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Short response: good. Longer response? Goooooooooooooooood.
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"At one point, Croft told allies: “I don’t like seeing anybody get killed either. But you don’t make an omelet without breaking a few eggs, you know what I mean?”\n\nI’ve never heard someone compassionate, full of empathy doing good for the world pull out that saying. It’s always someone trying to minimize some bullshit.",
">\n\nEvil is banal and mundane. As Hannah Arendt observes in her book Eichmann in Jerusalem, evil people like that use stock phrases and self-invented clichés, including ... you don’t make an omelet without breaking a few eggs ..., to justify their behaviour and lack of critical thinking. People delude themselves into believing they're genuinely good, righteous people.",
">\n\nYep, no one thinks \"muahaha, I am evil!\"",
">\n\nI mean, there’s some people that do. There was a certain subset of Nazis working in the prison camps who knew exactly what was going on, and genuinely enjoyed being there. Same with the Christian missionaries who enacted genocide on the natives - there were priests and nuns in those Catholic schools who willfully abused (and even murdered) kids. \nGenuine psychopaths exist. They’re the minority, but they’re out there. The “banality of evil” problem is that the Nazis and the Catholic church set up entire systems that protected and enabled them.",
">\n\nThe torturers during the inquisition LOVED their work. They got points for doing Gods work and the further blessing of women to rape in ingenuous ways.",
">\n\nLet Croft and Fox rot for the next decade and a half. We’ll see how militant they are when they’re in their late 60s and have aged in the US prison system.",
">\n\nProbably…. More so?",
">\n\nMore so, but no one will go near them. A plot like that, they won't be able to walk past a laptop without the FBI knowing where they are after they're out. No one in their right mind would bring them back into their group.",
">\n\nImagine being so angry at being made to wear masks indoors, you plot to kill a government official, and will now spend the rest of your productive life behind bars ( he's 47 now). All because of having to wear a mask in Wal-Mart!",
">\n\nWhen you lose your freedoms because you don't understand your freedoms.",
">\n\nLoosing your freedoms because you stood up for your freedums…..",
">\n\nThis was a good one",
">\n\nNot really",
">\n\nYesterday the guy who was sentenced looked like a potato and this one looks like the kind of guy who would throw rocks at you for walking near his gold digging spot",
">\n\nGrew up in Michigan. Me: \"Shit, I think I know that guy...oh good, no, it's just his doppelganger.\" Both f-ing times.",
">\n\nSame. My first fear was that at least one of them would turn out to be a family member. Thankfully none... but many look awfully familiar.",
">\n\nProbably about time to take down the “My governor is an idiot” yard signs, Michiganders.",
">\n\nFinding out intensifies……",
">\n\n“(Defense attorney) Blanchard, who got emotional in the courtroom when speaking about Croft’s three children, told reporters outside the courthouse that the sentence means Croft will not get to see his kids grow up.”\nWell, when you try to kidnap and assassinate a governor because you don’t want to wear a mask or stay 6’ away from people because of a fucking pandemic, bad things end up happening to you. \n“Blanchard also maintained that Croft wasn’t the “ideas guy” he’s been portrayed as. He insisted that “most of what Mr. Croft said was excluded because the government didn’t want the jury to hear it.” “\nYeah, it’s not that the “government didn’t want the jury to hear it”. Court doesn’t work that way. The defense attorney didn’t get the testimony excluded. If Croft had a better attorney he might have gotten off, or a lighter sentence. \nThis Blanchard puke is as bad as the felons he represented. Crybaby failure all the way around…",
">\n\nHim not seeing his kids is probably the best thing for them. We don’t need more copies of him.",
">\n\nLooks like that \"the FBI are the ones who suggested it to us and egged us on\" defense didn't hold up.",
">\n\nBecause it was a lie.",
">\n\nNot on the \"gateway pundit,\" where they throw all kinds of insane, exaggerated reasons for ultra-maga crimes\nthat site is one of my favorite hate reads",
">\n\n\n“This man is fully radicalized. He hasn’t changed his viewpoint,” Kessler added. “He’s not admitting the ideas are wrong because he still holds them. This whole thing was Mr. Croft’s idea.”\n\n-\n\nA different jury in Grand Rapids couldn’t reach a verdict on the pair at the first trial last spring but acquitted two other men.\n\nMan, it sounds more and more like the first trial just had (at least) one Michigan Militia type who would have never convicted on any grounds at all.",
">\n\nI just find it hilarious that this group who claimed they were so aware of big government terror compared to us sheep. ..was infiltrated by a FBI informant rather easily lol.\nI'd say I'd wanna see the movie one day but it's probably just the FBI informant making a Facebook posting down with liberals and he was welcomed with open arms.\nEdit - I just realized that it seems I'm making light of the FBI informants job. I am not. I could not do that job and be looking over my shoulder basically not living my own life for months to years.",
">\n\nIt wasn't even an FBI agent, it was just some former military dude who joined their military gun drill club and heard their very detailed plot to execute cops and told his cop buddy about it. The cop buddy was like, fuck, that sounds real lemme ask the FBI what to do. The FBI told the guy, hey, can you, like, stay friends with them and just kinda let us know if they do anything really crazy like ask where to buy a bomb to blow up a bridge?\nAnd then they were like, shit, we need a bomb to blow up a bridge as a diversion. You were in the military, do you know anyone? And the dude was like, uh, yeah, let me ask my old buddy Fred Ben Iver.",
">\n\nThey need to do some of that kind of work to grab whoever is behind all of the power stations being hit.",
">\n\nIt is very likely it is completely separate groups. The white supremacist movement (which all this antigovernmental stuff right now is part of and/or grew out of), does everything they can to stay autonomous so that if one cell goes down there is no connection. They can spread their ideology and tactics by just putting them out there on certain forums and are never directly involved, yet have the freedom of speech cover.",
">\n\nIts probably going to be a rite of passage, like being jumped into a gang. Except it is also like having a Canadian girlfriend.\nIf you want domestic terrorist clout at the local watering hole you brag, \"You know that electrical substation that got taken out? Not saying I was directly involved, but not necessarily denying either.\"\nTo Law Enforcement you say, \"That's a lie. Ah gots rats!!\"\nSchrodinger's Terrorist.",
">\n\nHe looks like the kinda guy who’d try to buy bank robbery supplies from a pawn shop."
] |
>
Two more 'o' and you'd have one for each year of his sentence.
|
[
"At one point, Croft told allies: “I don’t like seeing anybody get killed either. But you don’t make an omelet without breaking a few eggs, you know what I mean?”\n\nI’ve never heard someone compassionate, full of empathy doing good for the world pull out that saying. It’s always someone trying to minimize some bullshit.",
">\n\nEvil is banal and mundane. As Hannah Arendt observes in her book Eichmann in Jerusalem, evil people like that use stock phrases and self-invented clichés, including ... you don’t make an omelet without breaking a few eggs ..., to justify their behaviour and lack of critical thinking. People delude themselves into believing they're genuinely good, righteous people.",
">\n\nYep, no one thinks \"muahaha, I am evil!\"",
">\n\nI mean, there’s some people that do. There was a certain subset of Nazis working in the prison camps who knew exactly what was going on, and genuinely enjoyed being there. Same with the Christian missionaries who enacted genocide on the natives - there were priests and nuns in those Catholic schools who willfully abused (and even murdered) kids. \nGenuine psychopaths exist. They’re the minority, but they’re out there. The “banality of evil” problem is that the Nazis and the Catholic church set up entire systems that protected and enabled them.",
">\n\nThe torturers during the inquisition LOVED their work. They got points for doing Gods work and the further blessing of women to rape in ingenuous ways.",
">\n\nLet Croft and Fox rot for the next decade and a half. We’ll see how militant they are when they’re in their late 60s and have aged in the US prison system.",
">\n\nProbably…. More so?",
">\n\nMore so, but no one will go near them. A plot like that, they won't be able to walk past a laptop without the FBI knowing where they are after they're out. No one in their right mind would bring them back into their group.",
">\n\nImagine being so angry at being made to wear masks indoors, you plot to kill a government official, and will now spend the rest of your productive life behind bars ( he's 47 now). All because of having to wear a mask in Wal-Mart!",
">\n\nWhen you lose your freedoms because you don't understand your freedoms.",
">\n\nLoosing your freedoms because you stood up for your freedums…..",
">\n\nThis was a good one",
">\n\nNot really",
">\n\nYesterday the guy who was sentenced looked like a potato and this one looks like the kind of guy who would throw rocks at you for walking near his gold digging spot",
">\n\nGrew up in Michigan. Me: \"Shit, I think I know that guy...oh good, no, it's just his doppelganger.\" Both f-ing times.",
">\n\nSame. My first fear was that at least one of them would turn out to be a family member. Thankfully none... but many look awfully familiar.",
">\n\nProbably about time to take down the “My governor is an idiot” yard signs, Michiganders.",
">\n\nFinding out intensifies……",
">\n\n“(Defense attorney) Blanchard, who got emotional in the courtroom when speaking about Croft’s three children, told reporters outside the courthouse that the sentence means Croft will not get to see his kids grow up.”\nWell, when you try to kidnap and assassinate a governor because you don’t want to wear a mask or stay 6’ away from people because of a fucking pandemic, bad things end up happening to you. \n“Blanchard also maintained that Croft wasn’t the “ideas guy” he’s been portrayed as. He insisted that “most of what Mr. Croft said was excluded because the government didn’t want the jury to hear it.” “\nYeah, it’s not that the “government didn’t want the jury to hear it”. Court doesn’t work that way. The defense attorney didn’t get the testimony excluded. If Croft had a better attorney he might have gotten off, or a lighter sentence. \nThis Blanchard puke is as bad as the felons he represented. Crybaby failure all the way around…",
">\n\nHim not seeing his kids is probably the best thing for them. We don’t need more copies of him.",
">\n\nLooks like that \"the FBI are the ones who suggested it to us and egged us on\" defense didn't hold up.",
">\n\nBecause it was a lie.",
">\n\nNot on the \"gateway pundit,\" where they throw all kinds of insane, exaggerated reasons for ultra-maga crimes\nthat site is one of my favorite hate reads",
">\n\n\n“This man is fully radicalized. He hasn’t changed his viewpoint,” Kessler added. “He’s not admitting the ideas are wrong because he still holds them. This whole thing was Mr. Croft’s idea.”\n\n-\n\nA different jury in Grand Rapids couldn’t reach a verdict on the pair at the first trial last spring but acquitted two other men.\n\nMan, it sounds more and more like the first trial just had (at least) one Michigan Militia type who would have never convicted on any grounds at all.",
">\n\nI just find it hilarious that this group who claimed they were so aware of big government terror compared to us sheep. ..was infiltrated by a FBI informant rather easily lol.\nI'd say I'd wanna see the movie one day but it's probably just the FBI informant making a Facebook posting down with liberals and he was welcomed with open arms.\nEdit - I just realized that it seems I'm making light of the FBI informants job. I am not. I could not do that job and be looking over my shoulder basically not living my own life for months to years.",
">\n\nIt wasn't even an FBI agent, it was just some former military dude who joined their military gun drill club and heard their very detailed plot to execute cops and told his cop buddy about it. The cop buddy was like, fuck, that sounds real lemme ask the FBI what to do. The FBI told the guy, hey, can you, like, stay friends with them and just kinda let us know if they do anything really crazy like ask where to buy a bomb to blow up a bridge?\nAnd then they were like, shit, we need a bomb to blow up a bridge as a diversion. You were in the military, do you know anyone? And the dude was like, uh, yeah, let me ask my old buddy Fred Ben Iver.",
">\n\nThey need to do some of that kind of work to grab whoever is behind all of the power stations being hit.",
">\n\nIt is very likely it is completely separate groups. The white supremacist movement (which all this antigovernmental stuff right now is part of and/or grew out of), does everything they can to stay autonomous so that if one cell goes down there is no connection. They can spread their ideology and tactics by just putting them out there on certain forums and are never directly involved, yet have the freedom of speech cover.",
">\n\nIts probably going to be a rite of passage, like being jumped into a gang. Except it is also like having a Canadian girlfriend.\nIf you want domestic terrorist clout at the local watering hole you brag, \"You know that electrical substation that got taken out? Not saying I was directly involved, but not necessarily denying either.\"\nTo Law Enforcement you say, \"That's a lie. Ah gots rats!!\"\nSchrodinger's Terrorist.",
">\n\nHe looks like the kinda guy who’d try to buy bank robbery supplies from a pawn shop.",
">\n\nShort response: good. Longer response? Goooooooooooooooood."
] |
>
Another dumb fuck becomes a burden on taxpayers.
|
[
"At one point, Croft told allies: “I don’t like seeing anybody get killed either. But you don’t make an omelet without breaking a few eggs, you know what I mean?”\n\nI’ve never heard someone compassionate, full of empathy doing good for the world pull out that saying. It’s always someone trying to minimize some bullshit.",
">\n\nEvil is banal and mundane. As Hannah Arendt observes in her book Eichmann in Jerusalem, evil people like that use stock phrases and self-invented clichés, including ... you don’t make an omelet without breaking a few eggs ..., to justify their behaviour and lack of critical thinking. People delude themselves into believing they're genuinely good, righteous people.",
">\n\nYep, no one thinks \"muahaha, I am evil!\"",
">\n\nI mean, there’s some people that do. There was a certain subset of Nazis working in the prison camps who knew exactly what was going on, and genuinely enjoyed being there. Same with the Christian missionaries who enacted genocide on the natives - there were priests and nuns in those Catholic schools who willfully abused (and even murdered) kids. \nGenuine psychopaths exist. They’re the minority, but they’re out there. The “banality of evil” problem is that the Nazis and the Catholic church set up entire systems that protected and enabled them.",
">\n\nThe torturers during the inquisition LOVED their work. They got points for doing Gods work and the further blessing of women to rape in ingenuous ways.",
">\n\nLet Croft and Fox rot for the next decade and a half. We’ll see how militant they are when they’re in their late 60s and have aged in the US prison system.",
">\n\nProbably…. More so?",
">\n\nMore so, but no one will go near them. A plot like that, they won't be able to walk past a laptop without the FBI knowing where they are after they're out. No one in their right mind would bring them back into their group.",
">\n\nImagine being so angry at being made to wear masks indoors, you plot to kill a government official, and will now spend the rest of your productive life behind bars ( he's 47 now). All because of having to wear a mask in Wal-Mart!",
">\n\nWhen you lose your freedoms because you don't understand your freedoms.",
">\n\nLoosing your freedoms because you stood up for your freedums…..",
">\n\nThis was a good one",
">\n\nNot really",
">\n\nYesterday the guy who was sentenced looked like a potato and this one looks like the kind of guy who would throw rocks at you for walking near his gold digging spot",
">\n\nGrew up in Michigan. Me: \"Shit, I think I know that guy...oh good, no, it's just his doppelganger.\" Both f-ing times.",
">\n\nSame. My first fear was that at least one of them would turn out to be a family member. Thankfully none... but many look awfully familiar.",
">\n\nProbably about time to take down the “My governor is an idiot” yard signs, Michiganders.",
">\n\nFinding out intensifies……",
">\n\n“(Defense attorney) Blanchard, who got emotional in the courtroom when speaking about Croft’s three children, told reporters outside the courthouse that the sentence means Croft will not get to see his kids grow up.”\nWell, when you try to kidnap and assassinate a governor because you don’t want to wear a mask or stay 6’ away from people because of a fucking pandemic, bad things end up happening to you. \n“Blanchard also maintained that Croft wasn’t the “ideas guy” he’s been portrayed as. He insisted that “most of what Mr. Croft said was excluded because the government didn’t want the jury to hear it.” “\nYeah, it’s not that the “government didn’t want the jury to hear it”. Court doesn’t work that way. The defense attorney didn’t get the testimony excluded. If Croft had a better attorney he might have gotten off, or a lighter sentence. \nThis Blanchard puke is as bad as the felons he represented. Crybaby failure all the way around…",
">\n\nHim not seeing his kids is probably the best thing for them. We don’t need more copies of him.",
">\n\nLooks like that \"the FBI are the ones who suggested it to us and egged us on\" defense didn't hold up.",
">\n\nBecause it was a lie.",
">\n\nNot on the \"gateway pundit,\" where they throw all kinds of insane, exaggerated reasons for ultra-maga crimes\nthat site is one of my favorite hate reads",
">\n\n\n“This man is fully radicalized. He hasn’t changed his viewpoint,” Kessler added. “He’s not admitting the ideas are wrong because he still holds them. This whole thing was Mr. Croft’s idea.”\n\n-\n\nA different jury in Grand Rapids couldn’t reach a verdict on the pair at the first trial last spring but acquitted two other men.\n\nMan, it sounds more and more like the first trial just had (at least) one Michigan Militia type who would have never convicted on any grounds at all.",
">\n\nI just find it hilarious that this group who claimed they were so aware of big government terror compared to us sheep. ..was infiltrated by a FBI informant rather easily lol.\nI'd say I'd wanna see the movie one day but it's probably just the FBI informant making a Facebook posting down with liberals and he was welcomed with open arms.\nEdit - I just realized that it seems I'm making light of the FBI informants job. I am not. I could not do that job and be looking over my shoulder basically not living my own life for months to years.",
">\n\nIt wasn't even an FBI agent, it was just some former military dude who joined their military gun drill club and heard their very detailed plot to execute cops and told his cop buddy about it. The cop buddy was like, fuck, that sounds real lemme ask the FBI what to do. The FBI told the guy, hey, can you, like, stay friends with them and just kinda let us know if they do anything really crazy like ask where to buy a bomb to blow up a bridge?\nAnd then they were like, shit, we need a bomb to blow up a bridge as a diversion. You were in the military, do you know anyone? And the dude was like, uh, yeah, let me ask my old buddy Fred Ben Iver.",
">\n\nThey need to do some of that kind of work to grab whoever is behind all of the power stations being hit.",
">\n\nIt is very likely it is completely separate groups. The white supremacist movement (which all this antigovernmental stuff right now is part of and/or grew out of), does everything they can to stay autonomous so that if one cell goes down there is no connection. They can spread their ideology and tactics by just putting them out there on certain forums and are never directly involved, yet have the freedom of speech cover.",
">\n\nIts probably going to be a rite of passage, like being jumped into a gang. Except it is also like having a Canadian girlfriend.\nIf you want domestic terrorist clout at the local watering hole you brag, \"You know that electrical substation that got taken out? Not saying I was directly involved, but not necessarily denying either.\"\nTo Law Enforcement you say, \"That's a lie. Ah gots rats!!\"\nSchrodinger's Terrorist.",
">\n\nHe looks like the kinda guy who’d try to buy bank robbery supplies from a pawn shop.",
">\n\nShort response: good. Longer response? Goooooooooooooooood.",
">\n\nTwo more 'o' and you'd have one for each year of his sentence."
] |
>
Let’s be honest: they were probably a burden to taxpayers beforehand.
|
[
"At one point, Croft told allies: “I don’t like seeing anybody get killed either. But you don’t make an omelet without breaking a few eggs, you know what I mean?”\n\nI’ve never heard someone compassionate, full of empathy doing good for the world pull out that saying. It’s always someone trying to minimize some bullshit.",
">\n\nEvil is banal and mundane. As Hannah Arendt observes in her book Eichmann in Jerusalem, evil people like that use stock phrases and self-invented clichés, including ... you don’t make an omelet without breaking a few eggs ..., to justify their behaviour and lack of critical thinking. People delude themselves into believing they're genuinely good, righteous people.",
">\n\nYep, no one thinks \"muahaha, I am evil!\"",
">\n\nI mean, there’s some people that do. There was a certain subset of Nazis working in the prison camps who knew exactly what was going on, and genuinely enjoyed being there. Same with the Christian missionaries who enacted genocide on the natives - there were priests and nuns in those Catholic schools who willfully abused (and even murdered) kids. \nGenuine psychopaths exist. They’re the minority, but they’re out there. The “banality of evil” problem is that the Nazis and the Catholic church set up entire systems that protected and enabled them.",
">\n\nThe torturers during the inquisition LOVED their work. They got points for doing Gods work and the further blessing of women to rape in ingenuous ways.",
">\n\nLet Croft and Fox rot for the next decade and a half. We’ll see how militant they are when they’re in their late 60s and have aged in the US prison system.",
">\n\nProbably…. More so?",
">\n\nMore so, but no one will go near them. A plot like that, they won't be able to walk past a laptop without the FBI knowing where they are after they're out. No one in their right mind would bring them back into their group.",
">\n\nImagine being so angry at being made to wear masks indoors, you plot to kill a government official, and will now spend the rest of your productive life behind bars ( he's 47 now). All because of having to wear a mask in Wal-Mart!",
">\n\nWhen you lose your freedoms because you don't understand your freedoms.",
">\n\nLoosing your freedoms because you stood up for your freedums…..",
">\n\nThis was a good one",
">\n\nNot really",
">\n\nYesterday the guy who was sentenced looked like a potato and this one looks like the kind of guy who would throw rocks at you for walking near his gold digging spot",
">\n\nGrew up in Michigan. Me: \"Shit, I think I know that guy...oh good, no, it's just his doppelganger.\" Both f-ing times.",
">\n\nSame. My first fear was that at least one of them would turn out to be a family member. Thankfully none... but many look awfully familiar.",
">\n\nProbably about time to take down the “My governor is an idiot” yard signs, Michiganders.",
">\n\nFinding out intensifies……",
">\n\n“(Defense attorney) Blanchard, who got emotional in the courtroom when speaking about Croft’s three children, told reporters outside the courthouse that the sentence means Croft will not get to see his kids grow up.”\nWell, when you try to kidnap and assassinate a governor because you don’t want to wear a mask or stay 6’ away from people because of a fucking pandemic, bad things end up happening to you. \n“Blanchard also maintained that Croft wasn’t the “ideas guy” he’s been portrayed as. He insisted that “most of what Mr. Croft said was excluded because the government didn’t want the jury to hear it.” “\nYeah, it’s not that the “government didn’t want the jury to hear it”. Court doesn’t work that way. The defense attorney didn’t get the testimony excluded. If Croft had a better attorney he might have gotten off, or a lighter sentence. \nThis Blanchard puke is as bad as the felons he represented. Crybaby failure all the way around…",
">\n\nHim not seeing his kids is probably the best thing for them. We don’t need more copies of him.",
">\n\nLooks like that \"the FBI are the ones who suggested it to us and egged us on\" defense didn't hold up.",
">\n\nBecause it was a lie.",
">\n\nNot on the \"gateway pundit,\" where they throw all kinds of insane, exaggerated reasons for ultra-maga crimes\nthat site is one of my favorite hate reads",
">\n\n\n“This man is fully radicalized. He hasn’t changed his viewpoint,” Kessler added. “He’s not admitting the ideas are wrong because he still holds them. This whole thing was Mr. Croft’s idea.”\n\n-\n\nA different jury in Grand Rapids couldn’t reach a verdict on the pair at the first trial last spring but acquitted two other men.\n\nMan, it sounds more and more like the first trial just had (at least) one Michigan Militia type who would have never convicted on any grounds at all.",
">\n\nI just find it hilarious that this group who claimed they were so aware of big government terror compared to us sheep. ..was infiltrated by a FBI informant rather easily lol.\nI'd say I'd wanna see the movie one day but it's probably just the FBI informant making a Facebook posting down with liberals and he was welcomed with open arms.\nEdit - I just realized that it seems I'm making light of the FBI informants job. I am not. I could not do that job and be looking over my shoulder basically not living my own life for months to years.",
">\n\nIt wasn't even an FBI agent, it was just some former military dude who joined their military gun drill club and heard their very detailed plot to execute cops and told his cop buddy about it. The cop buddy was like, fuck, that sounds real lemme ask the FBI what to do. The FBI told the guy, hey, can you, like, stay friends with them and just kinda let us know if they do anything really crazy like ask where to buy a bomb to blow up a bridge?\nAnd then they were like, shit, we need a bomb to blow up a bridge as a diversion. You were in the military, do you know anyone? And the dude was like, uh, yeah, let me ask my old buddy Fred Ben Iver.",
">\n\nThey need to do some of that kind of work to grab whoever is behind all of the power stations being hit.",
">\n\nIt is very likely it is completely separate groups. The white supremacist movement (which all this antigovernmental stuff right now is part of and/or grew out of), does everything they can to stay autonomous so that if one cell goes down there is no connection. They can spread their ideology and tactics by just putting them out there on certain forums and are never directly involved, yet have the freedom of speech cover.",
">\n\nIts probably going to be a rite of passage, like being jumped into a gang. Except it is also like having a Canadian girlfriend.\nIf you want domestic terrorist clout at the local watering hole you brag, \"You know that electrical substation that got taken out? Not saying I was directly involved, but not necessarily denying either.\"\nTo Law Enforcement you say, \"That's a lie. Ah gots rats!!\"\nSchrodinger's Terrorist.",
">\n\nHe looks like the kinda guy who’d try to buy bank robbery supplies from a pawn shop.",
">\n\nShort response: good. Longer response? Goooooooooooooooood.",
">\n\nTwo more 'o' and you'd have one for each year of his sentence.",
">\n\nAnother dumb fuck becomes a burden on taxpayers."
] |
>
You know, kidnapping and killing US government officials isn't a good thing to do. Even if Trump says to do it.
|
[
"At one point, Croft told allies: “I don’t like seeing anybody get killed either. But you don’t make an omelet without breaking a few eggs, you know what I mean?”\n\nI’ve never heard someone compassionate, full of empathy doing good for the world pull out that saying. It’s always someone trying to minimize some bullshit.",
">\n\nEvil is banal and mundane. As Hannah Arendt observes in her book Eichmann in Jerusalem, evil people like that use stock phrases and self-invented clichés, including ... you don’t make an omelet without breaking a few eggs ..., to justify their behaviour and lack of critical thinking. People delude themselves into believing they're genuinely good, righteous people.",
">\n\nYep, no one thinks \"muahaha, I am evil!\"",
">\n\nI mean, there’s some people that do. There was a certain subset of Nazis working in the prison camps who knew exactly what was going on, and genuinely enjoyed being there. Same with the Christian missionaries who enacted genocide on the natives - there were priests and nuns in those Catholic schools who willfully abused (and even murdered) kids. \nGenuine psychopaths exist. They’re the minority, but they’re out there. The “banality of evil” problem is that the Nazis and the Catholic church set up entire systems that protected and enabled them.",
">\n\nThe torturers during the inquisition LOVED their work. They got points for doing Gods work and the further blessing of women to rape in ingenuous ways.",
">\n\nLet Croft and Fox rot for the next decade and a half. We’ll see how militant they are when they’re in their late 60s and have aged in the US prison system.",
">\n\nProbably…. More so?",
">\n\nMore so, but no one will go near them. A plot like that, they won't be able to walk past a laptop without the FBI knowing where they are after they're out. No one in their right mind would bring them back into their group.",
">\n\nImagine being so angry at being made to wear masks indoors, you plot to kill a government official, and will now spend the rest of your productive life behind bars ( he's 47 now). All because of having to wear a mask in Wal-Mart!",
">\n\nWhen you lose your freedoms because you don't understand your freedoms.",
">\n\nLoosing your freedoms because you stood up for your freedums…..",
">\n\nThis was a good one",
">\n\nNot really",
">\n\nYesterday the guy who was sentenced looked like a potato and this one looks like the kind of guy who would throw rocks at you for walking near his gold digging spot",
">\n\nGrew up in Michigan. Me: \"Shit, I think I know that guy...oh good, no, it's just his doppelganger.\" Both f-ing times.",
">\n\nSame. My first fear was that at least one of them would turn out to be a family member. Thankfully none... but many look awfully familiar.",
">\n\nProbably about time to take down the “My governor is an idiot” yard signs, Michiganders.",
">\n\nFinding out intensifies……",
">\n\n“(Defense attorney) Blanchard, who got emotional in the courtroom when speaking about Croft’s three children, told reporters outside the courthouse that the sentence means Croft will not get to see his kids grow up.”\nWell, when you try to kidnap and assassinate a governor because you don’t want to wear a mask or stay 6’ away from people because of a fucking pandemic, bad things end up happening to you. \n“Blanchard also maintained that Croft wasn’t the “ideas guy” he’s been portrayed as. He insisted that “most of what Mr. Croft said was excluded because the government didn’t want the jury to hear it.” “\nYeah, it’s not that the “government didn’t want the jury to hear it”. Court doesn’t work that way. The defense attorney didn’t get the testimony excluded. If Croft had a better attorney he might have gotten off, or a lighter sentence. \nThis Blanchard puke is as bad as the felons he represented. Crybaby failure all the way around…",
">\n\nHim not seeing his kids is probably the best thing for them. We don’t need more copies of him.",
">\n\nLooks like that \"the FBI are the ones who suggested it to us and egged us on\" defense didn't hold up.",
">\n\nBecause it was a lie.",
">\n\nNot on the \"gateway pundit,\" where they throw all kinds of insane, exaggerated reasons for ultra-maga crimes\nthat site is one of my favorite hate reads",
">\n\n\n“This man is fully radicalized. He hasn’t changed his viewpoint,” Kessler added. “He’s not admitting the ideas are wrong because he still holds them. This whole thing was Mr. Croft’s idea.”\n\n-\n\nA different jury in Grand Rapids couldn’t reach a verdict on the pair at the first trial last spring but acquitted two other men.\n\nMan, it sounds more and more like the first trial just had (at least) one Michigan Militia type who would have never convicted on any grounds at all.",
">\n\nI just find it hilarious that this group who claimed they were so aware of big government terror compared to us sheep. ..was infiltrated by a FBI informant rather easily lol.\nI'd say I'd wanna see the movie one day but it's probably just the FBI informant making a Facebook posting down with liberals and he was welcomed with open arms.\nEdit - I just realized that it seems I'm making light of the FBI informants job. I am not. I could not do that job and be looking over my shoulder basically not living my own life for months to years.",
">\n\nIt wasn't even an FBI agent, it was just some former military dude who joined their military gun drill club and heard their very detailed plot to execute cops and told his cop buddy about it. The cop buddy was like, fuck, that sounds real lemme ask the FBI what to do. The FBI told the guy, hey, can you, like, stay friends with them and just kinda let us know if they do anything really crazy like ask where to buy a bomb to blow up a bridge?\nAnd then they were like, shit, we need a bomb to blow up a bridge as a diversion. You were in the military, do you know anyone? And the dude was like, uh, yeah, let me ask my old buddy Fred Ben Iver.",
">\n\nThey need to do some of that kind of work to grab whoever is behind all of the power stations being hit.",
">\n\nIt is very likely it is completely separate groups. The white supremacist movement (which all this antigovernmental stuff right now is part of and/or grew out of), does everything they can to stay autonomous so that if one cell goes down there is no connection. They can spread their ideology and tactics by just putting them out there on certain forums and are never directly involved, yet have the freedom of speech cover.",
">\n\nIts probably going to be a rite of passage, like being jumped into a gang. Except it is also like having a Canadian girlfriend.\nIf you want domestic terrorist clout at the local watering hole you brag, \"You know that electrical substation that got taken out? Not saying I was directly involved, but not necessarily denying either.\"\nTo Law Enforcement you say, \"That's a lie. Ah gots rats!!\"\nSchrodinger's Terrorist.",
">\n\nHe looks like the kinda guy who’d try to buy bank robbery supplies from a pawn shop.",
">\n\nShort response: good. Longer response? Goooooooooooooooood.",
">\n\nTwo more 'o' and you'd have one for each year of his sentence.",
">\n\nAnother dumb fuck becomes a burden on taxpayers.",
">\n\nLet’s be honest: they were probably a burden to taxpayers beforehand."
] |
>
You got a weird way of spelling eventually.
|
[
"At one point, Croft told allies: “I don’t like seeing anybody get killed either. But you don’t make an omelet without breaking a few eggs, you know what I mean?”\n\nI’ve never heard someone compassionate, full of empathy doing good for the world pull out that saying. It’s always someone trying to minimize some bullshit.",
">\n\nEvil is banal and mundane. As Hannah Arendt observes in her book Eichmann in Jerusalem, evil people like that use stock phrases and self-invented clichés, including ... you don’t make an omelet without breaking a few eggs ..., to justify their behaviour and lack of critical thinking. People delude themselves into believing they're genuinely good, righteous people.",
">\n\nYep, no one thinks \"muahaha, I am evil!\"",
">\n\nI mean, there’s some people that do. There was a certain subset of Nazis working in the prison camps who knew exactly what was going on, and genuinely enjoyed being there. Same with the Christian missionaries who enacted genocide on the natives - there were priests and nuns in those Catholic schools who willfully abused (and even murdered) kids. \nGenuine psychopaths exist. They’re the minority, but they’re out there. The “banality of evil” problem is that the Nazis and the Catholic church set up entire systems that protected and enabled them.",
">\n\nThe torturers during the inquisition LOVED their work. They got points for doing Gods work and the further blessing of women to rape in ingenuous ways.",
">\n\nLet Croft and Fox rot for the next decade and a half. We’ll see how militant they are when they’re in their late 60s and have aged in the US prison system.",
">\n\nProbably…. More so?",
">\n\nMore so, but no one will go near them. A plot like that, they won't be able to walk past a laptop without the FBI knowing where they are after they're out. No one in their right mind would bring them back into their group.",
">\n\nImagine being so angry at being made to wear masks indoors, you plot to kill a government official, and will now spend the rest of your productive life behind bars ( he's 47 now). All because of having to wear a mask in Wal-Mart!",
">\n\nWhen you lose your freedoms because you don't understand your freedoms.",
">\n\nLoosing your freedoms because you stood up for your freedums…..",
">\n\nThis was a good one",
">\n\nNot really",
">\n\nYesterday the guy who was sentenced looked like a potato and this one looks like the kind of guy who would throw rocks at you for walking near his gold digging spot",
">\n\nGrew up in Michigan. Me: \"Shit, I think I know that guy...oh good, no, it's just his doppelganger.\" Both f-ing times.",
">\n\nSame. My first fear was that at least one of them would turn out to be a family member. Thankfully none... but many look awfully familiar.",
">\n\nProbably about time to take down the “My governor is an idiot” yard signs, Michiganders.",
">\n\nFinding out intensifies……",
">\n\n“(Defense attorney) Blanchard, who got emotional in the courtroom when speaking about Croft’s three children, told reporters outside the courthouse that the sentence means Croft will not get to see his kids grow up.”\nWell, when you try to kidnap and assassinate a governor because you don’t want to wear a mask or stay 6’ away from people because of a fucking pandemic, bad things end up happening to you. \n“Blanchard also maintained that Croft wasn’t the “ideas guy” he’s been portrayed as. He insisted that “most of what Mr. Croft said was excluded because the government didn’t want the jury to hear it.” “\nYeah, it’s not that the “government didn’t want the jury to hear it”. Court doesn’t work that way. The defense attorney didn’t get the testimony excluded. If Croft had a better attorney he might have gotten off, or a lighter sentence. \nThis Blanchard puke is as bad as the felons he represented. Crybaby failure all the way around…",
">\n\nHim not seeing his kids is probably the best thing for them. We don’t need more copies of him.",
">\n\nLooks like that \"the FBI are the ones who suggested it to us and egged us on\" defense didn't hold up.",
">\n\nBecause it was a lie.",
">\n\nNot on the \"gateway pundit,\" where they throw all kinds of insane, exaggerated reasons for ultra-maga crimes\nthat site is one of my favorite hate reads",
">\n\n\n“This man is fully radicalized. He hasn’t changed his viewpoint,” Kessler added. “He’s not admitting the ideas are wrong because he still holds them. This whole thing was Mr. Croft’s idea.”\n\n-\n\nA different jury in Grand Rapids couldn’t reach a verdict on the pair at the first trial last spring but acquitted two other men.\n\nMan, it sounds more and more like the first trial just had (at least) one Michigan Militia type who would have never convicted on any grounds at all.",
">\n\nI just find it hilarious that this group who claimed they were so aware of big government terror compared to us sheep. ..was infiltrated by a FBI informant rather easily lol.\nI'd say I'd wanna see the movie one day but it's probably just the FBI informant making a Facebook posting down with liberals and he was welcomed with open arms.\nEdit - I just realized that it seems I'm making light of the FBI informants job. I am not. I could not do that job and be looking over my shoulder basically not living my own life for months to years.",
">\n\nIt wasn't even an FBI agent, it was just some former military dude who joined their military gun drill club and heard their very detailed plot to execute cops and told his cop buddy about it. The cop buddy was like, fuck, that sounds real lemme ask the FBI what to do. The FBI told the guy, hey, can you, like, stay friends with them and just kinda let us know if they do anything really crazy like ask where to buy a bomb to blow up a bridge?\nAnd then they were like, shit, we need a bomb to blow up a bridge as a diversion. You were in the military, do you know anyone? And the dude was like, uh, yeah, let me ask my old buddy Fred Ben Iver.",
">\n\nThey need to do some of that kind of work to grab whoever is behind all of the power stations being hit.",
">\n\nIt is very likely it is completely separate groups. The white supremacist movement (which all this antigovernmental stuff right now is part of and/or grew out of), does everything they can to stay autonomous so that if one cell goes down there is no connection. They can spread their ideology and tactics by just putting them out there on certain forums and are never directly involved, yet have the freedom of speech cover.",
">\n\nIts probably going to be a rite of passage, like being jumped into a gang. Except it is also like having a Canadian girlfriend.\nIf you want domestic terrorist clout at the local watering hole you brag, \"You know that electrical substation that got taken out? Not saying I was directly involved, but not necessarily denying either.\"\nTo Law Enforcement you say, \"That's a lie. Ah gots rats!!\"\nSchrodinger's Terrorist.",
">\n\nHe looks like the kinda guy who’d try to buy bank robbery supplies from a pawn shop.",
">\n\nShort response: good. Longer response? Goooooooooooooooood.",
">\n\nTwo more 'o' and you'd have one for each year of his sentence.",
">\n\nAnother dumb fuck becomes a burden on taxpayers.",
">\n\nLet’s be honest: they were probably a burden to taxpayers beforehand.",
">\n\nYou know, kidnapping and killing US government officials isn't a good thing to do. Even if Trump says to do it."
] |
>
What kind of country are we becoming where you cannot even kidnap your Governors? /sarcasm
|
[
"At one point, Croft told allies: “I don’t like seeing anybody get killed either. But you don’t make an omelet without breaking a few eggs, you know what I mean?”\n\nI’ve never heard someone compassionate, full of empathy doing good for the world pull out that saying. It’s always someone trying to minimize some bullshit.",
">\n\nEvil is banal and mundane. As Hannah Arendt observes in her book Eichmann in Jerusalem, evil people like that use stock phrases and self-invented clichés, including ... you don’t make an omelet without breaking a few eggs ..., to justify their behaviour and lack of critical thinking. People delude themselves into believing they're genuinely good, righteous people.",
">\n\nYep, no one thinks \"muahaha, I am evil!\"",
">\n\nI mean, there’s some people that do. There was a certain subset of Nazis working in the prison camps who knew exactly what was going on, and genuinely enjoyed being there. Same with the Christian missionaries who enacted genocide on the natives - there were priests and nuns in those Catholic schools who willfully abused (and even murdered) kids. \nGenuine psychopaths exist. They’re the minority, but they’re out there. The “banality of evil” problem is that the Nazis and the Catholic church set up entire systems that protected and enabled them.",
">\n\nThe torturers during the inquisition LOVED their work. They got points for doing Gods work and the further blessing of women to rape in ingenuous ways.",
">\n\nLet Croft and Fox rot for the next decade and a half. We’ll see how militant they are when they’re in their late 60s and have aged in the US prison system.",
">\n\nProbably…. More so?",
">\n\nMore so, but no one will go near them. A plot like that, they won't be able to walk past a laptop without the FBI knowing where they are after they're out. No one in their right mind would bring them back into their group.",
">\n\nImagine being so angry at being made to wear masks indoors, you plot to kill a government official, and will now spend the rest of your productive life behind bars ( he's 47 now). All because of having to wear a mask in Wal-Mart!",
">\n\nWhen you lose your freedoms because you don't understand your freedoms.",
">\n\nLoosing your freedoms because you stood up for your freedums…..",
">\n\nThis was a good one",
">\n\nNot really",
">\n\nYesterday the guy who was sentenced looked like a potato and this one looks like the kind of guy who would throw rocks at you for walking near his gold digging spot",
">\n\nGrew up in Michigan. Me: \"Shit, I think I know that guy...oh good, no, it's just his doppelganger.\" Both f-ing times.",
">\n\nSame. My first fear was that at least one of them would turn out to be a family member. Thankfully none... but many look awfully familiar.",
">\n\nProbably about time to take down the “My governor is an idiot” yard signs, Michiganders.",
">\n\nFinding out intensifies……",
">\n\n“(Defense attorney) Blanchard, who got emotional in the courtroom when speaking about Croft’s three children, told reporters outside the courthouse that the sentence means Croft will not get to see his kids grow up.”\nWell, when you try to kidnap and assassinate a governor because you don’t want to wear a mask or stay 6’ away from people because of a fucking pandemic, bad things end up happening to you. \n“Blanchard also maintained that Croft wasn’t the “ideas guy” he’s been portrayed as. He insisted that “most of what Mr. Croft said was excluded because the government didn’t want the jury to hear it.” “\nYeah, it’s not that the “government didn’t want the jury to hear it”. Court doesn’t work that way. The defense attorney didn’t get the testimony excluded. If Croft had a better attorney he might have gotten off, or a lighter sentence. \nThis Blanchard puke is as bad as the felons he represented. Crybaby failure all the way around…",
">\n\nHim not seeing his kids is probably the best thing for them. We don’t need more copies of him.",
">\n\nLooks like that \"the FBI are the ones who suggested it to us and egged us on\" defense didn't hold up.",
">\n\nBecause it was a lie.",
">\n\nNot on the \"gateway pundit,\" where they throw all kinds of insane, exaggerated reasons for ultra-maga crimes\nthat site is one of my favorite hate reads",
">\n\n\n“This man is fully radicalized. He hasn’t changed his viewpoint,” Kessler added. “He’s not admitting the ideas are wrong because he still holds them. This whole thing was Mr. Croft’s idea.”\n\n-\n\nA different jury in Grand Rapids couldn’t reach a verdict on the pair at the first trial last spring but acquitted two other men.\n\nMan, it sounds more and more like the first trial just had (at least) one Michigan Militia type who would have never convicted on any grounds at all.",
">\n\nI just find it hilarious that this group who claimed they were so aware of big government terror compared to us sheep. ..was infiltrated by a FBI informant rather easily lol.\nI'd say I'd wanna see the movie one day but it's probably just the FBI informant making a Facebook posting down with liberals and he was welcomed with open arms.\nEdit - I just realized that it seems I'm making light of the FBI informants job. I am not. I could not do that job and be looking over my shoulder basically not living my own life for months to years.",
">\n\nIt wasn't even an FBI agent, it was just some former military dude who joined their military gun drill club and heard their very detailed plot to execute cops and told his cop buddy about it. The cop buddy was like, fuck, that sounds real lemme ask the FBI what to do. The FBI told the guy, hey, can you, like, stay friends with them and just kinda let us know if they do anything really crazy like ask where to buy a bomb to blow up a bridge?\nAnd then they were like, shit, we need a bomb to blow up a bridge as a diversion. You were in the military, do you know anyone? And the dude was like, uh, yeah, let me ask my old buddy Fred Ben Iver.",
">\n\nThey need to do some of that kind of work to grab whoever is behind all of the power stations being hit.",
">\n\nIt is very likely it is completely separate groups. The white supremacist movement (which all this antigovernmental stuff right now is part of and/or grew out of), does everything they can to stay autonomous so that if one cell goes down there is no connection. They can spread their ideology and tactics by just putting them out there on certain forums and are never directly involved, yet have the freedom of speech cover.",
">\n\nIts probably going to be a rite of passage, like being jumped into a gang. Except it is also like having a Canadian girlfriend.\nIf you want domestic terrorist clout at the local watering hole you brag, \"You know that electrical substation that got taken out? Not saying I was directly involved, but not necessarily denying either.\"\nTo Law Enforcement you say, \"That's a lie. Ah gots rats!!\"\nSchrodinger's Terrorist.",
">\n\nHe looks like the kinda guy who’d try to buy bank robbery supplies from a pawn shop.",
">\n\nShort response: good. Longer response? Goooooooooooooooood.",
">\n\nTwo more 'o' and you'd have one for each year of his sentence.",
">\n\nAnother dumb fuck becomes a burden on taxpayers.",
">\n\nLet’s be honest: they were probably a burden to taxpayers beforehand.",
">\n\nYou know, kidnapping and killing US government officials isn't a good thing to do. Even if Trump says to do it.",
">\n\nYou got a weird way of spelling eventually."
] |
>
19 years in prison essentially over not wanting to wear a mask.
|
[
"At one point, Croft told allies: “I don’t like seeing anybody get killed either. But you don’t make an omelet without breaking a few eggs, you know what I mean?”\n\nI’ve never heard someone compassionate, full of empathy doing good for the world pull out that saying. It’s always someone trying to minimize some bullshit.",
">\n\nEvil is banal and mundane. As Hannah Arendt observes in her book Eichmann in Jerusalem, evil people like that use stock phrases and self-invented clichés, including ... you don’t make an omelet without breaking a few eggs ..., to justify their behaviour and lack of critical thinking. People delude themselves into believing they're genuinely good, righteous people.",
">\n\nYep, no one thinks \"muahaha, I am evil!\"",
">\n\nI mean, there’s some people that do. There was a certain subset of Nazis working in the prison camps who knew exactly what was going on, and genuinely enjoyed being there. Same with the Christian missionaries who enacted genocide on the natives - there were priests and nuns in those Catholic schools who willfully abused (and even murdered) kids. \nGenuine psychopaths exist. They’re the minority, but they’re out there. The “banality of evil” problem is that the Nazis and the Catholic church set up entire systems that protected and enabled them.",
">\n\nThe torturers during the inquisition LOVED their work. They got points for doing Gods work and the further blessing of women to rape in ingenuous ways.",
">\n\nLet Croft and Fox rot for the next decade and a half. We’ll see how militant they are when they’re in their late 60s and have aged in the US prison system.",
">\n\nProbably…. More so?",
">\n\nMore so, but no one will go near them. A plot like that, they won't be able to walk past a laptop without the FBI knowing where they are after they're out. No one in their right mind would bring them back into their group.",
">\n\nImagine being so angry at being made to wear masks indoors, you plot to kill a government official, and will now spend the rest of your productive life behind bars ( he's 47 now). All because of having to wear a mask in Wal-Mart!",
">\n\nWhen you lose your freedoms because you don't understand your freedoms.",
">\n\nLoosing your freedoms because you stood up for your freedums…..",
">\n\nThis was a good one",
">\n\nNot really",
">\n\nYesterday the guy who was sentenced looked like a potato and this one looks like the kind of guy who would throw rocks at you for walking near his gold digging spot",
">\n\nGrew up in Michigan. Me: \"Shit, I think I know that guy...oh good, no, it's just his doppelganger.\" Both f-ing times.",
">\n\nSame. My first fear was that at least one of them would turn out to be a family member. Thankfully none... but many look awfully familiar.",
">\n\nProbably about time to take down the “My governor is an idiot” yard signs, Michiganders.",
">\n\nFinding out intensifies……",
">\n\n“(Defense attorney) Blanchard, who got emotional in the courtroom when speaking about Croft’s three children, told reporters outside the courthouse that the sentence means Croft will not get to see his kids grow up.”\nWell, when you try to kidnap and assassinate a governor because you don’t want to wear a mask or stay 6’ away from people because of a fucking pandemic, bad things end up happening to you. \n“Blanchard also maintained that Croft wasn’t the “ideas guy” he’s been portrayed as. He insisted that “most of what Mr. Croft said was excluded because the government didn’t want the jury to hear it.” “\nYeah, it’s not that the “government didn’t want the jury to hear it”. Court doesn’t work that way. The defense attorney didn’t get the testimony excluded. If Croft had a better attorney he might have gotten off, or a lighter sentence. \nThis Blanchard puke is as bad as the felons he represented. Crybaby failure all the way around…",
">\n\nHim not seeing his kids is probably the best thing for them. We don’t need more copies of him.",
">\n\nLooks like that \"the FBI are the ones who suggested it to us and egged us on\" defense didn't hold up.",
">\n\nBecause it was a lie.",
">\n\nNot on the \"gateway pundit,\" where they throw all kinds of insane, exaggerated reasons for ultra-maga crimes\nthat site is one of my favorite hate reads",
">\n\n\n“This man is fully radicalized. He hasn’t changed his viewpoint,” Kessler added. “He’s not admitting the ideas are wrong because he still holds them. This whole thing was Mr. Croft’s idea.”\n\n-\n\nA different jury in Grand Rapids couldn’t reach a verdict on the pair at the first trial last spring but acquitted two other men.\n\nMan, it sounds more and more like the first trial just had (at least) one Michigan Militia type who would have never convicted on any grounds at all.",
">\n\nI just find it hilarious that this group who claimed they were so aware of big government terror compared to us sheep. ..was infiltrated by a FBI informant rather easily lol.\nI'd say I'd wanna see the movie one day but it's probably just the FBI informant making a Facebook posting down with liberals and he was welcomed with open arms.\nEdit - I just realized that it seems I'm making light of the FBI informants job. I am not. I could not do that job and be looking over my shoulder basically not living my own life for months to years.",
">\n\nIt wasn't even an FBI agent, it was just some former military dude who joined their military gun drill club and heard their very detailed plot to execute cops and told his cop buddy about it. The cop buddy was like, fuck, that sounds real lemme ask the FBI what to do. The FBI told the guy, hey, can you, like, stay friends with them and just kinda let us know if they do anything really crazy like ask where to buy a bomb to blow up a bridge?\nAnd then they were like, shit, we need a bomb to blow up a bridge as a diversion. You were in the military, do you know anyone? And the dude was like, uh, yeah, let me ask my old buddy Fred Ben Iver.",
">\n\nThey need to do some of that kind of work to grab whoever is behind all of the power stations being hit.",
">\n\nIt is very likely it is completely separate groups. The white supremacist movement (which all this antigovernmental stuff right now is part of and/or grew out of), does everything they can to stay autonomous so that if one cell goes down there is no connection. They can spread their ideology and tactics by just putting them out there on certain forums and are never directly involved, yet have the freedom of speech cover.",
">\n\nIts probably going to be a rite of passage, like being jumped into a gang. Except it is also like having a Canadian girlfriend.\nIf you want domestic terrorist clout at the local watering hole you brag, \"You know that electrical substation that got taken out? Not saying I was directly involved, but not necessarily denying either.\"\nTo Law Enforcement you say, \"That's a lie. Ah gots rats!!\"\nSchrodinger's Terrorist.",
">\n\nHe looks like the kinda guy who’d try to buy bank robbery supplies from a pawn shop.",
">\n\nShort response: good. Longer response? Goooooooooooooooood.",
">\n\nTwo more 'o' and you'd have one for each year of his sentence.",
">\n\nAnother dumb fuck becomes a burden on taxpayers.",
">\n\nLet’s be honest: they were probably a burden to taxpayers beforehand.",
">\n\nYou know, kidnapping and killing US government officials isn't a good thing to do. Even if Trump says to do it.",
">\n\nYou got a weird way of spelling eventually.",
">\n\nWhat kind of country are we becoming where you cannot even kidnap your Governors? /sarcasm"
] |
>
More like 19 years because you closed my bar for a few weeks and that’s unacceptable to redneck Michigan.
|
[
"At one point, Croft told allies: “I don’t like seeing anybody get killed either. But you don’t make an omelet without breaking a few eggs, you know what I mean?”\n\nI’ve never heard someone compassionate, full of empathy doing good for the world pull out that saying. It’s always someone trying to minimize some bullshit.",
">\n\nEvil is banal and mundane. As Hannah Arendt observes in her book Eichmann in Jerusalem, evil people like that use stock phrases and self-invented clichés, including ... you don’t make an omelet without breaking a few eggs ..., to justify their behaviour and lack of critical thinking. People delude themselves into believing they're genuinely good, righteous people.",
">\n\nYep, no one thinks \"muahaha, I am evil!\"",
">\n\nI mean, there’s some people that do. There was a certain subset of Nazis working in the prison camps who knew exactly what was going on, and genuinely enjoyed being there. Same with the Christian missionaries who enacted genocide on the natives - there were priests and nuns in those Catholic schools who willfully abused (and even murdered) kids. \nGenuine psychopaths exist. They’re the minority, but they’re out there. The “banality of evil” problem is that the Nazis and the Catholic church set up entire systems that protected and enabled them.",
">\n\nThe torturers during the inquisition LOVED their work. They got points for doing Gods work and the further blessing of women to rape in ingenuous ways.",
">\n\nLet Croft and Fox rot for the next decade and a half. We’ll see how militant they are when they’re in their late 60s and have aged in the US prison system.",
">\n\nProbably…. More so?",
">\n\nMore so, but no one will go near them. A plot like that, they won't be able to walk past a laptop without the FBI knowing where they are after they're out. No one in their right mind would bring them back into their group.",
">\n\nImagine being so angry at being made to wear masks indoors, you plot to kill a government official, and will now spend the rest of your productive life behind bars ( he's 47 now). All because of having to wear a mask in Wal-Mart!",
">\n\nWhen you lose your freedoms because you don't understand your freedoms.",
">\n\nLoosing your freedoms because you stood up for your freedums…..",
">\n\nThis was a good one",
">\n\nNot really",
">\n\nYesterday the guy who was sentenced looked like a potato and this one looks like the kind of guy who would throw rocks at you for walking near his gold digging spot",
">\n\nGrew up in Michigan. Me: \"Shit, I think I know that guy...oh good, no, it's just his doppelganger.\" Both f-ing times.",
">\n\nSame. My first fear was that at least one of them would turn out to be a family member. Thankfully none... but many look awfully familiar.",
">\n\nProbably about time to take down the “My governor is an idiot” yard signs, Michiganders.",
">\n\nFinding out intensifies……",
">\n\n“(Defense attorney) Blanchard, who got emotional in the courtroom when speaking about Croft’s three children, told reporters outside the courthouse that the sentence means Croft will not get to see his kids grow up.”\nWell, when you try to kidnap and assassinate a governor because you don’t want to wear a mask or stay 6’ away from people because of a fucking pandemic, bad things end up happening to you. \n“Blanchard also maintained that Croft wasn’t the “ideas guy” he’s been portrayed as. He insisted that “most of what Mr. Croft said was excluded because the government didn’t want the jury to hear it.” “\nYeah, it’s not that the “government didn’t want the jury to hear it”. Court doesn’t work that way. The defense attorney didn’t get the testimony excluded. If Croft had a better attorney he might have gotten off, or a lighter sentence. \nThis Blanchard puke is as bad as the felons he represented. Crybaby failure all the way around…",
">\n\nHim not seeing his kids is probably the best thing for them. We don’t need more copies of him.",
">\n\nLooks like that \"the FBI are the ones who suggested it to us and egged us on\" defense didn't hold up.",
">\n\nBecause it was a lie.",
">\n\nNot on the \"gateway pundit,\" where they throw all kinds of insane, exaggerated reasons for ultra-maga crimes\nthat site is one of my favorite hate reads",
">\n\n\n“This man is fully radicalized. He hasn’t changed his viewpoint,” Kessler added. “He’s not admitting the ideas are wrong because he still holds them. This whole thing was Mr. Croft’s idea.”\n\n-\n\nA different jury in Grand Rapids couldn’t reach a verdict on the pair at the first trial last spring but acquitted two other men.\n\nMan, it sounds more and more like the first trial just had (at least) one Michigan Militia type who would have never convicted on any grounds at all.",
">\n\nI just find it hilarious that this group who claimed they were so aware of big government terror compared to us sheep. ..was infiltrated by a FBI informant rather easily lol.\nI'd say I'd wanna see the movie one day but it's probably just the FBI informant making a Facebook posting down with liberals and he was welcomed with open arms.\nEdit - I just realized that it seems I'm making light of the FBI informants job. I am not. I could not do that job and be looking over my shoulder basically not living my own life for months to years.",
">\n\nIt wasn't even an FBI agent, it was just some former military dude who joined their military gun drill club and heard their very detailed plot to execute cops and told his cop buddy about it. The cop buddy was like, fuck, that sounds real lemme ask the FBI what to do. The FBI told the guy, hey, can you, like, stay friends with them and just kinda let us know if they do anything really crazy like ask where to buy a bomb to blow up a bridge?\nAnd then they were like, shit, we need a bomb to blow up a bridge as a diversion. You were in the military, do you know anyone? And the dude was like, uh, yeah, let me ask my old buddy Fred Ben Iver.",
">\n\nThey need to do some of that kind of work to grab whoever is behind all of the power stations being hit.",
">\n\nIt is very likely it is completely separate groups. The white supremacist movement (which all this antigovernmental stuff right now is part of and/or grew out of), does everything they can to stay autonomous so that if one cell goes down there is no connection. They can spread their ideology and tactics by just putting them out there on certain forums and are never directly involved, yet have the freedom of speech cover.",
">\n\nIts probably going to be a rite of passage, like being jumped into a gang. Except it is also like having a Canadian girlfriend.\nIf you want domestic terrorist clout at the local watering hole you brag, \"You know that electrical substation that got taken out? Not saying I was directly involved, but not necessarily denying either.\"\nTo Law Enforcement you say, \"That's a lie. Ah gots rats!!\"\nSchrodinger's Terrorist.",
">\n\nHe looks like the kinda guy who’d try to buy bank robbery supplies from a pawn shop.",
">\n\nShort response: good. Longer response? Goooooooooooooooood.",
">\n\nTwo more 'o' and you'd have one for each year of his sentence.",
">\n\nAnother dumb fuck becomes a burden on taxpayers.",
">\n\nLet’s be honest: they were probably a burden to taxpayers beforehand.",
">\n\nYou know, kidnapping and killing US government officials isn't a good thing to do. Even if Trump says to do it.",
">\n\nYou got a weird way of spelling eventually.",
">\n\nWhat kind of country are we becoming where you cannot even kidnap your Governors? /sarcasm",
">\n\n19 years in prison essentially over not wanting to wear a mask."
] |
>
well, if you still watch fox news you’re probably upset by this verdict. tucker carlson will agree with you and tell you why. but this is a reality check and you might want to take a step back and reevaluate your life before you end up storming the capital again or attacking a power grid
|
[
"At one point, Croft told allies: “I don’t like seeing anybody get killed either. But you don’t make an omelet without breaking a few eggs, you know what I mean?”\n\nI’ve never heard someone compassionate, full of empathy doing good for the world pull out that saying. It’s always someone trying to minimize some bullshit.",
">\n\nEvil is banal and mundane. As Hannah Arendt observes in her book Eichmann in Jerusalem, evil people like that use stock phrases and self-invented clichés, including ... you don’t make an omelet without breaking a few eggs ..., to justify their behaviour and lack of critical thinking. People delude themselves into believing they're genuinely good, righteous people.",
">\n\nYep, no one thinks \"muahaha, I am evil!\"",
">\n\nI mean, there’s some people that do. There was a certain subset of Nazis working in the prison camps who knew exactly what was going on, and genuinely enjoyed being there. Same with the Christian missionaries who enacted genocide on the natives - there were priests and nuns in those Catholic schools who willfully abused (and even murdered) kids. \nGenuine psychopaths exist. They’re the minority, but they’re out there. The “banality of evil” problem is that the Nazis and the Catholic church set up entire systems that protected and enabled them.",
">\n\nThe torturers during the inquisition LOVED their work. They got points for doing Gods work and the further blessing of women to rape in ingenuous ways.",
">\n\nLet Croft and Fox rot for the next decade and a half. We’ll see how militant they are when they’re in their late 60s and have aged in the US prison system.",
">\n\nProbably…. More so?",
">\n\nMore so, but no one will go near them. A plot like that, they won't be able to walk past a laptop without the FBI knowing where they are after they're out. No one in their right mind would bring them back into their group.",
">\n\nImagine being so angry at being made to wear masks indoors, you plot to kill a government official, and will now spend the rest of your productive life behind bars ( he's 47 now). All because of having to wear a mask in Wal-Mart!",
">\n\nWhen you lose your freedoms because you don't understand your freedoms.",
">\n\nLoosing your freedoms because you stood up for your freedums…..",
">\n\nThis was a good one",
">\n\nNot really",
">\n\nYesterday the guy who was sentenced looked like a potato and this one looks like the kind of guy who would throw rocks at you for walking near his gold digging spot",
">\n\nGrew up in Michigan. Me: \"Shit, I think I know that guy...oh good, no, it's just his doppelganger.\" Both f-ing times.",
">\n\nSame. My first fear was that at least one of them would turn out to be a family member. Thankfully none... but many look awfully familiar.",
">\n\nProbably about time to take down the “My governor is an idiot” yard signs, Michiganders.",
">\n\nFinding out intensifies……",
">\n\n“(Defense attorney) Blanchard, who got emotional in the courtroom when speaking about Croft’s three children, told reporters outside the courthouse that the sentence means Croft will not get to see his kids grow up.”\nWell, when you try to kidnap and assassinate a governor because you don’t want to wear a mask or stay 6’ away from people because of a fucking pandemic, bad things end up happening to you. \n“Blanchard also maintained that Croft wasn’t the “ideas guy” he’s been portrayed as. He insisted that “most of what Mr. Croft said was excluded because the government didn’t want the jury to hear it.” “\nYeah, it’s not that the “government didn’t want the jury to hear it”. Court doesn’t work that way. The defense attorney didn’t get the testimony excluded. If Croft had a better attorney he might have gotten off, or a lighter sentence. \nThis Blanchard puke is as bad as the felons he represented. Crybaby failure all the way around…",
">\n\nHim not seeing his kids is probably the best thing for them. We don’t need more copies of him.",
">\n\nLooks like that \"the FBI are the ones who suggested it to us and egged us on\" defense didn't hold up.",
">\n\nBecause it was a lie.",
">\n\nNot on the \"gateway pundit,\" where they throw all kinds of insane, exaggerated reasons for ultra-maga crimes\nthat site is one of my favorite hate reads",
">\n\n\n“This man is fully radicalized. He hasn’t changed his viewpoint,” Kessler added. “He’s not admitting the ideas are wrong because he still holds them. This whole thing was Mr. Croft’s idea.”\n\n-\n\nA different jury in Grand Rapids couldn’t reach a verdict on the pair at the first trial last spring but acquitted two other men.\n\nMan, it sounds more and more like the first trial just had (at least) one Michigan Militia type who would have never convicted on any grounds at all.",
">\n\nI just find it hilarious that this group who claimed they were so aware of big government terror compared to us sheep. ..was infiltrated by a FBI informant rather easily lol.\nI'd say I'd wanna see the movie one day but it's probably just the FBI informant making a Facebook posting down with liberals and he was welcomed with open arms.\nEdit - I just realized that it seems I'm making light of the FBI informants job. I am not. I could not do that job and be looking over my shoulder basically not living my own life for months to years.",
">\n\nIt wasn't even an FBI agent, it was just some former military dude who joined their military gun drill club and heard their very detailed plot to execute cops and told his cop buddy about it. The cop buddy was like, fuck, that sounds real lemme ask the FBI what to do. The FBI told the guy, hey, can you, like, stay friends with them and just kinda let us know if they do anything really crazy like ask where to buy a bomb to blow up a bridge?\nAnd then they were like, shit, we need a bomb to blow up a bridge as a diversion. You were in the military, do you know anyone? And the dude was like, uh, yeah, let me ask my old buddy Fred Ben Iver.",
">\n\nThey need to do some of that kind of work to grab whoever is behind all of the power stations being hit.",
">\n\nIt is very likely it is completely separate groups. The white supremacist movement (which all this antigovernmental stuff right now is part of and/or grew out of), does everything they can to stay autonomous so that if one cell goes down there is no connection. They can spread their ideology and tactics by just putting them out there on certain forums and are never directly involved, yet have the freedom of speech cover.",
">\n\nIts probably going to be a rite of passage, like being jumped into a gang. Except it is also like having a Canadian girlfriend.\nIf you want domestic terrorist clout at the local watering hole you brag, \"You know that electrical substation that got taken out? Not saying I was directly involved, but not necessarily denying either.\"\nTo Law Enforcement you say, \"That's a lie. Ah gots rats!!\"\nSchrodinger's Terrorist.",
">\n\nHe looks like the kinda guy who’d try to buy bank robbery supplies from a pawn shop.",
">\n\nShort response: good. Longer response? Goooooooooooooooood.",
">\n\nTwo more 'o' and you'd have one for each year of his sentence.",
">\n\nAnother dumb fuck becomes a burden on taxpayers.",
">\n\nLet’s be honest: they were probably a burden to taxpayers beforehand.",
">\n\nYou know, kidnapping and killing US government officials isn't a good thing to do. Even if Trump says to do it.",
">\n\nYou got a weird way of spelling eventually.",
">\n\nWhat kind of country are we becoming where you cannot even kidnap your Governors? /sarcasm",
">\n\n19 years in prison essentially over not wanting to wear a mask.",
">\n\nMore like 19 years because you closed my bar for a few weeks and that’s unacceptable to redneck Michigan."
] |
>
Good. Fuck them all.9
|
[
"At one point, Croft told allies: “I don’t like seeing anybody get killed either. But you don’t make an omelet without breaking a few eggs, you know what I mean?”\n\nI’ve never heard someone compassionate, full of empathy doing good for the world pull out that saying. It’s always someone trying to minimize some bullshit.",
">\n\nEvil is banal and mundane. As Hannah Arendt observes in her book Eichmann in Jerusalem, evil people like that use stock phrases and self-invented clichés, including ... you don’t make an omelet without breaking a few eggs ..., to justify their behaviour and lack of critical thinking. People delude themselves into believing they're genuinely good, righteous people.",
">\n\nYep, no one thinks \"muahaha, I am evil!\"",
">\n\nI mean, there’s some people that do. There was a certain subset of Nazis working in the prison camps who knew exactly what was going on, and genuinely enjoyed being there. Same with the Christian missionaries who enacted genocide on the natives - there were priests and nuns in those Catholic schools who willfully abused (and even murdered) kids. \nGenuine psychopaths exist. They’re the minority, but they’re out there. The “banality of evil” problem is that the Nazis and the Catholic church set up entire systems that protected and enabled them.",
">\n\nThe torturers during the inquisition LOVED their work. They got points for doing Gods work and the further blessing of women to rape in ingenuous ways.",
">\n\nLet Croft and Fox rot for the next decade and a half. We’ll see how militant they are when they’re in their late 60s and have aged in the US prison system.",
">\n\nProbably…. More so?",
">\n\nMore so, but no one will go near them. A plot like that, they won't be able to walk past a laptop without the FBI knowing where they are after they're out. No one in their right mind would bring them back into their group.",
">\n\nImagine being so angry at being made to wear masks indoors, you plot to kill a government official, and will now spend the rest of your productive life behind bars ( he's 47 now). All because of having to wear a mask in Wal-Mart!",
">\n\nWhen you lose your freedoms because you don't understand your freedoms.",
">\n\nLoosing your freedoms because you stood up for your freedums…..",
">\n\nThis was a good one",
">\n\nNot really",
">\n\nYesterday the guy who was sentenced looked like a potato and this one looks like the kind of guy who would throw rocks at you for walking near his gold digging spot",
">\n\nGrew up in Michigan. Me: \"Shit, I think I know that guy...oh good, no, it's just his doppelganger.\" Both f-ing times.",
">\n\nSame. My first fear was that at least one of them would turn out to be a family member. Thankfully none... but many look awfully familiar.",
">\n\nProbably about time to take down the “My governor is an idiot” yard signs, Michiganders.",
">\n\nFinding out intensifies……",
">\n\n“(Defense attorney) Blanchard, who got emotional in the courtroom when speaking about Croft’s three children, told reporters outside the courthouse that the sentence means Croft will not get to see his kids grow up.”\nWell, when you try to kidnap and assassinate a governor because you don’t want to wear a mask or stay 6’ away from people because of a fucking pandemic, bad things end up happening to you. \n“Blanchard also maintained that Croft wasn’t the “ideas guy” he’s been portrayed as. He insisted that “most of what Mr. Croft said was excluded because the government didn’t want the jury to hear it.” “\nYeah, it’s not that the “government didn’t want the jury to hear it”. Court doesn’t work that way. The defense attorney didn’t get the testimony excluded. If Croft had a better attorney he might have gotten off, or a lighter sentence. \nThis Blanchard puke is as bad as the felons he represented. Crybaby failure all the way around…",
">\n\nHim not seeing his kids is probably the best thing for them. We don’t need more copies of him.",
">\n\nLooks like that \"the FBI are the ones who suggested it to us and egged us on\" defense didn't hold up.",
">\n\nBecause it was a lie.",
">\n\nNot on the \"gateway pundit,\" where they throw all kinds of insane, exaggerated reasons for ultra-maga crimes\nthat site is one of my favorite hate reads",
">\n\n\n“This man is fully radicalized. He hasn’t changed his viewpoint,” Kessler added. “He’s not admitting the ideas are wrong because he still holds them. This whole thing was Mr. Croft’s idea.”\n\n-\n\nA different jury in Grand Rapids couldn’t reach a verdict on the pair at the first trial last spring but acquitted two other men.\n\nMan, it sounds more and more like the first trial just had (at least) one Michigan Militia type who would have never convicted on any grounds at all.",
">\n\nI just find it hilarious that this group who claimed they were so aware of big government terror compared to us sheep. ..was infiltrated by a FBI informant rather easily lol.\nI'd say I'd wanna see the movie one day but it's probably just the FBI informant making a Facebook posting down with liberals and he was welcomed with open arms.\nEdit - I just realized that it seems I'm making light of the FBI informants job. I am not. I could not do that job and be looking over my shoulder basically not living my own life for months to years.",
">\n\nIt wasn't even an FBI agent, it was just some former military dude who joined their military gun drill club and heard their very detailed plot to execute cops and told his cop buddy about it. The cop buddy was like, fuck, that sounds real lemme ask the FBI what to do. The FBI told the guy, hey, can you, like, stay friends with them and just kinda let us know if they do anything really crazy like ask where to buy a bomb to blow up a bridge?\nAnd then they were like, shit, we need a bomb to blow up a bridge as a diversion. You were in the military, do you know anyone? And the dude was like, uh, yeah, let me ask my old buddy Fred Ben Iver.",
">\n\nThey need to do some of that kind of work to grab whoever is behind all of the power stations being hit.",
">\n\nIt is very likely it is completely separate groups. The white supremacist movement (which all this antigovernmental stuff right now is part of and/or grew out of), does everything they can to stay autonomous so that if one cell goes down there is no connection. They can spread their ideology and tactics by just putting them out there on certain forums and are never directly involved, yet have the freedom of speech cover.",
">\n\nIts probably going to be a rite of passage, like being jumped into a gang. Except it is also like having a Canadian girlfriend.\nIf you want domestic terrorist clout at the local watering hole you brag, \"You know that electrical substation that got taken out? Not saying I was directly involved, but not necessarily denying either.\"\nTo Law Enforcement you say, \"That's a lie. Ah gots rats!!\"\nSchrodinger's Terrorist.",
">\n\nHe looks like the kinda guy who’d try to buy bank robbery supplies from a pawn shop.",
">\n\nShort response: good. Longer response? Goooooooooooooooood.",
">\n\nTwo more 'o' and you'd have one for each year of his sentence.",
">\n\nAnother dumb fuck becomes a burden on taxpayers.",
">\n\nLet’s be honest: they were probably a burden to taxpayers beforehand.",
">\n\nYou know, kidnapping and killing US government officials isn't a good thing to do. Even if Trump says to do it.",
">\n\nYou got a weird way of spelling eventually.",
">\n\nWhat kind of country are we becoming where you cannot even kidnap your Governors? /sarcasm",
">\n\n19 years in prison essentially over not wanting to wear a mask.",
">\n\nMore like 19 years because you closed my bar for a few weeks and that’s unacceptable to redneck Michigan.",
">\n\nwell, if you still watch fox news you’re probably upset by this verdict. tucker carlson will agree with you and tell you why. but this is a reality check and you might want to take a step back and reevaluate your life before you end up storming the capital again or attacking a power grid"
] |
>
Primeee definition of fuck around and find out…imagine wasting 19 years of your life because you thought you were smart enough to hatch a terror attack on a fucking online message board that had fbi agents on it 💀💀and that baddie STILL won releection.
enjoy prison biatch, go big gretch. she seems like a pretty cool lady.
|
[
"At one point, Croft told allies: “I don’t like seeing anybody get killed either. But you don’t make an omelet without breaking a few eggs, you know what I mean?”\n\nI’ve never heard someone compassionate, full of empathy doing good for the world pull out that saying. It’s always someone trying to minimize some bullshit.",
">\n\nEvil is banal and mundane. As Hannah Arendt observes in her book Eichmann in Jerusalem, evil people like that use stock phrases and self-invented clichés, including ... you don’t make an omelet without breaking a few eggs ..., to justify their behaviour and lack of critical thinking. People delude themselves into believing they're genuinely good, righteous people.",
">\n\nYep, no one thinks \"muahaha, I am evil!\"",
">\n\nI mean, there’s some people that do. There was a certain subset of Nazis working in the prison camps who knew exactly what was going on, and genuinely enjoyed being there. Same with the Christian missionaries who enacted genocide on the natives - there were priests and nuns in those Catholic schools who willfully abused (and even murdered) kids. \nGenuine psychopaths exist. They’re the minority, but they’re out there. The “banality of evil” problem is that the Nazis and the Catholic church set up entire systems that protected and enabled them.",
">\n\nThe torturers during the inquisition LOVED their work. They got points for doing Gods work and the further blessing of women to rape in ingenuous ways.",
">\n\nLet Croft and Fox rot for the next decade and a half. We’ll see how militant they are when they’re in their late 60s and have aged in the US prison system.",
">\n\nProbably…. More so?",
">\n\nMore so, but no one will go near them. A plot like that, they won't be able to walk past a laptop without the FBI knowing where they are after they're out. No one in their right mind would bring them back into their group.",
">\n\nImagine being so angry at being made to wear masks indoors, you plot to kill a government official, and will now spend the rest of your productive life behind bars ( he's 47 now). All because of having to wear a mask in Wal-Mart!",
">\n\nWhen you lose your freedoms because you don't understand your freedoms.",
">\n\nLoosing your freedoms because you stood up for your freedums…..",
">\n\nThis was a good one",
">\n\nNot really",
">\n\nYesterday the guy who was sentenced looked like a potato and this one looks like the kind of guy who would throw rocks at you for walking near his gold digging spot",
">\n\nGrew up in Michigan. Me: \"Shit, I think I know that guy...oh good, no, it's just his doppelganger.\" Both f-ing times.",
">\n\nSame. My first fear was that at least one of them would turn out to be a family member. Thankfully none... but many look awfully familiar.",
">\n\nProbably about time to take down the “My governor is an idiot” yard signs, Michiganders.",
">\n\nFinding out intensifies……",
">\n\n“(Defense attorney) Blanchard, who got emotional in the courtroom when speaking about Croft’s three children, told reporters outside the courthouse that the sentence means Croft will not get to see his kids grow up.”\nWell, when you try to kidnap and assassinate a governor because you don’t want to wear a mask or stay 6’ away from people because of a fucking pandemic, bad things end up happening to you. \n“Blanchard also maintained that Croft wasn’t the “ideas guy” he’s been portrayed as. He insisted that “most of what Mr. Croft said was excluded because the government didn’t want the jury to hear it.” “\nYeah, it’s not that the “government didn’t want the jury to hear it”. Court doesn’t work that way. The defense attorney didn’t get the testimony excluded. If Croft had a better attorney he might have gotten off, or a lighter sentence. \nThis Blanchard puke is as bad as the felons he represented. Crybaby failure all the way around…",
">\n\nHim not seeing his kids is probably the best thing for them. We don’t need more copies of him.",
">\n\nLooks like that \"the FBI are the ones who suggested it to us and egged us on\" defense didn't hold up.",
">\n\nBecause it was a lie.",
">\n\nNot on the \"gateway pundit,\" where they throw all kinds of insane, exaggerated reasons for ultra-maga crimes\nthat site is one of my favorite hate reads",
">\n\n\n“This man is fully radicalized. He hasn’t changed his viewpoint,” Kessler added. “He’s not admitting the ideas are wrong because he still holds them. This whole thing was Mr. Croft’s idea.”\n\n-\n\nA different jury in Grand Rapids couldn’t reach a verdict on the pair at the first trial last spring but acquitted two other men.\n\nMan, it sounds more and more like the first trial just had (at least) one Michigan Militia type who would have never convicted on any grounds at all.",
">\n\nI just find it hilarious that this group who claimed they were so aware of big government terror compared to us sheep. ..was infiltrated by a FBI informant rather easily lol.\nI'd say I'd wanna see the movie one day but it's probably just the FBI informant making a Facebook posting down with liberals and he was welcomed with open arms.\nEdit - I just realized that it seems I'm making light of the FBI informants job. I am not. I could not do that job and be looking over my shoulder basically not living my own life for months to years.",
">\n\nIt wasn't even an FBI agent, it was just some former military dude who joined their military gun drill club and heard their very detailed plot to execute cops and told his cop buddy about it. The cop buddy was like, fuck, that sounds real lemme ask the FBI what to do. The FBI told the guy, hey, can you, like, stay friends with them and just kinda let us know if they do anything really crazy like ask where to buy a bomb to blow up a bridge?\nAnd then they were like, shit, we need a bomb to blow up a bridge as a diversion. You were in the military, do you know anyone? And the dude was like, uh, yeah, let me ask my old buddy Fred Ben Iver.",
">\n\nThey need to do some of that kind of work to grab whoever is behind all of the power stations being hit.",
">\n\nIt is very likely it is completely separate groups. The white supremacist movement (which all this antigovernmental stuff right now is part of and/or grew out of), does everything they can to stay autonomous so that if one cell goes down there is no connection. They can spread their ideology and tactics by just putting them out there on certain forums and are never directly involved, yet have the freedom of speech cover.",
">\n\nIts probably going to be a rite of passage, like being jumped into a gang. Except it is also like having a Canadian girlfriend.\nIf you want domestic terrorist clout at the local watering hole you brag, \"You know that electrical substation that got taken out? Not saying I was directly involved, but not necessarily denying either.\"\nTo Law Enforcement you say, \"That's a lie. Ah gots rats!!\"\nSchrodinger's Terrorist.",
">\n\nHe looks like the kinda guy who’d try to buy bank robbery supplies from a pawn shop.",
">\n\nShort response: good. Longer response? Goooooooooooooooood.",
">\n\nTwo more 'o' and you'd have one for each year of his sentence.",
">\n\nAnother dumb fuck becomes a burden on taxpayers.",
">\n\nLet’s be honest: they were probably a burden to taxpayers beforehand.",
">\n\nYou know, kidnapping and killing US government officials isn't a good thing to do. Even if Trump says to do it.",
">\n\nYou got a weird way of spelling eventually.",
">\n\nWhat kind of country are we becoming where you cannot even kidnap your Governors? /sarcasm",
">\n\n19 years in prison essentially over not wanting to wear a mask.",
">\n\nMore like 19 years because you closed my bar for a few weeks and that’s unacceptable to redneck Michigan.",
">\n\nwell, if you still watch fox news you’re probably upset by this verdict. tucker carlson will agree with you and tell you why. but this is a reality check and you might want to take a step back and reevaluate your life before you end up storming the capital again or attacking a power grid",
">\n\nGood. Fuck them all.9"
] |
>
Judge Robert J. Jonker described him as “the idea guy” behind the plot
...
