay several trillion dollars of expenses, not just 2 or 3 times but several times over.", ">\n\nI didn't dispute any of what you said. I pointed out that most people actively contested any safety measure and most people didn't actually lock down. Any extension will almost certainly be the fault of most of those people. \nI'd gladly let them all die if it meant the few people who did take things seriously didn't have to live through a Walking Dead scenario or have to take a huge financial hit because them.", ">\n\nMost people did lock down just fine initially. After a few weeks turned into a month or more, yeah people got testy.\nAdditionally, a gigantic amount of people work in critical industries and simply cant stay home. Just keeping the lights and water on requires tens of millions of workers, plus industries like plants and refineries that simply cannot shut down without massive long-term consequences.\nReddit is full of office people who can WFH, the vast majority of people cant.", ">\n\nI was one of those who couldn't stay home. Right out of the gate most people gave up on almost all of it except when they were making a show of complying when they had to. There was a lot of cheating. I walk through a lot of different areas. The waves of patients and bodies we got at work tracked with that and became predictable.", ">\n\nWhat’s that saying that ends with ”…doomed to repeat it?”", ">\n\nWhy not just require a negative test from everyone?", ">\n\nWho would you expect to pay for that?", ">\n\nGovernments or sponsors from the private sector ideally, I honestly don’t give a fuck. I’ve gotten many free tests from both and I’ve also bought some for like $8.", ">\n\n“Here we go again” from everyone in the comments. \nThe virus never stopped, we did.", ">\n\nVirus will always be there. Permanent restrictions are unsustainable", ">\n\n3 years later...\nIs this permanent?", ">\n\nI doubt there's anything that would make Republicans running in 2024 happier then Democrats advocating for a return to COVID restrictions.", ">\n\nRight? It’d be like the democrats fighting for gun control, or gay and trans rights, or safe and legal abortions. It would be political suicide to stand for something that Republicans don’t like!", ">\n\nMy understanding is that everything you listed is broadly popular or has at least a majority of American's in favor of it. A return to COVID restrictions is not in that category.", ">\n\nGun control isn’t even universally loved amongst the American left, as the hard left needs them for protection from the hard right they clash with, and the middle left does like having their guns taken as much as any middle right wing does, only mid left likes it", ">\n\nGallup has 57% of Americans feeling that in general gun laws should be more strict.", ">\n\nRegular people want kids to stop dying while in school. The problem is \"stricter laws\" is vague and no one can agree on what it means or give a serious proposal that would work, short of confiscation and bans, which are wildly unpopular.", ">\n\nVague political talking points is the best we’re going to get. Much as I’d love a Ross Perot style of breaking down every platform and promise, the general public doesn’t go for it. Buzz words are all we have the attention span for.", ">\n\nChina's COVID-19 surge raises odds of new coronavirus variants\nThings could get very ugly.", ">\n\nYou say this like covid hasn't been spreading rampantly through literally every country on the planet, mostly without any measures to stop the spread. Why does China get a different treatment and maybe countries should require tests from the US or Inida or Europe?", ">\n\nI agree. US was primarily the culprit of why COVID went rampant to begin with. We actively refused to enforce any sort of safety measures, just a mild suggestion of \"maybe wear a mask, if you want to, it's ok if you don't\" and \"we have vaccines if you want one, no pressure tho\". That was really our response to the world's deadliest pandemic.", ">\n\nWe actively made fun of zero covid approaches on reddit and now based on the comments on this thread we are suddenly pro “zero covid” approaches", ">\n\nEveryone finally watched contagion", ">\n\nSo far my 2023 bingo card is reading alooot of skull and crossbones, I think I might actually win at something next year, what does your score card look like?", ">\n\nWhen’s that $1200 going to hit my account?", ">\n\nI’m still living off mine from last time!", ">\n\nI’m still looking for mine", ">\n\nI’m waiting for that $600 bucks from Biden still, but that’s going right into my retirement!", ">\n\nYou dont get he meant to include any money you already received as well /s", ">\n\nI seem to remember campaign ads with $2000 checks.", ">\n\nYep they explicitly mentioned $2,000 checks.", ">\n\nMy comment was sarcasm but in retrospect there are so many neoliberals saying that word for word in all seriousness that I should and will add a sarcasm tag", ">\n\nThat's nice and all, but let's not act like we're not just ignoring our own COVID problems.", ">\n\n\n\"You don't have zero tolerance anymore? We can't tolerate that.\"\n\n- Country with 100% tolerance", ">\n\nWhy not require a negative COVID test from everyone entering the country? It’s like they don’t want COVID to be under control.", ">\n\nI think this is because China has a relatively low vaccination rate because they relied on lock downs. Now that lock downs are being ramped down, they are having a huge surge.", ">\n\nThe vaccination rate in China is considerably higher than the US (92% vs 81%). This is just another example of yellow peril", ">\n\nThank you for pointing this out. What I said above was wrong about the vaccination rate. I don’t know why exactly China is having a surge. 🤷‍♂️", ">\n\nTheir vaccination rate is high but their vaccine, SinoVac is based on old tech. It conveys effectively zero protection from variants when compared to all the other types of vaccines on the market.", ">\n\nYou guys are so full of shit. At 3 doses Sinovac gives the same protection as any western vaccine with boosters to help mitigate mutated variants. Stop spreading misinfo.", ">\n\n\"Does that thumbnail of someone getting tested read too much like 'screaming uselessly into the void'?\"\n\"I'm sure it'll be fine.\"", ">\n\nMaybe, just maybe they shouldnt have stopped testing airplane passengers in the first place... \nWe have cheap, readily available tests that take 10 minutes to complete. There’s really no reason not to test ever passenger before boarding...", ">\n\nEveryone I know who had Omicron tested negative until their symptoms cleared. It was evading the RATs, for some reason.", ">\n\nI tested positive on a rapid test two days after getting congested. Every teacher coworker of mine who bothered to test after getting cold symptoms also did. I think it's why so few parents now test their kids before sending time to school sick. They don't want to know so we all find out when we or our family members then test positive, missing work on their sick kids' behalf so they didn't have to. \nI have also heard the rapid test can give false negatives but anecdotal references don't mean much.", ">\n\nA day late and a dollar short. Same old song and dance.", ">\n\nWow, it’s like history literally repeating itself.", ">\n\nIndeed it is. I hope everyone is prepared for what’s next.", ">\n\nWe should require negative COVID tests for people to fly within the US, too.\nIt makes no difference to me if the person who infects me at LAX is coming in from China, or from Texas.", ">\n\nThere is a high chance anyone that comes from China has Covid right now. Low chance that someone inside America has.", ">\n\nNaw. China’s percent is much higher, sure, but it’s not like US infection rates are low. You can pretty much guarantee an infected American on every sold out domestic flight. The latest variants are super, super contagious, and it only takes one infected person to pose a serious risk to the other people sharing their space, and then all of their families and friends after they land. All flights should still require testing and masking at this point, or all we’ve really accomplished is pacifying the dimwits and xenophobes.\nI know at least 3 people who 100% contracted COVID while flying domestically in the US this last month - because they were isolated for the incubation period beforehand. They were masked the entire time they were in the airport and on the plane.", ">\n\nIf they were masked up and I assume vaccinated and still caught the virus then preventable measures like these aren’t that effective.", ">\n\nIs there a new strain of Covid that isn't in the U.S yet, otherwise what's the point.", ">\n\nUm testing should not ever stop.", ">\n\nAh shit here we go again", ">\n\n\"Who left the fridge open?\"", ">\n\nIt's \"just a cold\" unless it's a non-white person from another country carrying it.\n/s", ">\n\nChina implemented an ineffective vaccine and had 30m+ cases in one day. It’s specifically that gov. refusing to use effective vaccines", ">\n\nAnd the United States had effective vaccines that half the country is not willing to nor willing to wear masks, while complaining to other countries like China about their travel restrictions (from China and Hong Kong). And honestly I’m not oppose to a tighter restriction on China while they are experiencing a surge in new cases just as it did with any other countries that initially loosen covid restrictions, what makes me question this being race or politically motivated is the hypocrisy; people complained about China being oppressive when it was enforcing all the covid restrictions and when they loosen it “China doesn’t care about human lives”.\nSo what exactly do you want them to do?", ">\n\n\nto Require Negative Covid Tests for Travelers From China\n\nLuckily China is well known for its systemic unwillingness to fake or counterfeit things, so everything should be fine.\nhonest.", ">\n\nSeems purely retaliatory with no actual effectiveness.\nEnforcement is over a week away and presumably China has hit its peak already (flights being 40% positive)", ">\n\nThe rich rats are going to buy fake tests and jump ship breaking quarantine just like they did in the first wave. Cutting flights or enforcing quarantines is the only way to prevent this stuff from jumping oceans but god forbid anybody inhibit the jet setters.", ">\n\nHALF of the passengers on a plane from China going to Italy tested positive the other day (tested on arrival). Chances are most if not all of them had negative test results they could show that they took before they left. This won't do anything to stop people coming into the US while positive..we are going to have to go through this all over again and we won't have the same somewhat cooperative response in the US this time if it is a variant that evades immunity... It will get REALLY bad.", ">\n\nSeriously they know red states will just let them in and will never do another shut down again. So start dealt with out break countries this way to slow it down or corner it. But I see very very bad days ahead for China and Russia is starting to report out breaks too.", ">\n\nMust. When?", ">\n\nWe already require this from canada iirc\nEdit: i was wrong, canada requires it from us.", ">\n\nI hope we are talking PCR tests... those store-bought 15-minute ones struggle to get a positive if you have any sort of vaccination, even while symptomatic and miserable.", ">\n\nWell, a little bit of good news. I'll take it.", ">\n\nTravel should have been 100$ restricted a long time ago. Travel should be restricted to any country experiencing a COVID outbreak.", ">\n\nWonderful. Another round of Asian hating.", ">\n\nWho's hating on Asians? We're trying to stop this virus from killing people.", ">\n\nor… ban flights from china??", ">\n\nDoesn’t make sense in singling out China when covid is widespread in every single country", ">\n\nThe extent of covid in china atm is just absurd. Two weeks ago, they had 37 MILLION cases in one day. Think about that. Thats more people than a lot of countries! \nsource", ">\n\nI wonder why China has so much trouble with COVID compared to other countries, despite being so strict.", ">\n\nIt’s because they had the zero covid approaches that people are advocating for in this thread and they suddenly reversed course. Everyone in China is getting it so fast its likely the same variants quickly spreading in a population that suddenly reversed course. Having many people getting it over time and exposed to new generations of the virus (which is what happens over time) is more insidious but people here think thats fine", ">\n\nEveryone saying this is racist, do not pay attention to the world", ">\n\nIt was called racist and xenophobic when Trump did it. The left are hypocritical emotional wrecks.", ">\n\nnah trump was racist or did you forget he called it the “china virus” and subsequent hate crimes increased against adians", ">\n\nLet’s not change the subject. We’re talking about testing travelers from China here. Always trying to deflect.", ">\n\nIs that what he did, though? That and nothing else? This is a Fox News headline, but I bet there's a lot more to it. There usually is.\nFYI, Italy is also requiring testing of travelers from China at this time.\nBecause of the high number of cases in China at this time.", ">\n\nSo many dumb replies here. I am sad about where humankind is at.", ">\n\nRound two people", ">\n\nWe need to ramp up testing again at border.", ">\n\nChina trying to stop Covid…lol! Fail miserably at that, build a huge infected population, then unleash it on the world. Great job China /s", ">\n\nSell then the Moderna vaccine so they can treat themselves, ans end this debacle.", ">\n\nEven if US send Moderna and Phizer vaccine, China will not use it, because they boast about \"superior\" Chinese vaccine and don't want to lose face.\n​\nUntil they change their attitude, I suggest keeping restriction in place for PRC travelers.", ">\n\nOh definitely.", ">\n\nCCP exporting covid again.", ">\n\nPaywall - can anyone help me read the article? It sounds great in theory but why wait so long? That’s how this all started in 2020. Test now!", ">\n\nChina has been in quarantine until the protests. They have a very low of vaccinated people, so now everyone's breathing on each other's necks, squeezing in tight places and now introducing another pandemic. \nI believe a combination of everyone quarantined for too long and non vaccinated people are making this a very deadly spread.", ">\n\nTheir vaccination rate is not too bad, except among the elderly. But their vaccine was shit even before all the variants.\nThey've been trying to use lockdown to prevent spread and with the new variants that just won't work.\nSo yeah, they're pretty fucked.", ">\n\nVaccination rate is good, but the rate of people who are up to date on boosters is where they fall short even beyond just the elderly. It also doesn't help that the vaccine being used is overall less effective than the ones being used elsewhere like you said. Makes those booster shots many are lacking even more critical." ]
> seems xenophobic /s
[ "People from China will travel through Europe and come in to America from the east coast like they did when the pandemic started. This will do nothing if all travelers aboard aren’t made to test.", ">\n\nLet's hope EU and other countries do the same.", ">\n\nI don't know if they will. Australia (for example) had some of the toughest Covid policies and they've essentially just thrown them all out the window.\nSo I don't know how willing countries are to go back to being overly concerned about Covid.", ">\n\nThey should be concerned w chinese, it's spreading like wildfire in china. If we aren't careful, they will come out w covid 20.", ">\n\nIt’s spreading everywhere including the USA. This policy has nothing to do with science or medicine. It’s just politics.", ">\n\nNo. It’s circulating like mad in a population of 1 billion people who haven’t been exposed before. This is how new variants come about. Every country should require negative Covid test for china at least until it cycles through the population", ">\n\n\nNo. It’s circulating like mad in a population of 1 billion people who haven’t been exposed before.\n\nIt's also spreading like mad in all the countries of the world including the USA.\n\nThis is how new variants come about. \n\nAnd they have been for years now.\n\nEvery country should require negative Covid test for china at least until it cycles through the population\n\nOnly for political reasons. There is no scientific or rational demand for this. \nI get it, you hate china, most americans hate china so just be honest and say what you really mean.", ">\n\nStrains are spreading in the west yes, but there are new strains in China that are spreading and we don't know if our vaccines will work with those strains. We know the Chinese vaccines have a low efficacy rate and we know they are not mRNA vaccines which allow for easier adaptation to new strains. Making travelers with a Chinese passport take Covid tests at any and all airports is not racist or even unfair - a reminder that China has been relatively hard to travel to for the last 2 years because they were locked down to foreign travel as well. This is simply good policy from a public health measure, and you not wanting to see that for what it is and instead attribute it to a nascent American hatred for China is laughable. the World Health Organization estimated close to 800 million new cases in China in the next few months, with another estimate 4 million deaths and countless new strains coming out during that period. This is about protection populations, not punishing China.", ">\n\n\nStrains are spreading in the west yes, but there are new strains in China that are spreading and we don't know if our vaccines will work with those strains.\n\nYou don't know if vaccines work against any new variant even if that variant is from a country populated with white people.\n\nWe know the Chinese vaccines have a low efficacy rate and we know they are not mRNA vaccines which allow for easier adaptation to new strains. \n\nThe vaccine doesn't adapt once inside of your body you know that right?\n\nMaking travelers with a Chinese passport take Covid tests at any and all airports is not racist or even unfair \n\nit's definitely unfair and probably racist as well.\n\nhis is simply good policy from a public health measure, a\n\nA good policy would be to require vaccinations from everybody. Think about it, you are requiring a vaccine that you said doesn't even work. How much sense does that make?\n\nattribute it to a nascent American hatred for China is laughable.\n\nNascent?\n\nThis is about protection populations, not punishing China.\n\nIt's definitely about punishing china, it's a part of the current cold war with China conducted by the USA.", ">\n\n\nYou don't know if vaccines work against any new variant even if that variant is from a country populated with white people.\n\nAll the more reason to not invite more new strains into the country. White population or otherwise has nothing to do with it, expected rise in cases in China does.\n\nThe vaccine doesn't adapt once inside of your body you know that right?\n\nYou missed the point. The point i was making was that the Chinese medical system has not even approached Covid with an mRNA vaccine, and steadfastly refused to license western vaccines. If the vaccine most readily available in China has a 50% efficacy then the population is at more risk of contracting the virus and having negative results. The infection rates are increased with each new case of BA.7 (China is currently seeing each covid patient infecting on average 18 other people represented as 1:18, whereas the in US the rate is 1:3.9). Each of these factors increases the risk of developing new strains that are vaccine resistant. \n\nit's definitely unfair and probably racist as well\n\nIs it your position that nations cannot take any prescriptive action to prevent the spread of infected persons from other countries? Again i would remind you that China has basically been locked down for the last 2 years, with severe limitations to personal freedoms themselves. This is not based on race, but rather a government's inability to contain a contagious outbreak in their own country and not wanting it to spread. \n\nA good policy would be to require vaccinations from everybody. Think about it, you are requiring a vaccine that you said doesn't even work. How much sense does that make?\n\nThat might be your definition on good policy, but it isn't mine and that isn't how the west does it. \"I\" am not requiring a vaccine that \"I\" said doesn't work - that was your suggestion not mine. Also, i said the efficacy of the Chinese vaccine is 50% - based on available information - i never said it didn't work, and i never said that it should be mandatory or required.\n\nNascent?\n\nPoor and wrong word choice on my part it seems. What i meant was ascribing the US decision to require testing of Chinese travelers to racism because you believe that the US is racist is laughable. Taking a test to prove that you are covid negative is far less onerous on a traveler than most visa requirements.\n\nIt's definitely about punishing china, it's a part of the current cold war with China conducted by the USA.\n\nCite your sources. I could point to many Chinese government policies that i could say are part of the current cold war with the US without backing it up and it would be just as credible as what you said. Opinion is not a source, and not proof. You assume that the US government is racist, that this policy is racist and yet we have had travel bans imposed on other countries, as well as testing required for travelers from other countries imposed before, and other policies and so has China. For goodness sake China has been closed to foreigners for almost 3 years, and is still closed to foreign travel until January 2023. Is that a racist policy as well?", ">\n\nHere we go again.\nThis time I think I'll learn French cooking.", ">\n\n5000 People a day will have to die before Anybody says the word Lock down in the States ever again.", ">\n\nDon’t understand why people can’t handle staying at home for two weeks when it could potentially eradicate a deadly virus. Are we that weak?", ">\n\nWe did that in large part in March 2020. And did China not spend years locking down their citizens? \nPeoples savings are gone. They need to work. \nWearing a mask would do a lot to help the issue but people aren’t willing to do that anymore.", ">\n\nWe didn't do that though. We didn't all lock down when we were supposed to. Where I work I had to go in from the very start all the way through. Most people, the majority of people, didn't stay home even if they didn't have work. Most people didn't fuck with masks or keeping a distance, and even people who weren't antivaccers didn't take the vaccine seriously for the longest time. \nWe had no fucking lock down, unless you were a well-off celebrity or comedian who wanted to talk about being locked down for content. \nIf people legit locked down, they would have taken a small hit financially, but too many people didn't do shit and prolonged everything.", ">\n\nThe things is that it doesn't take long to drain peoples saving - becuase the overwhelming majority of people have practically none. \nSo an extended lockdown was never feasible unless the government was willing to pay several trillion dollars of expenses, not just 2 or 3 times but several times over.", ">\n\nI didn't dispute any of what you said. I pointed out that most people actively contested any safety measure and most people didn't actually lock down. Any extension will almost certainly be the fault of most of those people. \nI'd gladly let them all die if it meant the few people who did take things seriously didn't have to live through a Walking Dead scenario or have to take a huge financial hit because them.", ">\n\nMost people did lock down just fine initially. After a few weeks turned into a month or more, yeah people got testy.\nAdditionally, a gigantic amount of people work in critical industries and simply cant stay home. Just keeping the lights and water on requires tens of millions of workers, plus industries like plants and refineries that simply cannot shut down without massive long-term consequences.\nReddit is full of office people who can WFH, the vast majority of people cant.", ">\n\nI was one of those who couldn't stay home. Right out of the gate most people gave up on almost all of it except when they were making a show of complying when they had to. There was a lot of cheating. I walk through a lot of different areas. The waves of patients and bodies we got at work tracked with that and became predictable.", ">\n\nWhat’s that saying that ends with ”…doomed to repeat it?”", ">\n\nWhy not just require a negative test from everyone?", ">\n\nWho would you expect to pay for that?", ">\n\nGovernments or sponsors from the private sector ideally, I honestly don’t give a fuck. I’ve gotten many free tests from both and I’ve also bought some for like $8.", ">\n\n“Here we go again” from everyone in the comments. \nThe virus never stopped, we did.", ">\n\nVirus will always be there. Permanent restrictions are unsustainable", ">\n\n3 years later...\nIs this permanent?", ">\n\nI doubt there's anything that would make Republicans running in 2024 happier then Democrats advocating for a return to COVID restrictions.", ">\n\nRight? It’d be like the democrats fighting for gun control, or gay and trans rights, or safe and legal abortions. It would be political suicide to stand for something that Republicans don’t like!", ">\n\nMy understanding is that everything you listed is broadly popular or has at least a majority of American's in favor of it. A return to COVID restrictions is not in that category.", ">\n\nGun control isn’t even universally loved amongst the American left, as the hard left needs them for protection from the hard right they clash with, and the middle left does like having their guns taken as much as any middle right wing does, only mid left likes it", ">\n\nGallup has 57% of Americans feeling that in general gun laws should be more strict.", ">\n\nRegular people want kids to stop dying while in school. The problem is \"stricter laws\" is vague and no one can agree on what it means or give a serious proposal that would work, short of confiscation and bans, which are wildly unpopular.", ">\n\nVague political talking points is the best we’re going to get. Much as I’d love a Ross Perot style of breaking down every platform and promise, the general public doesn’t go for it. Buzz words are all we have the attention span for.", ">\n\nChina's COVID-19 surge raises odds of new coronavirus variants\nThings could get very ugly.", ">\n\nYou say this like covid hasn't been spreading rampantly through literally every country on the planet, mostly without any measures to stop the spread. Why does China get a different treatment and maybe countries should require tests from the US or Inida or Europe?", ">\n\nI agree. US was primarily the culprit of why COVID went rampant to begin with. We actively refused to enforce any sort of safety measures, just a mild suggestion of \"maybe wear a mask, if you want to, it's ok if you don't\" and \"we have vaccines if you want one, no pressure tho\". That was really our response to the world's deadliest pandemic.", ">\n\nWe actively made fun of zero covid approaches on reddit and now based on the comments on this thread we are suddenly pro “zero covid” approaches", ">\n\nEveryone finally watched contagion", ">\n\nSo far my 2023 bingo card is reading alooot of skull and crossbones, I think I might actually win at something next year, what does your score card look like?", ">\n\nWhen’s that $1200 going to hit my account?", ">\n\nI’m still living off mine from last time!", ">\n\nI’m still looking for mine", ">\n\nI’m waiting for that $600 bucks from Biden still, but that’s going right into my retirement!", ">\n\nYou dont get he meant to include any money you already received as well /s", ">\n\nI seem to remember campaign ads with $2000 checks.", ">\n\nYep they explicitly mentioned $2,000 checks.", ">\n\nMy comment was sarcasm but in retrospect there are so many neoliberals saying that word for word in all seriousness that I should and will add a sarcasm tag", ">\n\nThat's nice and all, but let's not act like we're not just ignoring our own COVID problems.", ">\n\n\n\"You don't have zero tolerance anymore? We can't tolerate that.\"\n\n- Country with 100% tolerance", ">\n\nWhy not require a negative COVID test from everyone entering the country? It’s like they don’t want COVID to be under control.", ">\n\nI think this is because China has a relatively low vaccination rate because they relied on lock downs. Now that lock downs are being ramped down, they are having a huge surge.", ">\n\nThe vaccination rate in China is considerably higher than the US (92% vs 81%). This is just another example of yellow peril", ">\n\nThank you for pointing this out. What I said above was wrong about the vaccination rate. I don’t know why exactly China is having a surge. 🤷‍♂️", ">\n\nTheir vaccination rate is high but their vaccine, SinoVac is based on old tech. It conveys effectively zero protection from variants when compared to all the other types of vaccines on the market.", ">\n\nYou guys are so full of shit. At 3 doses Sinovac gives the same protection as any western vaccine with boosters to help mitigate mutated variants. Stop spreading misinfo.", ">\n\n\"Does that thumbnail of someone getting tested read too much like 'screaming uselessly into the void'?\"\n\"I'm sure it'll be fine.\"", ">\n\nMaybe, just maybe they shouldnt have stopped testing airplane passengers in the first place... \nWe have cheap, readily available tests that take 10 minutes to complete. There’s really no reason not to test ever passenger before boarding...", ">\n\nEveryone I know who had Omicron tested negative until their symptoms cleared. It was evading the RATs, for some reason.", ">\n\nI tested positive on a rapid test two days after getting congested. Every teacher coworker of mine who bothered to test after getting cold symptoms also did. I think it's why so few parents now test their kids before sending time to school sick. They don't want to know so we all find out when we or our family members then test positive, missing work on their sick kids' behalf so they didn't have to. \nI have also heard the rapid test can give false negatives but anecdotal references don't mean much.", ">\n\nA day late and a dollar short. Same old song and dance.", ">\n\nWow, it’s like history literally repeating itself.", ">\n\nIndeed it is. I hope everyone is prepared for what’s next.", ">\n\nWe should require negative COVID tests for people to fly within the US, too.\nIt makes no difference to me if the person who infects me at LAX is coming in from China, or from Texas.", ">\n\nThere is a high chance anyone that comes from China has Covid right now. Low chance that someone inside America has.", ">\n\nNaw. China’s percent is much higher, sure, but it’s not like US infection rates are low. You can pretty much guarantee an infected American on every sold out domestic flight. The latest variants are super, super contagious, and it only takes one infected person to pose a serious risk to the other people sharing their space, and then all of their families and friends after they land. All flights should still require testing and masking at this point, or all we’ve really accomplished is pacifying the dimwits and xenophobes.\nI know at least 3 people who 100% contracted COVID while flying domestically in the US this last month - because they were isolated for the incubation period beforehand. They were masked the entire time they were in the airport and on the plane.", ">\n\nIf they were masked up and I assume vaccinated and still caught the virus then preventable measures like these aren’t that effective.", ">\n\nIs there a new strain of Covid that isn't in the U.S yet, otherwise what's the point.", ">\n\nUm testing should not ever stop.", ">\n\nAh shit here we go again", ">\n\n\"Who left the fridge open?\"", ">\n\nIt's \"just a cold\" unless it's a non-white person from another country carrying it.\n/s", ">\n\nChina implemented an ineffective vaccine and had 30m+ cases in one day. It’s specifically that gov. refusing to use effective vaccines", ">\n\nAnd the United States had effective vaccines that half the country is not willing to nor willing to wear masks, while complaining to other countries like China about their travel restrictions (from China and Hong Kong). And honestly I’m not oppose to a tighter restriction on China while they are experiencing a surge in new cases just as it did with any other countries that initially loosen covid restrictions, what makes me question this being race or politically motivated is the hypocrisy; people complained about China being oppressive when it was enforcing all the covid restrictions and when they loosen it “China doesn’t care about human lives”.\nSo what exactly do you want them to do?", ">\n\n\nto Require Negative Covid Tests for Travelers From China\n\nLuckily China is well known for its systemic unwillingness to fake or counterfeit things, so everything should be fine.\nhonest.", ">\n\nSeems purely retaliatory with no actual effectiveness.\nEnforcement is over a week away and presumably China has hit its peak already (flights being 40% positive)", ">\n\nThe rich rats are going to buy fake tests and jump ship breaking quarantine just like they did in the first wave. Cutting flights or enforcing quarantines is the only way to prevent this stuff from jumping oceans but god forbid anybody inhibit the jet setters.", ">\n\nHALF of the passengers on a plane from China going to Italy tested positive the other day (tested on arrival). Chances are most if not all of them had negative test results they could show that they took before they left. This won't do anything to stop people coming into the US while positive..we are going to have to go through this all over again and we won't have the same somewhat cooperative response in the US this time if it is a variant that evades immunity... It will get REALLY bad.", ">\n\nSeriously they know red states will just let them in and will never do another shut down again. So start dealt with out break countries this way to slow it down or corner it. But I see very very bad days ahead for China and Russia is starting to report out breaks too.", ">\n\nMust. When?", ">\n\nWe already require this from canada iirc\nEdit: i was wrong, canada requires it from us.", ">\n\nI hope we are talking PCR tests... those store-bought 15-minute ones struggle to get a positive if you have any sort of vaccination, even while symptomatic and miserable.", ">\n\nWell, a little bit of good news. I'll take it.", ">\n\nTravel should have been 100$ restricted a long time ago. Travel should be restricted to any country experiencing a COVID outbreak.", ">\n\nWonderful. Another round of Asian hating.", ">\n\nWho's hating on Asians? We're trying to stop this virus from killing people.", ">\n\nor… ban flights from china??", ">\n\nDoesn’t make sense in singling out China when covid is widespread in every single country", ">\n\nThe extent of covid in china atm is just absurd. Two weeks ago, they had 37 MILLION cases in one day. Think about that. Thats more people than a lot of countries! \nsource", ">\n\nI wonder why China has so much trouble with COVID compared to other countries, despite being so strict.", ">\n\nIt’s because they had the zero covid approaches that people are advocating for in this thread and they suddenly reversed course. Everyone in China is getting it so fast its likely the same variants quickly spreading in a population that suddenly reversed course. Having many people getting it over time and exposed to new generations of the virus (which is what happens over time) is more insidious but people here think thats fine", ">\n\nEveryone saying this is racist, do not pay attention to the world", ">\n\nIt was called racist and xenophobic when Trump did it. The left are hypocritical emotional wrecks.", ">\n\nnah trump was racist or did you forget he called it the “china virus” and subsequent hate crimes increased against adians", ">\n\nLet’s not change the subject. We’re talking about testing travelers from China here. Always trying to deflect.", ">\n\nIs that what he did, though? That and nothing else? This is a Fox News headline, but I bet there's a lot more to it. There usually is.\nFYI, Italy is also requiring testing of travelers from China at this time.\nBecause of the high number of cases in China at this time.", ">\n\nSo many dumb replies here. I am sad about where humankind is at.", ">\n\nRound two people", ">\n\nWe need to ramp up testing again at border.", ">\n\nChina trying to stop Covid…lol! Fail miserably at that, build a huge infected population, then unleash it on the world. Great job China /s", ">\n\nSell then the Moderna vaccine so they can treat themselves, ans end this debacle.", ">\n\nEven if US send Moderna and Phizer vaccine, China will not use it, because they boast about \"superior\" Chinese vaccine and don't want to lose face.\n​\nUntil they change their attitude, I suggest keeping restriction in place for PRC travelers.", ">\n\nOh definitely.", ">\n\nCCP exporting covid again.", ">\n\nPaywall - can anyone help me read the article? It sounds great in theory but why wait so long? That’s how this all started in 2020. Test now!", ">\n\nChina has been in quarantine until the protests. They have a very low of vaccinated people, so now everyone's breathing on each other's necks, squeezing in tight places and now introducing another pandemic. \nI believe a combination of everyone quarantined for too long and non vaccinated people are making this a very deadly spread.", ">\n\nTheir vaccination rate is not too bad, except among the elderly. But their vaccine was shit even before all the variants.\nThey've been trying to use lockdown to prevent spread and with the new variants that just won't work.\nSo yeah, they're pretty fucked.", ">\n\nVaccination rate is good, but the rate of people who are up to date on boosters is where they fall short even beyond just the elderly. It also doesn't help that the vaccine being used is overall less effective than the ones being used elsewhere like you said. Makes those booster shots many are lacking even more critical.", ">\n\nApparently Americans only get worried when it’s Chinese people spreading Covid as opposed to their own residents, citizens and Europeans." ]
> oh I'm sure conservatives will be very concerned about the "freedoms" of those travelers from China
[ "People from China will travel through Europe and come in to America from the east coast like they did when the pandemic started. This will do nothing if all travelers aboard aren’t made to test.", ">\n\nLet's hope EU and other countries do the same.", ">\n\nI don't know if they will. Australia (for example) had some of the toughest Covid policies and they've essentially just thrown them all out the window.\nSo I don't know how willing countries are to go back to being overly concerned about Covid.", ">\n\nThey should be concerned w chinese, it's spreading like wildfire in china. If we aren't careful, they will come out w covid 20.", ">\n\nIt’s spreading everywhere including the USA. This policy has nothing to do with science or medicine. It’s just politics.", ">\n\nNo. It’s circulating like mad in a population of 1 billion people who haven’t been exposed before. This is how new variants come about. Every country should require negative Covid test for china at least until it cycles through the population", ">\n\n\nNo. It’s circulating like mad in a population of 1 billion people who haven’t been exposed before.\n\nIt's also spreading like mad in all the countries of the world including the USA.\n\nThis is how new variants come about. \n\nAnd they have been for years now.\n\nEvery country should require negative Covid test for china at least until it cycles through the population\n\nOnly for political reasons. There is no scientific or rational demand for this. \nI get it, you hate china, most americans hate china so just be honest and say what you really mean.", ">\n\nStrains are spreading in the west yes, but there are new strains in China that are spreading and we don't know if our vaccines will work with those strains. We know the Chinese vaccines have a low efficacy rate and we know they are not mRNA vaccines which allow for easier adaptation to new strains. Making travelers with a Chinese passport take Covid tests at any and all airports is not racist or even unfair - a reminder that China has been relatively hard to travel to for the last 2 years because they were locked down to foreign travel as well. This is simply good policy from a public health measure, and you not wanting to see that for what it is and instead attribute it to a nascent American hatred for China is laughable. the World Health Organization estimated close to 800 million new cases in China in the next few months, with another estimate 4 million deaths and countless new strains coming out during that period. This is about protection populations, not punishing China.", ">\n\n\nStrains are spreading in the west yes, but there are new strains in China that are spreading and we don't know if our vaccines will work with those strains.\n\nYou don't know if vaccines work against any new variant even if that variant is from a country populated with white people.\n\nWe know the Chinese vaccines have a low efficacy rate and we know they are not mRNA vaccines which allow for easier adaptation to new strains. \n\nThe vaccine doesn't adapt once inside of your body you know that right?\n\nMaking travelers with a Chinese passport take Covid tests at any and all airports is not racist or even unfair \n\nit's definitely unfair and probably racist as well.\n\nhis is simply good policy from a public health measure, a\n\nA good policy would be to require vaccinations from everybody. Think about it, you are requiring a vaccine that you said doesn't even work. How much sense does that make?\n\nattribute it to a nascent American hatred for China is laughable.\n\nNascent?\n\nThis is about protection populations, not punishing China.\n\nIt's definitely about punishing china, it's a part of the current cold war with China conducted by the USA.", ">\n\n\nYou don't know if vaccines work against any new variant even if that variant is from a country populated with white people.\n\nAll the more reason to not invite more new strains into the country. White population or otherwise has nothing to do with it, expected rise in cases in China does.\n\nThe vaccine doesn't adapt once inside of your body you know that right?\n\nYou missed the point. The point i was making was that the Chinese medical system has not even approached Covid with an mRNA vaccine, and steadfastly refused to license western vaccines. If the vaccine most readily available in China has a 50% efficacy then the population is at more risk of contracting the virus and having negative results. The infection rates are increased with each new case of BA.7 (China is currently seeing each covid patient infecting on average 18 other people represented as 1:18, whereas the in US the rate is 1:3.9). Each of these factors increases the risk of developing new strains that are vaccine resistant. \n\nit's definitely unfair and probably racist as well\n\nIs it your position that nations cannot take any prescriptive action to prevent the spread of infected persons from other countries? Again i would remind you that China has basically been locked down for the last 2 years, with severe limitations to personal freedoms themselves. This is not based on race, but rather a government's inability to contain a contagious outbreak in their own country and not wanting it to spread. \n\nA good policy would be to require vaccinations from everybody. Think about it, you are requiring a vaccine that you said doesn't even work. How much sense does that make?\n\nThat might be your definition on good policy, but it isn't mine and that isn't how the west does it. \"I\" am not requiring a vaccine that \"I\" said doesn't work - that was your suggestion not mine. Also, i said the efficacy of the Chinese vaccine is 50% - based on available information - i never said it didn't work, and i never said that it should be mandatory or required.\n\nNascent?\n\nPoor and wrong word choice on my part it seems. What i meant was ascribing the US decision to require testing of Chinese travelers to racism because you believe that the US is racist is laughable. Taking a test to prove that you are covid negative is far less onerous on a traveler than most visa requirements.\n\nIt's definitely about punishing china, it's a part of the current cold war with China conducted by the USA.\n\nCite your sources. I could point to many Chinese government policies that i could say are part of the current cold war with the US without backing it up and it would be just as credible as what you said. Opinion is not a source, and not proof. You assume that the US government is racist, that this policy is racist and yet we have had travel bans imposed on other countries, as well as testing required for travelers from other countries imposed before, and other policies and so has China. For goodness sake China has been closed to foreigners for almost 3 years, and is still closed to foreign travel until January 2023. Is that a racist policy as well?", ">\n\nHere we go again.\nThis time I think I'll learn French cooking.", ">\n\n5000 People a day will have to die before Anybody says the word Lock down in the States ever again.", ">\n\nDon’t understand why people can’t handle staying at home for two weeks when it could potentially eradicate a deadly virus. Are we that weak?", ">\n\nWe did that in large part in March 2020. And did China not spend years locking down their citizens? \nPeoples savings are gone. They need to work. \nWearing a mask would do a lot to help the issue but people aren’t willing to do that anymore.", ">\n\nWe didn't do that though. We didn't all lock down when we were supposed to. Where I work I had to go in from the very start all the way through. Most people, the majority of people, didn't stay home even if they didn't have work. Most people didn't fuck with masks or keeping a distance, and even people who weren't antivaccers didn't take the vaccine seriously for the longest time. \nWe had no fucking lock down, unless you were a well-off celebrity or comedian who wanted to talk about being locked down for content. \nIf people legit locked down, they would have taken a small hit financially, but too many people didn't do shit and prolonged everything.", ">\n\nThe things is that it doesn't take long to drain peoples saving - becuase the overwhelming majority of people have practically none. \nSo an extended lockdown was never feasible unless the government was willing to pay several trillion dollars of expenses, not just 2 or 3 times but several times over.", ">\n\nI didn't dispute any of what you said. I pointed out that most people actively contested any safety measure and most people didn't actually lock down. Any extension will almost certainly be the fault of most of those people. \nI'd gladly let them all die if it meant the few people who did take things seriously didn't have to live through a Walking Dead scenario or have to take a huge financial hit because them.", ">\n\nMost people did lock down just fine initially. After a few weeks turned into a month or more, yeah people got testy.\nAdditionally, a gigantic amount of people work in critical industries and simply cant stay home. Just keeping the lights and water on requires tens of millions of workers, plus industries like plants and refineries that simply cannot shut down without massive long-term consequences.\nReddit is full of office people who can WFH, the vast majority of people cant.", ">\n\nI was one of those who couldn't stay home. Right out of the gate most people gave up on almost all of it except when they were making a show of complying when they had to. There was a lot of cheating. I walk through a lot of different areas. The waves of patients and bodies we got at work tracked with that and became predictable.", ">\n\nWhat’s that saying that ends with ”…doomed to repeat it?”", ">\n\nWhy not just require a negative test from everyone?", ">\n\nWho would you expect to pay for that?", ">\n\nGovernments or sponsors from the private sector ideally, I honestly don’t give a fuck. I’ve gotten many free tests from both and I’ve also bought some for like $8.", ">\n\n“Here we go again” from everyone in the comments. \nThe virus never stopped, we did.", ">\n\nVirus will always be there. Permanent restrictions are unsustainable", ">\n\n3 years later...\nIs this permanent?", ">\n\nI doubt there's anything that would make Republicans running in 2024 happier then Democrats advocating for a return to COVID restrictions.", ">\n\nRight? It’d be like the democrats fighting for gun control, or gay and trans rights, or safe and legal abortions. It would be political suicide to stand for something that Republicans don’t like!", ">\n\nMy understanding is that everything you listed is broadly popular or has at least a majority of American's in favor of it. A return to COVID restrictions is not in that category.", ">\n\nGun control isn’t even universally loved amongst the American left, as the hard left needs them for protection from the hard right they clash with, and the middle left does like having their guns taken as much as any middle right wing does, only mid left likes it", ">\n\nGallup has 57% of Americans feeling that in general gun laws should be more strict.", ">\n\nRegular people want kids to stop dying while in school. The problem is \"stricter laws\" is vague and no one can agree on what it means or give a serious proposal that would work, short of confiscation and bans, which are wildly unpopular.", ">\n\nVague political talking points is the best we’re going to get. Much as I’d love a Ross Perot style of breaking down every platform and promise, the general public doesn’t go for it. Buzz words are all we have the attention span for.", ">\n\nChina's COVID-19 surge raises odds of new coronavirus variants\nThings could get very ugly.", ">\n\nYou say this like covid hasn't been spreading rampantly through literally every country on the planet, mostly without any measures to stop the spread. Why does China get a different treatment and maybe countries should require tests from the US or Inida or Europe?", ">\n\nI agree. US was primarily the culprit of why COVID went rampant to begin with. We actively refused to enforce any sort of safety measures, just a mild suggestion of \"maybe wear a mask, if you want to, it's ok if you don't\" and \"we have vaccines if you want one, no pressure tho\". That was really our response to the world's deadliest pandemic.", ">\n\nWe actively made fun of zero covid approaches on reddit and now based on the comments on this thread we are suddenly pro “zero covid” approaches", ">\n\nEveryone finally watched contagion", ">\n\nSo far my 2023 bingo card is reading alooot of skull and crossbones, I think I might actually win at something next year, what does your score card look like?", ">\n\nWhen’s that $1200 going to hit my account?", ">\n\nI’m still living off mine from last time!", ">\n\nI’m still looking for mine", ">\n\nI’m waiting for that $600 bucks from Biden still, but that’s going right into my retirement!", ">\n\nYou dont get he meant to include any money you already received as well /s", ">\n\nI seem to remember campaign ads with $2000 checks.", ">\n\nYep they explicitly mentioned $2,000 checks.", ">\n\nMy comment was sarcasm but in retrospect there are so many neoliberals saying that word for word in all seriousness that I should and will add a sarcasm tag", ">\n\nThat's nice and all, but let's not act like we're not just ignoring our own COVID problems.", ">\n\n\n\"You don't have zero tolerance anymore? We can't tolerate that.\"\n\n- Country with 100% tolerance", ">\n\nWhy not require a negative COVID test from everyone entering the country? It’s like they don’t want COVID to be under control.", ">\n\nI think this is because China has a relatively low vaccination rate because they relied on lock downs. Now that lock downs are being ramped down, they are having a huge surge.", ">\n\nThe vaccination rate in China is considerably higher than the US (92% vs 81%). This is just another example of yellow peril", ">\n\nThank you for pointing this out. What I said above was wrong about the vaccination rate. I don’t know why exactly China is having a surge. 🤷‍♂️", ">\n\nTheir vaccination rate is high but their vaccine, SinoVac is based on old tech. It conveys effectively zero protection from variants when compared to all the other types of vaccines on the market.", ">\n\nYou guys are so full of shit. At 3 doses Sinovac gives the same protection as any western vaccine with boosters to help mitigate mutated variants. Stop spreading misinfo.", ">\n\n\"Does that thumbnail of someone getting tested read too much like 'screaming uselessly into the void'?\"\n\"I'm sure it'll be fine.\"", ">\n\nMaybe, just maybe they shouldnt have stopped testing airplane passengers in the first place... \nWe have cheap, readily available tests that take 10 minutes to complete. There’s really no reason not to test ever passenger before boarding...", ">\n\nEveryone I know who had Omicron tested negative until their symptoms cleared. It was evading the RATs, for some reason.", ">\n\nI tested positive on a rapid test two days after getting congested. Every teacher coworker of mine who bothered to test after getting cold symptoms also did. I think it's why so few parents now test their kids before sending time to school sick. They don't want to know so we all find out when we or our family members then test positive, missing work on their sick kids' behalf so they didn't have to. \nI have also heard the rapid test can give false negatives but anecdotal references don't mean much.", ">\n\nA day late and a dollar short. Same old song and dance.", ">\n\nWow, it’s like history literally repeating itself.", ">\n\nIndeed it is. I hope everyone is prepared for what’s next.", ">\n\nWe should require negative COVID tests for people to fly within the US, too.\nIt makes no difference to me if the person who infects me at LAX is coming in from China, or from Texas.", ">\n\nThere is a high chance anyone that comes from China has Covid right now. Low chance that someone inside America has.", ">\n\nNaw. China’s percent is much higher, sure, but it’s not like US infection rates are low. You can pretty much guarantee an infected American on every sold out domestic flight. The latest variants are super, super contagious, and it only takes one infected person to pose a serious risk to the other people sharing their space, and then all of their families and friends after they land. All flights should still require testing and masking at this point, or all we’ve really accomplished is pacifying the dimwits and xenophobes.\nI know at least 3 people who 100% contracted COVID while flying domestically in the US this last month - because they were isolated for the incubation period beforehand. They were masked the entire time they were in the airport and on the plane.", ">\n\nIf they were masked up and I assume vaccinated and still caught the virus then preventable measures like these aren’t that effective.", ">\n\nIs there a new strain of Covid that isn't in the U.S yet, otherwise what's the point.", ">\n\nUm testing should not ever stop.", ">\n\nAh shit here we go again", ">\n\n\"Who left the fridge open?\"", ">\n\nIt's \"just a cold\" unless it's a non-white person from another country carrying it.\n/s", ">\n\nChina implemented an ineffective vaccine and had 30m+ cases in one day. It’s specifically that gov. refusing to use effective vaccines", ">\n\nAnd the United States had effective vaccines that half the country is not willing to nor willing to wear masks, while complaining to other countries like China about their travel restrictions (from China and Hong Kong). And honestly I’m not oppose to a tighter restriction on China while they are experiencing a surge in new cases just as it did with any other countries that initially loosen covid restrictions, what makes me question this being race or politically motivated is the hypocrisy; people complained about China being oppressive when it was enforcing all the covid restrictions and when they loosen it “China doesn’t care about human lives”.\nSo what exactly do you want them to do?", ">\n\n\nto Require Negative Covid Tests for Travelers From China\n\nLuckily China is well known for its systemic unwillingness to fake or counterfeit things, so everything should be fine.\nhonest.", ">\n\nSeems purely retaliatory with no actual effectiveness.\nEnforcement is over a week away and presumably China has hit its peak already (flights being 40% positive)", ">\n\nThe rich rats are going to buy fake tests and jump ship breaking quarantine just like they did in the first wave. Cutting flights or enforcing quarantines is the only way to prevent this stuff from jumping oceans but god forbid anybody inhibit the jet setters.", ">\n\nHALF of the passengers on a plane from China going to Italy tested positive the other day (tested on arrival). Chances are most if not all of them had negative test results they could show that they took before they left. This won't do anything to stop people coming into the US while positive..we are going to have to go through this all over again and we won't have the same somewhat cooperative response in the US this time if it is a variant that evades immunity... It will get REALLY bad.", ">\n\nSeriously they know red states will just let them in and will never do another shut down again. So start dealt with out break countries this way to slow it down or corner it. But I see very very bad days ahead for China and Russia is starting to report out breaks too.", ">\n\nMust. When?", ">\n\nWe already require this from canada iirc\nEdit: i was wrong, canada requires it from us.", ">\n\nI hope we are talking PCR tests... those store-bought 15-minute ones struggle to get a positive if you have any sort of vaccination, even while symptomatic and miserable.", ">\n\nWell, a little bit of good news. I'll take it.", ">\n\nTravel should have been 100$ restricted a long time ago. Travel should be restricted to any country experiencing a COVID outbreak.", ">\n\nWonderful. Another round of Asian hating.", ">\n\nWho's hating on Asians? We're trying to stop this virus from killing people.", ">\n\nor… ban flights from china??", ">\n\nDoesn’t make sense in singling out China when covid is widespread in every single country", ">\n\nThe extent of covid in china atm is just absurd. Two weeks ago, they had 37 MILLION cases in one day. Think about that. Thats more people than a lot of countries! \nsource", ">\n\nI wonder why China has so much trouble with COVID compared to other countries, despite being so strict.", ">\n\nIt’s because they had the zero covid approaches that people are advocating for in this thread and they suddenly reversed course. Everyone in China is getting it so fast its likely the same variants quickly spreading in a population that suddenly reversed course. Having many people getting it over time and exposed to new generations of the virus (which is what happens over time) is more insidious but people here think thats fine", ">\n\nEveryone saying this is racist, do not pay attention to the world", ">\n\nIt was called racist and xenophobic when Trump did it. The left are hypocritical emotional wrecks.", ">\n\nnah trump was racist or did you forget he called it the “china virus” and subsequent hate crimes increased against adians", ">\n\nLet’s not change the subject. We’re talking about testing travelers from China here. Always trying to deflect.", ">\n\nIs that what he did, though? That and nothing else? This is a Fox News headline, but I bet there's a lot more to it. There usually is.\nFYI, Italy is also requiring testing of travelers from China at this time.\nBecause of the high number of cases in China at this time.", ">\n\nSo many dumb replies here. I am sad about where humankind is at.", ">\n\nRound two people", ">\n\nWe need to ramp up testing again at border.", ">\n\nChina trying to stop Covid…lol! Fail miserably at that, build a huge infected population, then unleash it on the world. Great job China /s", ">\n\nSell then the Moderna vaccine so they can treat themselves, ans end this debacle.", ">\n\nEven if US send Moderna and Phizer vaccine, China will not use it, because they boast about \"superior\" Chinese vaccine and don't want to lose face.\n​\nUntil they change their attitude, I suggest keeping restriction in place for PRC travelers.", ">\n\nOh definitely.", ">\n\nCCP exporting covid again.", ">\n\nPaywall - can anyone help me read the article? It sounds great in theory but why wait so long? That’s how this all started in 2020. Test now!", ">\n\nChina has been in quarantine until the protests. They have a very low of vaccinated people, so now everyone's breathing on each other's necks, squeezing in tight places and now introducing another pandemic. \nI believe a combination of everyone quarantined for too long and non vaccinated people are making this a very deadly spread.", ">\n\nTheir vaccination rate is not too bad, except among the elderly. But their vaccine was shit even before all the variants.\nThey've been trying to use lockdown to prevent spread and with the new variants that just won't work.\nSo yeah, they're pretty fucked.", ">\n\nVaccination rate is good, but the rate of people who are up to date on boosters is where they fall short even beyond just the elderly. It also doesn't help that the vaccine being used is overall less effective than the ones being used elsewhere like you said. Makes those booster shots many are lacking even more critical.", ">\n\nApparently Americans only get worried when it’s Chinese people spreading Covid as opposed to their own residents, citizens and Europeans.", ">\n\nseems xenophobic /s" ]
> How's this going to work for the 75% of all our manufactured goods coming in from China?
[ "People from China will travel through Europe and come in to America from the east coast like they did when the pandemic started. This will do nothing if all travelers aboard aren’t made to test.", ">\n\nLet's hope EU and other countries do the same.", ">\n\nI don't know if they will. Australia (for example) had some of the toughest Covid policies and they've essentially just thrown them all out the window.\nSo I don't know how willing countries are to go back to being overly concerned about Covid.", ">\n\nThey should be concerned w chinese, it's spreading like wildfire in china. If we aren't careful, they will come out w covid 20.", ">\n\nIt’s spreading everywhere including the USA. This policy has nothing to do with science or medicine. It’s just politics.", ">\n\nNo. It’s circulating like mad in a population of 1 billion people who haven’t been exposed before. This is how new variants come about. Every country should require negative Covid test for china at least until it cycles through the population", ">\n\n\nNo. It’s circulating like mad in a population of 1 billion people who haven’t been exposed before.\n\nIt's also spreading like mad in all the countries of the world including the USA.\n\nThis is how new variants come about. \n\nAnd they have been for years now.\n\nEvery country should require negative Covid test for china at least until it cycles through the population\n\nOnly for political reasons. There is no scientific or rational demand for this. \nI get it, you hate china, most americans hate china so just be honest and say what you really mean.", ">\n\nStrains are spreading in the west yes, but there are new strains in China that are spreading and we don't know if our vaccines will work with those strains. We know the Chinese vaccines have a low efficacy rate and we know they are not mRNA vaccines which allow for easier adaptation to new strains. Making travelers with a Chinese passport take Covid tests at any and all airports is not racist or even unfair - a reminder that China has been relatively hard to travel to for the last 2 years because they were locked down to foreign travel as well. This is simply good policy from a public health measure, and you not wanting to see that for what it is and instead attribute it to a nascent American hatred for China is laughable. the World Health Organization estimated close to 800 million new cases in China in the next few months, with another estimate 4 million deaths and countless new strains coming out during that period. This is about protection populations, not punishing China.", ">\n\n\nStrains are spreading in the west yes, but there are new strains in China that are spreading and we don't know if our vaccines will work with those strains.\n\nYou don't know if vaccines work against any new variant even if that variant is from a country populated with white people.\n\nWe know the Chinese vaccines have a low efficacy rate and we know they are not mRNA vaccines which allow for easier adaptation to new strains. \n\nThe vaccine doesn't adapt once inside of your body you know that right?\n\nMaking travelers with a Chinese passport take Covid tests at any and all airports is not racist or even unfair \n\nit's definitely unfair and probably racist as well.\n\nhis is simply good policy from a public health measure, a\n\nA good policy would be to require vaccinations from everybody. Think about it, you are requiring a vaccine that you said doesn't even work. How much sense does that make?\n\nattribute it to a nascent American hatred for China is laughable.\n\nNascent?\n\nThis is about protection populations, not punishing China.\n\nIt's definitely about punishing china, it's a part of the current cold war with China conducted by the USA.", ">\n\n\nYou don't know if vaccines work against any new variant even if that variant is from a country populated with white people.\n\nAll the more reason to not invite more new strains into the country. White population or otherwise has nothing to do with it, expected rise in cases in China does.\n\nThe vaccine doesn't adapt once inside of your body you know that right?\n\nYou missed the point. The point i was making was that the Chinese medical system has not even approached Covid with an mRNA vaccine, and steadfastly refused to license western vaccines. If the vaccine most readily available in China has a 50% efficacy then the population is at more risk of contracting the virus and having negative results. The infection rates are increased with each new case of BA.7 (China is currently seeing each covid patient infecting on average 18 other people represented as 1:18, whereas the in US the rate is 1:3.9). Each of these factors increases the risk of developing new strains that are vaccine resistant. \n\nit's definitely unfair and probably racist as well\n\nIs it your position that nations cannot take any prescriptive action to prevent the spread of infected persons from other countries? Again i would remind you that China has basically been locked down for the last 2 years, with severe limitations to personal freedoms themselves. This is not based on race, but rather a government's inability to contain a contagious outbreak in their own country and not wanting it to spread. \n\nA good policy would be to require vaccinations from everybody. Think about it, you are requiring a vaccine that you said doesn't even work. How much sense does that make?\n\nThat might be your definition on good policy, but it isn't mine and that isn't how the west does it. \"I\" am not requiring a vaccine that \"I\" said doesn't work - that was your suggestion not mine. Also, i said the efficacy of the Chinese vaccine is 50% - based on available information - i never said it didn't work, and i never said that it should be mandatory or required.\n\nNascent?\n\nPoor and wrong word choice on my part it seems. What i meant was ascribing the US decision to require testing of Chinese travelers to racism because you believe that the US is racist is laughable. Taking a test to prove that you are covid negative is far less onerous on a traveler than most visa requirements.\n\nIt's definitely about punishing china, it's a part of the current cold war with China conducted by the USA.\n\nCite your sources. I could point to many Chinese government policies that i could say are part of the current cold war with the US without backing it up and it would be just as credible as what you said. Opinion is not a source, and not proof. You assume that the US government is racist, that this policy is racist and yet we have had travel bans imposed on other countries, as well as testing required for travelers from other countries imposed before, and other policies and so has China. For goodness sake China has been closed to foreigners for almost 3 years, and is still closed to foreign travel until January 2023. Is that a racist policy as well?", ">\n\nHere we go again.\nThis time I think I'll learn French cooking.", ">\n\n5000 People a day will have to die before Anybody says the word Lock down in the States ever again.", ">\n\nDon’t understand why people can’t handle staying at home for two weeks when it could potentially eradicate a deadly virus. Are we that weak?", ">\n\nWe did that in large part in March 2020. And did China not spend years locking down their citizens? \nPeoples savings are gone. They need to work. \nWearing a mask would do a lot to help the issue but people aren’t willing to do that anymore.", ">\n\nWe didn't do that though. We didn't all lock down when we were supposed to. Where I work I had to go in from the very start all the way through. Most people, the majority of people, didn't stay home even if they didn't have work. Most people didn't fuck with masks or keeping a distance, and even people who weren't antivaccers didn't take the vaccine seriously for the longest time. \nWe had no fucking lock down, unless you were a well-off celebrity or comedian who wanted to talk about being locked down for content. \nIf people legit locked down, they would have taken a small hit financially, but too many people didn't do shit and prolonged everything.", ">\n\nThe things is that it doesn't take long to drain peoples saving - becuase the overwhelming majority of people have practically none. \nSo an extended lockdown was never feasible unless the government was willing to pay several trillion dollars of expenses, not just 2 or 3 times but several times over.", ">\n\nI didn't dispute any of what you said. I pointed out that most people actively contested any safety measure and most people didn't actually lock down. Any extension will almost certainly be the fault of most of those people. \nI'd gladly let them all die if it meant the few people who did take things seriously didn't have to live through a Walking Dead scenario or have to take a huge financial hit because them.", ">\n\nMost people did lock down just fine initially. After a few weeks turned into a month or more, yeah people got testy.\nAdditionally, a gigantic amount of people work in critical industries and simply cant stay home. Just keeping the lights and water on requires tens of millions of workers, plus industries like plants and refineries that simply cannot shut down without massive long-term consequences.\nReddit is full of office people who can WFH, the vast majority of people cant.", ">\n\nI was one of those who couldn't stay home. Right out of the gate most people gave up on almost all of it except when they were making a show of complying when they had to. There was a lot of cheating. I walk through a lot of different areas. The waves of patients and bodies we got at work tracked with that and became predictable.", ">\n\nWhat’s that saying that ends with ”…doomed to repeat it?”", ">\n\nWhy not just require a negative test from everyone?", ">\n\nWho would you expect to pay for that?", ">\n\nGovernments or sponsors from the private sector ideally, I honestly don’t give a fuck. I’ve gotten many free tests from both and I’ve also bought some for like $8.", ">\n\n“Here we go again” from everyone in the comments. \nThe virus never stopped, we did.", ">\n\nVirus will always be there. Permanent restrictions are unsustainable", ">\n\n3 years later...\nIs this permanent?", ">\n\nI doubt there's anything that would make Republicans running in 2024 happier then Democrats advocating for a return to COVID restrictions.", ">\n\nRight? It’d be like the democrats fighting for gun control, or gay and trans rights, or safe and legal abortions. It would be political suicide to stand for something that Republicans don’t like!", ">\n\nMy understanding is that everything you listed is broadly popular or has at least a majority of American's in favor of it. A return to COVID restrictions is not in that category.", ">\n\nGun control isn’t even universally loved amongst the American left, as the hard left needs them for protection from the hard right they clash with, and the middle left does like having their guns taken as much as any middle right wing does, only mid left likes it", ">\n\nGallup has 57% of Americans feeling that in general gun laws should be more strict.", ">\n\nRegular people want kids to stop dying while in school. The problem is \"stricter laws\" is vague and no one can agree on what it means or give a serious proposal that would work, short of confiscation and bans, which are wildly unpopular.", ">\n\nVague political talking points is the best we’re going to get. Much as I’d love a Ross Perot style of breaking down every platform and promise, the general public doesn’t go for it. Buzz words are all we have the attention span for.", ">\n\nChina's COVID-19 surge raises odds of new coronavirus variants\nThings could get very ugly.", ">\n\nYou say this like covid hasn't been spreading rampantly through literally every country on the planet, mostly without any measures to stop the spread. Why does China get a different treatment and maybe countries should require tests from the US or Inida or Europe?", ">\n\nI agree. US was primarily the culprit of why COVID went rampant to begin with. We actively refused to enforce any sort of safety measures, just a mild suggestion of \"maybe wear a mask, if you want to, it's ok if you don't\" and \"we have vaccines if you want one, no pressure tho\". That was really our response to the world's deadliest pandemic.", ">\n\nWe actively made fun of zero covid approaches on reddit and now based on the comments on this thread we are suddenly pro “zero covid” approaches", ">\n\nEveryone finally watched contagion", ">\n\nSo far my 2023 bingo card is reading alooot of skull and crossbones, I think I might actually win at something next year, what does your score card look like?", ">\n\nWhen’s that $1200 going to hit my account?", ">\n\nI’m still living off mine from last time!", ">\n\nI’m still looking for mine", ">\n\nI’m waiting for that $600 bucks from Biden still, but that’s going right into my retirement!", ">\n\nYou dont get he meant to include any money you already received as well /s", ">\n\nI seem to remember campaign ads with $2000 checks.", ">\n\nYep they explicitly mentioned $2,000 checks.", ">\n\nMy comment was sarcasm but in retrospect there are so many neoliberals saying that word for word in all seriousness that I should and will add a sarcasm tag", ">\n\nThat's nice and all, but let's not act like we're not just ignoring our own COVID problems.", ">\n\n\n\"You don't have zero tolerance anymore? We can't tolerate that.\"\n\n- Country with 100% tolerance", ">\n\nWhy not require a negative COVID test from everyone entering the country? It’s like they don’t want COVID to be under control.", ">\n\nI think this is because China has a relatively low vaccination rate because they relied on lock downs. Now that lock downs are being ramped down, they are having a huge surge.", ">\n\nThe vaccination rate in China is considerably higher than the US (92% vs 81%). This is just another example of yellow peril", ">\n\nThank you for pointing this out. What I said above was wrong about the vaccination rate. I don’t know why exactly China is having a surge. 🤷‍♂️", ">\n\nTheir vaccination rate is high but their vaccine, SinoVac is based on old tech. It conveys effectively zero protection from variants when compared to all the other types of vaccines on the market.", ">\n\nYou guys are so full of shit. At 3 doses Sinovac gives the same protection as any western vaccine with boosters to help mitigate mutated variants. Stop spreading misinfo.", ">\n\n\"Does that thumbnail of someone getting tested read too much like 'screaming uselessly into the void'?\"\n\"I'm sure it'll be fine.\"", ">\n\nMaybe, just maybe they shouldnt have stopped testing airplane passengers in the first place... \nWe have cheap, readily available tests that take 10 minutes to complete. There’s really no reason not to test ever passenger before boarding...", ">\n\nEveryone I know who had Omicron tested negative until their symptoms cleared. It was evading the RATs, for some reason.", ">\n\nI tested positive on a rapid test two days after getting congested. Every teacher coworker of mine who bothered to test after getting cold symptoms also did. I think it's why so few parents now test their kids before sending time to school sick. They don't want to know so we all find out when we or our family members then test positive, missing work on their sick kids' behalf so they didn't have to. \nI have also heard the rapid test can give false negatives but anecdotal references don't mean much.", ">\n\nA day late and a dollar short. Same old song and dance.", ">\n\nWow, it’s like history literally repeating itself.", ">\n\nIndeed it is. I hope everyone is prepared for what’s next.", ">\n\nWe should require negative COVID tests for people to fly within the US, too.\nIt makes no difference to me if the person who infects me at LAX is coming in from China, or from Texas.", ">\n\nThere is a high chance anyone that comes from China has Covid right now. Low chance that someone inside America has.", ">\n\nNaw. China’s percent is much higher, sure, but it’s not like US infection rates are low. You can pretty much guarantee an infected American on every sold out domestic flight. The latest variants are super, super contagious, and it only takes one infected person to pose a serious risk to the other people sharing their space, and then all of their families and friends after they land. All flights should still require testing and masking at this point, or all we’ve really accomplished is pacifying the dimwits and xenophobes.\nI know at least 3 people who 100% contracted COVID while flying domestically in the US this last month - because they were isolated for the incubation period beforehand. They were masked the entire time they were in the airport and on the plane.", ">\n\nIf they were masked up and I assume vaccinated and still caught the virus then preventable measures like these aren’t that effective.", ">\n\nIs there a new strain of Covid that isn't in the U.S yet, otherwise what's the point.", ">\n\nUm testing should not ever stop.", ">\n\nAh shit here we go again", ">\n\n\"Who left the fridge open?\"", ">\n\nIt's \"just a cold\" unless it's a non-white person from another country carrying it.\n/s", ">\n\nChina implemented an ineffective vaccine and had 30m+ cases in one day. It’s specifically that gov. refusing to use effective vaccines", ">\n\nAnd the United States had effective vaccines that half the country is not willing to nor willing to wear masks, while complaining to other countries like China about their travel restrictions (from China and Hong Kong). And honestly I’m not oppose to a tighter restriction on China while they are experiencing a surge in new cases just as it did with any other countries that initially loosen covid restrictions, what makes me question this being race or politically motivated is the hypocrisy; people complained about China being oppressive when it was enforcing all the covid restrictions and when they loosen it “China doesn’t care about human lives”.\nSo what exactly do you want them to do?", ">\n\n\nto Require Negative Covid Tests for Travelers From China\n\nLuckily China is well known for its systemic unwillingness to fake or counterfeit things, so everything should be fine.\nhonest.", ">\n\nSeems purely retaliatory with no actual effectiveness.\nEnforcement is over a week away and presumably China has hit its peak already (flights being 40% positive)", ">\n\nThe rich rats are going to buy fake tests and jump ship breaking quarantine just like they did in the first wave. Cutting flights or enforcing quarantines is the only way to prevent this stuff from jumping oceans but god forbid anybody inhibit the jet setters.", ">\n\nHALF of the passengers on a plane from China going to Italy tested positive the other day (tested on arrival). Chances are most if not all of them had negative test results they could show that they took before they left. This won't do anything to stop people coming into the US while positive..we are going to have to go through this all over again and we won't have the same somewhat cooperative response in the US this time if it is a variant that evades immunity... It will get REALLY bad.", ">\n\nSeriously they know red states will just let them in and will never do another shut down again. So start dealt with out break countries this way to slow it down or corner it. But I see very very bad days ahead for China and Russia is starting to report out breaks too.", ">\n\nMust. When?", ">\n\nWe already require this from canada iirc\nEdit: i was wrong, canada requires it from us.", ">\n\nI hope we are talking PCR tests... those store-bought 15-minute ones struggle to get a positive if you have any sort of vaccination, even while symptomatic and miserable.", ">\n\nWell, a little bit of good news. I'll take it.", ">\n\nTravel should have been 100$ restricted a long time ago. Travel should be restricted to any country experiencing a COVID outbreak.", ">\n\nWonderful. Another round of Asian hating.", ">\n\nWho's hating on Asians? We're trying to stop this virus from killing people.", ">\n\nor… ban flights from china??", ">\n\nDoesn’t make sense in singling out China when covid is widespread in every single country", ">\n\nThe extent of covid in china atm is just absurd. Two weeks ago, they had 37 MILLION cases in one day. Think about that. Thats more people than a lot of countries! \nsource", ">\n\nI wonder why China has so much trouble with COVID compared to other countries, despite being so strict.", ">\n\nIt’s because they had the zero covid approaches that people are advocating for in this thread and they suddenly reversed course. Everyone in China is getting it so fast its likely the same variants quickly spreading in a population that suddenly reversed course. Having many people getting it over time and exposed to new generations of the virus (which is what happens over time) is more insidious but people here think thats fine", ">\n\nEveryone saying this is racist, do not pay attention to the world", ">\n\nIt was called racist and xenophobic when Trump did it. The left are hypocritical emotional wrecks.", ">\n\nnah trump was racist or did you forget he called it the “china virus” and subsequent hate crimes increased against adians", ">\n\nLet’s not change the subject. We’re talking about testing travelers from China here. Always trying to deflect.", ">\n\nIs that what he did, though? That and nothing else? This is a Fox News headline, but I bet there's a lot more to it. There usually is.\nFYI, Italy is also requiring testing of travelers from China at this time.\nBecause of the high number of cases in China at this time.", ">\n\nSo many dumb replies here. I am sad about where humankind is at.", ">\n\nRound two people", ">\n\nWe need to ramp up testing again at border.", ">\n\nChina trying to stop Covid…lol! Fail miserably at that, build a huge infected population, then unleash it on the world. Great job China /s", ">\n\nSell then the Moderna vaccine so they can treat themselves, ans end this debacle.", ">\n\nEven if US send Moderna and Phizer vaccine, China will not use it, because they boast about \"superior\" Chinese vaccine and don't want to lose face.\n​\nUntil they change their attitude, I suggest keeping restriction in place for PRC travelers.", ">\n\nOh definitely.", ">\n\nCCP exporting covid again.", ">\n\nPaywall - can anyone help me read the article? It sounds great in theory but why wait so long? That’s how this all started in 2020. Test now!", ">\n\nChina has been in quarantine until the protests. They have a very low of vaccinated people, so now everyone's breathing on each other's necks, squeezing in tight places and now introducing another pandemic. \nI believe a combination of everyone quarantined for too long and non vaccinated people are making this a very deadly spread.", ">\n\nTheir vaccination rate is not too bad, except among the elderly. But their vaccine was shit even before all the variants.\nThey've been trying to use lockdown to prevent spread and with the new variants that just won't work.\nSo yeah, they're pretty fucked.", ">\n\nVaccination rate is good, but the rate of people who are up to date on boosters is where they fall short even beyond just the elderly. It also doesn't help that the vaccine being used is overall less effective than the ones being used elsewhere like you said. Makes those booster shots many are lacking even more critical.", ">\n\nApparently Americans only get worried when it’s Chinese people spreading Covid as opposed to their own residents, citizens and Europeans.", ">\n\nseems xenophobic /s", ">\n\noh I'm sure conservatives will be very concerned about the \"freedoms\" of those travelers from China" ]
> Thank God Biden is doing this if it was Trump they call him racist .
[ "People from China will travel through Europe and come in to America from the east coast like they did when the pandemic started. This will do nothing if all travelers aboard aren’t made to test.", ">\n\nLet's hope EU and other countries do the same.", ">\n\nI don't know if they will. Australia (for example) had some of the toughest Covid policies and they've essentially just thrown them all out the window.\nSo I don't know how willing countries are to go back to being overly concerned about Covid.", ">\n\nThey should be concerned w chinese, it's spreading like wildfire in china. If we aren't careful, they will come out w covid 20.", ">\n\nIt’s spreading everywhere including the USA. This policy has nothing to do with science or medicine. It’s just politics.", ">\n\nNo. It’s circulating like mad in a population of 1 billion people who haven’t been exposed before. This is how new variants come about. Every country should require negative Covid test for china at least until it cycles through the population", ">\n\n\nNo. It’s circulating like mad in a population of 1 billion people who haven’t been exposed before.\n\nIt's also spreading like mad in all the countries of the world including the USA.\n\nThis is how new variants come about. \n\nAnd they have been for years now.\n\nEvery country should require negative Covid test for china at least until it cycles through the population\n\nOnly for political reasons. There is no scientific or rational demand for this. \nI get it, you hate china, most americans hate china so just be honest and say what you really mean.", ">\n\nStrains are spreading in the west yes, but there are new strains in China that are spreading and we don't know if our vaccines will work with those strains. We know the Chinese vaccines have a low efficacy rate and we know they are not mRNA vaccines which allow for easier adaptation to new strains. Making travelers with a Chinese passport take Covid tests at any and all airports is not racist or even unfair - a reminder that China has been relatively hard to travel to for the last 2 years because they were locked down to foreign travel as well. This is simply good policy from a public health measure, and you not wanting to see that for what it is and instead attribute it to a nascent American hatred for China is laughable. the World Health Organization estimated close to 800 million new cases in China in the next few months, with another estimate 4 million deaths and countless new strains coming out during that period. This is about protection populations, not punishing China.", ">\n\n\nStrains are spreading in the west yes, but there are new strains in China that are spreading and we don't know if our vaccines will work with those strains.\n\nYou don't know if vaccines work against any new variant even if that variant is from a country populated with white people.\n\nWe know the Chinese vaccines have a low efficacy rate and we know they are not mRNA vaccines which allow for easier adaptation to new strains. \n\nThe vaccine doesn't adapt once inside of your body you know that right?\n\nMaking travelers with a Chinese passport take Covid tests at any and all airports is not racist or even unfair \n\nit's definitely unfair and probably racist as well.\n\nhis is simply good policy from a public health measure, a\n\nA good policy would be to require vaccinations from everybody. Think about it, you are requiring a vaccine that you said doesn't even work. How much sense does that make?\n\nattribute it to a nascent American hatred for China is laughable.\n\nNascent?\n\nThis is about protection populations, not punishing China.\n\nIt's definitely about punishing china, it's a part of the current cold war with China conducted by the USA.", ">\n\n\nYou don't know if vaccines work against any new variant even if that variant is from a country populated with white people.\n\nAll the more reason to not invite more new strains into the country. White population or otherwise has nothing to do with it, expected rise in cases in China does.\n\nThe vaccine doesn't adapt once inside of your body you know that right?\n\nYou missed the point. The point i was making was that the Chinese medical system has not even approached Covid with an mRNA vaccine, and steadfastly refused to license western vaccines. If the vaccine most readily available in China has a 50% efficacy then the population is at more risk of contracting the virus and having negative results. The infection rates are increased with each new case of BA.7 (China is currently seeing each covid patient infecting on average 18 other people represented as 1:18, whereas the in US the rate is 1:3.9). Each of these factors increases the risk of developing new strains that are vaccine resistant. \n\nit's definitely unfair and probably racist as well\n\nIs it your position that nations cannot take any prescriptive action to prevent the spread of infected persons from other countries? Again i would remind you that China has basically been locked down for the last 2 years, with severe limitations to personal freedoms themselves. This is not based on race, but rather a government's inability to contain a contagious outbreak in their own country and not wanting it to spread. \n\nA good policy would be to require vaccinations from everybody. Think about it, you are requiring a vaccine that you said doesn't even work. How much sense does that make?\n\nThat might be your definition on good policy, but it isn't mine and that isn't how the west does it. \"I\" am not requiring a vaccine that \"I\" said doesn't work - that was your suggestion not mine. Also, i said the efficacy of the Chinese vaccine is 50% - based on available information - i never said it didn't work, and i never said that it should be mandatory or required.\n\nNascent?\n\nPoor and wrong word choice on my part it seems. What i meant was ascribing the US decision to require testing of Chinese travelers to racism because you believe that the US is racist is laughable. Taking a test to prove that you are covid negative is far less onerous on a traveler than most visa requirements.\n\nIt's definitely about punishing china, it's a part of the current cold war with China conducted by the USA.\n\nCite your sources. I could point to many Chinese government policies that i could say are part of the current cold war with the US without backing it up and it would be just as credible as what you said. Opinion is not a source, and not proof. You assume that the US government is racist, that this policy is racist and yet we have had travel bans imposed on other countries, as well as testing required for travelers from other countries imposed before, and other policies and so has China. For goodness sake China has been closed to foreigners for almost 3 years, and is still closed to foreign travel until January 2023. Is that a racist policy as well?", ">\n\nHere we go again.\nThis time I think I'll learn French cooking.", ">\n\n5000 People a day will have to die before Anybody says the word Lock down in the States ever again.", ">\n\nDon’t understand why people can’t handle staying at home for two weeks when it could potentially eradicate a deadly virus. Are we that weak?", ">\n\nWe did that in large part in March 2020. And did China not spend years locking down their citizens? \nPeoples savings are gone. They need to work. \nWearing a mask would do a lot to help the issue but people aren’t willing to do that anymore.", ">\n\nWe didn't do that though. We didn't all lock down when we were supposed to. Where I work I had to go in from the very start all the way through. Most people, the majority of people, didn't stay home even if they didn't have work. Most people didn't fuck with masks or keeping a distance, and even people who weren't antivaccers didn't take the vaccine seriously for the longest time. \nWe had no fucking lock down, unless you were a well-off celebrity or comedian who wanted to talk about being locked down for content. \nIf people legit locked down, they would have taken a small hit financially, but too many people didn't do shit and prolonged everything.", ">\n\nThe things is that it doesn't take long to drain peoples saving - becuase the overwhelming majority of people have practically none. \nSo an extended lockdown was never feasible unless the government was willing to pay several trillion dollars of expenses, not just 2 or 3 times but several times over.", ">\n\nI didn't dispute any of what you said. I pointed out that most people actively contested any safety measure and most people didn't actually lock down. Any extension will almost certainly be the fault of most of those people. \nI'd gladly let them all die if it meant the few people who did take things seriously didn't have to live through a Walking Dead scenario or have to take a huge financial hit because them.", ">\n\nMost people did lock down just fine initially. After a few weeks turned into a month or more, yeah people got testy.\nAdditionally, a gigantic amount of people work in critical industries and simply cant stay home. Just keeping the lights and water on requires tens of millions of workers, plus industries like plants and refineries that simply cannot shut down without massive long-term consequences.\nReddit is full of office people who can WFH, the vast majority of people cant.", ">\n\nI was one of those who couldn't stay home. Right out of the gate most people gave up on almost all of it except when they were making a show of complying when they had to. There was a lot of cheating. I walk through a lot of different areas. The waves of patients and bodies we got at work tracked with that and became predictable.", ">\n\nWhat’s that saying that ends with ”…doomed to repeat it?”", ">\n\nWhy not just require a negative test from everyone?", ">\n\nWho would you expect to pay for that?", ">\n\nGovernments or sponsors from the private sector ideally, I honestly don’t give a fuck. I’ve gotten many free tests from both and I’ve also bought some for like $8.", ">\n\n“Here we go again” from everyone in the comments. \nThe virus never stopped, we did.", ">\n\nVirus will always be there. Permanent restrictions are unsustainable", ">\n\n3 years later...\nIs this permanent?", ">\n\nI doubt there's anything that would make Republicans running in 2024 happier then Democrats advocating for a return to COVID restrictions.", ">\n\nRight? It’d be like the democrats fighting for gun control, or gay and trans rights, or safe and legal abortions. It would be political suicide to stand for something that Republicans don’t like!", ">\n\nMy understanding is that everything you listed is broadly popular or has at least a majority of American's in favor of it. A return to COVID restrictions is not in that category.", ">\n\nGun control isn’t even universally loved amongst the American left, as the hard left needs them for protection from the hard right they clash with, and the middle left does like having their guns taken as much as any middle right wing does, only mid left likes it", ">\n\nGallup has 57% of Americans feeling that in general gun laws should be more strict.", ">\n\nRegular people want kids to stop dying while in school. The problem is \"stricter laws\" is vague and no one can agree on what it means or give a serious proposal that would work, short of confiscation and bans, which are wildly unpopular.", ">\n\nVague political talking points is the best we’re going to get. Much as I’d love a Ross Perot style of breaking down every platform and promise, the general public doesn’t go for it. Buzz words are all we have the attention span for.", ">\n\nChina's COVID-19 surge raises odds of new coronavirus variants\nThings could get very ugly.", ">\n\nYou say this like covid hasn't been spreading rampantly through literally every country on the planet, mostly without any measures to stop the spread. Why does China get a different treatment and maybe countries should require tests from the US or Inida or Europe?", ">\n\nI agree. US was primarily the culprit of why COVID went rampant to begin with. We actively refused to enforce any sort of safety measures, just a mild suggestion of \"maybe wear a mask, if you want to, it's ok if you don't\" and \"we have vaccines if you want one, no pressure tho\". That was really our response to the world's deadliest pandemic.", ">\n\nWe actively made fun of zero covid approaches on reddit and now based on the comments on this thread we are suddenly pro “zero covid” approaches", ">\n\nEveryone finally watched contagion", ">\n\nSo far my 2023 bingo card is reading alooot of skull and crossbones, I think I might actually win at something next year, what does your score card look like?", ">\n\nWhen’s that $1200 going to hit my account?", ">\n\nI’m still living off mine from last time!", ">\n\nI’m still looking for mine", ">\n\nI’m waiting for that $600 bucks from Biden still, but that’s going right into my retirement!", ">\n\nYou dont get he meant to include any money you already received as well /s", ">\n\nI seem to remember campaign ads with $2000 checks.", ">\n\nYep they explicitly mentioned $2,000 checks.", ">\n\nMy comment was sarcasm but in retrospect there are so many neoliberals saying that word for word in all seriousness that I should and will add a sarcasm tag", ">\n\nThat's nice and all, but let's not act like we're not just ignoring our own COVID problems.", ">\n\n\n\"You don't have zero tolerance anymore? We can't tolerate that.\"\n\n- Country with 100% tolerance", ">\n\nWhy not require a negative COVID test from everyone entering the country? It’s like they don’t want COVID to be under control.", ">\n\nI think this is because China has a relatively low vaccination rate because they relied on lock downs. Now that lock downs are being ramped down, they are having a huge surge.", ">\n\nThe vaccination rate in China is considerably higher than the US (92% vs 81%). This is just another example of yellow peril", ">\n\nThank you for pointing this out. What I said above was wrong about the vaccination rate. I don’t know why exactly China is having a surge. 🤷‍♂️", ">\n\nTheir vaccination rate is high but their vaccine, SinoVac is based on old tech. It conveys effectively zero protection from variants when compared to all the other types of vaccines on the market.", ">\n\nYou guys are so full of shit. At 3 doses Sinovac gives the same protection as any western vaccine with boosters to help mitigate mutated variants. Stop spreading misinfo.", ">\n\n\"Does that thumbnail of someone getting tested read too much like 'screaming uselessly into the void'?\"\n\"I'm sure it'll be fine.\"", ">\n\nMaybe, just maybe they shouldnt have stopped testing airplane passengers in the first place... \nWe have cheap, readily available tests that take 10 minutes to complete. There’s really no reason not to test ever passenger before boarding...", ">\n\nEveryone I know who had Omicron tested negative until their symptoms cleared. It was evading the RATs, for some reason.", ">\n\nI tested positive on a rapid test two days after getting congested. Every teacher coworker of mine who bothered to test after getting cold symptoms also did. I think it's why so few parents now test their kids before sending time to school sick. They don't want to know so we all find out when we or our family members then test positive, missing work on their sick kids' behalf so they didn't have to. \nI have also heard the rapid test can give false negatives but anecdotal references don't mean much.", ">\n\nA day late and a dollar short. Same old song and dance.", ">\n\nWow, it’s like history literally repeating itself.", ">\n\nIndeed it is. I hope everyone is prepared for what’s next.", ">\n\nWe should require negative COVID tests for people to fly within the US, too.\nIt makes no difference to me if the person who infects me at LAX is coming in from China, or from Texas.", ">\n\nThere is a high chance anyone that comes from China has Covid right now. Low chance that someone inside America has.", ">\n\nNaw. China’s percent is much higher, sure, but it’s not like US infection rates are low. You can pretty much guarantee an infected American on every sold out domestic flight. The latest variants are super, super contagious, and it only takes one infected person to pose a serious risk to the other people sharing their space, and then all of their families and friends after they land. All flights should still require testing and masking at this point, or all we’ve really accomplished is pacifying the dimwits and xenophobes.\nI know at least 3 people who 100% contracted COVID while flying domestically in the US this last month - because they were isolated for the incubation period beforehand. They were masked the entire time they were in the airport and on the plane.", ">\n\nIf they were masked up and I assume vaccinated and still caught the virus then preventable measures like these aren’t that effective.", ">\n\nIs there a new strain of Covid that isn't in the U.S yet, otherwise what's the point.", ">\n\nUm testing should not ever stop.", ">\n\nAh shit here we go again", ">\n\n\"Who left the fridge open?\"", ">\n\nIt's \"just a cold\" unless it's a non-white person from another country carrying it.\n/s", ">\n\nChina implemented an ineffective vaccine and had 30m+ cases in one day. It’s specifically that gov. refusing to use effective vaccines", ">\n\nAnd the United States had effective vaccines that half the country is not willing to nor willing to wear masks, while complaining to other countries like China about their travel restrictions (from China and Hong Kong). And honestly I’m not oppose to a tighter restriction on China while they are experiencing a surge in new cases just as it did with any other countries that initially loosen covid restrictions, what makes me question this being race or politically motivated is the hypocrisy; people complained about China being oppressive when it was enforcing all the covid restrictions and when they loosen it “China doesn’t care about human lives”.\nSo what exactly do you want them to do?", ">\n\n\nto Require Negative Covid Tests for Travelers From China\n\nLuckily China is well known for its systemic unwillingness to fake or counterfeit things, so everything should be fine.\nhonest.", ">\n\nSeems purely retaliatory with no actual effectiveness.\nEnforcement is over a week away and presumably China has hit its peak already (flights being 40% positive)", ">\n\nThe rich rats are going to buy fake tests and jump ship breaking quarantine just like they did in the first wave. Cutting flights or enforcing quarantines is the only way to prevent this stuff from jumping oceans but god forbid anybody inhibit the jet setters.", ">\n\nHALF of the passengers on a plane from China going to Italy tested positive the other day (tested on arrival). Chances are most if not all of them had negative test results they could show that they took before they left. This won't do anything to stop people coming into the US while positive..we are going to have to go through this all over again and we won't have the same somewhat cooperative response in the US this time if it is a variant that evades immunity... It will get REALLY bad.", ">\n\nSeriously they know red states will just let them in and will never do another shut down again. So start dealt with out break countries this way to slow it down or corner it. But I see very very bad days ahead for China and Russia is starting to report out breaks too.", ">\n\nMust. When?", ">\n\nWe already require this from canada iirc\nEdit: i was wrong, canada requires it from us.", ">\n\nI hope we are talking PCR tests... those store-bought 15-minute ones struggle to get a positive if you have any sort of vaccination, even while symptomatic and miserable.", ">\n\nWell, a little bit of good news. I'll take it.", ">\n\nTravel should have been 100$ restricted a long time ago. Travel should be restricted to any country experiencing a COVID outbreak.", ">\n\nWonderful. Another round of Asian hating.", ">\n\nWho's hating on Asians? We're trying to stop this virus from killing people.", ">\n\nor… ban flights from china??", ">\n\nDoesn’t make sense in singling out China when covid is widespread in every single country", ">\n\nThe extent of covid in china atm is just absurd. Two weeks ago, they had 37 MILLION cases in one day. Think about that. Thats more people than a lot of countries! \nsource", ">\n\nI wonder why China has so much trouble with COVID compared to other countries, despite being so strict.", ">\n\nIt’s because they had the zero covid approaches that people are advocating for in this thread and they suddenly reversed course. Everyone in China is getting it so fast its likely the same variants quickly spreading in a population that suddenly reversed course. Having many people getting it over time and exposed to new generations of the virus (which is what happens over time) is more insidious but people here think thats fine", ">\n\nEveryone saying this is racist, do not pay attention to the world", ">\n\nIt was called racist and xenophobic when Trump did it. The left are hypocritical emotional wrecks.", ">\n\nnah trump was racist or did you forget he called it the “china virus” and subsequent hate crimes increased against adians", ">\n\nLet’s not change the subject. We’re talking about testing travelers from China here. Always trying to deflect.", ">\n\nIs that what he did, though? That and nothing else? This is a Fox News headline, but I bet there's a lot more to it. There usually is.\nFYI, Italy is also requiring testing of travelers from China at this time.\nBecause of the high number of cases in China at this time.", ">\n\nSo many dumb replies here. I am sad about where humankind is at.", ">\n\nRound two people", ">\n\nWe need to ramp up testing again at border.", ">\n\nChina trying to stop Covid…lol! Fail miserably at that, build a huge infected population, then unleash it on the world. Great job China /s", ">\n\nSell then the Moderna vaccine so they can treat themselves, ans end this debacle.", ">\n\nEven if US send Moderna and Phizer vaccine, China will not use it, because they boast about \"superior\" Chinese vaccine and don't want to lose face.\n​\nUntil they change their attitude, I suggest keeping restriction in place for PRC travelers.", ">\n\nOh definitely.", ">\n\nCCP exporting covid again.", ">\n\nPaywall - can anyone help me read the article? It sounds great in theory but why wait so long? That’s how this all started in 2020. Test now!", ">\n\nChina has been in quarantine until the protests. They have a very low of vaccinated people, so now everyone's breathing on each other's necks, squeezing in tight places and now introducing another pandemic. \nI believe a combination of everyone quarantined for too long and non vaccinated people are making this a very deadly spread.", ">\n\nTheir vaccination rate is not too bad, except among the elderly. But their vaccine was shit even before all the variants.\nThey've been trying to use lockdown to prevent spread and with the new variants that just won't work.\nSo yeah, they're pretty fucked.", ">\n\nVaccination rate is good, but the rate of people who are up to date on boosters is where they fall short even beyond just the elderly. It also doesn't help that the vaccine being used is overall less effective than the ones being used elsewhere like you said. Makes those booster shots many are lacking even more critical.", ">\n\nApparently Americans only get worried when it’s Chinese people spreading Covid as opposed to their own residents, citizens and Europeans.", ">\n\nseems xenophobic /s", ">\n\noh I'm sure conservatives will be very concerned about the \"freedoms\" of those travelers from China", ">\n\nHow's this going to work for the 75% of all our manufactured goods coming in from China?" ]
> Trump admin did this and it was hailed as a great idea, because it was. And is. Who tf cares who the man or president is when it comes to health? Why are some people like this?
[ "People from China will travel through Europe and come in to America from the east coast like they did when the pandemic started. This will do nothing if all travelers aboard aren’t made to test.", ">\n\nLet's hope EU and other countries do the same.", ">\n\nI don't know if they will. Australia (for example) had some of the toughest Covid policies and they've essentially just thrown them all out the window.\nSo I don't know how willing countries are to go back to being overly concerned about Covid.", ">\n\nThey should be concerned w chinese, it's spreading like wildfire in china. If we aren't careful, they will come out w covid 20.", ">\n\nIt’s spreading everywhere including the USA. This policy has nothing to do with science or medicine. It’s just politics.", ">\n\nNo. It’s circulating like mad in a population of 1 billion people who haven’t been exposed before. This is how new variants come about. Every country should require negative Covid test for china at least until it cycles through the population", ">\n\n\nNo. It’s circulating like mad in a population of 1 billion people who haven’t been exposed before.\n\nIt's also spreading like mad in all the countries of the world including the USA.\n\nThis is how new variants come about. \n\nAnd they have been for years now.\n\nEvery country should require negative Covid test for china at least until it cycles through the population\n\nOnly for political reasons. There is no scientific or rational demand for this. \nI get it, you hate china, most americans hate china so just be honest and say what you really mean.", ">\n\nStrains are spreading in the west yes, but there are new strains in China that are spreading and we don't know if our vaccines will work with those strains. We know the Chinese vaccines have a low efficacy rate and we know they are not mRNA vaccines which allow for easier adaptation to new strains. Making travelers with a Chinese passport take Covid tests at any and all airports is not racist or even unfair - a reminder that China has been relatively hard to travel to for the last 2 years because they were locked down to foreign travel as well. This is simply good policy from a public health measure, and you not wanting to see that for what it is and instead attribute it to a nascent American hatred for China is laughable. the World Health Organization estimated close to 800 million new cases in China in the next few months, with another estimate 4 million deaths and countless new strains coming out during that period. This is about protection populations, not punishing China.", ">\n\n\nStrains are spreading in the west yes, but there are new strains in China that are spreading and we don't know if our vaccines will work with those strains.\n\nYou don't know if vaccines work against any new variant even if that variant is from a country populated with white people.\n\nWe know the Chinese vaccines have a low efficacy rate and we know they are not mRNA vaccines which allow for easier adaptation to new strains. \n\nThe vaccine doesn't adapt once inside of your body you know that right?\n\nMaking travelers with a Chinese passport take Covid tests at any and all airports is not racist or even unfair \n\nit's definitely unfair and probably racist as well.\n\nhis is simply good policy from a public health measure, a\n\nA good policy would be to require vaccinations from everybody. Think about it, you are requiring a vaccine that you said doesn't even work. How much sense does that make?\n\nattribute it to a nascent American hatred for China is laughable.\n\nNascent?\n\nThis is about protection populations, not punishing China.\n\nIt's definitely about punishing china, it's a part of the current cold war with China conducted by the USA.", ">\n\n\nYou don't know if vaccines work against any new variant even if that variant is from a country populated with white people.\n\nAll the more reason to not invite more new strains into the country. White population or otherwise has nothing to do with it, expected rise in cases in China does.\n\nThe vaccine doesn't adapt once inside of your body you know that right?\n\nYou missed the point. The point i was making was that the Chinese medical system has not even approached Covid with an mRNA vaccine, and steadfastly refused to license western vaccines. If the vaccine most readily available in China has a 50% efficacy then the population is at more risk of contracting the virus and having negative results. The infection rates are increased with each new case of BA.7 (China is currently seeing each covid patient infecting on average 18 other people represented as 1:18, whereas the in US the rate is 1:3.9). Each of these factors increases the risk of developing new strains that are vaccine resistant. \n\nit's definitely unfair and probably racist as well\n\nIs it your position that nations cannot take any prescriptive action to prevent the spread of infected persons from other countries? Again i would remind you that China has basically been locked down for the last 2 years, with severe limitations to personal freedoms themselves. This is not based on race, but rather a government's inability to contain a contagious outbreak in their own country and not wanting it to spread. \n\nA good policy would be to require vaccinations from everybody. Think about it, you are requiring a vaccine that you said doesn't even work. How much sense does that make?\n\nThat might be your definition on good policy, but it isn't mine and that isn't how the west does it. \"I\" am not requiring a vaccine that \"I\" said doesn't work - that was your suggestion not mine. Also, i said the efficacy of the Chinese vaccine is 50% - based on available information - i never said it didn't work, and i never said that it should be mandatory or required.\n\nNascent?\n\nPoor and wrong word choice on my part it seems. What i meant was ascribing the US decision to require testing of Chinese travelers to racism because you believe that the US is racist is laughable. Taking a test to prove that you are covid negative is far less onerous on a traveler than most visa requirements.\n\nIt's definitely about punishing china, it's a part of the current cold war with China conducted by the USA.\n\nCite your sources. I could point to many Chinese government policies that i could say are part of the current cold war with the US without backing it up and it would be just as credible as what you said. Opinion is not a source, and not proof. You assume that the US government is racist, that this policy is racist and yet we have had travel bans imposed on other countries, as well as testing required for travelers from other countries imposed before, and other policies and so has China. For goodness sake China has been closed to foreigners for almost 3 years, and is still closed to foreign travel until January 2023. Is that a racist policy as well?", ">\n\nHere we go again.\nThis time I think I'll learn French cooking.", ">\n\n5000 People a day will have to die before Anybody says the word Lock down in the States ever again.", ">\n\nDon’t understand why people can’t handle staying at home for two weeks when it could potentially eradicate a deadly virus. Are we that weak?", ">\n\nWe did that in large part in March 2020. And did China not spend years locking down their citizens? \nPeoples savings are gone. They need to work. \nWearing a mask would do a lot to help the issue but people aren’t willing to do that anymore.", ">\n\nWe didn't do that though. We didn't all lock down when we were supposed to. Where I work I had to go in from the very start all the way through. Most people, the majority of people, didn't stay home even if they didn't have work. Most people didn't fuck with masks or keeping a distance, and even people who weren't antivaccers didn't take the vaccine seriously for the longest time. \nWe had no fucking lock down, unless you were a well-off celebrity or comedian who wanted to talk about being locked down for content. \nIf people legit locked down, they would have taken a small hit financially, but too many people didn't do shit and prolonged everything.", ">\n\nThe things is that it doesn't take long to drain peoples saving - becuase the overwhelming majority of people have practically none. \nSo an extended lockdown was never feasible unless the government was willing to pay several trillion dollars of expenses, not just 2 or 3 times but several times over.", ">\n\nI didn't dispute any of what you said. I pointed out that most people actively contested any safety measure and most people didn't actually lock down. Any extension will almost certainly be the fault of most of those people. \nI'd gladly let them all die if it meant the few people who did take things seriously didn't have to live through a Walking Dead scenario or have to take a huge financial hit because them.", ">\n\nMost people did lock down just fine initially. After a few weeks turned into a month or more, yeah people got testy.\nAdditionally, a gigantic amount of people work in critical industries and simply cant stay home. Just keeping the lights and water on requires tens of millions of workers, plus industries like plants and refineries that simply cannot shut down without massive long-term consequences.\nReddit is full of office people who can WFH, the vast majority of people cant.", ">\n\nI was one of those who couldn't stay home. Right out of the gate most people gave up on almost all of it except when they were making a show of complying when they had to. There was a lot of cheating. I walk through a lot of different areas. The waves of patients and bodies we got at work tracked with that and became predictable.", ">\n\nWhat’s that saying that ends with ”…doomed to repeat it?”", ">\n\nWhy not just require a negative test from everyone?", ">\n\nWho would you expect to pay for that?", ">\n\nGovernments or sponsors from the private sector ideally, I honestly don’t give a fuck. I’ve gotten many free tests from both and I’ve also bought some for like $8.", ">\n\n“Here we go again” from everyone in the comments. \nThe virus never stopped, we did.", ">\n\nVirus will always be there. Permanent restrictions are unsustainable", ">\n\n3 years later...\nIs this permanent?", ">\n\nI doubt there's anything that would make Republicans running in 2024 happier then Democrats advocating for a return to COVID restrictions.", ">\n\nRight? It’d be like the democrats fighting for gun control, or gay and trans rights, or safe and legal abortions. It would be political suicide to stand for something that Republicans don’t like!", ">\n\nMy understanding is that everything you listed is broadly popular or has at least a majority of American's in favor of it. A return to COVID restrictions is not in that category.", ">\n\nGun control isn’t even universally loved amongst the American left, as the hard left needs them for protection from the hard right they clash with, and the middle left does like having their guns taken as much as any middle right wing does, only mid left likes it", ">\n\nGallup has 57% of Americans feeling that in general gun laws should be more strict.", ">\n\nRegular people want kids to stop dying while in school. The problem is \"stricter laws\" is vague and no one can agree on what it means or give a serious proposal that would work, short of confiscation and bans, which are wildly unpopular.", ">\n\nVague political talking points is the best we’re going to get. Much as I’d love a Ross Perot style of breaking down every platform and promise, the general public doesn’t go for it. Buzz words are all we have the attention span for.", ">\n\nChina's COVID-19 surge raises odds of new coronavirus variants\nThings could get very ugly.", ">\n\nYou say this like covid hasn't been spreading rampantly through literally every country on the planet, mostly without any measures to stop the spread. Why does China get a different treatment and maybe countries should require tests from the US or Inida or Europe?", ">\n\nI agree. US was primarily the culprit of why COVID went rampant to begin with. We actively refused to enforce any sort of safety measures, just a mild suggestion of \"maybe wear a mask, if you want to, it's ok if you don't\" and \"we have vaccines if you want one, no pressure tho\". That was really our response to the world's deadliest pandemic.", ">\n\nWe actively made fun of zero covid approaches on reddit and now based on the comments on this thread we are suddenly pro “zero covid” approaches", ">\n\nEveryone finally watched contagion", ">\n\nSo far my 2023 bingo card is reading alooot of skull and crossbones, I think I might actually win at something next year, what does your score card look like?", ">\n\nWhen’s that $1200 going to hit my account?", ">\n\nI’m still living off mine from last time!", ">\n\nI’m still looking for mine", ">\n\nI’m waiting for that $600 bucks from Biden still, but that’s going right into my retirement!", ">\n\nYou dont get he meant to include any money you already received as well /s", ">\n\nI seem to remember campaign ads with $2000 checks.", ">\n\nYep they explicitly mentioned $2,000 checks.", ">\n\nMy comment was sarcasm but in retrospect there are so many neoliberals saying that word for word in all seriousness that I should and will add a sarcasm tag", ">\n\nThat's nice and all, but let's not act like we're not just ignoring our own COVID problems.", ">\n\n\n\"You don't have zero tolerance anymore? We can't tolerate that.\"\n\n- Country with 100% tolerance", ">\n\nWhy not require a negative COVID test from everyone entering the country? It’s like they don’t want COVID to be under control.", ">\n\nI think this is because China has a relatively low vaccination rate because they relied on lock downs. Now that lock downs are being ramped down, they are having a huge surge.", ">\n\nThe vaccination rate in China is considerably higher than the US (92% vs 81%). This is just another example of yellow peril", ">\n\nThank you for pointing this out. What I said above was wrong about the vaccination rate. I don’t know why exactly China is having a surge. 🤷‍♂️", ">\n\nTheir vaccination rate is high but their vaccine, SinoVac is based on old tech. It conveys effectively zero protection from variants when compared to all the other types of vaccines on the market.", ">\n\nYou guys are so full of shit. At 3 doses Sinovac gives the same protection as any western vaccine with boosters to help mitigate mutated variants. Stop spreading misinfo.", ">\n\n\"Does that thumbnail of someone getting tested read too much like 'screaming uselessly into the void'?\"\n\"I'm sure it'll be fine.\"", ">\n\nMaybe, just maybe they shouldnt have stopped testing airplane passengers in the first place... \nWe have cheap, readily available tests that take 10 minutes to complete. There’s really no reason not to test ever passenger before boarding...", ">\n\nEveryone I know who had Omicron tested negative until their symptoms cleared. It was evading the RATs, for some reason.", ">\n\nI tested positive on a rapid test two days after getting congested. Every teacher coworker of mine who bothered to test after getting cold symptoms also did. I think it's why so few parents now test their kids before sending time to school sick. They don't want to know so we all find out when we or our family members then test positive, missing work on their sick kids' behalf so they didn't have to. \nI have also heard the rapid test can give false negatives but anecdotal references don't mean much.", ">\n\nA day late and a dollar short. Same old song and dance.", ">\n\nWow, it’s like history literally repeating itself.", ">\n\nIndeed it is. I hope everyone is prepared for what’s next.", ">\n\nWe should require negative COVID tests for people to fly within the US, too.\nIt makes no difference to me if the person who infects me at LAX is coming in from China, or from Texas.", ">\n\nThere is a high chance anyone that comes from China has Covid right now. Low chance that someone inside America has.", ">\n\nNaw. China’s percent is much higher, sure, but it’s not like US infection rates are low. You can pretty much guarantee an infected American on every sold out domestic flight. The latest variants are super, super contagious, and it only takes one infected person to pose a serious risk to the other people sharing their space, and then all of their families and friends after they land. All flights should still require testing and masking at this point, or all we’ve really accomplished is pacifying the dimwits and xenophobes.\nI know at least 3 people who 100% contracted COVID while flying domestically in the US this last month - because they were isolated for the incubation period beforehand. They were masked the entire time they were in the airport and on the plane.", ">\n\nIf they were masked up and I assume vaccinated and still caught the virus then preventable measures like these aren’t that effective.", ">\n\nIs there a new strain of Covid that isn't in the U.S yet, otherwise what's the point.", ">\n\nUm testing should not ever stop.", ">\n\nAh shit here we go again", ">\n\n\"Who left the fridge open?\"", ">\n\nIt's \"just a cold\" unless it's a non-white person from another country carrying it.\n/s", ">\n\nChina implemented an ineffective vaccine and had 30m+ cases in one day. It’s specifically that gov. refusing to use effective vaccines", ">\n\nAnd the United States had effective vaccines that half the country is not willing to nor willing to wear masks, while complaining to other countries like China about their travel restrictions (from China and Hong Kong). And honestly I’m not oppose to a tighter restriction on China while they are experiencing a surge in new cases just as it did with any other countries that initially loosen covid restrictions, what makes me question this being race or politically motivated is the hypocrisy; people complained about China being oppressive when it was enforcing all the covid restrictions and when they loosen it “China doesn’t care about human lives”.\nSo what exactly do you want them to do?", ">\n\n\nto Require Negative Covid Tests for Travelers From China\n\nLuckily China is well known for its systemic unwillingness to fake or counterfeit things, so everything should be fine.\nhonest.", ">\n\nSeems purely retaliatory with no actual effectiveness.\nEnforcement is over a week away and presumably China has hit its peak already (flights being 40% positive)", ">\n\nThe rich rats are going to buy fake tests and jump ship breaking quarantine just like they did in the first wave. Cutting flights or enforcing quarantines is the only way to prevent this stuff from jumping oceans but god forbid anybody inhibit the jet setters.", ">\n\nHALF of the passengers on a plane from China going to Italy tested positive the other day (tested on arrival). Chances are most if not all of them had negative test results they could show that they took before they left. This won't do anything to stop people coming into the US while positive..we are going to have to go through this all over again and we won't have the same somewhat cooperative response in the US this time if it is a variant that evades immunity... It will get REALLY bad.", ">\n\nSeriously they know red states will just let them in and will never do another shut down again. So start dealt with out break countries this way to slow it down or corner it. But I see very very bad days ahead for China and Russia is starting to report out breaks too.", ">\n\nMust. When?", ">\n\nWe already require this from canada iirc\nEdit: i was wrong, canada requires it from us.", ">\n\nI hope we are talking PCR tests... those store-bought 15-minute ones struggle to get a positive if you have any sort of vaccination, even while symptomatic and miserable.", ">\n\nWell, a little bit of good news. I'll take it.", ">\n\nTravel should have been 100$ restricted a long time ago. Travel should be restricted to any country experiencing a COVID outbreak.", ">\n\nWonderful. Another round of Asian hating.", ">\n\nWho's hating on Asians? We're trying to stop this virus from killing people.", ">\n\nor… ban flights from china??", ">\n\nDoesn’t make sense in singling out China when covid is widespread in every single country", ">\n\nThe extent of covid in china atm is just absurd. Two weeks ago, they had 37 MILLION cases in one day. Think about that. Thats more people than a lot of countries! \nsource", ">\n\nI wonder why China has so much trouble with COVID compared to other countries, despite being so strict.", ">\n\nIt’s because they had the zero covid approaches that people are advocating for in this thread and they suddenly reversed course. Everyone in China is getting it so fast its likely the same variants quickly spreading in a population that suddenly reversed course. Having many people getting it over time and exposed to new generations of the virus (which is what happens over time) is more insidious but people here think thats fine", ">\n\nEveryone saying this is racist, do not pay attention to the world", ">\n\nIt was called racist and xenophobic when Trump did it. The left are hypocritical emotional wrecks.", ">\n\nnah trump was racist or did you forget he called it the “china virus” and subsequent hate crimes increased against adians", ">\n\nLet’s not change the subject. We’re talking about testing travelers from China here. Always trying to deflect.", ">\n\nIs that what he did, though? That and nothing else? This is a Fox News headline, but I bet there's a lot more to it. There usually is.\nFYI, Italy is also requiring testing of travelers from China at this time.\nBecause of the high number of cases in China at this time.", ">\n\nSo many dumb replies here. I am sad about where humankind is at.", ">\n\nRound two people", ">\n\nWe need to ramp up testing again at border.", ">\n\nChina trying to stop Covid…lol! Fail miserably at that, build a huge infected population, then unleash it on the world. Great job China /s", ">\n\nSell then the Moderna vaccine so they can treat themselves, ans end this debacle.", ">\n\nEven if US send Moderna and Phizer vaccine, China will not use it, because they boast about \"superior\" Chinese vaccine and don't want to lose face.\n​\nUntil they change their attitude, I suggest keeping restriction in place for PRC travelers.", ">\n\nOh definitely.", ">\n\nCCP exporting covid again.", ">\n\nPaywall - can anyone help me read the article? It sounds great in theory but why wait so long? That’s how this all started in 2020. Test now!", ">\n\nChina has been in quarantine until the protests. They have a very low of vaccinated people, so now everyone's breathing on each other's necks, squeezing in tight places and now introducing another pandemic. \nI believe a combination of everyone quarantined for too long and non vaccinated people are making this a very deadly spread.", ">\n\nTheir vaccination rate is not too bad, except among the elderly. But their vaccine was shit even before all the variants.\nThey've been trying to use lockdown to prevent spread and with the new variants that just won't work.\nSo yeah, they're pretty fucked.", ">\n\nVaccination rate is good, but the rate of people who are up to date on boosters is where they fall short even beyond just the elderly. It also doesn't help that the vaccine being used is overall less effective than the ones being used elsewhere like you said. Makes those booster shots many are lacking even more critical.", ">\n\nApparently Americans only get worried when it’s Chinese people spreading Covid as opposed to their own residents, citizens and Europeans.", ">\n\nseems xenophobic /s", ">\n\noh I'm sure conservatives will be very concerned about the \"freedoms\" of those travelers from China", ">\n\nHow's this going to work for the 75% of all our manufactured goods coming in from China?", ">\n\nThank God Biden is doing this if it was Trump they call him racist ." ]
> You know that wasnt true.
[ "People from China will travel through Europe and come in to America from the east coast like they did when the pandemic started. This will do nothing if all travelers aboard aren’t made to test.", ">\n\nLet's hope EU and other countries do the same.", ">\n\nI don't know if they will. Australia (for example) had some of the toughest Covid policies and they've essentially just thrown them all out the window.\nSo I don't know how willing countries are to go back to being overly concerned about Covid.", ">\n\nThey should be concerned w chinese, it's spreading like wildfire in china. If we aren't careful, they will come out w covid 20.", ">\n\nIt’s spreading everywhere including the USA. This policy has nothing to do with science or medicine. It’s just politics.", ">\n\nNo. It’s circulating like mad in a population of 1 billion people who haven’t been exposed before. This is how new variants come about. Every country should require negative Covid test for china at least until it cycles through the population", ">\n\n\nNo. It’s circulating like mad in a population of 1 billion people who haven’t been exposed before.\n\nIt's also spreading like mad in all the countries of the world including the USA.\n\nThis is how new variants come about. \n\nAnd they have been for years now.\n\nEvery country should require negative Covid test for china at least until it cycles through the population\n\nOnly for political reasons. There is no scientific or rational demand for this. \nI get it, you hate china, most americans hate china so just be honest and say what you really mean.", ">\n\nStrains are spreading in the west yes, but there are new strains in China that are spreading and we don't know if our vaccines will work with those strains. We know the Chinese vaccines have a low efficacy rate and we know they are not mRNA vaccines which allow for easier adaptation to new strains. Making travelers with a Chinese passport take Covid tests at any and all airports is not racist or even unfair - a reminder that China has been relatively hard to travel to for the last 2 years because they were locked down to foreign travel as well. This is simply good policy from a public health measure, and you not wanting to see that for what it is and instead attribute it to a nascent American hatred for China is laughable. the World Health Organization estimated close to 800 million new cases in China in the next few months, with another estimate 4 million deaths and countless new strains coming out during that period. This is about protection populations, not punishing China.", ">\n\n\nStrains are spreading in the west yes, but there are new strains in China that are spreading and we don't know if our vaccines will work with those strains.\n\nYou don't know if vaccines work against any new variant even if that variant is from a country populated with white people.\n\nWe know the Chinese vaccines have a low efficacy rate and we know they are not mRNA vaccines which allow for easier adaptation to new strains. \n\nThe vaccine doesn't adapt once inside of your body you know that right?\n\nMaking travelers with a Chinese passport take Covid tests at any and all airports is not racist or even unfair \n\nit's definitely unfair and probably racist as well.\n\nhis is simply good policy from a public health measure, a\n\nA good policy would be to require vaccinations from everybody. Think about it, you are requiring a vaccine that you said doesn't even work. How much sense does that make?\n\nattribute it to a nascent American hatred for China is laughable.\n\nNascent?\n\nThis is about protection populations, not punishing China.\n\nIt's definitely about punishing china, it's a part of the current cold war with China conducted by the USA.", ">\n\n\nYou don't know if vaccines work against any new variant even if that variant is from a country populated with white people.\n\nAll the more reason to not invite more new strains into the country. White population or otherwise has nothing to do with it, expected rise in cases in China does.\n\nThe vaccine doesn't adapt once inside of your body you know that right?\n\nYou missed the point. The point i was making was that the Chinese medical system has not even approached Covid with an mRNA vaccine, and steadfastly refused to license western vaccines. If the vaccine most readily available in China has a 50% efficacy then the population is at more risk of contracting the virus and having negative results. The infection rates are increased with each new case of BA.7 (China is currently seeing each covid patient infecting on average 18 other people represented as 1:18, whereas the in US the rate is 1:3.9). Each of these factors increases the risk of developing new strains that are vaccine resistant. \n\nit's definitely unfair and probably racist as well\n\nIs it your position that nations cannot take any prescriptive action to prevent the spread of infected persons from other countries? Again i would remind you that China has basically been locked down for the last 2 years, with severe limitations to personal freedoms themselves. This is not based on race, but rather a government's inability to contain a contagious outbreak in their own country and not wanting it to spread. \n\nA good policy would be to require vaccinations from everybody. Think about it, you are requiring a vaccine that you said doesn't even work. How much sense does that make?\n\nThat might be your definition on good policy, but it isn't mine and that isn't how the west does it. \"I\" am not requiring a vaccine that \"I\" said doesn't work - that was your suggestion not mine. Also, i said the efficacy of the Chinese vaccine is 50% - based on available information - i never said it didn't work, and i never said that it should be mandatory or required.\n\nNascent?\n\nPoor and wrong word choice on my part it seems. What i meant was ascribing the US decision to require testing of Chinese travelers to racism because you believe that the US is racist is laughable. Taking a test to prove that you are covid negative is far less onerous on a traveler than most visa requirements.\n\nIt's definitely about punishing china, it's a part of the current cold war with China conducted by the USA.\n\nCite your sources. I could point to many Chinese government policies that i could say are part of the current cold war with the US without backing it up and it would be just as credible as what you said. Opinion is not a source, and not proof. You assume that the US government is racist, that this policy is racist and yet we have had travel bans imposed on other countries, as well as testing required for travelers from other countries imposed before, and other policies and so has China. For goodness sake China has been closed to foreigners for almost 3 years, and is still closed to foreign travel until January 2023. Is that a racist policy as well?", ">\n\nHere we go again.\nThis time I think I'll learn French cooking.", ">\n\n5000 People a day will have to die before Anybody says the word Lock down in the States ever again.", ">\n\nDon’t understand why people can’t handle staying at home for two weeks when it could potentially eradicate a deadly virus. Are we that weak?", ">\n\nWe did that in large part in March 2020. And did China not spend years locking down their citizens? \nPeoples savings are gone. They need to work. \nWearing a mask would do a lot to help the issue but people aren’t willing to do that anymore.", ">\n\nWe didn't do that though. We didn't all lock down when we were supposed to. Where I work I had to go in from the very start all the way through. Most people, the majority of people, didn't stay home even if they didn't have work. Most people didn't fuck with masks or keeping a distance, and even people who weren't antivaccers didn't take the vaccine seriously for the longest time. \nWe had no fucking lock down, unless you were a well-off celebrity or comedian who wanted to talk about being locked down for content. \nIf people legit locked down, they would have taken a small hit financially, but too many people didn't do shit and prolonged everything.", ">\n\nThe things is that it doesn't take long to drain peoples saving - becuase the overwhelming majority of people have practically none. \nSo an extended lockdown was never feasible unless the government was willing to pay several trillion dollars of expenses, not just 2 or 3 times but several times over.", ">\n\nI didn't dispute any of what you said. I pointed out that most people actively contested any safety measure and most people didn't actually lock down. Any extension will almost certainly be the fault of most of those people. \nI'd gladly let them all die if it meant the few people who did take things seriously didn't have to live through a Walking Dead scenario or have to take a huge financial hit because them.", ">\n\nMost people did lock down just fine initially. After a few weeks turned into a month or more, yeah people got testy.\nAdditionally, a gigantic amount of people work in critical industries and simply cant stay home. Just keeping the lights and water on requires tens of millions of workers, plus industries like plants and refineries that simply cannot shut down without massive long-term consequences.\nReddit is full of office people who can WFH, the vast majority of people cant.", ">\n\nI was one of those who couldn't stay home. Right out of the gate most people gave up on almost all of it except when they were making a show of complying when they had to. There was a lot of cheating. I walk through a lot of different areas. The waves of patients and bodies we got at work tracked with that and became predictable.", ">\n\nWhat’s that saying that ends with ”…doomed to repeat it?”", ">\n\nWhy not just require a negative test from everyone?", ">\n\nWho would you expect to pay for that?", ">\n\nGovernments or sponsors from the private sector ideally, I honestly don’t give a fuck. I’ve gotten many free tests from both and I’ve also bought some for like $8.", ">\n\n“Here we go again” from everyone in the comments. \nThe virus never stopped, we did.", ">\n\nVirus will always be there. Permanent restrictions are unsustainable", ">\n\n3 years later...\nIs this permanent?", ">\n\nI doubt there's anything that would make Republicans running in 2024 happier then Democrats advocating for a return to COVID restrictions.", ">\n\nRight? It’d be like the democrats fighting for gun control, or gay and trans rights, or safe and legal abortions. It would be political suicide to stand for something that Republicans don’t like!", ">\n\nMy understanding is that everything you listed is broadly popular or has at least a majority of American's in favor of it. A return to COVID restrictions is not in that category.", ">\n\nGun control isn’t even universally loved amongst the American left, as the hard left needs them for protection from the hard right they clash with, and the middle left does like having their guns taken as much as any middle right wing does, only mid left likes it", ">\n\nGallup has 57% of Americans feeling that in general gun laws should be more strict.", ">\n\nRegular people want kids to stop dying while in school. The problem is \"stricter laws\" is vague and no one can agree on what it means or give a serious proposal that would work, short of confiscation and bans, which are wildly unpopular.", ">\n\nVague political talking points is the best we’re going to get. Much as I’d love a Ross Perot style of breaking down every platform and promise, the general public doesn’t go for it. Buzz words are all we have the attention span for.", ">\n\nChina's COVID-19 surge raises odds of new coronavirus variants\nThings could get very ugly.", ">\n\nYou say this like covid hasn't been spreading rampantly through literally every country on the planet, mostly without any measures to stop the spread. Why does China get a different treatment and maybe countries should require tests from the US or Inida or Europe?", ">\n\nI agree. US was primarily the culprit of why COVID went rampant to begin with. We actively refused to enforce any sort of safety measures, just a mild suggestion of \"maybe wear a mask, if you want to, it's ok if you don't\" and \"we have vaccines if you want one, no pressure tho\". That was really our response to the world's deadliest pandemic.", ">\n\nWe actively made fun of zero covid approaches on reddit and now based on the comments on this thread we are suddenly pro “zero covid” approaches", ">\n\nEveryone finally watched contagion", ">\n\nSo far my 2023 bingo card is reading alooot of skull and crossbones, I think I might actually win at something next year, what does your score card look like?", ">\n\nWhen’s that $1200 going to hit my account?", ">\n\nI’m still living off mine from last time!", ">\n\nI’m still looking for mine", ">\n\nI’m waiting for that $600 bucks from Biden still, but that’s going right into my retirement!", ">\n\nYou dont get he meant to include any money you already received as well /s", ">\n\nI seem to remember campaign ads with $2000 checks.", ">\n\nYep they explicitly mentioned $2,000 checks.", ">\n\nMy comment was sarcasm but in retrospect there are so many neoliberals saying that word for word in all seriousness that I should and will add a sarcasm tag", ">\n\nThat's nice and all, but let's not act like we're not just ignoring our own COVID problems.", ">\n\n\n\"You don't have zero tolerance anymore? We can't tolerate that.\"\n\n- Country with 100% tolerance", ">\n\nWhy not require a negative COVID test from everyone entering the country? It’s like they don’t want COVID to be under control.", ">\n\nI think this is because China has a relatively low vaccination rate because they relied on lock downs. Now that lock downs are being ramped down, they are having a huge surge.", ">\n\nThe vaccination rate in China is considerably higher than the US (92% vs 81%). This is just another example of yellow peril", ">\n\nThank you for pointing this out. What I said above was wrong about the vaccination rate. I don’t know why exactly China is having a surge. 🤷‍♂️", ">\n\nTheir vaccination rate is high but their vaccine, SinoVac is based on old tech. It conveys effectively zero protection from variants when compared to all the other types of vaccines on the market.", ">\n\nYou guys are so full of shit. At 3 doses Sinovac gives the same protection as any western vaccine with boosters to help mitigate mutated variants. Stop spreading misinfo.", ">\n\n\"Does that thumbnail of someone getting tested read too much like 'screaming uselessly into the void'?\"\n\"I'm sure it'll be fine.\"", ">\n\nMaybe, just maybe they shouldnt have stopped testing airplane passengers in the first place... \nWe have cheap, readily available tests that take 10 minutes to complete. There’s really no reason not to test ever passenger before boarding...", ">\n\nEveryone I know who had Omicron tested negative until their symptoms cleared. It was evading the RATs, for some reason.", ">\n\nI tested positive on a rapid test two days after getting congested. Every teacher coworker of mine who bothered to test after getting cold symptoms also did. I think it's why so few parents now test their kids before sending time to school sick. They don't want to know so we all find out when we or our family members then test positive, missing work on their sick kids' behalf so they didn't have to. \nI have also heard the rapid test can give false negatives but anecdotal references don't mean much.", ">\n\nA day late and a dollar short. Same old song and dance.", ">\n\nWow, it’s like history literally repeating itself.", ">\n\nIndeed it is. I hope everyone is prepared for what’s next.", ">\n\nWe should require negative COVID tests for people to fly within the US, too.\nIt makes no difference to me if the person who infects me at LAX is coming in from China, or from Texas.", ">\n\nThere is a high chance anyone that comes from China has Covid right now. Low chance that someone inside America has.", ">\n\nNaw. China’s percent is much higher, sure, but it’s not like US infection rates are low. You can pretty much guarantee an infected American on every sold out domestic flight. The latest variants are super, super contagious, and it only takes one infected person to pose a serious risk to the other people sharing their space, and then all of their families and friends after they land. All flights should still require testing and masking at this point, or all we’ve really accomplished is pacifying the dimwits and xenophobes.\nI know at least 3 people who 100% contracted COVID while flying domestically in the US this last month - because they were isolated for the incubation period beforehand. They were masked the entire time they were in the airport and on the plane.", ">\n\nIf they were masked up and I assume vaccinated and still caught the virus then preventable measures like these aren’t that effective.", ">\n\nIs there a new strain of Covid that isn't in the U.S yet, otherwise what's the point.", ">\n\nUm testing should not ever stop.", ">\n\nAh shit here we go again", ">\n\n\"Who left the fridge open?\"", ">\n\nIt's \"just a cold\" unless it's a non-white person from another country carrying it.\n/s", ">\n\nChina implemented an ineffective vaccine and had 30m+ cases in one day. It’s specifically that gov. refusing to use effective vaccines", ">\n\nAnd the United States had effective vaccines that half the country is not willing to nor willing to wear masks, while complaining to other countries like China about their travel restrictions (from China and Hong Kong). And honestly I’m not oppose to a tighter restriction on China while they are experiencing a surge in new cases just as it did with any other countries that initially loosen covid restrictions, what makes me question this being race or politically motivated is the hypocrisy; people complained about China being oppressive when it was enforcing all the covid restrictions and when they loosen it “China doesn’t care about human lives”.\nSo what exactly do you want them to do?", ">\n\n\nto Require Negative Covid Tests for Travelers From China\n\nLuckily China is well known for its systemic unwillingness to fake or counterfeit things, so everything should be fine.\nhonest.", ">\n\nSeems purely retaliatory with no actual effectiveness.\nEnforcement is over a week away and presumably China has hit its peak already (flights being 40% positive)", ">\n\nThe rich rats are going to buy fake tests and jump ship breaking quarantine just like they did in the first wave. Cutting flights or enforcing quarantines is the only way to prevent this stuff from jumping oceans but god forbid anybody inhibit the jet setters.", ">\n\nHALF of the passengers on a plane from China going to Italy tested positive the other day (tested on arrival). Chances are most if not all of them had negative test results they could show that they took before they left. This won't do anything to stop people coming into the US while positive..we are going to have to go through this all over again and we won't have the same somewhat cooperative response in the US this time if it is a variant that evades immunity... It will get REALLY bad.", ">\n\nSeriously they know red states will just let them in and will never do another shut down again. So start dealt with out break countries this way to slow it down or corner it. But I see very very bad days ahead for China and Russia is starting to report out breaks too.", ">\n\nMust. When?", ">\n\nWe already require this from canada iirc\nEdit: i was wrong, canada requires it from us.", ">\n\nI hope we are talking PCR tests... those store-bought 15-minute ones struggle to get a positive if you have any sort of vaccination, even while symptomatic and miserable.", ">\n\nWell, a little bit of good news. I'll take it.", ">\n\nTravel should have been 100$ restricted a long time ago. Travel should be restricted to any country experiencing a COVID outbreak.", ">\n\nWonderful. Another round of Asian hating.", ">\n\nWho's hating on Asians? We're trying to stop this virus from killing people.", ">\n\nor… ban flights from china??", ">\n\nDoesn’t make sense in singling out China when covid is widespread in every single country", ">\n\nThe extent of covid in china atm is just absurd. Two weeks ago, they had 37 MILLION cases in one day. Think about that. Thats more people than a lot of countries! \nsource", ">\n\nI wonder why China has so much trouble with COVID compared to other countries, despite being so strict.", ">\n\nIt’s because they had the zero covid approaches that people are advocating for in this thread and they suddenly reversed course. Everyone in China is getting it so fast its likely the same variants quickly spreading in a population that suddenly reversed course. Having many people getting it over time and exposed to new generations of the virus (which is what happens over time) is more insidious but people here think thats fine", ">\n\nEveryone saying this is racist, do not pay attention to the world", ">\n\nIt was called racist and xenophobic when Trump did it. The left are hypocritical emotional wrecks.", ">\n\nnah trump was racist or did you forget he called it the “china virus” and subsequent hate crimes increased against adians", ">\n\nLet’s not change the subject. We’re talking about testing travelers from China here. Always trying to deflect.", ">\n\nIs that what he did, though? That and nothing else? This is a Fox News headline, but I bet there's a lot more to it. There usually is.\nFYI, Italy is also requiring testing of travelers from China at this time.\nBecause of the high number of cases in China at this time.", ">\n\nSo many dumb replies here. I am sad about where humankind is at.", ">\n\nRound two people", ">\n\nWe need to ramp up testing again at border.", ">\n\nChina trying to stop Covid…lol! Fail miserably at that, build a huge infected population, then unleash it on the world. Great job China /s", ">\n\nSell then the Moderna vaccine so they can treat themselves, ans end this debacle.", ">\n\nEven if US send Moderna and Phizer vaccine, China will not use it, because they boast about \"superior\" Chinese vaccine and don't want to lose face.\n​\nUntil they change their attitude, I suggest keeping restriction in place for PRC travelers.", ">\n\nOh definitely.", ">\n\nCCP exporting covid again.", ">\n\nPaywall - can anyone help me read the article? It sounds great in theory but why wait so long? That’s how this all started in 2020. Test now!", ">\n\nChina has been in quarantine until the protests. They have a very low of vaccinated people, so now everyone's breathing on each other's necks, squeezing in tight places and now introducing another pandemic. \nI believe a combination of everyone quarantined for too long and non vaccinated people are making this a very deadly spread.", ">\n\nTheir vaccination rate is not too bad, except among the elderly. But their vaccine was shit even before all the variants.\nThey've been trying to use lockdown to prevent spread and with the new variants that just won't work.\nSo yeah, they're pretty fucked.", ">\n\nVaccination rate is good, but the rate of people who are up to date on boosters is where they fall short even beyond just the elderly. It also doesn't help that the vaccine being used is overall less effective than the ones being used elsewhere like you said. Makes those booster shots many are lacking even more critical.", ">\n\nApparently Americans only get worried when it’s Chinese people spreading Covid as opposed to their own residents, citizens and Europeans.", ">\n\nseems xenophobic /s", ">\n\noh I'm sure conservatives will be very concerned about the \"freedoms\" of those travelers from China", ">\n\nHow's this going to work for the 75% of all our manufactured goods coming in from China?", ">\n\nThank God Biden is doing this if it was Trump they call him racist .", ">\n\nTrump admin did this and it was hailed as a great idea, because it was. And is.\nWho tf cares who the man or president is when it comes to health? Why are some people like this?" ]
> Why would they make a move that would indisputably send hundreds of thousands of infected into the wider world including those that may wind up being infected with a new variant or two? Can we at least conclude that China does not care about this possibility? Is that verboten to say? Can an axiomatically correct statement still result in a ban?
[ "People from China will travel through Europe and come in to America from the east coast like they did when the pandemic started. This will do nothing if all travelers aboard aren’t made to test.", ">\n\nLet's hope EU and other countries do the same.", ">\n\nI don't know if they will. Australia (for example) had some of the toughest Covid policies and they've essentially just thrown them all out the window.\nSo I don't know how willing countries are to go back to being overly concerned about Covid.", ">\n\nThey should be concerned w chinese, it's spreading like wildfire in china. If we aren't careful, they will come out w covid 20.", ">\n\nIt’s spreading everywhere including the USA. This policy has nothing to do with science or medicine. It’s just politics.", ">\n\nNo. It’s circulating like mad in a population of 1 billion people who haven’t been exposed before. This is how new variants come about. Every country should require negative Covid test for china at least until it cycles through the population", ">\n\n\nNo. It’s circulating like mad in a population of 1 billion people who haven’t been exposed before.\n\nIt's also spreading like mad in all the countries of the world including the USA.\n\nThis is how new variants come about. \n\nAnd they have been for years now.\n\nEvery country should require negative Covid test for china at least until it cycles through the population\n\nOnly for political reasons. There is no scientific or rational demand for this. \nI get it, you hate china, most americans hate china so just be honest and say what you really mean.", ">\n\nStrains are spreading in the west yes, but there are new strains in China that are spreading and we don't know if our vaccines will work with those strains. We know the Chinese vaccines have a low efficacy rate and we know they are not mRNA vaccines which allow for easier adaptation to new strains. Making travelers with a Chinese passport take Covid tests at any and all airports is not racist or even unfair - a reminder that China has been relatively hard to travel to for the last 2 years because they were locked down to foreign travel as well. This is simply good policy from a public health measure, and you not wanting to see that for what it is and instead attribute it to a nascent American hatred for China is laughable. the World Health Organization estimated close to 800 million new cases in China in the next few months, with another estimate 4 million deaths and countless new strains coming out during that period. This is about protection populations, not punishing China.", ">\n\n\nStrains are spreading in the west yes, but there are new strains in China that are spreading and we don't know if our vaccines will work with those strains.\n\nYou don't know if vaccines work against any new variant even if that variant is from a country populated with white people.\n\nWe know the Chinese vaccines have a low efficacy rate and we know they are not mRNA vaccines which allow for easier adaptation to new strains. \n\nThe vaccine doesn't adapt once inside of your body you know that right?\n\nMaking travelers with a Chinese passport take Covid tests at any and all airports is not racist or even unfair \n\nit's definitely unfair and probably racist as well.\n\nhis is simply good policy from a public health measure, a\n\nA good policy would be to require vaccinations from everybody. Think about it, you are requiring a vaccine that you said doesn't even work. How much sense does that make?\n\nattribute it to a nascent American hatred for China is laughable.\n\nNascent?\n\nThis is about protection populations, not punishing China.\n\nIt's definitely about punishing china, it's a part of the current cold war with China conducted by the USA.", ">\n\n\nYou don't know if vaccines work against any new variant even if that variant is from a country populated with white people.\n\nAll the more reason to not invite more new strains into the country. White population or otherwise has nothing to do with it, expected rise in cases in China does.\n\nThe vaccine doesn't adapt once inside of your body you know that right?\n\nYou missed the point. The point i was making was that the Chinese medical system has not even approached Covid with an mRNA vaccine, and steadfastly refused to license western vaccines. If the vaccine most readily available in China has a 50% efficacy then the population is at more risk of contracting the virus and having negative results. The infection rates are increased with each new case of BA.7 (China is currently seeing each covid patient infecting on average 18 other people represented as 1:18, whereas the in US the rate is 1:3.9). Each of these factors increases the risk of developing new strains that are vaccine resistant. \n\nit's definitely unfair and probably racist as well\n\nIs it your position that nations cannot take any prescriptive action to prevent the spread of infected persons from other countries? Again i would remind you that China has basically been locked down for the last 2 years, with severe limitations to personal freedoms themselves. This is not based on race, but rather a government's inability to contain a contagious outbreak in their own country and not wanting it to spread. \n\nA good policy would be to require vaccinations from everybody. Think about it, you are requiring a vaccine that you said doesn't even work. How much sense does that make?\n\nThat might be your definition on good policy, but it isn't mine and that isn't how the west does it. \"I\" am not requiring a vaccine that \"I\" said doesn't work - that was your suggestion not mine. Also, i said the efficacy of the Chinese vaccine is 50% - based on available information - i never said it didn't work, and i never said that it should be mandatory or required.\n\nNascent?\n\nPoor and wrong word choice on my part it seems. What i meant was ascribing the US decision to require testing of Chinese travelers to racism because you believe that the US is racist is laughable. Taking a test to prove that you are covid negative is far less onerous on a traveler than most visa requirements.\n\nIt's definitely about punishing china, it's a part of the current cold war with China conducted by the USA.\n\nCite your sources. I could point to many Chinese government policies that i could say are part of the current cold war with the US without backing it up and it would be just as credible as what you said. Opinion is not a source, and not proof. You assume that the US government is racist, that this policy is racist and yet we have had travel bans imposed on other countries, as well as testing required for travelers from other countries imposed before, and other policies and so has China. For goodness sake China has been closed to foreigners for almost 3 years, and is still closed to foreign travel until January 2023. Is that a racist policy as well?", ">\n\nHere we go again.\nThis time I think I'll learn French cooking.", ">\n\n5000 People a day will have to die before Anybody says the word Lock down in the States ever again.", ">\n\nDon’t understand why people can’t handle staying at home for two weeks when it could potentially eradicate a deadly virus. Are we that weak?", ">\n\nWe did that in large part in March 2020. And did China not spend years locking down their citizens? \nPeoples savings are gone. They need to work. \nWearing a mask would do a lot to help the issue but people aren’t willing to do that anymore.", ">\n\nWe didn't do that though. We didn't all lock down when we were supposed to. Where I work I had to go in from the very start all the way through. Most people, the majority of people, didn't stay home even if they didn't have work. Most people didn't fuck with masks or keeping a distance, and even people who weren't antivaccers didn't take the vaccine seriously for the longest time. \nWe had no fucking lock down, unless you were a well-off celebrity or comedian who wanted to talk about being locked down for content. \nIf people legit locked down, they would have taken a small hit financially, but too many people didn't do shit and prolonged everything.", ">\n\nThe things is that it doesn't take long to drain peoples saving - becuase the overwhelming majority of people have practically none. \nSo an extended lockdown was never feasible unless the government was willing to pay several trillion dollars of expenses, not just 2 or 3 times but several times over.", ">\n\nI didn't dispute any of what you said. I pointed out that most people actively contested any safety measure and most people didn't actually lock down. Any extension will almost certainly be the fault of most of those people. \nI'd gladly let them all die if it meant the few people who did take things seriously didn't have to live through a Walking Dead scenario or have to take a huge financial hit because them.", ">\n\nMost people did lock down just fine initially. After a few weeks turned into a month or more, yeah people got testy.\nAdditionally, a gigantic amount of people work in critical industries and simply cant stay home. Just keeping the lights and water on requires tens of millions of workers, plus industries like plants and refineries that simply cannot shut down without massive long-term consequences.\nReddit is full of office people who can WFH, the vast majority of people cant.", ">\n\nI was one of those who couldn't stay home. Right out of the gate most people gave up on almost all of it except when they were making a show of complying when they had to. There was a lot of cheating. I walk through a lot of different areas. The waves of patients and bodies we got at work tracked with that and became predictable.", ">\n\nWhat’s that saying that ends with ”…doomed to repeat it?”", ">\n\nWhy not just require a negative test from everyone?", ">\n\nWho would you expect to pay for that?", ">\n\nGovernments or sponsors from the private sector ideally, I honestly don’t give a fuck. I’ve gotten many free tests from both and I’ve also bought some for like $8.", ">\n\n“Here we go again” from everyone in the comments. \nThe virus never stopped, we did.", ">\n\nVirus will always be there. Permanent restrictions are unsustainable", ">\n\n3 years later...\nIs this permanent?", ">\n\nI doubt there's anything that would make Republicans running in 2024 happier then Democrats advocating for a return to COVID restrictions.", ">\n\nRight? It’d be like the democrats fighting for gun control, or gay and trans rights, or safe and legal abortions. It would be political suicide to stand for something that Republicans don’t like!", ">\n\nMy understanding is that everything you listed is broadly popular or has at least a majority of American's in favor of it. A return to COVID restrictions is not in that category.", ">\n\nGun control isn’t even universally loved amongst the American left, as the hard left needs them for protection from the hard right they clash with, and the middle left does like having their guns taken as much as any middle right wing does, only mid left likes it", ">\n\nGallup has 57% of Americans feeling that in general gun laws should be more strict.", ">\n\nRegular people want kids to stop dying while in school. The problem is \"stricter laws\" is vague and no one can agree on what it means or give a serious proposal that would work, short of confiscation and bans, which are wildly unpopular.", ">\n\nVague political talking points is the best we’re going to get. Much as I’d love a Ross Perot style of breaking down every platform and promise, the general public doesn’t go for it. Buzz words are all we have the attention span for.", ">\n\nChina's COVID-19 surge raises odds of new coronavirus variants\nThings could get very ugly.", ">\n\nYou say this like covid hasn't been spreading rampantly through literally every country on the planet, mostly without any measures to stop the spread. Why does China get a different treatment and maybe countries should require tests from the US or Inida or Europe?", ">\n\nI agree. US was primarily the culprit of why COVID went rampant to begin with. We actively refused to enforce any sort of safety measures, just a mild suggestion of \"maybe wear a mask, if you want to, it's ok if you don't\" and \"we have vaccines if you want one, no pressure tho\". That was really our response to the world's deadliest pandemic.", ">\n\nWe actively made fun of zero covid approaches on reddit and now based on the comments on this thread we are suddenly pro “zero covid” approaches", ">\n\nEveryone finally watched contagion", ">\n\nSo far my 2023 bingo card is reading alooot of skull and crossbones, I think I might actually win at something next year, what does your score card look like?", ">\n\nWhen’s that $1200 going to hit my account?", ">\n\nI’m still living off mine from last time!", ">\n\nI’m still looking for mine", ">\n\nI’m waiting for that $600 bucks from Biden still, but that’s going right into my retirement!", ">\n\nYou dont get he meant to include any money you already received as well /s", ">\n\nI seem to remember campaign ads with $2000 checks.", ">\n\nYep they explicitly mentioned $2,000 checks.", ">\n\nMy comment was sarcasm but in retrospect there are so many neoliberals saying that word for word in all seriousness that I should and will add a sarcasm tag", ">\n\nThat's nice and all, but let's not act like we're not just ignoring our own COVID problems.", ">\n\n\n\"You don't have zero tolerance anymore? We can't tolerate that.\"\n\n- Country with 100% tolerance", ">\n\nWhy not require a negative COVID test from everyone entering the country? It’s like they don’t want COVID to be under control.", ">\n\nI think this is because China has a relatively low vaccination rate because they relied on lock downs. Now that lock downs are being ramped down, they are having a huge surge.", ">\n\nThe vaccination rate in China is considerably higher than the US (92% vs 81%). This is just another example of yellow peril", ">\n\nThank you for pointing this out. What I said above was wrong about the vaccination rate. I don’t know why exactly China is having a surge. 🤷‍♂️", ">\n\nTheir vaccination rate is high but their vaccine, SinoVac is based on old tech. It conveys effectively zero protection from variants when compared to all the other types of vaccines on the market.", ">\n\nYou guys are so full of shit. At 3 doses Sinovac gives the same protection as any western vaccine with boosters to help mitigate mutated variants. Stop spreading misinfo.", ">\n\n\"Does that thumbnail of someone getting tested read too much like 'screaming uselessly into the void'?\"\n\"I'm sure it'll be fine.\"", ">\n\nMaybe, just maybe they shouldnt have stopped testing airplane passengers in the first place... \nWe have cheap, readily available tests that take 10 minutes to complete. There’s really no reason not to test ever passenger before boarding...", ">\n\nEveryone I know who had Omicron tested negative until their symptoms cleared. It was evading the RATs, for some reason.", ">\n\nI tested positive on a rapid test two days after getting congested. Every teacher coworker of mine who bothered to test after getting cold symptoms also did. I think it's why so few parents now test their kids before sending time to school sick. They don't want to know so we all find out when we or our family members then test positive, missing work on their sick kids' behalf so they didn't have to. \nI have also heard the rapid test can give false negatives but anecdotal references don't mean much.", ">\n\nA day late and a dollar short. Same old song and dance.", ">\n\nWow, it’s like history literally repeating itself.", ">\n\nIndeed it is. I hope everyone is prepared for what’s next.", ">\n\nWe should require negative COVID tests for people to fly within the US, too.\nIt makes no difference to me if the person who infects me at LAX is coming in from China, or from Texas.", ">\n\nThere is a high chance anyone that comes from China has Covid right now. Low chance that someone inside America has.", ">\n\nNaw. China’s percent is much higher, sure, but it’s not like US infection rates are low. You can pretty much guarantee an infected American on every sold out domestic flight. The latest variants are super, super contagious, and it only takes one infected person to pose a serious risk to the other people sharing their space, and then all of their families and friends after they land. All flights should still require testing and masking at this point, or all we’ve really accomplished is pacifying the dimwits and xenophobes.\nI know at least 3 people who 100% contracted COVID while flying domestically in the US this last month - because they were isolated for the incubation period beforehand. They were masked the entire time they were in the airport and on the plane.", ">\n\nIf they were masked up and I assume vaccinated and still caught the virus then preventable measures like these aren’t that effective.", ">\n\nIs there a new strain of Covid that isn't in the U.S yet, otherwise what's the point.", ">\n\nUm testing should not ever stop.", ">\n\nAh shit here we go again", ">\n\n\"Who left the fridge open?\"", ">\n\nIt's \"just a cold\" unless it's a non-white person from another country carrying it.\n/s", ">\n\nChina implemented an ineffective vaccine and had 30m+ cases in one day. It’s specifically that gov. refusing to use effective vaccines", ">\n\nAnd the United States had effective vaccines that half the country is not willing to nor willing to wear masks, while complaining to other countries like China about their travel restrictions (from China and Hong Kong). And honestly I’m not oppose to a tighter restriction on China while they are experiencing a surge in new cases just as it did with any other countries that initially loosen covid restrictions, what makes me question this being race or politically motivated is the hypocrisy; people complained about China being oppressive when it was enforcing all the covid restrictions and when they loosen it “China doesn’t care about human lives”.\nSo what exactly do you want them to do?", ">\n\n\nto Require Negative Covid Tests for Travelers From China\n\nLuckily China is well known for its systemic unwillingness to fake or counterfeit things, so everything should be fine.\nhonest.", ">\n\nSeems purely retaliatory with no actual effectiveness.\nEnforcement is over a week away and presumably China has hit its peak already (flights being 40% positive)", ">\n\nThe rich rats are going to buy fake tests and jump ship breaking quarantine just like they did in the first wave. Cutting flights or enforcing quarantines is the only way to prevent this stuff from jumping oceans but god forbid anybody inhibit the jet setters.", ">\n\nHALF of the passengers on a plane from China going to Italy tested positive the other day (tested on arrival). Chances are most if not all of them had negative test results they could show that they took before they left. This won't do anything to stop people coming into the US while positive..we are going to have to go through this all over again and we won't have the same somewhat cooperative response in the US this time if it is a variant that evades immunity... It will get REALLY bad.", ">\n\nSeriously they know red states will just let them in and will never do another shut down again. So start dealt with out break countries this way to slow it down or corner it. But I see very very bad days ahead for China and Russia is starting to report out breaks too.", ">\n\nMust. When?", ">\n\nWe already require this from canada iirc\nEdit: i was wrong, canada requires it from us.", ">\n\nI hope we are talking PCR tests... those store-bought 15-minute ones struggle to get a positive if you have any sort of vaccination, even while symptomatic and miserable.", ">\n\nWell, a little bit of good news. I'll take it.", ">\n\nTravel should have been 100$ restricted a long time ago. Travel should be restricted to any country experiencing a COVID outbreak.", ">\n\nWonderful. Another round of Asian hating.", ">\n\nWho's hating on Asians? We're trying to stop this virus from killing people.", ">\n\nor… ban flights from china??", ">\n\nDoesn’t make sense in singling out China when covid is widespread in every single country", ">\n\nThe extent of covid in china atm is just absurd. Two weeks ago, they had 37 MILLION cases in one day. Think about that. Thats more people than a lot of countries! \nsource", ">\n\nI wonder why China has so much trouble with COVID compared to other countries, despite being so strict.", ">\n\nIt’s because they had the zero covid approaches that people are advocating for in this thread and they suddenly reversed course. Everyone in China is getting it so fast its likely the same variants quickly spreading in a population that suddenly reversed course. Having many people getting it over time and exposed to new generations of the virus (which is what happens over time) is more insidious but people here think thats fine", ">\n\nEveryone saying this is racist, do not pay attention to the world", ">\n\nIt was called racist and xenophobic when Trump did it. The left are hypocritical emotional wrecks.", ">\n\nnah trump was racist or did you forget he called it the “china virus” and subsequent hate crimes increased against adians", ">\n\nLet’s not change the subject. We’re talking about testing travelers from China here. Always trying to deflect.", ">\n\nIs that what he did, though? That and nothing else? This is a Fox News headline, but I bet there's a lot more to it. There usually is.\nFYI, Italy is also requiring testing of travelers from China at this time.\nBecause of the high number of cases in China at this time.", ">\n\nSo many dumb replies here. I am sad about where humankind is at.", ">\n\nRound two people", ">\n\nWe need to ramp up testing again at border.", ">\n\nChina trying to stop Covid…lol! Fail miserably at that, build a huge infected population, then unleash it on the world. Great job China /s", ">\n\nSell then the Moderna vaccine so they can treat themselves, ans end this debacle.", ">\n\nEven if US send Moderna and Phizer vaccine, China will not use it, because they boast about \"superior\" Chinese vaccine and don't want to lose face.\n​\nUntil they change their attitude, I suggest keeping restriction in place for PRC travelers.", ">\n\nOh definitely.", ">\n\nCCP exporting covid again.", ">\n\nPaywall - can anyone help me read the article? It sounds great in theory but why wait so long? That’s how this all started in 2020. Test now!", ">\n\nChina has been in quarantine until the protests. They have a very low of vaccinated people, so now everyone's breathing on each other's necks, squeezing in tight places and now introducing another pandemic. \nI believe a combination of everyone quarantined for too long and non vaccinated people are making this a very deadly spread.", ">\n\nTheir vaccination rate is not too bad, except among the elderly. But their vaccine was shit even before all the variants.\nThey've been trying to use lockdown to prevent spread and with the new variants that just won't work.\nSo yeah, they're pretty fucked.", ">\n\nVaccination rate is good, but the rate of people who are up to date on boosters is where they fall short even beyond just the elderly. It also doesn't help that the vaccine being used is overall less effective than the ones being used elsewhere like you said. Makes those booster shots many are lacking even more critical.", ">\n\nApparently Americans only get worried when it’s Chinese people spreading Covid as opposed to their own residents, citizens and Europeans.", ">\n\nseems xenophobic /s", ">\n\noh I'm sure conservatives will be very concerned about the \"freedoms\" of those travelers from China", ">\n\nHow's this going to work for the 75% of all our manufactured goods coming in from China?", ">\n\nThank God Biden is doing this if it was Trump they call him racist .", ">\n\nTrump admin did this and it was hailed as a great idea, because it was. And is.\nWho tf cares who the man or president is when it comes to health? Why are some people like this?", ">\n\nYou know that wasnt true." ]
> Sounds kinda racist.
[ "People from China will travel through Europe and come in to America from the east coast like they did when the pandemic started. This will do nothing if all travelers aboard aren’t made to test.", ">\n\nLet's hope EU and other countries do the same.", ">\n\nI don't know if they will. Australia (for example) had some of the toughest Covid policies and they've essentially just thrown them all out the window.\nSo I don't know how willing countries are to go back to being overly concerned about Covid.", ">\n\nThey should be concerned w chinese, it's spreading like wildfire in china. If we aren't careful, they will come out w covid 20.", ">\n\nIt’s spreading everywhere including the USA. This policy has nothing to do with science or medicine. It’s just politics.", ">\n\nNo. It’s circulating like mad in a population of 1 billion people who haven’t been exposed before. This is how new variants come about. Every country should require negative Covid test for china at least until it cycles through the population", ">\n\n\nNo. It’s circulating like mad in a population of 1 billion people who haven’t been exposed before.\n\nIt's also spreading like mad in all the countries of the world including the USA.\n\nThis is how new variants come about. \n\nAnd they have been for years now.\n\nEvery country should require negative Covid test for china at least until it cycles through the population\n\nOnly for political reasons. There is no scientific or rational demand for this. \nI get it, you hate china, most americans hate china so just be honest and say what you really mean.", ">\n\nStrains are spreading in the west yes, but there are new strains in China that are spreading and we don't know if our vaccines will work with those strains. We know the Chinese vaccines have a low efficacy rate and we know they are not mRNA vaccines which allow for easier adaptation to new strains. Making travelers with a Chinese passport take Covid tests at any and all airports is not racist or even unfair - a reminder that China has been relatively hard to travel to for the last 2 years because they were locked down to foreign travel as well. This is simply good policy from a public health measure, and you not wanting to see that for what it is and instead attribute it to a nascent American hatred for China is laughable. the World Health Organization estimated close to 800 million new cases in China in the next few months, with another estimate 4 million deaths and countless new strains coming out during that period. This is about protection populations, not punishing China.", ">\n\n\nStrains are spreading in the west yes, but there are new strains in China that are spreading and we don't know if our vaccines will work with those strains.\n\nYou don't know if vaccines work against any new variant even if that variant is from a country populated with white people.\n\nWe know the Chinese vaccines have a low efficacy rate and we know they are not mRNA vaccines which allow for easier adaptation to new strains. \n\nThe vaccine doesn't adapt once inside of your body you know that right?\n\nMaking travelers with a Chinese passport take Covid tests at any and all airports is not racist or even unfair \n\nit's definitely unfair and probably racist as well.\n\nhis is simply good policy from a public health measure, a\n\nA good policy would be to require vaccinations from everybody. Think about it, you are requiring a vaccine that you said doesn't even work. How much sense does that make?\n\nattribute it to a nascent American hatred for China is laughable.\n\nNascent?\n\nThis is about protection populations, not punishing China.\n\nIt's definitely about punishing china, it's a part of the current cold war with China conducted by the USA.", ">\n\n\nYou don't know if vaccines work against any new variant even if that variant is from a country populated with white people.\n\nAll the more reason to not invite more new strains into the country. White population or otherwise has nothing to do with it, expected rise in cases in China does.\n\nThe vaccine doesn't adapt once inside of your body you know that right?\n\nYou missed the point. The point i was making was that the Chinese medical system has not even approached Covid with an mRNA vaccine, and steadfastly refused to license western vaccines. If the vaccine most readily available in China has a 50% efficacy then the population is at more risk of contracting the virus and having negative results. The infection rates are increased with each new case of BA.7 (China is currently seeing each covid patient infecting on average 18 other people represented as 1:18, whereas the in US the rate is 1:3.9). Each of these factors increases the risk of developing new strains that are vaccine resistant. \n\nit's definitely unfair and probably racist as well\n\nIs it your position that nations cannot take any prescriptive action to prevent the spread of infected persons from other countries? Again i would remind you that China has basically been locked down for the last 2 years, with severe limitations to personal freedoms themselves. This is not based on race, but rather a government's inability to contain a contagious outbreak in their own country and not wanting it to spread. \n\nA good policy would be to require vaccinations from everybody. Think about it, you are requiring a vaccine that you said doesn't even work. How much sense does that make?\n\nThat might be your definition on good policy, but it isn't mine and that isn't how the west does it. \"I\" am not requiring a vaccine that \"I\" said doesn't work - that was your suggestion not mine. Also, i said the efficacy of the Chinese vaccine is 50% - based on available information - i never said it didn't work, and i never said that it should be mandatory or required.\n\nNascent?\n\nPoor and wrong word choice on my part it seems. What i meant was ascribing the US decision to require testing of Chinese travelers to racism because you believe that the US is racist is laughable. Taking a test to prove that you are covid negative is far less onerous on a traveler than most visa requirements.\n\nIt's definitely about punishing china, it's a part of the current cold war with China conducted by the USA.\n\nCite your sources. I could point to many Chinese government policies that i could say are part of the current cold war with the US without backing it up and it would be just as credible as what you said. Opinion is not a source, and not proof. You assume that the US government is racist, that this policy is racist and yet we have had travel bans imposed on other countries, as well as testing required for travelers from other countries imposed before, and other policies and so has China. For goodness sake China has been closed to foreigners for almost 3 years, and is still closed to foreign travel until January 2023. Is that a racist policy as well?", ">\n\nHere we go again.\nThis time I think I'll learn French cooking.", ">\n\n5000 People a day will have to die before Anybody says the word Lock down in the States ever again.", ">\n\nDon’t understand why people can’t handle staying at home for two weeks when it could potentially eradicate a deadly virus. Are we that weak?", ">\n\nWe did that in large part in March 2020. And did China not spend years locking down their citizens? \nPeoples savings are gone. They need to work. \nWearing a mask would do a lot to help the issue but people aren’t willing to do that anymore.", ">\n\nWe didn't do that though. We didn't all lock down when we were supposed to. Where I work I had to go in from the very start all the way through. Most people, the majority of people, didn't stay home even if they didn't have work. Most people didn't fuck with masks or keeping a distance, and even people who weren't antivaccers didn't take the vaccine seriously for the longest time. \nWe had no fucking lock down, unless you were a well-off celebrity or comedian who wanted to talk about being locked down for content. \nIf people legit locked down, they would have taken a small hit financially, but too many people didn't do shit and prolonged everything.", ">\n\nThe things is that it doesn't take long to drain peoples saving - becuase the overwhelming majority of people have practically none. \nSo an extended lockdown was never feasible unless the government was willing to pay several trillion dollars of expenses, not just 2 or 3 times but several times over.", ">\n\nI didn't dispute any of what you said. I pointed out that most people actively contested any safety measure and most people didn't actually lock down. Any extension will almost certainly be the fault of most of those people. \nI'd gladly let them all die if it meant the few people who did take things seriously didn't have to live through a Walking Dead scenario or have to take a huge financial hit because them.", ">\n\nMost people did lock down just fine initially. After a few weeks turned into a month or more, yeah people got testy.\nAdditionally, a gigantic amount of people work in critical industries and simply cant stay home. Just keeping the lights and water on requires tens of millions of workers, plus industries like plants and refineries that simply cannot shut down without massive long-term consequences.\nReddit is full of office people who can WFH, the vast majority of people cant.", ">\n\nI was one of those who couldn't stay home. Right out of the gate most people gave up on almost all of it except when they were making a show of complying when they had to. There was a lot of cheating. I walk through a lot of different areas. The waves of patients and bodies we got at work tracked with that and became predictable.", ">\n\nWhat’s that saying that ends with ”…doomed to repeat it?”", ">\n\nWhy not just require a negative test from everyone?", ">\n\nWho would you expect to pay for that?", ">\n\nGovernments or sponsors from the private sector ideally, I honestly don’t give a fuck. I’ve gotten many free tests from both and I’ve also bought some for like $8.", ">\n\n“Here we go again” from everyone in the comments. \nThe virus never stopped, we did.", ">\n\nVirus will always be there. Permanent restrictions are unsustainable", ">\n\n3 years later...\nIs this permanent?", ">\n\nI doubt there's anything that would make Republicans running in 2024 happier then Democrats advocating for a return to COVID restrictions.", ">\n\nRight? It’d be like the democrats fighting for gun control, or gay and trans rights, or safe and legal abortions. It would be political suicide to stand for something that Republicans don’t like!", ">\n\nMy understanding is that everything you listed is broadly popular or has at least a majority of American's in favor of it. A return to COVID restrictions is not in that category.", ">\n\nGun control isn’t even universally loved amongst the American left, as the hard left needs them for protection from the hard right they clash with, and the middle left does like having their guns taken as much as any middle right wing does, only mid left likes it", ">\n\nGallup has 57% of Americans feeling that in general gun laws should be more strict.", ">\n\nRegular people want kids to stop dying while in school. The problem is \"stricter laws\" is vague and no one can agree on what it means or give a serious proposal that would work, short of confiscation and bans, which are wildly unpopular.", ">\n\nVague political talking points is the best we’re going to get. Much as I’d love a Ross Perot style of breaking down every platform and promise, the general public doesn’t go for it. Buzz words are all we have the attention span for.", ">\n\nChina's COVID-19 surge raises odds of new coronavirus variants\nThings could get very ugly.", ">\n\nYou say this like covid hasn't been spreading rampantly through literally every country on the planet, mostly without any measures to stop the spread. Why does China get a different treatment and maybe countries should require tests from the US or Inida or Europe?", ">\n\nI agree. US was primarily the culprit of why COVID went rampant to begin with. We actively refused to enforce any sort of safety measures, just a mild suggestion of \"maybe wear a mask, if you want to, it's ok if you don't\" and \"we have vaccines if you want one, no pressure tho\". That was really our response to the world's deadliest pandemic.", ">\n\nWe actively made fun of zero covid approaches on reddit and now based on the comments on this thread we are suddenly pro “zero covid” approaches", ">\n\nEveryone finally watched contagion", ">\n\nSo far my 2023 bingo card is reading alooot of skull and crossbones, I think I might actually win at something next year, what does your score card look like?", ">\n\nWhen’s that $1200 going to hit my account?", ">\n\nI’m still living off mine from last time!", ">\n\nI’m still looking for mine", ">\n\nI’m waiting for that $600 bucks from Biden still, but that’s going right into my retirement!", ">\n\nYou dont get he meant to include any money you already received as well /s", ">\n\nI seem to remember campaign ads with $2000 checks.", ">\n\nYep they explicitly mentioned $2,000 checks.", ">\n\nMy comment was sarcasm but in retrospect there are so many neoliberals saying that word for word in all seriousness that I should and will add a sarcasm tag", ">\n\nThat's nice and all, but let's not act like we're not just ignoring our own COVID problems.", ">\n\n\n\"You don't have zero tolerance anymore? We can't tolerate that.\"\n\n- Country with 100% tolerance", ">\n\nWhy not require a negative COVID test from everyone entering the country? It’s like they don’t want COVID to be under control.", ">\n\nI think this is because China has a relatively low vaccination rate because they relied on lock downs. Now that lock downs are being ramped down, they are having a huge surge.", ">\n\nThe vaccination rate in China is considerably higher than the US (92% vs 81%). This is just another example of yellow peril", ">\n\nThank you for pointing this out. What I said above was wrong about the vaccination rate. I don’t know why exactly China is having a surge. 🤷‍♂️", ">\n\nTheir vaccination rate is high but their vaccine, SinoVac is based on old tech. It conveys effectively zero protection from variants when compared to all the other types of vaccines on the market.", ">\n\nYou guys are so full of shit. At 3 doses Sinovac gives the same protection as any western vaccine with boosters to help mitigate mutated variants. Stop spreading misinfo.", ">\n\n\"Does that thumbnail of someone getting tested read too much like 'screaming uselessly into the void'?\"\n\"I'm sure it'll be fine.\"", ">\n\nMaybe, just maybe they shouldnt have stopped testing airplane passengers in the first place... \nWe have cheap, readily available tests that take 10 minutes to complete. There’s really no reason not to test ever passenger before boarding...", ">\n\nEveryone I know who had Omicron tested negative until their symptoms cleared. It was evading the RATs, for some reason.", ">\n\nI tested positive on a rapid test two days after getting congested. Every teacher coworker of mine who bothered to test after getting cold symptoms also did. I think it's why so few parents now test their kids before sending time to school sick. They don't want to know so we all find out when we or our family members then test positive, missing work on their sick kids' behalf so they didn't have to. \nI have also heard the rapid test can give false negatives but anecdotal references don't mean much.", ">\n\nA day late and a dollar short. Same old song and dance.", ">\n\nWow, it’s like history literally repeating itself.", ">\n\nIndeed it is. I hope everyone is prepared for what’s next.", ">\n\nWe should require negative COVID tests for people to fly within the US, too.\nIt makes no difference to me if the person who infects me at LAX is coming in from China, or from Texas.", ">\n\nThere is a high chance anyone that comes from China has Covid right now. Low chance that someone inside America has.", ">\n\nNaw. China’s percent is much higher, sure, but it’s not like US infection rates are low. You can pretty much guarantee an infected American on every sold out domestic flight. The latest variants are super, super contagious, and it only takes one infected person to pose a serious risk to the other people sharing their space, and then all of their families and friends after they land. All flights should still require testing and masking at this point, or all we’ve really accomplished is pacifying the dimwits and xenophobes.\nI know at least 3 people who 100% contracted COVID while flying domestically in the US this last month - because they were isolated for the incubation period beforehand. They were masked the entire time they were in the airport and on the plane.", ">\n\nIf they were masked up and I assume vaccinated and still caught the virus then preventable measures like these aren’t that effective.", ">\n\nIs there a new strain of Covid that isn't in the U.S yet, otherwise what's the point.", ">\n\nUm testing should not ever stop.", ">\n\nAh shit here we go again", ">\n\n\"Who left the fridge open?\"", ">\n\nIt's \"just a cold\" unless it's a non-white person from another country carrying it.\n/s", ">\n\nChina implemented an ineffective vaccine and had 30m+ cases in one day. It’s specifically that gov. refusing to use effective vaccines", ">\n\nAnd the United States had effective vaccines that half the country is not willing to nor willing to wear masks, while complaining to other countries like China about their travel restrictions (from China and Hong Kong). And honestly I’m not oppose to a tighter restriction on China while they are experiencing a surge in new cases just as it did with any other countries that initially loosen covid restrictions, what makes me question this being race or politically motivated is the hypocrisy; people complained about China being oppressive when it was enforcing all the covid restrictions and when they loosen it “China doesn’t care about human lives”.\nSo what exactly do you want them to do?", ">\n\n\nto Require Negative Covid Tests for Travelers From China\n\nLuckily China is well known for its systemic unwillingness to fake or counterfeit things, so everything should be fine.\nhonest.", ">\n\nSeems purely retaliatory with no actual effectiveness.\nEnforcement is over a week away and presumably China has hit its peak already (flights being 40% positive)", ">\n\nThe rich rats are going to buy fake tests and jump ship breaking quarantine just like they did in the first wave. Cutting flights or enforcing quarantines is the only way to prevent this stuff from jumping oceans but god forbid anybody inhibit the jet setters.", ">\n\nHALF of the passengers on a plane from China going to Italy tested positive the other day (tested on arrival). Chances are most if not all of them had negative test results they could show that they took before they left. This won't do anything to stop people coming into the US while positive..we are going to have to go through this all over again and we won't have the same somewhat cooperative response in the US this time if it is a variant that evades immunity... It will get REALLY bad.", ">\n\nSeriously they know red states will just let them in and will never do another shut down again. So start dealt with out break countries this way to slow it down or corner it. But I see very very bad days ahead for China and Russia is starting to report out breaks too.", ">\n\nMust. When?", ">\n\nWe already require this from canada iirc\nEdit: i was wrong, canada requires it from us.", ">\n\nI hope we are talking PCR tests... those store-bought 15-minute ones struggle to get a positive if you have any sort of vaccination, even while symptomatic and miserable.", ">\n\nWell, a little bit of good news. I'll take it.", ">\n\nTravel should have been 100$ restricted a long time ago. Travel should be restricted to any country experiencing a COVID outbreak.", ">\n\nWonderful. Another round of Asian hating.", ">\n\nWho's hating on Asians? We're trying to stop this virus from killing people.", ">\n\nor… ban flights from china??", ">\n\nDoesn’t make sense in singling out China when covid is widespread in every single country", ">\n\nThe extent of covid in china atm is just absurd. Two weeks ago, they had 37 MILLION cases in one day. Think about that. Thats more people than a lot of countries! \nsource", ">\n\nI wonder why China has so much trouble with COVID compared to other countries, despite being so strict.", ">\n\nIt’s because they had the zero covid approaches that people are advocating for in this thread and they suddenly reversed course. Everyone in China is getting it so fast its likely the same variants quickly spreading in a population that suddenly reversed course. Having many people getting it over time and exposed to new generations of the virus (which is what happens over time) is more insidious but people here think thats fine", ">\n\nEveryone saying this is racist, do not pay attention to the world", ">\n\nIt was called racist and xenophobic when Trump did it. The left are hypocritical emotional wrecks.", ">\n\nnah trump was racist or did you forget he called it the “china virus” and subsequent hate crimes increased against adians", ">\n\nLet’s not change the subject. We’re talking about testing travelers from China here. Always trying to deflect.", ">\n\nIs that what he did, though? That and nothing else? This is a Fox News headline, but I bet there's a lot more to it. There usually is.\nFYI, Italy is also requiring testing of travelers from China at this time.\nBecause of the high number of cases in China at this time.", ">\n\nSo many dumb replies here. I am sad about where humankind is at.", ">\n\nRound two people", ">\n\nWe need to ramp up testing again at border.", ">\n\nChina trying to stop Covid…lol! Fail miserably at that, build a huge infected population, then unleash it on the world. Great job China /s", ">\n\nSell then the Moderna vaccine so they can treat themselves, ans end this debacle.", ">\n\nEven if US send Moderna and Phizer vaccine, China will not use it, because they boast about \"superior\" Chinese vaccine and don't want to lose face.\n​\nUntil they change their attitude, I suggest keeping restriction in place for PRC travelers.", ">\n\nOh definitely.", ">\n\nCCP exporting covid again.", ">\n\nPaywall - can anyone help me read the article? It sounds great in theory but why wait so long? That’s how this all started in 2020. Test now!", ">\n\nChina has been in quarantine until the protests. They have a very low of vaccinated people, so now everyone's breathing on each other's necks, squeezing in tight places and now introducing another pandemic. \nI believe a combination of everyone quarantined for too long and non vaccinated people are making this a very deadly spread.", ">\n\nTheir vaccination rate is not too bad, except among the elderly. But their vaccine was shit even before all the variants.\nThey've been trying to use lockdown to prevent spread and with the new variants that just won't work.\nSo yeah, they're pretty fucked.", ">\n\nVaccination rate is good, but the rate of people who are up to date on boosters is where they fall short even beyond just the elderly. It also doesn't help that the vaccine being used is overall less effective than the ones being used elsewhere like you said. Makes those booster shots many are lacking even more critical.", ">\n\nApparently Americans only get worried when it’s Chinese people spreading Covid as opposed to their own residents, citizens and Europeans.", ">\n\nseems xenophobic /s", ">\n\noh I'm sure conservatives will be very concerned about the \"freedoms\" of those travelers from China", ">\n\nHow's this going to work for the 75% of all our manufactured goods coming in from China?", ">\n\nThank God Biden is doing this if it was Trump they call him racist .", ">\n\nTrump admin did this and it was hailed as a great idea, because it was. And is.\nWho tf cares who the man or president is when it comes to health? Why are some people like this?", ">\n\nYou know that wasnt true.", ">\n\nWhy would they make a move that would indisputably send hundreds of thousands of infected into the wider world including those that may wind up being infected with a new variant or two? \nCan we at least conclude that China does not care about this possibility? Is that verboten to say?\nCan an axiomatically correct statement still result in a ban?" ]
> Makes absolute sense considering what's currently going on there. Canada should do the same. I'll even go as far as say suspend visas / entry from that part of the world temporarily, until they can get it under control
[ "People from China will travel through Europe and come in to America from the east coast like they did when the pandemic started. This will do nothing if all travelers aboard aren’t made to test.", ">\n\nLet's hope EU and other countries do the same.", ">\n\nI don't know if they will. Australia (for example) had some of the toughest Covid policies and they've essentially just thrown them all out the window.\nSo I don't know how willing countries are to go back to being overly concerned about Covid.", ">\n\nThey should be concerned w chinese, it's spreading like wildfire in china. If we aren't careful, they will come out w covid 20.", ">\n\nIt’s spreading everywhere including the USA. This policy has nothing to do with science or medicine. It’s just politics.", ">\n\nNo. It’s circulating like mad in a population of 1 billion people who haven’t been exposed before. This is how new variants come about. Every country should require negative Covid test for china at least until it cycles through the population", ">\n\n\nNo. It’s circulating like mad in a population of 1 billion people who haven’t been exposed before.\n\nIt's also spreading like mad in all the countries of the world including the USA.\n\nThis is how new variants come about. \n\nAnd they have been for years now.\n\nEvery country should require negative Covid test for china at least until it cycles through the population\n\nOnly for political reasons. There is no scientific or rational demand for this. \nI get it, you hate china, most americans hate china so just be honest and say what you really mean.", ">\n\nStrains are spreading in the west yes, but there are new strains in China that are spreading and we don't know if our vaccines will work with those strains. We know the Chinese vaccines have a low efficacy rate and we know they are not mRNA vaccines which allow for easier adaptation to new strains. Making travelers with a Chinese passport take Covid tests at any and all airports is not racist or even unfair - a reminder that China has been relatively hard to travel to for the last 2 years because they were locked down to foreign travel as well. This is simply good policy from a public health measure, and you not wanting to see that for what it is and instead attribute it to a nascent American hatred for China is laughable. the World Health Organization estimated close to 800 million new cases in China in the next few months, with another estimate 4 million deaths and countless new strains coming out during that period. This is about protection populations, not punishing China.", ">\n\n\nStrains are spreading in the west yes, but there are new strains in China that are spreading and we don't know if our vaccines will work with those strains.\n\nYou don't know if vaccines work against any new variant even if that variant is from a country populated with white people.\n\nWe know the Chinese vaccines have a low efficacy rate and we know they are not mRNA vaccines which allow for easier adaptation to new strains. \n\nThe vaccine doesn't adapt once inside of your body you know that right?\n\nMaking travelers with a Chinese passport take Covid tests at any and all airports is not racist or even unfair \n\nit's definitely unfair and probably racist as well.\n\nhis is simply good policy from a public health measure, a\n\nA good policy would be to require vaccinations from everybody. Think about it, you are requiring a vaccine that you said doesn't even work. How much sense does that make?\n\nattribute it to a nascent American hatred for China is laughable.\n\nNascent?\n\nThis is about protection populations, not punishing China.\n\nIt's definitely about punishing china, it's a part of the current cold war with China conducted by the USA.", ">\n\n\nYou don't know if vaccines work against any new variant even if that variant is from a country populated with white people.\n\nAll the more reason to not invite more new strains into the country. White population or otherwise has nothing to do with it, expected rise in cases in China does.\n\nThe vaccine doesn't adapt once inside of your body you know that right?\n\nYou missed the point. The point i was making was that the Chinese medical system has not even approached Covid with an mRNA vaccine, and steadfastly refused to license western vaccines. If the vaccine most readily available in China has a 50% efficacy then the population is at more risk of contracting the virus and having negative results. The infection rates are increased with each new case of BA.7 (China is currently seeing each covid patient infecting on average 18 other people represented as 1:18, whereas the in US the rate is 1:3.9). Each of these factors increases the risk of developing new strains that are vaccine resistant. \n\nit's definitely unfair and probably racist as well\n\nIs it your position that nations cannot take any prescriptive action to prevent the spread of infected persons from other countries? Again i would remind you that China has basically been locked down for the last 2 years, with severe limitations to personal freedoms themselves. This is not based on race, but rather a government's inability to contain a contagious outbreak in their own country and not wanting it to spread. \n\nA good policy would be to require vaccinations from everybody. Think about it, you are requiring a vaccine that you said doesn't even work. How much sense does that make?\n\nThat might be your definition on good policy, but it isn't mine and that isn't how the west does it. \"I\" am not requiring a vaccine that \"I\" said doesn't work - that was your suggestion not mine. Also, i said the efficacy of the Chinese vaccine is 50% - based on available information - i never said it didn't work, and i never said that it should be mandatory or required.\n\nNascent?\n\nPoor and wrong word choice on my part it seems. What i meant was ascribing the US decision to require testing of Chinese travelers to racism because you believe that the US is racist is laughable. Taking a test to prove that you are covid negative is far less onerous on a traveler than most visa requirements.\n\nIt's definitely about punishing china, it's a part of the current cold war with China conducted by the USA.\n\nCite your sources. I could point to many Chinese government policies that i could say are part of the current cold war with the US without backing it up and it would be just as credible as what you said. Opinion is not a source, and not proof. You assume that the US government is racist, that this policy is racist and yet we have had travel bans imposed on other countries, as well as testing required for travelers from other countries imposed before, and other policies and so has China. For goodness sake China has been closed to foreigners for almost 3 years, and is still closed to foreign travel until January 2023. Is that a racist policy as well?", ">\n\nHere we go again.\nThis time I think I'll learn French cooking.", ">\n\n5000 People a day will have to die before Anybody says the word Lock down in the States ever again.", ">\n\nDon’t understand why people can’t handle staying at home for two weeks when it could potentially eradicate a deadly virus. Are we that weak?", ">\n\nWe did that in large part in March 2020. And did China not spend years locking down their citizens? \nPeoples savings are gone. They need to work. \nWearing a mask would do a lot to help the issue but people aren’t willing to do that anymore.", ">\n\nWe didn't do that though. We didn't all lock down when we were supposed to. Where I work I had to go in from the very start all the way through. Most people, the majority of people, didn't stay home even if they didn't have work. Most people didn't fuck with masks or keeping a distance, and even people who weren't antivaccers didn't take the vaccine seriously for the longest time. \nWe had no fucking lock down, unless you were a well-off celebrity or comedian who wanted to talk about being locked down for content. \nIf people legit locked down, they would have taken a small hit financially, but too many people didn't do shit and prolonged everything.", ">\n\nThe things is that it doesn't take long to drain peoples saving - becuase the overwhelming majority of people have practically none. \nSo an extended lockdown was never feasible unless the government was willing to pay several trillion dollars of expenses, not just 2 or 3 times but several times over.", ">\n\nI didn't dispute any of what you said. I pointed out that most people actively contested any safety measure and most people didn't actually lock down. Any extension will almost certainly be the fault of most of those people. \nI'd gladly let them all die if it meant the few people who did take things seriously didn't have to live through a Walking Dead scenario or have to take a huge financial hit because them.", ">\n\nMost people did lock down just fine initially. After a few weeks turned into a month or more, yeah people got testy.\nAdditionally, a gigantic amount of people work in critical industries and simply cant stay home. Just keeping the lights and water on requires tens of millions of workers, plus industries like plants and refineries that simply cannot shut down without massive long-term consequences.\nReddit is full of office people who can WFH, the vast majority of people cant.", ">\n\nI was one of those who couldn't stay home. Right out of the gate most people gave up on almost all of it except when they were making a show of complying when they had to. There was a lot of cheating. I walk through a lot of different areas. The waves of patients and bodies we got at work tracked with that and became predictable.", ">\n\nWhat’s that saying that ends with ”…doomed to repeat it?”", ">\n\nWhy not just require a negative test from everyone?", ">\n\nWho would you expect to pay for that?", ">\n\nGovernments or sponsors from the private sector ideally, I honestly don’t give a fuck. I’ve gotten many free tests from both and I’ve also bought some for like $8.", ">\n\n“Here we go again” from everyone in the comments. \nThe virus never stopped, we did.", ">\n\nVirus will always be there. Permanent restrictions are unsustainable", ">\n\n3 years later...\nIs this permanent?", ">\n\nI doubt there's anything that would make Republicans running in 2024 happier then Democrats advocating for a return to COVID restrictions.", ">\n\nRight? It’d be like the democrats fighting for gun control, or gay and trans rights, or safe and legal abortions. It would be political suicide to stand for something that Republicans don’t like!", ">\n\nMy understanding is that everything you listed is broadly popular or has at least a majority of American's in favor of it. A return to COVID restrictions is not in that category.", ">\n\nGun control isn’t even universally loved amongst the American left, as the hard left needs them for protection from the hard right they clash with, and the middle left does like having their guns taken as much as any middle right wing does, only mid left likes it", ">\n\nGallup has 57% of Americans feeling that in general gun laws should be more strict.", ">\n\nRegular people want kids to stop dying while in school. The problem is \"stricter laws\" is vague and no one can agree on what it means or give a serious proposal that would work, short of confiscation and bans, which are wildly unpopular.", ">\n\nVague political talking points is the best we’re going to get. Much as I’d love a Ross Perot style of breaking down every platform and promise, the general public doesn’t go for it. Buzz words are all we have the attention span for.", ">\n\nChina's COVID-19 surge raises odds of new coronavirus variants\nThings could get very ugly.", ">\n\nYou say this like covid hasn't been spreading rampantly through literally every country on the planet, mostly without any measures to stop the spread. Why does China get a different treatment and maybe countries should require tests from the US or Inida or Europe?", ">\n\nI agree. US was primarily the culprit of why COVID went rampant to begin with. We actively refused to enforce any sort of safety measures, just a mild suggestion of \"maybe wear a mask, if you want to, it's ok if you don't\" and \"we have vaccines if you want one, no pressure tho\". That was really our response to the world's deadliest pandemic.", ">\n\nWe actively made fun of zero covid approaches on reddit and now based on the comments on this thread we are suddenly pro “zero covid” approaches", ">\n\nEveryone finally watched contagion", ">\n\nSo far my 2023 bingo card is reading alooot of skull and crossbones, I think I might actually win at something next year, what does your score card look like?", ">\n\nWhen’s that $1200 going to hit my account?", ">\n\nI’m still living off mine from last time!", ">\n\nI’m still looking for mine", ">\n\nI’m waiting for that $600 bucks from Biden still, but that’s going right into my retirement!", ">\n\nYou dont get he meant to include any money you already received as well /s", ">\n\nI seem to remember campaign ads with $2000 checks.", ">\n\nYep they explicitly mentioned $2,000 checks.", ">\n\nMy comment was sarcasm but in retrospect there are so many neoliberals saying that word for word in all seriousness that I should and will add a sarcasm tag", ">\n\nThat's nice and all, but let's not act like we're not just ignoring our own COVID problems.", ">\n\n\n\"You don't have zero tolerance anymore? We can't tolerate that.\"\n\n- Country with 100% tolerance", ">\n\nWhy not require a negative COVID test from everyone entering the country? It’s like they don’t want COVID to be under control.", ">\n\nI think this is because China has a relatively low vaccination rate because they relied on lock downs. Now that lock downs are being ramped down, they are having a huge surge.", ">\n\nThe vaccination rate in China is considerably higher than the US (92% vs 81%). This is just another example of yellow peril", ">\n\nThank you for pointing this out. What I said above was wrong about the vaccination rate. I don’t know why exactly China is having a surge. 🤷‍♂️", ">\n\nTheir vaccination rate is high but their vaccine, SinoVac is based on old tech. It conveys effectively zero protection from variants when compared to all the other types of vaccines on the market.", ">\n\nYou guys are so full of shit. At 3 doses Sinovac gives the same protection as any western vaccine with boosters to help mitigate mutated variants. Stop spreading misinfo.", ">\n\n\"Does that thumbnail of someone getting tested read too much like 'screaming uselessly into the void'?\"\n\"I'm sure it'll be fine.\"", ">\n\nMaybe, just maybe they shouldnt have stopped testing airplane passengers in the first place... \nWe have cheap, readily available tests that take 10 minutes to complete. There’s really no reason not to test ever passenger before boarding...", ">\n\nEveryone I know who had Omicron tested negative until their symptoms cleared. It was evading the RATs, for some reason.", ">\n\nI tested positive on a rapid test two days after getting congested. Every teacher coworker of mine who bothered to test after getting cold symptoms also did. I think it's why so few parents now test their kids before sending time to school sick. They don't want to know so we all find out when we or our family members then test positive, missing work on their sick kids' behalf so they didn't have to. \nI have also heard the rapid test can give false negatives but anecdotal references don't mean much.", ">\n\nA day late and a dollar short. Same old song and dance.", ">\n\nWow, it’s like history literally repeating itself.", ">\n\nIndeed it is. I hope everyone is prepared for what’s next.", ">\n\nWe should require negative COVID tests for people to fly within the US, too.\nIt makes no difference to me if the person who infects me at LAX is coming in from China, or from Texas.", ">\n\nThere is a high chance anyone that comes from China has Covid right now. Low chance that someone inside America has.", ">\n\nNaw. China’s percent is much higher, sure, but it’s not like US infection rates are low. You can pretty much guarantee an infected American on every sold out domestic flight. The latest variants are super, super contagious, and it only takes one infected person to pose a serious risk to the other people sharing their space, and then all of their families and friends after they land. All flights should still require testing and masking at this point, or all we’ve really accomplished is pacifying the dimwits and xenophobes.\nI know at least 3 people who 100% contracted COVID while flying domestically in the US this last month - because they were isolated for the incubation period beforehand. They were masked the entire time they were in the airport and on the plane.", ">\n\nIf they were masked up and I assume vaccinated and still caught the virus then preventable measures like these aren’t that effective.", ">\n\nIs there a new strain of Covid that isn't in the U.S yet, otherwise what's the point.", ">\n\nUm testing should not ever stop.", ">\n\nAh shit here we go again", ">\n\n\"Who left the fridge open?\"", ">\n\nIt's \"just a cold\" unless it's a non-white person from another country carrying it.\n/s", ">\n\nChina implemented an ineffective vaccine and had 30m+ cases in one day. It’s specifically that gov. refusing to use effective vaccines", ">\n\nAnd the United States had effective vaccines that half the country is not willing to nor willing to wear masks, while complaining to other countries like China about their travel restrictions (from China and Hong Kong). And honestly I’m not oppose to a tighter restriction on China while they are experiencing a surge in new cases just as it did with any other countries that initially loosen covid restrictions, what makes me question this being race or politically motivated is the hypocrisy; people complained about China being oppressive when it was enforcing all the covid restrictions and when they loosen it “China doesn’t care about human lives”.\nSo what exactly do you want them to do?", ">\n\n\nto Require Negative Covid Tests for Travelers From China\n\nLuckily China is well known for its systemic unwillingness to fake or counterfeit things, so everything should be fine.\nhonest.", ">\n\nSeems purely retaliatory with no actual effectiveness.\nEnforcement is over a week away and presumably China has hit its peak already (flights being 40% positive)", ">\n\nThe rich rats are going to buy fake tests and jump ship breaking quarantine just like they did in the first wave. Cutting flights or enforcing quarantines is the only way to prevent this stuff from jumping oceans but god forbid anybody inhibit the jet setters.", ">\n\nHALF of the passengers on a plane from China going to Italy tested positive the other day (tested on arrival). Chances are most if not all of them had negative test results they could show that they took before they left. This won't do anything to stop people coming into the US while positive..we are going to have to go through this all over again and we won't have the same somewhat cooperative response in the US this time if it is a variant that evades immunity... It will get REALLY bad.", ">\n\nSeriously they know red states will just let them in and will never do another shut down again. So start dealt with out break countries this way to slow it down or corner it. But I see very very bad days ahead for China and Russia is starting to report out breaks too.", ">\n\nMust. When?", ">\n\nWe already require this from canada iirc\nEdit: i was wrong, canada requires it from us.", ">\n\nI hope we are talking PCR tests... those store-bought 15-minute ones struggle to get a positive if you have any sort of vaccination, even while symptomatic and miserable.", ">\n\nWell, a little bit of good news. I'll take it.", ">\n\nTravel should have been 100$ restricted a long time ago. Travel should be restricted to any country experiencing a COVID outbreak.", ">\n\nWonderful. Another round of Asian hating.", ">\n\nWho's hating on Asians? We're trying to stop this virus from killing people.", ">\n\nor… ban flights from china??", ">\n\nDoesn’t make sense in singling out China when covid is widespread in every single country", ">\n\nThe extent of covid in china atm is just absurd. Two weeks ago, they had 37 MILLION cases in one day. Think about that. Thats more people than a lot of countries! \nsource", ">\n\nI wonder why China has so much trouble with COVID compared to other countries, despite being so strict.", ">\n\nIt’s because they had the zero covid approaches that people are advocating for in this thread and they suddenly reversed course. Everyone in China is getting it so fast its likely the same variants quickly spreading in a population that suddenly reversed course. Having many people getting it over time and exposed to new generations of the virus (which is what happens over time) is more insidious but people here think thats fine", ">\n\nEveryone saying this is racist, do not pay attention to the world", ">\n\nIt was called racist and xenophobic when Trump did it. The left are hypocritical emotional wrecks.", ">\n\nnah trump was racist or did you forget he called it the “china virus” and subsequent hate crimes increased against adians", ">\n\nLet’s not change the subject. We’re talking about testing travelers from China here. Always trying to deflect.", ">\n\nIs that what he did, though? That and nothing else? This is a Fox News headline, but I bet there's a lot more to it. There usually is.\nFYI, Italy is also requiring testing of travelers from China at this time.\nBecause of the high number of cases in China at this time.", ">\n\nSo many dumb replies here. I am sad about where humankind is at.", ">\n\nRound two people", ">\n\nWe need to ramp up testing again at border.", ">\n\nChina trying to stop Covid…lol! Fail miserably at that, build a huge infected population, then unleash it on the world. Great job China /s", ">\n\nSell then the Moderna vaccine so they can treat themselves, ans end this debacle.", ">\n\nEven if US send Moderna and Phizer vaccine, China will not use it, because they boast about \"superior\" Chinese vaccine and don't want to lose face.\n​\nUntil they change their attitude, I suggest keeping restriction in place for PRC travelers.", ">\n\nOh definitely.", ">\n\nCCP exporting covid again.", ">\n\nPaywall - can anyone help me read the article? It sounds great in theory but why wait so long? That’s how this all started in 2020. Test now!", ">\n\nChina has been in quarantine until the protests. They have a very low of vaccinated people, so now everyone's breathing on each other's necks, squeezing in tight places and now introducing another pandemic. \nI believe a combination of everyone quarantined for too long and non vaccinated people are making this a very deadly spread.", ">\n\nTheir vaccination rate is not too bad, except among the elderly. But their vaccine was shit even before all the variants.\nThey've been trying to use lockdown to prevent spread and with the new variants that just won't work.\nSo yeah, they're pretty fucked.", ">\n\nVaccination rate is good, but the rate of people who are up to date on boosters is where they fall short even beyond just the elderly. It also doesn't help that the vaccine being used is overall less effective than the ones being used elsewhere like you said. Makes those booster shots many are lacking even more critical.", ">\n\nApparently Americans only get worried when it’s Chinese people spreading Covid as opposed to their own residents, citizens and Europeans.", ">\n\nseems xenophobic /s", ">\n\noh I'm sure conservatives will be very concerned about the \"freedoms\" of those travelers from China", ">\n\nHow's this going to work for the 75% of all our manufactured goods coming in from China?", ">\n\nThank God Biden is doing this if it was Trump they call him racist .", ">\n\nTrump admin did this and it was hailed as a great idea, because it was. And is.\nWho tf cares who the man or president is when it comes to health? Why are some people like this?", ">\n\nYou know that wasnt true.", ">\n\nWhy would they make a move that would indisputably send hundreds of thousands of infected into the wider world including those that may wind up being infected with a new variant or two? \nCan we at least conclude that China does not care about this possibility? Is that verboten to say?\nCan an axiomatically correct statement still result in a ban?", ">\n\nSounds kinda racist." ]
> Makes sense. China is exploding with covid and who knows if/when the next bad variant develops there.
[ "People from China will travel through Europe and come in to America from the east coast like they did when the pandemic started. This will do nothing if all travelers aboard aren’t made to test.", ">\n\nLet's hope EU and other countries do the same.", ">\n\nI don't know if they will. Australia (for example) had some of the toughest Covid policies and they've essentially just thrown them all out the window.\nSo I don't know how willing countries are to go back to being overly concerned about Covid.", ">\n\nThey should be concerned w chinese, it's spreading like wildfire in china. If we aren't careful, they will come out w covid 20.", ">\n\nIt’s spreading everywhere including the USA. This policy has nothing to do with science or medicine. It’s just politics.", ">\n\nNo. It’s circulating like mad in a population of 1 billion people who haven’t been exposed before. This is how new variants come about. Every country should require negative Covid test for china at least until it cycles through the population", ">\n\n\nNo. It’s circulating like mad in a population of 1 billion people who haven’t been exposed before.\n\nIt's also spreading like mad in all the countries of the world including the USA.\n\nThis is how new variants come about. \n\nAnd they have been for years now.\n\nEvery country should require negative Covid test for china at least until it cycles through the population\n\nOnly for political reasons. There is no scientific or rational demand for this. \nI get it, you hate china, most americans hate china so just be honest and say what you really mean.", ">\n\nStrains are spreading in the west yes, but there are new strains in China that are spreading and we don't know if our vaccines will work with those strains. We know the Chinese vaccines have a low efficacy rate and we know they are not mRNA vaccines which allow for easier adaptation to new strains. Making travelers with a Chinese passport take Covid tests at any and all airports is not racist or even unfair - a reminder that China has been relatively hard to travel to for the last 2 years because they were locked down to foreign travel as well. This is simply good policy from a public health measure, and you not wanting to see that for what it is and instead attribute it to a nascent American hatred for China is laughable. the World Health Organization estimated close to 800 million new cases in China in the next few months, with another estimate 4 million deaths and countless new strains coming out during that period. This is about protection populations, not punishing China.", ">\n\n\nStrains are spreading in the west yes, but there are new strains in China that are spreading and we don't know if our vaccines will work with those strains.\n\nYou don't know if vaccines work against any new variant even if that variant is from a country populated with white people.\n\nWe know the Chinese vaccines have a low efficacy rate and we know they are not mRNA vaccines which allow for easier adaptation to new strains. \n\nThe vaccine doesn't adapt once inside of your body you know that right?\n\nMaking travelers with a Chinese passport take Covid tests at any and all airports is not racist or even unfair \n\nit's definitely unfair and probably racist as well.\n\nhis is simply good policy from a public health measure, a\n\nA good policy would be to require vaccinations from everybody. Think about it, you are requiring a vaccine that you said doesn't even work. How much sense does that make?\n\nattribute it to a nascent American hatred for China is laughable.\n\nNascent?\n\nThis is about protection populations, not punishing China.\n\nIt's definitely about punishing china, it's a part of the current cold war with China conducted by the USA.", ">\n\n\nYou don't know if vaccines work against any new variant even if that variant is from a country populated with white people.\n\nAll the more reason to not invite more new strains into the country. White population or otherwise has nothing to do with it, expected rise in cases in China does.\n\nThe vaccine doesn't adapt once inside of your body you know that right?\n\nYou missed the point. The point i was making was that the Chinese medical system has not even approached Covid with an mRNA vaccine, and steadfastly refused to license western vaccines. If the vaccine most readily available in China has a 50% efficacy then the population is at more risk of contracting the virus and having negative results. The infection rates are increased with each new case of BA.7 (China is currently seeing each covid patient infecting on average 18 other people represented as 1:18, whereas the in US the rate is 1:3.9). Each of these factors increases the risk of developing new strains that are vaccine resistant. \n\nit's definitely unfair and probably racist as well\n\nIs it your position that nations cannot take any prescriptive action to prevent the spread of infected persons from other countries? Again i would remind you that China has basically been locked down for the last 2 years, with severe limitations to personal freedoms themselves. This is not based on race, but rather a government's inability to contain a contagious outbreak in their own country and not wanting it to spread. \n\nA good policy would be to require vaccinations from everybody. Think about it, you are requiring a vaccine that you said doesn't even work. How much sense does that make?\n\nThat might be your definition on good policy, but it isn't mine and that isn't how the west does it. \"I\" am not requiring a vaccine that \"I\" said doesn't work - that was your suggestion not mine. Also, i said the efficacy of the Chinese vaccine is 50% - based on available information - i never said it didn't work, and i never said that it should be mandatory or required.\n\nNascent?\n\nPoor and wrong word choice on my part it seems. What i meant was ascribing the US decision to require testing of Chinese travelers to racism because you believe that the US is racist is laughable. Taking a test to prove that you are covid negative is far less onerous on a traveler than most visa requirements.\n\nIt's definitely about punishing china, it's a part of the current cold war with China conducted by the USA.\n\nCite your sources. I could point to many Chinese government policies that i could say are part of the current cold war with the US without backing it up and it would be just as credible as what you said. Opinion is not a source, and not proof. You assume that the US government is racist, that this policy is racist and yet we have had travel bans imposed on other countries, as well as testing required for travelers from other countries imposed before, and other policies and so has China. For goodness sake China has been closed to foreigners for almost 3 years, and is still closed to foreign travel until January 2023. Is that a racist policy as well?", ">\n\nHere we go again.\nThis time I think I'll learn French cooking.", ">\n\n5000 People a day will have to die before Anybody says the word Lock down in the States ever again.", ">\n\nDon’t understand why people can’t handle staying at home for two weeks when it could potentially eradicate a deadly virus. Are we that weak?", ">\n\nWe did that in large part in March 2020. And did China not spend years locking down their citizens? \nPeoples savings are gone. They need to work. \nWearing a mask would do a lot to help the issue but people aren’t willing to do that anymore.", ">\n\nWe didn't do that though. We didn't all lock down when we were supposed to. Where I work I had to go in from the very start all the way through. Most people, the majority of people, didn't stay home even if they didn't have work. Most people didn't fuck with masks or keeping a distance, and even people who weren't antivaccers didn't take the vaccine seriously for the longest time. \nWe had no fucking lock down, unless you were a well-off celebrity or comedian who wanted to talk about being locked down for content. \nIf people legit locked down, they would have taken a small hit financially, but too many people didn't do shit and prolonged everything.", ">\n\nThe things is that it doesn't take long to drain peoples saving - becuase the overwhelming majority of people have practically none. \nSo an extended lockdown was never feasible unless the government was willing to pay several trillion dollars of expenses, not just 2 or 3 times but several times over.", ">\n\nI didn't dispute any of what you said. I pointed out that most people actively contested any safety measure and most people didn't actually lock down. Any extension will almost certainly be the fault of most of those people. \nI'd gladly let them all die if it meant the few people who did take things seriously didn't have to live through a Walking Dead scenario or have to take a huge financial hit because them.", ">\n\nMost people did lock down just fine initially. After a few weeks turned into a month or more, yeah people got testy.\nAdditionally, a gigantic amount of people work in critical industries and simply cant stay home. Just keeping the lights and water on requires tens of millions of workers, plus industries like plants and refineries that simply cannot shut down without massive long-term consequences.\nReddit is full of office people who can WFH, the vast majority of people cant.", ">\n\nI was one of those who couldn't stay home. Right out of the gate most people gave up on almost all of it except when they were making a show of complying when they had to. There was a lot of cheating. I walk through a lot of different areas. The waves of patients and bodies we got at work tracked with that and became predictable.", ">\n\nWhat’s that saying that ends with ”…doomed to repeat it?”", ">\n\nWhy not just require a negative test from everyone?", ">\n\nWho would you expect to pay for that?", ">\n\nGovernments or sponsors from the private sector ideally, I honestly don’t give a fuck. I’ve gotten many free tests from both and I’ve also bought some for like $8.", ">\n\n“Here we go again” from everyone in the comments. \nThe virus never stopped, we did.", ">\n\nVirus will always be there. Permanent restrictions are unsustainable", ">\n\n3 years later...\nIs this permanent?", ">\n\nI doubt there's anything that would make Republicans running in 2024 happier then Democrats advocating for a return to COVID restrictions.", ">\n\nRight? It’d be like the democrats fighting for gun control, or gay and trans rights, or safe and legal abortions. It would be political suicide to stand for something that Republicans don’t like!", ">\n\nMy understanding is that everything you listed is broadly popular or has at least a majority of American's in favor of it. A return to COVID restrictions is not in that category.", ">\n\nGun control isn’t even universally loved amongst the American left, as the hard left needs them for protection from the hard right they clash with, and the middle left does like having their guns taken as much as any middle right wing does, only mid left likes it", ">\n\nGallup has 57% of Americans feeling that in general gun laws should be more strict.", ">\n\nRegular people want kids to stop dying while in school. The problem is \"stricter laws\" is vague and no one can agree on what it means or give a serious proposal that would work, short of confiscation and bans, which are wildly unpopular.", ">\n\nVague political talking points is the best we’re going to get. Much as I’d love a Ross Perot style of breaking down every platform and promise, the general public doesn’t go for it. Buzz words are all we have the attention span for.", ">\n\nChina's COVID-19 surge raises odds of new coronavirus variants\nThings could get very ugly.", ">\n\nYou say this like covid hasn't been spreading rampantly through literally every country on the planet, mostly without any measures to stop the spread. Why does China get a different treatment and maybe countries should require tests from the US or Inida or Europe?", ">\n\nI agree. US was primarily the culprit of why COVID went rampant to begin with. We actively refused to enforce any sort of safety measures, just a mild suggestion of \"maybe wear a mask, if you want to, it's ok if you don't\" and \"we have vaccines if you want one, no pressure tho\". That was really our response to the world's deadliest pandemic.", ">\n\nWe actively made fun of zero covid approaches on reddit and now based on the comments on this thread we are suddenly pro “zero covid” approaches", ">\n\nEveryone finally watched contagion", ">\n\nSo far my 2023 bingo card is reading alooot of skull and crossbones, I think I might actually win at something next year, what does your score card look like?", ">\n\nWhen’s that $1200 going to hit my account?", ">\n\nI’m still living off mine from last time!", ">\n\nI’m still looking for mine", ">\n\nI’m waiting for that $600 bucks from Biden still, but that’s going right into my retirement!", ">\n\nYou dont get he meant to include any money you already received as well /s", ">\n\nI seem to remember campaign ads with $2000 checks.", ">\n\nYep they explicitly mentioned $2,000 checks.", ">\n\nMy comment was sarcasm but in retrospect there are so many neoliberals saying that word for word in all seriousness that I should and will add a sarcasm tag", ">\n\nThat's nice and all, but let's not act like we're not just ignoring our own COVID problems.", ">\n\n\n\"You don't have zero tolerance anymore? We can't tolerate that.\"\n\n- Country with 100% tolerance", ">\n\nWhy not require a negative COVID test from everyone entering the country? It’s like they don’t want COVID to be under control.", ">\n\nI think this is because China has a relatively low vaccination rate because they relied on lock downs. Now that lock downs are being ramped down, they are having a huge surge.", ">\n\nThe vaccination rate in China is considerably higher than the US (92% vs 81%). This is just another example of yellow peril", ">\n\nThank you for pointing this out. What I said above was wrong about the vaccination rate. I don’t know why exactly China is having a surge. 🤷‍♂️", ">\n\nTheir vaccination rate is high but their vaccine, SinoVac is based on old tech. It conveys effectively zero protection from variants when compared to all the other types of vaccines on the market.", ">\n\nYou guys are so full of shit. At 3 doses Sinovac gives the same protection as any western vaccine with boosters to help mitigate mutated variants. Stop spreading misinfo.", ">\n\n\"Does that thumbnail of someone getting tested read too much like 'screaming uselessly into the void'?\"\n\"I'm sure it'll be fine.\"", ">\n\nMaybe, just maybe they shouldnt have stopped testing airplane passengers in the first place... \nWe have cheap, readily available tests that take 10 minutes to complete. There’s really no reason not to test ever passenger before boarding...", ">\n\nEveryone I know who had Omicron tested negative until their symptoms cleared. It was evading the RATs, for some reason.", ">\n\nI tested positive on a rapid test two days after getting congested. Every teacher coworker of mine who bothered to test after getting cold symptoms also did. I think it's why so few parents now test their kids before sending time to school sick. They don't want to know so we all find out when we or our family members then test positive, missing work on their sick kids' behalf so they didn't have to. \nI have also heard the rapid test can give false negatives but anecdotal references don't mean much.", ">\n\nA day late and a dollar short. Same old song and dance.", ">\n\nWow, it’s like history literally repeating itself.", ">\n\nIndeed it is. I hope everyone is prepared for what’s next.", ">\n\nWe should require negative COVID tests for people to fly within the US, too.\nIt makes no difference to me if the person who infects me at LAX is coming in from China, or from Texas.", ">\n\nThere is a high chance anyone that comes from China has Covid right now. Low chance that someone inside America has.", ">\n\nNaw. China’s percent is much higher, sure, but it’s not like US infection rates are low. You can pretty much guarantee an infected American on every sold out domestic flight. The latest variants are super, super contagious, and it only takes one infected person to pose a serious risk to the other people sharing their space, and then all of their families and friends after they land. All flights should still require testing and masking at this point, or all we’ve really accomplished is pacifying the dimwits and xenophobes.\nI know at least 3 people who 100% contracted COVID while flying domestically in the US this last month - because they were isolated for the incubation period beforehand. They were masked the entire time they were in the airport and on the plane.", ">\n\nIf they were masked up and I assume vaccinated and still caught the virus then preventable measures like these aren’t that effective.", ">\n\nIs there a new strain of Covid that isn't in the U.S yet, otherwise what's the point.", ">\n\nUm testing should not ever stop.", ">\n\nAh shit here we go again", ">\n\n\"Who left the fridge open?\"", ">\n\nIt's \"just a cold\" unless it's a non-white person from another country carrying it.\n/s", ">\n\nChina implemented an ineffective vaccine and had 30m+ cases in one day. It’s specifically that gov. refusing to use effective vaccines", ">\n\nAnd the United States had effective vaccines that half the country is not willing to nor willing to wear masks, while complaining to other countries like China about their travel restrictions (from China and Hong Kong). And honestly I’m not oppose to a tighter restriction on China while they are experiencing a surge in new cases just as it did with any other countries that initially loosen covid restrictions, what makes me question this being race or politically motivated is the hypocrisy; people complained about China being oppressive when it was enforcing all the covid restrictions and when they loosen it “China doesn’t care about human lives”.\nSo what exactly do you want them to do?", ">\n\n\nto Require Negative Covid Tests for Travelers From China\n\nLuckily China is well known for its systemic unwillingness to fake or counterfeit things, so everything should be fine.\nhonest.", ">\n\nSeems purely retaliatory with no actual effectiveness.\nEnforcement is over a week away and presumably China has hit its peak already (flights being 40% positive)", ">\n\nThe rich rats are going to buy fake tests and jump ship breaking quarantine just like they did in the first wave. Cutting flights or enforcing quarantines is the only way to prevent this stuff from jumping oceans but god forbid anybody inhibit the jet setters.", ">\n\nHALF of the passengers on a plane from China going to Italy tested positive the other day (tested on arrival). Chances are most if not all of them had negative test results they could show that they took before they left. This won't do anything to stop people coming into the US while positive..we are going to have to go through this all over again and we won't have the same somewhat cooperative response in the US this time if it is a variant that evades immunity... It will get REALLY bad.", ">\n\nSeriously they know red states will just let them in and will never do another shut down again. So start dealt with out break countries this way to slow it down or corner it. But I see very very bad days ahead for China and Russia is starting to report out breaks too.", ">\n\nMust. When?", ">\n\nWe already require this from canada iirc\nEdit: i was wrong, canada requires it from us.", ">\n\nI hope we are talking PCR tests... those store-bought 15-minute ones struggle to get a positive if you have any sort of vaccination, even while symptomatic and miserable.", ">\n\nWell, a little bit of good news. I'll take it.", ">\n\nTravel should have been 100$ restricted a long time ago. Travel should be restricted to any country experiencing a COVID outbreak.", ">\n\nWonderful. Another round of Asian hating.", ">\n\nWho's hating on Asians? We're trying to stop this virus from killing people.", ">\n\nor… ban flights from china??", ">\n\nDoesn’t make sense in singling out China when covid is widespread in every single country", ">\n\nThe extent of covid in china atm is just absurd. Two weeks ago, they had 37 MILLION cases in one day. Think about that. Thats more people than a lot of countries! \nsource", ">\n\nI wonder why China has so much trouble with COVID compared to other countries, despite being so strict.", ">\n\nIt’s because they had the zero covid approaches that people are advocating for in this thread and they suddenly reversed course. Everyone in China is getting it so fast its likely the same variants quickly spreading in a population that suddenly reversed course. Having many people getting it over time and exposed to new generations of the virus (which is what happens over time) is more insidious but people here think thats fine", ">\n\nEveryone saying this is racist, do not pay attention to the world", ">\n\nIt was called racist and xenophobic when Trump did it. The left are hypocritical emotional wrecks.", ">\n\nnah trump was racist or did you forget he called it the “china virus” and subsequent hate crimes increased against adians", ">\n\nLet’s not change the subject. We’re talking about testing travelers from China here. Always trying to deflect.", ">\n\nIs that what he did, though? That and nothing else? This is a Fox News headline, but I bet there's a lot more to it. There usually is.\nFYI, Italy is also requiring testing of travelers from China at this time.\nBecause of the high number of cases in China at this time.", ">\n\nSo many dumb replies here. I am sad about where humankind is at.", ">\n\nRound two people", ">\n\nWe need to ramp up testing again at border.", ">\n\nChina trying to stop Covid…lol! Fail miserably at that, build a huge infected population, then unleash it on the world. Great job China /s", ">\n\nSell then the Moderna vaccine so they can treat themselves, ans end this debacle.", ">\n\nEven if US send Moderna and Phizer vaccine, China will not use it, because they boast about \"superior\" Chinese vaccine and don't want to lose face.\n​\nUntil they change their attitude, I suggest keeping restriction in place for PRC travelers.", ">\n\nOh definitely.", ">\n\nCCP exporting covid again.", ">\n\nPaywall - can anyone help me read the article? It sounds great in theory but why wait so long? That’s how this all started in 2020. Test now!", ">\n\nChina has been in quarantine until the protests. They have a very low of vaccinated people, so now everyone's breathing on each other's necks, squeezing in tight places and now introducing another pandemic. \nI believe a combination of everyone quarantined for too long and non vaccinated people are making this a very deadly spread.", ">\n\nTheir vaccination rate is not too bad, except among the elderly. But their vaccine was shit even before all the variants.\nThey've been trying to use lockdown to prevent spread and with the new variants that just won't work.\nSo yeah, they're pretty fucked.", ">\n\nVaccination rate is good, but the rate of people who are up to date on boosters is where they fall short even beyond just the elderly. It also doesn't help that the vaccine being used is overall less effective than the ones being used elsewhere like you said. Makes those booster shots many are lacking even more critical.", ">\n\nApparently Americans only get worried when it’s Chinese people spreading Covid as opposed to their own residents, citizens and Europeans.", ">\n\nseems xenophobic /s", ">\n\noh I'm sure conservatives will be very concerned about the \"freedoms\" of those travelers from China", ">\n\nHow's this going to work for the 75% of all our manufactured goods coming in from China?", ">\n\nThank God Biden is doing this if it was Trump they call him racist .", ">\n\nTrump admin did this and it was hailed as a great idea, because it was. And is.\nWho tf cares who the man or president is when it comes to health? Why are some people like this?", ">\n\nYou know that wasnt true.", ">\n\nWhy would they make a move that would indisputably send hundreds of thousands of infected into the wider world including those that may wind up being infected with a new variant or two? \nCan we at least conclude that China does not care about this possibility? Is that verboten to say?\nCan an axiomatically correct statement still result in a ban?", ">\n\nSounds kinda racist.", ">\n\nMakes absolute sense considering what's currently going on there. Canada should do the same. I'll even go as far as say suspend visas / entry from that part of the world temporarily, until they can get it under control" ]
> Lmao Reddit enjoying their shut in lives so much I’d rather jump off the tallest bridge near me before going into lockdowns again.
[ "People from China will travel through Europe and come in to America from the east coast like they did when the pandemic started. This will do nothing if all travelers aboard aren’t made to test.", ">\n\nLet's hope EU and other countries do the same.", ">\n\nI don't know if they will. Australia (for example) had some of the toughest Covid policies and they've essentially just thrown them all out the window.\nSo I don't know how willing countries are to go back to being overly concerned about Covid.", ">\n\nThey should be concerned w chinese, it's spreading like wildfire in china. If we aren't careful, they will come out w covid 20.", ">\n\nIt’s spreading everywhere including the USA. This policy has nothing to do with science or medicine. It’s just politics.", ">\n\nNo. It’s circulating like mad in a population of 1 billion people who haven’t been exposed before. This is how new variants come about. Every country should require negative Covid test for china at least until it cycles through the population", ">\n\n\nNo. It’s circulating like mad in a population of 1 billion people who haven’t been exposed before.\n\nIt's also spreading like mad in all the countries of the world including the USA.\n\nThis is how new variants come about. \n\nAnd they have been for years now.\n\nEvery country should require negative Covid test for china at least until it cycles through the population\n\nOnly for political reasons. There is no scientific or rational demand for this. \nI get it, you hate china, most americans hate china so just be honest and say what you really mean.", ">\n\nStrains are spreading in the west yes, but there are new strains in China that are spreading and we don't know if our vaccines will work with those strains. We know the Chinese vaccines have a low efficacy rate and we know they are not mRNA vaccines which allow for easier adaptation to new strains. Making travelers with a Chinese passport take Covid tests at any and all airports is not racist or even unfair - a reminder that China has been relatively hard to travel to for the last 2 years because they were locked down to foreign travel as well. This is simply good policy from a public health measure, and you not wanting to see that for what it is and instead attribute it to a nascent American hatred for China is laughable. the World Health Organization estimated close to 800 million new cases in China in the next few months, with another estimate 4 million deaths and countless new strains coming out during that period. This is about protection populations, not punishing China.", ">\n\n\nStrains are spreading in the west yes, but there are new strains in China that are spreading and we don't know if our vaccines will work with those strains.\n\nYou don't know if vaccines work against any new variant even if that variant is from a country populated with white people.\n\nWe know the Chinese vaccines have a low efficacy rate and we know they are not mRNA vaccines which allow for easier adaptation to new strains. \n\nThe vaccine doesn't adapt once inside of your body you know that right?\n\nMaking travelers with a Chinese passport take Covid tests at any and all airports is not racist or even unfair \n\nit's definitely unfair and probably racist as well.\n\nhis is simply good policy from a public health measure, a\n\nA good policy would be to require vaccinations from everybody. Think about it, you are requiring a vaccine that you said doesn't even work. How much sense does that make?\n\nattribute it to a nascent American hatred for China is laughable.\n\nNascent?\n\nThis is about protection populations, not punishing China.\n\nIt's definitely about punishing china, it's a part of the current cold war with China conducted by the USA.", ">\n\n\nYou don't know if vaccines work against any new variant even if that variant is from a country populated with white people.\n\nAll the more reason to not invite more new strains into the country. White population or otherwise has nothing to do with it, expected rise in cases in China does.\n\nThe vaccine doesn't adapt once inside of your body you know that right?\n\nYou missed the point. The point i was making was that the Chinese medical system has not even approached Covid with an mRNA vaccine, and steadfastly refused to license western vaccines. If the vaccine most readily available in China has a 50% efficacy then the population is at more risk of contracting the virus and having negative results. The infection rates are increased with each new case of BA.7 (China is currently seeing each covid patient infecting on average 18 other people represented as 1:18, whereas the in US the rate is 1:3.9). Each of these factors increases the risk of developing new strains that are vaccine resistant. \n\nit's definitely unfair and probably racist as well\n\nIs it your position that nations cannot take any prescriptive action to prevent the spread of infected persons from other countries? Again i would remind you that China has basically been locked down for the last 2 years, with severe limitations to personal freedoms themselves. This is not based on race, but rather a government's inability to contain a contagious outbreak in their own country and not wanting it to spread. \n\nA good policy would be to require vaccinations from everybody. Think about it, you are requiring a vaccine that you said doesn't even work. How much sense does that make?\n\nThat might be your definition on good policy, but it isn't mine and that isn't how the west does it. \"I\" am not requiring a vaccine that \"I\" said doesn't work - that was your suggestion not mine. Also, i said the efficacy of the Chinese vaccine is 50% - based on available information - i never said it didn't work, and i never said that it should be mandatory or required.\n\nNascent?\n\nPoor and wrong word choice on my part it seems. What i meant was ascribing the US decision to require testing of Chinese travelers to racism because you believe that the US is racist is laughable. Taking a test to prove that you are covid negative is far less onerous on a traveler than most visa requirements.\n\nIt's definitely about punishing china, it's a part of the current cold war with China conducted by the USA.\n\nCite your sources. I could point to many Chinese government policies that i could say are part of the current cold war with the US without backing it up and it would be just as credible as what you said. Opinion is not a source, and not proof. You assume that the US government is racist, that this policy is racist and yet we have had travel bans imposed on other countries, as well as testing required for travelers from other countries imposed before, and other policies and so has China. For goodness sake China has been closed to foreigners for almost 3 years, and is still closed to foreign travel until January 2023. Is that a racist policy as well?", ">\n\nHere we go again.\nThis time I think I'll learn French cooking.", ">\n\n5000 People a day will have to die before Anybody says the word Lock down in the States ever again.", ">\n\nDon’t understand why people can’t handle staying at home for two weeks when it could potentially eradicate a deadly virus. Are we that weak?", ">\n\nWe did that in large part in March 2020. And did China not spend years locking down their citizens? \nPeoples savings are gone. They need to work. \nWearing a mask would do a lot to help the issue but people aren’t willing to do that anymore.", ">\n\nWe didn't do that though. We didn't all lock down when we were supposed to. Where I work I had to go in from the very start all the way through. Most people, the majority of people, didn't stay home even if they didn't have work. Most people didn't fuck with masks or keeping a distance, and even people who weren't antivaccers didn't take the vaccine seriously for the longest time. \nWe had no fucking lock down, unless you were a well-off celebrity or comedian who wanted to talk about being locked down for content. \nIf people legit locked down, they would have taken a small hit financially, but too many people didn't do shit and prolonged everything.", ">\n\nThe things is that it doesn't take long to drain peoples saving - becuase the overwhelming majority of people have practically none. \nSo an extended lockdown was never feasible unless the government was willing to pay several trillion dollars of expenses, not just 2 or 3 times but several times over.", ">\n\nI didn't dispute any of what you said. I pointed out that most people actively contested any safety measure and most people didn't actually lock down. Any extension will almost certainly be the fault of most of those people. \nI'd gladly let them all die if it meant the few people who did take things seriously didn't have to live through a Walking Dead scenario or have to take a huge financial hit because them.", ">\n\nMost people did lock down just fine initially. After a few weeks turned into a month or more, yeah people got testy.\nAdditionally, a gigantic amount of people work in critical industries and simply cant stay home. Just keeping the lights and water on requires tens of millions of workers, plus industries like plants and refineries that simply cannot shut down without massive long-term consequences.\nReddit is full of office people who can WFH, the vast majority of people cant.", ">\n\nI was one of those who couldn't stay home. Right out of the gate most people gave up on almost all of it except when they were making a show of complying when they had to. There was a lot of cheating. I walk through a lot of different areas. The waves of patients and bodies we got at work tracked with that and became predictable.", ">\n\nWhat’s that saying that ends with ”…doomed to repeat it?”", ">\n\nWhy not just require a negative test from everyone?", ">\n\nWho would you expect to pay for that?", ">\n\nGovernments or sponsors from the private sector ideally, I honestly don’t give a fuck. I’ve gotten many free tests from both and I’ve also bought some for like $8.", ">\n\n“Here we go again” from everyone in the comments. \nThe virus never stopped, we did.", ">\n\nVirus will always be there. Permanent restrictions are unsustainable", ">\n\n3 years later...\nIs this permanent?", ">\n\nI doubt there's anything that would make Republicans running in 2024 happier then Democrats advocating for a return to COVID restrictions.", ">\n\nRight? It’d be like the democrats fighting for gun control, or gay and trans rights, or safe and legal abortions. It would be political suicide to stand for something that Republicans don’t like!", ">\n\nMy understanding is that everything you listed is broadly popular or has at least a majority of American's in favor of it. A return to COVID restrictions is not in that category.", ">\n\nGun control isn’t even universally loved amongst the American left, as the hard left needs them for protection from the hard right they clash with, and the middle left does like having their guns taken as much as any middle right wing does, only mid left likes it", ">\n\nGallup has 57% of Americans feeling that in general gun laws should be more strict.", ">\n\nRegular people want kids to stop dying while in school. The problem is \"stricter laws\" is vague and no one can agree on what it means or give a serious proposal that would work, short of confiscation and bans, which are wildly unpopular.", ">\n\nVague political talking points is the best we’re going to get. Much as I’d love a Ross Perot style of breaking down every platform and promise, the general public doesn’t go for it. Buzz words are all we have the attention span for.", ">\n\nChina's COVID-19 surge raises odds of new coronavirus variants\nThings could get very ugly.", ">\n\nYou say this like covid hasn't been spreading rampantly through literally every country on the planet, mostly without any measures to stop the spread. Why does China get a different treatment and maybe countries should require tests from the US or Inida or Europe?", ">\n\nI agree. US was primarily the culprit of why COVID went rampant to begin with. We actively refused to enforce any sort of safety measures, just a mild suggestion of \"maybe wear a mask, if you want to, it's ok if you don't\" and \"we have vaccines if you want one, no pressure tho\". That was really our response to the world's deadliest pandemic.", ">\n\nWe actively made fun of zero covid approaches on reddit and now based on the comments on this thread we are suddenly pro “zero covid” approaches", ">\n\nEveryone finally watched contagion", ">\n\nSo far my 2023 bingo card is reading alooot of skull and crossbones, I think I might actually win at something next year, what does your score card look like?", ">\n\nWhen’s that $1200 going to hit my account?", ">\n\nI’m still living off mine from last time!", ">\n\nI’m still looking for mine", ">\n\nI’m waiting for that $600 bucks from Biden still, but that’s going right into my retirement!", ">\n\nYou dont get he meant to include any money you already received as well /s", ">\n\nI seem to remember campaign ads with $2000 checks.", ">\n\nYep they explicitly mentioned $2,000 checks.", ">\n\nMy comment was sarcasm but in retrospect there are so many neoliberals saying that word for word in all seriousness that I should and will add a sarcasm tag", ">\n\nThat's nice and all, but let's not act like we're not just ignoring our own COVID problems.", ">\n\n\n\"You don't have zero tolerance anymore? We can't tolerate that.\"\n\n- Country with 100% tolerance", ">\n\nWhy not require a negative COVID test from everyone entering the country? It’s like they don’t want COVID to be under control.", ">\n\nI think this is because China has a relatively low vaccination rate because they relied on lock downs. Now that lock downs are being ramped down, they are having a huge surge.", ">\n\nThe vaccination rate in China is considerably higher than the US (92% vs 81%). This is just another example of yellow peril", ">\n\nThank you for pointing this out. What I said above was wrong about the vaccination rate. I don’t know why exactly China is having a surge. 🤷‍♂️", ">\n\nTheir vaccination rate is high but their vaccine, SinoVac is based on old tech. It conveys effectively zero protection from variants when compared to all the other types of vaccines on the market.", ">\n\nYou guys are so full of shit. At 3 doses Sinovac gives the same protection as any western vaccine with boosters to help mitigate mutated variants. Stop spreading misinfo.", ">\n\n\"Does that thumbnail of someone getting tested read too much like 'screaming uselessly into the void'?\"\n\"I'm sure it'll be fine.\"", ">\n\nMaybe, just maybe they shouldnt have stopped testing airplane passengers in the first place... \nWe have cheap, readily available tests that take 10 minutes to complete. There’s really no reason not to test ever passenger before boarding...", ">\n\nEveryone I know who had Omicron tested negative until their symptoms cleared. It was evading the RATs, for some reason.", ">\n\nI tested positive on a rapid test two days after getting congested. Every teacher coworker of mine who bothered to test after getting cold symptoms also did. I think it's why so few parents now test their kids before sending time to school sick. They don't want to know so we all find out when we or our family members then test positive, missing work on their sick kids' behalf so they didn't have to. \nI have also heard the rapid test can give false negatives but anecdotal references don't mean much.", ">\n\nA day late and a dollar short. Same old song and dance.", ">\n\nWow, it’s like history literally repeating itself.", ">\n\nIndeed it is. I hope everyone is prepared for what’s next.", ">\n\nWe should require negative COVID tests for people to fly within the US, too.\nIt makes no difference to me if the person who infects me at LAX is coming in from China, or from Texas.", ">\n\nThere is a high chance anyone that comes from China has Covid right now. Low chance that someone inside America has.", ">\n\nNaw. China’s percent is much higher, sure, but it’s not like US infection rates are low. You can pretty much guarantee an infected American on every sold out domestic flight. The latest variants are super, super contagious, and it only takes one infected person to pose a serious risk to the other people sharing their space, and then all of their families and friends after they land. All flights should still require testing and masking at this point, or all we’ve really accomplished is pacifying the dimwits and xenophobes.\nI know at least 3 people who 100% contracted COVID while flying domestically in the US this last month - because they were isolated for the incubation period beforehand. They were masked the entire time they were in the airport and on the plane.", ">\n\nIf they were masked up and I assume vaccinated and still caught the virus then preventable measures like these aren’t that effective.", ">\n\nIs there a new strain of Covid that isn't in the U.S yet, otherwise what's the point.", ">\n\nUm testing should not ever stop.", ">\n\nAh shit here we go again", ">\n\n\"Who left the fridge open?\"", ">\n\nIt's \"just a cold\" unless it's a non-white person from another country carrying it.\n/s", ">\n\nChina implemented an ineffective vaccine and had 30m+ cases in one day. It’s specifically that gov. refusing to use effective vaccines", ">\n\nAnd the United States had effective vaccines that half the country is not willing to nor willing to wear masks, while complaining to other countries like China about their travel restrictions (from China and Hong Kong). And honestly I’m not oppose to a tighter restriction on China while they are experiencing a surge in new cases just as it did with any other countries that initially loosen covid restrictions, what makes me question this being race or politically motivated is the hypocrisy; people complained about China being oppressive when it was enforcing all the covid restrictions and when they loosen it “China doesn’t care about human lives”.\nSo what exactly do you want them to do?", ">\n\n\nto Require Negative Covid Tests for Travelers From China\n\nLuckily China is well known for its systemic unwillingness to fake or counterfeit things, so everything should be fine.\nhonest.", ">\n\nSeems purely retaliatory with no actual effectiveness.\nEnforcement is over a week away and presumably China has hit its peak already (flights being 40% positive)", ">\n\nThe rich rats are going to buy fake tests and jump ship breaking quarantine just like they did in the first wave. Cutting flights or enforcing quarantines is the only way to prevent this stuff from jumping oceans but god forbid anybody inhibit the jet setters.", ">\n\nHALF of the passengers on a plane from China going to Italy tested positive the other day (tested on arrival). Chances are most if not all of them had negative test results they could show that they took before they left. This won't do anything to stop people coming into the US while positive..we are going to have to go through this all over again and we won't have the same somewhat cooperative response in the US this time if it is a variant that evades immunity... It will get REALLY bad.", ">\n\nSeriously they know red states will just let them in and will never do another shut down again. So start dealt with out break countries this way to slow it down or corner it. But I see very very bad days ahead for China and Russia is starting to report out breaks too.", ">\n\nMust. When?", ">\n\nWe already require this from canada iirc\nEdit: i was wrong, canada requires it from us.", ">\n\nI hope we are talking PCR tests... those store-bought 15-minute ones struggle to get a positive if you have any sort of vaccination, even while symptomatic and miserable.", ">\n\nWell, a little bit of good news. I'll take it.", ">\n\nTravel should have been 100$ restricted a long time ago. Travel should be restricted to any country experiencing a COVID outbreak.", ">\n\nWonderful. Another round of Asian hating.", ">\n\nWho's hating on Asians? We're trying to stop this virus from killing people.", ">\n\nor… ban flights from china??", ">\n\nDoesn’t make sense in singling out China when covid is widespread in every single country", ">\n\nThe extent of covid in china atm is just absurd. Two weeks ago, they had 37 MILLION cases in one day. Think about that. Thats more people than a lot of countries! \nsource", ">\n\nI wonder why China has so much trouble with COVID compared to other countries, despite being so strict.", ">\n\nIt’s because they had the zero covid approaches that people are advocating for in this thread and they suddenly reversed course. Everyone in China is getting it so fast its likely the same variants quickly spreading in a population that suddenly reversed course. Having many people getting it over time and exposed to new generations of the virus (which is what happens over time) is more insidious but people here think thats fine", ">\n\nEveryone saying this is racist, do not pay attention to the world", ">\n\nIt was called racist and xenophobic when Trump did it. The left are hypocritical emotional wrecks.", ">\n\nnah trump was racist or did you forget he called it the “china virus” and subsequent hate crimes increased against adians", ">\n\nLet’s not change the subject. We’re talking about testing travelers from China here. Always trying to deflect.", ">\n\nIs that what he did, though? That and nothing else? This is a Fox News headline, but I bet there's a lot more to it. There usually is.\nFYI, Italy is also requiring testing of travelers from China at this time.\nBecause of the high number of cases in China at this time.", ">\n\nSo many dumb replies here. I am sad about where humankind is at.", ">\n\nRound two people", ">\n\nWe need to ramp up testing again at border.", ">\n\nChina trying to stop Covid…lol! Fail miserably at that, build a huge infected population, then unleash it on the world. Great job China /s", ">\n\nSell then the Moderna vaccine so they can treat themselves, ans end this debacle.", ">\n\nEven if US send Moderna and Phizer vaccine, China will not use it, because they boast about \"superior\" Chinese vaccine and don't want to lose face.\n​\nUntil they change their attitude, I suggest keeping restriction in place for PRC travelers.", ">\n\nOh definitely.", ">\n\nCCP exporting covid again.", ">\n\nPaywall - can anyone help me read the article? It sounds great in theory but why wait so long? That’s how this all started in 2020. Test now!", ">\n\nChina has been in quarantine until the protests. They have a very low of vaccinated people, so now everyone's breathing on each other's necks, squeezing in tight places and now introducing another pandemic. \nI believe a combination of everyone quarantined for too long and non vaccinated people are making this a very deadly spread.", ">\n\nTheir vaccination rate is not too bad, except among the elderly. But their vaccine was shit even before all the variants.\nThey've been trying to use lockdown to prevent spread and with the new variants that just won't work.\nSo yeah, they're pretty fucked.", ">\n\nVaccination rate is good, but the rate of people who are up to date on boosters is where they fall short even beyond just the elderly. It also doesn't help that the vaccine being used is overall less effective than the ones being used elsewhere like you said. Makes those booster shots many are lacking even more critical.", ">\n\nApparently Americans only get worried when it’s Chinese people spreading Covid as opposed to their own residents, citizens and Europeans.", ">\n\nseems xenophobic /s", ">\n\noh I'm sure conservatives will be very concerned about the \"freedoms\" of those travelers from China", ">\n\nHow's this going to work for the 75% of all our manufactured goods coming in from China?", ">\n\nThank God Biden is doing this if it was Trump they call him racist .", ">\n\nTrump admin did this and it was hailed as a great idea, because it was. And is.\nWho tf cares who the man or president is when it comes to health? Why are some people like this?", ">\n\nYou know that wasnt true.", ">\n\nWhy would they make a move that would indisputably send hundreds of thousands of infected into the wider world including those that may wind up being infected with a new variant or two? \nCan we at least conclude that China does not care about this possibility? Is that verboten to say?\nCan an axiomatically correct statement still result in a ban?", ">\n\nSounds kinda racist.", ">\n\nMakes absolute sense considering what's currently going on there. Canada should do the same. I'll even go as far as say suspend visas / entry from that part of the world temporarily, until they can get it under control", ">\n\nMakes sense. China is exploding with covid and who knows if/when the next bad variant develops there." ]
> Xenophobia
[ "People from China will travel through Europe and come in to America from the east coast like they did when the pandemic started. This will do nothing if all travelers aboard aren’t made to test.", ">\n\nLet's hope EU and other countries do the same.", ">\n\nI don't know if they will. Australia (for example) had some of the toughest Covid policies and they've essentially just thrown them all out the window.\nSo I don't know how willing countries are to go back to being overly concerned about Covid.", ">\n\nThey should be concerned w chinese, it's spreading like wildfire in china. If we aren't careful, they will come out w covid 20.", ">\n\nIt’s spreading everywhere including the USA. This policy has nothing to do with science or medicine. It’s just politics.", ">\n\nNo. It’s circulating like mad in a population of 1 billion people who haven’t been exposed before. This is how new variants come about. Every country should require negative Covid test for china at least until it cycles through the population", ">\n\n\nNo. It’s circulating like mad in a population of 1 billion people who haven’t been exposed before.\n\nIt's also spreading like mad in all the countries of the world including the USA.\n\nThis is how new variants come about. \n\nAnd they have been for years now.\n\nEvery country should require negative Covid test for china at least until it cycles through the population\n\nOnly for political reasons. There is no scientific or rational demand for this. \nI get it, you hate china, most americans hate china so just be honest and say what you really mean.", ">\n\nStrains are spreading in the west yes, but there are new strains in China that are spreading and we don't know if our vaccines will work with those strains. We know the Chinese vaccines have a low efficacy rate and we know they are not mRNA vaccines which allow for easier adaptation to new strains. Making travelers with a Chinese passport take Covid tests at any and all airports is not racist or even unfair - a reminder that China has been relatively hard to travel to for the last 2 years because they were locked down to foreign travel as well. This is simply good policy from a public health measure, and you not wanting to see that for what it is and instead attribute it to a nascent American hatred for China is laughable. the World Health Organization estimated close to 800 million new cases in China in the next few months, with another estimate 4 million deaths and countless new strains coming out during that period. This is about protection populations, not punishing China.", ">\n\n\nStrains are spreading in the west yes, but there are new strains in China that are spreading and we don't know if our vaccines will work with those strains.\n\nYou don't know if vaccines work against any new variant even if that variant is from a country populated with white people.\n\nWe know the Chinese vaccines have a low efficacy rate and we know they are not mRNA vaccines which allow for easier adaptation to new strains. \n\nThe vaccine doesn't adapt once inside of your body you know that right?\n\nMaking travelers with a Chinese passport take Covid tests at any and all airports is not racist or even unfair \n\nit's definitely unfair and probably racist as well.\n\nhis is simply good policy from a public health measure, a\n\nA good policy would be to require vaccinations from everybody. Think about it, you are requiring a vaccine that you said doesn't even work. How much sense does that make?\n\nattribute it to a nascent American hatred for China is laughable.\n\nNascent?\n\nThis is about protection populations, not punishing China.\n\nIt's definitely about punishing china, it's a part of the current cold war with China conducted by the USA.", ">\n\n\nYou don't know if vaccines work against any new variant even if that variant is from a country populated with white people.\n\nAll the more reason to not invite more new strains into the country. White population or otherwise has nothing to do with it, expected rise in cases in China does.\n\nThe vaccine doesn't adapt once inside of your body you know that right?\n\nYou missed the point. The point i was making was that the Chinese medical system has not even approached Covid with an mRNA vaccine, and steadfastly refused to license western vaccines. If the vaccine most readily available in China has a 50% efficacy then the population is at more risk of contracting the virus and having negative results. The infection rates are increased with each new case of BA.7 (China is currently seeing each covid patient infecting on average 18 other people represented as 1:18, whereas the in US the rate is 1:3.9). Each of these factors increases the risk of developing new strains that are vaccine resistant. \n\nit's definitely unfair and probably racist as well\n\nIs it your position that nations cannot take any prescriptive action to prevent the spread of infected persons from other countries? Again i would remind you that China has basically been locked down for the last 2 years, with severe limitations to personal freedoms themselves. This is not based on race, but rather a government's inability to contain a contagious outbreak in their own country and not wanting it to spread. \n\nA good policy would be to require vaccinations from everybody. Think about it, you are requiring a vaccine that you said doesn't even work. How much sense does that make?\n\nThat might be your definition on good policy, but it isn't mine and that isn't how the west does it. \"I\" am not requiring a vaccine that \"I\" said doesn't work - that was your suggestion not mine. Also, i said the efficacy of the Chinese vaccine is 50% - based on available information - i never said it didn't work, and i never said that it should be mandatory or required.\n\nNascent?\n\nPoor and wrong word choice on my part it seems. What i meant was ascribing the US decision to require testing of Chinese travelers to racism because you believe that the US is racist is laughable. Taking a test to prove that you are covid negative is far less onerous on a traveler than most visa requirements.\n\nIt's definitely about punishing china, it's a part of the current cold war with China conducted by the USA.\n\nCite your sources. I could point to many Chinese government policies that i could say are part of the current cold war with the US without backing it up and it would be just as credible as what you said. Opinion is not a source, and not proof. You assume that the US government is racist, that this policy is racist and yet we have had travel bans imposed on other countries, as well as testing required for travelers from other countries imposed before, and other policies and so has China. For goodness sake China has been closed to foreigners for almost 3 years, and is still closed to foreign travel until January 2023. Is that a racist policy as well?", ">\n\nHere we go again.\nThis time I think I'll learn French cooking.", ">\n\n5000 People a day will have to die before Anybody says the word Lock down in the States ever again.", ">\n\nDon’t understand why people can’t handle staying at home for two weeks when it could potentially eradicate a deadly virus. Are we that weak?", ">\n\nWe did that in large part in March 2020. And did China not spend years locking down their citizens? \nPeoples savings are gone. They need to work. \nWearing a mask would do a lot to help the issue but people aren’t willing to do that anymore.", ">\n\nWe didn't do that though. We didn't all lock down when we were supposed to. Where I work I had to go in from the very start all the way through. Most people, the majority of people, didn't stay home even if they didn't have work. Most people didn't fuck with masks or keeping a distance, and even people who weren't antivaccers didn't take the vaccine seriously for the longest time. \nWe had no fucking lock down, unless you were a well-off celebrity or comedian who wanted to talk about being locked down for content. \nIf people legit locked down, they would have taken a small hit financially, but too many people didn't do shit and prolonged everything.", ">\n\nThe things is that it doesn't take long to drain peoples saving - becuase the overwhelming majority of people have practically none. \nSo an extended lockdown was never feasible unless the government was willing to pay several trillion dollars of expenses, not just 2 or 3 times but several times over.", ">\n\nI didn't dispute any of what you said. I pointed out that most people actively contested any safety measure and most people didn't actually lock down. Any extension will almost certainly be the fault of most of those people. \nI'd gladly let them all die if it meant the few people who did take things seriously didn't have to live through a Walking Dead scenario or have to take a huge financial hit because them.", ">\n\nMost people did lock down just fine initially. After a few weeks turned into a month or more, yeah people got testy.\nAdditionally, a gigantic amount of people work in critical industries and simply cant stay home. Just keeping the lights and water on requires tens of millions of workers, plus industries like plants and refineries that simply cannot shut down without massive long-term consequences.\nReddit is full of office people who can WFH, the vast majority of people cant.", ">\n\nI was one of those who couldn't stay home. Right out of the gate most people gave up on almost all of it except when they were making a show of complying when they had to. There was a lot of cheating. I walk through a lot of different areas. The waves of patients and bodies we got at work tracked with that and became predictable.", ">\n\nWhat’s that saying that ends with ”…doomed to repeat it?”", ">\n\nWhy not just require a negative test from everyone?", ">\n\nWho would you expect to pay for that?", ">\n\nGovernments or sponsors from the private sector ideally, I honestly don’t give a fuck. I’ve gotten many free tests from both and I’ve also bought some for like $8.", ">\n\n“Here we go again” from everyone in the comments. \nThe virus never stopped, we did.", ">\n\nVirus will always be there. Permanent restrictions are unsustainable", ">\n\n3 years later...\nIs this permanent?", ">\n\nI doubt there's anything that would make Republicans running in 2024 happier then Democrats advocating for a return to COVID restrictions.", ">\n\nRight? It’d be like the democrats fighting for gun control, or gay and trans rights, or safe and legal abortions. It would be political suicide to stand for something that Republicans don’t like!", ">\n\nMy understanding is that everything you listed is broadly popular or has at least a majority of American's in favor of it. A return to COVID restrictions is not in that category.", ">\n\nGun control isn’t even universally loved amongst the American left, as the hard left needs them for protection from the hard right they clash with, and the middle left does like having their guns taken as much as any middle right wing does, only mid left likes it", ">\n\nGallup has 57% of Americans feeling that in general gun laws should be more strict.", ">\n\nRegular people want kids to stop dying while in school. The problem is \"stricter laws\" is vague and no one can agree on what it means or give a serious proposal that would work, short of confiscation and bans, which are wildly unpopular.", ">\n\nVague political talking points is the best we’re going to get. Much as I’d love a Ross Perot style of breaking down every platform and promise, the general public doesn’t go for it. Buzz words are all we have the attention span for.", ">\n\nChina's COVID-19 surge raises odds of new coronavirus variants\nThings could get very ugly.", ">\n\nYou say this like covid hasn't been spreading rampantly through literally every country on the planet, mostly without any measures to stop the spread. Why does China get a different treatment and maybe countries should require tests from the US or Inida or Europe?", ">\n\nI agree. US was primarily the culprit of why COVID went rampant to begin with. We actively refused to enforce any sort of safety measures, just a mild suggestion of \"maybe wear a mask, if you want to, it's ok if you don't\" and \"we have vaccines if you want one, no pressure tho\". That was really our response to the world's deadliest pandemic.", ">\n\nWe actively made fun of zero covid approaches on reddit and now based on the comments on this thread we are suddenly pro “zero covid” approaches", ">\n\nEveryone finally watched contagion", ">\n\nSo far my 2023 bingo card is reading alooot of skull and crossbones, I think I might actually win at something next year, what does your score card look like?", ">\n\nWhen’s that $1200 going to hit my account?", ">\n\nI’m still living off mine from last time!", ">\n\nI’m still looking for mine", ">\n\nI’m waiting for that $600 bucks from Biden still, but that’s going right into my retirement!", ">\n\nYou dont get he meant to include any money you already received as well /s", ">\n\nI seem to remember campaign ads with $2000 checks.", ">\n\nYep they explicitly mentioned $2,000 checks.", ">\n\nMy comment was sarcasm but in retrospect there are so many neoliberals saying that word for word in all seriousness that I should and will add a sarcasm tag", ">\n\nThat's nice and all, but let's not act like we're not just ignoring our own COVID problems.", ">\n\n\n\"You don't have zero tolerance anymore? We can't tolerate that.\"\n\n- Country with 100% tolerance", ">\n\nWhy not require a negative COVID test from everyone entering the country? It’s like they don’t want COVID to be under control.", ">\n\nI think this is because China has a relatively low vaccination rate because they relied on lock downs. Now that lock downs are being ramped down, they are having a huge surge.", ">\n\nThe vaccination rate in China is considerably higher than the US (92% vs 81%). This is just another example of yellow peril", ">\n\nThank you for pointing this out. What I said above was wrong about the vaccination rate. I don’t know why exactly China is having a surge. 🤷‍♂️", ">\n\nTheir vaccination rate is high but their vaccine, SinoVac is based on old tech. It conveys effectively zero protection from variants when compared to all the other types of vaccines on the market.", ">\n\nYou guys are so full of shit. At 3 doses Sinovac gives the same protection as any western vaccine with boosters to help mitigate mutated variants. Stop spreading misinfo.", ">\n\n\"Does that thumbnail of someone getting tested read too much like 'screaming uselessly into the void'?\"\n\"I'm sure it'll be fine.\"", ">\n\nMaybe, just maybe they shouldnt have stopped testing airplane passengers in the first place... \nWe have cheap, readily available tests that take 10 minutes to complete. There’s really no reason not to test ever passenger before boarding...", ">\n\nEveryone I know who had Omicron tested negative until their symptoms cleared. It was evading the RATs, for some reason.", ">\n\nI tested positive on a rapid test two days after getting congested. Every teacher coworker of mine who bothered to test after getting cold symptoms also did. I think it's why so few parents now test their kids before sending time to school sick. They don't want to know so we all find out when we or our family members then test positive, missing work on their sick kids' behalf so they didn't have to. \nI have also heard the rapid test can give false negatives but anecdotal references don't mean much.", ">\n\nA day late and a dollar short. Same old song and dance.", ">\n\nWow, it’s like history literally repeating itself.", ">\n\nIndeed it is. I hope everyone is prepared for what’s next.", ">\n\nWe should require negative COVID tests for people to fly within the US, too.\nIt makes no difference to me if the person who infects me at LAX is coming in from China, or from Texas.", ">\n\nThere is a high chance anyone that comes from China has Covid right now. Low chance that someone inside America has.", ">\n\nNaw. China’s percent is much higher, sure, but it’s not like US infection rates are low. You can pretty much guarantee an infected American on every sold out domestic flight. The latest variants are super, super contagious, and it only takes one infected person to pose a serious risk to the other people sharing their space, and then all of their families and friends after they land. All flights should still require testing and masking at this point, or all we’ve really accomplished is pacifying the dimwits and xenophobes.\nI know at least 3 people who 100% contracted COVID while flying domestically in the US this last month - because they were isolated for the incubation period beforehand. They were masked the entire time they were in the airport and on the plane.", ">\n\nIf they were masked up and I assume vaccinated and still caught the virus then preventable measures like these aren’t that effective.", ">\n\nIs there a new strain of Covid that isn't in the U.S yet, otherwise what's the point.", ">\n\nUm testing should not ever stop.", ">\n\nAh shit here we go again", ">\n\n\"Who left the fridge open?\"", ">\n\nIt's \"just a cold\" unless it's a non-white person from another country carrying it.\n/s", ">\n\nChina implemented an ineffective vaccine and had 30m+ cases in one day. It’s specifically that gov. refusing to use effective vaccines", ">\n\nAnd the United States had effective vaccines that half the country is not willing to nor willing to wear masks, while complaining to other countries like China about their travel restrictions (from China and Hong Kong). And honestly I’m not oppose to a tighter restriction on China while they are experiencing a surge in new cases just as it did with any other countries that initially loosen covid restrictions, what makes me question this being race or politically motivated is the hypocrisy; people complained about China being oppressive when it was enforcing all the covid restrictions and when they loosen it “China doesn’t care about human lives”.\nSo what exactly do you want them to do?", ">\n\n\nto Require Negative Covid Tests for Travelers From China\n\nLuckily China is well known for its systemic unwillingness to fake or counterfeit things, so everything should be fine.\nhonest.", ">\n\nSeems purely retaliatory with no actual effectiveness.\nEnforcement is over a week away and presumably China has hit its peak already (flights being 40% positive)", ">\n\nThe rich rats are going to buy fake tests and jump ship breaking quarantine just like they did in the first wave. Cutting flights or enforcing quarantines is the only way to prevent this stuff from jumping oceans but god forbid anybody inhibit the jet setters.", ">\n\nHALF of the passengers on a plane from China going to Italy tested positive the other day (tested on arrival). Chances are most if not all of them had negative test results they could show that they took before they left. This won't do anything to stop people coming into the US while positive..we are going to have to go through this all over again and we won't have the same somewhat cooperative response in the US this time if it is a variant that evades immunity... It will get REALLY bad.", ">\n\nSeriously they know red states will just let them in and will never do another shut down again. So start dealt with out break countries this way to slow it down or corner it. But I see very very bad days ahead for China and Russia is starting to report out breaks too.", ">\n\nMust. When?", ">\n\nWe already require this from canada iirc\nEdit: i was wrong, canada requires it from us.", ">\n\nI hope we are talking PCR tests... those store-bought 15-minute ones struggle to get a positive if you have any sort of vaccination, even while symptomatic and miserable.", ">\n\nWell, a little bit of good news. I'll take it.", ">\n\nTravel should have been 100$ restricted a long time ago. Travel should be restricted to any country experiencing a COVID outbreak.", ">\n\nWonderful. Another round of Asian hating.", ">\n\nWho's hating on Asians? We're trying to stop this virus from killing people.", ">\n\nor… ban flights from china??", ">\n\nDoesn’t make sense in singling out China when covid is widespread in every single country", ">\n\nThe extent of covid in china atm is just absurd. Two weeks ago, they had 37 MILLION cases in one day. Think about that. Thats more people than a lot of countries! \nsource", ">\n\nI wonder why China has so much trouble with COVID compared to other countries, despite being so strict.", ">\n\nIt’s because they had the zero covid approaches that people are advocating for in this thread and they suddenly reversed course. Everyone in China is getting it so fast its likely the same variants quickly spreading in a population that suddenly reversed course. Having many people getting it over time and exposed to new generations of the virus (which is what happens over time) is more insidious but people here think thats fine", ">\n\nEveryone saying this is racist, do not pay attention to the world", ">\n\nIt was called racist and xenophobic when Trump did it. The left are hypocritical emotional wrecks.", ">\n\nnah trump was racist or did you forget he called it the “china virus” and subsequent hate crimes increased against adians", ">\n\nLet’s not change the subject. We’re talking about testing travelers from China here. Always trying to deflect.", ">\n\nIs that what he did, though? That and nothing else? This is a Fox News headline, but I bet there's a lot more to it. There usually is.\nFYI, Italy is also requiring testing of travelers from China at this time.\nBecause of the high number of cases in China at this time.", ">\n\nSo many dumb replies here. I am sad about where humankind is at.", ">\n\nRound two people", ">\n\nWe need to ramp up testing again at border.", ">\n\nChina trying to stop Covid…lol! Fail miserably at that, build a huge infected population, then unleash it on the world. Great job China /s", ">\n\nSell then the Moderna vaccine so they can treat themselves, ans end this debacle.", ">\n\nEven if US send Moderna and Phizer vaccine, China will not use it, because they boast about \"superior\" Chinese vaccine and don't want to lose face.\n​\nUntil they change their attitude, I suggest keeping restriction in place for PRC travelers.", ">\n\nOh definitely.", ">\n\nCCP exporting covid again.", ">\n\nPaywall - can anyone help me read the article? It sounds great in theory but why wait so long? That’s how this all started in 2020. Test now!", ">\n\nChina has been in quarantine until the protests. They have a very low of vaccinated people, so now everyone's breathing on each other's necks, squeezing in tight places and now introducing another pandemic. \nI believe a combination of everyone quarantined for too long and non vaccinated people are making this a very deadly spread.", ">\n\nTheir vaccination rate is not too bad, except among the elderly. But their vaccine was shit even before all the variants.\nThey've been trying to use lockdown to prevent spread and with the new variants that just won't work.\nSo yeah, they're pretty fucked.", ">\n\nVaccination rate is good, but the rate of people who are up to date on boosters is where they fall short even beyond just the elderly. It also doesn't help that the vaccine being used is overall less effective than the ones being used elsewhere like you said. Makes those booster shots many are lacking even more critical.", ">\n\nApparently Americans only get worried when it’s Chinese people spreading Covid as opposed to their own residents, citizens and Europeans.", ">\n\nseems xenophobic /s", ">\n\noh I'm sure conservatives will be very concerned about the \"freedoms\" of those travelers from China", ">\n\nHow's this going to work for the 75% of all our manufactured goods coming in from China?", ">\n\nThank God Biden is doing this if it was Trump they call him racist .", ">\n\nTrump admin did this and it was hailed as a great idea, because it was. And is.\nWho tf cares who the man or president is when it comes to health? Why are some people like this?", ">\n\nYou know that wasnt true.", ">\n\nWhy would they make a move that would indisputably send hundreds of thousands of infected into the wider world including those that may wind up being infected with a new variant or two? \nCan we at least conclude that China does not care about this possibility? Is that verboten to say?\nCan an axiomatically correct statement still result in a ban?", ">\n\nSounds kinda racist.", ">\n\nMakes absolute sense considering what's currently going on there. Canada should do the same. I'll even go as far as say suspend visas / entry from that part of the world temporarily, until they can get it under control", ">\n\nMakes sense. China is exploding with covid and who knows if/when the next bad variant develops there.", ">\n\nLmao Reddit enjoying their shut in lives so much I’d rather jump off the tallest bridge near me before going into lockdowns again." ]
> Xenophobic Biden
[ "People from China will travel through Europe and come in to America from the east coast like they did when the pandemic started. This will do nothing if all travelers aboard aren’t made to test.", ">\n\nLet's hope EU and other countries do the same.", ">\n\nI don't know if they will. Australia (for example) had some of the toughest Covid policies and they've essentially just thrown them all out the window.\nSo I don't know how willing countries are to go back to being overly concerned about Covid.", ">\n\nThey should be concerned w chinese, it's spreading like wildfire in china. If we aren't careful, they will come out w covid 20.", ">\n\nIt’s spreading everywhere including the USA. This policy has nothing to do with science or medicine. It’s just politics.", ">\n\nNo. It’s circulating like mad in a population of 1 billion people who haven’t been exposed before. This is how new variants come about. Every country should require negative Covid test for china at least until it cycles through the population", ">\n\n\nNo. It’s circulating like mad in a population of 1 billion people who haven’t been exposed before.\n\nIt's also spreading like mad in all the countries of the world including the USA.\n\nThis is how new variants come about. \n\nAnd they have been for years now.\n\nEvery country should require negative Covid test for china at least until it cycles through the population\n\nOnly for political reasons. There is no scientific or rational demand for this. \nI get it, you hate china, most americans hate china so just be honest and say what you really mean.", ">\n\nStrains are spreading in the west yes, but there are new strains in China that are spreading and we don't know if our vaccines will work with those strains. We know the Chinese vaccines have a low efficacy rate and we know they are not mRNA vaccines which allow for easier adaptation to new strains. Making travelers with a Chinese passport take Covid tests at any and all airports is not racist or even unfair - a reminder that China has been relatively hard to travel to for the last 2 years because they were locked down to foreign travel as well. This is simply good policy from a public health measure, and you not wanting to see that for what it is and instead attribute it to a nascent American hatred for China is laughable. the World Health Organization estimated close to 800 million new cases in China in the next few months, with another estimate 4 million deaths and countless new strains coming out during that period. This is about protection populations, not punishing China.", ">\n\n\nStrains are spreading in the west yes, but there are new strains in China that are spreading and we don't know if our vaccines will work with those strains.\n\nYou don't know if vaccines work against any new variant even if that variant is from a country populated with white people.\n\nWe know the Chinese vaccines have a low efficacy rate and we know they are not mRNA vaccines which allow for easier adaptation to new strains. \n\nThe vaccine doesn't adapt once inside of your body you know that right?\n\nMaking travelers with a Chinese passport take Covid tests at any and all airports is not racist or even unfair \n\nit's definitely unfair and probably racist as well.\n\nhis is simply good policy from a public health measure, a\n\nA good policy would be to require vaccinations from everybody. Think about it, you are requiring a vaccine that you said doesn't even work. How much sense does that make?\n\nattribute it to a nascent American hatred for China is laughable.\n\nNascent?\n\nThis is about protection populations, not punishing China.\n\nIt's definitely about punishing china, it's a part of the current cold war with China conducted by the USA.", ">\n\n\nYou don't know if vaccines work against any new variant even if that variant is from a country populated with white people.\n\nAll the more reason to not invite more new strains into the country. White population or otherwise has nothing to do with it, expected rise in cases in China does.\n\nThe vaccine doesn't adapt once inside of your body you know that right?\n\nYou missed the point. The point i was making was that the Chinese medical system has not even approached Covid with an mRNA vaccine, and steadfastly refused to license western vaccines. If the vaccine most readily available in China has a 50% efficacy then the population is at more risk of contracting the virus and having negative results. The infection rates are increased with each new case of BA.7 (China is currently seeing each covid patient infecting on average 18 other people represented as 1:18, whereas the in US the rate is 1:3.9). Each of these factors increases the risk of developing new strains that are vaccine resistant. \n\nit's definitely unfair and probably racist as well\n\nIs it your position that nations cannot take any prescriptive action to prevent the spread of infected persons from other countries? Again i would remind you that China has basically been locked down for the last 2 years, with severe limitations to personal freedoms themselves. This is not based on race, but rather a government's inability to contain a contagious outbreak in their own country and not wanting it to spread. \n\nA good policy would be to require vaccinations from everybody. Think about it, you are requiring a vaccine that you said doesn't even work. How much sense does that make?\n\nThat might be your definition on good policy, but it isn't mine and that isn't how the west does it. \"I\" am not requiring a vaccine that \"I\" said doesn't work - that was your suggestion not mine. Also, i said the efficacy of the Chinese vaccine is 50% - based on available information - i never said it didn't work, and i never said that it should be mandatory or required.\n\nNascent?\n\nPoor and wrong word choice on my part it seems. What i meant was ascribing the US decision to require testing of Chinese travelers to racism because you believe that the US is racist is laughable. Taking a test to prove that you are covid negative is far less onerous on a traveler than most visa requirements.\n\nIt's definitely about punishing china, it's a part of the current cold war with China conducted by the USA.\n\nCite your sources. I could point to many Chinese government policies that i could say are part of the current cold war with the US without backing it up and it would be just as credible as what you said. Opinion is not a source, and not proof. You assume that the US government is racist, that this policy is racist and yet we have had travel bans imposed on other countries, as well as testing required for travelers from other countries imposed before, and other policies and so has China. For goodness sake China has been closed to foreigners for almost 3 years, and is still closed to foreign travel until January 2023. Is that a racist policy as well?", ">\n\nHere we go again.\nThis time I think I'll learn French cooking.", ">\n\n5000 People a day will have to die before Anybody says the word Lock down in the States ever again.", ">\n\nDon’t understand why people can’t handle staying at home for two weeks when it could potentially eradicate a deadly virus. Are we that weak?", ">\n\nWe did that in large part in March 2020. And did China not spend years locking down their citizens? \nPeoples savings are gone. They need to work. \nWearing a mask would do a lot to help the issue but people aren’t willing to do that anymore.", ">\n\nWe didn't do that though. We didn't all lock down when we were supposed to. Where I work I had to go in from the very start all the way through. Most people, the majority of people, didn't stay home even if they didn't have work. Most people didn't fuck with masks or keeping a distance, and even people who weren't antivaccers didn't take the vaccine seriously for the longest time. \nWe had no fucking lock down, unless you were a well-off celebrity or comedian who wanted to talk about being locked down for content. \nIf people legit locked down, they would have taken a small hit financially, but too many people didn't do shit and prolonged everything.", ">\n\nThe things is that it doesn't take long to drain peoples saving - becuase the overwhelming majority of people have practically none. \nSo an extended lockdown was never feasible unless the government was willing to pay several trillion dollars of expenses, not just 2 or 3 times but several times over.", ">\n\nI didn't dispute any of what you said. I pointed out that most people actively contested any safety measure and most people didn't actually lock down. Any extension will almost certainly be the fault of most of those people. \nI'd gladly let them all die if it meant the few people who did take things seriously didn't have to live through a Walking Dead scenario or have to take a huge financial hit because them.", ">\n\nMost people did lock down just fine initially. After a few weeks turned into a month or more, yeah people got testy.\nAdditionally, a gigantic amount of people work in critical industries and simply cant stay home. Just keeping the lights and water on requires tens of millions of workers, plus industries like plants and refineries that simply cannot shut down without massive long-term consequences.\nReddit is full of office people who can WFH, the vast majority of people cant.", ">\n\nI was one of those who couldn't stay home. Right out of the gate most people gave up on almost all of it except when they were making a show of complying when they had to. There was a lot of cheating. I walk through a lot of different areas. The waves of patients and bodies we got at work tracked with that and became predictable.", ">\n\nWhat’s that saying that ends with ”…doomed to repeat it?”", ">\n\nWhy not just require a negative test from everyone?", ">\n\nWho would you expect to pay for that?", ">\n\nGovernments or sponsors from the private sector ideally, I honestly don’t give a fuck. I’ve gotten many free tests from both and I’ve also bought some for like $8.", ">\n\n“Here we go again” from everyone in the comments. \nThe virus never stopped, we did.", ">\n\nVirus will always be there. Permanent restrictions are unsustainable", ">\n\n3 years later...\nIs this permanent?", ">\n\nI doubt there's anything that would make Republicans running in 2024 happier then Democrats advocating for a return to COVID restrictions.", ">\n\nRight? It’d be like the democrats fighting for gun control, or gay and trans rights, or safe and legal abortions. It would be political suicide to stand for something that Republicans don’t like!", ">\n\nMy understanding is that everything you listed is broadly popular or has at least a majority of American's in favor of it. A return to COVID restrictions is not in that category.", ">\n\nGun control isn’t even universally loved amongst the American left, as the hard left needs them for protection from the hard right they clash with, and the middle left does like having their guns taken as much as any middle right wing does, only mid left likes it", ">\n\nGallup has 57% of Americans feeling that in general gun laws should be more strict.", ">\n\nRegular people want kids to stop dying while in school. The problem is \"stricter laws\" is vague and no one can agree on what it means or give a serious proposal that would work, short of confiscation and bans, which are wildly unpopular.", ">\n\nVague political talking points is the best we’re going to get. Much as I’d love a Ross Perot style of breaking down every platform and promise, the general public doesn’t go for it. Buzz words are all we have the attention span for.", ">\n\nChina's COVID-19 surge raises odds of new coronavirus variants\nThings could get very ugly.", ">\n\nYou say this like covid hasn't been spreading rampantly through literally every country on the planet, mostly without any measures to stop the spread. Why does China get a different treatment and maybe countries should require tests from the US or Inida or Europe?", ">\n\nI agree. US was primarily the culprit of why COVID went rampant to begin with. We actively refused to enforce any sort of safety measures, just a mild suggestion of \"maybe wear a mask, if you want to, it's ok if you don't\" and \"we have vaccines if you want one, no pressure tho\". That was really our response to the world's deadliest pandemic.", ">\n\nWe actively made fun of zero covid approaches on reddit and now based on the comments on this thread we are suddenly pro “zero covid” approaches", ">\n\nEveryone finally watched contagion", ">\n\nSo far my 2023 bingo card is reading alooot of skull and crossbones, I think I might actually win at something next year, what does your score card look like?", ">\n\nWhen’s that $1200 going to hit my account?", ">\n\nI’m still living off mine from last time!", ">\n\nI’m still looking for mine", ">\n\nI’m waiting for that $600 bucks from Biden still, but that’s going right into my retirement!", ">\n\nYou dont get he meant to include any money you already received as well /s", ">\n\nI seem to remember campaign ads with $2000 checks.", ">\n\nYep they explicitly mentioned $2,000 checks.", ">\n\nMy comment was sarcasm but in retrospect there are so many neoliberals saying that word for word in all seriousness that I should and will add a sarcasm tag", ">\n\nThat's nice and all, but let's not act like we're not just ignoring our own COVID problems.", ">\n\n\n\"You don't have zero tolerance anymore? We can't tolerate that.\"\n\n- Country with 100% tolerance", ">\n\nWhy not require a negative COVID test from everyone entering the country? It’s like they don’t want COVID to be under control.", ">\n\nI think this is because China has a relatively low vaccination rate because they relied on lock downs. Now that lock downs are being ramped down, they are having a huge surge.", ">\n\nThe vaccination rate in China is considerably higher than the US (92% vs 81%). This is just another example of yellow peril", ">\n\nThank you for pointing this out. What I said above was wrong about the vaccination rate. I don’t know why exactly China is having a surge. 🤷‍♂️", ">\n\nTheir vaccination rate is high but their vaccine, SinoVac is based on old tech. It conveys effectively zero protection from variants when compared to all the other types of vaccines on the market.", ">\n\nYou guys are so full of shit. At 3 doses Sinovac gives the same protection as any western vaccine with boosters to help mitigate mutated variants. Stop spreading misinfo.", ">\n\n\"Does that thumbnail of someone getting tested read too much like 'screaming uselessly into the void'?\"\n\"I'm sure it'll be fine.\"", ">\n\nMaybe, just maybe they shouldnt have stopped testing airplane passengers in the first place... \nWe have cheap, readily available tests that take 10 minutes to complete. There’s really no reason not to test ever passenger before boarding...", ">\n\nEveryone I know who had Omicron tested negative until their symptoms cleared. It was evading the RATs, for some reason.", ">\n\nI tested positive on a rapid test two days after getting congested. Every teacher coworker of mine who bothered to test after getting cold symptoms also did. I think it's why so few parents now test their kids before sending time to school sick. They don't want to know so we all find out when we or our family members then test positive, missing work on their sick kids' behalf so they didn't have to. \nI have also heard the rapid test can give false negatives but anecdotal references don't mean much.", ">\n\nA day late and a dollar short. Same old song and dance.", ">\n\nWow, it’s like history literally repeating itself.", ">\n\nIndeed it is. I hope everyone is prepared for what’s next.", ">\n\nWe should require negative COVID tests for people to fly within the US, too.\nIt makes no difference to me if the person who infects me at LAX is coming in from China, or from Texas.", ">\n\nThere is a high chance anyone that comes from China has Covid right now. Low chance that someone inside America has.", ">\n\nNaw. China’s percent is much higher, sure, but it’s not like US infection rates are low. You can pretty much guarantee an infected American on every sold out domestic flight. The latest variants are super, super contagious, and it only takes one infected person to pose a serious risk to the other people sharing their space, and then all of their families and friends after they land. All flights should still require testing and masking at this point, or all we’ve really accomplished is pacifying the dimwits and xenophobes.\nI know at least 3 people who 100% contracted COVID while flying domestically in the US this last month - because they were isolated for the incubation period beforehand. They were masked the entire time they were in the airport and on the plane.", ">\n\nIf they were masked up and I assume vaccinated and still caught the virus then preventable measures like these aren’t that effective.", ">\n\nIs there a new strain of Covid that isn't in the U.S yet, otherwise what's the point.", ">\n\nUm testing should not ever stop.", ">\n\nAh shit here we go again", ">\n\n\"Who left the fridge open?\"", ">\n\nIt's \"just a cold\" unless it's a non-white person from another country carrying it.\n/s", ">\n\nChina implemented an ineffective vaccine and had 30m+ cases in one day. It’s specifically that gov. refusing to use effective vaccines", ">\n\nAnd the United States had effective vaccines that half the country is not willing to nor willing to wear masks, while complaining to other countries like China about their travel restrictions (from China and Hong Kong). And honestly I’m not oppose to a tighter restriction on China while they are experiencing a surge in new cases just as it did with any other countries that initially loosen covid restrictions, what makes me question this being race or politically motivated is the hypocrisy; people complained about China being oppressive when it was enforcing all the covid restrictions and when they loosen it “China doesn’t care about human lives”.\nSo what exactly do you want them to do?", ">\n\n\nto Require Negative Covid Tests for Travelers From China\n\nLuckily China is well known for its systemic unwillingness to fake or counterfeit things, so everything should be fine.\nhonest.", ">\n\nSeems purely retaliatory with no actual effectiveness.\nEnforcement is over a week away and presumably China has hit its peak already (flights being 40% positive)", ">\n\nThe rich rats are going to buy fake tests and jump ship breaking quarantine just like they did in the first wave. Cutting flights or enforcing quarantines is the only way to prevent this stuff from jumping oceans but god forbid anybody inhibit the jet setters.", ">\n\nHALF of the passengers on a plane from China going to Italy tested positive the other day (tested on arrival). Chances are most if not all of them had negative test results they could show that they took before they left. This won't do anything to stop people coming into the US while positive..we are going to have to go through this all over again and we won't have the same somewhat cooperative response in the US this time if it is a variant that evades immunity... It will get REALLY bad.", ">\n\nSeriously they know red states will just let them in and will never do another shut down again. So start dealt with out break countries this way to slow it down or corner it. But I see very very bad days ahead for China and Russia is starting to report out breaks too.", ">\n\nMust. When?", ">\n\nWe already require this from canada iirc\nEdit: i was wrong, canada requires it from us.", ">\n\nI hope we are talking PCR tests... those store-bought 15-minute ones struggle to get a positive if you have any sort of vaccination, even while symptomatic and miserable.", ">\n\nWell, a little bit of good news. I'll take it.", ">\n\nTravel should have been 100$ restricted a long time ago. Travel should be restricted to any country experiencing a COVID outbreak.", ">\n\nWonderful. Another round of Asian hating.", ">\n\nWho's hating on Asians? We're trying to stop this virus from killing people.", ">\n\nor… ban flights from china??", ">\n\nDoesn’t make sense in singling out China when covid is widespread in every single country", ">\n\nThe extent of covid in china atm is just absurd. Two weeks ago, they had 37 MILLION cases in one day. Think about that. Thats more people than a lot of countries! \nsource", ">\n\nI wonder why China has so much trouble with COVID compared to other countries, despite being so strict.", ">\n\nIt’s because they had the zero covid approaches that people are advocating for in this thread and they suddenly reversed course. Everyone in China is getting it so fast its likely the same variants quickly spreading in a population that suddenly reversed course. Having many people getting it over time and exposed to new generations of the virus (which is what happens over time) is more insidious but people here think thats fine", ">\n\nEveryone saying this is racist, do not pay attention to the world", ">\n\nIt was called racist and xenophobic when Trump did it. The left are hypocritical emotional wrecks.", ">\n\nnah trump was racist or did you forget he called it the “china virus” and subsequent hate crimes increased against adians", ">\n\nLet’s not change the subject. We’re talking about testing travelers from China here. Always trying to deflect.", ">\n\nIs that what he did, though? That and nothing else? This is a Fox News headline, but I bet there's a lot more to it. There usually is.\nFYI, Italy is also requiring testing of travelers from China at this time.\nBecause of the high number of cases in China at this time.", ">\n\nSo many dumb replies here. I am sad about where humankind is at.", ">\n\nRound two people", ">\n\nWe need to ramp up testing again at border.", ">\n\nChina trying to stop Covid…lol! Fail miserably at that, build a huge infected population, then unleash it on the world. Great job China /s", ">\n\nSell then the Moderna vaccine so they can treat themselves, ans end this debacle.", ">\n\nEven if US send Moderna and Phizer vaccine, China will not use it, because they boast about \"superior\" Chinese vaccine and don't want to lose face.\n​\nUntil they change their attitude, I suggest keeping restriction in place for PRC travelers.", ">\n\nOh definitely.", ">\n\nCCP exporting covid again.", ">\n\nPaywall - can anyone help me read the article? It sounds great in theory but why wait so long? That’s how this all started in 2020. Test now!", ">\n\nChina has been in quarantine until the protests. They have a very low of vaccinated people, so now everyone's breathing on each other's necks, squeezing in tight places and now introducing another pandemic. \nI believe a combination of everyone quarantined for too long and non vaccinated people are making this a very deadly spread.", ">\n\nTheir vaccination rate is not too bad, except among the elderly. But their vaccine was shit even before all the variants.\nThey've been trying to use lockdown to prevent spread and with the new variants that just won't work.\nSo yeah, they're pretty fucked.", ">\n\nVaccination rate is good, but the rate of people who are up to date on boosters is where they fall short even beyond just the elderly. It also doesn't help that the vaccine being used is overall less effective than the ones being used elsewhere like you said. Makes those booster shots many are lacking even more critical.", ">\n\nApparently Americans only get worried when it’s Chinese people spreading Covid as opposed to their own residents, citizens and Europeans.", ">\n\nseems xenophobic /s", ">\n\noh I'm sure conservatives will be very concerned about the \"freedoms\" of those travelers from China", ">\n\nHow's this going to work for the 75% of all our manufactured goods coming in from China?", ">\n\nThank God Biden is doing this if it was Trump they call him racist .", ">\n\nTrump admin did this and it was hailed as a great idea, because it was. And is.\nWho tf cares who the man or president is when it comes to health? Why are some people like this?", ">\n\nYou know that wasnt true.", ">\n\nWhy would they make a move that would indisputably send hundreds of thousands of infected into the wider world including those that may wind up being infected with a new variant or two? \nCan we at least conclude that China does not care about this possibility? Is that verboten to say?\nCan an axiomatically correct statement still result in a ban?", ">\n\nSounds kinda racist.", ">\n\nMakes absolute sense considering what's currently going on there. Canada should do the same. I'll even go as far as say suspend visas / entry from that part of the world temporarily, until they can get it under control", ">\n\nMakes sense. China is exploding with covid and who knows if/when the next bad variant develops there.", ">\n\nLmao Reddit enjoying their shut in lives so much I’d rather jump off the tallest bridge near me before going into lockdowns again.", ">\n\nXenophobia" ]
> People are acting like Covid stopped spreading in the US… The US just decided to ignore it, that is until China gained more cases, and now it’s back to fear mongering Chinese people. I see that xenophobia is still alive and well in the US.
