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You're being down voted for worrying about the wrong person. The child is the one that needs compassion. The abusers needs are less important.
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"That website is giving my browser cancer so here's the text for anyone else who can't get it to load properly.\n\nTETERBORO — A mother kicked her baby daughter and sent the child careening across the floor after shoplifting from Walmart, according to police.\nJamira McDaniel, 23, of Paterson, was caught stealing at the supercenter in Teterboro by Walmart theft protection personnel on Tuesday, Moonachie Police Lt. Jeff Napolitano confirmed to New Jersey 101.5.\nMcDaniel was with her 1-year-old girl and the child's aunt.\nAfter she was taken to the store's security office, McDaniel placed the baby girl on the ground and kicked her in the back, Napolitano said. The toddler was sent across the floor and into the security office.\nAccording to Napolitano, the incident was caught on security cameras. He said video of the kick was turned over to Bergen County court but was not yet publicly available.\nThe theft protection workers then picked up the inconsolable child, handed her to McDaniel's sister, and called the police.\n\"McDaniel, upset by the girl who was now screaming and crying while being held by her aunt, began punching walls and yelling for the baby to stop crying,\" Napolitano explained. \"McDaniel also grabbed the baby and began to shake her while she was being held by her aunt.\"\nMoonachie cops soon arrived at the store and called an ambulance to evaluate the baby. Fortunately, first responders found the child was uninjured.\nThe mother is charged with endangering the welfare of a child, assault, shoplifting, and criminal mischief, according to Napolitano.\nMcDaniel was sent to Bergen County jail, which is where she remains as of Wednesday evening. The aunt was not charged and the child was given to family members.\n\nGod help that poor baby.",
">\n\nSome people really need to not have kids",
">\n\nMore people should have abortions. If someone cannot or doesn’t want to raise a child abortion should be the first choice. Bringing children into this world only for them to suffer is awful. So many wind up in the foster system and no one adopts them then they age out. Then you have adults who have no family or resources and continue to suffer. \nAnytime someone says abortion is bad and they should just birth the child and give it up for adoption should be required to take one of those children into their homes. \nCausing unwavering suffering of another living being is immoral.",
">\n\nI absolutely agree but there is also a large subset of people that WANT to have kids but are still completely awful parents.",
">\n\nHence, the reverse abortion! A simple way to solve these issues",
">\n\nWhat's a reverse abortion? Shoving the child back up the coochie and into the uterus?? \nMaybe I'm just super dumb today and drank too much or too little coffee, but I really don't know what a reverse abortion would be. \nAm I going to feel really stupid when you tell me? If so, that's ok, just tell me anyway, I'm used to feeling stupid.",
">\n\nInstead of aborting babies, abort the parents",
">\n\nCan you legally abort a baby after 18 years?",
">\n\nSometimes I ask my mom if she would feel comfortable having a 124th trimester abortion. My brother is not working out.",
">\n\nReading that article, it sounds like being a shoplifter is the best thing about her.",
">\n\nWhen my kids were little I found it almost impossible to read articles like this. They would stick with me for days or weeks. \nI really hope that baby ends up in a loving home because game fucking over for mom.",
">\n\nI have a 1½‐year-old and reading this makes me want to cry.",
">\n\nSame. I just can’t read anything like this, it’s so horrifying. And I just hold my kiddo and cry and then be sad I can’t love all the babies and protect them all. \nKids are just so freaking pure and good and they just want to be loved and safe like that’s it man. How could you do something to something so innocent?",
">\n\nReading your comment, in contrast to OP’s horror inducing title, legit just brought a tear to my eye. Makes me hug my kiddos extra just thinking about it!",
">\n\nIf she kicks and shakes the baby in public, I can’t imagine what she does to that poor child at home. Disgusting woman.",
">\n\nAbortion should be legal so we can make sure this woman never existed.",
">\n\nWe should be able to abort the mother in this instance.",
">\n\nThat’s… that’s what he just inferred",
">\n\nDoesn't hurt to drive the point home",
">\n\nYou see horrible parenting in a walmart any day, but this is is, I think, the worst I've heard of. I hope she doesn't get that poor kid back.",
">\n\nUnfortunately, in this circumstance, it's better for her to do this shit in public and get caught so the baby (and other possible kids) gets taken away. If that's what she does in public, imagine what she does behind closed doors.",
">\n\nHoly fuck, Adblock on Firefox shows 450+ blocked on that website alone???",
">\n\nNow do you see why everyone on reddit is losing their mind over the news that Chrome is preventing ad block.\nIf you haven't switched to Firefox or something else, you might want to start test driving a few browsers because good LORD you have no idea how bad things are without ad block.",
">\n\nPiece of trash. Even reading the article boils my blood.",
">\n\nDefinitely r/iamatotalpieceofshit material",
">\n\nThank god she showed her true abusive colours while on camera and in front of everyone. Now the kid will be protected from her and serious injury/trauma prevented.",
">\n\nI hope this baby finds her way to a loving and caring mother, and I hope this lady gets the mental help she needs.",
">\n\nYea and maybe my mom will quit drinking and my dad will come home.",
">\n\nHope is sometimes all we have",
">\n\nMy best friend’s mom was a foster parent for many years. She was well known by DFACS for taking in their most difficult cases, children of severe abuse, often arriving in the middle of the night with nothing more than the clothes on their backs. She didn’t have a lot of money, bit she somehow made due for all of the kids. She was practical and no nonsense, pragmatic and loving. I learned a lot about how to stretch a dollar to make struggle meals from her. Full bellies and full hearts.\nWhen I was a new mother, she was my lifeline. I knew nothing about babies and she patiently taught me what I needed to know. She talked me through my son’s first bath over the telephone, I was exhausted from lack of sleep because my baby had severe colic. And, Ms S would gather him into her arms and rock him in her special creaky rocking chair. And, he fell into a blissful and untroubled sleep. She was truly a baby whisperer. \nHer heart and soul were devoted to children who were victims of horrific abuse. She took in a toddler who had spent much of his young life living in a cage. He was non verbal and unable to walk. After several years, she brought him up to nearly his age level. He was walking and verbal. The state stepped in and returned him to his newly “reformed” mother.\nHe was returned to Ms S a year later, with severe setbacks. She did everything that she could for this boy. Bit, when the state took him back again, she was done. Eventually, her remaining kids aged out of the system.\nAnyway, long ass story. Please forgive me for this. I’m just thinking about the little girl from this story and hoping that she lands in the lap of a Ms S in a special creaky rocking chair and comes to know comfort from a truly caring person and never has to be returned to an uncaring and abusive ”mother”.\nRIP Ms S for being the only real mom to many kids and for being a very special Grandmom to my kids . Never forgotten and always remembered.",
">\n\nCool story man. She sounds like a fantastic person",
">\n\nI swear i think i live next to this woman... Always screaming and swearing at her kids at the top of her lungs...",
">\n\nCall cps. Lived in a similar situation awhile back. I was afraid to call, wish I would be called earlier looking back at it.",
">\n\nDealt with CPS as a child growing up. They don’t care. My parents would have gone to jail had i been an animal and they were just as abusive. Especially if the child has no other family nearby to take em.",
">\n\nSounds awful for you. Im really sorry. As far as CPS goes I didn’t know what else do to, any ideas in case I find myself in a similar situation?\nNot too long after I called they moved out in the middle of the night and left their dog behind. Wish they would have left the kids wouldve adopted them too. \nHope you’re doing good now internet stranger.",
">\n\nShe obviously can't be trusted with her child, but I hope she gets the help that she clearly needs.",
">\n\nShe obviously hates the child and doesn't know how to take care of it so it should be taken and given to somebody who can take care of it and appreciate it. \nIt really makes me sick that there's people out there that struggle to get pregnant and want so desperately to have babies... And then you have this woman who decides to use her baby like a football. 🙄",
">\n\nYeah I hear kangaroos will throw their babies out to escape",
">\n\nI’m not advocating for violence, but the blunt end of a shingler’s hatchet works wonders as an attitude-correction tool.",
">\n\nThat's very Walmart of her",
">\n\ndead kid walking\nmom will get a slap on the wrist, at some point the courts will agree to a reunification plan, mom gets kid back\nmom and her boyfriend beat kid to death after starving it and abusing it for it's short miserable life",
">\n\nThat is such an extremely disgusting act to do. Baby deserves better than that.",
">\n\nSomeone is about to lose her parental rights.",
">\n\nI really wish I never clicked on this post. Not everyone is fit to be a parent.",
">\n\nThe charges aren’t severe enough. “Endangering the welfare?” A kick from an adult can kill a one year old baby…\nShe needs to go to prison for good.",
">\n\nI expect a lot of stories like this over the next decade as abortion restrictions lead to people who aren't prepared for kids to become parents.",
">\n\nCan we not link everything that and instead focus on the fact this a shitty person instead?",
">\n\nok and abortion reduces the number of shitty people having children. it is all related.",
">\n\nThere is no guarantee shitty people would go about it. They still have to want to do it during a very limited window.",
">\n\nJust pure numbers, more abortions mean at least one less shitty person having kids",
">\n\nJust read the article, I hope the baby is safe, taken out of her custody permanently, and this vile bitch is spayed like a stray dog and thrown into jail for 5-7 years. (I'm aware that won't happen) Fucking worst type of human. Disgusting and reprehensible behavior.",
">\n\nWatch the downfall of Mankind: Go to r/publicfreakout search \"WalMart\"... \"Waffle House\", \"MacDonald's\" and \"Starbucks\" will suffice also.",
">\n\nI can't be the only who thinks it's interesting as a society we have to take have qualifications for certain jobs but to be a parent.. fuck it, you don't need training at all.. seems a little fucked up",
">\n\nThere are evil assholes in this thread saying that people have a god-given right to have, kill, barbecue and eat their own children. They claim it's \"freedom from state over-reach\", but it means they want to kill, barbecue and eat children with zero consequences. Child abuse is common in this world. My own father beat me until I put him in the hospital and then never saw him again. These assholes want to make sure fathers are allowed to beat their children freely, and that any child who defends themself is punished. Fuck those people!\nThe state has a role in protecting children. And anyone against it is an enemy of decency.",
">\n\nPaterson, NJ. No surprise....",
">\n\nThe surprise is it’s not Florida.",
">\n\nAnother baby mama loses her child. Don't worry; she'll make more.",
">\n\nThat is not a mom, this is a piece of trash that let some guy rawdog her.",
">\n\nSpay her and lock her up for ten years. In no way should she ever be in a position to bring more children into the world to abuse. \nWhat hasn't been caught on camera in this woman's home? What emotional damage has already been inflicted prior that might not be able to be fixed?",
">\n\nLike the quokka, shoplifters are known to throw their offspring down to bait predators and increase the chances of escape.",
">\n\nPrison and throw away the key",
">\n\nBruh that’s a rough 23 😬",
">\n\nSo a typical Walmart outing",
">\n\nI think this is the appropriate use of the phrase \"that woman is a cunt\".",
">\n\nLast minute effort to clinch the Mother of the Year Award?",
">\n\nThe Quokka defense rarely works for humans.",
">\n\nSo… another normal day at any American Walmart then?",
">\n\nFrankly the supreme court really messed us all up. But what we have here is someone that is obviously to unstable to be a parent.",
">\n\nWould be really hard to watch this and not punch that cunt in the face repeatedly. Maybe a kick or two as well.",
">\n\nIf she’s willing to do that in public, I can’t even fathom what she would do to that child at home.",
">\n\nThey call this a Soccer mom.",
">\n\nThrow her trashy ass in jail",
">\n\nI read stuff like this and realize some people aren’t worthy of living. Hope the kid turns out alright because she’s not worthy of anything.",
">\n\nThe cycle continues for that family. Always remember you can be the one to change things but it takes patience which I think is something that should be stressed a lot more but isn't. If you don't have patience then you won't be able to deal with a screaming 1-year-old. It's that simple.",
">\n\n\"Kick the baby!\" - Kyle Broflovski",
">\n\nThis is a horrifically damaged person. In no way do I excuse her abuse of this poor little baby, though.",
">\n\nYes, yes, bad mother, poor child and all that. Clearly this lady has some issues and very likely needs professional psychiatric help. Or maybe she's just a narcissistic, entitled asshole. Either way she should've never been saddled with a child.",
">\n\ni wish you weren't being downvoted, because obviously this woman has some issues, and the age of the child indicates that it could be postpartum depression, which is not nothing. or, like you said, she could just be an asshole. \nscreaming and punching a wall because a baby was crying? that is definitely not normal. obviously it's horrible that the baby has been abused, and thankfully it is physically okay from this assault, but the mom obviously needs help.",
">\n\nYeah, people in this thread are clamoring for her to be thrown in jail but that really isnt gonna solve anything (shed probably come out worse).\nShes clearly not all there.",
">\n\nand i'm getting downvoted for saying she needs help, lol what."
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Most Walmart sentence ever.
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"That website is giving my browser cancer so here's the text for anyone else who can't get it to load properly.\n\nTETERBORO — A mother kicked her baby daughter and sent the child careening across the floor after shoplifting from Walmart, according to police.\nJamira McDaniel, 23, of Paterson, was caught stealing at the supercenter in Teterboro by Walmart theft protection personnel on Tuesday, Moonachie Police Lt. Jeff Napolitano confirmed to New Jersey 101.5.\nMcDaniel was with her 1-year-old girl and the child's aunt.\nAfter she was taken to the store's security office, McDaniel placed the baby girl on the ground and kicked her in the back, Napolitano said. The toddler was sent across the floor and into the security office.\nAccording to Napolitano, the incident was caught on security cameras. He said video of the kick was turned over to Bergen County court but was not yet publicly available.\nThe theft protection workers then picked up the inconsolable child, handed her to McDaniel's sister, and called the police.\n\"McDaniel, upset by the girl who was now screaming and crying while being held by her aunt, began punching walls and yelling for the baby to stop crying,\" Napolitano explained. \"McDaniel also grabbed the baby and began to shake her while she was being held by her aunt.\"\nMoonachie cops soon arrived at the store and called an ambulance to evaluate the baby. Fortunately, first responders found the child was uninjured.\nThe mother is charged with endangering the welfare of a child, assault, shoplifting, and criminal mischief, according to Napolitano.\nMcDaniel was sent to Bergen County jail, which is where she remains as of Wednesday evening. The aunt was not charged and the child was given to family members.\n\nGod help that poor baby.",
">\n\nSome people really need to not have kids",
">\n\nMore people should have abortions. If someone cannot or doesn’t want to raise a child abortion should be the first choice. Bringing children into this world only for them to suffer is awful. So many wind up in the foster system and no one adopts them then they age out. Then you have adults who have no family or resources and continue to suffer. \nAnytime someone says abortion is bad and they should just birth the child and give it up for adoption should be required to take one of those children into their homes. \nCausing unwavering suffering of another living being is immoral.",
">\n\nI absolutely agree but there is also a large subset of people that WANT to have kids but are still completely awful parents.",
">\n\nHence, the reverse abortion! A simple way to solve these issues",
">\n\nWhat's a reverse abortion? Shoving the child back up the coochie and into the uterus?? \nMaybe I'm just super dumb today and drank too much or too little coffee, but I really don't know what a reverse abortion would be. \nAm I going to feel really stupid when you tell me? If so, that's ok, just tell me anyway, I'm used to feeling stupid.",
">\n\nInstead of aborting babies, abort the parents",
">\n\nCan you legally abort a baby after 18 years?",
">\n\nSometimes I ask my mom if she would feel comfortable having a 124th trimester abortion. My brother is not working out.",
">\n\nReading that article, it sounds like being a shoplifter is the best thing about her.",
">\n\nWhen my kids were little I found it almost impossible to read articles like this. They would stick with me for days or weeks. \nI really hope that baby ends up in a loving home because game fucking over for mom.",
">\n\nI have a 1½‐year-old and reading this makes me want to cry.",
">\n\nSame. I just can’t read anything like this, it’s so horrifying. And I just hold my kiddo and cry and then be sad I can’t love all the babies and protect them all. \nKids are just so freaking pure and good and they just want to be loved and safe like that’s it man. How could you do something to something so innocent?",
">\n\nReading your comment, in contrast to OP’s horror inducing title, legit just brought a tear to my eye. Makes me hug my kiddos extra just thinking about it!",
">\n\nIf she kicks and shakes the baby in public, I can’t imagine what she does to that poor child at home. Disgusting woman.",
">\n\nAbortion should be legal so we can make sure this woman never existed.",
">\n\nWe should be able to abort the mother in this instance.",
">\n\nThat’s… that’s what he just inferred",
">\n\nDoesn't hurt to drive the point home",
">\n\nYou see horrible parenting in a walmart any day, but this is is, I think, the worst I've heard of. I hope she doesn't get that poor kid back.",
">\n\nUnfortunately, in this circumstance, it's better for her to do this shit in public and get caught so the baby (and other possible kids) gets taken away. If that's what she does in public, imagine what she does behind closed doors.",
">\n\nHoly fuck, Adblock on Firefox shows 450+ blocked on that website alone???",
">\n\nNow do you see why everyone on reddit is losing their mind over the news that Chrome is preventing ad block.\nIf you haven't switched to Firefox or something else, you might want to start test driving a few browsers because good LORD you have no idea how bad things are without ad block.",
">\n\nPiece of trash. Even reading the article boils my blood.",
">\n\nDefinitely r/iamatotalpieceofshit material",
">\n\nThank god she showed her true abusive colours while on camera and in front of everyone. Now the kid will be protected from her and serious injury/trauma prevented.",
">\n\nI hope this baby finds her way to a loving and caring mother, and I hope this lady gets the mental help she needs.",
">\n\nYea and maybe my mom will quit drinking and my dad will come home.",
">\n\nHope is sometimes all we have",
">\n\nMy best friend’s mom was a foster parent for many years. She was well known by DFACS for taking in their most difficult cases, children of severe abuse, often arriving in the middle of the night with nothing more than the clothes on their backs. She didn’t have a lot of money, bit she somehow made due for all of the kids. She was practical and no nonsense, pragmatic and loving. I learned a lot about how to stretch a dollar to make struggle meals from her. Full bellies and full hearts.\nWhen I was a new mother, she was my lifeline. I knew nothing about babies and she patiently taught me what I needed to know. She talked me through my son’s first bath over the telephone, I was exhausted from lack of sleep because my baby had severe colic. And, Ms S would gather him into her arms and rock him in her special creaky rocking chair. And, he fell into a blissful and untroubled sleep. She was truly a baby whisperer. \nHer heart and soul were devoted to children who were victims of horrific abuse. She took in a toddler who had spent much of his young life living in a cage. He was non verbal and unable to walk. After several years, she brought him up to nearly his age level. He was walking and verbal. The state stepped in and returned him to his newly “reformed” mother.\nHe was returned to Ms S a year later, with severe setbacks. She did everything that she could for this boy. Bit, when the state took him back again, she was done. Eventually, her remaining kids aged out of the system.\nAnyway, long ass story. Please forgive me for this. I’m just thinking about the little girl from this story and hoping that she lands in the lap of a Ms S in a special creaky rocking chair and comes to know comfort from a truly caring person and never has to be returned to an uncaring and abusive ”mother”.\nRIP Ms S for being the only real mom to many kids and for being a very special Grandmom to my kids . Never forgotten and always remembered.",
">\n\nCool story man. She sounds like a fantastic person",
">\n\nI swear i think i live next to this woman... Always screaming and swearing at her kids at the top of her lungs...",
">\n\nCall cps. Lived in a similar situation awhile back. I was afraid to call, wish I would be called earlier looking back at it.",
">\n\nDealt with CPS as a child growing up. They don’t care. My parents would have gone to jail had i been an animal and they were just as abusive. Especially if the child has no other family nearby to take em.",
">\n\nSounds awful for you. Im really sorry. As far as CPS goes I didn’t know what else do to, any ideas in case I find myself in a similar situation?\nNot too long after I called they moved out in the middle of the night and left their dog behind. Wish they would have left the kids wouldve adopted them too. \nHope you’re doing good now internet stranger.",
">\n\nShe obviously can't be trusted with her child, but I hope she gets the help that she clearly needs.",
">\n\nShe obviously hates the child and doesn't know how to take care of it so it should be taken and given to somebody who can take care of it and appreciate it. \nIt really makes me sick that there's people out there that struggle to get pregnant and want so desperately to have babies... And then you have this woman who decides to use her baby like a football. 🙄",
">\n\nYeah I hear kangaroos will throw their babies out to escape",
">\n\nI’m not advocating for violence, but the blunt end of a shingler’s hatchet works wonders as an attitude-correction tool.",
">\n\nThat's very Walmart of her",
">\n\ndead kid walking\nmom will get a slap on the wrist, at some point the courts will agree to a reunification plan, mom gets kid back\nmom and her boyfriend beat kid to death after starving it and abusing it for it's short miserable life",
">\n\nThat is such an extremely disgusting act to do. Baby deserves better than that.",
">\n\nSomeone is about to lose her parental rights.",
">\n\nI really wish I never clicked on this post. Not everyone is fit to be a parent.",
">\n\nThe charges aren’t severe enough. “Endangering the welfare?” A kick from an adult can kill a one year old baby…\nShe needs to go to prison for good.",
">\n\nI expect a lot of stories like this over the next decade as abortion restrictions lead to people who aren't prepared for kids to become parents.",
">\n\nCan we not link everything that and instead focus on the fact this a shitty person instead?",
">\n\nok and abortion reduces the number of shitty people having children. it is all related.",
">\n\nThere is no guarantee shitty people would go about it. They still have to want to do it during a very limited window.",
">\n\nJust pure numbers, more abortions mean at least one less shitty person having kids",
">\n\nJust read the article, I hope the baby is safe, taken out of her custody permanently, and this vile bitch is spayed like a stray dog and thrown into jail for 5-7 years. (I'm aware that won't happen) Fucking worst type of human. Disgusting and reprehensible behavior.",
">\n\nWatch the downfall of Mankind: Go to r/publicfreakout search \"WalMart\"... \"Waffle House\", \"MacDonald's\" and \"Starbucks\" will suffice also.",
">\n\nI can't be the only who thinks it's interesting as a society we have to take have qualifications for certain jobs but to be a parent.. fuck it, you don't need training at all.. seems a little fucked up",
">\n\nThere are evil assholes in this thread saying that people have a god-given right to have, kill, barbecue and eat their own children. They claim it's \"freedom from state over-reach\", but it means they want to kill, barbecue and eat children with zero consequences. Child abuse is common in this world. My own father beat me until I put him in the hospital and then never saw him again. These assholes want to make sure fathers are allowed to beat their children freely, and that any child who defends themself is punished. Fuck those people!\nThe state has a role in protecting children. And anyone against it is an enemy of decency.",
">\n\nPaterson, NJ. No surprise....",
">\n\nThe surprise is it’s not Florida.",
">\n\nAnother baby mama loses her child. Don't worry; she'll make more.",
">\n\nThat is not a mom, this is a piece of trash that let some guy rawdog her.",
">\n\nSpay her and lock her up for ten years. In no way should she ever be in a position to bring more children into the world to abuse. \nWhat hasn't been caught on camera in this woman's home? What emotional damage has already been inflicted prior that might not be able to be fixed?",
">\n\nLike the quokka, shoplifters are known to throw their offspring down to bait predators and increase the chances of escape.",
">\n\nPrison and throw away the key",
">\n\nBruh that’s a rough 23 😬",
">\n\nSo a typical Walmart outing",
">\n\nI think this is the appropriate use of the phrase \"that woman is a cunt\".",
">\n\nLast minute effort to clinch the Mother of the Year Award?",
">\n\nThe Quokka defense rarely works for humans.",
">\n\nSo… another normal day at any American Walmart then?",
">\n\nFrankly the supreme court really messed us all up. But what we have here is someone that is obviously to unstable to be a parent.",
">\n\nWould be really hard to watch this and not punch that cunt in the face repeatedly. Maybe a kick or two as well.",
">\n\nIf she’s willing to do that in public, I can’t even fathom what she would do to that child at home.",
">\n\nThey call this a Soccer mom.",
">\n\nThrow her trashy ass in jail",
">\n\nI read stuff like this and realize some people aren’t worthy of living. Hope the kid turns out alright because she’s not worthy of anything.",
">\n\nThe cycle continues for that family. Always remember you can be the one to change things but it takes patience which I think is something that should be stressed a lot more but isn't. If you don't have patience then you won't be able to deal with a screaming 1-year-old. It's that simple.",
">\n\n\"Kick the baby!\" - Kyle Broflovski",
">\n\nThis is a horrifically damaged person. In no way do I excuse her abuse of this poor little baby, though.",
">\n\nYes, yes, bad mother, poor child and all that. Clearly this lady has some issues and very likely needs professional psychiatric help. Or maybe she's just a narcissistic, entitled asshole. Either way she should've never been saddled with a child.",
">\n\ni wish you weren't being downvoted, because obviously this woman has some issues, and the age of the child indicates that it could be postpartum depression, which is not nothing. or, like you said, she could just be an asshole. \nscreaming and punching a wall because a baby was crying? that is definitely not normal. obviously it's horrible that the baby has been abused, and thankfully it is physically okay from this assault, but the mom obviously needs help.",
">\n\nYeah, people in this thread are clamoring for her to be thrown in jail but that really isnt gonna solve anything (shed probably come out worse).\nShes clearly not all there.",
">\n\nand i'm getting downvoted for saying she needs help, lol what.",
">\n\nYou're being down voted for worrying about the wrong person. The child is the one that needs compassion. The abusers needs are less important."
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I obviously know nothing of this woman and her history but uncharacteristic rage and unfortunately in some cases violent outbursts can be a sign of postpartum depression. Hormones can do crazy things.
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"That website is giving my browser cancer so here's the text for anyone else who can't get it to load properly.\n\nTETERBORO — A mother kicked her baby daughter and sent the child careening across the floor after shoplifting from Walmart, according to police.\nJamira McDaniel, 23, of Paterson, was caught stealing at the supercenter in Teterboro by Walmart theft protection personnel on Tuesday, Moonachie Police Lt. Jeff Napolitano confirmed to New Jersey 101.5.\nMcDaniel was with her 1-year-old girl and the child's aunt.\nAfter she was taken to the store's security office, McDaniel placed the baby girl on the ground and kicked her in the back, Napolitano said. The toddler was sent across the floor and into the security office.\nAccording to Napolitano, the incident was caught on security cameras. He said video of the kick was turned over to Bergen County court but was not yet publicly available.\nThe theft protection workers then picked up the inconsolable child, handed her to McDaniel's sister, and called the police.\n\"McDaniel, upset by the girl who was now screaming and crying while being held by her aunt, began punching walls and yelling for the baby to stop crying,\" Napolitano explained. \"McDaniel also grabbed the baby and began to shake her while she was being held by her aunt.\"\nMoonachie cops soon arrived at the store and called an ambulance to evaluate the baby. Fortunately, first responders found the child was uninjured.\nThe mother is charged with endangering the welfare of a child, assault, shoplifting, and criminal mischief, according to Napolitano.\nMcDaniel was sent to Bergen County jail, which is where she remains as of Wednesday evening. The aunt was not charged and the child was given to family members.\n\nGod help that poor baby.",
">\n\nSome people really need to not have kids",
">\n\nMore people should have abortions. If someone cannot or doesn’t want to raise a child abortion should be the first choice. Bringing children into this world only for them to suffer is awful. So many wind up in the foster system and no one adopts them then they age out. Then you have adults who have no family or resources and continue to suffer. \nAnytime someone says abortion is bad and they should just birth the child and give it up for adoption should be required to take one of those children into their homes. \nCausing unwavering suffering of another living being is immoral.",
">\n\nI absolutely agree but there is also a large subset of people that WANT to have kids but are still completely awful parents.",
">\n\nHence, the reverse abortion! A simple way to solve these issues",
">\n\nWhat's a reverse abortion? Shoving the child back up the coochie and into the uterus?? \nMaybe I'm just super dumb today and drank too much or too little coffee, but I really don't know what a reverse abortion would be. \nAm I going to feel really stupid when you tell me? If so, that's ok, just tell me anyway, I'm used to feeling stupid.",
">\n\nInstead of aborting babies, abort the parents",
">\n\nCan you legally abort a baby after 18 years?",
">\n\nSometimes I ask my mom if she would feel comfortable having a 124th trimester abortion. My brother is not working out.",
">\n\nReading that article, it sounds like being a shoplifter is the best thing about her.",
">\n\nWhen my kids were little I found it almost impossible to read articles like this. They would stick with me for days or weeks. \nI really hope that baby ends up in a loving home because game fucking over for mom.",
">\n\nI have a 1½‐year-old and reading this makes me want to cry.",
">\n\nSame. I just can’t read anything like this, it’s so horrifying. And I just hold my kiddo and cry and then be sad I can’t love all the babies and protect them all. \nKids are just so freaking pure and good and they just want to be loved and safe like that’s it man. How could you do something to something so innocent?",
">\n\nReading your comment, in contrast to OP’s horror inducing title, legit just brought a tear to my eye. Makes me hug my kiddos extra just thinking about it!",
">\n\nIf she kicks and shakes the baby in public, I can’t imagine what she does to that poor child at home. Disgusting woman.",
">\n\nAbortion should be legal so we can make sure this woman never existed.",
">\n\nWe should be able to abort the mother in this instance.",
">\n\nThat’s… that’s what he just inferred",
">\n\nDoesn't hurt to drive the point home",
">\n\nYou see horrible parenting in a walmart any day, but this is is, I think, the worst I've heard of. I hope she doesn't get that poor kid back.",
">\n\nUnfortunately, in this circumstance, it's better for her to do this shit in public and get caught so the baby (and other possible kids) gets taken away. If that's what she does in public, imagine what she does behind closed doors.",
">\n\nHoly fuck, Adblock on Firefox shows 450+ blocked on that website alone???",
">\n\nNow do you see why everyone on reddit is losing their mind over the news that Chrome is preventing ad block.\nIf you haven't switched to Firefox or something else, you might want to start test driving a few browsers because good LORD you have no idea how bad things are without ad block.",
">\n\nPiece of trash. Even reading the article boils my blood.",
">\n\nDefinitely r/iamatotalpieceofshit material",
">\n\nThank god she showed her true abusive colours while on camera and in front of everyone. Now the kid will be protected from her and serious injury/trauma prevented.",
">\n\nI hope this baby finds her way to a loving and caring mother, and I hope this lady gets the mental help she needs.",
">\n\nYea and maybe my mom will quit drinking and my dad will come home.",
">\n\nHope is sometimes all we have",
">\n\nMy best friend’s mom was a foster parent for many years. She was well known by DFACS for taking in their most difficult cases, children of severe abuse, often arriving in the middle of the night with nothing more than the clothes on their backs. She didn’t have a lot of money, bit she somehow made due for all of the kids. She was practical and no nonsense, pragmatic and loving. I learned a lot about how to stretch a dollar to make struggle meals from her. Full bellies and full hearts.\nWhen I was a new mother, she was my lifeline. I knew nothing about babies and she patiently taught me what I needed to know. She talked me through my son’s first bath over the telephone, I was exhausted from lack of sleep because my baby had severe colic. And, Ms S would gather him into her arms and rock him in her special creaky rocking chair. And, he fell into a blissful and untroubled sleep. She was truly a baby whisperer. \nHer heart and soul were devoted to children who were victims of horrific abuse. She took in a toddler who had spent much of his young life living in a cage. He was non verbal and unable to walk. After several years, she brought him up to nearly his age level. He was walking and verbal. The state stepped in and returned him to his newly “reformed” mother.\nHe was returned to Ms S a year later, with severe setbacks. She did everything that she could for this boy. Bit, when the state took him back again, she was done. Eventually, her remaining kids aged out of the system.\nAnyway, long ass story. Please forgive me for this. I’m just thinking about the little girl from this story and hoping that she lands in the lap of a Ms S in a special creaky rocking chair and comes to know comfort from a truly caring person and never has to be returned to an uncaring and abusive ”mother”.\nRIP Ms S for being the only real mom to many kids and for being a very special Grandmom to my kids . Never forgotten and always remembered.",
">\n\nCool story man. She sounds like a fantastic person",
">\n\nI swear i think i live next to this woman... Always screaming and swearing at her kids at the top of her lungs...",
">\n\nCall cps. Lived in a similar situation awhile back. I was afraid to call, wish I would be called earlier looking back at it.",
">\n\nDealt with CPS as a child growing up. They don’t care. My parents would have gone to jail had i been an animal and they were just as abusive. Especially if the child has no other family nearby to take em.",
">\n\nSounds awful for you. Im really sorry. As far as CPS goes I didn’t know what else do to, any ideas in case I find myself in a similar situation?\nNot too long after I called they moved out in the middle of the night and left their dog behind. Wish they would have left the kids wouldve adopted them too. \nHope you’re doing good now internet stranger.",
">\n\nShe obviously can't be trusted with her child, but I hope she gets the help that she clearly needs.",
">\n\nShe obviously hates the child and doesn't know how to take care of it so it should be taken and given to somebody who can take care of it and appreciate it. \nIt really makes me sick that there's people out there that struggle to get pregnant and want so desperately to have babies... And then you have this woman who decides to use her baby like a football. 🙄",
">\n\nYeah I hear kangaroos will throw their babies out to escape",
">\n\nI’m not advocating for violence, but the blunt end of a shingler’s hatchet works wonders as an attitude-correction tool.",
">\n\nThat's very Walmart of her",
">\n\ndead kid walking\nmom will get a slap on the wrist, at some point the courts will agree to a reunification plan, mom gets kid back\nmom and her boyfriend beat kid to death after starving it and abusing it for it's short miserable life",
">\n\nThat is such an extremely disgusting act to do. Baby deserves better than that.",
">\n\nSomeone is about to lose her parental rights.",
">\n\nI really wish I never clicked on this post. Not everyone is fit to be a parent.",
">\n\nThe charges aren’t severe enough. “Endangering the welfare?” A kick from an adult can kill a one year old baby…\nShe needs to go to prison for good.",
">\n\nI expect a lot of stories like this over the next decade as abortion restrictions lead to people who aren't prepared for kids to become parents.",
">\n\nCan we not link everything that and instead focus on the fact this a shitty person instead?",
">\n\nok and abortion reduces the number of shitty people having children. it is all related.",
">\n\nThere is no guarantee shitty people would go about it. They still have to want to do it during a very limited window.",
">\n\nJust pure numbers, more abortions mean at least one less shitty person having kids",
">\n\nJust read the article, I hope the baby is safe, taken out of her custody permanently, and this vile bitch is spayed like a stray dog and thrown into jail for 5-7 years. (I'm aware that won't happen) Fucking worst type of human. Disgusting and reprehensible behavior.",
">\n\nWatch the downfall of Mankind: Go to r/publicfreakout search \"WalMart\"... \"Waffle House\", \"MacDonald's\" and \"Starbucks\" will suffice also.",
">\n\nI can't be the only who thinks it's interesting as a society we have to take have qualifications for certain jobs but to be a parent.. fuck it, you don't need training at all.. seems a little fucked up",
">\n\nThere are evil assholes in this thread saying that people have a god-given right to have, kill, barbecue and eat their own children. They claim it's \"freedom from state over-reach\", but it means they want to kill, barbecue and eat children with zero consequences. Child abuse is common in this world. My own father beat me until I put him in the hospital and then never saw him again. These assholes want to make sure fathers are allowed to beat their children freely, and that any child who defends themself is punished. Fuck those people!\nThe state has a role in protecting children. And anyone against it is an enemy of decency.",
">\n\nPaterson, NJ. No surprise....",
">\n\nThe surprise is it’s not Florida.",
">\n\nAnother baby mama loses her child. Don't worry; she'll make more.",
">\n\nThat is not a mom, this is a piece of trash that let some guy rawdog her.",
">\n\nSpay her and lock her up for ten years. In no way should she ever be in a position to bring more children into the world to abuse. \nWhat hasn't been caught on camera in this woman's home? What emotional damage has already been inflicted prior that might not be able to be fixed?",
">\n\nLike the quokka, shoplifters are known to throw their offspring down to bait predators and increase the chances of escape.",
">\n\nPrison and throw away the key",
">\n\nBruh that’s a rough 23 😬",
">\n\nSo a typical Walmart outing",
">\n\nI think this is the appropriate use of the phrase \"that woman is a cunt\".",
">\n\nLast minute effort to clinch the Mother of the Year Award?",
">\n\nThe Quokka defense rarely works for humans.",
">\n\nSo… another normal day at any American Walmart then?",
">\n\nFrankly the supreme court really messed us all up. But what we have here is someone that is obviously to unstable to be a parent.",
">\n\nWould be really hard to watch this and not punch that cunt in the face repeatedly. Maybe a kick or two as well.",
">\n\nIf she’s willing to do that in public, I can’t even fathom what she would do to that child at home.",
">\n\nThey call this a Soccer mom.",
">\n\nThrow her trashy ass in jail",
">\n\nI read stuff like this and realize some people aren’t worthy of living. Hope the kid turns out alright because she’s not worthy of anything.",
">\n\nThe cycle continues for that family. Always remember you can be the one to change things but it takes patience which I think is something that should be stressed a lot more but isn't. If you don't have patience then you won't be able to deal with a screaming 1-year-old. It's that simple.",
">\n\n\"Kick the baby!\" - Kyle Broflovski",
">\n\nThis is a horrifically damaged person. In no way do I excuse her abuse of this poor little baby, though.",
">\n\nYes, yes, bad mother, poor child and all that. Clearly this lady has some issues and very likely needs professional psychiatric help. Or maybe she's just a narcissistic, entitled asshole. Either way she should've never been saddled with a child.",
">\n\ni wish you weren't being downvoted, because obviously this woman has some issues, and the age of the child indicates that it could be postpartum depression, which is not nothing. or, like you said, she could just be an asshole. \nscreaming and punching a wall because a baby was crying? that is definitely not normal. obviously it's horrible that the baby has been abused, and thankfully it is physically okay from this assault, but the mom obviously needs help.",
">\n\nYeah, people in this thread are clamoring for her to be thrown in jail but that really isnt gonna solve anything (shed probably come out worse).\nShes clearly not all there.",
">\n\nand i'm getting downvoted for saying she needs help, lol what.",
">\n\nYou're being down voted for worrying about the wrong person. The child is the one that needs compassion. The abusers needs are less important.",
">\n\nMost Walmart sentence ever."
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You and her both need to walk into traffic
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"That website is giving my browser cancer so here's the text for anyone else who can't get it to load properly.\n\nTETERBORO — A mother kicked her baby daughter and sent the child careening across the floor after shoplifting from Walmart, according to police.\nJamira McDaniel, 23, of Paterson, was caught stealing at the supercenter in Teterboro by Walmart theft protection personnel on Tuesday, Moonachie Police Lt. Jeff Napolitano confirmed to New Jersey 101.5.\nMcDaniel was with her 1-year-old girl and the child's aunt.\nAfter she was taken to the store's security office, McDaniel placed the baby girl on the ground and kicked her in the back, Napolitano said. The toddler was sent across the floor and into the security office.\nAccording to Napolitano, the incident was caught on security cameras. He said video of the kick was turned over to Bergen County court but was not yet publicly available.\nThe theft protection workers then picked up the inconsolable child, handed her to McDaniel's sister, and called the police.\n\"McDaniel, upset by the girl who was now screaming and crying while being held by her aunt, began punching walls and yelling for the baby to stop crying,\" Napolitano explained. \"McDaniel also grabbed the baby and began to shake her while she was being held by her aunt.\"\nMoonachie cops soon arrived at the store and called an ambulance to evaluate the baby. Fortunately, first responders found the child was uninjured.\nThe mother is charged with endangering the welfare of a child, assault, shoplifting, and criminal mischief, according to Napolitano.\nMcDaniel was sent to Bergen County jail, which is where she remains as of Wednesday evening. The aunt was not charged and the child was given to family members.\n\nGod help that poor baby.",
">\n\nSome people really need to not have kids",
">\n\nMore people should have abortions. If someone cannot or doesn’t want to raise a child abortion should be the first choice. Bringing children into this world only for them to suffer is awful. So many wind up in the foster system and no one adopts them then they age out. Then you have adults who have no family or resources and continue to suffer. \nAnytime someone says abortion is bad and they should just birth the child and give it up for adoption should be required to take one of those children into their homes. \nCausing unwavering suffering of another living being is immoral.",
">\n\nI absolutely agree but there is also a large subset of people that WANT to have kids but are still completely awful parents.",
">\n\nHence, the reverse abortion! A simple way to solve these issues",
">\n\nWhat's a reverse abortion? Shoving the child back up the coochie and into the uterus?? \nMaybe I'm just super dumb today and drank too much or too little coffee, but I really don't know what a reverse abortion would be. \nAm I going to feel really stupid when you tell me? If so, that's ok, just tell me anyway, I'm used to feeling stupid.",
">\n\nInstead of aborting babies, abort the parents",
">\n\nCan you legally abort a baby after 18 years?",
">\n\nSometimes I ask my mom if she would feel comfortable having a 124th trimester abortion. My brother is not working out.",
">\n\nReading that article, it sounds like being a shoplifter is the best thing about her.",
">\n\nWhen my kids were little I found it almost impossible to read articles like this. They would stick with me for days or weeks. \nI really hope that baby ends up in a loving home because game fucking over for mom.",
">\n\nI have a 1½‐year-old and reading this makes me want to cry.",
">\n\nSame. I just can’t read anything like this, it’s so horrifying. And I just hold my kiddo and cry and then be sad I can’t love all the babies and protect them all. \nKids are just so freaking pure and good and they just want to be loved and safe like that’s it man. How could you do something to something so innocent?",
">\n\nReading your comment, in contrast to OP’s horror inducing title, legit just brought a tear to my eye. Makes me hug my kiddos extra just thinking about it!",
">\n\nIf she kicks and shakes the baby in public, I can’t imagine what she does to that poor child at home. Disgusting woman.",
">\n\nAbortion should be legal so we can make sure this woman never existed.",
">\n\nWe should be able to abort the mother in this instance.",
">\n\nThat’s… that’s what he just inferred",
">\n\nDoesn't hurt to drive the point home",
">\n\nYou see horrible parenting in a walmart any day, but this is is, I think, the worst I've heard of. I hope she doesn't get that poor kid back.",
">\n\nUnfortunately, in this circumstance, it's better for her to do this shit in public and get caught so the baby (and other possible kids) gets taken away. If that's what she does in public, imagine what she does behind closed doors.",
">\n\nHoly fuck, Adblock on Firefox shows 450+ blocked on that website alone???",
">\n\nNow do you see why everyone on reddit is losing their mind over the news that Chrome is preventing ad block.\nIf you haven't switched to Firefox or something else, you might want to start test driving a few browsers because good LORD you have no idea how bad things are without ad block.",
">\n\nPiece of trash. Even reading the article boils my blood.",
">\n\nDefinitely r/iamatotalpieceofshit material",
">\n\nThank god she showed her true abusive colours while on camera and in front of everyone. Now the kid will be protected from her and serious injury/trauma prevented.",
">\n\nI hope this baby finds her way to a loving and caring mother, and I hope this lady gets the mental help she needs.",
">\n\nYea and maybe my mom will quit drinking and my dad will come home.",
">\n\nHope is sometimes all we have",
">\n\nMy best friend’s mom was a foster parent for many years. She was well known by DFACS for taking in their most difficult cases, children of severe abuse, often arriving in the middle of the night with nothing more than the clothes on their backs. She didn’t have a lot of money, bit she somehow made due for all of the kids. She was practical and no nonsense, pragmatic and loving. I learned a lot about how to stretch a dollar to make struggle meals from her. Full bellies and full hearts.\nWhen I was a new mother, she was my lifeline. I knew nothing about babies and she patiently taught me what I needed to know. She talked me through my son’s first bath over the telephone, I was exhausted from lack of sleep because my baby had severe colic. And, Ms S would gather him into her arms and rock him in her special creaky rocking chair. And, he fell into a blissful and untroubled sleep. She was truly a baby whisperer. \nHer heart and soul were devoted to children who were victims of horrific abuse. She took in a toddler who had spent much of his young life living in a cage. He was non verbal and unable to walk. After several years, she brought him up to nearly his age level. He was walking and verbal. The state stepped in and returned him to his newly “reformed” mother.\nHe was returned to Ms S a year later, with severe setbacks. She did everything that she could for this boy. Bit, when the state took him back again, she was done. Eventually, her remaining kids aged out of the system.\nAnyway, long ass story. Please forgive me for this. I’m just thinking about the little girl from this story and hoping that she lands in the lap of a Ms S in a special creaky rocking chair and comes to know comfort from a truly caring person and never has to be returned to an uncaring and abusive ”mother”.\nRIP Ms S for being the only real mom to many kids and for being a very special Grandmom to my kids . Never forgotten and always remembered.",
">\n\nCool story man. She sounds like a fantastic person",
">\n\nI swear i think i live next to this woman... Always screaming and swearing at her kids at the top of her lungs...",
">\n\nCall cps. Lived in a similar situation awhile back. I was afraid to call, wish I would be called earlier looking back at it.",
">\n\nDealt with CPS as a child growing up. They don’t care. My parents would have gone to jail had i been an animal and they were just as abusive. Especially if the child has no other family nearby to take em.",
">\n\nSounds awful for you. Im really sorry. As far as CPS goes I didn’t know what else do to, any ideas in case I find myself in a similar situation?\nNot too long after I called they moved out in the middle of the night and left their dog behind. Wish they would have left the kids wouldve adopted them too. \nHope you’re doing good now internet stranger.",
">\n\nShe obviously can't be trusted with her child, but I hope she gets the help that she clearly needs.",
">\n\nShe obviously hates the child and doesn't know how to take care of it so it should be taken and given to somebody who can take care of it and appreciate it. \nIt really makes me sick that there's people out there that struggle to get pregnant and want so desperately to have babies... And then you have this woman who decides to use her baby like a football. 🙄",
">\n\nYeah I hear kangaroos will throw their babies out to escape",
">\n\nI’m not advocating for violence, but the blunt end of a shingler’s hatchet works wonders as an attitude-correction tool.",
">\n\nThat's very Walmart of her",
">\n\ndead kid walking\nmom will get a slap on the wrist, at some point the courts will agree to a reunification plan, mom gets kid back\nmom and her boyfriend beat kid to death after starving it and abusing it for it's short miserable life",
">\n\nThat is such an extremely disgusting act to do. Baby deserves better than that.",
">\n\nSomeone is about to lose her parental rights.",
">\n\nI really wish I never clicked on this post. Not everyone is fit to be a parent.",
">\n\nThe charges aren’t severe enough. “Endangering the welfare?” A kick from an adult can kill a one year old baby…\nShe needs to go to prison for good.",
">\n\nI expect a lot of stories like this over the next decade as abortion restrictions lead to people who aren't prepared for kids to become parents.",
">\n\nCan we not link everything that and instead focus on the fact this a shitty person instead?",
">\n\nok and abortion reduces the number of shitty people having children. it is all related.",
">\n\nThere is no guarantee shitty people would go about it. They still have to want to do it during a very limited window.",
">\n\nJust pure numbers, more abortions mean at least one less shitty person having kids",
">\n\nJust read the article, I hope the baby is safe, taken out of her custody permanently, and this vile bitch is spayed like a stray dog and thrown into jail for 5-7 years. (I'm aware that won't happen) Fucking worst type of human. Disgusting and reprehensible behavior.",
">\n\nWatch the downfall of Mankind: Go to r/publicfreakout search \"WalMart\"... \"Waffle House\", \"MacDonald's\" and \"Starbucks\" will suffice also.",
">\n\nI can't be the only who thinks it's interesting as a society we have to take have qualifications for certain jobs but to be a parent.. fuck it, you don't need training at all.. seems a little fucked up",
">\n\nThere are evil assholes in this thread saying that people have a god-given right to have, kill, barbecue and eat their own children. They claim it's \"freedom from state over-reach\", but it means they want to kill, barbecue and eat children with zero consequences. Child abuse is common in this world. My own father beat me until I put him in the hospital and then never saw him again. These assholes want to make sure fathers are allowed to beat their children freely, and that any child who defends themself is punished. Fuck those people!\nThe state has a role in protecting children. And anyone against it is an enemy of decency.",
">\n\nPaterson, NJ. No surprise....",
">\n\nThe surprise is it’s not Florida.",
">\n\nAnother baby mama loses her child. Don't worry; she'll make more.",
">\n\nThat is not a mom, this is a piece of trash that let some guy rawdog her.",
">\n\nSpay her and lock her up for ten years. In no way should she ever be in a position to bring more children into the world to abuse. \nWhat hasn't been caught on camera in this woman's home? What emotional damage has already been inflicted prior that might not be able to be fixed?",
">\n\nLike the quokka, shoplifters are known to throw their offspring down to bait predators and increase the chances of escape.",
">\n\nPrison and throw away the key",
">\n\nBruh that’s a rough 23 😬",
">\n\nSo a typical Walmart outing",
">\n\nI think this is the appropriate use of the phrase \"that woman is a cunt\".",
">\n\nLast minute effort to clinch the Mother of the Year Award?",
">\n\nThe Quokka defense rarely works for humans.",
">\n\nSo… another normal day at any American Walmart then?",
">\n\nFrankly the supreme court really messed us all up. But what we have here is someone that is obviously to unstable to be a parent.",
">\n\nWould be really hard to watch this and not punch that cunt in the face repeatedly. Maybe a kick or two as well.",
">\n\nIf she’s willing to do that in public, I can’t even fathom what she would do to that child at home.",
">\n\nThey call this a Soccer mom.",
">\n\nThrow her trashy ass in jail",
">\n\nI read stuff like this and realize some people aren’t worthy of living. Hope the kid turns out alright because she’s not worthy of anything.",
">\n\nThe cycle continues for that family. Always remember you can be the one to change things but it takes patience which I think is something that should be stressed a lot more but isn't. If you don't have patience then you won't be able to deal with a screaming 1-year-old. It's that simple.",
">\n\n\"Kick the baby!\" - Kyle Broflovski",
">\n\nThis is a horrifically damaged person. In no way do I excuse her abuse of this poor little baby, though.",
">\n\nYes, yes, bad mother, poor child and all that. Clearly this lady has some issues and very likely needs professional psychiatric help. Or maybe she's just a narcissistic, entitled asshole. Either way she should've never been saddled with a child.",
">\n\ni wish you weren't being downvoted, because obviously this woman has some issues, and the age of the child indicates that it could be postpartum depression, which is not nothing. or, like you said, she could just be an asshole. \nscreaming and punching a wall because a baby was crying? that is definitely not normal. obviously it's horrible that the baby has been abused, and thankfully it is physically okay from this assault, but the mom obviously needs help.",
">\n\nYeah, people in this thread are clamoring for her to be thrown in jail but that really isnt gonna solve anything (shed probably come out worse).\nShes clearly not all there.",
">\n\nand i'm getting downvoted for saying she needs help, lol what.",
">\n\nYou're being down voted for worrying about the wrong person. The child is the one that needs compassion. The abusers needs are less important.",
">\n\nMost Walmart sentence ever.",
">\n\nI obviously know nothing of this woman and her history but uncharacteristic rage and unfortunately in some cases violent outbursts can be a sign of postpartum depression. Hormones can do crazy things."
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Seems like a solid way to deal with mental illness? Postpartum depression is a very real thing and can make people act in uncharacteristic ways.