Delaware, man didn’t actually have authority over others and often frustrated them because he “just kept talking.”
Interesting that 'talker' of the group is getting hemmed up. Reminds me of another bigly idea guy who agitated a group of people to do crimes.
|
[
"At one point, Croft told allies: “I don’t like seeing anybody get killed either. But you don’t make an omelet without breaking a few eggs, you know what I mean?”\n\nI’ve never heard someone compassionate, full of empathy doing good for the world pull out that saying. It’s always someone trying to minimize some bullshit.",
">\n\nEvil is banal and mundane. As Hannah Arendt observes in her book Eichmann in Jerusalem, evil people like that use stock phrases and self-invented clichés, including ... you don’t make an omelet without breaking a few eggs ..., to justify their behaviour and lack of critical thinking. People delude themselves into believing they're genuinely good, righteous people.",
">\n\nYep, no one thinks \"muahaha, I am evil!\"",
">\n\nI mean, there’s some people that do. There was a certain subset of Nazis working in the prison camps who knew exactly what was going on, and genuinely enjoyed being there. Same with the Christian missionaries who enacted genocide on the natives - there were priests and nuns in those Catholic schools who willfully abused (and even murdered) kids. \nGenuine psychopaths exist. They’re the minority, but they’re out there. The “banality of evil” problem is that the Nazis and the Catholic church set up entire systems that protected and enabled them.",
">\n\nThe torturers during the inquisition LOVED their work. They got points for doing Gods work and the further blessing of women to rape in ingenuous ways.",
">\n\nLet Croft and Fox rot for the next decade and a half. We’ll see how militant they are when they’re in their late 60s and have aged in the US prison system.",
">\n\nProbably…. More so?",
">\n\nMore so, but no one will go near them. A plot like that, they won't be able to walk past a laptop without the FBI knowing where they are after they're out. No one in their right mind would bring them back into their group.",
">\n\nImagine being so angry at being made to wear masks indoors, you plot to kill a government official, and will now spend the rest of your productive life behind bars ( he's 47 now). All because of having to wear a mask in Wal-Mart!",
">\n\nWhen you lose your freedoms because you don't understand your freedoms.",
">\n\nLoosing your freedoms because you stood up for your freedums…..",
">\n\nThis was a good one",
">\n\nNot really",
">\n\nYesterday the guy who was sentenced looked like a potato and this one looks like the kind of guy who would throw rocks at you for walking near his gold digging spot",
">\n\nGrew up in Michigan. Me: \"Shit, I think I know that guy...oh good, no, it's just his doppelganger.\" Both f-ing times.",
">\n\nSame. My first fear was that at least one of them would turn out to be a family member. Thankfully none... but many look awfully familiar.",
">\n\nProbably about time to take down the “My governor is an idiot” yard signs, Michiganders.",
">\n\nFinding out intensifies……",
">\n\n“(Defense attorney) Blanchard, who got emotional in the courtroom when speaking about Croft’s three children, told reporters outside the courthouse that the sentence means Croft will not get to see his kids grow up.”\nWell, when you try to kidnap and assassinate a governor because you don’t want to wear a mask or stay 6’ away from people because of a fucking pandemic, bad things end up happening to you. \n“Blanchard also maintained that Croft wasn’t the “ideas guy” he’s been portrayed as. He insisted that “most of what Mr. Croft said was excluded because the government didn’t want the jury to hear it.” “\nYeah, it’s not that the “government didn’t want the jury to hear it”. Court doesn’t work that way. The defense attorney didn’t get the testimony excluded. If Croft had a better attorney he might have gotten off, or a lighter sentence. \nThis Blanchard puke is as bad as the felons he represented. Crybaby failure all the way around…",
">\n\nHim not seeing his kids is probably the best thing for them. We don’t need more copies of him.",
">\n\nLooks like that \"the FBI are the ones who suggested it to us and egged us on\" defense didn't hold up.",
">\n\nBecause it was a lie.",
">\n\nNot on the \"gateway pundit,\" where they throw all kinds of insane, exaggerated reasons for ultra-maga crimes\nthat site is one of my favorite hate reads",
">\n\n\n“This man is fully radicalized. He hasn’t changed his viewpoint,” Kessler added. “He’s not admitting the ideas are wrong because he still holds them. This whole thing was Mr. Croft’s idea.”\n\n-\n\nA different jury in Grand Rapids couldn’t reach a verdict on the pair at the first trial last spring but acquitted two other men.\n\nMan, it sounds more and more like the first trial just had (at least) one Michigan Militia type who would have never convicted on any grounds at all.",
">\n\nI just find it hilarious that this group who claimed they were so aware of big government terror compared to us sheep. ..was infiltrated by a FBI informant rather easily lol.\nI'd say I'd wanna see the movie one day but it's probably just the FBI informant making a Facebook posting down with liberals and he was welcomed with open arms.\nEdit - I just realized that it seems I'm making light of the FBI informants job. I am not. I could not do that job and be looking over my shoulder basically not living my own life for months to years.",
">\n\nIt wasn't even an FBI agent, it was just some former military dude who joined their military gun drill club and heard their very detailed plot to execute cops and told his cop buddy about it. The cop buddy was like, fuck, that sounds real lemme ask the FBI what to do. The FBI told the guy, hey, can you, like, stay friends with them and just kinda let us know if they do anything really crazy like ask where to buy a bomb to blow up a bridge?\nAnd then they were like, shit, we need a bomb to blow up a bridge as a diversion. You were in the military, do you know anyone? And the dude was like, uh, yeah, let me ask my old buddy Fred Ben Iver.",
">\n\nThey need to do some of that kind of work to grab whoever is behind all of the power stations being hit.",
">\n\nIt is very likely it is completely separate groups. The white supremacist movement (which all this antigovernmental stuff right now is part of and/or grew out of), does everything they can to stay autonomous so that if one cell goes down there is no connection. They can spread their ideology and tactics by just putting them out there on certain forums and are never directly involved, yet have the freedom of speech cover.",
">\n\nIts probably going to be a rite of passage, like being jumped into a gang. Except it is also like having a Canadian girlfriend.\nIf you want domestic terrorist clout at the local watering hole you brag, \"You know that electrical substation that got taken out? Not saying I was directly involved, but not necessarily denying either.\"\nTo Law Enforcement you say, \"That's a lie. Ah gots rats!!\"\nSchrodinger's Terrorist.",
">\n\nHe looks like the kinda guy who’d try to buy bank robbery supplies from a pawn shop.",
">\n\nShort response: good. Longer response? Goooooooooooooooood.",
">\n\nTwo more 'o' and you'd have one for each year of his sentence.",
">\n\nAnother dumb fuck becomes a burden on taxpayers.",
">\n\nLet’s be honest: they were probably a burden to taxpayers beforehand.",
">\n\nYou know, kidnapping and killing US government officials isn't a good thing to do. Even if Trump says to do it.",
">\n\nYou got a weird way of spelling eventually.",
">\n\nWhat kind of country are we becoming where you cannot even kidnap your Governors? /sarcasm",
">\n\n19 years in prison essentially over not wanting to wear a mask.",
">\n\nMore like 19 years because you closed my bar for a few weeks and that’s unacceptable to redneck Michigan.",
">\n\nwell, if you still watch fox news you’re probably upset by this verdict. tucker carlson will agree with you and tell you why. but this is a reality check and you might want to take a step back and reevaluate your life before you end up storming the capital again or attacking a power grid",
">\n\nGood. Fuck them all.9",
">\n\nPrimeee definition of fuck around and find out…imagine wasting 19 years of your life because you thought you were smart enough to hatch a terror attack on a fucking online message board that had fbi agents on it 💀💀and that baddie STILL won releection. \nenjoy prison biatch, go big gretch. she seems like a pretty cool lady."
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More of this, judicial system.
|
[
"At one point, Croft told allies: “I don’t like seeing anybody get killed either. But you don’t make an omelet without breaking a few eggs, you know what I mean?”\n\nI’ve never heard someone compassionate, full of empathy doing good for the world pull out that saying. It’s always someone trying to minimize some bullshit.",
">\n\nEvil is banal and mundane. As Hannah Arendt observes in her book Eichmann in Jerusalem, evil people like that use stock phrases and self-invented clichés, including ... you don’t make an omelet without breaking a few eggs ..., to justify their behaviour and lack of critical thinking. People delude themselves into believing they're genuinely good, righteous people.",
">\n\nYep, no one thinks \"muahaha, I am evil!\"",
">\n\nI mean, there’s some people that do. There was a certain subset of Nazis working in the prison camps who knew exactly what was going on, and genuinely enjoyed being there. Same with the Christian missionaries who enacted genocide on the natives - there were priests and nuns in those Catholic schools who willfully abused (and even murdered) kids. \nGenuine psychopaths exist. They’re the minority, but they’re out there. The “banality of evil” problem is that the Nazis and the Catholic church set up entire systems that protected and enabled them.",
">\n\nThe torturers during the inquisition LOVED their work. They got points for doing Gods work and the further blessing of women to rape in ingenuous ways.",
">\n\nLet Croft and Fox rot for the next decade and a half. We’ll see how militant they are when they’re in their late 60s and have aged in the US prison system.",
">\n\nProbably…. More so?",
">\n\nMore so, but no one will go near them. A plot like that, they won't be able to walk past a laptop without the FBI knowing where they are after they're out. No one in their right mind would bring them back into their group.",
">\n\nImagine being so angry at being made to wear masks indoors, you plot to kill a government official, and will now spend the rest of your productive life behind bars ( he's 47 now). All because of having to wear a mask in Wal-Mart!",
">\n\nWhen you lose your freedoms because you don't understand your freedoms.",
">\n\nLoosing your freedoms because you stood up for your freedums…..",
">\n\nThis was a good one",
">\n\nNot really",
">\n\nYesterday the guy who was sentenced looked like a potato and this one looks like the kind of guy who would throw rocks at you for walking near his gold digging spot",
">\n\nGrew up in Michigan. Me: \"Shit, I think I know that guy...oh good, no, it's just his doppelganger.\" Both f-ing times.",
">\n\nSame. My first fear was that at least one of them would turn out to be a family member. Thankfully none... but many look awfully familiar.",
">\n\nProbably about time to take down the “My governor is an idiot” yard signs, Michiganders.",
">\n\nFinding out intensifies……",
">\n\n“(Defense attorney) Blanchard, who got emotional in the courtroom when speaking about Croft’s three children, told reporters outside the courthouse that the sentence means Croft will not get to see his kids grow up.”\nWell, when you try to kidnap and assassinate a governor because you don’t want to wear a mask or stay 6’ away from people because of a fucking pandemic, bad things end up happening to you. \n“Blanchard also maintained that Croft wasn’t the “ideas guy” he’s been portrayed as. He insisted that “most of what Mr. Croft said was excluded because the government didn’t want the jury to hear it.” “\nYeah, it’s not that the “government didn’t want the jury to hear it”. Court doesn’t work that way. The defense attorney didn’t get the testimony excluded. If Croft had a better attorney he might have gotten off, or a lighter sentence. \nThis Blanchard puke is as bad as the felons he represented. Crybaby failure all the way around…",
">\n\nHim not seeing his kids is probably the best thing for them. We don’t need more copies of him.",
">\n\nLooks like that \"the FBI are the ones who suggested it to us and egged us on\" defense didn't hold up.",
">\n\nBecause it was a lie.",
">\n\nNot on the \"gateway pundit,\" where they throw all kinds of insane, exaggerated reasons for ultra-maga crimes\nthat site is one of my favorite hate reads",
">\n\n\n“This man is fully radicalized. He hasn’t changed his viewpoint,” Kessler added. “He’s not admitting the ideas are wrong because he still holds them. This whole thing was Mr. Croft’s idea.”\n\n-\n\nA different jury in Grand Rapids couldn’t reach a verdict on the pair at the first trial last spring but acquitted two other men.\n\nMan, it sounds more and more like the first trial just had (at least) one Michigan Militia type who would have never convicted on any grounds at all.",
">\n\nI just find it hilarious that this group who claimed they were so aware of big government terror compared to us sheep. ..was infiltrated by a FBI informant rather easily lol.\nI'd say I'd wanna see the movie one day but it's probably just the FBI informant making a Facebook posting down with liberals and he was welcomed with open arms.\nEdit - I just realized that it seems I'm making light of the FBI informants job. I am not. I could not do that job and be looking over my shoulder basically not living my own life for months to years.",
">\n\nIt wasn't even an FBI agent, it was just some former military dude who joined their military gun drill club and heard their very detailed plot to execute cops and told his cop buddy about it. The cop buddy was like, fuck, that sounds real lemme ask the FBI what to do. The FBI told the guy, hey, can you, like, stay friends with them and just kinda let us know if they do anything really crazy like ask where to buy a bomb to blow up a bridge?\nAnd then they were like, shit, we need a bomb to blow up a bridge as a diversion. You were in the military, do you know anyone? And the dude was like, uh, yeah, let me ask my old buddy Fred Ben Iver.",
">\n\nThey need to do some of that kind of work to grab whoever is behind all of the power stations being hit.",
">\n\nIt is very likely it is completely separate groups. The white supremacist movement (which all this antigovernmental stuff right now is part of and/or grew out of), does everything they can to stay autonomous so that if one cell goes down there is no connection. They can spread their ideology and tactics by just putting them out there on certain forums and are never directly involved, yet have the freedom of speech cover.",
">\n\nIts probably going to be a rite of passage, like being jumped into a gang. Except it is also like having a Canadian girlfriend.\nIf you want domestic terrorist clout at the local watering hole you brag, \"You know that electrical substation that got taken out? Not saying I was directly involved, but not necessarily denying either.\"\nTo Law Enforcement you say, \"That's a lie. Ah gots rats!!\"\nSchrodinger's Terrorist.",
">\n\nHe looks like the kinda guy who’d try to buy bank robbery supplies from a pawn shop.",
">\n\nShort response: good. Longer response? Goooooooooooooooood.",
">\n\nTwo more 'o' and you'd have one for each year of his sentence.",
">\n\nAnother dumb fuck becomes a burden on taxpayers.",
">\n\nLet’s be honest: they were probably a burden to taxpayers beforehand.",
">\n\nYou know, kidnapping and killing US government officials isn't a good thing to do. Even if Trump says to do it.",
">\n\nYou got a weird way of spelling eventually.",
">\n\nWhat kind of country are we becoming where you cannot even kidnap your Governors? /sarcasm",
">\n\n19 years in prison essentially over not wanting to wear a mask.",
">\n\nMore like 19 years because you closed my bar for a few weeks and that’s unacceptable to redneck Michigan.",
">\n\nwell, if you still watch fox news you’re probably upset by this verdict. tucker carlson will agree with you and tell you why. but this is a reality check and you might want to take a step back and reevaluate your life before you end up storming the capital again or attacking a power grid",
">\n\nGood. Fuck them all.9",
">\n\nPrimeee definition of fuck around and find out…imagine wasting 19 years of your life because you thought you were smart enough to hatch a terror attack on a fucking online message board that had fbi agents on it 💀💀and that baddie STILL won releection. \nenjoy prison biatch, go big gretch. she seems like a pretty cool lady.",
">\n\n\nJudge Robert J. Jonker described him as “the idea guy” behind the plot\n...\nDelaware, man didn’t actually have authority over others and often frustrated them because he “just kept talking.”\n\nInteresting that 'talker' of the group is getting hemmed up. Reminds me of another bigly idea guy who agitated a group of people to do crimes."
] |
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Bbbbbut the FBI made me do it!
|
[
"At one point, Croft told allies: “I don’t like seeing anybody get killed either. But you don’t make an omelet without breaking a few eggs, you know what I mean?”\n\nI’ve never heard someone compassionate, full of empathy doing good for the world pull out that saying. It’s always someone trying to minimize some bullshit.",
">\n\nEvil is banal and mundane. As Hannah Arendt observes in her book Eichmann in Jerusalem, evil people like that use stock phrases and self-invented clichés, including ... you don’t make an omelet without breaking a few eggs ..., to justify their behaviour and lack of critical thinking. People delude themselves into believing they're genuinely good, righteous people.",
">\n\nYep, no one thinks \"muahaha, I am evil!\"",
">\n\nI mean, there’s some people that do. There was a certain subset of Nazis working in the prison camps who knew exactly what was going on, and genuinely enjoyed being there. Same with the Christian missionaries who enacted genocide on the natives - there were priests and nuns in those Catholic schools who willfully abused (and even murdered) kids. \nGenuine psychopaths exist. They’re the minority, but they’re out there. The “banality of evil” problem is that the Nazis and the Catholic church set up entire systems that protected and enabled them.",
">\n\nThe torturers during the inquisition LOVED their work. They got points for doing Gods work and the further blessing of women to rape in ingenuous ways.",
">\n\nLet Croft and Fox rot for the next decade and a half. We’ll see how militant they are when they’re in their late 60s and have aged in the US prison system.",
">\n\nProbably…. More so?",
">\n\nMore so, but no one will go near them. A plot like that, they won't be able to walk past a laptop without the FBI knowing where they are after they're out. No one in their right mind would bring them back into their group.",
">\n\nImagine being so angry at being made to wear masks indoors, you plot to kill a government official, and will now spend the rest of your productive life behind bars ( he's 47 now). All because of having to wear a mask in Wal-Mart!",
">\n\nWhen you lose your freedoms because you don't understand your freedoms.",
">\n\nLoosing your freedoms because you stood up for your freedums…..",
">\n\nThis was a good one",
">\n\nNot really",
">\n\nYesterday the guy who was sentenced looked like a potato and this one looks like the kind of guy who would throw rocks at you for walking near his gold digging spot",
">\n\nGrew up in Michigan. Me: \"Shit, I think I know that guy...oh good, no, it's just his doppelganger.\" Both f-ing times.",
">\n\nSame. My first fear was that at least one of them would turn out to be a family member. Thankfully none... but many look awfully familiar.",
">\n\nProbably about time to take down the “My governor is an idiot” yard signs, Michiganders.",
">\n\nFinding out intensifies……",
">\n\n“(Defense attorney) Blanchard, who got emotional in the courtroom when speaking about Croft’s three children, told reporters outside the courthouse that the sentence means Croft will not get to see his kids grow up.”\nWell, when you try to kidnap and assassinate a governor because you don’t want to wear a mask or stay 6’ away from people because of a fucking pandemic, bad things end up happening to you. \n“Blanchard also maintained that Croft wasn’t the “ideas guy” he’s been portrayed as. He insisted that “most of what Mr. Croft said was excluded because the government didn’t want the jury to hear it.” “\nYeah, it’s not that the “government didn’t want the jury to hear it”. Court doesn’t work that way. The defense attorney didn’t get the testimony excluded. If Croft had a better attorney he might have gotten off, or a lighter sentence. \nThis Blanchard puke is as bad as the felons he represented. Crybaby failure all the way around…",
">\n\nHim not seeing his kids is probably the best thing for them. We don’t need more copies of him.",
">\n\nLooks like that \"the FBI are the ones who suggested it to us and egged us on\" defense didn't hold up.",
">\n\nBecause it was a lie.",
">\n\nNot on the \"gateway pundit,\" where they throw all kinds of insane, exaggerated reasons for ultra-maga crimes\nthat site is one of my favorite hate reads",
">\n\n\n“This man is fully radicalized. He hasn’t changed his viewpoint,” Kessler added. “He’s not admitting the ideas are wrong because he still holds them. This whole thing was Mr. Croft’s idea.”\n\n-\n\nA different jury in Grand Rapids couldn’t reach a verdict on the pair at the first trial last spring but acquitted two other men.\n\nMan, it sounds more and more like the first trial just had (at least) one Michigan Militia type who would have never convicted on any grounds at all.",
">\n\nI just find it hilarious that this group who claimed they were so aware of big government terror compared to us sheep. ..was infiltrated by a FBI informant rather easily lol.\nI'd say I'd wanna see the movie one day but it's probably just the FBI informant making a Facebook posting down with liberals and he was welcomed with open arms.\nEdit - I just realized that it seems I'm making light of the FBI informants job. I am not. I could not do that job and be looking over my shoulder basically not living my own life for months to years.",
">\n\nIt wasn't even an FBI agent, it was just some former military dude who joined their military gun drill club and heard their very detailed plot to execute cops and told his cop buddy about it. The cop buddy was like, fuck, that sounds real lemme ask the FBI what to do. The FBI told the guy, hey, can you, like, stay friends with them and just kinda let us know if they do anything really crazy like ask where to buy a bomb to blow up a bridge?\nAnd then they were like, shit, we need a bomb to blow up a bridge as a diversion. You were in the military, do you know anyone? And the dude was like, uh, yeah, let me ask my old buddy Fred Ben Iver.",
">\n\nThey need to do some of that kind of work to grab whoever is behind all of the power stations being hit.",
">\n\nIt is very likely it is completely separate groups. The white supremacist movement (which all this antigovernmental stuff right now is part of and/or grew out of), does everything they can to stay autonomous so that if one cell goes down there is no connection. They can spread their ideology and tactics by just putting them out there on certain forums and are never directly involved, yet have the freedom of speech cover.",
">\n\nIts probably going to be a rite of passage, like being jumped into a gang. Except it is also like having a Canadian girlfriend.\nIf you want domestic terrorist clout at the local watering hole you brag, \"You know that electrical substation that got taken out? Not saying I was directly involved, but not necessarily denying either.\"\nTo Law Enforcement you say, \"That's a lie. Ah gots rats!!\"\nSchrodinger's Terrorist.",
">\n\nHe looks like the kinda guy who’d try to buy bank robbery supplies from a pawn shop.",
">\n\nShort response: good. Longer response? Goooooooooooooooood.",
">\n\nTwo more 'o' and you'd have one for each year of his sentence.",
">\n\nAnother dumb fuck becomes a burden on taxpayers.",
">\n\nLet’s be honest: they were probably a burden to taxpayers beforehand.",
">\n\nYou know, kidnapping and killing US government officials isn't a good thing to do. Even if Trump says to do it.",
">\n\nYou got a weird way of spelling eventually.",
">\n\nWhat kind of country are we becoming where you cannot even kidnap your Governors? /sarcasm",
">\n\n19 years in prison essentially over not wanting to wear a mask.",
">\n\nMore like 19 years because you closed my bar for a few weeks and that’s unacceptable to redneck Michigan.",
">\n\nwell, if you still watch fox news you’re probably upset by this verdict. tucker carlson will agree with you and tell you why. but this is a reality check and you might want to take a step back and reevaluate your life before you end up storming the capital again or attacking a power grid",
">\n\nGood. Fuck them all.9",
">\n\nPrimeee definition of fuck around and find out…imagine wasting 19 years of your life because you thought you were smart enough to hatch a terror attack on a fucking online message board that had fbi agents on it 💀💀and that baddie STILL won releection. \nenjoy prison biatch, go big gretch. she seems like a pretty cool lady.",
">\n\n\nJudge Robert J. Jonker described him as “the idea guy” behind the plot\n...\nDelaware, man didn’t actually have authority over others and often frustrated them because he “just kept talking.”\n\nInteresting that 'talker' of the group is getting hemmed up. Reminds me of another bigly idea guy who agitated a group of people to do crimes.",
">\n\nMore of this, judicial system."
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Long compared to what? We got people locked up twice as long for weed in this country.
|
[
"At one point, Croft told allies: “I don’t like seeing anybody get killed either. But you don’t make an omelet without breaking a few eggs, you know what I mean?”\n\nI’ve never heard someone compassionate, full of empathy doing good for the world pull out that saying. It’s always someone trying to minimize some bullshit.",
">\n\nEvil is banal and mundane. As Hannah Arendt observes in her book Eichmann in Jerusalem, evil people like that use stock phrases and self-invented clichés, including ... you don’t make an omelet without breaking a few eggs ..., to justify their behaviour and lack of critical thinking. People delude themselves into believing they're genuinely good, righteous people.",
">\n\nYep, no one thinks \"muahaha, I am evil!\"",
">\n\nI mean, there’s some people that do. There was a certain subset of Nazis working in the prison camps who knew exactly what was going on, and genuinely enjoyed being there. Same with the Christian missionaries who enacted genocide on the natives - there were priests and nuns in those Catholic schools who willfully abused (and even murdered) kids. \nGenuine psychopaths exist. They’re the minority, but they’re out there. The “banality of evil” problem is that the Nazis and the Catholic church set up entire systems that protected and enabled them.",
">\n\nThe torturers during the inquisition LOVED their work. They got points for doing Gods work and the further blessing of women to rape in ingenuous ways.",
">\n\nLet Croft and Fox rot for the next decade and a half. We’ll see how militant they are when they’re in their late 60s and have aged in the US prison system.",
">\n\nProbably…. More so?",
">\n\nMore so, but no one will go near them. A plot like that, they won't be able to walk past a laptop without the FBI knowing where they are after they're out. No one in their right mind would bring them back into their group.",
">\n\nImagine being so angry at being made to wear masks indoors, you plot to kill a government official, and will now spend the rest of your productive life behind bars ( he's 47 now). All because of having to wear a mask in Wal-Mart!",
">\n\nWhen you lose your freedoms because you don't understand your freedoms.",
">\n\nLoosing your freedoms because you stood up for your freedums…..",
">\n\nThis was a good one",
">\n\nNot really",
">\n\nYesterday the guy who was sentenced looked like a potato and this one looks like the kind of guy who would throw rocks at you for walking near his gold digging spot",
">\n\nGrew up in Michigan. Me: \"Shit, I think I know that guy...oh good, no, it's just his doppelganger.\" Both f-ing times.",
">\n\nSame. My first fear was that at least one of them would turn out to be a family member. Thankfully none... but many look awfully familiar.",
">\n\nProbably about time to take down the “My governor is an idiot” yard signs, Michiganders.",
">\n\nFinding out intensifies……",
">\n\n“(Defense attorney) Blanchard, who got emotional in the courtroom when speaking about Croft’s three children, told reporters outside the courthouse that the sentence means Croft will not get to see his kids grow up.”\nWell, when you try to kidnap and assassinate a governor because you don’t want to wear a mask or stay 6’ away from people because of a fucking pandemic, bad things end up happening to you. \n“Blanchard also maintained that Croft wasn’t the “ideas guy” he’s been portrayed as. He insisted that “most of what Mr. Croft said was excluded because the government didn’t want the jury to hear it.” “\nYeah, it’s not that the “government didn’t want the jury to hear it”. Court doesn’t work that way. The defense attorney didn’t get the testimony excluded. If Croft had a better attorney he might have gotten off, or a lighter sentence. \nThis Blanchard puke is as bad as the felons he represented. Crybaby failure all the way around…",
">\n\nHim not seeing his kids is probably the best thing for them. We don’t need more copies of him.",
">\n\nLooks like that \"the FBI are the ones who suggested it to us and egged us on\" defense didn't hold up.",
">\n\nBecause it was a lie.",
">\n\nNot on the \"gateway pundit,\" where they throw all kinds of insane, exaggerated reasons for ultra-maga crimes\nthat site is one of my favorite hate reads",
">\n\n\n“This man is fully radicalized. He hasn’t changed his viewpoint,” Kessler added. “He’s not admitting the ideas are wrong because he still holds them. This whole thing was Mr. Croft’s idea.”\n\n-\n\nA different jury in Grand Rapids couldn’t reach a verdict on the pair at the first trial last spring but acquitted two other men.\n\nMan, it sounds more and more like the first trial just had (at least) one Michigan Militia type who would have never convicted on any grounds at all.",
">\n\nI just find it hilarious that this group who claimed they were so aware of big government terror compared to us sheep. ..was infiltrated by a FBI informant rather easily lol.\nI'd say I'd wanna see the movie one day but it's probably just the FBI informant making a Facebook posting down with liberals and he was welcomed with open arms.\nEdit - I just realized that it seems I'm making light of the FBI informants job. I am not. I could not do that job and be looking over my shoulder basically not living my own life for months to years.",
">\n\nIt wasn't even an FBI agent, it was just some former military dude who joined their military gun drill club and heard their very detailed plot to execute cops and told his cop buddy about it. The cop buddy was like, fuck, that sounds real lemme ask the FBI what to do. The FBI told the guy, hey, can you, like, stay friends with them and just kinda let us know if they do anything really crazy like ask where to buy a bomb to blow up a bridge?\nAnd then they were like, shit, we need a bomb to blow up a bridge as a diversion. You were in the military, do you know anyone? And the dude was like, uh, yeah, let me ask my old buddy Fred Ben Iver.",
">\n\nThey need to do some of that kind of work to grab whoever is behind all of the power stations being hit.",
">\n\nIt is very likely it is completely separate groups. The white supremacist movement (which all this antigovernmental stuff right now is part of and/or grew out of), does everything they can to stay autonomous so that if one cell goes down there is no connection. They can spread their ideology and tactics by just putting them out there on certain forums and are never directly involved, yet have the freedom of speech cover.",
">\n\nIts probably going to be a rite of passage, like being jumped into a gang. Except it is also like having a Canadian girlfriend.\nIf you want domestic terrorist clout at the local watering hole you brag, \"You know that electrical substation that got taken out? Not saying I was directly involved, but not necessarily denying either.\"\nTo Law Enforcement you say, \"That's a lie. Ah gots rats!!\"\nSchrodinger's Terrorist.",
">\n\nHe looks like the kinda guy who’d try to buy bank robbery supplies from a pawn shop.",
">\n\nShort response: good. Longer response? Goooooooooooooooood.",
">\n\nTwo more 'o' and you'd have one for each year of his sentence.",
">\n\nAnother dumb fuck becomes a burden on taxpayers.",
">\n\nLet’s be honest: they were probably a burden to taxpayers beforehand.",
">\n\nYou know, kidnapping and killing US government officials isn't a good thing to do. Even if Trump says to do it.",
">\n\nYou got a weird way of spelling eventually.",
">\n\nWhat kind of country are we becoming where you cannot even kidnap your Governors? /sarcasm",
">\n\n19 years in prison essentially over not wanting to wear a mask.",
">\n\nMore like 19 years because you closed my bar for a few weeks and that’s unacceptable to redneck Michigan.",
">\n\nwell, if you still watch fox news you’re probably upset by this verdict. tucker carlson will agree with you and tell you why. but this is a reality check and you might want to take a step back and reevaluate your life before you end up storming the capital again or attacking a power grid",
">\n\nGood. Fuck them all.9",
">\n\nPrimeee definition of fuck around and find out…imagine wasting 19 years of your life because you thought you were smart enough to hatch a terror attack on a fucking online message board that had fbi agents on it 💀💀and that baddie STILL won releection. \nenjoy prison biatch, go big gretch. she seems like a pretty cool lady.",
">\n\n\nJudge Robert J. Jonker described him as “the idea guy” behind the plot\n...\nDelaware, man didn’t actually have authority over others and often frustrated them because he “just kept talking.”\n\nInteresting that 'talker' of the group is getting hemmed up. Reminds me of another bigly idea guy who agitated a group of people to do crimes.",
">\n\nMore of this, judicial system.",
">\n\nBbbbbut the FBI made me do it!"
] |
>
Still not long enough
|
[
"At one point, Croft told allies: “I don’t like seeing anybody get killed either. But you don’t make an omelet without breaking a few eggs, you know what I mean?”\n\nI’ve never heard someone compassionate, full of empathy doing good for the world pull out that saying. It’s always someone trying to minimize some bullshit.",
">\n\nEvil is banal and mundane. As Hannah Arendt observes in her book Eichmann in Jerusalem, evil people like that use stock phrases and self-invented clichés, including ... you don’t make an omelet without breaking a few eggs ..., to justify their behaviour and lack of critical thinking. People delude themselves into believing they're genuinely good, righteous people.",
">\n\nYep, no one thinks \"muahaha, I am evil!\"",
">\n\nI mean, there’s some people that do. There was a certain subset of Nazis working in the prison camps who knew exactly what was going on, and genuinely enjoyed being there. Same with the Christian missionaries who enacted genocide on the natives - there were priests and nuns in those Catholic schools who willfully abused (and even murdered) kids. \nGenuine psychopaths exist. They’re the minority, but they’re out there. The “banality of evil” problem is that the Nazis and the Catholic church set up entire systems that protected and enabled them.",
">\n\nThe torturers during the inquisition LOVED their work. They got points for doing Gods work and the further blessing of women to rape in ingenuous ways.",
">\n\nLet Croft and Fox rot for the next decade and a half. We’ll see how militant they are when they’re in their late 60s and have aged in the US prison system.",
">\n\nProbably…. More so?",
">\n\nMore so, but no one will go near them. A plot like that, they won't be able to walk past a laptop without the FBI knowing where they are after they're out. No one in their right mind would bring them back into their group.",
">\n\nImagine being so angry at being made to wear masks indoors, you plot to kill a government official, and will now spend the rest of your productive life behind bars ( he's 47 now). All because of having to wear a mask in Wal-Mart!",
">\n\nWhen you lose your freedoms because you don't understand your freedoms.",
">\n\nLoosing your freedoms because you stood up for your freedums…..",
">\n\nThis was a good one",
">\n\nNot really",
">\n\nYesterday the guy who was sentenced looked like a potato and this one looks like the kind of guy who would throw rocks at you for walking near his gold digging spot",
">\n\nGrew up in Michigan. Me: \"Shit, I think I know that guy...oh good, no, it's just his doppelganger.\" Both f-ing times.",
">\n\nSame. My first fear was that at least one of them would turn out to be a family member. Thankfully none... but many look awfully familiar.",
">\n\nProbably about time to take down the “My governor is an idiot” yard signs, Michiganders.",
">\n\nFinding out intensifies……",
">\n\n“(Defense attorney) Blanchard, who got emotional in the courtroom when speaking about Croft’s three children, told reporters outside the courthouse that the sentence means Croft will not get to see his kids grow up.”\nWell, when you try to kidnap and assassinate a governor because you don’t want to wear a mask or stay 6’ away from people because of a fucking pandemic, bad things end up happening to you. \n“Blanchard also maintained that Croft wasn’t the “ideas guy” he’s been portrayed as. He insisted that “most of what Mr. Croft said was excluded because the government didn’t want the jury to hear it.” “\nYeah, it’s not that the “government didn’t want the jury to hear it”. Court doesn’t work that way. The defense attorney didn’t get the testimony excluded. If Croft had a better attorney he might have gotten off, or a lighter sentence. \nThis Blanchard puke is as bad as the felons he represented. Crybaby failure all the way around…",
">\n\nHim not seeing his kids is probably the best thing for them. We don’t need more copies of him.",
">\n\nLooks like that \"the FBI are the ones who suggested it to us and egged us on\" defense didn't hold up.",
">\n\nBecause it was a lie.",
">\n\nNot on the \"gateway pundit,\" where they throw all kinds of insane, exaggerated reasons for ultra-maga crimes\nthat site is one of my favorite hate reads",
">\n\n\n“This man is fully radicalized. He hasn’t changed his viewpoint,” Kessler added. “He’s not admitting the ideas are wrong because he still holds them. This whole thing was Mr. Croft’s idea.”\n\n-\n\nA different jury in Grand Rapids couldn’t reach a verdict on the pair at the first trial last spring but acquitted two other men.\n\nMan, it sounds more and more like the first trial just had (at least) one Michigan Militia type who would have never convicted on any grounds at all.",
">\n\nI just find it hilarious that this group who claimed they were so aware of big government terror compared to us sheep. ..was infiltrated by a FBI informant rather easily lol.\nI'd say I'd wanna see the movie one day but it's probably just the FBI informant making a Facebook posting down with liberals and he was welcomed with open arms.\nEdit - I just realized that it seems I'm making light of the FBI informants job. I am not. I could not do that job and be looking over my shoulder basically not living my own life for months to years.",
">\n\nIt wasn't even an FBI agent, it was just some former military dude who joined their military gun drill club and heard their very detailed plot to execute cops and told his cop buddy about it. The cop buddy was like, fuck, that sounds real lemme ask the FBI what to do. The FBI told the guy, hey, can you, like, stay friends with them and just kinda let us know if they do anything really crazy like ask where to buy a bomb to blow up a bridge?\nAnd then they were like, shit, we need a bomb to blow up a bridge as a diversion. You were in the military, do you know anyone? And the dude was like, uh, yeah, let me ask my old buddy Fred Ben Iver.",
">\n\nThey need to do some of that kind of work to grab whoever is behind all of the power stations being hit.",
">\n\nIt is very likely it is completely separate groups. The white supremacist movement (which all this antigovernmental stuff right now is part of and/or grew out of), does everything they can to stay autonomous so that if one cell goes down there is no connection. They can spread their ideology and tactics by just putting them out there on certain forums and are never directly involved, yet have the freedom of speech cover.",
">\n\nIts probably going to be a rite of passage, like being jumped into a gang. Except it is also like having a Canadian girlfriend.\nIf you want domestic terrorist clout at the local watering hole you brag, \"You know that electrical substation that got taken out? Not saying I was directly involved, but not necessarily denying either.\"\nTo Law Enforcement you say, \"That's a lie. Ah gots rats!!\"\nSchrodinger's Terrorist.",
">\n\nHe looks like the kinda guy who’d try to buy bank robbery supplies from a pawn shop.",
">\n\nShort response: good. Longer response? Goooooooooooooooood.",
">\n\nTwo more 'o' and you'd have one for each year of his sentence.",
">\n\nAnother dumb fuck becomes a burden on taxpayers.",
">\n\nLet’s be honest: they were probably a burden to taxpayers beforehand.",
">\n\nYou know, kidnapping and killing US government officials isn't a good thing to do. Even if Trump says to do it.",
">\n\nYou got a weird way of spelling eventually.",
">\n\nWhat kind of country are we becoming where you cannot even kidnap your Governors? /sarcasm",
">\n\n19 years in prison essentially over not wanting to wear a mask.",
">\n\nMore like 19 years because you closed my bar for a few weeks and that’s unacceptable to redneck Michigan.",
">\n\nwell, if you still watch fox news you’re probably upset by this verdict. tucker carlson will agree with you and tell you why. but this is a reality check and you might want to take a step back and reevaluate your life before you end up storming the capital again or attacking a power grid",
">\n\nGood. Fuck them all.9",
">\n\nPrimeee definition of fuck around and find out…imagine wasting 19 years of your life because you thought you were smart enough to hatch a terror attack on a fucking online message board that had fbi agents on it 💀💀and that baddie STILL won releection. \nenjoy prison biatch, go big gretch. she seems like a pretty cool lady.",
">\n\n\nJudge Robert J. Jonker described him as “the idea guy” behind the plot\n...\nDelaware, man didn’t actually have authority over others and often frustrated them because he “just kept talking.”\n\nInteresting that 'talker' of the group is getting hemmed up. Reminds me of another bigly idea guy who agitated a group of people to do crimes.",
">\n\nMore of this, judicial system.",
">\n\nBbbbbut the FBI made me do it!",
">\n\nLong compared to what? We got people locked up twice as long for weed in this country."
] |
>
I agree, but at least he’ll be about 67 when he gets out, the last of the prime years of his life taken away from him.
|
[
"At one point, Croft told allies: “I don’t like seeing anybody get killed either. But you don’t make an omelet without breaking a few eggs, you know what I mean?”\n\nI’ve never heard someone compassionate, full of empathy doing good for the world pull out that saying. It’s always someone trying to minimize some bullshit.",
">\n\nEvil is banal and mundane. As Hannah Arendt observes in her book Eichmann in Jerusalem, evil people like that use stock phrases and self-invented clichés, including ... you don’t make an omelet without breaking a few eggs ..., to justify their behaviour and lack of critical thinking. People delude themselves into believing they're genuinely good, righteous people.",
">\n\nYep, no one thinks \"muahaha, I am evil!\"",
">\n\nI mean, there’s some people that do. There was a certain subset of Nazis working in the prison camps who knew exactly what was going on, and genuinely enjoyed being there. Same with the Christian missionaries who enacted genocide on the natives - there were priests and nuns in those Catholic schools who willfully abused (and even murdered) kids. \nGenuine psychopaths exist. They’re the minority, but they’re out there. The “banality of evil” problem is that the Nazis and the Catholic church set up entire systems that protected and enabled them.",
">\n\nThe torturers during the inquisition LOVED their work. They got points for doing Gods work and the further blessing of women to rape in ingenuous ways.",
">\n\nLet Croft and Fox rot for the next decade and a half. We’ll see how militant they are when they’re in their late 60s and have aged in the US prison system.",
">\n\nProbably…. More so?",
">\n\nMore so, but no one will go near them. A plot like that, they won't be able to walk past a laptop without the FBI knowing where they are after they're out. No one in their right mind would bring them back into their group.",
">\n\nImagine being so angry at being made to wear masks indoors, you plot to kill a government official, and will now spend the rest of your productive life behind bars ( he's 47 now). All because of having to wear a mask in Wal-Mart!",
">\n\nWhen you lose your freedoms because you don't understand your freedoms.",
">\n\nLoosing your freedoms because you stood up for your freedums…..",
">\n\nThis was a good one",
">\n\nNot really",
">\n\nYesterday the guy who was sentenced looked like a potato and this one looks like the kind of guy who would throw rocks at you for walking near his gold digging spot",
">\n\nGrew up in Michigan. Me: \"Shit, I think I know that guy...oh good, no, it's just his doppelganger.\" Both f-ing times.",
">\n\nSame. My first fear was that at least one of them would turn out to be a family member. Thankfully none... but many look awfully familiar.",
">\n\nProbably about time to take down the “My governor is an idiot” yard signs, Michiganders.",
">\n\nFinding out intensifies……",
">\n\n“(Defense attorney) Blanchard, who got emotional in the courtroom when speaking about Croft’s three children, told reporters outside the courthouse that the sentence means Croft will not get to see his kids grow up.”\nWell, when you try to kidnap and assassinate a governor because you don’t want to wear a mask or stay 6’ away from people because of a fucking pandemic, bad things end up happening to you. \n“Blanchard also maintained that Croft wasn’t the “ideas guy” he’s been portrayed as. He insisted that “most of what Mr. Croft said was excluded because the government didn’t want the jury to hear it.” “\nYeah, it’s not that the “government didn’t want the jury to hear it”. Court doesn’t work that way. The defense attorney didn’t get the testimony excluded. If Croft had a better attorney he might have gotten off, or a lighter sentence. \nThis Blanchard puke is as bad as the felons he represented. Crybaby failure all the way around…",
">\n\nHim not seeing his kids is probably the best thing for them. We don’t need more copies of him.",
">\n\nLooks like that \"the FBI are the ones who suggested it to us and egged us on\" defense didn't hold up.",
">\n\nBecause it was a lie.",
">\n\nNot on the \"gateway pundit,\" where they throw all kinds of insane, exaggerated reasons for ultra-maga crimes\nthat site is one of my favorite hate reads",
">\n\n\n“This man is fully radicalized. He hasn’t changed his viewpoint,” Kessler added. “He’s not admitting the ideas are wrong because he still holds them. This whole thing was Mr. Croft’s idea.”\n\n-\n\nA different jury in Grand Rapids couldn’t reach a verdict on the pair at the first trial last spring but acquitted two other men.\n\nMan, it sounds more and more like the first trial just had (at least) one Michigan Militia type who would have never convicted on any grounds at all.",
">\n\nI just find it hilarious that this group who claimed they were so aware of big government terror compared to us sheep. ..was infiltrated by a FBI informant rather easily lol.\nI'd say I'd wanna see the movie one day but it's probably just the FBI informant making a Facebook posting down with liberals and he was welcomed with open arms.\nEdit - I just realized that it seems I'm making light of the FBI informants job. I am not. I could not do that job and be looking over my shoulder basically not living my own life for months to years.",
">\n\nIt wasn't even an FBI agent, it was just some former military dude who joined their military gun drill club and heard their very detailed plot to execute cops and told his cop buddy about it. The cop buddy was like, fuck, that sounds real lemme ask the FBI what to do. The FBI told the guy, hey, can you, like, stay friends with them and just kinda let us know if they do anything really crazy like ask where to buy a bomb to blow up a bridge?\nAnd then they were like, shit, we need a bomb to blow up a bridge as a diversion. You were in the military, do you know anyone? And the dude was like, uh, yeah, let me ask my old buddy Fred Ben Iver.",
">\n\nThey need to do some of that kind of work to grab whoever is behind all of the power stations being hit.",
">\n\nIt is very likely it is completely separate groups. The white supremacist movement (which all this antigovernmental stuff right now is part of and/or grew out of), does everything they can to stay autonomous so that if one cell goes down there is no connection. They can spread their ideology and tactics by just putting them out there on certain forums and are never directly involved, yet have the freedom of speech cover.",
">\n\nIts probably going to be a rite of passage, like being jumped into a gang. Except it is also like having a Canadian girlfriend.\nIf you want domestic terrorist clout at the local watering hole you brag, \"You know that electrical substation that got taken out? Not saying I was directly involved, but not necessarily denying either.\"\nTo Law Enforcement you say, \"That's a lie. Ah gots rats!!\"\nSchrodinger's Terrorist.",
">\n\nHe looks like the kinda guy who’d try to buy bank robbery supplies from a pawn shop.",
">\n\nShort response: good. Longer response? Goooooooooooooooood.",
">\n\nTwo more 'o' and you'd have one for each year of his sentence.",
">\n\nAnother dumb fuck becomes a burden on taxpayers.",
">\n\nLet’s be honest: they were probably a burden to taxpayers beforehand.",
">\n\nYou know, kidnapping and killing US government officials isn't a good thing to do. Even if Trump says to do it.",
">\n\nYou got a weird way of spelling eventually.",
">\n\nWhat kind of country are we becoming where you cannot even kidnap your Governors? /sarcasm",
">\n\n19 years in prison essentially over not wanting to wear a mask.",
">\n\nMore like 19 years because you closed my bar for a few weeks and that’s unacceptable to redneck Michigan.",
">\n\nwell, if you still watch fox news you’re probably upset by this verdict. tucker carlson will agree with you and tell you why. but this is a reality check and you might want to take a step back and reevaluate your life before you end up storming the capital again or attacking a power grid",
">\n\nGood. Fuck them all.9",
">\n\nPrimeee definition of fuck around and find out…imagine wasting 19 years of your life because you thought you were smart enough to hatch a terror attack on a fucking online message board that had fbi agents on it 💀💀and that baddie STILL won releection. \nenjoy prison biatch, go big gretch. she seems like a pretty cool lady.",
">\n\n\nJudge Robert J. Jonker described him as “the idea guy” behind the plot\n...\nDelaware, man didn’t actually have authority over others and often frustrated them because he “just kept talking.”\n\nInteresting that 'talker' of the group is getting hemmed up. Reminds me of another bigly idea guy who agitated a group of people to do crimes.",
">\n\nMore of this, judicial system.",
">\n\nBbbbbut the FBI made me do it!",
">\n\nLong compared to what? We got people locked up twice as long for weed in this country.",
">\n\nStill not long enough"
] |
>
And I imagine he won't be in a very secure place financially when he leaves prison. It's not like he's going to leave in 16 years and then retire on some vast fortune. He'll need to work to survive and who's going to hire an extremist that tried to murder a government official? He'll be lucky to get employed as "janitor for the McDonald's in the really bad part of town."
And while I'm sure he'll blame all his troubles on "liberals/socialists/Democrats/non-whites/etc," the only person truly responsible for how his life ended up will be himself.
|
[
"At one point, Croft told allies: “I don’t like seeing anybody get killed either. But you don’t make an omelet without breaking a few eggs, you know what I mean?”\n\nI’ve never heard someone compassionate, full of empathy doing good for the world pull out that saying. It’s always someone trying to minimize some bullshit.",
">\n\nEvil is banal and mundane. As Hannah Arendt observes in her book Eichmann in Jerusalem, evil people like that use stock phrases and self-invented clichés, including ... you don’t make an omelet without breaking a few eggs ..., to justify their behaviour and lack of critical thinking. People delude themselves into believing they're genuinely good, righteous people.",
">\n\nYep, no one thinks \"muahaha, I am evil!\"",
">\n\nI mean, there’s some people that do. There was a certain subset of Nazis working in the prison camps who knew exactly what was going on, and genuinely enjoyed being there. Same with the Christian missionaries who enacted genocide on the natives - there were priests and nuns in those Catholic schools who willfully abused (and even murdered) kids. \nGenuine psychopaths exist. They’re the minority, but they’re out there. The “banality of evil” problem is that the Nazis and the Catholic church set up entire systems that protected and enabled them.",
">\n\nThe torturers during the inquisition LOVED their work. They got points for doing Gods work and the further blessing of women to rape in ingenuous ways.",
">\n\nLet Croft and Fox rot for the next decade and a half. We’ll see how militant they are when they’re in their late 60s and have aged in the US prison system.",
">\n\nProbably…. More so?",
">\n\nMore so, but no one will go near them. A plot like that, they won't be able to walk past a laptop without the FBI knowing where they are after they're out. No one in their right mind would bring them back into their group.",
">\n\nImagine being so angry at being made to wear masks indoors, you plot to kill a government official, and will now spend the rest of your productive life behind bars ( he's 47 now). All because of having to wear a mask in Wal-Mart!",
">\n\nWhen you lose your freedoms because you don't understand your freedoms.",
">\n\nLoosing your freedoms because you stood up for your freedums…..",
">\n\nThis was a good one",
">\n\nNot really",
">\n\nYesterday the guy who was sentenced looked like a potato and this one looks like the kind of guy who would throw rocks at you for walking near his gold digging spot",
">\n\nGrew up in Michigan. Me: \"Shit, I think I know that guy...oh good, no, it's just his doppelganger.\" Both f-ing times.",
">\n\nSame. My first fear was that at least one of them would turn out to be a family member. Thankfully none... but many look awfully familiar.",
">\n\nProbably about time to take down the “My governor is an idiot” yard signs, Michiganders.",
">\n\nFinding out intensifies……",
">\n\n“(Defense attorney) Blanchard, who got emotional in the courtroom when speaking about Croft’s three children, told reporters outside the courthouse that the sentence means Croft will not get to see his kids grow up.”\nWell, when you try to kidnap and assassinate a governor because you don’t want to wear a mask or stay 6’ away from people because of a fucking pandemic, bad things end up happening to you. \n“Blanchard also maintained that Croft wasn’t the “ideas guy” he’s been portrayed as. He insisted that “most of what Mr. Croft said was excluded because the government didn’t want the jury to hear it.” “\nYeah, it’s not that the “government didn’t want the jury to hear it”. Court doesn’t work that way. The defense attorney didn’t get the testimony excluded. If Croft had a better attorney he might have gotten off, or a lighter sentence. \nThis Blanchard puke is as bad as the felons he represented. Crybaby failure all the way around…",
">\n\nHim not seeing his kids is probably the best thing for them. We don’t need more copies of him.",
">\n\nLooks like that \"the FBI are the ones who suggested it to us and egged us on\" defense didn't hold up.",
">\n\nBecause it was a lie.",
">\n\nNot on the \"gateway pundit,\" where they throw all kinds of insane, exaggerated reasons for ultra-maga crimes\nthat site is one of my favorite hate reads",
">\n\n\n“This man is fully radicalized. He hasn’t changed his viewpoint,” Kessler added. “He’s not admitting the ideas are wrong because he still holds them. This whole thing was Mr. Croft’s idea.”\n\n-\n\nA different jury in Grand Rapids couldn’t reach a verdict on the pair at the first trial last spring but acquitted two other men.\n\nMan, it sounds more and more like the first trial just had (at least) one Michigan Militia type who would have never convicted on any grounds at all.",
">\n\nI just find it hilarious that this group who claimed they were so aware of big government terror compared to us sheep. ..was infiltrated by a FBI informant rather easily lol.\nI'd say I'd wanna see the movie one day but it's probably just the FBI informant making a Facebook posting down with liberals and he was welcomed with open arms.\nEdit - I just realized that it seems I'm making light of the FBI informants job. I am not. I could not do that job and be looking over my shoulder basically not living my own life for months to years.",
">\n\nIt wasn't even an FBI agent, it was just some former military dude who joined their military gun drill club and heard their very detailed plot to execute cops and told his cop buddy about it. The cop buddy was like, fuck, that sounds real lemme ask the FBI what to do. The FBI told the guy, hey, can you, like, stay friends with them and just kinda let us know if they do anything really crazy like ask where to buy a bomb to blow up a bridge?\nAnd then they were like, shit, we need a bomb to blow up a bridge as a diversion. You were in the military, do you know anyone? And the dude was like, uh, yeah, let me ask my old buddy Fred Ben Iver.",
">\n\nThey need to do some of that kind of work to grab whoever is behind all of the power stations being hit.",
">\n\nIt is very likely it is completely separate groups. The white supremacist movement (which all this antigovernmental stuff right now is part of and/or grew out of), does everything they can to stay autonomous so that if one cell goes down there is no connection. They can spread their ideology and tactics by just putting them out there on certain forums and are never directly involved, yet have the freedom of speech cover.",
">\n\nIts probably going to be a rite of passage, like being jumped into a gang. Except it is also like having a Canadian girlfriend.\nIf you want domestic terrorist clout at the local watering hole you brag, \"You know that electrical substation that got taken out? Not saying I was directly involved, but not necessarily denying either.\"\nTo Law Enforcement you say, \"That's a lie. Ah gots rats!!\"\nSchrodinger's Terrorist.",
">\n\nHe looks like the kinda guy who’d try to buy bank robbery supplies from a pawn shop.",
">\n\nShort response: good. Longer response? Goooooooooooooooood.",
">\n\nTwo more 'o' and you'd have one for each year of his sentence.",
">\n\nAnother dumb fuck becomes a burden on taxpayers.",
">\n\nLet’s be honest: they were probably a burden to taxpayers beforehand.",
">\n\nYou know, kidnapping and killing US government officials isn't a good thing to do. Even if Trump says to do it.",
">\n\nYou got a weird way of spelling eventually.",
">\n\nWhat kind of country are we becoming where you cannot even kidnap your Governors? /sarcasm",
">\n\n19 years in prison essentially over not wanting to wear a mask.",
">\n\nMore like 19 years because you closed my bar for a few weeks and that’s unacceptable to redneck Michigan.",
">\n\nwell, if you still watch fox news you’re probably upset by this verdict. tucker carlson will agree with you and tell you why. but this is a reality check and you might want to take a step back and reevaluate your life before you end up storming the capital again or attacking a power grid",
">\n\nGood. Fuck them all.9",
">\n\nPrimeee definition of fuck around and find out…imagine wasting 19 years of your life because you thought you were smart enough to hatch a terror attack on a fucking online message board that had fbi agents on it 💀💀and that baddie STILL won releection. \nenjoy prison biatch, go big gretch. she seems like a pretty cool lady.",
">\n\n\nJudge Robert J. Jonker described him as “the idea guy” behind the plot\n...\nDelaware, man didn’t actually have authority over others and often frustrated them because he “just kept talking.”\n\nInteresting that 'talker' of the group is getting hemmed up. Reminds me of another bigly idea guy who agitated a group of people to do crimes.",
">\n\nMore of this, judicial system.",
">\n\nBbbbbut the FBI made me do it!",
">\n\nLong compared to what? We got people locked up twice as long for weed in this country.",
">\n\nStill not long enough",
">\n\nI agree, but at least he’ll be about 67 when he gets out, the last of the prime years of his life taken away from him."
] |
>
Well, there is always the option for these type of people to get a job at Fox or OAN…
|
[
"At one point, Croft told allies: “I don’t like seeing anybody get killed either. But you don’t make an omelet without breaking a few eggs, you know what I mean?”\n\nI’ve never heard someone compassionate, full of empathy doing good for the world pull out that saying. It’s always someone trying to minimize some bullshit.",
">\n\nEvil is banal and mundane. As Hannah Arendt observes in her book Eichmann in Jerusalem, evil people like that use stock phrases and self-invented clichés, including ... you don’t make an omelet without breaking a few eggs ..., to justify their behaviour and lack of critical thinking. People delude themselves into believing they're genuinely good, righteous people.",
">\n\nYep, no one thinks \"muahaha, I am evil!\"",
">\n\nI mean, there’s some people that do. There was a certain subset of Nazis working in the prison camps who knew exactly what was going on, and genuinely enjoyed being there. Same with the Christian missionaries who enacted genocide on the natives - there were priests and nuns in those Catholic schools who willfully abused (and even murdered) kids. \nGenuine psychopaths exist. They’re the minority, but they’re out there. The “banality of evil” problem is that the Nazis and the Catholic church set up entire systems that protected and enabled them.",
">\n\nThe torturers during the inquisition LOVED their work. They got points for doing Gods work and the further blessing of women to rape in ingenuous ways.",
">\n\nLet Croft and Fox rot for the next decade and a half. We’ll see how militant they are when they’re in their late 60s and have aged in the US prison system.",
">\n\nProbably…. More so?",
">\n\nMore so, but no one will go near them. A plot like that, they won't be able to walk past a laptop without the FBI knowing where they are after they're out. No one in their right mind would bring them back into their group.",
">\n\nImagine being so angry at being made to wear masks indoors, you plot to kill a government official, and will now spend the rest of your productive life behind bars ( he's 47 now). All because of having to wear a mask in Wal-Mart!",
">\n\nWhen you lose your freedoms because you don't understand your freedoms.",
">\n\nLoosing your freedoms because you stood up for your freedums…..",
">\n\nThis was a good one",
">\n\nNot really",
">\n\nYesterday the guy who was sentenced looked like a potato and this one looks like the kind of guy who would throw rocks at you for walking near his gold digging spot",
">\n\nGrew up in Michigan. Me: \"Shit, I think I know that guy...oh good, no, it's just his doppelganger.\" Both f-ing times.",
">\n\nSame. My first fear was that at least one of them would turn out to be a family member. Thankfully none... but many look awfully familiar.",
">\n\nProbably about time to take down the “My governor is an idiot” yard signs, Michiganders.",
">\n\nFinding out intensifies……",
">\n\n“(Defense attorney) Blanchard, who got emotional in the courtroom when speaking about Croft’s three children, told reporters outside the courthouse that the sentence means Croft will not get to see his kids grow up.”\nWell, when you try to kidnap and assassinate a governor because you don’t want to wear a mask or stay 6’ away from people because of a fucking pandemic, bad things end up happening to you. \n“Blanchard also maintained that Croft wasn’t the “ideas guy” he’s been portrayed as. He insisted that “most of what Mr. Croft said was excluded because the government didn’t want the jury to hear it.” “\nYeah, it’s not that the “government didn’t want the jury to hear it”. Court doesn’t work that way. The defense attorney didn’t get the testimony excluded. If Croft had a better attorney he might have gotten off, or a lighter sentence. \nThis Blanchard puke is as bad as the felons he represented. Crybaby failure all the way around…",
">\n\nHim not seeing his kids is probably the best thing for them. We don’t need more copies of him.",
">\n\nLooks like that \"the FBI are the ones who suggested it to us and egged us on\" defense didn't hold up.",
">\n\nBecause it was a lie.",
">\n\nNot on the \"gateway pundit,\" where they throw all kinds of insane, exaggerated reasons for ultra-maga crimes\nthat site is one of my favorite hate reads",
">\n\n\n“This man is fully radicalized. He hasn’t changed his viewpoint,” Kessler added. “He’s not admitting the ideas are wrong because he still holds them. This whole thing was Mr. Croft’s idea.”\n\n-\n\nA different jury in Grand Rapids couldn’t reach a verdict on the pair at the first trial last spring but acquitted two other men.\n\nMan, it sounds more and more like the first trial just had (at least) one Michigan Militia type who would have never convicted on any grounds at all.",
">\n\nI just find it hilarious that this group who claimed they were so aware of big government terror compared to us sheep. ..was infiltrated by a FBI informant rather easily lol.\nI'd say I'd wanna see the movie one day but it's probably just the FBI informant making a Facebook posting down with liberals and he was welcomed with open arms.\nEdit - I just realized that it seems I'm making light of the FBI informants job. I am not. I could not do that job and be looking over my shoulder basically not living my own life for months to years.",
">\n\nIt wasn't even an FBI agent, it was just some former military dude who joined their military gun drill club and heard their very detailed plot to execute cops and told his cop buddy about it. The cop buddy was like, fuck, that sounds real lemme ask the FBI what to do. The FBI told the guy, hey, can you, like, stay friends with them and just kinda let us know if they do anything really crazy like ask where to buy a bomb to blow up a bridge?\nAnd then they were like, shit, we need a bomb to blow up a bridge as a diversion. You were in the military, do you know anyone? And the dude was like, uh, yeah, let me ask my old buddy Fred Ben Iver.",
">\n\nThey need to do some of that kind of work to grab whoever is behind all of the power stations being hit.",
">\n\nIt is very likely it is completely separate groups. The white supremacist movement (which all this antigovernmental stuff right now is part of and/or grew out of), does everything they can to stay autonomous so that if one cell goes down there is no connection. They can spread their ideology and tactics by just putting them out there on certain forums and are never directly involved, yet have the freedom of speech cover.",
">\n\nIts probably going to be a rite of passage, like being jumped into a gang. Except it is also like having a Canadian girlfriend.\nIf you want domestic terrorist clout at the local watering hole you brag, \"You know that electrical substation that got taken out? Not saying I was directly involved, but not necessarily denying either.\"\nTo Law Enforcement you say, \"That's a lie. Ah gots rats!!\"\nSchrodinger's Terrorist.",
">\n\nHe looks like the kinda guy who’d try to buy bank robbery supplies from a pawn shop.",
">\n\nShort response: good. Longer response? Goooooooooooooooood.",
">\n\nTwo more 'o' and you'd have one for each year of his sentence.",
">\n\nAnother dumb fuck becomes a burden on taxpayers.",
">\n\nLet’s be honest: they were probably a burden to taxpayers beforehand.",
">\n\nYou know, kidnapping and killing US government officials isn't a good thing to do. Even if Trump says to do it.",
">\n\nYou got a weird way of spelling eventually.",
">\n\nWhat kind of country are we becoming where you cannot even kidnap your Governors? /sarcasm",
">\n\n19 years in prison essentially over not wanting to wear a mask.",
">\n\nMore like 19 years because you closed my bar for a few weeks and that’s unacceptable to redneck Michigan.",
">\n\nwell, if you still watch fox news you’re probably upset by this verdict. tucker carlson will agree with you and tell you why. but this is a reality check and you might want to take a step back and reevaluate your life before you end up storming the capital again or attacking a power grid",
">\n\nGood. Fuck them all.9",
">\n\nPrimeee definition of fuck around and find out…imagine wasting 19 years of your life because you thought you were smart enough to hatch a terror attack on a fucking online message board that had fbi agents on it 💀💀and that baddie STILL won releection. \nenjoy prison biatch, go big gretch. she seems like a pretty cool lady.",
">\n\n\nJudge Robert J. Jonker described him as “the idea guy” behind the plot\n...\nDelaware, man didn’t actually have authority over others and often frustrated them because he “just kept talking.”\n\nInteresting that 'talker' of the group is getting hemmed up. Reminds me of another bigly idea guy who agitated a group of people to do crimes.",
">\n\nMore of this, judicial system.",
">\n\nBbbbbut the FBI made me do it!",
">\n\nLong compared to what? We got people locked up twice as long for weed in this country.",
">\n\nStill not long enough",
">\n\nI agree, but at least he’ll be about 67 when he gets out, the last of the prime years of his life taken away from him.",
">\n\nAnd I imagine he won't be in a very secure place financially when he leaves prison. It's not like he's going to leave in 16 years and then retire on some vast fortune. He'll need to work to survive and who's going to hire an extremist that tried to murder a government official? He'll be lucky to get employed as \"janitor for the McDonald's in the really bad part of town.\" \nAnd while I'm sure he'll blame all his troubles on \"liberals/socialists/Democrats/non-whites/etc,\" the only person truly responsible for how his life ended up will be himself."