[ "People from China will travel through Europe and come in to America from the east coast like they did when the pandemic started. This will do nothing if all travelers aboard aren’t made to test.", ">\n\nLet's hope EU and other countries do the same.", ">\n\nI don't know if they will. Australia (for example) had some of the toughest Covid policies and they've essentially just thrown them all out the window.\nSo I don't know how willing countries are to go back to being overly concerned about Covid.", ">\n\nThey should be concerned w chinese, it's spreading like wildfire in china. If we aren't careful, they will come out w covid 20.", ">\n\nIt’s spreading everywhere including the USA. This policy has nothing to do with science or medicine. It’s just politics.", ">\n\nNo. It’s circulating like mad in a population of 1 billion people who haven’t been exposed before. This is how new variants come about. Every country should require negative Covid test for china at least until it cycles through the population", ">\n\n\nNo. It’s circulating like mad in a population of 1 billion people who haven’t been exposed before.\n\nIt's also spreading like mad in all the countries of the world including the USA.\n\nThis is how new variants come about. \n\nAnd they have been for years now.\n\nEvery country should require negative Covid test for china at least until it cycles through the population\n\nOnly for political reasons. There is no scientific or rational demand for this. \nI get it, you hate china, most americans hate china so just be honest and say what you really mean.", ">\n\nStrains are spreading in the west yes, but there are new strains in China that are spreading and we don't know if our vaccines will work with those strains. We know the Chinese vaccines have a low efficacy rate and we know they are not mRNA vaccines which allow for easier adaptation to new strains. Making travelers with a Chinese passport take Covid tests at any and all airports is not racist or even unfair - a reminder that China has been relatively hard to travel to for the last 2 years because they were locked down to foreign travel as well. This is simply good policy from a public health measure, and you not wanting to see that for what it is and instead attribute it to a nascent American hatred for China is laughable. the World Health Organization estimated close to 800 million new cases in China in the next few months, with another estimate 4 million deaths and countless new strains coming out during that period. This is about protection populations, not punishing China.", ">\n\n\nStrains are spreading in the west yes, but there are new strains in China that are spreading and we don't know if our vaccines will work with those strains.\n\nYou don't know if vaccines work against any new variant even if that variant is from a country populated with white people.\n\nWe know the Chinese vaccines have a low efficacy rate and we know they are not mRNA vaccines which allow for easier adaptation to new strains. \n\nThe vaccine doesn't adapt once inside of your body you know that right?\n\nMaking travelers with a Chinese passport take Covid tests at any and all airports is not racist or even unfair \n\nit's definitely unfair and probably racist as well.\n\nhis is simply good policy from a public health measure, a\n\nA good policy would be to require vaccinations from everybody. Think about it, you are requiring a vaccine that you said doesn't even work. How much sense does that make?\n\nattribute it to a nascent American hatred for China is laughable.\n\nNascent?\n\nThis is about protection populations, not punishing China.\n\nIt's definitely about punishing china, it's a part of the current cold war with China conducted by the USA.", ">\n\n\nYou don't know if vaccines work against any new variant even if that variant is from a country populated with white people.\n\nAll the more reason to not invite more new strains into the country. White population or otherwise has nothing to do with it, expected rise in cases in China does.\n\nThe vaccine doesn't adapt once inside of your body you know that right?\n\nYou missed the point. The point i was making was that the Chinese medical system has not even approached Covid with an mRNA vaccine, and steadfastly refused to license western vaccines. If the vaccine most readily available in China has a 50% efficacy then the population is at more risk of contracting the virus and having negative results. The infection rates are increased with each new case of BA.7 (China is currently seeing each covid patient infecting on average 18 other people represented as 1:18, whereas the in US the rate is 1:3.9). Each of these factors increases the risk of developing new strains that are vaccine resistant. \n\nit's definitely unfair and probably racist as well\n\nIs it your position that nations cannot take any prescriptive action to prevent the spread of infected persons from other countries? Again i would remind you that China has basically been locked down for the last 2 years, with severe limitations to personal freedoms themselves. This is not based on race, but rather a government's inability to contain a contagious outbreak in their own country and not wanting it to spread. \n\nA good policy would be to require vaccinations from everybody. Think about it, you are requiring a vaccine that you said doesn't even work. How much sense does that make?\n\nThat might be your definition on good policy, but it isn't mine and that isn't how the west does it. \"I\" am not requiring a vaccine that \"I\" said doesn't work - that was your suggestion not mine. Also, i said the efficacy of the Chinese vaccine is 50% - based on available information - i never said it didn't work, and i never said that it should be mandatory or required.\n\nNascent?\n\nPoor and wrong word choice on my part it seems. What i meant was ascribing the US decision to require testing of Chinese travelers to racism because you believe that the US is racist is laughable. Taking a test to prove that you are covid negative is far less onerous on a traveler than most visa requirements.\n\nIt's definitely about punishing china, it's a part of the current cold war with China conducted by the USA.\n\nCite your sources. I could point to many Chinese government policies that i could say are part of the current cold war with the US without backing it up and it would be just as credible as what you said. Opinion is not a source, and not proof. You assume that the US government is racist, that this policy is racist and yet we have had travel bans imposed on other countries, as well as testing required for travelers from other countries imposed before, and other policies and so has China. For goodness sake China has been closed to foreigners for almost 3 years, and is still closed to foreign travel until January 2023. Is that a racist policy as well?", ">\n\nHere we go again.\nThis time I think I'll learn French cooking.", ">\n\n5000 People a day will have to die before Anybody says the word Lock down in the States ever again.", ">\n\nDon’t understand why people can’t handle staying at home for two weeks when it could potentially eradicate a deadly virus. Are we that weak?", ">\n\nWe did that in large part in March 2020. And did China not spend years locking down their citizens? \nPeoples savings are gone. They need to work. \nWearing a mask would do a lot to help the issue but people aren’t willing to do that anymore.", ">\n\nWe didn't do that though. We didn't all lock down when we were supposed to. Where I work I had to go in from the very start all the way through. Most people, the majority of people, didn't stay home even if they didn't have work. Most people didn't fuck with masks or keeping a distance, and even people who weren't antivaccers didn't take the vaccine seriously for the longest time. \nWe had no fucking lock down, unless you were a well-off celebrity or comedian who wanted to talk about being locked down for content. \nIf people legit locked down, they would have taken a small hit financially, but too many people didn't do shit and prolonged everything.", ">\n\nThe things is that it doesn't take long to drain peoples saving - becuase the overwhelming majority of people have practically none. \nSo an extended lockdown was never feasible unless the government was willing to pay several trillion dollars of expenses, not just 2 or 3 times but several times over.", ">\n\nI didn't dispute any of what you said. I pointed out that most people actively contested any safety measure and most people didn't actually lock down. Any extension will almost certainly be the fault of most of those people. \nI'd gladly let them all die if it meant the few people who did take things seriously didn't have to live through a Walking Dead scenario or have to take a huge financial hit because them.", ">\n\nMost people did lock down just fine initially. After a few weeks turned into a month or more, yeah people got testy.\nAdditionally, a gigantic amount of people work in critical industries and simply cant stay home. Just keeping the lights and water on requires tens of millions of workers, plus industries like plants and refineries that simply cannot shut down without massive long-term consequences.\nReddit is full of office people who can WFH, the vast majority of people cant.", ">\n\nI was one of those who couldn't stay home. Right out of the gate most people gave up on almost all of it except when they were making a show of complying when they had to. There was a lot of cheating. I walk through a lot of different areas. The waves of patients and bodies we got at work tracked with that and became predictable.", ">\n\nWhat’s that saying that ends with ”…doomed to repeat it?”", ">\n\nWhy not just require a negative test from everyone?", ">\n\nWho would you expect to pay for that?", ">\n\nGovernments or sponsors from the private sector ideally, I honestly don’t give a fuck. I’ve gotten many free tests from both and I’ve also bought some for like $8.", ">\n\n“Here we go again” from everyone in the comments. \nThe virus never stopped, we did.", ">\n\nVirus will always be there. Permanent restrictions are unsustainable", ">\n\n3 years later...\nIs this permanent?", ">\n\nI doubt there's anything that would make Republicans running in 2024 happier then Democrats advocating for a return to COVID restrictions.", ">\n\nRight? It’d be like the democrats fighting for gun control, or gay and trans rights, or safe and legal abortions. It would be political suicide to stand for something that Republicans don’t like!", ">\n\nMy understanding is that everything you listed is broadly popular or has at least a majority of American's in favor of it. A return to COVID restrictions is not in that category.", ">\n\nGun control isn’t even universally loved amongst the American left, as the hard left needs them for protection from the hard right they clash with, and the middle left does like having their guns taken as much as any middle right wing does, only mid left likes it", ">\n\nGallup has 57% of Americans feeling that in general gun laws should be more strict.", ">\n\nRegular people want kids to stop dying while in school. The problem is \"stricter laws\" is vague and no one can agree on what it means or give a serious proposal that would work, short of confiscation and bans, which are wildly unpopular.", ">\n\nVague political talking points is the best we’re going to get. Much as I’d love a Ross Perot style of breaking down every platform and promise, the general public doesn’t go for it. Buzz words are all we have the attention span for.", ">\n\nChina's COVID-19 surge raises odds of new coronavirus variants\nThings could get very ugly.", ">\n\nYou say this like covid hasn't been spreading rampantly through literally every country on the planet, mostly without any measures to stop the spread. Why does China get a different treatment and maybe countries should require tests from the US or Inida or Europe?", ">\n\nI agree. US was primarily the culprit of why COVID went rampant to begin with. We actively refused to enforce any sort of safety measures, just a mild suggestion of \"maybe wear a mask, if you want to, it's ok if you don't\" and \"we have vaccines if you want one, no pressure tho\". That was really our response to the world's deadliest pandemic.", ">\n\nWe actively made fun of zero covid approaches on reddit and now based on the comments on this thread we are suddenly pro “zero covid” approaches", ">\n\nEveryone finally watched contagion", ">\n\nSo far my 2023 bingo card is reading alooot of skull and crossbones, I think I might actually win at something next year, what does your score card look like?", ">\n\nWhen’s that $1200 going to hit my account?", ">\n\nI’m still living off mine from last time!", ">\n\nI’m still looking for mine", ">\n\nI’m waiting for that $600 bucks from Biden still, but that’s going right into my retirement!", ">\n\nYou dont get he meant to include any money you already received as well /s", ">\n\nI seem to remember campaign ads with $2000 checks.", ">\n\nYep they explicitly mentioned $2,000 checks.", ">\n\nMy comment was sarcasm but in retrospect there are so many neoliberals saying that word for word in all seriousness that I should and will add a sarcasm tag", ">\n\nThat's nice and all, but let's not act like we're not just ignoring our own COVID problems.", ">\n\n\n\"You don't have zero tolerance anymore? We can't tolerate that.\"\n\n- Country with 100% tolerance", ">\n\nWhy not require a negative COVID test from everyone entering the country? It’s like they don’t want COVID to be under control.", ">\n\nI think this is because China has a relatively low vaccination rate because they relied on lock downs. Now that lock downs are being ramped down, they are having a huge surge.", ">\n\nThe vaccination rate in China is considerably higher than the US (92% vs 81%). This is just another example of yellow peril", ">\n\nThank you for pointing this out. What I said above was wrong about the vaccination rate. I don’t know why exactly China is having a surge. 🤷‍♂️", ">\n\nTheir vaccination rate is high but their vaccine, SinoVac is based on old tech. It conveys effectively zero protection from variants when compared to all the other types of vaccines on the market.", ">\n\nYou guys are so full of shit. At 3 doses Sinovac gives the same protection as any western vaccine with boosters to help mitigate mutated variants. Stop spreading misinfo.", ">\n\n\"Does that thumbnail of someone getting tested read too much like 'screaming uselessly into the void'?\"\n\"I'm sure it'll be fine.\"", ">\n\nMaybe, just maybe they shouldnt have stopped testing airplane passengers in the first place... \nWe have cheap, readily available tests that take 10 minutes to complete. There’s really no reason not to test ever passenger before boarding...", ">\n\nEveryone I know who had Omicron tested negative until their symptoms cleared. It was evading the RATs, for some reason.", ">\n\nI tested positive on a rapid test two days after getting congested. Every teacher coworker of mine who bothered to test after getting cold symptoms also did. I think it's why so few parents now test their kids before sending time to school sick. They don't want to know so we all find out when we or our family members then test positive, missing work on their sick kids' behalf so they didn't have to. \nI have also heard the rapid test can give false negatives but anecdotal references don't mean much.", ">\n\nA day late and a dollar short. Same old song and dance.", ">\n\nWow, it’s like history literally repeating itself.", ">\n\nIndeed it is. I hope everyone is prepared for what’s next.", ">\n\nWe should require negative COVID tests for people to fly within the US, too.\nIt makes no difference to me if the person who infects me at LAX is coming in from China, or from Texas.", ">\n\nThere is a high chance anyone that comes from China has Covid right now. Low chance that someone inside America has.", ">\n\nNaw. China’s percent is much higher, sure, but it’s not like US infection rates are low. You can pretty much guarantee an infected American on every sold out domestic flight. The latest variants are super, super contagious, and it only takes one infected person to pose a serious risk to the other people sharing their space, and then all of their families and friends after they land. All flights should still require testing and masking at this point, or all we’ve really accomplished is pacifying the dimwits and xenophobes.\nI know at least 3 people who 100% contracted COVID while flying domestically in the US this last month - because they were isolated for the incubation period beforehand. They were masked the entire time they were in the airport and on the plane.", ">\n\nIf they were masked up and I assume vaccinated and still caught the virus then preventable measures like these aren’t that effective.", ">\n\nIs there a new strain of Covid that isn't in the U.S yet, otherwise what's the point.", ">\n\nUm testing should not ever stop.", ">\n\nAh shit here we go again", ">\n\n\"Who left the fridge open?\"", ">\n\nIt's \"just a cold\" unless it's a non-white person from another country carrying it.\n/s", ">\n\nChina implemented an ineffective vaccine and had 30m+ cases in one day. It’s specifically that gov. refusing to use effective vaccines", ">\n\nAnd the United States had effective vaccines that half the country is not willing to nor willing to wear masks, while complaining to other countries like China about their travel restrictions (from China and Hong Kong). And honestly I’m not oppose to a tighter restriction on China while they are experiencing a surge in new cases just as it did with any other countries that initially loosen covid restrictions, what makes me question this being race or politically motivated is the hypocrisy; people complained about China being oppressive when it was enforcing all the covid restrictions and when they loosen it “China doesn’t care about human lives”.\nSo what exactly do you want them to do?", ">\n\n\nto Require Negative Covid Tests for Travelers From China\n\nLuckily China is well known for its systemic unwillingness to fake or counterfeit things, so everything should be fine.\nhonest.", ">\n\nSeems purely retaliatory with no actual effectiveness.\nEnforcement is over a week away and presumably China has hit its peak already (flights being 40% positive)", ">\n\nThe rich rats are going to buy fake tests and jump ship breaking quarantine just like they did in the first wave. Cutting flights or enforcing quarantines is the only way to prevent this stuff from jumping oceans but god forbid anybody inhibit the jet setters.", ">\n\nHALF of the passengers on a plane from China going to Italy tested positive the other day (tested on arrival). Chances are most if not all of them had negative test results they could show that they took before they left. This won't do anything to stop people coming into the US while positive..we are going to have to go through this all over again and we won't have the same somewhat cooperative response in the US this time if it is a variant that evades immunity... It will get REALLY bad.", ">\n\nSeriously they know red states will just let them in and will never do another shut down again. So start dealt with out break countries this way to slow it down or corner it. But I see very very bad days ahead for China and Russia is starting to report out breaks too.", ">\n\nMust. When?", ">\n\nWe already require this from canada iirc\nEdit: i was wrong, canada requires it from us.", ">\n\nI hope we are talking PCR tests... those store-bought 15-minute ones struggle to get a positive if you have any sort of vaccination, even while symptomatic and miserable.", ">\n\nWell, a little bit of good news. I'll take it.", ">\n\nTravel should have been 100$ restricted a long time ago. Travel should be restricted to any country experiencing a COVID outbreak.", ">\n\nWonderful. Another round of Asian hating.", ">\n\nWho's hating on Asians? We're trying to stop this virus from killing people.", ">\n\nor… ban flights from china??", ">\n\nDoesn’t make sense in singling out China when covid is widespread in every single country", ">\n\nThe extent of covid in china atm is just absurd. Two weeks ago, they had 37 MILLION cases in one day. Think about that. Thats more people than a lot of countries! \nsource", ">\n\nI wonder why China has so much trouble with COVID compared to other countries, despite being so strict.", ">\n\nIt’s because they had the zero covid approaches that people are advocating for in this thread and they suddenly reversed course. Everyone in China is getting it so fast its likely the same variants quickly spreading in a population that suddenly reversed course. Having many people getting it over time and exposed to new generations of the virus (which is what happens over time) is more insidious but people here think thats fine", ">\n\nEveryone saying this is racist, do not pay attention to the world", ">\n\nIt was called racist and xenophobic when Trump did it. The left are hypocritical emotional wrecks.", ">\n\nnah trump was racist or did you forget he called it the “china virus” and subsequent hate crimes increased against adians", ">\n\nLet’s not change the subject. We’re talking about testing travelers from China here. Always trying to deflect.", ">\n\nIs that what he did, though? That and nothing else? This is a Fox News headline, but I bet there's a lot more to it. There usually is.\nFYI, Italy is also requiring testing of travelers from China at this time.\nBecause of the high number of cases in China at this time.", ">\n\nSo many dumb replies here. I am sad about where humankind is at.", ">\n\nRound two people", ">\n\nWe need to ramp up testing again at border.", ">\n\nChina trying to stop Covid…lol! Fail miserably at that, build a huge infected population, then unleash it on the world. Great job China /s", ">\n\nSell then the Moderna vaccine so they can treat themselves, ans end this debacle.", ">\n\nEven if US send Moderna and Phizer vaccine, China will not use it, because they boast about \"superior\" Chinese vaccine and don't want to lose face.\n​\nUntil they change their attitude, I suggest keeping restriction in place for PRC travelers.", ">\n\nOh definitely.", ">\n\nCCP exporting covid again.", ">\n\nPaywall - can anyone help me read the article? It sounds great in theory but why wait so long? That’s how this all started in 2020. Test now!", ">\n\nChina has been in quarantine until the protests. They have a very low of vaccinated people, so now everyone's breathing on each other's necks, squeezing in tight places and now introducing another pandemic. \nI believe a combination of everyone quarantined for too long and non vaccinated people are making this a very deadly spread.", ">\n\nTheir vaccination rate is not too bad, except among the elderly. But their vaccine was shit even before all the variants.\nThey've been trying to use lockdown to prevent spread and with the new variants that just won't work.\nSo yeah, they're pretty fucked.", ">\n\nVaccination rate is good, but the rate of people who are up to date on boosters is where they fall short even beyond just the elderly. It also doesn't help that the vaccine being used is overall less effective than the ones being used elsewhere like you said. Makes those booster shots many are lacking even more critical.", ">\n\nApparently Americans only get worried when it’s Chinese people spreading Covid as opposed to their own residents, citizens and Europeans.", ">\n\nseems xenophobic /s", ">\n\noh I'm sure conservatives will be very concerned about the \"freedoms\" of those travelers from China", ">\n\nHow's this going to work for the 75% of all our manufactured goods coming in from China?", ">\n\nThank God Biden is doing this if it was Trump they call him racist .", ">\n\nTrump admin did this and it was hailed as a great idea, because it was. And is.\nWho tf cares who the man or president is when it comes to health? Why are some people like this?", ">\n\nYou know that wasnt true.", ">\n\nWhy would they make a move that would indisputably send hundreds of thousands of infected into the wider world including those that may wind up being infected with a new variant or two? \nCan we at least conclude that China does not care about this possibility? Is that verboten to say?\nCan an axiomatically correct statement still result in a ban?", ">\n\nSounds kinda racist.", ">\n\nMakes absolute sense considering what's currently going on there. Canada should do the same. I'll even go as far as say suspend visas / entry from that part of the world temporarily, until they can get it under control", ">\n\nMakes sense. China is exploding with covid and who knows if/when the next bad variant develops there.", ">\n\nLmao Reddit enjoying their shut in lives so much I’d rather jump off the tallest bridge near me before going into lockdowns again.", ">\n\nXenophobia", ">\n\nXenophobic Biden" ]
> My family and I caught covid during Thanksgiving after being careful for two years. Fortunately, we're all vaccinated so the symptoms didn't hit us too hard. We just got lax with being careful, but we'll probably be wearing our masks in crowded places just to be safe.
[ "People from China will travel through Europe and come in to America from the east coast like they did when the pandemic started. This will do nothing if all travelers aboard aren’t made to test.", ">\n\nLet's hope EU and other countries do the same.", ">\n\nI don't know if they will. Australia (for example) had some of the toughest Covid policies and they've essentially just thrown them all out the window.\nSo I don't know how willing countries are to go back to being overly concerned about Covid.", ">\n\nThey should be concerned w chinese, it's spreading like wildfire in china. If we aren't careful, they will come out w covid 20.", ">\n\nIt’s spreading everywhere including the USA. This policy has nothing to do with science or medicine. It’s just politics.", ">\n\nNo. It’s circulating like mad in a population of 1 billion people who haven’t been exposed before. This is how new variants come about. Every country should require negative Covid test for china at least until it cycles through the population", ">\n\n\nNo. It’s circulating like mad in a population of 1 billion people who haven’t been exposed before.\n\nIt's also spreading like mad in all the countries of the world including the USA.\n\nThis is how new variants come about. \n\nAnd they have been for years now.\n\nEvery country should require negative Covid test for china at least until it cycles through the population\n\nOnly for political reasons. There is no scientific or rational demand for this. \nI get it, you hate china, most americans hate china so just be honest and say what you really mean.", ">\n\nStrains are spreading in the west yes, but there are new strains in China that are spreading and we don't know if our vaccines will work with those strains. We know the Chinese vaccines have a low efficacy rate and we know they are not mRNA vaccines which allow for easier adaptation to new strains. Making travelers with a Chinese passport take Covid tests at any and all airports is not racist or even unfair - a reminder that China has been relatively hard to travel to for the last 2 years because they were locked down to foreign travel as well. This is simply good policy from a public health measure, and you not wanting to see that for what it is and instead attribute it to a nascent American hatred for China is laughable. the World Health Organization estimated close to 800 million new cases in China in the next few months, with another estimate 4 million deaths and countless new strains coming out during that period. This is about protection populations, not punishing China.", ">\n\n\nStrains are spreading in the west yes, but there are new strains in China that are spreading and we don't know if our vaccines will work with those strains.\n\nYou don't know if vaccines work against any new variant even if that variant is from a country populated with white people.\n\nWe know the Chinese vaccines have a low efficacy rate and we know they are not mRNA vaccines which allow for easier adaptation to new strains. \n\nThe vaccine doesn't adapt once inside of your body you know that right?\n\nMaking travelers with a Chinese passport take Covid tests at any and all airports is not racist or even unfair \n\nit's definitely unfair and probably racist as well.\n\nhis is simply good policy from a public health measure, a\n\nA good policy would be to require vaccinations from everybody. Think about it, you are requiring a vaccine that you said doesn't even work. How much sense does that make?\n\nattribute it to a nascent American hatred for China is laughable.\n\nNascent?\n\nThis is about protection populations, not punishing China.\n\nIt's definitely about punishing china, it's a part of the current cold war with China conducted by the USA.", ">\n\n\nYou don't know if vaccines work against any new variant even if that variant is from a country populated with white people.\n\nAll the more reason to not invite more new strains into the country. White population or otherwise has nothing to do with it, expected rise in cases in China does.\n\nThe vaccine doesn't adapt once inside of your body you know that right?\n\nYou missed the point. The point i was making was that the Chinese medical system has not even approached Covid with an mRNA vaccine, and steadfastly refused to license western vaccines. If the vaccine most readily available in China has a 50% efficacy then the population is at more risk of contracting the virus and having negative results. The infection rates are increased with each new case of BA.7 (China is currently seeing each covid patient infecting on average 18 other people represented as 1:18, whereas the in US the rate is 1:3.9). Each of these factors increases the risk of developing new strains that are vaccine resistant. \n\nit's definitely unfair and probably racist as well\n\nIs it your position that nations cannot take any prescriptive action to prevent the spread of infected persons from other countries? Again i would remind you that China has basically been locked down for the last 2 years, with severe limitations to personal freedoms themselves. This is not based on race, but rather a government's inability to contain a contagious outbreak in their own country and not wanting it to spread. \n\nA good policy would be to require vaccinations from everybody. Think about it, you are requiring a vaccine that you said doesn't even work. How much sense does that make?\n\nThat might be your definition on good policy, but it isn't mine and that isn't how the west does it. \"I\" am not requiring a vaccine that \"I\" said doesn't work - that was your suggestion not mine. Also, i said the efficacy of the Chinese vaccine is 50% - based on available information - i never said it didn't work, and i never said that it should be mandatory or required.\n\nNascent?\n\nPoor and wrong word choice on my part it seems. What i meant was ascribing the US decision to require testing of Chinese travelers to racism because you believe that the US is racist is laughable. Taking a test to prove that you are covid negative is far less onerous on a traveler than most visa requirements.\n\nIt's definitely about punishing china, it's a part of the current cold war with China conducted by the USA.\n\nCite your sources. I could point to many Chinese government policies that i could say are part of the current cold war with the US without backing it up and it would be just as credible as what you said. Opinion is not a source, and not proof. You assume that the US government is racist, that this policy is racist and yet we have had travel bans imposed on other countries, as well as testing required for travelers from other countries imposed before, and other policies and so has China. For goodness sake China has been closed to foreigners for almost 3 years, and is still closed to foreign travel until January 2023. Is that a racist policy as well?", ">\n\nHere we go again.\nThis time I think I'll learn French cooking.", ">\n\n5000 People a day will have to die before Anybody says the word Lock down in the States ever again.", ">\n\nDon’t understand why people can’t handle staying at home for two weeks when it could potentially eradicate a deadly virus. Are we that weak?", ">\n\nWe did that in large part in March 2020. And did China not spend years locking down their citizens? \nPeoples savings are gone. They need to work. \nWearing a mask would do a lot to help the issue but people aren’t willing to do that anymore.", ">\n\nWe didn't do that though. We didn't all lock down when we were supposed to. Where I work I had to go in from the very start all the way through. Most people, the majority of people, didn't stay home even if they didn't have work. Most people didn't fuck with masks or keeping a distance, and even people who weren't antivaccers didn't take the vaccine seriously for the longest time. \nWe had no fucking lock down, unless you were a well-off celebrity or comedian who wanted to talk about being locked down for content. \nIf people legit locked down, they would have taken a small hit financially, but too many people didn't do shit and prolonged everything.", ">\n\nThe things is that it doesn't take long to drain peoples saving - becuase the overwhelming majority of people have practically none. \nSo an extended lockdown was never feasible unless the government was willing to pay several trillion dollars of expenses, not just 2 or 3 times but several times over.", ">\n\nI didn't dispute any of what you said. I pointed out that most people actively contested any safety measure and most people didn't actually lock down. Any extension will almost certainly be the fault of most of those people. \nI'd gladly let them all die if it meant the few people who did take things seriously didn't have to live through a Walking Dead scenario or have to take a huge financial hit because them.", ">\n\nMost people did lock down just fine initially. After a few weeks turned into a month or more, yeah people got testy.\nAdditionally, a gigantic amount of people work in critical industries and simply cant stay home. Just keeping the lights and water on requires tens of millions of workers, plus industries like plants and refineries that simply cannot shut down without massive long-term consequences.\nReddit is full of office people who can WFH, the vast majority of people cant.", ">\n\nI was one of those who couldn't stay home. Right out of the gate most people gave up on almost all of it except when they were making a show of complying when they had to. There was a lot of cheating. I walk through a lot of different areas. The waves of patients and bodies we got at work tracked with that and became predictable.", ">\n\nWhat’s that saying that ends with ”…doomed to repeat it?”", ">\n\nWhy not just require a negative test from everyone?", ">\n\nWho would you expect to pay for that?", ">\n\nGovernments or sponsors from the private sector ideally, I honestly don’t give a fuck. I’ve gotten many free tests from both and I’ve also bought some for like $8.", ">\n\n“Here we go again” from everyone in the comments. \nThe virus never stopped, we did.", ">\n\nVirus will always be there. Permanent restrictions are unsustainable", ">\n\n3 years later...\nIs this permanent?", ">\n\nI doubt there's anything that would make Republicans running in 2024 happier then Democrats advocating for a return to COVID restrictions.", ">\n\nRight? It’d be like the democrats fighting for gun control, or gay and trans rights, or safe and legal abortions. It would be political suicide to stand for something that Republicans don’t like!", ">\n\nMy understanding is that everything you listed is broadly popular or has at least a majority of American's in favor of it. A return to COVID restrictions is not in that category.", ">\n\nGun control isn’t even universally loved amongst the American left, as the hard left needs them for protection from the hard right they clash with, and the middle left does like having their guns taken as much as any middle right wing does, only mid left likes it", ">\n\nGallup has 57% of Americans feeling that in general gun laws should be more strict.", ">\n\nRegular people want kids to stop dying while in school. The problem is \"stricter laws\" is vague and no one can agree on what it means or give a serious proposal that would work, short of confiscation and bans, which are wildly unpopular.", ">\n\nVague political talking points is the best we’re going to get. Much as I’d love a Ross Perot style of breaking down every platform and promise, the general public doesn’t go for it. Buzz words are all we have the attention span for.", ">\n\nChina's COVID-19 surge raises odds of new coronavirus variants\nThings could get very ugly.", ">\n\nYou say this like covid hasn't been spreading rampantly through literally every country on the planet, mostly without any measures to stop the spread. Why does China get a different treatment and maybe countries should require tests from the US or Inida or Europe?", ">\n\nI agree. US was primarily the culprit of why COVID went rampant to begin with. We actively refused to enforce any sort of safety measures, just a mild suggestion of \"maybe wear a mask, if you want to, it's ok if you don't\" and \"we have vaccines if you want one, no pressure tho\". That was really our response to the world's deadliest pandemic.", ">\n\nWe actively made fun of zero covid approaches on reddit and now based on the comments on this thread we are suddenly pro “zero covid” approaches", ">\n\nEveryone finally watched contagion", ">\n\nSo far my 2023 bingo card is reading alooot of skull and crossbones, I think I might actually win at something next year, what does your score card look like?", ">\n\nWhen’s that $1200 going to hit my account?", ">\n\nI’m still living off mine from last time!", ">\n\nI’m still looking for mine", ">\n\nI’m waiting for that $600 bucks from Biden still, but that’s going right into my retirement!", ">\n\nYou dont get he meant to include any money you already received as well /s", ">\n\nI seem to remember campaign ads with $2000 checks.", ">\n\nYep they explicitly mentioned $2,000 checks.", ">\n\nMy comment was sarcasm but in retrospect there are so many neoliberals saying that word for word in all seriousness that I should and will add a sarcasm tag", ">\n\nThat's nice and all, but let's not act like we're not just ignoring our own COVID problems.", ">\n\n\n\"You don't have zero tolerance anymore? We can't tolerate that.\"\n\n- Country with 100% tolerance", ">\n\nWhy not require a negative COVID test from everyone entering the country? It’s like they don’t want COVID to be under control.", ">\n\nI think this is because China has a relatively low vaccination rate because they relied on lock downs. Now that lock downs are being ramped down, they are having a huge surge.", ">\n\nThe vaccination rate in China is considerably higher than the US (92% vs 81%). This is just another example of yellow peril", ">\n\nThank you for pointing this out. What I said above was wrong about the vaccination rate. I don’t know why exactly China is having a surge. 🤷‍♂️", ">\n\nTheir vaccination rate is high but their vaccine, SinoVac is based on old tech. It conveys effectively zero protection from variants when compared to all the other types of vaccines on the market.", ">\n\nYou guys are so full of shit. At 3 doses Sinovac gives the same protection as any western vaccine with boosters to help mitigate mutated variants. Stop spreading misinfo.", ">\n\n\"Does that thumbnail of someone getting tested read too much like 'screaming uselessly into the void'?\"\n\"I'm sure it'll be fine.\"", ">\n\nMaybe, just maybe they shouldnt have stopped testing airplane passengers in the first place... \nWe have cheap, readily available tests that take 10 minutes to complete. There’s really no reason not to test ever passenger before boarding...", ">\n\nEveryone I know who had Omicron tested negative until their symptoms cleared. It was evading the RATs, for some reason.", ">\n\nI tested positive on a rapid test two days after getting congested. Every teacher coworker of mine who bothered to test after getting cold symptoms also did. I think it's why so few parents now test their kids before sending time to school sick. They don't want to know so we all find out when we or our family members then test positive, missing work on their sick kids' behalf so they didn't have to. \nI have also heard the rapid test can give false negatives but anecdotal references don't mean much.", ">\n\nA day late and a dollar short. Same old song and dance.", ">\n\nWow, it’s like history literally repeating itself.", ">\n\nIndeed it is. I hope everyone is prepared for what’s next.", ">\n\nWe should require negative COVID tests for people to fly within the US, too.\nIt makes no difference to me if the person who infects me at LAX is coming in from China, or from Texas.", ">\n\nThere is a high chance anyone that comes from China has Covid right now. Low chance that someone inside America has.", ">\n\nNaw. China’s percent is much higher, sure, but it’s not like US infection rates are low. You can pretty much guarantee an infected American on every sold out domestic flight. The latest variants are super, super contagious, and it only takes one infected person to pose a serious risk to the other people sharing their space, and then all of their families and friends after they land. All flights should still require testing and masking at this point, or all we’ve really accomplished is pacifying the dimwits and xenophobes.\nI know at least 3 people who 100% contracted COVID while flying domestically in the US this last month - because they were isolated for the incubation period beforehand. They were masked the entire time they were in the airport and on the plane.", ">\n\nIf they were masked up and I assume vaccinated and still caught the virus then preventable measures like these aren’t that effective.", ">\n\nIs there a new strain of Covid that isn't in the U.S yet, otherwise what's the point.", ">\n\nUm testing should not ever stop.", ">\n\nAh shit here we go again", ">\n\n\"Who left the fridge open?\"", ">\n\nIt's \"just a cold\" unless it's a non-white person from another country carrying it.\n/s", ">\n\nChina implemented an ineffective vaccine and had 30m+ cases in one day. It’s specifically that gov. refusing to use effective vaccines", ">\n\nAnd the United States had effective vaccines that half the country is not willing to nor willing to wear masks, while complaining to other countries like China about their travel restrictions (from China and Hong Kong). And honestly I’m not oppose to a tighter restriction on China while they are experiencing a surge in new cases just as it did with any other countries that initially loosen covid restrictions, what makes me question this being race or politically motivated is the hypocrisy; people complained about China being oppressive when it was enforcing all the covid restrictions and when they loosen it “China doesn’t care about human lives”.\nSo what exactly do you want them to do?", ">\n\n\nto Require Negative Covid Tests for Travelers From China\n\nLuckily China is well known for its systemic unwillingness to fake or counterfeit things, so everything should be fine.\nhonest.", ">\n\nSeems purely retaliatory with no actual effectiveness.\nEnforcement is over a week away and presumably China has hit its peak already (flights being 40% positive)", ">\n\nThe rich rats are going to buy fake tests and jump ship breaking quarantine just like they did in the first wave. Cutting flights or enforcing quarantines is the only way to prevent this stuff from jumping oceans but god forbid anybody inhibit the jet setters.", ">\n\nHALF of the passengers on a plane from China going to Italy tested positive the other day (tested on arrival). Chances are most if not all of them had negative test results they could show that they took before they left. This won't do anything to stop people coming into the US while positive..we are going to have to go through this all over again and we won't have the same somewhat cooperative response in the US this time if it is a variant that evades immunity... It will get REALLY bad.", ">\n\nSeriously they know red states will just let them in and will never do another shut down again. So start dealt with out break countries this way to slow it down or corner it. But I see very very bad days ahead for China and Russia is starting to report out breaks too.", ">\n\nMust. When?", ">\n\nWe already require this from canada iirc\nEdit: i was wrong, canada requires it from us.", ">\n\nI hope we are talking PCR tests... those store-bought 15-minute ones struggle to get a positive if you have any sort of vaccination, even while symptomatic and miserable.", ">\n\nWell, a little bit of good news. I'll take it.", ">\n\nTravel should have been 100$ restricted a long time ago. Travel should be restricted to any country experiencing a COVID outbreak.", ">\n\nWonderful. Another round of Asian hating.", ">\n\nWho's hating on Asians? We're trying to stop this virus from killing people.", ">\n\nor… ban flights from china??", ">\n\nDoesn’t make sense in singling out China when covid is widespread in every single country", ">\n\nThe extent of covid in china atm is just absurd. Two weeks ago, they had 37 MILLION cases in one day. Think about that. Thats more people than a lot of countries! \nsource", ">\n\nI wonder why China has so much trouble with COVID compared to other countries, despite being so strict.", ">\n\nIt’s because they had the zero covid approaches that people are advocating for in this thread and they suddenly reversed course. Everyone in China is getting it so fast its likely the same variants quickly spreading in a population that suddenly reversed course. Having many people getting it over time and exposed to new generations of the virus (which is what happens over time) is more insidious but people here think thats fine", ">\n\nEveryone saying this is racist, do not pay attention to the world", ">\n\nIt was called racist and xenophobic when Trump did it. The left are hypocritical emotional wrecks.", ">\n\nnah trump was racist or did you forget he called it the “china virus” and subsequent hate crimes increased against adians", ">\n\nLet’s not change the subject. We’re talking about testing travelers from China here. Always trying to deflect.", ">\n\nIs that what he did, though? That and nothing else? This is a Fox News headline, but I bet there's a lot more to it. There usually is.\nFYI, Italy is also requiring testing of travelers from China at this time.\nBecause of the high number of cases in China at this time.", ">\n\nSo many dumb replies here. I am sad about where humankind is at.", ">\n\nRound two people", ">\n\nWe need to ramp up testing again at border.", ">\n\nChina trying to stop Covid…lol! Fail miserably at that, build a huge infected population, then unleash it on the world. Great job China /s", ">\n\nSell then the Moderna vaccine so they can treat themselves, ans end this debacle.", ">\n\nEven if US send Moderna and Phizer vaccine, China will not use it, because they boast about \"superior\" Chinese vaccine and don't want to lose face.\n​\nUntil they change their attitude, I suggest keeping restriction in place for PRC travelers.", ">\n\nOh definitely.", ">\n\nCCP exporting covid again.", ">\n\nPaywall - can anyone help me read the article? It sounds great in theory but why wait so long? That’s how this all started in 2020. Test now!", ">\n\nChina has been in quarantine until the protests. They have a very low of vaccinated people, so now everyone's breathing on each other's necks, squeezing in tight places and now introducing another pandemic. \nI believe a combination of everyone quarantined for too long and non vaccinated people are making this a very deadly spread.", ">\n\nTheir vaccination rate is not too bad, except among the elderly. But their vaccine was shit even before all the variants.\nThey've been trying to use lockdown to prevent spread and with the new variants that just won't work.\nSo yeah, they're pretty fucked.", ">\n\nVaccination rate is good, but the rate of people who are up to date on boosters is where they fall short even beyond just the elderly. It also doesn't help that the vaccine being used is overall less effective than the ones being used elsewhere like you said. Makes those booster shots many are lacking even more critical.", ">\n\nApparently Americans only get worried when it’s Chinese people spreading Covid as opposed to their own residents, citizens and Europeans.", ">\n\nseems xenophobic /s", ">\n\noh I'm sure conservatives will be very concerned about the \"freedoms\" of those travelers from China", ">\n\nHow's this going to work for the 75% of all our manufactured goods coming in from China?", ">\n\nThank God Biden is doing this if it was Trump they call him racist .", ">\n\nTrump admin did this and it was hailed as a great idea, because it was. And is.\nWho tf cares who the man or president is when it comes to health? Why are some people like this?", ">\n\nYou know that wasnt true.", ">\n\nWhy would they make a move that would indisputably send hundreds of thousands of infected into the wider world including those that may wind up being infected with a new variant or two? \nCan we at least conclude that China does not care about this possibility? Is that verboten to say?\nCan an axiomatically correct statement still result in a ban?", ">\n\nSounds kinda racist.", ">\n\nMakes absolute sense considering what's currently going on there. Canada should do the same. I'll even go as far as say suspend visas / entry from that part of the world temporarily, until they can get it under control", ">\n\nMakes sense. China is exploding with covid and who knows if/when the next bad variant develops there.", ">\n\nLmao Reddit enjoying their shut in lives so much I’d rather jump off the tallest bridge near me before going into lockdowns again.", ">\n\nXenophobia", ">\n\nXenophobic Biden", ">\n\nPeople are acting like Covid stopped spreading in the US… The US just decided to ignore it, that is until China gained more cases, and now it’s back to fear mongering Chinese people. I see that xenophobia is still alive and well in the US." ]
> I never stopped wearing masks in the US while going to stores. The reality is we have had waves of Covid here in the US, and we have had different mutations of variants too.
[ "People from China will travel through Europe and come in to America from the east coast like they did when the pandemic started. This will do nothing if all travelers aboard aren’t made to test.", ">\n\nLet's hope EU and other countries do the same.", ">\n\nI don't know if they will. Australia (for example) had some of the toughest Covid policies and they've essentially just thrown them all out the window.\nSo I don't know how willing countries are to go back to being overly concerned about Covid.", ">\n\nThey should be concerned w chinese, it's spreading like wildfire in china. If we aren't careful, they will come out w covid 20.", ">\n\nIt’s spreading everywhere including the USA. This policy has nothing to do with science or medicine. It’s just politics.", ">\n\nNo. It’s circulating like mad in a population of 1 billion people who haven’t been exposed before. This is how new variants come about. Every country should require negative Covid test for china at least until it cycles through the population", ">\n\n\nNo. It’s circulating like mad in a population of 1 billion people who haven’t been exposed before.\n\nIt's also spreading like mad in all the countries of the world including the USA.\n\nThis is how new variants come about. \n\nAnd they have been for years now.\n\nEvery country should require negative Covid test for china at least until it cycles through the population\n\nOnly for political reasons. There is no scientific or rational demand for this. \nI get it, you hate china, most americans hate china so just be honest and say what you really mean.", ">\n\nStrains are spreading in the west yes, but there are new strains in China that are spreading and we don't know if our vaccines will work with those strains. We know the Chinese vaccines have a low efficacy rate and we know they are not mRNA vaccines which allow for easier adaptation to new strains. Making travelers with a Chinese passport take Covid tests at any and all airports is not racist or even unfair - a reminder that China has been relatively hard to travel to for the last 2 years because they were locked down to foreign travel as well. This is simply good policy from a public health measure, and you not wanting to see that for what it is and instead attribute it to a nascent American hatred for China is laughable. the World Health Organization estimated close to 800 million new cases in China in the next few months, with another estimate 4 million deaths and countless new strains coming out during that period. This is about protection populations, not punishing China.", ">\n\n\nStrains are spreading in the west yes, but there are new strains in China that are spreading and we don't know if our vaccines will work with those strains.\n\nYou don't know if vaccines work against any new variant even if that variant is from a country populated with white people.\n\nWe know the Chinese vaccines have a low efficacy rate and we know they are not mRNA vaccines which allow for easier adaptation to new strains. \n\nThe vaccine doesn't adapt once inside of your body you know that right?\n\nMaking travelers with a Chinese passport take Covid tests at any and all airports is not racist or even unfair \n\nit's definitely unfair and probably racist as well.\n\nhis is simply good policy from a public health measure, a\n\nA good policy would be to require vaccinations from everybody. Think about it, you are requiring a vaccine that you said doesn't even work. How much sense does that make?\n\nattribute it to a nascent American hatred for China is laughable.\n\nNascent?\n\nThis is about protection populations, not punishing China.\n\nIt's definitely about punishing china, it's a part of the current cold war with China conducted by the USA.", ">\n\n\nYou don't know if vaccines work against any new variant even if that variant is from a country populated with white people.\n\nAll the more reason to not invite more new strains into the country. White population or otherwise has nothing to do with it, expected rise in cases in China does.\n\nThe vaccine doesn't adapt once inside of your body you know that right?\n\nYou missed the point. The point i was making was that the Chinese medical system has not even approached Covid with an mRNA vaccine, and steadfastly refused to license western vaccines. If the vaccine most readily available in China has a 50% efficacy then the population is at more risk of contracting the virus and having negative results. The infection rates are increased with each new case of BA.7 (China is currently seeing each covid patient infecting on average 18 other people represented as 1:18, whereas the in US the rate is 1:3.9). Each of these factors increases the risk of developing new strains that are vaccine resistant. \n\nit's definitely unfair and probably racist as well\n\nIs it your position that nations cannot take any prescriptive action to prevent the spread of infected persons from other countries? Again i would remind you that China has basically been locked down for the last 2 years, with severe limitations to personal freedoms themselves. This is not based on race, but rather a government's inability to contain a contagious outbreak in their own country and not wanting it to spread. \n\nA good policy would be to require vaccinations from everybody. Think about it, you are requiring a vaccine that you said doesn't even work. How much sense does that make?\n\nThat might be your definition on good policy, but it isn't mine and that isn't how the west does it. \"I\" am not requiring a vaccine that \"I\" said doesn't work - that was your suggestion not mine. Also, i said the efficacy of the Chinese vaccine is 50% - based on available information - i never said it didn't work, and i never said that it should be mandatory or required.\n\nNascent?\n\nPoor and wrong word choice on my part it seems. What i meant was ascribing the US decision to require testing of Chinese travelers to racism because you believe that the US is racist is laughable. Taking a test to prove that you are covid negative is far less onerous on a traveler than most visa requirements.\n\nIt's definitely about punishing china, it's a part of the current cold war with China conducted by the USA.\n\nCite your sources. I could point to many Chinese government policies that i could say are part of the current cold war with the US without backing it up and it would be just as credible as what you said. Opinion is not a source, and not proof. You assume that the US government is racist, that this policy is racist and yet we have had travel bans imposed on other countries, as well as testing required for travelers from other countries imposed before, and other policies and so has China. For goodness sake China has been closed to foreigners for almost 3 years, and is still closed to foreign travel until January 2023. Is that a racist policy as well?", ">\n\nHere we go again.\nThis time I think I'll learn French cooking.", ">\n\n5000 People a day will have to die before Anybody says the word Lock down in the States ever again.", ">\n\nDon’t understand why people can’t handle staying at home for two weeks when it could potentially eradicate a deadly virus. Are we that weak?", ">\n\nWe did that in large part in March 2020. And did China not spend years locking down their citizens? \nPeoples savings are gone. They need to work. \nWearing a mask would do a lot to help the issue but people aren’t willing to do that anymore.", ">\n\nWe didn't do that though. We didn't all lock down when we were supposed to. Where I work I had to go in from the very start all the way through. Most people, the majority of people, didn't stay home even if they didn't have work. Most people didn't fuck with masks or keeping a distance, and even people who weren't antivaccers didn't take the vaccine seriously for the longest time. \nWe had no fucking lock down, unless you were a well-off celebrity or comedian who wanted to talk about being locked down for content. \nIf people legit locked down, they would have taken a small hit financially, but too many people didn't do shit and prolonged everything.", ">\n\nThe things is that it doesn't take long to drain peoples saving - becuase the overwhelming majority of people have practically none. \nSo an extended lockdown was never feasible unless the government was willing to pay several trillion dollars of expenses, not just 2 or 3 times but several times over.", ">\n\nI didn't dispute any of what you said. I pointed out that most people actively contested any safety measure and most people didn't actually lock down. Any extension will almost certainly be the fault of most of those people. \nI'd gladly let them all die if it meant the few people who did take things seriously didn't have to live through a Walking Dead scenario or have to take a huge financial hit because them.", ">\n\nMost people did lock down just fine initially. After a few weeks turned into a month or more, yeah people got testy.\nAdditionally, a gigantic amount of people work in critical industries and simply cant stay home. Just keeping the lights and water on requires tens of millions of workers, plus industries like plants and refineries that simply cannot shut down without massive long-term consequences.\nReddit is full of office people who can WFH, the vast majority of people cant.", ">\n\nI was one of those who couldn't stay home. Right out of the gate most people gave up on almost all of it except when they were making a show of complying when they had to. There was a lot of cheating. I walk through a lot of different areas. The waves of patients and bodies we got at work tracked with that and became predictable.", ">\n\nWhat’s that saying that ends with ”…doomed to repeat it?”", ">\n\nWhy not just require a negative test from everyone?", ">\n\nWho would you expect to pay for that?", ">\n\nGovernments or sponsors from the private sector ideally, I honestly don’t give a fuck. I’ve gotten many free tests from both and I’ve also bought some for like $8.", ">\n\n“Here we go again” from everyone in the comments. \nThe virus never stopped, we did.", ">\n\nVirus will always be there. Permanent restrictions are unsustainable", ">\n\n3 years later...\nIs this permanent?", ">\n\nI doubt there's anything that would make Republicans running in 2024 happier then Democrats advocating for a return to COVID restrictions.", ">\n\nRight? It’d be like the democrats fighting for gun control, or gay and trans rights, or safe and legal abortions. It would be political suicide to stand for something that Republicans don’t like!", ">\n\nMy understanding is that everything you listed is broadly popular or has at least a majority of American's in favor of it. A return to COVID restrictions is not in that category.", ">\n\nGun control isn’t even universally loved amongst the American left, as the hard left needs them for protection from the hard right they clash with, and the middle left does like having their guns taken as much as any middle right wing does, only mid left likes it", ">\n\nGallup has 57% of Americans feeling that in general gun laws should be more strict.", ">\n\nRegular people want kids to stop dying while in school. The problem is \"stricter laws\" is vague and no one can agree on what it means or give a serious proposal that would work, short of confiscation and bans, which are wildly unpopular.", ">\n\nVague political talking points is the best we’re going to get. Much as I’d love a Ross Perot style of breaking down every platform and promise, the general public doesn’t go for it. Buzz words are all we have the attention span for.", ">\n\nChina's COVID-19 surge raises odds of new coronavirus variants\nThings could get very ugly.", ">\n\nYou say this like covid hasn't been spreading rampantly through literally every country on the planet, mostly without any measures to stop the spread. Why does China get a different treatment and maybe countries should require tests from the US or Inida or Europe?", ">\n\nI agree. US was primarily the culprit of why COVID went rampant to begin with. We actively refused to enforce any sort of safety measures, just a mild suggestion of \"maybe wear a mask, if you want to, it's ok if you don't\" and \"we have vaccines if you want one, no pressure tho\". That was really our response to the world's deadliest pandemic.", ">\n\nWe actively made fun of zero covid approaches on reddit and now based on the comments on this thread we are suddenly pro “zero covid” approaches", ">\n\nEveryone finally watched contagion", ">\n\nSo far my 2023 bingo card is reading alooot of skull and crossbones, I think I might actually win at something next year, what does your score card look like?", ">\n\nWhen’s that $1200 going to hit my account?", ">\n\nI’m still living off mine from last time!", ">\n\nI’m still looking for mine", ">\n\nI’m waiting for that $600 bucks from Biden still, but that’s going right into my retirement!", ">\n\nYou dont get he meant to include any money you already received as well /s", ">\n\nI seem to remember campaign ads with $2000 checks.", ">\n\nYep they explicitly mentioned $2,000 checks.", ">\n\nMy comment was sarcasm but in retrospect there are so many neoliberals saying that word for word in all seriousness that I should and will add a sarcasm tag", ">\n\nThat's nice and all, but let's not act like we're not just ignoring our own COVID problems.", ">\n\n\n\"You don't have zero tolerance anymore? We can't tolerate that.\"\n\n- Country with 100% tolerance", ">\n\nWhy not require a negative COVID test from everyone entering the country? It’s like they don’t want COVID to be under control.", ">\n\nI think this is because China has a relatively low vaccination rate because they relied on lock downs. Now that lock downs are being ramped down, they are having a huge surge.", ">\n\nThe vaccination rate in China is considerably higher than the US (92% vs 81%). This is just another example of yellow peril", ">\n\nThank you for pointing this out. What I said above was wrong about the vaccination rate. I don’t know why exactly China is having a surge. 🤷‍♂️", ">\n\nTheir vaccination rate is high but their vaccine, SinoVac is based on old tech. It conveys effectively zero protection from variants when compared to all the other types of vaccines on the market.", ">\n\nYou guys are so full of shit. At 3 doses Sinovac gives the same protection as any western vaccine with boosters to help mitigate mutated variants. Stop spreading misinfo.", ">\n\n\"Does that thumbnail of someone getting tested read too much like 'screaming uselessly into the void'?\"\n\"I'm sure it'll be fine.\"", ">\n\nMaybe, just maybe they shouldnt have stopped testing airplane passengers in the first place... \nWe have cheap, readily available tests that take 10 minutes to complete. There’s really no reason not to test ever passenger before boarding...", ">\n\nEveryone I know who had Omicron tested negative until their symptoms cleared. It was evading the RATs, for some reason.", ">\n\nI tested positive on a rapid test two days after getting congested. Every teacher coworker of mine who bothered to test after getting cold symptoms also did. I think it's why so few parents now test their kids before sending time to school sick. They don't want to know so we all find out when we or our family members then test positive, missing work on their sick kids' behalf so they didn't have to. \nI have also heard the rapid test can give false negatives but anecdotal references don't mean much.", ">\n\nA day late and a dollar short. Same old song and dance.", ">\n\nWow, it’s like history literally repeating itself.", ">\n\nIndeed it is. I hope everyone is prepared for what’s next.", ">\n\nWe should require negative COVID tests for people to fly within the US, too.\nIt makes no difference to me if the person who infects me at LAX is coming in from China, or from Texas.", ">\n\nThere is a high chance anyone that comes from China has Covid right now. Low chance that someone inside America has.", ">\n\nNaw. China’s percent is much higher, sure, but it’s not like US infection rates are low. You can pretty much guarantee an infected American on every sold out domestic flight. The latest variants are super, super contagious, and it only takes one infected person to pose a serious risk to the other people sharing their space, and then all of their families and friends after they land. All flights should still require testing and masking at this point, or all we’ve really accomplished is pacifying the dimwits and xenophobes.\nI know at least 3 people who 100% contracted COVID while flying domestically in the US this last month - because they were isolated for the incubation period beforehand. They were masked the entire time they were in the airport and on the plane.", ">\n\nIf they were masked up and I assume vaccinated and still caught the virus then preventable measures like these aren’t that effective.", ">\n\nIs there a new strain of Covid that isn't in the U.S yet, otherwise what's the point.", ">\n\nUm testing should not ever stop.", ">\n\nAh shit here we go again", ">\n\n\"Who left the fridge open?\"", ">\n\nIt's \"just a cold\" unless it's a non-white person from another country carrying it.\n/s", ">\n\nChina implemented an ineffective vaccine and had 30m+ cases in one day. It’s specifically that gov. refusing to use effective vaccines", ">\n\nAnd the United States had effective vaccines that half the country is not willing to nor willing to wear masks, while complaining to other countries like China about their travel restrictions (from China and Hong Kong). And honestly I’m not oppose to a tighter restriction on China while they are experiencing a surge in new cases just as it did with any other countries that initially loosen covid restrictions, what makes me question this being race or politically motivated is the hypocrisy; people complained about China being oppressive when it was enforcing all the covid restrictions and when they loosen it “China doesn’t care about human lives”.\nSo what exactly do you want them to do?", ">\n\n\nto Require Negative Covid Tests for Travelers From China\n\nLuckily China is well known for its systemic unwillingness to fake or counterfeit things, so everything should be fine.\nhonest.", ">\n\nSeems purely retaliatory with no actual effectiveness.\nEnforcement is over a week away and presumably China has hit its peak already (flights being 40% positive)", ">\n\nThe rich rats are going to buy fake tests and jump ship breaking quarantine just like they did in the first wave. Cutting flights or enforcing quarantines is the only way to prevent this stuff from jumping oceans but god forbid anybody inhibit the jet setters.", ">\n\nHALF of the passengers on a plane from China going to Italy tested positive the other day (tested on arrival). Chances are most if not all of them had negative test results they could show that they took before they left. This won't do anything to stop people coming into the US while positive..we are going to have to go through this all over again and we won't have the same somewhat cooperative response in the US this time if it is a variant that evades immunity... It will get REALLY bad.", ">\n\nSeriously they know red states will just let them in and will never do another shut down again. So start dealt with out break countries this way to slow it down or corner it. But I see very very bad days ahead for China and Russia is starting to report out breaks too.", ">\n\nMust. When?", ">\n\nWe already require this from canada iirc\nEdit: i was wrong, canada requires it from us.", ">\n\nI hope we are talking PCR tests... those store-bought 15-minute ones struggle to get a positive if you have any sort of vaccination, even while symptomatic and miserable.", ">\n\nWell, a little bit of good news. I'll take it.", ">\n\nTravel should have been 100$ restricted a long time ago. Travel should be restricted to any country experiencing a COVID outbreak.", ">\n\nWonderful. Another round of Asian hating.", ">\n\nWho's hating on Asians? We're trying to stop this virus from killing people.", ">\n\nor… ban flights from china??", ">\n\nDoesn’t make sense in singling out China when covid is widespread in every single country", ">\n\nThe extent of covid in china atm is just absurd. Two weeks ago, they had 37 MILLION cases in one day. Think about that. Thats more people than a lot of countries! \nsource", ">\n\nI wonder why China has so much trouble with COVID compared to other countries, despite being so strict.", ">\n\nIt’s because they had the zero covid approaches that people are advocating for in this thread and they suddenly reversed course. Everyone in China is getting it so fast its likely the same variants quickly spreading in a population that suddenly reversed course. Having many people getting it over time and exposed to new generations of the virus (which is what happens over time) is more insidious but people here think thats fine", ">\n\nEveryone saying this is racist, do not pay attention to the world", ">\n\nIt was called racist and xenophobic when Trump did it. The left are hypocritical emotional wrecks.", ">\n\nnah trump was racist or did you forget he called it the “china virus” and subsequent hate crimes increased against adians", ">\n\nLet’s not change the subject. We’re talking about testing travelers from China here. Always trying to deflect.", ">\n\nIs that what he did, though? That and nothing else? This is a Fox News headline, but I bet there's a lot more to it. There usually is.\nFYI, Italy is also requiring testing of travelers from China at this time.\nBecause of the high number of cases in China at this time.", ">\n\nSo many dumb replies here. I am sad about where humankind is at.", ">\n\nRound two people", ">\n\nWe need to ramp up testing again at border.", ">\n\nChina trying to stop Covid…lol! Fail miserably at that, build a huge infected population, then unleash it on the world. Great job China /s", ">\n\nSell then the Moderna vaccine so they can treat themselves, ans end this debacle.", ">\n\nEven if US send Moderna and Phizer vaccine, China will not use it, because they boast about \"superior\" Chinese vaccine and don't want to lose face.\n​\nUntil they change their attitude, I suggest keeping restriction in place for PRC travelers.", ">\n\nOh definitely.", ">\n\nCCP exporting covid again.", ">\n\nPaywall - can anyone help me read the article? It sounds great in theory but why wait so long? That’s how this all started in 2020. Test now!", ">\n\nChina has been in quarantine until the protests. They have a very low of vaccinated people, so now everyone's breathing on each other's necks, squeezing in tight places and now introducing another pandemic. \nI believe a combination of everyone quarantined for too long and non vaccinated people are making this a very deadly spread.", ">\n\nTheir vaccination rate is not too bad, except among the elderly. But their vaccine was shit even before all the variants.\nThey've been trying to use lockdown to prevent spread and with the new variants that just won't work.\nSo yeah, they're pretty fucked.", ">\n\nVaccination rate is good, but the rate of people who are up to date on boosters is where they fall short even beyond just the elderly. It also doesn't help that the vaccine being used is overall less effective than the ones being used elsewhere like you said. Makes those booster shots many are lacking even more critical.", ">\n\nApparently Americans only get worried when it’s Chinese people spreading Covid as opposed to their own residents, citizens and Europeans.", ">\n\nseems xenophobic /s", ">\n\noh I'm sure conservatives will be very concerned about the \"freedoms\" of those travelers from China", ">\n\nHow's this going to work for the 75% of all our manufactured goods coming in from China?", ">\n\nThank God Biden is doing this if it was Trump they call him racist .", ">\n\nTrump admin did this and it was hailed as a great idea, because it was. And is.\nWho tf cares who the man or president is when it comes to health? Why are some people like this?", ">\n\nYou know that wasnt true.", ">\n\nWhy would they make a move that would indisputably send hundreds of thousands of infected into the wider world including those that may wind up being infected with a new variant or two? \nCan we at least conclude that China does not care about this possibility? Is that verboten to say?\nCan an axiomatically correct statement still result in a ban?", ">\n\nSounds kinda racist.", ">\n\nMakes absolute sense considering what's currently going on there. Canada should do the same. I'll even go as far as say suspend visas / entry from that part of the world temporarily, until they can get it under control", ">\n\nMakes sense. China is exploding with covid and who knows if/when the next bad variant develops there.", ">\n\nLmao Reddit enjoying their shut in lives so much I’d rather jump off the tallest bridge near me before going into lockdowns again.", ">\n\nXenophobia", ">\n\nXenophobic Biden", ">\n\nPeople are acting like Covid stopped spreading in the US… The US just decided to ignore it, that is until China gained more cases, and now it’s back to fear mongering Chinese people. I see that xenophobia is still alive and well in the US.", ">\n\nMy family and I caught covid during Thanksgiving after being careful for two years. Fortunately, we're all vaccinated so the symptoms didn't hit us too hard. We just got lax with being careful, but we'll probably be wearing our masks in crowded places just to be safe." ]
> Thats racist. Biden should be ashamed of himself for allowing such bigotry and hatred towards our Chinese brethren.
[ "People from China will travel through Europe and come in to America from the east coast like they did when the pandemic started. This will do nothing if all travelers aboard aren’t made to test.", ">\n\nLet's hope EU and other countries do the same.", ">\n\nI don't know if they will. Australia (for example) had some of the toughest Covid policies and they've essentially just thrown them all out the window.\nSo I don't know how willing countries are to go back to being overly concerned about Covid.", ">\n\nThey should be concerned w chinese, it's spreading like wildfire in china. If we aren't careful, they will come out w covid 20.", ">\n\nIt’s spreading everywhere including the USA. This policy has nothing to do with science or medicine. It’s just politics.", ">\n\nNo. It’s circulating like mad in a population of 1 billion people who haven’t been exposed before. This is how new variants come about. Every country should require negative Covid test for china at least until it cycles through the population", ">\n\n\nNo. It’s circulating like mad in a population of 1 billion people who haven’t been exposed before.\n\nIt's also spreading like mad in all the countries of the world including the USA.\n\nThis is how new variants come about. \n\nAnd they have been for years now.\n\nEvery country should require negative Covid test for china at least until it cycles through the population\n\nOnly for political reasons. There is no scientific or rational demand for this. \nI get it, you hate china, most americans hate china so just be honest and say what you really mean.", ">\n\nStrains are spreading in the west yes, but there are new strains in China that are spreading and we don't know if our vaccines will work with those strains. We know the Chinese vaccines have a low efficacy rate and we know they are not mRNA vaccines which allow for easier adaptation to new strains. Making travelers with a Chinese passport take Covid tests at any and all airports is not racist or even unfair - a reminder that China has been relatively hard to travel to for the last 2 years because they were locked down to foreign travel as well. This is simply good policy from a public health measure, and you not wanting to see that for what it is and instead attribute it to a nascent American hatred for China is laughable. the World Health Organization estimated close to 800 million new cases in China in the next few months, with another estimate 4 million deaths and countless new strains coming out during that period. This is about protection populations, not punishing China.", ">\n\n\nStrains are spreading in the west yes, but there are new strains in China that are spreading and we don't know if our vaccines will work with those strains.\n\nYou don't know if vaccines work against any new variant even if that variant is from a country populated with white people.\n\nWe know the Chinese vaccines have a low efficacy rate and we know they are not mRNA vaccines which allow for easier adaptation to new strains. \n\nThe vaccine doesn't adapt once inside of your body you know that right?\n\nMaking travelers with a Chinese passport take Covid tests at any and all airports is not racist or even unfair \n\nit's definitely unfair and probably racist as well.\n\nhis is simply good policy from a public health measure, a\n\nA good policy would be to require vaccinations from everybody. Think about it, you are requiring a vaccine that you said doesn't even work. How much sense does that make?\n\nattribute it to a nascent American hatred for China is laughable.\n\nNascent?\n\nThis is about protection populations, not punishing China.\n\nIt's definitely about punishing china, it's a part of the current cold war with China conducted by the USA.", ">\n\n\nYou don't know if vaccines work against any new variant even if that variant is from a country populated with white people.\n\nAll the more reason to not invite more new strains into the country. White population or otherwise has nothing to do with it, expected rise in cases in China does.\n\nThe vaccine doesn't adapt once inside of your body you know that right?\n\nYou missed the point. The point i was making was that the Chinese medical system has not even approached Covid with an mRNA vaccine, and steadfastly refused to license western vaccines. If the vaccine most readily available in China has a 50% efficacy then the population is at more risk of contracting the virus and having negative results. The infection rates are increased with each new case of BA.7 (China is currently seeing each covid patient infecting on average 18 other people represented as 1:18, whereas the in US the rate is 1:3.9). Each of these factors increases the risk of developing new strains that are vaccine resistant. \n\nit's definitely unfair and probably racist as well\n\nIs it your position that nations cannot take any prescriptive action to prevent the spread of infected persons from other countries? Again i would remind you that China has basically been locked down for the last 2 years, with severe limitations to personal freedoms themselves. This is not based on race, but rather a government's inability to contain a contagious outbreak in their own country and not wanting it to spread. \n\nA good policy would be to require vaccinations from everybody. Think about it, you are requiring a vaccine that you said doesn't even work. How much sense does that make?\n\nThat might be your definition on good policy, but it isn't mine and that isn't how the west does it. \"I\" am not requiring a vaccine that \"I\" said doesn't work - that was your suggestion not mine. Also, i said the efficacy of the Chinese vaccine is 50% - based on available information - i never said it didn't work, and i never said that it should be mandatory or required.\n\nNascent?\n\nPoor and wrong word choice on my part it seems. What i meant was ascribing the US decision to require testing of Chinese travelers to racism because you believe that the US is racist is laughable. Taking a test to prove that you are covid negative is far less onerous on a traveler than most visa requirements.\n\nIt's definitely about punishing china, it's a part of the current cold war with China conducted by the USA.\n\nCite your sources. I could point to many Chinese government policies that i could say are part of the current cold war with the US without backing it up and it would be just as credible as what you said. Opinion is not a source, and not proof. You assume that the US government is racist, that this policy is racist and yet we have had travel bans imposed on other countries, as well as testing required for travelers from other countries imposed before, and other policies and so has China. For goodness sake China has been closed to foreigners for almost 3 years, and is still closed to foreign travel until January 2023. Is that a racist policy as well?", ">\n\nHere we go again.\nThis time I think I'll learn French cooking.", ">\n\n5000 People a day will have to die before Anybody says the word Lock down in the States ever again.", ">\n\nDon’t understand why people can’t handle staying at home for two weeks when it could potentially eradicate a deadly virus. Are we that weak?", ">\n\nWe did that in large part in March 2020. And did China not spend years locking down their citizens? \nPeoples savings are gone. They need to work. \nWearing a mask would do a lot to help the issue but people aren’t willing to do that anymore.", ">\n\nWe didn't do that though. We didn't all lock down when we were supposed to. Where I work I had to go in from the very start all the way through. Most people, the majority of people, didn't stay home even if they didn't have work. Most people didn't fuck with masks or keeping a distance, and even people who weren't antivaccers didn't take the vaccine seriously for the longest time. \nWe had no fucking lock down, unless you were a well-off celebrity or comedian who wanted to talk about being locked down for content. \nIf people legit locked down, they would have taken a small hit financially, but too many people didn't do shit and prolonged everything.", ">\n\nThe things is that it doesn't take long to drain peoples saving - becuase the overwhelming majority of people have practically none. \nSo an extended lockdown was never feasible unless the government was willing to pay several trillion dollars of expenses, not just 2 or 3 times but several times over.", ">\n\nI didn't dispute any of what you said. I pointed out that most people actively contested any safety measure and most people didn't actually lock down. Any extension will almost certainly be the fault of most of those people. \nI'd gladly let them all die if it meant the few people who did take things seriously didn't have to live through a Walking Dead scenario or have to take a huge financial hit because them.", ">\n\nMost people did lock down just fine initially. After a few weeks turned into a month or more, yeah people got testy.\nAdditionally, a gigantic amount of people work in critical industries and simply cant stay home. Just keeping the lights and water on requires tens of millions of workers, plus industries like plants and refineries that simply cannot shut down without massive long-term consequences.\nReddit is full of office people who can WFH, the vast majority of people cant.", ">\n\nI was one of those who couldn't stay home. Right out of the gate most people gave up on almost all of it except when they were making a show of complying when they had to. There was a lot of cheating. I walk through a lot of different areas. The waves of patients and bodies we got at work tracked with that and became predictable.", ">\n\nWhat’s that saying that ends with ”…doomed to repeat it?”", ">\n\nWhy not just require a negative test from everyone?", ">\n\nWho would you expect to pay for that?", ">\n\nGovernments or sponsors from the private sector ideally, I honestly don’t give a fuck. I’ve gotten many free tests from both and I’ve also bought some for like $8.", ">\n\n“Here we go again” from everyone in the comments. \nThe virus never stopped, we did.", ">\n\nVirus will always be there. Permanent restrictions are unsustainable", ">\n\n3 years later...\nIs this permanent?", ">\n\nI doubt there's anything that would make Republicans running in 2024 happier then Democrats advocating for a return to COVID restrictions.", ">\n\nRight? It’d be like the democrats fighting for gun control, or gay and trans rights, or safe and legal abortions. It would be political suicide to stand for something that Republicans don’t like!", ">\n\nMy understanding is that everything you listed is broadly popular or has at least a majority of American's in favor of it. A return to COVID restrictions is not in that category.", ">\n\nGun control isn’t even universally loved amongst the American left, as the hard left needs them for protection from the hard right they clash with, and the middle left does like having their guns taken as much as any middle right wing does, only mid left likes it", ">\n\nGallup has 57% of Americans feeling that in general gun laws should be more strict.", ">\n\nRegular people want kids to stop dying while in school. The problem is \"stricter laws\" is vague and no one can agree on what it means or give a serious proposal that would work, short of confiscation and bans, which are wildly unpopular.", ">\n\nVague political talking points is the best we’re going to get. Much as I’d love a Ross Perot style of breaking down every platform and promise, the general public doesn’t go for it. Buzz words are all we have the attention span for.", ">\n\nChina's COVID-19 surge raises odds of new coronavirus variants\nThings could get very ugly.", ">\n\nYou say this like covid hasn't been spreading rampantly through literally every country on the planet, mostly without any measures to stop the spread. Why does China get a different treatment and maybe countries should require tests from the US or Inida or Europe?", ">\n\nI agree. US was primarily the culprit of why COVID went rampant to begin with. We actively refused to enforce any sort of safety measures, just a mild suggestion of \"maybe wear a mask, if you want to, it's ok if you don't\" and \"we have vaccines if you want one, no pressure tho\". That was really our response to the world's deadliest pandemic.", ">\n\nWe actively made fun of zero covid approaches on reddit and now based on the comments on this thread we are suddenly pro “zero covid” approaches", ">\n\nEveryone finally watched contagion", ">\n\nSo far my 2023 bingo card is reading alooot of skull and crossbones, I think I might actually win at something next year, what does your score card look like?", ">\n\nWhen’s that $1200 going to hit my account?", ">\n\nI’m still living off mine from last time!", ">\n\nI’m still looking for mine", ">\n\nI’m waiting for that $600 bucks from Biden still, but that’s going right into my retirement!", ">\n\nYou dont get he meant to include any money you already received as well /s", ">\n\nI seem to remember campaign ads with $2000 checks.", ">\n\nYep they explicitly mentioned $2,000 checks.", ">\n\nMy comment was sarcasm but in retrospect there are so many neoliberals saying that word for word in all seriousness that I should and will add a sarcasm tag", ">\n\nThat's nice and all, but let's not act like we're not just ignoring our own COVID problems.", ">\n\n\n\"You don't have zero tolerance anymore? We can't tolerate that.\"\n\n- Country with 100% tolerance", ">\n\nWhy not require a negative COVID test from everyone entering the country? It’s like they don’t want COVID to be under control.", ">\n\nI think this is because China has a relatively low vaccination rate because they relied on lock downs. Now that lock downs are being ramped down, they are having a huge surge.", ">\n\nThe vaccination rate in China is considerably higher than the US (92% vs 81%). This is just another example of yellow peril", ">\n\nThank you for pointing this out. What I said above was wrong about the vaccination rate. I don’t know why exactly China is having a surge. 🤷‍♂️", ">\n\nTheir vaccination rate is high but their vaccine, SinoVac is based on old tech. It conveys effectively zero protection from variants when compared to all the other types of vaccines on the market.", ">\n\nYou guys are so full of shit. At 3 doses Sinovac gives the same protection as any western vaccine with boosters to help mitigate mutated variants. Stop spreading misinfo.", ">\n\n\"Does that thumbnail of someone getting tested read too much like 'screaming uselessly into the void'?\"\n\"I'm sure it'll be fine.\"", ">\n\nMaybe, just maybe they shouldnt have stopped testing airplane passengers in the first place... \nWe have cheap, readily available tests that take 10 minutes to complete. There’s really no reason not to test ever passenger before boarding...", ">\n\nEveryone I know who had Omicron tested negative until their symptoms cleared. It was evading the RATs, for some reason.", ">\n\nI tested positive on a rapid test two days after getting congested. Every teacher coworker of mine who bothered to test after getting cold symptoms also did. I think it's why so few parents now test their kids before sending time to school sick. They don't want to know so we all find out when we or our family members then test positive, missing work on their sick kids' behalf so they didn't have to. \nI have also heard the rapid test can give false negatives but anecdotal references don't mean much.", ">\n\nA day late and a dollar short. Same old song and dance.", ">\n\nWow, it’s like history literally repeating itself.", ">\n\nIndeed it is. I hope everyone is prepared for what’s next.", ">\n\nWe should require negative COVID tests for people to fly within the US, too.\nIt makes no difference to me if the person who infects me at LAX is coming in from China, or from Texas.", ">\n\nThere is a high chance anyone that comes from China has Covid right now. Low chance that someone inside America has.", ">\n\nNaw. China’s percent is much higher, sure, but it’s not like US infection rates are low. You can pretty much guarantee an infected American on every sold out domestic flight. The latest variants are super, super contagious, and it only takes one infected person to pose a serious risk to the other people sharing their space, and then all of their families and friends after they land. All flights should still require testing and masking at this point, or all we’ve really accomplished is pacifying the dimwits and xenophobes.\nI know at least 3 people who 100% contracted COVID while flying domestically in the US this last month - because they were isolated for the incubation period beforehand. They were masked the entire time they were in the airport and on the plane.", ">\n\nIf they were masked up and I assume vaccinated and still caught the virus then preventable measures like these aren’t that effective.", ">\n\nIs there a new strain of Covid that isn't in the U.S yet, otherwise what's the point.", ">\n\nUm testing should not ever stop.", ">\n\nAh shit here we go again", ">\n\n\"Who left the fridge open?\"", ">\n\nIt's \"just a cold\" unless it's a non-white person from another country carrying it.\n/s", ">\n\nChina implemented an ineffective vaccine and had 30m+ cases in one day. It’s specifically that gov. refusing to use effective vaccines", ">\n\nAnd the United States had effective vaccines that half the country is not willing to nor willing to wear masks, while complaining to other countries like China about their travel restrictions (from China and Hong Kong). And honestly I’m not oppose to a tighter restriction on China while they are experiencing a surge in new cases just as it did with any other countries that initially loosen covid restrictions, what makes me question this being race or politically motivated is the hypocrisy; people complained about China being oppressive when it was enforcing all the covid restrictions and when they loosen it “China doesn’t care about human lives”.\nSo what exactly do you want them to do?", ">\n\n\nto Require Negative Covid Tests for Travelers From China\n\nLuckily China is well known for its systemic unwillingness to fake or counterfeit things, so everything should be fine.\nhonest.", ">\n\nSeems purely retaliatory with no actual effectiveness.\nEnforcement is over a week away and presumably China has hit its peak already (flights being 40% positive)", ">\n\nThe rich rats are going to buy fake tests and jump ship breaking quarantine just like they did in the first wave. Cutting flights or enforcing quarantines is the only way to prevent this stuff from jumping oceans but god forbid anybody inhibit the jet setters.", ">\n\nHALF of the passengers on a plane from China going to Italy tested positive the other day (tested on arrival). Chances are most if not all of them had negative test results they could show that they took before they left. This won't do anything to stop people coming into the US while positive..we are going to have to go through this all over again and we won't have the same somewhat cooperative response in the US this time if it is a variant that evades immunity... It will get REALLY bad.", ">\n\nSeriously they know red states will just let them in and will never do another shut down again. So start dealt with out break countries this way to slow it down or corner it. But I see very very bad days ahead for China and Russia is starting to report out breaks too.", ">\n\nMust. When?", ">\n\nWe already require this from canada iirc\nEdit: i was wrong, canada requires it from us.", ">\n\nI hope we are talking PCR tests... those store-bought 15-minute ones struggle to get a positive if you have any sort of vaccination, even while symptomatic and miserable.", ">\n\nWell, a little bit of good news. I'll take it.", ">\n\nTravel should have been 100$ restricted a long time ago. Travel should be restricted to any country experiencing a COVID outbreak.", ">\n\nWonderful. Another round of Asian hating.", ">\n\nWho's hating on Asians? We're trying to stop this virus from killing people.", ">\n\nor… ban flights from china??", ">\n\nDoesn’t make sense in singling out China when covid is widespread in every single country", ">\n\nThe extent of covid in china atm is just absurd. Two weeks ago, they had 37 MILLION cases in one day. Think about that. Thats more people than a lot of countries! \nsource", ">\n\nI wonder why China has so much trouble with COVID compared to other countries, despite being so strict.", ">\n\nIt’s because they had the zero covid approaches that people are advocating for in this thread and they suddenly reversed course. Everyone in China is getting it so fast its likely the same variants quickly spreading in a population that suddenly reversed course. Having many people getting it over time and exposed to new generations of the virus (which is what happens over time) is more insidious but people here think thats fine", ">\n\nEveryone saying this is racist, do not pay attention to the world", ">\n\nIt was called racist and xenophobic when Trump did it. The left are hypocritical emotional wrecks.", ">\n\nnah trump was racist or did you forget he called it the “china virus” and subsequent hate crimes increased against adians", ">\n\nLet’s not change the subject. We’re talking about testing travelers from China here. Always trying to deflect.", ">\n\nIs that what he did, though? That and nothing else? This is a Fox News headline, but I bet there's a lot more to it. There usually is.\nFYI, Italy is also requiring testing of travelers from China at this time.\nBecause of the high number of cases in China at this time.", ">\n\nSo many dumb replies here. I am sad about where humankind is at.", ">\n\nRound two people", ">\n\nWe need to ramp up testing again at border.", ">\n\nChina trying to stop Covid…lol! Fail miserably at that, build a huge infected population, then unleash it on the world. Great job China /s", ">\n\nSell then the Moderna vaccine so they can treat themselves, ans end this debacle.", ">\n\nEven if US send Moderna and Phizer vaccine, China will not use it, because they boast about \"superior\" Chinese vaccine and don't want to lose face.\n​\nUntil they change their attitude, I suggest keeping restriction in place for PRC travelers.", ">\n\nOh definitely.", ">\n\nCCP exporting covid again.", ">\n\nPaywall - can anyone help me read the article? It sounds great in theory but why wait so long? That’s how this all started in 2020. Test now!", ">\n\nChina has been in quarantine until the protests. They have a very low of vaccinated people, so now everyone's breathing on each other's necks, squeezing in tight places and now introducing another pandemic. \nI believe a combination of everyone quarantined for too long and non vaccinated people are making this a very deadly spread.", ">\n\nTheir vaccination rate is not too bad, except among the elderly. But their vaccine was shit even before all the variants.\nThey've been trying to use lockdown to prevent spread and with the new variants that just won't work.\nSo yeah, they're pretty fucked.", ">\n\nVaccination rate is good, but the rate of people who are up to date on boosters is where they fall short even beyond just the elderly. It also doesn't help that the vaccine being used is overall less effective than the ones being used elsewhere like you said. Makes those booster shots many are lacking even more critical.", ">\n\nApparently Americans only get worried when it’s Chinese people spreading Covid as opposed to their own residents, citizens and Europeans.", ">\n\nseems xenophobic /s", ">\n\noh I'm sure conservatives will be very concerned about the \"freedoms\" of those travelers from China", ">\n\nHow's this going to work for the 75% of all our manufactured goods coming in from China?", ">\n\nThank God Biden is doing this if it was Trump they call him racist .", ">\n\nTrump admin did this and it was hailed as a great idea, because it was. And is.\nWho tf cares who the man or president is when it comes to health? Why are some people like this?", ">\n\nYou know that wasnt true.", ">\n\nWhy would they make a move that would indisputably send hundreds of thousands of infected into the wider world including those that may wind up being infected with a new variant or two? \nCan we at least conclude that China does not care about this possibility? Is that verboten to say?\nCan an axiomatically correct statement still result in a ban?", ">\n\nSounds kinda racist.", ">\n\nMakes absolute sense considering what's currently going on there. Canada should do the same. I'll even go as far as say suspend visas / entry from that part of the world temporarily, until they can get it under control", ">\n\nMakes sense. China is exploding with covid and who knows if/when the next bad variant develops there.", ">\n\nLmao Reddit enjoying their shut in lives so much I’d rather jump off the tallest bridge near me before going into lockdowns again.", ">\n\nXenophobia", ">\n\nXenophobic Biden", ">\n\nPeople are acting like Covid stopped spreading in the US… The US just decided to ignore it, that is until China gained more cases, and now it’s back to fear mongering Chinese people. I see that xenophobia is still alive and well in the US.", ">\n\nMy family and I caught covid during Thanksgiving after being careful for two years. Fortunately, we're all vaccinated so the symptoms didn't hit us too hard. We just got lax with being careful, but we'll probably be wearing our masks in crowded places just to be safe.", ">\n\nI never stopped wearing masks in the US while going to stores. The reality is we have had waves of Covid here in the US, and we have had different mutations of variants too." ]
> This applies to anyone traveling from China, not just the Chinese.
[ "People from China will travel through Europe and come in to America from the east coast like they did when the pandemic started. This will do nothing if all travelers aboard aren’t made to test.", ">\n\nLet's hope EU and other countries do the same.", ">\n\nI don't know if they will. Australia (for example) had some of the toughest Covid policies and they've essentially just thrown them all out the window.\nSo I don't know how willing countries are to go back to being overly concerned about Covid.", ">\n\nThey should be concerned w chinese, it's spreading like wildfire in china. If we aren't careful, they will come out w covid 20.", ">\n\nIt’s spreading everywhere including the USA. This policy has nothing to do with science or medicine. It’s just politics.", ">\n\nNo. It’s circulating like mad in a population of 1 billion people who haven’t been exposed before. This is how new variants come about. Every country should require negative Covid test for china at least until it cycles through the population", ">\n\n\nNo. It’s circulating like mad in a population of 1 billion people who haven’t been exposed before.\n\nIt's also spreading like mad in all the countries of the world including the USA.\n\nThis is how new variants come about. \n\nAnd they have been for years now.\n\nEvery country should require negative Covid test for china at least until it cycles through the population\n\nOnly for political reasons. There is no scientific or rational demand for this. \nI get it, you hate china, most americans hate china so just be honest and say what you really mean.", ">\n\nStrains are spreading in the west yes, but there are new strains in China that are spreading and we don't know if our vaccines will work with those strains. We know the Chinese vaccines have a low efficacy rate and we know they are not mRNA vaccines which allow for easier adaptation to new strains. Making travelers with a Chinese passport take Covid tests at any and all airports is not racist or even unfair - a reminder that China has been relatively hard to travel to for the last 2 years because they were locked down to foreign travel as well. This is simply good policy from a public health measure, and you not wanting to see that for what it is and instead attribute it to a nascent American hatred for China is laughable. the World Health Organization estimated close to 800 million new cases in China in the next few months, with another estimate 4 million deaths and countless new strains coming out during that period. This is about protection populations, not punishing China.", ">\n\n\nStrains are spreading in the west yes, but there are new strains in China that are spreading and we don't know if our vaccines will work with those strains.\n\nYou don't know if vaccines work against any new variant even if that variant is from a country populated with white people.\n\nWe know the Chinese vaccines have a low efficacy rate and we know they are not mRNA vaccines which allow for easier adaptation to new strains. \n\nThe vaccine doesn't adapt once inside of your body you know that right?\n\nMaking travelers with a Chinese passport take Covid tests at any and all airports is not racist or even unfair \n\nit's definitely unfair and probably racist as well.\n\nhis is simply good policy from a public health measure, a\n\nA good policy would be to require vaccinations from everybody. Think about it, you are requiring a vaccine that you said doesn't even work. How much sense does that make?\n\nattribute it to a nascent American hatred for China is laughable.\n\nNascent?\n\nThis is about protection populations, not punishing China.\n\nIt's definitely about punishing china, it's a part of the current cold war with China conducted by the USA.", ">\n\n\nYou don't know if vaccines work against any new variant even if that variant is from a country populated with white people.\n\nAll the more reason to not invite more new strains into the country. White population or otherwise has nothing to do with it, expected rise in cases in China does.\n\nThe vaccine doesn't adapt once inside of your body you know that right?\n\nYou missed the point. The point i was making was that the Chinese medical system has not even approached Covid with an mRNA vaccine, and steadfastly refused to license western vaccines. If the vaccine most readily available in China has a 50% efficacy then the population is at more risk of contracting the virus and having negative results. The infection rates are increased with each new case of BA.7 (China is currently seeing each covid patient infecting on average 18 other people represented as 1:18, whereas the in US the rate is 1:3.9). Each of these factors increases the risk of developing new strains that are vaccine resistant. \n\nit's definitely unfair and probably racist as well\n\nIs it your position that nations cannot take any prescriptive action to prevent the spread of infected persons from other countries? Again i would remind you that China has basically been locked down for the last 2 years, with severe limitations to personal freedoms themselves. This is not based on race, but rather a government's inability to contain a contagious outbreak in their own country and not wanting it to spread. \n\nA good policy would be to require vaccinations from everybody. Think about it, you are requiring a vaccine that you said doesn't even work. How much sense does that make?\n\nThat might be your definition on good policy, but it isn't mine and that isn't how the west does it. \"I\" am not requiring a vaccine that \"I\" said doesn't work - that was your suggestion not mine. Also, i said the efficacy of the Chinese vaccine is 50% - based on available information - i never said it didn't work, and i never said that it should be mandatory or required.\n\nNascent?\n\nPoor and wrong word choice on my part it seems. What i meant was ascribing the US decision to require testing of Chinese travelers to racism because you believe that the US is racist is laughable. Taking a test to prove that you are covid negative is far less onerous on a traveler than most visa requirements.\n\nIt's definitely about punishing china, it's a part of the current cold war with China conducted by the USA.\n\nCite your sources. I could point to many Chinese government policies that i could say are part of the current cold war with the US without backing it up and it would be just as credible as what you said. Opinion is not a source, and not proof. You assume that the US government is racist, that this policy is racist and yet we have had travel bans imposed on other countries, as well as testing required for travelers from other countries imposed before, and other policies and so has China. For goodness sake China has been closed to foreigners for almost 3 years, and is still closed to foreign travel until January 2023. Is that a racist policy as well?", ">\n\nHere we go again.\nThis time I think I'll learn French cooking.", ">\n\n5000 People a day will have to die before Anybody says the word Lock down in the States ever again.", ">\n\nDon’t understand why people can’t handle staying at home for two weeks when it could potentially eradicate a deadly virus. Are we that weak?", ">\n\nWe did that in large part in March 2020. And did China not spend years locking down their citizens? \nPeoples savings are gone. They need to work. \nWearing a mask would do a lot to help the issue but people aren’t willing to do that anymore.", ">\n\nWe didn't do that though. We didn't all lock down when we were supposed to. Where I work I had to go in from the very start all the way through. Most people, the majority of people, didn't stay home even if they didn't have work. Most people didn't fuck with masks or keeping a distance, and even people who weren't antivaccers didn't take the vaccine seriously for the longest time. \nWe had no fucking lock down, unless you were a well-off celebrity or comedian who wanted to talk about being locked down for content. \nIf people legit locked down, they would have taken a small hit financially, but too many people didn't do shit and prolonged everything.", ">\n\nThe things is that it doesn't take long to drain peoples saving - becuase the overwhelming majority of people have practically none. \nSo an extended lockdown was never feasible unless the government was willing to pay several trillion dollars of expenses, not just 2 or 3 times but several times over.", ">\n\nI didn't dispute any of what you said. I pointed out that most people actively contested any safety measure and most people didn't actually lock down. Any extension will almost certainly be the fault of most of those people. \nI'd gladly let them all die if it meant the few people who did take things seriously didn't have to live through a Walking Dead scenario or have to take a huge financial hit because them.", ">\n\nMost people did lock down just fine initially. After a few weeks turned into a month or more, yeah people got testy.\nAdditionally, a gigantic amount of people work in critical industries and simply cant stay home. Just keeping the lights and water on requires tens of millions of workers, plus industries like plants and refineries that simply cannot shut down without massive long-term consequences.\nReddit is full of office people who can WFH, the vast majority of people cant.", ">\n\nI was one of those who couldn't stay home. Right out of the gate most people gave up on almost all of it except when they were making a show of complying when they had to. There was a lot of cheating. I walk through a lot of different areas. The waves of patients and bodies we got at work tracked with that and became predictable.", ">\n\nWhat’s that saying that ends with ”…doomed to repeat it?”", ">\n\nWhy not just require a negative test from everyone?", ">\n\nWho would you expect to pay for that?", ">\n\nGovernments or sponsors from the private sector ideally, I honestly don’t give a fuck. I’ve gotten many free tests from both and I’ve also bought some for like $8.", ">\n\n“Here we go again” from everyone in the comments. \nThe virus never stopped, we did.", ">\n\nVirus will always be there. Permanent restrictions are unsustainable", ">\n\n3 years later...\nIs this permanent?", ">\n\nI doubt there's anything that would make Republicans running in 2024 happier then Democrats advocating for a return to COVID restrictions.", ">\n\nRight? It’d be like the democrats fighting for gun control, or gay and trans rights, or safe and legal abortions. It would be political suicide to stand for something that Republicans don’t like!", ">\n\nMy understanding is that everything you listed is broadly popular or has at least a majority of American's in favor of it. A return to COVID restrictions is not in that category.", ">\n\nGun control isn’t even universally loved amongst the American left, as the hard left needs them for protection from the hard right they clash with, and the middle left does like having their guns taken as much as any middle right wing does, only mid left likes it", ">\n\nGallup has 57% of Americans feeling that in general gun laws should be more strict.", ">\n\nRegular people want kids to stop dying while in school. The problem is \"stricter laws\" is vague and no one can agree on what it means or give a serious proposal that would work, short of confiscation and bans, which are wildly unpopular.", ">\n\nVague political talking points is the best we’re going to get. Much as I’d love a Ross Perot style of breaking down every platform and promise, the general public doesn’t go for it. Buzz words are all we have the attention span for.", ">\n\nChina's COVID-19 surge raises odds of new coronavirus variants\nThings could get very ugly.", ">\n\nYou say this like covid hasn't been spreading rampantly through literally every country on the planet, mostly without any measures to stop the spread. Why does China get a different treatment and maybe countries should require tests from the US or Inida or Europe?", ">\n\nI agree. US was primarily the culprit of why COVID went rampant to begin with. We actively refused to enforce any sort of safety measures, just a mild suggestion of \"maybe wear a mask, if you want to, it's ok if you don't\" and \"we have vaccines if you want one, no pressure tho\". That was really our response to the world's deadliest pandemic.", ">\n\nWe actively made fun of zero covid approaches on reddit and now based on the comments on this thread we are suddenly pro “zero covid” approaches", ">\n\nEveryone finally watched contagion", ">\n\nSo far my 2023 bingo card is reading alooot of skull and crossbones, I think I might actually win at something next year, what does your score card look like?", ">\n\nWhen’s that $1200 going to hit my account?", ">\n\nI’m still living off mine from last time!", ">\n\nI’m still looking for mine", ">\n\nI’m waiting for that $600 bucks from Biden still, but that’s going right into my retirement!", ">\n\nYou dont get he meant to include any money you already received as well /s", ">\n\nI seem to remember campaign ads with $2000 checks.", ">\n\nYep they explicitly mentioned $2,000 checks.", ">\n\nMy comment was sarcasm but in retrospect there are so many neoliberals saying that word for word in all seriousness that I should and will add a sarcasm tag", ">\n\nThat's nice and all, but let's not act like we're not just ignoring our own COVID problems.", ">\n\n\n\"You don't have zero tolerance anymore? We can't tolerate that.\"\n\n- Country with 100% tolerance", ">\n\nWhy not require a negative COVID test from everyone entering the country? It’s like they don’t want COVID to be under control.", ">\n\nI think this is because China has a relatively low vaccination rate because they relied on lock downs. Now that lock downs are being ramped down, they are having a huge surge.", ">\n\nThe vaccination rate in China is considerably higher than the US (92% vs 81%). This is just another example of yellow peril", ">\n\nThank you for pointing this out. What I said above was wrong about the vaccination rate. I don’t know why exactly China is having a surge. 🤷‍♂️", ">\n\nTheir vaccination rate is high but their vaccine, SinoVac is based on old tech. It conveys effectively zero protection from variants when compared to all the other types of vaccines on the market.", ">\n\nYou guys are so full of shit. At 3 doses Sinovac gives the same protection as any western vaccine with boosters to help mitigate mutated variants. Stop spreading misinfo.", ">\n\n\"Does that thumbnail of someone getting tested read too much like 'screaming uselessly into the void'?\"\n\"I'm sure it'll be fine.\"", ">\n\nMaybe, just maybe they shouldnt have stopped testing airplane passengers in the first place... \nWe have cheap, readily available tests that take 10 minutes to complete. There’s really no reason not to test ever passenger before boarding...", ">\n\nEveryone I know who had Omicron tested negative until their symptoms cleared. It was evading the RATs, for some reason.", ">\n\nI tested positive on a rapid test two days after getting congested. Every teacher coworker of mine who bothered to test after getting cold symptoms also did. I think it's why so few parents now test their kids before sending time to school sick. They don't want to know so we all find out when we or our family members then test positive, missing work on their sick kids' behalf so they didn't have to. \nI have also heard the rapid test can give false negatives but anecdotal references don't mean much.", ">\n\nA day late and a dollar short. Same old song and dance.", ">\n\nWow, it’s like history literally repeating itself.", ">\n\nIndeed it is. I hope everyone is prepared for what’s next.", ">\n\nWe should require negative COVID tests for people to fly within the US, too.\nIt makes no difference to me if the person who infects me at LAX is coming in from China, or from Texas.", ">\n\nThere is a high chance anyone that comes from China has Covid right now. Low chance that someone inside America has.", ">\n\nNaw. China’s percent is much higher, sure, but it’s not like US infection rates are low. You can pretty much guarantee an infected American on every sold out domestic flight. The latest variants are super, super contagious, and it only takes one infected person to pose a serious risk to the other people sharing their space, and then all of their families and friends after they land. All flights should still require testing and masking at this point, or all we’ve really accomplished is pacifying the dimwits and xenophobes.\nI know at least 3 people who 100% contracted COVID while flying domestically in the US this last month - because they were isolated for the incubation period beforehand. They were masked the entire time they were in the airport and on the plane.", ">\n\nIf they were masked up and I assume vaccinated and still caught the virus then preventable measures like these aren’t that effective.", ">\n\nIs there a new strain of Covid that isn't in the U.S yet, otherwise what's the point.", ">\n\nUm testing should not ever stop.", ">\n\nAh shit here we go again", ">\n\n\"Who left the fridge open?\"", ">\n\nIt's \"just a cold\" unless it's a non-white person from another country carrying it.\n/s", ">\n\nChina implemented an ineffective vaccine and had 30m+ cases in one day. It’s specifically that gov. refusing to use effective vaccines", ">\n\nAnd the United States had effective vaccines that half the country is not willing to nor willing to wear masks, while complaining to other countries like China about their travel restrictions (from China and Hong Kong). And honestly I’m not oppose to a tighter restriction on China while they are experiencing a surge in new cases just as it did with any other countries that initially loosen covid restrictions, what makes me question this being race or politically motivated is the hypocrisy; people complained about China being oppressive when it was enforcing all the covid restrictions and when they loosen it “China doesn’t care about human lives”.\nSo what exactly do you want them to do?", ">\n\n\nto Require Negative Covid Tests for Travelers From China\n\nLuckily China is well known for its systemic unwillingness to fake or counterfeit things, so everything should be fine.\nhonest.", ">\n\nSeems purely retaliatory with no actual effectiveness.\nEnforcement is over a week away and presumably China has hit its peak already (flights being 40% positive)", ">\n\nThe rich rats are going to buy fake tests and jump ship breaking quarantine just like they did in the first wave. Cutting flights or enforcing quarantines is the only way to prevent this stuff from jumping oceans but god forbid anybody inhibit the jet setters.", ">\n\nHALF of the passengers on a plane from China going to Italy tested positive the other day (tested on arrival). Chances are most if not all of them had negative test results they could show that they took before they left. This won't do anything to stop people coming into the US while positive..we are going to have to go through this all over again and we won't have the same somewhat cooperative response in the US this time if it is a variant that evades immunity... It will get REALLY bad.", ">\n\nSeriously they know red states will just let them in and will never do another shut down again. So start dealt with out break countries this way to slow it down or corner it. But I see very very bad days ahead for China and Russia is starting to report out breaks too.", ">\n\nMust. When?", ">\n\nWe already require this from canada iirc\nEdit: i was wrong, canada requires it from us.", ">\n\nI hope we are talking PCR tests... those store-bought 15-minute ones struggle to get a positive if you have any sort of vaccination, even while symptomatic and miserable.", ">\n\nWell, a little bit of good news. I'll take it.", ">\n\nTravel should have been 100$ restricted a long time ago. Travel should be restricted to any country experiencing a COVID outbreak.", ">\n\nWonderful. Another round of Asian hating.", ">\n\nWho's hating on Asians? We're trying to stop this virus from killing people.", ">\n\nor… ban flights from china??", ">\n\nDoesn’t make sense in singling out China when covid is widespread in every single country", ">\n\nThe extent of covid in china atm is just absurd. Two weeks ago, they had 37 MILLION cases in one day. Think about that. Thats more people than a lot of countries! \nsource", ">\n\nI wonder why China has so much trouble with COVID compared to other countries, despite being so strict.", ">\n\nIt’s because they had the zero covid approaches that people are advocating for in this thread and they suddenly reversed course. Everyone in China is getting it so fast its likely the same variants quickly spreading in a population that suddenly reversed course. Having many people getting it over time and exposed to new generations of the virus (which is what happens over time) is more insidious but people here think thats fine", ">\n\nEveryone saying this is racist, do not pay attention to the world", ">\n\nIt was called racist and xenophobic when Trump did it. The left are hypocritical emotional wrecks.", ">\n\nnah trump was racist or did you forget he called it the “china virus” and subsequent hate crimes increased against adians", ">\n\nLet’s not change the subject. We’re talking about testing travelers from China here. Always trying to deflect.", ">\n\nIs that what he did, though? That and nothing else? This is a Fox News headline, but I bet there's a lot more to it. There usually is.\nFYI, Italy is also requiring testing of travelers from China at this time.\nBecause of the high number of cases in China at this time.", ">\n\nSo many dumb replies here. I am sad about where humankind is at.", ">\n\nRound two people", ">\n\nWe need to ramp up testing again at border.", ">\n\nChina trying to stop Covid…lol! Fail miserably at that, build a huge infected population, then unleash it on the world. Great job China /s", ">\n\nSell then the Moderna vaccine so they can treat themselves, ans end this debacle.", ">\n\nEven if US send Moderna and Phizer vaccine, China will not use it, because they boast about \"superior\" Chinese vaccine and don't want to lose face.\n​\nUntil they change their attitude, I suggest keeping restriction in place for PRC travelers.", ">\n\nOh definitely.", ">\n\nCCP exporting covid again.", ">\n\nPaywall - can anyone help me read the article? It sounds great in theory but why wait so long? That’s how this all started in 2020. Test now!", ">\n\nChina has been in quarantine until the protests. They have a very low of vaccinated people, so now everyone's breathing on each other's necks, squeezing in tight places and now introducing another pandemic. \nI believe a combination of everyone quarantined for too long and non vaccinated people are making this a very deadly spread.", ">\n\nTheir vaccination rate is not too bad, except among the elderly. But their vaccine was shit even before all the variants.\nThey've been trying to use lockdown to prevent spread and with the new variants that just won't work.\nSo yeah, they're pretty fucked.", ">\n\nVaccination rate is good, but the rate of people who are up to date on boosters is where they fall short even beyond just the elderly. It also doesn't help that the vaccine being used is overall less effective than the ones being used elsewhere like you said. Makes those booster shots many are lacking even more critical.", ">\n\nApparently Americans only get worried when it’s Chinese people spreading Covid as opposed to their own residents, citizens and Europeans.", ">\n\nseems xenophobic /s", ">\n\noh I'm sure conservatives will be very concerned about the \"freedoms\" of those travelers from China", ">\n\nHow's this going to work for the 75% of all our manufactured goods coming in from China?", ">\n\nThank God Biden is doing this if it was Trump they call him racist .", ">\n\nTrump admin did this and it was hailed as a great idea, because it was. And is.\nWho tf cares who the man or president is when it comes to health? Why are some people like this?", ">\n\nYou know that wasnt true.", ">\n\nWhy would they make a move that would indisputably send hundreds of thousands of infected into the wider world including those that may wind up being infected with a new variant or two? \nCan we at least conclude that China does not care about this possibility? Is that verboten to say?\nCan an axiomatically correct statement still result in a ban?", ">\n\nSounds kinda racist.", ">\n\nMakes absolute sense considering what's currently going on there. Canada should do the same. I'll even go as far as say suspend visas / entry from that part of the world temporarily, until they can get it under control", ">\n\nMakes sense. China is exploding with covid and who knows if/when the next bad variant develops there.", ">\n\nLmao Reddit enjoying their shut in lives so much I’d rather jump off the tallest bridge near me before going into lockdowns again.", ">\n\nXenophobia", ">\n\nXenophobic Biden", ">\n\nPeople are acting like Covid stopped spreading in the US… The US just decided to ignore it, that is until China gained more cases, and now it’s back to fear mongering Chinese people. I see that xenophobia is still alive and well in the US.", ">\n\nMy family and I caught covid during Thanksgiving after being careful for two years. Fortunately, we're all vaccinated so the symptoms didn't hit us too hard. We just got lax with being careful, but we'll probably be wearing our masks in crowded places just to be safe.", ">\n\nI never stopped wearing masks in the US while going to stores. The reality is we have had waves of Covid here in the US, and we have had different mutations of variants too.", ">\n\nThats racist. Biden should be ashamed of himself for allowing such bigotry and hatred towards our Chinese brethren." ]
> I wouldn’t think another country was rascist if the USA had a huge surge and temporarily suspended flights to:from the USA until the numbers came down.
[ "People from China will travel through Europe and come in to America from the east coast like they did when the pandemic started. This will do nothing if all travelers aboard aren’t made to test.", ">\n\nLet's hope EU and other countries do the same.", ">\n\nI don't know if they will. Australia (for example) had some of the toughest Covid policies and they've essentially just thrown them all out the window.\nSo I don't know how willing countries are to go back to being overly concerned about Covid.", ">\n\nThey should be concerned w chinese, it's spreading like wildfire in china. If we aren't careful, they will come out w covid 20.", ">\n\nIt’s spreading everywhere including the USA. This policy has nothing to do with science or medicine. It’s just politics.", ">\n\nNo. It’s circulating like mad in a population of 1 billion people who haven’t been exposed before. This is how new variants come about. Every country should require negative Covid test for china at least until it cycles through the population", ">\n\n\nNo. It’s circulating like mad in a population of 1 billion people who haven’t been exposed before.\n\nIt's also spreading like mad in all the countries of the world including the USA.\n\nThis is how new variants come about. \n\nAnd they have been for years now.\n\nEvery country should require negative Covid test for china at least until it cycles through the population\n\nOnly for political reasons. There is no scientific or rational demand for this. \nI get it, you hate china, most americans hate china so just be honest and say what you really mean.", ">\n\nStrains are spreading in the west yes, but there are new strains in China that are spreading and we don't know if our vaccines will work with those strains. We know the Chinese vaccines have a low efficacy rate and we know they are not mRNA vaccines which allow for easier adaptation to new strains. Making travelers with a Chinese passport take Covid tests at any and all airports is not racist or even unfair - a reminder that China has been relatively hard to travel to for the last 2 years because they were locked down to foreign travel as well. This is simply good policy from a public health measure, and you not wanting to see that for what it is and instead attribute it to a nascent American hatred for China is laughable. the World Health Organization estimated close to 800 million new cases in China in the next few months, with another estimate 4 million deaths and countless new strains coming out during that period. This is about protection populations, not punishing China.", ">\n\n\nStrains are spreading in the west yes, but there are new strains in China that are spreading and we don't know if our vaccines will work with those strains.\n\nYou don't know if vaccines work against any new variant even if that variant is from a country populated with white people.\n\nWe know the Chinese vaccines have a low efficacy rate and we know they are not mRNA vaccines which allow for easier adaptation to new strains. \n\nThe vaccine doesn't adapt once inside of your body you know that right?\n\nMaking travelers with a Chinese passport take Covid tests at any and all airports is not racist or even unfair \n\nit's definitely unfair and probably racist as well.\n\nhis is simply good policy from a public health measure, a\n\nA good policy would be to require vaccinations from everybody. Think about it, you are requiring a vaccine that you said doesn't even work. How much sense does that make?\n\nattribute it to a nascent American hatred for China is laughable.\n\nNascent?\n\nThis is about protection populations, not punishing China.\n\nIt's definitely about punishing china, it's a part of the current cold war with China conducted by the USA.", ">\n\n\nYou don't know if vaccines work against any new variant even if that variant is from a country populated with white people.\n\nAll the more reason to not invite more new strains into the country. White population or otherwise has nothing to do with it, expected rise in cases in China does.\n\nThe vaccine doesn't adapt once inside of your body you know that right?\n\nYou missed the point. The point i was making was that the Chinese medical system has not even approached Covid with an mRNA vaccine, and steadfastly refused to license western vaccines. If the vaccine most readily available in China has a 50% efficacy then the population is at more risk of contracting the virus and having negative results. The infection rates are increased with each new case of BA.7 (China is currently seeing each covid patient infecting on average 18 other people represented as 1:18, whereas the in US the rate is 1:3.9). Each of these factors increases the risk of developing new strains that are vaccine resistant. \n\nit's definitely unfair and probably racist as well\n\nIs it your position that nations cannot take any prescriptive action to prevent the spread of infected persons from other countries? Again i would remind you that China has basically been locked down for the last 2 years, with severe limitations to personal freedoms themselves. This is not based on race, but rather a government's inability to contain a contagious outbreak in their own country and not wanting it to spread. \n\nA good policy would be to require vaccinations from everybody. Think about it, you are requiring a vaccine that you said doesn't even work. How much sense does that make?\n\nThat might be your definition on good policy, but it isn't mine and that isn't how the west does it. \"I\" am not requiring a vaccine that \"I\" said doesn't work - that was your suggestion not mine. Also, i said the efficacy of the Chinese vaccine is 50% - based on available information - i never said it didn't work, and i never said that it should be mandatory or required.\n\nNascent?\n\nPoor and wrong word choice on my part it seems. What i meant was ascribing the US decision to require testing of Chinese travelers to racism because you believe that the US is racist is laughable. Taking a test to prove that you are covid negative is far less onerous on a traveler than most visa requirements.\n\nIt's definitely about punishing china, it's a part of the current cold war with China conducted by the USA.\n\nCite your sources. I could point to many Chinese government policies that i could say are part of the current cold war with the US without backing it up and it would be just as credible as what you said. Opinion is not a source, and not proof. You assume that the US government is racist, that this policy is racist and yet we have had travel bans imposed on other countries, as well as testing required for travelers from other countries imposed before, and other policies and so has China. For goodness sake China has been closed to foreigners for almost 3 years, and is still closed to foreign travel until January 2023. Is that a racist policy as well?", ">\n\nHere we go again.\nThis time I think I'll learn French cooking.", ">\n\n5000 People a day will have to die before Anybody says the word Lock down in the States ever again.", ">\n\nDon’t understand why people can’t handle staying at home for two weeks when it could potentially eradicate a deadly virus. Are we that weak?", ">\n\nWe did that in large part in March 2020. And did China not spend years locking down their citizens? \nPeoples savings are gone. They need to work. \nWearing a mask would do a lot to help the issue but people aren’t willing to do that anymore.", ">\n\nWe didn't do that though. We didn't all lock down when we were supposed to. Where I work I had to go in from the very start all the way through. Most people, the majority of people, didn't stay home even if they didn't have work. Most people didn't fuck with masks or keeping a distance, and even people who weren't antivaccers didn't take the vaccine seriously for the longest time. \nWe had no fucking lock down, unless you were a well-off celebrity or comedian who wanted to talk about being locked down for content. \nIf people legit locked down, they would have taken a small hit financially, but too many people didn't do shit and prolonged everything.", ">\n\nThe things is that it doesn't take long to drain peoples saving - becuase the overwhelming majority of people have practically none. \nSo an extended lockdown was never feasible unless the government was willing to pay several trillion dollars of expenses, not just 2 or 3 times but several times over.", ">\n\nI didn't dispute any of what you said. I pointed out that most people actively contested any safety measure and most people didn't actually lock down. Any extension will almost certainly be the fault of most of those people. \nI'd gladly let them all die if it meant the few people who did take things seriously didn't have to live through a Walking Dead scenario or have to take a huge financial hit because them.", ">\n\nMost people did lock down just fine initially. After a few weeks turned into a month or more, yeah people got testy.\nAdditionally, a gigantic amount of people work in critical industries and simply cant stay home. Just keeping the lights and water on requires tens of millions of workers, plus industries like plants and refineries that simply cannot shut down without massive long-term consequences.\nReddit is full of office people who can WFH, the vast majority of people cant.", ">\n\nI was one of those who couldn't stay home. Right out of the gate most people gave up on almost all of it except when they were making a show of complying when they had to. There was a lot of cheating. I walk through a lot of different areas. The waves of patients and bodies we got at work tracked with that and became predictable.", ">\n\nWhat’s that saying that ends with ”…doomed to repeat it?”", ">\n\nWhy not just require a negative test from everyone?", ">\n\nWho would you expect to pay for that?", ">\n\nGovernments or sponsors from the private sector ideally, I honestly don’t give a fuck. I’ve gotten many free tests from both and I’ve also bought some for like $8.", ">\n\n“Here we go again” from everyone in the comments. \nThe virus never stopped, we did.", ">\n\nVirus will always be there. Permanent restrictions are unsustainable", ">\n\n3 years later...\nIs this permanent?", ">\n\nI doubt there's anything that would make Republicans running in 2024 happier then Democrats advocating for a return to COVID restrictions.", ">\n\nRight? It’d be like the democrats fighting for gun control, or gay and trans rights, or safe and legal abortions. It would be political suicide to stand for something that Republicans don’t like!", ">\n\nMy understanding is that everything you listed is broadly popular or has at least a majority of American's in favor of it. A return to COVID restrictions is not in that category.", ">\n\nGun control isn’t even universally loved amongst the American left, as the hard left needs them for protection from the hard right they clash with, and the middle left does like having their guns taken as much as any middle right wing does, only mid left likes it", ">\n\nGallup has 57% of Americans feeling that in general gun laws should be more strict.", ">\n\nRegular people want kids to stop dying while in school. The problem is \"stricter laws\" is vague and no one can agree on what it means or give a serious proposal that would work, short of confiscation and bans, which are wildly unpopular.", ">\n\nVague political talking points is the best we’re going to get. Much as I’d love a Ross Perot style of breaking down every platform and promise, the general public doesn’t go for it. Buzz words are all we have the attention span for.", ">\n\nChina's COVID-19 surge raises odds of new coronavirus variants\nThings could get very ugly.", ">\n\nYou say this like covid hasn't been spreading rampantly through literally every country on the planet, mostly without any measures to stop the spread. Why does China get a different treatment and maybe countries should require tests from the US or Inida or Europe?", ">\n\nI agree. US was primarily the culprit of why COVID went rampant to begin with. We actively refused to enforce any sort of safety measures, just a mild suggestion of \"maybe wear a mask, if you want to, it's ok if you don't\" and \"we have vaccines if you want one, no pressure tho\". That was really our response to the world's deadliest pandemic.", ">\n\nWe actively made fun of zero covid approaches on reddit and now based on the comments on this thread we are suddenly pro “zero covid” approaches", ">\n\nEveryone finally watched contagion", ">\n\nSo far my 2023 bingo card is reading alooot of skull and crossbones, I think I might actually win at something next year, what does your score card look like?", ">\n\nWhen’s that $1200 going to hit my account?", ">\n\nI’m still living off mine from last time!", ">\n\nI’m still looking for mine", ">\n\nI’m waiting for that $600 bucks from Biden still, but that’s going right into my retirement!", ">\n\nYou dont get he meant to include any money you already received as well /s", ">\n\nI seem to remember campaign ads with $2000 checks.", ">\n\nYep they explicitly mentioned $2,000 checks.", ">\n\nMy comment was sarcasm but in retrospect there are so many neoliberals saying that word for word in all seriousness that I should and will add a sarcasm tag", ">\n\nThat's nice and all, but let's not act like we're not just ignoring our own COVID problems.", ">\n\n\n\"You don't have zero tolerance anymore? We can't tolerate that.\"\n\n- Country with 100% tolerance", ">\n\nWhy not require a negative COVID test from everyone entering the country? It’s like they don’t want COVID to be under control.", ">\n\nI think this is because China has a relatively low vaccination rate because they relied on lock downs. Now that lock downs are being ramped down, they are having a huge surge.", ">\n\nThe vaccination rate in China is considerably higher than the US (92% vs 81%). This is just another example of yellow peril", ">\n\nThank you for pointing this out. What I said above was wrong about the vaccination rate. I don’t know why exactly China is having a surge. 🤷‍♂️", ">\n\nTheir vaccination rate is high but their vaccine, SinoVac is based on old tech. It conveys effectively zero protection from variants when compared to all the other types of vaccines on the market.", ">\n\nYou guys are so full of shit. At 3 doses Sinovac gives the same protection as any western vaccine with boosters to help mitigate mutated variants. Stop spreading misinfo.", ">\n\n\"Does that thumbnail of someone getting tested read too much like 'screaming uselessly into the void'?\"\n\"I'm sure it'll be fine.\"", ">\n\nMaybe, just maybe they shouldnt have stopped testing airplane passengers in the first place... \nWe have cheap, readily available tests that take 10 minutes to complete. There’s really no reason not to test ever passenger before boarding...", ">\n\nEveryone I know who had Omicron tested negative until their symptoms cleared. It was evading the RATs, for some reason.", ">\n\nI tested positive on a rapid test two days after getting congested. Every teacher coworker of mine who bothered to test after getting cold symptoms also did. I think it's why so few parents now test their kids before sending time to school sick. They don't want to know so we all find out when we or our family members then test positive, missing work on their sick kids' behalf so they didn't have to. \nI have also heard the rapid test can give false negatives but anecdotal references don't mean much.", ">\n\nA day late and a dollar short. Same old song and dance.", ">\n\nWow, it’s like history literally repeating itself.", ">\n\nIndeed it is. I hope everyone is prepared for what’s next.", ">\n\nWe should require negative COVID tests for people to fly within the US, too.\nIt makes no difference to me if the person who infects me at LAX is coming in from China, or from Texas.", ">\n\nThere is a high chance anyone that comes from China has Covid right now. Low chance that someone inside America has.", ">\n\nNaw. China’s percent is much higher, sure, but it’s not like US infection rates are low. You can pretty much guarantee an infected American on every sold out domestic flight. The latest variants are super, super contagious, and it only takes one infected person to pose a serious risk to the other people sharing their space, and then all of their families and friends after they land. All flights should still require testing and masking at this point, or all we’ve really accomplished is pacifying the dimwits and xenophobes.\nI know at least 3 people who 100% contracted COVID while flying domestically in the US this last month - because they were isolated for the incubation period beforehand. They were masked the entire time they were in the airport and on the plane.", ">\n\nIf they were masked up and I assume vaccinated and still caught the virus then preventable measures like these aren’t that effective.", ">\n\nIs there a new strain of Covid that isn't in the U.S yet, otherwise what's the point.", ">\n\nUm testing should not ever stop.", ">\n\nAh shit here we go again", ">\n\n\"Who left the fridge open?\"", ">\n\nIt's \"just a cold\" unless it's a non-white person from another country carrying it.\n/s", ">\n\nChina implemented an ineffective vaccine and had 30m+ cases in one day. It’s specifically that gov. refusing to use effective vaccines", ">\n\nAnd the United States had effective vaccines that half the country is not willing to nor willing to wear masks, while complaining to other countries like China about their travel restrictions (from China and Hong Kong). And honestly I’m not oppose to a tighter restriction on China while they are experiencing a surge in new cases just as it did with any other countries that initially loosen covid restrictions, what makes me question this being race or politically motivated is the hypocrisy; people complained about China being oppressive when it was enforcing all the covid restrictions and when they loosen it “China doesn’t care about human lives”.\nSo what exactly do you want them to do?", ">\n\n\nto Require Negative Covid Tests for Travelers From China\n\nLuckily China is well known for its systemic unwillingness to fake or counterfeit things, so everything should be fine.\nhonest.", ">\n\nSeems purely retaliatory with no actual effectiveness.\nEnforcement is over a week away and presumably China has hit its peak already (flights being 40% positive)", ">\n\nThe rich rats are going to buy fake tests and jump ship breaking quarantine just like they did in the first wave. Cutting flights or enforcing quarantines is the only way to prevent this stuff from jumping oceans but god forbid anybody inhibit the jet setters.", ">\n\nHALF of the passengers on a plane from China going to Italy tested positive the other day (tested on arrival). Chances are most if not all of them had negative test results they could show that they took before they left. This won't do anything to stop people coming into the US while positive..we are going to have to go through this all over again and we won't have the same somewhat cooperative response in the US this time if it is a variant that evades immunity... It will get REALLY bad.", ">\n\nSeriously they know red states will just let them in and will never do another shut down again. So start dealt with out break countries this way to slow it down or corner it. But I see very very bad days ahead for China and Russia is starting to report out breaks too.", ">\n\nMust. When?", ">\n\nWe already require this from canada iirc\nEdit: i was wrong, canada requires it from us.", ">\n\nI hope we are talking PCR tests... those store-bought 15-minute ones struggle to get a positive if you have any sort of vaccination, even while symptomatic and miserable.", ">\n\nWell, a little bit of good news. I'll take it.", ">\n\nTravel should have been 100$ restricted a long time ago. Travel should be restricted to any country experiencing a COVID outbreak.", ">\n\nWonderful. Another round of Asian hating.", ">\n\nWho's hating on Asians? We're trying to stop this virus from killing people.", ">\n\nor… ban flights from china??", ">\n\nDoesn’t make sense in singling out China when covid is widespread in every single country", ">\n\nThe extent of covid in china atm is just absurd. Two weeks ago, they had 37 MILLION cases in one day. Think about that. Thats more people than a lot of countries! \nsource", ">\n\nI wonder why China has so much trouble with COVID compared to other countries, despite being so strict.", ">\n\nIt’s because they had the zero covid approaches that people are advocating for in this thread and they suddenly reversed course. Everyone in China is getting it so fast its likely the same variants quickly spreading in a population that suddenly reversed course. Having many people getting it over time and exposed to new generations of the virus (which is what happens over time) is more insidious but people here think thats fine", ">\n\nEveryone saying this is racist, do not pay attention to the world", ">\n\nIt was called racist and xenophobic when Trump did it. The left are hypocritical emotional wrecks.", ">\n\nnah trump was racist or did you forget he called it the “china virus” and subsequent hate crimes increased against adians", ">\n\nLet’s not change the subject. We’re talking about testing travelers from China here. Always trying to deflect.", ">\n\nIs that what he did, though? That and nothing else? This is a Fox News headline, but I bet there's a lot more to it. There usually is.\nFYI, Italy is also requiring testing of travelers from China at this time.\nBecause of the high number of cases in China at this time.", ">\n\nSo many dumb replies here. I am sad about where humankind is at.", ">\n\nRound two people", ">\n\nWe need to ramp up testing again at border.", ">\n\nChina trying to stop Covid…lol! Fail miserably at that, build a huge infected population, then unleash it on the world. Great job China /s", ">\n\nSell then the Moderna vaccine so they can treat themselves, ans end this debacle.", ">\n\nEven if US send Moderna and Phizer vaccine, China will not use it, because they boast about \"superior\" Chinese vaccine and don't want to lose face.\n​\nUntil they change their attitude, I suggest keeping restriction in place for PRC travelers.", ">\n\nOh definitely.", ">\n\nCCP exporting covid again.", ">\n\nPaywall - can anyone help me read the article? It sounds great in theory but why wait so long? That’s how this all started in 2020. Test now!", ">\n\nChina has been in quarantine until the protests. They have a very low of vaccinated people, so now everyone's breathing on each other's necks, squeezing in tight places and now introducing another pandemic. \nI believe a combination of everyone quarantined for too long and non vaccinated people are making this a very deadly spread.", ">\n\nTheir vaccination rate is not too bad, except among the elderly. But their vaccine was shit even before all the variants.\nThey've been trying to use lockdown to prevent spread and with the new variants that just won't work.\nSo yeah, they're pretty fucked.", ">\n\nVaccination rate is good, but the rate of people who are up to date on boosters is where they fall short even beyond just the elderly. It also doesn't help that the vaccine being used is overall less effective than the ones being used elsewhere like you said. Makes those booster shots many are lacking even more critical.", ">\n\nApparently Americans only get worried when it’s Chinese people spreading Covid as opposed to their own residents, citizens and Europeans.", ">\n\nseems xenophobic /s", ">\n\noh I'm sure conservatives will be very concerned about the \"freedoms\" of those travelers from China", ">\n\nHow's this going to work for the 75% of all our manufactured goods coming in from China?", ">\n\nThank God Biden is doing this if it was Trump they call him racist .", ">\n\nTrump admin did this and it was hailed as a great idea, because it was. And is.\nWho tf cares who the man or president is when it comes to health? Why are some people like this?", ">\n\nYou know that wasnt true.", ">\n\nWhy would they make a move that would indisputably send hundreds of thousands of infected into the wider world including those that may wind up being infected with a new variant or two? \nCan we at least conclude that China does not care about this possibility? Is that verboten to say?\nCan an axiomatically correct statement still result in a ban?", ">\n\nSounds kinda racist.", ">\n\nMakes absolute sense considering what's currently going on there. Canada should do the same. I'll even go as far as say suspend visas / entry from that part of the world temporarily, until they can get it under control", ">\n\nMakes sense. China is exploding with covid and who knows if/when the next bad variant develops there.", ">\n\nLmao Reddit enjoying their shut in lives so much I’d rather jump off the tallest bridge near me before going into lockdowns again.", ">\n\nXenophobia", ">\n\nXenophobic Biden", ">\n\nPeople are acting like Covid stopped spreading in the US… The US just decided to ignore it, that is until China gained more cases, and now it’s back to fear mongering Chinese people. I see that xenophobia is still alive and well in the US.", ">\n\nMy family and I caught covid during Thanksgiving after being careful for two years. Fortunately, we're all vaccinated so the symptoms didn't hit us too hard. We just got lax with being careful, but we'll probably be wearing our masks in crowded places just to be safe.", ">\n\nI never stopped wearing masks in the US while going to stores. The reality is we have had waves of Covid here in the US, and we have had different mutations of variants too.", ">\n\nThats racist. Biden should be ashamed of himself for allowing such bigotry and hatred towards our Chinese brethren.", ">\n\nThis applies to anyone traveling from China, not just the Chinese." ]
> Same biological warfare when westerners were entering into China in 2022?
[ "People from China will travel through Europe and come in to America from the east coast like they did when the pandemic started. This will do nothing if all travelers aboard aren’t made to test.", ">\n\nLet's hope EU and other countries do the same.", ">\n\nI don't know if they will. Australia (for example) had some of the toughest Covid policies and they've essentially just thrown them all out the window.\nSo I don't know how willing countries are to go back to being overly concerned about Covid.", ">\n\nThey should be concerned w chinese, it's spreading like wildfire in china. If we aren't careful, they will come out w covid 20.", ">\n\nIt’s spreading everywhere including the USA. This policy has nothing to do with science or medicine. It’s just politics.", ">\n\nNo. It’s circulating like mad in a population of 1 billion people who haven’t been exposed before. This is how new variants come about. Every country should require negative Covid test for china at least until it cycles through the population", ">\n\n\nNo. It’s circulating like mad in a population of 1 billion people who haven’t been exposed before.\n\nIt's also spreading like mad in all the countries of the world including the USA.\n\nThis is how new variants come about. \n\nAnd they have been for years now.\n\nEvery country should require negative Covid test for china at least until it cycles through the population\n\nOnly for political reasons. There is no scientific or rational demand for this. \nI get it, you hate china, most americans hate china so just be honest and say what you really mean.", ">\n\nStrains are spreading in the west yes, but there are new strains in China that are spreading and we don't know if our vaccines will work with those strains. We know the Chinese vaccines have a low efficacy rate and we know they are not mRNA vaccines which allow for easier adaptation to new strains. Making travelers with a Chinese passport take Covid tests at any and all airports is not racist or even unfair - a reminder that China has been relatively hard to travel to for the last 2 years because they were locked down to foreign travel as well. This is simply good policy from a public health measure, and you not wanting to see that for what it is and instead attribute it to a nascent American hatred for China is laughable. the World Health Organization estimated close to 800 million new cases in China in the next few months, with another estimate 4 million deaths and countless new strains coming out during that period. This is about protection populations, not punishing China.", ">\n\n\nStrains are spreading in the west yes, but there are new strains in China that are spreading and we don't know if our vaccines will work with those strains.\n\nYou don't know if vaccines work against any new variant even if that variant is from a country populated with white people.\n\nWe know the Chinese vaccines have a low efficacy rate and we know they are not mRNA vaccines which allow for easier adaptation to new strains. \n\nThe vaccine doesn't adapt once inside of your body you know that right?\n\nMaking travelers with a Chinese passport take Covid tests at any and all airports is not racist or even unfair \n\nit's definitely unfair and probably racist as well.\n\nhis is simply good policy from a public health measure, a\n\nA good policy would be to require vaccinations from everybody. Think about it, you are requiring a vaccine that you said doesn't even work. How much sense does that make?\n\nattribute it to a nascent American hatred for China is laughable.\n\nNascent?\n\nThis is about protection populations, not punishing China.\n\nIt's definitely about punishing china, it's a part of the current cold war with China conducted by the USA.", ">\n\n\nYou don't know if vaccines work against any new variant even if that variant is from a country populated with white people.\n\nAll the more reason to not invite more new strains into the country. White population or otherwise has nothing to do with it, expected rise in cases in China does.\n\nThe vaccine doesn't adapt once inside of your body you know that right?\n\nYou missed the point. The point i was making was that the Chinese medical system has not even approached Covid with an mRNA vaccine, and steadfastly refused to license western vaccines. If the vaccine most readily available in China has a 50% efficacy then the population is at more risk of contracting the virus and having negative results. The infection rates are increased with each new case of BA.7 (China is currently seeing each covid patient infecting on average 18 other people represented as 1:18, whereas the in US the rate is 1:3.9). Each of these factors increases the risk of developing new strains that are vaccine resistant. \n\nit's definitely unfair and probably racist as well\n\nIs it your position that nations cannot take any prescriptive action to prevent the spread of infected persons from other countries? Again i would remind you that China has basically been locked down for the last 2 years, with severe limitations to personal freedoms themselves. This is not based on race, but rather a government's inability to contain a contagious outbreak in their own country and not wanting it to spread. \n\nA good policy would be to require vaccinations from everybody. Think about it, you are requiring a vaccine that you said doesn't even work. How much sense does that make?\n\nThat might be your definition on good policy, but it isn't mine and that isn't how the west does it. \"I\" am not requiring a vaccine that \"I\" said doesn't work - that was your suggestion not mine. Also, i said the efficacy of the Chinese vaccine is 50% - based on available information - i never said it didn't work, and i never said that it should be mandatory or required.\n\nNascent?\n\nPoor and wrong word choice on my part it seems. What i meant was ascribing the US decision to require testing of Chinese travelers to racism because you believe that the US is racist is laughable. Taking a test to prove that you are covid negative is far less onerous on a traveler than most visa requirements.\n\nIt's definitely about punishing china, it's a part of the current cold war with China conducted by the USA.\n\nCite your sources. I could point to many Chinese government policies that i could say are part of the current cold war with the US without backing it up and it would be just as credible as what you said. Opinion is not a source, and not proof. You assume that the US government is racist, that this policy is racist and yet we have had travel bans imposed on other countries, as well as testing required for travelers from other countries imposed before, and other policies and so has China. For goodness sake China has been closed to foreigners for almost 3 years, and is still closed to foreign travel until January 2023. Is that a racist policy as well?", ">\n\nHere we go again.\nThis time I think I'll learn French cooking.", ">\n\n5000 People a day will have to die before Anybody says the word Lock down in the States ever again.", ">\n\nDon’t understand why people can’t handle staying at home for two weeks when it could potentially eradicate a deadly virus. Are we that weak?", ">\n\nWe did that in large part in March 2020. And did China not spend years locking down their citizens? \nPeoples savings are gone. They need to work. \nWearing a mask would do a lot to help the issue but people aren’t willing to do that anymore.", ">\n\nWe didn't do that though. We didn't all lock down when we were supposed to. Where I work I had to go in from the very start all the way through. Most people, the majority of people, didn't stay home even if they didn't have work. Most people didn't fuck with masks or keeping a distance, and even people who weren't antivaccers didn't take the vaccine seriously for the longest time. \nWe had no fucking lock down, unless you were a well-off celebrity or comedian who wanted to talk about being locked down for content. \nIf people legit locked down, they would have taken a small hit financially, but too many people didn't do shit and prolonged everything.", ">\n\nThe things is that it doesn't take long to drain peoples saving - becuase the overwhelming majority of people have practically none. \nSo an extended lockdown was never feasible unless the government was willing to pay several trillion dollars of expenses, not just 2 or 3 times but several times over.", ">\n\nI didn't dispute any of what you said. I pointed out that most people actively contested any safety measure and most people didn't actually lock down. Any extension will almost certainly be the fault of most of those people. \nI'd gladly let them all die if it meant the few people who did take things seriously didn't have to live through a Walking Dead scenario or have to take a huge financial hit because them.", ">\n\nMost people did lock down just fine initially. After a few weeks turned into a month or more, yeah people got testy.\nAdditionally, a gigantic amount of people work in critical industries and simply cant stay home. Just keeping the lights and water on requires tens of millions of workers, plus industries like plants and refineries that simply cannot shut down without massive long-term consequences.\nReddit is full of office people who can WFH, the vast majority of people cant.", ">\n\nI was one of those who couldn't stay home. Right out of the gate most people gave up on almost all of it except when they were making a show of complying when they had to. There was a lot of cheating. I walk through a lot of different areas. The waves of patients and bodies we got at work tracked with that and became predictable.", ">\n\nWhat’s that saying that ends with ”…doomed to repeat it?”", ">\n\nWhy not just require a negative test from everyone?", ">\n\nWho would you expect to pay for that?", ">\n\nGovernments or sponsors from the private sector ideally, I honestly don’t give a fuck. I’ve gotten many free tests from both and I’ve also bought some for like $8.", ">\n\n“Here we go again” from everyone in the comments. \nThe virus never stopped, we did.", ">\n\nVirus will always be there. Permanent restrictions are unsustainable", ">\n\n3 years later...\nIs this permanent?", ">\n\nI doubt there's anything that would make Republicans running in 2024 happier then Democrats advocating for a return to COVID restrictions.", ">\n\nRight? It’d be like the democrats fighting for gun control, or gay and trans rights, or safe and legal abortions. It would be political suicide to stand for something that Republicans don’t like!", ">\n\nMy understanding is that everything you listed is broadly popular or has at least a majority of American's in favor of it. A return to COVID restrictions is not in that category.", ">\n\nGun control isn’t even universally loved amongst the American left, as the hard left needs them for protection from the hard right they clash with, and the middle left does like having their guns taken as much as any middle right wing does, only mid left likes it", ">\n\nGallup has 57% of Americans feeling that in general gun laws should be more strict.", ">\n\nRegular people want kids to stop dying while in school. The problem is \"stricter laws\" is vague and no one can agree on what it means or give a serious proposal that would work, short of confiscation and bans, which are wildly unpopular.", ">\n\nVague political talking points is the best we’re going to get. Much as I’d love a Ross Perot style of breaking down every platform and promise, the general public doesn’t go for it. Buzz words are all we have the attention span for.", ">\n\nChina's COVID-19 surge raises odds of new coronavirus variants\nThings could get very ugly.", ">\n\nYou say this like covid hasn't been spreading rampantly through literally every country on the planet, mostly without any measures to stop the spread. Why does China get a different treatment and maybe countries should require tests from the US or Inida or Europe?", ">\n\nI agree. US was primarily the culprit of why COVID went rampant to begin with. We actively refused to enforce any sort of safety measures, just a mild suggestion of \"maybe wear a mask, if you want to, it's ok if you don't\" and \"we have vaccines if you want one, no pressure tho\". That was really our response to the world's deadliest pandemic.", ">\n\nWe actively made fun of zero covid approaches on reddit and now based on the comments on this thread we are suddenly pro “zero covid” approaches", ">\n\nEveryone finally watched contagion", ">\n\nSo far my 2023 bingo card is reading alooot of skull and crossbones, I think I might actually win at something next year, what does your score card look like?", ">\n\nWhen’s that $1200 going to hit my account?", ">\n\nI’m still living off mine from last time!", ">\n\nI’m still looking for mine", ">\n\nI’m waiting for that $600 bucks from Biden still, but that’s going right into my retirement!", ">\n\nYou dont get he meant to include any money you already received as well /s", ">\n\nI seem to remember campaign ads with $2000 checks.", ">\n\nYep they explicitly mentioned $2,000 checks.", ">\n\nMy comment was sarcasm but in retrospect there are so many neoliberals saying that word for word in all seriousness that I should and will add a sarcasm tag", ">\n\nThat's nice and all, but let's not act like we're not just ignoring our own COVID problems.", ">\n\n\n\"You don't have zero tolerance anymore? We can't tolerate that.\"\n\n- Country with 100% tolerance", ">\n\nWhy not require a negative COVID test from everyone entering the country? It’s like they don’t want COVID to be under control.", ">\n\nI think this is because China has a relatively low vaccination rate because they relied on lock downs. Now that lock downs are being ramped down, they are having a huge surge.", ">\n\nThe vaccination rate in China is considerably higher than the US (92% vs 81%). This is just another example of yellow peril", ">\n\nThank you for pointing this out. What I said above was wrong about the vaccination rate. I don’t know why exactly China is having a surge. 🤷‍♂️", ">\n\nTheir vaccination rate is high but their vaccine, SinoVac is based on old tech. It conveys effectively zero protection from variants when compared to all the other types of vaccines on the market.", ">\n\nYou guys are so full of shit. At 3 doses Sinovac gives the same protection as any western vaccine with boosters to help mitigate mutated variants. Stop spreading misinfo.", ">\n\n\"Does that thumbnail of someone getting tested read too much like 'screaming uselessly into the void'?\"\n\"I'm sure it'll be fine.\"", ">\n\nMaybe, just maybe they shouldnt have stopped testing airplane passengers in the first place... \nWe have cheap, readily available tests that take 10 minutes to complete. There’s really no reason not to test ever passenger before boarding...", ">\n\nEveryone I know who had Omicron tested negative until their symptoms cleared. It was evading the RATs, for some reason.", ">\n\nI tested positive on a rapid test two days after getting congested. Every teacher coworker of mine who bothered to test after getting cold symptoms also did. I think it's why so few parents now test their kids before sending time to school sick. They don't want to know so we all find out when we or our family members then test positive, missing work on their sick kids' behalf so they didn't have to. \nI have also heard the rapid test can give false negatives but anecdotal references don't mean much.", ">\n\nA day late and a dollar short. Same old song and dance.", ">\n\nWow, it’s like history literally repeating itself.", ">\n\nIndeed it is. I hope everyone is prepared for what’s next.", ">\n\nWe should require negative COVID tests for people to fly within the US, too.\nIt makes no difference to me if the person who infects me at LAX is coming in from China, or from Texas.", ">\n\nThere is a high chance anyone that comes from China has Covid right now. Low chance that someone inside America has.", ">\n\nNaw. China’s percent is much higher, sure, but it’s not like US infection rates are low. You can pretty much guarantee an infected American on every sold out domestic flight. The latest variants are super, super contagious, and it only takes one infected person to pose a serious risk to the other people sharing their space, and then all of their families and friends after they land. All flights should still require testing and masking at this point, or all we’ve really accomplished is pacifying the dimwits and xenophobes.\nI know at least 3 people who 100% contracted COVID while flying domestically in the US this last month - because they were isolated for the incubation period beforehand. They were masked the entire time they were in the airport and on the plane.", ">\n\nIf they were masked up and I assume vaccinated and still caught the virus then preventable measures like these aren’t that effective.", ">\n\nIs there a new strain of Covid that isn't in the U.S yet, otherwise what's the point.", ">\n\nUm testing should not ever stop.", ">\n\nAh shit here we go again", ">\n\n\"Who left the fridge open?\"", ">\n\nIt's \"just a cold\" unless it's a non-white person from another country carrying it.\n/s", ">\n\nChina implemented an ineffective vaccine and had 30m+ cases in one day. It’s specifically that gov. refusing to use effective vaccines", ">\n\nAnd the United States had effective vaccines that half the country is not willing to nor willing to wear masks, while complaining to other countries like China about their travel restrictions (from China and Hong Kong). And honestly I’m not oppose to a tighter restriction on China while they are experiencing a surge in new cases just as it did with any other countries that initially loosen covid restrictions, what makes me question this being race or politically motivated is the hypocrisy; people complained about China being oppressive when it was enforcing all the covid restrictions and when they loosen it “China doesn’t care about human lives”.\nSo what exactly do you want them to do?", ">\n\n\nto Require Negative Covid Tests for Travelers From China\n\nLuckily China is well known for its systemic unwillingness to fake or counterfeit things, so everything should be fine.\nhonest.", ">\n\nSeems purely retaliatory with no actual effectiveness.\nEnforcement is over a week away and presumably China has hit its peak already (flights being 40% positive)", ">\n\nThe rich rats are going to buy fake tests and jump ship breaking quarantine just like they did in the first wave. Cutting flights or enforcing quarantines is the only way to prevent this stuff from jumping oceans but god forbid anybody inhibit the jet setters.", ">\n\nHALF of the passengers on a plane from China going to Italy tested positive the other day (tested on arrival). Chances are most if not all of them had negative test results they could show that they took before they left. This won't do anything to stop people coming into the US while positive..we are going to have to go through this all over again and we won't have the same somewhat cooperative response in the US this time if it is a variant that evades immunity... It will get REALLY bad.", ">\n\nSeriously they know red states will just let them in and will never do another shut down again. So start dealt with out break countries this way to slow it down or corner it. But I see very very bad days ahead for China and Russia is starting to report out breaks too.", ">\n\nMust. When?", ">\n\nWe already require this from canada iirc\nEdit: i was wrong, canada requires it from us.", ">\n\nI hope we are talking PCR tests... those store-bought 15-minute ones struggle to get a positive if you have any sort of vaccination, even while symptomatic and miserable.", ">\n\nWell, a little bit of good news. I'll take it.", ">\n\nTravel should have been 100$ restricted a long time ago. Travel should be restricted to any country experiencing a COVID outbreak.", ">\n\nWonderful. Another round of Asian hating.", ">\n\nWho's hating on Asians? We're trying to stop this virus from killing people.", ">\n\nor… ban flights from china??", ">\n\nDoesn’t make sense in singling out China when covid is widespread in every single country", ">\n\nThe extent of covid in china atm is just absurd. Two weeks ago, they had 37 MILLION cases in one day. Think about that. Thats more people than a lot of countries! \nsource", ">\n\nI wonder why China has so much trouble with COVID compared to other countries, despite being so strict.", ">\n\nIt’s because they had the zero covid approaches that people are advocating for in this thread and they suddenly reversed course. Everyone in China is getting it so fast its likely the same variants quickly spreading in a population that suddenly reversed course. Having many people getting it over time and exposed to new generations of the virus (which is what happens over time) is more insidious but people here think thats fine", ">\n\nEveryone saying this is racist, do not pay attention to the world", ">\n\nIt was called racist and xenophobic when Trump did it. The left are hypocritical emotional wrecks.", ">\n\nnah trump was racist or did you forget he called it the “china virus” and subsequent hate crimes increased against adians", ">\n\nLet’s not change the subject. We’re talking about testing travelers from China here. Always trying to deflect.", ">\n\nIs that what he did, though? That and nothing else? This is a Fox News headline, but I bet there's a lot more to it. There usually is.\nFYI, Italy is also requiring testing of travelers from China at this time.\nBecause of the high number of cases in China at this time.", ">\n\nSo many dumb replies here. I am sad about where humankind is at.", ">\n\nRound two people", ">\n\nWe need to ramp up testing again at border.", ">\n\nChina trying to stop Covid…lol! Fail miserably at that, build a huge infected population, then unleash it on the world. Great job China /s", ">\n\nSell then the Moderna vaccine so they can treat themselves, ans end this debacle.", ">\n\nEven if US send Moderna and Phizer vaccine, China will not use it, because they boast about \"superior\" Chinese vaccine and don't want to lose face.\n​\nUntil they change their attitude, I suggest keeping restriction in place for PRC travelers.", ">\n\nOh definitely.", ">\n\nCCP exporting covid again.", ">\n\nPaywall - can anyone help me read the article? It sounds great in theory but why wait so long? That’s how this all started in 2020. Test now!", ">\n\nChina has been in quarantine until the protests. They have a very low of vaccinated people, so now everyone's breathing on each other's necks, squeezing in tight places and now introducing another pandemic. \nI believe a combination of everyone quarantined for too long and non vaccinated people are making this a very deadly spread.", ">\n\nTheir vaccination rate is not too bad, except among the elderly. But their vaccine was shit even before all the variants.\nThey've been trying to use lockdown to prevent spread and with the new variants that just won't work.\nSo yeah, they're pretty fucked.", ">\n\nVaccination rate is good, but the rate of people who are up to date on boosters is where they fall short even beyond just the elderly. It also doesn't help that the vaccine being used is overall less effective than the ones being used elsewhere like you said. Makes those booster shots many are lacking even more critical.", ">\n\nApparently Americans only get worried when it’s Chinese people spreading Covid as opposed to their own residents, citizens and Europeans.", ">\n\nseems xenophobic /s", ">\n\noh I'm sure conservatives will be very concerned about the \"freedoms\" of those travelers from China", ">\n\nHow's this going to work for the 75% of all our manufactured goods coming in from China?", ">\n\nThank God Biden is doing this if it was Trump they call him racist .", ">\n\nTrump admin did this and it was hailed as a great idea, because it was. And is.\nWho tf cares who the man or president is when it comes to health? Why are some people like this?", ">\n\nYou know that wasnt true.", ">\n\nWhy would they make a move that would indisputably send hundreds of thousands of infected into the wider world including those that may wind up being infected with a new variant or two? \nCan we at least conclude that China does not care about this possibility? Is that verboten to say?\nCan an axiomatically correct statement still result in a ban?", ">\n\nSounds kinda racist.", ">\n\nMakes absolute sense considering what's currently going on there. Canada should do the same. I'll even go as far as say suspend visas / entry from that part of the world temporarily, until they can get it under control", ">\n\nMakes sense. China is exploding with covid and who knows if/when the next bad variant develops there.", ">\n\nLmao Reddit enjoying their shut in lives so much I’d rather jump off the tallest bridge near me before going into lockdowns again.", ">\n\nXenophobia", ">\n\nXenophobic Biden", ">\n\nPeople are acting like Covid stopped spreading in the US… The US just decided to ignore it, that is until China gained more cases, and now it’s back to fear mongering Chinese people. I see that xenophobia is still alive and well in the US.", ">\n\nMy family and I caught covid during Thanksgiving after being careful for two years. Fortunately, we're all vaccinated so the symptoms didn't hit us too hard. We just got lax with being careful, but we'll probably be wearing our masks in crowded places just to be safe.", ">\n\nI never stopped wearing masks in the US while going to stores. The reality is we have had waves of Covid here in the US, and we have had different mutations of variants too.", ">\n\nThats racist. Biden should be ashamed of himself for allowing such bigotry and hatred towards our Chinese brethren.", ">\n\nThis applies to anyone traveling from China, not just the Chinese.", ">\n\nI wouldn’t think another country was rascist if the USA had a huge surge and temporarily suspended flights to:from the USA until the numbers came down." ]
> 50 Cent army, out in full force!
[ "People from China will travel through Europe and come in to America from the east coast like they did when the pandemic started. This will do nothing if all travelers aboard aren’t made to test.", ">\n\nLet's hope EU and other countries do the same.", ">\n\nI don't know if they will. Australia (for example) had some of the toughest Covid policies and they've essentially just thrown them all out the window.\nSo I don't know how willing countries are to go back to being overly concerned about Covid.", ">\n\nThey should be concerned w chinese, it's spreading like wildfire in china. If we aren't careful, they will come out w covid 20.", ">\n\nIt’s spreading everywhere including the USA. This policy has nothing to do with science or medicine. It’s just politics.", ">\n\nNo. It’s circulating like mad in a population of 1 billion people who haven’t been exposed before. This is how new variants come about. Every country should require negative Covid test for china at least until it cycles through the population", ">\n\n\nNo. It’s circulating like mad in a population of 1 billion people who haven’t been exposed before.\n\nIt's also spreading like mad in all the countries of the world including the USA.\n\nThis is how new variants come about. \n\nAnd they have been for years now.\n\nEvery country should require negative Covid test for china at least until it cycles through the population\n\nOnly for political reasons. There is no scientific or rational demand for this. \nI get it, you hate china, most americans hate china so just be honest and say what you really mean.", ">\n\nStrains are spreading in the west yes, but there are new strains in China that are spreading and we don't know if our vaccines will work with those strains. We know the Chinese vaccines have a low efficacy rate and we know they are not mRNA vaccines which allow for easier adaptation to new strains. Making travelers with a Chinese passport take Covid tests at any and all airports is not racist or even unfair - a reminder that China has been relatively hard to travel to for the last 2 years because they were locked down to foreign travel as well. This is simply good policy from a public health measure, and you not wanting to see that for what it is and instead attribute it to a nascent American hatred for China is laughable. the World Health Organization estimated close to 800 million new cases in China in the next few months, with another estimate 4 million deaths and countless new strains coming out during that period. This is about protection populations, not punishing China.", ">\n\n\nStrains are spreading in the west yes, but there are new strains in China that are spreading and we don't know if our vaccines will work with those strains.\n\nYou don't know if vaccines work against any new variant even if that variant is from a country populated with white people.\n\nWe know the Chinese vaccines have a low efficacy rate and we know they are not mRNA vaccines which allow for easier adaptation to new strains. \n\nThe vaccine doesn't adapt once inside of your body you know that right?\n\nMaking travelers with a Chinese passport take Covid tests at any and all airports is not racist or even unfair \n\nit's definitely unfair and probably racist as well.\n\nhis is simply good policy from a public health measure, a\n\nA good policy would be to require vaccinations from everybody. Think about it, you are requiring a vaccine that you said doesn't even work. How much sense does that make?\n\nattribute it to a nascent American hatred for China is laughable.\n\nNascent?\n\nThis is about protection populations, not punishing China.\n\nIt's definitely about punishing china, it's a part of the current cold war with China conducted by the USA.", ">\n\n\nYou don't know if vaccines work against any new variant even if that variant is from a country populated with white people.\n\nAll the more reason to not invite more new strains into the country. White population or otherwise has nothing to do with it, expected rise in cases in China does.\n\nThe vaccine doesn't adapt once inside of your body you know that right?\n\nYou missed the point. The point i was making was that the Chinese medical system has not even approached Covid with an mRNA vaccine, and steadfastly refused to license western vaccines. If the vaccine most readily available in China has a 50% efficacy then the population is at more risk of contracting the virus and having negative results. The infection rates are increased with each new case of BA.7 (China is currently seeing each covid patient infecting on average 18 other people represented as 1:18, whereas the in US the rate is 1:3.9). Each of these factors increases the risk of developing new strains that are vaccine resistant. \n\nit's definitely unfair and probably racist as well\n\nIs it your position that nations cannot take any prescriptive action to prevent the spread of infected persons from other countries? Again i would remind you that China has basically been locked down for the last 2 years, with severe limitations to personal freedoms themselves. This is not based on race, but rather a government's inability to contain a contagious outbreak in their own country and not wanting it to spread. \n\nA good policy would be to require vaccinations from everybody. Think about it, you are requiring a vaccine that you said doesn't even work. How much sense does that make?\n\nThat might be your definition on good policy, but it isn't mine and that isn't how the west does it. \"I\" am not requiring a vaccine that \"I\" said doesn't work - that was your suggestion not mine. Also, i said the efficacy of the Chinese vaccine is 50% - based on available information - i never said it didn't work, and i never said that it should be mandatory or required.\n\nNascent?\n\nPoor and wrong word choice on my part it seems. What i meant was ascribing the US decision to require testing of Chinese travelers to racism because you believe that the US is racist is laughable. Taking a test to prove that you are covid negative is far less onerous on a traveler than most visa requirements.\n\nIt's definitely about punishing china, it's a part of the current cold war with China conducted by the USA.\n\nCite your sources. I could point to many Chinese government policies that i could say are part of the current cold war with the US without backing it up and it would be just as credible as what you said. Opinion is not a source, and not proof. You assume that the US government is racist, that this policy is racist and yet we have had travel bans imposed on other countries, as well as testing required for travelers from other countries imposed before, and other policies and so has China. For goodness sake China has been closed to foreigners for almost 3 years, and is still closed to foreign travel until January 2023. Is that a racist policy as well?", ">\n\nHere we go again.\nThis time I think I'll learn French cooking.", ">\n\n5000 People a day will have to die before Anybody says the word Lock down in the States ever again.", ">\n\nDon’t understand why people can’t handle staying at home for two weeks when it could potentially eradicate a deadly virus. Are we that weak?", ">\n\nWe did that in large part in March 2020. And did China not spend years locking down their citizens? \nPeoples savings are gone. They need to work. \nWearing a mask would do a lot to help the issue but people aren’t willing to do that anymore.", ">\n\nWe didn't do that though. We didn't all lock down when we were supposed to. Where I work I had to go in from the very start all the way through. Most people, the majority of people, didn't stay home even if they didn't have work. Most people didn't fuck with masks or keeping a distance, and even people who weren't antivaccers didn't take the vaccine seriously for the longest time. \nWe had no fucking lock down, unless you were a well-off celebrity or comedian who wanted to talk about being locked down for content. \nIf people legit locked down, they would have taken a small hit financially, but too many people didn't do shit and prolonged everything.", ">\n\nThe things is that it doesn't take long to drain peoples saving - becuase the overwhelming majority of people have practically none. \nSo an extended lockdown was never feasible unless the government was willing to pay several trillion dollars of expenses, not just 2 or 3 times but several times over.", ">\n\nI didn't dispute any of what you said. I pointed out that most people actively contested any safety measure and most people didn't actually lock down. Any extension will almost certainly be the fault of most of those people. \nI'd gladly let them all die if it meant the few people who did take things seriously didn't have to live through a Walking Dead scenario or have to take a huge financial hit because them.", ">\n\nMost people did lock down just fine initially. After a few weeks turned into a month or more, yeah people got testy.\nAdditionally, a gigantic amount of people work in critical industries and simply cant stay home. Just keeping the lights and water on requires tens of millions of workers, plus industries like plants and refineries that simply cannot shut down without massive long-term consequences.\nReddit is full of office people who can WFH, the vast majority of people cant.", ">\n\nI was one of those who couldn't stay home. Right out of the gate most people gave up on almost all of it except when they were making a show of complying when they had to. There was a lot of cheating. I walk through a lot of different areas. The waves of patients and bodies we got at work tracked with that and became predictable.", ">\n\nWhat’s that saying that ends with ”…doomed to repeat it?”", ">\n\nWhy not just require a negative test from everyone?", ">\n\nWho would you expect to pay for that?", ">\n\nGovernments or sponsors from the private sector ideally, I honestly don’t give a fuck. I’ve gotten many free tests from both and I’ve also bought some for like $8.", ">\n\n“Here we go again” from everyone in the comments. \nThe virus never stopped, we did.", ">\n\nVirus will always be there. Permanent restrictions are unsustainable", ">\n\n3 years later...\nIs this permanent?", ">\n\nI doubt there's anything that would make Republicans running in 2024 happier then Democrats advocating for a return to COVID restrictions.", ">\n\nRight? It’d be like the democrats fighting for gun control, or gay and trans rights, or safe and legal abortions. It would be political suicide to stand for something that Republicans don’t like!", ">\n\nMy understanding is that everything you listed is broadly popular or has at least a majority of American's in favor of it. A return to COVID restrictions is not in that category.", ">\n\nGun control isn’t even universally loved amongst the American left, as the hard left needs them for protection from the hard right they clash with, and the middle left does like having their guns taken as much as any middle right wing does, only mid left likes it", ">\n\nGallup has 57% of Americans feeling that in general gun laws should be more strict.", ">\n\nRegular people want kids to stop dying while in school. The problem is \"stricter laws\" is vague and no one can agree on what it means or give a serious proposal that would work, short of confiscation and bans, which are wildly unpopular.", ">\n\nVague political talking points is the best we’re going to get. Much as I’d love a Ross Perot style of breaking down every platform and promise, the general public doesn’t go for it. Buzz words are all we have the attention span for.", ">\n\nChina's COVID-19 surge raises odds of new coronavirus variants\nThings could get very ugly.", ">\n\nYou say this like covid hasn't been spreading rampantly through literally every country on the planet, mostly without any measures to stop the spread. Why does China get a different treatment and maybe countries should require tests from the US or Inida or Europe?", ">\n\nI agree. US was primarily the culprit of why COVID went rampant to begin with. We actively refused to enforce any sort of safety measures, just a mild suggestion of \"maybe wear a mask, if you want to, it's ok if you don't\" and \"we have vaccines if you want one, no pressure tho\". That was really our response to the world's deadliest pandemic.", ">\n\nWe actively made fun of zero covid approaches on reddit and now based on the comments on this thread we are suddenly pro “zero covid” approaches", ">\n\nEveryone finally watched contagion", ">\n\nSo far my 2023 bingo card is reading alooot of skull and crossbones, I think I might actually win at something next year, what does your score card look like?", ">\n\nWhen’s that $1200 going to hit my account?", ">\n\nI’m still living off mine from last time!", ">\n\nI’m still looking for mine", ">\n\nI’m waiting for that $600 bucks from Biden still, but that’s going right into my retirement!", ">\n\nYou dont get he meant to include any money you already received as well /s", ">\n\nI seem to remember campaign ads with $2000 checks.", ">\n\nYep they explicitly mentioned $2,000 checks.", ">\n\nMy comment was sarcasm but in retrospect there are so many neoliberals saying that word for word in all seriousness that I should and will add a sarcasm tag", ">\n\nThat's nice and all, but let's not act like we're not just ignoring our own COVID problems.", ">\n\n\n\"You don't have zero tolerance anymore? We can't tolerate that.\"\n\n- Country with 100% tolerance", ">\n\nWhy not require a negative COVID test from everyone entering the country? It’s like they don’t want COVID to be under control.", ">\n\nI think this is because China has a relatively low vaccination rate because they relied on lock downs. Now that lock downs are being ramped down, they are having a huge surge.", ">\n\nThe vaccination rate in China is considerably higher than the US (92% vs 81%). This is just another example of yellow peril", ">\n\nThank you for pointing this out. What I said above was wrong about the vaccination rate. I don’t know why exactly China is having a surge. 🤷‍♂️", ">\n\nTheir vaccination rate is high but their vaccine, SinoVac is based on old tech. It conveys effectively zero protection from variants when compared to all the other types of vaccines on the market.", ">\n\nYou guys are so full of shit. At 3 doses Sinovac gives the same protection as any western vaccine with boosters to help mitigate mutated variants. Stop spreading misinfo.", ">\n\n\"Does that thumbnail of someone getting tested read too much like 'screaming uselessly into the void'?\"\n\"I'm sure it'll be fine.\"", ">\n\nMaybe, just maybe they shouldnt have stopped testing airplane passengers in the first place... \nWe have cheap, readily available tests that take 10 minutes to complete. There’s really no reason not to test ever passenger before boarding...", ">\n\nEveryone I know who had Omicron tested negative until their symptoms cleared. It was evading the RATs, for some reason.", ">\n\nI tested positive on a rapid test two days after getting congested. Every teacher coworker of mine who bothered to test after getting cold symptoms also did. I think it's why so few parents now test their kids before sending time to school sick. They don't want to know so we all find out when we or our family members then test positive, missing work on their sick kids' behalf so they didn't have to. \nI have also heard the rapid test can give false negatives but anecdotal references don't mean much.", ">\n\nA day late and a dollar short. Same old song and dance.", ">\n\nWow, it’s like history literally repeating itself.", ">\n\nIndeed it is. I hope everyone is prepared for what’s next.", ">\n\nWe should require negative COVID tests for people to fly within the US, too.\nIt makes no difference to me if the person who infects me at LAX is coming in from China, or from Texas.", ">\n\nThere is a high chance anyone that comes from China has Covid right now. Low chance that someone inside America has.", ">\n\nNaw. China’s percent is much higher, sure, but it’s not like US infection rates are low. You can pretty much guarantee an infected American on every sold out domestic flight. The latest variants are super, super contagious, and it only takes one infected person to pose a serious risk to the other people sharing their space, and then all of their families and friends after they land. All flights should still require testing and masking at this point, or all we’ve really accomplished is pacifying the dimwits and xenophobes.\nI know at least 3 people who 100% contracted COVID while flying domestically in the US this last month - because they were isolated for the incubation period beforehand. They were masked the entire time they were in the airport and on the plane.", ">\n\nIf they were masked up and I assume vaccinated and still caught the virus then preventable measures like these aren’t that effective.", ">\n\nIs there a new strain of Covid that isn't in the U.S yet, otherwise what's the point.", ">\n\nUm testing should not ever stop.", ">\n\nAh shit here we go again", ">\n\n\"Who left the fridge open?\"", ">\n\nIt's \"just a cold\" unless it's a non-white person from another country carrying it.\n/s", ">\n\nChina implemented an ineffective vaccine and had 30m+ cases in one day. It’s specifically that gov. refusing to use effective vaccines", ">\n\nAnd the United States had effective vaccines that half the country is not willing to nor willing to wear masks, while complaining to other countries like China about their travel restrictions (from China and Hong Kong). And honestly I’m not oppose to a tighter restriction on China while they are experiencing a surge in new cases just as it did with any other countries that initially loosen covid restrictions, what makes me question this being race or politically motivated is the hypocrisy; people complained about China being oppressive when it was enforcing all the covid restrictions and when they loosen it “China doesn’t care about human lives”.\nSo what exactly do you want them to do?", ">\n\n\nto Require Negative Covid Tests for Travelers From China\n\nLuckily China is well known for its systemic unwillingness to fake or counterfeit things, so everything should be fine.\nhonest.", ">\n\nSeems purely retaliatory with no actual effectiveness.\nEnforcement is over a week away and presumably China has hit its peak already (flights being 40% positive)", ">\n\nThe rich rats are going to buy fake tests and jump ship breaking quarantine just like they did in the first wave. Cutting flights or enforcing quarantines is the only way to prevent this stuff from jumping oceans but god forbid anybody inhibit the jet setters.", ">\n\nHALF of the passengers on a plane from China going to Italy tested positive the other day (tested on arrival). Chances are most if not all of them had negative test results they could show that they took before they left. This won't do anything to stop people coming into the US while positive..we are going to have to go through this all over again and we won't have the same somewhat cooperative response in the US this time if it is a variant that evades immunity... It will get REALLY bad.", ">\n\nSeriously they know red states will just let them in and will never do another shut down again. So start dealt with out break countries this way to slow it down or corner it. But I see very very bad days ahead for China and Russia is starting to report out breaks too.", ">\n\nMust. When?", ">\n\nWe already require this from canada iirc\nEdit: i was wrong, canada requires it from us.", ">\n\nI hope we are talking PCR tests... those store-bought 15-minute ones struggle to get a positive if you have any sort of vaccination, even while symptomatic and miserable.", ">\n\nWell, a little bit of good news. I'll take it.", ">\n\nTravel should have been 100$ restricted a long time ago. Travel should be restricted to any country experiencing a COVID outbreak.", ">\n\nWonderful. Another round of Asian hating.", ">\n\nWho's hating on Asians? We're trying to stop this virus from killing people.", ">\n\nor… ban flights from china??", ">\n\nDoesn’t make sense in singling out China when covid is widespread in every single country", ">\n\nThe extent of covid in china atm is just absurd. Two weeks ago, they had 37 MILLION cases in one day. Think about that. Thats more people than a lot of countries! \nsource", ">\n\nI wonder why China has so much trouble with COVID compared to other countries, despite being so strict.", ">\n\nIt’s because they had the zero covid approaches that people are advocating for in this thread and they suddenly reversed course. Everyone in China is getting it so fast its likely the same variants quickly spreading in a population that suddenly reversed course. Having many people getting it over time and exposed to new generations of the virus (which is what happens over time) is more insidious but people here think thats fine", ">\n\nEveryone saying this is racist, do not pay attention to the world", ">\n\nIt was called racist and xenophobic when Trump did it. The left are hypocritical emotional wrecks.", ">\n\nnah trump was racist or did you forget he called it the “china virus” and subsequent hate crimes increased against adians", ">\n\nLet’s not change the subject. We’re talking about testing travelers from China here. Always trying to deflect.", ">\n\nIs that what he did, though? That and nothing else? This is a Fox News headline, but I bet there's a lot more to it. There usually is.\nFYI, Italy is also requiring testing of travelers from China at this time.\nBecause of the high number of cases in China at this time.", ">\n\nSo many dumb replies here. I am sad about where humankind is at.", ">\n\nRound two people", ">\n\nWe need to ramp up testing again at border.", ">\n\nChina trying to stop Covid…lol! Fail miserably at that, build a huge infected population, then unleash it on the world. Great job China /s", ">\n\nSell then the Moderna vaccine so they can treat themselves, ans end this debacle.", ">\n\nEven if US send Moderna and Phizer vaccine, China will not use it, because they boast about \"superior\" Chinese vaccine and don't want to lose face.\n​\nUntil they change their attitude, I suggest keeping restriction in place for PRC travelers.", ">\n\nOh definitely.", ">\n\nCCP exporting covid again.", ">\n\nPaywall - can anyone help me read the article? It sounds great in theory but why wait so long? That’s how this all started in 2020. Test now!", ">\n\nChina has been in quarantine until the protests. They have a very low of vaccinated people, so now everyone's breathing on each other's necks, squeezing in tight places and now introducing another pandemic. \nI believe a combination of everyone quarantined for too long and non vaccinated people are making this a very deadly spread.", ">\n\nTheir vaccination rate is not too bad, except among the elderly. But their vaccine was shit even before all the variants.\nThey've been trying to use lockdown to prevent spread and with the new variants that just won't work.\nSo yeah, they're pretty fucked.", ">\n\nVaccination rate is good, but the rate of people who are up to date on boosters is where they fall short even beyond just the elderly. It also doesn't help that the vaccine being used is overall less effective than the ones being used elsewhere like you said. Makes those booster shots many are lacking even more critical.", ">\n\nApparently Americans only get worried when it’s Chinese people spreading Covid as opposed to their own residents, citizens and Europeans.", ">\n\nseems xenophobic /s", ">\n\noh I'm sure conservatives will be very concerned about the \"freedoms\" of those travelers from China", ">\n\nHow's this going to work for the 75% of all our manufactured goods coming in from China?", ">\n\nThank God Biden is doing this if it was Trump they call him racist .", ">\n\nTrump admin did this and it was hailed as a great idea, because it was. And is.\nWho tf cares who the man or president is when it comes to health? Why are some people like this?", ">\n\nYou know that wasnt true.", ">\n\nWhy would they make a move that would indisputably send hundreds of thousands of infected into the wider world including those that may wind up being infected with a new variant or two? \nCan we at least conclude that China does not care about this possibility? Is that verboten to say?\nCan an axiomatically correct statement still result in a ban?", ">\n\nSounds kinda racist.", ">\n\nMakes absolute sense considering what's currently going on there. Canada should do the same. I'll even go as far as say suspend visas / entry from that part of the world temporarily, until they can get it under control", ">\n\nMakes sense. China is exploding with covid and who knows if/when the next bad variant develops there.", ">\n\nLmao Reddit enjoying their shut in lives so much I’d rather jump off the tallest bridge near me before going into lockdowns again.", ">\n\nXenophobia", ">\n\nXenophobic Biden", ">\n\nPeople are acting like Covid stopped spreading in the US… The US just decided to ignore it, that is until China gained more cases, and now it’s back to fear mongering Chinese people. I see that xenophobia is still alive and well in the US.", ">\n\nMy family and I caught covid during Thanksgiving after being careful for two years. Fortunately, we're all vaccinated so the symptoms didn't hit us too hard. We just got lax with being careful, but we'll probably be wearing our masks in crowded places just to be safe.", ">\n\nI never stopped wearing masks in the US while going to stores. The reality is we have had waves of Covid here in the US, and we have had different mutations of variants too.", ">\n\nThats racist. Biden should be ashamed of himself for allowing such bigotry and hatred towards our Chinese brethren.", ">\n\nThis applies to anyone traveling from China, not just the Chinese.", ">\n\nI wouldn’t think another country was rascist if the USA had a huge surge and temporarily suspended flights to:from the USA until the numbers came down.", ">\n\nSame biological warfare when westerners were entering into China in 2022?" ]
> Why are we letting anyone in from China?
[ "People from China will travel through Europe and come in to America from the east coast like they did when the pandemic started. This will do nothing if all travelers aboard aren’t made to test.", ">\n\nLet's hope EU and other countries do the same.", ">\n\nI don't know if they will. Australia (for example) had some of the toughest Covid policies and they've essentially just thrown them all out the window.\nSo I don't know how willing countries are to go back to being overly concerned about Covid.", ">\n\nThey should be concerned w chinese, it's spreading like wildfire in china. If we aren't careful, they will come out w covid 20.", ">\n\nIt’s spreading everywhere including the USA. This policy has nothing to do with science or medicine. It’s just politics.", ">\n\nNo. It’s circulating like mad in a population of 1 billion people who haven’t been exposed before. This is how new variants come about. Every country should require negative Covid test for china at least until it cycles through the population", ">\n\n\nNo. It’s circulating like mad in a population of 1 billion people who haven’t been exposed before.\n\nIt's also spreading like mad in all the countries of the world including the USA.\n\nThis is how new variants come about. \n\nAnd they have been for years now.\n\nEvery country should require negative Covid test for china at least until it cycles through the population\n\nOnly for political reasons. There is no scientific or rational demand for this. \nI get it, you hate china, most americans hate china so just be honest and say what you really mean.", ">\n\nStrains are spreading in the west yes, but there are new strains in China that are spreading and we don't know if our vaccines will work with those strains. We know the Chinese vaccines have a low efficacy rate and we know they are not mRNA vaccines which allow for easier adaptation to new strains. Making travelers with a Chinese passport take Covid tests at any and all airports is not racist or even unfair - a reminder that China has been relatively hard to travel to for the last 2 years because they were locked down to foreign travel as well. This is simply good policy from a public health measure, and you not wanting to see that for what it is and instead attribute it to a nascent American hatred for China is laughable. the World Health Organization estimated close to 800 million new cases in China in the next few months, with another estimate 4 million deaths and countless new strains coming out during that period. This is about protection populations, not punishing China.", ">\n\n\nStrains are spreading in the west yes, but there are new strains in China that are spreading and we don't know if our vaccines will work with those strains.\n\nYou don't know if vaccines work against any new variant even if that variant is from a country populated with white people.\n\nWe know the Chinese vaccines have a low efficacy rate and we know they are not mRNA vaccines which allow for easier adaptation to new strains. \n\nThe vaccine doesn't adapt once inside of your body you know that right?\n\nMaking travelers with a Chinese passport take Covid tests at any and all airports is not racist or even unfair \n\nit's definitely unfair and probably racist as well.\n\nhis is simply good policy from a public health measure, a\n\nA good policy would be to require vaccinations from everybody. Think about it, you are requiring a vaccine that you said doesn't even work. How much sense does that make?\n\nattribute it to a nascent American hatred for China is laughable.\n\nNascent?\n\nThis is about protection populations, not punishing China.\n\nIt's definitely about punishing china, it's a part of the current cold war with China conducted by the USA.", ">\n\n\nYou don't know if vaccines work against any new variant even if that variant is from a country populated with white people.\n\nAll the more reason to not invite more new strains into the country. White population or otherwise has nothing to do with it, expected rise in cases in China does.\n\nThe vaccine doesn't adapt once inside of your body you know that right?\n\nYou missed the point. The point i was making was that the Chinese medical system has not even approached Covid with an mRNA vaccine, and steadfastly refused to license western vaccines. If the vaccine most readily available in China has a 50% efficacy then the population is at more risk of contracting the virus and having negative results. The infection rates are increased with each new case of BA.7 (China is currently seeing each covid patient infecting on average 18 other people represented as 1:18, whereas the in US the rate is 1:3.9). Each of these factors increases the risk of developing new strains that are vaccine resistant. \n\nit's definitely unfair and probably racist as well\n\nIs it your position that nations cannot take any prescriptive action to prevent the spread of infected persons from other countries? Again i would remind you that China has basically been locked down for the last 2 years, with severe limitations to personal freedoms themselves. This is not based on race, but rather a government's inability to contain a contagious outbreak in their own country and not wanting it to spread. \n\nA good policy would be to require vaccinations from everybody. Think about it, you are requiring a vaccine that you said doesn't even work. How much sense does that make?\n\nThat might be your definition on good policy, but it isn't mine and that isn't how the west does it. \"I\" am not requiring a vaccine that \"I\" said doesn't work - that was your suggestion not mine. Also, i said the efficacy of the Chinese vaccine is 50% - based on available information - i never said it didn't work, and i never said that it should be mandatory or required.\n\nNascent?\n\nPoor and wrong word choice on my part it seems. What i meant was ascribing the US decision to require testing of Chinese travelers to racism because you believe that the US is racist is laughable. Taking a test to prove that you are covid negative is far less onerous on a traveler than most visa requirements.\n\nIt's definitely about punishing china, it's a part of the current cold war with China conducted by the USA.\n\nCite your sources. I could point to many Chinese government policies that i could say are part of the current cold war with the US without backing it up and it would be just as credible as what you said. Opinion is not a source, and not proof. You assume that the US government is racist, that this policy is racist and yet we have had travel bans imposed on other countries, as well as testing required for travelers from other countries imposed before, and other policies and so has China. For goodness sake China has been closed to foreigners for almost 3 years, and is still closed to foreign travel until January 2023. Is that a racist policy as well?", ">\n\nHere we go again.\nThis time I think I'll learn French cooking.", ">\n\n5000 People a day will have to die before Anybody says the word Lock down in the States ever again.", ">\n\nDon’t understand why people can’t handle staying at home for two weeks when it could potentially eradicate a deadly virus. Are we that weak?", ">\n\nWe did that in large part in March 2020. And did China not spend years locking down their citizens? \nPeoples savings are gone. They need to work. \nWearing a mask would do a lot to help the issue but people aren’t willing to do that anymore.", ">\n\nWe didn't do that though. We didn't all lock down when we were supposed to. Where I work I had to go in from the very start all the way through. Most people, the majority of people, didn't stay home even if they didn't have work. Most people didn't fuck with masks or keeping a distance, and even people who weren't antivaccers didn't take the vaccine seriously for the longest time. \nWe had no fucking lock down, unless you were a well-off celebrity or comedian who wanted to talk about being locked down for content. \nIf people legit locked down, they would have taken a small hit financially, but too many people didn't do shit and prolonged everything.", ">\n\nThe things is that it doesn't take long to drain peoples saving - becuase the overwhelming majority of people have practically none. \nSo an extended lockdown was never feasible unless the government was willing to pay several trillion dollars of expenses, not just 2 or 3 times but several times over.", ">\n\nI didn't dispute any of what you said. I pointed out that most people actively contested any safety measure and most people didn't actually lock down. Any extension will almost certainly be the fault of most of those people. \nI'd gladly let them all die if it meant the few people who did take things seriously didn't have to live through a Walking Dead scenario or have to take a huge financial hit because them.", ">\n\nMost people did lock down just fine initially. After a few weeks turned into a month or more, yeah people got testy.\nAdditionally, a gigantic amount of people work in critical industries and simply cant stay home. Just keeping the lights and water on requires tens of millions of workers, plus industries like plants and refineries that simply cannot shut down without massive long-term consequences.\nReddit is full of office people who can WFH, the vast majority of people cant.", ">\n\nI was one of those who couldn't stay home. Right out of the gate most people gave up on almost all of it except when they were making a show of complying when they had to. There was a lot of cheating. I walk through a lot of different areas. The waves of patients and bodies we got at work tracked with that and became predictable.", ">\n\nWhat’s that saying that ends with ”…doomed to repeat it?”", ">\n\nWhy not just require a negative test from everyone?", ">\n\nWho would you expect to pay for that?", ">\n\nGovernments or sponsors from the private sector ideally, I honestly don’t give a fuck. I’ve gotten many free tests from both and I’ve also bought some for like $8.", ">\n\n“Here we go again” from everyone in the comments. \nThe virus never stopped, we did.", ">\n\nVirus will always be there. Permanent restrictions are unsustainable", ">\n\n3 years later...\nIs this permanent?", ">\n\nI doubt there's anything that would make Republicans running in 2024 happier then Democrats advocating for a return to COVID restrictions.", ">\n\nRight? It’d be like the democrats fighting for gun control, or gay and trans rights, or safe and legal abortions. It would be political suicide to stand for something that Republicans don’t like!", ">\n\nMy understanding is that everything you listed is broadly popular or has at least a majority of American's in favor of it. A return to COVID restrictions is not in that category.", ">\n\nGun control isn’t even universally loved amongst the American left, as the hard left needs them for protection from the hard right they clash with, and the middle left does like having their guns taken as much as any middle right wing does, only mid left likes it", ">\n\nGallup has 57% of Americans feeling that in general gun laws should be more strict.", ">\n\nRegular people want kids to stop dying while in school. The problem is \"stricter laws\" is vague and no one can agree on what it means or give a serious proposal that would work, short of confiscation and bans, which are wildly unpopular.", ">\n\nVague political talking points is the best we’re going to get. Much as I’d love a Ross Perot style of breaking down every platform and promise, the general public doesn’t go for it. Buzz words are all we have the attention span for.", ">\n\nChina's COVID-19 surge raises odds of new coronavirus variants\nThings could get very ugly.", ">\n\nYou say this like covid hasn't been spreading rampantly through literally every country on the planet, mostly without any measures to stop the spread. Why does China get a different treatment and maybe countries should require tests from the US or Inida or Europe?", ">\n\nI agree. US was primarily the culprit of why COVID went rampant to begin with. We actively refused to enforce any sort of safety measures, just a mild suggestion of \"maybe wear a mask, if you want to, it's ok if you don't\" and \"we have vaccines if you want one, no pressure tho\". That was really our response to the world's deadliest pandemic.", ">\n\nWe actively made fun of zero covid approaches on reddit and now based on the comments on this thread we are suddenly pro “zero covid” approaches", ">\n\nEveryone finally watched contagion", ">\n\nSo far my 2023 bingo card is reading alooot of skull and crossbones, I think I might actually win at something next year, what does your score card look like?", ">\n\nWhen’s that $1200 going to hit my account?", ">\n\nI’m still living off mine from last time!", ">\n\nI’m still looking for mine", ">\n\nI’m waiting for that $600 bucks from Biden still, but that’s going right into my retirement!", ">\n\nYou dont get he meant to include any money you already received as well /s", ">\n\nI seem to remember campaign ads with $2000 checks.", ">\n\nYep they explicitly mentioned $2,000 checks.", ">\n\nMy comment was sarcasm but in retrospect there are so many neoliberals saying that word for word in all seriousness that I should and will add a sarcasm tag", ">\n\nThat's nice and all, but let's not act like we're not just ignoring our own COVID problems.", ">\n\n\n\"You don't have zero tolerance anymore? We can't tolerate that.\"\n\n- Country with 100% tolerance", ">\n\nWhy not require a negative COVID test from everyone entering the country? It’s like they don’t want COVID to be under control.", ">\n\nI think this is because China has a relatively low vaccination rate because they relied on lock downs. Now that lock downs are being ramped down, they are having a huge surge.", ">\n\nThe vaccination rate in China is considerably higher than the US (92% vs 81%). This is just another example of yellow peril", ">\n\nThank you for pointing this out. What I said above was wrong about the vaccination rate. I don’t know why exactly China is having a surge. 🤷‍♂️", ">\n\nTheir vaccination rate is high but their vaccine, SinoVac is based on old tech. It conveys effectively zero protection from variants when compared to all the other types of vaccines on the market.", ">\n\nYou guys are so full of shit. At 3 doses Sinovac gives the same protection as any western vaccine with boosters to help mitigate mutated variants. Stop spreading misinfo.", ">\n\n\"Does that thumbnail of someone getting tested read too much like 'screaming uselessly into the void'?\"\n\"I'm sure it'll be fine.\"", ">\n\nMaybe, just maybe they shouldnt have stopped testing airplane passengers in the first place... \nWe have cheap, readily available tests that take 10 minutes to complete. There’s really no reason not to test ever passenger before boarding...", ">\n\nEveryone I know who had Omicron tested negative until their symptoms cleared. It was evading the RATs, for some reason.", ">\n\nI tested positive on a rapid test two days after getting congested. Every teacher coworker of mine who bothered to test after getting cold symptoms also did. I think it's why so few parents now test their kids before sending time to school sick. They don't want to know so we all find out when we or our family members then test positive, missing work on their sick kids' behalf so they didn't have to. \nI have also heard the rapid test can give false negatives but anecdotal references don't mean much.", ">\n\nA day late and a dollar short. Same old song and dance.", ">\n\nWow, it’s like history literally repeating itself.", ">\n\nIndeed it is. I hope everyone is prepared for what’s next.", ">\n\nWe should require negative COVID tests for people to fly within the US, too.\nIt makes no difference to me if the person who infects me at LAX is coming in from China, or from Texas.", ">\n\nThere is a high chance anyone that comes from China has Covid right now. Low chance that someone inside America has.", ">\n\nNaw. China’s percent is much higher, sure, but it’s not like US infection rates are low. You can pretty much guarantee an infected American on every sold out domestic flight. The latest variants are super, super contagious, and it only takes one infected person to pose a serious risk to the other people sharing their space, and then all of their families and friends after they land. All flights should still require testing and masking at this point, or all we’ve really accomplished is pacifying the dimwits and xenophobes.\nI know at least 3 people who 100% contracted COVID while flying domestically in the US this last month - because they were isolated for the incubation period beforehand. They were masked the entire time they were in the airport and on the plane.", ">\n\nIf they were masked up and I assume vaccinated and still caught the virus then preventable measures like these aren’t that effective.", ">\n\nIs there a new strain of Covid that isn't in the U.S yet, otherwise what's the point.", ">\n\nUm testing should not ever stop.", ">\n\nAh shit here we go again", ">\n\n\"Who left the fridge open?\"", ">\n\nIt's \"just a cold\" unless it's a non-white person from another country carrying it.\n/s", ">\n\nChina implemented an ineffective vaccine and had 30m+ cases in one day. It’s specifically that gov. refusing to use effective vaccines", ">\n\nAnd the United States had effective vaccines that half the country is not willing to nor willing to wear masks, while complaining to other countries like China about their travel restrictions (from China and Hong Kong). And honestly I’m not oppose to a tighter restriction on China while they are experiencing a surge in new cases just as it did with any other countries that initially loosen covid restrictions, what makes me question this being race or politically motivated is the hypocrisy; people complained about China being oppressive when it was enforcing all the covid restrictions and when they loosen it “China doesn’t care about human lives”.\nSo what exactly do you want them to do?", ">\n\n\nto Require Negative Covid Tests for Travelers From China\n\nLuckily China is well known for its systemic unwillingness to fake or counterfeit things, so everything should be fine.\nhonest.", ">\n\nSeems purely retaliatory with no actual effectiveness.\nEnforcement is over a week away and presumably China has hit its peak already (flights being 40% positive)", ">\n\nThe rich rats are going to buy fake tests and jump ship breaking quarantine just like they did in the first wave. Cutting flights or enforcing quarantines is the only way to prevent this stuff from jumping oceans but god forbid anybody inhibit the jet setters.", ">\n\nHALF of the passengers on a plane from China going to Italy tested positive the other day (tested on arrival). Chances are most if not all of them had negative test results they could show that they took before they left. This won't do anything to stop people coming into the US while positive..we are going to have to go through this all over again and we won't have the same somewhat cooperative response in the US this time if it is a variant that evades immunity... It will get REALLY bad.", ">\n\nSeriously they know red states will just let them in and will never do another shut down again. So start dealt with out break countries this way to slow it down or corner it. But I see very very bad days ahead for China and Russia is starting to report out breaks too.", ">\n\nMust. When?", ">\n\nWe already require this from canada iirc\nEdit: i was wrong, canada requires it from us.", ">\n\nI hope we are talking PCR tests... those store-bought 15-minute ones struggle to get a positive if you have any sort of vaccination, even while symptomatic and miserable.", ">\n\nWell, a little bit of good news. I'll take it.", ">\n\nTravel should have been 100$ restricted a long time ago. Travel should be restricted to any country experiencing a COVID outbreak.", ">\n\nWonderful. Another round of Asian hating.", ">\n\nWho's hating on Asians? We're trying to stop this virus from killing people.", ">\n\nor… ban flights from china??", ">\n\nDoesn’t make sense in singling out China when covid is widespread in every single country", ">\n\nThe extent of covid in china atm is just absurd. Two weeks ago, they had 37 MILLION cases in one day. Think about that. Thats more people than a lot of countries! \nsource", ">\n\nI wonder why China has so much trouble with COVID compared to other countries, despite being so strict.", ">\n\nIt’s because they had the zero covid approaches that people are advocating for in this thread and they suddenly reversed course. Everyone in China is getting it so fast its likely the same variants quickly spreading in a population that suddenly reversed course. Having many people getting it over time and exposed to new generations of the virus (which is what happens over time) is more insidious but people here think thats fine", ">\n\nEveryone saying this is racist, do not pay attention to the world", ">\n\nIt was called racist and xenophobic when Trump did it. The left are hypocritical emotional wrecks.", ">\n\nnah trump was racist or did you forget he called it the “china virus” and subsequent hate crimes increased against adians", ">\n\nLet’s not change the subject. We’re talking about testing travelers from China here. Always trying to deflect.", ">\n\nIs that what he did, though? That and nothing else? This is a Fox News headline, but I bet there's a lot more to it. There usually is.\nFYI, Italy is also requiring testing of travelers from China at this time.\nBecause of the high number of cases in China at this time.", ">\n\nSo many dumb replies here. I am sad about where humankind is at.", ">\n\nRound two people", ">\n\nWe need to ramp up testing again at border.", ">\n\nChina trying to stop Covid…lol! Fail miserably at that, build a huge infected population, then unleash it on the world. Great job China /s", ">\n\nSell then the Moderna vaccine so they can treat themselves, ans end this debacle.", ">\n\nEven if US send Moderna and Phizer vaccine, China will not use it, because they boast about \"superior\" Chinese vaccine and don't want to lose face.\n​\nUntil they change their attitude, I suggest keeping restriction in place for PRC travelers.", ">\n\nOh definitely.", ">\n\nCCP exporting covid again.", ">\n\nPaywall - can anyone help me read the article? It sounds great in theory but why wait so long? That’s how this all started in 2020. Test now!", ">\n\nChina has been in quarantine until the protests. They have a very low of vaccinated people, so now everyone's breathing on each other's necks, squeezing in tight places and now introducing another pandemic. \nI believe a combination of everyone quarantined for too long and non vaccinated people are making this a very deadly spread.", ">\n\nTheir vaccination rate is not too bad, except among the elderly. But their vaccine was shit even before all the variants.\nThey've been trying to use lockdown to prevent spread and with the new variants that just won't work.\nSo yeah, they're pretty fucked.", ">\n\nVaccination rate is good, but the rate of people who are up to date on boosters is where they fall short even beyond just the elderly. It also doesn't help that the vaccine being used is overall less effective than the ones being used elsewhere like you said. Makes those booster shots many are lacking even more critical.", ">\n\nApparently Americans only get worried when it’s Chinese people spreading Covid as opposed to their own residents, citizens and Europeans.", ">\n\nseems xenophobic /s", ">\n\noh I'm sure conservatives will be very concerned about the \"freedoms\" of those travelers from China", ">\n\nHow's this going to work for the 75% of all our manufactured goods coming in from China?", ">\n\nThank God Biden is doing this if it was Trump they call him racist .", ">\n\nTrump admin did this and it was hailed as a great idea, because it was. And is.\nWho tf cares who the man or president is when it comes to health? Why are some people like this?", ">\n\nYou know that wasnt true.", ">\n\nWhy would they make a move that would indisputably send hundreds of thousands of infected into the wider world including those that may wind up being infected with a new variant or two? \nCan we at least conclude that China does not care about this possibility? Is that verboten to say?\nCan an axiomatically correct statement still result in a ban?", ">\n\nSounds kinda racist.", ">\n\nMakes absolute sense considering what's currently going on there. Canada should do the same. I'll even go as far as say suspend visas / entry from that part of the world temporarily, until they can get it under control", ">\n\nMakes sense. China is exploding with covid and who knows if/when the next bad variant develops there.", ">\n\nLmao Reddit enjoying their shut in lives so much I’d rather jump off the tallest bridge near me before going into lockdowns again.", ">\n\nXenophobia", ">\n\nXenophobic Biden", ">\n\nPeople are acting like Covid stopped spreading in the US… The US just decided to ignore it, that is until China gained more cases, and now it’s back to fear mongering Chinese people. I see that xenophobia is still alive and well in the US.", ">\n\nMy family and I caught covid during Thanksgiving after being careful for two years. Fortunately, we're all vaccinated so the symptoms didn't hit us too hard. We just got lax with being careful, but we'll probably be wearing our masks in crowded places just to be safe.", ">\n\nI never stopped wearing masks in the US while going to stores. The reality is we have had waves of Covid here in the US, and we have had different mutations of variants too.", ">\n\nThats racist. Biden should be ashamed of himself for allowing such bigotry and hatred towards our Chinese brethren.", ">\n\nThis applies to anyone traveling from China, not just the Chinese.", ">\n\nI wouldn’t think another country was rascist if the USA had a huge surge and temporarily suspended flights to:from the USA until the numbers came down.", ">\n\nSame biological warfare when westerners were entering into China in 2022?", ">\n\n50 Cent army, out in full force!" ]
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[ "People from China will travel through Europe and come in to America from the east coast like they did when the pandemic started. This will do nothing if all travelers aboard aren’t made to test.", ">\n\nLet's hope EU and other countries do the same.", ">\n\nI don't know if they will. Australia (for example) had some of the toughest Covid policies and they've essentially just thrown them all out the window.\nSo I don't know how willing countries are to go back to being overly concerned about Covid.", ">\n\nThey should be concerned w chinese, it's spreading like wildfire in china. If we aren't careful, they will come out w covid 20.", ">\n\nIt’s spreading everywhere including the USA. This policy has nothing to do with science or medicine. It’s just politics.", ">\n\nNo. It’s circulating like mad in a population of 1 billion people who haven’t been exposed before. This is how new variants come about. Every country should require negative Covid test for china at least until it cycles through the population", ">\n\n\nNo. It’s circulating like mad in a population of 1 billion people who haven’t been exposed before.\n\nIt's also spreading like mad in all the countries of the world including the USA.\n\nThis is how new variants come about. \n\nAnd they have been for years now.\n\nEvery country should require negative Covid test for china at least until it cycles through the population\n\nOnly for political reasons. There is no scientific or rational demand for this. \nI get it, you hate china, most americans hate china so just be honest and say what you really mean.", ">\n\nStrains are spreading in the west yes, but there are new strains in China that are spreading and we don't know if our vaccines will work with those strains. We know the Chinese vaccines have a low efficacy rate and we know they are not mRNA vaccines which allow for easier adaptation to new strains. Making travelers with a Chinese passport take Covid tests at any and all airports is not racist or even unfair - a reminder that China has been relatively hard to travel to for the last 2 years because they were locked down to foreign travel as well. This is simply good policy from a public health measure, and you not wanting to see that for what it is and instead attribute it to a nascent American hatred for China is laughable. the World Health Organization estimated close to 800 million new cases in China in the next few months, with another estimate 4 million deaths and countless new strains coming out during that period. This is about protection populations, not punishing China.", ">\n\n\nStrains are spreading in the west yes, but there are new strains in China that are spreading and we don't know if our vaccines will work with those strains.\n\nYou don't know if vaccines work against any new variant even if that variant is from a country populated with white people.\n\nWe know the Chinese vaccines have a low efficacy rate and we know they are not mRNA vaccines which allow for easier adaptation to new strains. \n\nThe vaccine doesn't adapt once inside of your body you know that right?\n\nMaking travelers with a Chinese passport take Covid tests at any and all airports is not racist or even unfair \n\nit's definitely unfair and probably racist as well.\n\nhis is simply good policy from a public health measure, a\n\nA good policy would be to require vaccinations from everybody. Think about it, you are requiring a vaccine that you said doesn't even work. How much sense does that make?\n\nattribute it to a nascent American hatred for China is laughable.\n\nNascent?\n\nThis is about protection populations, not punishing China.\n\nIt's definitely about punishing china, it's a part of the current cold war with China conducted by the USA.", ">\n\n\nYou don't know if vaccines work against any new variant even if that variant is from a country populated with white people.\n\nAll the more reason to not invite more new strains into the country. White population or otherwise has nothing to do with it, expected rise in cases in China does.\n\nThe vaccine doesn't adapt once inside of your body you know that right?\n\nYou missed the point. The point i was making was that the Chinese medical system has not even approached Covid with an mRNA vaccine, and steadfastly refused to license western vaccines. If the vaccine most readily available in China has a 50% efficacy then the population is at more risk of contracting the virus and having negative results. The infection rates are increased with each new case of BA.7 (China is currently seeing each covid patient infecting on average 18 other people represented as 1:18, whereas the in US the rate is 1:3.9). Each of these factors increases the risk of developing new strains that are vaccine resistant. \n\nit's definitely unfair and probably racist as well\n\nIs it your position that nations cannot take any prescriptive action to prevent the spread of infected persons from other countries? Again i would remind you that China has basically been locked down for the last 2 years, with severe limitations to personal freedoms themselves. This is not based on race, but rather a government's inability to contain a contagious outbreak in their own country and not wanting it to spread. \n\nA good policy would be to require vaccinations from everybody. Think about it, you are requiring a vaccine that you said doesn't even work. How much sense does that make?\n\nThat might be your definition on good policy, but it isn't mine and that isn't how the west does it. \"I\" am not requiring a vaccine that \"I\" said doesn't work - that was your suggestion not mine. Also, i said the efficacy of the Chinese vaccine is 50% - based on available information - i never said it didn't work, and i never said that it should be mandatory or required.\n\nNascent?\n\nPoor and wrong word choice on my part it seems. What i meant was ascribing the US decision to require testing of Chinese travelers to racism because you believe that the US is racist is laughable. Taking a test to prove that you are covid negative is far less onerous on a traveler than most visa requirements.\n\nIt's definitely about punishing china, it's a part of the current cold war with China conducted by the USA.\n\nCite your sources. I could point to many Chinese government policies that i could say are part of the current cold war with the US without backing it up and it would be just as credible as what you said. Opinion is not a source, and not proof. You assume that the US government is racist, that this policy is racist and yet we have had travel bans imposed on other countries, as well as testing required for travelers from other countries imposed before, and other policies and so has China. For goodness sake China has been closed to foreigners for almost 3 years, and is still closed to foreign travel until January 2023. Is that a racist policy as well?", ">\n\nHere we go again.\nThis time I think I'll learn French cooking.", ">\n\n5000 People a day will have to die before Anybody says the word Lock down in the States ever again.", ">\n\nDon’t understand why people can’t handle staying at home for two weeks when it could potentially eradicate a deadly virus. Are we that weak?", ">\n\nWe did that in large part in March 2020. And did China not spend years locking down their citizens? \nPeoples savings are gone. They need to work. \nWearing a mask would do a lot to help the issue but people aren’t willing to do that anymore.", ">\n\nWe didn't do that though. We didn't all lock down when we were supposed to. Where I work I had to go in from the very start all the way through. Most people, the majority of people, didn't stay home even if they didn't have work. Most people didn't fuck with masks or keeping a distance, and even people who weren't antivaccers didn't take the vaccine seriously for the longest time. \nWe had no fucking lock down, unless you were a well-off celebrity or comedian who wanted to talk about being locked down for content. \nIf people legit locked down, they would have taken a small hit financially, but too many people didn't do shit and prolonged everything.", ">\n\nThe things is that it doesn't take long to drain peoples saving - becuase the overwhelming majority of people have practically none. \nSo an extended lockdown was never feasible unless the government was willing to pay several trillion dollars of expenses, not just 2 or 3 times but several times over.", ">\n\nI didn't dispute any of what you said. I pointed out that most people actively contested any safety measure and most people didn't actually lock down. Any extension will almost certainly be the fault of most of those people. \nI'd gladly let them all die if it meant the few people who did take things seriously didn't have to live through a Walking Dead scenario or have to take a huge financial hit because them.", ">\n\nMost people did lock down just fine initially. After a few weeks turned into a month or more, yeah people got testy.\nAdditionally, a gigantic amount of people work in critical industries and simply cant stay home. Just keeping the lights and water on requires tens of millions of workers, plus industries like plants and refineries that simply cannot shut down without massive long-term consequences.\nReddit is full of office people who can WFH, the vast majority of people cant.", ">\n\nI was one of those who couldn't stay home. Right out of the gate most people gave up on almost all of it except when they were making a show of complying when they had to. There was a lot of cheating. I walk through a lot of different areas. The waves of patients and bodies we got at work tracked with that and became predictable.", ">\n\nWhat’s that saying that ends with ”…doomed to repeat it?”", ">\n\nWhy not just require a negative test from everyone?", ">\n\nWho would you expect to pay for that?", ">\n\nGovernments or sponsors from the private sector ideally, I honestly don’t give a fuck. I’ve gotten many free tests from both and I’ve also bought some for like $8.", ">\n\n“Here we go again” from everyone in the comments. \nThe virus never stopped, we did.", ">\n\nVirus will always be there. Permanent restrictions are unsustainable", ">\n\n3 years later...\nIs this permanent?", ">\n\nI doubt there's anything that would make Republicans running in 2024 happier then Democrats advocating for a return to COVID restrictions.", ">\n\nRight? It’d be like the democrats fighting for gun control, or gay and trans rights, or safe and legal abortions. It would be political suicide to stand for something that Republicans don’t like!", ">\n\nMy understanding is that everything you listed is broadly popular or has at least a majority of American's in favor of it. A return to COVID restrictions is not in that category.", ">\n\nGun control isn’t even universally loved amongst the American left, as the hard left needs them for protection from the hard right they clash with, and the middle left does like having their guns taken as much as any middle right wing does, only mid left likes it", ">\n\nGallup has 57% of Americans feeling that in general gun laws should be more strict.", ">\n\nRegular people want kids to stop dying while in school. The problem is \"stricter laws\" is vague and no one can agree on what it means or give a serious proposal that would work, short of confiscation and bans, which are wildly unpopular.", ">\n\nVague political talking points is the best we’re going to get. Much as I’d love a Ross Perot style of breaking down every platform and promise, the general public doesn’t go for it. Buzz words are all we have the attention span for.", ">\n\nChina's COVID-19 surge raises odds of new coronavirus variants\nThings could get very ugly.", ">\n\nYou say this like covid hasn't been spreading rampantly through literally every country on the planet, mostly without any measures to stop the spread. Why does China get a different treatment and maybe countries should require tests from the US or Inida or Europe?", ">\n\nI agree. US was primarily the culprit of why COVID went rampant to begin with. We actively refused to enforce any sort of safety measures, just a mild suggestion of \"maybe wear a mask, if you want to, it's ok if you don't\" and \"we have vaccines if you want one, no pressure tho\". That was really our response to the world's deadliest pandemic.", ">\n\nWe actively made fun of zero covid approaches on reddit and now based on the comments on this thread we are suddenly pro “zero covid” approaches", ">\n\nEveryone finally watched contagion", ">\n\nSo far my 2023 bingo card is reading alooot of skull and crossbones, I think I might actually win at something next year, what does your score card look like?", ">\n\nWhen’s that $1200 going to hit my account?", ">\n\nI’m still living off mine from last time!", ">\n\nI’m still looking for mine", ">\n\nI’m waiting for that $600 bucks from Biden still, but that’s going right into my retirement!", ">\n\nYou dont get he meant to include any money you already received as well /s", ">\n\nI seem to remember campaign ads with $2000 checks.", ">\n\nYep they explicitly mentioned $2,000 checks.", ">\n\nMy comment was sarcasm but in retrospect there are so many neoliberals saying that word for word in all seriousness that I should and will add a sarcasm tag", ">\n\nThat's nice and all, but let's not act like we're not just ignoring our own COVID problems.", ">\n\n\n\"You don't have zero tolerance anymore? We can't tolerate that.\"\n\n- Country with 100% tolerance", ">\n\nWhy not require a negative COVID test from everyone entering the country? It’s like they don’t want COVID to be under control.", ">\n\nI think this is because China has a relatively low vaccination rate because they relied on lock downs. Now that lock downs are being ramped down, they are having a huge surge.", ">\n\nThe vaccination rate in China is considerably higher than the US (92% vs 81%). This is just another example of yellow peril", ">\n\nThank you for pointing this out. What I said above was wrong about the vaccination rate. I don’t know why exactly China is having a surge. 🤷‍♂️", ">\n\nTheir vaccination rate is high but their vaccine, SinoVac is based on old tech. It conveys effectively zero protection from variants when compared to all the other types of vaccines on the market.", ">\n\nYou guys are so full of shit. At 3 doses Sinovac gives the same protection as any western vaccine with boosters to help mitigate mutated variants. Stop spreading misinfo.", ">\n\n\"Does that thumbnail of someone getting tested read too much like 'screaming uselessly into the void'?\"\n\"I'm sure it'll be fine.\"", ">\n\nMaybe, just maybe they shouldnt have stopped testing airplane passengers in the first place... \nWe have cheap, readily available tests that take 10 minutes to complete. There’s really no reason not to test ever passenger before boarding...", ">\n\nEveryone I know who had Omicron tested negative until their symptoms cleared. It was evading the RATs, for some reason.", ">\n\nI tested positive on a rapid test two days after getting congested. Every teacher coworker of mine who bothered to test after getting cold symptoms also did. I think it's why so few parents now test their kids before sending time to school sick. They don't want to know so we all find out when we or our family members then test positive, missing work on their sick kids' behalf so they didn't have to. \nI have also heard the rapid test can give false negatives but anecdotal references don't mean much.", ">\n\nA day late and a dollar short. Same old song and dance.", ">\n\nWow, it’s like history literally repeating itself.", ">\n\nIndeed it is. I hope everyone is prepared for what’s next.", ">\n\nWe should require negative COVID tests for people to fly within the US, too.\nIt makes no difference to me if the person who infects me at LAX is coming in from China, or from Texas.", ">\n\nThere is a high chance anyone that comes from China has Covid right now. Low chance that someone inside America has.", ">\n\nNaw. China’s percent is much higher, sure, but it’s not like US infection rates are low. You can pretty much guarantee an infected American on every sold out domestic flight. The latest variants are super, super contagious, and it only takes one infected person to pose a serious risk to the other people sharing their space, and then all of their families and friends after they land. All flights should still require testing and masking at this point, or all we’ve really accomplished is pacifying the dimwits and xenophobes.\nI know at least 3 people who 100% contracted COVID while flying domestically in the US this last month - because they were isolated for the incubation period beforehand. They were masked the entire time they were in the airport and on the plane.", ">\n\nIf they were masked up and I assume vaccinated and still caught the virus then preventable measures like these aren’t that effective.", ">\n\nIs there a new strain of Covid that isn't in the U.S yet, otherwise what's the point.", ">\n\nUm testing should not ever stop.", ">\n\nAh shit here we go again", ">\n\n\"Who left the fridge open?\"", ">\n\nIt's \"just a cold\" unless it's a non-white person from another country carrying it.\n/s", ">\n\nChina implemented an ineffective vaccine and had 30m+ cases in one day. It’s specifically that gov. refusing to use effective vaccines", ">\n\nAnd the United States had effective vaccines that half the country is not willing to nor willing to wear masks, while complaining to other countries like China about their travel restrictions (from China and Hong Kong). And honestly I’m not oppose to a tighter restriction on China while they are experiencing a surge in new cases just as it did with any other countries that initially loosen covid restrictions, what makes me question this being race or politically motivated is the hypocrisy; people complained about China being oppressive when it was enforcing all the covid restrictions and when they loosen it “China doesn’t care about human lives”.\nSo what exactly do you want them to do?", ">\n\n\nto Require Negative Covid Tests for Travelers From China\n\nLuckily China is well known for its systemic unwillingness to fake or counterfeit things, so everything should be fine.\nhonest.", ">\n\nSeems purely retaliatory with no actual effectiveness.\nEnforcement is over a week away and presumably China has hit its peak already (flights being 40% positive)", ">\n\nThe rich rats are going to buy fake tests and jump ship breaking quarantine just like they did in the first wave. Cutting flights or enforcing quarantines is the only way to prevent this stuff from jumping oceans but god forbid anybody inhibit the jet setters.", ">\n\nHALF of the passengers on a plane from China going to Italy tested positive the other day (tested on arrival). Chances are most if not all of them had negative test results they could show that they took before they left. This won't do anything to stop people coming into the US while positive..we are going to have to go through this all over again and we won't have the same somewhat cooperative response in the US this time if it is a variant that evades immunity... It will get REALLY bad.", ">\n\nSeriously they know red states will just let them in and will never do another shut down again. So start dealt with out break countries this way to slow it down or corner it. But I see very very bad days ahead for China and Russia is starting to report out breaks too.", ">\n\nMust. When?", ">\n\nWe already require this from canada iirc\nEdit: i was wrong, canada requires it from us.", ">\n\nI hope we are talking PCR tests... those store-bought 15-minute ones struggle to get a positive if you have any sort of vaccination, even while symptomatic and miserable.", ">\n\nWell, a little bit of good news. I'll take it.", ">\n\nTravel should have been 100$ restricted a long time ago. Travel should be restricted to any country experiencing a COVID outbreak.", ">\n\nWonderful. Another round of Asian hating.", ">\n\nWho's hating on Asians? We're trying to stop this virus from killing people.", ">\n\nor… ban flights from china??", ">\n\nDoesn’t make sense in singling out China when covid is widespread in every single country", ">\n\nThe extent of covid in china atm is just absurd. Two weeks ago, they had 37 MILLION cases in one day. Think about that. Thats more people than a lot of countries! \nsource", ">\n\nI wonder why China has so much trouble with COVID compared to other countries, despite being so strict.", ">\n\nIt’s because they had the zero covid approaches that people are advocating for in this thread and they suddenly reversed course. Everyone in China is getting it so fast its likely the same variants quickly spreading in a population that suddenly reversed course. Having many people getting it over time and exposed to new generations of the virus (which is what happens over time) is more insidious but people here think thats fine", ">\n\nEveryone saying this is racist, do not pay attention to the world", ">\n\nIt was called racist and xenophobic when Trump did it. The left are hypocritical emotional wrecks.", ">\n\nnah trump was racist or did you forget he called it the “china virus” and subsequent hate crimes increased against adians", ">\n\nLet’s not change the subject. We’re talking about testing travelers from China here. Always trying to deflect.", ">\n\nIs that what he did, though? That and nothing else? This is a Fox News headline, but I bet there's a lot more to it. There usually is.\nFYI, Italy is also requiring testing of travelers from China at this time.\nBecause of the high number of cases in China at this time.", ">\n\nSo many dumb replies here. I am sad about where humankind is at.", ">\n\nRound two people", ">\n\nWe need to ramp up testing again at border.", ">\n\nChina trying to stop Covid…lol! Fail miserably at that, build a huge infected population, then unleash it on the world. Great job China /s", ">\n\nSell then the Moderna vaccine so they can treat themselves, ans end this debacle.", ">\n\nEven if US send Moderna and Phizer vaccine, China will not use it, because they boast about \"superior\" Chinese vaccine and don't want to lose face.\n​\nUntil they change their attitude, I suggest keeping restriction in place for PRC travelers.", ">\n\nOh definitely.", ">\n\nCCP exporting covid again.", ">\n\nPaywall - can anyone help me read the article? It sounds great in theory but why wait so long? That’s how this all started in 2020. Test now!", ">\n\nChina has been in quarantine until the protests. They have a very low of vaccinated people, so now everyone's breathing on each other's necks, squeezing in tight places and now introducing another pandemic. \nI believe a combination of everyone quarantined for too long and non vaccinated people are making this a very deadly spread.", ">\n\nTheir vaccination rate is not too bad, except among the elderly. But their vaccine was shit even before all the variants.\nThey've been trying to use lockdown to prevent spread and with the new variants that just won't work.\nSo yeah, they're pretty fucked.", ">\n\nVaccination rate is good, but the rate of people who are up to date on boosters is where they fall short even beyond just the elderly. It also doesn't help that the vaccine being used is overall less effective than the ones being used elsewhere like you said. Makes those booster shots many are lacking even more critical.", ">\n\nApparently Americans only get worried when it’s Chinese people spreading Covid as opposed to their own residents, citizens and Europeans.", ">\n\nseems xenophobic /s", ">\n\noh I'm sure conservatives will be very concerned about the \"freedoms\" of those travelers from China", ">\n\nHow's this going to work for the 75% of all our manufactured goods coming in from China?", ">\n\nThank God Biden is doing this if it was Trump they call him racist .", ">\n\nTrump admin did this and it was hailed as a great idea, because it was. And is.\nWho tf cares who the man or president is when it comes to health? Why are some people like this?", ">\n\nYou know that wasnt true.", ">\n\nWhy would they make a move that would indisputably send hundreds of thousands of infected into the wider world including those that may wind up being infected with a new variant or two? \nCan we at least conclude that China does not care about this possibility? Is that verboten to say?\nCan an axiomatically correct statement still result in a ban?", ">\n\nSounds kinda racist.", ">\n\nMakes absolute sense considering what's currently going on there. Canada should do the same. I'll even go as far as say suspend visas / entry from that part of the world temporarily, until they can get it under control", ">\n\nMakes sense. China is exploding with covid and who knows if/when the next bad variant develops there.", ">\n\nLmao Reddit enjoying their shut in lives so much I’d rather jump off the tallest bridge near me before going into lockdowns again.", ">\n\nXenophobia", ">\n\nXenophobic Biden", ">\n\nPeople are acting like Covid stopped spreading in the US… The US just decided to ignore it, that is until China gained more cases, and now it’s back to fear mongering Chinese people. I see that xenophobia is still alive and well in the US.", ">\n\nMy family and I caught covid during Thanksgiving after being careful for two years. Fortunately, we're all vaccinated so the symptoms didn't hit us too hard. We just got lax with being careful, but we'll probably be wearing our masks in crowded places just to be safe.", ">\n\nI never stopped wearing masks in the US while going to stores. The reality is we have had waves of Covid here in the US, and we have had different mutations of variants too.", ">\n\nThats racist. Biden should be ashamed of himself for allowing such bigotry and hatred towards our Chinese brethren.", ">\n\nThis applies to anyone traveling from China, not just the Chinese.", ">\n\nI wouldn’t think another country was rascist if the USA had a huge surge and temporarily suspended flights to:from the USA until the numbers came down.", ">\n\nSame biological warfare when westerners were entering into China in 2022?", ">\n\n50 Cent army, out in full force!", ">\n\nWhy are we letting anyone in from China?" ]
> Oh, here we go again.