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"That website is giving my browser cancer so here's the text for anyone else who can't get it to load properly.\n\nTETERBORO — A mother kicked her baby daughter and sent the child careening across the floor after shoplifting from Walmart, according to police.\nJamira McDaniel, 23, of Paterson, was caught stealing at the supercenter in Teterboro by Walmart theft protection personnel on Tuesday, Moonachie Police Lt. Jeff Napolitano confirmed to New Jersey 101.5.\nMcDaniel was with her 1-year-old girl and the child's aunt.\nAfter she was taken to the store's security office, McDaniel placed the baby girl on the ground and kicked her in the back, Napolitano said. The toddler was sent across the floor and into the security office.\nAccording to Napolitano, the incident was caught on security cameras. He said video of the kick was turned over to Bergen County court but was not yet publicly available.\nThe theft protection workers then picked up the inconsolable child, handed her to McDaniel's sister, and called the police.\n\"McDaniel, upset by the girl who was now screaming and crying while being held by her aunt, began punching walls and yelling for the baby to stop crying,\" Napolitano explained. \"McDaniel also grabbed the baby and began to shake her while she was being held by her aunt.\"\nMoonachie cops soon arrived at the store and called an ambulance to evaluate the baby. Fortunately, first responders found the child was uninjured.\nThe mother is charged with endangering the welfare of a child, assault, shoplifting, and criminal mischief, according to Napolitano.\nMcDaniel was sent to Bergen County jail, which is where she remains as of Wednesday evening. The aunt was not charged and the child was given to family members.\n\nGod help that poor baby.",
">\n\nSome people really need to not have kids",
">\n\nMore people should have abortions. If someone cannot or doesn’t want to raise a child abortion should be the first choice. Bringing children into this world only for them to suffer is awful. So many wind up in the foster system and no one adopts them then they age out. Then you have adults who have no family or resources and continue to suffer. \nAnytime someone says abortion is bad and they should just birth the child and give it up for adoption should be required to take one of those children into their homes. \nCausing unwavering suffering of another living being is immoral.",
">\n\nI absolutely agree but there is also a large subset of people that WANT to have kids but are still completely awful parents.",
">\n\nHence, the reverse abortion! A simple way to solve these issues",
">\n\nWhat's a reverse abortion? Shoving the child back up the coochie and into the uterus?? \nMaybe I'm just super dumb today and drank too much or too little coffee, but I really don't know what a reverse abortion would be. \nAm I going to feel really stupid when you tell me? If so, that's ok, just tell me anyway, I'm used to feeling stupid.",
">\n\nInstead of aborting babies, abort the parents",
">\n\nCan you legally abort a baby after 18 years?",
">\n\nSometimes I ask my mom if she would feel comfortable having a 124th trimester abortion. My brother is not working out.",
">\n\nReading that article, it sounds like being a shoplifter is the best thing about her.",
">\n\nWhen my kids were little I found it almost impossible to read articles like this. They would stick with me for days or weeks. \nI really hope that baby ends up in a loving home because game fucking over for mom.",
">\n\nI have a 1½‐year-old and reading this makes me want to cry.",
">\n\nSame. I just can’t read anything like this, it’s so horrifying. And I just hold my kiddo and cry and then be sad I can’t love all the babies and protect them all. \nKids are just so freaking pure and good and they just want to be loved and safe like that’s it man. How could you do something to something so innocent?",
">\n\nReading your comment, in contrast to OP’s horror inducing title, legit just brought a tear to my eye. Makes me hug my kiddos extra just thinking about it!",
">\n\nIf she kicks and shakes the baby in public, I can’t imagine what she does to that poor child at home. Disgusting woman.",
">\n\nAbortion should be legal so we can make sure this woman never existed.",
">\n\nWe should be able to abort the mother in this instance.",
">\n\nThat’s… that’s what he just inferred",
">\n\nDoesn't hurt to drive the point home",
">\n\nYou see horrible parenting in a walmart any day, but this is is, I think, the worst I've heard of. I hope she doesn't get that poor kid back.",
">\n\nUnfortunately, in this circumstance, it's better for her to do this shit in public and get caught so the baby (and other possible kids) gets taken away. If that's what she does in public, imagine what she does behind closed doors.",
">\n\nHoly fuck, Adblock on Firefox shows 450+ blocked on that website alone???",
">\n\nNow do you see why everyone on reddit is losing their mind over the news that Chrome is preventing ad block.\nIf you haven't switched to Firefox or something else, you might want to start test driving a few browsers because good LORD you have no idea how bad things are without ad block.",
">\n\nPiece of trash. Even reading the article boils my blood.",
">\n\nDefinitely r/iamatotalpieceofshit material",
">\n\nThank god she showed her true abusive colours while on camera and in front of everyone. Now the kid will be protected from her and serious injury/trauma prevented.",
">\n\nI hope this baby finds her way to a loving and caring mother, and I hope this lady gets the mental help she needs.",
">\n\nYea and maybe my mom will quit drinking and my dad will come home.",
">\n\nHope is sometimes all we have",
">\n\nMy best friend’s mom was a foster parent for many years. She was well known by DFACS for taking in their most difficult cases, children of severe abuse, often arriving in the middle of the night with nothing more than the clothes on their backs. She didn’t have a lot of money, bit she somehow made due for all of the kids. She was practical and no nonsense, pragmatic and loving. I learned a lot about how to stretch a dollar to make struggle meals from her. Full bellies and full hearts.\nWhen I was a new mother, she was my lifeline. I knew nothing about babies and she patiently taught me what I needed to know. She talked me through my son’s first bath over the telephone, I was exhausted from lack of sleep because my baby had severe colic. And, Ms S would gather him into her arms and rock him in her special creaky rocking chair. And, he fell into a blissful and untroubled sleep. She was truly a baby whisperer. \nHer heart and soul were devoted to children who were victims of horrific abuse. She took in a toddler who had spent much of his young life living in a cage. He was non verbal and unable to walk. After several years, she brought him up to nearly his age level. He was walking and verbal. The state stepped in and returned him to his newly “reformed” mother.\nHe was returned to Ms S a year later, with severe setbacks. She did everything that she could for this boy. Bit, when the state took him back again, she was done. Eventually, her remaining kids aged out of the system.\nAnyway, long ass story. Please forgive me for this. I’m just thinking about the little girl from this story and hoping that she lands in the lap of a Ms S in a special creaky rocking chair and comes to know comfort from a truly caring person and never has to be returned to an uncaring and abusive ”mother”.\nRIP Ms S for being the only real mom to many kids and for being a very special Grandmom to my kids . Never forgotten and always remembered.",
">\n\nCool story man. She sounds like a fantastic person",
">\n\nI swear i think i live next to this woman... Always screaming and swearing at her kids at the top of her lungs...",
">\n\nCall cps. Lived in a similar situation awhile back. I was afraid to call, wish I would be called earlier looking back at it.",
">\n\nDealt with CPS as a child growing up. They don’t care. My parents would have gone to jail had i been an animal and they were just as abusive. Especially if the child has no other family nearby to take em.",
">\n\nSounds awful for you. Im really sorry. As far as CPS goes I didn’t know what else do to, any ideas in case I find myself in a similar situation?\nNot too long after I called they moved out in the middle of the night and left their dog behind. Wish they would have left the kids wouldve adopted them too. \nHope you’re doing good now internet stranger.",
">\n\nShe obviously can't be trusted with her child, but I hope she gets the help that she clearly needs.",
">\n\nShe obviously hates the child and doesn't know how to take care of it so it should be taken and given to somebody who can take care of it and appreciate it. \nIt really makes me sick that there's people out there that struggle to get pregnant and want so desperately to have babies... And then you have this woman who decides to use her baby like a football. 🙄",
">\n\nYeah I hear kangaroos will throw their babies out to escape",
">\n\nI’m not advocating for violence, but the blunt end of a shingler’s hatchet works wonders as an attitude-correction tool.",
">\n\nThat's very Walmart of her",
">\n\ndead kid walking\nmom will get a slap on the wrist, at some point the courts will agree to a reunification plan, mom gets kid back\nmom and her boyfriend beat kid to death after starving it and abusing it for it's short miserable life",
">\n\nThat is such an extremely disgusting act to do. Baby deserves better than that.",
">\n\nSomeone is about to lose her parental rights.",
">\n\nI really wish I never clicked on this post. Not everyone is fit to be a parent.",
">\n\nThe charges aren’t severe enough. “Endangering the welfare?” A kick from an adult can kill a one year old baby…\nShe needs to go to prison for good.",
">\n\nI expect a lot of stories like this over the next decade as abortion restrictions lead to people who aren't prepared for kids to become parents.",
">\n\nCan we not link everything that and instead focus on the fact this a shitty person instead?",
">\n\nok and abortion reduces the number of shitty people having children. it is all related.",
">\n\nThere is no guarantee shitty people would go about it. They still have to want to do it during a very limited window.",
">\n\nJust pure numbers, more abortions mean at least one less shitty person having kids",
">\n\nJust read the article, I hope the baby is safe, taken out of her custody permanently, and this vile bitch is spayed like a stray dog and thrown into jail for 5-7 years. (I'm aware that won't happen) Fucking worst type of human. Disgusting and reprehensible behavior.",
">\n\nWatch the downfall of Mankind: Go to r/publicfreakout search \"WalMart\"... \"Waffle House\", \"MacDonald's\" and \"Starbucks\" will suffice also.",
">\n\nI can't be the only who thinks it's interesting as a society we have to take have qualifications for certain jobs but to be a parent.. fuck it, you don't need training at all.. seems a little fucked up",
">\n\nThere are evil assholes in this thread saying that people have a god-given right to have, kill, barbecue and eat their own children. They claim it's \"freedom from state over-reach\", but it means they want to kill, barbecue and eat children with zero consequences. Child abuse is common in this world. My own father beat me until I put him in the hospital and then never saw him again. These assholes want to make sure fathers are allowed to beat their children freely, and that any child who defends themself is punished. Fuck those people!\nThe state has a role in protecting children. And anyone against it is an enemy of decency.",
">\n\nPaterson, NJ. No surprise....",
">\n\nThe surprise is it’s not Florida.",
">\n\nAnother baby mama loses her child. Don't worry; she'll make more.",
">\n\nThat is not a mom, this is a piece of trash that let some guy rawdog her.",
">\n\nSpay her and lock her up for ten years. In no way should she ever be in a position to bring more children into the world to abuse. \nWhat hasn't been caught on camera in this woman's home? What emotional damage has already been inflicted prior that might not be able to be fixed?",
">\n\nLike the quokka, shoplifters are known to throw their offspring down to bait predators and increase the chances of escape.",
">\n\nPrison and throw away the key",
">\n\nBruh that’s a rough 23 😬",
">\n\nSo a typical Walmart outing",
">\n\nI think this is the appropriate use of the phrase \"that woman is a cunt\".",
">\n\nLast minute effort to clinch the Mother of the Year Award?",
">\n\nThe Quokka defense rarely works for humans.",
">\n\nSo… another normal day at any American Walmart then?",
">\n\nFrankly the supreme court really messed us all up. But what we have here is someone that is obviously to unstable to be a parent.",
">\n\nWould be really hard to watch this and not punch that cunt in the face repeatedly. Maybe a kick or two as well.",
">\n\nIf she’s willing to do that in public, I can’t even fathom what she would do to that child at home.",
">\n\nThey call this a Soccer mom.",
">\n\nThrow her trashy ass in jail",
">\n\nI read stuff like this and realize some people aren’t worthy of living. Hope the kid turns out alright because she’s not worthy of anything.",
">\n\nThe cycle continues for that family. Always remember you can be the one to change things but it takes patience which I think is something that should be stressed a lot more but isn't. If you don't have patience then you won't be able to deal with a screaming 1-year-old. It's that simple.",
">\n\n\"Kick the baby!\" - Kyle Broflovski",
">\n\nThis is a horrifically damaged person. In no way do I excuse her abuse of this poor little baby, though.",
">\n\nYes, yes, bad mother, poor child and all that. Clearly this lady has some issues and very likely needs professional psychiatric help. Or maybe she's just a narcissistic, entitled asshole. Either way she should've never been saddled with a child.",
">\n\ni wish you weren't being downvoted, because obviously this woman has some issues, and the age of the child indicates that it could be postpartum depression, which is not nothing. or, like you said, she could just be an asshole. \nscreaming and punching a wall because a baby was crying? that is definitely not normal. obviously it's horrible that the baby has been abused, and thankfully it is physically okay from this assault, but the mom obviously needs help.",
">\n\nYeah, people in this thread are clamoring for her to be thrown in jail but that really isnt gonna solve anything (shed probably come out worse).\nShes clearly not all there.",
">\n\nand i'm getting downvoted for saying she needs help, lol what.",
">\n\nYou're being down voted for worrying about the wrong person. The child is the one that needs compassion. The abusers needs are less important.",
">\n\nMost Walmart sentence ever.",
">\n\nI obviously know nothing of this woman and her history but uncharacteristic rage and unfortunately in some cases violent outbursts can be a sign of postpartum depression. Hormones can do crazy things.",
">\n\nYou and her both need to walk into traffic"
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"That website is giving my browser cancer so here's the text for anyone else who can't get it to load properly.\n\nTETERBORO — A mother kicked her baby daughter and sent the child careening across the floor after shoplifting from Walmart, according to police.\nJamira McDaniel, 23, of Paterson, was caught stealing at the supercenter in Teterboro by Walmart theft protection personnel on Tuesday, Moonachie Police Lt. Jeff Napolitano confirmed to New Jersey 101.5.\nMcDaniel was with her 1-year-old girl and the child's aunt.\nAfter she was taken to the store's security office, McDaniel placed the baby girl on the ground and kicked her in the back, Napolitano said. The toddler was sent across the floor and into the security office.\nAccording to Napolitano, the incident was caught on security cameras. He said video of the kick was turned over to Bergen County court but was not yet publicly available.\nThe theft protection workers then picked up the inconsolable child, handed her to McDaniel's sister, and called the police.\n\"McDaniel, upset by the girl who was now screaming and crying while being held by her aunt, began punching walls and yelling for the baby to stop crying,\" Napolitano explained. \"McDaniel also grabbed the baby and began to shake her while she was being held by her aunt.\"\nMoonachie cops soon arrived at the store and called an ambulance to evaluate the baby. Fortunately, first responders found the child was uninjured.\nThe mother is charged with endangering the welfare of a child, assault, shoplifting, and criminal mischief, according to Napolitano.\nMcDaniel was sent to Bergen County jail, which is where she remains as of Wednesday evening. The aunt was not charged and the child was given to family members.\n\nGod help that poor baby.",
">\n\nSome people really need to not have kids",
">\n\nMore people should have abortions. If someone cannot or doesn’t want to raise a child abortion should be the first choice. Bringing children into this world only for them to suffer is awful. So many wind up in the foster system and no one adopts them then they age out. Then you have adults who have no family or resources and continue to suffer. \nAnytime someone says abortion is bad and they should just birth the child and give it up for adoption should be required to take one of those children into their homes. \nCausing unwavering suffering of another living being is immoral.",
">\n\nI absolutely agree but there is also a large subset of people that WANT to have kids but are still completely awful parents.",
">\n\nHence, the reverse abortion! A simple way to solve these issues",
">\n\nWhat's a reverse abortion? Shoving the child back up the coochie and into the uterus?? \nMaybe I'm just super dumb today and drank too much or too little coffee, but I really don't know what a reverse abortion would be. \nAm I going to feel really stupid when you tell me? If so, that's ok, just tell me anyway, I'm used to feeling stupid.",
">\n\nInstead of aborting babies, abort the parents",
">\n\nCan you legally abort a baby after 18 years?",
">\n\nSometimes I ask my mom if she would feel comfortable having a 124th trimester abortion. My brother is not working out.",
">\n\nReading that article, it sounds like being a shoplifter is the best thing about her.",
">\n\nWhen my kids were little I found it almost impossible to read articles like this. They would stick with me for days or weeks. \nI really hope that baby ends up in a loving home because game fucking over for mom.",
">\n\nI have a 1½‐year-old and reading this makes me want to cry.",
">\n\nSame. I just can’t read anything like this, it’s so horrifying. And I just hold my kiddo and cry and then be sad I can’t love all the babies and protect them all. \nKids are just so freaking pure and good and they just want to be loved and safe like that’s it man. How could you do something to something so innocent?",
">\n\nReading your comment, in contrast to OP’s horror inducing title, legit just brought a tear to my eye. Makes me hug my kiddos extra just thinking about it!",
">\n\nIf she kicks and shakes the baby in public, I can’t imagine what she does to that poor child at home. Disgusting woman.",
">\n\nAbortion should be legal so we can make sure this woman never existed.",
">\n\nWe should be able to abort the mother in this instance.",
">\n\nThat’s… that’s what he just inferred",
">\n\nDoesn't hurt to drive the point home",
">\n\nYou see horrible parenting in a walmart any day, but this is is, I think, the worst I've heard of. I hope she doesn't get that poor kid back.",
">\n\nUnfortunately, in this circumstance, it's better for her to do this shit in public and get caught so the baby (and other possible kids) gets taken away. If that's what she does in public, imagine what she does behind closed doors.",
">\n\nHoly fuck, Adblock on Firefox shows 450+ blocked on that website alone???",
">\n\nNow do you see why everyone on reddit is losing their mind over the news that Chrome is preventing ad block.\nIf you haven't switched to Firefox or something else, you might want to start test driving a few browsers because good LORD you have no idea how bad things are without ad block.",
">\n\nPiece of trash. Even reading the article boils my blood.",
">\n\nDefinitely r/iamatotalpieceofshit material",
">\n\nThank god she showed her true abusive colours while on camera and in front of everyone. Now the kid will be protected from her and serious injury/trauma prevented.",
">\n\nI hope this baby finds her way to a loving and caring mother, and I hope this lady gets the mental help she needs.",
">\n\nYea and maybe my mom will quit drinking and my dad will come home.",
">\n\nHope is sometimes all we have",
">\n\nMy best friend’s mom was a foster parent for many years. She was well known by DFACS for taking in their most difficult cases, children of severe abuse, often arriving in the middle of the night with nothing more than the clothes on their backs. She didn’t have a lot of money, bit she somehow made due for all of the kids. She was practical and no nonsense, pragmatic and loving. I learned a lot about how to stretch a dollar to make struggle meals from her. Full bellies and full hearts.\nWhen I was a new mother, she was my lifeline. I knew nothing about babies and she patiently taught me what I needed to know. She talked me through my son’s first bath over the telephone, I was exhausted from lack of sleep because my baby had severe colic. And, Ms S would gather him into her arms and rock him in her special creaky rocking chair. And, he fell into a blissful and untroubled sleep. She was truly a baby whisperer. \nHer heart and soul were devoted to children who were victims of horrific abuse. She took in a toddler who had spent much of his young life living in a cage. He was non verbal and unable to walk. After several years, she brought him up to nearly his age level. He was walking and verbal. The state stepped in and returned him to his newly “reformed” mother.\nHe was returned to Ms S a year later, with severe setbacks. She did everything that she could for this boy. Bit, when the state took him back again, she was done. Eventually, her remaining kids aged out of the system.\nAnyway, long ass story. Please forgive me for this. I’m just thinking about the little girl from this story and hoping that she lands in the lap of a Ms S in a special creaky rocking chair and comes to know comfort from a truly caring person and never has to be returned to an uncaring and abusive ”mother”.\nRIP Ms S for being the only real mom to many kids and for being a very special Grandmom to my kids . Never forgotten and always remembered.",
">\n\nCool story man. She sounds like a fantastic person",
">\n\nI swear i think i live next to this woman... Always screaming and swearing at her kids at the top of her lungs...",
">\n\nCall cps. Lived in a similar situation awhile back. I was afraid to call, wish I would be called earlier looking back at it.",
">\n\nDealt with CPS as a child growing up. They don’t care. My parents would have gone to jail had i been an animal and they were just as abusive. Especially if the child has no other family nearby to take em.",
">\n\nSounds awful for you. Im really sorry. As far as CPS goes I didn’t know what else do to, any ideas in case I find myself in a similar situation?\nNot too long after I called they moved out in the middle of the night and left their dog behind. Wish they would have left the kids wouldve adopted them too. \nHope you’re doing good now internet stranger.",
">\n\nShe obviously can't be trusted with her child, but I hope she gets the help that she clearly needs.",
">\n\nShe obviously hates the child and doesn't know how to take care of it so it should be taken and given to somebody who can take care of it and appreciate it. \nIt really makes me sick that there's people out there that struggle to get pregnant and want so desperately to have babies... And then you have this woman who decides to use her baby like a football. 🙄",
">\n\nYeah I hear kangaroos will throw their babies out to escape",
">\n\nI’m not advocating for violence, but the blunt end of a shingler’s hatchet works wonders as an attitude-correction tool.",
">\n\nThat's very Walmart of her",
">\n\ndead kid walking\nmom will get a slap on the wrist, at some point the courts will agree to a reunification plan, mom gets kid back\nmom and her boyfriend beat kid to death after starving it and abusing it for it's short miserable life",
">\n\nThat is such an extremely disgusting act to do. Baby deserves better than that.",
">\n\nSomeone is about to lose her parental rights.",
">\n\nI really wish I never clicked on this post. Not everyone is fit to be a parent.",
">\n\nThe charges aren’t severe enough. “Endangering the welfare?” A kick from an adult can kill a one year old baby…\nShe needs to go to prison for good.",
">\n\nI expect a lot of stories like this over the next decade as abortion restrictions lead to people who aren't prepared for kids to become parents.",
">\n\nCan we not link everything that and instead focus on the fact this a shitty person instead?",
">\n\nok and abortion reduces the number of shitty people having children. it is all related.",
">\n\nThere is no guarantee shitty people would go about it. They still have to want to do it during a very limited window.",
">\n\nJust pure numbers, more abortions mean at least one less shitty person having kids",
">\n\nJust read the article, I hope the baby is safe, taken out of her custody permanently, and this vile bitch is spayed like a stray dog and thrown into jail for 5-7 years. (I'm aware that won't happen) Fucking worst type of human. Disgusting and reprehensible behavior.",
">\n\nWatch the downfall of Mankind: Go to r/publicfreakout search \"WalMart\"... \"Waffle House\", \"MacDonald's\" and \"Starbucks\" will suffice also.",
">\n\nI can't be the only who thinks it's interesting as a society we have to take have qualifications for certain jobs but to be a parent.. fuck it, you don't need training at all.. seems a little fucked up",
">\n\nThere are evil assholes in this thread saying that people have a god-given right to have, kill, barbecue and eat their own children. They claim it's \"freedom from state over-reach\", but it means they want to kill, barbecue and eat children with zero consequences. Child abuse is common in this world. My own father beat me until I put him in the hospital and then never saw him again. These assholes want to make sure fathers are allowed to beat their children freely, and that any child who defends themself is punished. Fuck those people!\nThe state has a role in protecting children. And anyone against it is an enemy of decency.",
">\n\nPaterson, NJ. No surprise....",
">\n\nThe surprise is it’s not Florida.",
">\n\nAnother baby mama loses her child. Don't worry; she'll make more.",
">\n\nThat is not a mom, this is a piece of trash that let some guy rawdog her.",
">\n\nSpay her and lock her up for ten years. In no way should she ever be in a position to bring more children into the world to abuse. \nWhat hasn't been caught on camera in this woman's home? What emotional damage has already been inflicted prior that might not be able to be fixed?",
">\n\nLike the quokka, shoplifters are known to throw their offspring down to bait predators and increase the chances of escape.",
">\n\nPrison and throw away the key",
">\n\nBruh that’s a rough 23 😬",
">\n\nSo a typical Walmart outing",
">\n\nI think this is the appropriate use of the phrase \"that woman is a cunt\".",
">\n\nLast minute effort to clinch the Mother of the Year Award?",
">\n\nThe Quokka defense rarely works for humans.",
">\n\nSo… another normal day at any American Walmart then?",
">\n\nFrankly the supreme court really messed us all up. But what we have here is someone that is obviously to unstable to be a parent.",
">\n\nWould be really hard to watch this and not punch that cunt in the face repeatedly. Maybe a kick or two as well.",
">\n\nIf she’s willing to do that in public, I can’t even fathom what she would do to that child at home.",
">\n\nThey call this a Soccer mom.",
">\n\nThrow her trashy ass in jail",
">\n\nI read stuff like this and realize some people aren’t worthy of living. Hope the kid turns out alright because she’s not worthy of anything.",
">\n\nThe cycle continues for that family. Always remember you can be the one to change things but it takes patience which I think is something that should be stressed a lot more but isn't. If you don't have patience then you won't be able to deal with a screaming 1-year-old. It's that simple.",
">\n\n\"Kick the baby!\" - Kyle Broflovski",
">\n\nThis is a horrifically damaged person. In no way do I excuse her abuse of this poor little baby, though.",
">\n\nYes, yes, bad mother, poor child and all that. Clearly this lady has some issues and very likely needs professional psychiatric help. Or maybe she's just a narcissistic, entitled asshole. Either way she should've never been saddled with a child.",
">\n\ni wish you weren't being downvoted, because obviously this woman has some issues, and the age of the child indicates that it could be postpartum depression, which is not nothing. or, like you said, she could just be an asshole. \nscreaming and punching a wall because a baby was crying? that is definitely not normal. obviously it's horrible that the baby has been abused, and thankfully it is physically okay from this assault, but the mom obviously needs help.",
">\n\nYeah, people in this thread are clamoring for her to be thrown in jail but that really isnt gonna solve anything (shed probably come out worse).\nShes clearly not all there.",
">\n\nand i'm getting downvoted for saying she needs help, lol what.",
">\n\nYou're being down voted for worrying about the wrong person. The child is the one that needs compassion. The abusers needs are less important.",
">\n\nMost Walmart sentence ever.",
">\n\nI obviously know nothing of this woman and her history but uncharacteristic rage and unfortunately in some cases violent outbursts can be a sign of postpartum depression. Hormones can do crazy things.",
">\n\nYou and her both need to walk into traffic",
">\n\nSeems like a solid way to deal with mental illness? Postpartum depression is a very real thing and can make people act in uncharacteristic ways."
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"That website is giving my browser cancer so here's the text for anyone else who can't get it to load properly.\n\nTETERBORO — A mother kicked her baby daughter and sent the child careening across the floor after shoplifting from Walmart, according to police.\nJamira McDaniel, 23, of Paterson, was caught stealing at the supercenter in Teterboro by Walmart theft protection personnel on Tuesday, Moonachie Police Lt. Jeff Napolitano confirmed to New Jersey 101.5.\nMcDaniel was with her 1-year-old girl and the child's aunt.\nAfter she was taken to the store's security office, McDaniel placed the baby girl on the ground and kicked her in the back, Napolitano said. The toddler was sent across the floor and into the security office.\nAccording to Napolitano, the incident was caught on security cameras. He said video of the kick was turned over to Bergen County court but was not yet publicly available.\nThe theft protection workers then picked up the inconsolable child, handed her to McDaniel's sister, and called the police.\n\"McDaniel, upset by the girl who was now screaming and crying while being held by her aunt, began punching walls and yelling for the baby to stop crying,\" Napolitano explained. \"McDaniel also grabbed the baby and began to shake her while she was being held by her aunt.\"\nMoonachie cops soon arrived at the store and called an ambulance to evaluate the baby. Fortunately, first responders found the child was uninjured.\nThe mother is charged with endangering the welfare of a child, assault, shoplifting, and criminal mischief, according to Napolitano.\nMcDaniel was sent to Bergen County jail, which is where she remains as of Wednesday evening. The aunt was not charged and the child was given to family members.\n\nGod help that poor baby.",
">\n\nSome people really need to not have kids",
">\n\nMore people should have abortions. If someone cannot or doesn’t want to raise a child abortion should be the first choice. Bringing children into this world only for them to suffer is awful. So many wind up in the foster system and no one adopts them then they age out. Then you have adults who have no family or resources and continue to suffer. \nAnytime someone says abortion is bad and they should just birth the child and give it up for adoption should be required to take one of those children into their homes. \nCausing unwavering suffering of another living being is immoral.",
">\n\nI absolutely agree but there is also a large subset of people that WANT to have kids but are still completely awful parents.",
">\n\nHence, the reverse abortion! A simple way to solve these issues",
">\n\nWhat's a reverse abortion? Shoving the child back up the coochie and into the uterus?? \nMaybe I'm just super dumb today and drank too much or too little coffee, but I really don't know what a reverse abortion would be. \nAm I going to feel really stupid when you tell me? If so, that's ok, just tell me anyway, I'm used to feeling stupid.",
">\n\nInstead of aborting babies, abort the parents",
">\n\nCan you legally abort a baby after 18 years?",
">\n\nSometimes I ask my mom if she would feel comfortable having a 124th trimester abortion. My brother is not working out.",
">\n\nReading that article, it sounds like being a shoplifter is the best thing about her.",
">\n\nWhen my kids were little I found it almost impossible to read articles like this. They would stick with me for days or weeks. \nI really hope that baby ends up in a loving home because game fucking over for mom.",
">\n\nI have a 1½‐year-old and reading this makes me want to cry.",
">\n\nSame. I just can’t read anything like this, it’s so horrifying. And I just hold my kiddo and cry and then be sad I can’t love all the babies and protect them all. \nKids are just so freaking pure and good and they just want to be loved and safe like that’s it man. How could you do something to something so innocent?",
">\n\nReading your comment, in contrast to OP’s horror inducing title, legit just brought a tear to my eye. Makes me hug my kiddos extra just thinking about it!",
">\n\nIf she kicks and shakes the baby in public, I can’t imagine what she does to that poor child at home. Disgusting woman.",
">\n\nAbortion should be legal so we can make sure this woman never existed.",
">\n\nWe should be able to abort the mother in this instance.",
">\n\nThat’s… that’s what he just inferred",
">\n\nDoesn't hurt to drive the point home",
">\n\nYou see horrible parenting in a walmart any day, but this is is, I think, the worst I've heard of. I hope she doesn't get that poor kid back.",
">\n\nUnfortunately, in this circumstance, it's better for her to do this shit in public and get caught so the baby (and other possible kids) gets taken away. If that's what she does in public, imagine what she does behind closed doors.",
">\n\nHoly fuck, Adblock on Firefox shows 450+ blocked on that website alone???",
">\n\nNow do you see why everyone on reddit is losing their mind over the news that Chrome is preventing ad block.\nIf you haven't switched to Firefox or something else, you might want to start test driving a few browsers because good LORD you have no idea how bad things are without ad block.",
">\n\nPiece of trash. Even reading the article boils my blood.",
">\n\nDefinitely r/iamatotalpieceofshit material",
">\n\nThank god she showed her true abusive colours while on camera and in front of everyone. Now the kid will be protected from her and serious injury/trauma prevented.",
">\n\nI hope this baby finds her way to a loving and caring mother, and I hope this lady gets the mental help she needs.",
">\n\nYea and maybe my mom will quit drinking and my dad will come home.",
">\n\nHope is sometimes all we have",
">\n\nMy best friend’s mom was a foster parent for many years. She was well known by DFACS for taking in their most difficult cases, children of severe abuse, often arriving in the middle of the night with nothing more than the clothes on their backs. She didn’t have a lot of money, bit she somehow made due for all of the kids. She was practical and no nonsense, pragmatic and loving. I learned a lot about how to stretch a dollar to make struggle meals from her. Full bellies and full hearts.\nWhen I was a new mother, she was my lifeline. I knew nothing about babies and she patiently taught me what I needed to know. She talked me through my son’s first bath over the telephone, I was exhausted from lack of sleep because my baby had severe colic. And, Ms S would gather him into her arms and rock him in her special creaky rocking chair. And, he fell into a blissful and untroubled sleep. She was truly a baby whisperer. \nHer heart and soul were devoted to children who were victims of horrific abuse. She took in a toddler who had spent much of his young life living in a cage. He was non verbal and unable to walk. After several years, she brought him up to nearly his age level. He was walking and verbal. The state stepped in and returned him to his newly “reformed” mother.\nHe was returned to Ms S a year later, with severe setbacks. She did everything that she could for this boy. Bit, when the state took him back again, she was done. Eventually, her remaining kids aged out of the system.\nAnyway, long ass story. Please forgive me for this. I’m just thinking about the little girl from this story and hoping that she lands in the lap of a Ms S in a special creaky rocking chair and comes to know comfort from a truly caring person and never has to be returned to an uncaring and abusive ”mother”.\nRIP Ms S for being the only real mom to many kids and for being a very special Grandmom to my kids . Never forgotten and always remembered.",
">\n\nCool story man. She sounds like a fantastic person",
">\n\nI swear i think i live next to this woman... Always screaming and swearing at her kids at the top of her lungs...",
">\n\nCall cps. Lived in a similar situation awhile back. I was afraid to call, wish I would be called earlier looking back at it.",
">\n\nDealt with CPS as a child growing up. They don’t care. My parents would have gone to jail had i been an animal and they were just as abusive. Especially if the child has no other family nearby to take em.",
">\n\nSounds awful for you. Im really sorry. As far as CPS goes I didn’t know what else do to, any ideas in case I find myself in a similar situation?\nNot too long after I called they moved out in the middle of the night and left their dog behind. Wish they would have left the kids wouldve adopted them too. \nHope you’re doing good now internet stranger.",
">\n\nShe obviously can't be trusted with her child, but I hope she gets the help that she clearly needs.",
">\n\nShe obviously hates the child and doesn't know how to take care of it so it should be taken and given to somebody who can take care of it and appreciate it. \nIt really makes me sick that there's people out there that struggle to get pregnant and want so desperately to have babies... And then you have this woman who decides to use her baby like a football. 🙄",
">\n\nYeah I hear kangaroos will throw their babies out to escape",
">\n\nI’m not advocating for violence, but the blunt end of a shingler’s hatchet works wonders as an attitude-correction tool.",
">\n\nThat's very Walmart of her",
">\n\ndead kid walking\nmom will get a slap on the wrist, at some point the courts will agree to a reunification plan, mom gets kid back\nmom and her boyfriend beat kid to death after starving it and abusing it for it's short miserable life",
">\n\nThat is such an extremely disgusting act to do. Baby deserves better than that.",
">\n\nSomeone is about to lose her parental rights.",
">\n\nI really wish I never clicked on this post. Not everyone is fit to be a parent.",
">\n\nThe charges aren’t severe enough. “Endangering the welfare?” A kick from an adult can kill a one year old baby…\nShe needs to go to prison for good.",
">\n\nI expect a lot of stories like this over the next decade as abortion restrictions lead to people who aren't prepared for kids to become parents.",
">\n\nCan we not link everything that and instead focus on the fact this a shitty person instead?",
">\n\nok and abortion reduces the number of shitty people having children. it is all related.",
">\n\nThere is no guarantee shitty people would go about it. They still have to want to do it during a very limited window.",
">\n\nJust pure numbers, more abortions mean at least one less shitty person having kids",
">\n\nJust read the article, I hope the baby is safe, taken out of her custody permanently, and this vile bitch is spayed like a stray dog and thrown into jail for 5-7 years. (I'm aware that won't happen) Fucking worst type of human. Disgusting and reprehensible behavior.",
">\n\nWatch the downfall of Mankind: Go to r/publicfreakout search \"WalMart\"... \"Waffle House\", \"MacDonald's\" and \"Starbucks\" will suffice also.",
">\n\nI can't be the only who thinks it's interesting as a society we have to take have qualifications for certain jobs but to be a parent.. fuck it, you don't need training at all.. seems a little fucked up",
">\n\nThere are evil assholes in this thread saying that people have a god-given right to have, kill, barbecue and eat their own children. They claim it's \"freedom from state over-reach\", but it means they want to kill, barbecue and eat children with zero consequences. Child abuse is common in this world. My own father beat me until I put him in the hospital and then never saw him again. These assholes want to make sure fathers are allowed to beat their children freely, and that any child who defends themself is punished. Fuck those people!\nThe state has a role in protecting children. And anyone against it is an enemy of decency.",
">\n\nPaterson, NJ. No surprise....",
">\n\nThe surprise is it’s not Florida.",
">\n\nAnother baby mama loses her child. Don't worry; she'll make more.",
">\n\nThat is not a mom, this is a piece of trash that let some guy rawdog her.",
">\n\nSpay her and lock her up for ten years. In no way should she ever be in a position to bring more children into the world to abuse. \nWhat hasn't been caught on camera in this woman's home? What emotional damage has already been inflicted prior that might not be able to be fixed?",
">\n\nLike the quokka, shoplifters are known to throw their offspring down to bait predators and increase the chances of escape.",
">\n\nPrison and throw away the key",
">\n\nBruh that’s a rough 23 😬",
">\n\nSo a typical Walmart outing",
">\n\nI think this is the appropriate use of the phrase \"that woman is a cunt\".",
">\n\nLast minute effort to clinch the Mother of the Year Award?",
">\n\nThe Quokka defense rarely works for humans.",
">\n\nSo… another normal day at any American Walmart then?",
">\n\nFrankly the supreme court really messed us all up. But what we have here is someone that is obviously to unstable to be a parent.",
">\n\nWould be really hard to watch this and not punch that cunt in the face repeatedly. Maybe a kick or two as well.",
">\n\nIf she’s willing to do that in public, I can’t even fathom what she would do to that child at home.",
">\n\nThey call this a Soccer mom.",
">\n\nThrow her trashy ass in jail",
">\n\nI read stuff like this and realize some people aren’t worthy of living. Hope the kid turns out alright because she’s not worthy of anything.",
">\n\nThe cycle continues for that family. Always remember you can be the one to change things but it takes patience which I think is something that should be stressed a lot more but isn't. If you don't have patience then you won't be able to deal with a screaming 1-year-old. It's that simple.",
">\n\n\"Kick the baby!\" - Kyle Broflovski",
">\n\nThis is a horrifically damaged person. In no way do I excuse her abuse of this poor little baby, though.",
">\n\nYes, yes, bad mother, poor child and all that. Clearly this lady has some issues and very likely needs professional psychiatric help. Or maybe she's just a narcissistic, entitled asshole. Either way she should've never been saddled with a child.",
">\n\ni wish you weren't being downvoted, because obviously this woman has some issues, and the age of the child indicates that it could be postpartum depression, which is not nothing. or, like you said, she could just be an asshole. \nscreaming and punching a wall because a baby was crying? that is definitely not normal. obviously it's horrible that the baby has been abused, and thankfully it is physically okay from this assault, but the mom obviously needs help.",
">\n\nYeah, people in this thread are clamoring for her to be thrown in jail but that really isnt gonna solve anything (shed probably come out worse).\nShes clearly not all there.",
">\n\nand i'm getting downvoted for saying she needs help, lol what.",
">\n\nYou're being down voted for worrying about the wrong person. The child is the one that needs compassion. The abusers needs are less important.",
">\n\nMost Walmart sentence ever.",
">\n\nI obviously know nothing of this woman and her history but uncharacteristic rage and unfortunately in some cases violent outbursts can be a sign of postpartum depression. Hormones can do crazy things.",
">\n\nYou and her both need to walk into traffic",
">\n\nSeems like a solid way to deal with mental illness? Postpartum depression is a very real thing and can make people act in uncharacteristic ways.",
">\n\nQueue up the Janes Addiction"
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"That website is giving my browser cancer so here's the text for anyone else who can't get it to load properly.\n\nTETERBORO — A mother kicked her baby daughter and sent the child careening across the floor after shoplifting from Walmart, according to police.\nJamira McDaniel, 23, of Paterson, was caught stealing at the supercenter in Teterboro by Walmart theft protection personnel on Tuesday, Moonachie Police Lt. Jeff Napolitano confirmed to New Jersey 101.5.\nMcDaniel was with her 1-year-old girl and the child's aunt.\nAfter she was taken to the store's security office, McDaniel placed the baby girl on the ground and kicked her in the back, Napolitano said. The toddler was sent across the floor and into the security office.\nAccording to Napolitano, the incident was caught on security cameras. He said video of the kick was turned over to Bergen County court but was not yet publicly available.\nThe theft protection workers then picked up the inconsolable child, handed her to McDaniel's sister, and called the police.\n\"McDaniel, upset by the girl who was now screaming and crying while being held by her aunt, began punching walls and yelling for the baby to stop crying,\" Napolitano explained. \"McDaniel also grabbed the baby and began to shake her while she was being held by her aunt.\"\nMoonachie cops soon arrived at the store and called an ambulance to evaluate the baby. Fortunately, first responders found the child was uninjured.\nThe mother is charged with endangering the welfare of a child, assault, shoplifting, and criminal mischief, according to Napolitano.\nMcDaniel was sent to Bergen County jail, which is where she remains as of Wednesday evening. The aunt was not charged and the child was given to family members.\n\nGod help that poor baby.",
">\n\nSome people really need to not have kids",
">\n\nMore people should have abortions. If someone cannot or doesn’t want to raise a child abortion should be the first choice. Bringing children into this world only for them to suffer is awful. So many wind up in the foster system and no one adopts them then they age out. Then you have adults who have no family or resources and continue to suffer. \nAnytime someone says abortion is bad and they should just birth the child and give it up for adoption should be required to take one of those children into their homes. \nCausing unwavering suffering of another living being is immoral.",
">\n\nI absolutely agree but there is also a large subset of people that WANT to have kids but are still completely awful parents.",
">\n\nHence, the reverse abortion! A simple way to solve these issues",
">\n\nWhat's a reverse abortion? Shoving the child back up the coochie and into the uterus?? \nMaybe I'm just super dumb today and drank too much or too little coffee, but I really don't know what a reverse abortion would be. \nAm I going to feel really stupid when you tell me? If so, that's ok, just tell me anyway, I'm used to feeling stupid.",
">\n\nInstead of aborting babies, abort the parents",
">\n\nCan you legally abort a baby after 18 years?",
">\n\nSometimes I ask my mom if she would feel comfortable having a 124th trimester abortion. My brother is not working out.",
">\n\nReading that article, it sounds like being a shoplifter is the best thing about her.",
">\n\nWhen my kids were little I found it almost impossible to read articles like this. They would stick with me for days or weeks. \nI really hope that baby ends up in a loving home because game fucking over for mom.",
">\n\nI have a 1½‐year-old and reading this makes me want to cry.",
">\n\nSame. I just can’t read anything like this, it’s so horrifying. And I just hold my kiddo and cry and then be sad I can’t love all the babies and protect them all. \nKids are just so freaking pure and good and they just want to be loved and safe like that’s it man. How could you do something to something so innocent?",
">\n\nReading your comment, in contrast to OP’s horror inducing title, legit just brought a tear to my eye. Makes me hug my kiddos extra just thinking about it!",
">\n\nIf she kicks and shakes the baby in public, I can’t imagine what she does to that poor child at home. Disgusting woman.",
">\n\nAbortion should be legal so we can make sure this woman never existed.",
">\n\nWe should be able to abort the mother in this instance.",
">\n\nThat’s… that’s what he just inferred",
">\n\nDoesn't hurt to drive the point home",
">\n\nYou see horrible parenting in a walmart any day, but this is is, I think, the worst I've heard of. I hope she doesn't get that poor kid back.",
">\n\nUnfortunately, in this circumstance, it's better for her to do this shit in public and get caught so the baby (and other possible kids) gets taken away. If that's what she does in public, imagine what she does behind closed doors.",
">\n\nHoly fuck, Adblock on Firefox shows 450+ blocked on that website alone???",
">\n\nNow do you see why everyone on reddit is losing their mind over the news that Chrome is preventing ad block.\nIf you haven't switched to Firefox or something else, you might want to start test driving a few browsers because good LORD you have no idea how bad things are without ad block.",
">\n\nPiece of trash. Even reading the article boils my blood.",
">\n\nDefinitely r/iamatotalpieceofshit material",
">\n\nThank god she showed her true abusive colours while on camera and in front of everyone. Now the kid will be protected from her and serious injury/trauma prevented.",
">\n\nI hope this baby finds her way to a loving and caring mother, and I hope this lady gets the mental help she needs.",
">\n\nYea and maybe my mom will quit drinking and my dad will come home.",
">\n\nHope is sometimes all we have",
">\n\nMy best friend’s mom was a foster parent for many years. She was well known by DFACS for taking in their most difficult cases, children of severe abuse, often arriving in the middle of the night with nothing more than the clothes on their backs. She didn’t have a lot of money, bit she somehow made due for all of the kids. She was practical and no nonsense, pragmatic and loving. I learned a lot about how to stretch a dollar to make struggle meals from her. Full bellies and full hearts.\nWhen I was a new mother, she was my lifeline. I knew nothing about babies and she patiently taught me what I needed to know. She talked me through my son’s first bath over the telephone, I was exhausted from lack of sleep because my baby had severe colic. And, Ms S would gather him into her arms and rock him in her special creaky rocking chair. And, he fell into a blissful and untroubled sleep. She was truly a baby whisperer. \nHer heart and soul were devoted to children who were victims of horrific abuse. She took in a toddler who had spent much of his young life living in a cage. He was non verbal and unable to walk. After several years, she brought him up to nearly his age level. He was walking and verbal. The state stepped in and returned him to his newly “reformed” mother.\nHe was returned to Ms S a year later, with severe setbacks. She did everything that she could for this boy. Bit, when the state took him back again, she was done. Eventually, her remaining kids aged out of the system.\nAnyway, long ass story. Please forgive me for this. I’m just thinking about the little girl from this story and hoping that she lands in the lap of a Ms S in a special creaky rocking chair and comes to know comfort from a truly caring person and never has to be returned to an uncaring and abusive ”mother”.\nRIP Ms S for being the only real mom to many kids and for being a very special Grandmom to my kids . Never forgotten and always remembered.",
">\n\nCool story man. She sounds like a fantastic person",
">\n\nI swear i think i live next to this woman... Always screaming and swearing at her kids at the top of her lungs...",
">\n\nCall cps. Lived in a similar situation awhile back. I was afraid to call, wish I would be called earlier looking back at it.",
">\n\nDealt with CPS as a child growing up. They don’t care. My parents would have gone to jail had i been an animal and they were just as abusive. Especially if the child has no other family nearby to take em.",
">\n\nSounds awful for you. Im really sorry. As far as CPS goes I didn’t know what else do to, any ideas in case I find myself in a similar situation?\nNot too long after I called they moved out in the middle of the night and left their dog behind. Wish they would have left the kids wouldve adopted them too. \nHope you’re doing good now internet stranger.",
">\n\nShe obviously can't be trusted with her child, but I hope she gets the help that she clearly needs.",
">\n\nShe obviously hates the child and doesn't know how to take care of it so it should be taken and given to somebody who can take care of it and appreciate it. \nIt really makes me sick that there's people out there that struggle to get pregnant and want so desperately to have babies... And then you have this woman who decides to use her baby like a football. 🙄",
">\n\nYeah I hear kangaroos will throw their babies out to escape",
">\n\nI’m not advocating for violence, but the blunt end of a shingler’s hatchet works wonders as an attitude-correction tool.",
">\n\nThat's very Walmart of her",
">\n\ndead kid walking\nmom will get a slap on the wrist, at some point the courts will agree to a reunification plan, mom gets kid back\nmom and her boyfriend beat kid to death after starving it and abusing it for it's short miserable life",
">\n\nThat is such an extremely disgusting act to do. Baby deserves better than that.",
">\n\nSomeone is about to lose her parental rights.",
">\n\nI really wish I never clicked on this post. Not everyone is fit to be a parent.",
">\n\nThe charges aren’t severe enough. “Endangering the welfare?” A kick from an adult can kill a one year old baby…\nShe needs to go to prison for good.",
">\n\nI expect a lot of stories like this over the next decade as abortion restrictions lead to people who aren't prepared for kids to become parents.",
">\n\nCan we not link everything that and instead focus on the fact this a shitty person instead?",
">\n\nok and abortion reduces the number of shitty people having children. it is all related.",
">\n\nThere is no guarantee shitty people would go about it. They still have to want to do it during a very limited window.",
">\n\nJust pure numbers, more abortions mean at least one less shitty person having kids",
">\n\nJust read the article, I hope the baby is safe, taken out of her custody permanently, and this vile bitch is spayed like a stray dog and thrown into jail for 5-7 years. (I'm aware that won't happen) Fucking worst type of human. Disgusting and reprehensible behavior.",
">\n\nWatch the downfall of Mankind: Go to r/publicfreakout search \"WalMart\"... \"Waffle House\", \"MacDonald's\" and \"Starbucks\" will suffice also.",
">\n\nI can't be the only who thinks it's interesting as a society we have to take have qualifications for certain jobs but to be a parent.. fuck it, you don't need training at all.. seems a little fucked up",
">\n\nThere are evil assholes in this thread saying that people have a god-given right to have, kill, barbecue and eat their own children. They claim it's \"freedom from state over-reach\", but it means they want to kill, barbecue and eat children with zero consequences. Child abuse is common in this world. My own father beat me until I put him in the hospital and then never saw him again. These assholes want to make sure fathers are allowed to beat their children freely, and that any child who defends themself is punished. Fuck those people!\nThe state has a role in protecting children. And anyone against it is an enemy of decency.",
">\n\nPaterson, NJ. No surprise....",
">\n\nThe surprise is it’s not Florida.",
">\n\nAnother baby mama loses her child. Don't worry; she'll make more.",
">\n\nThat is not a mom, this is a piece of trash that let some guy rawdog her.",
">\n\nSpay her and lock her up for ten years. In no way should she ever be in a position to bring more children into the world to abuse. \nWhat hasn't been caught on camera in this woman's home? What emotional damage has already been inflicted prior that might not be able to be fixed?",
">\n\nLike the quokka, shoplifters are known to throw their offspring down to bait predators and increase the chances of escape.",
">\n\nPrison and throw away the key",
">\n\nBruh that’s a rough 23 😬",
">\n\nSo a typical Walmart outing",
">\n\nI think this is the appropriate use of the phrase \"that woman is a cunt\".",
">\n\nLast minute effort to clinch the Mother of the Year Award?",
">\n\nThe Quokka defense rarely works for humans.",
">\n\nSo… another normal day at any American Walmart then?",
">\n\nFrankly the supreme court really messed us all up. But what we have here is someone that is obviously to unstable to be a parent.",
">\n\nWould be really hard to watch this and not punch that cunt in the face repeatedly. Maybe a kick or two as well.",
">\n\nIf she’s willing to do that in public, I can’t even fathom what she would do to that child at home.",
">\n\nThey call this a Soccer mom.",
">\n\nThrow her trashy ass in jail",
">\n\nI read stuff like this and realize some people aren’t worthy of living. Hope the kid turns out alright because she’s not worthy of anything.",
">\n\nThe cycle continues for that family. Always remember you can be the one to change things but it takes patience which I think is something that should be stressed a lot more but isn't. If you don't have patience then you won't be able to deal with a screaming 1-year-old. It's that simple.",
">\n\n\"Kick the baby!\" - Kyle Broflovski",
">\n\nThis is a horrifically damaged person. In no way do I excuse her abuse of this poor little baby, though.",
">\n\nYes, yes, bad mother, poor child and all that. Clearly this lady has some issues and very likely needs professional psychiatric help. Or maybe she's just a narcissistic, entitled asshole. Either way she should've never been saddled with a child.",
">\n\ni wish you weren't being downvoted, because obviously this woman has some issues, and the age of the child indicates that it could be postpartum depression, which is not nothing. or, like you said, she could just be an asshole. \nscreaming and punching a wall because a baby was crying? that is definitely not normal. obviously it's horrible that the baby has been abused, and thankfully it is physically okay from this assault, but the mom obviously needs help.",
">\n\nYeah, people in this thread are clamoring for her to be thrown in jail but that really isnt gonna solve anything (shed probably come out worse).\nShes clearly not all there.",
">\n\nand i'm getting downvoted for saying she needs help, lol what.",
">\n\nYou're being down voted for worrying about the wrong person. The child is the one that needs compassion. The abusers needs are less important.",
">\n\nMost Walmart sentence ever.",
">\n\nI obviously know nothing of this woman and her history but uncharacteristic rage and unfortunately in some cases violent outbursts can be a sign of postpartum depression. Hormones can do crazy things.",
">\n\nYou and her both need to walk into traffic",
">\n\nSeems like a solid way to deal with mental illness? Postpartum depression is a very real thing and can make people act in uncharacteristic ways.",
">\n\nQueue up the Janes Addiction",
">\n\nSay what you mean."
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I guess you got too embarrassed or downvoted and deleted it right after that comment eh?