] |
>
I think you have to succeed in your crimes to be offered a prime-time slot on Fox. (or be guest of honor for the GOP)
|
[
"At one point, Croft told allies: “I don’t like seeing anybody get killed either. But you don’t make an omelet without breaking a few eggs, you know what I mean?”\n\nI’ve never heard someone compassionate, full of empathy doing good for the world pull out that saying. It’s always someone trying to minimize some bullshit.",
">\n\nEvil is banal and mundane. As Hannah Arendt observes in her book Eichmann in Jerusalem, evil people like that use stock phrases and self-invented clichés, including ... you don’t make an omelet without breaking a few eggs ..., to justify their behaviour and lack of critical thinking. People delude themselves into believing they're genuinely good, righteous people.",
">\n\nYep, no one thinks \"muahaha, I am evil!\"",
">\n\nI mean, there’s some people that do. There was a certain subset of Nazis working in the prison camps who knew exactly what was going on, and genuinely enjoyed being there. Same with the Christian missionaries who enacted genocide on the natives - there were priests and nuns in those Catholic schools who willfully abused (and even murdered) kids. \nGenuine psychopaths exist. They’re the minority, but they’re out there. The “banality of evil” problem is that the Nazis and the Catholic church set up entire systems that protected and enabled them.",
">\n\nThe torturers during the inquisition LOVED their work. They got points for doing Gods work and the further blessing of women to rape in ingenuous ways.",
">\n\nLet Croft and Fox rot for the next decade and a half. We’ll see how militant they are when they’re in their late 60s and have aged in the US prison system.",
">\n\nProbably…. More so?",
">\n\nMore so, but no one will go near them. A plot like that, they won't be able to walk past a laptop without the FBI knowing where they are after they're out. No one in their right mind would bring them back into their group.",
">\n\nImagine being so angry at being made to wear masks indoors, you plot to kill a government official, and will now spend the rest of your productive life behind bars ( he's 47 now). All because of having to wear a mask in Wal-Mart!",
">\n\nWhen you lose your freedoms because you don't understand your freedoms.",
">\n\nLoosing your freedoms because you stood up for your freedums…..",
">\n\nThis was a good one",
">\n\nNot really",
">\n\nYesterday the guy who was sentenced looked like a potato and this one looks like the kind of guy who would throw rocks at you for walking near his gold digging spot",
">\n\nGrew up in Michigan. Me: \"Shit, I think I know that guy...oh good, no, it's just his doppelganger.\" Both f-ing times.",
">\n\nSame. My first fear was that at least one of them would turn out to be a family member. Thankfully none... but many look awfully familiar.",
">\n\nProbably about time to take down the “My governor is an idiot” yard signs, Michiganders.",
">\n\nFinding out intensifies……",
">\n\n“(Defense attorney) Blanchard, who got emotional in the courtroom when speaking about Croft’s three children, told reporters outside the courthouse that the sentence means Croft will not get to see his kids grow up.”\nWell, when you try to kidnap and assassinate a governor because you don’t want to wear a mask or stay 6’ away from people because of a fucking pandemic, bad things end up happening to you. \n“Blanchard also maintained that Croft wasn’t the “ideas guy” he’s been portrayed as. He insisted that “most of what Mr. Croft said was excluded because the government didn’t want the jury to hear it.” “\nYeah, it’s not that the “government didn’t want the jury to hear it”. Court doesn’t work that way. The defense attorney didn’t get the testimony excluded. If Croft had a better attorney he might have gotten off, or a lighter sentence. \nThis Blanchard puke is as bad as the felons he represented. Crybaby failure all the way around…",
">\n\nHim not seeing his kids is probably the best thing for them. We don’t need more copies of him.",
">\n\nLooks like that \"the FBI are the ones who suggested it to us and egged us on\" defense didn't hold up.",
">\n\nBecause it was a lie.",
">\n\nNot on the \"gateway pundit,\" where they throw all kinds of insane, exaggerated reasons for ultra-maga crimes\nthat site is one of my favorite hate reads",
">\n\n\n“This man is fully radicalized. He hasn’t changed his viewpoint,” Kessler added. “He’s not admitting the ideas are wrong because he still holds them. This whole thing was Mr. Croft’s idea.”\n\n-\n\nA different jury in Grand Rapids couldn’t reach a verdict on the pair at the first trial last spring but acquitted two other men.\n\nMan, it sounds more and more like the first trial just had (at least) one Michigan Militia type who would have never convicted on any grounds at all.",
">\n\nI just find it hilarious that this group who claimed they were so aware of big government terror compared to us sheep. ..was infiltrated by a FBI informant rather easily lol.\nI'd say I'd wanna see the movie one day but it's probably just the FBI informant making a Facebook posting down with liberals and he was welcomed with open arms.\nEdit - I just realized that it seems I'm making light of the FBI informants job. I am not. I could not do that job and be looking over my shoulder basically not living my own life for months to years.",
">\n\nIt wasn't even an FBI agent, it was just some former military dude who joined their military gun drill club and heard their very detailed plot to execute cops and told his cop buddy about it. The cop buddy was like, fuck, that sounds real lemme ask the FBI what to do. The FBI told the guy, hey, can you, like, stay friends with them and just kinda let us know if they do anything really crazy like ask where to buy a bomb to blow up a bridge?\nAnd then they were like, shit, we need a bomb to blow up a bridge as a diversion. You were in the military, do you know anyone? And the dude was like, uh, yeah, let me ask my old buddy Fred Ben Iver.",
">\n\nThey need to do some of that kind of work to grab whoever is behind all of the power stations being hit.",
">\n\nIt is very likely it is completely separate groups. The white supremacist movement (which all this antigovernmental stuff right now is part of and/or grew out of), does everything they can to stay autonomous so that if one cell goes down there is no connection. They can spread their ideology and tactics by just putting them out there on certain forums and are never directly involved, yet have the freedom of speech cover.",
">\n\nIts probably going to be a rite of passage, like being jumped into a gang. Except it is also like having a Canadian girlfriend.\nIf you want domestic terrorist clout at the local watering hole you brag, \"You know that electrical substation that got taken out? Not saying I was directly involved, but not necessarily denying either.\"\nTo Law Enforcement you say, \"That's a lie. Ah gots rats!!\"\nSchrodinger's Terrorist.",
">\n\nHe looks like the kinda guy who’d try to buy bank robbery supplies from a pawn shop.",
">\n\nShort response: good. Longer response? Goooooooooooooooood.",
">\n\nTwo more 'o' and you'd have one for each year of his sentence.",
">\n\nAnother dumb fuck becomes a burden on taxpayers.",
">\n\nLet’s be honest: they were probably a burden to taxpayers beforehand.",
">\n\nYou know, kidnapping and killing US government officials isn't a good thing to do. Even if Trump says to do it.",
">\n\nYou got a weird way of spelling eventually.",
">\n\nWhat kind of country are we becoming where you cannot even kidnap your Governors? /sarcasm",
">\n\n19 years in prison essentially over not wanting to wear a mask.",
">\n\nMore like 19 years because you closed my bar for a few weeks and that’s unacceptable to redneck Michigan.",
">\n\nwell, if you still watch fox news you’re probably upset by this verdict. tucker carlson will agree with you and tell you why. but this is a reality check and you might want to take a step back and reevaluate your life before you end up storming the capital again or attacking a power grid",
">\n\nGood. Fuck them all.9",
">\n\nPrimeee definition of fuck around and find out…imagine wasting 19 years of your life because you thought you were smart enough to hatch a terror attack on a fucking online message board that had fbi agents on it 💀💀and that baddie STILL won releection. \nenjoy prison biatch, go big gretch. she seems like a pretty cool lady.",
">\n\n\nJudge Robert J. Jonker described him as “the idea guy” behind the plot\n...\nDelaware, man didn’t actually have authority over others and often frustrated them because he “just kept talking.”\n\nInteresting that 'talker' of the group is getting hemmed up. Reminds me of another bigly idea guy who agitated a group of people to do crimes.",
">\n\nMore of this, judicial system.",
">\n\nBbbbbut the FBI made me do it!",
">\n\nLong compared to what? We got people locked up twice as long for weed in this country.",
">\n\nStill not long enough",
">\n\nI agree, but at least he’ll be about 67 when he gets out, the last of the prime years of his life taken away from him.",
">\n\nAnd I imagine he won't be in a very secure place financially when he leaves prison. It's not like he's going to leave in 16 years and then retire on some vast fortune. He'll need to work to survive and who's going to hire an extremist that tried to murder a government official? He'll be lucky to get employed as \"janitor for the McDonald's in the really bad part of town.\" \nAnd while I'm sure he'll blame all his troubles on \"liberals/socialists/Democrats/non-whites/etc,\" the only person truly responsible for how his life ended up will be himself.",
">\n\nWell, there is always the option for these type of people to get a job at Fox or OAN…"
] |
>
Wow, the "find out" stage really did him up the butt.
|
[
"At one point, Croft told allies: “I don’t like seeing anybody get killed either. But you don’t make an omelet without breaking a few eggs, you know what I mean?”\n\nI’ve never heard someone compassionate, full of empathy doing good for the world pull out that saying. It’s always someone trying to minimize some bullshit.",
">\n\nEvil is banal and mundane. As Hannah Arendt observes in her book Eichmann in Jerusalem, evil people like that use stock phrases and self-invented clichés, including ... you don’t make an omelet without breaking a few eggs ..., to justify their behaviour and lack of critical thinking. People delude themselves into believing they're genuinely good, righteous people.",
">\n\nYep, no one thinks \"muahaha, I am evil!\"",
">\n\nI mean, there’s some people that do. There was a certain subset of Nazis working in the prison camps who knew exactly what was going on, and genuinely enjoyed being there. Same with the Christian missionaries who enacted genocide on the natives - there were priests and nuns in those Catholic schools who willfully abused (and even murdered) kids. \nGenuine psychopaths exist. They’re the minority, but they’re out there. The “banality of evil” problem is that the Nazis and the Catholic church set up entire systems that protected and enabled them.",
">\n\nThe torturers during the inquisition LOVED their work. They got points for doing Gods work and the further blessing of women to rape in ingenuous ways.",
">\n\nLet Croft and Fox rot for the next decade and a half. We’ll see how militant they are when they’re in their late 60s and have aged in the US prison system.",
">\n\nProbably…. More so?",
">\n\nMore so, but no one will go near them. A plot like that, they won't be able to walk past a laptop without the FBI knowing where they are after they're out. No one in their right mind would bring them back into their group.",
">\n\nImagine being so angry at being made to wear masks indoors, you plot to kill a government official, and will now spend the rest of your productive life behind bars ( he's 47 now). All because of having to wear a mask in Wal-Mart!",
">\n\nWhen you lose your freedoms because you don't understand your freedoms.",
">\n\nLoosing your freedoms because you stood up for your freedums…..",
">\n\nThis was a good one",
">\n\nNot really",
">\n\nYesterday the guy who was sentenced looked like a potato and this one looks like the kind of guy who would throw rocks at you for walking near his gold digging spot",
">\n\nGrew up in Michigan. Me: \"Shit, I think I know that guy...oh good, no, it's just his doppelganger.\" Both f-ing times.",
">\n\nSame. My first fear was that at least one of them would turn out to be a family member. Thankfully none... but many look awfully familiar.",
">\n\nProbably about time to take down the “My governor is an idiot” yard signs, Michiganders.",
">\n\nFinding out intensifies……",
">\n\n“(Defense attorney) Blanchard, who got emotional in the courtroom when speaking about Croft’s three children, told reporters outside the courthouse that the sentence means Croft will not get to see his kids grow up.”\nWell, when you try to kidnap and assassinate a governor because you don’t want to wear a mask or stay 6’ away from people because of a fucking pandemic, bad things end up happening to you. \n“Blanchard also maintained that Croft wasn’t the “ideas guy” he’s been portrayed as. He insisted that “most of what Mr. Croft said was excluded because the government didn’t want the jury to hear it.” “\nYeah, it’s not that the “government didn’t want the jury to hear it”. Court doesn’t work that way. The defense attorney didn’t get the testimony excluded. If Croft had a better attorney he might have gotten off, or a lighter sentence. \nThis Blanchard puke is as bad as the felons he represented. Crybaby failure all the way around…",
">\n\nHim not seeing his kids is probably the best thing for them. We don’t need more copies of him.",
">\n\nLooks like that \"the FBI are the ones who suggested it to us and egged us on\" defense didn't hold up.",
">\n\nBecause it was a lie.",
">\n\nNot on the \"gateway pundit,\" where they throw all kinds of insane, exaggerated reasons for ultra-maga crimes\nthat site is one of my favorite hate reads",
">\n\n\n“This man is fully radicalized. He hasn’t changed his viewpoint,” Kessler added. “He’s not admitting the ideas are wrong because he still holds them. This whole thing was Mr. Croft’s idea.”\n\n-\n\nA different jury in Grand Rapids couldn’t reach a verdict on the pair at the first trial last spring but acquitted two other men.\n\nMan, it sounds more and more like the first trial just had (at least) one Michigan Militia type who would have never convicted on any grounds at all.",
">\n\nI just find it hilarious that this group who claimed they were so aware of big government terror compared to us sheep. ..was infiltrated by a FBI informant rather easily lol.\nI'd say I'd wanna see the movie one day but it's probably just the FBI informant making a Facebook posting down with liberals and he was welcomed with open arms.\nEdit - I just realized that it seems I'm making light of the FBI informants job. I am not. I could not do that job and be looking over my shoulder basically not living my own life for months to years.",
">\n\nIt wasn't even an FBI agent, it was just some former military dude who joined their military gun drill club and heard their very detailed plot to execute cops and told his cop buddy about it. The cop buddy was like, fuck, that sounds real lemme ask the FBI what to do. The FBI told the guy, hey, can you, like, stay friends with them and just kinda let us know if they do anything really crazy like ask where to buy a bomb to blow up a bridge?\nAnd then they were like, shit, we need a bomb to blow up a bridge as a diversion. You were in the military, do you know anyone? And the dude was like, uh, yeah, let me ask my old buddy Fred Ben Iver.",
">\n\nThey need to do some of that kind of work to grab whoever is behind all of the power stations being hit.",
">\n\nIt is very likely it is completely separate groups. The white supremacist movement (which all this antigovernmental stuff right now is part of and/or grew out of), does everything they can to stay autonomous so that if one cell goes down there is no connection. They can spread their ideology and tactics by just putting them out there on certain forums and are never directly involved, yet have the freedom of speech cover.",
">\n\nIts probably going to be a rite of passage, like being jumped into a gang. Except it is also like having a Canadian girlfriend.\nIf you want domestic terrorist clout at the local watering hole you brag, \"You know that electrical substation that got taken out? Not saying I was directly involved, but not necessarily denying either.\"\nTo Law Enforcement you say, \"That's a lie. Ah gots rats!!\"\nSchrodinger's Terrorist.",
">\n\nHe looks like the kinda guy who’d try to buy bank robbery supplies from a pawn shop.",
">\n\nShort response: good. Longer response? Goooooooooooooooood.",
">\n\nTwo more 'o' and you'd have one for each year of his sentence.",
">\n\nAnother dumb fuck becomes a burden on taxpayers.",
">\n\nLet’s be honest: they were probably a burden to taxpayers beforehand.",
">\n\nYou know, kidnapping and killing US government officials isn't a good thing to do. Even if Trump says to do it.",
">\n\nYou got a weird way of spelling eventually.",
">\n\nWhat kind of country are we becoming where you cannot even kidnap your Governors? /sarcasm",
">\n\n19 years in prison essentially over not wanting to wear a mask.",
">\n\nMore like 19 years because you closed my bar for a few weeks and that’s unacceptable to redneck Michigan.",
">\n\nwell, if you still watch fox news you’re probably upset by this verdict. tucker carlson will agree with you and tell you why. but this is a reality check and you might want to take a step back and reevaluate your life before you end up storming the capital again or attacking a power grid",
">\n\nGood. Fuck them all.9",
">\n\nPrimeee definition of fuck around and find out…imagine wasting 19 years of your life because you thought you were smart enough to hatch a terror attack on a fucking online message board that had fbi agents on it 💀💀and that baddie STILL won releection. \nenjoy prison biatch, go big gretch. she seems like a pretty cool lady.",
">\n\n\nJudge Robert J. Jonker described him as “the idea guy” behind the plot\n...\nDelaware, man didn’t actually have authority over others and often frustrated them because he “just kept talking.”\n\nInteresting that 'talker' of the group is getting hemmed up. Reminds me of another bigly idea guy who agitated a group of people to do crimes.",
">\n\nMore of this, judicial system.",
">\n\nBbbbbut the FBI made me do it!",
">\n\nLong compared to what? We got people locked up twice as long for weed in this country.",
">\n\nStill not long enough",
">\n\nI agree, but at least he’ll be about 67 when he gets out, the last of the prime years of his life taken away from him.",
">\n\nAnd I imagine he won't be in a very secure place financially when he leaves prison. It's not like he's going to leave in 16 years and then retire on some vast fortune. He'll need to work to survive and who's going to hire an extremist that tried to murder a government official? He'll be lucky to get employed as \"janitor for the McDonald's in the really bad part of town.\" \nAnd while I'm sure he'll blame all his troubles on \"liberals/socialists/Democrats/non-whites/etc,\" the only person truly responsible for how his life ended up will be himself.",
">\n\nWell, there is always the option for these type of people to get a job at Fox or OAN…",
">\n\nI think you have to succeed in your crimes to be offered a prime-time slot on Fox. (or be guest of honor for the GOP)"
] |
>
Sometimes, you can judge a book by its cover…
|
[
"At one point, Croft told allies: “I don’t like seeing anybody get killed either. But you don’t make an omelet without breaking a few eggs, you know what I mean?”\n\nI’ve never heard someone compassionate, full of empathy doing good for the world pull out that saying. It’s always someone trying to minimize some bullshit.",
">\n\nEvil is banal and mundane. As Hannah Arendt observes in her book Eichmann in Jerusalem, evil people like that use stock phrases and self-invented clichés, including ... you don’t make an omelet without breaking a few eggs ..., to justify their behaviour and lack of critical thinking. People delude themselves into believing they're genuinely good, righteous people.",
">\n\nYep, no one thinks \"muahaha, I am evil!\"",
">\n\nI mean, there’s some people that do. There was a certain subset of Nazis working in the prison camps who knew exactly what was going on, and genuinely enjoyed being there. Same with the Christian missionaries who enacted genocide on the natives - there were priests and nuns in those Catholic schools who willfully abused (and even murdered) kids. \nGenuine psychopaths exist. They’re the minority, but they’re out there. The “banality of evil” problem is that the Nazis and the Catholic church set up entire systems that protected and enabled them.",
">\n\nThe torturers during the inquisition LOVED their work. They got points for doing Gods work and the further blessing of women to rape in ingenuous ways.",
">\n\nLet Croft and Fox rot for the next decade and a half. We’ll see how militant they are when they’re in their late 60s and have aged in the US prison system.",
">\n\nProbably…. More so?",
">\n\nMore so, but no one will go near them. A plot like that, they won't be able to walk past a laptop without the FBI knowing where they are after they're out. No one in their right mind would bring them back into their group.",
">\n\nImagine being so angry at being made to wear masks indoors, you plot to kill a government official, and will now spend the rest of your productive life behind bars ( he's 47 now). All because of having to wear a mask in Wal-Mart!",
">\n\nWhen you lose your freedoms because you don't understand your freedoms.",
">\n\nLoosing your freedoms because you stood up for your freedums…..",
">\n\nThis was a good one",
">\n\nNot really",
">\n\nYesterday the guy who was sentenced looked like a potato and this one looks like the kind of guy who would throw rocks at you for walking near his gold digging spot",
">\n\nGrew up in Michigan. Me: \"Shit, I think I know that guy...oh good, no, it's just his doppelganger.\" Both f-ing times.",
">\n\nSame. My first fear was that at least one of them would turn out to be a family member. Thankfully none... but many look awfully familiar.",
">\n\nProbably about time to take down the “My governor is an idiot” yard signs, Michiganders.",
">\n\nFinding out intensifies……",
">\n\n“(Defense attorney) Blanchard, who got emotional in the courtroom when speaking about Croft’s three children, told reporters outside the courthouse that the sentence means Croft will not get to see his kids grow up.”\nWell, when you try to kidnap and assassinate a governor because you don’t want to wear a mask or stay 6’ away from people because of a fucking pandemic, bad things end up happening to you. \n“Blanchard also maintained that Croft wasn’t the “ideas guy” he’s been portrayed as. He insisted that “most of what Mr. Croft said was excluded because the government didn’t want the jury to hear it.” “\nYeah, it’s not that the “government didn’t want the jury to hear it”. Court doesn’t work that way. The defense attorney didn’t get the testimony excluded. If Croft had a better attorney he might have gotten off, or a lighter sentence. \nThis Blanchard puke is as bad as the felons he represented. Crybaby failure all the way around…",
">\n\nHim not seeing his kids is probably the best thing for them. We don’t need more copies of him.",
">\n\nLooks like that \"the FBI are the ones who suggested it to us and egged us on\" defense didn't hold up.",
">\n\nBecause it was a lie.",
">\n\nNot on the \"gateway pundit,\" where they throw all kinds of insane, exaggerated reasons for ultra-maga crimes\nthat site is one of my favorite hate reads",
">\n\n\n“This man is fully radicalized. He hasn’t changed his viewpoint,” Kessler added. “He’s not admitting the ideas are wrong because he still holds them. This whole thing was Mr. Croft’s idea.”\n\n-\n\nA different jury in Grand Rapids couldn’t reach a verdict on the pair at the first trial last spring but acquitted two other men.\n\nMan, it sounds more and more like the first trial just had (at least) one Michigan Militia type who would have never convicted on any grounds at all.",
">\n\nI just find it hilarious that this group who claimed they were so aware of big government terror compared to us sheep. ..was infiltrated by a FBI informant rather easily lol.\nI'd say I'd wanna see the movie one day but it's probably just the FBI informant making a Facebook posting down with liberals and he was welcomed with open arms.\nEdit - I just realized that it seems I'm making light of the FBI informants job. I am not. I could not do that job and be looking over my shoulder basically not living my own life for months to years.",
">\n\nIt wasn't even an FBI agent, it was just some former military dude who joined their military gun drill club and heard their very detailed plot to execute cops and told his cop buddy about it. The cop buddy was like, fuck, that sounds real lemme ask the FBI what to do. The FBI told the guy, hey, can you, like, stay friends with them and just kinda let us know if they do anything really crazy like ask where to buy a bomb to blow up a bridge?\nAnd then they were like, shit, we need a bomb to blow up a bridge as a diversion. You were in the military, do you know anyone? And the dude was like, uh, yeah, let me ask my old buddy Fred Ben Iver.",
">\n\nThey need to do some of that kind of work to grab whoever is behind all of the power stations being hit.",
">\n\nIt is very likely it is completely separate groups. The white supremacist movement (which all this antigovernmental stuff right now is part of and/or grew out of), does everything they can to stay autonomous so that if one cell goes down there is no connection. They can spread their ideology and tactics by just putting them out there on certain forums and are never directly involved, yet have the freedom of speech cover.",
">\n\nIts probably going to be a rite of passage, like being jumped into a gang. Except it is also like having a Canadian girlfriend.\nIf you want domestic terrorist clout at the local watering hole you brag, \"You know that electrical substation that got taken out? Not saying I was directly involved, but not necessarily denying either.\"\nTo Law Enforcement you say, \"That's a lie. Ah gots rats!!\"\nSchrodinger's Terrorist.",
">\n\nHe looks like the kinda guy who’d try to buy bank robbery supplies from a pawn shop.",
">\n\nShort response: good. Longer response? Goooooooooooooooood.",
">\n\nTwo more 'o' and you'd have one for each year of his sentence.",
">\n\nAnother dumb fuck becomes a burden on taxpayers.",
">\n\nLet’s be honest: they were probably a burden to taxpayers beforehand.",
">\n\nYou know, kidnapping and killing US government officials isn't a good thing to do. Even if Trump says to do it.",
">\n\nYou got a weird way of spelling eventually.",
">\n\nWhat kind of country are we becoming where you cannot even kidnap your Governors? /sarcasm",
">\n\n19 years in prison essentially over not wanting to wear a mask.",
">\n\nMore like 19 years because you closed my bar for a few weeks and that’s unacceptable to redneck Michigan.",
">\n\nwell, if you still watch fox news you’re probably upset by this verdict. tucker carlson will agree with you and tell you why. but this is a reality check and you might want to take a step back and reevaluate your life before you end up storming the capital again or attacking a power grid",
">\n\nGood. Fuck them all.9",
">\n\nPrimeee definition of fuck around and find out…imagine wasting 19 years of your life because you thought you were smart enough to hatch a terror attack on a fucking online message board that had fbi agents on it 💀💀and that baddie STILL won releection. \nenjoy prison biatch, go big gretch. she seems like a pretty cool lady.",
">\n\n\nJudge Robert J. Jonker described him as “the idea guy” behind the plot\n...\nDelaware, man didn’t actually have authority over others and often frustrated them because he “just kept talking.”\n\nInteresting that 'talker' of the group is getting hemmed up. Reminds me of another bigly idea guy who agitated a group of people to do crimes.",
">\n\nMore of this, judicial system.",
">\n\nBbbbbut the FBI made me do it!",
">\n\nLong compared to what? We got people locked up twice as long for weed in this country.",
">\n\nStill not long enough",
">\n\nI agree, but at least he’ll be about 67 when he gets out, the last of the prime years of his life taken away from him.",
">\n\nAnd I imagine he won't be in a very secure place financially when he leaves prison. It's not like he's going to leave in 16 years and then retire on some vast fortune. He'll need to work to survive and who's going to hire an extremist that tried to murder a government official? He'll be lucky to get employed as \"janitor for the McDonald's in the really bad part of town.\" \nAnd while I'm sure he'll blame all his troubles on \"liberals/socialists/Democrats/non-whites/etc,\" the only person truly responsible for how his life ended up will be himself.",
">\n\nWell, there is always the option for these type of people to get a job at Fox or OAN…",
">\n\nI think you have to succeed in your crimes to be offered a prime-time slot on Fox. (or be guest of honor for the GOP)",
">\n\nWow, the \"find out\" stage really did him up the butt."
] |
>
Hope he dies in prison. Fuck him.
|
[
"At one point, Croft told allies: “I don’t like seeing anybody get killed either. But you don’t make an omelet without breaking a few eggs, you know what I mean?”\n\nI’ve never heard someone compassionate, full of empathy doing good for the world pull out that saying. It’s always someone trying to minimize some bullshit.",
">\n\nEvil is banal and mundane. As Hannah Arendt observes in her book Eichmann in Jerusalem, evil people like that use stock phrases and self-invented clichés, including ... you don’t make an omelet without breaking a few eggs ..., to justify their behaviour and lack of critical thinking. People delude themselves into believing they're genuinely good, righteous people.",
">\n\nYep, no one thinks \"muahaha, I am evil!\"",
">\n\nI mean, there’s some people that do. There was a certain subset of Nazis working in the prison camps who knew exactly what was going on, and genuinely enjoyed being there. Same with the Christian missionaries who enacted genocide on the natives - there were priests and nuns in those Catholic schools who willfully abused (and even murdered) kids. \nGenuine psychopaths exist. They’re the minority, but they’re out there. The “banality of evil” problem is that the Nazis and the Catholic church set up entire systems that protected and enabled them.",
">\n\nThe torturers during the inquisition LOVED their work. They got points for doing Gods work and the further blessing of women to rape in ingenuous ways.",
">\n\nLet Croft and Fox rot for the next decade and a half. We’ll see how militant they are when they’re in their late 60s and have aged in the US prison system.",
">\n\nProbably…. More so?",
">\n\nMore so, but no one will go near them. A plot like that, they won't be able to walk past a laptop without the FBI knowing where they are after they're out. No one in their right mind would bring them back into their group.",
">\n\nImagine being so angry at being made to wear masks indoors, you plot to kill a government official, and will now spend the rest of your productive life behind bars ( he's 47 now). All because of having to wear a mask in Wal-Mart!",
">\n\nWhen you lose your freedoms because you don't understand your freedoms.",
">\n\nLoosing your freedoms because you stood up for your freedums…..",
">\n\nThis was a good one",
">\n\nNot really",
">\n\nYesterday the guy who was sentenced looked like a potato and this one looks like the kind of guy who would throw rocks at you for walking near his gold digging spot",
">\n\nGrew up in Michigan. Me: \"Shit, I think I know that guy...oh good, no, it's just his doppelganger.\" Both f-ing times.",
">\n\nSame. My first fear was that at least one of them would turn out to be a family member. Thankfully none... but many look awfully familiar.",
">\n\nProbably about time to take down the “My governor is an idiot” yard signs, Michiganders.",
">\n\nFinding out intensifies……",
">\n\n“(Defense attorney) Blanchard, who got emotional in the courtroom when speaking about Croft’s three children, told reporters outside the courthouse that the sentence means Croft will not get to see his kids grow up.”\nWell, when you try to kidnap and assassinate a governor because you don’t want to wear a mask or stay 6’ away from people because of a fucking pandemic, bad things end up happening to you. \n“Blanchard also maintained that Croft wasn’t the “ideas guy” he’s been portrayed as. He insisted that “most of what Mr. Croft said was excluded because the government didn’t want the jury to hear it.” “\nYeah, it’s not that the “government didn’t want the jury to hear it”. Court doesn’t work that way. The defense attorney didn’t get the testimony excluded. If Croft had a better attorney he might have gotten off, or a lighter sentence. \nThis Blanchard puke is as bad as the felons he represented. Crybaby failure all the way around…",
">\n\nHim not seeing his kids is probably the best thing for them. We don’t need more copies of him.",
">\n\nLooks like that \"the FBI are the ones who suggested it to us and egged us on\" defense didn't hold up.",
">\n\nBecause it was a lie.",
">\n\nNot on the \"gateway pundit,\" where they throw all kinds of insane, exaggerated reasons for ultra-maga crimes\nthat site is one of my favorite hate reads",
">\n\n\n“This man is fully radicalized. He hasn’t changed his viewpoint,” Kessler added. “He’s not admitting the ideas are wrong because he still holds them. This whole thing was Mr. Croft’s idea.”\n\n-\n\nA different jury in Grand Rapids couldn’t reach a verdict on the pair at the first trial last spring but acquitted two other men.\n\nMan, it sounds more and more like the first trial just had (at least) one Michigan Militia type who would have never convicted on any grounds at all.",
">\n\nI just find it hilarious that this group who claimed they were so aware of big government terror compared to us sheep. ..was infiltrated by a FBI informant rather easily lol.\nI'd say I'd wanna see the movie one day but it's probably just the FBI informant making a Facebook posting down with liberals and he was welcomed with open arms.\nEdit - I just realized that it seems I'm making light of the FBI informants job. I am not. I could not do that job and be looking over my shoulder basically not living my own life for months to years.",
">\n\nIt wasn't even an FBI agent, it was just some former military dude who joined their military gun drill club and heard their very detailed plot to execute cops and told his cop buddy about it. The cop buddy was like, fuck, that sounds real lemme ask the FBI what to do. The FBI told the guy, hey, can you, like, stay friends with them and just kinda let us know if they do anything really crazy like ask where to buy a bomb to blow up a bridge?\nAnd then they were like, shit, we need a bomb to blow up a bridge as a diversion. You were in the military, do you know anyone? And the dude was like, uh, yeah, let me ask my old buddy Fred Ben Iver.",
">\n\nThey need to do some of that kind of work to grab whoever is behind all of the power stations being hit.",
">\n\nIt is very likely it is completely separate groups. The white supremacist movement (which all this antigovernmental stuff right now is part of and/or grew out of), does everything they can to stay autonomous so that if one cell goes down there is no connection. They can spread their ideology and tactics by just putting them out there on certain forums and are never directly involved, yet have the freedom of speech cover.",
">\n\nIts probably going to be a rite of passage, like being jumped into a gang. Except it is also like having a Canadian girlfriend.\nIf you want domestic terrorist clout at the local watering hole you brag, \"You know that electrical substation that got taken out? Not saying I was directly involved, but not necessarily denying either.\"\nTo Law Enforcement you say, \"That's a lie. Ah gots rats!!\"\nSchrodinger's Terrorist.",
">\n\nHe looks like the kinda guy who’d try to buy bank robbery supplies from a pawn shop.",
">\n\nShort response: good. Longer response? Goooooooooooooooood.",
">\n\nTwo more 'o' and you'd have one for each year of his sentence.",
">\n\nAnother dumb fuck becomes a burden on taxpayers.",
">\n\nLet’s be honest: they were probably a burden to taxpayers beforehand.",
">\n\nYou know, kidnapping and killing US government officials isn't a good thing to do. Even if Trump says to do it.",
">\n\nYou got a weird way of spelling eventually.",
">\n\nWhat kind of country are we becoming where you cannot even kidnap your Governors? /sarcasm",
">\n\n19 years in prison essentially over not wanting to wear a mask.",
">\n\nMore like 19 years because you closed my bar for a few weeks and that’s unacceptable to redneck Michigan.",
">\n\nwell, if you still watch fox news you’re probably upset by this verdict. tucker carlson will agree with you and tell you why. but this is a reality check and you might want to take a step back and reevaluate your life before you end up storming the capital again or attacking a power grid",
">\n\nGood. Fuck them all.9",
">\n\nPrimeee definition of fuck around and find out…imagine wasting 19 years of your life because you thought you were smart enough to hatch a terror attack on a fucking online message board that had fbi agents on it 💀💀and that baddie STILL won releection. \nenjoy prison biatch, go big gretch. she seems like a pretty cool lady.",
">\n\n\nJudge Robert J. Jonker described him as “the idea guy” behind the plot\n...\nDelaware, man didn’t actually have authority over others and often frustrated them because he “just kept talking.”\n\nInteresting that 'talker' of the group is getting hemmed up. Reminds me of another bigly idea guy who agitated a group of people to do crimes.",
">\n\nMore of this, judicial system.",
">\n\nBbbbbut the FBI made me do it!",
">\n\nLong compared to what? We got people locked up twice as long for weed in this country.",
">\n\nStill not long enough",
">\n\nI agree, but at least he’ll be about 67 when he gets out, the last of the prime years of his life taken away from him.",
">\n\nAnd I imagine he won't be in a very secure place financially when he leaves prison. It's not like he's going to leave in 16 years and then retire on some vast fortune. He'll need to work to survive and who's going to hire an extremist that tried to murder a government official? He'll be lucky to get employed as \"janitor for the McDonald's in the really bad part of town.\" \nAnd while I'm sure he'll blame all his troubles on \"liberals/socialists/Democrats/non-whites/etc,\" the only person truly responsible for how his life ended up will be himself.",
">\n\nWell, there is always the option for these type of people to get a job at Fox or OAN…",
">\n\nI think you have to succeed in your crimes to be offered a prime-time slot on Fox. (or be guest of honor for the GOP)",
">\n\nWow, the \"find out\" stage really did him up the butt.",
">\n\nSometimes, you can judge a book by its cover…"
] |
>
If the "2A exists to protect us against tyranny" argument was a person.
|
[
"At one point, Croft told allies: “I don’t like seeing anybody get killed either. But you don’t make an omelet without breaking a few eggs, you know what I mean?”\n\nI’ve never heard someone compassionate, full of empathy doing good for the world pull out that saying. It’s always someone trying to minimize some bullshit.",
">\n\nEvil is banal and mundane. As Hannah Arendt observes in her book Eichmann in Jerusalem, evil people like that use stock phrases and self-invented clichés, including ... you don’t make an omelet without breaking a few eggs ..., to justify their behaviour and lack of critical thinking. People delude themselves into believing they're genuinely good, righteous people.",
">\n\nYep, no one thinks \"muahaha, I am evil!\"",
">\n\nI mean, there’s some people that do. There was a certain subset of Nazis working in the prison camps who knew exactly what was going on, and genuinely enjoyed being there. Same with the Christian missionaries who enacted genocide on the natives - there were priests and nuns in those Catholic schools who willfully abused (and even murdered) kids. \nGenuine psychopaths exist. They’re the minority, but they’re out there. The “banality of evil” problem is that the Nazis and the Catholic church set up entire systems that protected and enabled them.",
">\n\nThe torturers during the inquisition LOVED their work. They got points for doing Gods work and the further blessing of women to rape in ingenuous ways.",
">\n\nLet Croft and Fox rot for the next decade and a half. We’ll see how militant they are when they’re in their late 60s and have aged in the US prison system.",
">\n\nProbably…. More so?",
">\n\nMore so, but no one will go near them. A plot like that, they won't be able to walk past a laptop without the FBI knowing where they are after they're out. No one in their right mind would bring them back into their group.",
">\n\nImagine being so angry at being made to wear masks indoors, you plot to kill a government official, and will now spend the rest of your productive life behind bars ( he's 47 now). All because of having to wear a mask in Wal-Mart!",
">\n\nWhen you lose your freedoms because you don't understand your freedoms.",
">\n\nLoosing your freedoms because you stood up for your freedums…..",
">\n\nThis was a good one",
">\n\nNot really",
">\n\nYesterday the guy who was sentenced looked like a potato and this one looks like the kind of guy who would throw rocks at you for walking near his gold digging spot",
">\n\nGrew up in Michigan. Me: \"Shit, I think I know that guy...oh good, no, it's just his doppelganger.\" Both f-ing times.",
">\n\nSame. My first fear was that at least one of them would turn out to be a family member. Thankfully none... but many look awfully familiar.",
">\n\nProbably about time to take down the “My governor is an idiot” yard signs, Michiganders.",
">\n\nFinding out intensifies……",
">\n\n“(Defense attorney) Blanchard, who got emotional in the courtroom when speaking about Croft’s three children, told reporters outside the courthouse that the sentence means Croft will not get to see his kids grow up.”\nWell, when you try to kidnap and assassinate a governor because you don’t want to wear a mask or stay 6’ away from people because of a fucking pandemic, bad things end up happening to you. \n“Blanchard also maintained that Croft wasn’t the “ideas guy” he’s been portrayed as. He insisted that “most of what Mr. Croft said was excluded because the government didn’t want the jury to hear it.” “\nYeah, it’s not that the “government didn’t want the jury to hear it”. Court doesn’t work that way. The defense attorney didn’t get the testimony excluded. If Croft had a better attorney he might have gotten off, or a lighter sentence. \nThis Blanchard puke is as bad as the felons he represented. Crybaby failure all the way around…",
">\n\nHim not seeing his kids is probably the best thing for them. We don’t need more copies of him.",
">\n\nLooks like that \"the FBI are the ones who suggested it to us and egged us on\" defense didn't hold up.",
">\n\nBecause it was a lie.",
">\n\nNot on the \"gateway pundit,\" where they throw all kinds of insane, exaggerated reasons for ultra-maga crimes\nthat site is one of my favorite hate reads",
">\n\n\n“This man is fully radicalized. He hasn’t changed his viewpoint,” Kessler added. “He’s not admitting the ideas are wrong because he still holds them. This whole thing was Mr. Croft’s idea.”\n\n-\n\nA different jury in Grand Rapids couldn’t reach a verdict on the pair at the first trial last spring but acquitted two other men.\n\nMan, it sounds more and more like the first trial just had (at least) one Michigan Militia type who would have never convicted on any grounds at all.",
">\n\nI just find it hilarious that this group who claimed they were so aware of big government terror compared to us sheep. ..was infiltrated by a FBI informant rather easily lol.\nI'd say I'd wanna see the movie one day but it's probably just the FBI informant making a Facebook posting down with liberals and he was welcomed with open arms.\nEdit - I just realized that it seems I'm making light of the FBI informants job. I am not. I could not do that job and be looking over my shoulder basically not living my own life for months to years.",
">\n\nIt wasn't even an FBI agent, it was just some former military dude who joined their military gun drill club and heard their very detailed plot to execute cops and told his cop buddy about it. The cop buddy was like, fuck, that sounds real lemme ask the FBI what to do. The FBI told the guy, hey, can you, like, stay friends with them and just kinda let us know if they do anything really crazy like ask where to buy a bomb to blow up a bridge?\nAnd then they were like, shit, we need a bomb to blow up a bridge as a diversion. You were in the military, do you know anyone? And the dude was like, uh, yeah, let me ask my old buddy Fred Ben Iver.",
">\n\nThey need to do some of that kind of work to grab whoever is behind all of the power stations being hit.",
">\n\nIt is very likely it is completely separate groups. The white supremacist movement (which all this antigovernmental stuff right now is part of and/or grew out of), does everything they can to stay autonomous so that if one cell goes down there is no connection. They can spread their ideology and tactics by just putting them out there on certain forums and are never directly involved, yet have the freedom of speech cover.",
">\n\nIts probably going to be a rite of passage, like being jumped into a gang. Except it is also like having a Canadian girlfriend.\nIf you want domestic terrorist clout at the local watering hole you brag, \"You know that electrical substation that got taken out? Not saying I was directly involved, but not necessarily denying either.\"\nTo Law Enforcement you say, \"That's a lie. Ah gots rats!!\"\nSchrodinger's Terrorist.",
">\n\nHe looks like the kinda guy who’d try to buy bank robbery supplies from a pawn shop.",
">\n\nShort response: good. Longer response? Goooooooooooooooood.",
">\n\nTwo more 'o' and you'd have one for each year of his sentence.",
">\n\nAnother dumb fuck becomes a burden on taxpayers.",
">\n\nLet’s be honest: they were probably a burden to taxpayers beforehand.",
">\n\nYou know, kidnapping and killing US government officials isn't a good thing to do. Even if Trump says to do it.",
">\n\nYou got a weird way of spelling eventually.",
">\n\nWhat kind of country are we becoming where you cannot even kidnap your Governors? /sarcasm",
">\n\n19 years in prison essentially over not wanting to wear a mask.",
">\n\nMore like 19 years because you closed my bar for a few weeks and that’s unacceptable to redneck Michigan.",
">\n\nwell, if you still watch fox news you’re probably upset by this verdict. tucker carlson will agree with you and tell you why. but this is a reality check and you might want to take a step back and reevaluate your life before you end up storming the capital again or attacking a power grid",
">\n\nGood. Fuck them all.9",
">\n\nPrimeee definition of fuck around and find out…imagine wasting 19 years of your life because you thought you were smart enough to hatch a terror attack on a fucking online message board that had fbi agents on it 💀💀and that baddie STILL won releection. \nenjoy prison biatch, go big gretch. she seems like a pretty cool lady.",
">\n\n\nJudge Robert J. Jonker described him as “the idea guy” behind the plot\n...\nDelaware, man didn’t actually have authority over others and often frustrated them because he “just kept talking.”\n\nInteresting that 'talker' of the group is getting hemmed up. Reminds me of another bigly idea guy who agitated a group of people to do crimes.",
">\n\nMore of this, judicial system.",
">\n\nBbbbbut the FBI made me do it!",
">\n\nLong compared to what? We got people locked up twice as long for weed in this country.",
">\n\nStill not long enough",
">\n\nI agree, but at least he’ll be about 67 when he gets out, the last of the prime years of his life taken away from him.",
">\n\nAnd I imagine he won't be in a very secure place financially when he leaves prison. It's not like he's going to leave in 16 years and then retire on some vast fortune. He'll need to work to survive and who's going to hire an extremist that tried to murder a government official? He'll be lucky to get employed as \"janitor for the McDonald's in the really bad part of town.\" \nAnd while I'm sure he'll blame all his troubles on \"liberals/socialists/Democrats/non-whites/etc,\" the only person truly responsible for how his life ended up will be himself.",
">\n\nWell, there is always the option for these type of people to get a job at Fox or OAN…",
">\n\nI think you have to succeed in your crimes to be offered a prime-time slot on Fox. (or be guest of honor for the GOP)",
">\n\nWow, the \"find out\" stage really did him up the butt.",
">\n\nSometimes, you can judge a book by its cover…",
">\n\nHope he dies in prison. Fuck him."
] |
>
And "tyranny" to them means anything they don't personally agree with.
|
[
"At one point, Croft told allies: “I don’t like seeing anybody get killed either. But you don’t make an omelet without breaking a few eggs, you know what I mean?”\n\nI’ve never heard someone compassionate, full of empathy doing good for the world pull out that saying. It’s always someone trying to minimize some bullshit.",
">\n\nEvil is banal and mundane. As Hannah Arendt observes in her book Eichmann in Jerusalem, evil people like that use stock phrases and self-invented clichés, including ... you don’t make an omelet without breaking a few eggs ..., to justify their behaviour and lack of critical thinking. People delude themselves into believing they're genuinely good, righteous people.",
">\n\nYep, no one thinks \"muahaha, I am evil!\"",
">\n\nI mean, there’s some people that do. There was a certain subset of Nazis working in the prison camps who knew exactly what was going on, and genuinely enjoyed being there. Same with the Christian missionaries who enacted genocide on the natives - there were priests and nuns in those Catholic schools who willfully abused (and even murdered) kids. \nGenuine psychopaths exist. They’re the minority, but they’re out there. The “banality of evil” problem is that the Nazis and the Catholic church set up entire systems that protected and enabled them.",
">\n\nThe torturers during the inquisition LOVED their work. They got points for doing Gods work and the further blessing of women to rape in ingenuous ways.",
">\n\nLet Croft and Fox rot for the next decade and a half. We’ll see how militant they are when they’re in their late 60s and have aged in the US prison system.",
">\n\nProbably…. More so?",
">\n\nMore so, but no one will go near them. A plot like that, they won't be able to walk past a laptop without the FBI knowing where they are after they're out. No one in their right mind would bring them back into their group.",
">\n\nImagine being so angry at being made to wear masks indoors, you plot to kill a government official, and will now spend the rest of your productive life behind bars ( he's 47 now). All because of having to wear a mask in Wal-Mart!",
">\n\nWhen you lose your freedoms because you don't understand your freedoms.",
">\n\nLoosing your freedoms because you stood up for your freedums…..",
">\n\nThis was a good one",
">\n\nNot really",
">\n\nYesterday the guy who was sentenced looked like a potato and this one looks like the kind of guy who would throw rocks at you for walking near his gold digging spot",
">\n\nGrew up in Michigan. Me: \"Shit, I think I know that guy...oh good, no, it's just his doppelganger.\" Both f-ing times.",
">\n\nSame. My first fear was that at least one of them would turn out to be a family member. Thankfully none... but many look awfully familiar.",
">\n\nProbably about time to take down the “My governor is an idiot” yard signs, Michiganders.",
">\n\nFinding out intensifies……",
">\n\n“(Defense attorney) Blanchard, who got emotional in the courtroom when speaking about Croft’s three children, told reporters outside the courthouse that the sentence means Croft will not get to see his kids grow up.”\nWell, when you try to kidnap and assassinate a governor because you don’t want to wear a mask or stay 6’ away from people because of a fucking pandemic, bad things end up happening to you. \n“Blanchard also maintained that Croft wasn’t the “ideas guy” he’s been portrayed as. He insisted that “most of what Mr. Croft said was excluded because the government didn’t want the jury to hear it.” “\nYeah, it’s not that the “government didn’t want the jury to hear it”. Court doesn’t work that way. The defense attorney didn’t get the testimony excluded. If Croft had a better attorney he might have gotten off, or a lighter sentence. \nThis Blanchard puke is as bad as the felons he represented. Crybaby failure all the way around…",
">\n\nHim not seeing his kids is probably the best thing for them. We don’t need more copies of him.",
">\n\nLooks like that \"the FBI are the ones who suggested it to us and egged us on\" defense didn't hold up.",
">\n\nBecause it was a lie.",
">\n\nNot on the \"gateway pundit,\" where they throw all kinds of insane, exaggerated reasons for ultra-maga crimes\nthat site is one of my favorite hate reads",
">\n\n\n“This man is fully radicalized. He hasn’t changed his viewpoint,” Kessler added. “He’s not admitting the ideas are wrong because he still holds them. This whole thing was Mr. Croft’s idea.”\n\n-\n\nA different jury in Grand Rapids couldn’t reach a verdict on the pair at the first trial last spring but acquitted two other men.\n\nMan, it sounds more and more like the first trial just had (at least) one Michigan Militia type who would have never convicted on any grounds at all.",
">\n\nI just find it hilarious that this group who claimed they were so aware of big government terror compared to us sheep. ..was infiltrated by a FBI informant rather easily lol.\nI'd say I'd wanna see the movie one day but it's probably just the FBI informant making a Facebook posting down with liberals and he was welcomed with open arms.\nEdit - I just realized that it seems I'm making light of the FBI informants job. I am not. I could not do that job and be looking over my shoulder basically not living my own life for months to years.",
">\n\nIt wasn't even an FBI agent, it was just some former military dude who joined their military gun drill club and heard their very detailed plot to execute cops and told his cop buddy about it. The cop buddy was like, fuck, that sounds real lemme ask the FBI what to do. The FBI told the guy, hey, can you, like, stay friends with them and just kinda let us know if they do anything really crazy like ask where to buy a bomb to blow up a bridge?\nAnd then they were like, shit, we need a bomb to blow up a bridge as a diversion. You were in the military, do you know anyone? And the dude was like, uh, yeah, let me ask my old buddy Fred Ben Iver.",
">\n\nThey need to do some of that kind of work to grab whoever is behind all of the power stations being hit.",
">\n\nIt is very likely it is completely separate groups. The white supremacist movement (which all this antigovernmental stuff right now is part of and/or grew out of), does everything they can to stay autonomous so that if one cell goes down there is no connection. They can spread their ideology and tactics by just putting them out there on certain forums and are never directly involved, yet have the freedom of speech cover.",
">\n\nIts probably going to be a rite of passage, like being jumped into a gang. Except it is also like having a Canadian girlfriend.\nIf you want domestic terrorist clout at the local watering hole you brag, \"You know that electrical substation that got taken out? Not saying I was directly involved, but not necessarily denying either.\"\nTo Law Enforcement you say, \"That's a lie. Ah gots rats!!\"\nSchrodinger's Terrorist.",
">\n\nHe looks like the kinda guy who’d try to buy bank robbery supplies from a pawn shop.",
">\n\nShort response: good. Longer response? Goooooooooooooooood.",
">\n\nTwo more 'o' and you'd have one for each year of his sentence.",
">\n\nAnother dumb fuck becomes a burden on taxpayers.",
">\n\nLet’s be honest: they were probably a burden to taxpayers beforehand.",
">\n\nYou know, kidnapping and killing US government officials isn't a good thing to do. Even if Trump says to do it.",
">\n\nYou got a weird way of spelling eventually.",
">\n\nWhat kind of country are we becoming where you cannot even kidnap your Governors? /sarcasm",
">\n\n19 years in prison essentially over not wanting to wear a mask.",
">\n\nMore like 19 years because you closed my bar for a few weeks and that’s unacceptable to redneck Michigan.",
">\n\nwell, if you still watch fox news you’re probably upset by this verdict. tucker carlson will agree with you and tell you why. but this is a reality check and you might want to take a step back and reevaluate your life before you end up storming the capital again or attacking a power grid",
">\n\nGood. Fuck them all.9",
">\n\nPrimeee definition of fuck around and find out…imagine wasting 19 years of your life because you thought you were smart enough to hatch a terror attack on a fucking online message board that had fbi agents on it 💀💀and that baddie STILL won releection. \nenjoy prison biatch, go big gretch. she seems like a pretty cool lady.",
">\n\n\nJudge Robert J. Jonker described him as “the idea guy” behind the plot\n...\nDelaware, man didn’t actually have authority over others and often frustrated them because he “just kept talking.”\n\nInteresting that 'talker' of the group is getting hemmed up. Reminds me of another bigly idea guy who agitated a group of people to do crimes.",
">\n\nMore of this, judicial system.",
">\n\nBbbbbut the FBI made me do it!",
">\n\nLong compared to what? We got people locked up twice as long for weed in this country.",
">\n\nStill not long enough",
">\n\nI agree, but at least he’ll be about 67 when he gets out, the last of the prime years of his life taken away from him.",
">\n\nAnd I imagine he won't be in a very secure place financially when he leaves prison. It's not like he's going to leave in 16 years and then retire on some vast fortune. He'll need to work to survive and who's going to hire an extremist that tried to murder a government official? He'll be lucky to get employed as \"janitor for the McDonald's in the really bad part of town.\" \nAnd while I'm sure he'll blame all his troubles on \"liberals/socialists/Democrats/non-whites/etc,\" the only person truly responsible for how his life ended up will be himself.",
">\n\nWell, there is always the option for these type of people to get a job at Fox or OAN…",
">\n\nI think you have to succeed in your crimes to be offered a prime-time slot on Fox. (or be guest of honor for the GOP)",
">\n\nWow, the \"find out\" stage really did him up the butt.",
">\n\nSometimes, you can judge a book by its cover…",
">\n\nHope he dies in prison. Fuck him.",
">\n\nIf the \"2A exists to protect us against tyranny\" argument was a person."
] |
>
And "tyranny" to them means anything they don't personally agree with.
Or someone reading books to children at a library in drag.
|
[
"At one point, Croft told allies: “I don’t like seeing anybody get killed either. But you don’t make an omelet without breaking a few eggs, you know what I mean?”\n\nI’ve never heard someone compassionate, full of empathy doing good for the world pull out that saying. It’s always someone trying to minimize some bullshit.",
">\n\nEvil is banal and mundane. As Hannah Arendt observes in her book Eichmann in Jerusalem, evil people like that use stock phrases and self-invented clichés, including ... you don’t make an omelet without breaking a few eggs ..., to justify their behaviour and lack of critical thinking. People delude themselves into believing they're genuinely good, righteous people.",
">\n\nYep, no one thinks \"muahaha, I am evil!\"",
">\n\nI mean, there’s some people that do. There was a certain subset of Nazis working in the prison camps who knew exactly what was going on, and genuinely enjoyed being there. Same with the Christian missionaries who enacted genocide on the natives - there were priests and nuns in those Catholic schools who willfully abused (and even murdered) kids. \nGenuine psychopaths exist. They’re the minority, but they’re out there. The “banality of evil” problem is that the Nazis and the Catholic church set up entire systems that protected and enabled them.",
">\n\nThe torturers during the inquisition LOVED their work. They got points for doing Gods work and the further blessing of women to rape in ingenuous ways.",
">\n\nLet Croft and Fox rot for the next decade and a half. We’ll see how militant they are when they’re in their late 60s and have aged in the US prison system.",
">\n\nProbably…. More so?",
">\n\nMore so, but no one will go near them. A plot like that, they won't be able to walk past a laptop without the FBI knowing where they are after they're out. No one in their right mind would bring them back into their group.",
">\n\nImagine being so angry at being made to wear masks indoors, you plot to kill a government official, and will now spend the rest of your productive life behind bars ( he's 47 now). All because of having to wear a mask in Wal-Mart!",
">\n\nWhen you lose your freedoms because you don't understand your freedoms.",
">\n\nLoosing your freedoms because you stood up for your freedums…..",
">\n\nThis was a good one",
">\n\nNot really",
">\n\nYesterday the guy who was sentenced looked like a potato and this one looks like the kind of guy who would throw rocks at you for walking near his gold digging spot",
">\n\nGrew up in Michigan. Me: \"Shit, I think I know that guy...oh good, no, it's just his doppelganger.\" Both f-ing times.",
">\n\nSame. My first fear was that at least one of them would turn out to be a family member. Thankfully none... but many look awfully familiar.",
">\n\nProbably about time to take down the “My governor is an idiot” yard signs, Michiganders.",
">\n\nFinding out intensifies……",
">\n\n“(Defense attorney) Blanchard, who got emotional in the courtroom when speaking about Croft’s three children, told reporters outside the courthouse that the sentence means Croft will not get to see his kids grow up.”\nWell, when you try to kidnap and assassinate a governor because you don’t want to wear a mask or stay 6’ away from people because of a fucking pandemic, bad things end up happening to you. \n“Blanchard also maintained that Croft wasn’t the “ideas guy” he’s been portrayed as. He insisted that “most of what Mr. Croft said was excluded because the government didn’t want the jury to hear it.” “\nYeah, it’s not that the “government didn’t want the jury to hear it”. Court doesn’t work that way. The defense attorney didn’t get the testimony excluded. If Croft had a better attorney he might have gotten off, or a lighter sentence. \nThis Blanchard puke is as bad as the felons he represented. Crybaby failure all the way around…",
">\n\nHim not seeing his kids is probably the best thing for them. We don’t need more copies of him.",
">\n\nLooks like that \"the FBI are the ones who suggested it to us and egged us on\" defense didn't hold up.",
">\n\nBecause it was a lie.",
">\n\nNot on the \"gateway pundit,\" where they throw all kinds of insane, exaggerated reasons for ultra-maga crimes\nthat site is one of my favorite hate reads",
">\n\n\n“This man is fully radicalized. He hasn’t changed his viewpoint,” Kessler added. “He’s not admitting the ideas are wrong because he still holds them. This whole thing was Mr. Croft’s idea.”\n\n-\n\nA different jury in Grand Rapids couldn’t reach a verdict on the pair at the first trial last spring but acquitted two other men.\n\nMan, it sounds more and more like the first trial just had (at least) one Michigan Militia type who would have never convicted on any grounds at all.",
">\n\nI just find it hilarious that this group who claimed they were so aware of big government terror compared to us sheep. ..was infiltrated by a FBI informant rather easily lol.\nI'd say I'd wanna see the movie one day but it's probably just the FBI informant making a Facebook posting down with liberals and he was welcomed with open arms.\nEdit - I just realized that it seems I'm making light of the FBI informants job. I am not. I could not do that job and be looking over my shoulder basically not living my own life for months to years.",
">\n\nIt wasn't even an FBI agent, it was just some former military dude who joined their military gun drill club and heard their very detailed plot to execute cops and told his cop buddy about it. The cop buddy was like, fuck, that sounds real lemme ask the FBI what to do. The FBI told the guy, hey, can you, like, stay friends with them and just kinda let us know if they do anything really crazy like ask where to buy a bomb to blow up a bridge?\nAnd then they were like, shit, we need a bomb to blow up a bridge as a diversion. You were in the military, do you know anyone? And the dude was like, uh, yeah, let me ask my old buddy Fred Ben Iver.",
">\n\nThey need to do some of that kind of work to grab whoever is behind all of the power stations being hit.",
">\n\nIt is very likely it is completely separate groups. The white supremacist movement (which all this antigovernmental stuff right now is part of and/or grew out of), does everything they can to stay autonomous so that if one cell goes down there is no connection. They can spread their ideology and tactics by just putting them out there on certain forums and are never directly involved, yet have the freedom of speech cover.",
">\n\nIts probably going to be a rite of passage, like being jumped into a gang. Except it is also like having a Canadian girlfriend.\nIf you want domestic terrorist clout at the local watering hole you brag, \"You know that electrical substation that got taken out? Not saying I was directly involved, but not necessarily denying either.\"\nTo Law Enforcement you say, \"That's a lie. Ah gots rats!!\"\nSchrodinger's Terrorist.",
">\n\nHe looks like the kinda guy who’d try to buy bank robbery supplies from a pawn shop.",
">\n\nShort response: good. Longer response? Goooooooooooooooood.",
">\n\nTwo more 'o' and you'd have one for each year of his sentence.",
">\n\nAnother dumb fuck becomes a burden on taxpayers.",
">\n\nLet’s be honest: they were probably a burden to taxpayers beforehand.",
">\n\nYou know, kidnapping and killing US government officials isn't a good thing to do. Even if Trump says to do it.",
">\n\nYou got a weird way of spelling eventually.",
">\n\nWhat kind of country are we becoming where you cannot even kidnap your Governors? /sarcasm",
">\n\n19 years in prison essentially over not wanting to wear a mask.",
">\n\nMore like 19 years because you closed my bar for a few weeks and that’s unacceptable to redneck Michigan.",
">\n\nwell, if you still watch fox news you’re probably upset by this verdict. tucker carlson will agree with you and tell you why. but this is a reality check and you might want to take a step back and reevaluate your life before you end up storming the capital again or attacking a power grid",
">\n\nGood. Fuck them all.9",
">\n\nPrimeee definition of fuck around and find out…imagine wasting 19 years of your life because you thought you were smart enough to hatch a terror attack on a fucking online message board that had fbi agents on it 💀💀and that baddie STILL won releection. \nenjoy prison biatch, go big gretch. she seems like a pretty cool lady.",
">\n\n\nJudge Robert J. Jonker described him as “the idea guy” behind the plot\n...\nDelaware, man didn’t actually have authority over others and often frustrated them because he “just kept talking.”\n\nInteresting that 'talker' of the group is getting hemmed up. Reminds me of another bigly idea guy who agitated a group of people to do crimes.",
">\n\nMore of this, judicial system.",
">\n\nBbbbbut the FBI made me do it!",
">\n\nLong compared to what? We got people locked up twice as long for weed in this country.",
">\n\nStill not long enough",
">\n\nI agree, but at least he’ll be about 67 when he gets out, the last of the prime years of his life taken away from him.",
">\n\nAnd I imagine he won't be in a very secure place financially when he leaves prison. It's not like he's going to leave in 16 years and then retire on some vast fortune. He'll need to work to survive and who's going to hire an extremist that tried to murder a government official? He'll be lucky to get employed as \"janitor for the McDonald's in the really bad part of town.\" \nAnd while I'm sure he'll blame all his troubles on \"liberals/socialists/Democrats/non-whites/etc,\" the only person truly responsible for how his life ended up will be himself.",
">\n\nWell, there is always the option for these type of people to get a job at Fox or OAN…",
">\n\nI think you have to succeed in your crimes to be offered a prime-time slot on Fox. (or be guest of honor for the GOP)",
">\n\nWow, the \"find out\" stage really did him up the butt.",
">\n\nSometimes, you can judge a book by its cover…",
">\n\nHope he dies in prison. Fuck him.",
">\n\nIf the \"2A exists to protect us against tyranny\" argument was a person.",
">\n\nAnd \"tyranny\" to them means anything they don't personally agree with."
] |
>
What is the obsession with reading sexulized stories to kids in drag? I mean lighten up?
|
[
"At one point, Croft told allies: “I don’t like seeing anybody get killed either. But you don’t make an omelet without breaking a few eggs, you know what I mean?”\n\nI’ve never heard someone compassionate, full of empathy doing good for the world pull out that saying. It’s always someone trying to minimize some bullshit.",
">\n\nEvil is banal and mundane. As Hannah Arendt observes in her book Eichmann in Jerusalem, evil people like that use stock phrases and self-invented clichés, including ... you don’t make an omelet without breaking a few eggs ..., to justify their behaviour and lack of critical thinking. People delude themselves into believing they're genuinely good, righteous people.",
">\n\nYep, no one thinks \"muahaha, I am evil!\"",
">\n\nI mean, there’s some people that do. There was a certain subset of Nazis working in the prison camps who knew exactly what was going on, and genuinely enjoyed being there. Same with the Christian missionaries who enacted genocide on the natives - there were priests and nuns in those Catholic schools who willfully abused (and even murdered) kids. \nGenuine psychopaths exist. They’re the minority, but they’re out there. The “banality of evil” problem is that the Nazis and the Catholic church set up entire systems that protected and enabled them.",
">\n\nThe torturers during the inquisition LOVED their work. They got points for doing Gods work and the further blessing of women to rape in ingenuous ways.",
">\n\nLet Croft and Fox rot for the next decade and a half. We’ll see how militant they are when they’re in their late 60s and have aged in the US prison system.",
">\n\nProbably…. More so?",
">\n\nMore so, but no one will go near them. A plot like that, they won't be able to walk past a laptop without the FBI knowing where they are after they're out. No one in their right mind would bring them back into their group.",
">\n\nImagine being so angry at being made to wear masks indoors, you plot to kill a government official, and will now spend the rest of your productive life behind bars ( he's 47 now). All because of having to wear a mask in Wal-Mart!",
">\n\nWhen you lose your freedoms because you don't understand your freedoms.",
">\n\nLoosing your freedoms because you stood up for your freedums…..",
">\n\nThis was a good one",
">\n\nNot really",
">\n\nYesterday the guy who was sentenced looked like a potato and this one looks like the kind of guy who would throw rocks at you for walking near his gold digging spot",
">\n\nGrew up in Michigan. Me: \"Shit, I think I know that guy...oh good, no, it's just his doppelganger.\" Both f-ing times.",
">\n\nSame. My first fear was that at least one of them would turn out to be a family member. Thankfully none... but many look awfully familiar.",
">\n\nProbably about time to take down the “My governor is an idiot” yard signs, Michiganders.",
">\n\nFinding out intensifies……",
">\n\n“(Defense attorney) Blanchard, who got emotional in the courtroom when speaking about Croft’s three children, told reporters outside the courthouse that the sentence means Croft will not get to see his kids grow up.”\nWell, when you try to kidnap and assassinate a governor because you don’t want to wear a mask or stay 6’ away from people because of a fucking pandemic, bad things end up happening to you. \n“Blanchard also maintained that Croft wasn’t the “ideas guy” he’s been portrayed as. He insisted that “most of what Mr. Croft said was excluded because the government didn’t want the jury to hear it.” “\nYeah, it’s not that the “government didn’t want the jury to hear it”. Court doesn’t work that way. The defense attorney didn’t get the testimony excluded. If Croft had a better attorney he might have gotten off, or a lighter sentence. \nThis Blanchard puke is as bad as the felons he represented. Crybaby failure all the way around…",
">\n\nHim not seeing his kids is probably the best thing for them. We don’t need more copies of him.",
">\n\nLooks like that \"the FBI are the ones who suggested it to us and egged us on\" defense didn't hold up.",
">\n\nBecause it was a lie.",
">\n\nNot on the \"gateway pundit,\" where they throw all kinds of insane, exaggerated reasons for ultra-maga crimes\nthat site is one of my favorite hate reads",
">\n\n\n“This man is fully radicalized. He hasn’t changed his viewpoint,” Kessler added. “He’s not admitting the ideas are wrong because he still holds them. This whole thing was Mr. Croft’s idea.”\n\n-\n\nA different jury in Grand Rapids couldn’t reach a verdict on the pair at the first trial last spring but acquitted two other men.\n\nMan, it sounds more and more like the first trial just had (at least) one Michigan Militia type who would have never convicted on any grounds at all.",
">\n\nI just find it hilarious that this group who claimed they were so aware of big government terror compared to us sheep. ..was infiltrated by a FBI informant rather easily lol.\nI'd say I'd wanna see the movie one day but it's probably just the FBI informant making a Facebook posting down with liberals and he was welcomed with open arms.\nEdit - I just realized that it seems I'm making light of the FBI informants job. I am not. I could not do that job and be looking over my shoulder basically not living my own life for months to years.",
">\n\nIt wasn't even an FBI agent, it was just some former military dude who joined their military gun drill club and heard their very detailed plot to execute cops and told his cop buddy about it. The cop buddy was like, fuck, that sounds real lemme ask the FBI what to do. The FBI told the guy, hey, can you, like, stay friends with them and just kinda let us know if they do anything really crazy like ask where to buy a bomb to blow up a bridge?\nAnd then they were like, shit, we need a bomb to blow up a bridge as a diversion. You were in the military, do you know anyone? And the dude was like, uh, yeah, let me ask my old buddy Fred Ben Iver.",
">\n\nThey need to do some of that kind of work to grab whoever is behind all of the power stations being hit.",
">\n\nIt is very likely it is completely separate groups. The white supremacist movement (which all this antigovernmental stuff right now is part of and/or grew out of), does everything they can to stay autonomous so that if one cell goes down there is no connection. They can spread their ideology and tactics by just putting them out there on certain forums and are never directly involved, yet have the freedom of speech cover.",
">\n\nIts probably going to be a rite of passage, like being jumped into a gang. Except it is also like having a Canadian girlfriend.\nIf you want domestic terrorist clout at the local watering hole you brag, \"You know that electrical substation that got taken out? Not saying I was directly involved, but not necessarily denying either.\"\nTo Law Enforcement you say, \"That's a lie. Ah gots rats!!\"\nSchrodinger's Terrorist.",
">\n\nHe looks like the kinda guy who’d try to buy bank robbery supplies from a pawn shop.",
">\n\nShort response: good. Longer response? Goooooooooooooooood.",
">\n\nTwo more 'o' and you'd have one for each year of his sentence.",
">\n\nAnother dumb fuck becomes a burden on taxpayers.",
">\n\nLet’s be honest: they were probably a burden to taxpayers beforehand.",
">\n\nYou know, kidnapping and killing US government officials isn't a good thing to do. Even if Trump says to do it.",
">\n\nYou got a weird way of spelling eventually.",
">\n\nWhat kind of country are we becoming where you cannot even kidnap your Governors? /sarcasm",
">\n\n19 years in prison essentially over not wanting to wear a mask.",
">\n\nMore like 19 years because you closed my bar for a few weeks and that’s unacceptable to redneck Michigan.",
">\n\nwell, if you still watch fox news you’re probably upset by this verdict. tucker carlson will agree with you and tell you why. but this is a reality check and you might want to take a step back and reevaluate your life before you end up storming the capital again or attacking a power grid",
">\n\nGood. Fuck them all.9",
">\n\nPrimeee definition of fuck around and find out…imagine wasting 19 years of your life because you thought you were smart enough to hatch a terror attack on a fucking online message board that had fbi agents on it 💀💀and that baddie STILL won releection. \nenjoy prison biatch, go big gretch. she seems like a pretty cool lady.",
">\n\n\nJudge Robert J. Jonker described him as “the idea guy” behind the plot\n...\nDelaware, man didn’t actually have authority over others and often frustrated them because he “just kept talking.”\n\nInteresting that 'talker' of the group is getting hemmed up. Reminds me of another bigly idea guy who agitated a group of people to do crimes.",
">\n\nMore of this, judicial system.",
">\n\nBbbbbut the FBI made me do it!",
">\n\nLong compared to what? We got people locked up twice as long for weed in this country.",
">\n\nStill not long enough",
">\n\nI agree, but at least he’ll be about 67 when he gets out, the last of the prime years of his life taken away from him.",
">\n\nAnd I imagine he won't be in a very secure place financially when he leaves prison. It's not like he's going to leave in 16 years and then retire on some vast fortune. He'll need to work to survive and who's going to hire an extremist that tried to murder a government official? He'll be lucky to get employed as \"janitor for the McDonald's in the really bad part of town.\" \nAnd while I'm sure he'll blame all his troubles on \"liberals/socialists/Democrats/non-whites/etc,\" the only person truly responsible for how his life ended up will be himself.",
">\n\nWell, there is always the option for these type of people to get a job at Fox or OAN…",
">\n\nI think you have to succeed in your crimes to be offered a prime-time slot on Fox. (or be guest of honor for the GOP)",
">\n\nWow, the \"find out\" stage really did him up the butt.",
">\n\nSometimes, you can judge a book by its cover…",
">\n\nHope he dies in prison. Fuck him.",
">\n\nIf the \"2A exists to protect us against tyranny\" argument was a person.",
">\n\nAnd \"tyranny\" to them means anything they don't personally agree with.",
">\n\n\nAnd \"tyranny\" to them means anything they don't personally agree with.\n\nOr someone reading books to children at a library in drag."
] |
>
Why are the people who tried to kidnap a governor getting such harsher penalties than the people who broke into congress, assaulted police, tried to kill members of congress, and tried to overthrow the government?
|
[
"At one point, Croft told allies: “I don’t like seeing anybody get killed either. But you don’t make an omelet without breaking a few eggs, you know what I mean?”\n\nI’ve never heard someone compassionate, full of empathy doing good for the world pull out that saying. It’s always someone trying to minimize some bullshit.",
">\n\nEvil is banal and mundane. As Hannah Arendt observes in her book Eichmann in Jerusalem, evil people like that use stock phrases and self-invented clichés, including ... you don’t make an omelet without breaking a few eggs ..., to justify their behaviour and lack of critical thinking. People delude themselves into believing they're genuinely good, righteous people.",
">\n\nYep, no one thinks \"muahaha, I am evil!\"",
">\n\nI mean, there’s some people that do. There was a certain subset of Nazis working in the prison camps who knew exactly what was going on, and genuinely enjoyed being there. Same with the Christian missionaries who enacted genocide on the natives - there were priests and nuns in those Catholic schools who willfully abused (and even murdered) kids. \nGenuine psychopaths exist. They’re the minority, but they’re out there. The “banality of evil” problem is that the Nazis and the Catholic church set up entire systems that protected and enabled them.",
">\n\nThe torturers during the inquisition LOVED their work. They got points for doing Gods work and the further blessing of women to rape in ingenuous ways.",
">\n\nLet Croft and Fox rot for the next decade and a half. We’ll see how militant they are when they’re in their late 60s and have aged in the US prison system.",
">\n\nProbably…. More so?",
">\n\nMore so, but no one will go near them. A plot like that, they won't be able to walk past a laptop without the FBI knowing where they are after they're out. No one in their right mind would bring them back into their group.",
">\n\nImagine being so angry at being made to wear masks indoors, you plot to kill a government official, and will now spend the rest of your productive life behind bars ( he's 47 now). All because of having to wear a mask in Wal-Mart!",
">\n\nWhen you lose your freedoms because you don't understand your freedoms.",
">\n\nLoosing your freedoms because you stood up for your freedums…..",
">\n\nThis was a good one",
">\n\nNot really",
">\n\nYesterday the guy who was sentenced looked like a potato and this one looks like the kind of guy who would throw rocks at you for walking near his gold digging spot",
">\n\nGrew up in Michigan. Me: \"Shit, I think I know that guy...oh good, no, it's just his doppelganger.\" Both f-ing times.",
">\n\nSame. My first fear was that at least one of them would turn out to be a family member. Thankfully none... but many look awfully familiar.",
">\n\nProbably about time to take down the “My governor is an idiot” yard signs, Michiganders.",
">\n\nFinding out intensifies……",
">\n\n“(Defense attorney) Blanchard, who got emotional in the courtroom when speaking about Croft’s three children, told reporters outside the courthouse that the sentence means Croft will not get to see his kids grow up.”\nWell, when you try to kidnap and assassinate a governor because you don’t want to wear a mask or stay 6’ away from people because of a fucking pandemic, bad things end up happening to you. \n“Blanchard also maintained that Croft wasn’t the “ideas guy” he’s been portrayed as. He insisted that “most of what Mr. Croft said was excluded because the government didn’t want the jury to hear it.” “\nYeah, it’s not that the “government didn’t want the jury to hear it”. Court doesn’t work that way. The defense attorney didn’t get the testimony excluded. If Croft had a better attorney he might have gotten off, or a lighter sentence. \nThis Blanchard puke is as bad as the felons he represented. Crybaby failure all the way around…",
">\n\nHim not seeing his kids is probably the best thing for them. We don’t need more copies of him.",
">\n\nLooks like that \"the FBI are the ones who suggested it to us and egged us on\" defense didn't hold up.",
">\n\nBecause it was a lie.",
">\n\nNot on the \"gateway pundit,\" where they throw all kinds of insane, exaggerated reasons for ultra-maga crimes\nthat site is one of my favorite hate reads",
">\n\n\n“This man is fully radicalized. He hasn’t changed his viewpoint,” Kessler added. “He’s not admitting the ideas are wrong because he still holds them. This whole thing was Mr. Croft’s idea.”\n\n-\n\nA different jury in Grand Rapids couldn’t reach a verdict on the pair at the first trial last spring but acquitted two other men.\n\nMan, it sounds more and more like the first trial just had (at least) one Michigan Militia type who would have never convicted on any grounds at all.",
">\n\nI just find it hilarious that this group who claimed they were so aware of big government terror compared to us sheep. ..was infiltrated by a FBI informant rather easily lol.\nI'd say I'd wanna see the movie one day but it's probably just the FBI informant making a Facebook posting down with liberals and he was welcomed with open arms.\nEdit - I just realized that it seems I'm making light of the FBI informants job. I am not. I could not do that job and be looking over my shoulder basically not living my own life for months to years.",
">\n\nIt wasn't even an FBI agent, it was just some former military dude who joined their military gun drill club and heard their very detailed plot to execute cops and told his cop buddy about it. The cop buddy was like, fuck, that sounds real lemme ask the FBI what to do. The FBI told the guy, hey, can you, like, stay friends with them and just kinda let us know if they do anything really crazy like ask where to buy a bomb to blow up a bridge?\nAnd then they were like, shit, we need a bomb to blow up a bridge as a diversion. You were in the military, do you know anyone? And the dude was like, uh, yeah, let me ask my old buddy Fred Ben Iver.",
">\n\nThey need to do some of that kind of work to grab whoever is behind all of the power stations being hit.",
">\n\nIt is very likely it is completely separate groups. The white supremacist movement (which all this antigovernmental stuff right now is part of and/or grew out of), does everything they can to stay autonomous so that if one cell goes down there is no connection. They can spread their ideology and tactics by just putting them out there on certain forums and are never directly involved, yet have the freedom of speech cover.",
">\n\nIts probably going to be a rite of passage, like being jumped into a gang. Except it is also like having a Canadian girlfriend.\nIf you want domestic terrorist clout at the local watering hole you brag, \"You know that electrical substation that got taken out? Not saying I was directly involved, but not necessarily denying either.\"\nTo Law Enforcement you say, \"That's a lie. Ah gots rats!!\"\nSchrodinger's Terrorist.",
">\n\nHe looks like the kinda guy who’d try to buy bank robbery supplies from a pawn shop.",
">\n\nShort response: good. Longer response? Goooooooooooooooood.",
">\n\nTwo more 'o' and you'd have one for each year of his sentence.",
">\n\nAnother dumb fuck becomes a burden on taxpayers.",
">\n\nLet’s be honest: they were probably a burden to taxpayers beforehand.",
">\n\nYou know, kidnapping and killing US government officials isn't a good thing to do. Even if Trump says to do it.",
">\n\nYou got a weird way of spelling eventually.",
">\n\nWhat kind of country are we becoming where you cannot even kidnap your Governors? /sarcasm",
">\n\n19 years in prison essentially over not wanting to wear a mask.",
">\n\nMore like 19 years because you closed my bar for a few weeks and that’s unacceptable to redneck Michigan.",
">\n\nwell, if you still watch fox news you’re probably upset by this verdict. tucker carlson will agree with you and tell you why. but this is a reality check and you might want to take a step back and reevaluate your life before you end up storming the capital again or attacking a power grid",
">\n\nGood. Fuck them all.9",
">\n\nPrimeee definition of fuck around and find out…imagine wasting 19 years of your life because you thought you were smart enough to hatch a terror attack on a fucking online message board that had fbi agents on it 💀💀and that baddie STILL won releection. \nenjoy prison biatch, go big gretch. she seems like a pretty cool lady.",
">\n\n\nJudge Robert J. Jonker described him as “the idea guy” behind the plot\n...\nDelaware, man didn’t actually have authority over others and often frustrated them because he “just kept talking.”\n\nInteresting that 'talker' of the group is getting hemmed up. Reminds me of another bigly idea guy who agitated a group of people to do crimes.",
">\n\nMore of this, judicial system.",
">\n\nBbbbbut the FBI made me do it!",
">\n\nLong compared to what? We got people locked up twice as long for weed in this country.",
">\n\nStill not long enough",
">\n\nI agree, but at least he’ll be about 67 when he gets out, the last of the prime years of his life taken away from him.",
">\n\nAnd I imagine he won't be in a very secure place financially when he leaves prison. It's not like he's going to leave in 16 years and then retire on some vast fortune. He'll need to work to survive and who's going to hire an extremist that tried to murder a government official? He'll be lucky to get employed as \"janitor for the McDonald's in the really bad part of town.\" \nAnd while I'm sure he'll blame all his troubles on \"liberals/socialists/Democrats/non-whites/etc,\" the only person truly responsible for how his life ended up will be himself.",
">\n\nWell, there is always the option for these type of people to get a job at Fox or OAN…",
">\n\nI think you have to succeed in your crimes to be offered a prime-time slot on Fox. (or be guest of honor for the GOP)",
">\n\nWow, the \"find out\" stage really did him up the butt.",
">\n\nSometimes, you can judge a book by its cover…",
">\n\nHope he dies in prison. Fuck him.",
">\n\nIf the \"2A exists to protect us against tyranny\" argument was a person.",
">\n\nAnd \"tyranny\" to them means anything they don't personally agree with.",
">\n\n\nAnd \"tyranny\" to them means anything they don't personally agree with.\n\nOr someone reading books to children at a library in drag.",
">\n\nWhat is the obsession with reading sexulized stories to kids in drag? I mean lighten up?"