[ "People from China will travel through Europe and come in to America from the east coast like they did when the pandemic started. This will do nothing if all travelers aboard aren’t made to test.", ">\n\nLet's hope EU and other countries do the same.", ">\n\nI don't know if they will. Australia (for example) had some of the toughest Covid policies and they've essentially just thrown them all out the window.\nSo I don't know how willing countries are to go back to being overly concerned about Covid.", ">\n\nThey should be concerned w chinese, it's spreading like wildfire in china. If we aren't careful, they will come out w covid 20.", ">\n\nIt’s spreading everywhere including the USA. This policy has nothing to do with science or medicine. It’s just politics.", ">\n\nNo. It’s circulating like mad in a population of 1 billion people who haven’t been exposed before. This is how new variants come about. Every country should require negative Covid test for china at least until it cycles through the population", ">\n\n\nNo. It’s circulating like mad in a population of 1 billion people who haven’t been exposed before.\n\nIt's also spreading like mad in all the countries of the world including the USA.\n\nThis is how new variants come about. \n\nAnd they have been for years now.\n\nEvery country should require negative Covid test for china at least until it cycles through the population\n\nOnly for political reasons. There is no scientific or rational demand for this. \nI get it, you hate china, most americans hate china so just be honest and say what you really mean.", ">\n\nStrains are spreading in the west yes, but there are new strains in China that are spreading and we don't know if our vaccines will work with those strains. We know the Chinese vaccines have a low efficacy rate and we know they are not mRNA vaccines which allow for easier adaptation to new strains. Making travelers with a Chinese passport take Covid tests at any and all airports is not racist or even unfair - a reminder that China has been relatively hard to travel to for the last 2 years because they were locked down to foreign travel as well. This is simply good policy from a public health measure, and you not wanting to see that for what it is and instead attribute it to a nascent American hatred for China is laughable. the World Health Organization estimated close to 800 million new cases in China in the next few months, with another estimate 4 million deaths and countless new strains coming out during that period. This is about protection populations, not punishing China.", ">\n\n\nStrains are spreading in the west yes, but there are new strains in China that are spreading and we don't know if our vaccines will work with those strains.\n\nYou don't know if vaccines work against any new variant even if that variant is from a country populated with white people.\n\nWe know the Chinese vaccines have a low efficacy rate and we know they are not mRNA vaccines which allow for easier adaptation to new strains. \n\nThe vaccine doesn't adapt once inside of your body you know that right?\n\nMaking travelers with a Chinese passport take Covid tests at any and all airports is not racist or even unfair \n\nit's definitely unfair and probably racist as well.\n\nhis is simply good policy from a public health measure, a\n\nA good policy would be to require vaccinations from everybody. Think about it, you are requiring a vaccine that you said doesn't even work. How much sense does that make?\n\nattribute it to a nascent American hatred for China is laughable.\n\nNascent?\n\nThis is about protection populations, not punishing China.\n\nIt's definitely about punishing china, it's a part of the current cold war with China conducted by the USA.", ">\n\n\nYou don't know if vaccines work against any new variant even if that variant is from a country populated with white people.\n\nAll the more reason to not invite more new strains into the country. White population or otherwise has nothing to do with it, expected rise in cases in China does.\n\nThe vaccine doesn't adapt once inside of your body you know that right?\n\nYou missed the point. The point i was making was that the Chinese medical system has not even approached Covid with an mRNA vaccine, and steadfastly refused to license western vaccines. If the vaccine most readily available in China has a 50% efficacy then the population is at more risk of contracting the virus and having negative results. The infection rates are increased with each new case of BA.7 (China is currently seeing each covid patient infecting on average 18 other people represented as 1:18, whereas the in US the rate is 1:3.9). Each of these factors increases the risk of developing new strains that are vaccine resistant. \n\nit's definitely unfair and probably racist as well\n\nIs it your position that nations cannot take any prescriptive action to prevent the spread of infected persons from other countries? Again i would remind you that China has basically been locked down for the last 2 years, with severe limitations to personal freedoms themselves. This is not based on race, but rather a government's inability to contain a contagious outbreak in their own country and not wanting it to spread. \n\nA good policy would be to require vaccinations from everybody. Think about it, you are requiring a vaccine that you said doesn't even work. How much sense does that make?\n\nThat might be your definition on good policy, but it isn't mine and that isn't how the west does it. \"I\" am not requiring a vaccine that \"I\" said doesn't work - that was your suggestion not mine. Also, i said the efficacy of the Chinese vaccine is 50% - based on available information - i never said it didn't work, and i never said that it should be mandatory or required.\n\nNascent?\n\nPoor and wrong word choice on my part it seems. What i meant was ascribing the US decision to require testing of Chinese travelers to racism because you believe that the US is racist is laughable. Taking a test to prove that you are covid negative is far less onerous on a traveler than most visa requirements.\n\nIt's definitely about punishing china, it's a part of the current cold war with China conducted by the USA.\n\nCite your sources. I could point to many Chinese government policies that i could say are part of the current cold war with the US without backing it up and it would be just as credible as what you said. Opinion is not a source, and not proof. You assume that the US government is racist, that this policy is racist and yet we have had travel bans imposed on other countries, as well as testing required for travelers from other countries imposed before, and other policies and so has China. For goodness sake China has been closed to foreigners for almost 3 years, and is still closed to foreign travel until January 2023. Is that a racist policy as well?", ">\n\nHere we go again.\nThis time I think I'll learn French cooking.", ">\n\n5000 People a day will have to die before Anybody says the word Lock down in the States ever again.", ">\n\nDon’t understand why people can’t handle staying at home for two weeks when it could potentially eradicate a deadly virus. Are we that weak?", ">\n\nWe did that in large part in March 2020. And did China not spend years locking down their citizens? \nPeoples savings are gone. They need to work. \nWearing a mask would do a lot to help the issue but people aren’t willing to do that anymore.", ">\n\nWe didn't do that though. We didn't all lock down when we were supposed to. Where I work I had to go in from the very start all the way through. Most people, the majority of people, didn't stay home even if they didn't have work. Most people didn't fuck with masks or keeping a distance, and even people who weren't antivaccers didn't take the vaccine seriously for the longest time. \nWe had no fucking lock down, unless you were a well-off celebrity or comedian who wanted to talk about being locked down for content. \nIf people legit locked down, they would have taken a small hit financially, but too many people didn't do shit and prolonged everything.", ">\n\nThe things is that it doesn't take long to drain peoples saving - becuase the overwhelming majority of people have practically none. \nSo an extended lockdown was never feasible unless the government was willing to pay several trillion dollars of expenses, not just 2 or 3 times but several times over.", ">\n\nI didn't dispute any of what you said. I pointed out that most people actively contested any safety measure and most people didn't actually lock down. Any extension will almost certainly be the fault of most of those people. \nI'd gladly let them all die if it meant the few people who did take things seriously didn't have to live through a Walking Dead scenario or have to take a huge financial hit because them.", ">\n\nMost people did lock down just fine initially. After a few weeks turned into a month or more, yeah people got testy.\nAdditionally, a gigantic amount of people work in critical industries and simply cant stay home. Just keeping the lights and water on requires tens of millions of workers, plus industries like plants and refineries that simply cannot shut down without massive long-term consequences.\nReddit is full of office people who can WFH, the vast majority of people cant.", ">\n\nI was one of those who couldn't stay home. Right out of the gate most people gave up on almost all of it except when they were making a show of complying when they had to. There was a lot of cheating. I walk through a lot of different areas. The waves of patients and bodies we got at work tracked with that and became predictable.", ">\n\nWhat’s that saying that ends with ”…doomed to repeat it?”", ">\n\nWhy not just require a negative test from everyone?", ">\n\nWho would you expect to pay for that?", ">\n\nGovernments or sponsors from the private sector ideally, I honestly don’t give a fuck. I’ve gotten many free tests from both and I’ve also bought some for like $8.", ">\n\n“Here we go again” from everyone in the comments. \nThe virus never stopped, we did.", ">\n\nVirus will always be there. Permanent restrictions are unsustainable", ">\n\n3 years later...\nIs this permanent?", ">\n\nI doubt there's anything that would make Republicans running in 2024 happier then Democrats advocating for a return to COVID restrictions.", ">\n\nRight? It’d be like the democrats fighting for gun control, or gay and trans rights, or safe and legal abortions. It would be political suicide to stand for something that Republicans don’t like!", ">\n\nMy understanding is that everything you listed is broadly popular or has at least a majority of American's in favor of it. A return to COVID restrictions is not in that category.", ">\n\nGun control isn’t even universally loved amongst the American left, as the hard left needs them for protection from the hard right they clash with, and the middle left does like having their guns taken as much as any middle right wing does, only mid left likes it", ">\n\nGallup has 57% of Americans feeling that in general gun laws should be more strict.", ">\n\nRegular people want kids to stop dying while in school. The problem is \"stricter laws\" is vague and no one can agree on what it means or give a serious proposal that would work, short of confiscation and bans, which are wildly unpopular.", ">\n\nVague political talking points is the best we’re going to get. Much as I’d love a Ross Perot style of breaking down every platform and promise, the general public doesn’t go for it. Buzz words are all we have the attention span for.", ">\n\nChina's COVID-19 surge raises odds of new coronavirus variants\nThings could get very ugly.", ">\n\nYou say this like covid hasn't been spreading rampantly through literally every country on the planet, mostly without any measures to stop the spread. Why does China get a different treatment and maybe countries should require tests from the US or Inida or Europe?", ">\n\nI agree. US was primarily the culprit of why COVID went rampant to begin with. We actively refused to enforce any sort of safety measures, just a mild suggestion of \"maybe wear a mask, if you want to, it's ok if you don't\" and \"we have vaccines if you want one, no pressure tho\". That was really our response to the world's deadliest pandemic.", ">\n\nWe actively made fun of zero covid approaches on reddit and now based on the comments on this thread we are suddenly pro “zero covid” approaches", ">\n\nEveryone finally watched contagion", ">\n\nSo far my 2023 bingo card is reading alooot of skull and crossbones, I think I might actually win at something next year, what does your score card look like?", ">\n\nWhen’s that $1200 going to hit my account?", ">\n\nI’m still living off mine from last time!", ">\n\nI’m still looking for mine", ">\n\nI’m waiting for that $600 bucks from Biden still, but that’s going right into my retirement!", ">\n\nYou dont get he meant to include any money you already received as well /s", ">\n\nI seem to remember campaign ads with $2000 checks.", ">\n\nYep they explicitly mentioned $2,000 checks.", ">\n\nMy comment was sarcasm but in retrospect there are so many neoliberals saying that word for word in all seriousness that I should and will add a sarcasm tag", ">\n\nThat's nice and all, but let's not act like we're not just ignoring our own COVID problems.", ">\n\n\n\"You don't have zero tolerance anymore? We can't tolerate that.\"\n\n- Country with 100% tolerance", ">\n\nWhy not require a negative COVID test from everyone entering the country? It’s like they don’t want COVID to be under control.", ">\n\nI think this is because China has a relatively low vaccination rate because they relied on lock downs. Now that lock downs are being ramped down, they are having a huge surge.", ">\n\nThe vaccination rate in China is considerably higher than the US (92% vs 81%). This is just another example of yellow peril", ">\n\nThank you for pointing this out. What I said above was wrong about the vaccination rate. I don’t know why exactly China is having a surge. 🤷‍♂️", ">\n\nTheir vaccination rate is high but their vaccine, SinoVac is based on old tech. It conveys effectively zero protection from variants when compared to all the other types of vaccines on the market.", ">\n\nYou guys are so full of shit. At 3 doses Sinovac gives the same protection as any western vaccine with boosters to help mitigate mutated variants. Stop spreading misinfo.", ">\n\n\"Does that thumbnail of someone getting tested read too much like 'screaming uselessly into the void'?\"\n\"I'm sure it'll be fine.\"", ">\n\nMaybe, just maybe they shouldnt have stopped testing airplane passengers in the first place... \nWe have cheap, readily available tests that take 10 minutes to complete. There’s really no reason not to test ever passenger before boarding...", ">\n\nEveryone I know who had Omicron tested negative until their symptoms cleared. It was evading the RATs, for some reason.", ">\n\nI tested positive on a rapid test two days after getting congested. Every teacher coworker of mine who bothered to test after getting cold symptoms also did. I think it's why so few parents now test their kids before sending time to school sick. They don't want to know so we all find out when we or our family members then test positive, missing work on their sick kids' behalf so they didn't have to. \nI have also heard the rapid test can give false negatives but anecdotal references don't mean much.", ">\n\nA day late and a dollar short. Same old song and dance.", ">\n\nWow, it’s like history literally repeating itself.", ">\n\nIndeed it is. I hope everyone is prepared for what’s next.", ">\n\nWe should require negative COVID tests for people to fly within the US, too.\nIt makes no difference to me if the person who infects me at LAX is coming in from China, or from Texas.", ">\n\nThere is a high chance anyone that comes from China has Covid right now. Low chance that someone inside America has.", ">\n\nNaw. China’s percent is much higher, sure, but it’s not like US infection rates are low. You can pretty much guarantee an infected American on every sold out domestic flight. The latest variants are super, super contagious, and it only takes one infected person to pose a serious risk to the other people sharing their space, and then all of their families and friends after they land. All flights should still require testing and masking at this point, or all we’ve really accomplished is pacifying the dimwits and xenophobes.\nI know at least 3 people who 100% contracted COVID while flying domestically in the US this last month - because they were isolated for the incubation period beforehand. They were masked the entire time they were in the airport and on the plane.", ">\n\nIf they were masked up and I assume vaccinated and still caught the virus then preventable measures like these aren’t that effective.", ">\n\nIs there a new strain of Covid that isn't in the U.S yet, otherwise what's the point.", ">\n\nUm testing should not ever stop.", ">\n\nAh shit here we go again", ">\n\n\"Who left the fridge open?\"", ">\n\nIt's \"just a cold\" unless it's a non-white person from another country carrying it.\n/s", ">\n\nChina implemented an ineffective vaccine and had 30m+ cases in one day. It’s specifically that gov. refusing to use effective vaccines", ">\n\nAnd the United States had effective vaccines that half the country is not willing to nor willing to wear masks, while complaining to other countries like China about their travel restrictions (from China and Hong Kong). And honestly I’m not oppose to a tighter restriction on China while they are experiencing a surge in new cases just as it did with any other countries that initially loosen covid restrictions, what makes me question this being race or politically motivated is the hypocrisy; people complained about China being oppressive when it was enforcing all the covid restrictions and when they loosen it “China doesn’t care about human lives”.\nSo what exactly do you want them to do?", ">\n\n\nto Require Negative Covid Tests for Travelers From China\n\nLuckily China is well known for its systemic unwillingness to fake or counterfeit things, so everything should be fine.\nhonest.", ">\n\nSeems purely retaliatory with no actual effectiveness.\nEnforcement is over a week away and presumably China has hit its peak already (flights being 40% positive)", ">\n\nThe rich rats are going to buy fake tests and jump ship breaking quarantine just like they did in the first wave. Cutting flights or enforcing quarantines is the only way to prevent this stuff from jumping oceans but god forbid anybody inhibit the jet setters.", ">\n\nHALF of the passengers on a plane from China going to Italy tested positive the other day (tested on arrival). Chances are most if not all of them had negative test results they could show that they took before they left. This won't do anything to stop people coming into the US while positive..we are going to have to go through this all over again and we won't have the same somewhat cooperative response in the US this time if it is a variant that evades immunity... It will get REALLY bad.", ">\n\nSeriously they know red states will just let them in and will never do another shut down again. So start dealt with out break countries this way to slow it down or corner it. But I see very very bad days ahead for China and Russia is starting to report out breaks too.", ">\n\nMust. When?", ">\n\nWe already require this from canada iirc\nEdit: i was wrong, canada requires it from us.", ">\n\nI hope we are talking PCR tests... those store-bought 15-minute ones struggle to get a positive if you have any sort of vaccination, even while symptomatic and miserable.", ">\n\nWell, a little bit of good news. I'll take it.", ">\n\nTravel should have been 100$ restricted a long time ago. Travel should be restricted to any country experiencing a COVID outbreak.", ">\n\nWonderful. Another round of Asian hating.", ">\n\nWho's hating on Asians? We're trying to stop this virus from killing people.", ">\n\nor… ban flights from china??", ">\n\nDoesn’t make sense in singling out China when covid is widespread in every single country", ">\n\nThe extent of covid in china atm is just absurd. Two weeks ago, they had 37 MILLION cases in one day. Think about that. Thats more people than a lot of countries! \nsource", ">\n\nI wonder why China has so much trouble with COVID compared to other countries, despite being so strict.", ">\n\nIt’s because they had the zero covid approaches that people are advocating for in this thread and they suddenly reversed course. Everyone in China is getting it so fast its likely the same variants quickly spreading in a population that suddenly reversed course. Having many people getting it over time and exposed to new generations of the virus (which is what happens over time) is more insidious but people here think thats fine", ">\n\nEveryone saying this is racist, do not pay attention to the world", ">\n\nIt was called racist and xenophobic when Trump did it. The left are hypocritical emotional wrecks.", ">\n\nnah trump was racist or did you forget he called it the “china virus” and subsequent hate crimes increased against adians", ">\n\nLet’s not change the subject. We’re talking about testing travelers from China here. Always trying to deflect.", ">\n\nIs that what he did, though? That and nothing else? This is a Fox News headline, but I bet there's a lot more to it. There usually is.\nFYI, Italy is also requiring testing of travelers from China at this time.\nBecause of the high number of cases in China at this time.", ">\n\nSo many dumb replies here. I am sad about where humankind is at.", ">\n\nRound two people", ">\n\nWe need to ramp up testing again at border.", ">\n\nChina trying to stop Covid…lol! Fail miserably at that, build a huge infected population, then unleash it on the world. Great job China /s", ">\n\nSell then the Moderna vaccine so they can treat themselves, ans end this debacle.", ">\n\nEven if US send Moderna and Phizer vaccine, China will not use it, because they boast about \"superior\" Chinese vaccine and don't want to lose face.\n​\nUntil they change their attitude, I suggest keeping restriction in place for PRC travelers.", ">\n\nOh definitely.", ">\n\nCCP exporting covid again.", ">\n\nPaywall - can anyone help me read the article? It sounds great in theory but why wait so long? That’s how this all started in 2020. Test now!", ">\n\nChina has been in quarantine until the protests. They have a very low of vaccinated people, so now everyone's breathing on each other's necks, squeezing in tight places and now introducing another pandemic. \nI believe a combination of everyone quarantined for too long and non vaccinated people are making this a very deadly spread.", ">\n\nTheir vaccination rate is not too bad, except among the elderly. But their vaccine was shit even before all the variants.\nThey've been trying to use lockdown to prevent spread and with the new variants that just won't work.\nSo yeah, they're pretty fucked.", ">\n\nVaccination rate is good, but the rate of people who are up to date on boosters is where they fall short even beyond just the elderly. It also doesn't help that the vaccine being used is overall less effective than the ones being used elsewhere like you said. Makes those booster shots many are lacking even more critical.", ">\n\nApparently Americans only get worried when it’s Chinese people spreading Covid as opposed to their own residents, citizens and Europeans.", ">\n\nseems xenophobic /s", ">\n\noh I'm sure conservatives will be very concerned about the \"freedoms\" of those travelers from China", ">\n\nHow's this going to work for the 75% of all our manufactured goods coming in from China?", ">\n\nThank God Biden is doing this if it was Trump they call him racist .", ">\n\nTrump admin did this and it was hailed as a great idea, because it was. And is.\nWho tf cares who the man or president is when it comes to health? Why are some people like this?", ">\n\nYou know that wasnt true.", ">\n\nWhy would they make a move that would indisputably send hundreds of thousands of infected into the wider world including those that may wind up being infected with a new variant or two? \nCan we at least conclude that China does not care about this possibility? Is that verboten to say?\nCan an axiomatically correct statement still result in a ban?", ">\n\nSounds kinda racist.", ">\n\nMakes absolute sense considering what's currently going on there. Canada should do the same. I'll even go as far as say suspend visas / entry from that part of the world temporarily, until they can get it under control", ">\n\nMakes sense. China is exploding with covid and who knows if/when the next bad variant develops there.", ">\n\nLmao Reddit enjoying their shut in lives so much I’d rather jump off the tallest bridge near me before going into lockdowns again.", ">\n\nXenophobia", ">\n\nXenophobic Biden", ">\n\nPeople are acting like Covid stopped spreading in the US… The US just decided to ignore it, that is until China gained more cases, and now it’s back to fear mongering Chinese people. I see that xenophobia is still alive and well in the US.", ">\n\nMy family and I caught covid during Thanksgiving after being careful for two years. Fortunately, we're all vaccinated so the symptoms didn't hit us too hard. We just got lax with being careful, but we'll probably be wearing our masks in crowded places just to be safe.", ">\n\nI never stopped wearing masks in the US while going to stores. The reality is we have had waves of Covid here in the US, and we have had different mutations of variants too.", ">\n\nThats racist. Biden should be ashamed of himself for allowing such bigotry and hatred towards our Chinese brethren.", ">\n\nThis applies to anyone traveling from China, not just the Chinese.", ">\n\nI wouldn’t think another country was rascist if the USA had a huge surge and temporarily suspended flights to:from the USA until the numbers came down.", ">\n\nSame biological warfare when westerners were entering into China in 2022?", ">\n\n50 Cent army, out in full force!", ">\n\nWhy are we letting anyone in from China?", ">\n\nCitizens and most permanent residents cannot be refused admission." ]
> Kind of ironic seeing how the US has worse cases lmao
[ "People from China will travel through Europe and come in to America from the east coast like they did when the pandemic started. This will do nothing if all travelers aboard aren’t made to test.", ">\n\nLet's hope EU and other countries do the same.", ">\n\nI don't know if they will. Australia (for example) had some of the toughest Covid policies and they've essentially just thrown them all out the window.\nSo I don't know how willing countries are to go back to being overly concerned about Covid.", ">\n\nThey should be concerned w chinese, it's spreading like wildfire in china. If we aren't careful, they will come out w covid 20.", ">\n\nIt’s spreading everywhere including the USA. This policy has nothing to do with science or medicine. It’s just politics.", ">\n\nNo. It’s circulating like mad in a population of 1 billion people who haven’t been exposed before. This is how new variants come about. Every country should require negative Covid test for china at least until it cycles through the population", ">\n\n\nNo. It’s circulating like mad in a population of 1 billion people who haven’t been exposed before.\n\nIt's also spreading like mad in all the countries of the world including the USA.\n\nThis is how new variants come about. \n\nAnd they have been for years now.\n\nEvery country should require negative Covid test for china at least until it cycles through the population\n\nOnly for political reasons. There is no scientific or rational demand for this. \nI get it, you hate china, most americans hate china so just be honest and say what you really mean.", ">\n\nStrains are spreading in the west yes, but there are new strains in China that are spreading and we don't know if our vaccines will work with those strains. We know the Chinese vaccines have a low efficacy rate and we know they are not mRNA vaccines which allow for easier adaptation to new strains. Making travelers with a Chinese passport take Covid tests at any and all airports is not racist or even unfair - a reminder that China has been relatively hard to travel to for the last 2 years because they were locked down to foreign travel as well. This is simply good policy from a public health measure, and you not wanting to see that for what it is and instead attribute it to a nascent American hatred for China is laughable. the World Health Organization estimated close to 800 million new cases in China in the next few months, with another estimate 4 million deaths and countless new strains coming out during that period. This is about protection populations, not punishing China.", ">\n\n\nStrains are spreading in the west yes, but there are new strains in China that are spreading and we don't know if our vaccines will work with those strains.\n\nYou don't know if vaccines work against any new variant even if that variant is from a country populated with white people.\n\nWe know the Chinese vaccines have a low efficacy rate and we know they are not mRNA vaccines which allow for easier adaptation to new strains. \n\nThe vaccine doesn't adapt once inside of your body you know that right?\n\nMaking travelers with a Chinese passport take Covid tests at any and all airports is not racist or even unfair \n\nit's definitely unfair and probably racist as well.\n\nhis is simply good policy from a public health measure, a\n\nA good policy would be to require vaccinations from everybody. Think about it, you are requiring a vaccine that you said doesn't even work. How much sense does that make?\n\nattribute it to a nascent American hatred for China is laughable.\n\nNascent?\n\nThis is about protection populations, not punishing China.\n\nIt's definitely about punishing china, it's a part of the current cold war with China conducted by the USA.", ">\n\n\nYou don't know if vaccines work against any new variant even if that variant is from a country populated with white people.\n\nAll the more reason to not invite more new strains into the country. White population or otherwise has nothing to do with it, expected rise in cases in China does.\n\nThe vaccine doesn't adapt once inside of your body you know that right?\n\nYou missed the point. The point i was making was that the Chinese medical system has not even approached Covid with an mRNA vaccine, and steadfastly refused to license western vaccines. If the vaccine most readily available in China has a 50% efficacy then the population is at more risk of contracting the virus and having negative results. The infection rates are increased with each new case of BA.7 (China is currently seeing each covid patient infecting on average 18 other people represented as 1:18, whereas the in US the rate is 1:3.9). Each of these factors increases the risk of developing new strains that are vaccine resistant. \n\nit's definitely unfair and probably racist as well\n\nIs it your position that nations cannot take any prescriptive action to prevent the spread of infected persons from other countries? Again i would remind you that China has basically been locked down for the last 2 years, with severe limitations to personal freedoms themselves. This is not based on race, but rather a government's inability to contain a contagious outbreak in their own country and not wanting it to spread. \n\nA good policy would be to require vaccinations from everybody. Think about it, you are requiring a vaccine that you said doesn't even work. How much sense does that make?\n\nThat might be your definition on good policy, but it isn't mine and that isn't how the west does it. \"I\" am not requiring a vaccine that \"I\" said doesn't work - that was your suggestion not mine. Also, i said the efficacy of the Chinese vaccine is 50% - based on available information - i never said it didn't work, and i never said that it should be mandatory or required.\n\nNascent?\n\nPoor and wrong word choice on my part it seems. What i meant was ascribing the US decision to require testing of Chinese travelers to racism because you believe that the US is racist is laughable. Taking a test to prove that you are covid negative is far less onerous on a traveler than most visa requirements.\n\nIt's definitely about punishing china, it's a part of the current cold war with China conducted by the USA.\n\nCite your sources. I could point to many Chinese government policies that i could say are part of the current cold war with the US without backing it up and it would be just as credible as what you said. Opinion is not a source, and not proof. You assume that the US government is racist, that this policy is racist and yet we have had travel bans imposed on other countries, as well as testing required for travelers from other countries imposed before, and other policies and so has China. For goodness sake China has been closed to foreigners for almost 3 years, and is still closed to foreign travel until January 2023. Is that a racist policy as well?", ">\n\nHere we go again.\nThis time I think I'll learn French cooking.", ">\n\n5000 People a day will have to die before Anybody says the word Lock down in the States ever again.", ">\n\nDon’t understand why people can’t handle staying at home for two weeks when it could potentially eradicate a deadly virus. Are we that weak?", ">\n\nWe did that in large part in March 2020. And did China not spend years locking down their citizens? \nPeoples savings are gone. They need to work. \nWearing a mask would do a lot to help the issue but people aren’t willing to do that anymore.", ">\n\nWe didn't do that though. We didn't all lock down when we were supposed to. Where I work I had to go in from the very start all the way through. Most people, the majority of people, didn't stay home even if they didn't have work. Most people didn't fuck with masks or keeping a distance, and even people who weren't antivaccers didn't take the vaccine seriously for the longest time. \nWe had no fucking lock down, unless you were a well-off celebrity or comedian who wanted to talk about being locked down for content. \nIf people legit locked down, they would have taken a small hit financially, but too many people didn't do shit and prolonged everything.", ">\n\nThe things is that it doesn't take long to drain peoples saving - becuase the overwhelming majority of people have practically none. \nSo an extended lockdown was never feasible unless the government was willing to pay several trillion dollars of expenses, not just 2 or 3 times but several times over.", ">\n\nI didn't dispute any of what you said. I pointed out that most people actively contested any safety measure and most people didn't actually lock down. Any extension will almost certainly be the fault of most of those people. \nI'd gladly let them all die if it meant the few people who did take things seriously didn't have to live through a Walking Dead scenario or have to take a huge financial hit because them.", ">\n\nMost people did lock down just fine initially. After a few weeks turned into a month or more, yeah people got testy.\nAdditionally, a gigantic amount of people work in critical industries and simply cant stay home. Just keeping the lights and water on requires tens of millions of workers, plus industries like plants and refineries that simply cannot shut down without massive long-term consequences.\nReddit is full of office people who can WFH, the vast majority of people cant.", ">\n\nI was one of those who couldn't stay home. Right out of the gate most people gave up on almost all of it except when they were making a show of complying when they had to. There was a lot of cheating. I walk through a lot of different areas. The waves of patients and bodies we got at work tracked with that and became predictable.", ">\n\nWhat’s that saying that ends with ”…doomed to repeat it?”", ">\n\nWhy not just require a negative test from everyone?", ">\n\nWho would you expect to pay for that?", ">\n\nGovernments or sponsors from the private sector ideally, I honestly don’t give a fuck. I’ve gotten many free tests from both and I’ve also bought some for like $8.", ">\n\n“Here we go again” from everyone in the comments. \nThe virus never stopped, we did.", ">\n\nVirus will always be there. Permanent restrictions are unsustainable", ">\n\n3 years later...\nIs this permanent?", ">\n\nI doubt there's anything that would make Republicans running in 2024 happier then Democrats advocating for a return to COVID restrictions.", ">\n\nRight? It’d be like the democrats fighting for gun control, or gay and trans rights, or safe and legal abortions. It would be political suicide to stand for something that Republicans don’t like!", ">\n\nMy understanding is that everything you listed is broadly popular or has at least a majority of American's in favor of it. A return to COVID restrictions is not in that category.", ">\n\nGun control isn’t even universally loved amongst the American left, as the hard left needs them for protection from the hard right they clash with, and the middle left does like having their guns taken as much as any middle right wing does, only mid left likes it", ">\n\nGallup has 57% of Americans feeling that in general gun laws should be more strict.", ">\n\nRegular people want kids to stop dying while in school. The problem is \"stricter laws\" is vague and no one can agree on what it means or give a serious proposal that would work, short of confiscation and bans, which are wildly unpopular.", ">\n\nVague political talking points is the best we’re going to get. Much as I’d love a Ross Perot style of breaking down every platform and promise, the general public doesn’t go for it. Buzz words are all we have the attention span for.", ">\n\nChina's COVID-19 surge raises odds of new coronavirus variants\nThings could get very ugly.", ">\n\nYou say this like covid hasn't been spreading rampantly through literally every country on the planet, mostly without any measures to stop the spread. Why does China get a different treatment and maybe countries should require tests from the US or Inida or Europe?", ">\n\nI agree. US was primarily the culprit of why COVID went rampant to begin with. We actively refused to enforce any sort of safety measures, just a mild suggestion of \"maybe wear a mask, if you want to, it's ok if you don't\" and \"we have vaccines if you want one, no pressure tho\". That was really our response to the world's deadliest pandemic.", ">\n\nWe actively made fun of zero covid approaches on reddit and now based on the comments on this thread we are suddenly pro “zero covid” approaches", ">\n\nEveryone finally watched contagion", ">\n\nSo far my 2023 bingo card is reading alooot of skull and crossbones, I think I might actually win at something next year, what does your score card look like?", ">\n\nWhen’s that $1200 going to hit my account?", ">\n\nI’m still living off mine from last time!", ">\n\nI’m still looking for mine", ">\n\nI’m waiting for that $600 bucks from Biden still, but that’s going right into my retirement!", ">\n\nYou dont get he meant to include any money you already received as well /s", ">\n\nI seem to remember campaign ads with $2000 checks.", ">\n\nYep they explicitly mentioned $2,000 checks.", ">\n\nMy comment was sarcasm but in retrospect there are so many neoliberals saying that word for word in all seriousness that I should and will add a sarcasm tag", ">\n\nThat's nice and all, but let's not act like we're not just ignoring our own COVID problems.", ">\n\n\n\"You don't have zero tolerance anymore? We can't tolerate that.\"\n\n- Country with 100% tolerance", ">\n\nWhy not require a negative COVID test from everyone entering the country? It’s like they don’t want COVID to be under control.", ">\n\nI think this is because China has a relatively low vaccination rate because they relied on lock downs. Now that lock downs are being ramped down, they are having a huge surge.", ">\n\nThe vaccination rate in China is considerably higher than the US (92% vs 81%). This is just another example of yellow peril", ">\n\nThank you for pointing this out. What I said above was wrong about the vaccination rate. I don’t know why exactly China is having a surge. 🤷‍♂️", ">\n\nTheir vaccination rate is high but their vaccine, SinoVac is based on old tech. It conveys effectively zero protection from variants when compared to all the other types of vaccines on the market.", ">\n\nYou guys are so full of shit. At 3 doses Sinovac gives the same protection as any western vaccine with boosters to help mitigate mutated variants. Stop spreading misinfo.", ">\n\n\"Does that thumbnail of someone getting tested read too much like 'screaming uselessly into the void'?\"\n\"I'm sure it'll be fine.\"", ">\n\nMaybe, just maybe they shouldnt have stopped testing airplane passengers in the first place... \nWe have cheap, readily available tests that take 10 minutes to complete. There’s really no reason not to test ever passenger before boarding...", ">\n\nEveryone I know who had Omicron tested negative until their symptoms cleared. It was evading the RATs, for some reason.", ">\n\nI tested positive on a rapid test two days after getting congested. Every teacher coworker of mine who bothered to test after getting cold symptoms also did. I think it's why so few parents now test their kids before sending time to school sick. They don't want to know so we all find out when we or our family members then test positive, missing work on their sick kids' behalf so they didn't have to. \nI have also heard the rapid test can give false negatives but anecdotal references don't mean much.", ">\n\nA day late and a dollar short. Same old song and dance.", ">\n\nWow, it’s like history literally repeating itself.", ">\n\nIndeed it is. I hope everyone is prepared for what’s next.", ">\n\nWe should require negative COVID tests for people to fly within the US, too.\nIt makes no difference to me if the person who infects me at LAX is coming in from China, or from Texas.", ">\n\nThere is a high chance anyone that comes from China has Covid right now. Low chance that someone inside America has.", ">\n\nNaw. China’s percent is much higher, sure, but it’s not like US infection rates are low. You can pretty much guarantee an infected American on every sold out domestic flight. The latest variants are super, super contagious, and it only takes one infected person to pose a serious risk to the other people sharing their space, and then all of their families and friends after they land. All flights should still require testing and masking at this point, or all we’ve really accomplished is pacifying the dimwits and xenophobes.\nI know at least 3 people who 100% contracted COVID while flying domestically in the US this last month - because they were isolated for the incubation period beforehand. They were masked the entire time they were in the airport and on the plane.", ">\n\nIf they were masked up and I assume vaccinated and still caught the virus then preventable measures like these aren’t that effective.", ">\n\nIs there a new strain of Covid that isn't in the U.S yet, otherwise what's the point.", ">\n\nUm testing should not ever stop.", ">\n\nAh shit here we go again", ">\n\n\"Who left the fridge open?\"", ">\n\nIt's \"just a cold\" unless it's a non-white person from another country carrying it.\n/s", ">\n\nChina implemented an ineffective vaccine and had 30m+ cases in one day. It’s specifically that gov. refusing to use effective vaccines", ">\n\nAnd the United States had effective vaccines that half the country is not willing to nor willing to wear masks, while complaining to other countries like China about their travel restrictions (from China and Hong Kong). And honestly I’m not oppose to a tighter restriction on China while they are experiencing a surge in new cases just as it did with any other countries that initially loosen covid restrictions, what makes me question this being race or politically motivated is the hypocrisy; people complained about China being oppressive when it was enforcing all the covid restrictions and when they loosen it “China doesn’t care about human lives”.\nSo what exactly do you want them to do?", ">\n\n\nto Require Negative Covid Tests for Travelers From China\n\nLuckily China is well known for its systemic unwillingness to fake or counterfeit things, so everything should be fine.\nhonest.", ">\n\nSeems purely retaliatory with no actual effectiveness.\nEnforcement is over a week away and presumably China has hit its peak already (flights being 40% positive)", ">\n\nThe rich rats are going to buy fake tests and jump ship breaking quarantine just like they did in the first wave. Cutting flights or enforcing quarantines is the only way to prevent this stuff from jumping oceans but god forbid anybody inhibit the jet setters.", ">\n\nHALF of the passengers on a plane from China going to Italy tested positive the other day (tested on arrival). Chances are most if not all of them had negative test results they could show that they took before they left. This won't do anything to stop people coming into the US while positive..we are going to have to go through this all over again and we won't have the same somewhat cooperative response in the US this time if it is a variant that evades immunity... It will get REALLY bad.", ">\n\nSeriously they know red states will just let them in and will never do another shut down again. So start dealt with out break countries this way to slow it down or corner it. But I see very very bad days ahead for China and Russia is starting to report out breaks too.", ">\n\nMust. When?", ">\n\nWe already require this from canada iirc\nEdit: i was wrong, canada requires it from us.", ">\n\nI hope we are talking PCR tests... those store-bought 15-minute ones struggle to get a positive if you have any sort of vaccination, even while symptomatic and miserable.", ">\n\nWell, a little bit of good news. I'll take it.", ">\n\nTravel should have been 100$ restricted a long time ago. Travel should be restricted to any country experiencing a COVID outbreak.", ">\n\nWonderful. Another round of Asian hating.", ">\n\nWho's hating on Asians? We're trying to stop this virus from killing people.", ">\n\nor… ban flights from china??", ">\n\nDoesn’t make sense in singling out China when covid is widespread in every single country", ">\n\nThe extent of covid in china atm is just absurd. Two weeks ago, they had 37 MILLION cases in one day. Think about that. Thats more people than a lot of countries! \nsource", ">\n\nI wonder why China has so much trouble with COVID compared to other countries, despite being so strict.", ">\n\nIt’s because they had the zero covid approaches that people are advocating for in this thread and they suddenly reversed course. Everyone in China is getting it so fast its likely the same variants quickly spreading in a population that suddenly reversed course. Having many people getting it over time and exposed to new generations of the virus (which is what happens over time) is more insidious but people here think thats fine", ">\n\nEveryone saying this is racist, do not pay attention to the world", ">\n\nIt was called racist and xenophobic when Trump did it. The left are hypocritical emotional wrecks.", ">\n\nnah trump was racist or did you forget he called it the “china virus” and subsequent hate crimes increased against adians", ">\n\nLet’s not change the subject. We’re talking about testing travelers from China here. Always trying to deflect.", ">\n\nIs that what he did, though? That and nothing else? This is a Fox News headline, but I bet there's a lot more to it. There usually is.\nFYI, Italy is also requiring testing of travelers from China at this time.\nBecause of the high number of cases in China at this time.", ">\n\nSo many dumb replies here. I am sad about where humankind is at.", ">\n\nRound two people", ">\n\nWe need to ramp up testing again at border.", ">\n\nChina trying to stop Covid…lol! Fail miserably at that, build a huge infected population, then unleash it on the world. Great job China /s", ">\n\nSell then the Moderna vaccine so they can treat themselves, ans end this debacle.", ">\n\nEven if US send Moderna and Phizer vaccine, China will not use it, because they boast about \"superior\" Chinese vaccine and don't want to lose face.\n​\nUntil they change their attitude, I suggest keeping restriction in place for PRC travelers.", ">\n\nOh definitely.", ">\n\nCCP exporting covid again.", ">\n\nPaywall - can anyone help me read the article? It sounds great in theory but why wait so long? That’s how this all started in 2020. Test now!", ">\n\nChina has been in quarantine until the protests. They have a very low of vaccinated people, so now everyone's breathing on each other's necks, squeezing in tight places and now introducing another pandemic. \nI believe a combination of everyone quarantined for too long and non vaccinated people are making this a very deadly spread.", ">\n\nTheir vaccination rate is not too bad, except among the elderly. But their vaccine was shit even before all the variants.\nThey've been trying to use lockdown to prevent spread and with the new variants that just won't work.\nSo yeah, they're pretty fucked.", ">\n\nVaccination rate is good, but the rate of people who are up to date on boosters is where they fall short even beyond just the elderly. It also doesn't help that the vaccine being used is overall less effective than the ones being used elsewhere like you said. Makes those booster shots many are lacking even more critical.", ">\n\nApparently Americans only get worried when it’s Chinese people spreading Covid as opposed to their own residents, citizens and Europeans.", ">\n\nseems xenophobic /s", ">\n\noh I'm sure conservatives will be very concerned about the \"freedoms\" of those travelers from China", ">\n\nHow's this going to work for the 75% of all our manufactured goods coming in from China?", ">\n\nThank God Biden is doing this if it was Trump they call him racist .", ">\n\nTrump admin did this and it was hailed as a great idea, because it was. And is.\nWho tf cares who the man or president is when it comes to health? Why are some people like this?", ">\n\nYou know that wasnt true.", ">\n\nWhy would they make a move that would indisputably send hundreds of thousands of infected into the wider world including those that may wind up being infected with a new variant or two? \nCan we at least conclude that China does not care about this possibility? Is that verboten to say?\nCan an axiomatically correct statement still result in a ban?", ">\n\nSounds kinda racist.", ">\n\nMakes absolute sense considering what's currently going on there. Canada should do the same. I'll even go as far as say suspend visas / entry from that part of the world temporarily, until they can get it under control", ">\n\nMakes sense. China is exploding with covid and who knows if/when the next bad variant develops there.", ">\n\nLmao Reddit enjoying their shut in lives so much I’d rather jump off the tallest bridge near me before going into lockdowns again.", ">\n\nXenophobia", ">\n\nXenophobic Biden", ">\n\nPeople are acting like Covid stopped spreading in the US… The US just decided to ignore it, that is until China gained more cases, and now it’s back to fear mongering Chinese people. I see that xenophobia is still alive and well in the US.", ">\n\nMy family and I caught covid during Thanksgiving after being careful for two years. Fortunately, we're all vaccinated so the symptoms didn't hit us too hard. We just got lax with being careful, but we'll probably be wearing our masks in crowded places just to be safe.", ">\n\nI never stopped wearing masks in the US while going to stores. The reality is we have had waves of Covid here in the US, and we have had different mutations of variants too.", ">\n\nThats racist. Biden should be ashamed of himself for allowing such bigotry and hatred towards our Chinese brethren.", ">\n\nThis applies to anyone traveling from China, not just the Chinese.", ">\n\nI wouldn’t think another country was rascist if the USA had a huge surge and temporarily suspended flights to:from the USA until the numbers came down.", ">\n\nSame biological warfare when westerners were entering into China in 2022?", ">\n\n50 Cent army, out in full force!", ">\n\nWhy are we letting anyone in from China?", ">\n\nCitizens and most permanent residents cannot be refused admission.", ">\n\nOh, here we go again." ]
> US will keep up the bio attacks until the world complies with their foreign policy. Which is to keep China from becoming a threat to its hegemony
[ "People from China will travel through Europe and come in to America from the east coast like they did when the pandemic started. This will do nothing if all travelers aboard aren’t made to test.", ">\n\nLet's hope EU and other countries do the same.", ">\n\nI don't know if they will. Australia (for example) had some of the toughest Covid policies and they've essentially just thrown them all out the window.\nSo I don't know how willing countries are to go back to being overly concerned about Covid.", ">\n\nThey should be concerned w chinese, it's spreading like wildfire in china. If we aren't careful, they will come out w covid 20.", ">\n\nIt’s spreading everywhere including the USA. This policy has nothing to do with science or medicine. It’s just politics.", ">\n\nNo. It’s circulating like mad in a population of 1 billion people who haven’t been exposed before. This is how new variants come about. Every country should require negative Covid test for china at least until it cycles through the population", ">\n\n\nNo. It’s circulating like mad in a population of 1 billion people who haven’t been exposed before.\n\nIt's also spreading like mad in all the countries of the world including the USA.\n\nThis is how new variants come about. \n\nAnd they have been for years now.\n\nEvery country should require negative Covid test for china at least until it cycles through the population\n\nOnly for political reasons. There is no scientific or rational demand for this. \nI get it, you hate china, most americans hate china so just be honest and say what you really mean.", ">\n\nStrains are spreading in the west yes, but there are new strains in China that are spreading and we don't know if our vaccines will work with those strains. We know the Chinese vaccines have a low efficacy rate and we know they are not mRNA vaccines which allow for easier adaptation to new strains. Making travelers with a Chinese passport take Covid tests at any and all airports is not racist or even unfair - a reminder that China has been relatively hard to travel to for the last 2 years because they were locked down to foreign travel as well. This is simply good policy from a public health measure, and you not wanting to see that for what it is and instead attribute it to a nascent American hatred for China is laughable. the World Health Organization estimated close to 800 million new cases in China in the next few months, with another estimate 4 million deaths and countless new strains coming out during that period. This is about protection populations, not punishing China.", ">\n\n\nStrains are spreading in the west yes, but there are new strains in China that are spreading and we don't know if our vaccines will work with those strains.\n\nYou don't know if vaccines work against any new variant even if that variant is from a country populated with white people.\n\nWe know the Chinese vaccines have a low efficacy rate and we know they are not mRNA vaccines which allow for easier adaptation to new strains. \n\nThe vaccine doesn't adapt once inside of your body you know that right?\n\nMaking travelers with a Chinese passport take Covid tests at any and all airports is not racist or even unfair \n\nit's definitely unfair and probably racist as well.\n\nhis is simply good policy from a public health measure, a\n\nA good policy would be to require vaccinations from everybody. Think about it, you are requiring a vaccine that you said doesn't even work. How much sense does that make?\n\nattribute it to a nascent American hatred for China is laughable.\n\nNascent?\n\nThis is about protection populations, not punishing China.\n\nIt's definitely about punishing china, it's a part of the current cold war with China conducted by the USA.", ">\n\n\nYou don't know if vaccines work against any new variant even if that variant is from a country populated with white people.\n\nAll the more reason to not invite more new strains into the country. White population or otherwise has nothing to do with it, expected rise in cases in China does.\n\nThe vaccine doesn't adapt once inside of your body you know that right?\n\nYou missed the point. The point i was making was that the Chinese medical system has not even approached Covid with an mRNA vaccine, and steadfastly refused to license western vaccines. If the vaccine most readily available in China has a 50% efficacy then the population is at more risk of contracting the virus and having negative results. The infection rates are increased with each new case of BA.7 (China is currently seeing each covid patient infecting on average 18 other people represented as 1:18, whereas the in US the rate is 1:3.9). Each of these factors increases the risk of developing new strains that are vaccine resistant. \n\nit's definitely unfair and probably racist as well\n\nIs it your position that nations cannot take any prescriptive action to prevent the spread of infected persons from other countries? Again i would remind you that China has basically been locked down for the last 2 years, with severe limitations to personal freedoms themselves. This is not based on race, but rather a government's inability to contain a contagious outbreak in their own country and not wanting it to spread. \n\nA good policy would be to require vaccinations from everybody. Think about it, you are requiring a vaccine that you said doesn't even work. How much sense does that make?\n\nThat might be your definition on good policy, but it isn't mine and that isn't how the west does it. \"I\" am not requiring a vaccine that \"I\" said doesn't work - that was your suggestion not mine. Also, i said the efficacy of the Chinese vaccine is 50% - based on available information - i never said it didn't work, and i never said that it should be mandatory or required.\n\nNascent?\n\nPoor and wrong word choice on my part it seems. What i meant was ascribing the US decision to require testing of Chinese travelers to racism because you believe that the US is racist is laughable. Taking a test to prove that you are covid negative is far less onerous on a traveler than most visa requirements.\n\nIt's definitely about punishing china, it's a part of the current cold war with China conducted by the USA.\n\nCite your sources. I could point to many Chinese government policies that i could say are part of the current cold war with the US without backing it up and it would be just as credible as what you said. Opinion is not a source, and not proof. You assume that the US government is racist, that this policy is racist and yet we have had travel bans imposed on other countries, as well as testing required for travelers from other countries imposed before, and other policies and so has China. For goodness sake China has been closed to foreigners for almost 3 years, and is still closed to foreign travel until January 2023. Is that a racist policy as well?", ">\n\nHere we go again.\nThis time I think I'll learn French cooking.", ">\n\n5000 People a day will have to die before Anybody says the word Lock down in the States ever again.", ">\n\nDon’t understand why people can’t handle staying at home for two weeks when it could potentially eradicate a deadly virus. Are we that weak?", ">\n\nWe did that in large part in March 2020. And did China not spend years locking down their citizens? \nPeoples savings are gone. They need to work. \nWearing a mask would do a lot to help the issue but people aren’t willing to do that anymore.", ">\n\nWe didn't do that though. We didn't all lock down when we were supposed to. Where I work I had to go in from the very start all the way through. Most people, the majority of people, didn't stay home even if they didn't have work. Most people didn't fuck with masks or keeping a distance, and even people who weren't antivaccers didn't take the vaccine seriously for the longest time. \nWe had no fucking lock down, unless you were a well-off celebrity or comedian who wanted to talk about being locked down for content. \nIf people legit locked down, they would have taken a small hit financially, but too many people didn't do shit and prolonged everything.", ">\n\nThe things is that it doesn't take long to drain peoples saving - becuase the overwhelming majority of people have practically none. \nSo an extended lockdown was never feasible unless the government was willing to pay several trillion dollars of expenses, not just 2 or 3 times but several times over.", ">\n\nI didn't dispute any of what you said. I pointed out that most people actively contested any safety measure and most people didn't actually lock down. Any extension will almost certainly be the fault of most of those people. \nI'd gladly let them all die if it meant the few people who did take things seriously didn't have to live through a Walking Dead scenario or have to take a huge financial hit because them.", ">\n\nMost people did lock down just fine initially. After a few weeks turned into a month or more, yeah people got testy.\nAdditionally, a gigantic amount of people work in critical industries and simply cant stay home. Just keeping the lights and water on requires tens of millions of workers, plus industries like plants and refineries that simply cannot shut down without massive long-term consequences.\nReddit is full of office people who can WFH, the vast majority of people cant.", ">\n\nI was one of those who couldn't stay home. Right out of the gate most people gave up on almost all of it except when they were making a show of complying when they had to. There was a lot of cheating. I walk through a lot of different areas. The waves of patients and bodies we got at work tracked with that and became predictable.", ">\n\nWhat’s that saying that ends with ”…doomed to repeat it?”", ">\n\nWhy not just require a negative test from everyone?", ">\n\nWho would you expect to pay for that?", ">\n\nGovernments or sponsors from the private sector ideally, I honestly don’t give a fuck. I’ve gotten many free tests from both and I’ve also bought some for like $8.", ">\n\n“Here we go again” from everyone in the comments. \nThe virus never stopped, we did.", ">\n\nVirus will always be there. Permanent restrictions are unsustainable", ">\n\n3 years later...\nIs this permanent?", ">\n\nI doubt there's anything that would make Republicans running in 2024 happier then Democrats advocating for a return to COVID restrictions.", ">\n\nRight? It’d be like the democrats fighting for gun control, or gay and trans rights, or safe and legal abortions. It would be political suicide to stand for something that Republicans don’t like!", ">\n\nMy understanding is that everything you listed is broadly popular or has at least a majority of American's in favor of it. A return to COVID restrictions is not in that category.", ">\n\nGun control isn’t even universally loved amongst the American left, as the hard left needs them for protection from the hard right they clash with, and the middle left does like having their guns taken as much as any middle right wing does, only mid left likes it", ">\n\nGallup has 57% of Americans feeling that in general gun laws should be more strict.", ">\n\nRegular people want kids to stop dying while in school. The problem is \"stricter laws\" is vague and no one can agree on what it means or give a serious proposal that would work, short of confiscation and bans, which are wildly unpopular.", ">\n\nVague political talking points is the best we’re going to get. Much as I’d love a Ross Perot style of breaking down every platform and promise, the general public doesn’t go for it. Buzz words are all we have the attention span for.", ">\n\nChina's COVID-19 surge raises odds of new coronavirus variants\nThings could get very ugly.", ">\n\nYou say this like covid hasn't been spreading rampantly through literally every country on the planet, mostly without any measures to stop the spread. Why does China get a different treatment and maybe countries should require tests from the US or Inida or Europe?", ">\n\nI agree. US was primarily the culprit of why COVID went rampant to begin with. We actively refused to enforce any sort of safety measures, just a mild suggestion of \"maybe wear a mask, if you want to, it's ok if you don't\" and \"we have vaccines if you want one, no pressure tho\". That was really our response to the world's deadliest pandemic.", ">\n\nWe actively made fun of zero covid approaches on reddit and now based on the comments on this thread we are suddenly pro “zero covid” approaches", ">\n\nEveryone finally watched contagion", ">\n\nSo far my 2023 bingo card is reading alooot of skull and crossbones, I think I might actually win at something next year, what does your score card look like?", ">\n\nWhen’s that $1200 going to hit my account?", ">\n\nI’m still living off mine from last time!", ">\n\nI’m still looking for mine", ">\n\nI’m waiting for that $600 bucks from Biden still, but that’s going right into my retirement!", ">\n\nYou dont get he meant to include any money you already received as well /s", ">\n\nI seem to remember campaign ads with $2000 checks.", ">\n\nYep they explicitly mentioned $2,000 checks.", ">\n\nMy comment was sarcasm but in retrospect there are so many neoliberals saying that word for word in all seriousness that I should and will add a sarcasm tag", ">\n\nThat's nice and all, but let's not act like we're not just ignoring our own COVID problems.", ">\n\n\n\"You don't have zero tolerance anymore? We can't tolerate that.\"\n\n- Country with 100% tolerance", ">\n\nWhy not require a negative COVID test from everyone entering the country? It’s like they don’t want COVID to be under control.", ">\n\nI think this is because China has a relatively low vaccination rate because they relied on lock downs. Now that lock downs are being ramped down, they are having a huge surge.", ">\n\nThe vaccination rate in China is considerably higher than the US (92% vs 81%). This is just another example of yellow peril", ">\n\nThank you for pointing this out. What I said above was wrong about the vaccination rate. I don’t know why exactly China is having a surge. 🤷‍♂️", ">\n\nTheir vaccination rate is high but their vaccine, SinoVac is based on old tech. It conveys effectively zero protection from variants when compared to all the other types of vaccines on the market.", ">\n\nYou guys are so full of shit. At 3 doses Sinovac gives the same protection as any western vaccine with boosters to help mitigate mutated variants. Stop spreading misinfo.", ">\n\n\"Does that thumbnail of someone getting tested read too much like 'screaming uselessly into the void'?\"\n\"I'm sure it'll be fine.\"", ">\n\nMaybe, just maybe they shouldnt have stopped testing airplane passengers in the first place... \nWe have cheap, readily available tests that take 10 minutes to complete. There’s really no reason not to test ever passenger before boarding...", ">\n\nEveryone I know who had Omicron tested negative until their symptoms cleared. It was evading the RATs, for some reason.", ">\n\nI tested positive on a rapid test two days after getting congested. Every teacher coworker of mine who bothered to test after getting cold symptoms also did. I think it's why so few parents now test their kids before sending time to school sick. They don't want to know so we all find out when we or our family members then test positive, missing work on their sick kids' behalf so they didn't have to. \nI have also heard the rapid test can give false negatives but anecdotal references don't mean much.", ">\n\nA day late and a dollar short. Same old song and dance.", ">\n\nWow, it’s like history literally repeating itself.", ">\n\nIndeed it is. I hope everyone is prepared for what’s next.", ">\n\nWe should require negative COVID tests for people to fly within the US, too.\nIt makes no difference to me if the person who infects me at LAX is coming in from China, or from Texas.", ">\n\nThere is a high chance anyone that comes from China has Covid right now. Low chance that someone inside America has.", ">\n\nNaw. China’s percent is much higher, sure, but it’s not like US infection rates are low. You can pretty much guarantee an infected American on every sold out domestic flight. The latest variants are super, super contagious, and it only takes one infected person to pose a serious risk to the other people sharing their space, and then all of their families and friends after they land. All flights should still require testing and masking at this point, or all we’ve really accomplished is pacifying the dimwits and xenophobes.\nI know at least 3 people who 100% contracted COVID while flying domestically in the US this last month - because they were isolated for the incubation period beforehand. They were masked the entire time they were in the airport and on the plane.", ">\n\nIf they were masked up and I assume vaccinated and still caught the virus then preventable measures like these aren’t that effective.", ">\n\nIs there a new strain of Covid that isn't in the U.S yet, otherwise what's the point.", ">\n\nUm testing should not ever stop.", ">\n\nAh shit here we go again", ">\n\n\"Who left the fridge open?\"", ">\n\nIt's \"just a cold\" unless it's a non-white person from another country carrying it.\n/s", ">\n\nChina implemented an ineffective vaccine and had 30m+ cases in one day. It’s specifically that gov. refusing to use effective vaccines", ">\n\nAnd the United States had effective vaccines that half the country is not willing to nor willing to wear masks, while complaining to other countries like China about their travel restrictions (from China and Hong Kong). And honestly I’m not oppose to a tighter restriction on China while they are experiencing a surge in new cases just as it did with any other countries that initially loosen covid restrictions, what makes me question this being race or politically motivated is the hypocrisy; people complained about China being oppressive when it was enforcing all the covid restrictions and when they loosen it “China doesn’t care about human lives”.\nSo what exactly do you want them to do?", ">\n\n\nto Require Negative Covid Tests for Travelers From China\n\nLuckily China is well known for its systemic unwillingness to fake or counterfeit things, so everything should be fine.\nhonest.", ">\n\nSeems purely retaliatory with no actual effectiveness.\nEnforcement is over a week away and presumably China has hit its peak already (flights being 40% positive)", ">\n\nThe rich rats are going to buy fake tests and jump ship breaking quarantine just like they did in the first wave. Cutting flights or enforcing quarantines is the only way to prevent this stuff from jumping oceans but god forbid anybody inhibit the jet setters.", ">\n\nHALF of the passengers on a plane from China going to Italy tested positive the other day (tested on arrival). Chances are most if not all of them had negative test results they could show that they took before they left. This won't do anything to stop people coming into the US while positive..we are going to have to go through this all over again and we won't have the same somewhat cooperative response in the US this time if it is a variant that evades immunity... It will get REALLY bad.", ">\n\nSeriously they know red states will just let them in and will never do another shut down again. So start dealt with out break countries this way to slow it down or corner it. But I see very very bad days ahead for China and Russia is starting to report out breaks too.", ">\n\nMust. When?", ">\n\nWe already require this from canada iirc\nEdit: i was wrong, canada requires it from us.", ">\n\nI hope we are talking PCR tests... those store-bought 15-minute ones struggle to get a positive if you have any sort of vaccination, even while symptomatic and miserable.", ">\n\nWell, a little bit of good news. I'll take it.", ">\n\nTravel should have been 100$ restricted a long time ago. Travel should be restricted to any country experiencing a COVID outbreak.", ">\n\nWonderful. Another round of Asian hating.", ">\n\nWho's hating on Asians? We're trying to stop this virus from killing people.", ">\n\nor… ban flights from china??", ">\n\nDoesn’t make sense in singling out China when covid is widespread in every single country", ">\n\nThe extent of covid in china atm is just absurd. Two weeks ago, they had 37 MILLION cases in one day. Think about that. Thats more people than a lot of countries! \nsource", ">\n\nI wonder why China has so much trouble with COVID compared to other countries, despite being so strict.", ">\n\nIt’s because they had the zero covid approaches that people are advocating for in this thread and they suddenly reversed course. Everyone in China is getting it so fast its likely the same variants quickly spreading in a population that suddenly reversed course. Having many people getting it over time and exposed to new generations of the virus (which is what happens over time) is more insidious but people here think thats fine", ">\n\nEveryone saying this is racist, do not pay attention to the world", ">\n\nIt was called racist and xenophobic when Trump did it. The left are hypocritical emotional wrecks.", ">\n\nnah trump was racist or did you forget he called it the “china virus” and subsequent hate crimes increased against adians", ">\n\nLet’s not change the subject. We’re talking about testing travelers from China here. Always trying to deflect.", ">\n\nIs that what he did, though? That and nothing else? This is a Fox News headline, but I bet there's a lot more to it. There usually is.\nFYI, Italy is also requiring testing of travelers from China at this time.\nBecause of the high number of cases in China at this time.", ">\n\nSo many dumb replies here. I am sad about where humankind is at.", ">\n\nRound two people", ">\n\nWe need to ramp up testing again at border.", ">\n\nChina trying to stop Covid…lol! Fail miserably at that, build a huge infected population, then unleash it on the world. Great job China /s", ">\n\nSell then the Moderna vaccine so they can treat themselves, ans end this debacle.", ">\n\nEven if US send Moderna and Phizer vaccine, China will not use it, because they boast about \"superior\" Chinese vaccine and don't want to lose face.\n​\nUntil they change their attitude, I suggest keeping restriction in place for PRC travelers.", ">\n\nOh definitely.", ">\n\nCCP exporting covid again.", ">\n\nPaywall - can anyone help me read the article? It sounds great in theory but why wait so long? That’s how this all started in 2020. Test now!", ">\n\nChina has been in quarantine until the protests. They have a very low of vaccinated people, so now everyone's breathing on each other's necks, squeezing in tight places and now introducing another pandemic. \nI believe a combination of everyone quarantined for too long and non vaccinated people are making this a very deadly spread.", ">\n\nTheir vaccination rate is not too bad, except among the elderly. But their vaccine was shit even before all the variants.\nThey've been trying to use lockdown to prevent spread and with the new variants that just won't work.\nSo yeah, they're pretty fucked.", ">\n\nVaccination rate is good, but the rate of people who are up to date on boosters is where they fall short even beyond just the elderly. It also doesn't help that the vaccine being used is overall less effective than the ones being used elsewhere like you said. Makes those booster shots many are lacking even more critical.", ">\n\nApparently Americans only get worried when it’s Chinese people spreading Covid as opposed to their own residents, citizens and Europeans.", ">\n\nseems xenophobic /s", ">\n\noh I'm sure conservatives will be very concerned about the \"freedoms\" of those travelers from China", ">\n\nHow's this going to work for the 75% of all our manufactured goods coming in from China?", ">\n\nThank God Biden is doing this if it was Trump they call him racist .", ">\n\nTrump admin did this and it was hailed as a great idea, because it was. And is.\nWho tf cares who the man or president is when it comes to health? Why are some people like this?", ">\n\nYou know that wasnt true.", ">\n\nWhy would they make a move that would indisputably send hundreds of thousands of infected into the wider world including those that may wind up being infected with a new variant or two? \nCan we at least conclude that China does not care about this possibility? Is that verboten to say?\nCan an axiomatically correct statement still result in a ban?", ">\n\nSounds kinda racist.", ">\n\nMakes absolute sense considering what's currently going on there. Canada should do the same. I'll even go as far as say suspend visas / entry from that part of the world temporarily, until they can get it under control", ">\n\nMakes sense. China is exploding with covid and who knows if/when the next bad variant develops there.", ">\n\nLmao Reddit enjoying their shut in lives so much I’d rather jump off the tallest bridge near me before going into lockdowns again.", ">\n\nXenophobia", ">\n\nXenophobic Biden", ">\n\nPeople are acting like Covid stopped spreading in the US… The US just decided to ignore it, that is until China gained more cases, and now it’s back to fear mongering Chinese people. I see that xenophobia is still alive and well in the US.", ">\n\nMy family and I caught covid during Thanksgiving after being careful for two years. Fortunately, we're all vaccinated so the symptoms didn't hit us too hard. We just got lax with being careful, but we'll probably be wearing our masks in crowded places just to be safe.", ">\n\nI never stopped wearing masks in the US while going to stores. The reality is we have had waves of Covid here in the US, and we have had different mutations of variants too.", ">\n\nThats racist. Biden should be ashamed of himself for allowing such bigotry and hatred towards our Chinese brethren.", ">\n\nThis applies to anyone traveling from China, not just the Chinese.", ">\n\nI wouldn’t think another country was rascist if the USA had a huge surge and temporarily suspended flights to:from the USA until the numbers came down.", ">\n\nSame biological warfare when westerners were entering into China in 2022?", ">\n\n50 Cent army, out in full force!", ">\n\nWhy are we letting anyone in from China?", ">\n\nCitizens and most permanent residents cannot be refused admission.", ">\n\nOh, here we go again.", ">\n\nKind of ironic seeing how the US has worse cases lmao" ]
> Weird how we can’t make our own citizens mask or test but we can make sure travelers from other places do Wild how absolutely absurd the timeline we’re living in js
[ "People from China will travel through Europe and come in to America from the east coast like they did when the pandemic started. This will do nothing if all travelers aboard aren’t made to test.", ">\n\nLet's hope EU and other countries do the same.", ">\n\nI don't know if they will. Australia (for example) had some of the toughest Covid policies and they've essentially just thrown them all out the window.\nSo I don't know how willing countries are to go back to being overly concerned about Covid.", ">\n\nThey should be concerned w chinese, it's spreading like wildfire in china. If we aren't careful, they will come out w covid 20.", ">\n\nIt’s spreading everywhere including the USA. This policy has nothing to do with science or medicine. It’s just politics.", ">\n\nNo. It’s circulating like mad in a population of 1 billion people who haven’t been exposed before. This is how new variants come about. Every country should require negative Covid test for china at least until it cycles through the population", ">\n\n\nNo. It’s circulating like mad in a population of 1 billion people who haven’t been exposed before.\n\nIt's also spreading like mad in all the countries of the world including the USA.\n\nThis is how new variants come about. \n\nAnd they have been for years now.\n\nEvery country should require negative Covid test for china at least until it cycles through the population\n\nOnly for political reasons. There is no scientific or rational demand for this. \nI get it, you hate china, most americans hate china so just be honest and say what you really mean.", ">\n\nStrains are spreading in the west yes, but there are new strains in China that are spreading and we don't know if our vaccines will work with those strains. We know the Chinese vaccines have a low efficacy rate and we know they are not mRNA vaccines which allow for easier adaptation to new strains. Making travelers with a Chinese passport take Covid tests at any and all airports is not racist or even unfair - a reminder that China has been relatively hard to travel to for the last 2 years because they were locked down to foreign travel as well. This is simply good policy from a public health measure, and you not wanting to see that for what it is and instead attribute it to a nascent American hatred for China is laughable. the World Health Organization estimated close to 800 million new cases in China in the next few months, with another estimate 4 million deaths and countless new strains coming out during that period. This is about protection populations, not punishing China.", ">\n\n\nStrains are spreading in the west yes, but there are new strains in China that are spreading and we don't know if our vaccines will work with those strains.\n\nYou don't know if vaccines work against any new variant even if that variant is from a country populated with white people.\n\nWe know the Chinese vaccines have a low efficacy rate and we know they are not mRNA vaccines which allow for easier adaptation to new strains. \n\nThe vaccine doesn't adapt once inside of your body you know that right?\n\nMaking travelers with a Chinese passport take Covid tests at any and all airports is not racist or even unfair \n\nit's definitely unfair and probably racist as well.\n\nhis is simply good policy from a public health measure, a\n\nA good policy would be to require vaccinations from everybody. Think about it, you are requiring a vaccine that you said doesn't even work. How much sense does that make?\n\nattribute it to a nascent American hatred for China is laughable.\n\nNascent?\n\nThis is about protection populations, not punishing China.\n\nIt's definitely about punishing china, it's a part of the current cold war with China conducted by the USA.", ">\n\n\nYou don't know if vaccines work against any new variant even if that variant is from a country populated with white people.\n\nAll the more reason to not invite more new strains into the country. White population or otherwise has nothing to do with it, expected rise in cases in China does.\n\nThe vaccine doesn't adapt once inside of your body you know that right?\n\nYou missed the point. The point i was making was that the Chinese medical system has not even approached Covid with an mRNA vaccine, and steadfastly refused to license western vaccines. If the vaccine most readily available in China has a 50% efficacy then the population is at more risk of contracting the virus and having negative results. The infection rates are increased with each new case of BA.7 (China is currently seeing each covid patient infecting on average 18 other people represented as 1:18, whereas the in US the rate is 1:3.9). Each of these factors increases the risk of developing new strains that are vaccine resistant. \n\nit's definitely unfair and probably racist as well\n\nIs it your position that nations cannot take any prescriptive action to prevent the spread of infected persons from other countries? Again i would remind you that China has basically been locked down for the last 2 years, with severe limitations to personal freedoms themselves. This is not based on race, but rather a government's inability to contain a contagious outbreak in their own country and not wanting it to spread. \n\nA good policy would be to require vaccinations from everybody. Think about it, you are requiring a vaccine that you said doesn't even work. How much sense does that make?\n\nThat might be your definition on good policy, but it isn't mine and that isn't how the west does it. \"I\" am not requiring a vaccine that \"I\" said doesn't work - that was your suggestion not mine. Also, i said the efficacy of the Chinese vaccine is 50% - based on available information - i never said it didn't work, and i never said that it should be mandatory or required.\n\nNascent?\n\nPoor and wrong word choice on my part it seems. What i meant was ascribing the US decision to require testing of Chinese travelers to racism because you believe that the US is racist is laughable. Taking a test to prove that you are covid negative is far less onerous on a traveler than most visa requirements.\n\nIt's definitely about punishing china, it's a part of the current cold war with China conducted by the USA.\n\nCite your sources. I could point to many Chinese government policies that i could say are part of the current cold war with the US without backing it up and it would be just as credible as what you said. Opinion is not a source, and not proof. You assume that the US government is racist, that this policy is racist and yet we have had travel bans imposed on other countries, as well as testing required for travelers from other countries imposed before, and other policies and so has China. For goodness sake China has been closed to foreigners for almost 3 years, and is still closed to foreign travel until January 2023. Is that a racist policy as well?", ">\n\nHere we go again.\nThis time I think I'll learn French cooking.", ">\n\n5000 People a day will have to die before Anybody says the word Lock down in the States ever again.", ">\n\nDon’t understand why people can’t handle staying at home for two weeks when it could potentially eradicate a deadly virus. Are we that weak?", ">\n\nWe did that in large part in March 2020. And did China not spend years locking down their citizens? \nPeoples savings are gone. They need to work. \nWearing a mask would do a lot to help the issue but people aren’t willing to do that anymore.", ">\n\nWe didn't do that though. We didn't all lock down when we were supposed to. Where I work I had to go in from the very start all the way through. Most people, the majority of people, didn't stay home even if they didn't have work. Most people didn't fuck with masks or keeping a distance, and even people who weren't antivaccers didn't take the vaccine seriously for the longest time. \nWe had no fucking lock down, unless you were a well-off celebrity or comedian who wanted to talk about being locked down for content. \nIf people legit locked down, they would have taken a small hit financially, but too many people didn't do shit and prolonged everything.", ">\n\nThe things is that it doesn't take long to drain peoples saving - becuase the overwhelming majority of people have practically none. \nSo an extended lockdown was never feasible unless the government was willing to pay several trillion dollars of expenses, not just 2 or 3 times but several times over.", ">\n\nI didn't dispute any of what you said. I pointed out that most people actively contested any safety measure and most people didn't actually lock down. Any extension will almost certainly be the fault of most of those people. \nI'd gladly let them all die if it meant the few people who did take things seriously didn't have to live through a Walking Dead scenario or have to take a huge financial hit because them.", ">\n\nMost people did lock down just fine initially. After a few weeks turned into a month or more, yeah people got testy.\nAdditionally, a gigantic amount of people work in critical industries and simply cant stay home. Just keeping the lights and water on requires tens of millions of workers, plus industries like plants and refineries that simply cannot shut down without massive long-term consequences.\nReddit is full of office people who can WFH, the vast majority of people cant.", ">\n\nI was one of those who couldn't stay home. Right out of the gate most people gave up on almost all of it except when they were making a show of complying when they had to. There was a lot of cheating. I walk through a lot of different areas. The waves of patients and bodies we got at work tracked with that and became predictable.", ">\n\nWhat’s that saying that ends with ”…doomed to repeat it?”", ">\n\nWhy not just require a negative test from everyone?", ">\n\nWho would you expect to pay for that?", ">\n\nGovernments or sponsors from the private sector ideally, I honestly don’t give a fuck. I’ve gotten many free tests from both and I’ve also bought some for like $8.", ">\n\n“Here we go again” from everyone in the comments. \nThe virus never stopped, we did.", ">\n\nVirus will always be there. Permanent restrictions are unsustainable", ">\n\n3 years later...\nIs this permanent?", ">\n\nI doubt there's anything that would make Republicans running in 2024 happier then Democrats advocating for a return to COVID restrictions.", ">\n\nRight? It’d be like the democrats fighting for gun control, or gay and trans rights, or safe and legal abortions. It would be political suicide to stand for something that Republicans don’t like!", ">\n\nMy understanding is that everything you listed is broadly popular or has at least a majority of American's in favor of it. A return to COVID restrictions is not in that category.", ">\n\nGun control isn’t even universally loved amongst the American left, as the hard left needs them for protection from the hard right they clash with, and the middle left does like having their guns taken as much as any middle right wing does, only mid left likes it", ">\n\nGallup has 57% of Americans feeling that in general gun laws should be more strict.", ">\n\nRegular people want kids to stop dying while in school. The problem is \"stricter laws\" is vague and no one can agree on what it means or give a serious proposal that would work, short of confiscation and bans, which are wildly unpopular.", ">\n\nVague political talking points is the best we’re going to get. Much as I’d love a Ross Perot style of breaking down every platform and promise, the general public doesn’t go for it. Buzz words are all we have the attention span for.", ">\n\nChina's COVID-19 surge raises odds of new coronavirus variants\nThings could get very ugly.", ">\n\nYou say this like covid hasn't been spreading rampantly through literally every country on the planet, mostly without any measures to stop the spread. Why does China get a different treatment and maybe countries should require tests from the US or Inida or Europe?", ">\n\nI agree. US was primarily the culprit of why COVID went rampant to begin with. We actively refused to enforce any sort of safety measures, just a mild suggestion of \"maybe wear a mask, if you want to, it's ok if you don't\" and \"we have vaccines if you want one, no pressure tho\". That was really our response to the world's deadliest pandemic.", ">\n\nWe actively made fun of zero covid approaches on reddit and now based on the comments on this thread we are suddenly pro “zero covid” approaches", ">\n\nEveryone finally watched contagion", ">\n\nSo far my 2023 bingo card is reading alooot of skull and crossbones, I think I might actually win at something next year, what does your score card look like?", ">\n\nWhen’s that $1200 going to hit my account?", ">\n\nI’m still living off mine from last time!", ">\n\nI’m still looking for mine", ">\n\nI’m waiting for that $600 bucks from Biden still, but that’s going right into my retirement!", ">\n\nYou dont get he meant to include any money you already received as well /s", ">\n\nI seem to remember campaign ads with $2000 checks.", ">\n\nYep they explicitly mentioned $2,000 checks.", ">\n\nMy comment was sarcasm but in retrospect there are so many neoliberals saying that word for word in all seriousness that I should and will add a sarcasm tag", ">\n\nThat's nice and all, but let's not act like we're not just ignoring our own COVID problems.", ">\n\n\n\"You don't have zero tolerance anymore? We can't tolerate that.\"\n\n- Country with 100% tolerance", ">\n\nWhy not require a negative COVID test from everyone entering the country? It’s like they don’t want COVID to be under control.", ">\n\nI think this is because China has a relatively low vaccination rate because they relied on lock downs. Now that lock downs are being ramped down, they are having a huge surge.", ">\n\nThe vaccination rate in China is considerably higher than the US (92% vs 81%). This is just another example of yellow peril", ">\n\nThank you for pointing this out. What I said above was wrong about the vaccination rate. I don’t know why exactly China is having a surge. 🤷‍♂️", ">\n\nTheir vaccination rate is high but their vaccine, SinoVac is based on old tech. It conveys effectively zero protection from variants when compared to all the other types of vaccines on the market.", ">\n\nYou guys are so full of shit. At 3 doses Sinovac gives the same protection as any western vaccine with boosters to help mitigate mutated variants. Stop spreading misinfo.", ">\n\n\"Does that thumbnail of someone getting tested read too much like 'screaming uselessly into the void'?\"\n\"I'm sure it'll be fine.\"", ">\n\nMaybe, just maybe they shouldnt have stopped testing airplane passengers in the first place... \nWe have cheap, readily available tests that take 10 minutes to complete. There’s really no reason not to test ever passenger before boarding...", ">\n\nEveryone I know who had Omicron tested negative until their symptoms cleared. It was evading the RATs, for some reason.", ">\n\nI tested positive on a rapid test two days after getting congested. Every teacher coworker of mine who bothered to test after getting cold symptoms also did. I think it's why so few parents now test their kids before sending time to school sick. They don't want to know so we all find out when we or our family members then test positive, missing work on their sick kids' behalf so they didn't have to. \nI have also heard the rapid test can give false negatives but anecdotal references don't mean much.", ">\n\nA day late and a dollar short. Same old song and dance.", ">\n\nWow, it’s like history literally repeating itself.", ">\n\nIndeed it is. I hope everyone is prepared for what’s next.", ">\n\nWe should require negative COVID tests for people to fly within the US, too.\nIt makes no difference to me if the person who infects me at LAX is coming in from China, or from Texas.", ">\n\nThere is a high chance anyone that comes from China has Covid right now. Low chance that someone inside America has.", ">\n\nNaw. China’s percent is much higher, sure, but it’s not like US infection rates are low. You can pretty much guarantee an infected American on every sold out domestic flight. The latest variants are super, super contagious, and it only takes one infected person to pose a serious risk to the other people sharing their space, and then all of their families and friends after they land. All flights should still require testing and masking at this point, or all we’ve really accomplished is pacifying the dimwits and xenophobes.\nI know at least 3 people who 100% contracted COVID while flying domestically in the US this last month - because they were isolated for the incubation period beforehand. They were masked the entire time they were in the airport and on the plane.", ">\n\nIf they were masked up and I assume vaccinated and still caught the virus then preventable measures like these aren’t that effective.", ">\n\nIs there a new strain of Covid that isn't in the U.S yet, otherwise what's the point.", ">\n\nUm testing should not ever stop.", ">\n\nAh shit here we go again", ">\n\n\"Who left the fridge open?\"", ">\n\nIt's \"just a cold\" unless it's a non-white person from another country carrying it.\n/s", ">\n\nChina implemented an ineffective vaccine and had 30m+ cases in one day. It’s specifically that gov. refusing to use effective vaccines", ">\n\nAnd the United States had effective vaccines that half the country is not willing to nor willing to wear masks, while complaining to other countries like China about their travel restrictions (from China and Hong Kong). And honestly I’m not oppose to a tighter restriction on China while they are experiencing a surge in new cases just as it did with any other countries that initially loosen covid restrictions, what makes me question this being race or politically motivated is the hypocrisy; people complained about China being oppressive when it was enforcing all the covid restrictions and when they loosen it “China doesn’t care about human lives”.\nSo what exactly do you want them to do?", ">\n\n\nto Require Negative Covid Tests for Travelers From China\n\nLuckily China is well known for its systemic unwillingness to fake or counterfeit things, so everything should be fine.\nhonest.", ">\n\nSeems purely retaliatory with no actual effectiveness.\nEnforcement is over a week away and presumably China has hit its peak already (flights being 40% positive)", ">\n\nThe rich rats are going to buy fake tests and jump ship breaking quarantine just like they did in the first wave. Cutting flights or enforcing quarantines is the only way to prevent this stuff from jumping oceans but god forbid anybody inhibit the jet setters.", ">\n\nHALF of the passengers on a plane from China going to Italy tested positive the other day (tested on arrival). Chances are most if not all of them had negative test results they could show that they took before they left. This won't do anything to stop people coming into the US while positive..we are going to have to go through this all over again and we won't have the same somewhat cooperative response in the US this time if it is a variant that evades immunity... It will get REALLY bad.", ">\n\nSeriously they know red states will just let them in and will never do another shut down again. So start dealt with out break countries this way to slow it down or corner it. But I see very very bad days ahead for China and Russia is starting to report out breaks too.", ">\n\nMust. When?", ">\n\nWe already require this from canada iirc\nEdit: i was wrong, canada requires it from us.", ">\n\nI hope we are talking PCR tests... those store-bought 15-minute ones struggle to get a positive if you have any sort of vaccination, even while symptomatic and miserable.", ">\n\nWell, a little bit of good news. I'll take it.", ">\n\nTravel should have been 100$ restricted a long time ago. Travel should be restricted to any country experiencing a COVID outbreak.", ">\n\nWonderful. Another round of Asian hating.", ">\n\nWho's hating on Asians? We're trying to stop this virus from killing people.", ">\n\nor… ban flights from china??", ">\n\nDoesn’t make sense in singling out China when covid is widespread in every single country", ">\n\nThe extent of covid in china atm is just absurd. Two weeks ago, they had 37 MILLION cases in one day. Think about that. Thats more people than a lot of countries! \nsource", ">\n\nI wonder why China has so much trouble with COVID compared to other countries, despite being so strict.", ">\n\nIt’s because they had the zero covid approaches that people are advocating for in this thread and they suddenly reversed course. Everyone in China is getting it so fast its likely the same variants quickly spreading in a population that suddenly reversed course. Having many people getting it over time and exposed to new generations of the virus (which is what happens over time) is more insidious but people here think thats fine", ">\n\nEveryone saying this is racist, do not pay attention to the world", ">\n\nIt was called racist and xenophobic when Trump did it. The left are hypocritical emotional wrecks.", ">\n\nnah trump was racist or did you forget he called it the “china virus” and subsequent hate crimes increased against adians", ">\n\nLet’s not change the subject. We’re talking about testing travelers from China here. Always trying to deflect.", ">\n\nIs that what he did, though? That and nothing else? This is a Fox News headline, but I bet there's a lot more to it. There usually is.\nFYI, Italy is also requiring testing of travelers from China at this time.\nBecause of the high number of cases in China at this time.", ">\n\nSo many dumb replies here. I am sad about where humankind is at.", ">\n\nRound two people", ">\n\nWe need to ramp up testing again at border.", ">\n\nChina trying to stop Covid…lol! Fail miserably at that, build a huge infected population, then unleash it on the world. Great job China /s", ">\n\nSell then the Moderna vaccine so they can treat themselves, ans end this debacle.", ">\n\nEven if US send Moderna and Phizer vaccine, China will not use it, because they boast about \"superior\" Chinese vaccine and don't want to lose face.\n​\nUntil they change their attitude, I suggest keeping restriction in place for PRC travelers.", ">\n\nOh definitely.", ">\n\nCCP exporting covid again.", ">\n\nPaywall - can anyone help me read the article? It sounds great in theory but why wait so long? That’s how this all started in 2020. Test now!", ">\n\nChina has been in quarantine until the protests. They have a very low of vaccinated people, so now everyone's breathing on each other's necks, squeezing in tight places and now introducing another pandemic. \nI believe a combination of everyone quarantined for too long and non vaccinated people are making this a very deadly spread.", ">\n\nTheir vaccination rate is not too bad, except among the elderly. But their vaccine was shit even before all the variants.\nThey've been trying to use lockdown to prevent spread and with the new variants that just won't work.\nSo yeah, they're pretty fucked.", ">\n\nVaccination rate is good, but the rate of people who are up to date on boosters is where they fall short even beyond just the elderly. It also doesn't help that the vaccine being used is overall less effective than the ones being used elsewhere like you said. Makes those booster shots many are lacking even more critical.", ">\n\nApparently Americans only get worried when it’s Chinese people spreading Covid as opposed to their own residents, citizens and Europeans.", ">\n\nseems xenophobic /s", ">\n\noh I'm sure conservatives will be very concerned about the \"freedoms\" of those travelers from China", ">\n\nHow's this going to work for the 75% of all our manufactured goods coming in from China?", ">\n\nThank God Biden is doing this if it was Trump they call him racist .", ">\n\nTrump admin did this and it was hailed as a great idea, because it was. And is.\nWho tf cares who the man or president is when it comes to health? Why are some people like this?", ">\n\nYou know that wasnt true.", ">\n\nWhy would they make a move that would indisputably send hundreds of thousands of infected into the wider world including those that may wind up being infected with a new variant or two? \nCan we at least conclude that China does not care about this possibility? Is that verboten to say?\nCan an axiomatically correct statement still result in a ban?", ">\n\nSounds kinda racist.", ">\n\nMakes absolute sense considering what's currently going on there. Canada should do the same. I'll even go as far as say suspend visas / entry from that part of the world temporarily, until they can get it under control", ">\n\nMakes sense. China is exploding with covid and who knows if/when the next bad variant develops there.", ">\n\nLmao Reddit enjoying their shut in lives so much I’d rather jump off the tallest bridge near me before going into lockdowns again.", ">\n\nXenophobia", ">\n\nXenophobic Biden", ">\n\nPeople are acting like Covid stopped spreading in the US… The US just decided to ignore it, that is until China gained more cases, and now it’s back to fear mongering Chinese people. I see that xenophobia is still alive and well in the US.", ">\n\nMy family and I caught covid during Thanksgiving after being careful for two years. Fortunately, we're all vaccinated so the symptoms didn't hit us too hard. We just got lax with being careful, but we'll probably be wearing our masks in crowded places just to be safe.", ">\n\nI never stopped wearing masks in the US while going to stores. The reality is we have had waves of Covid here in the US, and we have had different mutations of variants too.", ">\n\nThats racist. Biden should be ashamed of himself for allowing such bigotry and hatred towards our Chinese brethren.", ">\n\nThis applies to anyone traveling from China, not just the Chinese.", ">\n\nI wouldn’t think another country was rascist if the USA had a huge surge and temporarily suspended flights to:from the USA until the numbers came down.", ">\n\nSame biological warfare when westerners were entering into China in 2022?", ">\n\n50 Cent army, out in full force!", ">\n\nWhy are we letting anyone in from China?", ">\n\nCitizens and most permanent residents cannot be refused admission.", ">\n\nOh, here we go again.", ">\n\nKind of ironic seeing how the US has worse cases lmao", ">\n\nUS will keep up the bio attacks until the world complies with their foreign policy. Which is to keep China from becoming a threat to its hegemony" ]
> Good. We should not allow anyone from any country the opportunity to enter our country without proof.
[ "People from China will travel through Europe and come in to America from the east coast like they did when the pandemic started. This will do nothing if all travelers aboard aren’t made to test.", ">\n\nLet's hope EU and other countries do the same.", ">\n\nI don't know if they will. Australia (for example) had some of the toughest Covid policies and they've essentially just thrown them all out the window.\nSo I don't know how willing countries are to go back to being overly concerned about Covid.", ">\n\nThey should be concerned w chinese, it's spreading like wildfire in china. If we aren't careful, they will come out w covid 20.", ">\n\nIt’s spreading everywhere including the USA. This policy has nothing to do with science or medicine. It’s just politics.", ">\n\nNo. It’s circulating like mad in a population of 1 billion people who haven’t been exposed before. This is how new variants come about. Every country should require negative Covid test for china at least until it cycles through the population", ">\n\n\nNo. It’s circulating like mad in a population of 1 billion people who haven’t been exposed before.\n\nIt's also spreading like mad in all the countries of the world including the USA.\n\nThis is how new variants come about. \n\nAnd they have been for years now.\n\nEvery country should require negative Covid test for china at least until it cycles through the population\n\nOnly for political reasons. There is no scientific or rational demand for this. \nI get it, you hate china, most americans hate china so just be honest and say what you really mean.", ">\n\nStrains are spreading in the west yes, but there are new strains in China that are spreading and we don't know if our vaccines will work with those strains. We know the Chinese vaccines have a low efficacy rate and we know they are not mRNA vaccines which allow for easier adaptation to new strains. Making travelers with a Chinese passport take Covid tests at any and all airports is not racist or even unfair - a reminder that China has been relatively hard to travel to for the last 2 years because they were locked down to foreign travel as well. This is simply good policy from a public health measure, and you not wanting to see that for what it is and instead attribute it to a nascent American hatred for China is laughable. the World Health Organization estimated close to 800 million new cases in China in the next few months, with another estimate 4 million deaths and countless new strains coming out during that period. This is about protection populations, not punishing China.", ">\n\n\nStrains are spreading in the west yes, but there are new strains in China that are spreading and we don't know if our vaccines will work with those strains.\n\nYou don't know if vaccines work against any new variant even if that variant is from a country populated with white people.\n\nWe know the Chinese vaccines have a low efficacy rate and we know they are not mRNA vaccines which allow for easier adaptation to new strains. \n\nThe vaccine doesn't adapt once inside of your body you know that right?\n\nMaking travelers with a Chinese passport take Covid tests at any and all airports is not racist or even unfair \n\nit's definitely unfair and probably racist as well.\n\nhis is simply good policy from a public health measure, a\n\nA good policy would be to require vaccinations from everybody. Think about it, you are requiring a vaccine that you said doesn't even work. How much sense does that make?\n\nattribute it to a nascent American hatred for China is laughable.\n\nNascent?\n\nThis is about protection populations, not punishing China.\n\nIt's definitely about punishing china, it's a part of the current cold war with China conducted by the USA.", ">\n\n\nYou don't know if vaccines work against any new variant even if that variant is from a country populated with white people.\n\nAll the more reason to not invite more new strains into the country. White population or otherwise has nothing to do with it, expected rise in cases in China does.\n\nThe vaccine doesn't adapt once inside of your body you know that right?\n\nYou missed the point. The point i was making was that the Chinese medical system has not even approached Covid with an mRNA vaccine, and steadfastly refused to license western vaccines. If the vaccine most readily available in China has a 50% efficacy then the population is at more risk of contracting the virus and having negative results. The infection rates are increased with each new case of BA.7 (China is currently seeing each covid patient infecting on average 18 other people represented as 1:18, whereas the in US the rate is 1:3.9). Each of these factors increases the risk of developing new strains that are vaccine resistant. \n\nit's definitely unfair and probably racist as well\n\nIs it your position that nations cannot take any prescriptive action to prevent the spread of infected persons from other countries? Again i would remind you that China has basically been locked down for the last 2 years, with severe limitations to personal freedoms themselves. This is not based on race, but rather a government's inability to contain a contagious outbreak in their own country and not wanting it to spread. \n\nA good policy would be to require vaccinations from everybody. Think about it, you are requiring a vaccine that you said doesn't even work. How much sense does that make?\n\nThat might be your definition on good policy, but it isn't mine and that isn't how the west does it. \"I\" am not requiring a vaccine that \"I\" said doesn't work - that was your suggestion not mine. Also, i said the efficacy of the Chinese vaccine is 50% - based on available information - i never said it didn't work, and i never said that it should be mandatory or required.\n\nNascent?\n\nPoor and wrong word choice on my part it seems. What i meant was ascribing the US decision to require testing of Chinese travelers to racism because you believe that the US is racist is laughable. Taking a test to prove that you are covid negative is far less onerous on a traveler than most visa requirements.\n\nIt's definitely about punishing china, it's a part of the current cold war with China conducted by the USA.\n\nCite your sources. I could point to many Chinese government policies that i could say are part of the current cold war with the US without backing it up and it would be just as credible as what you said. Opinion is not a source, and not proof. You assume that the US government is racist, that this policy is racist and yet we have had travel bans imposed on other countries, as well as testing required for travelers from other countries imposed before, and other policies and so has China. For goodness sake China has been closed to foreigners for almost 3 years, and is still closed to foreign travel until January 2023. Is that a racist policy as well?", ">\n\nHere we go again.\nThis time I think I'll learn French cooking.", ">\n\n5000 People a day will have to die before Anybody says the word Lock down in the States ever again.", ">\n\nDon’t understand why people can’t handle staying at home for two weeks when it could potentially eradicate a deadly virus. Are we that weak?", ">\n\nWe did that in large part in March 2020. And did China not spend years locking down their citizens? \nPeoples savings are gone. They need to work. \nWearing a mask would do a lot to help the issue but people aren’t willing to do that anymore.", ">\n\nWe didn't do that though. We didn't all lock down when we were supposed to. Where I work I had to go in from the very start all the way through. Most people, the majority of people, didn't stay home even if they didn't have work. Most people didn't fuck with masks or keeping a distance, and even people who weren't antivaccers didn't take the vaccine seriously for the longest time. \nWe had no fucking lock down, unless you were a well-off celebrity or comedian who wanted to talk about being locked down for content. \nIf people legit locked down, they would have taken a small hit financially, but too many people didn't do shit and prolonged everything.", ">\n\nThe things is that it doesn't take long to drain peoples saving - becuase the overwhelming majority of people have practically none. \nSo an extended lockdown was never feasible unless the government was willing to pay several trillion dollars of expenses, not just 2 or 3 times but several times over.", ">\n\nI didn't dispute any of what you said. I pointed out that most people actively contested any safety measure and most people didn't actually lock down. Any extension will almost certainly be the fault of most of those people. \nI'd gladly let them all die if it meant the few people who did take things seriously didn't have to live through a Walking Dead scenario or have to take a huge financial hit because them.", ">\n\nMost people did lock down just fine initially. After a few weeks turned into a month or more, yeah people got testy.\nAdditionally, a gigantic amount of people work in critical industries and simply cant stay home. Just keeping the lights and water on requires tens of millions of workers, plus industries like plants and refineries that simply cannot shut down without massive long-term consequences.\nReddit is full of office people who can WFH, the vast majority of people cant.", ">\n\nI was one of those who couldn't stay home. Right out of the gate most people gave up on almost all of it except when they were making a show of complying when they had to. There was a lot of cheating. I walk through a lot of different areas. The waves of patients and bodies we got at work tracked with that and became predictable.", ">\n\nWhat’s that saying that ends with ”…doomed to repeat it?”", ">\n\nWhy not just require a negative test from everyone?", ">\n\nWho would you expect to pay for that?", ">\n\nGovernments or sponsors from the private sector ideally, I honestly don’t give a fuck. I’ve gotten many free tests from both and I’ve also bought some for like $8.", ">\n\n“Here we go again” from everyone in the comments. \nThe virus never stopped, we did.", ">\n\nVirus will always be there. Permanent restrictions are unsustainable", ">\n\n3 years later...\nIs this permanent?", ">\n\nI doubt there's anything that would make Republicans running in 2024 happier then Democrats advocating for a return to COVID restrictions.", ">\n\nRight? It’d be like the democrats fighting for gun control, or gay and trans rights, or safe and legal abortions. It would be political suicide to stand for something that Republicans don’t like!", ">\n\nMy understanding is that everything you listed is broadly popular or has at least a majority of American's in favor of it. A return to COVID restrictions is not in that category.", ">\n\nGun control isn’t even universally loved amongst the American left, as the hard left needs them for protection from the hard right they clash with, and the middle left does like having their guns taken as much as any middle right wing does, only mid left likes it", ">\n\nGallup has 57% of Americans feeling that in general gun laws should be more strict.", ">\n\nRegular people want kids to stop dying while in school. The problem is \"stricter laws\" is vague and no one can agree on what it means or give a serious proposal that would work, short of confiscation and bans, which are wildly unpopular.", ">\n\nVague political talking points is the best we’re going to get. Much as I’d love a Ross Perot style of breaking down every platform and promise, the general public doesn’t go for it. Buzz words are all we have the attention span for.", ">\n\nChina's COVID-19 surge raises odds of new coronavirus variants\nThings could get very ugly.", ">\n\nYou say this like covid hasn't been spreading rampantly through literally every country on the planet, mostly without any measures to stop the spread. Why does China get a different treatment and maybe countries should require tests from the US or Inida or Europe?", ">\n\nI agree. US was primarily the culprit of why COVID went rampant to begin with. We actively refused to enforce any sort of safety measures, just a mild suggestion of \"maybe wear a mask, if you want to, it's ok if you don't\" and \"we have vaccines if you want one, no pressure tho\". That was really our response to the world's deadliest pandemic.", ">\n\nWe actively made fun of zero covid approaches on reddit and now based on the comments on this thread we are suddenly pro “zero covid” approaches", ">\n\nEveryone finally watched contagion", ">\n\nSo far my 2023 bingo card is reading alooot of skull and crossbones, I think I might actually win at something next year, what does your score card look like?", ">\n\nWhen’s that $1200 going to hit my account?", ">\n\nI’m still living off mine from last time!", ">\n\nI’m still looking for mine", ">\n\nI’m waiting for that $600 bucks from Biden still, but that’s going right into my retirement!", ">\n\nYou dont get he meant to include any money you already received as well /s", ">\n\nI seem to remember campaign ads with $2000 checks.", ">\n\nYep they explicitly mentioned $2,000 checks.", ">\n\nMy comment was sarcasm but in retrospect there are so many neoliberals saying that word for word in all seriousness that I should and will add a sarcasm tag", ">\n\nThat's nice and all, but let's not act like we're not just ignoring our own COVID problems.", ">\n\n\n\"You don't have zero tolerance anymore? We can't tolerate that.\"\n\n- Country with 100% tolerance", ">\n\nWhy not require a negative COVID test from everyone entering the country? It’s like they don’t want COVID to be under control.", ">\n\nI think this is because China has a relatively low vaccination rate because they relied on lock downs. Now that lock downs are being ramped down, they are having a huge surge.", ">\n\nThe vaccination rate in China is considerably higher than the US (92% vs 81%). This is just another example of yellow peril", ">\n\nThank you for pointing this out. What I said above was wrong about the vaccination rate. I don’t know why exactly China is having a surge. 🤷‍♂️", ">\n\nTheir vaccination rate is high but their vaccine, SinoVac is based on old tech. It conveys effectively zero protection from variants when compared to all the other types of vaccines on the market.", ">\n\nYou guys are so full of shit. At 3 doses Sinovac gives the same protection as any western vaccine with boosters to help mitigate mutated variants. Stop spreading misinfo.", ">\n\n\"Does that thumbnail of someone getting tested read too much like 'screaming uselessly into the void'?\"\n\"I'm sure it'll be fine.\"", ">\n\nMaybe, just maybe they shouldnt have stopped testing airplane passengers in the first place... \nWe have cheap, readily available tests that take 10 minutes to complete. There’s really no reason not to test ever passenger before boarding...", ">\n\nEveryone I know who had Omicron tested negative until their symptoms cleared. It was evading the RATs, for some reason.", ">\n\nI tested positive on a rapid test two days after getting congested. Every teacher coworker of mine who bothered to test after getting cold symptoms also did. I think it's why so few parents now test their kids before sending time to school sick. They don't want to know so we all find out when we or our family members then test positive, missing work on their sick kids' behalf so they didn't have to. \nI have also heard the rapid test can give false negatives but anecdotal references don't mean much.", ">\n\nA day late and a dollar short. Same old song and dance.", ">\n\nWow, it’s like history literally repeating itself.", ">\n\nIndeed it is. I hope everyone is prepared for what’s next.", ">\n\nWe should require negative COVID tests for people to fly within the US, too.\nIt makes no difference to me if the person who infects me at LAX is coming in from China, or from Texas.", ">\n\nThere is a high chance anyone that comes from China has Covid right now. Low chance that someone inside America has.", ">\n\nNaw. China’s percent is much higher, sure, but it’s not like US infection rates are low. You can pretty much guarantee an infected American on every sold out domestic flight. The latest variants are super, super contagious, and it only takes one infected person to pose a serious risk to the other people sharing their space, and then all of their families and friends after they land. All flights should still require testing and masking at this point, or all we’ve really accomplished is pacifying the dimwits and xenophobes.\nI know at least 3 people who 100% contracted COVID while flying domestically in the US this last month - because they were isolated for the incubation period beforehand. They were masked the entire time they were in the airport and on the plane.", ">\n\nIf they were masked up and I assume vaccinated and still caught the virus then preventable measures like these aren’t that effective.", ">\n\nIs there a new strain of Covid that isn't in the U.S yet, otherwise what's the point.", ">\n\nUm testing should not ever stop.", ">\n\nAh shit here we go again", ">\n\n\"Who left the fridge open?\"", ">\n\nIt's \"just a cold\" unless it's a non-white person from another country carrying it.\n/s", ">\n\nChina implemented an ineffective vaccine and had 30m+ cases in one day. It’s specifically that gov. refusing to use effective vaccines", ">\n\nAnd the United States had effective vaccines that half the country is not willing to nor willing to wear masks, while complaining to other countries like China about their travel restrictions (from China and Hong Kong). And honestly I’m not oppose to a tighter restriction on China while they are experiencing a surge in new cases just as it did with any other countries that initially loosen covid restrictions, what makes me question this being race or politically motivated is the hypocrisy; people complained about China being oppressive when it was enforcing all the covid restrictions and when they loosen it “China doesn’t care about human lives”.\nSo what exactly do you want them to do?", ">\n\n\nto Require Negative Covid Tests for Travelers From China\n\nLuckily China is well known for its systemic unwillingness to fake or counterfeit things, so everything should be fine.\nhonest.", ">\n\nSeems purely retaliatory with no actual effectiveness.\nEnforcement is over a week away and presumably China has hit its peak already (flights being 40% positive)", ">\n\nThe rich rats are going to buy fake tests and jump ship breaking quarantine just like they did in the first wave. Cutting flights or enforcing quarantines is the only way to prevent this stuff from jumping oceans but god forbid anybody inhibit the jet setters.", ">\n\nHALF of the passengers on a plane from China going to Italy tested positive the other day (tested on arrival). Chances are most if not all of them had negative test results they could show that they took before they left. This won't do anything to stop people coming into the US while positive..we are going to have to go through this all over again and we won't have the same somewhat cooperative response in the US this time if it is a variant that evades immunity... It will get REALLY bad.", ">\n\nSeriously they know red states will just let them in and will never do another shut down again. So start dealt with out break countries this way to slow it down or corner it. But I see very very bad days ahead for China and Russia is starting to report out breaks too.", ">\n\nMust. When?", ">\n\nWe already require this from canada iirc\nEdit: i was wrong, canada requires it from us.", ">\n\nI hope we are talking PCR tests... those store-bought 15-minute ones struggle to get a positive if you have any sort of vaccination, even while symptomatic and miserable.", ">\n\nWell, a little bit of good news. I'll take it.", ">\n\nTravel should have been 100$ restricted a long time ago. Travel should be restricted to any country experiencing a COVID outbreak.", ">\n\nWonderful. Another round of Asian hating.", ">\n\nWho's hating on Asians? We're trying to stop this virus from killing people.", ">\n\nor… ban flights from china??", ">\n\nDoesn’t make sense in singling out China when covid is widespread in every single country", ">\n\nThe extent of covid in china atm is just absurd. Two weeks ago, they had 37 MILLION cases in one day. Think about that. Thats more people than a lot of countries! \nsource", ">\n\nI wonder why China has so much trouble with COVID compared to other countries, despite being so strict.", ">\n\nIt’s because they had the zero covid approaches that people are advocating for in this thread and they suddenly reversed course. Everyone in China is getting it so fast its likely the same variants quickly spreading in a population that suddenly reversed course. Having many people getting it over time and exposed to new generations of the virus (which is what happens over time) is more insidious but people here think thats fine", ">\n\nEveryone saying this is racist, do not pay attention to the world", ">\n\nIt was called racist and xenophobic when Trump did it. The left are hypocritical emotional wrecks.", ">\n\nnah trump was racist or did you forget he called it the “china virus” and subsequent hate crimes increased against adians", ">\n\nLet’s not change the subject. We’re talking about testing travelers from China here. Always trying to deflect.", ">\n\nIs that what he did, though? That and nothing else? This is a Fox News headline, but I bet there's a lot more to it. There usually is.\nFYI, Italy is also requiring testing of travelers from China at this time.\nBecause of the high number of cases in China at this time.", ">\n\nSo many dumb replies here. I am sad about where humankind is at.", ">\n\nRound two people", ">\n\nWe need to ramp up testing again at border.", ">\n\nChina trying to stop Covid…lol! Fail miserably at that, build a huge infected population, then unleash it on the world. Great job China /s", ">\n\nSell then the Moderna vaccine so they can treat themselves, ans end this debacle.", ">\n\nEven if US send Moderna and Phizer vaccine, China will not use it, because they boast about \"superior\" Chinese vaccine and don't want to lose face.\n​\nUntil they change their attitude, I suggest keeping restriction in place for PRC travelers.", ">\n\nOh definitely.", ">\n\nCCP exporting covid again.", ">\n\nPaywall - can anyone help me read the article? It sounds great in theory but why wait so long? That’s how this all started in 2020. Test now!", ">\n\nChina has been in quarantine until the protests. They have a very low of vaccinated people, so now everyone's breathing on each other's necks, squeezing in tight places and now introducing another pandemic. \nI believe a combination of everyone quarantined for too long and non vaccinated people are making this a very deadly spread.", ">\n\nTheir vaccination rate is not too bad, except among the elderly. But their vaccine was shit even before all the variants.\nThey've been trying to use lockdown to prevent spread and with the new variants that just won't work.\nSo yeah, they're pretty fucked.", ">\n\nVaccination rate is good, but the rate of people who are up to date on boosters is where they fall short even beyond just the elderly. It also doesn't help that the vaccine being used is overall less effective than the ones being used elsewhere like you said. Makes those booster shots many are lacking even more critical.", ">\n\nApparently Americans only get worried when it’s Chinese people spreading Covid as opposed to their own residents, citizens and Europeans.", ">\n\nseems xenophobic /s", ">\n\noh I'm sure conservatives will be very concerned about the \"freedoms\" of those travelers from China", ">\n\nHow's this going to work for the 75% of all our manufactured goods coming in from China?", ">\n\nThank God Biden is doing this if it was Trump they call him racist .", ">\n\nTrump admin did this and it was hailed as a great idea, because it was. And is.\nWho tf cares who the man or president is when it comes to health? Why are some people like this?", ">\n\nYou know that wasnt true.", ">\n\nWhy would they make a move that would indisputably send hundreds of thousands of infected into the wider world including those that may wind up being infected with a new variant or two? \nCan we at least conclude that China does not care about this possibility? Is that verboten to say?\nCan an axiomatically correct statement still result in a ban?", ">\n\nSounds kinda racist.", ">\n\nMakes absolute sense considering what's currently going on there. Canada should do the same. I'll even go as far as say suspend visas / entry from that part of the world temporarily, until they can get it under control", ">\n\nMakes sense. China is exploding with covid and who knows if/when the next bad variant develops there.", ">\n\nLmao Reddit enjoying their shut in lives so much I’d rather jump off the tallest bridge near me before going into lockdowns again.", ">\n\nXenophobia", ">\n\nXenophobic Biden", ">\n\nPeople are acting like Covid stopped spreading in the US… The US just decided to ignore it, that is until China gained more cases, and now it’s back to fear mongering Chinese people. I see that xenophobia is still alive and well in the US.", ">\n\nMy family and I caught covid during Thanksgiving after being careful for two years. Fortunately, we're all vaccinated so the symptoms didn't hit us too hard. We just got lax with being careful, but we'll probably be wearing our masks in crowded places just to be safe.", ">\n\nI never stopped wearing masks in the US while going to stores. The reality is we have had waves of Covid here in the US, and we have had different mutations of variants too.", ">\n\nThats racist. Biden should be ashamed of himself for allowing such bigotry and hatred towards our Chinese brethren.", ">\n\nThis applies to anyone traveling from China, not just the Chinese.", ">\n\nI wouldn’t think another country was rascist if the USA had a huge surge and temporarily suspended flights to:from the USA until the numbers came down.", ">\n\nSame biological warfare when westerners were entering into China in 2022?", ">\n\n50 Cent army, out in full force!", ">\n\nWhy are we letting anyone in from China?", ">\n\nCitizens and most permanent residents cannot be refused admission.", ">\n\nOh, here we go again.", ">\n\nKind of ironic seeing how the US has worse cases lmao", ">\n\nUS will keep up the bio attacks until the world complies with their foreign policy. Which is to keep China from becoming a threat to its hegemony", ">\n\nWeird how we can’t make our own citizens mask or test but we can make sure travelers from other places do \nWild how absolutely absurd the timeline we’re living in js" ]
> It’s not xenophobia, it’s (D)ifferent this time. Maybe if they let trump try this in the first place
[ "People from China will travel through Europe and come in to America from the east coast like they did when the pandemic started. This will do nothing if all travelers aboard aren’t made to test.", ">\n\nLet's hope EU and other countries do the same.", ">\n\nI don't know if they will. Australia (for example) had some of the toughest Covid policies and they've essentially just thrown them all out the window.\nSo I don't know how willing countries are to go back to being overly concerned about Covid.", ">\n\nThey should be concerned w chinese, it's spreading like wildfire in china. If we aren't careful, they will come out w covid 20.", ">\n\nIt’s spreading everywhere including the USA. This policy has nothing to do with science or medicine. It’s just politics.", ">\n\nNo. It’s circulating like mad in a population of 1 billion people who haven’t been exposed before. This is how new variants come about. Every country should require negative Covid test for china at least until it cycles through the population", ">\n\n\nNo. It’s circulating like mad in a population of 1 billion people who haven’t been exposed before.\n\nIt's also spreading like mad in all the countries of the world including the USA.\n\nThis is how new variants come about. \n\nAnd they have been for years now.\n\nEvery country should require negative Covid test for china at least until it cycles through the population\n\nOnly for political reasons. There is no scientific or rational demand for this. \nI get it, you hate china, most americans hate china so just be honest and say what you really mean.", ">\n\nStrains are spreading in the west yes, but there are new strains in China that are spreading and we don't know if our vaccines will work with those strains. We know the Chinese vaccines have a low efficacy rate and we know they are not mRNA vaccines which allow for easier adaptation to new strains. Making travelers with a Chinese passport take Covid tests at any and all airports is not racist or even unfair - a reminder that China has been relatively hard to travel to for the last 2 years because they were locked down to foreign travel as well. This is simply good policy from a public health measure, and you not wanting to see that for what it is and instead attribute it to a nascent American hatred for China is laughable. the World Health Organization estimated close to 800 million new cases in China in the next few months, with another estimate 4 million deaths and countless new strains coming out during that period. This is about protection populations, not punishing China.", ">\n\n\nStrains are spreading in the west yes, but there are new strains in China that are spreading and we don't know if our vaccines will work with those strains.\n\nYou don't know if vaccines work against any new variant even if that variant is from a country populated with white people.\n\nWe know the Chinese vaccines have a low efficacy rate and we know they are not mRNA vaccines which allow for easier adaptation to new strains. \n\nThe vaccine doesn't adapt once inside of your body you know that right?\n\nMaking travelers with a Chinese passport take Covid tests at any and all airports is not racist or even unfair \n\nit's definitely unfair and probably racist as well.\n\nhis is simply good policy from a public health measure, a\n\nA good policy would be to require vaccinations from everybody. Think about it, you are requiring a vaccine that you said doesn't even work. How much sense does that make?\n\nattribute it to a nascent American hatred for China is laughable.\n\nNascent?\n\nThis is about protection populations, not punishing China.\n\nIt's definitely about punishing china, it's a part of the current cold war with China conducted by the USA.", ">\n\n\nYou don't know if vaccines work against any new variant even if that variant is from a country populated with white people.\n\nAll the more reason to not invite more new strains into the country. White population or otherwise has nothing to do with it, expected rise in cases in China does.\n\nThe vaccine doesn't adapt once inside of your body you know that right?\n\nYou missed the point. The point i was making was that the Chinese medical system has not even approached Covid with an mRNA vaccine, and steadfastly refused to license western vaccines. If the vaccine most readily available in China has a 50% efficacy then the population is at more risk of contracting the virus and having negative results. The infection rates are increased with each new case of BA.7 (China is currently seeing each covid patient infecting on average 18 other people represented as 1:18, whereas the in US the rate is 1:3.9). Each of these factors increases the risk of developing new strains that are vaccine resistant. \n\nit's definitely unfair and probably racist as well\n\nIs it your position that nations cannot take any prescriptive action to prevent the spread of infected persons from other countries? Again i would remind you that China has basically been locked down for the last 2 years, with severe limitations to personal freedoms themselves. This is not based on race, but rather a government's inability to contain a contagious outbreak in their own country and not wanting it to spread. \n\nA good policy would be to require vaccinations from everybody. Think about it, you are requiring a vaccine that you said doesn't even work. How much sense does that make?\n\nThat might be your definition on good policy, but it isn't mine and that isn't how the west does it. \"I\" am not requiring a vaccine that \"I\" said doesn't work - that was your suggestion not mine. Also, i said the efficacy of the Chinese vaccine is 50% - based on available information - i never said it didn't work, and i never said that it should be mandatory or required.\n\nNascent?\n\nPoor and wrong word choice on my part it seems. What i meant was ascribing the US decision to require testing of Chinese travelers to racism because you believe that the US is racist is laughable. Taking a test to prove that you are covid negative is far less onerous on a traveler than most visa requirements.\n\nIt's definitely about punishing china, it's a part of the current cold war with China conducted by the USA.\n\nCite your sources. I could point to many Chinese government policies that i could say are part of the current cold war with the US without backing it up and it would be just as credible as what you said. Opinion is not a source, and not proof. You assume that the US government is racist, that this policy is racist and yet we have had travel bans imposed on other countries, as well as testing required for travelers from other countries imposed before, and other policies and so has China. For goodness sake China has been closed to foreigners for almost 3 years, and is still closed to foreign travel until January 2023. Is that a racist policy as well?", ">\n\nHere we go again.\nThis time I think I'll learn French cooking.", ">\n\n5000 People a day will have to die before Anybody says the word Lock down in the States ever again.", ">\n\nDon’t understand why people can’t handle staying at home for two weeks when it could potentially eradicate a deadly virus. Are we that weak?", ">\n\nWe did that in large part in March 2020. And did China not spend years locking down their citizens? \nPeoples savings are gone. They need to work. \nWearing a mask would do a lot to help the issue but people aren’t willing to do that anymore.", ">\n\nWe didn't do that though. We didn't all lock down when we were supposed to. Where I work I had to go in from the very start all the way through. Most people, the majority of people, didn't stay home even if they didn't have work. Most people didn't fuck with masks or keeping a distance, and even people who weren't antivaccers didn't take the vaccine seriously for the longest time. \nWe had no fucking lock down, unless you were a well-off celebrity or comedian who wanted to talk about being locked down for content. \nIf people legit locked down, they would have taken a small hit financially, but too many people didn't do shit and prolonged everything.", ">\n\nThe things is that it doesn't take long to drain peoples saving - becuase the overwhelming majority of people have practically none. \nSo an extended lockdown was never feasible unless the government was willing to pay several trillion dollars of expenses, not just 2 or 3 times but several times over.", ">\n\nI didn't dispute any of what you said. I pointed out that most people actively contested any safety measure and most people didn't actually lock down. Any extension will almost certainly be the fault of most of those people. \nI'd gladly let them all die if it meant the few people who did take things seriously didn't have to live through a Walking Dead scenario or have to take a huge financial hit because them.", ">\n\nMost people did lock down just fine initially. After a few weeks turned into a month or more, yeah people got testy.\nAdditionally, a gigantic amount of people work in critical industries and simply cant stay home. Just keeping the lights and water on requires tens of millions of workers, plus industries like plants and refineries that simply cannot shut down without massive long-term consequences.\nReddit is full of office people who can WFH, the vast majority of people cant.", ">\n\nI was one of those who couldn't stay home. Right out of the gate most people gave up on almost all of it except when they were making a show of complying when they had to. There was a lot of cheating. I walk through a lot of different areas. The waves of patients and bodies we got at work tracked with that and became predictable.", ">\n\nWhat’s that saying that ends with ”…doomed to repeat it?”", ">\n\nWhy not just require a negative test from everyone?", ">\n\nWho would you expect to pay for that?", ">\n\nGovernments or sponsors from the private sector ideally, I honestly don’t give a fuck. I’ve gotten many free tests from both and I’ve also bought some for like $8.", ">\n\n“Here we go again” from everyone in the comments. \nThe virus never stopped, we did.", ">\n\nVirus will always be there. Permanent restrictions are unsustainable", ">\n\n3 years later...\nIs this permanent?", ">\n\nI doubt there's anything that would make Republicans running in 2024 happier then Democrats advocating for a return to COVID restrictions.", ">\n\nRight? It’d be like the democrats fighting for gun control, or gay and trans rights, or safe and legal abortions. It would be political suicide to stand for something that Republicans don’t like!", ">\n\nMy understanding is that everything you listed is broadly popular or has at least a majority of American's in favor of it. A return to COVID restrictions is not in that category.", ">\n\nGun control isn’t even universally loved amongst the American left, as the hard left needs them for protection from the hard right they clash with, and the middle left does like having their guns taken as much as any middle right wing does, only mid left likes it", ">\n\nGallup has 57% of Americans feeling that in general gun laws should be more strict.", ">\n\nRegular people want kids to stop dying while in school. The problem is \"stricter laws\" is vague and no one can agree on what it means or give a serious proposal that would work, short of confiscation and bans, which are wildly unpopular.", ">\n\nVague political talking points is the best we’re going to get. Much as I’d love a Ross Perot style of breaking down every platform and promise, the general public doesn’t go for it. Buzz words are all we have the attention span for.", ">\n\nChina's COVID-19 surge raises odds of new coronavirus variants\nThings could get very ugly.", ">\n\nYou say this like covid hasn't been spreading rampantly through literally every country on the planet, mostly without any measures to stop the spread. Why does China get a different treatment and maybe countries should require tests from the US or Inida or Europe?", ">\n\nI agree. US was primarily the culprit of why COVID went rampant to begin with. We actively refused to enforce any sort of safety measures, just a mild suggestion of \"maybe wear a mask, if you want to, it's ok if you don't\" and \"we have vaccines if you want one, no pressure tho\". That was really our response to the world's deadliest pandemic.", ">\n\nWe actively made fun of zero covid approaches on reddit and now based on the comments on this thread we are suddenly pro “zero covid” approaches", ">\n\nEveryone finally watched contagion", ">\n\nSo far my 2023 bingo card is reading alooot of skull and crossbones, I think I might actually win at something next year, what does your score card look like?", ">\n\nWhen’s that $1200 going to hit my account?", ">\n\nI’m still living off mine from last time!", ">\n\nI’m still looking for mine", ">\n\nI’m waiting for that $600 bucks from Biden still, but that’s going right into my retirement!", ">\n\nYou dont get he meant to include any money you already received as well /s", ">\n\nI seem to remember campaign ads with $2000 checks.", ">\n\nYep they explicitly mentioned $2,000 checks.", ">\n\nMy comment was sarcasm but in retrospect there are so many neoliberals saying that word for word in all seriousness that I should and will add a sarcasm tag", ">\n\nThat's nice and all, but let's not act like we're not just ignoring our own COVID problems.", ">\n\n\n\"You don't have zero tolerance anymore? We can't tolerate that.\"\n\n- Country with 100% tolerance", ">\n\nWhy not require a negative COVID test from everyone entering the country? It’s like they don’t want COVID to be under control.", ">\n\nI think this is because China has a relatively low vaccination rate because they relied on lock downs. Now that lock downs are being ramped down, they are having a huge surge.", ">\n\nThe vaccination rate in China is considerably higher than the US (92% vs 81%). This is just another example of yellow peril", ">\n\nThank you for pointing this out. What I said above was wrong about the vaccination rate. I don’t know why exactly China is having a surge. 🤷‍♂️", ">\n\nTheir vaccination rate is high but their vaccine, SinoVac is based on old tech. It conveys effectively zero protection from variants when compared to all the other types of vaccines on the market.", ">\n\nYou guys are so full of shit. At 3 doses Sinovac gives the same protection as any western vaccine with boosters to help mitigate mutated variants. Stop spreading misinfo.", ">\n\n\"Does that thumbnail of someone getting tested read too much like 'screaming uselessly into the void'?\"\n\"I'm sure it'll be fine.\"", ">\n\nMaybe, just maybe they shouldnt have stopped testing airplane passengers in the first place... \nWe have cheap, readily available tests that take 10 minutes to complete. There’s really no reason not to test ever passenger before boarding...", ">\n\nEveryone I know who had Omicron tested negative until their symptoms cleared. It was evading the RATs, for some reason.", ">\n\nI tested positive on a rapid test two days after getting congested. Every teacher coworker of mine who bothered to test after getting cold symptoms also did. I think it's why so few parents now test their kids before sending time to school sick. They don't want to know so we all find out when we or our family members then test positive, missing work on their sick kids' behalf so they didn't have to. \nI have also heard the rapid test can give false negatives but anecdotal references don't mean much.", ">\n\nA day late and a dollar short. Same old song and dance.", ">\n\nWow, it’s like history literally repeating itself.", ">\n\nIndeed it is. I hope everyone is prepared for what’s next.", ">\n\nWe should require negative COVID tests for people to fly within the US, too.\nIt makes no difference to me if the person who infects me at LAX is coming in from China, or from Texas.", ">\n\nThere is a high chance anyone that comes from China has Covid right now. Low chance that someone inside America has.", ">\n\nNaw. China’s percent is much higher, sure, but it’s not like US infection rates are low. You can pretty much guarantee an infected American on every sold out domestic flight. The latest variants are super, super contagious, and it only takes one infected person to pose a serious risk to the other people sharing their space, and then all of their families and friends after they land. All flights should still require testing and masking at this point, or all we’ve really accomplished is pacifying the dimwits and xenophobes.\nI know at least 3 people who 100% contracted COVID while flying domestically in the US this last month - because they were isolated for the incubation period beforehand. They were masked the entire time they were in the airport and on the plane.", ">\n\nIf they were masked up and I assume vaccinated and still caught the virus then preventable measures like these aren’t that effective.", ">\n\nIs there a new strain of Covid that isn't in the U.S yet, otherwise what's the point.", ">\n\nUm testing should not ever stop.", ">\n\nAh shit here we go again", ">\n\n\"Who left the fridge open?\"", ">\n\nIt's \"just a cold\" unless it's a non-white person from another country carrying it.\n/s", ">\n\nChina implemented an ineffective vaccine and had 30m+ cases in one day. It’s specifically that gov. refusing to use effective vaccines", ">\n\nAnd the United States had effective vaccines that half the country is not willing to nor willing to wear masks, while complaining to other countries like China about their travel restrictions (from China and Hong Kong). And honestly I’m not oppose to a tighter restriction on China while they are experiencing a surge in new cases just as it did with any other countries that initially loosen covid restrictions, what makes me question this being race or politically motivated is the hypocrisy; people complained about China being oppressive when it was enforcing all the covid restrictions and when they loosen it “China doesn’t care about human lives”.\nSo what exactly do you want them to do?", ">\n\n\nto Require Negative Covid Tests for Travelers From China\n\nLuckily China is well known for its systemic unwillingness to fake or counterfeit things, so everything should be fine.\nhonest.", ">\n\nSeems purely retaliatory with no actual effectiveness.\nEnforcement is over a week away and presumably China has hit its peak already (flights being 40% positive)", ">\n\nThe rich rats are going to buy fake tests and jump ship breaking quarantine just like they did in the first wave. Cutting flights or enforcing quarantines is the only way to prevent this stuff from jumping oceans but god forbid anybody inhibit the jet setters.", ">\n\nHALF of the passengers on a plane from China going to Italy tested positive the other day (tested on arrival). Chances are most if not all of them had negative test results they could show that they took before they left. This won't do anything to stop people coming into the US while positive..we are going to have to go through this all over again and we won't have the same somewhat cooperative response in the US this time if it is a variant that evades immunity... It will get REALLY bad.", ">\n\nSeriously they know red states will just let them in and will never do another shut down again. So start dealt with out break countries this way to slow it down or corner it. But I see very very bad days ahead for China and Russia is starting to report out breaks too.", ">\n\nMust. When?", ">\n\nWe already require this from canada iirc\nEdit: i was wrong, canada requires it from us.", ">\n\nI hope we are talking PCR tests... those store-bought 15-minute ones struggle to get a positive if you have any sort of vaccination, even while symptomatic and miserable.", ">\n\nWell, a little bit of good news. I'll take it.", ">\n\nTravel should have been 100$ restricted a long time ago. Travel should be restricted to any country experiencing a COVID outbreak.", ">\n\nWonderful. Another round of Asian hating.", ">\n\nWho's hating on Asians? We're trying to stop this virus from killing people.", ">\n\nor… ban flights from china??", ">\n\nDoesn’t make sense in singling out China when covid is widespread in every single country", ">\n\nThe extent of covid in china atm is just absurd. Two weeks ago, they had 37 MILLION cases in one day. Think about that. Thats more people than a lot of countries! \nsource", ">\n\nI wonder why China has so much trouble with COVID compared to other countries, despite being so strict.", ">\n\nIt’s because they had the zero covid approaches that people are advocating for in this thread and they suddenly reversed course. Everyone in China is getting it so fast its likely the same variants quickly spreading in a population that suddenly reversed course. Having many people getting it over time and exposed to new generations of the virus (which is what happens over time) is more insidious but people here think thats fine", ">\n\nEveryone saying this is racist, do not pay attention to the world", ">\n\nIt was called racist and xenophobic when Trump did it. The left are hypocritical emotional wrecks.", ">\n\nnah trump was racist or did you forget he called it the “china virus” and subsequent hate crimes increased against adians", ">\n\nLet’s not change the subject. We’re talking about testing travelers from China here. Always trying to deflect.", ">\n\nIs that what he did, though? That and nothing else? This is a Fox News headline, but I bet there's a lot more to it. There usually is.\nFYI, Italy is also requiring testing of travelers from China at this time.\nBecause of the high number of cases in China at this time.", ">\n\nSo many dumb replies here. I am sad about where humankind is at.", ">\n\nRound two people", ">\n\nWe need to ramp up testing again at border.", ">\n\nChina trying to stop Covid…lol! Fail miserably at that, build a huge infected population, then unleash it on the world. Great job China /s", ">\n\nSell then the Moderna vaccine so they can treat themselves, ans end this debacle.", ">\n\nEven if US send Moderna and Phizer vaccine, China will not use it, because they boast about \"superior\" Chinese vaccine and don't want to lose face.\n​\nUntil they change their attitude, I suggest keeping restriction in place for PRC travelers.", ">\n\nOh definitely.", ">\n\nCCP exporting covid again.", ">\n\nPaywall - can anyone help me read the article? It sounds great in theory but why wait so long? That’s how this all started in 2020. Test now!", ">\n\nChina has been in quarantine until the protests. They have a very low of vaccinated people, so now everyone's breathing on each other's necks, squeezing in tight places and now introducing another pandemic. \nI believe a combination of everyone quarantined for too long and non vaccinated people are making this a very deadly spread.", ">\n\nTheir vaccination rate is not too bad, except among the elderly. But their vaccine was shit even before all the variants.\nThey've been trying to use lockdown to prevent spread and with the new variants that just won't work.\nSo yeah, they're pretty fucked.", ">\n\nVaccination rate is good, but the rate of people who are up to date on boosters is where they fall short even beyond just the elderly. It also doesn't help that the vaccine being used is overall less effective than the ones being used elsewhere like you said. Makes those booster shots many are lacking even more critical.", ">\n\nApparently Americans only get worried when it’s Chinese people spreading Covid as opposed to their own residents, citizens and Europeans.", ">\n\nseems xenophobic /s", ">\n\noh I'm sure conservatives will be very concerned about the \"freedoms\" of those travelers from China", ">\n\nHow's this going to work for the 75% of all our manufactured goods coming in from China?", ">\n\nThank God Biden is doing this if it was Trump they call him racist .", ">\n\nTrump admin did this and it was hailed as a great idea, because it was. And is.\nWho tf cares who the man or president is when it comes to health? Why are some people like this?", ">\n\nYou know that wasnt true.", ">\n\nWhy would they make a move that would indisputably send hundreds of thousands of infected into the wider world including those that may wind up being infected with a new variant or two? \nCan we at least conclude that China does not care about this possibility? Is that verboten to say?\nCan an axiomatically correct statement still result in a ban?", ">\n\nSounds kinda racist.", ">\n\nMakes absolute sense considering what's currently going on there. Canada should do the same. I'll even go as far as say suspend visas / entry from that part of the world temporarily, until they can get it under control", ">\n\nMakes sense. China is exploding with covid and who knows if/when the next bad variant develops there.", ">\n\nLmao Reddit enjoying their shut in lives so much I’d rather jump off the tallest bridge near me before going into lockdowns again.", ">\n\nXenophobia", ">\n\nXenophobic Biden", ">\n\nPeople are acting like Covid stopped spreading in the US… The US just decided to ignore it, that is until China gained more cases, and now it’s back to fear mongering Chinese people. I see that xenophobia is still alive and well in the US.", ">\n\nMy family and I caught covid during Thanksgiving after being careful for two years. Fortunately, we're all vaccinated so the symptoms didn't hit us too hard. We just got lax with being careful, but we'll probably be wearing our masks in crowded places just to be safe.", ">\n\nI never stopped wearing masks in the US while going to stores. The reality is we have had waves of Covid here in the US, and we have had different mutations of variants too.", ">\n\nThats racist. Biden should be ashamed of himself for allowing such bigotry and hatred towards our Chinese brethren.", ">\n\nThis applies to anyone traveling from China, not just the Chinese.", ">\n\nI wouldn’t think another country was rascist if the USA had a huge surge and temporarily suspended flights to:from the USA until the numbers came down.", ">\n\nSame biological warfare when westerners were entering into China in 2022?", ">\n\n50 Cent army, out in full force!", ">\n\nWhy are we letting anyone in from China?", ">\n\nCitizens and most permanent residents cannot be refused admission.", ">\n\nOh, here we go again.", ">\n\nKind of ironic seeing how the US has worse cases lmao", ">\n\nUS will keep up the bio attacks until the world complies with their foreign policy. Which is to keep China from becoming a threat to its hegemony", ">\n\nWeird how we can’t make our own citizens mask or test but we can make sure travelers from other places do \nWild how absolutely absurd the timeline we’re living in js", ">\n\nGood. We should not allow anyone from any country the opportunity to enter our country without proof." ]
> This just adds fuel to racist anti-Asian sentiment in the US. What about all the people on the plane with Chinese travelers who aren't Chinese? If the situation warrants testing of anyone, it warrants testing of everyone.
[ "People from China will travel through Europe and come in to America from the east coast like they did when the pandemic started. This will do nothing if all travelers aboard aren’t made to test.", ">\n\nLet's hope EU and other countries do the same.", ">\n\nI don't know if they will. Australia (for example) had some of the toughest Covid policies and they've essentially just thrown them all out the window.\nSo I don't know how willing countries are to go back to being overly concerned about Covid.", ">\n\nThey should be concerned w chinese, it's spreading like wildfire in china. If we aren't careful, they will come out w covid 20.", ">\n\nIt’s spreading everywhere including the USA. This policy has nothing to do with science or medicine. It’s just politics.", ">\n\nNo. It’s circulating like mad in a population of 1 billion people who haven’t been exposed before. This is how new variants come about. Every country should require negative Covid test for china at least until it cycles through the population", ">\n\n\nNo. It’s circulating like mad in a population of 1 billion people who haven’t been exposed before.\n\nIt's also spreading like mad in all the countries of the world including the USA.\n\nThis is how new variants come about. \n\nAnd they have been for years now.\n\nEvery country should require negative Covid test for china at least until it cycles through the population\n\nOnly for political reasons. There is no scientific or rational demand for this. \nI get it, you hate china, most americans hate china so just be honest and say what you really mean.", ">\n\nStrains are spreading in the west yes, but there are new strains in China that are spreading and we don't know if our vaccines will work with those strains. We know the Chinese vaccines have a low efficacy rate and we know they are not mRNA vaccines which allow for easier adaptation to new strains. Making travelers with a Chinese passport take Covid tests at any and all airports is not racist or even unfair - a reminder that China has been relatively hard to travel to for the last 2 years because they were locked down to foreign travel as well. This is simply good policy from a public health measure, and you not wanting to see that for what it is and instead attribute it to a nascent American hatred for China is laughable. the World Health Organization estimated close to 800 million new cases in China in the next few months, with another estimate 4 million deaths and countless new strains coming out during that period. This is about protection populations, not punishing China.", ">\n\n\nStrains are spreading in the west yes, but there are new strains in China that are spreading and we don't know if our vaccines will work with those strains.\n\nYou don't know if vaccines work against any new variant even if that variant is from a country populated with white people.\n\nWe know the Chinese vaccines have a low efficacy rate and we know they are not mRNA vaccines which allow for easier adaptation to new strains. \n\nThe vaccine doesn't adapt once inside of your body you know that right?\n\nMaking travelers with a Chinese passport take Covid tests at any and all airports is not racist or even unfair \n\nit's definitely unfair and probably racist as well.\n\nhis is simply good policy from a public health measure, a\n\nA good policy would be to require vaccinations from everybody. Think about it, you are requiring a vaccine that you said doesn't even work. How much sense does that make?\n\nattribute it to a nascent American hatred for China is laughable.\n\nNascent?\n\nThis is about protection populations, not punishing China.\n\nIt's definitely about punishing china, it's a part of the current cold war with China conducted by the USA.", ">\n\n\nYou don't know if vaccines work against any new variant even if that variant is from a country populated with white people.\n\nAll the more reason to not invite more new strains into the country. White population or otherwise has nothing to do with it, expected rise in cases in China does.\n\nThe vaccine doesn't adapt once inside of your body you know that right?\n\nYou missed the point. The point i was making was that the Chinese medical system has not even approached Covid with an mRNA vaccine, and steadfastly refused to license western vaccines. If the vaccine most readily available in China has a 50% efficacy then the population is at more risk of contracting the virus and having negative results. The infection rates are increased with each new case of BA.7 (China is currently seeing each covid patient infecting on average 18 other people represented as 1:18, whereas the in US the rate is 1:3.9). Each of these factors increases the risk of developing new strains that are vaccine resistant. \n\nit's definitely unfair and probably racist as well\n\nIs it your position that nations cannot take any prescriptive action to prevent the spread of infected persons from other countries? Again i would remind you that China has basically been locked down for the last 2 years, with severe limitations to personal freedoms themselves. This is not based on race, but rather a government's inability to contain a contagious outbreak in their own country and not wanting it to spread. \n\nA good policy would be to require vaccinations from everybody. Think about it, you are requiring a vaccine that you said doesn't even work. How much sense does that make?\n\nThat might be your definition on good policy, but it isn't mine and that isn't how the west does it. \"I\" am not requiring a vaccine that \"I\" said doesn't work - that was your suggestion not mine. Also, i said the efficacy of the Chinese vaccine is 50% - based on available information - i never said it didn't work, and i never said that it should be mandatory or required.\n\nNascent?\n\nPoor and wrong word choice on my part it seems. What i meant was ascribing the US decision to require testing of Chinese travelers to racism because you believe that the US is racist is laughable. Taking a test to prove that you are covid negative is far less onerous on a traveler than most visa requirements.\n\nIt's definitely about punishing china, it's a part of the current cold war with China conducted by the USA.\n\nCite your sources. I could point to many Chinese government policies that i could say are part of the current cold war with the US without backing it up and it would be just as credible as what you said. Opinion is not a source, and not proof. You assume that the US government is racist, that this policy is racist and yet we have had travel bans imposed on other countries, as well as testing required for travelers from other countries imposed before, and other policies and so has China. For goodness sake China has been closed to foreigners for almost 3 years, and is still closed to foreign travel until January 2023. Is that a racist policy as well?", ">\n\nHere we go again.\nThis time I think I'll learn French cooking.", ">\n\n5000 People a day will have to die before Anybody says the word Lock down in the States ever again.", ">\n\nDon’t understand why people can’t handle staying at home for two weeks when it could potentially eradicate a deadly virus. Are we that weak?", ">\n\nWe did that in large part in March 2020. And did China not spend years locking down their citizens? \nPeoples savings are gone. They need to work. \nWearing a mask would do a lot to help the issue but people aren’t willing to do that anymore.", ">\n\nWe didn't do that though. We didn't all lock down when we were supposed to. Where I work I had to go in from the very start all the way through. Most people, the majority of people, didn't stay home even if they didn't have work. Most people didn't fuck with masks or keeping a distance, and even people who weren't antivaccers didn't take the vaccine seriously for the longest time. \nWe had no fucking lock down, unless you were a well-off celebrity or comedian who wanted to talk about being locked down for content. \nIf people legit locked down, they would have taken a small hit financially, but too many people didn't do shit and prolonged everything.", ">\n\nThe things is that it doesn't take long to drain peoples saving - becuase the overwhelming majority of people have practically none. \nSo an extended lockdown was never feasible unless the government was willing to pay several trillion dollars of expenses, not just 2 or 3 times but several times over.", ">\n\nI didn't dispute any of what you said. I pointed out that most people actively contested any safety measure and most people didn't actually lock down. Any extension will almost certainly be the fault of most of those people. \nI'd gladly let them all die if it meant the few people who did take things seriously didn't have to live through a Walking Dead scenario or have to take a huge financial hit because them.", ">\n\nMost people did lock down just fine initially. After a few weeks turned into a month or more, yeah people got testy.\nAdditionally, a gigantic amount of people work in critical industries and simply cant stay home. Just keeping the lights and water on requires tens of millions of workers, plus industries like plants and refineries that simply cannot shut down without massive long-term consequences.\nReddit is full of office people who can WFH, the vast majority of people cant.", ">\n\nI was one of those who couldn't stay home. Right out of the gate most people gave up on almost all of it except when they were making a show of complying when they had to. There was a lot of cheating. I walk through a lot of different areas. The waves of patients and bodies we got at work tracked with that and became predictable.", ">\n\nWhat’s that saying that ends with ”…doomed to repeat it?”", ">\n\nWhy not just require a negative test from everyone?", ">\n\nWho would you expect to pay for that?", ">\n\nGovernments or sponsors from the private sector ideally, I honestly don’t give a fuck. I’ve gotten many free tests from both and I’ve also bought some for like $8.", ">\n\n“Here we go again” from everyone in the comments. \nThe virus never stopped, we did.", ">\n\nVirus will always be there. Permanent restrictions are unsustainable", ">\n\n3 years later...\nIs this permanent?", ">\n\nI doubt there's anything that would make Republicans running in 2024 happier then Democrats advocating for a return to COVID restrictions.", ">\n\nRight? It’d be like the democrats fighting for gun control, or gay and trans rights, or safe and legal abortions. It would be political suicide to stand for something that Republicans don’t like!", ">\n\nMy understanding is that everything you listed is broadly popular or has at least a majority of American's in favor of it. A return to COVID restrictions is not in that category.", ">\n\nGun control isn’t even universally loved amongst the American left, as the hard left needs them for protection from the hard right they clash with, and the middle left does like having their guns taken as much as any middle right wing does, only mid left likes it", ">\n\nGallup has 57% of Americans feeling that in general gun laws should be more strict.", ">\n\nRegular people want kids to stop dying while in school. The problem is \"stricter laws\" is vague and no one can agree on what it means or give a serious proposal that would work, short of confiscation and bans, which are wildly unpopular.", ">\n\nVague political talking points is the best we’re going to get. Much as I’d love a Ross Perot style of breaking down every platform and promise, the general public doesn’t go for it. Buzz words are all we have the attention span for.", ">\n\nChina's COVID-19 surge raises odds of new coronavirus variants\nThings could get very ugly.", ">\n\nYou say this like covid hasn't been spreading rampantly through literally every country on the planet, mostly without any measures to stop the spread. Why does China get a different treatment and maybe countries should require tests from the US or Inida or Europe?", ">\n\nI agree. US was primarily the culprit of why COVID went rampant to begin with. We actively refused to enforce any sort of safety measures, just a mild suggestion of \"maybe wear a mask, if you want to, it's ok if you don't\" and \"we have vaccines if you want one, no pressure tho\". That was really our response to the world's deadliest pandemic.", ">\n\nWe actively made fun of zero covid approaches on reddit and now based on the comments on this thread we are suddenly pro “zero covid” approaches", ">\n\nEveryone finally watched contagion", ">\n\nSo far my 2023 bingo card is reading alooot of skull and crossbones, I think I might actually win at something next year, what does your score card look like?", ">\n\nWhen’s that $1200 going to hit my account?", ">\n\nI’m still living off mine from last time!", ">\n\nI’m still looking for mine", ">\n\nI’m waiting for that $600 bucks from Biden still, but that’s going right into my retirement!", ">\n\nYou dont get he meant to include any money you already received as well /s", ">\n\nI seem to remember campaign ads with $2000 checks.", ">\n\nYep they explicitly mentioned $2,000 checks.", ">\n\nMy comment was sarcasm but in retrospect there are so many neoliberals saying that word for word in all seriousness that I should and will add a sarcasm tag", ">\n\nThat's nice and all, but let's not act like we're not just ignoring our own COVID problems.", ">\n\n\n\"You don't have zero tolerance anymore? We can't tolerate that.\"\n\n- Country with 100% tolerance", ">\n\nWhy not require a negative COVID test from everyone entering the country? It’s like they don’t want COVID to be under control.", ">\n\nI think this is because China has a relatively low vaccination rate because they relied on lock downs. Now that lock downs are being ramped down, they are having a huge surge.", ">\n\nThe vaccination rate in China is considerably higher than the US (92% vs 81%). This is just another example of yellow peril", ">\n\nThank you for pointing this out. What I said above was wrong about the vaccination rate. I don’t know why exactly China is having a surge. 🤷‍♂️", ">\n\nTheir vaccination rate is high but their vaccine, SinoVac is based on old tech. It conveys effectively zero protection from variants when compared to all the other types of vaccines on the market.", ">\n\nYou guys are so full of shit. At 3 doses Sinovac gives the same protection as any western vaccine with boosters to help mitigate mutated variants. Stop spreading misinfo.", ">\n\n\"Does that thumbnail of someone getting tested read too much like 'screaming uselessly into the void'?\"\n\"I'm sure it'll be fine.\"", ">\n\nMaybe, just maybe they shouldnt have stopped testing airplane passengers in the first place... \nWe have cheap, readily available tests that take 10 minutes to complete. There’s really no reason not to test ever passenger before boarding...", ">\n\nEveryone I know who had Omicron tested negative until their symptoms cleared. It was evading the RATs, for some reason.", ">\n\nI tested positive on a rapid test two days after getting congested. Every teacher coworker of mine who bothered to test after getting cold symptoms also did. I think it's why so few parents now test their kids before sending time to school sick. They don't want to know so we all find out when we or our family members then test positive, missing work on their sick kids' behalf so they didn't have to. \nI have also heard the rapid test can give false negatives but anecdotal references don't mean much.", ">\n\nA day late and a dollar short. Same old song and dance.", ">\n\nWow, it’s like history literally repeating itself.", ">\n\nIndeed it is. I hope everyone is prepared for what’s next.", ">\n\nWe should require negative COVID tests for people to fly within the US, too.\nIt makes no difference to me if the person who infects me at LAX is coming in from China, or from Texas.", ">\n\nThere is a high chance anyone that comes from China has Covid right now. Low chance that someone inside America has.", ">\n\nNaw. China’s percent is much higher, sure, but it’s not like US infection rates are low. You can pretty much guarantee an infected American on every sold out domestic flight. The latest variants are super, super contagious, and it only takes one infected person to pose a serious risk to the other people sharing their space, and then all of their families and friends after they land. All flights should still require testing and masking at this point, or all we’ve really accomplished is pacifying the dimwits and xenophobes.\nI know at least 3 people who 100% contracted COVID while flying domestically in the US this last month - because they were isolated for the incubation period beforehand. They were masked the entire time they were in the airport and on the plane.", ">\n\nIf they were masked up and I assume vaccinated and still caught the virus then preventable measures like these aren’t that effective.", ">\n\nIs there a new strain of Covid that isn't in the U.S yet, otherwise what's the point.", ">\n\nUm testing should not ever stop.", ">\n\nAh shit here we go again", ">\n\n\"Who left the fridge open?\"", ">\n\nIt's \"just a cold\" unless it's a non-white person from another country carrying it.\n/s", ">\n\nChina implemented an ineffective vaccine and had 30m+ cases in one day. It’s specifically that gov. refusing to use effective vaccines", ">\n\nAnd the United States had effective vaccines that half the country is not willing to nor willing to wear masks, while complaining to other countries like China about their travel restrictions (from China and Hong Kong). And honestly I’m not oppose to a tighter restriction on China while they are experiencing a surge in new cases just as it did with any other countries that initially loosen covid restrictions, what makes me question this being race or politically motivated is the hypocrisy; people complained about China being oppressive when it was enforcing all the covid restrictions and when they loosen it “China doesn’t care about human lives”.\nSo what exactly do you want them to do?", ">\n\n\nto Require Negative Covid Tests for Travelers From China\n\nLuckily China is well known for its systemic unwillingness to fake or counterfeit things, so everything should be fine.\nhonest.", ">\n\nSeems purely retaliatory with no actual effectiveness.\nEnforcement is over a week away and presumably China has hit its peak already (flights being 40% positive)", ">\n\nThe rich rats are going to buy fake tests and jump ship breaking quarantine just like they did in the first wave. Cutting flights or enforcing quarantines is the only way to prevent this stuff from jumping oceans but god forbid anybody inhibit the jet setters.", ">\n\nHALF of the passengers on a plane from China going to Italy tested positive the other day (tested on arrival). Chances are most if not all of them had negative test results they could show that they took before they left. This won't do anything to stop people coming into the US while positive..we are going to have to go through this all over again and we won't have the same somewhat cooperative response in the US this time if it is a variant that evades immunity... It will get REALLY bad.", ">\n\nSeriously they know red states will just let them in and will never do another shut down again. So start dealt with out break countries this way to slow it down or corner it. But I see very very bad days ahead for China and Russia is starting to report out breaks too.", ">\n\nMust. When?", ">\n\nWe already require this from canada iirc\nEdit: i was wrong, canada requires it from us.", ">\n\nI hope we are talking PCR tests... those store-bought 15-minute ones struggle to get a positive if you have any sort of vaccination, even while symptomatic and miserable.", ">\n\nWell, a little bit of good news. I'll take it.", ">\n\nTravel should have been 100$ restricted a long time ago. Travel should be restricted to any country experiencing a COVID outbreak.", ">\n\nWonderful. Another round of Asian hating.", ">\n\nWho's hating on Asians? We're trying to stop this virus from killing people.", ">\n\nor… ban flights from china??", ">\n\nDoesn’t make sense in singling out China when covid is widespread in every single country", ">\n\nThe extent of covid in china atm is just absurd. Two weeks ago, they had 37 MILLION cases in one day. Think about that. Thats more people than a lot of countries! \nsource", ">\n\nI wonder why China has so much trouble with COVID compared to other countries, despite being so strict.", ">\n\nIt’s because they had the zero covid approaches that people are advocating for in this thread and they suddenly reversed course. Everyone in China is getting it so fast its likely the same variants quickly spreading in a population that suddenly reversed course. Having many people getting it over time and exposed to new generations of the virus (which is what happens over time) is more insidious but people here think thats fine", ">\n\nEveryone saying this is racist, do not pay attention to the world", ">\n\nIt was called racist and xenophobic when Trump did it. The left are hypocritical emotional wrecks.", ">\n\nnah trump was racist or did you forget he called it the “china virus” and subsequent hate crimes increased against adians", ">\n\nLet’s not change the subject. We’re talking about testing travelers from China here. Always trying to deflect.", ">\n\nIs that what he did, though? That and nothing else? This is a Fox News headline, but I bet there's a lot more to it. There usually is.\nFYI, Italy is also requiring testing of travelers from China at this time.\nBecause of the high number of cases in China at this time.", ">\n\nSo many dumb replies here. I am sad about where humankind is at.", ">\n\nRound two people", ">\n\nWe need to ramp up testing again at border.", ">\n\nChina trying to stop Covid…lol! Fail miserably at that, build a huge infected population, then unleash it on the world. Great job China /s", ">\n\nSell then the Moderna vaccine so they can treat themselves, ans end this debacle.", ">\n\nEven if US send Moderna and Phizer vaccine, China will not use it, because they boast about \"superior\" Chinese vaccine and don't want to lose face.\n​\nUntil they change their attitude, I suggest keeping restriction in place for PRC travelers.", ">\n\nOh definitely.", ">\n\nCCP exporting covid again.", ">\n\nPaywall - can anyone help me read the article? It sounds great in theory but why wait so long? That’s how this all started in 2020. Test now!", ">\n\nChina has been in quarantine until the protests. They have a very low of vaccinated people, so now everyone's breathing on each other's necks, squeezing in tight places and now introducing another pandemic. \nI believe a combination of everyone quarantined for too long and non vaccinated people are making this a very deadly spread.", ">\n\nTheir vaccination rate is not too bad, except among the elderly. But their vaccine was shit even before all the variants.\nThey've been trying to use lockdown to prevent spread and with the new variants that just won't work.\nSo yeah, they're pretty fucked.", ">\n\nVaccination rate is good, but the rate of people who are up to date on boosters is where they fall short even beyond just the elderly. It also doesn't help that the vaccine being used is overall less effective than the ones being used elsewhere like you said. Makes those booster shots many are lacking even more critical.", ">\n\nApparently Americans only get worried when it’s Chinese people spreading Covid as opposed to their own residents, citizens and Europeans.", ">\n\nseems xenophobic /s", ">\n\noh I'm sure conservatives will be very concerned about the \"freedoms\" of those travelers from China", ">\n\nHow's this going to work for the 75% of all our manufactured goods coming in from China?", ">\n\nThank God Biden is doing this if it was Trump they call him racist .", ">\n\nTrump admin did this and it was hailed as a great idea, because it was. And is.\nWho tf cares who the man or president is when it comes to health? Why are some people like this?", ">\n\nYou know that wasnt true.", ">\n\nWhy would they make a move that would indisputably send hundreds of thousands of infected into the wider world including those that may wind up being infected with a new variant or two? \nCan we at least conclude that China does not care about this possibility? Is that verboten to say?\nCan an axiomatically correct statement still result in a ban?", ">\n\nSounds kinda racist.", ">\n\nMakes absolute sense considering what's currently going on there. Canada should do the same. I'll even go as far as say suspend visas / entry from that part of the world temporarily, until they can get it under control", ">\n\nMakes sense. China is exploding with covid and who knows if/when the next bad variant develops there.", ">\n\nLmao Reddit enjoying their shut in lives so much I’d rather jump off the tallest bridge near me before going into lockdowns again.", ">\n\nXenophobia", ">\n\nXenophobic Biden", ">\n\nPeople are acting like Covid stopped spreading in the US… The US just decided to ignore it, that is until China gained more cases, and now it’s back to fear mongering Chinese people. I see that xenophobia is still alive and well in the US.", ">\n\nMy family and I caught covid during Thanksgiving after being careful for two years. Fortunately, we're all vaccinated so the symptoms didn't hit us too hard. We just got lax with being careful, but we'll probably be wearing our masks in crowded places just to be safe.", ">\n\nI never stopped wearing masks in the US while going to stores. The reality is we have had waves of Covid here in the US, and we have had different mutations of variants too.", ">\n\nThats racist. Biden should be ashamed of himself for allowing such bigotry and hatred towards our Chinese brethren.", ">\n\nThis applies to anyone traveling from China, not just the Chinese.", ">\n\nI wouldn’t think another country was rascist if the USA had a huge surge and temporarily suspended flights to:from the USA until the numbers came down.", ">\n\nSame biological warfare when westerners were entering into China in 2022?", ">\n\n50 Cent army, out in full force!", ">\n\nWhy are we letting anyone in from China?", ">\n\nCitizens and most permanent residents cannot be refused admission.", ">\n\nOh, here we go again.", ">\n\nKind of ironic seeing how the US has worse cases lmao", ">\n\nUS will keep up the bio attacks until the world complies with their foreign policy. Which is to keep China from becoming a threat to its hegemony", ">\n\nWeird how we can’t make our own citizens mask or test but we can make sure travelers from other places do \nWild how absolutely absurd the timeline we’re living in js", ">\n\nGood. We should not allow anyone from any country the opportunity to enter our country without proof.", ">\n\nIt’s not xenophobia, it’s (D)ifferent this time. Maybe if they let trump try this in the first place" ]
> This is just politics. Do we really want to pretend we don’t have an overwhelming amount of COVID cases right now in America? Everyone knows most people don’t test unless they’re very sick (which is rare now) and most who even do test use at home tests and don’t report the results. Can we really just not admit to ourselves as a nation that for the overwhelming majority of people COVID no longer poses a serious threat? Hospitalization, death and long COVID are statistically insignificant for healthy vaccinated individuals at this point I don’t see why anyone can see this as anymore than political posturing.
[ "People from China will travel through Europe and come in to America from the east coast like they did when the pandemic started. This will do nothing if all travelers aboard aren’t made to test.", ">\n\nLet's hope EU and other countries do the same.", ">\n\nI don't know if they will. Australia (for example) had some of the toughest Covid policies and they've essentially just thrown them all out the window.\nSo I don't know how willing countries are to go back to being overly concerned about Covid.", ">\n\nThey should be concerned w chinese, it's spreading like wildfire in china. If we aren't careful, they will come out w covid 20.", ">\n\nIt’s spreading everywhere including the USA. This policy has nothing to do with science or medicine. It’s just politics.", ">\n\nNo. It’s circulating like mad in a population of 1 billion people who haven’t been exposed before. This is how new variants come about. Every country should require negative Covid test for china at least until it cycles through the population", ">\n\n\nNo. It’s circulating like mad in a population of 1 billion people who haven’t been exposed before.\n\nIt's also spreading like mad in all the countries of the world including the USA.\n\nThis is how new variants come about. \n\nAnd they have been for years now.\n\nEvery country should require negative Covid test for china at least until it cycles through the population\n\nOnly for political reasons. There is no scientific or rational demand for this. \nI get it, you hate china, most americans hate china so just be honest and say what you really mean.", ">\n\nStrains are spreading in the west yes, but there are new strains in China that are spreading and we don't know if our vaccines will work with those strains. We know the Chinese vaccines have a low efficacy rate and we know they are not mRNA vaccines which allow for easier adaptation to new strains. Making travelers with a Chinese passport take Covid tests at any and all airports is not racist or even unfair - a reminder that China has been relatively hard to travel to for the last 2 years because they were locked down to foreign travel as well. This is simply good policy from a public health measure, and you not wanting to see that for what it is and instead attribute it to a nascent American hatred for China is laughable. the World Health Organization estimated close to 800 million new cases in China in the next few months, with another estimate 4 million deaths and countless new strains coming out during that period. This is about protection populations, not punishing China.", ">\n\n\nStrains are spreading in the west yes, but there are new strains in China that are spreading and we don't know if our vaccines will work with those strains.\n\nYou don't know if vaccines work against any new variant even if that variant is from a country populated with white people.\n\nWe know the Chinese vaccines have a low efficacy rate and we know they are not mRNA vaccines which allow for easier adaptation to new strains. \n\nThe vaccine doesn't adapt once inside of your body you know that right?\n\nMaking travelers with a Chinese passport take Covid tests at any and all airports is not racist or even unfair \n\nit's definitely unfair and probably racist as well.\n\nhis is simply good policy from a public health measure, a\n\nA good policy would be to require vaccinations from everybody. Think about it, you are requiring a vaccine that you said doesn't even work. How much sense does that make?\n\nattribute it to a nascent American hatred for China is laughable.\n\nNascent?\n\nThis is about protection populations, not punishing China.\n\nIt's definitely about punishing china, it's a part of the current cold war with China conducted by the USA.", ">\n\n\nYou don't know if vaccines work against any new variant even if that variant is from a country populated with white people.\n\nAll the more reason to not invite more new strains into the country. White population or otherwise has nothing to do with it, expected rise in cases in China does.\n\nThe vaccine doesn't adapt once inside of your body you know that right?\n\nYou missed the point. The point i was making was that the Chinese medical system has not even approached Covid with an mRNA vaccine, and steadfastly refused to license western vaccines. If the vaccine most readily available in China has a 50% efficacy then the population is at more risk of contracting the virus and having negative results. The infection rates are increased with each new case of BA.7 (China is currently seeing each covid patient infecting on average 18 other people represented as 1:18, whereas the in US the rate is 1:3.9). Each of these factors increases the risk of developing new strains that are vaccine resistant. \n\nit's definitely unfair and probably racist as well\n\nIs it your position that nations cannot take any prescriptive action to prevent the spread of infected persons from other countries? Again i would remind you that China has basically been locked down for the last 2 years, with severe limitations to personal freedoms themselves. This is not based on race, but rather a government's inability to contain a contagious outbreak in their own country and not wanting it to spread. \n\nA good policy would be to require vaccinations from everybody. Think about it, you are requiring a vaccine that you said doesn't even work. How much sense does that make?\n\nThat might be your definition on good policy, but it isn't mine and that isn't how the west does it. \"I\" am not requiring a vaccine that \"I\" said doesn't work - that was your suggestion not mine. Also, i said the efficacy of the Chinese vaccine is 50% - based on available information - i never said it didn't work, and i never said that it should be mandatory or required.\n\nNascent?\n\nPoor and wrong word choice on my part it seems. What i meant was ascribing the US decision to require testing of Chinese travelers to racism because you believe that the US is racist is laughable. Taking a test to prove that you are covid negative is far less onerous on a traveler than most visa requirements.\n\nIt's definitely about punishing china, it's a part of the current cold war with China conducted by the USA.\n\nCite your sources. I could point to many Chinese government policies that i could say are part of the current cold war with the US without backing it up and it would be just as credible as what you said. Opinion is not a source, and not proof. You assume that the US government is racist, that this policy is racist and yet we have had travel bans imposed on other countries, as well as testing required for travelers from other countries imposed before, and other policies and so has China. For goodness sake China has been closed to foreigners for almost 3 years, and is still closed to foreign travel until January 2023. Is that a racist policy as well?", ">\n\nHere we go again.\nThis time I think I'll learn French cooking.", ">\n\n5000 People a day will have to die before Anybody says the word Lock down in the States ever again.", ">\n\nDon’t understand why people can’t handle staying at home for two weeks when it could potentially eradicate a deadly virus. Are we that weak?", ">\n\nWe did that in large part in March 2020. And did China not spend years locking down their citizens? \nPeoples savings are gone. They need to work. \nWearing a mask would do a lot to help the issue but people aren’t willing to do that anymore.", ">\n\nWe didn't do that though. We didn't all lock down when we were supposed to. Where I work I had to go in from the very start all the way through. Most people, the majority of people, didn't stay home even if they didn't have work. Most people didn't fuck with masks or keeping a distance, and even people who weren't antivaccers didn't take the vaccine seriously for the longest time. \nWe had no fucking lock down, unless you were a well-off celebrity or comedian who wanted to talk about being locked down for content. \nIf people legit locked down, they would have taken a small hit financially, but too many people didn't do shit and prolonged everything.", ">\n\nThe things is that it doesn't take long to drain peoples saving - becuase the overwhelming majority of people have practically none. \nSo an extended lockdown was never feasible unless the government was willing to pay several trillion dollars of expenses, not just 2 or 3 times but several times over.", ">\n\nI didn't dispute any of what you said. I pointed out that most people actively contested any safety measure and most people didn't actually lock down. Any extension will almost certainly be the fault of most of those people. \nI'd gladly let them all die if it meant the few people who did take things seriously didn't have to live through a Walking Dead scenario or have to take a huge financial hit because them.", ">\n\nMost people did lock down just fine initially. After a few weeks turned into a month or more, yeah people got testy.\nAdditionally, a gigantic amount of people work in critical industries and simply cant stay home. Just keeping the lights and water on requires tens of millions of workers, plus industries like plants and refineries that simply cannot shut down without massive long-term consequences.\nReddit is full of office people who can WFH, the vast majority of people cant.", ">\n\nI was one of those who couldn't stay home. Right out of the gate most people gave up on almost all of it except when they were making a show of complying when they had to. There was a lot of cheating. I walk through a lot of different areas. The waves of patients and bodies we got at work tracked with that and became predictable.", ">\n\nWhat’s that saying that ends with ”…doomed to repeat it?”", ">\n\nWhy not just require a negative test from everyone?", ">\n\nWho would you expect to pay for that?", ">\n\nGovernments or sponsors from the private sector ideally, I honestly don’t give a fuck. I’ve gotten many free tests from both and I’ve also bought some for like $8.", ">\n\n“Here we go again” from everyone in the comments. \nThe virus never stopped, we did.", ">\n\nVirus will always be there. Permanent restrictions are unsustainable", ">\n\n3 years later...\nIs this permanent?", ">\n\nI doubt there's anything that would make Republicans running in 2024 happier then Democrats advocating for a return to COVID restrictions.", ">\n\nRight? It’d be like the democrats fighting for gun control, or gay and trans rights, or safe and legal abortions. It would be political suicide to stand for something that Republicans don’t like!", ">\n\nMy understanding is that everything you listed is broadly popular or has at least a majority of American's in favor of it. A return to COVID restrictions is not in that category.", ">\n\nGun control isn’t even universally loved amongst the American left, as the hard left needs them for protection from the hard right they clash with, and the middle left does like having their guns taken as much as any middle right wing does, only mid left likes it", ">\n\nGallup has 57% of Americans feeling that in general gun laws should be more strict.", ">\n\nRegular people want kids to stop dying while in school. The problem is \"stricter laws\" is vague and no one can agree on what it means or give a serious proposal that would work, short of confiscation and bans, which are wildly unpopular.", ">\n\nVague political talking points is the best we’re going to get. Much as I’d love a Ross Perot style of breaking down every platform and promise, the general public doesn’t go for it. Buzz words are all we have the attention span for.", ">\n\nChina's COVID-19 surge raises odds of new coronavirus variants\nThings could get very ugly.", ">\n\nYou say this like covid hasn't been spreading rampantly through literally every country on the planet, mostly without any measures to stop the spread. Why does China get a different treatment and maybe countries should require tests from the US or Inida or Europe?", ">\n\nI agree. US was primarily the culprit of why COVID went rampant to begin with. We actively refused to enforce any sort of safety measures, just a mild suggestion of \"maybe wear a mask, if you want to, it's ok if you don't\" and \"we have vaccines if you want one, no pressure tho\". That was really our response to the world's deadliest pandemic.", ">\n\nWe actively made fun of zero covid approaches on reddit and now based on the comments on this thread we are suddenly pro “zero covid” approaches", ">\n\nEveryone finally watched contagion", ">\n\nSo far my 2023 bingo card is reading alooot of skull and crossbones, I think I might actually win at something next year, what does your score card look like?", ">\n\nWhen’s that $1200 going to hit my account?", ">\n\nI’m still living off mine from last time!", ">\n\nI’m still looking for mine", ">\n\nI’m waiting for that $600 bucks from Biden still, but that’s going right into my retirement!", ">\n\nYou dont get he meant to include any money you already received as well /s", ">\n\nI seem to remember campaign ads with $2000 checks.", ">\n\nYep they explicitly mentioned $2,000 checks.", ">\n\nMy comment was sarcasm but in retrospect there are so many neoliberals saying that word for word in all seriousness that I should and will add a sarcasm tag", ">\n\nThat's nice and all, but let's not act like we're not just ignoring our own COVID problems.", ">\n\n\n\"You don't have zero tolerance anymore? We can't tolerate that.\"\n\n- Country with 100% tolerance", ">\n\nWhy not require a negative COVID test from everyone entering the country? It’s like they don’t want COVID to be under control.", ">\n\nI think this is because China has a relatively low vaccination rate because they relied on lock downs. Now that lock downs are being ramped down, they are having a huge surge.", ">\n\nThe vaccination rate in China is considerably higher than the US (92% vs 81%). This is just another example of yellow peril", ">\n\nThank you for pointing this out. What I said above was wrong about the vaccination rate. I don’t know why exactly China is having a surge. 🤷‍♂️", ">\n\nTheir vaccination rate is high but their vaccine, SinoVac is based on old tech. It conveys effectively zero protection from variants when compared to all the other types of vaccines on the market.", ">\n\nYou guys are so full of shit. At 3 doses Sinovac gives the same protection as any western vaccine with boosters to help mitigate mutated variants. Stop spreading misinfo.", ">\n\n\"Does that thumbnail of someone getting tested read too much like 'screaming uselessly into the void'?\"\n\"I'm sure it'll be fine.\"", ">\n\nMaybe, just maybe they shouldnt have stopped testing airplane passengers in the first place... \nWe have cheap, readily available tests that take 10 minutes to complete. There’s really no reason not to test ever passenger before boarding...", ">\n\nEveryone I know who had Omicron tested negative until their symptoms cleared. It was evading the RATs, for some reason.", ">\n\nI tested positive on a rapid test two days after getting congested. Every teacher coworker of mine who bothered to test after getting cold symptoms also did. I think it's why so few parents now test their kids before sending time to school sick. They don't want to know so we all find out when we or our family members then test positive, missing work on their sick kids' behalf so they didn't have to. \nI have also heard the rapid test can give false negatives but anecdotal references don't mean much.", ">\n\nA day late and a dollar short. Same old song and dance.", ">\n\nWow, it’s like history literally repeating itself.", ">\n\nIndeed it is. I hope everyone is prepared for what’s next.", ">\n\nWe should require negative COVID tests for people to fly within the US, too.\nIt makes no difference to me if the person who infects me at LAX is coming in from China, or from Texas.", ">\n\nThere is a high chance anyone that comes from China has Covid right now. Low chance that someone inside America has.", ">\n\nNaw. China’s percent is much higher, sure, but it’s not like US infection rates are low. You can pretty much guarantee an infected American on every sold out domestic flight. The latest variants are super, super contagious, and it only takes one infected person to pose a serious risk to the other people sharing their space, and then all of their families and friends after they land. All flights should still require testing and masking at this point, or all we’ve really accomplished is pacifying the dimwits and xenophobes.\nI know at least 3 people who 100% contracted COVID while flying domestically in the US this last month - because they were isolated for the incubation period beforehand. They were masked the entire time they were in the airport and on the plane.", ">\n\nIf they were masked up and I assume vaccinated and still caught the virus then preventable measures like these aren’t that effective.", ">\n\nIs there a new strain of Covid that isn't in the U.S yet, otherwise what's the point.", ">\n\nUm testing should not ever stop.", ">\n\nAh shit here we go again", ">\n\n\"Who left the fridge open?\"", ">\n\nIt's \"just a cold\" unless it's a non-white person from another country carrying it.\n/s", ">\n\nChina implemented an ineffective vaccine and had 30m+ cases in one day. It’s specifically that gov. refusing to use effective vaccines", ">\n\nAnd the United States had effective vaccines that half the country is not willing to nor willing to wear masks, while complaining to other countries like China about their travel restrictions (from China and Hong Kong). And honestly I’m not oppose to a tighter restriction on China while they are experiencing a surge in new cases just as it did with any other countries that initially loosen covid restrictions, what makes me question this being race or politically motivated is the hypocrisy; people complained about China being oppressive when it was enforcing all the covid restrictions and when they loosen it “China doesn’t care about human lives”.\nSo what exactly do you want them to do?", ">\n\n\nto Require Negative Covid Tests for Travelers From China\n\nLuckily China is well known for its systemic unwillingness to fake or counterfeit things, so everything should be fine.\nhonest.", ">\n\nSeems purely retaliatory with no actual effectiveness.\nEnforcement is over a week away and presumably China has hit its peak already (flights being 40% positive)", ">\n\nThe rich rats are going to buy fake tests and jump ship breaking quarantine just like they did in the first wave. Cutting flights or enforcing quarantines is the only way to prevent this stuff from jumping oceans but god forbid anybody inhibit the jet setters.", ">\n\nHALF of the passengers on a plane from China going to Italy tested positive the other day (tested on arrival). Chances are most if not all of them had negative test results they could show that they took before they left. This won't do anything to stop people coming into the US while positive..we are going to have to go through this all over again and we won't have the same somewhat cooperative response in the US this time if it is a variant that evades immunity... It will get REALLY bad.", ">\n\nSeriously they know red states will just let them in and will never do another shut down again. So start dealt with out break countries this way to slow it down or corner it. But I see very very bad days ahead for China and Russia is starting to report out breaks too.", ">\n\nMust. When?", ">\n\nWe already require this from canada iirc\nEdit: i was wrong, canada requires it from us.", ">\n\nI hope we are talking PCR tests... those store-bought 15-minute ones struggle to get a positive if you have any sort of vaccination, even while symptomatic and miserable.", ">\n\nWell, a little bit of good news. I'll take it.", ">\n\nTravel should have been 100$ restricted a long time ago. Travel should be restricted to any country experiencing a COVID outbreak.", ">\n\nWonderful. Another round of Asian hating.", ">\n\nWho's hating on Asians? We're trying to stop this virus from killing people.", ">\n\nor… ban flights from china??", ">\n\nDoesn’t make sense in singling out China when covid is widespread in every single country", ">\n\nThe extent of covid in china atm is just absurd. Two weeks ago, they had 37 MILLION cases in one day. Think about that. Thats more people than a lot of countries! \nsource", ">\n\nI wonder why China has so much trouble with COVID compared to other countries, despite being so strict.", ">\n\nIt’s because they had the zero covid approaches that people are advocating for in this thread and they suddenly reversed course. Everyone in China is getting it so fast its likely the same variants quickly spreading in a population that suddenly reversed course. Having many people getting it over time and exposed to new generations of the virus (which is what happens over time) is more insidious but people here think thats fine", ">\n\nEveryone saying this is racist, do not pay attention to the world", ">\n\nIt was called racist and xenophobic when Trump did it. The left are hypocritical emotional wrecks.", ">\n\nnah trump was racist or did you forget he called it the “china virus” and subsequent hate crimes increased against adians", ">\n\nLet’s not change the subject. We’re talking about testing travelers from China here. Always trying to deflect.", ">\n\nIs that what he did, though? That and nothing else? This is a Fox News headline, but I bet there's a lot more to it. There usually is.\nFYI, Italy is also requiring testing of travelers from China at this time.\nBecause of the high number of cases in China at this time.", ">\n\nSo many dumb replies here. I am sad about where humankind is at.", ">\n\nRound two people", ">\n\nWe need to ramp up testing again at border.", ">\n\nChina trying to stop Covid…lol! Fail miserably at that, build a huge infected population, then unleash it on the world. Great job China /s", ">\n\nSell then the Moderna vaccine so they can treat themselves, ans end this debacle.", ">\n\nEven if US send Moderna and Phizer vaccine, China will not use it, because they boast about \"superior\" Chinese vaccine and don't want to lose face.\n​\nUntil they change their attitude, I suggest keeping restriction in place for PRC travelers.", ">\n\nOh definitely.", ">\n\nCCP exporting covid again.", ">\n\nPaywall - can anyone help me read the article? It sounds great in theory but why wait so long? That’s how this all started in 2020. Test now!", ">\n\nChina has been in quarantine until the protests. They have a very low of vaccinated people, so now everyone's breathing on each other's necks, squeezing in tight places and now introducing another pandemic. \nI believe a combination of everyone quarantined for too long and non vaccinated people are making this a very deadly spread.", ">\n\nTheir vaccination rate is not too bad, except among the elderly. But their vaccine was shit even before all the variants.\nThey've been trying to use lockdown to prevent spread and with the new variants that just won't work.\nSo yeah, they're pretty fucked.", ">\n\nVaccination rate is good, but the rate of people who are up to date on boosters is where they fall short even beyond just the elderly. It also doesn't help that the vaccine being used is overall less effective than the ones being used elsewhere like you said. Makes those booster shots many are lacking even more critical.", ">\n\nApparently Americans only get worried when it’s Chinese people spreading Covid as opposed to their own residents, citizens and Europeans.", ">\n\nseems xenophobic /s", ">\n\noh I'm sure conservatives will be very concerned about the \"freedoms\" of those travelers from China", ">\n\nHow's this going to work for the 75% of all our manufactured goods coming in from China?", ">\n\nThank God Biden is doing this if it was Trump they call him racist .", ">\n\nTrump admin did this and it was hailed as a great idea, because it was. And is.\nWho tf cares who the man or president is when it comes to health? Why are some people like this?", ">\n\nYou know that wasnt true.", ">\n\nWhy would they make a move that would indisputably send hundreds of thousands of infected into the wider world including those that may wind up being infected with a new variant or two? \nCan we at least conclude that China does not care about this possibility? Is that verboten to say?\nCan an axiomatically correct statement still result in a ban?", ">\n\nSounds kinda racist.", ">\n\nMakes absolute sense considering what's currently going on there. Canada should do the same. I'll even go as far as say suspend visas / entry from that part of the world temporarily, until they can get it under control", ">\n\nMakes sense. China is exploding with covid and who knows if/when the next bad variant develops there.", ">\n\nLmao Reddit enjoying their shut in lives so much I’d rather jump off the tallest bridge near me before going into lockdowns again.", ">\n\nXenophobia", ">\n\nXenophobic Biden", ">\n\nPeople are acting like Covid stopped spreading in the US… The US just decided to ignore it, that is until China gained more cases, and now it’s back to fear mongering Chinese people. I see that xenophobia is still alive and well in the US.", ">\n\nMy family and I caught covid during Thanksgiving after being careful for two years. Fortunately, we're all vaccinated so the symptoms didn't hit us too hard. We just got lax with being careful, but we'll probably be wearing our masks in crowded places just to be safe.", ">\n\nI never stopped wearing masks in the US while going to stores. The reality is we have had waves of Covid here in the US, and we have had different mutations of variants too.", ">\n\nThats racist. Biden should be ashamed of himself for allowing such bigotry and hatred towards our Chinese brethren.", ">\n\nThis applies to anyone traveling from China, not just the Chinese.", ">\n\nI wouldn’t think another country was rascist if the USA had a huge surge and temporarily suspended flights to:from the USA until the numbers came down.", ">\n\nSame biological warfare when westerners were entering into China in 2022?", ">\n\n50 Cent army, out in full force!", ">\n\nWhy are we letting anyone in from China?", ">\n\nCitizens and most permanent residents cannot be refused admission.", ">\n\nOh, here we go again.", ">\n\nKind of ironic seeing how the US has worse cases lmao", ">\n\nUS will keep up the bio attacks until the world complies with their foreign policy. Which is to keep China from becoming a threat to its hegemony", ">\n\nWeird how we can’t make our own citizens mask or test but we can make sure travelers from other places do \nWild how absolutely absurd the timeline we’re living in js", ">\n\nGood. We should not allow anyone from any country the opportunity to enter our country without proof.", ">\n\nIt’s not xenophobia, it’s (D)ifferent this time. Maybe if they let trump try this in the first place", ">\n\nThis just adds fuel to racist anti-Asian sentiment in the US. What about all the people on the plane with Chinese travelers who aren't Chinese? If the situation warrants testing of anyone, it warrants testing of everyone." ]
> Welcome to the virtue signaling zone.
[ "People from China will travel through Europe and come in to America from the east coast like they did when the pandemic started. This will do nothing if all travelers aboard aren’t made to test.", ">\n\nLet's hope EU and other countries do the same.", ">\n\nI don't know if they will. Australia (for example) had some of the toughest Covid policies and they've essentially just thrown them all out the window.\nSo I don't know how willing countries are to go back to being overly concerned about Covid.", ">\n\nThey should be concerned w chinese, it's spreading like wildfire in china. If we aren't careful, they will come out w covid 20.", ">\n\nIt’s spreading everywhere including the USA. This policy has nothing to do with science or medicine. It’s just politics.", ">\n\nNo. It’s circulating like mad in a population of 1 billion people who haven’t been exposed before. This is how new variants come about. Every country should require negative Covid test for china at least until it cycles through the population", ">\n\n\nNo. It’s circulating like mad in a population of 1 billion people who haven’t been exposed before.\n\nIt's also spreading like mad in all the countries of the world including the USA.\n\nThis is how new variants come about. \n\nAnd they have been for years now.\n\nEvery country should require negative Covid test for china at least until it cycles through the population\n\nOnly for political reasons. There is no scientific or rational demand for this. \nI get it, you hate china, most americans hate china so just be honest and say what you really mean.", ">\n\nStrains are spreading in the west yes, but there are new strains in China that are spreading and we don't know if our vaccines will work with those strains. We know the Chinese vaccines have a low efficacy rate and we know they are not mRNA vaccines which allow for easier adaptation to new strains. Making travelers with a Chinese passport take Covid tests at any and all airports is not racist or even unfair - a reminder that China has been relatively hard to travel to for the last 2 years because they were locked down to foreign travel as well. This is simply good policy from a public health measure, and you not wanting to see that for what it is and instead attribute it to a nascent American hatred for China is laughable. the World Health Organization estimated close to 800 million new cases in China in the next few months, with another estimate 4 million deaths and countless new strains coming out during that period. This is about protection populations, not punishing China.", ">\n\n\nStrains are spreading in the west yes, but there are new strains in China that are spreading and we don't know if our vaccines will work with those strains.\n\nYou don't know if vaccines work against any new variant even if that variant is from a country populated with white people.\n\nWe know the Chinese vaccines have a low efficacy rate and we know they are not mRNA vaccines which allow for easier adaptation to new strains. \n\nThe vaccine doesn't adapt once inside of your body you know that right?\n\nMaking travelers with a Chinese passport take Covid tests at any and all airports is not racist or even unfair \n\nit's definitely unfair and probably racist as well.\n\nhis is simply good policy from a public health measure, a\n\nA good policy would be to require vaccinations from everybody. Think about it, you are requiring a vaccine that you said doesn't even work. How much sense does that make?\n\nattribute it to a nascent American hatred for China is laughable.\n\nNascent?\n\nThis is about protection populations, not punishing China.\n\nIt's definitely about punishing china, it's a part of the current cold war with China conducted by the USA.", ">\n\n\nYou don't know if vaccines work against any new variant even if that variant is from a country populated with white people.\n\nAll the more reason to not invite more new strains into the country. White population or otherwise has nothing to do with it, expected rise in cases in China does.\n\nThe vaccine doesn't adapt once inside of your body you know that right?\n\nYou missed the point. The point i was making was that the Chinese medical system has not even approached Covid with an mRNA vaccine, and steadfastly refused to license western vaccines. If the vaccine most readily available in China has a 50% efficacy then the population is at more risk of contracting the virus and having negative results. The infection rates are increased with each new case of BA.7 (China is currently seeing each covid patient infecting on average 18 other people represented as 1:18, whereas the in US the rate is 1:3.9). Each of these factors increases the risk of developing new strains that are vaccine resistant. \n\nit's definitely unfair and probably racist as well\n\nIs it your position that nations cannot take any prescriptive action to prevent the spread of infected persons from other countries? Again i would remind you that China has basically been locked down for the last 2 years, with severe limitations to personal freedoms themselves. This is not based on race, but rather a government's inability to contain a contagious outbreak in their own country and not wanting it to spread. \n\nA good policy would be to require vaccinations from everybody. Think about it, you are requiring a vaccine that you said doesn't even work. How much sense does that make?\n\nThat might be your definition on good policy, but it isn't mine and that isn't how the west does it. \"I\" am not requiring a vaccine that \"I\" said doesn't work - that was your suggestion not mine. Also, i said the efficacy of the Chinese vaccine is 50% - based on available information - i never said it didn't work, and i never said that it should be mandatory or required.\n\nNascent?\n\nPoor and wrong word choice on my part it seems. What i meant was ascribing the US decision to require testing of Chinese travelers to racism because you believe that the US is racist is laughable. Taking a test to prove that you are covid negative is far less onerous on a traveler than most visa requirements.\n\nIt's definitely about punishing china, it's a part of the current cold war with China conducted by the USA.\n\nCite your sources. I could point to many Chinese government policies that i could say are part of the current cold war with the US without backing it up and it would be just as credible as what you said. Opinion is not a source, and not proof. You assume that the US government is racist, that this policy is racist and yet we have had travel bans imposed on other countries, as well as testing required for travelers from other countries imposed before, and other policies and so has China. For goodness sake China has been closed to foreigners for almost 3 years, and is still closed to foreign travel until January 2023. Is that a racist policy as well?", ">\n\nHere we go again.\nThis time I think I'll learn French cooking.", ">\n\n5000 People a day will have to die before Anybody says the word Lock down in the States ever again.", ">\n\nDon’t understand why people can’t handle staying at home for two weeks when it could potentially eradicate a deadly virus. Are we that weak?", ">\n\nWe did that in large part in March 2020. And did China not spend years locking down their citizens? \nPeoples savings are gone. They need to work. \nWearing a mask would do a lot to help the issue but people aren’t willing to do that anymore.", ">\n\nWe didn't do that though. We didn't all lock down when we were supposed to. Where I work I had to go in from the very start all the way through. Most people, the majority of people, didn't stay home even if they didn't have work. Most people didn't fuck with masks or keeping a distance, and even people who weren't antivaccers didn't take the vaccine seriously for the longest time. \nWe had no fucking lock down, unless you were a well-off celebrity or comedian who wanted to talk about being locked down for content. \nIf people legit locked down, they would have taken a small hit financially, but too many people didn't do shit and prolonged everything.", ">\n\nThe things is that it doesn't take long to drain peoples saving - becuase the overwhelming majority of people have practically none. \nSo an extended lockdown was never feasible unless the government was willing to pay several trillion dollars of expenses, not just 2 or 3 times but several times over.", ">\n\nI didn't dispute any of what you said. I pointed out that most people actively contested any safety measure and most people didn't actually lock down. Any extension will almost certainly be the fault of most of those people. \nI'd gladly let them all die if it meant the few people who did take things seriously didn't have to live through a Walking Dead scenario or have to take a huge financial hit because them.", ">\n\nMost people did lock down just fine initially. After a few weeks turned into a month or more, yeah people got testy.\nAdditionally, a gigantic amount of people work in critical industries and simply cant stay home. Just keeping the lights and water on requires tens of millions of workers, plus industries like plants and refineries that simply cannot shut down without massive long-term consequences.\nReddit is full of office people who can WFH, the vast majority of people cant.", ">\n\nI was one of those who couldn't stay home. Right out of the gate most people gave up on almost all of it except when they were making a show of complying when they had to. There was a lot of cheating. I walk through a lot of different areas. The waves of patients and bodies we got at work tracked with that and became predictable.", ">\n\nWhat’s that saying that ends with ”…doomed to repeat it?”", ">\n\nWhy not just require a negative test from everyone?", ">\n\nWho would you expect to pay for that?", ">\n\nGovernments or sponsors from the private sector ideally, I honestly don’t give a fuck. I’ve gotten many free tests from both and I’ve also bought some for like $8.", ">\n\n“Here we go again” from everyone in the comments. \nThe virus never stopped, we did.", ">\n\nVirus will always be there. Permanent restrictions are unsustainable", ">\n\n3 years later...\nIs this permanent?", ">\n\nI doubt there's anything that would make Republicans running in 2024 happier then Democrats advocating for a return to COVID restrictions.", ">\n\nRight? It’d be like the democrats fighting for gun control, or gay and trans rights, or safe and legal abortions. It would be political suicide to stand for something that Republicans don’t like!", ">\n\nMy understanding is that everything you listed is broadly popular or has at least a majority of American's in favor of it. A return to COVID restrictions is not in that category.", ">\n\nGun control isn’t even universally loved amongst the American left, as the hard left needs them for protection from the hard right they clash with, and the middle left does like having their guns taken as much as any middle right wing does, only mid left likes it", ">\n\nGallup has 57% of Americans feeling that in general gun laws should be more strict.", ">\n\nRegular people want kids to stop dying while in school. The problem is \"stricter laws\" is vague and no one can agree on what it means or give a serious proposal that would work, short of confiscation and bans, which are wildly unpopular.", ">\n\nVague political talking points is the best we’re going to get. Much as I’d love a Ross Perot style of breaking down every platform and promise, the general public doesn’t go for it. Buzz words are all we have the attention span for.", ">\n\nChina's COVID-19 surge raises odds of new coronavirus variants\nThings could get very ugly.", ">\n\nYou say this like covid hasn't been spreading rampantly through literally every country on the planet, mostly without any measures to stop the spread. Why does China get a different treatment and maybe countries should require tests from the US or Inida or Europe?", ">\n\nI agree. US was primarily the culprit of why COVID went rampant to begin with. We actively refused to enforce any sort of safety measures, just a mild suggestion of \"maybe wear a mask, if you want to, it's ok if you don't\" and \"we have vaccines if you want one, no pressure tho\". That was really our response to the world's deadliest pandemic.", ">\n\nWe actively made fun of zero covid approaches on reddit and now based on the comments on this thread we are suddenly pro “zero covid” approaches", ">\n\nEveryone finally watched contagion", ">\n\nSo far my 2023 bingo card is reading alooot of skull and crossbones, I think I might actually win at something next year, what does your score card look like?", ">\n\nWhen’s that $1200 going to hit my account?", ">\n\nI’m still living off mine from last time!", ">\n\nI’m still looking for mine", ">\n\nI’m waiting for that $600 bucks from Biden still, but that’s going right into my retirement!", ">\n\nYou dont get he meant to include any money you already received as well /s", ">\n\nI seem to remember campaign ads with $2000 checks.", ">\n\nYep they explicitly mentioned $2,000 checks.", ">\n\nMy comment was sarcasm but in retrospect there are so many neoliberals saying that word for word in all seriousness that I should and will add a sarcasm tag", ">\n\nThat's nice and all, but let's not act like we're not just ignoring our own COVID problems.", ">\n\n\n\"You don't have zero tolerance anymore? We can't tolerate that.\"\n\n- Country with 100% tolerance", ">\n\nWhy not require a negative COVID test from everyone entering the country? It’s like they don’t want COVID to be under control.", ">\n\nI think this is because China has a relatively low vaccination rate because they relied on lock downs. Now that lock downs are being ramped down, they are having a huge surge.", ">\n\nThe vaccination rate in China is considerably higher than the US (92% vs 81%). This is just another example of yellow peril", ">\n\nThank you for pointing this out. What I said above was wrong about the vaccination rate. I don’t know why exactly China is having a surge. 🤷‍♂️", ">\n\nTheir vaccination rate is high but their vaccine, SinoVac is based on old tech. It conveys effectively zero protection from variants when compared to all the other types of vaccines on the market.", ">\n\nYou guys are so full of shit. At 3 doses Sinovac gives the same protection as any western vaccine with boosters to help mitigate mutated variants. Stop spreading misinfo.", ">\n\n\"Does that thumbnail of someone getting tested read too much like 'screaming uselessly into the void'?\"\n\"I'm sure it'll be fine.\"", ">\n\nMaybe, just maybe they shouldnt have stopped testing airplane passengers in the first place... \nWe have cheap, readily available tests that take 10 minutes to complete. There’s really no reason not to test ever passenger before boarding...", ">\n\nEveryone I know who had Omicron tested negative until their symptoms cleared. It was evading the RATs, for some reason.", ">\n\nI tested positive on a rapid test two days after getting congested. Every teacher coworker of mine who bothered to test after getting cold symptoms also did. I think it's why so few parents now test their kids before sending time to school sick. They don't want to know so we all find out when we or our family members then test positive, missing work on their sick kids' behalf so they didn't have to. \nI have also heard the rapid test can give false negatives but anecdotal references don't mean much.", ">\n\nA day late and a dollar short. Same old song and dance.", ">\n\nWow, it’s like history literally repeating itself.", ">\n\nIndeed it is. I hope everyone is prepared for what’s next.", ">\n\nWe should require negative COVID tests for people to fly within the US, too.\nIt makes no difference to me if the person who infects me at LAX is coming in from China, or from Texas.", ">\n\nThere is a high chance anyone that comes from China has Covid right now. Low chance that someone inside America has.", ">\n\nNaw. China’s percent is much higher, sure, but it’s not like US infection rates are low. You can pretty much guarantee an infected American on every sold out domestic flight. The latest variants are super, super contagious, and it only takes one infected person to pose a serious risk to the other people sharing their space, and then all of their families and friends after they land. All flights should still require testing and masking at this point, or all we’ve really accomplished is pacifying the dimwits and xenophobes.\nI know at least 3 people who 100% contracted COVID while flying domestically in the US this last month - because they were isolated for the incubation period beforehand. They were masked the entire time they were in the airport and on the plane.", ">\n\nIf they were masked up and I assume vaccinated and still caught the virus then preventable measures like these aren’t that effective.", ">\n\nIs there a new strain of Covid that isn't in the U.S yet, otherwise what's the point.", ">\n\nUm testing should not ever stop.", ">\n\nAh shit here we go again", ">\n\n\"Who left the fridge open?\"", ">\n\nIt's \"just a cold\" unless it's a non-white person from another country carrying it.\n/s", ">\n\nChina implemented an ineffective vaccine and had 30m+ cases in one day. It’s specifically that gov. refusing to use effective vaccines", ">\n\nAnd the United States had effective vaccines that half the country is not willing to nor willing to wear masks, while complaining to other countries like China about their travel restrictions (from China and Hong Kong). And honestly I’m not oppose to a tighter restriction on China while they are experiencing a surge in new cases just as it did with any other countries that initially loosen covid restrictions, what makes me question this being race or politically motivated is the hypocrisy; people complained about China being oppressive when it was enforcing all the covid restrictions and when they loosen it “China doesn’t care about human lives”.\nSo what exactly do you want them to do?", ">\n\n\nto Require Negative Covid Tests for Travelers From China\n\nLuckily China is well known for its systemic unwillingness to fake or counterfeit things, so everything should be fine.\nhonest.", ">\n\nSeems purely retaliatory with no actual effectiveness.\nEnforcement is over a week away and presumably China has hit its peak already (flights being 40% positive)", ">\n\nThe rich rats are going to buy fake tests and jump ship breaking quarantine just like they did in the first wave. Cutting flights or enforcing quarantines is the only way to prevent this stuff from jumping oceans but god forbid anybody inhibit the jet setters.", ">\n\nHALF of the passengers on a plane from China going to Italy tested positive the other day (tested on arrival). Chances are most if not all of them had negative test results they could show that they took before they left. This won't do anything to stop people coming into the US while positive..we are going to have to go through this all over again and we won't have the same somewhat cooperative response in the US this time if it is a variant that evades immunity... It will get REALLY bad.", ">\n\nSeriously they know red states will just let them in and will never do another shut down again. So start dealt with out break countries this way to slow it down or corner it. But I see very very bad days ahead for China and Russia is starting to report out breaks too.", ">\n\nMust. When?", ">\n\nWe already require this from canada iirc\nEdit: i was wrong, canada requires it from us.", ">\n\nI hope we are talking PCR tests... those store-bought 15-minute ones struggle to get a positive if you have any sort of vaccination, even while symptomatic and miserable.", ">\n\nWell, a little bit of good news. I'll take it.", ">\n\nTravel should have been 100$ restricted a long time ago. Travel should be restricted to any country experiencing a COVID outbreak.", ">\n\nWonderful. Another round of Asian hating.", ">\n\nWho's hating on Asians? We're trying to stop this virus from killing people.", ">\n\nor… ban flights from china??", ">\n\nDoesn’t make sense in singling out China when covid is widespread in every single country", ">\n\nThe extent of covid in china atm is just absurd. Two weeks ago, they had 37 MILLION cases in one day. Think about that. Thats more people than a lot of countries! \nsource", ">\n\nI wonder why China has so much trouble with COVID compared to other countries, despite being so strict.", ">\n\nIt’s because they had the zero covid approaches that people are advocating for in this thread and they suddenly reversed course. Everyone in China is getting it so fast its likely the same variants quickly spreading in a population that suddenly reversed course. Having many people getting it over time and exposed to new generations of the virus (which is what happens over time) is more insidious but people here think thats fine", ">\n\nEveryone saying this is racist, do not pay attention to the world", ">\n\nIt was called racist and xenophobic when Trump did it. The left are hypocritical emotional wrecks.", ">\n\nnah trump was racist or did you forget he called it the “china virus” and subsequent hate crimes increased against adians", ">\n\nLet’s not change the subject. We’re talking about testing travelers from China here. Always trying to deflect.", ">\n\nIs that what he did, though? That and nothing else? This is a Fox News headline, but I bet there's a lot more to it. There usually is.\nFYI, Italy is also requiring testing of travelers from China at this time.\nBecause of the high number of cases in China at this time.", ">\n\nSo many dumb replies here. I am sad about where humankind is at.", ">\n\nRound two people", ">\n\nWe need to ramp up testing again at border.", ">\n\nChina trying to stop Covid…lol! Fail miserably at that, build a huge infected population, then unleash it on the world. Great job China /s", ">\n\nSell then the Moderna vaccine so they can treat themselves, ans end this debacle.", ">\n\nEven if US send Moderna and Phizer vaccine, China will not use it, because they boast about \"superior\" Chinese vaccine and don't want to lose face.\n​\nUntil they change their attitude, I suggest keeping restriction in place for PRC travelers.", ">\n\nOh definitely.", ">\n\nCCP exporting covid again.", ">\n\nPaywall - can anyone help me read the article? It sounds great in theory but why wait so long? That’s how this all started in 2020. Test now!", ">\n\nChina has been in quarantine until the protests. They have a very low of vaccinated people, so now everyone's breathing on each other's necks, squeezing in tight places and now introducing another pandemic. \nI believe a combination of everyone quarantined for too long and non vaccinated people are making this a very deadly spread.", ">\n\nTheir vaccination rate is not too bad, except among the elderly. But their vaccine was shit even before all the variants.\nThey've been trying to use lockdown to prevent spread and with the new variants that just won't work.\nSo yeah, they're pretty fucked.", ">\n\nVaccination rate is good, but the rate of people who are up to date on boosters is where they fall short even beyond just the elderly. It also doesn't help that the vaccine being used is overall less effective than the ones being used elsewhere like you said. Makes those booster shots many are lacking even more critical.", ">\n\nApparently Americans only get worried when it’s Chinese people spreading Covid as opposed to their own residents, citizens and Europeans.", ">\n\nseems xenophobic /s", ">\n\noh I'm sure conservatives will be very concerned about the \"freedoms\" of those travelers from China", ">\n\nHow's this going to work for the 75% of all our manufactured goods coming in from China?", ">\n\nThank God Biden is doing this if it was Trump they call him racist .", ">\n\nTrump admin did this and it was hailed as a great idea, because it was. And is.\nWho tf cares who the man or president is when it comes to health? Why are some people like this?", ">\n\nYou know that wasnt true.", ">\n\nWhy would they make a move that would indisputably send hundreds of thousands of infected into the wider world including those that may wind up being infected with a new variant or two? \nCan we at least conclude that China does not care about this possibility? Is that verboten to say?\nCan an axiomatically correct statement still result in a ban?", ">\n\nSounds kinda racist.", ">\n\nMakes absolute sense considering what's currently going on there. Canada should do the same. I'll even go as far as say suspend visas / entry from that part of the world temporarily, until they can get it under control", ">\n\nMakes sense. China is exploding with covid and who knows if/when the next bad variant develops there.", ">\n\nLmao Reddit enjoying their shut in lives so much I’d rather jump off the tallest bridge near me before going into lockdowns again.", ">\n\nXenophobia", ">\n\nXenophobic Biden", ">\n\nPeople are acting like Covid stopped spreading in the US… The US just decided to ignore it, that is until China gained more cases, and now it’s back to fear mongering Chinese people. I see that xenophobia is still alive and well in the US.", ">\n\nMy family and I caught covid during Thanksgiving after being careful for two years. Fortunately, we're all vaccinated so the symptoms didn't hit us too hard. We just got lax with being careful, but we'll probably be wearing our masks in crowded places just to be safe.", ">\n\nI never stopped wearing masks in the US while going to stores. The reality is we have had waves of Covid here in the US, and we have had different mutations of variants too.", ">\n\nThats racist. Biden should be ashamed of himself for allowing such bigotry and hatred towards our Chinese brethren.", ">\n\nThis applies to anyone traveling from China, not just the Chinese.", ">\n\nI wouldn’t think another country was rascist if the USA had a huge surge and temporarily suspended flights to:from the USA until the numbers came down.", ">\n\nSame biological warfare when westerners were entering into China in 2022?", ">\n\n50 Cent army, out in full force!", ">\n\nWhy are we letting anyone in from China?", ">\n\nCitizens and most permanent residents cannot be refused admission.", ">\n\nOh, here we go again.", ">\n\nKind of ironic seeing how the US has worse cases lmao", ">\n\nUS will keep up the bio attacks until the world complies with their foreign policy. Which is to keep China from becoming a threat to its hegemony", ">\n\nWeird how we can’t make our own citizens mask or test but we can make sure travelers from other places do \nWild how absolutely absurd the timeline we’re living in js", ">\n\nGood. We should not allow anyone from any country the opportunity to enter our country without proof.", ">\n\nIt’s not xenophobia, it’s (D)ifferent this time. Maybe if they let trump try this in the first place", ">\n\nThis just adds fuel to racist anti-Asian sentiment in the US. What about all the people on the plane with Chinese travelers who aren't Chinese? If the situation warrants testing of anyone, it warrants testing of everyone.", ">\n\nThis is just politics. Do we really want to pretend we don’t have an overwhelming amount of COVID cases right now in America? Everyone knows most people don’t test unless they’re very sick (which is rare now) and most who even do test use at home tests and don’t report the results. Can we really just not admit to ourselves as a nation that for the overwhelming majority of people COVID no longer poses a serious threat? Hospitalization, death and long COVID are statistically insignificant for healthy vaccinated individuals at this point I don’t see why anyone can see this as anymore than political posturing." ]
> Well ??? Why wouldn't we check considering their outbreak is significant. Seriously was this a question ?
[ "People from China will travel through Europe and come in to America from the east coast like they did when the pandemic started. This will do nothing if all travelers aboard aren’t made to test.", ">\n\nLet's hope EU and other countries do the same.", ">\n\nI don't know if they will. Australia (for example) had some of the toughest Covid policies and they've essentially just thrown them all out the window.\nSo I don't know how willing countries are to go back to being overly concerned about Covid.", ">\n\nThey should be concerned w chinese, it's spreading like wildfire in china. If we aren't careful, they will come out w covid 20.", ">\n\nIt’s spreading everywhere including the USA. This policy has nothing to do with science or medicine. It’s just politics.", ">\n\nNo. It’s circulating like mad in a population of 1 billion people who haven’t been exposed before. This is how new variants come about. Every country should require negative Covid test for china at least until it cycles through the population", ">\n\n\nNo. It’s circulating like mad in a population of 1 billion people who haven’t been exposed before.\n\nIt's also spreading like mad in all the countries of the world including the USA.\n\nThis is how new variants come about. \n\nAnd they have been for years now.\n\nEvery country should require negative Covid test for china at least until it cycles through the population\n\nOnly for political reasons. There is no scientific or rational demand for this. \nI get it, you hate china, most americans hate china so just be honest and say what you really mean.", ">\n\nStrains are spreading in the west yes, but there are new strains in China that are spreading and we don't know if our vaccines will work with those strains. We know the Chinese vaccines have a low efficacy rate and we know they are not mRNA vaccines which allow for easier adaptation to new strains. Making travelers with a Chinese passport take Covid tests at any and all airports is not racist or even unfair - a reminder that China has been relatively hard to travel to for the last 2 years because they were locked down to foreign travel as well. This is simply good policy from a public health measure, and you not wanting to see that for what it is and instead attribute it to a nascent American hatred for China is laughable. the World Health Organization estimated close to 800 million new cases in China in the next few months, with another estimate 4 million deaths and countless new strains coming out during that period. This is about protection populations, not punishing China.", ">\n\n\nStrains are spreading in the west yes, but there are new strains in China that are spreading and we don't know if our vaccines will work with those strains.\n\nYou don't know if vaccines work against any new variant even if that variant is from a country populated with white people.\n\nWe know the Chinese vaccines have a low efficacy rate and we know they are not mRNA vaccines which allow for easier adaptation to new strains. \n\nThe vaccine doesn't adapt once inside of your body you know that right?\n\nMaking travelers with a Chinese passport take Covid tests at any and all airports is not racist or even unfair \n\nit's definitely unfair and probably racist as well.\n\nhis is simply good policy from a public health measure, a\n\nA good policy would be to require vaccinations from everybody. Think about it, you are requiring a vaccine that you said doesn't even work. How much sense does that make?\n\nattribute it to a nascent American hatred for China is laughable.\n\nNascent?\n\nThis is about protection populations, not punishing China.\n\nIt's definitely about punishing china, it's a part of the current cold war with China conducted by the USA.", ">\n\n\nYou don't know if vaccines work against any new variant even if that variant is from a country populated with white people.\n\nAll the more reason to not invite more new strains into the country. White population or otherwise has nothing to do with it, expected rise in cases in China does.\n\nThe vaccine doesn't adapt once inside of your body you know that right?\n\nYou missed the point. The point i was making was that the Chinese medical system has not even approached Covid with an mRNA vaccine, and steadfastly refused to license western vaccines. If the vaccine most readily available in China has a 50% efficacy then the population is at more risk of contracting the virus and having negative results. The infection rates are increased with each new case of BA.7 (China is currently seeing each covid patient infecting on average 18 other people represented as 1:18, whereas the in US the rate is 1:3.9). Each of these factors increases the risk of developing new strains that are vaccine resistant. \n\nit's definitely unfair and probably racist as well\n\nIs it your position that nations cannot take any prescriptive action to prevent the spread of infected persons from other countries? Again i would remind you that China has basically been locked down for the last 2 years, with severe limitations to personal freedoms themselves. This is not based on race, but rather a government's inability to contain a contagious outbreak in their own country and not wanting it to spread. \n\nA good policy would be to require vaccinations from everybody. Think about it, you are requiring a vaccine that you said doesn't even work. How much sense does that make?\n\nThat might be your definition on good policy, but it isn't mine and that isn't how the west does it. \"I\" am not requiring a vaccine that \"I\" said doesn't work - that was your suggestion not mine. Also, i said the efficacy of the Chinese vaccine is 50% - based on available information - i never said it didn't work, and i never said that it should be mandatory or required.\n\nNascent?\n\nPoor and wrong word choice on my part it seems. What i meant was ascribing the US decision to require testing of Chinese travelers to racism because you believe that the US is racist is laughable. Taking a test to prove that you are covid negative is far less onerous on a traveler than most visa requirements.\n\nIt's definitely about punishing china, it's a part of the current cold war with China conducted by the USA.\n\nCite your sources. I could point to many Chinese government policies that i could say are part of the current cold war with the US without backing it up and it would be just as credible as what you said. Opinion is not a source, and not proof. You assume that the US government is racist, that this policy is racist and yet we have had travel bans imposed on other countries, as well as testing required for travelers from other countries imposed before, and other policies and so has China. For goodness sake China has been closed to foreigners for almost 3 years, and is still closed to foreign travel until January 2023. Is that a racist policy as well?", ">\n\nHere we go again.\nThis time I think I'll learn French cooking.", ">\n\n5000 People a day will have to die before Anybody says the word Lock down in the States ever again.", ">\n\nDon’t understand why people can’t handle staying at home for two weeks when it could potentially eradicate a deadly virus. Are we that weak?", ">\n\nWe did that in large part in March 2020. And did China not spend years locking down their citizens? \nPeoples savings are gone. They need to work. \nWearing a mask would do a lot to help the issue but people aren’t willing to do that anymore.", ">\n\nWe didn't do that though. We didn't all lock down when we were supposed to. Where I work I had to go in from the very start all the way through. Most people, the majority of people, didn't stay home even if they didn't have work. Most people didn't fuck with masks or keeping a distance, and even people who weren't antivaccers didn't take the vaccine seriously for the longest time. \nWe had no fucking lock down, unless you were a well-off celebrity or comedian who wanted to talk about being locked down for content. \nIf people legit locked down, they would have taken a small hit financially, but too many people didn't do shit and prolonged everything.", ">\n\nThe things is that it doesn't take long to drain peoples saving - becuase the overwhelming majority of people have practically none. \nSo an extended lockdown was never feasible unless the government was willing to pay several trillion dollars of expenses, not just 2 or 3 times but several times over.", ">\n\nI didn't dispute any of what you said. I pointed out that most people actively contested any safety measure and most people didn't actually lock down. Any extension will almost certainly be the fault of most of those people. \nI'd gladly let them all die if it meant the few people who did take things seriously didn't have to live through a Walking Dead scenario or have to take a huge financial hit because them.", ">\n\nMost people did lock down just fine initially. After a few weeks turned into a month or more, yeah people got testy.\nAdditionally, a gigantic amount of people work in critical industries and simply cant stay home. Just keeping the lights and water on requires tens of millions of workers, plus industries like plants and refineries that simply cannot shut down without massive long-term consequences.\nReddit is full of office people who can WFH, the vast majority of people cant.", ">\n\nI was one of those who couldn't stay home. Right out of the gate most people gave up on almost all of it except when they were making a show of complying when they had to. There was a lot of cheating. I walk through a lot of different areas. The waves of patients and bodies we got at work tracked with that and became predictable.", ">\n\nWhat’s that saying that ends with ”…doomed to repeat it?”", ">\n\nWhy not just require a negative test from everyone?", ">\n\nWho would you expect to pay for that?", ">\n\nGovernments or sponsors from the private sector ideally, I honestly don’t give a fuck. I’ve gotten many free tests from both and I’ve also bought some for like $8.", ">\n\n“Here we go again” from everyone in the comments. \nThe virus never stopped, we did.", ">\n\nVirus will always be there. Permanent restrictions are unsustainable", ">\n\n3 years later...\nIs this permanent?", ">\n\nI doubt there's anything that would make Republicans running in 2024 happier then Democrats advocating for a return to COVID restrictions.", ">\n\nRight? It’d be like the democrats fighting for gun control, or gay and trans rights, or safe and legal abortions. It would be political suicide to stand for something that Republicans don’t like!", ">\n\nMy understanding is that everything you listed is broadly popular or has at least a majority of American's in favor of it. A return to COVID restrictions is not in that category.", ">\n\nGun control isn’t even universally loved amongst the American left, as the hard left needs them for protection from the hard right they clash with, and the middle left does like having their guns taken as much as any middle right wing does, only mid left likes it", ">\n\nGallup has 57% of Americans feeling that in general gun laws should be more strict.", ">\n\nRegular people want kids to stop dying while in school. The problem is \"stricter laws\" is vague and no one can agree on what it means or give a serious proposal that would work, short of confiscation and bans, which are wildly unpopular.", ">\n\nVague political talking points is the best we’re going to get. Much as I’d love a Ross Perot style of breaking down every platform and promise, the general public doesn’t go for it. Buzz words are all we have the attention span for.", ">\n\nChina's COVID-19 surge raises odds of new coronavirus variants\nThings could get very ugly.", ">\n\nYou say this like covid hasn't been spreading rampantly through literally every country on the planet, mostly without any measures to stop the spread. Why does China get a different treatment and maybe countries should require tests from the US or Inida or Europe?", ">\n\nI agree. US was primarily the culprit of why COVID went rampant to begin with. We actively refused to enforce any sort of safety measures, just a mild suggestion of \"maybe wear a mask, if you want to, it's ok if you don't\" and \"we have vaccines if you want one, no pressure tho\". That was really our response to the world's deadliest pandemic.", ">\n\nWe actively made fun of zero covid approaches on reddit and now based on the comments on this thread we are suddenly pro “zero covid” approaches", ">\n\nEveryone finally watched contagion", ">\n\nSo far my 2023 bingo card is reading alooot of skull and crossbones, I think I might actually win at something next year, what does your score card look like?", ">\n\nWhen’s that $1200 going to hit my account?", ">\n\nI’m still living off mine from last time!", ">\n\nI’m still looking for mine", ">\n\nI’m waiting for that $600 bucks from Biden still, but that’s going right into my retirement!", ">\n\nYou dont get he meant to include any money you already received as well /s", ">\n\nI seem to remember campaign ads with $2000 checks.", ">\n\nYep they explicitly mentioned $2,000 checks.", ">\n\nMy comment was sarcasm but in retrospect there are so many neoliberals saying that word for word in all seriousness that I should and will add a sarcasm tag", ">\n\nThat's nice and all, but let's not act like we're not just ignoring our own COVID problems.", ">\n\n\n\"You don't have zero tolerance anymore? We can't tolerate that.\"\n\n- Country with 100% tolerance", ">\n\nWhy not require a negative COVID test from everyone entering the country? It’s like they don’t want COVID to be under control.", ">\n\nI think this is because China has a relatively low vaccination rate because they relied on lock downs. Now that lock downs are being ramped down, they are having a huge surge.", ">\n\nThe vaccination rate in China is considerably higher than the US (92% vs 81%). This is just another example of yellow peril", ">\n\nThank you for pointing this out. What I said above was wrong about the vaccination rate. I don’t know why exactly China is having a surge. 🤷‍♂️", ">\n\nTheir vaccination rate is high but their vaccine, SinoVac is based on old tech. It conveys effectively zero protection from variants when compared to all the other types of vaccines on the market.", ">\n\nYou guys are so full of shit. At 3 doses Sinovac gives the same protection as any western vaccine with boosters to help mitigate mutated variants. Stop spreading misinfo.", ">\n\n\"Does that thumbnail of someone getting tested read too much like 'screaming uselessly into the void'?\"\n\"I'm sure it'll be fine.\"", ">\n\nMaybe, just maybe they shouldnt have stopped testing airplane passengers in the first place... \nWe have cheap, readily available tests that take 10 minutes to complete. There’s really no reason not to test ever passenger before boarding...", ">\n\nEveryone I know who had Omicron tested negative until their symptoms cleared. It was evading the RATs, for some reason.", ">\n\nI tested positive on a rapid test two days after getting congested. Every teacher coworker of mine who bothered to test after getting cold symptoms also did. I think it's why so few parents now test their kids before sending time to school sick. They don't want to know so we all find out when we or our family members then test positive, missing work on their sick kids' behalf so they didn't have to. \nI have also heard the rapid test can give false negatives but anecdotal references don't mean much.", ">\n\nA day late and a dollar short. Same old song and dance.", ">\n\nWow, it’s like history literally repeating itself.", ">\n\nIndeed it is. I hope everyone is prepared for what’s next.", ">\n\nWe should require negative COVID tests for people to fly within the US, too.\nIt makes no difference to me if the person who infects me at LAX is coming in from China, or from Texas.", ">\n\nThere is a high chance anyone that comes from China has Covid right now. Low chance that someone inside America has.", ">\n\nNaw. China’s percent is much higher, sure, but it’s not like US infection rates are low. You can pretty much guarantee an infected American on every sold out domestic flight. The latest variants are super, super contagious, and it only takes one infected person to pose a serious risk to the other people sharing their space, and then all of their families and friends after they land. All flights should still require testing and masking at this point, or all we’ve really accomplished is pacifying the dimwits and xenophobes.\nI know at least 3 people who 100% contracted COVID while flying domestically in the US this last month - because they were isolated for the incubation period beforehand. They were masked the entire time they were in the airport and on the plane.", ">\n\nIf they were masked up and I assume vaccinated and still caught the virus then preventable measures like these aren’t that effective.", ">\n\nIs there a new strain of Covid that isn't in the U.S yet, otherwise what's the point.", ">\n\nUm testing should not ever stop.", ">\n\nAh shit here we go again", ">\n\n\"Who left the fridge open?\"", ">\n\nIt's \"just a cold\" unless it's a non-white person from another country carrying it.\n/s", ">\n\nChina implemented an ineffective vaccine and had 30m+ cases in one day. It’s specifically that gov. refusing to use effective vaccines", ">\n\nAnd the United States had effective vaccines that half the country is not willing to nor willing to wear masks, while complaining to other countries like China about their travel restrictions (from China and Hong Kong). And honestly I’m not oppose to a tighter restriction on China while they are experiencing a surge in new cases just as it did with any other countries that initially loosen covid restrictions, what makes me question this being race or politically motivated is the hypocrisy; people complained about China being oppressive when it was enforcing all the covid restrictions and when they loosen it “China doesn’t care about human lives”.\nSo what exactly do you want them to do?", ">\n\n\nto Require Negative Covid Tests for Travelers From China\n\nLuckily China is well known for its systemic unwillingness to fake or counterfeit things, so everything should be fine.\nhonest.", ">\n\nSeems purely retaliatory with no actual effectiveness.\nEnforcement is over a week away and presumably China has hit its peak already (flights being 40% positive)", ">\n\nThe rich rats are going to buy fake tests and jump ship breaking quarantine just like they did in the first wave. Cutting flights or enforcing quarantines is the only way to prevent this stuff from jumping oceans but god forbid anybody inhibit the jet setters.", ">\n\nHALF of the passengers on a plane from China going to Italy tested positive the other day (tested on arrival). Chances are most if not all of them had negative test results they could show that they took before they left. This won't do anything to stop people coming into the US while positive..we are going to have to go through this all over again and we won't have the same somewhat cooperative response in the US this time if it is a variant that evades immunity... It will get REALLY bad.", ">\n\nSeriously they know red states will just let them in and will never do another shut down again. So start dealt with out break countries this way to slow it down or corner it. But I see very very bad days ahead for China and Russia is starting to report out breaks too.", ">\n\nMust. When?", ">\n\nWe already require this from canada iirc\nEdit: i was wrong, canada requires it from us.", ">\n\nI hope we are talking PCR tests... those store-bought 15-minute ones struggle to get a positive if you have any sort of vaccination, even while symptomatic and miserable.", ">\n\nWell, a little bit of good news. I'll take it.", ">\n\nTravel should have been 100$ restricted a long time ago. Travel should be restricted to any country experiencing a COVID outbreak.", ">\n\nWonderful. Another round of Asian hating.", ">\n\nWho's hating on Asians? We're trying to stop this virus from killing people.", ">\n\nor… ban flights from china??", ">\n\nDoesn’t make sense in singling out China when covid is widespread in every single country", ">\n\nThe extent of covid in china atm is just absurd. Two weeks ago, they had 37 MILLION cases in one day. Think about that. Thats more people than a lot of countries! \nsource", ">\n\nI wonder why China has so much trouble with COVID compared to other countries, despite being so strict.", ">\n\nIt’s because they had the zero covid approaches that people are advocating for in this thread and they suddenly reversed course. Everyone in China is getting it so fast its likely the same variants quickly spreading in a population that suddenly reversed course. Having many people getting it over time and exposed to new generations of the virus (which is what happens over time) is more insidious but people here think thats fine", ">\n\nEveryone saying this is racist, do not pay attention to the world", ">\n\nIt was called racist and xenophobic when Trump did it. The left are hypocritical emotional wrecks.", ">\n\nnah trump was racist or did you forget he called it the “china virus” and subsequent hate crimes increased against adians", ">\n\nLet’s not change the subject. We’re talking about testing travelers from China here. Always trying to deflect.", ">\n\nIs that what he did, though? That and nothing else? This is a Fox News headline, but I bet there's a lot more to it. There usually is.\nFYI, Italy is also requiring testing of travelers from China at this time.\nBecause of the high number of cases in China at this time.", ">\n\nSo many dumb replies here. I am sad about where humankind is at.", ">\n\nRound two people", ">\n\nWe need to ramp up testing again at border.", ">\n\nChina trying to stop Covid…lol! Fail miserably at that, build a huge infected population, then unleash it on the world. Great job China /s", ">\n\nSell then the Moderna vaccine so they can treat themselves, ans end this debacle.", ">\n\nEven if US send Moderna and Phizer vaccine, China will not use it, because they boast about \"superior\" Chinese vaccine and don't want to lose face.\n​\nUntil they change their attitude, I suggest keeping restriction in place for PRC travelers.", ">\n\nOh definitely.", ">\n\nCCP exporting covid again.", ">\n\nPaywall - can anyone help me read the article? It sounds great in theory but why wait so long? That’s how this all started in 2020. Test now!", ">\n\nChina has been in quarantine until the protests. They have a very low of vaccinated people, so now everyone's breathing on each other's necks, squeezing in tight places and now introducing another pandemic. \nI believe a combination of everyone quarantined for too long and non vaccinated people are making this a very deadly spread.", ">\n\nTheir vaccination rate is not too bad, except among the elderly. But their vaccine was shit even before all the variants.\nThey've been trying to use lockdown to prevent spread and with the new variants that just won't work.\nSo yeah, they're pretty fucked.", ">\n\nVaccination rate is good, but the rate of people who are up to date on boosters is where they fall short even beyond just the elderly. It also doesn't help that the vaccine being used is overall less effective than the ones being used elsewhere like you said. Makes those booster shots many are lacking even more critical.", ">\n\nApparently Americans only get worried when it’s Chinese people spreading Covid as opposed to their own residents, citizens and Europeans.", ">\n\nseems xenophobic /s", ">\n\noh I'm sure conservatives will be very concerned about the \"freedoms\" of those travelers from China", ">\n\nHow's this going to work for the 75% of all our manufactured goods coming in from China?", ">\n\nThank God Biden is doing this if it was Trump they call him racist .", ">\n\nTrump admin did this and it was hailed as a great idea, because it was. And is.\nWho tf cares who the man or president is when it comes to health? Why are some people like this?", ">\n\nYou know that wasnt true.", ">\n\nWhy would they make a move that would indisputably send hundreds of thousands of infected into the wider world including those that may wind up being infected with a new variant or two? \nCan we at least conclude that China does not care about this possibility? Is that verboten to say?\nCan an axiomatically correct statement still result in a ban?", ">\n\nSounds kinda racist.", ">\n\nMakes absolute sense considering what's currently going on there. Canada should do the same. I'll even go as far as say suspend visas / entry from that part of the world temporarily, until they can get it under control", ">\n\nMakes sense. China is exploding with covid and who knows if/when the next bad variant develops there.", ">\n\nLmao Reddit enjoying their shut in lives so much I’d rather jump off the tallest bridge near me before going into lockdowns again.", ">\n\nXenophobia", ">\n\nXenophobic Biden", ">\n\nPeople are acting like Covid stopped spreading in the US… The US just decided to ignore it, that is until China gained more cases, and now it’s back to fear mongering Chinese people. I see that xenophobia is still alive and well in the US.", ">\n\nMy family and I caught covid during Thanksgiving after being careful for two years. Fortunately, we're all vaccinated so the symptoms didn't hit us too hard. We just got lax with being careful, but we'll probably be wearing our masks in crowded places just to be safe.", ">\n\nI never stopped wearing masks in the US while going to stores. The reality is we have had waves of Covid here in the US, and we have had different mutations of variants too.", ">\n\nThats racist. Biden should be ashamed of himself for allowing such bigotry and hatred towards our Chinese brethren.", ">\n\nThis applies to anyone traveling from China, not just the Chinese.", ">\n\nI wouldn’t think another country was rascist if the USA had a huge surge and temporarily suspended flights to:from the USA until the numbers came down.", ">\n\nSame biological warfare when westerners were entering into China in 2022?", ">\n\n50 Cent army, out in full force!", ">\n\nWhy are we letting anyone in from China?", ">\n\nCitizens and most permanent residents cannot be refused admission.", ">\n\nOh, here we go again.", ">\n\nKind of ironic seeing how the US has worse cases lmao", ">\n\nUS will keep up the bio attacks until the world complies with their foreign policy. Which is to keep China from becoming a threat to its hegemony", ">\n\nWeird how we can’t make our own citizens mask or test but we can make sure travelers from other places do \nWild how absolutely absurd the timeline we’re living in js", ">\n\nGood. We should not allow anyone from any country the opportunity to enter our country without proof.", ">\n\nIt’s not xenophobia, it’s (D)ifferent this time. Maybe if they let trump try this in the first place", ">\n\nThis just adds fuel to racist anti-Asian sentiment in the US. What about all the people on the plane with Chinese travelers who aren't Chinese? If the situation warrants testing of anyone, it warrants testing of everyone.", ">\n\nThis is just politics. Do we really want to pretend we don’t have an overwhelming amount of COVID cases right now in America? Everyone knows most people don’t test unless they’re very sick (which is rare now) and most who even do test use at home tests and don’t report the results. Can we really just not admit to ourselves as a nation that for the overwhelming majority of people COVID no longer poses a serious threat? Hospitalization, death and long COVID are statistically insignificant for healthy vaccinated individuals at this point I don’t see why anyone can see this as anymore than political posturing.", ">\n\nWelcome to the virtue signaling zone." ]
> China’s authoritarian regime locked down their country for years… this contained rhe virus until mass protests as well as international condemnations. So I believe Chinese govt is teaching their citizens a lesson. Let them roam free and allow international travel into the country. Let them get severely ill and die. Then they will acknowledge and apologize to the government. This type of reverse psychology isn’t new.
[ "People from China will travel through Europe and come in to America from the east coast like they did when the pandemic started. This will do nothing if all travelers aboard aren’t made to test.", ">\n\nLet's hope EU and other countries do the same.", ">\n\nI don't know if they will. Australia (for example) had some of the toughest Covid policies and they've essentially just thrown them all out the window.\nSo I don't know how willing countries are to go back to being overly concerned about Covid.", ">\n\nThey should be concerned w chinese, it's spreading like wildfire in china. If we aren't careful, they will come out w covid 20.", ">\n\nIt’s spreading everywhere including the USA. This policy has nothing to do with science or medicine. It’s just politics.", ">\n\nNo. It’s circulating like mad in a population of 1 billion people who haven’t been exposed before. This is how new variants come about. Every country should require negative Covid test for china at least until it cycles through the population", ">\n\n\nNo. It’s circulating like mad in a population of 1 billion people who haven’t been exposed before.\n\nIt's also spreading like mad in all the countries of the world including the USA.\n\nThis is how new variants come about. \n\nAnd they have been for years now.\n\nEvery country should require negative Covid test for china at least until it cycles through the population\n\nOnly for political reasons. There is no scientific or rational demand for this. \nI get it, you hate china, most americans hate china so just be honest and say what you really mean.", ">\n\nStrains are spreading in the west yes, but there are new strains in China that are spreading and we don't know if our vaccines will work with those strains. We know the Chinese vaccines have a low efficacy rate and we know they are not mRNA vaccines which allow for easier adaptation to new strains. Making travelers with a Chinese passport take Covid tests at any and all airports is not racist or even unfair - a reminder that China has been relatively hard to travel to for the last 2 years because they were locked down to foreign travel as well. This is simply good policy from a public health measure, and you not wanting to see that for what it is and instead attribute it to a nascent American hatred for China is laughable. the World Health Organization estimated close to 800 million new cases in China in the next few months, with another estimate 4 million deaths and countless new strains coming out during that period. This is about protection populations, not punishing China.", ">\n\n\nStrains are spreading in the west yes, but there are new strains in China that are spreading and we don't know if our vaccines will work with those strains.\n\nYou don't know if vaccines work against any new variant even if that variant is from a country populated with white people.\n\nWe know the Chinese vaccines have a low efficacy rate and we know they are not mRNA vaccines which allow for easier adaptation to new strains. \n\nThe vaccine doesn't adapt once inside of your body you know that right?\n\nMaking travelers with a Chinese passport take Covid tests at any and all airports is not racist or even unfair \n\nit's definitely unfair and probably racist as well.\n\nhis is simply good policy from a public health measure, a\n\nA good policy would be to require vaccinations from everybody. Think about it, you are requiring a vaccine that you said doesn't even work. How much sense does that make?\n\nattribute it to a nascent American hatred for China is laughable.\n\nNascent?\n\nThis is about protection populations, not punishing China.\n\nIt's definitely about punishing china, it's a part of the current cold war with China conducted by the USA.", ">\n\n\nYou don't know if vaccines work against any new variant even if that variant is from a country populated with white people.\n\nAll the more reason to not invite more new strains into the country. White population or otherwise has nothing to do with it, expected rise in cases in China does.\n\nThe vaccine doesn't adapt once inside of your body you know that right?\n\nYou missed the point. The point i was making was that the Chinese medical system has not even approached Covid with an mRNA vaccine, and steadfastly refused to license western vaccines. If the vaccine most readily available in China has a 50% efficacy then the population is at more risk of contracting the virus and having negative results. The infection rates are increased with each new case of BA.7 (China is currently seeing each covid patient infecting on average 18 other people represented as 1:18, whereas the in US the rate is 1:3.9). Each of these factors increases the risk of developing new strains that are vaccine resistant. \n\nit's definitely unfair and probably racist as well\n\nIs it your position that nations cannot take any prescriptive action to prevent the spread of infected persons from other countries? Again i would remind you that China has basically been locked down for the last 2 years, with severe limitations to personal freedoms themselves. This is not based on race, but rather a government's inability to contain a contagious outbreak in their own country and not wanting it to spread. \n\nA good policy would be to require vaccinations from everybody. Think about it, you are requiring a vaccine that you said doesn't even work. How much sense does that make?\n\nThat might be your definition on good policy, but it isn't mine and that isn't how the west does it. \"I\" am not requiring a vaccine that \"I\" said doesn't work - that was your suggestion not mine. Also, i said the efficacy of the Chinese vaccine is 50% - based on available information - i never said it didn't work, and i never said that it should be mandatory or required.\n\nNascent?\n\nPoor and wrong word choice on my part it seems. What i meant was ascribing the US decision to require testing of Chinese travelers to racism because you believe that the US is racist is laughable. Taking a test to prove that you are covid negative is far less onerous on a traveler than most visa requirements.\n\nIt's definitely about punishing china, it's a part of the current cold war with China conducted by the USA.\n\nCite your sources. I could point to many Chinese government policies that i could say are part of the current cold war with the US without backing it up and it would be just as credible as what you said. Opinion is not a source, and not proof. You assume that the US government is racist, that this policy is racist and yet we have had travel bans imposed on other countries, as well as testing required for travelers from other countries imposed before, and other policies and so has China. For goodness sake China has been closed to foreigners for almost 3 years, and is still closed to foreign travel until January 2023. Is that a racist policy as well?", ">\n\nHere we go again.\nThis time I think I'll learn French cooking.", ">\n\n5000 People a day will have to die before Anybody says the word Lock down in the States ever again.", ">\n\nDon’t understand why people can’t handle staying at home for two weeks when it could potentially eradicate a deadly virus. Are we that weak?", ">\n\nWe did that in large part in March 2020. And did China not spend years locking down their citizens? \nPeoples savings are gone. They need to work. \nWearing a mask would do a lot to help the issue but people aren’t willing to do that anymore.", ">\n\nWe didn't do that though. We didn't all lock down when we were supposed to. Where I work I had to go in from the very start all the way through. Most people, the majority of people, didn't stay home even if they didn't have work. Most people didn't fuck with masks or keeping a distance, and even people who weren't antivaccers didn't take the vaccine seriously for the longest time. \nWe had no fucking lock down, unless you were a well-off celebrity or comedian who wanted to talk about being locked down for content. \nIf people legit locked down, they would have taken a small hit financially, but too many people didn't do shit and prolonged everything.", ">\n\nThe things is that it doesn't take long to drain peoples saving - becuase the overwhelming majority of people have practically none. \nSo an extended lockdown was never feasible unless the government was willing to pay several trillion dollars of expenses, not just 2 or 3 times but several times over.", ">\n\nI didn't dispute any of what you said. I pointed out that most people actively contested any safety measure and most people didn't actually lock down. Any extension will almost certainly be the fault of most of those people. \nI'd gladly let them all die if it meant the few people who did take things seriously didn't have to live through a Walking Dead scenario or have to take a huge financial hit because them.", ">\n\nMost people did lock down just fine initially. After a few weeks turned into a month or more, yeah people got testy.\nAdditionally, a gigantic amount of people work in critical industries and simply cant stay home. Just keeping the lights and water on requires tens of millions of workers, plus industries like plants and refineries that simply cannot shut down without massive long-term consequences.\nReddit is full of office people who can WFH, the vast majority of people cant.", ">\n\nI was one of those who couldn't stay home. Right out of the gate most people gave up on almost all of it except when they were making a show of complying when they had to. There was a lot of cheating. I walk through a lot of different areas. The waves of patients and bodies we got at work tracked with that and became predictable.", ">\n\nWhat’s that saying that ends with ”…doomed to repeat it?”", ">\n\nWhy not just require a negative test from everyone?", ">\n\nWho would you expect to pay for that?", ">\n\nGovernments or sponsors from the private sector ideally, I honestly don’t give a fuck. I’ve gotten many free tests from both and I’ve also bought some for like $8.", ">\n\n“Here we go again” from everyone in the comments. \nThe virus never stopped, we did.", ">\n\nVirus will always be there. Permanent restrictions are unsustainable", ">\n\n3 years later...\nIs this permanent?", ">\n\nI doubt there's anything that would make Republicans running in 2024 happier then Democrats advocating for a return to COVID restrictions.", ">\n\nRight? It’d be like the democrats fighting for gun control, or gay and trans rights, or safe and legal abortions. It would be political suicide to stand for something that Republicans don’t like!", ">\n\nMy understanding is that everything you listed is broadly popular or has at least a majority of American's in favor of it. A return to COVID restrictions is not in that category.", ">\n\nGun control isn’t even universally loved amongst the American left, as the hard left needs them for protection from the hard right they clash with, and the middle left does like having their guns taken as much as any middle right wing does, only mid left likes it", ">\n\nGallup has 57% of Americans feeling that in general gun laws should be more strict.", ">\n\nRegular people want kids to stop dying while in school. The problem is \"stricter laws\" is vague and no one can agree on what it means or give a serious proposal that would work, short of confiscation and bans, which are wildly unpopular.", ">\n\nVague political talking points is the best we’re going to get. Much as I’d love a Ross Perot style of breaking down every platform and promise, the general public doesn’t go for it. Buzz words are all we have the attention span for.", ">\n\nChina's COVID-19 surge raises odds of new coronavirus variants\nThings could get very ugly.", ">\n\nYou say this like covid hasn't been spreading rampantly through literally every country on the planet, mostly without any measures to stop the spread. Why does China get a different treatment and maybe countries should require tests from the US or Inida or Europe?", ">\n\nI agree. US was primarily the culprit of why COVID went rampant to begin with. We actively refused to enforce any sort of safety measures, just a mild suggestion of \"maybe wear a mask, if you want to, it's ok if you don't\" and \"we have vaccines if you want one, no pressure tho\". That was really our response to the world's deadliest pandemic.", ">\n\nWe actively made fun of zero covid approaches on reddit and now based on the comments on this thread we are suddenly pro “zero covid” approaches", ">\n\nEveryone finally watched contagion", ">\n\nSo far my 2023 bingo card is reading alooot of skull and crossbones, I think I might actually win at something next year, what does your score card look like?", ">\n\nWhen’s that $1200 going to hit my account?", ">\n\nI’m still living off mine from last time!", ">\n\nI’m still looking for mine", ">\n\nI’m waiting for that $600 bucks from Biden still, but that’s going right into my retirement!", ">\n\nYou dont get he meant to include any money you already received as well /s", ">\n\nI seem to remember campaign ads with $2000 checks.", ">\n\nYep they explicitly mentioned $2,000 checks.", ">\n\nMy comment was sarcasm but in retrospect there are so many neoliberals saying that word for word in all seriousness that I should and will add a sarcasm tag", ">\n\nThat's nice and all, but let's not act like we're not just ignoring our own COVID problems.", ">\n\n\n\"You don't have zero tolerance anymore? We can't tolerate that.\"\n\n- Country with 100% tolerance", ">\n\nWhy not require a negative COVID test from everyone entering the country? It’s like they don’t want COVID to be under control.", ">\n\nI think this is because China has a relatively low vaccination rate because they relied on lock downs. Now that lock downs are being ramped down, they are having a huge surge.", ">\n\nThe vaccination rate in China is considerably higher than the US (92% vs 81%). This is just another example of yellow peril", ">\n\nThank you for pointing this out. What I said above was wrong about the vaccination rate. I don’t know why exactly China is having a surge. 🤷‍♂️", ">\n\nTheir vaccination rate is high but their vaccine, SinoVac is based on old tech. It conveys effectively zero protection from variants when compared to all the other types of vaccines on the market.", ">\n\nYou guys are so full of shit. At 3 doses Sinovac gives the same protection as any western vaccine with boosters to help mitigate mutated variants. Stop spreading misinfo.", ">\n\n\"Does that thumbnail of someone getting tested read too much like 'screaming uselessly into the void'?\"\n\"I'm sure it'll be fine.\"", ">\n\nMaybe, just maybe they shouldnt have stopped testing airplane passengers in the first place... \nWe have cheap, readily available tests that take 10 minutes to complete. There’s really no reason not to test ever passenger before boarding...", ">\n\nEveryone I know who had Omicron tested negative until their symptoms cleared. It was evading the RATs, for some reason.", ">\n\nI tested positive on a rapid test two days after getting congested. Every teacher coworker of mine who bothered to test after getting cold symptoms also did. I think it's why so few parents now test their kids before sending time to school sick. They don't want to know so we all find out when we or our family members then test positive, missing work on their sick kids' behalf so they didn't have to. \nI have also heard the rapid test can give false negatives but anecdotal references don't mean much.", ">\n\nA day late and a dollar short. Same old song and dance.", ">\n\nWow, it’s like history literally repeating itself.", ">\n\nIndeed it is. I hope everyone is prepared for what’s next.", ">\n\nWe should require negative COVID tests for people to fly within the US, too.\nIt makes no difference to me if the person who infects me at LAX is coming in from China, or from Texas.", ">\n\nThere is a high chance anyone that comes from China has Covid right now. Low chance that someone inside America has.", ">\n\nNaw. China’s percent is much higher, sure, but it’s not like US infection rates are low. You can pretty much guarantee an infected American on every sold out domestic flight. The latest variants are super, super contagious, and it only takes one infected person to pose a serious risk to the other people sharing their space, and then all of their families and friends after they land. All flights should still require testing and masking at this point, or all we’ve really accomplished is pacifying the dimwits and xenophobes.\nI know at least 3 people who 100% contracted COVID while flying domestically in the US this last month - because they were isolated for the incubation period beforehand. They were masked the entire time they were in the airport and on the plane.", ">\n\nIf they were masked up and I assume vaccinated and still caught the virus then preventable measures like these aren’t that effective.", ">\n\nIs there a new strain of Covid that isn't in the U.S yet, otherwise what's the point.", ">\n\nUm testing should not ever stop.", ">\n\nAh shit here we go again", ">\n\n\"Who left the fridge open?\"", ">\n\nIt's \"just a cold\" unless it's a non-white person from another country carrying it.\n/s", ">\n\nChina implemented an ineffective vaccine and had 30m+ cases in one day. It’s specifically that gov. refusing to use effective vaccines", ">\n\nAnd the United States had effective vaccines that half the country is not willing to nor willing to wear masks, while complaining to other countries like China about their travel restrictions (from China and Hong Kong). And honestly I’m not oppose to a tighter restriction on China while they are experiencing a surge in new cases just as it did with any other countries that initially loosen covid restrictions, what makes me question this being race or politically motivated is the hypocrisy; people complained about China being oppressive when it was enforcing all the covid restrictions and when they loosen it “China doesn’t care about human lives”.\nSo what exactly do you want them to do?", ">\n\n\nto Require Negative Covid Tests for Travelers From China\n\nLuckily China is well known for its systemic unwillingness to fake or counterfeit things, so everything should be fine.\nhonest.", ">\n\nSeems purely retaliatory with no actual effectiveness.\nEnforcement is over a week away and presumably China has hit its peak already (flights being 40% positive)", ">\n\nThe rich rats are going to buy fake tests and jump ship breaking quarantine just like they did in the first wave. Cutting flights or enforcing quarantines is the only way to prevent this stuff from jumping oceans but god forbid anybody inhibit the jet setters.", ">\n\nHALF of the passengers on a plane from China going to Italy tested positive the other day (tested on arrival). Chances are most if not all of them had negative test results they could show that they took before they left. This won't do anything to stop people coming into the US while positive..we are going to have to go through this all over again and we won't have the same somewhat cooperative response in the US this time if it is a variant that evades immunity... It will get REALLY bad.", ">\n\nSeriously they know red states will just let them in and will never do another shut down again. So start dealt with out break countries this way to slow it down or corner it. But I see very very bad days ahead for China and Russia is starting to report out breaks too.", ">\n\nMust. When?", ">\n\nWe already require this from canada iirc\nEdit: i was wrong, canada requires it from us.", ">\n\nI hope we are talking PCR tests... those store-bought 15-minute ones struggle to get a positive if you have any sort of vaccination, even while symptomatic and miserable.", ">\n\nWell, a little bit of good news. I'll take it.", ">\n\nTravel should have been 100$ restricted a long time ago. Travel should be restricted to any country experiencing a COVID outbreak.", ">\n\nWonderful. Another round of Asian hating.", ">\n\nWho's hating on Asians? We're trying to stop this virus from killing people.", ">\n\nor… ban flights from china??", ">\n\nDoesn’t make sense in singling out China when covid is widespread in every single country", ">\n\nThe extent of covid in china atm is just absurd. Two weeks ago, they had 37 MILLION cases in one day. Think about that. Thats more people than a lot of countries! \nsource", ">\n\nI wonder why China has so much trouble with COVID compared to other countries, despite being so strict.", ">\n\nIt’s because they had the zero covid approaches that people are advocating for in this thread and they suddenly reversed course. Everyone in China is getting it so fast its likely the same variants quickly spreading in a population that suddenly reversed course. Having many people getting it over time and exposed to new generations of the virus (which is what happens over time) is more insidious but people here think thats fine", ">\n\nEveryone saying this is racist, do not pay attention to the world", ">\n\nIt was called racist and xenophobic when Trump did it. The left are hypocritical emotional wrecks.", ">\n\nnah trump was racist or did you forget he called it the “china virus” and subsequent hate crimes increased against adians", ">\n\nLet’s not change the subject. We’re talking about testing travelers from China here. Always trying to deflect.", ">\n\nIs that what he did, though? That and nothing else? This is a Fox News headline, but I bet there's a lot more to it. There usually is.\nFYI, Italy is also requiring testing of travelers from China at this time.\nBecause of the high number of cases in China at this time.", ">\n\nSo many dumb replies here. I am sad about where humankind is at.", ">\n\nRound two people", ">\n\nWe need to ramp up testing again at border.", ">\n\nChina trying to stop Covid…lol! Fail miserably at that, build a huge infected population, then unleash it on the world. Great job China /s", ">\n\nSell then the Moderna vaccine so they can treat themselves, ans end this debacle.", ">\n\nEven if US send Moderna and Phizer vaccine, China will not use it, because they boast about \"superior\" Chinese vaccine and don't want to lose face.\n​\nUntil they change their attitude, I suggest keeping restriction in place for PRC travelers.", ">\n\nOh definitely.", ">\n\nCCP exporting covid again.", ">\n\nPaywall - can anyone help me read the article? It sounds great in theory but why wait so long? That’s how this all started in 2020. Test now!", ">\n\nChina has been in quarantine until the protests. They have a very low of vaccinated people, so now everyone's breathing on each other's necks, squeezing in tight places and now introducing another pandemic. \nI believe a combination of everyone quarantined for too long and non vaccinated people are making this a very deadly spread.", ">\n\nTheir vaccination rate is not too bad, except among the elderly. But their vaccine was shit even before all the variants.\nThey've been trying to use lockdown to prevent spread and with the new variants that just won't work.\nSo yeah, they're pretty fucked.", ">\n\nVaccination rate is good, but the rate of people who are up to date on boosters is where they fall short even beyond just the elderly. It also doesn't help that the vaccine being used is overall less effective than the ones being used elsewhere like you said. Makes those booster shots many are lacking even more critical.", ">\n\nApparently Americans only get worried when it’s Chinese people spreading Covid as opposed to their own residents, citizens and Europeans.", ">\n\nseems xenophobic /s", ">\n\noh I'm sure conservatives will be very concerned about the \"freedoms\" of those travelers from China", ">\n\nHow's this going to work for the 75% of all our manufactured goods coming in from China?", ">\n\nThank God Biden is doing this if it was Trump they call him racist .", ">\n\nTrump admin did this and it was hailed as a great idea, because it was. And is.\nWho tf cares who the man or president is when it comes to health? Why are some people like this?", ">\n\nYou know that wasnt true.", ">\n\nWhy would they make a move that would indisputably send hundreds of thousands of infected into the wider world including those that may wind up being infected with a new variant or two? \nCan we at least conclude that China does not care about this possibility? Is that verboten to say?\nCan an axiomatically correct statement still result in a ban?", ">\n\nSounds kinda racist.", ">\n\nMakes absolute sense considering what's currently going on there. Canada should do the same. I'll even go as far as say suspend visas / entry from that part of the world temporarily, until they can get it under control", ">\n\nMakes sense. China is exploding with covid and who knows if/when the next bad variant develops there.", ">\n\nLmao Reddit enjoying their shut in lives so much I’d rather jump off the tallest bridge near me before going into lockdowns again.", ">\n\nXenophobia", ">\n\nXenophobic Biden", ">\n\nPeople are acting like Covid stopped spreading in the US… The US just decided to ignore it, that is until China gained more cases, and now it’s back to fear mongering Chinese people. I see that xenophobia is still alive and well in the US.", ">\n\nMy family and I caught covid during Thanksgiving after being careful for two years. Fortunately, we're all vaccinated so the symptoms didn't hit us too hard. We just got lax with being careful, but we'll probably be wearing our masks in crowded places just to be safe.", ">\n\nI never stopped wearing masks in the US while going to stores. The reality is we have had waves of Covid here in the US, and we have had different mutations of variants too.", ">\n\nThats racist. Biden should be ashamed of himself for allowing such bigotry and hatred towards our Chinese brethren.", ">\n\nThis applies to anyone traveling from China, not just the Chinese.", ">\n\nI wouldn’t think another country was rascist if the USA had a huge surge and temporarily suspended flights to:from the USA until the numbers came down.", ">\n\nSame biological warfare when westerners were entering into China in 2022?", ">\n\n50 Cent army, out in full force!", ">\n\nWhy are we letting anyone in from China?", ">\n\nCitizens and most permanent residents cannot be refused admission.", ">\n\nOh, here we go again.", ">\n\nKind of ironic seeing how the US has worse cases lmao", ">\n\nUS will keep up the bio attacks until the world complies with their foreign policy. Which is to keep China from becoming a threat to its hegemony", ">\n\nWeird how we can’t make our own citizens mask or test but we can make sure travelers from other places do \nWild how absolutely absurd the timeline we’re living in js", ">\n\nGood. We should not allow anyone from any country the opportunity to enter our country without proof.", ">\n\nIt’s not xenophobia, it’s (D)ifferent this time. Maybe if they let trump try this in the first place", ">\n\nThis just adds fuel to racist anti-Asian sentiment in the US. What about all the people on the plane with Chinese travelers who aren't Chinese? If the situation warrants testing of anyone, it warrants testing of everyone.", ">\n\nThis is just politics. Do we really want to pretend we don’t have an overwhelming amount of COVID cases right now in America? Everyone knows most people don’t test unless they’re very sick (which is rare now) and most who even do test use at home tests and don’t report the results. Can we really just not admit to ourselves as a nation that for the overwhelming majority of people COVID no longer poses a serious threat? Hospitalization, death and long COVID are statistically insignificant for healthy vaccinated individuals at this point I don’t see why anyone can see this as anymore than political posturing.", ">\n\nWelcome to the virtue signaling zone.", ">\n\nWell ??? Why wouldn't we check considering their outbreak is significant. Seriously was this a question ?" ]
> We the People require a vigilant health care approach to our borders at the expense of [Pure Greed] from those who capitalize on what ails us We the People demand all institutions do a readiness check At which time We the People can demand a Meeting of the Continental Congress to address the state of our union, to reboot the principles and powers of the American Constitution and Bill of Rights, to re instate the neutral balance of power in the houses and senate of all levels of our current government[ one party control is not the operation of the United States of America 🇺🇸]
[ "People from China will travel through Europe and come in to America from the east coast like they did when the pandemic started. This will do nothing if all travelers aboard aren’t made to test.", ">\n\nLet's hope EU and other countries do the same.", ">\n\nI don't know if they will. Australia (for example) had some of the toughest Covid policies and they've essentially just thrown them all out the window.\nSo I don't know how willing countries are to go back to being overly concerned about Covid.", ">\n\nThey should be concerned w chinese, it's spreading like wildfire in china. If we aren't careful, they will come out w covid 20.", ">\n\nIt’s spreading everywhere including the USA. This policy has nothing to do with science or medicine. It’s just politics.", ">\n\nNo. It’s circulating like mad in a population of 1 billion people who haven’t been exposed before. This is how new variants come about. Every country should require negative Covid test for china at least until it cycles through the population", ">\n\n\nNo. It’s circulating like mad in a population of 1 billion people who haven’t been exposed before.\n\nIt's also spreading like mad in all the countries of the world including the USA.\n\nThis is how new variants come about. \n\nAnd they have been for years now.\n\nEvery country should require negative Covid test for china at least until it cycles through the population\n\nOnly for political reasons. There is no scientific or rational demand for this. \nI get it, you hate china, most americans hate china so just be honest and say what you really mean.", ">\n\nStrains are spreading in the west yes, but there are new strains in China that are spreading and we don't know if our vaccines will work with those strains. We know the Chinese vaccines have a low efficacy rate and we know they are not mRNA vaccines which allow for easier adaptation to new strains. Making travelers with a Chinese passport take Covid tests at any and all airports is not racist or even unfair - a reminder that China has been relatively hard to travel to for the last 2 years because they were locked down to foreign travel as well. This is simply good policy from a public health measure, and you not wanting to see that for what it is and instead attribute it to a nascent American hatred for China is laughable. the World Health Organization estimated close to 800 million new cases in China in the next few months, with another estimate 4 million deaths and countless new strains coming out during that period. This is about protection populations, not punishing China.", ">\n\n\nStrains are spreading in the west yes, but there are new strains in China that are spreading and we don't know if our vaccines will work with those strains.\n\nYou don't know if vaccines work against any new variant even if that variant is from a country populated with white people.\n\nWe know the Chinese vaccines have a low efficacy rate and we know they are not mRNA vaccines which allow for easier adaptation to new strains. \n\nThe vaccine doesn't adapt once inside of your body you know that right?\n\nMaking travelers with a Chinese passport take Covid tests at any and all airports is not racist or even unfair \n\nit's definitely unfair and probably racist as well.\n\nhis is simply good policy from a public health measure, a\n\nA good policy would be to require vaccinations from everybody. Think about it, you are requiring a vaccine that you said doesn't even work. How much sense does that make?\n\nattribute it to a nascent American hatred for China is laughable.\n\nNascent?\n\nThis is about protection populations, not punishing China.\n\nIt's definitely about punishing china, it's a part of the current cold war with China conducted by the USA.", ">\n\n\nYou don't know if vaccines work against any new variant even if that variant is from a country populated with white people.\n\nAll the more reason to not invite more new strains into the country. White population or otherwise has nothing to do with it, expected rise in cases in China does.\n\nThe vaccine doesn't adapt once inside of your body you know that right?\n\nYou missed the point. The point i was making was that the Chinese medical system has not even approached Covid with an mRNA vaccine, and steadfastly refused to license western vaccines. If the vaccine most readily available in China has a 50% efficacy then the population is at more risk of contracting the virus and having negative results. The infection rates are increased with each new case of BA.7 (China is currently seeing each covid patient infecting on average 18 other people represented as 1:18, whereas the in US the rate is 1:3.9). Each of these factors increases the risk of developing new strains that are vaccine resistant. \n\nit's definitely unfair and probably racist as well\n\nIs it your position that nations cannot take any prescriptive action to prevent the spread of infected persons from other countries? Again i would remind you that China has basically been locked down for the last 2 years, with severe limitations to personal freedoms themselves. This is not based on race, but rather a government's inability to contain a contagious outbreak in their own country and not wanting it to spread. \n\nA good policy would be to require vaccinations from everybody. Think about it, you are requiring a vaccine that you said doesn't even work. How much sense does that make?\n\nThat might be your definition on good policy, but it isn't mine and that isn't how the west does it. \"I\" am not requiring a vaccine that \"I\" said doesn't work - that was your suggestion not mine. Also, i said the efficacy of the Chinese vaccine is 50% - based on available information - i never said it didn't work, and i never said that it should be mandatory or required.\n\nNascent?\n\nPoor and wrong word choice on my part it seems. What i meant was ascribing the US decision to require testing of Chinese travelers to racism because you believe that the US is racist is laughable. Taking a test to prove that you are covid negative is far less onerous on a traveler than most visa requirements.\n\nIt's definitely about punishing china, it's a part of the current cold war with China conducted by the USA.\n\nCite your sources. I could point to many Chinese government policies that i could say are part of the current cold war with the US without backing it up and it would be just as credible as what you said. Opinion is not a source, and not proof. You assume that the US government is racist, that this policy is racist and yet we have had travel bans imposed on other countries, as well as testing required for travelers from other countries imposed before, and other policies and so has China. For goodness sake China has been closed to foreigners for almost 3 years, and is still closed to foreign travel until January 2023. Is that a racist policy as well?", ">\n\nHere we go again.\nThis time I think I'll learn French cooking.", ">\n\n5000 People a day will have to die before Anybody says the word Lock down in the States ever again.", ">\n\nDon’t understand why people can’t handle staying at home for two weeks when it could potentially eradicate a deadly virus. Are we that weak?", ">\n\nWe did that in large part in March 2020. And did China not spend years locking down their citizens? \nPeoples savings are gone. They need to work. \nWearing a mask would do a lot to help the issue but people aren’t willing to do that anymore.", ">\n\nWe didn't do that though. We didn't all lock down when we were supposed to. Where I work I had to go in from the very start all the way through. Most people, the majority of people, didn't stay home even if they didn't have work. Most people didn't fuck with masks or keeping a distance, and even people who weren't antivaccers didn't take the vaccine seriously for the longest time. \nWe had no fucking lock down, unless you were a well-off celebrity or comedian who wanted to talk about being locked down for content. \nIf people legit locked down, they would have taken a small hit financially, but too many people didn't do shit and prolonged everything.", ">\n\nThe things is that it doesn't take long to drain peoples saving - becuase the overwhelming majority of people have practically none. \nSo an extended lockdown was never feasible unless the government was willing to pay several trillion dollars of expenses, not just 2 or 3 times but several times over.", ">\n\nI didn't dispute any of what you said. I pointed out that most people actively contested any safety measure and most people didn't actually lock down. Any extension will almost certainly be the fault of most of those people. \nI'd gladly let them all die if it meant the few people who did take things seriously didn't have to live through a Walking Dead scenario or have to take a huge financial hit because them.", ">\n\nMost people did lock down just fine initially. After a few weeks turned into a month or more, yeah people got testy.\nAdditionally, a gigantic amount of people work in critical industries and simply cant stay home. Just keeping the lights and water on requires tens of millions of workers, plus industries like plants and refineries that simply cannot shut down without massive long-term consequences.\nReddit is full of office people who can WFH, the vast majority of people cant.", ">\n\nI was one of those who couldn't stay home. Right out of the gate most people gave up on almost all of it except when they were making a show of complying when they had to. There was a lot of cheating. I walk through a lot of different areas. The waves of patients and bodies we got at work tracked with that and became predictable.", ">\n\nWhat’s that saying that ends with ”…doomed to repeat it?”", ">\n\nWhy not just require a negative test from everyone?", ">\n\nWho would you expect to pay for that?", ">\n\nGovernments or sponsors from the private sector ideally, I honestly don’t give a fuck. I’ve gotten many free tests from both and I’ve also bought some for like $8.", ">\n\n“Here we go again” from everyone in the comments. \nThe virus never stopped, we did.", ">\n\nVirus will always be there. Permanent restrictions are unsustainable", ">\n\n3 years later...\nIs this permanent?", ">\n\nI doubt there's anything that would make Republicans running in 2024 happier then Democrats advocating for a return to COVID restrictions.", ">\n\nRight? It’d be like the democrats fighting for gun control, or gay and trans rights, or safe and legal abortions. It would be political suicide to stand for something that Republicans don’t like!", ">\n\nMy understanding is that everything you listed is broadly popular or has at least a majority of American's in favor of it. A return to COVID restrictions is not in that category.", ">\n\nGun control isn’t even universally loved amongst the American left, as the hard left needs them for protection from the hard right they clash with, and the middle left does like having their guns taken as much as any middle right wing does, only mid left likes it", ">\n\nGallup has 57% of Americans feeling that in general gun laws should be more strict.", ">\n\nRegular people want kids to stop dying while in school. The problem is \"stricter laws\" is vague and no one can agree on what it means or give a serious proposal that would work, short of confiscation and bans, which are wildly unpopular.", ">\n\nVague political talking points is the best we’re going to get. Much as I’d love a Ross Perot style of breaking down every platform and promise, the general public doesn’t go for it. Buzz words are all we have the attention span for.", ">\n\nChina's COVID-19 surge raises odds of new coronavirus variants\nThings could get very ugly.", ">\n\nYou say this like covid hasn't been spreading rampantly through literally every country on the planet, mostly without any measures to stop the spread. Why does China get a different treatment and maybe countries should require tests from the US or Inida or Europe?", ">\n\nI agree. US was primarily the culprit of why COVID went rampant to begin with. We actively refused to enforce any sort of safety measures, just a mild suggestion of \"maybe wear a mask, if you want to, it's ok if you don't\" and \"we have vaccines if you want one, no pressure tho\". That was really our response to the world's deadliest pandemic.", ">\n\nWe actively made fun of zero covid approaches on reddit and now based on the comments on this thread we are suddenly pro “zero covid” approaches", ">\n\nEveryone finally watched contagion", ">\n\nSo far my 2023 bingo card is reading alooot of skull and crossbones, I think I might actually win at something next year, what does your score card look like?", ">\n\nWhen’s that $1200 going to hit my account?", ">\n\nI’m still living off mine from last time!", ">\n\nI’m still looking for mine", ">\n\nI’m waiting for that $600 bucks from Biden still, but that’s going right into my retirement!", ">\n\nYou dont get he meant to include any money you already received as well /s", ">\n\nI seem to remember campaign ads with $2000 checks.", ">\n\nYep they explicitly mentioned $2,000 checks.", ">\n\nMy comment was sarcasm but in retrospect there are so many neoliberals saying that word for word in all seriousness that I should and will add a sarcasm tag", ">\n\nThat's nice and all, but let's not act like we're not just ignoring our own COVID problems.", ">\n\n\n\"You don't have zero tolerance anymore? We can't tolerate that.\"\n\n- Country with 100% tolerance", ">\n\nWhy not require a negative COVID test from everyone entering the country? It’s like they don’t want COVID to be under control.", ">\n\nI think this is because China has a relatively low vaccination rate because they relied on lock downs. Now that lock downs are being ramped down, they are having a huge surge.", ">\n\nThe vaccination rate in China is considerably higher than the US (92% vs 81%). This is just another example of yellow peril", ">\n\nThank you for pointing this out. What I said above was wrong about the vaccination rate. I don’t know why exactly China is having a surge. 🤷‍♂️", ">\n\nTheir vaccination rate is high but their vaccine, SinoVac is based on old tech. It conveys effectively zero protection from variants when compared to all the other types of vaccines on the market.", ">\n\nYou guys are so full of shit. At 3 doses Sinovac gives the same protection as any western vaccine with boosters to help mitigate mutated variants. Stop spreading misinfo.", ">\n\n\"Does that thumbnail of someone getting tested read too much like 'screaming uselessly into the void'?\"\n\"I'm sure it'll be fine.\"", ">\n\nMaybe, just maybe they shouldnt have stopped testing airplane passengers in the first place... \nWe have cheap, readily available tests that take 10 minutes to complete. There’s really no reason not to test ever passenger before boarding...", ">\n\nEveryone I know who had Omicron tested negative until their symptoms cleared. It was evading the RATs, for some reason.", ">\n\nI tested positive on a rapid test two days after getting congested. Every teacher coworker of mine who bothered to test after getting cold symptoms also did. I think it's why so few parents now test their kids before sending time to school sick. They don't want to know so we all find out when we or our family members then test positive, missing work on their sick kids' behalf so they didn't have to. \nI have also heard the rapid test can give false negatives but anecdotal references don't mean much.", ">\n\nA day late and a dollar short. Same old song and dance.", ">\n\nWow, it’s like history literally repeating itself.", ">\n\nIndeed it is. I hope everyone is prepared for what’s next.", ">\n\nWe should require negative COVID tests for people to fly within the US, too.\nIt makes no difference to me if the person who infects me at LAX is coming in from China, or from Texas.", ">\n\nThere is a high chance anyone that comes from China has Covid right now. Low chance that someone inside America has.", ">\n\nNaw. China’s percent is much higher, sure, but it’s not like US infection rates are low. You can pretty much guarantee an infected American on every sold out domestic flight. The latest variants are super, super contagious, and it only takes one infected person to pose a serious risk to the other people sharing their space, and then all of their families and friends after they land. All flights should still require testing and masking at this point, or all we’ve really accomplished is pacifying the dimwits and xenophobes.\nI know at least 3 people who 100% contracted COVID while flying domestically in the US this last month - because they were isolated for the incubation period beforehand. They were masked the entire time they were in the airport and on the plane.", ">\n\nIf they were masked up and I assume vaccinated and still caught the virus then preventable measures like these aren’t that effective.", ">\n\nIs there a new strain of Covid that isn't in the U.S yet, otherwise what's the point.", ">\n\nUm testing should not ever stop.", ">\n\nAh shit here we go again", ">\n\n\"Who left the fridge open?\"", ">\n\nIt's \"just a cold\" unless it's a non-white person from another country carrying it.\n/s", ">\n\nChina implemented an ineffective vaccine and had 30m+ cases in one day. It’s specifically that gov. refusing to use effective vaccines", ">\n\nAnd the United States had effective vaccines that half the country is not willing to nor willing to wear masks, while complaining to other countries like China about their travel restrictions (from China and Hong Kong). And honestly I’m not oppose to a tighter restriction on China while they are experiencing a surge in new cases just as it did with any other countries that initially loosen covid restrictions, what makes me question this being race or politically motivated is the hypocrisy; people complained about China being oppressive when it was enforcing all the covid restrictions and when they loosen it “China doesn’t care about human lives”.\nSo what exactly do you want them to do?", ">\n\n\nto Require Negative Covid Tests for Travelers From China\n\nLuckily China is well known for its systemic unwillingness to fake or counterfeit things, so everything should be fine.\nhonest.", ">\n\nSeems purely retaliatory with no actual effectiveness.\nEnforcement is over a week away and presumably China has hit its peak already (flights being 40% positive)", ">\n\nThe rich rats are going to buy fake tests and jump ship breaking quarantine just like they did in the first wave. Cutting flights or enforcing quarantines is the only way to prevent this stuff from jumping oceans but god forbid anybody inhibit the jet setters.", ">\n\nHALF of the passengers on a plane from China going to Italy tested positive the other day (tested on arrival). Chances are most if not all of them had negative test results they could show that they took before they left. This won't do anything to stop people coming into the US while positive..we are going to have to go through this all over again and we won't have the same somewhat cooperative response in the US this time if it is a variant that evades immunity... It will get REALLY bad.", ">\n\nSeriously they know red states will just let them in and will never do another shut down again. So start dealt with out break countries this way to slow it down or corner it. But I see very very bad days ahead for China and Russia is starting to report out breaks too.", ">\n\nMust. When?", ">\n\nWe already require this from canada iirc\nEdit: i was wrong, canada requires it from us.", ">\n\nI hope we are talking PCR tests... those store-bought 15-minute ones struggle to get a positive if you have any sort of vaccination, even while symptomatic and miserable.", ">\n\nWell, a little bit of good news. I'll take it.", ">\n\nTravel should have been 100$ restricted a long time ago. Travel should be restricted to any country experiencing a COVID outbreak.", ">\n\nWonderful. Another round of Asian hating.", ">\n\nWho's hating on Asians? We're trying to stop this virus from killing people.", ">\n\nor… ban flights from china??", ">\n\nDoesn’t make sense in singling out China when covid is widespread in every single country", ">\n\nThe extent of covid in china atm is just absurd. Two weeks ago, they had 37 MILLION cases in one day. Think about that. Thats more people than a lot of countries! \nsource", ">\n\nI wonder why China has so much trouble with COVID compared to other countries, despite being so strict.", ">\n\nIt’s because they had the zero covid approaches that people are advocating for in this thread and they suddenly reversed course. Everyone in China is getting it so fast its likely the same variants quickly spreading in a population that suddenly reversed course. Having many people getting it over time and exposed to new generations of the virus (which is what happens over time) is more insidious but people here think thats fine", ">\n\nEveryone saying this is racist, do not pay attention to the world", ">\n\nIt was called racist and xenophobic when Trump did it. The left are hypocritical emotional wrecks.", ">\n\nnah trump was racist or did you forget he called it the “china virus” and subsequent hate crimes increased against adians", ">\n\nLet’s not change the subject. We’re talking about testing travelers from China here. Always trying to deflect.", ">\n\nIs that what he did, though? That and nothing else? This is a Fox News headline, but I bet there's a lot more to it. There usually is.\nFYI, Italy is also requiring testing of travelers from China at this time.\nBecause of the high number of cases in China at this time.", ">\n\nSo many dumb replies here. I am sad about where humankind is at.", ">\n\nRound two people", ">\n\nWe need to ramp up testing again at border.", ">\n\nChina trying to stop Covid…lol! Fail miserably at that, build a huge infected population, then unleash it on the world. Great job China /s", ">\n\nSell then the Moderna vaccine so they can treat themselves, ans end this debacle.", ">\n\nEven if US send Moderna and Phizer vaccine, China will not use it, because they boast about \"superior\" Chinese vaccine and don't want to lose face.\n​\nUntil they change their attitude, I suggest keeping restriction in place for PRC travelers.", ">\n\nOh definitely.", ">\n\nCCP exporting covid again.", ">\n\nPaywall - can anyone help me read the article? It sounds great in theory but why wait so long? That’s how this all started in 2020. Test now!", ">\n\nChina has been in quarantine until the protests. They have a very low of vaccinated people, so now everyone's breathing on each other's necks, squeezing in tight places and now introducing another pandemic. \nI believe a combination of everyone quarantined for too long and non vaccinated people are making this a very deadly spread.", ">\n\nTheir vaccination rate is not too bad, except among the elderly. But their vaccine was shit even before all the variants.\nThey've been trying to use lockdown to prevent spread and with the new variants that just won't work.\nSo yeah, they're pretty fucked.", ">\n\nVaccination rate is good, but the rate of people who are up to date on boosters is where they fall short even beyond just the elderly. It also doesn't help that the vaccine being used is overall less effective than the ones being used elsewhere like you said. Makes those booster shots many are lacking even more critical.", ">\n\nApparently Americans only get worried when it’s Chinese people spreading Covid as opposed to their own residents, citizens and Europeans.", ">\n\nseems xenophobic /s", ">\n\noh I'm sure conservatives will be very concerned about the \"freedoms\" of those travelers from China", ">\n\nHow's this going to work for the 75% of all our manufactured goods coming in from China?", ">\n\nThank God Biden is doing this if it was Trump they call him racist .", ">\n\nTrump admin did this and it was hailed as a great idea, because it was. And is.\nWho tf cares who the man or president is when it comes to health? Why are some people like this?", ">\n\nYou know that wasnt true.", ">\n\nWhy would they make a move that would indisputably send hundreds of thousands of infected into the wider world including those that may wind up being infected with a new variant or two? \nCan we at least conclude that China does not care about this possibility? Is that verboten to say?\nCan an axiomatically correct statement still result in a ban?", ">\n\nSounds kinda racist.", ">\n\nMakes absolute sense considering what's currently going on there. Canada should do the same. I'll even go as far as say suspend visas / entry from that part of the world temporarily, until they can get it under control", ">\n\nMakes sense. China is exploding with covid and who knows if/when the next bad variant develops there.", ">\n\nLmao Reddit enjoying their shut in lives so much I’d rather jump off the tallest bridge near me before going into lockdowns again.", ">\n\nXenophobia", ">\n\nXenophobic Biden", ">\n\nPeople are acting like Covid stopped spreading in the US… The US just decided to ignore it, that is until China gained more cases, and now it’s back to fear mongering Chinese people. I see that xenophobia is still alive and well in the US.", ">\n\nMy family and I caught covid during Thanksgiving after being careful for two years. Fortunately, we're all vaccinated so the symptoms didn't hit us too hard. We just got lax with being careful, but we'll probably be wearing our masks in crowded places just to be safe.", ">\n\nI never stopped wearing masks in the US while going to stores. The reality is we have had waves of Covid here in the US, and we have had different mutations of variants too.", ">\n\nThats racist. Biden should be ashamed of himself for allowing such bigotry and hatred towards our Chinese brethren.", ">\n\nThis applies to anyone traveling from China, not just the Chinese.", ">\n\nI wouldn’t think another country was rascist if the USA had a huge surge and temporarily suspended flights to:from the USA until the numbers came down.", ">\n\nSame biological warfare when westerners were entering into China in 2022?", ">\n\n50 Cent army, out in full force!", ">\n\nWhy are we letting anyone in from China?", ">\n\nCitizens and most permanent residents cannot be refused admission.", ">\n\nOh, here we go again.", ">\n\nKind of ironic seeing how the US has worse cases lmao", ">\n\nUS will keep up the bio attacks until the world complies with their foreign policy. Which is to keep China from becoming a threat to its hegemony", ">\n\nWeird how we can’t make our own citizens mask or test but we can make sure travelers from other places do \nWild how absolutely absurd the timeline we’re living in js", ">\n\nGood. We should not allow anyone from any country the opportunity to enter our country without proof.", ">\n\nIt’s not xenophobia, it’s (D)ifferent this time. Maybe if they let trump try this in the first place", ">\n\nThis just adds fuel to racist anti-Asian sentiment in the US. What about all the people on the plane with Chinese travelers who aren't Chinese? If the situation warrants testing of anyone, it warrants testing of everyone.", ">\n\nThis is just politics. Do we really want to pretend we don’t have an overwhelming amount of COVID cases right now in America? Everyone knows most people don’t test unless they’re very sick (which is rare now) and most who even do test use at home tests and don’t report the results. Can we really just not admit to ourselves as a nation that for the overwhelming majority of people COVID no longer poses a serious threat? Hospitalization, death and long COVID are statistically insignificant for healthy vaccinated individuals at this point I don’t see why anyone can see this as anymore than political posturing.", ">\n\nWelcome to the virtue signaling zone.", ">\n\nWell ??? Why wouldn't we check considering their outbreak is significant. Seriously was this a question ?", ">\n\nChina’s authoritarian regime locked down their country for years… this contained rhe virus until mass protests as well as international condemnations. So I believe Chinese govt is teaching their citizens a lesson. Let them roam free and allow international travel into the country. Let them get severely ill and die. Then they will acknowledge and apologize to the government. This type of reverse psychology isn’t new." ]
> If only we had this kind of foresight 3 years ago… we could have avoided this whole mess.