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"That website is giving my browser cancer so here's the text for anyone else who can't get it to load properly.\n\nTETERBORO — A mother kicked her baby daughter and sent the child careening across the floor after shoplifting from Walmart, according to police.\nJamira McDaniel, 23, of Paterson, was caught stealing at the supercenter in Teterboro by Walmart theft protection personnel on Tuesday, Moonachie Police Lt. Jeff Napolitano confirmed to New Jersey 101.5.\nMcDaniel was with her 1-year-old girl and the child's aunt.\nAfter she was taken to the store's security office, McDaniel placed the baby girl on the ground and kicked her in the back, Napolitano said. The toddler was sent across the floor and into the security office.\nAccording to Napolitano, the incident was caught on security cameras. He said video of the kick was turned over to Bergen County court but was not yet publicly available.\nThe theft protection workers then picked up the inconsolable child, handed her to McDaniel's sister, and called the police.\n\"McDaniel, upset by the girl who was now screaming and crying while being held by her aunt, began punching walls and yelling for the baby to stop crying,\" Napolitano explained. \"McDaniel also grabbed the baby and began to shake her while she was being held by her aunt.\"\nMoonachie cops soon arrived at the store and called an ambulance to evaluate the baby. Fortunately, first responders found the child was uninjured.\nThe mother is charged with endangering the welfare of a child, assault, shoplifting, and criminal mischief, according to Napolitano.\nMcDaniel was sent to Bergen County jail, which is where she remains as of Wednesday evening. The aunt was not charged and the child was given to family members.\n\nGod help that poor baby.",
">\n\nSome people really need to not have kids",
">\n\nMore people should have abortions. If someone cannot or doesn’t want to raise a child abortion should be the first choice. Bringing children into this world only for them to suffer is awful. So many wind up in the foster system and no one adopts them then they age out. Then you have adults who have no family or resources and continue to suffer. \nAnytime someone says abortion is bad and they should just birth the child and give it up for adoption should be required to take one of those children into their homes. \nCausing unwavering suffering of another living being is immoral.",
">\n\nI absolutely agree but there is also a large subset of people that WANT to have kids but are still completely awful parents.",
">\n\nHence, the reverse abortion! A simple way to solve these issues",
">\n\nWhat's a reverse abortion? Shoving the child back up the coochie and into the uterus?? \nMaybe I'm just super dumb today and drank too much or too little coffee, but I really don't know what a reverse abortion would be. \nAm I going to feel really stupid when you tell me? If so, that's ok, just tell me anyway, I'm used to feeling stupid.",
">\n\nInstead of aborting babies, abort the parents",
">\n\nCan you legally abort a baby after 18 years?",
">\n\nSometimes I ask my mom if she would feel comfortable having a 124th trimester abortion. My brother is not working out.",
">\n\nReading that article, it sounds like being a shoplifter is the best thing about her.",
">\n\nWhen my kids were little I found it almost impossible to read articles like this. They would stick with me for days or weeks. \nI really hope that baby ends up in a loving home because game fucking over for mom.",
">\n\nI have a 1½‐year-old and reading this makes me want to cry.",
">\n\nSame. I just can’t read anything like this, it’s so horrifying. And I just hold my kiddo and cry and then be sad I can’t love all the babies and protect them all. \nKids are just so freaking pure and good and they just want to be loved and safe like that’s it man. How could you do something to something so innocent?",
">\n\nReading your comment, in contrast to OP’s horror inducing title, legit just brought a tear to my eye. Makes me hug my kiddos extra just thinking about it!",
">\n\nIf she kicks and shakes the baby in public, I can’t imagine what she does to that poor child at home. Disgusting woman.",
">\n\nAbortion should be legal so we can make sure this woman never existed.",
">\n\nWe should be able to abort the mother in this instance.",
">\n\nThat’s… that’s what he just inferred",
">\n\nDoesn't hurt to drive the point home",
">\n\nYou see horrible parenting in a walmart any day, but this is is, I think, the worst I've heard of. I hope she doesn't get that poor kid back.",
">\n\nUnfortunately, in this circumstance, it's better for her to do this shit in public and get caught so the baby (and other possible kids) gets taken away. If that's what she does in public, imagine what she does behind closed doors.",
">\n\nHoly fuck, Adblock on Firefox shows 450+ blocked on that website alone???",
">\n\nNow do you see why everyone on reddit is losing their mind over the news that Chrome is preventing ad block.\nIf you haven't switched to Firefox or something else, you might want to start test driving a few browsers because good LORD you have no idea how bad things are without ad block.",
">\n\nPiece of trash. Even reading the article boils my blood.",
">\n\nDefinitely r/iamatotalpieceofshit material",
">\n\nThank god she showed her true abusive colours while on camera and in front of everyone. Now the kid will be protected from her and serious injury/trauma prevented.",
">\n\nI hope this baby finds her way to a loving and caring mother, and I hope this lady gets the mental help she needs.",
">\n\nYea and maybe my mom will quit drinking and my dad will come home.",
">\n\nHope is sometimes all we have",
">\n\nMy best friend’s mom was a foster parent for many years. She was well known by DFACS for taking in their most difficult cases, children of severe abuse, often arriving in the middle of the night with nothing more than the clothes on their backs. She didn’t have a lot of money, bit she somehow made due for all of the kids. She was practical and no nonsense, pragmatic and loving. I learned a lot about how to stretch a dollar to make struggle meals from her. Full bellies and full hearts.\nWhen I was a new mother, she was my lifeline. I knew nothing about babies and she patiently taught me what I needed to know. She talked me through my son’s first bath over the telephone, I was exhausted from lack of sleep because my baby had severe colic. And, Ms S would gather him into her arms and rock him in her special creaky rocking chair. And, he fell into a blissful and untroubled sleep. She was truly a baby whisperer. \nHer heart and soul were devoted to children who were victims of horrific abuse. She took in a toddler who had spent much of his young life living in a cage. He was non verbal and unable to walk. After several years, she brought him up to nearly his age level. He was walking and verbal. The state stepped in and returned him to his newly “reformed” mother.\nHe was returned to Ms S a year later, with severe setbacks. She did everything that she could for this boy. Bit, when the state took him back again, she was done. Eventually, her remaining kids aged out of the system.\nAnyway, long ass story. Please forgive me for this. I’m just thinking about the little girl from this story and hoping that she lands in the lap of a Ms S in a special creaky rocking chair and comes to know comfort from a truly caring person and never has to be returned to an uncaring and abusive ”mother”.\nRIP Ms S for being the only real mom to many kids and for being a very special Grandmom to my kids . Never forgotten and always remembered.",
">\n\nCool story man. She sounds like a fantastic person",
">\n\nI swear i think i live next to this woman... Always screaming and swearing at her kids at the top of her lungs...",
">\n\nCall cps. Lived in a similar situation awhile back. I was afraid to call, wish I would be called earlier looking back at it.",
">\n\nDealt with CPS as a child growing up. They don’t care. My parents would have gone to jail had i been an animal and they were just as abusive. Especially if the child has no other family nearby to take em.",
">\n\nSounds awful for you. Im really sorry. As far as CPS goes I didn’t know what else do to, any ideas in case I find myself in a similar situation?\nNot too long after I called they moved out in the middle of the night and left their dog behind. Wish they would have left the kids wouldve adopted them too. \nHope you’re doing good now internet stranger.",
">\n\nShe obviously can't be trusted with her child, but I hope she gets the help that she clearly needs.",
">\n\nShe obviously hates the child and doesn't know how to take care of it so it should be taken and given to somebody who can take care of it and appreciate it. \nIt really makes me sick that there's people out there that struggle to get pregnant and want so desperately to have babies... And then you have this woman who decides to use her baby like a football. 🙄",
">\n\nYeah I hear kangaroos will throw their babies out to escape",
">\n\nI’m not advocating for violence, but the blunt end of a shingler’s hatchet works wonders as an attitude-correction tool.",
">\n\nThat's very Walmart of her",
">\n\ndead kid walking\nmom will get a slap on the wrist, at some point the courts will agree to a reunification plan, mom gets kid back\nmom and her boyfriend beat kid to death after starving it and abusing it for it's short miserable life",
">\n\nThat is such an extremely disgusting act to do. Baby deserves better than that.",
">\n\nSomeone is about to lose her parental rights.",
">\n\nI really wish I never clicked on this post. Not everyone is fit to be a parent.",
">\n\nThe charges aren’t severe enough. “Endangering the welfare?” A kick from an adult can kill a one year old baby…\nShe needs to go to prison for good.",
">\n\nI expect a lot of stories like this over the next decade as abortion restrictions lead to people who aren't prepared for kids to become parents.",
">\n\nCan we not link everything that and instead focus on the fact this a shitty person instead?",
">\n\nok and abortion reduces the number of shitty people having children. it is all related.",
">\n\nThere is no guarantee shitty people would go about it. They still have to want to do it during a very limited window.",
">\n\nJust pure numbers, more abortions mean at least one less shitty person having kids",
">\n\nJust read the article, I hope the baby is safe, taken out of her custody permanently, and this vile bitch is spayed like a stray dog and thrown into jail for 5-7 years. (I'm aware that won't happen) Fucking worst type of human. Disgusting and reprehensible behavior.",
">\n\nWatch the downfall of Mankind: Go to r/publicfreakout search \"WalMart\"... \"Waffle House\", \"MacDonald's\" and \"Starbucks\" will suffice also.",
">\n\nI can't be the only who thinks it's interesting as a society we have to take have qualifications for certain jobs but to be a parent.. fuck it, you don't need training at all.. seems a little fucked up",
">\n\nThere are evil assholes in this thread saying that people have a god-given right to have, kill, barbecue and eat their own children. They claim it's \"freedom from state over-reach\", but it means they want to kill, barbecue and eat children with zero consequences. Child abuse is common in this world. My own father beat me until I put him in the hospital and then never saw him again. These assholes want to make sure fathers are allowed to beat their children freely, and that any child who defends themself is punished. Fuck those people!\nThe state has a role in protecting children. And anyone against it is an enemy of decency.",
">\n\nPaterson, NJ. No surprise....",
">\n\nThe surprise is it’s not Florida.",
">\n\nAnother baby mama loses her child. Don't worry; she'll make more.",
">\n\nThat is not a mom, this is a piece of trash that let some guy rawdog her.",
">\n\nSpay her and lock her up for ten years. In no way should she ever be in a position to bring more children into the world to abuse. \nWhat hasn't been caught on camera in this woman's home? What emotional damage has already been inflicted prior that might not be able to be fixed?",
">\n\nLike the quokka, shoplifters are known to throw their offspring down to bait predators and increase the chances of escape.",
">\n\nPrison and throw away the key",
">\n\nBruh that’s a rough 23 😬",
">\n\nSo a typical Walmart outing",
">\n\nI think this is the appropriate use of the phrase \"that woman is a cunt\".",
">\n\nLast minute effort to clinch the Mother of the Year Award?",
">\n\nThe Quokka defense rarely works for humans.",
">\n\nSo… another normal day at any American Walmart then?",
">\n\nFrankly the supreme court really messed us all up. But what we have here is someone that is obviously to unstable to be a parent.",
">\n\nWould be really hard to watch this and not punch that cunt in the face repeatedly. Maybe a kick or two as well.",
">\n\nIf she’s willing to do that in public, I can’t even fathom what she would do to that child at home.",
">\n\nThey call this a Soccer mom.",
">\n\nThrow her trashy ass in jail",
">\n\nI read stuff like this and realize some people aren’t worthy of living. Hope the kid turns out alright because she’s not worthy of anything.",
">\n\nThe cycle continues for that family. Always remember you can be the one to change things but it takes patience which I think is something that should be stressed a lot more but isn't. If you don't have patience then you won't be able to deal with a screaming 1-year-old. It's that simple.",
">\n\n\"Kick the baby!\" - Kyle Broflovski",
">\n\nThis is a horrifically damaged person. In no way do I excuse her abuse of this poor little baby, though.",
">\n\nYes, yes, bad mother, poor child and all that. Clearly this lady has some issues and very likely needs professional psychiatric help. Or maybe she's just a narcissistic, entitled asshole. Either way she should've never been saddled with a child.",
">\n\ni wish you weren't being downvoted, because obviously this woman has some issues, and the age of the child indicates that it could be postpartum depression, which is not nothing. or, like you said, she could just be an asshole. \nscreaming and punching a wall because a baby was crying? that is definitely not normal. obviously it's horrible that the baby has been abused, and thankfully it is physically okay from this assault, but the mom obviously needs help.",
">\n\nYeah, people in this thread are clamoring for her to be thrown in jail but that really isnt gonna solve anything (shed probably come out worse).\nShes clearly not all there.",
">\n\nand i'm getting downvoted for saying she needs help, lol what.",
">\n\nYou're being down voted for worrying about the wrong person. The child is the one that needs compassion. The abusers needs are less important.",
">\n\nMost Walmart sentence ever.",
">\n\nI obviously know nothing of this woman and her history but uncharacteristic rage and unfortunately in some cases violent outbursts can be a sign of postpartum depression. Hormones can do crazy things.",
">\n\nYou and her both need to walk into traffic",
">\n\nSeems like a solid way to deal with mental illness? Postpartum depression is a very real thing and can make people act in uncharacteristic ways.",
">\n\nQueue up the Janes Addiction",
">\n\nSay what you mean.",
">\n\nIt’s right there ^"
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Nope. It’s all right there still.
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"That website is giving my browser cancer so here's the text for anyone else who can't get it to load properly.\n\nTETERBORO — A mother kicked her baby daughter and sent the child careening across the floor after shoplifting from Walmart, according to police.\nJamira McDaniel, 23, of Paterson, was caught stealing at the supercenter in Teterboro by Walmart theft protection personnel on Tuesday, Moonachie Police Lt. Jeff Napolitano confirmed to New Jersey 101.5.\nMcDaniel was with her 1-year-old girl and the child's aunt.\nAfter she was taken to the store's security office, McDaniel placed the baby girl on the ground and kicked her in the back, Napolitano said. The toddler was sent across the floor and into the security office.\nAccording to Napolitano, the incident was caught on security cameras. He said video of the kick was turned over to Bergen County court but was not yet publicly available.\nThe theft protection workers then picked up the inconsolable child, handed her to McDaniel's sister, and called the police.\n\"McDaniel, upset by the girl who was now screaming and crying while being held by her aunt, began punching walls and yelling for the baby to stop crying,\" Napolitano explained. \"McDaniel also grabbed the baby and began to shake her while she was being held by her aunt.\"\nMoonachie cops soon arrived at the store and called an ambulance to evaluate the baby. Fortunately, first responders found the child was uninjured.\nThe mother is charged with endangering the welfare of a child, assault, shoplifting, and criminal mischief, according to Napolitano.\nMcDaniel was sent to Bergen County jail, which is where she remains as of Wednesday evening. The aunt was not charged and the child was given to family members.\n\nGod help that poor baby.",
">\n\nSome people really need to not have kids",
">\n\nMore people should have abortions. If someone cannot or doesn’t want to raise a child abortion should be the first choice. Bringing children into this world only for them to suffer is awful. So many wind up in the foster system and no one adopts them then they age out. Then you have adults who have no family or resources and continue to suffer. \nAnytime someone says abortion is bad and they should just birth the child and give it up for adoption should be required to take one of those children into their homes. \nCausing unwavering suffering of another living being is immoral.",
">\n\nI absolutely agree but there is also a large subset of people that WANT to have kids but are still completely awful parents.",
">\n\nHence, the reverse abortion! A simple way to solve these issues",
">\n\nWhat's a reverse abortion? Shoving the child back up the coochie and into the uterus?? \nMaybe I'm just super dumb today and drank too much or too little coffee, but I really don't know what a reverse abortion would be. \nAm I going to feel really stupid when you tell me? If so, that's ok, just tell me anyway, I'm used to feeling stupid.",
">\n\nInstead of aborting babies, abort the parents",
">\n\nCan you legally abort a baby after 18 years?",
">\n\nSometimes I ask my mom if she would feel comfortable having a 124th trimester abortion. My brother is not working out.",
">\n\nReading that article, it sounds like being a shoplifter is the best thing about her.",
">\n\nWhen my kids were little I found it almost impossible to read articles like this. They would stick with me for days or weeks. \nI really hope that baby ends up in a loving home because game fucking over for mom.",
">\n\nI have a 1½‐year-old and reading this makes me want to cry.",
">\n\nSame. I just can’t read anything like this, it’s so horrifying. And I just hold my kiddo and cry and then be sad I can’t love all the babies and protect them all. \nKids are just so freaking pure and good and they just want to be loved and safe like that’s it man. How could you do something to something so innocent?",
">\n\nReading your comment, in contrast to OP’s horror inducing title, legit just brought a tear to my eye. Makes me hug my kiddos extra just thinking about it!",
">\n\nIf she kicks and shakes the baby in public, I can’t imagine what she does to that poor child at home. Disgusting woman.",
">\n\nAbortion should be legal so we can make sure this woman never existed.",
">\n\nWe should be able to abort the mother in this instance.",
">\n\nThat’s… that’s what he just inferred",
">\n\nDoesn't hurt to drive the point home",
">\n\nYou see horrible parenting in a walmart any day, but this is is, I think, the worst I've heard of. I hope she doesn't get that poor kid back.",
">\n\nUnfortunately, in this circumstance, it's better for her to do this shit in public and get caught so the baby (and other possible kids) gets taken away. If that's what she does in public, imagine what she does behind closed doors.",
">\n\nHoly fuck, Adblock on Firefox shows 450+ blocked on that website alone???",
">\n\nNow do you see why everyone on reddit is losing their mind over the news that Chrome is preventing ad block.\nIf you haven't switched to Firefox or something else, you might want to start test driving a few browsers because good LORD you have no idea how bad things are without ad block.",
">\n\nPiece of trash. Even reading the article boils my blood.",
">\n\nDefinitely r/iamatotalpieceofshit material",
">\n\nThank god she showed her true abusive colours while on camera and in front of everyone. Now the kid will be protected from her and serious injury/trauma prevented.",
">\n\nI hope this baby finds her way to a loving and caring mother, and I hope this lady gets the mental help she needs.",
">\n\nYea and maybe my mom will quit drinking and my dad will come home.",
">\n\nHope is sometimes all we have",
">\n\nMy best friend’s mom was a foster parent for many years. She was well known by DFACS for taking in their most difficult cases, children of severe abuse, often arriving in the middle of the night with nothing more than the clothes on their backs. She didn’t have a lot of money, bit she somehow made due for all of the kids. She was practical and no nonsense, pragmatic and loving. I learned a lot about how to stretch a dollar to make struggle meals from her. Full bellies and full hearts.\nWhen I was a new mother, she was my lifeline. I knew nothing about babies and she patiently taught me what I needed to know. She talked me through my son’s first bath over the telephone, I was exhausted from lack of sleep because my baby had severe colic. And, Ms S would gather him into her arms and rock him in her special creaky rocking chair. And, he fell into a blissful and untroubled sleep. She was truly a baby whisperer. \nHer heart and soul were devoted to children who were victims of horrific abuse. She took in a toddler who had spent much of his young life living in a cage. He was non verbal and unable to walk. After several years, she brought him up to nearly his age level. He was walking and verbal. The state stepped in and returned him to his newly “reformed” mother.\nHe was returned to Ms S a year later, with severe setbacks. She did everything that she could for this boy. Bit, when the state took him back again, she was done. Eventually, her remaining kids aged out of the system.\nAnyway, long ass story. Please forgive me for this. I’m just thinking about the little girl from this story and hoping that she lands in the lap of a Ms S in a special creaky rocking chair and comes to know comfort from a truly caring person and never has to be returned to an uncaring and abusive ”mother”.\nRIP Ms S for being the only real mom to many kids and for being a very special Grandmom to my kids . Never forgotten and always remembered.",
">\n\nCool story man. She sounds like a fantastic person",
">\n\nI swear i think i live next to this woman... Always screaming and swearing at her kids at the top of her lungs...",
">\n\nCall cps. Lived in a similar situation awhile back. I was afraid to call, wish I would be called earlier looking back at it.",
">\n\nDealt with CPS as a child growing up. They don’t care. My parents would have gone to jail had i been an animal and they were just as abusive. Especially if the child has no other family nearby to take em.",
">\n\nSounds awful for you. Im really sorry. As far as CPS goes I didn’t know what else do to, any ideas in case I find myself in a similar situation?\nNot too long after I called they moved out in the middle of the night and left their dog behind. Wish they would have left the kids wouldve adopted them too. \nHope you’re doing good now internet stranger.",
">\n\nShe obviously can't be trusted with her child, but I hope she gets the help that she clearly needs.",
">\n\nShe obviously hates the child and doesn't know how to take care of it so it should be taken and given to somebody who can take care of it and appreciate it. \nIt really makes me sick that there's people out there that struggle to get pregnant and want so desperately to have babies... And then you have this woman who decides to use her baby like a football. 🙄",
">\n\nYeah I hear kangaroos will throw their babies out to escape",
">\n\nI’m not advocating for violence, but the blunt end of a shingler’s hatchet works wonders as an attitude-correction tool.",
">\n\nThat's very Walmart of her",
">\n\ndead kid walking\nmom will get a slap on the wrist, at some point the courts will agree to a reunification plan, mom gets kid back\nmom and her boyfriend beat kid to death after starving it and abusing it for it's short miserable life",
">\n\nThat is such an extremely disgusting act to do. Baby deserves better than that.",
">\n\nSomeone is about to lose her parental rights.",
">\n\nI really wish I never clicked on this post. Not everyone is fit to be a parent.",
">\n\nThe charges aren’t severe enough. “Endangering the welfare?” A kick from an adult can kill a one year old baby…\nShe needs to go to prison for good.",
">\n\nI expect a lot of stories like this over the next decade as abortion restrictions lead to people who aren't prepared for kids to become parents.",
">\n\nCan we not link everything that and instead focus on the fact this a shitty person instead?",
">\n\nok and abortion reduces the number of shitty people having children. it is all related.",
">\n\nThere is no guarantee shitty people would go about it. They still have to want to do it during a very limited window.",
">\n\nJust pure numbers, more abortions mean at least one less shitty person having kids",
">\n\nJust read the article, I hope the baby is safe, taken out of her custody permanently, and this vile bitch is spayed like a stray dog and thrown into jail for 5-7 years. (I'm aware that won't happen) Fucking worst type of human. Disgusting and reprehensible behavior.",
">\n\nWatch the downfall of Mankind: Go to r/publicfreakout search \"WalMart\"... \"Waffle House\", \"MacDonald's\" and \"Starbucks\" will suffice also.",
">\n\nI can't be the only who thinks it's interesting as a society we have to take have qualifications for certain jobs but to be a parent.. fuck it, you don't need training at all.. seems a little fucked up",
">\n\nThere are evil assholes in this thread saying that people have a god-given right to have, kill, barbecue and eat their own children. They claim it's \"freedom from state over-reach\", but it means they want to kill, barbecue and eat children with zero consequences. Child abuse is common in this world. My own father beat me until I put him in the hospital and then never saw him again. These assholes want to make sure fathers are allowed to beat their children freely, and that any child who defends themself is punished. Fuck those people!\nThe state has a role in protecting children. And anyone against it is an enemy of decency.",
">\n\nPaterson, NJ. No surprise....",
">\n\nThe surprise is it’s not Florida.",
">\n\nAnother baby mama loses her child. Don't worry; she'll make more.",
">\n\nThat is not a mom, this is a piece of trash that let some guy rawdog her.",
">\n\nSpay her and lock her up for ten years. In no way should she ever be in a position to bring more children into the world to abuse. \nWhat hasn't been caught on camera in this woman's home? What emotional damage has already been inflicted prior that might not be able to be fixed?",
">\n\nLike the quokka, shoplifters are known to throw their offspring down to bait predators and increase the chances of escape.",
">\n\nPrison and throw away the key",
">\n\nBruh that’s a rough 23 😬",
">\n\nSo a typical Walmart outing",
">\n\nI think this is the appropriate use of the phrase \"that woman is a cunt\".",
">\n\nLast minute effort to clinch the Mother of the Year Award?",
">\n\nThe Quokka defense rarely works for humans.",
">\n\nSo… another normal day at any American Walmart then?",
">\n\nFrankly the supreme court really messed us all up. But what we have here is someone that is obviously to unstable to be a parent.",
">\n\nWould be really hard to watch this and not punch that cunt in the face repeatedly. Maybe a kick or two as well.",
">\n\nIf she’s willing to do that in public, I can’t even fathom what she would do to that child at home.",
">\n\nThey call this a Soccer mom.",
">\n\nThrow her trashy ass in jail",
">\n\nI read stuff like this and realize some people aren’t worthy of living. Hope the kid turns out alright because she’s not worthy of anything.",
">\n\nThe cycle continues for that family. Always remember you can be the one to change things but it takes patience which I think is something that should be stressed a lot more but isn't. If you don't have patience then you won't be able to deal with a screaming 1-year-old. It's that simple.",
">\n\n\"Kick the baby!\" - Kyle Broflovski",
">\n\nThis is a horrifically damaged person. In no way do I excuse her abuse of this poor little baby, though.",
">\n\nYes, yes, bad mother, poor child and all that. Clearly this lady has some issues and very likely needs professional psychiatric help. Or maybe she's just a narcissistic, entitled asshole. Either way she should've never been saddled with a child.",
">\n\ni wish you weren't being downvoted, because obviously this woman has some issues, and the age of the child indicates that it could be postpartum depression, which is not nothing. or, like you said, she could just be an asshole. \nscreaming and punching a wall because a baby was crying? that is definitely not normal. obviously it's horrible that the baby has been abused, and thankfully it is physically okay from this assault, but the mom obviously needs help.",
">\n\nYeah, people in this thread are clamoring for her to be thrown in jail but that really isnt gonna solve anything (shed probably come out worse).\nShes clearly not all there.",
">\n\nand i'm getting downvoted for saying she needs help, lol what.",
">\n\nYou're being down voted for worrying about the wrong person. The child is the one that needs compassion. The abusers needs are less important.",
">\n\nMost Walmart sentence ever.",
">\n\nI obviously know nothing of this woman and her history but uncharacteristic rage and unfortunately in some cases violent outbursts can be a sign of postpartum depression. Hormones can do crazy things.",
">\n\nYou and her both need to walk into traffic",
">\n\nSeems like a solid way to deal with mental illness? Postpartum depression is a very real thing and can make people act in uncharacteristic ways.",
">\n\nQueue up the Janes Addiction",
">\n\nSay what you mean.",
">\n\nIt’s right there ^",
">\n\nI guess you got too embarrassed or downvoted and deleted it right after that comment eh?"
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It says deleted clear as day, but alright. I’ll just look up the edits because I’m curious.
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"That website is giving my browser cancer so here's the text for anyone else who can't get it to load properly.\n\nTETERBORO — A mother kicked her baby daughter and sent the child careening across the floor after shoplifting from Walmart, according to police.\nJamira McDaniel, 23, of Paterson, was caught stealing at the supercenter in Teterboro by Walmart theft protection personnel on Tuesday, Moonachie Police Lt. Jeff Napolitano confirmed to New Jersey 101.5.\nMcDaniel was with her 1-year-old girl and the child's aunt.\nAfter she was taken to the store's security office, McDaniel placed the baby girl on the ground and kicked her in the back, Napolitano said. The toddler was sent across the floor and into the security office.\nAccording to Napolitano, the incident was caught on security cameras. He said video of the kick was turned over to Bergen County court but was not yet publicly available.\nThe theft protection workers then picked up the inconsolable child, handed her to McDaniel's sister, and called the police.\n\"McDaniel, upset by the girl who was now screaming and crying while being held by her aunt, began punching walls and yelling for the baby to stop crying,\" Napolitano explained. \"McDaniel also grabbed the baby and began to shake her while she was being held by her aunt.\"\nMoonachie cops soon arrived at the store and called an ambulance to evaluate the baby. Fortunately, first responders found the child was uninjured.\nThe mother is charged with endangering the welfare of a child, assault, shoplifting, and criminal mischief, according to Napolitano.\nMcDaniel was sent to Bergen County jail, which is where she remains as of Wednesday evening. The aunt was not charged and the child was given to family members.\n\nGod help that poor baby.",
">\n\nSome people really need to not have kids",
">\n\nMore people should have abortions. If someone cannot or doesn’t want to raise a child abortion should be the first choice. Bringing children into this world only for them to suffer is awful. So many wind up in the foster system and no one adopts them then they age out. Then you have adults who have no family or resources and continue to suffer. \nAnytime someone says abortion is bad and they should just birth the child and give it up for adoption should be required to take one of those children into their homes. \nCausing unwavering suffering of another living being is immoral.",
">\n\nI absolutely agree but there is also a large subset of people that WANT to have kids but are still completely awful parents.",
">\n\nHence, the reverse abortion! A simple way to solve these issues",
">\n\nWhat's a reverse abortion? Shoving the child back up the coochie and into the uterus?? \nMaybe I'm just super dumb today and drank too much or too little coffee, but I really don't know what a reverse abortion would be. \nAm I going to feel really stupid when you tell me? If so, that's ok, just tell me anyway, I'm used to feeling stupid.",
">\n\nInstead of aborting babies, abort the parents",
">\n\nCan you legally abort a baby after 18 years?",
">\n\nSometimes I ask my mom if she would feel comfortable having a 124th trimester abortion. My brother is not working out.",
">\n\nReading that article, it sounds like being a shoplifter is the best thing about her.",
">\n\nWhen my kids were little I found it almost impossible to read articles like this. They would stick with me for days or weeks. \nI really hope that baby ends up in a loving home because game fucking over for mom.",
">\n\nI have a 1½‐year-old and reading this makes me want to cry.",
">\n\nSame. I just can’t read anything like this, it’s so horrifying. And I just hold my kiddo and cry and then be sad I can’t love all the babies and protect them all. \nKids are just so freaking pure and good and they just want to be loved and safe like that’s it man. How could you do something to something so innocent?",
">\n\nReading your comment, in contrast to OP’s horror inducing title, legit just brought a tear to my eye. Makes me hug my kiddos extra just thinking about it!",
">\n\nIf she kicks and shakes the baby in public, I can’t imagine what she does to that poor child at home. Disgusting woman.",
">\n\nAbortion should be legal so we can make sure this woman never existed.",
">\n\nWe should be able to abort the mother in this instance.",
">\n\nThat’s… that’s what he just inferred",
">\n\nDoesn't hurt to drive the point home",
">\n\nYou see horrible parenting in a walmart any day, but this is is, I think, the worst I've heard of. I hope she doesn't get that poor kid back.",
">\n\nUnfortunately, in this circumstance, it's better for her to do this shit in public and get caught so the baby (and other possible kids) gets taken away. If that's what she does in public, imagine what she does behind closed doors.",
">\n\nHoly fuck, Adblock on Firefox shows 450+ blocked on that website alone???",
">\n\nNow do you see why everyone on reddit is losing their mind over the news that Chrome is preventing ad block.\nIf you haven't switched to Firefox or something else, you might want to start test driving a few browsers because good LORD you have no idea how bad things are without ad block.",
">\n\nPiece of trash. Even reading the article boils my blood.",
">\n\nDefinitely r/iamatotalpieceofshit material",
">\n\nThank god she showed her true abusive colours while on camera and in front of everyone. Now the kid will be protected from her and serious injury/trauma prevented.",
">\n\nI hope this baby finds her way to a loving and caring mother, and I hope this lady gets the mental help she needs.",
">\n\nYea and maybe my mom will quit drinking and my dad will come home.",
">\n\nHope is sometimes all we have",
">\n\nMy best friend’s mom was a foster parent for many years. She was well known by DFACS for taking in their most difficult cases, children of severe abuse, often arriving in the middle of the night with nothing more than the clothes on their backs. She didn’t have a lot of money, bit she somehow made due for all of the kids. She was practical and no nonsense, pragmatic and loving. I learned a lot about how to stretch a dollar to make struggle meals from her. Full bellies and full hearts.\nWhen I was a new mother, she was my lifeline. I knew nothing about babies and she patiently taught me what I needed to know. She talked me through my son’s first bath over the telephone, I was exhausted from lack of sleep because my baby had severe colic. And, Ms S would gather him into her arms and rock him in her special creaky rocking chair. And, he fell into a blissful and untroubled sleep. She was truly a baby whisperer. \nHer heart and soul were devoted to children who were victims of horrific abuse. She took in a toddler who had spent much of his young life living in a cage. He was non verbal and unable to walk. After several years, she brought him up to nearly his age level. He was walking and verbal. The state stepped in and returned him to his newly “reformed” mother.\nHe was returned to Ms S a year later, with severe setbacks. She did everything that she could for this boy. Bit, when the state took him back again, she was done. Eventually, her remaining kids aged out of the system.\nAnyway, long ass story. Please forgive me for this. I’m just thinking about the little girl from this story and hoping that she lands in the lap of a Ms S in a special creaky rocking chair and comes to know comfort from a truly caring person and never has to be returned to an uncaring and abusive ”mother”.\nRIP Ms S for being the only real mom to many kids and for being a very special Grandmom to my kids . Never forgotten and always remembered.",
">\n\nCool story man. She sounds like a fantastic person",
">\n\nI swear i think i live next to this woman... Always screaming and swearing at her kids at the top of her lungs...",
">\n\nCall cps. Lived in a similar situation awhile back. I was afraid to call, wish I would be called earlier looking back at it.",
">\n\nDealt with CPS as a child growing up. They don’t care. My parents would have gone to jail had i been an animal and they were just as abusive. Especially if the child has no other family nearby to take em.",
">\n\nSounds awful for you. Im really sorry. As far as CPS goes I didn’t know what else do to, any ideas in case I find myself in a similar situation?\nNot too long after I called they moved out in the middle of the night and left their dog behind. Wish they would have left the kids wouldve adopted them too. \nHope you’re doing good now internet stranger.",
">\n\nShe obviously can't be trusted with her child, but I hope she gets the help that she clearly needs.",
">\n\nShe obviously hates the child and doesn't know how to take care of it so it should be taken and given to somebody who can take care of it and appreciate it. \nIt really makes me sick that there's people out there that struggle to get pregnant and want so desperately to have babies... And then you have this woman who decides to use her baby like a football. 🙄",
">\n\nYeah I hear kangaroos will throw their babies out to escape",
">\n\nI’m not advocating for violence, but the blunt end of a shingler’s hatchet works wonders as an attitude-correction tool.",
">\n\nThat's very Walmart of her",
">\n\ndead kid walking\nmom will get a slap on the wrist, at some point the courts will agree to a reunification plan, mom gets kid back\nmom and her boyfriend beat kid to death after starving it and abusing it for it's short miserable life",
">\n\nThat is such an extremely disgusting act to do. Baby deserves better than that.",
">\n\nSomeone is about to lose her parental rights.",
">\n\nI really wish I never clicked on this post. Not everyone is fit to be a parent.",
">\n\nThe charges aren’t severe enough. “Endangering the welfare?” A kick from an adult can kill a one year old baby…\nShe needs to go to prison for good.",
">\n\nI expect a lot of stories like this over the next decade as abortion restrictions lead to people who aren't prepared for kids to become parents.",
">\n\nCan we not link everything that and instead focus on the fact this a shitty person instead?",
">\n\nok and abortion reduces the number of shitty people having children. it is all related.",
">\n\nThere is no guarantee shitty people would go about it. They still have to want to do it during a very limited window.",
">\n\nJust pure numbers, more abortions mean at least one less shitty person having kids",
">\n\nJust read the article, I hope the baby is safe, taken out of her custody permanently, and this vile bitch is spayed like a stray dog and thrown into jail for 5-7 years. (I'm aware that won't happen) Fucking worst type of human. Disgusting and reprehensible behavior.",
">\n\nWatch the downfall of Mankind: Go to r/publicfreakout search \"WalMart\"... \"Waffle House\", \"MacDonald's\" and \"Starbucks\" will suffice also.",
">\n\nI can't be the only who thinks it's interesting as a society we have to take have qualifications for certain jobs but to be a parent.. fuck it, you don't need training at all.. seems a little fucked up",
">\n\nThere are evil assholes in this thread saying that people have a god-given right to have, kill, barbecue and eat their own children. They claim it's \"freedom from state over-reach\", but it means they want to kill, barbecue and eat children with zero consequences. Child abuse is common in this world. My own father beat me until I put him in the hospital and then never saw him again. These assholes want to make sure fathers are allowed to beat their children freely, and that any child who defends themself is punished. Fuck those people!\nThe state has a role in protecting children. And anyone against it is an enemy of decency.",
">\n\nPaterson, NJ. No surprise....",
">\n\nThe surprise is it’s not Florida.",
">\n\nAnother baby mama loses her child. Don't worry; she'll make more.",
">\n\nThat is not a mom, this is a piece of trash that let some guy rawdog her.",
">\n\nSpay her and lock her up for ten years. In no way should she ever be in a position to bring more children into the world to abuse. \nWhat hasn't been caught on camera in this woman's home? What emotional damage has already been inflicted prior that might not be able to be fixed?",
">\n\nLike the quokka, shoplifters are known to throw their offspring down to bait predators and increase the chances of escape.",
">\n\nPrison and throw away the key",
">\n\nBruh that’s a rough 23 😬",
">\n\nSo a typical Walmart outing",
">\n\nI think this is the appropriate use of the phrase \"that woman is a cunt\".",
">\n\nLast minute effort to clinch the Mother of the Year Award?",
">\n\nThe Quokka defense rarely works for humans.",
">\n\nSo… another normal day at any American Walmart then?",
">\n\nFrankly the supreme court really messed us all up. But what we have here is someone that is obviously to unstable to be a parent.",
">\n\nWould be really hard to watch this and not punch that cunt in the face repeatedly. Maybe a kick or two as well.",
">\n\nIf she’s willing to do that in public, I can’t even fathom what she would do to that child at home.",
">\n\nThey call this a Soccer mom.",
">\n\nThrow her trashy ass in jail",
">\n\nI read stuff like this and realize some people aren’t worthy of living. Hope the kid turns out alright because she’s not worthy of anything.",
">\n\nThe cycle continues for that family. Always remember you can be the one to change things but it takes patience which I think is something that should be stressed a lot more but isn't. If you don't have patience then you won't be able to deal with a screaming 1-year-old. It's that simple.",
">\n\n\"Kick the baby!\" - Kyle Broflovski",
">\n\nThis is a horrifically damaged person. In no way do I excuse her abuse of this poor little baby, though.",
">\n\nYes, yes, bad mother, poor child and all that. Clearly this lady has some issues and very likely needs professional psychiatric help. Or maybe she's just a narcissistic, entitled asshole. Either way she should've never been saddled with a child.",
">\n\ni wish you weren't being downvoted, because obviously this woman has some issues, and the age of the child indicates that it could be postpartum depression, which is not nothing. or, like you said, she could just be an asshole. \nscreaming and punching a wall because a baby was crying? that is definitely not normal. obviously it's horrible that the baby has been abused, and thankfully it is physically okay from this assault, but the mom obviously needs help.",
">\n\nYeah, people in this thread are clamoring for her to be thrown in jail but that really isnt gonna solve anything (shed probably come out worse).\nShes clearly not all there.",
">\n\nand i'm getting downvoted for saying she needs help, lol what.",
">\n\nYou're being down voted for worrying about the wrong person. The child is the one that needs compassion. The abusers needs are less important.",
">\n\nMost Walmart sentence ever.",
">\n\nI obviously know nothing of this woman and her history but uncharacteristic rage and unfortunately in some cases violent outbursts can be a sign of postpartum depression. Hormones can do crazy things.",
">\n\nYou and her both need to walk into traffic",
">\n\nSeems like a solid way to deal with mental illness? Postpartum depression is a very real thing and can make people act in uncharacteristic ways.",
">\n\nQueue up the Janes Addiction",
">\n\nSay what you mean.",
">\n\nIt’s right there ^",
">\n\nI guess you got too embarrassed or downvoted and deleted it right after that comment eh?",
">\n\nNope. It’s all right there still."
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Nothing was deleted by me and still shows so 🤷🏻♂️
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"That website is giving my browser cancer so here's the text for anyone else who can't get it to load properly.\n\nTETERBORO — A mother kicked her baby daughter and sent the child careening across the floor after shoplifting from Walmart, according to police.\nJamira McDaniel, 23, of Paterson, was caught stealing at the supercenter in Teterboro by Walmart theft protection personnel on Tuesday, Moonachie Police Lt. Jeff Napolitano confirmed to New Jersey 101.5.\nMcDaniel was with her 1-year-old girl and the child's aunt.\nAfter she was taken to the store's security office, McDaniel placed the baby girl on the ground and kicked her in the back, Napolitano said. The toddler was sent across the floor and into the security office.\nAccording to Napolitano, the incident was caught on security cameras. He said video of the kick was turned over to Bergen County court but was not yet publicly available.\nThe theft protection workers then picked up the inconsolable child, handed her to McDaniel's sister, and called the police.\n\"McDaniel, upset by the girl who was now screaming and crying while being held by her aunt, began punching walls and yelling for the baby to stop crying,\" Napolitano explained. \"McDaniel also grabbed the baby and began to shake her while she was being held by her aunt.\"\nMoonachie cops soon arrived at the store and called an ambulance to evaluate the baby. Fortunately, first responders found the child was uninjured.\nThe mother is charged with endangering the welfare of a child, assault, shoplifting, and criminal mischief, according to Napolitano.\nMcDaniel was sent to Bergen County jail, which is where she remains as of Wednesday evening. The aunt was not charged and the child was given to family members.\n\nGod help that poor baby.",
">\n\nSome people really need to not have kids",
">\n\nMore people should have abortions. If someone cannot or doesn’t want to raise a child abortion should be the first choice. Bringing children into this world only for them to suffer is awful. So many wind up in the foster system and no one adopts them then they age out. Then you have adults who have no family or resources and continue to suffer. \nAnytime someone says abortion is bad and they should just birth the child and give it up for adoption should be required to take one of those children into their homes. \nCausing unwavering suffering of another living being is immoral.",
">\n\nI absolutely agree but there is also a large subset of people that WANT to have kids but are still completely awful parents.",
">\n\nHence, the reverse abortion! A simple way to solve these issues",
">\n\nWhat's a reverse abortion? Shoving the child back up the coochie and into the uterus?? \nMaybe I'm just super dumb today and drank too much or too little coffee, but I really don't know what a reverse abortion would be. \nAm I going to feel really stupid when you tell me? If so, that's ok, just tell me anyway, I'm used to feeling stupid.",
">\n\nInstead of aborting babies, abort the parents",
">\n\nCan you legally abort a baby after 18 years?",
">\n\nSometimes I ask my mom if she would feel comfortable having a 124th trimester abortion. My brother is not working out.",
">\n\nReading that article, it sounds like being a shoplifter is the best thing about her.",
">\n\nWhen my kids were little I found it almost impossible to read articles like this. They would stick with me for days or weeks. \nI really hope that baby ends up in a loving home because game fucking over for mom.",
">\n\nI have a 1½‐year-old and reading this makes me want to cry.",
">\n\nSame. I just can’t read anything like this, it’s so horrifying. And I just hold my kiddo and cry and then be sad I can’t love all the babies and protect them all. \nKids are just so freaking pure and good and they just want to be loved and safe like that’s it man. How could you do something to something so innocent?",
">\n\nReading your comment, in contrast to OP’s horror inducing title, legit just brought a tear to my eye. Makes me hug my kiddos extra just thinking about it!",
">\n\nIf she kicks and shakes the baby in public, I can’t imagine what she does to that poor child at home. Disgusting woman.",
">\n\nAbortion should be legal so we can make sure this woman never existed.",
">\n\nWe should be able to abort the mother in this instance.",
">\n\nThat’s… that’s what he just inferred",
">\n\nDoesn't hurt to drive the point home",
">\n\nYou see horrible parenting in a walmart any day, but this is is, I think, the worst I've heard of. I hope she doesn't get that poor kid back.",
">\n\nUnfortunately, in this circumstance, it's better for her to do this shit in public and get caught so the baby (and other possible kids) gets taken away. If that's what she does in public, imagine what she does behind closed doors.",
">\n\nHoly fuck, Adblock on Firefox shows 450+ blocked on that website alone???",
">\n\nNow do you see why everyone on reddit is losing their mind over the news that Chrome is preventing ad block.\nIf you haven't switched to Firefox or something else, you might want to start test driving a few browsers because good LORD you have no idea how bad things are without ad block.",
">\n\nPiece of trash. Even reading the article boils my blood.",
">\n\nDefinitely r/iamatotalpieceofshit material",
">\n\nThank god she showed her true abusive colours while on camera and in front of everyone. Now the kid will be protected from her and serious injury/trauma prevented.",
">\n\nI hope this baby finds her way to a loving and caring mother, and I hope this lady gets the mental help she needs.",
">\n\nYea and maybe my mom will quit drinking and my dad will come home.",
">\n\nHope is sometimes all we have",
">\n\nMy best friend’s mom was a foster parent for many years. She was well known by DFACS for taking in their most difficult cases, children of severe abuse, often arriving in the middle of the night with nothing more than the clothes on their backs. She didn’t have a lot of money, bit she somehow made due for all of the kids. She was practical and no nonsense, pragmatic and loving. I learned a lot about how to stretch a dollar to make struggle meals from her. Full bellies and full hearts.\nWhen I was a new mother, she was my lifeline. I knew nothing about babies and she patiently taught me what I needed to know. She talked me through my son’s first bath over the telephone, I was exhausted from lack of sleep because my baby had severe colic. And, Ms S would gather him into her arms and rock him in her special creaky rocking chair. And, he fell into a blissful and untroubled sleep. She was truly a baby whisperer. \nHer heart and soul were devoted to children who were victims of horrific abuse. She took in a toddler who had spent much of his young life living in a cage. He was non verbal and unable to walk. After several years, she brought him up to nearly his age level. He was walking and verbal. The state stepped in and returned him to his newly “reformed” mother.\nHe was returned to Ms S a year later, with severe setbacks. She did everything that she could for this boy. Bit, when the state took him back again, she was done. Eventually, her remaining kids aged out of the system.\nAnyway, long ass story. Please forgive me for this. I’m just thinking about the little girl from this story and hoping that she lands in the lap of a Ms S in a special creaky rocking chair and comes to know comfort from a truly caring person and never has to be returned to an uncaring and abusive ”mother”.\nRIP Ms S for being the only real mom to many kids and for being a very special Grandmom to my kids . Never forgotten and always remembered.",
">\n\nCool story man. She sounds like a fantastic person",
">\n\nI swear i think i live next to this woman... Always screaming and swearing at her kids at the top of her lungs...",
">\n\nCall cps. Lived in a similar situation awhile back. I was afraid to call, wish I would be called earlier looking back at it.",
">\n\nDealt with CPS as a child growing up. They don’t care. My parents would have gone to jail had i been an animal and they were just as abusive. Especially if the child has no other family nearby to take em.",
">\n\nSounds awful for you. Im really sorry. As far as CPS goes I didn’t know what else do to, any ideas in case I find myself in a similar situation?\nNot too long after I called they moved out in the middle of the night and left their dog behind. Wish they would have left the kids wouldve adopted them too. \nHope you’re doing good now internet stranger.",
">\n\nShe obviously can't be trusted with her child, but I hope she gets the help that she clearly needs.",
">\n\nShe obviously hates the child and doesn't know how to take care of it so it should be taken and given to somebody who can take care of it and appreciate it. \nIt really makes me sick that there's people out there that struggle to get pregnant and want so desperately to have babies... And then you have this woman who decides to use her baby like a football. 🙄",
">\n\nYeah I hear kangaroos will throw their babies out to escape",
">\n\nI’m not advocating for violence, but the blunt end of a shingler’s hatchet works wonders as an attitude-correction tool.",
">\n\nThat's very Walmart of her",
">\n\ndead kid walking\nmom will get a slap on the wrist, at some point the courts will agree to a reunification plan, mom gets kid back\nmom and her boyfriend beat kid to death after starving it and abusing it for it's short miserable life",
">\n\nThat is such an extremely disgusting act to do. Baby deserves better than that.",
">\n\nSomeone is about to lose her parental rights.",
">\n\nI really wish I never clicked on this post. Not everyone is fit to be a parent.",
">\n\nThe charges aren’t severe enough. “Endangering the welfare?” A kick from an adult can kill a one year old baby…\nShe needs to go to prison for good.",
">\n\nI expect a lot of stories like this over the next decade as abortion restrictions lead to people who aren't prepared for kids to become parents.",
">\n\nCan we not link everything that and instead focus on the fact this a shitty person instead?",
">\n\nok and abortion reduces the number of shitty people having children. it is all related.",
">\n\nThere is no guarantee shitty people would go about it. They still have to want to do it during a very limited window.",
">\n\nJust pure numbers, more abortions mean at least one less shitty person having kids",
">\n\nJust read the article, I hope the baby is safe, taken out of her custody permanently, and this vile bitch is spayed like a stray dog and thrown into jail for 5-7 years. (I'm aware that won't happen) Fucking worst type of human. Disgusting and reprehensible behavior.",
">\n\nWatch the downfall of Mankind: Go to r/publicfreakout search \"WalMart\"... \"Waffle House\", \"MacDonald's\" and \"Starbucks\" will suffice also.",
">\n\nI can't be the only who thinks it's interesting as a society we have to take have qualifications for certain jobs but to be a parent.. fuck it, you don't need training at all.. seems a little fucked up",
">\n\nThere are evil assholes in this thread saying that people have a god-given right to have, kill, barbecue and eat their own children. They claim it's \"freedom from state over-reach\", but it means they want to kill, barbecue and eat children with zero consequences. Child abuse is common in this world. My own father beat me until I put him in the hospital and then never saw him again. These assholes want to make sure fathers are allowed to beat their children freely, and that any child who defends themself is punished. Fuck those people!\nThe state has a role in protecting children. And anyone against it is an enemy of decency.",
">\n\nPaterson, NJ. No surprise....",
">\n\nThe surprise is it’s not Florida.",
">\n\nAnother baby mama loses her child. Don't worry; she'll make more.",
">\n\nThat is not a mom, this is a piece of trash that let some guy rawdog her.",
">\n\nSpay her and lock her up for ten years. In no way should she ever be in a position to bring more children into the world to abuse. \nWhat hasn't been caught on camera in this woman's home? What emotional damage has already been inflicted prior that might not be able to be fixed?",
">\n\nLike the quokka, shoplifters are known to throw their offspring down to bait predators and increase the chances of escape.",
">\n\nPrison and throw away the key",
">\n\nBruh that’s a rough 23 😬",
">\n\nSo a typical Walmart outing",
">\n\nI think this is the appropriate use of the phrase \"that woman is a cunt\".",
">\n\nLast minute effort to clinch the Mother of the Year Award?",
">\n\nThe Quokka defense rarely works for humans.",
">\n\nSo… another normal day at any American Walmart then?",
">\n\nFrankly the supreme court really messed us all up. But what we have here is someone that is obviously to unstable to be a parent.",
">\n\nWould be really hard to watch this and not punch that cunt in the face repeatedly. Maybe a kick or two as well.",
">\n\nIf she’s willing to do that in public, I can’t even fathom what she would do to that child at home.",
">\n\nThey call this a Soccer mom.",
">\n\nThrow her trashy ass in jail",
">\n\nI read stuff like this and realize some people aren’t worthy of living. Hope the kid turns out alright because she’s not worthy of anything.",
">\n\nThe cycle continues for that family. Always remember you can be the one to change things but it takes patience which I think is something that should be stressed a lot more but isn't. If you don't have patience then you won't be able to deal with a screaming 1-year-old. It's that simple.",
">\n\n\"Kick the baby!\" - Kyle Broflovski",
">\n\nThis is a horrifically damaged person. In no way do I excuse her abuse of this poor little baby, though.",
">\n\nYes, yes, bad mother, poor child and all that. Clearly this lady has some issues and very likely needs professional psychiatric help. Or maybe she's just a narcissistic, entitled asshole. Either way she should've never been saddled with a child.",
">\n\ni wish you weren't being downvoted, because obviously this woman has some issues, and the age of the child indicates that it could be postpartum depression, which is not nothing. or, like you said, she could just be an asshole. \nscreaming and punching a wall because a baby was crying? that is definitely not normal. obviously it's horrible that the baby has been abused, and thankfully it is physically okay from this assault, but the mom obviously needs help.",
">\n\nYeah, people in this thread are clamoring for her to be thrown in jail but that really isnt gonna solve anything (shed probably come out worse).\nShes clearly not all there.",
">\n\nand i'm getting downvoted for saying she needs help, lol what.",
">\n\nYou're being down voted for worrying about the wrong person. The child is the one that needs compassion. The abusers needs are less important.",
">\n\nMost Walmart sentence ever.",
">\n\nI obviously know nothing of this woman and her history but uncharacteristic rage and unfortunately in some cases violent outbursts can be a sign of postpartum depression. Hormones can do crazy things.",
">\n\nYou and her both need to walk into traffic",
">\n\nSeems like a solid way to deal with mental illness? Postpartum depression is a very real thing and can make people act in uncharacteristic ways.",
">\n\nQueue up the Janes Addiction",
">\n\nSay what you mean.",
">\n\nIt’s right there ^",
">\n\nI guess you got too embarrassed or downvoted and deleted it right after that comment eh?",
">\n\nNope. It’s all right there still.",
">\n\nIt says deleted clear as day, but alright. I’ll just look up the edits because I’m curious."