] |
>
Honestly, do you think these inbred dipshits still expect Trump to rescue them? Or have the learned that they were pawns in the biggest con in US history?
|
[
"At one point, Croft told allies: “I don’t like seeing anybody get killed either. But you don’t make an omelet without breaking a few eggs, you know what I mean?”\n\nI’ve never heard someone compassionate, full of empathy doing good for the world pull out that saying. It’s always someone trying to minimize some bullshit.",
">\n\nEvil is banal and mundane. As Hannah Arendt observes in her book Eichmann in Jerusalem, evil people like that use stock phrases and self-invented clichés, including ... you don’t make an omelet without breaking a few eggs ..., to justify their behaviour and lack of critical thinking. People delude themselves into believing they're genuinely good, righteous people.",
">\n\nYep, no one thinks \"muahaha, I am evil!\"",
">\n\nI mean, there’s some people that do. There was a certain subset of Nazis working in the prison camps who knew exactly what was going on, and genuinely enjoyed being there. Same with the Christian missionaries who enacted genocide on the natives - there were priests and nuns in those Catholic schools who willfully abused (and even murdered) kids. \nGenuine psychopaths exist. They’re the minority, but they’re out there. The “banality of evil” problem is that the Nazis and the Catholic church set up entire systems that protected and enabled them.",
">\n\nThe torturers during the inquisition LOVED their work. They got points for doing Gods work and the further blessing of women to rape in ingenuous ways.",
">\n\nLet Croft and Fox rot for the next decade and a half. We’ll see how militant they are when they’re in their late 60s and have aged in the US prison system.",
">\n\nProbably…. More so?",
">\n\nMore so, but no one will go near them. A plot like that, they won't be able to walk past a laptop without the FBI knowing where they are after they're out. No one in their right mind would bring them back into their group.",
">\n\nImagine being so angry at being made to wear masks indoors, you plot to kill a government official, and will now spend the rest of your productive life behind bars ( he's 47 now). All because of having to wear a mask in Wal-Mart!",
">\n\nWhen you lose your freedoms because you don't understand your freedoms.",
">\n\nLoosing your freedoms because you stood up for your freedums…..",
">\n\nThis was a good one",
">\n\nNot really",
">\n\nYesterday the guy who was sentenced looked like a potato and this one looks like the kind of guy who would throw rocks at you for walking near his gold digging spot",
">\n\nGrew up in Michigan. Me: \"Shit, I think I know that guy...oh good, no, it's just his doppelganger.\" Both f-ing times.",
">\n\nSame. My first fear was that at least one of them would turn out to be a family member. Thankfully none... but many look awfully familiar.",
">\n\nProbably about time to take down the “My governor is an idiot” yard signs, Michiganders.",
">\n\nFinding out intensifies……",
">\n\n“(Defense attorney) Blanchard, who got emotional in the courtroom when speaking about Croft’s three children, told reporters outside the courthouse that the sentence means Croft will not get to see his kids grow up.”\nWell, when you try to kidnap and assassinate a governor because you don’t want to wear a mask or stay 6’ away from people because of a fucking pandemic, bad things end up happening to you. \n“Blanchard also maintained that Croft wasn’t the “ideas guy” he’s been portrayed as. He insisted that “most of what Mr. Croft said was excluded because the government didn’t want the jury to hear it.” “\nYeah, it’s not that the “government didn’t want the jury to hear it”. Court doesn’t work that way. The defense attorney didn’t get the testimony excluded. If Croft had a better attorney he might have gotten off, or a lighter sentence. \nThis Blanchard puke is as bad as the felons he represented. Crybaby failure all the way around…",
">\n\nHim not seeing his kids is probably the best thing for them. We don’t need more copies of him.",
">\n\nLooks like that \"the FBI are the ones who suggested it to us and egged us on\" defense didn't hold up.",
">\n\nBecause it was a lie.",
">\n\nNot on the \"gateway pundit,\" where they throw all kinds of insane, exaggerated reasons for ultra-maga crimes\nthat site is one of my favorite hate reads",
">\n\n\n“This man is fully radicalized. He hasn’t changed his viewpoint,” Kessler added. “He’s not admitting the ideas are wrong because he still holds them. This whole thing was Mr. Croft’s idea.”\n\n-\n\nA different jury in Grand Rapids couldn’t reach a verdict on the pair at the first trial last spring but acquitted two other men.\n\nMan, it sounds more and more like the first trial just had (at least) one Michigan Militia type who would have never convicted on any grounds at all.",
">\n\nI just find it hilarious that this group who claimed they were so aware of big government terror compared to us sheep. ..was infiltrated by a FBI informant rather easily lol.\nI'd say I'd wanna see the movie one day but it's probably just the FBI informant making a Facebook posting down with liberals and he was welcomed with open arms.\nEdit - I just realized that it seems I'm making light of the FBI informants job. I am not. I could not do that job and be looking over my shoulder basically not living my own life for months to years.",
">\n\nIt wasn't even an FBI agent, it was just some former military dude who joined their military gun drill club and heard their very detailed plot to execute cops and told his cop buddy about it. The cop buddy was like, fuck, that sounds real lemme ask the FBI what to do. The FBI told the guy, hey, can you, like, stay friends with them and just kinda let us know if they do anything really crazy like ask where to buy a bomb to blow up a bridge?\nAnd then they were like, shit, we need a bomb to blow up a bridge as a diversion. You were in the military, do you know anyone? And the dude was like, uh, yeah, let me ask my old buddy Fred Ben Iver.",
">\n\nThey need to do some of that kind of work to grab whoever is behind all of the power stations being hit.",
">\n\nIt is very likely it is completely separate groups. The white supremacist movement (which all this antigovernmental stuff right now is part of and/or grew out of), does everything they can to stay autonomous so that if one cell goes down there is no connection. They can spread their ideology and tactics by just putting them out there on certain forums and are never directly involved, yet have the freedom of speech cover.",
">\n\nIts probably going to be a rite of passage, like being jumped into a gang. Except it is also like having a Canadian girlfriend.\nIf you want domestic terrorist clout at the local watering hole you brag, \"You know that electrical substation that got taken out? Not saying I was directly involved, but not necessarily denying either.\"\nTo Law Enforcement you say, \"That's a lie. Ah gots rats!!\"\nSchrodinger's Terrorist.",
">\n\nHe looks like the kinda guy who’d try to buy bank robbery supplies from a pawn shop.",
">\n\nShort response: good. Longer response? Goooooooooooooooood.",
">\n\nTwo more 'o' and you'd have one for each year of his sentence.",
">\n\nAnother dumb fuck becomes a burden on taxpayers.",
">\n\nLet’s be honest: they were probably a burden to taxpayers beforehand.",
">\n\nYou know, kidnapping and killing US government officials isn't a good thing to do. Even if Trump says to do it.",
">\n\nYou got a weird way of spelling eventually.",
">\n\nWhat kind of country are we becoming where you cannot even kidnap your Governors? /sarcasm",
">\n\n19 years in prison essentially over not wanting to wear a mask.",
">\n\nMore like 19 years because you closed my bar for a few weeks and that’s unacceptable to redneck Michigan.",
">\n\nwell, if you still watch fox news you’re probably upset by this verdict. tucker carlson will agree with you and tell you why. but this is a reality check and you might want to take a step back and reevaluate your life before you end up storming the capital again or attacking a power grid",
">\n\nGood. Fuck them all.9",
">\n\nPrimeee definition of fuck around and find out…imagine wasting 19 years of your life because you thought you were smart enough to hatch a terror attack on a fucking online message board that had fbi agents on it 💀💀and that baddie STILL won releection. \nenjoy prison biatch, go big gretch. she seems like a pretty cool lady.",
">\n\n\nJudge Robert J. Jonker described him as “the idea guy” behind the plot\n...\nDelaware, man didn’t actually have authority over others and often frustrated them because he “just kept talking.”\n\nInteresting that 'talker' of the group is getting hemmed up. Reminds me of another bigly idea guy who agitated a group of people to do crimes.",
">\n\nMore of this, judicial system.",
">\n\nBbbbbut the FBI made me do it!",
">\n\nLong compared to what? We got people locked up twice as long for weed in this country.",
">\n\nStill not long enough",
">\n\nI agree, but at least he’ll be about 67 when he gets out, the last of the prime years of his life taken away from him.",
">\n\nAnd I imagine he won't be in a very secure place financially when he leaves prison. It's not like he's going to leave in 16 years and then retire on some vast fortune. He'll need to work to survive and who's going to hire an extremist that tried to murder a government official? He'll be lucky to get employed as \"janitor for the McDonald's in the really bad part of town.\" \nAnd while I'm sure he'll blame all his troubles on \"liberals/socialists/Democrats/non-whites/etc,\" the only person truly responsible for how his life ended up will be himself.",
">\n\nWell, there is always the option for these type of people to get a job at Fox or OAN…",
">\n\nI think you have to succeed in your crimes to be offered a prime-time slot on Fox. (or be guest of honor for the GOP)",
">\n\nWow, the \"find out\" stage really did him up the butt.",
">\n\nSometimes, you can judge a book by its cover…",
">\n\nHope he dies in prison. Fuck him.",
">\n\nIf the \"2A exists to protect us against tyranny\" argument was a person.",
">\n\nAnd \"tyranny\" to them means anything they don't personally agree with.",
">\n\n\nAnd \"tyranny\" to them means anything they don't personally agree with.\n\nOr someone reading books to children at a library in drag.",
">\n\nWhat is the obsession with reading sexulized stories to kids in drag? I mean lighten up?",
">\n\nWhy are the people who tried to kidnap a governor getting such harsher penalties than the people who broke into congress, assaulted police, tried to kill members of congress, and tried to overthrow the government?"
] |
>
He’s still their hero although the Trump 2024 flags are dwindling slowly.
|
[
"At one point, Croft told allies: “I don’t like seeing anybody get killed either. But you don’t make an omelet without breaking a few eggs, you know what I mean?”\n\nI’ve never heard someone compassionate, full of empathy doing good for the world pull out that saying. It’s always someone trying to minimize some bullshit.",
">\n\nEvil is banal and mundane. As Hannah Arendt observes in her book Eichmann in Jerusalem, evil people like that use stock phrases and self-invented clichés, including ... you don’t make an omelet without breaking a few eggs ..., to justify their behaviour and lack of critical thinking. People delude themselves into believing they're genuinely good, righteous people.",
">\n\nYep, no one thinks \"muahaha, I am evil!\"",
">\n\nI mean, there’s some people that do. There was a certain subset of Nazis working in the prison camps who knew exactly what was going on, and genuinely enjoyed being there. Same with the Christian missionaries who enacted genocide on the natives - there were priests and nuns in those Catholic schools who willfully abused (and even murdered) kids. \nGenuine psychopaths exist. They’re the minority, but they’re out there. The “banality of evil” problem is that the Nazis and the Catholic church set up entire systems that protected and enabled them.",
">\n\nThe torturers during the inquisition LOVED their work. They got points for doing Gods work and the further blessing of women to rape in ingenuous ways.",
">\n\nLet Croft and Fox rot for the next decade and a half. We’ll see how militant they are when they’re in their late 60s and have aged in the US prison system.",
">\n\nProbably…. More so?",
">\n\nMore so, but no one will go near them. A plot like that, they won't be able to walk past a laptop without the FBI knowing where they are after they're out. No one in their right mind would bring them back into their group.",
">\n\nImagine being so angry at being made to wear masks indoors, you plot to kill a government official, and will now spend the rest of your productive life behind bars ( he's 47 now). All because of having to wear a mask in Wal-Mart!",
">\n\nWhen you lose your freedoms because you don't understand your freedoms.",
">\n\nLoosing your freedoms because you stood up for your freedums…..",
">\n\nThis was a good one",
">\n\nNot really",
">\n\nYesterday the guy who was sentenced looked like a potato and this one looks like the kind of guy who would throw rocks at you for walking near his gold digging spot",
">\n\nGrew up in Michigan. Me: \"Shit, I think I know that guy...oh good, no, it's just his doppelganger.\" Both f-ing times.",
">\n\nSame. My first fear was that at least one of them would turn out to be a family member. Thankfully none... but many look awfully familiar.",
">\n\nProbably about time to take down the “My governor is an idiot” yard signs, Michiganders.",
">\n\nFinding out intensifies……",
">\n\n“(Defense attorney) Blanchard, who got emotional in the courtroom when speaking about Croft’s three children, told reporters outside the courthouse that the sentence means Croft will not get to see his kids grow up.”\nWell, when you try to kidnap and assassinate a governor because you don’t want to wear a mask or stay 6’ away from people because of a fucking pandemic, bad things end up happening to you. \n“Blanchard also maintained that Croft wasn’t the “ideas guy” he’s been portrayed as. He insisted that “most of what Mr. Croft said was excluded because the government didn’t want the jury to hear it.” “\nYeah, it’s not that the “government didn’t want the jury to hear it”. Court doesn’t work that way. The defense attorney didn’t get the testimony excluded. If Croft had a better attorney he might have gotten off, or a lighter sentence. \nThis Blanchard puke is as bad as the felons he represented. Crybaby failure all the way around…",
">\n\nHim not seeing his kids is probably the best thing for them. We don’t need more copies of him.",
">\n\nLooks like that \"the FBI are the ones who suggested it to us and egged us on\" defense didn't hold up.",
">\n\nBecause it was a lie.",
">\n\nNot on the \"gateway pundit,\" where they throw all kinds of insane, exaggerated reasons for ultra-maga crimes\nthat site is one of my favorite hate reads",
">\n\n\n“This man is fully radicalized. He hasn’t changed his viewpoint,” Kessler added. “He’s not admitting the ideas are wrong because he still holds them. This whole thing was Mr. Croft’s idea.”\n\n-\n\nA different jury in Grand Rapids couldn’t reach a verdict on the pair at the first trial last spring but acquitted two other men.\n\nMan, it sounds more and more like the first trial just had (at least) one Michigan Militia type who would have never convicted on any grounds at all.",
">\n\nI just find it hilarious that this group who claimed they were so aware of big government terror compared to us sheep. ..was infiltrated by a FBI informant rather easily lol.\nI'd say I'd wanna see the movie one day but it's probably just the FBI informant making a Facebook posting down with liberals and he was welcomed with open arms.\nEdit - I just realized that it seems I'm making light of the FBI informants job. I am not. I could not do that job and be looking over my shoulder basically not living my own life for months to years.",
">\n\nIt wasn't even an FBI agent, it was just some former military dude who joined their military gun drill club and heard their very detailed plot to execute cops and told his cop buddy about it. The cop buddy was like, fuck, that sounds real lemme ask the FBI what to do. The FBI told the guy, hey, can you, like, stay friends with them and just kinda let us know if they do anything really crazy like ask where to buy a bomb to blow up a bridge?\nAnd then they were like, shit, we need a bomb to blow up a bridge as a diversion. You were in the military, do you know anyone? And the dude was like, uh, yeah, let me ask my old buddy Fred Ben Iver.",
">\n\nThey need to do some of that kind of work to grab whoever is behind all of the power stations being hit.",
">\n\nIt is very likely it is completely separate groups. The white supremacist movement (which all this antigovernmental stuff right now is part of and/or grew out of), does everything they can to stay autonomous so that if one cell goes down there is no connection. They can spread their ideology and tactics by just putting them out there on certain forums and are never directly involved, yet have the freedom of speech cover.",
">\n\nIts probably going to be a rite of passage, like being jumped into a gang. Except it is also like having a Canadian girlfriend.\nIf you want domestic terrorist clout at the local watering hole you brag, \"You know that electrical substation that got taken out? Not saying I was directly involved, but not necessarily denying either.\"\nTo Law Enforcement you say, \"That's a lie. Ah gots rats!!\"\nSchrodinger's Terrorist.",
">\n\nHe looks like the kinda guy who’d try to buy bank robbery supplies from a pawn shop.",
">\n\nShort response: good. Longer response? Goooooooooooooooood.",
">\n\nTwo more 'o' and you'd have one for each year of his sentence.",
">\n\nAnother dumb fuck becomes a burden on taxpayers.",
">\n\nLet’s be honest: they were probably a burden to taxpayers beforehand.",
">\n\nYou know, kidnapping and killing US government officials isn't a good thing to do. Even if Trump says to do it.",
">\n\nYou got a weird way of spelling eventually.",
">\n\nWhat kind of country are we becoming where you cannot even kidnap your Governors? /sarcasm",
">\n\n19 years in prison essentially over not wanting to wear a mask.",
">\n\nMore like 19 years because you closed my bar for a few weeks and that’s unacceptable to redneck Michigan.",
">\n\nwell, if you still watch fox news you’re probably upset by this verdict. tucker carlson will agree with you and tell you why. but this is a reality check and you might want to take a step back and reevaluate your life before you end up storming the capital again or attacking a power grid",
">\n\nGood. Fuck them all.9",
">\n\nPrimeee definition of fuck around and find out…imagine wasting 19 years of your life because you thought you were smart enough to hatch a terror attack on a fucking online message board that had fbi agents on it 💀💀and that baddie STILL won releection. \nenjoy prison biatch, go big gretch. she seems like a pretty cool lady.",
">\n\n\nJudge Robert J. Jonker described him as “the idea guy” behind the plot\n...\nDelaware, man didn’t actually have authority over others and often frustrated them because he “just kept talking.”\n\nInteresting that 'talker' of the group is getting hemmed up. Reminds me of another bigly idea guy who agitated a group of people to do crimes.",
">\n\nMore of this, judicial system.",
">\n\nBbbbbut the FBI made me do it!",
">\n\nLong compared to what? We got people locked up twice as long for weed in this country.",
">\n\nStill not long enough",
">\n\nI agree, but at least he’ll be about 67 when he gets out, the last of the prime years of his life taken away from him.",
">\n\nAnd I imagine he won't be in a very secure place financially when he leaves prison. It's not like he's going to leave in 16 years and then retire on some vast fortune. He'll need to work to survive and who's going to hire an extremist that tried to murder a government official? He'll be lucky to get employed as \"janitor for the McDonald's in the really bad part of town.\" \nAnd while I'm sure he'll blame all his troubles on \"liberals/socialists/Democrats/non-whites/etc,\" the only person truly responsible for how his life ended up will be himself.",
">\n\nWell, there is always the option for these type of people to get a job at Fox or OAN…",
">\n\nI think you have to succeed in your crimes to be offered a prime-time slot on Fox. (or be guest of honor for the GOP)",
">\n\nWow, the \"find out\" stage really did him up the butt.",
">\n\nSometimes, you can judge a book by its cover…",
">\n\nHope he dies in prison. Fuck him.",
">\n\nIf the \"2A exists to protect us against tyranny\" argument was a person.",
">\n\nAnd \"tyranny\" to them means anything they don't personally agree with.",
">\n\n\nAnd \"tyranny\" to them means anything they don't personally agree with.\n\nOr someone reading books to children at a library in drag.",
">\n\nWhat is the obsession with reading sexulized stories to kids in drag? I mean lighten up?",
">\n\nWhy are the people who tried to kidnap a governor getting such harsher penalties than the people who broke into congress, assaulted police, tried to kill members of congress, and tried to overthrow the government?",
">\n\nHonestly, do you think these inbred dipshits still expect Trump to rescue them? Or have the learned that they were pawns in the biggest con in US history?"
] |
>
What about the people who radicalized them?
|
[
"At one point, Croft told allies: “I don’t like seeing anybody get killed either. But you don’t make an omelet without breaking a few eggs, you know what I mean?”\n\nI’ve never heard someone compassionate, full of empathy doing good for the world pull out that saying. It’s always someone trying to minimize some bullshit.",
">\n\nEvil is banal and mundane. As Hannah Arendt observes in her book Eichmann in Jerusalem, evil people like that use stock phrases and self-invented clichés, including ... you don’t make an omelet without breaking a few eggs ..., to justify their behaviour and lack of critical thinking. People delude themselves into believing they're genuinely good, righteous people.",
">\n\nYep, no one thinks \"muahaha, I am evil!\"",
">\n\nI mean, there’s some people that do. There was a certain subset of Nazis working in the prison camps who knew exactly what was going on, and genuinely enjoyed being there. Same with the Christian missionaries who enacted genocide on the natives - there were priests and nuns in those Catholic schools who willfully abused (and even murdered) kids. \nGenuine psychopaths exist. They’re the minority, but they’re out there. The “banality of evil” problem is that the Nazis and the Catholic church set up entire systems that protected and enabled them.",
">\n\nThe torturers during the inquisition LOVED their work. They got points for doing Gods work and the further blessing of women to rape in ingenuous ways.",
">\n\nLet Croft and Fox rot for the next decade and a half. We’ll see how militant they are when they’re in their late 60s and have aged in the US prison system.",
">\n\nProbably…. More so?",
">\n\nMore so, but no one will go near them. A plot like that, they won't be able to walk past a laptop without the FBI knowing where they are after they're out. No one in their right mind would bring them back into their group.",
">\n\nImagine being so angry at being made to wear masks indoors, you plot to kill a government official, and will now spend the rest of your productive life behind bars ( he's 47 now). All because of having to wear a mask in Wal-Mart!",
">\n\nWhen you lose your freedoms because you don't understand your freedoms.",
">\n\nLoosing your freedoms because you stood up for your freedums…..",
">\n\nThis was a good one",
">\n\nNot really",
">\n\nYesterday the guy who was sentenced looked like a potato and this one looks like the kind of guy who would throw rocks at you for walking near his gold digging spot",
">\n\nGrew up in Michigan. Me: \"Shit, I think I know that guy...oh good, no, it's just his doppelganger.\" Both f-ing times.",
">\n\nSame. My first fear was that at least one of them would turn out to be a family member. Thankfully none... but many look awfully familiar.",
">\n\nProbably about time to take down the “My governor is an idiot” yard signs, Michiganders.",
">\n\nFinding out intensifies……",
">\n\n“(Defense attorney) Blanchard, who got emotional in the courtroom when speaking about Croft’s three children, told reporters outside the courthouse that the sentence means Croft will not get to see his kids grow up.”\nWell, when you try to kidnap and assassinate a governor because you don’t want to wear a mask or stay 6’ away from people because of a fucking pandemic, bad things end up happening to you. \n“Blanchard also maintained that Croft wasn’t the “ideas guy” he’s been portrayed as. He insisted that “most of what Mr. Croft said was excluded because the government didn’t want the jury to hear it.” “\nYeah, it’s not that the “government didn’t want the jury to hear it”. Court doesn’t work that way. The defense attorney didn’t get the testimony excluded. If Croft had a better attorney he might have gotten off, or a lighter sentence. \nThis Blanchard puke is as bad as the felons he represented. Crybaby failure all the way around…",
">\n\nHim not seeing his kids is probably the best thing for them. We don’t need more copies of him.",
">\n\nLooks like that \"the FBI are the ones who suggested it to us and egged us on\" defense didn't hold up.",
">\n\nBecause it was a lie.",
">\n\nNot on the \"gateway pundit,\" where they throw all kinds of insane, exaggerated reasons for ultra-maga crimes\nthat site is one of my favorite hate reads",
">\n\n\n“This man is fully radicalized. He hasn’t changed his viewpoint,” Kessler added. “He’s not admitting the ideas are wrong because he still holds them. This whole thing was Mr. Croft’s idea.”\n\n-\n\nA different jury in Grand Rapids couldn’t reach a verdict on the pair at the first trial last spring but acquitted two other men.\n\nMan, it sounds more and more like the first trial just had (at least) one Michigan Militia type who would have never convicted on any grounds at all.",
">\n\nI just find it hilarious that this group who claimed they were so aware of big government terror compared to us sheep. ..was infiltrated by a FBI informant rather easily lol.\nI'd say I'd wanna see the movie one day but it's probably just the FBI informant making a Facebook posting down with liberals and he was welcomed with open arms.\nEdit - I just realized that it seems I'm making light of the FBI informants job. I am not. I could not do that job and be looking over my shoulder basically not living my own life for months to years.",
">\n\nIt wasn't even an FBI agent, it was just some former military dude who joined their military gun drill club and heard their very detailed plot to execute cops and told his cop buddy about it. The cop buddy was like, fuck, that sounds real lemme ask the FBI what to do. The FBI told the guy, hey, can you, like, stay friends with them and just kinda let us know if they do anything really crazy like ask where to buy a bomb to blow up a bridge?\nAnd then they were like, shit, we need a bomb to blow up a bridge as a diversion. You were in the military, do you know anyone? And the dude was like, uh, yeah, let me ask my old buddy Fred Ben Iver.",
">\n\nThey need to do some of that kind of work to grab whoever is behind all of the power stations being hit.",
">\n\nIt is very likely it is completely separate groups. The white supremacist movement (which all this antigovernmental stuff right now is part of and/or grew out of), does everything they can to stay autonomous so that if one cell goes down there is no connection. They can spread their ideology and tactics by just putting them out there on certain forums and are never directly involved, yet have the freedom of speech cover.",
">\n\nIts probably going to be a rite of passage, like being jumped into a gang. Except it is also like having a Canadian girlfriend.\nIf you want domestic terrorist clout at the local watering hole you brag, \"You know that electrical substation that got taken out? Not saying I was directly involved, but not necessarily denying either.\"\nTo Law Enforcement you say, \"That's a lie. Ah gots rats!!\"\nSchrodinger's Terrorist.",
">\n\nHe looks like the kinda guy who’d try to buy bank robbery supplies from a pawn shop.",
">\n\nShort response: good. Longer response? Goooooooooooooooood.",
">\n\nTwo more 'o' and you'd have one for each year of his sentence.",
">\n\nAnother dumb fuck becomes a burden on taxpayers.",
">\n\nLet’s be honest: they were probably a burden to taxpayers beforehand.",
">\n\nYou know, kidnapping and killing US government officials isn't a good thing to do. Even if Trump says to do it.",
">\n\nYou got a weird way of spelling eventually.",
">\n\nWhat kind of country are we becoming where you cannot even kidnap your Governors? /sarcasm",
">\n\n19 years in prison essentially over not wanting to wear a mask.",
">\n\nMore like 19 years because you closed my bar for a few weeks and that’s unacceptable to redneck Michigan.",
">\n\nwell, if you still watch fox news you’re probably upset by this verdict. tucker carlson will agree with you and tell you why. but this is a reality check and you might want to take a step back and reevaluate your life before you end up storming the capital again or attacking a power grid",
">\n\nGood. Fuck them all.9",
">\n\nPrimeee definition of fuck around and find out…imagine wasting 19 years of your life because you thought you were smart enough to hatch a terror attack on a fucking online message board that had fbi agents on it 💀💀and that baddie STILL won releection. \nenjoy prison biatch, go big gretch. she seems like a pretty cool lady.",
">\n\n\nJudge Robert J. Jonker described him as “the idea guy” behind the plot\n...\nDelaware, man didn’t actually have authority over others and often frustrated them because he “just kept talking.”\n\nInteresting that 'talker' of the group is getting hemmed up. Reminds me of another bigly idea guy who agitated a group of people to do crimes.",
">\n\nMore of this, judicial system.",
">\n\nBbbbbut the FBI made me do it!",
">\n\nLong compared to what? We got people locked up twice as long for weed in this country.",
">\n\nStill not long enough",
">\n\nI agree, but at least he’ll be about 67 when he gets out, the last of the prime years of his life taken away from him.",
">\n\nAnd I imagine he won't be in a very secure place financially when he leaves prison. It's not like he's going to leave in 16 years and then retire on some vast fortune. He'll need to work to survive and who's going to hire an extremist that tried to murder a government official? He'll be lucky to get employed as \"janitor for the McDonald's in the really bad part of town.\" \nAnd while I'm sure he'll blame all his troubles on \"liberals/socialists/Democrats/non-whites/etc,\" the only person truly responsible for how his life ended up will be himself.",
">\n\nWell, there is always the option for these type of people to get a job at Fox or OAN…",
">\n\nI think you have to succeed in your crimes to be offered a prime-time slot on Fox. (or be guest of honor for the GOP)",
">\n\nWow, the \"find out\" stage really did him up the butt.",
">\n\nSometimes, you can judge a book by its cover…",
">\n\nHope he dies in prison. Fuck him.",
">\n\nIf the \"2A exists to protect us against tyranny\" argument was a person.",
">\n\nAnd \"tyranny\" to them means anything they don't personally agree with.",
">\n\n\nAnd \"tyranny\" to them means anything they don't personally agree with.\n\nOr someone reading books to children at a library in drag.",
">\n\nWhat is the obsession with reading sexulized stories to kids in drag? I mean lighten up?",
">\n\nWhy are the people who tried to kidnap a governor getting such harsher penalties than the people who broke into congress, assaulted police, tried to kill members of congress, and tried to overthrow the government?",
">\n\nHonestly, do you think these inbred dipshits still expect Trump to rescue them? Or have the learned that they were pawns in the biggest con in US history?",
">\n\nHe’s still their hero although the Trump 2024 flags are dwindling slowly."
] |
>
Those people are wealthy, so it's OK.
|
[
"At one point, Croft told allies: “I don’t like seeing anybody get killed either. But you don’t make an omelet without breaking a few eggs, you know what I mean?”\n\nI’ve never heard someone compassionate, full of empathy doing good for the world pull out that saying. It’s always someone trying to minimize some bullshit.",
">\n\nEvil is banal and mundane. As Hannah Arendt observes in her book Eichmann in Jerusalem, evil people like that use stock phrases and self-invented clichés, including ... you don’t make an omelet without breaking a few eggs ..., to justify their behaviour and lack of critical thinking. People delude themselves into believing they're genuinely good, righteous people.",
">\n\nYep, no one thinks \"muahaha, I am evil!\"",
">\n\nI mean, there’s some people that do. There was a certain subset of Nazis working in the prison camps who knew exactly what was going on, and genuinely enjoyed being there. Same with the Christian missionaries who enacted genocide on the natives - there were priests and nuns in those Catholic schools who willfully abused (and even murdered) kids. \nGenuine psychopaths exist. They’re the minority, but they’re out there. The “banality of evil” problem is that the Nazis and the Catholic church set up entire systems that protected and enabled them.",
">\n\nThe torturers during the inquisition LOVED their work. They got points for doing Gods work and the further blessing of women to rape in ingenuous ways.",
">\n\nLet Croft and Fox rot for the next decade and a half. We’ll see how militant they are when they’re in their late 60s and have aged in the US prison system.",
">\n\nProbably…. More so?",
">\n\nMore so, but no one will go near them. A plot like that, they won't be able to walk past a laptop without the FBI knowing where they are after they're out. No one in their right mind would bring them back into their group.",
">\n\nImagine being so angry at being made to wear masks indoors, you plot to kill a government official, and will now spend the rest of your productive life behind bars ( he's 47 now). All because of having to wear a mask in Wal-Mart!",
">\n\nWhen you lose your freedoms because you don't understand your freedoms.",
">\n\nLoosing your freedoms because you stood up for your freedums…..",
">\n\nThis was a good one",
">\n\nNot really",
">\n\nYesterday the guy who was sentenced looked like a potato and this one looks like the kind of guy who would throw rocks at you for walking near his gold digging spot",
">\n\nGrew up in Michigan. Me: \"Shit, I think I know that guy...oh good, no, it's just his doppelganger.\" Both f-ing times.",
">\n\nSame. My first fear was that at least one of them would turn out to be a family member. Thankfully none... but many look awfully familiar.",
">\n\nProbably about time to take down the “My governor is an idiot” yard signs, Michiganders.",
">\n\nFinding out intensifies……",
">\n\n“(Defense attorney) Blanchard, who got emotional in the courtroom when speaking about Croft’s three children, told reporters outside the courthouse that the sentence means Croft will not get to see his kids grow up.”\nWell, when you try to kidnap and assassinate a governor because you don’t want to wear a mask or stay 6’ away from people because of a fucking pandemic, bad things end up happening to you. \n“Blanchard also maintained that Croft wasn’t the “ideas guy” he’s been portrayed as. He insisted that “most of what Mr. Croft said was excluded because the government didn’t want the jury to hear it.” “\nYeah, it’s not that the “government didn’t want the jury to hear it”. Court doesn’t work that way. The defense attorney didn’t get the testimony excluded. If Croft had a better attorney he might have gotten off, or a lighter sentence. \nThis Blanchard puke is as bad as the felons he represented. Crybaby failure all the way around…",
">\n\nHim not seeing his kids is probably the best thing for them. We don’t need more copies of him.",
">\n\nLooks like that \"the FBI are the ones who suggested it to us and egged us on\" defense didn't hold up.",
">\n\nBecause it was a lie.",
">\n\nNot on the \"gateway pundit,\" where they throw all kinds of insane, exaggerated reasons for ultra-maga crimes\nthat site is one of my favorite hate reads",
">\n\n\n“This man is fully radicalized. He hasn’t changed his viewpoint,” Kessler added. “He’s not admitting the ideas are wrong because he still holds them. This whole thing was Mr. Croft’s idea.”\n\n-\n\nA different jury in Grand Rapids couldn’t reach a verdict on the pair at the first trial last spring but acquitted two other men.\n\nMan, it sounds more and more like the first trial just had (at least) one Michigan Militia type who would have never convicted on any grounds at all.",
">\n\nI just find it hilarious that this group who claimed they were so aware of big government terror compared to us sheep. ..was infiltrated by a FBI informant rather easily lol.\nI'd say I'd wanna see the movie one day but it's probably just the FBI informant making a Facebook posting down with liberals and he was welcomed with open arms.\nEdit - I just realized that it seems I'm making light of the FBI informants job. I am not. I could not do that job and be looking over my shoulder basically not living my own life for months to years.",
">\n\nIt wasn't even an FBI agent, it was just some former military dude who joined their military gun drill club and heard their very detailed plot to execute cops and told his cop buddy about it. The cop buddy was like, fuck, that sounds real lemme ask the FBI what to do. The FBI told the guy, hey, can you, like, stay friends with them and just kinda let us know if they do anything really crazy like ask where to buy a bomb to blow up a bridge?\nAnd then they were like, shit, we need a bomb to blow up a bridge as a diversion. You were in the military, do you know anyone? And the dude was like, uh, yeah, let me ask my old buddy Fred Ben Iver.",
">\n\nThey need to do some of that kind of work to grab whoever is behind all of the power stations being hit.",
">\n\nIt is very likely it is completely separate groups. The white supremacist movement (which all this antigovernmental stuff right now is part of and/or grew out of), does everything they can to stay autonomous so that if one cell goes down there is no connection. They can spread their ideology and tactics by just putting them out there on certain forums and are never directly involved, yet have the freedom of speech cover.",
">\n\nIts probably going to be a rite of passage, like being jumped into a gang. Except it is also like having a Canadian girlfriend.\nIf you want domestic terrorist clout at the local watering hole you brag, \"You know that electrical substation that got taken out? Not saying I was directly involved, but not necessarily denying either.\"\nTo Law Enforcement you say, \"That's a lie. Ah gots rats!!\"\nSchrodinger's Terrorist.",
">\n\nHe looks like the kinda guy who’d try to buy bank robbery supplies from a pawn shop.",
">\n\nShort response: good. Longer response? Goooooooooooooooood.",
">\n\nTwo more 'o' and you'd have one for each year of his sentence.",
">\n\nAnother dumb fuck becomes a burden on taxpayers.",
">\n\nLet’s be honest: they were probably a burden to taxpayers beforehand.",
">\n\nYou know, kidnapping and killing US government officials isn't a good thing to do. Even if Trump says to do it.",
">\n\nYou got a weird way of spelling eventually.",
">\n\nWhat kind of country are we becoming where you cannot even kidnap your Governors? /sarcasm",
">\n\n19 years in prison essentially over not wanting to wear a mask.",
">\n\nMore like 19 years because you closed my bar for a few weeks and that’s unacceptable to redneck Michigan.",
">\n\nwell, if you still watch fox news you’re probably upset by this verdict. tucker carlson will agree with you and tell you why. but this is a reality check and you might want to take a step back and reevaluate your life before you end up storming the capital again or attacking a power grid",
">\n\nGood. Fuck them all.9",
">\n\nPrimeee definition of fuck around and find out…imagine wasting 19 years of your life because you thought you were smart enough to hatch a terror attack on a fucking online message board that had fbi agents on it 💀💀and that baddie STILL won releection. \nenjoy prison biatch, go big gretch. she seems like a pretty cool lady.",
">\n\n\nJudge Robert J. Jonker described him as “the idea guy” behind the plot\n...\nDelaware, man didn’t actually have authority over others and often frustrated them because he “just kept talking.”\n\nInteresting that 'talker' of the group is getting hemmed up. Reminds me of another bigly idea guy who agitated a group of people to do crimes.",
">\n\nMore of this, judicial system.",
">\n\nBbbbbut the FBI made me do it!",
">\n\nLong compared to what? We got people locked up twice as long for weed in this country.",
">\n\nStill not long enough",
">\n\nI agree, but at least he’ll be about 67 when he gets out, the last of the prime years of his life taken away from him.",
">\n\nAnd I imagine he won't be in a very secure place financially when he leaves prison. It's not like he's going to leave in 16 years and then retire on some vast fortune. He'll need to work to survive and who's going to hire an extremist that tried to murder a government official? He'll be lucky to get employed as \"janitor for the McDonald's in the really bad part of town.\" \nAnd while I'm sure he'll blame all his troubles on \"liberals/socialists/Democrats/non-whites/etc,\" the only person truly responsible for how his life ended up will be himself.",
">\n\nWell, there is always the option for these type of people to get a job at Fox or OAN…",
">\n\nI think you have to succeed in your crimes to be offered a prime-time slot on Fox. (or be guest of honor for the GOP)",
">\n\nWow, the \"find out\" stage really did him up the butt.",
">\n\nSometimes, you can judge a book by its cover…",
">\n\nHope he dies in prison. Fuck him.",
">\n\nIf the \"2A exists to protect us against tyranny\" argument was a person.",
">\n\nAnd \"tyranny\" to them means anything they don't personally agree with.",
">\n\n\nAnd \"tyranny\" to them means anything they don't personally agree with.\n\nOr someone reading books to children at a library in drag.",
">\n\nWhat is the obsession with reading sexulized stories to kids in drag? I mean lighten up?",
">\n\nWhy are the people who tried to kidnap a governor getting such harsher penalties than the people who broke into congress, assaulted police, tried to kill members of congress, and tried to overthrow the government?",
">\n\nHonestly, do you think these inbred dipshits still expect Trump to rescue them? Or have the learned that they were pawns in the biggest con in US history?",
">\n\nHe’s still their hero although the Trump 2024 flags are dwindling slowly.",
">\n\nWhat about the people who radicalized them?"
] |
>
Interesting that these boneheads are getting significant time while many from Jan6 have not.
|
[
"At one point, Croft told allies: “I don’t like seeing anybody get killed either. But you don’t make an omelet without breaking a few eggs, you know what I mean?”\n\nI’ve never heard someone compassionate, full of empathy doing good for the world pull out that saying. It’s always someone trying to minimize some bullshit.",
">\n\nEvil is banal and mundane. As Hannah Arendt observes in her book Eichmann in Jerusalem, evil people like that use stock phrases and self-invented clichés, including ... you don’t make an omelet without breaking a few eggs ..., to justify their behaviour and lack of critical thinking. People delude themselves into believing they're genuinely good, righteous people.",
">\n\nYep, no one thinks \"muahaha, I am evil!\"",
">\n\nI mean, there’s some people that do. There was a certain subset of Nazis working in the prison camps who knew exactly what was going on, and genuinely enjoyed being there. Same with the Christian missionaries who enacted genocide on the natives - there were priests and nuns in those Catholic schools who willfully abused (and even murdered) kids. \nGenuine psychopaths exist. They’re the minority, but they’re out there. The “banality of evil” problem is that the Nazis and the Catholic church set up entire systems that protected and enabled them.",
">\n\nThe torturers during the inquisition LOVED their work. They got points for doing Gods work and the further blessing of women to rape in ingenuous ways.",
">\n\nLet Croft and Fox rot for the next decade and a half. We’ll see how militant they are when they’re in their late 60s and have aged in the US prison system.",
">\n\nProbably…. More so?",
">\n\nMore so, but no one will go near them. A plot like that, they won't be able to walk past a laptop without the FBI knowing where they are after they're out. No one in their right mind would bring them back into their group.",
">\n\nImagine being so angry at being made to wear masks indoors, you plot to kill a government official, and will now spend the rest of your productive life behind bars ( he's 47 now). All because of having to wear a mask in Wal-Mart!",
">\n\nWhen you lose your freedoms because you don't understand your freedoms.",
">\n\nLoosing your freedoms because you stood up for your freedums…..",
">\n\nThis was a good one",
">\n\nNot really",
">\n\nYesterday the guy who was sentenced looked like a potato and this one looks like the kind of guy who would throw rocks at you for walking near his gold digging spot",
">\n\nGrew up in Michigan. Me: \"Shit, I think I know that guy...oh good, no, it's just his doppelganger.\" Both f-ing times.",
">\n\nSame. My first fear was that at least one of them would turn out to be a family member. Thankfully none... but many look awfully familiar.",
">\n\nProbably about time to take down the “My governor is an idiot” yard signs, Michiganders.",
">\n\nFinding out intensifies……",
">\n\n“(Defense attorney) Blanchard, who got emotional in the courtroom when speaking about Croft’s three children, told reporters outside the courthouse that the sentence means Croft will not get to see his kids grow up.”\nWell, when you try to kidnap and assassinate a governor because you don’t want to wear a mask or stay 6’ away from people because of a fucking pandemic, bad things end up happening to you. \n“Blanchard also maintained that Croft wasn’t the “ideas guy” he’s been portrayed as. He insisted that “most of what Mr. Croft said was excluded because the government didn’t want the jury to hear it.” “\nYeah, it’s not that the “government didn’t want the jury to hear it”. Court doesn’t work that way. The defense attorney didn’t get the testimony excluded. If Croft had a better attorney he might have gotten off, or a lighter sentence. \nThis Blanchard puke is as bad as the felons he represented. Crybaby failure all the way around…",
">\n\nHim not seeing his kids is probably the best thing for them. We don’t need more copies of him.",
">\n\nLooks like that \"the FBI are the ones who suggested it to us and egged us on\" defense didn't hold up.",
">\n\nBecause it was a lie.",
">\n\nNot on the \"gateway pundit,\" where they throw all kinds of insane, exaggerated reasons for ultra-maga crimes\nthat site is one of my favorite hate reads",
">\n\n\n“This man is fully radicalized. He hasn’t changed his viewpoint,” Kessler added. “He’s not admitting the ideas are wrong because he still holds them. This whole thing was Mr. Croft’s idea.”\n\n-\n\nA different jury in Grand Rapids couldn’t reach a verdict on the pair at the first trial last spring but acquitted two other men.\n\nMan, it sounds more and more like the first trial just had (at least) one Michigan Militia type who would have never convicted on any grounds at all.",
">\n\nI just find it hilarious that this group who claimed they were so aware of big government terror compared to us sheep. ..was infiltrated by a FBI informant rather easily lol.\nI'd say I'd wanna see the movie one day but it's probably just the FBI informant making a Facebook posting down with liberals and he was welcomed with open arms.\nEdit - I just realized that it seems I'm making light of the FBI informants job. I am not. I could not do that job and be looking over my shoulder basically not living my own life for months to years.",
">\n\nIt wasn't even an FBI agent, it was just some former military dude who joined their military gun drill club and heard their very detailed plot to execute cops and told his cop buddy about it. The cop buddy was like, fuck, that sounds real lemme ask the FBI what to do. The FBI told the guy, hey, can you, like, stay friends with them and just kinda let us know if they do anything really crazy like ask where to buy a bomb to blow up a bridge?\nAnd then they were like, shit, we need a bomb to blow up a bridge as a diversion. You were in the military, do you know anyone? And the dude was like, uh, yeah, let me ask my old buddy Fred Ben Iver.",
">\n\nThey need to do some of that kind of work to grab whoever is behind all of the power stations being hit.",
">\n\nIt is very likely it is completely separate groups. The white supremacist movement (which all this antigovernmental stuff right now is part of and/or grew out of), does everything they can to stay autonomous so that if one cell goes down there is no connection. They can spread their ideology and tactics by just putting them out there on certain forums and are never directly involved, yet have the freedom of speech cover.",
">\n\nIts probably going to be a rite of passage, like being jumped into a gang. Except it is also like having a Canadian girlfriend.\nIf you want domestic terrorist clout at the local watering hole you brag, \"You know that electrical substation that got taken out? Not saying I was directly involved, but not necessarily denying either.\"\nTo Law Enforcement you say, \"That's a lie. Ah gots rats!!\"\nSchrodinger's Terrorist.",
">\n\nHe looks like the kinda guy who’d try to buy bank robbery supplies from a pawn shop.",
">\n\nShort response: good. Longer response? Goooooooooooooooood.",
">\n\nTwo more 'o' and you'd have one for each year of his sentence.",
">\n\nAnother dumb fuck becomes a burden on taxpayers.",
">\n\nLet’s be honest: they were probably a burden to taxpayers beforehand.",
">\n\nYou know, kidnapping and killing US government officials isn't a good thing to do. Even if Trump says to do it.",
">\n\nYou got a weird way of spelling eventually.",
">\n\nWhat kind of country are we becoming where you cannot even kidnap your Governors? /sarcasm",
">\n\n19 years in prison essentially over not wanting to wear a mask.",
">\n\nMore like 19 years because you closed my bar for a few weeks and that’s unacceptable to redneck Michigan.",
">\n\nwell, if you still watch fox news you’re probably upset by this verdict. tucker carlson will agree with you and tell you why. but this is a reality check and you might want to take a step back and reevaluate your life before you end up storming the capital again or attacking a power grid",
">\n\nGood. Fuck them all.9",
">\n\nPrimeee definition of fuck around and find out…imagine wasting 19 years of your life because you thought you were smart enough to hatch a terror attack on a fucking online message board that had fbi agents on it 💀💀and that baddie STILL won releection. \nenjoy prison biatch, go big gretch. she seems like a pretty cool lady.",
">\n\n\nJudge Robert J. Jonker described him as “the idea guy” behind the plot\n...\nDelaware, man didn’t actually have authority over others and often frustrated them because he “just kept talking.”\n\nInteresting that 'talker' of the group is getting hemmed up. Reminds me of another bigly idea guy who agitated a group of people to do crimes.",
">\n\nMore of this, judicial system.",
">\n\nBbbbbut the FBI made me do it!",
">\n\nLong compared to what? We got people locked up twice as long for weed in this country.",
">\n\nStill not long enough",
">\n\nI agree, but at least he’ll be about 67 when he gets out, the last of the prime years of his life taken away from him.",
">\n\nAnd I imagine he won't be in a very secure place financially when he leaves prison. It's not like he's going to leave in 16 years and then retire on some vast fortune. He'll need to work to survive and who's going to hire an extremist that tried to murder a government official? He'll be lucky to get employed as \"janitor for the McDonald's in the really bad part of town.\" \nAnd while I'm sure he'll blame all his troubles on \"liberals/socialists/Democrats/non-whites/etc,\" the only person truly responsible for how his life ended up will be himself.",
">\n\nWell, there is always the option for these type of people to get a job at Fox or OAN…",
">\n\nI think you have to succeed in your crimes to be offered a prime-time slot on Fox. (or be guest of honor for the GOP)",
">\n\nWow, the \"find out\" stage really did him up the butt.",
">\n\nSometimes, you can judge a book by its cover…",
">\n\nHope he dies in prison. Fuck him.",
">\n\nIf the \"2A exists to protect us against tyranny\" argument was a person.",
">\n\nAnd \"tyranny\" to them means anything they don't personally agree with.",
">\n\n\nAnd \"tyranny\" to them means anything they don't personally agree with.\n\nOr someone reading books to children at a library in drag.",
">\n\nWhat is the obsession with reading sexulized stories to kids in drag? I mean lighten up?",
">\n\nWhy are the people who tried to kidnap a governor getting such harsher penalties than the people who broke into congress, assaulted police, tried to kill members of congress, and tried to overthrow the government?",
">\n\nHonestly, do you think these inbred dipshits still expect Trump to rescue them? Or have the learned that they were pawns in the biggest con in US history?",
">\n\nHe’s still their hero although the Trump 2024 flags are dwindling slowly.",
">\n\nWhat about the people who radicalized them?",
">\n\nThose people are wealthy, so it's OK."
] |
>
Most of the Jan 6th defendants so far have been the random goobers who just got caught up with the mob. Just like the schmucks in this case got a few years, while the ringleaders are getting the longer sentences.
The DoJ was taking its time with the cases against the bigger fish as far as Jan 6th goes, because those charges are harder to make stick. The guys facing charges like seditious conspiracy are looking at 60+ years.
|
[
"At one point, Croft told allies: “I don’t like seeing anybody get killed either. But you don’t make an omelet without breaking a few eggs, you know what I mean?”\n\nI’ve never heard someone compassionate, full of empathy doing good for the world pull out that saying. It’s always someone trying to minimize some bullshit.",
">\n\nEvil is banal and mundane. As Hannah Arendt observes in her book Eichmann in Jerusalem, evil people like that use stock phrases and self-invented clichés, including ... you don’t make an omelet without breaking a few eggs ..., to justify their behaviour and lack of critical thinking. People delude themselves into believing they're genuinely good, righteous people.",
">\n\nYep, no one thinks \"muahaha, I am evil!\"",
">\n\nI mean, there’s some people that do. There was a certain subset of Nazis working in the prison camps who knew exactly what was going on, and genuinely enjoyed being there. Same with the Christian missionaries who enacted genocide on the natives - there were priests and nuns in those Catholic schools who willfully abused (and even murdered) kids. \nGenuine psychopaths exist. They’re the minority, but they’re out there. The “banality of evil” problem is that the Nazis and the Catholic church set up entire systems that protected and enabled them.",
">\n\nThe torturers during the inquisition LOVED their work. They got points for doing Gods work and the further blessing of women to rape in ingenuous ways.",
">\n\nLet Croft and Fox rot for the next decade and a half. We’ll see how militant they are when they’re in their late 60s and have aged in the US prison system.",
">\n\nProbably…. More so?",
">\n\nMore so, but no one will go near them. A plot like that, they won't be able to walk past a laptop without the FBI knowing where they are after they're out. No one in their right mind would bring them back into their group.",
">\n\nImagine being so angry at being made to wear masks indoors, you plot to kill a government official, and will now spend the rest of your productive life behind bars ( he's 47 now). All because of having to wear a mask in Wal-Mart!",
">\n\nWhen you lose your freedoms because you don't understand your freedoms.",
">\n\nLoosing your freedoms because you stood up for your freedums…..",
">\n\nThis was a good one",
">\n\nNot really",
">\n\nYesterday the guy who was sentenced looked like a potato and this one looks like the kind of guy who would throw rocks at you for walking near his gold digging spot",
">\n\nGrew up in Michigan. Me: \"Shit, I think I know that guy...oh good, no, it's just his doppelganger.\" Both f-ing times.",
">\n\nSame. My first fear was that at least one of them would turn out to be a family member. Thankfully none... but many look awfully familiar.",
">\n\nProbably about time to take down the “My governor is an idiot” yard signs, Michiganders.",
">\n\nFinding out intensifies……",
">\n\n“(Defense attorney) Blanchard, who got emotional in the courtroom when speaking about Croft’s three children, told reporters outside the courthouse that the sentence means Croft will not get to see his kids grow up.”\nWell, when you try to kidnap and assassinate a governor because you don’t want to wear a mask or stay 6’ away from people because of a fucking pandemic, bad things end up happening to you. \n“Blanchard also maintained that Croft wasn’t the “ideas guy” he’s been portrayed as. He insisted that “most of what Mr. Croft said was excluded because the government didn’t want the jury to hear it.” “\nYeah, it’s not that the “government didn’t want the jury to hear it”. Court doesn’t work that way. The defense attorney didn’t get the testimony excluded. If Croft had a better attorney he might have gotten off, or a lighter sentence. \nThis Blanchard puke is as bad as the felons he represented. Crybaby failure all the way around…",
">\n\nHim not seeing his kids is probably the best thing for them. We don’t need more copies of him.",
">\n\nLooks like that \"the FBI are the ones who suggested it to us and egged us on\" defense didn't hold up.",
">\n\nBecause it was a lie.",
">\n\nNot on the \"gateway pundit,\" where they throw all kinds of insane, exaggerated reasons for ultra-maga crimes\nthat site is one of my favorite hate reads",
">\n\n\n“This man is fully radicalized. He hasn’t changed his viewpoint,” Kessler added. “He’s not admitting the ideas are wrong because he still holds them. This whole thing was Mr. Croft’s idea.”\n\n-\n\nA different jury in Grand Rapids couldn’t reach a verdict on the pair at the first trial last spring but acquitted two other men.\n\nMan, it sounds more and more like the first trial just had (at least) one Michigan Militia type who would have never convicted on any grounds at all.",
">\n\nI just find it hilarious that this group who claimed they were so aware of big government terror compared to us sheep. ..was infiltrated by a FBI informant rather easily lol.\nI'd say I'd wanna see the movie one day but it's probably just the FBI informant making a Facebook posting down with liberals and he was welcomed with open arms.\nEdit - I just realized that it seems I'm making light of the FBI informants job. I am not. I could not do that job and be looking over my shoulder basically not living my own life for months to years.",
">\n\nIt wasn't even an FBI agent, it was just some former military dude who joined their military gun drill club and heard their very detailed plot to execute cops and told his cop buddy about it. The cop buddy was like, fuck, that sounds real lemme ask the FBI what to do. The FBI told the guy, hey, can you, like, stay friends with them and just kinda let us know if they do anything really crazy like ask where to buy a bomb to blow up a bridge?\nAnd then they were like, shit, we need a bomb to blow up a bridge as a diversion. You were in the military, do you know anyone? And the dude was like, uh, yeah, let me ask my old buddy Fred Ben Iver.",
">\n\nThey need to do some of that kind of work to grab whoever is behind all of the power stations being hit.",
">\n\nIt is very likely it is completely separate groups. The white supremacist movement (which all this antigovernmental stuff right now is part of and/or grew out of), does everything they can to stay autonomous so that if one cell goes down there is no connection. They can spread their ideology and tactics by just putting them out there on certain forums and are never directly involved, yet have the freedom of speech cover.",
">\n\nIts probably going to be a rite of passage, like being jumped into a gang. Except it is also like having a Canadian girlfriend.\nIf you want domestic terrorist clout at the local watering hole you brag, \"You know that electrical substation that got taken out? Not saying I was directly involved, but not necessarily denying either.\"\nTo Law Enforcement you say, \"That's a lie. Ah gots rats!!\"\nSchrodinger's Terrorist.",
">\n\nHe looks like the kinda guy who’d try to buy bank robbery supplies from a pawn shop.",
">\n\nShort response: good. Longer response? Goooooooooooooooood.",
">\n\nTwo more 'o' and you'd have one for each year of his sentence.",
">\n\nAnother dumb fuck becomes a burden on taxpayers.",
">\n\nLet’s be honest: they were probably a burden to taxpayers beforehand.",
">\n\nYou know, kidnapping and killing US government officials isn't a good thing to do. Even if Trump says to do it.",
">\n\nYou got a weird way of spelling eventually.",
">\n\nWhat kind of country are we becoming where you cannot even kidnap your Governors? /sarcasm",
">\n\n19 years in prison essentially over not wanting to wear a mask.",
">\n\nMore like 19 years because you closed my bar for a few weeks and that’s unacceptable to redneck Michigan.",
">\n\nwell, if you still watch fox news you’re probably upset by this verdict. tucker carlson will agree with you and tell you why. but this is a reality check and you might want to take a step back and reevaluate your life before you end up storming the capital again or attacking a power grid",
">\n\nGood. Fuck them all.9",
">\n\nPrimeee definition of fuck around and find out…imagine wasting 19 years of your life because you thought you were smart enough to hatch a terror attack on a fucking online message board that had fbi agents on it 💀💀and that baddie STILL won releection. \nenjoy prison biatch, go big gretch. she seems like a pretty cool lady.",
">\n\n\nJudge Robert J. Jonker described him as “the idea guy” behind the plot\n...\nDelaware, man didn’t actually have authority over others and often frustrated them because he “just kept talking.”\n\nInteresting that 'talker' of the group is getting hemmed up. Reminds me of another bigly idea guy who agitated a group of people to do crimes.",
">\n\nMore of this, judicial system.",
">\n\nBbbbbut the FBI made me do it!",
">\n\nLong compared to what? We got people locked up twice as long for weed in this country.",
">\n\nStill not long enough",
">\n\nI agree, but at least he’ll be about 67 when he gets out, the last of the prime years of his life taken away from him.",
">\n\nAnd I imagine he won't be in a very secure place financially when he leaves prison. It's not like he's going to leave in 16 years and then retire on some vast fortune. He'll need to work to survive and who's going to hire an extremist that tried to murder a government official? He'll be lucky to get employed as \"janitor for the McDonald's in the really bad part of town.\" \nAnd while I'm sure he'll blame all his troubles on \"liberals/socialists/Democrats/non-whites/etc,\" the only person truly responsible for how his life ended up will be himself.",
">\n\nWell, there is always the option for these type of people to get a job at Fox or OAN…",
">\n\nI think you have to succeed in your crimes to be offered a prime-time slot on Fox. (or be guest of honor for the GOP)",
">\n\nWow, the \"find out\" stage really did him up the butt.",
">\n\nSometimes, you can judge a book by its cover…",
">\n\nHope he dies in prison. Fuck him.",
">\n\nIf the \"2A exists to protect us against tyranny\" argument was a person.",
">\n\nAnd \"tyranny\" to them means anything they don't personally agree with.",
">\n\n\nAnd \"tyranny\" to them means anything they don't personally agree with.\n\nOr someone reading books to children at a library in drag.",
">\n\nWhat is the obsession with reading sexulized stories to kids in drag? I mean lighten up?",
">\n\nWhy are the people who tried to kidnap a governor getting such harsher penalties than the people who broke into congress, assaulted police, tried to kill members of congress, and tried to overthrow the government?",
">\n\nHonestly, do you think these inbred dipshits still expect Trump to rescue them? Or have the learned that they were pawns in the biggest con in US history?",
">\n\nHe’s still their hero although the Trump 2024 flags are dwindling slowly.",
">\n\nWhat about the people who radicalized them?",
">\n\nThose people are wealthy, so it's OK.",
">\n\nInteresting that these boneheads are getting significant time while many from Jan6 have not."
] |
>
He looks like one of those men you’d see in an 1800’s photo in the background on some field next to a moonshine still.
|
[
"At one point, Croft told allies: “I don’t like seeing anybody get killed either. But you don’t make an omelet without breaking a few eggs, you know what I mean?”\n\nI’ve never heard someone compassionate, full of empathy doing good for the world pull out that saying. It’s always someone trying to minimize some bullshit.",
">\n\nEvil is banal and mundane. As Hannah Arendt observes in her book Eichmann in Jerusalem, evil people like that use stock phrases and self-invented clichés, including ... you don’t make an omelet without breaking a few eggs ..., to justify their behaviour and lack of critical thinking. People delude themselves into believing they're genuinely good, righteous people.",
">\n\nYep, no one thinks \"muahaha, I am evil!\"",
">\n\nI mean, there’s some people that do. There was a certain subset of Nazis working in the prison camps who knew exactly what was going on, and genuinely enjoyed being there. Same with the Christian missionaries who enacted genocide on the natives - there were priests and nuns in those Catholic schools who willfully abused (and even murdered) kids. \nGenuine psychopaths exist. They’re the minority, but they’re out there. The “banality of evil” problem is that the Nazis and the Catholic church set up entire systems that protected and enabled them.",
">\n\nThe torturers during the inquisition LOVED their work. They got points for doing Gods work and the further blessing of women to rape in ingenuous ways.",
">\n\nLet Croft and Fox rot for the next decade and a half. We’ll see how militant they are when they’re in their late 60s and have aged in the US prison system.",
">\n\nProbably…. More so?",
">\n\nMore so, but no one will go near them. A plot like that, they won't be able to walk past a laptop without the FBI knowing where they are after they're out. No one in their right mind would bring them back into their group.",
">\n\nImagine being so angry at being made to wear masks indoors, you plot to kill a government official, and will now spend the rest of your productive life behind bars ( he's 47 now). All because of having to wear a mask in Wal-Mart!",
">\n\nWhen you lose your freedoms because you don't understand your freedoms.",
">\n\nLoosing your freedoms because you stood up for your freedums…..",
">\n\nThis was a good one",
">\n\nNot really",
">\n\nYesterday the guy who was sentenced looked like a potato and this one looks like the kind of guy who would throw rocks at you for walking near his gold digging spot",
">\n\nGrew up in Michigan. Me: \"Shit, I think I know that guy...oh good, no, it's just his doppelganger.\" Both f-ing times.",
">\n\nSame. My first fear was that at least one of them would turn out to be a family member. Thankfully none... but many look awfully familiar.",
">\n\nProbably about time to take down the “My governor is an idiot” yard signs, Michiganders.",
">\n\nFinding out intensifies……",
">\n\n“(Defense attorney) Blanchard, who got emotional in the courtroom when speaking about Croft’s three children, told reporters outside the courthouse that the sentence means Croft will not get to see his kids grow up.”\nWell, when you try to kidnap and assassinate a governor because you don’t want to wear a mask or stay 6’ away from people because of a fucking pandemic, bad things end up happening to you. \n“Blanchard also maintained that Croft wasn’t the “ideas guy” he’s been portrayed as. He insisted that “most of what Mr. Croft said was excluded because the government didn’t want the jury to hear it.” “\nYeah, it’s not that the “government didn’t want the jury to hear it”. Court doesn’t work that way. The defense attorney didn’t get the testimony excluded. If Croft had a better attorney he might have gotten off, or a lighter sentence. \nThis Blanchard puke is as bad as the felons he represented. Crybaby failure all the way around…",
">\n\nHim not seeing his kids is probably the best thing for them. We don’t need more copies of him.",
">\n\nLooks like that \"the FBI are the ones who suggested it to us and egged us on\" defense didn't hold up.",
">\n\nBecause it was a lie.",
">\n\nNot on the \"gateway pundit,\" where they throw all kinds of insane, exaggerated reasons for ultra-maga crimes\nthat site is one of my favorite hate reads",
">\n\n\n“This man is fully radicalized. He hasn’t changed his viewpoint,” Kessler added. “He’s not admitting the ideas are wrong because he still holds them. This whole thing was Mr. Croft’s idea.”\n\n-\n\nA different jury in Grand Rapids couldn’t reach a verdict on the pair at the first trial last spring but acquitted two other men.\n\nMan, it sounds more and more like the first trial just had (at least) one Michigan Militia type who would have never convicted on any grounds at all.",
">\n\nI just find it hilarious that this group who claimed they were so aware of big government terror compared to us sheep. ..was infiltrated by a FBI informant rather easily lol.\nI'd say I'd wanna see the movie one day but it's probably just the FBI informant making a Facebook posting down with liberals and he was welcomed with open arms.\nEdit - I just realized that it seems I'm making light of the FBI informants job. I am not. I could not do that job and be looking over my shoulder basically not living my own life for months to years.",
">\n\nIt wasn't even an FBI agent, it was just some former military dude who joined their military gun drill club and heard their very detailed plot to execute cops and told his cop buddy about it. The cop buddy was like, fuck, that sounds real lemme ask the FBI what to do. The FBI told the guy, hey, can you, like, stay friends with them and just kinda let us know if they do anything really crazy like ask where to buy a bomb to blow up a bridge?\nAnd then they were like, shit, we need a bomb to blow up a bridge as a diversion. You were in the military, do you know anyone? And the dude was like, uh, yeah, let me ask my old buddy Fred Ben Iver.",
">\n\nThey need to do some of that kind of work to grab whoever is behind all of the power stations being hit.",
">\n\nIt is very likely it is completely separate groups. The white supremacist movement (which all this antigovernmental stuff right now is part of and/or grew out of), does everything they can to stay autonomous so that if one cell goes down there is no connection. They can spread their ideology and tactics by just putting them out there on certain forums and are never directly involved, yet have the freedom of speech cover.",
">\n\nIts probably going to be a rite of passage, like being jumped into a gang. Except it is also like having a Canadian girlfriend.\nIf you want domestic terrorist clout at the local watering hole you brag, \"You know that electrical substation that got taken out? Not saying I was directly involved, but not necessarily denying either.\"\nTo Law Enforcement you say, \"That's a lie. Ah gots rats!!\"\nSchrodinger's Terrorist.",
">\n\nHe looks like the kinda guy who’d try to buy bank robbery supplies from a pawn shop.",
">\n\nShort response: good. Longer response? Goooooooooooooooood.",
">\n\nTwo more 'o' and you'd have one for each year of his sentence.",
">\n\nAnother dumb fuck becomes a burden on taxpayers.",
">\n\nLet’s be honest: they were probably a burden to taxpayers beforehand.",
">\n\nYou know, kidnapping and killing US government officials isn't a good thing to do. Even if Trump says to do it.",
">\n\nYou got a weird way of spelling eventually.",
">\n\nWhat kind of country are we becoming where you cannot even kidnap your Governors? /sarcasm",
">\n\n19 years in prison essentially over not wanting to wear a mask.",
">\n\nMore like 19 years because you closed my bar for a few weeks and that’s unacceptable to redneck Michigan.",
">\n\nwell, if you still watch fox news you’re probably upset by this verdict. tucker carlson will agree with you and tell you why. but this is a reality check and you might want to take a step back and reevaluate your life before you end up storming the capital again or attacking a power grid",
">\n\nGood. Fuck them all.9",
">\n\nPrimeee definition of fuck around and find out…imagine wasting 19 years of your life because you thought you were smart enough to hatch a terror attack on a fucking online message board that had fbi agents on it 💀💀and that baddie STILL won releection. \nenjoy prison biatch, go big gretch. she seems like a pretty cool lady.",
">\n\n\nJudge Robert J. Jonker described him as “the idea guy” behind the plot\n...\nDelaware, man didn’t actually have authority over others and often frustrated them because he “just kept talking.”\n\nInteresting that 'talker' of the group is getting hemmed up. Reminds me of another bigly idea guy who agitated a group of people to do crimes.",
">\n\nMore of this, judicial system.",
">\n\nBbbbbut the FBI made me do it!",
">\n\nLong compared to what? We got people locked up twice as long for weed in this country.",
">\n\nStill not long enough",
">\n\nI agree, but at least he’ll be about 67 when he gets out, the last of the prime years of his life taken away from him.",
">\n\nAnd I imagine he won't be in a very secure place financially when he leaves prison. It's not like he's going to leave in 16 years and then retire on some vast fortune. He'll need to work to survive and who's going to hire an extremist that tried to murder a government official? He'll be lucky to get employed as \"janitor for the McDonald's in the really bad part of town.\" \nAnd while I'm sure he'll blame all his troubles on \"liberals/socialists/Democrats/non-whites/etc,\" the only person truly responsible for how his life ended up will be himself.",
">\n\nWell, there is always the option for these type of people to get a job at Fox or OAN…",
">\n\nI think you have to succeed in your crimes to be offered a prime-time slot on Fox. (or be guest of honor for the GOP)",
">\n\nWow, the \"find out\" stage really did him up the butt.",
">\n\nSometimes, you can judge a book by its cover…",
">\n\nHope he dies in prison. Fuck him.",
">\n\nIf the \"2A exists to protect us against tyranny\" argument was a person.",
">\n\nAnd \"tyranny\" to them means anything they don't personally agree with.",
">\n\n\nAnd \"tyranny\" to them means anything they don't personally agree with.\n\nOr someone reading books to children at a library in drag.",
">\n\nWhat is the obsession with reading sexulized stories to kids in drag? I mean lighten up?",
">\n\nWhy are the people who tried to kidnap a governor getting such harsher penalties than the people who broke into congress, assaulted police, tried to kill members of congress, and tried to overthrow the government?",
">\n\nHonestly, do you think these inbred dipshits still expect Trump to rescue them? Or have the learned that they were pawns in the biggest con in US history?",
">\n\nHe’s still their hero although the Trump 2024 flags are dwindling slowly.",
">\n\nWhat about the people who radicalized them?",
">\n\nThose people are wealthy, so it's OK.",
">\n\nInteresting that these boneheads are getting significant time while many from Jan6 have not.",
">\n\nMost of the Jan 6th defendants so far have been the random goobers who just got caught up with the mob. Just like the schmucks in this case got a few years, while the ringleaders are getting the longer sentences.\nThe DoJ was taking its time with the cases against the bigger fish as far as Jan 6th goes, because those charges are harder to make stick. The guys facing charges like seditious conspiracy are looking at 60+ years."