[ "People from China will travel through Europe and come in to America from the east coast like they did when the pandemic started. This will do nothing if all travelers aboard aren’t made to test.", ">\n\nLet's hope EU and other countries do the same.", ">\n\nI don't know if they will. Australia (for example) had some of the toughest Covid policies and they've essentially just thrown them all out the window.\nSo I don't know how willing countries are to go back to being overly concerned about Covid.", ">\n\nThey should be concerned w chinese, it's spreading like wildfire in china. If we aren't careful, they will come out w covid 20.", ">\n\nIt’s spreading everywhere including the USA. This policy has nothing to do with science or medicine. It’s just politics.", ">\n\nNo. It’s circulating like mad in a population of 1 billion people who haven’t been exposed before. This is how new variants come about. Every country should require negative Covid test for china at least until it cycles through the population", ">\n\n\nNo. It’s circulating like mad in a population of 1 billion people who haven’t been exposed before.\n\nIt's also spreading like mad in all the countries of the world including the USA.\n\nThis is how new variants come about. \n\nAnd they have been for years now.\n\nEvery country should require negative Covid test for china at least until it cycles through the population\n\nOnly for political reasons. There is no scientific or rational demand for this. \nI get it, you hate china, most americans hate china so just be honest and say what you really mean.", ">\n\nStrains are spreading in the west yes, but there are new strains in China that are spreading and we don't know if our vaccines will work with those strains. We know the Chinese vaccines have a low efficacy rate and we know they are not mRNA vaccines which allow for easier adaptation to new strains. Making travelers with a Chinese passport take Covid tests at any and all airports is not racist or even unfair - a reminder that China has been relatively hard to travel to for the last 2 years because they were locked down to foreign travel as well. This is simply good policy from a public health measure, and you not wanting to see that for what it is and instead attribute it to a nascent American hatred for China is laughable. the World Health Organization estimated close to 800 million new cases in China in the next few months, with another estimate 4 million deaths and countless new strains coming out during that period. This is about protection populations, not punishing China.", ">\n\n\nStrains are spreading in the west yes, but there are new strains in China that are spreading and we don't know if our vaccines will work with those strains.\n\nYou don't know if vaccines work against any new variant even if that variant is from a country populated with white people.\n\nWe know the Chinese vaccines have a low efficacy rate and we know they are not mRNA vaccines which allow for easier adaptation to new strains. \n\nThe vaccine doesn't adapt once inside of your body you know that right?\n\nMaking travelers with a Chinese passport take Covid tests at any and all airports is not racist or even unfair \n\nit's definitely unfair and probably racist as well.\n\nhis is simply good policy from a public health measure, a\n\nA good policy would be to require vaccinations from everybody. Think about it, you are requiring a vaccine that you said doesn't even work. How much sense does that make?\n\nattribute it to a nascent American hatred for China is laughable.\n\nNascent?\n\nThis is about protection populations, not punishing China.\n\nIt's definitely about punishing china, it's a part of the current cold war with China conducted by the USA.", ">\n\n\nYou don't know if vaccines work against any new variant even if that variant is from a country populated with white people.\n\nAll the more reason to not invite more new strains into the country. White population or otherwise has nothing to do with it, expected rise in cases in China does.\n\nThe vaccine doesn't adapt once inside of your body you know that right?\n\nYou missed the point. The point i was making was that the Chinese medical system has not even approached Covid with an mRNA vaccine, and steadfastly refused to license western vaccines. If the vaccine most readily available in China has a 50% efficacy then the population is at more risk of contracting the virus and having negative results. The infection rates are increased with each new case of BA.7 (China is currently seeing each covid patient infecting on average 18 other people represented as 1:18, whereas the in US the rate is 1:3.9). Each of these factors increases the risk of developing new strains that are vaccine resistant. \n\nit's definitely unfair and probably racist as well\n\nIs it your position that nations cannot take any prescriptive action to prevent the spread of infected persons from other countries? Again i would remind you that China has basically been locked down for the last 2 years, with severe limitations to personal freedoms themselves. This is not based on race, but rather a government's inability to contain a contagious outbreak in their own country and not wanting it to spread. \n\nA good policy would be to require vaccinations from everybody. Think about it, you are requiring a vaccine that you said doesn't even work. How much sense does that make?\n\nThat might be your definition on good policy, but it isn't mine and that isn't how the west does it. \"I\" am not requiring a vaccine that \"I\" said doesn't work - that was your suggestion not mine. Also, i said the efficacy of the Chinese vaccine is 50% - based on available information - i never said it didn't work, and i never said that it should be mandatory or required.\n\nNascent?\n\nPoor and wrong word choice on my part it seems. What i meant was ascribing the US decision to require testing of Chinese travelers to racism because you believe that the US is racist is laughable. Taking a test to prove that you are covid negative is far less onerous on a traveler than most visa requirements.\n\nIt's definitely about punishing china, it's a part of the current cold war with China conducted by the USA.\n\nCite your sources. I could point to many Chinese government policies that i could say are part of the current cold war with the US without backing it up and it would be just as credible as what you said. Opinion is not a source, and not proof. You assume that the US government is racist, that this policy is racist and yet we have had travel bans imposed on other countries, as well as testing required for travelers from other countries imposed before, and other policies and so has China. For goodness sake China has been closed to foreigners for almost 3 years, and is still closed to foreign travel until January 2023. Is that a racist policy as well?", ">\n\nHere we go again.\nThis time I think I'll learn French cooking.", ">\n\n5000 People a day will have to die before Anybody says the word Lock down in the States ever again.", ">\n\nDon’t understand why people can’t handle staying at home for two weeks when it could potentially eradicate a deadly virus. Are we that weak?", ">\n\nWe did that in large part in March 2020. And did China not spend years locking down their citizens? \nPeoples savings are gone. They need to work. \nWearing a mask would do a lot to help the issue but people aren’t willing to do that anymore.", ">\n\nWe didn't do that though. We didn't all lock down when we were supposed to. Where I work I had to go in from the very start all the way through. Most people, the majority of people, didn't stay home even if they didn't have work. Most people didn't fuck with masks or keeping a distance, and even people who weren't antivaccers didn't take the vaccine seriously for the longest time. \nWe had no fucking lock down, unless you were a well-off celebrity or comedian who wanted to talk about being locked down for content. \nIf people legit locked down, they would have taken a small hit financially, but too many people didn't do shit and prolonged everything.", ">\n\nThe things is that it doesn't take long to drain peoples saving - becuase the overwhelming majority of people have practically none. \nSo an extended lockdown was never feasible unless the government was willing to pay several trillion dollars of expenses, not just 2 or 3 times but several times over.", ">\n\nI didn't dispute any of what you said. I pointed out that most people actively contested any safety measure and most people didn't actually lock down. Any extension will almost certainly be the fault of most of those people. \nI'd gladly let them all die if it meant the few people who did take things seriously didn't have to live through a Walking Dead scenario or have to take a huge financial hit because them.", ">\n\nMost people did lock down just fine initially. After a few weeks turned into a month or more, yeah people got testy.\nAdditionally, a gigantic amount of people work in critical industries and simply cant stay home. Just keeping the lights and water on requires tens of millions of workers, plus industries like plants and refineries that simply cannot shut down without massive long-term consequences.\nReddit is full of office people who can WFH, the vast majority of people cant.", ">\n\nI was one of those who couldn't stay home. Right out of the gate most people gave up on almost all of it except when they were making a show of complying when they had to. There was a lot of cheating. I walk through a lot of different areas. The waves of patients and bodies we got at work tracked with that and became predictable.", ">\n\nWhat’s that saying that ends with ”…doomed to repeat it?”", ">\n\nWhy not just require a negative test from everyone?", ">\n\nWho would you expect to pay for that?", ">\n\nGovernments or sponsors from the private sector ideally, I honestly don’t give a fuck. I’ve gotten many free tests from both and I’ve also bought some for like $8.", ">\n\n“Here we go again” from everyone in the comments. \nThe virus never stopped, we did.", ">\n\nVirus will always be there. Permanent restrictions are unsustainable", ">\n\n3 years later...\nIs this permanent?", ">\n\nI doubt there's anything that would make Republicans running in 2024 happier then Democrats advocating for a return to COVID restrictions.", ">\n\nRight? It’d be like the democrats fighting for gun control, or gay and trans rights, or safe and legal abortions. It would be political suicide to stand for something that Republicans don’t like!", ">\n\nMy understanding is that everything you listed is broadly popular or has at least a majority of American's in favor of it. A return to COVID restrictions is not in that category.", ">\n\nGun control isn’t even universally loved amongst the American left, as the hard left needs them for protection from the hard right they clash with, and the middle left does like having their guns taken as much as any middle right wing does, only mid left likes it", ">\n\nGallup has 57% of Americans feeling that in general gun laws should be more strict.", ">\n\nRegular people want kids to stop dying while in school. The problem is \"stricter laws\" is vague and no one can agree on what it means or give a serious proposal that would work, short of confiscation and bans, which are wildly unpopular.", ">\n\nVague political talking points is the best we’re going to get. Much as I’d love a Ross Perot style of breaking down every platform and promise, the general public doesn’t go for it. Buzz words are all we have the attention span for.", ">\n\nChina's COVID-19 surge raises odds of new coronavirus variants\nThings could get very ugly.", ">\n\nYou say this like covid hasn't been spreading rampantly through literally every country on the planet, mostly without any measures to stop the spread. Why does China get a different treatment and maybe countries should require tests from the US or Inida or Europe?", ">\n\nI agree. US was primarily the culprit of why COVID went rampant to begin with. We actively refused to enforce any sort of safety measures, just a mild suggestion of \"maybe wear a mask, if you want to, it's ok if you don't\" and \"we have vaccines if you want one, no pressure tho\". That was really our response to the world's deadliest pandemic.", ">\n\nWe actively made fun of zero covid approaches on reddit and now based on the comments on this thread we are suddenly pro “zero covid” approaches", ">\n\nEveryone finally watched contagion", ">\n\nSo far my 2023 bingo card is reading alooot of skull and crossbones, I think I might actually win at something next year, what does your score card look like?", ">\n\nWhen’s that $1200 going to hit my account?", ">\n\nI’m still living off mine from last time!", ">\n\nI’m still looking for mine", ">\n\nI’m waiting for that $600 bucks from Biden still, but that’s going right into my retirement!", ">\n\nYou dont get he meant to include any money you already received as well /s", ">\n\nI seem to remember campaign ads with $2000 checks.", ">\n\nYep they explicitly mentioned $2,000 checks.", ">\n\nMy comment was sarcasm but in retrospect there are so many neoliberals saying that word for word in all seriousness that I should and will add a sarcasm tag", ">\n\nThat's nice and all, but let's not act like we're not just ignoring our own COVID problems.", ">\n\n\n\"You don't have zero tolerance anymore? We can't tolerate that.\"\n\n- Country with 100% tolerance", ">\n\nWhy not require a negative COVID test from everyone entering the country? It’s like they don’t want COVID to be under control.", ">\n\nI think this is because China has a relatively low vaccination rate because they relied on lock downs. Now that lock downs are being ramped down, they are having a huge surge.", ">\n\nThe vaccination rate in China is considerably higher than the US (92% vs 81%). This is just another example of yellow peril", ">\n\nThank you for pointing this out. What I said above was wrong about the vaccination rate. I don’t know why exactly China is having a surge. 🤷‍♂️", ">\n\nTheir vaccination rate is high but their vaccine, SinoVac is based on old tech. It conveys effectively zero protection from variants when compared to all the other types of vaccines on the market.", ">\n\nYou guys are so full of shit. At 3 doses Sinovac gives the same protection as any western vaccine with boosters to help mitigate mutated variants. Stop spreading misinfo.", ">\n\n\"Does that thumbnail of someone getting tested read too much like 'screaming uselessly into the void'?\"\n\"I'm sure it'll be fine.\"", ">\n\nMaybe, just maybe they shouldnt have stopped testing airplane passengers in the first place... \nWe have cheap, readily available tests that take 10 minutes to complete. There’s really no reason not to test ever passenger before boarding...", ">\n\nEveryone I know who had Omicron tested negative until their symptoms cleared. It was evading the RATs, for some reason.", ">\n\nI tested positive on a rapid test two days after getting congested. Every teacher coworker of mine who bothered to test after getting cold symptoms also did. I think it's why so few parents now test their kids before sending time to school sick. They don't want to know so we all find out when we or our family members then test positive, missing work on their sick kids' behalf so they didn't have to. \nI have also heard the rapid test can give false negatives but anecdotal references don't mean much.", ">\n\nA day late and a dollar short. Same old song and dance.", ">\n\nWow, it’s like history literally repeating itself.", ">\n\nIndeed it is. I hope everyone is prepared for what’s next.", ">\n\nWe should require negative COVID tests for people to fly within the US, too.\nIt makes no difference to me if the person who infects me at LAX is coming in from China, or from Texas.", ">\n\nThere is a high chance anyone that comes from China has Covid right now. Low chance that someone inside America has.", ">\n\nNaw. China’s percent is much higher, sure, but it’s not like US infection rates are low. You can pretty much guarantee an infected American on every sold out domestic flight. The latest variants are super, super contagious, and it only takes one infected person to pose a serious risk to the other people sharing their space, and then all of their families and friends after they land. All flights should still require testing and masking at this point, or all we’ve really accomplished is pacifying the dimwits and xenophobes.\nI know at least 3 people who 100% contracted COVID while flying domestically in the US this last month - because they were isolated for the incubation period beforehand. They were masked the entire time they were in the airport and on the plane.", ">\n\nIf they were masked up and I assume vaccinated and still caught the virus then preventable measures like these aren’t that effective.", ">\n\nIs there a new strain of Covid that isn't in the U.S yet, otherwise what's the point.", ">\n\nUm testing should not ever stop.", ">\n\nAh shit here we go again", ">\n\n\"Who left the fridge open?\"", ">\n\nIt's \"just a cold\" unless it's a non-white person from another country carrying it.\n/s", ">\n\nChina implemented an ineffective vaccine and had 30m+ cases in one day. It’s specifically that gov. refusing to use effective vaccines", ">\n\nAnd the United States had effective vaccines that half the country is not willing to nor willing to wear masks, while complaining to other countries like China about their travel restrictions (from China and Hong Kong). And honestly I’m not oppose to a tighter restriction on China while they are experiencing a surge in new cases just as it did with any other countries that initially loosen covid restrictions, what makes me question this being race or politically motivated is the hypocrisy; people complained about China being oppressive when it was enforcing all the covid restrictions and when they loosen it “China doesn’t care about human lives”.\nSo what exactly do you want them to do?", ">\n\n\nto Require Negative Covid Tests for Travelers From China\n\nLuckily China is well known for its systemic unwillingness to fake or counterfeit things, so everything should be fine.\nhonest.", ">\n\nSeems purely retaliatory with no actual effectiveness.\nEnforcement is over a week away and presumably China has hit its peak already (flights being 40% positive)", ">\n\nThe rich rats are going to buy fake tests and jump ship breaking quarantine just like they did in the first wave. Cutting flights or enforcing quarantines is the only way to prevent this stuff from jumping oceans but god forbid anybody inhibit the jet setters.", ">\n\nHALF of the passengers on a plane from China going to Italy tested positive the other day (tested on arrival). Chances are most if not all of them had negative test results they could show that they took before they left. This won't do anything to stop people coming into the US while positive..we are going to have to go through this all over again and we won't have the same somewhat cooperative response in the US this time if it is a variant that evades immunity... It will get REALLY bad.", ">\n\nSeriously they know red states will just let them in and will never do another shut down again. So start dealt with out break countries this way to slow it down or corner it. But I see very very bad days ahead for China and Russia is starting to report out breaks too.", ">\n\nMust. When?", ">\n\nWe already require this from canada iirc\nEdit: i was wrong, canada requires it from us.", ">\n\nI hope we are talking PCR tests... those store-bought 15-minute ones struggle to get a positive if you have any sort of vaccination, even while symptomatic and miserable.", ">\n\nWell, a little bit of good news. I'll take it.", ">\n\nTravel should have been 100$ restricted a long time ago. Travel should be restricted to any country experiencing a COVID outbreak.", ">\n\nWonderful. Another round of Asian hating.", ">\n\nWho's hating on Asians? We're trying to stop this virus from killing people.", ">\n\nor… ban flights from china??", ">\n\nDoesn’t make sense in singling out China when covid is widespread in every single country", ">\n\nThe extent of covid in china atm is just absurd. Two weeks ago, they had 37 MILLION cases in one day. Think about that. Thats more people than a lot of countries! \nsource", ">\n\nI wonder why China has so much trouble with COVID compared to other countries, despite being so strict.", ">\n\nIt’s because they had the zero covid approaches that people are advocating for in this thread and they suddenly reversed course. Everyone in China is getting it so fast its likely the same variants quickly spreading in a population that suddenly reversed course. Having many people getting it over time and exposed to new generations of the virus (which is what happens over time) is more insidious but people here think thats fine", ">\n\nEveryone saying this is racist, do not pay attention to the world", ">\n\nIt was called racist and xenophobic when Trump did it. The left are hypocritical emotional wrecks.", ">\n\nnah trump was racist or did you forget he called it the “china virus” and subsequent hate crimes increased against adians", ">\n\nLet’s not change the subject. We’re talking about testing travelers from China here. Always trying to deflect.", ">\n\nIs that what he did, though? That and nothing else? This is a Fox News headline, but I bet there's a lot more to it. There usually is.\nFYI, Italy is also requiring testing of travelers from China at this time.\nBecause of the high number of cases in China at this time.", ">\n\nSo many dumb replies here. I am sad about where humankind is at.", ">\n\nRound two people", ">\n\nWe need to ramp up testing again at border.", ">\n\nChina trying to stop Covid…lol! Fail miserably at that, build a huge infected population, then unleash it on the world. Great job China /s", ">\n\nSell then the Moderna vaccine so they can treat themselves, ans end this debacle.", ">\n\nEven if US send Moderna and Phizer vaccine, China will not use it, because they boast about \"superior\" Chinese vaccine and don't want to lose face.\n​\nUntil they change their attitude, I suggest keeping restriction in place for PRC travelers.", ">\n\nOh definitely.", ">\n\nCCP exporting covid again.", ">\n\nPaywall - can anyone help me read the article? It sounds great in theory but why wait so long? That’s how this all started in 2020. Test now!", ">\n\nChina has been in quarantine until the protests. They have a very low of vaccinated people, so now everyone's breathing on each other's necks, squeezing in tight places and now introducing another pandemic. \nI believe a combination of everyone quarantined for too long and non vaccinated people are making this a very deadly spread.", ">\n\nTheir vaccination rate is not too bad, except among the elderly. But their vaccine was shit even before all the variants.\nThey've been trying to use lockdown to prevent spread and with the new variants that just won't work.\nSo yeah, they're pretty fucked.", ">\n\nVaccination rate is good, but the rate of people who are up to date on boosters is where they fall short even beyond just the elderly. It also doesn't help that the vaccine being used is overall less effective than the ones being used elsewhere like you said. Makes those booster shots many are lacking even more critical.", ">\n\nApparently Americans only get worried when it’s Chinese people spreading Covid as opposed to their own residents, citizens and Europeans.", ">\n\nseems xenophobic /s", ">\n\noh I'm sure conservatives will be very concerned about the \"freedoms\" of those travelers from China", ">\n\nHow's this going to work for the 75% of all our manufactured goods coming in from China?", ">\n\nThank God Biden is doing this if it was Trump they call him racist .", ">\n\nTrump admin did this and it was hailed as a great idea, because it was. And is.\nWho tf cares who the man or president is when it comes to health? Why are some people like this?", ">\n\nYou know that wasnt true.", ">\n\nWhy would they make a move that would indisputably send hundreds of thousands of infected into the wider world including those that may wind up being infected with a new variant or two? \nCan we at least conclude that China does not care about this possibility? Is that verboten to say?\nCan an axiomatically correct statement still result in a ban?", ">\n\nSounds kinda racist.", ">\n\nMakes absolute sense considering what's currently going on there. Canada should do the same. I'll even go as far as say suspend visas / entry from that part of the world temporarily, until they can get it under control", ">\n\nMakes sense. China is exploding with covid and who knows if/when the next bad variant develops there.", ">\n\nLmao Reddit enjoying their shut in lives so much I’d rather jump off the tallest bridge near me before going into lockdowns again.", ">\n\nXenophobia", ">\n\nXenophobic Biden", ">\n\nPeople are acting like Covid stopped spreading in the US… The US just decided to ignore it, that is until China gained more cases, and now it’s back to fear mongering Chinese people. I see that xenophobia is still alive and well in the US.", ">\n\nMy family and I caught covid during Thanksgiving after being careful for two years. Fortunately, we're all vaccinated so the symptoms didn't hit us too hard. We just got lax with being careful, but we'll probably be wearing our masks in crowded places just to be safe.", ">\n\nI never stopped wearing masks in the US while going to stores. The reality is we have had waves of Covid here in the US, and we have had different mutations of variants too.", ">\n\nThats racist. Biden should be ashamed of himself for allowing such bigotry and hatred towards our Chinese brethren.", ">\n\nThis applies to anyone traveling from China, not just the Chinese.", ">\n\nI wouldn’t think another country was rascist if the USA had a huge surge and temporarily suspended flights to:from the USA until the numbers came down.", ">\n\nSame biological warfare when westerners were entering into China in 2022?", ">\n\n50 Cent army, out in full force!", ">\n\nWhy are we letting anyone in from China?", ">\n\nCitizens and most permanent residents cannot be refused admission.", ">\n\nOh, here we go again.", ">\n\nKind of ironic seeing how the US has worse cases lmao", ">\n\nUS will keep up the bio attacks until the world complies with their foreign policy. Which is to keep China from becoming a threat to its hegemony", ">\n\nWeird how we can’t make our own citizens mask or test but we can make sure travelers from other places do \nWild how absolutely absurd the timeline we’re living in js", ">\n\nGood. We should not allow anyone from any country the opportunity to enter our country without proof.", ">\n\nIt’s not xenophobia, it’s (D)ifferent this time. Maybe if they let trump try this in the first place", ">\n\nThis just adds fuel to racist anti-Asian sentiment in the US. What about all the people on the plane with Chinese travelers who aren't Chinese? If the situation warrants testing of anyone, it warrants testing of everyone.", ">\n\nThis is just politics. Do we really want to pretend we don’t have an overwhelming amount of COVID cases right now in America? Everyone knows most people don’t test unless they’re very sick (which is rare now) and most who even do test use at home tests and don’t report the results. Can we really just not admit to ourselves as a nation that for the overwhelming majority of people COVID no longer poses a serious threat? Hospitalization, death and long COVID are statistically insignificant for healthy vaccinated individuals at this point I don’t see why anyone can see this as anymore than political posturing.", ">\n\nWelcome to the virtue signaling zone.", ">\n\nWell ??? Why wouldn't we check considering their outbreak is significant. Seriously was this a question ?", ">\n\nChina’s authoritarian regime locked down their country for years… this contained rhe virus until mass protests as well as international condemnations. So I believe Chinese govt is teaching their citizens a lesson. Let them roam free and allow international travel into the country. Let them get severely ill and die. Then they will acknowledge and apologize to the government. This type of reverse psychology isn’t new.", ">\n\nWe the People require a vigilant health care approach to our borders at the expense of [Pure Greed] from those who capitalize on what ails us\nWe the People demand all institutions do a readiness check \nAt which time We the People can demand a Meeting of the Continental Congress to address the state of our union, to reboot the principles and powers of the American Constitution and Bill of Rights, to re instate the neutral balance of power in the houses and senate of all levels of our current government[ one party control is not the operation of the United States of America 🇺🇸]" ]
> And Trump was called xenophobic when we asked for the same thing
[ "People from China will travel through Europe and come in to America from the east coast like they did when the pandemic started. This will do nothing if all travelers aboard aren’t made to test.", ">\n\nLet's hope EU and other countries do the same.", ">\n\nI don't know if they will. Australia (for example) had some of the toughest Covid policies and they've essentially just thrown them all out the window.\nSo I don't know how willing countries are to go back to being overly concerned about Covid.", ">\n\nThey should be concerned w chinese, it's spreading like wildfire in china. If we aren't careful, they will come out w covid 20.", ">\n\nIt’s spreading everywhere including the USA. This policy has nothing to do with science or medicine. It’s just politics.", ">\n\nNo. It’s circulating like mad in a population of 1 billion people who haven’t been exposed before. This is how new variants come about. Every country should require negative Covid test for china at least until it cycles through the population", ">\n\n\nNo. It’s circulating like mad in a population of 1 billion people who haven’t been exposed before.\n\nIt's also spreading like mad in all the countries of the world including the USA.\n\nThis is how new variants come about. \n\nAnd they have been for years now.\n\nEvery country should require negative Covid test for china at least until it cycles through the population\n\nOnly for political reasons. There is no scientific or rational demand for this. \nI get it, you hate china, most americans hate china so just be honest and say what you really mean.", ">\n\nStrains are spreading in the west yes, but there are new strains in China that are spreading and we don't know if our vaccines will work with those strains. We know the Chinese vaccines have a low efficacy rate and we know they are not mRNA vaccines which allow for easier adaptation to new strains. Making travelers with a Chinese passport take Covid tests at any and all airports is not racist or even unfair - a reminder that China has been relatively hard to travel to for the last 2 years because they were locked down to foreign travel as well. This is simply good policy from a public health measure, and you not wanting to see that for what it is and instead attribute it to a nascent American hatred for China is laughable. the World Health Organization estimated close to 800 million new cases in China in the next few months, with another estimate 4 million deaths and countless new strains coming out during that period. This is about protection populations, not punishing China.", ">\n\n\nStrains are spreading in the west yes, but there are new strains in China that are spreading and we don't know if our vaccines will work with those strains.\n\nYou don't know if vaccines work against any new variant even if that variant is from a country populated with white people.\n\nWe know the Chinese vaccines have a low efficacy rate and we know they are not mRNA vaccines which allow for easier adaptation to new strains. \n\nThe vaccine doesn't adapt once inside of your body you know that right?\n\nMaking travelers with a Chinese passport take Covid tests at any and all airports is not racist or even unfair \n\nit's definitely unfair and probably racist as well.\n\nhis is simply good policy from a public health measure, a\n\nA good policy would be to require vaccinations from everybody. Think about it, you are requiring a vaccine that you said doesn't even work. How much sense does that make?\n\nattribute it to a nascent American hatred for China is laughable.\n\nNascent?\n\nThis is about protection populations, not punishing China.\n\nIt's definitely about punishing china, it's a part of the current cold war with China conducted by the USA.", ">\n\n\nYou don't know if vaccines work against any new variant even if that variant is from a country populated with white people.\n\nAll the more reason to not invite more new strains into the country. White population or otherwise has nothing to do with it, expected rise in cases in China does.\n\nThe vaccine doesn't adapt once inside of your body you know that right?\n\nYou missed the point. The point i was making was that the Chinese medical system has not even approached Covid with an mRNA vaccine, and steadfastly refused to license western vaccines. If the vaccine most readily available in China has a 50% efficacy then the population is at more risk of contracting the virus and having negative results. The infection rates are increased with each new case of BA.7 (China is currently seeing each covid patient infecting on average 18 other people represented as 1:18, whereas the in US the rate is 1:3.9). Each of these factors increases the risk of developing new strains that are vaccine resistant. \n\nit's definitely unfair and probably racist as well\n\nIs it your position that nations cannot take any prescriptive action to prevent the spread of infected persons from other countries? Again i would remind you that China has basically been locked down for the last 2 years, with severe limitations to personal freedoms themselves. This is not based on race, but rather a government's inability to contain a contagious outbreak in their own country and not wanting it to spread. \n\nA good policy would be to require vaccinations from everybody. Think about it, you are requiring a vaccine that you said doesn't even work. How much sense does that make?\n\nThat might be your definition on good policy, but it isn't mine and that isn't how the west does it. \"I\" am not requiring a vaccine that \"I\" said doesn't work - that was your suggestion not mine. Also, i said the efficacy of the Chinese vaccine is 50% - based on available information - i never said it didn't work, and i never said that it should be mandatory or required.\n\nNascent?\n\nPoor and wrong word choice on my part it seems. What i meant was ascribing the US decision to require testing of Chinese travelers to racism because you believe that the US is racist is laughable. Taking a test to prove that you are covid negative is far less onerous on a traveler than most visa requirements.\n\nIt's definitely about punishing china, it's a part of the current cold war with China conducted by the USA.\n\nCite your sources. I could point to many Chinese government policies that i could say are part of the current cold war with the US without backing it up and it would be just as credible as what you said. Opinion is not a source, and not proof. You assume that the US government is racist, that this policy is racist and yet we have had travel bans imposed on other countries, as well as testing required for travelers from other countries imposed before, and other policies and so has China. For goodness sake China has been closed to foreigners for almost 3 years, and is still closed to foreign travel until January 2023. Is that a racist policy as well?", ">\n\nHere we go again.\nThis time I think I'll learn French cooking.", ">\n\n5000 People a day will have to die before Anybody says the word Lock down in the States ever again.", ">\n\nDon’t understand why people can’t handle staying at home for two weeks when it could potentially eradicate a deadly virus. Are we that weak?", ">\n\nWe did that in large part in March 2020. And did China not spend years locking down their citizens? \nPeoples savings are gone. They need to work. \nWearing a mask would do a lot to help the issue but people aren’t willing to do that anymore.", ">\n\nWe didn't do that though. We didn't all lock down when we were supposed to. Where I work I had to go in from the very start all the way through. Most people, the majority of people, didn't stay home even if they didn't have work. Most people didn't fuck with masks or keeping a distance, and even people who weren't antivaccers didn't take the vaccine seriously for the longest time. \nWe had no fucking lock down, unless you were a well-off celebrity or comedian who wanted to talk about being locked down for content. \nIf people legit locked down, they would have taken a small hit financially, but too many people didn't do shit and prolonged everything.", ">\n\nThe things is that it doesn't take long to drain peoples saving - becuase the overwhelming majority of people have practically none. \nSo an extended lockdown was never feasible unless the government was willing to pay several trillion dollars of expenses, not just 2 or 3 times but several times over.", ">\n\nI didn't dispute any of what you said. I pointed out that most people actively contested any safety measure and most people didn't actually lock down. Any extension will almost certainly be the fault of most of those people. \nI'd gladly let them all die if it meant the few people who did take things seriously didn't have to live through a Walking Dead scenario or have to take a huge financial hit because them.", ">\n\nMost people did lock down just fine initially. After a few weeks turned into a month or more, yeah people got testy.\nAdditionally, a gigantic amount of people work in critical industries and simply cant stay home. Just keeping the lights and water on requires tens of millions of workers, plus industries like plants and refineries that simply cannot shut down without massive long-term consequences.\nReddit is full of office people who can WFH, the vast majority of people cant.", ">\n\nI was one of those who couldn't stay home. Right out of the gate most people gave up on almost all of it except when they were making a show of complying when they had to. There was a lot of cheating. I walk through a lot of different areas. The waves of patients and bodies we got at work tracked with that and became predictable.", ">\n\nWhat’s that saying that ends with ”…doomed to repeat it?”", ">\n\nWhy not just require a negative test from everyone?", ">\n\nWho would you expect to pay for that?", ">\n\nGovernments or sponsors from the private sector ideally, I honestly don’t give a fuck. I’ve gotten many free tests from both and I’ve also bought some for like $8.", ">\n\n“Here we go again” from everyone in the comments. \nThe virus never stopped, we did.", ">\n\nVirus will always be there. Permanent restrictions are unsustainable", ">\n\n3 years later...\nIs this permanent?", ">\n\nI doubt there's anything that would make Republicans running in 2024 happier then Democrats advocating for a return to COVID restrictions.", ">\n\nRight? It’d be like the democrats fighting for gun control, or gay and trans rights, or safe and legal abortions. It would be political suicide to stand for something that Republicans don’t like!", ">\n\nMy understanding is that everything you listed is broadly popular or has at least a majority of American's in favor of it. A return to COVID restrictions is not in that category.", ">\n\nGun control isn’t even universally loved amongst the American left, as the hard left needs them for protection from the hard right they clash with, and the middle left does like having their guns taken as much as any middle right wing does, only mid left likes it", ">\n\nGallup has 57% of Americans feeling that in general gun laws should be more strict.", ">\n\nRegular people want kids to stop dying while in school. The problem is \"stricter laws\" is vague and no one can agree on what it means or give a serious proposal that would work, short of confiscation and bans, which are wildly unpopular.", ">\n\nVague political talking points is the best we’re going to get. Much as I’d love a Ross Perot style of breaking down every platform and promise, the general public doesn’t go for it. Buzz words are all we have the attention span for.", ">\n\nChina's COVID-19 surge raises odds of new coronavirus variants\nThings could get very ugly.", ">\n\nYou say this like covid hasn't been spreading rampantly through literally every country on the planet, mostly without any measures to stop the spread. Why does China get a different treatment and maybe countries should require tests from the US or Inida or Europe?", ">\n\nI agree. US was primarily the culprit of why COVID went rampant to begin with. We actively refused to enforce any sort of safety measures, just a mild suggestion of \"maybe wear a mask, if you want to, it's ok if you don't\" and \"we have vaccines if you want one, no pressure tho\". That was really our response to the world's deadliest pandemic.", ">\n\nWe actively made fun of zero covid approaches on reddit and now based on the comments on this thread we are suddenly pro “zero covid” approaches", ">\n\nEveryone finally watched contagion", ">\n\nSo far my 2023 bingo card is reading alooot of skull and crossbones, I think I might actually win at something next year, what does your score card look like?", ">\n\nWhen’s that $1200 going to hit my account?", ">\n\nI’m still living off mine from last time!", ">\n\nI’m still looking for mine", ">\n\nI’m waiting for that $600 bucks from Biden still, but that’s going right into my retirement!", ">\n\nYou dont get he meant to include any money you already received as well /s", ">\n\nI seem to remember campaign ads with $2000 checks.", ">\n\nYep they explicitly mentioned $2,000 checks.", ">\n\nMy comment was sarcasm but in retrospect there are so many neoliberals saying that word for word in all seriousness that I should and will add a sarcasm tag", ">\n\nThat's nice and all, but let's not act like we're not just ignoring our own COVID problems.", ">\n\n\n\"You don't have zero tolerance anymore? We can't tolerate that.\"\n\n- Country with 100% tolerance", ">\n\nWhy not require a negative COVID test from everyone entering the country? It’s like they don’t want COVID to be under control.", ">\n\nI think this is because China has a relatively low vaccination rate because they relied on lock downs. Now that lock downs are being ramped down, they are having a huge surge.", ">\n\nThe vaccination rate in China is considerably higher than the US (92% vs 81%). This is just another example of yellow peril", ">\n\nThank you for pointing this out. What I said above was wrong about the vaccination rate. I don’t know why exactly China is having a surge. 🤷‍♂️", ">\n\nTheir vaccination rate is high but their vaccine, SinoVac is based on old tech. It conveys effectively zero protection from variants when compared to all the other types of vaccines on the market.", ">\n\nYou guys are so full of shit. At 3 doses Sinovac gives the same protection as any western vaccine with boosters to help mitigate mutated variants. Stop spreading misinfo.", ">\n\n\"Does that thumbnail of someone getting tested read too much like 'screaming uselessly into the void'?\"\n\"I'm sure it'll be fine.\"", ">\n\nMaybe, just maybe they shouldnt have stopped testing airplane passengers in the first place... \nWe have cheap, readily available tests that take 10 minutes to complete. There’s really no reason not to test ever passenger before boarding...", ">\n\nEveryone I know who had Omicron tested negative until their symptoms cleared. It was evading the RATs, for some reason.", ">\n\nI tested positive on a rapid test two days after getting congested. Every teacher coworker of mine who bothered to test after getting cold symptoms also did. I think it's why so few parents now test their kids before sending time to school sick. They don't want to know so we all find out when we or our family members then test positive, missing work on their sick kids' behalf so they didn't have to. \nI have also heard the rapid test can give false negatives but anecdotal references don't mean much.", ">\n\nA day late and a dollar short. Same old song and dance.", ">\n\nWow, it’s like history literally repeating itself.", ">\n\nIndeed it is. I hope everyone is prepared for what’s next.", ">\n\nWe should require negative COVID tests for people to fly within the US, too.\nIt makes no difference to me if the person who infects me at LAX is coming in from China, or from Texas.", ">\n\nThere is a high chance anyone that comes from China has Covid right now. Low chance that someone inside America has.", ">\n\nNaw. China’s percent is much higher, sure, but it’s not like US infection rates are low. You can pretty much guarantee an infected American on every sold out domestic flight. The latest variants are super, super contagious, and it only takes one infected person to pose a serious risk to the other people sharing their space, and then all of their families and friends after they land. All flights should still require testing and masking at this point, or all we’ve really accomplished is pacifying the dimwits and xenophobes.\nI know at least 3 people who 100% contracted COVID while flying domestically in the US this last month - because they were isolated for the incubation period beforehand. They were masked the entire time they were in the airport and on the plane.", ">\n\nIf they were masked up and I assume vaccinated and still caught the virus then preventable measures like these aren’t that effective.", ">\n\nIs there a new strain of Covid that isn't in the U.S yet, otherwise what's the point.", ">\n\nUm testing should not ever stop.", ">\n\nAh shit here we go again", ">\n\n\"Who left the fridge open?\"", ">\n\nIt's \"just a cold\" unless it's a non-white person from another country carrying it.\n/s", ">\n\nChina implemented an ineffective vaccine and had 30m+ cases in one day. It’s specifically that gov. refusing to use effective vaccines", ">\n\nAnd the United States had effective vaccines that half the country is not willing to nor willing to wear masks, while complaining to other countries like China about their travel restrictions (from China and Hong Kong). And honestly I’m not oppose to a tighter restriction on China while they are experiencing a surge in new cases just as it did with any other countries that initially loosen covid restrictions, what makes me question this being race or politically motivated is the hypocrisy; people complained about China being oppressive when it was enforcing all the covid restrictions and when they loosen it “China doesn’t care about human lives”.\nSo what exactly do you want them to do?", ">\n\n\nto Require Negative Covid Tests for Travelers From China\n\nLuckily China is well known for its systemic unwillingness to fake or counterfeit things, so everything should be fine.\nhonest.", ">\n\nSeems purely retaliatory with no actual effectiveness.\nEnforcement is over a week away and presumably China has hit its peak already (flights being 40% positive)", ">\n\nThe rich rats are going to buy fake tests and jump ship breaking quarantine just like they did in the first wave. Cutting flights or enforcing quarantines is the only way to prevent this stuff from jumping oceans but god forbid anybody inhibit the jet setters.", ">\n\nHALF of the passengers on a plane from China going to Italy tested positive the other day (tested on arrival). Chances are most if not all of them had negative test results they could show that they took before they left. This won't do anything to stop people coming into the US while positive..we are going to have to go through this all over again and we won't have the same somewhat cooperative response in the US this time if it is a variant that evades immunity... It will get REALLY bad.", ">\n\nSeriously they know red states will just let them in and will never do another shut down again. So start dealt with out break countries this way to slow it down or corner it. But I see very very bad days ahead for China and Russia is starting to report out breaks too.", ">\n\nMust. When?", ">\n\nWe already require this from canada iirc\nEdit: i was wrong, canada requires it from us.", ">\n\nI hope we are talking PCR tests... those store-bought 15-minute ones struggle to get a positive if you have any sort of vaccination, even while symptomatic and miserable.", ">\n\nWell, a little bit of good news. I'll take it.", ">\n\nTravel should have been 100$ restricted a long time ago. Travel should be restricted to any country experiencing a COVID outbreak.", ">\n\nWonderful. Another round of Asian hating.", ">\n\nWho's hating on Asians? We're trying to stop this virus from killing people.", ">\n\nor… ban flights from china??", ">\n\nDoesn’t make sense in singling out China when covid is widespread in every single country", ">\n\nThe extent of covid in china atm is just absurd. Two weeks ago, they had 37 MILLION cases in one day. Think about that. Thats more people than a lot of countries! \nsource", ">\n\nI wonder why China has so much trouble with COVID compared to other countries, despite being so strict.", ">\n\nIt’s because they had the zero covid approaches that people are advocating for in this thread and they suddenly reversed course. Everyone in China is getting it so fast its likely the same variants quickly spreading in a population that suddenly reversed course. Having many people getting it over time and exposed to new generations of the virus (which is what happens over time) is more insidious but people here think thats fine", ">\n\nEveryone saying this is racist, do not pay attention to the world", ">\n\nIt was called racist and xenophobic when Trump did it. The left are hypocritical emotional wrecks.", ">\n\nnah trump was racist or did you forget he called it the “china virus” and subsequent hate crimes increased against adians", ">\n\nLet’s not change the subject. We’re talking about testing travelers from China here. Always trying to deflect.", ">\n\nIs that what he did, though? That and nothing else? This is a Fox News headline, but I bet there's a lot more to it. There usually is.\nFYI, Italy is also requiring testing of travelers from China at this time.\nBecause of the high number of cases in China at this time.", ">\n\nSo many dumb replies here. I am sad about where humankind is at.", ">\n\nRound two people", ">\n\nWe need to ramp up testing again at border.", ">\n\nChina trying to stop Covid…lol! Fail miserably at that, build a huge infected population, then unleash it on the world. Great job China /s", ">\n\nSell then the Moderna vaccine so they can treat themselves, ans end this debacle.", ">\n\nEven if US send Moderna and Phizer vaccine, China will not use it, because they boast about \"superior\" Chinese vaccine and don't want to lose face.\n​\nUntil they change their attitude, I suggest keeping restriction in place for PRC travelers.", ">\n\nOh definitely.", ">\n\nCCP exporting covid again.", ">\n\nPaywall - can anyone help me read the article? It sounds great in theory but why wait so long? That’s how this all started in 2020. Test now!", ">\n\nChina has been in quarantine until the protests. They have a very low of vaccinated people, so now everyone's breathing on each other's necks, squeezing in tight places and now introducing another pandemic. \nI believe a combination of everyone quarantined for too long and non vaccinated people are making this a very deadly spread.", ">\n\nTheir vaccination rate is not too bad, except among the elderly. But their vaccine was shit even before all the variants.\nThey've been trying to use lockdown to prevent spread and with the new variants that just won't work.\nSo yeah, they're pretty fucked.", ">\n\nVaccination rate is good, but the rate of people who are up to date on boosters is where they fall short even beyond just the elderly. It also doesn't help that the vaccine being used is overall less effective than the ones being used elsewhere like you said. Makes those booster shots many are lacking even more critical.", ">\n\nApparently Americans only get worried when it’s Chinese people spreading Covid as opposed to their own residents, citizens and Europeans.", ">\n\nseems xenophobic /s", ">\n\noh I'm sure conservatives will be very concerned about the \"freedoms\" of those travelers from China", ">\n\nHow's this going to work for the 75% of all our manufactured goods coming in from China?", ">\n\nThank God Biden is doing this if it was Trump they call him racist .", ">\n\nTrump admin did this and it was hailed as a great idea, because it was. And is.\nWho tf cares who the man or president is when it comes to health? Why are some people like this?", ">\n\nYou know that wasnt true.", ">\n\nWhy would they make a move that would indisputably send hundreds of thousands of infected into the wider world including those that may wind up being infected with a new variant or two? \nCan we at least conclude that China does not care about this possibility? Is that verboten to say?\nCan an axiomatically correct statement still result in a ban?", ">\n\nSounds kinda racist.", ">\n\nMakes absolute sense considering what's currently going on there. Canada should do the same. I'll even go as far as say suspend visas / entry from that part of the world temporarily, until they can get it under control", ">\n\nMakes sense. China is exploding with covid and who knows if/when the next bad variant develops there.", ">\n\nLmao Reddit enjoying their shut in lives so much I’d rather jump off the tallest bridge near me before going into lockdowns again.", ">\n\nXenophobia", ">\n\nXenophobic Biden", ">\n\nPeople are acting like Covid stopped spreading in the US… The US just decided to ignore it, that is until China gained more cases, and now it’s back to fear mongering Chinese people. I see that xenophobia is still alive and well in the US.", ">\n\nMy family and I caught covid during Thanksgiving after being careful for two years. Fortunately, we're all vaccinated so the symptoms didn't hit us too hard. We just got lax with being careful, but we'll probably be wearing our masks in crowded places just to be safe.", ">\n\nI never stopped wearing masks in the US while going to stores. The reality is we have had waves of Covid here in the US, and we have had different mutations of variants too.", ">\n\nThats racist. Biden should be ashamed of himself for allowing such bigotry and hatred towards our Chinese brethren.", ">\n\nThis applies to anyone traveling from China, not just the Chinese.", ">\n\nI wouldn’t think another country was rascist if the USA had a huge surge and temporarily suspended flights to:from the USA until the numbers came down.", ">\n\nSame biological warfare when westerners were entering into China in 2022?", ">\n\n50 Cent army, out in full force!", ">\n\nWhy are we letting anyone in from China?", ">\n\nCitizens and most permanent residents cannot be refused admission.", ">\n\nOh, here we go again.", ">\n\nKind of ironic seeing how the US has worse cases lmao", ">\n\nUS will keep up the bio attacks until the world complies with their foreign policy. Which is to keep China from becoming a threat to its hegemony", ">\n\nWeird how we can’t make our own citizens mask or test but we can make sure travelers from other places do \nWild how absolutely absurd the timeline we’re living in js", ">\n\nGood. We should not allow anyone from any country the opportunity to enter our country without proof.", ">\n\nIt’s not xenophobia, it’s (D)ifferent this time. Maybe if they let trump try this in the first place", ">\n\nThis just adds fuel to racist anti-Asian sentiment in the US. What about all the people on the plane with Chinese travelers who aren't Chinese? If the situation warrants testing of anyone, it warrants testing of everyone.", ">\n\nThis is just politics. Do we really want to pretend we don’t have an overwhelming amount of COVID cases right now in America? Everyone knows most people don’t test unless they’re very sick (which is rare now) and most who even do test use at home tests and don’t report the results. Can we really just not admit to ourselves as a nation that for the overwhelming majority of people COVID no longer poses a serious threat? Hospitalization, death and long COVID are statistically insignificant for healthy vaccinated individuals at this point I don’t see why anyone can see this as anymore than political posturing.", ">\n\nWelcome to the virtue signaling zone.", ">\n\nWell ??? Why wouldn't we check considering their outbreak is significant. Seriously was this a question ?", ">\n\nChina’s authoritarian regime locked down their country for years… this contained rhe virus until mass protests as well as international condemnations. So I believe Chinese govt is teaching their citizens a lesson. Let them roam free and allow international travel into the country. Let them get severely ill and die. Then they will acknowledge and apologize to the government. This type of reverse psychology isn’t new.", ">\n\nWe the People require a vigilant health care approach to our borders at the expense of [Pure Greed] from those who capitalize on what ails us\nWe the People demand all institutions do a readiness check \nAt which time We the People can demand a Meeting of the Continental Congress to address the state of our union, to reboot the principles and powers of the American Constitution and Bill of Rights, to re instate the neutral balance of power in the houses and senate of all levels of our current government[ one party control is not the operation of the United States of America 🇺🇸]", ">\n\nIf only we had this kind of foresight 3 years ago… we could have avoided this whole mess." ]
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[ "People from China will travel through Europe and come in to America from the east coast like they did when the pandemic started. This will do nothing if all travelers aboard aren’t made to test.", ">\n\nLet's hope EU and other countries do the same.", ">\n\nI don't know if they will. Australia (for example) had some of the toughest Covid policies and they've essentially just thrown them all out the window.\nSo I don't know how willing countries are to go back to being overly concerned about Covid.", ">\n\nThey should be concerned w chinese, it's spreading like wildfire in china. If we aren't careful, they will come out w covid 20.", ">\n\nIt’s spreading everywhere including the USA. This policy has nothing to do with science or medicine. It’s just politics.", ">\n\nNo. It’s circulating like mad in a population of 1 billion people who haven’t been exposed before. This is how new variants come about. Every country should require negative Covid test for china at least until it cycles through the population", ">\n\n\nNo. It’s circulating like mad in a population of 1 billion people who haven’t been exposed before.\n\nIt's also spreading like mad in all the countries of the world including the USA.\n\nThis is how new variants come about. \n\nAnd they have been for years now.\n\nEvery country should require negative Covid test for china at least until it cycles through the population\n\nOnly for political reasons. There is no scientific or rational demand for this. \nI get it, you hate china, most americans hate china so just be honest and say what you really mean.", ">\n\nStrains are spreading in the west yes, but there are new strains in China that are spreading and we don't know if our vaccines will work with those strains. We know the Chinese vaccines have a low efficacy rate and we know they are not mRNA vaccines which allow for easier adaptation to new strains. Making travelers with a Chinese passport take Covid tests at any and all airports is not racist or even unfair - a reminder that China has been relatively hard to travel to for the last 2 years because they were locked down to foreign travel as well. This is simply good policy from a public health measure, and you not wanting to see that for what it is and instead attribute it to a nascent American hatred for China is laughable. the World Health Organization estimated close to 800 million new cases in China in the next few months, with another estimate 4 million deaths and countless new strains coming out during that period. This is about protection populations, not punishing China.", ">\n\n\nStrains are spreading in the west yes, but there are new strains in China that are spreading and we don't know if our vaccines will work with those strains.\n\nYou don't know if vaccines work against any new variant even if that variant is from a country populated with white people.\n\nWe know the Chinese vaccines have a low efficacy rate and we know they are not mRNA vaccines which allow for easier adaptation to new strains. \n\nThe vaccine doesn't adapt once inside of your body you know that right?\n\nMaking travelers with a Chinese passport take Covid tests at any and all airports is not racist or even unfair \n\nit's definitely unfair and probably racist as well.\n\nhis is simply good policy from a public health measure, a\n\nA good policy would be to require vaccinations from everybody. Think about it, you are requiring a vaccine that you said doesn't even work. How much sense does that make?\n\nattribute it to a nascent American hatred for China is laughable.\n\nNascent?\n\nThis is about protection populations, not punishing China.\n\nIt's definitely about punishing china, it's a part of the current cold war with China conducted by the USA.", ">\n\n\nYou don't know if vaccines work against any new variant even if that variant is from a country populated with white people.\n\nAll the more reason to not invite more new strains into the country. White population or otherwise has nothing to do with it, expected rise in cases in China does.\n\nThe vaccine doesn't adapt once inside of your body you know that right?\n\nYou missed the point. The point i was making was that the Chinese medical system has not even approached Covid with an mRNA vaccine, and steadfastly refused to license western vaccines. If the vaccine most readily available in China has a 50% efficacy then the population is at more risk of contracting the virus and having negative results. The infection rates are increased with each new case of BA.7 (China is currently seeing each covid patient infecting on average 18 other people represented as 1:18, whereas the in US the rate is 1:3.9). Each of these factors increases the risk of developing new strains that are vaccine resistant. \n\nit's definitely unfair and probably racist as well\n\nIs it your position that nations cannot take any prescriptive action to prevent the spread of infected persons from other countries? Again i would remind you that China has basically been locked down for the last 2 years, with severe limitations to personal freedoms themselves. This is not based on race, but rather a government's inability to contain a contagious outbreak in their own country and not wanting it to spread. \n\nA good policy would be to require vaccinations from everybody. Think about it, you are requiring a vaccine that you said doesn't even work. How much sense does that make?\n\nThat might be your definition on good policy, but it isn't mine and that isn't how the west does it. \"I\" am not requiring a vaccine that \"I\" said doesn't work - that was your suggestion not mine. Also, i said the efficacy of the Chinese vaccine is 50% - based on available information - i never said it didn't work, and i never said that it should be mandatory or required.\n\nNascent?\n\nPoor and wrong word choice on my part it seems. What i meant was ascribing the US decision to require testing of Chinese travelers to racism because you believe that the US is racist is laughable. Taking a test to prove that you are covid negative is far less onerous on a traveler than most visa requirements.\n\nIt's definitely about punishing china, it's a part of the current cold war with China conducted by the USA.\n\nCite your sources. I could point to many Chinese government policies that i could say are part of the current cold war with the US without backing it up and it would be just as credible as what you said. Opinion is not a source, and not proof. You assume that the US government is racist, that this policy is racist and yet we have had travel bans imposed on other countries, as well as testing required for travelers from other countries imposed before, and other policies and so has China. For goodness sake China has been closed to foreigners for almost 3 years, and is still closed to foreign travel until January 2023. Is that a racist policy as well?", ">\n\nHere we go again.\nThis time I think I'll learn French cooking.", ">\n\n5000 People a day will have to die before Anybody says the word Lock down in the States ever again.", ">\n\nDon’t understand why people can’t handle staying at home for two weeks when it could potentially eradicate a deadly virus. Are we that weak?", ">\n\nWe did that in large part in March 2020. And did China not spend years locking down their citizens? \nPeoples savings are gone. They need to work. \nWearing a mask would do a lot to help the issue but people aren’t willing to do that anymore.", ">\n\nWe didn't do that though. We didn't all lock down when we were supposed to. Where I work I had to go in from the very start all the way through. Most people, the majority of people, didn't stay home even if they didn't have work. Most people didn't fuck with masks or keeping a distance, and even people who weren't antivaccers didn't take the vaccine seriously for the longest time. \nWe had no fucking lock down, unless you were a well-off celebrity or comedian who wanted to talk about being locked down for content. \nIf people legit locked down, they would have taken a small hit financially, but too many people didn't do shit and prolonged everything.", ">\n\nThe things is that it doesn't take long to drain peoples saving - becuase the overwhelming majority of people have practically none. \nSo an extended lockdown was never feasible unless the government was willing to pay several trillion dollars of expenses, not just 2 or 3 times but several times over.", ">\n\nI didn't dispute any of what you said. I pointed out that most people actively contested any safety measure and most people didn't actually lock down. Any extension will almost certainly be the fault of most of those people. \nI'd gladly let them all die if it meant the few people who did take things seriously didn't have to live through a Walking Dead scenario or have to take a huge financial hit because them.", ">\n\nMost people did lock down just fine initially. After a few weeks turned into a month or more, yeah people got testy.\nAdditionally, a gigantic amount of people work in critical industries and simply cant stay home. Just keeping the lights and water on requires tens of millions of workers, plus industries like plants and refineries that simply cannot shut down without massive long-term consequences.\nReddit is full of office people who can WFH, the vast majority of people cant.", ">\n\nI was one of those who couldn't stay home. Right out of the gate most people gave up on almost all of it except when they were making a show of complying when they had to. There was a lot of cheating. I walk through a lot of different areas. The waves of patients and bodies we got at work tracked with that and became predictable.", ">\n\nWhat’s that saying that ends with ”…doomed to repeat it?”", ">\n\nWhy not just require a negative test from everyone?", ">\n\nWho would you expect to pay for that?", ">\n\nGovernments or sponsors from the private sector ideally, I honestly don’t give a fuck. I’ve gotten many free tests from both and I’ve also bought some for like $8.", ">\n\n“Here we go again” from everyone in the comments. \nThe virus never stopped, we did.", ">\n\nVirus will always be there. Permanent restrictions are unsustainable", ">\n\n3 years later...\nIs this permanent?", ">\n\nI doubt there's anything that would make Republicans running in 2024 happier then Democrats advocating for a return to COVID restrictions.", ">\n\nRight? It’d be like the democrats fighting for gun control, or gay and trans rights, or safe and legal abortions. It would be political suicide to stand for something that Republicans don’t like!", ">\n\nMy understanding is that everything you listed is broadly popular or has at least a majority of American's in favor of it. A return to COVID restrictions is not in that category.", ">\n\nGun control isn’t even universally loved amongst the American left, as the hard left needs them for protection from the hard right they clash with, and the middle left does like having their guns taken as much as any middle right wing does, only mid left likes it", ">\n\nGallup has 57% of Americans feeling that in general gun laws should be more strict.", ">\n\nRegular people want kids to stop dying while in school. The problem is \"stricter laws\" is vague and no one can agree on what it means or give a serious proposal that would work, short of confiscation and bans, which are wildly unpopular.", ">\n\nVague political talking points is the best we’re going to get. Much as I’d love a Ross Perot style of breaking down every platform and promise, the general public doesn’t go for it. Buzz words are all we have the attention span for.", ">\n\nChina's COVID-19 surge raises odds of new coronavirus variants\nThings could get very ugly.", ">\n\nYou say this like covid hasn't been spreading rampantly through literally every country on the planet, mostly without any measures to stop the spread. Why does China get a different treatment and maybe countries should require tests from the US or Inida or Europe?", ">\n\nI agree. US was primarily the culprit of why COVID went rampant to begin with. We actively refused to enforce any sort of safety measures, just a mild suggestion of \"maybe wear a mask, if you want to, it's ok if you don't\" and \"we have vaccines if you want one, no pressure tho\". That was really our response to the world's deadliest pandemic.", ">\n\nWe actively made fun of zero covid approaches on reddit and now based on the comments on this thread we are suddenly pro “zero covid” approaches", ">\n\nEveryone finally watched contagion", ">\n\nSo far my 2023 bingo card is reading alooot of skull and crossbones, I think I might actually win at something next year, what does your score card look like?", ">\n\nWhen’s that $1200 going to hit my account?", ">\n\nI’m still living off mine from last time!", ">\n\nI’m still looking for mine", ">\n\nI’m waiting for that $600 bucks from Biden still, but that’s going right into my retirement!", ">\n\nYou dont get he meant to include any money you already received as well /s", ">\n\nI seem to remember campaign ads with $2000 checks.", ">\n\nYep they explicitly mentioned $2,000 checks.", ">\n\nMy comment was sarcasm but in retrospect there are so many neoliberals saying that word for word in all seriousness that I should and will add a sarcasm tag", ">\n\nThat's nice and all, but let's not act like we're not just ignoring our own COVID problems.", ">\n\n\n\"You don't have zero tolerance anymore? We can't tolerate that.\"\n\n- Country with 100% tolerance", ">\n\nWhy not require a negative COVID test from everyone entering the country? It’s like they don’t want COVID to be under control.", ">\n\nI think this is because China has a relatively low vaccination rate because they relied on lock downs. Now that lock downs are being ramped down, they are having a huge surge.", ">\n\nThe vaccination rate in China is considerably higher than the US (92% vs 81%). This is just another example of yellow peril", ">\n\nThank you for pointing this out. What I said above was wrong about the vaccination rate. I don’t know why exactly China is having a surge. 🤷‍♂️", ">\n\nTheir vaccination rate is high but their vaccine, SinoVac is based on old tech. It conveys effectively zero protection from variants when compared to all the other types of vaccines on the market.", ">\n\nYou guys are so full of shit. At 3 doses Sinovac gives the same protection as any western vaccine with boosters to help mitigate mutated variants. Stop spreading misinfo.", ">\n\n\"Does that thumbnail of someone getting tested read too much like 'screaming uselessly into the void'?\"\n\"I'm sure it'll be fine.\"", ">\n\nMaybe, just maybe they shouldnt have stopped testing airplane passengers in the first place... \nWe have cheap, readily available tests that take 10 minutes to complete. There’s really no reason not to test ever passenger before boarding...", ">\n\nEveryone I know who had Omicron tested negative until their symptoms cleared. It was evading the RATs, for some reason.", ">\n\nI tested positive on a rapid test two days after getting congested. Every teacher coworker of mine who bothered to test after getting cold symptoms also did. I think it's why so few parents now test their kids before sending time to school sick. They don't want to know so we all find out when we or our family members then test positive, missing work on their sick kids' behalf so they didn't have to. \nI have also heard the rapid test can give false negatives but anecdotal references don't mean much.", ">\n\nA day late and a dollar short. Same old song and dance.", ">\n\nWow, it’s like history literally repeating itself.", ">\n\nIndeed it is. I hope everyone is prepared for what’s next.", ">\n\nWe should require negative COVID tests for people to fly within the US, too.\nIt makes no difference to me if the person who infects me at LAX is coming in from China, or from Texas.", ">\n\nThere is a high chance anyone that comes from China has Covid right now. Low chance that someone inside America has.", ">\n\nNaw. China’s percent is much higher, sure, but it’s not like US infection rates are low. You can pretty much guarantee an infected American on every sold out domestic flight. The latest variants are super, super contagious, and it only takes one infected person to pose a serious risk to the other people sharing their space, and then all of their families and friends after they land. All flights should still require testing and masking at this point, or all we’ve really accomplished is pacifying the dimwits and xenophobes.\nI know at least 3 people who 100% contracted COVID while flying domestically in the US this last month - because they were isolated for the incubation period beforehand. They were masked the entire time they were in the airport and on the plane.", ">\n\nIf they were masked up and I assume vaccinated and still caught the virus then preventable measures like these aren’t that effective.", ">\n\nIs there a new strain of Covid that isn't in the U.S yet, otherwise what's the point.", ">\n\nUm testing should not ever stop.", ">\n\nAh shit here we go again", ">\n\n\"Who left the fridge open?\"", ">\n\nIt's \"just a cold\" unless it's a non-white person from another country carrying it.\n/s", ">\n\nChina implemented an ineffective vaccine and had 30m+ cases in one day. It’s specifically that gov. refusing to use effective vaccines", ">\n\nAnd the United States had effective vaccines that half the country is not willing to nor willing to wear masks, while complaining to other countries like China about their travel restrictions (from China and Hong Kong). And honestly I’m not oppose to a tighter restriction on China while they are experiencing a surge in new cases just as it did with any other countries that initially loosen covid restrictions, what makes me question this being race or politically motivated is the hypocrisy; people complained about China being oppressive when it was enforcing all the covid restrictions and when they loosen it “China doesn’t care about human lives”.\nSo what exactly do you want them to do?", ">\n\n\nto Require Negative Covid Tests for Travelers From China\n\nLuckily China is well known for its systemic unwillingness to fake or counterfeit things, so everything should be fine.\nhonest.", ">\n\nSeems purely retaliatory with no actual effectiveness.\nEnforcement is over a week away and presumably China has hit its peak already (flights being 40% positive)", ">\n\nThe rich rats are going to buy fake tests and jump ship breaking quarantine just like they did in the first wave. Cutting flights or enforcing quarantines is the only way to prevent this stuff from jumping oceans but god forbid anybody inhibit the jet setters.", ">\n\nHALF of the passengers on a plane from China going to Italy tested positive the other day (tested on arrival). Chances are most if not all of them had negative test results they could show that they took before they left. This won't do anything to stop people coming into the US while positive..we are going to have to go through this all over again and we won't have the same somewhat cooperative response in the US this time if it is a variant that evades immunity... It will get REALLY bad.", ">\n\nSeriously they know red states will just let them in and will never do another shut down again. So start dealt with out break countries this way to slow it down or corner it. But I see very very bad days ahead for China and Russia is starting to report out breaks too.", ">\n\nMust. When?", ">\n\nWe already require this from canada iirc\nEdit: i was wrong, canada requires it from us.", ">\n\nI hope we are talking PCR tests... those store-bought 15-minute ones struggle to get a positive if you have any sort of vaccination, even while symptomatic and miserable.", ">\n\nWell, a little bit of good news. I'll take it.", ">\n\nTravel should have been 100$ restricted a long time ago. Travel should be restricted to any country experiencing a COVID outbreak.", ">\n\nWonderful. Another round of Asian hating.", ">\n\nWho's hating on Asians? We're trying to stop this virus from killing people.", ">\n\nor… ban flights from china??", ">\n\nDoesn’t make sense in singling out China when covid is widespread in every single country", ">\n\nThe extent of covid in china atm is just absurd. Two weeks ago, they had 37 MILLION cases in one day. Think about that. Thats more people than a lot of countries! \nsource", ">\n\nI wonder why China has so much trouble with COVID compared to other countries, despite being so strict.", ">\n\nIt’s because they had the zero covid approaches that people are advocating for in this thread and they suddenly reversed course. Everyone in China is getting it so fast its likely the same variants quickly spreading in a population that suddenly reversed course. Having many people getting it over time and exposed to new generations of the virus (which is what happens over time) is more insidious but people here think thats fine", ">\n\nEveryone saying this is racist, do not pay attention to the world", ">\n\nIt was called racist and xenophobic when Trump did it. The left are hypocritical emotional wrecks.", ">\n\nnah trump was racist or did you forget he called it the “china virus” and subsequent hate crimes increased against adians", ">\n\nLet’s not change the subject. We’re talking about testing travelers from China here. Always trying to deflect.", ">\n\nIs that what he did, though? That and nothing else? This is a Fox News headline, but I bet there's a lot more to it. There usually is.\nFYI, Italy is also requiring testing of travelers from China at this time.\nBecause of the high number of cases in China at this time.", ">\n\nSo many dumb replies here. I am sad about where humankind is at.", ">\n\nRound two people", ">\n\nWe need to ramp up testing again at border.", ">\n\nChina trying to stop Covid…lol! Fail miserably at that, build a huge infected population, then unleash it on the world. Great job China /s", ">\n\nSell then the Moderna vaccine so they can treat themselves, ans end this debacle.", ">\n\nEven if US send Moderna and Phizer vaccine, China will not use it, because they boast about \"superior\" Chinese vaccine and don't want to lose face.\n​\nUntil they change their attitude, I suggest keeping restriction in place for PRC travelers.", ">\n\nOh definitely.", ">\n\nCCP exporting covid again.", ">\n\nPaywall - can anyone help me read the article? It sounds great in theory but why wait so long? That’s how this all started in 2020. Test now!", ">\n\nChina has been in quarantine until the protests. They have a very low of vaccinated people, so now everyone's breathing on each other's necks, squeezing in tight places and now introducing another pandemic. \nI believe a combination of everyone quarantined for too long and non vaccinated people are making this a very deadly spread.", ">\n\nTheir vaccination rate is not too bad, except among the elderly. But their vaccine was shit even before all the variants.\nThey've been trying to use lockdown to prevent spread and with the new variants that just won't work.\nSo yeah, they're pretty fucked.", ">\n\nVaccination rate is good, but the rate of people who are up to date on boosters is where they fall short even beyond just the elderly. It also doesn't help that the vaccine being used is overall less effective than the ones being used elsewhere like you said. Makes those booster shots many are lacking even more critical.", ">\n\nApparently Americans only get worried when it’s Chinese people spreading Covid as opposed to their own residents, citizens and Europeans.", ">\n\nseems xenophobic /s", ">\n\noh I'm sure conservatives will be very concerned about the \"freedoms\" of those travelers from China", ">\n\nHow's this going to work for the 75% of all our manufactured goods coming in from China?", ">\n\nThank God Biden is doing this if it was Trump they call him racist .", ">\n\nTrump admin did this and it was hailed as a great idea, because it was. And is.\nWho tf cares who the man or president is when it comes to health? Why are some people like this?", ">\n\nYou know that wasnt true.", ">\n\nWhy would they make a move that would indisputably send hundreds of thousands of infected into the wider world including those that may wind up being infected with a new variant or two? \nCan we at least conclude that China does not care about this possibility? Is that verboten to say?\nCan an axiomatically correct statement still result in a ban?", ">\n\nSounds kinda racist.", ">\n\nMakes absolute sense considering what's currently going on there. Canada should do the same. I'll even go as far as say suspend visas / entry from that part of the world temporarily, until they can get it under control", ">\n\nMakes sense. China is exploding with covid and who knows if/when the next bad variant develops there.", ">\n\nLmao Reddit enjoying their shut in lives so much I’d rather jump off the tallest bridge near me before going into lockdowns again.", ">\n\nXenophobia", ">\n\nXenophobic Biden", ">\n\nPeople are acting like Covid stopped spreading in the US… The US just decided to ignore it, that is until China gained more cases, and now it’s back to fear mongering Chinese people. I see that xenophobia is still alive and well in the US.", ">\n\nMy family and I caught covid during Thanksgiving after being careful for two years. Fortunately, we're all vaccinated so the symptoms didn't hit us too hard. We just got lax with being careful, but we'll probably be wearing our masks in crowded places just to be safe.", ">\n\nI never stopped wearing masks in the US while going to stores. The reality is we have had waves of Covid here in the US, and we have had different mutations of variants too.", ">\n\nThats racist. Biden should be ashamed of himself for allowing such bigotry and hatred towards our Chinese brethren.", ">\n\nThis applies to anyone traveling from China, not just the Chinese.", ">\n\nI wouldn’t think another country was rascist if the USA had a huge surge and temporarily suspended flights to:from the USA until the numbers came down.", ">\n\nSame biological warfare when westerners were entering into China in 2022?", ">\n\n50 Cent army, out in full force!", ">\n\nWhy are we letting anyone in from China?", ">\n\nCitizens and most permanent residents cannot be refused admission.", ">\n\nOh, here we go again.", ">\n\nKind of ironic seeing how the US has worse cases lmao", ">\n\nUS will keep up the bio attacks until the world complies with their foreign policy. Which is to keep China from becoming a threat to its hegemony", ">\n\nWeird how we can’t make our own citizens mask or test but we can make sure travelers from other places do \nWild how absolutely absurd the timeline we’re living in js", ">\n\nGood. We should not allow anyone from any country the opportunity to enter our country without proof.", ">\n\nIt’s not xenophobia, it’s (D)ifferent this time. Maybe if they let trump try this in the first place", ">\n\nThis just adds fuel to racist anti-Asian sentiment in the US. What about all the people on the plane with Chinese travelers who aren't Chinese? If the situation warrants testing of anyone, it warrants testing of everyone.", ">\n\nThis is just politics. Do we really want to pretend we don’t have an overwhelming amount of COVID cases right now in America? Everyone knows most people don’t test unless they’re very sick (which is rare now) and most who even do test use at home tests and don’t report the results. Can we really just not admit to ourselves as a nation that for the overwhelming majority of people COVID no longer poses a serious threat? Hospitalization, death and long COVID are statistically insignificant for healthy vaccinated individuals at this point I don’t see why anyone can see this as anymore than political posturing.", ">\n\nWelcome to the virtue signaling zone.", ">\n\nWell ??? Why wouldn't we check considering their outbreak is significant. Seriously was this a question ?", ">\n\nChina’s authoritarian regime locked down their country for years… this contained rhe virus until mass protests as well as international condemnations. So I believe Chinese govt is teaching their citizens a lesson. Let them roam free and allow international travel into the country. Let them get severely ill and die. Then they will acknowledge and apologize to the government. This type of reverse psychology isn’t new.", ">\n\nWe the People require a vigilant health care approach to our borders at the expense of [Pure Greed] from those who capitalize on what ails us\nWe the People demand all institutions do a readiness check \nAt which time We the People can demand a Meeting of the Continental Congress to address the state of our union, to reboot the principles and powers of the American Constitution and Bill of Rights, to re instate the neutral balance of power in the houses and senate of all levels of our current government[ one party control is not the operation of the United States of America 🇺🇸]", ">\n\nIf only we had this kind of foresight 3 years ago… we could have avoided this whole mess.", ">\n\nAnd Trump was called xenophobic when we asked for the same thing" ]
> We should have another global 2020-tier lockdown period, imo. Work at home, way less flights active etc.
[ "People from China will travel through Europe and come in to America from the east coast like they did when the pandemic started. This will do nothing if all travelers aboard aren’t made to test.", ">\n\nLet's hope EU and other countries do the same.", ">\n\nI don't know if they will. Australia (for example) had some of the toughest Covid policies and they've essentially just thrown them all out the window.\nSo I don't know how willing countries are to go back to being overly concerned about Covid.", ">\n\nThey should be concerned w chinese, it's spreading like wildfire in china. If we aren't careful, they will come out w covid 20.", ">\n\nIt’s spreading everywhere including the USA. This policy has nothing to do with science or medicine. It’s just politics.", ">\n\nNo. It’s circulating like mad in a population of 1 billion people who haven’t been exposed before. This is how new variants come about. Every country should require negative Covid test for china at least until it cycles through the population", ">\n\n\nNo. It’s circulating like mad in a population of 1 billion people who haven’t been exposed before.\n\nIt's also spreading like mad in all the countries of the world including the USA.\n\nThis is how new variants come about. \n\nAnd they have been for years now.\n\nEvery country should require negative Covid test for china at least until it cycles through the population\n\nOnly for political reasons. There is no scientific or rational demand for this. \nI get it, you hate china, most americans hate china so just be honest and say what you really mean.", ">\n\nStrains are spreading in the west yes, but there are new strains in China that are spreading and we don't know if our vaccines will work with those strains. We know the Chinese vaccines have a low efficacy rate and we know they are not mRNA vaccines which allow for easier adaptation to new strains. Making travelers with a Chinese passport take Covid tests at any and all airports is not racist or even unfair - a reminder that China has been relatively hard to travel to for the last 2 years because they were locked down to foreign travel as well. This is simply good policy from a public health measure, and you not wanting to see that for what it is and instead attribute it to a nascent American hatred for China is laughable. the World Health Organization estimated close to 800 million new cases in China in the next few months, with another estimate 4 million deaths and countless new strains coming out during that period. This is about protection populations, not punishing China.", ">\n\n\nStrains are spreading in the west yes, but there are new strains in China that are spreading and we don't know if our vaccines will work with those strains.\n\nYou don't know if vaccines work against any new variant even if that variant is from a country populated with white people.\n\nWe know the Chinese vaccines have a low efficacy rate and we know they are not mRNA vaccines which allow for easier adaptation to new strains. \n\nThe vaccine doesn't adapt once inside of your body you know that right?\n\nMaking travelers with a Chinese passport take Covid tests at any and all airports is not racist or even unfair \n\nit's definitely unfair and probably racist as well.\n\nhis is simply good policy from a public health measure, a\n\nA good policy would be to require vaccinations from everybody. Think about it, you are requiring a vaccine that you said doesn't even work. How much sense does that make?\n\nattribute it to a nascent American hatred for China is laughable.\n\nNascent?\n\nThis is about protection populations, not punishing China.\n\nIt's definitely about punishing china, it's a part of the current cold war with China conducted by the USA.", ">\n\n\nYou don't know if vaccines work against any new variant even if that variant is from a country populated with white people.\n\nAll the more reason to not invite more new strains into the country. White population or otherwise has nothing to do with it, expected rise in cases in China does.\n\nThe vaccine doesn't adapt once inside of your body you know that right?\n\nYou missed the point. The point i was making was that the Chinese medical system has not even approached Covid with an mRNA vaccine, and steadfastly refused to license western vaccines. If the vaccine most readily available in China has a 50% efficacy then the population is at more risk of contracting the virus and having negative results. The infection rates are increased with each new case of BA.7 (China is currently seeing each covid patient infecting on average 18 other people represented as 1:18, whereas the in US the rate is 1:3.9). Each of these factors increases the risk of developing new strains that are vaccine resistant. \n\nit's definitely unfair and probably racist as well\n\nIs it your position that nations cannot take any prescriptive action to prevent the spread of infected persons from other countries? Again i would remind you that China has basically been locked down for the last 2 years, with severe limitations to personal freedoms themselves. This is not based on race, but rather a government's inability to contain a contagious outbreak in their own country and not wanting it to spread. \n\nA good policy would be to require vaccinations from everybody. Think about it, you are requiring a vaccine that you said doesn't even work. How much sense does that make?\n\nThat might be your definition on good policy, but it isn't mine and that isn't how the west does it. \"I\" am not requiring a vaccine that \"I\" said doesn't work - that was your suggestion not mine. Also, i said the efficacy of the Chinese vaccine is 50% - based on available information - i never said it didn't work, and i never said that it should be mandatory or required.\n\nNascent?\n\nPoor and wrong word choice on my part it seems. What i meant was ascribing the US decision to require testing of Chinese travelers to racism because you believe that the US is racist is laughable. Taking a test to prove that you are covid negative is far less onerous on a traveler than most visa requirements.\n\nIt's definitely about punishing china, it's a part of the current cold war with China conducted by the USA.\n\nCite your sources. I could point to many Chinese government policies that i could say are part of the current cold war with the US without backing it up and it would be just as credible as what you said. Opinion is not a source, and not proof. You assume that the US government is racist, that this policy is racist and yet we have had travel bans imposed on other countries, as well as testing required for travelers from other countries imposed before, and other policies and so has China. For goodness sake China has been closed to foreigners for almost 3 years, and is still closed to foreign travel until January 2023. Is that a racist policy as well?", ">\n\nHere we go again.\nThis time I think I'll learn French cooking.", ">\n\n5000 People a day will have to die before Anybody says the word Lock down in the States ever again.", ">\n\nDon’t understand why people can’t handle staying at home for two weeks when it could potentially eradicate a deadly virus. Are we that weak?", ">\n\nWe did that in large part in March 2020. And did China not spend years locking down their citizens? \nPeoples savings are gone. They need to work. \nWearing a mask would do a lot to help the issue but people aren’t willing to do that anymore.", ">\n\nWe didn't do that though. We didn't all lock down when we were supposed to. Where I work I had to go in from the very start all the way through. Most people, the majority of people, didn't stay home even if they didn't have work. Most people didn't fuck with masks or keeping a distance, and even people who weren't antivaccers didn't take the vaccine seriously for the longest time. \nWe had no fucking lock down, unless you were a well-off celebrity or comedian who wanted to talk about being locked down for content. \nIf people legit locked down, they would have taken a small hit financially, but too many people didn't do shit and prolonged everything.", ">\n\nThe things is that it doesn't take long to drain peoples saving - becuase the overwhelming majority of people have practically none. \nSo an extended lockdown was never feasible unless the government was willing to pay several trillion dollars of expenses, not just 2 or 3 times but several times over.", ">\n\nI didn't dispute any of what you said. I pointed out that most people actively contested any safety measure and most people didn't actually lock down. Any extension will almost certainly be the fault of most of those people. \nI'd gladly let them all die if it meant the few people who did take things seriously didn't have to live through a Walking Dead scenario or have to take a huge financial hit because them.", ">\n\nMost people did lock down just fine initially. After a few weeks turned into a month or more, yeah people got testy.\nAdditionally, a gigantic amount of people work in critical industries and simply cant stay home. Just keeping the lights and water on requires tens of millions of workers, plus industries like plants and refineries that simply cannot shut down without massive long-term consequences.\nReddit is full of office people who can WFH, the vast majority of people cant.", ">\n\nI was one of those who couldn't stay home. Right out of the gate most people gave up on almost all of it except when they were making a show of complying when they had to. There was a lot of cheating. I walk through a lot of different areas. The waves of patients and bodies we got at work tracked with that and became predictable.", ">\n\nWhat’s that saying that ends with ”…doomed to repeat it?”", ">\n\nWhy not just require a negative test from everyone?", ">\n\nWho would you expect to pay for that?", ">\n\nGovernments or sponsors from the private sector ideally, I honestly don’t give a fuck. I’ve gotten many free tests from both and I’ve also bought some for like $8.", ">\n\n“Here we go again” from everyone in the comments. \nThe virus never stopped, we did.", ">\n\nVirus will always be there. Permanent restrictions are unsustainable", ">\n\n3 years later...\nIs this permanent?", ">\n\nI doubt there's anything that would make Republicans running in 2024 happier then Democrats advocating for a return to COVID restrictions.", ">\n\nRight? It’d be like the democrats fighting for gun control, or gay and trans rights, or safe and legal abortions. It would be political suicide to stand for something that Republicans don’t like!", ">\n\nMy understanding is that everything you listed is broadly popular or has at least a majority of American's in favor of it. A return to COVID restrictions is not in that category.", ">\n\nGun control isn’t even universally loved amongst the American left, as the hard left needs them for protection from the hard right they clash with, and the middle left does like having their guns taken as much as any middle right wing does, only mid left likes it", ">\n\nGallup has 57% of Americans feeling that in general gun laws should be more strict.", ">\n\nRegular people want kids to stop dying while in school. The problem is \"stricter laws\" is vague and no one can agree on what it means or give a serious proposal that would work, short of confiscation and bans, which are wildly unpopular.", ">\n\nVague political talking points is the best we’re going to get. Much as I’d love a Ross Perot style of breaking down every platform and promise, the general public doesn’t go for it. Buzz words are all we have the attention span for.", ">\n\nChina's COVID-19 surge raises odds of new coronavirus variants\nThings could get very ugly.", ">\n\nYou say this like covid hasn't been spreading rampantly through literally every country on the planet, mostly without any measures to stop the spread. Why does China get a different treatment and maybe countries should require tests from the US or Inida or Europe?", ">\n\nI agree. US was primarily the culprit of why COVID went rampant to begin with. We actively refused to enforce any sort of safety measures, just a mild suggestion of \"maybe wear a mask, if you want to, it's ok if you don't\" and \"we have vaccines if you want one, no pressure tho\". That was really our response to the world's deadliest pandemic.", ">\n\nWe actively made fun of zero covid approaches on reddit and now based on the comments on this thread we are suddenly pro “zero covid” approaches", ">\n\nEveryone finally watched contagion", ">\n\nSo far my 2023 bingo card is reading alooot of skull and crossbones, I think I might actually win at something next year, what does your score card look like?", ">\n\nWhen’s that $1200 going to hit my account?", ">\n\nI’m still living off mine from last time!", ">\n\nI’m still looking for mine", ">\n\nI’m waiting for that $600 bucks from Biden still, but that’s going right into my retirement!", ">\n\nYou dont get he meant to include any money you already received as well /s", ">\n\nI seem to remember campaign ads with $2000 checks.", ">\n\nYep they explicitly mentioned $2,000 checks.", ">\n\nMy comment was sarcasm but in retrospect there are so many neoliberals saying that word for word in all seriousness that I should and will add a sarcasm tag", ">\n\nThat's nice and all, but let's not act like we're not just ignoring our own COVID problems.", ">\n\n\n\"You don't have zero tolerance anymore? We can't tolerate that.\"\n\n- Country with 100% tolerance", ">\n\nWhy not require a negative COVID test from everyone entering the country? It’s like they don’t want COVID to be under control.", ">\n\nI think this is because China has a relatively low vaccination rate because they relied on lock downs. Now that lock downs are being ramped down, they are having a huge surge.", ">\n\nThe vaccination rate in China is considerably higher than the US (92% vs 81%). This is just another example of yellow peril", ">\n\nThank you for pointing this out. What I said above was wrong about the vaccination rate. I don’t know why exactly China is having a surge. 🤷‍♂️", ">\n\nTheir vaccination rate is high but their vaccine, SinoVac is based on old tech. It conveys effectively zero protection from variants when compared to all the other types of vaccines on the market.", ">\n\nYou guys are so full of shit. At 3 doses Sinovac gives the same protection as any western vaccine with boosters to help mitigate mutated variants. Stop spreading misinfo.", ">\n\n\"Does that thumbnail of someone getting tested read too much like 'screaming uselessly into the void'?\"\n\"I'm sure it'll be fine.\"", ">\n\nMaybe, just maybe they shouldnt have stopped testing airplane passengers in the first place... \nWe have cheap, readily available tests that take 10 minutes to complete. There’s really no reason not to test ever passenger before boarding...", ">\n\nEveryone I know who had Omicron tested negative until their symptoms cleared. It was evading the RATs, for some reason.", ">\n\nI tested positive on a rapid test two days after getting congested. Every teacher coworker of mine who bothered to test after getting cold symptoms also did. I think it's why so few parents now test their kids before sending time to school sick. They don't want to know so we all find out when we or our family members then test positive, missing work on their sick kids' behalf so they didn't have to. \nI have also heard the rapid test can give false negatives but anecdotal references don't mean much.", ">\n\nA day late and a dollar short. Same old song and dance.", ">\n\nWow, it’s like history literally repeating itself.", ">\n\nIndeed it is. I hope everyone is prepared for what’s next.", ">\n\nWe should require negative COVID tests for people to fly within the US, too.\nIt makes no difference to me if the person who infects me at LAX is coming in from China, or from Texas.", ">\n\nThere is a high chance anyone that comes from China has Covid right now. Low chance that someone inside America has.", ">\n\nNaw. China’s percent is much higher, sure, but it’s not like US infection rates are low. You can pretty much guarantee an infected American on every sold out domestic flight. The latest variants are super, super contagious, and it only takes one infected person to pose a serious risk to the other people sharing their space, and then all of their families and friends after they land. All flights should still require testing and masking at this point, or all we’ve really accomplished is pacifying the dimwits and xenophobes.\nI know at least 3 people who 100% contracted COVID while flying domestically in the US this last month - because they were isolated for the incubation period beforehand. They were masked the entire time they were in the airport and on the plane.", ">\n\nIf they were masked up and I assume vaccinated and still caught the virus then preventable measures like these aren’t that effective.", ">\n\nIs there a new strain of Covid that isn't in the U.S yet, otherwise what's the point.", ">\n\nUm testing should not ever stop.", ">\n\nAh shit here we go again", ">\n\n\"Who left the fridge open?\"", ">\n\nIt's \"just a cold\" unless it's a non-white person from another country carrying it.\n/s", ">\n\nChina implemented an ineffective vaccine and had 30m+ cases in one day. It’s specifically that gov. refusing to use effective vaccines", ">\n\nAnd the United States had effective vaccines that half the country is not willing to nor willing to wear masks, while complaining to other countries like China about their travel restrictions (from China and Hong Kong). And honestly I’m not oppose to a tighter restriction on China while they are experiencing a surge in new cases just as it did with any other countries that initially loosen covid restrictions, what makes me question this being race or politically motivated is the hypocrisy; people complained about China being oppressive when it was enforcing all the covid restrictions and when they loosen it “China doesn’t care about human lives”.\nSo what exactly do you want them to do?", ">\n\n\nto Require Negative Covid Tests for Travelers From China\n\nLuckily China is well known for its systemic unwillingness to fake or counterfeit things, so everything should be fine.\nhonest.", ">\n\nSeems purely retaliatory with no actual effectiveness.\nEnforcement is over a week away and presumably China has hit its peak already (flights being 40% positive)", ">\n\nThe rich rats are going to buy fake tests and jump ship breaking quarantine just like they did in the first wave. Cutting flights or enforcing quarantines is the only way to prevent this stuff from jumping oceans but god forbid anybody inhibit the jet setters.", ">\n\nHALF of the passengers on a plane from China going to Italy tested positive the other day (tested on arrival). Chances are most if not all of them had negative test results they could show that they took before they left. This won't do anything to stop people coming into the US while positive..we are going to have to go through this all over again and we won't have the same somewhat cooperative response in the US this time if it is a variant that evades immunity... It will get REALLY bad.", ">\n\nSeriously they know red states will just let them in and will never do another shut down again. So start dealt with out break countries this way to slow it down or corner it. But I see very very bad days ahead for China and Russia is starting to report out breaks too.", ">\n\nMust. When?", ">\n\nWe already require this from canada iirc\nEdit: i was wrong, canada requires it from us.", ">\n\nI hope we are talking PCR tests... those store-bought 15-minute ones struggle to get a positive if you have any sort of vaccination, even while symptomatic and miserable.", ">\n\nWell, a little bit of good news. I'll take it.", ">\n\nTravel should have been 100$ restricted a long time ago. Travel should be restricted to any country experiencing a COVID outbreak.", ">\n\nWonderful. Another round of Asian hating.", ">\n\nWho's hating on Asians? We're trying to stop this virus from killing people.", ">\n\nor… ban flights from china??", ">\n\nDoesn’t make sense in singling out China when covid is widespread in every single country", ">\n\nThe extent of covid in china atm is just absurd. Two weeks ago, they had 37 MILLION cases in one day. Think about that. Thats more people than a lot of countries! \nsource", ">\n\nI wonder why China has so much trouble with COVID compared to other countries, despite being so strict.", ">\n\nIt’s because they had the zero covid approaches that people are advocating for in this thread and they suddenly reversed course. Everyone in China is getting it so fast its likely the same variants quickly spreading in a population that suddenly reversed course. Having many people getting it over time and exposed to new generations of the virus (which is what happens over time) is more insidious but people here think thats fine", ">\n\nEveryone saying this is racist, do not pay attention to the world", ">\n\nIt was called racist and xenophobic when Trump did it. The left are hypocritical emotional wrecks.", ">\n\nnah trump was racist or did you forget he called it the “china virus” and subsequent hate crimes increased against adians", ">\n\nLet’s not change the subject. We’re talking about testing travelers from China here. Always trying to deflect.", ">\n\nIs that what he did, though? That and nothing else? This is a Fox News headline, but I bet there's a lot more to it. There usually is.\nFYI, Italy is also requiring testing of travelers from China at this time.\nBecause of the high number of cases in China at this time.", ">\n\nSo many dumb replies here. I am sad about where humankind is at.", ">\n\nRound two people", ">\n\nWe need to ramp up testing again at border.", ">\n\nChina trying to stop Covid…lol! Fail miserably at that, build a huge infected population, then unleash it on the world. Great job China /s", ">\n\nSell then the Moderna vaccine so they can treat themselves, ans end this debacle.", ">\n\nEven if US send Moderna and Phizer vaccine, China will not use it, because they boast about \"superior\" Chinese vaccine and don't want to lose face.\n​\nUntil they change their attitude, I suggest keeping restriction in place for PRC travelers.", ">\n\nOh definitely.", ">\n\nCCP exporting covid again.", ">\n\nPaywall - can anyone help me read the article? It sounds great in theory but why wait so long? That’s how this all started in 2020. Test now!", ">\n\nChina has been in quarantine until the protests. They have a very low of vaccinated people, so now everyone's breathing on each other's necks, squeezing in tight places and now introducing another pandemic. \nI believe a combination of everyone quarantined for too long and non vaccinated people are making this a very deadly spread.", ">\n\nTheir vaccination rate is not too bad, except among the elderly. But their vaccine was shit even before all the variants.\nThey've been trying to use lockdown to prevent spread and with the new variants that just won't work.\nSo yeah, they're pretty fucked.", ">\n\nVaccination rate is good, but the rate of people who are up to date on boosters is where they fall short even beyond just the elderly. It also doesn't help that the vaccine being used is overall less effective than the ones being used elsewhere like you said. Makes those booster shots many are lacking even more critical.", ">\n\nApparently Americans only get worried when it’s Chinese people spreading Covid as opposed to their own residents, citizens and Europeans.", ">\n\nseems xenophobic /s", ">\n\noh I'm sure conservatives will be very concerned about the \"freedoms\" of those travelers from China", ">\n\nHow's this going to work for the 75% of all our manufactured goods coming in from China?", ">\n\nThank God Biden is doing this if it was Trump they call him racist .", ">\n\nTrump admin did this and it was hailed as a great idea, because it was. And is.\nWho tf cares who the man or president is when it comes to health? Why are some people like this?", ">\n\nYou know that wasnt true.", ">\n\nWhy would they make a move that would indisputably send hundreds of thousands of infected into the wider world including those that may wind up being infected with a new variant or two? \nCan we at least conclude that China does not care about this possibility? Is that verboten to say?\nCan an axiomatically correct statement still result in a ban?", ">\n\nSounds kinda racist.", ">\n\nMakes absolute sense considering what's currently going on there. Canada should do the same. I'll even go as far as say suspend visas / entry from that part of the world temporarily, until they can get it under control", ">\n\nMakes sense. China is exploding with covid and who knows if/when the next bad variant develops there.", ">\n\nLmao Reddit enjoying their shut in lives so much I’d rather jump off the tallest bridge near me before going into lockdowns again.", ">\n\nXenophobia", ">\n\nXenophobic Biden", ">\n\nPeople are acting like Covid stopped spreading in the US… The US just decided to ignore it, that is until China gained more cases, and now it’s back to fear mongering Chinese people. I see that xenophobia is still alive and well in the US.", ">\n\nMy family and I caught covid during Thanksgiving after being careful for two years. Fortunately, we're all vaccinated so the symptoms didn't hit us too hard. We just got lax with being careful, but we'll probably be wearing our masks in crowded places just to be safe.", ">\n\nI never stopped wearing masks in the US while going to stores. The reality is we have had waves of Covid here in the US, and we have had different mutations of variants too.", ">\n\nThats racist. Biden should be ashamed of himself for allowing such bigotry and hatred towards our Chinese brethren.", ">\n\nThis applies to anyone traveling from China, not just the Chinese.", ">\n\nI wouldn’t think another country was rascist if the USA had a huge surge and temporarily suspended flights to:from the USA until the numbers came down.", ">\n\nSame biological warfare when westerners were entering into China in 2022?", ">\n\n50 Cent army, out in full force!", ">\n\nWhy are we letting anyone in from China?", ">\n\nCitizens and most permanent residents cannot be refused admission.", ">\n\nOh, here we go again.", ">\n\nKind of ironic seeing how the US has worse cases lmao", ">\n\nUS will keep up the bio attacks until the world complies with their foreign policy. Which is to keep China from becoming a threat to its hegemony", ">\n\nWeird how we can’t make our own citizens mask or test but we can make sure travelers from other places do \nWild how absolutely absurd the timeline we’re living in js", ">\n\nGood. We should not allow anyone from any country the opportunity to enter our country without proof.", ">\n\nIt’s not xenophobia, it’s (D)ifferent this time. Maybe if they let trump try this in the first place", ">\n\nThis just adds fuel to racist anti-Asian sentiment in the US. What about all the people on the plane with Chinese travelers who aren't Chinese? If the situation warrants testing of anyone, it warrants testing of everyone.", ">\n\nThis is just politics. Do we really want to pretend we don’t have an overwhelming amount of COVID cases right now in America? Everyone knows most people don’t test unless they’re very sick (which is rare now) and most who even do test use at home tests and don’t report the results. Can we really just not admit to ourselves as a nation that for the overwhelming majority of people COVID no longer poses a serious threat? Hospitalization, death and long COVID are statistically insignificant for healthy vaccinated individuals at this point I don’t see why anyone can see this as anymore than political posturing.", ">\n\nWelcome to the virtue signaling zone.", ">\n\nWell ??? Why wouldn't we check considering their outbreak is significant. Seriously was this a question ?", ">\n\nChina’s authoritarian regime locked down their country for years… this contained rhe virus until mass protests as well as international condemnations. So I believe Chinese govt is teaching their citizens a lesson. Let them roam free and allow international travel into the country. Let them get severely ill and die. Then they will acknowledge and apologize to the government. This type of reverse psychology isn’t new.", ">\n\nWe the People require a vigilant health care approach to our borders at the expense of [Pure Greed] from those who capitalize on what ails us\nWe the People demand all institutions do a readiness check \nAt which time We the People can demand a Meeting of the Continental Congress to address the state of our union, to reboot the principles and powers of the American Constitution and Bill of Rights, to re instate the neutral balance of power in the houses and senate of all levels of our current government[ one party control is not the operation of the United States of America 🇺🇸]", ">\n\nIf only we had this kind of foresight 3 years ago… we could have avoided this whole mess.", ">\n\nAnd Trump was called xenophobic when we asked for the same thing", ">\n\nExactly" ]
> And millions of people, children, the most disadvantaged would die and suffer
[ "People from China will travel through Europe and come in to America from the east coast like they did when the pandemic started. This will do nothing if all travelers aboard aren’t made to test.", ">\n\nLet's hope EU and other countries do the same.", ">\n\nI don't know if they will. Australia (for example) had some of the toughest Covid policies and they've essentially just thrown them all out the window.\nSo I don't know how willing countries are to go back to being overly concerned about Covid.", ">\n\nThey should be concerned w chinese, it's spreading like wildfire in china. If we aren't careful, they will come out w covid 20.", ">\n\nIt’s spreading everywhere including the USA. This policy has nothing to do with science or medicine. It’s just politics.", ">\n\nNo. It’s circulating like mad in a population of 1 billion people who haven’t been exposed before. This is how new variants come about. Every country should require negative Covid test for china at least until it cycles through the population", ">\n\n\nNo. It’s circulating like mad in a population of 1 billion people who haven’t been exposed before.\n\nIt's also spreading like mad in all the countries of the world including the USA.\n\nThis is how new variants come about. \n\nAnd they have been for years now.\n\nEvery country should require negative Covid test for china at least until it cycles through the population\n\nOnly for political reasons. There is no scientific or rational demand for this. \nI get it, you hate china, most americans hate china so just be honest and say what you really mean.", ">\n\nStrains are spreading in the west yes, but there are new strains in China that are spreading and we don't know if our vaccines will work with those strains. We know the Chinese vaccines have a low efficacy rate and we know they are not mRNA vaccines which allow for easier adaptation to new strains. Making travelers with a Chinese passport take Covid tests at any and all airports is not racist or even unfair - a reminder that China has been relatively hard to travel to for the last 2 years because they were locked down to foreign travel as well. This is simply good policy from a public health measure, and you not wanting to see that for what it is and instead attribute it to a nascent American hatred for China is laughable. the World Health Organization estimated close to 800 million new cases in China in the next few months, with another estimate 4 million deaths and countless new strains coming out during that period. This is about protection populations, not punishing China.", ">\n\n\nStrains are spreading in the west yes, but there are new strains in China that are spreading and we don't know if our vaccines will work with those strains.\n\nYou don't know if vaccines work against any new variant even if that variant is from a country populated with white people.\n\nWe know the Chinese vaccines have a low efficacy rate and we know they are not mRNA vaccines which allow for easier adaptation to new strains. \n\nThe vaccine doesn't adapt once inside of your body you know that right?\n\nMaking travelers with a Chinese passport take Covid tests at any and all airports is not racist or even unfair \n\nit's definitely unfair and probably racist as well.\n\nhis is simply good policy from a public health measure, a\n\nA good policy would be to require vaccinations from everybody. Think about it, you are requiring a vaccine that you said doesn't even work. How much sense does that make?\n\nattribute it to a nascent American hatred for China is laughable.\n\nNascent?\n\nThis is about protection populations, not punishing China.\n\nIt's definitely about punishing china, it's a part of the current cold war with China conducted by the USA.", ">\n\n\nYou don't know if vaccines work against any new variant even if that variant is from a country populated with white people.\n\nAll the more reason to not invite more new strains into the country. White population or otherwise has nothing to do with it, expected rise in cases in China does.\n\nThe vaccine doesn't adapt once inside of your body you know that right?\n\nYou missed the point. The point i was making was that the Chinese medical system has not even approached Covid with an mRNA vaccine, and steadfastly refused to license western vaccines. If the vaccine most readily available in China has a 50% efficacy then the population is at more risk of contracting the virus and having negative results. The infection rates are increased with each new case of BA.7 (China is currently seeing each covid patient infecting on average 18 other people represented as 1:18, whereas the in US the rate is 1:3.9). Each of these factors increases the risk of developing new strains that are vaccine resistant. \n\nit's definitely unfair and probably racist as well\n\nIs it your position that nations cannot take any prescriptive action to prevent the spread of infected persons from other countries? Again i would remind you that China has basically been locked down for the last 2 years, with severe limitations to personal freedoms themselves. This is not based on race, but rather a government's inability to contain a contagious outbreak in their own country and not wanting it to spread. \n\nA good policy would be to require vaccinations from everybody. Think about it, you are requiring a vaccine that you said doesn't even work. How much sense does that make?\n\nThat might be your definition on good policy, but it isn't mine and that isn't how the west does it. \"I\" am not requiring a vaccine that \"I\" said doesn't work - that was your suggestion not mine. Also, i said the efficacy of the Chinese vaccine is 50% - based on available information - i never said it didn't work, and i never said that it should be mandatory or required.\n\nNascent?\n\nPoor and wrong word choice on my part it seems. What i meant was ascribing the US decision to require testing of Chinese travelers to racism because you believe that the US is racist is laughable. Taking a test to prove that you are covid negative is far less onerous on a traveler than most visa requirements.\n\nIt's definitely about punishing china, it's a part of the current cold war with China conducted by the USA.\n\nCite your sources. I could point to many Chinese government policies that i could say are part of the current cold war with the US without backing it up and it would be just as credible as what you said. Opinion is not a source, and not proof. You assume that the US government is racist, that this policy is racist and yet we have had travel bans imposed on other countries, as well as testing required for travelers from other countries imposed before, and other policies and so has China. For goodness sake China has been closed to foreigners for almost 3 years, and is still closed to foreign travel until January 2023. Is that a racist policy as well?", ">\n\nHere we go again.\nThis time I think I'll learn French cooking.", ">\n\n5000 People a day will have to die before Anybody says the word Lock down in the States ever again.", ">\n\nDon’t understand why people can’t handle staying at home for two weeks when it could potentially eradicate a deadly virus. Are we that weak?", ">\n\nWe did that in large part in March 2020. And did China not spend years locking down their citizens? \nPeoples savings are gone. They need to work. \nWearing a mask would do a lot to help the issue but people aren’t willing to do that anymore.", ">\n\nWe didn't do that though. We didn't all lock down when we were supposed to. Where I work I had to go in from the very start all the way through. Most people, the majority of people, didn't stay home even if they didn't have work. Most people didn't fuck with masks or keeping a distance, and even people who weren't antivaccers didn't take the vaccine seriously for the longest time. \nWe had no fucking lock down, unless you were a well-off celebrity or comedian who wanted to talk about being locked down for content. \nIf people legit locked down, they would have taken a small hit financially, but too many people didn't do shit and prolonged everything.", ">\n\nThe things is that it doesn't take long to drain peoples saving - becuase the overwhelming majority of people have practically none. \nSo an extended lockdown was never feasible unless the government was willing to pay several trillion dollars of expenses, not just 2 or 3 times but several times over.", ">\n\nI didn't dispute any of what you said. I pointed out that most people actively contested any safety measure and most people didn't actually lock down. Any extension will almost certainly be the fault of most of those people. \nI'd gladly let them all die if it meant the few people who did take things seriously didn't have to live through a Walking Dead scenario or have to take a huge financial hit because them.", ">\n\nMost people did lock down just fine initially. After a few weeks turned into a month or more, yeah people got testy.\nAdditionally, a gigantic amount of people work in critical industries and simply cant stay home. Just keeping the lights and water on requires tens of millions of workers, plus industries like plants and refineries that simply cannot shut down without massive long-term consequences.\nReddit is full of office people who can WFH, the vast majority of people cant.", ">\n\nI was one of those who couldn't stay home. Right out of the gate most people gave up on almost all of it except when they were making a show of complying when they had to. There was a lot of cheating. I walk through a lot of different areas. The waves of patients and bodies we got at work tracked with that and became predictable.", ">\n\nWhat’s that saying that ends with ”…doomed to repeat it?”", ">\n\nWhy not just require a negative test from everyone?", ">\n\nWho would you expect to pay for that?", ">\n\nGovernments or sponsors from the private sector ideally, I honestly don’t give a fuck. I’ve gotten many free tests from both and I’ve also bought some for like $8.", ">\n\n“Here we go again” from everyone in the comments. \nThe virus never stopped, we did.", ">\n\nVirus will always be there. Permanent restrictions are unsustainable", ">\n\n3 years later...\nIs this permanent?", ">\n\nI doubt there's anything that would make Republicans running in 2024 happier then Democrats advocating for a return to COVID restrictions.", ">\n\nRight? It’d be like the democrats fighting for gun control, or gay and trans rights, or safe and legal abortions. It would be political suicide to stand for something that Republicans don’t like!", ">\n\nMy understanding is that everything you listed is broadly popular or has at least a majority of American's in favor of it. A return to COVID restrictions is not in that category.", ">\n\nGun control isn’t even universally loved amongst the American left, as the hard left needs them for protection from the hard right they clash with, and the middle left does like having their guns taken as much as any middle right wing does, only mid left likes it", ">\n\nGallup has 57% of Americans feeling that in general gun laws should be more strict.", ">\n\nRegular people want kids to stop dying while in school. The problem is \"stricter laws\" is vague and no one can agree on what it means or give a serious proposal that would work, short of confiscation and bans, which are wildly unpopular.", ">\n\nVague political talking points is the best we’re going to get. Much as I’d love a Ross Perot style of breaking down every platform and promise, the general public doesn’t go for it. Buzz words are all we have the attention span for.", ">\n\nChina's COVID-19 surge raises odds of new coronavirus variants\nThings could get very ugly.", ">\n\nYou say this like covid hasn't been spreading rampantly through literally every country on the planet, mostly without any measures to stop the spread. Why does China get a different treatment and maybe countries should require tests from the US or Inida or Europe?", ">\n\nI agree. US was primarily the culprit of why COVID went rampant to begin with. We actively refused to enforce any sort of safety measures, just a mild suggestion of \"maybe wear a mask, if you want to, it's ok if you don't\" and \"we have vaccines if you want one, no pressure tho\". That was really our response to the world's deadliest pandemic.", ">\n\nWe actively made fun of zero covid approaches on reddit and now based on the comments on this thread we are suddenly pro “zero covid” approaches", ">\n\nEveryone finally watched contagion", ">\n\nSo far my 2023 bingo card is reading alooot of skull and crossbones, I think I might actually win at something next year, what does your score card look like?", ">\n\nWhen’s that $1200 going to hit my account?", ">\n\nI’m still living off mine from last time!", ">\n\nI’m still looking for mine", ">\n\nI’m waiting for that $600 bucks from Biden still, but that’s going right into my retirement!", ">\n\nYou dont get he meant to include any money you already received as well /s", ">\n\nI seem to remember campaign ads with $2000 checks.", ">\n\nYep they explicitly mentioned $2,000 checks.", ">\n\nMy comment was sarcasm but in retrospect there are so many neoliberals saying that word for word in all seriousness that I should and will add a sarcasm tag", ">\n\nThat's nice and all, but let's not act like we're not just ignoring our own COVID problems.", ">\n\n\n\"You don't have zero tolerance anymore? We can't tolerate that.\"\n\n- Country with 100% tolerance", ">\n\nWhy not require a negative COVID test from everyone entering the country? It’s like they don’t want COVID to be under control.", ">\n\nI think this is because China has a relatively low vaccination rate because they relied on lock downs. Now that lock downs are being ramped down, they are having a huge surge.", ">\n\nThe vaccination rate in China is considerably higher than the US (92% vs 81%). This is just another example of yellow peril", ">\n\nThank you for pointing this out. What I said above was wrong about the vaccination rate. I don’t know why exactly China is having a surge. 🤷‍♂️", ">\n\nTheir vaccination rate is high but their vaccine, SinoVac is based on old tech. It conveys effectively zero protection from variants when compared to all the other types of vaccines on the market.", ">\n\nYou guys are so full of shit. At 3 doses Sinovac gives the same protection as any western vaccine with boosters to help mitigate mutated variants. Stop spreading misinfo.", ">\n\n\"Does that thumbnail of someone getting tested read too much like 'screaming uselessly into the void'?\"\n\"I'm sure it'll be fine.\"", ">\n\nMaybe, just maybe they shouldnt have stopped testing airplane passengers in the first place... \nWe have cheap, readily available tests that take 10 minutes to complete. There’s really no reason not to test ever passenger before boarding...", ">\n\nEveryone I know who had Omicron tested negative until their symptoms cleared. It was evading the RATs, for some reason.", ">\n\nI tested positive on a rapid test two days after getting congested. Every teacher coworker of mine who bothered to test after getting cold symptoms also did. I think it's why so few parents now test their kids before sending time to school sick. They don't want to know so we all find out when we or our family members then test positive, missing work on their sick kids' behalf so they didn't have to. \nI have also heard the rapid test can give false negatives but anecdotal references don't mean much.", ">\n\nA day late and a dollar short. Same old song and dance.", ">\n\nWow, it’s like history literally repeating itself.", ">\n\nIndeed it is. I hope everyone is prepared for what’s next.", ">\n\nWe should require negative COVID tests for people to fly within the US, too.\nIt makes no difference to me if the person who infects me at LAX is coming in from China, or from Texas.", ">\n\nThere is a high chance anyone that comes from China has Covid right now. Low chance that someone inside America has.", ">\n\nNaw. China’s percent is much higher, sure, but it’s not like US infection rates are low. You can pretty much guarantee an infected American on every sold out domestic flight. The latest variants are super, super contagious, and it only takes one infected person to pose a serious risk to the other people sharing their space, and then all of their families and friends after they land. All flights should still require testing and masking at this point, or all we’ve really accomplished is pacifying the dimwits and xenophobes.\nI know at least 3 people who 100% contracted COVID while flying domestically in the US this last month - because they were isolated for the incubation period beforehand. They were masked the entire time they were in the airport and on the plane.", ">\n\nIf they were masked up and I assume vaccinated and still caught the virus then preventable measures like these aren’t that effective.", ">\n\nIs there a new strain of Covid that isn't in the U.S yet, otherwise what's the point.", ">\n\nUm testing should not ever stop.", ">\n\nAh shit here we go again", ">\n\n\"Who left the fridge open?\"", ">\n\nIt's \"just a cold\" unless it's a non-white person from another country carrying it.\n/s", ">\n\nChina implemented an ineffective vaccine and had 30m+ cases in one day. It’s specifically that gov. refusing to use effective vaccines", ">\n\nAnd the United States had effective vaccines that half the country is not willing to nor willing to wear masks, while complaining to other countries like China about their travel restrictions (from China and Hong Kong). And honestly I’m not oppose to a tighter restriction on China while they are experiencing a surge in new cases just as it did with any other countries that initially loosen covid restrictions, what makes me question this being race or politically motivated is the hypocrisy; people complained about China being oppressive when it was enforcing all the covid restrictions and when they loosen it “China doesn’t care about human lives”.\nSo what exactly do you want them to do?", ">\n\n\nto Require Negative Covid Tests for Travelers From China\n\nLuckily China is well known for its systemic unwillingness to fake or counterfeit things, so everything should be fine.\nhonest.", ">\n\nSeems purely retaliatory with no actual effectiveness.\nEnforcement is over a week away and presumably China has hit its peak already (flights being 40% positive)", ">\n\nThe rich rats are going to buy fake tests and jump ship breaking quarantine just like they did in the first wave. Cutting flights or enforcing quarantines is the only way to prevent this stuff from jumping oceans but god forbid anybody inhibit the jet setters.", ">\n\nHALF of the passengers on a plane from China going to Italy tested positive the other day (tested on arrival). Chances are most if not all of them had negative test results they could show that they took before they left. This won't do anything to stop people coming into the US while positive..we are going to have to go through this all over again and we won't have the same somewhat cooperative response in the US this time if it is a variant that evades immunity... It will get REALLY bad.", ">\n\nSeriously they know red states will just let them in and will never do another shut down again. So start dealt with out break countries this way to slow it down or corner it. But I see very very bad days ahead for China and Russia is starting to report out breaks too.", ">\n\nMust. When?", ">\n\nWe already require this from canada iirc\nEdit: i was wrong, canada requires it from us.", ">\n\nI hope we are talking PCR tests... those store-bought 15-minute ones struggle to get a positive if you have any sort of vaccination, even while symptomatic and miserable.", ">\n\nWell, a little bit of good news. I'll take it.", ">\n\nTravel should have been 100$ restricted a long time ago. Travel should be restricted to any country experiencing a COVID outbreak.", ">\n\nWonderful. Another round of Asian hating.", ">\n\nWho's hating on Asians? We're trying to stop this virus from killing people.", ">\n\nor… ban flights from china??", ">\n\nDoesn’t make sense in singling out China when covid is widespread in every single country", ">\n\nThe extent of covid in china atm is just absurd. Two weeks ago, they had 37 MILLION cases in one day. Think about that. Thats more people than a lot of countries! \nsource", ">\n\nI wonder why China has so much trouble with COVID compared to other countries, despite being so strict.", ">\n\nIt’s because they had the zero covid approaches that people are advocating for in this thread and they suddenly reversed course. Everyone in China is getting it so fast its likely the same variants quickly spreading in a population that suddenly reversed course. Having many people getting it over time and exposed to new generations of the virus (which is what happens over time) is more insidious but people here think thats fine", ">\n\nEveryone saying this is racist, do not pay attention to the world", ">\n\nIt was called racist and xenophobic when Trump did it. The left are hypocritical emotional wrecks.", ">\n\nnah trump was racist or did you forget he called it the “china virus” and subsequent hate crimes increased against adians", ">\n\nLet’s not change the subject. We’re talking about testing travelers from China here. Always trying to deflect.", ">\n\nIs that what he did, though? That and nothing else? This is a Fox News headline, but I bet there's a lot more to it. There usually is.\nFYI, Italy is also requiring testing of travelers from China at this time.\nBecause of the high number of cases in China at this time.", ">\n\nSo many dumb replies here. I am sad about where humankind is at.", ">\n\nRound two people", ">\n\nWe need to ramp up testing again at border.", ">\n\nChina trying to stop Covid…lol! Fail miserably at that, build a huge infected population, then unleash it on the world. Great job China /s", ">\n\nSell then the Moderna vaccine so they can treat themselves, ans end this debacle.", ">\n\nEven if US send Moderna and Phizer vaccine, China will not use it, because they boast about \"superior\" Chinese vaccine and don't want to lose face.\n​\nUntil they change their attitude, I suggest keeping restriction in place for PRC travelers.", ">\n\nOh definitely.", ">\n\nCCP exporting covid again.", ">\n\nPaywall - can anyone help me read the article? It sounds great in theory but why wait so long? That’s how this all started in 2020. Test now!", ">\n\nChina has been in quarantine until the protests. They have a very low of vaccinated people, so now everyone's breathing on each other's necks, squeezing in tight places and now introducing another pandemic. \nI believe a combination of everyone quarantined for too long and non vaccinated people are making this a very deadly spread.", ">\n\nTheir vaccination rate is not too bad, except among the elderly. But their vaccine was shit even before all the variants.\nThey've been trying to use lockdown to prevent spread and with the new variants that just won't work.\nSo yeah, they're pretty fucked.", ">\n\nVaccination rate is good, but the rate of people who are up to date on boosters is where they fall short even beyond just the elderly. It also doesn't help that the vaccine being used is overall less effective than the ones being used elsewhere like you said. Makes those booster shots many are lacking even more critical.", ">\n\nApparently Americans only get worried when it’s Chinese people spreading Covid as opposed to their own residents, citizens and Europeans.", ">\n\nseems xenophobic /s", ">\n\noh I'm sure conservatives will be very concerned about the \"freedoms\" of those travelers from China", ">\n\nHow's this going to work for the 75% of all our manufactured goods coming in from China?", ">\n\nThank God Biden is doing this if it was Trump they call him racist .", ">\n\nTrump admin did this and it was hailed as a great idea, because it was. And is.\nWho tf cares who the man or president is when it comes to health? Why are some people like this?", ">\n\nYou know that wasnt true.", ">\n\nWhy would they make a move that would indisputably send hundreds of thousands of infected into the wider world including those that may wind up being infected with a new variant or two? \nCan we at least conclude that China does not care about this possibility? Is that verboten to say?\nCan an axiomatically correct statement still result in a ban?", ">\n\nSounds kinda racist.", ">\n\nMakes absolute sense considering what's currently going on there. Canada should do the same. I'll even go as far as say suspend visas / entry from that part of the world temporarily, until they can get it under control", ">\n\nMakes sense. China is exploding with covid and who knows if/when the next bad variant develops there.", ">\n\nLmao Reddit enjoying their shut in lives so much I’d rather jump off the tallest bridge near me before going into lockdowns again.", ">\n\nXenophobia", ">\n\nXenophobic Biden", ">\n\nPeople are acting like Covid stopped spreading in the US… The US just decided to ignore it, that is until China gained more cases, and now it’s back to fear mongering Chinese people. I see that xenophobia is still alive and well in the US.", ">\n\nMy family and I caught covid during Thanksgiving after being careful for two years. Fortunately, we're all vaccinated so the symptoms didn't hit us too hard. We just got lax with being careful, but we'll probably be wearing our masks in crowded places just to be safe.", ">\n\nI never stopped wearing masks in the US while going to stores. The reality is we have had waves of Covid here in the US, and we have had different mutations of variants too.", ">\n\nThats racist. Biden should be ashamed of himself for allowing such bigotry and hatred towards our Chinese brethren.", ">\n\nThis applies to anyone traveling from China, not just the Chinese.", ">\n\nI wouldn’t think another country was rascist if the USA had a huge surge and temporarily suspended flights to:from the USA until the numbers came down.", ">\n\nSame biological warfare when westerners were entering into China in 2022?", ">\n\n50 Cent army, out in full force!", ">\n\nWhy are we letting anyone in from China?", ">\n\nCitizens and most permanent residents cannot be refused admission.", ">\n\nOh, here we go again.", ">\n\nKind of ironic seeing how the US has worse cases lmao", ">\n\nUS will keep up the bio attacks until the world complies with their foreign policy. Which is to keep China from becoming a threat to its hegemony", ">\n\nWeird how we can’t make our own citizens mask or test but we can make sure travelers from other places do \nWild how absolutely absurd the timeline we’re living in js", ">\n\nGood. We should not allow anyone from any country the opportunity to enter our country without proof.", ">\n\nIt’s not xenophobia, it’s (D)ifferent this time. Maybe if they let trump try this in the first place", ">\n\nThis just adds fuel to racist anti-Asian sentiment in the US. What about all the people on the plane with Chinese travelers who aren't Chinese? If the situation warrants testing of anyone, it warrants testing of everyone.", ">\n\nThis is just politics. Do we really want to pretend we don’t have an overwhelming amount of COVID cases right now in America? Everyone knows most people don’t test unless they’re very sick (which is rare now) and most who even do test use at home tests and don’t report the results. Can we really just not admit to ourselves as a nation that for the overwhelming majority of people COVID no longer poses a serious threat? Hospitalization, death and long COVID are statistically insignificant for healthy vaccinated individuals at this point I don’t see why anyone can see this as anymore than political posturing.", ">\n\nWelcome to the virtue signaling zone.", ">\n\nWell ??? Why wouldn't we check considering their outbreak is significant. Seriously was this a question ?", ">\n\nChina’s authoritarian regime locked down their country for years… this contained rhe virus until mass protests as well as international condemnations. So I believe Chinese govt is teaching their citizens a lesson. Let them roam free and allow international travel into the country. Let them get severely ill and die. Then they will acknowledge and apologize to the government. This type of reverse psychology isn’t new.", ">\n\nWe the People require a vigilant health care approach to our borders at the expense of [Pure Greed] from those who capitalize on what ails us\nWe the People demand all institutions do a readiness check \nAt which time We the People can demand a Meeting of the Continental Congress to address the state of our union, to reboot the principles and powers of the American Constitution and Bill of Rights, to re instate the neutral balance of power in the houses and senate of all levels of our current government[ one party control is not the operation of the United States of America 🇺🇸]", ">\n\nIf only we had this kind of foresight 3 years ago… we could have avoided this whole mess.", ">\n\nAnd Trump was called xenophobic when we asked for the same thing", ">\n\nExactly", ">\n\nWe should have another global 2020-tier lockdown period, imo. Work at home, way less flights active etc." ]
> I feel like they need to extend this restriction to all of Europe as well. It’s already spread outside of China.
[ "People from China will travel through Europe and come in to America from the east coast like they did when the pandemic started. This will do nothing if all travelers aboard aren’t made to test.", ">\n\nLet's hope EU and other countries do the same.", ">\n\nI don't know if they will. Australia (for example) had some of the toughest Covid policies and they've essentially just thrown them all out the window.\nSo I don't know how willing countries are to go back to being overly concerned about Covid.", ">\n\nThey should be concerned w chinese, it's spreading like wildfire in china. If we aren't careful, they will come out w covid 20.", ">\n\nIt’s spreading everywhere including the USA. This policy has nothing to do with science or medicine. It’s just politics.", ">\n\nNo. It’s circulating like mad in a population of 1 billion people who haven’t been exposed before. This is how new variants come about. Every country should require negative Covid test for china at least until it cycles through the population", ">\n\n\nNo. It’s circulating like mad in a population of 1 billion people who haven’t been exposed before.\n\nIt's also spreading like mad in all the countries of the world including the USA.\n\nThis is how new variants come about. \n\nAnd they have been for years now.\n\nEvery country should require negative Covid test for china at least until it cycles through the population\n\nOnly for political reasons. There is no scientific or rational demand for this. \nI get it, you hate china, most americans hate china so just be honest and say what you really mean.", ">\n\nStrains are spreading in the west yes, but there are new strains in China that are spreading and we don't know if our vaccines will work with those strains. We know the Chinese vaccines have a low efficacy rate and we know they are not mRNA vaccines which allow for easier adaptation to new strains. Making travelers with a Chinese passport take Covid tests at any and all airports is not racist or even unfair - a reminder that China has been relatively hard to travel to for the last 2 years because they were locked down to foreign travel as well. This is simply good policy from a public health measure, and you not wanting to see that for what it is and instead attribute it to a nascent American hatred for China is laughable. the World Health Organization estimated close to 800 million new cases in China in the next few months, with another estimate 4 million deaths and countless new strains coming out during that period. This is about protection populations, not punishing China.", ">\n\n\nStrains are spreading in the west yes, but there are new strains in China that are spreading and we don't know if our vaccines will work with those strains.\n\nYou don't know if vaccines work against any new variant even if that variant is from a country populated with white people.\n\nWe know the Chinese vaccines have a low efficacy rate and we know they are not mRNA vaccines which allow for easier adaptation to new strains. \n\nThe vaccine doesn't adapt once inside of your body you know that right?\n\nMaking travelers with a Chinese passport take Covid tests at any and all airports is not racist or even unfair \n\nit's definitely unfair and probably racist as well.\n\nhis is simply good policy from a public health measure, a\n\nA good policy would be to require vaccinations from everybody. Think about it, you are requiring a vaccine that you said doesn't even work. How much sense does that make?\n\nattribute it to a nascent American hatred for China is laughable.\n\nNascent?\n\nThis is about protection populations, not punishing China.\n\nIt's definitely about punishing china, it's a part of the current cold war with China conducted by the USA.", ">\n\n\nYou don't know if vaccines work against any new variant even if that variant is from a country populated with white people.\n\nAll the more reason to not invite more new strains into the country. White population or otherwise has nothing to do with it, expected rise in cases in China does.\n\nThe vaccine doesn't adapt once inside of your body you know that right?\n\nYou missed the point. The point i was making was that the Chinese medical system has not even approached Covid with an mRNA vaccine, and steadfastly refused to license western vaccines. If the vaccine most readily available in China has a 50% efficacy then the population is at more risk of contracting the virus and having negative results. The infection rates are increased with each new case of BA.7 (China is currently seeing each covid patient infecting on average 18 other people represented as 1:18, whereas the in US the rate is 1:3.9). Each of these factors increases the risk of developing new strains that are vaccine resistant. \n\nit's definitely unfair and probably racist as well\n\nIs it your position that nations cannot take any prescriptive action to prevent the spread of infected persons from other countries? Again i would remind you that China has basically been locked down for the last 2 years, with severe limitations to personal freedoms themselves. This is not based on race, but rather a government's inability to contain a contagious outbreak in their own country and not wanting it to spread. \n\nA good policy would be to require vaccinations from everybody. Think about it, you are requiring a vaccine that you said doesn't even work. How much sense does that make?\n\nThat might be your definition on good policy, but it isn't mine and that isn't how the west does it. \"I\" am not requiring a vaccine that \"I\" said doesn't work - that was your suggestion not mine. Also, i said the efficacy of the Chinese vaccine is 50% - based on available information - i never said it didn't work, and i never said that it should be mandatory or required.\n\nNascent?\n\nPoor and wrong word choice on my part it seems. What i meant was ascribing the US decision to require testing of Chinese travelers to racism because you believe that the US is racist is laughable. Taking a test to prove that you are covid negative is far less onerous on a traveler than most visa requirements.\n\nIt's definitely about punishing china, it's a part of the current cold war with China conducted by the USA.\n\nCite your sources. I could point to many Chinese government policies that i could say are part of the current cold war with the US without backing it up and it would be just as credible as what you said. Opinion is not a source, and not proof. You assume that the US government is racist, that this policy is racist and yet we have had travel bans imposed on other countries, as well as testing required for travelers from other countries imposed before, and other policies and so has China. For goodness sake China has been closed to foreigners for almost 3 years, and is still closed to foreign travel until January 2023. Is that a racist policy as well?", ">\n\nHere we go again.\nThis time I think I'll learn French cooking.", ">\n\n5000 People a day will have to die before Anybody says the word Lock down in the States ever again.", ">\n\nDon’t understand why people can’t handle staying at home for two weeks when it could potentially eradicate a deadly virus. Are we that weak?", ">\n\nWe did that in large part in March 2020. And did China not spend years locking down their citizens? \nPeoples savings are gone. They need to work. \nWearing a mask would do a lot to help the issue but people aren’t willing to do that anymore.", ">\n\nWe didn't do that though. We didn't all lock down when we were supposed to. Where I work I had to go in from the very start all the way through. Most people, the majority of people, didn't stay home even if they didn't have work. Most people didn't fuck with masks or keeping a distance, and even people who weren't antivaccers didn't take the vaccine seriously for the longest time. \nWe had no fucking lock down, unless you were a well-off celebrity or comedian who wanted to talk about being locked down for content. \nIf people legit locked down, they would have taken a small hit financially, but too many people didn't do shit and prolonged everything.", ">\n\nThe things is that it doesn't take long to drain peoples saving - becuase the overwhelming majority of people have practically none. \nSo an extended lockdown was never feasible unless the government was willing to pay several trillion dollars of expenses, not just 2 or 3 times but several times over.", ">\n\nI didn't dispute any of what you said. I pointed out that most people actively contested any safety measure and most people didn't actually lock down. Any extension will almost certainly be the fault of most of those people. \nI'd gladly let them all die if it meant the few people who did take things seriously didn't have to live through a Walking Dead scenario or have to take a huge financial hit because them.", ">\n\nMost people did lock down just fine initially. After a few weeks turned into a month or more, yeah people got testy.\nAdditionally, a gigantic amount of people work in critical industries and simply cant stay home. Just keeping the lights and water on requires tens of millions of workers, plus industries like plants and refineries that simply cannot shut down without massive long-term consequences.\nReddit is full of office people who can WFH, the vast majority of people cant.", ">\n\nI was one of those who couldn't stay home. Right out of the gate most people gave up on almost all of it except when they were making a show of complying when they had to. There was a lot of cheating. I walk through a lot of different areas. The waves of patients and bodies we got at work tracked with that and became predictable.", ">\n\nWhat’s that saying that ends with ”…doomed to repeat it?”", ">\n\nWhy not just require a negative test from everyone?", ">\n\nWho would you expect to pay for that?", ">\n\nGovernments or sponsors from the private sector ideally, I honestly don’t give a fuck. I’ve gotten many free tests from both and I’ve also bought some for like $8.", ">\n\n“Here we go again” from everyone in the comments. \nThe virus never stopped, we did.", ">\n\nVirus will always be there. Permanent restrictions are unsustainable", ">\n\n3 years later...\nIs this permanent?", ">\n\nI doubt there's anything that would make Republicans running in 2024 happier then Democrats advocating for a return to COVID restrictions.", ">\n\nRight? It’d be like the democrats fighting for gun control, or gay and trans rights, or safe and legal abortions. It would be political suicide to stand for something that Republicans don’t like!", ">\n\nMy understanding is that everything you listed is broadly popular or has at least a majority of American's in favor of it. A return to COVID restrictions is not in that category.", ">\n\nGun control isn’t even universally loved amongst the American left, as the hard left needs them for protection from the hard right they clash with, and the middle left does like having their guns taken as much as any middle right wing does, only mid left likes it", ">\n\nGallup has 57% of Americans feeling that in general gun laws should be more strict.", ">\n\nRegular people want kids to stop dying while in school. The problem is \"stricter laws\" is vague and no one can agree on what it means or give a serious proposal that would work, short of confiscation and bans, which are wildly unpopular.", ">\n\nVague political talking points is the best we’re going to get. Much as I’d love a Ross Perot style of breaking down every platform and promise, the general public doesn’t go for it. Buzz words are all we have the attention span for.", ">\n\nChina's COVID-19 surge raises odds of new coronavirus variants\nThings could get very ugly.", ">\n\nYou say this like covid hasn't been spreading rampantly through literally every country on the planet, mostly without any measures to stop the spread. Why does China get a different treatment and maybe countries should require tests from the US or Inida or Europe?", ">\n\nI agree. US was primarily the culprit of why COVID went rampant to begin with. We actively refused to enforce any sort of safety measures, just a mild suggestion of \"maybe wear a mask, if you want to, it's ok if you don't\" and \"we have vaccines if you want one, no pressure tho\". That was really our response to the world's deadliest pandemic.", ">\n\nWe actively made fun of zero covid approaches on reddit and now based on the comments on this thread we are suddenly pro “zero covid” approaches", ">\n\nEveryone finally watched contagion", ">\n\nSo far my 2023 bingo card is reading alooot of skull and crossbones, I think I might actually win at something next year, what does your score card look like?", ">\n\nWhen’s that $1200 going to hit my account?", ">\n\nI’m still living off mine from last time!", ">\n\nI’m still looking for mine", ">\n\nI’m waiting for that $600 bucks from Biden still, but that’s going right into my retirement!", ">\n\nYou dont get he meant to include any money you already received as well /s", ">\n\nI seem to remember campaign ads with $2000 checks.", ">\n\nYep they explicitly mentioned $2,000 checks.", ">\n\nMy comment was sarcasm but in retrospect there are so many neoliberals saying that word for word in all seriousness that I should and will add a sarcasm tag", ">\n\nThat's nice and all, but let's not act like we're not just ignoring our own COVID problems.", ">\n\n\n\"You don't have zero tolerance anymore? We can't tolerate that.\"\n\n- Country with 100% tolerance", ">\n\nWhy not require a negative COVID test from everyone entering the country? It’s like they don’t want COVID to be under control.", ">\n\nI think this is because China has a relatively low vaccination rate because they relied on lock downs. Now that lock downs are being ramped down, they are having a huge surge.", ">\n\nThe vaccination rate in China is considerably higher than the US (92% vs 81%). This is just another example of yellow peril", ">\n\nThank you for pointing this out. What I said above was wrong about the vaccination rate. I don’t know why exactly China is having a surge. 🤷‍♂️", ">\n\nTheir vaccination rate is high but their vaccine, SinoVac is based on old tech. It conveys effectively zero protection from variants when compared to all the other types of vaccines on the market.", ">\n\nYou guys are so full of shit. At 3 doses Sinovac gives the same protection as any western vaccine with boosters to help mitigate mutated variants. Stop spreading misinfo.", ">\n\n\"Does that thumbnail of someone getting tested read too much like 'screaming uselessly into the void'?\"\n\"I'm sure it'll be fine.\"", ">\n\nMaybe, just maybe they shouldnt have stopped testing airplane passengers in the first place... \nWe have cheap, readily available tests that take 10 minutes to complete. There’s really no reason not to test ever passenger before boarding...", ">\n\nEveryone I know who had Omicron tested negative until their symptoms cleared. It was evading the RATs, for some reason.", ">\n\nI tested positive on a rapid test two days after getting congested. Every teacher coworker of mine who bothered to test after getting cold symptoms also did. I think it's why so few parents now test their kids before sending time to school sick. They don't want to know so we all find out when we or our family members then test positive, missing work on their sick kids' behalf so they didn't have to. \nI have also heard the rapid test can give false negatives but anecdotal references don't mean much.", ">\n\nA day late and a dollar short. Same old song and dance.", ">\n\nWow, it’s like history literally repeating itself.", ">\n\nIndeed it is. I hope everyone is prepared for what’s next.", ">\n\nWe should require negative COVID tests for people to fly within the US, too.\nIt makes no difference to me if the person who infects me at LAX is coming in from China, or from Texas.", ">\n\nThere is a high chance anyone that comes from China has Covid right now. Low chance that someone inside America has.", ">\n\nNaw. China’s percent is much higher, sure, but it’s not like US infection rates are low. You can pretty much guarantee an infected American on every sold out domestic flight. The latest variants are super, super contagious, and it only takes one infected person to pose a serious risk to the other people sharing their space, and then all of their families and friends after they land. All flights should still require testing and masking at this point, or all we’ve really accomplished is pacifying the dimwits and xenophobes.\nI know at least 3 people who 100% contracted COVID while flying domestically in the US this last month - because they were isolated for the incubation period beforehand. They were masked the entire time they were in the airport and on the plane.", ">\n\nIf they were masked up and I assume vaccinated and still caught the virus then preventable measures like these aren’t that effective.", ">\n\nIs there a new strain of Covid that isn't in the U.S yet, otherwise what's the point.", ">\n\nUm testing should not ever stop.", ">\n\nAh shit here we go again", ">\n\n\"Who left the fridge open?\"", ">\n\nIt's \"just a cold\" unless it's a non-white person from another country carrying it.\n/s", ">\n\nChina implemented an ineffective vaccine and had 30m+ cases in one day. It’s specifically that gov. refusing to use effective vaccines", ">\n\nAnd the United States had effective vaccines that half the country is not willing to nor willing to wear masks, while complaining to other countries like China about their travel restrictions (from China and Hong Kong). And honestly I’m not oppose to a tighter restriction on China while they are experiencing a surge in new cases just as it did with any other countries that initially loosen covid restrictions, what makes me question this being race or politically motivated is the hypocrisy; people complained about China being oppressive when it was enforcing all the covid restrictions and when they loosen it “China doesn’t care about human lives”.\nSo what exactly do you want them to do?", ">\n\n\nto Require Negative Covid Tests for Travelers From China\n\nLuckily China is well known for its systemic unwillingness to fake or counterfeit things, so everything should be fine.\nhonest.", ">\n\nSeems purely retaliatory with no actual effectiveness.\nEnforcement is over a week away and presumably China has hit its peak already (flights being 40% positive)", ">\n\nThe rich rats are going to buy fake tests and jump ship breaking quarantine just like they did in the first wave. Cutting flights or enforcing quarantines is the only way to prevent this stuff from jumping oceans but god forbid anybody inhibit the jet setters.", ">\n\nHALF of the passengers on a plane from China going to Italy tested positive the other day (tested on arrival). Chances are most if not all of them had negative test results they could show that they took before they left. This won't do anything to stop people coming into the US while positive..we are going to have to go through this all over again and we won't have the same somewhat cooperative response in the US this time if it is a variant that evades immunity... It will get REALLY bad.", ">\n\nSeriously they know red states will just let them in and will never do another shut down again. So start dealt with out break countries this way to slow it down or corner it. But I see very very bad days ahead for China and Russia is starting to report out breaks too.", ">\n\nMust. When?", ">\n\nWe already require this from canada iirc\nEdit: i was wrong, canada requires it from us.", ">\n\nI hope we are talking PCR tests... those store-bought 15-minute ones struggle to get a positive if you have any sort of vaccination, even while symptomatic and miserable.", ">\n\nWell, a little bit of good news. I'll take it.", ">\n\nTravel should have been 100$ restricted a long time ago. Travel should be restricted to any country experiencing a COVID outbreak.", ">\n\nWonderful. Another round of Asian hating.", ">\n\nWho's hating on Asians? We're trying to stop this virus from killing people.", ">\n\nor… ban flights from china??", ">\n\nDoesn’t make sense in singling out China when covid is widespread in every single country", ">\n\nThe extent of covid in china atm is just absurd. Two weeks ago, they had 37 MILLION cases in one day. Think about that. Thats more people than a lot of countries! \nsource", ">\n\nI wonder why China has so much trouble with COVID compared to other countries, despite being so strict.", ">\n\nIt’s because they had the zero covid approaches that people are advocating for in this thread and they suddenly reversed course. Everyone in China is getting it so fast its likely the same variants quickly spreading in a population that suddenly reversed course. Having many people getting it over time and exposed to new generations of the virus (which is what happens over time) is more insidious but people here think thats fine", ">\n\nEveryone saying this is racist, do not pay attention to the world", ">\n\nIt was called racist and xenophobic when Trump did it. The left are hypocritical emotional wrecks.", ">\n\nnah trump was racist or did you forget he called it the “china virus” and subsequent hate crimes increased against adians", ">\n\nLet’s not change the subject. We’re talking about testing travelers from China here. Always trying to deflect.", ">\n\nIs that what he did, though? That and nothing else? This is a Fox News headline, but I bet there's a lot more to it. There usually is.\nFYI, Italy is also requiring testing of travelers from China at this time.\nBecause of the high number of cases in China at this time.", ">\n\nSo many dumb replies here. I am sad about where humankind is at.", ">\n\nRound two people", ">\n\nWe need to ramp up testing again at border.", ">\n\nChina trying to stop Covid…lol! Fail miserably at that, build a huge infected population, then unleash it on the world. Great job China /s", ">\n\nSell then the Moderna vaccine so they can treat themselves, ans end this debacle.", ">\n\nEven if US send Moderna and Phizer vaccine, China will not use it, because they boast about \"superior\" Chinese vaccine and don't want to lose face.\n​\nUntil they change their attitude, I suggest keeping restriction in place for PRC travelers.", ">\n\nOh definitely.", ">\n\nCCP exporting covid again.", ">\n\nPaywall - can anyone help me read the article? It sounds great in theory but why wait so long? That’s how this all started in 2020. Test now!", ">\n\nChina has been in quarantine until the protests. They have a very low of vaccinated people, so now everyone's breathing on each other's necks, squeezing in tight places and now introducing another pandemic. \nI believe a combination of everyone quarantined for too long and non vaccinated people are making this a very deadly spread.", ">\n\nTheir vaccination rate is not too bad, except among the elderly. But their vaccine was shit even before all the variants.\nThey've been trying to use lockdown to prevent spread and with the new variants that just won't work.\nSo yeah, they're pretty fucked.", ">\n\nVaccination rate is good, but the rate of people who are up to date on boosters is where they fall short even beyond just the elderly. It also doesn't help that the vaccine being used is overall less effective than the ones being used elsewhere like you said. Makes those booster shots many are lacking even more critical.", ">\n\nApparently Americans only get worried when it’s Chinese people spreading Covid as opposed to their own residents, citizens and Europeans.", ">\n\nseems xenophobic /s", ">\n\noh I'm sure conservatives will be very concerned about the \"freedoms\" of those travelers from China", ">\n\nHow's this going to work for the 75% of all our manufactured goods coming in from China?", ">\n\nThank God Biden is doing this if it was Trump they call him racist .", ">\n\nTrump admin did this and it was hailed as a great idea, because it was. And is.\nWho tf cares who the man or president is when it comes to health? Why are some people like this?", ">\n\nYou know that wasnt true.", ">\n\nWhy would they make a move that would indisputably send hundreds of thousands of infected into the wider world including those that may wind up being infected with a new variant or two? \nCan we at least conclude that China does not care about this possibility? Is that verboten to say?\nCan an axiomatically correct statement still result in a ban?", ">\n\nSounds kinda racist.", ">\n\nMakes absolute sense considering what's currently going on there. Canada should do the same. I'll even go as far as say suspend visas / entry from that part of the world temporarily, until they can get it under control", ">\n\nMakes sense. China is exploding with covid and who knows if/when the next bad variant develops there.", ">\n\nLmao Reddit enjoying their shut in lives so much I’d rather jump off the tallest bridge near me before going into lockdowns again.", ">\n\nXenophobia", ">\n\nXenophobic Biden", ">\n\nPeople are acting like Covid stopped spreading in the US… The US just decided to ignore it, that is until China gained more cases, and now it’s back to fear mongering Chinese people. I see that xenophobia is still alive and well in the US.", ">\n\nMy family and I caught covid during Thanksgiving after being careful for two years. Fortunately, we're all vaccinated so the symptoms didn't hit us too hard. We just got lax with being careful, but we'll probably be wearing our masks in crowded places just to be safe.", ">\n\nI never stopped wearing masks in the US while going to stores. The reality is we have had waves of Covid here in the US, and we have had different mutations of variants too.", ">\n\nThats racist. Biden should be ashamed of himself for allowing such bigotry and hatred towards our Chinese brethren.", ">\n\nThis applies to anyone traveling from China, not just the Chinese.", ">\n\nI wouldn’t think another country was rascist if the USA had a huge surge and temporarily suspended flights to:from the USA until the numbers came down.", ">\n\nSame biological warfare when westerners were entering into China in 2022?", ">\n\n50 Cent army, out in full force!", ">\n\nWhy are we letting anyone in from China?", ">\n\nCitizens and most permanent residents cannot be refused admission.", ">\n\nOh, here we go again.", ">\n\nKind of ironic seeing how the US has worse cases lmao", ">\n\nUS will keep up the bio attacks until the world complies with their foreign policy. Which is to keep China from becoming a threat to its hegemony", ">\n\nWeird how we can’t make our own citizens mask or test but we can make sure travelers from other places do \nWild how absolutely absurd the timeline we’re living in js", ">\n\nGood. We should not allow anyone from any country the opportunity to enter our country without proof.", ">\n\nIt’s not xenophobia, it’s (D)ifferent this time. Maybe if they let trump try this in the first place", ">\n\nThis just adds fuel to racist anti-Asian sentiment in the US. What about all the people on the plane with Chinese travelers who aren't Chinese? If the situation warrants testing of anyone, it warrants testing of everyone.", ">\n\nThis is just politics. Do we really want to pretend we don’t have an overwhelming amount of COVID cases right now in America? Everyone knows most people don’t test unless they’re very sick (which is rare now) and most who even do test use at home tests and don’t report the results. Can we really just not admit to ourselves as a nation that for the overwhelming majority of people COVID no longer poses a serious threat? Hospitalization, death and long COVID are statistically insignificant for healthy vaccinated individuals at this point I don’t see why anyone can see this as anymore than political posturing.", ">\n\nWelcome to the virtue signaling zone.", ">\n\nWell ??? Why wouldn't we check considering their outbreak is significant. Seriously was this a question ?", ">\n\nChina’s authoritarian regime locked down their country for years… this contained rhe virus until mass protests as well as international condemnations. So I believe Chinese govt is teaching their citizens a lesson. Let them roam free and allow international travel into the country. Let them get severely ill and die. Then they will acknowledge and apologize to the government. This type of reverse psychology isn’t new.", ">\n\nWe the People require a vigilant health care approach to our borders at the expense of [Pure Greed] from those who capitalize on what ails us\nWe the People demand all institutions do a readiness check \nAt which time We the People can demand a Meeting of the Continental Congress to address the state of our union, to reboot the principles and powers of the American Constitution and Bill of Rights, to re instate the neutral balance of power in the houses and senate of all levels of our current government[ one party control is not the operation of the United States of America 🇺🇸]", ">\n\nIf only we had this kind of foresight 3 years ago… we could have avoided this whole mess.", ">\n\nAnd Trump was called xenophobic when we asked for the same thing", ">\n\nExactly", ">\n\nWe should have another global 2020-tier lockdown period, imo. Work at home, way less flights active etc.", ">\n\nAnd millions of people, children, the most disadvantaged would die and suffer" ]
> So I’m guessing it’s not racist now that Biden is doing it.
[ "People from China will travel through Europe and come in to America from the east coast like they did when the pandemic started. This will do nothing if all travelers aboard aren’t made to test.", ">\n\nLet's hope EU and other countries do the same.", ">\n\nI don't know if they will. Australia (for example) had some of the toughest Covid policies and they've essentially just thrown them all out the window.\nSo I don't know how willing countries are to go back to being overly concerned about Covid.", ">\n\nThey should be concerned w chinese, it's spreading like wildfire in china. If we aren't careful, they will come out w covid 20.", ">\n\nIt’s spreading everywhere including the USA. This policy has nothing to do with science or medicine. It’s just politics.", ">\n\nNo. It’s circulating like mad in a population of 1 billion people who haven’t been exposed before. This is how new variants come about. Every country should require negative Covid test for china at least until it cycles through the population", ">\n\n\nNo. It’s circulating like mad in a population of 1 billion people who haven’t been exposed before.\n\nIt's also spreading like mad in all the countries of the world including the USA.\n\nThis is how new variants come about. \n\nAnd they have been for years now.\n\nEvery country should require negative Covid test for china at least until it cycles through the population\n\nOnly for political reasons. There is no scientific or rational demand for this. \nI get it, you hate china, most americans hate china so just be honest and say what you really mean.", ">\n\nStrains are spreading in the west yes, but there are new strains in China that are spreading and we don't know if our vaccines will work with those strains. We know the Chinese vaccines have a low efficacy rate and we know they are not mRNA vaccines which allow for easier adaptation to new strains. Making travelers with a Chinese passport take Covid tests at any and all airports is not racist or even unfair - a reminder that China has been relatively hard to travel to for the last 2 years because they were locked down to foreign travel as well. This is simply good policy from a public health measure, and you not wanting to see that for what it is and instead attribute it to a nascent American hatred for China is laughable. the World Health Organization estimated close to 800 million new cases in China in the next few months, with another estimate 4 million deaths and countless new strains coming out during that period. This is about protection populations, not punishing China.", ">\n\n\nStrains are spreading in the west yes, but there are new strains in China that are spreading and we don't know if our vaccines will work with those strains.\n\nYou don't know if vaccines work against any new variant even if that variant is from a country populated with white people.\n\nWe know the Chinese vaccines have a low efficacy rate and we know they are not mRNA vaccines which allow for easier adaptation to new strains. \n\nThe vaccine doesn't adapt once inside of your body you know that right?\n\nMaking travelers with a Chinese passport take Covid tests at any and all airports is not racist or even unfair \n\nit's definitely unfair and probably racist as well.\n\nhis is simply good policy from a public health measure, a\n\nA good policy would be to require vaccinations from everybody. Think about it, you are requiring a vaccine that you said doesn't even work. How much sense does that make?\n\nattribute it to a nascent American hatred for China is laughable.\n\nNascent?\n\nThis is about protection populations, not punishing China.\n\nIt's definitely about punishing china, it's a part of the current cold war with China conducted by the USA.", ">\n\n\nYou don't know if vaccines work against any new variant even if that variant is from a country populated with white people.\n\nAll the more reason to not invite more new strains into the country. White population or otherwise has nothing to do with it, expected rise in cases in China does.\n\nThe vaccine doesn't adapt once inside of your body you know that right?\n\nYou missed the point. The point i was making was that the Chinese medical system has not even approached Covid with an mRNA vaccine, and steadfastly refused to license western vaccines. If the vaccine most readily available in China has a 50% efficacy then the population is at more risk of contracting the virus and having negative results. The infection rates are increased with each new case of BA.7 (China is currently seeing each covid patient infecting on average 18 other people represented as 1:18, whereas the in US the rate is 1:3.9). Each of these factors increases the risk of developing new strains that are vaccine resistant. \n\nit's definitely unfair and probably racist as well\n\nIs it your position that nations cannot take any prescriptive action to prevent the spread of infected persons from other countries? Again i would remind you that China has basically been locked down for the last 2 years, with severe limitations to personal freedoms themselves. This is not based on race, but rather a government's inability to contain a contagious outbreak in their own country and not wanting it to spread. \n\nA good policy would be to require vaccinations from everybody. Think about it, you are requiring a vaccine that you said doesn't even work. How much sense does that make?\n\nThat might be your definition on good policy, but it isn't mine and that isn't how the west does it. \"I\" am not requiring a vaccine that \"I\" said doesn't work - that was your suggestion not mine. Also, i said the efficacy of the Chinese vaccine is 50% - based on available information - i never said it didn't work, and i never said that it should be mandatory or required.\n\nNascent?\n\nPoor and wrong word choice on my part it seems. What i meant was ascribing the US decision to require testing of Chinese travelers to racism because you believe that the US is racist is laughable. Taking a test to prove that you are covid negative is far less onerous on a traveler than most visa requirements.\n\nIt's definitely about punishing china, it's a part of the current cold war with China conducted by the USA.\n\nCite your sources. I could point to many Chinese government policies that i could say are part of the current cold war with the US without backing it up and it would be just as credible as what you said. Opinion is not a source, and not proof. You assume that the US government is racist, that this policy is racist and yet we have had travel bans imposed on other countries, as well as testing required for travelers from other countries imposed before, and other policies and so has China. For goodness sake China has been closed to foreigners for almost 3 years, and is still closed to foreign travel until January 2023. Is that a racist policy as well?", ">\n\nHere we go again.\nThis time I think I'll learn French cooking.", ">\n\n5000 People a day will have to die before Anybody says the word Lock down in the States ever again.", ">\n\nDon’t understand why people can’t handle staying at home for two weeks when it could potentially eradicate a deadly virus. Are we that weak?", ">\n\nWe did that in large part in March 2020. And did China not spend years locking down their citizens? \nPeoples savings are gone. They need to work. \nWearing a mask would do a lot to help the issue but people aren’t willing to do that anymore.", ">\n\nWe didn't do that though. We didn't all lock down when we were supposed to. Where I work I had to go in from the very start all the way through. Most people, the majority of people, didn't stay home even if they didn't have work. Most people didn't fuck with masks or keeping a distance, and even people who weren't antivaccers didn't take the vaccine seriously for the longest time. \nWe had no fucking lock down, unless you were a well-off celebrity or comedian who wanted to talk about being locked down for content. \nIf people legit locked down, they would have taken a small hit financially, but too many people didn't do shit and prolonged everything.", ">\n\nThe things is that it doesn't take long to drain peoples saving - becuase the overwhelming majority of people have practically none. \nSo an extended lockdown was never feasible unless the government was willing to pay several trillion dollars of expenses, not just 2 or 3 times but several times over.", ">\n\nI didn't dispute any of what you said. I pointed out that most people actively contested any safety measure and most people didn't actually lock down. Any extension will almost certainly be the fault of most of those people. \nI'd gladly let them all die if it meant the few people who did take things seriously didn't have to live through a Walking Dead scenario or have to take a huge financial hit because them.", ">\n\nMost people did lock down just fine initially. After a few weeks turned into a month or more, yeah people got testy.\nAdditionally, a gigantic amount of people work in critical industries and simply cant stay home. Just keeping the lights and water on requires tens of millions of workers, plus industries like plants and refineries that simply cannot shut down without massive long-term consequences.\nReddit is full of office people who can WFH, the vast majority of people cant.", ">\n\nI was one of those who couldn't stay home. Right out of the gate most people gave up on almost all of it except when they were making a show of complying when they had to. There was a lot of cheating. I walk through a lot of different areas. The waves of patients and bodies we got at work tracked with that and became predictable.", ">\n\nWhat’s that saying that ends with ”…doomed to repeat it?”", ">\n\nWhy not just require a negative test from everyone?", ">\n\nWho would you expect to pay for that?", ">\n\nGovernments or sponsors from the private sector ideally, I honestly don’t give a fuck. I’ve gotten many free tests from both and I’ve also bought some for like $8.", ">\n\n“Here we go again” from everyone in the comments. \nThe virus never stopped, we did.", ">\n\nVirus will always be there. Permanent restrictions are unsustainable", ">\n\n3 years later...\nIs this permanent?", ">\n\nI doubt there's anything that would make Republicans running in 2024 happier then Democrats advocating for a return to COVID restrictions.", ">\n\nRight? It’d be like the democrats fighting for gun control, or gay and trans rights, or safe and legal abortions. It would be political suicide to stand for something that Republicans don’t like!", ">\n\nMy understanding is that everything you listed is broadly popular or has at least a majority of American's in favor of it. A return to COVID restrictions is not in that category.", ">\n\nGun control isn’t even universally loved amongst the American left, as the hard left needs them for protection from the hard right they clash with, and the middle left does like having their guns taken as much as any middle right wing does, only mid left likes it", ">\n\nGallup has 57% of Americans feeling that in general gun laws should be more strict.", ">\n\nRegular people want kids to stop dying while in school. The problem is \"stricter laws\" is vague and no one can agree on what it means or give a serious proposal that would work, short of confiscation and bans, which are wildly unpopular.", ">\n\nVague political talking points is the best we’re going to get. Much as I’d love a Ross Perot style of breaking down every platform and promise, the general public doesn’t go for it. Buzz words are all we have the attention span for.", ">\n\nChina's COVID-19 surge raises odds of new coronavirus variants\nThings could get very ugly.", ">\n\nYou say this like covid hasn't been spreading rampantly through literally every country on the planet, mostly without any measures to stop the spread. Why does China get a different treatment and maybe countries should require tests from the US or Inida or Europe?", ">\n\nI agree. US was primarily the culprit of why COVID went rampant to begin with. We actively refused to enforce any sort of safety measures, just a mild suggestion of \"maybe wear a mask, if you want to, it's ok if you don't\" and \"we have vaccines if you want one, no pressure tho\". That was really our response to the world's deadliest pandemic.", ">\n\nWe actively made fun of zero covid approaches on reddit and now based on the comments on this thread we are suddenly pro “zero covid” approaches", ">\n\nEveryone finally watched contagion", ">\n\nSo far my 2023 bingo card is reading alooot of skull and crossbones, I think I might actually win at something next year, what does your score card look like?", ">\n\nWhen’s that $1200 going to hit my account?", ">\n\nI’m still living off mine from last time!", ">\n\nI’m still looking for mine", ">\n\nI’m waiting for that $600 bucks from Biden still, but that’s going right into my retirement!", ">\n\nYou dont get he meant to include any money you already received as well /s", ">\n\nI seem to remember campaign ads with $2000 checks.", ">\n\nYep they explicitly mentioned $2,000 checks.", ">\n\nMy comment was sarcasm but in retrospect there are so many neoliberals saying that word for word in all seriousness that I should and will add a sarcasm tag", ">\n\nThat's nice and all, but let's not act like we're not just ignoring our own COVID problems.", ">\n\n\n\"You don't have zero tolerance anymore? We can't tolerate that.\"\n\n- Country with 100% tolerance", ">\n\nWhy not require a negative COVID test from everyone entering the country? It’s like they don’t want COVID to be under control.", ">\n\nI think this is because China has a relatively low vaccination rate because they relied on lock downs. Now that lock downs are being ramped down, they are having a huge surge.", ">\n\nThe vaccination rate in China is considerably higher than the US (92% vs 81%). This is just another example of yellow peril", ">\n\nThank you for pointing this out. What I said above was wrong about the vaccination rate. I don’t know why exactly China is having a surge. 🤷‍♂️", ">\n\nTheir vaccination rate is high but their vaccine, SinoVac is based on old tech. It conveys effectively zero protection from variants when compared to all the other types of vaccines on the market.", ">\n\nYou guys are so full of shit. At 3 doses Sinovac gives the same protection as any western vaccine with boosters to help mitigate mutated variants. Stop spreading misinfo.", ">\n\n\"Does that thumbnail of someone getting tested read too much like 'screaming uselessly into the void'?\"\n\"I'm sure it'll be fine.\"", ">\n\nMaybe, just maybe they shouldnt have stopped testing airplane passengers in the first place... \nWe have cheap, readily available tests that take 10 minutes to complete. There’s really no reason not to test ever passenger before boarding...", ">\n\nEveryone I know who had Omicron tested negative until their symptoms cleared. It was evading the RATs, for some reason.", ">\n\nI tested positive on a rapid test two days after getting congested. Every teacher coworker of mine who bothered to test after getting cold symptoms also did. I think it's why so few parents now test their kids before sending time to school sick. They don't want to know so we all find out when we or our family members then test positive, missing work on their sick kids' behalf so they didn't have to. \nI have also heard the rapid test can give false negatives but anecdotal references don't mean much.", ">\n\nA day late and a dollar short. Same old song and dance.", ">\n\nWow, it’s like history literally repeating itself.", ">\n\nIndeed it is. I hope everyone is prepared for what’s next.", ">\n\nWe should require negative COVID tests for people to fly within the US, too.\nIt makes no difference to me if the person who infects me at LAX is coming in from China, or from Texas.", ">\n\nThere is a high chance anyone that comes from China has Covid right now. Low chance that someone inside America has.", ">\n\nNaw. China’s percent is much higher, sure, but it’s not like US infection rates are low. You can pretty much guarantee an infected American on every sold out domestic flight. The latest variants are super, super contagious, and it only takes one infected person to pose a serious risk to the other people sharing their space, and then all of their families and friends after they land. All flights should still require testing and masking at this point, or all we’ve really accomplished is pacifying the dimwits and xenophobes.\nI know at least 3 people who 100% contracted COVID while flying domestically in the US this last month - because they were isolated for the incubation period beforehand. They were masked the entire time they were in the airport and on the plane.", ">\n\nIf they were masked up and I assume vaccinated and still caught the virus then preventable measures like these aren’t that effective.", ">\n\nIs there a new strain of Covid that isn't in the U.S yet, otherwise what's the point.", ">\n\nUm testing should not ever stop.", ">\n\nAh shit here we go again", ">\n\n\"Who left the fridge open?\"", ">\n\nIt's \"just a cold\" unless it's a non-white person from another country carrying it.\n/s", ">\n\nChina implemented an ineffective vaccine and had 30m+ cases in one day. It’s specifically that gov. refusing to use effective vaccines", ">\n\nAnd the United States had effective vaccines that half the country is not willing to nor willing to wear masks, while complaining to other countries like China about their travel restrictions (from China and Hong Kong). And honestly I’m not oppose to a tighter restriction on China while they are experiencing a surge in new cases just as it did with any other countries that initially loosen covid restrictions, what makes me question this being race or politically motivated is the hypocrisy; people complained about China being oppressive when it was enforcing all the covid restrictions and when they loosen it “China doesn’t care about human lives”.\nSo what exactly do you want them to do?", ">\n\n\nto Require Negative Covid Tests for Travelers From China\n\nLuckily China is well known for its systemic unwillingness to fake or counterfeit things, so everything should be fine.\nhonest.", ">\n\nSeems purely retaliatory with no actual effectiveness.\nEnforcement is over a week away and presumably China has hit its peak already (flights being 40% positive)", ">\n\nThe rich rats are going to buy fake tests and jump ship breaking quarantine just like they did in the first wave. Cutting flights or enforcing quarantines is the only way to prevent this stuff from jumping oceans but god forbid anybody inhibit the jet setters.", ">\n\nHALF of the passengers on a plane from China going to Italy tested positive the other day (tested on arrival). Chances are most if not all of them had negative test results they could show that they took before they left. This won't do anything to stop people coming into the US while positive..we are going to have to go through this all over again and we won't have the same somewhat cooperative response in the US this time if it is a variant that evades immunity... It will get REALLY bad.", ">\n\nSeriously they know red states will just let them in and will never do another shut down again. So start dealt with out break countries this way to slow it down or corner it. But I see very very bad days ahead for China and Russia is starting to report out breaks too.", ">\n\nMust. When?", ">\n\nWe already require this from canada iirc\nEdit: i was wrong, canada requires it from us.", ">\n\nI hope we are talking PCR tests... those store-bought 15-minute ones struggle to get a positive if you have any sort of vaccination, even while symptomatic and miserable.", ">\n\nWell, a little bit of good news. I'll take it.", ">\n\nTravel should have been 100$ restricted a long time ago. Travel should be restricted to any country experiencing a COVID outbreak.", ">\n\nWonderful. Another round of Asian hating.", ">\n\nWho's hating on Asians? We're trying to stop this virus from killing people.", ">\n\nor… ban flights from china??", ">\n\nDoesn’t make sense in singling out China when covid is widespread in every single country", ">\n\nThe extent of covid in china atm is just absurd. Two weeks ago, they had 37 MILLION cases in one day. Think about that. Thats more people than a lot of countries! \nsource", ">\n\nI wonder why China has so much trouble with COVID compared to other countries, despite being so strict.", ">\n\nIt’s because they had the zero covid approaches that people are advocating for in this thread and they suddenly reversed course. Everyone in China is getting it so fast its likely the same variants quickly spreading in a population that suddenly reversed course. Having many people getting it over time and exposed to new generations of the virus (which is what happens over time) is more insidious but people here think thats fine", ">\n\nEveryone saying this is racist, do not pay attention to the world", ">\n\nIt was called racist and xenophobic when Trump did it. The left are hypocritical emotional wrecks.", ">\n\nnah trump was racist or did you forget he called it the “china virus” and subsequent hate crimes increased against adians", ">\n\nLet’s not change the subject. We’re talking about testing travelers from China here. Always trying to deflect.", ">\n\nIs that what he did, though? That and nothing else? This is a Fox News headline, but I bet there's a lot more to it. There usually is.\nFYI, Italy is also requiring testing of travelers from China at this time.\nBecause of the high number of cases in China at this time.", ">\n\nSo many dumb replies here. I am sad about where humankind is at.", ">\n\nRound two people", ">\n\nWe need to ramp up testing again at border.", ">\n\nChina trying to stop Covid…lol! Fail miserably at that, build a huge infected population, then unleash it on the world. Great job China /s", ">\n\nSell then the Moderna vaccine so they can treat themselves, ans end this debacle.", ">\n\nEven if US send Moderna and Phizer vaccine, China will not use it, because they boast about \"superior\" Chinese vaccine and don't want to lose face.\n​\nUntil they change their attitude, I suggest keeping restriction in place for PRC travelers.", ">\n\nOh definitely.", ">\n\nCCP exporting covid again.", ">\n\nPaywall - can anyone help me read the article? It sounds great in theory but why wait so long? That’s how this all started in 2020. Test now!", ">\n\nChina has been in quarantine until the protests. They have a very low of vaccinated people, so now everyone's breathing on each other's necks, squeezing in tight places and now introducing another pandemic. \nI believe a combination of everyone quarantined for too long and non vaccinated people are making this a very deadly spread.", ">\n\nTheir vaccination rate is not too bad, except among the elderly. But their vaccine was shit even before all the variants.\nThey've been trying to use lockdown to prevent spread and with the new variants that just won't work.\nSo yeah, they're pretty fucked.", ">\n\nVaccination rate is good, but the rate of people who are up to date on boosters is where they fall short even beyond just the elderly. It also doesn't help that the vaccine being used is overall less effective than the ones being used elsewhere like you said. Makes those booster shots many are lacking even more critical.", ">\n\nApparently Americans only get worried when it’s Chinese people spreading Covid as opposed to their own residents, citizens and Europeans.", ">\n\nseems xenophobic /s", ">\n\noh I'm sure conservatives will be very concerned about the \"freedoms\" of those travelers from China", ">\n\nHow's this going to work for the 75% of all our manufactured goods coming in from China?", ">\n\nThank God Biden is doing this if it was Trump they call him racist .", ">\n\nTrump admin did this and it was hailed as a great idea, because it was. And is.\nWho tf cares who the man or president is when it comes to health? Why are some people like this?", ">\n\nYou know that wasnt true.", ">\n\nWhy would they make a move that would indisputably send hundreds of thousands of infected into the wider world including those that may wind up being infected with a new variant or two? \nCan we at least conclude that China does not care about this possibility? Is that verboten to say?\nCan an axiomatically correct statement still result in a ban?", ">\n\nSounds kinda racist.", ">\n\nMakes absolute sense considering what's currently going on there. Canada should do the same. I'll even go as far as say suspend visas / entry from that part of the world temporarily, until they can get it under control", ">\n\nMakes sense. China is exploding with covid and who knows if/when the next bad variant develops there.", ">\n\nLmao Reddit enjoying their shut in lives so much I’d rather jump off the tallest bridge near me before going into lockdowns again.", ">\n\nXenophobia", ">\n\nXenophobic Biden", ">\n\nPeople are acting like Covid stopped spreading in the US… The US just decided to ignore it, that is until China gained more cases, and now it’s back to fear mongering Chinese people. I see that xenophobia is still alive and well in the US.", ">\n\nMy family and I caught covid during Thanksgiving after being careful for two years. Fortunately, we're all vaccinated so the symptoms didn't hit us too hard. We just got lax with being careful, but we'll probably be wearing our masks in crowded places just to be safe.", ">\n\nI never stopped wearing masks in the US while going to stores. The reality is we have had waves of Covid here in the US, and we have had different mutations of variants too.", ">\n\nThats racist. Biden should be ashamed of himself for allowing such bigotry and hatred towards our Chinese brethren.", ">\n\nThis applies to anyone traveling from China, not just the Chinese.", ">\n\nI wouldn’t think another country was rascist if the USA had a huge surge and temporarily suspended flights to:from the USA until the numbers came down.", ">\n\nSame biological warfare when westerners were entering into China in 2022?", ">\n\n50 Cent army, out in full force!", ">\n\nWhy are we letting anyone in from China?", ">\n\nCitizens and most permanent residents cannot be refused admission.", ">\n\nOh, here we go again.", ">\n\nKind of ironic seeing how the US has worse cases lmao", ">\n\nUS will keep up the bio attacks until the world complies with their foreign policy. Which is to keep China from becoming a threat to its hegemony", ">\n\nWeird how we can’t make our own citizens mask or test but we can make sure travelers from other places do \nWild how absolutely absurd the timeline we’re living in js", ">\n\nGood. We should not allow anyone from any country the opportunity to enter our country without proof.", ">\n\nIt’s not xenophobia, it’s (D)ifferent this time. Maybe if they let trump try this in the first place", ">\n\nThis just adds fuel to racist anti-Asian sentiment in the US. What about all the people on the plane with Chinese travelers who aren't Chinese? If the situation warrants testing of anyone, it warrants testing of everyone.", ">\n\nThis is just politics. Do we really want to pretend we don’t have an overwhelming amount of COVID cases right now in America? Everyone knows most people don’t test unless they’re very sick (which is rare now) and most who even do test use at home tests and don’t report the results. Can we really just not admit to ourselves as a nation that for the overwhelming majority of people COVID no longer poses a serious threat? Hospitalization, death and long COVID are statistically insignificant for healthy vaccinated individuals at this point I don’t see why anyone can see this as anymore than political posturing.", ">\n\nWelcome to the virtue signaling zone.", ">\n\nWell ??? Why wouldn't we check considering their outbreak is significant. Seriously was this a question ?", ">\n\nChina’s authoritarian regime locked down their country for years… this contained rhe virus until mass protests as well as international condemnations. So I believe Chinese govt is teaching their citizens a lesson. Let them roam free and allow international travel into the country. Let them get severely ill and die. Then they will acknowledge and apologize to the government. This type of reverse psychology isn’t new.", ">\n\nWe the People require a vigilant health care approach to our borders at the expense of [Pure Greed] from those who capitalize on what ails us\nWe the People demand all institutions do a readiness check \nAt which time We the People can demand a Meeting of the Continental Congress to address the state of our union, to reboot the principles and powers of the American Constitution and Bill of Rights, to re instate the neutral balance of power in the houses and senate of all levels of our current government[ one party control is not the operation of the United States of America 🇺🇸]", ">\n\nIf only we had this kind of foresight 3 years ago… we could have avoided this whole mess.", ">\n\nAnd Trump was called xenophobic when we asked for the same thing", ">\n\nExactly", ">\n\nWe should have another global 2020-tier lockdown period, imo. Work at home, way less flights active etc.", ">\n\nAnd millions of people, children, the most disadvantaged would die and suffer", ">\n\nI feel like they need to extend this restriction to all of Europe as well. It’s already spread outside of China." ]
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[ "People from China will travel through Europe and come in to America from the east coast like they did when the pandemic started. This will do nothing if all travelers aboard aren’t made to test.", ">\n\nLet's hope EU and other countries do the same.", ">\n\nI don't know if they will. Australia (for example) had some of the toughest Covid policies and they've essentially just thrown them all out the window.\nSo I don't know how willing countries are to go back to being overly concerned about Covid.", ">\n\nThey should be concerned w chinese, it's spreading like wildfire in china. If we aren't careful, they will come out w covid 20.", ">\n\nIt’s spreading everywhere including the USA. This policy has nothing to do with science or medicine. It’s just politics.", ">\n\nNo. It’s circulating like mad in a population of 1 billion people who haven’t been exposed before. This is how new variants come about. Every country should require negative Covid test for china at least until it cycles through the population", ">\n\n\nNo. It’s circulating like mad in a population of 1 billion people who haven’t been exposed before.\n\nIt's also spreading like mad in all the countries of the world including the USA.\n\nThis is how new variants come about. \n\nAnd they have been for years now.\n\nEvery country should require negative Covid test for china at least until it cycles through the population\n\nOnly for political reasons. There is no scientific or rational demand for this. \nI get it, you hate china, most americans hate china so just be honest and say what you really mean.", ">\n\nStrains are spreading in the west yes, but there are new strains in China that are spreading and we don't know if our vaccines will work with those strains. We know the Chinese vaccines have a low efficacy rate and we know they are not mRNA vaccines which allow for easier adaptation to new strains. Making travelers with a Chinese passport take Covid tests at any and all airports is not racist or even unfair - a reminder that China has been relatively hard to travel to for the last 2 years because they were locked down to foreign travel as well. This is simply good policy from a public health measure, and you not wanting to see that for what it is and instead attribute it to a nascent American hatred for China is laughable. the World Health Organization estimated close to 800 million new cases in China in the next few months, with another estimate 4 million deaths and countless new strains coming out during that period. This is about protection populations, not punishing China.", ">\n\n\nStrains are spreading in the west yes, but there are new strains in China that are spreading and we don't know if our vaccines will work with those strains.\n\nYou don't know if vaccines work against any new variant even if that variant is from a country populated with white people.\n\nWe know the Chinese vaccines have a low efficacy rate and we know they are not mRNA vaccines which allow for easier adaptation to new strains. \n\nThe vaccine doesn't adapt once inside of your body you know that right?\n\nMaking travelers with a Chinese passport take Covid tests at any and all airports is not racist or even unfair \n\nit's definitely unfair and probably racist as well.\n\nhis is simply good policy from a public health measure, a\n\nA good policy would be to require vaccinations from everybody. Think about it, you are requiring a vaccine that you said doesn't even work. How much sense does that make?\n\nattribute it to a nascent American hatred for China is laughable.\n\nNascent?\n\nThis is about protection populations, not punishing China.\n\nIt's definitely about punishing china, it's a part of the current cold war with China conducted by the USA.", ">\n\n\nYou don't know if vaccines work against any new variant even if that variant is from a country populated with white people.\n\nAll the more reason to not invite more new strains into the country. White population or otherwise has nothing to do with it, expected rise in cases in China does.\n\nThe vaccine doesn't adapt once inside of your body you know that right?\n\nYou missed the point. The point i was making was that the Chinese medical system has not even approached Covid with an mRNA vaccine, and steadfastly refused to license western vaccines. If the vaccine most readily available in China has a 50% efficacy then the population is at more risk of contracting the virus and having negative results. The infection rates are increased with each new case of BA.7 (China is currently seeing each covid patient infecting on average 18 other people represented as 1:18, whereas the in US the rate is 1:3.9). Each of these factors increases the risk of developing new strains that are vaccine resistant. \n\nit's definitely unfair and probably racist as well\n\nIs it your position that nations cannot take any prescriptive action to prevent the spread of infected persons from other countries? Again i would remind you that China has basically been locked down for the last 2 years, with severe limitations to personal freedoms themselves. This is not based on race, but rather a government's inability to contain a contagious outbreak in their own country and not wanting it to spread. \n\nA good policy would be to require vaccinations from everybody. Think about it, you are requiring a vaccine that you said doesn't even work. How much sense does that make?\n\nThat might be your definition on good policy, but it isn't mine and that isn't how the west does it. \"I\" am not requiring a vaccine that \"I\" said doesn't work - that was your suggestion not mine. Also, i said the efficacy of the Chinese vaccine is 50% - based on available information - i never said it didn't work, and i never said that it should be mandatory or required.\n\nNascent?\n\nPoor and wrong word choice on my part it seems. What i meant was ascribing the US decision to require testing of Chinese travelers to racism because you believe that the US is racist is laughable. Taking a test to prove that you are covid negative is far less onerous on a traveler than most visa requirements.\n\nIt's definitely about punishing china, it's a part of the current cold war with China conducted by the USA.\n\nCite your sources. I could point to many Chinese government policies that i could say are part of the current cold war with the US without backing it up and it would be just as credible as what you said. Opinion is not a source, and not proof. You assume that the US government is racist, that this policy is racist and yet we have had travel bans imposed on other countries, as well as testing required for travelers from other countries imposed before, and other policies and so has China. For goodness sake China has been closed to foreigners for almost 3 years, and is still closed to foreign travel until January 2023. Is that a racist policy as well?", ">\n\nHere we go again.\nThis time I think I'll learn French cooking.", ">\n\n5000 People a day will have to die before Anybody says the word Lock down in the States ever again.", ">\n\nDon’t understand why people can’t handle staying at home for two weeks when it could potentially eradicate a deadly virus. Are we that weak?", ">\n\nWe did that in large part in March 2020. And did China not spend years locking down their citizens? \nPeoples savings are gone. They need to work. \nWearing a mask would do a lot to help the issue but people aren’t willing to do that anymore.", ">\n\nWe didn't do that though. We didn't all lock down when we were supposed to. Where I work I had to go in from the very start all the way through. Most people, the majority of people, didn't stay home even if they didn't have work. Most people didn't fuck with masks or keeping a distance, and even people who weren't antivaccers didn't take the vaccine seriously for the longest time. \nWe had no fucking lock down, unless you were a well-off celebrity or comedian who wanted to talk about being locked down for content. \nIf people legit locked down, they would have taken a small hit financially, but too many people didn't do shit and prolonged everything.", ">\n\nThe things is that it doesn't take long to drain peoples saving - becuase the overwhelming majority of people have practically none. \nSo an extended lockdown was never feasible unless the government was willing to pay several trillion dollars of expenses, not just 2 or 3 times but several times over.", ">\n\nI didn't dispute any of what you said. I pointed out that most people actively contested any safety measure and most people didn't actually lock down. Any extension will almost certainly be the fault of most of those people. \nI'd gladly let them all die if it meant the few people who did take things seriously didn't have to live through a Walking Dead scenario or have to take a huge financial hit because them.", ">\n\nMost people did lock down just fine initially. After a few weeks turned into a month or more, yeah people got testy.\nAdditionally, a gigantic amount of people work in critical industries and simply cant stay home. Just keeping the lights and water on requires tens of millions of workers, plus industries like plants and refineries that simply cannot shut down without massive long-term consequences.\nReddit is full of office people who can WFH, the vast majority of people cant.", ">\n\nI was one of those who couldn't stay home. Right out of the gate most people gave up on almost all of it except when they were making a show of complying when they had to. There was a lot of cheating. I walk through a lot of different areas. The waves of patients and bodies we got at work tracked with that and became predictable.", ">\n\nWhat’s that saying that ends with ”…doomed to repeat it?”", ">\n\nWhy not just require a negative test from everyone?", ">\n\nWho would you expect to pay for that?", ">\n\nGovernments or sponsors from the private sector ideally, I honestly don’t give a fuck. I’ve gotten many free tests from both and I’ve also bought some for like $8.", ">\n\n“Here we go again” from everyone in the comments. \nThe virus never stopped, we did.", ">\n\nVirus will always be there. Permanent restrictions are unsustainable", ">\n\n3 years later...\nIs this permanent?", ">\n\nI doubt there's anything that would make Republicans running in 2024 happier then Democrats advocating for a return to COVID restrictions.", ">\n\nRight? It’d be like the democrats fighting for gun control, or gay and trans rights, or safe and legal abortions. It would be political suicide to stand for something that Republicans don’t like!", ">\n\nMy understanding is that everything you listed is broadly popular or has at least a majority of American's in favor of it. A return to COVID restrictions is not in that category.", ">\n\nGun control isn’t even universally loved amongst the American left, as the hard left needs them for protection from the hard right they clash with, and the middle left does like having their guns taken as much as any middle right wing does, only mid left likes it", ">\n\nGallup has 57% of Americans feeling that in general gun laws should be more strict.", ">\n\nRegular people want kids to stop dying while in school. The problem is \"stricter laws\" is vague and no one can agree on what it means or give a serious proposal that would work, short of confiscation and bans, which are wildly unpopular.", ">\n\nVague political talking points is the best we’re going to get. Much as I’d love a Ross Perot style of breaking down every platform and promise, the general public doesn’t go for it. Buzz words are all we have the attention span for.", ">\n\nChina's COVID-19 surge raises odds of new coronavirus variants\nThings could get very ugly.", ">\n\nYou say this like covid hasn't been spreading rampantly through literally every country on the planet, mostly without any measures to stop the spread. Why does China get a different treatment and maybe countries should require tests from the US or Inida or Europe?", ">\n\nI agree. US was primarily the culprit of why COVID went rampant to begin with. We actively refused to enforce any sort of safety measures, just a mild suggestion of \"maybe wear a mask, if you want to, it's ok if you don't\" and \"we have vaccines if you want one, no pressure tho\". That was really our response to the world's deadliest pandemic.", ">\n\nWe actively made fun of zero covid approaches on reddit and now based on the comments on this thread we are suddenly pro “zero covid” approaches", ">\n\nEveryone finally watched contagion", ">\n\nSo far my 2023 bingo card is reading alooot of skull and crossbones, I think I might actually win at something next year, what does your score card look like?", ">\n\nWhen’s that $1200 going to hit my account?", ">\n\nI’m still living off mine from last time!", ">\n\nI’m still looking for mine", ">\n\nI’m waiting for that $600 bucks from Biden still, but that’s going right into my retirement!", ">\n\nYou dont get he meant to include any money you already received as well /s", ">\n\nI seem to remember campaign ads with $2000 checks.", ">\n\nYep they explicitly mentioned $2,000 checks.", ">\n\nMy comment was sarcasm but in retrospect there are so many neoliberals saying that word for word in all seriousness that I should and will add a sarcasm tag", ">\n\nThat's nice and all, but let's not act like we're not just ignoring our own COVID problems.", ">\n\n\n\"You don't have zero tolerance anymore? We can't tolerate that.\"\n\n- Country with 100% tolerance", ">\n\nWhy not require a negative COVID test from everyone entering the country? It’s like they don’t want COVID to be under control.", ">\n\nI think this is because China has a relatively low vaccination rate because they relied on lock downs. Now that lock downs are being ramped down, they are having a huge surge.", ">\n\nThe vaccination rate in China is considerably higher than the US (92% vs 81%). This is just another example of yellow peril", ">\n\nThank you for pointing this out. What I said above was wrong about the vaccination rate. I don’t know why exactly China is having a surge. 🤷‍♂️", ">\n\nTheir vaccination rate is high but their vaccine, SinoVac is based on old tech. It conveys effectively zero protection from variants when compared to all the other types of vaccines on the market.", ">\n\nYou guys are so full of shit. At 3 doses Sinovac gives the same protection as any western vaccine with boosters to help mitigate mutated variants. Stop spreading misinfo.", ">\n\n\"Does that thumbnail of someone getting tested read too much like 'screaming uselessly into the void'?\"\n\"I'm sure it'll be fine.\"", ">\n\nMaybe, just maybe they shouldnt have stopped testing airplane passengers in the first place... \nWe have cheap, readily available tests that take 10 minutes to complete. There’s really no reason not to test ever passenger before boarding...", ">\n\nEveryone I know who had Omicron tested negative until their symptoms cleared. It was evading the RATs, for some reason.", ">\n\nI tested positive on a rapid test two days after getting congested. Every teacher coworker of mine who bothered to test after getting cold symptoms also did. I think it's why so few parents now test their kids before sending time to school sick. They don't want to know so we all find out when we or our family members then test positive, missing work on their sick kids' behalf so they didn't have to. \nI have also heard the rapid test can give false negatives but anecdotal references don't mean much.", ">\n\nA day late and a dollar short. Same old song and dance.", ">\n\nWow, it’s like history literally repeating itself.", ">\n\nIndeed it is. I hope everyone is prepared for what’s next.", ">\n\nWe should require negative COVID tests for people to fly within the US, too.\nIt makes no difference to me if the person who infects me at LAX is coming in from China, or from Texas.", ">\n\nThere is a high chance anyone that comes from China has Covid right now. Low chance that someone inside America has.", ">\n\nNaw. China’s percent is much higher, sure, but it’s not like US infection rates are low. You can pretty much guarantee an infected American on every sold out domestic flight. The latest variants are super, super contagious, and it only takes one infected person to pose a serious risk to the other people sharing their space, and then all of their families and friends after they land. All flights should still require testing and masking at this point, or all we’ve really accomplished is pacifying the dimwits and xenophobes.\nI know at least 3 people who 100% contracted COVID while flying domestically in the US this last month - because they were isolated for the incubation period beforehand. They were masked the entire time they were in the airport and on the plane.", ">\n\nIf they were masked up and I assume vaccinated and still caught the virus then preventable measures like these aren’t that effective.", ">\n\nIs there a new strain of Covid that isn't in the U.S yet, otherwise what's the point.", ">\n\nUm testing should not ever stop.", ">\n\nAh shit here we go again", ">\n\n\"Who left the fridge open?\"", ">\n\nIt's \"just a cold\" unless it's a non-white person from another country carrying it.\n/s", ">\n\nChina implemented an ineffective vaccine and had 30m+ cases in one day. It’s specifically that gov. refusing to use effective vaccines", ">\n\nAnd the United States had effective vaccines that half the country is not willing to nor willing to wear masks, while complaining to other countries like China about their travel restrictions (from China and Hong Kong). And honestly I’m not oppose to a tighter restriction on China while they are experiencing a surge in new cases just as it did with any other countries that initially loosen covid restrictions, what makes me question this being race or politically motivated is the hypocrisy; people complained about China being oppressive when it was enforcing all the covid restrictions and when they loosen it “China doesn’t care about human lives”.\nSo what exactly do you want them to do?", ">\n\n\nto Require Negative Covid Tests for Travelers From China\n\nLuckily China is well known for its systemic unwillingness to fake or counterfeit things, so everything should be fine.\nhonest.", ">\n\nSeems purely retaliatory with no actual effectiveness.\nEnforcement is over a week away and presumably China has hit its peak already (flights being 40% positive)", ">\n\nThe rich rats are going to buy fake tests and jump ship breaking quarantine just like they did in the first wave. Cutting flights or enforcing quarantines is the only way to prevent this stuff from jumping oceans but god forbid anybody inhibit the jet setters.", ">\n\nHALF of the passengers on a plane from China going to Italy tested positive the other day (tested on arrival). Chances are most if not all of them had negative test results they could show that they took before they left. This won't do anything to stop people coming into the US while positive..we are going to have to go through this all over again and we won't have the same somewhat cooperative response in the US this time if it is a variant that evades immunity... It will get REALLY bad.", ">\n\nSeriously they know red states will just let them in and will never do another shut down again. So start dealt with out break countries this way to slow it down or corner it. But I see very very bad days ahead for China and Russia is starting to report out breaks too.", ">\n\nMust. When?", ">\n\nWe already require this from canada iirc\nEdit: i was wrong, canada requires it from us.", ">\n\nI hope we are talking PCR tests... those store-bought 15-minute ones struggle to get a positive if you have any sort of vaccination, even while symptomatic and miserable.", ">\n\nWell, a little bit of good news. I'll take it.", ">\n\nTravel should have been 100$ restricted a long time ago. Travel should be restricted to any country experiencing a COVID outbreak.", ">\n\nWonderful. Another round of Asian hating.", ">\n\nWho's hating on Asians? We're trying to stop this virus from killing people.", ">\n\nor… ban flights from china??", ">\n\nDoesn’t make sense in singling out China when covid is widespread in every single country", ">\n\nThe extent of covid in china atm is just absurd. Two weeks ago, they had 37 MILLION cases in one day. Think about that. Thats more people than a lot of countries! \nsource", ">\n\nI wonder why China has so much trouble with COVID compared to other countries, despite being so strict.", ">\n\nIt’s because they had the zero covid approaches that people are advocating for in this thread and they suddenly reversed course. Everyone in China is getting it so fast its likely the same variants quickly spreading in a population that suddenly reversed course. Having many people getting it over time and exposed to new generations of the virus (which is what happens over time) is more insidious but people here think thats fine", ">\n\nEveryone saying this is racist, do not pay attention to the world", ">\n\nIt was called racist and xenophobic when Trump did it. The left are hypocritical emotional wrecks.", ">\n\nnah trump was racist or did you forget he called it the “china virus” and subsequent hate crimes increased against adians", ">\n\nLet’s not change the subject. We’re talking about testing travelers from China here. Always trying to deflect.", ">\n\nIs that what he did, though? That and nothing else? This is a Fox News headline, but I bet there's a lot more to it. There usually is.\nFYI, Italy is also requiring testing of travelers from China at this time.\nBecause of the high number of cases in China at this time.", ">\n\nSo many dumb replies here. I am sad about where humankind is at.", ">\n\nRound two people", ">\n\nWe need to ramp up testing again at border.", ">\n\nChina trying to stop Covid…lol! Fail miserably at that, build a huge infected population, then unleash it on the world. Great job China /s", ">\n\nSell then the Moderna vaccine so they can treat themselves, ans end this debacle.", ">\n\nEven if US send Moderna and Phizer vaccine, China will not use it, because they boast about \"superior\" Chinese vaccine and don't want to lose face.\n​\nUntil they change their attitude, I suggest keeping restriction in place for PRC travelers.", ">\n\nOh definitely.", ">\n\nCCP exporting covid again.", ">\n\nPaywall - can anyone help me read the article? It sounds great in theory but why wait so long? That’s how this all started in 2020. Test now!", ">\n\nChina has been in quarantine until the protests. They have a very low of vaccinated people, so now everyone's breathing on each other's necks, squeezing in tight places and now introducing another pandemic. \nI believe a combination of everyone quarantined for too long and non vaccinated people are making this a very deadly spread.", ">\n\nTheir vaccination rate is not too bad, except among the elderly. But their vaccine was shit even before all the variants.\nThey've been trying to use lockdown to prevent spread and with the new variants that just won't work.\nSo yeah, they're pretty fucked.", ">\n\nVaccination rate is good, but the rate of people who are up to date on boosters is where they fall short even beyond just the elderly. It also doesn't help that the vaccine being used is overall less effective than the ones being used elsewhere like you said. Makes those booster shots many are lacking even more critical.", ">\n\nApparently Americans only get worried when it’s Chinese people spreading Covid as opposed to their own residents, citizens and Europeans.", ">\n\nseems xenophobic /s", ">\n\noh I'm sure conservatives will be very concerned about the \"freedoms\" of those travelers from China", ">\n\nHow's this going to work for the 75% of all our manufactured goods coming in from China?", ">\n\nThank God Biden is doing this if it was Trump they call him racist .", ">\n\nTrump admin did this and it was hailed as a great idea, because it was. And is.\nWho tf cares who the man or president is when it comes to health? Why are some people like this?", ">\n\nYou know that wasnt true.", ">\n\nWhy would they make a move that would indisputably send hundreds of thousands of infected into the wider world including those that may wind up being infected with a new variant or two? \nCan we at least conclude that China does not care about this possibility? Is that verboten to say?\nCan an axiomatically correct statement still result in a ban?", ">\n\nSounds kinda racist.", ">\n\nMakes absolute sense considering what's currently going on there. Canada should do the same. I'll even go as far as say suspend visas / entry from that part of the world temporarily, until they can get it under control", ">\n\nMakes sense. China is exploding with covid and who knows if/when the next bad variant develops there.", ">\n\nLmao Reddit enjoying their shut in lives so much I’d rather jump off the tallest bridge near me before going into lockdowns again.", ">\n\nXenophobia", ">\n\nXenophobic Biden", ">\n\nPeople are acting like Covid stopped spreading in the US… The US just decided to ignore it, that is until China gained more cases, and now it’s back to fear mongering Chinese people. I see that xenophobia is still alive and well in the US.", ">\n\nMy family and I caught covid during Thanksgiving after being careful for two years. Fortunately, we're all vaccinated so the symptoms didn't hit us too hard. We just got lax with being careful, but we'll probably be wearing our masks in crowded places just to be safe.", ">\n\nI never stopped wearing masks in the US while going to stores. The reality is we have had waves of Covid here in the US, and we have had different mutations of variants too.", ">\n\nThats racist. Biden should be ashamed of himself for allowing such bigotry and hatred towards our Chinese brethren.", ">\n\nThis applies to anyone traveling from China, not just the Chinese.", ">\n\nI wouldn’t think another country was rascist if the USA had a huge surge and temporarily suspended flights to:from the USA until the numbers came down.", ">\n\nSame biological warfare when westerners were entering into China in 2022?", ">\n\n50 Cent army, out in full force!", ">\n\nWhy are we letting anyone in from China?", ">\n\nCitizens and most permanent residents cannot be refused admission.", ">\n\nOh, here we go again.", ">\n\nKind of ironic seeing how the US has worse cases lmao", ">\n\nUS will keep up the bio attacks until the world complies with their foreign policy. Which is to keep China from becoming a threat to its hegemony", ">\n\nWeird how we can’t make our own citizens mask or test but we can make sure travelers from other places do \nWild how absolutely absurd the timeline we’re living in js", ">\n\nGood. We should not allow anyone from any country the opportunity to enter our country without proof.", ">\n\nIt’s not xenophobia, it’s (D)ifferent this time. Maybe if they let trump try this in the first place", ">\n\nThis just adds fuel to racist anti-Asian sentiment in the US. What about all the people on the plane with Chinese travelers who aren't Chinese? If the situation warrants testing of anyone, it warrants testing of everyone.", ">\n\nThis is just politics. Do we really want to pretend we don’t have an overwhelming amount of COVID cases right now in America? Everyone knows most people don’t test unless they’re very sick (which is rare now) and most who even do test use at home tests and don’t report the results. Can we really just not admit to ourselves as a nation that for the overwhelming majority of people COVID no longer poses a serious threat? Hospitalization, death and long COVID are statistically insignificant for healthy vaccinated individuals at this point I don’t see why anyone can see this as anymore than political posturing.", ">\n\nWelcome to the virtue signaling zone.", ">\n\nWell ??? Why wouldn't we check considering their outbreak is significant. Seriously was this a question ?", ">\n\nChina’s authoritarian regime locked down their country for years… this contained rhe virus until mass protests as well as international condemnations. So I believe Chinese govt is teaching their citizens a lesson. Let them roam free and allow international travel into the country. Let them get severely ill and die. Then they will acknowledge and apologize to the government. This type of reverse psychology isn’t new.", ">\n\nWe the People require a vigilant health care approach to our borders at the expense of [Pure Greed] from those who capitalize on what ails us\nWe the People demand all institutions do a readiness check \nAt which time We the People can demand a Meeting of the Continental Congress to address the state of our union, to reboot the principles and powers of the American Constitution and Bill of Rights, to re instate the neutral balance of power in the houses and senate of all levels of our current government[ one party control is not the operation of the United States of America 🇺🇸]", ">\n\nIf only we had this kind of foresight 3 years ago… we could have avoided this whole mess.", ">\n\nAnd Trump was called xenophobic when we asked for the same thing", ">\n\nExactly", ">\n\nWe should have another global 2020-tier lockdown period, imo. Work at home, way less flights active etc.", ">\n\nAnd millions of people, children, the most disadvantaged would die and suffer", ">\n\nI feel like they need to extend this restriction to all of Europe as well. It’s already spread outside of China.", ">\n\nSo I’m guessing it’s not racist now that Biden is doing it." ]
> Some will get through. We may be in trouble.
[ "People from China will travel through Europe and come in to America from the east coast like they did when the pandemic started. This will do nothing if all travelers aboard aren’t made to test.", ">\n\nLet's hope EU and other countries do the same.", ">\n\nI don't know if they will. Australia (for example) had some of the toughest Covid policies and they've essentially just thrown them all out the window.\nSo I don't know how willing countries are to go back to being overly concerned about Covid.", ">\n\nThey should be concerned w chinese, it's spreading like wildfire in china. If we aren't careful, they will come out w covid 20.", ">\n\nIt’s spreading everywhere including the USA. This policy has nothing to do with science or medicine. It’s just politics.", ">\n\nNo. It’s circulating like mad in a population of 1 billion people who haven’t been exposed before. This is how new variants come about. Every country should require negative Covid test for china at least until it cycles through the population", ">\n\n\nNo. It’s circulating like mad in a population of 1 billion people who haven’t been exposed before.\n\nIt's also spreading like mad in all the countries of the world including the USA.\n\nThis is how new variants come about. \n\nAnd they have been for years now.\n\nEvery country should require negative Covid test for china at least until it cycles through the population\n\nOnly for political reasons. There is no scientific or rational demand for this. \nI get it, you hate china, most americans hate china so just be honest and say what you really mean.", ">\n\nStrains are spreading in the west yes, but there are new strains in China that are spreading and we don't know if our vaccines will work with those strains. We know the Chinese vaccines have a low efficacy rate and we know they are not mRNA vaccines which allow for easier adaptation to new strains. Making travelers with a Chinese passport take Covid tests at any and all airports is not racist or even unfair - a reminder that China has been relatively hard to travel to for the last 2 years because they were locked down to foreign travel as well. This is simply good policy from a public health measure, and you not wanting to see that for what it is and instead attribute it to a nascent American hatred for China is laughable. the World Health Organization estimated close to 800 million new cases in China in the next few months, with another estimate 4 million deaths and countless new strains coming out during that period. This is about protection populations, not punishing China.", ">\n\n\nStrains are spreading in the west yes, but there are new strains in China that are spreading and we don't know if our vaccines will work with those strains.\n\nYou don't know if vaccines work against any new variant even if that variant is from a country populated with white people.\n\nWe know the Chinese vaccines have a low efficacy rate and we know they are not mRNA vaccines which allow for easier adaptation to new strains. \n\nThe vaccine doesn't adapt once inside of your body you know that right?\n\nMaking travelers with a Chinese passport take Covid tests at any and all airports is not racist or even unfair \n\nit's definitely unfair and probably racist as well.\n\nhis is simply good policy from a public health measure, a\n\nA good policy would be to require vaccinations from everybody. Think about it, you are requiring a vaccine that you said doesn't even work. How much sense does that make?\n\nattribute it to a nascent American hatred for China is laughable.\n\nNascent?\n\nThis is about protection populations, not punishing China.\n\nIt's definitely about punishing china, it's a part of the current cold war with China conducted by the USA.", ">\n\n\nYou don't know if vaccines work against any new variant even if that variant is from a country populated with white people.\n\nAll the more reason to not invite more new strains into the country. White population or otherwise has nothing to do with it, expected rise in cases in China does.\n\nThe vaccine doesn't adapt once inside of your body you know that right?\n\nYou missed the point. The point i was making was that the Chinese medical system has not even approached Covid with an mRNA vaccine, and steadfastly refused to license western vaccines. If the vaccine most readily available in China has a 50% efficacy then the population is at more risk of contracting the virus and having negative results. The infection rates are increased with each new case of BA.7 (China is currently seeing each covid patient infecting on average 18 other people represented as 1:18, whereas the in US the rate is 1:3.9). Each of these factors increases the risk of developing new strains that are vaccine resistant. \n\nit's definitely unfair and probably racist as well\n\nIs it your position that nations cannot take any prescriptive action to prevent the spread of infected persons from other countries? Again i would remind you that China has basically been locked down for the last 2 years, with severe limitations to personal freedoms themselves. This is not based on race, but rather a government's inability to contain a contagious outbreak in their own country and not wanting it to spread. \n\nA good policy would be to require vaccinations from everybody. Think about it, you are requiring a vaccine that you said doesn't even work. How much sense does that make?\n\nThat might be your definition on good policy, but it isn't mine and that isn't how the west does it. \"I\" am not requiring a vaccine that \"I\" said doesn't work - that was your suggestion not mine. Also, i said the efficacy of the Chinese vaccine is 50% - based on available information - i never said it didn't work, and i never said that it should be mandatory or required.\n\nNascent?\n\nPoor and wrong word choice on my part it seems. What i meant was ascribing the US decision to require testing of Chinese travelers to racism because you believe that the US is racist is laughable. Taking a test to prove that you are covid negative is far less onerous on a traveler than most visa requirements.\n\nIt's definitely about punishing china, it's a part of the current cold war with China conducted by the USA.\n\nCite your sources. I could point to many Chinese government policies that i could say are part of the current cold war with the US without backing it up and it would be just as credible as what you said. Opinion is not a source, and not proof. You assume that the US government is racist, that this policy is racist and yet we have had travel bans imposed on other countries, as well as testing required for travelers from other countries imposed before, and other policies and so has China. For goodness sake China has been closed to foreigners for almost 3 years, and is still closed to foreign travel until January 2023. Is that a racist policy as well?", ">\n\nHere we go again.\nThis time I think I'll learn French cooking.", ">\n\n5000 People a day will have to die before Anybody says the word Lock down in the States ever again.", ">\n\nDon’t understand why people can’t handle staying at home for two weeks when it could potentially eradicate a deadly virus. Are we that weak?", ">\n\nWe did that in large part in March 2020. And did China not spend years locking down their citizens? \nPeoples savings are gone. They need to work. \nWearing a mask would do a lot to help the issue but people aren’t willing to do that anymore.", ">\n\nWe didn't do that though. We didn't all lock down when we were supposed to. Where I work I had to go in from the very start all the way through. Most people, the majority of people, didn't stay home even if they didn't have work. Most people didn't fuck with masks or keeping a distance, and even people who weren't antivaccers didn't take the vaccine seriously for the longest time. \nWe had no fucking lock down, unless you were a well-off celebrity or comedian who wanted to talk about being locked down for content. \nIf people legit locked down, they would have taken a small hit financially, but too many people didn't do shit and prolonged everything.", ">\n\nThe things is that it doesn't take long to drain peoples saving - becuase the overwhelming majority of people have practically none. \nSo an extended lockdown was never feasible unless the government was willing to pay several trillion dollars of expenses, not just 2 or 3 times but several times over.", ">\n\nI didn't dispute any of what you said. I pointed out that most people actively contested any safety measure and most people didn't actually lock down. Any extension will almost certainly be the fault of most of those people. \nI'd gladly let them all die if it meant the few people who did take things seriously didn't have to live through a Walking Dead scenario or have to take a huge financial hit because them.", ">\n\nMost people did lock down just fine initially. After a few weeks turned into a month or more, yeah people got testy.\nAdditionally, a gigantic amount of people work in critical industries and simply cant stay home. Just keeping the lights and water on requires tens of millions of workers, plus industries like plants and refineries that simply cannot shut down without massive long-term consequences.\nReddit is full of office people who can WFH, the vast majority of people cant.", ">\n\nI was one of those who couldn't stay home. Right out of the gate most people gave up on almost all of it except when they were making a show of complying when they had to. There was a lot of cheating. I walk through a lot of different areas. The waves of patients and bodies we got at work tracked with that and became predictable.", ">\n\nWhat’s that saying that ends with ”…doomed to repeat it?”", ">\n\nWhy not just require a negative test from everyone?", ">\n\nWho would you expect to pay for that?", ">\n\nGovernments or sponsors from the private sector ideally, I honestly don’t give a fuck. I’ve gotten many free tests from both and I’ve also bought some for like $8.", ">\n\n“Here we go again” from everyone in the comments. \nThe virus never stopped, we did.", ">\n\nVirus will always be there. Permanent restrictions are unsustainable", ">\n\n3 years later...\nIs this permanent?", ">\n\nI doubt there's anything that would make Republicans running in 2024 happier then Democrats advocating for a return to COVID restrictions.", ">\n\nRight? It’d be like the democrats fighting for gun control, or gay and trans rights, or safe and legal abortions. It would be political suicide to stand for something that Republicans don’t like!", ">\n\nMy understanding is that everything you listed is broadly popular or has at least a majority of American's in favor of it. A return to COVID restrictions is not in that category.", ">\n\nGun control isn’t even universally loved amongst the American left, as the hard left needs them for protection from the hard right they clash with, and the middle left does like having their guns taken as much as any middle right wing does, only mid left likes it", ">\n\nGallup has 57% of Americans feeling that in general gun laws should be more strict.", ">\n\nRegular people want kids to stop dying while in school. The problem is \"stricter laws\" is vague and no one can agree on what it means or give a serious proposal that would work, short of confiscation and bans, which are wildly unpopular.", ">\n\nVague political talking points is the best we’re going to get. Much as I’d love a Ross Perot style of breaking down every platform and promise, the general public doesn’t go for it. Buzz words are all we have the attention span for.", ">\n\nChina's COVID-19 surge raises odds of new coronavirus variants\nThings could get very ugly.", ">\n\nYou say this like covid hasn't been spreading rampantly through literally every country on the planet, mostly without any measures to stop the spread. Why does China get a different treatment and maybe countries should require tests from the US or Inida or Europe?", ">\n\nI agree. US was primarily the culprit of why COVID went rampant to begin with. We actively refused to enforce any sort of safety measures, just a mild suggestion of \"maybe wear a mask, if you want to, it's ok if you don't\" and \"we have vaccines if you want one, no pressure tho\". That was really our response to the world's deadliest pandemic.", ">\n\nWe actively made fun of zero covid approaches on reddit and now based on the comments on this thread we are suddenly pro “zero covid” approaches", ">\n\nEveryone finally watched contagion", ">\n\nSo far my 2023 bingo card is reading alooot of skull and crossbones, I think I might actually win at something next year, what does your score card look like?", ">\n\nWhen’s that $1200 going to hit my account?", ">\n\nI’m still living off mine from last time!", ">\n\nI’m still looking for mine", ">\n\nI’m waiting for that $600 bucks from Biden still, but that’s going right into my retirement!", ">\n\nYou dont get he meant to include any money you already received as well /s", ">\n\nI seem to remember campaign ads with $2000 checks.", ">\n\nYep they explicitly mentioned $2,000 checks.", ">\n\nMy comment was sarcasm but in retrospect there are so many neoliberals saying that word for word in all seriousness that I should and will add a sarcasm tag", ">\n\nThat's nice and all, but let's not act like we're not just ignoring our own COVID problems.", ">\n\n\n\"You don't have zero tolerance anymore? We can't tolerate that.\"\n\n- Country with 100% tolerance", ">\n\nWhy not require a negative COVID test from everyone entering the country? It’s like they don’t want COVID to be under control.", ">\n\nI think this is because China has a relatively low vaccination rate because they relied on lock downs. Now that lock downs are being ramped down, they are having a huge surge.", ">\n\nThe vaccination rate in China is considerably higher than the US (92% vs 81%). This is just another example of yellow peril", ">\n\nThank you for pointing this out. What I said above was wrong about the vaccination rate. I don’t know why exactly China is having a surge. 🤷‍♂️", ">\n\nTheir vaccination rate is high but their vaccine, SinoVac is based on old tech. It conveys effectively zero protection from variants when compared to all the other types of vaccines on the market.", ">\n\nYou guys are so full of shit. At 3 doses Sinovac gives the same protection as any western vaccine with boosters to help mitigate mutated variants. Stop spreading misinfo.", ">\n\n\"Does that thumbnail of someone getting tested read too much like 'screaming uselessly into the void'?\"\n\"I'm sure it'll be fine.\"", ">\n\nMaybe, just maybe they shouldnt have stopped testing airplane passengers in the first place... \nWe have cheap, readily available tests that take 10 minutes to complete. There’s really no reason not to test ever passenger before boarding...", ">\n\nEveryone I know who had Omicron tested negative until their symptoms cleared. It was evading the RATs, for some reason.", ">\n\nI tested positive on a rapid test two days after getting congested. Every teacher coworker of mine who bothered to test after getting cold symptoms also did. I think it's why so few parents now test their kids before sending time to school sick. They don't want to know so we all find out when we or our family members then test positive, missing work on their sick kids' behalf so they didn't have to. \nI have also heard the rapid test can give false negatives but anecdotal references don't mean much.", ">\n\nA day late and a dollar short. Same old song and dance.", ">\n\nWow, it’s like history literally repeating itself.", ">\n\nIndeed it is. I hope everyone is prepared for what’s next.", ">\n\nWe should require negative COVID tests for people to fly within the US, too.\nIt makes no difference to me if the person who infects me at LAX is coming in from China, or from Texas.", ">\n\nThere is a high chance anyone that comes from China has Covid right now. Low chance that someone inside America has.", ">\n\nNaw. China’s percent is much higher, sure, but it’s not like US infection rates are low. You can pretty much guarantee an infected American on every sold out domestic flight. The latest variants are super, super contagious, and it only takes one infected person to pose a serious risk to the other people sharing their space, and then all of their families and friends after they land. All flights should still require testing and masking at this point, or all we’ve really accomplished is pacifying the dimwits and xenophobes.\nI know at least 3 people who 100% contracted COVID while flying domestically in the US this last month - because they were isolated for the incubation period beforehand. They were masked the entire time they were in the airport and on the plane.", ">\n\nIf they were masked up and I assume vaccinated and still caught the virus then preventable measures like these aren’t that effective.", ">\n\nIs there a new strain of Covid that isn't in the U.S yet, otherwise what's the point.", ">\n\nUm testing should not ever stop.", ">\n\nAh shit here we go again", ">\n\n\"Who left the fridge open?\"", ">\n\nIt's \"just a cold\" unless it's a non-white person from another country carrying it.\n/s", ">\n\nChina implemented an ineffective vaccine and had 30m+ cases in one day. It’s specifically that gov. refusing to use effective vaccines", ">\n\nAnd the United States had effective vaccines that half the country is not willing to nor willing to wear masks, while complaining to other countries like China about their travel restrictions (from China and Hong Kong). And honestly I’m not oppose to a tighter restriction on China while they are experiencing a surge in new cases just as it did with any other countries that initially loosen covid restrictions, what makes me question this being race or politically motivated is the hypocrisy; people complained about China being oppressive when it was enforcing all the covid restrictions and when they loosen it “China doesn’t care about human lives”.\nSo what exactly do you want them to do?", ">\n\n\nto Require Negative Covid Tests for Travelers From China\n\nLuckily China is well known for its systemic unwillingness to fake or counterfeit things, so everything should be fine.\nhonest.", ">\n\nSeems purely retaliatory with no actual effectiveness.\nEnforcement is over a week away and presumably China has hit its peak already (flights being 40% positive)", ">\n\nThe rich rats are going to buy fake tests and jump ship breaking quarantine just like they did in the first wave. Cutting flights or enforcing quarantines is the only way to prevent this stuff from jumping oceans but god forbid anybody inhibit the jet setters.", ">\n\nHALF of the passengers on a plane from China going to Italy tested positive the other day (tested on arrival). Chances are most if not all of them had negative test results they could show that they took before they left. This won't do anything to stop people coming into the US while positive..we are going to have to go through this all over again and we won't have the same somewhat cooperative response in the US this time if it is a variant that evades immunity... It will get REALLY bad.", ">\n\nSeriously they know red states will just let them in and will never do another shut down again. So start dealt with out break countries this way to slow it down or corner it. But I see very very bad days ahead for China and Russia is starting to report out breaks too.", ">\n\nMust. When?", ">\n\nWe already require this from canada iirc\nEdit: i was wrong, canada requires it from us.", ">\n\nI hope we are talking PCR tests... those store-bought 15-minute ones struggle to get a positive if you have any sort of vaccination, even while symptomatic and miserable.", ">\n\nWell, a little bit of good news. I'll take it.", ">\n\nTravel should have been 100$ restricted a long time ago. Travel should be restricted to any country experiencing a COVID outbreak.", ">\n\nWonderful. Another round of Asian hating.", ">\n\nWho's hating on Asians? We're trying to stop this virus from killing people.", ">\n\nor… ban flights from china??", ">\n\nDoesn’t make sense in singling out China when covid is widespread in every single country", ">\n\nThe extent of covid in china atm is just absurd. Two weeks ago, they had 37 MILLION cases in one day. Think about that. Thats more people than a lot of countries! \nsource", ">\n\nI wonder why China has so much trouble with COVID compared to other countries, despite being so strict.", ">\n\nIt’s because they had the zero covid approaches that people are advocating for in this thread and they suddenly reversed course. Everyone in China is getting it so fast its likely the same variants quickly spreading in a population that suddenly reversed course. Having many people getting it over time and exposed to new generations of the virus (which is what happens over time) is more insidious but people here think thats fine", ">\n\nEveryone saying this is racist, do not pay attention to the world", ">\n\nIt was called racist and xenophobic when Trump did it. The left are hypocritical emotional wrecks.", ">\n\nnah trump was racist or did you forget he called it the “china virus” and subsequent hate crimes increased against adians", ">\n\nLet’s not change the subject. We’re talking about testing travelers from China here. Always trying to deflect.", ">\n\nIs that what he did, though? That and nothing else? This is a Fox News headline, but I bet there's a lot more to it. There usually is.\nFYI, Italy is also requiring testing of travelers from China at this time.\nBecause of the high number of cases in China at this time.", ">\n\nSo many dumb replies here. I am sad about where humankind is at.", ">\n\nRound two people", ">\n\nWe need to ramp up testing again at border.", ">\n\nChina trying to stop Covid…lol! Fail miserably at that, build a huge infected population, then unleash it on the world. Great job China /s", ">\n\nSell then the Moderna vaccine so they can treat themselves, ans end this debacle.", ">\n\nEven if US send Moderna and Phizer vaccine, China will not use it, because they boast about \"superior\" Chinese vaccine and don't want to lose face.\n​\nUntil they change their attitude, I suggest keeping restriction in place for PRC travelers.", ">\n\nOh definitely.", ">\n\nCCP exporting covid again.", ">\n\nPaywall - can anyone help me read the article? It sounds great in theory but why wait so long? That’s how this all started in 2020. Test now!", ">\n\nChina has been in quarantine until the protests. They have a very low of vaccinated people, so now everyone's breathing on each other's necks, squeezing in tight places and now introducing another pandemic. \nI believe a combination of everyone quarantined for too long and non vaccinated people are making this a very deadly spread.", ">\n\nTheir vaccination rate is not too bad, except among the elderly. But their vaccine was shit even before all the variants.\nThey've been trying to use lockdown to prevent spread and with the new variants that just won't work.\nSo yeah, they're pretty fucked.", ">\n\nVaccination rate is good, but the rate of people who are up to date on boosters is where they fall short even beyond just the elderly. It also doesn't help that the vaccine being used is overall less effective than the ones being used elsewhere like you said. Makes those booster shots many are lacking even more critical.", ">\n\nApparently Americans only get worried when it’s Chinese people spreading Covid as opposed to their own residents, citizens and Europeans.", ">\n\nseems xenophobic /s", ">\n\noh I'm sure conservatives will be very concerned about the \"freedoms\" of those travelers from China", ">\n\nHow's this going to work for the 75% of all our manufactured goods coming in from China?", ">\n\nThank God Biden is doing this if it was Trump they call him racist .", ">\n\nTrump admin did this and it was hailed as a great idea, because it was. And is.\nWho tf cares who the man or president is when it comes to health? Why are some people like this?", ">\n\nYou know that wasnt true.", ">\n\nWhy would they make a move that would indisputably send hundreds of thousands of infected into the wider world including those that may wind up being infected with a new variant or two? \nCan we at least conclude that China does not care about this possibility? Is that verboten to say?\nCan an axiomatically correct statement still result in a ban?", ">\n\nSounds kinda racist.", ">\n\nMakes absolute sense considering what's currently going on there. Canada should do the same. I'll even go as far as say suspend visas / entry from that part of the world temporarily, until they can get it under control", ">\n\nMakes sense. China is exploding with covid and who knows if/when the next bad variant develops there.", ">\n\nLmao Reddit enjoying their shut in lives so much I’d rather jump off the tallest bridge near me before going into lockdowns again.", ">\n\nXenophobia", ">\n\nXenophobic Biden", ">\n\nPeople are acting like Covid stopped spreading in the US… The US just decided to ignore it, that is until China gained more cases, and now it’s back to fear mongering Chinese people. I see that xenophobia is still alive and well in the US.", ">\n\nMy family and I caught covid during Thanksgiving after being careful for two years. Fortunately, we're all vaccinated so the symptoms didn't hit us too hard. We just got lax with being careful, but we'll probably be wearing our masks in crowded places just to be safe.", ">\n\nI never stopped wearing masks in the US while going to stores. The reality is we have had waves of Covid here in the US, and we have had different mutations of variants too.", ">\n\nThats racist. Biden should be ashamed of himself for allowing such bigotry and hatred towards our Chinese brethren.", ">\n\nThis applies to anyone traveling from China, not just the Chinese.", ">\n\nI wouldn’t think another country was rascist if the USA had a huge surge and temporarily suspended flights to:from the USA until the numbers came down.", ">\n\nSame biological warfare when westerners were entering into China in 2022?", ">\n\n50 Cent army, out in full force!", ">\n\nWhy are we letting anyone in from China?", ">\n\nCitizens and most permanent residents cannot be refused admission.", ">\n\nOh, here we go again.", ">\n\nKind of ironic seeing how the US has worse cases lmao", ">\n\nUS will keep up the bio attacks until the world complies with their foreign policy. Which is to keep China from becoming a threat to its hegemony", ">\n\nWeird how we can’t make our own citizens mask or test but we can make sure travelers from other places do \nWild how absolutely absurd the timeline we’re living in js", ">\n\nGood. We should not allow anyone from any country the opportunity to enter our country without proof.", ">\n\nIt’s not xenophobia, it’s (D)ifferent this time. Maybe if they let trump try this in the first place", ">\n\nThis just adds fuel to racist anti-Asian sentiment in the US. What about all the people on the plane with Chinese travelers who aren't Chinese? If the situation warrants testing of anyone, it warrants testing of everyone.", ">\n\nThis is just politics. Do we really want to pretend we don’t have an overwhelming amount of COVID cases right now in America? Everyone knows most people don’t test unless they’re very sick (which is rare now) and most who even do test use at home tests and don’t report the results. Can we really just not admit to ourselves as a nation that for the overwhelming majority of people COVID no longer poses a serious threat? Hospitalization, death and long COVID are statistically insignificant for healthy vaccinated individuals at this point I don’t see why anyone can see this as anymore than political posturing.", ">\n\nWelcome to the virtue signaling zone.", ">\n\nWell ??? Why wouldn't we check considering their outbreak is significant. Seriously was this a question ?", ">\n\nChina’s authoritarian regime locked down their country for years… this contained rhe virus until mass protests as well as international condemnations. So I believe Chinese govt is teaching their citizens a lesson. Let them roam free and allow international travel into the country. Let them get severely ill and die. Then they will acknowledge and apologize to the government. This type of reverse psychology isn’t new.", ">\n\nWe the People require a vigilant health care approach to our borders at the expense of [Pure Greed] from those who capitalize on what ails us\nWe the People demand all institutions do a readiness check \nAt which time We the People can demand a Meeting of the Continental Congress to address the state of our union, to reboot the principles and powers of the American Constitution and Bill of Rights, to re instate the neutral balance of power in the houses and senate of all levels of our current government[ one party control is not the operation of the United States of America 🇺🇸]", ">\n\nIf only we had this kind of foresight 3 years ago… we could have avoided this whole mess.", ">\n\nAnd Trump was called xenophobic when we asked for the same thing", ">\n\nExactly", ">\n\nWe should have another global 2020-tier lockdown period, imo. Work at home, way less flights active etc.", ">\n\nAnd millions of people, children, the most disadvantaged would die and suffer", ">\n\nI feel like they need to extend this restriction to all of Europe as well. It’s already spread outside of China.", ">\n\nSo I’m guessing it’s not racist now that Biden is doing it.", ">\n\nAgeeed" ]
> It's a racist policy. Why not ban people from Florida from traveling to the rest of the US? What's the difference?