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This isn’t fucking news Jesus Christ
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"That website is giving my browser cancer so here's the text for anyone else who can't get it to load properly.\n\nTETERBORO — A mother kicked her baby daughter and sent the child careening across the floor after shoplifting from Walmart, according to police.\nJamira McDaniel, 23, of Paterson, was caught stealing at the supercenter in Teterboro by Walmart theft protection personnel on Tuesday, Moonachie Police Lt. Jeff Napolitano confirmed to New Jersey 101.5.\nMcDaniel was with her 1-year-old girl and the child's aunt.\nAfter she was taken to the store's security office, McDaniel placed the baby girl on the ground and kicked her in the back, Napolitano said. The toddler was sent across the floor and into the security office.\nAccording to Napolitano, the incident was caught on security cameras. He said video of the kick was turned over to Bergen County court but was not yet publicly available.\nThe theft protection workers then picked up the inconsolable child, handed her to McDaniel's sister, and called the police.\n\"McDaniel, upset by the girl who was now screaming and crying while being held by her aunt, began punching walls and yelling for the baby to stop crying,\" Napolitano explained. \"McDaniel also grabbed the baby and began to shake her while she was being held by her aunt.\"\nMoonachie cops soon arrived at the store and called an ambulance to evaluate the baby. Fortunately, first responders found the child was uninjured.\nThe mother is charged with endangering the welfare of a child, assault, shoplifting, and criminal mischief, according to Napolitano.\nMcDaniel was sent to Bergen County jail, which is where she remains as of Wednesday evening. The aunt was not charged and the child was given to family members.\n\nGod help that poor baby.",
">\n\nSome people really need to not have kids",
">\n\nMore people should have abortions. If someone cannot or doesn’t want to raise a child abortion should be the first choice. Bringing children into this world only for them to suffer is awful. So many wind up in the foster system and no one adopts them then they age out. Then you have adults who have no family or resources and continue to suffer. \nAnytime someone says abortion is bad and they should just birth the child and give it up for adoption should be required to take one of those children into their homes. \nCausing unwavering suffering of another living being is immoral.",
">\n\nI absolutely agree but there is also a large subset of people that WANT to have kids but are still completely awful parents.",
">\n\nHence, the reverse abortion! A simple way to solve these issues",
">\n\nWhat's a reverse abortion? Shoving the child back up the coochie and into the uterus?? \nMaybe I'm just super dumb today and drank too much or too little coffee, but I really don't know what a reverse abortion would be. \nAm I going to feel really stupid when you tell me? If so, that's ok, just tell me anyway, I'm used to feeling stupid.",
">\n\nInstead of aborting babies, abort the parents",
">\n\nCan you legally abort a baby after 18 years?",
">\n\nSometimes I ask my mom if she would feel comfortable having a 124th trimester abortion. My brother is not working out.",
">\n\nReading that article, it sounds like being a shoplifter is the best thing about her.",
">\n\nWhen my kids were little I found it almost impossible to read articles like this. They would stick with me for days or weeks. \nI really hope that baby ends up in a loving home because game fucking over for mom.",
">\n\nI have a 1½‐year-old and reading this makes me want to cry.",
">\n\nSame. I just can’t read anything like this, it’s so horrifying. And I just hold my kiddo and cry and then be sad I can’t love all the babies and protect them all. \nKids are just so freaking pure and good and they just want to be loved and safe like that’s it man. How could you do something to something so innocent?",
">\n\nReading your comment, in contrast to OP’s horror inducing title, legit just brought a tear to my eye. Makes me hug my kiddos extra just thinking about it!",
">\n\nIf she kicks and shakes the baby in public, I can’t imagine what she does to that poor child at home. Disgusting woman.",
">\n\nAbortion should be legal so we can make sure this woman never existed.",
">\n\nWe should be able to abort the mother in this instance.",
">\n\nThat’s… that’s what he just inferred",
">\n\nDoesn't hurt to drive the point home",
">\n\nYou see horrible parenting in a walmart any day, but this is is, I think, the worst I've heard of. I hope she doesn't get that poor kid back.",
">\n\nUnfortunately, in this circumstance, it's better for her to do this shit in public and get caught so the baby (and other possible kids) gets taken away. If that's what she does in public, imagine what she does behind closed doors.",
">\n\nHoly fuck, Adblock on Firefox shows 450+ blocked on that website alone???",
">\n\nNow do you see why everyone on reddit is losing their mind over the news that Chrome is preventing ad block.\nIf you haven't switched to Firefox or something else, you might want to start test driving a few browsers because good LORD you have no idea how bad things are without ad block.",
">\n\nPiece of trash. Even reading the article boils my blood.",
">\n\nDefinitely r/iamatotalpieceofshit material",
">\n\nThank god she showed her true abusive colours while on camera and in front of everyone. Now the kid will be protected from her and serious injury/trauma prevented.",
">\n\nI hope this baby finds her way to a loving and caring mother, and I hope this lady gets the mental help she needs.",
">\n\nYea and maybe my mom will quit drinking and my dad will come home.",
">\n\nHope is sometimes all we have",
">\n\nMy best friend’s mom was a foster parent for many years. She was well known by DFACS for taking in their most difficult cases, children of severe abuse, often arriving in the middle of the night with nothing more than the clothes on their backs. She didn’t have a lot of money, bit she somehow made due for all of the kids. She was practical and no nonsense, pragmatic and loving. I learned a lot about how to stretch a dollar to make struggle meals from her. Full bellies and full hearts.\nWhen I was a new mother, she was my lifeline. I knew nothing about babies and she patiently taught me what I needed to know. She talked me through my son’s first bath over the telephone, I was exhausted from lack of sleep because my baby had severe colic. And, Ms S would gather him into her arms and rock him in her special creaky rocking chair. And, he fell into a blissful and untroubled sleep. She was truly a baby whisperer. \nHer heart and soul were devoted to children who were victims of horrific abuse. She took in a toddler who had spent much of his young life living in a cage. He was non verbal and unable to walk. After several years, she brought him up to nearly his age level. He was walking and verbal. The state stepped in and returned him to his newly “reformed” mother.\nHe was returned to Ms S a year later, with severe setbacks. She did everything that she could for this boy. Bit, when the state took him back again, she was done. Eventually, her remaining kids aged out of the system.\nAnyway, long ass story. Please forgive me for this. I’m just thinking about the little girl from this story and hoping that she lands in the lap of a Ms S in a special creaky rocking chair and comes to know comfort from a truly caring person and never has to be returned to an uncaring and abusive ”mother”.\nRIP Ms S for being the only real mom to many kids and for being a very special Grandmom to my kids . Never forgotten and always remembered.",
">\n\nCool story man. She sounds like a fantastic person",
">\n\nI swear i think i live next to this woman... Always screaming and swearing at her kids at the top of her lungs...",
">\n\nCall cps. Lived in a similar situation awhile back. I was afraid to call, wish I would be called earlier looking back at it.",
">\n\nDealt with CPS as a child growing up. They don’t care. My parents would have gone to jail had i been an animal and they were just as abusive. Especially if the child has no other family nearby to take em.",
">\n\nSounds awful for you. Im really sorry. As far as CPS goes I didn’t know what else do to, any ideas in case I find myself in a similar situation?\nNot too long after I called they moved out in the middle of the night and left their dog behind. Wish they would have left the kids wouldve adopted them too. \nHope you’re doing good now internet stranger.",
">\n\nShe obviously can't be trusted with her child, but I hope she gets the help that she clearly needs.",
">\n\nShe obviously hates the child and doesn't know how to take care of it so it should be taken and given to somebody who can take care of it and appreciate it. \nIt really makes me sick that there's people out there that struggle to get pregnant and want so desperately to have babies... And then you have this woman who decides to use her baby like a football. 🙄",
">\n\nYeah I hear kangaroos will throw their babies out to escape",
">\n\nI’m not advocating for violence, but the blunt end of a shingler’s hatchet works wonders as an attitude-correction tool.",
">\n\nThat's very Walmart of her",
">\n\ndead kid walking\nmom will get a slap on the wrist, at some point the courts will agree to a reunification plan, mom gets kid back\nmom and her boyfriend beat kid to death after starving it and abusing it for it's short miserable life",
">\n\nThat is such an extremely disgusting act to do. Baby deserves better than that.",
">\n\nSomeone is about to lose her parental rights.",
">\n\nI really wish I never clicked on this post. Not everyone is fit to be a parent.",
">\n\nThe charges aren’t severe enough. “Endangering the welfare?” A kick from an adult can kill a one year old baby…\nShe needs to go to prison for good.",
">\n\nI expect a lot of stories like this over the next decade as abortion restrictions lead to people who aren't prepared for kids to become parents.",
">\n\nCan we not link everything that and instead focus on the fact this a shitty person instead?",
">\n\nok and abortion reduces the number of shitty people having children. it is all related.",
">\n\nThere is no guarantee shitty people would go about it. They still have to want to do it during a very limited window.",
">\n\nJust pure numbers, more abortions mean at least one less shitty person having kids",
">\n\nJust read the article, I hope the baby is safe, taken out of her custody permanently, and this vile bitch is spayed like a stray dog and thrown into jail for 5-7 years. (I'm aware that won't happen) Fucking worst type of human. Disgusting and reprehensible behavior.",
">\n\nWatch the downfall of Mankind: Go to r/publicfreakout search \"WalMart\"... \"Waffle House\", \"MacDonald's\" and \"Starbucks\" will suffice also.",
">\n\nI can't be the only who thinks it's interesting as a society we have to take have qualifications for certain jobs but to be a parent.. fuck it, you don't need training at all.. seems a little fucked up",
">\n\nThere are evil assholes in this thread saying that people have a god-given right to have, kill, barbecue and eat their own children. They claim it's \"freedom from state over-reach\", but it means they want to kill, barbecue and eat children with zero consequences. Child abuse is common in this world. My own father beat me until I put him in the hospital and then never saw him again. These assholes want to make sure fathers are allowed to beat their children freely, and that any child who defends themself is punished. Fuck those people!\nThe state has a role in protecting children. And anyone against it is an enemy of decency.",
">\n\nPaterson, NJ. No surprise....",
">\n\nThe surprise is it’s not Florida.",
">\n\nAnother baby mama loses her child. Don't worry; she'll make more.",
">\n\nThat is not a mom, this is a piece of trash that let some guy rawdog her.",
">\n\nSpay her and lock her up for ten years. In no way should she ever be in a position to bring more children into the world to abuse. \nWhat hasn't been caught on camera in this woman's home? What emotional damage has already been inflicted prior that might not be able to be fixed?",
">\n\nLike the quokka, shoplifters are known to throw their offspring down to bait predators and increase the chances of escape.",
">\n\nPrison and throw away the key",
">\n\nBruh that’s a rough 23 😬",
">\n\nSo a typical Walmart outing",
">\n\nI think this is the appropriate use of the phrase \"that woman is a cunt\".",
">\n\nLast minute effort to clinch the Mother of the Year Award?",
">\n\nThe Quokka defense rarely works for humans.",
">\n\nSo… another normal day at any American Walmart then?",
">\n\nFrankly the supreme court really messed us all up. But what we have here is someone that is obviously to unstable to be a parent.",
">\n\nWould be really hard to watch this and not punch that cunt in the face repeatedly. Maybe a kick or two as well.",
">\n\nIf she’s willing to do that in public, I can’t even fathom what she would do to that child at home.",
">\n\nThey call this a Soccer mom.",
">\n\nThrow her trashy ass in jail",
">\n\nI read stuff like this and realize some people aren’t worthy of living. Hope the kid turns out alright because she’s not worthy of anything.",
">\n\nThe cycle continues for that family. Always remember you can be the one to change things but it takes patience which I think is something that should be stressed a lot more but isn't. If you don't have patience then you won't be able to deal with a screaming 1-year-old. It's that simple.",
">\n\n\"Kick the baby!\" - Kyle Broflovski",
">\n\nThis is a horrifically damaged person. In no way do I excuse her abuse of this poor little baby, though.",
">\n\nYes, yes, bad mother, poor child and all that. Clearly this lady has some issues and very likely needs professional psychiatric help. Or maybe she's just a narcissistic, entitled asshole. Either way she should've never been saddled with a child.",
">\n\ni wish you weren't being downvoted, because obviously this woman has some issues, and the age of the child indicates that it could be postpartum depression, which is not nothing. or, like you said, she could just be an asshole. \nscreaming and punching a wall because a baby was crying? that is definitely not normal. obviously it's horrible that the baby has been abused, and thankfully it is physically okay from this assault, but the mom obviously needs help.",
">\n\nYeah, people in this thread are clamoring for her to be thrown in jail but that really isnt gonna solve anything (shed probably come out worse).\nShes clearly not all there.",
">\n\nand i'm getting downvoted for saying she needs help, lol what.",
">\n\nYou're being down voted for worrying about the wrong person. The child is the one that needs compassion. The abusers needs are less important.",
">\n\nMost Walmart sentence ever.",
">\n\nI obviously know nothing of this woman and her history but uncharacteristic rage and unfortunately in some cases violent outbursts can be a sign of postpartum depression. Hormones can do crazy things.",
">\n\nYou and her both need to walk into traffic",
">\n\nSeems like a solid way to deal with mental illness? Postpartum depression is a very real thing and can make people act in uncharacteristic ways.",
">\n\nQueue up the Janes Addiction",
">\n\nSay what you mean.",
">\n\nIt’s right there ^",
">\n\nI guess you got too embarrassed or downvoted and deleted it right after that comment eh?",
">\n\nNope. It’s all right there still.",
">\n\nIt says deleted clear as day, but alright. I’ll just look up the edits because I’m curious.",
">\n\nNothing was deleted by me and still shows so 🤷🏻♂️"
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Am I the only one whose second thought after “how can you do that to your baby” was “why is this article especially the headline putting shoplifting on the same level with doing that to your baby?”
I’m not one of those people who thinks shoplifting is cool or whatever but…this is some really blatant “arson, murder, and jaywalking” stuff.
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"That website is giving my browser cancer so here's the text for anyone else who can't get it to load properly.\n\nTETERBORO — A mother kicked her baby daughter and sent the child careening across the floor after shoplifting from Walmart, according to police.\nJamira McDaniel, 23, of Paterson, was caught stealing at the supercenter in Teterboro by Walmart theft protection personnel on Tuesday, Moonachie Police Lt. Jeff Napolitano confirmed to New Jersey 101.5.\nMcDaniel was with her 1-year-old girl and the child's aunt.\nAfter she was taken to the store's security office, McDaniel placed the baby girl on the ground and kicked her in the back, Napolitano said. The toddler was sent across the floor and into the security office.\nAccording to Napolitano, the incident was caught on security cameras. He said video of the kick was turned over to Bergen County court but was not yet publicly available.\nThe theft protection workers then picked up the inconsolable child, handed her to McDaniel's sister, and called the police.\n\"McDaniel, upset by the girl who was now screaming and crying while being held by her aunt, began punching walls and yelling for the baby to stop crying,\" Napolitano explained. \"McDaniel also grabbed the baby and began to shake her while she was being held by her aunt.\"\nMoonachie cops soon arrived at the store and called an ambulance to evaluate the baby. Fortunately, first responders found the child was uninjured.\nThe mother is charged with endangering the welfare of a child, assault, shoplifting, and criminal mischief, according to Napolitano.\nMcDaniel was sent to Bergen County jail, which is where she remains as of Wednesday evening. The aunt was not charged and the child was given to family members.\n\nGod help that poor baby.",
">\n\nSome people really need to not have kids",
">\n\nMore people should have abortions. If someone cannot or doesn’t want to raise a child abortion should be the first choice. Bringing children into this world only for them to suffer is awful. So many wind up in the foster system and no one adopts them then they age out. Then you have adults who have no family or resources and continue to suffer. \nAnytime someone says abortion is bad and they should just birth the child and give it up for adoption should be required to take one of those children into their homes. \nCausing unwavering suffering of another living being is immoral.",
">\n\nI absolutely agree but there is also a large subset of people that WANT to have kids but are still completely awful parents.",
">\n\nHence, the reverse abortion! A simple way to solve these issues",
">\n\nWhat's a reverse abortion? Shoving the child back up the coochie and into the uterus?? \nMaybe I'm just super dumb today and drank too much or too little coffee, but I really don't know what a reverse abortion would be. \nAm I going to feel really stupid when you tell me? If so, that's ok, just tell me anyway, I'm used to feeling stupid.",
">\n\nInstead of aborting babies, abort the parents",
">\n\nCan you legally abort a baby after 18 years?",
">\n\nSometimes I ask my mom if she would feel comfortable having a 124th trimester abortion. My brother is not working out.",
">\n\nReading that article, it sounds like being a shoplifter is the best thing about her.",
">\n\nWhen my kids were little I found it almost impossible to read articles like this. They would stick with me for days or weeks. \nI really hope that baby ends up in a loving home because game fucking over for mom.",
">\n\nI have a 1½‐year-old and reading this makes me want to cry.",
">\n\nSame. I just can’t read anything like this, it’s so horrifying. And I just hold my kiddo and cry and then be sad I can’t love all the babies and protect them all. \nKids are just so freaking pure and good and they just want to be loved and safe like that’s it man. How could you do something to something so innocent?",
">\n\nReading your comment, in contrast to OP’s horror inducing title, legit just brought a tear to my eye. Makes me hug my kiddos extra just thinking about it!",
">\n\nIf she kicks and shakes the baby in public, I can’t imagine what she does to that poor child at home. Disgusting woman.",
">\n\nAbortion should be legal so we can make sure this woman never existed.",
">\n\nWe should be able to abort the mother in this instance.",
">\n\nThat’s… that’s what he just inferred",
">\n\nDoesn't hurt to drive the point home",
">\n\nYou see horrible parenting in a walmart any day, but this is is, I think, the worst I've heard of. I hope she doesn't get that poor kid back.",
">\n\nUnfortunately, in this circumstance, it's better for her to do this shit in public and get caught so the baby (and other possible kids) gets taken away. If that's what she does in public, imagine what she does behind closed doors.",
">\n\nHoly fuck, Adblock on Firefox shows 450+ blocked on that website alone???",
">\n\nNow do you see why everyone on reddit is losing their mind over the news that Chrome is preventing ad block.\nIf you haven't switched to Firefox or something else, you might want to start test driving a few browsers because good LORD you have no idea how bad things are without ad block.",
">\n\nPiece of trash. Even reading the article boils my blood.",
">\n\nDefinitely r/iamatotalpieceofshit material",
">\n\nThank god she showed her true abusive colours while on camera and in front of everyone. Now the kid will be protected from her and serious injury/trauma prevented.",
">\n\nI hope this baby finds her way to a loving and caring mother, and I hope this lady gets the mental help she needs.",
">\n\nYea and maybe my mom will quit drinking and my dad will come home.",
">\n\nHope is sometimes all we have",
">\n\nMy best friend’s mom was a foster parent for many years. She was well known by DFACS for taking in their most difficult cases, children of severe abuse, often arriving in the middle of the night with nothing more than the clothes on their backs. She didn’t have a lot of money, bit she somehow made due for all of the kids. She was practical and no nonsense, pragmatic and loving. I learned a lot about how to stretch a dollar to make struggle meals from her. Full bellies and full hearts.\nWhen I was a new mother, she was my lifeline. I knew nothing about babies and she patiently taught me what I needed to know. She talked me through my son’s first bath over the telephone, I was exhausted from lack of sleep because my baby had severe colic. And, Ms S would gather him into her arms and rock him in her special creaky rocking chair. And, he fell into a blissful and untroubled sleep. She was truly a baby whisperer. \nHer heart and soul were devoted to children who were victims of horrific abuse. She took in a toddler who had spent much of his young life living in a cage. He was non verbal and unable to walk. After several years, she brought him up to nearly his age level. He was walking and verbal. The state stepped in and returned him to his newly “reformed” mother.\nHe was returned to Ms S a year later, with severe setbacks. She did everything that she could for this boy. Bit, when the state took him back again, she was done. Eventually, her remaining kids aged out of the system.\nAnyway, long ass story. Please forgive me for this. I’m just thinking about the little girl from this story and hoping that she lands in the lap of a Ms S in a special creaky rocking chair and comes to know comfort from a truly caring person and never has to be returned to an uncaring and abusive ”mother”.\nRIP Ms S for being the only real mom to many kids and for being a very special Grandmom to my kids . Never forgotten and always remembered.",
">\n\nCool story man. She sounds like a fantastic person",
">\n\nI swear i think i live next to this woman... Always screaming and swearing at her kids at the top of her lungs...",
">\n\nCall cps. Lived in a similar situation awhile back. I was afraid to call, wish I would be called earlier looking back at it.",
">\n\nDealt with CPS as a child growing up. They don’t care. My parents would have gone to jail had i been an animal and they were just as abusive. Especially if the child has no other family nearby to take em.",
">\n\nSounds awful for you. Im really sorry. As far as CPS goes I didn’t know what else do to, any ideas in case I find myself in a similar situation?\nNot too long after I called they moved out in the middle of the night and left their dog behind. Wish they would have left the kids wouldve adopted them too. \nHope you’re doing good now internet stranger.",
">\n\nShe obviously can't be trusted with her child, but I hope she gets the help that she clearly needs.",
">\n\nShe obviously hates the child and doesn't know how to take care of it so it should be taken and given to somebody who can take care of it and appreciate it. \nIt really makes me sick that there's people out there that struggle to get pregnant and want so desperately to have babies... And then you have this woman who decides to use her baby like a football. 🙄",
">\n\nYeah I hear kangaroos will throw their babies out to escape",
">\n\nI’m not advocating for violence, but the blunt end of a shingler’s hatchet works wonders as an attitude-correction tool.",
">\n\nThat's very Walmart of her",
">\n\ndead kid walking\nmom will get a slap on the wrist, at some point the courts will agree to a reunification plan, mom gets kid back\nmom and her boyfriend beat kid to death after starving it and abusing it for it's short miserable life",
">\n\nThat is such an extremely disgusting act to do. Baby deserves better than that.",
">\n\nSomeone is about to lose her parental rights.",
">\n\nI really wish I never clicked on this post. Not everyone is fit to be a parent.",
">\n\nThe charges aren’t severe enough. “Endangering the welfare?” A kick from an adult can kill a one year old baby…\nShe needs to go to prison for good.",
">\n\nI expect a lot of stories like this over the next decade as abortion restrictions lead to people who aren't prepared for kids to become parents.",
">\n\nCan we not link everything that and instead focus on the fact this a shitty person instead?",
">\n\nok and abortion reduces the number of shitty people having children. it is all related.",
">\n\nThere is no guarantee shitty people would go about it. They still have to want to do it during a very limited window.",
">\n\nJust pure numbers, more abortions mean at least one less shitty person having kids",
">\n\nJust read the article, I hope the baby is safe, taken out of her custody permanently, and this vile bitch is spayed like a stray dog and thrown into jail for 5-7 years. (I'm aware that won't happen) Fucking worst type of human. Disgusting and reprehensible behavior.",
">\n\nWatch the downfall of Mankind: Go to r/publicfreakout search \"WalMart\"... \"Waffle House\", \"MacDonald's\" and \"Starbucks\" will suffice also.",
">\n\nI can't be the only who thinks it's interesting as a society we have to take have qualifications for certain jobs but to be a parent.. fuck it, you don't need training at all.. seems a little fucked up",
">\n\nThere are evil assholes in this thread saying that people have a god-given right to have, kill, barbecue and eat their own children. They claim it's \"freedom from state over-reach\", but it means they want to kill, barbecue and eat children with zero consequences. Child abuse is common in this world. My own father beat me until I put him in the hospital and then never saw him again. These assholes want to make sure fathers are allowed to beat their children freely, and that any child who defends themself is punished. Fuck those people!\nThe state has a role in protecting children. And anyone against it is an enemy of decency.",
">\n\nPaterson, NJ. No surprise....",
">\n\nThe surprise is it’s not Florida.",
">\n\nAnother baby mama loses her child. Don't worry; she'll make more.",
">\n\nThat is not a mom, this is a piece of trash that let some guy rawdog her.",
">\n\nSpay her and lock her up for ten years. In no way should she ever be in a position to bring more children into the world to abuse. \nWhat hasn't been caught on camera in this woman's home? What emotional damage has already been inflicted prior that might not be able to be fixed?",
">\n\nLike the quokka, shoplifters are known to throw their offspring down to bait predators and increase the chances of escape.",
">\n\nPrison and throw away the key",
">\n\nBruh that’s a rough 23 😬",
">\n\nSo a typical Walmart outing",
">\n\nI think this is the appropriate use of the phrase \"that woman is a cunt\".",
">\n\nLast minute effort to clinch the Mother of the Year Award?",
">\n\nThe Quokka defense rarely works for humans.",
">\n\nSo… another normal day at any American Walmart then?",
">\n\nFrankly the supreme court really messed us all up. But what we have here is someone that is obviously to unstable to be a parent.",
">\n\nWould be really hard to watch this and not punch that cunt in the face repeatedly. Maybe a kick or two as well.",
">\n\nIf she’s willing to do that in public, I can’t even fathom what she would do to that child at home.",
">\n\nThey call this a Soccer mom.",
">\n\nThrow her trashy ass in jail",
">\n\nI read stuff like this and realize some people aren’t worthy of living. Hope the kid turns out alright because she’s not worthy of anything.",
">\n\nThe cycle continues for that family. Always remember you can be the one to change things but it takes patience which I think is something that should be stressed a lot more but isn't. If you don't have patience then you won't be able to deal with a screaming 1-year-old. It's that simple.",
">\n\n\"Kick the baby!\" - Kyle Broflovski",
">\n\nThis is a horrifically damaged person. In no way do I excuse her abuse of this poor little baby, though.",
">\n\nYes, yes, bad mother, poor child and all that. Clearly this lady has some issues and very likely needs professional psychiatric help. Or maybe she's just a narcissistic, entitled asshole. Either way she should've never been saddled with a child.",
">\n\ni wish you weren't being downvoted, because obviously this woman has some issues, and the age of the child indicates that it could be postpartum depression, which is not nothing. or, like you said, she could just be an asshole. \nscreaming and punching a wall because a baby was crying? that is definitely not normal. obviously it's horrible that the baby has been abused, and thankfully it is physically okay from this assault, but the mom obviously needs help.",
">\n\nYeah, people in this thread are clamoring for her to be thrown in jail but that really isnt gonna solve anything (shed probably come out worse).\nShes clearly not all there.",
">\n\nand i'm getting downvoted for saying she needs help, lol what.",
">\n\nYou're being down voted for worrying about the wrong person. The child is the one that needs compassion. The abusers needs are less important.",
">\n\nMost Walmart sentence ever.",
">\n\nI obviously know nothing of this woman and her history but uncharacteristic rage and unfortunately in some cases violent outbursts can be a sign of postpartum depression. Hormones can do crazy things.",
">\n\nYou and her both need to walk into traffic",
">\n\nSeems like a solid way to deal with mental illness? Postpartum depression is a very real thing and can make people act in uncharacteristic ways.",
">\n\nQueue up the Janes Addiction",
">\n\nSay what you mean.",
">\n\nIt’s right there ^",
">\n\nI guess you got too embarrassed or downvoted and deleted it right after that comment eh?",
">\n\nNope. It’s all right there still.",
">\n\nIt says deleted clear as day, but alright. I’ll just look up the edits because I’m curious.",
">\n\nNothing was deleted by me and still shows so 🤷🏻♂️",
">\n\nThis isn’t fucking news Jesus Christ"
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How is the headline putting the crimes on the same level? It's literally just the events that happened, a mom who was shoplifting kicked her baby after being caught. The headline is not trying to equate assaulting a baby with shoplifting.
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"That website is giving my browser cancer so here's the text for anyone else who can't get it to load properly.\n\nTETERBORO — A mother kicked her baby daughter and sent the child careening across the floor after shoplifting from Walmart, according to police.\nJamira McDaniel, 23, of Paterson, was caught stealing at the supercenter in Teterboro by Walmart theft protection personnel on Tuesday, Moonachie Police Lt. Jeff Napolitano confirmed to New Jersey 101.5.\nMcDaniel was with her 1-year-old girl and the child's aunt.\nAfter she was taken to the store's security office, McDaniel placed the baby girl on the ground and kicked her in the back, Napolitano said. The toddler was sent across the floor and into the security office.\nAccording to Napolitano, the incident was caught on security cameras. He said video of the kick was turned over to Bergen County court but was not yet publicly available.\nThe theft protection workers then picked up the inconsolable child, handed her to McDaniel's sister, and called the police.\n\"McDaniel, upset by the girl who was now screaming and crying while being held by her aunt, began punching walls and yelling for the baby to stop crying,\" Napolitano explained. \"McDaniel also grabbed the baby and began to shake her while she was being held by her aunt.\"\nMoonachie cops soon arrived at the store and called an ambulance to evaluate the baby. Fortunately, first responders found the child was uninjured.\nThe mother is charged with endangering the welfare of a child, assault, shoplifting, and criminal mischief, according to Napolitano.\nMcDaniel was sent to Bergen County jail, which is where she remains as of Wednesday evening. The aunt was not charged and the child was given to family members.\n\nGod help that poor baby.",
">\n\nSome people really need to not have kids",
">\n\nMore people should have abortions. If someone cannot or doesn’t want to raise a child abortion should be the first choice. Bringing children into this world only for them to suffer is awful. So many wind up in the foster system and no one adopts them then they age out. Then you have adults who have no family or resources and continue to suffer. \nAnytime someone says abortion is bad and they should just birth the child and give it up for adoption should be required to take one of those children into their homes. \nCausing unwavering suffering of another living being is immoral.",
">\n\nI absolutely agree but there is also a large subset of people that WANT to have kids but are still completely awful parents.",
">\n\nHence, the reverse abortion! A simple way to solve these issues",
">\n\nWhat's a reverse abortion? Shoving the child back up the coochie and into the uterus?? \nMaybe I'm just super dumb today and drank too much or too little coffee, but I really don't know what a reverse abortion would be. \nAm I going to feel really stupid when you tell me? If so, that's ok, just tell me anyway, I'm used to feeling stupid.",
">\n\nInstead of aborting babies, abort the parents",
">\n\nCan you legally abort a baby after 18 years?",
">\n\nSometimes I ask my mom if she would feel comfortable having a 124th trimester abortion. My brother is not working out.",
">\n\nReading that article, it sounds like being a shoplifter is the best thing about her.",
">\n\nWhen my kids were little I found it almost impossible to read articles like this. They would stick with me for days or weeks. \nI really hope that baby ends up in a loving home because game fucking over for mom.",
">\n\nI have a 1½‐year-old and reading this makes me want to cry.",
">\n\nSame. I just can’t read anything like this, it’s so horrifying. And I just hold my kiddo and cry and then be sad I can’t love all the babies and protect them all. \nKids are just so freaking pure and good and they just want to be loved and safe like that’s it man. How could you do something to something so innocent?",
">\n\nReading your comment, in contrast to OP’s horror inducing title, legit just brought a tear to my eye. Makes me hug my kiddos extra just thinking about it!",
">\n\nIf she kicks and shakes the baby in public, I can’t imagine what she does to that poor child at home. Disgusting woman.",
">\n\nAbortion should be legal so we can make sure this woman never existed.",
">\n\nWe should be able to abort the mother in this instance.",
">\n\nThat’s… that’s what he just inferred",
">\n\nDoesn't hurt to drive the point home",
">\n\nYou see horrible parenting in a walmart any day, but this is is, I think, the worst I've heard of. I hope she doesn't get that poor kid back.",
">\n\nUnfortunately, in this circumstance, it's better for her to do this shit in public and get caught so the baby (and other possible kids) gets taken away. If that's what she does in public, imagine what she does behind closed doors.",
">\n\nHoly fuck, Adblock on Firefox shows 450+ blocked on that website alone???",
">\n\nNow do you see why everyone on reddit is losing their mind over the news that Chrome is preventing ad block.\nIf you haven't switched to Firefox or something else, you might want to start test driving a few browsers because good LORD you have no idea how bad things are without ad block.",
">\n\nPiece of trash. Even reading the article boils my blood.",
">\n\nDefinitely r/iamatotalpieceofshit material",
">\n\nThank god she showed her true abusive colours while on camera and in front of everyone. Now the kid will be protected from her and serious injury/trauma prevented.",
">\n\nI hope this baby finds her way to a loving and caring mother, and I hope this lady gets the mental help she needs.",
">\n\nYea and maybe my mom will quit drinking and my dad will come home.",
">\n\nHope is sometimes all we have",
">\n\nMy best friend’s mom was a foster parent for many years. She was well known by DFACS for taking in their most difficult cases, children of severe abuse, often arriving in the middle of the night with nothing more than the clothes on their backs. She didn’t have a lot of money, bit she somehow made due for all of the kids. She was practical and no nonsense, pragmatic and loving. I learned a lot about how to stretch a dollar to make struggle meals from her. Full bellies and full hearts.\nWhen I was a new mother, she was my lifeline. I knew nothing about babies and she patiently taught me what I needed to know. She talked me through my son’s first bath over the telephone, I was exhausted from lack of sleep because my baby had severe colic. And, Ms S would gather him into her arms and rock him in her special creaky rocking chair. And, he fell into a blissful and untroubled sleep. She was truly a baby whisperer. \nHer heart and soul were devoted to children who were victims of horrific abuse. She took in a toddler who had spent much of his young life living in a cage. He was non verbal and unable to walk. After several years, she brought him up to nearly his age level. He was walking and verbal. The state stepped in and returned him to his newly “reformed” mother.\nHe was returned to Ms S a year later, with severe setbacks. She did everything that she could for this boy. Bit, when the state took him back again, she was done. Eventually, her remaining kids aged out of the system.\nAnyway, long ass story. Please forgive me for this. I’m just thinking about the little girl from this story and hoping that she lands in the lap of a Ms S in a special creaky rocking chair and comes to know comfort from a truly caring person and never has to be returned to an uncaring and abusive ”mother”.\nRIP Ms S for being the only real mom to many kids and for being a very special Grandmom to my kids . Never forgotten and always remembered.",
">\n\nCool story man. She sounds like a fantastic person",
">\n\nI swear i think i live next to this woman... Always screaming and swearing at her kids at the top of her lungs...",
">\n\nCall cps. Lived in a similar situation awhile back. I was afraid to call, wish I would be called earlier looking back at it.",
">\n\nDealt with CPS as a child growing up. They don’t care. My parents would have gone to jail had i been an animal and they were just as abusive. Especially if the child has no other family nearby to take em.",
">\n\nSounds awful for you. Im really sorry. As far as CPS goes I didn’t know what else do to, any ideas in case I find myself in a similar situation?\nNot too long after I called they moved out in the middle of the night and left their dog behind. Wish they would have left the kids wouldve adopted them too. \nHope you’re doing good now internet stranger.",
">\n\nShe obviously can't be trusted with her child, but I hope she gets the help that she clearly needs.",
">\n\nShe obviously hates the child and doesn't know how to take care of it so it should be taken and given to somebody who can take care of it and appreciate it. \nIt really makes me sick that there's people out there that struggle to get pregnant and want so desperately to have babies... And then you have this woman who decides to use her baby like a football. 🙄",
">\n\nYeah I hear kangaroos will throw their babies out to escape",
">\n\nI’m not advocating for violence, but the blunt end of a shingler’s hatchet works wonders as an attitude-correction tool.",
">\n\nThat's very Walmart of her",
">\n\ndead kid walking\nmom will get a slap on the wrist, at some point the courts will agree to a reunification plan, mom gets kid back\nmom and her boyfriend beat kid to death after starving it and abusing it for it's short miserable life",
">\n\nThat is such an extremely disgusting act to do. Baby deserves better than that.",
">\n\nSomeone is about to lose her parental rights.",
">\n\nI really wish I never clicked on this post. Not everyone is fit to be a parent.",
">\n\nThe charges aren’t severe enough. “Endangering the welfare?” A kick from an adult can kill a one year old baby…\nShe needs to go to prison for good.",
">\n\nI expect a lot of stories like this over the next decade as abortion restrictions lead to people who aren't prepared for kids to become parents.",
">\n\nCan we not link everything that and instead focus on the fact this a shitty person instead?",
">\n\nok and abortion reduces the number of shitty people having children. it is all related.",
">\n\nThere is no guarantee shitty people would go about it. They still have to want to do it during a very limited window.",
">\n\nJust pure numbers, more abortions mean at least one less shitty person having kids",
">\n\nJust read the article, I hope the baby is safe, taken out of her custody permanently, and this vile bitch is spayed like a stray dog and thrown into jail for 5-7 years. (I'm aware that won't happen) Fucking worst type of human. Disgusting and reprehensible behavior.",
">\n\nWatch the downfall of Mankind: Go to r/publicfreakout search \"WalMart\"... \"Waffle House\", \"MacDonald's\" and \"Starbucks\" will suffice also.",
">\n\nI can't be the only who thinks it's interesting as a society we have to take have qualifications for certain jobs but to be a parent.. fuck it, you don't need training at all.. seems a little fucked up",
">\n\nThere are evil assholes in this thread saying that people have a god-given right to have, kill, barbecue and eat their own children. They claim it's \"freedom from state over-reach\", but it means they want to kill, barbecue and eat children with zero consequences. Child abuse is common in this world. My own father beat me until I put him in the hospital and then never saw him again. These assholes want to make sure fathers are allowed to beat their children freely, and that any child who defends themself is punished. Fuck those people!\nThe state has a role in protecting children. And anyone against it is an enemy of decency.",
">\n\nPaterson, NJ. No surprise....",
">\n\nThe surprise is it’s not Florida.",
">\n\nAnother baby mama loses her child. Don't worry; she'll make more.",
">\n\nThat is not a mom, this is a piece of trash that let some guy rawdog her.",
">\n\nSpay her and lock her up for ten years. In no way should she ever be in a position to bring more children into the world to abuse. \nWhat hasn't been caught on camera in this woman's home? What emotional damage has already been inflicted prior that might not be able to be fixed?",
">\n\nLike the quokka, shoplifters are known to throw their offspring down to bait predators and increase the chances of escape.",
">\n\nPrison and throw away the key",
">\n\nBruh that’s a rough 23 😬",
">\n\nSo a typical Walmart outing",
">\n\nI think this is the appropriate use of the phrase \"that woman is a cunt\".",
">\n\nLast minute effort to clinch the Mother of the Year Award?",
">\n\nThe Quokka defense rarely works for humans.",
">\n\nSo… another normal day at any American Walmart then?",
">\n\nFrankly the supreme court really messed us all up. But what we have here is someone that is obviously to unstable to be a parent.",
">\n\nWould be really hard to watch this and not punch that cunt in the face repeatedly. Maybe a kick or two as well.",
">\n\nIf she’s willing to do that in public, I can’t even fathom what she would do to that child at home.",
">\n\nThey call this a Soccer mom.",
">\n\nThrow her trashy ass in jail",
">\n\nI read stuff like this and realize some people aren’t worthy of living. Hope the kid turns out alright because she’s not worthy of anything.",
">\n\nThe cycle continues for that family. Always remember you can be the one to change things but it takes patience which I think is something that should be stressed a lot more but isn't. If you don't have patience then you won't be able to deal with a screaming 1-year-old. It's that simple.",
">\n\n\"Kick the baby!\" - Kyle Broflovski",
">\n\nThis is a horrifically damaged person. In no way do I excuse her abuse of this poor little baby, though.",
">\n\nYes, yes, bad mother, poor child and all that. Clearly this lady has some issues and very likely needs professional psychiatric help. Or maybe she's just a narcissistic, entitled asshole. Either way she should've never been saddled with a child.",
">\n\ni wish you weren't being downvoted, because obviously this woman has some issues, and the age of the child indicates that it could be postpartum depression, which is not nothing. or, like you said, she could just be an asshole. \nscreaming and punching a wall because a baby was crying? that is definitely not normal. obviously it's horrible that the baby has been abused, and thankfully it is physically okay from this assault, but the mom obviously needs help.",
">\n\nYeah, people in this thread are clamoring for her to be thrown in jail but that really isnt gonna solve anything (shed probably come out worse).\nShes clearly not all there.",
">\n\nand i'm getting downvoted for saying she needs help, lol what.",
">\n\nYou're being down voted for worrying about the wrong person. The child is the one that needs compassion. The abusers needs are less important.",
">\n\nMost Walmart sentence ever.",
">\n\nI obviously know nothing of this woman and her history but uncharacteristic rage and unfortunately in some cases violent outbursts can be a sign of postpartum depression. Hormones can do crazy things.",
">\n\nYou and her both need to walk into traffic",
">\n\nSeems like a solid way to deal with mental illness? Postpartum depression is a very real thing and can make people act in uncharacteristic ways.",
">\n\nQueue up the Janes Addiction",
">\n\nSay what you mean.",
">\n\nIt’s right there ^",
">\n\nI guess you got too embarrassed or downvoted and deleted it right after that comment eh?",
">\n\nNope. It’s all right there still.",
">\n\nIt says deleted clear as day, but alright. I’ll just look up the edits because I’m curious.",
">\n\nNothing was deleted by me and still shows so 🤷🏻♂️",
">\n\nThis isn’t fucking news Jesus Christ",
">\n\nAm I the only one whose second thought after “how can you do that to your baby” was “why is this article especially the headline putting shoplifting on the same level with doing that to your baby?”\nI’m not one of those people who thinks shoplifting is cool or whatever but…this is some really blatant “arson, murder, and jaywalking” stuff."
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It mentioned the shoplifting before kicking the baby (really burying the lede there).
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"That website is giving my browser cancer so here's the text for anyone else who can't get it to load properly.\n\nTETERBORO — A mother kicked her baby daughter and sent the child careening across the floor after shoplifting from Walmart, according to police.\nJamira McDaniel, 23, of Paterson, was caught stealing at the supercenter in Teterboro by Walmart theft protection personnel on Tuesday, Moonachie Police Lt. Jeff Napolitano confirmed to New Jersey 101.5.\nMcDaniel was with her 1-year-old girl and the child's aunt.\nAfter she was taken to the store's security office, McDaniel placed the baby girl on the ground and kicked her in the back, Napolitano said. The toddler was sent across the floor and into the security office.\nAccording to Napolitano, the incident was caught on security cameras. He said video of the kick was turned over to Bergen County court but was not yet publicly available.\nThe theft protection workers then picked up the inconsolable child, handed her to McDaniel's sister, and called the police.\n\"McDaniel, upset by the girl who was now screaming and crying while being held by her aunt, began punching walls and yelling for the baby to stop crying,\" Napolitano explained. \"McDaniel also grabbed the baby and began to shake her while she was being held by her aunt.\"\nMoonachie cops soon arrived at the store and called an ambulance to evaluate the baby. Fortunately, first responders found the child was uninjured.\nThe mother is charged with endangering the welfare of a child, assault, shoplifting, and criminal mischief, according to Napolitano.\nMcDaniel was sent to Bergen County jail, which is where she remains as of Wednesday evening. The aunt was not charged and the child was given to family members.\n\nGod help that poor baby.",
">\n\nSome people really need to not have kids",
">\n\nMore people should have abortions. If someone cannot or doesn’t want to raise a child abortion should be the first choice. Bringing children into this world only for them to suffer is awful. So many wind up in the foster system and no one adopts them then they age out. Then you have adults who have no family or resources and continue to suffer. \nAnytime someone says abortion is bad and they should just birth the child and give it up for adoption should be required to take one of those children into their homes. \nCausing unwavering suffering of another living being is immoral.",
">\n\nI absolutely agree but there is also a large subset of people that WANT to have kids but are still completely awful parents.",
">\n\nHence, the reverse abortion! A simple way to solve these issues",
">\n\nWhat's a reverse abortion? Shoving the child back up the coochie and into the uterus?? \nMaybe I'm just super dumb today and drank too much or too little coffee, but I really don't know what a reverse abortion would be. \nAm I going to feel really stupid when you tell me? If so, that's ok, just tell me anyway, I'm used to feeling stupid.",
">\n\nInstead of aborting babies, abort the parents",
">\n\nCan you legally abort a baby after 18 years?",
">\n\nSometimes I ask my mom if she would feel comfortable having a 124th trimester abortion. My brother is not working out.",
">\n\nReading that article, it sounds like being a shoplifter is the best thing about her.",
">\n\nWhen my kids were little I found it almost impossible to read articles like this. They would stick with me for days or weeks. \nI really hope that baby ends up in a loving home because game fucking over for mom.",
">\n\nI have a 1½‐year-old and reading this makes me want to cry.",
">\n\nSame. I just can’t read anything like this, it’s so horrifying. And I just hold my kiddo and cry and then be sad I can’t love all the babies and protect them all. \nKids are just so freaking pure and good and they just want to be loved and safe like that’s it man. How could you do something to something so innocent?",
">\n\nReading your comment, in contrast to OP’s horror inducing title, legit just brought a tear to my eye. Makes me hug my kiddos extra just thinking about it!",
">\n\nIf she kicks and shakes the baby in public, I can’t imagine what she does to that poor child at home. Disgusting woman.",
">\n\nAbortion should be legal so we can make sure this woman never existed.",
">\n\nWe should be able to abort the mother in this instance.",
">\n\nThat’s… that’s what he just inferred",
">\n\nDoesn't hurt to drive the point home",
">\n\nYou see horrible parenting in a walmart any day, but this is is, I think, the worst I've heard of. I hope she doesn't get that poor kid back.",
">\n\nUnfortunately, in this circumstance, it's better for her to do this shit in public and get caught so the baby (and other possible kids) gets taken away. If that's what she does in public, imagine what she does behind closed doors.",
">\n\nHoly fuck, Adblock on Firefox shows 450+ blocked on that website alone???",
">\n\nNow do you see why everyone on reddit is losing their mind over the news that Chrome is preventing ad block.\nIf you haven't switched to Firefox or something else, you might want to start test driving a few browsers because good LORD you have no idea how bad things are without ad block.",
">\n\nPiece of trash. Even reading the article boils my blood.",
">\n\nDefinitely r/iamatotalpieceofshit material",
">\n\nThank god she showed her true abusive colours while on camera and in front of everyone. Now the kid will be protected from her and serious injury/trauma prevented.",
">\n\nI hope this baby finds her way to a loving and caring mother, and I hope this lady gets the mental help she needs.",
">\n\nYea and maybe my mom will quit drinking and my dad will come home.",
">\n\nHope is sometimes all we have",
">\n\nMy best friend’s mom was a foster parent for many years. She was well known by DFACS for taking in their most difficult cases, children of severe abuse, often arriving in the middle of the night with nothing more than the clothes on their backs. She didn’t have a lot of money, bit she somehow made due for all of the kids. She was practical and no nonsense, pragmatic and loving. I learned a lot about how to stretch a dollar to make struggle meals from her. Full bellies and full hearts.\nWhen I was a new mother, she was my lifeline. I knew nothing about babies and she patiently taught me what I needed to know. She talked me through my son’s first bath over the telephone, I was exhausted from lack of sleep because my baby had severe colic. And, Ms S would gather him into her arms and rock him in her special creaky rocking chair. And, he fell into a blissful and untroubled sleep. She was truly a baby whisperer. \nHer heart and soul were devoted to children who were victims of horrific abuse. She took in a toddler who had spent much of his young life living in a cage. He was non verbal and unable to walk. After several years, she brought him up to nearly his age level. He was walking and verbal. The state stepped in and returned him to his newly “reformed” mother.\nHe was returned to Ms S a year later, with severe setbacks. She did everything that she could for this boy. Bit, when the state took him back again, she was done. Eventually, her remaining kids aged out of the system.\nAnyway, long ass story. Please forgive me for this. I’m just thinking about the little girl from this story and hoping that she lands in the lap of a Ms S in a special creaky rocking chair and comes to know comfort from a truly caring person and never has to be returned to an uncaring and abusive ”mother”.\nRIP Ms S for being the only real mom to many kids and for being a very special Grandmom to my kids . Never forgotten and always remembered.",
">\n\nCool story man. She sounds like a fantastic person",
">\n\nI swear i think i live next to this woman... Always screaming and swearing at her kids at the top of her lungs...",
">\n\nCall cps. Lived in a similar situation awhile back. I was afraid to call, wish I would be called earlier looking back at it.",
">\n\nDealt with CPS as a child growing up. They don’t care. My parents would have gone to jail had i been an animal and they were just as abusive. Especially if the child has no other family nearby to take em.",
">\n\nSounds awful for you. Im really sorry. As far as CPS goes I didn’t know what else do to, any ideas in case I find myself in a similar situation?\nNot too long after I called they moved out in the middle of the night and left their dog behind. Wish they would have left the kids wouldve adopted them too. \nHope you’re doing good now internet stranger.",
">\n\nShe obviously can't be trusted with her child, but I hope she gets the help that she clearly needs.",
">\n\nShe obviously hates the child and doesn't know how to take care of it so it should be taken and given to somebody who can take care of it and appreciate it. \nIt really makes me sick that there's people out there that struggle to get pregnant and want so desperately to have babies... And then you have this woman who decides to use her baby like a football. 🙄",
">\n\nYeah I hear kangaroos will throw their babies out to escape",
">\n\nI’m not advocating for violence, but the blunt end of a shingler’s hatchet works wonders as an attitude-correction tool.",
">\n\nThat's very Walmart of her",
">\n\ndead kid walking\nmom will get a slap on the wrist, at some point the courts will agree to a reunification plan, mom gets kid back\nmom and her boyfriend beat kid to death after starving it and abusing it for it's short miserable life",
">\n\nThat is such an extremely disgusting act to do. Baby deserves better than that.",
">\n\nSomeone is about to lose her parental rights.",
">\n\nI really wish I never clicked on this post. Not everyone is fit to be a parent.",
">\n\nThe charges aren’t severe enough. “Endangering the welfare?” A kick from an adult can kill a one year old baby…\nShe needs to go to prison for good.",
">\n\nI expect a lot of stories like this over the next decade as abortion restrictions lead to people who aren't prepared for kids to become parents.",
">\n\nCan we not link everything that and instead focus on the fact this a shitty person instead?",
">\n\nok and abortion reduces the number of shitty people having children. it is all related.",
">\n\nThere is no guarantee shitty people would go about it. They still have to want to do it during a very limited window.",
">\n\nJust pure numbers, more abortions mean at least one less shitty person having kids",
">\n\nJust read the article, I hope the baby is safe, taken out of her custody permanently, and this vile bitch is spayed like a stray dog and thrown into jail for 5-7 years. (I'm aware that won't happen) Fucking worst type of human. Disgusting and reprehensible behavior.",
">\n\nWatch the downfall of Mankind: Go to r/publicfreakout search \"WalMart\"... \"Waffle House\", \"MacDonald's\" and \"Starbucks\" will suffice also.",
">\n\nI can't be the only who thinks it's interesting as a society we have to take have qualifications for certain jobs but to be a parent.. fuck it, you don't need training at all.. seems a little fucked up",
">\n\nThere are evil assholes in this thread saying that people have a god-given right to have, kill, barbecue and eat their own children. They claim it's \"freedom from state over-reach\", but it means they want to kill, barbecue and eat children with zero consequences. Child abuse is common in this world. My own father beat me until I put him in the hospital and then never saw him again. These assholes want to make sure fathers are allowed to beat their children freely, and that any child who defends themself is punished. Fuck those people!\nThe state has a role in protecting children. And anyone against it is an enemy of decency.",
">\n\nPaterson, NJ. No surprise....",
">\n\nThe surprise is it’s not Florida.",
">\n\nAnother baby mama loses her child. Don't worry; she'll make more.",
">\n\nThat is not a mom, this is a piece of trash that let some guy rawdog her.",
">\n\nSpay her and lock her up for ten years. In no way should she ever be in a position to bring more children into the world to abuse. \nWhat hasn't been caught on camera in this woman's home? What emotional damage has already been inflicted prior that might not be able to be fixed?",
">\n\nLike the quokka, shoplifters are known to throw their offspring down to bait predators and increase the chances of escape.",
">\n\nPrison and throw away the key",
">\n\nBruh that’s a rough 23 😬",
">\n\nSo a typical Walmart outing",
">\n\nI think this is the appropriate use of the phrase \"that woman is a cunt\".",
">\n\nLast minute effort to clinch the Mother of the Year Award?",
">\n\nThe Quokka defense rarely works for humans.",
">\n\nSo… another normal day at any American Walmart then?",
">\n\nFrankly the supreme court really messed us all up. But what we have here is someone that is obviously to unstable to be a parent.",
">\n\nWould be really hard to watch this and not punch that cunt in the face repeatedly. Maybe a kick or two as well.",
">\n\nIf she’s willing to do that in public, I can’t even fathom what she would do to that child at home.",
">\n\nThey call this a Soccer mom.",
">\n\nThrow her trashy ass in jail",
">\n\nI read stuff like this and realize some people aren’t worthy of living. Hope the kid turns out alright because she’s not worthy of anything.",
">\n\nThe cycle continues for that family. Always remember you can be the one to change things but it takes patience which I think is something that should be stressed a lot more but isn't. If you don't have patience then you won't be able to deal with a screaming 1-year-old. It's that simple.",
">\n\n\"Kick the baby!\" - Kyle Broflovski",
">\n\nThis is a horrifically damaged person. In no way do I excuse her abuse of this poor little baby, though.",
">\n\nYes, yes, bad mother, poor child and all that. Clearly this lady has some issues and very likely needs professional psychiatric help. Or maybe she's just a narcissistic, entitled asshole. Either way she should've never been saddled with a child.",
">\n\ni wish you weren't being downvoted, because obviously this woman has some issues, and the age of the child indicates that it could be postpartum depression, which is not nothing. or, like you said, she could just be an asshole. \nscreaming and punching a wall because a baby was crying? that is definitely not normal. obviously it's horrible that the baby has been abused, and thankfully it is physically okay from this assault, but the mom obviously needs help.",
">\n\nYeah, people in this thread are clamoring for her to be thrown in jail but that really isnt gonna solve anything (shed probably come out worse).\nShes clearly not all there.",
">\n\nand i'm getting downvoted for saying she needs help, lol what.",
">\n\nYou're being down voted for worrying about the wrong person. The child is the one that needs compassion. The abusers needs are less important.",
">\n\nMost Walmart sentence ever.",
">\n\nI obviously know nothing of this woman and her history but uncharacteristic rage and unfortunately in some cases violent outbursts can be a sign of postpartum depression. Hormones can do crazy things.",
">\n\nYou and her both need to walk into traffic",
">\n\nSeems like a solid way to deal with mental illness? Postpartum depression is a very real thing and can make people act in uncharacteristic ways.",
">\n\nQueue up the Janes Addiction",
">\n\nSay what you mean.",
">\n\nIt’s right there ^",
">\n\nI guess you got too embarrassed or downvoted and deleted it right after that comment eh?",
">\n\nNope. It’s all right there still.",
">\n\nIt says deleted clear as day, but alright. I’ll just look up the edits because I’m curious.",
">\n\nNothing was deleted by me and still shows so 🤷🏻♂️",
">\n\nThis isn’t fucking news Jesus Christ",
">\n\nAm I the only one whose second thought after “how can you do that to your baby” was “why is this article especially the headline putting shoplifting on the same level with doing that to your baby?”\nI’m not one of those people who thinks shoplifting is cool or whatever but…this is some really blatant “arson, murder, and jaywalking” stuff.",
">\n\nHow is the headline putting the crimes on the same level? It's literally just the events that happened, a mom who was shoplifting kicked her baby after being caught. The headline is not trying to equate assaulting a baby with shoplifting."
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Because it happened during a confrontation with security guards.