] |
>
I haven't followed this closely. Why did a Delaware trucker care about the state government of Michigan?
|
[
"At one point, Croft told allies: “I don’t like seeing anybody get killed either. But you don’t make an omelet without breaking a few eggs, you know what I mean?”\n\nI’ve never heard someone compassionate, full of empathy doing good for the world pull out that saying. It’s always someone trying to minimize some bullshit.",
">\n\nEvil is banal and mundane. As Hannah Arendt observes in her book Eichmann in Jerusalem, evil people like that use stock phrases and self-invented clichés, including ... you don’t make an omelet without breaking a few eggs ..., to justify their behaviour and lack of critical thinking. People delude themselves into believing they're genuinely good, righteous people.",
">\n\nYep, no one thinks \"muahaha, I am evil!\"",
">\n\nI mean, there’s some people that do. There was a certain subset of Nazis working in the prison camps who knew exactly what was going on, and genuinely enjoyed being there. Same with the Christian missionaries who enacted genocide on the natives - there were priests and nuns in those Catholic schools who willfully abused (and even murdered) kids. \nGenuine psychopaths exist. They’re the minority, but they’re out there. The “banality of evil” problem is that the Nazis and the Catholic church set up entire systems that protected and enabled them.",
">\n\nThe torturers during the inquisition LOVED their work. They got points for doing Gods work and the further blessing of women to rape in ingenuous ways.",
">\n\nLet Croft and Fox rot for the next decade and a half. We’ll see how militant they are when they’re in their late 60s and have aged in the US prison system.",
">\n\nProbably…. More so?",
">\n\nMore so, but no one will go near them. A plot like that, they won't be able to walk past a laptop without the FBI knowing where they are after they're out. No one in their right mind would bring them back into their group.",
">\n\nImagine being so angry at being made to wear masks indoors, you plot to kill a government official, and will now spend the rest of your productive life behind bars ( he's 47 now). All because of having to wear a mask in Wal-Mart!",
">\n\nWhen you lose your freedoms because you don't understand your freedoms.",
">\n\nLoosing your freedoms because you stood up for your freedums…..",
">\n\nThis was a good one",
">\n\nNot really",
">\n\nYesterday the guy who was sentenced looked like a potato and this one looks like the kind of guy who would throw rocks at you for walking near his gold digging spot",
">\n\nGrew up in Michigan. Me: \"Shit, I think I know that guy...oh good, no, it's just his doppelganger.\" Both f-ing times.",
">\n\nSame. My first fear was that at least one of them would turn out to be a family member. Thankfully none... but many look awfully familiar.",
">\n\nProbably about time to take down the “My governor is an idiot” yard signs, Michiganders.",
">\n\nFinding out intensifies……",
">\n\n“(Defense attorney) Blanchard, who got emotional in the courtroom when speaking about Croft’s three children, told reporters outside the courthouse that the sentence means Croft will not get to see his kids grow up.”\nWell, when you try to kidnap and assassinate a governor because you don’t want to wear a mask or stay 6’ away from people because of a fucking pandemic, bad things end up happening to you. \n“Blanchard also maintained that Croft wasn’t the “ideas guy” he’s been portrayed as. He insisted that “most of what Mr. Croft said was excluded because the government didn’t want the jury to hear it.” “\nYeah, it’s not that the “government didn’t want the jury to hear it”. Court doesn’t work that way. The defense attorney didn’t get the testimony excluded. If Croft had a better attorney he might have gotten off, or a lighter sentence. \nThis Blanchard puke is as bad as the felons he represented. Crybaby failure all the way around…",
">\n\nHim not seeing his kids is probably the best thing for them. We don’t need more copies of him.",
">\n\nLooks like that \"the FBI are the ones who suggested it to us and egged us on\" defense didn't hold up.",
">\n\nBecause it was a lie.",
">\n\nNot on the \"gateway pundit,\" where they throw all kinds of insane, exaggerated reasons for ultra-maga crimes\nthat site is one of my favorite hate reads",
">\n\n\n“This man is fully radicalized. He hasn’t changed his viewpoint,” Kessler added. “He’s not admitting the ideas are wrong because he still holds them. This whole thing was Mr. Croft’s idea.”\n\n-\n\nA different jury in Grand Rapids couldn’t reach a verdict on the pair at the first trial last spring but acquitted two other men.\n\nMan, it sounds more and more like the first trial just had (at least) one Michigan Militia type who would have never convicted on any grounds at all.",
">\n\nI just find it hilarious that this group who claimed they were so aware of big government terror compared to us sheep. ..was infiltrated by a FBI informant rather easily lol.\nI'd say I'd wanna see the movie one day but it's probably just the FBI informant making a Facebook posting down with liberals and he was welcomed with open arms.\nEdit - I just realized that it seems I'm making light of the FBI informants job. I am not. I could not do that job and be looking over my shoulder basically not living my own life for months to years.",
">\n\nIt wasn't even an FBI agent, it was just some former military dude who joined their military gun drill club and heard their very detailed plot to execute cops and told his cop buddy about it. The cop buddy was like, fuck, that sounds real lemme ask the FBI what to do. The FBI told the guy, hey, can you, like, stay friends with them and just kinda let us know if they do anything really crazy like ask where to buy a bomb to blow up a bridge?\nAnd then they were like, shit, we need a bomb to blow up a bridge as a diversion. You were in the military, do you know anyone? And the dude was like, uh, yeah, let me ask my old buddy Fred Ben Iver.",
">\n\nThey need to do some of that kind of work to grab whoever is behind all of the power stations being hit.",
">\n\nIt is very likely it is completely separate groups. The white supremacist movement (which all this antigovernmental stuff right now is part of and/or grew out of), does everything they can to stay autonomous so that if one cell goes down there is no connection. They can spread their ideology and tactics by just putting them out there on certain forums and are never directly involved, yet have the freedom of speech cover.",
">\n\nIts probably going to be a rite of passage, like being jumped into a gang. Except it is also like having a Canadian girlfriend.\nIf you want domestic terrorist clout at the local watering hole you brag, \"You know that electrical substation that got taken out? Not saying I was directly involved, but not necessarily denying either.\"\nTo Law Enforcement you say, \"That's a lie. Ah gots rats!!\"\nSchrodinger's Terrorist.",
">\n\nHe looks like the kinda guy who’d try to buy bank robbery supplies from a pawn shop.",
">\n\nShort response: good. Longer response? Goooooooooooooooood.",
">\n\nTwo more 'o' and you'd have one for each year of his sentence.",
">\n\nAnother dumb fuck becomes a burden on taxpayers.",
">\n\nLet’s be honest: they were probably a burden to taxpayers beforehand.",
">\n\nYou know, kidnapping and killing US government officials isn't a good thing to do. Even if Trump says to do it.",
">\n\nYou got a weird way of spelling eventually.",
">\n\nWhat kind of country are we becoming where you cannot even kidnap your Governors? /sarcasm",
">\n\n19 years in prison essentially over not wanting to wear a mask.",
">\n\nMore like 19 years because you closed my bar for a few weeks and that’s unacceptable to redneck Michigan.",
">\n\nwell, if you still watch fox news you’re probably upset by this verdict. tucker carlson will agree with you and tell you why. but this is a reality check and you might want to take a step back and reevaluate your life before you end up storming the capital again or attacking a power grid",
">\n\nGood. Fuck them all.9",
">\n\nPrimeee definition of fuck around and find out…imagine wasting 19 years of your life because you thought you were smart enough to hatch a terror attack on a fucking online message board that had fbi agents on it 💀💀and that baddie STILL won releection. \nenjoy prison biatch, go big gretch. she seems like a pretty cool lady.",
">\n\n\nJudge Robert J. Jonker described him as “the idea guy” behind the plot\n...\nDelaware, man didn’t actually have authority over others and often frustrated them because he “just kept talking.”\n\nInteresting that 'talker' of the group is getting hemmed up. Reminds me of another bigly idea guy who agitated a group of people to do crimes.",
">\n\nMore of this, judicial system.",
">\n\nBbbbbut the FBI made me do it!",
">\n\nLong compared to what? We got people locked up twice as long for weed in this country.",
">\n\nStill not long enough",
">\n\nI agree, but at least he’ll be about 67 when he gets out, the last of the prime years of his life taken away from him.",
">\n\nAnd I imagine he won't be in a very secure place financially when he leaves prison. It's not like he's going to leave in 16 years and then retire on some vast fortune. He'll need to work to survive and who's going to hire an extremist that tried to murder a government official? He'll be lucky to get employed as \"janitor for the McDonald's in the really bad part of town.\" \nAnd while I'm sure he'll blame all his troubles on \"liberals/socialists/Democrats/non-whites/etc,\" the only person truly responsible for how his life ended up will be himself.",
">\n\nWell, there is always the option for these type of people to get a job at Fox or OAN…",
">\n\nI think you have to succeed in your crimes to be offered a prime-time slot on Fox. (or be guest of honor for the GOP)",
">\n\nWow, the \"find out\" stage really did him up the butt.",
">\n\nSometimes, you can judge a book by its cover…",
">\n\nHope he dies in prison. Fuck him.",
">\n\nIf the \"2A exists to protect us against tyranny\" argument was a person.",
">\n\nAnd \"tyranny\" to them means anything they don't personally agree with.",
">\n\n\nAnd \"tyranny\" to them means anything they don't personally agree with.\n\nOr someone reading books to children at a library in drag.",
">\n\nWhat is the obsession with reading sexulized stories to kids in drag? I mean lighten up?",
">\n\nWhy are the people who tried to kidnap a governor getting such harsher penalties than the people who broke into congress, assaulted police, tried to kill members of congress, and tried to overthrow the government?",
">\n\nHonestly, do you think these inbred dipshits still expect Trump to rescue them? Or have the learned that they were pawns in the biggest con in US history?",
">\n\nHe’s still their hero although the Trump 2024 flags are dwindling slowly.",
">\n\nWhat about the people who radicalized them?",
">\n\nThose people are wealthy, so it's OK.",
">\n\nInteresting that these boneheads are getting significant time while many from Jan6 have not.",
">\n\nMost of the Jan 6th defendants so far have been the random goobers who just got caught up with the mob. Just like the schmucks in this case got a few years, while the ringleaders are getting the longer sentences.\nThe DoJ was taking its time with the cases against the bigger fish as far as Jan 6th goes, because those charges are harder to make stick. The guys facing charges like seditious conspiracy are looking at 60+ years.",
">\n\nHe looks like one of those men you’d see in an 1800’s photo in the background on some field next to a moonshine still."
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>
“Liberate Michigan” rhetoric
|
[
"At one point, Croft told allies: “I don’t like seeing anybody get killed either. But you don’t make an omelet without breaking a few eggs, you know what I mean?”\n\nI’ve never heard someone compassionate, full of empathy doing good for the world pull out that saying. It’s always someone trying to minimize some bullshit.",
">\n\nEvil is banal and mundane. As Hannah Arendt observes in her book Eichmann in Jerusalem, evil people like that use stock phrases and self-invented clichés, including ... you don’t make an omelet without breaking a few eggs ..., to justify their behaviour and lack of critical thinking. People delude themselves into believing they're genuinely good, righteous people.",
">\n\nYep, no one thinks \"muahaha, I am evil!\"",
">\n\nI mean, there’s some people that do. There was a certain subset of Nazis working in the prison camps who knew exactly what was going on, and genuinely enjoyed being there. Same with the Christian missionaries who enacted genocide on the natives - there were priests and nuns in those Catholic schools who willfully abused (and even murdered) kids. \nGenuine psychopaths exist. They’re the minority, but they’re out there. The “banality of evil” problem is that the Nazis and the Catholic church set up entire systems that protected and enabled them.",
">\n\nThe torturers during the inquisition LOVED their work. They got points for doing Gods work and the further blessing of women to rape in ingenuous ways.",
">\n\nLet Croft and Fox rot for the next decade and a half. We’ll see how militant they are when they’re in their late 60s and have aged in the US prison system.",
">\n\nProbably…. More so?",
">\n\nMore so, but no one will go near them. A plot like that, they won't be able to walk past a laptop without the FBI knowing where they are after they're out. No one in their right mind would bring them back into their group.",
">\n\nImagine being so angry at being made to wear masks indoors, you plot to kill a government official, and will now spend the rest of your productive life behind bars ( he's 47 now). All because of having to wear a mask in Wal-Mart!",
">\n\nWhen you lose your freedoms because you don't understand your freedoms.",
">\n\nLoosing your freedoms because you stood up for your freedums…..",
">\n\nThis was a good one",
">\n\nNot really",
">\n\nYesterday the guy who was sentenced looked like a potato and this one looks like the kind of guy who would throw rocks at you for walking near his gold digging spot",
">\n\nGrew up in Michigan. Me: \"Shit, I think I know that guy...oh good, no, it's just his doppelganger.\" Both f-ing times.",
">\n\nSame. My first fear was that at least one of them would turn out to be a family member. Thankfully none... but many look awfully familiar.",
">\n\nProbably about time to take down the “My governor is an idiot” yard signs, Michiganders.",
">\n\nFinding out intensifies……",
">\n\n“(Defense attorney) Blanchard, who got emotional in the courtroom when speaking about Croft’s three children, told reporters outside the courthouse that the sentence means Croft will not get to see his kids grow up.”\nWell, when you try to kidnap and assassinate a governor because you don’t want to wear a mask or stay 6’ away from people because of a fucking pandemic, bad things end up happening to you. \n“Blanchard also maintained that Croft wasn’t the “ideas guy” he’s been portrayed as. He insisted that “most of what Mr. Croft said was excluded because the government didn’t want the jury to hear it.” “\nYeah, it’s not that the “government didn’t want the jury to hear it”. Court doesn’t work that way. The defense attorney didn’t get the testimony excluded. If Croft had a better attorney he might have gotten off, or a lighter sentence. \nThis Blanchard puke is as bad as the felons he represented. Crybaby failure all the way around…",
">\n\nHim not seeing his kids is probably the best thing for them. We don’t need more copies of him.",
">\n\nLooks like that \"the FBI are the ones who suggested it to us and egged us on\" defense didn't hold up.",
">\n\nBecause it was a lie.",
">\n\nNot on the \"gateway pundit,\" where they throw all kinds of insane, exaggerated reasons for ultra-maga crimes\nthat site is one of my favorite hate reads",
">\n\n\n“This man is fully radicalized. He hasn’t changed his viewpoint,” Kessler added. “He’s not admitting the ideas are wrong because he still holds them. This whole thing was Mr. Croft’s idea.”\n\n-\n\nA different jury in Grand Rapids couldn’t reach a verdict on the pair at the first trial last spring but acquitted two other men.\n\nMan, it sounds more and more like the first trial just had (at least) one Michigan Militia type who would have never convicted on any grounds at all.",
">\n\nI just find it hilarious that this group who claimed they were so aware of big government terror compared to us sheep. ..was infiltrated by a FBI informant rather easily lol.\nI'd say I'd wanna see the movie one day but it's probably just the FBI informant making a Facebook posting down with liberals and he was welcomed with open arms.\nEdit - I just realized that it seems I'm making light of the FBI informants job. I am not. I could not do that job and be looking over my shoulder basically not living my own life for months to years.",
">\n\nIt wasn't even an FBI agent, it was just some former military dude who joined their military gun drill club and heard their very detailed plot to execute cops and told his cop buddy about it. The cop buddy was like, fuck, that sounds real lemme ask the FBI what to do. The FBI told the guy, hey, can you, like, stay friends with them and just kinda let us know if they do anything really crazy like ask where to buy a bomb to blow up a bridge?\nAnd then they were like, shit, we need a bomb to blow up a bridge as a diversion. You were in the military, do you know anyone? And the dude was like, uh, yeah, let me ask my old buddy Fred Ben Iver.",
">\n\nThey need to do some of that kind of work to grab whoever is behind all of the power stations being hit.",
">\n\nIt is very likely it is completely separate groups. The white supremacist movement (which all this antigovernmental stuff right now is part of and/or grew out of), does everything they can to stay autonomous so that if one cell goes down there is no connection. They can spread their ideology and tactics by just putting them out there on certain forums and are never directly involved, yet have the freedom of speech cover.",
">\n\nIts probably going to be a rite of passage, like being jumped into a gang. Except it is also like having a Canadian girlfriend.\nIf you want domestic terrorist clout at the local watering hole you brag, \"You know that electrical substation that got taken out? Not saying I was directly involved, but not necessarily denying either.\"\nTo Law Enforcement you say, \"That's a lie. Ah gots rats!!\"\nSchrodinger's Terrorist.",
">\n\nHe looks like the kinda guy who’d try to buy bank robbery supplies from a pawn shop.",
">\n\nShort response: good. Longer response? Goooooooooooooooood.",
">\n\nTwo more 'o' and you'd have one for each year of his sentence.",
">\n\nAnother dumb fuck becomes a burden on taxpayers.",
">\n\nLet’s be honest: they were probably a burden to taxpayers beforehand.",
">\n\nYou know, kidnapping and killing US government officials isn't a good thing to do. Even if Trump says to do it.",
">\n\nYou got a weird way of spelling eventually.",
">\n\nWhat kind of country are we becoming where you cannot even kidnap your Governors? /sarcasm",
">\n\n19 years in prison essentially over not wanting to wear a mask.",
">\n\nMore like 19 years because you closed my bar for a few weeks and that’s unacceptable to redneck Michigan.",
">\n\nwell, if you still watch fox news you’re probably upset by this verdict. tucker carlson will agree with you and tell you why. but this is a reality check and you might want to take a step back and reevaluate your life before you end up storming the capital again or attacking a power grid",
">\n\nGood. Fuck them all.9",
">\n\nPrimeee definition of fuck around and find out…imagine wasting 19 years of your life because you thought you were smart enough to hatch a terror attack on a fucking online message board that had fbi agents on it 💀💀and that baddie STILL won releection. \nenjoy prison biatch, go big gretch. she seems like a pretty cool lady.",
">\n\n\nJudge Robert J. Jonker described him as “the idea guy” behind the plot\n...\nDelaware, man didn’t actually have authority over others and often frustrated them because he “just kept talking.”\n\nInteresting that 'talker' of the group is getting hemmed up. Reminds me of another bigly idea guy who agitated a group of people to do crimes.",
">\n\nMore of this, judicial system.",
">\n\nBbbbbut the FBI made me do it!",
">\n\nLong compared to what? We got people locked up twice as long for weed in this country.",
">\n\nStill not long enough",
">\n\nI agree, but at least he’ll be about 67 when he gets out, the last of the prime years of his life taken away from him.",
">\n\nAnd I imagine he won't be in a very secure place financially when he leaves prison. It's not like he's going to leave in 16 years and then retire on some vast fortune. He'll need to work to survive and who's going to hire an extremist that tried to murder a government official? He'll be lucky to get employed as \"janitor for the McDonald's in the really bad part of town.\" \nAnd while I'm sure he'll blame all his troubles on \"liberals/socialists/Democrats/non-whites/etc,\" the only person truly responsible for how his life ended up will be himself.",
">\n\nWell, there is always the option for these type of people to get a job at Fox or OAN…",
">\n\nI think you have to succeed in your crimes to be offered a prime-time slot on Fox. (or be guest of honor for the GOP)",
">\n\nWow, the \"find out\" stage really did him up the butt.",
">\n\nSometimes, you can judge a book by its cover…",
">\n\nHope he dies in prison. Fuck him.",
">\n\nIf the \"2A exists to protect us against tyranny\" argument was a person.",
">\n\nAnd \"tyranny\" to them means anything they don't personally agree with.",
">\n\n\nAnd \"tyranny\" to them means anything they don't personally agree with.\n\nOr someone reading books to children at a library in drag.",
">\n\nWhat is the obsession with reading sexulized stories to kids in drag? I mean lighten up?",
">\n\nWhy are the people who tried to kidnap a governor getting such harsher penalties than the people who broke into congress, assaulted police, tried to kill members of congress, and tried to overthrow the government?",
">\n\nHonestly, do you think these inbred dipshits still expect Trump to rescue them? Or have the learned that they were pawns in the biggest con in US history?",
">\n\nHe’s still their hero although the Trump 2024 flags are dwindling slowly.",
">\n\nWhat about the people who radicalized them?",
">\n\nThose people are wealthy, so it's OK.",
">\n\nInteresting that these boneheads are getting significant time while many from Jan6 have not.",
">\n\nMost of the Jan 6th defendants so far have been the random goobers who just got caught up with the mob. Just like the schmucks in this case got a few years, while the ringleaders are getting the longer sentences.\nThe DoJ was taking its time with the cases against the bigger fish as far as Jan 6th goes, because those charges are harder to make stick. The guys facing charges like seditious conspiracy are looking at 60+ years.",
">\n\nHe looks like one of those men you’d see in an 1800’s photo in the background on some field next to a moonshine still.",
">\n\nI haven't followed this closely. Why did a Delaware trucker care about the state government of Michigan?"
] |
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I feel like these guys all have a similar fashion sense
|
[
"At one point, Croft told allies: “I don’t like seeing anybody get killed either. But you don’t make an omelet without breaking a few eggs, you know what I mean?”\n\nI’ve never heard someone compassionate, full of empathy doing good for the world pull out that saying. It’s always someone trying to minimize some bullshit.",
">\n\nEvil is banal and mundane. As Hannah Arendt observes in her book Eichmann in Jerusalem, evil people like that use stock phrases and self-invented clichés, including ... you don’t make an omelet without breaking a few eggs ..., to justify their behaviour and lack of critical thinking. People delude themselves into believing they're genuinely good, righteous people.",
">\n\nYep, no one thinks \"muahaha, I am evil!\"",
">\n\nI mean, there’s some people that do. There was a certain subset of Nazis working in the prison camps who knew exactly what was going on, and genuinely enjoyed being there. Same with the Christian missionaries who enacted genocide on the natives - there were priests and nuns in those Catholic schools who willfully abused (and even murdered) kids. \nGenuine psychopaths exist. They’re the minority, but they’re out there. The “banality of evil” problem is that the Nazis and the Catholic church set up entire systems that protected and enabled them.",
">\n\nThe torturers during the inquisition LOVED their work. They got points for doing Gods work and the further blessing of women to rape in ingenuous ways.",
">\n\nLet Croft and Fox rot for the next decade and a half. We’ll see how militant they are when they’re in their late 60s and have aged in the US prison system.",
">\n\nProbably…. More so?",
">\n\nMore so, but no one will go near them. A plot like that, they won't be able to walk past a laptop without the FBI knowing where they are after they're out. No one in their right mind would bring them back into their group.",
">\n\nImagine being so angry at being made to wear masks indoors, you plot to kill a government official, and will now spend the rest of your productive life behind bars ( he's 47 now). All because of having to wear a mask in Wal-Mart!",
">\n\nWhen you lose your freedoms because you don't understand your freedoms.",
">\n\nLoosing your freedoms because you stood up for your freedums…..",
">\n\nThis was a good one",
">\n\nNot really",
">\n\nYesterday the guy who was sentenced looked like a potato and this one looks like the kind of guy who would throw rocks at you for walking near his gold digging spot",
">\n\nGrew up in Michigan. Me: \"Shit, I think I know that guy...oh good, no, it's just his doppelganger.\" Both f-ing times.",
">\n\nSame. My first fear was that at least one of them would turn out to be a family member. Thankfully none... but many look awfully familiar.",
">\n\nProbably about time to take down the “My governor is an idiot” yard signs, Michiganders.",
">\n\nFinding out intensifies……",
">\n\n“(Defense attorney) Blanchard, who got emotional in the courtroom when speaking about Croft’s three children, told reporters outside the courthouse that the sentence means Croft will not get to see his kids grow up.”\nWell, when you try to kidnap and assassinate a governor because you don’t want to wear a mask or stay 6’ away from people because of a fucking pandemic, bad things end up happening to you. \n“Blanchard also maintained that Croft wasn’t the “ideas guy” he’s been portrayed as. He insisted that “most of what Mr. Croft said was excluded because the government didn’t want the jury to hear it.” “\nYeah, it’s not that the “government didn’t want the jury to hear it”. Court doesn’t work that way. The defense attorney didn’t get the testimony excluded. If Croft had a better attorney he might have gotten off, or a lighter sentence. \nThis Blanchard puke is as bad as the felons he represented. Crybaby failure all the way around…",
">\n\nHim not seeing his kids is probably the best thing for them. We don’t need more copies of him.",
">\n\nLooks like that \"the FBI are the ones who suggested it to us and egged us on\" defense didn't hold up.",
">\n\nBecause it was a lie.",
">\n\nNot on the \"gateway pundit,\" where they throw all kinds of insane, exaggerated reasons for ultra-maga crimes\nthat site is one of my favorite hate reads",
">\n\n\n“This man is fully radicalized. He hasn’t changed his viewpoint,” Kessler added. “He’s not admitting the ideas are wrong because he still holds them. This whole thing was Mr. Croft’s idea.”\n\n-\n\nA different jury in Grand Rapids couldn’t reach a verdict on the pair at the first trial last spring but acquitted two other men.\n\nMan, it sounds more and more like the first trial just had (at least) one Michigan Militia type who would have never convicted on any grounds at all.",
">\n\nI just find it hilarious that this group who claimed they were so aware of big government terror compared to us sheep. ..was infiltrated by a FBI informant rather easily lol.\nI'd say I'd wanna see the movie one day but it's probably just the FBI informant making a Facebook posting down with liberals and he was welcomed with open arms.\nEdit - I just realized that it seems I'm making light of the FBI informants job. I am not. I could not do that job and be looking over my shoulder basically not living my own life for months to years.",
">\n\nIt wasn't even an FBI agent, it was just some former military dude who joined their military gun drill club and heard their very detailed plot to execute cops and told his cop buddy about it. The cop buddy was like, fuck, that sounds real lemme ask the FBI what to do. The FBI told the guy, hey, can you, like, stay friends with them and just kinda let us know if they do anything really crazy like ask where to buy a bomb to blow up a bridge?\nAnd then they were like, shit, we need a bomb to blow up a bridge as a diversion. You were in the military, do you know anyone? And the dude was like, uh, yeah, let me ask my old buddy Fred Ben Iver.",
">\n\nThey need to do some of that kind of work to grab whoever is behind all of the power stations being hit.",
">\n\nIt is very likely it is completely separate groups. The white supremacist movement (which all this antigovernmental stuff right now is part of and/or grew out of), does everything they can to stay autonomous so that if one cell goes down there is no connection. They can spread their ideology and tactics by just putting them out there on certain forums and are never directly involved, yet have the freedom of speech cover.",
">\n\nIts probably going to be a rite of passage, like being jumped into a gang. Except it is also like having a Canadian girlfriend.\nIf you want domestic terrorist clout at the local watering hole you brag, \"You know that electrical substation that got taken out? Not saying I was directly involved, but not necessarily denying either.\"\nTo Law Enforcement you say, \"That's a lie. Ah gots rats!!\"\nSchrodinger's Terrorist.",
">\n\nHe looks like the kinda guy who’d try to buy bank robbery supplies from a pawn shop.",
">\n\nShort response: good. Longer response? Goooooooooooooooood.",
">\n\nTwo more 'o' and you'd have one for each year of his sentence.",
">\n\nAnother dumb fuck becomes a burden on taxpayers.",
">\n\nLet’s be honest: they were probably a burden to taxpayers beforehand.",
">\n\nYou know, kidnapping and killing US government officials isn't a good thing to do. Even if Trump says to do it.",
">\n\nYou got a weird way of spelling eventually.",
">\n\nWhat kind of country are we becoming where you cannot even kidnap your Governors? /sarcasm",
">\n\n19 years in prison essentially over not wanting to wear a mask.",
">\n\nMore like 19 years because you closed my bar for a few weeks and that’s unacceptable to redneck Michigan.",
">\n\nwell, if you still watch fox news you’re probably upset by this verdict. tucker carlson will agree with you and tell you why. but this is a reality check and you might want to take a step back and reevaluate your life before you end up storming the capital again or attacking a power grid",
">\n\nGood. Fuck them all.9",
">\n\nPrimeee definition of fuck around and find out…imagine wasting 19 years of your life because you thought you were smart enough to hatch a terror attack on a fucking online message board that had fbi agents on it 💀💀and that baddie STILL won releection. \nenjoy prison biatch, go big gretch. she seems like a pretty cool lady.",
">\n\n\nJudge Robert J. Jonker described him as “the idea guy” behind the plot\n...\nDelaware, man didn’t actually have authority over others and often frustrated them because he “just kept talking.”\n\nInteresting that 'talker' of the group is getting hemmed up. Reminds me of another bigly idea guy who agitated a group of people to do crimes.",
">\n\nMore of this, judicial system.",
">\n\nBbbbbut the FBI made me do it!",
">\n\nLong compared to what? We got people locked up twice as long for weed in this country.",
">\n\nStill not long enough",
">\n\nI agree, but at least he’ll be about 67 when he gets out, the last of the prime years of his life taken away from him.",
">\n\nAnd I imagine he won't be in a very secure place financially when he leaves prison. It's not like he's going to leave in 16 years and then retire on some vast fortune. He'll need to work to survive and who's going to hire an extremist that tried to murder a government official? He'll be lucky to get employed as \"janitor for the McDonald's in the really bad part of town.\" \nAnd while I'm sure he'll blame all his troubles on \"liberals/socialists/Democrats/non-whites/etc,\" the only person truly responsible for how his life ended up will be himself.",
">\n\nWell, there is always the option for these type of people to get a job at Fox or OAN…",
">\n\nI think you have to succeed in your crimes to be offered a prime-time slot on Fox. (or be guest of honor for the GOP)",
">\n\nWow, the \"find out\" stage really did him up the butt.",
">\n\nSometimes, you can judge a book by its cover…",
">\n\nHope he dies in prison. Fuck him.",
">\n\nIf the \"2A exists to protect us against tyranny\" argument was a person.",
">\n\nAnd \"tyranny\" to them means anything they don't personally agree with.",
">\n\n\nAnd \"tyranny\" to them means anything they don't personally agree with.\n\nOr someone reading books to children at a library in drag.",
">\n\nWhat is the obsession with reading sexulized stories to kids in drag? I mean lighten up?",
">\n\nWhy are the people who tried to kidnap a governor getting such harsher penalties than the people who broke into congress, assaulted police, tried to kill members of congress, and tried to overthrow the government?",
">\n\nHonestly, do you think these inbred dipshits still expect Trump to rescue them? Or have the learned that they were pawns in the biggest con in US history?",
">\n\nHe’s still their hero although the Trump 2024 flags are dwindling slowly.",
">\n\nWhat about the people who radicalized them?",
">\n\nThose people are wealthy, so it's OK.",
">\n\nInteresting that these boneheads are getting significant time while many from Jan6 have not.",
">\n\nMost of the Jan 6th defendants so far have been the random goobers who just got caught up with the mob. Just like the schmucks in this case got a few years, while the ringleaders are getting the longer sentences.\nThe DoJ was taking its time with the cases against the bigger fish as far as Jan 6th goes, because those charges are harder to make stick. The guys facing charges like seditious conspiracy are looking at 60+ years.",
">\n\nHe looks like one of those men you’d see in an 1800’s photo in the background on some field next to a moonshine still.",
">\n\nI haven't followed this closely. Why did a Delaware trucker care about the state government of Michigan?",
">\n\n“Liberate Michigan” rhetoric"
] |
>
Neck Beard Brigade
|
[
"At one point, Croft told allies: “I don’t like seeing anybody get killed either. But you don’t make an omelet without breaking a few eggs, you know what I mean?”\n\nI’ve never heard someone compassionate, full of empathy doing good for the world pull out that saying. It’s always someone trying to minimize some bullshit.",
">\n\nEvil is banal and mundane. As Hannah Arendt observes in her book Eichmann in Jerusalem, evil people like that use stock phrases and self-invented clichés, including ... you don’t make an omelet without breaking a few eggs ..., to justify their behaviour and lack of critical thinking. People delude themselves into believing they're genuinely good, righteous people.",
">\n\nYep, no one thinks \"muahaha, I am evil!\"",
">\n\nI mean, there’s some people that do. There was a certain subset of Nazis working in the prison camps who knew exactly what was going on, and genuinely enjoyed being there. Same with the Christian missionaries who enacted genocide on the natives - there were priests and nuns in those Catholic schools who willfully abused (and even murdered) kids. \nGenuine psychopaths exist. They’re the minority, but they’re out there. The “banality of evil” problem is that the Nazis and the Catholic church set up entire systems that protected and enabled them.",
">\n\nThe torturers during the inquisition LOVED their work. They got points for doing Gods work and the further blessing of women to rape in ingenuous ways.",
">\n\nLet Croft and Fox rot for the next decade and a half. We’ll see how militant they are when they’re in their late 60s and have aged in the US prison system.",
">\n\nProbably…. More so?",
">\n\nMore so, but no one will go near them. A plot like that, they won't be able to walk past a laptop without the FBI knowing where they are after they're out. No one in their right mind would bring them back into their group.",
">\n\nImagine being so angry at being made to wear masks indoors, you plot to kill a government official, and will now spend the rest of your productive life behind bars ( he's 47 now). All because of having to wear a mask in Wal-Mart!",
">\n\nWhen you lose your freedoms because you don't understand your freedoms.",
">\n\nLoosing your freedoms because you stood up for your freedums…..",
">\n\nThis was a good one",
">\n\nNot really",
">\n\nYesterday the guy who was sentenced looked like a potato and this one looks like the kind of guy who would throw rocks at you for walking near his gold digging spot",
">\n\nGrew up in Michigan. Me: \"Shit, I think I know that guy...oh good, no, it's just his doppelganger.\" Both f-ing times.",
">\n\nSame. My first fear was that at least one of them would turn out to be a family member. Thankfully none... but many look awfully familiar.",
">\n\nProbably about time to take down the “My governor is an idiot” yard signs, Michiganders.",
">\n\nFinding out intensifies……",
">\n\n“(Defense attorney) Blanchard, who got emotional in the courtroom when speaking about Croft’s three children, told reporters outside the courthouse that the sentence means Croft will not get to see his kids grow up.”\nWell, when you try to kidnap and assassinate a governor because you don’t want to wear a mask or stay 6’ away from people because of a fucking pandemic, bad things end up happening to you. \n“Blanchard also maintained that Croft wasn’t the “ideas guy” he’s been portrayed as. He insisted that “most of what Mr. Croft said was excluded because the government didn’t want the jury to hear it.” “\nYeah, it’s not that the “government didn’t want the jury to hear it”. Court doesn’t work that way. The defense attorney didn’t get the testimony excluded. If Croft had a better attorney he might have gotten off, or a lighter sentence. \nThis Blanchard puke is as bad as the felons he represented. Crybaby failure all the way around…",
">\n\nHim not seeing his kids is probably the best thing for them. We don’t need more copies of him.",
">\n\nLooks like that \"the FBI are the ones who suggested it to us and egged us on\" defense didn't hold up.",
">\n\nBecause it was a lie.",
">\n\nNot on the \"gateway pundit,\" where they throw all kinds of insane, exaggerated reasons for ultra-maga crimes\nthat site is one of my favorite hate reads",
">\n\n\n“This man is fully radicalized. He hasn’t changed his viewpoint,” Kessler added. “He’s not admitting the ideas are wrong because he still holds them. This whole thing was Mr. Croft’s idea.”\n\n-\n\nA different jury in Grand Rapids couldn’t reach a verdict on the pair at the first trial last spring but acquitted two other men.\n\nMan, it sounds more and more like the first trial just had (at least) one Michigan Militia type who would have never convicted on any grounds at all.",
">\n\nI just find it hilarious that this group who claimed they were so aware of big government terror compared to us sheep. ..was infiltrated by a FBI informant rather easily lol.\nI'd say I'd wanna see the movie one day but it's probably just the FBI informant making a Facebook posting down with liberals and he was welcomed with open arms.\nEdit - I just realized that it seems I'm making light of the FBI informants job. I am not. I could not do that job and be looking over my shoulder basically not living my own life for months to years.",
">\n\nIt wasn't even an FBI agent, it was just some former military dude who joined their military gun drill club and heard their very detailed plot to execute cops and told his cop buddy about it. The cop buddy was like, fuck, that sounds real lemme ask the FBI what to do. The FBI told the guy, hey, can you, like, stay friends with them and just kinda let us know if they do anything really crazy like ask where to buy a bomb to blow up a bridge?\nAnd then they were like, shit, we need a bomb to blow up a bridge as a diversion. You were in the military, do you know anyone? And the dude was like, uh, yeah, let me ask my old buddy Fred Ben Iver.",
">\n\nThey need to do some of that kind of work to grab whoever is behind all of the power stations being hit.",
">\n\nIt is very likely it is completely separate groups. The white supremacist movement (which all this antigovernmental stuff right now is part of and/or grew out of), does everything they can to stay autonomous so that if one cell goes down there is no connection. They can spread their ideology and tactics by just putting them out there on certain forums and are never directly involved, yet have the freedom of speech cover.",
">\n\nIts probably going to be a rite of passage, like being jumped into a gang. Except it is also like having a Canadian girlfriend.\nIf you want domestic terrorist clout at the local watering hole you brag, \"You know that electrical substation that got taken out? Not saying I was directly involved, but not necessarily denying either.\"\nTo Law Enforcement you say, \"That's a lie. Ah gots rats!!\"\nSchrodinger's Terrorist.",
">\n\nHe looks like the kinda guy who’d try to buy bank robbery supplies from a pawn shop.",
">\n\nShort response: good. Longer response? Goooooooooooooooood.",
">\n\nTwo more 'o' and you'd have one for each year of his sentence.",
">\n\nAnother dumb fuck becomes a burden on taxpayers.",
">\n\nLet’s be honest: they were probably a burden to taxpayers beforehand.",
">\n\nYou know, kidnapping and killing US government officials isn't a good thing to do. Even if Trump says to do it.",
">\n\nYou got a weird way of spelling eventually.",
">\n\nWhat kind of country are we becoming where you cannot even kidnap your Governors? /sarcasm",
">\n\n19 years in prison essentially over not wanting to wear a mask.",
">\n\nMore like 19 years because you closed my bar for a few weeks and that’s unacceptable to redneck Michigan.",
">\n\nwell, if you still watch fox news you’re probably upset by this verdict. tucker carlson will agree with you and tell you why. but this is a reality check and you might want to take a step back and reevaluate your life before you end up storming the capital again or attacking a power grid",
">\n\nGood. Fuck them all.9",
">\n\nPrimeee definition of fuck around and find out…imagine wasting 19 years of your life because you thought you were smart enough to hatch a terror attack on a fucking online message board that had fbi agents on it 💀💀and that baddie STILL won releection. \nenjoy prison biatch, go big gretch. she seems like a pretty cool lady.",
">\n\n\nJudge Robert J. Jonker described him as “the idea guy” behind the plot\n...\nDelaware, man didn’t actually have authority over others and often frustrated them because he “just kept talking.”\n\nInteresting that 'talker' of the group is getting hemmed up. Reminds me of another bigly idea guy who agitated a group of people to do crimes.",
">\n\nMore of this, judicial system.",
">\n\nBbbbbut the FBI made me do it!",
">\n\nLong compared to what? We got people locked up twice as long for weed in this country.",
">\n\nStill not long enough",
">\n\nI agree, but at least he’ll be about 67 when he gets out, the last of the prime years of his life taken away from him.",
">\n\nAnd I imagine he won't be in a very secure place financially when he leaves prison. It's not like he's going to leave in 16 years and then retire on some vast fortune. He'll need to work to survive and who's going to hire an extremist that tried to murder a government official? He'll be lucky to get employed as \"janitor for the McDonald's in the really bad part of town.\" \nAnd while I'm sure he'll blame all his troubles on \"liberals/socialists/Democrats/non-whites/etc,\" the only person truly responsible for how his life ended up will be himself.",
">\n\nWell, there is always the option for these type of people to get a job at Fox or OAN…",
">\n\nI think you have to succeed in your crimes to be offered a prime-time slot on Fox. (or be guest of honor for the GOP)",
">\n\nWow, the \"find out\" stage really did him up the butt.",
">\n\nSometimes, you can judge a book by its cover…",
">\n\nHope he dies in prison. Fuck him.",
">\n\nIf the \"2A exists to protect us against tyranny\" argument was a person.",
">\n\nAnd \"tyranny\" to them means anything they don't personally agree with.",
">\n\n\nAnd \"tyranny\" to them means anything they don't personally agree with.\n\nOr someone reading books to children at a library in drag.",
">\n\nWhat is the obsession with reading sexulized stories to kids in drag? I mean lighten up?",
">\n\nWhy are the people who tried to kidnap a governor getting such harsher penalties than the people who broke into congress, assaulted police, tried to kill members of congress, and tried to overthrow the government?",
">\n\nHonestly, do you think these inbred dipshits still expect Trump to rescue them? Or have the learned that they were pawns in the biggest con in US history?",
">\n\nHe’s still their hero although the Trump 2024 flags are dwindling slowly.",
">\n\nWhat about the people who radicalized them?",
">\n\nThose people are wealthy, so it's OK.",
">\n\nInteresting that these boneheads are getting significant time while many from Jan6 have not.",
">\n\nMost of the Jan 6th defendants so far have been the random goobers who just got caught up with the mob. Just like the schmucks in this case got a few years, while the ringleaders are getting the longer sentences.\nThe DoJ was taking its time with the cases against the bigger fish as far as Jan 6th goes, because those charges are harder to make stick. The guys facing charges like seditious conspiracy are looking at 60+ years.",
">\n\nHe looks like one of those men you’d see in an 1800’s photo in the background on some field next to a moonshine still.",
">\n\nI haven't followed this closely. Why did a Delaware trucker care about the state government of Michigan?",
">\n\n“Liberate Michigan” rhetoric",
">\n\nI feel like these guys all have a similar fashion sense"
] |
>
In the 60s we were told Americans had to go to Vietnam to save democracy because the Viet Cong were kidnapping and assassinating democratically elected judges and representatives. Oath Keepers et al, where is assassination mentioned in the Constitution???
|
[
"At one point, Croft told allies: “I don’t like seeing anybody get killed either. But you don’t make an omelet without breaking a few eggs, you know what I mean?”\n\nI’ve never heard someone compassionate, full of empathy doing good for the world pull out that saying. It’s always someone trying to minimize some bullshit.",
">\n\nEvil is banal and mundane. As Hannah Arendt observes in her book Eichmann in Jerusalem, evil people like that use stock phrases and self-invented clichés, including ... you don’t make an omelet without breaking a few eggs ..., to justify their behaviour and lack of critical thinking. People delude themselves into believing they're genuinely good, righteous people.",
">\n\nYep, no one thinks \"muahaha, I am evil!\"",
">\n\nI mean, there’s some people that do. There was a certain subset of Nazis working in the prison camps who knew exactly what was going on, and genuinely enjoyed being there. Same with the Christian missionaries who enacted genocide on the natives - there were priests and nuns in those Catholic schools who willfully abused (and even murdered) kids. \nGenuine psychopaths exist. They’re the minority, but they’re out there. The “banality of evil” problem is that the Nazis and the Catholic church set up entire systems that protected and enabled them.",
">\n\nThe torturers during the inquisition LOVED their work. They got points for doing Gods work and the further blessing of women to rape in ingenuous ways.",
">\n\nLet Croft and Fox rot for the next decade and a half. We’ll see how militant they are when they’re in their late 60s and have aged in the US prison system.",
">\n\nProbably…. More so?",
">\n\nMore so, but no one will go near them. A plot like that, they won't be able to walk past a laptop without the FBI knowing where they are after they're out. No one in their right mind would bring them back into their group.",
">\n\nImagine being so angry at being made to wear masks indoors, you plot to kill a government official, and will now spend the rest of your productive life behind bars ( he's 47 now). All because of having to wear a mask in Wal-Mart!",
">\n\nWhen you lose your freedoms because you don't understand your freedoms.",
">\n\nLoosing your freedoms because you stood up for your freedums…..",
">\n\nThis was a good one",
">\n\nNot really",
">\n\nYesterday the guy who was sentenced looked like a potato and this one looks like the kind of guy who would throw rocks at you for walking near his gold digging spot",
">\n\nGrew up in Michigan. Me: \"Shit, I think I know that guy...oh good, no, it's just his doppelganger.\" Both f-ing times.",
">\n\nSame. My first fear was that at least one of them would turn out to be a family member. Thankfully none... but many look awfully familiar.",
">\n\nProbably about time to take down the “My governor is an idiot” yard signs, Michiganders.",
">\n\nFinding out intensifies……",
">\n\n“(Defense attorney) Blanchard, who got emotional in the courtroom when speaking about Croft’s three children, told reporters outside the courthouse that the sentence means Croft will not get to see his kids grow up.”\nWell, when you try to kidnap and assassinate a governor because you don’t want to wear a mask or stay 6’ away from people because of a fucking pandemic, bad things end up happening to you. \n“Blanchard also maintained that Croft wasn’t the “ideas guy” he’s been portrayed as. He insisted that “most of what Mr. Croft said was excluded because the government didn’t want the jury to hear it.” “\nYeah, it’s not that the “government didn’t want the jury to hear it”. Court doesn’t work that way. The defense attorney didn’t get the testimony excluded. If Croft had a better attorney he might have gotten off, or a lighter sentence. \nThis Blanchard puke is as bad as the felons he represented. Crybaby failure all the way around…",
">\n\nHim not seeing his kids is probably the best thing for them. We don’t need more copies of him.",
">\n\nLooks like that \"the FBI are the ones who suggested it to us and egged us on\" defense didn't hold up.",
">\n\nBecause it was a lie.",
">\n\nNot on the \"gateway pundit,\" where they throw all kinds of insane, exaggerated reasons for ultra-maga crimes\nthat site is one of my favorite hate reads",
">\n\n\n“This man is fully radicalized. He hasn’t changed his viewpoint,” Kessler added. “He’s not admitting the ideas are wrong because he still holds them. This whole thing was Mr. Croft’s idea.”\n\n-\n\nA different jury in Grand Rapids couldn’t reach a verdict on the pair at the first trial last spring but acquitted two other men.\n\nMan, it sounds more and more like the first trial just had (at least) one Michigan Militia type who would have never convicted on any grounds at all.",
">\n\nI just find it hilarious that this group who claimed they were so aware of big government terror compared to us sheep. ..was infiltrated by a FBI informant rather easily lol.\nI'd say I'd wanna see the movie one day but it's probably just the FBI informant making a Facebook posting down with liberals and he was welcomed with open arms.\nEdit - I just realized that it seems I'm making light of the FBI informants job. I am not. I could not do that job and be looking over my shoulder basically not living my own life for months to years.",
">\n\nIt wasn't even an FBI agent, it was just some former military dude who joined their military gun drill club and heard their very detailed plot to execute cops and told his cop buddy about it. The cop buddy was like, fuck, that sounds real lemme ask the FBI what to do. The FBI told the guy, hey, can you, like, stay friends with them and just kinda let us know if they do anything really crazy like ask where to buy a bomb to blow up a bridge?\nAnd then they were like, shit, we need a bomb to blow up a bridge as a diversion. You were in the military, do you know anyone? And the dude was like, uh, yeah, let me ask my old buddy Fred Ben Iver.",
">\n\nThey need to do some of that kind of work to grab whoever is behind all of the power stations being hit.",
">\n\nIt is very likely it is completely separate groups. The white supremacist movement (which all this antigovernmental stuff right now is part of and/or grew out of), does everything they can to stay autonomous so that if one cell goes down there is no connection. They can spread their ideology and tactics by just putting them out there on certain forums and are never directly involved, yet have the freedom of speech cover.",
">\n\nIts probably going to be a rite of passage, like being jumped into a gang. Except it is also like having a Canadian girlfriend.\nIf you want domestic terrorist clout at the local watering hole you brag, \"You know that electrical substation that got taken out? Not saying I was directly involved, but not necessarily denying either.\"\nTo Law Enforcement you say, \"That's a lie. Ah gots rats!!\"\nSchrodinger's Terrorist.",
">\n\nHe looks like the kinda guy who’d try to buy bank robbery supplies from a pawn shop.",
">\n\nShort response: good. Longer response? Goooooooooooooooood.",
">\n\nTwo more 'o' and you'd have one for each year of his sentence.",
">\n\nAnother dumb fuck becomes a burden on taxpayers.",
">\n\nLet’s be honest: they were probably a burden to taxpayers beforehand.",
">\n\nYou know, kidnapping and killing US government officials isn't a good thing to do. Even if Trump says to do it.",
">\n\nYou got a weird way of spelling eventually.",
">\n\nWhat kind of country are we becoming where you cannot even kidnap your Governors? /sarcasm",
">\n\n19 years in prison essentially over not wanting to wear a mask.",
">\n\nMore like 19 years because you closed my bar for a few weeks and that’s unacceptable to redneck Michigan.",
">\n\nwell, if you still watch fox news you’re probably upset by this verdict. tucker carlson will agree with you and tell you why. but this is a reality check and you might want to take a step back and reevaluate your life before you end up storming the capital again or attacking a power grid",
">\n\nGood. Fuck them all.9",
">\n\nPrimeee definition of fuck around and find out…imagine wasting 19 years of your life because you thought you were smart enough to hatch a terror attack on a fucking online message board that had fbi agents on it 💀💀and that baddie STILL won releection. \nenjoy prison biatch, go big gretch. she seems like a pretty cool lady.",
">\n\n\nJudge Robert J. Jonker described him as “the idea guy” behind the plot\n...\nDelaware, man didn’t actually have authority over others and often frustrated them because he “just kept talking.”\n\nInteresting that 'talker' of the group is getting hemmed up. Reminds me of another bigly idea guy who agitated a group of people to do crimes.",
">\n\nMore of this, judicial system.",
">\n\nBbbbbut the FBI made me do it!",
">\n\nLong compared to what? We got people locked up twice as long for weed in this country.",
">\n\nStill not long enough",
">\n\nI agree, but at least he’ll be about 67 when he gets out, the last of the prime years of his life taken away from him.",
">\n\nAnd I imagine he won't be in a very secure place financially when he leaves prison. It's not like he's going to leave in 16 years and then retire on some vast fortune. He'll need to work to survive and who's going to hire an extremist that tried to murder a government official? He'll be lucky to get employed as \"janitor for the McDonald's in the really bad part of town.\" \nAnd while I'm sure he'll blame all his troubles on \"liberals/socialists/Democrats/non-whites/etc,\" the only person truly responsible for how his life ended up will be himself.",
">\n\nWell, there is always the option for these type of people to get a job at Fox or OAN…",
">\n\nI think you have to succeed in your crimes to be offered a prime-time slot on Fox. (or be guest of honor for the GOP)",
">\n\nWow, the \"find out\" stage really did him up the butt.",
">\n\nSometimes, you can judge a book by its cover…",
">\n\nHope he dies in prison. Fuck him.",
">\n\nIf the \"2A exists to protect us against tyranny\" argument was a person.",
">\n\nAnd \"tyranny\" to them means anything they don't personally agree with.",
">\n\n\nAnd \"tyranny\" to them means anything they don't personally agree with.\n\nOr someone reading books to children at a library in drag.",
">\n\nWhat is the obsession with reading sexulized stories to kids in drag? I mean lighten up?",
">\n\nWhy are the people who tried to kidnap a governor getting such harsher penalties than the people who broke into congress, assaulted police, tried to kill members of congress, and tried to overthrow the government?",
">\n\nHonestly, do you think these inbred dipshits still expect Trump to rescue them? Or have the learned that they were pawns in the biggest con in US history?",
">\n\nHe’s still their hero although the Trump 2024 flags are dwindling slowly.",
">\n\nWhat about the people who radicalized them?",
">\n\nThose people are wealthy, so it's OK.",
">\n\nInteresting that these boneheads are getting significant time while many from Jan6 have not.",
">\n\nMost of the Jan 6th defendants so far have been the random goobers who just got caught up with the mob. Just like the schmucks in this case got a few years, while the ringleaders are getting the longer sentences.\nThe DoJ was taking its time with the cases against the bigger fish as far as Jan 6th goes, because those charges are harder to make stick. The guys facing charges like seditious conspiracy are looking at 60+ years.",
">\n\nHe looks like one of those men you’d see in an 1800’s photo in the background on some field next to a moonshine still.",
">\n\nI haven't followed this closely. Why did a Delaware trucker care about the state government of Michigan?",
">\n\n“Liberate Michigan” rhetoric",
">\n\nI feel like these guys all have a similar fashion sense",
">\n\nNeck Beard Brigade"
] |
>
Wednesday night is meatloaf night, boys.
|
[
"At one point, Croft told allies: “I don’t like seeing anybody get killed either. But you don’t make an omelet without breaking a few eggs, you know what I mean?”\n\nI’ve never heard someone compassionate, full of empathy doing good for the world pull out that saying. It’s always someone trying to minimize some bullshit.",
">\n\nEvil is banal and mundane. As Hannah Arendt observes in her book Eichmann in Jerusalem, evil people like that use stock phrases and self-invented clichés, including ... you don’t make an omelet without breaking a few eggs ..., to justify their behaviour and lack of critical thinking. People delude themselves into believing they're genuinely good, righteous people.",
">\n\nYep, no one thinks \"muahaha, I am evil!\"",
">\n\nI mean, there’s some people that do. There was a certain subset of Nazis working in the prison camps who knew exactly what was going on, and genuinely enjoyed being there. Same with the Christian missionaries who enacted genocide on the natives - there were priests and nuns in those Catholic schools who willfully abused (and even murdered) kids. \nGenuine psychopaths exist. They’re the minority, but they’re out there. The “banality of evil” problem is that the Nazis and the Catholic church set up entire systems that protected and enabled them.",
">\n\nThe torturers during the inquisition LOVED their work. They got points for doing Gods work and the further blessing of women to rape in ingenuous ways.",
">\n\nLet Croft and Fox rot for the next decade and a half. We’ll see how militant they are when they’re in their late 60s and have aged in the US prison system.",
">\n\nProbably…. More so?",
">\n\nMore so, but no one will go near them. A plot like that, they won't be able to walk past a laptop without the FBI knowing where they are after they're out. No one in their right mind would bring them back into their group.",
">\n\nImagine being so angry at being made to wear masks indoors, you plot to kill a government official, and will now spend the rest of your productive life behind bars ( he's 47 now). All because of having to wear a mask in Wal-Mart!",
">\n\nWhen you lose your freedoms because you don't understand your freedoms.",
">\n\nLoosing your freedoms because you stood up for your freedums…..",
">\n\nThis was a good one",
">\n\nNot really",
">\n\nYesterday the guy who was sentenced looked like a potato and this one looks like the kind of guy who would throw rocks at you for walking near his gold digging spot",
">\n\nGrew up in Michigan. Me: \"Shit, I think I know that guy...oh good, no, it's just his doppelganger.\" Both f-ing times.",
">\n\nSame. My first fear was that at least one of them would turn out to be a family member. Thankfully none... but many look awfully familiar.",
">\n\nProbably about time to take down the “My governor is an idiot” yard signs, Michiganders.",
">\n\nFinding out intensifies……",
">\n\n“(Defense attorney) Blanchard, who got emotional in the courtroom when speaking about Croft’s three children, told reporters outside the courthouse that the sentence means Croft will not get to see his kids grow up.”\nWell, when you try to kidnap and assassinate a governor because you don’t want to wear a mask or stay 6’ away from people because of a fucking pandemic, bad things end up happening to you. \n“Blanchard also maintained that Croft wasn’t the “ideas guy” he’s been portrayed as. He insisted that “most of what Mr. Croft said was excluded because the government didn’t want the jury to hear it.” “\nYeah, it’s not that the “government didn’t want the jury to hear it”. Court doesn’t work that way. The defense attorney didn’t get the testimony excluded. If Croft had a better attorney he might have gotten off, or a lighter sentence. \nThis Blanchard puke is as bad as the felons he represented. Crybaby failure all the way around…",
">\n\nHim not seeing his kids is probably the best thing for them. We don’t need more copies of him.",
">\n\nLooks like that \"the FBI are the ones who suggested it to us and egged us on\" defense didn't hold up.",
">\n\nBecause it was a lie.",
">\n\nNot on the \"gateway pundit,\" where they throw all kinds of insane, exaggerated reasons for ultra-maga crimes\nthat site is one of my favorite hate reads",
">\n\n\n“This man is fully radicalized. He hasn’t changed his viewpoint,” Kessler added. “He’s not admitting the ideas are wrong because he still holds them. This whole thing was Mr. Croft’s idea.”\n\n-\n\nA different jury in Grand Rapids couldn’t reach a verdict on the pair at the first trial last spring but acquitted two other men.\n\nMan, it sounds more and more like the first trial just had (at least) one Michigan Militia type who would have never convicted on any grounds at all.",
">\n\nI just find it hilarious that this group who claimed they were so aware of big government terror compared to us sheep. ..was infiltrated by a FBI informant rather easily lol.\nI'd say I'd wanna see the movie one day but it's probably just the FBI informant making a Facebook posting down with liberals and he was welcomed with open arms.\nEdit - I just realized that it seems I'm making light of the FBI informants job. I am not. I could not do that job and be looking over my shoulder basically not living my own life for months to years.",
">\n\nIt wasn't even an FBI agent, it was just some former military dude who joined their military gun drill club and heard their very detailed plot to execute cops and told his cop buddy about it. The cop buddy was like, fuck, that sounds real lemme ask the FBI what to do. The FBI told the guy, hey, can you, like, stay friends with them and just kinda let us know if they do anything really crazy like ask where to buy a bomb to blow up a bridge?\nAnd then they were like, shit, we need a bomb to blow up a bridge as a diversion. You were in the military, do you know anyone? And the dude was like, uh, yeah, let me ask my old buddy Fred Ben Iver.",
">\n\nThey need to do some of that kind of work to grab whoever is behind all of the power stations being hit.",
">\n\nIt is very likely it is completely separate groups. The white supremacist movement (which all this antigovernmental stuff right now is part of and/or grew out of), does everything they can to stay autonomous so that if one cell goes down there is no connection. They can spread their ideology and tactics by just putting them out there on certain forums and are never directly involved, yet have the freedom of speech cover.",
">\n\nIts probably going to be a rite of passage, like being jumped into a gang. Except it is also like having a Canadian girlfriend.\nIf you want domestic terrorist clout at the local watering hole you brag, \"You know that electrical substation that got taken out? Not saying I was directly involved, but not necessarily denying either.\"\nTo Law Enforcement you say, \"That's a lie. Ah gots rats!!\"\nSchrodinger's Terrorist.",
">\n\nHe looks like the kinda guy who’d try to buy bank robbery supplies from a pawn shop.",
">\n\nShort response: good. Longer response? Goooooooooooooooood.",
">\n\nTwo more 'o' and you'd have one for each year of his sentence.",
">\n\nAnother dumb fuck becomes a burden on taxpayers.",
">\n\nLet’s be honest: they were probably a burden to taxpayers beforehand.",
">\n\nYou know, kidnapping and killing US government officials isn't a good thing to do. Even if Trump says to do it.",
">\n\nYou got a weird way of spelling eventually.",
">\n\nWhat kind of country are we becoming where you cannot even kidnap your Governors? /sarcasm",
">\n\n19 years in prison essentially over not wanting to wear a mask.",
">\n\nMore like 19 years because you closed my bar for a few weeks and that’s unacceptable to redneck Michigan.",
">\n\nwell, if you still watch fox news you’re probably upset by this verdict. tucker carlson will agree with you and tell you why. but this is a reality check and you might want to take a step back and reevaluate your life before you end up storming the capital again or attacking a power grid",
">\n\nGood. Fuck them all.9",
">\n\nPrimeee definition of fuck around and find out…imagine wasting 19 years of your life because you thought you were smart enough to hatch a terror attack on a fucking online message board that had fbi agents on it 💀💀and that baddie STILL won releection. \nenjoy prison biatch, go big gretch. she seems like a pretty cool lady.",
">\n\n\nJudge Robert J. Jonker described him as “the idea guy” behind the plot\n...\nDelaware, man didn’t actually have authority over others and often frustrated them because he “just kept talking.”\n\nInteresting that 'talker' of the group is getting hemmed up. Reminds me of another bigly idea guy who agitated a group of people to do crimes.",
">\n\nMore of this, judicial system.",
">\n\nBbbbbut the FBI made me do it!",
">\n\nLong compared to what? We got people locked up twice as long for weed in this country.",
">\n\nStill not long enough",
">\n\nI agree, but at least he’ll be about 67 when he gets out, the last of the prime years of his life taken away from him.",
">\n\nAnd I imagine he won't be in a very secure place financially when he leaves prison. It's not like he's going to leave in 16 years and then retire on some vast fortune. He'll need to work to survive and who's going to hire an extremist that tried to murder a government official? He'll be lucky to get employed as \"janitor for the McDonald's in the really bad part of town.\" \nAnd while I'm sure he'll blame all his troubles on \"liberals/socialists/Democrats/non-whites/etc,\" the only person truly responsible for how his life ended up will be himself.",
">\n\nWell, there is always the option for these type of people to get a job at Fox or OAN…",
">\n\nI think you have to succeed in your crimes to be offered a prime-time slot on Fox. (or be guest of honor for the GOP)",
">\n\nWow, the \"find out\" stage really did him up the butt.",
">\n\nSometimes, you can judge a book by its cover…",
">\n\nHope he dies in prison. Fuck him.",
">\n\nIf the \"2A exists to protect us against tyranny\" argument was a person.",
">\n\nAnd \"tyranny\" to them means anything they don't personally agree with.",
">\n\n\nAnd \"tyranny\" to them means anything they don't personally agree with.\n\nOr someone reading books to children at a library in drag.",
">\n\nWhat is the obsession with reading sexulized stories to kids in drag? I mean lighten up?",
">\n\nWhy are the people who tried to kidnap a governor getting such harsher penalties than the people who broke into congress, assaulted police, tried to kill members of congress, and tried to overthrow the government?",
">\n\nHonestly, do you think these inbred dipshits still expect Trump to rescue them? Or have the learned that they were pawns in the biggest con in US history?",
">\n\nHe’s still their hero although the Trump 2024 flags are dwindling slowly.",
">\n\nWhat about the people who radicalized them?",
">\n\nThose people are wealthy, so it's OK.",
">\n\nInteresting that these boneheads are getting significant time while many from Jan6 have not.",
">\n\nMost of the Jan 6th defendants so far have been the random goobers who just got caught up with the mob. Just like the schmucks in this case got a few years, while the ringleaders are getting the longer sentences.\nThe DoJ was taking its time with the cases against the bigger fish as far as Jan 6th goes, because those charges are harder to make stick. The guys facing charges like seditious conspiracy are looking at 60+ years.",
">\n\nHe looks like one of those men you’d see in an 1800’s photo in the background on some field next to a moonshine still.",
">\n\nI haven't followed this closely. Why did a Delaware trucker care about the state government of Michigan?",
">\n\n“Liberate Michigan” rhetoric",
">\n\nI feel like these guys all have a similar fashion sense",
">\n\nNeck Beard Brigade",
">\n\nIn the 60s we were told Americans had to go to Vietnam to save democracy because the Viet Cong were kidnapping and assassinating democratically elected judges and representatives. Oath Keepers et al, where is assassination mentioned in the Constitution???"
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>
And the simple fact that the GQP doesn’t denounce these people and make a public stand against their behavior is exactly why no one should trust a single one of them or allow them ANY jurisdiction until the party is dismantled and/ or entirely reformed.
|
[
"At one point, Croft told allies: “I don’t like seeing anybody get killed either. But you don’t make an omelet without breaking a few eggs, you know what I mean?”\n\nI’ve never heard someone compassionate, full of empathy doing good for the world pull out that saying. It’s always someone trying to minimize some bullshit.",
">\n\nEvil is banal and mundane. As Hannah Arendt observes in her book Eichmann in Jerusalem, evil people like that use stock phrases and self-invented clichés, including ... you don’t make an omelet without breaking a few eggs ..., to justify their behaviour and lack of critical thinking. People delude themselves into believing they're genuinely good, righteous people.",
">\n\nYep, no one thinks \"muahaha, I am evil!\"",
">\n\nI mean, there’s some people that do. There was a certain subset of Nazis working in the prison camps who knew exactly what was going on, and genuinely enjoyed being there. Same with the Christian missionaries who enacted genocide on the natives - there were priests and nuns in those Catholic schools who willfully abused (and even murdered) kids. \nGenuine psychopaths exist. They’re the minority, but they’re out there. The “banality of evil” problem is that the Nazis and the Catholic church set up entire systems that protected and enabled them.",
">\n\nThe torturers during the inquisition LOVED their work. They got points for doing Gods work and the further blessing of women to rape in ingenuous ways.",
">\n\nLet Croft and Fox rot for the next decade and a half. We’ll see how militant they are when they’re in their late 60s and have aged in the US prison system.",
">\n\nProbably…. More so?",
">\n\nMore so, but no one will go near them. A plot like that, they won't be able to walk past a laptop without the FBI knowing where they are after they're out. No one in their right mind would bring them back into their group.",
">\n\nImagine being so angry at being made to wear masks indoors, you plot to kill a government official, and will now spend the rest of your productive life behind bars ( he's 47 now). All because of having to wear a mask in Wal-Mart!",
">\n\nWhen you lose your freedoms because you don't understand your freedoms.",
">\n\nLoosing your freedoms because you stood up for your freedums…..",
">\n\nThis was a good one",
">\n\nNot really",
">\n\nYesterday the guy who was sentenced looked like a potato and this one looks like the kind of guy who would throw rocks at you for walking near his gold digging spot",
">\n\nGrew up in Michigan. Me: \"Shit, I think I know that guy...oh good, no, it's just his doppelganger.\" Both f-ing times.",
">\n\nSame. My first fear was that at least one of them would turn out to be a family member. Thankfully none... but many look awfully familiar.",
">\n\nProbably about time to take down the “My governor is an idiot” yard signs, Michiganders.",
">\n\nFinding out intensifies……",
">\n\n“(Defense attorney) Blanchard, who got emotional in the courtroom when speaking about Croft’s three children, told reporters outside the courthouse that the sentence means Croft will not get to see his kids grow up.”\nWell, when you try to kidnap and assassinate a governor because you don’t want to wear a mask or stay 6’ away from people because of a fucking pandemic, bad things end up happening to you. \n“Blanchard also maintained that Croft wasn’t the “ideas guy” he’s been portrayed as. He insisted that “most of what Mr. Croft said was excluded because the government didn’t want the jury to hear it.” “\nYeah, it’s not that the “government didn’t want the jury to hear it”. Court doesn’t work that way. The defense attorney didn’t get the testimony excluded. If Croft had a better attorney he might have gotten off, or a lighter sentence. \nThis Blanchard puke is as bad as the felons he represented. Crybaby failure all the way around…",
">\n\nHim not seeing his kids is probably the best thing for them. We don’t need more copies of him.",
">\n\nLooks like that \"the FBI are the ones who suggested it to us and egged us on\" defense didn't hold up.",
">\n\nBecause it was a lie.",
">\n\nNot on the \"gateway pundit,\" where they throw all kinds of insane, exaggerated reasons for ultra-maga crimes\nthat site is one of my favorite hate reads",
">\n\n\n“This man is fully radicalized. He hasn’t changed his viewpoint,” Kessler added. “He’s not admitting the ideas are wrong because he still holds them. This whole thing was Mr. Croft’s idea.”\n\n-\n\nA different jury in Grand Rapids couldn’t reach a verdict on the pair at the first trial last spring but acquitted two other men.\n\nMan, it sounds more and more like the first trial just had (at least) one Michigan Militia type who would have never convicted on any grounds at all.",
">\n\nI just find it hilarious that this group who claimed they were so aware of big government terror compared to us sheep. ..was infiltrated by a FBI informant rather easily lol.\nI'd say I'd wanna see the movie one day but it's probably just the FBI informant making a Facebook posting down with liberals and he was welcomed with open arms.\nEdit - I just realized that it seems I'm making light of the FBI informants job. I am not. I could not do that job and be looking over my shoulder basically not living my own life for months to years.",
">\n\nIt wasn't even an FBI agent, it was just some former military dude who joined their military gun drill club and heard their very detailed plot to execute cops and told his cop buddy about it. The cop buddy was like, fuck, that sounds real lemme ask the FBI what to do. The FBI told the guy, hey, can you, like, stay friends with them and just kinda let us know if they do anything really crazy like ask where to buy a bomb to blow up a bridge?\nAnd then they were like, shit, we need a bomb to blow up a bridge as a diversion. You were in the military, do you know anyone? And the dude was like, uh, yeah, let me ask my old buddy Fred Ben Iver.",
">\n\nThey need to do some of that kind of work to grab whoever is behind all of the power stations being hit.",
">\n\nIt is very likely it is completely separate groups. The white supremacist movement (which all this antigovernmental stuff right now is part of and/or grew out of), does everything they can to stay autonomous so that if one cell goes down there is no connection. They can spread their ideology and tactics by just putting them out there on certain forums and are never directly involved, yet have the freedom of speech cover.",
">\n\nIts probably going to be a rite of passage, like being jumped into a gang. Except it is also like having a Canadian girlfriend.\nIf you want domestic terrorist clout at the local watering hole you brag, \"You know that electrical substation that got taken out? Not saying I was directly involved, but not necessarily denying either.\"\nTo Law Enforcement you say, \"That's a lie. Ah gots rats!!\"\nSchrodinger's Terrorist.",
">\n\nHe looks like the kinda guy who’d try to buy bank robbery supplies from a pawn shop.",
">\n\nShort response: good. Longer response? Goooooooooooooooood.",
">\n\nTwo more 'o' and you'd have one for each year of his sentence.",
">\n\nAnother dumb fuck becomes a burden on taxpayers.",
">\n\nLet’s be honest: they were probably a burden to taxpayers beforehand.",
">\n\nYou know, kidnapping and killing US government officials isn't a good thing to do. Even if Trump says to do it.",
">\n\nYou got a weird way of spelling eventually.",
">\n\nWhat kind of country are we becoming where you cannot even kidnap your Governors? /sarcasm",
">\n\n19 years in prison essentially over not wanting to wear a mask.",
">\n\nMore like 19 years because you closed my bar for a few weeks and that’s unacceptable to redneck Michigan.",
">\n\nwell, if you still watch fox news you’re probably upset by this verdict. tucker carlson will agree with you and tell you why. but this is a reality check and you might want to take a step back and reevaluate your life before you end up storming the capital again or attacking a power grid",
">\n\nGood. Fuck them all.9",
">\n\nPrimeee definition of fuck around and find out…imagine wasting 19 years of your life because you thought you were smart enough to hatch a terror attack on a fucking online message board that had fbi agents on it 💀💀and that baddie STILL won releection. \nenjoy prison biatch, go big gretch. she seems like a pretty cool lady.",
">\n\n\nJudge Robert J. Jonker described him as “the idea guy” behind the plot\n...\nDelaware, man didn’t actually have authority over others and often frustrated them because he “just kept talking.”\n\nInteresting that 'talker' of the group is getting hemmed up. Reminds me of another bigly idea guy who agitated a group of people to do crimes.",
">\n\nMore of this, judicial system.",
">\n\nBbbbbut the FBI made me do it!",
">\n\nLong compared to what? We got people locked up twice as long for weed in this country.",
">\n\nStill not long enough",
">\n\nI agree, but at least he’ll be about 67 when he gets out, the last of the prime years of his life taken away from him.",
">\n\nAnd I imagine he won't be in a very secure place financially when he leaves prison. It's not like he's going to leave in 16 years and then retire on some vast fortune. He'll need to work to survive and who's going to hire an extremist that tried to murder a government official? He'll be lucky to get employed as \"janitor for the McDonald's in the really bad part of town.\" \nAnd while I'm sure he'll blame all his troubles on \"liberals/socialists/Democrats/non-whites/etc,\" the only person truly responsible for how his life ended up will be himself.",
">\n\nWell, there is always the option for these type of people to get a job at Fox or OAN…",
">\n\nI think you have to succeed in your crimes to be offered a prime-time slot on Fox. (or be guest of honor for the GOP)",
">\n\nWow, the \"find out\" stage really did him up the butt.",
">\n\nSometimes, you can judge a book by its cover…",
">\n\nHope he dies in prison. Fuck him.",
">\n\nIf the \"2A exists to protect us against tyranny\" argument was a person.",
">\n\nAnd \"tyranny\" to them means anything they don't personally agree with.",
">\n\n\nAnd \"tyranny\" to them means anything they don't personally agree with.\n\nOr someone reading books to children at a library in drag.",
">\n\nWhat is the obsession with reading sexulized stories to kids in drag? I mean lighten up?",
">\n\nWhy are the people who tried to kidnap a governor getting such harsher penalties than the people who broke into congress, assaulted police, tried to kill members of congress, and tried to overthrow the government?",
">\n\nHonestly, do you think these inbred dipshits still expect Trump to rescue them? Or have the learned that they were pawns in the biggest con in US history?",
">\n\nHe’s still their hero although the Trump 2024 flags are dwindling slowly.",
">\n\nWhat about the people who radicalized them?",
">\n\nThose people are wealthy, so it's OK.",
">\n\nInteresting that these boneheads are getting significant time while many from Jan6 have not.",
">\n\nMost of the Jan 6th defendants so far have been the random goobers who just got caught up with the mob. Just like the schmucks in this case got a few years, while the ringleaders are getting the longer sentences.\nThe DoJ was taking its time with the cases against the bigger fish as far as Jan 6th goes, because those charges are harder to make stick. The guys facing charges like seditious conspiracy are looking at 60+ years.",
">\n\nHe looks like one of those men you’d see in an 1800’s photo in the background on some field next to a moonshine still.",
">\n\nI haven't followed this closely. Why did a Delaware trucker care about the state government of Michigan?",
">\n\n“Liberate Michigan” rhetoric",
">\n\nI feel like these guys all have a similar fashion sense",
">\n\nNeck Beard Brigade",
">\n\nIn the 60s we were told Americans had to go to Vietnam to save democracy because the Viet Cong were kidnapping and assassinating democratically elected judges and representatives. Oath Keepers et al, where is assassination mentioned in the Constitution???",
">\n\nWednesday night is meatloaf night, boys."