[ "People from China will travel through Europe and come in to America from the east coast like they did when the pandemic started. This will do nothing if all travelers aboard aren’t made to test.", ">\n\nLet's hope EU and other countries do the same.", ">\n\nI don't know if they will. Australia (for example) had some of the toughest Covid policies and they've essentially just thrown them all out the window.\nSo I don't know how willing countries are to go back to being overly concerned about Covid.", ">\n\nThey should be concerned w chinese, it's spreading like wildfire in china. If we aren't careful, they will come out w covid 20.", ">\n\nIt’s spreading everywhere including the USA. This policy has nothing to do with science or medicine. It’s just politics.", ">\n\nNo. It’s circulating like mad in a population of 1 billion people who haven’t been exposed before. This is how new variants come about. Every country should require negative Covid test for china at least until it cycles through the population", ">\n\n\nNo. It’s circulating like mad in a population of 1 billion people who haven’t been exposed before.\n\nIt's also spreading like mad in all the countries of the world including the USA.\n\nThis is how new variants come about. \n\nAnd they have been for years now.\n\nEvery country should require negative Covid test for china at least until it cycles through the population\n\nOnly for political reasons. There is no scientific or rational demand for this. \nI get it, you hate china, most americans hate china so just be honest and say what you really mean.", ">\n\nStrains are spreading in the west yes, but there are new strains in China that are spreading and we don't know if our vaccines will work with those strains. We know the Chinese vaccines have a low efficacy rate and we know they are not mRNA vaccines which allow for easier adaptation to new strains. Making travelers with a Chinese passport take Covid tests at any and all airports is not racist or even unfair - a reminder that China has been relatively hard to travel to for the last 2 years because they were locked down to foreign travel as well. This is simply good policy from a public health measure, and you not wanting to see that for what it is and instead attribute it to a nascent American hatred for China is laughable. the World Health Organization estimated close to 800 million new cases in China in the next few months, with another estimate 4 million deaths and countless new strains coming out during that period. This is about protection populations, not punishing China.", ">\n\n\nStrains are spreading in the west yes, but there are new strains in China that are spreading and we don't know if our vaccines will work with those strains.\n\nYou don't know if vaccines work against any new variant even if that variant is from a country populated with white people.\n\nWe know the Chinese vaccines have a low efficacy rate and we know they are not mRNA vaccines which allow for easier adaptation to new strains. \n\nThe vaccine doesn't adapt once inside of your body you know that right?\n\nMaking travelers with a Chinese passport take Covid tests at any and all airports is not racist or even unfair \n\nit's definitely unfair and probably racist as well.\n\nhis is simply good policy from a public health measure, a\n\nA good policy would be to require vaccinations from everybody. Think about it, you are requiring a vaccine that you said doesn't even work. How much sense does that make?\n\nattribute it to a nascent American hatred for China is laughable.\n\nNascent?\n\nThis is about protection populations, not punishing China.\n\nIt's definitely about punishing china, it's a part of the current cold war with China conducted by the USA.", ">\n\n\nYou don't know if vaccines work against any new variant even if that variant is from a country populated with white people.\n\nAll the more reason to not invite more new strains into the country. White population or otherwise has nothing to do with it, expected rise in cases in China does.\n\nThe vaccine doesn't adapt once inside of your body you know that right?\n\nYou missed the point. The point i was making was that the Chinese medical system has not even approached Covid with an mRNA vaccine, and steadfastly refused to license western vaccines. If the vaccine most readily available in China has a 50% efficacy then the population is at more risk of contracting the virus and having negative results. The infection rates are increased with each new case of BA.7 (China is currently seeing each covid patient infecting on average 18 other people represented as 1:18, whereas the in US the rate is 1:3.9). Each of these factors increases the risk of developing new strains that are vaccine resistant. \n\nit's definitely unfair and probably racist as well\n\nIs it your position that nations cannot take any prescriptive action to prevent the spread of infected persons from other countries? Again i would remind you that China has basically been locked down for the last 2 years, with severe limitations to personal freedoms themselves. This is not based on race, but rather a government's inability to contain a contagious outbreak in their own country and not wanting it to spread. \n\nA good policy would be to require vaccinations from everybody. Think about it, you are requiring a vaccine that you said doesn't even work. How much sense does that make?\n\nThat might be your definition on good policy, but it isn't mine and that isn't how the west does it. \"I\" am not requiring a vaccine that \"I\" said doesn't work - that was your suggestion not mine. Also, i said the efficacy of the Chinese vaccine is 50% - based on available information - i never said it didn't work, and i never said that it should be mandatory or required.\n\nNascent?\n\nPoor and wrong word choice on my part it seems. What i meant was ascribing the US decision to require testing of Chinese travelers to racism because you believe that the US is racist is laughable. Taking a test to prove that you are covid negative is far less onerous on a traveler than most visa requirements.\n\nIt's definitely about punishing china, it's a part of the current cold war with China conducted by the USA.\n\nCite your sources. I could point to many Chinese government policies that i could say are part of the current cold war with the US without backing it up and it would be just as credible as what you said. Opinion is not a source, and not proof. You assume that the US government is racist, that this policy is racist and yet we have had travel bans imposed on other countries, as well as testing required for travelers from other countries imposed before, and other policies and so has China. For goodness sake China has been closed to foreigners for almost 3 years, and is still closed to foreign travel until January 2023. Is that a racist policy as well?", ">\n\nHere we go again.\nThis time I think I'll learn French cooking.", ">\n\n5000 People a day will have to die before Anybody says the word Lock down in the States ever again.", ">\n\nDon’t understand why people can’t handle staying at home for two weeks when it could potentially eradicate a deadly virus. Are we that weak?", ">\n\nWe did that in large part in March 2020. And did China not spend years locking down their citizens? \nPeoples savings are gone. They need to work. \nWearing a mask would do a lot to help the issue but people aren’t willing to do that anymore.", ">\n\nWe didn't do that though. We didn't all lock down when we were supposed to. Where I work I had to go in from the very start all the way through. Most people, the majority of people, didn't stay home even if they didn't have work. Most people didn't fuck with masks or keeping a distance, and even people who weren't antivaccers didn't take the vaccine seriously for the longest time. \nWe had no fucking lock down, unless you were a well-off celebrity or comedian who wanted to talk about being locked down for content. \nIf people legit locked down, they would have taken a small hit financially, but too many people didn't do shit and prolonged everything.", ">\n\nThe things is that it doesn't take long to drain peoples saving - becuase the overwhelming majority of people have practically none. \nSo an extended lockdown was never feasible unless the government was willing to pay several trillion dollars of expenses, not just 2 or 3 times but several times over.", ">\n\nI didn't dispute any of what you said. I pointed out that most people actively contested any safety measure and most people didn't actually lock down. Any extension will almost certainly be the fault of most of those people. \nI'd gladly let them all die if it meant the few people who did take things seriously didn't have to live through a Walking Dead scenario or have to take a huge financial hit because them.", ">\n\nMost people did lock down just fine initially. After a few weeks turned into a month or more, yeah people got testy.\nAdditionally, a gigantic amount of people work in critical industries and simply cant stay home. Just keeping the lights and water on requires tens of millions of workers, plus industries like plants and refineries that simply cannot shut down without massive long-term consequences.\nReddit is full of office people who can WFH, the vast majority of people cant.", ">\n\nI was one of those who couldn't stay home. Right out of the gate most people gave up on almost all of it except when they were making a show of complying when they had to. There was a lot of cheating. I walk through a lot of different areas. The waves of patients and bodies we got at work tracked with that and became predictable.", ">\n\nWhat’s that saying that ends with ”…doomed to repeat it?”", ">\n\nWhy not just require a negative test from everyone?", ">\n\nWho would you expect to pay for that?", ">\n\nGovernments or sponsors from the private sector ideally, I honestly don’t give a fuck. I’ve gotten many free tests from both and I’ve also bought some for like $8.", ">\n\n“Here we go again” from everyone in the comments. \nThe virus never stopped, we did.", ">\n\nVirus will always be there. Permanent restrictions are unsustainable", ">\n\n3 years later...\nIs this permanent?", ">\n\nI doubt there's anything that would make Republicans running in 2024 happier then Democrats advocating for a return to COVID restrictions.", ">\n\nRight? It’d be like the democrats fighting for gun control, or gay and trans rights, or safe and legal abortions. It would be political suicide to stand for something that Republicans don’t like!", ">\n\nMy understanding is that everything you listed is broadly popular or has at least a majority of American's in favor of it. A return to COVID restrictions is not in that category.", ">\n\nGun control isn’t even universally loved amongst the American left, as the hard left needs them for protection from the hard right they clash with, and the middle left does like having their guns taken as much as any middle right wing does, only mid left likes it", ">\n\nGallup has 57% of Americans feeling that in general gun laws should be more strict.", ">\n\nRegular people want kids to stop dying while in school. The problem is \"stricter laws\" is vague and no one can agree on what it means or give a serious proposal that would work, short of confiscation and bans, which are wildly unpopular.", ">\n\nVague political talking points is the best we’re going to get. Much as I’d love a Ross Perot style of breaking down every platform and promise, the general public doesn’t go for it. Buzz words are all we have the attention span for.", ">\n\nChina's COVID-19 surge raises odds of new coronavirus variants\nThings could get very ugly.", ">\n\nYou say this like covid hasn't been spreading rampantly through literally every country on the planet, mostly without any measures to stop the spread. Why does China get a different treatment and maybe countries should require tests from the US or Inida or Europe?", ">\n\nI agree. US was primarily the culprit of why COVID went rampant to begin with. We actively refused to enforce any sort of safety measures, just a mild suggestion of \"maybe wear a mask, if you want to, it's ok if you don't\" and \"we have vaccines if you want one, no pressure tho\". That was really our response to the world's deadliest pandemic.", ">\n\nWe actively made fun of zero covid approaches on reddit and now based on the comments on this thread we are suddenly pro “zero covid” approaches", ">\n\nEveryone finally watched contagion", ">\n\nSo far my 2023 bingo card is reading alooot of skull and crossbones, I think I might actually win at something next year, what does your score card look like?", ">\n\nWhen’s that $1200 going to hit my account?", ">\n\nI’m still living off mine from last time!", ">\n\nI’m still looking for mine", ">\n\nI’m waiting for that $600 bucks from Biden still, but that’s going right into my retirement!", ">\n\nYou dont get he meant to include any money you already received as well /s", ">\n\nI seem to remember campaign ads with $2000 checks.", ">\n\nYep they explicitly mentioned $2,000 checks.", ">\n\nMy comment was sarcasm but in retrospect there are so many neoliberals saying that word for word in all seriousness that I should and will add a sarcasm tag", ">\n\nThat's nice and all, but let's not act like we're not just ignoring our own COVID problems.", ">\n\n\n\"You don't have zero tolerance anymore? We can't tolerate that.\"\n\n- Country with 100% tolerance", ">\n\nWhy not require a negative COVID test from everyone entering the country? It’s like they don’t want COVID to be under control.", ">\n\nI think this is because China has a relatively low vaccination rate because they relied on lock downs. Now that lock downs are being ramped down, they are having a huge surge.", ">\n\nThe vaccination rate in China is considerably higher than the US (92% vs 81%). This is just another example of yellow peril", ">\n\nThank you for pointing this out. What I said above was wrong about the vaccination rate. I don’t know why exactly China is having a surge. 🤷‍♂️", ">\n\nTheir vaccination rate is high but their vaccine, SinoVac is based on old tech. It conveys effectively zero protection from variants when compared to all the other types of vaccines on the market.", ">\n\nYou guys are so full of shit. At 3 doses Sinovac gives the same protection as any western vaccine with boosters to help mitigate mutated variants. Stop spreading misinfo.", ">\n\n\"Does that thumbnail of someone getting tested read too much like 'screaming uselessly into the void'?\"\n\"I'm sure it'll be fine.\"", ">\n\nMaybe, just maybe they shouldnt have stopped testing airplane passengers in the first place... \nWe have cheap, readily available tests that take 10 minutes to complete. There’s really no reason not to test ever passenger before boarding...", ">\n\nEveryone I know who had Omicron tested negative until their symptoms cleared. It was evading the RATs, for some reason.", ">\n\nI tested positive on a rapid test two days after getting congested. Every teacher coworker of mine who bothered to test after getting cold symptoms also did. I think it's why so few parents now test their kids before sending time to school sick. They don't want to know so we all find out when we or our family members then test positive, missing work on their sick kids' behalf so they didn't have to. \nI have also heard the rapid test can give false negatives but anecdotal references don't mean much.", ">\n\nA day late and a dollar short. Same old song and dance.", ">\n\nWow, it’s like history literally repeating itself.", ">\n\nIndeed it is. I hope everyone is prepared for what’s next.", ">\n\nWe should require negative COVID tests for people to fly within the US, too.\nIt makes no difference to me if the person who infects me at LAX is coming in from China, or from Texas.", ">\n\nThere is a high chance anyone that comes from China has Covid right now. Low chance that someone inside America has.", ">\n\nNaw. China’s percent is much higher, sure, but it’s not like US infection rates are low. You can pretty much guarantee an infected American on every sold out domestic flight. The latest variants are super, super contagious, and it only takes one infected person to pose a serious risk to the other people sharing their space, and then all of their families and friends after they land. All flights should still require testing and masking at this point, or all we’ve really accomplished is pacifying the dimwits and xenophobes.\nI know at least 3 people who 100% contracted COVID while flying domestically in the US this last month - because they were isolated for the incubation period beforehand. They were masked the entire time they were in the airport and on the plane.", ">\n\nIf they were masked up and I assume vaccinated and still caught the virus then preventable measures like these aren’t that effective.", ">\n\nIs there a new strain of Covid that isn't in the U.S yet, otherwise what's the point.", ">\n\nUm testing should not ever stop.", ">\n\nAh shit here we go again", ">\n\n\"Who left the fridge open?\"", ">\n\nIt's \"just a cold\" unless it's a non-white person from another country carrying it.\n/s", ">\n\nChina implemented an ineffective vaccine and had 30m+ cases in one day. It’s specifically that gov. refusing to use effective vaccines", ">\n\nAnd the United States had effective vaccines that half the country is not willing to nor willing to wear masks, while complaining to other countries like China about their travel restrictions (from China and Hong Kong). And honestly I’m not oppose to a tighter restriction on China while they are experiencing a surge in new cases just as it did with any other countries that initially loosen covid restrictions, what makes me question this being race or politically motivated is the hypocrisy; people complained about China being oppressive when it was enforcing all the covid restrictions and when they loosen it “China doesn’t care about human lives”.\nSo what exactly do you want them to do?", ">\n\n\nto Require Negative Covid Tests for Travelers From China\n\nLuckily China is well known for its systemic unwillingness to fake or counterfeit things, so everything should be fine.\nhonest.", ">\n\nSeems purely retaliatory with no actual effectiveness.\nEnforcement is over a week away and presumably China has hit its peak already (flights being 40% positive)", ">\n\nThe rich rats are going to buy fake tests and jump ship breaking quarantine just like they did in the first wave. Cutting flights or enforcing quarantines is the only way to prevent this stuff from jumping oceans but god forbid anybody inhibit the jet setters.", ">\n\nHALF of the passengers on a plane from China going to Italy tested positive the other day (tested on arrival). Chances are most if not all of them had negative test results they could show that they took before they left. This won't do anything to stop people coming into the US while positive..we are going to have to go through this all over again and we won't have the same somewhat cooperative response in the US this time if it is a variant that evades immunity... It will get REALLY bad.", ">\n\nSeriously they know red states will just let them in and will never do another shut down again. So start dealt with out break countries this way to slow it down or corner it. But I see very very bad days ahead for China and Russia is starting to report out breaks too.", ">\n\nMust. When?", ">\n\nWe already require this from canada iirc\nEdit: i was wrong, canada requires it from us.", ">\n\nI hope we are talking PCR tests... those store-bought 15-minute ones struggle to get a positive if you have any sort of vaccination, even while symptomatic and miserable.", ">\n\nWell, a little bit of good news. I'll take it.", ">\n\nTravel should have been 100$ restricted a long time ago. Travel should be restricted to any country experiencing a COVID outbreak.", ">\n\nWonderful. Another round of Asian hating.", ">\n\nWho's hating on Asians? We're trying to stop this virus from killing people.", ">\n\nor… ban flights from china??", ">\n\nDoesn’t make sense in singling out China when covid is widespread in every single country", ">\n\nThe extent of covid in china atm is just absurd. Two weeks ago, they had 37 MILLION cases in one day. Think about that. Thats more people than a lot of countries! \nsource", ">\n\nI wonder why China has so much trouble with COVID compared to other countries, despite being so strict.", ">\n\nIt’s because they had the zero covid approaches that people are advocating for in this thread and they suddenly reversed course. Everyone in China is getting it so fast its likely the same variants quickly spreading in a population that suddenly reversed course. Having many people getting it over time and exposed to new generations of the virus (which is what happens over time) is more insidious but people here think thats fine", ">\n\nEveryone saying this is racist, do not pay attention to the world", ">\n\nIt was called racist and xenophobic when Trump did it. The left are hypocritical emotional wrecks.", ">\n\nnah trump was racist or did you forget he called it the “china virus” and subsequent hate crimes increased against adians", ">\n\nLet’s not change the subject. We’re talking about testing travelers from China here. Always trying to deflect.", ">\n\nIs that what he did, though? That and nothing else? This is a Fox News headline, but I bet there's a lot more to it. There usually is.\nFYI, Italy is also requiring testing of travelers from China at this time.\nBecause of the high number of cases in China at this time.", ">\n\nSo many dumb replies here. I am sad about where humankind is at.", ">\n\nRound two people", ">\n\nWe need to ramp up testing again at border.", ">\n\nChina trying to stop Covid…lol! Fail miserably at that, build a huge infected population, then unleash it on the world. Great job China /s", ">\n\nSell then the Moderna vaccine so they can treat themselves, ans end this debacle.", ">\n\nEven if US send Moderna and Phizer vaccine, China will not use it, because they boast about \"superior\" Chinese vaccine and don't want to lose face.\n​\nUntil they change their attitude, I suggest keeping restriction in place for PRC travelers.", ">\n\nOh definitely.", ">\n\nCCP exporting covid again.", ">\n\nPaywall - can anyone help me read the article? It sounds great in theory but why wait so long? That’s how this all started in 2020. Test now!", ">\n\nChina has been in quarantine until the protests. They have a very low of vaccinated people, so now everyone's breathing on each other's necks, squeezing in tight places and now introducing another pandemic. \nI believe a combination of everyone quarantined for too long and non vaccinated people are making this a very deadly spread.", ">\n\nTheir vaccination rate is not too bad, except among the elderly. But their vaccine was shit even before all the variants.\nThey've been trying to use lockdown to prevent spread and with the new variants that just won't work.\nSo yeah, they're pretty fucked.", ">\n\nVaccination rate is good, but the rate of people who are up to date on boosters is where they fall short even beyond just the elderly. It also doesn't help that the vaccine being used is overall less effective than the ones being used elsewhere like you said. Makes those booster shots many are lacking even more critical.", ">\n\nApparently Americans only get worried when it’s Chinese people spreading Covid as opposed to their own residents, citizens and Europeans.", ">\n\nseems xenophobic /s", ">\n\noh I'm sure conservatives will be very concerned about the \"freedoms\" of those travelers from China", ">\n\nHow's this going to work for the 75% of all our manufactured goods coming in from China?", ">\n\nThank God Biden is doing this if it was Trump they call him racist .", ">\n\nTrump admin did this and it was hailed as a great idea, because it was. And is.\nWho tf cares who the man or president is when it comes to health? Why are some people like this?", ">\n\nYou know that wasnt true.", ">\n\nWhy would they make a move that would indisputably send hundreds of thousands of infected into the wider world including those that may wind up being infected with a new variant or two? \nCan we at least conclude that China does not care about this possibility? Is that verboten to say?\nCan an axiomatically correct statement still result in a ban?", ">\n\nSounds kinda racist.", ">\n\nMakes absolute sense considering what's currently going on there. Canada should do the same. I'll even go as far as say suspend visas / entry from that part of the world temporarily, until they can get it under control", ">\n\nMakes sense. China is exploding with covid and who knows if/when the next bad variant develops there.", ">\n\nLmao Reddit enjoying their shut in lives so much I’d rather jump off the tallest bridge near me before going into lockdowns again.", ">\n\nXenophobia", ">\n\nXenophobic Biden", ">\n\nPeople are acting like Covid stopped spreading in the US… The US just decided to ignore it, that is until China gained more cases, and now it’s back to fear mongering Chinese people. I see that xenophobia is still alive and well in the US.", ">\n\nMy family and I caught covid during Thanksgiving after being careful for two years. Fortunately, we're all vaccinated so the symptoms didn't hit us too hard. We just got lax with being careful, but we'll probably be wearing our masks in crowded places just to be safe.", ">\n\nI never stopped wearing masks in the US while going to stores. The reality is we have had waves of Covid here in the US, and we have had different mutations of variants too.", ">\n\nThats racist. Biden should be ashamed of himself for allowing such bigotry and hatred towards our Chinese brethren.", ">\n\nThis applies to anyone traveling from China, not just the Chinese.", ">\n\nI wouldn’t think another country was rascist if the USA had a huge surge and temporarily suspended flights to:from the USA until the numbers came down.", ">\n\nSame biological warfare when westerners were entering into China in 2022?", ">\n\n50 Cent army, out in full force!", ">\n\nWhy are we letting anyone in from China?", ">\n\nCitizens and most permanent residents cannot be refused admission.", ">\n\nOh, here we go again.", ">\n\nKind of ironic seeing how the US has worse cases lmao", ">\n\nUS will keep up the bio attacks until the world complies with their foreign policy. Which is to keep China from becoming a threat to its hegemony", ">\n\nWeird how we can’t make our own citizens mask or test but we can make sure travelers from other places do \nWild how absolutely absurd the timeline we’re living in js", ">\n\nGood. We should not allow anyone from any country the opportunity to enter our country without proof.", ">\n\nIt’s not xenophobia, it’s (D)ifferent this time. Maybe if they let trump try this in the first place", ">\n\nThis just adds fuel to racist anti-Asian sentiment in the US. What about all the people on the plane with Chinese travelers who aren't Chinese? If the situation warrants testing of anyone, it warrants testing of everyone.", ">\n\nThis is just politics. Do we really want to pretend we don’t have an overwhelming amount of COVID cases right now in America? Everyone knows most people don’t test unless they’re very sick (which is rare now) and most who even do test use at home tests and don’t report the results. Can we really just not admit to ourselves as a nation that for the overwhelming majority of people COVID no longer poses a serious threat? Hospitalization, death and long COVID are statistically insignificant for healthy vaccinated individuals at this point I don’t see why anyone can see this as anymore than political posturing.", ">\n\nWelcome to the virtue signaling zone.", ">\n\nWell ??? Why wouldn't we check considering their outbreak is significant. Seriously was this a question ?", ">\n\nChina’s authoritarian regime locked down their country for years… this contained rhe virus until mass protests as well as international condemnations. So I believe Chinese govt is teaching their citizens a lesson. Let them roam free and allow international travel into the country. Let them get severely ill and die. Then they will acknowledge and apologize to the government. This type of reverse psychology isn’t new.", ">\n\nWe the People require a vigilant health care approach to our borders at the expense of [Pure Greed] from those who capitalize on what ails us\nWe the People demand all institutions do a readiness check \nAt which time We the People can demand a Meeting of the Continental Congress to address the state of our union, to reboot the principles and powers of the American Constitution and Bill of Rights, to re instate the neutral balance of power in the houses and senate of all levels of our current government[ one party control is not the operation of the United States of America 🇺🇸]", ">\n\nIf only we had this kind of foresight 3 years ago… we could have avoided this whole mess.", ">\n\nAnd Trump was called xenophobic when we asked for the same thing", ">\n\nExactly", ">\n\nWe should have another global 2020-tier lockdown period, imo. Work at home, way less flights active etc.", ">\n\nAnd millions of people, children, the most disadvantaged would die and suffer", ">\n\nI feel like they need to extend this restriction to all of Europe as well. It’s already spread outside of China.", ">\n\nSo I’m guessing it’s not racist now that Biden is doing it.", ">\n\nAgeeed", ">\n\nSome will get through. We may be in trouble." ]
> The scientific and medical community believe China is headed for another outbreak so this step is a must
[ "People from China will travel through Europe and come in to America from the east coast like they did when the pandemic started. This will do nothing if all travelers aboard aren’t made to test.", ">\n\nLet's hope EU and other countries do the same.", ">\n\nI don't know if they will. Australia (for example) had some of the toughest Covid policies and they've essentially just thrown them all out the window.\nSo I don't know how willing countries are to go back to being overly concerned about Covid.", ">\n\nThey should be concerned w chinese, it's spreading like wildfire in china. If we aren't careful, they will come out w covid 20.", ">\n\nIt’s spreading everywhere including the USA. This policy has nothing to do with science or medicine. It’s just politics.", ">\n\nNo. It’s circulating like mad in a population of 1 billion people who haven’t been exposed before. This is how new variants come about. Every country should require negative Covid test for china at least until it cycles through the population", ">\n\n\nNo. It’s circulating like mad in a population of 1 billion people who haven’t been exposed before.\n\nIt's also spreading like mad in all the countries of the world including the USA.\n\nThis is how new variants come about. \n\nAnd they have been for years now.\n\nEvery country should require negative Covid test for china at least until it cycles through the population\n\nOnly for political reasons. There is no scientific or rational demand for this. \nI get it, you hate china, most americans hate china so just be honest and say what you really mean.", ">\n\nStrains are spreading in the west yes, but there are new strains in China that are spreading and we don't know if our vaccines will work with those strains. We know the Chinese vaccines have a low efficacy rate and we know they are not mRNA vaccines which allow for easier adaptation to new strains. Making travelers with a Chinese passport take Covid tests at any and all airports is not racist or even unfair - a reminder that China has been relatively hard to travel to for the last 2 years because they were locked down to foreign travel as well. This is simply good policy from a public health measure, and you not wanting to see that for what it is and instead attribute it to a nascent American hatred for China is laughable. the World Health Organization estimated close to 800 million new cases in China in the next few months, with another estimate 4 million deaths and countless new strains coming out during that period. This is about protection populations, not punishing China.", ">\n\n\nStrains are spreading in the west yes, but there are new strains in China that are spreading and we don't know if our vaccines will work with those strains.\n\nYou don't know if vaccines work against any new variant even if that variant is from a country populated with white people.\n\nWe know the Chinese vaccines have a low efficacy rate and we know they are not mRNA vaccines which allow for easier adaptation to new strains. \n\nThe vaccine doesn't adapt once inside of your body you know that right?\n\nMaking travelers with a Chinese passport take Covid tests at any and all airports is not racist or even unfair \n\nit's definitely unfair and probably racist as well.\n\nhis is simply good policy from a public health measure, a\n\nA good policy would be to require vaccinations from everybody. Think about it, you are requiring a vaccine that you said doesn't even work. How much sense does that make?\n\nattribute it to a nascent American hatred for China is laughable.\n\nNascent?\n\nThis is about protection populations, not punishing China.\n\nIt's definitely about punishing china, it's a part of the current cold war with China conducted by the USA.", ">\n\n\nYou don't know if vaccines work against any new variant even if that variant is from a country populated with white people.\n\nAll the more reason to not invite more new strains into the country. White population or otherwise has nothing to do with it, expected rise in cases in China does.\n\nThe vaccine doesn't adapt once inside of your body you know that right?\n\nYou missed the point. The point i was making was that the Chinese medical system has not even approached Covid with an mRNA vaccine, and steadfastly refused to license western vaccines. If the vaccine most readily available in China has a 50% efficacy then the population is at more risk of contracting the virus and having negative results. The infection rates are increased with each new case of BA.7 (China is currently seeing each covid patient infecting on average 18 other people represented as 1:18, whereas the in US the rate is 1:3.9). Each of these factors increases the risk of developing new strains that are vaccine resistant. \n\nit's definitely unfair and probably racist as well\n\nIs it your position that nations cannot take any prescriptive action to prevent the spread of infected persons from other countries? Again i would remind you that China has basically been locked down for the last 2 years, with severe limitations to personal freedoms themselves. This is not based on race, but rather a government's inability to contain a contagious outbreak in their own country and not wanting it to spread. \n\nA good policy would be to require vaccinations from everybody. Think about it, you are requiring a vaccine that you said doesn't even work. How much sense does that make?\n\nThat might be your definition on good policy, but it isn't mine and that isn't how the west does it. \"I\" am not requiring a vaccine that \"I\" said doesn't work - that was your suggestion not mine. Also, i said the efficacy of the Chinese vaccine is 50% - based on available information - i never said it didn't work, and i never said that it should be mandatory or required.\n\nNascent?\n\nPoor and wrong word choice on my part it seems. What i meant was ascribing the US decision to require testing of Chinese travelers to racism because you believe that the US is racist is laughable. Taking a test to prove that you are covid negative is far less onerous on a traveler than most visa requirements.\n\nIt's definitely about punishing china, it's a part of the current cold war with China conducted by the USA.\n\nCite your sources. I could point to many Chinese government policies that i could say are part of the current cold war with the US without backing it up and it would be just as credible as what you said. Opinion is not a source, and not proof. You assume that the US government is racist, that this policy is racist and yet we have had travel bans imposed on other countries, as well as testing required for travelers from other countries imposed before, and other policies and so has China. For goodness sake China has been closed to foreigners for almost 3 years, and is still closed to foreign travel until January 2023. Is that a racist policy as well?", ">\n\nHere we go again.\nThis time I think I'll learn French cooking.", ">\n\n5000 People a day will have to die before Anybody says the word Lock down in the States ever again.", ">\n\nDon’t understand why people can’t handle staying at home for two weeks when it could potentially eradicate a deadly virus. Are we that weak?", ">\n\nWe did that in large part in March 2020. And did China not spend years locking down their citizens? \nPeoples savings are gone. They need to work. \nWearing a mask would do a lot to help the issue but people aren’t willing to do that anymore.", ">\n\nWe didn't do that though. We didn't all lock down when we were supposed to. Where I work I had to go in from the very start all the way through. Most people, the majority of people, didn't stay home even if they didn't have work. Most people didn't fuck with masks or keeping a distance, and even people who weren't antivaccers didn't take the vaccine seriously for the longest time. \nWe had no fucking lock down, unless you were a well-off celebrity or comedian who wanted to talk about being locked down for content. \nIf people legit locked down, they would have taken a small hit financially, but too many people didn't do shit and prolonged everything.", ">\n\nThe things is that it doesn't take long to drain peoples saving - becuase the overwhelming majority of people have practically none. \nSo an extended lockdown was never feasible unless the government was willing to pay several trillion dollars of expenses, not just 2 or 3 times but several times over.", ">\n\nI didn't dispute any of what you said. I pointed out that most people actively contested any safety measure and most people didn't actually lock down. Any extension will almost certainly be the fault of most of those people. \nI'd gladly let them all die if it meant the few people who did take things seriously didn't have to live through a Walking Dead scenario or have to take a huge financial hit because them.", ">\n\nMost people did lock down just fine initially. After a few weeks turned into a month or more, yeah people got testy.\nAdditionally, a gigantic amount of people work in critical industries and simply cant stay home. Just keeping the lights and water on requires tens of millions of workers, plus industries like plants and refineries that simply cannot shut down without massive long-term consequences.\nReddit is full of office people who can WFH, the vast majority of people cant.", ">\n\nI was one of those who couldn't stay home. Right out of the gate most people gave up on almost all of it except when they were making a show of complying when they had to. There was a lot of cheating. I walk through a lot of different areas. The waves of patients and bodies we got at work tracked with that and became predictable.", ">\n\nWhat’s that saying that ends with ”…doomed to repeat it?”", ">\n\nWhy not just require a negative test from everyone?", ">\n\nWho would you expect to pay for that?", ">\n\nGovernments or sponsors from the private sector ideally, I honestly don’t give a fuck. I’ve gotten many free tests from both and I’ve also bought some for like $8.", ">\n\n“Here we go again” from everyone in the comments. \nThe virus never stopped, we did.", ">\n\nVirus will always be there. Permanent restrictions are unsustainable", ">\n\n3 years later...\nIs this permanent?", ">\n\nI doubt there's anything that would make Republicans running in 2024 happier then Democrats advocating for a return to COVID restrictions.", ">\n\nRight? It’d be like the democrats fighting for gun control, or gay and trans rights, or safe and legal abortions. It would be political suicide to stand for something that Republicans don’t like!", ">\n\nMy understanding is that everything you listed is broadly popular or has at least a majority of American's in favor of it. A return to COVID restrictions is not in that category.", ">\n\nGun control isn’t even universally loved amongst the American left, as the hard left needs them for protection from the hard right they clash with, and the middle left does like having their guns taken as much as any middle right wing does, only mid left likes it", ">\n\nGallup has 57% of Americans feeling that in general gun laws should be more strict.", ">\n\nRegular people want kids to stop dying while in school. The problem is \"stricter laws\" is vague and no one can agree on what it means or give a serious proposal that would work, short of confiscation and bans, which are wildly unpopular.", ">\n\nVague political talking points is the best we’re going to get. Much as I’d love a Ross Perot style of breaking down every platform and promise, the general public doesn’t go for it. Buzz words are all we have the attention span for.", ">\n\nChina's COVID-19 surge raises odds of new coronavirus variants\nThings could get very ugly.", ">\n\nYou say this like covid hasn't been spreading rampantly through literally every country on the planet, mostly without any measures to stop the spread. Why does China get a different treatment and maybe countries should require tests from the US or Inida or Europe?", ">\n\nI agree. US was primarily the culprit of why COVID went rampant to begin with. We actively refused to enforce any sort of safety measures, just a mild suggestion of \"maybe wear a mask, if you want to, it's ok if you don't\" and \"we have vaccines if you want one, no pressure tho\". That was really our response to the world's deadliest pandemic.", ">\n\nWe actively made fun of zero covid approaches on reddit and now based on the comments on this thread we are suddenly pro “zero covid” approaches", ">\n\nEveryone finally watched contagion", ">\n\nSo far my 2023 bingo card is reading alooot of skull and crossbones, I think I might actually win at something next year, what does your score card look like?", ">\n\nWhen’s that $1200 going to hit my account?", ">\n\nI’m still living off mine from last time!", ">\n\nI’m still looking for mine", ">\n\nI’m waiting for that $600 bucks from Biden still, but that’s going right into my retirement!", ">\n\nYou dont get he meant to include any money you already received as well /s", ">\n\nI seem to remember campaign ads with $2000 checks.", ">\n\nYep they explicitly mentioned $2,000 checks.", ">\n\nMy comment was sarcasm but in retrospect there are so many neoliberals saying that word for word in all seriousness that I should and will add a sarcasm tag", ">\n\nThat's nice and all, but let's not act like we're not just ignoring our own COVID problems.", ">\n\n\n\"You don't have zero tolerance anymore? We can't tolerate that.\"\n\n- Country with 100% tolerance", ">\n\nWhy not require a negative COVID test from everyone entering the country? It’s like they don’t want COVID to be under control.", ">\n\nI think this is because China has a relatively low vaccination rate because they relied on lock downs. Now that lock downs are being ramped down, they are having a huge surge.", ">\n\nThe vaccination rate in China is considerably higher than the US (92% vs 81%). This is just another example of yellow peril", ">\n\nThank you for pointing this out. What I said above was wrong about the vaccination rate. I don’t know why exactly China is having a surge. 🤷‍♂️", ">\n\nTheir vaccination rate is high but their vaccine, SinoVac is based on old tech. It conveys effectively zero protection from variants when compared to all the other types of vaccines on the market.", ">\n\nYou guys are so full of shit. At 3 doses Sinovac gives the same protection as any western vaccine with boosters to help mitigate mutated variants. Stop spreading misinfo.", ">\n\n\"Does that thumbnail of someone getting tested read too much like 'screaming uselessly into the void'?\"\n\"I'm sure it'll be fine.\"", ">\n\nMaybe, just maybe they shouldnt have stopped testing airplane passengers in the first place... \nWe have cheap, readily available tests that take 10 minutes to complete. There’s really no reason not to test ever passenger before boarding...", ">\n\nEveryone I know who had Omicron tested negative until their symptoms cleared. It was evading the RATs, for some reason.", ">\n\nI tested positive on a rapid test two days after getting congested. Every teacher coworker of mine who bothered to test after getting cold symptoms also did. I think it's why so few parents now test their kids before sending time to school sick. They don't want to know so we all find out when we or our family members then test positive, missing work on their sick kids' behalf so they didn't have to. \nI have also heard the rapid test can give false negatives but anecdotal references don't mean much.", ">\n\nA day late and a dollar short. Same old song and dance.", ">\n\nWow, it’s like history literally repeating itself.", ">\n\nIndeed it is. I hope everyone is prepared for what’s next.", ">\n\nWe should require negative COVID tests for people to fly within the US, too.\nIt makes no difference to me if the person who infects me at LAX is coming in from China, or from Texas.", ">\n\nThere is a high chance anyone that comes from China has Covid right now. Low chance that someone inside America has.", ">\n\nNaw. China’s percent is much higher, sure, but it’s not like US infection rates are low. You can pretty much guarantee an infected American on every sold out domestic flight. The latest variants are super, super contagious, and it only takes one infected person to pose a serious risk to the other people sharing their space, and then all of their families and friends after they land. All flights should still require testing and masking at this point, or all we’ve really accomplished is pacifying the dimwits and xenophobes.\nI know at least 3 people who 100% contracted COVID while flying domestically in the US this last month - because they were isolated for the incubation period beforehand. They were masked the entire time they were in the airport and on the plane.", ">\n\nIf they were masked up and I assume vaccinated and still caught the virus then preventable measures like these aren’t that effective.", ">\n\nIs there a new strain of Covid that isn't in the U.S yet, otherwise what's the point.", ">\n\nUm testing should not ever stop.", ">\n\nAh shit here we go again", ">\n\n\"Who left the fridge open?\"", ">\n\nIt's \"just a cold\" unless it's a non-white person from another country carrying it.\n/s", ">\n\nChina implemented an ineffective vaccine and had 30m+ cases in one day. It’s specifically that gov. refusing to use effective vaccines", ">\n\nAnd the United States had effective vaccines that half the country is not willing to nor willing to wear masks, while complaining to other countries like China about their travel restrictions (from China and Hong Kong). And honestly I’m not oppose to a tighter restriction on China while they are experiencing a surge in new cases just as it did with any other countries that initially loosen covid restrictions, what makes me question this being race or politically motivated is the hypocrisy; people complained about China being oppressive when it was enforcing all the covid restrictions and when they loosen it “China doesn’t care about human lives”.\nSo what exactly do you want them to do?", ">\n\n\nto Require Negative Covid Tests for Travelers From China\n\nLuckily China is well known for its systemic unwillingness to fake or counterfeit things, so everything should be fine.\nhonest.", ">\n\nSeems purely retaliatory with no actual effectiveness.\nEnforcement is over a week away and presumably China has hit its peak already (flights being 40% positive)", ">\n\nThe rich rats are going to buy fake tests and jump ship breaking quarantine just like they did in the first wave. Cutting flights or enforcing quarantines is the only way to prevent this stuff from jumping oceans but god forbid anybody inhibit the jet setters.", ">\n\nHALF of the passengers on a plane from China going to Italy tested positive the other day (tested on arrival). Chances are most if not all of them had negative test results they could show that they took before they left. This won't do anything to stop people coming into the US while positive..we are going to have to go through this all over again and we won't have the same somewhat cooperative response in the US this time if it is a variant that evades immunity... It will get REALLY bad.", ">\n\nSeriously they know red states will just let them in and will never do another shut down again. So start dealt with out break countries this way to slow it down or corner it. But I see very very bad days ahead for China and Russia is starting to report out breaks too.", ">\n\nMust. When?", ">\n\nWe already require this from canada iirc\nEdit: i was wrong, canada requires it from us.", ">\n\nI hope we are talking PCR tests... those store-bought 15-minute ones struggle to get a positive if you have any sort of vaccination, even while symptomatic and miserable.", ">\n\nWell, a little bit of good news. I'll take it.", ">\n\nTravel should have been 100$ restricted a long time ago. Travel should be restricted to any country experiencing a COVID outbreak.", ">\n\nWonderful. Another round of Asian hating.", ">\n\nWho's hating on Asians? We're trying to stop this virus from killing people.", ">\n\nor… ban flights from china??", ">\n\nDoesn’t make sense in singling out China when covid is widespread in every single country", ">\n\nThe extent of covid in china atm is just absurd. Two weeks ago, they had 37 MILLION cases in one day. Think about that. Thats more people than a lot of countries! \nsource", ">\n\nI wonder why China has so much trouble with COVID compared to other countries, despite being so strict.", ">\n\nIt’s because they had the zero covid approaches that people are advocating for in this thread and they suddenly reversed course. Everyone in China is getting it so fast its likely the same variants quickly spreading in a population that suddenly reversed course. Having many people getting it over time and exposed to new generations of the virus (which is what happens over time) is more insidious but people here think thats fine", ">\n\nEveryone saying this is racist, do not pay attention to the world", ">\n\nIt was called racist and xenophobic when Trump did it. The left are hypocritical emotional wrecks.", ">\n\nnah trump was racist or did you forget he called it the “china virus” and subsequent hate crimes increased against adians", ">\n\nLet’s not change the subject. We’re talking about testing travelers from China here. Always trying to deflect.", ">\n\nIs that what he did, though? That and nothing else? This is a Fox News headline, but I bet there's a lot more to it. There usually is.\nFYI, Italy is also requiring testing of travelers from China at this time.\nBecause of the high number of cases in China at this time.", ">\n\nSo many dumb replies here. I am sad about where humankind is at.", ">\n\nRound two people", ">\n\nWe need to ramp up testing again at border.", ">\n\nChina trying to stop Covid…lol! Fail miserably at that, build a huge infected population, then unleash it on the world. Great job China /s", ">\n\nSell then the Moderna vaccine so they can treat themselves, ans end this debacle.", ">\n\nEven if US send Moderna and Phizer vaccine, China will not use it, because they boast about \"superior\" Chinese vaccine and don't want to lose face.\n​\nUntil they change their attitude, I suggest keeping restriction in place for PRC travelers.", ">\n\nOh definitely.", ">\n\nCCP exporting covid again.", ">\n\nPaywall - can anyone help me read the article? It sounds great in theory but why wait so long? That’s how this all started in 2020. Test now!", ">\n\nChina has been in quarantine until the protests. They have a very low of vaccinated people, so now everyone's breathing on each other's necks, squeezing in tight places and now introducing another pandemic. \nI believe a combination of everyone quarantined for too long and non vaccinated people are making this a very deadly spread.", ">\n\nTheir vaccination rate is not too bad, except among the elderly. But their vaccine was shit even before all the variants.\nThey've been trying to use lockdown to prevent spread and with the new variants that just won't work.\nSo yeah, they're pretty fucked.", ">\n\nVaccination rate is good, but the rate of people who are up to date on boosters is where they fall short even beyond just the elderly. It also doesn't help that the vaccine being used is overall less effective than the ones being used elsewhere like you said. Makes those booster shots many are lacking even more critical.", ">\n\nApparently Americans only get worried when it’s Chinese people spreading Covid as opposed to their own residents, citizens and Europeans.", ">\n\nseems xenophobic /s", ">\n\noh I'm sure conservatives will be very concerned about the \"freedoms\" of those travelers from China", ">\n\nHow's this going to work for the 75% of all our manufactured goods coming in from China?", ">\n\nThank God Biden is doing this if it was Trump they call him racist .", ">\n\nTrump admin did this and it was hailed as a great idea, because it was. And is.\nWho tf cares who the man or president is when it comes to health? Why are some people like this?", ">\n\nYou know that wasnt true.", ">\n\nWhy would they make a move that would indisputably send hundreds of thousands of infected into the wider world including those that may wind up being infected with a new variant or two? \nCan we at least conclude that China does not care about this possibility? Is that verboten to say?\nCan an axiomatically correct statement still result in a ban?", ">\n\nSounds kinda racist.", ">\n\nMakes absolute sense considering what's currently going on there. Canada should do the same. I'll even go as far as say suspend visas / entry from that part of the world temporarily, until they can get it under control", ">\n\nMakes sense. China is exploding with covid and who knows if/when the next bad variant develops there.", ">\n\nLmao Reddit enjoying their shut in lives so much I’d rather jump off the tallest bridge near me before going into lockdowns again.", ">\n\nXenophobia", ">\n\nXenophobic Biden", ">\n\nPeople are acting like Covid stopped spreading in the US… The US just decided to ignore it, that is until China gained more cases, and now it’s back to fear mongering Chinese people. I see that xenophobia is still alive and well in the US.", ">\n\nMy family and I caught covid during Thanksgiving after being careful for two years. Fortunately, we're all vaccinated so the symptoms didn't hit us too hard. We just got lax with being careful, but we'll probably be wearing our masks in crowded places just to be safe.", ">\n\nI never stopped wearing masks in the US while going to stores. The reality is we have had waves of Covid here in the US, and we have had different mutations of variants too.", ">\n\nThats racist. Biden should be ashamed of himself for allowing such bigotry and hatred towards our Chinese brethren.", ">\n\nThis applies to anyone traveling from China, not just the Chinese.", ">\n\nI wouldn’t think another country was rascist if the USA had a huge surge and temporarily suspended flights to:from the USA until the numbers came down.", ">\n\nSame biological warfare when westerners were entering into China in 2022?", ">\n\n50 Cent army, out in full force!", ">\n\nWhy are we letting anyone in from China?", ">\n\nCitizens and most permanent residents cannot be refused admission.", ">\n\nOh, here we go again.", ">\n\nKind of ironic seeing how the US has worse cases lmao", ">\n\nUS will keep up the bio attacks until the world complies with their foreign policy. Which is to keep China from becoming a threat to its hegemony", ">\n\nWeird how we can’t make our own citizens mask or test but we can make sure travelers from other places do \nWild how absolutely absurd the timeline we’re living in js", ">\n\nGood. We should not allow anyone from any country the opportunity to enter our country without proof.", ">\n\nIt’s not xenophobia, it’s (D)ifferent this time. Maybe if they let trump try this in the first place", ">\n\nThis just adds fuel to racist anti-Asian sentiment in the US. What about all the people on the plane with Chinese travelers who aren't Chinese? If the situation warrants testing of anyone, it warrants testing of everyone.", ">\n\nThis is just politics. Do we really want to pretend we don’t have an overwhelming amount of COVID cases right now in America? Everyone knows most people don’t test unless they’re very sick (which is rare now) and most who even do test use at home tests and don’t report the results. Can we really just not admit to ourselves as a nation that for the overwhelming majority of people COVID no longer poses a serious threat? Hospitalization, death and long COVID are statistically insignificant for healthy vaccinated individuals at this point I don’t see why anyone can see this as anymore than political posturing.", ">\n\nWelcome to the virtue signaling zone.", ">\n\nWell ??? Why wouldn't we check considering their outbreak is significant. Seriously was this a question ?", ">\n\nChina’s authoritarian regime locked down their country for years… this contained rhe virus until mass protests as well as international condemnations. So I believe Chinese govt is teaching their citizens a lesson. Let them roam free and allow international travel into the country. Let them get severely ill and die. Then they will acknowledge and apologize to the government. This type of reverse psychology isn’t new.", ">\n\nWe the People require a vigilant health care approach to our borders at the expense of [Pure Greed] from those who capitalize on what ails us\nWe the People demand all institutions do a readiness check \nAt which time We the People can demand a Meeting of the Continental Congress to address the state of our union, to reboot the principles and powers of the American Constitution and Bill of Rights, to re instate the neutral balance of power in the houses and senate of all levels of our current government[ one party control is not the operation of the United States of America 🇺🇸]", ">\n\nIf only we had this kind of foresight 3 years ago… we could have avoided this whole mess.", ">\n\nAnd Trump was called xenophobic when we asked for the same thing", ">\n\nExactly", ">\n\nWe should have another global 2020-tier lockdown period, imo. Work at home, way less flights active etc.", ">\n\nAnd millions of people, children, the most disadvantaged would die and suffer", ">\n\nI feel like they need to extend this restriction to all of Europe as well. It’s already spread outside of China.", ">\n\nSo I’m guessing it’s not racist now that Biden is doing it.", ">\n\nAgeeed", ">\n\nSome will get through. We may be in trouble.", ">\n\nIt's a racist policy. Why not ban people from Florida from traveling to the rest of the US? What's the difference?" ]
> Canadian here. I traveled from Toronto's Pearson International airport to the U S in November for Thanksgiving and the majority of travelers going through security were, I'd guess, Chinese carrying passports from that country, most not wearing masks. I don't really know if they were Canadian citizens or not but their passports definitely were not.
[ "People from China will travel through Europe and come in to America from the east coast like they did when the pandemic started. This will do nothing if all travelers aboard aren’t made to test.", ">\n\nLet's hope EU and other countries do the same.", ">\n\nI don't know if they will. Australia (for example) had some of the toughest Covid policies and they've essentially just thrown them all out the window.\nSo I don't know how willing countries are to go back to being overly concerned about Covid.", ">\n\nThey should be concerned w chinese, it's spreading like wildfire in china. If we aren't careful, they will come out w covid 20.", ">\n\nIt’s spreading everywhere including the USA. This policy has nothing to do with science or medicine. It’s just politics.", ">\n\nNo. It’s circulating like mad in a population of 1 billion people who haven’t been exposed before. This is how new variants come about. Every country should require negative Covid test for china at least until it cycles through the population", ">\n\n\nNo. It’s circulating like mad in a population of 1 billion people who haven’t been exposed before.\n\nIt's also spreading like mad in all the countries of the world including the USA.\n\nThis is how new variants come about. \n\nAnd they have been for years now.\n\nEvery country should require negative Covid test for china at least until it cycles through the population\n\nOnly for political reasons. There is no scientific or rational demand for this. \nI get it, you hate china, most americans hate china so just be honest and say what you really mean.", ">\n\nStrains are spreading in the west yes, but there are new strains in China that are spreading and we don't know if our vaccines will work with those strains. We know the Chinese vaccines have a low efficacy rate and we know they are not mRNA vaccines which allow for easier adaptation to new strains. Making travelers with a Chinese passport take Covid tests at any and all airports is not racist or even unfair - a reminder that China has been relatively hard to travel to for the last 2 years because they were locked down to foreign travel as well. This is simply good policy from a public health measure, and you not wanting to see that for what it is and instead attribute it to a nascent American hatred for China is laughable. the World Health Organization estimated close to 800 million new cases in China in the next few months, with another estimate 4 million deaths and countless new strains coming out during that period. This is about protection populations, not punishing China.", ">\n\n\nStrains are spreading in the west yes, but there are new strains in China that are spreading and we don't know if our vaccines will work with those strains.\n\nYou don't know if vaccines work against any new variant even if that variant is from a country populated with white people.\n\nWe know the Chinese vaccines have a low efficacy rate and we know they are not mRNA vaccines which allow for easier adaptation to new strains. \n\nThe vaccine doesn't adapt once inside of your body you know that right?\n\nMaking travelers with a Chinese passport take Covid tests at any and all airports is not racist or even unfair \n\nit's definitely unfair and probably racist as well.\n\nhis is simply good policy from a public health measure, a\n\nA good policy would be to require vaccinations from everybody. Think about it, you are requiring a vaccine that you said doesn't even work. How much sense does that make?\n\nattribute it to a nascent American hatred for China is laughable.\n\nNascent?\n\nThis is about protection populations, not punishing China.\n\nIt's definitely about punishing china, it's a part of the current cold war with China conducted by the USA.", ">\n\n\nYou don't know if vaccines work against any new variant even if that variant is from a country populated with white people.\n\nAll the more reason to not invite more new strains into the country. White population or otherwise has nothing to do with it, expected rise in cases in China does.\n\nThe vaccine doesn't adapt once inside of your body you know that right?\n\nYou missed the point. The point i was making was that the Chinese medical system has not even approached Covid with an mRNA vaccine, and steadfastly refused to license western vaccines. If the vaccine most readily available in China has a 50% efficacy then the population is at more risk of contracting the virus and having negative results. The infection rates are increased with each new case of BA.7 (China is currently seeing each covid patient infecting on average 18 other people represented as 1:18, whereas the in US the rate is 1:3.9). Each of these factors increases the risk of developing new strains that are vaccine resistant. \n\nit's definitely unfair and probably racist as well\n\nIs it your position that nations cannot take any prescriptive action to prevent the spread of infected persons from other countries? Again i would remind you that China has basically been locked down for the last 2 years, with severe limitations to personal freedoms themselves. This is not based on race, but rather a government's inability to contain a contagious outbreak in their own country and not wanting it to spread. \n\nA good policy would be to require vaccinations from everybody. Think about it, you are requiring a vaccine that you said doesn't even work. How much sense does that make?\n\nThat might be your definition on good policy, but it isn't mine and that isn't how the west does it. \"I\" am not requiring a vaccine that \"I\" said doesn't work - that was your suggestion not mine. Also, i said the efficacy of the Chinese vaccine is 50% - based on available information - i never said it didn't work, and i never said that it should be mandatory or required.\n\nNascent?\n\nPoor and wrong word choice on my part it seems. What i meant was ascribing the US decision to require testing of Chinese travelers to racism because you believe that the US is racist is laughable. Taking a test to prove that you are covid negative is far less onerous on a traveler than most visa requirements.\n\nIt's definitely about punishing china, it's a part of the current cold war with China conducted by the USA.\n\nCite your sources. I could point to many Chinese government policies that i could say are part of the current cold war with the US without backing it up and it would be just as credible as what you said. Opinion is not a source, and not proof. You assume that the US government is racist, that this policy is racist and yet we have had travel bans imposed on other countries, as well as testing required for travelers from other countries imposed before, and other policies and so has China. For goodness sake China has been closed to foreigners for almost 3 years, and is still closed to foreign travel until January 2023. Is that a racist policy as well?", ">\n\nHere we go again.\nThis time I think I'll learn French cooking.", ">\n\n5000 People a day will have to die before Anybody says the word Lock down in the States ever again.", ">\n\nDon’t understand why people can’t handle staying at home for two weeks when it could potentially eradicate a deadly virus. Are we that weak?", ">\n\nWe did that in large part in March 2020. And did China not spend years locking down their citizens? \nPeoples savings are gone. They need to work. \nWearing a mask would do a lot to help the issue but people aren’t willing to do that anymore.", ">\n\nWe didn't do that though. We didn't all lock down when we were supposed to. Where I work I had to go in from the very start all the way through. Most people, the majority of people, didn't stay home even if they didn't have work. Most people didn't fuck with masks or keeping a distance, and even people who weren't antivaccers didn't take the vaccine seriously for the longest time. \nWe had no fucking lock down, unless you were a well-off celebrity or comedian who wanted to talk about being locked down for content. \nIf people legit locked down, they would have taken a small hit financially, but too many people didn't do shit and prolonged everything.", ">\n\nThe things is that it doesn't take long to drain peoples saving - becuase the overwhelming majority of people have practically none. \nSo an extended lockdown was never feasible unless the government was willing to pay several trillion dollars of expenses, not just 2 or 3 times but several times over.", ">\n\nI didn't dispute any of what you said. I pointed out that most people actively contested any safety measure and most people didn't actually lock down. Any extension will almost certainly be the fault of most of those people. \nI'd gladly let them all die if it meant the few people who did take things seriously didn't have to live through a Walking Dead scenario or have to take a huge financial hit because them.", ">\n\nMost people did lock down just fine initially. After a few weeks turned into a month or more, yeah people got testy.\nAdditionally, a gigantic amount of people work in critical industries and simply cant stay home. Just keeping the lights and water on requires tens of millions of workers, plus industries like plants and refineries that simply cannot shut down without massive long-term consequences.\nReddit is full of office people who can WFH, the vast majority of people cant.", ">\n\nI was one of those who couldn't stay home. Right out of the gate most people gave up on almost all of it except when they were making a show of complying when they had to. There was a lot of cheating. I walk through a lot of different areas. The waves of patients and bodies we got at work tracked with that and became predictable.", ">\n\nWhat’s that saying that ends with ”…doomed to repeat it?”", ">\n\nWhy not just require a negative test from everyone?", ">\n\nWho would you expect to pay for that?", ">\n\nGovernments or sponsors from the private sector ideally, I honestly don’t give a fuck. I’ve gotten many free tests from both and I’ve also bought some for like $8.", ">\n\n“Here we go again” from everyone in the comments. \nThe virus never stopped, we did.", ">\n\nVirus will always be there. Permanent restrictions are unsustainable", ">\n\n3 years later...\nIs this permanent?", ">\n\nI doubt there's anything that would make Republicans running in 2024 happier then Democrats advocating for a return to COVID restrictions.", ">\n\nRight? It’d be like the democrats fighting for gun control, or gay and trans rights, or safe and legal abortions. It would be political suicide to stand for something that Republicans don’t like!", ">\n\nMy understanding is that everything you listed is broadly popular or has at least a majority of American's in favor of it. A return to COVID restrictions is not in that category.", ">\n\nGun control isn’t even universally loved amongst the American left, as the hard left needs them for protection from the hard right they clash with, and the middle left does like having their guns taken as much as any middle right wing does, only mid left likes it", ">\n\nGallup has 57% of Americans feeling that in general gun laws should be more strict.", ">\n\nRegular people want kids to stop dying while in school. The problem is \"stricter laws\" is vague and no one can agree on what it means or give a serious proposal that would work, short of confiscation and bans, which are wildly unpopular.", ">\n\nVague political talking points is the best we’re going to get. Much as I’d love a Ross Perot style of breaking down every platform and promise, the general public doesn’t go for it. Buzz words are all we have the attention span for.", ">\n\nChina's COVID-19 surge raises odds of new coronavirus variants\nThings could get very ugly.", ">\n\nYou say this like covid hasn't been spreading rampantly through literally every country on the planet, mostly without any measures to stop the spread. Why does China get a different treatment and maybe countries should require tests from the US or Inida or Europe?", ">\n\nI agree. US was primarily the culprit of why COVID went rampant to begin with. We actively refused to enforce any sort of safety measures, just a mild suggestion of \"maybe wear a mask, if you want to, it's ok if you don't\" and \"we have vaccines if you want one, no pressure tho\". That was really our response to the world's deadliest pandemic.", ">\n\nWe actively made fun of zero covid approaches on reddit and now based on the comments on this thread we are suddenly pro “zero covid” approaches", ">\n\nEveryone finally watched contagion", ">\n\nSo far my 2023 bingo card is reading alooot of skull and crossbones, I think I might actually win at something next year, what does your score card look like?", ">\n\nWhen’s that $1200 going to hit my account?", ">\n\nI’m still living off mine from last time!", ">\n\nI’m still looking for mine", ">\n\nI’m waiting for that $600 bucks from Biden still, but that’s going right into my retirement!", ">\n\nYou dont get he meant to include any money you already received as well /s", ">\n\nI seem to remember campaign ads with $2000 checks.", ">\n\nYep they explicitly mentioned $2,000 checks.", ">\n\nMy comment was sarcasm but in retrospect there are so many neoliberals saying that word for word in all seriousness that I should and will add a sarcasm tag", ">\n\nThat's nice and all, but let's not act like we're not just ignoring our own COVID problems.", ">\n\n\n\"You don't have zero tolerance anymore? We can't tolerate that.\"\n\n- Country with 100% tolerance", ">\n\nWhy not require a negative COVID test from everyone entering the country? It’s like they don’t want COVID to be under control.", ">\n\nI think this is because China has a relatively low vaccination rate because they relied on lock downs. Now that lock downs are being ramped down, they are having a huge surge.", ">\n\nThe vaccination rate in China is considerably higher than the US (92% vs 81%). This is just another example of yellow peril", ">\n\nThank you for pointing this out. What I said above was wrong about the vaccination rate. I don’t know why exactly China is having a surge. 🤷‍♂️", ">\n\nTheir vaccination rate is high but their vaccine, SinoVac is based on old tech. It conveys effectively zero protection from variants when compared to all the other types of vaccines on the market.", ">\n\nYou guys are so full of shit. At 3 doses Sinovac gives the same protection as any western vaccine with boosters to help mitigate mutated variants. Stop spreading misinfo.", ">\n\n\"Does that thumbnail of someone getting tested read too much like 'screaming uselessly into the void'?\"\n\"I'm sure it'll be fine.\"", ">\n\nMaybe, just maybe they shouldnt have stopped testing airplane passengers in the first place... \nWe have cheap, readily available tests that take 10 minutes to complete. There’s really no reason not to test ever passenger before boarding...", ">\n\nEveryone I know who had Omicron tested negative until their symptoms cleared. It was evading the RATs, for some reason.", ">\n\nI tested positive on a rapid test two days after getting congested. Every teacher coworker of mine who bothered to test after getting cold symptoms also did. I think it's why so few parents now test their kids before sending time to school sick. They don't want to know so we all find out when we or our family members then test positive, missing work on their sick kids' behalf so they didn't have to. \nI have also heard the rapid test can give false negatives but anecdotal references don't mean much.", ">\n\nA day late and a dollar short. Same old song and dance.", ">\n\nWow, it’s like history literally repeating itself.", ">\n\nIndeed it is. I hope everyone is prepared for what’s next.", ">\n\nWe should require negative COVID tests for people to fly within the US, too.\nIt makes no difference to me if the person who infects me at LAX is coming in from China, or from Texas.", ">\n\nThere is a high chance anyone that comes from China has Covid right now. Low chance that someone inside America has.", ">\n\nNaw. China’s percent is much higher, sure, but it’s not like US infection rates are low. You can pretty much guarantee an infected American on every sold out domestic flight. The latest variants are super, super contagious, and it only takes one infected person to pose a serious risk to the other people sharing their space, and then all of their families and friends after they land. All flights should still require testing and masking at this point, or all we’ve really accomplished is pacifying the dimwits and xenophobes.\nI know at least 3 people who 100% contracted COVID while flying domestically in the US this last month - because they were isolated for the incubation period beforehand. They were masked the entire time they were in the airport and on the plane.", ">\n\nIf they were masked up and I assume vaccinated and still caught the virus then preventable measures like these aren’t that effective.", ">\n\nIs there a new strain of Covid that isn't in the U.S yet, otherwise what's the point.", ">\n\nUm testing should not ever stop.", ">\n\nAh shit here we go again", ">\n\n\"Who left the fridge open?\"", ">\n\nIt's \"just a cold\" unless it's a non-white person from another country carrying it.\n/s", ">\n\nChina implemented an ineffective vaccine and had 30m+ cases in one day. It’s specifically that gov. refusing to use effective vaccines", ">\n\nAnd the United States had effective vaccines that half the country is not willing to nor willing to wear masks, while complaining to other countries like China about their travel restrictions (from China and Hong Kong). And honestly I’m not oppose to a tighter restriction on China while they are experiencing a surge in new cases just as it did with any other countries that initially loosen covid restrictions, what makes me question this being race or politically motivated is the hypocrisy; people complained about China being oppressive when it was enforcing all the covid restrictions and when they loosen it “China doesn’t care about human lives”.\nSo what exactly do you want them to do?", ">\n\n\nto Require Negative Covid Tests for Travelers From China\n\nLuckily China is well known for its systemic unwillingness to fake or counterfeit things, so everything should be fine.\nhonest.", ">\n\nSeems purely retaliatory with no actual effectiveness.\nEnforcement is over a week away and presumably China has hit its peak already (flights being 40% positive)", ">\n\nThe rich rats are going to buy fake tests and jump ship breaking quarantine just like they did in the first wave. Cutting flights or enforcing quarantines is the only way to prevent this stuff from jumping oceans but god forbid anybody inhibit the jet setters.", ">\n\nHALF of the passengers on a plane from China going to Italy tested positive the other day (tested on arrival). Chances are most if not all of them had negative test results they could show that they took before they left. This won't do anything to stop people coming into the US while positive..we are going to have to go through this all over again and we won't have the same somewhat cooperative response in the US this time if it is a variant that evades immunity... It will get REALLY bad.", ">\n\nSeriously they know red states will just let them in and will never do another shut down again. So start dealt with out break countries this way to slow it down or corner it. But I see very very bad days ahead for China and Russia is starting to report out breaks too.", ">\n\nMust. When?", ">\n\nWe already require this from canada iirc\nEdit: i was wrong, canada requires it from us.", ">\n\nI hope we are talking PCR tests... those store-bought 15-minute ones struggle to get a positive if you have any sort of vaccination, even while symptomatic and miserable.", ">\n\nWell, a little bit of good news. I'll take it.", ">\n\nTravel should have been 100$ restricted a long time ago. Travel should be restricted to any country experiencing a COVID outbreak.", ">\n\nWonderful. Another round of Asian hating.", ">\n\nWho's hating on Asians? We're trying to stop this virus from killing people.", ">\n\nor… ban flights from china??", ">\n\nDoesn’t make sense in singling out China when covid is widespread in every single country", ">\n\nThe extent of covid in china atm is just absurd. Two weeks ago, they had 37 MILLION cases in one day. Think about that. Thats more people than a lot of countries! \nsource", ">\n\nI wonder why China has so much trouble with COVID compared to other countries, despite being so strict.", ">\n\nIt’s because they had the zero covid approaches that people are advocating for in this thread and they suddenly reversed course. Everyone in China is getting it so fast its likely the same variants quickly spreading in a population that suddenly reversed course. Having many people getting it over time and exposed to new generations of the virus (which is what happens over time) is more insidious but people here think thats fine", ">\n\nEveryone saying this is racist, do not pay attention to the world", ">\n\nIt was called racist and xenophobic when Trump did it. The left are hypocritical emotional wrecks.", ">\n\nnah trump was racist or did you forget he called it the “china virus” and subsequent hate crimes increased against adians", ">\n\nLet’s not change the subject. We’re talking about testing travelers from China here. Always trying to deflect.", ">\n\nIs that what he did, though? That and nothing else? This is a Fox News headline, but I bet there's a lot more to it. There usually is.\nFYI, Italy is also requiring testing of travelers from China at this time.\nBecause of the high number of cases in China at this time.", ">\n\nSo many dumb replies here. I am sad about where humankind is at.", ">\n\nRound two people", ">\n\nWe need to ramp up testing again at border.", ">\n\nChina trying to stop Covid…lol! Fail miserably at that, build a huge infected population, then unleash it on the world. Great job China /s", ">\n\nSell then the Moderna vaccine so they can treat themselves, ans end this debacle.", ">\n\nEven if US send Moderna and Phizer vaccine, China will not use it, because they boast about \"superior\" Chinese vaccine and don't want to lose face.\n​\nUntil they change their attitude, I suggest keeping restriction in place for PRC travelers.", ">\n\nOh definitely.", ">\n\nCCP exporting covid again.", ">\n\nPaywall - can anyone help me read the article? It sounds great in theory but why wait so long? That’s how this all started in 2020. Test now!", ">\n\nChina has been in quarantine until the protests. They have a very low of vaccinated people, so now everyone's breathing on each other's necks, squeezing in tight places and now introducing another pandemic. \nI believe a combination of everyone quarantined for too long and non vaccinated people are making this a very deadly spread.", ">\n\nTheir vaccination rate is not too bad, except among the elderly. But their vaccine was shit even before all the variants.\nThey've been trying to use lockdown to prevent spread and with the new variants that just won't work.\nSo yeah, they're pretty fucked.", ">\n\nVaccination rate is good, but the rate of people who are up to date on boosters is where they fall short even beyond just the elderly. It also doesn't help that the vaccine being used is overall less effective than the ones being used elsewhere like you said. Makes those booster shots many are lacking even more critical.", ">\n\nApparently Americans only get worried when it’s Chinese people spreading Covid as opposed to their own residents, citizens and Europeans.", ">\n\nseems xenophobic /s", ">\n\noh I'm sure conservatives will be very concerned about the \"freedoms\" of those travelers from China", ">\n\nHow's this going to work for the 75% of all our manufactured goods coming in from China?", ">\n\nThank God Biden is doing this if it was Trump they call him racist .", ">\n\nTrump admin did this and it was hailed as a great idea, because it was. And is.\nWho tf cares who the man or president is when it comes to health? Why are some people like this?", ">\n\nYou know that wasnt true.", ">\n\nWhy would they make a move that would indisputably send hundreds of thousands of infected into the wider world including those that may wind up being infected with a new variant or two? \nCan we at least conclude that China does not care about this possibility? Is that verboten to say?\nCan an axiomatically correct statement still result in a ban?", ">\n\nSounds kinda racist.", ">\n\nMakes absolute sense considering what's currently going on there. Canada should do the same. I'll even go as far as say suspend visas / entry from that part of the world temporarily, until they can get it under control", ">\n\nMakes sense. China is exploding with covid and who knows if/when the next bad variant develops there.", ">\n\nLmao Reddit enjoying their shut in lives so much I’d rather jump off the tallest bridge near me before going into lockdowns again.", ">\n\nXenophobia", ">\n\nXenophobic Biden", ">\n\nPeople are acting like Covid stopped spreading in the US… The US just decided to ignore it, that is until China gained more cases, and now it’s back to fear mongering Chinese people. I see that xenophobia is still alive and well in the US.", ">\n\nMy family and I caught covid during Thanksgiving after being careful for two years. Fortunately, we're all vaccinated so the symptoms didn't hit us too hard. We just got lax with being careful, but we'll probably be wearing our masks in crowded places just to be safe.", ">\n\nI never stopped wearing masks in the US while going to stores. The reality is we have had waves of Covid here in the US, and we have had different mutations of variants too.", ">\n\nThats racist. Biden should be ashamed of himself for allowing such bigotry and hatred towards our Chinese brethren.", ">\n\nThis applies to anyone traveling from China, not just the Chinese.", ">\n\nI wouldn’t think another country was rascist if the USA had a huge surge and temporarily suspended flights to:from the USA until the numbers came down.", ">\n\nSame biological warfare when westerners were entering into China in 2022?", ">\n\n50 Cent army, out in full force!", ">\n\nWhy are we letting anyone in from China?", ">\n\nCitizens and most permanent residents cannot be refused admission.", ">\n\nOh, here we go again.", ">\n\nKind of ironic seeing how the US has worse cases lmao", ">\n\nUS will keep up the bio attacks until the world complies with their foreign policy. Which is to keep China from becoming a threat to its hegemony", ">\n\nWeird how we can’t make our own citizens mask or test but we can make sure travelers from other places do \nWild how absolutely absurd the timeline we’re living in js", ">\n\nGood. We should not allow anyone from any country the opportunity to enter our country without proof.", ">\n\nIt’s not xenophobia, it’s (D)ifferent this time. Maybe if they let trump try this in the first place", ">\n\nThis just adds fuel to racist anti-Asian sentiment in the US. What about all the people on the plane with Chinese travelers who aren't Chinese? If the situation warrants testing of anyone, it warrants testing of everyone.", ">\n\nThis is just politics. Do we really want to pretend we don’t have an overwhelming amount of COVID cases right now in America? Everyone knows most people don’t test unless they’re very sick (which is rare now) and most who even do test use at home tests and don’t report the results. Can we really just not admit to ourselves as a nation that for the overwhelming majority of people COVID no longer poses a serious threat? Hospitalization, death and long COVID are statistically insignificant for healthy vaccinated individuals at this point I don’t see why anyone can see this as anymore than political posturing.", ">\n\nWelcome to the virtue signaling zone.", ">\n\nWell ??? Why wouldn't we check considering their outbreak is significant. Seriously was this a question ?", ">\n\nChina’s authoritarian regime locked down their country for years… this contained rhe virus until mass protests as well as international condemnations. So I believe Chinese govt is teaching their citizens a lesson. Let them roam free and allow international travel into the country. Let them get severely ill and die. Then they will acknowledge and apologize to the government. This type of reverse psychology isn’t new.", ">\n\nWe the People require a vigilant health care approach to our borders at the expense of [Pure Greed] from those who capitalize on what ails us\nWe the People demand all institutions do a readiness check \nAt which time We the People can demand a Meeting of the Continental Congress to address the state of our union, to reboot the principles and powers of the American Constitution and Bill of Rights, to re instate the neutral balance of power in the houses and senate of all levels of our current government[ one party control is not the operation of the United States of America 🇺🇸]", ">\n\nIf only we had this kind of foresight 3 years ago… we could have avoided this whole mess.", ">\n\nAnd Trump was called xenophobic when we asked for the same thing", ">\n\nExactly", ">\n\nWe should have another global 2020-tier lockdown period, imo. Work at home, way less flights active etc.", ">\n\nAnd millions of people, children, the most disadvantaged would die and suffer", ">\n\nI feel like they need to extend this restriction to all of Europe as well. It’s already spread outside of China.", ">\n\nSo I’m guessing it’s not racist now that Biden is doing it.", ">\n\nAgeeed", ">\n\nSome will get through. We may be in trouble.", ">\n\nIt's a racist policy. Why not ban people from Florida from traveling to the rest of the US? What's the difference?", ">\n\nThe scientific and medical community believe China is headed for another outbreak so this step is a must" ]
> Yet banning travel from China back in 2019-2020 was racist and xenophobic . No wonder the public has no confidence in the government.
[ "People from China will travel through Europe and come in to America from the east coast like they did when the pandemic started. This will do nothing if all travelers aboard aren’t made to test.", ">\n\nLet's hope EU and other countries do the same.", ">\n\nI don't know if they will. Australia (for example) had some of the toughest Covid policies and they've essentially just thrown them all out the window.\nSo I don't know how willing countries are to go back to being overly concerned about Covid.", ">\n\nThey should be concerned w chinese, it's spreading like wildfire in china. If we aren't careful, they will come out w covid 20.", ">\n\nIt’s spreading everywhere including the USA. This policy has nothing to do with science or medicine. It’s just politics.", ">\n\nNo. It’s circulating like mad in a population of 1 billion people who haven’t been exposed before. This is how new variants come about. Every country should require negative Covid test for china at least until it cycles through the population", ">\n\n\nNo. It’s circulating like mad in a population of 1 billion people who haven’t been exposed before.\n\nIt's also spreading like mad in all the countries of the world including the USA.\n\nThis is how new variants come about. \n\nAnd they have been for years now.\n\nEvery country should require negative Covid test for china at least until it cycles through the population\n\nOnly for political reasons. There is no scientific or rational demand for this. \nI get it, you hate china, most americans hate china so just be honest and say what you really mean.", ">\n\nStrains are spreading in the west yes, but there are new strains in China that are spreading and we don't know if our vaccines will work with those strains. We know the Chinese vaccines have a low efficacy rate and we know they are not mRNA vaccines which allow for easier adaptation to new strains. Making travelers with a Chinese passport take Covid tests at any and all airports is not racist or even unfair - a reminder that China has been relatively hard to travel to for the last 2 years because they were locked down to foreign travel as well. This is simply good policy from a public health measure, and you not wanting to see that for what it is and instead attribute it to a nascent American hatred for China is laughable. the World Health Organization estimated close to 800 million new cases in China in the next few months, with another estimate 4 million deaths and countless new strains coming out during that period. This is about protection populations, not punishing China.", ">\n\n\nStrains are spreading in the west yes, but there are new strains in China that are spreading and we don't know if our vaccines will work with those strains.\n\nYou don't know if vaccines work against any new variant even if that variant is from a country populated with white people.\n\nWe know the Chinese vaccines have a low efficacy rate and we know they are not mRNA vaccines which allow for easier adaptation to new strains. \n\nThe vaccine doesn't adapt once inside of your body you know that right?\n\nMaking travelers with a Chinese passport take Covid tests at any and all airports is not racist or even unfair \n\nit's definitely unfair and probably racist as well.\n\nhis is simply good policy from a public health measure, a\n\nA good policy would be to require vaccinations from everybody. Think about it, you are requiring a vaccine that you said doesn't even work. How much sense does that make?\n\nattribute it to a nascent American hatred for China is laughable.\n\nNascent?\n\nThis is about protection populations, not punishing China.\n\nIt's definitely about punishing china, it's a part of the current cold war with China conducted by the USA.", ">\n\n\nYou don't know if vaccines work against any new variant even if that variant is from a country populated with white people.\n\nAll the more reason to not invite more new strains into the country. White population or otherwise has nothing to do with it, expected rise in cases in China does.\n\nThe vaccine doesn't adapt once inside of your body you know that right?\n\nYou missed the point. The point i was making was that the Chinese medical system has not even approached Covid with an mRNA vaccine, and steadfastly refused to license western vaccines. If the vaccine most readily available in China has a 50% efficacy then the population is at more risk of contracting the virus and having negative results. The infection rates are increased with each new case of BA.7 (China is currently seeing each covid patient infecting on average 18 other people represented as 1:18, whereas the in US the rate is 1:3.9). Each of these factors increases the risk of developing new strains that are vaccine resistant. \n\nit's definitely unfair and probably racist as well\n\nIs it your position that nations cannot take any prescriptive action to prevent the spread of infected persons from other countries? Again i would remind you that China has basically been locked down for the last 2 years, with severe limitations to personal freedoms themselves. This is not based on race, but rather a government's inability to contain a contagious outbreak in their own country and not wanting it to spread. \n\nA good policy would be to require vaccinations from everybody. Think about it, you are requiring a vaccine that you said doesn't even work. How much sense does that make?\n\nThat might be your definition on good policy, but it isn't mine and that isn't how the west does it. \"I\" am not requiring a vaccine that \"I\" said doesn't work - that was your suggestion not mine. Also, i said the efficacy of the Chinese vaccine is 50% - based on available information - i never said it didn't work, and i never said that it should be mandatory or required.\n\nNascent?\n\nPoor and wrong word choice on my part it seems. What i meant was ascribing the US decision to require testing of Chinese travelers to racism because you believe that the US is racist is laughable. Taking a test to prove that you are covid negative is far less onerous on a traveler than most visa requirements.\n\nIt's definitely about punishing china, it's a part of the current cold war with China conducted by the USA.\n\nCite your sources. I could point to many Chinese government policies that i could say are part of the current cold war with the US without backing it up and it would be just as credible as what you said. Opinion is not a source, and not proof. You assume that the US government is racist, that this policy is racist and yet we have had travel bans imposed on other countries, as well as testing required for travelers from other countries imposed before, and other policies and so has China. For goodness sake China has been closed to foreigners for almost 3 years, and is still closed to foreign travel until January 2023. Is that a racist policy as well?", ">\n\nHere we go again.\nThis time I think I'll learn French cooking.", ">\n\n5000 People a day will have to die before Anybody says the word Lock down in the States ever again.", ">\n\nDon’t understand why people can’t handle staying at home for two weeks when it could potentially eradicate a deadly virus. Are we that weak?", ">\n\nWe did that in large part in March 2020. And did China not spend years locking down their citizens? \nPeoples savings are gone. They need to work. \nWearing a mask would do a lot to help the issue but people aren’t willing to do that anymore.", ">\n\nWe didn't do that though. We didn't all lock down when we were supposed to. Where I work I had to go in from the very start all the way through. Most people, the majority of people, didn't stay home even if they didn't have work. Most people didn't fuck with masks or keeping a distance, and even people who weren't antivaccers didn't take the vaccine seriously for the longest time. \nWe had no fucking lock down, unless you were a well-off celebrity or comedian who wanted to talk about being locked down for content. \nIf people legit locked down, they would have taken a small hit financially, but too many people didn't do shit and prolonged everything.", ">\n\nThe things is that it doesn't take long to drain peoples saving - becuase the overwhelming majority of people have practically none. \nSo an extended lockdown was never feasible unless the government was willing to pay several trillion dollars of expenses, not just 2 or 3 times but several times over.", ">\n\nI didn't dispute any of what you said. I pointed out that most people actively contested any safety measure and most people didn't actually lock down. Any extension will almost certainly be the fault of most of those people. \nI'd gladly let them all die if it meant the few people who did take things seriously didn't have to live through a Walking Dead scenario or have to take a huge financial hit because them.", ">\n\nMost people did lock down just fine initially. After a few weeks turned into a month or more, yeah people got testy.\nAdditionally, a gigantic amount of people work in critical industries and simply cant stay home. Just keeping the lights and water on requires tens of millions of workers, plus industries like plants and refineries that simply cannot shut down without massive long-term consequences.\nReddit is full of office people who can WFH, the vast majority of people cant.", ">\n\nI was one of those who couldn't stay home. Right out of the gate most people gave up on almost all of it except when they were making a show of complying when they had to. There was a lot of cheating. I walk through a lot of different areas. The waves of patients and bodies we got at work tracked with that and became predictable.", ">\n\nWhat’s that saying that ends with ”…doomed to repeat it?”", ">\n\nWhy not just require a negative test from everyone?", ">\n\nWho would you expect to pay for that?", ">\n\nGovernments or sponsors from the private sector ideally, I honestly don’t give a fuck. I’ve gotten many free tests from both and I’ve also bought some for like $8.", ">\n\n“Here we go again” from everyone in the comments. \nThe virus never stopped, we did.", ">\n\nVirus will always be there. Permanent restrictions are unsustainable", ">\n\n3 years later...\nIs this permanent?", ">\n\nI doubt there's anything that would make Republicans running in 2024 happier then Democrats advocating for a return to COVID restrictions.", ">\n\nRight? It’d be like the democrats fighting for gun control, or gay and trans rights, or safe and legal abortions. It would be political suicide to stand for something that Republicans don’t like!", ">\n\nMy understanding is that everything you listed is broadly popular or has at least a majority of American's in favor of it. A return to COVID restrictions is not in that category.", ">\n\nGun control isn’t even universally loved amongst the American left, as the hard left needs them for protection from the hard right they clash with, and the middle left does like having their guns taken as much as any middle right wing does, only mid left likes it", ">\n\nGallup has 57% of Americans feeling that in general gun laws should be more strict.", ">\n\nRegular people want kids to stop dying while in school. The problem is \"stricter laws\" is vague and no one can agree on what it means or give a serious proposal that would work, short of confiscation and bans, which are wildly unpopular.", ">\n\nVague political talking points is the best we’re going to get. Much as I’d love a Ross Perot style of breaking down every platform and promise, the general public doesn’t go for it. Buzz words are all we have the attention span for.", ">\n\nChina's COVID-19 surge raises odds of new coronavirus variants\nThings could get very ugly.", ">\n\nYou say this like covid hasn't been spreading rampantly through literally every country on the planet, mostly without any measures to stop the spread. Why does China get a different treatment and maybe countries should require tests from the US or Inida or Europe?", ">\n\nI agree. US was primarily the culprit of why COVID went rampant to begin with. We actively refused to enforce any sort of safety measures, just a mild suggestion of \"maybe wear a mask, if you want to, it's ok if you don't\" and \"we have vaccines if you want one, no pressure tho\". That was really our response to the world's deadliest pandemic.", ">\n\nWe actively made fun of zero covid approaches on reddit and now based on the comments on this thread we are suddenly pro “zero covid” approaches", ">\n\nEveryone finally watched contagion", ">\n\nSo far my 2023 bingo card is reading alooot of skull and crossbones, I think I might actually win at something next year, what does your score card look like?", ">\n\nWhen’s that $1200 going to hit my account?", ">\n\nI’m still living off mine from last time!", ">\n\nI’m still looking for mine", ">\n\nI’m waiting for that $600 bucks from Biden still, but that’s going right into my retirement!", ">\n\nYou dont get he meant to include any money you already received as well /s", ">\n\nI seem to remember campaign ads with $2000 checks.", ">\n\nYep they explicitly mentioned $2,000 checks.", ">\n\nMy comment was sarcasm but in retrospect there are so many neoliberals saying that word for word in all seriousness that I should and will add a sarcasm tag", ">\n\nThat's nice and all, but let's not act like we're not just ignoring our own COVID problems.", ">\n\n\n\"You don't have zero tolerance anymore? We can't tolerate that.\"\n\n- Country with 100% tolerance", ">\n\nWhy not require a negative COVID test from everyone entering the country? It’s like they don’t want COVID to be under control.", ">\n\nI think this is because China has a relatively low vaccination rate because they relied on lock downs. Now that lock downs are being ramped down, they are having a huge surge.", ">\n\nThe vaccination rate in China is considerably higher than the US (92% vs 81%). This is just another example of yellow peril", ">\n\nThank you for pointing this out. What I said above was wrong about the vaccination rate. I don’t know why exactly China is having a surge. 🤷‍♂️", ">\n\nTheir vaccination rate is high but their vaccine, SinoVac is based on old tech. It conveys effectively zero protection from variants when compared to all the other types of vaccines on the market.", ">\n\nYou guys are so full of shit. At 3 doses Sinovac gives the same protection as any western vaccine with boosters to help mitigate mutated variants. Stop spreading misinfo.", ">\n\n\"Does that thumbnail of someone getting tested read too much like 'screaming uselessly into the void'?\"\n\"I'm sure it'll be fine.\"", ">\n\nMaybe, just maybe they shouldnt have stopped testing airplane passengers in the first place... \nWe have cheap, readily available tests that take 10 minutes to complete. There’s really no reason not to test ever passenger before boarding...", ">\n\nEveryone I know who had Omicron tested negative until their symptoms cleared. It was evading the RATs, for some reason.", ">\n\nI tested positive on a rapid test two days after getting congested. Every teacher coworker of mine who bothered to test after getting cold symptoms also did. I think it's why so few parents now test their kids before sending time to school sick. They don't want to know so we all find out when we or our family members then test positive, missing work on their sick kids' behalf so they didn't have to. \nI have also heard the rapid test can give false negatives but anecdotal references don't mean much.", ">\n\nA day late and a dollar short. Same old song and dance.", ">\n\nWow, it’s like history literally repeating itself.", ">\n\nIndeed it is. I hope everyone is prepared for what’s next.", ">\n\nWe should require negative COVID tests for people to fly within the US, too.\nIt makes no difference to me if the person who infects me at LAX is coming in from China, or from Texas.", ">\n\nThere is a high chance anyone that comes from China has Covid right now. Low chance that someone inside America has.", ">\n\nNaw. China’s percent is much higher, sure, but it’s not like US infection rates are low. You can pretty much guarantee an infected American on every sold out domestic flight. The latest variants are super, super contagious, and it only takes one infected person to pose a serious risk to the other people sharing their space, and then all of their families and friends after they land. All flights should still require testing and masking at this point, or all we’ve really accomplished is pacifying the dimwits and xenophobes.\nI know at least 3 people who 100% contracted COVID while flying domestically in the US this last month - because they were isolated for the incubation period beforehand. They were masked the entire time they were in the airport and on the plane.", ">\n\nIf they were masked up and I assume vaccinated and still caught the virus then preventable measures like these aren’t that effective.", ">\n\nIs there a new strain of Covid that isn't in the U.S yet, otherwise what's the point.", ">\n\nUm testing should not ever stop.", ">\n\nAh shit here we go again", ">\n\n\"Who left the fridge open?\"", ">\n\nIt's \"just a cold\" unless it's a non-white person from another country carrying it.\n/s", ">\n\nChina implemented an ineffective vaccine and had 30m+ cases in one day. It’s specifically that gov. refusing to use effective vaccines", ">\n\nAnd the United States had effective vaccines that half the country is not willing to nor willing to wear masks, while complaining to other countries like China about their travel restrictions (from China and Hong Kong). And honestly I’m not oppose to a tighter restriction on China while they are experiencing a surge in new cases just as it did with any other countries that initially loosen covid restrictions, what makes me question this being race or politically motivated is the hypocrisy; people complained about China being oppressive when it was enforcing all the covid restrictions and when they loosen it “China doesn’t care about human lives”.\nSo what exactly do you want them to do?", ">\n\n\nto Require Negative Covid Tests for Travelers From China\n\nLuckily China is well known for its systemic unwillingness to fake or counterfeit things, so everything should be fine.\nhonest.", ">\n\nSeems purely retaliatory with no actual effectiveness.\nEnforcement is over a week away and presumably China has hit its peak already (flights being 40% positive)", ">\n\nThe rich rats are going to buy fake tests and jump ship breaking quarantine just like they did in the first wave. Cutting flights or enforcing quarantines is the only way to prevent this stuff from jumping oceans but god forbid anybody inhibit the jet setters.", ">\n\nHALF of the passengers on a plane from China going to Italy tested positive the other day (tested on arrival). Chances are most if not all of them had negative test results they could show that they took before they left. This won't do anything to stop people coming into the US while positive..we are going to have to go through this all over again and we won't have the same somewhat cooperative response in the US this time if it is a variant that evades immunity... It will get REALLY bad.", ">\n\nSeriously they know red states will just let them in and will never do another shut down again. So start dealt with out break countries this way to slow it down or corner it. But I see very very bad days ahead for China and Russia is starting to report out breaks too.", ">\n\nMust. When?", ">\n\nWe already require this from canada iirc\nEdit: i was wrong, canada requires it from us.", ">\n\nI hope we are talking PCR tests... those store-bought 15-minute ones struggle to get a positive if you have any sort of vaccination, even while symptomatic and miserable.", ">\n\nWell, a little bit of good news. I'll take it.", ">\n\nTravel should have been 100$ restricted a long time ago. Travel should be restricted to any country experiencing a COVID outbreak.", ">\n\nWonderful. Another round of Asian hating.", ">\n\nWho's hating on Asians? We're trying to stop this virus from killing people.", ">\n\nor… ban flights from china??", ">\n\nDoesn’t make sense in singling out China when covid is widespread in every single country", ">\n\nThe extent of covid in china atm is just absurd. Two weeks ago, they had 37 MILLION cases in one day. Think about that. Thats more people than a lot of countries! \nsource", ">\n\nI wonder why China has so much trouble with COVID compared to other countries, despite being so strict.", ">\n\nIt’s because they had the zero covid approaches that people are advocating for in this thread and they suddenly reversed course. Everyone in China is getting it so fast its likely the same variants quickly spreading in a population that suddenly reversed course. Having many people getting it over time and exposed to new generations of the virus (which is what happens over time) is more insidious but people here think thats fine", ">\n\nEveryone saying this is racist, do not pay attention to the world", ">\n\nIt was called racist and xenophobic when Trump did it. The left are hypocritical emotional wrecks.", ">\n\nnah trump was racist or did you forget he called it the “china virus” and subsequent hate crimes increased against adians", ">\n\nLet’s not change the subject. We’re talking about testing travelers from China here. Always trying to deflect.", ">\n\nIs that what he did, though? That and nothing else? This is a Fox News headline, but I bet there's a lot more to it. There usually is.\nFYI, Italy is also requiring testing of travelers from China at this time.\nBecause of the high number of cases in China at this time.", ">\n\nSo many dumb replies here. I am sad about where humankind is at.", ">\n\nRound two people", ">\n\nWe need to ramp up testing again at border.", ">\n\nChina trying to stop Covid…lol! Fail miserably at that, build a huge infected population, then unleash it on the world. Great job China /s", ">\n\nSell then the Moderna vaccine so they can treat themselves, ans end this debacle.", ">\n\nEven if US send Moderna and Phizer vaccine, China will not use it, because they boast about \"superior\" Chinese vaccine and don't want to lose face.\n​\nUntil they change their attitude, I suggest keeping restriction in place for PRC travelers.", ">\n\nOh definitely.", ">\n\nCCP exporting covid again.", ">\n\nPaywall - can anyone help me read the article? It sounds great in theory but why wait so long? That’s how this all started in 2020. Test now!", ">\n\nChina has been in quarantine until the protests. They have a very low of vaccinated people, so now everyone's breathing on each other's necks, squeezing in tight places and now introducing another pandemic. \nI believe a combination of everyone quarantined for too long and non vaccinated people are making this a very deadly spread.", ">\n\nTheir vaccination rate is not too bad, except among the elderly. But their vaccine was shit even before all the variants.\nThey've been trying to use lockdown to prevent spread and with the new variants that just won't work.\nSo yeah, they're pretty fucked.", ">\n\nVaccination rate is good, but the rate of people who are up to date on boosters is where they fall short even beyond just the elderly. It also doesn't help that the vaccine being used is overall less effective than the ones being used elsewhere like you said. Makes those booster shots many are lacking even more critical.", ">\n\nApparently Americans only get worried when it’s Chinese people spreading Covid as opposed to their own residents, citizens and Europeans.", ">\n\nseems xenophobic /s", ">\n\noh I'm sure conservatives will be very concerned about the \"freedoms\" of those travelers from China", ">\n\nHow's this going to work for the 75% of all our manufactured goods coming in from China?", ">\n\nThank God Biden is doing this if it was Trump they call him racist .", ">\n\nTrump admin did this and it was hailed as a great idea, because it was. And is.\nWho tf cares who the man or president is when it comes to health? Why are some people like this?", ">\n\nYou know that wasnt true.", ">\n\nWhy would they make a move that would indisputably send hundreds of thousands of infected into the wider world including those that may wind up being infected with a new variant or two? \nCan we at least conclude that China does not care about this possibility? Is that verboten to say?\nCan an axiomatically correct statement still result in a ban?", ">\n\nSounds kinda racist.", ">\n\nMakes absolute sense considering what's currently going on there. Canada should do the same. I'll even go as far as say suspend visas / entry from that part of the world temporarily, until they can get it under control", ">\n\nMakes sense. China is exploding with covid and who knows if/when the next bad variant develops there.", ">\n\nLmao Reddit enjoying their shut in lives so much I’d rather jump off the tallest bridge near me before going into lockdowns again.", ">\n\nXenophobia", ">\n\nXenophobic Biden", ">\n\nPeople are acting like Covid stopped spreading in the US… The US just decided to ignore it, that is until China gained more cases, and now it’s back to fear mongering Chinese people. I see that xenophobia is still alive and well in the US.", ">\n\nMy family and I caught covid during Thanksgiving after being careful for two years. Fortunately, we're all vaccinated so the symptoms didn't hit us too hard. We just got lax with being careful, but we'll probably be wearing our masks in crowded places just to be safe.", ">\n\nI never stopped wearing masks in the US while going to stores. The reality is we have had waves of Covid here in the US, and we have had different mutations of variants too.", ">\n\nThats racist. Biden should be ashamed of himself for allowing such bigotry and hatred towards our Chinese brethren.", ">\n\nThis applies to anyone traveling from China, not just the Chinese.", ">\n\nI wouldn’t think another country was rascist if the USA had a huge surge and temporarily suspended flights to:from the USA until the numbers came down.", ">\n\nSame biological warfare when westerners were entering into China in 2022?", ">\n\n50 Cent army, out in full force!", ">\n\nWhy are we letting anyone in from China?", ">\n\nCitizens and most permanent residents cannot be refused admission.", ">\n\nOh, here we go again.", ">\n\nKind of ironic seeing how the US has worse cases lmao", ">\n\nUS will keep up the bio attacks until the world complies with their foreign policy. Which is to keep China from becoming a threat to its hegemony", ">\n\nWeird how we can’t make our own citizens mask or test but we can make sure travelers from other places do \nWild how absolutely absurd the timeline we’re living in js", ">\n\nGood. We should not allow anyone from any country the opportunity to enter our country without proof.", ">\n\nIt’s not xenophobia, it’s (D)ifferent this time. Maybe if they let trump try this in the first place", ">\n\nThis just adds fuel to racist anti-Asian sentiment in the US. What about all the people on the plane with Chinese travelers who aren't Chinese? If the situation warrants testing of anyone, it warrants testing of everyone.", ">\n\nThis is just politics. Do we really want to pretend we don’t have an overwhelming amount of COVID cases right now in America? Everyone knows most people don’t test unless they’re very sick (which is rare now) and most who even do test use at home tests and don’t report the results. Can we really just not admit to ourselves as a nation that for the overwhelming majority of people COVID no longer poses a serious threat? Hospitalization, death and long COVID are statistically insignificant for healthy vaccinated individuals at this point I don’t see why anyone can see this as anymore than political posturing.", ">\n\nWelcome to the virtue signaling zone.", ">\n\nWell ??? Why wouldn't we check considering their outbreak is significant. Seriously was this a question ?", ">\n\nChina’s authoritarian regime locked down their country for years… this contained rhe virus until mass protests as well as international condemnations. So I believe Chinese govt is teaching their citizens a lesson. Let them roam free and allow international travel into the country. Let them get severely ill and die. Then they will acknowledge and apologize to the government. This type of reverse psychology isn’t new.", ">\n\nWe the People require a vigilant health care approach to our borders at the expense of [Pure Greed] from those who capitalize on what ails us\nWe the People demand all institutions do a readiness check \nAt which time We the People can demand a Meeting of the Continental Congress to address the state of our union, to reboot the principles and powers of the American Constitution and Bill of Rights, to re instate the neutral balance of power in the houses and senate of all levels of our current government[ one party control is not the operation of the United States of America 🇺🇸]", ">\n\nIf only we had this kind of foresight 3 years ago… we could have avoided this whole mess.", ">\n\nAnd Trump was called xenophobic when we asked for the same thing", ">\n\nExactly", ">\n\nWe should have another global 2020-tier lockdown period, imo. Work at home, way less flights active etc.", ">\n\nAnd millions of people, children, the most disadvantaged would die and suffer", ">\n\nI feel like they need to extend this restriction to all of Europe as well. It’s already spread outside of China.", ">\n\nSo I’m guessing it’s not racist now that Biden is doing it.", ">\n\nAgeeed", ">\n\nSome will get through. We may be in trouble.", ">\n\nIt's a racist policy. Why not ban people from Florida from traveling to the rest of the US? What's the difference?", ">\n\nThe scientific and medical community believe China is headed for another outbreak so this step is a must", ">\n\nCanadian here. I traveled from Toronto's Pearson International airport to the U S in November for Thanksgiving and the majority of travelers going through security were, I'd guess, Chinese carrying passports from that country, most not wearing masks. I don't really know if they were Canadian citizens or not but their passports definitely were not." ]
> I can’t believe the Biden admin actually went through this. They’re testing them just because they’re Chinese??? That is so racist smh
[ "People from China will travel through Europe and come in to America from the east coast like they did when the pandemic started. This will do nothing if all travelers aboard aren’t made to test.", ">\n\nLet's hope EU and other countries do the same.", ">\n\nI don't know if they will. Australia (for example) had some of the toughest Covid policies and they've essentially just thrown them all out the window.\nSo I don't know how willing countries are to go back to being overly concerned about Covid.", ">\n\nThey should be concerned w chinese, it's spreading like wildfire in china. If we aren't careful, they will come out w covid 20.", ">\n\nIt’s spreading everywhere including the USA. This policy has nothing to do with science or medicine. It’s just politics.", ">\n\nNo. It’s circulating like mad in a population of 1 billion people who haven’t been exposed before. This is how new variants come about. Every country should require negative Covid test for china at least until it cycles through the population", ">\n\n\nNo. It’s circulating like mad in a population of 1 billion people who haven’t been exposed before.\n\nIt's also spreading like mad in all the countries of the world including the USA.\n\nThis is how new variants come about. \n\nAnd they have been for years now.\n\nEvery country should require negative Covid test for china at least until it cycles through the population\n\nOnly for political reasons. There is no scientific or rational demand for this. \nI get it, you hate china, most americans hate china so just be honest and say what you really mean.", ">\n\nStrains are spreading in the west yes, but there are new strains in China that are spreading and we don't know if our vaccines will work with those strains. We know the Chinese vaccines have a low efficacy rate and we know they are not mRNA vaccines which allow for easier adaptation to new strains. Making travelers with a Chinese passport take Covid tests at any and all airports is not racist or even unfair - a reminder that China has been relatively hard to travel to for the last 2 years because they were locked down to foreign travel as well. This is simply good policy from a public health measure, and you not wanting to see that for what it is and instead attribute it to a nascent American hatred for China is laughable. the World Health Organization estimated close to 800 million new cases in China in the next few months, with another estimate 4 million deaths and countless new strains coming out during that period. This is about protection populations, not punishing China.", ">\n\n\nStrains are spreading in the west yes, but there are new strains in China that are spreading and we don't know if our vaccines will work with those strains.\n\nYou don't know if vaccines work against any new variant even if that variant is from a country populated with white people.\n\nWe know the Chinese vaccines have a low efficacy rate and we know they are not mRNA vaccines which allow for easier adaptation to new strains. \n\nThe vaccine doesn't adapt once inside of your body you know that right?\n\nMaking travelers with a Chinese passport take Covid tests at any and all airports is not racist or even unfair \n\nit's definitely unfair and probably racist as well.\n\nhis is simply good policy from a public health measure, a\n\nA good policy would be to require vaccinations from everybody. Think about it, you are requiring a vaccine that you said doesn't even work. How much sense does that make?\n\nattribute it to a nascent American hatred for China is laughable.\n\nNascent?\n\nThis is about protection populations, not punishing China.\n\nIt's definitely about punishing china, it's a part of the current cold war with China conducted by the USA.", ">\n\n\nYou don't know if vaccines work against any new variant even if that variant is from a country populated with white people.\n\nAll the more reason to not invite more new strains into the country. White population or otherwise has nothing to do with it, expected rise in cases in China does.\n\nThe vaccine doesn't adapt once inside of your body you know that right?\n\nYou missed the point. The point i was making was that the Chinese medical system has not even approached Covid with an mRNA vaccine, and steadfastly refused to license western vaccines. If the vaccine most readily available in China has a 50% efficacy then the population is at more risk of contracting the virus and having negative results. The infection rates are increased with each new case of BA.7 (China is currently seeing each covid patient infecting on average 18 other people represented as 1:18, whereas the in US the rate is 1:3.9). Each of these factors increases the risk of developing new strains that are vaccine resistant. \n\nit's definitely unfair and probably racist as well\n\nIs it your position that nations cannot take any prescriptive action to prevent the spread of infected persons from other countries? Again i would remind you that China has basically been locked down for the last 2 years, with severe limitations to personal freedoms themselves. This is not based on race, but rather a government's inability to contain a contagious outbreak in their own country and not wanting it to spread. \n\nA good policy would be to require vaccinations from everybody. Think about it, you are requiring a vaccine that you said doesn't even work. How much sense does that make?\n\nThat might be your definition on good policy, but it isn't mine and that isn't how the west does it. \"I\" am not requiring a vaccine that \"I\" said doesn't work - that was your suggestion not mine. Also, i said the efficacy of the Chinese vaccine is 50% - based on available information - i never said it didn't work, and i never said that it should be mandatory or required.\n\nNascent?\n\nPoor and wrong word choice on my part it seems. What i meant was ascribing the US decision to require testing of Chinese travelers to racism because you believe that the US is racist is laughable. Taking a test to prove that you are covid negative is far less onerous on a traveler than most visa requirements.\n\nIt's definitely about punishing china, it's a part of the current cold war with China conducted by the USA.\n\nCite your sources. I could point to many Chinese government policies that i could say are part of the current cold war with the US without backing it up and it would be just as credible as what you said. Opinion is not a source, and not proof. You assume that the US government is racist, that this policy is racist and yet we have had travel bans imposed on other countries, as well as testing required for travelers from other countries imposed before, and other policies and so has China. For goodness sake China has been closed to foreigners for almost 3 years, and is still closed to foreign travel until January 2023. Is that a racist policy as well?", ">\n\nHere we go again.\nThis time I think I'll learn French cooking.", ">\n\n5000 People a day will have to die before Anybody says the word Lock down in the States ever again.", ">\n\nDon’t understand why people can’t handle staying at home for two weeks when it could potentially eradicate a deadly virus. Are we that weak?", ">\n\nWe did that in large part in March 2020. And did China not spend years locking down their citizens? \nPeoples savings are gone. They need to work. \nWearing a mask would do a lot to help the issue but people aren’t willing to do that anymore.", ">\n\nWe didn't do that though. We didn't all lock down when we were supposed to. Where I work I had to go in from the very start all the way through. Most people, the majority of people, didn't stay home even if they didn't have work. Most people didn't fuck with masks or keeping a distance, and even people who weren't antivaccers didn't take the vaccine seriously for the longest time. \nWe had no fucking lock down, unless you were a well-off celebrity or comedian who wanted to talk about being locked down for content. \nIf people legit locked down, they would have taken a small hit financially, but too many people didn't do shit and prolonged everything.", ">\n\nThe things is that it doesn't take long to drain peoples saving - becuase the overwhelming majority of people have practically none. \nSo an extended lockdown was never feasible unless the government was willing to pay several trillion dollars of expenses, not just 2 or 3 times but several times over.", ">\n\nI didn't dispute any of what you said. I pointed out that most people actively contested any safety measure and most people didn't actually lock down. Any extension will almost certainly be the fault of most of those people. \nI'd gladly let them all die if it meant the few people who did take things seriously didn't have to live through a Walking Dead scenario or have to take a huge financial hit because them.", ">\n\nMost people did lock down just fine initially. After a few weeks turned into a month or more, yeah people got testy.\nAdditionally, a gigantic amount of people work in critical industries and simply cant stay home. Just keeping the lights and water on requires tens of millions of workers, plus industries like plants and refineries that simply cannot shut down without massive long-term consequences.\nReddit is full of office people who can WFH, the vast majority of people cant.", ">\n\nI was one of those who couldn't stay home. Right out of the gate most people gave up on almost all of it except when they were making a show of complying when they had to. There was a lot of cheating. I walk through a lot of different areas. The waves of patients and bodies we got at work tracked with that and became predictable.", ">\n\nWhat’s that saying that ends with ”…doomed to repeat it?”", ">\n\nWhy not just require a negative test from everyone?", ">\n\nWho would you expect to pay for that?", ">\n\nGovernments or sponsors from the private sector ideally, I honestly don’t give a fuck. I’ve gotten many free tests from both and I’ve also bought some for like $8.", ">\n\n“Here we go again” from everyone in the comments. \nThe virus never stopped, we did.", ">\n\nVirus will always be there. Permanent restrictions are unsustainable", ">\n\n3 years later...\nIs this permanent?", ">\n\nI doubt there's anything that would make Republicans running in 2024 happier then Democrats advocating for a return to COVID restrictions.", ">\n\nRight? It’d be like the democrats fighting for gun control, or gay and trans rights, or safe and legal abortions. It would be political suicide to stand for something that Republicans don’t like!", ">\n\nMy understanding is that everything you listed is broadly popular or has at least a majority of American's in favor of it. A return to COVID restrictions is not in that category.", ">\n\nGun control isn’t even universally loved amongst the American left, as the hard left needs them for protection from the hard right they clash with, and the middle left does like having their guns taken as much as any middle right wing does, only mid left likes it", ">\n\nGallup has 57% of Americans feeling that in general gun laws should be more strict.", ">\n\nRegular people want kids to stop dying while in school. The problem is \"stricter laws\" is vague and no one can agree on what it means or give a serious proposal that would work, short of confiscation and bans, which are wildly unpopular.", ">\n\nVague political talking points is the best we’re going to get. Much as I’d love a Ross Perot style of breaking down every platform and promise, the general public doesn’t go for it. Buzz words are all we have the attention span for.", ">\n\nChina's COVID-19 surge raises odds of new coronavirus variants\nThings could get very ugly.", ">\n\nYou say this like covid hasn't been spreading rampantly through literally every country on the planet, mostly without any measures to stop the spread. Why does China get a different treatment and maybe countries should require tests from the US or Inida or Europe?", ">\n\nI agree. US was primarily the culprit of why COVID went rampant to begin with. We actively refused to enforce any sort of safety measures, just a mild suggestion of \"maybe wear a mask, if you want to, it's ok if you don't\" and \"we have vaccines if you want one, no pressure tho\". That was really our response to the world's deadliest pandemic.", ">\n\nWe actively made fun of zero covid approaches on reddit and now based on the comments on this thread we are suddenly pro “zero covid” approaches", ">\n\nEveryone finally watched contagion", ">\n\nSo far my 2023 bingo card is reading alooot of skull and crossbones, I think I might actually win at something next year, what does your score card look like?", ">\n\nWhen’s that $1200 going to hit my account?", ">\n\nI’m still living off mine from last time!", ">\n\nI’m still looking for mine", ">\n\nI’m waiting for that $600 bucks from Biden still, but that’s going right into my retirement!", ">\n\nYou dont get he meant to include any money you already received as well /s", ">\n\nI seem to remember campaign ads with $2000 checks.", ">\n\nYep they explicitly mentioned $2,000 checks.", ">\n\nMy comment was sarcasm but in retrospect there are so many neoliberals saying that word for word in all seriousness that I should and will add a sarcasm tag", ">\n\nThat's nice and all, but let's not act like we're not just ignoring our own COVID problems.", ">\n\n\n\"You don't have zero tolerance anymore? We can't tolerate that.\"\n\n- Country with 100% tolerance", ">\n\nWhy not require a negative COVID test from everyone entering the country? It’s like they don’t want COVID to be under control.", ">\n\nI think this is because China has a relatively low vaccination rate because they relied on lock downs. Now that lock downs are being ramped down, they are having a huge surge.", ">\n\nThe vaccination rate in China is considerably higher than the US (92% vs 81%). This is just another example of yellow peril", ">\n\nThank you for pointing this out. What I said above was wrong about the vaccination rate. I don’t know why exactly China is having a surge. 🤷‍♂️", ">\n\nTheir vaccination rate is high but their vaccine, SinoVac is based on old tech. It conveys effectively zero protection from variants when compared to all the other types of vaccines on the market.", ">\n\nYou guys are so full of shit. At 3 doses Sinovac gives the same protection as any western vaccine with boosters to help mitigate mutated variants. Stop spreading misinfo.", ">\n\n\"Does that thumbnail of someone getting tested read too much like 'screaming uselessly into the void'?\"\n\"I'm sure it'll be fine.\"", ">\n\nMaybe, just maybe they shouldnt have stopped testing airplane passengers in the first place... \nWe have cheap, readily available tests that take 10 minutes to complete. There’s really no reason not to test ever passenger before boarding...", ">\n\nEveryone I know who had Omicron tested negative until their symptoms cleared. It was evading the RATs, for some reason.", ">\n\nI tested positive on a rapid test two days after getting congested. Every teacher coworker of mine who bothered to test after getting cold symptoms also did. I think it's why so few parents now test their kids before sending time to school sick. They don't want to know so we all find out when we or our family members then test positive, missing work on their sick kids' behalf so they didn't have to. \nI have also heard the rapid test can give false negatives but anecdotal references don't mean much.", ">\n\nA day late and a dollar short. Same old song and dance.", ">\n\nWow, it’s like history literally repeating itself.", ">\n\nIndeed it is. I hope everyone is prepared for what’s next.", ">\n\nWe should require negative COVID tests for people to fly within the US, too.\nIt makes no difference to me if the person who infects me at LAX is coming in from China, or from Texas.", ">\n\nThere is a high chance anyone that comes from China has Covid right now. Low chance that someone inside America has.", ">\n\nNaw. China’s percent is much higher, sure, but it’s not like US infection rates are low. You can pretty much guarantee an infected American on every sold out domestic flight. The latest variants are super, super contagious, and it only takes one infected person to pose a serious risk to the other people sharing their space, and then all of their families and friends after they land. All flights should still require testing and masking at this point, or all we’ve really accomplished is pacifying the dimwits and xenophobes.\nI know at least 3 people who 100% contracted COVID while flying domestically in the US this last month - because they were isolated for the incubation period beforehand. They were masked the entire time they were in the airport and on the plane.", ">\n\nIf they were masked up and I assume vaccinated and still caught the virus then preventable measures like these aren’t that effective.", ">\n\nIs there a new strain of Covid that isn't in the U.S yet, otherwise what's the point.", ">\n\nUm testing should not ever stop.", ">\n\nAh shit here we go again", ">\n\n\"Who left the fridge open?\"", ">\n\nIt's \"just a cold\" unless it's a non-white person from another country carrying it.\n/s", ">\n\nChina implemented an ineffective vaccine and had 30m+ cases in one day. It’s specifically that gov. refusing to use effective vaccines", ">\n\nAnd the United States had effective vaccines that half the country is not willing to nor willing to wear masks, while complaining to other countries like China about their travel restrictions (from China and Hong Kong). And honestly I’m not oppose to a tighter restriction on China while they are experiencing a surge in new cases just as it did with any other countries that initially loosen covid restrictions, what makes me question this being race or politically motivated is the hypocrisy; people complained about China being oppressive when it was enforcing all the covid restrictions and when they loosen it “China doesn’t care about human lives”.\nSo what exactly do you want them to do?", ">\n\n\nto Require Negative Covid Tests for Travelers From China\n\nLuckily China is well known for its systemic unwillingness to fake or counterfeit things, so everything should be fine.\nhonest.", ">\n\nSeems purely retaliatory with no actual effectiveness.\nEnforcement is over a week away and presumably China has hit its peak already (flights being 40% positive)", ">\n\nThe rich rats are going to buy fake tests and jump ship breaking quarantine just like they did in the first wave. Cutting flights or enforcing quarantines is the only way to prevent this stuff from jumping oceans but god forbid anybody inhibit the jet setters.", ">\n\nHALF of the passengers on a plane from China going to Italy tested positive the other day (tested on arrival). Chances are most if not all of them had negative test results they could show that they took before they left. This won't do anything to stop people coming into the US while positive..we are going to have to go through this all over again and we won't have the same somewhat cooperative response in the US this time if it is a variant that evades immunity... It will get REALLY bad.", ">\n\nSeriously they know red states will just let them in and will never do another shut down again. So start dealt with out break countries this way to slow it down or corner it. But I see very very bad days ahead for China and Russia is starting to report out breaks too.", ">\n\nMust. When?", ">\n\nWe already require this from canada iirc\nEdit: i was wrong, canada requires it from us.", ">\n\nI hope we are talking PCR tests... those store-bought 15-minute ones struggle to get a positive if you have any sort of vaccination, even while symptomatic and miserable.", ">\n\nWell, a little bit of good news. I'll take it.", ">\n\nTravel should have been 100$ restricted a long time ago. Travel should be restricted to any country experiencing a COVID outbreak.", ">\n\nWonderful. Another round of Asian hating.", ">\n\nWho's hating on Asians? We're trying to stop this virus from killing people.", ">\n\nor… ban flights from china??", ">\n\nDoesn’t make sense in singling out China when covid is widespread in every single country", ">\n\nThe extent of covid in china atm is just absurd. Two weeks ago, they had 37 MILLION cases in one day. Think about that. Thats more people than a lot of countries! \nsource", ">\n\nI wonder why China has so much trouble with COVID compared to other countries, despite being so strict.", ">\n\nIt’s because they had the zero covid approaches that people are advocating for in this thread and they suddenly reversed course. Everyone in China is getting it so fast its likely the same variants quickly spreading in a population that suddenly reversed course. Having many people getting it over time and exposed to new generations of the virus (which is what happens over time) is more insidious but people here think thats fine", ">\n\nEveryone saying this is racist, do not pay attention to the world", ">\n\nIt was called racist and xenophobic when Trump did it. The left are hypocritical emotional wrecks.", ">\n\nnah trump was racist or did you forget he called it the “china virus” and subsequent hate crimes increased against adians", ">\n\nLet’s not change the subject. We’re talking about testing travelers from China here. Always trying to deflect.", ">\n\nIs that what he did, though? That and nothing else? This is a Fox News headline, but I bet there's a lot more to it. There usually is.\nFYI, Italy is also requiring testing of travelers from China at this time.\nBecause of the high number of cases in China at this time.", ">\n\nSo many dumb replies here. I am sad about where humankind is at.", ">\n\nRound two people", ">\n\nWe need to ramp up testing again at border.", ">\n\nChina trying to stop Covid…lol! Fail miserably at that, build a huge infected population, then unleash it on the world. Great job China /s", ">\n\nSell then the Moderna vaccine so they can treat themselves, ans end this debacle.", ">\n\nEven if US send Moderna and Phizer vaccine, China will not use it, because they boast about \"superior\" Chinese vaccine and don't want to lose face.\n​\nUntil they change their attitude, I suggest keeping restriction in place for PRC travelers.", ">\n\nOh definitely.", ">\n\nCCP exporting covid again.", ">\n\nPaywall - can anyone help me read the article? It sounds great in theory but why wait so long? That’s how this all started in 2020. Test now!", ">\n\nChina has been in quarantine until the protests. They have a very low of vaccinated people, so now everyone's breathing on each other's necks, squeezing in tight places and now introducing another pandemic. \nI believe a combination of everyone quarantined for too long and non vaccinated people are making this a very deadly spread.", ">\n\nTheir vaccination rate is not too bad, except among the elderly. But their vaccine was shit even before all the variants.\nThey've been trying to use lockdown to prevent spread and with the new variants that just won't work.\nSo yeah, they're pretty fucked.", ">\n\nVaccination rate is good, but the rate of people who are up to date on boosters is where they fall short even beyond just the elderly. It also doesn't help that the vaccine being used is overall less effective than the ones being used elsewhere like you said. Makes those booster shots many are lacking even more critical.", ">\n\nApparently Americans only get worried when it’s Chinese people spreading Covid as opposed to their own residents, citizens and Europeans.", ">\n\nseems xenophobic /s", ">\n\noh I'm sure conservatives will be very concerned about the \"freedoms\" of those travelers from China", ">\n\nHow's this going to work for the 75% of all our manufactured goods coming in from China?", ">\n\nThank God Biden is doing this if it was Trump they call him racist .", ">\n\nTrump admin did this and it was hailed as a great idea, because it was. And is.\nWho tf cares who the man or president is when it comes to health? Why are some people like this?", ">\n\nYou know that wasnt true.", ">\n\nWhy would they make a move that would indisputably send hundreds of thousands of infected into the wider world including those that may wind up being infected with a new variant or two? \nCan we at least conclude that China does not care about this possibility? Is that verboten to say?\nCan an axiomatically correct statement still result in a ban?", ">\n\nSounds kinda racist.", ">\n\nMakes absolute sense considering what's currently going on there. Canada should do the same. I'll even go as far as say suspend visas / entry from that part of the world temporarily, until they can get it under control", ">\n\nMakes sense. China is exploding with covid and who knows if/when the next bad variant develops there.", ">\n\nLmao Reddit enjoying their shut in lives so much I’d rather jump off the tallest bridge near me before going into lockdowns again.", ">\n\nXenophobia", ">\n\nXenophobic Biden", ">\n\nPeople are acting like Covid stopped spreading in the US… The US just decided to ignore it, that is until China gained more cases, and now it’s back to fear mongering Chinese people. I see that xenophobia is still alive and well in the US.", ">\n\nMy family and I caught covid during Thanksgiving after being careful for two years. Fortunately, we're all vaccinated so the symptoms didn't hit us too hard. We just got lax with being careful, but we'll probably be wearing our masks in crowded places just to be safe.", ">\n\nI never stopped wearing masks in the US while going to stores. The reality is we have had waves of Covid here in the US, and we have had different mutations of variants too.", ">\n\nThats racist. Biden should be ashamed of himself for allowing such bigotry and hatred towards our Chinese brethren.", ">\n\nThis applies to anyone traveling from China, not just the Chinese.", ">\n\nI wouldn’t think another country was rascist if the USA had a huge surge and temporarily suspended flights to:from the USA until the numbers came down.", ">\n\nSame biological warfare when westerners were entering into China in 2022?", ">\n\n50 Cent army, out in full force!", ">\n\nWhy are we letting anyone in from China?", ">\n\nCitizens and most permanent residents cannot be refused admission.", ">\n\nOh, here we go again.", ">\n\nKind of ironic seeing how the US has worse cases lmao", ">\n\nUS will keep up the bio attacks until the world complies with their foreign policy. Which is to keep China from becoming a threat to its hegemony", ">\n\nWeird how we can’t make our own citizens mask or test but we can make sure travelers from other places do \nWild how absolutely absurd the timeline we’re living in js", ">\n\nGood. We should not allow anyone from any country the opportunity to enter our country without proof.", ">\n\nIt’s not xenophobia, it’s (D)ifferent this time. Maybe if they let trump try this in the first place", ">\n\nThis just adds fuel to racist anti-Asian sentiment in the US. What about all the people on the plane with Chinese travelers who aren't Chinese? If the situation warrants testing of anyone, it warrants testing of everyone.", ">\n\nThis is just politics. Do we really want to pretend we don’t have an overwhelming amount of COVID cases right now in America? Everyone knows most people don’t test unless they’re very sick (which is rare now) and most who even do test use at home tests and don’t report the results. Can we really just not admit to ourselves as a nation that for the overwhelming majority of people COVID no longer poses a serious threat? Hospitalization, death and long COVID are statistically insignificant for healthy vaccinated individuals at this point I don’t see why anyone can see this as anymore than political posturing.", ">\n\nWelcome to the virtue signaling zone.", ">\n\nWell ??? Why wouldn't we check considering their outbreak is significant. Seriously was this a question ?", ">\n\nChina’s authoritarian regime locked down their country for years… this contained rhe virus until mass protests as well as international condemnations. So I believe Chinese govt is teaching their citizens a lesson. Let them roam free and allow international travel into the country. Let them get severely ill and die. Then they will acknowledge and apologize to the government. This type of reverse psychology isn’t new.", ">\n\nWe the People require a vigilant health care approach to our borders at the expense of [Pure Greed] from those who capitalize on what ails us\nWe the People demand all institutions do a readiness check \nAt which time We the People can demand a Meeting of the Continental Congress to address the state of our union, to reboot the principles and powers of the American Constitution and Bill of Rights, to re instate the neutral balance of power in the houses and senate of all levels of our current government[ one party control is not the operation of the United States of America 🇺🇸]", ">\n\nIf only we had this kind of foresight 3 years ago… we could have avoided this whole mess.", ">\n\nAnd Trump was called xenophobic when we asked for the same thing", ">\n\nExactly", ">\n\nWe should have another global 2020-tier lockdown period, imo. Work at home, way less flights active etc.", ">\n\nAnd millions of people, children, the most disadvantaged would die and suffer", ">\n\nI feel like they need to extend this restriction to all of Europe as well. It’s already spread outside of China.", ">\n\nSo I’m guessing it’s not racist now that Biden is doing it.", ">\n\nAgeeed", ">\n\nSome will get through. We may be in trouble.", ">\n\nIt's a racist policy. Why not ban people from Florida from traveling to the rest of the US? What's the difference?", ">\n\nThe scientific and medical community believe China is headed for another outbreak so this step is a must", ">\n\nCanadian here. I traveled from Toronto's Pearson International airport to the U S in November for Thanksgiving and the majority of travelers going through security were, I'd guess, Chinese carrying passports from that country, most not wearing masks. I don't really know if they were Canadian citizens or not but their passports definitely were not.", ">\n\nYet banning travel from China back in 2019-2020 was racist and xenophobic . No wonder the public has no confidence in the government." ]
> This applies to anyone coming from China, not just Chinese citizens. It’s based on the ongoing outbreak, not their race.
[ "People from China will travel through Europe and come in to America from the east coast like they did when the pandemic started. This will do nothing if all travelers aboard aren’t made to test.", ">\n\nLet's hope EU and other countries do the same.", ">\n\nI don't know if they will. Australia (for example) had some of the toughest Covid policies and they've essentially just thrown them all out the window.\nSo I don't know how willing countries are to go back to being overly concerned about Covid.", ">\n\nThey should be concerned w chinese, it's spreading like wildfire in china. If we aren't careful, they will come out w covid 20.", ">\n\nIt’s spreading everywhere including the USA. This policy has nothing to do with science or medicine. It’s just politics.", ">\n\nNo. It’s circulating like mad in a population of 1 billion people who haven’t been exposed before. This is how new variants come about. Every country should require negative Covid test for china at least until it cycles through the population", ">\n\n\nNo. It’s circulating like mad in a population of 1 billion people who haven’t been exposed before.\n\nIt's also spreading like mad in all the countries of the world including the USA.\n\nThis is how new variants come about. \n\nAnd they have been for years now.\n\nEvery country should require negative Covid test for china at least until it cycles through the population\n\nOnly for political reasons. There is no scientific or rational demand for this. \nI get it, you hate china, most americans hate china so just be honest and say what you really mean.", ">\n\nStrains are spreading in the west yes, but there are new strains in China that are spreading and we don't know if our vaccines will work with those strains. We know the Chinese vaccines have a low efficacy rate and we know they are not mRNA vaccines which allow for easier adaptation to new strains. Making travelers with a Chinese passport take Covid tests at any and all airports is not racist or even unfair - a reminder that China has been relatively hard to travel to for the last 2 years because they were locked down to foreign travel as well. This is simply good policy from a public health measure, and you not wanting to see that for what it is and instead attribute it to a nascent American hatred for China is laughable. the World Health Organization estimated close to 800 million new cases in China in the next few months, with another estimate 4 million deaths and countless new strains coming out during that period. This is about protection populations, not punishing China.", ">\n\n\nStrains are spreading in the west yes, but there are new strains in China that are spreading and we don't know if our vaccines will work with those strains.\n\nYou don't know if vaccines work against any new variant even if that variant is from a country populated with white people.\n\nWe know the Chinese vaccines have a low efficacy rate and we know they are not mRNA vaccines which allow for easier adaptation to new strains. \n\nThe vaccine doesn't adapt once inside of your body you know that right?\n\nMaking travelers with a Chinese passport take Covid tests at any and all airports is not racist or even unfair \n\nit's definitely unfair and probably racist as well.\n\nhis is simply good policy from a public health measure, a\n\nA good policy would be to require vaccinations from everybody. Think about it, you are requiring a vaccine that you said doesn't even work. How much sense does that make?\n\nattribute it to a nascent American hatred for China is laughable.\n\nNascent?\n\nThis is about protection populations, not punishing China.\n\nIt's definitely about punishing china, it's a part of the current cold war with China conducted by the USA.", ">\n\n\nYou don't know if vaccines work against any new variant even if that variant is from a country populated with white people.\n\nAll the more reason to not invite more new strains into the country. White population or otherwise has nothing to do with it, expected rise in cases in China does.\n\nThe vaccine doesn't adapt once inside of your body you know that right?\n\nYou missed the point. The point i was making was that the Chinese medical system has not even approached Covid with an mRNA vaccine, and steadfastly refused to license western vaccines. If the vaccine most readily available in China has a 50% efficacy then the population is at more risk of contracting the virus and having negative results. The infection rates are increased with each new case of BA.7 (China is currently seeing each covid patient infecting on average 18 other people represented as 1:18, whereas the in US the rate is 1:3.9). Each of these factors increases the risk of developing new strains that are vaccine resistant. \n\nit's definitely unfair and probably racist as well\n\nIs it your position that nations cannot take any prescriptive action to prevent the spread of infected persons from other countries? Again i would remind you that China has basically been locked down for the last 2 years, with severe limitations to personal freedoms themselves. This is not based on race, but rather a government's inability to contain a contagious outbreak in their own country and not wanting it to spread. \n\nA good policy would be to require vaccinations from everybody. Think about it, you are requiring a vaccine that you said doesn't even work. How much sense does that make?\n\nThat might be your definition on good policy, but it isn't mine and that isn't how the west does it. \"I\" am not requiring a vaccine that \"I\" said doesn't work - that was your suggestion not mine. Also, i said the efficacy of the Chinese vaccine is 50% - based on available information - i never said it didn't work, and i never said that it should be mandatory or required.\n\nNascent?\n\nPoor and wrong word choice on my part it seems. What i meant was ascribing the US decision to require testing of Chinese travelers to racism because you believe that the US is racist is laughable. Taking a test to prove that you are covid negative is far less onerous on a traveler than most visa requirements.\n\nIt's definitely about punishing china, it's a part of the current cold war with China conducted by the USA.\n\nCite your sources. I could point to many Chinese government policies that i could say are part of the current cold war with the US without backing it up and it would be just as credible as what you said. Opinion is not a source, and not proof. You assume that the US government is racist, that this policy is racist and yet we have had travel bans imposed on other countries, as well as testing required for travelers from other countries imposed before, and other policies and so has China. For goodness sake China has been closed to foreigners for almost 3 years, and is still closed to foreign travel until January 2023. Is that a racist policy as well?", ">\n\nHere we go again.\nThis time I think I'll learn French cooking.", ">\n\n5000 People a day will have to die before Anybody says the word Lock down in the States ever again.", ">\n\nDon’t understand why people can’t handle staying at home for two weeks when it could potentially eradicate a deadly virus. Are we that weak?", ">\n\nWe did that in large part in March 2020. And did China not spend years locking down their citizens? \nPeoples savings are gone. They need to work. \nWearing a mask would do a lot to help the issue but people aren’t willing to do that anymore.", ">\n\nWe didn't do that though. We didn't all lock down when we were supposed to. Where I work I had to go in from the very start all the way through. Most people, the majority of people, didn't stay home even if they didn't have work. Most people didn't fuck with masks or keeping a distance, and even people who weren't antivaccers didn't take the vaccine seriously for the longest time. \nWe had no fucking lock down, unless you were a well-off celebrity or comedian who wanted to talk about being locked down for content. \nIf people legit locked down, they would have taken a small hit financially, but too many people didn't do shit and prolonged everything.", ">\n\nThe things is that it doesn't take long to drain peoples saving - becuase the overwhelming majority of people have practically none. \nSo an extended lockdown was never feasible unless the government was willing to pay several trillion dollars of expenses, not just 2 or 3 times but several times over.", ">\n\nI didn't dispute any of what you said. I pointed out that most people actively contested any safety measure and most people didn't actually lock down. Any extension will almost certainly be the fault of most of those people. \nI'd gladly let them all die if it meant the few people who did take things seriously didn't have to live through a Walking Dead scenario or have to take a huge financial hit because them.", ">\n\nMost people did lock down just fine initially. After a few weeks turned into a month or more, yeah people got testy.\nAdditionally, a gigantic amount of people work in critical industries and simply cant stay home. Just keeping the lights and water on requires tens of millions of workers, plus industries like plants and refineries that simply cannot shut down without massive long-term consequences.\nReddit is full of office people who can WFH, the vast majority of people cant.", ">\n\nI was one of those who couldn't stay home. Right out of the gate most people gave up on almost all of it except when they were making a show of complying when they had to. There was a lot of cheating. I walk through a lot of different areas. The waves of patients and bodies we got at work tracked with that and became predictable.", ">\n\nWhat’s that saying that ends with ”…doomed to repeat it?”", ">\n\nWhy not just require a negative test from everyone?", ">\n\nWho would you expect to pay for that?", ">\n\nGovernments or sponsors from the private sector ideally, I honestly don’t give a fuck. I’ve gotten many free tests from both and I’ve also bought some for like $8.", ">\n\n“Here we go again” from everyone in the comments. \nThe virus never stopped, we did.", ">\n\nVirus will always be there. Permanent restrictions are unsustainable", ">\n\n3 years later...\nIs this permanent?", ">\n\nI doubt there's anything that would make Republicans running in 2024 happier then Democrats advocating for a return to COVID restrictions.", ">\n\nRight? It’d be like the democrats fighting for gun control, or gay and trans rights, or safe and legal abortions. It would be political suicide to stand for something that Republicans don’t like!", ">\n\nMy understanding is that everything you listed is broadly popular or has at least a majority of American's in favor of it. A return to COVID restrictions is not in that category.", ">\n\nGun control isn’t even universally loved amongst the American left, as the hard left needs them for protection from the hard right they clash with, and the middle left does like having their guns taken as much as any middle right wing does, only mid left likes it", ">\n\nGallup has 57% of Americans feeling that in general gun laws should be more strict.", ">\n\nRegular people want kids to stop dying while in school. The problem is \"stricter laws\" is vague and no one can agree on what it means or give a serious proposal that would work, short of confiscation and bans, which are wildly unpopular.", ">\n\nVague political talking points is the best we’re going to get. Much as I’d love a Ross Perot style of breaking down every platform and promise, the general public doesn’t go for it. Buzz words are all we have the attention span for.", ">\n\nChina's COVID-19 surge raises odds of new coronavirus variants\nThings could get very ugly.", ">\n\nYou say this like covid hasn't been spreading rampantly through literally every country on the planet, mostly without any measures to stop the spread. Why does China get a different treatment and maybe countries should require tests from the US or Inida or Europe?", ">\n\nI agree. US was primarily the culprit of why COVID went rampant to begin with. We actively refused to enforce any sort of safety measures, just a mild suggestion of \"maybe wear a mask, if you want to, it's ok if you don't\" and \"we have vaccines if you want one, no pressure tho\". That was really our response to the world's deadliest pandemic.", ">\n\nWe actively made fun of zero covid approaches on reddit and now based on the comments on this thread we are suddenly pro “zero covid” approaches", ">\n\nEveryone finally watched contagion", ">\n\nSo far my 2023 bingo card is reading alooot of skull and crossbones, I think I might actually win at something next year, what does your score card look like?", ">\n\nWhen’s that $1200 going to hit my account?", ">\n\nI’m still living off mine from last time!", ">\n\nI’m still looking for mine", ">\n\nI’m waiting for that $600 bucks from Biden still, but that’s going right into my retirement!", ">\n\nYou dont get he meant to include any money you already received as well /s", ">\n\nI seem to remember campaign ads with $2000 checks.", ">\n\nYep they explicitly mentioned $2,000 checks.", ">\n\nMy comment was sarcasm but in retrospect there are so many neoliberals saying that word for word in all seriousness that I should and will add a sarcasm tag", ">\n\nThat's nice and all, but let's not act like we're not just ignoring our own COVID problems.", ">\n\n\n\"You don't have zero tolerance anymore? We can't tolerate that.\"\n\n- Country with 100% tolerance", ">\n\nWhy not require a negative COVID test from everyone entering the country? It’s like they don’t want COVID to be under control.", ">\n\nI think this is because China has a relatively low vaccination rate because they relied on lock downs. Now that lock downs are being ramped down, they are having a huge surge.", ">\n\nThe vaccination rate in China is considerably higher than the US (92% vs 81%). This is just another example of yellow peril", ">\n\nThank you for pointing this out. What I said above was wrong about the vaccination rate. I don’t know why exactly China is having a surge. 🤷‍♂️", ">\n\nTheir vaccination rate is high but their vaccine, SinoVac is based on old tech. It conveys effectively zero protection from variants when compared to all the other types of vaccines on the market.", ">\n\nYou guys are so full of shit. At 3 doses Sinovac gives the same protection as any western vaccine with boosters to help mitigate mutated variants. Stop spreading misinfo.", ">\n\n\"Does that thumbnail of someone getting tested read too much like 'screaming uselessly into the void'?\"\n\"I'm sure it'll be fine.\"", ">\n\nMaybe, just maybe they shouldnt have stopped testing airplane passengers in the first place... \nWe have cheap, readily available tests that take 10 minutes to complete. There’s really no reason not to test ever passenger before boarding...", ">\n\nEveryone I know who had Omicron tested negative until their symptoms cleared. It was evading the RATs, for some reason.", ">\n\nI tested positive on a rapid test two days after getting congested. Every teacher coworker of mine who bothered to test after getting cold symptoms also did. I think it's why so few parents now test their kids before sending time to school sick. They don't want to know so we all find out when we or our family members then test positive, missing work on their sick kids' behalf so they didn't have to. \nI have also heard the rapid test can give false negatives but anecdotal references don't mean much.", ">\n\nA day late and a dollar short. Same old song and dance.", ">\n\nWow, it’s like history literally repeating itself.", ">\n\nIndeed it is. I hope everyone is prepared for what’s next.", ">\n\nWe should require negative COVID tests for people to fly within the US, too.\nIt makes no difference to me if the person who infects me at LAX is coming in from China, or from Texas.", ">\n\nThere is a high chance anyone that comes from China has Covid right now. Low chance that someone inside America has.", ">\n\nNaw. China’s percent is much higher, sure, but it’s not like US infection rates are low. You can pretty much guarantee an infected American on every sold out domestic flight. The latest variants are super, super contagious, and it only takes one infected person to pose a serious risk to the other people sharing their space, and then all of their families and friends after they land. All flights should still require testing and masking at this point, or all we’ve really accomplished is pacifying the dimwits and xenophobes.\nI know at least 3 people who 100% contracted COVID while flying domestically in the US this last month - because they were isolated for the incubation period beforehand. They were masked the entire time they were in the airport and on the plane.", ">\n\nIf they were masked up and I assume vaccinated and still caught the virus then preventable measures like these aren’t that effective.", ">\n\nIs there a new strain of Covid that isn't in the U.S yet, otherwise what's the point.", ">\n\nUm testing should not ever stop.", ">\n\nAh shit here we go again", ">\n\n\"Who left the fridge open?\"", ">\n\nIt's \"just a cold\" unless it's a non-white person from another country carrying it.\n/s", ">\n\nChina implemented an ineffective vaccine and had 30m+ cases in one day. It’s specifically that gov. refusing to use effective vaccines", ">\n\nAnd the United States had effective vaccines that half the country is not willing to nor willing to wear masks, while complaining to other countries like China about their travel restrictions (from China and Hong Kong). And honestly I’m not oppose to a tighter restriction on China while they are experiencing a surge in new cases just as it did with any other countries that initially loosen covid restrictions, what makes me question this being race or politically motivated is the hypocrisy; people complained about China being oppressive when it was enforcing all the covid restrictions and when they loosen it “China doesn’t care about human lives”.\nSo what exactly do you want them to do?", ">\n\n\nto Require Negative Covid Tests for Travelers From China\n\nLuckily China is well known for its systemic unwillingness to fake or counterfeit things, so everything should be fine.\nhonest.", ">\n\nSeems purely retaliatory with no actual effectiveness.\nEnforcement is over a week away and presumably China has hit its peak already (flights being 40% positive)", ">\n\nThe rich rats are going to buy fake tests and jump ship breaking quarantine just like they did in the first wave. Cutting flights or enforcing quarantines is the only way to prevent this stuff from jumping oceans but god forbid anybody inhibit the jet setters.", ">\n\nHALF of the passengers on a plane from China going to Italy tested positive the other day (tested on arrival). Chances are most if not all of them had negative test results they could show that they took before they left. This won't do anything to stop people coming into the US while positive..we are going to have to go through this all over again and we won't have the same somewhat cooperative response in the US this time if it is a variant that evades immunity... It will get REALLY bad.", ">\n\nSeriously they know red states will just let them in and will never do another shut down again. So start dealt with out break countries this way to slow it down or corner it. But I see very very bad days ahead for China and Russia is starting to report out breaks too.", ">\n\nMust. When?", ">\n\nWe already require this from canada iirc\nEdit: i was wrong, canada requires it from us.", ">\n\nI hope we are talking PCR tests... those store-bought 15-minute ones struggle to get a positive if you have any sort of vaccination, even while symptomatic and miserable.", ">\n\nWell, a little bit of good news. I'll take it.", ">\n\nTravel should have been 100$ restricted a long time ago. Travel should be restricted to any country experiencing a COVID outbreak.", ">\n\nWonderful. Another round of Asian hating.", ">\n\nWho's hating on Asians? We're trying to stop this virus from killing people.", ">\n\nor… ban flights from china??", ">\n\nDoesn’t make sense in singling out China when covid is widespread in every single country", ">\n\nThe extent of covid in china atm is just absurd. Two weeks ago, they had 37 MILLION cases in one day. Think about that. Thats more people than a lot of countries! \nsource", ">\n\nI wonder why China has so much trouble with COVID compared to other countries, despite being so strict.", ">\n\nIt’s because they had the zero covid approaches that people are advocating for in this thread and they suddenly reversed course. Everyone in China is getting it so fast its likely the same variants quickly spreading in a population that suddenly reversed course. Having many people getting it over time and exposed to new generations of the virus (which is what happens over time) is more insidious but people here think thats fine", ">\n\nEveryone saying this is racist, do not pay attention to the world", ">\n\nIt was called racist and xenophobic when Trump did it. The left are hypocritical emotional wrecks.", ">\n\nnah trump was racist or did you forget he called it the “china virus” and subsequent hate crimes increased against adians", ">\n\nLet’s not change the subject. We’re talking about testing travelers from China here. Always trying to deflect.", ">\n\nIs that what he did, though? That and nothing else? This is a Fox News headline, but I bet there's a lot more to it. There usually is.\nFYI, Italy is also requiring testing of travelers from China at this time.\nBecause of the high number of cases in China at this time.", ">\n\nSo many dumb replies here. I am sad about where humankind is at.", ">\n\nRound two people", ">\n\nWe need to ramp up testing again at border.", ">\n\nChina trying to stop Covid…lol! Fail miserably at that, build a huge infected population, then unleash it on the world. Great job China /s", ">\n\nSell then the Moderna vaccine so they can treat themselves, ans end this debacle.", ">\n\nEven if US send Moderna and Phizer vaccine, China will not use it, because they boast about \"superior\" Chinese vaccine and don't want to lose face.\n​\nUntil they change their attitude, I suggest keeping restriction in place for PRC travelers.", ">\n\nOh definitely.", ">\n\nCCP exporting covid again.", ">\n\nPaywall - can anyone help me read the article? It sounds great in theory but why wait so long? That’s how this all started in 2020. Test now!", ">\n\nChina has been in quarantine until the protests. They have a very low of vaccinated people, so now everyone's breathing on each other's necks, squeezing in tight places and now introducing another pandemic. \nI believe a combination of everyone quarantined for too long and non vaccinated people are making this a very deadly spread.", ">\n\nTheir vaccination rate is not too bad, except among the elderly. But their vaccine was shit even before all the variants.\nThey've been trying to use lockdown to prevent spread and with the new variants that just won't work.\nSo yeah, they're pretty fucked.", ">\n\nVaccination rate is good, but the rate of people who are up to date on boosters is where they fall short even beyond just the elderly. It also doesn't help that the vaccine being used is overall less effective than the ones being used elsewhere like you said. Makes those booster shots many are lacking even more critical.", ">\n\nApparently Americans only get worried when it’s Chinese people spreading Covid as opposed to their own residents, citizens and Europeans.", ">\n\nseems xenophobic /s", ">\n\noh I'm sure conservatives will be very concerned about the \"freedoms\" of those travelers from China", ">\n\nHow's this going to work for the 75% of all our manufactured goods coming in from China?", ">\n\nThank God Biden is doing this if it was Trump they call him racist .", ">\n\nTrump admin did this and it was hailed as a great idea, because it was. And is.\nWho tf cares who the man or president is when it comes to health? Why are some people like this?", ">\n\nYou know that wasnt true.", ">\n\nWhy would they make a move that would indisputably send hundreds of thousands of infected into the wider world including those that may wind up being infected with a new variant or two? \nCan we at least conclude that China does not care about this possibility? Is that verboten to say?\nCan an axiomatically correct statement still result in a ban?", ">\n\nSounds kinda racist.", ">\n\nMakes absolute sense considering what's currently going on there. Canada should do the same. I'll even go as far as say suspend visas / entry from that part of the world temporarily, until they can get it under control", ">\n\nMakes sense. China is exploding with covid and who knows if/when the next bad variant develops there.", ">\n\nLmao Reddit enjoying their shut in lives so much I’d rather jump off the tallest bridge near me before going into lockdowns again.", ">\n\nXenophobia", ">\n\nXenophobic Biden", ">\n\nPeople are acting like Covid stopped spreading in the US… The US just decided to ignore it, that is until China gained more cases, and now it’s back to fear mongering Chinese people. I see that xenophobia is still alive and well in the US.", ">\n\nMy family and I caught covid during Thanksgiving after being careful for two years. Fortunately, we're all vaccinated so the symptoms didn't hit us too hard. We just got lax with being careful, but we'll probably be wearing our masks in crowded places just to be safe.", ">\n\nI never stopped wearing masks in the US while going to stores. The reality is we have had waves of Covid here in the US, and we have had different mutations of variants too.", ">\n\nThats racist. Biden should be ashamed of himself for allowing such bigotry and hatred towards our Chinese brethren.", ">\n\nThis applies to anyone traveling from China, not just the Chinese.", ">\n\nI wouldn’t think another country was rascist if the USA had a huge surge and temporarily suspended flights to:from the USA until the numbers came down.", ">\n\nSame biological warfare when westerners were entering into China in 2022?", ">\n\n50 Cent army, out in full force!", ">\n\nWhy are we letting anyone in from China?", ">\n\nCitizens and most permanent residents cannot be refused admission.", ">\n\nOh, here we go again.", ">\n\nKind of ironic seeing how the US has worse cases lmao", ">\n\nUS will keep up the bio attacks until the world complies with their foreign policy. Which is to keep China from becoming a threat to its hegemony", ">\n\nWeird how we can’t make our own citizens mask or test but we can make sure travelers from other places do \nWild how absolutely absurd the timeline we’re living in js", ">\n\nGood. We should not allow anyone from any country the opportunity to enter our country without proof.", ">\n\nIt’s not xenophobia, it’s (D)ifferent this time. Maybe if they let trump try this in the first place", ">\n\nThis just adds fuel to racist anti-Asian sentiment in the US. What about all the people on the plane with Chinese travelers who aren't Chinese? If the situation warrants testing of anyone, it warrants testing of everyone.", ">\n\nThis is just politics. Do we really want to pretend we don’t have an overwhelming amount of COVID cases right now in America? Everyone knows most people don’t test unless they’re very sick (which is rare now) and most who even do test use at home tests and don’t report the results. Can we really just not admit to ourselves as a nation that for the overwhelming majority of people COVID no longer poses a serious threat? Hospitalization, death and long COVID are statistically insignificant for healthy vaccinated individuals at this point I don’t see why anyone can see this as anymore than political posturing.", ">\n\nWelcome to the virtue signaling zone.", ">\n\nWell ??? Why wouldn't we check considering their outbreak is significant. Seriously was this a question ?", ">\n\nChina’s authoritarian regime locked down their country for years… this contained rhe virus until mass protests as well as international condemnations. So I believe Chinese govt is teaching their citizens a lesson. Let them roam free and allow international travel into the country. Let them get severely ill and die. Then they will acknowledge and apologize to the government. This type of reverse psychology isn’t new.", ">\n\nWe the People require a vigilant health care approach to our borders at the expense of [Pure Greed] from those who capitalize on what ails us\nWe the People demand all institutions do a readiness check \nAt which time We the People can demand a Meeting of the Continental Congress to address the state of our union, to reboot the principles and powers of the American Constitution and Bill of Rights, to re instate the neutral balance of power in the houses and senate of all levels of our current government[ one party control is not the operation of the United States of America 🇺🇸]", ">\n\nIf only we had this kind of foresight 3 years ago… we could have avoided this whole mess.", ">\n\nAnd Trump was called xenophobic when we asked for the same thing", ">\n\nExactly", ">\n\nWe should have another global 2020-tier lockdown period, imo. Work at home, way less flights active etc.", ">\n\nAnd millions of people, children, the most disadvantaged would die and suffer", ">\n\nI feel like they need to extend this restriction to all of Europe as well. It’s already spread outside of China.", ">\n\nSo I’m guessing it’s not racist now that Biden is doing it.", ">\n\nAgeeed", ">\n\nSome will get through. We may be in trouble.", ">\n\nIt's a racist policy. Why not ban people from Florida from traveling to the rest of the US? What's the difference?", ">\n\nThe scientific and medical community believe China is headed for another outbreak so this step is a must", ">\n\nCanadian here. I traveled from Toronto's Pearson International airport to the U S in November for Thanksgiving and the majority of travelers going through security were, I'd guess, Chinese carrying passports from that country, most not wearing masks. I don't really know if they were Canadian citizens or not but their passports definitely were not.", ">\n\nYet banning travel from China back in 2019-2020 was racist and xenophobic . No wonder the public has no confidence in the government.", ">\n\nI can’t believe the Biden admin actually went through this. They’re testing them just because they’re Chinese??? That is so racist smh" ]
> Well it’s still racist to assume anyone from China is infected just because of where they’re coming from
[ "People from China will travel through Europe and come in to America from the east coast like they did when the pandemic started. This will do nothing if all travelers aboard aren’t made to test.", ">\n\nLet's hope EU and other countries do the same.", ">\n\nI don't know if they will. Australia (for example) had some of the toughest Covid policies and they've essentially just thrown them all out the window.\nSo I don't know how willing countries are to go back to being overly concerned about Covid.", ">\n\nThey should be concerned w chinese, it's spreading like wildfire in china. If we aren't careful, they will come out w covid 20.", ">\n\nIt’s spreading everywhere including the USA. This policy has nothing to do with science or medicine. It’s just politics.", ">\n\nNo. It’s circulating like mad in a population of 1 billion people who haven’t been exposed before. This is how new variants come about. Every country should require negative Covid test for china at least until it cycles through the population", ">\n\n\nNo. It’s circulating like mad in a population of 1 billion people who haven’t been exposed before.\n\nIt's also spreading like mad in all the countries of the world including the USA.\n\nThis is how new variants come about. \n\nAnd they have been for years now.\n\nEvery country should require negative Covid test for china at least until it cycles through the population\n\nOnly for political reasons. There is no scientific or rational demand for this. \nI get it, you hate china, most americans hate china so just be honest and say what you really mean.", ">\n\nStrains are spreading in the west yes, but there are new strains in China that are spreading and we don't know if our vaccines will work with those strains. We know the Chinese vaccines have a low efficacy rate and we know they are not mRNA vaccines which allow for easier adaptation to new strains. Making travelers with a Chinese passport take Covid tests at any and all airports is not racist or even unfair - a reminder that China has been relatively hard to travel to for the last 2 years because they were locked down to foreign travel as well. This is simply good policy from a public health measure, and you not wanting to see that for what it is and instead attribute it to a nascent American hatred for China is laughable. the World Health Organization estimated close to 800 million new cases in China in the next few months, with another estimate 4 million deaths and countless new strains coming out during that period. This is about protection populations, not punishing China.", ">\n\n\nStrains are spreading in the west yes, but there are new strains in China that are spreading and we don't know if our vaccines will work with those strains.\n\nYou don't know if vaccines work against any new variant even if that variant is from a country populated with white people.\n\nWe know the Chinese vaccines have a low efficacy rate and we know they are not mRNA vaccines which allow for easier adaptation to new strains. \n\nThe vaccine doesn't adapt once inside of your body you know that right?\n\nMaking travelers with a Chinese passport take Covid tests at any and all airports is not racist or even unfair \n\nit's definitely unfair and probably racist as well.\n\nhis is simply good policy from a public health measure, a\n\nA good policy would be to require vaccinations from everybody. Think about it, you are requiring a vaccine that you said doesn't even work. How much sense does that make?\n\nattribute it to a nascent American hatred for China is laughable.\n\nNascent?\n\nThis is about protection populations, not punishing China.\n\nIt's definitely about punishing china, it's a part of the current cold war with China conducted by the USA.", ">\n\n\nYou don't know if vaccines work against any new variant even if that variant is from a country populated with white people.\n\nAll the more reason to not invite more new strains into the country. White population or otherwise has nothing to do with it, expected rise in cases in China does.\n\nThe vaccine doesn't adapt once inside of your body you know that right?\n\nYou missed the point. The point i was making was that the Chinese medical system has not even approached Covid with an mRNA vaccine, and steadfastly refused to license western vaccines. If the vaccine most readily available in China has a 50% efficacy then the population is at more risk of contracting the virus and having negative results. The infection rates are increased with each new case of BA.7 (China is currently seeing each covid patient infecting on average 18 other people represented as 1:18, whereas the in US the rate is 1:3.9). Each of these factors increases the risk of developing new strains that are vaccine resistant. \n\nit's definitely unfair and probably racist as well\n\nIs it your position that nations cannot take any prescriptive action to prevent the spread of infected persons from other countries? Again i would remind you that China has basically been locked down for the last 2 years, with severe limitations to personal freedoms themselves. This is not based on race, but rather a government's inability to contain a contagious outbreak in their own country and not wanting it to spread. \n\nA good policy would be to require vaccinations from everybody. Think about it, you are requiring a vaccine that you said doesn't even work. How much sense does that make?\n\nThat might be your definition on good policy, but it isn't mine and that isn't how the west does it. \"I\" am not requiring a vaccine that \"I\" said doesn't work - that was your suggestion not mine. Also, i said the efficacy of the Chinese vaccine is 50% - based on available information - i never said it didn't work, and i never said that it should be mandatory or required.\n\nNascent?\n\nPoor and wrong word choice on my part it seems. What i meant was ascribing the US decision to require testing of Chinese travelers to racism because you believe that the US is racist is laughable. Taking a test to prove that you are covid negative is far less onerous on a traveler than most visa requirements.\n\nIt's definitely about punishing china, it's a part of the current cold war with China conducted by the USA.\n\nCite your sources. I could point to many Chinese government policies that i could say are part of the current cold war with the US without backing it up and it would be just as credible as what you said. Opinion is not a source, and not proof. You assume that the US government is racist, that this policy is racist and yet we have had travel bans imposed on other countries, as well as testing required for travelers from other countries imposed before, and other policies and so has China. For goodness sake China has been closed to foreigners for almost 3 years, and is still closed to foreign travel until January 2023. Is that a racist policy as well?", ">\n\nHere we go again.\nThis time I think I'll learn French cooking.", ">\n\n5000 People a day will have to die before Anybody says the word Lock down in the States ever again.", ">\n\nDon’t understand why people can’t handle staying at home for two weeks when it could potentially eradicate a deadly virus. Are we that weak?", ">\n\nWe did that in large part in March 2020. And did China not spend years locking down their citizens? \nPeoples savings are gone. They need to work. \nWearing a mask would do a lot to help the issue but people aren’t willing to do that anymore.", ">\n\nWe didn't do that though. We didn't all lock down when we were supposed to. Where I work I had to go in from the very start all the way through. Most people, the majority of people, didn't stay home even if they didn't have work. Most people didn't fuck with masks or keeping a distance, and even people who weren't antivaccers didn't take the vaccine seriously for the longest time. \nWe had no fucking lock down, unless you were a well-off celebrity or comedian who wanted to talk about being locked down for content. \nIf people legit locked down, they would have taken a small hit financially, but too many people didn't do shit and prolonged everything.", ">\n\nThe things is that it doesn't take long to drain peoples saving - becuase the overwhelming majority of people have practically none. \nSo an extended lockdown was never feasible unless the government was willing to pay several trillion dollars of expenses, not just 2 or 3 times but several times over.", ">\n\nI didn't dispute any of what you said. I pointed out that most people actively contested any safety measure and most people didn't actually lock down. Any extension will almost certainly be the fault of most of those people. \nI'd gladly let them all die if it meant the few people who did take things seriously didn't have to live through a Walking Dead scenario or have to take a huge financial hit because them.", ">\n\nMost people did lock down just fine initially. After a few weeks turned into a month or more, yeah people got testy.\nAdditionally, a gigantic amount of people work in critical industries and simply cant stay home. Just keeping the lights and water on requires tens of millions of workers, plus industries like plants and refineries that simply cannot shut down without massive long-term consequences.\nReddit is full of office people who can WFH, the vast majority of people cant.", ">\n\nI was one of those who couldn't stay home. Right out of the gate most people gave up on almost all of it except when they were making a show of complying when they had to. There was a lot of cheating. I walk through a lot of different areas. The waves of patients and bodies we got at work tracked with that and became predictable.", ">\n\nWhat’s that saying that ends with ”…doomed to repeat it?”", ">\n\nWhy not just require a negative test from everyone?", ">\n\nWho would you expect to pay for that?", ">\n\nGovernments or sponsors from the private sector ideally, I honestly don’t give a fuck. I’ve gotten many free tests from both and I’ve also bought some for like $8.", ">\n\n“Here we go again” from everyone in the comments. \nThe virus never stopped, we did.", ">\n\nVirus will always be there. Permanent restrictions are unsustainable", ">\n\n3 years later...\nIs this permanent?", ">\n\nI doubt there's anything that would make Republicans running in 2024 happier then Democrats advocating for a return to COVID restrictions.", ">\n\nRight? It’d be like the democrats fighting for gun control, or gay and trans rights, or safe and legal abortions. It would be political suicide to stand for something that Republicans don’t like!", ">\n\nMy understanding is that everything you listed is broadly popular or has at least a majority of American's in favor of it. A return to COVID restrictions is not in that category.", ">\n\nGun control isn’t even universally loved amongst the American left, as the hard left needs them for protection from the hard right they clash with, and the middle left does like having their guns taken as much as any middle right wing does, only mid left likes it", ">\n\nGallup has 57% of Americans feeling that in general gun laws should be more strict.", ">\n\nRegular people want kids to stop dying while in school. The problem is \"stricter laws\" is vague and no one can agree on what it means or give a serious proposal that would work, short of confiscation and bans, which are wildly unpopular.", ">\n\nVague political talking points is the best we’re going to get. Much as I’d love a Ross Perot style of breaking down every platform and promise, the general public doesn’t go for it. Buzz words are all we have the attention span for.", ">\n\nChina's COVID-19 surge raises odds of new coronavirus variants\nThings could get very ugly.", ">\n\nYou say this like covid hasn't been spreading rampantly through literally every country on the planet, mostly without any measures to stop the spread. Why does China get a different treatment and maybe countries should require tests from the US or Inida or Europe?", ">\n\nI agree. US was primarily the culprit of why COVID went rampant to begin with. We actively refused to enforce any sort of safety measures, just a mild suggestion of \"maybe wear a mask, if you want to, it's ok if you don't\" and \"we have vaccines if you want one, no pressure tho\". That was really our response to the world's deadliest pandemic.", ">\n\nWe actively made fun of zero covid approaches on reddit and now based on the comments on this thread we are suddenly pro “zero covid” approaches", ">\n\nEveryone finally watched contagion", ">\n\nSo far my 2023 bingo card is reading alooot of skull and crossbones, I think I might actually win at something next year, what does your score card look like?", ">\n\nWhen’s that $1200 going to hit my account?", ">\n\nI’m still living off mine from last time!", ">\n\nI’m still looking for mine", ">\n\nI’m waiting for that $600 bucks from Biden still, but that’s going right into my retirement!", ">\n\nYou dont get he meant to include any money you already received as well /s", ">\n\nI seem to remember campaign ads with $2000 checks.", ">\n\nYep they explicitly mentioned $2,000 checks.", ">\n\nMy comment was sarcasm but in retrospect there are so many neoliberals saying that word for word in all seriousness that I should and will add a sarcasm tag", ">\n\nThat's nice and all, but let's not act like we're not just ignoring our own COVID problems.", ">\n\n\n\"You don't have zero tolerance anymore? We can't tolerate that.\"\n\n- Country with 100% tolerance", ">\n\nWhy not require a negative COVID test from everyone entering the country? It’s like they don’t want COVID to be under control.", ">\n\nI think this is because China has a relatively low vaccination rate because they relied on lock downs. Now that lock downs are being ramped down, they are having a huge surge.", ">\n\nThe vaccination rate in China is considerably higher than the US (92% vs 81%). This is just another example of yellow peril", ">\n\nThank you for pointing this out. What I said above was wrong about the vaccination rate. I don’t know why exactly China is having a surge. 🤷‍♂️", ">\n\nTheir vaccination rate is high but their vaccine, SinoVac is based on old tech. It conveys effectively zero protection from variants when compared to all the other types of vaccines on the market.", ">\n\nYou guys are so full of shit. At 3 doses Sinovac gives the same protection as any western vaccine with boosters to help mitigate mutated variants. Stop spreading misinfo.", ">\n\n\"Does that thumbnail of someone getting tested read too much like 'screaming uselessly into the void'?\"\n\"I'm sure it'll be fine.\"", ">\n\nMaybe, just maybe they shouldnt have stopped testing airplane passengers in the first place... \nWe have cheap, readily available tests that take 10 minutes to complete. There’s really no reason not to test ever passenger before boarding...", ">\n\nEveryone I know who had Omicron tested negative until their symptoms cleared. It was evading the RATs, for some reason.", ">\n\nI tested positive on a rapid test two days after getting congested. Every teacher coworker of mine who bothered to test after getting cold symptoms also did. I think it's why so few parents now test their kids before sending time to school sick. They don't want to know so we all find out when we or our family members then test positive, missing work on their sick kids' behalf so they didn't have to. \nI have also heard the rapid test can give false negatives but anecdotal references don't mean much.", ">\n\nA day late and a dollar short. Same old song and dance.", ">\n\nWow, it’s like history literally repeating itself.", ">\n\nIndeed it is. I hope everyone is prepared for what’s next.", ">\n\nWe should require negative COVID tests for people to fly within the US, too.\nIt makes no difference to me if the person who infects me at LAX is coming in from China, or from Texas.", ">\n\nThere is a high chance anyone that comes from China has Covid right now. Low chance that someone inside America has.", ">\n\nNaw. China’s percent is much higher, sure, but it’s not like US infection rates are low. You can pretty much guarantee an infected American on every sold out domestic flight. The latest variants are super, super contagious, and it only takes one infected person to pose a serious risk to the other people sharing their space, and then all of their families and friends after they land. All flights should still require testing and masking at this point, or all we’ve really accomplished is pacifying the dimwits and xenophobes.\nI know at least 3 people who 100% contracted COVID while flying domestically in the US this last month - because they were isolated for the incubation period beforehand. They were masked the entire time they were in the airport and on the plane.", ">\n\nIf they were masked up and I assume vaccinated and still caught the virus then preventable measures like these aren’t that effective.", ">\n\nIs there a new strain of Covid that isn't in the U.S yet, otherwise what's the point.", ">\n\nUm testing should not ever stop.", ">\n\nAh shit here we go again", ">\n\n\"Who left the fridge open?\"", ">\n\nIt's \"just a cold\" unless it's a non-white person from another country carrying it.\n/s", ">\n\nChina implemented an ineffective vaccine and had 30m+ cases in one day. It’s specifically that gov. refusing to use effective vaccines", ">\n\nAnd the United States had effective vaccines that half the country is not willing to nor willing to wear masks, while complaining to other countries like China about their travel restrictions (from China and Hong Kong). And honestly I’m not oppose to a tighter restriction on China while they are experiencing a surge in new cases just as it did with any other countries that initially loosen covid restrictions, what makes me question this being race or politically motivated is the hypocrisy; people complained about China being oppressive when it was enforcing all the covid restrictions and when they loosen it “China doesn’t care about human lives”.\nSo what exactly do you want them to do?", ">\n\n\nto Require Negative Covid Tests for Travelers From China\n\nLuckily China is well known for its systemic unwillingness to fake or counterfeit things, so everything should be fine.\nhonest.", ">\n\nSeems purely retaliatory with no actual effectiveness.\nEnforcement is over a week away and presumably China has hit its peak already (flights being 40% positive)", ">\n\nThe rich rats are going to buy fake tests and jump ship breaking quarantine just like they did in the first wave. Cutting flights or enforcing quarantines is the only way to prevent this stuff from jumping oceans but god forbid anybody inhibit the jet setters.", ">\n\nHALF of the passengers on a plane from China going to Italy tested positive the other day (tested on arrival). Chances are most if not all of them had negative test results they could show that they took before they left. This won't do anything to stop people coming into the US while positive..we are going to have to go through this all over again and we won't have the same somewhat cooperative response in the US this time if it is a variant that evades immunity... It will get REALLY bad.", ">\n\nSeriously they know red states will just let them in and will never do another shut down again. So start dealt with out break countries this way to slow it down or corner it. But I see very very bad days ahead for China and Russia is starting to report out breaks too.", ">\n\nMust. When?", ">\n\nWe already require this from canada iirc\nEdit: i was wrong, canada requires it from us.", ">\n\nI hope we are talking PCR tests... those store-bought 15-minute ones struggle to get a positive if you have any sort of vaccination, even while symptomatic and miserable.", ">\n\nWell, a little bit of good news. I'll take it.", ">\n\nTravel should have been 100$ restricted a long time ago. Travel should be restricted to any country experiencing a COVID outbreak.", ">\n\nWonderful. Another round of Asian hating.", ">\n\nWho's hating on Asians? We're trying to stop this virus from killing people.", ">\n\nor… ban flights from china??", ">\n\nDoesn’t make sense in singling out China when covid is widespread in every single country", ">\n\nThe extent of covid in china atm is just absurd. Two weeks ago, they had 37 MILLION cases in one day. Think about that. Thats more people than a lot of countries! \nsource", ">\n\nI wonder why China has so much trouble with COVID compared to other countries, despite being so strict.", ">\n\nIt’s because they had the zero covid approaches that people are advocating for in this thread and they suddenly reversed course. Everyone in China is getting it so fast its likely the same variants quickly spreading in a population that suddenly reversed course. Having many people getting it over time and exposed to new generations of the virus (which is what happens over time) is more insidious but people here think thats fine", ">\n\nEveryone saying this is racist, do not pay attention to the world", ">\n\nIt was called racist and xenophobic when Trump did it. The left are hypocritical emotional wrecks.", ">\n\nnah trump was racist or did you forget he called it the “china virus” and subsequent hate crimes increased against adians", ">\n\nLet’s not change the subject. We’re talking about testing travelers from China here. Always trying to deflect.", ">\n\nIs that what he did, though? That and nothing else? This is a Fox News headline, but I bet there's a lot more to it. There usually is.\nFYI, Italy is also requiring testing of travelers from China at this time.\nBecause of the high number of cases in China at this time.", ">\n\nSo many dumb replies here. I am sad about where humankind is at.", ">\n\nRound two people", ">\n\nWe need to ramp up testing again at border.", ">\n\nChina trying to stop Covid…lol! Fail miserably at that, build a huge infected population, then unleash it on the world. Great job China /s", ">\n\nSell then the Moderna vaccine so they can treat themselves, ans end this debacle.", ">\n\nEven if US send Moderna and Phizer vaccine, China will not use it, because they boast about \"superior\" Chinese vaccine and don't want to lose face.\n​\nUntil they change their attitude, I suggest keeping restriction in place for PRC travelers.", ">\n\nOh definitely.", ">\n\nCCP exporting covid again.", ">\n\nPaywall - can anyone help me read the article? It sounds great in theory but why wait so long? That’s how this all started in 2020. Test now!", ">\n\nChina has been in quarantine until the protests. They have a very low of vaccinated people, so now everyone's breathing on each other's necks, squeezing in tight places and now introducing another pandemic. \nI believe a combination of everyone quarantined for too long and non vaccinated people are making this a very deadly spread.", ">\n\nTheir vaccination rate is not too bad, except among the elderly. But their vaccine was shit even before all the variants.\nThey've been trying to use lockdown to prevent spread and with the new variants that just won't work.\nSo yeah, they're pretty fucked.", ">\n\nVaccination rate is good, but the rate of people who are up to date on boosters is where they fall short even beyond just the elderly. It also doesn't help that the vaccine being used is overall less effective than the ones being used elsewhere like you said. Makes those booster shots many are lacking even more critical.", ">\n\nApparently Americans only get worried when it’s Chinese people spreading Covid as opposed to their own residents, citizens and Europeans.", ">\n\nseems xenophobic /s", ">\n\noh I'm sure conservatives will be very concerned about the \"freedoms\" of those travelers from China", ">\n\nHow's this going to work for the 75% of all our manufactured goods coming in from China?", ">\n\nThank God Biden is doing this if it was Trump they call him racist .", ">\n\nTrump admin did this and it was hailed as a great idea, because it was. And is.\nWho tf cares who the man or president is when it comes to health? Why are some people like this?", ">\n\nYou know that wasnt true.", ">\n\nWhy would they make a move that would indisputably send hundreds of thousands of infected into the wider world including those that may wind up being infected with a new variant or two? \nCan we at least conclude that China does not care about this possibility? Is that verboten to say?\nCan an axiomatically correct statement still result in a ban?", ">\n\nSounds kinda racist.", ">\n\nMakes absolute sense considering what's currently going on there. Canada should do the same. I'll even go as far as say suspend visas / entry from that part of the world temporarily, until they can get it under control", ">\n\nMakes sense. China is exploding with covid and who knows if/when the next bad variant develops there.", ">\n\nLmao Reddit enjoying their shut in lives so much I’d rather jump off the tallest bridge near me before going into lockdowns again.", ">\n\nXenophobia", ">\n\nXenophobic Biden", ">\n\nPeople are acting like Covid stopped spreading in the US… The US just decided to ignore it, that is until China gained more cases, and now it’s back to fear mongering Chinese people. I see that xenophobia is still alive and well in the US.", ">\n\nMy family and I caught covid during Thanksgiving after being careful for two years. Fortunately, we're all vaccinated so the symptoms didn't hit us too hard. We just got lax with being careful, but we'll probably be wearing our masks in crowded places just to be safe.", ">\n\nI never stopped wearing masks in the US while going to stores. The reality is we have had waves of Covid here in the US, and we have had different mutations of variants too.", ">\n\nThats racist. Biden should be ashamed of himself for allowing such bigotry and hatred towards our Chinese brethren.", ">\n\nThis applies to anyone traveling from China, not just the Chinese.", ">\n\nI wouldn’t think another country was rascist if the USA had a huge surge and temporarily suspended flights to:from the USA until the numbers came down.", ">\n\nSame biological warfare when westerners were entering into China in 2022?", ">\n\n50 Cent army, out in full force!", ">\n\nWhy are we letting anyone in from China?", ">\n\nCitizens and most permanent residents cannot be refused admission.", ">\n\nOh, here we go again.", ">\n\nKind of ironic seeing how the US has worse cases lmao", ">\n\nUS will keep up the bio attacks until the world complies with their foreign policy. Which is to keep China from becoming a threat to its hegemony", ">\n\nWeird how we can’t make our own citizens mask or test but we can make sure travelers from other places do \nWild how absolutely absurd the timeline we’re living in js", ">\n\nGood. We should not allow anyone from any country the opportunity to enter our country without proof.", ">\n\nIt’s not xenophobia, it’s (D)ifferent this time. Maybe if they let trump try this in the first place", ">\n\nThis just adds fuel to racist anti-Asian sentiment in the US. What about all the people on the plane with Chinese travelers who aren't Chinese? If the situation warrants testing of anyone, it warrants testing of everyone.", ">\n\nThis is just politics. Do we really want to pretend we don’t have an overwhelming amount of COVID cases right now in America? Everyone knows most people don’t test unless they’re very sick (which is rare now) and most who even do test use at home tests and don’t report the results. Can we really just not admit to ourselves as a nation that for the overwhelming majority of people COVID no longer poses a serious threat? Hospitalization, death and long COVID are statistically insignificant for healthy vaccinated individuals at this point I don’t see why anyone can see this as anymore than political posturing.", ">\n\nWelcome to the virtue signaling zone.", ">\n\nWell ??? Why wouldn't we check considering their outbreak is significant. Seriously was this a question ?", ">\n\nChina’s authoritarian regime locked down their country for years… this contained rhe virus until mass protests as well as international condemnations. So I believe Chinese govt is teaching their citizens a lesson. Let them roam free and allow international travel into the country. Let them get severely ill and die. Then they will acknowledge and apologize to the government. This type of reverse psychology isn’t new.", ">\n\nWe the People require a vigilant health care approach to our borders at the expense of [Pure Greed] from those who capitalize on what ails us\nWe the People demand all institutions do a readiness check \nAt which time We the People can demand a Meeting of the Continental Congress to address the state of our union, to reboot the principles and powers of the American Constitution and Bill of Rights, to re instate the neutral balance of power in the houses and senate of all levels of our current government[ one party control is not the operation of the United States of America 🇺🇸]", ">\n\nIf only we had this kind of foresight 3 years ago… we could have avoided this whole mess.", ">\n\nAnd Trump was called xenophobic when we asked for the same thing", ">\n\nExactly", ">\n\nWe should have another global 2020-tier lockdown period, imo. Work at home, way less flights active etc.", ">\n\nAnd millions of people, children, the most disadvantaged would die and suffer", ">\n\nI feel like they need to extend this restriction to all of Europe as well. It’s already spread outside of China.", ">\n\nSo I’m guessing it’s not racist now that Biden is doing it.", ">\n\nAgeeed", ">\n\nSome will get through. We may be in trouble.", ">\n\nIt's a racist policy. Why not ban people from Florida from traveling to the rest of the US? What's the difference?", ">\n\nThe scientific and medical community believe China is headed for another outbreak so this step is a must", ">\n\nCanadian here. I traveled from Toronto's Pearson International airport to the U S in November for Thanksgiving and the majority of travelers going through security were, I'd guess, Chinese carrying passports from that country, most not wearing masks. I don't really know if they were Canadian citizens or not but their passports definitely were not.", ">\n\nYet banning travel from China back in 2019-2020 was racist and xenophobic . No wonder the public has no confidence in the government.", ">\n\nI can’t believe the Biden admin actually went through this. They’re testing them just because they’re Chinese??? That is so racist smh", ">\n\nThis applies to anyone coming from China, not just Chinese citizens. It’s based on the ongoing outbreak, not their race." ]
> It’s not racist at all. “Coming from China” is not a race. They will test everyone on the plane regardless of demographics.
[ "People from China will travel through Europe and come in to America from the east coast like they did when the pandemic started. This will do nothing if all travelers aboard aren’t made to test.", ">\n\nLet's hope EU and other countries do the same.", ">\n\nI don't know if they will. Australia (for example) had some of the toughest Covid policies and they've essentially just thrown them all out the window.\nSo I don't know how willing countries are to go back to being overly concerned about Covid.", ">\n\nThey should be concerned w chinese, it's spreading like wildfire in china. If we aren't careful, they will come out w covid 20.", ">\n\nIt’s spreading everywhere including the USA. This policy has nothing to do with science or medicine. It’s just politics.", ">\n\nNo. It’s circulating like mad in a population of 1 billion people who haven’t been exposed before. This is how new variants come about. Every country should require negative Covid test for china at least until it cycles through the population", ">\n\n\nNo. It’s circulating like mad in a population of 1 billion people who haven’t been exposed before.\n\nIt's also spreading like mad in all the countries of the world including the USA.\n\nThis is how new variants come about. \n\nAnd they have been for years now.\n\nEvery country should require negative Covid test for china at least until it cycles through the population\n\nOnly for political reasons. There is no scientific or rational demand for this. \nI get it, you hate china, most americans hate china so just be honest and say what you really mean.", ">\n\nStrains are spreading in the west yes, but there are new strains in China that are spreading and we don't know if our vaccines will work with those strains. We know the Chinese vaccines have a low efficacy rate and we know they are not mRNA vaccines which allow for easier adaptation to new strains. Making travelers with a Chinese passport take Covid tests at any and all airports is not racist or even unfair - a reminder that China has been relatively hard to travel to for the last 2 years because they were locked down to foreign travel as well. This is simply good policy from a public health measure, and you not wanting to see that for what it is and instead attribute it to a nascent American hatred for China is laughable. the World Health Organization estimated close to 800 million new cases in China in the next few months, with another estimate 4 million deaths and countless new strains coming out during that period. This is about protection populations, not punishing China.", ">\n\n\nStrains are spreading in the west yes, but there are new strains in China that are spreading and we don't know if our vaccines will work with those strains.\n\nYou don't know if vaccines work against any new variant even if that variant is from a country populated with white people.\n\nWe know the Chinese vaccines have a low efficacy rate and we know they are not mRNA vaccines which allow for easier adaptation to new strains. \n\nThe vaccine doesn't adapt once inside of your body you know that right?\n\nMaking travelers with a Chinese passport take Covid tests at any and all airports is not racist or even unfair \n\nit's definitely unfair and probably racist as well.\n\nhis is simply good policy from a public health measure, a\n\nA good policy would be to require vaccinations from everybody. Think about it, you are requiring a vaccine that you said doesn't even work. How much sense does that make?\n\nattribute it to a nascent American hatred for China is laughable.\n\nNascent?\n\nThis is about protection populations, not punishing China.\n\nIt's definitely about punishing china, it's a part of the current cold war with China conducted by the USA.", ">\n\n\nYou don't know if vaccines work against any new variant even if that variant is from a country populated with white people.\n\nAll the more reason to not invite more new strains into the country. White population or otherwise has nothing to do with it, expected rise in cases in China does.\n\nThe vaccine doesn't adapt once inside of your body you know that right?\n\nYou missed the point. The point i was making was that the Chinese medical system has not even approached Covid with an mRNA vaccine, and steadfastly refused to license western vaccines. If the vaccine most readily available in China has a 50% efficacy then the population is at more risk of contracting the virus and having negative results. The infection rates are increased with each new case of BA.7 (China is currently seeing each covid patient infecting on average 18 other people represented as 1:18, whereas the in US the rate is 1:3.9). Each of these factors increases the risk of developing new strains that are vaccine resistant. \n\nit's definitely unfair and probably racist as well\n\nIs it your position that nations cannot take any prescriptive action to prevent the spread of infected persons from other countries? Again i would remind you that China has basically been locked down for the last 2 years, with severe limitations to personal freedoms themselves. This is not based on race, but rather a government's inability to contain a contagious outbreak in their own country and not wanting it to spread. \n\nA good policy would be to require vaccinations from everybody. Think about it, you are requiring a vaccine that you said doesn't even work. How much sense does that make?\n\nThat might be your definition on good policy, but it isn't mine and that isn't how the west does it. \"I\" am not requiring a vaccine that \"I\" said doesn't work - that was your suggestion not mine. Also, i said the efficacy of the Chinese vaccine is 50% - based on available information - i never said it didn't work, and i never said that it should be mandatory or required.\n\nNascent?\n\nPoor and wrong word choice on my part it seems. What i meant was ascribing the US decision to require testing of Chinese travelers to racism because you believe that the US is racist is laughable. Taking a test to prove that you are covid negative is far less onerous on a traveler than most visa requirements.\n\nIt's definitely about punishing china, it's a part of the current cold war with China conducted by the USA.\n\nCite your sources. I could point to many Chinese government policies that i could say are part of the current cold war with the US without backing it up and it would be just as credible as what you said. Opinion is not a source, and not proof. You assume that the US government is racist, that this policy is racist and yet we have had travel bans imposed on other countries, as well as testing required for travelers from other countries imposed before, and other policies and so has China. For goodness sake China has been closed to foreigners for almost 3 years, and is still closed to foreign travel until January 2023. Is that a racist policy as well?", ">\n\nHere we go again.\nThis time I think I'll learn French cooking.", ">\n\n5000 People a day will have to die before Anybody says the word Lock down in the States ever again.", ">\n\nDon’t understand why people can’t handle staying at home for two weeks when it could potentially eradicate a deadly virus. Are we that weak?", ">\n\nWe did that in large part in March 2020. And did China not spend years locking down their citizens? \nPeoples savings are gone. They need to work. \nWearing a mask would do a lot to help the issue but people aren’t willing to do that anymore.", ">\n\nWe didn't do that though. We didn't all lock down when we were supposed to. Where I work I had to go in from the very start all the way through. Most people, the majority of people, didn't stay home even if they didn't have work. Most people didn't fuck with masks or keeping a distance, and even people who weren't antivaccers didn't take the vaccine seriously for the longest time. \nWe had no fucking lock down, unless you were a well-off celebrity or comedian who wanted to talk about being locked down for content. \nIf people legit locked down, they would have taken a small hit financially, but too many people didn't do shit and prolonged everything.", ">\n\nThe things is that it doesn't take long to drain peoples saving - becuase the overwhelming majority of people have practically none. \nSo an extended lockdown was never feasible unless the government was willing to pay several trillion dollars of expenses, not just 2 or 3 times but several times over.", ">\n\nI didn't dispute any of what you said. I pointed out that most people actively contested any safety measure and most people didn't actually lock down. Any extension will almost certainly be the fault of most of those people. \nI'd gladly let them all die if it meant the few people who did take things seriously didn't have to live through a Walking Dead scenario or have to take a huge financial hit because them.", ">\n\nMost people did lock down just fine initially. After a few weeks turned into a month or more, yeah people got testy.\nAdditionally, a gigantic amount of people work in critical industries and simply cant stay home. Just keeping the lights and water on requires tens of millions of workers, plus industries like plants and refineries that simply cannot shut down without massive long-term consequences.\nReddit is full of office people who can WFH, the vast majority of people cant.", ">\n\nI was one of those who couldn't stay home. Right out of the gate most people gave up on almost all of it except when they were making a show of complying when they had to. There was a lot of cheating. I walk through a lot of different areas. The waves of patients and bodies we got at work tracked with that and became predictable.", ">\n\nWhat’s that saying that ends with ”…doomed to repeat it?”", ">\n\nWhy not just require a negative test from everyone?", ">\n\nWho would you expect to pay for that?", ">\n\nGovernments or sponsors from the private sector ideally, I honestly don’t give a fuck. I’ve gotten many free tests from both and I’ve also bought some for like $8.", ">\n\n“Here we go again” from everyone in the comments. \nThe virus never stopped, we did.", ">\n\nVirus will always be there. Permanent restrictions are unsustainable", ">\n\n3 years later...\nIs this permanent?", ">\n\nI doubt there's anything that would make Republicans running in 2024 happier then Democrats advocating for a return to COVID restrictions.", ">\n\nRight? It’d be like the democrats fighting for gun control, or gay and trans rights, or safe and legal abortions. It would be political suicide to stand for something that Republicans don’t like!", ">\n\nMy understanding is that everything you listed is broadly popular or has at least a majority of American's in favor of it. A return to COVID restrictions is not in that category.", ">\n\nGun control isn’t even universally loved amongst the American left, as the hard left needs them for protection from the hard right they clash with, and the middle left does like having their guns taken as much as any middle right wing does, only mid left likes it", ">\n\nGallup has 57% of Americans feeling that in general gun laws should be more strict.", ">\n\nRegular people want kids to stop dying while in school. The problem is \"stricter laws\" is vague and no one can agree on what it means or give a serious proposal that would work, short of confiscation and bans, which are wildly unpopular.", ">\n\nVague political talking points is the best we’re going to get. Much as I’d love a Ross Perot style of breaking down every platform and promise, the general public doesn’t go for it. Buzz words are all we have the attention span for.", ">\n\nChina's COVID-19 surge raises odds of new coronavirus variants\nThings could get very ugly.", ">\n\nYou say this like covid hasn't been spreading rampantly through literally every country on the planet, mostly without any measures to stop the spread. Why does China get a different treatment and maybe countries should require tests from the US or Inida or Europe?", ">\n\nI agree. US was primarily the culprit of why COVID went rampant to begin with. We actively refused to enforce any sort of safety measures, just a mild suggestion of \"maybe wear a mask, if you want to, it's ok if you don't\" and \"we have vaccines if you want one, no pressure tho\". That was really our response to the world's deadliest pandemic.", ">\n\nWe actively made fun of zero covid approaches on reddit and now based on the comments on this thread we are suddenly pro “zero covid” approaches", ">\n\nEveryone finally watched contagion", ">\n\nSo far my 2023 bingo card is reading alooot of skull and crossbones, I think I might actually win at something next year, what does your score card look like?", ">\n\nWhen’s that $1200 going to hit my account?", ">\n\nI’m still living off mine from last time!", ">\n\nI’m still looking for mine", ">\n\nI’m waiting for that $600 bucks from Biden still, but that’s going right into my retirement!", ">\n\nYou dont get he meant to include any money you already received as well /s", ">\n\nI seem to remember campaign ads with $2000 checks.", ">\n\nYep they explicitly mentioned $2,000 checks.", ">\n\nMy comment was sarcasm but in retrospect there are so many neoliberals saying that word for word in all seriousness that I should and will add a sarcasm tag", ">\n\nThat's nice and all, but let's not act like we're not just ignoring our own COVID problems.", ">\n\n\n\"You don't have zero tolerance anymore? We can't tolerate that.\"\n\n- Country with 100% tolerance", ">\n\nWhy not require a negative COVID test from everyone entering the country? It’s like they don’t want COVID to be under control.", ">\n\nI think this is because China has a relatively low vaccination rate because they relied on lock downs. Now that lock downs are being ramped down, they are having a huge surge.", ">\n\nThe vaccination rate in China is considerably higher than the US (92% vs 81%). This is just another example of yellow peril", ">\n\nThank you for pointing this out. What I said above was wrong about the vaccination rate. I don’t know why exactly China is having a surge. 🤷‍♂️", ">\n\nTheir vaccination rate is high but their vaccine, SinoVac is based on old tech. It conveys effectively zero protection from variants when compared to all the other types of vaccines on the market.", ">\n\nYou guys are so full of shit. At 3 doses Sinovac gives the same protection as any western vaccine with boosters to help mitigate mutated variants. Stop spreading misinfo.", ">\n\n\"Does that thumbnail of someone getting tested read too much like 'screaming uselessly into the void'?\"\n\"I'm sure it'll be fine.\"", ">\n\nMaybe, just maybe they shouldnt have stopped testing airplane passengers in the first place... \nWe have cheap, readily available tests that take 10 minutes to complete. There’s really no reason not to test ever passenger before boarding...", ">\n\nEveryone I know who had Omicron tested negative until their symptoms cleared. It was evading the RATs, for some reason.", ">\n\nI tested positive on a rapid test two days after getting congested. Every teacher coworker of mine who bothered to test after getting cold symptoms also did. I think it's why so few parents now test their kids before sending time to school sick. They don't want to know so we all find out when we or our family members then test positive, missing work on their sick kids' behalf so they didn't have to. \nI have also heard the rapid test can give false negatives but anecdotal references don't mean much.", ">\n\nA day late and a dollar short. Same old song and dance.", ">\n\nWow, it’s like history literally repeating itself.", ">\n\nIndeed it is. I hope everyone is prepared for what’s next.", ">\n\nWe should require negative COVID tests for people to fly within the US, too.\nIt makes no difference to me if the person who infects me at LAX is coming in from China, or from Texas.", ">\n\nThere is a high chance anyone that comes from China has Covid right now. Low chance that someone inside America has.", ">\n\nNaw. China’s percent is much higher, sure, but it’s not like US infection rates are low. You can pretty much guarantee an infected American on every sold out domestic flight. The latest variants are super, super contagious, and it only takes one infected person to pose a serious risk to the other people sharing their space, and then all of their families and friends after they land. All flights should still require testing and masking at this point, or all we’ve really accomplished is pacifying the dimwits and xenophobes.\nI know at least 3 people who 100% contracted COVID while flying domestically in the US this last month - because they were isolated for the incubation period beforehand. They were masked the entire time they were in the airport and on the plane.", ">\n\nIf they were masked up and I assume vaccinated and still caught the virus then preventable measures like these aren’t that effective.", ">\n\nIs there a new strain of Covid that isn't in the U.S yet, otherwise what's the point.", ">\n\nUm testing should not ever stop.", ">\n\nAh shit here we go again", ">\n\n\"Who left the fridge open?\"", ">\n\nIt's \"just a cold\" unless it's a non-white person from another country carrying it.\n/s", ">\n\nChina implemented an ineffective vaccine and had 30m+ cases in one day. It’s specifically that gov. refusing to use effective vaccines", ">\n\nAnd the United States had effective vaccines that half the country is not willing to nor willing to wear masks, while complaining to other countries like China about their travel restrictions (from China and Hong Kong). And honestly I’m not oppose to a tighter restriction on China while they are experiencing a surge in new cases just as it did with any other countries that initially loosen covid restrictions, what makes me question this being race or politically motivated is the hypocrisy; people complained about China being oppressive when it was enforcing all the covid restrictions and when they loosen it “China doesn’t care about human lives”.\nSo what exactly do you want them to do?", ">\n\n\nto Require Negative Covid Tests for Travelers From China\n\nLuckily China is well known for its systemic unwillingness to fake or counterfeit things, so everything should be fine.\nhonest.", ">\n\nSeems purely retaliatory with no actual effectiveness.\nEnforcement is over a week away and presumably China has hit its peak already (flights being 40% positive)", ">\n\nThe rich rats are going to buy fake tests and jump ship breaking quarantine just like they did in the first wave. Cutting flights or enforcing quarantines is the only way to prevent this stuff from jumping oceans but god forbid anybody inhibit the jet setters.", ">\n\nHALF of the passengers on a plane from China going to Italy tested positive the other day (tested on arrival). Chances are most if not all of them had negative test results they could show that they took before they left. This won't do anything to stop people coming into the US while positive..we are going to have to go through this all over again and we won't have the same somewhat cooperative response in the US this time if it is a variant that evades immunity... It will get REALLY bad.", ">\n\nSeriously they know red states will just let them in and will never do another shut down again. So start dealt with out break countries this way to slow it down or corner it. But I see very very bad days ahead for China and Russia is starting to report out breaks too.", ">\n\nMust. When?", ">\n\nWe already require this from canada iirc\nEdit: i was wrong, canada requires it from us.", ">\n\nI hope we are talking PCR tests... those store-bought 15-minute ones struggle to get a positive if you have any sort of vaccination, even while symptomatic and miserable.", ">\n\nWell, a little bit of good news. I'll take it.", ">\n\nTravel should have been 100$ restricted a long time ago. Travel should be restricted to any country experiencing a COVID outbreak.", ">\n\nWonderful. Another round of Asian hating.", ">\n\nWho's hating on Asians? We're trying to stop this virus from killing people.", ">\n\nor… ban flights from china??", ">\n\nDoesn’t make sense in singling out China when covid is widespread in every single country", ">\n\nThe extent of covid in china atm is just absurd. Two weeks ago, they had 37 MILLION cases in one day. Think about that. Thats more people than a lot of countries! \nsource", ">\n\nI wonder why China has so much trouble with COVID compared to other countries, despite being so strict.", ">\n\nIt’s because they had the zero covid approaches that people are advocating for in this thread and they suddenly reversed course. Everyone in China is getting it so fast its likely the same variants quickly spreading in a population that suddenly reversed course. Having many people getting it over time and exposed to new generations of the virus (which is what happens over time) is more insidious but people here think thats fine", ">\n\nEveryone saying this is racist, do not pay attention to the world", ">\n\nIt was called racist and xenophobic when Trump did it. The left are hypocritical emotional wrecks.", ">\n\nnah trump was racist or did you forget he called it the “china virus” and subsequent hate crimes increased against adians", ">\n\nLet’s not change the subject. We’re talking about testing travelers from China here. Always trying to deflect.", ">\n\nIs that what he did, though? That and nothing else? This is a Fox News headline, but I bet there's a lot more to it. There usually is.\nFYI, Italy is also requiring testing of travelers from China at this time.\nBecause of the high number of cases in China at this time.", ">\n\nSo many dumb replies here. I am sad about where humankind is at.", ">\n\nRound two people", ">\n\nWe need to ramp up testing again at border.", ">\n\nChina trying to stop Covid…lol! Fail miserably at that, build a huge infected population, then unleash it on the world. Great job China /s", ">\n\nSell then the Moderna vaccine so they can treat themselves, ans end this debacle.", ">\n\nEven if US send Moderna and Phizer vaccine, China will not use it, because they boast about \"superior\" Chinese vaccine and don't want to lose face.\n​\nUntil they change their attitude, I suggest keeping restriction in place for PRC travelers.", ">\n\nOh definitely.", ">\n\nCCP exporting covid again.", ">\n\nPaywall - can anyone help me read the article? It sounds great in theory but why wait so long? That’s how this all started in 2020. Test now!", ">\n\nChina has been in quarantine until the protests. They have a very low of vaccinated people, so now everyone's breathing on each other's necks, squeezing in tight places and now introducing another pandemic. \nI believe a combination of everyone quarantined for too long and non vaccinated people are making this a very deadly spread.", ">\n\nTheir vaccination rate is not too bad, except among the elderly. But their vaccine was shit even before all the variants.\nThey've been trying to use lockdown to prevent spread and with the new variants that just won't work.\nSo yeah, they're pretty fucked.", ">\n\nVaccination rate is good, but the rate of people who are up to date on boosters is where they fall short even beyond just the elderly. It also doesn't help that the vaccine being used is overall less effective than the ones being used elsewhere like you said. Makes those booster shots many are lacking even more critical.", ">\n\nApparently Americans only get worried when it’s Chinese people spreading Covid as opposed to their own residents, citizens and Europeans.", ">\n\nseems xenophobic /s", ">\n\noh I'm sure conservatives will be very concerned about the \"freedoms\" of those travelers from China", ">\n\nHow's this going to work for the 75% of all our manufactured goods coming in from China?", ">\n\nThank God Biden is doing this if it was Trump they call him racist .", ">\n\nTrump admin did this and it was hailed as a great idea, because it was. And is.\nWho tf cares who the man or president is when it comes to health? Why are some people like this?", ">\n\nYou know that wasnt true.", ">\n\nWhy would they make a move that would indisputably send hundreds of thousands of infected into the wider world including those that may wind up being infected with a new variant or two? \nCan we at least conclude that China does not care about this possibility? Is that verboten to say?\nCan an axiomatically correct statement still result in a ban?", ">\n\nSounds kinda racist.", ">\n\nMakes absolute sense considering what's currently going on there. Canada should do the same. I'll even go as far as say suspend visas / entry from that part of the world temporarily, until they can get it under control", ">\n\nMakes sense. China is exploding with covid and who knows if/when the next bad variant develops there.", ">\n\nLmao Reddit enjoying their shut in lives so much I’d rather jump off the tallest bridge near me before going into lockdowns again.", ">\n\nXenophobia", ">\n\nXenophobic Biden", ">\n\nPeople are acting like Covid stopped spreading in the US… The US just decided to ignore it, that is until China gained more cases, and now it’s back to fear mongering Chinese people. I see that xenophobia is still alive and well in the US.", ">\n\nMy family and I caught covid during Thanksgiving after being careful for two years. Fortunately, we're all vaccinated so the symptoms didn't hit us too hard. We just got lax with being careful, but we'll probably be wearing our masks in crowded places just to be safe.", ">\n\nI never stopped wearing masks in the US while going to stores. The reality is we have had waves of Covid here in the US, and we have had different mutations of variants too.", ">\n\nThats racist. Biden should be ashamed of himself for allowing such bigotry and hatred towards our Chinese brethren.", ">\n\nThis applies to anyone traveling from China, not just the Chinese.", ">\n\nI wouldn’t think another country was rascist if the USA had a huge surge and temporarily suspended flights to:from the USA until the numbers came down.", ">\n\nSame biological warfare when westerners were entering into China in 2022?", ">\n\n50 Cent army, out in full force!", ">\n\nWhy are we letting anyone in from China?", ">\n\nCitizens and most permanent residents cannot be refused admission.", ">\n\nOh, here we go again.", ">\n\nKind of ironic seeing how the US has worse cases lmao", ">\n\nUS will keep up the bio attacks until the world complies with their foreign policy. Which is to keep China from becoming a threat to its hegemony", ">\n\nWeird how we can’t make our own citizens mask or test but we can make sure travelers from other places do \nWild how absolutely absurd the timeline we’re living in js", ">\n\nGood. We should not allow anyone from any country the opportunity to enter our country without proof.", ">\n\nIt’s not xenophobia, it’s (D)ifferent this time. Maybe if they let trump try this in the first place", ">\n\nThis just adds fuel to racist anti-Asian sentiment in the US. What about all the people on the plane with Chinese travelers who aren't Chinese? If the situation warrants testing of anyone, it warrants testing of everyone.", ">\n\nThis is just politics. Do we really want to pretend we don’t have an overwhelming amount of COVID cases right now in America? Everyone knows most people don’t test unless they’re very sick (which is rare now) and most who even do test use at home tests and don’t report the results. Can we really just not admit to ourselves as a nation that for the overwhelming majority of people COVID no longer poses a serious threat? Hospitalization, death and long COVID are statistically insignificant for healthy vaccinated individuals at this point I don’t see why anyone can see this as anymore than political posturing.", ">\n\nWelcome to the virtue signaling zone.", ">\n\nWell ??? Why wouldn't we check considering their outbreak is significant. Seriously was this a question ?", ">\n\nChina’s authoritarian regime locked down their country for years… this contained rhe virus until mass protests as well as international condemnations. So I believe Chinese govt is teaching their citizens a lesson. Let them roam free and allow international travel into the country. Let them get severely ill and die. Then they will acknowledge and apologize to the government. This type of reverse psychology isn’t new.", ">\n\nWe the People require a vigilant health care approach to our borders at the expense of [Pure Greed] from those who capitalize on what ails us\nWe the People demand all institutions do a readiness check \nAt which time We the People can demand a Meeting of the Continental Congress to address the state of our union, to reboot the principles and powers of the American Constitution and Bill of Rights, to re instate the neutral balance of power in the houses and senate of all levels of our current government[ one party control is not the operation of the United States of America 🇺🇸]", ">\n\nIf only we had this kind of foresight 3 years ago… we could have avoided this whole mess.", ">\n\nAnd Trump was called xenophobic when we asked for the same thing", ">\n\nExactly", ">\n\nWe should have another global 2020-tier lockdown period, imo. Work at home, way less flights active etc.", ">\n\nAnd millions of people, children, the most disadvantaged would die and suffer", ">\n\nI feel like they need to extend this restriction to all of Europe as well. It’s already spread outside of China.", ">\n\nSo I’m guessing it’s not racist now that Biden is doing it.", ">\n\nAgeeed", ">\n\nSome will get through. We may be in trouble.", ">\n\nIt's a racist policy. Why not ban people from Florida from traveling to the rest of the US? What's the difference?", ">\n\nThe scientific and medical community believe China is headed for another outbreak so this step is a must", ">\n\nCanadian here. I traveled from Toronto's Pearson International airport to the U S in November for Thanksgiving and the majority of travelers going through security were, I'd guess, Chinese carrying passports from that country, most not wearing masks. I don't really know if they were Canadian citizens or not but their passports definitely were not.", ">\n\nYet banning travel from China back in 2019-2020 was racist and xenophobic . No wonder the public has no confidence in the government.", ">\n\nI can’t believe the Biden admin actually went through this. They’re testing them just because they’re Chinese??? That is so racist smh", ">\n\nThis applies to anyone coming from China, not just Chinese citizens. It’s based on the ongoing outbreak, not their race.", ">\n\nWell it’s still racist to assume anyone from China is infected just because of where they’re coming from" ]
> Which is racist though. It’s the same thing Trump did by banning anyone coming from China. Why don’t they ban everyone coming from Japan? India? South Korea? Thailand? Etc? Why just the Chinese smh.
[ "People from China will travel through Europe and come in to America from the east coast like they did when the pandemic started. This will do nothing if all travelers aboard aren’t made to test.", ">\n\nLet's hope EU and other countries do the same.", ">\n\nI don't know if they will. Australia (for example) had some of the toughest Covid policies and they've essentially just thrown them all out the window.\nSo I don't know how willing countries are to go back to being overly concerned about Covid.", ">\n\nThey should be concerned w chinese, it's spreading like wildfire in china. If we aren't careful, they will come out w covid 20.", ">\n\nIt’s spreading everywhere including the USA. This policy has nothing to do with science or medicine. It’s just politics.", ">\n\nNo. It’s circulating like mad in a population of 1 billion people who haven’t been exposed before. This is how new variants come about. Every country should require negative Covid test for china at least until it cycles through the population", ">\n\n\nNo. It’s circulating like mad in a population of 1 billion people who haven’t been exposed before.\n\nIt's also spreading like mad in all the countries of the world including the USA.\n\nThis is how new variants come about. \n\nAnd they have been for years now.\n\nEvery country should require negative Covid test for china at least until it cycles through the population\n\nOnly for political reasons. There is no scientific or rational demand for this. \nI get it, you hate china, most americans hate china so just be honest and say what you really mean.", ">\n\nStrains are spreading in the west yes, but there are new strains in China that are spreading and we don't know if our vaccines will work with those strains. We know the Chinese vaccines have a low efficacy rate and we know they are not mRNA vaccines which allow for easier adaptation to new strains. Making travelers with a Chinese passport take Covid tests at any and all airports is not racist or even unfair - a reminder that China has been relatively hard to travel to for the last 2 years because they were locked down to foreign travel as well. This is simply good policy from a public health measure, and you not wanting to see that for what it is and instead attribute it to a nascent American hatred for China is laughable. the World Health Organization estimated close to 800 million new cases in China in the next few months, with another estimate 4 million deaths and countless new strains coming out during that period. This is about protection populations, not punishing China.", ">\n\n\nStrains are spreading in the west yes, but there are new strains in China that are spreading and we don't know if our vaccines will work with those strains.\n\nYou don't know if vaccines work against any new variant even if that variant is from a country populated with white people.\n\nWe know the Chinese vaccines have a low efficacy rate and we know they are not mRNA vaccines which allow for easier adaptation to new strains. \n\nThe vaccine doesn't adapt once inside of your body you know that right?\n\nMaking travelers with a Chinese passport take Covid tests at any and all airports is not racist or even unfair \n\nit's definitely unfair and probably racist as well.\n\nhis is simply good policy from a public health measure, a\n\nA good policy would be to require vaccinations from everybody. Think about it, you are requiring a vaccine that you said doesn't even work. How much sense does that make?\n\nattribute it to a nascent American hatred for China is laughable.\n\nNascent?\n\nThis is about protection populations, not punishing China.\n\nIt's definitely about punishing china, it's a part of the current cold war with China conducted by the USA.", ">\n\n\nYou don't know if vaccines work against any new variant even if that variant is from a country populated with white people.\n\nAll the more reason to not invite more new strains into the country. White population or otherwise has nothing to do with it, expected rise in cases in China does.\n\nThe vaccine doesn't adapt once inside of your body you know that right?\n\nYou missed the point. The point i was making was that the Chinese medical system has not even approached Covid with an mRNA vaccine, and steadfastly refused to license western vaccines. If the vaccine most readily available in China has a 50% efficacy then the population is at more risk of contracting the virus and having negative results. The infection rates are increased with each new case of BA.7 (China is currently seeing each covid patient infecting on average 18 other people represented as 1:18, whereas the in US the rate is 1:3.9). Each of these factors increases the risk of developing new strains that are vaccine resistant. \n\nit's definitely unfair and probably racist as well\n\nIs it your position that nations cannot take any prescriptive action to prevent the spread of infected persons from other countries? Again i would remind you that China has basically been locked down for the last 2 years, with severe limitations to personal freedoms themselves. This is not based on race, but rather a government's inability to contain a contagious outbreak in their own country and not wanting it to spread. \n\nA good policy would be to require vaccinations from everybody. Think about it, you are requiring a vaccine that you said doesn't even work. How much sense does that make?\n\nThat might be your definition on good policy, but it isn't mine and that isn't how the west does it. \"I\" am not requiring a vaccine that \"I\" said doesn't work - that was your suggestion not mine. Also, i said the efficacy of the Chinese vaccine is 50% - based on available information - i never said it didn't work, and i never said that it should be mandatory or required.\n\nNascent?\n\nPoor and wrong word choice on my part it seems. What i meant was ascribing the US decision to require testing of Chinese travelers to racism because you believe that the US is racist is laughable. Taking a test to prove that you are covid negative is far less onerous on a traveler than most visa requirements.\n\nIt's definitely about punishing china, it's a part of the current cold war with China conducted by the USA.\n\nCite your sources. I could point to many Chinese government policies that i could say are part of the current cold war with the US without backing it up and it would be just as credible as what you said. Opinion is not a source, and not proof. You assume that the US government is racist, that this policy is racist and yet we have had travel bans imposed on other countries, as well as testing required for travelers from other countries imposed before, and other policies and so has China. For goodness sake China has been closed to foreigners for almost 3 years, and is still closed to foreign travel until January 2023. Is that a racist policy as well?", ">\n\nHere we go again.\nThis time I think I'll learn French cooking.", ">\n\n5000 People a day will have to die before Anybody says the word Lock down in the States ever again.", ">\n\nDon’t understand why people can’t handle staying at home for two weeks when it could potentially eradicate a deadly virus. Are we that weak?", ">\n\nWe did that in large part in March 2020. And did China not spend years locking down their citizens? \nPeoples savings are gone. They need to work. \nWearing a mask would do a lot to help the issue but people aren’t willing to do that anymore.", ">\n\nWe didn't do that though. We didn't all lock down when we were supposed to. Where I work I had to go in from the very start all the way through. Most people, the majority of people, didn't stay home even if they didn't have work. Most people didn't fuck with masks or keeping a distance, and even people who weren't antivaccers didn't take the vaccine seriously for the longest time. \nWe had no fucking lock down, unless you were a well-off celebrity or comedian who wanted to talk about being locked down for content. \nIf people legit locked down, they would have taken a small hit financially, but too many people didn't do shit and prolonged everything.", ">\n\nThe things is that it doesn't take long to drain peoples saving - becuase the overwhelming majority of people have practically none. \nSo an extended lockdown was never feasible unless the government was willing to pay several trillion dollars of expenses, not just 2 or 3 times but several times over.", ">\n\nI didn't dispute any of what you said. I pointed out that most people actively contested any safety measure and most people didn't actually lock down. Any extension will almost certainly be the fault of most of those people. \nI'd gladly let them all die if it meant the few people who did take things seriously didn't have to live through a Walking Dead scenario or have to take a huge financial hit because them.", ">\n\nMost people did lock down just fine initially. After a few weeks turned into a month or more, yeah people got testy.\nAdditionally, a gigantic amount of people work in critical industries and simply cant stay home. Just keeping the lights and water on requires tens of millions of workers, plus industries like plants and refineries that simply cannot shut down without massive long-term consequences.\nReddit is full of office people who can WFH, the vast majority of people cant.", ">\n\nI was one of those who couldn't stay home. Right out of the gate most people gave up on almost all of it except when they were making a show of complying when they had to. There was a lot of cheating. I walk through a lot of different areas. The waves of patients and bodies we got at work tracked with that and became predictable.", ">\n\nWhat’s that saying that ends with ”…doomed to repeat it?”", ">\n\nWhy not just require a negative test from everyone?", ">\n\nWho would you expect to pay for that?", ">\n\nGovernments or sponsors from the private sector ideally, I honestly don’t give a fuck. I’ve gotten many free tests from both and I’ve also bought some for like $8.", ">\n\n“Here we go again” from everyone in the comments. \nThe virus never stopped, we did.", ">\n\nVirus will always be there. Permanent restrictions are unsustainable", ">\n\n3 years later...\nIs this permanent?", ">\n\nI doubt there's anything that would make Republicans running in 2024 happier then Democrats advocating for a return to COVID restrictions.", ">\n\nRight? It’d be like the democrats fighting for gun control, or gay and trans rights, or safe and legal abortions. It would be political suicide to stand for something that Republicans don’t like!", ">\n\nMy understanding is that everything you listed is broadly popular or has at least a majority of American's in favor of it. A return to COVID restrictions is not in that category.", ">\n\nGun control isn’t even universally loved amongst the American left, as the hard left needs them for protection from the hard right they clash with, and the middle left does like having their guns taken as much as any middle right wing does, only mid left likes it", ">\n\nGallup has 57% of Americans feeling that in general gun laws should be more strict.", ">\n\nRegular people want kids to stop dying while in school. The problem is \"stricter laws\" is vague and no one can agree on what it means or give a serious proposal that would work, short of confiscation and bans, which are wildly unpopular.", ">\n\nVague political talking points is the best we’re going to get. Much as I’d love a Ross Perot style of breaking down every platform and promise, the general public doesn’t go for it. Buzz words are all we have the attention span for.", ">\n\nChina's COVID-19 surge raises odds of new coronavirus variants\nThings could get very ugly.", ">\n\nYou say this like covid hasn't been spreading rampantly through literally every country on the planet, mostly without any measures to stop the spread. Why does China get a different treatment and maybe countries should require tests from the US or Inida or Europe?", ">\n\nI agree. US was primarily the culprit of why COVID went rampant to begin with. We actively refused to enforce any sort of safety measures, just a mild suggestion of \"maybe wear a mask, if you want to, it's ok if you don't\" and \"we have vaccines if you want one, no pressure tho\". That was really our response to the world's deadliest pandemic.", ">\n\nWe actively made fun of zero covid approaches on reddit and now based on the comments on this thread we are suddenly pro “zero covid” approaches", ">\n\nEveryone finally watched contagion", ">\n\nSo far my 2023 bingo card is reading alooot of skull and crossbones, I think I might actually win at something next year, what does your score card look like?", ">\n\nWhen’s that $1200 going to hit my account?", ">\n\nI’m still living off mine from last time!", ">\n\nI’m still looking for mine", ">\n\nI’m waiting for that $600 bucks from Biden still, but that’s going right into my retirement!", ">\n\nYou dont get he meant to include any money you already received as well /s", ">\n\nI seem to remember campaign ads with $2000 checks.", ">\n\nYep they explicitly mentioned $2,000 checks.", ">\n\nMy comment was sarcasm but in retrospect there are so many neoliberals saying that word for word in all seriousness that I should and will add a sarcasm tag", ">\n\nThat's nice and all, but let's not act like we're not just ignoring our own COVID problems.", ">\n\n\n\"You don't have zero tolerance anymore? We can't tolerate that.\"\n\n- Country with 100% tolerance", ">\n\nWhy not require a negative COVID test from everyone entering the country? It’s like they don’t want COVID to be under control.", ">\n\nI think this is because China has a relatively low vaccination rate because they relied on lock downs. Now that lock downs are being ramped down, they are having a huge surge.", ">\n\nThe vaccination rate in China is considerably higher than the US (92% vs 81%). This is just another example of yellow peril", ">\n\nThank you for pointing this out. What I said above was wrong about the vaccination rate. I don’t know why exactly China is having a surge. 🤷‍♂️", ">\n\nTheir vaccination rate is high but their vaccine, SinoVac is based on old tech. It conveys effectively zero protection from variants when compared to all the other types of vaccines on the market.", ">\n\nYou guys are so full of shit. At 3 doses Sinovac gives the same protection as any western vaccine with boosters to help mitigate mutated variants. Stop spreading misinfo.", ">\n\n\"Does that thumbnail of someone getting tested read too much like 'screaming uselessly into the void'?\"\n\"I'm sure it'll be fine.\"", ">\n\nMaybe, just maybe they shouldnt have stopped testing airplane passengers in the first place... \nWe have cheap, readily available tests that take 10 minutes to complete. There’s really no reason not to test ever passenger before boarding...", ">\n\nEveryone I know who had Omicron tested negative until their symptoms cleared. It was evading the RATs, for some reason.", ">\n\nI tested positive on a rapid test two days after getting congested. Every teacher coworker of mine who bothered to test after getting cold symptoms also did. I think it's why so few parents now test their kids before sending time to school sick. They don't want to know so we all find out when we or our family members then test positive, missing work on their sick kids' behalf so they didn't have to. \nI have also heard the rapid test can give false negatives but anecdotal references don't mean much.", ">\n\nA day late and a dollar short. Same old song and dance.", ">\n\nWow, it’s like history literally repeating itself.", ">\n\nIndeed it is. I hope everyone is prepared for what’s next.", ">\n\nWe should require negative COVID tests for people to fly within the US, too.\nIt makes no difference to me if the person who infects me at LAX is coming in from China, or from Texas.", ">\n\nThere is a high chance anyone that comes from China has Covid right now. Low chance that someone inside America has.", ">\n\nNaw. China’s percent is much higher, sure, but it’s not like US infection rates are low. You can pretty much guarantee an infected American on every sold out domestic flight. The latest variants are super, super contagious, and it only takes one infected person to pose a serious risk to the other people sharing their space, and then all of their families and friends after they land. All flights should still require testing and masking at this point, or all we’ve really accomplished is pacifying the dimwits and xenophobes.\nI know at least 3 people who 100% contracted COVID while flying domestically in the US this last month - because they were isolated for the incubation period beforehand. They were masked the entire time they were in the airport and on the plane.", ">\n\nIf they were masked up and I assume vaccinated and still caught the virus then preventable measures like these aren’t that effective.", ">\n\nIs there a new strain of Covid that isn't in the U.S yet, otherwise what's the point.", ">\n\nUm testing should not ever stop.", ">\n\nAh shit here we go again", ">\n\n\"Who left the fridge open?\"", ">\n\nIt's \"just a cold\" unless it's a non-white person from another country carrying it.\n/s", ">\n\nChina implemented an ineffective vaccine and had 30m+ cases in one day. It’s specifically that gov. refusing to use effective vaccines", ">\n\nAnd the United States had effective vaccines that half the country is not willing to nor willing to wear masks, while complaining to other countries like China about their travel restrictions (from China and Hong Kong). And honestly I’m not oppose to a tighter restriction on China while they are experiencing a surge in new cases just as it did with any other countries that initially loosen covid restrictions, what makes me question this being race or politically motivated is the hypocrisy; people complained about China being oppressive when it was enforcing all the covid restrictions and when they loosen it “China doesn’t care about human lives”.\nSo what exactly do you want them to do?", ">\n\n\nto Require Negative Covid Tests for Travelers From China\n\nLuckily China is well known for its systemic unwillingness to fake or counterfeit things, so everything should be fine.\nhonest.", ">\n\nSeems purely retaliatory with no actual effectiveness.\nEnforcement is over a week away and presumably China has hit its peak already (flights being 40% positive)", ">\n\nThe rich rats are going to buy fake tests and jump ship breaking quarantine just like they did in the first wave. Cutting flights or enforcing quarantines is the only way to prevent this stuff from jumping oceans but god forbid anybody inhibit the jet setters.", ">\n\nHALF of the passengers on a plane from China going to Italy tested positive the other day (tested on arrival). Chances are most if not all of them had negative test results they could show that they took before they left. This won't do anything to stop people coming into the US while positive..we are going to have to go through this all over again and we won't have the same somewhat cooperative response in the US this time if it is a variant that evades immunity... It will get REALLY bad.", ">\n\nSeriously they know red states will just let them in and will never do another shut down again. So start dealt with out break countries this way to slow it down or corner it. But I see very very bad days ahead for China and Russia is starting to report out breaks too.", ">\n\nMust. When?", ">\n\nWe already require this from canada iirc\nEdit: i was wrong, canada requires it from us.", ">\n\nI hope we are talking PCR tests... those store-bought 15-minute ones struggle to get a positive if you have any sort of vaccination, even while symptomatic and miserable.", ">\n\nWell, a little bit of good news. I'll take it.", ">\n\nTravel should have been 100$ restricted a long time ago. Travel should be restricted to any country experiencing a COVID outbreak.", ">\n\nWonderful. Another round of Asian hating.", ">\n\nWho's hating on Asians? We're trying to stop this virus from killing people.", ">\n\nor… ban flights from china??", ">\n\nDoesn’t make sense in singling out China when covid is widespread in every single country", ">\n\nThe extent of covid in china atm is just absurd. Two weeks ago, they had 37 MILLION cases in one day. Think about that. Thats more people than a lot of countries! \nsource", ">\n\nI wonder why China has so much trouble with COVID compared to other countries, despite being so strict.", ">\n\nIt’s because they had the zero covid approaches that people are advocating for in this thread and they suddenly reversed course. Everyone in China is getting it so fast its likely the same variants quickly spreading in a population that suddenly reversed course. Having many people getting it over time and exposed to new generations of the virus (which is what happens over time) is more insidious but people here think thats fine", ">\n\nEveryone saying this is racist, do not pay attention to the world", ">\n\nIt was called racist and xenophobic when Trump did it. The left are hypocritical emotional wrecks.", ">\n\nnah trump was racist or did you forget he called it the “china virus” and subsequent hate crimes increased against adians", ">\n\nLet’s not change the subject. We’re talking about testing travelers from China here. Always trying to deflect.", ">\n\nIs that what he did, though? That and nothing else? This is a Fox News headline, but I bet there's a lot more to it. There usually is.\nFYI, Italy is also requiring testing of travelers from China at this time.\nBecause of the high number of cases in China at this time.", ">\n\nSo many dumb replies here. I am sad about where humankind is at.", ">\n\nRound two people", ">\n\nWe need to ramp up testing again at border.", ">\n\nChina trying to stop Covid…lol! Fail miserably at that, build a huge infected population, then unleash it on the world. Great job China /s", ">\n\nSell then the Moderna vaccine so they can treat themselves, ans end this debacle.", ">\n\nEven if US send Moderna and Phizer vaccine, China will not use it, because they boast about \"superior\" Chinese vaccine and don't want to lose face.\n​\nUntil they change their attitude, I suggest keeping restriction in place for PRC travelers.", ">\n\nOh definitely.", ">\n\nCCP exporting covid again.", ">\n\nPaywall - can anyone help me read the article? It sounds great in theory but why wait so long? That’s how this all started in 2020. Test now!", ">\n\nChina has been in quarantine until the protests. They have a very low of vaccinated people, so now everyone's breathing on each other's necks, squeezing in tight places and now introducing another pandemic. \nI believe a combination of everyone quarantined for too long and non vaccinated people are making this a very deadly spread.", ">\n\nTheir vaccination rate is not too bad, except among the elderly. But their vaccine was shit even before all the variants.\nThey've been trying to use lockdown to prevent spread and with the new variants that just won't work.\nSo yeah, they're pretty fucked.", ">\n\nVaccination rate is good, but the rate of people who are up to date on boosters is where they fall short even beyond just the elderly. It also doesn't help that the vaccine being used is overall less effective than the ones being used elsewhere like you said. Makes those booster shots many are lacking even more critical.", ">\n\nApparently Americans only get worried when it’s Chinese people spreading Covid as opposed to their own residents, citizens and Europeans.", ">\n\nseems xenophobic /s", ">\n\noh I'm sure conservatives will be very concerned about the \"freedoms\" of those travelers from China", ">\n\nHow's this going to work for the 75% of all our manufactured goods coming in from China?", ">\n\nThank God Biden is doing this if it was Trump they call him racist .", ">\n\nTrump admin did this and it was hailed as a great idea, because it was. And is.\nWho tf cares who the man or president is when it comes to health? Why are some people like this?", ">\n\nYou know that wasnt true.", ">\n\nWhy would they make a move that would indisputably send hundreds of thousands of infected into the wider world including those that may wind up being infected with a new variant or two? \nCan we at least conclude that China does not care about this possibility? Is that verboten to say?\nCan an axiomatically correct statement still result in a ban?", ">\n\nSounds kinda racist.", ">\n\nMakes absolute sense considering what's currently going on there. Canada should do the same. I'll even go as far as say suspend visas / entry from that part of the world temporarily, until they can get it under control", ">\n\nMakes sense. China is exploding with covid and who knows if/when the next bad variant develops there.", ">\n\nLmao Reddit enjoying their shut in lives so much I’d rather jump off the tallest bridge near me before going into lockdowns again.", ">\n\nXenophobia", ">\n\nXenophobic Biden", ">\n\nPeople are acting like Covid stopped spreading in the US… The US just decided to ignore it, that is until China gained more cases, and now it’s back to fear mongering Chinese people. I see that xenophobia is still alive and well in the US.", ">\n\nMy family and I caught covid during Thanksgiving after being careful for two years. Fortunately, we're all vaccinated so the symptoms didn't hit us too hard. We just got lax with being careful, but we'll probably be wearing our masks in crowded places just to be safe.", ">\n\nI never stopped wearing masks in the US while going to stores. The reality is we have had waves of Covid here in the US, and we have had different mutations of variants too.", ">\n\nThats racist. Biden should be ashamed of himself for allowing such bigotry and hatred towards our Chinese brethren.", ">\n\nThis applies to anyone traveling from China, not just the Chinese.", ">\n\nI wouldn’t think another country was rascist if the USA had a huge surge and temporarily suspended flights to:from the USA until the numbers came down.", ">\n\nSame biological warfare when westerners were entering into China in 2022?", ">\n\n50 Cent army, out in full force!", ">\n\nWhy are we letting anyone in from China?", ">\n\nCitizens and most permanent residents cannot be refused admission.", ">\n\nOh, here we go again.", ">\n\nKind of ironic seeing how the US has worse cases lmao", ">\n\nUS will keep up the bio attacks until the world complies with their foreign policy. Which is to keep China from becoming a threat to its hegemony", ">\n\nWeird how we can’t make our own citizens mask or test but we can make sure travelers from other places do \nWild how absolutely absurd the timeline we’re living in js", ">\n\nGood. We should not allow anyone from any country the opportunity to enter our country without proof.", ">\n\nIt’s not xenophobia, it’s (D)ifferent this time. Maybe if they let trump try this in the first place", ">\n\nThis just adds fuel to racist anti-Asian sentiment in the US. What about all the people on the plane with Chinese travelers who aren't Chinese? If the situation warrants testing of anyone, it warrants testing of everyone.", ">\n\nThis is just politics. Do we really want to pretend we don’t have an overwhelming amount of COVID cases right now in America? Everyone knows most people don’t test unless they’re very sick (which is rare now) and most who even do test use at home tests and don’t report the results. Can we really just not admit to ourselves as a nation that for the overwhelming majority of people COVID no longer poses a serious threat? Hospitalization, death and long COVID are statistically insignificant for healthy vaccinated individuals at this point I don’t see why anyone can see this as anymore than political posturing.", ">\n\nWelcome to the virtue signaling zone.", ">\n\nWell ??? Why wouldn't we check considering their outbreak is significant. Seriously was this a question ?", ">\n\nChina’s authoritarian regime locked down their country for years… this contained rhe virus until mass protests as well as international condemnations. So I believe Chinese govt is teaching their citizens a lesson. Let them roam free and allow international travel into the country. Let them get severely ill and die. Then they will acknowledge and apologize to the government. This type of reverse psychology isn’t new.", ">\n\nWe the People require a vigilant health care approach to our borders at the expense of [Pure Greed] from those who capitalize on what ails us\nWe the People demand all institutions do a readiness check \nAt which time We the People can demand a Meeting of the Continental Congress to address the state of our union, to reboot the principles and powers of the American Constitution and Bill of Rights, to re instate the neutral balance of power in the houses and senate of all levels of our current government[ one party control is not the operation of the United States of America 🇺🇸]", ">\n\nIf only we had this kind of foresight 3 years ago… we could have avoided this whole mess.", ">\n\nAnd Trump was called xenophobic when we asked for the same thing", ">\n\nExactly", ">\n\nWe should have another global 2020-tier lockdown period, imo. Work at home, way less flights active etc.", ">\n\nAnd millions of people, children, the most disadvantaged would die and suffer", ">\n\nI feel like they need to extend this restriction to all of Europe as well. It’s already spread outside of China.", ">\n\nSo I’m guessing it’s not racist now that Biden is doing it.", ">\n\nAgeeed", ">\n\nSome will get through. We may be in trouble.", ">\n\nIt's a racist policy. Why not ban people from Florida from traveling to the rest of the US? What's the difference?", ">\n\nThe scientific and medical community believe China is headed for another outbreak so this step is a must", ">\n\nCanadian here. I traveled from Toronto's Pearson International airport to the U S in November for Thanksgiving and the majority of travelers going through security were, I'd guess, Chinese carrying passports from that country, most not wearing masks. I don't really know if they were Canadian citizens or not but their passports definitely were not.", ">\n\nYet banning travel from China back in 2019-2020 was racist and xenophobic . No wonder the public has no confidence in the government.", ">\n\nI can’t believe the Biden admin actually went through this. They’re testing them just because they’re Chinese??? That is so racist smh", ">\n\nThis applies to anyone coming from China, not just Chinese citizens. It’s based on the ongoing outbreak, not their race.", ">\n\nWell it’s still racist to assume anyone from China is infected just because of where they’re coming from", ">\n\nIt’s not racist at all. “Coming from China” is not a race. They will test everyone on the plane regardless of demographics." ]
> Damn that’s so racist #stopasianhate
[ "People from China will travel through Europe and come in to America from the east coast like they did when the pandemic started. This will do nothing if all travelers aboard aren’t made to test.", ">\n\nLet's hope EU and other countries do the same.", ">\n\nI don't know if they will. Australia (for example) had some of the toughest Covid policies and they've essentially just thrown them all out the window.\nSo I don't know how willing countries are to go back to being overly concerned about Covid.", ">\n\nThey should be concerned w chinese, it's spreading like wildfire in china. If we aren't careful, they will come out w covid 20.", ">\n\nIt’s spreading everywhere including the USA. This policy has nothing to do with science or medicine. It’s just politics.", ">\n\nNo. It’s circulating like mad in a population of 1 billion people who haven’t been exposed before. This is how new variants come about. Every country should require negative Covid test for china at least until it cycles through the population", ">\n\n\nNo. It’s circulating like mad in a population of 1 billion people who haven’t been exposed before.\n\nIt's also spreading like mad in all the countries of the world including the USA.\n\nThis is how new variants come about. \n\nAnd they have been for years now.\n\nEvery country should require negative Covid test for china at least until it cycles through the population\n\nOnly for political reasons. There is no scientific or rational demand for this. \nI get it, you hate china, most americans hate china so just be honest and say what you really mean.", ">\n\nStrains are spreading in the west yes, but there are new strains in China that are spreading and we don't know if our vaccines will work with those strains. We know the Chinese vaccines have a low efficacy rate and we know they are not mRNA vaccines which allow for easier adaptation to new strains. Making travelers with a Chinese passport take Covid tests at any and all airports is not racist or even unfair - a reminder that China has been relatively hard to travel to for the last 2 years because they were locked down to foreign travel as well. This is simply good policy from a public health measure, and you not wanting to see that for what it is and instead attribute it to a nascent American hatred for China is laughable. the World Health Organization estimated close to 800 million new cases in China in the next few months, with another estimate 4 million deaths and countless new strains coming out during that period. This is about protection populations, not punishing China.", ">\n\n\nStrains are spreading in the west yes, but there are new strains in China that are spreading and we don't know if our vaccines will work with those strains.\n\nYou don't know if vaccines work against any new variant even if that variant is from a country populated with white people.\n\nWe know the Chinese vaccines have a low efficacy rate and we know they are not mRNA vaccines which allow for easier adaptation to new strains. \n\nThe vaccine doesn't adapt once inside of your body you know that right?\n\nMaking travelers with a Chinese passport take Covid tests at any and all airports is not racist or even unfair \n\nit's definitely unfair and probably racist as well.\n\nhis is simply good policy from a public health measure, a\n\nA good policy would be to require vaccinations from everybody. Think about it, you are requiring a vaccine that you said doesn't even work. How much sense does that make?\n\nattribute it to a nascent American hatred for China is laughable.\n\nNascent?\n\nThis is about protection populations, not punishing China.\n\nIt's definitely about punishing china, it's a part of the current cold war with China conducted by the USA.", ">\n\n\nYou don't know if vaccines work against any new variant even if that variant is from a country populated with white people.\n\nAll the more reason to not invite more new strains into the country. White population or otherwise has nothing to do with it, expected rise in cases in China does.\n\nThe vaccine doesn't adapt once inside of your body you know that right?\n\nYou missed the point. The point i was making was that the Chinese medical system has not even approached Covid with an mRNA vaccine, and steadfastly refused to license western vaccines. If the vaccine most readily available in China has a 50% efficacy then the population is at more risk of contracting the virus and having negative results. The infection rates are increased with each new case of BA.7 (China is currently seeing each covid patient infecting on average 18 other people represented as 1:18, whereas the in US the rate is 1:3.9). Each of these factors increases the risk of developing new strains that are vaccine resistant. \n\nit's definitely unfair and probably racist as well\n\nIs it your position that nations cannot take any prescriptive action to prevent the spread of infected persons from other countries? Again i would remind you that China has basically been locked down for the last 2 years, with severe limitations to personal freedoms themselves. This is not based on race, but rather a government's inability to contain a contagious outbreak in their own country and not wanting it to spread. \n\nA good policy would be to require vaccinations from everybody. Think about it, you are requiring a vaccine that you said doesn't even work. How much sense does that make?\n\nThat might be your definition on good policy, but it isn't mine and that isn't how the west does it. \"I\" am not requiring a vaccine that \"I\" said doesn't work - that was your suggestion not mine. Also, i said the efficacy of the Chinese vaccine is 50% - based on available information - i never said it didn't work, and i never said that it should be mandatory or required.\n\nNascent?\n\nPoor and wrong word choice on my part it seems. What i meant was ascribing the US decision to require testing of Chinese travelers to racism because you believe that the US is racist is laughable. Taking a test to prove that you are covid negative is far less onerous on a traveler than most visa requirements.\n\nIt's definitely about punishing china, it's a part of the current cold war with China conducted by the USA.\n\nCite your sources. I could point to many Chinese government policies that i could say are part of the current cold war with the US without backing it up and it would be just as credible as what you said. Opinion is not a source, and not proof. You assume that the US government is racist, that this policy is racist and yet we have had travel bans imposed on other countries, as well as testing required for travelers from other countries imposed before, and other policies and so has China. For goodness sake China has been closed to foreigners for almost 3 years, and is still closed to foreign travel until January 2023. Is that a racist policy as well?", ">\n\nHere we go again.\nThis time I think I'll learn French cooking.", ">\n\n5000 People a day will have to die before Anybody says the word Lock down in the States ever again.", ">\n\nDon’t understand why people can’t handle staying at home for two weeks when it could potentially eradicate a deadly virus. Are we that weak?", ">\n\nWe did that in large part in March 2020. And did China not spend years locking down their citizens? \nPeoples savings are gone. They need to work. \nWearing a mask would do a lot to help the issue but people aren’t willing to do that anymore.", ">\n\nWe didn't do that though. We didn't all lock down when we were supposed to. Where I work I had to go in from the very start all the way through. Most people, the majority of people, didn't stay home even if they didn't have work. Most people didn't fuck with masks or keeping a distance, and even people who weren't antivaccers didn't take the vaccine seriously for the longest time. \nWe had no fucking lock down, unless you were a well-off celebrity or comedian who wanted to talk about being locked down for content. \nIf people legit locked down, they would have taken a small hit financially, but too many people didn't do shit and prolonged everything.", ">\n\nThe things is that it doesn't take long to drain peoples saving - becuase the overwhelming majority of people have practically none. \nSo an extended lockdown was never feasible unless the government was willing to pay several trillion dollars of expenses, not just 2 or 3 times but several times over.", ">\n\nI didn't dispute any of what you said. I pointed out that most people actively contested any safety measure and most people didn't actually lock down. Any extension will almost certainly be the fault of most of those people. \nI'd gladly let them all die if it meant the few people who did take things seriously didn't have to live through a Walking Dead scenario or have to take a huge financial hit because them.", ">\n\nMost people did lock down just fine initially. After a few weeks turned into a month or more, yeah people got testy.\nAdditionally, a gigantic amount of people work in critical industries and simply cant stay home. Just keeping the lights and water on requires tens of millions of workers, plus industries like plants and refineries that simply cannot shut down without massive long-term consequences.\nReddit is full of office people who can WFH, the vast majority of people cant.", ">\n\nI was one of those who couldn't stay home. Right out of the gate most people gave up on almost all of it except when they were making a show of complying when they had to. There was a lot of cheating. I walk through a lot of different areas. The waves of patients and bodies we got at work tracked with that and became predictable.", ">\n\nWhat’s that saying that ends with ”…doomed to repeat it?”", ">\n\nWhy not just require a negative test from everyone?", ">\n\nWho would you expect to pay for that?", ">\n\nGovernments or sponsors from the private sector ideally, I honestly don’t give a fuck. I’ve gotten many free tests from both and I’ve also bought some for like $8.", ">\n\n“Here we go again” from everyone in the comments. \nThe virus never stopped, we did.", ">\n\nVirus will always be there. Permanent restrictions are unsustainable", ">\n\n3 years later...\nIs this permanent?", ">\n\nI doubt there's anything that would make Republicans running in 2024 happier then Democrats advocating for a return to COVID restrictions.", ">\n\nRight? It’d be like the democrats fighting for gun control, or gay and trans rights, or safe and legal abortions. It would be political suicide to stand for something that Republicans don’t like!", ">\n\nMy understanding is that everything you listed is broadly popular or has at least a majority of American's in favor of it. A return to COVID restrictions is not in that category.", ">\n\nGun control isn’t even universally loved amongst the American left, as the hard left needs them for protection from the hard right they clash with, and the middle left does like having their guns taken as much as any middle right wing does, only mid left likes it", ">\n\nGallup has 57% of Americans feeling that in general gun laws should be more strict.", ">\n\nRegular people want kids to stop dying while in school. The problem is \"stricter laws\" is vague and no one can agree on what it means or give a serious proposal that would work, short of confiscation and bans, which are wildly unpopular.", ">\n\nVague political talking points is the best we’re going to get. Much as I’d love a Ross Perot style of breaking down every platform and promise, the general public doesn’t go for it. Buzz words are all we have the attention span for.", ">\n\nChina's COVID-19 surge raises odds of new coronavirus variants\nThings could get very ugly.", ">\n\nYou say this like covid hasn't been spreading rampantly through literally every country on the planet, mostly without any measures to stop the spread. Why does China get a different treatment and maybe countries should require tests from the US or Inida or Europe?", ">\n\nI agree. US was primarily the culprit of why COVID went rampant to begin with. We actively refused to enforce any sort of safety measures, just a mild suggestion of \"maybe wear a mask, if you want to, it's ok if you don't\" and \"we have vaccines if you want one, no pressure tho\". That was really our response to the world's deadliest pandemic.", ">\n\nWe actively made fun of zero covid approaches on reddit and now based on the comments on this thread we are suddenly pro “zero covid” approaches", ">\n\nEveryone finally watched contagion", ">\n\nSo far my 2023 bingo card is reading alooot of skull and crossbones, I think I might actually win at something next year, what does your score card look like?", ">\n\nWhen’s that $1200 going to hit my account?", ">\n\nI’m still living off mine from last time!", ">\n\nI’m still looking for mine", ">\n\nI’m waiting for that $600 bucks from Biden still, but that’s going right into my retirement!", ">\n\nYou dont get he meant to include any money you already received as well /s", ">\n\nI seem to remember campaign ads with $2000 checks.", ">\n\nYep they explicitly mentioned $2,000 checks.", ">\n\nMy comment was sarcasm but in retrospect there are so many neoliberals saying that word for word in all seriousness that I should and will add a sarcasm tag", ">\n\nThat's nice and all, but let's not act like we're not just ignoring our own COVID problems.", ">\n\n\n\"You don't have zero tolerance anymore? We can't tolerate that.\"\n\n- Country with 100% tolerance", ">\n\nWhy not require a negative COVID test from everyone entering the country? It’s like they don’t want COVID to be under control.", ">\n\nI think this is because China has a relatively low vaccination rate because they relied on lock downs. Now that lock downs are being ramped down, they are having a huge surge.", ">\n\nThe vaccination rate in China is considerably higher than the US (92% vs 81%). This is just another example of yellow peril", ">\n\nThank you for pointing this out. What I said above was wrong about the vaccination rate. I don’t know why exactly China is having a surge. 🤷‍♂️", ">\n\nTheir vaccination rate is high but their vaccine, SinoVac is based on old tech. It conveys effectively zero protection from variants when compared to all the other types of vaccines on the market.", ">\n\nYou guys are so full of shit. At 3 doses Sinovac gives the same protection as any western vaccine with boosters to help mitigate mutated variants. Stop spreading misinfo.", ">\n\n\"Does that thumbnail of someone getting tested read too much like 'screaming uselessly into the void'?\"\n\"I'm sure it'll be fine.\"", ">\n\nMaybe, just maybe they shouldnt have stopped testing airplane passengers in the first place... \nWe have cheap, readily available tests that take 10 minutes to complete. There’s really no reason not to test ever passenger before boarding...", ">\n\nEveryone I know who had Omicron tested negative until their symptoms cleared. It was evading the RATs, for some reason.", ">\n\nI tested positive on a rapid test two days after getting congested. Every teacher coworker of mine who bothered to test after getting cold symptoms also did. I think it's why so few parents now test their kids before sending time to school sick. They don't want to know so we all find out when we or our family members then test positive, missing work on their sick kids' behalf so they didn't have to. \nI have also heard the rapid test can give false negatives but anecdotal references don't mean much.", ">\n\nA day late and a dollar short. Same old song and dance.", ">\n\nWow, it’s like history literally repeating itself.", ">\n\nIndeed it is. I hope everyone is prepared for what’s next.", ">\n\nWe should require negative COVID tests for people to fly within the US, too.\nIt makes no difference to me if the person who infects me at LAX is coming in from China, or from Texas.", ">\n\nThere is a high chance anyone that comes from China has Covid right now. Low chance that someone inside America has.", ">\n\nNaw. China’s percent is much higher, sure, but it’s not like US infection rates are low. You can pretty much guarantee an infected American on every sold out domestic flight. The latest variants are super, super contagious, and it only takes one infected person to pose a serious risk to the other people sharing their space, and then all of their families and friends after they land. All flights should still require testing and masking at this point, or all we’ve really accomplished is pacifying the dimwits and xenophobes.\nI know at least 3 people who 100% contracted COVID while flying domestically in the US this last month - because they were isolated for the incubation period beforehand. They were masked the entire time they were in the airport and on the plane.", ">\n\nIf they were masked up and I assume vaccinated and still caught the virus then preventable measures like these aren’t that effective.", ">\n\nIs there a new strain of Covid that isn't in the U.S yet, otherwise what's the point.", ">\n\nUm testing should not ever stop.", ">\n\nAh shit here we go again", ">\n\n\"Who left the fridge open?\"", ">\n\nIt's \"just a cold\" unless it's a non-white person from another country carrying it.\n/s", ">\n\nChina implemented an ineffective vaccine and had 30m+ cases in one day. It’s specifically that gov. refusing to use effective vaccines", ">\n\nAnd the United States had effective vaccines that half the country is not willing to nor willing to wear masks, while complaining to other countries like China about their travel restrictions (from China and Hong Kong). And honestly I’m not oppose to a tighter restriction on China while they are experiencing a surge in new cases just as it did with any other countries that initially loosen covid restrictions, what makes me question this being race or politically motivated is the hypocrisy; people complained about China being oppressive when it was enforcing all the covid restrictions and when they loosen it “China doesn’t care about human lives”.\nSo what exactly do you want them to do?", ">\n\n\nto Require Negative Covid Tests for Travelers From China\n\nLuckily China is well known for its systemic unwillingness to fake or counterfeit things, so everything should be fine.\nhonest.", ">\n\nSeems purely retaliatory with no actual effectiveness.\nEnforcement is over a week away and presumably China has hit its peak already (flights being 40% positive)", ">\n\nThe rich rats are going to buy fake tests and jump ship breaking quarantine just like they did in the first wave. Cutting flights or enforcing quarantines is the only way to prevent this stuff from jumping oceans but god forbid anybody inhibit the jet setters.", ">\n\nHALF of the passengers on a plane from China going to Italy tested positive the other day (tested on arrival). Chances are most if not all of them had negative test results they could show that they took before they left. This won't do anything to stop people coming into the US while positive..we are going to have to go through this all over again and we won't have the same somewhat cooperative response in the US this time if it is a variant that evades immunity... It will get REALLY bad.", ">\n\nSeriously they know red states will just let them in and will never do another shut down again. So start dealt with out break countries this way to slow it down or corner it. But I see very very bad days ahead for China and Russia is starting to report out breaks too.", ">\n\nMust. When?", ">\n\nWe already require this from canada iirc\nEdit: i was wrong, canada requires it from us.", ">\n\nI hope we are talking PCR tests... those store-bought 15-minute ones struggle to get a positive if you have any sort of vaccination, even while symptomatic and miserable.", ">\n\nWell, a little bit of good news. I'll take it.", ">\n\nTravel should have been 100$ restricted a long time ago. Travel should be restricted to any country experiencing a COVID outbreak.", ">\n\nWonderful. Another round of Asian hating.", ">\n\nWho's hating on Asians? We're trying to stop this virus from killing people.", ">\n\nor… ban flights from china??", ">\n\nDoesn’t make sense in singling out China when covid is widespread in every single country", ">\n\nThe extent of covid in china atm is just absurd. Two weeks ago, they had 37 MILLION cases in one day. Think about that. Thats more people than a lot of countries! \nsource", ">\n\nI wonder why China has so much trouble with COVID compared to other countries, despite being so strict.", ">\n\nIt’s because they had the zero covid approaches that people are advocating for in this thread and they suddenly reversed course. Everyone in China is getting it so fast its likely the same variants quickly spreading in a population that suddenly reversed course. Having many people getting it over time and exposed to new generations of the virus (which is what happens over time) is more insidious but people here think thats fine", ">\n\nEveryone saying this is racist, do not pay attention to the world", ">\n\nIt was called racist and xenophobic when Trump did it. The left are hypocritical emotional wrecks.", ">\n\nnah trump was racist or did you forget he called it the “china virus” and subsequent hate crimes increased against adians", ">\n\nLet’s not change the subject. We’re talking about testing travelers from China here. Always trying to deflect.", ">\n\nIs that what he did, though? That and nothing else? This is a Fox News headline, but I bet there's a lot more to it. There usually is.\nFYI, Italy is also requiring testing of travelers from China at this time.\nBecause of the high number of cases in China at this time.", ">\n\nSo many dumb replies here. I am sad about where humankind is at.", ">\n\nRound two people", ">\n\nWe need to ramp up testing again at border.", ">\n\nChina trying to stop Covid…lol! Fail miserably at that, build a huge infected population, then unleash it on the world. Great job China /s", ">\n\nSell then the Moderna vaccine so they can treat themselves, ans end this debacle.", ">\n\nEven if US send Moderna and Phizer vaccine, China will not use it, because they boast about \"superior\" Chinese vaccine and don't want to lose face.\n​\nUntil they change their attitude, I suggest keeping restriction in place for PRC travelers.", ">\n\nOh definitely.", ">\n\nCCP exporting covid again.", ">\n\nPaywall - can anyone help me read the article? It sounds great in theory but why wait so long? That’s how this all started in 2020. Test now!", ">\n\nChina has been in quarantine until the protests. They have a very low of vaccinated people, so now everyone's breathing on each other's necks, squeezing in tight places and now introducing another pandemic. \nI believe a combination of everyone quarantined for too long and non vaccinated people are making this a very deadly spread.", ">\n\nTheir vaccination rate is not too bad, except among the elderly. But their vaccine was shit even before all the variants.\nThey've been trying to use lockdown to prevent spread and with the new variants that just won't work.\nSo yeah, they're pretty fucked.", ">\n\nVaccination rate is good, but the rate of people who are up to date on boosters is where they fall short even beyond just the elderly. It also doesn't help that the vaccine being used is overall less effective than the ones being used elsewhere like you said. Makes those booster shots many are lacking even more critical.", ">\n\nApparently Americans only get worried when it’s Chinese people spreading Covid as opposed to their own residents, citizens and Europeans.", ">\n\nseems xenophobic /s", ">\n\noh I'm sure conservatives will be very concerned about the \"freedoms\" of those travelers from China", ">\n\nHow's this going to work for the 75% of all our manufactured goods coming in from China?", ">\n\nThank God Biden is doing this if it was Trump they call him racist .", ">\n\nTrump admin did this and it was hailed as a great idea, because it was. And is.\nWho tf cares who the man or president is when it comes to health? Why are some people like this?", ">\n\nYou know that wasnt true.", ">\n\nWhy would they make a move that would indisputably send hundreds of thousands of infected into the wider world including those that may wind up being infected with a new variant or two? \nCan we at least conclude that China does not care about this possibility? Is that verboten to say?\nCan an axiomatically correct statement still result in a ban?", ">\n\nSounds kinda racist.", ">\n\nMakes absolute sense considering what's currently going on there. Canada should do the same. I'll even go as far as say suspend visas / entry from that part of the world temporarily, until they can get it under control", ">\n\nMakes sense. China is exploding with covid and who knows if/when the next bad variant develops there.", ">\n\nLmao Reddit enjoying their shut in lives so much I’d rather jump off the tallest bridge near me before going into lockdowns again.", ">\n\nXenophobia", ">\n\nXenophobic Biden", ">\n\nPeople are acting like Covid stopped spreading in the US… The US just decided to ignore it, that is until China gained more cases, and now it’s back to fear mongering Chinese people. I see that xenophobia is still alive and well in the US.", ">\n\nMy family and I caught covid during Thanksgiving after being careful for two years. Fortunately, we're all vaccinated so the symptoms didn't hit us too hard. We just got lax with being careful, but we'll probably be wearing our masks in crowded places just to be safe.", ">\n\nI never stopped wearing masks in the US while going to stores. The reality is we have had waves of Covid here in the US, and we have had different mutations of variants too.", ">\n\nThats racist. Biden should be ashamed of himself for allowing such bigotry and hatred towards our Chinese brethren.", ">\n\nThis applies to anyone traveling from China, not just the Chinese.", ">\n\nI wouldn’t think another country was rascist if the USA had a huge surge and temporarily suspended flights to:from the USA until the numbers came down.", ">\n\nSame biological warfare when westerners were entering into China in 2022?", ">\n\n50 Cent army, out in full force!", ">\n\nWhy are we letting anyone in from China?", ">\n\nCitizens and most permanent residents cannot be refused admission.", ">\n\nOh, here we go again.", ">\n\nKind of ironic seeing how the US has worse cases lmao", ">\n\nUS will keep up the bio attacks until the world complies with their foreign policy. Which is to keep China from becoming a threat to its hegemony", ">\n\nWeird how we can’t make our own citizens mask or test but we can make sure travelers from other places do \nWild how absolutely absurd the timeline we’re living in js", ">\n\nGood. We should not allow anyone from any country the opportunity to enter our country without proof.", ">\n\nIt’s not xenophobia, it’s (D)ifferent this time. Maybe if they let trump try this in the first place", ">\n\nThis just adds fuel to racist anti-Asian sentiment in the US. What about all the people on the plane with Chinese travelers who aren't Chinese? If the situation warrants testing of anyone, it warrants testing of everyone.", ">\n\nThis is just politics. Do we really want to pretend we don’t have an overwhelming amount of COVID cases right now in America? Everyone knows most people don’t test unless they’re very sick (which is rare now) and most who even do test use at home tests and don’t report the results. Can we really just not admit to ourselves as a nation that for the overwhelming majority of people COVID no longer poses a serious threat? Hospitalization, death and long COVID are statistically insignificant for healthy vaccinated individuals at this point I don’t see why anyone can see this as anymore than political posturing.", ">\n\nWelcome to the virtue signaling zone.", ">\n\nWell ??? Why wouldn't we check considering their outbreak is significant. Seriously was this a question ?", ">\n\nChina’s authoritarian regime locked down their country for years… this contained rhe virus until mass protests as well as international condemnations. So I believe Chinese govt is teaching their citizens a lesson. Let them roam free and allow international travel into the country. Let them get severely ill and die. Then they will acknowledge and apologize to the government. This type of reverse psychology isn’t new.", ">\n\nWe the People require a vigilant health care approach to our borders at the expense of [Pure Greed] from those who capitalize on what ails us\nWe the People demand all institutions do a readiness check \nAt which time We the People can demand a Meeting of the Continental Congress to address the state of our union, to reboot the principles and powers of the American Constitution and Bill of Rights, to re instate the neutral balance of power in the houses and senate of all levels of our current government[ one party control is not the operation of the United States of America 🇺🇸]", ">\n\nIf only we had this kind of foresight 3 years ago… we could have avoided this whole mess.", ">\n\nAnd Trump was called xenophobic when we asked for the same thing", ">\n\nExactly", ">\n\nWe should have another global 2020-tier lockdown period, imo. Work at home, way less flights active etc.", ">\n\nAnd millions of people, children, the most disadvantaged would die and suffer", ">\n\nI feel like they need to extend this restriction to all of Europe as well. It’s already spread outside of China.", ">\n\nSo I’m guessing it’s not racist now that Biden is doing it.", ">\n\nAgeeed", ">\n\nSome will get through. We may be in trouble.", ">\n\nIt's a racist policy. Why not ban people from Florida from traveling to the rest of the US? What's the difference?", ">\n\nThe scientific and medical community believe China is headed for another outbreak so this step is a must", ">\n\nCanadian here. I traveled from Toronto's Pearson International airport to the U S in November for Thanksgiving and the majority of travelers going through security were, I'd guess, Chinese carrying passports from that country, most not wearing masks. I don't really know if they were Canadian citizens or not but their passports definitely were not.", ">\n\nYet banning travel from China back in 2019-2020 was racist and xenophobic . No wonder the public has no confidence in the government.", ">\n\nI can’t believe the Biden admin actually went through this. They’re testing them just because they’re Chinese??? That is so racist smh", ">\n\nThis applies to anyone coming from China, not just Chinese citizens. It’s based on the ongoing outbreak, not their race.", ">\n\nWell it’s still racist to assume anyone from China is infected just because of where they’re coming from", ">\n\nIt’s not racist at all. “Coming from China” is not a race. They will test everyone on the plane regardless of demographics.", ">\n\nWhich is racist though. It’s the same thing Trump did by banning anyone coming from China. Why don’t they ban everyone coming from Japan? India? South Korea? Thailand? Etc? Why just the Chinese smh." ]
> 2019 into 2020 all over again. At least China has a strict ban on flights... Oh
[ "People from China will travel through Europe and come in to America from the east coast like they did when the pandemic started. This will do nothing if all travelers aboard aren’t made to test.", ">\n\nLet's hope EU and other countries do the same.", ">\n\nI don't know if they will. Australia (for example) had some of the toughest Covid policies and they've essentially just thrown them all out the window.\nSo I don't know how willing countries are to go back to being overly concerned about Covid.", ">\n\nThey should be concerned w chinese, it's spreading like wildfire in china. If we aren't careful, they will come out w covid 20.", ">\n\nIt’s spreading everywhere including the USA. This policy has nothing to do with science or medicine. It’s just politics.", ">\n\nNo. It’s circulating like mad in a population of 1 billion people who haven’t been exposed before. This is how new variants come about. Every country should require negative Covid test for china at least until it cycles through the population", ">\n\n\nNo. It’s circulating like mad in a population of 1 billion people who haven’t been exposed before.\n\nIt's also spreading like mad in all the countries of the world including the USA.\n\nThis is how new variants come about. \n\nAnd they have been for years now.\n\nEvery country should require negative Covid test for china at least until it cycles through the population\n\nOnly for political reasons. There is no scientific or rational demand for this. \nI get it, you hate china, most americans hate china so just be honest and say what you really mean.", ">\n\nStrains are spreading in the west yes, but there are new strains in China that are spreading and we don't know if our vaccines will work with those strains. We know the Chinese vaccines have a low efficacy rate and we know they are not mRNA vaccines which allow for easier adaptation to new strains. Making travelers with a Chinese passport take Covid tests at any and all airports is not racist or even unfair - a reminder that China has been relatively hard to travel to for the last 2 years because they were locked down to foreign travel as well. This is simply good policy from a public health measure, and you not wanting to see that for what it is and instead attribute it to a nascent American hatred for China is laughable. the World Health Organization estimated close to 800 million new cases in China in the next few months, with another estimate 4 million deaths and countless new strains coming out during that period. This is about protection populations, not punishing China.", ">\n\n\nStrains are spreading in the west yes, but there are new strains in China that are spreading and we don't know if our vaccines will work with those strains.\n\nYou don't know if vaccines work against any new variant even if that variant is from a country populated with white people.\n\nWe know the Chinese vaccines have a low efficacy rate and we know they are not mRNA vaccines which allow for easier adaptation to new strains. \n\nThe vaccine doesn't adapt once inside of your body you know that right?\n\nMaking travelers with a Chinese passport take Covid tests at any and all airports is not racist or even unfair \n\nit's definitely unfair and probably racist as well.\n\nhis is simply good policy from a public health measure, a\n\nA good policy would be to require vaccinations from everybody. Think about it, you are requiring a vaccine that you said doesn't even work. How much sense does that make?\n\nattribute it to a nascent American hatred for China is laughable.\n\nNascent?\n\nThis is about protection populations, not punishing China.\n\nIt's definitely about punishing china, it's a part of the current cold war with China conducted by the USA.", ">\n\n\nYou don't know if vaccines work against any new variant even if that variant is from a country populated with white people.\n\nAll the more reason to not invite more new strains into the country. White population or otherwise has nothing to do with it, expected rise in cases in China does.\n\nThe vaccine doesn't adapt once inside of your body you know that right?\n\nYou missed the point. The point i was making was that the Chinese medical system has not even approached Covid with an mRNA vaccine, and steadfastly refused to license western vaccines. If the vaccine most readily available in China has a 50% efficacy then the population is at more risk of contracting the virus and having negative results. The infection rates are increased with each new case of BA.7 (China is currently seeing each covid patient infecting on average 18 other people represented as 1:18, whereas the in US the rate is 1:3.9). Each of these factors increases the risk of developing new strains that are vaccine resistant. \n\nit's definitely unfair and probably racist as well\n\nIs it your position that nations cannot take any prescriptive action to prevent the spread of infected persons from other countries? Again i would remind you that China has basically been locked down for the last 2 years, with severe limitations to personal freedoms themselves. This is not based on race, but rather a government's inability to contain a contagious outbreak in their own country and not wanting it to spread. \n\nA good policy would be to require vaccinations from everybody. Think about it, you are requiring a vaccine that you said doesn't even work. How much sense does that make?\n\nThat might be your definition on good policy, but it isn't mine and that isn't how the west does it. \"I\" am not requiring a vaccine that \"I\" said doesn't work - that was your suggestion not mine. Also, i said the efficacy of the Chinese vaccine is 50% - based on available information - i never said it didn't work, and i never said that it should be mandatory or required.\n\nNascent?\n\nPoor and wrong word choice on my part it seems. What i meant was ascribing the US decision to require testing of Chinese travelers to racism because you believe that the US is racist is laughable. Taking a test to prove that you are covid negative is far less onerous on a traveler than most visa requirements.\n\nIt's definitely about punishing china, it's a part of the current cold war with China conducted by the USA.\n\nCite your sources. I could point to many Chinese government policies that i could say are part of the current cold war with the US without backing it up and it would be just as credible as what you said. Opinion is not a source, and not proof. You assume that the US government is racist, that this policy is racist and yet we have had travel bans imposed on other countries, as well as testing required for travelers from other countries imposed before, and other policies and so has China. For goodness sake China has been closed to foreigners for almost 3 years, and is still closed to foreign travel until January 2023. Is that a racist policy as well?", ">\n\nHere we go again.\nThis time I think I'll learn French cooking.", ">\n\n5000 People a day will have to die before Anybody says the word Lock down in the States ever again.", ">\n\nDon’t understand why people can’t handle staying at home for two weeks when it could potentially eradicate a deadly virus. Are we that weak?", ">\n\nWe did that in large part in March 2020. And did China not spend years locking down their citizens? \nPeoples savings are gone. They need to work. \nWearing a mask would do a lot to help the issue but people aren’t willing to do that anymore.", ">\n\nWe didn't do that though. We didn't all lock down when we were supposed to. Where I work I had to go in from the very start all the way through. Most people, the majority of people, didn't stay home even if they didn't have work. Most people didn't fuck with masks or keeping a distance, and even people who weren't antivaccers didn't take the vaccine seriously for the longest time. \nWe had no fucking lock down, unless you were a well-off celebrity or comedian who wanted to talk about being locked down for content. \nIf people legit locked down, they would have taken a small hit financially, but too many people didn't do shit and prolonged everything.", ">\n\nThe things is that it doesn't take long to drain peoples saving - becuase the overwhelming majority of people have practically none. \nSo an extended lockdown was never feasible unless the government was willing to pay several trillion dollars of expenses, not just 2 or 3 times but several times over.", ">\n\nI didn't dispute any of what you said. I pointed out that most people actively contested any safety measure and most people didn't actually lock down. Any extension will almost certainly be the fault of most of those people. \nI'd gladly let them all die if it meant the few people who did take things seriously didn't have to live through a Walking Dead scenario or have to take a huge financial hit because them.", ">\n\nMost people did lock down just fine initially. After a few weeks turned into a month or more, yeah people got testy.\nAdditionally, a gigantic amount of people work in critical industries and simply cant stay home. Just keeping the lights and water on requires tens of millions of workers, plus industries like plants and refineries that simply cannot shut down without massive long-term consequences.\nReddit is full of office people who can WFH, the vast majority of people cant.", ">\n\nI was one of those who couldn't stay home. Right out of the gate most people gave up on almost all of it except when they were making a show of complying when they had to. There was a lot of cheating. I walk through a lot of different areas. The waves of patients and bodies we got at work tracked with that and became predictable.", ">\n\nWhat’s that saying that ends with ”…doomed to repeat it?”", ">\n\nWhy not just require a negative test from everyone?", ">\n\nWho would you expect to pay for that?", ">\n\nGovernments or sponsors from the private sector ideally, I honestly don’t give a fuck. I’ve gotten many free tests from both and I’ve also bought some for like $8.", ">\n\n“Here we go again” from everyone in the comments. \nThe virus never stopped, we did.", ">\n\nVirus will always be there. Permanent restrictions are unsustainable", ">\n\n3 years later...\nIs this permanent?", ">\n\nI doubt there's anything that would make Republicans running in 2024 happier then Democrats advocating for a return to COVID restrictions.", ">\n\nRight? It’d be like the democrats fighting for gun control, or gay and trans rights, or safe and legal abortions. It would be political suicide to stand for something that Republicans don’t like!", ">\n\nMy understanding is that everything you listed is broadly popular or has at least a majority of American's in favor of it. A return to COVID restrictions is not in that category.", ">\n\nGun control isn’t even universally loved amongst the American left, as the hard left needs them for protection from the hard right they clash with, and the middle left does like having their guns taken as much as any middle right wing does, only mid left likes it", ">\n\nGallup has 57% of Americans feeling that in general gun laws should be more strict.", ">\n\nRegular people want kids to stop dying while in school. The problem is \"stricter laws\" is vague and no one can agree on what it means or give a serious proposal that would work, short of confiscation and bans, which are wildly unpopular.", ">\n\nVague political talking points is the best we’re going to get. Much as I’d love a Ross Perot style of breaking down every platform and promise, the general public doesn’t go for it. Buzz words are all we have the attention span for.", ">\n\nChina's COVID-19 surge raises odds of new coronavirus variants\nThings could get very ugly.", ">\n\nYou say this like covid hasn't been spreading rampantly through literally every country on the planet, mostly without any measures to stop the spread. Why does China get a different treatment and maybe countries should require tests from the US or Inida or Europe?", ">\n\nI agree. US was primarily the culprit of why COVID went rampant to begin with. We actively refused to enforce any sort of safety measures, just a mild suggestion of \"maybe wear a mask, if you want to, it's ok if you don't\" and \"we have vaccines if you want one, no pressure tho\". That was really our response to the world's deadliest pandemic.", ">\n\nWe actively made fun of zero covid approaches on reddit and now based on the comments on this thread we are suddenly pro “zero covid” approaches", ">\n\nEveryone finally watched contagion", ">\n\nSo far my 2023 bingo card is reading alooot of skull and crossbones, I think I might actually win at something next year, what does your score card look like?", ">\n\nWhen’s that $1200 going to hit my account?", ">\n\nI’m still living off mine from last time!", ">\n\nI’m still looking for mine", ">\n\nI’m waiting for that $600 bucks from Biden still, but that’s going right into my retirement!", ">\n\nYou dont get he meant to include any money you already received as well /s", ">\n\nI seem to remember campaign ads with $2000 checks.", ">\n\nYep they explicitly mentioned $2,000 checks.", ">\n\nMy comment was sarcasm but in retrospect there are so many neoliberals saying that word for word in all seriousness that I should and will add a sarcasm tag", ">\n\nThat's nice and all, but let's not act like we're not just ignoring our own COVID problems.", ">\n\n\n\"You don't have zero tolerance anymore? We can't tolerate that.\"\n\n- Country with 100% tolerance", ">\n\nWhy not require a negative COVID test from everyone entering the country? It’s like they don’t want COVID to be under control.", ">\n\nI think this is because China has a relatively low vaccination rate because they relied on lock downs. Now that lock downs are being ramped down, they are having a huge surge.", ">\n\nThe vaccination rate in China is considerably higher than the US (92% vs 81%). This is just another example of yellow peril", ">\n\nThank you for pointing this out. What I said above was wrong about the vaccination rate. I don’t know why exactly China is having a surge. 🤷‍♂️", ">\n\nTheir vaccination rate is high but their vaccine, SinoVac is based on old tech. It conveys effectively zero protection from variants when compared to all the other types of vaccines on the market.", ">\n\nYou guys are so full of shit. At 3 doses Sinovac gives the same protection as any western vaccine with boosters to help mitigate mutated variants. Stop spreading misinfo.", ">\n\n\"Does that thumbnail of someone getting tested read too much like 'screaming uselessly into the void'?\"\n\"I'm sure it'll be fine.\"", ">\n\nMaybe, just maybe they shouldnt have stopped testing airplane passengers in the first place... \nWe have cheap, readily available tests that take 10 minutes to complete. There’s really no reason not to test ever passenger before boarding...", ">\n\nEveryone I know who had Omicron tested negative until their symptoms cleared. It was evading the RATs, for some reason.", ">\n\nI tested positive on a rapid test two days after getting congested. Every teacher coworker of mine who bothered to test after getting cold symptoms also did. I think it's why so few parents now test their kids before sending time to school sick. They don't want to know so we all find out when we or our family members then test positive, missing work on their sick kids' behalf so they didn't have to. \nI have also heard the rapid test can give false negatives but anecdotal references don't mean much.", ">\n\nA day late and a dollar short. Same old song and dance.", ">\n\nWow, it’s like history literally repeating itself.", ">\n\nIndeed it is. I hope everyone is prepared for what’s next.", ">\n\nWe should require negative COVID tests for people to fly within the US, too.\nIt makes no difference to me if the person who infects me at LAX is coming in from China, or from Texas.", ">\n\nThere is a high chance anyone that comes from China has Covid right now. Low chance that someone inside America has.", ">\n\nNaw. China’s percent is much higher, sure, but it’s not like US infection rates are low. You can pretty much guarantee an infected American on every sold out domestic flight. The latest variants are super, super contagious, and it only takes one infected person to pose a serious risk to the other people sharing their space, and then all of their families and friends after they land. All flights should still require testing and masking at this point, or all we’ve really accomplished is pacifying the dimwits and xenophobes.\nI know at least 3 people who 100% contracted COVID while flying domestically in the US this last month - because they were isolated for the incubation period beforehand. They were masked the entire time they were in the airport and on the plane.", ">\n\nIf they were masked up and I assume vaccinated and still caught the virus then preventable measures like these aren’t that effective.", ">\n\nIs there a new strain of Covid that isn't in the U.S yet, otherwise what's the point.", ">\n\nUm testing should not ever stop.", ">\n\nAh shit here we go again", ">\n\n\"Who left the fridge open?\"", ">\n\nIt's \"just a cold\" unless it's a non-white person from another country carrying it.\n/s", ">\n\nChina implemented an ineffective vaccine and had 30m+ cases in one day. It’s specifically that gov. refusing to use effective vaccines", ">\n\nAnd the United States had effective vaccines that half the country is not willing to nor willing to wear masks, while complaining to other countries like China about their travel restrictions (from China and Hong Kong). And honestly I’m not oppose to a tighter restriction on China while they are experiencing a surge in new cases just as it did with any other countries that initially loosen covid restrictions, what makes me question this being race or politically motivated is the hypocrisy; people complained about China being oppressive when it was enforcing all the covid restrictions and when they loosen it “China doesn’t care about human lives”.\nSo what exactly do you want them to do?", ">\n\n\nto Require Negative Covid Tests for Travelers From China\n\nLuckily China is well known for its systemic unwillingness to fake or counterfeit things, so everything should be fine.\nhonest.", ">\n\nSeems purely retaliatory with no actual effectiveness.\nEnforcement is over a week away and presumably China has hit its peak already (flights being 40% positive)", ">\n\nThe rich rats are going to buy fake tests and jump ship breaking quarantine just like they did in the first wave. Cutting flights or enforcing quarantines is the only way to prevent this stuff from jumping oceans but god forbid anybody inhibit the jet setters.", ">\n\nHALF of the passengers on a plane from China going to Italy tested positive the other day (tested on arrival). Chances are most if not all of them had negative test results they could show that they took before they left. This won't do anything to stop people coming into the US while positive..we are going to have to go through this all over again and we won't have the same somewhat cooperative response in the US this time if it is a variant that evades immunity... It will get REALLY bad.", ">\n\nSeriously they know red states will just let them in and will never do another shut down again. So start dealt with out break countries this way to slow it down or corner it. But I see very very bad days ahead for China and Russia is starting to report out breaks too.", ">\n\nMust. When?", ">\n\nWe already require this from canada iirc\nEdit: i was wrong, canada requires it from us.", ">\n\nI hope we are talking PCR tests... those store-bought 15-minute ones struggle to get a positive if you have any sort of vaccination, even while symptomatic and miserable.", ">\n\nWell, a little bit of good news. I'll take it.", ">\n\nTravel should have been 100$ restricted a long time ago. Travel should be restricted to any country experiencing a COVID outbreak.", ">\n\nWonderful. Another round of Asian hating.", ">\n\nWho's hating on Asians? We're trying to stop this virus from killing people.", ">\n\nor… ban flights from china??", ">\n\nDoesn’t make sense in singling out China when covid is widespread in every single country", ">\n\nThe extent of covid in china atm is just absurd. Two weeks ago, they had 37 MILLION cases in one day. Think about that. Thats more people than a lot of countries! \nsource", ">\n\nI wonder why China has so much trouble with COVID compared to other countries, despite being so strict.", ">\n\nIt’s because they had the zero covid approaches that people are advocating for in this thread and they suddenly reversed course. Everyone in China is getting it so fast its likely the same variants quickly spreading in a population that suddenly reversed course. Having many people getting it over time and exposed to new generations of the virus (which is what happens over time) is more insidious but people here think thats fine", ">\n\nEveryone saying this is racist, do not pay attention to the world", ">\n\nIt was called racist and xenophobic when Trump did it. The left are hypocritical emotional wrecks.", ">\n\nnah trump was racist or did you forget he called it the “china virus” and subsequent hate crimes increased against adians", ">\n\nLet’s not change the subject. We’re talking about testing travelers from China here. Always trying to deflect.", ">\n\nIs that what he did, though? That and nothing else? This is a Fox News headline, but I bet there's a lot more to it. There usually is.\nFYI, Italy is also requiring testing of travelers from China at this time.\nBecause of the high number of cases in China at this time.", ">\n\nSo many dumb replies here. I am sad about where humankind is at.", ">\n\nRound two people", ">\n\nWe need to ramp up testing again at border.", ">\n\nChina trying to stop Covid…lol! Fail miserably at that, build a huge infected population, then unleash it on the world. Great job China /s", ">\n\nSell then the Moderna vaccine so they can treat themselves, ans end this debacle.", ">\n\nEven if US send Moderna and Phizer vaccine, China will not use it, because they boast about \"superior\" Chinese vaccine and don't want to lose face.\n​\nUntil they change their attitude, I suggest keeping restriction in place for PRC travelers.", ">\n\nOh definitely.", ">\n\nCCP exporting covid again.", ">\n\nPaywall - can anyone help me read the article? It sounds great in theory but why wait so long? That’s how this all started in 2020. Test now!", ">\n\nChina has been in quarantine until the protests. They have a very low of vaccinated people, so now everyone's breathing on each other's necks, squeezing in tight places and now introducing another pandemic. \nI believe a combination of everyone quarantined for too long and non vaccinated people are making this a very deadly spread.", ">\n\nTheir vaccination rate is not too bad, except among the elderly. But their vaccine was shit even before all the variants.\nThey've been trying to use lockdown to prevent spread and with the new variants that just won't work.\nSo yeah, they're pretty fucked.", ">\n\nVaccination rate is good, but the rate of people who are up to date on boosters is where they fall short even beyond just the elderly. It also doesn't help that the vaccine being used is overall less effective than the ones being used elsewhere like you said. Makes those booster shots many are lacking even more critical.", ">\n\nApparently Americans only get worried when it’s Chinese people spreading Covid as opposed to their own residents, citizens and Europeans.", ">\n\nseems xenophobic /s", ">\n\noh I'm sure conservatives will be very concerned about the \"freedoms\" of those travelers from China", ">\n\nHow's this going to work for the 75% of all our manufactured goods coming in from China?", ">\n\nThank God Biden is doing this if it was Trump they call him racist .", ">\n\nTrump admin did this and it was hailed as a great idea, because it was. And is.\nWho tf cares who the man or president is when it comes to health? Why are some people like this?", ">\n\nYou know that wasnt true.", ">\n\nWhy would they make a move that would indisputably send hundreds of thousands of infected into the wider world including those that may wind up being infected with a new variant or two? \nCan we at least conclude that China does not care about this possibility? Is that verboten to say?\nCan an axiomatically correct statement still result in a ban?", ">\n\nSounds kinda racist.", ">\n\nMakes absolute sense considering what's currently going on there. Canada should do the same. I'll even go as far as say suspend visas / entry from that part of the world temporarily, until they can get it under control", ">\n\nMakes sense. China is exploding with covid and who knows if/when the next bad variant develops there.", ">\n\nLmao Reddit enjoying their shut in lives so much I’d rather jump off the tallest bridge near me before going into lockdowns again.", ">\n\nXenophobia", ">\n\nXenophobic Biden", ">\n\nPeople are acting like Covid stopped spreading in the US… The US just decided to ignore it, that is until China gained more cases, and now it’s back to fear mongering Chinese people. I see that xenophobia is still alive and well in the US.", ">\n\nMy family and I caught covid during Thanksgiving after being careful for two years. Fortunately, we're all vaccinated so the symptoms didn't hit us too hard. We just got lax with being careful, but we'll probably be wearing our masks in crowded places just to be safe.", ">\n\nI never stopped wearing masks in the US while going to stores. The reality is we have had waves of Covid here in the US, and we have had different mutations of variants too.", ">\n\nThats racist. Biden should be ashamed of himself for allowing such bigotry and hatred towards our Chinese brethren.", ">\n\nThis applies to anyone traveling from China, not just the Chinese.", ">\n\nI wouldn’t think another country was rascist if the USA had a huge surge and temporarily suspended flights to:from the USA until the numbers came down.", ">\n\nSame biological warfare when westerners were entering into China in 2022?", ">\n\n50 Cent army, out in full force!", ">\n\nWhy are we letting anyone in from China?", ">\n\nCitizens and most permanent residents cannot be refused admission.", ">\n\nOh, here we go again.", ">\n\nKind of ironic seeing how the US has worse cases lmao", ">\n\nUS will keep up the bio attacks until the world complies with their foreign policy. Which is to keep China from becoming a threat to its hegemony", ">\n\nWeird how we can’t make our own citizens mask or test but we can make sure travelers from other places do \nWild how absolutely absurd the timeline we’re living in js", ">\n\nGood. We should not allow anyone from any country the opportunity to enter our country without proof.", ">\n\nIt’s not xenophobia, it’s (D)ifferent this time. Maybe if they let trump try this in the first place", ">\n\nThis just adds fuel to racist anti-Asian sentiment in the US. What about all the people on the plane with Chinese travelers who aren't Chinese? If the situation warrants testing of anyone, it warrants testing of everyone.", ">\n\nThis is just politics. Do we really want to pretend we don’t have an overwhelming amount of COVID cases right now in America? Everyone knows most people don’t test unless they’re very sick (which is rare now) and most who even do test use at home tests and don’t report the results. Can we really just not admit to ourselves as a nation that for the overwhelming majority of people COVID no longer poses a serious threat? Hospitalization, death and long COVID are statistically insignificant for healthy vaccinated individuals at this point I don’t see why anyone can see this as anymore than political posturing.", ">\n\nWelcome to the virtue signaling zone.", ">\n\nWell ??? Why wouldn't we check considering their outbreak is significant. Seriously was this a question ?", ">\n\nChina’s authoritarian regime locked down their country for years… this contained rhe virus until mass protests as well as international condemnations. So I believe Chinese govt is teaching their citizens a lesson. Let them roam free and allow international travel into the country. Let them get severely ill and die. Then they will acknowledge and apologize to the government. This type of reverse psychology isn’t new.", ">\n\nWe the People require a vigilant health care approach to our borders at the expense of [Pure Greed] from those who capitalize on what ails us\nWe the People demand all institutions do a readiness check \nAt which time We the People can demand a Meeting of the Continental Congress to address the state of our union, to reboot the principles and powers of the American Constitution and Bill of Rights, to re instate the neutral balance of power in the houses and senate of all levels of our current government[ one party control is not the operation of the United States of America 🇺🇸]", ">\n\nIf only we had this kind of foresight 3 years ago… we could have avoided this whole mess.", ">\n\nAnd Trump was called xenophobic when we asked for the same thing", ">\n\nExactly", ">\n\nWe should have another global 2020-tier lockdown period, imo. Work at home, way less flights active etc.", ">\n\nAnd millions of people, children, the most disadvantaged would die and suffer", ">\n\nI feel like they need to extend this restriction to all of Europe as well. It’s already spread outside of China.", ">\n\nSo I’m guessing it’s not racist now that Biden is doing it.", ">\n\nAgeeed", ">\n\nSome will get through. We may be in trouble.", ">\n\nIt's a racist policy. Why not ban people from Florida from traveling to the rest of the US? What's the difference?", ">\n\nThe scientific and medical community believe China is headed for another outbreak so this step is a must", ">\n\nCanadian here. I traveled from Toronto's Pearson International airport to the U S in November for Thanksgiving and the majority of travelers going through security were, I'd guess, Chinese carrying passports from that country, most not wearing masks. I don't really know if they were Canadian citizens or not but their passports definitely were not.", ">\n\nYet banning travel from China back in 2019-2020 was racist and xenophobic . No wonder the public has no confidence in the government.", ">\n\nI can’t believe the Biden admin actually went through this. They’re testing them just because they’re Chinese??? That is so racist smh", ">\n\nThis applies to anyone coming from China, not just Chinese citizens. It’s based on the ongoing outbreak, not their race.", ">\n\nWell it’s still racist to assume anyone from China is infected just because of where they’re coming from", ">\n\nIt’s not racist at all. “Coming from China” is not a race. They will test everyone on the plane regardless of demographics.", ">\n\nWhich is racist though. It’s the same thing Trump did by banning anyone coming from China. Why don’t they ban everyone coming from Japan? India? South Korea? Thailand? Etc? Why just the Chinese smh.", ">\n\nDamn that’s so racist #stopasianhate" ]
> I don't think that's on China. I don't remember US banning any flights abroad during any of our surges?