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"That website is giving my browser cancer so here's the text for anyone else who can't get it to load properly.\n\nTETERBORO — A mother kicked her baby daughter and sent the child careening across the floor after shoplifting from Walmart, according to police.\nJamira McDaniel, 23, of Paterson, was caught stealing at the supercenter in Teterboro by Walmart theft protection personnel on Tuesday, Moonachie Police Lt. Jeff Napolitano confirmed to New Jersey 101.5.\nMcDaniel was with her 1-year-old girl and the child's aunt.\nAfter she was taken to the store's security office, McDaniel placed the baby girl on the ground and kicked her in the back, Napolitano said. The toddler was sent across the floor and into the security office.\nAccording to Napolitano, the incident was caught on security cameras. He said video of the kick was turned over to Bergen County court but was not yet publicly available.\nThe theft protection workers then picked up the inconsolable child, handed her to McDaniel's sister, and called the police.\n\"McDaniel, upset by the girl who was now screaming and crying while being held by her aunt, began punching walls and yelling for the baby to stop crying,\" Napolitano explained. \"McDaniel also grabbed the baby and began to shake her while she was being held by her aunt.\"\nMoonachie cops soon arrived at the store and called an ambulance to evaluate the baby. Fortunately, first responders found the child was uninjured.\nThe mother is charged with endangering the welfare of a child, assault, shoplifting, and criminal mischief, according to Napolitano.\nMcDaniel was sent to Bergen County jail, which is where she remains as of Wednesday evening. The aunt was not charged and the child was given to family members.\n\nGod help that poor baby.",
">\n\nSome people really need to not have kids",
">\n\nMore people should have abortions. If someone cannot or doesn’t want to raise a child abortion should be the first choice. Bringing children into this world only for them to suffer is awful. So many wind up in the foster system and no one adopts them then they age out. Then you have adults who have no family or resources and continue to suffer. \nAnytime someone says abortion is bad and they should just birth the child and give it up for adoption should be required to take one of those children into their homes. \nCausing unwavering suffering of another living being is immoral.",
">\n\nI absolutely agree but there is also a large subset of people that WANT to have kids but are still completely awful parents.",
">\n\nHence, the reverse abortion! A simple way to solve these issues",
">\n\nWhat's a reverse abortion? Shoving the child back up the coochie and into the uterus?? \nMaybe I'm just super dumb today and drank too much or too little coffee, but I really don't know what a reverse abortion would be. \nAm I going to feel really stupid when you tell me? If so, that's ok, just tell me anyway, I'm used to feeling stupid.",
">\n\nInstead of aborting babies, abort the parents",
">\n\nCan you legally abort a baby after 18 years?",
">\n\nSometimes I ask my mom if she would feel comfortable having a 124th trimester abortion. My brother is not working out.",
">\n\nReading that article, it sounds like being a shoplifter is the best thing about her.",
">\n\nWhen my kids were little I found it almost impossible to read articles like this. They would stick with me for days or weeks. \nI really hope that baby ends up in a loving home because game fucking over for mom.",
">\n\nI have a 1½‐year-old and reading this makes me want to cry.",
">\n\nSame. I just can’t read anything like this, it’s so horrifying. And I just hold my kiddo and cry and then be sad I can’t love all the babies and protect them all. \nKids are just so freaking pure and good and they just want to be loved and safe like that’s it man. How could you do something to something so innocent?",
">\n\nReading your comment, in contrast to OP’s horror inducing title, legit just brought a tear to my eye. Makes me hug my kiddos extra just thinking about it!",
">\n\nIf she kicks and shakes the baby in public, I can’t imagine what she does to that poor child at home. Disgusting woman.",
">\n\nAbortion should be legal so we can make sure this woman never existed.",
">\n\nWe should be able to abort the mother in this instance.",
">\n\nThat’s… that’s what he just inferred",
">\n\nDoesn't hurt to drive the point home",
">\n\nYou see horrible parenting in a walmart any day, but this is is, I think, the worst I've heard of. I hope she doesn't get that poor kid back.",
">\n\nUnfortunately, in this circumstance, it's better for her to do this shit in public and get caught so the baby (and other possible kids) gets taken away. If that's what she does in public, imagine what she does behind closed doors.",
">\n\nHoly fuck, Adblock on Firefox shows 450+ blocked on that website alone???",
">\n\nNow do you see why everyone on reddit is losing their mind over the news that Chrome is preventing ad block.\nIf you haven't switched to Firefox or something else, you might want to start test driving a few browsers because good LORD you have no idea how bad things are without ad block.",
">\n\nPiece of trash. Even reading the article boils my blood.",
">\n\nDefinitely r/iamatotalpieceofshit material",
">\n\nThank god she showed her true abusive colours while on camera and in front of everyone. Now the kid will be protected from her and serious injury/trauma prevented.",
">\n\nI hope this baby finds her way to a loving and caring mother, and I hope this lady gets the mental help she needs.",
">\n\nYea and maybe my mom will quit drinking and my dad will come home.",
">\n\nHope is sometimes all we have",
">\n\nMy best friend’s mom was a foster parent for many years. She was well known by DFACS for taking in their most difficult cases, children of severe abuse, often arriving in the middle of the night with nothing more than the clothes on their backs. She didn’t have a lot of money, bit she somehow made due for all of the kids. She was practical and no nonsense, pragmatic and loving. I learned a lot about how to stretch a dollar to make struggle meals from her. Full bellies and full hearts.\nWhen I was a new mother, she was my lifeline. I knew nothing about babies and she patiently taught me what I needed to know. She talked me through my son’s first bath over the telephone, I was exhausted from lack of sleep because my baby had severe colic. And, Ms S would gather him into her arms and rock him in her special creaky rocking chair. And, he fell into a blissful and untroubled sleep. She was truly a baby whisperer. \nHer heart and soul were devoted to children who were victims of horrific abuse. She took in a toddler who had spent much of his young life living in a cage. He was non verbal and unable to walk. After several years, she brought him up to nearly his age level. He was walking and verbal. The state stepped in and returned him to his newly “reformed” mother.\nHe was returned to Ms S a year later, with severe setbacks. She did everything that she could for this boy. Bit, when the state took him back again, she was done. Eventually, her remaining kids aged out of the system.\nAnyway, long ass story. Please forgive me for this. I’m just thinking about the little girl from this story and hoping that she lands in the lap of a Ms S in a special creaky rocking chair and comes to know comfort from a truly caring person and never has to be returned to an uncaring and abusive ”mother”.\nRIP Ms S for being the only real mom to many kids and for being a very special Grandmom to my kids . Never forgotten and always remembered.",
">\n\nCool story man. She sounds like a fantastic person",
">\n\nI swear i think i live next to this woman... Always screaming and swearing at her kids at the top of her lungs...",
">\n\nCall cps. Lived in a similar situation awhile back. I was afraid to call, wish I would be called earlier looking back at it.",
">\n\nDealt with CPS as a child growing up. They don’t care. My parents would have gone to jail had i been an animal and they were just as abusive. Especially if the child has no other family nearby to take em.",
">\n\nSounds awful for you. Im really sorry. As far as CPS goes I didn’t know what else do to, any ideas in case I find myself in a similar situation?\nNot too long after I called they moved out in the middle of the night and left their dog behind. Wish they would have left the kids wouldve adopted them too. \nHope you’re doing good now internet stranger.",
">\n\nShe obviously can't be trusted with her child, but I hope she gets the help that she clearly needs.",
">\n\nShe obviously hates the child and doesn't know how to take care of it so it should be taken and given to somebody who can take care of it and appreciate it. \nIt really makes me sick that there's people out there that struggle to get pregnant and want so desperately to have babies... And then you have this woman who decides to use her baby like a football. 🙄",
">\n\nYeah I hear kangaroos will throw their babies out to escape",
">\n\nI’m not advocating for violence, but the blunt end of a shingler’s hatchet works wonders as an attitude-correction tool.",
">\n\nThat's very Walmart of her",
">\n\ndead kid walking\nmom will get a slap on the wrist, at some point the courts will agree to a reunification plan, mom gets kid back\nmom and her boyfriend beat kid to death after starving it and abusing it for it's short miserable life",
">\n\nThat is such an extremely disgusting act to do. Baby deserves better than that.",
">\n\nSomeone is about to lose her parental rights.",
">\n\nI really wish I never clicked on this post. Not everyone is fit to be a parent.",
">\n\nThe charges aren’t severe enough. “Endangering the welfare?” A kick from an adult can kill a one year old baby…\nShe needs to go to prison for good.",
">\n\nI expect a lot of stories like this over the next decade as abortion restrictions lead to people who aren't prepared for kids to become parents.",
">\n\nCan we not link everything that and instead focus on the fact this a shitty person instead?",
">\n\nok and abortion reduces the number of shitty people having children. it is all related.",
">\n\nThere is no guarantee shitty people would go about it. They still have to want to do it during a very limited window.",
">\n\nJust pure numbers, more abortions mean at least one less shitty person having kids",
">\n\nJust read the article, I hope the baby is safe, taken out of her custody permanently, and this vile bitch is spayed like a stray dog and thrown into jail for 5-7 years. (I'm aware that won't happen) Fucking worst type of human. Disgusting and reprehensible behavior.",
">\n\nWatch the downfall of Mankind: Go to r/publicfreakout search \"WalMart\"... \"Waffle House\", \"MacDonald's\" and \"Starbucks\" will suffice also.",
">\n\nI can't be the only who thinks it's interesting as a society we have to take have qualifications for certain jobs but to be a parent.. fuck it, you don't need training at all.. seems a little fucked up",
">\n\nThere are evil assholes in this thread saying that people have a god-given right to have, kill, barbecue and eat their own children. They claim it's \"freedom from state over-reach\", but it means they want to kill, barbecue and eat children with zero consequences. Child abuse is common in this world. My own father beat me until I put him in the hospital and then never saw him again. These assholes want to make sure fathers are allowed to beat their children freely, and that any child who defends themself is punished. Fuck those people!\nThe state has a role in protecting children. And anyone against it is an enemy of decency.",
">\n\nPaterson, NJ. No surprise....",
">\n\nThe surprise is it’s not Florida.",
">\n\nAnother baby mama loses her child. Don't worry; she'll make more.",
">\n\nThat is not a mom, this is a piece of trash that let some guy rawdog her.",
">\n\nSpay her and lock her up for ten years. In no way should she ever be in a position to bring more children into the world to abuse. \nWhat hasn't been caught on camera in this woman's home? What emotional damage has already been inflicted prior that might not be able to be fixed?",
">\n\nLike the quokka, shoplifters are known to throw their offspring down to bait predators and increase the chances of escape.",
">\n\nPrison and throw away the key",
">\n\nBruh that’s a rough 23 😬",
">\n\nSo a typical Walmart outing",
">\n\nI think this is the appropriate use of the phrase \"that woman is a cunt\".",
">\n\nLast minute effort to clinch the Mother of the Year Award?",
">\n\nThe Quokka defense rarely works for humans.",
">\n\nSo… another normal day at any American Walmart then?",
">\n\nFrankly the supreme court really messed us all up. But what we have here is someone that is obviously to unstable to be a parent.",
">\n\nWould be really hard to watch this and not punch that cunt in the face repeatedly. Maybe a kick or two as well.",
">\n\nIf she’s willing to do that in public, I can’t even fathom what she would do to that child at home.",
">\n\nThey call this a Soccer mom.",
">\n\nThrow her trashy ass in jail",
">\n\nI read stuff like this and realize some people aren’t worthy of living. Hope the kid turns out alright because she’s not worthy of anything.",
">\n\nThe cycle continues for that family. Always remember you can be the one to change things but it takes patience which I think is something that should be stressed a lot more but isn't. If you don't have patience then you won't be able to deal with a screaming 1-year-old. It's that simple.",
">\n\n\"Kick the baby!\" - Kyle Broflovski",
">\n\nThis is a horrifically damaged person. In no way do I excuse her abuse of this poor little baby, though.",
">\n\nYes, yes, bad mother, poor child and all that. Clearly this lady has some issues and very likely needs professional psychiatric help. Or maybe she's just a narcissistic, entitled asshole. Either way she should've never been saddled with a child.",
">\n\ni wish you weren't being downvoted, because obviously this woman has some issues, and the age of the child indicates that it could be postpartum depression, which is not nothing. or, like you said, she could just be an asshole. \nscreaming and punching a wall because a baby was crying? that is definitely not normal. obviously it's horrible that the baby has been abused, and thankfully it is physically okay from this assault, but the mom obviously needs help.",
">\n\nYeah, people in this thread are clamoring for her to be thrown in jail but that really isnt gonna solve anything (shed probably come out worse).\nShes clearly not all there.",
">\n\nand i'm getting downvoted for saying she needs help, lol what.",
">\n\nYou're being down voted for worrying about the wrong person. The child is the one that needs compassion. The abusers needs are less important.",
">\n\nMost Walmart sentence ever.",
">\n\nI obviously know nothing of this woman and her history but uncharacteristic rage and unfortunately in some cases violent outbursts can be a sign of postpartum depression. Hormones can do crazy things.",
">\n\nYou and her both need to walk into traffic",
">\n\nSeems like a solid way to deal with mental illness? Postpartum depression is a very real thing and can make people act in uncharacteristic ways.",
">\n\nQueue up the Janes Addiction",
">\n\nSay what you mean.",
">\n\nIt’s right there ^",
">\n\nI guess you got too embarrassed or downvoted and deleted it right after that comment eh?",
">\n\nNope. It’s all right there still.",
">\n\nIt says deleted clear as day, but alright. I’ll just look up the edits because I’m curious.",
">\n\nNothing was deleted by me and still shows so 🤷🏻♂️",
">\n\nThis isn’t fucking news Jesus Christ",
">\n\nAm I the only one whose second thought after “how can you do that to your baby” was “why is this article especially the headline putting shoplifting on the same level with doing that to your baby?”\nI’m not one of those people who thinks shoplifting is cool or whatever but…this is some really blatant “arson, murder, and jaywalking” stuff.",
">\n\nHow is the headline putting the crimes on the same level? It's literally just the events that happened, a mom who was shoplifting kicked her baby after being caught. The headline is not trying to equate assaulting a baby with shoplifting.",
">\n\nIt mentioned the shoplifting before kicking the baby (really burying the lede there)."
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Isn’t shopping at Walmart in itself shoplifting?
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"That website is giving my browser cancer so here's the text for anyone else who can't get it to load properly.\n\nTETERBORO — A mother kicked her baby daughter and sent the child careening across the floor after shoplifting from Walmart, according to police.\nJamira McDaniel, 23, of Paterson, was caught stealing at the supercenter in Teterboro by Walmart theft protection personnel on Tuesday, Moonachie Police Lt. Jeff Napolitano confirmed to New Jersey 101.5.\nMcDaniel was with her 1-year-old girl and the child's aunt.\nAfter she was taken to the store's security office, McDaniel placed the baby girl on the ground and kicked her in the back, Napolitano said. The toddler was sent across the floor and into the security office.\nAccording to Napolitano, the incident was caught on security cameras. He said video of the kick was turned over to Bergen County court but was not yet publicly available.\nThe theft protection workers then picked up the inconsolable child, handed her to McDaniel's sister, and called the police.\n\"McDaniel, upset by the girl who was now screaming and crying while being held by her aunt, began punching walls and yelling for the baby to stop crying,\" Napolitano explained. \"McDaniel also grabbed the baby and began to shake her while she was being held by her aunt.\"\nMoonachie cops soon arrived at the store and called an ambulance to evaluate the baby. Fortunately, first responders found the child was uninjured.\nThe mother is charged with endangering the welfare of a child, assault, shoplifting, and criminal mischief, according to Napolitano.\nMcDaniel was sent to Bergen County jail, which is where she remains as of Wednesday evening. The aunt was not charged and the child was given to family members.\n\nGod help that poor baby.",
">\n\nSome people really need to not have kids",
">\n\nMore people should have abortions. If someone cannot or doesn’t want to raise a child abortion should be the first choice. Bringing children into this world only for them to suffer is awful. So many wind up in the foster system and no one adopts them then they age out. Then you have adults who have no family or resources and continue to suffer. \nAnytime someone says abortion is bad and they should just birth the child and give it up for adoption should be required to take one of those children into their homes. \nCausing unwavering suffering of another living being is immoral.",
">\n\nI absolutely agree but there is also a large subset of people that WANT to have kids but are still completely awful parents.",
">\n\nHence, the reverse abortion! A simple way to solve these issues",
">\n\nWhat's a reverse abortion? Shoving the child back up the coochie and into the uterus?? \nMaybe I'm just super dumb today and drank too much or too little coffee, but I really don't know what a reverse abortion would be. \nAm I going to feel really stupid when you tell me? If so, that's ok, just tell me anyway, I'm used to feeling stupid.",
">\n\nInstead of aborting babies, abort the parents",
">\n\nCan you legally abort a baby after 18 years?",
">\n\nSometimes I ask my mom if she would feel comfortable having a 124th trimester abortion. My brother is not working out.",
">\n\nReading that article, it sounds like being a shoplifter is the best thing about her.",
">\n\nWhen my kids were little I found it almost impossible to read articles like this. They would stick with me for days or weeks. \nI really hope that baby ends up in a loving home because game fucking over for mom.",
">\n\nI have a 1½‐year-old and reading this makes me want to cry.",
">\n\nSame. I just can’t read anything like this, it’s so horrifying. And I just hold my kiddo and cry and then be sad I can’t love all the babies and protect them all. \nKids are just so freaking pure and good and they just want to be loved and safe like that’s it man. How could you do something to something so innocent?",
">\n\nReading your comment, in contrast to OP’s horror inducing title, legit just brought a tear to my eye. Makes me hug my kiddos extra just thinking about it!",
">\n\nIf she kicks and shakes the baby in public, I can’t imagine what she does to that poor child at home. Disgusting woman.",
">\n\nAbortion should be legal so we can make sure this woman never existed.",
">\n\nWe should be able to abort the mother in this instance.",
">\n\nThat’s… that’s what he just inferred",
">\n\nDoesn't hurt to drive the point home",
">\n\nYou see horrible parenting in a walmart any day, but this is is, I think, the worst I've heard of. I hope she doesn't get that poor kid back.",
">\n\nUnfortunately, in this circumstance, it's better for her to do this shit in public and get caught so the baby (and other possible kids) gets taken away. If that's what she does in public, imagine what she does behind closed doors.",
">\n\nHoly fuck, Adblock on Firefox shows 450+ blocked on that website alone???",
">\n\nNow do you see why everyone on reddit is losing their mind over the news that Chrome is preventing ad block.\nIf you haven't switched to Firefox or something else, you might want to start test driving a few browsers because good LORD you have no idea how bad things are without ad block.",
">\n\nPiece of trash. Even reading the article boils my blood.",
">\n\nDefinitely r/iamatotalpieceofshit material",
">\n\nThank god she showed her true abusive colours while on camera and in front of everyone. Now the kid will be protected from her and serious injury/trauma prevented.",
">\n\nI hope this baby finds her way to a loving and caring mother, and I hope this lady gets the mental help she needs.",
">\n\nYea and maybe my mom will quit drinking and my dad will come home.",
">\n\nHope is sometimes all we have",
">\n\nMy best friend’s mom was a foster parent for many years. She was well known by DFACS for taking in their most difficult cases, children of severe abuse, often arriving in the middle of the night with nothing more than the clothes on their backs. She didn’t have a lot of money, bit she somehow made due for all of the kids. She was practical and no nonsense, pragmatic and loving. I learned a lot about how to stretch a dollar to make struggle meals from her. Full bellies and full hearts.\nWhen I was a new mother, she was my lifeline. I knew nothing about babies and she patiently taught me what I needed to know. She talked me through my son’s first bath over the telephone, I was exhausted from lack of sleep because my baby had severe colic. And, Ms S would gather him into her arms and rock him in her special creaky rocking chair. And, he fell into a blissful and untroubled sleep. She was truly a baby whisperer. \nHer heart and soul were devoted to children who were victims of horrific abuse. She took in a toddler who had spent much of his young life living in a cage. He was non verbal and unable to walk. After several years, she brought him up to nearly his age level. He was walking and verbal. The state stepped in and returned him to his newly “reformed” mother.\nHe was returned to Ms S a year later, with severe setbacks. She did everything that she could for this boy. Bit, when the state took him back again, she was done. Eventually, her remaining kids aged out of the system.\nAnyway, long ass story. Please forgive me for this. I’m just thinking about the little girl from this story and hoping that she lands in the lap of a Ms S in a special creaky rocking chair and comes to know comfort from a truly caring person and never has to be returned to an uncaring and abusive ”mother”.\nRIP Ms S for being the only real mom to many kids and for being a very special Grandmom to my kids . Never forgotten and always remembered.",
">\n\nCool story man. She sounds like a fantastic person",
">\n\nI swear i think i live next to this woman... Always screaming and swearing at her kids at the top of her lungs...",
">\n\nCall cps. Lived in a similar situation awhile back. I was afraid to call, wish I would be called earlier looking back at it.",
">\n\nDealt with CPS as a child growing up. They don’t care. My parents would have gone to jail had i been an animal and they were just as abusive. Especially if the child has no other family nearby to take em.",
">\n\nSounds awful for you. Im really sorry. As far as CPS goes I didn’t know what else do to, any ideas in case I find myself in a similar situation?\nNot too long after I called they moved out in the middle of the night and left their dog behind. Wish they would have left the kids wouldve adopted them too. \nHope you’re doing good now internet stranger.",
">\n\nShe obviously can't be trusted with her child, but I hope she gets the help that she clearly needs.",
">\n\nShe obviously hates the child and doesn't know how to take care of it so it should be taken and given to somebody who can take care of it and appreciate it. \nIt really makes me sick that there's people out there that struggle to get pregnant and want so desperately to have babies... And then you have this woman who decides to use her baby like a football. 🙄",
">\n\nYeah I hear kangaroos will throw their babies out to escape",
">\n\nI’m not advocating for violence, but the blunt end of a shingler’s hatchet works wonders as an attitude-correction tool.",
">\n\nThat's very Walmart of her",
">\n\ndead kid walking\nmom will get a slap on the wrist, at some point the courts will agree to a reunification plan, mom gets kid back\nmom and her boyfriend beat kid to death after starving it and abusing it for it's short miserable life",
">\n\nThat is such an extremely disgusting act to do. Baby deserves better than that.",
">\n\nSomeone is about to lose her parental rights.",
">\n\nI really wish I never clicked on this post. Not everyone is fit to be a parent.",
">\n\nThe charges aren’t severe enough. “Endangering the welfare?” A kick from an adult can kill a one year old baby…\nShe needs to go to prison for good.",
">\n\nI expect a lot of stories like this over the next decade as abortion restrictions lead to people who aren't prepared for kids to become parents.",
">\n\nCan we not link everything that and instead focus on the fact this a shitty person instead?",
">\n\nok and abortion reduces the number of shitty people having children. it is all related.",
">\n\nThere is no guarantee shitty people would go about it. They still have to want to do it during a very limited window.",
">\n\nJust pure numbers, more abortions mean at least one less shitty person having kids",
">\n\nJust read the article, I hope the baby is safe, taken out of her custody permanently, and this vile bitch is spayed like a stray dog and thrown into jail for 5-7 years. (I'm aware that won't happen) Fucking worst type of human. Disgusting and reprehensible behavior.",
">\n\nWatch the downfall of Mankind: Go to r/publicfreakout search \"WalMart\"... \"Waffle House\", \"MacDonald's\" and \"Starbucks\" will suffice also.",
">\n\nI can't be the only who thinks it's interesting as a society we have to take have qualifications for certain jobs but to be a parent.. fuck it, you don't need training at all.. seems a little fucked up",
">\n\nThere are evil assholes in this thread saying that people have a god-given right to have, kill, barbecue and eat their own children. They claim it's \"freedom from state over-reach\", but it means they want to kill, barbecue and eat children with zero consequences. Child abuse is common in this world. My own father beat me until I put him in the hospital and then never saw him again. These assholes want to make sure fathers are allowed to beat their children freely, and that any child who defends themself is punished. Fuck those people!\nThe state has a role in protecting children. And anyone against it is an enemy of decency.",
">\n\nPaterson, NJ. No surprise....",
">\n\nThe surprise is it’s not Florida.",
">\n\nAnother baby mama loses her child. Don't worry; she'll make more.",
">\n\nThat is not a mom, this is a piece of trash that let some guy rawdog her.",
">\n\nSpay her and lock her up for ten years. In no way should she ever be in a position to bring more children into the world to abuse. \nWhat hasn't been caught on camera in this woman's home? What emotional damage has already been inflicted prior that might not be able to be fixed?",
">\n\nLike the quokka, shoplifters are known to throw their offspring down to bait predators and increase the chances of escape.",
">\n\nPrison and throw away the key",
">\n\nBruh that’s a rough 23 😬",
">\n\nSo a typical Walmart outing",
">\n\nI think this is the appropriate use of the phrase \"that woman is a cunt\".",
">\n\nLast minute effort to clinch the Mother of the Year Award?",
">\n\nThe Quokka defense rarely works for humans.",
">\n\nSo… another normal day at any American Walmart then?",
">\n\nFrankly the supreme court really messed us all up. But what we have here is someone that is obviously to unstable to be a parent.",
">\n\nWould be really hard to watch this and not punch that cunt in the face repeatedly. Maybe a kick or two as well.",
">\n\nIf she’s willing to do that in public, I can’t even fathom what she would do to that child at home.",
">\n\nThey call this a Soccer mom.",
">\n\nThrow her trashy ass in jail",
">\n\nI read stuff like this and realize some people aren’t worthy of living. Hope the kid turns out alright because she’s not worthy of anything.",
">\n\nThe cycle continues for that family. Always remember you can be the one to change things but it takes patience which I think is something that should be stressed a lot more but isn't. If you don't have patience then you won't be able to deal with a screaming 1-year-old. It's that simple.",
">\n\n\"Kick the baby!\" - Kyle Broflovski",
">\n\nThis is a horrifically damaged person. In no way do I excuse her abuse of this poor little baby, though.",
">\n\nYes, yes, bad mother, poor child and all that. Clearly this lady has some issues and very likely needs professional psychiatric help. Or maybe she's just a narcissistic, entitled asshole. Either way she should've never been saddled with a child.",
">\n\ni wish you weren't being downvoted, because obviously this woman has some issues, and the age of the child indicates that it could be postpartum depression, which is not nothing. or, like you said, she could just be an asshole. \nscreaming and punching a wall because a baby was crying? that is definitely not normal. obviously it's horrible that the baby has been abused, and thankfully it is physically okay from this assault, but the mom obviously needs help.",
">\n\nYeah, people in this thread are clamoring for her to be thrown in jail but that really isnt gonna solve anything (shed probably come out worse).\nShes clearly not all there.",
">\n\nand i'm getting downvoted for saying she needs help, lol what.",
">\n\nYou're being down voted for worrying about the wrong person. The child is the one that needs compassion. The abusers needs are less important.",
">\n\nMost Walmart sentence ever.",
">\n\nI obviously know nothing of this woman and her history but uncharacteristic rage and unfortunately in some cases violent outbursts can be a sign of postpartum depression. Hormones can do crazy things.",
">\n\nYou and her both need to walk into traffic",
">\n\nSeems like a solid way to deal with mental illness? Postpartum depression is a very real thing and can make people act in uncharacteristic ways.",
">\n\nQueue up the Janes Addiction",
">\n\nSay what you mean.",
">\n\nIt’s right there ^",
">\n\nI guess you got too embarrassed or downvoted and deleted it right after that comment eh?",
">\n\nNope. It’s all right there still.",
">\n\nIt says deleted clear as day, but alright. I’ll just look up the edits because I’m curious.",
">\n\nNothing was deleted by me and still shows so 🤷🏻♂️",
">\n\nThis isn’t fucking news Jesus Christ",
">\n\nAm I the only one whose second thought after “how can you do that to your baby” was “why is this article especially the headline putting shoplifting on the same level with doing that to your baby?”\nI’m not one of those people who thinks shoplifting is cool or whatever but…this is some really blatant “arson, murder, and jaywalking” stuff.",
">\n\nHow is the headline putting the crimes on the same level? It's literally just the events that happened, a mom who was shoplifting kicked her baby after being caught. The headline is not trying to equate assaulting a baby with shoplifting.",
">\n\nIt mentioned the shoplifting before kicking the baby (really burying the lede there).",
">\n\nBecause it happened during a confrontation with security guards."
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I can't imagine that the others in that room would have a very different story. Let's hear your defense of this woman's actions.
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"That website is giving my browser cancer so here's the text for anyone else who can't get it to load properly.\n\nTETERBORO — A mother kicked her baby daughter and sent the child careening across the floor after shoplifting from Walmart, according to police.\nJamira McDaniel, 23, of Paterson, was caught stealing at the supercenter in Teterboro by Walmart theft protection personnel on Tuesday, Moonachie Police Lt. Jeff Napolitano confirmed to New Jersey 101.5.\nMcDaniel was with her 1-year-old girl and the child's aunt.\nAfter she was taken to the store's security office, McDaniel placed the baby girl on the ground and kicked her in the back, Napolitano said. The toddler was sent across the floor and into the security office.\nAccording to Napolitano, the incident was caught on security cameras. He said video of the kick was turned over to Bergen County court but was not yet publicly available.\nThe theft protection workers then picked up the inconsolable child, handed her to McDaniel's sister, and called the police.\n\"McDaniel, upset by the girl who was now screaming and crying while being held by her aunt, began punching walls and yelling for the baby to stop crying,\" Napolitano explained. \"McDaniel also grabbed the baby and began to shake her while she was being held by her aunt.\"\nMoonachie cops soon arrived at the store and called an ambulance to evaluate the baby. Fortunately, first responders found the child was uninjured.\nThe mother is charged with endangering the welfare of a child, assault, shoplifting, and criminal mischief, according to Napolitano.\nMcDaniel was sent to Bergen County jail, which is where she remains as of Wednesday evening. The aunt was not charged and the child was given to family members.\n\nGod help that poor baby.",
">\n\nSome people really need to not have kids",
">\n\nMore people should have abortions. If someone cannot or doesn’t want to raise a child abortion should be the first choice. Bringing children into this world only for them to suffer is awful. So many wind up in the foster system and no one adopts them then they age out. Then you have adults who have no family or resources and continue to suffer. \nAnytime someone says abortion is bad and they should just birth the child and give it up for adoption should be required to take one of those children into their homes. \nCausing unwavering suffering of another living being is immoral.",
">\n\nI absolutely agree but there is also a large subset of people that WANT to have kids but are still completely awful parents.",
">\n\nHence, the reverse abortion! A simple way to solve these issues",
">\n\nWhat's a reverse abortion? Shoving the child back up the coochie and into the uterus?? \nMaybe I'm just super dumb today and drank too much or too little coffee, but I really don't know what a reverse abortion would be. \nAm I going to feel really stupid when you tell me? If so, that's ok, just tell me anyway, I'm used to feeling stupid.",
">\n\nInstead of aborting babies, abort the parents",
">\n\nCan you legally abort a baby after 18 years?",
">\n\nSometimes I ask my mom if she would feel comfortable having a 124th trimester abortion. My brother is not working out.",
">\n\nReading that article, it sounds like being a shoplifter is the best thing about her.",
">\n\nWhen my kids were little I found it almost impossible to read articles like this. They would stick with me for days or weeks. \nI really hope that baby ends up in a loving home because game fucking over for mom.",
">\n\nI have a 1½‐year-old and reading this makes me want to cry.",
">\n\nSame. I just can’t read anything like this, it’s so horrifying. And I just hold my kiddo and cry and then be sad I can’t love all the babies and protect them all. \nKids are just so freaking pure and good and they just want to be loved and safe like that’s it man. How could you do something to something so innocent?",
">\n\nReading your comment, in contrast to OP’s horror inducing title, legit just brought a tear to my eye. Makes me hug my kiddos extra just thinking about it!",
">\n\nIf she kicks and shakes the baby in public, I can’t imagine what she does to that poor child at home. Disgusting woman.",
">\n\nAbortion should be legal so we can make sure this woman never existed.",
">\n\nWe should be able to abort the mother in this instance.",
">\n\nThat’s… that’s what he just inferred",
">\n\nDoesn't hurt to drive the point home",
">\n\nYou see horrible parenting in a walmart any day, but this is is, I think, the worst I've heard of. I hope she doesn't get that poor kid back.",
">\n\nUnfortunately, in this circumstance, it's better for her to do this shit in public and get caught so the baby (and other possible kids) gets taken away. If that's what she does in public, imagine what she does behind closed doors.",
">\n\nHoly fuck, Adblock on Firefox shows 450+ blocked on that website alone???",
">\n\nNow do you see why everyone on reddit is losing their mind over the news that Chrome is preventing ad block.\nIf you haven't switched to Firefox or something else, you might want to start test driving a few browsers because good LORD you have no idea how bad things are without ad block.",
">\n\nPiece of trash. Even reading the article boils my blood.",
">\n\nDefinitely r/iamatotalpieceofshit material",
">\n\nThank god she showed her true abusive colours while on camera and in front of everyone. Now the kid will be protected from her and serious injury/trauma prevented.",
">\n\nI hope this baby finds her way to a loving and caring mother, and I hope this lady gets the mental help she needs.",
">\n\nYea and maybe my mom will quit drinking and my dad will come home.",
">\n\nHope is sometimes all we have",
">\n\nMy best friend’s mom was a foster parent for many years. She was well known by DFACS for taking in their most difficult cases, children of severe abuse, often arriving in the middle of the night with nothing more than the clothes on their backs. She didn’t have a lot of money, bit she somehow made due for all of the kids. She was practical and no nonsense, pragmatic and loving. I learned a lot about how to stretch a dollar to make struggle meals from her. Full bellies and full hearts.\nWhen I was a new mother, she was my lifeline. I knew nothing about babies and she patiently taught me what I needed to know. She talked me through my son’s first bath over the telephone, I was exhausted from lack of sleep because my baby had severe colic. And, Ms S would gather him into her arms and rock him in her special creaky rocking chair. And, he fell into a blissful and untroubled sleep. She was truly a baby whisperer. \nHer heart and soul were devoted to children who were victims of horrific abuse. She took in a toddler who had spent much of his young life living in a cage. He was non verbal and unable to walk. After several years, she brought him up to nearly his age level. He was walking and verbal. The state stepped in and returned him to his newly “reformed” mother.\nHe was returned to Ms S a year later, with severe setbacks. She did everything that she could for this boy. Bit, when the state took him back again, she was done. Eventually, her remaining kids aged out of the system.\nAnyway, long ass story. Please forgive me for this. I’m just thinking about the little girl from this story and hoping that she lands in the lap of a Ms S in a special creaky rocking chair and comes to know comfort from a truly caring person and never has to be returned to an uncaring and abusive ”mother”.\nRIP Ms S for being the only real mom to many kids and for being a very special Grandmom to my kids . Never forgotten and always remembered.",
">\n\nCool story man. She sounds like a fantastic person",
">\n\nI swear i think i live next to this woman... Always screaming and swearing at her kids at the top of her lungs...",
">\n\nCall cps. Lived in a similar situation awhile back. I was afraid to call, wish I would be called earlier looking back at it.",
">\n\nDealt with CPS as a child growing up. They don’t care. My parents would have gone to jail had i been an animal and they were just as abusive. Especially if the child has no other family nearby to take em.",
">\n\nSounds awful for you. Im really sorry. As far as CPS goes I didn’t know what else do to, any ideas in case I find myself in a similar situation?\nNot too long after I called they moved out in the middle of the night and left their dog behind. Wish they would have left the kids wouldve adopted them too. \nHope you’re doing good now internet stranger.",
">\n\nShe obviously can't be trusted with her child, but I hope she gets the help that she clearly needs.",
">\n\nShe obviously hates the child and doesn't know how to take care of it so it should be taken and given to somebody who can take care of it and appreciate it. \nIt really makes me sick that there's people out there that struggle to get pregnant and want so desperately to have babies... And then you have this woman who decides to use her baby like a football. 🙄",
">\n\nYeah I hear kangaroos will throw their babies out to escape",
">\n\nI’m not advocating for violence, but the blunt end of a shingler’s hatchet works wonders as an attitude-correction tool.",
">\n\nThat's very Walmart of her",
">\n\ndead kid walking\nmom will get a slap on the wrist, at some point the courts will agree to a reunification plan, mom gets kid back\nmom and her boyfriend beat kid to death after starving it and abusing it for it's short miserable life",
">\n\nThat is such an extremely disgusting act to do. Baby deserves better than that.",
">\n\nSomeone is about to lose her parental rights.",
">\n\nI really wish I never clicked on this post. Not everyone is fit to be a parent.",
">\n\nThe charges aren’t severe enough. “Endangering the welfare?” A kick from an adult can kill a one year old baby…\nShe needs to go to prison for good.",
">\n\nI expect a lot of stories like this over the next decade as abortion restrictions lead to people who aren't prepared for kids to become parents.",
">\n\nCan we not link everything that and instead focus on the fact this a shitty person instead?",
">\n\nok and abortion reduces the number of shitty people having children. it is all related.",
">\n\nThere is no guarantee shitty people would go about it. They still have to want to do it during a very limited window.",
">\n\nJust pure numbers, more abortions mean at least one less shitty person having kids",
">\n\nJust read the article, I hope the baby is safe, taken out of her custody permanently, and this vile bitch is spayed like a stray dog and thrown into jail for 5-7 years. (I'm aware that won't happen) Fucking worst type of human. Disgusting and reprehensible behavior.",
">\n\nWatch the downfall of Mankind: Go to r/publicfreakout search \"WalMart\"... \"Waffle House\", \"MacDonald's\" and \"Starbucks\" will suffice also.",
">\n\nI can't be the only who thinks it's interesting as a society we have to take have qualifications for certain jobs but to be a parent.. fuck it, you don't need training at all.. seems a little fucked up",
">\n\nThere are evil assholes in this thread saying that people have a god-given right to have, kill, barbecue and eat their own children. They claim it's \"freedom from state over-reach\", but it means they want to kill, barbecue and eat children with zero consequences. Child abuse is common in this world. My own father beat me until I put him in the hospital and then never saw him again. These assholes want to make sure fathers are allowed to beat their children freely, and that any child who defends themself is punished. Fuck those people!\nThe state has a role in protecting children. And anyone against it is an enemy of decency.",
">\n\nPaterson, NJ. No surprise....",
">\n\nThe surprise is it’s not Florida.",
">\n\nAnother baby mama loses her child. Don't worry; she'll make more.",
">\n\nThat is not a mom, this is a piece of trash that let some guy rawdog her.",
">\n\nSpay her and lock her up for ten years. In no way should she ever be in a position to bring more children into the world to abuse. \nWhat hasn't been caught on camera in this woman's home? What emotional damage has already been inflicted prior that might not be able to be fixed?",
">\n\nLike the quokka, shoplifters are known to throw their offspring down to bait predators and increase the chances of escape.",
">\n\nPrison and throw away the key",
">\n\nBruh that’s a rough 23 😬",
">\n\nSo a typical Walmart outing",
">\n\nI think this is the appropriate use of the phrase \"that woman is a cunt\".",
">\n\nLast minute effort to clinch the Mother of the Year Award?",
">\n\nThe Quokka defense rarely works for humans.",
">\n\nSo… another normal day at any American Walmart then?",
">\n\nFrankly the supreme court really messed us all up. But what we have here is someone that is obviously to unstable to be a parent.",
">\n\nWould be really hard to watch this and not punch that cunt in the face repeatedly. Maybe a kick or two as well.",
">\n\nIf she’s willing to do that in public, I can’t even fathom what she would do to that child at home.",
">\n\nThey call this a Soccer mom.",
">\n\nThrow her trashy ass in jail",
">\n\nI read stuff like this and realize some people aren’t worthy of living. Hope the kid turns out alright because she’s not worthy of anything.",
">\n\nThe cycle continues for that family. Always remember you can be the one to change things but it takes patience which I think is something that should be stressed a lot more but isn't. If you don't have patience then you won't be able to deal with a screaming 1-year-old. It's that simple.",
">\n\n\"Kick the baby!\" - Kyle Broflovski",
">\n\nThis is a horrifically damaged person. In no way do I excuse her abuse of this poor little baby, though.",
">\n\nYes, yes, bad mother, poor child and all that. Clearly this lady has some issues and very likely needs professional psychiatric help. Or maybe she's just a narcissistic, entitled asshole. Either way she should've never been saddled with a child.",
">\n\ni wish you weren't being downvoted, because obviously this woman has some issues, and the age of the child indicates that it could be postpartum depression, which is not nothing. or, like you said, she could just be an asshole. \nscreaming and punching a wall because a baby was crying? that is definitely not normal. obviously it's horrible that the baby has been abused, and thankfully it is physically okay from this assault, but the mom obviously needs help.",
">\n\nYeah, people in this thread are clamoring for her to be thrown in jail but that really isnt gonna solve anything (shed probably come out worse).\nShes clearly not all there.",
">\n\nand i'm getting downvoted for saying she needs help, lol what.",
">\n\nYou're being down voted for worrying about the wrong person. The child is the one that needs compassion. The abusers needs are less important.",
">\n\nMost Walmart sentence ever.",
">\n\nI obviously know nothing of this woman and her history but uncharacteristic rage and unfortunately in some cases violent outbursts can be a sign of postpartum depression. Hormones can do crazy things.",
">\n\nYou and her both need to walk into traffic",
">\n\nSeems like a solid way to deal with mental illness? Postpartum depression is a very real thing and can make people act in uncharacteristic ways.",
">\n\nQueue up the Janes Addiction",
">\n\nSay what you mean.",
">\n\nIt’s right there ^",
">\n\nI guess you got too embarrassed or downvoted and deleted it right after that comment eh?",
">\n\nNope. It’s all right there still.",
">\n\nIt says deleted clear as day, but alright. I’ll just look up the edits because I’m curious.",
">\n\nNothing was deleted by me and still shows so 🤷🏻♂️",
">\n\nThis isn’t fucking news Jesus Christ",
">\n\nAm I the only one whose second thought after “how can you do that to your baby” was “why is this article especially the headline putting shoplifting on the same level with doing that to your baby?”\nI’m not one of those people who thinks shoplifting is cool or whatever but…this is some really blatant “arson, murder, and jaywalking” stuff.",
">\n\nHow is the headline putting the crimes on the same level? It's literally just the events that happened, a mom who was shoplifting kicked her baby after being caught. The headline is not trying to equate assaulting a baby with shoplifting.",
">\n\nIt mentioned the shoplifting before kicking the baby (really burying the lede there).",
">\n\nBecause it happened during a confrontation with security guards.",
">\n\nIsn’t shopping at Walmart in itself shoplifting?"
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Because at the moment, that's what makes the most sense given the information at hand.
You, on the other hand, are going exactly the opposite direction. You're essentially blaming the police without any evidence.
How about we all wait for now information before passing any judgement on anyone?
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"That website is giving my browser cancer so here's the text for anyone else who can't get it to load properly.\n\nTETERBORO — A mother kicked her baby daughter and sent the child careening across the floor after shoplifting from Walmart, according to police.\nJamira McDaniel, 23, of Paterson, was caught stealing at the supercenter in Teterboro by Walmart theft protection personnel on Tuesday, Moonachie Police Lt. Jeff Napolitano confirmed to New Jersey 101.5.\nMcDaniel was with her 1-year-old girl and the child's aunt.\nAfter she was taken to the store's security office, McDaniel placed the baby girl on the ground and kicked her in the back, Napolitano said. The toddler was sent across the floor and into the security office.\nAccording to Napolitano, the incident was caught on security cameras. He said video of the kick was turned over to Bergen County court but was not yet publicly available.\nThe theft protection workers then picked up the inconsolable child, handed her to McDaniel's sister, and called the police.\n\"McDaniel, upset by the girl who was now screaming and crying while being held by her aunt, began punching walls and yelling for the baby to stop crying,\" Napolitano explained. \"McDaniel also grabbed the baby and began to shake her while she was being held by her aunt.\"\nMoonachie cops soon arrived at the store and called an ambulance to evaluate the baby. Fortunately, first responders found the child was uninjured.\nThe mother is charged with endangering the welfare of a child, assault, shoplifting, and criminal mischief, according to Napolitano.\nMcDaniel was sent to Bergen County jail, which is where she remains as of Wednesday evening. The aunt was not charged and the child was given to family members.\n\nGod help that poor baby.",
">\n\nSome people really need to not have kids",
">\n\nMore people should have abortions. If someone cannot or doesn’t want to raise a child abortion should be the first choice. Bringing children into this world only for them to suffer is awful. So many wind up in the foster system and no one adopts them then they age out. Then you have adults who have no family or resources and continue to suffer. \nAnytime someone says abortion is bad and they should just birth the child and give it up for adoption should be required to take one of those children into their homes. \nCausing unwavering suffering of another living being is immoral.",
">\n\nI absolutely agree but there is also a large subset of people that WANT to have kids but are still completely awful parents.",
">\n\nHence, the reverse abortion! A simple way to solve these issues",
">\n\nWhat's a reverse abortion? Shoving the child back up the coochie and into the uterus?? \nMaybe I'm just super dumb today and drank too much or too little coffee, but I really don't know what a reverse abortion would be. \nAm I going to feel really stupid when you tell me? If so, that's ok, just tell me anyway, I'm used to feeling stupid.",
">\n\nInstead of aborting babies, abort the parents",
">\n\nCan you legally abort a baby after 18 years?",
">\n\nSometimes I ask my mom if she would feel comfortable having a 124th trimester abortion. My brother is not working out.",
">\n\nReading that article, it sounds like being a shoplifter is the best thing about her.",
">\n\nWhen my kids were little I found it almost impossible to read articles like this. They would stick with me for days or weeks. \nI really hope that baby ends up in a loving home because game fucking over for mom.",
">\n\nI have a 1½‐year-old and reading this makes me want to cry.",
">\n\nSame. I just can’t read anything like this, it’s so horrifying. And I just hold my kiddo and cry and then be sad I can’t love all the babies and protect them all. \nKids are just so freaking pure and good and they just want to be loved and safe like that’s it man. How could you do something to something so innocent?",
">\n\nReading your comment, in contrast to OP’s horror inducing title, legit just brought a tear to my eye. Makes me hug my kiddos extra just thinking about it!",
">\n\nIf she kicks and shakes the baby in public, I can’t imagine what she does to that poor child at home. Disgusting woman.",
">\n\nAbortion should be legal so we can make sure this woman never existed.",
">\n\nWe should be able to abort the mother in this instance.",
">\n\nThat’s… that’s what he just inferred",
">\n\nDoesn't hurt to drive the point home",
">\n\nYou see horrible parenting in a walmart any day, but this is is, I think, the worst I've heard of. I hope she doesn't get that poor kid back.",
">\n\nUnfortunately, in this circumstance, it's better for her to do this shit in public and get caught so the baby (and other possible kids) gets taken away. If that's what she does in public, imagine what she does behind closed doors.",
">\n\nHoly fuck, Adblock on Firefox shows 450+ blocked on that website alone???",
">\n\nNow do you see why everyone on reddit is losing their mind over the news that Chrome is preventing ad block.\nIf you haven't switched to Firefox or something else, you might want to start test driving a few browsers because good LORD you have no idea how bad things are without ad block.",
">\n\nPiece of trash. Even reading the article boils my blood.",
">\n\nDefinitely r/iamatotalpieceofshit material",
">\n\nThank god she showed her true abusive colours while on camera and in front of everyone. Now the kid will be protected from her and serious injury/trauma prevented.",
">\n\nI hope this baby finds her way to a loving and caring mother, and I hope this lady gets the mental help she needs.",
">\n\nYea and maybe my mom will quit drinking and my dad will come home.",
">\n\nHope is sometimes all we have",
">\n\nMy best friend’s mom was a foster parent for many years. She was well known by DFACS for taking in their most difficult cases, children of severe abuse, often arriving in the middle of the night with nothing more than the clothes on their backs. She didn’t have a lot of money, bit she somehow made due for all of the kids. She was practical and no nonsense, pragmatic and loving. I learned a lot about how to stretch a dollar to make struggle meals from her. Full bellies and full hearts.\nWhen I was a new mother, she was my lifeline. I knew nothing about babies and she patiently taught me what I needed to know. She talked me through my son’s first bath over the telephone, I was exhausted from lack of sleep because my baby had severe colic. And, Ms S would gather him into her arms and rock him in her special creaky rocking chair. And, he fell into a blissful and untroubled sleep. She was truly a baby whisperer. \nHer heart and soul were devoted to children who were victims of horrific abuse. She took in a toddler who had spent much of his young life living in a cage. He was non verbal and unable to walk. After several years, she brought him up to nearly his age level. He was walking and verbal. The state stepped in and returned him to his newly “reformed” mother.\nHe was returned to Ms S a year later, with severe setbacks. She did everything that she could for this boy. Bit, when the state took him back again, she was done. Eventually, her remaining kids aged out of the system.\nAnyway, long ass story. Please forgive me for this. I’m just thinking about the little girl from this story and hoping that she lands in the lap of a Ms S in a special creaky rocking chair and comes to know comfort from a truly caring person and never has to be returned to an uncaring and abusive ”mother”.\nRIP Ms S for being the only real mom to many kids and for being a very special Grandmom to my kids . Never forgotten and always remembered.",
">\n\nCool story man. She sounds like a fantastic person",
">\n\nI swear i think i live next to this woman... Always screaming and swearing at her kids at the top of her lungs...",
">\n\nCall cps. Lived in a similar situation awhile back. I was afraid to call, wish I would be called earlier looking back at it.",
">\n\nDealt with CPS as a child growing up. They don’t care. My parents would have gone to jail had i been an animal and they were just as abusive. Especially if the child has no other family nearby to take em.",
">\n\nSounds awful for you. Im really sorry. As far as CPS goes I didn’t know what else do to, any ideas in case I find myself in a similar situation?\nNot too long after I called they moved out in the middle of the night and left their dog behind. Wish they would have left the kids wouldve adopted them too. \nHope you’re doing good now internet stranger.",
">\n\nShe obviously can't be trusted with her child, but I hope she gets the help that she clearly needs.",
">\n\nShe obviously hates the child and doesn't know how to take care of it so it should be taken and given to somebody who can take care of it and appreciate it. \nIt really makes me sick that there's people out there that struggle to get pregnant and want so desperately to have babies... And then you have this woman who decides to use her baby like a football. 🙄",
">\n\nYeah I hear kangaroos will throw their babies out to escape",
">\n\nI’m not advocating for violence, but the blunt end of a shingler’s hatchet works wonders as an attitude-correction tool.",
">\n\nThat's very Walmart of her",
">\n\ndead kid walking\nmom will get a slap on the wrist, at some point the courts will agree to a reunification plan, mom gets kid back\nmom and her boyfriend beat kid to death after starving it and abusing it for it's short miserable life",
">\n\nThat is such an extremely disgusting act to do. Baby deserves better than that.",
">\n\nSomeone is about to lose her parental rights.",
">\n\nI really wish I never clicked on this post. Not everyone is fit to be a parent.",
">\n\nThe charges aren’t severe enough. “Endangering the welfare?” A kick from an adult can kill a one year old baby…\nShe needs to go to prison for good.",
">\n\nI expect a lot of stories like this over the next decade as abortion restrictions lead to people who aren't prepared for kids to become parents.",
">\n\nCan we not link everything that and instead focus on the fact this a shitty person instead?",
">\n\nok and abortion reduces the number of shitty people having children. it is all related.",
">\n\nThere is no guarantee shitty people would go about it. They still have to want to do it during a very limited window.",
">\n\nJust pure numbers, more abortions mean at least one less shitty person having kids",
">\n\nJust read the article, I hope the baby is safe, taken out of her custody permanently, and this vile bitch is spayed like a stray dog and thrown into jail for 5-7 years. (I'm aware that won't happen) Fucking worst type of human. Disgusting and reprehensible behavior.",
">\n\nWatch the downfall of Mankind: Go to r/publicfreakout search \"WalMart\"... \"Waffle House\", \"MacDonald's\" and \"Starbucks\" will suffice also.",
">\n\nI can't be the only who thinks it's interesting as a society we have to take have qualifications for certain jobs but to be a parent.. fuck it, you don't need training at all.. seems a little fucked up",
">\n\nThere are evil assholes in this thread saying that people have a god-given right to have, kill, barbecue and eat their own children. They claim it's \"freedom from state over-reach\", but it means they want to kill, barbecue and eat children with zero consequences. Child abuse is common in this world. My own father beat me until I put him in the hospital and then never saw him again. These assholes want to make sure fathers are allowed to beat their children freely, and that any child who defends themself is punished. Fuck those people!\nThe state has a role in protecting children. And anyone against it is an enemy of decency.",
">\n\nPaterson, NJ. No surprise....",
">\n\nThe surprise is it’s not Florida.",
">\n\nAnother baby mama loses her child. Don't worry; she'll make more.",
">\n\nThat is not a mom, this is a piece of trash that let some guy rawdog her.",
">\n\nSpay her and lock her up for ten years. In no way should she ever be in a position to bring more children into the world to abuse. \nWhat hasn't been caught on camera in this woman's home? What emotional damage has already been inflicted prior that might not be able to be fixed?",
">\n\nLike the quokka, shoplifters are known to throw their offspring down to bait predators and increase the chances of escape.",
">\n\nPrison and throw away the key",
">\n\nBruh that’s a rough 23 😬",
">\n\nSo a typical Walmart outing",
">\n\nI think this is the appropriate use of the phrase \"that woman is a cunt\".",
">\n\nLast minute effort to clinch the Mother of the Year Award?",
">\n\nThe Quokka defense rarely works for humans.",
">\n\nSo… another normal day at any American Walmart then?",
">\n\nFrankly the supreme court really messed us all up. But what we have here is someone that is obviously to unstable to be a parent.",
">\n\nWould be really hard to watch this and not punch that cunt in the face repeatedly. Maybe a kick or two as well.",
">\n\nIf she’s willing to do that in public, I can’t even fathom what she would do to that child at home.",
">\n\nThey call this a Soccer mom.",
">\n\nThrow her trashy ass in jail",
">\n\nI read stuff like this and realize some people aren’t worthy of living. Hope the kid turns out alright because she’s not worthy of anything.",
">\n\nThe cycle continues for that family. Always remember you can be the one to change things but it takes patience which I think is something that should be stressed a lot more but isn't. If you don't have patience then you won't be able to deal with a screaming 1-year-old. It's that simple.",
">\n\n\"Kick the baby!\" - Kyle Broflovski",
">\n\nThis is a horrifically damaged person. In no way do I excuse her abuse of this poor little baby, though.",
">\n\nYes, yes, bad mother, poor child and all that. Clearly this lady has some issues and very likely needs professional psychiatric help. Or maybe she's just a narcissistic, entitled asshole. Either way she should've never been saddled with a child.",
">\n\ni wish you weren't being downvoted, because obviously this woman has some issues, and the age of the child indicates that it could be postpartum depression, which is not nothing. or, like you said, she could just be an asshole. \nscreaming and punching a wall because a baby was crying? that is definitely not normal. obviously it's horrible that the baby has been abused, and thankfully it is physically okay from this assault, but the mom obviously needs help.",
">\n\nYeah, people in this thread are clamoring for her to be thrown in jail but that really isnt gonna solve anything (shed probably come out worse).\nShes clearly not all there.",
">\n\nand i'm getting downvoted for saying she needs help, lol what.",
">\n\nYou're being down voted for worrying about the wrong person. The child is the one that needs compassion. The abusers needs are less important.",
">\n\nMost Walmart sentence ever.",
">\n\nI obviously know nothing of this woman and her history but uncharacteristic rage and unfortunately in some cases violent outbursts can be a sign of postpartum depression. Hormones can do crazy things.",
">\n\nYou and her both need to walk into traffic",
">\n\nSeems like a solid way to deal with mental illness? Postpartum depression is a very real thing and can make people act in uncharacteristic ways.",
">\n\nQueue up the Janes Addiction",
">\n\nSay what you mean.",
">\n\nIt’s right there ^",
">\n\nI guess you got too embarrassed or downvoted and deleted it right after that comment eh?",
">\n\nNope. It’s all right there still.",
">\n\nIt says deleted clear as day, but alright. I’ll just look up the edits because I’m curious.",
">\n\nNothing was deleted by me and still shows so 🤷🏻♂️",
">\n\nThis isn’t fucking news Jesus Christ",
">\n\nAm I the only one whose second thought after “how can you do that to your baby” was “why is this article especially the headline putting shoplifting on the same level with doing that to your baby?”\nI’m not one of those people who thinks shoplifting is cool or whatever but…this is some really blatant “arson, murder, and jaywalking” stuff.",
">\n\nHow is the headline putting the crimes on the same level? It's literally just the events that happened, a mom who was shoplifting kicked her baby after being caught. The headline is not trying to equate assaulting a baby with shoplifting.",
">\n\nIt mentioned the shoplifting before kicking the baby (really burying the lede there).",
">\n\nBecause it happened during a confrontation with security guards.",
">\n\nIsn’t shopping at Walmart in itself shoplifting?",
">\n\nI can't imagine that the others in that room would have a very different story. Let's hear your defense of this woman's actions."
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Look back and point to the statement that “blames police” for me.
Of course it’s the “information at hand”; they have a vested interest in making it available.
I’m literally saying “you only have one side of the argument” and you (and many others) are downvoting for even suggesting that very thing.