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These guys are so wierd looking!
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[
"At one point, Croft told allies: “I don’t like seeing anybody get killed either. But you don’t make an omelet without breaking a few eggs, you know what I mean?”\n\nI’ve never heard someone compassionate, full of empathy doing good for the world pull out that saying. It’s always someone trying to minimize some bullshit.",
">\n\nEvil is banal and mundane. As Hannah Arendt observes in her book Eichmann in Jerusalem, evil people like that use stock phrases and self-invented clichés, including ... you don’t make an omelet without breaking a few eggs ..., to justify their behaviour and lack of critical thinking. People delude themselves into believing they're genuinely good, righteous people.",
">\n\nYep, no one thinks \"muahaha, I am evil!\"",
">\n\nI mean, there’s some people that do. There was a certain subset of Nazis working in the prison camps who knew exactly what was going on, and genuinely enjoyed being there. Same with the Christian missionaries who enacted genocide on the natives - there were priests and nuns in those Catholic schools who willfully abused (and even murdered) kids. \nGenuine psychopaths exist. They’re the minority, but they’re out there. The “banality of evil” problem is that the Nazis and the Catholic church set up entire systems that protected and enabled them.",
">\n\nThe torturers during the inquisition LOVED their work. They got points for doing Gods work and the further blessing of women to rape in ingenuous ways.",
">\n\nLet Croft and Fox rot for the next decade and a half. We’ll see how militant they are when they’re in their late 60s and have aged in the US prison system.",
">\n\nProbably…. More so?",
">\n\nMore so, but no one will go near them. A plot like that, they won't be able to walk past a laptop without the FBI knowing where they are after they're out. No one in their right mind would bring them back into their group.",
">\n\nImagine being so angry at being made to wear masks indoors, you plot to kill a government official, and will now spend the rest of your productive life behind bars ( he's 47 now). All because of having to wear a mask in Wal-Mart!",
">\n\nWhen you lose your freedoms because you don't understand your freedoms.",
">\n\nLoosing your freedoms because you stood up for your freedums…..",
">\n\nThis was a good one",
">\n\nNot really",
">\n\nYesterday the guy who was sentenced looked like a potato and this one looks like the kind of guy who would throw rocks at you for walking near his gold digging spot",
">\n\nGrew up in Michigan. Me: \"Shit, I think I know that guy...oh good, no, it's just his doppelganger.\" Both f-ing times.",
">\n\nSame. My first fear was that at least one of them would turn out to be a family member. Thankfully none... but many look awfully familiar.",
">\n\nProbably about time to take down the “My governor is an idiot” yard signs, Michiganders.",
">\n\nFinding out intensifies……",
">\n\n“(Defense attorney) Blanchard, who got emotional in the courtroom when speaking about Croft’s three children, told reporters outside the courthouse that the sentence means Croft will not get to see his kids grow up.”\nWell, when you try to kidnap and assassinate a governor because you don’t want to wear a mask or stay 6’ away from people because of a fucking pandemic, bad things end up happening to you. \n“Blanchard also maintained that Croft wasn’t the “ideas guy” he’s been portrayed as. He insisted that “most of what Mr. Croft said was excluded because the government didn’t want the jury to hear it.” “\nYeah, it’s not that the “government didn’t want the jury to hear it”. Court doesn’t work that way. The defense attorney didn’t get the testimony excluded. If Croft had a better attorney he might have gotten off, or a lighter sentence. \nThis Blanchard puke is as bad as the felons he represented. Crybaby failure all the way around…",
">\n\nHim not seeing his kids is probably the best thing for them. We don’t need more copies of him.",
">\n\nLooks like that \"the FBI are the ones who suggested it to us and egged us on\" defense didn't hold up.",
">\n\nBecause it was a lie.",
">\n\nNot on the \"gateway pundit,\" where they throw all kinds of insane, exaggerated reasons for ultra-maga crimes\nthat site is one of my favorite hate reads",
">\n\n\n“This man is fully radicalized. He hasn’t changed his viewpoint,” Kessler added. “He’s not admitting the ideas are wrong because he still holds them. This whole thing was Mr. Croft’s idea.”\n\n-\n\nA different jury in Grand Rapids couldn’t reach a verdict on the pair at the first trial last spring but acquitted two other men.\n\nMan, it sounds more and more like the first trial just had (at least) one Michigan Militia type who would have never convicted on any grounds at all.",
">\n\nI just find it hilarious that this group who claimed they were so aware of big government terror compared to us sheep. ..was infiltrated by a FBI informant rather easily lol.\nI'd say I'd wanna see the movie one day but it's probably just the FBI informant making a Facebook posting down with liberals and he was welcomed with open arms.\nEdit - I just realized that it seems I'm making light of the FBI informants job. I am not. I could not do that job and be looking over my shoulder basically not living my own life for months to years.",
">\n\nIt wasn't even an FBI agent, it was just some former military dude who joined their military gun drill club and heard their very detailed plot to execute cops and told his cop buddy about it. The cop buddy was like, fuck, that sounds real lemme ask the FBI what to do. The FBI told the guy, hey, can you, like, stay friends with them and just kinda let us know if they do anything really crazy like ask where to buy a bomb to blow up a bridge?\nAnd then they were like, shit, we need a bomb to blow up a bridge as a diversion. You were in the military, do you know anyone? And the dude was like, uh, yeah, let me ask my old buddy Fred Ben Iver.",
">\n\nThey need to do some of that kind of work to grab whoever is behind all of the power stations being hit.",
">\n\nIt is very likely it is completely separate groups. The white supremacist movement (which all this antigovernmental stuff right now is part of and/or grew out of), does everything they can to stay autonomous so that if one cell goes down there is no connection. They can spread their ideology and tactics by just putting them out there on certain forums and are never directly involved, yet have the freedom of speech cover.",
">\n\nIts probably going to be a rite of passage, like being jumped into a gang. Except it is also like having a Canadian girlfriend.\nIf you want domestic terrorist clout at the local watering hole you brag, \"You know that electrical substation that got taken out? Not saying I was directly involved, but not necessarily denying either.\"\nTo Law Enforcement you say, \"That's a lie. Ah gots rats!!\"\nSchrodinger's Terrorist.",
">\n\nHe looks like the kinda guy who’d try to buy bank robbery supplies from a pawn shop.",
">\n\nShort response: good. Longer response? Goooooooooooooooood.",
">\n\nTwo more 'o' and you'd have one for each year of his sentence.",
">\n\nAnother dumb fuck becomes a burden on taxpayers.",
">\n\nLet’s be honest: they were probably a burden to taxpayers beforehand.",
">\n\nYou know, kidnapping and killing US government officials isn't a good thing to do. Even if Trump says to do it.",
">\n\nYou got a weird way of spelling eventually.",
">\n\nWhat kind of country are we becoming where you cannot even kidnap your Governors? /sarcasm",
">\n\n19 years in prison essentially over not wanting to wear a mask.",
">\n\nMore like 19 years because you closed my bar for a few weeks and that’s unacceptable to redneck Michigan.",
">\n\nwell, if you still watch fox news you’re probably upset by this verdict. tucker carlson will agree with you and tell you why. but this is a reality check and you might want to take a step back and reevaluate your life before you end up storming the capital again or attacking a power grid",
">\n\nGood. Fuck them all.9",
">\n\nPrimeee definition of fuck around and find out…imagine wasting 19 years of your life because you thought you were smart enough to hatch a terror attack on a fucking online message board that had fbi agents on it 💀💀and that baddie STILL won releection. \nenjoy prison biatch, go big gretch. she seems like a pretty cool lady.",
">\n\n\nJudge Robert J. Jonker described him as “the idea guy” behind the plot\n...\nDelaware, man didn’t actually have authority over others and often frustrated them because he “just kept talking.”\n\nInteresting that 'talker' of the group is getting hemmed up. Reminds me of another bigly idea guy who agitated a group of people to do crimes.",
">\n\nMore of this, judicial system.",
">\n\nBbbbbut the FBI made me do it!",
">\n\nLong compared to what? We got people locked up twice as long for weed in this country.",
">\n\nStill not long enough",
">\n\nI agree, but at least he’ll be about 67 when he gets out, the last of the prime years of his life taken away from him.",
">\n\nAnd I imagine he won't be in a very secure place financially when he leaves prison. It's not like he's going to leave in 16 years and then retire on some vast fortune. He'll need to work to survive and who's going to hire an extremist that tried to murder a government official? He'll be lucky to get employed as \"janitor for the McDonald's in the really bad part of town.\" \nAnd while I'm sure he'll blame all his troubles on \"liberals/socialists/Democrats/non-whites/etc,\" the only person truly responsible for how his life ended up will be himself.",
">\n\nWell, there is always the option for these type of people to get a job at Fox or OAN…",
">\n\nI think you have to succeed in your crimes to be offered a prime-time slot on Fox. (or be guest of honor for the GOP)",
">\n\nWow, the \"find out\" stage really did him up the butt.",
">\n\nSometimes, you can judge a book by its cover…",
">\n\nHope he dies in prison. Fuck him.",
">\n\nIf the \"2A exists to protect us against tyranny\" argument was a person.",
">\n\nAnd \"tyranny\" to them means anything they don't personally agree with.",
">\n\n\nAnd \"tyranny\" to them means anything they don't personally agree with.\n\nOr someone reading books to children at a library in drag.",
">\n\nWhat is the obsession with reading sexulized stories to kids in drag? I mean lighten up?",
">\n\nWhy are the people who tried to kidnap a governor getting such harsher penalties than the people who broke into congress, assaulted police, tried to kill members of congress, and tried to overthrow the government?",
">\n\nHonestly, do you think these inbred dipshits still expect Trump to rescue them? Or have the learned that they were pawns in the biggest con in US history?",
">\n\nHe’s still their hero although the Trump 2024 flags are dwindling slowly.",
">\n\nWhat about the people who radicalized them?",
">\n\nThose people are wealthy, so it's OK.",
">\n\nInteresting that these boneheads are getting significant time while many from Jan6 have not.",
">\n\nMost of the Jan 6th defendants so far have been the random goobers who just got caught up with the mob. Just like the schmucks in this case got a few years, while the ringleaders are getting the longer sentences.\nThe DoJ was taking its time with the cases against the bigger fish as far as Jan 6th goes, because those charges are harder to make stick. The guys facing charges like seditious conspiracy are looking at 60+ years.",
">\n\nHe looks like one of those men you’d see in an 1800’s photo in the background on some field next to a moonshine still.",
">\n\nI haven't followed this closely. Why did a Delaware trucker care about the state government of Michigan?",
">\n\n“Liberate Michigan” rhetoric",
">\n\nI feel like these guys all have a similar fashion sense",
">\n\nNeck Beard Brigade",
">\n\nIn the 60s we were told Americans had to go to Vietnam to save democracy because the Viet Cong were kidnapping and assassinating democratically elected judges and representatives. Oath Keepers et al, where is assassination mentioned in the Constitution???",
">\n\nWednesday night is meatloaf night, boys.",
">\n\nAnd the simple fact that the GQP doesn’t denounce these people and make a public stand against their behavior is exactly why no one should trust a single one of them or allow them ANY jurisdiction until the party is dismantled and/ or entirely reformed."
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I’m glad this happened but I seriously doubt it’ll change their or anyone else’s minds that’s as crazy as them.
This is definitely strengthen their resolve if anything because their insane.
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[
"At one point, Croft told allies: “I don’t like seeing anybody get killed either. But you don’t make an omelet without breaking a few eggs, you know what I mean?”\n\nI’ve never heard someone compassionate, full of empathy doing good for the world pull out that saying. It’s always someone trying to minimize some bullshit.",
">\n\nEvil is banal and mundane. As Hannah Arendt observes in her book Eichmann in Jerusalem, evil people like that use stock phrases and self-invented clichés, including ... you don’t make an omelet without breaking a few eggs ..., to justify their behaviour and lack of critical thinking. People delude themselves into believing they're genuinely good, righteous people.",
">\n\nYep, no one thinks \"muahaha, I am evil!\"",
">\n\nI mean, there’s some people that do. There was a certain subset of Nazis working in the prison camps who knew exactly what was going on, and genuinely enjoyed being there. Same with the Christian missionaries who enacted genocide on the natives - there were priests and nuns in those Catholic schools who willfully abused (and even murdered) kids. \nGenuine psychopaths exist. They’re the minority, but they’re out there. The “banality of evil” problem is that the Nazis and the Catholic church set up entire systems that protected and enabled them.",
">\n\nThe torturers during the inquisition LOVED their work. They got points for doing Gods work and the further blessing of women to rape in ingenuous ways.",
">\n\nLet Croft and Fox rot for the next decade and a half. We’ll see how militant they are when they’re in their late 60s and have aged in the US prison system.",
">\n\nProbably…. More so?",
">\n\nMore so, but no one will go near them. A plot like that, they won't be able to walk past a laptop without the FBI knowing where they are after they're out. No one in their right mind would bring them back into their group.",
">\n\nImagine being so angry at being made to wear masks indoors, you plot to kill a government official, and will now spend the rest of your productive life behind bars ( he's 47 now). All because of having to wear a mask in Wal-Mart!",
">\n\nWhen you lose your freedoms because you don't understand your freedoms.",
">\n\nLoosing your freedoms because you stood up for your freedums…..",
">\n\nThis was a good one",
">\n\nNot really",
">\n\nYesterday the guy who was sentenced looked like a potato and this one looks like the kind of guy who would throw rocks at you for walking near his gold digging spot",
">\n\nGrew up in Michigan. Me: \"Shit, I think I know that guy...oh good, no, it's just his doppelganger.\" Both f-ing times.",
">\n\nSame. My first fear was that at least one of them would turn out to be a family member. Thankfully none... but many look awfully familiar.",
">\n\nProbably about time to take down the “My governor is an idiot” yard signs, Michiganders.",
">\n\nFinding out intensifies……",
">\n\n“(Defense attorney) Blanchard, who got emotional in the courtroom when speaking about Croft’s three children, told reporters outside the courthouse that the sentence means Croft will not get to see his kids grow up.”\nWell, when you try to kidnap and assassinate a governor because you don’t want to wear a mask or stay 6’ away from people because of a fucking pandemic, bad things end up happening to you. \n“Blanchard also maintained that Croft wasn’t the “ideas guy” he’s been portrayed as. He insisted that “most of what Mr. Croft said was excluded because the government didn’t want the jury to hear it.” “\nYeah, it’s not that the “government didn’t want the jury to hear it”. Court doesn’t work that way. The defense attorney didn’t get the testimony excluded. If Croft had a better attorney he might have gotten off, or a lighter sentence. \nThis Blanchard puke is as bad as the felons he represented. Crybaby failure all the way around…",
">\n\nHim not seeing his kids is probably the best thing for them. We don’t need more copies of him.",
">\n\nLooks like that \"the FBI are the ones who suggested it to us and egged us on\" defense didn't hold up.",
">\n\nBecause it was a lie.",
">\n\nNot on the \"gateway pundit,\" where they throw all kinds of insane, exaggerated reasons for ultra-maga crimes\nthat site is one of my favorite hate reads",
">\n\n\n“This man is fully radicalized. He hasn’t changed his viewpoint,” Kessler added. “He’s not admitting the ideas are wrong because he still holds them. This whole thing was Mr. Croft’s idea.”\n\n-\n\nA different jury in Grand Rapids couldn’t reach a verdict on the pair at the first trial last spring but acquitted two other men.\n\nMan, it sounds more and more like the first trial just had (at least) one Michigan Militia type who would have never convicted on any grounds at all.",
">\n\nI just find it hilarious that this group who claimed they were so aware of big government terror compared to us sheep. ..was infiltrated by a FBI informant rather easily lol.\nI'd say I'd wanna see the movie one day but it's probably just the FBI informant making a Facebook posting down with liberals and he was welcomed with open arms.\nEdit - I just realized that it seems I'm making light of the FBI informants job. I am not. I could not do that job and be looking over my shoulder basically not living my own life for months to years.",
">\n\nIt wasn't even an FBI agent, it was just some former military dude who joined their military gun drill club and heard their very detailed plot to execute cops and told his cop buddy about it. The cop buddy was like, fuck, that sounds real lemme ask the FBI what to do. The FBI told the guy, hey, can you, like, stay friends with them and just kinda let us know if they do anything really crazy like ask where to buy a bomb to blow up a bridge?\nAnd then they were like, shit, we need a bomb to blow up a bridge as a diversion. You were in the military, do you know anyone? And the dude was like, uh, yeah, let me ask my old buddy Fred Ben Iver.",
">\n\nThey need to do some of that kind of work to grab whoever is behind all of the power stations being hit.",
">\n\nIt is very likely it is completely separate groups. The white supremacist movement (which all this antigovernmental stuff right now is part of and/or grew out of), does everything they can to stay autonomous so that if one cell goes down there is no connection. They can spread their ideology and tactics by just putting them out there on certain forums and are never directly involved, yet have the freedom of speech cover.",
">\n\nIts probably going to be a rite of passage, like being jumped into a gang. Except it is also like having a Canadian girlfriend.\nIf you want domestic terrorist clout at the local watering hole you brag, \"You know that electrical substation that got taken out? Not saying I was directly involved, but not necessarily denying either.\"\nTo Law Enforcement you say, \"That's a lie. Ah gots rats!!\"\nSchrodinger's Terrorist.",
">\n\nHe looks like the kinda guy who’d try to buy bank robbery supplies from a pawn shop.",
">\n\nShort response: good. Longer response? Goooooooooooooooood.",
">\n\nTwo more 'o' and you'd have one for each year of his sentence.",
">\n\nAnother dumb fuck becomes a burden on taxpayers.",
">\n\nLet’s be honest: they were probably a burden to taxpayers beforehand.",
">\n\nYou know, kidnapping and killing US government officials isn't a good thing to do. Even if Trump says to do it.",
">\n\nYou got a weird way of spelling eventually.",
">\n\nWhat kind of country are we becoming where you cannot even kidnap your Governors? /sarcasm",
">\n\n19 years in prison essentially over not wanting to wear a mask.",
">\n\nMore like 19 years because you closed my bar for a few weeks and that’s unacceptable to redneck Michigan.",
">\n\nwell, if you still watch fox news you’re probably upset by this verdict. tucker carlson will agree with you and tell you why. but this is a reality check and you might want to take a step back and reevaluate your life before you end up storming the capital again or attacking a power grid",
">\n\nGood. Fuck them all.9",
">\n\nPrimeee definition of fuck around and find out…imagine wasting 19 years of your life because you thought you were smart enough to hatch a terror attack on a fucking online message board that had fbi agents on it 💀💀and that baddie STILL won releection. \nenjoy prison biatch, go big gretch. she seems like a pretty cool lady.",
">\n\n\nJudge Robert J. Jonker described him as “the idea guy” behind the plot\n...\nDelaware, man didn’t actually have authority over others and often frustrated them because he “just kept talking.”\n\nInteresting that 'talker' of the group is getting hemmed up. Reminds me of another bigly idea guy who agitated a group of people to do crimes.",
">\n\nMore of this, judicial system.",
">\n\nBbbbbut the FBI made me do it!",
">\n\nLong compared to what? We got people locked up twice as long for weed in this country.",
">\n\nStill not long enough",
">\n\nI agree, but at least he’ll be about 67 when he gets out, the last of the prime years of his life taken away from him.",
">\n\nAnd I imagine he won't be in a very secure place financially when he leaves prison. It's not like he's going to leave in 16 years and then retire on some vast fortune. He'll need to work to survive and who's going to hire an extremist that tried to murder a government official? He'll be lucky to get employed as \"janitor for the McDonald's in the really bad part of town.\" \nAnd while I'm sure he'll blame all his troubles on \"liberals/socialists/Democrats/non-whites/etc,\" the only person truly responsible for how his life ended up will be himself.",
">\n\nWell, there is always the option for these type of people to get a job at Fox or OAN…",
">\n\nI think you have to succeed in your crimes to be offered a prime-time slot on Fox. (or be guest of honor for the GOP)",
">\n\nWow, the \"find out\" stage really did him up the butt.",
">\n\nSometimes, you can judge a book by its cover…",
">\n\nHope he dies in prison. Fuck him.",
">\n\nIf the \"2A exists to protect us against tyranny\" argument was a person.",
">\n\nAnd \"tyranny\" to them means anything they don't personally agree with.",
">\n\n\nAnd \"tyranny\" to them means anything they don't personally agree with.\n\nOr someone reading books to children at a library in drag.",
">\n\nWhat is the obsession with reading sexulized stories to kids in drag? I mean lighten up?",
">\n\nWhy are the people who tried to kidnap a governor getting such harsher penalties than the people who broke into congress, assaulted police, tried to kill members of congress, and tried to overthrow the government?",
">\n\nHonestly, do you think these inbred dipshits still expect Trump to rescue them? Or have the learned that they were pawns in the biggest con in US history?",
">\n\nHe’s still their hero although the Trump 2024 flags are dwindling slowly.",
">\n\nWhat about the people who radicalized them?",
">\n\nThose people are wealthy, so it's OK.",
">\n\nInteresting that these boneheads are getting significant time while many from Jan6 have not.",
">\n\nMost of the Jan 6th defendants so far have been the random goobers who just got caught up with the mob. Just like the schmucks in this case got a few years, while the ringleaders are getting the longer sentences.\nThe DoJ was taking its time with the cases against the bigger fish as far as Jan 6th goes, because those charges are harder to make stick. The guys facing charges like seditious conspiracy are looking at 60+ years.",
">\n\nHe looks like one of those men you’d see in an 1800’s photo in the background on some field next to a moonshine still.",
">\n\nI haven't followed this closely. Why did a Delaware trucker care about the state government of Michigan?",
">\n\n“Liberate Michigan” rhetoric",
">\n\nI feel like these guys all have a similar fashion sense",
">\n\nNeck Beard Brigade",
">\n\nIn the 60s we were told Americans had to go to Vietnam to save democracy because the Viet Cong were kidnapping and assassinating democratically elected judges and representatives. Oath Keepers et al, where is assassination mentioned in the Constitution???",
">\n\nWednesday night is meatloaf night, boys.",
">\n\nAnd the simple fact that the GQP doesn’t denounce these people and make a public stand against their behavior is exactly why no one should trust a single one of them or allow them ANY jurisdiction until the party is dismantled and/ or entirely reformed.",
">\n\nThese guys are so wierd looking!"
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The guys with federal charges will probably be pardoned by the next Republican president. Just like with January 6th, the vast majority of conservatives have been convinced with literally zero evidence that both of these events were completely conjured up by the FBI and that none of the people convicted did anything wrong. They won't be able to avoid it because someone will inevitably put it on the table during the primary and all will have follow suit to not lose the maga base. That being said, it's not like they actually give a shit about keeping said promises, so who the hell knows.
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[
"At one point, Croft told allies: “I don’t like seeing anybody get killed either. But you don’t make an omelet without breaking a few eggs, you know what I mean?”\n\nI’ve never heard someone compassionate, full of empathy doing good for the world pull out that saying. It’s always someone trying to minimize some bullshit.",
">\n\nEvil is banal and mundane. As Hannah Arendt observes in her book Eichmann in Jerusalem, evil people like that use stock phrases and self-invented clichés, including ... you don’t make an omelet without breaking a few eggs ..., to justify their behaviour and lack of critical thinking. People delude themselves into believing they're genuinely good, righteous people.",
">\n\nYep, no one thinks \"muahaha, I am evil!\"",
">\n\nI mean, there’s some people that do. There was a certain subset of Nazis working in the prison camps who knew exactly what was going on, and genuinely enjoyed being there. Same with the Christian missionaries who enacted genocide on the natives - there were priests and nuns in those Catholic schools who willfully abused (and even murdered) kids. \nGenuine psychopaths exist. They’re the minority, but they’re out there. The “banality of evil” problem is that the Nazis and the Catholic church set up entire systems that protected and enabled them.",
">\n\nThe torturers during the inquisition LOVED their work. They got points for doing Gods work and the further blessing of women to rape in ingenuous ways.",
">\n\nLet Croft and Fox rot for the next decade and a half. We’ll see how militant they are when they’re in their late 60s and have aged in the US prison system.",
">\n\nProbably…. More so?",
">\n\nMore so, but no one will go near them. A plot like that, they won't be able to walk past a laptop without the FBI knowing where they are after they're out. No one in their right mind would bring them back into their group.",
">\n\nImagine being so angry at being made to wear masks indoors, you plot to kill a government official, and will now spend the rest of your productive life behind bars ( he's 47 now). All because of having to wear a mask in Wal-Mart!",
">\n\nWhen you lose your freedoms because you don't understand your freedoms.",
">\n\nLoosing your freedoms because you stood up for your freedums…..",
">\n\nThis was a good one",
">\n\nNot really",
">\n\nYesterday the guy who was sentenced looked like a potato and this one looks like the kind of guy who would throw rocks at you for walking near his gold digging spot",
">\n\nGrew up in Michigan. Me: \"Shit, I think I know that guy...oh good, no, it's just his doppelganger.\" Both f-ing times.",
">\n\nSame. My first fear was that at least one of them would turn out to be a family member. Thankfully none... but many look awfully familiar.",
">\n\nProbably about time to take down the “My governor is an idiot” yard signs, Michiganders.",
">\n\nFinding out intensifies……",
">\n\n“(Defense attorney) Blanchard, who got emotional in the courtroom when speaking about Croft’s three children, told reporters outside the courthouse that the sentence means Croft will not get to see his kids grow up.”\nWell, when you try to kidnap and assassinate a governor because you don’t want to wear a mask or stay 6’ away from people because of a fucking pandemic, bad things end up happening to you. \n“Blanchard also maintained that Croft wasn’t the “ideas guy” he’s been portrayed as. He insisted that “most of what Mr. Croft said was excluded because the government didn’t want the jury to hear it.” “\nYeah, it’s not that the “government didn’t want the jury to hear it”. Court doesn’t work that way. The defense attorney didn’t get the testimony excluded. If Croft had a better attorney he might have gotten off, or a lighter sentence. \nThis Blanchard puke is as bad as the felons he represented. Crybaby failure all the way around…",
">\n\nHim not seeing his kids is probably the best thing for them. We don’t need more copies of him.",
">\n\nLooks like that \"the FBI are the ones who suggested it to us and egged us on\" defense didn't hold up.",
">\n\nBecause it was a lie.",
">\n\nNot on the \"gateway pundit,\" where they throw all kinds of insane, exaggerated reasons for ultra-maga crimes\nthat site is one of my favorite hate reads",
">\n\n\n“This man is fully radicalized. He hasn’t changed his viewpoint,” Kessler added. “He’s not admitting the ideas are wrong because he still holds them. This whole thing was Mr. Croft’s idea.”\n\n-\n\nA different jury in Grand Rapids couldn’t reach a verdict on the pair at the first trial last spring but acquitted two other men.\n\nMan, it sounds more and more like the first trial just had (at least) one Michigan Militia type who would have never convicted on any grounds at all.",
">\n\nI just find it hilarious that this group who claimed they were so aware of big government terror compared to us sheep. ..was infiltrated by a FBI informant rather easily lol.\nI'd say I'd wanna see the movie one day but it's probably just the FBI informant making a Facebook posting down with liberals and he was welcomed with open arms.\nEdit - I just realized that it seems I'm making light of the FBI informants job. I am not. I could not do that job and be looking over my shoulder basically not living my own life for months to years.",
">\n\nIt wasn't even an FBI agent, it was just some former military dude who joined their military gun drill club and heard their very detailed plot to execute cops and told his cop buddy about it. The cop buddy was like, fuck, that sounds real lemme ask the FBI what to do. The FBI told the guy, hey, can you, like, stay friends with them and just kinda let us know if they do anything really crazy like ask where to buy a bomb to blow up a bridge?\nAnd then they were like, shit, we need a bomb to blow up a bridge as a diversion. You were in the military, do you know anyone? And the dude was like, uh, yeah, let me ask my old buddy Fred Ben Iver.",
">\n\nThey need to do some of that kind of work to grab whoever is behind all of the power stations being hit.",
">\n\nIt is very likely it is completely separate groups. The white supremacist movement (which all this antigovernmental stuff right now is part of and/or grew out of), does everything they can to stay autonomous so that if one cell goes down there is no connection. They can spread their ideology and tactics by just putting them out there on certain forums and are never directly involved, yet have the freedom of speech cover.",
">\n\nIts probably going to be a rite of passage, like being jumped into a gang. Except it is also like having a Canadian girlfriend.\nIf you want domestic terrorist clout at the local watering hole you brag, \"You know that electrical substation that got taken out? Not saying I was directly involved, but not necessarily denying either.\"\nTo Law Enforcement you say, \"That's a lie. Ah gots rats!!\"\nSchrodinger's Terrorist.",
">\n\nHe looks like the kinda guy who’d try to buy bank robbery supplies from a pawn shop.",
">\n\nShort response: good. Longer response? Goooooooooooooooood.",
">\n\nTwo more 'o' and you'd have one for each year of his sentence.",
">\n\nAnother dumb fuck becomes a burden on taxpayers.",
">\n\nLet’s be honest: they were probably a burden to taxpayers beforehand.",
">\n\nYou know, kidnapping and killing US government officials isn't a good thing to do. Even if Trump says to do it.",
">\n\nYou got a weird way of spelling eventually.",
">\n\nWhat kind of country are we becoming where you cannot even kidnap your Governors? /sarcasm",
">\n\n19 years in prison essentially over not wanting to wear a mask.",
">\n\nMore like 19 years because you closed my bar for a few weeks and that’s unacceptable to redneck Michigan.",
">\n\nwell, if you still watch fox news you’re probably upset by this verdict. tucker carlson will agree with you and tell you why. but this is a reality check and you might want to take a step back and reevaluate your life before you end up storming the capital again or attacking a power grid",
">\n\nGood. Fuck them all.9",
">\n\nPrimeee definition of fuck around and find out…imagine wasting 19 years of your life because you thought you were smart enough to hatch a terror attack on a fucking online message board that had fbi agents on it 💀💀and that baddie STILL won releection. \nenjoy prison biatch, go big gretch. she seems like a pretty cool lady.",
">\n\n\nJudge Robert J. Jonker described him as “the idea guy” behind the plot\n...\nDelaware, man didn’t actually have authority over others and often frustrated them because he “just kept talking.”\n\nInteresting that 'talker' of the group is getting hemmed up. Reminds me of another bigly idea guy who agitated a group of people to do crimes.",
">\n\nMore of this, judicial system.",
">\n\nBbbbbut the FBI made me do it!",
">\n\nLong compared to what? We got people locked up twice as long for weed in this country.",
">\n\nStill not long enough",
">\n\nI agree, but at least he’ll be about 67 when he gets out, the last of the prime years of his life taken away from him.",
">\n\nAnd I imagine he won't be in a very secure place financially when he leaves prison. It's not like he's going to leave in 16 years and then retire on some vast fortune. He'll need to work to survive and who's going to hire an extremist that tried to murder a government official? He'll be lucky to get employed as \"janitor for the McDonald's in the really bad part of town.\" \nAnd while I'm sure he'll blame all his troubles on \"liberals/socialists/Democrats/non-whites/etc,\" the only person truly responsible for how his life ended up will be himself.",
">\n\nWell, there is always the option for these type of people to get a job at Fox or OAN…",
">\n\nI think you have to succeed in your crimes to be offered a prime-time slot on Fox. (or be guest of honor for the GOP)",
">\n\nWow, the \"find out\" stage really did him up the butt.",
">\n\nSometimes, you can judge a book by its cover…",
">\n\nHope he dies in prison. Fuck him.",
">\n\nIf the \"2A exists to protect us against tyranny\" argument was a person.",
">\n\nAnd \"tyranny\" to them means anything they don't personally agree with.",
">\n\n\nAnd \"tyranny\" to them means anything they don't personally agree with.\n\nOr someone reading books to children at a library in drag.",
">\n\nWhat is the obsession with reading sexulized stories to kids in drag? I mean lighten up?",
">\n\nWhy are the people who tried to kidnap a governor getting such harsher penalties than the people who broke into congress, assaulted police, tried to kill members of congress, and tried to overthrow the government?",
">\n\nHonestly, do you think these inbred dipshits still expect Trump to rescue them? Or have the learned that they were pawns in the biggest con in US history?",
">\n\nHe’s still their hero although the Trump 2024 flags are dwindling slowly.",
">\n\nWhat about the people who radicalized them?",
">\n\nThose people are wealthy, so it's OK.",
">\n\nInteresting that these boneheads are getting significant time while many from Jan6 have not.",
">\n\nMost of the Jan 6th defendants so far have been the random goobers who just got caught up with the mob. Just like the schmucks in this case got a few years, while the ringleaders are getting the longer sentences.\nThe DoJ was taking its time with the cases against the bigger fish as far as Jan 6th goes, because those charges are harder to make stick. The guys facing charges like seditious conspiracy are looking at 60+ years.",
">\n\nHe looks like one of those men you’d see in an 1800’s photo in the background on some field next to a moonshine still.",
">\n\nI haven't followed this closely. Why did a Delaware trucker care about the state government of Michigan?",
">\n\n“Liberate Michigan” rhetoric",
">\n\nI feel like these guys all have a similar fashion sense",
">\n\nNeck Beard Brigade",
">\n\nIn the 60s we were told Americans had to go to Vietnam to save democracy because the Viet Cong were kidnapping and assassinating democratically elected judges and representatives. Oath Keepers et al, where is assassination mentioned in the Constitution???",
">\n\nWednesday night is meatloaf night, boys.",
">\n\nAnd the simple fact that the GQP doesn’t denounce these people and make a public stand against their behavior is exactly why no one should trust a single one of them or allow them ANY jurisdiction until the party is dismantled and/ or entirely reformed.",
">\n\nThese guys are so wierd looking!",
">\n\nI’m glad this happened but I seriously doubt it’ll change their or anyone else’s minds that’s as crazy as them.\nThis is definitely strengthen their resolve if anything because their insane."
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You are right about the pardons. The next Republican president will pardon all of these traitorous terrorists and set them back to work, going after political targets they give them….
EDIT: updated to correct my misread of your initial comment.
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[
"At one point, Croft told allies: “I don’t like seeing anybody get killed either. But you don’t make an omelet without breaking a few eggs, you know what I mean?”\n\nI’ve never heard someone compassionate, full of empathy doing good for the world pull out that saying. It’s always someone trying to minimize some bullshit.",
">\n\nEvil is banal and mundane. As Hannah Arendt observes in her book Eichmann in Jerusalem, evil people like that use stock phrases and self-invented clichés, including ... you don’t make an omelet without breaking a few eggs ..., to justify their behaviour and lack of critical thinking. People delude themselves into believing they're genuinely good, righteous people.",
">\n\nYep, no one thinks \"muahaha, I am evil!\"",
">\n\nI mean, there’s some people that do. There was a certain subset of Nazis working in the prison camps who knew exactly what was going on, and genuinely enjoyed being there. Same with the Christian missionaries who enacted genocide on the natives - there were priests and nuns in those Catholic schools who willfully abused (and even murdered) kids. \nGenuine psychopaths exist. They’re the minority, but they’re out there. The “banality of evil” problem is that the Nazis and the Catholic church set up entire systems that protected and enabled them.",
">\n\nThe torturers during the inquisition LOVED their work. They got points for doing Gods work and the further blessing of women to rape in ingenuous ways.",
">\n\nLet Croft and Fox rot for the next decade and a half. We’ll see how militant they are when they’re in their late 60s and have aged in the US prison system.",
">\n\nProbably…. More so?",
">\n\nMore so, but no one will go near them. A plot like that, they won't be able to walk past a laptop without the FBI knowing where they are after they're out. No one in their right mind would bring them back into their group.",
">\n\nImagine being so angry at being made to wear masks indoors, you plot to kill a government official, and will now spend the rest of your productive life behind bars ( he's 47 now). All because of having to wear a mask in Wal-Mart!",
">\n\nWhen you lose your freedoms because you don't understand your freedoms.",
">\n\nLoosing your freedoms because you stood up for your freedums…..",
">\n\nThis was a good one",
">\n\nNot really",
">\n\nYesterday the guy who was sentenced looked like a potato and this one looks like the kind of guy who would throw rocks at you for walking near his gold digging spot",
">\n\nGrew up in Michigan. Me: \"Shit, I think I know that guy...oh good, no, it's just his doppelganger.\" Both f-ing times.",
">\n\nSame. My first fear was that at least one of them would turn out to be a family member. Thankfully none... but many look awfully familiar.",
">\n\nProbably about time to take down the “My governor is an idiot” yard signs, Michiganders.",
">\n\nFinding out intensifies……",
">\n\n“(Defense attorney) Blanchard, who got emotional in the courtroom when speaking about Croft’s three children, told reporters outside the courthouse that the sentence means Croft will not get to see his kids grow up.”\nWell, when you try to kidnap and assassinate a governor because you don’t want to wear a mask or stay 6’ away from people because of a fucking pandemic, bad things end up happening to you. \n“Blanchard also maintained that Croft wasn’t the “ideas guy” he’s been portrayed as. He insisted that “most of what Mr. Croft said was excluded because the government didn’t want the jury to hear it.” “\nYeah, it’s not that the “government didn’t want the jury to hear it”. Court doesn’t work that way. The defense attorney didn’t get the testimony excluded. If Croft had a better attorney he might have gotten off, or a lighter sentence. \nThis Blanchard puke is as bad as the felons he represented. Crybaby failure all the way around…",
">\n\nHim not seeing his kids is probably the best thing for them. We don’t need more copies of him.",
">\n\nLooks like that \"the FBI are the ones who suggested it to us and egged us on\" defense didn't hold up.",
">\n\nBecause it was a lie.",
">\n\nNot on the \"gateway pundit,\" where they throw all kinds of insane, exaggerated reasons for ultra-maga crimes\nthat site is one of my favorite hate reads",
">\n\n\n“This man is fully radicalized. He hasn’t changed his viewpoint,” Kessler added. “He’s not admitting the ideas are wrong because he still holds them. This whole thing was Mr. Croft’s idea.”\n\n-\n\nA different jury in Grand Rapids couldn’t reach a verdict on the pair at the first trial last spring but acquitted two other men.\n\nMan, it sounds more and more like the first trial just had (at least) one Michigan Militia type who would have never convicted on any grounds at all.",
">\n\nI just find it hilarious that this group who claimed they were so aware of big government terror compared to us sheep. ..was infiltrated by a FBI informant rather easily lol.\nI'd say I'd wanna see the movie one day but it's probably just the FBI informant making a Facebook posting down with liberals and he was welcomed with open arms.\nEdit - I just realized that it seems I'm making light of the FBI informants job. I am not. I could not do that job and be looking over my shoulder basically not living my own life for months to years.",
">\n\nIt wasn't even an FBI agent, it was just some former military dude who joined their military gun drill club and heard their very detailed plot to execute cops and told his cop buddy about it. The cop buddy was like, fuck, that sounds real lemme ask the FBI what to do. The FBI told the guy, hey, can you, like, stay friends with them and just kinda let us know if they do anything really crazy like ask where to buy a bomb to blow up a bridge?\nAnd then they were like, shit, we need a bomb to blow up a bridge as a diversion. You were in the military, do you know anyone? And the dude was like, uh, yeah, let me ask my old buddy Fred Ben Iver.",
">\n\nThey need to do some of that kind of work to grab whoever is behind all of the power stations being hit.",
">\n\nIt is very likely it is completely separate groups. The white supremacist movement (which all this antigovernmental stuff right now is part of and/or grew out of), does everything they can to stay autonomous so that if one cell goes down there is no connection. They can spread their ideology and tactics by just putting them out there on certain forums and are never directly involved, yet have the freedom of speech cover.",
">\n\nIts probably going to be a rite of passage, like being jumped into a gang. Except it is also like having a Canadian girlfriend.\nIf you want domestic terrorist clout at the local watering hole you brag, \"You know that electrical substation that got taken out? Not saying I was directly involved, but not necessarily denying either.\"\nTo Law Enforcement you say, \"That's a lie. Ah gots rats!!\"\nSchrodinger's Terrorist.",
">\n\nHe looks like the kinda guy who’d try to buy bank robbery supplies from a pawn shop.",
">\n\nShort response: good. Longer response? Goooooooooooooooood.",
">\n\nTwo more 'o' and you'd have one for each year of his sentence.",
">\n\nAnother dumb fuck becomes a burden on taxpayers.",
">\n\nLet’s be honest: they were probably a burden to taxpayers beforehand.",
">\n\nYou know, kidnapping and killing US government officials isn't a good thing to do. Even if Trump says to do it.",
">\n\nYou got a weird way of spelling eventually.",
">\n\nWhat kind of country are we becoming where you cannot even kidnap your Governors? /sarcasm",
">\n\n19 years in prison essentially over not wanting to wear a mask.",
">\n\nMore like 19 years because you closed my bar for a few weeks and that’s unacceptable to redneck Michigan.",
">\n\nwell, if you still watch fox news you’re probably upset by this verdict. tucker carlson will agree with you and tell you why. but this is a reality check and you might want to take a step back and reevaluate your life before you end up storming the capital again or attacking a power grid",
">\n\nGood. Fuck them all.9",
">\n\nPrimeee definition of fuck around and find out…imagine wasting 19 years of your life because you thought you were smart enough to hatch a terror attack on a fucking online message board that had fbi agents on it 💀💀and that baddie STILL won releection. \nenjoy prison biatch, go big gretch. she seems like a pretty cool lady.",
">\n\n\nJudge Robert J. Jonker described him as “the idea guy” behind the plot\n...\nDelaware, man didn’t actually have authority over others and often frustrated them because he “just kept talking.”\n\nInteresting that 'talker' of the group is getting hemmed up. Reminds me of another bigly idea guy who agitated a group of people to do crimes.",
">\n\nMore of this, judicial system.",
">\n\nBbbbbut the FBI made me do it!",
">\n\nLong compared to what? We got people locked up twice as long for weed in this country.",
">\n\nStill not long enough",
">\n\nI agree, but at least he’ll be about 67 when he gets out, the last of the prime years of his life taken away from him.",
">\n\nAnd I imagine he won't be in a very secure place financially when he leaves prison. It's not like he's going to leave in 16 years and then retire on some vast fortune. He'll need to work to survive and who's going to hire an extremist that tried to murder a government official? He'll be lucky to get employed as \"janitor for the McDonald's in the really bad part of town.\" \nAnd while I'm sure he'll blame all his troubles on \"liberals/socialists/Democrats/non-whites/etc,\" the only person truly responsible for how his life ended up will be himself.",
">\n\nWell, there is always the option for these type of people to get a job at Fox or OAN…",
">\n\nI think you have to succeed in your crimes to be offered a prime-time slot on Fox. (or be guest of honor for the GOP)",
">\n\nWow, the \"find out\" stage really did him up the butt.",
">\n\nSometimes, you can judge a book by its cover…",
">\n\nHope he dies in prison. Fuck him.",
">\n\nIf the \"2A exists to protect us against tyranny\" argument was a person.",
">\n\nAnd \"tyranny\" to them means anything they don't personally agree with.",
">\n\n\nAnd \"tyranny\" to them means anything they don't personally agree with.\n\nOr someone reading books to children at a library in drag.",
">\n\nWhat is the obsession with reading sexulized stories to kids in drag? I mean lighten up?",
">\n\nWhy are the people who tried to kidnap a governor getting such harsher penalties than the people who broke into congress, assaulted police, tried to kill members of congress, and tried to overthrow the government?",
">\n\nHonestly, do you think these inbred dipshits still expect Trump to rescue them? Or have the learned that they were pawns in the biggest con in US history?",
">\n\nHe’s still their hero although the Trump 2024 flags are dwindling slowly.",
">\n\nWhat about the people who radicalized them?",
">\n\nThose people are wealthy, so it's OK.",
">\n\nInteresting that these boneheads are getting significant time while many from Jan6 have not.",
">\n\nMost of the Jan 6th defendants so far have been the random goobers who just got caught up with the mob. Just like the schmucks in this case got a few years, while the ringleaders are getting the longer sentences.\nThe DoJ was taking its time with the cases against the bigger fish as far as Jan 6th goes, because those charges are harder to make stick. The guys facing charges like seditious conspiracy are looking at 60+ years.",
">\n\nHe looks like one of those men you’d see in an 1800’s photo in the background on some field next to a moonshine still.",
">\n\nI haven't followed this closely. Why did a Delaware trucker care about the state government of Michigan?",
">\n\n“Liberate Michigan” rhetoric",
">\n\nI feel like these guys all have a similar fashion sense",
">\n\nNeck Beard Brigade",
">\n\nIn the 60s we were told Americans had to go to Vietnam to save democracy because the Viet Cong were kidnapping and assassinating democratically elected judges and representatives. Oath Keepers et al, where is assassination mentioned in the Constitution???",
">\n\nWednesday night is meatloaf night, boys.",
">\n\nAnd the simple fact that the GQP doesn’t denounce these people and make a public stand against their behavior is exactly why no one should trust a single one of them or allow them ANY jurisdiction until the party is dismantled and/ or entirely reformed.",
">\n\nThese guys are so wierd looking!",
">\n\nI’m glad this happened but I seriously doubt it’ll change their or anyone else’s minds that’s as crazy as them.\nThis is definitely strengthen their resolve if anything because their insane.",
">\n\nThe guys with federal charges will probably be pardoned by the next Republican president. Just like with January 6th, the vast majority of conservatives have been convinced with literally zero evidence that both of these events were completely conjured up by the FBI and that none of the people convicted did anything wrong. They won't be able to avoid it because someone will inevitably put it on the table during the primary and all will have follow suit to not lose the maga base. That being said, it's not like they actually give a shit about keeping said promises, so who the hell knows."
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Read it again.. you’ve swapped out convinced and convicted
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"At one point, Croft told allies: “I don’t like seeing anybody get killed either. But you don’t make an omelet without breaking a few eggs, you know what I mean?”\n\nI’ve never heard someone compassionate, full of empathy doing good for the world pull out that saying. It’s always someone trying to minimize some bullshit.",
">\n\nEvil is banal and mundane. As Hannah Arendt observes in her book Eichmann in Jerusalem, evil people like that use stock phrases and self-invented clichés, including ... you don’t make an omelet without breaking a few eggs ..., to justify their behaviour and lack of critical thinking. People delude themselves into believing they're genuinely good, righteous people.",
">\n\nYep, no one thinks \"muahaha, I am evil!\"",
">\n\nI mean, there’s some people that do. There was a certain subset of Nazis working in the prison camps who knew exactly what was going on, and genuinely enjoyed being there. Same with the Christian missionaries who enacted genocide on the natives - there were priests and nuns in those Catholic schools who willfully abused (and even murdered) kids. \nGenuine psychopaths exist. They’re the minority, but they’re out there. The “banality of evil” problem is that the Nazis and the Catholic church set up entire systems that protected and enabled them.",
">\n\nThe torturers during the inquisition LOVED their work. They got points for doing Gods work and the further blessing of women to rape in ingenuous ways.",
">\n\nLet Croft and Fox rot for the next decade and a half. We’ll see how militant they are when they’re in their late 60s and have aged in the US prison system.",
">\n\nProbably…. More so?",
">\n\nMore so, but no one will go near them. A plot like that, they won't be able to walk past a laptop without the FBI knowing where they are after they're out. No one in their right mind would bring them back into their group.",
">\n\nImagine being so angry at being made to wear masks indoors, you plot to kill a government official, and will now spend the rest of your productive life behind bars ( he's 47 now). All because of having to wear a mask in Wal-Mart!",
">\n\nWhen you lose your freedoms because you don't understand your freedoms.",
">\n\nLoosing your freedoms because you stood up for your freedums…..",
">\n\nThis was a good one",
">\n\nNot really",
">\n\nYesterday the guy who was sentenced looked like a potato and this one looks like the kind of guy who would throw rocks at you for walking near his gold digging spot",
">\n\nGrew up in Michigan. Me: \"Shit, I think I know that guy...oh good, no, it's just his doppelganger.\" Both f-ing times.",
">\n\nSame. My first fear was that at least one of them would turn out to be a family member. Thankfully none... but many look awfully familiar.",
">\n\nProbably about time to take down the “My governor is an idiot” yard signs, Michiganders.",
">\n\nFinding out intensifies……",
">\n\n“(Defense attorney) Blanchard, who got emotional in the courtroom when speaking about Croft’s three children, told reporters outside the courthouse that the sentence means Croft will not get to see his kids grow up.”\nWell, when you try to kidnap and assassinate a governor because you don’t want to wear a mask or stay 6’ away from people because of a fucking pandemic, bad things end up happening to you. \n“Blanchard also maintained that Croft wasn’t the “ideas guy” he’s been portrayed as. He insisted that “most of what Mr. Croft said was excluded because the government didn’t want the jury to hear it.” “\nYeah, it’s not that the “government didn’t want the jury to hear it”. Court doesn’t work that way. The defense attorney didn’t get the testimony excluded. If Croft had a better attorney he might have gotten off, or a lighter sentence. \nThis Blanchard puke is as bad as the felons he represented. Crybaby failure all the way around…",
">\n\nHim not seeing his kids is probably the best thing for them. We don’t need more copies of him.",
">\n\nLooks like that \"the FBI are the ones who suggested it to us and egged us on\" defense didn't hold up.",
">\n\nBecause it was a lie.",
">\n\nNot on the \"gateway pundit,\" where they throw all kinds of insane, exaggerated reasons for ultra-maga crimes\nthat site is one of my favorite hate reads",
">\n\n\n“This man is fully radicalized. He hasn’t changed his viewpoint,” Kessler added. “He’s not admitting the ideas are wrong because he still holds them. This whole thing was Mr. Croft’s idea.”\n\n-\n\nA different jury in Grand Rapids couldn’t reach a verdict on the pair at the first trial last spring but acquitted two other men.\n\nMan, it sounds more and more like the first trial just had (at least) one Michigan Militia type who would have never convicted on any grounds at all.",
">\n\nI just find it hilarious that this group who claimed they were so aware of big government terror compared to us sheep. ..was infiltrated by a FBI informant rather easily lol.\nI'd say I'd wanna see the movie one day but it's probably just the FBI informant making a Facebook posting down with liberals and he was welcomed with open arms.\nEdit - I just realized that it seems I'm making light of the FBI informants job. I am not. I could not do that job and be looking over my shoulder basically not living my own life for months to years.",
">\n\nIt wasn't even an FBI agent, it was just some former military dude who joined their military gun drill club and heard their very detailed plot to execute cops and told his cop buddy about it. The cop buddy was like, fuck, that sounds real lemme ask the FBI what to do. The FBI told the guy, hey, can you, like, stay friends with them and just kinda let us know if they do anything really crazy like ask where to buy a bomb to blow up a bridge?\nAnd then they were like, shit, we need a bomb to blow up a bridge as a diversion. You were in the military, do you know anyone? And the dude was like, uh, yeah, let me ask my old buddy Fred Ben Iver.",
">\n\nThey need to do some of that kind of work to grab whoever is behind all of the power stations being hit.",
">\n\nIt is very likely it is completely separate groups. The white supremacist movement (which all this antigovernmental stuff right now is part of and/or grew out of), does everything they can to stay autonomous so that if one cell goes down there is no connection. They can spread their ideology and tactics by just putting them out there on certain forums and are never directly involved, yet have the freedom of speech cover.",
">\n\nIts probably going to be a rite of passage, like being jumped into a gang. Except it is also like having a Canadian girlfriend.\nIf you want domestic terrorist clout at the local watering hole you brag, \"You know that electrical substation that got taken out? Not saying I was directly involved, but not necessarily denying either.\"\nTo Law Enforcement you say, \"That's a lie. Ah gots rats!!\"\nSchrodinger's Terrorist.",
">\n\nHe looks like the kinda guy who’d try to buy bank robbery supplies from a pawn shop.",
">\n\nShort response: good. Longer response? Goooooooooooooooood.",
">\n\nTwo more 'o' and you'd have one for each year of his sentence.",
">\n\nAnother dumb fuck becomes a burden on taxpayers.",
">\n\nLet’s be honest: they were probably a burden to taxpayers beforehand.",
">\n\nYou know, kidnapping and killing US government officials isn't a good thing to do. Even if Trump says to do it.",
">\n\nYou got a weird way of spelling eventually.",
">\n\nWhat kind of country are we becoming where you cannot even kidnap your Governors? /sarcasm",
">\n\n19 years in prison essentially over not wanting to wear a mask.",
">\n\nMore like 19 years because you closed my bar for a few weeks and that’s unacceptable to redneck Michigan.",
">\n\nwell, if you still watch fox news you’re probably upset by this verdict. tucker carlson will agree with you and tell you why. but this is a reality check and you might want to take a step back and reevaluate your life before you end up storming the capital again or attacking a power grid",
">\n\nGood. Fuck them all.9",
">\n\nPrimeee definition of fuck around and find out…imagine wasting 19 years of your life because you thought you were smart enough to hatch a terror attack on a fucking online message board that had fbi agents on it 💀💀and that baddie STILL won releection. \nenjoy prison biatch, go big gretch. she seems like a pretty cool lady.",
">\n\n\nJudge Robert J. Jonker described him as “the idea guy” behind the plot\n...\nDelaware, man didn’t actually have authority over others and often frustrated them because he “just kept talking.”\n\nInteresting that 'talker' of the group is getting hemmed up. Reminds me of another bigly idea guy who agitated a group of people to do crimes.",
">\n\nMore of this, judicial system.",
">\n\nBbbbbut the FBI made me do it!",
">\n\nLong compared to what? We got people locked up twice as long for weed in this country.",
">\n\nStill not long enough",
">\n\nI agree, but at least he’ll be about 67 when he gets out, the last of the prime years of his life taken away from him.",
">\n\nAnd I imagine he won't be in a very secure place financially when he leaves prison. It's not like he's going to leave in 16 years and then retire on some vast fortune. He'll need to work to survive and who's going to hire an extremist that tried to murder a government official? He'll be lucky to get employed as \"janitor for the McDonald's in the really bad part of town.\" \nAnd while I'm sure he'll blame all his troubles on \"liberals/socialists/Democrats/non-whites/etc,\" the only person truly responsible for how his life ended up will be himself.",
">\n\nWell, there is always the option for these type of people to get a job at Fox or OAN…",
">\n\nI think you have to succeed in your crimes to be offered a prime-time slot on Fox. (or be guest of honor for the GOP)",
">\n\nWow, the \"find out\" stage really did him up the butt.",
">\n\nSometimes, you can judge a book by its cover…",
">\n\nHope he dies in prison. Fuck him.",
">\n\nIf the \"2A exists to protect us against tyranny\" argument was a person.",
">\n\nAnd \"tyranny\" to them means anything they don't personally agree with.",
">\n\n\nAnd \"tyranny\" to them means anything they don't personally agree with.\n\nOr someone reading books to children at a library in drag.",
">\n\nWhat is the obsession with reading sexulized stories to kids in drag? I mean lighten up?",
">\n\nWhy are the people who tried to kidnap a governor getting such harsher penalties than the people who broke into congress, assaulted police, tried to kill members of congress, and tried to overthrow the government?",
">\n\nHonestly, do you think these inbred dipshits still expect Trump to rescue them? Or have the learned that they were pawns in the biggest con in US history?",
">\n\nHe’s still their hero although the Trump 2024 flags are dwindling slowly.",
">\n\nWhat about the people who radicalized them?",
">\n\nThose people are wealthy, so it's OK.",
">\n\nInteresting that these boneheads are getting significant time while many from Jan6 have not.",
">\n\nMost of the Jan 6th defendants so far have been the random goobers who just got caught up with the mob. Just like the schmucks in this case got a few years, while the ringleaders are getting the longer sentences.\nThe DoJ was taking its time with the cases against the bigger fish as far as Jan 6th goes, because those charges are harder to make stick. The guys facing charges like seditious conspiracy are looking at 60+ years.",
">\n\nHe looks like one of those men you’d see in an 1800’s photo in the background on some field next to a moonshine still.",
">\n\nI haven't followed this closely. Why did a Delaware trucker care about the state government of Michigan?",
">\n\n“Liberate Michigan” rhetoric",
">\n\nI feel like these guys all have a similar fashion sense",
">\n\nNeck Beard Brigade",
">\n\nIn the 60s we were told Americans had to go to Vietnam to save democracy because the Viet Cong were kidnapping and assassinating democratically elected judges and representatives. Oath Keepers et al, where is assassination mentioned in the Constitution???",
">\n\nWednesday night is meatloaf night, boys.",
">\n\nAnd the simple fact that the GQP doesn’t denounce these people and make a public stand against their behavior is exactly why no one should trust a single one of them or allow them ANY jurisdiction until the party is dismantled and/ or entirely reformed.",
">\n\nThese guys are so wierd looking!",
">\n\nI’m glad this happened but I seriously doubt it’ll change their or anyone else’s minds that’s as crazy as them.\nThis is definitely strengthen their resolve if anything because their insane.",
">\n\nThe guys with federal charges will probably be pardoned by the next Republican president. Just like with January 6th, the vast majority of conservatives have been convinced with literally zero evidence that both of these events were completely conjured up by the FBI and that none of the people convicted did anything wrong. They won't be able to avoid it because someone will inevitably put it on the table during the primary and all will have follow suit to not lose the maga base. That being said, it's not like they actually give a shit about keeping said promises, so who the hell knows.",
">\n\nYou are right about the pardons. The next Republican president will pardon all of these traitorous terrorists and set them back to work, going after political targets they give them….\nEDIT: updated to correct my misread of your initial comment."
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I am usually not for the death penalty, but this one makes me question my moral compass.
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[
"At one point, Croft told allies: “I don’t like seeing anybody get killed either. But you don’t make an omelet without breaking a few eggs, you know what I mean?”\n\nI’ve never heard someone compassionate, full of empathy doing good for the world pull out that saying. It’s always someone trying to minimize some bullshit.",
">\n\nEvil is banal and mundane. As Hannah Arendt observes in her book Eichmann in Jerusalem, evil people like that use stock phrases and self-invented clichés, including ... you don’t make an omelet without breaking a few eggs ..., to justify their behaviour and lack of critical thinking. People delude themselves into believing they're genuinely good, righteous people.",
">\n\nYep, no one thinks \"muahaha, I am evil!\"",
">\n\nI mean, there’s some people that do. There was a certain subset of Nazis working in the prison camps who knew exactly what was going on, and genuinely enjoyed being there. Same with the Christian missionaries who enacted genocide on the natives - there were priests and nuns in those Catholic schools who willfully abused (and even murdered) kids. \nGenuine psychopaths exist. They’re the minority, but they’re out there. The “banality of evil” problem is that the Nazis and the Catholic church set up entire systems that protected and enabled them.",
">\n\nThe torturers during the inquisition LOVED their work. They got points for doing Gods work and the further blessing of women to rape in ingenuous ways.",
">\n\nLet Croft and Fox rot for the next decade and a half. We’ll see how militant they are when they’re in their late 60s and have aged in the US prison system.",
">\n\nProbably…. More so?",
">\n\nMore so, but no one will go near them. A plot like that, they won't be able to walk past a laptop without the FBI knowing where they are after they're out. No one in their right mind would bring them back into their group.",
">\n\nImagine being so angry at being made to wear masks indoors, you plot to kill a government official, and will now spend the rest of your productive life behind bars ( he's 47 now). All because of having to wear a mask in Wal-Mart!",
">\n\nWhen you lose your freedoms because you don't understand your freedoms.",
">\n\nLoosing your freedoms because you stood up for your freedums…..",
">\n\nThis was a good one",
">\n\nNot really",
">\n\nYesterday the guy who was sentenced looked like a potato and this one looks like the kind of guy who would throw rocks at you for walking near his gold digging spot",
">\n\nGrew up in Michigan. Me: \"Shit, I think I know that guy...oh good, no, it's just his doppelganger.\" Both f-ing times.",
">\n\nSame. My first fear was that at least one of them would turn out to be a family member. Thankfully none... but many look awfully familiar.",
">\n\nProbably about time to take down the “My governor is an idiot” yard signs, Michiganders.",
">\n\nFinding out intensifies……",
">\n\n“(Defense attorney) Blanchard, who got emotional in the courtroom when speaking about Croft’s three children, told reporters outside the courthouse that the sentence means Croft will not get to see his kids grow up.”\nWell, when you try to kidnap and assassinate a governor because you don’t want to wear a mask or stay 6’ away from people because of a fucking pandemic, bad things end up happening to you. \n“Blanchard also maintained that Croft wasn’t the “ideas guy” he’s been portrayed as. He insisted that “most of what Mr. Croft said was excluded because the government didn’t want the jury to hear it.” “\nYeah, it’s not that the “government didn’t want the jury to hear it”. Court doesn’t work that way. The defense attorney didn’t get the testimony excluded. If Croft had a better attorney he might have gotten off, or a lighter sentence. \nThis Blanchard puke is as bad as the felons he represented. Crybaby failure all the way around…",
">\n\nHim not seeing his kids is probably the best thing for them. We don’t need more copies of him.",
">\n\nLooks like that \"the FBI are the ones who suggested it to us and egged us on\" defense didn't hold up.",
">\n\nBecause it was a lie.",
">\n\nNot on the \"gateway pundit,\" where they throw all kinds of insane, exaggerated reasons for ultra-maga crimes\nthat site is one of my favorite hate reads",
">\n\n\n“This man is fully radicalized. He hasn’t changed his viewpoint,” Kessler added. “He’s not admitting the ideas are wrong because he still holds them. This whole thing was Mr. Croft’s idea.”\n\n-\n\nA different jury in Grand Rapids couldn’t reach a verdict on the pair at the first trial last spring but acquitted two other men.\n\nMan, it sounds more and more like the first trial just had (at least) one Michigan Militia type who would have never convicted on any grounds at all.",
">\n\nI just find it hilarious that this group who claimed they were so aware of big government terror compared to us sheep. ..was infiltrated by a FBI informant rather easily lol.\nI'd say I'd wanna see the movie one day but it's probably just the FBI informant making a Facebook posting down with liberals and he was welcomed with open arms.\nEdit - I just realized that it seems I'm making light of the FBI informants job. I am not. I could not do that job and be looking over my shoulder basically not living my own life for months to years.",
">\n\nIt wasn't even an FBI agent, it was just some former military dude who joined their military gun drill club and heard their very detailed plot to execute cops and told his cop buddy about it. The cop buddy was like, fuck, that sounds real lemme ask the FBI what to do. The FBI told the guy, hey, can you, like, stay friends with them and just kinda let us know if they do anything really crazy like ask where to buy a bomb to blow up a bridge?\nAnd then they were like, shit, we need a bomb to blow up a bridge as a diversion. You were in the military, do you know anyone? And the dude was like, uh, yeah, let me ask my old buddy Fred Ben Iver.",
">\n\nThey need to do some of that kind of work to grab whoever is behind all of the power stations being hit.",
">\n\nIt is very likely it is completely separate groups. The white supremacist movement (which all this antigovernmental stuff right now is part of and/or grew out of), does everything they can to stay autonomous so that if one cell goes down there is no connection. They can spread their ideology and tactics by just putting them out there on certain forums and are never directly involved, yet have the freedom of speech cover.",
">\n\nIts probably going to be a rite of passage, like being jumped into a gang. Except it is also like having a Canadian girlfriend.\nIf you want domestic terrorist clout at the local watering hole you brag, \"You know that electrical substation that got taken out? Not saying I was directly involved, but not necessarily denying either.\"\nTo Law Enforcement you say, \"That's a lie. Ah gots rats!!\"\nSchrodinger's Terrorist.",
">\n\nHe looks like the kinda guy who’d try to buy bank robbery supplies from a pawn shop.",
">\n\nShort response: good. Longer response? Goooooooooooooooood.",
">\n\nTwo more 'o' and you'd have one for each year of his sentence.",
">\n\nAnother dumb fuck becomes a burden on taxpayers.",
">\n\nLet’s be honest: they were probably a burden to taxpayers beforehand.",
">\n\nYou know, kidnapping and killing US government officials isn't a good thing to do. Even if Trump says to do it.",
">\n\nYou got a weird way of spelling eventually.",
">\n\nWhat kind of country are we becoming where you cannot even kidnap your Governors? /sarcasm",
">\n\n19 years in prison essentially over not wanting to wear a mask.",
">\n\nMore like 19 years because you closed my bar for a few weeks and that’s unacceptable to redneck Michigan.",
">\n\nwell, if you still watch fox news you’re probably upset by this verdict. tucker carlson will agree with you and tell you why. but this is a reality check and you might want to take a step back and reevaluate your life before you end up storming the capital again or attacking a power grid",
">\n\nGood. Fuck them all.9",
">\n\nPrimeee definition of fuck around and find out…imagine wasting 19 years of your life because you thought you were smart enough to hatch a terror attack on a fucking online message board that had fbi agents on it 💀💀and that baddie STILL won releection. \nenjoy prison biatch, go big gretch. she seems like a pretty cool lady.",
">\n\n\nJudge Robert J. Jonker described him as “the idea guy” behind the plot\n...\nDelaware, man didn’t actually have authority over others and often frustrated them because he “just kept talking.”\n\nInteresting that 'talker' of the group is getting hemmed up. Reminds me of another bigly idea guy who agitated a group of people to do crimes.",
">\n\nMore of this, judicial system.",
">\n\nBbbbbut the FBI made me do it!",
">\n\nLong compared to what? We got people locked up twice as long for weed in this country.",
">\n\nStill not long enough",
">\n\nI agree, but at least he’ll be about 67 when he gets out, the last of the prime years of his life taken away from him.",
">\n\nAnd I imagine he won't be in a very secure place financially when he leaves prison. It's not like he's going to leave in 16 years and then retire on some vast fortune. He'll need to work to survive and who's going to hire an extremist that tried to murder a government official? He'll be lucky to get employed as \"janitor for the McDonald's in the really bad part of town.\" \nAnd while I'm sure he'll blame all his troubles on \"liberals/socialists/Democrats/non-whites/etc,\" the only person truly responsible for how his life ended up will be himself.",
">\n\nWell, there is always the option for these type of people to get a job at Fox or OAN…",
">\n\nI think you have to succeed in your crimes to be offered a prime-time slot on Fox. (or be guest of honor for the GOP)",
">\n\nWow, the \"find out\" stage really did him up the butt.",
">\n\nSometimes, you can judge a book by its cover…",
">\n\nHope he dies in prison. Fuck him.",
">\n\nIf the \"2A exists to protect us against tyranny\" argument was a person.",
">\n\nAnd \"tyranny\" to them means anything they don't personally agree with.",
">\n\n\nAnd \"tyranny\" to them means anything they don't personally agree with.\n\nOr someone reading books to children at a library in drag.",
">\n\nWhat is the obsession with reading sexulized stories to kids in drag? I mean lighten up?",
">\n\nWhy are the people who tried to kidnap a governor getting such harsher penalties than the people who broke into congress, assaulted police, tried to kill members of congress, and tried to overthrow the government?",
">\n\nHonestly, do you think these inbred dipshits still expect Trump to rescue them? Or have the learned that they were pawns in the biggest con in US history?",
">\n\nHe’s still their hero although the Trump 2024 flags are dwindling slowly.",
">\n\nWhat about the people who radicalized them?",
">\n\nThose people are wealthy, so it's OK.",
">\n\nInteresting that these boneheads are getting significant time while many from Jan6 have not.",
">\n\nMost of the Jan 6th defendants so far have been the random goobers who just got caught up with the mob. Just like the schmucks in this case got a few years, while the ringleaders are getting the longer sentences.\nThe DoJ was taking its time with the cases against the bigger fish as far as Jan 6th goes, because those charges are harder to make stick. The guys facing charges like seditious conspiracy are looking at 60+ years.",
">\n\nHe looks like one of those men you’d see in an 1800’s photo in the background on some field next to a moonshine still.",
">\n\nI haven't followed this closely. Why did a Delaware trucker care about the state government of Michigan?",
">\n\n“Liberate Michigan” rhetoric",
">\n\nI feel like these guys all have a similar fashion sense",
">\n\nNeck Beard Brigade",
">\n\nIn the 60s we were told Americans had to go to Vietnam to save democracy because the Viet Cong were kidnapping and assassinating democratically elected judges and representatives. Oath Keepers et al, where is assassination mentioned in the Constitution???",
">\n\nWednesday night is meatloaf night, boys.",
">\n\nAnd the simple fact that the GQP doesn’t denounce these people and make a public stand against their behavior is exactly why no one should trust a single one of them or allow them ANY jurisdiction until the party is dismantled and/ or entirely reformed.",
">\n\nThese guys are so wierd looking!",
">\n\nI’m glad this happened but I seriously doubt it’ll change their or anyone else’s minds that’s as crazy as them.\nThis is definitely strengthen their resolve if anything because their insane.",
">\n\nThe guys with federal charges will probably be pardoned by the next Republican president. Just like with January 6th, the vast majority of conservatives have been convinced with literally zero evidence that both of these events were completely conjured up by the FBI and that none of the people convicted did anything wrong. They won't be able to avoid it because someone will inevitably put it on the table during the primary and all will have follow suit to not lose the maga base. That being said, it's not like they actually give a shit about keeping said promises, so who the hell knows.",
">\n\nYou are right about the pardons. The next Republican president will pardon all of these traitorous terrorists and set them back to work, going after political targets they give them….\nEDIT: updated to correct my misread of your initial comment.",
">\n\nRead it again.. you’ve swapped out convinced and convicted"
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No this is not death penalty material.
Now, open fire into a crowd and kill dozens? go for it. Rape and murder your children? Hang em high. A plot to kidnap or kill one politician? Like look, I like Whitmer, and I'm sure as fuck glad these assholes were caught, but they don't deserve death.
Hell they're all patsies as it is. They listen to Fox, and their local GOP candidate, and Trump, and these sad dumb individuals get tricked into thinking they could be the ones to take a stand against tyranny and save the world.
And the people that set them up to do it? In a best case, they eliminate a political rival; in a worst case some random schmucks go to jail. The ones that set them up for it won't get touched.