[ "People from China will travel through Europe and come in to America from the east coast like they did when the pandemic started. This will do nothing if all travelers aboard aren’t made to test.", ">\n\nLet's hope EU and other countries do the same.", ">\n\nI don't know if they will. Australia (for example) had some of the toughest Covid policies and they've essentially just thrown them all out the window.\nSo I don't know how willing countries are to go back to being overly concerned about Covid.", ">\n\nThey should be concerned w chinese, it's spreading like wildfire in china. If we aren't careful, they will come out w covid 20.", ">\n\nIt’s spreading everywhere including the USA. This policy has nothing to do with science or medicine. It’s just politics.", ">\n\nNo. It’s circulating like mad in a population of 1 billion people who haven’t been exposed before. This is how new variants come about. Every country should require negative Covid test for china at least until it cycles through the population", ">\n\n\nNo. It’s circulating like mad in a population of 1 billion people who haven’t been exposed before.\n\nIt's also spreading like mad in all the countries of the world including the USA.\n\nThis is how new variants come about. \n\nAnd they have been for years now.\n\nEvery country should require negative Covid test for china at least until it cycles through the population\n\nOnly for political reasons. There is no scientific or rational demand for this. \nI get it, you hate china, most americans hate china so just be honest and say what you really mean.", ">\n\nStrains are spreading in the west yes, but there are new strains in China that are spreading and we don't know if our vaccines will work with those strains. We know the Chinese vaccines have a low efficacy rate and we know they are not mRNA vaccines which allow for easier adaptation to new strains. Making travelers with a Chinese passport take Covid tests at any and all airports is not racist or even unfair - a reminder that China has been relatively hard to travel to for the last 2 years because they were locked down to foreign travel as well. This is simply good policy from a public health measure, and you not wanting to see that for what it is and instead attribute it to a nascent American hatred for China is laughable. the World Health Organization estimated close to 800 million new cases in China in the next few months, with another estimate 4 million deaths and countless new strains coming out during that period. This is about protection populations, not punishing China.", ">\n\n\nStrains are spreading in the west yes, but there are new strains in China that are spreading and we don't know if our vaccines will work with those strains.\n\nYou don't know if vaccines work against any new variant even if that variant is from a country populated with white people.\n\nWe know the Chinese vaccines have a low efficacy rate and we know they are not mRNA vaccines which allow for easier adaptation to new strains. \n\nThe vaccine doesn't adapt once inside of your body you know that right?\n\nMaking travelers with a Chinese passport take Covid tests at any and all airports is not racist or even unfair \n\nit's definitely unfair and probably racist as well.\n\nhis is simply good policy from a public health measure, a\n\nA good policy would be to require vaccinations from everybody. Think about it, you are requiring a vaccine that you said doesn't even work. How much sense does that make?\n\nattribute it to a nascent American hatred for China is laughable.\n\nNascent?\n\nThis is about protection populations, not punishing China.\n\nIt's definitely about punishing china, it's a part of the current cold war with China conducted by the USA.", ">\n\n\nYou don't know if vaccines work against any new variant even if that variant is from a country populated with white people.\n\nAll the more reason to not invite more new strains into the country. White population or otherwise has nothing to do with it, expected rise in cases in China does.\n\nThe vaccine doesn't adapt once inside of your body you know that right?\n\nYou missed the point. The point i was making was that the Chinese medical system has not even approached Covid with an mRNA vaccine, and steadfastly refused to license western vaccines. If the vaccine most readily available in China has a 50% efficacy then the population is at more risk of contracting the virus and having negative results. The infection rates are increased with each new case of BA.7 (China is currently seeing each covid patient infecting on average 18 other people represented as 1:18, whereas the in US the rate is 1:3.9). Each of these factors increases the risk of developing new strains that are vaccine resistant. \n\nit's definitely unfair and probably racist as well\n\nIs it your position that nations cannot take any prescriptive action to prevent the spread of infected persons from other countries? Again i would remind you that China has basically been locked down for the last 2 years, with severe limitations to personal freedoms themselves. This is not based on race, but rather a government's inability to contain a contagious outbreak in their own country and not wanting it to spread. \n\nA good policy would be to require vaccinations from everybody. Think about it, you are requiring a vaccine that you said doesn't even work. How much sense does that make?\n\nThat might be your definition on good policy, but it isn't mine and that isn't how the west does it. \"I\" am not requiring a vaccine that \"I\" said doesn't work - that was your suggestion not mine. Also, i said the efficacy of the Chinese vaccine is 50% - based on available information - i never said it didn't work, and i never said that it should be mandatory or required.\n\nNascent?\n\nPoor and wrong word choice on my part it seems. What i meant was ascribing the US decision to require testing of Chinese travelers to racism because you believe that the US is racist is laughable. Taking a test to prove that you are covid negative is far less onerous on a traveler than most visa requirements.\n\nIt's definitely about punishing china, it's a part of the current cold war with China conducted by the USA.\n\nCite your sources. I could point to many Chinese government policies that i could say are part of the current cold war with the US without backing it up and it would be just as credible as what you said. Opinion is not a source, and not proof. You assume that the US government is racist, that this policy is racist and yet we have had travel bans imposed on other countries, as well as testing required for travelers from other countries imposed before, and other policies and so has China. For goodness sake China has been closed to foreigners for almost 3 years, and is still closed to foreign travel until January 2023. Is that a racist policy as well?", ">\n\nHere we go again.\nThis time I think I'll learn French cooking.", ">\n\n5000 People a day will have to die before Anybody says the word Lock down in the States ever again.", ">\n\nDon’t understand why people can’t handle staying at home for two weeks when it could potentially eradicate a deadly virus. Are we that weak?", ">\n\nWe did that in large part in March 2020. And did China not spend years locking down their citizens? \nPeoples savings are gone. They need to work. \nWearing a mask would do a lot to help the issue but people aren’t willing to do that anymore.", ">\n\nWe didn't do that though. We didn't all lock down when we were supposed to. Where I work I had to go in from the very start all the way through. Most people, the majority of people, didn't stay home even if they didn't have work. Most people didn't fuck with masks or keeping a distance, and even people who weren't antivaccers didn't take the vaccine seriously for the longest time. \nWe had no fucking lock down, unless you were a well-off celebrity or comedian who wanted to talk about being locked down for content. \nIf people legit locked down, they would have taken a small hit financially, but too many people didn't do shit and prolonged everything.", ">\n\nThe things is that it doesn't take long to drain peoples saving - becuase the overwhelming majority of people have practically none. \nSo an extended lockdown was never feasible unless the government was willing to pay several trillion dollars of expenses, not just 2 or 3 times but several times over.", ">\n\nI didn't dispute any of what you said. I pointed out that most people actively contested any safety measure and most people didn't actually lock down. Any extension will almost certainly be the fault of most of those people. \nI'd gladly let them all die if it meant the few people who did take things seriously didn't have to live through a Walking Dead scenario or have to take a huge financial hit because them.", ">\n\nMost people did lock down just fine initially. After a few weeks turned into a month or more, yeah people got testy.\nAdditionally, a gigantic amount of people work in critical industries and simply cant stay home. Just keeping the lights and water on requires tens of millions of workers, plus industries like plants and refineries that simply cannot shut down without massive long-term consequences.\nReddit is full of office people who can WFH, the vast majority of people cant.", ">\n\nI was one of those who couldn't stay home. Right out of the gate most people gave up on almost all of it except when they were making a show of complying when they had to. There was a lot of cheating. I walk through a lot of different areas. The waves of patients and bodies we got at work tracked with that and became predictable.", ">\n\nWhat’s that saying that ends with ”…doomed to repeat it?”", ">\n\nWhy not just require a negative test from everyone?", ">\n\nWho would you expect to pay for that?", ">\n\nGovernments or sponsors from the private sector ideally, I honestly don’t give a fuck. I’ve gotten many free tests from both and I’ve also bought some for like $8.", ">\n\n“Here we go again” from everyone in the comments. \nThe virus never stopped, we did.", ">\n\nVirus will always be there. Permanent restrictions are unsustainable", ">\n\n3 years later...\nIs this permanent?", ">\n\nI doubt there's anything that would make Republicans running in 2024 happier then Democrats advocating for a return to COVID restrictions.", ">\n\nRight? It’d be like the democrats fighting for gun control, or gay and trans rights, or safe and legal abortions. It would be political suicide to stand for something that Republicans don’t like!", ">\n\nMy understanding is that everything you listed is broadly popular or has at least a majority of American's in favor of it. A return to COVID restrictions is not in that category.", ">\n\nGun control isn’t even universally loved amongst the American left, as the hard left needs them for protection from the hard right they clash with, and the middle left does like having their guns taken as much as any middle right wing does, only mid left likes it", ">\n\nGallup has 57% of Americans feeling that in general gun laws should be more strict.", ">\n\nRegular people want kids to stop dying while in school. The problem is \"stricter laws\" is vague and no one can agree on what it means or give a serious proposal that would work, short of confiscation and bans, which are wildly unpopular.", ">\n\nVague political talking points is the best we’re going to get. Much as I’d love a Ross Perot style of breaking down every platform and promise, the general public doesn’t go for it. Buzz words are all we have the attention span for.", ">\n\nChina's COVID-19 surge raises odds of new coronavirus variants\nThings could get very ugly.", ">\n\nYou say this like covid hasn't been spreading rampantly through literally every country on the planet, mostly without any measures to stop the spread. Why does China get a different treatment and maybe countries should require tests from the US or Inida or Europe?", ">\n\nI agree. US was primarily the culprit of why COVID went rampant to begin with. We actively refused to enforce any sort of safety measures, just a mild suggestion of \"maybe wear a mask, if you want to, it's ok if you don't\" and \"we have vaccines if you want one, no pressure tho\". That was really our response to the world's deadliest pandemic.", ">\n\nWe actively made fun of zero covid approaches on reddit and now based on the comments on this thread we are suddenly pro “zero covid” approaches", ">\n\nEveryone finally watched contagion", ">\n\nSo far my 2023 bingo card is reading alooot of skull and crossbones, I think I might actually win at something next year, what does your score card look like?", ">\n\nWhen’s that $1200 going to hit my account?", ">\n\nI’m still living off mine from last time!", ">\n\nI’m still looking for mine", ">\n\nI’m waiting for that $600 bucks from Biden still, but that’s going right into my retirement!", ">\n\nYou dont get he meant to include any money you already received as well /s", ">\n\nI seem to remember campaign ads with $2000 checks.", ">\n\nYep they explicitly mentioned $2,000 checks.", ">\n\nMy comment was sarcasm but in retrospect there are so many neoliberals saying that word for word in all seriousness that I should and will add a sarcasm tag", ">\n\nThat's nice and all, but let's not act like we're not just ignoring our own COVID problems.", ">\n\n\n\"You don't have zero tolerance anymore? We can't tolerate that.\"\n\n- Country with 100% tolerance", ">\n\nWhy not require a negative COVID test from everyone entering the country? It’s like they don’t want COVID to be under control.", ">\n\nI think this is because China has a relatively low vaccination rate because they relied on lock downs. Now that lock downs are being ramped down, they are having a huge surge.", ">\n\nThe vaccination rate in China is considerably higher than the US (92% vs 81%). This is just another example of yellow peril", ">\n\nThank you for pointing this out. What I said above was wrong about the vaccination rate. I don’t know why exactly China is having a surge. 🤷‍♂️", ">\n\nTheir vaccination rate is high but their vaccine, SinoVac is based on old tech. It conveys effectively zero protection from variants when compared to all the other types of vaccines on the market.", ">\n\nYou guys are so full of shit. At 3 doses Sinovac gives the same protection as any western vaccine with boosters to help mitigate mutated variants. Stop spreading misinfo.", ">\n\n\"Does that thumbnail of someone getting tested read too much like 'screaming uselessly into the void'?\"\n\"I'm sure it'll be fine.\"", ">\n\nMaybe, just maybe they shouldnt have stopped testing airplane passengers in the first place... \nWe have cheap, readily available tests that take 10 minutes to complete. There’s really no reason not to test ever passenger before boarding...", ">\n\nEveryone I know who had Omicron tested negative until their symptoms cleared. It was evading the RATs, for some reason.", ">\n\nI tested positive on a rapid test two days after getting congested. Every teacher coworker of mine who bothered to test after getting cold symptoms also did. I think it's why so few parents now test their kids before sending time to school sick. They don't want to know so we all find out when we or our family members then test positive, missing work on their sick kids' behalf so they didn't have to. \nI have also heard the rapid test can give false negatives but anecdotal references don't mean much.", ">\n\nA day late and a dollar short. Same old song and dance.", ">\n\nWow, it’s like history literally repeating itself.", ">\n\nIndeed it is. I hope everyone is prepared for what’s next.", ">\n\nWe should require negative COVID tests for people to fly within the US, too.\nIt makes no difference to me if the person who infects me at LAX is coming in from China, or from Texas.", ">\n\nThere is a high chance anyone that comes from China has Covid right now. Low chance that someone inside America has.", ">\n\nNaw. China’s percent is much higher, sure, but it’s not like US infection rates are low. You can pretty much guarantee an infected American on every sold out domestic flight. The latest variants are super, super contagious, and it only takes one infected person to pose a serious risk to the other people sharing their space, and then all of their families and friends after they land. All flights should still require testing and masking at this point, or all we’ve really accomplished is pacifying the dimwits and xenophobes.\nI know at least 3 people who 100% contracted COVID while flying domestically in the US this last month - because they were isolated for the incubation period beforehand. They were masked the entire time they were in the airport and on the plane.", ">\n\nIf they were masked up and I assume vaccinated and still caught the virus then preventable measures like these aren’t that effective.", ">\n\nIs there a new strain of Covid that isn't in the U.S yet, otherwise what's the point.", ">\n\nUm testing should not ever stop.", ">\n\nAh shit here we go again", ">\n\n\"Who left the fridge open?\"", ">\n\nIt's \"just a cold\" unless it's a non-white person from another country carrying it.\n/s", ">\n\nChina implemented an ineffective vaccine and had 30m+ cases in one day. It’s specifically that gov. refusing to use effective vaccines", ">\n\nAnd the United States had effective vaccines that half the country is not willing to nor willing to wear masks, while complaining to other countries like China about their travel restrictions (from China and Hong Kong). And honestly I’m not oppose to a tighter restriction on China while they are experiencing a surge in new cases just as it did with any other countries that initially loosen covid restrictions, what makes me question this being race or politically motivated is the hypocrisy; people complained about China being oppressive when it was enforcing all the covid restrictions and when they loosen it “China doesn’t care about human lives”.\nSo what exactly do you want them to do?", ">\n\n\nto Require Negative Covid Tests for Travelers From China\n\nLuckily China is well known for its systemic unwillingness to fake or counterfeit things, so everything should be fine.\nhonest.", ">\n\nSeems purely retaliatory with no actual effectiveness.\nEnforcement is over a week away and presumably China has hit its peak already (flights being 40% positive)", ">\n\nThe rich rats are going to buy fake tests and jump ship breaking quarantine just like they did in the first wave. Cutting flights or enforcing quarantines is the only way to prevent this stuff from jumping oceans but god forbid anybody inhibit the jet setters.", ">\n\nHALF of the passengers on a plane from China going to Italy tested positive the other day (tested on arrival). Chances are most if not all of them had negative test results they could show that they took before they left. This won't do anything to stop people coming into the US while positive..we are going to have to go through this all over again and we won't have the same somewhat cooperative response in the US this time if it is a variant that evades immunity... It will get REALLY bad.", ">\n\nSeriously they know red states will just let them in and will never do another shut down again. So start dealt with out break countries this way to slow it down or corner it. But I see very very bad days ahead for China and Russia is starting to report out breaks too.", ">\n\nMust. When?", ">\n\nWe already require this from canada iirc\nEdit: i was wrong, canada requires it from us.", ">\n\nI hope we are talking PCR tests... those store-bought 15-minute ones struggle to get a positive if you have any sort of vaccination, even while symptomatic and miserable.", ">\n\nWell, a little bit of good news. I'll take it.", ">\n\nTravel should have been 100$ restricted a long time ago. Travel should be restricted to any country experiencing a COVID outbreak.", ">\n\nWonderful. Another round of Asian hating.", ">\n\nWho's hating on Asians? We're trying to stop this virus from killing people.", ">\n\nor… ban flights from china??", ">\n\nDoesn’t make sense in singling out China when covid is widespread in every single country", ">\n\nThe extent of covid in china atm is just absurd. Two weeks ago, they had 37 MILLION cases in one day. Think about that. Thats more people than a lot of countries! \nsource", ">\n\nI wonder why China has so much trouble with COVID compared to other countries, despite being so strict.", ">\n\nIt’s because they had the zero covid approaches that people are advocating for in this thread and they suddenly reversed course. Everyone in China is getting it so fast its likely the same variants quickly spreading in a population that suddenly reversed course. Having many people getting it over time and exposed to new generations of the virus (which is what happens over time) is more insidious but people here think thats fine", ">\n\nEveryone saying this is racist, do not pay attention to the world", ">\n\nIt was called racist and xenophobic when Trump did it. The left are hypocritical emotional wrecks.", ">\n\nnah trump was racist or did you forget he called it the “china virus” and subsequent hate crimes increased against adians", ">\n\nLet’s not change the subject. We’re talking about testing travelers from China here. Always trying to deflect.", ">\n\nIs that what he did, though? That and nothing else? This is a Fox News headline, but I bet there's a lot more to it. There usually is.\nFYI, Italy is also requiring testing of travelers from China at this time.\nBecause of the high number of cases in China at this time.", ">\n\nSo many dumb replies here. I am sad about where humankind is at.", ">\n\nRound two people", ">\n\nWe need to ramp up testing again at border.", ">\n\nChina trying to stop Covid…lol! Fail miserably at that, build a huge infected population, then unleash it on the world. Great job China /s", ">\n\nSell then the Moderna vaccine so they can treat themselves, ans end this debacle.", ">\n\nEven if US send Moderna and Phizer vaccine, China will not use it, because they boast about \"superior\" Chinese vaccine and don't want to lose face.\n​\nUntil they change their attitude, I suggest keeping restriction in place for PRC travelers.", ">\n\nOh definitely.", ">\n\nCCP exporting covid again.", ">\n\nPaywall - can anyone help me read the article? It sounds great in theory but why wait so long? That’s how this all started in 2020. Test now!", ">\n\nChina has been in quarantine until the protests. They have a very low of vaccinated people, so now everyone's breathing on each other's necks, squeezing in tight places and now introducing another pandemic. \nI believe a combination of everyone quarantined for too long and non vaccinated people are making this a very deadly spread.", ">\n\nTheir vaccination rate is not too bad, except among the elderly. But their vaccine was shit even before all the variants.\nThey've been trying to use lockdown to prevent spread and with the new variants that just won't work.\nSo yeah, they're pretty fucked.", ">\n\nVaccination rate is good, but the rate of people who are up to date on boosters is where they fall short even beyond just the elderly. It also doesn't help that the vaccine being used is overall less effective than the ones being used elsewhere like you said. Makes those booster shots many are lacking even more critical.", ">\n\nApparently Americans only get worried when it’s Chinese people spreading Covid as opposed to their own residents, citizens and Europeans.", ">\n\nseems xenophobic /s", ">\n\noh I'm sure conservatives will be very concerned about the \"freedoms\" of those travelers from China", ">\n\nHow's this going to work for the 75% of all our manufactured goods coming in from China?", ">\n\nThank God Biden is doing this if it was Trump they call him racist .", ">\n\nTrump admin did this and it was hailed as a great idea, because it was. And is.\nWho tf cares who the man or president is when it comes to health? Why are some people like this?", ">\n\nYou know that wasnt true.", ">\n\nWhy would they make a move that would indisputably send hundreds of thousands of infected into the wider world including those that may wind up being infected with a new variant or two? \nCan we at least conclude that China does not care about this possibility? Is that verboten to say?\nCan an axiomatically correct statement still result in a ban?", ">\n\nSounds kinda racist.", ">\n\nMakes absolute sense considering what's currently going on there. Canada should do the same. I'll even go as far as say suspend visas / entry from that part of the world temporarily, until they can get it under control", ">\n\nMakes sense. China is exploding with covid and who knows if/when the next bad variant develops there.", ">\n\nLmao Reddit enjoying their shut in lives so much I’d rather jump off the tallest bridge near me before going into lockdowns again.", ">\n\nXenophobia", ">\n\nXenophobic Biden", ">\n\nPeople are acting like Covid stopped spreading in the US… The US just decided to ignore it, that is until China gained more cases, and now it’s back to fear mongering Chinese people. I see that xenophobia is still alive and well in the US.", ">\n\nMy family and I caught covid during Thanksgiving after being careful for two years. Fortunately, we're all vaccinated so the symptoms didn't hit us too hard. We just got lax with being careful, but we'll probably be wearing our masks in crowded places just to be safe.", ">\n\nI never stopped wearing masks in the US while going to stores. The reality is we have had waves of Covid here in the US, and we have had different mutations of variants too.", ">\n\nThats racist. Biden should be ashamed of himself for allowing such bigotry and hatred towards our Chinese brethren.", ">\n\nThis applies to anyone traveling from China, not just the Chinese.", ">\n\nI wouldn’t think another country was rascist if the USA had a huge surge and temporarily suspended flights to:from the USA until the numbers came down.", ">\n\nSame biological warfare when westerners were entering into China in 2022?", ">\n\n50 Cent army, out in full force!", ">\n\nWhy are we letting anyone in from China?", ">\n\nCitizens and most permanent residents cannot be refused admission.", ">\n\nOh, here we go again.", ">\n\nKind of ironic seeing how the US has worse cases lmao", ">\n\nUS will keep up the bio attacks until the world complies with their foreign policy. Which is to keep China from becoming a threat to its hegemony", ">\n\nWeird how we can’t make our own citizens mask or test but we can make sure travelers from other places do \nWild how absolutely absurd the timeline we’re living in js", ">\n\nGood. We should not allow anyone from any country the opportunity to enter our country without proof.", ">\n\nIt’s not xenophobia, it’s (D)ifferent this time. Maybe if they let trump try this in the first place", ">\n\nThis just adds fuel to racist anti-Asian sentiment in the US. What about all the people on the plane with Chinese travelers who aren't Chinese? If the situation warrants testing of anyone, it warrants testing of everyone.", ">\n\nThis is just politics. Do we really want to pretend we don’t have an overwhelming amount of COVID cases right now in America? Everyone knows most people don’t test unless they’re very sick (which is rare now) and most who even do test use at home tests and don’t report the results. Can we really just not admit to ourselves as a nation that for the overwhelming majority of people COVID no longer poses a serious threat? Hospitalization, death and long COVID are statistically insignificant for healthy vaccinated individuals at this point I don’t see why anyone can see this as anymore than political posturing.", ">\n\nWelcome to the virtue signaling zone.", ">\n\nWell ??? Why wouldn't we check considering their outbreak is significant. Seriously was this a question ?", ">\n\nChina’s authoritarian regime locked down their country for years… this contained rhe virus until mass protests as well as international condemnations. So I believe Chinese govt is teaching their citizens a lesson. Let them roam free and allow international travel into the country. Let them get severely ill and die. Then they will acknowledge and apologize to the government. This type of reverse psychology isn’t new.", ">\n\nWe the People require a vigilant health care approach to our borders at the expense of [Pure Greed] from those who capitalize on what ails us\nWe the People demand all institutions do a readiness check \nAt which time We the People can demand a Meeting of the Continental Congress to address the state of our union, to reboot the principles and powers of the American Constitution and Bill of Rights, to re instate the neutral balance of power in the houses and senate of all levels of our current government[ one party control is not the operation of the United States of America 🇺🇸]", ">\n\nIf only we had this kind of foresight 3 years ago… we could have avoided this whole mess.", ">\n\nAnd Trump was called xenophobic when we asked for the same thing", ">\n\nExactly", ">\n\nWe should have another global 2020-tier lockdown period, imo. Work at home, way less flights active etc.", ">\n\nAnd millions of people, children, the most disadvantaged would die and suffer", ">\n\nI feel like they need to extend this restriction to all of Europe as well. It’s already spread outside of China.", ">\n\nSo I’m guessing it’s not racist now that Biden is doing it.", ">\n\nAgeeed", ">\n\nSome will get through. We may be in trouble.", ">\n\nIt's a racist policy. Why not ban people from Florida from traveling to the rest of the US? What's the difference?", ">\n\nThe scientific and medical community believe China is headed for another outbreak so this step is a must", ">\n\nCanadian here. I traveled from Toronto's Pearson International airport to the U S in November for Thanksgiving and the majority of travelers going through security were, I'd guess, Chinese carrying passports from that country, most not wearing masks. I don't really know if they were Canadian citizens or not but their passports definitely were not.", ">\n\nYet banning travel from China back in 2019-2020 was racist and xenophobic . No wonder the public has no confidence in the government.", ">\n\nI can’t believe the Biden admin actually went through this. They’re testing them just because they’re Chinese??? That is so racist smh", ">\n\nThis applies to anyone coming from China, not just Chinese citizens. It’s based on the ongoing outbreak, not their race.", ">\n\nWell it’s still racist to assume anyone from China is infected just because of where they’re coming from", ">\n\nIt’s not racist at all. “Coming from China” is not a race. They will test everyone on the plane regardless of demographics.", ">\n\nWhich is racist though. It’s the same thing Trump did by banning anyone coming from China. Why don’t they ban everyone coming from Japan? India? South Korea? Thailand? Etc? Why just the Chinese smh.", ">\n\nDamn that’s so racist #stopasianhate", ">\n\n2019 into 2020 all over again. \nAt least China has a strict ban on flights...\nOh" ]
> I also don't remember the US being the origin of covid. China has a special responsibility as a nation that fucked up and let covid grow out of control and escape its boundaries to not open up the export of viral vectors at the height of their crisis. CCP incompetence and mendacity has done enough already that they need to go above and beyond to keep shit as much as possible within their own borders.
[ "People from China will travel through Europe and come in to America from the east coast like they did when the pandemic started. This will do nothing if all travelers aboard aren’t made to test.", ">\n\nLet's hope EU and other countries do the same.", ">\n\nI don't know if they will. Australia (for example) had some of the toughest Covid policies and they've essentially just thrown them all out the window.\nSo I don't know how willing countries are to go back to being overly concerned about Covid.", ">\n\nThey should be concerned w chinese, it's spreading like wildfire in china. If we aren't careful, they will come out w covid 20.", ">\n\nIt’s spreading everywhere including the USA. This policy has nothing to do with science or medicine. It’s just politics.", ">\n\nNo. It’s circulating like mad in a population of 1 billion people who haven’t been exposed before. This is how new variants come about. Every country should require negative Covid test for china at least until it cycles through the population", ">\n\n\nNo. It’s circulating like mad in a population of 1 billion people who haven’t been exposed before.\n\nIt's also spreading like mad in all the countries of the world including the USA.\n\nThis is how new variants come about. \n\nAnd they have been for years now.\n\nEvery country should require negative Covid test for china at least until it cycles through the population\n\nOnly for political reasons. There is no scientific or rational demand for this. \nI get it, you hate china, most americans hate china so just be honest and say what you really mean.", ">\n\nStrains are spreading in the west yes, but there are new strains in China that are spreading and we don't know if our vaccines will work with those strains. We know the Chinese vaccines have a low efficacy rate and we know they are not mRNA vaccines which allow for easier adaptation to new strains. Making travelers with a Chinese passport take Covid tests at any and all airports is not racist or even unfair - a reminder that China has been relatively hard to travel to for the last 2 years because they were locked down to foreign travel as well. This is simply good policy from a public health measure, and you not wanting to see that for what it is and instead attribute it to a nascent American hatred for China is laughable. the World Health Organization estimated close to 800 million new cases in China in the next few months, with another estimate 4 million deaths and countless new strains coming out during that period. This is about protection populations, not punishing China.", ">\n\n\nStrains are spreading in the west yes, but there are new strains in China that are spreading and we don't know if our vaccines will work with those strains.\n\nYou don't know if vaccines work against any new variant even if that variant is from a country populated with white people.\n\nWe know the Chinese vaccines have a low efficacy rate and we know they are not mRNA vaccines which allow for easier adaptation to new strains. \n\nThe vaccine doesn't adapt once inside of your body you know that right?\n\nMaking travelers with a Chinese passport take Covid tests at any and all airports is not racist or even unfair \n\nit's definitely unfair and probably racist as well.\n\nhis is simply good policy from a public health measure, a\n\nA good policy would be to require vaccinations from everybody. Think about it, you are requiring a vaccine that you said doesn't even work. How much sense does that make?\n\nattribute it to a nascent American hatred for China is laughable.\n\nNascent?\n\nThis is about protection populations, not punishing China.\n\nIt's definitely about punishing china, it's a part of the current cold war with China conducted by the USA.", ">\n\n\nYou don't know if vaccines work against any new variant even if that variant is from a country populated with white people.\n\nAll the more reason to not invite more new strains into the country. White population or otherwise has nothing to do with it, expected rise in cases in China does.\n\nThe vaccine doesn't adapt once inside of your body you know that right?\n\nYou missed the point. The point i was making was that the Chinese medical system has not even approached Covid with an mRNA vaccine, and steadfastly refused to license western vaccines. If the vaccine most readily available in China has a 50% efficacy then the population is at more risk of contracting the virus and having negative results. The infection rates are increased with each new case of BA.7 (China is currently seeing each covid patient infecting on average 18 other people represented as 1:18, whereas the in US the rate is 1:3.9). Each of these factors increases the risk of developing new strains that are vaccine resistant. \n\nit's definitely unfair and probably racist as well\n\nIs it your position that nations cannot take any prescriptive action to prevent the spread of infected persons from other countries? Again i would remind you that China has basically been locked down for the last 2 years, with severe limitations to personal freedoms themselves. This is not based on race, but rather a government's inability to contain a contagious outbreak in their own country and not wanting it to spread. \n\nA good policy would be to require vaccinations from everybody. Think about it, you are requiring a vaccine that you said doesn't even work. How much sense does that make?\n\nThat might be your definition on good policy, but it isn't mine and that isn't how the west does it. \"I\" am not requiring a vaccine that \"I\" said doesn't work - that was your suggestion not mine. Also, i said the efficacy of the Chinese vaccine is 50% - based on available information - i never said it didn't work, and i never said that it should be mandatory or required.\n\nNascent?\n\nPoor and wrong word choice on my part it seems. What i meant was ascribing the US decision to require testing of Chinese travelers to racism because you believe that the US is racist is laughable. Taking a test to prove that you are covid negative is far less onerous on a traveler than most visa requirements.\n\nIt's definitely about punishing china, it's a part of the current cold war with China conducted by the USA.\n\nCite your sources. I could point to many Chinese government policies that i could say are part of the current cold war with the US without backing it up and it would be just as credible as what you said. Opinion is not a source, and not proof. You assume that the US government is racist, that this policy is racist and yet we have had travel bans imposed on other countries, as well as testing required for travelers from other countries imposed before, and other policies and so has China. For goodness sake China has been closed to foreigners for almost 3 years, and is still closed to foreign travel until January 2023. Is that a racist policy as well?", ">\n\nHere we go again.\nThis time I think I'll learn French cooking.", ">\n\n5000 People a day will have to die before Anybody says the word Lock down in the States ever again.", ">\n\nDon’t understand why people can’t handle staying at home for two weeks when it could potentially eradicate a deadly virus. Are we that weak?", ">\n\nWe did that in large part in March 2020. And did China not spend years locking down their citizens? \nPeoples savings are gone. They need to work. \nWearing a mask would do a lot to help the issue but people aren’t willing to do that anymore.", ">\n\nWe didn't do that though. We didn't all lock down when we were supposed to. Where I work I had to go in from the very start all the way through. Most people, the majority of people, didn't stay home even if they didn't have work. Most people didn't fuck with masks or keeping a distance, and even people who weren't antivaccers didn't take the vaccine seriously for the longest time. \nWe had no fucking lock down, unless you were a well-off celebrity or comedian who wanted to talk about being locked down for content. \nIf people legit locked down, they would have taken a small hit financially, but too many people didn't do shit and prolonged everything.", ">\n\nThe things is that it doesn't take long to drain peoples saving - becuase the overwhelming majority of people have practically none. \nSo an extended lockdown was never feasible unless the government was willing to pay several trillion dollars of expenses, not just 2 or 3 times but several times over.", ">\n\nI didn't dispute any of what you said. I pointed out that most people actively contested any safety measure and most people didn't actually lock down. Any extension will almost certainly be the fault of most of those people. \nI'd gladly let them all die if it meant the few people who did take things seriously didn't have to live through a Walking Dead scenario or have to take a huge financial hit because them.", ">\n\nMost people did lock down just fine initially. After a few weeks turned into a month or more, yeah people got testy.\nAdditionally, a gigantic amount of people work in critical industries and simply cant stay home. Just keeping the lights and water on requires tens of millions of workers, plus industries like plants and refineries that simply cannot shut down without massive long-term consequences.\nReddit is full of office people who can WFH, the vast majority of people cant.", ">\n\nI was one of those who couldn't stay home. Right out of the gate most people gave up on almost all of it except when they were making a show of complying when they had to. There was a lot of cheating. I walk through a lot of different areas. The waves of patients and bodies we got at work tracked with that and became predictable.", ">\n\nWhat’s that saying that ends with ”…doomed to repeat it?”", ">\n\nWhy not just require a negative test from everyone?", ">\n\nWho would you expect to pay for that?", ">\n\nGovernments or sponsors from the private sector ideally, I honestly don’t give a fuck. I’ve gotten many free tests from both and I’ve also bought some for like $8.", ">\n\n“Here we go again” from everyone in the comments. \nThe virus never stopped, we did.", ">\n\nVirus will always be there. Permanent restrictions are unsustainable", ">\n\n3 years later...\nIs this permanent?", ">\n\nI doubt there's anything that would make Republicans running in 2024 happier then Democrats advocating for a return to COVID restrictions.", ">\n\nRight? It’d be like the democrats fighting for gun control, or gay and trans rights, or safe and legal abortions. It would be political suicide to stand for something that Republicans don’t like!", ">\n\nMy understanding is that everything you listed is broadly popular or has at least a majority of American's in favor of it. A return to COVID restrictions is not in that category.", ">\n\nGun control isn’t even universally loved amongst the American left, as the hard left needs them for protection from the hard right they clash with, and the middle left does like having their guns taken as much as any middle right wing does, only mid left likes it", ">\n\nGallup has 57% of Americans feeling that in general gun laws should be more strict.", ">\n\nRegular people want kids to stop dying while in school. The problem is \"stricter laws\" is vague and no one can agree on what it means or give a serious proposal that would work, short of confiscation and bans, which are wildly unpopular.", ">\n\nVague political talking points is the best we’re going to get. Much as I’d love a Ross Perot style of breaking down every platform and promise, the general public doesn’t go for it. Buzz words are all we have the attention span for.", ">\n\nChina's COVID-19 surge raises odds of new coronavirus variants\nThings could get very ugly.", ">\n\nYou say this like covid hasn't been spreading rampantly through literally every country on the planet, mostly without any measures to stop the spread. Why does China get a different treatment and maybe countries should require tests from the US or Inida or Europe?", ">\n\nI agree. US was primarily the culprit of why COVID went rampant to begin with. We actively refused to enforce any sort of safety measures, just a mild suggestion of \"maybe wear a mask, if you want to, it's ok if you don't\" and \"we have vaccines if you want one, no pressure tho\". That was really our response to the world's deadliest pandemic.", ">\n\nWe actively made fun of zero covid approaches on reddit and now based on the comments on this thread we are suddenly pro “zero covid” approaches", ">\n\nEveryone finally watched contagion", ">\n\nSo far my 2023 bingo card is reading alooot of skull and crossbones, I think I might actually win at something next year, what does your score card look like?", ">\n\nWhen’s that $1200 going to hit my account?", ">\n\nI’m still living off mine from last time!", ">\n\nI’m still looking for mine", ">\n\nI’m waiting for that $600 bucks from Biden still, but that’s going right into my retirement!", ">\n\nYou dont get he meant to include any money you already received as well /s", ">\n\nI seem to remember campaign ads with $2000 checks.", ">\n\nYep they explicitly mentioned $2,000 checks.", ">\n\nMy comment was sarcasm but in retrospect there are so many neoliberals saying that word for word in all seriousness that I should and will add a sarcasm tag", ">\n\nThat's nice and all, but let's not act like we're not just ignoring our own COVID problems.", ">\n\n\n\"You don't have zero tolerance anymore? We can't tolerate that.\"\n\n- Country with 100% tolerance", ">\n\nWhy not require a negative COVID test from everyone entering the country? It’s like they don’t want COVID to be under control.", ">\n\nI think this is because China has a relatively low vaccination rate because they relied on lock downs. Now that lock downs are being ramped down, they are having a huge surge.", ">\n\nThe vaccination rate in China is considerably higher than the US (92% vs 81%). This is just another example of yellow peril", ">\n\nThank you for pointing this out. What I said above was wrong about the vaccination rate. I don’t know why exactly China is having a surge. 🤷‍♂️", ">\n\nTheir vaccination rate is high but their vaccine, SinoVac is based on old tech. It conveys effectively zero protection from variants when compared to all the other types of vaccines on the market.", ">\n\nYou guys are so full of shit. At 3 doses Sinovac gives the same protection as any western vaccine with boosters to help mitigate mutated variants. Stop spreading misinfo.", ">\n\n\"Does that thumbnail of someone getting tested read too much like 'screaming uselessly into the void'?\"\n\"I'm sure it'll be fine.\"", ">\n\nMaybe, just maybe they shouldnt have stopped testing airplane passengers in the first place... \nWe have cheap, readily available tests that take 10 minutes to complete. There’s really no reason not to test ever passenger before boarding...", ">\n\nEveryone I know who had Omicron tested negative until their symptoms cleared. It was evading the RATs, for some reason.", ">\n\nI tested positive on a rapid test two days after getting congested. Every teacher coworker of mine who bothered to test after getting cold symptoms also did. I think it's why so few parents now test their kids before sending time to school sick. They don't want to know so we all find out when we or our family members then test positive, missing work on their sick kids' behalf so they didn't have to. \nI have also heard the rapid test can give false negatives but anecdotal references don't mean much.", ">\n\nA day late and a dollar short. Same old song and dance.", ">\n\nWow, it’s like history literally repeating itself.", ">\n\nIndeed it is. I hope everyone is prepared for what’s next.", ">\n\nWe should require negative COVID tests for people to fly within the US, too.\nIt makes no difference to me if the person who infects me at LAX is coming in from China, or from Texas.", ">\n\nThere is a high chance anyone that comes from China has Covid right now. Low chance that someone inside America has.", ">\n\nNaw. China’s percent is much higher, sure, but it’s not like US infection rates are low. You can pretty much guarantee an infected American on every sold out domestic flight. The latest variants are super, super contagious, and it only takes one infected person to pose a serious risk to the other people sharing their space, and then all of their families and friends after they land. All flights should still require testing and masking at this point, or all we’ve really accomplished is pacifying the dimwits and xenophobes.\nI know at least 3 people who 100% contracted COVID while flying domestically in the US this last month - because they were isolated for the incubation period beforehand. They were masked the entire time they were in the airport and on the plane.", ">\n\nIf they were masked up and I assume vaccinated and still caught the virus then preventable measures like these aren’t that effective.", ">\n\nIs there a new strain of Covid that isn't in the U.S yet, otherwise what's the point.", ">\n\nUm testing should not ever stop.", ">\n\nAh shit here we go again", ">\n\n\"Who left the fridge open?\"", ">\n\nIt's \"just a cold\" unless it's a non-white person from another country carrying it.\n/s", ">\n\nChina implemented an ineffective vaccine and had 30m+ cases in one day. It’s specifically that gov. refusing to use effective vaccines", ">\n\nAnd the United States had effective vaccines that half the country is not willing to nor willing to wear masks, while complaining to other countries like China about their travel restrictions (from China and Hong Kong). And honestly I’m not oppose to a tighter restriction on China while they are experiencing a surge in new cases just as it did with any other countries that initially loosen covid restrictions, what makes me question this being race or politically motivated is the hypocrisy; people complained about China being oppressive when it was enforcing all the covid restrictions and when they loosen it “China doesn’t care about human lives”.\nSo what exactly do you want them to do?", ">\n\n\nto Require Negative Covid Tests for Travelers From China\n\nLuckily China is well known for its systemic unwillingness to fake or counterfeit things, so everything should be fine.\nhonest.", ">\n\nSeems purely retaliatory with no actual effectiveness.\nEnforcement is over a week away and presumably China has hit its peak already (flights being 40% positive)", ">\n\nThe rich rats are going to buy fake tests and jump ship breaking quarantine just like they did in the first wave. Cutting flights or enforcing quarantines is the only way to prevent this stuff from jumping oceans but god forbid anybody inhibit the jet setters.", ">\n\nHALF of the passengers on a plane from China going to Italy tested positive the other day (tested on arrival). Chances are most if not all of them had negative test results they could show that they took before they left. This won't do anything to stop people coming into the US while positive..we are going to have to go through this all over again and we won't have the same somewhat cooperative response in the US this time if it is a variant that evades immunity... It will get REALLY bad.", ">\n\nSeriously they know red states will just let them in and will never do another shut down again. So start dealt with out break countries this way to slow it down or corner it. But I see very very bad days ahead for China and Russia is starting to report out breaks too.", ">\n\nMust. When?", ">\n\nWe already require this from canada iirc\nEdit: i was wrong, canada requires it from us.", ">\n\nI hope we are talking PCR tests... those store-bought 15-minute ones struggle to get a positive if you have any sort of vaccination, even while symptomatic and miserable.", ">\n\nWell, a little bit of good news. I'll take it.", ">\n\nTravel should have been 100$ restricted a long time ago. Travel should be restricted to any country experiencing a COVID outbreak.", ">\n\nWonderful. Another round of Asian hating.", ">\n\nWho's hating on Asians? We're trying to stop this virus from killing people.", ">\n\nor… ban flights from china??", ">\n\nDoesn’t make sense in singling out China when covid is widespread in every single country", ">\n\nThe extent of covid in china atm is just absurd. Two weeks ago, they had 37 MILLION cases in one day. Think about that. Thats more people than a lot of countries! \nsource", ">\n\nI wonder why China has so much trouble with COVID compared to other countries, despite being so strict.", ">\n\nIt’s because they had the zero covid approaches that people are advocating for in this thread and they suddenly reversed course. Everyone in China is getting it so fast its likely the same variants quickly spreading in a population that suddenly reversed course. Having many people getting it over time and exposed to new generations of the virus (which is what happens over time) is more insidious but people here think thats fine", ">\n\nEveryone saying this is racist, do not pay attention to the world", ">\n\nIt was called racist and xenophobic when Trump did it. The left are hypocritical emotional wrecks.", ">\n\nnah trump was racist or did you forget he called it the “china virus” and subsequent hate crimes increased against adians", ">\n\nLet’s not change the subject. We’re talking about testing travelers from China here. Always trying to deflect.", ">\n\nIs that what he did, though? That and nothing else? This is a Fox News headline, but I bet there's a lot more to it. There usually is.\nFYI, Italy is also requiring testing of travelers from China at this time.\nBecause of the high number of cases in China at this time.", ">\n\nSo many dumb replies here. I am sad about where humankind is at.", ">\n\nRound two people", ">\n\nWe need to ramp up testing again at border.", ">\n\nChina trying to stop Covid…lol! Fail miserably at that, build a huge infected population, then unleash it on the world. Great job China /s", ">\n\nSell then the Moderna vaccine so they can treat themselves, ans end this debacle.", ">\n\nEven if US send Moderna and Phizer vaccine, China will not use it, because they boast about \"superior\" Chinese vaccine and don't want to lose face.\n​\nUntil they change their attitude, I suggest keeping restriction in place for PRC travelers.", ">\n\nOh definitely.", ">\n\nCCP exporting covid again.", ">\n\nPaywall - can anyone help me read the article? It sounds great in theory but why wait so long? That’s how this all started in 2020. Test now!", ">\n\nChina has been in quarantine until the protests. They have a very low of vaccinated people, so now everyone's breathing on each other's necks, squeezing in tight places and now introducing another pandemic. \nI believe a combination of everyone quarantined for too long and non vaccinated people are making this a very deadly spread.", ">\n\nTheir vaccination rate is not too bad, except among the elderly. But their vaccine was shit even before all the variants.\nThey've been trying to use lockdown to prevent spread and with the new variants that just won't work.\nSo yeah, they're pretty fucked.", ">\n\nVaccination rate is good, but the rate of people who are up to date on boosters is where they fall short even beyond just the elderly. It also doesn't help that the vaccine being used is overall less effective than the ones being used elsewhere like you said. Makes those booster shots many are lacking even more critical.", ">\n\nApparently Americans only get worried when it’s Chinese people spreading Covid as opposed to their own residents, citizens and Europeans.", ">\n\nseems xenophobic /s", ">\n\noh I'm sure conservatives will be very concerned about the \"freedoms\" of those travelers from China", ">\n\nHow's this going to work for the 75% of all our manufactured goods coming in from China?", ">\n\nThank God Biden is doing this if it was Trump they call him racist .", ">\n\nTrump admin did this and it was hailed as a great idea, because it was. And is.\nWho tf cares who the man or president is when it comes to health? Why are some people like this?", ">\n\nYou know that wasnt true.", ">\n\nWhy would they make a move that would indisputably send hundreds of thousands of infected into the wider world including those that may wind up being infected with a new variant or two? \nCan we at least conclude that China does not care about this possibility? Is that verboten to say?\nCan an axiomatically correct statement still result in a ban?", ">\n\nSounds kinda racist.", ">\n\nMakes absolute sense considering what's currently going on there. Canada should do the same. I'll even go as far as say suspend visas / entry from that part of the world temporarily, until they can get it under control", ">\n\nMakes sense. China is exploding with covid and who knows if/when the next bad variant develops there.", ">\n\nLmao Reddit enjoying their shut in lives so much I’d rather jump off the tallest bridge near me before going into lockdowns again.", ">\n\nXenophobia", ">\n\nXenophobic Biden", ">\n\nPeople are acting like Covid stopped spreading in the US… The US just decided to ignore it, that is until China gained more cases, and now it’s back to fear mongering Chinese people. I see that xenophobia is still alive and well in the US.", ">\n\nMy family and I caught covid during Thanksgiving after being careful for two years. Fortunately, we're all vaccinated so the symptoms didn't hit us too hard. We just got lax with being careful, but we'll probably be wearing our masks in crowded places just to be safe.", ">\n\nI never stopped wearing masks in the US while going to stores. The reality is we have had waves of Covid here in the US, and we have had different mutations of variants too.", ">\n\nThats racist. Biden should be ashamed of himself for allowing such bigotry and hatred towards our Chinese brethren.", ">\n\nThis applies to anyone traveling from China, not just the Chinese.", ">\n\nI wouldn’t think another country was rascist if the USA had a huge surge and temporarily suspended flights to:from the USA until the numbers came down.", ">\n\nSame biological warfare when westerners were entering into China in 2022?", ">\n\n50 Cent army, out in full force!", ">\n\nWhy are we letting anyone in from China?", ">\n\nCitizens and most permanent residents cannot be refused admission.", ">\n\nOh, here we go again.", ">\n\nKind of ironic seeing how the US has worse cases lmao", ">\n\nUS will keep up the bio attacks until the world complies with their foreign policy. Which is to keep China from becoming a threat to its hegemony", ">\n\nWeird how we can’t make our own citizens mask or test but we can make sure travelers from other places do \nWild how absolutely absurd the timeline we’re living in js", ">\n\nGood. We should not allow anyone from any country the opportunity to enter our country without proof.", ">\n\nIt’s not xenophobia, it’s (D)ifferent this time. Maybe if they let trump try this in the first place", ">\n\nThis just adds fuel to racist anti-Asian sentiment in the US. What about all the people on the plane with Chinese travelers who aren't Chinese? If the situation warrants testing of anyone, it warrants testing of everyone.", ">\n\nThis is just politics. Do we really want to pretend we don’t have an overwhelming amount of COVID cases right now in America? Everyone knows most people don’t test unless they’re very sick (which is rare now) and most who even do test use at home tests and don’t report the results. Can we really just not admit to ourselves as a nation that for the overwhelming majority of people COVID no longer poses a serious threat? Hospitalization, death and long COVID are statistically insignificant for healthy vaccinated individuals at this point I don’t see why anyone can see this as anymore than political posturing.", ">\n\nWelcome to the virtue signaling zone.", ">\n\nWell ??? Why wouldn't we check considering their outbreak is significant. Seriously was this a question ?", ">\n\nChina’s authoritarian regime locked down their country for years… this contained rhe virus until mass protests as well as international condemnations. So I believe Chinese govt is teaching their citizens a lesson. Let them roam free and allow international travel into the country. Let them get severely ill and die. Then they will acknowledge and apologize to the government. This type of reverse psychology isn’t new.", ">\n\nWe the People require a vigilant health care approach to our borders at the expense of [Pure Greed] from those who capitalize on what ails us\nWe the People demand all institutions do a readiness check \nAt which time We the People can demand a Meeting of the Continental Congress to address the state of our union, to reboot the principles and powers of the American Constitution and Bill of Rights, to re instate the neutral balance of power in the houses and senate of all levels of our current government[ one party control is not the operation of the United States of America 🇺🇸]", ">\n\nIf only we had this kind of foresight 3 years ago… we could have avoided this whole mess.", ">\n\nAnd Trump was called xenophobic when we asked for the same thing", ">\n\nExactly", ">\n\nWe should have another global 2020-tier lockdown period, imo. Work at home, way less flights active etc.", ">\n\nAnd millions of people, children, the most disadvantaged would die and suffer", ">\n\nI feel like they need to extend this restriction to all of Europe as well. It’s already spread outside of China.", ">\n\nSo I’m guessing it’s not racist now that Biden is doing it.", ">\n\nAgeeed", ">\n\nSome will get through. We may be in trouble.", ">\n\nIt's a racist policy. Why not ban people from Florida from traveling to the rest of the US? What's the difference?", ">\n\nThe scientific and medical community believe China is headed for another outbreak so this step is a must", ">\n\nCanadian here. I traveled from Toronto's Pearson International airport to the U S in November for Thanksgiving and the majority of travelers going through security were, I'd guess, Chinese carrying passports from that country, most not wearing masks. I don't really know if they were Canadian citizens or not but their passports definitely were not.", ">\n\nYet banning travel from China back in 2019-2020 was racist and xenophobic . No wonder the public has no confidence in the government.", ">\n\nI can’t believe the Biden admin actually went through this. They’re testing them just because they’re Chinese??? That is so racist smh", ">\n\nThis applies to anyone coming from China, not just Chinese citizens. It’s based on the ongoing outbreak, not their race.", ">\n\nWell it’s still racist to assume anyone from China is infected just because of where they’re coming from", ">\n\nIt’s not racist at all. “Coming from China” is not a race. They will test everyone on the plane regardless of demographics.", ">\n\nWhich is racist though. It’s the same thing Trump did by banning anyone coming from China. Why don’t they ban everyone coming from Japan? India? South Korea? Thailand? Etc? Why just the Chinese smh.", ">\n\nDamn that’s so racist #stopasianhate", ">\n\n2019 into 2020 all over again. \nAt least China has a strict ban on flights...\nOh", ">\n\nI don't think that's on China. I don't remember US banning any flights abroad during any of our surges?" ]
> The fucks the point of that? They could be exposed, test negative and pop positive while they’re here or anywhere. Negative test doesn’t mean shit.
[ "People from China will travel through Europe and come in to America from the east coast like they did when the pandemic started. This will do nothing if all travelers aboard aren’t made to test.", ">\n\nLet's hope EU and other countries do the same.", ">\n\nI don't know if they will. Australia (for example) had some of the toughest Covid policies and they've essentially just thrown them all out the window.\nSo I don't know how willing countries are to go back to being overly concerned about Covid.", ">\n\nThey should be concerned w chinese, it's spreading like wildfire in china. If we aren't careful, they will come out w covid 20.", ">\n\nIt’s spreading everywhere including the USA. This policy has nothing to do with science or medicine. It’s just politics.", ">\n\nNo. It’s circulating like mad in a population of 1 billion people who haven’t been exposed before. This is how new variants come about. Every country should require negative Covid test for china at least until it cycles through the population", ">\n\n\nNo. It’s circulating like mad in a population of 1 billion people who haven’t been exposed before.\n\nIt's also spreading like mad in all the countries of the world including the USA.\n\nThis is how new variants come about. \n\nAnd they have been for years now.\n\nEvery country should require negative Covid test for china at least until it cycles through the population\n\nOnly for political reasons. There is no scientific or rational demand for this. \nI get it, you hate china, most americans hate china so just be honest and say what you really mean.", ">\n\nStrains are spreading in the west yes, but there are new strains in China that are spreading and we don't know if our vaccines will work with those strains. We know the Chinese vaccines have a low efficacy rate and we know they are not mRNA vaccines which allow for easier adaptation to new strains. Making travelers with a Chinese passport take Covid tests at any and all airports is not racist or even unfair - a reminder that China has been relatively hard to travel to for the last 2 years because they were locked down to foreign travel as well. This is simply good policy from a public health measure, and you not wanting to see that for what it is and instead attribute it to a nascent American hatred for China is laughable. the World Health Organization estimated close to 800 million new cases in China in the next few months, with another estimate 4 million deaths and countless new strains coming out during that period. This is about protection populations, not punishing China.", ">\n\n\nStrains are spreading in the west yes, but there are new strains in China that are spreading and we don't know if our vaccines will work with those strains.\n\nYou don't know if vaccines work against any new variant even if that variant is from a country populated with white people.\n\nWe know the Chinese vaccines have a low efficacy rate and we know they are not mRNA vaccines which allow for easier adaptation to new strains. \n\nThe vaccine doesn't adapt once inside of your body you know that right?\n\nMaking travelers with a Chinese passport take Covid tests at any and all airports is not racist or even unfair \n\nit's definitely unfair and probably racist as well.\n\nhis is simply good policy from a public health measure, a\n\nA good policy would be to require vaccinations from everybody. Think about it, you are requiring a vaccine that you said doesn't even work. How much sense does that make?\n\nattribute it to a nascent American hatred for China is laughable.\n\nNascent?\n\nThis is about protection populations, not punishing China.\n\nIt's definitely about punishing china, it's a part of the current cold war with China conducted by the USA.", ">\n\n\nYou don't know if vaccines work against any new variant even if that variant is from a country populated with white people.\n\nAll the more reason to not invite more new strains into the country. White population or otherwise has nothing to do with it, expected rise in cases in China does.\n\nThe vaccine doesn't adapt once inside of your body you know that right?\n\nYou missed the point. The point i was making was that the Chinese medical system has not even approached Covid with an mRNA vaccine, and steadfastly refused to license western vaccines. If the vaccine most readily available in China has a 50% efficacy then the population is at more risk of contracting the virus and having negative results. The infection rates are increased with each new case of BA.7 (China is currently seeing each covid patient infecting on average 18 other people represented as 1:18, whereas the in US the rate is 1:3.9). Each of these factors increases the risk of developing new strains that are vaccine resistant. \n\nit's definitely unfair and probably racist as well\n\nIs it your position that nations cannot take any prescriptive action to prevent the spread of infected persons from other countries? Again i would remind you that China has basically been locked down for the last 2 years, with severe limitations to personal freedoms themselves. This is not based on race, but rather a government's inability to contain a contagious outbreak in their own country and not wanting it to spread. \n\nA good policy would be to require vaccinations from everybody. Think about it, you are requiring a vaccine that you said doesn't even work. How much sense does that make?\n\nThat might be your definition on good policy, but it isn't mine and that isn't how the west does it. \"I\" am not requiring a vaccine that \"I\" said doesn't work - that was your suggestion not mine. Also, i said the efficacy of the Chinese vaccine is 50% - based on available information - i never said it didn't work, and i never said that it should be mandatory or required.\n\nNascent?\n\nPoor and wrong word choice on my part it seems. What i meant was ascribing the US decision to require testing of Chinese travelers to racism because you believe that the US is racist is laughable. Taking a test to prove that you are covid negative is far less onerous on a traveler than most visa requirements.\n\nIt's definitely about punishing china, it's a part of the current cold war with China conducted by the USA.\n\nCite your sources. I could point to many Chinese government policies that i could say are part of the current cold war with the US without backing it up and it would be just as credible as what you said. Opinion is not a source, and not proof. You assume that the US government is racist, that this policy is racist and yet we have had travel bans imposed on other countries, as well as testing required for travelers from other countries imposed before, and other policies and so has China. For goodness sake China has been closed to foreigners for almost 3 years, and is still closed to foreign travel until January 2023. Is that a racist policy as well?", ">\n\nHere we go again.\nThis time I think I'll learn French cooking.", ">\n\n5000 People a day will have to die before Anybody says the word Lock down in the States ever again.", ">\n\nDon’t understand why people can’t handle staying at home for two weeks when it could potentially eradicate a deadly virus. Are we that weak?", ">\n\nWe did that in large part in March 2020. And did China not spend years locking down their citizens? \nPeoples savings are gone. They need to work. \nWearing a mask would do a lot to help the issue but people aren’t willing to do that anymore.", ">\n\nWe didn't do that though. We didn't all lock down when we were supposed to. Where I work I had to go in from the very start all the way through. Most people, the majority of people, didn't stay home even if they didn't have work. Most people didn't fuck with masks or keeping a distance, and even people who weren't antivaccers didn't take the vaccine seriously for the longest time. \nWe had no fucking lock down, unless you were a well-off celebrity or comedian who wanted to talk about being locked down for content. \nIf people legit locked down, they would have taken a small hit financially, but too many people didn't do shit and prolonged everything.", ">\n\nThe things is that it doesn't take long to drain peoples saving - becuase the overwhelming majority of people have practically none. \nSo an extended lockdown was never feasible unless the government was willing to pay several trillion dollars of expenses, not just 2 or 3 times but several times over.", ">\n\nI didn't dispute any of what you said. I pointed out that most people actively contested any safety measure and most people didn't actually lock down. Any extension will almost certainly be the fault of most of those people. \nI'd gladly let them all die if it meant the few people who did take things seriously didn't have to live through a Walking Dead scenario or have to take a huge financial hit because them.", ">\n\nMost people did lock down just fine initially. After a few weeks turned into a month or more, yeah people got testy.\nAdditionally, a gigantic amount of people work in critical industries and simply cant stay home. Just keeping the lights and water on requires tens of millions of workers, plus industries like plants and refineries that simply cannot shut down without massive long-term consequences.\nReddit is full of office people who can WFH, the vast majority of people cant.", ">\n\nI was one of those who couldn't stay home. Right out of the gate most people gave up on almost all of it except when they were making a show of complying when they had to. There was a lot of cheating. I walk through a lot of different areas. The waves of patients and bodies we got at work tracked with that and became predictable.", ">\n\nWhat’s that saying that ends with ”…doomed to repeat it?”", ">\n\nWhy not just require a negative test from everyone?", ">\n\nWho would you expect to pay for that?", ">\n\nGovernments or sponsors from the private sector ideally, I honestly don’t give a fuck. I’ve gotten many free tests from both and I’ve also bought some for like $8.", ">\n\n“Here we go again” from everyone in the comments. \nThe virus never stopped, we did.", ">\n\nVirus will always be there. Permanent restrictions are unsustainable", ">\n\n3 years later...\nIs this permanent?", ">\n\nI doubt there's anything that would make Republicans running in 2024 happier then Democrats advocating for a return to COVID restrictions.", ">\n\nRight? It’d be like the democrats fighting for gun control, or gay and trans rights, or safe and legal abortions. It would be political suicide to stand for something that Republicans don’t like!", ">\n\nMy understanding is that everything you listed is broadly popular or has at least a majority of American's in favor of it. A return to COVID restrictions is not in that category.", ">\n\nGun control isn’t even universally loved amongst the American left, as the hard left needs them for protection from the hard right they clash with, and the middle left does like having their guns taken as much as any middle right wing does, only mid left likes it", ">\n\nGallup has 57% of Americans feeling that in general gun laws should be more strict.", ">\n\nRegular people want kids to stop dying while in school. The problem is \"stricter laws\" is vague and no one can agree on what it means or give a serious proposal that would work, short of confiscation and bans, which are wildly unpopular.", ">\n\nVague political talking points is the best we’re going to get. Much as I’d love a Ross Perot style of breaking down every platform and promise, the general public doesn’t go for it. Buzz words are all we have the attention span for.", ">\n\nChina's COVID-19 surge raises odds of new coronavirus variants\nThings could get very ugly.", ">\n\nYou say this like covid hasn't been spreading rampantly through literally every country on the planet, mostly without any measures to stop the spread. Why does China get a different treatment and maybe countries should require tests from the US or Inida or Europe?", ">\n\nI agree. US was primarily the culprit of why COVID went rampant to begin with. We actively refused to enforce any sort of safety measures, just a mild suggestion of \"maybe wear a mask, if you want to, it's ok if you don't\" and \"we have vaccines if you want one, no pressure tho\". That was really our response to the world's deadliest pandemic.", ">\n\nWe actively made fun of zero covid approaches on reddit and now based on the comments on this thread we are suddenly pro “zero covid” approaches", ">\n\nEveryone finally watched contagion", ">\n\nSo far my 2023 bingo card is reading alooot of skull and crossbones, I think I might actually win at something next year, what does your score card look like?", ">\n\nWhen’s that $1200 going to hit my account?", ">\n\nI’m still living off mine from last time!", ">\n\nI’m still looking for mine", ">\n\nI’m waiting for that $600 bucks from Biden still, but that’s going right into my retirement!", ">\n\nYou dont get he meant to include any money you already received as well /s", ">\n\nI seem to remember campaign ads with $2000 checks.", ">\n\nYep they explicitly mentioned $2,000 checks.", ">\n\nMy comment was sarcasm but in retrospect there are so many neoliberals saying that word for word in all seriousness that I should and will add a sarcasm tag", ">\n\nThat's nice and all, but let's not act like we're not just ignoring our own COVID problems.", ">\n\n\n\"You don't have zero tolerance anymore? We can't tolerate that.\"\n\n- Country with 100% tolerance", ">\n\nWhy not require a negative COVID test from everyone entering the country? It’s like they don’t want COVID to be under control.", ">\n\nI think this is because China has a relatively low vaccination rate because they relied on lock downs. Now that lock downs are being ramped down, they are having a huge surge.", ">\n\nThe vaccination rate in China is considerably higher than the US (92% vs 81%). This is just another example of yellow peril", ">\n\nThank you for pointing this out. What I said above was wrong about the vaccination rate. I don’t know why exactly China is having a surge. 🤷‍♂️", ">\n\nTheir vaccination rate is high but their vaccine, SinoVac is based on old tech. It conveys effectively zero protection from variants when compared to all the other types of vaccines on the market.", ">\n\nYou guys are so full of shit. At 3 doses Sinovac gives the same protection as any western vaccine with boosters to help mitigate mutated variants. Stop spreading misinfo.", ">\n\n\"Does that thumbnail of someone getting tested read too much like 'screaming uselessly into the void'?\"\n\"I'm sure it'll be fine.\"", ">\n\nMaybe, just maybe they shouldnt have stopped testing airplane passengers in the first place... \nWe have cheap, readily available tests that take 10 minutes to complete. There’s really no reason not to test ever passenger before boarding...", ">\n\nEveryone I know who had Omicron tested negative until their symptoms cleared. It was evading the RATs, for some reason.", ">\n\nI tested positive on a rapid test two days after getting congested. Every teacher coworker of mine who bothered to test after getting cold symptoms also did. I think it's why so few parents now test their kids before sending time to school sick. They don't want to know so we all find out when we or our family members then test positive, missing work on their sick kids' behalf so they didn't have to. \nI have also heard the rapid test can give false negatives but anecdotal references don't mean much.", ">\n\nA day late and a dollar short. Same old song and dance.", ">\n\nWow, it’s like history literally repeating itself.", ">\n\nIndeed it is. I hope everyone is prepared for what’s next.", ">\n\nWe should require negative COVID tests for people to fly within the US, too.\nIt makes no difference to me if the person who infects me at LAX is coming in from China, or from Texas.", ">\n\nThere is a high chance anyone that comes from China has Covid right now. Low chance that someone inside America has.", ">\n\nNaw. China’s percent is much higher, sure, but it’s not like US infection rates are low. You can pretty much guarantee an infected American on every sold out domestic flight. The latest variants are super, super contagious, and it only takes one infected person to pose a serious risk to the other people sharing their space, and then all of their families and friends after they land. All flights should still require testing and masking at this point, or all we’ve really accomplished is pacifying the dimwits and xenophobes.\nI know at least 3 people who 100% contracted COVID while flying domestically in the US this last month - because they were isolated for the incubation period beforehand. They were masked the entire time they were in the airport and on the plane.", ">\n\nIf they were masked up and I assume vaccinated and still caught the virus then preventable measures like these aren’t that effective.", ">\n\nIs there a new strain of Covid that isn't in the U.S yet, otherwise what's the point.", ">\n\nUm testing should not ever stop.", ">\n\nAh shit here we go again", ">\n\n\"Who left the fridge open?\"", ">\n\nIt's \"just a cold\" unless it's a non-white person from another country carrying it.\n/s", ">\n\nChina implemented an ineffective vaccine and had 30m+ cases in one day. It’s specifically that gov. refusing to use effective vaccines", ">\n\nAnd the United States had effective vaccines that half the country is not willing to nor willing to wear masks, while complaining to other countries like China about their travel restrictions (from China and Hong Kong). And honestly I’m not oppose to a tighter restriction on China while they are experiencing a surge in new cases just as it did with any other countries that initially loosen covid restrictions, what makes me question this being race or politically motivated is the hypocrisy; people complained about China being oppressive when it was enforcing all the covid restrictions and when they loosen it “China doesn’t care about human lives”.\nSo what exactly do you want them to do?", ">\n\n\nto Require Negative Covid Tests for Travelers From China\n\nLuckily China is well known for its systemic unwillingness to fake or counterfeit things, so everything should be fine.\nhonest.", ">\n\nSeems purely retaliatory with no actual effectiveness.\nEnforcement is over a week away and presumably China has hit its peak already (flights being 40% positive)", ">\n\nThe rich rats are going to buy fake tests and jump ship breaking quarantine just like they did in the first wave. Cutting flights or enforcing quarantines is the only way to prevent this stuff from jumping oceans but god forbid anybody inhibit the jet setters.", ">\n\nHALF of the passengers on a plane from China going to Italy tested positive the other day (tested on arrival). Chances are most if not all of them had negative test results they could show that they took before they left. This won't do anything to stop people coming into the US while positive..we are going to have to go through this all over again and we won't have the same somewhat cooperative response in the US this time if it is a variant that evades immunity... It will get REALLY bad.", ">\n\nSeriously they know red states will just let them in and will never do another shut down again. So start dealt with out break countries this way to slow it down or corner it. But I see very very bad days ahead for China and Russia is starting to report out breaks too.", ">\n\nMust. When?", ">\n\nWe already require this from canada iirc\nEdit: i was wrong, canada requires it from us.", ">\n\nI hope we are talking PCR tests... those store-bought 15-minute ones struggle to get a positive if you have any sort of vaccination, even while symptomatic and miserable.", ">\n\nWell, a little bit of good news. I'll take it.", ">\n\nTravel should have been 100$ restricted a long time ago. Travel should be restricted to any country experiencing a COVID outbreak.", ">\n\nWonderful. Another round of Asian hating.", ">\n\nWho's hating on Asians? We're trying to stop this virus from killing people.", ">\n\nor… ban flights from china??", ">\n\nDoesn’t make sense in singling out China when covid is widespread in every single country", ">\n\nThe extent of covid in china atm is just absurd. Two weeks ago, they had 37 MILLION cases in one day. Think about that. Thats more people than a lot of countries! \nsource", ">\n\nI wonder why China has so much trouble with COVID compared to other countries, despite being so strict.", ">\n\nIt’s because they had the zero covid approaches that people are advocating for in this thread and they suddenly reversed course. Everyone in China is getting it so fast its likely the same variants quickly spreading in a population that suddenly reversed course. Having many people getting it over time and exposed to new generations of the virus (which is what happens over time) is more insidious but people here think thats fine", ">\n\nEveryone saying this is racist, do not pay attention to the world", ">\n\nIt was called racist and xenophobic when Trump did it. The left are hypocritical emotional wrecks.", ">\n\nnah trump was racist or did you forget he called it the “china virus” and subsequent hate crimes increased against adians", ">\n\nLet’s not change the subject. We’re talking about testing travelers from China here. Always trying to deflect.", ">\n\nIs that what he did, though? That and nothing else? This is a Fox News headline, but I bet there's a lot more to it. There usually is.\nFYI, Italy is also requiring testing of travelers from China at this time.\nBecause of the high number of cases in China at this time.", ">\n\nSo many dumb replies here. I am sad about where humankind is at.", ">\n\nRound two people", ">\n\nWe need to ramp up testing again at border.", ">\n\nChina trying to stop Covid…lol! Fail miserably at that, build a huge infected population, then unleash it on the world. Great job China /s", ">\n\nSell then the Moderna vaccine so they can treat themselves, ans end this debacle.", ">\n\nEven if US send Moderna and Phizer vaccine, China will not use it, because they boast about \"superior\" Chinese vaccine and don't want to lose face.\n​\nUntil they change their attitude, I suggest keeping restriction in place for PRC travelers.", ">\n\nOh definitely.", ">\n\nCCP exporting covid again.", ">\n\nPaywall - can anyone help me read the article? It sounds great in theory but why wait so long? That’s how this all started in 2020. Test now!", ">\n\nChina has been in quarantine until the protests. They have a very low of vaccinated people, so now everyone's breathing on each other's necks, squeezing in tight places and now introducing another pandemic. \nI believe a combination of everyone quarantined for too long and non vaccinated people are making this a very deadly spread.", ">\n\nTheir vaccination rate is not too bad, except among the elderly. But their vaccine was shit even before all the variants.\nThey've been trying to use lockdown to prevent spread and with the new variants that just won't work.\nSo yeah, they're pretty fucked.", ">\n\nVaccination rate is good, but the rate of people who are up to date on boosters is where they fall short even beyond just the elderly. It also doesn't help that the vaccine being used is overall less effective than the ones being used elsewhere like you said. Makes those booster shots many are lacking even more critical.", ">\n\nApparently Americans only get worried when it’s Chinese people spreading Covid as opposed to their own residents, citizens and Europeans.", ">\n\nseems xenophobic /s", ">\n\noh I'm sure conservatives will be very concerned about the \"freedoms\" of those travelers from China", ">\n\nHow's this going to work for the 75% of all our manufactured goods coming in from China?", ">\n\nThank God Biden is doing this if it was Trump they call him racist .", ">\n\nTrump admin did this and it was hailed as a great idea, because it was. And is.\nWho tf cares who the man or president is when it comes to health? Why are some people like this?", ">\n\nYou know that wasnt true.", ">\n\nWhy would they make a move that would indisputably send hundreds of thousands of infected into the wider world including those that may wind up being infected with a new variant or two? \nCan we at least conclude that China does not care about this possibility? Is that verboten to say?\nCan an axiomatically correct statement still result in a ban?", ">\n\nSounds kinda racist.", ">\n\nMakes absolute sense considering what's currently going on there. Canada should do the same. I'll even go as far as say suspend visas / entry from that part of the world temporarily, until they can get it under control", ">\n\nMakes sense. China is exploding with covid and who knows if/when the next bad variant develops there.", ">\n\nLmao Reddit enjoying their shut in lives so much I’d rather jump off the tallest bridge near me before going into lockdowns again.", ">\n\nXenophobia", ">\n\nXenophobic Biden", ">\n\nPeople are acting like Covid stopped spreading in the US… The US just decided to ignore it, that is until China gained more cases, and now it’s back to fear mongering Chinese people. I see that xenophobia is still alive and well in the US.", ">\n\nMy family and I caught covid during Thanksgiving after being careful for two years. Fortunately, we're all vaccinated so the symptoms didn't hit us too hard. We just got lax with being careful, but we'll probably be wearing our masks in crowded places just to be safe.", ">\n\nI never stopped wearing masks in the US while going to stores. The reality is we have had waves of Covid here in the US, and we have had different mutations of variants too.", ">\n\nThats racist. Biden should be ashamed of himself for allowing such bigotry and hatred towards our Chinese brethren.", ">\n\nThis applies to anyone traveling from China, not just the Chinese.", ">\n\nI wouldn’t think another country was rascist if the USA had a huge surge and temporarily suspended flights to:from the USA until the numbers came down.", ">\n\nSame biological warfare when westerners were entering into China in 2022?", ">\n\n50 Cent army, out in full force!", ">\n\nWhy are we letting anyone in from China?", ">\n\nCitizens and most permanent residents cannot be refused admission.", ">\n\nOh, here we go again.", ">\n\nKind of ironic seeing how the US has worse cases lmao", ">\n\nUS will keep up the bio attacks until the world complies with their foreign policy. Which is to keep China from becoming a threat to its hegemony", ">\n\nWeird how we can’t make our own citizens mask or test but we can make sure travelers from other places do \nWild how absolutely absurd the timeline we’re living in js", ">\n\nGood. We should not allow anyone from any country the opportunity to enter our country without proof.", ">\n\nIt’s not xenophobia, it’s (D)ifferent this time. Maybe if they let trump try this in the first place", ">\n\nThis just adds fuel to racist anti-Asian sentiment in the US. What about all the people on the plane with Chinese travelers who aren't Chinese? If the situation warrants testing of anyone, it warrants testing of everyone.", ">\n\nThis is just politics. Do we really want to pretend we don’t have an overwhelming amount of COVID cases right now in America? Everyone knows most people don’t test unless they’re very sick (which is rare now) and most who even do test use at home tests and don’t report the results. Can we really just not admit to ourselves as a nation that for the overwhelming majority of people COVID no longer poses a serious threat? Hospitalization, death and long COVID are statistically insignificant for healthy vaccinated individuals at this point I don’t see why anyone can see this as anymore than political posturing.", ">\n\nWelcome to the virtue signaling zone.", ">\n\nWell ??? Why wouldn't we check considering their outbreak is significant. Seriously was this a question ?", ">\n\nChina’s authoritarian regime locked down their country for years… this contained rhe virus until mass protests as well as international condemnations. So I believe Chinese govt is teaching their citizens a lesson. Let them roam free and allow international travel into the country. Let them get severely ill and die. Then they will acknowledge and apologize to the government. This type of reverse psychology isn’t new.", ">\n\nWe the People require a vigilant health care approach to our borders at the expense of [Pure Greed] from those who capitalize on what ails us\nWe the People demand all institutions do a readiness check \nAt which time We the People can demand a Meeting of the Continental Congress to address the state of our union, to reboot the principles and powers of the American Constitution and Bill of Rights, to re instate the neutral balance of power in the houses and senate of all levels of our current government[ one party control is not the operation of the United States of America 🇺🇸]", ">\n\nIf only we had this kind of foresight 3 years ago… we could have avoided this whole mess.", ">\n\nAnd Trump was called xenophobic when we asked for the same thing", ">\n\nExactly", ">\n\nWe should have another global 2020-tier lockdown period, imo. Work at home, way less flights active etc.", ">\n\nAnd millions of people, children, the most disadvantaged would die and suffer", ">\n\nI feel like they need to extend this restriction to all of Europe as well. It’s already spread outside of China.", ">\n\nSo I’m guessing it’s not racist now that Biden is doing it.", ">\n\nAgeeed", ">\n\nSome will get through. We may be in trouble.", ">\n\nIt's a racist policy. Why not ban people from Florida from traveling to the rest of the US? What's the difference?", ">\n\nThe scientific and medical community believe China is headed for another outbreak so this step is a must", ">\n\nCanadian here. I traveled from Toronto's Pearson International airport to the U S in November for Thanksgiving and the majority of travelers going through security were, I'd guess, Chinese carrying passports from that country, most not wearing masks. I don't really know if they were Canadian citizens or not but their passports definitely were not.", ">\n\nYet banning travel from China back in 2019-2020 was racist and xenophobic . No wonder the public has no confidence in the government.", ">\n\nI can’t believe the Biden admin actually went through this. They’re testing them just because they’re Chinese??? That is so racist smh", ">\n\nThis applies to anyone coming from China, not just Chinese citizens. It’s based on the ongoing outbreak, not their race.", ">\n\nWell it’s still racist to assume anyone from China is infected just because of where they’re coming from", ">\n\nIt’s not racist at all. “Coming from China” is not a race. They will test everyone on the plane regardless of demographics.", ">\n\nWhich is racist though. It’s the same thing Trump did by banning anyone coming from China. Why don’t they ban everyone coming from Japan? India? South Korea? Thailand? Etc? Why just the Chinese smh.", ">\n\nDamn that’s so racist #stopasianhate", ">\n\n2019 into 2020 all over again. \nAt least China has a strict ban on flights...\nOh", ">\n\nI don't think that's on China. I don't remember US banning any flights abroad during any of our surges?", ">\n\nI also don't remember the US being the origin of covid. \nChina has a special responsibility as a nation that fucked up and let covid grow out of control and escape its boundaries to not open up the export of viral vectors at the height of their crisis.\nCCP incompetence and mendacity has done enough already that they need to go above and beyond to keep shit as much as possible within their own borders." ]
> Rayciss
[ "People from China will travel through Europe and come in to America from the east coast like they did when the pandemic started. This will do nothing if all travelers aboard aren’t made to test.", ">\n\nLet's hope EU and other countries do the same.", ">\n\nI don't know if they will. Australia (for example) had some of the toughest Covid policies and they've essentially just thrown them all out the window.\nSo I don't know how willing countries are to go back to being overly concerned about Covid.", ">\n\nThey should be concerned w chinese, it's spreading like wildfire in china. If we aren't careful, they will come out w covid 20.", ">\n\nIt’s spreading everywhere including the USA. This policy has nothing to do with science or medicine. It’s just politics.", ">\n\nNo. It’s circulating like mad in a population of 1 billion people who haven’t been exposed before. This is how new variants come about. Every country should require negative Covid test for china at least until it cycles through the population", ">\n\n\nNo. It’s circulating like mad in a population of 1 billion people who haven’t been exposed before.\n\nIt's also spreading like mad in all the countries of the world including the USA.\n\nThis is how new variants come about. \n\nAnd they have been for years now.\n\nEvery country should require negative Covid test for china at least until it cycles through the population\n\nOnly for political reasons. There is no scientific or rational demand for this. \nI get it, you hate china, most americans hate china so just be honest and say what you really mean.", ">\n\nStrains are spreading in the west yes, but there are new strains in China that are spreading and we don't know if our vaccines will work with those strains. We know the Chinese vaccines have a low efficacy rate and we know they are not mRNA vaccines which allow for easier adaptation to new strains. Making travelers with a Chinese passport take Covid tests at any and all airports is not racist or even unfair - a reminder that China has been relatively hard to travel to for the last 2 years because they were locked down to foreign travel as well. This is simply good policy from a public health measure, and you not wanting to see that for what it is and instead attribute it to a nascent American hatred for China is laughable. the World Health Organization estimated close to 800 million new cases in China in the next few months, with another estimate 4 million deaths and countless new strains coming out during that period. This is about protection populations, not punishing China.", ">\n\n\nStrains are spreading in the west yes, but there are new strains in China that are spreading and we don't know if our vaccines will work with those strains.\n\nYou don't know if vaccines work against any new variant even if that variant is from a country populated with white people.\n\nWe know the Chinese vaccines have a low efficacy rate and we know they are not mRNA vaccines which allow for easier adaptation to new strains. \n\nThe vaccine doesn't adapt once inside of your body you know that right?\n\nMaking travelers with a Chinese passport take Covid tests at any and all airports is not racist or even unfair \n\nit's definitely unfair and probably racist as well.\n\nhis is simply good policy from a public health measure, a\n\nA good policy would be to require vaccinations from everybody. Think about it, you are requiring a vaccine that you said doesn't even work. How much sense does that make?\n\nattribute it to a nascent American hatred for China is laughable.\n\nNascent?\n\nThis is about protection populations, not punishing China.\n\nIt's definitely about punishing china, it's a part of the current cold war with China conducted by the USA.", ">\n\n\nYou don't know if vaccines work against any new variant even if that variant is from a country populated with white people.\n\nAll the more reason to not invite more new strains into the country. White population or otherwise has nothing to do with it, expected rise in cases in China does.\n\nThe vaccine doesn't adapt once inside of your body you know that right?\n\nYou missed the point. The point i was making was that the Chinese medical system has not even approached Covid with an mRNA vaccine, and steadfastly refused to license western vaccines. If the vaccine most readily available in China has a 50% efficacy then the population is at more risk of contracting the virus and having negative results. The infection rates are increased with each new case of BA.7 (China is currently seeing each covid patient infecting on average 18 other people represented as 1:18, whereas the in US the rate is 1:3.9). Each of these factors increases the risk of developing new strains that are vaccine resistant. \n\nit's definitely unfair and probably racist as well\n\nIs it your position that nations cannot take any prescriptive action to prevent the spread of infected persons from other countries? Again i would remind you that China has basically been locked down for the last 2 years, with severe limitations to personal freedoms themselves. This is not based on race, but rather a government's inability to contain a contagious outbreak in their own country and not wanting it to spread. \n\nA good policy would be to require vaccinations from everybody. Think about it, you are requiring a vaccine that you said doesn't even work. How much sense does that make?\n\nThat might be your definition on good policy, but it isn't mine and that isn't how the west does it. \"I\" am not requiring a vaccine that \"I\" said doesn't work - that was your suggestion not mine. Also, i said the efficacy of the Chinese vaccine is 50% - based on available information - i never said it didn't work, and i never said that it should be mandatory or required.\n\nNascent?\n\nPoor and wrong word choice on my part it seems. What i meant was ascribing the US decision to require testing of Chinese travelers to racism because you believe that the US is racist is laughable. Taking a test to prove that you are covid negative is far less onerous on a traveler than most visa requirements.\n\nIt's definitely about punishing china, it's a part of the current cold war with China conducted by the USA.\n\nCite your sources. I could point to many Chinese government policies that i could say are part of the current cold war with the US without backing it up and it would be just as credible as what you said. Opinion is not a source, and not proof. You assume that the US government is racist, that this policy is racist and yet we have had travel bans imposed on other countries, as well as testing required for travelers from other countries imposed before, and other policies and so has China. For goodness sake China has been closed to foreigners for almost 3 years, and is still closed to foreign travel until January 2023. Is that a racist policy as well?", ">\n\nHere we go again.\nThis time I think I'll learn French cooking.", ">\n\n5000 People a day will have to die before Anybody says the word Lock down in the States ever again.", ">\n\nDon’t understand why people can’t handle staying at home for two weeks when it could potentially eradicate a deadly virus. Are we that weak?", ">\n\nWe did that in large part in March 2020. And did China not spend years locking down their citizens? \nPeoples savings are gone. They need to work. \nWearing a mask would do a lot to help the issue but people aren’t willing to do that anymore.", ">\n\nWe didn't do that though. We didn't all lock down when we were supposed to. Where I work I had to go in from the very start all the way through. Most people, the majority of people, didn't stay home even if they didn't have work. Most people didn't fuck with masks or keeping a distance, and even people who weren't antivaccers didn't take the vaccine seriously for the longest time. \nWe had no fucking lock down, unless you were a well-off celebrity or comedian who wanted to talk about being locked down for content. \nIf people legit locked down, they would have taken a small hit financially, but too many people didn't do shit and prolonged everything.", ">\n\nThe things is that it doesn't take long to drain peoples saving - becuase the overwhelming majority of people have practically none. \nSo an extended lockdown was never feasible unless the government was willing to pay several trillion dollars of expenses, not just 2 or 3 times but several times over.", ">\n\nI didn't dispute any of what you said. I pointed out that most people actively contested any safety measure and most people didn't actually lock down. Any extension will almost certainly be the fault of most of those people. \nI'd gladly let them all die if it meant the few people who did take things seriously didn't have to live through a Walking Dead scenario or have to take a huge financial hit because them.", ">\n\nMost people did lock down just fine initially. After a few weeks turned into a month or more, yeah people got testy.\nAdditionally, a gigantic amount of people work in critical industries and simply cant stay home. Just keeping the lights and water on requires tens of millions of workers, plus industries like plants and refineries that simply cannot shut down without massive long-term consequences.\nReddit is full of office people who can WFH, the vast majority of people cant.", ">\n\nI was one of those who couldn't stay home. Right out of the gate most people gave up on almost all of it except when they were making a show of complying when they had to. There was a lot of cheating. I walk through a lot of different areas. The waves of patients and bodies we got at work tracked with that and became predictable.", ">\n\nWhat’s that saying that ends with ”…doomed to repeat it?”", ">\n\nWhy not just require a negative test from everyone?", ">\n\nWho would you expect to pay for that?", ">\n\nGovernments or sponsors from the private sector ideally, I honestly don’t give a fuck. I’ve gotten many free tests from both and I’ve also bought some for like $8.", ">\n\n“Here we go again” from everyone in the comments. \nThe virus never stopped, we did.", ">\n\nVirus will always be there. Permanent restrictions are unsustainable", ">\n\n3 years later...\nIs this permanent?", ">\n\nI doubt there's anything that would make Republicans running in 2024 happier then Democrats advocating for a return to COVID restrictions.", ">\n\nRight? It’d be like the democrats fighting for gun control, or gay and trans rights, or safe and legal abortions. It would be political suicide to stand for something that Republicans don’t like!", ">\n\nMy understanding is that everything you listed is broadly popular or has at least a majority of American's in favor of it. A return to COVID restrictions is not in that category.", ">\n\nGun control isn’t even universally loved amongst the American left, as the hard left needs them for protection from the hard right they clash with, and the middle left does like having their guns taken as much as any middle right wing does, only mid left likes it", ">\n\nGallup has 57% of Americans feeling that in general gun laws should be more strict.", ">\n\nRegular people want kids to stop dying while in school. The problem is \"stricter laws\" is vague and no one can agree on what it means or give a serious proposal that would work, short of confiscation and bans, which are wildly unpopular.", ">\n\nVague political talking points is the best we’re going to get. Much as I’d love a Ross Perot style of breaking down every platform and promise, the general public doesn’t go for it. Buzz words are all we have the attention span for.", ">\n\nChina's COVID-19 surge raises odds of new coronavirus variants\nThings could get very ugly.", ">\n\nYou say this like covid hasn't been spreading rampantly through literally every country on the planet, mostly without any measures to stop the spread. Why does China get a different treatment and maybe countries should require tests from the US or Inida or Europe?", ">\n\nI agree. US was primarily the culprit of why COVID went rampant to begin with. We actively refused to enforce any sort of safety measures, just a mild suggestion of \"maybe wear a mask, if you want to, it's ok if you don't\" and \"we have vaccines if you want one, no pressure tho\". That was really our response to the world's deadliest pandemic.", ">\n\nWe actively made fun of zero covid approaches on reddit and now based on the comments on this thread we are suddenly pro “zero covid” approaches", ">\n\nEveryone finally watched contagion", ">\n\nSo far my 2023 bingo card is reading alooot of skull and crossbones, I think I might actually win at something next year, what does your score card look like?", ">\n\nWhen’s that $1200 going to hit my account?", ">\n\nI’m still living off mine from last time!", ">\n\nI’m still looking for mine", ">\n\nI’m waiting for that $600 bucks from Biden still, but that’s going right into my retirement!", ">\n\nYou dont get he meant to include any money you already received as well /s", ">\n\nI seem to remember campaign ads with $2000 checks.", ">\n\nYep they explicitly mentioned $2,000 checks.", ">\n\nMy comment was sarcasm but in retrospect there are so many neoliberals saying that word for word in all seriousness that I should and will add a sarcasm tag", ">\n\nThat's nice and all, but let's not act like we're not just ignoring our own COVID problems.", ">\n\n\n\"You don't have zero tolerance anymore? We can't tolerate that.\"\n\n- Country with 100% tolerance", ">\n\nWhy not require a negative COVID test from everyone entering the country? It’s like they don’t want COVID to be under control.", ">\n\nI think this is because China has a relatively low vaccination rate because they relied on lock downs. Now that lock downs are being ramped down, they are having a huge surge.", ">\n\nThe vaccination rate in China is considerably higher than the US (92% vs 81%). This is just another example of yellow peril", ">\n\nThank you for pointing this out. What I said above was wrong about the vaccination rate. I don’t know why exactly China is having a surge. 🤷‍♂️", ">\n\nTheir vaccination rate is high but their vaccine, SinoVac is based on old tech. It conveys effectively zero protection from variants when compared to all the other types of vaccines on the market.", ">\n\nYou guys are so full of shit. At 3 doses Sinovac gives the same protection as any western vaccine with boosters to help mitigate mutated variants. Stop spreading misinfo.", ">\n\n\"Does that thumbnail of someone getting tested read too much like 'screaming uselessly into the void'?\"\n\"I'm sure it'll be fine.\"", ">\n\nMaybe, just maybe they shouldnt have stopped testing airplane passengers in the first place... \nWe have cheap, readily available tests that take 10 minutes to complete. There’s really no reason not to test ever passenger before boarding...", ">\n\nEveryone I know who had Omicron tested negative until their symptoms cleared. It was evading the RATs, for some reason.", ">\n\nI tested positive on a rapid test two days after getting congested. Every teacher coworker of mine who bothered to test after getting cold symptoms also did. I think it's why so few parents now test their kids before sending time to school sick. They don't want to know so we all find out when we or our family members then test positive, missing work on their sick kids' behalf so they didn't have to. \nI have also heard the rapid test can give false negatives but anecdotal references don't mean much.", ">\n\nA day late and a dollar short. Same old song and dance.", ">\n\nWow, it’s like history literally repeating itself.", ">\n\nIndeed it is. I hope everyone is prepared for what’s next.", ">\n\nWe should require negative COVID tests for people to fly within the US, too.\nIt makes no difference to me if the person who infects me at LAX is coming in from China, or from Texas.", ">\n\nThere is a high chance anyone that comes from China has Covid right now. Low chance that someone inside America has.", ">\n\nNaw. China’s percent is much higher, sure, but it’s not like US infection rates are low. You can pretty much guarantee an infected American on every sold out domestic flight. The latest variants are super, super contagious, and it only takes one infected person to pose a serious risk to the other people sharing their space, and then all of their families and friends after they land. All flights should still require testing and masking at this point, or all we’ve really accomplished is pacifying the dimwits and xenophobes.\nI know at least 3 people who 100% contracted COVID while flying domestically in the US this last month - because they were isolated for the incubation period beforehand. They were masked the entire time they were in the airport and on the plane.", ">\n\nIf they were masked up and I assume vaccinated and still caught the virus then preventable measures like these aren’t that effective.", ">\n\nIs there a new strain of Covid that isn't in the U.S yet, otherwise what's the point.", ">\n\nUm testing should not ever stop.", ">\n\nAh shit here we go again", ">\n\n\"Who left the fridge open?\"", ">\n\nIt's \"just a cold\" unless it's a non-white person from another country carrying it.\n/s", ">\n\nChina implemented an ineffective vaccine and had 30m+ cases in one day. It’s specifically that gov. refusing to use effective vaccines", ">\n\nAnd the United States had effective vaccines that half the country is not willing to nor willing to wear masks, while complaining to other countries like China about their travel restrictions (from China and Hong Kong). And honestly I’m not oppose to a tighter restriction on China while they are experiencing a surge in new cases just as it did with any other countries that initially loosen covid restrictions, what makes me question this being race or politically motivated is the hypocrisy; people complained about China being oppressive when it was enforcing all the covid restrictions and when they loosen it “China doesn’t care about human lives”.\nSo what exactly do you want them to do?", ">\n\n\nto Require Negative Covid Tests for Travelers From China\n\nLuckily China is well known for its systemic unwillingness to fake or counterfeit things, so everything should be fine.\nhonest.", ">\n\nSeems purely retaliatory with no actual effectiveness.\nEnforcement is over a week away and presumably China has hit its peak already (flights being 40% positive)", ">\n\nThe rich rats are going to buy fake tests and jump ship breaking quarantine just like they did in the first wave. Cutting flights or enforcing quarantines is the only way to prevent this stuff from jumping oceans but god forbid anybody inhibit the jet setters.", ">\n\nHALF of the passengers on a plane from China going to Italy tested positive the other day (tested on arrival). Chances are most if not all of them had negative test results they could show that they took before they left. This won't do anything to stop people coming into the US while positive..we are going to have to go through this all over again and we won't have the same somewhat cooperative response in the US this time if it is a variant that evades immunity... It will get REALLY bad.", ">\n\nSeriously they know red states will just let them in and will never do another shut down again. So start dealt with out break countries this way to slow it down or corner it. But I see very very bad days ahead for China and Russia is starting to report out breaks too.", ">\n\nMust. When?", ">\n\nWe already require this from canada iirc\nEdit: i was wrong, canada requires it from us.", ">\n\nI hope we are talking PCR tests... those store-bought 15-minute ones struggle to get a positive if you have any sort of vaccination, even while symptomatic and miserable.", ">\n\nWell, a little bit of good news. I'll take it.", ">\n\nTravel should have been 100$ restricted a long time ago. Travel should be restricted to any country experiencing a COVID outbreak.", ">\n\nWonderful. Another round of Asian hating.", ">\n\nWho's hating on Asians? We're trying to stop this virus from killing people.", ">\n\nor… ban flights from china??", ">\n\nDoesn’t make sense in singling out China when covid is widespread in every single country", ">\n\nThe extent of covid in china atm is just absurd. Two weeks ago, they had 37 MILLION cases in one day. Think about that. Thats more people than a lot of countries! \nsource", ">\n\nI wonder why China has so much trouble with COVID compared to other countries, despite being so strict.", ">\n\nIt’s because they had the zero covid approaches that people are advocating for in this thread and they suddenly reversed course. Everyone in China is getting it so fast its likely the same variants quickly spreading in a population that suddenly reversed course. Having many people getting it over time and exposed to new generations of the virus (which is what happens over time) is more insidious but people here think thats fine", ">\n\nEveryone saying this is racist, do not pay attention to the world", ">\n\nIt was called racist and xenophobic when Trump did it. The left are hypocritical emotional wrecks.", ">\n\nnah trump was racist or did you forget he called it the “china virus” and subsequent hate crimes increased against adians", ">\n\nLet’s not change the subject. We’re talking about testing travelers from China here. Always trying to deflect.", ">\n\nIs that what he did, though? That and nothing else? This is a Fox News headline, but I bet there's a lot more to it. There usually is.\nFYI, Italy is also requiring testing of travelers from China at this time.\nBecause of the high number of cases in China at this time.", ">\n\nSo many dumb replies here. I am sad about where humankind is at.", ">\n\nRound two people", ">\n\nWe need to ramp up testing again at border.", ">\n\nChina trying to stop Covid…lol! Fail miserably at that, build a huge infected population, then unleash it on the world. Great job China /s", ">\n\nSell then the Moderna vaccine so they can treat themselves, ans end this debacle.", ">\n\nEven if US send Moderna and Phizer vaccine, China will not use it, because they boast about \"superior\" Chinese vaccine and don't want to lose face.\n​\nUntil they change their attitude, I suggest keeping restriction in place for PRC travelers.", ">\n\nOh definitely.", ">\n\nCCP exporting covid again.", ">\n\nPaywall - can anyone help me read the article? It sounds great in theory but why wait so long? That’s how this all started in 2020. Test now!", ">\n\nChina has been in quarantine until the protests. They have a very low of vaccinated people, so now everyone's breathing on each other's necks, squeezing in tight places and now introducing another pandemic. \nI believe a combination of everyone quarantined for too long and non vaccinated people are making this a very deadly spread.", ">\n\nTheir vaccination rate is not too bad, except among the elderly. But their vaccine was shit even before all the variants.\nThey've been trying to use lockdown to prevent spread and with the new variants that just won't work.\nSo yeah, they're pretty fucked.", ">\n\nVaccination rate is good, but the rate of people who are up to date on boosters is where they fall short even beyond just the elderly. It also doesn't help that the vaccine being used is overall less effective than the ones being used elsewhere like you said. Makes those booster shots many are lacking even more critical.", ">\n\nApparently Americans only get worried when it’s Chinese people spreading Covid as opposed to their own residents, citizens and Europeans.", ">\n\nseems xenophobic /s", ">\n\noh I'm sure conservatives will be very concerned about the \"freedoms\" of those travelers from China", ">\n\nHow's this going to work for the 75% of all our manufactured goods coming in from China?", ">\n\nThank God Biden is doing this if it was Trump they call him racist .", ">\n\nTrump admin did this and it was hailed as a great idea, because it was. And is.\nWho tf cares who the man or president is when it comes to health? Why are some people like this?", ">\n\nYou know that wasnt true.", ">\n\nWhy would they make a move that would indisputably send hundreds of thousands of infected into the wider world including those that may wind up being infected with a new variant or two? \nCan we at least conclude that China does not care about this possibility? Is that verboten to say?\nCan an axiomatically correct statement still result in a ban?", ">\n\nSounds kinda racist.", ">\n\nMakes absolute sense considering what's currently going on there. Canada should do the same. I'll even go as far as say suspend visas / entry from that part of the world temporarily, until they can get it under control", ">\n\nMakes sense. China is exploding with covid and who knows if/when the next bad variant develops there.", ">\n\nLmao Reddit enjoying their shut in lives so much I’d rather jump off the tallest bridge near me before going into lockdowns again.", ">\n\nXenophobia", ">\n\nXenophobic Biden", ">\n\nPeople are acting like Covid stopped spreading in the US… The US just decided to ignore it, that is until China gained more cases, and now it’s back to fear mongering Chinese people. I see that xenophobia is still alive and well in the US.", ">\n\nMy family and I caught covid during Thanksgiving after being careful for two years. Fortunately, we're all vaccinated so the symptoms didn't hit us too hard. We just got lax with being careful, but we'll probably be wearing our masks in crowded places just to be safe.", ">\n\nI never stopped wearing masks in the US while going to stores. The reality is we have had waves of Covid here in the US, and we have had different mutations of variants too.", ">\n\nThats racist. Biden should be ashamed of himself for allowing such bigotry and hatred towards our Chinese brethren.", ">\n\nThis applies to anyone traveling from China, not just the Chinese.", ">\n\nI wouldn’t think another country was rascist if the USA had a huge surge and temporarily suspended flights to:from the USA until the numbers came down.", ">\n\nSame biological warfare when westerners were entering into China in 2022?", ">\n\n50 Cent army, out in full force!", ">\n\nWhy are we letting anyone in from China?", ">\n\nCitizens and most permanent residents cannot be refused admission.", ">\n\nOh, here we go again.", ">\n\nKind of ironic seeing how the US has worse cases lmao", ">\n\nUS will keep up the bio attacks until the world complies with their foreign policy. Which is to keep China from becoming a threat to its hegemony", ">\n\nWeird how we can’t make our own citizens mask or test but we can make sure travelers from other places do \nWild how absolutely absurd the timeline we’re living in js", ">\n\nGood. We should not allow anyone from any country the opportunity to enter our country without proof.", ">\n\nIt’s not xenophobia, it’s (D)ifferent this time. Maybe if they let trump try this in the first place", ">\n\nThis just adds fuel to racist anti-Asian sentiment in the US. What about all the people on the plane with Chinese travelers who aren't Chinese? If the situation warrants testing of anyone, it warrants testing of everyone.", ">\n\nThis is just politics. Do we really want to pretend we don’t have an overwhelming amount of COVID cases right now in America? Everyone knows most people don’t test unless they’re very sick (which is rare now) and most who even do test use at home tests and don’t report the results. Can we really just not admit to ourselves as a nation that for the overwhelming majority of people COVID no longer poses a serious threat? Hospitalization, death and long COVID are statistically insignificant for healthy vaccinated individuals at this point I don’t see why anyone can see this as anymore than political posturing.", ">\n\nWelcome to the virtue signaling zone.", ">\n\nWell ??? Why wouldn't we check considering their outbreak is significant. Seriously was this a question ?", ">\n\nChina’s authoritarian regime locked down their country for years… this contained rhe virus until mass protests as well as international condemnations. So I believe Chinese govt is teaching their citizens a lesson. Let them roam free and allow international travel into the country. Let them get severely ill and die. Then they will acknowledge and apologize to the government. This type of reverse psychology isn’t new.", ">\n\nWe the People require a vigilant health care approach to our borders at the expense of [Pure Greed] from those who capitalize on what ails us\nWe the People demand all institutions do a readiness check \nAt which time We the People can demand a Meeting of the Continental Congress to address the state of our union, to reboot the principles and powers of the American Constitution and Bill of Rights, to re instate the neutral balance of power in the houses and senate of all levels of our current government[ one party control is not the operation of the United States of America 🇺🇸]", ">\n\nIf only we had this kind of foresight 3 years ago… we could have avoided this whole mess.", ">\n\nAnd Trump was called xenophobic when we asked for the same thing", ">\n\nExactly", ">\n\nWe should have another global 2020-tier lockdown period, imo. Work at home, way less flights active etc.", ">\n\nAnd millions of people, children, the most disadvantaged would die and suffer", ">\n\nI feel like they need to extend this restriction to all of Europe as well. It’s already spread outside of China.", ">\n\nSo I’m guessing it’s not racist now that Biden is doing it.", ">\n\nAgeeed", ">\n\nSome will get through. We may be in trouble.", ">\n\nIt's a racist policy. Why not ban people from Florida from traveling to the rest of the US? What's the difference?", ">\n\nThe scientific and medical community believe China is headed for another outbreak so this step is a must", ">\n\nCanadian here. I traveled from Toronto's Pearson International airport to the U S in November for Thanksgiving and the majority of travelers going through security were, I'd guess, Chinese carrying passports from that country, most not wearing masks. I don't really know if they were Canadian citizens or not but their passports definitely were not.", ">\n\nYet banning travel from China back in 2019-2020 was racist and xenophobic . No wonder the public has no confidence in the government.", ">\n\nI can’t believe the Biden admin actually went through this. They’re testing them just because they’re Chinese??? That is so racist smh", ">\n\nThis applies to anyone coming from China, not just Chinese citizens. It’s based on the ongoing outbreak, not their race.", ">\n\nWell it’s still racist to assume anyone from China is infected just because of where they’re coming from", ">\n\nIt’s not racist at all. “Coming from China” is not a race. They will test everyone on the plane regardless of demographics.", ">\n\nWhich is racist though. It’s the same thing Trump did by banning anyone coming from China. Why don’t they ban everyone coming from Japan? India? South Korea? Thailand? Etc? Why just the Chinese smh.", ">\n\nDamn that’s so racist #stopasianhate", ">\n\n2019 into 2020 all over again. \nAt least China has a strict ban on flights...\nOh", ">\n\nI don't think that's on China. I don't remember US banning any flights abroad during any of our surges?", ">\n\nI also don't remember the US being the origin of covid. \nChina has a special responsibility as a nation that fucked up and let covid grow out of control and escape its boundaries to not open up the export of viral vectors at the height of their crisis.\nCCP incompetence and mendacity has done enough already that they need to go above and beyond to keep shit as much as possible within their own borders.", ">\n\nThe fucks the point of that? They could be exposed, test negative and pop positive while they’re here or anywhere. Negative test doesn’t mean shit." ]
> The government should require it for all airline passengers. Chinese travelers infected with COVID 19 are going to go to other countries too and some of those people will fly here. Likewise, there should be a requirement for all Americans going abroad so the U.S. doesn't spread COVID 19 to other countries.
[ "People from China will travel through Europe and come in to America from the east coast like they did when the pandemic started. This will do nothing if all travelers aboard aren’t made to test.", ">\n\nLet's hope EU and other countries do the same.", ">\n\nI don't know if they will. Australia (for example) had some of the toughest Covid policies and they've essentially just thrown them all out the window.\nSo I don't know how willing countries are to go back to being overly concerned about Covid.", ">\n\nThey should be concerned w chinese, it's spreading like wildfire in china. If we aren't careful, they will come out w covid 20.", ">\n\nIt’s spreading everywhere including the USA. This policy has nothing to do with science or medicine. It’s just politics.", ">\n\nNo. It’s circulating like mad in a population of 1 billion people who haven’t been exposed before. This is how new variants come about. Every country should require negative Covid test for china at least until it cycles through the population", ">\n\n\nNo. It’s circulating like mad in a population of 1 billion people who haven’t been exposed before.\n\nIt's also spreading like mad in all the countries of the world including the USA.\n\nThis is how new variants come about. \n\nAnd they have been for years now.\n\nEvery country should require negative Covid test for china at least until it cycles through the population\n\nOnly for political reasons. There is no scientific or rational demand for this. \nI get it, you hate china, most americans hate china so just be honest and say what you really mean.", ">\n\nStrains are spreading in the west yes, but there are new strains in China that are spreading and we don't know if our vaccines will work with those strains. We know the Chinese vaccines have a low efficacy rate and we know they are not mRNA vaccines which allow for easier adaptation to new strains. Making travelers with a Chinese passport take Covid tests at any and all airports is not racist or even unfair - a reminder that China has been relatively hard to travel to for the last 2 years because they were locked down to foreign travel as well. This is simply good policy from a public health measure, and you not wanting to see that for what it is and instead attribute it to a nascent American hatred for China is laughable. the World Health Organization estimated close to 800 million new cases in China in the next few months, with another estimate 4 million deaths and countless new strains coming out during that period. This is about protection populations, not punishing China.", ">\n\n\nStrains are spreading in the west yes, but there are new strains in China that are spreading and we don't know if our vaccines will work with those strains.\n\nYou don't know if vaccines work against any new variant even if that variant is from a country populated with white people.\n\nWe know the Chinese vaccines have a low efficacy rate and we know they are not mRNA vaccines which allow for easier adaptation to new strains. \n\nThe vaccine doesn't adapt once inside of your body you know that right?\n\nMaking travelers with a Chinese passport take Covid tests at any and all airports is not racist or even unfair \n\nit's definitely unfair and probably racist as well.\n\nhis is simply good policy from a public health measure, a\n\nA good policy would be to require vaccinations from everybody. Think about it, you are requiring a vaccine that you said doesn't even work. How much sense does that make?\n\nattribute it to a nascent American hatred for China is laughable.\n\nNascent?\n\nThis is about protection populations, not punishing China.\n\nIt's definitely about punishing china, it's a part of the current cold war with China conducted by the USA.", ">\n\n\nYou don't know if vaccines work against any new variant even if that variant is from a country populated with white people.\n\nAll the more reason to not invite more new strains into the country. White population or otherwise has nothing to do with it, expected rise in cases in China does.\n\nThe vaccine doesn't adapt once inside of your body you know that right?\n\nYou missed the point. The point i was making was that the Chinese medical system has not even approached Covid with an mRNA vaccine, and steadfastly refused to license western vaccines. If the vaccine most readily available in China has a 50% efficacy then the population is at more risk of contracting the virus and having negative results. The infection rates are increased with each new case of BA.7 (China is currently seeing each covid patient infecting on average 18 other people represented as 1:18, whereas the in US the rate is 1:3.9). Each of these factors increases the risk of developing new strains that are vaccine resistant. \n\nit's definitely unfair and probably racist as well\n\nIs it your position that nations cannot take any prescriptive action to prevent the spread of infected persons from other countries? Again i would remind you that China has basically been locked down for the last 2 years, with severe limitations to personal freedoms themselves. This is not based on race, but rather a government's inability to contain a contagious outbreak in their own country and not wanting it to spread. \n\nA good policy would be to require vaccinations from everybody. Think about it, you are requiring a vaccine that you said doesn't even work. How much sense does that make?\n\nThat might be your definition on good policy, but it isn't mine and that isn't how the west does it. \"I\" am not requiring a vaccine that \"I\" said doesn't work - that was your suggestion not mine. Also, i said the efficacy of the Chinese vaccine is 50% - based on available information - i never said it didn't work, and i never said that it should be mandatory or required.\n\nNascent?\n\nPoor and wrong word choice on my part it seems. What i meant was ascribing the US decision to require testing of Chinese travelers to racism because you believe that the US is racist is laughable. Taking a test to prove that you are covid negative is far less onerous on a traveler than most visa requirements.\n\nIt's definitely about punishing china, it's a part of the current cold war with China conducted by the USA.\n\nCite your sources. I could point to many Chinese government policies that i could say are part of the current cold war with the US without backing it up and it would be just as credible as what you said. Opinion is not a source, and not proof. You assume that the US government is racist, that this policy is racist and yet we have had travel bans imposed on other countries, as well as testing required for travelers from other countries imposed before, and other policies and so has China. For goodness sake China has been closed to foreigners for almost 3 years, and is still closed to foreign travel until January 2023. Is that a racist policy as well?", ">\n\nHere we go again.\nThis time I think I'll learn French cooking.", ">\n\n5000 People a day will have to die before Anybody says the word Lock down in the States ever again.", ">\n\nDon’t understand why people can’t handle staying at home for two weeks when it could potentially eradicate a deadly virus. Are we that weak?", ">\n\nWe did that in large part in March 2020. And did China not spend years locking down their citizens? \nPeoples savings are gone. They need to work. \nWearing a mask would do a lot to help the issue but people aren’t willing to do that anymore.", ">\n\nWe didn't do that though. We didn't all lock down when we were supposed to. Where I work I had to go in from the very start all the way through. Most people, the majority of people, didn't stay home even if they didn't have work. Most people didn't fuck with masks or keeping a distance, and even people who weren't antivaccers didn't take the vaccine seriously for the longest time. \nWe had no fucking lock down, unless you were a well-off celebrity or comedian who wanted to talk about being locked down for content. \nIf people legit locked down, they would have taken a small hit financially, but too many people didn't do shit and prolonged everything.", ">\n\nThe things is that it doesn't take long to drain peoples saving - becuase the overwhelming majority of people have practically none. \nSo an extended lockdown was never feasible unless the government was willing to pay several trillion dollars of expenses, not just 2 or 3 times but several times over.", ">\n\nI didn't dispute any of what you said. I pointed out that most people actively contested any safety measure and most people didn't actually lock down. Any extension will almost certainly be the fault of most of those people. \nI'd gladly let them all die if it meant the few people who did take things seriously didn't have to live through a Walking Dead scenario or have to take a huge financial hit because them.", ">\n\nMost people did lock down just fine initially. After a few weeks turned into a month or more, yeah people got testy.\nAdditionally, a gigantic amount of people work in critical industries and simply cant stay home. Just keeping the lights and water on requires tens of millions of workers, plus industries like plants and refineries that simply cannot shut down without massive long-term consequences.\nReddit is full of office people who can WFH, the vast majority of people cant.", ">\n\nI was one of those who couldn't stay home. Right out of the gate most people gave up on almost all of it except when they were making a show of complying when they had to. There was a lot of cheating. I walk through a lot of different areas. The waves of patients and bodies we got at work tracked with that and became predictable.", ">\n\nWhat’s that saying that ends with ”…doomed to repeat it?”", ">\n\nWhy not just require a negative test from everyone?", ">\n\nWho would you expect to pay for that?", ">\n\nGovernments or sponsors from the private sector ideally, I honestly don’t give a fuck. I’ve gotten many free tests from both and I’ve also bought some for like $8.", ">\n\n“Here we go again” from everyone in the comments. \nThe virus never stopped, we did.", ">\n\nVirus will always be there. Permanent restrictions are unsustainable", ">\n\n3 years later...\nIs this permanent?", ">\n\nI doubt there's anything that would make Republicans running in 2024 happier then Democrats advocating for a return to COVID restrictions.", ">\n\nRight? It’d be like the democrats fighting for gun control, or gay and trans rights, or safe and legal abortions. It would be political suicide to stand for something that Republicans don’t like!", ">\n\nMy understanding is that everything you listed is broadly popular or has at least a majority of American's in favor of it. A return to COVID restrictions is not in that category.", ">\n\nGun control isn’t even universally loved amongst the American left, as the hard left needs them for protection from the hard right they clash with, and the middle left does like having their guns taken as much as any middle right wing does, only mid left likes it", ">\n\nGallup has 57% of Americans feeling that in general gun laws should be more strict.", ">\n\nRegular people want kids to stop dying while in school. The problem is \"stricter laws\" is vague and no one can agree on what it means or give a serious proposal that would work, short of confiscation and bans, which are wildly unpopular.", ">\n\nVague political talking points is the best we’re going to get. Much as I’d love a Ross Perot style of breaking down every platform and promise, the general public doesn’t go for it. Buzz words are all we have the attention span for.", ">\n\nChina's COVID-19 surge raises odds of new coronavirus variants\nThings could get very ugly.", ">\n\nYou say this like covid hasn't been spreading rampantly through literally every country on the planet, mostly without any measures to stop the spread. Why does China get a different treatment and maybe countries should require tests from the US or Inida or Europe?", ">\n\nI agree. US was primarily the culprit of why COVID went rampant to begin with. We actively refused to enforce any sort of safety measures, just a mild suggestion of \"maybe wear a mask, if you want to, it's ok if you don't\" and \"we have vaccines if you want one, no pressure tho\". That was really our response to the world's deadliest pandemic.", ">\n\nWe actively made fun of zero covid approaches on reddit and now based on the comments on this thread we are suddenly pro “zero covid” approaches", ">\n\nEveryone finally watched contagion", ">\n\nSo far my 2023 bingo card is reading alooot of skull and crossbones, I think I might actually win at something next year, what does your score card look like?", ">\n\nWhen’s that $1200 going to hit my account?", ">\n\nI’m still living off mine from last time!", ">\n\nI’m still looking for mine", ">\n\nI’m waiting for that $600 bucks from Biden still, but that’s going right into my retirement!", ">\n\nYou dont get he meant to include any money you already received as well /s", ">\n\nI seem to remember campaign ads with $2000 checks.", ">\n\nYep they explicitly mentioned $2,000 checks.", ">\n\nMy comment was sarcasm but in retrospect there are so many neoliberals saying that word for word in all seriousness that I should and will add a sarcasm tag", ">\n\nThat's nice and all, but let's not act like we're not just ignoring our own COVID problems.", ">\n\n\n\"You don't have zero tolerance anymore? We can't tolerate that.\"\n\n- Country with 100% tolerance", ">\n\nWhy not require a negative COVID test from everyone entering the country? It’s like they don’t want COVID to be under control.", ">\n\nI think this is because China has a relatively low vaccination rate because they relied on lock downs. Now that lock downs are being ramped down, they are having a huge surge.", ">\n\nThe vaccination rate in China is considerably higher than the US (92% vs 81%). This is just another example of yellow peril", ">\n\nThank you for pointing this out. What I said above was wrong about the vaccination rate. I don’t know why exactly China is having a surge. 🤷‍♂️", ">\n\nTheir vaccination rate is high but their vaccine, SinoVac is based on old tech. It conveys effectively zero protection from variants when compared to all the other types of vaccines on the market.", ">\n\nYou guys are so full of shit. At 3 doses Sinovac gives the same protection as any western vaccine with boosters to help mitigate mutated variants. Stop spreading misinfo.", ">\n\n\"Does that thumbnail of someone getting tested read too much like 'screaming uselessly into the void'?\"\n\"I'm sure it'll be fine.\"", ">\n\nMaybe, just maybe they shouldnt have stopped testing airplane passengers in the first place... \nWe have cheap, readily available tests that take 10 minutes to complete. There’s really no reason not to test ever passenger before boarding...", ">\n\nEveryone I know who had Omicron tested negative until their symptoms cleared. It was evading the RATs, for some reason.", ">\n\nI tested positive on a rapid test two days after getting congested. Every teacher coworker of mine who bothered to test after getting cold symptoms also did. I think it's why so few parents now test their kids before sending time to school sick. They don't want to know so we all find out when we or our family members then test positive, missing work on their sick kids' behalf so they didn't have to. \nI have also heard the rapid test can give false negatives but anecdotal references don't mean much.", ">\n\nA day late and a dollar short. Same old song and dance.", ">\n\nWow, it’s like history literally repeating itself.", ">\n\nIndeed it is. I hope everyone is prepared for what’s next.", ">\n\nWe should require negative COVID tests for people to fly within the US, too.\nIt makes no difference to me if the person who infects me at LAX is coming in from China, or from Texas.", ">\n\nThere is a high chance anyone that comes from China has Covid right now. Low chance that someone inside America has.", ">\n\nNaw. China’s percent is much higher, sure, but it’s not like US infection rates are low. You can pretty much guarantee an infected American on every sold out domestic flight. The latest variants are super, super contagious, and it only takes one infected person to pose a serious risk to the other people sharing their space, and then all of their families and friends after they land. All flights should still require testing and masking at this point, or all we’ve really accomplished is pacifying the dimwits and xenophobes.\nI know at least 3 people who 100% contracted COVID while flying domestically in the US this last month - because they were isolated for the incubation period beforehand. They were masked the entire time they were in the airport and on the plane.", ">\n\nIf they were masked up and I assume vaccinated and still caught the virus then preventable measures like these aren’t that effective.", ">\n\nIs there a new strain of Covid that isn't in the U.S yet, otherwise what's the point.", ">\n\nUm testing should not ever stop.", ">\n\nAh shit here we go again", ">\n\n\"Who left the fridge open?\"", ">\n\nIt's \"just a cold\" unless it's a non-white person from another country carrying it.\n/s", ">\n\nChina implemented an ineffective vaccine and had 30m+ cases in one day. It’s specifically that gov. refusing to use effective vaccines", ">\n\nAnd the United States had effective vaccines that half the country is not willing to nor willing to wear masks, while complaining to other countries like China about their travel restrictions (from China and Hong Kong). And honestly I’m not oppose to a tighter restriction on China while they are experiencing a surge in new cases just as it did with any other countries that initially loosen covid restrictions, what makes me question this being race or politically motivated is the hypocrisy; people complained about China being oppressive when it was enforcing all the covid restrictions and when they loosen it “China doesn’t care about human lives”.\nSo what exactly do you want them to do?", ">\n\n\nto Require Negative Covid Tests for Travelers From China\n\nLuckily China is well known for its systemic unwillingness to fake or counterfeit things, so everything should be fine.\nhonest.", ">\n\nSeems purely retaliatory with no actual effectiveness.\nEnforcement is over a week away and presumably China has hit its peak already (flights being 40% positive)", ">\n\nThe rich rats are going to buy fake tests and jump ship breaking quarantine just like they did in the first wave. Cutting flights or enforcing quarantines is the only way to prevent this stuff from jumping oceans but god forbid anybody inhibit the jet setters.", ">\n\nHALF of the passengers on a plane from China going to Italy tested positive the other day (tested on arrival). Chances are most if not all of them had negative test results they could show that they took before they left. This won't do anything to stop people coming into the US while positive..we are going to have to go through this all over again and we won't have the same somewhat cooperative response in the US this time if it is a variant that evades immunity... It will get REALLY bad.", ">\n\nSeriously they know red states will just let them in and will never do another shut down again. So start dealt with out break countries this way to slow it down or corner it. But I see very very bad days ahead for China and Russia is starting to report out breaks too.", ">\n\nMust. When?", ">\n\nWe already require this from canada iirc\nEdit: i was wrong, canada requires it from us.", ">\n\nI hope we are talking PCR tests... those store-bought 15-minute ones struggle to get a positive if you have any sort of vaccination, even while symptomatic and miserable.", ">\n\nWell, a little bit of good news. I'll take it.", ">\n\nTravel should have been 100$ restricted a long time ago. Travel should be restricted to any country experiencing a COVID outbreak.", ">\n\nWonderful. Another round of Asian hating.", ">\n\nWho's hating on Asians? We're trying to stop this virus from killing people.", ">\n\nor… ban flights from china??", ">\n\nDoesn’t make sense in singling out China when covid is widespread in every single country", ">\n\nThe extent of covid in china atm is just absurd. Two weeks ago, they had 37 MILLION cases in one day. Think about that. Thats more people than a lot of countries! \nsource", ">\n\nI wonder why China has so much trouble with COVID compared to other countries, despite being so strict.", ">\n\nIt’s because they had the zero covid approaches that people are advocating for in this thread and they suddenly reversed course. Everyone in China is getting it so fast its likely the same variants quickly spreading in a population that suddenly reversed course. Having many people getting it over time and exposed to new generations of the virus (which is what happens over time) is more insidious but people here think thats fine", ">\n\nEveryone saying this is racist, do not pay attention to the world", ">\n\nIt was called racist and xenophobic when Trump did it. The left are hypocritical emotional wrecks.", ">\n\nnah trump was racist or did you forget he called it the “china virus” and subsequent hate crimes increased against adians", ">\n\nLet’s not change the subject. We’re talking about testing travelers from China here. Always trying to deflect.", ">\n\nIs that what he did, though? That and nothing else? This is a Fox News headline, but I bet there's a lot more to it. There usually is.\nFYI, Italy is also requiring testing of travelers from China at this time.\nBecause of the high number of cases in China at this time.", ">\n\nSo many dumb replies here. I am sad about where humankind is at.", ">\n\nRound two people", ">\n\nWe need to ramp up testing again at border.", ">\n\nChina trying to stop Covid…lol! Fail miserably at that, build a huge infected population, then unleash it on the world. Great job China /s", ">\n\nSell then the Moderna vaccine so they can treat themselves, ans end this debacle.", ">\n\nEven if US send Moderna and Phizer vaccine, China will not use it, because they boast about \"superior\" Chinese vaccine and don't want to lose face.\n​\nUntil they change their attitude, I suggest keeping restriction in place for PRC travelers.", ">\n\nOh definitely.", ">\n\nCCP exporting covid again.", ">\n\nPaywall - can anyone help me read the article? It sounds great in theory but why wait so long? That’s how this all started in 2020. Test now!", ">\n\nChina has been in quarantine until the protests. They have a very low of vaccinated people, so now everyone's breathing on each other's necks, squeezing in tight places and now introducing another pandemic. \nI believe a combination of everyone quarantined for too long and non vaccinated people are making this a very deadly spread.", ">\n\nTheir vaccination rate is not too bad, except among the elderly. But their vaccine was shit even before all the variants.\nThey've been trying to use lockdown to prevent spread and with the new variants that just won't work.\nSo yeah, they're pretty fucked.", ">\n\nVaccination rate is good, but the rate of people who are up to date on boosters is where they fall short even beyond just the elderly. It also doesn't help that the vaccine being used is overall less effective than the ones being used elsewhere like you said. Makes those booster shots many are lacking even more critical.", ">\n\nApparently Americans only get worried when it’s Chinese people spreading Covid as opposed to their own residents, citizens and Europeans.", ">\n\nseems xenophobic /s", ">\n\noh I'm sure conservatives will be very concerned about the \"freedoms\" of those travelers from China", ">\n\nHow's this going to work for the 75% of all our manufactured goods coming in from China?", ">\n\nThank God Biden is doing this if it was Trump they call him racist .", ">\n\nTrump admin did this and it was hailed as a great idea, because it was. And is.\nWho tf cares who the man or president is when it comes to health? Why are some people like this?", ">\n\nYou know that wasnt true.", ">\n\nWhy would they make a move that would indisputably send hundreds of thousands of infected into the wider world including those that may wind up being infected with a new variant or two? \nCan we at least conclude that China does not care about this possibility? Is that verboten to say?\nCan an axiomatically correct statement still result in a ban?", ">\n\nSounds kinda racist.", ">\n\nMakes absolute sense considering what's currently going on there. Canada should do the same. I'll even go as far as say suspend visas / entry from that part of the world temporarily, until they can get it under control", ">\n\nMakes sense. China is exploding with covid and who knows if/when the next bad variant develops there.", ">\n\nLmao Reddit enjoying their shut in lives so much I’d rather jump off the tallest bridge near me before going into lockdowns again.", ">\n\nXenophobia", ">\n\nXenophobic Biden", ">\n\nPeople are acting like Covid stopped spreading in the US… The US just decided to ignore it, that is until China gained more cases, and now it’s back to fear mongering Chinese people. I see that xenophobia is still alive and well in the US.", ">\n\nMy family and I caught covid during Thanksgiving after being careful for two years. Fortunately, we're all vaccinated so the symptoms didn't hit us too hard. We just got lax with being careful, but we'll probably be wearing our masks in crowded places just to be safe.", ">\n\nI never stopped wearing masks in the US while going to stores. The reality is we have had waves of Covid here in the US, and we have had different mutations of variants too.", ">\n\nThats racist. Biden should be ashamed of himself for allowing such bigotry and hatred towards our Chinese brethren.", ">\n\nThis applies to anyone traveling from China, not just the Chinese.", ">\n\nI wouldn’t think another country was rascist if the USA had a huge surge and temporarily suspended flights to:from the USA until the numbers came down.", ">\n\nSame biological warfare when westerners were entering into China in 2022?", ">\n\n50 Cent army, out in full force!", ">\n\nWhy are we letting anyone in from China?", ">\n\nCitizens and most permanent residents cannot be refused admission.", ">\n\nOh, here we go again.", ">\n\nKind of ironic seeing how the US has worse cases lmao", ">\n\nUS will keep up the bio attacks until the world complies with their foreign policy. Which is to keep China from becoming a threat to its hegemony", ">\n\nWeird how we can’t make our own citizens mask or test but we can make sure travelers from other places do \nWild how absolutely absurd the timeline we’re living in js", ">\n\nGood. We should not allow anyone from any country the opportunity to enter our country without proof.", ">\n\nIt’s not xenophobia, it’s (D)ifferent this time. Maybe if they let trump try this in the first place", ">\n\nThis just adds fuel to racist anti-Asian sentiment in the US. What about all the people on the plane with Chinese travelers who aren't Chinese? If the situation warrants testing of anyone, it warrants testing of everyone.", ">\n\nThis is just politics. Do we really want to pretend we don’t have an overwhelming amount of COVID cases right now in America? Everyone knows most people don’t test unless they’re very sick (which is rare now) and most who even do test use at home tests and don’t report the results. Can we really just not admit to ourselves as a nation that for the overwhelming majority of people COVID no longer poses a serious threat? Hospitalization, death and long COVID are statistically insignificant for healthy vaccinated individuals at this point I don’t see why anyone can see this as anymore than political posturing.", ">\n\nWelcome to the virtue signaling zone.", ">\n\nWell ??? Why wouldn't we check considering their outbreak is significant. Seriously was this a question ?", ">\n\nChina’s authoritarian regime locked down their country for years… this contained rhe virus until mass protests as well as international condemnations. So I believe Chinese govt is teaching their citizens a lesson. Let them roam free and allow international travel into the country. Let them get severely ill and die. Then they will acknowledge and apologize to the government. This type of reverse psychology isn’t new.", ">\n\nWe the People require a vigilant health care approach to our borders at the expense of [Pure Greed] from those who capitalize on what ails us\nWe the People demand all institutions do a readiness check \nAt which time We the People can demand a Meeting of the Continental Congress to address the state of our union, to reboot the principles and powers of the American Constitution and Bill of Rights, to re instate the neutral balance of power in the houses and senate of all levels of our current government[ one party control is not the operation of the United States of America 🇺🇸]", ">\n\nIf only we had this kind of foresight 3 years ago… we could have avoided this whole mess.", ">\n\nAnd Trump was called xenophobic when we asked for the same thing", ">\n\nExactly", ">\n\nWe should have another global 2020-tier lockdown period, imo. Work at home, way less flights active etc.", ">\n\nAnd millions of people, children, the most disadvantaged would die and suffer", ">\n\nI feel like they need to extend this restriction to all of Europe as well. It’s already spread outside of China.", ">\n\nSo I’m guessing it’s not racist now that Biden is doing it.", ">\n\nAgeeed", ">\n\nSome will get through. We may be in trouble.", ">\n\nIt's a racist policy. Why not ban people from Florida from traveling to the rest of the US? What's the difference?", ">\n\nThe scientific and medical community believe China is headed for another outbreak so this step is a must", ">\n\nCanadian here. I traveled from Toronto's Pearson International airport to the U S in November for Thanksgiving and the majority of travelers going through security were, I'd guess, Chinese carrying passports from that country, most not wearing masks. I don't really know if they were Canadian citizens or not but their passports definitely were not.", ">\n\nYet banning travel from China back in 2019-2020 was racist and xenophobic . No wonder the public has no confidence in the government.", ">\n\nI can’t believe the Biden admin actually went through this. They’re testing them just because they’re Chinese??? That is so racist smh", ">\n\nThis applies to anyone coming from China, not just Chinese citizens. It’s based on the ongoing outbreak, not their race.", ">\n\nWell it’s still racist to assume anyone from China is infected just because of where they’re coming from", ">\n\nIt’s not racist at all. “Coming from China” is not a race. They will test everyone on the plane regardless of demographics.", ">\n\nWhich is racist though. It’s the same thing Trump did by banning anyone coming from China. Why don’t they ban everyone coming from Japan? India? South Korea? Thailand? Etc? Why just the Chinese smh.", ">\n\nDamn that’s so racist #stopasianhate", ">\n\n2019 into 2020 all over again. \nAt least China has a strict ban on flights...\nOh", ">\n\nI don't think that's on China. I don't remember US banning any flights abroad during any of our surges?", ">\n\nI also don't remember the US being the origin of covid. \nChina has a special responsibility as a nation that fucked up and let covid grow out of control and escape its boundaries to not open up the export of viral vectors at the height of their crisis.\nCCP incompetence and mendacity has done enough already that they need to go above and beyond to keep shit as much as possible within their own borders.", ">\n\nThe fucks the point of that? They could be exposed, test negative and pop positive while they’re here or anywhere. Negative test doesn’t mean shit.", ">\n\nRayciss" ]
> China the base screams, even democrats, the great enemy of this era. If England had a surge, nobody would be screaming for negative tests.
[ "People from China will travel through Europe and come in to America from the east coast like they did when the pandemic started. This will do nothing if all travelers aboard aren’t made to test.", ">\n\nLet's hope EU and other countries do the same.", ">\n\nI don't know if they will. Australia (for example) had some of the toughest Covid policies and they've essentially just thrown them all out the window.\nSo I don't know how willing countries are to go back to being overly concerned about Covid.", ">\n\nThey should be concerned w chinese, it's spreading like wildfire in china. If we aren't careful, they will come out w covid 20.", ">\n\nIt’s spreading everywhere including the USA. This policy has nothing to do with science or medicine. It’s just politics.", ">\n\nNo. It’s circulating like mad in a population of 1 billion people who haven’t been exposed before. This is how new variants come about. Every country should require negative Covid test for china at least until it cycles through the population", ">\n\n\nNo. It’s circulating like mad in a population of 1 billion people who haven’t been exposed before.\n\nIt's also spreading like mad in all the countries of the world including the USA.\n\nThis is how new variants come about. \n\nAnd they have been for years now.\n\nEvery country should require negative Covid test for china at least until it cycles through the population\n\nOnly for political reasons. There is no scientific or rational demand for this. \nI get it, you hate china, most americans hate china so just be honest and say what you really mean.", ">\n\nStrains are spreading in the west yes, but there are new strains in China that are spreading and we don't know if our vaccines will work with those strains. We know the Chinese vaccines have a low efficacy rate and we know they are not mRNA vaccines which allow for easier adaptation to new strains. Making travelers with a Chinese passport take Covid tests at any and all airports is not racist or even unfair - a reminder that China has been relatively hard to travel to for the last 2 years because they were locked down to foreign travel as well. This is simply good policy from a public health measure, and you not wanting to see that for what it is and instead attribute it to a nascent American hatred for China is laughable. the World Health Organization estimated close to 800 million new cases in China in the next few months, with another estimate 4 million deaths and countless new strains coming out during that period. This is about protection populations, not punishing China.", ">\n\n\nStrains are spreading in the west yes, but there are new strains in China that are spreading and we don't know if our vaccines will work with those strains.\n\nYou don't know if vaccines work against any new variant even if that variant is from a country populated with white people.\n\nWe know the Chinese vaccines have a low efficacy rate and we know they are not mRNA vaccines which allow for easier adaptation to new strains. \n\nThe vaccine doesn't adapt once inside of your body you know that right?\n\nMaking travelers with a Chinese passport take Covid tests at any and all airports is not racist or even unfair \n\nit's definitely unfair and probably racist as well.\n\nhis is simply good policy from a public health measure, a\n\nA good policy would be to require vaccinations from everybody. Think about it, you are requiring a vaccine that you said doesn't even work. How much sense does that make?\n\nattribute it to a nascent American hatred for China is laughable.\n\nNascent?\n\nThis is about protection populations, not punishing China.\n\nIt's definitely about punishing china, it's a part of the current cold war with China conducted by the USA.", ">\n\n\nYou don't know if vaccines work against any new variant even if that variant is from a country populated with white people.\n\nAll the more reason to not invite more new strains into the country. White population or otherwise has nothing to do with it, expected rise in cases in China does.\n\nThe vaccine doesn't adapt once inside of your body you know that right?\n\nYou missed the point. The point i was making was that the Chinese medical system has not even approached Covid with an mRNA vaccine, and steadfastly refused to license western vaccines. If the vaccine most readily available in China has a 50% efficacy then the population is at more risk of contracting the virus and having negative results. The infection rates are increased with each new case of BA.7 (China is currently seeing each covid patient infecting on average 18 other people represented as 1:18, whereas the in US the rate is 1:3.9). Each of these factors increases the risk of developing new strains that are vaccine resistant. \n\nit's definitely unfair and probably racist as well\n\nIs it your position that nations cannot take any prescriptive action to prevent the spread of infected persons from other countries? Again i would remind you that China has basically been locked down for the last 2 years, with severe limitations to personal freedoms themselves. This is not based on race, but rather a government's inability to contain a contagious outbreak in their own country and not wanting it to spread. \n\nA good policy would be to require vaccinations from everybody. Think about it, you are requiring a vaccine that you said doesn't even work. How much sense does that make?\n\nThat might be your definition on good policy, but it isn't mine and that isn't how the west does it. \"I\" am not requiring a vaccine that \"I\" said doesn't work - that was your suggestion not mine. Also, i said the efficacy of the Chinese vaccine is 50% - based on available information - i never said it didn't work, and i never said that it should be mandatory or required.\n\nNascent?\n\nPoor and wrong word choice on my part it seems. What i meant was ascribing the US decision to require testing of Chinese travelers to racism because you believe that the US is racist is laughable. Taking a test to prove that you are covid negative is far less onerous on a traveler than most visa requirements.\n\nIt's definitely about punishing china, it's a part of the current cold war with China conducted by the USA.\n\nCite your sources. I could point to many Chinese government policies that i could say are part of the current cold war with the US without backing it up and it would be just as credible as what you said. Opinion is not a source, and not proof. You assume that the US government is racist, that this policy is racist and yet we have had travel bans imposed on other countries, as well as testing required for travelers from other countries imposed before, and other policies and so has China. For goodness sake China has been closed to foreigners for almost 3 years, and is still closed to foreign travel until January 2023. Is that a racist policy as well?", ">\n\nHere we go again.\nThis time I think I'll learn French cooking.", ">\n\n5000 People a day will have to die before Anybody says the word Lock down in the States ever again.", ">\n\nDon’t understand why people can’t handle staying at home for two weeks when it could potentially eradicate a deadly virus. Are we that weak?", ">\n\nWe did that in large part in March 2020. And did China not spend years locking down their citizens? \nPeoples savings are gone. They need to work. \nWearing a mask would do a lot to help the issue but people aren’t willing to do that anymore.", ">\n\nWe didn't do that though. We didn't all lock down when we were supposed to. Where I work I had to go in from the very start all the way through. Most people, the majority of people, didn't stay home even if they didn't have work. Most people didn't fuck with masks or keeping a distance, and even people who weren't antivaccers didn't take the vaccine seriously for the longest time. \nWe had no fucking lock down, unless you were a well-off celebrity or comedian who wanted to talk about being locked down for content. \nIf people legit locked down, they would have taken a small hit financially, but too many people didn't do shit and prolonged everything.", ">\n\nThe things is that it doesn't take long to drain peoples saving - becuase the overwhelming majority of people have practically none. \nSo an extended lockdown was never feasible unless the government was willing to pay several trillion dollars of expenses, not just 2 or 3 times but several times over.", ">\n\nI didn't dispute any of what you said. I pointed out that most people actively contested any safety measure and most people didn't actually lock down. Any extension will almost certainly be the fault of most of those people. \nI'd gladly let them all die if it meant the few people who did take things seriously didn't have to live through a Walking Dead scenario or have to take a huge financial hit because them.", ">\n\nMost people did lock down just fine initially. After a few weeks turned into a month or more, yeah people got testy.\nAdditionally, a gigantic amount of people work in critical industries and simply cant stay home. Just keeping the lights and water on requires tens of millions of workers, plus industries like plants and refineries that simply cannot shut down without massive long-term consequences.\nReddit is full of office people who can WFH, the vast majority of people cant.", ">\n\nI was one of those who couldn't stay home. Right out of the gate most people gave up on almost all of it except when they were making a show of complying when they had to. There was a lot of cheating. I walk through a lot of different areas. The waves of patients and bodies we got at work tracked with that and became predictable.", ">\n\nWhat’s that saying that ends with ”…doomed to repeat it?”", ">\n\nWhy not just require a negative test from everyone?", ">\n\nWho would you expect to pay for that?", ">\n\nGovernments or sponsors from the private sector ideally, I honestly don’t give a fuck. I’ve gotten many free tests from both and I’ve also bought some for like $8.", ">\n\n“Here we go again” from everyone in the comments. \nThe virus never stopped, we did.", ">\n\nVirus will always be there. Permanent restrictions are unsustainable", ">\n\n3 years later...\nIs this permanent?", ">\n\nI doubt there's anything that would make Republicans running in 2024 happier then Democrats advocating for a return to COVID restrictions.", ">\n\nRight? It’d be like the democrats fighting for gun control, or gay and trans rights, or safe and legal abortions. It would be political suicide to stand for something that Republicans don’t like!", ">\n\nMy understanding is that everything you listed is broadly popular or has at least a majority of American's in favor of it. A return to COVID restrictions is not in that category.", ">\n\nGun control isn’t even universally loved amongst the American left, as the hard left needs them for protection from the hard right they clash with, and the middle left does like having their guns taken as much as any middle right wing does, only mid left likes it", ">\n\nGallup has 57% of Americans feeling that in general gun laws should be more strict.", ">\n\nRegular people want kids to stop dying while in school. The problem is \"stricter laws\" is vague and no one can agree on what it means or give a serious proposal that would work, short of confiscation and bans, which are wildly unpopular.", ">\n\nVague political talking points is the best we’re going to get. Much as I’d love a Ross Perot style of breaking down every platform and promise, the general public doesn’t go for it. Buzz words are all we have the attention span for.", ">\n\nChina's COVID-19 surge raises odds of new coronavirus variants\nThings could get very ugly.", ">\n\nYou say this like covid hasn't been spreading rampantly through literally every country on the planet, mostly without any measures to stop the spread. Why does China get a different treatment and maybe countries should require tests from the US or Inida or Europe?", ">\n\nI agree. US was primarily the culprit of why COVID went rampant to begin with. We actively refused to enforce any sort of safety measures, just a mild suggestion of \"maybe wear a mask, if you want to, it's ok if you don't\" and \"we have vaccines if you want one, no pressure tho\". That was really our response to the world's deadliest pandemic.", ">\n\nWe actively made fun of zero covid approaches on reddit and now based on the comments on this thread we are suddenly pro “zero covid” approaches", ">\n\nEveryone finally watched contagion", ">\n\nSo far my 2023 bingo card is reading alooot of skull and crossbones, I think I might actually win at something next year, what does your score card look like?", ">\n\nWhen’s that $1200 going to hit my account?", ">\n\nI’m still living off mine from last time!", ">\n\nI’m still looking for mine", ">\n\nI’m waiting for that $600 bucks from Biden still, but that’s going right into my retirement!", ">\n\nYou dont get he meant to include any money you already received as well /s", ">\n\nI seem to remember campaign ads with $2000 checks.", ">\n\nYep they explicitly mentioned $2,000 checks.", ">\n\nMy comment was sarcasm but in retrospect there are so many neoliberals saying that word for word in all seriousness that I should and will add a sarcasm tag", ">\n\nThat's nice and all, but let's not act like we're not just ignoring our own COVID problems.", ">\n\n\n\"You don't have zero tolerance anymore? We can't tolerate that.\"\n\n- Country with 100% tolerance", ">\n\nWhy not require a negative COVID test from everyone entering the country? It’s like they don’t want COVID to be under control.", ">\n\nI think this is because China has a relatively low vaccination rate because they relied on lock downs. Now that lock downs are being ramped down, they are having a huge surge.", ">\n\nThe vaccination rate in China is considerably higher than the US (92% vs 81%). This is just another example of yellow peril", ">\n\nThank you for pointing this out. What I said above was wrong about the vaccination rate. I don’t know why exactly China is having a surge. 🤷‍♂️", ">\n\nTheir vaccination rate is high but their vaccine, SinoVac is based on old tech. It conveys effectively zero protection from variants when compared to all the other types of vaccines on the market.", ">\n\nYou guys are so full of shit. At 3 doses Sinovac gives the same protection as any western vaccine with boosters to help mitigate mutated variants. Stop spreading misinfo.", ">\n\n\"Does that thumbnail of someone getting tested read too much like 'screaming uselessly into the void'?\"\n\"I'm sure it'll be fine.\"", ">\n\nMaybe, just maybe they shouldnt have stopped testing airplane passengers in the first place... \nWe have cheap, readily available tests that take 10 minutes to complete. There’s really no reason not to test ever passenger before boarding...", ">\n\nEveryone I know who had Omicron tested negative until their symptoms cleared. It was evading the RATs, for some reason.", ">\n\nI tested positive on a rapid test two days after getting congested. Every teacher coworker of mine who bothered to test after getting cold symptoms also did. I think it's why so few parents now test their kids before sending time to school sick. They don't want to know so we all find out when we or our family members then test positive, missing work on their sick kids' behalf so they didn't have to. \nI have also heard the rapid test can give false negatives but anecdotal references don't mean much.", ">\n\nA day late and a dollar short. Same old song and dance.", ">\n\nWow, it’s like history literally repeating itself.", ">\n\nIndeed it is. I hope everyone is prepared for what’s next.", ">\n\nWe should require negative COVID tests for people to fly within the US, too.\nIt makes no difference to me if the person who infects me at LAX is coming in from China, or from Texas.", ">\n\nThere is a high chance anyone that comes from China has Covid right now. Low chance that someone inside America has.", ">\n\nNaw. China’s percent is much higher, sure, but it’s not like US infection rates are low. You can pretty much guarantee an infected American on every sold out domestic flight. The latest variants are super, super contagious, and it only takes one infected person to pose a serious risk to the other people sharing their space, and then all of their families and friends after they land. All flights should still require testing and masking at this point, or all we’ve really accomplished is pacifying the dimwits and xenophobes.\nI know at least 3 people who 100% contracted COVID while flying domestically in the US this last month - because they were isolated for the incubation period beforehand. They were masked the entire time they were in the airport and on the plane.", ">\n\nIf they were masked up and I assume vaccinated and still caught the virus then preventable measures like these aren’t that effective.", ">\n\nIs there a new strain of Covid that isn't in the U.S yet, otherwise what's the point.", ">\n\nUm testing should not ever stop.", ">\n\nAh shit here we go again", ">\n\n\"Who left the fridge open?\"", ">\n\nIt's \"just a cold\" unless it's a non-white person from another country carrying it.\n/s", ">\n\nChina implemented an ineffective vaccine and had 30m+ cases in one day. It’s specifically that gov. refusing to use effective vaccines", ">\n\nAnd the United States had effective vaccines that half the country is not willing to nor willing to wear masks, while complaining to other countries like China about their travel restrictions (from China and Hong Kong). And honestly I’m not oppose to a tighter restriction on China while they are experiencing a surge in new cases just as it did with any other countries that initially loosen covid restrictions, what makes me question this being race or politically motivated is the hypocrisy; people complained about China being oppressive when it was enforcing all the covid restrictions and when they loosen it “China doesn’t care about human lives”.\nSo what exactly do you want them to do?", ">\n\n\nto Require Negative Covid Tests for Travelers From China\n\nLuckily China is well known for its systemic unwillingness to fake or counterfeit things, so everything should be fine.\nhonest.", ">\n\nSeems purely retaliatory with no actual effectiveness.\nEnforcement is over a week away and presumably China has hit its peak already (flights being 40% positive)", ">\n\nThe rich rats are going to buy fake tests and jump ship breaking quarantine just like they did in the first wave. Cutting flights or enforcing quarantines is the only way to prevent this stuff from jumping oceans but god forbid anybody inhibit the jet setters.", ">\n\nHALF of the passengers on a plane from China going to Italy tested positive the other day (tested on arrival). Chances are most if not all of them had negative test results they could show that they took before they left. This won't do anything to stop people coming into the US while positive..we are going to have to go through this all over again and we won't have the same somewhat cooperative response in the US this time if it is a variant that evades immunity... It will get REALLY bad.", ">\n\nSeriously they know red states will just let them in and will never do another shut down again. So start dealt with out break countries this way to slow it down or corner it. But I see very very bad days ahead for China and Russia is starting to report out breaks too.", ">\n\nMust. When?", ">\n\nWe already require this from canada iirc\nEdit: i was wrong, canada requires it from us.", ">\n\nI hope we are talking PCR tests... those store-bought 15-minute ones struggle to get a positive if you have any sort of vaccination, even while symptomatic and miserable.", ">\n\nWell, a little bit of good news. I'll take it.", ">\n\nTravel should have been 100$ restricted a long time ago. Travel should be restricted to any country experiencing a COVID outbreak.", ">\n\nWonderful. Another round of Asian hating.", ">\n\nWho's hating on Asians? We're trying to stop this virus from killing people.", ">\n\nor… ban flights from china??", ">\n\nDoesn’t make sense in singling out China when covid is widespread in every single country", ">\n\nThe extent of covid in china atm is just absurd. Two weeks ago, they had 37 MILLION cases in one day. Think about that. Thats more people than a lot of countries! \nsource", ">\n\nI wonder why China has so much trouble with COVID compared to other countries, despite being so strict.", ">\n\nIt’s because they had the zero covid approaches that people are advocating for in this thread and they suddenly reversed course. Everyone in China is getting it so fast its likely the same variants quickly spreading in a population that suddenly reversed course. Having many people getting it over time and exposed to new generations of the virus (which is what happens over time) is more insidious but people here think thats fine", ">\n\nEveryone saying this is racist, do not pay attention to the world", ">\n\nIt was called racist and xenophobic when Trump did it. The left are hypocritical emotional wrecks.", ">\n\nnah trump was racist or did you forget he called it the “china virus” and subsequent hate crimes increased against adians", ">\n\nLet’s not change the subject. We’re talking about testing travelers from China here. Always trying to deflect.", ">\n\nIs that what he did, though? That and nothing else? This is a Fox News headline, but I bet there's a lot more to it. There usually is.\nFYI, Italy is also requiring testing of travelers from China at this time.\nBecause of the high number of cases in China at this time.", ">\n\nSo many dumb replies here. I am sad about where humankind is at.", ">\n\nRound two people", ">\n\nWe need to ramp up testing again at border.", ">\n\nChina trying to stop Covid…lol! Fail miserably at that, build a huge infected population, then unleash it on the world. Great job China /s", ">\n\nSell then the Moderna vaccine so they can treat themselves, ans end this debacle.", ">\n\nEven if US send Moderna and Phizer vaccine, China will not use it, because they boast about \"superior\" Chinese vaccine and don't want to lose face.\n​\nUntil they change their attitude, I suggest keeping restriction in place for PRC travelers.", ">\n\nOh definitely.", ">\n\nCCP exporting covid again.", ">\n\nPaywall - can anyone help me read the article? It sounds great in theory but why wait so long? That’s how this all started in 2020. Test now!", ">\n\nChina has been in quarantine until the protests. They have a very low of vaccinated people, so now everyone's breathing on each other's necks, squeezing in tight places and now introducing another pandemic. \nI believe a combination of everyone quarantined for too long and non vaccinated people are making this a very deadly spread.", ">\n\nTheir vaccination rate is not too bad, except among the elderly. But their vaccine was shit even before all the variants.\nThey've been trying to use lockdown to prevent spread and with the new variants that just won't work.\nSo yeah, they're pretty fucked.", ">\n\nVaccination rate is good, but the rate of people who are up to date on boosters is where they fall short even beyond just the elderly. It also doesn't help that the vaccine being used is overall less effective than the ones being used elsewhere like you said. Makes those booster shots many are lacking even more critical.", ">\n\nApparently Americans only get worried when it’s Chinese people spreading Covid as opposed to their own residents, citizens and Europeans.", ">\n\nseems xenophobic /s", ">\n\noh I'm sure conservatives will be very concerned about the \"freedoms\" of those travelers from China", ">\n\nHow's this going to work for the 75% of all our manufactured goods coming in from China?", ">\n\nThank God Biden is doing this if it was Trump they call him racist .", ">\n\nTrump admin did this and it was hailed as a great idea, because it was. And is.\nWho tf cares who the man or president is when it comes to health? Why are some people like this?", ">\n\nYou know that wasnt true.", ">\n\nWhy would they make a move that would indisputably send hundreds of thousands of infected into the wider world including those that may wind up being infected with a new variant or two? \nCan we at least conclude that China does not care about this possibility? Is that verboten to say?\nCan an axiomatically correct statement still result in a ban?", ">\n\nSounds kinda racist.", ">\n\nMakes absolute sense considering what's currently going on there. Canada should do the same. I'll even go as far as say suspend visas / entry from that part of the world temporarily, until they can get it under control", ">\n\nMakes sense. China is exploding with covid and who knows if/when the next bad variant develops there.", ">\n\nLmao Reddit enjoying their shut in lives so much I’d rather jump off the tallest bridge near me before going into lockdowns again.", ">\n\nXenophobia", ">\n\nXenophobic Biden", ">\n\nPeople are acting like Covid stopped spreading in the US… The US just decided to ignore it, that is until China gained more cases, and now it’s back to fear mongering Chinese people. I see that xenophobia is still alive and well in the US.", ">\n\nMy family and I caught covid during Thanksgiving after being careful for two years. Fortunately, we're all vaccinated so the symptoms didn't hit us too hard. We just got lax with being careful, but we'll probably be wearing our masks in crowded places just to be safe.", ">\n\nI never stopped wearing masks in the US while going to stores. The reality is we have had waves of Covid here in the US, and we have had different mutations of variants too.", ">\n\nThats racist. Biden should be ashamed of himself for allowing such bigotry and hatred towards our Chinese brethren.", ">\n\nThis applies to anyone traveling from China, not just the Chinese.", ">\n\nI wouldn’t think another country was rascist if the USA had a huge surge and temporarily suspended flights to:from the USA until the numbers came down.", ">\n\nSame biological warfare when westerners were entering into China in 2022?", ">\n\n50 Cent army, out in full force!", ">\n\nWhy are we letting anyone in from China?", ">\n\nCitizens and most permanent residents cannot be refused admission.", ">\n\nOh, here we go again.", ">\n\nKind of ironic seeing how the US has worse cases lmao", ">\n\nUS will keep up the bio attacks until the world complies with their foreign policy. Which is to keep China from becoming a threat to its hegemony", ">\n\nWeird how we can’t make our own citizens mask or test but we can make sure travelers from other places do \nWild how absolutely absurd the timeline we’re living in js", ">\n\nGood. We should not allow anyone from any country the opportunity to enter our country without proof.", ">\n\nIt’s not xenophobia, it’s (D)ifferent this time. Maybe if they let trump try this in the first place", ">\n\nThis just adds fuel to racist anti-Asian sentiment in the US. What about all the people on the plane with Chinese travelers who aren't Chinese? If the situation warrants testing of anyone, it warrants testing of everyone.", ">\n\nThis is just politics. Do we really want to pretend we don’t have an overwhelming amount of COVID cases right now in America? Everyone knows most people don’t test unless they’re very sick (which is rare now) and most who even do test use at home tests and don’t report the results. Can we really just not admit to ourselves as a nation that for the overwhelming majority of people COVID no longer poses a serious threat? Hospitalization, death and long COVID are statistically insignificant for healthy vaccinated individuals at this point I don’t see why anyone can see this as anymore than political posturing.", ">\n\nWelcome to the virtue signaling zone.", ">\n\nWell ??? Why wouldn't we check considering their outbreak is significant. Seriously was this a question ?", ">\n\nChina’s authoritarian regime locked down their country for years… this contained rhe virus until mass protests as well as international condemnations. So I believe Chinese govt is teaching their citizens a lesson. Let them roam free and allow international travel into the country. Let them get severely ill and die. Then they will acknowledge and apologize to the government. This type of reverse psychology isn’t new.", ">\n\nWe the People require a vigilant health care approach to our borders at the expense of [Pure Greed] from those who capitalize on what ails us\nWe the People demand all institutions do a readiness check \nAt which time We the People can demand a Meeting of the Continental Congress to address the state of our union, to reboot the principles and powers of the American Constitution and Bill of Rights, to re instate the neutral balance of power in the houses and senate of all levels of our current government[ one party control is not the operation of the United States of America 🇺🇸]", ">\n\nIf only we had this kind of foresight 3 years ago… we could have avoided this whole mess.", ">\n\nAnd Trump was called xenophobic when we asked for the same thing", ">\n\nExactly", ">\n\nWe should have another global 2020-tier lockdown period, imo. Work at home, way less flights active etc.", ">\n\nAnd millions of people, children, the most disadvantaged would die and suffer", ">\n\nI feel like they need to extend this restriction to all of Europe as well. It’s already spread outside of China.", ">\n\nSo I’m guessing it’s not racist now that Biden is doing it.", ">\n\nAgeeed", ">\n\nSome will get through. We may be in trouble.", ">\n\nIt's a racist policy. Why not ban people from Florida from traveling to the rest of the US? What's the difference?", ">\n\nThe scientific and medical community believe China is headed for another outbreak so this step is a must", ">\n\nCanadian here. I traveled from Toronto's Pearson International airport to the U S in November for Thanksgiving and the majority of travelers going through security were, I'd guess, Chinese carrying passports from that country, most not wearing masks. I don't really know if they were Canadian citizens or not but their passports definitely were not.", ">\n\nYet banning travel from China back in 2019-2020 was racist and xenophobic . No wonder the public has no confidence in the government.", ">\n\nI can’t believe the Biden admin actually went through this. They’re testing them just because they’re Chinese??? That is so racist smh", ">\n\nThis applies to anyone coming from China, not just Chinese citizens. It’s based on the ongoing outbreak, not their race.", ">\n\nWell it’s still racist to assume anyone from China is infected just because of where they’re coming from", ">\n\nIt’s not racist at all. “Coming from China” is not a race. They will test everyone on the plane regardless of demographics.", ">\n\nWhich is racist though. It’s the same thing Trump did by banning anyone coming from China. Why don’t they ban everyone coming from Japan? India? South Korea? Thailand? Etc? Why just the Chinese smh.", ">\n\nDamn that’s so racist #stopasianhate", ">\n\n2019 into 2020 all over again. \nAt least China has a strict ban on flights...\nOh", ">\n\nI don't think that's on China. I don't remember US banning any flights abroad during any of our surges?", ">\n\nI also don't remember the US being the origin of covid. \nChina has a special responsibility as a nation that fucked up and let covid grow out of control and escape its boundaries to not open up the export of viral vectors at the height of their crisis.\nCCP incompetence and mendacity has done enough already that they need to go above and beyond to keep shit as much as possible within their own borders.", ">\n\nThe fucks the point of that? They could be exposed, test negative and pop positive while they’re here or anywhere. Negative test doesn’t mean shit.", ">\n\nRayciss", ">\n\nThe government should require it for all airline passengers. Chinese travelers infected with COVID 19 are going to go to other countries too and some of those people will fly here. Likewise, there should be a requirement for all Americans going abroad so the U.S. doesn't spread COVID 19 to other countries." ]
> Inconsiderate assholes
[ "People from China will travel through Europe and come in to America from the east coast like they did when the pandemic started. This will do nothing if all travelers aboard aren’t made to test.", ">\n\nLet's hope EU and other countries do the same.", ">\n\nI don't know if they will. Australia (for example) had some of the toughest Covid policies and they've essentially just thrown them all out the window.\nSo I don't know how willing countries are to go back to being overly concerned about Covid.", ">\n\nThey should be concerned w chinese, it's spreading like wildfire in china. If we aren't careful, they will come out w covid 20.", ">\n\nIt’s spreading everywhere including the USA. This policy has nothing to do with science or medicine. It’s just politics.", ">\n\nNo. It’s circulating like mad in a population of 1 billion people who haven’t been exposed before. This is how new variants come about. Every country should require negative Covid test for china at least until it cycles through the population", ">\n\n\nNo. It’s circulating like mad in a population of 1 billion people who haven’t been exposed before.\n\nIt's also spreading like mad in all the countries of the world including the USA.\n\nThis is how new variants come about. \n\nAnd they have been for years now.\n\nEvery country should require negative Covid test for china at least until it cycles through the population\n\nOnly for political reasons. There is no scientific or rational demand for this. \nI get it, you hate china, most americans hate china so just be honest and say what you really mean.", ">\n\nStrains are spreading in the west yes, but there are new strains in China that are spreading and we don't know if our vaccines will work with those strains. We know the Chinese vaccines have a low efficacy rate and we know they are not mRNA vaccines which allow for easier adaptation to new strains. Making travelers with a Chinese passport take Covid tests at any and all airports is not racist or even unfair - a reminder that China has been relatively hard to travel to for the last 2 years because they were locked down to foreign travel as well. This is simply good policy from a public health measure, and you not wanting to see that for what it is and instead attribute it to a nascent American hatred for China is laughable. the World Health Organization estimated close to 800 million new cases in China in the next few months, with another estimate 4 million deaths and countless new strains coming out during that period. This is about protection populations, not punishing China.", ">\n\n\nStrains are spreading in the west yes, but there are new strains in China that are spreading and we don't know if our vaccines will work with those strains.\n\nYou don't know if vaccines work against any new variant even if that variant is from a country populated with white people.\n\nWe know the Chinese vaccines have a low efficacy rate and we know they are not mRNA vaccines which allow for easier adaptation to new strains. \n\nThe vaccine doesn't adapt once inside of your body you know that right?\n\nMaking travelers with a Chinese passport take Covid tests at any and all airports is not racist or even unfair \n\nit's definitely unfair and probably racist as well.\n\nhis is simply good policy from a public health measure, a\n\nA good policy would be to require vaccinations from everybody. Think about it, you are requiring a vaccine that you said doesn't even work. How much sense does that make?\n\nattribute it to a nascent American hatred for China is laughable.\n\nNascent?\n\nThis is about protection populations, not punishing China.\n\nIt's definitely about punishing china, it's a part of the current cold war with China conducted by the USA.", ">\n\n\nYou don't know if vaccines work against any new variant even if that variant is from a country populated with white people.\n\nAll the more reason to not invite more new strains into the country. White population or otherwise has nothing to do with it, expected rise in cases in China does.\n\nThe vaccine doesn't adapt once inside of your body you know that right?\n\nYou missed the point. The point i was making was that the Chinese medical system has not even approached Covid with an mRNA vaccine, and steadfastly refused to license western vaccines. If the vaccine most readily available in China has a 50% efficacy then the population is at more risk of contracting the virus and having negative results. The infection rates are increased with each new case of BA.7 (China is currently seeing each covid patient infecting on average 18 other people represented as 1:18, whereas the in US the rate is 1:3.9). Each of these factors increases the risk of developing new strains that are vaccine resistant. \n\nit's definitely unfair and probably racist as well\n\nIs it your position that nations cannot take any prescriptive action to prevent the spread of infected persons from other countries? Again i would remind you that China has basically been locked down for the last 2 years, with severe limitations to personal freedoms themselves. This is not based on race, but rather a government's inability to contain a contagious outbreak in their own country and not wanting it to spread. \n\nA good policy would be to require vaccinations from everybody. Think about it, you are requiring a vaccine that you said doesn't even work. How much sense does that make?\n\nThat might be your definition on good policy, but it isn't mine and that isn't how the west does it. \"I\" am not requiring a vaccine that \"I\" said doesn't work - that was your suggestion not mine. Also, i said the efficacy of the Chinese vaccine is 50% - based on available information - i never said it didn't work, and i never said that it should be mandatory or required.\n\nNascent?\n\nPoor and wrong word choice on my part it seems. What i meant was ascribing the US decision to require testing of Chinese travelers to racism because you believe that the US is racist is laughable. Taking a test to prove that you are covid negative is far less onerous on a traveler than most visa requirements.\n\nIt's definitely about punishing china, it's a part of the current cold war with China conducted by the USA.\n\nCite your sources. I could point to many Chinese government policies that i could say are part of the current cold war with the US without backing it up and it would be just as credible as what you said. Opinion is not a source, and not proof. You assume that the US government is racist, that this policy is racist and yet we have had travel bans imposed on other countries, as well as testing required for travelers from other countries imposed before, and other policies and so has China. For goodness sake China has been closed to foreigners for almost 3 years, and is still closed to foreign travel until January 2023. Is that a racist policy as well?", ">\n\nHere we go again.\nThis time I think I'll learn French cooking.", ">\n\n5000 People a day will have to die before Anybody says the word Lock down in the States ever again.", ">\n\nDon’t understand why people can’t handle staying at home for two weeks when it could potentially eradicate a deadly virus. Are we that weak?", ">\n\nWe did that in large part in March 2020. And did China not spend years locking down their citizens? \nPeoples savings are gone. They need to work. \nWearing a mask would do a lot to help the issue but people aren’t willing to do that anymore.", ">\n\nWe didn't do that though. We didn't all lock down when we were supposed to. Where I work I had to go in from the very start all the way through. Most people, the majority of people, didn't stay home even if they didn't have work. Most people didn't fuck with masks or keeping a distance, and even people who weren't antivaccers didn't take the vaccine seriously for the longest time. \nWe had no fucking lock down, unless you were a well-off celebrity or comedian who wanted to talk about being locked down for content. \nIf people legit locked down, they would have taken a small hit financially, but too many people didn't do shit and prolonged everything.", ">\n\nThe things is that it doesn't take long to drain peoples saving - becuase the overwhelming majority of people have practically none. \nSo an extended lockdown was never feasible unless the government was willing to pay several trillion dollars of expenses, not just 2 or 3 times but several times over.", ">\n\nI didn't dispute any of what you said. I pointed out that most people actively contested any safety measure and most people didn't actually lock down. Any extension will almost certainly be the fault of most of those people. \nI'd gladly let them all die if it meant the few people who did take things seriously didn't have to live through a Walking Dead scenario or have to take a huge financial hit because them.", ">\n\nMost people did lock down just fine initially. After a few weeks turned into a month or more, yeah people got testy.\nAdditionally, a gigantic amount of people work in critical industries and simply cant stay home. Just keeping the lights and water on requires tens of millions of workers, plus industries like plants and refineries that simply cannot shut down without massive long-term consequences.\nReddit is full of office people who can WFH, the vast majority of people cant.", ">\n\nI was one of those who couldn't stay home. Right out of the gate most people gave up on almost all of it except when they were making a show of complying when they had to. There was a lot of cheating. I walk through a lot of different areas. The waves of patients and bodies we got at work tracked with that and became predictable.", ">\n\nWhat’s that saying that ends with ”…doomed to repeat it?”", ">\n\nWhy not just require a negative test from everyone?", ">\n\nWho would you expect to pay for that?", ">\n\nGovernments or sponsors from the private sector ideally, I honestly don’t give a fuck. I’ve gotten many free tests from both and I’ve also bought some for like $8.", ">\n\n“Here we go again” from everyone in the comments. \nThe virus never stopped, we did.", ">\n\nVirus will always be there. Permanent restrictions are unsustainable", ">\n\n3 years later...\nIs this permanent?", ">\n\nI doubt there's anything that would make Republicans running in 2024 happier then Democrats advocating for a return to COVID restrictions.", ">\n\nRight? It’d be like the democrats fighting for gun control, or gay and trans rights, or safe and legal abortions. It would be political suicide to stand for something that Republicans don’t like!", ">\n\nMy understanding is that everything you listed is broadly popular or has at least a majority of American's in favor of it. A return to COVID restrictions is not in that category.", ">\n\nGun control isn’t even universally loved amongst the American left, as the hard left needs them for protection from the hard right they clash with, and the middle left does like having their guns taken as much as any middle right wing does, only mid left likes it", ">\n\nGallup has 57% of Americans feeling that in general gun laws should be more strict.", ">\n\nRegular people want kids to stop dying while in school. The problem is \"stricter laws\" is vague and no one can agree on what it means or give a serious proposal that would work, short of confiscation and bans, which are wildly unpopular.", ">\n\nVague political talking points is the best we’re going to get. Much as I’d love a Ross Perot style of breaking down every platform and promise, the general public doesn’t go for it. Buzz words are all we have the attention span for.", ">\n\nChina's COVID-19 surge raises odds of new coronavirus variants\nThings could get very ugly.", ">\n\nYou say this like covid hasn't been spreading rampantly through literally every country on the planet, mostly without any measures to stop the spread. Why does China get a different treatment and maybe countries should require tests from the US or Inida or Europe?", ">\n\nI agree. US was primarily the culprit of why COVID went rampant to begin with. We actively refused to enforce any sort of safety measures, just a mild suggestion of \"maybe wear a mask, if you want to, it's ok if you don't\" and \"we have vaccines if you want one, no pressure tho\". That was really our response to the world's deadliest pandemic.", ">\n\nWe actively made fun of zero covid approaches on reddit and now based on the comments on this thread we are suddenly pro “zero covid” approaches", ">\n\nEveryone finally watched contagion", ">\n\nSo far my 2023 bingo card is reading alooot of skull and crossbones, I think I might actually win at something next year, what does your score card look like?", ">\n\nWhen’s that $1200 going to hit my account?", ">\n\nI’m still living off mine from last time!", ">\n\nI’m still looking for mine", ">\n\nI’m waiting for that $600 bucks from Biden still, but that’s going right into my retirement!", ">\n\nYou dont get he meant to include any money you already received as well /s", ">\n\nI seem to remember campaign ads with $2000 checks.", ">\n\nYep they explicitly mentioned $2,000 checks.", ">\n\nMy comment was sarcasm but in retrospect there are so many neoliberals saying that word for word in all seriousness that I should and will add a sarcasm tag", ">\n\nThat's nice and all, but let's not act like we're not just ignoring our own COVID problems.", ">\n\n\n\"You don't have zero tolerance anymore? We can't tolerate that.\"\n\n- Country with 100% tolerance", ">\n\nWhy not require a negative COVID test from everyone entering the country? It’s like they don’t want COVID to be under control.", ">\n\nI think this is because China has a relatively low vaccination rate because they relied on lock downs. Now that lock downs are being ramped down, they are having a huge surge.", ">\n\nThe vaccination rate in China is considerably higher than the US (92% vs 81%). This is just another example of yellow peril", ">\n\nThank you for pointing this out. What I said above was wrong about the vaccination rate. I don’t know why exactly China is having a surge. 🤷‍♂️", ">\n\nTheir vaccination rate is high but their vaccine, SinoVac is based on old tech. It conveys effectively zero protection from variants when compared to all the other types of vaccines on the market.", ">\n\nYou guys are so full of shit. At 3 doses Sinovac gives the same protection as any western vaccine with boosters to help mitigate mutated variants. Stop spreading misinfo.", ">\n\n\"Does that thumbnail of someone getting tested read too much like 'screaming uselessly into the void'?\"\n\"I'm sure it'll be fine.\"", ">\n\nMaybe, just maybe they shouldnt have stopped testing airplane passengers in the first place... \nWe have cheap, readily available tests that take 10 minutes to complete. There’s really no reason not to test ever passenger before boarding...", ">\n\nEveryone I know who had Omicron tested negative until their symptoms cleared. It was evading the RATs, for some reason.", ">\n\nI tested positive on a rapid test two days after getting congested. Every teacher coworker of mine who bothered to test after getting cold symptoms also did. I think it's why so few parents now test their kids before sending time to school sick. They don't want to know so we all find out when we or our family members then test positive, missing work on their sick kids' behalf so they didn't have to. \nI have also heard the rapid test can give false negatives but anecdotal references don't mean much.", ">\n\nA day late and a dollar short. Same old song and dance.", ">\n\nWow, it’s like history literally repeating itself.", ">\n\nIndeed it is. I hope everyone is prepared for what’s next.", ">\n\nWe should require negative COVID tests for people to fly within the US, too.\nIt makes no difference to me if the person who infects me at LAX is coming in from China, or from Texas.", ">\n\nThere is a high chance anyone that comes from China has Covid right now. Low chance that someone inside America has.", ">\n\nNaw. China’s percent is much higher, sure, but it’s not like US infection rates are low. You can pretty much guarantee an infected American on every sold out domestic flight. The latest variants are super, super contagious, and it only takes one infected person to pose a serious risk to the other people sharing their space, and then all of their families and friends after they land. All flights should still require testing and masking at this point, or all we’ve really accomplished is pacifying the dimwits and xenophobes.\nI know at least 3 people who 100% contracted COVID while flying domestically in the US this last month - because they were isolated for the incubation period beforehand. They were masked the entire time they were in the airport and on the plane.", ">\n\nIf they were masked up and I assume vaccinated and still caught the virus then preventable measures like these aren’t that effective.", ">\n\nIs there a new strain of Covid that isn't in the U.S yet, otherwise what's the point.", ">\n\nUm testing should not ever stop.", ">\n\nAh shit here we go again", ">\n\n\"Who left the fridge open?\"", ">\n\nIt's \"just a cold\" unless it's a non-white person from another country carrying it.\n/s", ">\n\nChina implemented an ineffective vaccine and had 30m+ cases in one day. It’s specifically that gov. refusing to use effective vaccines", ">\n\nAnd the United States had effective vaccines that half the country is not willing to nor willing to wear masks, while complaining to other countries like China about their travel restrictions (from China and Hong Kong). And honestly I’m not oppose to a tighter restriction on China while they are experiencing a surge in new cases just as it did with any other countries that initially loosen covid restrictions, what makes me question this being race or politically motivated is the hypocrisy; people complained about China being oppressive when it was enforcing all the covid restrictions and when they loosen it “China doesn’t care about human lives”.\nSo what exactly do you want them to do?", ">\n\n\nto Require Negative Covid Tests for Travelers From China\n\nLuckily China is well known for its systemic unwillingness to fake or counterfeit things, so everything should be fine.\nhonest.", ">\n\nSeems purely retaliatory with no actual effectiveness.\nEnforcement is over a week away and presumably China has hit its peak already (flights being 40% positive)", ">\n\nThe rich rats are going to buy fake tests and jump ship breaking quarantine just like they did in the first wave. Cutting flights or enforcing quarantines is the only way to prevent this stuff from jumping oceans but god forbid anybody inhibit the jet setters.", ">\n\nHALF of the passengers on a plane from China going to Italy tested positive the other day (tested on arrival). Chances are most if not all of them had negative test results they could show that they took before they left. This won't do anything to stop people coming into the US while positive..we are going to have to go through this all over again and we won't have the same somewhat cooperative response in the US this time if it is a variant that evades immunity... It will get REALLY bad.", ">\n\nSeriously they know red states will just let them in and will never do another shut down again. So start dealt with out break countries this way to slow it down or corner it. But I see very very bad days ahead for China and Russia is starting to report out breaks too.", ">\n\nMust. When?", ">\n\nWe already require this from canada iirc\nEdit: i was wrong, canada requires it from us.", ">\n\nI hope we are talking PCR tests... those store-bought 15-minute ones struggle to get a positive if you have any sort of vaccination, even while symptomatic and miserable.", ">\n\nWell, a little bit of good news. I'll take it.", ">\n\nTravel should have been 100$ restricted a long time ago. Travel should be restricted to any country experiencing a COVID outbreak.", ">\n\nWonderful. Another round of Asian hating.", ">\n\nWho's hating on Asians? We're trying to stop this virus from killing people.", ">\n\nor… ban flights from china??", ">\n\nDoesn’t make sense in singling out China when covid is widespread in every single country", ">\n\nThe extent of covid in china atm is just absurd. Two weeks ago, they had 37 MILLION cases in one day. Think about that. Thats more people than a lot of countries! \nsource", ">\n\nI wonder why China has so much trouble with COVID compared to other countries, despite being so strict.", ">\n\nIt’s because they had the zero covid approaches that people are advocating for in this thread and they suddenly reversed course. Everyone in China is getting it so fast its likely the same variants quickly spreading in a population that suddenly reversed course. Having many people getting it over time and exposed to new generations of the virus (which is what happens over time) is more insidious but people here think thats fine", ">\n\nEveryone saying this is racist, do not pay attention to the world", ">\n\nIt was called racist and xenophobic when Trump did it. The left are hypocritical emotional wrecks.", ">\n\nnah trump was racist or did you forget he called it the “china virus” and subsequent hate crimes increased against adians", ">\n\nLet’s not change the subject. We’re talking about testing travelers from China here. Always trying to deflect.", ">\n\nIs that what he did, though? That and nothing else? This is a Fox News headline, but I bet there's a lot more to it. There usually is.\nFYI, Italy is also requiring testing of travelers from China at this time.\nBecause of the high number of cases in China at this time.", ">\n\nSo many dumb replies here. I am sad about where humankind is at.", ">\n\nRound two people", ">\n\nWe need to ramp up testing again at border.", ">\n\nChina trying to stop Covid…lol! Fail miserably at that, build a huge infected population, then unleash it on the world. Great job China /s", ">\n\nSell then the Moderna vaccine so they can treat themselves, ans end this debacle.", ">\n\nEven if US send Moderna and Phizer vaccine, China will not use it, because they boast about \"superior\" Chinese vaccine and don't want to lose face.\n​\nUntil they change their attitude, I suggest keeping restriction in place for PRC travelers.", ">\n\nOh definitely.", ">\n\nCCP exporting covid again.", ">\n\nPaywall - can anyone help me read the article? It sounds great in theory but why wait so long? That’s how this all started in 2020. Test now!", ">\n\nChina has been in quarantine until the protests. They have a very low of vaccinated people, so now everyone's breathing on each other's necks, squeezing in tight places and now introducing another pandemic. \nI believe a combination of everyone quarantined for too long and non vaccinated people are making this a very deadly spread.", ">\n\nTheir vaccination rate is not too bad, except among the elderly. But their vaccine was shit even before all the variants.\nThey've been trying to use lockdown to prevent spread and with the new variants that just won't work.\nSo yeah, they're pretty fucked.", ">\n\nVaccination rate is good, but the rate of people who are up to date on boosters is where they fall short even beyond just the elderly. It also doesn't help that the vaccine being used is overall less effective than the ones being used elsewhere like you said. Makes those booster shots many are lacking even more critical.", ">\n\nApparently Americans only get worried when it’s Chinese people spreading Covid as opposed to their own residents, citizens and Europeans.", ">\n\nseems xenophobic /s", ">\n\noh I'm sure conservatives will be very concerned about the \"freedoms\" of those travelers from China", ">\n\nHow's this going to work for the 75% of all our manufactured goods coming in from China?", ">\n\nThank God Biden is doing this if it was Trump they call him racist .", ">\n\nTrump admin did this and it was hailed as a great idea, because it was. And is.\nWho tf cares who the man or president is when it comes to health? Why are some people like this?", ">\n\nYou know that wasnt true.", ">\n\nWhy would they make a move that would indisputably send hundreds of thousands of infected into the wider world including those that may wind up being infected with a new variant or two? \nCan we at least conclude that China does not care about this possibility? Is that verboten to say?\nCan an axiomatically correct statement still result in a ban?", ">\n\nSounds kinda racist.", ">\n\nMakes absolute sense considering what's currently going on there. Canada should do the same. I'll even go as far as say suspend visas / entry from that part of the world temporarily, until they can get it under control", ">\n\nMakes sense. China is exploding with covid and who knows if/when the next bad variant develops there.", ">\n\nLmao Reddit enjoying their shut in lives so much I’d rather jump off the tallest bridge near me before going into lockdowns again.", ">\n\nXenophobia", ">\n\nXenophobic Biden", ">\n\nPeople are acting like Covid stopped spreading in the US… The US just decided to ignore it, that is until China gained more cases, and now it’s back to fear mongering Chinese people. I see that xenophobia is still alive and well in the US.", ">\n\nMy family and I caught covid during Thanksgiving after being careful for two years. Fortunately, we're all vaccinated so the symptoms didn't hit us too hard. We just got lax with being careful, but we'll probably be wearing our masks in crowded places just to be safe.", ">\n\nI never stopped wearing masks in the US while going to stores. The reality is we have had waves of Covid here in the US, and we have had different mutations of variants too.", ">\n\nThats racist. Biden should be ashamed of himself for allowing such bigotry and hatred towards our Chinese brethren.", ">\n\nThis applies to anyone traveling from China, not just the Chinese.", ">\n\nI wouldn’t think another country was rascist if the USA had a huge surge and temporarily suspended flights to:from the USA until the numbers came down.", ">\n\nSame biological warfare when westerners were entering into China in 2022?", ">\n\n50 Cent army, out in full force!", ">\n\nWhy are we letting anyone in from China?", ">\n\nCitizens and most permanent residents cannot be refused admission.", ">\n\nOh, here we go again.", ">\n\nKind of ironic seeing how the US has worse cases lmao", ">\n\nUS will keep up the bio attacks until the world complies with their foreign policy. Which is to keep China from becoming a threat to its hegemony", ">\n\nWeird how we can’t make our own citizens mask or test but we can make sure travelers from other places do \nWild how absolutely absurd the timeline we’re living in js", ">\n\nGood. We should not allow anyone from any country the opportunity to enter our country without proof.", ">\n\nIt’s not xenophobia, it’s (D)ifferent this time. Maybe if they let trump try this in the first place", ">\n\nThis just adds fuel to racist anti-Asian sentiment in the US. What about all the people on the plane with Chinese travelers who aren't Chinese? If the situation warrants testing of anyone, it warrants testing of everyone.", ">\n\nThis is just politics. Do we really want to pretend we don’t have an overwhelming amount of COVID cases right now in America? Everyone knows most people don’t test unless they’re very sick (which is rare now) and most who even do test use at home tests and don’t report the results. Can we really just not admit to ourselves as a nation that for the overwhelming majority of people COVID no longer poses a serious threat? Hospitalization, death and long COVID are statistically insignificant for healthy vaccinated individuals at this point I don’t see why anyone can see this as anymore than political posturing.", ">\n\nWelcome to the virtue signaling zone.", ">\n\nWell ??? Why wouldn't we check considering their outbreak is significant. Seriously was this a question ?", ">\n\nChina’s authoritarian regime locked down their country for years… this contained rhe virus until mass protests as well as international condemnations. So I believe Chinese govt is teaching their citizens a lesson. Let them roam free and allow international travel into the country. Let them get severely ill and die. Then they will acknowledge and apologize to the government. This type of reverse psychology isn’t new.", ">\n\nWe the People require a vigilant health care approach to our borders at the expense of [Pure Greed] from those who capitalize on what ails us\nWe the People demand all institutions do a readiness check \nAt which time We the People can demand a Meeting of the Continental Congress to address the state of our union, to reboot the principles and powers of the American Constitution and Bill of Rights, to re instate the neutral balance of power in the houses and senate of all levels of our current government[ one party control is not the operation of the United States of America 🇺🇸]", ">\n\nIf only we had this kind of foresight 3 years ago… we could have avoided this whole mess.", ">\n\nAnd Trump was called xenophobic when we asked for the same thing", ">\n\nExactly", ">\n\nWe should have another global 2020-tier lockdown period, imo. Work at home, way less flights active etc.", ">\n\nAnd millions of people, children, the most disadvantaged would die and suffer", ">\n\nI feel like they need to extend this restriction to all of Europe as well. It’s already spread outside of China.", ">\n\nSo I’m guessing it’s not racist now that Biden is doing it.", ">\n\nAgeeed", ">\n\nSome will get through. We may be in trouble.", ">\n\nIt's a racist policy. Why not ban people from Florida from traveling to the rest of the US? What's the difference?", ">\n\nThe scientific and medical community believe China is headed for another outbreak so this step is a must", ">\n\nCanadian here. I traveled from Toronto's Pearson International airport to the U S in November for Thanksgiving and the majority of travelers going through security were, I'd guess, Chinese carrying passports from that country, most not wearing masks. I don't really know if they were Canadian citizens or not but their passports definitely were not.", ">\n\nYet banning travel from China back in 2019-2020 was racist and xenophobic . No wonder the public has no confidence in the government.", ">\n\nI can’t believe the Biden admin actually went through this. They’re testing them just because they’re Chinese??? That is so racist smh", ">\n\nThis applies to anyone coming from China, not just Chinese citizens. It’s based on the ongoing outbreak, not their race.", ">\n\nWell it’s still racist to assume anyone from China is infected just because of where they’re coming from", ">\n\nIt’s not racist at all. “Coming from China” is not a race. They will test everyone on the plane regardless of demographics.", ">\n\nWhich is racist though. It’s the same thing Trump did by banning anyone coming from China. Why don’t they ban everyone coming from Japan? India? South Korea? Thailand? Etc? Why just the Chinese smh.", ">\n\nDamn that’s so racist #stopasianhate", ">\n\n2019 into 2020 all over again. \nAt least China has a strict ban on flights...\nOh", ">\n\nI don't think that's on China. I don't remember US banning any flights abroad during any of our surges?", ">\n\nI also don't remember the US being the origin of covid. \nChina has a special responsibility as a nation that fucked up and let covid grow out of control and escape its boundaries to not open up the export of viral vectors at the height of their crisis.\nCCP incompetence and mendacity has done enough already that they need to go above and beyond to keep shit as much as possible within their own borders.", ">\n\nThe fucks the point of that? They could be exposed, test negative and pop positive while they’re here or anywhere. Negative test doesn’t mean shit.", ">\n\nRayciss", ">\n\nThe government should require it for all airline passengers. Chinese travelers infected with COVID 19 are going to go to other countries too and some of those people will fly here. Likewise, there should be a requirement for all Americans going abroad so the U.S. doesn't spread COVID 19 to other countries.", ">\n\nChina the base screams, even democrats, the great enemy of this era. If England had a surge, nobody would be screaming for negative tests." ]
> That’s racist and anti Asian
[ "People from China will travel through Europe and come in to America from the east coast like they did when the pandemic started. This will do nothing if all travelers aboard aren’t made to test.", ">\n\nLet's hope EU and other countries do the same.", ">\n\nI don't know if they will. Australia (for example) had some of the toughest Covid policies and they've essentially just thrown them all out the window.\nSo I don't know how willing countries are to go back to being overly concerned about Covid.", ">\n\nThey should be concerned w chinese, it's spreading like wildfire in china. If we aren't careful, they will come out w covid 20.", ">\n\nIt’s spreading everywhere including the USA. This policy has nothing to do with science or medicine. It’s just politics.", ">\n\nNo. It’s circulating like mad in a population of 1 billion people who haven’t been exposed before. This is how new variants come about. Every country should require negative Covid test for china at least until it cycles through the population", ">\n\n\nNo. It’s circulating like mad in a population of 1 billion people who haven’t been exposed before.\n\nIt's also spreading like mad in all the countries of the world including the USA.\n\nThis is how new variants come about. \n\nAnd they have been for years now.\n\nEvery country should require negative Covid test for china at least until it cycles through the population\n\nOnly for political reasons. There is no scientific or rational demand for this. \nI get it, you hate china, most americans hate china so just be honest and say what you really mean.", ">\n\nStrains are spreading in the west yes, but there are new strains in China that are spreading and we don't know if our vaccines will work with those strains. We know the Chinese vaccines have a low efficacy rate and we know they are not mRNA vaccines which allow for easier adaptation to new strains. Making travelers with a Chinese passport take Covid tests at any and all airports is not racist or even unfair - a reminder that China has been relatively hard to travel to for the last 2 years because they were locked down to foreign travel as well. This is simply good policy from a public health measure, and you not wanting to see that for what it is and instead attribute it to a nascent American hatred for China is laughable. the World Health Organization estimated close to 800 million new cases in China in the next few months, with another estimate 4 million deaths and countless new strains coming out during that period. This is about protection populations, not punishing China.", ">\n\n\nStrains are spreading in the west yes, but there are new strains in China that are spreading and we don't know if our vaccines will work with those strains.\n\nYou don't know if vaccines work against any new variant even if that variant is from a country populated with white people.\n\nWe know the Chinese vaccines have a low efficacy rate and we know they are not mRNA vaccines which allow for easier adaptation to new strains. \n\nThe vaccine doesn't adapt once inside of your body you know that right?\n\nMaking travelers with a Chinese passport take Covid tests at any and all airports is not racist or even unfair \n\nit's definitely unfair and probably racist as well.\n\nhis is simply good policy from a public health measure, a\n\nA good policy would be to require vaccinations from everybody. Think about it, you are requiring a vaccine that you said doesn't even work. How much sense does that make?\n\nattribute it to a nascent American hatred for China is laughable.\n\nNascent?\n\nThis is about protection populations, not punishing China.\n\nIt's definitely about punishing china, it's a part of the current cold war with China conducted by the USA.", ">\n\n\nYou don't know if vaccines work against any new variant even if that variant is from a country populated with white people.\n\nAll the more reason to not invite more new strains into the country. White population or otherwise has nothing to do with it, expected rise in cases in China does.\n\nThe vaccine doesn't adapt once inside of your body you know that right?\n\nYou missed the point. The point i was making was that the Chinese medical system has not even approached Covid with an mRNA vaccine, and steadfastly refused to license western vaccines. If the vaccine most readily available in China has a 50% efficacy then the population is at more risk of contracting the virus and having negative results. The infection rates are increased with each new case of BA.7 (China is currently seeing each covid patient infecting on average 18 other people represented as 1:18, whereas the in US the rate is 1:3.9). Each of these factors increases the risk of developing new strains that are vaccine resistant. \n\nit's definitely unfair and probably racist as well\n\nIs it your position that nations cannot take any prescriptive action to prevent the spread of infected persons from other countries? Again i would remind you that China has basically been locked down for the last 2 years, with severe limitations to personal freedoms themselves. This is not based on race, but rather a government's inability to contain a contagious outbreak in their own country and not wanting it to spread. \n\nA good policy would be to require vaccinations from everybody. Think about it, you are requiring a vaccine that you said doesn't even work. How much sense does that make?\n\nThat might be your definition on good policy, but it isn't mine and that isn't how the west does it. \"I\" am not requiring a vaccine that \"I\" said doesn't work - that was your suggestion not mine. Also, i said the efficacy of the Chinese vaccine is 50% - based on available information - i never said it didn't work, and i never said that it should be mandatory or required.\n\nNascent?\n\nPoor and wrong word choice on my part it seems. What i meant was ascribing the US decision to require testing of Chinese travelers to racism because you believe that the US is racist is laughable. Taking a test to prove that you are covid negative is far less onerous on a traveler than most visa requirements.\n\nIt's definitely about punishing china, it's a part of the current cold war with China conducted by the USA.\n\nCite your sources. I could point to many Chinese government policies that i could say are part of the current cold war with the US without backing it up and it would be just as credible as what you said. Opinion is not a source, and not proof. You assume that the US government is racist, that this policy is racist and yet we have had travel bans imposed on other countries, as well as testing required for travelers from other countries imposed before, and other policies and so has China. For goodness sake China has been closed to foreigners for almost 3 years, and is still closed to foreign travel until January 2023. Is that a racist policy as well?", ">\n\nHere we go again.\nThis time I think I'll learn French cooking.", ">\n\n5000 People a day will have to die before Anybody says the word Lock down in the States ever again.", ">\n\nDon’t understand why people can’t handle staying at home for two weeks when it could potentially eradicate a deadly virus. Are we that weak?", ">\n\nWe did that in large part in March 2020. And did China not spend years locking down their citizens? \nPeoples savings are gone. They need to work. \nWearing a mask would do a lot to help the issue but people aren’t willing to do that anymore.", ">\n\nWe didn't do that though. We didn't all lock down when we were supposed to. Where I work I had to go in from the very start all the way through. Most people, the majority of people, didn't stay home even if they didn't have work. Most people didn't fuck with masks or keeping a distance, and even people who weren't antivaccers didn't take the vaccine seriously for the longest time. \nWe had no fucking lock down, unless you were a well-off celebrity or comedian who wanted to talk about being locked down for content. \nIf people legit locked down, they would have taken a small hit financially, but too many people didn't do shit and prolonged everything.", ">\n\nThe things is that it doesn't take long to drain peoples saving - becuase the overwhelming majority of people have practically none. \nSo an extended lockdown was never feasible unless the government was willing to pay several trillion dollars of expenses, not just 2 or 3 times but several times over.", ">\n\nI didn't dispute any of what you said. I pointed out that most people actively contested any safety measure and most people didn't actually lock down. Any extension will almost certainly be the fault of most of those people. \nI'd gladly let them all die if it meant the few people who did take things seriously didn't have to live through a Walking Dead scenario or have to take a huge financial hit because them.", ">\n\nMost people did lock down just fine initially. After a few weeks turned into a month or more, yeah people got testy.\nAdditionally, a gigantic amount of people work in critical industries and simply cant stay home. Just keeping the lights and water on requires tens of millions of workers, plus industries like plants and refineries that simply cannot shut down without massive long-term consequences.\nReddit is full of office people who can WFH, the vast majority of people cant.", ">\n\nI was one of those who couldn't stay home. Right out of the gate most people gave up on almost all of it except when they were making a show of complying when they had to. There was a lot of cheating. I walk through a lot of different areas. The waves of patients and bodies we got at work tracked with that and became predictable.", ">\n\nWhat’s that saying that ends with ”…doomed to repeat it?”", ">\n\nWhy not just require a negative test from everyone?", ">\n\nWho would you expect to pay for that?", ">\n\nGovernments or sponsors from the private sector ideally, I honestly don’t give a fuck. I’ve gotten many free tests from both and I’ve also bought some for like $8.", ">\n\n“Here we go again” from everyone in the comments. \nThe virus never stopped, we did.", ">\n\nVirus will always be there. Permanent restrictions are unsustainable", ">\n\n3 years later...\nIs this permanent?", ">\n\nI doubt there's anything that would make Republicans running in 2024 happier then Democrats advocating for a return to COVID restrictions.", ">\n\nRight? It’d be like the democrats fighting for gun control, or gay and trans rights, or safe and legal abortions. It would be political suicide to stand for something that Republicans don’t like!", ">\n\nMy understanding is that everything you listed is broadly popular or has at least a majority of American's in favor of it. A return to COVID restrictions is not in that category.", ">\n\nGun control isn’t even universally loved amongst the American left, as the hard left needs them for protection from the hard right they clash with, and the middle left does like having their guns taken as much as any middle right wing does, only mid left likes it", ">\n\nGallup has 57% of Americans feeling that in general gun laws should be more strict.", ">\n\nRegular people want kids to stop dying while in school. The problem is \"stricter laws\" is vague and no one can agree on what it means or give a serious proposal that would work, short of confiscation and bans, which are wildly unpopular.", ">\n\nVague political talking points is the best we’re going to get. Much as I’d love a Ross Perot style of breaking down every platform and promise, the general public doesn’t go for it. Buzz words are all we have the attention span for.", ">\n\nChina's COVID-19 surge raises odds of new coronavirus variants\nThings could get very ugly.", ">\n\nYou say this like covid hasn't been spreading rampantly through literally every country on the planet, mostly without any measures to stop the spread. Why does China get a different treatment and maybe countries should require tests from the US or Inida or Europe?", ">\n\nI agree. US was primarily the culprit of why COVID went rampant to begin with. We actively refused to enforce any sort of safety measures, just a mild suggestion of \"maybe wear a mask, if you want to, it's ok if you don't\" and \"we have vaccines if you want one, no pressure tho\". That was really our response to the world's deadliest pandemic.", ">\n\nWe actively made fun of zero covid approaches on reddit and now based on the comments on this thread we are suddenly pro “zero covid” approaches", ">\n\nEveryone finally watched contagion", ">\n\nSo far my 2023 bingo card is reading alooot of skull and crossbones, I think I might actually win at something next year, what does your score card look like?", ">\n\nWhen’s that $1200 going to hit my account?", ">\n\nI’m still living off mine from last time!", ">\n\nI’m still looking for mine", ">\n\nI’m waiting for that $600 bucks from Biden still, but that’s going right into my retirement!", ">\n\nYou dont get he meant to include any money you already received as well /s", ">\n\nI seem to remember campaign ads with $2000 checks.", ">\n\nYep they explicitly mentioned $2,000 checks.", ">\n\nMy comment was sarcasm but in retrospect there are so many neoliberals saying that word for word in all seriousness that I should and will add a sarcasm tag", ">\n\nThat's nice and all, but let's not act like we're not just ignoring our own COVID problems.", ">\n\n\n\"You don't have zero tolerance anymore? We can't tolerate that.\"\n\n- Country with 100% tolerance", ">\n\nWhy not require a negative COVID test from everyone entering the country? It’s like they don’t want COVID to be under control.", ">\n\nI think this is because China has a relatively low vaccination rate because they relied on lock downs. Now that lock downs are being ramped down, they are having a huge surge.", ">\n\nThe vaccination rate in China is considerably higher than the US (92% vs 81%). This is just another example of yellow peril", ">\n\nThank you for pointing this out. What I said above was wrong about the vaccination rate. I don’t know why exactly China is having a surge. 🤷‍♂️", ">\n\nTheir vaccination rate is high but their vaccine, SinoVac is based on old tech. It conveys effectively zero protection from variants when compared to all the other types of vaccines on the market.", ">\n\nYou guys are so full of shit. At 3 doses Sinovac gives the same protection as any western vaccine with boosters to help mitigate mutated variants. Stop spreading misinfo.", ">\n\n\"Does that thumbnail of someone getting tested read too much like 'screaming uselessly into the void'?\"\n\"I'm sure it'll be fine.\"", ">\n\nMaybe, just maybe they shouldnt have stopped testing airplane passengers in the first place... \nWe have cheap, readily available tests that take 10 minutes to complete. There’s really no reason not to test ever passenger before boarding...", ">\n\nEveryone I know who had Omicron tested negative until their symptoms cleared. It was evading the RATs, for some reason.", ">\n\nI tested positive on a rapid test two days after getting congested. Every teacher coworker of mine who bothered to test after getting cold symptoms also did. I think it's why so few parents now test their kids before sending time to school sick. They don't want to know so we all find out when we or our family members then test positive, missing work on their sick kids' behalf so they didn't have to. \nI have also heard the rapid test can give false negatives but anecdotal references don't mean much.", ">\n\nA day late and a dollar short. Same old song and dance.", ">\n\nWow, it’s like history literally repeating itself.", ">\n\nIndeed it is. I hope everyone is prepared for what’s next.", ">\n\nWe should require negative COVID tests for people to fly within the US, too.\nIt makes no difference to me if the person who infects me at LAX is coming in from China, or from Texas.", ">\n\nThere is a high chance anyone that comes from China has Covid right now. Low chance that someone inside America has.", ">\n\nNaw. China’s percent is much higher, sure, but it’s not like US infection rates are low. You can pretty much guarantee an infected American on every sold out domestic flight. The latest variants are super, super contagious, and it only takes one infected person to pose a serious risk to the other people sharing their space, and then all of their families and friends after they land. All flights should still require testing and masking at this point, or all we’ve really accomplished is pacifying the dimwits and xenophobes.\nI know at least 3 people who 100% contracted COVID while flying domestically in the US this last month - because they were isolated for the incubation period beforehand. They were masked the entire time they were in the airport and on the plane.", ">\n\nIf they were masked up and I assume vaccinated and still caught the virus then preventable measures like these aren’t that effective.", ">\n\nIs there a new strain of Covid that isn't in the U.S yet, otherwise what's the point.", ">\n\nUm testing should not ever stop.", ">\n\nAh shit here we go again", ">\n\n\"Who left the fridge open?\"", ">\n\nIt's \"just a cold\" unless it's a non-white person from another country carrying it.\n/s", ">\n\nChina implemented an ineffective vaccine and had 30m+ cases in one day. It’s specifically that gov. refusing to use effective vaccines", ">\n\nAnd the United States had effective vaccines that half the country is not willing to nor willing to wear masks, while complaining to other countries like China about their travel restrictions (from China and Hong Kong). And honestly I’m not oppose to a tighter restriction on China while they are experiencing a surge in new cases just as it did with any other countries that initially loosen covid restrictions, what makes me question this being race or politically motivated is the hypocrisy; people complained about China being oppressive when it was enforcing all the covid restrictions and when they loosen it “China doesn’t care about human lives”.\nSo what exactly do you want them to do?", ">\n\n\nto Require Negative Covid Tests for Travelers From China\n\nLuckily China is well known for its systemic unwillingness to fake or counterfeit things, so everything should be fine.\nhonest.", ">\n\nSeems purely retaliatory with no actual effectiveness.\nEnforcement is over a week away and presumably China has hit its peak already (flights being 40% positive)", ">\n\nThe rich rats are going to buy fake tests and jump ship breaking quarantine just like they did in the first wave. Cutting flights or enforcing quarantines is the only way to prevent this stuff from jumping oceans but god forbid anybody inhibit the jet setters.", ">\n\nHALF of the passengers on a plane from China going to Italy tested positive the other day (tested on arrival). Chances are most if not all of them had negative test results they could show that they took before they left. This won't do anything to stop people coming into the US while positive..we are going to have to go through this all over again and we won't have the same somewhat cooperative response in the US this time if it is a variant that evades immunity... It will get REALLY bad.", ">\n\nSeriously they know red states will just let them in and will never do another shut down again. So start dealt with out break countries this way to slow it down or corner it. But I see very very bad days ahead for China and Russia is starting to report out breaks too.", ">\n\nMust. When?", ">\n\nWe already require this from canada iirc\nEdit: i was wrong, canada requires it from us.", ">\n\nI hope we are talking PCR tests... those store-bought 15-minute ones struggle to get a positive if you have any sort of vaccination, even while symptomatic and miserable.", ">\n\nWell, a little bit of good news. I'll take it.", ">\n\nTravel should have been 100$ restricted a long time ago. Travel should be restricted to any country experiencing a COVID outbreak.", ">\n\nWonderful. Another round of Asian hating.", ">\n\nWho's hating on Asians? We're trying to stop this virus from killing people.", ">\n\nor… ban flights from china??", ">\n\nDoesn’t make sense in singling out China when covid is widespread in every single country", ">\n\nThe extent of covid in china atm is just absurd. Two weeks ago, they had 37 MILLION cases in one day. Think about that. Thats more people than a lot of countries! \nsource", ">\n\nI wonder why China has so much trouble with COVID compared to other countries, despite being so strict.", ">\n\nIt’s because they had the zero covid approaches that people are advocating for in this thread and they suddenly reversed course. Everyone in China is getting it so fast its likely the same variants quickly spreading in a population that suddenly reversed course. Having many people getting it over time and exposed to new generations of the virus (which is what happens over time) is more insidious but people here think thats fine", ">\n\nEveryone saying this is racist, do not pay attention to the world", ">\n\nIt was called racist and xenophobic when Trump did it. The left are hypocritical emotional wrecks.", ">\n\nnah trump was racist or did you forget he called it the “china virus” and subsequent hate crimes increased against adians", ">\n\nLet’s not change the subject. We’re talking about testing travelers from China here. Always trying to deflect.", ">\n\nIs that what he did, though? That and nothing else? This is a Fox News headline, but I bet there's a lot more to it. There usually is.\nFYI, Italy is also requiring testing of travelers from China at this time.\nBecause of the high number of cases in China at this time.", ">\n\nSo many dumb replies here. I am sad about where humankind is at.", ">\n\nRound two people", ">\n\nWe need to ramp up testing again at border.", ">\n\nChina trying to stop Covid…lol! Fail miserably at that, build a huge infected population, then unleash it on the world. Great job China /s", ">\n\nSell then the Moderna vaccine so they can treat themselves, ans end this debacle.", ">\n\nEven if US send Moderna and Phizer vaccine, China will not use it, because they boast about \"superior\" Chinese vaccine and don't want to lose face.\n​\nUntil they change their attitude, I suggest keeping restriction in place for PRC travelers.", ">\n\nOh definitely.", ">\n\nCCP exporting covid again.", ">\n\nPaywall - can anyone help me read the article? It sounds great in theory but why wait so long? That’s how this all started in 2020. Test now!", ">\n\nChina has been in quarantine until the protests. They have a very low of vaccinated people, so now everyone's breathing on each other's necks, squeezing in tight places and now introducing another pandemic. \nI believe a combination of everyone quarantined for too long and non vaccinated people are making this a very deadly spread.", ">\n\nTheir vaccination rate is not too bad, except among the elderly. But their vaccine was shit even before all the variants.\nThey've been trying to use lockdown to prevent spread and with the new variants that just won't work.\nSo yeah, they're pretty fucked.", ">\n\nVaccination rate is good, but the rate of people who are up to date on boosters is where they fall short even beyond just the elderly. It also doesn't help that the vaccine being used is overall less effective than the ones being used elsewhere like you said. Makes those booster shots many are lacking even more critical.", ">\n\nApparently Americans only get worried when it’s Chinese people spreading Covid as opposed to their own residents, citizens and Europeans.", ">\n\nseems xenophobic /s", ">\n\noh I'm sure conservatives will be very concerned about the \"freedoms\" of those travelers from China", ">\n\nHow's this going to work for the 75% of all our manufactured goods coming in from China?", ">\n\nThank God Biden is doing this if it was Trump they call him racist .", ">\n\nTrump admin did this and it was hailed as a great idea, because it was. And is.\nWho tf cares who the man or president is when it comes to health? Why are some people like this?", ">\n\nYou know that wasnt true.", ">\n\nWhy would they make a move that would indisputably send hundreds of thousands of infected into the wider world including those that may wind up being infected with a new variant or two? \nCan we at least conclude that China does not care about this possibility? Is that verboten to say?\nCan an axiomatically correct statement still result in a ban?", ">\n\nSounds kinda racist.", ">\n\nMakes absolute sense considering what's currently going on there. Canada should do the same. I'll even go as far as say suspend visas / entry from that part of the world temporarily, until they can get it under control", ">\n\nMakes sense. China is exploding with covid and who knows if/when the next bad variant develops there.", ">\n\nLmao Reddit enjoying their shut in lives so much I’d rather jump off the tallest bridge near me before going into lockdowns again.", ">\n\nXenophobia", ">\n\nXenophobic Biden", ">\n\nPeople are acting like Covid stopped spreading in the US… The US just decided to ignore it, that is until China gained more cases, and now it’s back to fear mongering Chinese people. I see that xenophobia is still alive and well in the US.", ">\n\nMy family and I caught covid during Thanksgiving after being careful for two years. Fortunately, we're all vaccinated so the symptoms didn't hit us too hard. We just got lax with being careful, but we'll probably be wearing our masks in crowded places just to be safe.", ">\n\nI never stopped wearing masks in the US while going to stores. The reality is we have had waves of Covid here in the US, and we have had different mutations of variants too.", ">\n\nThats racist. Biden should be ashamed of himself for allowing such bigotry and hatred towards our Chinese brethren.", ">\n\nThis applies to anyone traveling from China, not just the Chinese.", ">\n\nI wouldn’t think another country was rascist if the USA had a huge surge and temporarily suspended flights to:from the USA until the numbers came down.", ">\n\nSame biological warfare when westerners were entering into China in 2022?", ">\n\n50 Cent army, out in full force!", ">\n\nWhy are we letting anyone in from China?", ">\n\nCitizens and most permanent residents cannot be refused admission.", ">\n\nOh, here we go again.", ">\n\nKind of ironic seeing how the US has worse cases lmao", ">\n\nUS will keep up the bio attacks until the world complies with their foreign policy. Which is to keep China from becoming a threat to its hegemony", ">\n\nWeird how we can’t make our own citizens mask or test but we can make sure travelers from other places do \nWild how absolutely absurd the timeline we’re living in js", ">\n\nGood. We should not allow anyone from any country the opportunity to enter our country without proof.", ">\n\nIt’s not xenophobia, it’s (D)ifferent this time. Maybe if they let trump try this in the first place", ">\n\nThis just adds fuel to racist anti-Asian sentiment in the US. What about all the people on the plane with Chinese travelers who aren't Chinese? If the situation warrants testing of anyone, it warrants testing of everyone.", ">\n\nThis is just politics. Do we really want to pretend we don’t have an overwhelming amount of COVID cases right now in America? Everyone knows most people don’t test unless they’re very sick (which is rare now) and most who even do test use at home tests and don’t report the results. Can we really just not admit to ourselves as a nation that for the overwhelming majority of people COVID no longer poses a serious threat? Hospitalization, death and long COVID are statistically insignificant for healthy vaccinated individuals at this point I don’t see why anyone can see this as anymore than political posturing.", ">\n\nWelcome to the virtue signaling zone.", ">\n\nWell ??? Why wouldn't we check considering their outbreak is significant. Seriously was this a question ?", ">\n\nChina’s authoritarian regime locked down their country for years… this contained rhe virus until mass protests as well as international condemnations. So I believe Chinese govt is teaching their citizens a lesson. Let them roam free and allow international travel into the country. Let them get severely ill and die. Then they will acknowledge and apologize to the government. This type of reverse psychology isn’t new.", ">\n\nWe the People require a vigilant health care approach to our borders at the expense of [Pure Greed] from those who capitalize on what ails us\nWe the People demand all institutions do a readiness check \nAt which time We the People can demand a Meeting of the Continental Congress to address the state of our union, to reboot the principles and powers of the American Constitution and Bill of Rights, to re instate the neutral balance of power in the houses and senate of all levels of our current government[ one party control is not the operation of the United States of America 🇺🇸]", ">\n\nIf only we had this kind of foresight 3 years ago… we could have avoided this whole mess.", ">\n\nAnd Trump was called xenophobic when we asked for the same thing", ">\n\nExactly", ">\n\nWe should have another global 2020-tier lockdown period, imo. Work at home, way less flights active etc.", ">\n\nAnd millions of people, children, the most disadvantaged would die and suffer", ">\n\nI feel like they need to extend this restriction to all of Europe as well. It’s already spread outside of China.", ">\n\nSo I’m guessing it’s not racist now that Biden is doing it.", ">\n\nAgeeed", ">\n\nSome will get through. We may be in trouble.", ">\n\nIt's a racist policy. Why not ban people from Florida from traveling to the rest of the US? What's the difference?", ">\n\nThe scientific and medical community believe China is headed for another outbreak so this step is a must", ">\n\nCanadian here. I traveled from Toronto's Pearson International airport to the U S in November for Thanksgiving and the majority of travelers going through security were, I'd guess, Chinese carrying passports from that country, most not wearing masks. I don't really know if they were Canadian citizens or not but their passports definitely were not.", ">\n\nYet banning travel from China back in 2019-2020 was racist and xenophobic . No wonder the public has no confidence in the government.", ">\n\nI can’t believe the Biden admin actually went through this. They’re testing them just because they’re Chinese??? That is so racist smh", ">\n\nThis applies to anyone coming from China, not just Chinese citizens. It’s based on the ongoing outbreak, not their race.", ">\n\nWell it’s still racist to assume anyone from China is infected just because of where they’re coming from", ">\n\nIt’s not racist at all. “Coming from China” is not a race. They will test everyone on the plane regardless of demographics.", ">\n\nWhich is racist though. It’s the same thing Trump did by banning anyone coming from China. Why don’t they ban everyone coming from Japan? India? South Korea? Thailand? Etc? Why just the Chinese smh.", ">\n\nDamn that’s so racist #stopasianhate", ">\n\n2019 into 2020 all over again. \nAt least China has a strict ban on flights...\nOh", ">\n\nI don't think that's on China. I don't remember US banning any flights abroad during any of our surges?", ">\n\nI also don't remember the US being the origin of covid. \nChina has a special responsibility as a nation that fucked up and let covid grow out of control and escape its boundaries to not open up the export of viral vectors at the height of their crisis.\nCCP incompetence and mendacity has done enough already that they need to go above and beyond to keep shit as much as possible within their own borders.", ">\n\nThe fucks the point of that? They could be exposed, test negative and pop positive while they’re here or anywhere. Negative test doesn’t mean shit.", ">\n\nRayciss", ">\n\nThe government should require it for all airline passengers. Chinese travelers infected with COVID 19 are going to go to other countries too and some of those people will fly here. Likewise, there should be a requirement for all Americans going abroad so the U.S. doesn't spread COVID 19 to other countries.", ">\n\nChina the base screams, even democrats, the great enemy of this era. If England had a surge, nobody would be screaming for negative tests.", ">\n\nInconsiderate assholes" ]
> Hasn’t almost everyone in the US had it at this point? It’s like forbidding lighters in a forest that was recently burned down.
[ "People from China will travel through Europe and come in to America from the east coast like they did when the pandemic started. This will do nothing if all travelers aboard aren’t made to test.", ">\n\nLet's hope EU and other countries do the same.", ">\n\nI don't know if they will. Australia (for example) had some of the toughest Covid policies and they've essentially just thrown them all out the window.\nSo I don't know how willing countries are to go back to being overly concerned about Covid.", ">\n\nThey should be concerned w chinese, it's spreading like wildfire in china. If we aren't careful, they will come out w covid 20.", ">\n\nIt’s spreading everywhere including the USA. This policy has nothing to do with science or medicine. It’s just politics.", ">\n\nNo. It’s circulating like mad in a population of 1 billion people who haven’t been exposed before. This is how new variants come about. Every country should require negative Covid test for china at least until it cycles through the population", ">\n\n\nNo. It’s circulating like mad in a population of 1 billion people who haven’t been exposed before.\n\nIt's also spreading like mad in all the countries of the world including the USA.\n\nThis is how new variants come about. \n\nAnd they have been for years now.\n\nEvery country should require negative Covid test for china at least until it cycles through the population\n\nOnly for political reasons. There is no scientific or rational demand for this. \nI get it, you hate china, most americans hate china so just be honest and say what you really mean.", ">\n\nStrains are spreading in the west yes, but there are new strains in China that are spreading and we don't know if our vaccines will work with those strains. We know the Chinese vaccines have a low efficacy rate and we know they are not mRNA vaccines which allow for easier adaptation to new strains. Making travelers with a Chinese passport take Covid tests at any and all airports is not racist or even unfair - a reminder that China has been relatively hard to travel to for the last 2 years because they were locked down to foreign travel as well. This is simply good policy from a public health measure, and you not wanting to see that for what it is and instead attribute it to a nascent American hatred for China is laughable. the World Health Organization estimated close to 800 million new cases in China in the next few months, with another estimate 4 million deaths and countless new strains coming out during that period. This is about protection populations, not punishing China.", ">\n\n\nStrains are spreading in the west yes, but there are new strains in China that are spreading and we don't know if our vaccines will work with those strains.\n\nYou don't know if vaccines work against any new variant even if that variant is from a country populated with white people.\n\nWe know the Chinese vaccines have a low efficacy rate and we know they are not mRNA vaccines which allow for easier adaptation to new strains. \n\nThe vaccine doesn't adapt once inside of your body you know that right?\n\nMaking travelers with a Chinese passport take Covid tests at any and all airports is not racist or even unfair \n\nit's definitely unfair and probably racist as well.\n\nhis is simply good policy from a public health measure, a\n\nA good policy would be to require vaccinations from everybody. Think about it, you are requiring a vaccine that you said doesn't even work. How much sense does that make?\n\nattribute it to a nascent American hatred for China is laughable.\n\nNascent?\n\nThis is about protection populations, not punishing China.\n\nIt's definitely about punishing china, it's a part of the current cold war with China conducted by the USA.", ">\n\n\nYou don't know if vaccines work against any new variant even if that variant is from a country populated with white people.\n\nAll the more reason to not invite more new strains into the country. White population or otherwise has nothing to do with it, expected rise in cases in China does.\n\nThe vaccine doesn't adapt once inside of your body you know that right?\n\nYou missed the point. The point i was making was that the Chinese medical system has not even approached Covid with an mRNA vaccine, and steadfastly refused to license western vaccines. If the vaccine most readily available in China has a 50% efficacy then the population is at more risk of contracting the virus and having negative results. The infection rates are increased with each new case of BA.7 (China is currently seeing each covid patient infecting on average 18 other people represented as 1:18, whereas the in US the rate is 1:3.9). Each of these factors increases the risk of developing new strains that are vaccine resistant. \n\nit's definitely unfair and probably racist as well\n\nIs it your position that nations cannot take any prescriptive action to prevent the spread of infected persons from other countries? Again i would remind you that China has basically been locked down for the last 2 years, with severe limitations to personal freedoms themselves. This is not based on race, but rather a government's inability to contain a contagious outbreak in their own country and not wanting it to spread. \n\nA good policy would be to require vaccinations from everybody. Think about it, you are requiring a vaccine that you said doesn't even work. How much sense does that make?\n\nThat might be your definition on good policy, but it isn't mine and that isn't how the west does it. \"I\" am not requiring a vaccine that \"I\" said doesn't work - that was your suggestion not mine. Also, i said the efficacy of the Chinese vaccine is 50% - based on available information - i never said it didn't work, and i never said that it should be mandatory or required.\n\nNascent?\n\nPoor and wrong word choice on my part it seems. What i meant was ascribing the US decision to require testing of Chinese travelers to racism because you believe that the US is racist is laughable. Taking a test to prove that you are covid negative is far less onerous on a traveler than most visa requirements.\n\nIt's definitely about punishing china, it's a part of the current cold war with China conducted by the USA.\n\nCite your sources. I could point to many Chinese government policies that i could say are part of the current cold war with the US without backing it up and it would be just as credible as what you said. Opinion is not a source, and not proof. You assume that the US government is racist, that this policy is racist and yet we have had travel bans imposed on other countries, as well as testing required for travelers from other countries imposed before, and other policies and so has China. For goodness sake China has been closed to foreigners for almost 3 years, and is still closed to foreign travel until January 2023. Is that a racist policy as well?", ">\n\nHere we go again.\nThis time I think I'll learn French cooking.", ">\n\n5000 People a day will have to die before Anybody says the word Lock down in the States ever again.", ">\n\nDon’t understand why people can’t handle staying at home for two weeks when it could potentially eradicate a deadly virus. Are we that weak?", ">\n\nWe did that in large part in March 2020. And did China not spend years locking down their citizens? \nPeoples savings are gone. They need to work. \nWearing a mask would do a lot to help the issue but people aren’t willing to do that anymore.", ">\n\nWe didn't do that though. We didn't all lock down when we were supposed to. Where I work I had to go in from the very start all the way through. Most people, the majority of people, didn't stay home even if they didn't have work. Most people didn't fuck with masks or keeping a distance, and even people who weren't antivaccers didn't take the vaccine seriously for the longest time. \nWe had no fucking lock down, unless you were a well-off celebrity or comedian who wanted to talk about being locked down for content. \nIf people legit locked down, they would have taken a small hit financially, but too many people didn't do shit and prolonged everything.", ">\n\nThe things is that it doesn't take long to drain peoples saving - becuase the overwhelming majority of people have practically none. \nSo an extended lockdown was never feasible unless the government was willing to pay several trillion dollars of expenses, not just 2 or 3 times but several times over.", ">\n\nI didn't dispute any of what you said. I pointed out that most people actively contested any safety measure and most people didn't actually lock down. Any extension will almost certainly be the fault of most of those people. \nI'd gladly let them all die if it meant the few people who did take things seriously didn't have to live through a Walking Dead scenario or have to take a huge financial hit because them.", ">\n\nMost people did lock down just fine initially. After a few weeks turned into a month or more, yeah people got testy.\nAdditionally, a gigantic amount of people work in critical industries and simply cant stay home. Just keeping the lights and water on requires tens of millions of workers, plus industries like plants and refineries that simply cannot shut down without massive long-term consequences.\nReddit is full of office people who can WFH, the vast majority of people cant.", ">\n\nI was one of those who couldn't stay home. Right out of the gate most people gave up on almost all of it except when they were making a show of complying when they had to. There was a lot of cheating. I walk through a lot of different areas. The waves of patients and bodies we got at work tracked with that and became predictable.", ">\n\nWhat’s that saying that ends with ”…doomed to repeat it?”", ">\n\nWhy not just require a negative test from everyone?", ">\n\nWho would you expect to pay for that?", ">\n\nGovernments or sponsors from the private sector ideally, I honestly don’t give a fuck. I’ve gotten many free tests from both and I’ve also bought some for like $8.", ">\n\n“Here we go again” from everyone in the comments. \nThe virus never stopped, we did.", ">\n\nVirus will always be there. Permanent restrictions are unsustainable", ">\n\n3 years later...\nIs this permanent?", ">\n\nI doubt there's anything that would make Republicans running in 2024 happier then Democrats advocating for a return to COVID restrictions.", ">\n\nRight? It’d be like the democrats fighting for gun control, or gay and trans rights, or safe and legal abortions. It would be political suicide to stand for something that Republicans don’t like!", ">\n\nMy understanding is that everything you listed is broadly popular or has at least a majority of American's in favor of it. A return to COVID restrictions is not in that category.", ">\n\nGun control isn’t even universally loved amongst the American left, as the hard left needs them for protection from the hard right they clash with, and the middle left does like having their guns taken as much as any middle right wing does, only mid left likes it", ">\n\nGallup has 57% of Americans feeling that in general gun laws should be more strict.", ">\n\nRegular people want kids to stop dying while in school. The problem is \"stricter laws\" is vague and no one can agree on what it means or give a serious proposal that would work, short of confiscation and bans, which are wildly unpopular.", ">\n\nVague political talking points is the best we’re going to get. Much as I’d love a Ross Perot style of breaking down every platform and promise, the general public doesn’t go for it. Buzz words are all we have the attention span for.", ">\n\nChina's COVID-19 surge raises odds of new coronavirus variants\nThings could get very ugly.", ">\n\nYou say this like covid hasn't been spreading rampantly through literally every country on the planet, mostly without any measures to stop the spread. Why does China get a different treatment and maybe countries should require tests from the US or Inida or Europe?", ">\n\nI agree. US was primarily the culprit of why COVID went rampant to begin with. We actively refused to enforce any sort of safety measures, just a mild suggestion of \"maybe wear a mask, if you want to, it's ok if you don't\" and \"we have vaccines if you want one, no pressure tho\". That was really our response to the world's deadliest pandemic.", ">\n\nWe actively made fun of zero covid approaches on reddit and now based on the comments on this thread we are suddenly pro “zero covid” approaches", ">\n\nEveryone finally watched contagion", ">\n\nSo far my 2023 bingo card is reading alooot of skull and crossbones, I think I might actually win at something next year, what does your score card look like?", ">\n\nWhen’s that $1200 going to hit my account?", ">\n\nI’m still living off mine from last time!", ">\n\nI’m still looking for mine", ">\n\nI’m waiting for that $600 bucks from Biden still, but that’s going right into my retirement!", ">\n\nYou dont get he meant to include any money you already received as well /s", ">\n\nI seem to remember campaign ads with $2000 checks.", ">\n\nYep they explicitly mentioned $2,000 checks.", ">\n\nMy comment was sarcasm but in retrospect there are so many neoliberals saying that word for word in all seriousness that I should and will add a sarcasm tag", ">\n\nThat's nice and all, but let's not act like we're not just ignoring our own COVID problems.", ">\n\n\n\"You don't have zero tolerance anymore? We can't tolerate that.\"\n\n- Country with 100% tolerance", ">\n\nWhy not require a negative COVID test from everyone entering the country? It’s like they don’t want COVID to be under control.", ">\n\nI think this is because China has a relatively low vaccination rate because they relied on lock downs. Now that lock downs are being ramped down, they are having a huge surge.", ">\n\nThe vaccination rate in China is considerably higher than the US (92% vs 81%). This is just another example of yellow peril", ">\n\nThank you for pointing this out. What I said above was wrong about the vaccination rate. I don’t know why exactly China is having a surge. 🤷‍♂️", ">\n\nTheir vaccination rate is high but their vaccine, SinoVac is based on old tech. It conveys effectively zero protection from variants when compared to all the other types of vaccines on the market.", ">\n\nYou guys are so full of shit. At 3 doses Sinovac gives the same protection as any western vaccine with boosters to help mitigate mutated variants. Stop spreading misinfo.", ">\n\n\"Does that thumbnail of someone getting tested read too much like 'screaming uselessly into the void'?\"\n\"I'm sure it'll be fine.\"", ">\n\nMaybe, just maybe they shouldnt have stopped testing airplane passengers in the first place... \nWe have cheap, readily available tests that take 10 minutes to complete. There’s really no reason not to test ever passenger before boarding...", ">\n\nEveryone I know who had Omicron tested negative until their symptoms cleared. It was evading the RATs, for some reason.", ">\n\nI tested positive on a rapid test two days after getting congested. Every teacher coworker of mine who bothered to test after getting cold symptoms also did. I think it's why so few parents now test their kids before sending time to school sick. They don't want to know so we all find out when we or our family members then test positive, missing work on their sick kids' behalf so they didn't have to. \nI have also heard the rapid test can give false negatives but anecdotal references don't mean much.", ">\n\nA day late and a dollar short. Same old song and dance.", ">\n\nWow, it’s like history literally repeating itself.", ">\n\nIndeed it is. I hope everyone is prepared for what’s next.", ">\n\nWe should require negative COVID tests for people to fly within the US, too.\nIt makes no difference to me if the person who infects me at LAX is coming in from China, or from Texas.", ">\n\nThere is a high chance anyone that comes from China has Covid right now. Low chance that someone inside America has.", ">\n\nNaw. China’s percent is much higher, sure, but it’s not like US infection rates are low. You can pretty much guarantee an infected American on every sold out domestic flight. The latest variants are super, super contagious, and it only takes one infected person to pose a serious risk to the other people sharing their space, and then all of their families and friends after they land. All flights should still require testing and masking at this point, or all we’ve really accomplished is pacifying the dimwits and xenophobes.\nI know at least 3 people who 100% contracted COVID while flying domestically in the US this last month - because they were isolated for the incubation period beforehand. They were masked the entire time they were in the airport and on the plane.", ">\n\nIf they were masked up and I assume vaccinated and still caught the virus then preventable measures like these aren’t that effective.", ">\n\nIs there a new strain of Covid that isn't in the U.S yet, otherwise what's the point.", ">\n\nUm testing should not ever stop.", ">\n\nAh shit here we go again", ">\n\n\"Who left the fridge open?\"", ">\n\nIt's \"just a cold\" unless it's a non-white person from another country carrying it.\n/s", ">\n\nChina implemented an ineffective vaccine and had 30m+ cases in one day. It’s specifically that gov. refusing to use effective vaccines", ">\n\nAnd the United States had effective vaccines that half the country is not willing to nor willing to wear masks, while complaining to other countries like China about their travel restrictions (from China and Hong Kong). And honestly I’m not oppose to a tighter restriction on China while they are experiencing a surge in new cases just as it did with any other countries that initially loosen covid restrictions, what makes me question this being race or politically motivated is the hypocrisy; people complained about China being oppressive when it was enforcing all the covid restrictions and when they loosen it “China doesn’t care about human lives”.\nSo what exactly do you want them to do?", ">\n\n\nto Require Negative Covid Tests for Travelers From China\n\nLuckily China is well known for its systemic unwillingness to fake or counterfeit things, so everything should be fine.\nhonest.", ">\n\nSeems purely retaliatory with no actual effectiveness.\nEnforcement is over a week away and presumably China has hit its peak already (flights being 40% positive)", ">\n\nThe rich rats are going to buy fake tests and jump ship breaking quarantine just like they did in the first wave. Cutting flights or enforcing quarantines is the only way to prevent this stuff from jumping oceans but god forbid anybody inhibit the jet setters.", ">\n\nHALF of the passengers on a plane from China going to Italy tested positive the other day (tested on arrival). Chances are most if not all of them had negative test results they could show that they took before they left. This won't do anything to stop people coming into the US while positive..we are going to have to go through this all over again and we won't have the same somewhat cooperative response in the US this time if it is a variant that evades immunity... It will get REALLY bad.", ">\n\nSeriously they know red states will just let them in and will never do another shut down again. So start dealt with out break countries this way to slow it down or corner it. But I see very very bad days ahead for China and Russia is starting to report out breaks too.", ">\n\nMust. When?", ">\n\nWe already require this from canada iirc\nEdit: i was wrong, canada requires it from us.", ">\n\nI hope we are talking PCR tests... those store-bought 15-minute ones struggle to get a positive if you have any sort of vaccination, even while symptomatic and miserable.", ">\n\nWell, a little bit of good news. I'll take it.", ">\n\nTravel should have been 100$ restricted a long time ago. Travel should be restricted to any country experiencing a COVID outbreak.", ">\n\nWonderful. Another round of Asian hating.", ">\n\nWho's hating on Asians? We're trying to stop this virus from killing people.", ">\n\nor… ban flights from china??", ">\n\nDoesn’t make sense in singling out China when covid is widespread in every single country", ">\n\nThe extent of covid in china atm is just absurd. Two weeks ago, they had 37 MILLION cases in one day. Think about that. Thats more people than a lot of countries! \nsource", ">\n\nI wonder why China has so much trouble with COVID compared to other countries, despite being so strict.", ">\n\nIt’s because they had the zero covid approaches that people are advocating for in this thread and they suddenly reversed course. Everyone in China is getting it so fast its likely the same variants quickly spreading in a population that suddenly reversed course. Having many people getting it over time and exposed to new generations of the virus (which is what happens over time) is more insidious but people here think thats fine", ">\n\nEveryone saying this is racist, do not pay attention to the world", ">\n\nIt was called racist and xenophobic when Trump did it. The left are hypocritical emotional wrecks.", ">\n\nnah trump was racist or did you forget he called it the “china virus” and subsequent hate crimes increased against adians", ">\n\nLet’s not change the subject. We’re talking about testing travelers from China here. Always trying to deflect.", ">\n\nIs that what he did, though? That and nothing else? This is a Fox News headline, but I bet there's a lot more to it. There usually is.\nFYI, Italy is also requiring testing of travelers from China at this time.\nBecause of the high number of cases in China at this time.", ">\n\nSo many dumb replies here. I am sad about where humankind is at.", ">\n\nRound two people", ">\n\nWe need to ramp up testing again at border.", ">\n\nChina trying to stop Covid…lol! Fail miserably at that, build a huge infected population, then unleash it on the world. Great job China /s", ">\n\nSell then the Moderna vaccine so they can treat themselves, ans end this debacle.", ">\n\nEven if US send Moderna and Phizer vaccine, China will not use it, because they boast about \"superior\" Chinese vaccine and don't want to lose face.\n​\nUntil they change their attitude, I suggest keeping restriction in place for PRC travelers.", ">\n\nOh definitely.", ">\n\nCCP exporting covid again.", ">\n\nPaywall - can anyone help me read the article? It sounds great in theory but why wait so long? That’s how this all started in 2020. Test now!", ">\n\nChina has been in quarantine until the protests. They have a very low of vaccinated people, so now everyone's breathing on each other's necks, squeezing in tight places and now introducing another pandemic. \nI believe a combination of everyone quarantined for too long and non vaccinated people are making this a very deadly spread.", ">\n\nTheir vaccination rate is not too bad, except among the elderly. But their vaccine was shit even before all the variants.\nThey've been trying to use lockdown to prevent spread and with the new variants that just won't work.\nSo yeah, they're pretty fucked.", ">\n\nVaccination rate is good, but the rate of people who are up to date on boosters is where they fall short even beyond just the elderly. It also doesn't help that the vaccine being used is overall less effective than the ones being used elsewhere like you said. Makes those booster shots many are lacking even more critical.", ">\n\nApparently Americans only get worried when it’s Chinese people spreading Covid as opposed to their own residents, citizens and Europeans.", ">\n\nseems xenophobic /s", ">\n\noh I'm sure conservatives will be very concerned about the \"freedoms\" of those travelers from China", ">\n\nHow's this going to work for the 75% of all our manufactured goods coming in from China?", ">\n\nThank God Biden is doing this if it was Trump they call him racist .", ">\n\nTrump admin did this and it was hailed as a great idea, because it was. And is.\nWho tf cares who the man or president is when it comes to health? Why are some people like this?", ">\n\nYou know that wasnt true.", ">\n\nWhy would they make a move that would indisputably send hundreds of thousands of infected into the wider world including those that may wind up being infected with a new variant or two? \nCan we at least conclude that China does not care about this possibility? Is that verboten to say?\nCan an axiomatically correct statement still result in a ban?", ">\n\nSounds kinda racist.", ">\n\nMakes absolute sense considering what's currently going on there. Canada should do the same. I'll even go as far as say suspend visas / entry from that part of the world temporarily, until they can get it under control", ">\n\nMakes sense. China is exploding with covid and who knows if/when the next bad variant develops there.", ">\n\nLmao Reddit enjoying their shut in lives so much I’d rather jump off the tallest bridge near me before going into lockdowns again.", ">\n\nXenophobia", ">\n\nXenophobic Biden", ">\n\nPeople are acting like Covid stopped spreading in the US… The US just decided to ignore it, that is until China gained more cases, and now it’s back to fear mongering Chinese people. I see that xenophobia is still alive and well in the US.", ">\n\nMy family and I caught covid during Thanksgiving after being careful for two years. Fortunately, we're all vaccinated so the symptoms didn't hit us too hard. We just got lax with being careful, but we'll probably be wearing our masks in crowded places just to be safe.", ">\n\nI never stopped wearing masks in the US while going to stores. The reality is we have had waves of Covid here in the US, and we have had different mutations of variants too.", ">\n\nThats racist. Biden should be ashamed of himself for allowing such bigotry and hatred towards our Chinese brethren.", ">\n\nThis applies to anyone traveling from China, not just the Chinese.", ">\n\nI wouldn’t think another country was rascist if the USA had a huge surge and temporarily suspended flights to:from the USA until the numbers came down.", ">\n\nSame biological warfare when westerners were entering into China in 2022?", ">\n\n50 Cent army, out in full force!", ">\n\nWhy are we letting anyone in from China?", ">\n\nCitizens and most permanent residents cannot be refused admission.", ">\n\nOh, here we go again.", ">\n\nKind of ironic seeing how the US has worse cases lmao", ">\n\nUS will keep up the bio attacks until the world complies with their foreign policy. Which is to keep China from becoming a threat to its hegemony", ">\n\nWeird how we can’t make our own citizens mask or test but we can make sure travelers from other places do \nWild how absolutely absurd the timeline we’re living in js", ">\n\nGood. We should not allow anyone from any country the opportunity to enter our country without proof.", ">\n\nIt’s not xenophobia, it’s (D)ifferent this time. Maybe if they let trump try this in the first place", ">\n\nThis just adds fuel to racist anti-Asian sentiment in the US. What about all the people on the plane with Chinese travelers who aren't Chinese? If the situation warrants testing of anyone, it warrants testing of everyone.", ">\n\nThis is just politics. Do we really want to pretend we don’t have an overwhelming amount of COVID cases right now in America? Everyone knows most people don’t test unless they’re very sick (which is rare now) and most who even do test use at home tests and don’t report the results. Can we really just not admit to ourselves as a nation that for the overwhelming majority of people COVID no longer poses a serious threat? Hospitalization, death and long COVID are statistically insignificant for healthy vaccinated individuals at this point I don’t see why anyone can see this as anymore than political posturing.", ">\n\nWelcome to the virtue signaling zone.", ">\n\nWell ??? Why wouldn't we check considering their outbreak is significant. Seriously was this a question ?", ">\n\nChina’s authoritarian regime locked down their country for years… this contained rhe virus until mass protests as well as international condemnations. So I believe Chinese govt is teaching their citizens a lesson. Let them roam free and allow international travel into the country. Let them get severely ill and die. Then they will acknowledge and apologize to the government. This type of reverse psychology isn’t new.", ">\n\nWe the People require a vigilant health care approach to our borders at the expense of [Pure Greed] from those who capitalize on what ails us\nWe the People demand all institutions do a readiness check \nAt which time We the People can demand a Meeting of the Continental Congress to address the state of our union, to reboot the principles and powers of the American Constitution and Bill of Rights, to re instate the neutral balance of power in the houses and senate of all levels of our current government[ one party control is not the operation of the United States of America 🇺🇸]", ">\n\nIf only we had this kind of foresight 3 years ago… we could have avoided this whole mess.", ">\n\nAnd Trump was called xenophobic when we asked for the same thing", ">\n\nExactly", ">\n\nWe should have another global 2020-tier lockdown period, imo. Work at home, way less flights active etc.", ">\n\nAnd millions of people, children, the most disadvantaged would die and suffer", ">\n\nI feel like they need to extend this restriction to all of Europe as well. It’s already spread outside of China.", ">\n\nSo I’m guessing it’s not racist now that Biden is doing it.", ">\n\nAgeeed", ">\n\nSome will get through. We may be in trouble.", ">\n\nIt's a racist policy. Why not ban people from Florida from traveling to the rest of the US? What's the difference?", ">\n\nThe scientific and medical community believe China is headed for another outbreak so this step is a must", ">\n\nCanadian here. I traveled from Toronto's Pearson International airport to the U S in November for Thanksgiving and the majority of travelers going through security were, I'd guess, Chinese carrying passports from that country, most not wearing masks. I don't really know if they were Canadian citizens or not but their passports definitely were not.", ">\n\nYet banning travel from China back in 2019-2020 was racist and xenophobic . No wonder the public has no confidence in the government.", ">\n\nI can’t believe the Biden admin actually went through this. They’re testing them just because they’re Chinese??? That is so racist smh", ">\n\nThis applies to anyone coming from China, not just Chinese citizens. It’s based on the ongoing outbreak, not their race.", ">\n\nWell it’s still racist to assume anyone from China is infected just because of where they’re coming from", ">\n\nIt’s not racist at all. “Coming from China” is not a race. They will test everyone on the plane regardless of demographics.", ">\n\nWhich is racist though. It’s the same thing Trump did by banning anyone coming from China. Why don’t they ban everyone coming from Japan? India? South Korea? Thailand? Etc? Why just the Chinese smh.", ">\n\nDamn that’s so racist #stopasianhate", ">\n\n2019 into 2020 all over again. \nAt least China has a strict ban on flights...\nOh", ">\n\nI don't think that's on China. I don't remember US banning any flights abroad during any of our surges?", ">\n\nI also don't remember the US being the origin of covid. \nChina has a special responsibility as a nation that fucked up and let covid grow out of control and escape its boundaries to not open up the export of viral vectors at the height of their crisis.\nCCP incompetence and mendacity has done enough already that they need to go above and beyond to keep shit as much as possible within their own borders.", ">\n\nThe fucks the point of that? They could be exposed, test negative and pop positive while they’re here or anywhere. Negative test doesn’t mean shit.", ">\n\nRayciss", ">\n\nThe government should require it for all airline passengers. Chinese travelers infected with COVID 19 are going to go to other countries too and some of those people will fly here. Likewise, there should be a requirement for all Americans going abroad so the U.S. doesn't spread COVID 19 to other countries.", ">\n\nChina the base screams, even democrats, the great enemy of this era. If England had a surge, nobody would be screaming for negative tests.", ">\n\nInconsiderate assholes", ">\n\nThat’s racist and anti Asian" ]
> Stop Asian Hate?