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"That website is giving my browser cancer so here's the text for anyone else who can't get it to load properly.\n\nTETERBORO — A mother kicked her baby daughter and sent the child careening across the floor after shoplifting from Walmart, according to police.\nJamira McDaniel, 23, of Paterson, was caught stealing at the supercenter in Teterboro by Walmart theft protection personnel on Tuesday, Moonachie Police Lt. Jeff Napolitano confirmed to New Jersey 101.5.\nMcDaniel was with her 1-year-old girl and the child's aunt.\nAfter she was taken to the store's security office, McDaniel placed the baby girl on the ground and kicked her in the back, Napolitano said. The toddler was sent across the floor and into the security office.\nAccording to Napolitano, the incident was caught on security cameras. He said video of the kick was turned over to Bergen County court but was not yet publicly available.\nThe theft protection workers then picked up the inconsolable child, handed her to McDaniel's sister, and called the police.\n\"McDaniel, upset by the girl who was now screaming and crying while being held by her aunt, began punching walls and yelling for the baby to stop crying,\" Napolitano explained. \"McDaniel also grabbed the baby and began to shake her while she was being held by her aunt.\"\nMoonachie cops soon arrived at the store and called an ambulance to evaluate the baby. Fortunately, first responders found the child was uninjured.\nThe mother is charged with endangering the welfare of a child, assault, shoplifting, and criminal mischief, according to Napolitano.\nMcDaniel was sent to Bergen County jail, which is where she remains as of Wednesday evening. The aunt was not charged and the child was given to family members.\n\nGod help that poor baby.",
">\n\nSome people really need to not have kids",
">\n\nMore people should have abortions. If someone cannot or doesn’t want to raise a child abortion should be the first choice. Bringing children into this world only for them to suffer is awful. So many wind up in the foster system and no one adopts them then they age out. Then you have adults who have no family or resources and continue to suffer. \nAnytime someone says abortion is bad and they should just birth the child and give it up for adoption should be required to take one of those children into their homes. \nCausing unwavering suffering of another living being is immoral.",
">\n\nI absolutely agree but there is also a large subset of people that WANT to have kids but are still completely awful parents.",
">\n\nHence, the reverse abortion! A simple way to solve these issues",
">\n\nWhat's a reverse abortion? Shoving the child back up the coochie and into the uterus?? \nMaybe I'm just super dumb today and drank too much or too little coffee, but I really don't know what a reverse abortion would be. \nAm I going to feel really stupid when you tell me? If so, that's ok, just tell me anyway, I'm used to feeling stupid.",
">\n\nInstead of aborting babies, abort the parents",
">\n\nCan you legally abort a baby after 18 years?",
">\n\nSometimes I ask my mom if she would feel comfortable having a 124th trimester abortion. My brother is not working out.",
">\n\nReading that article, it sounds like being a shoplifter is the best thing about her.",
">\n\nWhen my kids were little I found it almost impossible to read articles like this. They would stick with me for days or weeks. \nI really hope that baby ends up in a loving home because game fucking over for mom.",
">\n\nI have a 1½‐year-old and reading this makes me want to cry.",
">\n\nSame. I just can’t read anything like this, it’s so horrifying. And I just hold my kiddo and cry and then be sad I can’t love all the babies and protect them all. \nKids are just so freaking pure and good and they just want to be loved and safe like that’s it man. How could you do something to something so innocent?",
">\n\nReading your comment, in contrast to OP’s horror inducing title, legit just brought a tear to my eye. Makes me hug my kiddos extra just thinking about it!",
">\n\nIf she kicks and shakes the baby in public, I can’t imagine what she does to that poor child at home. Disgusting woman.",
">\n\nAbortion should be legal so we can make sure this woman never existed.",
">\n\nWe should be able to abort the mother in this instance.",
">\n\nThat’s… that’s what he just inferred",
">\n\nDoesn't hurt to drive the point home",
">\n\nYou see horrible parenting in a walmart any day, but this is is, I think, the worst I've heard of. I hope she doesn't get that poor kid back.",
">\n\nUnfortunately, in this circumstance, it's better for her to do this shit in public and get caught so the baby (and other possible kids) gets taken away. If that's what she does in public, imagine what she does behind closed doors.",
">\n\nHoly fuck, Adblock on Firefox shows 450+ blocked on that website alone???",
">\n\nNow do you see why everyone on reddit is losing their mind over the news that Chrome is preventing ad block.\nIf you haven't switched to Firefox or something else, you might want to start test driving a few browsers because good LORD you have no idea how bad things are without ad block.",
">\n\nPiece of trash. Even reading the article boils my blood.",
">\n\nDefinitely r/iamatotalpieceofshit material",
">\n\nThank god she showed her true abusive colours while on camera and in front of everyone. Now the kid will be protected from her and serious injury/trauma prevented.",
">\n\nI hope this baby finds her way to a loving and caring mother, and I hope this lady gets the mental help she needs.",
">\n\nYea and maybe my mom will quit drinking and my dad will come home.",
">\n\nHope is sometimes all we have",
">\n\nMy best friend’s mom was a foster parent for many years. She was well known by DFACS for taking in their most difficult cases, children of severe abuse, often arriving in the middle of the night with nothing more than the clothes on their backs. She didn’t have a lot of money, bit she somehow made due for all of the kids. She was practical and no nonsense, pragmatic and loving. I learned a lot about how to stretch a dollar to make struggle meals from her. Full bellies and full hearts.\nWhen I was a new mother, she was my lifeline. I knew nothing about babies and she patiently taught me what I needed to know. She talked me through my son’s first bath over the telephone, I was exhausted from lack of sleep because my baby had severe colic. And, Ms S would gather him into her arms and rock him in her special creaky rocking chair. And, he fell into a blissful and untroubled sleep. She was truly a baby whisperer. \nHer heart and soul were devoted to children who were victims of horrific abuse. She took in a toddler who had spent much of his young life living in a cage. He was non verbal and unable to walk. After several years, she brought him up to nearly his age level. He was walking and verbal. The state stepped in and returned him to his newly “reformed” mother.\nHe was returned to Ms S a year later, with severe setbacks. She did everything that she could for this boy. Bit, when the state took him back again, she was done. Eventually, her remaining kids aged out of the system.\nAnyway, long ass story. Please forgive me for this. I’m just thinking about the little girl from this story and hoping that she lands in the lap of a Ms S in a special creaky rocking chair and comes to know comfort from a truly caring person and never has to be returned to an uncaring and abusive ”mother”.\nRIP Ms S for being the only real mom to many kids and for being a very special Grandmom to my kids . Never forgotten and always remembered.",
">\n\nCool story man. She sounds like a fantastic person",
">\n\nI swear i think i live next to this woman... Always screaming and swearing at her kids at the top of her lungs...",
">\n\nCall cps. Lived in a similar situation awhile back. I was afraid to call, wish I would be called earlier looking back at it.",
">\n\nDealt with CPS as a child growing up. They don’t care. My parents would have gone to jail had i been an animal and they were just as abusive. Especially if the child has no other family nearby to take em.",
">\n\nSounds awful for you. Im really sorry. As far as CPS goes I didn’t know what else do to, any ideas in case I find myself in a similar situation?\nNot too long after I called they moved out in the middle of the night and left their dog behind. Wish they would have left the kids wouldve adopted them too. \nHope you’re doing good now internet stranger.",
">\n\nShe obviously can't be trusted with her child, but I hope she gets the help that she clearly needs.",
">\n\nShe obviously hates the child and doesn't know how to take care of it so it should be taken and given to somebody who can take care of it and appreciate it. \nIt really makes me sick that there's people out there that struggle to get pregnant and want so desperately to have babies... And then you have this woman who decides to use her baby like a football. 🙄",
">\n\nYeah I hear kangaroos will throw their babies out to escape",
">\n\nI’m not advocating for violence, but the blunt end of a shingler’s hatchet works wonders as an attitude-correction tool.",
">\n\nThat's very Walmart of her",
">\n\ndead kid walking\nmom will get a slap on the wrist, at some point the courts will agree to a reunification plan, mom gets kid back\nmom and her boyfriend beat kid to death after starving it and abusing it for it's short miserable life",
">\n\nThat is such an extremely disgusting act to do. Baby deserves better than that.",
">\n\nSomeone is about to lose her parental rights.",
">\n\nI really wish I never clicked on this post. Not everyone is fit to be a parent.",
">\n\nThe charges aren’t severe enough. “Endangering the welfare?” A kick from an adult can kill a one year old baby…\nShe needs to go to prison for good.",
">\n\nI expect a lot of stories like this over the next decade as abortion restrictions lead to people who aren't prepared for kids to become parents.",
">\n\nCan we not link everything that and instead focus on the fact this a shitty person instead?",
">\n\nok and abortion reduces the number of shitty people having children. it is all related.",
">\n\nThere is no guarantee shitty people would go about it. They still have to want to do it during a very limited window.",
">\n\nJust pure numbers, more abortions mean at least one less shitty person having kids",
">\n\nJust read the article, I hope the baby is safe, taken out of her custody permanently, and this vile bitch is spayed like a stray dog and thrown into jail for 5-7 years. (I'm aware that won't happen) Fucking worst type of human. Disgusting and reprehensible behavior.",
">\n\nWatch the downfall of Mankind: Go to r/publicfreakout search \"WalMart\"... \"Waffle House\", \"MacDonald's\" and \"Starbucks\" will suffice also.",
">\n\nI can't be the only who thinks it's interesting as a society we have to take have qualifications for certain jobs but to be a parent.. fuck it, you don't need training at all.. seems a little fucked up",
">\n\nThere are evil assholes in this thread saying that people have a god-given right to have, kill, barbecue and eat their own children. They claim it's \"freedom from state over-reach\", but it means they want to kill, barbecue and eat children with zero consequences. Child abuse is common in this world. My own father beat me until I put him in the hospital and then never saw him again. These assholes want to make sure fathers are allowed to beat their children freely, and that any child who defends themself is punished. Fuck those people!\nThe state has a role in protecting children. And anyone against it is an enemy of decency.",
">\n\nPaterson, NJ. No surprise....",
">\n\nThe surprise is it’s not Florida.",
">\n\nAnother baby mama loses her child. Don't worry; she'll make more.",
">\n\nThat is not a mom, this is a piece of trash that let some guy rawdog her.",
">\n\nSpay her and lock her up for ten years. In no way should she ever be in a position to bring more children into the world to abuse. \nWhat hasn't been caught on camera in this woman's home? What emotional damage has already been inflicted prior that might not be able to be fixed?",
">\n\nLike the quokka, shoplifters are known to throw their offspring down to bait predators and increase the chances of escape.",
">\n\nPrison and throw away the key",
">\n\nBruh that’s a rough 23 😬",
">\n\nSo a typical Walmart outing",
">\n\nI think this is the appropriate use of the phrase \"that woman is a cunt\".",
">\n\nLast minute effort to clinch the Mother of the Year Award?",
">\n\nThe Quokka defense rarely works for humans.",
">\n\nSo… another normal day at any American Walmart then?",
">\n\nFrankly the supreme court really messed us all up. But what we have here is someone that is obviously to unstable to be a parent.",
">\n\nWould be really hard to watch this and not punch that cunt in the face repeatedly. Maybe a kick or two as well.",
">\n\nIf she’s willing to do that in public, I can’t even fathom what she would do to that child at home.",
">\n\nThey call this a Soccer mom.",
">\n\nThrow her trashy ass in jail",
">\n\nI read stuff like this and realize some people aren’t worthy of living. Hope the kid turns out alright because she’s not worthy of anything.",
">\n\nThe cycle continues for that family. Always remember you can be the one to change things but it takes patience which I think is something that should be stressed a lot more but isn't. If you don't have patience then you won't be able to deal with a screaming 1-year-old. It's that simple.",
">\n\n\"Kick the baby!\" - Kyle Broflovski",
">\n\nThis is a horrifically damaged person. In no way do I excuse her abuse of this poor little baby, though.",
">\n\nYes, yes, bad mother, poor child and all that. Clearly this lady has some issues and very likely needs professional psychiatric help. Or maybe she's just a narcissistic, entitled asshole. Either way she should've never been saddled with a child.",
">\n\ni wish you weren't being downvoted, because obviously this woman has some issues, and the age of the child indicates that it could be postpartum depression, which is not nothing. or, like you said, she could just be an asshole. \nscreaming and punching a wall because a baby was crying? that is definitely not normal. obviously it's horrible that the baby has been abused, and thankfully it is physically okay from this assault, but the mom obviously needs help.",
">\n\nYeah, people in this thread are clamoring for her to be thrown in jail but that really isnt gonna solve anything (shed probably come out worse).\nShes clearly not all there.",
">\n\nand i'm getting downvoted for saying she needs help, lol what.",
">\n\nYou're being down voted for worrying about the wrong person. The child is the one that needs compassion. The abusers needs are less important.",
">\n\nMost Walmart sentence ever.",
">\n\nI obviously know nothing of this woman and her history but uncharacteristic rage and unfortunately in some cases violent outbursts can be a sign of postpartum depression. Hormones can do crazy things.",
">\n\nYou and her both need to walk into traffic",
">\n\nSeems like a solid way to deal with mental illness? Postpartum depression is a very real thing and can make people act in uncharacteristic ways.",
">\n\nQueue up the Janes Addiction",
">\n\nSay what you mean.",
">\n\nIt’s right there ^",
">\n\nI guess you got too embarrassed or downvoted and deleted it right after that comment eh?",
">\n\nNope. It’s all right there still.",
">\n\nIt says deleted clear as day, but alright. I’ll just look up the edits because I’m curious.",
">\n\nNothing was deleted by me and still shows so 🤷🏻♂️",
">\n\nThis isn’t fucking news Jesus Christ",
">\n\nAm I the only one whose second thought after “how can you do that to your baby” was “why is this article especially the headline putting shoplifting on the same level with doing that to your baby?”\nI’m not one of those people who thinks shoplifting is cool or whatever but…this is some really blatant “arson, murder, and jaywalking” stuff.",
">\n\nHow is the headline putting the crimes on the same level? It's literally just the events that happened, a mom who was shoplifting kicked her baby after being caught. The headline is not trying to equate assaulting a baby with shoplifting.",
">\n\nIt mentioned the shoplifting before kicking the baby (really burying the lede there).",
">\n\nBecause it happened during a confrontation with security guards.",
">\n\nIsn’t shopping at Walmart in itself shoplifting?",
">\n\nI can't imagine that the others in that room would have a very different story. Let's hear your defense of this woman's actions.",
">\n\nBecause at the moment, that's what makes the most sense given the information at hand.\nYou, on the other hand, are going exactly the opposite direction. You're essentially blaming the police without any evidence.\nHow about we all wait for now information before passing any judgement on anyone?"
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Why give police the benefit of the doubt?
Why give the police version the benefit of the doubt?
Stating that twice really makes you look like you're saying the police are the problem, here. The police weren't involved at the start. The article says they were called later. Have you reason to doubt that part of the story? Do you think they were there from the start and that they made her kick the baby? Or maybe that a cop did that and they are trying to blame it on her to absolve themselves? In front of the witnesses at the scene? It's a leap that didn't make sense to me. Unless you have more information than is in the article...
I find the information in the article, as presented, a reasonable place to start. If I see more coming out of this in coming days that showed the police did something wrong, I'll most certainly consider what's reported then.
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"That website is giving my browser cancer so here's the text for anyone else who can't get it to load properly.\n\nTETERBORO — A mother kicked her baby daughter and sent the child careening across the floor after shoplifting from Walmart, according to police.\nJamira McDaniel, 23, of Paterson, was caught stealing at the supercenter in Teterboro by Walmart theft protection personnel on Tuesday, Moonachie Police Lt. Jeff Napolitano confirmed to New Jersey 101.5.\nMcDaniel was with her 1-year-old girl and the child's aunt.\nAfter she was taken to the store's security office, McDaniel placed the baby girl on the ground and kicked her in the back, Napolitano said. The toddler was sent across the floor and into the security office.\nAccording to Napolitano, the incident was caught on security cameras. He said video of the kick was turned over to Bergen County court but was not yet publicly available.\nThe theft protection workers then picked up the inconsolable child, handed her to McDaniel's sister, and called the police.\n\"McDaniel, upset by the girl who was now screaming and crying while being held by her aunt, began punching walls and yelling for the baby to stop crying,\" Napolitano explained. \"McDaniel also grabbed the baby and began to shake her while she was being held by her aunt.\"\nMoonachie cops soon arrived at the store and called an ambulance to evaluate the baby. Fortunately, first responders found the child was uninjured.\nThe mother is charged with endangering the welfare of a child, assault, shoplifting, and criminal mischief, according to Napolitano.\nMcDaniel was sent to Bergen County jail, which is where she remains as of Wednesday evening. The aunt was not charged and the child was given to family members.\n\nGod help that poor baby.",
">\n\nSome people really need to not have kids",
">\n\nMore people should have abortions. If someone cannot or doesn’t want to raise a child abortion should be the first choice. Bringing children into this world only for them to suffer is awful. So many wind up in the foster system and no one adopts them then they age out. Then you have adults who have no family or resources and continue to suffer. \nAnytime someone says abortion is bad and they should just birth the child and give it up for adoption should be required to take one of those children into their homes. \nCausing unwavering suffering of another living being is immoral.",
">\n\nI absolutely agree but there is also a large subset of people that WANT to have kids but are still completely awful parents.",
">\n\nHence, the reverse abortion! A simple way to solve these issues",
">\n\nWhat's a reverse abortion? Shoving the child back up the coochie and into the uterus?? \nMaybe I'm just super dumb today and drank too much or too little coffee, but I really don't know what a reverse abortion would be. \nAm I going to feel really stupid when you tell me? If so, that's ok, just tell me anyway, I'm used to feeling stupid.",
">\n\nInstead of aborting babies, abort the parents",
">\n\nCan you legally abort a baby after 18 years?",
">\n\nSometimes I ask my mom if she would feel comfortable having a 124th trimester abortion. My brother is not working out.",
">\n\nReading that article, it sounds like being a shoplifter is the best thing about her.",
">\n\nWhen my kids were little I found it almost impossible to read articles like this. They would stick with me for days or weeks. \nI really hope that baby ends up in a loving home because game fucking over for mom.",
">\n\nI have a 1½‐year-old and reading this makes me want to cry.",
">\n\nSame. I just can’t read anything like this, it’s so horrifying. And I just hold my kiddo and cry and then be sad I can’t love all the babies and protect them all. \nKids are just so freaking pure and good and they just want to be loved and safe like that’s it man. How could you do something to something so innocent?",
">\n\nReading your comment, in contrast to OP’s horror inducing title, legit just brought a tear to my eye. Makes me hug my kiddos extra just thinking about it!",
">\n\nIf she kicks and shakes the baby in public, I can’t imagine what she does to that poor child at home. Disgusting woman.",
">\n\nAbortion should be legal so we can make sure this woman never existed.",
">\n\nWe should be able to abort the mother in this instance.",
">\n\nThat’s… that’s what he just inferred",
">\n\nDoesn't hurt to drive the point home",
">\n\nYou see horrible parenting in a walmart any day, but this is is, I think, the worst I've heard of. I hope she doesn't get that poor kid back.",
">\n\nUnfortunately, in this circumstance, it's better for her to do this shit in public and get caught so the baby (and other possible kids) gets taken away. If that's what she does in public, imagine what she does behind closed doors.",
">\n\nHoly fuck, Adblock on Firefox shows 450+ blocked on that website alone???",
">\n\nNow do you see why everyone on reddit is losing their mind over the news that Chrome is preventing ad block.\nIf you haven't switched to Firefox or something else, you might want to start test driving a few browsers because good LORD you have no idea how bad things are without ad block.",
">\n\nPiece of trash. Even reading the article boils my blood.",
">\n\nDefinitely r/iamatotalpieceofshit material",
">\n\nThank god she showed her true abusive colours while on camera and in front of everyone. Now the kid will be protected from her and serious injury/trauma prevented.",
">\n\nI hope this baby finds her way to a loving and caring mother, and I hope this lady gets the mental help she needs.",
">\n\nYea and maybe my mom will quit drinking and my dad will come home.",
">\n\nHope is sometimes all we have",
">\n\nMy best friend’s mom was a foster parent for many years. She was well known by DFACS for taking in their most difficult cases, children of severe abuse, often arriving in the middle of the night with nothing more than the clothes on their backs. She didn’t have a lot of money, bit she somehow made due for all of the kids. She was practical and no nonsense, pragmatic and loving. I learned a lot about how to stretch a dollar to make struggle meals from her. Full bellies and full hearts.\nWhen I was a new mother, she was my lifeline. I knew nothing about babies and she patiently taught me what I needed to know. She talked me through my son’s first bath over the telephone, I was exhausted from lack of sleep because my baby had severe colic. And, Ms S would gather him into her arms and rock him in her special creaky rocking chair. And, he fell into a blissful and untroubled sleep. She was truly a baby whisperer. \nHer heart and soul were devoted to children who were victims of horrific abuse. She took in a toddler who had spent much of his young life living in a cage. He was non verbal and unable to walk. After several years, she brought him up to nearly his age level. He was walking and verbal. The state stepped in and returned him to his newly “reformed” mother.\nHe was returned to Ms S a year later, with severe setbacks. She did everything that she could for this boy. Bit, when the state took him back again, she was done. Eventually, her remaining kids aged out of the system.\nAnyway, long ass story. Please forgive me for this. I’m just thinking about the little girl from this story and hoping that she lands in the lap of a Ms S in a special creaky rocking chair and comes to know comfort from a truly caring person and never has to be returned to an uncaring and abusive ”mother”.\nRIP Ms S for being the only real mom to many kids and for being a very special Grandmom to my kids . Never forgotten and always remembered.",
">\n\nCool story man. She sounds like a fantastic person",
">\n\nI swear i think i live next to this woman... Always screaming and swearing at her kids at the top of her lungs...",
">\n\nCall cps. Lived in a similar situation awhile back. I was afraid to call, wish I would be called earlier looking back at it.",
">\n\nDealt with CPS as a child growing up. They don’t care. My parents would have gone to jail had i been an animal and they were just as abusive. Especially if the child has no other family nearby to take em.",
">\n\nSounds awful for you. Im really sorry. As far as CPS goes I didn’t know what else do to, any ideas in case I find myself in a similar situation?\nNot too long after I called they moved out in the middle of the night and left their dog behind. Wish they would have left the kids wouldve adopted them too. \nHope you’re doing good now internet stranger.",
">\n\nShe obviously can't be trusted with her child, but I hope she gets the help that she clearly needs.",
">\n\nShe obviously hates the child and doesn't know how to take care of it so it should be taken and given to somebody who can take care of it and appreciate it. \nIt really makes me sick that there's people out there that struggle to get pregnant and want so desperately to have babies... And then you have this woman who decides to use her baby like a football. 🙄",
">\n\nYeah I hear kangaroos will throw their babies out to escape",
">\n\nI’m not advocating for violence, but the blunt end of a shingler’s hatchet works wonders as an attitude-correction tool.",
">\n\nThat's very Walmart of her",
">\n\ndead kid walking\nmom will get a slap on the wrist, at some point the courts will agree to a reunification plan, mom gets kid back\nmom and her boyfriend beat kid to death after starving it and abusing it for it's short miserable life",
">\n\nThat is such an extremely disgusting act to do. Baby deserves better than that.",
">\n\nSomeone is about to lose her parental rights.",
">\n\nI really wish I never clicked on this post. Not everyone is fit to be a parent.",
">\n\nThe charges aren’t severe enough. “Endangering the welfare?” A kick from an adult can kill a one year old baby…\nShe needs to go to prison for good.",
">\n\nI expect a lot of stories like this over the next decade as abortion restrictions lead to people who aren't prepared for kids to become parents.",
">\n\nCan we not link everything that and instead focus on the fact this a shitty person instead?",
">\n\nok and abortion reduces the number of shitty people having children. it is all related.",
">\n\nThere is no guarantee shitty people would go about it. They still have to want to do it during a very limited window.",
">\n\nJust pure numbers, more abortions mean at least one less shitty person having kids",
">\n\nJust read the article, I hope the baby is safe, taken out of her custody permanently, and this vile bitch is spayed like a stray dog and thrown into jail for 5-7 years. (I'm aware that won't happen) Fucking worst type of human. Disgusting and reprehensible behavior.",
">\n\nWatch the downfall of Mankind: Go to r/publicfreakout search \"WalMart\"... \"Waffle House\", \"MacDonald's\" and \"Starbucks\" will suffice also.",
">\n\nI can't be the only who thinks it's interesting as a society we have to take have qualifications for certain jobs but to be a parent.. fuck it, you don't need training at all.. seems a little fucked up",
">\n\nThere are evil assholes in this thread saying that people have a god-given right to have, kill, barbecue and eat their own children. They claim it's \"freedom from state over-reach\", but it means they want to kill, barbecue and eat children with zero consequences. Child abuse is common in this world. My own father beat me until I put him in the hospital and then never saw him again. These assholes want to make sure fathers are allowed to beat their children freely, and that any child who defends themself is punished. Fuck those people!\nThe state has a role in protecting children. And anyone against it is an enemy of decency.",
">\n\nPaterson, NJ. No surprise....",
">\n\nThe surprise is it’s not Florida.",
">\n\nAnother baby mama loses her child. Don't worry; she'll make more.",
">\n\nThat is not a mom, this is a piece of trash that let some guy rawdog her.",
">\n\nSpay her and lock her up for ten years. In no way should she ever be in a position to bring more children into the world to abuse. \nWhat hasn't been caught on camera in this woman's home? What emotional damage has already been inflicted prior that might not be able to be fixed?",
">\n\nLike the quokka, shoplifters are known to throw their offspring down to bait predators and increase the chances of escape.",
">\n\nPrison and throw away the key",
">\n\nBruh that’s a rough 23 😬",
">\n\nSo a typical Walmart outing",
">\n\nI think this is the appropriate use of the phrase \"that woman is a cunt\".",
">\n\nLast minute effort to clinch the Mother of the Year Award?",
">\n\nThe Quokka defense rarely works for humans.",
">\n\nSo… another normal day at any American Walmart then?",
">\n\nFrankly the supreme court really messed us all up. But what we have here is someone that is obviously to unstable to be a parent.",
">\n\nWould be really hard to watch this and not punch that cunt in the face repeatedly. Maybe a kick or two as well.",
">\n\nIf she’s willing to do that in public, I can’t even fathom what she would do to that child at home.",
">\n\nThey call this a Soccer mom.",
">\n\nThrow her trashy ass in jail",
">\n\nI read stuff like this and realize some people aren’t worthy of living. Hope the kid turns out alright because she’s not worthy of anything.",
">\n\nThe cycle continues for that family. Always remember you can be the one to change things but it takes patience which I think is something that should be stressed a lot more but isn't. If you don't have patience then you won't be able to deal with a screaming 1-year-old. It's that simple.",
">\n\n\"Kick the baby!\" - Kyle Broflovski",
">\n\nThis is a horrifically damaged person. In no way do I excuse her abuse of this poor little baby, though.",
">\n\nYes, yes, bad mother, poor child and all that. Clearly this lady has some issues and very likely needs professional psychiatric help. Or maybe she's just a narcissistic, entitled asshole. Either way she should've never been saddled with a child.",
">\n\ni wish you weren't being downvoted, because obviously this woman has some issues, and the age of the child indicates that it could be postpartum depression, which is not nothing. or, like you said, she could just be an asshole. \nscreaming and punching a wall because a baby was crying? that is definitely not normal. obviously it's horrible that the baby has been abused, and thankfully it is physically okay from this assault, but the mom obviously needs help.",
">\n\nYeah, people in this thread are clamoring for her to be thrown in jail but that really isnt gonna solve anything (shed probably come out worse).\nShes clearly not all there.",
">\n\nand i'm getting downvoted for saying she needs help, lol what.",
">\n\nYou're being down voted for worrying about the wrong person. The child is the one that needs compassion. The abusers needs are less important.",
">\n\nMost Walmart sentence ever.",
">\n\nI obviously know nothing of this woman and her history but uncharacteristic rage and unfortunately in some cases violent outbursts can be a sign of postpartum depression. Hormones can do crazy things.",
">\n\nYou and her both need to walk into traffic",
">\n\nSeems like a solid way to deal with mental illness? Postpartum depression is a very real thing and can make people act in uncharacteristic ways.",
">\n\nQueue up the Janes Addiction",
">\n\nSay what you mean.",
">\n\nIt’s right there ^",
">\n\nI guess you got too embarrassed or downvoted and deleted it right after that comment eh?",
">\n\nNope. It’s all right there still.",
">\n\nIt says deleted clear as day, but alright. I’ll just look up the edits because I’m curious.",
">\n\nNothing was deleted by me and still shows so 🤷🏻♂️",
">\n\nThis isn’t fucking news Jesus Christ",
">\n\nAm I the only one whose second thought after “how can you do that to your baby” was “why is this article especially the headline putting shoplifting on the same level with doing that to your baby?”\nI’m not one of those people who thinks shoplifting is cool or whatever but…this is some really blatant “arson, murder, and jaywalking” stuff.",
">\n\nHow is the headline putting the crimes on the same level? It's literally just the events that happened, a mom who was shoplifting kicked her baby after being caught. The headline is not trying to equate assaulting a baby with shoplifting.",
">\n\nIt mentioned the shoplifting before kicking the baby (really burying the lede there).",
">\n\nBecause it happened during a confrontation with security guards.",
">\n\nIsn’t shopping at Walmart in itself shoplifting?",
">\n\nI can't imagine that the others in that room would have a very different story. Let's hear your defense of this woman's actions.",
">\n\nBecause at the moment, that's what makes the most sense given the information at hand.\nYou, on the other hand, are going exactly the opposite direction. You're essentially blaming the police without any evidence.\nHow about we all wait for now information before passing any judgement on anyone?",
">\n\nLook back and point to the statement that “blames police” for me.\nOf course it’s the “information at hand”; they have a vested interest in making it available.\nI’m literally saying “you only have one side of the argument” and you (and many others) are downvoting for even suggesting that very thing."
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At least be honest.
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"That website is giving my browser cancer so here's the text for anyone else who can't get it to load properly.\n\nTETERBORO — A mother kicked her baby daughter and sent the child careening across the floor after shoplifting from Walmart, according to police.\nJamira McDaniel, 23, of Paterson, was caught stealing at the supercenter in Teterboro by Walmart theft protection personnel on Tuesday, Moonachie Police Lt. Jeff Napolitano confirmed to New Jersey 101.5.\nMcDaniel was with her 1-year-old girl and the child's aunt.\nAfter she was taken to the store's security office, McDaniel placed the baby girl on the ground and kicked her in the back, Napolitano said. The toddler was sent across the floor and into the security office.\nAccording to Napolitano, the incident was caught on security cameras. He said video of the kick was turned over to Bergen County court but was not yet publicly available.\nThe theft protection workers then picked up the inconsolable child, handed her to McDaniel's sister, and called the police.\n\"McDaniel, upset by the girl who was now screaming and crying while being held by her aunt, began punching walls and yelling for the baby to stop crying,\" Napolitano explained. \"McDaniel also grabbed the baby and began to shake her while she was being held by her aunt.\"\nMoonachie cops soon arrived at the store and called an ambulance to evaluate the baby. Fortunately, first responders found the child was uninjured.\nThe mother is charged with endangering the welfare of a child, assault, shoplifting, and criminal mischief, according to Napolitano.\nMcDaniel was sent to Bergen County jail, which is where she remains as of Wednesday evening. The aunt was not charged and the child was given to family members.\n\nGod help that poor baby.",
">\n\nSome people really need to not have kids",
">\n\nMore people should have abortions. If someone cannot or doesn’t want to raise a child abortion should be the first choice. Bringing children into this world only for them to suffer is awful. So many wind up in the foster system and no one adopts them then they age out. Then you have adults who have no family or resources and continue to suffer. \nAnytime someone says abortion is bad and they should just birth the child and give it up for adoption should be required to take one of those children into their homes. \nCausing unwavering suffering of another living being is immoral.",
">\n\nI absolutely agree but there is also a large subset of people that WANT to have kids but are still completely awful parents.",
">\n\nHence, the reverse abortion! A simple way to solve these issues",
">\n\nWhat's a reverse abortion? Shoving the child back up the coochie and into the uterus?? \nMaybe I'm just super dumb today and drank too much or too little coffee, but I really don't know what a reverse abortion would be. \nAm I going to feel really stupid when you tell me? If so, that's ok, just tell me anyway, I'm used to feeling stupid.",
">\n\nInstead of aborting babies, abort the parents",
">\n\nCan you legally abort a baby after 18 years?",
">\n\nSometimes I ask my mom if she would feel comfortable having a 124th trimester abortion. My brother is not working out.",
">\n\nReading that article, it sounds like being a shoplifter is the best thing about her.",
">\n\nWhen my kids were little I found it almost impossible to read articles like this. They would stick with me for days or weeks. \nI really hope that baby ends up in a loving home because game fucking over for mom.",
">\n\nI have a 1½‐year-old and reading this makes me want to cry.",
">\n\nSame. I just can’t read anything like this, it’s so horrifying. And I just hold my kiddo and cry and then be sad I can’t love all the babies and protect them all. \nKids are just so freaking pure and good and they just want to be loved and safe like that’s it man. How could you do something to something so innocent?",
">\n\nReading your comment, in contrast to OP’s horror inducing title, legit just brought a tear to my eye. Makes me hug my kiddos extra just thinking about it!",
">\n\nIf she kicks and shakes the baby in public, I can’t imagine what she does to that poor child at home. Disgusting woman.",
">\n\nAbortion should be legal so we can make sure this woman never existed.",
">\n\nWe should be able to abort the mother in this instance.",
">\n\nThat’s… that’s what he just inferred",
">\n\nDoesn't hurt to drive the point home",
">\n\nYou see horrible parenting in a walmart any day, but this is is, I think, the worst I've heard of. I hope she doesn't get that poor kid back.",
">\n\nUnfortunately, in this circumstance, it's better for her to do this shit in public and get caught so the baby (and other possible kids) gets taken away. If that's what she does in public, imagine what she does behind closed doors.",
">\n\nHoly fuck, Adblock on Firefox shows 450+ blocked on that website alone???",
">\n\nNow do you see why everyone on reddit is losing their mind over the news that Chrome is preventing ad block.\nIf you haven't switched to Firefox or something else, you might want to start test driving a few browsers because good LORD you have no idea how bad things are without ad block.",
">\n\nPiece of trash. Even reading the article boils my blood.",
">\n\nDefinitely r/iamatotalpieceofshit material",
">\n\nThank god she showed her true abusive colours while on camera and in front of everyone. Now the kid will be protected from her and serious injury/trauma prevented.",
">\n\nI hope this baby finds her way to a loving and caring mother, and I hope this lady gets the mental help she needs.",
">\n\nYea and maybe my mom will quit drinking and my dad will come home.",
">\n\nHope is sometimes all we have",
">\n\nMy best friend’s mom was a foster parent for many years. She was well known by DFACS for taking in their most difficult cases, children of severe abuse, often arriving in the middle of the night with nothing more than the clothes on their backs. She didn’t have a lot of money, bit she somehow made due for all of the kids. She was practical and no nonsense, pragmatic and loving. I learned a lot about how to stretch a dollar to make struggle meals from her. Full bellies and full hearts.\nWhen I was a new mother, she was my lifeline. I knew nothing about babies and she patiently taught me what I needed to know. She talked me through my son’s first bath over the telephone, I was exhausted from lack of sleep because my baby had severe colic. And, Ms S would gather him into her arms and rock him in her special creaky rocking chair. And, he fell into a blissful and untroubled sleep. She was truly a baby whisperer. \nHer heart and soul were devoted to children who were victims of horrific abuse. She took in a toddler who had spent much of his young life living in a cage. He was non verbal and unable to walk. After several years, she brought him up to nearly his age level. He was walking and verbal. The state stepped in and returned him to his newly “reformed” mother.\nHe was returned to Ms S a year later, with severe setbacks. She did everything that she could for this boy. Bit, when the state took him back again, she was done. Eventually, her remaining kids aged out of the system.\nAnyway, long ass story. Please forgive me for this. I’m just thinking about the little girl from this story and hoping that she lands in the lap of a Ms S in a special creaky rocking chair and comes to know comfort from a truly caring person and never has to be returned to an uncaring and abusive ”mother”.\nRIP Ms S for being the only real mom to many kids and for being a very special Grandmom to my kids . Never forgotten and always remembered.",
">\n\nCool story man. She sounds like a fantastic person",
">\n\nI swear i think i live next to this woman... Always screaming and swearing at her kids at the top of her lungs...",
">\n\nCall cps. Lived in a similar situation awhile back. I was afraid to call, wish I would be called earlier looking back at it.",
">\n\nDealt with CPS as a child growing up. They don’t care. My parents would have gone to jail had i been an animal and they were just as abusive. Especially if the child has no other family nearby to take em.",
">\n\nSounds awful for you. Im really sorry. As far as CPS goes I didn’t know what else do to, any ideas in case I find myself in a similar situation?\nNot too long after I called they moved out in the middle of the night and left their dog behind. Wish they would have left the kids wouldve adopted them too. \nHope you’re doing good now internet stranger.",
">\n\nShe obviously can't be trusted with her child, but I hope she gets the help that she clearly needs.",
">\n\nShe obviously hates the child and doesn't know how to take care of it so it should be taken and given to somebody who can take care of it and appreciate it. \nIt really makes me sick that there's people out there that struggle to get pregnant and want so desperately to have babies... And then you have this woman who decides to use her baby like a football. 🙄",
">\n\nYeah I hear kangaroos will throw their babies out to escape",
">\n\nI’m not advocating for violence, but the blunt end of a shingler’s hatchet works wonders as an attitude-correction tool.",
">\n\nThat's very Walmart of her",
">\n\ndead kid walking\nmom will get a slap on the wrist, at some point the courts will agree to a reunification plan, mom gets kid back\nmom and her boyfriend beat kid to death after starving it and abusing it for it's short miserable life",
">\n\nThat is such an extremely disgusting act to do. Baby deserves better than that.",
">\n\nSomeone is about to lose her parental rights.",
">\n\nI really wish I never clicked on this post. Not everyone is fit to be a parent.",
">\n\nThe charges aren’t severe enough. “Endangering the welfare?” A kick from an adult can kill a one year old baby…\nShe needs to go to prison for good.",
">\n\nI expect a lot of stories like this over the next decade as abortion restrictions lead to people who aren't prepared for kids to become parents.",
">\n\nCan we not link everything that and instead focus on the fact this a shitty person instead?",
">\n\nok and abortion reduces the number of shitty people having children. it is all related.",
">\n\nThere is no guarantee shitty people would go about it. They still have to want to do it during a very limited window.",
">\n\nJust pure numbers, more abortions mean at least one less shitty person having kids",
">\n\nJust read the article, I hope the baby is safe, taken out of her custody permanently, and this vile bitch is spayed like a stray dog and thrown into jail for 5-7 years. (I'm aware that won't happen) Fucking worst type of human. Disgusting and reprehensible behavior.",
">\n\nWatch the downfall of Mankind: Go to r/publicfreakout search \"WalMart\"... \"Waffle House\", \"MacDonald's\" and \"Starbucks\" will suffice also.",
">\n\nI can't be the only who thinks it's interesting as a society we have to take have qualifications for certain jobs but to be a parent.. fuck it, you don't need training at all.. seems a little fucked up",
">\n\nThere are evil assholes in this thread saying that people have a god-given right to have, kill, barbecue and eat their own children. They claim it's \"freedom from state over-reach\", but it means they want to kill, barbecue and eat children with zero consequences. Child abuse is common in this world. My own father beat me until I put him in the hospital and then never saw him again. These assholes want to make sure fathers are allowed to beat their children freely, and that any child who defends themself is punished. Fuck those people!\nThe state has a role in protecting children. And anyone against it is an enemy of decency.",
">\n\nPaterson, NJ. No surprise....",
">\n\nThe surprise is it’s not Florida.",
">\n\nAnother baby mama loses her child. Don't worry; she'll make more.",
">\n\nThat is not a mom, this is a piece of trash that let some guy rawdog her.",
">\n\nSpay her and lock her up for ten years. In no way should she ever be in a position to bring more children into the world to abuse. \nWhat hasn't been caught on camera in this woman's home? What emotional damage has already been inflicted prior that might not be able to be fixed?",
">\n\nLike the quokka, shoplifters are known to throw their offspring down to bait predators and increase the chances of escape.",
">\n\nPrison and throw away the key",
">\n\nBruh that’s a rough 23 😬",
">\n\nSo a typical Walmart outing",
">\n\nI think this is the appropriate use of the phrase \"that woman is a cunt\".",
">\n\nLast minute effort to clinch the Mother of the Year Award?",
">\n\nThe Quokka defense rarely works for humans.",
">\n\nSo… another normal day at any American Walmart then?",
">\n\nFrankly the supreme court really messed us all up. But what we have here is someone that is obviously to unstable to be a parent.",
">\n\nWould be really hard to watch this and not punch that cunt in the face repeatedly. Maybe a kick or two as well.",
">\n\nIf she’s willing to do that in public, I can’t even fathom what she would do to that child at home.",
">\n\nThey call this a Soccer mom.",
">\n\nThrow her trashy ass in jail",
">\n\nI read stuff like this and realize some people aren’t worthy of living. Hope the kid turns out alright because she’s not worthy of anything.",
">\n\nThe cycle continues for that family. Always remember you can be the one to change things but it takes patience which I think is something that should be stressed a lot more but isn't. If you don't have patience then you won't be able to deal with a screaming 1-year-old. It's that simple.",
">\n\n\"Kick the baby!\" - Kyle Broflovski",
">\n\nThis is a horrifically damaged person. In no way do I excuse her abuse of this poor little baby, though.",
">\n\nYes, yes, bad mother, poor child and all that. Clearly this lady has some issues and very likely needs professional psychiatric help. Or maybe she's just a narcissistic, entitled asshole. Either way she should've never been saddled with a child.",
">\n\ni wish you weren't being downvoted, because obviously this woman has some issues, and the age of the child indicates that it could be postpartum depression, which is not nothing. or, like you said, she could just be an asshole. \nscreaming and punching a wall because a baby was crying? that is definitely not normal. obviously it's horrible that the baby has been abused, and thankfully it is physically okay from this assault, but the mom obviously needs help.",
">\n\nYeah, people in this thread are clamoring for her to be thrown in jail but that really isnt gonna solve anything (shed probably come out worse).\nShes clearly not all there.",
">\n\nand i'm getting downvoted for saying she needs help, lol what.",
">\n\nYou're being down voted for worrying about the wrong person. The child is the one that needs compassion. The abusers needs are less important.",
">\n\nMost Walmart sentence ever.",
">\n\nI obviously know nothing of this woman and her history but uncharacteristic rage and unfortunately in some cases violent outbursts can be a sign of postpartum depression. Hormones can do crazy things.",
">\n\nYou and her both need to walk into traffic",
">\n\nSeems like a solid way to deal with mental illness? Postpartum depression is a very real thing and can make people act in uncharacteristic ways.",
">\n\nQueue up the Janes Addiction",
">\n\nSay what you mean.",
">\n\nIt’s right there ^",
">\n\nI guess you got too embarrassed or downvoted and deleted it right after that comment eh?",
">\n\nNope. It’s all right there still.",
">\n\nIt says deleted clear as day, but alright. I’ll just look up the edits because I’m curious.",
">\n\nNothing was deleted by me and still shows so 🤷🏻♂️",
">\n\nThis isn’t fucking news Jesus Christ",
">\n\nAm I the only one whose second thought after “how can you do that to your baby” was “why is this article especially the headline putting shoplifting on the same level with doing that to your baby?”\nI’m not one of those people who thinks shoplifting is cool or whatever but…this is some really blatant “arson, murder, and jaywalking” stuff.",
">\n\nHow is the headline putting the crimes on the same level? It's literally just the events that happened, a mom who was shoplifting kicked her baby after being caught. The headline is not trying to equate assaulting a baby with shoplifting.",
">\n\nIt mentioned the shoplifting before kicking the baby (really burying the lede there).",
">\n\nBecause it happened during a confrontation with security guards.",
">\n\nIsn’t shopping at Walmart in itself shoplifting?",
">\n\nI can't imagine that the others in that room would have a very different story. Let's hear your defense of this woman's actions.",
">\n\nBecause at the moment, that's what makes the most sense given the information at hand.\nYou, on the other hand, are going exactly the opposite direction. You're essentially blaming the police without any evidence.\nHow about we all wait for now information before passing any judgement on anyone?",
">\n\nLook back and point to the statement that “blames police” for me.\nOf course it’s the “information at hand”; they have a vested interest in making it available.\nI’m literally saying “you only have one side of the argument” and you (and many others) are downvoting for even suggesting that very thing.",
">\n\n\nWhy give police the benefit of the doubt?\nWhy give the police version the benefit of the doubt?\n\nStating that twice really makes you look like you're saying the police are the problem, here. The police weren't involved at the start. The article says they were called later. Have you reason to doubt that part of the story? Do you think they were there from the start and that they made her kick the baby? Or maybe that a cop did that and they are trying to blame it on her to absolve themselves? In front of the witnesses at the scene? It's a leap that didn't make sense to me. Unless you have more information than is in the article...\nI find the information in the article, as presented, a reasonable place to start. If I see more coming out of this in coming days that showed the police did something wrong, I'll most certainly consider what's reported then."
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One of the few articles that made me say “wtf”. Poor child.
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"That website is giving my browser cancer so here's the text for anyone else who can't get it to load properly.\n\nTETERBORO — A mother kicked her baby daughter and sent the child careening across the floor after shoplifting from Walmart, according to police.\nJamira McDaniel, 23, of Paterson, was caught stealing at the supercenter in Teterboro by Walmart theft protection personnel on Tuesday, Moonachie Police Lt. Jeff Napolitano confirmed to New Jersey 101.5.\nMcDaniel was with her 1-year-old girl and the child's aunt.\nAfter she was taken to the store's security office, McDaniel placed the baby girl on the ground and kicked her in the back, Napolitano said. The toddler was sent across the floor and into the security office.\nAccording to Napolitano, the incident was caught on security cameras. He said video of the kick was turned over to Bergen County court but was not yet publicly available.\nThe theft protection workers then picked up the inconsolable child, handed her to McDaniel's sister, and called the police.\n\"McDaniel, upset by the girl who was now screaming and crying while being held by her aunt, began punching walls and yelling for the baby to stop crying,\" Napolitano explained. \"McDaniel also grabbed the baby and began to shake her while she was being held by her aunt.\"\nMoonachie cops soon arrived at the store and called an ambulance to evaluate the baby. Fortunately, first responders found the child was uninjured.\nThe mother is charged with endangering the welfare of a child, assault, shoplifting, and criminal mischief, according to Napolitano.\nMcDaniel was sent to Bergen County jail, which is where she remains as of Wednesday evening. The aunt was not charged and the child was given to family members.\n\nGod help that poor baby.",
">\n\nSome people really need to not have kids",
">\n\nMore people should have abortions. If someone cannot or doesn’t want to raise a child abortion should be the first choice. Bringing children into this world only for them to suffer is awful. So many wind up in the foster system and no one adopts them then they age out. Then you have adults who have no family or resources and continue to suffer. \nAnytime someone says abortion is bad and they should just birth the child and give it up for adoption should be required to take one of those children into their homes. \nCausing unwavering suffering of another living being is immoral.",
">\n\nI absolutely agree but there is also a large subset of people that WANT to have kids but are still completely awful parents.",
">\n\nHence, the reverse abortion! A simple way to solve these issues",
">\n\nWhat's a reverse abortion? Shoving the child back up the coochie and into the uterus?? \nMaybe I'm just super dumb today and drank too much or too little coffee, but I really don't know what a reverse abortion would be. \nAm I going to feel really stupid when you tell me? If so, that's ok, just tell me anyway, I'm used to feeling stupid.",
">\n\nInstead of aborting babies, abort the parents",
">\n\nCan you legally abort a baby after 18 years?",
">\n\nSometimes I ask my mom if she would feel comfortable having a 124th trimester abortion. My brother is not working out.",
">\n\nReading that article, it sounds like being a shoplifter is the best thing about her.",
">\n\nWhen my kids were little I found it almost impossible to read articles like this. They would stick with me for days or weeks. \nI really hope that baby ends up in a loving home because game fucking over for mom.",
">\n\nI have a 1½‐year-old and reading this makes me want to cry.",
">\n\nSame. I just can’t read anything like this, it’s so horrifying. And I just hold my kiddo and cry and then be sad I can’t love all the babies and protect them all. \nKids are just so freaking pure and good and they just want to be loved and safe like that’s it man. How could you do something to something so innocent?",
">\n\nReading your comment, in contrast to OP’s horror inducing title, legit just brought a tear to my eye. Makes me hug my kiddos extra just thinking about it!",
">\n\nIf she kicks and shakes the baby in public, I can’t imagine what she does to that poor child at home. Disgusting woman.",
">\n\nAbortion should be legal so we can make sure this woman never existed.",
">\n\nWe should be able to abort the mother in this instance.",
">\n\nThat’s… that’s what he just inferred",
">\n\nDoesn't hurt to drive the point home",
">\n\nYou see horrible parenting in a walmart any day, but this is is, I think, the worst I've heard of. I hope she doesn't get that poor kid back.",
">\n\nUnfortunately, in this circumstance, it's better for her to do this shit in public and get caught so the baby (and other possible kids) gets taken away. If that's what she does in public, imagine what she does behind closed doors.",
">\n\nHoly fuck, Adblock on Firefox shows 450+ blocked on that website alone???",
">\n\nNow do you see why everyone on reddit is losing their mind over the news that Chrome is preventing ad block.\nIf you haven't switched to Firefox or something else, you might want to start test driving a few browsers because good LORD you have no idea how bad things are without ad block.",
">\n\nPiece of trash. Even reading the article boils my blood.",
">\n\nDefinitely r/iamatotalpieceofshit material",
">\n\nThank god she showed her true abusive colours while on camera and in front of everyone. Now the kid will be protected from her and serious injury/trauma prevented.",
">\n\nI hope this baby finds her way to a loving and caring mother, and I hope this lady gets the mental help she needs.",
">\n\nYea and maybe my mom will quit drinking and my dad will come home.",
">\n\nHope is sometimes all we have",
">\n\nMy best friend’s mom was a foster parent for many years. She was well known by DFACS for taking in their most difficult cases, children of severe abuse, often arriving in the middle of the night with nothing more than the clothes on their backs. She didn’t have a lot of money, bit she somehow made due for all of the kids. She was practical and no nonsense, pragmatic and loving. I learned a lot about how to stretch a dollar to make struggle meals from her. Full bellies and full hearts.\nWhen I was a new mother, she was my lifeline. I knew nothing about babies and she patiently taught me what I needed to know. She talked me through my son’s first bath over the telephone, I was exhausted from lack of sleep because my baby had severe colic. And, Ms S would gather him into her arms and rock him in her special creaky rocking chair. And, he fell into a blissful and untroubled sleep. She was truly a baby whisperer. \nHer heart and soul were devoted to children who were victims of horrific abuse. She took in a toddler who had spent much of his young life living in a cage. He was non verbal and unable to walk. After several years, she brought him up to nearly his age level. He was walking and verbal. The state stepped in and returned him to his newly “reformed” mother.\nHe was returned to Ms S a year later, with severe setbacks. She did everything that she could for this boy. Bit, when the state took him back again, she was done. Eventually, her remaining kids aged out of the system.\nAnyway, long ass story. Please forgive me for this. I’m just thinking about the little girl from this story and hoping that she lands in the lap of a Ms S in a special creaky rocking chair and comes to know comfort from a truly caring person and never has to be returned to an uncaring and abusive ”mother”.\nRIP Ms S for being the only real mom to many kids and for being a very special Grandmom to my kids . Never forgotten and always remembered.",
">\n\nCool story man. She sounds like a fantastic person",
">\n\nI swear i think i live next to this woman... Always screaming and swearing at her kids at the top of her lungs...",
">\n\nCall cps. Lived in a similar situation awhile back. I was afraid to call, wish I would be called earlier looking back at it.",
">\n\nDealt with CPS as a child growing up. They don’t care. My parents would have gone to jail had i been an animal and they were just as abusive. Especially if the child has no other family nearby to take em.",
">\n\nSounds awful for you. Im really sorry. As far as CPS goes I didn’t know what else do to, any ideas in case I find myself in a similar situation?\nNot too long after I called they moved out in the middle of the night and left their dog behind. Wish they would have left the kids wouldve adopted them too. \nHope you’re doing good now internet stranger.",
">\n\nShe obviously can't be trusted with her child, but I hope she gets the help that she clearly needs.",
">\n\nShe obviously hates the child and doesn't know how to take care of it so it should be taken and given to somebody who can take care of it and appreciate it. \nIt really makes me sick that there's people out there that struggle to get pregnant and want so desperately to have babies... And then you have this woman who decides to use her baby like a football. 🙄",
">\n\nYeah I hear kangaroos will throw their babies out to escape",
">\n\nI’m not advocating for violence, but the blunt end of a shingler’s hatchet works wonders as an attitude-correction tool.",
">\n\nThat's very Walmart of her",
">\n\ndead kid walking\nmom will get a slap on the wrist, at some point the courts will agree to a reunification plan, mom gets kid back\nmom and her boyfriend beat kid to death after starving it and abusing it for it's short miserable life",
">\n\nThat is such an extremely disgusting act to do. Baby deserves better than that.",
">\n\nSomeone is about to lose her parental rights.",
">\n\nI really wish I never clicked on this post. Not everyone is fit to be a parent.",
">\n\nThe charges aren’t severe enough. “Endangering the welfare?” A kick from an adult can kill a one year old baby…\nShe needs to go to prison for good.",
">\n\nI expect a lot of stories like this over the next decade as abortion restrictions lead to people who aren't prepared for kids to become parents.",
">\n\nCan we not link everything that and instead focus on the fact this a shitty person instead?",
">\n\nok and abortion reduces the number of shitty people having children. it is all related.",
">\n\nThere is no guarantee shitty people would go about it. They still have to want to do it during a very limited window.",
">\n\nJust pure numbers, more abortions mean at least one less shitty person having kids",
">\n\nJust read the article, I hope the baby is safe, taken out of her custody permanently, and this vile bitch is spayed like a stray dog and thrown into jail for 5-7 years. (I'm aware that won't happen) Fucking worst type of human. Disgusting and reprehensible behavior.",
">\n\nWatch the downfall of Mankind: Go to r/publicfreakout search \"WalMart\"... \"Waffle House\", \"MacDonald's\" and \"Starbucks\" will suffice also.",
">\n\nI can't be the only who thinks it's interesting as a society we have to take have qualifications for certain jobs but to be a parent.. fuck it, you don't need training at all.. seems a little fucked up",
">\n\nThere are evil assholes in this thread saying that people have a god-given right to have, kill, barbecue and eat their own children. They claim it's \"freedom from state over-reach\", but it means they want to kill, barbecue and eat children with zero consequences. Child abuse is common in this world. My own father beat me until I put him in the hospital and then never saw him again. These assholes want to make sure fathers are allowed to beat their children freely, and that any child who defends themself is punished. Fuck those people!\nThe state has a role in protecting children. And anyone against it is an enemy of decency.",
">\n\nPaterson, NJ. No surprise....",
">\n\nThe surprise is it’s not Florida.",
">\n\nAnother baby mama loses her child. Don't worry; she'll make more.",
">\n\nThat is not a mom, this is a piece of trash that let some guy rawdog her.",
">\n\nSpay her and lock her up for ten years. In no way should she ever be in a position to bring more children into the world to abuse. \nWhat hasn't been caught on camera in this woman's home? What emotional damage has already been inflicted prior that might not be able to be fixed?",
">\n\nLike the quokka, shoplifters are known to throw their offspring down to bait predators and increase the chances of escape.",
">\n\nPrison and throw away the key",
">\n\nBruh that’s a rough 23 😬",
">\n\nSo a typical Walmart outing",
">\n\nI think this is the appropriate use of the phrase \"that woman is a cunt\".",
">\n\nLast minute effort to clinch the Mother of the Year Award?",
">\n\nThe Quokka defense rarely works for humans.",
">\n\nSo… another normal day at any American Walmart then?",
">\n\nFrankly the supreme court really messed us all up. But what we have here is someone that is obviously to unstable to be a parent.",
">\n\nWould be really hard to watch this and not punch that cunt in the face repeatedly. Maybe a kick or two as well.",
">\n\nIf she’s willing to do that in public, I can’t even fathom what she would do to that child at home.",
">\n\nThey call this a Soccer mom.",
">\n\nThrow her trashy ass in jail",
">\n\nI read stuff like this and realize some people aren’t worthy of living. Hope the kid turns out alright because she’s not worthy of anything.",
">\n\nThe cycle continues for that family. Always remember you can be the one to change things but it takes patience which I think is something that should be stressed a lot more but isn't. If you don't have patience then you won't be able to deal with a screaming 1-year-old. It's that simple.",
">\n\n\"Kick the baby!\" - Kyle Broflovski",
">\n\nThis is a horrifically damaged person. In no way do I excuse her abuse of this poor little baby, though.",
">\n\nYes, yes, bad mother, poor child and all that. Clearly this lady has some issues and very likely needs professional psychiatric help. Or maybe she's just a narcissistic, entitled asshole. Either way she should've never been saddled with a child.",
">\n\ni wish you weren't being downvoted, because obviously this woman has some issues, and the age of the child indicates that it could be postpartum depression, which is not nothing. or, like you said, she could just be an asshole. \nscreaming and punching a wall because a baby was crying? that is definitely not normal. obviously it's horrible that the baby has been abused, and thankfully it is physically okay from this assault, but the mom obviously needs help.",
">\n\nYeah, people in this thread are clamoring for her to be thrown in jail but that really isnt gonna solve anything (shed probably come out worse).\nShes clearly not all there.",
">\n\nand i'm getting downvoted for saying she needs help, lol what.",
">\n\nYou're being down voted for worrying about the wrong person. The child is the one that needs compassion. The abusers needs are less important.",
">\n\nMost Walmart sentence ever.",
">\n\nI obviously know nothing of this woman and her history but uncharacteristic rage and unfortunately in some cases violent outbursts can be a sign of postpartum depression. Hormones can do crazy things.",
">\n\nYou and her both need to walk into traffic",
">\n\nSeems like a solid way to deal with mental illness? Postpartum depression is a very real thing and can make people act in uncharacteristic ways.",
">\n\nQueue up the Janes Addiction",
">\n\nSay what you mean.",
">\n\nIt’s right there ^",
">\n\nI guess you got too embarrassed or downvoted and deleted it right after that comment eh?",
">\n\nNope. It’s all right there still.",
">\n\nIt says deleted clear as day, but alright. I’ll just look up the edits because I’m curious.",
">\n\nNothing was deleted by me and still shows so 🤷🏻♂️",
">\n\nThis isn’t fucking news Jesus Christ",
">\n\nAm I the only one whose second thought after “how can you do that to your baby” was “why is this article especially the headline putting shoplifting on the same level with doing that to your baby?”\nI’m not one of those people who thinks shoplifting is cool or whatever but…this is some really blatant “arson, murder, and jaywalking” stuff.",
">\n\nHow is the headline putting the crimes on the same level? It's literally just the events that happened, a mom who was shoplifting kicked her baby after being caught. The headline is not trying to equate assaulting a baby with shoplifting.",
">\n\nIt mentioned the shoplifting before kicking the baby (really burying the lede there).",
">\n\nBecause it happened during a confrontation with security guards.",
">\n\nIsn’t shopping at Walmart in itself shoplifting?",
">\n\nI can't imagine that the others in that room would have a very different story. Let's hear your defense of this woman's actions.",
">\n\nBecause at the moment, that's what makes the most sense given the information at hand.\nYou, on the other hand, are going exactly the opposite direction. You're essentially blaming the police without any evidence.\nHow about we all wait for now information before passing any judgement on anyone?",
">\n\nLook back and point to the statement that “blames police” for me.\nOf course it’s the “information at hand”; they have a vested interest in making it available.\nI’m literally saying “you only have one side of the argument” and you (and many others) are downvoting for even suggesting that very thing.",
">\n\n\nWhy give police the benefit of the doubt?\nWhy give the police version the benefit of the doubt?\n\nStating that twice really makes you look like you're saying the police are the problem, here. The police weren't involved at the start. The article says they were called later. Have you reason to doubt that part of the story? Do you think they were there from the start and that they made her kick the baby? Or maybe that a cop did that and they are trying to blame it on her to absolve themselves? In front of the witnesses at the scene? It's a leap that didn't make sense to me. Unless you have more information than is in the article...\nI find the information in the article, as presented, a reasonable place to start. If I see more coming out of this in coming days that showed the police did something wrong, I'll most certainly consider what's reported then.",
">\n\n“Believe police versions” is what you’re saying.\nAt least be honest."