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"At one point, Croft told allies: “I don’t like seeing anybody get killed either. But you don’t make an omelet without breaking a few eggs, you know what I mean?”\n\nI’ve never heard someone compassionate, full of empathy doing good for the world pull out that saying. It’s always someone trying to minimize some bullshit.",
">\n\nEvil is banal and mundane. As Hannah Arendt observes in her book Eichmann in Jerusalem, evil people like that use stock phrases and self-invented clichés, including ... you don’t make an omelet without breaking a few eggs ..., to justify their behaviour and lack of critical thinking. People delude themselves into believing they're genuinely good, righteous people.",
">\n\nYep, no one thinks \"muahaha, I am evil!\"",
">\n\nI mean, there’s some people that do. There was a certain subset of Nazis working in the prison camps who knew exactly what was going on, and genuinely enjoyed being there. Same with the Christian missionaries who enacted genocide on the natives - there were priests and nuns in those Catholic schools who willfully abused (and even murdered) kids. \nGenuine psychopaths exist. They’re the minority, but they’re out there. The “banality of evil” problem is that the Nazis and the Catholic church set up entire systems that protected and enabled them.",
">\n\nThe torturers during the inquisition LOVED their work. They got points for doing Gods work and the further blessing of women to rape in ingenuous ways.",
">\n\nLet Croft and Fox rot for the next decade and a half. We’ll see how militant they are when they’re in their late 60s and have aged in the US prison system.",
">\n\nProbably…. More so?",
">\n\nMore so, but no one will go near them. A plot like that, they won't be able to walk past a laptop without the FBI knowing where they are after they're out. No one in their right mind would bring them back into their group.",
">\n\nImagine being so angry at being made to wear masks indoors, you plot to kill a government official, and will now spend the rest of your productive life behind bars ( he's 47 now). All because of having to wear a mask in Wal-Mart!",
">\n\nWhen you lose your freedoms because you don't understand your freedoms.",
">\n\nLoosing your freedoms because you stood up for your freedums…..",
">\n\nThis was a good one",
">\n\nNot really",
">\n\nYesterday the guy who was sentenced looked like a potato and this one looks like the kind of guy who would throw rocks at you for walking near his gold digging spot",
">\n\nGrew up in Michigan. Me: \"Shit, I think I know that guy...oh good, no, it's just his doppelganger.\" Both f-ing times.",
">\n\nSame. My first fear was that at least one of them would turn out to be a family member. Thankfully none... but many look awfully familiar.",
">\n\nProbably about time to take down the “My governor is an idiot” yard signs, Michiganders.",
">\n\nFinding out intensifies……",
">\n\n“(Defense attorney) Blanchard, who got emotional in the courtroom when speaking about Croft’s three children, told reporters outside the courthouse that the sentence means Croft will not get to see his kids grow up.”\nWell, when you try to kidnap and assassinate a governor because you don’t want to wear a mask or stay 6’ away from people because of a fucking pandemic, bad things end up happening to you. \n“Blanchard also maintained that Croft wasn’t the “ideas guy” he’s been portrayed as. He insisted that “most of what Mr. Croft said was excluded because the government didn’t want the jury to hear it.” “\nYeah, it’s not that the “government didn’t want the jury to hear it”. Court doesn’t work that way. The defense attorney didn’t get the testimony excluded. If Croft had a better attorney he might have gotten off, or a lighter sentence. \nThis Blanchard puke is as bad as the felons he represented. Crybaby failure all the way around…",
">\n\nHim not seeing his kids is probably the best thing for them. We don’t need more copies of him.",
">\n\nLooks like that \"the FBI are the ones who suggested it to us and egged us on\" defense didn't hold up.",
">\n\nBecause it was a lie.",
">\n\nNot on the \"gateway pundit,\" where they throw all kinds of insane, exaggerated reasons for ultra-maga crimes\nthat site is one of my favorite hate reads",
">\n\n\n“This man is fully radicalized. He hasn’t changed his viewpoint,” Kessler added. “He’s not admitting the ideas are wrong because he still holds them. This whole thing was Mr. Croft’s idea.”\n\n-\n\nA different jury in Grand Rapids couldn’t reach a verdict on the pair at the first trial last spring but acquitted two other men.\n\nMan, it sounds more and more like the first trial just had (at least) one Michigan Militia type who would have never convicted on any grounds at all.",
">\n\nI just find it hilarious that this group who claimed they were so aware of big government terror compared to us sheep. ..was infiltrated by a FBI informant rather easily lol.\nI'd say I'd wanna see the movie one day but it's probably just the FBI informant making a Facebook posting down with liberals and he was welcomed with open arms.\nEdit - I just realized that it seems I'm making light of the FBI informants job. I am not. I could not do that job and be looking over my shoulder basically not living my own life for months to years.",
">\n\nIt wasn't even an FBI agent, it was just some former military dude who joined their military gun drill club and heard their very detailed plot to execute cops and told his cop buddy about it. The cop buddy was like, fuck, that sounds real lemme ask the FBI what to do. The FBI told the guy, hey, can you, like, stay friends with them and just kinda let us know if they do anything really crazy like ask where to buy a bomb to blow up a bridge?\nAnd then they were like, shit, we need a bomb to blow up a bridge as a diversion. You were in the military, do you know anyone? And the dude was like, uh, yeah, let me ask my old buddy Fred Ben Iver.",
">\n\nThey need to do some of that kind of work to grab whoever is behind all of the power stations being hit.",
">\n\nIt is very likely it is completely separate groups. The white supremacist movement (which all this antigovernmental stuff right now is part of and/or grew out of), does everything they can to stay autonomous so that if one cell goes down there is no connection. They can spread their ideology and tactics by just putting them out there on certain forums and are never directly involved, yet have the freedom of speech cover.",
">\n\nIts probably going to be a rite of passage, like being jumped into a gang. Except it is also like having a Canadian girlfriend.\nIf you want domestic terrorist clout at the local watering hole you brag, \"You know that electrical substation that got taken out? Not saying I was directly involved, but not necessarily denying either.\"\nTo Law Enforcement you say, \"That's a lie. Ah gots rats!!\"\nSchrodinger's Terrorist.",
">\n\nHe looks like the kinda guy who’d try to buy bank robbery supplies from a pawn shop.",
">\n\nShort response: good. Longer response? Goooooooooooooooood.",
">\n\nTwo more 'o' and you'd have one for each year of his sentence.",
">\n\nAnother dumb fuck becomes a burden on taxpayers.",
">\n\nLet’s be honest: they were probably a burden to taxpayers beforehand.",
">\n\nYou know, kidnapping and killing US government officials isn't a good thing to do. Even if Trump says to do it.",
">\n\nYou got a weird way of spelling eventually.",
">\n\nWhat kind of country are we becoming where you cannot even kidnap your Governors? /sarcasm",
">\n\n19 years in prison essentially over not wanting to wear a mask.",
">\n\nMore like 19 years because you closed my bar for a few weeks and that’s unacceptable to redneck Michigan.",
">\n\nwell, if you still watch fox news you’re probably upset by this verdict. tucker carlson will agree with you and tell you why. but this is a reality check and you might want to take a step back and reevaluate your life before you end up storming the capital again or attacking a power grid",
">\n\nGood. Fuck them all.9",
">\n\nPrimeee definition of fuck around and find out…imagine wasting 19 years of your life because you thought you were smart enough to hatch a terror attack on a fucking online message board that had fbi agents on it 💀💀and that baddie STILL won releection. \nenjoy prison biatch, go big gretch. she seems like a pretty cool lady.",
">\n\n\nJudge Robert J. Jonker described him as “the idea guy” behind the plot\n...\nDelaware, man didn’t actually have authority over others and often frustrated them because he “just kept talking.”\n\nInteresting that 'talker' of the group is getting hemmed up. Reminds me of another bigly idea guy who agitated a group of people to do crimes.",
">\n\nMore of this, judicial system.",
">\n\nBbbbbut the FBI made me do it!",
">\n\nLong compared to what? We got people locked up twice as long for weed in this country.",
">\n\nStill not long enough",
">\n\nI agree, but at least he’ll be about 67 when he gets out, the last of the prime years of his life taken away from him.",
">\n\nAnd I imagine he won't be in a very secure place financially when he leaves prison. It's not like he's going to leave in 16 years and then retire on some vast fortune. He'll need to work to survive and who's going to hire an extremist that tried to murder a government official? He'll be lucky to get employed as \"janitor for the McDonald's in the really bad part of town.\" \nAnd while I'm sure he'll blame all his troubles on \"liberals/socialists/Democrats/non-whites/etc,\" the only person truly responsible for how his life ended up will be himself.",
">\n\nWell, there is always the option for these type of people to get a job at Fox or OAN…",
">\n\nI think you have to succeed in your crimes to be offered a prime-time slot on Fox. (or be guest of honor for the GOP)",
">\n\nWow, the \"find out\" stage really did him up the butt.",
">\n\nSometimes, you can judge a book by its cover…",
">\n\nHope he dies in prison. Fuck him.",
">\n\nIf the \"2A exists to protect us against tyranny\" argument was a person.",
">\n\nAnd \"tyranny\" to them means anything they don't personally agree with.",
">\n\n\nAnd \"tyranny\" to them means anything they don't personally agree with.\n\nOr someone reading books to children at a library in drag.",
">\n\nWhat is the obsession with reading sexulized stories to kids in drag? I mean lighten up?",
">\n\nWhy are the people who tried to kidnap a governor getting such harsher penalties than the people who broke into congress, assaulted police, tried to kill members of congress, and tried to overthrow the government?",
">\n\nHonestly, do you think these inbred dipshits still expect Trump to rescue them? Or have the learned that they were pawns in the biggest con in US history?",
">\n\nHe’s still their hero although the Trump 2024 flags are dwindling slowly.",
">\n\nWhat about the people who radicalized them?",
">\n\nThose people are wealthy, so it's OK.",
">\n\nInteresting that these boneheads are getting significant time while many from Jan6 have not.",
">\n\nMost of the Jan 6th defendants so far have been the random goobers who just got caught up with the mob. Just like the schmucks in this case got a few years, while the ringleaders are getting the longer sentences.\nThe DoJ was taking its time with the cases against the bigger fish as far as Jan 6th goes, because those charges are harder to make stick. The guys facing charges like seditious conspiracy are looking at 60+ years.",
">\n\nHe looks like one of those men you’d see in an 1800’s photo in the background on some field next to a moonshine still.",
">\n\nI haven't followed this closely. Why did a Delaware trucker care about the state government of Michigan?",
">\n\n“Liberate Michigan” rhetoric",
">\n\nI feel like these guys all have a similar fashion sense",
">\n\nNeck Beard Brigade",
">\n\nIn the 60s we were told Americans had to go to Vietnam to save democracy because the Viet Cong were kidnapping and assassinating democratically elected judges and representatives. Oath Keepers et al, where is assassination mentioned in the Constitution???",
">\n\nWednesday night is meatloaf night, boys.",
">\n\nAnd the simple fact that the GQP doesn’t denounce these people and make a public stand against their behavior is exactly why no one should trust a single one of them or allow them ANY jurisdiction until the party is dismantled and/ or entirely reformed.",
">\n\nThese guys are so wierd looking!",
">\n\nI’m glad this happened but I seriously doubt it’ll change their or anyone else’s minds that’s as crazy as them.\nThis is definitely strengthen their resolve if anything because their insane.",
">\n\nThe guys with federal charges will probably be pardoned by the next Republican president. Just like with January 6th, the vast majority of conservatives have been convinced with literally zero evidence that both of these events were completely conjured up by the FBI and that none of the people convicted did anything wrong. They won't be able to avoid it because someone will inevitably put it on the table during the primary and all will have follow suit to not lose the maga base. That being said, it's not like they actually give a shit about keeping said promises, so who the hell knows.",
">\n\nYou are right about the pardons. The next Republican president will pardon all of these traitorous terrorists and set them back to work, going after political targets they give them….\nEDIT: updated to correct my misread of your initial comment.",
">\n\nRead it again.. you’ve swapped out convinced and convicted",
">\n\nI am usually not for the death penalty, but this one makes me question my moral compass."
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Not blessed with brain cells when the alleged conspirators target a government official - it's as stupid as it gets - all those responsible must serve sentences in full : even if there's good behaviour.
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[
"At one point, Croft told allies: “I don’t like seeing anybody get killed either. But you don’t make an omelet without breaking a few eggs, you know what I mean?”\n\nI’ve never heard someone compassionate, full of empathy doing good for the world pull out that saying. It’s always someone trying to minimize some bullshit.",
">\n\nEvil is banal and mundane. As Hannah Arendt observes in her book Eichmann in Jerusalem, evil people like that use stock phrases and self-invented clichés, including ... you don’t make an omelet without breaking a few eggs ..., to justify their behaviour and lack of critical thinking. People delude themselves into believing they're genuinely good, righteous people.",
">\n\nYep, no one thinks \"muahaha, I am evil!\"",
">\n\nI mean, there’s some people that do. There was a certain subset of Nazis working in the prison camps who knew exactly what was going on, and genuinely enjoyed being there. Same with the Christian missionaries who enacted genocide on the natives - there were priests and nuns in those Catholic schools who willfully abused (and even murdered) kids. \nGenuine psychopaths exist. They’re the minority, but they’re out there. The “banality of evil” problem is that the Nazis and the Catholic church set up entire systems that protected and enabled them.",
">\n\nThe torturers during the inquisition LOVED their work. They got points for doing Gods work and the further blessing of women to rape in ingenuous ways.",
">\n\nLet Croft and Fox rot for the next decade and a half. We’ll see how militant they are when they’re in their late 60s and have aged in the US prison system.",
">\n\nProbably…. More so?",
">\n\nMore so, but no one will go near them. A plot like that, they won't be able to walk past a laptop without the FBI knowing where they are after they're out. No one in their right mind would bring them back into their group.",
">\n\nImagine being so angry at being made to wear masks indoors, you plot to kill a government official, and will now spend the rest of your productive life behind bars ( he's 47 now). All because of having to wear a mask in Wal-Mart!",
">\n\nWhen you lose your freedoms because you don't understand your freedoms.",
">\n\nLoosing your freedoms because you stood up for your freedums…..",
">\n\nThis was a good one",
">\n\nNot really",
">\n\nYesterday the guy who was sentenced looked like a potato and this one looks like the kind of guy who would throw rocks at you for walking near his gold digging spot",
">\n\nGrew up in Michigan. Me: \"Shit, I think I know that guy...oh good, no, it's just his doppelganger.\" Both f-ing times.",
">\n\nSame. My first fear was that at least one of them would turn out to be a family member. Thankfully none... but many look awfully familiar.",
">\n\nProbably about time to take down the “My governor is an idiot” yard signs, Michiganders.",
">\n\nFinding out intensifies……",
">\n\n“(Defense attorney) Blanchard, who got emotional in the courtroom when speaking about Croft’s three children, told reporters outside the courthouse that the sentence means Croft will not get to see his kids grow up.”\nWell, when you try to kidnap and assassinate a governor because you don’t want to wear a mask or stay 6’ away from people because of a fucking pandemic, bad things end up happening to you. \n“Blanchard also maintained that Croft wasn’t the “ideas guy” he’s been portrayed as. He insisted that “most of what Mr. Croft said was excluded because the government didn’t want the jury to hear it.” “\nYeah, it’s not that the “government didn’t want the jury to hear it”. Court doesn’t work that way. The defense attorney didn’t get the testimony excluded. If Croft had a better attorney he might have gotten off, or a lighter sentence. \nThis Blanchard puke is as bad as the felons he represented. Crybaby failure all the way around…",
">\n\nHim not seeing his kids is probably the best thing for them. We don’t need more copies of him.",
">\n\nLooks like that \"the FBI are the ones who suggested it to us and egged us on\" defense didn't hold up.",
">\n\nBecause it was a lie.",
">\n\nNot on the \"gateway pundit,\" where they throw all kinds of insane, exaggerated reasons for ultra-maga crimes\nthat site is one of my favorite hate reads",
">\n\n\n“This man is fully radicalized. He hasn’t changed his viewpoint,” Kessler added. “He’s not admitting the ideas are wrong because he still holds them. This whole thing was Mr. Croft’s idea.”\n\n-\n\nA different jury in Grand Rapids couldn’t reach a verdict on the pair at the first trial last spring but acquitted two other men.\n\nMan, it sounds more and more like the first trial just had (at least) one Michigan Militia type who would have never convicted on any grounds at all.",
">\n\nI just find it hilarious that this group who claimed they were so aware of big government terror compared to us sheep. ..was infiltrated by a FBI informant rather easily lol.\nI'd say I'd wanna see the movie one day but it's probably just the FBI informant making a Facebook posting down with liberals and he was welcomed with open arms.\nEdit - I just realized that it seems I'm making light of the FBI informants job. I am not. I could not do that job and be looking over my shoulder basically not living my own life for months to years.",
">\n\nIt wasn't even an FBI agent, it was just some former military dude who joined their military gun drill club and heard their very detailed plot to execute cops and told his cop buddy about it. The cop buddy was like, fuck, that sounds real lemme ask the FBI what to do. The FBI told the guy, hey, can you, like, stay friends with them and just kinda let us know if they do anything really crazy like ask where to buy a bomb to blow up a bridge?\nAnd then they were like, shit, we need a bomb to blow up a bridge as a diversion. You were in the military, do you know anyone? And the dude was like, uh, yeah, let me ask my old buddy Fred Ben Iver.",
">\n\nThey need to do some of that kind of work to grab whoever is behind all of the power stations being hit.",
">\n\nIt is very likely it is completely separate groups. The white supremacist movement (which all this antigovernmental stuff right now is part of and/or grew out of), does everything they can to stay autonomous so that if one cell goes down there is no connection. They can spread their ideology and tactics by just putting them out there on certain forums and are never directly involved, yet have the freedom of speech cover.",
">\n\nIts probably going to be a rite of passage, like being jumped into a gang. Except it is also like having a Canadian girlfriend.\nIf you want domestic terrorist clout at the local watering hole you brag, \"You know that electrical substation that got taken out? Not saying I was directly involved, but not necessarily denying either.\"\nTo Law Enforcement you say, \"That's a lie. Ah gots rats!!\"\nSchrodinger's Terrorist.",
">\n\nHe looks like the kinda guy who’d try to buy bank robbery supplies from a pawn shop.",
">\n\nShort response: good. Longer response? Goooooooooooooooood.",
">\n\nTwo more 'o' and you'd have one for each year of his sentence.",
">\n\nAnother dumb fuck becomes a burden on taxpayers.",
">\n\nLet’s be honest: they were probably a burden to taxpayers beforehand.",
">\n\nYou know, kidnapping and killing US government officials isn't a good thing to do. Even if Trump says to do it.",
">\n\nYou got a weird way of spelling eventually.",
">\n\nWhat kind of country are we becoming where you cannot even kidnap your Governors? /sarcasm",
">\n\n19 years in prison essentially over not wanting to wear a mask.",
">\n\nMore like 19 years because you closed my bar for a few weeks and that’s unacceptable to redneck Michigan.",
">\n\nwell, if you still watch fox news you’re probably upset by this verdict. tucker carlson will agree with you and tell you why. but this is a reality check and you might want to take a step back and reevaluate your life before you end up storming the capital again or attacking a power grid",
">\n\nGood. Fuck them all.9",
">\n\nPrimeee definition of fuck around and find out…imagine wasting 19 years of your life because you thought you were smart enough to hatch a terror attack on a fucking online message board that had fbi agents on it 💀💀and that baddie STILL won releection. \nenjoy prison biatch, go big gretch. she seems like a pretty cool lady.",
">\n\n\nJudge Robert J. Jonker described him as “the idea guy” behind the plot\n...\nDelaware, man didn’t actually have authority over others and often frustrated them because he “just kept talking.”\n\nInteresting that 'talker' of the group is getting hemmed up. Reminds me of another bigly idea guy who agitated a group of people to do crimes.",
">\n\nMore of this, judicial system.",
">\n\nBbbbbut the FBI made me do it!",
">\n\nLong compared to what? We got people locked up twice as long for weed in this country.",
">\n\nStill not long enough",
">\n\nI agree, but at least he’ll be about 67 when he gets out, the last of the prime years of his life taken away from him.",
">\n\nAnd I imagine he won't be in a very secure place financially when he leaves prison. It's not like he's going to leave in 16 years and then retire on some vast fortune. He'll need to work to survive and who's going to hire an extremist that tried to murder a government official? He'll be lucky to get employed as \"janitor for the McDonald's in the really bad part of town.\" \nAnd while I'm sure he'll blame all his troubles on \"liberals/socialists/Democrats/non-whites/etc,\" the only person truly responsible for how his life ended up will be himself.",
">\n\nWell, there is always the option for these type of people to get a job at Fox or OAN…",
">\n\nI think you have to succeed in your crimes to be offered a prime-time slot on Fox. (or be guest of honor for the GOP)",
">\n\nWow, the \"find out\" stage really did him up the butt.",
">\n\nSometimes, you can judge a book by its cover…",
">\n\nHope he dies in prison. Fuck him.",
">\n\nIf the \"2A exists to protect us against tyranny\" argument was a person.",
">\n\nAnd \"tyranny\" to them means anything they don't personally agree with.",
">\n\n\nAnd \"tyranny\" to them means anything they don't personally agree with.\n\nOr someone reading books to children at a library in drag.",
">\n\nWhat is the obsession with reading sexulized stories to kids in drag? I mean lighten up?",
">\n\nWhy are the people who tried to kidnap a governor getting such harsher penalties than the people who broke into congress, assaulted police, tried to kill members of congress, and tried to overthrow the government?",
">\n\nHonestly, do you think these inbred dipshits still expect Trump to rescue them? Or have the learned that they were pawns in the biggest con in US history?",
">\n\nHe’s still their hero although the Trump 2024 flags are dwindling slowly.",
">\n\nWhat about the people who radicalized them?",
">\n\nThose people are wealthy, so it's OK.",
">\n\nInteresting that these boneheads are getting significant time while many from Jan6 have not.",
">\n\nMost of the Jan 6th defendants so far have been the random goobers who just got caught up with the mob. Just like the schmucks in this case got a few years, while the ringleaders are getting the longer sentences.\nThe DoJ was taking its time with the cases against the bigger fish as far as Jan 6th goes, because those charges are harder to make stick. The guys facing charges like seditious conspiracy are looking at 60+ years.",
">\n\nHe looks like one of those men you’d see in an 1800’s photo in the background on some field next to a moonshine still.",
">\n\nI haven't followed this closely. Why did a Delaware trucker care about the state government of Michigan?",
">\n\n“Liberate Michigan” rhetoric",
">\n\nI feel like these guys all have a similar fashion sense",
">\n\nNeck Beard Brigade",
">\n\nIn the 60s we were told Americans had to go to Vietnam to save democracy because the Viet Cong were kidnapping and assassinating democratically elected judges and representatives. Oath Keepers et al, where is assassination mentioned in the Constitution???",
">\n\nWednesday night is meatloaf night, boys.",
">\n\nAnd the simple fact that the GQP doesn’t denounce these people and make a public stand against their behavior is exactly why no one should trust a single one of them or allow them ANY jurisdiction until the party is dismantled and/ or entirely reformed.",
">\n\nThese guys are so wierd looking!",
">\n\nI’m glad this happened but I seriously doubt it’ll change their or anyone else’s minds that’s as crazy as them.\nThis is definitely strengthen their resolve if anything because their insane.",
">\n\nThe guys with federal charges will probably be pardoned by the next Republican president. Just like with January 6th, the vast majority of conservatives have been convinced with literally zero evidence that both of these events were completely conjured up by the FBI and that none of the people convicted did anything wrong. They won't be able to avoid it because someone will inevitably put it on the table during the primary and all will have follow suit to not lose the maga base. That being said, it's not like they actually give a shit about keeping said promises, so who the hell knows.",
">\n\nYou are right about the pardons. The next Republican president will pardon all of these traitorous terrorists and set them back to work, going after political targets they give them….\nEDIT: updated to correct my misread of your initial comment.",
">\n\nRead it again.. you’ve swapped out convinced and convicted",
">\n\nI am usually not for the death penalty, but this one makes me question my moral compass.",
">\n\nNo this is not death penalty material.\nNow, open fire into a crowd and kill dozens? go for it. Rape and murder your children? Hang em high. A plot to kidnap or kill one politician? Like look, I like Whitmer, and I'm sure as fuck glad these assholes were caught, but they don't deserve death.\nHell they're all patsies as it is. They listen to Fox, and their local GOP candidate, and Trump, and these sad dumb individuals get tricked into thinking they could be the ones to take a stand against tyranny and save the world. \nAnd the people that set them up to do it? In a best case, they eliminate a political rival; in a worst case some random schmucks go to jail. The ones that set them up for it won't get touched."
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They always look like what you’d expect
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"At one point, Croft told allies: “I don’t like seeing anybody get killed either. But you don’t make an omelet without breaking a few eggs, you know what I mean?”\n\nI’ve never heard someone compassionate, full of empathy doing good for the world pull out that saying. It’s always someone trying to minimize some bullshit.",
">\n\nEvil is banal and mundane. As Hannah Arendt observes in her book Eichmann in Jerusalem, evil people like that use stock phrases and self-invented clichés, including ... you don’t make an omelet without breaking a few eggs ..., to justify their behaviour and lack of critical thinking. People delude themselves into believing they're genuinely good, righteous people.",
">\n\nYep, no one thinks \"muahaha, I am evil!\"",
">\n\nI mean, there’s some people that do. There was a certain subset of Nazis working in the prison camps who knew exactly what was going on, and genuinely enjoyed being there. Same with the Christian missionaries who enacted genocide on the natives - there were priests and nuns in those Catholic schools who willfully abused (and even murdered) kids. \nGenuine psychopaths exist. They’re the minority, but they’re out there. The “banality of evil” problem is that the Nazis and the Catholic church set up entire systems that protected and enabled them.",
">\n\nThe torturers during the inquisition LOVED their work. They got points for doing Gods work and the further blessing of women to rape in ingenuous ways.",
">\n\nLet Croft and Fox rot for the next decade and a half. We’ll see how militant they are when they’re in their late 60s and have aged in the US prison system.",
">\n\nProbably…. More so?",
">\n\nMore so, but no one will go near them. A plot like that, they won't be able to walk past a laptop without the FBI knowing where they are after they're out. No one in their right mind would bring them back into their group.",
">\n\nImagine being so angry at being made to wear masks indoors, you plot to kill a government official, and will now spend the rest of your productive life behind bars ( he's 47 now). All because of having to wear a mask in Wal-Mart!",
">\n\nWhen you lose your freedoms because you don't understand your freedoms.",
">\n\nLoosing your freedoms because you stood up for your freedums…..",
">\n\nThis was a good one",
">\n\nNot really",
">\n\nYesterday the guy who was sentenced looked like a potato and this one looks like the kind of guy who would throw rocks at you for walking near his gold digging spot",
">\n\nGrew up in Michigan. Me: \"Shit, I think I know that guy...oh good, no, it's just his doppelganger.\" Both f-ing times.",
">\n\nSame. My first fear was that at least one of them would turn out to be a family member. Thankfully none... but many look awfully familiar.",
">\n\nProbably about time to take down the “My governor is an idiot” yard signs, Michiganders.",
">\n\nFinding out intensifies……",
">\n\n“(Defense attorney) Blanchard, who got emotional in the courtroom when speaking about Croft’s three children, told reporters outside the courthouse that the sentence means Croft will not get to see his kids grow up.”\nWell, when you try to kidnap and assassinate a governor because you don’t want to wear a mask or stay 6’ away from people because of a fucking pandemic, bad things end up happening to you. \n“Blanchard also maintained that Croft wasn’t the “ideas guy” he’s been portrayed as. He insisted that “most of what Mr. Croft said was excluded because the government didn’t want the jury to hear it.” “\nYeah, it’s not that the “government didn’t want the jury to hear it”. Court doesn’t work that way. The defense attorney didn’t get the testimony excluded. If Croft had a better attorney he might have gotten off, or a lighter sentence. \nThis Blanchard puke is as bad as the felons he represented. Crybaby failure all the way around…",
">\n\nHim not seeing his kids is probably the best thing for them. We don’t need more copies of him.",
">\n\nLooks like that \"the FBI are the ones who suggested it to us and egged us on\" defense didn't hold up.",
">\n\nBecause it was a lie.",
">\n\nNot on the \"gateway pundit,\" where they throw all kinds of insane, exaggerated reasons for ultra-maga crimes\nthat site is one of my favorite hate reads",
">\n\n\n“This man is fully radicalized. He hasn’t changed his viewpoint,” Kessler added. “He’s not admitting the ideas are wrong because he still holds them. This whole thing was Mr. Croft’s idea.”\n\n-\n\nA different jury in Grand Rapids couldn’t reach a verdict on the pair at the first trial last spring but acquitted two other men.\n\nMan, it sounds more and more like the first trial just had (at least) one Michigan Militia type who would have never convicted on any grounds at all.",
">\n\nI just find it hilarious that this group who claimed they were so aware of big government terror compared to us sheep. ..was infiltrated by a FBI informant rather easily lol.\nI'd say I'd wanna see the movie one day but it's probably just the FBI informant making a Facebook posting down with liberals and he was welcomed with open arms.\nEdit - I just realized that it seems I'm making light of the FBI informants job. I am not. I could not do that job and be looking over my shoulder basically not living my own life for months to years.",
">\n\nIt wasn't even an FBI agent, it was just some former military dude who joined their military gun drill club and heard their very detailed plot to execute cops and told his cop buddy about it. The cop buddy was like, fuck, that sounds real lemme ask the FBI what to do. The FBI told the guy, hey, can you, like, stay friends with them and just kinda let us know if they do anything really crazy like ask where to buy a bomb to blow up a bridge?\nAnd then they were like, shit, we need a bomb to blow up a bridge as a diversion. You were in the military, do you know anyone? And the dude was like, uh, yeah, let me ask my old buddy Fred Ben Iver.",
">\n\nThey need to do some of that kind of work to grab whoever is behind all of the power stations being hit.",
">\n\nIt is very likely it is completely separate groups. The white supremacist movement (which all this antigovernmental stuff right now is part of and/or grew out of), does everything they can to stay autonomous so that if one cell goes down there is no connection. They can spread their ideology and tactics by just putting them out there on certain forums and are never directly involved, yet have the freedom of speech cover.",
">\n\nIts probably going to be a rite of passage, like being jumped into a gang. Except it is also like having a Canadian girlfriend.\nIf you want domestic terrorist clout at the local watering hole you brag, \"You know that electrical substation that got taken out? Not saying I was directly involved, but not necessarily denying either.\"\nTo Law Enforcement you say, \"That's a lie. Ah gots rats!!\"\nSchrodinger's Terrorist.",
">\n\nHe looks like the kinda guy who’d try to buy bank robbery supplies from a pawn shop.",
">\n\nShort response: good. Longer response? Goooooooooooooooood.",
">\n\nTwo more 'o' and you'd have one for each year of his sentence.",
">\n\nAnother dumb fuck becomes a burden on taxpayers.",
">\n\nLet’s be honest: they were probably a burden to taxpayers beforehand.",
">\n\nYou know, kidnapping and killing US government officials isn't a good thing to do. Even if Trump says to do it.",
">\n\nYou got a weird way of spelling eventually.",
">\n\nWhat kind of country are we becoming where you cannot even kidnap your Governors? /sarcasm",
">\n\n19 years in prison essentially over not wanting to wear a mask.",
">\n\nMore like 19 years because you closed my bar for a few weeks and that’s unacceptable to redneck Michigan.",
">\n\nwell, if you still watch fox news you’re probably upset by this verdict. tucker carlson will agree with you and tell you why. but this is a reality check and you might want to take a step back and reevaluate your life before you end up storming the capital again or attacking a power grid",
">\n\nGood. Fuck them all.9",
">\n\nPrimeee definition of fuck around and find out…imagine wasting 19 years of your life because you thought you were smart enough to hatch a terror attack on a fucking online message board that had fbi agents on it 💀💀and that baddie STILL won releection. \nenjoy prison biatch, go big gretch. she seems like a pretty cool lady.",
">\n\n\nJudge Robert J. Jonker described him as “the idea guy” behind the plot\n...\nDelaware, man didn’t actually have authority over others and often frustrated them because he “just kept talking.”\n\nInteresting that 'talker' of the group is getting hemmed up. Reminds me of another bigly idea guy who agitated a group of people to do crimes.",
">\n\nMore of this, judicial system.",
">\n\nBbbbbut the FBI made me do it!",
">\n\nLong compared to what? We got people locked up twice as long for weed in this country.",
">\n\nStill not long enough",
">\n\nI agree, but at least he’ll be about 67 when he gets out, the last of the prime years of his life taken away from him.",
">\n\nAnd I imagine he won't be in a very secure place financially when he leaves prison. It's not like he's going to leave in 16 years and then retire on some vast fortune. He'll need to work to survive and who's going to hire an extremist that tried to murder a government official? He'll be lucky to get employed as \"janitor for the McDonald's in the really bad part of town.\" \nAnd while I'm sure he'll blame all his troubles on \"liberals/socialists/Democrats/non-whites/etc,\" the only person truly responsible for how his life ended up will be himself.",
">\n\nWell, there is always the option for these type of people to get a job at Fox or OAN…",
">\n\nI think you have to succeed in your crimes to be offered a prime-time slot on Fox. (or be guest of honor for the GOP)",
">\n\nWow, the \"find out\" stage really did him up the butt.",
">\n\nSometimes, you can judge a book by its cover…",
">\n\nHope he dies in prison. Fuck him.",
">\n\nIf the \"2A exists to protect us against tyranny\" argument was a person.",
">\n\nAnd \"tyranny\" to them means anything they don't personally agree with.",
">\n\n\nAnd \"tyranny\" to them means anything they don't personally agree with.\n\nOr someone reading books to children at a library in drag.",
">\n\nWhat is the obsession with reading sexulized stories to kids in drag? I mean lighten up?",
">\n\nWhy are the people who tried to kidnap a governor getting such harsher penalties than the people who broke into congress, assaulted police, tried to kill members of congress, and tried to overthrow the government?",
">\n\nHonestly, do you think these inbred dipshits still expect Trump to rescue them? Or have the learned that they were pawns in the biggest con in US history?",
">\n\nHe’s still their hero although the Trump 2024 flags are dwindling slowly.",
">\n\nWhat about the people who radicalized them?",
">\n\nThose people are wealthy, so it's OK.",
">\n\nInteresting that these boneheads are getting significant time while many from Jan6 have not.",
">\n\nMost of the Jan 6th defendants so far have been the random goobers who just got caught up with the mob. Just like the schmucks in this case got a few years, while the ringleaders are getting the longer sentences.\nThe DoJ was taking its time with the cases against the bigger fish as far as Jan 6th goes, because those charges are harder to make stick. The guys facing charges like seditious conspiracy are looking at 60+ years.",
">\n\nHe looks like one of those men you’d see in an 1800’s photo in the background on some field next to a moonshine still.",
">\n\nI haven't followed this closely. Why did a Delaware trucker care about the state government of Michigan?",
">\n\n“Liberate Michigan” rhetoric",
">\n\nI feel like these guys all have a similar fashion sense",
">\n\nNeck Beard Brigade",
">\n\nIn the 60s we were told Americans had to go to Vietnam to save democracy because the Viet Cong were kidnapping and assassinating democratically elected judges and representatives. Oath Keepers et al, where is assassination mentioned in the Constitution???",
">\n\nWednesday night is meatloaf night, boys.",
">\n\nAnd the simple fact that the GQP doesn’t denounce these people and make a public stand against their behavior is exactly why no one should trust a single one of them or allow them ANY jurisdiction until the party is dismantled and/ or entirely reformed.",
">\n\nThese guys are so wierd looking!",
">\n\nI’m glad this happened but I seriously doubt it’ll change their or anyone else’s minds that’s as crazy as them.\nThis is definitely strengthen their resolve if anything because their insane.",
">\n\nThe guys with federal charges will probably be pardoned by the next Republican president. Just like with January 6th, the vast majority of conservatives have been convinced with literally zero evidence that both of these events were completely conjured up by the FBI and that none of the people convicted did anything wrong. They won't be able to avoid it because someone will inevitably put it on the table during the primary and all will have follow suit to not lose the maga base. That being said, it's not like they actually give a shit about keeping said promises, so who the hell knows.",
">\n\nYou are right about the pardons. The next Republican president will pardon all of these traitorous terrorists and set them back to work, going after political targets they give them….\nEDIT: updated to correct my misread of your initial comment.",
">\n\nRead it again.. you’ve swapped out convinced and convicted",
">\n\nI am usually not for the death penalty, but this one makes me question my moral compass.",
">\n\nNo this is not death penalty material.\nNow, open fire into a crowd and kill dozens? go for it. Rape and murder your children? Hang em high. A plot to kidnap or kill one politician? Like look, I like Whitmer, and I'm sure as fuck glad these assholes were caught, but they don't deserve death.\nHell they're all patsies as it is. They listen to Fox, and their local GOP candidate, and Trump, and these sad dumb individuals get tricked into thinking they could be the ones to take a stand against tyranny and save the world. \nAnd the people that set them up to do it? In a best case, they eliminate a political rival; in a worst case some random schmucks go to jail. The ones that set them up for it won't get touched.",
">\n\nNot blessed with brain cells when the alleged conspirators target a government official - it's as stupid as it gets - all those responsible must serve sentences in full : even if there's good behaviour."
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Judge orders another ~~long~~ appropriate prison term in Gov. Whitmer plot
Fixed the title
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[
"At one point, Croft told allies: “I don’t like seeing anybody get killed either. But you don’t make an omelet without breaking a few eggs, you know what I mean?”\n\nI’ve never heard someone compassionate, full of empathy doing good for the world pull out that saying. It’s always someone trying to minimize some bullshit.",
">\n\nEvil is banal and mundane. As Hannah Arendt observes in her book Eichmann in Jerusalem, evil people like that use stock phrases and self-invented clichés, including ... you don’t make an omelet without breaking a few eggs ..., to justify their behaviour and lack of critical thinking. People delude themselves into believing they're genuinely good, righteous people.",
">\n\nYep, no one thinks \"muahaha, I am evil!\"",
">\n\nI mean, there’s some people that do. There was a certain subset of Nazis working in the prison camps who knew exactly what was going on, and genuinely enjoyed being there. Same with the Christian missionaries who enacted genocide on the natives - there were priests and nuns in those Catholic schools who willfully abused (and even murdered) kids. \nGenuine psychopaths exist. They’re the minority, but they’re out there. The “banality of evil” problem is that the Nazis and the Catholic church set up entire systems that protected and enabled them.",
">\n\nThe torturers during the inquisition LOVED their work. They got points for doing Gods work and the further blessing of women to rape in ingenuous ways.",
">\n\nLet Croft and Fox rot for the next decade and a half. We’ll see how militant they are when they’re in their late 60s and have aged in the US prison system.",
">\n\nProbably…. More so?",
">\n\nMore so, but no one will go near them. A plot like that, they won't be able to walk past a laptop without the FBI knowing where they are after they're out. No one in their right mind would bring them back into their group.",
">\n\nImagine being so angry at being made to wear masks indoors, you plot to kill a government official, and will now spend the rest of your productive life behind bars ( he's 47 now). All because of having to wear a mask in Wal-Mart!",
">\n\nWhen you lose your freedoms because you don't understand your freedoms.",
">\n\nLoosing your freedoms because you stood up for your freedums…..",
">\n\nThis was a good one",
">\n\nNot really",
">\n\nYesterday the guy who was sentenced looked like a potato and this one looks like the kind of guy who would throw rocks at you for walking near his gold digging spot",
">\n\nGrew up in Michigan. Me: \"Shit, I think I know that guy...oh good, no, it's just his doppelganger.\" Both f-ing times.",
">\n\nSame. My first fear was that at least one of them would turn out to be a family member. Thankfully none... but many look awfully familiar.",
">\n\nProbably about time to take down the “My governor is an idiot” yard signs, Michiganders.",
">\n\nFinding out intensifies……",
">\n\n“(Defense attorney) Blanchard, who got emotional in the courtroom when speaking about Croft’s three children, told reporters outside the courthouse that the sentence means Croft will not get to see his kids grow up.”\nWell, when you try to kidnap and assassinate a governor because you don’t want to wear a mask or stay 6’ away from people because of a fucking pandemic, bad things end up happening to you. \n“Blanchard also maintained that Croft wasn’t the “ideas guy” he’s been portrayed as. He insisted that “most of what Mr. Croft said was excluded because the government didn’t want the jury to hear it.” “\nYeah, it’s not that the “government didn’t want the jury to hear it”. Court doesn’t work that way. The defense attorney didn’t get the testimony excluded. If Croft had a better attorney he might have gotten off, or a lighter sentence. \nThis Blanchard puke is as bad as the felons he represented. Crybaby failure all the way around…",
">\n\nHim not seeing his kids is probably the best thing for them. We don’t need more copies of him.",
">\n\nLooks like that \"the FBI are the ones who suggested it to us and egged us on\" defense didn't hold up.",
">\n\nBecause it was a lie.",
">\n\nNot on the \"gateway pundit,\" where they throw all kinds of insane, exaggerated reasons for ultra-maga crimes\nthat site is one of my favorite hate reads",
">\n\n\n“This man is fully radicalized. He hasn’t changed his viewpoint,” Kessler added. “He’s not admitting the ideas are wrong because he still holds them. This whole thing was Mr. Croft’s idea.”\n\n-\n\nA different jury in Grand Rapids couldn’t reach a verdict on the pair at the first trial last spring but acquitted two other men.\n\nMan, it sounds more and more like the first trial just had (at least) one Michigan Militia type who would have never convicted on any grounds at all.",
">\n\nI just find it hilarious that this group who claimed they were so aware of big government terror compared to us sheep. ..was infiltrated by a FBI informant rather easily lol.\nI'd say I'd wanna see the movie one day but it's probably just the FBI informant making a Facebook posting down with liberals and he was welcomed with open arms.\nEdit - I just realized that it seems I'm making light of the FBI informants job. I am not. I could not do that job and be looking over my shoulder basically not living my own life for months to years.",
">\n\nIt wasn't even an FBI agent, it was just some former military dude who joined their military gun drill club and heard their very detailed plot to execute cops and told his cop buddy about it. The cop buddy was like, fuck, that sounds real lemme ask the FBI what to do. The FBI told the guy, hey, can you, like, stay friends with them and just kinda let us know if they do anything really crazy like ask where to buy a bomb to blow up a bridge?\nAnd then they were like, shit, we need a bomb to blow up a bridge as a diversion. You were in the military, do you know anyone? And the dude was like, uh, yeah, let me ask my old buddy Fred Ben Iver.",
">\n\nThey need to do some of that kind of work to grab whoever is behind all of the power stations being hit.",
">\n\nIt is very likely it is completely separate groups. The white supremacist movement (which all this antigovernmental stuff right now is part of and/or grew out of), does everything they can to stay autonomous so that if one cell goes down there is no connection. They can spread their ideology and tactics by just putting them out there on certain forums and are never directly involved, yet have the freedom of speech cover.",
">\n\nIts probably going to be a rite of passage, like being jumped into a gang. Except it is also like having a Canadian girlfriend.\nIf you want domestic terrorist clout at the local watering hole you brag, \"You know that electrical substation that got taken out? Not saying I was directly involved, but not necessarily denying either.\"\nTo Law Enforcement you say, \"That's a lie. Ah gots rats!!\"\nSchrodinger's Terrorist.",
">\n\nHe looks like the kinda guy who’d try to buy bank robbery supplies from a pawn shop.",
">\n\nShort response: good. Longer response? Goooooooooooooooood.",
">\n\nTwo more 'o' and you'd have one for each year of his sentence.",
">\n\nAnother dumb fuck becomes a burden on taxpayers.",
">\n\nLet’s be honest: they were probably a burden to taxpayers beforehand.",
">\n\nYou know, kidnapping and killing US government officials isn't a good thing to do. Even if Trump says to do it.",
">\n\nYou got a weird way of spelling eventually.",
">\n\nWhat kind of country are we becoming where you cannot even kidnap your Governors? /sarcasm",
">\n\n19 years in prison essentially over not wanting to wear a mask.",
">\n\nMore like 19 years because you closed my bar for a few weeks and that’s unacceptable to redneck Michigan.",
">\n\nwell, if you still watch fox news you’re probably upset by this verdict. tucker carlson will agree with you and tell you why. but this is a reality check and you might want to take a step back and reevaluate your life before you end up storming the capital again or attacking a power grid",
">\n\nGood. Fuck them all.9",
">\n\nPrimeee definition of fuck around and find out…imagine wasting 19 years of your life because you thought you were smart enough to hatch a terror attack on a fucking online message board that had fbi agents on it 💀💀and that baddie STILL won releection. \nenjoy prison biatch, go big gretch. she seems like a pretty cool lady.",
">\n\n\nJudge Robert J. Jonker described him as “the idea guy” behind the plot\n...\nDelaware, man didn’t actually have authority over others and often frustrated them because he “just kept talking.”\n\nInteresting that 'talker' of the group is getting hemmed up. Reminds me of another bigly idea guy who agitated a group of people to do crimes.",
">\n\nMore of this, judicial system.",
">\n\nBbbbbut the FBI made me do it!",
">\n\nLong compared to what? We got people locked up twice as long for weed in this country.",
">\n\nStill not long enough",
">\n\nI agree, but at least he’ll be about 67 when he gets out, the last of the prime years of his life taken away from him.",
">\n\nAnd I imagine he won't be in a very secure place financially when he leaves prison. It's not like he's going to leave in 16 years and then retire on some vast fortune. He'll need to work to survive and who's going to hire an extremist that tried to murder a government official? He'll be lucky to get employed as \"janitor for the McDonald's in the really bad part of town.\" \nAnd while I'm sure he'll blame all his troubles on \"liberals/socialists/Democrats/non-whites/etc,\" the only person truly responsible for how his life ended up will be himself.",
">\n\nWell, there is always the option for these type of people to get a job at Fox or OAN…",
">\n\nI think you have to succeed in your crimes to be offered a prime-time slot on Fox. (or be guest of honor for the GOP)",
">\n\nWow, the \"find out\" stage really did him up the butt.",
">\n\nSometimes, you can judge a book by its cover…",
">\n\nHope he dies in prison. Fuck him.",
">\n\nIf the \"2A exists to protect us against tyranny\" argument was a person.",
">\n\nAnd \"tyranny\" to them means anything they don't personally agree with.",
">\n\n\nAnd \"tyranny\" to them means anything they don't personally agree with.\n\nOr someone reading books to children at a library in drag.",
">\n\nWhat is the obsession with reading sexulized stories to kids in drag? I mean lighten up?",
">\n\nWhy are the people who tried to kidnap a governor getting such harsher penalties than the people who broke into congress, assaulted police, tried to kill members of congress, and tried to overthrow the government?",
">\n\nHonestly, do you think these inbred dipshits still expect Trump to rescue them? Or have the learned that they were pawns in the biggest con in US history?",
">\n\nHe’s still their hero although the Trump 2024 flags are dwindling slowly.",
">\n\nWhat about the people who radicalized them?",
">\n\nThose people are wealthy, so it's OK.",
">\n\nInteresting that these boneheads are getting significant time while many from Jan6 have not.",
">\n\nMost of the Jan 6th defendants so far have been the random goobers who just got caught up with the mob. Just like the schmucks in this case got a few years, while the ringleaders are getting the longer sentences.\nThe DoJ was taking its time with the cases against the bigger fish as far as Jan 6th goes, because those charges are harder to make stick. The guys facing charges like seditious conspiracy are looking at 60+ years.",
">\n\nHe looks like one of those men you’d see in an 1800’s photo in the background on some field next to a moonshine still.",
">\n\nI haven't followed this closely. Why did a Delaware trucker care about the state government of Michigan?",
">\n\n“Liberate Michigan” rhetoric",
">\n\nI feel like these guys all have a similar fashion sense",
">\n\nNeck Beard Brigade",
">\n\nIn the 60s we were told Americans had to go to Vietnam to save democracy because the Viet Cong were kidnapping and assassinating democratically elected judges and representatives. Oath Keepers et al, where is assassination mentioned in the Constitution???",
">\n\nWednesday night is meatloaf night, boys.",
">\n\nAnd the simple fact that the GQP doesn’t denounce these people and make a public stand against their behavior is exactly why no one should trust a single one of them or allow them ANY jurisdiction until the party is dismantled and/ or entirely reformed.",
">\n\nThese guys are so wierd looking!",
">\n\nI’m glad this happened but I seriously doubt it’ll change their or anyone else’s minds that’s as crazy as them.\nThis is definitely strengthen their resolve if anything because their insane.",
">\n\nThe guys with federal charges will probably be pardoned by the next Republican president. Just like with January 6th, the vast majority of conservatives have been convinced with literally zero evidence that both of these events were completely conjured up by the FBI and that none of the people convicted did anything wrong. They won't be able to avoid it because someone will inevitably put it on the table during the primary and all will have follow suit to not lose the maga base. That being said, it's not like they actually give a shit about keeping said promises, so who the hell knows.",
">\n\nYou are right about the pardons. The next Republican president will pardon all of these traitorous terrorists and set them back to work, going after political targets they give them….\nEDIT: updated to correct my misread of your initial comment.",
">\n\nRead it again.. you’ve swapped out convinced and convicted",
">\n\nI am usually not for the death penalty, but this one makes me question my moral compass.",
">\n\nNo this is not death penalty material.\nNow, open fire into a crowd and kill dozens? go for it. Rape and murder your children? Hang em high. A plot to kidnap or kill one politician? Like look, I like Whitmer, and I'm sure as fuck glad these assholes were caught, but they don't deserve death.\nHell they're all patsies as it is. They listen to Fox, and their local GOP candidate, and Trump, and these sad dumb individuals get tricked into thinking they could be the ones to take a stand against tyranny and save the world. \nAnd the people that set them up to do it? In a best case, they eliminate a political rival; in a worst case some random schmucks go to jail. The ones that set them up for it won't get touched.",
">\n\nNot blessed with brain cells when the alleged conspirators target a government official - it's as stupid as it gets - all those responsible must serve sentences in full : even if there's good behaviour.",
">\n\nThey always look like what you’d expect"
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"At one point, Croft told allies: “I don’t like seeing anybody get killed either. But you don’t make an omelet without breaking a few eggs, you know what I mean?”\n\nI’ve never heard someone compassionate, full of empathy doing good for the world pull out that saying. It’s always someone trying to minimize some bullshit.",
">\n\nEvil is banal and mundane. As Hannah Arendt observes in her book Eichmann in Jerusalem, evil people like that use stock phrases and self-invented clichés, including ... you don’t make an omelet without breaking a few eggs ..., to justify their behaviour and lack of critical thinking. People delude themselves into believing they're genuinely good, righteous people.",
">\n\nYep, no one thinks \"muahaha, I am evil!\"",
">\n\nI mean, there’s some people that do. There was a certain subset of Nazis working in the prison camps who knew exactly what was going on, and genuinely enjoyed being there. Same with the Christian missionaries who enacted genocide on the natives - there were priests and nuns in those Catholic schools who willfully abused (and even murdered) kids. \nGenuine psychopaths exist. They’re the minority, but they’re out there. The “banality of evil” problem is that the Nazis and the Catholic church set up entire systems that protected and enabled them.",
">\n\nThe torturers during the inquisition LOVED their work. They got points for doing Gods work and the further blessing of women to rape in ingenuous ways.",
">\n\nLet Croft and Fox rot for the next decade and a half. We’ll see how militant they are when they’re in their late 60s and have aged in the US prison system.",
">\n\nProbably…. More so?",
">\n\nMore so, but no one will go near them. A plot like that, they won't be able to walk past a laptop without the FBI knowing where they are after they're out. No one in their right mind would bring them back into their group.",
">\n\nImagine being so angry at being made to wear masks indoors, you plot to kill a government official, and will now spend the rest of your productive life behind bars ( he's 47 now). All because of having to wear a mask in Wal-Mart!",
">\n\nWhen you lose your freedoms because you don't understand your freedoms.",
">\n\nLoosing your freedoms because you stood up for your freedums…..",
">\n\nThis was a good one",
">\n\nNot really",
">\n\nYesterday the guy who was sentenced looked like a potato and this one looks like the kind of guy who would throw rocks at you for walking near his gold digging spot",
">\n\nGrew up in Michigan. Me: \"Shit, I think I know that guy...oh good, no, it's just his doppelganger.\" Both f-ing times.",
">\n\nSame. My first fear was that at least one of them would turn out to be a family member. Thankfully none... but many look awfully familiar.",
">\n\nProbably about time to take down the “My governor is an idiot” yard signs, Michiganders.",
">\n\nFinding out intensifies……",
">\n\n“(Defense attorney) Blanchard, who got emotional in the courtroom when speaking about Croft’s three children, told reporters outside the courthouse that the sentence means Croft will not get to see his kids grow up.”\nWell, when you try to kidnap and assassinate a governor because you don’t want to wear a mask or stay 6’ away from people because of a fucking pandemic, bad things end up happening to you. \n“Blanchard also maintained that Croft wasn’t the “ideas guy” he’s been portrayed as. He insisted that “most of what Mr. Croft said was excluded because the government didn’t want the jury to hear it.” “\nYeah, it’s not that the “government didn’t want the jury to hear it”. Court doesn’t work that way. The defense attorney didn’t get the testimony excluded. If Croft had a better attorney he might have gotten off, or a lighter sentence. \nThis Blanchard puke is as bad as the felons he represented. Crybaby failure all the way around…",
">\n\nHim not seeing his kids is probably the best thing for them. We don’t need more copies of him.",
">\n\nLooks like that \"the FBI are the ones who suggested it to us and egged us on\" defense didn't hold up.",
">\n\nBecause it was a lie.",
">\n\nNot on the \"gateway pundit,\" where they throw all kinds of insane, exaggerated reasons for ultra-maga crimes\nthat site is one of my favorite hate reads",
">\n\n\n“This man is fully radicalized. He hasn’t changed his viewpoint,” Kessler added. “He’s not admitting the ideas are wrong because he still holds them. This whole thing was Mr. Croft’s idea.”\n\n-\n\nA different jury in Grand Rapids couldn’t reach a verdict on the pair at the first trial last spring but acquitted two other men.\n\nMan, it sounds more and more like the first trial just had (at least) one Michigan Militia type who would have never convicted on any grounds at all.",
">\n\nI just find it hilarious that this group who claimed they were so aware of big government terror compared to us sheep. ..was infiltrated by a FBI informant rather easily lol.\nI'd say I'd wanna see the movie one day but it's probably just the FBI informant making a Facebook posting down with liberals and he was welcomed with open arms.\nEdit - I just realized that it seems I'm making light of the FBI informants job. I am not. I could not do that job and be looking over my shoulder basically not living my own life for months to years.",
">\n\nIt wasn't even an FBI agent, it was just some former military dude who joined their military gun drill club and heard their very detailed plot to execute cops and told his cop buddy about it. The cop buddy was like, fuck, that sounds real lemme ask the FBI what to do. The FBI told the guy, hey, can you, like, stay friends with them and just kinda let us know if they do anything really crazy like ask where to buy a bomb to blow up a bridge?\nAnd then they were like, shit, we need a bomb to blow up a bridge as a diversion. You were in the military, do you know anyone? And the dude was like, uh, yeah, let me ask my old buddy Fred Ben Iver.",
">\n\nThey need to do some of that kind of work to grab whoever is behind all of the power stations being hit.",
">\n\nIt is very likely it is completely separate groups. The white supremacist movement (which all this antigovernmental stuff right now is part of and/or grew out of), does everything they can to stay autonomous so that if one cell goes down there is no connection. They can spread their ideology and tactics by just putting them out there on certain forums and are never directly involved, yet have the freedom of speech cover.",
">\n\nIts probably going to be a rite of passage, like being jumped into a gang. Except it is also like having a Canadian girlfriend.\nIf you want domestic terrorist clout at the local watering hole you brag, \"You know that electrical substation that got taken out? Not saying I was directly involved, but not necessarily denying either.\"\nTo Law Enforcement you say, \"That's a lie. Ah gots rats!!\"\nSchrodinger's Terrorist.",
">\n\nHe looks like the kinda guy who’d try to buy bank robbery supplies from a pawn shop.",
">\n\nShort response: good. Longer response? Goooooooooooooooood.",
">\n\nTwo more 'o' and you'd have one for each year of his sentence.",
">\n\nAnother dumb fuck becomes a burden on taxpayers.",
">\n\nLet’s be honest: they were probably a burden to taxpayers beforehand.",
">\n\nYou know, kidnapping and killing US government officials isn't a good thing to do. Even if Trump says to do it.",
">\n\nYou got a weird way of spelling eventually.",
">\n\nWhat kind of country are we becoming where you cannot even kidnap your Governors? /sarcasm",
">\n\n19 years in prison essentially over not wanting to wear a mask.",
">\n\nMore like 19 years because you closed my bar for a few weeks and that’s unacceptable to redneck Michigan.",
">\n\nwell, if you still watch fox news you’re probably upset by this verdict. tucker carlson will agree with you and tell you why. but this is a reality check and you might want to take a step back and reevaluate your life before you end up storming the capital again or attacking a power grid",
">\n\nGood. Fuck them all.9",
">\n\nPrimeee definition of fuck around and find out…imagine wasting 19 years of your life because you thought you were smart enough to hatch a terror attack on a fucking online message board that had fbi agents on it 💀💀and that baddie STILL won releection. \nenjoy prison biatch, go big gretch. she seems like a pretty cool lady.",
">\n\n\nJudge Robert J. Jonker described him as “the idea guy” behind the plot\n...\nDelaware, man didn’t actually have authority over others and often frustrated them because he “just kept talking.”\n\nInteresting that 'talker' of the group is getting hemmed up. Reminds me of another bigly idea guy who agitated a group of people to do crimes.",
">\n\nMore of this, judicial system.",
">\n\nBbbbbut the FBI made me do it!",
">\n\nLong compared to what? We got people locked up twice as long for weed in this country.",
">\n\nStill not long enough",
">\n\nI agree, but at least he’ll be about 67 when he gets out, the last of the prime years of his life taken away from him.",
">\n\nAnd I imagine he won't be in a very secure place financially when he leaves prison. It's not like he's going to leave in 16 years and then retire on some vast fortune. He'll need to work to survive and who's going to hire an extremist that tried to murder a government official? He'll be lucky to get employed as \"janitor for the McDonald's in the really bad part of town.\" \nAnd while I'm sure he'll blame all his troubles on \"liberals/socialists/Democrats/non-whites/etc,\" the only person truly responsible for how his life ended up will be himself.",
">\n\nWell, there is always the option for these type of people to get a job at Fox or OAN…",
">\n\nI think you have to succeed in your crimes to be offered a prime-time slot on Fox. (or be guest of honor for the GOP)",
">\n\nWow, the \"find out\" stage really did him up the butt.",
">\n\nSometimes, you can judge a book by its cover…",
">\n\nHope he dies in prison. Fuck him.",
">\n\nIf the \"2A exists to protect us against tyranny\" argument was a person.",
">\n\nAnd \"tyranny\" to them means anything they don't personally agree with.",
">\n\n\nAnd \"tyranny\" to them means anything they don't personally agree with.\n\nOr someone reading books to children at a library in drag.",
">\n\nWhat is the obsession with reading sexulized stories to kids in drag? I mean lighten up?",
">\n\nWhy are the people who tried to kidnap a governor getting such harsher penalties than the people who broke into congress, assaulted police, tried to kill members of congress, and tried to overthrow the government?",
">\n\nHonestly, do you think these inbred dipshits still expect Trump to rescue them? Or have the learned that they were pawns in the biggest con in US history?",
">\n\nHe’s still their hero although the Trump 2024 flags are dwindling slowly.",
">\n\nWhat about the people who radicalized them?",
">\n\nThose people are wealthy, so it's OK.",
">\n\nInteresting that these boneheads are getting significant time while many from Jan6 have not.",
">\n\nMost of the Jan 6th defendants so far have been the random goobers who just got caught up with the mob. Just like the schmucks in this case got a few years, while the ringleaders are getting the longer sentences.\nThe DoJ was taking its time with the cases against the bigger fish as far as Jan 6th goes, because those charges are harder to make stick. The guys facing charges like seditious conspiracy are looking at 60+ years.",
">\n\nHe looks like one of those men you’d see in an 1800’s photo in the background on some field next to a moonshine still.",
">\n\nI haven't followed this closely. Why did a Delaware trucker care about the state government of Michigan?",
">\n\n“Liberate Michigan” rhetoric",
">\n\nI feel like these guys all have a similar fashion sense",
">\n\nNeck Beard Brigade",
">\n\nIn the 60s we were told Americans had to go to Vietnam to save democracy because the Viet Cong were kidnapping and assassinating democratically elected judges and representatives. Oath Keepers et al, where is assassination mentioned in the Constitution???",
">\n\nWednesday night is meatloaf night, boys.",
">\n\nAnd the simple fact that the GQP doesn’t denounce these people and make a public stand against their behavior is exactly why no one should trust a single one of them or allow them ANY jurisdiction until the party is dismantled and/ or entirely reformed.",
">\n\nThese guys are so wierd looking!",
">\n\nI’m glad this happened but I seriously doubt it’ll change their or anyone else’s minds that’s as crazy as them.\nThis is definitely strengthen their resolve if anything because their insane.",
">\n\nThe guys with federal charges will probably be pardoned by the next Republican president. Just like with January 6th, the vast majority of conservatives have been convinced with literally zero evidence that both of these events were completely conjured up by the FBI and that none of the people convicted did anything wrong. They won't be able to avoid it because someone will inevitably put it on the table during the primary and all will have follow suit to not lose the maga base. That being said, it's not like they actually give a shit about keeping said promises, so who the hell knows.",
">\n\nYou are right about the pardons. The next Republican president will pardon all of these traitorous terrorists and set them back to work, going after political targets they give them….\nEDIT: updated to correct my misread of your initial comment.",
">\n\nRead it again.. you’ve swapped out convinced and convicted",
">\n\nI am usually not for the death penalty, but this one makes me question my moral compass.",
">\n\nNo this is not death penalty material.\nNow, open fire into a crowd and kill dozens? go for it. Rape and murder your children? Hang em high. A plot to kidnap or kill one politician? Like look, I like Whitmer, and I'm sure as fuck glad these assholes were caught, but they don't deserve death.\nHell they're all patsies as it is. They listen to Fox, and their local GOP candidate, and Trump, and these sad dumb individuals get tricked into thinking they could be the ones to take a stand against tyranny and save the world. \nAnd the people that set them up to do it? In a best case, they eliminate a political rival; in a worst case some random schmucks go to jail. The ones that set them up for it won't get touched.",
">\n\nNot blessed with brain cells when the alleged conspirators target a government official - it's as stupid as it gets - all those responsible must serve sentences in full : even if there's good behaviour.",
">\n\nThey always look like what you’d expect",
">\n\n\nJudge orders another ~~long~~ appropriate prison term in Gov. Whitmer plot\n\nFixed the title"
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Yeah, those FBI heroes stopped this terrorist.
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[
"At one point, Croft told allies: “I don’t like seeing anybody get killed either. But you don’t make an omelet without breaking a few eggs, you know what I mean?”\n\nI’ve never heard someone compassionate, full of empathy doing good for the world pull out that saying. It’s always someone trying to minimize some bullshit.",
">\n\nEvil is banal and mundane. As Hannah Arendt observes in her book Eichmann in Jerusalem, evil people like that use stock phrases and self-invented clichés, including ... you don’t make an omelet without breaking a few eggs ..., to justify their behaviour and lack of critical thinking. People delude themselves into believing they're genuinely good, righteous people.",
">\n\nYep, no one thinks \"muahaha, I am evil!\"",
">\n\nI mean, there’s some people that do. There was a certain subset of Nazis working in the prison camps who knew exactly what was going on, and genuinely enjoyed being there. Same with the Christian missionaries who enacted genocide on the natives - there were priests and nuns in those Catholic schools who willfully abused (and even murdered) kids. \nGenuine psychopaths exist. They’re the minority, but they’re out there. The “banality of evil” problem is that the Nazis and the Catholic church set up entire systems that protected and enabled them.",
">\n\nThe torturers during the inquisition LOVED their work. They got points for doing Gods work and the further blessing of women to rape in ingenuous ways.",
">\n\nLet Croft and Fox rot for the next decade and a half. We’ll see how militant they are when they’re in their late 60s and have aged in the US prison system.",
">\n\nProbably…. More so?",
">\n\nMore so, but no one will go near them. A plot like that, they won't be able to walk past a laptop without the FBI knowing where they are after they're out. No one in their right mind would bring them back into their group.",
">\n\nImagine being so angry at being made to wear masks indoors, you plot to kill a government official, and will now spend the rest of your productive life behind bars ( he's 47 now). All because of having to wear a mask in Wal-Mart!",
">\n\nWhen you lose your freedoms because you don't understand your freedoms.",
">\n\nLoosing your freedoms because you stood up for your freedums…..",
">\n\nThis was a good one",
">\n\nNot really",
">\n\nYesterday the guy who was sentenced looked like a potato and this one looks like the kind of guy who would throw rocks at you for walking near his gold digging spot",
">\n\nGrew up in Michigan. Me: \"Shit, I think I know that guy...oh good, no, it's just his doppelganger.\" Both f-ing times.",
">\n\nSame. My first fear was that at least one of them would turn out to be a family member. Thankfully none... but many look awfully familiar.",
">\n\nProbably about time to take down the “My governor is an idiot” yard signs, Michiganders.",
">\n\nFinding out intensifies……",
">\n\n“(Defense attorney) Blanchard, who got emotional in the courtroom when speaking about Croft’s three children, told reporters outside the courthouse that the sentence means Croft will not get to see his kids grow up.”\nWell, when you try to kidnap and assassinate a governor because you don’t want to wear a mask or stay 6’ away from people because of a fucking pandemic, bad things end up happening to you. \n“Blanchard also maintained that Croft wasn’t the “ideas guy” he’s been portrayed as. He insisted that “most of what Mr. Croft said was excluded because the government didn’t want the jury to hear it.” “\nYeah, it’s not that the “government didn’t want the jury to hear it”. Court doesn’t work that way. The defense attorney didn’t get the testimony excluded. If Croft had a better attorney he might have gotten off, or a lighter sentence. \nThis Blanchard puke is as bad as the felons he represented. Crybaby failure all the way around…",
">\n\nHim not seeing his kids is probably the best thing for them. We don’t need more copies of him.",
">\n\nLooks like that \"the FBI are the ones who suggested it to us and egged us on\" defense didn't hold up.",
">\n\nBecause it was a lie.",
">\n\nNot on the \"gateway pundit,\" where they throw all kinds of insane, exaggerated reasons for ultra-maga crimes\nthat site is one of my favorite hate reads",
">\n\n\n“This man is fully radicalized. He hasn’t changed his viewpoint,” Kessler added. “He’s not admitting the ideas are wrong because he still holds them. This whole thing was Mr. Croft’s idea.”\n\n-\n\nA different jury in Grand Rapids couldn’t reach a verdict on the pair at the first trial last spring but acquitted two other men.\n\nMan, it sounds more and more like the first trial just had (at least) one Michigan Militia type who would have never convicted on any grounds at all.",
">\n\nI just find it hilarious that this group who claimed they were so aware of big government terror compared to us sheep. ..was infiltrated by a FBI informant rather easily lol.\nI'd say I'd wanna see the movie one day but it's probably just the FBI informant making a Facebook posting down with liberals and he was welcomed with open arms.\nEdit - I just realized that it seems I'm making light of the FBI informants job. I am not. I could not do that job and be looking over my shoulder basically not living my own life for months to years.",
">\n\nIt wasn't even an FBI agent, it was just some former military dude who joined their military gun drill club and heard their very detailed plot to execute cops and told his cop buddy about it. The cop buddy was like, fuck, that sounds real lemme ask the FBI what to do. The FBI told the guy, hey, can you, like, stay friends with them and just kinda let us know if they do anything really crazy like ask where to buy a bomb to blow up a bridge?\nAnd then they were like, shit, we need a bomb to blow up a bridge as a diversion. You were in the military, do you know anyone? And the dude was like, uh, yeah, let me ask my old buddy Fred Ben Iver.",
">\n\nThey need to do some of that kind of work to grab whoever is behind all of the power stations being hit.",
">\n\nIt is very likely it is completely separate groups. The white supremacist movement (which all this antigovernmental stuff right now is part of and/or grew out of), does everything they can to stay autonomous so that if one cell goes down there is no connection. They can spread their ideology and tactics by just putting them out there on certain forums and are never directly involved, yet have the freedom of speech cover.",
">\n\nIts probably going to be a rite of passage, like being jumped into a gang. Except it is also like having a Canadian girlfriend.\nIf you want domestic terrorist clout at the local watering hole you brag, \"You know that electrical substation that got taken out? Not saying I was directly involved, but not necessarily denying either.\"\nTo Law Enforcement you say, \"That's a lie. Ah gots rats!!\"\nSchrodinger's Terrorist.",
">\n\nHe looks like the kinda guy who’d try to buy bank robbery supplies from a pawn shop.",
">\n\nShort response: good. Longer response? Goooooooooooooooood.",
">\n\nTwo more 'o' and you'd have one for each year of his sentence.",
">\n\nAnother dumb fuck becomes a burden on taxpayers.",
">\n\nLet’s be honest: they were probably a burden to taxpayers beforehand.",
">\n\nYou know, kidnapping and killing US government officials isn't a good thing to do. Even if Trump says to do it.",
">\n\nYou got a weird way of spelling eventually.",
">\n\nWhat kind of country are we becoming where you cannot even kidnap your Governors? /sarcasm",
">\n\n19 years in prison essentially over not wanting to wear a mask.",
">\n\nMore like 19 years because you closed my bar for a few weeks and that’s unacceptable to redneck Michigan.",
">\n\nwell, if you still watch fox news you’re probably upset by this verdict. tucker carlson will agree with you and tell you why. but this is a reality check and you might want to take a step back and reevaluate your life before you end up storming the capital again or attacking a power grid",
">\n\nGood. Fuck them all.9",
">\n\nPrimeee definition of fuck around and find out…imagine wasting 19 years of your life because you thought you were smart enough to hatch a terror attack on a fucking online message board that had fbi agents on it 💀💀and that baddie STILL won releection. \nenjoy prison biatch, go big gretch. she seems like a pretty cool lady.",
">\n\n\nJudge Robert J. Jonker described him as “the idea guy” behind the plot\n...\nDelaware, man didn’t actually have authority over others and often frustrated them because he “just kept talking.”\n\nInteresting that 'talker' of the group is getting hemmed up. Reminds me of another bigly idea guy who agitated a group of people to do crimes.",
">\n\nMore of this, judicial system.",
">\n\nBbbbbut the FBI made me do it!",
">\n\nLong compared to what? We got people locked up twice as long for weed in this country.",
">\n\nStill not long enough",
">\n\nI agree, but at least he’ll be about 67 when he gets out, the last of the prime years of his life taken away from him.",
">\n\nAnd I imagine he won't be in a very secure place financially when he leaves prison. It's not like he's going to leave in 16 years and then retire on some vast fortune. He'll need to work to survive and who's going to hire an extremist that tried to murder a government official? He'll be lucky to get employed as \"janitor for the McDonald's in the really bad part of town.\" \nAnd while I'm sure he'll blame all his troubles on \"liberals/socialists/Democrats/non-whites/etc,\" the only person truly responsible for how his life ended up will be himself.",
">\n\nWell, there is always the option for these type of people to get a job at Fox or OAN…",
">\n\nI think you have to succeed in your crimes to be offered a prime-time slot on Fox. (or be guest of honor for the GOP)",
">\n\nWow, the \"find out\" stage really did him up the butt.",
">\n\nSometimes, you can judge a book by its cover…",
">\n\nHope he dies in prison. Fuck him.",
">\n\nIf the \"2A exists to protect us against tyranny\" argument was a person.",
">\n\nAnd \"tyranny\" to them means anything they don't personally agree with.",
">\n\n\nAnd \"tyranny\" to them means anything they don't personally agree with.\n\nOr someone reading books to children at a library in drag.",
">\n\nWhat is the obsession with reading sexulized stories to kids in drag? I mean lighten up?",
">\n\nWhy are the people who tried to kidnap a governor getting such harsher penalties than the people who broke into congress, assaulted police, tried to kill members of congress, and tried to overthrow the government?",
">\n\nHonestly, do you think these inbred dipshits still expect Trump to rescue them? Or have the learned that they were pawns in the biggest con in US history?",
">\n\nHe’s still their hero although the Trump 2024 flags are dwindling slowly.",
">\n\nWhat about the people who radicalized them?",
">\n\nThose people are wealthy, so it's OK.",
">\n\nInteresting that these boneheads are getting significant time while many from Jan6 have not.",
">\n\nMost of the Jan 6th defendants so far have been the random goobers who just got caught up with the mob. Just like the schmucks in this case got a few years, while the ringleaders are getting the longer sentences.\nThe DoJ was taking its time with the cases against the bigger fish as far as Jan 6th goes, because those charges are harder to make stick. The guys facing charges like seditious conspiracy are looking at 60+ years.",
">\n\nHe looks like one of those men you’d see in an 1800’s photo in the background on some field next to a moonshine still.",
">\n\nI haven't followed this closely. Why did a Delaware trucker care about the state government of Michigan?",
">\n\n“Liberate Michigan” rhetoric",
">\n\nI feel like these guys all have a similar fashion sense",
">\n\nNeck Beard Brigade",
">\n\nIn the 60s we were told Americans had to go to Vietnam to save democracy because the Viet Cong were kidnapping and assassinating democratically elected judges and representatives. Oath Keepers et al, where is assassination mentioned in the Constitution???",
">\n\nWednesday night is meatloaf night, boys.",
">\n\nAnd the simple fact that the GQP doesn’t denounce these people and make a public stand against their behavior is exactly why no one should trust a single one of them or allow them ANY jurisdiction until the party is dismantled and/ or entirely reformed.",
">\n\nThese guys are so wierd looking!",
">\n\nI’m glad this happened but I seriously doubt it’ll change their or anyone else’s minds that’s as crazy as them.\nThis is definitely strengthen their resolve if anything because their insane.",
">\n\nThe guys with federal charges will probably be pardoned by the next Republican president. Just like with January 6th, the vast majority of conservatives have been convinced with literally zero evidence that both of these events were completely conjured up by the FBI and that none of the people convicted did anything wrong. They won't be able to avoid it because someone will inevitably put it on the table during the primary and all will have follow suit to not lose the maga base. That being said, it's not like they actually give a shit about keeping said promises, so who the hell knows.",
">\n\nYou are right about the pardons. The next Republican president will pardon all of these traitorous terrorists and set them back to work, going after political targets they give them….\nEDIT: updated to correct my misread of your initial comment.",
">\n\nRead it again.. you’ve swapped out convinced and convicted",
">\n\nI am usually not for the death penalty, but this one makes me question my moral compass.",
">\n\nNo this is not death penalty material.\nNow, open fire into a crowd and kill dozens? go for it. Rape and murder your children? Hang em high. A plot to kidnap or kill one politician? Like look, I like Whitmer, and I'm sure as fuck glad these assholes were caught, but they don't deserve death.\nHell they're all patsies as it is. They listen to Fox, and their local GOP candidate, and Trump, and these sad dumb individuals get tricked into thinking they could be the ones to take a stand against tyranny and save the world. \nAnd the people that set them up to do it? In a best case, they eliminate a political rival; in a worst case some random schmucks go to jail. The ones that set them up for it won't get touched.",
">\n\nNot blessed with brain cells when the alleged conspirators target a government official - it's as stupid as it gets - all those responsible must serve sentences in full : even if there's good behaviour.",
">\n\nThey always look like what you’d expect",
">\n\n\nJudge orders another ~~long~~ appropriate prison term in Gov. Whitmer plot\n\nFixed the title",
">\n\nOne word…… Good! Two more words…… Moving on."