[ "People from China will travel through Europe and come in to America from the east coast like they did when the pandemic started. This will do nothing if all travelers aboard aren’t made to test.", ">\n\nLet's hope EU and other countries do the same.", ">\n\nI don't know if they will. Australia (for example) had some of the toughest Covid policies and they've essentially just thrown them all out the window.\nSo I don't know how willing countries are to go back to being overly concerned about Covid.", ">\n\nThey should be concerned w chinese, it's spreading like wildfire in china. If we aren't careful, they will come out w covid 20.", ">\n\nIt’s spreading everywhere including the USA. This policy has nothing to do with science or medicine. It’s just politics.", ">\n\nNo. It’s circulating like mad in a population of 1 billion people who haven’t been exposed before. This is how new variants come about. Every country should require negative Covid test for china at least until it cycles through the population", ">\n\n\nNo. It’s circulating like mad in a population of 1 billion people who haven’t been exposed before.\n\nIt's also spreading like mad in all the countries of the world including the USA.\n\nThis is how new variants come about. \n\nAnd they have been for years now.\n\nEvery country should require negative Covid test for china at least until it cycles through the population\n\nOnly for political reasons. There is no scientific or rational demand for this. \nI get it, you hate china, most americans hate china so just be honest and say what you really mean.", ">\n\nStrains are spreading in the west yes, but there are new strains in China that are spreading and we don't know if our vaccines will work with those strains. We know the Chinese vaccines have a low efficacy rate and we know they are not mRNA vaccines which allow for easier adaptation to new strains. Making travelers with a Chinese passport take Covid tests at any and all airports is not racist or even unfair - a reminder that China has been relatively hard to travel to for the last 2 years because they were locked down to foreign travel as well. This is simply good policy from a public health measure, and you not wanting to see that for what it is and instead attribute it to a nascent American hatred for China is laughable. the World Health Organization estimated close to 800 million new cases in China in the next few months, with another estimate 4 million deaths and countless new strains coming out during that period. This is about protection populations, not punishing China.", ">\n\n\nStrains are spreading in the west yes, but there are new strains in China that are spreading and we don't know if our vaccines will work with those strains.\n\nYou don't know if vaccines work against any new variant even if that variant is from a country populated with white people.\n\nWe know the Chinese vaccines have a low efficacy rate and we know they are not mRNA vaccines which allow for easier adaptation to new strains. \n\nThe vaccine doesn't adapt once inside of your body you know that right?\n\nMaking travelers with a Chinese passport take Covid tests at any and all airports is not racist or even unfair \n\nit's definitely unfair and probably racist as well.\n\nhis is simply good policy from a public health measure, a\n\nA good policy would be to require vaccinations from everybody. Think about it, you are requiring a vaccine that you said doesn't even work. How much sense does that make?\n\nattribute it to a nascent American hatred for China is laughable.\n\nNascent?\n\nThis is about protection populations, not punishing China.\n\nIt's definitely about punishing china, it's a part of the current cold war with China conducted by the USA.", ">\n\n\nYou don't know if vaccines work against any new variant even if that variant is from a country populated with white people.\n\nAll the more reason to not invite more new strains into the country. White population or otherwise has nothing to do with it, expected rise in cases in China does.\n\nThe vaccine doesn't adapt once inside of your body you know that right?\n\nYou missed the point. The point i was making was that the Chinese medical system has not even approached Covid with an mRNA vaccine, and steadfastly refused to license western vaccines. If the vaccine most readily available in China has a 50% efficacy then the population is at more risk of contracting the virus and having negative results. The infection rates are increased with each new case of BA.7 (China is currently seeing each covid patient infecting on average 18 other people represented as 1:18, whereas the in US the rate is 1:3.9). Each of these factors increases the risk of developing new strains that are vaccine resistant. \n\nit's definitely unfair and probably racist as well\n\nIs it your position that nations cannot take any prescriptive action to prevent the spread of infected persons from other countries? Again i would remind you that China has basically been locked down for the last 2 years, with severe limitations to personal freedoms themselves. This is not based on race, but rather a government's inability to contain a contagious outbreak in their own country and not wanting it to spread. \n\nA good policy would be to require vaccinations from everybody. Think about it, you are requiring a vaccine that you said doesn't even work. How much sense does that make?\n\nThat might be your definition on good policy, but it isn't mine and that isn't how the west does it. \"I\" am not requiring a vaccine that \"I\" said doesn't work - that was your suggestion not mine. Also, i said the efficacy of the Chinese vaccine is 50% - based on available information - i never said it didn't work, and i never said that it should be mandatory or required.\n\nNascent?\n\nPoor and wrong word choice on my part it seems. What i meant was ascribing the US decision to require testing of Chinese travelers to racism because you believe that the US is racist is laughable. Taking a test to prove that you are covid negative is far less onerous on a traveler than most visa requirements.\n\nIt's definitely about punishing china, it's a part of the current cold war with China conducted by the USA.\n\nCite your sources. I could point to many Chinese government policies that i could say are part of the current cold war with the US without backing it up and it would be just as credible as what you said. Opinion is not a source, and not proof. You assume that the US government is racist, that this policy is racist and yet we have had travel bans imposed on other countries, as well as testing required for travelers from other countries imposed before, and other policies and so has China. For goodness sake China has been closed to foreigners for almost 3 years, and is still closed to foreign travel until January 2023. Is that a racist policy as well?", ">\n\nHere we go again.\nThis time I think I'll learn French cooking.", ">\n\n5000 People a day will have to die before Anybody says the word Lock down in the States ever again.", ">\n\nDon’t understand why people can’t handle staying at home for two weeks when it could potentially eradicate a deadly virus. Are we that weak?", ">\n\nWe did that in large part in March 2020. And did China not spend years locking down their citizens? \nPeoples savings are gone. They need to work. \nWearing a mask would do a lot to help the issue but people aren’t willing to do that anymore.", ">\n\nWe didn't do that though. We didn't all lock down when we were supposed to. Where I work I had to go in from the very start all the way through. Most people, the majority of people, didn't stay home even if they didn't have work. Most people didn't fuck with masks or keeping a distance, and even people who weren't antivaccers didn't take the vaccine seriously for the longest time. \nWe had no fucking lock down, unless you were a well-off celebrity or comedian who wanted to talk about being locked down for content. \nIf people legit locked down, they would have taken a small hit financially, but too many people didn't do shit and prolonged everything.", ">\n\nThe things is that it doesn't take long to drain peoples saving - becuase the overwhelming majority of people have practically none. \nSo an extended lockdown was never feasible unless the government was willing to pay several trillion dollars of expenses, not just 2 or 3 times but several times over.", ">\n\nI didn't dispute any of what you said. I pointed out that most people actively contested any safety measure and most people didn't actually lock down. Any extension will almost certainly be the fault of most of those people. \nI'd gladly let them all die if it meant the few people who did take things seriously didn't have to live through a Walking Dead scenario or have to take a huge financial hit because them.", ">\n\nMost people did lock down just fine initially. After a few weeks turned into a month or more, yeah people got testy.\nAdditionally, a gigantic amount of people work in critical industries and simply cant stay home. Just keeping the lights and water on requires tens of millions of workers, plus industries like plants and refineries that simply cannot shut down without massive long-term consequences.\nReddit is full of office people who can WFH, the vast majority of people cant.", ">\n\nI was one of those who couldn't stay home. Right out of the gate most people gave up on almost all of it except when they were making a show of complying when they had to. There was a lot of cheating. I walk through a lot of different areas. The waves of patients and bodies we got at work tracked with that and became predictable.", ">\n\nWhat’s that saying that ends with ”…doomed to repeat it?”", ">\n\nWhy not just require a negative test from everyone?", ">\n\nWho would you expect to pay for that?", ">\n\nGovernments or sponsors from the private sector ideally, I honestly don’t give a fuck. I’ve gotten many free tests from both and I’ve also bought some for like $8.", ">\n\n“Here we go again” from everyone in the comments. \nThe virus never stopped, we did.", ">\n\nVirus will always be there. Permanent restrictions are unsustainable", ">\n\n3 years later...\nIs this permanent?", ">\n\nI doubt there's anything that would make Republicans running in 2024 happier then Democrats advocating for a return to COVID restrictions.", ">\n\nRight? It’d be like the democrats fighting for gun control, or gay and trans rights, or safe and legal abortions. It would be political suicide to stand for something that Republicans don’t like!", ">\n\nMy understanding is that everything you listed is broadly popular or has at least a majority of American's in favor of it. A return to COVID restrictions is not in that category.", ">\n\nGun control isn’t even universally loved amongst the American left, as the hard left needs them for protection from the hard right they clash with, and the middle left does like having their guns taken as much as any middle right wing does, only mid left likes it", ">\n\nGallup has 57% of Americans feeling that in general gun laws should be more strict.", ">\n\nRegular people want kids to stop dying while in school. The problem is \"stricter laws\" is vague and no one can agree on what it means or give a serious proposal that would work, short of confiscation and bans, which are wildly unpopular.", ">\n\nVague political talking points is the best we’re going to get. Much as I’d love a Ross Perot style of breaking down every platform and promise, the general public doesn’t go for it. Buzz words are all we have the attention span for.", ">\n\nChina's COVID-19 surge raises odds of new coronavirus variants\nThings could get very ugly.", ">\n\nYou say this like covid hasn't been spreading rampantly through literally every country on the planet, mostly without any measures to stop the spread. Why does China get a different treatment and maybe countries should require tests from the US or Inida or Europe?", ">\n\nI agree. US was primarily the culprit of why COVID went rampant to begin with. We actively refused to enforce any sort of safety measures, just a mild suggestion of \"maybe wear a mask, if you want to, it's ok if you don't\" and \"we have vaccines if you want one, no pressure tho\". That was really our response to the world's deadliest pandemic.", ">\n\nWe actively made fun of zero covid approaches on reddit and now based on the comments on this thread we are suddenly pro “zero covid” approaches", ">\n\nEveryone finally watched contagion", ">\n\nSo far my 2023 bingo card is reading alooot of skull and crossbones, I think I might actually win at something next year, what does your score card look like?", ">\n\nWhen’s that $1200 going to hit my account?", ">\n\nI’m still living off mine from last time!", ">\n\nI’m still looking for mine", ">\n\nI’m waiting for that $600 bucks from Biden still, but that’s going right into my retirement!", ">\n\nYou dont get he meant to include any money you already received as well /s", ">\n\nI seem to remember campaign ads with $2000 checks.", ">\n\nYep they explicitly mentioned $2,000 checks.", ">\n\nMy comment was sarcasm but in retrospect there are so many neoliberals saying that word for word in all seriousness that I should and will add a sarcasm tag", ">\n\nThat's nice and all, but let's not act like we're not just ignoring our own COVID problems.", ">\n\n\n\"You don't have zero tolerance anymore? We can't tolerate that.\"\n\n- Country with 100% tolerance", ">\n\nWhy not require a negative COVID test from everyone entering the country? It’s like they don’t want COVID to be under control.", ">\n\nI think this is because China has a relatively low vaccination rate because they relied on lock downs. Now that lock downs are being ramped down, they are having a huge surge.", ">\n\nThe vaccination rate in China is considerably higher than the US (92% vs 81%). This is just another example of yellow peril", ">\n\nThank you for pointing this out. What I said above was wrong about the vaccination rate. I don’t know why exactly China is having a surge. 🤷‍♂️", ">\n\nTheir vaccination rate is high but their vaccine, SinoVac is based on old tech. It conveys effectively zero protection from variants when compared to all the other types of vaccines on the market.", ">\n\nYou guys are so full of shit. At 3 doses Sinovac gives the same protection as any western vaccine with boosters to help mitigate mutated variants. Stop spreading misinfo.", ">\n\n\"Does that thumbnail of someone getting tested read too much like 'screaming uselessly into the void'?\"\n\"I'm sure it'll be fine.\"", ">\n\nMaybe, just maybe they shouldnt have stopped testing airplane passengers in the first place... \nWe have cheap, readily available tests that take 10 minutes to complete. There’s really no reason not to test ever passenger before boarding...", ">\n\nEveryone I know who had Omicron tested negative until their symptoms cleared. It was evading the RATs, for some reason.", ">\n\nI tested positive on a rapid test two days after getting congested. Every teacher coworker of mine who bothered to test after getting cold symptoms also did. I think it's why so few parents now test their kids before sending time to school sick. They don't want to know so we all find out when we or our family members then test positive, missing work on their sick kids' behalf so they didn't have to. \nI have also heard the rapid test can give false negatives but anecdotal references don't mean much.", ">\n\nA day late and a dollar short. Same old song and dance.", ">\n\nWow, it’s like history literally repeating itself.", ">\n\nIndeed it is. I hope everyone is prepared for what’s next.", ">\n\nWe should require negative COVID tests for people to fly within the US, too.\nIt makes no difference to me if the person who infects me at LAX is coming in from China, or from Texas.", ">\n\nThere is a high chance anyone that comes from China has Covid right now. Low chance that someone inside America has.", ">\n\nNaw. China’s percent is much higher, sure, but it’s not like US infection rates are low. You can pretty much guarantee an infected American on every sold out domestic flight. The latest variants are super, super contagious, and it only takes one infected person to pose a serious risk to the other people sharing their space, and then all of their families and friends after they land. All flights should still require testing and masking at this point, or all we’ve really accomplished is pacifying the dimwits and xenophobes.\nI know at least 3 people who 100% contracted COVID while flying domestically in the US this last month - because they were isolated for the incubation period beforehand. They were masked the entire time they were in the airport and on the plane.", ">\n\nIf they were masked up and I assume vaccinated and still caught the virus then preventable measures like these aren’t that effective.", ">\n\nIs there a new strain of Covid that isn't in the U.S yet, otherwise what's the point.", ">\n\nUm testing should not ever stop.", ">\n\nAh shit here we go again", ">\n\n\"Who left the fridge open?\"", ">\n\nIt's \"just a cold\" unless it's a non-white person from another country carrying it.\n/s", ">\n\nChina implemented an ineffective vaccine and had 30m+ cases in one day. It’s specifically that gov. refusing to use effective vaccines", ">\n\nAnd the United States had effective vaccines that half the country is not willing to nor willing to wear masks, while complaining to other countries like China about their travel restrictions (from China and Hong Kong). And honestly I’m not oppose to a tighter restriction on China while they are experiencing a surge in new cases just as it did with any other countries that initially loosen covid restrictions, what makes me question this being race or politically motivated is the hypocrisy; people complained about China being oppressive when it was enforcing all the covid restrictions and when they loosen it “China doesn’t care about human lives”.\nSo what exactly do you want them to do?", ">\n\n\nto Require Negative Covid Tests for Travelers From China\n\nLuckily China is well known for its systemic unwillingness to fake or counterfeit things, so everything should be fine.\nhonest.", ">\n\nSeems purely retaliatory with no actual effectiveness.\nEnforcement is over a week away and presumably China has hit its peak already (flights being 40% positive)", ">\n\nThe rich rats are going to buy fake tests and jump ship breaking quarantine just like they did in the first wave. Cutting flights or enforcing quarantines is the only way to prevent this stuff from jumping oceans but god forbid anybody inhibit the jet setters.", ">\n\nHALF of the passengers on a plane from China going to Italy tested positive the other day (tested on arrival). Chances are most if not all of them had negative test results they could show that they took before they left. This won't do anything to stop people coming into the US while positive..we are going to have to go through this all over again and we won't have the same somewhat cooperative response in the US this time if it is a variant that evades immunity... It will get REALLY bad.", ">\n\nSeriously they know red states will just let them in and will never do another shut down again. So start dealt with out break countries this way to slow it down or corner it. But I see very very bad days ahead for China and Russia is starting to report out breaks too.", ">\n\nMust. When?", ">\n\nWe already require this from canada iirc\nEdit: i was wrong, canada requires it from us.", ">\n\nI hope we are talking PCR tests... those store-bought 15-minute ones struggle to get a positive if you have any sort of vaccination, even while symptomatic and miserable.", ">\n\nWell, a little bit of good news. I'll take it.", ">\n\nTravel should have been 100$ restricted a long time ago. Travel should be restricted to any country experiencing a COVID outbreak.", ">\n\nWonderful. Another round of Asian hating.", ">\n\nWho's hating on Asians? We're trying to stop this virus from killing people.", ">\n\nor… ban flights from china??", ">\n\nDoesn’t make sense in singling out China when covid is widespread in every single country", ">\n\nThe extent of covid in china atm is just absurd. Two weeks ago, they had 37 MILLION cases in one day. Think about that. Thats more people than a lot of countries! \nsource", ">\n\nI wonder why China has so much trouble with COVID compared to other countries, despite being so strict.", ">\n\nIt’s because they had the zero covid approaches that people are advocating for in this thread and they suddenly reversed course. Everyone in China is getting it so fast its likely the same variants quickly spreading in a population that suddenly reversed course. Having many people getting it over time and exposed to new generations of the virus (which is what happens over time) is more insidious but people here think thats fine", ">\n\nEveryone saying this is racist, do not pay attention to the world", ">\n\nIt was called racist and xenophobic when Trump did it. The left are hypocritical emotional wrecks.", ">\n\nnah trump was racist or did you forget he called it the “china virus” and subsequent hate crimes increased against adians", ">\n\nLet’s not change the subject. We’re talking about testing travelers from China here. Always trying to deflect.", ">\n\nIs that what he did, though? That and nothing else? This is a Fox News headline, but I bet there's a lot more to it. There usually is.\nFYI, Italy is also requiring testing of travelers from China at this time.\nBecause of the high number of cases in China at this time.", ">\n\nSo many dumb replies here. I am sad about where humankind is at.", ">\n\nRound two people", ">\n\nWe need to ramp up testing again at border.", ">\n\nChina trying to stop Covid…lol! Fail miserably at that, build a huge infected population, then unleash it on the world. Great job China /s", ">\n\nSell then the Moderna vaccine so they can treat themselves, ans end this debacle.", ">\n\nEven if US send Moderna and Phizer vaccine, China will not use it, because they boast about \"superior\" Chinese vaccine and don't want to lose face.\n​\nUntil they change their attitude, I suggest keeping restriction in place for PRC travelers.", ">\n\nOh definitely.", ">\n\nCCP exporting covid again.", ">\n\nPaywall - can anyone help me read the article? It sounds great in theory but why wait so long? That’s how this all started in 2020. Test now!", ">\n\nChina has been in quarantine until the protests. They have a very low of vaccinated people, so now everyone's breathing on each other's necks, squeezing in tight places and now introducing another pandemic. \nI believe a combination of everyone quarantined for too long and non vaccinated people are making this a very deadly spread.", ">\n\nTheir vaccination rate is not too bad, except among the elderly. But their vaccine was shit even before all the variants.\nThey've been trying to use lockdown to prevent spread and with the new variants that just won't work.\nSo yeah, they're pretty fucked.", ">\n\nVaccination rate is good, but the rate of people who are up to date on boosters is where they fall short even beyond just the elderly. It also doesn't help that the vaccine being used is overall less effective than the ones being used elsewhere like you said. Makes those booster shots many are lacking even more critical.", ">\n\nApparently Americans only get worried when it’s Chinese people spreading Covid as opposed to their own residents, citizens and Europeans.", ">\n\nseems xenophobic /s", ">\n\noh I'm sure conservatives will be very concerned about the \"freedoms\" of those travelers from China", ">\n\nHow's this going to work for the 75% of all our manufactured goods coming in from China?", ">\n\nThank God Biden is doing this if it was Trump they call him racist .", ">\n\nTrump admin did this and it was hailed as a great idea, because it was. And is.\nWho tf cares who the man or president is when it comes to health? Why are some people like this?", ">\n\nYou know that wasnt true.", ">\n\nWhy would they make a move that would indisputably send hundreds of thousands of infected into the wider world including those that may wind up being infected with a new variant or two? \nCan we at least conclude that China does not care about this possibility? Is that verboten to say?\nCan an axiomatically correct statement still result in a ban?", ">\n\nSounds kinda racist.", ">\n\nMakes absolute sense considering what's currently going on there. Canada should do the same. I'll even go as far as say suspend visas / entry from that part of the world temporarily, until they can get it under control", ">\n\nMakes sense. China is exploding with covid and who knows if/when the next bad variant develops there.", ">\n\nLmao Reddit enjoying their shut in lives so much I’d rather jump off the tallest bridge near me before going into lockdowns again.", ">\n\nXenophobia", ">\n\nXenophobic Biden", ">\n\nPeople are acting like Covid stopped spreading in the US… The US just decided to ignore it, that is until China gained more cases, and now it’s back to fear mongering Chinese people. I see that xenophobia is still alive and well in the US.", ">\n\nMy family and I caught covid during Thanksgiving after being careful for two years. Fortunately, we're all vaccinated so the symptoms didn't hit us too hard. We just got lax with being careful, but we'll probably be wearing our masks in crowded places just to be safe.", ">\n\nI never stopped wearing masks in the US while going to stores. The reality is we have had waves of Covid here in the US, and we have had different mutations of variants too.", ">\n\nThats racist. Biden should be ashamed of himself for allowing such bigotry and hatred towards our Chinese brethren.", ">\n\nThis applies to anyone traveling from China, not just the Chinese.", ">\n\nI wouldn’t think another country was rascist if the USA had a huge surge and temporarily suspended flights to:from the USA until the numbers came down.", ">\n\nSame biological warfare when westerners were entering into China in 2022?", ">\n\n50 Cent army, out in full force!", ">\n\nWhy are we letting anyone in from China?", ">\n\nCitizens and most permanent residents cannot be refused admission.", ">\n\nOh, here we go again.", ">\n\nKind of ironic seeing how the US has worse cases lmao", ">\n\nUS will keep up the bio attacks until the world complies with their foreign policy. Which is to keep China from becoming a threat to its hegemony", ">\n\nWeird how we can’t make our own citizens mask or test but we can make sure travelers from other places do \nWild how absolutely absurd the timeline we’re living in js", ">\n\nGood. We should not allow anyone from any country the opportunity to enter our country without proof.", ">\n\nIt’s not xenophobia, it’s (D)ifferent this time. Maybe if they let trump try this in the first place", ">\n\nThis just adds fuel to racist anti-Asian sentiment in the US. What about all the people on the plane with Chinese travelers who aren't Chinese? If the situation warrants testing of anyone, it warrants testing of everyone.", ">\n\nThis is just politics. Do we really want to pretend we don’t have an overwhelming amount of COVID cases right now in America? Everyone knows most people don’t test unless they’re very sick (which is rare now) and most who even do test use at home tests and don’t report the results. Can we really just not admit to ourselves as a nation that for the overwhelming majority of people COVID no longer poses a serious threat? Hospitalization, death and long COVID are statistically insignificant for healthy vaccinated individuals at this point I don’t see why anyone can see this as anymore than political posturing.", ">\n\nWelcome to the virtue signaling zone.", ">\n\nWell ??? Why wouldn't we check considering their outbreak is significant. Seriously was this a question ?", ">\n\nChina’s authoritarian regime locked down their country for years… this contained rhe virus until mass protests as well as international condemnations. So I believe Chinese govt is teaching their citizens a lesson. Let them roam free and allow international travel into the country. Let them get severely ill and die. Then they will acknowledge and apologize to the government. This type of reverse psychology isn’t new.", ">\n\nWe the People require a vigilant health care approach to our borders at the expense of [Pure Greed] from those who capitalize on what ails us\nWe the People demand all institutions do a readiness check \nAt which time We the People can demand a Meeting of the Continental Congress to address the state of our union, to reboot the principles and powers of the American Constitution and Bill of Rights, to re instate the neutral balance of power in the houses and senate of all levels of our current government[ one party control is not the operation of the United States of America 🇺🇸]", ">\n\nIf only we had this kind of foresight 3 years ago… we could have avoided this whole mess.", ">\n\nAnd Trump was called xenophobic when we asked for the same thing", ">\n\nExactly", ">\n\nWe should have another global 2020-tier lockdown period, imo. Work at home, way less flights active etc.", ">\n\nAnd millions of people, children, the most disadvantaged would die and suffer", ">\n\nI feel like they need to extend this restriction to all of Europe as well. It’s already spread outside of China.", ">\n\nSo I’m guessing it’s not racist now that Biden is doing it.", ">\n\nAgeeed", ">\n\nSome will get through. We may be in trouble.", ">\n\nIt's a racist policy. Why not ban people from Florida from traveling to the rest of the US? What's the difference?", ">\n\nThe scientific and medical community believe China is headed for another outbreak so this step is a must", ">\n\nCanadian here. I traveled from Toronto's Pearson International airport to the U S in November for Thanksgiving and the majority of travelers going through security were, I'd guess, Chinese carrying passports from that country, most not wearing masks. I don't really know if they were Canadian citizens or not but their passports definitely were not.", ">\n\nYet banning travel from China back in 2019-2020 was racist and xenophobic . No wonder the public has no confidence in the government.", ">\n\nI can’t believe the Biden admin actually went through this. They’re testing them just because they’re Chinese??? That is so racist smh", ">\n\nThis applies to anyone coming from China, not just Chinese citizens. It’s based on the ongoing outbreak, not their race.", ">\n\nWell it’s still racist to assume anyone from China is infected just because of where they’re coming from", ">\n\nIt’s not racist at all. “Coming from China” is not a race. They will test everyone on the plane regardless of demographics.", ">\n\nWhich is racist though. It’s the same thing Trump did by banning anyone coming from China. Why don’t they ban everyone coming from Japan? India? South Korea? Thailand? Etc? Why just the Chinese smh.", ">\n\nDamn that’s so racist #stopasianhate", ">\n\n2019 into 2020 all over again. \nAt least China has a strict ban on flights...\nOh", ">\n\nI don't think that's on China. I don't remember US banning any flights abroad during any of our surges?", ">\n\nI also don't remember the US being the origin of covid. \nChina has a special responsibility as a nation that fucked up and let covid grow out of control and escape its boundaries to not open up the export of viral vectors at the height of their crisis.\nCCP incompetence and mendacity has done enough already that they need to go above and beyond to keep shit as much as possible within their own borders.", ">\n\nThe fucks the point of that? They could be exposed, test negative and pop positive while they’re here or anywhere. Negative test doesn’t mean shit.", ">\n\nRayciss", ">\n\nThe government should require it for all airline passengers. Chinese travelers infected with COVID 19 are going to go to other countries too and some of those people will fly here. Likewise, there should be a requirement for all Americans going abroad so the U.S. doesn't spread COVID 19 to other countries.", ">\n\nChina the base screams, even democrats, the great enemy of this era. If England had a surge, nobody would be screaming for negative tests.", ">\n\nInconsiderate assholes", ">\n\nThat’s racist and anti Asian", ">\n\nHasn’t almost everyone in the US had it at this point? It’s like forbidding lighters in a forest that was recently burned down." ]
> I feel that this is very anti Asian if it’s only for them.
[ "People from China will travel through Europe and come in to America from the east coast like they did when the pandemic started. This will do nothing if all travelers aboard aren’t made to test.", ">\n\nLet's hope EU and other countries do the same.", ">\n\nI don't know if they will. Australia (for example) had some of the toughest Covid policies and they've essentially just thrown them all out the window.\nSo I don't know how willing countries are to go back to being overly concerned about Covid.", ">\n\nThey should be concerned w chinese, it's spreading like wildfire in china. If we aren't careful, they will come out w covid 20.", ">\n\nIt’s spreading everywhere including the USA. This policy has nothing to do with science or medicine. It’s just politics.", ">\n\nNo. It’s circulating like mad in a population of 1 billion people who haven’t been exposed before. This is how new variants come about. Every country should require negative Covid test for china at least until it cycles through the population", ">\n\n\nNo. It’s circulating like mad in a population of 1 billion people who haven’t been exposed before.\n\nIt's also spreading like mad in all the countries of the world including the USA.\n\nThis is how new variants come about. \n\nAnd they have been for years now.\n\nEvery country should require negative Covid test for china at least until it cycles through the population\n\nOnly for political reasons. There is no scientific or rational demand for this. \nI get it, you hate china, most americans hate china so just be honest and say what you really mean.", ">\n\nStrains are spreading in the west yes, but there are new strains in China that are spreading and we don't know if our vaccines will work with those strains. We know the Chinese vaccines have a low efficacy rate and we know they are not mRNA vaccines which allow for easier adaptation to new strains. Making travelers with a Chinese passport take Covid tests at any and all airports is not racist or even unfair - a reminder that China has been relatively hard to travel to for the last 2 years because they were locked down to foreign travel as well. This is simply good policy from a public health measure, and you not wanting to see that for what it is and instead attribute it to a nascent American hatred for China is laughable. the World Health Organization estimated close to 800 million new cases in China in the next few months, with another estimate 4 million deaths and countless new strains coming out during that period. This is about protection populations, not punishing China.", ">\n\n\nStrains are spreading in the west yes, but there are new strains in China that are spreading and we don't know if our vaccines will work with those strains.\n\nYou don't know if vaccines work against any new variant even if that variant is from a country populated with white people.\n\nWe know the Chinese vaccines have a low efficacy rate and we know they are not mRNA vaccines which allow for easier adaptation to new strains. \n\nThe vaccine doesn't adapt once inside of your body you know that right?\n\nMaking travelers with a Chinese passport take Covid tests at any and all airports is not racist or even unfair \n\nit's definitely unfair and probably racist as well.\n\nhis is simply good policy from a public health measure, a\n\nA good policy would be to require vaccinations from everybody. Think about it, you are requiring a vaccine that you said doesn't even work. How much sense does that make?\n\nattribute it to a nascent American hatred for China is laughable.\n\nNascent?\n\nThis is about protection populations, not punishing China.\n\nIt's definitely about punishing china, it's a part of the current cold war with China conducted by the USA.", ">\n\n\nYou don't know if vaccines work against any new variant even if that variant is from a country populated with white people.\n\nAll the more reason to not invite more new strains into the country. White population or otherwise has nothing to do with it, expected rise in cases in China does.\n\nThe vaccine doesn't adapt once inside of your body you know that right?\n\nYou missed the point. The point i was making was that the Chinese medical system has not even approached Covid with an mRNA vaccine, and steadfastly refused to license western vaccines. If the vaccine most readily available in China has a 50% efficacy then the population is at more risk of contracting the virus and having negative results. The infection rates are increased with each new case of BA.7 (China is currently seeing each covid patient infecting on average 18 other people represented as 1:18, whereas the in US the rate is 1:3.9). Each of these factors increases the risk of developing new strains that are vaccine resistant. \n\nit's definitely unfair and probably racist as well\n\nIs it your position that nations cannot take any prescriptive action to prevent the spread of infected persons from other countries? Again i would remind you that China has basically been locked down for the last 2 years, with severe limitations to personal freedoms themselves. This is not based on race, but rather a government's inability to contain a contagious outbreak in their own country and not wanting it to spread. \n\nA good policy would be to require vaccinations from everybody. Think about it, you are requiring a vaccine that you said doesn't even work. How much sense does that make?\n\nThat might be your definition on good policy, but it isn't mine and that isn't how the west does it. \"I\" am not requiring a vaccine that \"I\" said doesn't work - that was your suggestion not mine. Also, i said the efficacy of the Chinese vaccine is 50% - based on available information - i never said it didn't work, and i never said that it should be mandatory or required.\n\nNascent?\n\nPoor and wrong word choice on my part it seems. What i meant was ascribing the US decision to require testing of Chinese travelers to racism because you believe that the US is racist is laughable. Taking a test to prove that you are covid negative is far less onerous on a traveler than most visa requirements.\n\nIt's definitely about punishing china, it's a part of the current cold war with China conducted by the USA.\n\nCite your sources. I could point to many Chinese government policies that i could say are part of the current cold war with the US without backing it up and it would be just as credible as what you said. Opinion is not a source, and not proof. You assume that the US government is racist, that this policy is racist and yet we have had travel bans imposed on other countries, as well as testing required for travelers from other countries imposed before, and other policies and so has China. For goodness sake China has been closed to foreigners for almost 3 years, and is still closed to foreign travel until January 2023. Is that a racist policy as well?", ">\n\nHere we go again.\nThis time I think I'll learn French cooking.", ">\n\n5000 People a day will have to die before Anybody says the word Lock down in the States ever again.", ">\n\nDon’t understand why people can’t handle staying at home for two weeks when it could potentially eradicate a deadly virus. Are we that weak?", ">\n\nWe did that in large part in March 2020. And did China not spend years locking down their citizens? \nPeoples savings are gone. They need to work. \nWearing a mask would do a lot to help the issue but people aren’t willing to do that anymore.", ">\n\nWe didn't do that though. We didn't all lock down when we were supposed to. Where I work I had to go in from the very start all the way through. Most people, the majority of people, didn't stay home even if they didn't have work. Most people didn't fuck with masks or keeping a distance, and even people who weren't antivaccers didn't take the vaccine seriously for the longest time. \nWe had no fucking lock down, unless you were a well-off celebrity or comedian who wanted to talk about being locked down for content. \nIf people legit locked down, they would have taken a small hit financially, but too many people didn't do shit and prolonged everything.", ">\n\nThe things is that it doesn't take long to drain peoples saving - becuase the overwhelming majority of people have practically none. \nSo an extended lockdown was never feasible unless the government was willing to pay several trillion dollars of expenses, not just 2 or 3 times but several times over.", ">\n\nI didn't dispute any of what you said. I pointed out that most people actively contested any safety measure and most people didn't actually lock down. Any extension will almost certainly be the fault of most of those people. \nI'd gladly let them all die if it meant the few people who did take things seriously didn't have to live through a Walking Dead scenario or have to take a huge financial hit because them.", ">\n\nMost people did lock down just fine initially. After a few weeks turned into a month or more, yeah people got testy.\nAdditionally, a gigantic amount of people work in critical industries and simply cant stay home. Just keeping the lights and water on requires tens of millions of workers, plus industries like plants and refineries that simply cannot shut down without massive long-term consequences.\nReddit is full of office people who can WFH, the vast majority of people cant.", ">\n\nI was one of those who couldn't stay home. Right out of the gate most people gave up on almost all of it except when they were making a show of complying when they had to. There was a lot of cheating. I walk through a lot of different areas. The waves of patients and bodies we got at work tracked with that and became predictable.", ">\n\nWhat’s that saying that ends with ”…doomed to repeat it?”", ">\n\nWhy not just require a negative test from everyone?", ">\n\nWho would you expect to pay for that?", ">\n\nGovernments or sponsors from the private sector ideally, I honestly don’t give a fuck. I’ve gotten many free tests from both and I’ve also bought some for like $8.", ">\n\n“Here we go again” from everyone in the comments. \nThe virus never stopped, we did.", ">\n\nVirus will always be there. Permanent restrictions are unsustainable", ">\n\n3 years later...\nIs this permanent?", ">\n\nI doubt there's anything that would make Republicans running in 2024 happier then Democrats advocating for a return to COVID restrictions.", ">\n\nRight? It’d be like the democrats fighting for gun control, or gay and trans rights, or safe and legal abortions. It would be political suicide to stand for something that Republicans don’t like!", ">\n\nMy understanding is that everything you listed is broadly popular or has at least a majority of American's in favor of it. A return to COVID restrictions is not in that category.", ">\n\nGun control isn’t even universally loved amongst the American left, as the hard left needs them for protection from the hard right they clash with, and the middle left does like having their guns taken as much as any middle right wing does, only mid left likes it", ">\n\nGallup has 57% of Americans feeling that in general gun laws should be more strict.", ">\n\nRegular people want kids to stop dying while in school. The problem is \"stricter laws\" is vague and no one can agree on what it means or give a serious proposal that would work, short of confiscation and bans, which are wildly unpopular.", ">\n\nVague political talking points is the best we’re going to get. Much as I’d love a Ross Perot style of breaking down every platform and promise, the general public doesn’t go for it. Buzz words are all we have the attention span for.", ">\n\nChina's COVID-19 surge raises odds of new coronavirus variants\nThings could get very ugly.", ">\n\nYou say this like covid hasn't been spreading rampantly through literally every country on the planet, mostly without any measures to stop the spread. Why does China get a different treatment and maybe countries should require tests from the US or Inida or Europe?", ">\n\nI agree. US was primarily the culprit of why COVID went rampant to begin with. We actively refused to enforce any sort of safety measures, just a mild suggestion of \"maybe wear a mask, if you want to, it's ok if you don't\" and \"we have vaccines if you want one, no pressure tho\". That was really our response to the world's deadliest pandemic.", ">\n\nWe actively made fun of zero covid approaches on reddit and now based on the comments on this thread we are suddenly pro “zero covid” approaches", ">\n\nEveryone finally watched contagion", ">\n\nSo far my 2023 bingo card is reading alooot of skull and crossbones, I think I might actually win at something next year, what does your score card look like?", ">\n\nWhen’s that $1200 going to hit my account?", ">\n\nI’m still living off mine from last time!", ">\n\nI’m still looking for mine", ">\n\nI’m waiting for that $600 bucks from Biden still, but that’s going right into my retirement!", ">\n\nYou dont get he meant to include any money you already received as well /s", ">\n\nI seem to remember campaign ads with $2000 checks.", ">\n\nYep they explicitly mentioned $2,000 checks.", ">\n\nMy comment was sarcasm but in retrospect there are so many neoliberals saying that word for word in all seriousness that I should and will add a sarcasm tag", ">\n\nThat's nice and all, but let's not act like we're not just ignoring our own COVID problems.", ">\n\n\n\"You don't have zero tolerance anymore? We can't tolerate that.\"\n\n- Country with 100% tolerance", ">\n\nWhy not require a negative COVID test from everyone entering the country? It’s like they don’t want COVID to be under control.", ">\n\nI think this is because China has a relatively low vaccination rate because they relied on lock downs. Now that lock downs are being ramped down, they are having a huge surge.", ">\n\nThe vaccination rate in China is considerably higher than the US (92% vs 81%). This is just another example of yellow peril", ">\n\nThank you for pointing this out. What I said above was wrong about the vaccination rate. I don’t know why exactly China is having a surge. 🤷‍♂️", ">\n\nTheir vaccination rate is high but their vaccine, SinoVac is based on old tech. It conveys effectively zero protection from variants when compared to all the other types of vaccines on the market.", ">\n\nYou guys are so full of shit. At 3 doses Sinovac gives the same protection as any western vaccine with boosters to help mitigate mutated variants. Stop spreading misinfo.", ">\n\n\"Does that thumbnail of someone getting tested read too much like 'screaming uselessly into the void'?\"\n\"I'm sure it'll be fine.\"", ">\n\nMaybe, just maybe they shouldnt have stopped testing airplane passengers in the first place... \nWe have cheap, readily available tests that take 10 minutes to complete. There’s really no reason not to test ever passenger before boarding...", ">\n\nEveryone I know who had Omicron tested negative until their symptoms cleared. It was evading the RATs, for some reason.", ">\n\nI tested positive on a rapid test two days after getting congested. Every teacher coworker of mine who bothered to test after getting cold symptoms also did. I think it's why so few parents now test their kids before sending time to school sick. They don't want to know so we all find out when we or our family members then test positive, missing work on their sick kids' behalf so they didn't have to. \nI have also heard the rapid test can give false negatives but anecdotal references don't mean much.", ">\n\nA day late and a dollar short. Same old song and dance.", ">\n\nWow, it’s like history literally repeating itself.", ">\n\nIndeed it is. I hope everyone is prepared for what’s next.", ">\n\nWe should require negative COVID tests for people to fly within the US, too.\nIt makes no difference to me if the person who infects me at LAX is coming in from China, or from Texas.", ">\n\nThere is a high chance anyone that comes from China has Covid right now. Low chance that someone inside America has.", ">\n\nNaw. China’s percent is much higher, sure, but it’s not like US infection rates are low. You can pretty much guarantee an infected American on every sold out domestic flight. The latest variants are super, super contagious, and it only takes one infected person to pose a serious risk to the other people sharing their space, and then all of their families and friends after they land. All flights should still require testing and masking at this point, or all we’ve really accomplished is pacifying the dimwits and xenophobes.\nI know at least 3 people who 100% contracted COVID while flying domestically in the US this last month - because they were isolated for the incubation period beforehand. They were masked the entire time they were in the airport and on the plane.", ">\n\nIf they were masked up and I assume vaccinated and still caught the virus then preventable measures like these aren’t that effective.", ">\n\nIs there a new strain of Covid that isn't in the U.S yet, otherwise what's the point.", ">\n\nUm testing should not ever stop.", ">\n\nAh shit here we go again", ">\n\n\"Who left the fridge open?\"", ">\n\nIt's \"just a cold\" unless it's a non-white person from another country carrying it.\n/s", ">\n\nChina implemented an ineffective vaccine and had 30m+ cases in one day. It’s specifically that gov. refusing to use effective vaccines", ">\n\nAnd the United States had effective vaccines that half the country is not willing to nor willing to wear masks, while complaining to other countries like China about their travel restrictions (from China and Hong Kong). And honestly I’m not oppose to a tighter restriction on China while they are experiencing a surge in new cases just as it did with any other countries that initially loosen covid restrictions, what makes me question this being race or politically motivated is the hypocrisy; people complained about China being oppressive when it was enforcing all the covid restrictions and when they loosen it “China doesn’t care about human lives”.\nSo what exactly do you want them to do?", ">\n\n\nto Require Negative Covid Tests for Travelers From China\n\nLuckily China is well known for its systemic unwillingness to fake or counterfeit things, so everything should be fine.\nhonest.", ">\n\nSeems purely retaliatory with no actual effectiveness.\nEnforcement is over a week away and presumably China has hit its peak already (flights being 40% positive)", ">\n\nThe rich rats are going to buy fake tests and jump ship breaking quarantine just like they did in the first wave. Cutting flights or enforcing quarantines is the only way to prevent this stuff from jumping oceans but god forbid anybody inhibit the jet setters.", ">\n\nHALF of the passengers on a plane from China going to Italy tested positive the other day (tested on arrival). Chances are most if not all of them had negative test results they could show that they took before they left. This won't do anything to stop people coming into the US while positive..we are going to have to go through this all over again and we won't have the same somewhat cooperative response in the US this time if it is a variant that evades immunity... It will get REALLY bad.", ">\n\nSeriously they know red states will just let them in and will never do another shut down again. So start dealt with out break countries this way to slow it down or corner it. But I see very very bad days ahead for China and Russia is starting to report out breaks too.", ">\n\nMust. When?", ">\n\nWe already require this from canada iirc\nEdit: i was wrong, canada requires it from us.", ">\n\nI hope we are talking PCR tests... those store-bought 15-minute ones struggle to get a positive if you have any sort of vaccination, even while symptomatic and miserable.", ">\n\nWell, a little bit of good news. I'll take it.", ">\n\nTravel should have been 100$ restricted a long time ago. Travel should be restricted to any country experiencing a COVID outbreak.", ">\n\nWonderful. Another round of Asian hating.", ">\n\nWho's hating on Asians? We're trying to stop this virus from killing people.", ">\n\nor… ban flights from china??", ">\n\nDoesn’t make sense in singling out China when covid is widespread in every single country", ">\n\nThe extent of covid in china atm is just absurd. Two weeks ago, they had 37 MILLION cases in one day. Think about that. Thats more people than a lot of countries! \nsource", ">\n\nI wonder why China has so much trouble with COVID compared to other countries, despite being so strict.", ">\n\nIt’s because they had the zero covid approaches that people are advocating for in this thread and they suddenly reversed course. Everyone in China is getting it so fast its likely the same variants quickly spreading in a population that suddenly reversed course. Having many people getting it over time and exposed to new generations of the virus (which is what happens over time) is more insidious but people here think thats fine", ">\n\nEveryone saying this is racist, do not pay attention to the world", ">\n\nIt was called racist and xenophobic when Trump did it. The left are hypocritical emotional wrecks.", ">\n\nnah trump was racist or did you forget he called it the “china virus” and subsequent hate crimes increased against adians", ">\n\nLet’s not change the subject. We’re talking about testing travelers from China here. Always trying to deflect.", ">\n\nIs that what he did, though? That and nothing else? This is a Fox News headline, but I bet there's a lot more to it. There usually is.\nFYI, Italy is also requiring testing of travelers from China at this time.\nBecause of the high number of cases in China at this time.", ">\n\nSo many dumb replies here. I am sad about where humankind is at.", ">\n\nRound two people", ">\n\nWe need to ramp up testing again at border.", ">\n\nChina trying to stop Covid…lol! Fail miserably at that, build a huge infected population, then unleash it on the world. Great job China /s", ">\n\nSell then the Moderna vaccine so they can treat themselves, ans end this debacle.", ">\n\nEven if US send Moderna and Phizer vaccine, China will not use it, because they boast about \"superior\" Chinese vaccine and don't want to lose face.\n​\nUntil they change their attitude, I suggest keeping restriction in place for PRC travelers.", ">\n\nOh definitely.", ">\n\nCCP exporting covid again.", ">\n\nPaywall - can anyone help me read the article? It sounds great in theory but why wait so long? That’s how this all started in 2020. Test now!", ">\n\nChina has been in quarantine until the protests. They have a very low of vaccinated people, so now everyone's breathing on each other's necks, squeezing in tight places and now introducing another pandemic. \nI believe a combination of everyone quarantined for too long and non vaccinated people are making this a very deadly spread.", ">\n\nTheir vaccination rate is not too bad, except among the elderly. But their vaccine was shit even before all the variants.\nThey've been trying to use lockdown to prevent spread and with the new variants that just won't work.\nSo yeah, they're pretty fucked.", ">\n\nVaccination rate is good, but the rate of people who are up to date on boosters is where they fall short even beyond just the elderly. It also doesn't help that the vaccine being used is overall less effective than the ones being used elsewhere like you said. Makes those booster shots many are lacking even more critical.", ">\n\nApparently Americans only get worried when it’s Chinese people spreading Covid as opposed to their own residents, citizens and Europeans.", ">\n\nseems xenophobic /s", ">\n\noh I'm sure conservatives will be very concerned about the \"freedoms\" of those travelers from China", ">\n\nHow's this going to work for the 75% of all our manufactured goods coming in from China?", ">\n\nThank God Biden is doing this if it was Trump they call him racist .", ">\n\nTrump admin did this and it was hailed as a great idea, because it was. And is.\nWho tf cares who the man or president is when it comes to health? Why are some people like this?", ">\n\nYou know that wasnt true.", ">\n\nWhy would they make a move that would indisputably send hundreds of thousands of infected into the wider world including those that may wind up being infected with a new variant or two? \nCan we at least conclude that China does not care about this possibility? Is that verboten to say?\nCan an axiomatically correct statement still result in a ban?", ">\n\nSounds kinda racist.", ">\n\nMakes absolute sense considering what's currently going on there. Canada should do the same. I'll even go as far as say suspend visas / entry from that part of the world temporarily, until they can get it under control", ">\n\nMakes sense. China is exploding with covid and who knows if/when the next bad variant develops there.", ">\n\nLmao Reddit enjoying their shut in lives so much I’d rather jump off the tallest bridge near me before going into lockdowns again.", ">\n\nXenophobia", ">\n\nXenophobic Biden", ">\n\nPeople are acting like Covid stopped spreading in the US… The US just decided to ignore it, that is until China gained more cases, and now it’s back to fear mongering Chinese people. I see that xenophobia is still alive and well in the US.", ">\n\nMy family and I caught covid during Thanksgiving after being careful for two years. Fortunately, we're all vaccinated so the symptoms didn't hit us too hard. We just got lax with being careful, but we'll probably be wearing our masks in crowded places just to be safe.", ">\n\nI never stopped wearing masks in the US while going to stores. The reality is we have had waves of Covid here in the US, and we have had different mutations of variants too.", ">\n\nThats racist. Biden should be ashamed of himself for allowing such bigotry and hatred towards our Chinese brethren.", ">\n\nThis applies to anyone traveling from China, not just the Chinese.", ">\n\nI wouldn’t think another country was rascist if the USA had a huge surge and temporarily suspended flights to:from the USA until the numbers came down.", ">\n\nSame biological warfare when westerners were entering into China in 2022?", ">\n\n50 Cent army, out in full force!", ">\n\nWhy are we letting anyone in from China?", ">\n\nCitizens and most permanent residents cannot be refused admission.", ">\n\nOh, here we go again.", ">\n\nKind of ironic seeing how the US has worse cases lmao", ">\n\nUS will keep up the bio attacks until the world complies with their foreign policy. Which is to keep China from becoming a threat to its hegemony", ">\n\nWeird how we can’t make our own citizens mask or test but we can make sure travelers from other places do \nWild how absolutely absurd the timeline we’re living in js", ">\n\nGood. We should not allow anyone from any country the opportunity to enter our country without proof.", ">\n\nIt’s not xenophobia, it’s (D)ifferent this time. Maybe if they let trump try this in the first place", ">\n\nThis just adds fuel to racist anti-Asian sentiment in the US. What about all the people on the plane with Chinese travelers who aren't Chinese? If the situation warrants testing of anyone, it warrants testing of everyone.", ">\n\nThis is just politics. Do we really want to pretend we don’t have an overwhelming amount of COVID cases right now in America? Everyone knows most people don’t test unless they’re very sick (which is rare now) and most who even do test use at home tests and don’t report the results. Can we really just not admit to ourselves as a nation that for the overwhelming majority of people COVID no longer poses a serious threat? Hospitalization, death and long COVID are statistically insignificant for healthy vaccinated individuals at this point I don’t see why anyone can see this as anymore than political posturing.", ">\n\nWelcome to the virtue signaling zone.", ">\n\nWell ??? Why wouldn't we check considering their outbreak is significant. Seriously was this a question ?", ">\n\nChina’s authoritarian regime locked down their country for years… this contained rhe virus until mass protests as well as international condemnations. So I believe Chinese govt is teaching their citizens a lesson. Let them roam free and allow international travel into the country. Let them get severely ill and die. Then they will acknowledge and apologize to the government. This type of reverse psychology isn’t new.", ">\n\nWe the People require a vigilant health care approach to our borders at the expense of [Pure Greed] from those who capitalize on what ails us\nWe the People demand all institutions do a readiness check \nAt which time We the People can demand a Meeting of the Continental Congress to address the state of our union, to reboot the principles and powers of the American Constitution and Bill of Rights, to re instate the neutral balance of power in the houses and senate of all levels of our current government[ one party control is not the operation of the United States of America 🇺🇸]", ">\n\nIf only we had this kind of foresight 3 years ago… we could have avoided this whole mess.", ">\n\nAnd Trump was called xenophobic when we asked for the same thing", ">\n\nExactly", ">\n\nWe should have another global 2020-tier lockdown period, imo. Work at home, way less flights active etc.", ">\n\nAnd millions of people, children, the most disadvantaged would die and suffer", ">\n\nI feel like they need to extend this restriction to all of Europe as well. It’s already spread outside of China.", ">\n\nSo I’m guessing it’s not racist now that Biden is doing it.", ">\n\nAgeeed", ">\n\nSome will get through. We may be in trouble.", ">\n\nIt's a racist policy. Why not ban people from Florida from traveling to the rest of the US? What's the difference?", ">\n\nThe scientific and medical community believe China is headed for another outbreak so this step is a must", ">\n\nCanadian here. I traveled from Toronto's Pearson International airport to the U S in November for Thanksgiving and the majority of travelers going through security were, I'd guess, Chinese carrying passports from that country, most not wearing masks. I don't really know if they were Canadian citizens or not but their passports definitely were not.", ">\n\nYet banning travel from China back in 2019-2020 was racist and xenophobic . No wonder the public has no confidence in the government.", ">\n\nI can’t believe the Biden admin actually went through this. They’re testing them just because they’re Chinese??? That is so racist smh", ">\n\nThis applies to anyone coming from China, not just Chinese citizens. It’s based on the ongoing outbreak, not their race.", ">\n\nWell it’s still racist to assume anyone from China is infected just because of where they’re coming from", ">\n\nIt’s not racist at all. “Coming from China” is not a race. They will test everyone on the plane regardless of demographics.", ">\n\nWhich is racist though. It’s the same thing Trump did by banning anyone coming from China. Why don’t they ban everyone coming from Japan? India? South Korea? Thailand? Etc? Why just the Chinese smh.", ">\n\nDamn that’s so racist #stopasianhate", ">\n\n2019 into 2020 all over again. \nAt least China has a strict ban on flights...\nOh", ">\n\nI don't think that's on China. I don't remember US banning any flights abroad during any of our surges?", ">\n\nI also don't remember the US being the origin of covid. \nChina has a special responsibility as a nation that fucked up and let covid grow out of control and escape its boundaries to not open up the export of viral vectors at the height of their crisis.\nCCP incompetence and mendacity has done enough already that they need to go above and beyond to keep shit as much as possible within their own borders.", ">\n\nThe fucks the point of that? They could be exposed, test negative and pop positive while they’re here or anywhere. Negative test doesn’t mean shit.", ">\n\nRayciss", ">\n\nThe government should require it for all airline passengers. Chinese travelers infected with COVID 19 are going to go to other countries too and some of those people will fly here. Likewise, there should be a requirement for all Americans going abroad so the U.S. doesn't spread COVID 19 to other countries.", ">\n\nChina the base screams, even democrats, the great enemy of this era. If England had a surge, nobody would be screaming for negative tests.", ">\n\nInconsiderate assholes", ">\n\nThat’s racist and anti Asian", ">\n\nHasn’t almost everyone in the US had it at this point? It’s like forbidding lighters in a forest that was recently burned down.", ">\n\nStop Asian Hate?" ]
> This is racism
[ "People from China will travel through Europe and come in to America from the east coast like they did when the pandemic started. This will do nothing if all travelers aboard aren’t made to test.", ">\n\nLet's hope EU and other countries do the same.", ">\n\nI don't know if they will. Australia (for example) had some of the toughest Covid policies and they've essentially just thrown them all out the window.\nSo I don't know how willing countries are to go back to being overly concerned about Covid.", ">\n\nThey should be concerned w chinese, it's spreading like wildfire in china. If we aren't careful, they will come out w covid 20.", ">\n\nIt’s spreading everywhere including the USA. This policy has nothing to do with science or medicine. It’s just politics.", ">\n\nNo. It’s circulating like mad in a population of 1 billion people who haven’t been exposed before. This is how new variants come about. Every country should require negative Covid test for china at least until it cycles through the population", ">\n\n\nNo. It’s circulating like mad in a population of 1 billion people who haven’t been exposed before.\n\nIt's also spreading like mad in all the countries of the world including the USA.\n\nThis is how new variants come about. \n\nAnd they have been for years now.\n\nEvery country should require negative Covid test for china at least until it cycles through the population\n\nOnly for political reasons. There is no scientific or rational demand for this. \nI get it, you hate china, most americans hate china so just be honest and say what you really mean.", ">\n\nStrains are spreading in the west yes, but there are new strains in China that are spreading and we don't know if our vaccines will work with those strains. We know the Chinese vaccines have a low efficacy rate and we know they are not mRNA vaccines which allow for easier adaptation to new strains. Making travelers with a Chinese passport take Covid tests at any and all airports is not racist or even unfair - a reminder that China has been relatively hard to travel to for the last 2 years because they were locked down to foreign travel as well. This is simply good policy from a public health measure, and you not wanting to see that for what it is and instead attribute it to a nascent American hatred for China is laughable. the World Health Organization estimated close to 800 million new cases in China in the next few months, with another estimate 4 million deaths and countless new strains coming out during that period. This is about protection populations, not punishing China.", ">\n\n\nStrains are spreading in the west yes, but there are new strains in China that are spreading and we don't know if our vaccines will work with those strains.\n\nYou don't know if vaccines work against any new variant even if that variant is from a country populated with white people.\n\nWe know the Chinese vaccines have a low efficacy rate and we know they are not mRNA vaccines which allow for easier adaptation to new strains. \n\nThe vaccine doesn't adapt once inside of your body you know that right?\n\nMaking travelers with a Chinese passport take Covid tests at any and all airports is not racist or even unfair \n\nit's definitely unfair and probably racist as well.\n\nhis is simply good policy from a public health measure, a\n\nA good policy would be to require vaccinations from everybody. Think about it, you are requiring a vaccine that you said doesn't even work. How much sense does that make?\n\nattribute it to a nascent American hatred for China is laughable.\n\nNascent?\n\nThis is about protection populations, not punishing China.\n\nIt's definitely about punishing china, it's a part of the current cold war with China conducted by the USA.", ">\n\n\nYou don't know if vaccines work against any new variant even if that variant is from a country populated with white people.\n\nAll the more reason to not invite more new strains into the country. White population or otherwise has nothing to do with it, expected rise in cases in China does.\n\nThe vaccine doesn't adapt once inside of your body you know that right?\n\nYou missed the point. The point i was making was that the Chinese medical system has not even approached Covid with an mRNA vaccine, and steadfastly refused to license western vaccines. If the vaccine most readily available in China has a 50% efficacy then the population is at more risk of contracting the virus and having negative results. The infection rates are increased with each new case of BA.7 (China is currently seeing each covid patient infecting on average 18 other people represented as 1:18, whereas the in US the rate is 1:3.9). Each of these factors increases the risk of developing new strains that are vaccine resistant. \n\nit's definitely unfair and probably racist as well\n\nIs it your position that nations cannot take any prescriptive action to prevent the spread of infected persons from other countries? Again i would remind you that China has basically been locked down for the last 2 years, with severe limitations to personal freedoms themselves. This is not based on race, but rather a government's inability to contain a contagious outbreak in their own country and not wanting it to spread. \n\nA good policy would be to require vaccinations from everybody. Think about it, you are requiring a vaccine that you said doesn't even work. How much sense does that make?\n\nThat might be your definition on good policy, but it isn't mine and that isn't how the west does it. \"I\" am not requiring a vaccine that \"I\" said doesn't work - that was your suggestion not mine. Also, i said the efficacy of the Chinese vaccine is 50% - based on available information - i never said it didn't work, and i never said that it should be mandatory or required.\n\nNascent?\n\nPoor and wrong word choice on my part it seems. What i meant was ascribing the US decision to require testing of Chinese travelers to racism because you believe that the US is racist is laughable. Taking a test to prove that you are covid negative is far less onerous on a traveler than most visa requirements.\n\nIt's definitely about punishing china, it's a part of the current cold war with China conducted by the USA.\n\nCite your sources. I could point to many Chinese government policies that i could say are part of the current cold war with the US without backing it up and it would be just as credible as what you said. Opinion is not a source, and not proof. You assume that the US government is racist, that this policy is racist and yet we have had travel bans imposed on other countries, as well as testing required for travelers from other countries imposed before, and other policies and so has China. For goodness sake China has been closed to foreigners for almost 3 years, and is still closed to foreign travel until January 2023. Is that a racist policy as well?", ">\n\nHere we go again.\nThis time I think I'll learn French cooking.", ">\n\n5000 People a day will have to die before Anybody says the word Lock down in the States ever again.", ">\n\nDon’t understand why people can’t handle staying at home for two weeks when it could potentially eradicate a deadly virus. Are we that weak?", ">\n\nWe did that in large part in March 2020. And did China not spend years locking down their citizens? \nPeoples savings are gone. They need to work. \nWearing a mask would do a lot to help the issue but people aren’t willing to do that anymore.", ">\n\nWe didn't do that though. We didn't all lock down when we were supposed to. Where I work I had to go in from the very start all the way through. Most people, the majority of people, didn't stay home even if they didn't have work. Most people didn't fuck with masks or keeping a distance, and even people who weren't antivaccers didn't take the vaccine seriously for the longest time. \nWe had no fucking lock down, unless you were a well-off celebrity or comedian who wanted to talk about being locked down for content. \nIf people legit locked down, they would have taken a small hit financially, but too many people didn't do shit and prolonged everything.", ">\n\nThe things is that it doesn't take long to drain peoples saving - becuase the overwhelming majority of people have practically none. \nSo an extended lockdown was never feasible unless the government was willing to pay several trillion dollars of expenses, not just 2 or 3 times but several times over.", ">\n\nI didn't dispute any of what you said. I pointed out that most people actively contested any safety measure and most people didn't actually lock down. Any extension will almost certainly be the fault of most of those people. \nI'd gladly let them all die if it meant the few people who did take things seriously didn't have to live through a Walking Dead scenario or have to take a huge financial hit because them.", ">\n\nMost people did lock down just fine initially. After a few weeks turned into a month or more, yeah people got testy.\nAdditionally, a gigantic amount of people work in critical industries and simply cant stay home. Just keeping the lights and water on requires tens of millions of workers, plus industries like plants and refineries that simply cannot shut down without massive long-term consequences.\nReddit is full of office people who can WFH, the vast majority of people cant.", ">\n\nI was one of those who couldn't stay home. Right out of the gate most people gave up on almost all of it except when they were making a show of complying when they had to. There was a lot of cheating. I walk through a lot of different areas. The waves of patients and bodies we got at work tracked with that and became predictable.", ">\n\nWhat’s that saying that ends with ”…doomed to repeat it?”", ">\n\nWhy not just require a negative test from everyone?", ">\n\nWho would you expect to pay for that?", ">\n\nGovernments or sponsors from the private sector ideally, I honestly don’t give a fuck. I’ve gotten many free tests from both and I’ve also bought some for like $8.", ">\n\n“Here we go again” from everyone in the comments. \nThe virus never stopped, we did.", ">\n\nVirus will always be there. Permanent restrictions are unsustainable", ">\n\n3 years later...\nIs this permanent?", ">\n\nI doubt there's anything that would make Republicans running in 2024 happier then Democrats advocating for a return to COVID restrictions.", ">\n\nRight? It’d be like the democrats fighting for gun control, or gay and trans rights, or safe and legal abortions. It would be political suicide to stand for something that Republicans don’t like!", ">\n\nMy understanding is that everything you listed is broadly popular or has at least a majority of American's in favor of it. A return to COVID restrictions is not in that category.", ">\n\nGun control isn’t even universally loved amongst the American left, as the hard left needs them for protection from the hard right they clash with, and the middle left does like having their guns taken as much as any middle right wing does, only mid left likes it", ">\n\nGallup has 57% of Americans feeling that in general gun laws should be more strict.", ">\n\nRegular people want kids to stop dying while in school. The problem is \"stricter laws\" is vague and no one can agree on what it means or give a serious proposal that would work, short of confiscation and bans, which are wildly unpopular.", ">\n\nVague political talking points is the best we’re going to get. Much as I’d love a Ross Perot style of breaking down every platform and promise, the general public doesn’t go for it. Buzz words are all we have the attention span for.", ">\n\nChina's COVID-19 surge raises odds of new coronavirus variants\nThings could get very ugly.", ">\n\nYou say this like covid hasn't been spreading rampantly through literally every country on the planet, mostly without any measures to stop the spread. Why does China get a different treatment and maybe countries should require tests from the US or Inida or Europe?", ">\n\nI agree. US was primarily the culprit of why COVID went rampant to begin with. We actively refused to enforce any sort of safety measures, just a mild suggestion of \"maybe wear a mask, if you want to, it's ok if you don't\" and \"we have vaccines if you want one, no pressure tho\". That was really our response to the world's deadliest pandemic.", ">\n\nWe actively made fun of zero covid approaches on reddit and now based on the comments on this thread we are suddenly pro “zero covid” approaches", ">\n\nEveryone finally watched contagion", ">\n\nSo far my 2023 bingo card is reading alooot of skull and crossbones, I think I might actually win at something next year, what does your score card look like?", ">\n\nWhen’s that $1200 going to hit my account?", ">\n\nI’m still living off mine from last time!", ">\n\nI’m still looking for mine", ">\n\nI’m waiting for that $600 bucks from Biden still, but that’s going right into my retirement!", ">\n\nYou dont get he meant to include any money you already received as well /s", ">\n\nI seem to remember campaign ads with $2000 checks.", ">\n\nYep they explicitly mentioned $2,000 checks.", ">\n\nMy comment was sarcasm but in retrospect there are so many neoliberals saying that word for word in all seriousness that I should and will add a sarcasm tag", ">\n\nThat's nice and all, but let's not act like we're not just ignoring our own COVID problems.", ">\n\n\n\"You don't have zero tolerance anymore? We can't tolerate that.\"\n\n- Country with 100% tolerance", ">\n\nWhy not require a negative COVID test from everyone entering the country? It’s like they don’t want COVID to be under control.", ">\n\nI think this is because China has a relatively low vaccination rate because they relied on lock downs. Now that lock downs are being ramped down, they are having a huge surge.", ">\n\nThe vaccination rate in China is considerably higher than the US (92% vs 81%). This is just another example of yellow peril", ">\n\nThank you for pointing this out. What I said above was wrong about the vaccination rate. I don’t know why exactly China is having a surge. 🤷‍♂️", ">\n\nTheir vaccination rate is high but their vaccine, SinoVac is based on old tech. It conveys effectively zero protection from variants when compared to all the other types of vaccines on the market.", ">\n\nYou guys are so full of shit. At 3 doses Sinovac gives the same protection as any western vaccine with boosters to help mitigate mutated variants. Stop spreading misinfo.", ">\n\n\"Does that thumbnail of someone getting tested read too much like 'screaming uselessly into the void'?\"\n\"I'm sure it'll be fine.\"", ">\n\nMaybe, just maybe they shouldnt have stopped testing airplane passengers in the first place... \nWe have cheap, readily available tests that take 10 minutes to complete. There’s really no reason not to test ever passenger before boarding...", ">\n\nEveryone I know who had Omicron tested negative until their symptoms cleared. It was evading the RATs, for some reason.", ">\n\nI tested positive on a rapid test two days after getting congested. Every teacher coworker of mine who bothered to test after getting cold symptoms also did. I think it's why so few parents now test their kids before sending time to school sick. They don't want to know so we all find out when we or our family members then test positive, missing work on their sick kids' behalf so they didn't have to. \nI have also heard the rapid test can give false negatives but anecdotal references don't mean much.", ">\n\nA day late and a dollar short. Same old song and dance.", ">\n\nWow, it’s like history literally repeating itself.", ">\n\nIndeed it is. I hope everyone is prepared for what’s next.", ">\n\nWe should require negative COVID tests for people to fly within the US, too.\nIt makes no difference to me if the person who infects me at LAX is coming in from China, or from Texas.", ">\n\nThere is a high chance anyone that comes from China has Covid right now. Low chance that someone inside America has.", ">\n\nNaw. China’s percent is much higher, sure, but it’s not like US infection rates are low. You can pretty much guarantee an infected American on every sold out domestic flight. The latest variants are super, super contagious, and it only takes one infected person to pose a serious risk to the other people sharing their space, and then all of their families and friends after they land. All flights should still require testing and masking at this point, or all we’ve really accomplished is pacifying the dimwits and xenophobes.\nI know at least 3 people who 100% contracted COVID while flying domestically in the US this last month - because they were isolated for the incubation period beforehand. They were masked the entire time they were in the airport and on the plane.", ">\n\nIf they were masked up and I assume vaccinated and still caught the virus then preventable measures like these aren’t that effective.", ">\n\nIs there a new strain of Covid that isn't in the U.S yet, otherwise what's the point.", ">\n\nUm testing should not ever stop.", ">\n\nAh shit here we go again", ">\n\n\"Who left the fridge open?\"", ">\n\nIt's \"just a cold\" unless it's a non-white person from another country carrying it.\n/s", ">\n\nChina implemented an ineffective vaccine and had 30m+ cases in one day. It’s specifically that gov. refusing to use effective vaccines", ">\n\nAnd the United States had effective vaccines that half the country is not willing to nor willing to wear masks, while complaining to other countries like China about their travel restrictions (from China and Hong Kong). And honestly I’m not oppose to a tighter restriction on China while they are experiencing a surge in new cases just as it did with any other countries that initially loosen covid restrictions, what makes me question this being race or politically motivated is the hypocrisy; people complained about China being oppressive when it was enforcing all the covid restrictions and when they loosen it “China doesn’t care about human lives”.\nSo what exactly do you want them to do?", ">\n\n\nto Require Negative Covid Tests for Travelers From China\n\nLuckily China is well known for its systemic unwillingness to fake or counterfeit things, so everything should be fine.\nhonest.", ">\n\nSeems purely retaliatory with no actual effectiveness.\nEnforcement is over a week away and presumably China has hit its peak already (flights being 40% positive)", ">\n\nThe rich rats are going to buy fake tests and jump ship breaking quarantine just like they did in the first wave. Cutting flights or enforcing quarantines is the only way to prevent this stuff from jumping oceans but god forbid anybody inhibit the jet setters.", ">\n\nHALF of the passengers on a plane from China going to Italy tested positive the other day (tested on arrival). Chances are most if not all of them had negative test results they could show that they took before they left. This won't do anything to stop people coming into the US while positive..we are going to have to go through this all over again and we won't have the same somewhat cooperative response in the US this time if it is a variant that evades immunity... It will get REALLY bad.", ">\n\nSeriously they know red states will just let them in and will never do another shut down again. So start dealt with out break countries this way to slow it down or corner it. But I see very very bad days ahead for China and Russia is starting to report out breaks too.", ">\n\nMust. When?", ">\n\nWe already require this from canada iirc\nEdit: i was wrong, canada requires it from us.", ">\n\nI hope we are talking PCR tests... those store-bought 15-minute ones struggle to get a positive if you have any sort of vaccination, even while symptomatic and miserable.", ">\n\nWell, a little bit of good news. I'll take it.", ">\n\nTravel should have been 100$ restricted a long time ago. Travel should be restricted to any country experiencing a COVID outbreak.", ">\n\nWonderful. Another round of Asian hating.", ">\n\nWho's hating on Asians? We're trying to stop this virus from killing people.", ">\n\nor… ban flights from china??", ">\n\nDoesn’t make sense in singling out China when covid is widespread in every single country", ">\n\nThe extent of covid in china atm is just absurd. Two weeks ago, they had 37 MILLION cases in one day. Think about that. Thats more people than a lot of countries! \nsource", ">\n\nI wonder why China has so much trouble with COVID compared to other countries, despite being so strict.", ">\n\nIt’s because they had the zero covid approaches that people are advocating for in this thread and they suddenly reversed course. Everyone in China is getting it so fast its likely the same variants quickly spreading in a population that suddenly reversed course. Having many people getting it over time and exposed to new generations of the virus (which is what happens over time) is more insidious but people here think thats fine", ">\n\nEveryone saying this is racist, do not pay attention to the world", ">\n\nIt was called racist and xenophobic when Trump did it. The left are hypocritical emotional wrecks.", ">\n\nnah trump was racist or did you forget he called it the “china virus” and subsequent hate crimes increased against adians", ">\n\nLet’s not change the subject. We’re talking about testing travelers from China here. Always trying to deflect.", ">\n\nIs that what he did, though? That and nothing else? This is a Fox News headline, but I bet there's a lot more to it. There usually is.\nFYI, Italy is also requiring testing of travelers from China at this time.\nBecause of the high number of cases in China at this time.", ">\n\nSo many dumb replies here. I am sad about where humankind is at.", ">\n\nRound two people", ">\n\nWe need to ramp up testing again at border.", ">\n\nChina trying to stop Covid…lol! Fail miserably at that, build a huge infected population, then unleash it on the world. Great job China /s", ">\n\nSell then the Moderna vaccine so they can treat themselves, ans end this debacle.", ">\n\nEven if US send Moderna and Phizer vaccine, China will not use it, because they boast about \"superior\" Chinese vaccine and don't want to lose face.\n​\nUntil they change their attitude, I suggest keeping restriction in place for PRC travelers.", ">\n\nOh definitely.", ">\n\nCCP exporting covid again.", ">\n\nPaywall - can anyone help me read the article? It sounds great in theory but why wait so long? That’s how this all started in 2020. Test now!", ">\n\nChina has been in quarantine until the protests. They have a very low of vaccinated people, so now everyone's breathing on each other's necks, squeezing in tight places and now introducing another pandemic. \nI believe a combination of everyone quarantined for too long and non vaccinated people are making this a very deadly spread.", ">\n\nTheir vaccination rate is not too bad, except among the elderly. But their vaccine was shit even before all the variants.\nThey've been trying to use lockdown to prevent spread and with the new variants that just won't work.\nSo yeah, they're pretty fucked.", ">\n\nVaccination rate is good, but the rate of people who are up to date on boosters is where they fall short even beyond just the elderly. It also doesn't help that the vaccine being used is overall less effective than the ones being used elsewhere like you said. Makes those booster shots many are lacking even more critical.", ">\n\nApparently Americans only get worried when it’s Chinese people spreading Covid as opposed to their own residents, citizens and Europeans.", ">\n\nseems xenophobic /s", ">\n\noh I'm sure conservatives will be very concerned about the \"freedoms\" of those travelers from China", ">\n\nHow's this going to work for the 75% of all our manufactured goods coming in from China?", ">\n\nThank God Biden is doing this if it was Trump they call him racist .", ">\n\nTrump admin did this and it was hailed as a great idea, because it was. And is.\nWho tf cares who the man or president is when it comes to health? Why are some people like this?", ">\n\nYou know that wasnt true.", ">\n\nWhy would they make a move that would indisputably send hundreds of thousands of infected into the wider world including those that may wind up being infected with a new variant or two? \nCan we at least conclude that China does not care about this possibility? Is that verboten to say?\nCan an axiomatically correct statement still result in a ban?", ">\n\nSounds kinda racist.", ">\n\nMakes absolute sense considering what's currently going on there. Canada should do the same. I'll even go as far as say suspend visas / entry from that part of the world temporarily, until they can get it under control", ">\n\nMakes sense. China is exploding with covid and who knows if/when the next bad variant develops there.", ">\n\nLmao Reddit enjoying their shut in lives so much I’d rather jump off the tallest bridge near me before going into lockdowns again.", ">\n\nXenophobia", ">\n\nXenophobic Biden", ">\n\nPeople are acting like Covid stopped spreading in the US… The US just decided to ignore it, that is until China gained more cases, and now it’s back to fear mongering Chinese people. I see that xenophobia is still alive and well in the US.", ">\n\nMy family and I caught covid during Thanksgiving after being careful for two years. Fortunately, we're all vaccinated so the symptoms didn't hit us too hard. We just got lax with being careful, but we'll probably be wearing our masks in crowded places just to be safe.", ">\n\nI never stopped wearing masks in the US while going to stores. The reality is we have had waves of Covid here in the US, and we have had different mutations of variants too.", ">\n\nThats racist. Biden should be ashamed of himself for allowing such bigotry and hatred towards our Chinese brethren.", ">\n\nThis applies to anyone traveling from China, not just the Chinese.", ">\n\nI wouldn’t think another country was rascist if the USA had a huge surge and temporarily suspended flights to:from the USA until the numbers came down.", ">\n\nSame biological warfare when westerners were entering into China in 2022?", ">\n\n50 Cent army, out in full force!", ">\n\nWhy are we letting anyone in from China?", ">\n\nCitizens and most permanent residents cannot be refused admission.", ">\n\nOh, here we go again.", ">\n\nKind of ironic seeing how the US has worse cases lmao", ">\n\nUS will keep up the bio attacks until the world complies with their foreign policy. Which is to keep China from becoming a threat to its hegemony", ">\n\nWeird how we can’t make our own citizens mask or test but we can make sure travelers from other places do \nWild how absolutely absurd the timeline we’re living in js", ">\n\nGood. We should not allow anyone from any country the opportunity to enter our country without proof.", ">\n\nIt’s not xenophobia, it’s (D)ifferent this time. Maybe if they let trump try this in the first place", ">\n\nThis just adds fuel to racist anti-Asian sentiment in the US. What about all the people on the plane with Chinese travelers who aren't Chinese? If the situation warrants testing of anyone, it warrants testing of everyone.", ">\n\nThis is just politics. Do we really want to pretend we don’t have an overwhelming amount of COVID cases right now in America? Everyone knows most people don’t test unless they’re very sick (which is rare now) and most who even do test use at home tests and don’t report the results. Can we really just not admit to ourselves as a nation that for the overwhelming majority of people COVID no longer poses a serious threat? Hospitalization, death and long COVID are statistically insignificant for healthy vaccinated individuals at this point I don’t see why anyone can see this as anymore than political posturing.", ">\n\nWelcome to the virtue signaling zone.", ">\n\nWell ??? Why wouldn't we check considering their outbreak is significant. Seriously was this a question ?", ">\n\nChina’s authoritarian regime locked down their country for years… this contained rhe virus until mass protests as well as international condemnations. So I believe Chinese govt is teaching their citizens a lesson. Let them roam free and allow international travel into the country. Let them get severely ill and die. Then they will acknowledge and apologize to the government. This type of reverse psychology isn’t new.", ">\n\nWe the People require a vigilant health care approach to our borders at the expense of [Pure Greed] from those who capitalize on what ails us\nWe the People demand all institutions do a readiness check \nAt which time We the People can demand a Meeting of the Continental Congress to address the state of our union, to reboot the principles and powers of the American Constitution and Bill of Rights, to re instate the neutral balance of power in the houses and senate of all levels of our current government[ one party control is not the operation of the United States of America 🇺🇸]", ">\n\nIf only we had this kind of foresight 3 years ago… we could have avoided this whole mess.", ">\n\nAnd Trump was called xenophobic when we asked for the same thing", ">\n\nExactly", ">\n\nWe should have another global 2020-tier lockdown period, imo. Work at home, way less flights active etc.", ">\n\nAnd millions of people, children, the most disadvantaged would die and suffer", ">\n\nI feel like they need to extend this restriction to all of Europe as well. It’s already spread outside of China.", ">\n\nSo I’m guessing it’s not racist now that Biden is doing it.", ">\n\nAgeeed", ">\n\nSome will get through. We may be in trouble.", ">\n\nIt's a racist policy. Why not ban people from Florida from traveling to the rest of the US? What's the difference?", ">\n\nThe scientific and medical community believe China is headed for another outbreak so this step is a must", ">\n\nCanadian here. I traveled from Toronto's Pearson International airport to the U S in November for Thanksgiving and the majority of travelers going through security were, I'd guess, Chinese carrying passports from that country, most not wearing masks. I don't really know if they were Canadian citizens or not but their passports definitely were not.", ">\n\nYet banning travel from China back in 2019-2020 was racist and xenophobic . No wonder the public has no confidence in the government.", ">\n\nI can’t believe the Biden admin actually went through this. They’re testing them just because they’re Chinese??? That is so racist smh", ">\n\nThis applies to anyone coming from China, not just Chinese citizens. It’s based on the ongoing outbreak, not their race.", ">\n\nWell it’s still racist to assume anyone from China is infected just because of where they’re coming from", ">\n\nIt’s not racist at all. “Coming from China” is not a race. They will test everyone on the plane regardless of demographics.", ">\n\nWhich is racist though. It’s the same thing Trump did by banning anyone coming from China. Why don’t they ban everyone coming from Japan? India? South Korea? Thailand? Etc? Why just the Chinese smh.", ">\n\nDamn that’s so racist #stopasianhate", ">\n\n2019 into 2020 all over again. \nAt least China has a strict ban on flights...\nOh", ">\n\nI don't think that's on China. I don't remember US banning any flights abroad during any of our surges?", ">\n\nI also don't remember the US being the origin of covid. \nChina has a special responsibility as a nation that fucked up and let covid grow out of control and escape its boundaries to not open up the export of viral vectors at the height of their crisis.\nCCP incompetence and mendacity has done enough already that they need to go above and beyond to keep shit as much as possible within their own borders.", ">\n\nThe fucks the point of that? They could be exposed, test negative and pop positive while they’re here or anywhere. Negative test doesn’t mean shit.", ">\n\nRayciss", ">\n\nThe government should require it for all airline passengers. Chinese travelers infected with COVID 19 are going to go to other countries too and some of those people will fly here. Likewise, there should be a requirement for all Americans going abroad so the U.S. doesn't spread COVID 19 to other countries.", ">\n\nChina the base screams, even democrats, the great enemy of this era. If England had a surge, nobody would be screaming for negative tests.", ">\n\nInconsiderate assholes", ">\n\nThat’s racist and anti Asian", ">\n\nHasn’t almost everyone in the US had it at this point? It’s like forbidding lighters in a forest that was recently burned down.", ">\n\nStop Asian Hate?", ">\n\nI feel that this is very anti Asian if it’s only for them." ]
> It’s prevention. There is a difference.
[ "People from China will travel through Europe and come in to America from the east coast like they did when the pandemic started. This will do nothing if all travelers aboard aren’t made to test.", ">\n\nLet's hope EU and other countries do the same.", ">\n\nI don't know if they will. Australia (for example) had some of the toughest Covid policies and they've essentially just thrown them all out the window.\nSo I don't know how willing countries are to go back to being overly concerned about Covid.", ">\n\nThey should be concerned w chinese, it's spreading like wildfire in china. If we aren't careful, they will come out w covid 20.", ">\n\nIt’s spreading everywhere including the USA. This policy has nothing to do with science or medicine. It’s just politics.", ">\n\nNo. It’s circulating like mad in a population of 1 billion people who haven’t been exposed before. This is how new variants come about. Every country should require negative Covid test for china at least until it cycles through the population", ">\n\n\nNo. It’s circulating like mad in a population of 1 billion people who haven’t been exposed before.\n\nIt's also spreading like mad in all the countries of the world including the USA.\n\nThis is how new variants come about. \n\nAnd they have been for years now.\n\nEvery country should require negative Covid test for china at least until it cycles through the population\n\nOnly for political reasons. There is no scientific or rational demand for this. \nI get it, you hate china, most americans hate china so just be honest and say what you really mean.", ">\n\nStrains are spreading in the west yes, but there are new strains in China that are spreading and we don't know if our vaccines will work with those strains. We know the Chinese vaccines have a low efficacy rate and we know they are not mRNA vaccines which allow for easier adaptation to new strains. Making travelers with a Chinese passport take Covid tests at any and all airports is not racist or even unfair - a reminder that China has been relatively hard to travel to for the last 2 years because they were locked down to foreign travel as well. This is simply good policy from a public health measure, and you not wanting to see that for what it is and instead attribute it to a nascent American hatred for China is laughable. the World Health Organization estimated close to 800 million new cases in China in the next few months, with another estimate 4 million deaths and countless new strains coming out during that period. This is about protection populations, not punishing China.", ">\n\n\nStrains are spreading in the west yes, but there are new strains in China that are spreading and we don't know if our vaccines will work with those strains.\n\nYou don't know if vaccines work against any new variant even if that variant is from a country populated with white people.\n\nWe know the Chinese vaccines have a low efficacy rate and we know they are not mRNA vaccines which allow for easier adaptation to new strains. \n\nThe vaccine doesn't adapt once inside of your body you know that right?\n\nMaking travelers with a Chinese passport take Covid tests at any and all airports is not racist or even unfair \n\nit's definitely unfair and probably racist as well.\n\nhis is simply good policy from a public health measure, a\n\nA good policy would be to require vaccinations from everybody. Think about it, you are requiring a vaccine that you said doesn't even work. How much sense does that make?\n\nattribute it to a nascent American hatred for China is laughable.\n\nNascent?\n\nThis is about protection populations, not punishing China.\n\nIt's definitely about punishing china, it's a part of the current cold war with China conducted by the USA.", ">\n\n\nYou don't know if vaccines work against any new variant even if that variant is from a country populated with white people.\n\nAll the more reason to not invite more new strains into the country. White population or otherwise has nothing to do with it, expected rise in cases in China does.\n\nThe vaccine doesn't adapt once inside of your body you know that right?\n\nYou missed the point. The point i was making was that the Chinese medical system has not even approached Covid with an mRNA vaccine, and steadfastly refused to license western vaccines. If the vaccine most readily available in China has a 50% efficacy then the population is at more risk of contracting the virus and having negative results. The infection rates are increased with each new case of BA.7 (China is currently seeing each covid patient infecting on average 18 other people represented as 1:18, whereas the in US the rate is 1:3.9). Each of these factors increases the risk of developing new strains that are vaccine resistant. \n\nit's definitely unfair and probably racist as well\n\nIs it your position that nations cannot take any prescriptive action to prevent the spread of infected persons from other countries? Again i would remind you that China has basically been locked down for the last 2 years, with severe limitations to personal freedoms themselves. This is not based on race, but rather a government's inability to contain a contagious outbreak in their own country and not wanting it to spread. \n\nA good policy would be to require vaccinations from everybody. Think about it, you are requiring a vaccine that you said doesn't even work. How much sense does that make?\n\nThat might be your definition on good policy, but it isn't mine and that isn't how the west does it. \"I\" am not requiring a vaccine that \"I\" said doesn't work - that was your suggestion not mine. Also, i said the efficacy of the Chinese vaccine is 50% - based on available information - i never said it didn't work, and i never said that it should be mandatory or required.\n\nNascent?\n\nPoor and wrong word choice on my part it seems. What i meant was ascribing the US decision to require testing of Chinese travelers to racism because you believe that the US is racist is laughable. Taking a test to prove that you are covid negative is far less onerous on a traveler than most visa requirements.\n\nIt's definitely about punishing china, it's a part of the current cold war with China conducted by the USA.\n\nCite your sources. I could point to many Chinese government policies that i could say are part of the current cold war with the US without backing it up and it would be just as credible as what you said. Opinion is not a source, and not proof. You assume that the US government is racist, that this policy is racist and yet we have had travel bans imposed on other countries, as well as testing required for travelers from other countries imposed before, and other policies and so has China. For goodness sake China has been closed to foreigners for almost 3 years, and is still closed to foreign travel until January 2023. Is that a racist policy as well?", ">\n\nHere we go again.\nThis time I think I'll learn French cooking.", ">\n\n5000 People a day will have to die before Anybody says the word Lock down in the States ever again.", ">\n\nDon’t understand why people can’t handle staying at home for two weeks when it could potentially eradicate a deadly virus. Are we that weak?", ">\n\nWe did that in large part in March 2020. And did China not spend years locking down their citizens? \nPeoples savings are gone. They need to work. \nWearing a mask would do a lot to help the issue but people aren’t willing to do that anymore.", ">\n\nWe didn't do that though. We didn't all lock down when we were supposed to. Where I work I had to go in from the very start all the way through. Most people, the majority of people, didn't stay home even if they didn't have work. Most people didn't fuck with masks or keeping a distance, and even people who weren't antivaccers didn't take the vaccine seriously for the longest time. \nWe had no fucking lock down, unless you were a well-off celebrity or comedian who wanted to talk about being locked down for content. \nIf people legit locked down, they would have taken a small hit financially, but too many people didn't do shit and prolonged everything.", ">\n\nThe things is that it doesn't take long to drain peoples saving - becuase the overwhelming majority of people have practically none. \nSo an extended lockdown was never feasible unless the government was willing to pay several trillion dollars of expenses, not just 2 or 3 times but several times over.", ">\n\nI didn't dispute any of what you said. I pointed out that most people actively contested any safety measure and most people didn't actually lock down. Any extension will almost certainly be the fault of most of those people. \nI'd gladly let them all die if it meant the few people who did take things seriously didn't have to live through a Walking Dead scenario or have to take a huge financial hit because them.", ">\n\nMost people did lock down just fine initially. After a few weeks turned into a month or more, yeah people got testy.\nAdditionally, a gigantic amount of people work in critical industries and simply cant stay home. Just keeping the lights and water on requires tens of millions of workers, plus industries like plants and refineries that simply cannot shut down without massive long-term consequences.\nReddit is full of office people who can WFH, the vast majority of people cant.", ">\n\nI was one of those who couldn't stay home. Right out of the gate most people gave up on almost all of it except when they were making a show of complying when they had to. There was a lot of cheating. I walk through a lot of different areas. The waves of patients and bodies we got at work tracked with that and became predictable.", ">\n\nWhat’s that saying that ends with ”…doomed to repeat it?”", ">\n\nWhy not just require a negative test from everyone?", ">\n\nWho would you expect to pay for that?", ">\n\nGovernments or sponsors from the private sector ideally, I honestly don’t give a fuck. I’ve gotten many free tests from both and I’ve also bought some for like $8.", ">\n\n“Here we go again” from everyone in the comments. \nThe virus never stopped, we did.", ">\n\nVirus will always be there. Permanent restrictions are unsustainable", ">\n\n3 years later...\nIs this permanent?", ">\n\nI doubt there's anything that would make Republicans running in 2024 happier then Democrats advocating for a return to COVID restrictions.", ">\n\nRight? It’d be like the democrats fighting for gun control, or gay and trans rights, or safe and legal abortions. It would be political suicide to stand for something that Republicans don’t like!", ">\n\nMy understanding is that everything you listed is broadly popular or has at least a majority of American's in favor of it. A return to COVID restrictions is not in that category.", ">\n\nGun control isn’t even universally loved amongst the American left, as the hard left needs them for protection from the hard right they clash with, and the middle left does like having their guns taken as much as any middle right wing does, only mid left likes it", ">\n\nGallup has 57% of Americans feeling that in general gun laws should be more strict.", ">\n\nRegular people want kids to stop dying while in school. The problem is \"stricter laws\" is vague and no one can agree on what it means or give a serious proposal that would work, short of confiscation and bans, which are wildly unpopular.", ">\n\nVague political talking points is the best we’re going to get. Much as I’d love a Ross Perot style of breaking down every platform and promise, the general public doesn’t go for it. Buzz words are all we have the attention span for.", ">\n\nChina's COVID-19 surge raises odds of new coronavirus variants\nThings could get very ugly.", ">\n\nYou say this like covid hasn't been spreading rampantly through literally every country on the planet, mostly without any measures to stop the spread. Why does China get a different treatment and maybe countries should require tests from the US or Inida or Europe?", ">\n\nI agree. US was primarily the culprit of why COVID went rampant to begin with. We actively refused to enforce any sort of safety measures, just a mild suggestion of \"maybe wear a mask, if you want to, it's ok if you don't\" and \"we have vaccines if you want one, no pressure tho\". That was really our response to the world's deadliest pandemic.", ">\n\nWe actively made fun of zero covid approaches on reddit and now based on the comments on this thread we are suddenly pro “zero covid” approaches", ">\n\nEveryone finally watched contagion", ">\n\nSo far my 2023 bingo card is reading alooot of skull and crossbones, I think I might actually win at something next year, what does your score card look like?", ">\n\nWhen’s that $1200 going to hit my account?", ">\n\nI’m still living off mine from last time!", ">\n\nI’m still looking for mine", ">\n\nI’m waiting for that $600 bucks from Biden still, but that’s going right into my retirement!", ">\n\nYou dont get he meant to include any money you already received as well /s", ">\n\nI seem to remember campaign ads with $2000 checks.", ">\n\nYep they explicitly mentioned $2,000 checks.", ">\n\nMy comment was sarcasm but in retrospect there are so many neoliberals saying that word for word in all seriousness that I should and will add a sarcasm tag", ">\n\nThat's nice and all, but let's not act like we're not just ignoring our own COVID problems.", ">\n\n\n\"You don't have zero tolerance anymore? We can't tolerate that.\"\n\n- Country with 100% tolerance", ">\n\nWhy not require a negative COVID test from everyone entering the country? It’s like they don’t want COVID to be under control.", ">\n\nI think this is because China has a relatively low vaccination rate because they relied on lock downs. Now that lock downs are being ramped down, they are having a huge surge.", ">\n\nThe vaccination rate in China is considerably higher than the US (92% vs 81%). This is just another example of yellow peril", ">\n\nThank you for pointing this out. What I said above was wrong about the vaccination rate. I don’t know why exactly China is having a surge. 🤷‍♂️", ">\n\nTheir vaccination rate is high but their vaccine, SinoVac is based on old tech. It conveys effectively zero protection from variants when compared to all the other types of vaccines on the market.", ">\n\nYou guys are so full of shit. At 3 doses Sinovac gives the same protection as any western vaccine with boosters to help mitigate mutated variants. Stop spreading misinfo.", ">\n\n\"Does that thumbnail of someone getting tested read too much like 'screaming uselessly into the void'?\"\n\"I'm sure it'll be fine.\"", ">\n\nMaybe, just maybe they shouldnt have stopped testing airplane passengers in the first place... \nWe have cheap, readily available tests that take 10 minutes to complete. There’s really no reason not to test ever passenger before boarding...", ">\n\nEveryone I know who had Omicron tested negative until their symptoms cleared. It was evading the RATs, for some reason.", ">\n\nI tested positive on a rapid test two days after getting congested. Every teacher coworker of mine who bothered to test after getting cold symptoms also did. I think it's why so few parents now test their kids before sending time to school sick. They don't want to know so we all find out when we or our family members then test positive, missing work on their sick kids' behalf so they didn't have to. \nI have also heard the rapid test can give false negatives but anecdotal references don't mean much.", ">\n\nA day late and a dollar short. Same old song and dance.", ">\n\nWow, it’s like history literally repeating itself.", ">\n\nIndeed it is. I hope everyone is prepared for what’s next.", ">\n\nWe should require negative COVID tests for people to fly within the US, too.\nIt makes no difference to me if the person who infects me at LAX is coming in from China, or from Texas.", ">\n\nThere is a high chance anyone that comes from China has Covid right now. Low chance that someone inside America has.", ">\n\nNaw. China’s percent is much higher, sure, but it’s not like US infection rates are low. You can pretty much guarantee an infected American on every sold out domestic flight. The latest variants are super, super contagious, and it only takes one infected person to pose a serious risk to the other people sharing their space, and then all of their families and friends after they land. All flights should still require testing and masking at this point, or all we’ve really accomplished is pacifying the dimwits and xenophobes.\nI know at least 3 people who 100% contracted COVID while flying domestically in the US this last month - because they were isolated for the incubation period beforehand. They were masked the entire time they were in the airport and on the plane.", ">\n\nIf they were masked up and I assume vaccinated and still caught the virus then preventable measures like these aren’t that effective.", ">\n\nIs there a new strain of Covid that isn't in the U.S yet, otherwise what's the point.", ">\n\nUm testing should not ever stop.", ">\n\nAh shit here we go again", ">\n\n\"Who left the fridge open?\"", ">\n\nIt's \"just a cold\" unless it's a non-white person from another country carrying it.\n/s", ">\n\nChina implemented an ineffective vaccine and had 30m+ cases in one day. It’s specifically that gov. refusing to use effective vaccines", ">\n\nAnd the United States had effective vaccines that half the country is not willing to nor willing to wear masks, while complaining to other countries like China about their travel restrictions (from China and Hong Kong). And honestly I’m not oppose to a tighter restriction on China while they are experiencing a surge in new cases just as it did with any other countries that initially loosen covid restrictions, what makes me question this being race or politically motivated is the hypocrisy; people complained about China being oppressive when it was enforcing all the covid restrictions and when they loosen it “China doesn’t care about human lives”.\nSo what exactly do you want them to do?", ">\n\n\nto Require Negative Covid Tests for Travelers From China\n\nLuckily China is well known for its systemic unwillingness to fake or counterfeit things, so everything should be fine.\nhonest.", ">\n\nSeems purely retaliatory with no actual effectiveness.\nEnforcement is over a week away and presumably China has hit its peak already (flights being 40% positive)", ">\n\nThe rich rats are going to buy fake tests and jump ship breaking quarantine just like they did in the first wave. Cutting flights or enforcing quarantines is the only way to prevent this stuff from jumping oceans but god forbid anybody inhibit the jet setters.", ">\n\nHALF of the passengers on a plane from China going to Italy tested positive the other day (tested on arrival). Chances are most if not all of them had negative test results they could show that they took before they left. This won't do anything to stop people coming into the US while positive..we are going to have to go through this all over again and we won't have the same somewhat cooperative response in the US this time if it is a variant that evades immunity... It will get REALLY bad.", ">\n\nSeriously they know red states will just let them in and will never do another shut down again. So start dealt with out break countries this way to slow it down or corner it. But I see very very bad days ahead for China and Russia is starting to report out breaks too.", ">\n\nMust. When?", ">\n\nWe already require this from canada iirc\nEdit: i was wrong, canada requires it from us.", ">\n\nI hope we are talking PCR tests... those store-bought 15-minute ones struggle to get a positive if you have any sort of vaccination, even while symptomatic and miserable.", ">\n\nWell, a little bit of good news. I'll take it.", ">\n\nTravel should have been 100$ restricted a long time ago. Travel should be restricted to any country experiencing a COVID outbreak.", ">\n\nWonderful. Another round of Asian hating.", ">\n\nWho's hating on Asians? We're trying to stop this virus from killing people.", ">\n\nor… ban flights from china??", ">\n\nDoesn’t make sense in singling out China when covid is widespread in every single country", ">\n\nThe extent of covid in china atm is just absurd. Two weeks ago, they had 37 MILLION cases in one day. Think about that. Thats more people than a lot of countries! \nsource", ">\n\nI wonder why China has so much trouble with COVID compared to other countries, despite being so strict.", ">\n\nIt’s because they had the zero covid approaches that people are advocating for in this thread and they suddenly reversed course. Everyone in China is getting it so fast its likely the same variants quickly spreading in a population that suddenly reversed course. Having many people getting it over time and exposed to new generations of the virus (which is what happens over time) is more insidious but people here think thats fine", ">\n\nEveryone saying this is racist, do not pay attention to the world", ">\n\nIt was called racist and xenophobic when Trump did it. The left are hypocritical emotional wrecks.", ">\n\nnah trump was racist or did you forget he called it the “china virus” and subsequent hate crimes increased against adians", ">\n\nLet’s not change the subject. We’re talking about testing travelers from China here. Always trying to deflect.", ">\n\nIs that what he did, though? That and nothing else? This is a Fox News headline, but I bet there's a lot more to it. There usually is.\nFYI, Italy is also requiring testing of travelers from China at this time.\nBecause of the high number of cases in China at this time.", ">\n\nSo many dumb replies here. I am sad about where humankind is at.", ">\n\nRound two people", ">\n\nWe need to ramp up testing again at border.", ">\n\nChina trying to stop Covid…lol! Fail miserably at that, build a huge infected population, then unleash it on the world. Great job China /s", ">\n\nSell then the Moderna vaccine so they can treat themselves, ans end this debacle.", ">\n\nEven if US send Moderna and Phizer vaccine, China will not use it, because they boast about \"superior\" Chinese vaccine and don't want to lose face.\n​\nUntil they change their attitude, I suggest keeping restriction in place for PRC travelers.", ">\n\nOh definitely.", ">\n\nCCP exporting covid again.", ">\n\nPaywall - can anyone help me read the article? It sounds great in theory but why wait so long? That’s how this all started in 2020. Test now!", ">\n\nChina has been in quarantine until the protests. They have a very low of vaccinated people, so now everyone's breathing on each other's necks, squeezing in tight places and now introducing another pandemic. \nI believe a combination of everyone quarantined for too long and non vaccinated people are making this a very deadly spread.", ">\n\nTheir vaccination rate is not too bad, except among the elderly. But their vaccine was shit even before all the variants.\nThey've been trying to use lockdown to prevent spread and with the new variants that just won't work.\nSo yeah, they're pretty fucked.", ">\n\nVaccination rate is good, but the rate of people who are up to date on boosters is where they fall short even beyond just the elderly. It also doesn't help that the vaccine being used is overall less effective than the ones being used elsewhere like you said. Makes those booster shots many are lacking even more critical.", ">\n\nApparently Americans only get worried when it’s Chinese people spreading Covid as opposed to their own residents, citizens and Europeans.", ">\n\nseems xenophobic /s", ">\n\noh I'm sure conservatives will be very concerned about the \"freedoms\" of those travelers from China", ">\n\nHow's this going to work for the 75% of all our manufactured goods coming in from China?", ">\n\nThank God Biden is doing this if it was Trump they call him racist .", ">\n\nTrump admin did this and it was hailed as a great idea, because it was. And is.\nWho tf cares who the man or president is when it comes to health? Why are some people like this?", ">\n\nYou know that wasnt true.", ">\n\nWhy would they make a move that would indisputably send hundreds of thousands of infected into the wider world including those that may wind up being infected with a new variant or two? \nCan we at least conclude that China does not care about this possibility? Is that verboten to say?\nCan an axiomatically correct statement still result in a ban?", ">\n\nSounds kinda racist.", ">\n\nMakes absolute sense considering what's currently going on there. Canada should do the same. I'll even go as far as say suspend visas / entry from that part of the world temporarily, until they can get it under control", ">\n\nMakes sense. China is exploding with covid and who knows if/when the next bad variant develops there.", ">\n\nLmao Reddit enjoying their shut in lives so much I’d rather jump off the tallest bridge near me before going into lockdowns again.", ">\n\nXenophobia", ">\n\nXenophobic Biden", ">\n\nPeople are acting like Covid stopped spreading in the US… The US just decided to ignore it, that is until China gained more cases, and now it’s back to fear mongering Chinese people. I see that xenophobia is still alive and well in the US.", ">\n\nMy family and I caught covid during Thanksgiving after being careful for two years. Fortunately, we're all vaccinated so the symptoms didn't hit us too hard. We just got lax with being careful, but we'll probably be wearing our masks in crowded places just to be safe.", ">\n\nI never stopped wearing masks in the US while going to stores. The reality is we have had waves of Covid here in the US, and we have had different mutations of variants too.", ">\n\nThats racist. Biden should be ashamed of himself for allowing such bigotry and hatred towards our Chinese brethren.", ">\n\nThis applies to anyone traveling from China, not just the Chinese.", ">\n\nI wouldn’t think another country was rascist if the USA had a huge surge and temporarily suspended flights to:from the USA until the numbers came down.", ">\n\nSame biological warfare when westerners were entering into China in 2022?", ">\n\n50 Cent army, out in full force!", ">\n\nWhy are we letting anyone in from China?", ">\n\nCitizens and most permanent residents cannot be refused admission.", ">\n\nOh, here we go again.", ">\n\nKind of ironic seeing how the US has worse cases lmao", ">\n\nUS will keep up the bio attacks until the world complies with their foreign policy. Which is to keep China from becoming a threat to its hegemony", ">\n\nWeird how we can’t make our own citizens mask or test but we can make sure travelers from other places do \nWild how absolutely absurd the timeline we’re living in js", ">\n\nGood. We should not allow anyone from any country the opportunity to enter our country without proof.", ">\n\nIt’s not xenophobia, it’s (D)ifferent this time. Maybe if they let trump try this in the first place", ">\n\nThis just adds fuel to racist anti-Asian sentiment in the US. What about all the people on the plane with Chinese travelers who aren't Chinese? If the situation warrants testing of anyone, it warrants testing of everyone.", ">\n\nThis is just politics. Do we really want to pretend we don’t have an overwhelming amount of COVID cases right now in America? Everyone knows most people don’t test unless they’re very sick (which is rare now) and most who even do test use at home tests and don’t report the results. Can we really just not admit to ourselves as a nation that for the overwhelming majority of people COVID no longer poses a serious threat? Hospitalization, death and long COVID are statistically insignificant for healthy vaccinated individuals at this point I don’t see why anyone can see this as anymore than political posturing.", ">\n\nWelcome to the virtue signaling zone.", ">\n\nWell ??? Why wouldn't we check considering their outbreak is significant. Seriously was this a question ?", ">\n\nChina’s authoritarian regime locked down their country for years… this contained rhe virus until mass protests as well as international condemnations. So I believe Chinese govt is teaching their citizens a lesson. Let them roam free and allow international travel into the country. Let them get severely ill and die. Then they will acknowledge and apologize to the government. This type of reverse psychology isn’t new.", ">\n\nWe the People require a vigilant health care approach to our borders at the expense of [Pure Greed] from those who capitalize on what ails us\nWe the People demand all institutions do a readiness check \nAt which time We the People can demand a Meeting of the Continental Congress to address the state of our union, to reboot the principles and powers of the American Constitution and Bill of Rights, to re instate the neutral balance of power in the houses and senate of all levels of our current government[ one party control is not the operation of the United States of America 🇺🇸]", ">\n\nIf only we had this kind of foresight 3 years ago… we could have avoided this whole mess.", ">\n\nAnd Trump was called xenophobic when we asked for the same thing", ">\n\nExactly", ">\n\nWe should have another global 2020-tier lockdown period, imo. Work at home, way less flights active etc.", ">\n\nAnd millions of people, children, the most disadvantaged would die and suffer", ">\n\nI feel like they need to extend this restriction to all of Europe as well. It’s already spread outside of China.", ">\n\nSo I’m guessing it’s not racist now that Biden is doing it.", ">\n\nAgeeed", ">\n\nSome will get through. We may be in trouble.", ">\n\nIt's a racist policy. Why not ban people from Florida from traveling to the rest of the US? What's the difference?", ">\n\nThe scientific and medical community believe China is headed for another outbreak so this step is a must", ">\n\nCanadian here. I traveled from Toronto's Pearson International airport to the U S in November for Thanksgiving and the majority of travelers going through security were, I'd guess, Chinese carrying passports from that country, most not wearing masks. I don't really know if they were Canadian citizens or not but their passports definitely were not.", ">\n\nYet banning travel from China back in 2019-2020 was racist and xenophobic . No wonder the public has no confidence in the government.", ">\n\nI can’t believe the Biden admin actually went through this. They’re testing them just because they’re Chinese??? That is so racist smh", ">\n\nThis applies to anyone coming from China, not just Chinese citizens. It’s based on the ongoing outbreak, not their race.", ">\n\nWell it’s still racist to assume anyone from China is infected just because of where they’re coming from", ">\n\nIt’s not racist at all. “Coming from China” is not a race. They will test everyone on the plane regardless of demographics.", ">\n\nWhich is racist though. It’s the same thing Trump did by banning anyone coming from China. Why don’t they ban everyone coming from Japan? India? South Korea? Thailand? Etc? Why just the Chinese smh.", ">\n\nDamn that’s so racist #stopasianhate", ">\n\n2019 into 2020 all over again. \nAt least China has a strict ban on flights...\nOh", ">\n\nI don't think that's on China. I don't remember US banning any flights abroad during any of our surges?", ">\n\nI also don't remember the US being the origin of covid. \nChina has a special responsibility as a nation that fucked up and let covid grow out of control and escape its boundaries to not open up the export of viral vectors at the height of their crisis.\nCCP incompetence and mendacity has done enough already that they need to go above and beyond to keep shit as much as possible within their own borders.", ">\n\nThe fucks the point of that? They could be exposed, test negative and pop positive while they’re here or anywhere. Negative test doesn’t mean shit.", ">\n\nRayciss", ">\n\nThe government should require it for all airline passengers. Chinese travelers infected with COVID 19 are going to go to other countries too and some of those people will fly here. Likewise, there should be a requirement for all Americans going abroad so the U.S. doesn't spread COVID 19 to other countries.", ">\n\nChina the base screams, even democrats, the great enemy of this era. If England had a surge, nobody would be screaming for negative tests.", ">\n\nInconsiderate assholes", ">\n\nThat’s racist and anti Asian", ">\n\nHasn’t almost everyone in the US had it at this point? It’s like forbidding lighters in a forest that was recently burned down.", ">\n\nStop Asian Hate?", ">\n\nI feel that this is very anti Asian if it’s only for them.", ">\n\nThis is racism" ]
> There sure wasn't when Trump was president
[ "People from China will travel through Europe and come in to America from the east coast like they did when the pandemic started. This will do nothing if all travelers aboard aren’t made to test.", ">\n\nLet's hope EU and other countries do the same.", ">\n\nI don't know if they will. Australia (for example) had some of the toughest Covid policies and they've essentially just thrown them all out the window.\nSo I don't know how willing countries are to go back to being overly concerned about Covid.", ">\n\nThey should be concerned w chinese, it's spreading like wildfire in china. If we aren't careful, they will come out w covid 20.", ">\n\nIt’s spreading everywhere including the USA. This policy has nothing to do with science or medicine. It’s just politics.", ">\n\nNo. It’s circulating like mad in a population of 1 billion people who haven’t been exposed before. This is how new variants come about. Every country should require negative Covid test for china at least until it cycles through the population", ">\n\n\nNo. It’s circulating like mad in a population of 1 billion people who haven’t been exposed before.\n\nIt's also spreading like mad in all the countries of the world including the USA.\n\nThis is how new variants come about. \n\nAnd they have been for years now.\n\nEvery country should require negative Covid test for china at least until it cycles through the population\n\nOnly for political reasons. There is no scientific or rational demand for this. \nI get it, you hate china, most americans hate china so just be honest and say what you really mean.", ">\n\nStrains are spreading in the west yes, but there are new strains in China that are spreading and we don't know if our vaccines will work with those strains. We know the Chinese vaccines have a low efficacy rate and we know they are not mRNA vaccines which allow for easier adaptation to new strains. Making travelers with a Chinese passport take Covid tests at any and all airports is not racist or even unfair - a reminder that China has been relatively hard to travel to for the last 2 years because they were locked down to foreign travel as well. This is simply good policy from a public health measure, and you not wanting to see that for what it is and instead attribute it to a nascent American hatred for China is laughable. the World Health Organization estimated close to 800 million new cases in China in the next few months, with another estimate 4 million deaths and countless new strains coming out during that period. This is about protection populations, not punishing China.", ">\n\n\nStrains are spreading in the west yes, but there are new strains in China that are spreading and we don't know if our vaccines will work with those strains.\n\nYou don't know if vaccines work against any new variant even if that variant is from a country populated with white people.\n\nWe know the Chinese vaccines have a low efficacy rate and we know they are not mRNA vaccines which allow for easier adaptation to new strains. \n\nThe vaccine doesn't adapt once inside of your body you know that right?\n\nMaking travelers with a Chinese passport take Covid tests at any and all airports is not racist or even unfair \n\nit's definitely unfair and probably racist as well.\n\nhis is simply good policy from a public health measure, a\n\nA good policy would be to require vaccinations from everybody. Think about it, you are requiring a vaccine that you said doesn't even work. How much sense does that make?\n\nattribute it to a nascent American hatred for China is laughable.\n\nNascent?\n\nThis is about protection populations, not punishing China.\n\nIt's definitely about punishing china, it's a part of the current cold war with China conducted by the USA.", ">\n\n\nYou don't know if vaccines work against any new variant even if that variant is from a country populated with white people.\n\nAll the more reason to not invite more new strains into the country. White population or otherwise has nothing to do with it, expected rise in cases in China does.\n\nThe vaccine doesn't adapt once inside of your body you know that right?\n\nYou missed the point. The point i was making was that the Chinese medical system has not even approached Covid with an mRNA vaccine, and steadfastly refused to license western vaccines. If the vaccine most readily available in China has a 50% efficacy then the population is at more risk of contracting the virus and having negative results. The infection rates are increased with each new case of BA.7 (China is currently seeing each covid patient infecting on average 18 other people represented as 1:18, whereas the in US the rate is 1:3.9). Each of these factors increases the risk of developing new strains that are vaccine resistant. \n\nit's definitely unfair and probably racist as well\n\nIs it your position that nations cannot take any prescriptive action to prevent the spread of infected persons from other countries? Again i would remind you that China has basically been locked down for the last 2 years, with severe limitations to personal freedoms themselves. This is not based on race, but rather a government's inability to contain a contagious outbreak in their own country and not wanting it to spread. \n\nA good policy would be to require vaccinations from everybody. Think about it, you are requiring a vaccine that you said doesn't even work. How much sense does that make?\n\nThat might be your definition on good policy, but it isn't mine and that isn't how the west does it. \"I\" am not requiring a vaccine that \"I\" said doesn't work - that was your suggestion not mine. Also, i said the efficacy of the Chinese vaccine is 50% - based on available information - i never said it didn't work, and i never said that it should be mandatory or required.\n\nNascent?\n\nPoor and wrong word choice on my part it seems. What i meant was ascribing the US decision to require testing of Chinese travelers to racism because you believe that the US is racist is laughable. Taking a test to prove that you are covid negative is far less onerous on a traveler than most visa requirements.\n\nIt's definitely about punishing china, it's a part of the current cold war with China conducted by the USA.\n\nCite your sources. I could point to many Chinese government policies that i could say are part of the current cold war with the US without backing it up and it would be just as credible as what you said. Opinion is not a source, and not proof. You assume that the US government is racist, that this policy is racist and yet we have had travel bans imposed on other countries, as well as testing required for travelers from other countries imposed before, and other policies and so has China. For goodness sake China has been closed to foreigners for almost 3 years, and is still closed to foreign travel until January 2023. Is that a racist policy as well?", ">\n\nHere we go again.\nThis time I think I'll learn French cooking.", ">\n\n5000 People a day will have to die before Anybody says the word Lock down in the States ever again.", ">\n\nDon’t understand why people can’t handle staying at home for two weeks when it could potentially eradicate a deadly virus. Are we that weak?", ">\n\nWe did that in large part in March 2020. And did China not spend years locking down their citizens? \nPeoples savings are gone. They need to work. \nWearing a mask would do a lot to help the issue but people aren’t willing to do that anymore.", ">\n\nWe didn't do that though. We didn't all lock down when we were supposed to. Where I work I had to go in from the very start all the way through. Most people, the majority of people, didn't stay home even if they didn't have work. Most people didn't fuck with masks or keeping a distance, and even people who weren't antivaccers didn't take the vaccine seriously for the longest time. \nWe had no fucking lock down, unless you were a well-off celebrity or comedian who wanted to talk about being locked down for content. \nIf people legit locked down, they would have taken a small hit financially, but too many people didn't do shit and prolonged everything.", ">\n\nThe things is that it doesn't take long to drain peoples saving - becuase the overwhelming majority of people have practically none. \nSo an extended lockdown was never feasible unless the government was willing to pay several trillion dollars of expenses, not just 2 or 3 times but several times over.", ">\n\nI didn't dispute any of what you said. I pointed out that most people actively contested any safety measure and most people didn't actually lock down. Any extension will almost certainly be the fault of most of those people. \nI'd gladly let them all die if it meant the few people who did take things seriously didn't have to live through a Walking Dead scenario or have to take a huge financial hit because them.", ">\n\nMost people did lock down just fine initially. After a few weeks turned into a month or more, yeah people got testy.\nAdditionally, a gigantic amount of people work in critical industries and simply cant stay home. Just keeping the lights and water on requires tens of millions of workers, plus industries like plants and refineries that simply cannot shut down without massive long-term consequences.\nReddit is full of office people who can WFH, the vast majority of people cant.", ">\n\nI was one of those who couldn't stay home. Right out of the gate most people gave up on almost all of it except when they were making a show of complying when they had to. There was a lot of cheating. I walk through a lot of different areas. The waves of patients and bodies we got at work tracked with that and became predictable.", ">\n\nWhat’s that saying that ends with ”…doomed to repeat it?”", ">\n\nWhy not just require a negative test from everyone?", ">\n\nWho would you expect to pay for that?", ">\n\nGovernments or sponsors from the private sector ideally, I honestly don’t give a fuck. I’ve gotten many free tests from both and I’ve also bought some for like $8.", ">\n\n“Here we go again” from everyone in the comments. \nThe virus never stopped, we did.", ">\n\nVirus will always be there. Permanent restrictions are unsustainable", ">\n\n3 years later...\nIs this permanent?", ">\n\nI doubt there's anything that would make Republicans running in 2024 happier then Democrats advocating for a return to COVID restrictions.", ">\n\nRight? It’d be like the democrats fighting for gun control, or gay and trans rights, or safe and legal abortions. It would be political suicide to stand for something that Republicans don’t like!", ">\n\nMy understanding is that everything you listed is broadly popular or has at least a majority of American's in favor of it. A return to COVID restrictions is not in that category.", ">\n\nGun control isn’t even universally loved amongst the American left, as the hard left needs them for protection from the hard right they clash with, and the middle left does like having their guns taken as much as any middle right wing does, only mid left likes it", ">\n\nGallup has 57% of Americans feeling that in general gun laws should be more strict.", ">\n\nRegular people want kids to stop dying while in school. The problem is \"stricter laws\" is vague and no one can agree on what it means or give a serious proposal that would work, short of confiscation and bans, which are wildly unpopular.", ">\n\nVague political talking points is the best we’re going to get. Much as I’d love a Ross Perot style of breaking down every platform and promise, the general public doesn’t go for it. Buzz words are all we have the attention span for.", ">\n\nChina's COVID-19 surge raises odds of new coronavirus variants\nThings could get very ugly.", ">\n\nYou say this like covid hasn't been spreading rampantly through literally every country on the planet, mostly without any measures to stop the spread. Why does China get a different treatment and maybe countries should require tests from the US or Inida or Europe?", ">\n\nI agree. US was primarily the culprit of why COVID went rampant to begin with. We actively refused to enforce any sort of safety measures, just a mild suggestion of \"maybe wear a mask, if you want to, it's ok if you don't\" and \"we have vaccines if you want one, no pressure tho\". That was really our response to the world's deadliest pandemic.", ">\n\nWe actively made fun of zero covid approaches on reddit and now based on the comments on this thread we are suddenly pro “zero covid” approaches", ">\n\nEveryone finally watched contagion", ">\n\nSo far my 2023 bingo card is reading alooot of skull and crossbones, I think I might actually win at something next year, what does your score card look like?", ">\n\nWhen’s that $1200 going to hit my account?", ">\n\nI’m still living off mine from last time!", ">\n\nI’m still looking for mine", ">\n\nI’m waiting for that $600 bucks from Biden still, but that’s going right into my retirement!", ">\n\nYou dont get he meant to include any money you already received as well /s", ">\n\nI seem to remember campaign ads with $2000 checks.", ">\n\nYep they explicitly mentioned $2,000 checks.", ">\n\nMy comment was sarcasm but in retrospect there are so many neoliberals saying that word for word in all seriousness that I should and will add a sarcasm tag", ">\n\nThat's nice and all, but let's not act like we're not just ignoring our own COVID problems.", ">\n\n\n\"You don't have zero tolerance anymore? We can't tolerate that.\"\n\n- Country with 100% tolerance", ">\n\nWhy not require a negative COVID test from everyone entering the country? It’s like they don’t want COVID to be under control.", ">\n\nI think this is because China has a relatively low vaccination rate because they relied on lock downs. Now that lock downs are being ramped down, they are having a huge surge.", ">\n\nThe vaccination rate in China is considerably higher than the US (92% vs 81%). This is just another example of yellow peril", ">\n\nThank you for pointing this out. What I said above was wrong about the vaccination rate. I don’t know why exactly China is having a surge. 🤷‍♂️", ">\n\nTheir vaccination rate is high but their vaccine, SinoVac is based on old tech. It conveys effectively zero protection from variants when compared to all the other types of vaccines on the market.", ">\n\nYou guys are so full of shit. At 3 doses Sinovac gives the same protection as any western vaccine with boosters to help mitigate mutated variants. Stop spreading misinfo.", ">\n\n\"Does that thumbnail of someone getting tested read too much like 'screaming uselessly into the void'?\"\n\"I'm sure it'll be fine.\"", ">\n\nMaybe, just maybe they shouldnt have stopped testing airplane passengers in the first place... \nWe have cheap, readily available tests that take 10 minutes to complete. There’s really no reason not to test ever passenger before boarding...", ">\n\nEveryone I know who had Omicron tested negative until their symptoms cleared. It was evading the RATs, for some reason.", ">\n\nI tested positive on a rapid test two days after getting congested. Every teacher coworker of mine who bothered to test after getting cold symptoms also did. I think it's why so few parents now test their kids before sending time to school sick. They don't want to know so we all find out when we or our family members then test positive, missing work on their sick kids' behalf so they didn't have to. \nI have also heard the rapid test can give false negatives but anecdotal references don't mean much.", ">\n\nA day late and a dollar short. Same old song and dance.", ">\n\nWow, it’s like history literally repeating itself.", ">\n\nIndeed it is. I hope everyone is prepared for what’s next.", ">\n\nWe should require negative COVID tests for people to fly within the US, too.\nIt makes no difference to me if the person who infects me at LAX is coming in from China, or from Texas.", ">\n\nThere is a high chance anyone that comes from China has Covid right now. Low chance that someone inside America has.", ">\n\nNaw. China’s percent is much higher, sure, but it’s not like US infection rates are low. You can pretty much guarantee an infected American on every sold out domestic flight. The latest variants are super, super contagious, and it only takes one infected person to pose a serious risk to the other people sharing their space, and then all of their families and friends after they land. All flights should still require testing and masking at this point, or all we’ve really accomplished is pacifying the dimwits and xenophobes.\nI know at least 3 people who 100% contracted COVID while flying domestically in the US this last month - because they were isolated for the incubation period beforehand. They were masked the entire time they were in the airport and on the plane.", ">\n\nIf they were masked up and I assume vaccinated and still caught the virus then preventable measures like these aren’t that effective.", ">\n\nIs there a new strain of Covid that isn't in the U.S yet, otherwise what's the point.", ">\n\nUm testing should not ever stop.", ">\n\nAh shit here we go again", ">\n\n\"Who left the fridge open?\"", ">\n\nIt's \"just a cold\" unless it's a non-white person from another country carrying it.\n/s", ">\n\nChina implemented an ineffective vaccine and had 30m+ cases in one day. It’s specifically that gov. refusing to use effective vaccines", ">\n\nAnd the United States had effective vaccines that half the country is not willing to nor willing to wear masks, while complaining to other countries like China about their travel restrictions (from China and Hong Kong). And honestly I’m not oppose to a tighter restriction on China while they are experiencing a surge in new cases just as it did with any other countries that initially loosen covid restrictions, what makes me question this being race or politically motivated is the hypocrisy; people complained about China being oppressive when it was enforcing all the covid restrictions and when they loosen it “China doesn’t care about human lives”.\nSo what exactly do you want them to do?", ">\n\n\nto Require Negative Covid Tests for Travelers From China\n\nLuckily China is well known for its systemic unwillingness to fake or counterfeit things, so everything should be fine.\nhonest.", ">\n\nSeems purely retaliatory with no actual effectiveness.\nEnforcement is over a week away and presumably China has hit its peak already (flights being 40% positive)", ">\n\nThe rich rats are going to buy fake tests and jump ship breaking quarantine just like they did in the first wave. Cutting flights or enforcing quarantines is the only way to prevent this stuff from jumping oceans but god forbid anybody inhibit the jet setters.", ">\n\nHALF of the passengers on a plane from China going to Italy tested positive the other day (tested on arrival). Chances are most if not all of them had negative test results they could show that they took before they left. This won't do anything to stop people coming into the US while positive..we are going to have to go through this all over again and we won't have the same somewhat cooperative response in the US this time if it is a variant that evades immunity... It will get REALLY bad.", ">\n\nSeriously they know red states will just let them in and will never do another shut down again. So start dealt with out break countries this way to slow it down or corner it. But I see very very bad days ahead for China and Russia is starting to report out breaks too.", ">\n\nMust. When?", ">\n\nWe already require this from canada iirc\nEdit: i was wrong, canada requires it from us.", ">\n\nI hope we are talking PCR tests... those store-bought 15-minute ones struggle to get a positive if you have any sort of vaccination, even while symptomatic and miserable.", ">\n\nWell, a little bit of good news. I'll take it.", ">\n\nTravel should have been 100$ restricted a long time ago. Travel should be restricted to any country experiencing a COVID outbreak.", ">\n\nWonderful. Another round of Asian hating.", ">\n\nWho's hating on Asians? We're trying to stop this virus from killing people.", ">\n\nor… ban flights from china??", ">\n\nDoesn’t make sense in singling out China when covid is widespread in every single country", ">\n\nThe extent of covid in china atm is just absurd. Two weeks ago, they had 37 MILLION cases in one day. Think about that. Thats more people than a lot of countries! \nsource", ">\n\nI wonder why China has so much trouble with COVID compared to other countries, despite being so strict.", ">\n\nIt’s because they had the zero covid approaches that people are advocating for in this thread and they suddenly reversed course. Everyone in China is getting it so fast its likely the same variants quickly spreading in a population that suddenly reversed course. Having many people getting it over time and exposed to new generations of the virus (which is what happens over time) is more insidious but people here think thats fine", ">\n\nEveryone saying this is racist, do not pay attention to the world", ">\n\nIt was called racist and xenophobic when Trump did it. The left are hypocritical emotional wrecks.", ">\n\nnah trump was racist or did you forget he called it the “china virus” and subsequent hate crimes increased against adians", ">\n\nLet’s not change the subject. We’re talking about testing travelers from China here. Always trying to deflect.", ">\n\nIs that what he did, though? That and nothing else? This is a Fox News headline, but I bet there's a lot more to it. There usually is.\nFYI, Italy is also requiring testing of travelers from China at this time.\nBecause of the high number of cases in China at this time.", ">\n\nSo many dumb replies here. I am sad about where humankind is at.", ">\n\nRound two people", ">\n\nWe need to ramp up testing again at border.", ">\n\nChina trying to stop Covid…lol! Fail miserably at that, build a huge infected population, then unleash it on the world. Great job China /s", ">\n\nSell then the Moderna vaccine so they can treat themselves, ans end this debacle.", ">\n\nEven if US send Moderna and Phizer vaccine, China will not use it, because they boast about \"superior\" Chinese vaccine and don't want to lose face.\n​\nUntil they change their attitude, I suggest keeping restriction in place for PRC travelers.", ">\n\nOh definitely.", ">\n\nCCP exporting covid again.", ">\n\nPaywall - can anyone help me read the article? It sounds great in theory but why wait so long? That’s how this all started in 2020. Test now!", ">\n\nChina has been in quarantine until the protests. They have a very low of vaccinated people, so now everyone's breathing on each other's necks, squeezing in tight places and now introducing another pandemic. \nI believe a combination of everyone quarantined for too long and non vaccinated people are making this a very deadly spread.", ">\n\nTheir vaccination rate is not too bad, except among the elderly. But their vaccine was shit even before all the variants.\nThey've been trying to use lockdown to prevent spread and with the new variants that just won't work.\nSo yeah, they're pretty fucked.", ">\n\nVaccination rate is good, but the rate of people who are up to date on boosters is where they fall short even beyond just the elderly. It also doesn't help that the vaccine being used is overall less effective than the ones being used elsewhere like you said. Makes those booster shots many are lacking even more critical.", ">\n\nApparently Americans only get worried when it’s Chinese people spreading Covid as opposed to their own residents, citizens and Europeans.", ">\n\nseems xenophobic /s", ">\n\noh I'm sure conservatives will be very concerned about the \"freedoms\" of those travelers from China", ">\n\nHow's this going to work for the 75% of all our manufactured goods coming in from China?", ">\n\nThank God Biden is doing this if it was Trump they call him racist .", ">\n\nTrump admin did this and it was hailed as a great idea, because it was. And is.\nWho tf cares who the man or president is when it comes to health? Why are some people like this?", ">\n\nYou know that wasnt true.", ">\n\nWhy would they make a move that would indisputably send hundreds of thousands of infected into the wider world including those that may wind up being infected with a new variant or two? \nCan we at least conclude that China does not care about this possibility? Is that verboten to say?\nCan an axiomatically correct statement still result in a ban?", ">\n\nSounds kinda racist.", ">\n\nMakes absolute sense considering what's currently going on there. Canada should do the same. I'll even go as far as say suspend visas / entry from that part of the world temporarily, until they can get it under control", ">\n\nMakes sense. China is exploding with covid and who knows if/when the next bad variant develops there.", ">\n\nLmao Reddit enjoying their shut in lives so much I’d rather jump off the tallest bridge near me before going into lockdowns again.", ">\n\nXenophobia", ">\n\nXenophobic Biden", ">\n\nPeople are acting like Covid stopped spreading in the US… The US just decided to ignore it, that is until China gained more cases, and now it’s back to fear mongering Chinese people. I see that xenophobia is still alive and well in the US.", ">\n\nMy family and I caught covid during Thanksgiving after being careful for two years. Fortunately, we're all vaccinated so the symptoms didn't hit us too hard. We just got lax with being careful, but we'll probably be wearing our masks in crowded places just to be safe.", ">\n\nI never stopped wearing masks in the US while going to stores. The reality is we have had waves of Covid here in the US, and we have had different mutations of variants too.", ">\n\nThats racist. Biden should be ashamed of himself for allowing such bigotry and hatred towards our Chinese brethren.", ">\n\nThis applies to anyone traveling from China, not just the Chinese.", ">\n\nI wouldn’t think another country was rascist if the USA had a huge surge and temporarily suspended flights to:from the USA until the numbers came down.", ">\n\nSame biological warfare when westerners were entering into China in 2022?", ">\n\n50 Cent army, out in full force!", ">\n\nWhy are we letting anyone in from China?", ">\n\nCitizens and most permanent residents cannot be refused admission.", ">\n\nOh, here we go again.", ">\n\nKind of ironic seeing how the US has worse cases lmao", ">\n\nUS will keep up the bio attacks until the world complies with their foreign policy. Which is to keep China from becoming a threat to its hegemony", ">\n\nWeird how we can’t make our own citizens mask or test but we can make sure travelers from other places do \nWild how absolutely absurd the timeline we’re living in js", ">\n\nGood. We should not allow anyone from any country the opportunity to enter our country without proof.", ">\n\nIt’s not xenophobia, it’s (D)ifferent this time. Maybe if they let trump try this in the first place", ">\n\nThis just adds fuel to racist anti-Asian sentiment in the US. What about all the people on the plane with Chinese travelers who aren't Chinese? If the situation warrants testing of anyone, it warrants testing of everyone.", ">\n\nThis is just politics. Do we really want to pretend we don’t have an overwhelming amount of COVID cases right now in America? Everyone knows most people don’t test unless they’re very sick (which is rare now) and most who even do test use at home tests and don’t report the results. Can we really just not admit to ourselves as a nation that for the overwhelming majority of people COVID no longer poses a serious threat? Hospitalization, death and long COVID are statistically insignificant for healthy vaccinated individuals at this point I don’t see why anyone can see this as anymore than political posturing.", ">\n\nWelcome to the virtue signaling zone.", ">\n\nWell ??? Why wouldn't we check considering their outbreak is significant. Seriously was this a question ?", ">\n\nChina’s authoritarian regime locked down their country for years… this contained rhe virus until mass protests as well as international condemnations. So I believe Chinese govt is teaching their citizens a lesson. Let them roam free and allow international travel into the country. Let them get severely ill and die. Then they will acknowledge and apologize to the government. This type of reverse psychology isn’t new.", ">\n\nWe the People require a vigilant health care approach to our borders at the expense of [Pure Greed] from those who capitalize on what ails us\nWe the People demand all institutions do a readiness check \nAt which time We the People can demand a Meeting of the Continental Congress to address the state of our union, to reboot the principles and powers of the American Constitution and Bill of Rights, to re instate the neutral balance of power in the houses and senate of all levels of our current government[ one party control is not the operation of the United States of America 🇺🇸]", ">\n\nIf only we had this kind of foresight 3 years ago… we could have avoided this whole mess.", ">\n\nAnd Trump was called xenophobic when we asked for the same thing", ">\n\nExactly", ">\n\nWe should have another global 2020-tier lockdown period, imo. Work at home, way less flights active etc.", ">\n\nAnd millions of people, children, the most disadvantaged would die and suffer", ">\n\nI feel like they need to extend this restriction to all of Europe as well. It’s already spread outside of China.", ">\n\nSo I’m guessing it’s not racist now that Biden is doing it.", ">\n\nAgeeed", ">\n\nSome will get through. We may be in trouble.", ">\n\nIt's a racist policy. Why not ban people from Florida from traveling to the rest of the US? What's the difference?", ">\n\nThe scientific and medical community believe China is headed for another outbreak so this step is a must", ">\n\nCanadian here. I traveled from Toronto's Pearson International airport to the U S in November for Thanksgiving and the majority of travelers going through security were, I'd guess, Chinese carrying passports from that country, most not wearing masks. I don't really know if they were Canadian citizens or not but their passports definitely were not.", ">\n\nYet banning travel from China back in 2019-2020 was racist and xenophobic . No wonder the public has no confidence in the government.", ">\n\nI can’t believe the Biden admin actually went through this. They’re testing them just because they’re Chinese??? That is so racist smh", ">\n\nThis applies to anyone coming from China, not just Chinese citizens. It’s based on the ongoing outbreak, not their race.", ">\n\nWell it’s still racist to assume anyone from China is infected just because of where they’re coming from", ">\n\nIt’s not racist at all. “Coming from China” is not a race. They will test everyone on the plane regardless of demographics.", ">\n\nWhich is racist though. It’s the same thing Trump did by banning anyone coming from China. Why don’t they ban everyone coming from Japan? India? South Korea? Thailand? Etc? Why just the Chinese smh.", ">\n\nDamn that’s so racist #stopasianhate", ">\n\n2019 into 2020 all over again. \nAt least China has a strict ban on flights...\nOh", ">\n\nI don't think that's on China. I don't remember US banning any flights abroad during any of our surges?", ">\n\nI also don't remember the US being the origin of covid. \nChina has a special responsibility as a nation that fucked up and let covid grow out of control and escape its boundaries to not open up the export of viral vectors at the height of their crisis.\nCCP incompetence and mendacity has done enough already that they need to go above and beyond to keep shit as much as possible within their own borders.", ">\n\nThe fucks the point of that? They could be exposed, test negative and pop positive while they’re here or anywhere. Negative test doesn’t mean shit.", ">\n\nRayciss", ">\n\nThe government should require it for all airline passengers. Chinese travelers infected with COVID 19 are going to go to other countries too and some of those people will fly here. Likewise, there should be a requirement for all Americans going abroad so the U.S. doesn't spread COVID 19 to other countries.", ">\n\nChina the base screams, even democrats, the great enemy of this era. If England had a surge, nobody would be screaming for negative tests.", ">\n\nInconsiderate assholes", ">\n\nThat’s racist and anti Asian", ">\n\nHasn’t almost everyone in the US had it at this point? It’s like forbidding lighters in a forest that was recently burned down.", ">\n\nStop Asian Hate?", ">\n\nI feel that this is very anti Asian if it’s only for them.", ">\n\nThis is racism", ">\n\nIt’s prevention. There is a difference." ]
> That's rich
[ "People from China will travel through Europe and come in to America from the east coast like they did when the pandemic started. This will do nothing if all travelers aboard aren’t made to test.", ">\n\nLet's hope EU and other countries do the same.", ">\n\nI don't know if they will. Australia (for example) had some of the toughest Covid policies and they've essentially just thrown them all out the window.\nSo I don't know how willing countries are to go back to being overly concerned about Covid.", ">\n\nThey should be concerned w chinese, it's spreading like wildfire in china. If we aren't careful, they will come out w covid 20.", ">\n\nIt’s spreading everywhere including the USA. This policy has nothing to do with science or medicine. It’s just politics.", ">\n\nNo. It’s circulating like mad in a population of 1 billion people who haven’t been exposed before. This is how new variants come about. Every country should require negative Covid test for china at least until it cycles through the population", ">\n\n\nNo. It’s circulating like mad in a population of 1 billion people who haven’t been exposed before.\n\nIt's also spreading like mad in all the countries of the world including the USA.\n\nThis is how new variants come about. \n\nAnd they have been for years now.\n\nEvery country should require negative Covid test for china at least until it cycles through the population\n\nOnly for political reasons. There is no scientific or rational demand for this. \nI get it, you hate china, most americans hate china so just be honest and say what you really mean.", ">\n\nStrains are spreading in the west yes, but there are new strains in China that are spreading and we don't know if our vaccines will work with those strains. We know the Chinese vaccines have a low efficacy rate and we know they are not mRNA vaccines which allow for easier adaptation to new strains. Making travelers with a Chinese passport take Covid tests at any and all airports is not racist or even unfair - a reminder that China has been relatively hard to travel to for the last 2 years because they were locked down to foreign travel as well. This is simply good policy from a public health measure, and you not wanting to see that for what it is and instead attribute it to a nascent American hatred for China is laughable. the World Health Organization estimated close to 800 million new cases in China in the next few months, with another estimate 4 million deaths and countless new strains coming out during that period. This is about protection populations, not punishing China.", ">\n\n\nStrains are spreading in the west yes, but there are new strains in China that are spreading and we don't know if our vaccines will work with those strains.\n\nYou don't know if vaccines work against any new variant even if that variant is from a country populated with white people.\n\nWe know the Chinese vaccines have a low efficacy rate and we know they are not mRNA vaccines which allow for easier adaptation to new strains. \n\nThe vaccine doesn't adapt once inside of your body you know that right?\n\nMaking travelers with a Chinese passport take Covid tests at any and all airports is not racist or even unfair \n\nit's definitely unfair and probably racist as well.\n\nhis is simply good policy from a public health measure, a\n\nA good policy would be to require vaccinations from everybody. Think about it, you are requiring a vaccine that you said doesn't even work. How much sense does that make?\n\nattribute it to a nascent American hatred for China is laughable.\n\nNascent?\n\nThis is about protection populations, not punishing China.\n\nIt's definitely about punishing china, it's a part of the current cold war with China conducted by the USA.", ">\n\n\nYou don't know if vaccines work against any new variant even if that variant is from a country populated with white people.\n\nAll the more reason to not invite more new strains into the country. White population or otherwise has nothing to do with it, expected rise in cases in China does.\n\nThe vaccine doesn't adapt once inside of your body you know that right?\n\nYou missed the point. The point i was making was that the Chinese medical system has not even approached Covid with an mRNA vaccine, and steadfastly refused to license western vaccines. If the vaccine most readily available in China has a 50% efficacy then the population is at more risk of contracting the virus and having negative results. The infection rates are increased with each new case of BA.7 (China is currently seeing each covid patient infecting on average 18 other people represented as 1:18, whereas the in US the rate is 1:3.9). Each of these factors increases the risk of developing new strains that are vaccine resistant. \n\nit's definitely unfair and probably racist as well\n\nIs it your position that nations cannot take any prescriptive action to prevent the spread of infected persons from other countries? Again i would remind you that China has basically been locked down for the last 2 years, with severe limitations to personal freedoms themselves. This is not based on race, but rather a government's inability to contain a contagious outbreak in their own country and not wanting it to spread. \n\nA good policy would be to require vaccinations from everybody. Think about it, you are requiring a vaccine that you said doesn't even work. How much sense does that make?\n\nThat might be your definition on good policy, but it isn't mine and that isn't how the west does it. \"I\" am not requiring a vaccine that \"I\" said doesn't work - that was your suggestion not mine. Also, i said the efficacy of the Chinese vaccine is 50% - based on available information - i never said it didn't work, and i never said that it should be mandatory or required.\n\nNascent?\n\nPoor and wrong word choice on my part it seems. What i meant was ascribing the US decision to require testing of Chinese travelers to racism because you believe that the US is racist is laughable. Taking a test to prove that you are covid negative is far less onerous on a traveler than most visa requirements.\n\nIt's definitely about punishing china, it's a part of the current cold war with China conducted by the USA.\n\nCite your sources. I could point to many Chinese government policies that i could say are part of the current cold war with the US without backing it up and it would be just as credible as what you said. Opinion is not a source, and not proof. You assume that the US government is racist, that this policy is racist and yet we have had travel bans imposed on other countries, as well as testing required for travelers from other countries imposed before, and other policies and so has China. For goodness sake China has been closed to foreigners for almost 3 years, and is still closed to foreign travel until January 2023. Is that a racist policy as well?", ">\n\nHere we go again.\nThis time I think I'll learn French cooking.", ">\n\n5000 People a day will have to die before Anybody says the word Lock down in the States ever again.", ">\n\nDon’t understand why people can’t handle staying at home for two weeks when it could potentially eradicate a deadly virus. Are we that weak?", ">\n\nWe did that in large part in March 2020. And did China not spend years locking down their citizens? \nPeoples savings are gone. They need to work. \nWearing a mask would do a lot to help the issue but people aren’t willing to do that anymore.", ">\n\nWe didn't do that though. We didn't all lock down when we were supposed to. Where I work I had to go in from the very start all the way through. Most people, the majority of people, didn't stay home even if they didn't have work. Most people didn't fuck with masks or keeping a distance, and even people who weren't antivaccers didn't take the vaccine seriously for the longest time. \nWe had no fucking lock down, unless you were a well-off celebrity or comedian who wanted to talk about being locked down for content. \nIf people legit locked down, they would have taken a small hit financially, but too many people didn't do shit and prolonged everything.", ">\n\nThe things is that it doesn't take long to drain peoples saving - becuase the overwhelming majority of people have practically none. \nSo an extended lockdown was never feasible unless the government was willing to pay several trillion dollars of expenses, not just 2 or 3 times but several times over.", ">\n\nI didn't dispute any of what you said. I pointed out that most people actively contested any safety measure and most people didn't actually lock down. Any extension will almost certainly be the fault of most of those people. \nI'd gladly let them all die if it meant the few people who did take things seriously didn't have to live through a Walking Dead scenario or have to take a huge financial hit because them.", ">\n\nMost people did lock down just fine initially. After a few weeks turned into a month or more, yeah people got testy.\nAdditionally, a gigantic amount of people work in critical industries and simply cant stay home. Just keeping the lights and water on requires tens of millions of workers, plus industries like plants and refineries that simply cannot shut down without massive long-term consequences.\nReddit is full of office people who can WFH, the vast majority of people cant.", ">\n\nI was one of those who couldn't stay home. Right out of the gate most people gave up on almost all of it except when they were making a show of complying when they had to. There was a lot of cheating. I walk through a lot of different areas. The waves of patients and bodies we got at work tracked with that and became predictable.", ">\n\nWhat’s that saying that ends with ”…doomed to repeat it?”", ">\n\nWhy not just require a negative test from everyone?", ">\n\nWho would you expect to pay for that?", ">\n\nGovernments or sponsors from the private sector ideally, I honestly don’t give a fuck. I’ve gotten many free tests from both and I’ve also bought some for like $8.", ">\n\n“Here we go again” from everyone in the comments. \nThe virus never stopped, we did.", ">\n\nVirus will always be there. Permanent restrictions are unsustainable", ">\n\n3 years later...\nIs this permanent?", ">\n\nI doubt there's anything that would make Republicans running in 2024 happier then Democrats advocating for a return to COVID restrictions.", ">\n\nRight? It’d be like the democrats fighting for gun control, or gay and trans rights, or safe and legal abortions. It would be political suicide to stand for something that Republicans don’t like!", ">\n\nMy understanding is that everything you listed is broadly popular or has at least a majority of American's in favor of it. A return to COVID restrictions is not in that category.", ">\n\nGun control isn’t even universally loved amongst the American left, as the hard left needs them for protection from the hard right they clash with, and the middle left does like having their guns taken as much as any middle right wing does, only mid left likes it", ">\n\nGallup has 57% of Americans feeling that in general gun laws should be more strict.", ">\n\nRegular people want kids to stop dying while in school. The problem is \"stricter laws\" is vague and no one can agree on what it means or give a serious proposal that would work, short of confiscation and bans, which are wildly unpopular.", ">\n\nVague political talking points is the best we’re going to get. Much as I’d love a Ross Perot style of breaking down every platform and promise, the general public doesn’t go for it. Buzz words are all we have the attention span for.", ">\n\nChina's COVID-19 surge raises odds of new coronavirus variants\nThings could get very ugly.", ">\n\nYou say this like covid hasn't been spreading rampantly through literally every country on the planet, mostly without any measures to stop the spread. Why does China get a different treatment and maybe countries should require tests from the US or Inida or Europe?", ">\n\nI agree. US was primarily the culprit of why COVID went rampant to begin with. We actively refused to enforce any sort of safety measures, just a mild suggestion of \"maybe wear a mask, if you want to, it's ok if you don't\" and \"we have vaccines if you want one, no pressure tho\". That was really our response to the world's deadliest pandemic.", ">\n\nWe actively made fun of zero covid approaches on reddit and now based on the comments on this thread we are suddenly pro “zero covid” approaches", ">\n\nEveryone finally watched contagion", ">\n\nSo far my 2023 bingo card is reading alooot of skull and crossbones, I think I might actually win at something next year, what does your score card look like?", ">\n\nWhen’s that $1200 going to hit my account?", ">\n\nI’m still living off mine from last time!", ">\n\nI’m still looking for mine", ">\n\nI’m waiting for that $600 bucks from Biden still, but that’s going right into my retirement!", ">\n\nYou dont get he meant to include any money you already received as well /s", ">\n\nI seem to remember campaign ads with $2000 checks.", ">\n\nYep they explicitly mentioned $2,000 checks.", ">\n\nMy comment was sarcasm but in retrospect there are so many neoliberals saying that word for word in all seriousness that I should and will add a sarcasm tag", ">\n\nThat's nice and all, but let's not act like we're not just ignoring our own COVID problems.", ">\n\n\n\"You don't have zero tolerance anymore? We can't tolerate that.\"\n\n- Country with 100% tolerance", ">\n\nWhy not require a negative COVID test from everyone entering the country? It’s like they don’t want COVID to be under control.", ">\n\nI think this is because China has a relatively low vaccination rate because they relied on lock downs. Now that lock downs are being ramped down, they are having a huge surge.", ">\n\nThe vaccination rate in China is considerably higher than the US (92% vs 81%). This is just another example of yellow peril", ">\n\nThank you for pointing this out. What I said above was wrong about the vaccination rate. I don’t know why exactly China is having a surge. 🤷‍♂️", ">\n\nTheir vaccination rate is high but their vaccine, SinoVac is based on old tech. It conveys effectively zero protection from variants when compared to all the other types of vaccines on the market.", ">\n\nYou guys are so full of shit. At 3 doses Sinovac gives the same protection as any western vaccine with boosters to help mitigate mutated variants. Stop spreading misinfo.", ">\n\n\"Does that thumbnail of someone getting tested read too much like 'screaming uselessly into the void'?\"\n\"I'm sure it'll be fine.\"", ">\n\nMaybe, just maybe they shouldnt have stopped testing airplane passengers in the first place... \nWe have cheap, readily available tests that take 10 minutes to complete. There’s really no reason not to test ever passenger before boarding...", ">\n\nEveryone I know who had Omicron tested negative until their symptoms cleared. It was evading the RATs, for some reason.", ">\n\nI tested positive on a rapid test two days after getting congested. Every teacher coworker of mine who bothered to test after getting cold symptoms also did. I think it's why so few parents now test their kids before sending time to school sick. They don't want to know so we all find out when we or our family members then test positive, missing work on their sick kids' behalf so they didn't have to. \nI have also heard the rapid test can give false negatives but anecdotal references don't mean much.", ">\n\nA day late and a dollar short. Same old song and dance.", ">\n\nWow, it’s like history literally repeating itself.", ">\n\nIndeed it is. I hope everyone is prepared for what’s next.", ">\n\nWe should require negative COVID tests for people to fly within the US, too.\nIt makes no difference to me if the person who infects me at LAX is coming in from China, or from Texas.", ">\n\nThere is a high chance anyone that comes from China has Covid right now. Low chance that someone inside America has.", ">\n\nNaw. China’s percent is much higher, sure, but it’s not like US infection rates are low. You can pretty much guarantee an infected American on every sold out domestic flight. The latest variants are super, super contagious, and it only takes one infected person to pose a serious risk to the other people sharing their space, and then all of their families and friends after they land. All flights should still require testing and masking at this point, or all we’ve really accomplished is pacifying the dimwits and xenophobes.\nI know at least 3 people who 100% contracted COVID while flying domestically in the US this last month - because they were isolated for the incubation period beforehand. They were masked the entire time they were in the airport and on the plane.", ">\n\nIf they were masked up and I assume vaccinated and still caught the virus then preventable measures like these aren’t that effective.", ">\n\nIs there a new strain of Covid that isn't in the U.S yet, otherwise what's the point.", ">\n\nUm testing should not ever stop.", ">\n\nAh shit here we go again", ">\n\n\"Who left the fridge open?\"", ">\n\nIt's \"just a cold\" unless it's a non-white person from another country carrying it.\n/s", ">\n\nChina implemented an ineffective vaccine and had 30m+ cases in one day. It’s specifically that gov. refusing to use effective vaccines", ">\n\nAnd the United States had effective vaccines that half the country is not willing to nor willing to wear masks, while complaining to other countries like China about their travel restrictions (from China and Hong Kong). And honestly I’m not oppose to a tighter restriction on China while they are experiencing a surge in new cases just as it did with any other countries that initially loosen covid restrictions, what makes me question this being race or politically motivated is the hypocrisy; people complained about China being oppressive when it was enforcing all the covid restrictions and when they loosen it “China doesn’t care about human lives”.\nSo what exactly do you want them to do?", ">\n\n\nto Require Negative Covid Tests for Travelers From China\n\nLuckily China is well known for its systemic unwillingness to fake or counterfeit things, so everything should be fine.\nhonest.", ">\n\nSeems purely retaliatory with no actual effectiveness.\nEnforcement is over a week away and presumably China has hit its peak already (flights being 40% positive)", ">\n\nThe rich rats are going to buy fake tests and jump ship breaking quarantine just like they did in the first wave. Cutting flights or enforcing quarantines is the only way to prevent this stuff from jumping oceans but god forbid anybody inhibit the jet setters.", ">\n\nHALF of the passengers on a plane from China going to Italy tested positive the other day (tested on arrival). Chances are most if not all of them had negative test results they could show that they took before they left. This won't do anything to stop people coming into the US while positive..we are going to have to go through this all over again and we won't have the same somewhat cooperative response in the US this time if it is a variant that evades immunity... It will get REALLY bad.", ">\n\nSeriously they know red states will just let them in and will never do another shut down again. So start dealt with out break countries this way to slow it down or corner it. But I see very very bad days ahead for China and Russia is starting to report out breaks too.", ">\n\nMust. When?", ">\n\nWe already require this from canada iirc\nEdit: i was wrong, canada requires it from us.", ">\n\nI hope we are talking PCR tests... those store-bought 15-minute ones struggle to get a positive if you have any sort of vaccination, even while symptomatic and miserable.", ">\n\nWell, a little bit of good news. I'll take it.", ">\n\nTravel should have been 100$ restricted a long time ago. Travel should be restricted to any country experiencing a COVID outbreak.", ">\n\nWonderful. Another round of Asian hating.", ">\n\nWho's hating on Asians? We're trying to stop this virus from killing people.", ">\n\nor… ban flights from china??", ">\n\nDoesn’t make sense in singling out China when covid is widespread in every single country", ">\n\nThe extent of covid in china atm is just absurd. Two weeks ago, they had 37 MILLION cases in one day. Think about that. Thats more people than a lot of countries! \nsource", ">\n\nI wonder why China has so much trouble with COVID compared to other countries, despite being so strict.", ">\n\nIt’s because they had the zero covid approaches that people are advocating for in this thread and they suddenly reversed course. Everyone in China is getting it so fast its likely the same variants quickly spreading in a population that suddenly reversed course. Having many people getting it over time and exposed to new generations of the virus (which is what happens over time) is more insidious but people here think thats fine", ">\n\nEveryone saying this is racist, do not pay attention to the world", ">\n\nIt was called racist and xenophobic when Trump did it. The left are hypocritical emotional wrecks.", ">\n\nnah trump was racist or did you forget he called it the “china virus” and subsequent hate crimes increased against adians", ">\n\nLet’s not change the subject. We’re talking about testing travelers from China here. Always trying to deflect.", ">\n\nIs that what he did, though? That and nothing else? This is a Fox News headline, but I bet there's a lot more to it. There usually is.\nFYI, Italy is also requiring testing of travelers from China at this time.\nBecause of the high number of cases in China at this time.", ">\n\nSo many dumb replies here. I am sad about where humankind is at.", ">\n\nRound two people", ">\n\nWe need to ramp up testing again at border.", ">\n\nChina trying to stop Covid…lol! Fail miserably at that, build a huge infected population, then unleash it on the world. Great job China /s", ">\n\nSell then the Moderna vaccine so they can treat themselves, ans end this debacle.", ">\n\nEven if US send Moderna and Phizer vaccine, China will not use it, because they boast about \"superior\" Chinese vaccine and don't want to lose face.\n​\nUntil they change their attitude, I suggest keeping restriction in place for PRC travelers.", ">\n\nOh definitely.", ">\n\nCCP exporting covid again.", ">\n\nPaywall - can anyone help me read the article? It sounds great in theory but why wait so long? That’s how this all started in 2020. Test now!", ">\n\nChina has been in quarantine until the protests. They have a very low of vaccinated people, so now everyone's breathing on each other's necks, squeezing in tight places and now introducing another pandemic. \nI believe a combination of everyone quarantined for too long and non vaccinated people are making this a very deadly spread.", ">\n\nTheir vaccination rate is not too bad, except among the elderly. But their vaccine was shit even before all the variants.\nThey've been trying to use lockdown to prevent spread and with the new variants that just won't work.\nSo yeah, they're pretty fucked.", ">\n\nVaccination rate is good, but the rate of people who are up to date on boosters is where they fall short even beyond just the elderly. It also doesn't help that the vaccine being used is overall less effective than the ones being used elsewhere like you said. Makes those booster shots many are lacking even more critical.", ">\n\nApparently Americans only get worried when it’s Chinese people spreading Covid as opposed to their own residents, citizens and Europeans.", ">\n\nseems xenophobic /s", ">\n\noh I'm sure conservatives will be very concerned about the \"freedoms\" of those travelers from China", ">\n\nHow's this going to work for the 75% of all our manufactured goods coming in from China?", ">\n\nThank God Biden is doing this if it was Trump they call him racist .", ">\n\nTrump admin did this and it was hailed as a great idea, because it was. And is.\nWho tf cares who the man or president is when it comes to health? Why are some people like this?", ">\n\nYou know that wasnt true.", ">\n\nWhy would they make a move that would indisputably send hundreds of thousands of infected into the wider world including those that may wind up being infected with a new variant or two? \nCan we at least conclude that China does not care about this possibility? Is that verboten to say?\nCan an axiomatically correct statement still result in a ban?", ">\n\nSounds kinda racist.", ">\n\nMakes absolute sense considering what's currently going on there. Canada should do the same. I'll even go as far as say suspend visas / entry from that part of the world temporarily, until they can get it under control", ">\n\nMakes sense. China is exploding with covid and who knows if/when the next bad variant develops there.", ">\n\nLmao Reddit enjoying their shut in lives so much I’d rather jump off the tallest bridge near me before going into lockdowns again.", ">\n\nXenophobia", ">\n\nXenophobic Biden", ">\n\nPeople are acting like Covid stopped spreading in the US… The US just decided to ignore it, that is until China gained more cases, and now it’s back to fear mongering Chinese people. I see that xenophobia is still alive and well in the US.", ">\n\nMy family and I caught covid during Thanksgiving after being careful for two years. Fortunately, we're all vaccinated so the symptoms didn't hit us too hard. We just got lax with being careful, but we'll probably be wearing our masks in crowded places just to be safe.", ">\n\nI never stopped wearing masks in the US while going to stores. The reality is we have had waves of Covid here in the US, and we have had different mutations of variants too.", ">\n\nThats racist. Biden should be ashamed of himself for allowing such bigotry and hatred towards our Chinese brethren.", ">\n\nThis applies to anyone traveling from China, not just the Chinese.", ">\n\nI wouldn’t think another country was rascist if the USA had a huge surge and temporarily suspended flights to:from the USA until the numbers came down.", ">\n\nSame biological warfare when westerners were entering into China in 2022?", ">\n\n50 Cent army, out in full force!", ">\n\nWhy are we letting anyone in from China?", ">\n\nCitizens and most permanent residents cannot be refused admission.", ">\n\nOh, here we go again.", ">\n\nKind of ironic seeing how the US has worse cases lmao", ">\n\nUS will keep up the bio attacks until the world complies with their foreign policy. Which is to keep China from becoming a threat to its hegemony", ">\n\nWeird how we can’t make our own citizens mask or test but we can make sure travelers from other places do \nWild how absolutely absurd the timeline we’re living in js", ">\n\nGood. We should not allow anyone from any country the opportunity to enter our country without proof.", ">\n\nIt’s not xenophobia, it’s (D)ifferent this time. Maybe if they let trump try this in the first place", ">\n\nThis just adds fuel to racist anti-Asian sentiment in the US. What about all the people on the plane with Chinese travelers who aren't Chinese? If the situation warrants testing of anyone, it warrants testing of everyone.", ">\n\nThis is just politics. Do we really want to pretend we don’t have an overwhelming amount of COVID cases right now in America? Everyone knows most people don’t test unless they’re very sick (which is rare now) and most who even do test use at home tests and don’t report the results. Can we really just not admit to ourselves as a nation that for the overwhelming majority of people COVID no longer poses a serious threat? Hospitalization, death and long COVID are statistically insignificant for healthy vaccinated individuals at this point I don’t see why anyone can see this as anymore than political posturing.", ">\n\nWelcome to the virtue signaling zone.", ">\n\nWell ??? Why wouldn't we check considering their outbreak is significant. Seriously was this a question ?", ">\n\nChina’s authoritarian regime locked down their country for years… this contained rhe virus until mass protests as well as international condemnations. So I believe Chinese govt is teaching their citizens a lesson. Let them roam free and allow international travel into the country. Let them get severely ill and die. Then they will acknowledge and apologize to the government. This type of reverse psychology isn’t new.", ">\n\nWe the People require a vigilant health care approach to our borders at the expense of [Pure Greed] from those who capitalize on what ails us\nWe the People demand all institutions do a readiness check \nAt which time We the People can demand a Meeting of the Continental Congress to address the state of our union, to reboot the principles and powers of the American Constitution and Bill of Rights, to re instate the neutral balance of power in the houses and senate of all levels of our current government[ one party control is not the operation of the United States of America 🇺🇸]", ">\n\nIf only we had this kind of foresight 3 years ago… we could have avoided this whole mess.", ">\n\nAnd Trump was called xenophobic when we asked for the same thing", ">\n\nExactly", ">\n\nWe should have another global 2020-tier lockdown period, imo. Work at home, way less flights active etc.", ">\n\nAnd millions of people, children, the most disadvantaged would die and suffer", ">\n\nI feel like they need to extend this restriction to all of Europe as well. It’s already spread outside of China.", ">\n\nSo I’m guessing it’s not racist now that Biden is doing it.", ">\n\nAgeeed", ">\n\nSome will get through. We may be in trouble.", ">\n\nIt's a racist policy. Why not ban people from Florida from traveling to the rest of the US? What's the difference?", ">\n\nThe scientific and medical community believe China is headed for another outbreak so this step is a must", ">\n\nCanadian here. I traveled from Toronto's Pearson International airport to the U S in November for Thanksgiving and the majority of travelers going through security were, I'd guess, Chinese carrying passports from that country, most not wearing masks. I don't really know if they were Canadian citizens or not but their passports definitely were not.", ">\n\nYet banning travel from China back in 2019-2020 was racist and xenophobic . No wonder the public has no confidence in the government.", ">\n\nI can’t believe the Biden admin actually went through this. They’re testing them just because they’re Chinese??? That is so racist smh", ">\n\nThis applies to anyone coming from China, not just Chinese citizens. It’s based on the ongoing outbreak, not their race.", ">\n\nWell it’s still racist to assume anyone from China is infected just because of where they’re coming from", ">\n\nIt’s not racist at all. “Coming from China” is not a race. They will test everyone on the plane regardless of demographics.", ">\n\nWhich is racist though. It’s the same thing Trump did by banning anyone coming from China. Why don’t they ban everyone coming from Japan? India? South Korea? Thailand? Etc? Why just the Chinese smh.", ">\n\nDamn that’s so racist #stopasianhate", ">\n\n2019 into 2020 all over again. \nAt least China has a strict ban on flights...\nOh", ">\n\nI don't think that's on China. I don't remember US banning any flights abroad during any of our surges?", ">\n\nI also don't remember the US being the origin of covid. \nChina has a special responsibility as a nation that fucked up and let covid grow out of control and escape its boundaries to not open up the export of viral vectors at the height of their crisis.\nCCP incompetence and mendacity has done enough already that they need to go above and beyond to keep shit as much as possible within their own borders.", ">\n\nThe fucks the point of that? They could be exposed, test negative and pop positive while they’re here or anywhere. Negative test doesn’t mean shit.", ">\n\nRayciss", ">\n\nThe government should require it for all airline passengers. Chinese travelers infected with COVID 19 are going to go to other countries too and some of those people will fly here. Likewise, there should be a requirement for all Americans going abroad so the U.S. doesn't spread COVID 19 to other countries.", ">\n\nChina the base screams, even democrats, the great enemy of this era. If England had a surge, nobody would be screaming for negative tests.", ">\n\nInconsiderate assholes", ">\n\nThat’s racist and anti Asian", ">\n\nHasn’t almost everyone in the US had it at this point? It’s like forbidding lighters in a forest that was recently burned down.", ">\n\nStop Asian Hate?", ">\n\nI feel that this is very anti Asian if it’s only for them.", ">\n\nThis is racism", ">\n\nIt’s prevention. There is a difference.", ">\n\nThere sure wasn't when Trump was president" ]
> My man is getting ready to throat the fuck out that swab in the pic
[ "People from China will travel through Europe and come in to America from the east coast like they did when the pandemic started. This will do nothing if all travelers aboard aren’t made to test.", ">\n\nLet's hope EU and other countries do the same.", ">\n\nI don't know if they will. Australia (for example) had some of the toughest Covid policies and they've essentially just thrown them all out the window.\nSo I don't know how willing countries are to go back to being overly concerned about Covid.", ">\n\nThey should be concerned w chinese, it's spreading like wildfire in china. If we aren't careful, they will come out w covid 20.", ">\n\nIt’s spreading everywhere including the USA. This policy has nothing to do with science or medicine. It’s just politics.", ">\n\nNo. It’s circulating like mad in a population of 1 billion people who haven’t been exposed before. This is how new variants come about. Every country should require negative Covid test for china at least until it cycles through the population", ">\n\n\nNo. It’s circulating like mad in a population of 1 billion people who haven’t been exposed before.\n\nIt's also spreading like mad in all the countries of the world including the USA.\n\nThis is how new variants come about. \n\nAnd they have been for years now.\n\nEvery country should require negative Covid test for china at least until it cycles through the population\n\nOnly for political reasons. There is no scientific or rational demand for this. \nI get it, you hate china, most americans hate china so just be honest and say what you really mean.", ">\n\nStrains are spreading in the west yes, but there are new strains in China that are spreading and we don't know if our vaccines will work with those strains. We know the Chinese vaccines have a low efficacy rate and we know they are not mRNA vaccines which allow for easier adaptation to new strains. Making travelers with a Chinese passport take Covid tests at any and all airports is not racist or even unfair - a reminder that China has been relatively hard to travel to for the last 2 years because they were locked down to foreign travel as well. This is simply good policy from a public health measure, and you not wanting to see that for what it is and instead attribute it to a nascent American hatred for China is laughable. the World Health Organization estimated close to 800 million new cases in China in the next few months, with another estimate 4 million deaths and countless new strains coming out during that period. This is about protection populations, not punishing China.", ">\n\n\nStrains are spreading in the west yes, but there are new strains in China that are spreading and we don't know if our vaccines will work with those strains.\n\nYou don't know if vaccines work against any new variant even if that variant is from a country populated with white people.\n\nWe know the Chinese vaccines have a low efficacy rate and we know they are not mRNA vaccines which allow for easier adaptation to new strains. \n\nThe vaccine doesn't adapt once inside of your body you know that right?\n\nMaking travelers with a Chinese passport take Covid tests at any and all airports is not racist or even unfair \n\nit's definitely unfair and probably racist as well.\n\nhis is simply good policy from a public health measure, a\n\nA good policy would be to require vaccinations from everybody. Think about it, you are requiring a vaccine that you said doesn't even work. How much sense does that make?\n\nattribute it to a nascent American hatred for China is laughable.\n\nNascent?\n\nThis is about protection populations, not punishing China.\n\nIt's definitely about punishing china, it's a part of the current cold war with China conducted by the USA.", ">\n\n\nYou don't know if vaccines work against any new variant even if that variant is from a country populated with white people.\n\nAll the more reason to not invite more new strains into the country. White population or otherwise has nothing to do with it, expected rise in cases in China does.\n\nThe vaccine doesn't adapt once inside of your body you know that right?\n\nYou missed the point. The point i was making was that the Chinese medical system has not even approached Covid with an mRNA vaccine, and steadfastly refused to license western vaccines. If the vaccine most readily available in China has a 50% efficacy then the population is at more risk of contracting the virus and having negative results. The infection rates are increased with each new case of BA.7 (China is currently seeing each covid patient infecting on average 18 other people represented as 1:18, whereas the in US the rate is 1:3.9). Each of these factors increases the risk of developing new strains that are vaccine resistant. \n\nit's definitely unfair and probably racist as well\n\nIs it your position that nations cannot take any prescriptive action to prevent the spread of infected persons from other countries? Again i would remind you that China has basically been locked down for the last 2 years, with severe limitations to personal freedoms themselves. This is not based on race, but rather a government's inability to contain a contagious outbreak in their own country and not wanting it to spread. \n\nA good policy would be to require vaccinations from everybody. Think about it, you are requiring a vaccine that you said doesn't even work. How much sense does that make?\n\nThat might be your definition on good policy, but it isn't mine and that isn't how the west does it. \"I\" am not requiring a vaccine that \"I\" said doesn't work - that was your suggestion not mine. Also, i said the efficacy of the Chinese vaccine is 50% - based on available information - i never said it didn't work, and i never said that it should be mandatory or required.\n\nNascent?\n\nPoor and wrong word choice on my part it seems. What i meant was ascribing the US decision to require testing of Chinese travelers to racism because you believe that the US is racist is laughable. Taking a test to prove that you are covid negative is far less onerous on a traveler than most visa requirements.\n\nIt's definitely about punishing china, it's a part of the current cold war with China conducted by the USA.\n\nCite your sources. I could point to many Chinese government policies that i could say are part of the current cold war with the US without backing it up and it would be just as credible as what you said. Opinion is not a source, and not proof. You assume that the US government is racist, that this policy is racist and yet we have had travel bans imposed on other countries, as well as testing required for travelers from other countries imposed before, and other policies and so has China. For goodness sake China has been closed to foreigners for almost 3 years, and is still closed to foreign travel until January 2023. Is that a racist policy as well?", ">\n\nHere we go again.\nThis time I think I'll learn French cooking.", ">\n\n5000 People a day will have to die before Anybody says the word Lock down in the States ever again.", ">\n\nDon’t understand why people can’t handle staying at home for two weeks when it could potentially eradicate a deadly virus. Are we that weak?", ">\n\nWe did that in large part in March 2020. And did China not spend years locking down their citizens? \nPeoples savings are gone. They need to work. \nWearing a mask would do a lot to help the issue but people aren’t willing to do that anymore.", ">\n\nWe didn't do that though. We didn't all lock down when we were supposed to. Where I work I had to go in from the very start all the way through. Most people, the majority of people, didn't stay home even if they didn't have work. Most people didn't fuck with masks or keeping a distance, and even people who weren't antivaccers didn't take the vaccine seriously for the longest time. \nWe had no fucking lock down, unless you were a well-off celebrity or comedian who wanted to talk about being locked down for content. \nIf people legit locked down, they would have taken a small hit financially, but too many people didn't do shit and prolonged everything.", ">\n\nThe things is that it doesn't take long to drain peoples saving - becuase the overwhelming majority of people have practically none. \nSo an extended lockdown was never feasible unless the government was willing to pay several trillion dollars of expenses, not just 2 or 3 times but several times over.", ">\n\nI didn't dispute any of what you said. I pointed out that most people actively contested any safety measure and most people didn't actually lock down. Any extension will almost certainly be the fault of most of those people. \nI'd gladly let them all die if it meant the few people who did take things seriously didn't have to live through a Walking Dead scenario or have to take a huge financial hit because them.", ">\n\nMost people did lock down just fine initially. After a few weeks turned into a month or more, yeah people got testy.\nAdditionally, a gigantic amount of people work in critical industries and simply cant stay home. Just keeping the lights and water on requires tens of millions of workers, plus industries like plants and refineries that simply cannot shut down without massive long-term consequences.\nReddit is full of office people who can WFH, the vast majority of people cant.", ">\n\nI was one of those who couldn't stay home. Right out of the gate most people gave up on almost all of it except when they were making a show of complying when they had to. There was a lot of cheating. I walk through a lot of different areas. The waves of patients and bodies we got at work tracked with that and became predictable.", ">\n\nWhat’s that saying that ends with ”…doomed to repeat it?”", ">\n\nWhy not just require a negative test from everyone?", ">\n\nWho would you expect to pay for that?", ">\n\nGovernments or sponsors from the private sector ideally, I honestly don’t give a fuck. I’ve gotten many free tests from both and I’ve also bought some for like $8.", ">\n\n“Here we go again” from everyone in the comments. \nThe virus never stopped, we did.", ">\n\nVirus will always be there. Permanent restrictions are unsustainable", ">\n\n3 years later...\nIs this permanent?", ">\n\nI doubt there's anything that would make Republicans running in 2024 happier then Democrats advocating for a return to COVID restrictions.", ">\n\nRight? It’d be like the democrats fighting for gun control, or gay and trans rights, or safe and legal abortions. It would be political suicide to stand for something that Republicans don’t like!", ">\n\nMy understanding is that everything you listed is broadly popular or has at least a majority of American's in favor of it. A return to COVID restrictions is not in that category.", ">\n\nGun control isn’t even universally loved amongst the American left, as the hard left needs them for protection from the hard right they clash with, and the middle left does like having their guns taken as much as any middle right wing does, only mid left likes it", ">\n\nGallup has 57% of Americans feeling that in general gun laws should be more strict.", ">\n\nRegular people want kids to stop dying while in school. The problem is \"stricter laws\" is vague and no one can agree on what it means or give a serious proposal that would work, short of confiscation and bans, which are wildly unpopular.", ">\n\nVague political talking points is the best we’re going to get. Much as I’d love a Ross Perot style of breaking down every platform and promise, the general public doesn’t go for it. Buzz words are all we have the attention span for.", ">\n\nChina's COVID-19 surge raises odds of new coronavirus variants\nThings could get very ugly.", ">\n\nYou say this like covid hasn't been spreading rampantly through literally every country on the planet, mostly without any measures to stop the spread. Why does China get a different treatment and maybe countries should require tests from the US or Inida or Europe?", ">\n\nI agree. US was primarily the culprit of why COVID went rampant to begin with. We actively refused to enforce any sort of safety measures, just a mild suggestion of \"maybe wear a mask, if you want to, it's ok if you don't\" and \"we have vaccines if you want one, no pressure tho\". That was really our response to the world's deadliest pandemic.", ">\n\nWe actively made fun of zero covid approaches on reddit and now based on the comments on this thread we are suddenly pro “zero covid” approaches", ">\n\nEveryone finally watched contagion", ">\n\nSo far my 2023 bingo card is reading alooot of skull and crossbones, I think I might actually win at something next year, what does your score card look like?", ">\n\nWhen’s that $1200 going to hit my account?", ">\n\nI’m still living off mine from last time!", ">\n\nI’m still looking for mine", ">\n\nI’m waiting for that $600 bucks from Biden still, but that’s going right into my retirement!", ">\n\nYou dont get he meant to include any money you already received as well /s", ">\n\nI seem to remember campaign ads with $2000 checks.", ">\n\nYep they explicitly mentioned $2,000 checks.", ">\n\nMy comment was sarcasm but in retrospect there are so many neoliberals saying that word for word in all seriousness that I should and will add a sarcasm tag", ">\n\nThat's nice and all, but let's not act like we're not just ignoring our own COVID problems.", ">\n\n\n\"You don't have zero tolerance anymore? We can't tolerate that.\"\n\n- Country with 100% tolerance", ">\n\nWhy not require a negative COVID test from everyone entering the country? It’s like they don’t want COVID to be under control.", ">\n\nI think this is because China has a relatively low vaccination rate because they relied on lock downs. Now that lock downs are being ramped down, they are having a huge surge.", ">\n\nThe vaccination rate in China is considerably higher than the US (92% vs 81%). This is just another example of yellow peril", ">\n\nThank you for pointing this out. What I said above was wrong about the vaccination rate. I don’t know why exactly China is having a surge. 🤷‍♂️", ">\n\nTheir vaccination rate is high but their vaccine, SinoVac is based on old tech. It conveys effectively zero protection from variants when compared to all the other types of vaccines on the market.", ">\n\nYou guys are so full of shit. At 3 doses Sinovac gives the same protection as any western vaccine with boosters to help mitigate mutated variants. Stop spreading misinfo.", ">\n\n\"Does that thumbnail of someone getting tested read too much like 'screaming uselessly into the void'?\"\n\"I'm sure it'll be fine.\"", ">\n\nMaybe, just maybe they shouldnt have stopped testing airplane passengers in the first place... \nWe have cheap, readily available tests that take 10 minutes to complete. There’s really no reason not to test ever passenger before boarding...", ">\n\nEveryone I know who had Omicron tested negative until their symptoms cleared. It was evading the RATs, for some reason.", ">\n\nI tested positive on a rapid test two days after getting congested. Every teacher coworker of mine who bothered to test after getting cold symptoms also did. I think it's why so few parents now test their kids before sending time to school sick. They don't want to know so we all find out when we or our family members then test positive, missing work on their sick kids' behalf so they didn't have to. \nI have also heard the rapid test can give false negatives but anecdotal references don't mean much.", ">\n\nA day late and a dollar short. Same old song and dance.", ">\n\nWow, it’s like history literally repeating itself.", ">\n\nIndeed it is. I hope everyone is prepared for what’s next.", ">\n\nWe should require negative COVID tests for people to fly within the US, too.\nIt makes no difference to me if the person who infects me at LAX is coming in from China, or from Texas.", ">\n\nThere is a high chance anyone that comes from China has Covid right now. Low chance that someone inside America has.", ">\n\nNaw. China’s percent is much higher, sure, but it’s not like US infection rates are low. You can pretty much guarantee an infected American on every sold out domestic flight. The latest variants are super, super contagious, and it only takes one infected person to pose a serious risk to the other people sharing their space, and then all of their families and friends after they land. All flights should still require testing and masking at this point, or all we’ve really accomplished is pacifying the dimwits and xenophobes.\nI know at least 3 people who 100% contracted COVID while flying domestically in the US this last month - because they were isolated for the incubation period beforehand. They were masked the entire time they were in the airport and on the plane.", ">\n\nIf they were masked up and I assume vaccinated and still caught the virus then preventable measures like these aren’t that effective.", ">\n\nIs there a new strain of Covid that isn't in the U.S yet, otherwise what's the point.", ">\n\nUm testing should not ever stop.", ">\n\nAh shit here we go again", ">\n\n\"Who left the fridge open?\"", ">\n\nIt's \"just a cold\" unless it's a non-white person from another country carrying it.\n/s", ">\n\nChina implemented an ineffective vaccine and had 30m+ cases in one day. It’s specifically that gov. refusing to use effective vaccines", ">\n\nAnd the United States had effective vaccines that half the country is not willing to nor willing to wear masks, while complaining to other countries like China about their travel restrictions (from China and Hong Kong). And honestly I’m not oppose to a tighter restriction on China while they are experiencing a surge in new cases just as it did with any other countries that initially loosen covid restrictions, what makes me question this being race or politically motivated is the hypocrisy; people complained about China being oppressive when it was enforcing all the covid restrictions and when they loosen it “China doesn’t care about human lives”.\nSo what exactly do you want them to do?", ">\n\n\nto Require Negative Covid Tests for Travelers From China\n\nLuckily China is well known for its systemic unwillingness to fake or counterfeit things, so everything should be fine.\nhonest.", ">\n\nSeems purely retaliatory with no actual effectiveness.\nEnforcement is over a week away and presumably China has hit its peak already (flights being 40% positive)", ">\n\nThe rich rats are going to buy fake tests and jump ship breaking quarantine just like they did in the first wave. Cutting flights or enforcing quarantines is the only way to prevent this stuff from jumping oceans but god forbid anybody inhibit the jet setters.", ">\n\nHALF of the passengers on a plane from China going to Italy tested positive the other day (tested on arrival). Chances are most if not all of them had negative test results they could show that they took before they left. This won't do anything to stop people coming into the US while positive..we are going to have to go through this all over again and we won't have the same somewhat cooperative response in the US this time if it is a variant that evades immunity... It will get REALLY bad.", ">\n\nSeriously they know red states will just let them in and will never do another shut down again. So start dealt with out break countries this way to slow it down or corner it. But I see very very bad days ahead for China and Russia is starting to report out breaks too.", ">\n\nMust. When?", ">\n\nWe already require this from canada iirc\nEdit: i was wrong, canada requires it from us.", ">\n\nI hope we are talking PCR tests... those store-bought 15-minute ones struggle to get a positive if you have any sort of vaccination, even while symptomatic and miserable.", ">\n\nWell, a little bit of good news. I'll take it.", ">\n\nTravel should have been 100$ restricted a long time ago. Travel should be restricted to any country experiencing a COVID outbreak.", ">\n\nWonderful. Another round of Asian hating.", ">\n\nWho's hating on Asians? We're trying to stop this virus from killing people.", ">\n\nor… ban flights from china??", ">\n\nDoesn’t make sense in singling out China when covid is widespread in every single country", ">\n\nThe extent of covid in china atm is just absurd. Two weeks ago, they had 37 MILLION cases in one day. Think about that. Thats more people than a lot of countries! \nsource", ">\n\nI wonder why China has so much trouble with COVID compared to other countries, despite being so strict.", ">\n\nIt’s because they had the zero covid approaches that people are advocating for in this thread and they suddenly reversed course. Everyone in China is getting it so fast its likely the same variants quickly spreading in a population that suddenly reversed course. Having many people getting it over time and exposed to new generations of the virus (which is what happens over time) is more insidious but people here think thats fine", ">\n\nEveryone saying this is racist, do not pay attention to the world", ">\n\nIt was called racist and xenophobic when Trump did it. The left are hypocritical emotional wrecks.", ">\n\nnah trump was racist or did you forget he called it the “china virus” and subsequent hate crimes increased against adians", ">\n\nLet’s not change the subject. We’re talking about testing travelers from China here. Always trying to deflect.", ">\n\nIs that what he did, though? That and nothing else? This is a Fox News headline, but I bet there's a lot more to it. There usually is.\nFYI, Italy is also requiring testing of travelers from China at this time.\nBecause of the high number of cases in China at this time.", ">\n\nSo many dumb replies here. I am sad about where humankind is at.", ">\n\nRound two people", ">\n\nWe need to ramp up testing again at border.", ">\n\nChina trying to stop Covid…lol! Fail miserably at that, build a huge infected population, then unleash it on the world. Great job China /s", ">\n\nSell then the Moderna vaccine so they can treat themselves, ans end this debacle.", ">\n\nEven if US send Moderna and Phizer vaccine, China will not use it, because they boast about \"superior\" Chinese vaccine and don't want to lose face.\n​\nUntil they change their attitude, I suggest keeping restriction in place for PRC travelers.", ">\n\nOh definitely.", ">\n\nCCP exporting covid again.", ">\n\nPaywall - can anyone help me read the article? It sounds great in theory but why wait so long? That’s how this all started in 2020. Test now!", ">\n\nChina has been in quarantine until the protests. They have a very low of vaccinated people, so now everyone's breathing on each other's necks, squeezing in tight places and now introducing another pandemic. \nI believe a combination of everyone quarantined for too long and non vaccinated people are making this a very deadly spread.", ">\n\nTheir vaccination rate is not too bad, except among the elderly. But their vaccine was shit even before all the variants.\nThey've been trying to use lockdown to prevent spread and with the new variants that just won't work.\nSo yeah, they're pretty fucked.", ">\n\nVaccination rate is good, but the rate of people who are up to date on boosters is where they fall short even beyond just the elderly. It also doesn't help that the vaccine being used is overall less effective than the ones being used elsewhere like you said. Makes those booster shots many are lacking even more critical.", ">\n\nApparently Americans only get worried when it’s Chinese people spreading Covid as opposed to their own residents, citizens and Europeans.", ">\n\nseems xenophobic /s", ">\n\noh I'm sure conservatives will be very concerned about the \"freedoms\" of those travelers from China", ">\n\nHow's this going to work for the 75% of all our manufactured goods coming in from China?", ">\n\nThank God Biden is doing this if it was Trump they call him racist .", ">\n\nTrump admin did this and it was hailed as a great idea, because it was. And is.\nWho tf cares who the man or president is when it comes to health? Why are some people like this?", ">\n\nYou know that wasnt true.", ">\n\nWhy would they make a move that would indisputably send hundreds of thousands of infected into the wider world including those that may wind up being infected with a new variant or two? \nCan we at least conclude that China does not care about this possibility? Is that verboten to say?\nCan an axiomatically correct statement still result in a ban?", ">\n\nSounds kinda racist.", ">\n\nMakes absolute sense considering what's currently going on there. Canada should do the same. I'll even go as far as say suspend visas / entry from that part of the world temporarily, until they can get it under control", ">\n\nMakes sense. China is exploding with covid and who knows if/when the next bad variant develops there.", ">\n\nLmao Reddit enjoying their shut in lives so much I’d rather jump off the tallest bridge near me before going into lockdowns again.", ">\n\nXenophobia", ">\n\nXenophobic Biden", ">\n\nPeople are acting like Covid stopped spreading in the US… The US just decided to ignore it, that is until China gained more cases, and now it’s back to fear mongering Chinese people. I see that xenophobia is still alive and well in the US.", ">\n\nMy family and I caught covid during Thanksgiving after being careful for two years. Fortunately, we're all vaccinated so the symptoms didn't hit us too hard. We just got lax with being careful, but we'll probably be wearing our masks in crowded places just to be safe.", ">\n\nI never stopped wearing masks in the US while going to stores. The reality is we have had waves of Covid here in the US, and we have had different mutations of variants too.", ">\n\nThats racist. Biden should be ashamed of himself for allowing such bigotry and hatred towards our Chinese brethren.", ">\n\nThis applies to anyone traveling from China, not just the Chinese.", ">\n\nI wouldn’t think another country was rascist if the USA had a huge surge and temporarily suspended flights to:from the USA until the numbers came down.", ">\n\nSame biological warfare when westerners were entering into China in 2022?", ">\n\n50 Cent army, out in full force!", ">\n\nWhy are we letting anyone in from China?", ">\n\nCitizens and most permanent residents cannot be refused admission.", ">\n\nOh, here we go again.", ">\n\nKind of ironic seeing how the US has worse cases lmao", ">\n\nUS will keep up the bio attacks until the world complies with their foreign policy. Which is to keep China from becoming a threat to its hegemony", ">\n\nWeird how we can’t make our own citizens mask or test but we can make sure travelers from other places do \nWild how absolutely absurd the timeline we’re living in js", ">\n\nGood. We should not allow anyone from any country the opportunity to enter our country without proof.", ">\n\nIt’s not xenophobia, it’s (D)ifferent this time. Maybe if they let trump try this in the first place", ">\n\nThis just adds fuel to racist anti-Asian sentiment in the US. What about all the people on the plane with Chinese travelers who aren't Chinese? If the situation warrants testing of anyone, it warrants testing of everyone.", ">\n\nThis is just politics. Do we really want to pretend we don’t have an overwhelming amount of COVID cases right now in America? Everyone knows most people don’t test unless they’re very sick (which is rare now) and most who even do test use at home tests and don’t report the results. Can we really just not admit to ourselves as a nation that for the overwhelming majority of people COVID no longer poses a serious threat? Hospitalization, death and long COVID are statistically insignificant for healthy vaccinated individuals at this point I don’t see why anyone can see this as anymore than political posturing.", ">\n\nWelcome to the virtue signaling zone.", ">\n\nWell ??? Why wouldn't we check considering their outbreak is significant. Seriously was this a question ?", ">\n\nChina’s authoritarian regime locked down their country for years… this contained rhe virus until mass protests as well as international condemnations. So I believe Chinese govt is teaching their citizens a lesson. Let them roam free and allow international travel into the country. Let them get severely ill and die. Then they will acknowledge and apologize to the government. This type of reverse psychology isn’t new.", ">\n\nWe the People require a vigilant health care approach to our borders at the expense of [Pure Greed] from those who capitalize on what ails us\nWe the People demand all institutions do a readiness check \nAt which time We the People can demand a Meeting of the Continental Congress to address the state of our union, to reboot the principles and powers of the American Constitution and Bill of Rights, to re instate the neutral balance of power in the houses and senate of all levels of our current government[ one party control is not the operation of the United States of America 🇺🇸]", ">\n\nIf only we had this kind of foresight 3 years ago… we could have avoided this whole mess.", ">\n\nAnd Trump was called xenophobic when we asked for the same thing", ">\n\nExactly", ">\n\nWe should have another global 2020-tier lockdown period, imo. Work at home, way less flights active etc.", ">\n\nAnd millions of people, children, the most disadvantaged would die and suffer", ">\n\nI feel like they need to extend this restriction to all of Europe as well. It’s already spread outside of China.", ">\n\nSo I’m guessing it’s not racist now that Biden is doing it.", ">\n\nAgeeed", ">\n\nSome will get through. We may be in trouble.", ">\n\nIt's a racist policy. Why not ban people from Florida from traveling to the rest of the US? What's the difference?", ">\n\nThe scientific and medical community believe China is headed for another outbreak so this step is a must", ">\n\nCanadian here. I traveled from Toronto's Pearson International airport to the U S in November for Thanksgiving and the majority of travelers going through security were, I'd guess, Chinese carrying passports from that country, most not wearing masks. I don't really know if they were Canadian citizens or not but their passports definitely were not.", ">\n\nYet banning travel from China back in 2019-2020 was racist and xenophobic . No wonder the public has no confidence in the government.", ">\n\nI can’t believe the Biden admin actually went through this. They’re testing them just because they’re Chinese??? That is so racist smh", ">\n\nThis applies to anyone coming from China, not just Chinese citizens. It’s based on the ongoing outbreak, not their race.", ">\n\nWell it’s still racist to assume anyone from China is infected just because of where they’re coming from", ">\n\nIt’s not racist at all. “Coming from China” is not a race. They will test everyone on the plane regardless of demographics.", ">\n\nWhich is racist though. It’s the same thing Trump did by banning anyone coming from China. Why don’t they ban everyone coming from Japan? India? South Korea? Thailand? Etc? Why just the Chinese smh.", ">\n\nDamn that’s so racist #stopasianhate", ">\n\n2019 into 2020 all over again. \nAt least China has a strict ban on flights...\nOh", ">\n\nI don't think that's on China. I don't remember US banning any flights abroad during any of our surges?", ">\n\nI also don't remember the US being the origin of covid. \nChina has a special responsibility as a nation that fucked up and let covid grow out of control and escape its boundaries to not open up the export of viral vectors at the height of their crisis.\nCCP incompetence and mendacity has done enough already that they need to go above and beyond to keep shit as much as possible within their own borders.", ">\n\nThe fucks the point of that? They could be exposed, test negative and pop positive while they’re here or anywhere. Negative test doesn’t mean shit.", ">\n\nRayciss", ">\n\nThe government should require it for all airline passengers. Chinese travelers infected with COVID 19 are going to go to other countries too and some of those people will fly here. Likewise, there should be a requirement for all Americans going abroad so the U.S. doesn't spread COVID 19 to other countries.", ">\n\nChina the base screams, even democrats, the great enemy of this era. If England had a surge, nobody would be screaming for negative tests.", ">\n\nInconsiderate assholes", ">\n\nThat’s racist and anti Asian", ">\n\nHasn’t almost everyone in the US had it at this point? It’s like forbidding lighters in a forest that was recently burned down.", ">\n\nStop Asian Hate?", ">\n\nI feel that this is very anti Asian if it’s only for them.", ">\n\nThis is racism", ">\n\nIt’s prevention. There is a difference.", ">\n\nThere sure wasn't when Trump was president", ">\n\nThat's rich" ]
> freedumb convoy assemble
[ "People from China will travel through Europe and come in to America from the east coast like they did when the pandemic started. This will do nothing if all travelers aboard aren’t made to test.", ">\n\nLet's hope EU and other countries do the same.", ">\n\nI don't know if they will. Australia (for example) had some of the toughest Covid policies and they've essentially just thrown them all out the window.\nSo I don't know how willing countries are to go back to being overly concerned about Covid.", ">\n\nThey should be concerned w chinese, it's spreading like wildfire in china. If we aren't careful, they will come out w covid 20.", ">\n\nIt’s spreading everywhere including the USA. This policy has nothing to do with science or medicine. It’s just politics.", ">\n\nNo. It’s circulating like mad in a population of 1 billion people who haven’t been exposed before. This is how new variants come about. Every country should require negative Covid test for china at least until it cycles through the population", ">\n\n\nNo. It’s circulating like mad in a population of 1 billion people who haven’t been exposed before.\n\nIt's also spreading like mad in all the countries of the world including the USA.\n\nThis is how new variants come about. \n\nAnd they have been for years now.\n\nEvery country should require negative Covid test for china at least until it cycles through the population\n\nOnly for political reasons. There is no scientific or rational demand for this. \nI get it, you hate china, most americans hate china so just be honest and say what you really mean.", ">\n\nStrains are spreading in the west yes, but there are new strains in China that are spreading and we don't know if our vaccines will work with those strains. We know the Chinese vaccines have a low efficacy rate and we know they are not mRNA vaccines which allow for easier adaptation to new strains. Making travelers with a Chinese passport take Covid tests at any and all airports is not racist or even unfair - a reminder that China has been relatively hard to travel to for the last 2 years because they were locked down to foreign travel as well. This is simply good policy from a public health measure, and you not wanting to see that for what it is and instead attribute it to a nascent American hatred for China is laughable. the World Health Organization estimated close to 800 million new cases in China in the next few months, with another estimate 4 million deaths and countless new strains coming out during that period. This is about protection populations, not punishing China.", ">\n\n\nStrains are spreading in the west yes, but there are new strains in China that are spreading and we don't know if our vaccines will work with those strains.\n\nYou don't know if vaccines work against any new variant even if that variant is from a country populated with white people.\n\nWe know the Chinese vaccines have a low efficacy rate and we know they are not mRNA vaccines which allow for easier adaptation to new strains. \n\nThe vaccine doesn't adapt once inside of your body you know that right?\n\nMaking travelers with a Chinese passport take Covid tests at any and all airports is not racist or even unfair \n\nit's definitely unfair and probably racist as well.\n\nhis is simply good policy from a public health measure, a\n\nA good policy would be to require vaccinations from everybody. Think about it, you are requiring a vaccine that you said doesn't even work. How much sense does that make?\n\nattribute it to a nascent American hatred for China is laughable.\n\nNascent?\n\nThis is about protection populations, not punishing China.\n\nIt's definitely about punishing china, it's a part of the current cold war with China conducted by the USA.", ">\n\n\nYou don't know if vaccines work against any new variant even if that variant is from a country populated with white people.\n\nAll the more reason to not invite more new strains into the country. White population or otherwise has nothing to do with it, expected rise in cases in China does.\n\nThe vaccine doesn't adapt once inside of your body you know that right?\n\nYou missed the point. The point i was making was that the Chinese medical system has not even approached Covid with an mRNA vaccine, and steadfastly refused to license western vaccines. If the vaccine most readily available in China has a 50% efficacy then the population is at more risk of contracting the virus and having negative results. The infection rates are increased with each new case of BA.7 (China is currently seeing each covid patient infecting on average 18 other people represented as 1:18, whereas the in US the rate is 1:3.9). Each of these factors increases the risk of developing new strains that are vaccine resistant. \n\nit's definitely unfair and probably racist as well\n\nIs it your position that nations cannot take any prescriptive action to prevent the spread of infected persons from other countries? Again i would remind you that China has basically been locked down for the last 2 years, with severe limitations to personal freedoms themselves. This is not based on race, but rather a government's inability to contain a contagious outbreak in their own country and not wanting it to spread. \n\nA good policy would be to require vaccinations from everybody. Think about it, you are requiring a vaccine that you said doesn't even work. How much sense does that make?\n\nThat might be your definition on good policy, but it isn't mine and that isn't how the west does it. \"I\" am not requiring a vaccine that \"I\" said doesn't work - that was your suggestion not mine. Also, i said the efficacy of the Chinese vaccine is 50% - based on available information - i never said it didn't work, and i never said that it should be mandatory or required.\n\nNascent?\n\nPoor and wrong word choice on my part it seems. What i meant was ascribing the US decision to require testing of Chinese travelers to racism because you believe that the US is racist is laughable. Taking a test to prove that you are covid negative is far less onerous on a traveler than most visa requirements.\n\nIt's definitely about punishing china, it's a part of the current cold war with China conducted by the USA.\n\nCite your sources. I could point to many Chinese government policies that i could say are part of the current cold war with the US without backing it up and it would be just as credible as what you said. Opinion is not a source, and not proof. You assume that the US government is racist, that this policy is racist and yet we have had travel bans imposed on other countries, as well as testing required for travelers from other countries imposed before, and other policies and so has China. For goodness sake China has been closed to foreigners for almost 3 years, and is still closed to foreign travel until January 2023. Is that a racist policy as well?", ">\n\nHere we go again.\nThis time I think I'll learn French cooking.", ">\n\n5000 People a day will have to die before Anybody says the word Lock down in the States ever again.", ">\n\nDon’t understand why people can’t handle staying at home for two weeks when it could potentially eradicate a deadly virus. Are we that weak?", ">\n\nWe did that in large part in March 2020. And did China not spend years locking down their citizens? \nPeoples savings are gone. They need to work. \nWearing a mask would do a lot to help the issue but people aren’t willing to do that anymore.", ">\n\nWe didn't do that though. We didn't all lock down when we were supposed to. Where I work I had to go in from the very start all the way through. Most people, the majority of people, didn't stay home even if they didn't have work. Most people didn't fuck with masks or keeping a distance, and even people who weren't antivaccers didn't take the vaccine seriously for the longest time. \nWe had no fucking lock down, unless you were a well-off celebrity or comedian who wanted to talk about being locked down for content. \nIf people legit locked down, they would have taken a small hit financially, but too many people didn't do shit and prolonged everything.", ">\n\nThe things is that it doesn't take long to drain peoples saving - becuase the overwhelming majority of people have practically none. \nSo an extended lockdown was never feasible unless the government was willing to pay several trillion dollars of expenses, not just 2 or 3 times but several times over.", ">\n\nI didn't dispute any of what you said. I pointed out that most people actively contested any safety measure and most people didn't actually lock down. Any extension will almost certainly be the fault of most of those people. \nI'd gladly let them all die if it meant the few people who did take things seriously didn't have to live through a Walking Dead scenario or have to take a huge financial hit because them.", ">\n\nMost people did lock down just fine initially. After a few weeks turned into a month or more, yeah people got testy.\nAdditionally, a gigantic amount of people work in critical industries and simply cant stay home. Just keeping the lights and water on requires tens of millions of workers, plus industries like plants and refineries that simply cannot shut down without massive long-term consequences.\nReddit is full of office people who can WFH, the vast majority of people cant.", ">\n\nI was one of those who couldn't stay home. Right out of the gate most people gave up on almost all of it except when they were making a show of complying when they had to. There was a lot of cheating. I walk through a lot of different areas. The waves of patients and bodies we got at work tracked with that and became predictable.", ">\n\nWhat’s that saying that ends with ”…doomed to repeat it?”", ">\n\nWhy not just require a negative test from everyone?", ">\n\nWho would you expect to pay for that?", ">\n\nGovernments or sponsors from the private sector ideally, I honestly don’t give a fuck. I’ve gotten many free tests from both and I’ve also bought some for like $8.", ">\n\n“Here we go again” from everyone in the comments. \nThe virus never stopped, we did.", ">\n\nVirus will always be there. Permanent restrictions are unsustainable", ">\n\n3 years later...\nIs this permanent?", ">\n\nI doubt there's anything that would make Republicans running in 2024 happier then Democrats advocating for a return to COVID restrictions.", ">\n\nRight? It’d be like the democrats fighting for gun control, or gay and trans rights, or safe and legal abortions. It would be political suicide to stand for something that Republicans don’t like!", ">\n\nMy understanding is that everything you listed is broadly popular or has at least a majority of American's in favor of it. A return to COVID restrictions is not in that category.", ">\n\nGun control isn’t even universally loved amongst the American left, as the hard left needs them for protection from the hard right they clash with, and the middle left does like having their guns taken as much as any middle right wing does, only mid left likes it", ">\n\nGallup has 57% of Americans feeling that in general gun laws should be more strict.", ">\n\nRegular people want kids to stop dying while in school. The problem is \"stricter laws\" is vague and no one can agree on what it means or give a serious proposal that would work, short of confiscation and bans, which are wildly unpopular.", ">\n\nVague political talking points is the best we’re going to get. Much as I’d love a Ross Perot style of breaking down every platform and promise, the general public doesn’t go for it. Buzz words are all we have the attention span for.", ">\n\nChina's COVID-19 surge raises odds of new coronavirus variants\nThings could get very ugly.", ">\n\nYou say this like covid hasn't been spreading rampantly through literally every country on the planet, mostly without any measures to stop the spread. Why does China get a different treatment and maybe countries should require tests from the US or Inida or Europe?", ">\n\nI agree. US was primarily the culprit of why COVID went rampant to begin with. We actively refused to enforce any sort of safety measures, just a mild suggestion of \"maybe wear a mask, if you want to, it's ok if you don't\" and \"we have vaccines if you want one, no pressure tho\". That was really our response to the world's deadliest pandemic.", ">\n\nWe actively made fun of zero covid approaches on reddit and now based on the comments on this thread we are suddenly pro “zero covid” approaches", ">\n\nEveryone finally watched contagion", ">\n\nSo far my 2023 bingo card is reading alooot of skull and crossbones, I think I might actually win at something next year, what does your score card look like?", ">\n\nWhen’s that $1200 going to hit my account?", ">\n\nI’m still living off mine from last time!", ">\n\nI’m still looking for mine", ">\n\nI’m waiting for that $600 bucks from Biden still, but that’s going right into my retirement!", ">\n\nYou dont get he meant to include any money you already received as well /s", ">\n\nI seem to remember campaign ads with $2000 checks.", ">\n\nYep they explicitly mentioned $2,000 checks.", ">\n\nMy comment was sarcasm but in retrospect there are so many neoliberals saying that word for word in all seriousness that I should and will add a sarcasm tag", ">\n\nThat's nice and all, but let's not act like we're not just ignoring our own COVID problems.", ">\n\n\n\"You don't have zero tolerance anymore? We can't tolerate that.\"\n\n- Country with 100% tolerance", ">\n\nWhy not require a negative COVID test from everyone entering the country? It’s like they don’t want COVID to be under control.", ">\n\nI think this is because China has a relatively low vaccination rate because they relied on lock downs. Now that lock downs are being ramped down, they are having a huge surge.", ">\n\nThe vaccination rate in China is considerably higher than the US (92% vs 81%). This is just another example of yellow peril", ">\n\nThank you for pointing this out. What I said above was wrong about the vaccination rate. I don’t know why exactly China is having a surge. 🤷‍♂️", ">\n\nTheir vaccination rate is high but their vaccine, SinoVac is based on old tech. It conveys effectively zero protection from variants when compared to all the other types of vaccines on the market.", ">\n\nYou guys are so full of shit. At 3 doses Sinovac gives the same protection as any western vaccine with boosters to help mitigate mutated variants. Stop spreading misinfo.", ">\n\n\"Does that thumbnail of someone getting tested read too much like 'screaming uselessly into the void'?\"\n\"I'm sure it'll be fine.\"", ">\n\nMaybe, just maybe they shouldnt have stopped testing airplane passengers in the first place... \nWe have cheap, readily available tests that take 10 minutes to complete. There’s really no reason not to test ever passenger before boarding...", ">\n\nEveryone I know who had Omicron tested negative until their symptoms cleared. It was evading the RATs, for some reason.", ">\n\nI tested positive on a rapid test two days after getting congested. Every teacher coworker of mine who bothered to test after getting cold symptoms also did. I think it's why so few parents now test their kids before sending time to school sick. They don't want to know so we all find out when we or our family members then test positive, missing work on their sick kids' behalf so they didn't have to. \nI have also heard the rapid test can give false negatives but anecdotal references don't mean much.", ">\n\nA day late and a dollar short. Same old song and dance.", ">\n\nWow, it’s like history literally repeating itself.", ">\n\nIndeed it is. I hope everyone is prepared for what’s next.", ">\n\nWe should require negative COVID tests for people to fly within the US, too.\nIt makes no difference to me if the person who infects me at LAX is coming in from China, or from Texas.", ">\n\nThere is a high chance anyone that comes from China has Covid right now. Low chance that someone inside America has.", ">\n\nNaw. China’s percent is much higher, sure, but it’s not like US infection rates are low. You can pretty much guarantee an infected American on every sold out domestic flight. The latest variants are super, super contagious, and it only takes one infected person to pose a serious risk to the other people sharing their space, and then all of their families and friends after they land. All flights should still require testing and masking at this point, or all we’ve really accomplished is pacifying the dimwits and xenophobes.\nI know at least 3 people who 100% contracted COVID while flying domestically in the US this last month - because they were isolated for the incubation period beforehand. They were masked the entire time they were in the airport and on the plane.", ">\n\nIf they were masked up and I assume vaccinated and still caught the virus then preventable measures like these aren’t that effective.", ">\n\nIs there a new strain of Covid that isn't in the U.S yet, otherwise what's the point.", ">\n\nUm testing should not ever stop.", ">\n\nAh shit here we go again", ">\n\n\"Who left the fridge open?\"", ">\n\nIt's \"just a cold\" unless it's a non-white person from another country carrying it.\n/s", ">\n\nChina implemented an ineffective vaccine and had 30m+ cases in one day. It’s specifically that gov. refusing to use effective vaccines", ">\n\nAnd the United States had effective vaccines that half the country is not willing to nor willing to wear masks, while complaining to other countries like China about their travel restrictions (from China and Hong Kong). And honestly I’m not oppose to a tighter restriction on China while they are experiencing a surge in new cases just as it did with any other countries that initially loosen covid restrictions, what makes me question this being race or politically motivated is the hypocrisy; people complained about China being oppressive when it was enforcing all the covid restrictions and when they loosen it “China doesn’t care about human lives”.\nSo what exactly do you want them to do?", ">\n\n\nto Require Negative Covid Tests for Travelers From China\n\nLuckily China is well known for its systemic unwillingness to fake or counterfeit things, so everything should be fine.\nhonest.", ">\n\nSeems purely retaliatory with no actual effectiveness.\nEnforcement is over a week away and presumably China has hit its peak already (flights being 40% positive)", ">\n\nThe rich rats are going to buy fake tests and jump ship breaking quarantine just like they did in the first wave. Cutting flights or enforcing quarantines is the only way to prevent this stuff from jumping oceans but god forbid anybody inhibit the jet setters.", ">\n\nHALF of the passengers on a plane from China going to Italy tested positive the other day (tested on arrival). Chances are most if not all of them had negative test results they could show that they took before they left. This won't do anything to stop people coming into the US while positive..we are going to have to go through this all over again and we won't have the same somewhat cooperative response in the US this time if it is a variant that evades immunity... It will get REALLY bad.", ">\n\nSeriously they know red states will just let them in and will never do another shut down again. So start dealt with out break countries this way to slow it down or corner it. But I see very very bad days ahead for China and Russia is starting to report out breaks too.", ">\n\nMust. When?", ">\n\nWe already require this from canada iirc\nEdit: i was wrong, canada requires it from us.", ">\n\nI hope we are talking PCR tests... those store-bought 15-minute ones struggle to get a positive if you have any sort of vaccination, even while symptomatic and miserable.", ">\n\nWell, a little bit of good news. I'll take it.", ">\n\nTravel should have been 100$ restricted a long time ago. Travel should be restricted to any country experiencing a COVID outbreak.", ">\n\nWonderful. Another round of Asian hating.", ">\n\nWho's hating on Asians? We're trying to stop this virus from killing people.", ">\n\nor… ban flights from china??", ">\n\nDoesn’t make sense in singling out China when covid is widespread in every single country", ">\n\nThe extent of covid in china atm is just absurd. Two weeks ago, they had 37 MILLION cases in one day. Think about that. Thats more people than a lot of countries! \nsource", ">\n\nI wonder why China has so much trouble with COVID compared to other countries, despite being so strict.", ">\n\nIt’s because they had the zero covid approaches that people are advocating for in this thread and they suddenly reversed course. Everyone in China is getting it so fast its likely the same variants quickly spreading in a population that suddenly reversed course. Having many people getting it over time and exposed to new generations of the virus (which is what happens over time) is more insidious but people here think thats fine", ">\n\nEveryone saying this is racist, do not pay attention to the world", ">\n\nIt was called racist and xenophobic when Trump did it. The left are hypocritical emotional wrecks.", ">\n\nnah trump was racist or did you forget he called it the “china virus” and subsequent hate crimes increased against adians", ">\n\nLet’s not change the subject. We’re talking about testing travelers from China here. Always trying to deflect.", ">\n\nIs that what he did, though? That and nothing else? This is a Fox News headline, but I bet there's a lot more to it. There usually is.\nFYI, Italy is also requiring testing of travelers from China at this time.\nBecause of the high number of cases in China at this time.", ">\n\nSo many dumb replies here. I am sad about where humankind is at.", ">\n\nRound two people", ">\n\nWe need to ramp up testing again at border.", ">\n\nChina trying to stop Covid…lol! Fail miserably at that, build a huge infected population, then unleash it on the world. Great job China /s", ">\n\nSell then the Moderna vaccine so they can treat themselves, ans end this debacle.", ">\n\nEven if US send Moderna and Phizer vaccine, China will not use it, because they boast about \"superior\" Chinese vaccine and don't want to lose face.\n​\nUntil they change their attitude, I suggest keeping restriction in place for PRC travelers.", ">\n\nOh definitely.", ">\n\nCCP exporting covid again.", ">\n\nPaywall - can anyone help me read the article? It sounds great in theory but why wait so long? That’s how this all started in 2020. Test now!", ">\n\nChina has been in quarantine until the protests. They have a very low of vaccinated people, so now everyone's breathing on each other's necks, squeezing in tight places and now introducing another pandemic. \nI believe a combination of everyone quarantined for too long and non vaccinated people are making this a very deadly spread.", ">\n\nTheir vaccination rate is not too bad, except among the elderly. But their vaccine was shit even before all the variants.\nThey've been trying to use lockdown to prevent spread and with the new variants that just won't work.\nSo yeah, they're pretty fucked.", ">\n\nVaccination rate is good, but the rate of people who are up to date on boosters is where they fall short even beyond just the elderly. It also doesn't help that the vaccine being used is overall less effective than the ones being used elsewhere like you said. Makes those booster shots many are lacking even more critical.", ">\n\nApparently Americans only get worried when it’s Chinese people spreading Covid as opposed to their own residents, citizens and Europeans.", ">\n\nseems xenophobic /s", ">\n\noh I'm sure conservatives will be very concerned about the \"freedoms\" of those travelers from China", ">\n\nHow's this going to work for the 75% of all our manufactured goods coming in from China?", ">\n\nThank God Biden is doing this if it was Trump they call him racist .", ">\n\nTrump admin did this and it was hailed as a great idea, because it was. And is.\nWho tf cares who the man or president is when it comes to health? Why are some people like this?", ">\n\nYou know that wasnt true.", ">\n\nWhy would they make a move that would indisputably send hundreds of thousands of infected into the wider world including those that may wind up being infected with a new variant or two? \nCan we at least conclude that China does not care about this possibility? Is that verboten to say?\nCan an axiomatically correct statement still result in a ban?", ">\n\nSounds kinda racist.", ">\n\nMakes absolute sense considering what's currently going on there. Canada should do the same. I'll even go as far as say suspend visas / entry from that part of the world temporarily, until they can get it under control", ">\n\nMakes sense. China is exploding with covid and who knows if/when the next bad variant develops there.", ">\n\nLmao Reddit enjoying their shut in lives so much I’d rather jump off the tallest bridge near me before going into lockdowns again.", ">\n\nXenophobia", ">\n\nXenophobic Biden", ">\n\nPeople are acting like Covid stopped spreading in the US… The US just decided to ignore it, that is until China gained more cases, and now it’s back to fear mongering Chinese people. I see that xenophobia is still alive and well in the US.", ">\n\nMy family and I caught covid during Thanksgiving after being careful for two years. Fortunately, we're all vaccinated so the symptoms didn't hit us too hard. We just got lax with being careful, but we'll probably be wearing our masks in crowded places just to be safe.", ">\n\nI never stopped wearing masks in the US while going to stores. The reality is we have had waves of Covid here in the US, and we have had different mutations of variants too.", ">\n\nThats racist. Biden should be ashamed of himself for allowing such bigotry and hatred towards our Chinese brethren.", ">\n\nThis applies to anyone traveling from China, not just the Chinese.", ">\n\nI wouldn’t think another country was rascist if the USA had a huge surge and temporarily suspended flights to:from the USA until the numbers came down.", ">\n\nSame biological warfare when westerners were entering into China in 2022?", ">\n\n50 Cent army, out in full force!", ">\n\nWhy are we letting anyone in from China?", ">\n\nCitizens and most permanent residents cannot be refused admission.", ">\n\nOh, here we go again.", ">\n\nKind of ironic seeing how the US has worse cases lmao", ">\n\nUS will keep up the bio attacks until the world complies with their foreign policy. Which is to keep China from becoming a threat to its hegemony", ">\n\nWeird how we can’t make our own citizens mask or test but we can make sure travelers from other places do \nWild how absolutely absurd the timeline we’re living in js", ">\n\nGood. We should not allow anyone from any country the opportunity to enter our country without proof.", ">\n\nIt’s not xenophobia, it’s (D)ifferent this time. Maybe if they let trump try this in the first place", ">\n\nThis just adds fuel to racist anti-Asian sentiment in the US. What about all the people on the plane with Chinese travelers who aren't Chinese? If the situation warrants testing of anyone, it warrants testing of everyone.", ">\n\nThis is just politics. Do we really want to pretend we don’t have an overwhelming amount of COVID cases right now in America? Everyone knows most people don’t test unless they’re very sick (which is rare now) and most who even do test use at home tests and don’t report the results. Can we really just not admit to ourselves as a nation that for the overwhelming majority of people COVID no longer poses a serious threat? Hospitalization, death and long COVID are statistically insignificant for healthy vaccinated individuals at this point I don’t see why anyone can see this as anymore than political posturing.", ">\n\nWelcome to the virtue signaling zone.", ">\n\nWell ??? Why wouldn't we check considering their outbreak is significant. Seriously was this a question ?", ">\n\nChina’s authoritarian regime locked down their country for years… this contained rhe virus until mass protests as well as international condemnations. So I believe Chinese govt is teaching their citizens a lesson. Let them roam free and allow international travel into the country. Let them get severely ill and die. Then they will acknowledge and apologize to the government. This type of reverse psychology isn’t new.", ">\n\nWe the People require a vigilant health care approach to our borders at the expense of [Pure Greed] from those who capitalize on what ails us\nWe the People demand all institutions do a readiness check \nAt which time We the People can demand a Meeting of the Continental Congress to address the state of our union, to reboot the principles and powers of the American Constitution and Bill of Rights, to re instate the neutral balance of power in the houses and senate of all levels of our current government[ one party control is not the operation of the United States of America 🇺🇸]", ">\n\nIf only we had this kind of foresight 3 years ago… we could have avoided this whole mess.", ">\n\nAnd Trump was called xenophobic when we asked for the same thing", ">\n\nExactly", ">\n\nWe should have another global 2020-tier lockdown period, imo. Work at home, way less flights active etc.", ">\n\nAnd millions of people, children, the most disadvantaged would die and suffer", ">\n\nI feel like they need to extend this restriction to all of Europe as well. It’s already spread outside of China.", ">\n\nSo I’m guessing it’s not racist now that Biden is doing it.", ">\n\nAgeeed", ">\n\nSome will get through. We may be in trouble.", ">\n\nIt's a racist policy. Why not ban people from Florida from traveling to the rest of the US? What's the difference?", ">\n\nThe scientific and medical community believe China is headed for another outbreak so this step is a must", ">\n\nCanadian here. I traveled from Toronto's Pearson International airport to the U S in November for Thanksgiving and the majority of travelers going through security were, I'd guess, Chinese carrying passports from that country, most not wearing masks. I don't really know if they were Canadian citizens or not but their passports definitely were not.", ">\n\nYet banning travel from China back in 2019-2020 was racist and xenophobic . No wonder the public has no confidence in the government.", ">\n\nI can’t believe the Biden admin actually went through this. They’re testing them just because they’re Chinese??? That is so racist smh", ">\n\nThis applies to anyone coming from China, not just Chinese citizens. It’s based on the ongoing outbreak, not their race.", ">\n\nWell it’s still racist to assume anyone from China is infected just because of where they’re coming from", ">\n\nIt’s not racist at all. “Coming from China” is not a race. They will test everyone on the plane regardless of demographics.", ">\n\nWhich is racist though. It’s the same thing Trump did by banning anyone coming from China. Why don’t they ban everyone coming from Japan? India? South Korea? Thailand? Etc? Why just the Chinese smh.", ">\n\nDamn that’s so racist #stopasianhate", ">\n\n2019 into 2020 all over again. \nAt least China has a strict ban on flights...\nOh", ">\n\nI don't think that's on China. I don't remember US banning any flights abroad during any of our surges?", ">\n\nI also don't remember the US being the origin of covid. \nChina has a special responsibility as a nation that fucked up and let covid grow out of control and escape its boundaries to not open up the export of viral vectors at the height of their crisis.\nCCP incompetence and mendacity has done enough already that they need to go above and beyond to keep shit as much as possible within their own borders.", ">\n\nThe fucks the point of that? They could be exposed, test negative and pop positive while they’re here or anywhere. Negative test doesn’t mean shit.", ">\n\nRayciss", ">\n\nThe government should require it for all airline passengers. Chinese travelers infected with COVID 19 are going to go to other countries too and some of those people will fly here. Likewise, there should be a requirement for all Americans going abroad so the U.S. doesn't spread COVID 19 to other countries.", ">\n\nChina the base screams, even democrats, the great enemy of this era. If England had a surge, nobody would be screaming for negative tests.", ">\n\nInconsiderate assholes", ">\n\nThat’s racist and anti Asian", ">\n\nHasn’t almost everyone in the US had it at this point? It’s like forbidding lighters in a forest that was recently burned down.", ">\n\nStop Asian Hate?", ">\n\nI feel that this is very anti Asian if it’s only for them.", ">\n\nThis is racism", ">\n\nIt’s prevention. There is a difference.", ">\n\nThere sure wasn't when Trump was president", ">\n\nThat's rich", ">\n\nMy man is getting ready to throat the fuck out that swab in the pic" ]
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[ "People from China will travel through Europe and come in to America from the east coast like they did when the pandemic started. This will do nothing if all travelers aboard aren’t made to test.", ">\n\nLet's hope EU and other countries do the same.", ">\n\nI don't know if they will. Australia (for example) had some of the toughest Covid policies and they've essentially just thrown them all out the window.\nSo I don't know how willing countries are to go back to being overly concerned about Covid.", ">\n\nThey should be concerned w chinese, it's spreading like wildfire in china. If we aren't careful, they will come out w covid 20.", ">\n\nIt’s spreading everywhere including the USA. This policy has nothing to do with science or medicine. It’s just politics.", ">\n\nNo. It’s circulating like mad in a population of 1 billion people who haven’t been exposed before. This is how new variants come about. Every country should require negative Covid test for china at least until it cycles through the population", ">\n\n\nNo. It’s circulating like mad in a population of 1 billion people who haven’t been exposed before.\n\nIt's also spreading like mad in all the countries of the world including the USA.\n\nThis is how new variants come about. \n\nAnd they have been for years now.\n\nEvery country should require negative Covid test for china at least until it cycles through the population\n\nOnly for political reasons. There is no scientific or rational demand for this. \nI get it, you hate china, most americans hate china so just be honest and say what you really mean.", ">\n\nStrains are spreading in the west yes, but there are new strains in China that are spreading and we don't know if our vaccines will work with those strains. We know the Chinese vaccines have a low efficacy rate and we know they are not mRNA vaccines which allow for easier adaptation to new strains. Making travelers with a Chinese passport take Covid tests at any and all airports is not racist or even unfair - a reminder that China has been relatively hard to travel to for the last 2 years because they were locked down to foreign travel as well. This is simply good policy from a public health measure, and you not wanting to see that for what it is and instead attribute it to a nascent American hatred for China is laughable. the World Health Organization estimated close to 800 million new cases in China in the next few months, with another estimate 4 million deaths and countless new strains coming out during that period. This is about protection populations, not punishing China.", ">\n\n\nStrains are spreading in the west yes, but there are new strains in China that are spreading and we don't know if our vaccines will work with those strains.\n\nYou don't know if vaccines work against any new variant even if that variant is from a country populated with white people.\n\nWe know the Chinese vaccines have a low efficacy rate and we know they are not mRNA vaccines which allow for easier adaptation to new strains. \n\nThe vaccine doesn't adapt once inside of your body you know that right?\n\nMaking travelers with a Chinese passport take Covid tests at any and all airports is not racist or even unfair \n\nit's definitely unfair and probably racist as well.\n\nhis is simply good policy from a public health measure, a\n\nA good policy would be to require vaccinations from everybody. Think about it, you are requiring a vaccine that you said doesn't even work. How much sense does that make?\n\nattribute it to a nascent American hatred for China is laughable.\n\nNascent?\n\nThis is about protection populations, not punishing China.\n\nIt's definitely about punishing china, it's a part of the current cold war with China conducted by the USA.", ">\n\n\nYou don't know if vaccines work against any new variant even if that variant is from a country populated with white people.\n\nAll the more reason to not invite more new strains into the country. White population or otherwise has nothing to do with it, expected rise in cases in China does.\n\nThe vaccine doesn't adapt once inside of your body you know that right?\n\nYou missed the point. The point i was making was that the Chinese medical system has not even approached Covid with an mRNA vaccine, and steadfastly refused to license western vaccines. If the vaccine most readily available in China has a 50% efficacy then the population is at more risk of contracting the virus and having negative results. The infection rates are increased with each new case of BA.7 (China is currently seeing each covid patient infecting on average 18 other people represented as 1:18, whereas the in US the rate is 1:3.9). Each of these factors increases the risk of developing new strains that are vaccine resistant. \n\nit's definitely unfair and probably racist as well\n\nIs it your position that nations cannot take any prescriptive action to prevent the spread of infected persons from other countries? Again i would remind you that China has basically been locked down for the last 2 years, with severe limitations to personal freedoms themselves. This is not based on race, but rather a government's inability to contain a contagious outbreak in their own country and not wanting it to spread. \n\nA good policy would be to require vaccinations from everybody. Think about it, you are requiring a vaccine that you said doesn't even work. How much sense does that make?\n\nThat might be your definition on good policy, but it isn't mine and that isn't how the west does it. \"I\" am not requiring a vaccine that \"I\" said doesn't work - that was your suggestion not mine. Also, i said the efficacy of the Chinese vaccine is 50% - based on available information - i never said it didn't work, and i never said that it should be mandatory or required.\n\nNascent?\n\nPoor and wrong word choice on my part it seems. What i meant was ascribing the US decision to require testing of Chinese travelers to racism because you believe that the US is racist is laughable. Taking a test to prove that you are covid negative is far less onerous on a traveler than most visa requirements.\n\nIt's definitely about punishing china, it's a part of the current cold war with China conducted by the USA.\n\nCite your sources. I could point to many Chinese government policies that i could say are part of the current cold war with the US without backing it up and it would be just as credible as what you said. Opinion is not a source, and not proof. You assume that the US government is racist, that this policy is racist and yet we have had travel bans imposed on other countries, as well as testing required for travelers from other countries imposed before, and other policies and so has China. For goodness sake China has been closed to foreigners for almost 3 years, and is still closed to foreign travel until January 2023. Is that a racist policy as well?", ">\n\nHere we go again.\nThis time I think I'll learn French cooking.", ">\n\n5000 People a day will have to die before Anybody says the word Lock down in the States ever again.", ">\n\nDon’t understand why people can’t handle staying at home for two weeks when it could potentially eradicate a deadly virus. Are we that weak?", ">\n\nWe did that in large part in March 2020. And did China not spend years locking down their citizens? \nPeoples savings are gone. They need to work. \nWearing a mask would do a lot to help the issue but people aren’t willing to do that anymore.", ">\n\nWe didn't do that though. We didn't all lock down when we were supposed to. Where I work I had to go in from the very start all the way through. Most people, the majority of people, didn't stay home even if they didn't have work. Most people didn't fuck with masks or keeping a distance, and even people who weren't antivaccers didn't take the vaccine seriously for the longest time. \nWe had no fucking lock down, unless you were a well-off celebrity or comedian who wanted to talk about being locked down for content. \nIf people legit locked down, they would have taken a small hit financially, but too many people didn't do shit and prolonged everything.", ">\n\nThe things is that it doesn't take long to drain peoples saving - becuase the overwhelming majority of people have practically none. \nSo an extended lockdown was never feasible unless the government was willing to pay several trillion dollars of expenses, not just 2 or 3 times but several times over.", ">\n\nI didn't dispute any of what you said. I pointed out that most people actively contested any safety measure and most people didn't actually lock down. Any extension will almost certainly be the fault of most of those people. \nI'd gladly let them all die if it meant the few people who did take things seriously didn't have to live through a Walking Dead scenario or have to take a huge financial hit because them.", ">\n\nMost people did lock down just fine initially. After a few weeks turned into a month or more, yeah people got testy.\nAdditionally, a gigantic amount of people work in critical industries and simply cant stay home. Just keeping the lights and water on requires tens of millions of workers, plus industries like plants and refineries that simply cannot shut down without massive long-term consequences.\nReddit is full of office people who can WFH, the vast majority of people cant.", ">\n\nI was one of those who couldn't stay home. Right out of the gate most people gave up on almost all of it except when they were making a show of complying when they had to. There was a lot of cheating. I walk through a lot of different areas. The waves of patients and bodies we got at work tracked with that and became predictable.", ">\n\nWhat’s that saying that ends with ”…doomed to repeat it?”", ">\n\nWhy not just require a negative test from everyone?", ">\n\nWho would you expect to pay for that?", ">\n\nGovernments or sponsors from the private sector ideally, I honestly don’t give a fuck. I’ve gotten many free tests from both and I’ve also bought some for like $8.", ">\n\n“Here we go again” from everyone in the comments. \nThe virus never stopped, we did.", ">\n\nVirus will always be there. Permanent restrictions are unsustainable", ">\n\n3 years later...\nIs this permanent?", ">\n\nI doubt there's anything that would make Republicans running in 2024 happier then Democrats advocating for a return to COVID restrictions.", ">\n\nRight? It’d be like the democrats fighting for gun control, or gay and trans rights, or safe and legal abortions. It would be political suicide to stand for something that Republicans don’t like!", ">\n\nMy understanding is that everything you listed is broadly popular or has at least a majority of American's in favor of it. A return to COVID restrictions is not in that category.", ">\n\nGun control isn’t even universally loved amongst the American left, as the hard left needs them for protection from the hard right they clash with, and the middle left does like having their guns taken as much as any middle right wing does, only mid left likes it", ">\n\nGallup has 57% of Americans feeling that in general gun laws should be more strict.", ">\n\nRegular people want kids to stop dying while in school. The problem is \"stricter laws\" is vague and no one can agree on what it means or give a serious proposal that would work, short of confiscation and bans, which are wildly unpopular.", ">\n\nVague political talking points is the best we’re going to get. Much as I’d love a Ross Perot style of breaking down every platform and promise, the general public doesn’t go for it. Buzz words are all we have the attention span for.", ">\n\nChina's COVID-19 surge raises odds of new coronavirus variants\nThings could get very ugly.", ">\n\nYou say this like covid hasn't been spreading rampantly through literally every country on the planet, mostly without any measures to stop the spread. Why does China get a different treatment and maybe countries should require tests from the US or Inida or Europe?", ">\n\nI agree. US was primarily the culprit of why COVID went rampant to begin with. We actively refused to enforce any sort of safety measures, just a mild suggestion of \"maybe wear a mask, if you want to, it's ok if you don't\" and \"we have vaccines if you want one, no pressure tho\". That was really our response to the world's deadliest pandemic.", ">\n\nWe actively made fun of zero covid approaches on reddit and now based on the comments on this thread we are suddenly pro “zero covid” approaches", ">\n\nEveryone finally watched contagion", ">\n\nSo far my 2023 bingo card is reading alooot of skull and crossbones, I think I might actually win at something next year, what does your score card look like?", ">\n\nWhen’s that $1200 going to hit my account?", ">\n\nI’m still living off mine from last time!", ">\n\nI’m still looking for mine", ">\n\nI’m waiting for that $600 bucks from Biden still, but that’s going right into my retirement!", ">\n\nYou dont get he meant to include any money you already received as well /s", ">\n\nI seem to remember campaign ads with $2000 checks.", ">\n\nYep they explicitly mentioned $2,000 checks.", ">\n\nMy comment was sarcasm but in retrospect there are so many neoliberals saying that word for word in all seriousness that I should and will add a sarcasm tag", ">\n\nThat's nice and all, but let's not act like we're not just ignoring our own COVID problems.", ">\n\n\n\"You don't have zero tolerance anymore? We can't tolerate that.\"\n\n- Country with 100% tolerance", ">\n\nWhy not require a negative COVID test from everyone entering the country? It’s like they don’t want COVID to be under control.", ">\n\nI think this is because China has a relatively low vaccination rate because they relied on lock downs. Now that lock downs are being ramped down, they are having a huge surge.", ">\n\nThe vaccination rate in China is considerably higher than the US (92% vs 81%). This is just another example of yellow peril", ">\n\nThank you for pointing this out. What I said above was wrong about the vaccination rate. I don’t know why exactly China is having a surge. 🤷‍♂️", ">\n\nTheir vaccination rate is high but their vaccine, SinoVac is based on old tech. It conveys effectively zero protection from variants when compared to all the other types of vaccines on the market.", ">\n\nYou guys are so full of shit. At 3 doses Sinovac gives the same protection as any western vaccine with boosters to help mitigate mutated variants. Stop spreading misinfo.", ">\n\n\"Does that thumbnail of someone getting tested read too much like 'screaming uselessly into the void'?\"\n\"I'm sure it'll be fine.\"", ">\n\nMaybe, just maybe they shouldnt have stopped testing airplane passengers in the first place... \nWe have cheap, readily available tests that take 10 minutes to complete. There’s really no reason not to test ever passenger before boarding...", ">\n\nEveryone I know who had Omicron tested negative until their symptoms cleared. It was evading the RATs, for some reason.", ">\n\nI tested positive on a rapid test two days after getting congested. Every teacher coworker of mine who bothered to test after getting cold symptoms also did. I think it's why so few parents now test their kids before sending time to school sick. They don't want to know so we all find out when we or our family members then test positive, missing work on their sick kids' behalf so they didn't have to. \nI have also heard the rapid test can give false negatives but anecdotal references don't mean much.", ">\n\nA day late and a dollar short. Same old song and dance.", ">\n\nWow, it’s like history literally repeating itself.", ">\n\nIndeed it is. I hope everyone is prepared for what’s next.", ">\n\nWe should require negative COVID tests for people to fly within the US, too.\nIt makes no difference to me if the person who infects me at LAX is coming in from China, or from Texas.", ">\n\nThere is a high chance anyone that comes from China has Covid right now. Low chance that someone inside America has.", ">\n\nNaw. China’s percent is much higher, sure, but it’s not like US infection rates are low. You can pretty much guarantee an infected American on every sold out domestic flight. The latest variants are super, super contagious, and it only takes one infected person to pose a serious risk to the other people sharing their space, and then all of their families and friends after they land. All flights should still require testing and masking at this point, or all we’ve really accomplished is pacifying the dimwits and xenophobes.\nI know at least 3 people who 100% contracted COVID while flying domestically in the US this last month - because they were isolated for the incubation period beforehand. They were masked the entire time they were in the airport and on the plane.", ">\n\nIf they were masked up and I assume vaccinated and still caught the virus then preventable measures like these aren’t that effective.", ">\n\nIs there a new strain of Covid that isn't in the U.S yet, otherwise what's the point.", ">\n\nUm testing should not ever stop.", ">\n\nAh shit here we go again", ">\n\n\"Who left the fridge open?\"", ">\n\nIt's \"just a cold\" unless it's a non-white person from another country carrying it.\n/s", ">\n\nChina implemented an ineffective vaccine and had 30m+ cases in one day. It’s specifically that gov. refusing to use effective vaccines", ">\n\nAnd the United States had effective vaccines that half the country is not willing to nor willing to wear masks, while complaining to other countries like China about their travel restrictions (from China and Hong Kong). And honestly I’m not oppose to a tighter restriction on China while they are experiencing a surge in new cases just as it did with any other countries that initially loosen covid restrictions, what makes me question this being race or politically motivated is the hypocrisy; people complained about China being oppressive when it was enforcing all the covid restrictions and when they loosen it “China doesn’t care about human lives”.\nSo what exactly do you want them to do?", ">\n\n\nto Require Negative Covid Tests for Travelers From China\n\nLuckily China is well known for its systemic unwillingness to fake or counterfeit things, so everything should be fine.\nhonest.", ">\n\nSeems purely retaliatory with no actual effectiveness.\nEnforcement is over a week away and presumably China has hit its peak already (flights being 40% positive)", ">\n\nThe rich rats are going to buy fake tests and jump ship breaking quarantine just like they did in the first wave. Cutting flights or enforcing quarantines is the only way to prevent this stuff from jumping oceans but god forbid anybody inhibit the jet setters.", ">\n\nHALF of the passengers on a plane from China going to Italy tested positive the other day (tested on arrival). Chances are most if not all of them had negative test results they could show that they took before they left. This won't do anything to stop people coming into the US while positive..we are going to have to go through this all over again and we won't have the same somewhat cooperative response in the US this time if it is a variant that evades immunity... It will get REALLY bad.", ">\n\nSeriously they know red states will just let them in and will never do another shut down again. So start dealt with out break countries this way to slow it down or corner it. But I see very very bad days ahead for China and Russia is starting to report out breaks too.", ">\n\nMust. When?", ">\n\nWe already require this from canada iirc\nEdit: i was wrong, canada requires it from us.", ">\n\nI hope we are talking PCR tests... those store-bought 15-minute ones struggle to get a positive if you have any sort of vaccination, even while symptomatic and miserable.", ">\n\nWell, a little bit of good news. I'll take it.", ">\n\nTravel should have been 100$ restricted a long time ago. Travel should be restricted to any country experiencing a COVID outbreak.", ">\n\nWonderful. Another round of Asian hating.", ">\n\nWho's hating on Asians? We're trying to stop this virus from killing people.", ">\n\nor… ban flights from china??", ">\n\nDoesn’t make sense in singling out China when covid is widespread in every single country", ">\n\nThe extent of covid in china atm is just absurd. Two weeks ago, they had 37 MILLION cases in one day. Think about that. Thats more people than a lot of countries! \nsource", ">\n\nI wonder why China has so much trouble with COVID compared to other countries, despite being so strict.", ">\n\nIt’s because they had the zero covid approaches that people are advocating for in this thread and they suddenly reversed course. Everyone in China is getting it so fast its likely the same variants quickly spreading in a population that suddenly reversed course. Having many people getting it over time and exposed to new generations of the virus (which is what happens over time) is more insidious but people here think thats fine", ">\n\nEveryone saying this is racist, do not pay attention to the world", ">\n\nIt was called racist and xenophobic when Trump did it. The left are hypocritical emotional wrecks.", ">\n\nnah trump was racist or did you forget he called it the “china virus” and subsequent hate crimes increased against adians", ">\n\nLet’s not change the subject. We’re talking about testing travelers from China here. Always trying to deflect.", ">\n\nIs that what he did, though? That and nothing else? This is a Fox News headline, but I bet there's a lot more to it. There usually is.\nFYI, Italy is also requiring testing of travelers from China at this time.\nBecause of the high number of cases in China at this time.", ">\n\nSo many dumb replies here. I am sad about where humankind is at.", ">\n\nRound two people", ">\n\nWe need to ramp up testing again at border.", ">\n\nChina trying to stop Covid…lol! Fail miserably at that, build a huge infected population, then unleash it on the world. Great job China /s", ">\n\nSell then the Moderna vaccine so they can treat themselves, ans end this debacle.", ">\n\nEven if US send Moderna and Phizer vaccine, China will not use it, because they boast about \"superior\" Chinese vaccine and don't want to lose face.\n​\nUntil they change their attitude, I suggest keeping restriction in place for PRC travelers.", ">\n\nOh definitely.", ">\n\nCCP exporting covid again.", ">\n\nPaywall - can anyone help me read the article? It sounds great in theory but why wait so long? That’s how this all started in 2020. Test now!", ">\n\nChina has been in quarantine until the protests. They have a very low of vaccinated people, so now everyone's breathing on each other's necks, squeezing in tight places and now introducing another pandemic. \nI believe a combination of everyone quarantined for too long and non vaccinated people are making this a very deadly spread.", ">\n\nTheir vaccination rate is not too bad, except among the elderly. But their vaccine was shit even before all the variants.\nThey've been trying to use lockdown to prevent spread and with the new variants that just won't work.\nSo yeah, they're pretty fucked.", ">\n\nVaccination rate is good, but the rate of people who are up to date on boosters is where they fall short even beyond just the elderly. It also doesn't help that the vaccine being used is overall less effective than the ones being used elsewhere like you said. Makes those booster shots many are lacking even more critical.", ">\n\nApparently Americans only get worried when it’s Chinese people spreading Covid as opposed to their own residents, citizens and Europeans.", ">\n\nseems xenophobic /s", ">\n\noh I'm sure conservatives will be very concerned about the \"freedoms\" of those travelers from China", ">\n\nHow's this going to work for the 75% of all our manufactured goods coming in from China?", ">\n\nThank God Biden is doing this if it was Trump they call him racist .", ">\n\nTrump admin did this and it was hailed as a great idea, because it was. And is.\nWho tf cares who the man or president is when it comes to health? Why are some people like this?", ">\n\nYou know that wasnt true.", ">\n\nWhy would they make a move that would indisputably send hundreds of thousands of infected into the wider world including those that may wind up being infected with a new variant or two? \nCan we at least conclude that China does not care about this possibility? Is that verboten to say?\nCan an axiomatically correct statement still result in a ban?", ">\n\nSounds kinda racist.", ">\n\nMakes absolute sense considering what's currently going on there. Canada should do the same. I'll even go as far as say suspend visas / entry from that part of the world temporarily, until they can get it under control", ">\n\nMakes sense. China is exploding with covid and who knows if/when the next bad variant develops there.", ">\n\nLmao Reddit enjoying their shut in lives so much I’d rather jump off the tallest bridge near me before going into lockdowns again.", ">\n\nXenophobia", ">\n\nXenophobic Biden", ">\n\nPeople are acting like Covid stopped spreading in the US… The US just decided to ignore it, that is until China gained more cases, and now it’s back to fear mongering Chinese people. I see that xenophobia is still alive and well in the US.", ">\n\nMy family and I caught covid during Thanksgiving after being careful for two years. Fortunately, we're all vaccinated so the symptoms didn't hit us too hard. We just got lax with being careful, but we'll probably be wearing our masks in crowded places just to be safe.", ">\n\nI never stopped wearing masks in the US while going to stores. The reality is we have had waves of Covid here in the US, and we have had different mutations of variants too.", ">\n\nThats racist. Biden should be ashamed of himself for allowing such bigotry and hatred towards our Chinese brethren.", ">\n\nThis applies to anyone traveling from China, not just the Chinese.", ">\n\nI wouldn’t think another country was rascist if the USA had a huge surge and temporarily suspended flights to:from the USA until the numbers came down.", ">\n\nSame biological warfare when westerners were entering into China in 2022?", ">\n\n50 Cent army, out in full force!", ">\n\nWhy are we letting anyone in from China?", ">\n\nCitizens and most permanent residents cannot be refused admission.", ">\n\nOh, here we go again.", ">\n\nKind of ironic seeing how the US has worse cases lmao", ">\n\nUS will keep up the bio attacks until the world complies with their foreign policy. Which is to keep China from becoming a threat to its hegemony", ">\n\nWeird how we can’t make our own citizens mask or test but we can make sure travelers from other places do \nWild how absolutely absurd the timeline we’re living in js", ">\n\nGood. We should not allow anyone from any country the opportunity to enter our country without proof.", ">\n\nIt’s not xenophobia, it’s (D)ifferent this time. Maybe if they let trump try this in the first place", ">\n\nThis just adds fuel to racist anti-Asian sentiment in the US. What about all the people on the plane with Chinese travelers who aren't Chinese? If the situation warrants testing of anyone, it warrants testing of everyone.", ">\n\nThis is just politics. Do we really want to pretend we don’t have an overwhelming amount of COVID cases right now in America? Everyone knows most people don’t test unless they’re very sick (which is rare now) and most who even do test use at home tests and don’t report the results. Can we really just not admit to ourselves as a nation that for the overwhelming majority of people COVID no longer poses a serious threat? Hospitalization, death and long COVID are statistically insignificant for healthy vaccinated individuals at this point I don’t see why anyone can see this as anymore than political posturing.", ">\n\nWelcome to the virtue signaling zone.", ">\n\nWell ??? Why wouldn't we check considering their outbreak is significant. Seriously was this a question ?", ">\n\nChina’s authoritarian regime locked down their country for years… this contained rhe virus until mass protests as well as international condemnations. So I believe Chinese govt is teaching their citizens a lesson. Let them roam free and allow international travel into the country. Let them get severely ill and die. Then they will acknowledge and apologize to the government. This type of reverse psychology isn’t new.", ">\n\nWe the People require a vigilant health care approach to our borders at the expense of [Pure Greed] from those who capitalize on what ails us\nWe the People demand all institutions do a readiness check \nAt which time We the People can demand a Meeting of the Continental Congress to address the state of our union, to reboot the principles and powers of the American Constitution and Bill of Rights, to re instate the neutral balance of power in the houses and senate of all levels of our current government[ one party control is not the operation of the United States of America 🇺🇸]", ">\n\nIf only we had this kind of foresight 3 years ago… we could have avoided this whole mess.", ">\n\nAnd Trump was called xenophobic when we asked for the same thing", ">\n\nExactly", ">\n\nWe should have another global 2020-tier lockdown period, imo. Work at home, way less flights active etc.", ">\n\nAnd millions of people, children, the most disadvantaged would die and suffer", ">\n\nI feel like they need to extend this restriction to all of Europe as well. It’s already spread outside of China.", ">\n\nSo I’m guessing it’s not racist now that Biden is doing it.", ">\n\nAgeeed", ">\n\nSome will get through. We may be in trouble.", ">\n\nIt's a racist policy. Why not ban people from Florida from traveling to the rest of the US? What's the difference?", ">\n\nThe scientific and medical community believe China is headed for another outbreak so this step is a must", ">\n\nCanadian here. I traveled from Toronto's Pearson International airport to the U S in November for Thanksgiving and the majority of travelers going through security were, I'd guess, Chinese carrying passports from that country, most not wearing masks. I don't really know if they were Canadian citizens or not but their passports definitely were not.", ">\n\nYet banning travel from China back in 2019-2020 was racist and xenophobic . No wonder the public has no confidence in the government.", ">\n\nI can’t believe the Biden admin actually went through this. They’re testing them just because they’re Chinese??? That is so racist smh", ">\n\nThis applies to anyone coming from China, not just Chinese citizens. It’s based on the ongoing outbreak, not their race.", ">\n\nWell it’s still racist to assume anyone from China is infected just because of where they’re coming from", ">\n\nIt’s not racist at all. “Coming from China” is not a race. They will test everyone on the plane regardless of demographics.", ">\n\nWhich is racist though. It’s the same thing Trump did by banning anyone coming from China. Why don’t they ban everyone coming from Japan? India? South Korea? Thailand? Etc? Why just the Chinese smh.", ">\n\nDamn that’s so racist #stopasianhate", ">\n\n2019 into 2020 all over again. \nAt least China has a strict ban on flights...\nOh", ">\n\nI don't think that's on China. I don't remember US banning any flights abroad during any of our surges?", ">\n\nI also don't remember the US being the origin of covid. \nChina has a special responsibility as a nation that fucked up and let covid grow out of control and escape its boundaries to not open up the export of viral vectors at the height of their crisis.\nCCP incompetence and mendacity has done enough already that they need to go above and beyond to keep shit as much as possible within their own borders.", ">\n\nThe fucks the point of that? They could be exposed, test negative and pop positive while they’re here or anywhere. Negative test doesn’t mean shit.", ">\n\nRayciss", ">\n\nThe government should require it for all airline passengers. Chinese travelers infected with COVID 19 are going to go to other countries too and some of those people will fly here. Likewise, there should be a requirement for all Americans going abroad so the U.S. doesn't spread COVID 19 to other countries.", ">\n\nChina the base screams, even democrats, the great enemy of this era. If England had a surge, nobody would be screaming for negative tests.", ">\n\nInconsiderate assholes", ">\n\nThat’s racist and anti Asian", ">\n\nHasn’t almost everyone in the US had it at this point? It’s like forbidding lighters in a forest that was recently burned down.", ">\n\nStop Asian Hate?", ">\n\nI feel that this is very anti Asian if it’s only for them.", ">\n\nThis is racism", ">\n\nIt’s prevention. There is a difference.", ">\n\nThere sure wasn't when Trump was president", ">\n\nThat's rich", ">\n\nMy man is getting ready to throat the fuck out that swab in the pic", ">\n\nfreedumb convoy assemble" ]
> Tbf each Chinese citizen is considered a weapon lol pass on the XiFlu and CCP gets bodies on USA streets. Solution 4 weeks isolation for each citizen in any nation that they have to pay for regardless of the financial situation (if you have no money how do you expect to live…) then request all citizens to give up their devices so CCP can’t track them. First phone can be given to them without a credit check on the GOV
[ "People from China will travel through Europe and come in to America from the east coast like they did when the pandemic started. This will do nothing if all travelers aboard aren’t made to test.", ">\n\nLet's hope EU and other countries do the same.", ">\n\nI don't know if they will. Australia (for example) had some of the toughest Covid policies and they've essentially just thrown them all out the window.\nSo I don't know how willing countries are to go back to being overly concerned about Covid.", ">\n\nThey should be concerned w chinese, it's spreading like wildfire in china. If we aren't careful, they will come out w covid 20.", ">\n\nIt’s spreading everywhere including the USA. This policy has nothing to do with science or medicine. It’s just politics.", ">\n\nNo. It’s circulating like mad in a population of 1 billion people who haven’t been exposed before. This is how new variants come about. Every country should require negative Covid test for china at least until it cycles through the population", ">\n\n\nNo. It’s circulating like mad in a population of 1 billion people who haven’t been exposed before.\n\nIt's also spreading like mad in all the countries of the world including the USA.\n\nThis is how new variants come about. \n\nAnd they have been for years now.\n\nEvery country should require negative Covid test for china at least until it cycles through the population\n\nOnly for political reasons. There is no scientific or rational demand for this. \nI get it, you hate china, most americans hate china so just be honest and say what you really mean.", ">\n\nStrains are spreading in the west yes, but there are new strains in China that are spreading and we don't know if our vaccines will work with those strains. We know the Chinese vaccines have a low efficacy rate and we know they are not mRNA vaccines which allow for easier adaptation to new strains. Making travelers with a Chinese passport take Covid tests at any and all airports is not racist or even unfair - a reminder that China has been relatively hard to travel to for the last 2 years because they were locked down to foreign travel as well. This is simply good policy from a public health measure, and you not wanting to see that for what it is and instead attribute it to a nascent American hatred for China is laughable. the World Health Organization estimated close to 800 million new cases in China in the next few months, with another estimate 4 million deaths and countless new strains coming out during that period. This is about protection populations, not punishing China.", ">\n\n\nStrains are spreading in the west yes, but there are new strains in China that are spreading and we don't know if our vaccines will work with those strains.\n\nYou don't know if vaccines work against any new variant even if that variant is from a country populated with white people.\n\nWe know the Chinese vaccines have a low efficacy rate and we know they are not mRNA vaccines which allow for easier adaptation to new strains. \n\nThe vaccine doesn't adapt once inside of your body you know that right?\n\nMaking travelers with a Chinese passport take Covid tests at any and all airports is not racist or even unfair \n\nit's definitely unfair and probably racist as well.\n\nhis is simply good policy from a public health measure, a\n\nA good policy would be to require vaccinations from everybody. Think about it, you are requiring a vaccine that you said doesn't even work. How much sense does that make?\n\nattribute it to a nascent American hatred for China is laughable.\n\nNascent?\n\nThis is about protection populations, not punishing China.\n\nIt's definitely about punishing china, it's a part of the current cold war with China conducted by the USA.", ">\n\n\nYou don't know if vaccines work against any new variant even if that variant is from a country populated with white people.\n\nAll the more reason to not invite more new strains into the country. White population or otherwise has nothing to do with it, expected rise in cases in China does.\n\nThe vaccine doesn't adapt once inside of your body you know that right?\n\nYou missed the point. The point i was making was that the Chinese medical system has not even approached Covid with an mRNA vaccine, and steadfastly refused to license western vaccines. If the vaccine most readily available in China has a 50% efficacy then the population is at more risk of contracting the virus and having negative results. The infection rates are increased with each new case of BA.7 (China is currently seeing each covid patient infecting on average 18 other people represented as 1:18, whereas the in US the rate is 1:3.9). Each of these factors increases the risk of developing new strains that are vaccine resistant. \n\nit's definitely unfair and probably racist as well\n\nIs it your position that nations cannot take any prescriptive action to prevent the spread of infected persons from other countries? Again i would remind you that China has basically been locked down for the last 2 years, with severe limitations to personal freedoms themselves. This is not based on race, but rather a government's inability to contain a contagious outbreak in their own country and not wanting it to spread. \n\nA good policy would be to require vaccinations from everybody. Think about it, you are requiring a vaccine that you said doesn't even work. How much sense does that make?\n\nThat might be your definition on good policy, but it isn't mine and that isn't how the west does it. \"I\" am not requiring a vaccine that \"I\" said doesn't work - that was your suggestion not mine. Also, i said the efficacy of the Chinese vaccine is 50% - based on available information - i never said it didn't work, and i never said that it should be mandatory or required.\n\nNascent?\n\nPoor and wrong word choice on my part it seems. What i meant was ascribing the US decision to require testing of Chinese travelers to racism because you believe that the US is racist is laughable. Taking a test to prove that you are covid negative is far less onerous on a traveler than most visa requirements.\n\nIt's definitely about punishing china, it's a part of the current cold war with China conducted by the USA.\n\nCite your sources. I could point to many Chinese government policies that i could say are part of the current cold war with the US without backing it up and it would be just as credible as what you said. Opinion is not a source, and not proof. You assume that the US government is racist, that this policy is racist and yet we have had travel bans imposed on other countries, as well as testing required for travelers from other countries imposed before, and other policies and so has China. For goodness sake China has been closed to foreigners for almost 3 years, and is still closed to foreign travel until January 2023. Is that a racist policy as well?", ">\n\nHere we go again.\nThis time I think I'll learn French cooking.", ">\n\n5000 People a day will have to die before Anybody says the word Lock down in the States ever again.", ">\n\nDon’t understand why people can’t handle staying at home for two weeks when it could potentially eradicate a deadly virus. Are we that weak?", ">\n\nWe did that in large part in March 2020. And did China not spend years locking down their citizens? \nPeoples savings are gone. They need to work. \nWearing a mask would do a lot to help the issue but people aren’t willing to do that anymore.", ">\n\nWe didn't do that though. We didn't all lock down when we were supposed to. Where I work I had to go in from the very start all the way through. Most people, the majority of people, didn't stay home even if they didn't have work. Most people didn't fuck with masks or keeping a distance, and even people who weren't antivaccers didn't take the vaccine seriously for the longest time. \nWe had no fucking lock down, unless you were a well-off celebrity or comedian who wanted to talk about being locked down for content. \nIf people legit locked down, they would have taken a small hit financially, but too many people didn't do shit and prolonged everything.", ">\n\nThe things is that it doesn't take long to drain peoples saving - becuase the overwhelming majority of people have practically none. \nSo an extended lockdown was never feasible unless the government was willing to pay several trillion dollars of expenses, not just 2 or 3 times but several times over.", ">\n\nI didn't dispute any of what you said. I pointed out that most people actively contested any safety measure and most people didn't actually lock down. Any extension will almost certainly be the fault of most of those people. \nI'd gladly let them all die if it meant the few people who did take things seriously didn't have to live through a Walking Dead scenario or have to take a huge financial hit because them.", ">\n\nMost people did lock down just fine initially. After a few weeks turned into a month or more, yeah people got testy.\nAdditionally, a gigantic amount of people work in critical industries and simply cant stay home. Just keeping the lights and water on requires tens of millions of workers, plus industries like plants and refineries that simply cannot shut down without massive long-term consequences.\nReddit is full of office people who can WFH, the vast majority of people cant.", ">\n\nI was one of those who couldn't stay home. Right out of the gate most people gave up on almost all of it except when they were making a show of complying when they had to. There was a lot of cheating. I walk through a lot of different areas. The waves of patients and bodies we got at work tracked with that and became predictable.", ">\n\nWhat’s that saying that ends with ”…doomed to repeat it?”", ">\n\nWhy not just require a negative test from everyone?", ">\n\nWho would you expect to pay for that?", ">\n\nGovernments or sponsors from the private sector ideally, I honestly don’t give a fuck. I’ve gotten many free tests from both and I’ve also bought some for like $8.", ">\n\n“Here we go again” from everyone in the comments. \nThe virus never stopped, we did.", ">\n\nVirus will always be there. Permanent restrictions are unsustainable", ">\n\n3 years later...\nIs this permanent?", ">\n\nI doubt there's anything that would make Republicans running in 2024 happier then Democrats advocating for a return to COVID restrictions.", ">\n\nRight? It’d be like the democrats fighting for gun control, or gay and trans rights, or safe and legal abortions. It would be political suicide to stand for something that Republicans don’t like!", ">\n\nMy understanding is that everything you listed is broadly popular or has at least a majority of American's in favor of it. A return to COVID restrictions is not in that category.", ">\n\nGun control isn’t even universally loved amongst the American left, as the hard left needs them for protection from the hard right they clash with, and the middle left does like having their guns taken as much as any middle right wing does, only mid left likes it", ">\n\nGallup has 57% of Americans feeling that in general gun laws should be more strict.", ">\n\nRegular people want kids to stop dying while in school. The problem is \"stricter laws\" is vague and no one can agree on what it means or give a serious proposal that would work, short of confiscation and bans, which are wildly unpopular.", ">\n\nVague political talking points is the best we’re going to get. Much as I’d love a Ross Perot style of breaking down every platform and promise, the general public doesn’t go for it. Buzz words are all we have the attention span for.", ">\n\nChina's COVID-19 surge raises odds of new coronavirus variants\nThings could get very ugly.", ">\n\nYou say this like covid hasn't been spreading rampantly through literally every country on the planet, mostly without any measures to stop the spread. Why does China get a different treatment and maybe countries should require tests from the US or Inida or Europe?", ">\n\nI agree. US was primarily the culprit of why COVID went rampant to begin with. We actively refused to enforce any sort of safety measures, just a mild suggestion of \"maybe wear a mask, if you want to, it's ok if you don't\" and \"we have vaccines if you want one, no pressure tho\". That was really our response to the world's deadliest pandemic.", ">\n\nWe actively made fun of zero covid approaches on reddit and now based on the comments on this thread we are suddenly pro “zero covid” approaches", ">\n\nEveryone finally watched contagion", ">\n\nSo far my 2023 bingo card is reading alooot of skull and crossbones, I think I might actually win at something next year, what does your score card look like?", ">\n\nWhen’s that $1200 going to hit my account?", ">\n\nI’m still living off mine from last time!", ">\n\nI’m still looking for mine", ">\n\nI’m waiting for that $600 bucks from Biden still, but that’s going right into my retirement!", ">\n\nYou dont get he meant to include any money you already received as well /s", ">\n\nI seem to remember campaign ads with $2000 checks.", ">\n\nYep they explicitly mentioned $2,000 checks.", ">\n\nMy comment was sarcasm but in retrospect there are so many neoliberals saying that word for word in all seriousness that I should and will add a sarcasm tag", ">\n\nThat's nice and all, but let's not act like we're not just ignoring our own COVID problems.", ">\n\n\n\"You don't have zero tolerance anymore? We can't tolerate that.\"\n\n- Country with 100% tolerance", ">\n\nWhy not require a negative COVID test from everyone entering the country? It’s like they don’t want COVID to be under control.", ">\n\nI think this is because China has a relatively low vaccination rate because they relied on lock downs. Now that lock downs are being ramped down, they are having a huge surge.", ">\n\nThe vaccination rate in China is considerably higher than the US (92% vs 81%). This is just another example of yellow peril", ">\n\nThank you for pointing this out. What I said above was wrong about the vaccination rate. I don’t know why exactly China is having a surge. 🤷‍♂️", ">\n\nTheir vaccination rate is high but their vaccine, SinoVac is based on old tech. It conveys effectively zero protection from variants when compared to all the other types of vaccines on the market.", ">\n\nYou guys are so full of shit. At 3 doses Sinovac gives the same protection as any western vaccine with boosters to help mitigate mutated variants. Stop spreading misinfo.", ">\n\n\"Does that thumbnail of someone getting tested read too much like 'screaming uselessly into the void'?\"\n\"I'm sure it'll be fine.\"", ">\n\nMaybe, just maybe they shouldnt have stopped testing airplane passengers in the first place... \nWe have cheap, readily available tests that take 10 minutes to complete. There’s really no reason not to test ever passenger before boarding...", ">\n\nEveryone I know who had Omicron tested negative until their symptoms cleared. It was evading the RATs, for some reason.", ">\n\nI tested positive on a rapid test two days after getting congested. Every teacher coworker of mine who bothered to test after getting cold symptoms also did. I think it's why so few parents now test their kids before sending time to school sick. They don't want to know so we all find out when we or our family members then test positive, missing work on their sick kids' behalf so they didn't have to. \nI have also heard the rapid test can give false negatives but anecdotal references don't mean much.", ">\n\nA day late and a dollar short. Same old song and dance.", ">\n\nWow, it’s like history literally repeating itself.", ">\n\nIndeed it is. I hope everyone is prepared for what’s next.", ">\n\nWe should require negative COVID tests for people to fly within the US, too.\nIt makes no difference to me if the person who infects me at LAX is coming in from China, or from Texas.", ">\n\nThere is a high chance anyone that comes from China has Covid right now. Low chance that someone inside America has.", ">\n\nNaw. China’s percent is much higher, sure, but it’s not like US infection rates are low. You can pretty much guarantee an infected American on every sold out domestic flight. The latest variants are super, super contagious, and it only takes one infected person to pose a serious risk to the other people sharing their space, and then all of their families and friends after they land. All flights should still require testing and masking at this point, or all we’ve really accomplished is pacifying the dimwits and xenophobes.\nI know at least 3 people who 100% contracted COVID while flying domestically in the US this last month - because they were isolated for the incubation period beforehand. They were masked the entire time they were in the airport and on the plane.", ">\n\nIf they were masked up and I assume vaccinated and still caught the virus then preventable measures like these aren’t that effective.", ">\n\nIs there a new strain of Covid that isn't in the U.S yet, otherwise what's the point.", ">\n\nUm testing should not ever stop.", ">\n\nAh shit here we go again", ">\n\n\"Who left the fridge open?\"", ">\n\nIt's \"just a cold\" unless it's a non-white person from another country carrying it.\n/s", ">\n\nChina implemented an ineffective vaccine and had 30m+ cases in one day. It’s specifically that gov. refusing to use effective vaccines", ">\n\nAnd the United States had effective vaccines that half the country is not willing to nor willing to wear masks, while complaining to other countries like China about their travel restrictions (from China and Hong Kong). And honestly I’m not oppose to a tighter restriction on China while they are experiencing a surge in new cases just as it did with any other countries that initially loosen covid restrictions, what makes me question this being race or politically motivated is the hypocrisy; people complained about China being oppressive when it was enforcing all the covid restrictions and when they loosen it “China doesn’t care about human lives”.\nSo what exactly do you want them to do?", ">\n\n\nto Require Negative Covid Tests for Travelers From China\n\nLuckily China is well known for its systemic unwillingness to fake or counterfeit things, so everything should be fine.\nhonest.", ">\n\nSeems purely retaliatory with no actual effectiveness.\nEnforcement is over a week away and presumably China has hit its peak already (flights being 40% positive)", ">\n\nThe rich rats are going to buy fake tests and jump ship breaking quarantine just like they did in the first wave. Cutting flights or enforcing quarantines is the only way to prevent this stuff from jumping oceans but god forbid anybody inhibit the jet setters.", ">\n\nHALF of the passengers on a plane from China going to Italy tested positive the other day (tested on arrival). Chances are most if not all of them had negative test results they could show that they took before they left. This won't do anything to stop people coming into the US while positive..we are going to have to go through this all over again and we won't have the same somewhat cooperative response in the US this time if it is a variant that evades immunity... It will get REALLY bad.", ">\n\nSeriously they know red states will just let them in and will never do another shut down again. So start dealt with out break countries this way to slow it down or corner it. But I see very very bad days ahead for China and Russia is starting to report out breaks too.", ">\n\nMust. When?", ">\n\nWe already require this from canada iirc\nEdit: i was wrong, canada requires it from us.", ">\n\nI hope we are talking PCR tests... those store-bought 15-minute ones struggle to get a positive if you have any sort of vaccination, even while symptomatic and miserable.", ">\n\nWell, a little bit of good news. I'll take it.", ">\n\nTravel should have been 100$ restricted a long time ago. Travel should be restricted to any country experiencing a COVID outbreak.", ">\n\nWonderful. Another round of Asian hating.", ">\n\nWho's hating on Asians? We're trying to stop this virus from killing people.", ">\n\nor… ban flights from china??", ">\n\nDoesn’t make sense in singling out China when covid is widespread in every single country", ">\n\nThe extent of covid in china atm is just absurd. Two weeks ago, they had 37 MILLION cases in one day. Think about that. Thats more people than a lot of countries! \nsource", ">\n\nI wonder why China has so much trouble with COVID compared to other countries, despite being so strict.", ">\n\nIt’s because they had the zero covid approaches that people are advocating for in this thread and they suddenly reversed course. Everyone in China is getting it so fast its likely the same variants quickly spreading in a population that suddenly reversed course. Having many people getting it over time and exposed to new generations of the virus (which is what happens over time) is more insidious but people here think thats fine", ">\n\nEveryone saying this is racist, do not pay attention to the world", ">\n\nIt was called racist and xenophobic when Trump did it. The left are hypocritical emotional wrecks.", ">\n\nnah trump was racist or did you forget he called it the “china virus” and subsequent hate crimes increased against adians", ">\n\nLet’s not change the subject. We’re talking about testing travelers from China here. Always trying to deflect.", ">\n\nIs that what he did, though? That and nothing else? This is a Fox News headline, but I bet there's a lot more to it. There usually is.\nFYI, Italy is also requiring testing of travelers from China at this time.\nBecause of the high number of cases in China at this time.", ">\n\nSo many dumb replies here. I am sad about where humankind is at.", ">\n\nRound two people", ">\n\nWe need to ramp up testing again at border.", ">\n\nChina trying to stop Covid…lol! Fail miserably at that, build a huge infected population, then unleash it on the world. Great job China /s", ">\n\nSell then the Moderna vaccine so they can treat themselves, ans end this debacle.", ">\n\nEven if US send Moderna and Phizer vaccine, China will not use it, because they boast about \"superior\" Chinese vaccine and don't want to lose face.\n​\nUntil they change their attitude, I suggest keeping restriction in place for PRC travelers.", ">\n\nOh definitely.", ">\n\nCCP exporting covid again.", ">\n\nPaywall - can anyone help me read the article? It sounds great in theory but why wait so long? That’s how this all started in 2020. Test now!", ">\n\nChina has been in quarantine until the protests. They have a very low of vaccinated people, so now everyone's breathing on each other's necks, squeezing in tight places and now introducing another pandemic. \nI believe a combination of everyone quarantined for too long and non vaccinated people are making this a very deadly spread.", ">\n\nTheir vaccination rate is not too bad, except among the elderly. But their vaccine was shit even before all the variants.\nThey've been trying to use lockdown to prevent spread and with the new variants that just won't work.\nSo yeah, they're pretty fucked.", ">\n\nVaccination rate is good, but the rate of people who are up to date on boosters is where they fall short even beyond just the elderly. It also doesn't help that the vaccine being used is overall less effective than the ones being used elsewhere like you said. Makes those booster shots many are lacking even more critical.", ">\n\nApparently Americans only get worried when it’s Chinese people spreading Covid as opposed to their own residents, citizens and Europeans.", ">\n\nseems xenophobic /s", ">\n\noh I'm sure conservatives will be very concerned about the \"freedoms\" of those travelers from China", ">\n\nHow's this going to work for the 75% of all our manufactured goods coming in from China?", ">\n\nThank God Biden is doing this if it was Trump they call him racist .", ">\n\nTrump admin did this and it was hailed as a great idea, because it was. And is.\nWho tf cares who the man or president is when it comes to health? Why are some people like this?", ">\n\nYou know that wasnt true.", ">\n\nWhy would they make a move that would indisputably send hundreds of thousands of infected into the wider world including those that may wind up being infected with a new variant or two? \nCan we at least conclude that China does not care about this possibility? Is that verboten to say?\nCan an axiomatically correct statement still result in a ban?", ">\n\nSounds kinda racist.", ">\n\nMakes absolute sense considering what's currently going on there. Canada should do the same. I'll even go as far as say suspend visas / entry from that part of the world temporarily, until they can get it under control", ">\n\nMakes sense. China is exploding with covid and who knows if/when the next bad variant develops there.", ">\n\nLmao Reddit enjoying their shut in lives so much I’d rather jump off the tallest bridge near me before going into lockdowns again.", ">\n\nXenophobia", ">\n\nXenophobic Biden", ">\n\nPeople are acting like Covid stopped spreading in the US… The US just decided to ignore it, that is until China gained more cases, and now it’s back to fear mongering Chinese people. I see that xenophobia is still alive and well in the US.", ">\n\nMy family and I caught covid during Thanksgiving after being careful for two years. Fortunately, we're all vaccinated so the symptoms didn't hit us too hard. We just got lax with being careful, but we'll probably be wearing our masks in crowded places just to be safe.", ">\n\nI never stopped wearing masks in the US while going to stores. The reality is we have had waves of Covid here in the US, and we have had different mutations of variants too.", ">\n\nThats racist. Biden should be ashamed of himself for allowing such bigotry and hatred towards our Chinese brethren.", ">\n\nThis applies to anyone traveling from China, not just the Chinese.", ">\n\nI wouldn’t think another country was rascist if the USA had a huge surge and temporarily suspended flights to:from the USA until the numbers came down.", ">\n\nSame biological warfare when westerners were entering into China in 2022?", ">\n\n50 Cent army, out in full force!", ">\n\nWhy are we letting anyone in from China?", ">\n\nCitizens and most permanent residents cannot be refused admission.", ">\n\nOh, here we go again.", ">\n\nKind of ironic seeing how the US has worse cases lmao", ">\n\nUS will keep up the bio attacks until the world complies with their foreign policy. Which is to keep China from becoming a threat to its hegemony", ">\n\nWeird how we can’t make our own citizens mask or test but we can make sure travelers from other places do \nWild how absolutely absurd the timeline we’re living in js", ">\n\nGood. We should not allow anyone from any country the opportunity to enter our country without proof.", ">\n\nIt’s not xenophobia, it’s (D)ifferent this time. Maybe if they let trump try this in the first place", ">\n\nThis just adds fuel to racist anti-Asian sentiment in the US. What about all the people on the plane with Chinese travelers who aren't Chinese? If the situation warrants testing of anyone, it warrants testing of everyone.", ">\n\nThis is just politics. Do we really want to pretend we don’t have an overwhelming amount of COVID cases right now in America? Everyone knows most people don’t test unless they’re very sick (which is rare now) and most who even do test use at home tests and don’t report the results. Can we really just not admit to ourselves as a nation that for the overwhelming majority of people COVID no longer poses a serious threat? Hospitalization, death and long COVID are statistically insignificant for healthy vaccinated individuals at this point I don’t see why anyone can see this as anymore than political posturing.", ">\n\nWelcome to the virtue signaling zone.", ">\n\nWell ??? Why wouldn't we check considering their outbreak is significant. Seriously was this a question ?", ">\n\nChina’s authoritarian regime locked down their country for years… this contained rhe virus until mass protests as well as international condemnations. So I believe Chinese govt is teaching their citizens a lesson. Let them roam free and allow international travel into the country. Let them get severely ill and die. Then they will acknowledge and apologize to the government. This type of reverse psychology isn’t new.", ">\n\nWe the People require a vigilant health care approach to our borders at the expense of [Pure Greed] from those who capitalize on what ails us\nWe the People demand all institutions do a readiness check \nAt which time We the People can demand a Meeting of the Continental Congress to address the state of our union, to reboot the principles and powers of the American Constitution and Bill of Rights, to re instate the neutral balance of power in the houses and senate of all levels of our current government[ one party control is not the operation of the United States of America 🇺🇸]", ">\n\nIf only we had this kind of foresight 3 years ago… we could have avoided this whole mess.", ">\n\nAnd Trump was called xenophobic when we asked for the same thing", ">\n\nExactly", ">\n\nWe should have another global 2020-tier lockdown period, imo. Work at home, way less flights active etc.", ">\n\nAnd millions of people, children, the most disadvantaged would die and suffer", ">\n\nI feel like they need to extend this restriction to all of Europe as well. It’s already spread outside of China.", ">\n\nSo I’m guessing it’s not racist now that Biden is doing it.", ">\n\nAgeeed", ">\n\nSome will get through. We may be in trouble.", ">\n\nIt's a racist policy. Why not ban people from Florida from traveling to the rest of the US? What's the difference?", ">\n\nThe scientific and medical community believe China is headed for another outbreak so this step is a must", ">\n\nCanadian here. I traveled from Toronto's Pearson International airport to the U S in November for Thanksgiving and the majority of travelers going through security were, I'd guess, Chinese carrying passports from that country, most not wearing masks. I don't really know if they were Canadian citizens or not but their passports definitely were not.", ">\n\nYet banning travel from China back in 2019-2020 was racist and xenophobic . No wonder the public has no confidence in the government.", ">\n\nI can’t believe the Biden admin actually went through this. They’re testing them just because they’re Chinese??? That is so racist smh", ">\n\nThis applies to anyone coming from China, not just Chinese citizens. It’s based on the ongoing outbreak, not their race.", ">\n\nWell it’s still racist to assume anyone from China is infected just because of where they’re coming from", ">\n\nIt’s not racist at all. “Coming from China” is not a race. They will test everyone on the plane regardless of demographics.", ">\n\nWhich is racist though. It’s the same thing Trump did by banning anyone coming from China. Why don’t they ban everyone coming from Japan? India? South Korea? Thailand? Etc? Why just the Chinese smh.", ">\n\nDamn that’s so racist #stopasianhate", ">\n\n2019 into 2020 all over again. \nAt least China has a strict ban on flights...\nOh", ">\n\nI don't think that's on China. I don't remember US banning any flights abroad during any of our surges?", ">\n\nI also don't remember the US being the origin of covid. \nChina has a special responsibility as a nation that fucked up and let covid grow out of control and escape its boundaries to not open up the export of viral vectors at the height of their crisis.\nCCP incompetence and mendacity has done enough already that they need to go above and beyond to keep shit as much as possible within their own borders.", ">\n\nThe fucks the point of that? They could be exposed, test negative and pop positive while they’re here or anywhere. Negative test doesn’t mean shit.", ">\n\nRayciss", ">\n\nThe government should require it for all airline passengers. Chinese travelers infected with COVID 19 are going to go to other countries too and some of those people will fly here. Likewise, there should be a requirement for all Americans going abroad so the U.S. doesn't spread COVID 19 to other countries.", ">\n\nChina the base screams, even democrats, the great enemy of this era. If England had a surge, nobody would be screaming for negative tests.", ">\n\nInconsiderate assholes", ">\n\nThat’s racist and anti Asian", ">\n\nHasn’t almost everyone in the US had it at this point? It’s like forbidding lighters in a forest that was recently burned down.", ">\n\nStop Asian Hate?", ">\n\nI feel that this is very anti Asian if it’s only for them.", ">\n\nThis is racism", ">\n\nIt’s prevention. There is a difference.", ">\n\nThere sure wasn't when Trump was president", ">\n\nThat's rich", ">\n\nMy man is getting ready to throat the fuck out that swab in the pic", ">\n\nfreedumb convoy assemble", ">\n\num no photo thanks" ]
> Yeah. They removed the restrictions because the citizens wanted freedom.