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"That website is giving my browser cancer so here's the text for anyone else who can't get it to load properly.\n\nTETERBORO — A mother kicked her baby daughter and sent the child careening across the floor after shoplifting from Walmart, according to police.\nJamira McDaniel, 23, of Paterson, was caught stealing at the supercenter in Teterboro by Walmart theft protection personnel on Tuesday, Moonachie Police Lt. Jeff Napolitano confirmed to New Jersey 101.5.\nMcDaniel was with her 1-year-old girl and the child's aunt.\nAfter she was taken to the store's security office, McDaniel placed the baby girl on the ground and kicked her in the back, Napolitano said. The toddler was sent across the floor and into the security office.\nAccording to Napolitano, the incident was caught on security cameras. He said video of the kick was turned over to Bergen County court but was not yet publicly available.\nThe theft protection workers then picked up the inconsolable child, handed her to McDaniel's sister, and called the police.\n\"McDaniel, upset by the girl who was now screaming and crying while being held by her aunt, began punching walls and yelling for the baby to stop crying,\" Napolitano explained. \"McDaniel also grabbed the baby and began to shake her while she was being held by her aunt.\"\nMoonachie cops soon arrived at the store and called an ambulance to evaluate the baby. Fortunately, first responders found the child was uninjured.\nThe mother is charged with endangering the welfare of a child, assault, shoplifting, and criminal mischief, according to Napolitano.\nMcDaniel was sent to Bergen County jail, which is where she remains as of Wednesday evening. The aunt was not charged and the child was given to family members.\n\nGod help that poor baby.",
">\n\nSome people really need to not have kids",
">\n\nMore people should have abortions. If someone cannot or doesn’t want to raise a child abortion should be the first choice. Bringing children into this world only for them to suffer is awful. So many wind up in the foster system and no one adopts them then they age out. Then you have adults who have no family or resources and continue to suffer. \nAnytime someone says abortion is bad and they should just birth the child and give it up for adoption should be required to take one of those children into their homes. \nCausing unwavering suffering of another living being is immoral.",
">\n\nI absolutely agree but there is also a large subset of people that WANT to have kids but are still completely awful parents.",
">\n\nHence, the reverse abortion! A simple way to solve these issues",
">\n\nWhat's a reverse abortion? Shoving the child back up the coochie and into the uterus?? \nMaybe I'm just super dumb today and drank too much or too little coffee, but I really don't know what a reverse abortion would be. \nAm I going to feel really stupid when you tell me? If so, that's ok, just tell me anyway, I'm used to feeling stupid.",
">\n\nInstead of aborting babies, abort the parents",
">\n\nCan you legally abort a baby after 18 years?",
">\n\nSometimes I ask my mom if she would feel comfortable having a 124th trimester abortion. My brother is not working out.",
">\n\nReading that article, it sounds like being a shoplifter is the best thing about her.",
">\n\nWhen my kids were little I found it almost impossible to read articles like this. They would stick with me for days or weeks. \nI really hope that baby ends up in a loving home because game fucking over for mom.",
">\n\nI have a 1½‐year-old and reading this makes me want to cry.",
">\n\nSame. I just can’t read anything like this, it’s so horrifying. And I just hold my kiddo and cry and then be sad I can’t love all the babies and protect them all. \nKids are just so freaking pure and good and they just want to be loved and safe like that’s it man. How could you do something to something so innocent?",
">\n\nReading your comment, in contrast to OP’s horror inducing title, legit just brought a tear to my eye. Makes me hug my kiddos extra just thinking about it!",
">\n\nIf she kicks and shakes the baby in public, I can’t imagine what she does to that poor child at home. Disgusting woman.",
">\n\nAbortion should be legal so we can make sure this woman never existed.",
">\n\nWe should be able to abort the mother in this instance.",
">\n\nThat’s… that’s what he just inferred",
">\n\nDoesn't hurt to drive the point home",
">\n\nYou see horrible parenting in a walmart any day, but this is is, I think, the worst I've heard of. I hope she doesn't get that poor kid back.",
">\n\nUnfortunately, in this circumstance, it's better for her to do this shit in public and get caught so the baby (and other possible kids) gets taken away. If that's what she does in public, imagine what she does behind closed doors.",
">\n\nHoly fuck, Adblock on Firefox shows 450+ blocked on that website alone???",
">\n\nNow do you see why everyone on reddit is losing their mind over the news that Chrome is preventing ad block.\nIf you haven't switched to Firefox or something else, you might want to start test driving a few browsers because good LORD you have no idea how bad things are without ad block.",
">\n\nPiece of trash. Even reading the article boils my blood.",
">\n\nDefinitely r/iamatotalpieceofshit material",
">\n\nThank god she showed her true abusive colours while on camera and in front of everyone. Now the kid will be protected from her and serious injury/trauma prevented.",
">\n\nI hope this baby finds her way to a loving and caring mother, and I hope this lady gets the mental help she needs.",
">\n\nYea and maybe my mom will quit drinking and my dad will come home.",
">\n\nHope is sometimes all we have",
">\n\nMy best friend’s mom was a foster parent for many years. She was well known by DFACS for taking in their most difficult cases, children of severe abuse, often arriving in the middle of the night with nothing more than the clothes on their backs. She didn’t have a lot of money, bit she somehow made due for all of the kids. She was practical and no nonsense, pragmatic and loving. I learned a lot about how to stretch a dollar to make struggle meals from her. Full bellies and full hearts.\nWhen I was a new mother, she was my lifeline. I knew nothing about babies and she patiently taught me what I needed to know. She talked me through my son’s first bath over the telephone, I was exhausted from lack of sleep because my baby had severe colic. And, Ms S would gather him into her arms and rock him in her special creaky rocking chair. And, he fell into a blissful and untroubled sleep. She was truly a baby whisperer. \nHer heart and soul were devoted to children who were victims of horrific abuse. She took in a toddler who had spent much of his young life living in a cage. He was non verbal and unable to walk. After several years, she brought him up to nearly his age level. He was walking and verbal. The state stepped in and returned him to his newly “reformed” mother.\nHe was returned to Ms S a year later, with severe setbacks. She did everything that she could for this boy. Bit, when the state took him back again, she was done. Eventually, her remaining kids aged out of the system.\nAnyway, long ass story. Please forgive me for this. I’m just thinking about the little girl from this story and hoping that she lands in the lap of a Ms S in a special creaky rocking chair and comes to know comfort from a truly caring person and never has to be returned to an uncaring and abusive ”mother”.\nRIP Ms S for being the only real mom to many kids and for being a very special Grandmom to my kids . Never forgotten and always remembered.",
">\n\nCool story man. She sounds like a fantastic person",
">\n\nI swear i think i live next to this woman... Always screaming and swearing at her kids at the top of her lungs...",
">\n\nCall cps. Lived in a similar situation awhile back. I was afraid to call, wish I would be called earlier looking back at it.",
">\n\nDealt with CPS as a child growing up. They don’t care. My parents would have gone to jail had i been an animal and they were just as abusive. Especially if the child has no other family nearby to take em.",
">\n\nSounds awful for you. Im really sorry. As far as CPS goes I didn’t know what else do to, any ideas in case I find myself in a similar situation?\nNot too long after I called they moved out in the middle of the night and left their dog behind. Wish they would have left the kids wouldve adopted them too. \nHope you’re doing good now internet stranger.",
">\n\nShe obviously can't be trusted with her child, but I hope she gets the help that she clearly needs.",
">\n\nShe obviously hates the child and doesn't know how to take care of it so it should be taken and given to somebody who can take care of it and appreciate it. \nIt really makes me sick that there's people out there that struggle to get pregnant and want so desperately to have babies... And then you have this woman who decides to use her baby like a football. 🙄",
">\n\nYeah I hear kangaroos will throw their babies out to escape",
">\n\nI’m not advocating for violence, but the blunt end of a shingler’s hatchet works wonders as an attitude-correction tool.",
">\n\nThat's very Walmart of her",
">\n\ndead kid walking\nmom will get a slap on the wrist, at some point the courts will agree to a reunification plan, mom gets kid back\nmom and her boyfriend beat kid to death after starving it and abusing it for it's short miserable life",
">\n\nThat is such an extremely disgusting act to do. Baby deserves better than that.",
">\n\nSomeone is about to lose her parental rights.",
">\n\nI really wish I never clicked on this post. Not everyone is fit to be a parent.",
">\n\nThe charges aren’t severe enough. “Endangering the welfare?” A kick from an adult can kill a one year old baby…\nShe needs to go to prison for good.",
">\n\nI expect a lot of stories like this over the next decade as abortion restrictions lead to people who aren't prepared for kids to become parents.",
">\n\nCan we not link everything that and instead focus on the fact this a shitty person instead?",
">\n\nok and abortion reduces the number of shitty people having children. it is all related.",
">\n\nThere is no guarantee shitty people would go about it. They still have to want to do it during a very limited window.",
">\n\nJust pure numbers, more abortions mean at least one less shitty person having kids",
">\n\nJust read the article, I hope the baby is safe, taken out of her custody permanently, and this vile bitch is spayed like a stray dog and thrown into jail for 5-7 years. (I'm aware that won't happen) Fucking worst type of human. Disgusting and reprehensible behavior.",
">\n\nWatch the downfall of Mankind: Go to r/publicfreakout search \"WalMart\"... \"Waffle House\", \"MacDonald's\" and \"Starbucks\" will suffice also.",
">\n\nI can't be the only who thinks it's interesting as a society we have to take have qualifications for certain jobs but to be a parent.. fuck it, you don't need training at all.. seems a little fucked up",
">\n\nThere are evil assholes in this thread saying that people have a god-given right to have, kill, barbecue and eat their own children. They claim it's \"freedom from state over-reach\", but it means they want to kill, barbecue and eat children with zero consequences. Child abuse is common in this world. My own father beat me until I put him in the hospital and then never saw him again. These assholes want to make sure fathers are allowed to beat their children freely, and that any child who defends themself is punished. Fuck those people!\nThe state has a role in protecting children. And anyone against it is an enemy of decency.",
">\n\nPaterson, NJ. No surprise....",
">\n\nThe surprise is it’s not Florida.",
">\n\nAnother baby mama loses her child. Don't worry; she'll make more.",
">\n\nThat is not a mom, this is a piece of trash that let some guy rawdog her.",
">\n\nSpay her and lock her up for ten years. In no way should she ever be in a position to bring more children into the world to abuse. \nWhat hasn't been caught on camera in this woman's home? What emotional damage has already been inflicted prior that might not be able to be fixed?",
">\n\nLike the quokka, shoplifters are known to throw their offspring down to bait predators and increase the chances of escape.",
">\n\nPrison and throw away the key",
">\n\nBruh that’s a rough 23 😬",
">\n\nSo a typical Walmart outing",
">\n\nI think this is the appropriate use of the phrase \"that woman is a cunt\".",
">\n\nLast minute effort to clinch the Mother of the Year Award?",
">\n\nThe Quokka defense rarely works for humans.",
">\n\nSo… another normal day at any American Walmart then?",
">\n\nFrankly the supreme court really messed us all up. But what we have here is someone that is obviously to unstable to be a parent.",
">\n\nWould be really hard to watch this and not punch that cunt in the face repeatedly. Maybe a kick or two as well.",
">\n\nIf she’s willing to do that in public, I can’t even fathom what she would do to that child at home.",
">\n\nThey call this a Soccer mom.",
">\n\nThrow her trashy ass in jail",
">\n\nI read stuff like this and realize some people aren’t worthy of living. Hope the kid turns out alright because she’s not worthy of anything.",
">\n\nThe cycle continues for that family. Always remember you can be the one to change things but it takes patience which I think is something that should be stressed a lot more but isn't. If you don't have patience then you won't be able to deal with a screaming 1-year-old. It's that simple.",
">\n\n\"Kick the baby!\" - Kyle Broflovski",
">\n\nThis is a horrifically damaged person. In no way do I excuse her abuse of this poor little baby, though.",
">\n\nYes, yes, bad mother, poor child and all that. Clearly this lady has some issues and very likely needs professional psychiatric help. Or maybe she's just a narcissistic, entitled asshole. Either way she should've never been saddled with a child.",
">\n\ni wish you weren't being downvoted, because obviously this woman has some issues, and the age of the child indicates that it could be postpartum depression, which is not nothing. or, like you said, she could just be an asshole. \nscreaming and punching a wall because a baby was crying? that is definitely not normal. obviously it's horrible that the baby has been abused, and thankfully it is physically okay from this assault, but the mom obviously needs help.",
">\n\nYeah, people in this thread are clamoring for her to be thrown in jail but that really isnt gonna solve anything (shed probably come out worse).\nShes clearly not all there.",
">\n\nand i'm getting downvoted for saying she needs help, lol what.",
">\n\nYou're being down voted for worrying about the wrong person. The child is the one that needs compassion. The abusers needs are less important.",
">\n\nMost Walmart sentence ever.",
">\n\nI obviously know nothing of this woman and her history but uncharacteristic rage and unfortunately in some cases violent outbursts can be a sign of postpartum depression. Hormones can do crazy things.",
">\n\nYou and her both need to walk into traffic",
">\n\nSeems like a solid way to deal with mental illness? Postpartum depression is a very real thing and can make people act in uncharacteristic ways.",
">\n\nQueue up the Janes Addiction",
">\n\nSay what you mean.",
">\n\nIt’s right there ^",
">\n\nI guess you got too embarrassed or downvoted and deleted it right after that comment eh?",
">\n\nNope. It’s all right there still.",
">\n\nIt says deleted clear as day, but alright. I’ll just look up the edits because I’m curious.",
">\n\nNothing was deleted by me and still shows so 🤷🏻♂️",
">\n\nThis isn’t fucking news Jesus Christ",
">\n\nAm I the only one whose second thought after “how can you do that to your baby” was “why is this article especially the headline putting shoplifting on the same level with doing that to your baby?”\nI’m not one of those people who thinks shoplifting is cool or whatever but…this is some really blatant “arson, murder, and jaywalking” stuff.",
">\n\nHow is the headline putting the crimes on the same level? It's literally just the events that happened, a mom who was shoplifting kicked her baby after being caught. The headline is not trying to equate assaulting a baby with shoplifting.",
">\n\nIt mentioned the shoplifting before kicking the baby (really burying the lede there).",
">\n\nBecause it happened during a confrontation with security guards.",
">\n\nIsn’t shopping at Walmart in itself shoplifting?",
">\n\nI can't imagine that the others in that room would have a very different story. Let's hear your defense of this woman's actions.",
">\n\nBecause at the moment, that's what makes the most sense given the information at hand.\nYou, on the other hand, are going exactly the opposite direction. You're essentially blaming the police without any evidence.\nHow about we all wait for now information before passing any judgement on anyone?",
">\n\nLook back and point to the statement that “blames police” for me.\nOf course it’s the “information at hand”; they have a vested interest in making it available.\nI’m literally saying “you only have one side of the argument” and you (and many others) are downvoting for even suggesting that very thing.",
">\n\n\nWhy give police the benefit of the doubt?\nWhy give the police version the benefit of the doubt?\n\nStating that twice really makes you look like you're saying the police are the problem, here. The police weren't involved at the start. The article says they were called later. Have you reason to doubt that part of the story? Do you think they were there from the start and that they made her kick the baby? Or maybe that a cop did that and they are trying to blame it on her to absolve themselves? In front of the witnesses at the scene? It's a leap that didn't make sense to me. Unless you have more information than is in the article...\nI find the information in the article, as presented, a reasonable place to start. If I see more coming out of this in coming days that showed the police did something wrong, I'll most certainly consider what's reported then.",
">\n\n“Believe police versions” is what you’re saying.\nAt least be honest.",
">\n\nOne of the few articles that made me say “wtf”. Poor child."
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It will only get worse as more and more unwanted children are born. Thanks supreme court!
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"That website is giving my browser cancer so here's the text for anyone else who can't get it to load properly.\n\nTETERBORO — A mother kicked her baby daughter and sent the child careening across the floor after shoplifting from Walmart, according to police.\nJamira McDaniel, 23, of Paterson, was caught stealing at the supercenter in Teterboro by Walmart theft protection personnel on Tuesday, Moonachie Police Lt. Jeff Napolitano confirmed to New Jersey 101.5.\nMcDaniel was with her 1-year-old girl and the child's aunt.\nAfter she was taken to the store's security office, McDaniel placed the baby girl on the ground and kicked her in the back, Napolitano said. The toddler was sent across the floor and into the security office.\nAccording to Napolitano, the incident was caught on security cameras. He said video of the kick was turned over to Bergen County court but was not yet publicly available.\nThe theft protection workers then picked up the inconsolable child, handed her to McDaniel's sister, and called the police.\n\"McDaniel, upset by the girl who was now screaming and crying while being held by her aunt, began punching walls and yelling for the baby to stop crying,\" Napolitano explained. \"McDaniel also grabbed the baby and began to shake her while she was being held by her aunt.\"\nMoonachie cops soon arrived at the store and called an ambulance to evaluate the baby. Fortunately, first responders found the child was uninjured.\nThe mother is charged with endangering the welfare of a child, assault, shoplifting, and criminal mischief, according to Napolitano.\nMcDaniel was sent to Bergen County jail, which is where she remains as of Wednesday evening. The aunt was not charged and the child was given to family members.\n\nGod help that poor baby.",
">\n\nSome people really need to not have kids",
">\n\nMore people should have abortions. If someone cannot or doesn’t want to raise a child abortion should be the first choice. Bringing children into this world only for them to suffer is awful. So many wind up in the foster system and no one adopts them then they age out. Then you have adults who have no family or resources and continue to suffer. \nAnytime someone says abortion is bad and they should just birth the child and give it up for adoption should be required to take one of those children into their homes. \nCausing unwavering suffering of another living being is immoral.",
">\n\nI absolutely agree but there is also a large subset of people that WANT to have kids but are still completely awful parents.",
">\n\nHence, the reverse abortion! A simple way to solve these issues",
">\n\nWhat's a reverse abortion? Shoving the child back up the coochie and into the uterus?? \nMaybe I'm just super dumb today and drank too much or too little coffee, but I really don't know what a reverse abortion would be. \nAm I going to feel really stupid when you tell me? If so, that's ok, just tell me anyway, I'm used to feeling stupid.",
">\n\nInstead of aborting babies, abort the parents",
">\n\nCan you legally abort a baby after 18 years?",
">\n\nSometimes I ask my mom if she would feel comfortable having a 124th trimester abortion. My brother is not working out.",
">\n\nReading that article, it sounds like being a shoplifter is the best thing about her.",
">\n\nWhen my kids were little I found it almost impossible to read articles like this. They would stick with me for days or weeks. \nI really hope that baby ends up in a loving home because game fucking over for mom.",
">\n\nI have a 1½‐year-old and reading this makes me want to cry.",
">\n\nSame. I just can’t read anything like this, it’s so horrifying. And I just hold my kiddo and cry and then be sad I can’t love all the babies and protect them all. \nKids are just so freaking pure and good and they just want to be loved and safe like that’s it man. How could you do something to something so innocent?",
">\n\nReading your comment, in contrast to OP’s horror inducing title, legit just brought a tear to my eye. Makes me hug my kiddos extra just thinking about it!",
">\n\nIf she kicks and shakes the baby in public, I can’t imagine what she does to that poor child at home. Disgusting woman.",
">\n\nAbortion should be legal so we can make sure this woman never existed.",
">\n\nWe should be able to abort the mother in this instance.",
">\n\nThat’s… that’s what he just inferred",
">\n\nDoesn't hurt to drive the point home",
">\n\nYou see horrible parenting in a walmart any day, but this is is, I think, the worst I've heard of. I hope she doesn't get that poor kid back.",
">\n\nUnfortunately, in this circumstance, it's better for her to do this shit in public and get caught so the baby (and other possible kids) gets taken away. If that's what she does in public, imagine what she does behind closed doors.",
">\n\nHoly fuck, Adblock on Firefox shows 450+ blocked on that website alone???",
">\n\nNow do you see why everyone on reddit is losing their mind over the news that Chrome is preventing ad block.\nIf you haven't switched to Firefox or something else, you might want to start test driving a few browsers because good LORD you have no idea how bad things are without ad block.",
">\n\nPiece of trash. Even reading the article boils my blood.",
">\n\nDefinitely r/iamatotalpieceofshit material",
">\n\nThank god she showed her true abusive colours while on camera and in front of everyone. Now the kid will be protected from her and serious injury/trauma prevented.",
">\n\nI hope this baby finds her way to a loving and caring mother, and I hope this lady gets the mental help she needs.",
">\n\nYea and maybe my mom will quit drinking and my dad will come home.",
">\n\nHope is sometimes all we have",
">\n\nMy best friend’s mom was a foster parent for many years. She was well known by DFACS for taking in their most difficult cases, children of severe abuse, often arriving in the middle of the night with nothing more than the clothes on their backs. She didn’t have a lot of money, bit she somehow made due for all of the kids. She was practical and no nonsense, pragmatic and loving. I learned a lot about how to stretch a dollar to make struggle meals from her. Full bellies and full hearts.\nWhen I was a new mother, she was my lifeline. I knew nothing about babies and she patiently taught me what I needed to know. She talked me through my son’s first bath over the telephone, I was exhausted from lack of sleep because my baby had severe colic. And, Ms S would gather him into her arms and rock him in her special creaky rocking chair. And, he fell into a blissful and untroubled sleep. She was truly a baby whisperer. \nHer heart and soul were devoted to children who were victims of horrific abuse. She took in a toddler who had spent much of his young life living in a cage. He was non verbal and unable to walk. After several years, she brought him up to nearly his age level. He was walking and verbal. The state stepped in and returned him to his newly “reformed” mother.\nHe was returned to Ms S a year later, with severe setbacks. She did everything that she could for this boy. Bit, when the state took him back again, she was done. Eventually, her remaining kids aged out of the system.\nAnyway, long ass story. Please forgive me for this. I’m just thinking about the little girl from this story and hoping that she lands in the lap of a Ms S in a special creaky rocking chair and comes to know comfort from a truly caring person and never has to be returned to an uncaring and abusive ”mother”.\nRIP Ms S for being the only real mom to many kids and for being a very special Grandmom to my kids . Never forgotten and always remembered.",
">\n\nCool story man. She sounds like a fantastic person",
">\n\nI swear i think i live next to this woman... Always screaming and swearing at her kids at the top of her lungs...",
">\n\nCall cps. Lived in a similar situation awhile back. I was afraid to call, wish I would be called earlier looking back at it.",
">\n\nDealt with CPS as a child growing up. They don’t care. My parents would have gone to jail had i been an animal and they were just as abusive. Especially if the child has no other family nearby to take em.",
">\n\nSounds awful for you. Im really sorry. As far as CPS goes I didn’t know what else do to, any ideas in case I find myself in a similar situation?\nNot too long after I called they moved out in the middle of the night and left their dog behind. Wish they would have left the kids wouldve adopted them too. \nHope you’re doing good now internet stranger.",
">\n\nShe obviously can't be trusted with her child, but I hope she gets the help that she clearly needs.",
">\n\nShe obviously hates the child and doesn't know how to take care of it so it should be taken and given to somebody who can take care of it and appreciate it. \nIt really makes me sick that there's people out there that struggle to get pregnant and want so desperately to have babies... And then you have this woman who decides to use her baby like a football. 🙄",
">\n\nYeah I hear kangaroos will throw their babies out to escape",
">\n\nI’m not advocating for violence, but the blunt end of a shingler’s hatchet works wonders as an attitude-correction tool.",
">\n\nThat's very Walmart of her",
">\n\ndead kid walking\nmom will get a slap on the wrist, at some point the courts will agree to a reunification plan, mom gets kid back\nmom and her boyfriend beat kid to death after starving it and abusing it for it's short miserable life",
">\n\nThat is such an extremely disgusting act to do. Baby deserves better than that.",
">\n\nSomeone is about to lose her parental rights.",
">\n\nI really wish I never clicked on this post. Not everyone is fit to be a parent.",
">\n\nThe charges aren’t severe enough. “Endangering the welfare?” A kick from an adult can kill a one year old baby…\nShe needs to go to prison for good.",
">\n\nI expect a lot of stories like this over the next decade as abortion restrictions lead to people who aren't prepared for kids to become parents.",
">\n\nCan we not link everything that and instead focus on the fact this a shitty person instead?",
">\n\nok and abortion reduces the number of shitty people having children. it is all related.",
">\n\nThere is no guarantee shitty people would go about it. They still have to want to do it during a very limited window.",
">\n\nJust pure numbers, more abortions mean at least one less shitty person having kids",
">\n\nJust read the article, I hope the baby is safe, taken out of her custody permanently, and this vile bitch is spayed like a stray dog and thrown into jail for 5-7 years. (I'm aware that won't happen) Fucking worst type of human. Disgusting and reprehensible behavior.",
">\n\nWatch the downfall of Mankind: Go to r/publicfreakout search \"WalMart\"... \"Waffle House\", \"MacDonald's\" and \"Starbucks\" will suffice also.",
">\n\nI can't be the only who thinks it's interesting as a society we have to take have qualifications for certain jobs but to be a parent.. fuck it, you don't need training at all.. seems a little fucked up",
">\n\nThere are evil assholes in this thread saying that people have a god-given right to have, kill, barbecue and eat their own children. They claim it's \"freedom from state over-reach\", but it means they want to kill, barbecue and eat children with zero consequences. Child abuse is common in this world. My own father beat me until I put him in the hospital and then never saw him again. These assholes want to make sure fathers are allowed to beat their children freely, and that any child who defends themself is punished. Fuck those people!\nThe state has a role in protecting children. And anyone against it is an enemy of decency.",
">\n\nPaterson, NJ. No surprise....",
">\n\nThe surprise is it’s not Florida.",
">\n\nAnother baby mama loses her child. Don't worry; she'll make more.",
">\n\nThat is not a mom, this is a piece of trash that let some guy rawdog her.",
">\n\nSpay her and lock her up for ten years. In no way should she ever be in a position to bring more children into the world to abuse. \nWhat hasn't been caught on camera in this woman's home? What emotional damage has already been inflicted prior that might not be able to be fixed?",
">\n\nLike the quokka, shoplifters are known to throw their offspring down to bait predators and increase the chances of escape.",
">\n\nPrison and throw away the key",
">\n\nBruh that’s a rough 23 😬",
">\n\nSo a typical Walmart outing",
">\n\nI think this is the appropriate use of the phrase \"that woman is a cunt\".",
">\n\nLast minute effort to clinch the Mother of the Year Award?",
">\n\nThe Quokka defense rarely works for humans.",
">\n\nSo… another normal day at any American Walmart then?",
">\n\nFrankly the supreme court really messed us all up. But what we have here is someone that is obviously to unstable to be a parent.",
">\n\nWould be really hard to watch this and not punch that cunt in the face repeatedly. Maybe a kick or two as well.",
">\n\nIf she’s willing to do that in public, I can’t even fathom what she would do to that child at home.",
">\n\nThey call this a Soccer mom.",
">\n\nThrow her trashy ass in jail",
">\n\nI read stuff like this and realize some people aren’t worthy of living. Hope the kid turns out alright because she’s not worthy of anything.",
">\n\nThe cycle continues for that family. Always remember you can be the one to change things but it takes patience which I think is something that should be stressed a lot more but isn't. If you don't have patience then you won't be able to deal with a screaming 1-year-old. It's that simple.",
">\n\n\"Kick the baby!\" - Kyle Broflovski",
">\n\nThis is a horrifically damaged person. In no way do I excuse her abuse of this poor little baby, though.",
">\n\nYes, yes, bad mother, poor child and all that. Clearly this lady has some issues and very likely needs professional psychiatric help. Or maybe she's just a narcissistic, entitled asshole. Either way she should've never been saddled with a child.",
">\n\ni wish you weren't being downvoted, because obviously this woman has some issues, and the age of the child indicates that it could be postpartum depression, which is not nothing. or, like you said, she could just be an asshole. \nscreaming and punching a wall because a baby was crying? that is definitely not normal. obviously it's horrible that the baby has been abused, and thankfully it is physically okay from this assault, but the mom obviously needs help.",
">\n\nYeah, people in this thread are clamoring for her to be thrown in jail but that really isnt gonna solve anything (shed probably come out worse).\nShes clearly not all there.",
">\n\nand i'm getting downvoted for saying she needs help, lol what.",
">\n\nYou're being down voted for worrying about the wrong person. The child is the one that needs compassion. The abusers needs are less important.",
">\n\nMost Walmart sentence ever.",
">\n\nI obviously know nothing of this woman and her history but uncharacteristic rage and unfortunately in some cases violent outbursts can be a sign of postpartum depression. Hormones can do crazy things.",
">\n\nYou and her both need to walk into traffic",
">\n\nSeems like a solid way to deal with mental illness? Postpartum depression is a very real thing and can make people act in uncharacteristic ways.",
">\n\nQueue up the Janes Addiction",
">\n\nSay what you mean.",
">\n\nIt’s right there ^",
">\n\nI guess you got too embarrassed or downvoted and deleted it right after that comment eh?",
">\n\nNope. It’s all right there still.",
">\n\nIt says deleted clear as day, but alright. I’ll just look up the edits because I’m curious.",
">\n\nNothing was deleted by me and still shows so 🤷🏻♂️",
">\n\nThis isn’t fucking news Jesus Christ",
">\n\nAm I the only one whose second thought after “how can you do that to your baby” was “why is this article especially the headline putting shoplifting on the same level with doing that to your baby?”\nI’m not one of those people who thinks shoplifting is cool or whatever but…this is some really blatant “arson, murder, and jaywalking” stuff.",
">\n\nHow is the headline putting the crimes on the same level? It's literally just the events that happened, a mom who was shoplifting kicked her baby after being caught. The headline is not trying to equate assaulting a baby with shoplifting.",
">\n\nIt mentioned the shoplifting before kicking the baby (really burying the lede there).",
">\n\nBecause it happened during a confrontation with security guards.",
">\n\nIsn’t shopping at Walmart in itself shoplifting?",
">\n\nI can't imagine that the others in that room would have a very different story. Let's hear your defense of this woman's actions.",
">\n\nBecause at the moment, that's what makes the most sense given the information at hand.\nYou, on the other hand, are going exactly the opposite direction. You're essentially blaming the police without any evidence.\nHow about we all wait for now information before passing any judgement on anyone?",
">\n\nLook back and point to the statement that “blames police” for me.\nOf course it’s the “information at hand”; they have a vested interest in making it available.\nI’m literally saying “you only have one side of the argument” and you (and many others) are downvoting for even suggesting that very thing.",
">\n\n\nWhy give police the benefit of the doubt?\nWhy give the police version the benefit of the doubt?\n\nStating that twice really makes you look like you're saying the police are the problem, here. The police weren't involved at the start. The article says they were called later. Have you reason to doubt that part of the story? Do you think they were there from the start and that they made her kick the baby? Or maybe that a cop did that and they are trying to blame it on her to absolve themselves? In front of the witnesses at the scene? It's a leap that didn't make sense to me. Unless you have more information than is in the article...\nI find the information in the article, as presented, a reasonable place to start. If I see more coming out of this in coming days that showed the police did something wrong, I'll most certainly consider what's reported then.",
">\n\n“Believe police versions” is what you’re saying.\nAt least be honest.",
">\n\nOne of the few articles that made me say “wtf”. Poor child.",
">\n\nSounds like she was under the influence of some drug. 😢"
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So glad this happened where it could be caught on camera and police were involved so this child can be take away!
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"That website is giving my browser cancer so here's the text for anyone else who can't get it to load properly.\n\nTETERBORO — A mother kicked her baby daughter and sent the child careening across the floor after shoplifting from Walmart, according to police.\nJamira McDaniel, 23, of Paterson, was caught stealing at the supercenter in Teterboro by Walmart theft protection personnel on Tuesday, Moonachie Police Lt. Jeff Napolitano confirmed to New Jersey 101.5.\nMcDaniel was with her 1-year-old girl and the child's aunt.\nAfter she was taken to the store's security office, McDaniel placed the baby girl on the ground and kicked her in the back, Napolitano said. The toddler was sent across the floor and into the security office.\nAccording to Napolitano, the incident was caught on security cameras. He said video of the kick was turned over to Bergen County court but was not yet publicly available.\nThe theft protection workers then picked up the inconsolable child, handed her to McDaniel's sister, and called the police.\n\"McDaniel, upset by the girl who was now screaming and crying while being held by her aunt, began punching walls and yelling for the baby to stop crying,\" Napolitano explained. \"McDaniel also grabbed the baby and began to shake her while she was being held by her aunt.\"\nMoonachie cops soon arrived at the store and called an ambulance to evaluate the baby. Fortunately, first responders found the child was uninjured.\nThe mother is charged with endangering the welfare of a child, assault, shoplifting, and criminal mischief, according to Napolitano.\nMcDaniel was sent to Bergen County jail, which is where she remains as of Wednesday evening. The aunt was not charged and the child was given to family members.\n\nGod help that poor baby.",
">\n\nSome people really need to not have kids",
">\n\nMore people should have abortions. If someone cannot or doesn’t want to raise a child abortion should be the first choice. Bringing children into this world only for them to suffer is awful. So many wind up in the foster system and no one adopts them then they age out. Then you have adults who have no family or resources and continue to suffer. \nAnytime someone says abortion is bad and they should just birth the child and give it up for adoption should be required to take one of those children into their homes. \nCausing unwavering suffering of another living being is immoral.",
">\n\nI absolutely agree but there is also a large subset of people that WANT to have kids but are still completely awful parents.",
">\n\nHence, the reverse abortion! A simple way to solve these issues",
">\n\nWhat's a reverse abortion? Shoving the child back up the coochie and into the uterus?? \nMaybe I'm just super dumb today and drank too much or too little coffee, but I really don't know what a reverse abortion would be. \nAm I going to feel really stupid when you tell me? If so, that's ok, just tell me anyway, I'm used to feeling stupid.",
">\n\nInstead of aborting babies, abort the parents",
">\n\nCan you legally abort a baby after 18 years?",
">\n\nSometimes I ask my mom if she would feel comfortable having a 124th trimester abortion. My brother is not working out.",
">\n\nReading that article, it sounds like being a shoplifter is the best thing about her.",
">\n\nWhen my kids were little I found it almost impossible to read articles like this. They would stick with me for days or weeks. \nI really hope that baby ends up in a loving home because game fucking over for mom.",
">\n\nI have a 1½‐year-old and reading this makes me want to cry.",
">\n\nSame. I just can’t read anything like this, it’s so horrifying. And I just hold my kiddo and cry and then be sad I can’t love all the babies and protect them all. \nKids are just so freaking pure and good and they just want to be loved and safe like that’s it man. How could you do something to something so innocent?",
">\n\nReading your comment, in contrast to OP’s horror inducing title, legit just brought a tear to my eye. Makes me hug my kiddos extra just thinking about it!",
">\n\nIf she kicks and shakes the baby in public, I can’t imagine what she does to that poor child at home. Disgusting woman.",
">\n\nAbortion should be legal so we can make sure this woman never existed.",
">\n\nWe should be able to abort the mother in this instance.",
">\n\nThat’s… that’s what he just inferred",
">\n\nDoesn't hurt to drive the point home",
">\n\nYou see horrible parenting in a walmart any day, but this is is, I think, the worst I've heard of. I hope she doesn't get that poor kid back.",
">\n\nUnfortunately, in this circumstance, it's better for her to do this shit in public and get caught so the baby (and other possible kids) gets taken away. If that's what she does in public, imagine what she does behind closed doors.",
">\n\nHoly fuck, Adblock on Firefox shows 450+ blocked on that website alone???",
">\n\nNow do you see why everyone on reddit is losing their mind over the news that Chrome is preventing ad block.\nIf you haven't switched to Firefox or something else, you might want to start test driving a few browsers because good LORD you have no idea how bad things are without ad block.",
">\n\nPiece of trash. Even reading the article boils my blood.",
">\n\nDefinitely r/iamatotalpieceofshit material",
">\n\nThank god she showed her true abusive colours while on camera and in front of everyone. Now the kid will be protected from her and serious injury/trauma prevented.",
">\n\nI hope this baby finds her way to a loving and caring mother, and I hope this lady gets the mental help she needs.",
">\n\nYea and maybe my mom will quit drinking and my dad will come home.",
">\n\nHope is sometimes all we have",
">\n\nMy best friend’s mom was a foster parent for many years. She was well known by DFACS for taking in their most difficult cases, children of severe abuse, often arriving in the middle of the night with nothing more than the clothes on their backs. She didn’t have a lot of money, bit she somehow made due for all of the kids. She was practical and no nonsense, pragmatic and loving. I learned a lot about how to stretch a dollar to make struggle meals from her. Full bellies and full hearts.\nWhen I was a new mother, she was my lifeline. I knew nothing about babies and she patiently taught me what I needed to know. She talked me through my son’s first bath over the telephone, I was exhausted from lack of sleep because my baby had severe colic. And, Ms S would gather him into her arms and rock him in her special creaky rocking chair. And, he fell into a blissful and untroubled sleep. She was truly a baby whisperer. \nHer heart and soul were devoted to children who were victims of horrific abuse. She took in a toddler who had spent much of his young life living in a cage. He was non verbal and unable to walk. After several years, she brought him up to nearly his age level. He was walking and verbal. The state stepped in and returned him to his newly “reformed” mother.\nHe was returned to Ms S a year later, with severe setbacks. She did everything that she could for this boy. Bit, when the state took him back again, she was done. Eventually, her remaining kids aged out of the system.\nAnyway, long ass story. Please forgive me for this. I’m just thinking about the little girl from this story and hoping that she lands in the lap of a Ms S in a special creaky rocking chair and comes to know comfort from a truly caring person and never has to be returned to an uncaring and abusive ”mother”.\nRIP Ms S for being the only real mom to many kids and for being a very special Grandmom to my kids . Never forgotten and always remembered.",
">\n\nCool story man. She sounds like a fantastic person",
">\n\nI swear i think i live next to this woman... Always screaming and swearing at her kids at the top of her lungs...",
">\n\nCall cps. Lived in a similar situation awhile back. I was afraid to call, wish I would be called earlier looking back at it.",
">\n\nDealt with CPS as a child growing up. They don’t care. My parents would have gone to jail had i been an animal and they were just as abusive. Especially if the child has no other family nearby to take em.",
">\n\nSounds awful for you. Im really sorry. As far as CPS goes I didn’t know what else do to, any ideas in case I find myself in a similar situation?\nNot too long after I called they moved out in the middle of the night and left their dog behind. Wish they would have left the kids wouldve adopted them too. \nHope you’re doing good now internet stranger.",
">\n\nShe obviously can't be trusted with her child, but I hope she gets the help that she clearly needs.",
">\n\nShe obviously hates the child and doesn't know how to take care of it so it should be taken and given to somebody who can take care of it and appreciate it. \nIt really makes me sick that there's people out there that struggle to get pregnant and want so desperately to have babies... And then you have this woman who decides to use her baby like a football. 🙄",
">\n\nYeah I hear kangaroos will throw their babies out to escape",
">\n\nI’m not advocating for violence, but the blunt end of a shingler’s hatchet works wonders as an attitude-correction tool.",
">\n\nThat's very Walmart of her",
">\n\ndead kid walking\nmom will get a slap on the wrist, at some point the courts will agree to a reunification plan, mom gets kid back\nmom and her boyfriend beat kid to death after starving it and abusing it for it's short miserable life",
">\n\nThat is such an extremely disgusting act to do. Baby deserves better than that.",
">\n\nSomeone is about to lose her parental rights.",
">\n\nI really wish I never clicked on this post. Not everyone is fit to be a parent.",
">\n\nThe charges aren’t severe enough. “Endangering the welfare?” A kick from an adult can kill a one year old baby…\nShe needs to go to prison for good.",
">\n\nI expect a lot of stories like this over the next decade as abortion restrictions lead to people who aren't prepared for kids to become parents.",
">\n\nCan we not link everything that and instead focus on the fact this a shitty person instead?",
">\n\nok and abortion reduces the number of shitty people having children. it is all related.",
">\n\nThere is no guarantee shitty people would go about it. They still have to want to do it during a very limited window.",
">\n\nJust pure numbers, more abortions mean at least one less shitty person having kids",
">\n\nJust read the article, I hope the baby is safe, taken out of her custody permanently, and this vile bitch is spayed like a stray dog and thrown into jail for 5-7 years. (I'm aware that won't happen) Fucking worst type of human. Disgusting and reprehensible behavior.",
">\n\nWatch the downfall of Mankind: Go to r/publicfreakout search \"WalMart\"... \"Waffle House\", \"MacDonald's\" and \"Starbucks\" will suffice also.",
">\n\nI can't be the only who thinks it's interesting as a society we have to take have qualifications for certain jobs but to be a parent.. fuck it, you don't need training at all.. seems a little fucked up",
">\n\nThere are evil assholes in this thread saying that people have a god-given right to have, kill, barbecue and eat their own children. They claim it's \"freedom from state over-reach\", but it means they want to kill, barbecue and eat children with zero consequences. Child abuse is common in this world. My own father beat me until I put him in the hospital and then never saw him again. These assholes want to make sure fathers are allowed to beat their children freely, and that any child who defends themself is punished. Fuck those people!\nThe state has a role in protecting children. And anyone against it is an enemy of decency.",
">\n\nPaterson, NJ. No surprise....",
">\n\nThe surprise is it’s not Florida.",
">\n\nAnother baby mama loses her child. Don't worry; she'll make more.",
">\n\nThat is not a mom, this is a piece of trash that let some guy rawdog her.",
">\n\nSpay her and lock her up for ten years. In no way should she ever be in a position to bring more children into the world to abuse. \nWhat hasn't been caught on camera in this woman's home? What emotional damage has already been inflicted prior that might not be able to be fixed?",
">\n\nLike the quokka, shoplifters are known to throw their offspring down to bait predators and increase the chances of escape.",
">\n\nPrison and throw away the key",
">\n\nBruh that’s a rough 23 😬",
">\n\nSo a typical Walmart outing",
">\n\nI think this is the appropriate use of the phrase \"that woman is a cunt\".",
">\n\nLast minute effort to clinch the Mother of the Year Award?",
">\n\nThe Quokka defense rarely works for humans.",
">\n\nSo… another normal day at any American Walmart then?",
">\n\nFrankly the supreme court really messed us all up. But what we have here is someone that is obviously to unstable to be a parent.",
">\n\nWould be really hard to watch this and not punch that cunt in the face repeatedly. Maybe a kick or two as well.",
">\n\nIf she’s willing to do that in public, I can’t even fathom what she would do to that child at home.",
">\n\nThey call this a Soccer mom.",
">\n\nThrow her trashy ass in jail",
">\n\nI read stuff like this and realize some people aren’t worthy of living. Hope the kid turns out alright because she’s not worthy of anything.",
">\n\nThe cycle continues for that family. Always remember you can be the one to change things but it takes patience which I think is something that should be stressed a lot more but isn't. If you don't have patience then you won't be able to deal with a screaming 1-year-old. It's that simple.",
">\n\n\"Kick the baby!\" - Kyle Broflovski",
">\n\nThis is a horrifically damaged person. In no way do I excuse her abuse of this poor little baby, though.",
">\n\nYes, yes, bad mother, poor child and all that. Clearly this lady has some issues and very likely needs professional psychiatric help. Or maybe she's just a narcissistic, entitled asshole. Either way she should've never been saddled with a child.",
">\n\ni wish you weren't being downvoted, because obviously this woman has some issues, and the age of the child indicates that it could be postpartum depression, which is not nothing. or, like you said, she could just be an asshole. \nscreaming and punching a wall because a baby was crying? that is definitely not normal. obviously it's horrible that the baby has been abused, and thankfully it is physically okay from this assault, but the mom obviously needs help.",
">\n\nYeah, people in this thread are clamoring for her to be thrown in jail but that really isnt gonna solve anything (shed probably come out worse).\nShes clearly not all there.",
">\n\nand i'm getting downvoted for saying she needs help, lol what.",
">\n\nYou're being down voted for worrying about the wrong person. The child is the one that needs compassion. The abusers needs are less important.",
">\n\nMost Walmart sentence ever.",
">\n\nI obviously know nothing of this woman and her history but uncharacteristic rage and unfortunately in some cases violent outbursts can be a sign of postpartum depression. Hormones can do crazy things.",
">\n\nYou and her both need to walk into traffic",
">\n\nSeems like a solid way to deal with mental illness? Postpartum depression is a very real thing and can make people act in uncharacteristic ways.",
">\n\nQueue up the Janes Addiction",
">\n\nSay what you mean.",
">\n\nIt’s right there ^",
">\n\nI guess you got too embarrassed or downvoted and deleted it right after that comment eh?",
">\n\nNope. It’s all right there still.",
">\n\nIt says deleted clear as day, but alright. I’ll just look up the edits because I’m curious.",
">\n\nNothing was deleted by me and still shows so 🤷🏻♂️",
">\n\nThis isn’t fucking news Jesus Christ",
">\n\nAm I the only one whose second thought after “how can you do that to your baby” was “why is this article especially the headline putting shoplifting on the same level with doing that to your baby?”\nI’m not one of those people who thinks shoplifting is cool or whatever but…this is some really blatant “arson, murder, and jaywalking” stuff.",
">\n\nHow is the headline putting the crimes on the same level? It's literally just the events that happened, a mom who was shoplifting kicked her baby after being caught. The headline is not trying to equate assaulting a baby with shoplifting.",
">\n\nIt mentioned the shoplifting before kicking the baby (really burying the lede there).",
">\n\nBecause it happened during a confrontation with security guards.",
">\n\nIsn’t shopping at Walmart in itself shoplifting?",
">\n\nI can't imagine that the others in that room would have a very different story. Let's hear your defense of this woman's actions.",
">\n\nBecause at the moment, that's what makes the most sense given the information at hand.\nYou, on the other hand, are going exactly the opposite direction. You're essentially blaming the police without any evidence.\nHow about we all wait for now information before passing any judgement on anyone?",
">\n\nLook back and point to the statement that “blames police” for me.\nOf course it’s the “information at hand”; they have a vested interest in making it available.\nI’m literally saying “you only have one side of the argument” and you (and many others) are downvoting for even suggesting that very thing.",
">\n\n\nWhy give police the benefit of the doubt?\nWhy give the police version the benefit of the doubt?\n\nStating that twice really makes you look like you're saying the police are the problem, here. The police weren't involved at the start. The article says they were called later. Have you reason to doubt that part of the story? Do you think they were there from the start and that they made her kick the baby? Or maybe that a cop did that and they are trying to blame it on her to absolve themselves? In front of the witnesses at the scene? It's a leap that didn't make sense to me. Unless you have more information than is in the article...\nI find the information in the article, as presented, a reasonable place to start. If I see more coming out of this in coming days that showed the police did something wrong, I'll most certainly consider what's reported then.",
">\n\n“Believe police versions” is what you’re saying.\nAt least be honest.",
">\n\nOne of the few articles that made me say “wtf”. Poor child.",
">\n\nSounds like she was under the influence of some drug. 😢",
">\n\nIt will only get worse as more and more unwanted children are born. Thanks supreme court!"
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I hate to say this, but that baby will probably die if the state does nothing.
I hope they both get the help they need.