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"At one point, Croft told allies: “I don’t like seeing anybody get killed either. But you don’t make an omelet without breaking a few eggs, you know what I mean?”\n\nI’ve never heard someone compassionate, full of empathy doing good for the world pull out that saying. It’s always someone trying to minimize some bullshit.",
">\n\nEvil is banal and mundane. As Hannah Arendt observes in her book Eichmann in Jerusalem, evil people like that use stock phrases and self-invented clichés, including ... you don’t make an omelet without breaking a few eggs ..., to justify their behaviour and lack of critical thinking. People delude themselves into believing they're genuinely good, righteous people.",
">\n\nYep, no one thinks \"muahaha, I am evil!\"",
">\n\nI mean, there’s some people that do. There was a certain subset of Nazis working in the prison camps who knew exactly what was going on, and genuinely enjoyed being there. Same with the Christian missionaries who enacted genocide on the natives - there were priests and nuns in those Catholic schools who willfully abused (and even murdered) kids. \nGenuine psychopaths exist. They’re the minority, but they’re out there. The “banality of evil” problem is that the Nazis and the Catholic church set up entire systems that protected and enabled them.",
">\n\nThe torturers during the inquisition LOVED their work. They got points for doing Gods work and the further blessing of women to rape in ingenuous ways.",
">\n\nLet Croft and Fox rot for the next decade and a half. We’ll see how militant they are when they’re in their late 60s and have aged in the US prison system.",
">\n\nProbably…. More so?",
">\n\nMore so, but no one will go near them. A plot like that, they won't be able to walk past a laptop without the FBI knowing where they are after they're out. No one in their right mind would bring them back into their group.",
">\n\nImagine being so angry at being made to wear masks indoors, you plot to kill a government official, and will now spend the rest of your productive life behind bars ( he's 47 now). All because of having to wear a mask in Wal-Mart!",
">\n\nWhen you lose your freedoms because you don't understand your freedoms.",
">\n\nLoosing your freedoms because you stood up for your freedums…..",
">\n\nThis was a good one",
">\n\nNot really",
">\n\nYesterday the guy who was sentenced looked like a potato and this one looks like the kind of guy who would throw rocks at you for walking near his gold digging spot",
">\n\nGrew up in Michigan. Me: \"Shit, I think I know that guy...oh good, no, it's just his doppelganger.\" Both f-ing times.",
">\n\nSame. My first fear was that at least one of them would turn out to be a family member. Thankfully none... but many look awfully familiar.",
">\n\nProbably about time to take down the “My governor is an idiot” yard signs, Michiganders.",
">\n\nFinding out intensifies……",
">\n\n“(Defense attorney) Blanchard, who got emotional in the courtroom when speaking about Croft’s three children, told reporters outside the courthouse that the sentence means Croft will not get to see his kids grow up.”\nWell, when you try to kidnap and assassinate a governor because you don’t want to wear a mask or stay 6’ away from people because of a fucking pandemic, bad things end up happening to you. \n“Blanchard also maintained that Croft wasn’t the “ideas guy” he’s been portrayed as. He insisted that “most of what Mr. Croft said was excluded because the government didn’t want the jury to hear it.” “\nYeah, it’s not that the “government didn’t want the jury to hear it”. Court doesn’t work that way. The defense attorney didn’t get the testimony excluded. If Croft had a better attorney he might have gotten off, or a lighter sentence. \nThis Blanchard puke is as bad as the felons he represented. Crybaby failure all the way around…",
">\n\nHim not seeing his kids is probably the best thing for them. We don’t need more copies of him.",
">\n\nLooks like that \"the FBI are the ones who suggested it to us and egged us on\" defense didn't hold up.",
">\n\nBecause it was a lie.",
">\n\nNot on the \"gateway pundit,\" where they throw all kinds of insane, exaggerated reasons for ultra-maga crimes\nthat site is one of my favorite hate reads",
">\n\n\n“This man is fully radicalized. He hasn’t changed his viewpoint,” Kessler added. “He’s not admitting the ideas are wrong because he still holds them. This whole thing was Mr. Croft’s idea.”\n\n-\n\nA different jury in Grand Rapids couldn’t reach a verdict on the pair at the first trial last spring but acquitted two other men.\n\nMan, it sounds more and more like the first trial just had (at least) one Michigan Militia type who would have never convicted on any grounds at all.",
">\n\nI just find it hilarious that this group who claimed they were so aware of big government terror compared to us sheep. ..was infiltrated by a FBI informant rather easily lol.\nI'd say I'd wanna see the movie one day but it's probably just the FBI informant making a Facebook posting down with liberals and he was welcomed with open arms.\nEdit - I just realized that it seems I'm making light of the FBI informants job. I am not. I could not do that job and be looking over my shoulder basically not living my own life for months to years.",
">\n\nIt wasn't even an FBI agent, it was just some former military dude who joined their military gun drill club and heard their very detailed plot to execute cops and told his cop buddy about it. The cop buddy was like, fuck, that sounds real lemme ask the FBI what to do. The FBI told the guy, hey, can you, like, stay friends with them and just kinda let us know if they do anything really crazy like ask where to buy a bomb to blow up a bridge?\nAnd then they were like, shit, we need a bomb to blow up a bridge as a diversion. You were in the military, do you know anyone? And the dude was like, uh, yeah, let me ask my old buddy Fred Ben Iver.",
">\n\nThey need to do some of that kind of work to grab whoever is behind all of the power stations being hit.",
">\n\nIt is very likely it is completely separate groups. The white supremacist movement (which all this antigovernmental stuff right now is part of and/or grew out of), does everything they can to stay autonomous so that if one cell goes down there is no connection. They can spread their ideology and tactics by just putting them out there on certain forums and are never directly involved, yet have the freedom of speech cover.",
">\n\nIts probably going to be a rite of passage, like being jumped into a gang. Except it is also like having a Canadian girlfriend.\nIf you want domestic terrorist clout at the local watering hole you brag, \"You know that electrical substation that got taken out? Not saying I was directly involved, but not necessarily denying either.\"\nTo Law Enforcement you say, \"That's a lie. Ah gots rats!!\"\nSchrodinger's Terrorist.",
">\n\nHe looks like the kinda guy who’d try to buy bank robbery supplies from a pawn shop.",
">\n\nShort response: good. Longer response? Goooooooooooooooood.",
">\n\nTwo more 'o' and you'd have one for each year of his sentence.",
">\n\nAnother dumb fuck becomes a burden on taxpayers.",
">\n\nLet’s be honest: they were probably a burden to taxpayers beforehand.",
">\n\nYou know, kidnapping and killing US government officials isn't a good thing to do. Even if Trump says to do it.",
">\n\nYou got a weird way of spelling eventually.",
">\n\nWhat kind of country are we becoming where you cannot even kidnap your Governors? /sarcasm",
">\n\n19 years in prison essentially over not wanting to wear a mask.",
">\n\nMore like 19 years because you closed my bar for a few weeks and that’s unacceptable to redneck Michigan.",
">\n\nwell, if you still watch fox news you’re probably upset by this verdict. tucker carlson will agree with you and tell you why. but this is a reality check and you might want to take a step back and reevaluate your life before you end up storming the capital again or attacking a power grid",
">\n\nGood. Fuck them all.9",
">\n\nPrimeee definition of fuck around and find out…imagine wasting 19 years of your life because you thought you were smart enough to hatch a terror attack on a fucking online message board that had fbi agents on it 💀💀and that baddie STILL won releection. \nenjoy prison biatch, go big gretch. she seems like a pretty cool lady.",
">\n\n\nJudge Robert J. Jonker described him as “the idea guy” behind the plot\n...\nDelaware, man didn’t actually have authority over others and often frustrated them because he “just kept talking.”\n\nInteresting that 'talker' of the group is getting hemmed up. Reminds me of another bigly idea guy who agitated a group of people to do crimes.",
">\n\nMore of this, judicial system.",
">\n\nBbbbbut the FBI made me do it!",
">\n\nLong compared to what? We got people locked up twice as long for weed in this country.",
">\n\nStill not long enough",
">\n\nI agree, but at least he’ll be about 67 when he gets out, the last of the prime years of his life taken away from him.",
">\n\nAnd I imagine he won't be in a very secure place financially when he leaves prison. It's not like he's going to leave in 16 years and then retire on some vast fortune. He'll need to work to survive and who's going to hire an extremist that tried to murder a government official? He'll be lucky to get employed as \"janitor for the McDonald's in the really bad part of town.\" \nAnd while I'm sure he'll blame all his troubles on \"liberals/socialists/Democrats/non-whites/etc,\" the only person truly responsible for how his life ended up will be himself.",
">\n\nWell, there is always the option for these type of people to get a job at Fox or OAN…",
">\n\nI think you have to succeed in your crimes to be offered a prime-time slot on Fox. (or be guest of honor for the GOP)",
">\n\nWow, the \"find out\" stage really did him up the butt.",
">\n\nSometimes, you can judge a book by its cover…",
">\n\nHope he dies in prison. Fuck him.",
">\n\nIf the \"2A exists to protect us against tyranny\" argument was a person.",
">\n\nAnd \"tyranny\" to them means anything they don't personally agree with.",
">\n\n\nAnd \"tyranny\" to them means anything they don't personally agree with.\n\nOr someone reading books to children at a library in drag.",
">\n\nWhat is the obsession with reading sexulized stories to kids in drag? I mean lighten up?",
">\n\nWhy are the people who tried to kidnap a governor getting such harsher penalties than the people who broke into congress, assaulted police, tried to kill members of congress, and tried to overthrow the government?",
">\n\nHonestly, do you think these inbred dipshits still expect Trump to rescue them? Or have the learned that they were pawns in the biggest con in US history?",
">\n\nHe’s still their hero although the Trump 2024 flags are dwindling slowly.",
">\n\nWhat about the people who radicalized them?",
">\n\nThose people are wealthy, so it's OK.",
">\n\nInteresting that these boneheads are getting significant time while many from Jan6 have not.",
">\n\nMost of the Jan 6th defendants so far have been the random goobers who just got caught up with the mob. Just like the schmucks in this case got a few years, while the ringleaders are getting the longer sentences.\nThe DoJ was taking its time with the cases against the bigger fish as far as Jan 6th goes, because those charges are harder to make stick. The guys facing charges like seditious conspiracy are looking at 60+ years.",
">\n\nHe looks like one of those men you’d see in an 1800’s photo in the background on some field next to a moonshine still.",
">\n\nI haven't followed this closely. Why did a Delaware trucker care about the state government of Michigan?",
">\n\n“Liberate Michigan” rhetoric",
">\n\nI feel like these guys all have a similar fashion sense",
">\n\nNeck Beard Brigade",
">\n\nIn the 60s we were told Americans had to go to Vietnam to save democracy because the Viet Cong were kidnapping and assassinating democratically elected judges and representatives. Oath Keepers et al, where is assassination mentioned in the Constitution???",
">\n\nWednesday night is meatloaf night, boys.",
">\n\nAnd the simple fact that the GQP doesn’t denounce these people and make a public stand against their behavior is exactly why no one should trust a single one of them or allow them ANY jurisdiction until the party is dismantled and/ or entirely reformed.",
">\n\nThese guys are so wierd looking!",
">\n\nI’m glad this happened but I seriously doubt it’ll change their or anyone else’s minds that’s as crazy as them.\nThis is definitely strengthen their resolve if anything because their insane.",
">\n\nThe guys with federal charges will probably be pardoned by the next Republican president. Just like with January 6th, the vast majority of conservatives have been convinced with literally zero evidence that both of these events were completely conjured up by the FBI and that none of the people convicted did anything wrong. They won't be able to avoid it because someone will inevitably put it on the table during the primary and all will have follow suit to not lose the maga base. That being said, it's not like they actually give a shit about keeping said promises, so who the hell knows.",
">\n\nYou are right about the pardons. The next Republican president will pardon all of these traitorous terrorists and set them back to work, going after political targets they give them….\nEDIT: updated to correct my misread of your initial comment.",
">\n\nRead it again.. you’ve swapped out convinced and convicted",
">\n\nI am usually not for the death penalty, but this one makes me question my moral compass.",
">\n\nNo this is not death penalty material.\nNow, open fire into a crowd and kill dozens? go for it. Rape and murder your children? Hang em high. A plot to kidnap or kill one politician? Like look, I like Whitmer, and I'm sure as fuck glad these assholes were caught, but they don't deserve death.\nHell they're all patsies as it is. They listen to Fox, and their local GOP candidate, and Trump, and these sad dumb individuals get tricked into thinking they could be the ones to take a stand against tyranny and save the world. \nAnd the people that set them up to do it? In a best case, they eliminate a political rival; in a worst case some random schmucks go to jail. The ones that set them up for it won't get touched.",
">\n\nNot blessed with brain cells when the alleged conspirators target a government official - it's as stupid as it gets - all those responsible must serve sentences in full : even if there's good behaviour.",
">\n\nThey always look like what you’d expect",
">\n\n\nJudge orders another ~~long~~ appropriate prison term in Gov. Whitmer plot\n\nFixed the title",
">\n\nOne word…… Good! Two more words…… Moving on.",
">\n\nYeah, those FBI heroes stopped this terrorist."
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Fighting in Ukraine is currently at a deadlock as neither Ukraine nor Russia can make significant advances, the head of the Ukrainian military intelligence agency has said, while Kyiv waits for more advanced weapons from Western allies.
"The situation is just stuck," Kyrylo Budanov told the BBC in an interview. "It doesn't move."
After Ukrainian troops recaptured the southern city of Kherson in November, most of the fiercest battles have been around Bakhmut, in the eastern Donetsk region. Elsewhere, Russian forces appear to be on the defensive while winter has slowed down the pace of Ukraine's ground operations across the 1,000km (620-mile) front line.
Mr Budanov said Russia was "now completely at a dead end" suffering very significant losses, and he believed the Kremlin had decided to announce another mobilisation of conscripts. But, he added, Ukrainian forces still lacked resources to move forward in multiple areas.
We can't defeat them in all directions comprehensively. Neither can they," he said. "We're very much looking forward to new weapons supplies, and to the arrival of more advanced weapons."
Earlier this month, after a series of Russian military setbacks, Ukrainian officials warned about the possibility of another ground offensive by Moscow's forces from Belarus at the start of 2023. The push, they said, could include a second attempt to seize the capital, Kyiv, and involve tens of thousands of reservists being trained in Russia.
Mr Budanov, however, dismissed Russia's activities in Belarus, including the movement of thousands of troops, as attempts to make Ukraine divert troops from the battlefields in the south and east to the north.
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Fighting in Ukraine is currently at a deadlock as neither Ukraine nor Russia can make significant advances, the head of the Ukrainian military intelligence agency has said, while Kyiv waits for more advanced weapons from Western allies.
Although Iran has provided most of the drones used in Russia's attacks, the spy chief says it has so far refused to deliver missiles to Russia, aware that Western countries are likely to impose measures on Tehran, already under crippling sanctions because of its nuclear programme.
The war may be deadlocked for now, but Mr Budanov is adamant that Ukraine will ultimately retake all the territory now under occupation, including Crimea, the peninsula that Russia seized in 2014.
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"Fighting in Ukraine is currently at a deadlock as neither Ukraine nor Russia can make significant advances, the head of the Ukrainian military intelligence agency has said, while Kyiv waits for more advanced weapons from Western allies.\n\"The situation is just stuck,\" Kyrylo Budanov told the BBC in an interview. \"It doesn't move.\"\nAfter Ukrainian troops recaptured the southern city of Kherson in November, most of the fiercest battles have been around Bakhmut, in the eastern Donetsk region. Elsewhere, Russian forces appear to be on the defensive while winter has slowed down the pace of Ukraine's ground operations across the 1,000km (620-mile) front line.\nMr Budanov said Russia was \"now completely at a dead end\" suffering very significant losses, and he believed the Kremlin had decided to announce another mobilisation of conscripts. But, he added, Ukrainian forces still lacked resources to move forward in multiple areas.\nWe can't defeat them in all directions comprehensively. Neither can they,\" he said. \"We're very much looking forward to new weapons supplies, and to the arrival of more advanced weapons.\"\nEarlier this month, after a series of Russian military setbacks, Ukrainian officials warned about the possibility of another ground offensive by Moscow's forces from Belarus at the start of 2023. The push, they said, could include a second attempt to seize the capital, Kyiv, and involve tens of thousands of reservists being trained in Russia.\nMr Budanov, however, dismissed Russia's activities in Belarus, including the movement of thousands of troops, as attempts to make Ukraine divert troops from the battlefields in the south and east to the north."
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Recently, he said, a train loaded with Russian soldiers stopped in a location close to the Belarus-Ukraine border and returned, several hours later, with everyone on board.
"They did it openly during the day, so that everyone would see it, even if [we] didn't want to,"
Man's still got humor.
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"Fighting in Ukraine is currently at a deadlock as neither Ukraine nor Russia can make significant advances, the head of the Ukrainian military intelligence agency has said, while Kyiv waits for more advanced weapons from Western allies.\n\"The situation is just stuck,\" Kyrylo Budanov told the BBC in an interview. \"It doesn't move.\"\nAfter Ukrainian troops recaptured the southern city of Kherson in November, most of the fiercest battles have been around Bakhmut, in the eastern Donetsk region. Elsewhere, Russian forces appear to be on the defensive while winter has slowed down the pace of Ukraine's ground operations across the 1,000km (620-mile) front line.\nMr Budanov said Russia was \"now completely at a dead end\" suffering very significant losses, and he believed the Kremlin had decided to announce another mobilisation of conscripts. But, he added, Ukrainian forces still lacked resources to move forward in multiple areas.\nWe can't defeat them in all directions comprehensively. Neither can they,\" he said. \"We're very much looking forward to new weapons supplies, and to the arrival of more advanced weapons.\"\nEarlier this month, after a series of Russian military setbacks, Ukrainian officials warned about the possibility of another ground offensive by Moscow's forces from Belarus at the start of 2023. The push, they said, could include a second attempt to seize the capital, Kyiv, and involve tens of thousands of reservists being trained in Russia.\nMr Budanov, however, dismissed Russia's activities in Belarus, including the movement of thousands of troops, as attempts to make Ukraine divert troops from the battlefields in the south and east to the north.",
">\n\nThis is the best tl;dr I could make, original reduced by 84%. (I'm a bot)\n\n\nFighting in Ukraine is currently at a deadlock as neither Ukraine nor Russia can make significant advances, the head of the Ukrainian military intelligence agency has said, while Kyiv waits for more advanced weapons from Western allies.\nAlthough Iran has provided most of the drones used in Russia's attacks, the spy chief says it has so far refused to deliver missiles to Russia, aware that Western countries are likely to impose measures on Tehran, already under crippling sanctions because of its nuclear programme.\nThe war may be deadlocked for now, but Mr Budanov is adamant that Ukraine will ultimately retake all the territory now under occupation, including Crimea, the peninsula that Russia seized in 2014.\n\n\nExtended Summary | FAQ | Feedback | Top keywords: Russia^#1 Russian^#2 Ukraine^#3 Budanov^#4 troops^#5"
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What he actually said:
Mr Budanov said Russia was "now completely at a dead end" suffering very significant losses, and he believed the Kremlin had decided to announce another mobilisation of conscripts. But, he added, Ukrainian forces still lacked resources to move forward in multiple areas.
So I don't think the headline is accurate. If Russian forces are taking significant losses and Ukrainian forces are not, then it is not deadlocked. The same if Russian equipment is degrading while Ukrainian equipment is improving.
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"Fighting in Ukraine is currently at a deadlock as neither Ukraine nor Russia can make significant advances, the head of the Ukrainian military intelligence agency has said, while Kyiv waits for more advanced weapons from Western allies.\n\"The situation is just stuck,\" Kyrylo Budanov told the BBC in an interview. \"It doesn't move.\"\nAfter Ukrainian troops recaptured the southern city of Kherson in November, most of the fiercest battles have been around Bakhmut, in the eastern Donetsk region. Elsewhere, Russian forces appear to be on the defensive while winter has slowed down the pace of Ukraine's ground operations across the 1,000km (620-mile) front line.\nMr Budanov said Russia was \"now completely at a dead end\" suffering very significant losses, and he believed the Kremlin had decided to announce another mobilisation of conscripts. But, he added, Ukrainian forces still lacked resources to move forward in multiple areas.\nWe can't defeat them in all directions comprehensively. Neither can they,\" he said. \"We're very much looking forward to new weapons supplies, and to the arrival of more advanced weapons.\"\nEarlier this month, after a series of Russian military setbacks, Ukrainian officials warned about the possibility of another ground offensive by Moscow's forces from Belarus at the start of 2023. The push, they said, could include a second attempt to seize the capital, Kyiv, and involve tens of thousands of reservists being trained in Russia.\nMr Budanov, however, dismissed Russia's activities in Belarus, including the movement of thousands of troops, as attempts to make Ukraine divert troops from the battlefields in the south and east to the north.",
">\n\nThis is the best tl;dr I could make, original reduced by 84%. (I'm a bot)\n\n\nFighting in Ukraine is currently at a deadlock as neither Ukraine nor Russia can make significant advances, the head of the Ukrainian military intelligence agency has said, while Kyiv waits for more advanced weapons from Western allies.\nAlthough Iran has provided most of the drones used in Russia's attacks, the spy chief says it has so far refused to deliver missiles to Russia, aware that Western countries are likely to impose measures on Tehran, already under crippling sanctions because of its nuclear programme.\nThe war may be deadlocked for now, but Mr Budanov is adamant that Ukraine will ultimately retake all the territory now under occupation, including Crimea, the peninsula that Russia seized in 2014.\n\n\nExtended Summary | FAQ | Feedback | Top keywords: Russia^#1 Russian^#2 Ukraine^#3 Budanov^#4 troops^#5",
">\n\n\nRecently, he said, a train loaded with Russian soldiers stopped in a location close to the Belarus-Ukraine border and returned, several hours later, with everyone on board.\n\"They did it openly during the day, so that everyone would see it, even if [we] didn't want to,\"\n\nMan's still got humor."
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"Fighting in Ukraine is currently at a deadlock as neither Ukraine nor Russia can make significant advances, the head of the Ukrainian military intelligence agency has said, while Kyiv waits for more advanced weapons from Western allies.\n\"The situation is just stuck,\" Kyrylo Budanov told the BBC in an interview. \"It doesn't move.\"\nAfter Ukrainian troops recaptured the southern city of Kherson in November, most of the fiercest battles have been around Bakhmut, in the eastern Donetsk region. Elsewhere, Russian forces appear to be on the defensive while winter has slowed down the pace of Ukraine's ground operations across the 1,000km (620-mile) front line.\nMr Budanov said Russia was \"now completely at a dead end\" suffering very significant losses, and he believed the Kremlin had decided to announce another mobilisation of conscripts. But, he added, Ukrainian forces still lacked resources to move forward in multiple areas.\nWe can't defeat them in all directions comprehensively. Neither can they,\" he said. \"We're very much looking forward to new weapons supplies, and to the arrival of more advanced weapons.\"\nEarlier this month, after a series of Russian military setbacks, Ukrainian officials warned about the possibility of another ground offensive by Moscow's forces from Belarus at the start of 2023. The push, they said, could include a second attempt to seize the capital, Kyiv, and involve tens of thousands of reservists being trained in Russia.\nMr Budanov, however, dismissed Russia's activities in Belarus, including the movement of thousands of troops, as attempts to make Ukraine divert troops from the battlefields in the south and east to the north.",
">\n\nThis is the best tl;dr I could make, original reduced by 84%. (I'm a bot)\n\n\nFighting in Ukraine is currently at a deadlock as neither Ukraine nor Russia can make significant advances, the head of the Ukrainian military intelligence agency has said, while Kyiv waits for more advanced weapons from Western allies.\nAlthough Iran has provided most of the drones used in Russia's attacks, the spy chief says it has so far refused to deliver missiles to Russia, aware that Western countries are likely to impose measures on Tehran, already under crippling sanctions because of its nuclear programme.\nThe war may be deadlocked for now, but Mr Budanov is adamant that Ukraine will ultimately retake all the territory now under occupation, including Crimea, the peninsula that Russia seized in 2014.\n\n\nExtended Summary | FAQ | Feedback | Top keywords: Russia^#1 Russian^#2 Ukraine^#3 Budanov^#4 troops^#5",
">\n\n\nRecently, he said, a train loaded with Russian soldiers stopped in a location close to the Belarus-Ukraine border and returned, several hours later, with everyone on board.\n\"They did it openly during the day, so that everyone would see it, even if [we] didn't want to,\"\n\nMan's still got humor.",
">\n\nWhat he actually said:\n\nMr Budanov said Russia was \"now completely at a dead end\" suffering very significant losses, and he believed the Kremlin had decided to announce another mobilisation of conscripts. But, he added, Ukrainian forces still lacked resources to move forward in multiple areas.\n\nSo I don't think the headline is accurate. If Russian forces are taking significant losses and Ukrainian forces are not, then it is not deadlocked. The same if Russian equipment is degrading while Ukrainian equipment is improving."
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Reviung, nice!
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wow, very interesting shot
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"Reviung, nice!"
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Reviung, nice!
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"Reviung, nice!",
">\n\nwow, very interesting shot"
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wow, very interesting shot
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"Reviung, nice!",
">\n\nwow, very interesting shot",
">\n\nReviung, nice!"
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"Reviung, nice!",
">\n\nwow, very interesting shot",
">\n\nReviung, nice!",
">\n\nwow, very interesting shot"
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I thought carrying a gun outside of one's home was already illegal in Brazil
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So did I.
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"I thought carrying a gun outside of one's home was already illegal in Brazil"
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Let's play a game called "Spot the Americans in the comment section"!
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"I thought carrying a gun outside of one's home was already illegal in Brazil",
">\n\nSo did I."
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More like spot the uninformed American. Guns are banned at many of our political events too.
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"I thought carrying a gun outside of one's home was already illegal in Brazil",
">\n\nSo did I.",
">\n\nLet's play a game called \"Spot the Americans in the comment section\"!"
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Anybody from outside the USA: This seems sensible.
American gun nuts: Who will stop the criminals in that foreign country! They want my guns!
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"I thought carrying a gun outside of one's home was already illegal in Brazil",
">\n\nSo did I.",
">\n\nLet's play a game called \"Spot the Americans in the comment section\"!",
">\n\nMore like spot the uninformed American. Guns are banned at many of our political events too."
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American here. Totally sensible. Have a nice day.
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"I thought carrying a gun outside of one's home was already illegal in Brazil",
">\n\nSo did I.",
">\n\nLet's play a game called \"Spot the Americans in the comment section\"!",
">\n\nMore like spot the uninformed American. Guns are banned at many of our political events too.",
">\n\nAnybody from outside the USA: This seems sensible.\nAmerican gun nuts: Who will stop the criminals in that foreign country! They want my guns!"
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He should just do it by video at this point… there seems to be too much of a J6 vibe to it
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"I thought carrying a gun outside of one's home was already illegal in Brazil",
">\n\nSo did I.",
">\n\nLet's play a game called \"Spot the Americans in the comment section\"!",
">\n\nMore like spot the uninformed American. Guns are banned at many of our political events too.",
">\n\nAnybody from outside the USA: This seems sensible.\nAmerican gun nuts: Who will stop the criminals in that foreign country! They want my guns!",
">\n\nAmerican here. Totally sensible. Have a nice day."
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"look, we aren't saying you can't have a gun, we aren't even saying you can't carry a gun. We're just saying you can't carry a gun in town" Virgil Earp, from the movie Tombstone...I think I got it right.
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"I thought carrying a gun outside of one's home was already illegal in Brazil",
">\n\nSo did I.",
">\n\nLet's play a game called \"Spot the Americans in the comment section\"!",
">\n\nMore like spot the uninformed American. Guns are banned at many of our political events too.",
">\n\nAnybody from outside the USA: This seems sensible.\nAmerican gun nuts: Who will stop the criminals in that foreign country! They want my guns!",
">\n\nAmerican here. Totally sensible. Have a nice day.",
">\n\nHe should just do it by video at this point… there seems to be too much of a J6 vibe to it"
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I'm sure all the criminals will obey lol.
Oh lawless favellas don't exist?
Gun control is to control the law abiding populace.
Not the criminals.
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"I thought carrying a gun outside of one's home was already illegal in Brazil",
">\n\nSo did I.",
">\n\nLet's play a game called \"Spot the Americans in the comment section\"!",
">\n\nMore like spot the uninformed American. Guns are banned at many of our political events too.",
">\n\nAnybody from outside the USA: This seems sensible.\nAmerican gun nuts: Who will stop the criminals in that foreign country! They want my guns!",
">\n\nAmerican here. Totally sensible. Have a nice day.",
">\n\nHe should just do it by video at this point… there seems to be too much of a J6 vibe to it",
">\n\n\"look, we aren't saying you can't have a gun, we aren't even saying you can't carry a gun. We're just saying you can't carry a gun in town\" Virgil Earp, from the movie Tombstone...I think I got it right."
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I'm sure the police won't jail them when they don't lol.
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"I thought carrying a gun outside of one's home was already illegal in Brazil",
">\n\nSo did I.",
">\n\nLet's play a game called \"Spot the Americans in the comment section\"!",
">\n\nMore like spot the uninformed American. Guns are banned at many of our political events too.",
">\n\nAnybody from outside the USA: This seems sensible.\nAmerican gun nuts: Who will stop the criminals in that foreign country! They want my guns!",
">\n\nAmerican here. Totally sensible. Have a nice day.",
">\n\nHe should just do it by video at this point… there seems to be too much of a J6 vibe to it",
">\n\n\"look, we aren't saying you can't have a gun, we aren't even saying you can't carry a gun. We're just saying you can't carry a gun in town\" Virgil Earp, from the movie Tombstone...I think I got it right.",
">\n\nI'm sure all the criminals will obey lol.\nOh lawless favellas don't exist?\nGun control is to control the law abiding populace.\nNot the criminals."
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Oh, this is sure to work. Do they not realize what criminals are? What they do?
Come on.
Edit: geez. The court has ordered that legal gun owners cannot carry their firearms around until after the inauguration. Why?
What will ordering law abiding, licensed (because legally you need a license to own a firearm in Brazil) accomplish? Carrying firearms outside the home is generally illegal as it is. Typically only law enforcement is legally permitted to carry outside the home. So does this ruling simply make it double illegal?
Is the court under the impression that an already illegal action will not be taken because it was made double illegal?
If someone is going to be out and about carrying a firearm in Brazil, particularly Brasilia, it is a safe assumption on the part of law enforcement there that the person is a danger.
This decree doesn’t change anything. It doesn’t accomplish anything.
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"I thought carrying a gun outside of one's home was already illegal in Brazil",
">\n\nSo did I.",
">\n\nLet's play a game called \"Spot the Americans in the comment section\"!",
">\n\nMore like spot the uninformed American. Guns are banned at many of our political events too.",
">\n\nAnybody from outside the USA: This seems sensible.\nAmerican gun nuts: Who will stop the criminals in that foreign country! They want my guns!",
">\n\nAmerican here. Totally sensible. Have a nice day.",
">\n\nHe should just do it by video at this point… there seems to be too much of a J6 vibe to it",
">\n\n\"look, we aren't saying you can't have a gun, we aren't even saying you can't carry a gun. We're just saying you can't carry a gun in town\" Virgil Earp, from the movie Tombstone...I think I got it right.",
">\n\nI'm sure all the criminals will obey lol.\nOh lawless favellas don't exist?\nGun control is to control the law abiding populace.\nNot the criminals.",
">\n\nI'm sure the police won't jail them when they don't lol."
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Your law abiding citizens threatening people by showing up to lgbt events armed with weapons?
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"I thought carrying a gun outside of one's home was already illegal in Brazil",
">\n\nSo did I.",
">\n\nLet's play a game called \"Spot the Americans in the comment section\"!",
">\n\nMore like spot the uninformed American. Guns are banned at many of our political events too.",
">\n\nAnybody from outside the USA: This seems sensible.\nAmerican gun nuts: Who will stop the criminals in that foreign country! They want my guns!",
">\n\nAmerican here. Totally sensible. Have a nice day.",
">\n\nHe should just do it by video at this point… there seems to be too much of a J6 vibe to it",
">\n\n\"look, we aren't saying you can't have a gun, we aren't even saying you can't carry a gun. We're just saying you can't carry a gun in town\" Virgil Earp, from the movie Tombstone...I think I got it right.",
">\n\nI'm sure all the criminals will obey lol.\nOh lawless favellas don't exist?\nGun control is to control the law abiding populace.\nNot the criminals.",
">\n\nI'm sure the police won't jail them when they don't lol.",
">\n\nOh, this is sure to work. Do they not realize what criminals are? What they do?\nCome on.\nEdit: geez. The court has ordered that legal gun owners cannot carry their firearms around until after the inauguration. Why? \nWhat will ordering law abiding, licensed (because legally you need a license to own a firearm in Brazil) accomplish? Carrying firearms outside the home is generally illegal as it is. Typically only law enforcement is legally permitted to carry outside the home. So does this ruling simply make it double illegal?\nIs the court under the impression that an already illegal action will not be taken because it was made double illegal? \nIf someone is going to be out and about carrying a firearm in Brazil, particularly Brasilia, it is a safe assumption on the part of law enforcement there that the person is a danger. \nThis decree doesn’t change anything. It doesn’t accomplish anything."
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What does any of that have to do with the fact that massive amounts of republicans are showing up armed to CLEARLY intimidate the opposition?
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"I thought carrying a gun outside of one's home was already illegal in Brazil",
">\n\nSo did I.",
">\n\nLet's play a game called \"Spot the Americans in the comment section\"!",
">\n\nMore like spot the uninformed American. Guns are banned at many of our political events too.",
">\n\nAnybody from outside the USA: This seems sensible.\nAmerican gun nuts: Who will stop the criminals in that foreign country! They want my guns!",
">\n\nAmerican here. Totally sensible. Have a nice day.",
">\n\nHe should just do it by video at this point… there seems to be too much of a J6 vibe to it",
">\n\n\"look, we aren't saying you can't have a gun, we aren't even saying you can't carry a gun. We're just saying you can't carry a gun in town\" Virgil Earp, from the movie Tombstone...I think I got it right.",
">\n\nI'm sure all the criminals will obey lol.\nOh lawless favellas don't exist?\nGun control is to control the law abiding populace.\nNot the criminals.",
">\n\nI'm sure the police won't jail them when they don't lol.",
">\n\nOh, this is sure to work. Do they not realize what criminals are? What they do?\nCome on.\nEdit: geez. The court has ordered that legal gun owners cannot carry their firearms around until after the inauguration. Why? \nWhat will ordering law abiding, licensed (because legally you need a license to own a firearm in Brazil) accomplish? Carrying firearms outside the home is generally illegal as it is. Typically only law enforcement is legally permitted to carry outside the home. So does this ruling simply make it double illegal?\nIs the court under the impression that an already illegal action will not be taken because it was made double illegal? \nIf someone is going to be out and about carrying a firearm in Brazil, particularly Brasilia, it is a safe assumption on the part of law enforcement there that the person is a danger. \nThis decree doesn’t change anything. It doesn’t accomplish anything.",
">\n\nYour law abiding citizens threatening people by showing up to lgbt events armed with weapons?"
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Muito bem…
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"I thought carrying a gun outside of one's home was already illegal in Brazil",
">\n\nSo did I.",
">\n\nLet's play a game called \"Spot the Americans in the comment section\"!",
">\n\nMore like spot the uninformed American. Guns are banned at many of our political events too.",
">\n\nAnybody from outside the USA: This seems sensible.\nAmerican gun nuts: Who will stop the criminals in that foreign country! They want my guns!",
">\n\nAmerican here. Totally sensible. Have a nice day.",
">\n\nHe should just do it by video at this point… there seems to be too much of a J6 vibe to it",
">\n\n\"look, we aren't saying you can't have a gun, we aren't even saying you can't carry a gun. We're just saying you can't carry a gun in town\" Virgil Earp, from the movie Tombstone...I think I got it right.",
">\n\nI'm sure all the criminals will obey lol.\nOh lawless favellas don't exist?\nGun control is to control the law abiding populace.\nNot the criminals.",
">\n\nI'm sure the police won't jail them when they don't lol.",
">\n\nOh, this is sure to work. Do they not realize what criminals are? What they do?\nCome on.\nEdit: geez. The court has ordered that legal gun owners cannot carry their firearms around until after the inauguration. Why? \nWhat will ordering law abiding, licensed (because legally you need a license to own a firearm in Brazil) accomplish? Carrying firearms outside the home is generally illegal as it is. Typically only law enforcement is legally permitted to carry outside the home. So does this ruling simply make it double illegal?\nIs the court under the impression that an already illegal action will not be taken because it was made double illegal? \nIf someone is going to be out and about carrying a firearm in Brazil, particularly Brasilia, it is a safe assumption on the part of law enforcement there that the person is a danger. \nThis decree doesn’t change anything. It doesn’t accomplish anything.",
">\n\nYour law abiding citizens threatening people by showing up to lgbt events armed with weapons?",
">\n\nWhat does any of that have to do with the fact that massive amounts of republicans are showing up armed to CLEARLY intimidate the opposition?"
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Guns that will be used in crime anyway are ok? Asking for a friend.
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"I thought carrying a gun outside of one's home was already illegal in Brazil",
">\n\nSo did I.",
">\n\nLet's play a game called \"Spot the Americans in the comment section\"!",
">\n\nMore like spot the uninformed American. Guns are banned at many of our political events too.",
">\n\nAnybody from outside the USA: This seems sensible.\nAmerican gun nuts: Who will stop the criminals in that foreign country! They want my guns!",
">\n\nAmerican here. Totally sensible. Have a nice day.",
">\n\nHe should just do it by video at this point… there seems to be too much of a J6 vibe to it",
">\n\n\"look, we aren't saying you can't have a gun, we aren't even saying you can't carry a gun. We're just saying you can't carry a gun in town\" Virgil Earp, from the movie Tombstone...I think I got it right.",
">\n\nI'm sure all the criminals will obey lol.\nOh lawless favellas don't exist?\nGun control is to control the law abiding populace.\nNot the criminals.",
">\n\nI'm sure the police won't jail them when they don't lol.",
">\n\nOh, this is sure to work. Do they not realize what criminals are? What they do?\nCome on.\nEdit: geez. The court has ordered that legal gun owners cannot carry their firearms around until after the inauguration. Why? \nWhat will ordering law abiding, licensed (because legally you need a license to own a firearm in Brazil) accomplish? Carrying firearms outside the home is generally illegal as it is. Typically only law enforcement is legally permitted to carry outside the home. So does this ruling simply make it double illegal?\nIs the court under the impression that an already illegal action will not be taken because it was made double illegal? \nIf someone is going to be out and about carrying a firearm in Brazil, particularly Brasilia, it is a safe assumption on the part of law enforcement there that the person is a danger. \nThis decree doesn’t change anything. It doesn’t accomplish anything.",
">\n\nYour law abiding citizens threatening people by showing up to lgbt events armed with weapons?",
">\n\nWhat does any of that have to do with the fact that massive amounts of republicans are showing up armed to CLEARLY intimidate the opposition?",
">\n\nMuito bem…"
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You don't have friends lmao
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"I thought carrying a gun outside of one's home was already illegal in Brazil",
">\n\nSo did I.",
">\n\nLet's play a game called \"Spot the Americans in the comment section\"!",
">\n\nMore like spot the uninformed American. Guns are banned at many of our political events too.",
">\n\nAnybody from outside the USA: This seems sensible.\nAmerican gun nuts: Who will stop the criminals in that foreign country! They want my guns!",
">\n\nAmerican here. Totally sensible. Have a nice day.",
">\n\nHe should just do it by video at this point… there seems to be too much of a J6 vibe to it",
">\n\n\"look, we aren't saying you can't have a gun, we aren't even saying you can't carry a gun. We're just saying you can't carry a gun in town\" Virgil Earp, from the movie Tombstone...I think I got it right.",
">\n\nI'm sure all the criminals will obey lol.\nOh lawless favellas don't exist?\nGun control is to control the law abiding populace.\nNot the criminals.",
">\n\nI'm sure the police won't jail them when they don't lol.",
">\n\nOh, this is sure to work. Do they not realize what criminals are? What they do?\nCome on.\nEdit: geez. The court has ordered that legal gun owners cannot carry their firearms around until after the inauguration. Why? \nWhat will ordering law abiding, licensed (because legally you need a license to own a firearm in Brazil) accomplish? Carrying firearms outside the home is generally illegal as it is. Typically only law enforcement is legally permitted to carry outside the home. So does this ruling simply make it double illegal?\nIs the court under the impression that an already illegal action will not be taken because it was made double illegal? \nIf someone is going to be out and about carrying a firearm in Brazil, particularly Brasilia, it is a safe assumption on the part of law enforcement there that the person is a danger. \nThis decree doesn’t change anything. It doesn’t accomplish anything.",
">\n\nYour law abiding citizens threatening people by showing up to lgbt events armed with weapons?",
">\n\nWhat does any of that have to do with the fact that massive amounts of republicans are showing up armed to CLEARLY intimidate the opposition?",
">\n\nMuito bem…",
">\n\nGuns that will be used in crime anyway are ok? Asking for a friend."
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But local guns are fine?
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"I thought carrying a gun outside of one's home was already illegal in Brazil",
">\n\nSo did I.",
">\n\nLet's play a game called \"Spot the Americans in the comment section\"!",
">\n\nMore like spot the uninformed American. Guns are banned at many of our political events too.",
">\n\nAnybody from outside the USA: This seems sensible.\nAmerican gun nuts: Who will stop the criminals in that foreign country! They want my guns!",
">\n\nAmerican here. Totally sensible. Have a nice day.",
">\n\nHe should just do it by video at this point… there seems to be too much of a J6 vibe to it",
">\n\n\"look, we aren't saying you can't have a gun, we aren't even saying you can't carry a gun. We're just saying you can't carry a gun in town\" Virgil Earp, from the movie Tombstone...I think I got it right.",
">\n\nI'm sure all the criminals will obey lol.\nOh lawless favellas don't exist?\nGun control is to control the law abiding populace.\nNot the criminals.",
">\n\nI'm sure the police won't jail them when they don't lol.",
">\n\nOh, this is sure to work. Do they not realize what criminals are? What they do?\nCome on.\nEdit: geez. The court has ordered that legal gun owners cannot carry their firearms around until after the inauguration. Why? \nWhat will ordering law abiding, licensed (because legally you need a license to own a firearm in Brazil) accomplish? Carrying firearms outside the home is generally illegal as it is. Typically only law enforcement is legally permitted to carry outside the home. So does this ruling simply make it double illegal?\nIs the court under the impression that an already illegal action will not be taken because it was made double illegal? \nIf someone is going to be out and about carrying a firearm in Brazil, particularly Brasilia, it is a safe assumption on the part of law enforcement there that the person is a danger. \nThis decree doesn’t change anything. It doesn’t accomplish anything.",
">\n\nYour law abiding citizens threatening people by showing up to lgbt events armed with weapons?",
">\n\nWhat does any of that have to do with the fact that massive amounts of republicans are showing up armed to CLEARLY intimidate the opposition?",
">\n\nMuito bem…",
">\n\nGuns that will be used in crime anyway are ok? Asking for a friend.",
">\n\nYou don't have friends lmao"
] |
>
But local guns are fine?
What do you mean by that? The inauguration will be in the capital.
|
[
"I thought carrying a gun outside of one's home was already illegal in Brazil",
">\n\nSo did I.",
">\n\nLet's play a game called \"Spot the Americans in the comment section\"!",
">\n\nMore like spot the uninformed American. Guns are banned at many of our political events too.",
">\n\nAnybody from outside the USA: This seems sensible.\nAmerican gun nuts: Who will stop the criminals in that foreign country! They want my guns!",
">\n\nAmerican here. Totally sensible. Have a nice day.",
">\n\nHe should just do it by video at this point… there seems to be too much of a J6 vibe to it",
">\n\n\"look, we aren't saying you can't have a gun, we aren't even saying you can't carry a gun. We're just saying you can't carry a gun in town\" Virgil Earp, from the movie Tombstone...I think I got it right.",
">\n\nI'm sure all the criminals will obey lol.\nOh lawless favellas don't exist?\nGun control is to control the law abiding populace.\nNot the criminals.",
">\n\nI'm sure the police won't jail them when they don't lol.",
">\n\nOh, this is sure to work. Do they not realize what criminals are? What they do?\nCome on.\nEdit: geez. The court has ordered that legal gun owners cannot carry their firearms around until after the inauguration. Why? \nWhat will ordering law abiding, licensed (because legally you need a license to own a firearm in Brazil) accomplish? Carrying firearms outside the home is generally illegal as it is. Typically only law enforcement is legally permitted to carry outside the home. So does this ruling simply make it double illegal?\nIs the court under the impression that an already illegal action will not be taken because it was made double illegal? \nIf someone is going to be out and about carrying a firearm in Brazil, particularly Brasilia, it is a safe assumption on the part of law enforcement there that the person is a danger. \nThis decree doesn’t change anything. It doesn’t accomplish anything.",
">\n\nYour law abiding citizens threatening people by showing up to lgbt events armed with weapons?",
">\n\nWhat does any of that have to do with the fact that massive amounts of republicans are showing up armed to CLEARLY intimidate the opposition?",
">\n\nMuito bem…",
">\n\nGuns that will be used in crime anyway are ok? Asking for a friend.",
">\n\nYou don't have friends lmao",
">\n\nBut local guns are fine?"
] |
>
Got to protect the leader that won after previously being convicted of corruption (that was overturned over jurisdiction and not because he was innocent)
|
[
"I thought carrying a gun outside of one's home was already illegal in Brazil",
">\n\nSo did I.",
">\n\nLet's play a game called \"Spot the Americans in the comment section\"!",
">\n\nMore like spot the uninformed American. Guns are banned at many of our political events too.",
">\n\nAnybody from outside the USA: This seems sensible.\nAmerican gun nuts: Who will stop the criminals in that foreign country! They want my guns!",
">\n\nAmerican here. Totally sensible. Have a nice day.",
">\n\nHe should just do it by video at this point… there seems to be too much of a J6 vibe to it",
">\n\n\"look, we aren't saying you can't have a gun, we aren't even saying you can't carry a gun. We're just saying you can't carry a gun in town\" Virgil Earp, from the movie Tombstone...I think I got it right.",
">\n\nI'm sure all the criminals will obey lol.\nOh lawless favellas don't exist?\nGun control is to control the law abiding populace.\nNot the criminals.",
">\n\nI'm sure the police won't jail them when they don't lol.",
">\n\nOh, this is sure to work. Do they not realize what criminals are? What they do?\nCome on.\nEdit: geez. The court has ordered that legal gun owners cannot carry their firearms around until after the inauguration. Why? \nWhat will ordering law abiding, licensed (because legally you need a license to own a firearm in Brazil) accomplish? Carrying firearms outside the home is generally illegal as it is. Typically only law enforcement is legally permitted to carry outside the home. So does this ruling simply make it double illegal?\nIs the court under the impression that an already illegal action will not be taken because it was made double illegal? \nIf someone is going to be out and about carrying a firearm in Brazil, particularly Brasilia, it is a safe assumption on the part of law enforcement there that the person is a danger. \nThis decree doesn’t change anything. It doesn’t accomplish anything.",
">\n\nYour law abiding citizens threatening people by showing up to lgbt events armed with weapons?",
">\n\nWhat does any of that have to do with the fact that massive amounts of republicans are showing up armed to CLEARLY intimidate the opposition?",
">\n\nMuito bem…",
">\n\nGuns that will be used in crime anyway are ok? Asking for a friend.",
">\n\nYou don't have friends lmao",
">\n\nBut local guns are fine?",
">\n\n\nBut local guns are fine?\n\nWhat do you mean by that? The inauguration will be in the capital."
] |
>
Yes, it makes sense to protect the elected leader of your country. I'm glad you solved that one.
|
[
"I thought carrying a gun outside of one's home was already illegal in Brazil",
">\n\nSo did I.",
">\n\nLet's play a game called \"Spot the Americans in the comment section\"!",
">\n\nMore like spot the uninformed American. Guns are banned at many of our political events too.",
">\n\nAnybody from outside the USA: This seems sensible.\nAmerican gun nuts: Who will stop the criminals in that foreign country! They want my guns!",
">\n\nAmerican here. Totally sensible. Have a nice day.",
">\n\nHe should just do it by video at this point… there seems to be too much of a J6 vibe to it",
">\n\n\"look, we aren't saying you can't have a gun, we aren't even saying you can't carry a gun. We're just saying you can't carry a gun in town\" Virgil Earp, from the movie Tombstone...I think I got it right.",
">\n\nI'm sure all the criminals will obey lol.\nOh lawless favellas don't exist?\nGun control is to control the law abiding populace.\nNot the criminals.",
">\n\nI'm sure the police won't jail them when they don't lol.",
">\n\nOh, this is sure to work. Do they not realize what criminals are? What they do?\nCome on.\nEdit: geez. The court has ordered that legal gun owners cannot carry their firearms around until after the inauguration. Why? \nWhat will ordering law abiding, licensed (because legally you need a license to own a firearm in Brazil) accomplish? Carrying firearms outside the home is generally illegal as it is. Typically only law enforcement is legally permitted to carry outside the home. So does this ruling simply make it double illegal?\nIs the court under the impression that an already illegal action will not be taken because it was made double illegal? \nIf someone is going to be out and about carrying a firearm in Brazil, particularly Brasilia, it is a safe assumption on the part of law enforcement there that the person is a danger. \nThis decree doesn’t change anything. It doesn’t accomplish anything.",
">\n\nYour law abiding citizens threatening people by showing up to lgbt events armed with weapons?",
">\n\nWhat does any of that have to do with the fact that massive amounts of republicans are showing up armed to CLEARLY intimidate the opposition?",
">\n\nMuito bem…",
">\n\nGuns that will be used in crime anyway are ok? Asking for a friend.",
">\n\nYou don't have friends lmao",
">\n\nBut local guns are fine?",
">\n\n\nBut local guns are fine?\n\nWhat do you mean by that? The inauguration will be in the capital.",
">\n\nGot to protect the leader that won after previously being convicted of corruption (that was overturned over jurisdiction and not because he was innocent)"
] |
>
Most legitimately elected leaders dont need to do city wide bans to accomplish this.
|
[
"I thought carrying a gun outside of one's home was already illegal in Brazil",
">\n\nSo did I.",
">\n\nLet's play a game called \"Spot the Americans in the comment section\"!",
">\n\nMore like spot the uninformed American. Guns are banned at many of our political events too.",
">\n\nAnybody from outside the USA: This seems sensible.\nAmerican gun nuts: Who will stop the criminals in that foreign country! They want my guns!",
">\n\nAmerican here. Totally sensible. Have a nice day.",
">\n\nHe should just do it by video at this point… there seems to be too much of a J6 vibe to it",
">\n\n\"look, we aren't saying you can't have a gun, we aren't even saying you can't carry a gun. We're just saying you can't carry a gun in town\" Virgil Earp, from the movie Tombstone...I think I got it right.",
">\n\nI'm sure all the criminals will obey lol.\nOh lawless favellas don't exist?\nGun control is to control the law abiding populace.\nNot the criminals.",
">\n\nI'm sure the police won't jail them when they don't lol.",
">\n\nOh, this is sure to work. Do they not realize what criminals are? What they do?\nCome on.\nEdit: geez. The court has ordered that legal gun owners cannot carry their firearms around until after the inauguration. Why? \nWhat will ordering law abiding, licensed (because legally you need a license to own a firearm in Brazil) accomplish? Carrying firearms outside the home is generally illegal as it is. Typically only law enforcement is legally permitted to carry outside the home. So does this ruling simply make it double illegal?\nIs the court under the impression that an already illegal action will not be taken because it was made double illegal? \nIf someone is going to be out and about carrying a firearm in Brazil, particularly Brasilia, it is a safe assumption on the part of law enforcement there that the person is a danger. \nThis decree doesn’t change anything. It doesn’t accomplish anything.",
">\n\nYour law abiding citizens threatening people by showing up to lgbt events armed with weapons?",
">\n\nWhat does any of that have to do with the fact that massive amounts of republicans are showing up armed to CLEARLY intimidate the opposition?",
">\n\nMuito bem…",
">\n\nGuns that will be used in crime anyway are ok? Asking for a friend.",
">\n\nYou don't have friends lmao",
">\n\nBut local guns are fine?",
">\n\n\nBut local guns are fine?\n\nWhat do you mean by that? The inauguration will be in the capital.",
">\n\nGot to protect the leader that won after previously being convicted of corruption (that was overturned over jurisdiction and not because he was innocent)",
">\n\nYes, it makes sense to protect the elected leader of your country. I'm glad you solved that one."
] |
>
Most legitimately elected leaders didn't run against right-wing nuts with cult-like status amongst loonies.
|
[
"I thought carrying a gun outside of one's home was already illegal in Brazil",
">\n\nSo did I.",
">\n\nLet's play a game called \"Spot the Americans in the comment section\"!",
">\n\nMore like spot the uninformed American. Guns are banned at many of our political events too.",
">\n\nAnybody from outside the USA: This seems sensible.\nAmerican gun nuts: Who will stop the criminals in that foreign country! They want my guns!",
">\n\nAmerican here. Totally sensible. Have a nice day.",
">\n\nHe should just do it by video at this point… there seems to be too much of a J6 vibe to it",
">\n\n\"look, we aren't saying you can't have a gun, we aren't even saying you can't carry a gun. We're just saying you can't carry a gun in town\" Virgil Earp, from the movie Tombstone...I think I got it right.",
">\n\nI'm sure all the criminals will obey lol.\nOh lawless favellas don't exist?\nGun control is to control the law abiding populace.\nNot the criminals.",
">\n\nI'm sure the police won't jail them when they don't lol.",
">\n\nOh, this is sure to work. Do they not realize what criminals are? What they do?\nCome on.\nEdit: geez. The court has ordered that legal gun owners cannot carry their firearms around until after the inauguration. Why? \nWhat will ordering law abiding, licensed (because legally you need a license to own a firearm in Brazil) accomplish? Carrying firearms outside the home is generally illegal as it is. Typically only law enforcement is legally permitted to carry outside the home. So does this ruling simply make it double illegal?\nIs the court under the impression that an already illegal action will not be taken because it was made double illegal? \nIf someone is going to be out and about carrying a firearm in Brazil, particularly Brasilia, it is a safe assumption on the part of law enforcement there that the person is a danger. \nThis decree doesn’t change anything. It doesn’t accomplish anything.",
">\n\nYour law abiding citizens threatening people by showing up to lgbt events armed with weapons?",
">\n\nWhat does any of that have to do with the fact that massive amounts of republicans are showing up armed to CLEARLY intimidate the opposition?",
">\n\nMuito bem…",
">\n\nGuns that will be used in crime anyway are ok? Asking for a friend.",
">\n\nYou don't have friends lmao",
">\n\nBut local guns are fine?",
">\n\n\nBut local guns are fine?\n\nWhat do you mean by that? The inauguration will be in the capital.",
">\n\nGot to protect the leader that won after previously being convicted of corruption (that was overturned over jurisdiction and not because he was innocent)",
">\n\nYes, it makes sense to protect the elected leader of your country. I'm glad you solved that one.",
">\n\nMost legitimately elected leaders dont need to do city wide bans to accomplish this."
] |
>
People previously convicted of corruption don't win legitimate elections.
|
[
"I thought carrying a gun outside of one's home was already illegal in Brazil",
">\n\nSo did I.",
">\n\nLet's play a game called \"Spot the Americans in the comment section\"!",
">\n\nMore like spot the uninformed American. Guns are banned at many of our political events too.",
">\n\nAnybody from outside the USA: This seems sensible.\nAmerican gun nuts: Who will stop the criminals in that foreign country! They want my guns!",
">\n\nAmerican here. Totally sensible. Have a nice day.",
">\n\nHe should just do it by video at this point… there seems to be too much of a J6 vibe to it",
">\n\n\"look, we aren't saying you can't have a gun, we aren't even saying you can't carry a gun. We're just saying you can't carry a gun in town\" Virgil Earp, from the movie Tombstone...I think I got it right.",
">\n\nI'm sure all the criminals will obey lol.\nOh lawless favellas don't exist?\nGun control is to control the law abiding populace.\nNot the criminals.",
">\n\nI'm sure the police won't jail them when they don't lol.",
">\n\nOh, this is sure to work. Do they not realize what criminals are? What they do?\nCome on.\nEdit: geez. The court has ordered that legal gun owners cannot carry their firearms around until after the inauguration. Why? \nWhat will ordering law abiding, licensed (because legally you need a license to own a firearm in Brazil) accomplish? Carrying firearms outside the home is generally illegal as it is. Typically only law enforcement is legally permitted to carry outside the home. So does this ruling simply make it double illegal?\nIs the court under the impression that an already illegal action will not be taken because it was made double illegal? \nIf someone is going to be out and about carrying a firearm in Brazil, particularly Brasilia, it is a safe assumption on the part of law enforcement there that the person is a danger. \nThis decree doesn’t change anything. It doesn’t accomplish anything.",
">\n\nYour law abiding citizens threatening people by showing up to lgbt events armed with weapons?",
">\n\nWhat does any of that have to do with the fact that massive amounts of republicans are showing up armed to CLEARLY intimidate the opposition?",
">\n\nMuito bem…",
">\n\nGuns that will be used in crime anyway are ok? Asking for a friend.",
">\n\nYou don't have friends lmao",
">\n\nBut local guns are fine?",
">\n\n\nBut local guns are fine?\n\nWhat do you mean by that? The inauguration will be in the capital.",
">\n\nGot to protect the leader that won after previously being convicted of corruption (that was overturned over jurisdiction and not because he was innocent)",
">\n\nYes, it makes sense to protect the elected leader of your country. I'm glad you solved that one.",
">\n\nMost legitimately elected leaders dont need to do city wide bans to accomplish this.",
">\n\nMost legitimately elected leaders didn't run against right-wing nuts with cult-like status amongst loonies."
] |
>
I'm not going to comment on the legal system of another country, but there are plenty of openly (but not convinced) leaders all over the world winning illegitimate and legitimate elections.
|
[
"I thought carrying a gun outside of one's home was already illegal in Brazil",
">\n\nSo did I.",
">\n\nLet's play a game called \"Spot the Americans in the comment section\"!",
">\n\nMore like spot the uninformed American. Guns are banned at many of our political events too.",
">\n\nAnybody from outside the USA: This seems sensible.\nAmerican gun nuts: Who will stop the criminals in that foreign country! They want my guns!",
">\n\nAmerican here. Totally sensible. Have a nice day.",
">\n\nHe should just do it by video at this point… there seems to be too much of a J6 vibe to it",
">\n\n\"look, we aren't saying you can't have a gun, we aren't even saying you can't carry a gun. We're just saying you can't carry a gun in town\" Virgil Earp, from the movie Tombstone...I think I got it right.",
">\n\nI'm sure all the criminals will obey lol.\nOh lawless favellas don't exist?\nGun control is to control the law abiding populace.\nNot the criminals.",
">\n\nI'm sure the police won't jail them when they don't lol.",
">\n\nOh, this is sure to work. Do they not realize what criminals are? What they do?\nCome on.\nEdit: geez. The court has ordered that legal gun owners cannot carry their firearms around until after the inauguration. Why? \nWhat will ordering law abiding, licensed (because legally you need a license to own a firearm in Brazil) accomplish? Carrying firearms outside the home is generally illegal as it is. Typically only law enforcement is legally permitted to carry outside the home. So does this ruling simply make it double illegal?\nIs the court under the impression that an already illegal action will not be taken because it was made double illegal? \nIf someone is going to be out and about carrying a firearm in Brazil, particularly Brasilia, it is a safe assumption on the part of law enforcement there that the person is a danger. \nThis decree doesn’t change anything. It doesn’t accomplish anything.",
">\n\nYour law abiding citizens threatening people by showing up to lgbt events armed with weapons?",
">\n\nWhat does any of that have to do with the fact that massive amounts of republicans are showing up armed to CLEARLY intimidate the opposition?",
">\n\nMuito bem…",
">\n\nGuns that will be used in crime anyway are ok? Asking for a friend.",
">\n\nYou don't have friends lmao",
">\n\nBut local guns are fine?",
">\n\n\nBut local guns are fine?\n\nWhat do you mean by that? The inauguration will be in the capital.",
">\n\nGot to protect the leader that won after previously being convicted of corruption (that was overturned over jurisdiction and not because he was innocent)",
">\n\nYes, it makes sense to protect the elected leader of your country. I'm glad you solved that one.",
">\n\nMost legitimately elected leaders dont need to do city wide bans to accomplish this.",
">\n\nMost legitimately elected leaders didn't run against right-wing nuts with cult-like status amongst loonies.",
">\n\nPeople previously convicted of corruption don't win legitimate elections."
] |
>
Bit of a difference between convicted and not convicted mate.
|
[
"I thought carrying a gun outside of one's home was already illegal in Brazil",
">\n\nSo did I.",
">\n\nLet's play a game called \"Spot the Americans in the comment section\"!",
">\n\nMore like spot the uninformed American. Guns are banned at many of our political events too.",
">\n\nAnybody from outside the USA: This seems sensible.\nAmerican gun nuts: Who will stop the criminals in that foreign country! They want my guns!",
">\n\nAmerican here. Totally sensible. Have a nice day.",
">\n\nHe should just do it by video at this point… there seems to be too much of a J6 vibe to it",
">\n\n\"look, we aren't saying you can't have a gun, we aren't even saying you can't carry a gun. We're just saying you can't carry a gun in town\" Virgil Earp, from the movie Tombstone...I think I got it right.",
">\n\nI'm sure all the criminals will obey lol.\nOh lawless favellas don't exist?\nGun control is to control the law abiding populace.\nNot the criminals.",
">\n\nI'm sure the police won't jail them when they don't lol.",
">\n\nOh, this is sure to work. Do they not realize what criminals are? What they do?\nCome on.\nEdit: geez. The court has ordered that legal gun owners cannot carry their firearms around until after the inauguration. Why? \nWhat will ordering law abiding, licensed (because legally you need a license to own a firearm in Brazil) accomplish? Carrying firearms outside the home is generally illegal as it is. Typically only law enforcement is legally permitted to carry outside the home. So does this ruling simply make it double illegal?\nIs the court under the impression that an already illegal action will not be taken because it was made double illegal? \nIf someone is going to be out and about carrying a firearm in Brazil, particularly Brasilia, it is a safe assumption on the part of law enforcement there that the person is a danger. \nThis decree doesn’t change anything. It doesn’t accomplish anything.",
">\n\nYour law abiding citizens threatening people by showing up to lgbt events armed with weapons?",
">\n\nWhat does any of that have to do with the fact that massive amounts of republicans are showing up armed to CLEARLY intimidate the opposition?",
">\n\nMuito bem…",
">\n\nGuns that will be used in crime anyway are ok? Asking for a friend.",
">\n\nYou don't have friends lmao",
">\n\nBut local guns are fine?",
">\n\n\nBut local guns are fine?\n\nWhat do you mean by that? The inauguration will be in the capital.",
">\n\nGot to protect the leader that won after previously being convicted of corruption (that was overturned over jurisdiction and not because he was innocent)",
">\n\nYes, it makes sense to protect the elected leader of your country. I'm glad you solved that one.",
">\n\nMost legitimately elected leaders dont need to do city wide bans to accomplish this.",
">\n\nMost legitimately elected leaders didn't run against right-wing nuts with cult-like status amongst loonies.",
">\n\nPeople previously convicted of corruption don't win legitimate elections.",
">\n\nI'm not going to comment on the legal system of another country, but there are plenty of openly (but not convinced) leaders all over the world winning illegitimate and legitimate elections."
] |
>
The difference is a working criminal justice system (or at least one not corrupted by the politicians). Come and see the British Tories, you'll see the open corruption overflowing.
|
[
"I thought carrying a gun outside of one's home was already illegal in Brazil",
">\n\nSo did I.",
">\n\nLet's play a game called \"Spot the Americans in the comment section\"!",
">\n\nMore like spot the uninformed American. Guns are banned at many of our political events too.",
">\n\nAnybody from outside the USA: This seems sensible.\nAmerican gun nuts: Who will stop the criminals in that foreign country! They want my guns!",
">\n\nAmerican here. Totally sensible. Have a nice day.",
">\n\nHe should just do it by video at this point… there seems to be too much of a J6 vibe to it",
">\n\n\"look, we aren't saying you can't have a gun, we aren't even saying you can't carry a gun. We're just saying you can't carry a gun in town\" Virgil Earp, from the movie Tombstone...I think I got it right.",
">\n\nI'm sure all the criminals will obey lol.\nOh lawless favellas don't exist?\nGun control is to control the law abiding populace.\nNot the criminals.",
">\n\nI'm sure the police won't jail them when they don't lol.",
">\n\nOh, this is sure to work. Do they not realize what criminals are? What they do?\nCome on.\nEdit: geez. The court has ordered that legal gun owners cannot carry their firearms around until after the inauguration. Why? \nWhat will ordering law abiding, licensed (because legally you need a license to own a firearm in Brazil) accomplish? Carrying firearms outside the home is generally illegal as it is. Typically only law enforcement is legally permitted to carry outside the home. So does this ruling simply make it double illegal?\nIs the court under the impression that an already illegal action will not be taken because it was made double illegal? \nIf someone is going to be out and about carrying a firearm in Brazil, particularly Brasilia, it is a safe assumption on the part of law enforcement there that the person is a danger. \nThis decree doesn’t change anything. It doesn’t accomplish anything.",
">\n\nYour law abiding citizens threatening people by showing up to lgbt events armed with weapons?",
">\n\nWhat does any of that have to do with the fact that massive amounts of republicans are showing up armed to CLEARLY intimidate the opposition?",
">\n\nMuito bem…",
">\n\nGuns that will be used in crime anyway are ok? Asking for a friend.",
">\n\nYou don't have friends lmao",
">\n\nBut local guns are fine?",
">\n\n\nBut local guns are fine?\n\nWhat do you mean by that? The inauguration will be in the capital.",
">\n\nGot to protect the leader that won after previously being convicted of corruption (that was overturned over jurisdiction and not because he was innocent)",
">\n\nYes, it makes sense to protect the elected leader of your country. I'm glad you solved that one.",
">\n\nMost legitimately elected leaders dont need to do city wide bans to accomplish this.",
">\n\nMost legitimately elected leaders didn't run against right-wing nuts with cult-like status amongst loonies.",
">\n\nPeople previously convicted of corruption don't win legitimate elections.",
">\n\nI'm not going to comment on the legal system of another country, but there are plenty of openly (but not convinced) leaders all over the world winning illegitimate and legitimate elections.",
">\n\nBit of a difference between convicted and not convicted mate."
] |
>
It's not a working criminal justice system when a supreme court that was mostly appointed by him annuls the conviction based on jurisdiction not evidence.
|
[
"I thought carrying a gun outside of one's home was already illegal in Brazil",
">\n\nSo did I.",
">\n\nLet's play a game called \"Spot the Americans in the comment section\"!",
">\n\nMore like spot the uninformed American. Guns are banned at many of our political events too.",
">\n\nAnybody from outside the USA: This seems sensible.\nAmerican gun nuts: Who will stop the criminals in that foreign country! They want my guns!",
">\n\nAmerican here. Totally sensible. Have a nice day.",
">\n\nHe should just do it by video at this point… there seems to be too much of a J6 vibe to it",
">\n\n\"look, we aren't saying you can't have a gun, we aren't even saying you can't carry a gun. We're just saying you can't carry a gun in town\" Virgil Earp, from the movie Tombstone...I think I got it right.",
">\n\nI'm sure all the criminals will obey lol.\nOh lawless favellas don't exist?\nGun control is to control the law abiding populace.\nNot the criminals.",
">\n\nI'm sure the police won't jail them when they don't lol.",
">\n\nOh, this is sure to work. Do they not realize what criminals are? What they do?\nCome on.\nEdit: geez. The court has ordered that legal gun owners cannot carry their firearms around until after the inauguration. Why? \nWhat will ordering law abiding, licensed (because legally you need a license to own a firearm in Brazil) accomplish? Carrying firearms outside the home is generally illegal as it is. Typically only law enforcement is legally permitted to carry outside the home. So does this ruling simply make it double illegal?\nIs the court under the impression that an already illegal action will not be taken because it was made double illegal? \nIf someone is going to be out and about carrying a firearm in Brazil, particularly Brasilia, it is a safe assumption on the part of law enforcement there that the person is a danger. \nThis decree doesn’t change anything. It doesn’t accomplish anything.",
">\n\nYour law abiding citizens threatening people by showing up to lgbt events armed with weapons?",
">\n\nWhat does any of that have to do with the fact that massive amounts of republicans are showing up armed to CLEARLY intimidate the opposition?",
">\n\nMuito bem…",
">\n\nGuns that will be used in crime anyway are ok? Asking for a friend.",
">\n\nYou don't have friends lmao",
">\n\nBut local guns are fine?",
">\n\n\nBut local guns are fine?\n\nWhat do you mean by that? The inauguration will be in the capital.",
">\n\nGot to protect the leader that won after previously being convicted of corruption (that was overturned over jurisdiction and not because he was innocent)",
">\n\nYes, it makes sense to protect the elected leader of your country. I'm glad you solved that one.",
">\n\nMost legitimately elected leaders dont need to do city wide bans to accomplish this.",
">\n\nMost legitimately elected leaders didn't run against right-wing nuts with cult-like status amongst loonies.",
">\n\nPeople previously convicted of corruption don't win legitimate elections.",
">\n\nI'm not going to comment on the legal system of another country, but there are plenty of openly (but not convinced) leaders all over the world winning illegitimate and legitimate elections.",
">\n\nBit of a difference between convicted and not convicted mate.",
">\n\nThe difference is a working criminal justice system (or at least one not corrupted by the politicians). Come and see the British Tories, you'll see the open corruption overflowing."
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"I thought carrying a gun outside of one's home was already illegal in Brazil",
">\n\nSo did I.",
">\n\nLet's play a game called \"Spot the Americans in the comment section\"!",
">\n\nMore like spot the uninformed American. Guns are banned at many of our political events too.",
">\n\nAnybody from outside the USA: This seems sensible.\nAmerican gun nuts: Who will stop the criminals in that foreign country! They want my guns!",
">\n\nAmerican here. Totally sensible. Have a nice day.",
">\n\nHe should just do it by video at this point… there seems to be too much of a J6 vibe to it",
">\n\n\"look, we aren't saying you can't have a gun, we aren't even saying you can't carry a gun. We're just saying you can't carry a gun in town\" Virgil Earp, from the movie Tombstone...I think I got it right.",
">\n\nI'm sure all the criminals will obey lol.\nOh lawless favellas don't exist?\nGun control is to control the law abiding populace.\nNot the criminals.",
">\n\nI'm sure the police won't jail them when they don't lol.",
">\n\nOh, this is sure to work. Do they not realize what criminals are? What they do?\nCome on.\nEdit: geez. The court has ordered that legal gun owners cannot carry their firearms around until after the inauguration. Why? \nWhat will ordering law abiding, licensed (because legally you need a license to own a firearm in Brazil) accomplish? Carrying firearms outside the home is generally illegal as it is. Typically only law enforcement is legally permitted to carry outside the home. So does this ruling simply make it double illegal?\nIs the court under the impression that an already illegal action will not be taken because it was made double illegal? \nIf someone is going to be out and about carrying a firearm in Brazil, particularly Brasilia, it is a safe assumption on the part of law enforcement there that the person is a danger. \nThis decree doesn’t change anything. It doesn’t accomplish anything.",
">\n\nYour law abiding citizens threatening people by showing up to lgbt events armed with weapons?",
">\n\nWhat does any of that have to do with the fact that massive amounts of republicans are showing up armed to CLEARLY intimidate the opposition?",
">\n\nMuito bem…",
">\n\nGuns that will be used in crime anyway are ok? Asking for a friend.",
">\n\nYou don't have friends lmao",
">\n\nBut local guns are fine?",
">\n\n\nBut local guns are fine?\n\nWhat do you mean by that? The inauguration will be in the capital.",
">\n\nGot to protect the leader that won after previously being convicted of corruption (that was overturned over jurisdiction and not because he was innocent)",
">\n\nYes, it makes sense to protect the elected leader of your country. I'm glad you solved that one.",
">\n\nMost legitimately elected leaders dont need to do city wide bans to accomplish this.",
">\n\nMost legitimately elected leaders didn't run against right-wing nuts with cult-like status amongst loonies.",
">\n\nPeople previously convicted of corruption don't win legitimate elections.",
">\n\nI'm not going to comment on the legal system of another country, but there are plenty of openly (but not convinced) leaders all over the world winning illegitimate and legitimate elections.",
">\n\nBit of a difference between convicted and not convicted mate.",
">\n\nThe difference is a working criminal justice system (or at least one not corrupted by the politicians). Come and see the British Tories, you'll see the open corruption overflowing.",
">\n\nIt's not a working criminal justice system when a supreme court that was mostly appointed by him annuls the conviction based on jurisdiction not evidence."
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Yet when classes our taught on the subject, and people talk about these ancient times, it seems everyone talks as if what we know is fact, and/or that it is comprehensive.
Are you sure about this? Certainly when I've taken history classes or attended talks, the speakers are, generally, careful to cite their sources and put what we think we know in the context of what can possibly be known.
I think historians take it as a given that they're always working with incompete data and that their analyses may be challenged with new findings. Perhaps that's not been communicated well in the lectures you've attended?
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