[ "People from China will travel through Europe and come in to America from the east coast like they did when the pandemic started. This will do nothing if all travelers aboard aren’t made to test.", ">\n\nLet's hope EU and other countries do the same.", ">\n\nI don't know if they will. Australia (for example) had some of the toughest Covid policies and they've essentially just thrown them all out the window.\nSo I don't know how willing countries are to go back to being overly concerned about Covid.", ">\n\nThey should be concerned w chinese, it's spreading like wildfire in china. If we aren't careful, they will come out w covid 20.", ">\n\nIt’s spreading everywhere including the USA. This policy has nothing to do with science or medicine. It’s just politics.", ">\n\nNo. It’s circulating like mad in a population of 1 billion people who haven’t been exposed before. This is how new variants come about. Every country should require negative Covid test for china at least until it cycles through the population", ">\n\n\nNo. It’s circulating like mad in a population of 1 billion people who haven’t been exposed before.\n\nIt's also spreading like mad in all the countries of the world including the USA.\n\nThis is how new variants come about. \n\nAnd they have been for years now.\n\nEvery country should require negative Covid test for china at least until it cycles through the population\n\nOnly for political reasons. There is no scientific or rational demand for this. \nI get it, you hate china, most americans hate china so just be honest and say what you really mean.", ">\n\nStrains are spreading in the west yes, but there are new strains in China that are spreading and we don't know if our vaccines will work with those strains. We know the Chinese vaccines have a low efficacy rate and we know they are not mRNA vaccines which allow for easier adaptation to new strains. Making travelers with a Chinese passport take Covid tests at any and all airports is not racist or even unfair - a reminder that China has been relatively hard to travel to for the last 2 years because they were locked down to foreign travel as well. This is simply good policy from a public health measure, and you not wanting to see that for what it is and instead attribute it to a nascent American hatred for China is laughable. the World Health Organization estimated close to 800 million new cases in China in the next few months, with another estimate 4 million deaths and countless new strains coming out during that period. This is about protection populations, not punishing China.", ">\n\n\nStrains are spreading in the west yes, but there are new strains in China that are spreading and we don't know if our vaccines will work with those strains.\n\nYou don't know if vaccines work against any new variant even if that variant is from a country populated with white people.\n\nWe know the Chinese vaccines have a low efficacy rate and we know they are not mRNA vaccines which allow for easier adaptation to new strains. \n\nThe vaccine doesn't adapt once inside of your body you know that right?\n\nMaking travelers with a Chinese passport take Covid tests at any and all airports is not racist or even unfair \n\nit's definitely unfair and probably racist as well.\n\nhis is simply good policy from a public health measure, a\n\nA good policy would be to require vaccinations from everybody. Think about it, you are requiring a vaccine that you said doesn't even work. How much sense does that make?\n\nattribute it to a nascent American hatred for China is laughable.\n\nNascent?\n\nThis is about protection populations, not punishing China.\n\nIt's definitely about punishing china, it's a part of the current cold war with China conducted by the USA.", ">\n\n\nYou don't know if vaccines work against any new variant even if that variant is from a country populated with white people.\n\nAll the more reason to not invite more new strains into the country. White population or otherwise has nothing to do with it, expected rise in cases in China does.\n\nThe vaccine doesn't adapt once inside of your body you know that right?\n\nYou missed the point. The point i was making was that the Chinese medical system has not even approached Covid with an mRNA vaccine, and steadfastly refused to license western vaccines. If the vaccine most readily available in China has a 50% efficacy then the population is at more risk of contracting the virus and having negative results. The infection rates are increased with each new case of BA.7 (China is currently seeing each covid patient infecting on average 18 other people represented as 1:18, whereas the in US the rate is 1:3.9). Each of these factors increases the risk of developing new strains that are vaccine resistant. \n\nit's definitely unfair and probably racist as well\n\nIs it your position that nations cannot take any prescriptive action to prevent the spread of infected persons from other countries? Again i would remind you that China has basically been locked down for the last 2 years, with severe limitations to personal freedoms themselves. This is not based on race, but rather a government's inability to contain a contagious outbreak in their own country and not wanting it to spread. \n\nA good policy would be to require vaccinations from everybody. Think about it, you are requiring a vaccine that you said doesn't even work. How much sense does that make?\n\nThat might be your definition on good policy, but it isn't mine and that isn't how the west does it. \"I\" am not requiring a vaccine that \"I\" said doesn't work - that was your suggestion not mine. Also, i said the efficacy of the Chinese vaccine is 50% - based on available information - i never said it didn't work, and i never said that it should be mandatory or required.\n\nNascent?\n\nPoor and wrong word choice on my part it seems. What i meant was ascribing the US decision to require testing of Chinese travelers to racism because you believe that the US is racist is laughable. Taking a test to prove that you are covid negative is far less onerous on a traveler than most visa requirements.\n\nIt's definitely about punishing china, it's a part of the current cold war with China conducted by the USA.\n\nCite your sources. I could point to many Chinese government policies that i could say are part of the current cold war with the US without backing it up and it would be just as credible as what you said. Opinion is not a source, and not proof. You assume that the US government is racist, that this policy is racist and yet we have had travel bans imposed on other countries, as well as testing required for travelers from other countries imposed before, and other policies and so has China. For goodness sake China has been closed to foreigners for almost 3 years, and is still closed to foreign travel until January 2023. Is that a racist policy as well?", ">\n\nHere we go again.\nThis time I think I'll learn French cooking.", ">\n\n5000 People a day will have to die before Anybody says the word Lock down in the States ever again.", ">\n\nDon’t understand why people can’t handle staying at home for two weeks when it could potentially eradicate a deadly virus. Are we that weak?", ">\n\nWe did that in large part in March 2020. And did China not spend years locking down their citizens? \nPeoples savings are gone. They need to work. \nWearing a mask would do a lot to help the issue but people aren’t willing to do that anymore.", ">\n\nWe didn't do that though. We didn't all lock down when we were supposed to. Where I work I had to go in from the very start all the way through. Most people, the majority of people, didn't stay home even if they didn't have work. Most people didn't fuck with masks or keeping a distance, and even people who weren't antivaccers didn't take the vaccine seriously for the longest time. \nWe had no fucking lock down, unless you were a well-off celebrity or comedian who wanted to talk about being locked down for content. \nIf people legit locked down, they would have taken a small hit financially, but too many people didn't do shit and prolonged everything.", ">\n\nThe things is that it doesn't take long to drain peoples saving - becuase the overwhelming majority of people have practically none. \nSo an extended lockdown was never feasible unless the government was willing to pay several trillion dollars of expenses, not just 2 or 3 times but several times over.", ">\n\nI didn't dispute any of what you said. I pointed out that most people actively contested any safety measure and most people didn't actually lock down. Any extension will almost certainly be the fault of most of those people. \nI'd gladly let them all die if it meant the few people who did take things seriously didn't have to live through a Walking Dead scenario or have to take a huge financial hit because them.", ">\n\nMost people did lock down just fine initially. After a few weeks turned into a month or more, yeah people got testy.\nAdditionally, a gigantic amount of people work in critical industries and simply cant stay home. Just keeping the lights and water on requires tens of millions of workers, plus industries like plants and refineries that simply cannot shut down without massive long-term consequences.\nReddit is full of office people who can WFH, the vast majority of people cant.", ">\n\nI was one of those who couldn't stay home. Right out of the gate most people gave up on almost all of it except when they were making a show of complying when they had to. There was a lot of cheating. I walk through a lot of different areas. The waves of patients and bodies we got at work tracked with that and became predictable.", ">\n\nWhat’s that saying that ends with ”…doomed to repeat it?”", ">\n\nWhy not just require a negative test from everyone?", ">\n\nWho would you expect to pay for that?", ">\n\nGovernments or sponsors from the private sector ideally, I honestly don’t give a fuck. I’ve gotten many free tests from both and I’ve also bought some for like $8.", ">\n\n“Here we go again” from everyone in the comments. \nThe virus never stopped, we did.", ">\n\nVirus will always be there. Permanent restrictions are unsustainable", ">\n\n3 years later...\nIs this permanent?", ">\n\nI doubt there's anything that would make Republicans running in 2024 happier then Democrats advocating for a return to COVID restrictions.", ">\n\nRight? It’d be like the democrats fighting for gun control, or gay and trans rights, or safe and legal abortions. It would be political suicide to stand for something that Republicans don’t like!", ">\n\nMy understanding is that everything you listed is broadly popular or has at least a majority of American's in favor of it. A return to COVID restrictions is not in that category.", ">\n\nGun control isn’t even universally loved amongst the American left, as the hard left needs them for protection from the hard right they clash with, and the middle left does like having their guns taken as much as any middle right wing does, only mid left likes it", ">\n\nGallup has 57% of Americans feeling that in general gun laws should be more strict.", ">\n\nRegular people want kids to stop dying while in school. The problem is \"stricter laws\" is vague and no one can agree on what it means or give a serious proposal that would work, short of confiscation and bans, which are wildly unpopular.", ">\n\nVague political talking points is the best we’re going to get. Much as I’d love a Ross Perot style of breaking down every platform and promise, the general public doesn’t go for it. Buzz words are all we have the attention span for.", ">\n\nChina's COVID-19 surge raises odds of new coronavirus variants\nThings could get very ugly.", ">\n\nYou say this like covid hasn't been spreading rampantly through literally every country on the planet, mostly without any measures to stop the spread. Why does China get a different treatment and maybe countries should require tests from the US or Inida or Europe?", ">\n\nI agree. US was primarily the culprit of why COVID went rampant to begin with. We actively refused to enforce any sort of safety measures, just a mild suggestion of \"maybe wear a mask, if you want to, it's ok if you don't\" and \"we have vaccines if you want one, no pressure tho\". That was really our response to the world's deadliest pandemic.", ">\n\nWe actively made fun of zero covid approaches on reddit and now based on the comments on this thread we are suddenly pro “zero covid” approaches", ">\n\nEveryone finally watched contagion", ">\n\nSo far my 2023 bingo card is reading alooot of skull and crossbones, I think I might actually win at something next year, what does your score card look like?", ">\n\nWhen’s that $1200 going to hit my account?", ">\n\nI’m still living off mine from last time!", ">\n\nI’m still looking for mine", ">\n\nI’m waiting for that $600 bucks from Biden still, but that’s going right into my retirement!", ">\n\nYou dont get he meant to include any money you already received as well /s", ">\n\nI seem to remember campaign ads with $2000 checks.", ">\n\nYep they explicitly mentioned $2,000 checks.", ">\n\nMy comment was sarcasm but in retrospect there are so many neoliberals saying that word for word in all seriousness that I should and will add a sarcasm tag", ">\n\nThat's nice and all, but let's not act like we're not just ignoring our own COVID problems.", ">\n\n\n\"You don't have zero tolerance anymore? We can't tolerate that.\"\n\n- Country with 100% tolerance", ">\n\nWhy not require a negative COVID test from everyone entering the country? It’s like they don’t want COVID to be under control.", ">\n\nI think this is because China has a relatively low vaccination rate because they relied on lock downs. Now that lock downs are being ramped down, they are having a huge surge.", ">\n\nThe vaccination rate in China is considerably higher than the US (92% vs 81%). This is just another example of yellow peril", ">\n\nThank you for pointing this out. What I said above was wrong about the vaccination rate. I don’t know why exactly China is having a surge. 🤷‍♂️", ">\n\nTheir vaccination rate is high but their vaccine, SinoVac is based on old tech. It conveys effectively zero protection from variants when compared to all the other types of vaccines on the market.", ">\n\nYou guys are so full of shit. At 3 doses Sinovac gives the same protection as any western vaccine with boosters to help mitigate mutated variants. Stop spreading misinfo.", ">\n\n\"Does that thumbnail of someone getting tested read too much like 'screaming uselessly into the void'?\"\n\"I'm sure it'll be fine.\"", ">\n\nMaybe, just maybe they shouldnt have stopped testing airplane passengers in the first place... \nWe have cheap, readily available tests that take 10 minutes to complete. There’s really no reason not to test ever passenger before boarding...", ">\n\nEveryone I know who had Omicron tested negative until their symptoms cleared. It was evading the RATs, for some reason.", ">\n\nI tested positive on a rapid test two days after getting congested. Every teacher coworker of mine who bothered to test after getting cold symptoms also did. I think it's why so few parents now test their kids before sending time to school sick. They don't want to know so we all find out when we or our family members then test positive, missing work on their sick kids' behalf so they didn't have to. \nI have also heard the rapid test can give false negatives but anecdotal references don't mean much.", ">\n\nA day late and a dollar short. Same old song and dance.", ">\n\nWow, it’s like history literally repeating itself.", ">\n\nIndeed it is. I hope everyone is prepared for what’s next.", ">\n\nWe should require negative COVID tests for people to fly within the US, too.\nIt makes no difference to me if the person who infects me at LAX is coming in from China, or from Texas.", ">\n\nThere is a high chance anyone that comes from China has Covid right now. Low chance that someone inside America has.", ">\n\nNaw. China’s percent is much higher, sure, but it’s not like US infection rates are low. You can pretty much guarantee an infected American on every sold out domestic flight. The latest variants are super, super contagious, and it only takes one infected person to pose a serious risk to the other people sharing their space, and then all of their families and friends after they land. All flights should still require testing and masking at this point, or all we’ve really accomplished is pacifying the dimwits and xenophobes.\nI know at least 3 people who 100% contracted COVID while flying domestically in the US this last month - because they were isolated for the incubation period beforehand. They were masked the entire time they were in the airport and on the plane.", ">\n\nIf they were masked up and I assume vaccinated and still caught the virus then preventable measures like these aren’t that effective.", ">\n\nIs there a new strain of Covid that isn't in the U.S yet, otherwise what's the point.", ">\n\nUm testing should not ever stop.", ">\n\nAh shit here we go again", ">\n\n\"Who left the fridge open?\"", ">\n\nIt's \"just a cold\" unless it's a non-white person from another country carrying it.\n/s", ">\n\nChina implemented an ineffective vaccine and had 30m+ cases in one day. It’s specifically that gov. refusing to use effective vaccines", ">\n\nAnd the United States had effective vaccines that half the country is not willing to nor willing to wear masks, while complaining to other countries like China about their travel restrictions (from China and Hong Kong). And honestly I’m not oppose to a tighter restriction on China while they are experiencing a surge in new cases just as it did with any other countries that initially loosen covid restrictions, what makes me question this being race or politically motivated is the hypocrisy; people complained about China being oppressive when it was enforcing all the covid restrictions and when they loosen it “China doesn’t care about human lives”.\nSo what exactly do you want them to do?", ">\n\n\nto Require Negative Covid Tests for Travelers From China\n\nLuckily China is well known for its systemic unwillingness to fake or counterfeit things, so everything should be fine.\nhonest.", ">\n\nSeems purely retaliatory with no actual effectiveness.\nEnforcement is over a week away and presumably China has hit its peak already (flights being 40% positive)", ">\n\nThe rich rats are going to buy fake tests and jump ship breaking quarantine just like they did in the first wave. Cutting flights or enforcing quarantines is the only way to prevent this stuff from jumping oceans but god forbid anybody inhibit the jet setters.", ">\n\nHALF of the passengers on a plane from China going to Italy tested positive the other day (tested on arrival). Chances are most if not all of them had negative test results they could show that they took before they left. This won't do anything to stop people coming into the US while positive..we are going to have to go through this all over again and we won't have the same somewhat cooperative response in the US this time if it is a variant that evades immunity... It will get REALLY bad.", ">\n\nSeriously they know red states will just let them in and will never do another shut down again. So start dealt with out break countries this way to slow it down or corner it. But I see very very bad days ahead for China and Russia is starting to report out breaks too.", ">\n\nMust. When?", ">\n\nWe already require this from canada iirc\nEdit: i was wrong, canada requires it from us.", ">\n\nI hope we are talking PCR tests... those store-bought 15-minute ones struggle to get a positive if you have any sort of vaccination, even while symptomatic and miserable.", ">\n\nWell, a little bit of good news. I'll take it.", ">\n\nTravel should have been 100$ restricted a long time ago. Travel should be restricted to any country experiencing a COVID outbreak.", ">\n\nWonderful. Another round of Asian hating.", ">\n\nWho's hating on Asians? We're trying to stop this virus from killing people.", ">\n\nor… ban flights from china??", ">\n\nDoesn’t make sense in singling out China when covid is widespread in every single country", ">\n\nThe extent of covid in china atm is just absurd. Two weeks ago, they had 37 MILLION cases in one day. Think about that. Thats more people than a lot of countries! \nsource", ">\n\nI wonder why China has so much trouble with COVID compared to other countries, despite being so strict.", ">\n\nIt’s because they had the zero covid approaches that people are advocating for in this thread and they suddenly reversed course. Everyone in China is getting it so fast its likely the same variants quickly spreading in a population that suddenly reversed course. Having many people getting it over time and exposed to new generations of the virus (which is what happens over time) is more insidious but people here think thats fine", ">\n\nEveryone saying this is racist, do not pay attention to the world", ">\n\nIt was called racist and xenophobic when Trump did it. The left are hypocritical emotional wrecks.", ">\n\nnah trump was racist or did you forget he called it the “china virus” and subsequent hate crimes increased against adians", ">\n\nLet’s not change the subject. We’re talking about testing travelers from China here. Always trying to deflect.", ">\n\nIs that what he did, though? That and nothing else? This is a Fox News headline, but I bet there's a lot more to it. There usually is.\nFYI, Italy is also requiring testing of travelers from China at this time.\nBecause of the high number of cases in China at this time.", ">\n\nSo many dumb replies here. I am sad about where humankind is at.", ">\n\nRound two people", ">\n\nWe need to ramp up testing again at border.", ">\n\nChina trying to stop Covid…lol! Fail miserably at that, build a huge infected population, then unleash it on the world. Great job China /s", ">\n\nSell then the Moderna vaccine so they can treat themselves, ans end this debacle.", ">\n\nEven if US send Moderna and Phizer vaccine, China will not use it, because they boast about \"superior\" Chinese vaccine and don't want to lose face.\n​\nUntil they change their attitude, I suggest keeping restriction in place for PRC travelers.", ">\n\nOh definitely.", ">\n\nCCP exporting covid again.", ">\n\nPaywall - can anyone help me read the article? It sounds great in theory but why wait so long? That’s how this all started in 2020. Test now!", ">\n\nChina has been in quarantine until the protests. They have a very low of vaccinated people, so now everyone's breathing on each other's necks, squeezing in tight places and now introducing another pandemic. \nI believe a combination of everyone quarantined for too long and non vaccinated people are making this a very deadly spread.", ">\n\nTheir vaccination rate is not too bad, except among the elderly. But their vaccine was shit even before all the variants.\nThey've been trying to use lockdown to prevent spread and with the new variants that just won't work.\nSo yeah, they're pretty fucked.", ">\n\nVaccination rate is good, but the rate of people who are up to date on boosters is where they fall short even beyond just the elderly. It also doesn't help that the vaccine being used is overall less effective than the ones being used elsewhere like you said. Makes those booster shots many are lacking even more critical.", ">\n\nApparently Americans only get worried when it’s Chinese people spreading Covid as opposed to their own residents, citizens and Europeans.", ">\n\nseems xenophobic /s", ">\n\noh I'm sure conservatives will be very concerned about the \"freedoms\" of those travelers from China", ">\n\nHow's this going to work for the 75% of all our manufactured goods coming in from China?", ">\n\nThank God Biden is doing this if it was Trump they call him racist .", ">\n\nTrump admin did this and it was hailed as a great idea, because it was. And is.\nWho tf cares who the man or president is when it comes to health? Why are some people like this?", ">\n\nYou know that wasnt true.", ">\n\nWhy would they make a move that would indisputably send hundreds of thousands of infected into the wider world including those that may wind up being infected with a new variant or two? \nCan we at least conclude that China does not care about this possibility? Is that verboten to say?\nCan an axiomatically correct statement still result in a ban?", ">\n\nSounds kinda racist.", ">\n\nMakes absolute sense considering what's currently going on there. Canada should do the same. I'll even go as far as say suspend visas / entry from that part of the world temporarily, until they can get it under control", ">\n\nMakes sense. China is exploding with covid and who knows if/when the next bad variant develops there.", ">\n\nLmao Reddit enjoying their shut in lives so much I’d rather jump off the tallest bridge near me before going into lockdowns again.", ">\n\nXenophobia", ">\n\nXenophobic Biden", ">\n\nPeople are acting like Covid stopped spreading in the US… The US just decided to ignore it, that is until China gained more cases, and now it’s back to fear mongering Chinese people. I see that xenophobia is still alive and well in the US.", ">\n\nMy family and I caught covid during Thanksgiving after being careful for two years. Fortunately, we're all vaccinated so the symptoms didn't hit us too hard. We just got lax with being careful, but we'll probably be wearing our masks in crowded places just to be safe.", ">\n\nI never stopped wearing masks in the US while going to stores. The reality is we have had waves of Covid here in the US, and we have had different mutations of variants too.", ">\n\nThats racist. Biden should be ashamed of himself for allowing such bigotry and hatred towards our Chinese brethren.", ">\n\nThis applies to anyone traveling from China, not just the Chinese.", ">\n\nI wouldn’t think another country was rascist if the USA had a huge surge and temporarily suspended flights to:from the USA until the numbers came down.", ">\n\nSame biological warfare when westerners were entering into China in 2022?", ">\n\n50 Cent army, out in full force!", ">\n\nWhy are we letting anyone in from China?", ">\n\nCitizens and most permanent residents cannot be refused admission.", ">\n\nOh, here we go again.", ">\n\nKind of ironic seeing how the US has worse cases lmao", ">\n\nUS will keep up the bio attacks until the world complies with their foreign policy. Which is to keep China from becoming a threat to its hegemony", ">\n\nWeird how we can’t make our own citizens mask or test but we can make sure travelers from other places do \nWild how absolutely absurd the timeline we’re living in js", ">\n\nGood. We should not allow anyone from any country the opportunity to enter our country without proof.", ">\n\nIt’s not xenophobia, it’s (D)ifferent this time. Maybe if they let trump try this in the first place", ">\n\nThis just adds fuel to racist anti-Asian sentiment in the US. What about all the people on the plane with Chinese travelers who aren't Chinese? If the situation warrants testing of anyone, it warrants testing of everyone.", ">\n\nThis is just politics. Do we really want to pretend we don’t have an overwhelming amount of COVID cases right now in America? Everyone knows most people don’t test unless they’re very sick (which is rare now) and most who even do test use at home tests and don’t report the results. Can we really just not admit to ourselves as a nation that for the overwhelming majority of people COVID no longer poses a serious threat? Hospitalization, death and long COVID are statistically insignificant for healthy vaccinated individuals at this point I don’t see why anyone can see this as anymore than political posturing.", ">\n\nWelcome to the virtue signaling zone.", ">\n\nWell ??? Why wouldn't we check considering their outbreak is significant. Seriously was this a question ?", ">\n\nChina’s authoritarian regime locked down their country for years… this contained rhe virus until mass protests as well as international condemnations. So I believe Chinese govt is teaching their citizens a lesson. Let them roam free and allow international travel into the country. Let them get severely ill and die. Then they will acknowledge and apologize to the government. This type of reverse psychology isn’t new.", ">\n\nWe the People require a vigilant health care approach to our borders at the expense of [Pure Greed] from those who capitalize on what ails us\nWe the People demand all institutions do a readiness check \nAt which time We the People can demand a Meeting of the Continental Congress to address the state of our union, to reboot the principles and powers of the American Constitution and Bill of Rights, to re instate the neutral balance of power in the houses and senate of all levels of our current government[ one party control is not the operation of the United States of America 🇺🇸]", ">\n\nIf only we had this kind of foresight 3 years ago… we could have avoided this whole mess.", ">\n\nAnd Trump was called xenophobic when we asked for the same thing", ">\n\nExactly", ">\n\nWe should have another global 2020-tier lockdown period, imo. Work at home, way less flights active etc.", ">\n\nAnd millions of people, children, the most disadvantaged would die and suffer", ">\n\nI feel like they need to extend this restriction to all of Europe as well. It’s already spread outside of China.", ">\n\nSo I’m guessing it’s not racist now that Biden is doing it.", ">\n\nAgeeed", ">\n\nSome will get through. We may be in trouble.", ">\n\nIt's a racist policy. Why not ban people from Florida from traveling to the rest of the US? What's the difference?", ">\n\nThe scientific and medical community believe China is headed for another outbreak so this step is a must", ">\n\nCanadian here. I traveled from Toronto's Pearson International airport to the U S in November for Thanksgiving and the majority of travelers going through security were, I'd guess, Chinese carrying passports from that country, most not wearing masks. I don't really know if they were Canadian citizens or not but their passports definitely were not.", ">\n\nYet banning travel from China back in 2019-2020 was racist and xenophobic . No wonder the public has no confidence in the government.", ">\n\nI can’t believe the Biden admin actually went through this. They’re testing them just because they’re Chinese??? That is so racist smh", ">\n\nThis applies to anyone coming from China, not just Chinese citizens. It’s based on the ongoing outbreak, not their race.", ">\n\nWell it’s still racist to assume anyone from China is infected just because of where they’re coming from", ">\n\nIt’s not racist at all. “Coming from China” is not a race. They will test everyone on the plane regardless of demographics.", ">\n\nWhich is racist though. It’s the same thing Trump did by banning anyone coming from China. Why don’t they ban everyone coming from Japan? India? South Korea? Thailand? Etc? Why just the Chinese smh.", ">\n\nDamn that’s so racist #stopasianhate", ">\n\n2019 into 2020 all over again. \nAt least China has a strict ban on flights...\nOh", ">\n\nI don't think that's on China. I don't remember US banning any flights abroad during any of our surges?", ">\n\nI also don't remember the US being the origin of covid. \nChina has a special responsibility as a nation that fucked up and let covid grow out of control and escape its boundaries to not open up the export of viral vectors at the height of their crisis.\nCCP incompetence and mendacity has done enough already that they need to go above and beyond to keep shit as much as possible within their own borders.", ">\n\nThe fucks the point of that? They could be exposed, test negative and pop positive while they’re here or anywhere. Negative test doesn’t mean shit.", ">\n\nRayciss", ">\n\nThe government should require it for all airline passengers. Chinese travelers infected with COVID 19 are going to go to other countries too and some of those people will fly here. Likewise, there should be a requirement for all Americans going abroad so the U.S. doesn't spread COVID 19 to other countries.", ">\n\nChina the base screams, even democrats, the great enemy of this era. If England had a surge, nobody would be screaming for negative tests.", ">\n\nInconsiderate assholes", ">\n\nThat’s racist and anti Asian", ">\n\nHasn’t almost everyone in the US had it at this point? It’s like forbidding lighters in a forest that was recently burned down.", ">\n\nStop Asian Hate?", ">\n\nI feel that this is very anti Asian if it’s only for them.", ">\n\nThis is racism", ">\n\nIt’s prevention. There is a difference.", ">\n\nThere sure wasn't when Trump was president", ">\n\nThat's rich", ">\n\nMy man is getting ready to throat the fuck out that swab in the pic", ">\n\nfreedumb convoy assemble", ">\n\num no photo thanks", ">\n\nTbf each Chinese citizen is considered a weapon lol pass on the XiFlu and CCP gets bodies on USA streets. \nSolution 4 weeks isolation for each citizen in any nation that they have to pay for regardless of the financial situation (if you have no money how do you expect to live…) then request all citizens to give up their devices so CCP can’t track them. \nFirst phone can be given to them without a credit check on the GOV" ]
> Super xenophobic of Biden.
[ "People from China will travel through Europe and come in to America from the east coast like they did when the pandemic started. This will do nothing if all travelers aboard aren’t made to test.", ">\n\nLet's hope EU and other countries do the same.", ">\n\nI don't know if they will. Australia (for example) had some of the toughest Covid policies and they've essentially just thrown them all out the window.\nSo I don't know how willing countries are to go back to being overly concerned about Covid.", ">\n\nThey should be concerned w chinese, it's spreading like wildfire in china. If we aren't careful, they will come out w covid 20.", ">\n\nIt’s spreading everywhere including the USA. This policy has nothing to do with science or medicine. It’s just politics.", ">\n\nNo. It’s circulating like mad in a population of 1 billion people who haven’t been exposed before. This is how new variants come about. Every country should require negative Covid test for china at least until it cycles through the population", ">\n\n\nNo. It’s circulating like mad in a population of 1 billion people who haven’t been exposed before.\n\nIt's also spreading like mad in all the countries of the world including the USA.\n\nThis is how new variants come about. \n\nAnd they have been for years now.\n\nEvery country should require negative Covid test for china at least until it cycles through the population\n\nOnly for political reasons. There is no scientific or rational demand for this. \nI get it, you hate china, most americans hate china so just be honest and say what you really mean.", ">\n\nStrains are spreading in the west yes, but there are new strains in China that are spreading and we don't know if our vaccines will work with those strains. We know the Chinese vaccines have a low efficacy rate and we know they are not mRNA vaccines which allow for easier adaptation to new strains. Making travelers with a Chinese passport take Covid tests at any and all airports is not racist or even unfair - a reminder that China has been relatively hard to travel to for the last 2 years because they were locked down to foreign travel as well. This is simply good policy from a public health measure, and you not wanting to see that for what it is and instead attribute it to a nascent American hatred for China is laughable. the World Health Organization estimated close to 800 million new cases in China in the next few months, with another estimate 4 million deaths and countless new strains coming out during that period. This is about protection populations, not punishing China.", ">\n\n\nStrains are spreading in the west yes, but there are new strains in China that are spreading and we don't know if our vaccines will work with those strains.\n\nYou don't know if vaccines work against any new variant even if that variant is from a country populated with white people.\n\nWe know the Chinese vaccines have a low efficacy rate and we know they are not mRNA vaccines which allow for easier adaptation to new strains. \n\nThe vaccine doesn't adapt once inside of your body you know that right?\n\nMaking travelers with a Chinese passport take Covid tests at any and all airports is not racist or even unfair \n\nit's definitely unfair and probably racist as well.\n\nhis is simply good policy from a public health measure, a\n\nA good policy would be to require vaccinations from everybody. Think about it, you are requiring a vaccine that you said doesn't even work. How much sense does that make?\n\nattribute it to a nascent American hatred for China is laughable.\n\nNascent?\n\nThis is about protection populations, not punishing China.\n\nIt's definitely about punishing china, it's a part of the current cold war with China conducted by the USA.", ">\n\n\nYou don't know if vaccines work against any new variant even if that variant is from a country populated with white people.\n\nAll the more reason to not invite more new strains into the country. White population or otherwise has nothing to do with it, expected rise in cases in China does.\n\nThe vaccine doesn't adapt once inside of your body you know that right?\n\nYou missed the point. The point i was making was that the Chinese medical system has not even approached Covid with an mRNA vaccine, and steadfastly refused to license western vaccines. If the vaccine most readily available in China has a 50% efficacy then the population is at more risk of contracting the virus and having negative results. The infection rates are increased with each new case of BA.7 (China is currently seeing each covid patient infecting on average 18 other people represented as 1:18, whereas the in US the rate is 1:3.9). Each of these factors increases the risk of developing new strains that are vaccine resistant. \n\nit's definitely unfair and probably racist as well\n\nIs it your position that nations cannot take any prescriptive action to prevent the spread of infected persons from other countries? Again i would remind you that China has basically been locked down for the last 2 years, with severe limitations to personal freedoms themselves. This is not based on race, but rather a government's inability to contain a contagious outbreak in their own country and not wanting it to spread. \n\nA good policy would be to require vaccinations from everybody. Think about it, you are requiring a vaccine that you said doesn't even work. How much sense does that make?\n\nThat might be your definition on good policy, but it isn't mine and that isn't how the west does it. \"I\" am not requiring a vaccine that \"I\" said doesn't work - that was your suggestion not mine. Also, i said the efficacy of the Chinese vaccine is 50% - based on available information - i never said it didn't work, and i never said that it should be mandatory or required.\n\nNascent?\n\nPoor and wrong word choice on my part it seems. What i meant was ascribing the US decision to require testing of Chinese travelers to racism because you believe that the US is racist is laughable. Taking a test to prove that you are covid negative is far less onerous on a traveler than most visa requirements.\n\nIt's definitely about punishing china, it's a part of the current cold war with China conducted by the USA.\n\nCite your sources. I could point to many Chinese government policies that i could say are part of the current cold war with the US without backing it up and it would be just as credible as what you said. Opinion is not a source, and not proof. You assume that the US government is racist, that this policy is racist and yet we have had travel bans imposed on other countries, as well as testing required for travelers from other countries imposed before, and other policies and so has China. For goodness sake China has been closed to foreigners for almost 3 years, and is still closed to foreign travel until January 2023. Is that a racist policy as well?", ">\n\nHere we go again.\nThis time I think I'll learn French cooking.", ">\n\n5000 People a day will have to die before Anybody says the word Lock down in the States ever again.", ">\n\nDon’t understand why people can’t handle staying at home for two weeks when it could potentially eradicate a deadly virus. Are we that weak?", ">\n\nWe did that in large part in March 2020. And did China not spend years locking down their citizens? \nPeoples savings are gone. They need to work. \nWearing a mask would do a lot to help the issue but people aren’t willing to do that anymore.", ">\n\nWe didn't do that though. We didn't all lock down when we were supposed to. Where I work I had to go in from the very start all the way through. Most people, the majority of people, didn't stay home even if they didn't have work. Most people didn't fuck with masks or keeping a distance, and even people who weren't antivaccers didn't take the vaccine seriously for the longest time. \nWe had no fucking lock down, unless you were a well-off celebrity or comedian who wanted to talk about being locked down for content. \nIf people legit locked down, they would have taken a small hit financially, but too many people didn't do shit and prolonged everything.", ">\n\nThe things is that it doesn't take long to drain peoples saving - becuase the overwhelming majority of people have practically none. \nSo an extended lockdown was never feasible unless the government was willing to pay several trillion dollars of expenses, not just 2 or 3 times but several times over.", ">\n\nI didn't dispute any of what you said. I pointed out that most people actively contested any safety measure and most people didn't actually lock down. Any extension will almost certainly be the fault of most of those people. \nI'd gladly let them all die if it meant the few people who did take things seriously didn't have to live through a Walking Dead scenario or have to take a huge financial hit because them.", ">\n\nMost people did lock down just fine initially. After a few weeks turned into a month or more, yeah people got testy.\nAdditionally, a gigantic amount of people work in critical industries and simply cant stay home. Just keeping the lights and water on requires tens of millions of workers, plus industries like plants and refineries that simply cannot shut down without massive long-term consequences.\nReddit is full of office people who can WFH, the vast majority of people cant.", ">\n\nI was one of those who couldn't stay home. Right out of the gate most people gave up on almost all of it except when they were making a show of complying when they had to. There was a lot of cheating. I walk through a lot of different areas. The waves of patients and bodies we got at work tracked with that and became predictable.", ">\n\nWhat’s that saying that ends with ”…doomed to repeat it?”", ">\n\nWhy not just require a negative test from everyone?", ">\n\nWho would you expect to pay for that?", ">\n\nGovernments or sponsors from the private sector ideally, I honestly don’t give a fuck. I’ve gotten many free tests from both and I’ve also bought some for like $8.", ">\n\n“Here we go again” from everyone in the comments. \nThe virus never stopped, we did.", ">\n\nVirus will always be there. Permanent restrictions are unsustainable", ">\n\n3 years later...\nIs this permanent?", ">\n\nI doubt there's anything that would make Republicans running in 2024 happier then Democrats advocating for a return to COVID restrictions.", ">\n\nRight? It’d be like the democrats fighting for gun control, or gay and trans rights, or safe and legal abortions. It would be political suicide to stand for something that Republicans don’t like!", ">\n\nMy understanding is that everything you listed is broadly popular or has at least a majority of American's in favor of it. A return to COVID restrictions is not in that category.", ">\n\nGun control isn’t even universally loved amongst the American left, as the hard left needs them for protection from the hard right they clash with, and the middle left does like having their guns taken as much as any middle right wing does, only mid left likes it", ">\n\nGallup has 57% of Americans feeling that in general gun laws should be more strict.", ">\n\nRegular people want kids to stop dying while in school. The problem is \"stricter laws\" is vague and no one can agree on what it means or give a serious proposal that would work, short of confiscation and bans, which are wildly unpopular.", ">\n\nVague political talking points is the best we’re going to get. Much as I’d love a Ross Perot style of breaking down every platform and promise, the general public doesn’t go for it. Buzz words are all we have the attention span for.", ">\n\nChina's COVID-19 surge raises odds of new coronavirus variants\nThings could get very ugly.", ">\n\nYou say this like covid hasn't been spreading rampantly through literally every country on the planet, mostly without any measures to stop the spread. Why does China get a different treatment and maybe countries should require tests from the US or Inida or Europe?", ">\n\nI agree. US was primarily the culprit of why COVID went rampant to begin with. We actively refused to enforce any sort of safety measures, just a mild suggestion of \"maybe wear a mask, if you want to, it's ok if you don't\" and \"we have vaccines if you want one, no pressure tho\". That was really our response to the world's deadliest pandemic.", ">\n\nWe actively made fun of zero covid approaches on reddit and now based on the comments on this thread we are suddenly pro “zero covid” approaches", ">\n\nEveryone finally watched contagion", ">\n\nSo far my 2023 bingo card is reading alooot of skull and crossbones, I think I might actually win at something next year, what does your score card look like?", ">\n\nWhen’s that $1200 going to hit my account?", ">\n\nI’m still living off mine from last time!", ">\n\nI’m still looking for mine", ">\n\nI’m waiting for that $600 bucks from Biden still, but that’s going right into my retirement!", ">\n\nYou dont get he meant to include any money you already received as well /s", ">\n\nI seem to remember campaign ads with $2000 checks.", ">\n\nYep they explicitly mentioned $2,000 checks.", ">\n\nMy comment was sarcasm but in retrospect there are so many neoliberals saying that word for word in all seriousness that I should and will add a sarcasm tag", ">\n\nThat's nice and all, but let's not act like we're not just ignoring our own COVID problems.", ">\n\n\n\"You don't have zero tolerance anymore? We can't tolerate that.\"\n\n- Country with 100% tolerance", ">\n\nWhy not require a negative COVID test from everyone entering the country? It’s like they don’t want COVID to be under control.", ">\n\nI think this is because China has a relatively low vaccination rate because they relied on lock downs. Now that lock downs are being ramped down, they are having a huge surge.", ">\n\nThe vaccination rate in China is considerably higher than the US (92% vs 81%). This is just another example of yellow peril", ">\n\nThank you for pointing this out. What I said above was wrong about the vaccination rate. I don’t know why exactly China is having a surge. 🤷‍♂️", ">\n\nTheir vaccination rate is high but their vaccine, SinoVac is based on old tech. It conveys effectively zero protection from variants when compared to all the other types of vaccines on the market.", ">\n\nYou guys are so full of shit. At 3 doses Sinovac gives the same protection as any western vaccine with boosters to help mitigate mutated variants. Stop spreading misinfo.", ">\n\n\"Does that thumbnail of someone getting tested read too much like 'screaming uselessly into the void'?\"\n\"I'm sure it'll be fine.\"", ">\n\nMaybe, just maybe they shouldnt have stopped testing airplane passengers in the first place... \nWe have cheap, readily available tests that take 10 minutes to complete. There’s really no reason not to test ever passenger before boarding...", ">\n\nEveryone I know who had Omicron tested negative until their symptoms cleared. It was evading the RATs, for some reason.", ">\n\nI tested positive on a rapid test two days after getting congested. Every teacher coworker of mine who bothered to test after getting cold symptoms also did. I think it's why so few parents now test their kids before sending time to school sick. They don't want to know so we all find out when we or our family members then test positive, missing work on their sick kids' behalf so they didn't have to. \nI have also heard the rapid test can give false negatives but anecdotal references don't mean much.", ">\n\nA day late and a dollar short. Same old song and dance.", ">\n\nWow, it’s like history literally repeating itself.", ">\n\nIndeed it is. I hope everyone is prepared for what’s next.", ">\n\nWe should require negative COVID tests for people to fly within the US, too.\nIt makes no difference to me if the person who infects me at LAX is coming in from China, or from Texas.", ">\n\nThere is a high chance anyone that comes from China has Covid right now. Low chance that someone inside America has.", ">\n\nNaw. China’s percent is much higher, sure, but it’s not like US infection rates are low. You can pretty much guarantee an infected American on every sold out domestic flight. The latest variants are super, super contagious, and it only takes one infected person to pose a serious risk to the other people sharing their space, and then all of their families and friends after they land. All flights should still require testing and masking at this point, or all we’ve really accomplished is pacifying the dimwits and xenophobes.\nI know at least 3 people who 100% contracted COVID while flying domestically in the US this last month - because they were isolated for the incubation period beforehand. They were masked the entire time they were in the airport and on the plane.", ">\n\nIf they were masked up and I assume vaccinated and still caught the virus then preventable measures like these aren’t that effective.", ">\n\nIs there a new strain of Covid that isn't in the U.S yet, otherwise what's the point.", ">\n\nUm testing should not ever stop.", ">\n\nAh shit here we go again", ">\n\n\"Who left the fridge open?\"", ">\n\nIt's \"just a cold\" unless it's a non-white person from another country carrying it.\n/s", ">\n\nChina implemented an ineffective vaccine and had 30m+ cases in one day. It’s specifically that gov. refusing to use effective vaccines", ">\n\nAnd the United States had effective vaccines that half the country is not willing to nor willing to wear masks, while complaining to other countries like China about their travel restrictions (from China and Hong Kong). And honestly I’m not oppose to a tighter restriction on China while they are experiencing a surge in new cases just as it did with any other countries that initially loosen covid restrictions, what makes me question this being race or politically motivated is the hypocrisy; people complained about China being oppressive when it was enforcing all the covid restrictions and when they loosen it “China doesn’t care about human lives”.\nSo what exactly do you want them to do?", ">\n\n\nto Require Negative Covid Tests for Travelers From China\n\nLuckily China is well known for its systemic unwillingness to fake or counterfeit things, so everything should be fine.\nhonest.", ">\n\nSeems purely retaliatory with no actual effectiveness.\nEnforcement is over a week away and presumably China has hit its peak already (flights being 40% positive)", ">\n\nThe rich rats are going to buy fake tests and jump ship breaking quarantine just like they did in the first wave. Cutting flights or enforcing quarantines is the only way to prevent this stuff from jumping oceans but god forbid anybody inhibit the jet setters.", ">\n\nHALF of the passengers on a plane from China going to Italy tested positive the other day (tested on arrival). Chances are most if not all of them had negative test results they could show that they took before they left. This won't do anything to stop people coming into the US while positive..we are going to have to go through this all over again and we won't have the same somewhat cooperative response in the US this time if it is a variant that evades immunity... It will get REALLY bad.", ">\n\nSeriously they know red states will just let them in and will never do another shut down again. So start dealt with out break countries this way to slow it down or corner it. But I see very very bad days ahead for China and Russia is starting to report out breaks too.", ">\n\nMust. When?", ">\n\nWe already require this from canada iirc\nEdit: i was wrong, canada requires it from us.", ">\n\nI hope we are talking PCR tests... those store-bought 15-minute ones struggle to get a positive if you have any sort of vaccination, even while symptomatic and miserable.", ">\n\nWell, a little bit of good news. I'll take it.", ">\n\nTravel should have been 100$ restricted a long time ago. Travel should be restricted to any country experiencing a COVID outbreak.", ">\n\nWonderful. Another round of Asian hating.", ">\n\nWho's hating on Asians? We're trying to stop this virus from killing people.", ">\n\nor… ban flights from china??", ">\n\nDoesn’t make sense in singling out China when covid is widespread in every single country", ">\n\nThe extent of covid in china atm is just absurd. Two weeks ago, they had 37 MILLION cases in one day. Think about that. Thats more people than a lot of countries! \nsource", ">\n\nI wonder why China has so much trouble with COVID compared to other countries, despite being so strict.", ">\n\nIt’s because they had the zero covid approaches that people are advocating for in this thread and they suddenly reversed course. Everyone in China is getting it so fast its likely the same variants quickly spreading in a population that suddenly reversed course. Having many people getting it over time and exposed to new generations of the virus (which is what happens over time) is more insidious but people here think thats fine", ">\n\nEveryone saying this is racist, do not pay attention to the world", ">\n\nIt was called racist and xenophobic when Trump did it. The left are hypocritical emotional wrecks.", ">\n\nnah trump was racist or did you forget he called it the “china virus” and subsequent hate crimes increased against adians", ">\n\nLet’s not change the subject. We’re talking about testing travelers from China here. Always trying to deflect.", ">\n\nIs that what he did, though? That and nothing else? This is a Fox News headline, but I bet there's a lot more to it. There usually is.\nFYI, Italy is also requiring testing of travelers from China at this time.\nBecause of the high number of cases in China at this time.", ">\n\nSo many dumb replies here. I am sad about where humankind is at.", ">\n\nRound two people", ">\n\nWe need to ramp up testing again at border.", ">\n\nChina trying to stop Covid…lol! Fail miserably at that, build a huge infected population, then unleash it on the world. Great job China /s", ">\n\nSell then the Moderna vaccine so they can treat themselves, ans end this debacle.", ">\n\nEven if US send Moderna and Phizer vaccine, China will not use it, because they boast about \"superior\" Chinese vaccine and don't want to lose face.\n​\nUntil they change their attitude, I suggest keeping restriction in place for PRC travelers.", ">\n\nOh definitely.", ">\n\nCCP exporting covid again.", ">\n\nPaywall - can anyone help me read the article? It sounds great in theory but why wait so long? That’s how this all started in 2020. Test now!", ">\n\nChina has been in quarantine until the protests. They have a very low of vaccinated people, so now everyone's breathing on each other's necks, squeezing in tight places and now introducing another pandemic. \nI believe a combination of everyone quarantined for too long and non vaccinated people are making this a very deadly spread.", ">\n\nTheir vaccination rate is not too bad, except among the elderly. But their vaccine was shit even before all the variants.\nThey've been trying to use lockdown to prevent spread and with the new variants that just won't work.\nSo yeah, they're pretty fucked.", ">\n\nVaccination rate is good, but the rate of people who are up to date on boosters is where they fall short even beyond just the elderly. It also doesn't help that the vaccine being used is overall less effective than the ones being used elsewhere like you said. Makes those booster shots many are lacking even more critical.", ">\n\nApparently Americans only get worried when it’s Chinese people spreading Covid as opposed to their own residents, citizens and Europeans.", ">\n\nseems xenophobic /s", ">\n\noh I'm sure conservatives will be very concerned about the \"freedoms\" of those travelers from China", ">\n\nHow's this going to work for the 75% of all our manufactured goods coming in from China?", ">\n\nThank God Biden is doing this if it was Trump they call him racist .", ">\n\nTrump admin did this and it was hailed as a great idea, because it was. And is.\nWho tf cares who the man or president is when it comes to health? Why are some people like this?", ">\n\nYou know that wasnt true.", ">\n\nWhy would they make a move that would indisputably send hundreds of thousands of infected into the wider world including those that may wind up being infected with a new variant or two? \nCan we at least conclude that China does not care about this possibility? Is that verboten to say?\nCan an axiomatically correct statement still result in a ban?", ">\n\nSounds kinda racist.", ">\n\nMakes absolute sense considering what's currently going on there. Canada should do the same. I'll even go as far as say suspend visas / entry from that part of the world temporarily, until they can get it under control", ">\n\nMakes sense. China is exploding with covid and who knows if/when the next bad variant develops there.", ">\n\nLmao Reddit enjoying their shut in lives so much I’d rather jump off the tallest bridge near me before going into lockdowns again.", ">\n\nXenophobia", ">\n\nXenophobic Biden", ">\n\nPeople are acting like Covid stopped spreading in the US… The US just decided to ignore it, that is until China gained more cases, and now it’s back to fear mongering Chinese people. I see that xenophobia is still alive and well in the US.", ">\n\nMy family and I caught covid during Thanksgiving after being careful for two years. Fortunately, we're all vaccinated so the symptoms didn't hit us too hard. We just got lax with being careful, but we'll probably be wearing our masks in crowded places just to be safe.", ">\n\nI never stopped wearing masks in the US while going to stores. The reality is we have had waves of Covid here in the US, and we have had different mutations of variants too.", ">\n\nThats racist. Biden should be ashamed of himself for allowing such bigotry and hatred towards our Chinese brethren.", ">\n\nThis applies to anyone traveling from China, not just the Chinese.", ">\n\nI wouldn’t think another country was rascist if the USA had a huge surge and temporarily suspended flights to:from the USA until the numbers came down.", ">\n\nSame biological warfare when westerners were entering into China in 2022?", ">\n\n50 Cent army, out in full force!", ">\n\nWhy are we letting anyone in from China?", ">\n\nCitizens and most permanent residents cannot be refused admission.", ">\n\nOh, here we go again.", ">\n\nKind of ironic seeing how the US has worse cases lmao", ">\n\nUS will keep up the bio attacks until the world complies with their foreign policy. Which is to keep China from becoming a threat to its hegemony", ">\n\nWeird how we can’t make our own citizens mask or test but we can make sure travelers from other places do \nWild how absolutely absurd the timeline we’re living in js", ">\n\nGood. We should not allow anyone from any country the opportunity to enter our country without proof.", ">\n\nIt’s not xenophobia, it’s (D)ifferent this time. Maybe if they let trump try this in the first place", ">\n\nThis just adds fuel to racist anti-Asian sentiment in the US. What about all the people on the plane with Chinese travelers who aren't Chinese? If the situation warrants testing of anyone, it warrants testing of everyone.", ">\n\nThis is just politics. Do we really want to pretend we don’t have an overwhelming amount of COVID cases right now in America? Everyone knows most people don’t test unless they’re very sick (which is rare now) and most who even do test use at home tests and don’t report the results. Can we really just not admit to ourselves as a nation that for the overwhelming majority of people COVID no longer poses a serious threat? Hospitalization, death and long COVID are statistically insignificant for healthy vaccinated individuals at this point I don’t see why anyone can see this as anymore than political posturing.", ">\n\nWelcome to the virtue signaling zone.", ">\n\nWell ??? Why wouldn't we check considering their outbreak is significant. Seriously was this a question ?", ">\n\nChina’s authoritarian regime locked down their country for years… this contained rhe virus until mass protests as well as international condemnations. So I believe Chinese govt is teaching their citizens a lesson. Let them roam free and allow international travel into the country. Let them get severely ill and die. Then they will acknowledge and apologize to the government. This type of reverse psychology isn’t new.", ">\n\nWe the People require a vigilant health care approach to our borders at the expense of [Pure Greed] from those who capitalize on what ails us\nWe the People demand all institutions do a readiness check \nAt which time We the People can demand a Meeting of the Continental Congress to address the state of our union, to reboot the principles and powers of the American Constitution and Bill of Rights, to re instate the neutral balance of power in the houses and senate of all levels of our current government[ one party control is not the operation of the United States of America 🇺🇸]", ">\n\nIf only we had this kind of foresight 3 years ago… we could have avoided this whole mess.", ">\n\nAnd Trump was called xenophobic when we asked for the same thing", ">\n\nExactly", ">\n\nWe should have another global 2020-tier lockdown period, imo. Work at home, way less flights active etc.", ">\n\nAnd millions of people, children, the most disadvantaged would die and suffer", ">\n\nI feel like they need to extend this restriction to all of Europe as well. It’s already spread outside of China.", ">\n\nSo I’m guessing it’s not racist now that Biden is doing it.", ">\n\nAgeeed", ">\n\nSome will get through. We may be in trouble.", ">\n\nIt's a racist policy. Why not ban people from Florida from traveling to the rest of the US? What's the difference?", ">\n\nThe scientific and medical community believe China is headed for another outbreak so this step is a must", ">\n\nCanadian here. I traveled from Toronto's Pearson International airport to the U S in November for Thanksgiving and the majority of travelers going through security were, I'd guess, Chinese carrying passports from that country, most not wearing masks. I don't really know if they were Canadian citizens or not but their passports definitely were not.", ">\n\nYet banning travel from China back in 2019-2020 was racist and xenophobic . No wonder the public has no confidence in the government.", ">\n\nI can’t believe the Biden admin actually went through this. They’re testing them just because they’re Chinese??? That is so racist smh", ">\n\nThis applies to anyone coming from China, not just Chinese citizens. It’s based on the ongoing outbreak, not their race.", ">\n\nWell it’s still racist to assume anyone from China is infected just because of where they’re coming from", ">\n\nIt’s not racist at all. “Coming from China” is not a race. They will test everyone on the plane regardless of demographics.", ">\n\nWhich is racist though. It’s the same thing Trump did by banning anyone coming from China. Why don’t they ban everyone coming from Japan? India? South Korea? Thailand? Etc? Why just the Chinese smh.", ">\n\nDamn that’s so racist #stopasianhate", ">\n\n2019 into 2020 all over again. \nAt least China has a strict ban on flights...\nOh", ">\n\nI don't think that's on China. I don't remember US banning any flights abroad during any of our surges?", ">\n\nI also don't remember the US being the origin of covid. \nChina has a special responsibility as a nation that fucked up and let covid grow out of control and escape its boundaries to not open up the export of viral vectors at the height of their crisis.\nCCP incompetence and mendacity has done enough already that they need to go above and beyond to keep shit as much as possible within their own borders.", ">\n\nThe fucks the point of that? They could be exposed, test negative and pop positive while they’re here or anywhere. Negative test doesn’t mean shit.", ">\n\nRayciss", ">\n\nThe government should require it for all airline passengers. Chinese travelers infected with COVID 19 are going to go to other countries too and some of those people will fly here. Likewise, there should be a requirement for all Americans going abroad so the U.S. doesn't spread COVID 19 to other countries.", ">\n\nChina the base screams, even democrats, the great enemy of this era. If England had a surge, nobody would be screaming for negative tests.", ">\n\nInconsiderate assholes", ">\n\nThat’s racist and anti Asian", ">\n\nHasn’t almost everyone in the US had it at this point? It’s like forbidding lighters in a forest that was recently burned down.", ">\n\nStop Asian Hate?", ">\n\nI feel that this is very anti Asian if it’s only for them.", ">\n\nThis is racism", ">\n\nIt’s prevention. There is a difference.", ">\n\nThere sure wasn't when Trump was president", ">\n\nThat's rich", ">\n\nMy man is getting ready to throat the fuck out that swab in the pic", ">\n\nfreedumb convoy assemble", ">\n\num no photo thanks", ">\n\nTbf each Chinese citizen is considered a weapon lol pass on the XiFlu and CCP gets bodies on USA streets. \nSolution 4 weeks isolation for each citizen in any nation that they have to pay for regardless of the financial situation (if you have no money how do you expect to live…) then request all citizens to give up their devices so CCP can’t track them. \nFirst phone can be given to them without a credit check on the GOV", ">\n\nYeah. They removed the restrictions because the citizens wanted freedom." ]
> That photo is foul lol
[ "People from China will travel through Europe and come in to America from the east coast like they did when the pandemic started. This will do nothing if all travelers aboard aren’t made to test.", ">\n\nLet's hope EU and other countries do the same.", ">\n\nI don't know if they will. Australia (for example) had some of the toughest Covid policies and they've essentially just thrown them all out the window.\nSo I don't know how willing countries are to go back to being overly concerned about Covid.", ">\n\nThey should be concerned w chinese, it's spreading like wildfire in china. If we aren't careful, they will come out w covid 20.", ">\n\nIt’s spreading everywhere including the USA. This policy has nothing to do with science or medicine. It’s just politics.", ">\n\nNo. It’s circulating like mad in a population of 1 billion people who haven’t been exposed before. This is how new variants come about. Every country should require negative Covid test for china at least until it cycles through the population", ">\n\n\nNo. It’s circulating like mad in a population of 1 billion people who haven’t been exposed before.\n\nIt's also spreading like mad in all the countries of the world including the USA.\n\nThis is how new variants come about. \n\nAnd they have been for years now.\n\nEvery country should require negative Covid test for china at least until it cycles through the population\n\nOnly for political reasons. There is no scientific or rational demand for this. \nI get it, you hate china, most americans hate china so just be honest and say what you really mean.", ">\n\nStrains are spreading in the west yes, but there are new strains in China that are spreading and we don't know if our vaccines will work with those strains. We know the Chinese vaccines have a low efficacy rate and we know they are not mRNA vaccines which allow for easier adaptation to new strains. Making travelers with a Chinese passport take Covid tests at any and all airports is not racist or even unfair - a reminder that China has been relatively hard to travel to for the last 2 years because they were locked down to foreign travel as well. This is simply good policy from a public health measure, and you not wanting to see that for what it is and instead attribute it to a nascent American hatred for China is laughable. the World Health Organization estimated close to 800 million new cases in China in the next few months, with another estimate 4 million deaths and countless new strains coming out during that period. This is about protection populations, not punishing China.", ">\n\n\nStrains are spreading in the west yes, but there are new strains in China that are spreading and we don't know if our vaccines will work with those strains.\n\nYou don't know if vaccines work against any new variant even if that variant is from a country populated with white people.\n\nWe know the Chinese vaccines have a low efficacy rate and we know they are not mRNA vaccines which allow for easier adaptation to new strains. \n\nThe vaccine doesn't adapt once inside of your body you know that right?\n\nMaking travelers with a Chinese passport take Covid tests at any and all airports is not racist or even unfair \n\nit's definitely unfair and probably racist as well.\n\nhis is simply good policy from a public health measure, a\n\nA good policy would be to require vaccinations from everybody. Think about it, you are requiring a vaccine that you said doesn't even work. How much sense does that make?\n\nattribute it to a nascent American hatred for China is laughable.\n\nNascent?\n\nThis is about protection populations, not punishing China.\n\nIt's definitely about punishing china, it's a part of the current cold war with China conducted by the USA.", ">\n\n\nYou don't know if vaccines work against any new variant even if that variant is from a country populated with white people.\n\nAll the more reason to not invite more new strains into the country. White population or otherwise has nothing to do with it, expected rise in cases in China does.\n\nThe vaccine doesn't adapt once inside of your body you know that right?\n\nYou missed the point. The point i was making was that the Chinese medical system has not even approached Covid with an mRNA vaccine, and steadfastly refused to license western vaccines. If the vaccine most readily available in China has a 50% efficacy then the population is at more risk of contracting the virus and having negative results. The infection rates are increased with each new case of BA.7 (China is currently seeing each covid patient infecting on average 18 other people represented as 1:18, whereas the in US the rate is 1:3.9). Each of these factors increases the risk of developing new strains that are vaccine resistant. \n\nit's definitely unfair and probably racist as well\n\nIs it your position that nations cannot take any prescriptive action to prevent the spread of infected persons from other countries? Again i would remind you that China has basically been locked down for the last 2 years, with severe limitations to personal freedoms themselves. This is not based on race, but rather a government's inability to contain a contagious outbreak in their own country and not wanting it to spread. \n\nA good policy would be to require vaccinations from everybody. Think about it, you are requiring a vaccine that you said doesn't even work. How much sense does that make?\n\nThat might be your definition on good policy, but it isn't mine and that isn't how the west does it. \"I\" am not requiring a vaccine that \"I\" said doesn't work - that was your suggestion not mine. Also, i said the efficacy of the Chinese vaccine is 50% - based on available information - i never said it didn't work, and i never said that it should be mandatory or required.\n\nNascent?\n\nPoor and wrong word choice on my part it seems. What i meant was ascribing the US decision to require testing of Chinese travelers to racism because you believe that the US is racist is laughable. Taking a test to prove that you are covid negative is far less onerous on a traveler than most visa requirements.\n\nIt's definitely about punishing china, it's a part of the current cold war with China conducted by the USA.\n\nCite your sources. I could point to many Chinese government policies that i could say are part of the current cold war with the US without backing it up and it would be just as credible as what you said. Opinion is not a source, and not proof. You assume that the US government is racist, that this policy is racist and yet we have had travel bans imposed on other countries, as well as testing required for travelers from other countries imposed before, and other policies and so has China. For goodness sake China has been closed to foreigners for almost 3 years, and is still closed to foreign travel until January 2023. Is that a racist policy as well?", ">\n\nHere we go again.\nThis time I think I'll learn French cooking.", ">\n\n5000 People a day will have to die before Anybody says the word Lock down in the States ever again.", ">\n\nDon’t understand why people can’t handle staying at home for two weeks when it could potentially eradicate a deadly virus. Are we that weak?", ">\n\nWe did that in large part in March 2020. And did China not spend years locking down their citizens? \nPeoples savings are gone. They need to work. \nWearing a mask would do a lot to help the issue but people aren’t willing to do that anymore.", ">\n\nWe didn't do that though. We didn't all lock down when we were supposed to. Where I work I had to go in from the very start all the way through. Most people, the majority of people, didn't stay home even if they didn't have work. Most people didn't fuck with masks or keeping a distance, and even people who weren't antivaccers didn't take the vaccine seriously for the longest time. \nWe had no fucking lock down, unless you were a well-off celebrity or comedian who wanted to talk about being locked down for content. \nIf people legit locked down, they would have taken a small hit financially, but too many people didn't do shit and prolonged everything.", ">\n\nThe things is that it doesn't take long to drain peoples saving - becuase the overwhelming majority of people have practically none. \nSo an extended lockdown was never feasible unless the government was willing to pay several trillion dollars of expenses, not just 2 or 3 times but several times over.", ">\n\nI didn't dispute any of what you said. I pointed out that most people actively contested any safety measure and most people didn't actually lock down. Any extension will almost certainly be the fault of most of those people. \nI'd gladly let them all die if it meant the few people who did take things seriously didn't have to live through a Walking Dead scenario or have to take a huge financial hit because them.", ">\n\nMost people did lock down just fine initially. After a few weeks turned into a month or more, yeah people got testy.\nAdditionally, a gigantic amount of people work in critical industries and simply cant stay home. Just keeping the lights and water on requires tens of millions of workers, plus industries like plants and refineries that simply cannot shut down without massive long-term consequences.\nReddit is full of office people who can WFH, the vast majority of people cant.", ">\n\nI was one of those who couldn't stay home. Right out of the gate most people gave up on almost all of it except when they were making a show of complying when they had to. There was a lot of cheating. I walk through a lot of different areas. The waves of patients and bodies we got at work tracked with that and became predictable.", ">\n\nWhat’s that saying that ends with ”…doomed to repeat it?”", ">\n\nWhy not just require a negative test from everyone?", ">\n\nWho would you expect to pay for that?", ">\n\nGovernments or sponsors from the private sector ideally, I honestly don’t give a fuck. I’ve gotten many free tests from both and I’ve also bought some for like $8.", ">\n\n“Here we go again” from everyone in the comments. \nThe virus never stopped, we did.", ">\n\nVirus will always be there. Permanent restrictions are unsustainable", ">\n\n3 years later...\nIs this permanent?", ">\n\nI doubt there's anything that would make Republicans running in 2024 happier then Democrats advocating for a return to COVID restrictions.", ">\n\nRight? It’d be like the democrats fighting for gun control, or gay and trans rights, or safe and legal abortions. It would be political suicide to stand for something that Republicans don’t like!", ">\n\nMy understanding is that everything you listed is broadly popular or has at least a majority of American's in favor of it. A return to COVID restrictions is not in that category.", ">\n\nGun control isn’t even universally loved amongst the American left, as the hard left needs them for protection from the hard right they clash with, and the middle left does like having their guns taken as much as any middle right wing does, only mid left likes it", ">\n\nGallup has 57% of Americans feeling that in general gun laws should be more strict.", ">\n\nRegular people want kids to stop dying while in school. The problem is \"stricter laws\" is vague and no one can agree on what it means or give a serious proposal that would work, short of confiscation and bans, which are wildly unpopular.", ">\n\nVague political talking points is the best we’re going to get. Much as I’d love a Ross Perot style of breaking down every platform and promise, the general public doesn’t go for it. Buzz words are all we have the attention span for.", ">\n\nChina's COVID-19 surge raises odds of new coronavirus variants\nThings could get very ugly.", ">\n\nYou say this like covid hasn't been spreading rampantly through literally every country on the planet, mostly without any measures to stop the spread. Why does China get a different treatment and maybe countries should require tests from the US or Inida or Europe?", ">\n\nI agree. US was primarily the culprit of why COVID went rampant to begin with. We actively refused to enforce any sort of safety measures, just a mild suggestion of \"maybe wear a mask, if you want to, it's ok if you don't\" and \"we have vaccines if you want one, no pressure tho\". That was really our response to the world's deadliest pandemic.", ">\n\nWe actively made fun of zero covid approaches on reddit and now based on the comments on this thread we are suddenly pro “zero covid” approaches", ">\n\nEveryone finally watched contagion", ">\n\nSo far my 2023 bingo card is reading alooot of skull and crossbones, I think I might actually win at something next year, what does your score card look like?", ">\n\nWhen’s that $1200 going to hit my account?", ">\n\nI’m still living off mine from last time!", ">\n\nI’m still looking for mine", ">\n\nI’m waiting for that $600 bucks from Biden still, but that’s going right into my retirement!", ">\n\nYou dont get he meant to include any money you already received as well /s", ">\n\nI seem to remember campaign ads with $2000 checks.", ">\n\nYep they explicitly mentioned $2,000 checks.", ">\n\nMy comment was sarcasm but in retrospect there are so many neoliberals saying that word for word in all seriousness that I should and will add a sarcasm tag", ">\n\nThat's nice and all, but let's not act like we're not just ignoring our own COVID problems.", ">\n\n\n\"You don't have zero tolerance anymore? We can't tolerate that.\"\n\n- Country with 100% tolerance", ">\n\nWhy not require a negative COVID test from everyone entering the country? It’s like they don’t want COVID to be under control.", ">\n\nI think this is because China has a relatively low vaccination rate because they relied on lock downs. Now that lock downs are being ramped down, they are having a huge surge.", ">\n\nThe vaccination rate in China is considerably higher than the US (92% vs 81%). This is just another example of yellow peril", ">\n\nThank you for pointing this out. What I said above was wrong about the vaccination rate. I don’t know why exactly China is having a surge. 🤷‍♂️", ">\n\nTheir vaccination rate is high but their vaccine, SinoVac is based on old tech. It conveys effectively zero protection from variants when compared to all the other types of vaccines on the market.", ">\n\nYou guys are so full of shit. At 3 doses Sinovac gives the same protection as any western vaccine with boosters to help mitigate mutated variants. Stop spreading misinfo.", ">\n\n\"Does that thumbnail of someone getting tested read too much like 'screaming uselessly into the void'?\"\n\"I'm sure it'll be fine.\"", ">\n\nMaybe, just maybe they shouldnt have stopped testing airplane passengers in the first place... \nWe have cheap, readily available tests that take 10 minutes to complete. There’s really no reason not to test ever passenger before boarding...", ">\n\nEveryone I know who had Omicron tested negative until their symptoms cleared. It was evading the RATs, for some reason.", ">\n\nI tested positive on a rapid test two days after getting congested. Every teacher coworker of mine who bothered to test after getting cold symptoms also did. I think it's why so few parents now test their kids before sending time to school sick. They don't want to know so we all find out when we or our family members then test positive, missing work on their sick kids' behalf so they didn't have to. \nI have also heard the rapid test can give false negatives but anecdotal references don't mean much.", ">\n\nA day late and a dollar short. Same old song and dance.", ">\n\nWow, it’s like history literally repeating itself.", ">\n\nIndeed it is. I hope everyone is prepared for what’s next.", ">\n\nWe should require negative COVID tests for people to fly within the US, too.\nIt makes no difference to me if the person who infects me at LAX is coming in from China, or from Texas.", ">\n\nThere is a high chance anyone that comes from China has Covid right now. Low chance that someone inside America has.", ">\n\nNaw. China’s percent is much higher, sure, but it’s not like US infection rates are low. You can pretty much guarantee an infected American on every sold out domestic flight. The latest variants are super, super contagious, and it only takes one infected person to pose a serious risk to the other people sharing their space, and then all of their families and friends after they land. All flights should still require testing and masking at this point, or all we’ve really accomplished is pacifying the dimwits and xenophobes.\nI know at least 3 people who 100% contracted COVID while flying domestically in the US this last month - because they were isolated for the incubation period beforehand. They were masked the entire time they were in the airport and on the plane.", ">\n\nIf they were masked up and I assume vaccinated and still caught the virus then preventable measures like these aren’t that effective.", ">\n\nIs there a new strain of Covid that isn't in the U.S yet, otherwise what's the point.", ">\n\nUm testing should not ever stop.", ">\n\nAh shit here we go again", ">\n\n\"Who left the fridge open?\"", ">\n\nIt's \"just a cold\" unless it's a non-white person from another country carrying it.\n/s", ">\n\nChina implemented an ineffective vaccine and had 30m+ cases in one day. It’s specifically that gov. refusing to use effective vaccines", ">\n\nAnd the United States had effective vaccines that half the country is not willing to nor willing to wear masks, while complaining to other countries like China about their travel restrictions (from China and Hong Kong). And honestly I’m not oppose to a tighter restriction on China while they are experiencing a surge in new cases just as it did with any other countries that initially loosen covid restrictions, what makes me question this being race or politically motivated is the hypocrisy; people complained about China being oppressive when it was enforcing all the covid restrictions and when they loosen it “China doesn’t care about human lives”.\nSo what exactly do you want them to do?", ">\n\n\nto Require Negative Covid Tests for Travelers From China\n\nLuckily China is well known for its systemic unwillingness to fake or counterfeit things, so everything should be fine.\nhonest.", ">\n\nSeems purely retaliatory with no actual effectiveness.\nEnforcement is over a week away and presumably China has hit its peak already (flights being 40% positive)", ">\n\nThe rich rats are going to buy fake tests and jump ship breaking quarantine just like they did in the first wave. Cutting flights or enforcing quarantines is the only way to prevent this stuff from jumping oceans but god forbid anybody inhibit the jet setters.", ">\n\nHALF of the passengers on a plane from China going to Italy tested positive the other day (tested on arrival). Chances are most if not all of them had negative test results they could show that they took before they left. This won't do anything to stop people coming into the US while positive..we are going to have to go through this all over again and we won't have the same somewhat cooperative response in the US this time if it is a variant that evades immunity... It will get REALLY bad.", ">\n\nSeriously they know red states will just let them in and will never do another shut down again. So start dealt with out break countries this way to slow it down or corner it. But I see very very bad days ahead for China and Russia is starting to report out breaks too.", ">\n\nMust. When?", ">\n\nWe already require this from canada iirc\nEdit: i was wrong, canada requires it from us.", ">\n\nI hope we are talking PCR tests... those store-bought 15-minute ones struggle to get a positive if you have any sort of vaccination, even while symptomatic and miserable.", ">\n\nWell, a little bit of good news. I'll take it.", ">\n\nTravel should have been 100$ restricted a long time ago. Travel should be restricted to any country experiencing a COVID outbreak.", ">\n\nWonderful. Another round of Asian hating.", ">\n\nWho's hating on Asians? We're trying to stop this virus from killing people.", ">\n\nor… ban flights from china??", ">\n\nDoesn’t make sense in singling out China when covid is widespread in every single country", ">\n\nThe extent of covid in china atm is just absurd. Two weeks ago, they had 37 MILLION cases in one day. Think about that. Thats more people than a lot of countries! \nsource", ">\n\nI wonder why China has so much trouble with COVID compared to other countries, despite being so strict.", ">\n\nIt’s because they had the zero covid approaches that people are advocating for in this thread and they suddenly reversed course. Everyone in China is getting it so fast its likely the same variants quickly spreading in a population that suddenly reversed course. Having many people getting it over time and exposed to new generations of the virus (which is what happens over time) is more insidious but people here think thats fine", ">\n\nEveryone saying this is racist, do not pay attention to the world", ">\n\nIt was called racist and xenophobic when Trump did it. The left are hypocritical emotional wrecks.", ">\n\nnah trump was racist or did you forget he called it the “china virus” and subsequent hate crimes increased against adians", ">\n\nLet’s not change the subject. We’re talking about testing travelers from China here. Always trying to deflect.", ">\n\nIs that what he did, though? That and nothing else? This is a Fox News headline, but I bet there's a lot more to it. There usually is.\nFYI, Italy is also requiring testing of travelers from China at this time.\nBecause of the high number of cases in China at this time.", ">\n\nSo many dumb replies here. I am sad about where humankind is at.", ">\n\nRound two people", ">\n\nWe need to ramp up testing again at border.", ">\n\nChina trying to stop Covid…lol! Fail miserably at that, build a huge infected population, then unleash it on the world. Great job China /s", ">\n\nSell then the Moderna vaccine so they can treat themselves, ans end this debacle.", ">\n\nEven if US send Moderna and Phizer vaccine, China will not use it, because they boast about \"superior\" Chinese vaccine and don't want to lose face.\n​\nUntil they change their attitude, I suggest keeping restriction in place for PRC travelers.", ">\n\nOh definitely.", ">\n\nCCP exporting covid again.", ">\n\nPaywall - can anyone help me read the article? It sounds great in theory but why wait so long? That’s how this all started in 2020. Test now!", ">\n\nChina has been in quarantine until the protests. They have a very low of vaccinated people, so now everyone's breathing on each other's necks, squeezing in tight places and now introducing another pandemic. \nI believe a combination of everyone quarantined for too long and non vaccinated people are making this a very deadly spread.", ">\n\nTheir vaccination rate is not too bad, except among the elderly. But their vaccine was shit even before all the variants.\nThey've been trying to use lockdown to prevent spread and with the new variants that just won't work.\nSo yeah, they're pretty fucked.", ">\n\nVaccination rate is good, but the rate of people who are up to date on boosters is where they fall short even beyond just the elderly. It also doesn't help that the vaccine being used is overall less effective than the ones being used elsewhere like you said. Makes those booster shots many are lacking even more critical.", ">\n\nApparently Americans only get worried when it’s Chinese people spreading Covid as opposed to their own residents, citizens and Europeans.", ">\n\nseems xenophobic /s", ">\n\noh I'm sure conservatives will be very concerned about the \"freedoms\" of those travelers from China", ">\n\nHow's this going to work for the 75% of all our manufactured goods coming in from China?", ">\n\nThank God Biden is doing this if it was Trump they call him racist .", ">\n\nTrump admin did this and it was hailed as a great idea, because it was. And is.\nWho tf cares who the man or president is when it comes to health? Why are some people like this?", ">\n\nYou know that wasnt true.", ">\n\nWhy would they make a move that would indisputably send hundreds of thousands of infected into the wider world including those that may wind up being infected with a new variant or two? \nCan we at least conclude that China does not care about this possibility? Is that verboten to say?\nCan an axiomatically correct statement still result in a ban?", ">\n\nSounds kinda racist.", ">\n\nMakes absolute sense considering what's currently going on there. Canada should do the same. I'll even go as far as say suspend visas / entry from that part of the world temporarily, until they can get it under control", ">\n\nMakes sense. China is exploding with covid and who knows if/when the next bad variant develops there.", ">\n\nLmao Reddit enjoying their shut in lives so much I’d rather jump off the tallest bridge near me before going into lockdowns again.", ">\n\nXenophobia", ">\n\nXenophobic Biden", ">\n\nPeople are acting like Covid stopped spreading in the US… The US just decided to ignore it, that is until China gained more cases, and now it’s back to fear mongering Chinese people. I see that xenophobia is still alive and well in the US.", ">\n\nMy family and I caught covid during Thanksgiving after being careful for two years. Fortunately, we're all vaccinated so the symptoms didn't hit us too hard. We just got lax with being careful, but we'll probably be wearing our masks in crowded places just to be safe.", ">\n\nI never stopped wearing masks in the US while going to stores. The reality is we have had waves of Covid here in the US, and we have had different mutations of variants too.", ">\n\nThats racist. Biden should be ashamed of himself for allowing such bigotry and hatred towards our Chinese brethren.", ">\n\nThis applies to anyone traveling from China, not just the Chinese.", ">\n\nI wouldn’t think another country was rascist if the USA had a huge surge and temporarily suspended flights to:from the USA until the numbers came down.", ">\n\nSame biological warfare when westerners were entering into China in 2022?", ">\n\n50 Cent army, out in full force!", ">\n\nWhy are we letting anyone in from China?", ">\n\nCitizens and most permanent residents cannot be refused admission.", ">\n\nOh, here we go again.", ">\n\nKind of ironic seeing how the US has worse cases lmao", ">\n\nUS will keep up the bio attacks until the world complies with their foreign policy. Which is to keep China from becoming a threat to its hegemony", ">\n\nWeird how we can’t make our own citizens mask or test but we can make sure travelers from other places do \nWild how absolutely absurd the timeline we’re living in js", ">\n\nGood. We should not allow anyone from any country the opportunity to enter our country without proof.", ">\n\nIt’s not xenophobia, it’s (D)ifferent this time. Maybe if they let trump try this in the first place", ">\n\nThis just adds fuel to racist anti-Asian sentiment in the US. What about all the people on the plane with Chinese travelers who aren't Chinese? If the situation warrants testing of anyone, it warrants testing of everyone.", ">\n\nThis is just politics. Do we really want to pretend we don’t have an overwhelming amount of COVID cases right now in America? Everyone knows most people don’t test unless they’re very sick (which is rare now) and most who even do test use at home tests and don’t report the results. Can we really just not admit to ourselves as a nation that for the overwhelming majority of people COVID no longer poses a serious threat? Hospitalization, death and long COVID are statistically insignificant for healthy vaccinated individuals at this point I don’t see why anyone can see this as anymore than political posturing.", ">\n\nWelcome to the virtue signaling zone.", ">\n\nWell ??? Why wouldn't we check considering their outbreak is significant. Seriously was this a question ?", ">\n\nChina’s authoritarian regime locked down their country for years… this contained rhe virus until mass protests as well as international condemnations. So I believe Chinese govt is teaching their citizens a lesson. Let them roam free and allow international travel into the country. Let them get severely ill and die. Then they will acknowledge and apologize to the government. This type of reverse psychology isn’t new.", ">\n\nWe the People require a vigilant health care approach to our borders at the expense of [Pure Greed] from those who capitalize on what ails us\nWe the People demand all institutions do a readiness check \nAt which time We the People can demand a Meeting of the Continental Congress to address the state of our union, to reboot the principles and powers of the American Constitution and Bill of Rights, to re instate the neutral balance of power in the houses and senate of all levels of our current government[ one party control is not the operation of the United States of America 🇺🇸]", ">\n\nIf only we had this kind of foresight 3 years ago… we could have avoided this whole mess.", ">\n\nAnd Trump was called xenophobic when we asked for the same thing", ">\n\nExactly", ">\n\nWe should have another global 2020-tier lockdown period, imo. Work at home, way less flights active etc.", ">\n\nAnd millions of people, children, the most disadvantaged would die and suffer", ">\n\nI feel like they need to extend this restriction to all of Europe as well. It’s already spread outside of China.", ">\n\nSo I’m guessing it’s not racist now that Biden is doing it.", ">\n\nAgeeed", ">\n\nSome will get through. We may be in trouble.", ">\n\nIt's a racist policy. Why not ban people from Florida from traveling to the rest of the US? What's the difference?", ">\n\nThe scientific and medical community believe China is headed for another outbreak so this step is a must", ">\n\nCanadian here. I traveled from Toronto's Pearson International airport to the U S in November for Thanksgiving and the majority of travelers going through security were, I'd guess, Chinese carrying passports from that country, most not wearing masks. I don't really know if they were Canadian citizens or not but their passports definitely were not.", ">\n\nYet banning travel from China back in 2019-2020 was racist and xenophobic . No wonder the public has no confidence in the government.", ">\n\nI can’t believe the Biden admin actually went through this. They’re testing them just because they’re Chinese??? That is so racist smh", ">\n\nThis applies to anyone coming from China, not just Chinese citizens. It’s based on the ongoing outbreak, not their race.", ">\n\nWell it’s still racist to assume anyone from China is infected just because of where they’re coming from", ">\n\nIt’s not racist at all. “Coming from China” is not a race. They will test everyone on the plane regardless of demographics.", ">\n\nWhich is racist though. It’s the same thing Trump did by banning anyone coming from China. Why don’t they ban everyone coming from Japan? India? South Korea? Thailand? Etc? Why just the Chinese smh.", ">\n\nDamn that’s so racist #stopasianhate", ">\n\n2019 into 2020 all over again. \nAt least China has a strict ban on flights...\nOh", ">\n\nI don't think that's on China. I don't remember US banning any flights abroad during any of our surges?", ">\n\nI also don't remember the US being the origin of covid. \nChina has a special responsibility as a nation that fucked up and let covid grow out of control and escape its boundaries to not open up the export of viral vectors at the height of their crisis.\nCCP incompetence and mendacity has done enough already that they need to go above and beyond to keep shit as much as possible within their own borders.", ">\n\nThe fucks the point of that? They could be exposed, test negative and pop positive while they’re here or anywhere. Negative test doesn’t mean shit.", ">\n\nRayciss", ">\n\nThe government should require it for all airline passengers. Chinese travelers infected with COVID 19 are going to go to other countries too and some of those people will fly here. Likewise, there should be a requirement for all Americans going abroad so the U.S. doesn't spread COVID 19 to other countries.", ">\n\nChina the base screams, even democrats, the great enemy of this era. If England had a surge, nobody would be screaming for negative tests.", ">\n\nInconsiderate assholes", ">\n\nThat’s racist and anti Asian", ">\n\nHasn’t almost everyone in the US had it at this point? It’s like forbidding lighters in a forest that was recently burned down.", ">\n\nStop Asian Hate?", ">\n\nI feel that this is very anti Asian if it’s only for them.", ">\n\nThis is racism", ">\n\nIt’s prevention. There is a difference.", ">\n\nThere sure wasn't when Trump was president", ">\n\nThat's rich", ">\n\nMy man is getting ready to throat the fuck out that swab in the pic", ">\n\nfreedumb convoy assemble", ">\n\num no photo thanks", ">\n\nTbf each Chinese citizen is considered a weapon lol pass on the XiFlu and CCP gets bodies on USA streets. \nSolution 4 weeks isolation for each citizen in any nation that they have to pay for regardless of the financial situation (if you have no money how do you expect to live…) then request all citizens to give up their devices so CCP can’t track them. \nFirst phone can be given to them without a credit check on the GOV", ">\n\nYeah. They removed the restrictions because the citizens wanted freedom.", ">\n\nSuper xenophobic of Biden." ]
> Throat swabs are in??? What about the nose?
[ "People from China will travel through Europe and come in to America from the east coast like they did when the pandemic started. This will do nothing if all travelers aboard aren’t made to test.", ">\n\nLet's hope EU and other countries do the same.", ">\n\nI don't know if they will. Australia (for example) had some of the toughest Covid policies and they've essentially just thrown them all out the window.\nSo I don't know how willing countries are to go back to being overly concerned about Covid.", ">\n\nThey should be concerned w chinese, it's spreading like wildfire in china. If we aren't careful, they will come out w covid 20.", ">\n\nIt’s spreading everywhere including the USA. This policy has nothing to do with science or medicine. It’s just politics.", ">\n\nNo. It’s circulating like mad in a population of 1 billion people who haven’t been exposed before. This is how new variants come about. Every country should require negative Covid test for china at least until it cycles through the population", ">\n\n\nNo. It’s circulating like mad in a population of 1 billion people who haven’t been exposed before.\n\nIt's also spreading like mad in all the countries of the world including the USA.\n\nThis is how new variants come about. \n\nAnd they have been for years now.\n\nEvery country should require negative Covid test for china at least until it cycles through the population\n\nOnly for political reasons. There is no scientific or rational demand for this. \nI get it, you hate china, most americans hate china so just be honest and say what you really mean.", ">\n\nStrains are spreading in the west yes, but there are new strains in China that are spreading and we don't know if our vaccines will work with those strains. We know the Chinese vaccines have a low efficacy rate and we know they are not mRNA vaccines which allow for easier adaptation to new strains. Making travelers with a Chinese passport take Covid tests at any and all airports is not racist or even unfair - a reminder that China has been relatively hard to travel to for the last 2 years because they were locked down to foreign travel as well. This is simply good policy from a public health measure, and you not wanting to see that for what it is and instead attribute it to a nascent American hatred for China is laughable. the World Health Organization estimated close to 800 million new cases in China in the next few months, with another estimate 4 million deaths and countless new strains coming out during that period. This is about protection populations, not punishing China.", ">\n\n\nStrains are spreading in the west yes, but there are new strains in China that are spreading and we don't know if our vaccines will work with those strains.\n\nYou don't know if vaccines work against any new variant even if that variant is from a country populated with white people.\n\nWe know the Chinese vaccines have a low efficacy rate and we know they are not mRNA vaccines which allow for easier adaptation to new strains. \n\nThe vaccine doesn't adapt once inside of your body you know that right?\n\nMaking travelers with a Chinese passport take Covid tests at any and all airports is not racist or even unfair \n\nit's definitely unfair and probably racist as well.\n\nhis is simply good policy from a public health measure, a\n\nA good policy would be to require vaccinations from everybody. Think about it, you are requiring a vaccine that you said doesn't even work. How much sense does that make?\n\nattribute it to a nascent American hatred for China is laughable.\n\nNascent?\n\nThis is about protection populations, not punishing China.\n\nIt's definitely about punishing china, it's a part of the current cold war with China conducted by the USA.", ">\n\n\nYou don't know if vaccines work against any new variant even if that variant is from a country populated with white people.\n\nAll the more reason to not invite more new strains into the country. White population or otherwise has nothing to do with it, expected rise in cases in China does.\n\nThe vaccine doesn't adapt once inside of your body you know that right?\n\nYou missed the point. The point i was making was that the Chinese medical system has not even approached Covid with an mRNA vaccine, and steadfastly refused to license western vaccines. If the vaccine most readily available in China has a 50% efficacy then the population is at more risk of contracting the virus and having negative results. The infection rates are increased with each new case of BA.7 (China is currently seeing each covid patient infecting on average 18 other people represented as 1:18, whereas the in US the rate is 1:3.9). Each of these factors increases the risk of developing new strains that are vaccine resistant. \n\nit's definitely unfair and probably racist as well\n\nIs it your position that nations cannot take any prescriptive action to prevent the spread of infected persons from other countries? Again i would remind you that China has basically been locked down for the last 2 years, with severe limitations to personal freedoms themselves. This is not based on race, but rather a government's inability to contain a contagious outbreak in their own country and not wanting it to spread. \n\nA good policy would be to require vaccinations from everybody. Think about it, you are requiring a vaccine that you said doesn't even work. How much sense does that make?\n\nThat might be your definition on good policy, but it isn't mine and that isn't how the west does it. \"I\" am not requiring a vaccine that \"I\" said doesn't work - that was your suggestion not mine. Also, i said the efficacy of the Chinese vaccine is 50% - based on available information - i never said it didn't work, and i never said that it should be mandatory or required.\n\nNascent?\n\nPoor and wrong word choice on my part it seems. What i meant was ascribing the US decision to require testing of Chinese travelers to racism because you believe that the US is racist is laughable. Taking a test to prove that you are covid negative is far less onerous on a traveler than most visa requirements.\n\nIt's definitely about punishing china, it's a part of the current cold war with China conducted by the USA.\n\nCite your sources. I could point to many Chinese government policies that i could say are part of the current cold war with the US without backing it up and it would be just as credible as what you said. Opinion is not a source, and not proof. You assume that the US government is racist, that this policy is racist and yet we have had travel bans imposed on other countries, as well as testing required for travelers from other countries imposed before, and other policies and so has China. For goodness sake China has been closed to foreigners for almost 3 years, and is still closed to foreign travel until January 2023. Is that a racist policy as well?", ">\n\nHere we go again.\nThis time I think I'll learn French cooking.", ">\n\n5000 People a day will have to die before Anybody says the word Lock down in the States ever again.", ">\n\nDon’t understand why people can’t handle staying at home for two weeks when it could potentially eradicate a deadly virus. Are we that weak?", ">\n\nWe did that in large part in March 2020. And did China not spend years locking down their citizens? \nPeoples savings are gone. They need to work. \nWearing a mask would do a lot to help the issue but people aren’t willing to do that anymore.", ">\n\nWe didn't do that though. We didn't all lock down when we were supposed to. Where I work I had to go in from the very start all the way through. Most people, the majority of people, didn't stay home even if they didn't have work. Most people didn't fuck with masks or keeping a distance, and even people who weren't antivaccers didn't take the vaccine seriously for the longest time. \nWe had no fucking lock down, unless you were a well-off celebrity or comedian who wanted to talk about being locked down for content. \nIf people legit locked down, they would have taken a small hit financially, but too many people didn't do shit and prolonged everything.", ">\n\nThe things is that it doesn't take long to drain peoples saving - becuase the overwhelming majority of people have practically none. \nSo an extended lockdown was never feasible unless the government was willing to pay several trillion dollars of expenses, not just 2 or 3 times but several times over.", ">\n\nI didn't dispute any of what you said. I pointed out that most people actively contested any safety measure and most people didn't actually lock down. Any extension will almost certainly be the fault of most of those people. \nI'd gladly let them all die if it meant the few people who did take things seriously didn't have to live through a Walking Dead scenario or have to take a huge financial hit because them.", ">\n\nMost people did lock down just fine initially. After a few weeks turned into a month or more, yeah people got testy.\nAdditionally, a gigantic amount of people work in critical industries and simply cant stay home. Just keeping the lights and water on requires tens of millions of workers, plus industries like plants and refineries that simply cannot shut down without massive long-term consequences.\nReddit is full of office people who can WFH, the vast majority of people cant.", ">\n\nI was one of those who couldn't stay home. Right out of the gate most people gave up on almost all of it except when they were making a show of complying when they had to. There was a lot of cheating. I walk through a lot of different areas. The waves of patients and bodies we got at work tracked with that and became predictable.", ">\n\nWhat’s that saying that ends with ”…doomed to repeat it?”", ">\n\nWhy not just require a negative test from everyone?", ">\n\nWho would you expect to pay for that?", ">\n\nGovernments or sponsors from the private sector ideally, I honestly don’t give a fuck. I’ve gotten many free tests from both and I’ve also bought some for like $8.", ">\n\n“Here we go again” from everyone in the comments. \nThe virus never stopped, we did.", ">\n\nVirus will always be there. Permanent restrictions are unsustainable", ">\n\n3 years later...\nIs this permanent?", ">\n\nI doubt there's anything that would make Republicans running in 2024 happier then Democrats advocating for a return to COVID restrictions.", ">\n\nRight? It’d be like the democrats fighting for gun control, or gay and trans rights, or safe and legal abortions. It would be political suicide to stand for something that Republicans don’t like!", ">\n\nMy understanding is that everything you listed is broadly popular or has at least a majority of American's in favor of it. A return to COVID restrictions is not in that category.", ">\n\nGun control isn’t even universally loved amongst the American left, as the hard left needs them for protection from the hard right they clash with, and the middle left does like having their guns taken as much as any middle right wing does, only mid left likes it", ">\n\nGallup has 57% of Americans feeling that in general gun laws should be more strict.", ">\n\nRegular people want kids to stop dying while in school. The problem is \"stricter laws\" is vague and no one can agree on what it means or give a serious proposal that would work, short of confiscation and bans, which are wildly unpopular.", ">\n\nVague political talking points is the best we’re going to get. Much as I’d love a Ross Perot style of breaking down every platform and promise, the general public doesn’t go for it. Buzz words are all we have the attention span for.", ">\n\nChina's COVID-19 surge raises odds of new coronavirus variants\nThings could get very ugly.", ">\n\nYou say this like covid hasn't been spreading rampantly through literally every country on the planet, mostly without any measures to stop the spread. Why does China get a different treatment and maybe countries should require tests from the US or Inida or Europe?", ">\n\nI agree. US was primarily the culprit of why COVID went rampant to begin with. We actively refused to enforce any sort of safety measures, just a mild suggestion of \"maybe wear a mask, if you want to, it's ok if you don't\" and \"we have vaccines if you want one, no pressure tho\". That was really our response to the world's deadliest pandemic.", ">\n\nWe actively made fun of zero covid approaches on reddit and now based on the comments on this thread we are suddenly pro “zero covid” approaches", ">\n\nEveryone finally watched contagion", ">\n\nSo far my 2023 bingo card is reading alooot of skull and crossbones, I think I might actually win at something next year, what does your score card look like?", ">\n\nWhen’s that $1200 going to hit my account?", ">\n\nI’m still living off mine from last time!", ">\n\nI’m still looking for mine", ">\n\nI’m waiting for that $600 bucks from Biden still, but that’s going right into my retirement!", ">\n\nYou dont get he meant to include any money you already received as well /s", ">\n\nI seem to remember campaign ads with $2000 checks.", ">\n\nYep they explicitly mentioned $2,000 checks.", ">\n\nMy comment was sarcasm but in retrospect there are so many neoliberals saying that word for word in all seriousness that I should and will add a sarcasm tag", ">\n\nThat's nice and all, but let's not act like we're not just ignoring our own COVID problems.", ">\n\n\n\"You don't have zero tolerance anymore? We can't tolerate that.\"\n\n- Country with 100% tolerance", ">\n\nWhy not require a negative COVID test from everyone entering the country? It’s like they don’t want COVID to be under control.", ">\n\nI think this is because China has a relatively low vaccination rate because they relied on lock downs. Now that lock downs are being ramped down, they are having a huge surge.", ">\n\nThe vaccination rate in China is considerably higher than the US (92% vs 81%). This is just another example of yellow peril", ">\n\nThank you for pointing this out. What I said above was wrong about the vaccination rate. I don’t know why exactly China is having a surge. 🤷‍♂️", ">\n\nTheir vaccination rate is high but their vaccine, SinoVac is based on old tech. It conveys effectively zero protection from variants when compared to all the other types of vaccines on the market.", ">\n\nYou guys are so full of shit. At 3 doses Sinovac gives the same protection as any western vaccine with boosters to help mitigate mutated variants. Stop spreading misinfo.", ">\n\n\"Does that thumbnail of someone getting tested read too much like 'screaming uselessly into the void'?\"\n\"I'm sure it'll be fine.\"", ">\n\nMaybe, just maybe they shouldnt have stopped testing airplane passengers in the first place... \nWe have cheap, readily available tests that take 10 minutes to complete. There’s really no reason not to test ever passenger before boarding...", ">\n\nEveryone I know who had Omicron tested negative until their symptoms cleared. It was evading the RATs, for some reason.", ">\n\nI tested positive on a rapid test two days after getting congested. Every teacher coworker of mine who bothered to test after getting cold symptoms also did. I think it's why so few parents now test their kids before sending time to school sick. They don't want to know so we all find out when we or our family members then test positive, missing work on their sick kids' behalf so they didn't have to. \nI have also heard the rapid test can give false negatives but anecdotal references don't mean much.", ">\n\nA day late and a dollar short. Same old song and dance.", ">\n\nWow, it’s like history literally repeating itself.", ">\n\nIndeed it is. I hope everyone is prepared for what’s next.", ">\n\nWe should require negative COVID tests for people to fly within the US, too.\nIt makes no difference to me if the person who infects me at LAX is coming in from China, or from Texas.", ">\n\nThere is a high chance anyone that comes from China has Covid right now. Low chance that someone inside America has.", ">\n\nNaw. China’s percent is much higher, sure, but it’s not like US infection rates are low. You can pretty much guarantee an infected American on every sold out domestic flight. The latest variants are super, super contagious, and it only takes one infected person to pose a serious risk to the other people sharing their space, and then all of their families and friends after they land. All flights should still require testing and masking at this point, or all we’ve really accomplished is pacifying the dimwits and xenophobes.\nI know at least 3 people who 100% contracted COVID while flying domestically in the US this last month - because they were isolated for the incubation period beforehand. They were masked the entire time they were in the airport and on the plane.", ">\n\nIf they were masked up and I assume vaccinated and still caught the virus then preventable measures like these aren’t that effective.", ">\n\nIs there a new strain of Covid that isn't in the U.S yet, otherwise what's the point.", ">\n\nUm testing should not ever stop.", ">\n\nAh shit here we go again", ">\n\n\"Who left the fridge open?\"", ">\n\nIt's \"just a cold\" unless it's a non-white person from another country carrying it.\n/s", ">\n\nChina implemented an ineffective vaccine and had 30m+ cases in one day. It’s specifically that gov. refusing to use effective vaccines", ">\n\nAnd the United States had effective vaccines that half the country is not willing to nor willing to wear masks, while complaining to other countries like China about their travel restrictions (from China and Hong Kong). And honestly I’m not oppose to a tighter restriction on China while they are experiencing a surge in new cases just as it did with any other countries that initially loosen covid restrictions, what makes me question this being race or politically motivated is the hypocrisy; people complained about China being oppressive when it was enforcing all the covid restrictions and when they loosen it “China doesn’t care about human lives”.\nSo what exactly do you want them to do?", ">\n\n\nto Require Negative Covid Tests for Travelers From China\n\nLuckily China is well known for its systemic unwillingness to fake or counterfeit things, so everything should be fine.\nhonest.", ">\n\nSeems purely retaliatory with no actual effectiveness.\nEnforcement is over a week away and presumably China has hit its peak already (flights being 40% positive)", ">\n\nThe rich rats are going to buy fake tests and jump ship breaking quarantine just like they did in the first wave. Cutting flights or enforcing quarantines is the only way to prevent this stuff from jumping oceans but god forbid anybody inhibit the jet setters.", ">\n\nHALF of the passengers on a plane from China going to Italy tested positive the other day (tested on arrival). Chances are most if not all of them had negative test results they could show that they took before they left. This won't do anything to stop people coming into the US while positive..we are going to have to go through this all over again and we won't have the same somewhat cooperative response in the US this time if it is a variant that evades immunity... It will get REALLY bad.", ">\n\nSeriously they know red states will just let them in and will never do another shut down again. So start dealt with out break countries this way to slow it down or corner it. But I see very very bad days ahead for China and Russia is starting to report out breaks too.", ">\n\nMust. When?", ">\n\nWe already require this from canada iirc\nEdit: i was wrong, canada requires it from us.", ">\n\nI hope we are talking PCR tests... those store-bought 15-minute ones struggle to get a positive if you have any sort of vaccination, even while symptomatic and miserable.", ">\n\nWell, a little bit of good news. I'll take it.", ">\n\nTravel should have been 100$ restricted a long time ago. Travel should be restricted to any country experiencing a COVID outbreak.", ">\n\nWonderful. Another round of Asian hating.", ">\n\nWho's hating on Asians? We're trying to stop this virus from killing people.", ">\n\nor… ban flights from china??", ">\n\nDoesn’t make sense in singling out China when covid is widespread in every single country", ">\n\nThe extent of covid in china atm is just absurd. Two weeks ago, they had 37 MILLION cases in one day. Think about that. Thats more people than a lot of countries! \nsource", ">\n\nI wonder why China has so much trouble with COVID compared to other countries, despite being so strict.", ">\n\nIt’s because they had the zero covid approaches that people are advocating for in this thread and they suddenly reversed course. Everyone in China is getting it so fast its likely the same variants quickly spreading in a population that suddenly reversed course. Having many people getting it over time and exposed to new generations of the virus (which is what happens over time) is more insidious but people here think thats fine", ">\n\nEveryone saying this is racist, do not pay attention to the world", ">\n\nIt was called racist and xenophobic when Trump did it. The left are hypocritical emotional wrecks.", ">\n\nnah trump was racist or did you forget he called it the “china virus” and subsequent hate crimes increased against adians", ">\n\nLet’s not change the subject. We’re talking about testing travelers from China here. Always trying to deflect.", ">\n\nIs that what he did, though? That and nothing else? This is a Fox News headline, but I bet there's a lot more to it. There usually is.\nFYI, Italy is also requiring testing of travelers from China at this time.\nBecause of the high number of cases in China at this time.", ">\n\nSo many dumb replies here. I am sad about where humankind is at.", ">\n\nRound two people", ">\n\nWe need to ramp up testing again at border.", ">\n\nChina trying to stop Covid…lol! Fail miserably at that, build a huge infected population, then unleash it on the world. Great job China /s", ">\n\nSell then the Moderna vaccine so they can treat themselves, ans end this debacle.", ">\n\nEven if US send Moderna and Phizer vaccine, China will not use it, because they boast about \"superior\" Chinese vaccine and don't want to lose face.\n​\nUntil they change their attitude, I suggest keeping restriction in place for PRC travelers.", ">\n\nOh definitely.", ">\n\nCCP exporting covid again.", ">\n\nPaywall - can anyone help me read the article? It sounds great in theory but why wait so long? That’s how this all started in 2020. Test now!", ">\n\nChina has been in quarantine until the protests. They have a very low of vaccinated people, so now everyone's breathing on each other's necks, squeezing in tight places and now introducing another pandemic. \nI believe a combination of everyone quarantined for too long and non vaccinated people are making this a very deadly spread.", ">\n\nTheir vaccination rate is not too bad, except among the elderly. But their vaccine was shit even before all the variants.\nThey've been trying to use lockdown to prevent spread and with the new variants that just won't work.\nSo yeah, they're pretty fucked.", ">\n\nVaccination rate is good, but the rate of people who are up to date on boosters is where they fall short even beyond just the elderly. It also doesn't help that the vaccine being used is overall less effective than the ones being used elsewhere like you said. Makes those booster shots many are lacking even more critical.", ">\n\nApparently Americans only get worried when it’s Chinese people spreading Covid as opposed to their own residents, citizens and Europeans.", ">\n\nseems xenophobic /s", ">\n\noh I'm sure conservatives will be very concerned about the \"freedoms\" of those travelers from China", ">\n\nHow's this going to work for the 75% of all our manufactured goods coming in from China?", ">\n\nThank God Biden is doing this if it was Trump they call him racist .", ">\n\nTrump admin did this and it was hailed as a great idea, because it was. And is.\nWho tf cares who the man or president is when it comes to health? Why are some people like this?", ">\n\nYou know that wasnt true.", ">\n\nWhy would they make a move that would indisputably send hundreds of thousands of infected into the wider world including those that may wind up being infected with a new variant or two? \nCan we at least conclude that China does not care about this possibility? Is that verboten to say?\nCan an axiomatically correct statement still result in a ban?", ">\n\nSounds kinda racist.", ">\n\nMakes absolute sense considering what's currently going on there. Canada should do the same. I'll even go as far as say suspend visas / entry from that part of the world temporarily, until they can get it under control", ">\n\nMakes sense. China is exploding with covid and who knows if/when the next bad variant develops there.", ">\n\nLmao Reddit enjoying their shut in lives so much I’d rather jump off the tallest bridge near me before going into lockdowns again.", ">\n\nXenophobia", ">\n\nXenophobic Biden", ">\n\nPeople are acting like Covid stopped spreading in the US… The US just decided to ignore it, that is until China gained more cases, and now it’s back to fear mongering Chinese people. I see that xenophobia is still alive and well in the US.", ">\n\nMy family and I caught covid during Thanksgiving after being careful for two years. Fortunately, we're all vaccinated so the symptoms didn't hit us too hard. We just got lax with being careful, but we'll probably be wearing our masks in crowded places just to be safe.", ">\n\nI never stopped wearing masks in the US while going to stores. The reality is we have had waves of Covid here in the US, and we have had different mutations of variants too.", ">\n\nThats racist. Biden should be ashamed of himself for allowing such bigotry and hatred towards our Chinese brethren.", ">\n\nThis applies to anyone traveling from China, not just the Chinese.", ">\n\nI wouldn’t think another country was rascist if the USA had a huge surge and temporarily suspended flights to:from the USA until the numbers came down.", ">\n\nSame biological warfare when westerners were entering into China in 2022?", ">\n\n50 Cent army, out in full force!", ">\n\nWhy are we letting anyone in from China?", ">\n\nCitizens and most permanent residents cannot be refused admission.", ">\n\nOh, here we go again.", ">\n\nKind of ironic seeing how the US has worse cases lmao", ">\n\nUS will keep up the bio attacks until the world complies with their foreign policy. Which is to keep China from becoming a threat to its hegemony", ">\n\nWeird how we can’t make our own citizens mask or test but we can make sure travelers from other places do \nWild how absolutely absurd the timeline we’re living in js", ">\n\nGood. We should not allow anyone from any country the opportunity to enter our country without proof.", ">\n\nIt’s not xenophobia, it’s (D)ifferent this time. Maybe if they let trump try this in the first place", ">\n\nThis just adds fuel to racist anti-Asian sentiment in the US. What about all the people on the plane with Chinese travelers who aren't Chinese? If the situation warrants testing of anyone, it warrants testing of everyone.", ">\n\nThis is just politics. Do we really want to pretend we don’t have an overwhelming amount of COVID cases right now in America? Everyone knows most people don’t test unless they’re very sick (which is rare now) and most who even do test use at home tests and don’t report the results. Can we really just not admit to ourselves as a nation that for the overwhelming majority of people COVID no longer poses a serious threat? Hospitalization, death and long COVID are statistically insignificant for healthy vaccinated individuals at this point I don’t see why anyone can see this as anymore than political posturing.", ">\n\nWelcome to the virtue signaling zone.", ">\n\nWell ??? Why wouldn't we check considering their outbreak is significant. Seriously was this a question ?", ">\n\nChina’s authoritarian regime locked down their country for years… this contained rhe virus until mass protests as well as international condemnations. So I believe Chinese govt is teaching their citizens a lesson. Let them roam free and allow international travel into the country. Let them get severely ill and die. Then they will acknowledge and apologize to the government. This type of reverse psychology isn’t new.", ">\n\nWe the People require a vigilant health care approach to our borders at the expense of [Pure Greed] from those who capitalize on what ails us\nWe the People demand all institutions do a readiness check \nAt which time We the People can demand a Meeting of the Continental Congress to address the state of our union, to reboot the principles and powers of the American Constitution and Bill of Rights, to re instate the neutral balance of power in the houses and senate of all levels of our current government[ one party control is not the operation of the United States of America 🇺🇸]", ">\n\nIf only we had this kind of foresight 3 years ago… we could have avoided this whole mess.", ">\n\nAnd Trump was called xenophobic when we asked for the same thing", ">\n\nExactly", ">\n\nWe should have another global 2020-tier lockdown period, imo. Work at home, way less flights active etc.", ">\n\nAnd millions of people, children, the most disadvantaged would die and suffer", ">\n\nI feel like they need to extend this restriction to all of Europe as well. It’s already spread outside of China.", ">\n\nSo I’m guessing it’s not racist now that Biden is doing it.", ">\n\nAgeeed", ">\n\nSome will get through. We may be in trouble.", ">\n\nIt's a racist policy. Why not ban people from Florida from traveling to the rest of the US? What's the difference?", ">\n\nThe scientific and medical community believe China is headed for another outbreak so this step is a must", ">\n\nCanadian here. I traveled from Toronto's Pearson International airport to the U S in November for Thanksgiving and the majority of travelers going through security were, I'd guess, Chinese carrying passports from that country, most not wearing masks. I don't really know if they were Canadian citizens or not but their passports definitely were not.", ">\n\nYet banning travel from China back in 2019-2020 was racist and xenophobic . No wonder the public has no confidence in the government.", ">\n\nI can’t believe the Biden admin actually went through this. They’re testing them just because they’re Chinese??? That is so racist smh", ">\n\nThis applies to anyone coming from China, not just Chinese citizens. It’s based on the ongoing outbreak, not their race.", ">\n\nWell it’s still racist to assume anyone from China is infected just because of where they’re coming from", ">\n\nIt’s not racist at all. “Coming from China” is not a race. They will test everyone on the plane regardless of demographics.", ">\n\nWhich is racist though. It’s the same thing Trump did by banning anyone coming from China. Why don’t they ban everyone coming from Japan? India? South Korea? Thailand? Etc? Why just the Chinese smh.", ">\n\nDamn that’s so racist #stopasianhate", ">\n\n2019 into 2020 all over again. \nAt least China has a strict ban on flights...\nOh", ">\n\nI don't think that's on China. I don't remember US banning any flights abroad during any of our surges?", ">\n\nI also don't remember the US being the origin of covid. \nChina has a special responsibility as a nation that fucked up and let covid grow out of control and escape its boundaries to not open up the export of viral vectors at the height of their crisis.\nCCP incompetence and mendacity has done enough already that they need to go above and beyond to keep shit as much as possible within their own borders.", ">\n\nThe fucks the point of that? They could be exposed, test negative and pop positive while they’re here or anywhere. Negative test doesn’t mean shit.", ">\n\nRayciss", ">\n\nThe government should require it for all airline passengers. Chinese travelers infected with COVID 19 are going to go to other countries too and some of those people will fly here. Likewise, there should be a requirement for all Americans going abroad so the U.S. doesn't spread COVID 19 to other countries.", ">\n\nChina the base screams, even democrats, the great enemy of this era. If England had a surge, nobody would be screaming for negative tests.", ">\n\nInconsiderate assholes", ">\n\nThat’s racist and anti Asian", ">\n\nHasn’t almost everyone in the US had it at this point? It’s like forbidding lighters in a forest that was recently burned down.", ">\n\nStop Asian Hate?", ">\n\nI feel that this is very anti Asian if it’s only for them.", ">\n\nThis is racism", ">\n\nIt’s prevention. There is a difference.", ">\n\nThere sure wasn't when Trump was president", ">\n\nThat's rich", ">\n\nMy man is getting ready to throat the fuck out that swab in the pic", ">\n\nfreedumb convoy assemble", ">\n\num no photo thanks", ">\n\nTbf each Chinese citizen is considered a weapon lol pass on the XiFlu and CCP gets bodies on USA streets. \nSolution 4 weeks isolation for each citizen in any nation that they have to pay for regardless of the financial situation (if you have no money how do you expect to live…) then request all citizens to give up their devices so CCP can’t track them. \nFirst phone can be given to them without a credit check on the GOV", ">\n\nYeah. They removed the restrictions because the citizens wanted freedom.", ">\n\nSuper xenophobic of Biden.", ">\n\nThat photo is foul lol" ]
> They swabbed his nose with it first, checking to see if he has a sense of taste left is step two.
[ "People from China will travel through Europe and come in to America from the east coast like they did when the pandemic started. This will do nothing if all travelers aboard aren’t made to test.", ">\n\nLet's hope EU and other countries do the same.", ">\n\nI don't know if they will. Australia (for example) had some of the toughest Covid policies and they've essentially just thrown them all out the window.\nSo I don't know how willing countries are to go back to being overly concerned about Covid.", ">\n\nThey should be concerned w chinese, it's spreading like wildfire in china. If we aren't careful, they will come out w covid 20.", ">\n\nIt’s spreading everywhere including the USA. This policy has nothing to do with science or medicine. It’s just politics.", ">\n\nNo. It’s circulating like mad in a population of 1 billion people who haven’t been exposed before. This is how new variants come about. Every country should require negative Covid test for china at least until it cycles through the population", ">\n\n\nNo. It’s circulating like mad in a population of 1 billion people who haven’t been exposed before.\n\nIt's also spreading like mad in all the countries of the world including the USA.\n\nThis is how new variants come about. \n\nAnd they have been for years now.\n\nEvery country should require negative Covid test for china at least until it cycles through the population\n\nOnly for political reasons. There is no scientific or rational demand for this. \nI get it, you hate china, most americans hate china so just be honest and say what you really mean.", ">\n\nStrains are spreading in the west yes, but there are new strains in China that are spreading and we don't know if our vaccines will work with those strains. We know the Chinese vaccines have a low efficacy rate and we know they are not mRNA vaccines which allow for easier adaptation to new strains. Making travelers with a Chinese passport take Covid tests at any and all airports is not racist or even unfair - a reminder that China has been relatively hard to travel to for the last 2 years because they were locked down to foreign travel as well. This is simply good policy from a public health measure, and you not wanting to see that for what it is and instead attribute it to a nascent American hatred for China is laughable. the World Health Organization estimated close to 800 million new cases in China in the next few months, with another estimate 4 million deaths and countless new strains coming out during that period. This is about protection populations, not punishing China.", ">\n\n\nStrains are spreading in the west yes, but there are new strains in China that are spreading and we don't know if our vaccines will work with those strains.\n\nYou don't know if vaccines work against any new variant even if that variant is from a country populated with white people.\n\nWe know the Chinese vaccines have a low efficacy rate and we know they are not mRNA vaccines which allow for easier adaptation to new strains. \n\nThe vaccine doesn't adapt once inside of your body you know that right?\n\nMaking travelers with a Chinese passport take Covid tests at any and all airports is not racist or even unfair \n\nit's definitely unfair and probably racist as well.\n\nhis is simply good policy from a public health measure, a\n\nA good policy would be to require vaccinations from everybody. Think about it, you are requiring a vaccine that you said doesn't even work. How much sense does that make?\n\nattribute it to a nascent American hatred for China is laughable.\n\nNascent?\n\nThis is about protection populations, not punishing China.\n\nIt's definitely about punishing china, it's a part of the current cold war with China conducted by the USA.", ">\n\n\nYou don't know if vaccines work against any new variant even if that variant is from a country populated with white people.\n\nAll the more reason to not invite more new strains into the country. White population or otherwise has nothing to do with it, expected rise in cases in China does.\n\nThe vaccine doesn't adapt once inside of your body you know that right?\n\nYou missed the point. The point i was making was that the Chinese medical system has not even approached Covid with an mRNA vaccine, and steadfastly refused to license western vaccines. If the vaccine most readily available in China has a 50% efficacy then the population is at more risk of contracting the virus and having negative results. The infection rates are increased with each new case of BA.7 (China is currently seeing each covid patient infecting on average 18 other people represented as 1:18, whereas the in US the rate is 1:3.9). Each of these factors increases the risk of developing new strains that are vaccine resistant. \n\nit's definitely unfair and probably racist as well\n\nIs it your position that nations cannot take any prescriptive action to prevent the spread of infected persons from other countries? Again i would remind you that China has basically been locked down for the last 2 years, with severe limitations to personal freedoms themselves. This is not based on race, but rather a government's inability to contain a contagious outbreak in their own country and not wanting it to spread. \n\nA good policy would be to require vaccinations from everybody. Think about it, you are requiring a vaccine that you said doesn't even work. How much sense does that make?\n\nThat might be your definition on good policy, but it isn't mine and that isn't how the west does it. \"I\" am not requiring a vaccine that \"I\" said doesn't work - that was your suggestion not mine. Also, i said the efficacy of the Chinese vaccine is 50% - based on available information - i never said it didn't work, and i never said that it should be mandatory or required.\n\nNascent?\n\nPoor and wrong word choice on my part it seems. What i meant was ascribing the US decision to require testing of Chinese travelers to racism because you believe that the US is racist is laughable. Taking a test to prove that you are covid negative is far less onerous on a traveler than most visa requirements.\n\nIt's definitely about punishing china, it's a part of the current cold war with China conducted by the USA.\n\nCite your sources. I could point to many Chinese government policies that i could say are part of the current cold war with the US without backing it up and it would be just as credible as what you said. Opinion is not a source, and not proof. You assume that the US government is racist, that this policy is racist and yet we have had travel bans imposed on other countries, as well as testing required for travelers from other countries imposed before, and other policies and so has China. For goodness sake China has been closed to foreigners for almost 3 years, and is still closed to foreign travel until January 2023. Is that a racist policy as well?", ">\n\nHere we go again.\nThis time I think I'll learn French cooking.", ">\n\n5000 People a day will have to die before Anybody says the word Lock down in the States ever again.", ">\n\nDon’t understand why people can’t handle staying at home for two weeks when it could potentially eradicate a deadly virus. Are we that weak?", ">\n\nWe did that in large part in March 2020. And did China not spend years locking down their citizens? \nPeoples savings are gone. They need to work. \nWearing a mask would do a lot to help the issue but people aren’t willing to do that anymore.", ">\n\nWe didn't do that though. We didn't all lock down when we were supposed to. Where I work I had to go in from the very start all the way through. Most people, the majority of people, didn't stay home even if they didn't have work. Most people didn't fuck with masks or keeping a distance, and even people who weren't antivaccers didn't take the vaccine seriously for the longest time. \nWe had no fucking lock down, unless you were a well-off celebrity or comedian who wanted to talk about being locked down for content. \nIf people legit locked down, they would have taken a small hit financially, but too many people didn't do shit and prolonged everything.", ">\n\nThe things is that it doesn't take long to drain peoples saving - becuase the overwhelming majority of people have practically none. \nSo an extended lockdown was never feasible unless the government was willing to pay several trillion dollars of expenses, not just 2 or 3 times but several times over.", ">\n\nI didn't dispute any of what you said. I pointed out that most people actively contested any safety measure and most people didn't actually lock down. Any extension will almost certainly be the fault of most of those people. \nI'd gladly let them all die if it meant the few people who did take things seriously didn't have to live through a Walking Dead scenario or have to take a huge financial hit because them.", ">\n\nMost people did lock down just fine initially. After a few weeks turned into a month or more, yeah people got testy.\nAdditionally, a gigantic amount of people work in critical industries and simply cant stay home. Just keeping the lights and water on requires tens of millions of workers, plus industries like plants and refineries that simply cannot shut down without massive long-term consequences.\nReddit is full of office people who can WFH, the vast majority of people cant.", ">\n\nI was one of those who couldn't stay home. Right out of the gate most people gave up on almost all of it except when they were making a show of complying when they had to. There was a lot of cheating. I walk through a lot of different areas. The waves of patients and bodies we got at work tracked with that and became predictable.", ">\n\nWhat’s that saying that ends with ”…doomed to repeat it?”", ">\n\nWhy not just require a negative test from everyone?", ">\n\nWho would you expect to pay for that?", ">\n\nGovernments or sponsors from the private sector ideally, I honestly don’t give a fuck. I’ve gotten many free tests from both and I’ve also bought some for like $8.", ">\n\n“Here we go again” from everyone in the comments. \nThe virus never stopped, we did.", ">\n\nVirus will always be there. Permanent restrictions are unsustainable", ">\n\n3 years later...\nIs this permanent?", ">\n\nI doubt there's anything that would make Republicans running in 2024 happier then Democrats advocating for a return to COVID restrictions.", ">\n\nRight? It’d be like the democrats fighting for gun control, or gay and trans rights, or safe and legal abortions. It would be political suicide to stand for something that Republicans don’t like!", ">\n\nMy understanding is that everything you listed is broadly popular or has at least a majority of American's in favor of it. A return to COVID restrictions is not in that category.", ">\n\nGun control isn’t even universally loved amongst the American left, as the hard left needs them for protection from the hard right they clash with, and the middle left does like having their guns taken as much as any middle right wing does, only mid left likes it", ">\n\nGallup has 57% of Americans feeling that in general gun laws should be more strict.", ">\n\nRegular people want kids to stop dying while in school. The problem is \"stricter laws\" is vague and no one can agree on what it means or give a serious proposal that would work, short of confiscation and bans, which are wildly unpopular.", ">\n\nVague political talking points is the best we’re going to get. Much as I’d love a Ross Perot style of breaking down every platform and promise, the general public doesn’t go for it. Buzz words are all we have the attention span for.", ">\n\nChina's COVID-19 surge raises odds of new coronavirus variants\nThings could get very ugly.", ">\n\nYou say this like covid hasn't been spreading rampantly through literally every country on the planet, mostly without any measures to stop the spread. Why does China get a different treatment and maybe countries should require tests from the US or Inida or Europe?", ">\n\nI agree. US was primarily the culprit of why COVID went rampant to begin with. We actively refused to enforce any sort of safety measures, just a mild suggestion of \"maybe wear a mask, if you want to, it's ok if you don't\" and \"we have vaccines if you want one, no pressure tho\". That was really our response to the world's deadliest pandemic.", ">\n\nWe actively made fun of zero covid approaches on reddit and now based on the comments on this thread we are suddenly pro “zero covid” approaches", ">\n\nEveryone finally watched contagion", ">\n\nSo far my 2023 bingo card is reading alooot of skull and crossbones, I think I might actually win at something next year, what does your score card look like?", ">\n\nWhen’s that $1200 going to hit my account?", ">\n\nI’m still living off mine from last time!", ">\n\nI’m still looking for mine", ">\n\nI’m waiting for that $600 bucks from Biden still, but that’s going right into my retirement!", ">\n\nYou dont get he meant to include any money you already received as well /s", ">\n\nI seem to remember campaign ads with $2000 checks.", ">\n\nYep they explicitly mentioned $2,000 checks.", ">\n\nMy comment was sarcasm but in retrospect there are so many neoliberals saying that word for word in all seriousness that I should and will add a sarcasm tag", ">\n\nThat's nice and all, but let's not act like we're not just ignoring our own COVID problems.", ">\n\n\n\"You don't have zero tolerance anymore? We can't tolerate that.\"\n\n- Country with 100% tolerance", ">\n\nWhy not require a negative COVID test from everyone entering the country? It’s like they don’t want COVID to be under control.", ">\n\nI think this is because China has a relatively low vaccination rate because they relied on lock downs. Now that lock downs are being ramped down, they are having a huge surge.", ">\n\nThe vaccination rate in China is considerably higher than the US (92% vs 81%). This is just another example of yellow peril", ">\n\nThank you for pointing this out. What I said above was wrong about the vaccination rate. I don’t know why exactly China is having a surge. 🤷‍♂️", ">\n\nTheir vaccination rate is high but their vaccine, SinoVac is based on old tech. It conveys effectively zero protection from variants when compared to all the other types of vaccines on the market.", ">\n\nYou guys are so full of shit. At 3 doses Sinovac gives the same protection as any western vaccine with boosters to help mitigate mutated variants. Stop spreading misinfo.", ">\n\n\"Does that thumbnail of someone getting tested read too much like 'screaming uselessly into the void'?\"\n\"I'm sure it'll be fine.\"", ">\n\nMaybe, just maybe they shouldnt have stopped testing airplane passengers in the first place... \nWe have cheap, readily available tests that take 10 minutes to complete. There’s really no reason not to test ever passenger before boarding...", ">\n\nEveryone I know who had Omicron tested negative until their symptoms cleared. It was evading the RATs, for some reason.", ">\n\nI tested positive on a rapid test two days after getting congested. Every teacher coworker of mine who bothered to test after getting cold symptoms also did. I think it's why so few parents now test their kids before sending time to school sick. They don't want to know so we all find out when we or our family members then test positive, missing work on their sick kids' behalf so they didn't have to. \nI have also heard the rapid test can give false negatives but anecdotal references don't mean much.", ">\n\nA day late and a dollar short. Same old song and dance.", ">\n\nWow, it’s like history literally repeating itself.", ">\n\nIndeed it is. I hope everyone is prepared for what’s next.", ">\n\nWe should require negative COVID tests for people to fly within the US, too.\nIt makes no difference to me if the person who infects me at LAX is coming in from China, or from Texas.", ">\n\nThere is a high chance anyone that comes from China has Covid right now. Low chance that someone inside America has.", ">\n\nNaw. China’s percent is much higher, sure, but it’s not like US infection rates are low. You can pretty much guarantee an infected American on every sold out domestic flight. The latest variants are super, super contagious, and it only takes one infected person to pose a serious risk to the other people sharing their space, and then all of their families and friends after they land. All flights should still require testing and masking at this point, or all we’ve really accomplished is pacifying the dimwits and xenophobes.\nI know at least 3 people who 100% contracted COVID while flying domestically in the US this last month - because they were isolated for the incubation period beforehand. They were masked the entire time they were in the airport and on the plane.", ">\n\nIf they were masked up and I assume vaccinated and still caught the virus then preventable measures like these aren’t that effective.", ">\n\nIs there a new strain of Covid that isn't in the U.S yet, otherwise what's the point.", ">\n\nUm testing should not ever stop.", ">\n\nAh shit here we go again", ">\n\n\"Who left the fridge open?\"", ">\n\nIt's \"just a cold\" unless it's a non-white person from another country carrying it.\n/s", ">\n\nChina implemented an ineffective vaccine and had 30m+ cases in one day. It’s specifically that gov. refusing to use effective vaccines", ">\n\nAnd the United States had effective vaccines that half the country is not willing to nor willing to wear masks, while complaining to other countries like China about their travel restrictions (from China and Hong Kong). And honestly I’m not oppose to a tighter restriction on China while they are experiencing a surge in new cases just as it did with any other countries that initially loosen covid restrictions, what makes me question this being race or politically motivated is the hypocrisy; people complained about China being oppressive when it was enforcing all the covid restrictions and when they loosen it “China doesn’t care about human lives”.\nSo what exactly do you want them to do?", ">\n\n\nto Require Negative Covid Tests for Travelers From China\n\nLuckily China is well known for its systemic unwillingness to fake or counterfeit things, so everything should be fine.\nhonest.", ">\n\nSeems purely retaliatory with no actual effectiveness.\nEnforcement is over a week away and presumably China has hit its peak already (flights being 40% positive)", ">\n\nThe rich rats are going to buy fake tests and jump ship breaking quarantine just like they did in the first wave. Cutting flights or enforcing quarantines is the only way to prevent this stuff from jumping oceans but god forbid anybody inhibit the jet setters.", ">\n\nHALF of the passengers on a plane from China going to Italy tested positive the other day (tested on arrival). Chances are most if not all of them had negative test results they could show that they took before they left. This won't do anything to stop people coming into the US while positive..we are going to have to go through this all over again and we won't have the same somewhat cooperative response in the US this time if it is a variant that evades immunity... It will get REALLY bad.", ">\n\nSeriously they know red states will just let them in and will never do another shut down again. So start dealt with out break countries this way to slow it down or corner it. But I see very very bad days ahead for China and Russia is starting to report out breaks too.", ">\n\nMust. When?", ">\n\nWe already require this from canada iirc\nEdit: i was wrong, canada requires it from us.", ">\n\nI hope we are talking PCR tests... those store-bought 15-minute ones struggle to get a positive if you have any sort of vaccination, even while symptomatic and miserable.", ">\n\nWell, a little bit of good news. I'll take it.", ">\n\nTravel should have been 100$ restricted a long time ago. Travel should be restricted to any country experiencing a COVID outbreak.", ">\n\nWonderful. Another round of Asian hating.", ">\n\nWho's hating on Asians? We're trying to stop this virus from killing people.", ">\n\nor… ban flights from china??", ">\n\nDoesn’t make sense in singling out China when covid is widespread in every single country", ">\n\nThe extent of covid in china atm is just absurd. Two weeks ago, they had 37 MILLION cases in one day. Think about that. Thats more people than a lot of countries! \nsource", ">\n\nI wonder why China has so much trouble with COVID compared to other countries, despite being so strict.", ">\n\nIt’s because they had the zero covid approaches that people are advocating for in this thread and they suddenly reversed course. Everyone in China is getting it so fast its likely the same variants quickly spreading in a population that suddenly reversed course. Having many people getting it over time and exposed to new generations of the virus (which is what happens over time) is more insidious but people here think thats fine", ">\n\nEveryone saying this is racist, do not pay attention to the world", ">\n\nIt was called racist and xenophobic when Trump did it. The left are hypocritical emotional wrecks.", ">\n\nnah trump was racist or did you forget he called it the “china virus” and subsequent hate crimes increased against adians", ">\n\nLet’s not change the subject. We’re talking about testing travelers from China here. Always trying to deflect.", ">\n\nIs that what he did, though? That and nothing else? This is a Fox News headline, but I bet there's a lot more to it. There usually is.\nFYI, Italy is also requiring testing of travelers from China at this time.\nBecause of the high number of cases in China at this time.", ">\n\nSo many dumb replies here. I am sad about where humankind is at.", ">\n\nRound two people", ">\n\nWe need to ramp up testing again at border.", ">\n\nChina trying to stop Covid…lol! Fail miserably at that, build a huge infected population, then unleash it on the world. Great job China /s", ">\n\nSell then the Moderna vaccine so they can treat themselves, ans end this debacle.", ">\n\nEven if US send Moderna and Phizer vaccine, China will not use it, because they boast about \"superior\" Chinese vaccine and don't want to lose face.\n​\nUntil they change their attitude, I suggest keeping restriction in place for PRC travelers.", ">\n\nOh definitely.", ">\n\nCCP exporting covid again.", ">\n\nPaywall - can anyone help me read the article? It sounds great in theory but why wait so long? That’s how this all started in 2020. Test now!", ">\n\nChina has been in quarantine until the protests. They have a very low of vaccinated people, so now everyone's breathing on each other's necks, squeezing in tight places and now introducing another pandemic. \nI believe a combination of everyone quarantined for too long and non vaccinated people are making this a very deadly spread.", ">\n\nTheir vaccination rate is not too bad, except among the elderly. But their vaccine was shit even before all the variants.\nThey've been trying to use lockdown to prevent spread and with the new variants that just won't work.\nSo yeah, they're pretty fucked.", ">\n\nVaccination rate is good, but the rate of people who are up to date on boosters is where they fall short even beyond just the elderly. It also doesn't help that the vaccine being used is overall less effective than the ones being used elsewhere like you said. Makes those booster shots many are lacking even more critical.", ">\n\nApparently Americans only get worried when it’s Chinese people spreading Covid as opposed to their own residents, citizens and Europeans.", ">\n\nseems xenophobic /s", ">\n\noh I'm sure conservatives will be very concerned about the \"freedoms\" of those travelers from China", ">\n\nHow's this going to work for the 75% of all our manufactured goods coming in from China?", ">\n\nThank God Biden is doing this if it was Trump they call him racist .", ">\n\nTrump admin did this and it was hailed as a great idea, because it was. And is.\nWho tf cares who the man or president is when it comes to health? Why are some people like this?", ">\n\nYou know that wasnt true.", ">\n\nWhy would they make a move that would indisputably send hundreds of thousands of infected into the wider world including those that may wind up being infected with a new variant or two? \nCan we at least conclude that China does not care about this possibility? Is that verboten to say?\nCan an axiomatically correct statement still result in a ban?", ">\n\nSounds kinda racist.", ">\n\nMakes absolute sense considering what's currently going on there. Canada should do the same. I'll even go as far as say suspend visas / entry from that part of the world temporarily, until they can get it under control", ">\n\nMakes sense. China is exploding with covid and who knows if/when the next bad variant develops there.", ">\n\nLmao Reddit enjoying their shut in lives so much I’d rather jump off the tallest bridge near me before going into lockdowns again.", ">\n\nXenophobia", ">\n\nXenophobic Biden", ">\n\nPeople are acting like Covid stopped spreading in the US… The US just decided to ignore it, that is until China gained more cases, and now it’s back to fear mongering Chinese people. I see that xenophobia is still alive and well in the US.", ">\n\nMy family and I caught covid during Thanksgiving after being careful for two years. Fortunately, we're all vaccinated so the symptoms didn't hit us too hard. We just got lax with being careful, but we'll probably be wearing our masks in crowded places just to be safe.", ">\n\nI never stopped wearing masks in the US while going to stores. The reality is we have had waves of Covid here in the US, and we have had different mutations of variants too.", ">\n\nThats racist. Biden should be ashamed of himself for allowing such bigotry and hatred towards our Chinese brethren.", ">\n\nThis applies to anyone traveling from China, not just the Chinese.", ">\n\nI wouldn’t think another country was rascist if the USA had a huge surge and temporarily suspended flights to:from the USA until the numbers came down.", ">\n\nSame biological warfare when westerners were entering into China in 2022?", ">\n\n50 Cent army, out in full force!", ">\n\nWhy are we letting anyone in from China?", ">\n\nCitizens and most permanent residents cannot be refused admission.", ">\n\nOh, here we go again.", ">\n\nKind of ironic seeing how the US has worse cases lmao", ">\n\nUS will keep up the bio attacks until the world complies with their foreign policy. Which is to keep China from becoming a threat to its hegemony", ">\n\nWeird how we can’t make our own citizens mask or test but we can make sure travelers from other places do \nWild how absolutely absurd the timeline we’re living in js", ">\n\nGood. We should not allow anyone from any country the opportunity to enter our country without proof.", ">\n\nIt’s not xenophobia, it’s (D)ifferent this time. Maybe if they let trump try this in the first place", ">\n\nThis just adds fuel to racist anti-Asian sentiment in the US. What about all the people on the plane with Chinese travelers who aren't Chinese? If the situation warrants testing of anyone, it warrants testing of everyone.", ">\n\nThis is just politics. Do we really want to pretend we don’t have an overwhelming amount of COVID cases right now in America? Everyone knows most people don’t test unless they’re very sick (which is rare now) and most who even do test use at home tests and don’t report the results. Can we really just not admit to ourselves as a nation that for the overwhelming majority of people COVID no longer poses a serious threat? Hospitalization, death and long COVID are statistically insignificant for healthy vaccinated individuals at this point I don’t see why anyone can see this as anymore than political posturing.", ">\n\nWelcome to the virtue signaling zone.", ">\n\nWell ??? Why wouldn't we check considering their outbreak is significant. Seriously was this a question ?", ">\n\nChina’s authoritarian regime locked down their country for years… this contained rhe virus until mass protests as well as international condemnations. So I believe Chinese govt is teaching their citizens a lesson. Let them roam free and allow international travel into the country. Let them get severely ill and die. Then they will acknowledge and apologize to the government. This type of reverse psychology isn’t new.", ">\n\nWe the People require a vigilant health care approach to our borders at the expense of [Pure Greed] from those who capitalize on what ails us\nWe the People demand all institutions do a readiness check \nAt which time We the People can demand a Meeting of the Continental Congress to address the state of our union, to reboot the principles and powers of the American Constitution and Bill of Rights, to re instate the neutral balance of power in the houses and senate of all levels of our current government[ one party control is not the operation of the United States of America 🇺🇸]", ">\n\nIf only we had this kind of foresight 3 years ago… we could have avoided this whole mess.", ">\n\nAnd Trump was called xenophobic when we asked for the same thing", ">\n\nExactly", ">\n\nWe should have another global 2020-tier lockdown period, imo. Work at home, way less flights active etc.", ">\n\nAnd millions of people, children, the most disadvantaged would die and suffer", ">\n\nI feel like they need to extend this restriction to all of Europe as well. It’s already spread outside of China.", ">\n\nSo I’m guessing it’s not racist now that Biden is doing it.", ">\n\nAgeeed", ">\n\nSome will get through. We may be in trouble.", ">\n\nIt's a racist policy. Why not ban people from Florida from traveling to the rest of the US? What's the difference?", ">\n\nThe scientific and medical community believe China is headed for another outbreak so this step is a must", ">\n\nCanadian here. I traveled from Toronto's Pearson International airport to the U S in November for Thanksgiving and the majority of travelers going through security were, I'd guess, Chinese carrying passports from that country, most not wearing masks. I don't really know if they were Canadian citizens or not but their passports definitely were not.", ">\n\nYet banning travel from China back in 2019-2020 was racist and xenophobic . No wonder the public has no confidence in the government.", ">\n\nI can’t believe the Biden admin actually went through this. They’re testing them just because they’re Chinese??? That is so racist smh", ">\n\nThis applies to anyone coming from China, not just Chinese citizens. It’s based on the ongoing outbreak, not their race.", ">\n\nWell it’s still racist to assume anyone from China is infected just because of where they’re coming from", ">\n\nIt’s not racist at all. “Coming from China” is not a race. They will test everyone on the plane regardless of demographics.", ">\n\nWhich is racist though. It’s the same thing Trump did by banning anyone coming from China. Why don’t they ban everyone coming from Japan? India? South Korea? Thailand? Etc? Why just the Chinese smh.", ">\n\nDamn that’s so racist #stopasianhate", ">\n\n2019 into 2020 all over again. \nAt least China has a strict ban on flights...\nOh", ">\n\nI don't think that's on China. I don't remember US banning any flights abroad during any of our surges?", ">\n\nI also don't remember the US being the origin of covid. \nChina has a special responsibility as a nation that fucked up and let covid grow out of control and escape its boundaries to not open up the export of viral vectors at the height of their crisis.\nCCP incompetence and mendacity has done enough already that they need to go above and beyond to keep shit as much as possible within their own borders.", ">\n\nThe fucks the point of that? They could be exposed, test negative and pop positive while they’re here or anywhere. Negative test doesn’t mean shit.", ">\n\nRayciss", ">\n\nThe government should require it for all airline passengers. Chinese travelers infected with COVID 19 are going to go to other countries too and some of those people will fly here. Likewise, there should be a requirement for all Americans going abroad so the U.S. doesn't spread COVID 19 to other countries.", ">\n\nChina the base screams, even democrats, the great enemy of this era. If England had a surge, nobody would be screaming for negative tests.", ">\n\nInconsiderate assholes", ">\n\nThat’s racist and anti Asian", ">\n\nHasn’t almost everyone in the US had it at this point? It’s like forbidding lighters in a forest that was recently burned down.", ">\n\nStop Asian Hate?", ">\n\nI feel that this is very anti Asian if it’s only for them.", ">\n\nThis is racism", ">\n\nIt’s prevention. There is a difference.", ">\n\nThere sure wasn't when Trump was president", ">\n\nThat's rich", ">\n\nMy man is getting ready to throat the fuck out that swab in the pic", ">\n\nfreedumb convoy assemble", ">\n\num no photo thanks", ">\n\nTbf each Chinese citizen is considered a weapon lol pass on the XiFlu and CCP gets bodies on USA streets. \nSolution 4 weeks isolation for each citizen in any nation that they have to pay for regardless of the financial situation (if you have no money how do you expect to live…) then request all citizens to give up their devices so CCP can’t track them. \nFirst phone can be given to them without a credit check on the GOV", ">\n\nYeah. They removed the restrictions because the citizens wanted freedom.", ">\n\nSuper xenophobic of Biden.", ">\n\nThat photo is foul lol", ">\n\nThroat swabs are in??? What about the nose?" ]
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[ "People from China will travel through Europe and come in to America from the east coast like they did when the pandemic started. This will do nothing if all travelers aboard aren’t made to test.", ">\n\nLet's hope EU and other countries do the same.", ">\n\nI don't know if they will. Australia (for example) had some of the toughest Covid policies and they've essentially just thrown them all out the window.\nSo I don't know how willing countries are to go back to being overly concerned about Covid.", ">\n\nThey should be concerned w chinese, it's spreading like wildfire in china. If we aren't careful, they will come out w covid 20.", ">\n\nIt’s spreading everywhere including the USA. This policy has nothing to do with science or medicine. It’s just politics.", ">\n\nNo. It’s circulating like mad in a population of 1 billion people who haven’t been exposed before. This is how new variants come about. Every country should require negative Covid test for china at least until it cycles through the population", ">\n\n\nNo. It’s circulating like mad in a population of 1 billion people who haven’t been exposed before.\n\nIt's also spreading like mad in all the countries of the world including the USA.\n\nThis is how new variants come about. \n\nAnd they have been for years now.\n\nEvery country should require negative Covid test for china at least until it cycles through the population\n\nOnly for political reasons. There is no scientific or rational demand for this. \nI get it, you hate china, most americans hate china so just be honest and say what you really mean.", ">\n\nStrains are spreading in the west yes, but there are new strains in China that are spreading and we don't know if our vaccines will work with those strains. We know the Chinese vaccines have a low efficacy rate and we know they are not mRNA vaccines which allow for easier adaptation to new strains. Making travelers with a Chinese passport take Covid tests at any and all airports is not racist or even unfair - a reminder that China has been relatively hard to travel to for the last 2 years because they were locked down to foreign travel as well. This is simply good policy from a public health measure, and you not wanting to see that for what it is and instead attribute it to a nascent American hatred for China is laughable. the World Health Organization estimated close to 800 million new cases in China in the next few months, with another estimate 4 million deaths and countless new strains coming out during that period. This is about protection populations, not punishing China.", ">\n\n\nStrains are spreading in the west yes, but there are new strains in China that are spreading and we don't know if our vaccines will work with those strains.\n\nYou don't know if vaccines work against any new variant even if that variant is from a country populated with white people.\n\nWe know the Chinese vaccines have a low efficacy rate and we know they are not mRNA vaccines which allow for easier adaptation to new strains. \n\nThe vaccine doesn't adapt once inside of your body you know that right?\n\nMaking travelers with a Chinese passport take Covid tests at any and all airports is not racist or even unfair \n\nit's definitely unfair and probably racist as well.\n\nhis is simply good policy from a public health measure, a\n\nA good policy would be to require vaccinations from everybody. Think about it, you are requiring a vaccine that you said doesn't even work. How much sense does that make?\n\nattribute it to a nascent American hatred for China is laughable.\n\nNascent?\n\nThis is about protection populations, not punishing China.\n\nIt's definitely about punishing china, it's a part of the current cold war with China conducted by the USA.", ">\n\n\nYou don't know if vaccines work against any new variant even if that variant is from a country populated with white people.\n\nAll the more reason to not invite more new strains into the country. White population or otherwise has nothing to do with it, expected rise in cases in China does.\n\nThe vaccine doesn't adapt once inside of your body you know that right?\n\nYou missed the point. The point i was making was that the Chinese medical system has not even approached Covid with an mRNA vaccine, and steadfastly refused to license western vaccines. If the vaccine most readily available in China has a 50% efficacy then the population is at more risk of contracting the virus and having negative results. The infection rates are increased with each new case of BA.7 (China is currently seeing each covid patient infecting on average 18 other people represented as 1:18, whereas the in US the rate is 1:3.9). Each of these factors increases the risk of developing new strains that are vaccine resistant. \n\nit's definitely unfair and probably racist as well\n\nIs it your position that nations cannot take any prescriptive action to prevent the spread of infected persons from other countries? Again i would remind you that China has basically been locked down for the last 2 years, with severe limitations to personal freedoms themselves. This is not based on race, but rather a government's inability to contain a contagious outbreak in their own country and not wanting it to spread. \n\nA good policy would be to require vaccinations from everybody. Think about it, you are requiring a vaccine that you said doesn't even work. How much sense does that make?\n\nThat might be your definition on good policy, but it isn't mine and that isn't how the west does it. \"I\" am not requiring a vaccine that \"I\" said doesn't work - that was your suggestion not mine. Also, i said the efficacy of the Chinese vaccine is 50% - based on available information - i never said it didn't work, and i never said that it should be mandatory or required.\n\nNascent?\n\nPoor and wrong word choice on my part it seems. What i meant was ascribing the US decision to require testing of Chinese travelers to racism because you believe that the US is racist is laughable. Taking a test to prove that you are covid negative is far less onerous on a traveler than most visa requirements.\n\nIt's definitely about punishing china, it's a part of the current cold war with China conducted by the USA.\n\nCite your sources. I could point to many Chinese government policies that i could say are part of the current cold war with the US without backing it up and it would be just as credible as what you said. Opinion is not a source, and not proof. You assume that the US government is racist, that this policy is racist and yet we have had travel bans imposed on other countries, as well as testing required for travelers from other countries imposed before, and other policies and so has China. For goodness sake China has been closed to foreigners for almost 3 years, and is still closed to foreign travel until January 2023. Is that a racist policy as well?", ">\n\nHere we go again.\nThis time I think I'll learn French cooking.", ">\n\n5000 People a day will have to die before Anybody says the word Lock down in the States ever again.", ">\n\nDon’t understand why people can’t handle staying at home for two weeks when it could potentially eradicate a deadly virus. Are we that weak?", ">\n\nWe did that in large part in March 2020. And did China not spend years locking down their citizens? \nPeoples savings are gone. They need to work. \nWearing a mask would do a lot to help the issue but people aren’t willing to do that anymore.", ">\n\nWe didn't do that though. We didn't all lock down when we were supposed to. Where I work I had to go in from the very start all the way through. Most people, the majority of people, didn't stay home even if they didn't have work. Most people didn't fuck with masks or keeping a distance, and even people who weren't antivaccers didn't take the vaccine seriously for the longest time. \nWe had no fucking lock down, unless you were a well-off celebrity or comedian who wanted to talk about being locked down for content. \nIf people legit locked down, they would have taken a small hit financially, but too many people didn't do shit and prolonged everything.", ">\n\nThe things is that it doesn't take long to drain peoples saving - becuase the overwhelming majority of people have practically none. \nSo an extended lockdown was never feasible unless the government was willing to pay several trillion dollars of expenses, not just 2 or 3 times but several times over.", ">\n\nI didn't dispute any of what you said. I pointed out that most people actively contested any safety measure and most people didn't actually lock down. Any extension will almost certainly be the fault of most of those people. \nI'd gladly let them all die if it meant the few people who did take things seriously didn't have to live through a Walking Dead scenario or have to take a huge financial hit because them.", ">\n\nMost people did lock down just fine initially. After a few weeks turned into a month or more, yeah people got testy.\nAdditionally, a gigantic amount of people work in critical industries and simply cant stay home. Just keeping the lights and water on requires tens of millions of workers, plus industries like plants and refineries that simply cannot shut down without massive long-term consequences.\nReddit is full of office people who can WFH, the vast majority of people cant.", ">\n\nI was one of those who couldn't stay home. Right out of the gate most people gave up on almost all of it except when they were making a show of complying when they had to. There was a lot of cheating. I walk through a lot of different areas. The waves of patients and bodies we got at work tracked with that and became predictable.", ">\n\nWhat’s that saying that ends with ”…doomed to repeat it?”", ">\n\nWhy not just require a negative test from everyone?", ">\n\nWho would you expect to pay for that?", ">\n\nGovernments or sponsors from the private sector ideally, I honestly don’t give a fuck. I’ve gotten many free tests from both and I’ve also bought some for like $8.", ">\n\n“Here we go again” from everyone in the comments. \nThe virus never stopped, we did.", ">\n\nVirus will always be there. Permanent restrictions are unsustainable", ">\n\n3 years later...\nIs this permanent?", ">\n\nI doubt there's anything that would make Republicans running in 2024 happier then Democrats advocating for a return to COVID restrictions.", ">\n\nRight? It’d be like the democrats fighting for gun control, or gay and trans rights, or safe and legal abortions. It would be political suicide to stand for something that Republicans don’t like!", ">\n\nMy understanding is that everything you listed is broadly popular or has at least a majority of American's in favor of it. A return to COVID restrictions is not in that category.", ">\n\nGun control isn’t even universally loved amongst the American left, as the hard left needs them for protection from the hard right they clash with, and the middle left does like having their guns taken as much as any middle right wing does, only mid left likes it", ">\n\nGallup has 57% of Americans feeling that in general gun laws should be more strict.", ">\n\nRegular people want kids to stop dying while in school. The problem is \"stricter laws\" is vague and no one can agree on what it means or give a serious proposal that would work, short of confiscation and bans, which are wildly unpopular.", ">\n\nVague political talking points is the best we’re going to get. Much as I’d love a Ross Perot style of breaking down every platform and promise, the general public doesn’t go for it. Buzz words are all we have the attention span for.", ">\n\nChina's COVID-19 surge raises odds of new coronavirus variants\nThings could get very ugly.", ">\n\nYou say this like covid hasn't been spreading rampantly through literally every country on the planet, mostly without any measures to stop the spread. Why does China get a different treatment and maybe countries should require tests from the US or Inida or Europe?", ">\n\nI agree. US was primarily the culprit of why COVID went rampant to begin with. We actively refused to enforce any sort of safety measures, just a mild suggestion of \"maybe wear a mask, if you want to, it's ok if you don't\" and \"we have vaccines if you want one, no pressure tho\". That was really our response to the world's deadliest pandemic.", ">\n\nWe actively made fun of zero covid approaches on reddit and now based on the comments on this thread we are suddenly pro “zero covid” approaches", ">\n\nEveryone finally watched contagion", ">\n\nSo far my 2023 bingo card is reading alooot of skull and crossbones, I think I might actually win at something next year, what does your score card look like?", ">\n\nWhen’s that $1200 going to hit my account?", ">\n\nI’m still living off mine from last time!", ">\n\nI’m still looking for mine", ">\n\nI’m waiting for that $600 bucks from Biden still, but that’s going right into my retirement!", ">\n\nYou dont get he meant to include any money you already received as well /s", ">\n\nI seem to remember campaign ads with $2000 checks.", ">\n\nYep they explicitly mentioned $2,000 checks.", ">\n\nMy comment was sarcasm but in retrospect there are so many neoliberals saying that word for word in all seriousness that I should and will add a sarcasm tag", ">\n\nThat's nice and all, but let's not act like we're not just ignoring our own COVID problems.", ">\n\n\n\"You don't have zero tolerance anymore? We can't tolerate that.\"\n\n- Country with 100% tolerance", ">\n\nWhy not require a negative COVID test from everyone entering the country? It’s like they don’t want COVID to be under control.", ">\n\nI think this is because China has a relatively low vaccination rate because they relied on lock downs. Now that lock downs are being ramped down, they are having a huge surge.", ">\n\nThe vaccination rate in China is considerably higher than the US (92% vs 81%). This is just another example of yellow peril", ">\n\nThank you for pointing this out. What I said above was wrong about the vaccination rate. I don’t know why exactly China is having a surge. 🤷‍♂️", ">\n\nTheir vaccination rate is high but their vaccine, SinoVac is based on old tech. It conveys effectively zero protection from variants when compared to all the other types of vaccines on the market.", ">\n\nYou guys are so full of shit. At 3 doses Sinovac gives the same protection as any western vaccine with boosters to help mitigate mutated variants. Stop spreading misinfo.", ">\n\n\"Does that thumbnail of someone getting tested read too much like 'screaming uselessly into the void'?\"\n\"I'm sure it'll be fine.\"", ">\n\nMaybe, just maybe they shouldnt have stopped testing airplane passengers in the first place... \nWe have cheap, readily available tests that take 10 minutes to complete. There’s really no reason not to test ever passenger before boarding...", ">\n\nEveryone I know who had Omicron tested negative until their symptoms cleared. It was evading the RATs, for some reason.", ">\n\nI tested positive on a rapid test two days after getting congested. Every teacher coworker of mine who bothered to test after getting cold symptoms also did. I think it's why so few parents now test their kids before sending time to school sick. They don't want to know so we all find out when we or our family members then test positive, missing work on their sick kids' behalf so they didn't have to. \nI have also heard the rapid test can give false negatives but anecdotal references don't mean much.", ">\n\nA day late and a dollar short. Same old song and dance.", ">\n\nWow, it’s like history literally repeating itself.", ">\n\nIndeed it is. I hope everyone is prepared for what’s next.", ">\n\nWe should require negative COVID tests for people to fly within the US, too.\nIt makes no difference to me if the person who infects me at LAX is coming in from China, or from Texas.", ">\n\nThere is a high chance anyone that comes from China has Covid right now. Low chance that someone inside America has.", ">\n\nNaw. China’s percent is much higher, sure, but it’s not like US infection rates are low. You can pretty much guarantee an infected American on every sold out domestic flight. The latest variants are super, super contagious, and it only takes one infected person to pose a serious risk to the other people sharing their space, and then all of their families and friends after they land. All flights should still require testing and masking at this point, or all we’ve really accomplished is pacifying the dimwits and xenophobes.\nI know at least 3 people who 100% contracted COVID while flying domestically in the US this last month - because they were isolated for the incubation period beforehand. They were masked the entire time they were in the airport and on the plane.", ">\n\nIf they were masked up and I assume vaccinated and still caught the virus then preventable measures like these aren’t that effective.", ">\n\nIs there a new strain of Covid that isn't in the U.S yet, otherwise what's the point.", ">\n\nUm testing should not ever stop.", ">\n\nAh shit here we go again", ">\n\n\"Who left the fridge open?\"", ">\n\nIt's \"just a cold\" unless it's a non-white person from another country carrying it.\n/s", ">\n\nChina implemented an ineffective vaccine and had 30m+ cases in one day. It’s specifically that gov. refusing to use effective vaccines", ">\n\nAnd the United States had effective vaccines that half the country is not willing to nor willing to wear masks, while complaining to other countries like China about their travel restrictions (from China and Hong Kong). And honestly I’m not oppose to a tighter restriction on China while they are experiencing a surge in new cases just as it did with any other countries that initially loosen covid restrictions, what makes me question this being race or politically motivated is the hypocrisy; people complained about China being oppressive when it was enforcing all the covid restrictions and when they loosen it “China doesn’t care about human lives”.\nSo what exactly do you want them to do?", ">\n\n\nto Require Negative Covid Tests for Travelers From China\n\nLuckily China is well known for its systemic unwillingness to fake or counterfeit things, so everything should be fine.\nhonest.", ">\n\nSeems purely retaliatory with no actual effectiveness.\nEnforcement is over a week away and presumably China has hit its peak already (flights being 40% positive)", ">\n\nThe rich rats are going to buy fake tests and jump ship breaking quarantine just like they did in the first wave. Cutting flights or enforcing quarantines is the only way to prevent this stuff from jumping oceans but god forbid anybody inhibit the jet setters.", ">\n\nHALF of the passengers on a plane from China going to Italy tested positive the other day (tested on arrival). Chances are most if not all of them had negative test results they could show that they took before they left. This won't do anything to stop people coming into the US while positive..we are going to have to go through this all over again and we won't have the same somewhat cooperative response in the US this time if it is a variant that evades immunity... It will get REALLY bad.", ">\n\nSeriously they know red states will just let them in and will never do another shut down again. So start dealt with out break countries this way to slow it down or corner it. But I see very very bad days ahead for China and Russia is starting to report out breaks too.", ">\n\nMust. When?", ">\n\nWe already require this from canada iirc\nEdit: i was wrong, canada requires it from us.", ">\n\nI hope we are talking PCR tests... those store-bought 15-minute ones struggle to get a positive if you have any sort of vaccination, even while symptomatic and miserable.", ">\n\nWell, a little bit of good news. I'll take it.", ">\n\nTravel should have been 100$ restricted a long time ago. Travel should be restricted to any country experiencing a COVID outbreak.", ">\n\nWonderful. Another round of Asian hating.", ">\n\nWho's hating on Asians? We're trying to stop this virus from killing people.", ">\n\nor… ban flights from china??", ">\n\nDoesn’t make sense in singling out China when covid is widespread in every single country", ">\n\nThe extent of covid in china atm is just absurd. Two weeks ago, they had 37 MILLION cases in one day. Think about that. Thats more people than a lot of countries! \nsource", ">\n\nI wonder why China has so much trouble with COVID compared to other countries, despite being so strict.", ">\n\nIt’s because they had the zero covid approaches that people are advocating for in this thread and they suddenly reversed course. Everyone in China is getting it so fast its likely the same variants quickly spreading in a population that suddenly reversed course. Having many people getting it over time and exposed to new generations of the virus (which is what happens over time) is more insidious but people here think thats fine", ">\n\nEveryone saying this is racist, do not pay attention to the world", ">\n\nIt was called racist and xenophobic when Trump did it. The left are hypocritical emotional wrecks.", ">\n\nnah trump was racist or did you forget he called it the “china virus” and subsequent hate crimes increased against adians", ">\n\nLet’s not change the subject. We’re talking about testing travelers from China here. Always trying to deflect.", ">\n\nIs that what he did, though? That and nothing else? This is a Fox News headline, but I bet there's a lot more to it. There usually is.\nFYI, Italy is also requiring testing of travelers from China at this time.\nBecause of the high number of cases in China at this time.", ">\n\nSo many dumb replies here. I am sad about where humankind is at.", ">\n\nRound two people", ">\n\nWe need to ramp up testing again at border.", ">\n\nChina trying to stop Covid…lol! Fail miserably at that, build a huge infected population, then unleash it on the world. Great job China /s", ">\n\nSell then the Moderna vaccine so they can treat themselves, ans end this debacle.", ">\n\nEven if US send Moderna and Phizer vaccine, China will not use it, because they boast about \"superior\" Chinese vaccine and don't want to lose face.\n​\nUntil they change their attitude, I suggest keeping restriction in place for PRC travelers.", ">\n\nOh definitely.", ">\n\nCCP exporting covid again.", ">\n\nPaywall - can anyone help me read the article? It sounds great in theory but why wait so long? That’s how this all started in 2020. Test now!", ">\n\nChina has been in quarantine until the protests. They have a very low of vaccinated people, so now everyone's breathing on each other's necks, squeezing in tight places and now introducing another pandemic. \nI believe a combination of everyone quarantined for too long and non vaccinated people are making this a very deadly spread.", ">\n\nTheir vaccination rate is not too bad, except among the elderly. But their vaccine was shit even before all the variants.\nThey've been trying to use lockdown to prevent spread and with the new variants that just won't work.\nSo yeah, they're pretty fucked.", ">\n\nVaccination rate is good, but the rate of people who are up to date on boosters is where they fall short even beyond just the elderly. It also doesn't help that the vaccine being used is overall less effective than the ones being used elsewhere like you said. Makes those booster shots many are lacking even more critical.", ">\n\nApparently Americans only get worried when it’s Chinese people spreading Covid as opposed to their own residents, citizens and Europeans.", ">\n\nseems xenophobic /s", ">\n\noh I'm sure conservatives will be very concerned about the \"freedoms\" of those travelers from China", ">\n\nHow's this going to work for the 75% of all our manufactured goods coming in from China?", ">\n\nThank God Biden is doing this if it was Trump they call him racist .", ">\n\nTrump admin did this and it was hailed as a great idea, because it was. And is.\nWho tf cares who the man or president is when it comes to health? Why are some people like this?", ">\n\nYou know that wasnt true.", ">\n\nWhy would they make a move that would indisputably send hundreds of thousands of infected into the wider world including those that may wind up being infected with a new variant or two? \nCan we at least conclude that China does not care about this possibility? Is that verboten to say?\nCan an axiomatically correct statement still result in a ban?", ">\n\nSounds kinda racist.", ">\n\nMakes absolute sense considering what's currently going on there. Canada should do the same. I'll even go as far as say suspend visas / entry from that part of the world temporarily, until they can get it under control", ">\n\nMakes sense. China is exploding with covid and who knows if/when the next bad variant develops there.", ">\n\nLmao Reddit enjoying their shut in lives so much I’d rather jump off the tallest bridge near me before going into lockdowns again.", ">\n\nXenophobia", ">\n\nXenophobic Biden", ">\n\nPeople are acting like Covid stopped spreading in the US… The US just decided to ignore it, that is until China gained more cases, and now it’s back to fear mongering Chinese people. I see that xenophobia is still alive and well in the US.", ">\n\nMy family and I caught covid during Thanksgiving after being careful for two years. Fortunately, we're all vaccinated so the symptoms didn't hit us too hard. We just got lax with being careful, but we'll probably be wearing our masks in crowded places just to be safe.", ">\n\nI never stopped wearing masks in the US while going to stores. The reality is we have had waves of Covid here in the US, and we have had different mutations of variants too.", ">\n\nThats racist. Biden should be ashamed of himself for allowing such bigotry and hatred towards our Chinese brethren.", ">\n\nThis applies to anyone traveling from China, not just the Chinese.", ">\n\nI wouldn’t think another country was rascist if the USA had a huge surge and temporarily suspended flights to:from the USA until the numbers came down.", ">\n\nSame biological warfare when westerners were entering into China in 2022?", ">\n\n50 Cent army, out in full force!", ">\n\nWhy are we letting anyone in from China?", ">\n\nCitizens and most permanent residents cannot be refused admission.", ">\n\nOh, here we go again.", ">\n\nKind of ironic seeing how the US has worse cases lmao", ">\n\nUS will keep up the bio attacks until the world complies with their foreign policy. Which is to keep China from becoming a threat to its hegemony", ">\n\nWeird how we can’t make our own citizens mask or test but we can make sure travelers from other places do \nWild how absolutely absurd the timeline we’re living in js", ">\n\nGood. We should not allow anyone from any country the opportunity to enter our country without proof.", ">\n\nIt’s not xenophobia, it’s (D)ifferent this time. Maybe if they let trump try this in the first place", ">\n\nThis just adds fuel to racist anti-Asian sentiment in the US. What about all the people on the plane with Chinese travelers who aren't Chinese? If the situation warrants testing of anyone, it warrants testing of everyone.", ">\n\nThis is just politics. Do we really want to pretend we don’t have an overwhelming amount of COVID cases right now in America? Everyone knows most people don’t test unless they’re very sick (which is rare now) and most who even do test use at home tests and don’t report the results. Can we really just not admit to ourselves as a nation that for the overwhelming majority of people COVID no longer poses a serious threat? Hospitalization, death and long COVID are statistically insignificant for healthy vaccinated individuals at this point I don’t see why anyone can see this as anymore than political posturing.", ">\n\nWelcome to the virtue signaling zone.", ">\n\nWell ??? Why wouldn't we check considering their outbreak is significant. Seriously was this a question ?", ">\n\nChina’s authoritarian regime locked down their country for years… this contained rhe virus until mass protests as well as international condemnations. So I believe Chinese govt is teaching their citizens a lesson. Let them roam free and allow international travel into the country. Let them get severely ill and die. Then they will acknowledge and apologize to the government. This type of reverse psychology isn’t new.", ">\n\nWe the People require a vigilant health care approach to our borders at the expense of [Pure Greed] from those who capitalize on what ails us\nWe the People demand all institutions do a readiness check \nAt which time We the People can demand a Meeting of the Continental Congress to address the state of our union, to reboot the principles and powers of the American Constitution and Bill of Rights, to re instate the neutral balance of power in the houses and senate of all levels of our current government[ one party control is not the operation of the United States of America 🇺🇸]", ">\n\nIf only we had this kind of foresight 3 years ago… we could have avoided this whole mess.", ">\n\nAnd Trump was called xenophobic when we asked for the same thing", ">\n\nExactly", ">\n\nWe should have another global 2020-tier lockdown period, imo. Work at home, way less flights active etc.", ">\n\nAnd millions of people, children, the most disadvantaged would die and suffer", ">\n\nI feel like they need to extend this restriction to all of Europe as well. It’s already spread outside of China.", ">\n\nSo I’m guessing it’s not racist now that Biden is doing it.", ">\n\nAgeeed", ">\n\nSome will get through. We may be in trouble.", ">\n\nIt's a racist policy. Why not ban people from Florida from traveling to the rest of the US? What's the difference?", ">\n\nThe scientific and medical community believe China is headed for another outbreak so this step is a must", ">\n\nCanadian here. I traveled from Toronto's Pearson International airport to the U S in November for Thanksgiving and the majority of travelers going through security were, I'd guess, Chinese carrying passports from that country, most not wearing masks. I don't really know if they were Canadian citizens or not but their passports definitely were not.", ">\n\nYet banning travel from China back in 2019-2020 was racist and xenophobic . No wonder the public has no confidence in the government.", ">\n\nI can’t believe the Biden admin actually went through this. They’re testing them just because they’re Chinese??? That is so racist smh", ">\n\nThis applies to anyone coming from China, not just Chinese citizens. It’s based on the ongoing outbreak, not their race.", ">\n\nWell it’s still racist to assume anyone from China is infected just because of where they’re coming from", ">\n\nIt’s not racist at all. “Coming from China” is not a race. They will test everyone on the plane regardless of demographics.", ">\n\nWhich is racist though. It’s the same thing Trump did by banning anyone coming from China. Why don’t they ban everyone coming from Japan? India? South Korea? Thailand? Etc? Why just the Chinese smh.", ">\n\nDamn that’s so racist #stopasianhate", ">\n\n2019 into 2020 all over again. \nAt least China has a strict ban on flights...\nOh", ">\n\nI don't think that's on China. I don't remember US banning any flights abroad during any of our surges?", ">\n\nI also don't remember the US being the origin of covid. \nChina has a special responsibility as a nation that fucked up and let covid grow out of control and escape its boundaries to not open up the export of viral vectors at the height of their crisis.\nCCP incompetence and mendacity has done enough already that they need to go above and beyond to keep shit as much as possible within their own borders.", ">\n\nThe fucks the point of that? They could be exposed, test negative and pop positive while they’re here or anywhere. Negative test doesn’t mean shit.", ">\n\nRayciss", ">\n\nThe government should require it for all airline passengers. Chinese travelers infected with COVID 19 are going to go to other countries too and some of those people will fly here. Likewise, there should be a requirement for all Americans going abroad so the U.S. doesn't spread COVID 19 to other countries.", ">\n\nChina the base screams, even democrats, the great enemy of this era. If England had a surge, nobody would be screaming for negative tests.", ">\n\nInconsiderate assholes", ">\n\nThat’s racist and anti Asian", ">\n\nHasn’t almost everyone in the US had it at this point? It’s like forbidding lighters in a forest that was recently burned down.", ">\n\nStop Asian Hate?", ">\n\nI feel that this is very anti Asian if it’s only for them.", ">\n\nThis is racism", ">\n\nIt’s prevention. There is a difference.", ">\n\nThere sure wasn't when Trump was president", ">\n\nThat's rich", ">\n\nMy man is getting ready to throat the fuck out that swab in the pic", ">\n\nfreedumb convoy assemble", ">\n\num no photo thanks", ">\n\nTbf each Chinese citizen is considered a weapon lol pass on the XiFlu and CCP gets bodies on USA streets. \nSolution 4 weeks isolation for each citizen in any nation that they have to pay for regardless of the financial situation (if you have no money how do you expect to live…) then request all citizens to give up their devices so CCP can’t track them. \nFirst phone can be given to them without a credit check on the GOV", ">\n\nYeah. They removed the restrictions because the citizens wanted freedom.", ">\n\nSuper xenophobic of Biden.", ">\n\nThat photo is foul lol", ">\n\nThroat swabs are in??? What about the nose?", ">\n\nThey swabbed his nose with it first, checking to see if he has a sense of taste left is step two." ]
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[ "People from China will travel through Europe and come in to America from the east coast like they did when the pandemic started. This will do nothing if all travelers aboard aren’t made to test.", ">\n\nLet's hope EU and other countries do the same.", ">\n\nI don't know if they will. Australia (for example) had some of the toughest Covid policies and they've essentially just thrown them all out the window.\nSo I don't know how willing countries are to go back to being overly concerned about Covid.", ">\n\nThey should be concerned w chinese, it's spreading like wildfire in china. If we aren't careful, they will come out w covid 20.", ">\n\nIt’s spreading everywhere including the USA. This policy has nothing to do with science or medicine. It’s just politics.", ">\n\nNo. It’s circulating like mad in a population of 1 billion people who haven’t been exposed before. This is how new variants come about. Every country should require negative Covid test for china at least until it cycles through the population", ">\n\n\nNo. It’s circulating like mad in a population of 1 billion people who haven’t been exposed before.\n\nIt's also spreading like mad in all the countries of the world including the USA.\n\nThis is how new variants come about. \n\nAnd they have been for years now.\n\nEvery country should require negative Covid test for china at least until it cycles through the population\n\nOnly for political reasons. There is no scientific or rational demand for this. \nI get it, you hate china, most americans hate china so just be honest and say what you really mean.", ">\n\nStrains are spreading in the west yes, but there are new strains in China that are spreading and we don't know if our vaccines will work with those strains. We know the Chinese vaccines have a low efficacy rate and we know they are not mRNA vaccines which allow for easier adaptation to new strains. Making travelers with a Chinese passport take Covid tests at any and all airports is not racist or even unfair - a reminder that China has been relatively hard to travel to for the last 2 years because they were locked down to foreign travel as well. This is simply good policy from a public health measure, and you not wanting to see that for what it is and instead attribute it to a nascent American hatred for China is laughable. the World Health Organization estimated close to 800 million new cases in China in the next few months, with another estimate 4 million deaths and countless new strains coming out during that period. This is about protection populations, not punishing China.", ">\n\n\nStrains are spreading in the west yes, but there are new strains in China that are spreading and we don't know if our vaccines will work with those strains.\n\nYou don't know if vaccines work against any new variant even if that variant is from a country populated with white people.\n\nWe know the Chinese vaccines have a low efficacy rate and we know they are not mRNA vaccines which allow for easier adaptation to new strains. \n\nThe vaccine doesn't adapt once inside of your body you know that right?\n\nMaking travelers with a Chinese passport take Covid tests at any and all airports is not racist or even unfair \n\nit's definitely unfair and probably racist as well.\n\nhis is simply good policy from a public health measure, a\n\nA good policy would be to require vaccinations from everybody. Think about it, you are requiring a vaccine that you said doesn't even work. How much sense does that make?\n\nattribute it to a nascent American hatred for China is laughable.\n\nNascent?\n\nThis is about protection populations, not punishing China.\n\nIt's definitely about punishing china, it's a part of the current cold war with China conducted by the USA.", ">\n\n\nYou don't know if vaccines work against any new variant even if that variant is from a country populated with white people.\n\nAll the more reason to not invite more new strains into the country. White population or otherwise has nothing to do with it, expected rise in cases in China does.\n\nThe vaccine doesn't adapt once inside of your body you know that right?\n\nYou missed the point. The point i was making was that the Chinese medical system has not even approached Covid with an mRNA vaccine, and steadfastly refused to license western vaccines. If the vaccine most readily available in China has a 50% efficacy then the population is at more risk of contracting the virus and having negative results. The infection rates are increased with each new case of BA.7 (China is currently seeing each covid patient infecting on average 18 other people represented as 1:18, whereas the in US the rate is 1:3.9). Each of these factors increases the risk of developing new strains that are vaccine resistant. \n\nit's definitely unfair and probably racist as well\n\nIs it your position that nations cannot take any prescriptive action to prevent the spread of infected persons from other countries? Again i would remind you that China has basically been locked down for the last 2 years, with severe limitations to personal freedoms themselves. This is not based on race, but rather a government's inability to contain a contagious outbreak in their own country and not wanting it to spread. \n\nA good policy would be to require vaccinations from everybody. Think about it, you are requiring a vaccine that you said doesn't even work. How much sense does that make?\n\nThat might be your definition on good policy, but it isn't mine and that isn't how the west does it. \"I\" am not requiring a vaccine that \"I\" said doesn't work - that was your suggestion not mine. Also, i said the efficacy of the Chinese vaccine is 50% - based on available information - i never said it didn't work, and i never said that it should be mandatory or required.\n\nNascent?\n\nPoor and wrong word choice on my part it seems. What i meant was ascribing the US decision to require testing of Chinese travelers to racism because you believe that the US is racist is laughable. Taking a test to prove that you are covid negative is far less onerous on a traveler than most visa requirements.\n\nIt's definitely about punishing china, it's a part of the current cold war with China conducted by the USA.\n\nCite your sources. I could point to many Chinese government policies that i could say are part of the current cold war with the US without backing it up and it would be just as credible as what you said. Opinion is not a source, and not proof. You assume that the US government is racist, that this policy is racist and yet we have had travel bans imposed on other countries, as well as testing required for travelers from other countries imposed before, and other policies and so has China. For goodness sake China has been closed to foreigners for almost 3 years, and is still closed to foreign travel until January 2023. Is that a racist policy as well?", ">\n\nHere we go again.\nThis time I think I'll learn French cooking.", ">\n\n5000 People a day will have to die before Anybody says the word Lock down in the States ever again.", ">\n\nDon’t understand why people can’t handle staying at home for two weeks when it could potentially eradicate a deadly virus. Are we that weak?", ">\n\nWe did that in large part in March 2020. And did China not spend years locking down their citizens? \nPeoples savings are gone. They need to work. \nWearing a mask would do a lot to help the issue but people aren’t willing to do that anymore.", ">\n\nWe didn't do that though. We didn't all lock down when we were supposed to. Where I work I had to go in from the very start all the way through. Most people, the majority of people, didn't stay home even if they didn't have work. Most people didn't fuck with masks or keeping a distance, and even people who weren't antivaccers didn't take the vaccine seriously for the longest time. \nWe had no fucking lock down, unless you were a well-off celebrity or comedian who wanted to talk about being locked down for content. \nIf people legit locked down, they would have taken a small hit financially, but too many people didn't do shit and prolonged everything.", ">\n\nThe things is that it doesn't take long to drain peoples saving - becuase the overwhelming majority of people have practically none. \nSo an extended lockdown was never feasible unless the government was willing to pay several trillion dollars of expenses, not just 2 or 3 times but several times over.", ">\n\nI didn't dispute any of what you said. I pointed out that most people actively contested any safety measure and most people didn't actually lock down. Any extension will almost certainly be the fault of most of those people. \nI'd gladly let them all die if it meant the few people who did take things seriously didn't have to live through a Walking Dead scenario or have to take a huge financial hit because them.", ">\n\nMost people did lock down just fine initially. After a few weeks turned into a month or more, yeah people got testy.\nAdditionally, a gigantic amount of people work in critical industries and simply cant stay home. Just keeping the lights and water on requires tens of millions of workers, plus industries like plants and refineries that simply cannot shut down without massive long-term consequences.\nReddit is full of office people who can WFH, the vast majority of people cant.", ">\n\nI was one of those who couldn't stay home. Right out of the gate most people gave up on almost all of it except when they were making a show of complying when they had to. There was a lot of cheating. I walk through a lot of different areas. The waves of patients and bodies we got at work tracked with that and became predictable.", ">\n\nWhat’s that saying that ends with ”…doomed to repeat it?”", ">\n\nWhy not just require a negative test from everyone?", ">\n\nWho would you expect to pay for that?", ">\n\nGovernments or sponsors from the private sector ideally, I honestly don’t give a fuck. I’ve gotten many free tests from both and I’ve also bought some for like $8.", ">\n\n“Here we go again” from everyone in the comments. \nThe virus never stopped, we did.", ">\n\nVirus will always be there. Permanent restrictions are unsustainable", ">\n\n3 years later...\nIs this permanent?", ">\n\nI doubt there's anything that would make Republicans running in 2024 happier then Democrats advocating for a return to COVID restrictions.", ">\n\nRight? It’d be like the democrats fighting for gun control, or gay and trans rights, or safe and legal abortions. It would be political suicide to stand for something that Republicans don’t like!", ">\n\nMy understanding is that everything you listed is broadly popular or has at least a majority of American's in favor of it. A return to COVID restrictions is not in that category.", ">\n\nGun control isn’t even universally loved amongst the American left, as the hard left needs them for protection from the hard right they clash with, and the middle left does like having their guns taken as much as any middle right wing does, only mid left likes it", ">\n\nGallup has 57% of Americans feeling that in general gun laws should be more strict.", ">\n\nRegular people want kids to stop dying while in school. The problem is \"stricter laws\" is vague and no one can agree on what it means or give a serious proposal that would work, short of confiscation and bans, which are wildly unpopular.", ">\n\nVague political talking points is the best we’re going to get. Much as I’d love a Ross Perot style of breaking down every platform and promise, the general public doesn’t go for it. Buzz words are all we have the attention span for.", ">\n\nChina's COVID-19 surge raises odds of new coronavirus variants\nThings could get very ugly.", ">\n\nYou say this like covid hasn't been spreading rampantly through literally every country on the planet, mostly without any measures to stop the spread. Why does China get a different treatment and maybe countries should require tests from the US or Inida or Europe?", ">\n\nI agree. US was primarily the culprit of why COVID went rampant to begin with. We actively refused to enforce any sort of safety measures, just a mild suggestion of \"maybe wear a mask, if you want to, it's ok if you don't\" and \"we have vaccines if you want one, no pressure tho\". That was really our response to the world's deadliest pandemic.", ">\n\nWe actively made fun of zero covid approaches on reddit and now based on the comments on this thread we are suddenly pro “zero covid” approaches", ">\n\nEveryone finally watched contagion", ">\n\nSo far my 2023 bingo card is reading alooot of skull and crossbones, I think I might actually win at something next year, what does your score card look like?", ">\n\nWhen’s that $1200 going to hit my account?", ">\n\nI’m still living off mine from last time!", ">\n\nI’m still looking for mine", ">\n\nI’m waiting for that $600 bucks from Biden still, but that’s going right into my retirement!", ">\n\nYou dont get he meant to include any money you already received as well /s", ">\n\nI seem to remember campaign ads with $2000 checks.", ">\n\nYep they explicitly mentioned $2,000 checks.", ">\n\nMy comment was sarcasm but in retrospect there are so many neoliberals saying that word for word in all seriousness that I should and will add a sarcasm tag", ">\n\nThat's nice and all, but let's not act like we're not just ignoring our own COVID problems.", ">\n\n\n\"You don't have zero tolerance anymore? We can't tolerate that.\"\n\n- Country with 100% tolerance", ">\n\nWhy not require a negative COVID test from everyone entering the country? It’s like they don’t want COVID to be under control.", ">\n\nI think this is because China has a relatively low vaccination rate because they relied on lock downs. Now that lock downs are being ramped down, they are having a huge surge.", ">\n\nThe vaccination rate in China is considerably higher than the US (92% vs 81%). This is just another example of yellow peril", ">\n\nThank you for pointing this out. What I said above was wrong about the vaccination rate. I don’t know why exactly China is having a surge. 🤷‍♂️", ">\n\nTheir vaccination rate is high but their vaccine, SinoVac is based on old tech. It conveys effectively zero protection from variants when compared to all the other types of vaccines on the market.", ">\n\nYou guys are so full of shit. At 3 doses Sinovac gives the same protection as any western vaccine with boosters to help mitigate mutated variants. Stop spreading misinfo.", ">\n\n\"Does that thumbnail of someone getting tested read too much like 'screaming uselessly into the void'?\"\n\"I'm sure it'll be fine.\"", ">\n\nMaybe, just maybe they shouldnt have stopped testing airplane passengers in the first place... \nWe have cheap, readily available tests that take 10 minutes to complete. There’s really no reason not to test ever passenger before boarding...", ">\n\nEveryone I know who had Omicron tested negative until their symptoms cleared. It was evading the RATs, for some reason.", ">\n\nI tested positive on a rapid test two days after getting congested. Every teacher coworker of mine who bothered to test after getting cold symptoms also did. I think it's why so few parents now test their kids before sending time to school sick. They don't want to know so we all find out when we or our family members then test positive, missing work on their sick kids' behalf so they didn't have to. \nI have also heard the rapid test can give false negatives but anecdotal references don't mean much.", ">\n\nA day late and a dollar short. Same old song and dance.", ">\n\nWow, it’s like history literally repeating itself.", ">\n\nIndeed it is. I hope everyone is prepared for what’s next.", ">\n\nWe should require negative COVID tests for people to fly within the US, too.\nIt makes no difference to me if the person who infects me at LAX is coming in from China, or from Texas.", ">\n\nThere is a high chance anyone that comes from China has Covid right now. Low chance that someone inside America has.", ">\n\nNaw. China’s percent is much higher, sure, but it’s not like US infection rates are low. You can pretty much guarantee an infected American on every sold out domestic flight. The latest variants are super, super contagious, and it only takes one infected person to pose a serious risk to the other people sharing their space, and then all of their families and friends after they land. All flights should still require testing and masking at this point, or all we’ve really accomplished is pacifying the dimwits and xenophobes.\nI know at least 3 people who 100% contracted COVID while flying domestically in the US this last month - because they were isolated for the incubation period beforehand. They were masked the entire time they were in the airport and on the plane.", ">\n\nIf they were masked up and I assume vaccinated and still caught the virus then preventable measures like these aren’t that effective.", ">\n\nIs there a new strain of Covid that isn't in the U.S yet, otherwise what's the point.", ">\n\nUm testing should not ever stop.", ">\n\nAh shit here we go again", ">\n\n\"Who left the fridge open?\"", ">\n\nIt's \"just a cold\" unless it's a non-white person from another country carrying it.\n/s", ">\n\nChina implemented an ineffective vaccine and had 30m+ cases in one day. It’s specifically that gov. refusing to use effective vaccines", ">\n\nAnd the United States had effective vaccines that half the country is not willing to nor willing to wear masks, while complaining to other countries like China about their travel restrictions (from China and Hong Kong). And honestly I’m not oppose to a tighter restriction on China while they are experiencing a surge in new cases just as it did with any other countries that initially loosen covid restrictions, what makes me question this being race or politically motivated is the hypocrisy; people complained about China being oppressive when it was enforcing all the covid restrictions and when they loosen it “China doesn’t care about human lives”.\nSo what exactly do you want them to do?", ">\n\n\nto Require Negative Covid Tests for Travelers From China\n\nLuckily China is well known for its systemic unwillingness to fake or counterfeit things, so everything should be fine.\nhonest.", ">\n\nSeems purely retaliatory with no actual effectiveness.\nEnforcement is over a week away and presumably China has hit its peak already (flights being 40% positive)", ">\n\nThe rich rats are going to buy fake tests and jump ship breaking quarantine just like they did in the first wave. Cutting flights or enforcing quarantines is the only way to prevent this stuff from jumping oceans but god forbid anybody inhibit the jet setters.", ">\n\nHALF of the passengers on a plane from China going to Italy tested positive the other day (tested on arrival). Chances are most if not all of them had negative test results they could show that they took before they left. This won't do anything to stop people coming into the US while positive..we are going to have to go through this all over again and we won't have the same somewhat cooperative response in the US this time if it is a variant that evades immunity... It will get REALLY bad.", ">\n\nSeriously they know red states will just let them in and will never do another shut down again. So start dealt with out break countries this way to slow it down or corner it. But I see very very bad days ahead for China and Russia is starting to report out breaks too.", ">\n\nMust. When?", ">\n\nWe already require this from canada iirc\nEdit: i was wrong, canada requires it from us.", ">\n\nI hope we are talking PCR tests... those store-bought 15-minute ones struggle to get a positive if you have any sort of vaccination, even while symptomatic and miserable.", ">\n\nWell, a little bit of good news. I'll take it.", ">\n\nTravel should have been 100$ restricted a long time ago. Travel should be restricted to any country experiencing a COVID outbreak.", ">\n\nWonderful. Another round of Asian hating.", ">\n\nWho's hating on Asians? We're trying to stop this virus from killing people.", ">\n\nor… ban flights from china??", ">\n\nDoesn’t make sense in singling out China when covid is widespread in every single country", ">\n\nThe extent of covid in china atm is just absurd. Two weeks ago, they had 37 MILLION cases in one day. Think about that. Thats more people than a lot of countries! \nsource", ">\n\nI wonder why China has so much trouble with COVID compared to other countries, despite being so strict.", ">\n\nIt’s because they had the zero covid approaches that people are advocating for in this thread and they suddenly reversed course. Everyone in China is getting it so fast its likely the same variants quickly spreading in a population that suddenly reversed course. Having many people getting it over time and exposed to new generations of the virus (which is what happens over time) is more insidious but people here think thats fine", ">\n\nEveryone saying this is racist, do not pay attention to the world", ">\n\nIt was called racist and xenophobic when Trump did it. The left are hypocritical emotional wrecks.", ">\n\nnah trump was racist or did you forget he called it the “china virus” and subsequent hate crimes increased against adians", ">\n\nLet’s not change the subject. We’re talking about testing travelers from China here. Always trying to deflect.", ">\n\nIs that what he did, though? That and nothing else? This is a Fox News headline, but I bet there's a lot more to it. There usually is.\nFYI, Italy is also requiring testing of travelers from China at this time.\nBecause of the high number of cases in China at this time.", ">\n\nSo many dumb replies here. I am sad about where humankind is at.", ">\n\nRound two people", ">\n\nWe need to ramp up testing again at border.", ">\n\nChina trying to stop Covid…lol! Fail miserably at that, build a huge infected population, then unleash it on the world. Great job China /s", ">\n\nSell then the Moderna vaccine so they can treat themselves, ans end this debacle.", ">\n\nEven if US send Moderna and Phizer vaccine, China will not use it, because they boast about \"superior\" Chinese vaccine and don't want to lose face.\n​\nUntil they change their attitude, I suggest keeping restriction in place for PRC travelers.", ">\n\nOh definitely.", ">\n\nCCP exporting covid again.", ">\n\nPaywall - can anyone help me read the article? It sounds great in theory but why wait so long? That’s how this all started in 2020. Test now!", ">\n\nChina has been in quarantine until the protests. They have a very low of vaccinated people, so now everyone's breathing on each other's necks, squeezing in tight places and now introducing another pandemic. \nI believe a combination of everyone quarantined for too long and non vaccinated people are making this a very deadly spread.", ">\n\nTheir vaccination rate is not too bad, except among the elderly. But their vaccine was shit even before all the variants.\nThey've been trying to use lockdown to prevent spread and with the new variants that just won't work.\nSo yeah, they're pretty fucked.", ">\n\nVaccination rate is good, but the rate of people who are up to date on boosters is where they fall short even beyond just the elderly. It also doesn't help that the vaccine being used is overall less effective than the ones being used elsewhere like you said. Makes those booster shots many are lacking even more critical.", ">\n\nApparently Americans only get worried when it’s Chinese people spreading Covid as opposed to their own residents, citizens and Europeans.", ">\n\nseems xenophobic /s", ">\n\noh I'm sure conservatives will be very concerned about the \"freedoms\" of those travelers from China", ">\n\nHow's this going to work for the 75% of all our manufactured goods coming in from China?", ">\n\nThank God Biden is doing this if it was Trump they call him racist .", ">\n\nTrump admin did this and it was hailed as a great idea, because it was. And is.\nWho tf cares who the man or president is when it comes to health? Why are some people like this?", ">\n\nYou know that wasnt true.", ">\n\nWhy would they make a move that would indisputably send hundreds of thousands of infected into the wider world including those that may wind up being infected with a new variant or two? \nCan we at least conclude that China does not care about this possibility? Is that verboten to say?\nCan an axiomatically correct statement still result in a ban?", ">\n\nSounds kinda racist.", ">\n\nMakes absolute sense considering what's currently going on there. Canada should do the same. I'll even go as far as say suspend visas / entry from that part of the world temporarily, until they can get it under control", ">\n\nMakes sense. China is exploding with covid and who knows if/when the next bad variant develops there.", ">\n\nLmao Reddit enjoying their shut in lives so much I’d rather jump off the tallest bridge near me before going into lockdowns again.", ">\n\nXenophobia", ">\n\nXenophobic Biden", ">\n\nPeople are acting like Covid stopped spreading in the US… The US just decided to ignore it, that is until China gained more cases, and now it’s back to fear mongering Chinese people. I see that xenophobia is still alive and well in the US.", ">\n\nMy family and I caught covid during Thanksgiving after being careful for two years. Fortunately, we're all vaccinated so the symptoms didn't hit us too hard. We just got lax with being careful, but we'll probably be wearing our masks in crowded places just to be safe.", ">\n\nI never stopped wearing masks in the US while going to stores. The reality is we have had waves of Covid here in the US, and we have had different mutations of variants too.", ">\n\nThats racist. Biden should be ashamed of himself for allowing such bigotry and hatred towards our Chinese brethren.", ">\n\nThis applies to anyone traveling from China, not just the Chinese.", ">\n\nI wouldn’t think another country was rascist if the USA had a huge surge and temporarily suspended flights to:from the USA until the numbers came down.", ">\n\nSame biological warfare when westerners were entering into China in 2022?", ">\n\n50 Cent army, out in full force!", ">\n\nWhy are we letting anyone in from China?", ">\n\nCitizens and most permanent residents cannot be refused admission.", ">\n\nOh, here we go again.", ">\n\nKind of ironic seeing how the US has worse cases lmao", ">\n\nUS will keep up the bio attacks until the world complies with their foreign policy. Which is to keep China from becoming a threat to its hegemony", ">\n\nWeird how we can’t make our own citizens mask or test but we can make sure travelers from other places do \nWild how absolutely absurd the timeline we’re living in js", ">\n\nGood. We should not allow anyone from any country the opportunity to enter our country without proof.", ">\n\nIt’s not xenophobia, it’s (D)ifferent this time. Maybe if they let trump try this in the first place", ">\n\nThis just adds fuel to racist anti-Asian sentiment in the US. What about all the people on the plane with Chinese travelers who aren't Chinese? If the situation warrants testing of anyone, it warrants testing of everyone.", ">\n\nThis is just politics. Do we really want to pretend we don’t have an overwhelming amount of COVID cases right now in America? Everyone knows most people don’t test unless they’re very sick (which is rare now) and most who even do test use at home tests and don’t report the results. Can we really just not admit to ourselves as a nation that for the overwhelming majority of people COVID no longer poses a serious threat? Hospitalization, death and long COVID are statistically insignificant for healthy vaccinated individuals at this point I don’t see why anyone can see this as anymore than political posturing.", ">\n\nWelcome to the virtue signaling zone.", ">\n\nWell ??? Why wouldn't we check considering their outbreak is significant. Seriously was this a question ?", ">\n\nChina’s authoritarian regime locked down their country for years… this contained rhe virus until mass protests as well as international condemnations. So I believe Chinese govt is teaching their citizens a lesson. Let them roam free and allow international travel into the country. Let them get severely ill and die. Then they will acknowledge and apologize to the government. This type of reverse psychology isn’t new.", ">\n\nWe the People require a vigilant health care approach to our borders at the expense of [Pure Greed] from those who capitalize on what ails us\nWe the People demand all institutions do a readiness check \nAt which time We the People can demand a Meeting of the Continental Congress to address the state of our union, to reboot the principles and powers of the American Constitution and Bill of Rights, to re instate the neutral balance of power in the houses and senate of all levels of our current government[ one party control is not the operation of the United States of America 🇺🇸]", ">\n\nIf only we had this kind of foresight 3 years ago… we could have avoided this whole mess.", ">\n\nAnd Trump was called xenophobic when we asked for the same thing", ">\n\nExactly", ">\n\nWe should have another global 2020-tier lockdown period, imo. Work at home, way less flights active etc.", ">\n\nAnd millions of people, children, the most disadvantaged would die and suffer", ">\n\nI feel like they need to extend this restriction to all of Europe as well. It’s already spread outside of China.", ">\n\nSo I’m guessing it’s not racist now that Biden is doing it.", ">\n\nAgeeed", ">\n\nSome will get through. We may be in trouble.", ">\n\nIt's a racist policy. Why not ban people from Florida from traveling to the rest of the US? What's the difference?", ">\n\nThe scientific and medical community believe China is headed for another outbreak so this step is a must", ">\n\nCanadian here. I traveled from Toronto's Pearson International airport to the U S in November for Thanksgiving and the majority of travelers going through security were, I'd guess, Chinese carrying passports from that country, most not wearing masks. I don't really know if they were Canadian citizens or not but their passports definitely were not.", ">\n\nYet banning travel from China back in 2019-2020 was racist and xenophobic . No wonder the public has no confidence in the government.", ">\n\nI can’t believe the Biden admin actually went through this. They’re testing them just because they’re Chinese??? That is so racist smh", ">\n\nThis applies to anyone coming from China, not just Chinese citizens. It’s based on the ongoing outbreak, not their race.", ">\n\nWell it’s still racist to assume anyone from China is infected just because of where they’re coming from", ">\n\nIt’s not racist at all. “Coming from China” is not a race. They will test everyone on the plane regardless of demographics.", ">\n\nWhich is racist though. It’s the same thing Trump did by banning anyone coming from China. Why don’t they ban everyone coming from Japan? India? South Korea? Thailand? Etc? Why just the Chinese smh.", ">\n\nDamn that’s so racist #stopasianhate", ">\n\n2019 into 2020 all over again. \nAt least China has a strict ban on flights...\nOh", ">\n\nI don't think that's on China. I don't remember US banning any flights abroad during any of our surges?", ">\n\nI also don't remember the US being the origin of covid. \nChina has a special responsibility as a nation that fucked up and let covid grow out of control and escape its boundaries to not open up the export of viral vectors at the height of their crisis.\nCCP incompetence and mendacity has done enough already that they need to go above and beyond to keep shit as much as possible within their own borders.", ">\n\nThe fucks the point of that? They could be exposed, test negative and pop positive while they’re here or anywhere. Negative test doesn’t mean shit.", ">\n\nRayciss", ">\n\nThe government should require it for all airline passengers. Chinese travelers infected with COVID 19 are going to go to other countries too and some of those people will fly here. Likewise, there should be a requirement for all Americans going abroad so the U.S. doesn't spread COVID 19 to other countries.", ">\n\nChina the base screams, even democrats, the great enemy of this era. If England had a surge, nobody would be screaming for negative tests.", ">\n\nInconsiderate assholes", ">\n\nThat’s racist and anti Asian", ">\n\nHasn’t almost everyone in the US had it at this point? It’s like forbidding lighters in a forest that was recently burned down.", ">\n\nStop Asian Hate?", ">\n\nI feel that this is very anti Asian if it’s only for them.", ">\n\nThis is racism", ">\n\nIt’s prevention. There is a difference.", ">\n\nThere sure wasn't when Trump was president", ">\n\nThat's rich", ">\n\nMy man is getting ready to throat the fuck out that swab in the pic", ">\n\nfreedumb convoy assemble", ">\n\num no photo thanks", ">\n\nTbf each Chinese citizen is considered a weapon lol pass on the XiFlu and CCP gets bodies on USA streets. \nSolution 4 weeks isolation for each citizen in any nation that they have to pay for regardless of the financial situation (if you have no money how do you expect to live…) then request all citizens to give up their devices so CCP can’t track them. \nFirst phone can be given to them without a credit check on the GOV", ">\n\nYeah. They removed the restrictions because the citizens wanted freedom.", ">\n\nSuper xenophobic of Biden.", ">\n\nThat photo is foul lol", ">\n\nThroat swabs are in??? What about the nose?", ">\n\nThey swabbed his nose with it first, checking to see if he has a sense of taste left is step two.", ">\n\nUh" ]
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China is getting problems: More countries will want negative tests before allowing entrance from China.
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> Is this because the rules work and it is making the rest of China look bad?
[ "China is getting problems: More countries will want negative tests before allowing entrance from China." ]
> Rules in HK were always a lot more lax than the mainland, and they had a really big wave of infections around Feb with omicron. So for most of the year HK has just had a steady stream of infections, basically already at the "living with covid" stage so the rules that were still in place were kind of pointless.
[ "China is getting problems: More countries will want negative tests before allowing entrance from China.", ">\n\nIs this because the rules work and it is making the rest of China look bad?" ]
> That’s one way to have biological warfare.
[ "China is getting problems: More countries will want negative tests before allowing entrance from China.", ">\n\nIs this because the rules work and it is making the rest of China look bad?", ">\n\nRules in HK were always a lot more lax than the mainland, and they had a really big wave of infections around Feb with omicron. So for most of the year HK has just had a steady stream of infections, basically already at the \"living with covid\" stage so the rules that were still in place were kind of pointless." ]
> Is that why the west went about business as usual when omicron was first discovered?
[ "China is getting problems: More countries will want negative tests before allowing entrance from China.", ">\n\nIs this because the rules work and it is making the rest of China look bad?", ">\n\nRules in HK were always a lot more lax than the mainland, and they had a really big wave of infections around Feb with omicron. So for most of the year HK has just had a steady stream of infections, basically already at the \"living with covid\" stage so the rules that were still in place were kind of pointless.", ">\n\nThat’s one way to have biological warfare." ]
> Don't let logic get in the way of their xenophobia.
[ "China is getting problems: More countries will want negative tests before allowing entrance from China.", ">\n\nIs this because the rules work and it is making the rest of China look bad?", ">\n\nRules in HK were always a lot more lax than the mainland, and they had a really big wave of infections around Feb with omicron. So for most of the year HK has just had a steady stream of infections, basically already at the \"living with covid\" stage so the rules that were still in place were kind of pointless.", ">\n\nThat’s one way to have biological warfare.", ">\n\nIs that why the west went about business as usual when omicron was first discovered?" ]
> What the fuck ever. Part of the issue and the main reason China kept the lockdowns in place is the vaccine they developed just isn't effective. Studies put it's effectiveness at 1/3rd of the effectiveness of western vaccines. China had mandatory vaccinations the west didn't. In most western counties though they experienced some form of lockdown they never experienced anything near what China has done and while lockdowns work to an extent you need an effective vaccine to get you out of a permanent lockdown. The fear now is China spreading a new variant that makes western vaccines non-effective and putting the world back to square one or worse. Also Russian vaccines weren't anywhere near as effective as western ones but Russia has cut itself off from the rest of the world via the Ukraine war and people are more likely to die from combat than COVID. In the coming decades Russia will face a horrible population crisis with the loss of so many due to disease and war.
[ "China is getting problems: More countries will want negative tests before allowing entrance from China.", ">\n\nIs this because the rules work and it is making the rest of China look bad?", ">\n\nRules in HK were always a lot more lax than the mainland, and they had a really big wave of infections around Feb with omicron. So for most of the year HK has just had a steady stream of infections, basically already at the \"living with covid\" stage so the rules that were still in place were kind of pointless.", ">\n\nThat’s one way to have biological warfare.", ">\n\nIs that why the west went about business as usual when omicron was first discovered?", ">\n\nDon't let logic get in the way of their xenophobia." ]
> That is a crazy amount of misinformation in one comment.
[ "China is getting problems: More countries will want negative tests before allowing entrance from China.", ">\n\nIs this because the rules work and it is making the rest of China look bad?", ">\n\nRules in HK were always a lot more lax than the mainland, and they had a really big wave of infections around Feb with omicron. So for most of the year HK has just had a steady stream of infections, basically already at the \"living with covid\" stage so the rules that were still in place were kind of pointless.", ">\n\nThat’s one way to have biological warfare.", ">\n\nIs that why the west went about business as usual when omicron was first discovered?", ">\n\nDon't let logic get in the way of their xenophobia.", ">\n\nWhat the fuck ever. Part of the issue and the main reason China kept the lockdowns in place is the vaccine they developed just isn't effective. Studies put it's effectiveness at 1/3rd of the effectiveness of western vaccines. China had mandatory vaccinations the west didn't. In most western counties though they experienced some form of lockdown they never experienced anything near what China has done and while lockdowns work to an extent you need an effective vaccine to get you out of a permanent lockdown. The fear now is China spreading a new variant that makes western vaccines non-effective and putting the world back to square one or worse. Also Russian vaccines weren't anywhere near as effective as western ones but Russia has cut itself off from the rest of the world via the Ukraine war and people are more likely to die from combat than COVID. In the coming decades Russia will face a horrible population crisis with the loss of so many due to disease and war." ]
> says the guy who only comments on covid news articles
[ "China is getting problems: More countries will want negative tests before allowing entrance from China.", ">\n\nIs this because the rules work and it is making the rest of China look bad?", ">\n\nRules in HK were always a lot more lax than the mainland, and they had a really big wave of infections around Feb with omicron. So for most of the year HK has just had a steady stream of infections, basically already at the \"living with covid\" stage so the rules that were still in place were kind of pointless.", ">\n\nThat’s one way to have biological warfare.", ">\n\nIs that why the west went about business as usual when omicron was first discovered?", ">\n\nDon't let logic get in the way of their xenophobia.", ">\n\nWhat the fuck ever. Part of the issue and the main reason China kept the lockdowns in place is the vaccine they developed just isn't effective. Studies put it's effectiveness at 1/3rd of the effectiveness of western vaccines. China had mandatory vaccinations the west didn't. In most western counties though they experienced some form of lockdown they never experienced anything near what China has done and while lockdowns work to an extent you need an effective vaccine to get you out of a permanent lockdown. The fear now is China spreading a new variant that makes western vaccines non-effective and putting the world back to square one or worse. Also Russian vaccines weren't anywhere near as effective as western ones but Russia has cut itself off from the rest of the world via the Ukraine war and people are more likely to die from combat than COVID. In the coming decades Russia will face a horrible population crisis with the loss of so many due to disease and war.", ">\n\nThat is a crazy amount of misinformation in one comment." ]
> I can see no possible downside to this, none at all...
[ "China is getting problems: More countries will want negative tests before allowing entrance from China.", ">\n\nIs this because the rules work and it is making the rest of China look bad?", ">\n\nRules in HK were always a lot more lax than the mainland, and they had a really big wave of infections around Feb with omicron. So for most of the year HK has just had a steady stream of infections, basically already at the \"living with covid\" stage so the rules that were still in place were kind of pointless.", ">\n\nThat’s one way to have biological warfare.", ">\n\nIs that why the west went about business as usual when omicron was first discovered?", ">\n\nDon't let logic get in the way of their xenophobia.", ">\n\nWhat the fuck ever. Part of the issue and the main reason China kept the lockdowns in place is the vaccine they developed just isn't effective. Studies put it's effectiveness at 1/3rd of the effectiveness of western vaccines. China had mandatory vaccinations the west didn't. In most western counties though they experienced some form of lockdown they never experienced anything near what China has done and while lockdowns work to an extent you need an effective vaccine to get you out of a permanent lockdown. The fear now is China spreading a new variant that makes western vaccines non-effective and putting the world back to square one or worse. Also Russian vaccines weren't anywhere near as effective as western ones but Russia has cut itself off from the rest of the world via the Ukraine war and people are more likely to die from combat than COVID. In the coming decades Russia will face a horrible population crisis with the loss of so many due to disease and war.", ">\n\nThat is a crazy amount of misinformation in one comment.", ">\n\nsays the guy who only comments on covid news articles" ]
> Okay I guess I haven't been following that closely. How did their situation get so bad when I thought they had the most restrictive covid/lock down procedures?
[ "China is getting problems: More countries will want negative tests before allowing entrance from China.", ">\n\nIs this because the rules work and it is making the rest of China look bad?", ">\n\nRules in HK were always a lot more lax than the mainland, and they had a really big wave of infections around Feb with omicron. So for most of the year HK has just had a steady stream of infections, basically already at the \"living with covid\" stage so the rules that were still in place were kind of pointless.", ">\n\nThat’s one way to have biological warfare.", ">\n\nIs that why the west went about business as usual when omicron was first discovered?", ">\n\nDon't let logic get in the way of their xenophobia.", ">\n\nWhat the fuck ever. Part of the issue and the main reason China kept the lockdowns in place is the vaccine they developed just isn't effective. Studies put it's effectiveness at 1/3rd of the effectiveness of western vaccines. China had mandatory vaccinations the west didn't. In most western counties though they experienced some form of lockdown they never experienced anything near what China has done and while lockdowns work to an extent you need an effective vaccine to get you out of a permanent lockdown. The fear now is China spreading a new variant that makes western vaccines non-effective and putting the world back to square one or worse. Also Russian vaccines weren't anywhere near as effective as western ones but Russia has cut itself off from the rest of the world via the Ukraine war and people are more likely to die from combat than COVID. In the coming decades Russia will face a horrible population crisis with the loss of so many due to disease and war.", ">\n\nThat is a crazy amount of misinformation in one comment.", ">\n\nsays the guy who only comments on covid news articles", ">\n\nI can see no possible downside to this, none at all..." ]
> HK had different rules than China at large. China manufactured their own vaccine, and it wasn't very effective. China also instituted very long, draconian lockdowns, and eventually people broke and started rioting, ending said lockdowns. China is now a covid shit storm.
[ "China is getting problems: More countries will want negative tests before allowing entrance from China.", ">\n\nIs this because the rules work and it is making the rest of China look bad?", ">\n\nRules in HK were always a lot more lax than the mainland, and they had a really big wave of infections around Feb with omicron. So for most of the year HK has just had a steady stream of infections, basically already at the \"living with covid\" stage so the rules that were still in place were kind of pointless.", ">\n\nThat’s one way to have biological warfare.", ">\n\nIs that why the west went about business as usual when omicron was first discovered?", ">\n\nDon't let logic get in the way of their xenophobia.", ">\n\nWhat the fuck ever. Part of the issue and the main reason China kept the lockdowns in place is the vaccine they developed just isn't effective. Studies put it's effectiveness at 1/3rd of the effectiveness of western vaccines. China had mandatory vaccinations the west didn't. In most western counties though they experienced some form of lockdown they never experienced anything near what China has done and while lockdowns work to an extent you need an effective vaccine to get you out of a permanent lockdown. The fear now is China spreading a new variant that makes western vaccines non-effective and putting the world back to square one or worse. Also Russian vaccines weren't anywhere near as effective as western ones but Russia has cut itself off from the rest of the world via the Ukraine war and people are more likely to die from combat than COVID. In the coming decades Russia will face a horrible population crisis with the loss of so many due to disease and war.", ">\n\nThat is a crazy amount of misinformation in one comment.", ">\n\nsays the guy who only comments on covid news articles", ">\n\nI can see no possible downside to this, none at all...", ">\n\nOkay I guess I haven't been following that closely. How did their situation get so bad when I thought they had the most restrictive covid/lock down procedures?" ]