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"That website is giving my browser cancer so here's the text for anyone else who can't get it to load properly.\n\nTETERBORO — A mother kicked her baby daughter and sent the child careening across the floor after shoplifting from Walmart, according to police.\nJamira McDaniel, 23, of Paterson, was caught stealing at the supercenter in Teterboro by Walmart theft protection personnel on Tuesday, Moonachie Police Lt. Jeff Napolitano confirmed to New Jersey 101.5.\nMcDaniel was with her 1-year-old girl and the child's aunt.\nAfter she was taken to the store's security office, McDaniel placed the baby girl on the ground and kicked her in the back, Napolitano said. The toddler was sent across the floor and into the security office.\nAccording to Napolitano, the incident was caught on security cameras. He said video of the kick was turned over to Bergen County court but was not yet publicly available.\nThe theft protection workers then picked up the inconsolable child, handed her to McDaniel's sister, and called the police.\n\"McDaniel, upset by the girl who was now screaming and crying while being held by her aunt, began punching walls and yelling for the baby to stop crying,\" Napolitano explained. \"McDaniel also grabbed the baby and began to shake her while she was being held by her aunt.\"\nMoonachie cops soon arrived at the store and called an ambulance to evaluate the baby. Fortunately, first responders found the child was uninjured.\nThe mother is charged with endangering the welfare of a child, assault, shoplifting, and criminal mischief, according to Napolitano.\nMcDaniel was sent to Bergen County jail, which is where she remains as of Wednesday evening. The aunt was not charged and the child was given to family members.\n\nGod help that poor baby.",
">\n\nSome people really need to not have kids",
">\n\nMore people should have abortions. If someone cannot or doesn’t want to raise a child abortion should be the first choice. Bringing children into this world only for them to suffer is awful. So many wind up in the foster system and no one adopts them then they age out. Then you have adults who have no family or resources and continue to suffer. \nAnytime someone says abortion is bad and they should just birth the child and give it up for adoption should be required to take one of those children into their homes. \nCausing unwavering suffering of another living being is immoral.",
">\n\nI absolutely agree but there is also a large subset of people that WANT to have kids but are still completely awful parents.",
">\n\nHence, the reverse abortion! A simple way to solve these issues",
">\n\nWhat's a reverse abortion? Shoving the child back up the coochie and into the uterus?? \nMaybe I'm just super dumb today and drank too much or too little coffee, but I really don't know what a reverse abortion would be. \nAm I going to feel really stupid when you tell me? If so, that's ok, just tell me anyway, I'm used to feeling stupid.",
">\n\nInstead of aborting babies, abort the parents",
">\n\nCan you legally abort a baby after 18 years?",
">\n\nSometimes I ask my mom if she would feel comfortable having a 124th trimester abortion. My brother is not working out.",
">\n\nReading that article, it sounds like being a shoplifter is the best thing about her.",
">\n\nWhen my kids were little I found it almost impossible to read articles like this. They would stick with me for days or weeks. \nI really hope that baby ends up in a loving home because game fucking over for mom.",
">\n\nI have a 1½‐year-old and reading this makes me want to cry.",
">\n\nSame. I just can’t read anything like this, it’s so horrifying. And I just hold my kiddo and cry and then be sad I can’t love all the babies and protect them all. \nKids are just so freaking pure and good and they just want to be loved and safe like that’s it man. How could you do something to something so innocent?",
">\n\nReading your comment, in contrast to OP’s horror inducing title, legit just brought a tear to my eye. Makes me hug my kiddos extra just thinking about it!",
">\n\nIf she kicks and shakes the baby in public, I can’t imagine what she does to that poor child at home. Disgusting woman.",
">\n\nAbortion should be legal so we can make sure this woman never existed.",
">\n\nWe should be able to abort the mother in this instance.",
">\n\nThat’s… that’s what he just inferred",
">\n\nDoesn't hurt to drive the point home",
">\n\nYou see horrible parenting in a walmart any day, but this is is, I think, the worst I've heard of. I hope she doesn't get that poor kid back.",
">\n\nUnfortunately, in this circumstance, it's better for her to do this shit in public and get caught so the baby (and other possible kids) gets taken away. If that's what she does in public, imagine what she does behind closed doors.",
">\n\nHoly fuck, Adblock on Firefox shows 450+ blocked on that website alone???",
">\n\nNow do you see why everyone on reddit is losing their mind over the news that Chrome is preventing ad block.\nIf you haven't switched to Firefox or something else, you might want to start test driving a few browsers because good LORD you have no idea how bad things are without ad block.",
">\n\nPiece of trash. Even reading the article boils my blood.",
">\n\nDefinitely r/iamatotalpieceofshit material",
">\n\nThank god she showed her true abusive colours while on camera and in front of everyone. Now the kid will be protected from her and serious injury/trauma prevented.",
">\n\nI hope this baby finds her way to a loving and caring mother, and I hope this lady gets the mental help she needs.",
">\n\nYea and maybe my mom will quit drinking and my dad will come home.",
">\n\nHope is sometimes all we have",
">\n\nMy best friend’s mom was a foster parent for many years. She was well known by DFACS for taking in their most difficult cases, children of severe abuse, often arriving in the middle of the night with nothing more than the clothes on their backs. She didn’t have a lot of money, bit she somehow made due for all of the kids. She was practical and no nonsense, pragmatic and loving. I learned a lot about how to stretch a dollar to make struggle meals from her. Full bellies and full hearts.\nWhen I was a new mother, she was my lifeline. I knew nothing about babies and she patiently taught me what I needed to know. She talked me through my son’s first bath over the telephone, I was exhausted from lack of sleep because my baby had severe colic. And, Ms S would gather him into her arms and rock him in her special creaky rocking chair. And, he fell into a blissful and untroubled sleep. She was truly a baby whisperer. \nHer heart and soul were devoted to children who were victims of horrific abuse. She took in a toddler who had spent much of his young life living in a cage. He was non verbal and unable to walk. After several years, she brought him up to nearly his age level. He was walking and verbal. The state stepped in and returned him to his newly “reformed” mother.\nHe was returned to Ms S a year later, with severe setbacks. She did everything that she could for this boy. Bit, when the state took him back again, she was done. Eventually, her remaining kids aged out of the system.\nAnyway, long ass story. Please forgive me for this. I’m just thinking about the little girl from this story and hoping that she lands in the lap of a Ms S in a special creaky rocking chair and comes to know comfort from a truly caring person and never has to be returned to an uncaring and abusive ”mother”.\nRIP Ms S for being the only real mom to many kids and for being a very special Grandmom to my kids . Never forgotten and always remembered.",
">\n\nCool story man. She sounds like a fantastic person",
">\n\nI swear i think i live next to this woman... Always screaming and swearing at her kids at the top of her lungs...",
">\n\nCall cps. Lived in a similar situation awhile back. I was afraid to call, wish I would be called earlier looking back at it.",
">\n\nDealt with CPS as a child growing up. They don’t care. My parents would have gone to jail had i been an animal and they were just as abusive. Especially if the child has no other family nearby to take em.",
">\n\nSounds awful for you. Im really sorry. As far as CPS goes I didn’t know what else do to, any ideas in case I find myself in a similar situation?\nNot too long after I called they moved out in the middle of the night and left their dog behind. Wish they would have left the kids wouldve adopted them too. \nHope you’re doing good now internet stranger.",
">\n\nShe obviously can't be trusted with her child, but I hope she gets the help that she clearly needs.",
">\n\nShe obviously hates the child and doesn't know how to take care of it so it should be taken and given to somebody who can take care of it and appreciate it. \nIt really makes me sick that there's people out there that struggle to get pregnant and want so desperately to have babies... And then you have this woman who decides to use her baby like a football. 🙄",
">\n\nYeah I hear kangaroos will throw their babies out to escape",
">\n\nI’m not advocating for violence, but the blunt end of a shingler’s hatchet works wonders as an attitude-correction tool.",
">\n\nThat's very Walmart of her",
">\n\ndead kid walking\nmom will get a slap on the wrist, at some point the courts will agree to a reunification plan, mom gets kid back\nmom and her boyfriend beat kid to death after starving it and abusing it for it's short miserable life",
">\n\nThat is such an extremely disgusting act to do. Baby deserves better than that.",
">\n\nSomeone is about to lose her parental rights.",
">\n\nI really wish I never clicked on this post. Not everyone is fit to be a parent.",
">\n\nThe charges aren’t severe enough. “Endangering the welfare?” A kick from an adult can kill a one year old baby…\nShe needs to go to prison for good.",
">\n\nI expect a lot of stories like this over the next decade as abortion restrictions lead to people who aren't prepared for kids to become parents.",
">\n\nCan we not link everything that and instead focus on the fact this a shitty person instead?",
">\n\nok and abortion reduces the number of shitty people having children. it is all related.",
">\n\nThere is no guarantee shitty people would go about it. They still have to want to do it during a very limited window.",
">\n\nJust pure numbers, more abortions mean at least one less shitty person having kids",
">\n\nJust read the article, I hope the baby is safe, taken out of her custody permanently, and this vile bitch is spayed like a stray dog and thrown into jail for 5-7 years. (I'm aware that won't happen) Fucking worst type of human. Disgusting and reprehensible behavior.",
">\n\nWatch the downfall of Mankind: Go to r/publicfreakout search \"WalMart\"... \"Waffle House\", \"MacDonald's\" and \"Starbucks\" will suffice also.",
">\n\nI can't be the only who thinks it's interesting as a society we have to take have qualifications for certain jobs but to be a parent.. fuck it, you don't need training at all.. seems a little fucked up",
">\n\nThere are evil assholes in this thread saying that people have a god-given right to have, kill, barbecue and eat their own children. They claim it's \"freedom from state over-reach\", but it means they want to kill, barbecue and eat children with zero consequences. Child abuse is common in this world. My own father beat me until I put him in the hospital and then never saw him again. These assholes want to make sure fathers are allowed to beat their children freely, and that any child who defends themself is punished. Fuck those people!\nThe state has a role in protecting children. And anyone against it is an enemy of decency.",
">\n\nPaterson, NJ. No surprise....",
">\n\nThe surprise is it’s not Florida.",
">\n\nAnother baby mama loses her child. Don't worry; she'll make more.",
">\n\nThat is not a mom, this is a piece of trash that let some guy rawdog her.",
">\n\nSpay her and lock her up for ten years. In no way should she ever be in a position to bring more children into the world to abuse. \nWhat hasn't been caught on camera in this woman's home? What emotional damage has already been inflicted prior that might not be able to be fixed?",
">\n\nLike the quokka, shoplifters are known to throw their offspring down to bait predators and increase the chances of escape.",
">\n\nPrison and throw away the key",
">\n\nBruh that’s a rough 23 😬",
">\n\nSo a typical Walmart outing",
">\n\nI think this is the appropriate use of the phrase \"that woman is a cunt\".",
">\n\nLast minute effort to clinch the Mother of the Year Award?",
">\n\nThe Quokka defense rarely works for humans.",
">\n\nSo… another normal day at any American Walmart then?",
">\n\nFrankly the supreme court really messed us all up. But what we have here is someone that is obviously to unstable to be a parent.",
">\n\nWould be really hard to watch this and not punch that cunt in the face repeatedly. Maybe a kick or two as well.",
">\n\nIf she’s willing to do that in public, I can’t even fathom what she would do to that child at home.",
">\n\nThey call this a Soccer mom.",
">\n\nThrow her trashy ass in jail",
">\n\nI read stuff like this and realize some people aren’t worthy of living. Hope the kid turns out alright because she’s not worthy of anything.",
">\n\nThe cycle continues for that family. Always remember you can be the one to change things but it takes patience which I think is something that should be stressed a lot more but isn't. If you don't have patience then you won't be able to deal with a screaming 1-year-old. It's that simple.",
">\n\n\"Kick the baby!\" - Kyle Broflovski",
">\n\nThis is a horrifically damaged person. In no way do I excuse her abuse of this poor little baby, though.",
">\n\nYes, yes, bad mother, poor child and all that. Clearly this lady has some issues and very likely needs professional psychiatric help. Or maybe she's just a narcissistic, entitled asshole. Either way she should've never been saddled with a child.",
">\n\ni wish you weren't being downvoted, because obviously this woman has some issues, and the age of the child indicates that it could be postpartum depression, which is not nothing. or, like you said, she could just be an asshole. \nscreaming and punching a wall because a baby was crying? that is definitely not normal. obviously it's horrible that the baby has been abused, and thankfully it is physically okay from this assault, but the mom obviously needs help.",
">\n\nYeah, people in this thread are clamoring for her to be thrown in jail but that really isnt gonna solve anything (shed probably come out worse).\nShes clearly not all there.",
">\n\nand i'm getting downvoted for saying she needs help, lol what.",
">\n\nYou're being down voted for worrying about the wrong person. The child is the one that needs compassion. The abusers needs are less important.",
">\n\nMost Walmart sentence ever.",
">\n\nI obviously know nothing of this woman and her history but uncharacteristic rage and unfortunately in some cases violent outbursts can be a sign of postpartum depression. Hormones can do crazy things.",
">\n\nYou and her both need to walk into traffic",
">\n\nSeems like a solid way to deal with mental illness? Postpartum depression is a very real thing and can make people act in uncharacteristic ways.",
">\n\nQueue up the Janes Addiction",
">\n\nSay what you mean.",
">\n\nIt’s right there ^",
">\n\nI guess you got too embarrassed or downvoted and deleted it right after that comment eh?",
">\n\nNope. It’s all right there still.",
">\n\nIt says deleted clear as day, but alright. I’ll just look up the edits because I’m curious.",
">\n\nNothing was deleted by me and still shows so 🤷🏻♂️",
">\n\nThis isn’t fucking news Jesus Christ",
">\n\nAm I the only one whose second thought after “how can you do that to your baby” was “why is this article especially the headline putting shoplifting on the same level with doing that to your baby?”\nI’m not one of those people who thinks shoplifting is cool or whatever but…this is some really blatant “arson, murder, and jaywalking” stuff.",
">\n\nHow is the headline putting the crimes on the same level? It's literally just the events that happened, a mom who was shoplifting kicked her baby after being caught. The headline is not trying to equate assaulting a baby with shoplifting.",
">\n\nIt mentioned the shoplifting before kicking the baby (really burying the lede there).",
">\n\nBecause it happened during a confrontation with security guards.",
">\n\nIsn’t shopping at Walmart in itself shoplifting?",
">\n\nI can't imagine that the others in that room would have a very different story. Let's hear your defense of this woman's actions.",
">\n\nBecause at the moment, that's what makes the most sense given the information at hand.\nYou, on the other hand, are going exactly the opposite direction. You're essentially blaming the police without any evidence.\nHow about we all wait for now information before passing any judgement on anyone?",
">\n\nLook back and point to the statement that “blames police” for me.\nOf course it’s the “information at hand”; they have a vested interest in making it available.\nI’m literally saying “you only have one side of the argument” and you (and many others) are downvoting for even suggesting that very thing.",
">\n\n\nWhy give police the benefit of the doubt?\nWhy give the police version the benefit of the doubt?\n\nStating that twice really makes you look like you're saying the police are the problem, here. The police weren't involved at the start. The article says they were called later. Have you reason to doubt that part of the story? Do you think they were there from the start and that they made her kick the baby? Or maybe that a cop did that and they are trying to blame it on her to absolve themselves? In front of the witnesses at the scene? It's a leap that didn't make sense to me. Unless you have more information than is in the article...\nI find the information in the article, as presented, a reasonable place to start. If I see more coming out of this in coming days that showed the police did something wrong, I'll most certainly consider what's reported then.",
">\n\n“Believe police versions” is what you’re saying.\nAt least be honest.",
">\n\nOne of the few articles that made me say “wtf”. Poor child.",
">\n\nSounds like she was under the influence of some drug. 😢",
">\n\nIt will only get worse as more and more unwanted children are born. Thanks supreme court!",
">\n\nSo glad this happened where it could be caught on camera and police were involved so this child can be take away!"
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There are many people in this thread committed to making sure the state is never allowed to stop child abuse. They support parental rights to kill, barbecue and eat their offspring in broad day light and nobody should even be allowed to mention that it's unsightly to eat dismembered children in the park. Those who mention that child abuse is bad will just be told that millions of dead children on yearly basis is worth it as long as it stops the state from overreaching itself once a century.
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"That website is giving my browser cancer so here's the text for anyone else who can't get it to load properly.\n\nTETERBORO — A mother kicked her baby daughter and sent the child careening across the floor after shoplifting from Walmart, according to police.\nJamira McDaniel, 23, of Paterson, was caught stealing at the supercenter in Teterboro by Walmart theft protection personnel on Tuesday, Moonachie Police Lt. Jeff Napolitano confirmed to New Jersey 101.5.\nMcDaniel was with her 1-year-old girl and the child's aunt.\nAfter she was taken to the store's security office, McDaniel placed the baby girl on the ground and kicked her in the back, Napolitano said. The toddler was sent across the floor and into the security office.\nAccording to Napolitano, the incident was caught on security cameras. He said video of the kick was turned over to Bergen County court but was not yet publicly available.\nThe theft protection workers then picked up the inconsolable child, handed her to McDaniel's sister, and called the police.\n\"McDaniel, upset by the girl who was now screaming and crying while being held by her aunt, began punching walls and yelling for the baby to stop crying,\" Napolitano explained. \"McDaniel also grabbed the baby and began to shake her while she was being held by her aunt.\"\nMoonachie cops soon arrived at the store and called an ambulance to evaluate the baby. Fortunately, first responders found the child was uninjured.\nThe mother is charged with endangering the welfare of a child, assault, shoplifting, and criminal mischief, according to Napolitano.\nMcDaniel was sent to Bergen County jail, which is where she remains as of Wednesday evening. The aunt was not charged and the child was given to family members.\n\nGod help that poor baby.",
">\n\nSome people really need to not have kids",
">\n\nMore people should have abortions. If someone cannot or doesn’t want to raise a child abortion should be the first choice. Bringing children into this world only for them to suffer is awful. So many wind up in the foster system and no one adopts them then they age out. Then you have adults who have no family or resources and continue to suffer. \nAnytime someone says abortion is bad and they should just birth the child and give it up for adoption should be required to take one of those children into their homes. \nCausing unwavering suffering of another living being is immoral.",
">\n\nI absolutely agree but there is also a large subset of people that WANT to have kids but are still completely awful parents.",
">\n\nHence, the reverse abortion! A simple way to solve these issues",
">\n\nWhat's a reverse abortion? Shoving the child back up the coochie and into the uterus?? \nMaybe I'm just super dumb today and drank too much or too little coffee, but I really don't know what a reverse abortion would be. \nAm I going to feel really stupid when you tell me? If so, that's ok, just tell me anyway, I'm used to feeling stupid.",
">\n\nInstead of aborting babies, abort the parents",
">\n\nCan you legally abort a baby after 18 years?",
">\n\nSometimes I ask my mom if she would feel comfortable having a 124th trimester abortion. My brother is not working out.",
">\n\nReading that article, it sounds like being a shoplifter is the best thing about her.",
">\n\nWhen my kids were little I found it almost impossible to read articles like this. They would stick with me for days or weeks. \nI really hope that baby ends up in a loving home because game fucking over for mom.",
">\n\nI have a 1½‐year-old and reading this makes me want to cry.",
">\n\nSame. I just can’t read anything like this, it’s so horrifying. And I just hold my kiddo and cry and then be sad I can’t love all the babies and protect them all. \nKids are just so freaking pure and good and they just want to be loved and safe like that’s it man. How could you do something to something so innocent?",
">\n\nReading your comment, in contrast to OP’s horror inducing title, legit just brought a tear to my eye. Makes me hug my kiddos extra just thinking about it!",
">\n\nIf she kicks and shakes the baby in public, I can’t imagine what she does to that poor child at home. Disgusting woman.",
">\n\nAbortion should be legal so we can make sure this woman never existed.",
">\n\nWe should be able to abort the mother in this instance.",
">\n\nThat’s… that’s what he just inferred",
">\n\nDoesn't hurt to drive the point home",
">\n\nYou see horrible parenting in a walmart any day, but this is is, I think, the worst I've heard of. I hope she doesn't get that poor kid back.",
">\n\nUnfortunately, in this circumstance, it's better for her to do this shit in public and get caught so the baby (and other possible kids) gets taken away. If that's what she does in public, imagine what she does behind closed doors.",
">\n\nHoly fuck, Adblock on Firefox shows 450+ blocked on that website alone???",
">\n\nNow do you see why everyone on reddit is losing their mind over the news that Chrome is preventing ad block.\nIf you haven't switched to Firefox or something else, you might want to start test driving a few browsers because good LORD you have no idea how bad things are without ad block.",
">\n\nPiece of trash. Even reading the article boils my blood.",
">\n\nDefinitely r/iamatotalpieceofshit material",
">\n\nThank god she showed her true abusive colours while on camera and in front of everyone. Now the kid will be protected from her and serious injury/trauma prevented.",
">\n\nI hope this baby finds her way to a loving and caring mother, and I hope this lady gets the mental help she needs.",
">\n\nYea and maybe my mom will quit drinking and my dad will come home.",
">\n\nHope is sometimes all we have",
">\n\nMy best friend’s mom was a foster parent for many years. She was well known by DFACS for taking in their most difficult cases, children of severe abuse, often arriving in the middle of the night with nothing more than the clothes on their backs. She didn’t have a lot of money, bit she somehow made due for all of the kids. She was practical and no nonsense, pragmatic and loving. I learned a lot about how to stretch a dollar to make struggle meals from her. Full bellies and full hearts.\nWhen I was a new mother, she was my lifeline. I knew nothing about babies and she patiently taught me what I needed to know. She talked me through my son’s first bath over the telephone, I was exhausted from lack of sleep because my baby had severe colic. And, Ms S would gather him into her arms and rock him in her special creaky rocking chair. And, he fell into a blissful and untroubled sleep. She was truly a baby whisperer. \nHer heart and soul were devoted to children who were victims of horrific abuse. She took in a toddler who had spent much of his young life living in a cage. He was non verbal and unable to walk. After several years, she brought him up to nearly his age level. He was walking and verbal. The state stepped in and returned him to his newly “reformed” mother.\nHe was returned to Ms S a year later, with severe setbacks. She did everything that she could for this boy. Bit, when the state took him back again, she was done. Eventually, her remaining kids aged out of the system.\nAnyway, long ass story. Please forgive me for this. I’m just thinking about the little girl from this story and hoping that she lands in the lap of a Ms S in a special creaky rocking chair and comes to know comfort from a truly caring person and never has to be returned to an uncaring and abusive ”mother”.\nRIP Ms S for being the only real mom to many kids and for being a very special Grandmom to my kids . Never forgotten and always remembered.",
">\n\nCool story man. She sounds like a fantastic person",
">\n\nI swear i think i live next to this woman... Always screaming and swearing at her kids at the top of her lungs...",
">\n\nCall cps. Lived in a similar situation awhile back. I was afraid to call, wish I would be called earlier looking back at it.",
">\n\nDealt with CPS as a child growing up. They don’t care. My parents would have gone to jail had i been an animal and they were just as abusive. Especially if the child has no other family nearby to take em.",
">\n\nSounds awful for you. Im really sorry. As far as CPS goes I didn’t know what else do to, any ideas in case I find myself in a similar situation?\nNot too long after I called they moved out in the middle of the night and left their dog behind. Wish they would have left the kids wouldve adopted them too. \nHope you’re doing good now internet stranger.",
">\n\nShe obviously can't be trusted with her child, but I hope she gets the help that she clearly needs.",
">\n\nShe obviously hates the child and doesn't know how to take care of it so it should be taken and given to somebody who can take care of it and appreciate it. \nIt really makes me sick that there's people out there that struggle to get pregnant and want so desperately to have babies... And then you have this woman who decides to use her baby like a football. 🙄",
">\n\nYeah I hear kangaroos will throw their babies out to escape",
">\n\nI’m not advocating for violence, but the blunt end of a shingler’s hatchet works wonders as an attitude-correction tool.",
">\n\nThat's very Walmart of her",
">\n\ndead kid walking\nmom will get a slap on the wrist, at some point the courts will agree to a reunification plan, mom gets kid back\nmom and her boyfriend beat kid to death after starving it and abusing it for it's short miserable life",
">\n\nThat is such an extremely disgusting act to do. Baby deserves better than that.",
">\n\nSomeone is about to lose her parental rights.",
">\n\nI really wish I never clicked on this post. Not everyone is fit to be a parent.",
">\n\nThe charges aren’t severe enough. “Endangering the welfare?” A kick from an adult can kill a one year old baby…\nShe needs to go to prison for good.",
">\n\nI expect a lot of stories like this over the next decade as abortion restrictions lead to people who aren't prepared for kids to become parents.",
">\n\nCan we not link everything that and instead focus on the fact this a shitty person instead?",
">\n\nok and abortion reduces the number of shitty people having children. it is all related.",
">\n\nThere is no guarantee shitty people would go about it. They still have to want to do it during a very limited window.",
">\n\nJust pure numbers, more abortions mean at least one less shitty person having kids",
">\n\nJust read the article, I hope the baby is safe, taken out of her custody permanently, and this vile bitch is spayed like a stray dog and thrown into jail for 5-7 years. (I'm aware that won't happen) Fucking worst type of human. Disgusting and reprehensible behavior.",
">\n\nWatch the downfall of Mankind: Go to r/publicfreakout search \"WalMart\"... \"Waffle House\", \"MacDonald's\" and \"Starbucks\" will suffice also.",
">\n\nI can't be the only who thinks it's interesting as a society we have to take have qualifications for certain jobs but to be a parent.. fuck it, you don't need training at all.. seems a little fucked up",
">\n\nThere are evil assholes in this thread saying that people have a god-given right to have, kill, barbecue and eat their own children. They claim it's \"freedom from state over-reach\", but it means they want to kill, barbecue and eat children with zero consequences. Child abuse is common in this world. My own father beat me until I put him in the hospital and then never saw him again. These assholes want to make sure fathers are allowed to beat their children freely, and that any child who defends themself is punished. Fuck those people!\nThe state has a role in protecting children. And anyone against it is an enemy of decency.",
">\n\nPaterson, NJ. No surprise....",
">\n\nThe surprise is it’s not Florida.",
">\n\nAnother baby mama loses her child. Don't worry; she'll make more.",
">\n\nThat is not a mom, this is a piece of trash that let some guy rawdog her.",
">\n\nSpay her and lock her up for ten years. In no way should she ever be in a position to bring more children into the world to abuse. \nWhat hasn't been caught on camera in this woman's home? What emotional damage has already been inflicted prior that might not be able to be fixed?",
">\n\nLike the quokka, shoplifters are known to throw their offspring down to bait predators and increase the chances of escape.",
">\n\nPrison and throw away the key",
">\n\nBruh that’s a rough 23 😬",
">\n\nSo a typical Walmart outing",
">\n\nI think this is the appropriate use of the phrase \"that woman is a cunt\".",
">\n\nLast minute effort to clinch the Mother of the Year Award?",
">\n\nThe Quokka defense rarely works for humans.",
">\n\nSo… another normal day at any American Walmart then?",
">\n\nFrankly the supreme court really messed us all up. But what we have here is someone that is obviously to unstable to be a parent.",
">\n\nWould be really hard to watch this and not punch that cunt in the face repeatedly. Maybe a kick or two as well.",
">\n\nIf she’s willing to do that in public, I can’t even fathom what she would do to that child at home.",
">\n\nThey call this a Soccer mom.",
">\n\nThrow her trashy ass in jail",
">\n\nI read stuff like this and realize some people aren’t worthy of living. Hope the kid turns out alright because she’s not worthy of anything.",
">\n\nThe cycle continues for that family. Always remember you can be the one to change things but it takes patience which I think is something that should be stressed a lot more but isn't. If you don't have patience then you won't be able to deal with a screaming 1-year-old. It's that simple.",
">\n\n\"Kick the baby!\" - Kyle Broflovski",
">\n\nThis is a horrifically damaged person. In no way do I excuse her abuse of this poor little baby, though.",
">\n\nYes, yes, bad mother, poor child and all that. Clearly this lady has some issues and very likely needs professional psychiatric help. Or maybe she's just a narcissistic, entitled asshole. Either way she should've never been saddled with a child.",
">\n\ni wish you weren't being downvoted, because obviously this woman has some issues, and the age of the child indicates that it could be postpartum depression, which is not nothing. or, like you said, she could just be an asshole. \nscreaming and punching a wall because a baby was crying? that is definitely not normal. obviously it's horrible that the baby has been abused, and thankfully it is physically okay from this assault, but the mom obviously needs help.",
">\n\nYeah, people in this thread are clamoring for her to be thrown in jail but that really isnt gonna solve anything (shed probably come out worse).\nShes clearly not all there.",
">\n\nand i'm getting downvoted for saying she needs help, lol what.",
">\n\nYou're being down voted for worrying about the wrong person. The child is the one that needs compassion. The abusers needs are less important.",
">\n\nMost Walmart sentence ever.",
">\n\nI obviously know nothing of this woman and her history but uncharacteristic rage and unfortunately in some cases violent outbursts can be a sign of postpartum depression. Hormones can do crazy things.",
">\n\nYou and her both need to walk into traffic",
">\n\nSeems like a solid way to deal with mental illness? Postpartum depression is a very real thing and can make people act in uncharacteristic ways.",
">\n\nQueue up the Janes Addiction",
">\n\nSay what you mean.",
">\n\nIt’s right there ^",
">\n\nI guess you got too embarrassed or downvoted and deleted it right after that comment eh?",
">\n\nNope. It’s all right there still.",
">\n\nIt says deleted clear as day, but alright. I’ll just look up the edits because I’m curious.",
">\n\nNothing was deleted by me and still shows so 🤷🏻♂️",
">\n\nThis isn’t fucking news Jesus Christ",
">\n\nAm I the only one whose second thought after “how can you do that to your baby” was “why is this article especially the headline putting shoplifting on the same level with doing that to your baby?”\nI’m not one of those people who thinks shoplifting is cool or whatever but…this is some really blatant “arson, murder, and jaywalking” stuff.",
">\n\nHow is the headline putting the crimes on the same level? It's literally just the events that happened, a mom who was shoplifting kicked her baby after being caught. The headline is not trying to equate assaulting a baby with shoplifting.",
">\n\nIt mentioned the shoplifting before kicking the baby (really burying the lede there).",
">\n\nBecause it happened during a confrontation with security guards.",
">\n\nIsn’t shopping at Walmart in itself shoplifting?",
">\n\nI can't imagine that the others in that room would have a very different story. Let's hear your defense of this woman's actions.",
">\n\nBecause at the moment, that's what makes the most sense given the information at hand.\nYou, on the other hand, are going exactly the opposite direction. You're essentially blaming the police without any evidence.\nHow about we all wait for now information before passing any judgement on anyone?",
">\n\nLook back and point to the statement that “blames police” for me.\nOf course it’s the “information at hand”; they have a vested interest in making it available.\nI’m literally saying “you only have one side of the argument” and you (and many others) are downvoting for even suggesting that very thing.",
">\n\n\nWhy give police the benefit of the doubt?\nWhy give the police version the benefit of the doubt?\n\nStating that twice really makes you look like you're saying the police are the problem, here. The police weren't involved at the start. The article says they were called later. Have you reason to doubt that part of the story? Do you think they were there from the start and that they made her kick the baby? Or maybe that a cop did that and they are trying to blame it on her to absolve themselves? In front of the witnesses at the scene? It's a leap that didn't make sense to me. Unless you have more information than is in the article...\nI find the information in the article, as presented, a reasonable place to start. If I see more coming out of this in coming days that showed the police did something wrong, I'll most certainly consider what's reported then.",
">\n\n“Believe police versions” is what you’re saying.\nAt least be honest.",
">\n\nOne of the few articles that made me say “wtf”. Poor child.",
">\n\nSounds like she was under the influence of some drug. 😢",
">\n\nIt will only get worse as more and more unwanted children are born. Thanks supreme court!",
">\n\nSo glad this happened where it could be caught on camera and police were involved so this child can be take away!",
">\n\nI hate to say this, but that baby will probably die if the state does nothing.\nI hope they both get the help they need."
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What the fuck is wrong with America, I feel like read shit like this every single day
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"That website is giving my browser cancer so here's the text for anyone else who can't get it to load properly.\n\nTETERBORO — A mother kicked her baby daughter and sent the child careening across the floor after shoplifting from Walmart, according to police.\nJamira McDaniel, 23, of Paterson, was caught stealing at the supercenter in Teterboro by Walmart theft protection personnel on Tuesday, Moonachie Police Lt. Jeff Napolitano confirmed to New Jersey 101.5.\nMcDaniel was with her 1-year-old girl and the child's aunt.\nAfter she was taken to the store's security office, McDaniel placed the baby girl on the ground and kicked her in the back, Napolitano said. The toddler was sent across the floor and into the security office.\nAccording to Napolitano, the incident was caught on security cameras. He said video of the kick was turned over to Bergen County court but was not yet publicly available.\nThe theft protection workers then picked up the inconsolable child, handed her to McDaniel's sister, and called the police.\n\"McDaniel, upset by the girl who was now screaming and crying while being held by her aunt, began punching walls and yelling for the baby to stop crying,\" Napolitano explained. \"McDaniel also grabbed the baby and began to shake her while she was being held by her aunt.\"\nMoonachie cops soon arrived at the store and called an ambulance to evaluate the baby. Fortunately, first responders found the child was uninjured.\nThe mother is charged with endangering the welfare of a child, assault, shoplifting, and criminal mischief, according to Napolitano.\nMcDaniel was sent to Bergen County jail, which is where she remains as of Wednesday evening. The aunt was not charged and the child was given to family members.\n\nGod help that poor baby.",
">\n\nSome people really need to not have kids",
">\n\nMore people should have abortions. If someone cannot or doesn’t want to raise a child abortion should be the first choice. Bringing children into this world only for them to suffer is awful. So many wind up in the foster system and no one adopts them then they age out. Then you have adults who have no family or resources and continue to suffer. \nAnytime someone says abortion is bad and they should just birth the child and give it up for adoption should be required to take one of those children into their homes. \nCausing unwavering suffering of another living being is immoral.",
">\n\nI absolutely agree but there is also a large subset of people that WANT to have kids but are still completely awful parents.",
">\n\nHence, the reverse abortion! A simple way to solve these issues",
">\n\nWhat's a reverse abortion? Shoving the child back up the coochie and into the uterus?? \nMaybe I'm just super dumb today and drank too much or too little coffee, but I really don't know what a reverse abortion would be. \nAm I going to feel really stupid when you tell me? If so, that's ok, just tell me anyway, I'm used to feeling stupid.",
">\n\nInstead of aborting babies, abort the parents",
">\n\nCan you legally abort a baby after 18 years?",
">\n\nSometimes I ask my mom if she would feel comfortable having a 124th trimester abortion. My brother is not working out.",
">\n\nReading that article, it sounds like being a shoplifter is the best thing about her.",
">\n\nWhen my kids were little I found it almost impossible to read articles like this. They would stick with me for days or weeks. \nI really hope that baby ends up in a loving home because game fucking over for mom.",
">\n\nI have a 1½‐year-old and reading this makes me want to cry.",
">\n\nSame. I just can’t read anything like this, it’s so horrifying. And I just hold my kiddo and cry and then be sad I can’t love all the babies and protect them all. \nKids are just so freaking pure and good and they just want to be loved and safe like that’s it man. How could you do something to something so innocent?",
">\n\nReading your comment, in contrast to OP’s horror inducing title, legit just brought a tear to my eye. Makes me hug my kiddos extra just thinking about it!",
">\n\nIf she kicks and shakes the baby in public, I can’t imagine what she does to that poor child at home. Disgusting woman.",
">\n\nAbortion should be legal so we can make sure this woman never existed.",
">\n\nWe should be able to abort the mother in this instance.",
">\n\nThat’s… that’s what he just inferred",
">\n\nDoesn't hurt to drive the point home",
">\n\nYou see horrible parenting in a walmart any day, but this is is, I think, the worst I've heard of. I hope she doesn't get that poor kid back.",
">\n\nUnfortunately, in this circumstance, it's better for her to do this shit in public and get caught so the baby (and other possible kids) gets taken away. If that's what she does in public, imagine what she does behind closed doors.",
">\n\nHoly fuck, Adblock on Firefox shows 450+ blocked on that website alone???",
">\n\nNow do you see why everyone on reddit is losing their mind over the news that Chrome is preventing ad block.\nIf you haven't switched to Firefox or something else, you might want to start test driving a few browsers because good LORD you have no idea how bad things are without ad block.",
">\n\nPiece of trash. Even reading the article boils my blood.",
">\n\nDefinitely r/iamatotalpieceofshit material",
">\n\nThank god she showed her true abusive colours while on camera and in front of everyone. Now the kid will be protected from her and serious injury/trauma prevented.",
">\n\nI hope this baby finds her way to a loving and caring mother, and I hope this lady gets the mental help she needs.",
">\n\nYea and maybe my mom will quit drinking and my dad will come home.",
">\n\nHope is sometimes all we have",
">\n\nMy best friend’s mom was a foster parent for many years. She was well known by DFACS for taking in their most difficult cases, children of severe abuse, often arriving in the middle of the night with nothing more than the clothes on their backs. She didn’t have a lot of money, bit she somehow made due for all of the kids. She was practical and no nonsense, pragmatic and loving. I learned a lot about how to stretch a dollar to make struggle meals from her. Full bellies and full hearts.\nWhen I was a new mother, she was my lifeline. I knew nothing about babies and she patiently taught me what I needed to know. She talked me through my son’s first bath over the telephone, I was exhausted from lack of sleep because my baby had severe colic. And, Ms S would gather him into her arms and rock him in her special creaky rocking chair. And, he fell into a blissful and untroubled sleep. She was truly a baby whisperer. \nHer heart and soul were devoted to children who were victims of horrific abuse. She took in a toddler who had spent much of his young life living in a cage. He was non verbal and unable to walk. After several years, she brought him up to nearly his age level. He was walking and verbal. The state stepped in and returned him to his newly “reformed” mother.\nHe was returned to Ms S a year later, with severe setbacks. She did everything that she could for this boy. Bit, when the state took him back again, she was done. Eventually, her remaining kids aged out of the system.\nAnyway, long ass story. Please forgive me for this. I’m just thinking about the little girl from this story and hoping that she lands in the lap of a Ms S in a special creaky rocking chair and comes to know comfort from a truly caring person and never has to be returned to an uncaring and abusive ”mother”.\nRIP Ms S for being the only real mom to many kids and for being a very special Grandmom to my kids . Never forgotten and always remembered.",
">\n\nCool story man. She sounds like a fantastic person",
">\n\nI swear i think i live next to this woman... Always screaming and swearing at her kids at the top of her lungs...",
">\n\nCall cps. Lived in a similar situation awhile back. I was afraid to call, wish I would be called earlier looking back at it.",
">\n\nDealt with CPS as a child growing up. They don’t care. My parents would have gone to jail had i been an animal and they were just as abusive. Especially if the child has no other family nearby to take em.",
">\n\nSounds awful for you. Im really sorry. As far as CPS goes I didn’t know what else do to, any ideas in case I find myself in a similar situation?\nNot too long after I called they moved out in the middle of the night and left their dog behind. Wish they would have left the kids wouldve adopted them too. \nHope you’re doing good now internet stranger.",
">\n\nShe obviously can't be trusted with her child, but I hope she gets the help that she clearly needs.",
">\n\nShe obviously hates the child and doesn't know how to take care of it so it should be taken and given to somebody who can take care of it and appreciate it. \nIt really makes me sick that there's people out there that struggle to get pregnant and want so desperately to have babies... And then you have this woman who decides to use her baby like a football. 🙄",
">\n\nYeah I hear kangaroos will throw their babies out to escape",
">\n\nI’m not advocating for violence, but the blunt end of a shingler’s hatchet works wonders as an attitude-correction tool.",
">\n\nThat's very Walmart of her",
">\n\ndead kid walking\nmom will get a slap on the wrist, at some point the courts will agree to a reunification plan, mom gets kid back\nmom and her boyfriend beat kid to death after starving it and abusing it for it's short miserable life",
">\n\nThat is such an extremely disgusting act to do. Baby deserves better than that.",
">\n\nSomeone is about to lose her parental rights.",
">\n\nI really wish I never clicked on this post. Not everyone is fit to be a parent.",
">\n\nThe charges aren’t severe enough. “Endangering the welfare?” A kick from an adult can kill a one year old baby…\nShe needs to go to prison for good.",
">\n\nI expect a lot of stories like this over the next decade as abortion restrictions lead to people who aren't prepared for kids to become parents.",
">\n\nCan we not link everything that and instead focus on the fact this a shitty person instead?",
">\n\nok and abortion reduces the number of shitty people having children. it is all related.",
">\n\nThere is no guarantee shitty people would go about it. They still have to want to do it during a very limited window.",
">\n\nJust pure numbers, more abortions mean at least one less shitty person having kids",
">\n\nJust read the article, I hope the baby is safe, taken out of her custody permanently, and this vile bitch is spayed like a stray dog and thrown into jail for 5-7 years. (I'm aware that won't happen) Fucking worst type of human. Disgusting and reprehensible behavior.",
">\n\nWatch the downfall of Mankind: Go to r/publicfreakout search \"WalMart\"... \"Waffle House\", \"MacDonald's\" and \"Starbucks\" will suffice also.",
">\n\nI can't be the only who thinks it's interesting as a society we have to take have qualifications for certain jobs but to be a parent.. fuck it, you don't need training at all.. seems a little fucked up",
">\n\nThere are evil assholes in this thread saying that people have a god-given right to have, kill, barbecue and eat their own children. They claim it's \"freedom from state over-reach\", but it means they want to kill, barbecue and eat children with zero consequences. Child abuse is common in this world. My own father beat me until I put him in the hospital and then never saw him again. These assholes want to make sure fathers are allowed to beat their children freely, and that any child who defends themself is punished. Fuck those people!\nThe state has a role in protecting children. And anyone against it is an enemy of decency.",
">\n\nPaterson, NJ. No surprise....",
">\n\nThe surprise is it’s not Florida.",
">\n\nAnother baby mama loses her child. Don't worry; she'll make more.",
">\n\nThat is not a mom, this is a piece of trash that let some guy rawdog her.",
">\n\nSpay her and lock her up for ten years. In no way should she ever be in a position to bring more children into the world to abuse. \nWhat hasn't been caught on camera in this woman's home? What emotional damage has already been inflicted prior that might not be able to be fixed?",
">\n\nLike the quokka, shoplifters are known to throw their offspring down to bait predators and increase the chances of escape.",
">\n\nPrison and throw away the key",
">\n\nBruh that’s a rough 23 😬",
">\n\nSo a typical Walmart outing",
">\n\nI think this is the appropriate use of the phrase \"that woman is a cunt\".",
">\n\nLast minute effort to clinch the Mother of the Year Award?",
">\n\nThe Quokka defense rarely works for humans.",
">\n\nSo… another normal day at any American Walmart then?",
">\n\nFrankly the supreme court really messed us all up. But what we have here is someone that is obviously to unstable to be a parent.",
">\n\nWould be really hard to watch this and not punch that cunt in the face repeatedly. Maybe a kick or two as well.",
">\n\nIf she’s willing to do that in public, I can’t even fathom what she would do to that child at home.",
">\n\nThey call this a Soccer mom.",
">\n\nThrow her trashy ass in jail",
">\n\nI read stuff like this and realize some people aren’t worthy of living. Hope the kid turns out alright because she’s not worthy of anything.",
">\n\nThe cycle continues for that family. Always remember you can be the one to change things but it takes patience which I think is something that should be stressed a lot more but isn't. If you don't have patience then you won't be able to deal with a screaming 1-year-old. It's that simple.",
">\n\n\"Kick the baby!\" - Kyle Broflovski",
">\n\nThis is a horrifically damaged person. In no way do I excuse her abuse of this poor little baby, though.",
">\n\nYes, yes, bad mother, poor child and all that. Clearly this lady has some issues and very likely needs professional psychiatric help. Or maybe she's just a narcissistic, entitled asshole. Either way she should've never been saddled with a child.",
">\n\ni wish you weren't being downvoted, because obviously this woman has some issues, and the age of the child indicates that it could be postpartum depression, which is not nothing. or, like you said, she could just be an asshole. \nscreaming and punching a wall because a baby was crying? that is definitely not normal. obviously it's horrible that the baby has been abused, and thankfully it is physically okay from this assault, but the mom obviously needs help.",
">\n\nYeah, people in this thread are clamoring for her to be thrown in jail but that really isnt gonna solve anything (shed probably come out worse).\nShes clearly not all there.",
">\n\nand i'm getting downvoted for saying she needs help, lol what.",
">\n\nYou're being down voted for worrying about the wrong person. The child is the one that needs compassion. The abusers needs are less important.",
">\n\nMost Walmart sentence ever.",
">\n\nI obviously know nothing of this woman and her history but uncharacteristic rage and unfortunately in some cases violent outbursts can be a sign of postpartum depression. Hormones can do crazy things.",
">\n\nYou and her both need to walk into traffic",
">\n\nSeems like a solid way to deal with mental illness? Postpartum depression is a very real thing and can make people act in uncharacteristic ways.",
">\n\nQueue up the Janes Addiction",
">\n\nSay what you mean.",
">\n\nIt’s right there ^",
">\n\nI guess you got too embarrassed or downvoted and deleted it right after that comment eh?",
">\n\nNope. It’s all right there still.",
">\n\nIt says deleted clear as day, but alright. I’ll just look up the edits because I’m curious.",
">\n\nNothing was deleted by me and still shows so 🤷🏻♂️",
">\n\nThis isn’t fucking news Jesus Christ",
">\n\nAm I the only one whose second thought after “how can you do that to your baby” was “why is this article especially the headline putting shoplifting on the same level with doing that to your baby?”\nI’m not one of those people who thinks shoplifting is cool or whatever but…this is some really blatant “arson, murder, and jaywalking” stuff.",
">\n\nHow is the headline putting the crimes on the same level? It's literally just the events that happened, a mom who was shoplifting kicked her baby after being caught. The headline is not trying to equate assaulting a baby with shoplifting.",
">\n\nIt mentioned the shoplifting before kicking the baby (really burying the lede there).",
">\n\nBecause it happened during a confrontation with security guards.",
">\n\nIsn’t shopping at Walmart in itself shoplifting?",
">\n\nI can't imagine that the others in that room would have a very different story. Let's hear your defense of this woman's actions.",
">\n\nBecause at the moment, that's what makes the most sense given the information at hand.\nYou, on the other hand, are going exactly the opposite direction. You're essentially blaming the police without any evidence.\nHow about we all wait for now information before passing any judgement on anyone?",
">\n\nLook back and point to the statement that “blames police” for me.\nOf course it’s the “information at hand”; they have a vested interest in making it available.\nI’m literally saying “you only have one side of the argument” and you (and many others) are downvoting for even suggesting that very thing.",
">\n\n\nWhy give police the benefit of the doubt?\nWhy give the police version the benefit of the doubt?\n\nStating that twice really makes you look like you're saying the police are the problem, here. The police weren't involved at the start. The article says they were called later. Have you reason to doubt that part of the story? Do you think they were there from the start and that they made her kick the baby? Or maybe that a cop did that and they are trying to blame it on her to absolve themselves? In front of the witnesses at the scene? It's a leap that didn't make sense to me. Unless you have more information than is in the article...\nI find the information in the article, as presented, a reasonable place to start. If I see more coming out of this in coming days that showed the police did something wrong, I'll most certainly consider what's reported then.",
">\n\n“Believe police versions” is what you’re saying.\nAt least be honest.",
">\n\nOne of the few articles that made me say “wtf”. Poor child.",
">\n\nSounds like she was under the influence of some drug. 😢",
">\n\nIt will only get worse as more and more unwanted children are born. Thanks supreme court!",
">\n\nSo glad this happened where it could be caught on camera and police were involved so this child can be take away!",
">\n\nI hate to say this, but that baby will probably die if the state does nothing.\nI hope they both get the help they need.",
">\n\nThere are many people in this thread committed to making sure the state is never allowed to stop child abuse. They support parental rights to kill, barbecue and eat their offspring in broad day light and nobody should even be allowed to mention that it's unsightly to eat dismembered children in the park. Those who mention that child abuse is bad will just be told that millions of dead children on yearly basis is worth it as long as it stops the state from overreaching itself once a century."
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It’s because an awful lot of people are indeed, absolute trash. Wife working in retail has been an eye opener on just how many arrogant psychopathic mouth breathing, lazy, careless and vindictive people there are out there.
Yesterday a grown woman urinated on the floor of her store as part of throwing a tantrum because something was out of stock.
So many people just waste space in this world.
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"That website is giving my browser cancer so here's the text for anyone else who can't get it to load properly.\n\nTETERBORO — A mother kicked her baby daughter and sent the child careening across the floor after shoplifting from Walmart, according to police.\nJamira McDaniel, 23, of Paterson, was caught stealing at the supercenter in Teterboro by Walmart theft protection personnel on Tuesday, Moonachie Police Lt. Jeff Napolitano confirmed to New Jersey 101.5.\nMcDaniel was with her 1-year-old girl and the child's aunt.\nAfter she was taken to the store's security office, McDaniel placed the baby girl on the ground and kicked her in the back, Napolitano said. The toddler was sent across the floor and into the security office.\nAccording to Napolitano, the incident was caught on security cameras. He said video of the kick was turned over to Bergen County court but was not yet publicly available.\nThe theft protection workers then picked up the inconsolable child, handed her to McDaniel's sister, and called the police.\n\"McDaniel, upset by the girl who was now screaming and crying while being held by her aunt, began punching walls and yelling for the baby to stop crying,\" Napolitano explained. \"McDaniel also grabbed the baby and began to shake her while she was being held by her aunt.\"\nMoonachie cops soon arrived at the store and called an ambulance to evaluate the baby. Fortunately, first responders found the child was uninjured.\nThe mother is charged with endangering the welfare of a child, assault, shoplifting, and criminal mischief, according to Napolitano.\nMcDaniel was sent to Bergen County jail, which is where she remains as of Wednesday evening. The aunt was not charged and the child was given to family members.\n\nGod help that poor baby.",
">\n\nSome people really need to not have kids",
">\n\nMore people should have abortions. If someone cannot or doesn’t want to raise a child abortion should be the first choice. Bringing children into this world only for them to suffer is awful. So many wind up in the foster system and no one adopts them then they age out. Then you have adults who have no family or resources and continue to suffer. \nAnytime someone says abortion is bad and they should just birth the child and give it up for adoption should be required to take one of those children into their homes. \nCausing unwavering suffering of another living being is immoral.",
">\n\nI absolutely agree but there is also a large subset of people that WANT to have kids but are still completely awful parents.",
">\n\nHence, the reverse abortion! A simple way to solve these issues",
">\n\nWhat's a reverse abortion? Shoving the child back up the coochie and into the uterus?? \nMaybe I'm just super dumb today and drank too much or too little coffee, but I really don't know what a reverse abortion would be. \nAm I going to feel really stupid when you tell me? If so, that's ok, just tell me anyway, I'm used to feeling stupid.",
">\n\nInstead of aborting babies, abort the parents",
">\n\nCan you legally abort a baby after 18 years?",
">\n\nSometimes I ask my mom if she would feel comfortable having a 124th trimester abortion. My brother is not working out.",
">\n\nReading that article, it sounds like being a shoplifter is the best thing about her.",
">\n\nWhen my kids were little I found it almost impossible to read articles like this. They would stick with me for days or weeks. \nI really hope that baby ends up in a loving home because game fucking over for mom.",
">\n\nI have a 1½‐year-old and reading this makes me want to cry.",
">\n\nSame. I just can’t read anything like this, it’s so horrifying. And I just hold my kiddo and cry and then be sad I can’t love all the babies and protect them all. \nKids are just so freaking pure and good and they just want to be loved and safe like that’s it man. How could you do something to something so innocent?",
">\n\nReading your comment, in contrast to OP’s horror inducing title, legit just brought a tear to my eye. Makes me hug my kiddos extra just thinking about it!",
">\n\nIf she kicks and shakes the baby in public, I can’t imagine what she does to that poor child at home. Disgusting woman.",
">\n\nAbortion should be legal so we can make sure this woman never existed.",
">\n\nWe should be able to abort the mother in this instance.",
">\n\nThat’s… that’s what he just inferred",
">\n\nDoesn't hurt to drive the point home",
">\n\nYou see horrible parenting in a walmart any day, but this is is, I think, the worst I've heard of. I hope she doesn't get that poor kid back.",
">\n\nUnfortunately, in this circumstance, it's better for her to do this shit in public and get caught so the baby (and other possible kids) gets taken away. If that's what she does in public, imagine what she does behind closed doors.",
">\n\nHoly fuck, Adblock on Firefox shows 450+ blocked on that website alone???",
">\n\nNow do you see why everyone on reddit is losing their mind over the news that Chrome is preventing ad block.\nIf you haven't switched to Firefox or something else, you might want to start test driving a few browsers because good LORD you have no idea how bad things are without ad block.",
">\n\nPiece of trash. Even reading the article boils my blood.",
">\n\nDefinitely r/iamatotalpieceofshit material",
">\n\nThank god she showed her true abusive colours while on camera and in front of everyone. Now the kid will be protected from her and serious injury/trauma prevented.",
">\n\nI hope this baby finds her way to a loving and caring mother, and I hope this lady gets the mental help she needs.",
">\n\nYea and maybe my mom will quit drinking and my dad will come home.",
">\n\nHope is sometimes all we have",
">\n\nMy best friend’s mom was a foster parent for many years. She was well known by DFACS for taking in their most difficult cases, children of severe abuse, often arriving in the middle of the night with nothing more than the clothes on their backs. She didn’t have a lot of money, bit she somehow made due for all of the kids. She was practical and no nonsense, pragmatic and loving. I learned a lot about how to stretch a dollar to make struggle meals from her. Full bellies and full hearts.\nWhen I was a new mother, she was my lifeline. I knew nothing about babies and she patiently taught me what I needed to know. She talked me through my son’s first bath over the telephone, I was exhausted from lack of sleep because my baby had severe colic. And, Ms S would gather him into her arms and rock him in her special creaky rocking chair. And, he fell into a blissful and untroubled sleep. She was truly a baby whisperer. \nHer heart and soul were devoted to children who were victims of horrific abuse. She took in a toddler who had spent much of his young life living in a cage. He was non verbal and unable to walk. After several years, she brought him up to nearly his age level. He was walking and verbal. The state stepped in and returned him to his newly “reformed” mother.\nHe was returned to Ms S a year later, with severe setbacks. She did everything that she could for this boy. Bit, when the state took him back again, she was done. Eventually, her remaining kids aged out of the system.\nAnyway, long ass story. Please forgive me for this. I’m just thinking about the little girl from this story and hoping that she lands in the lap of a Ms S in a special creaky rocking chair and comes to know comfort from a truly caring person and never has to be returned to an uncaring and abusive ”mother”.\nRIP Ms S for being the only real mom to many kids and for being a very special Grandmom to my kids . Never forgotten and always remembered.",
">\n\nCool story man. She sounds like a fantastic person",
">\n\nI swear i think i live next to this woman... Always screaming and swearing at her kids at the top of her lungs...",
">\n\nCall cps. Lived in a similar situation awhile back. I was afraid to call, wish I would be called earlier looking back at it.",
">\n\nDealt with CPS as a child growing up. They don’t care. My parents would have gone to jail had i been an animal and they were just as abusive. Especially if the child has no other family nearby to take em.",
">\n\nSounds awful for you. Im really sorry. As far as CPS goes I didn’t know what else do to, any ideas in case I find myself in a similar situation?\nNot too long after I called they moved out in the middle of the night and left their dog behind. Wish they would have left the kids wouldve adopted them too. \nHope you’re doing good now internet stranger.",
">\n\nShe obviously can't be trusted with her child, but I hope she gets the help that she clearly needs.",
">\n\nShe obviously hates the child and doesn't know how to take care of it so it should be taken and given to somebody who can take care of it and appreciate it. \nIt really makes me sick that there's people out there that struggle to get pregnant and want so desperately to have babies... And then you have this woman who decides to use her baby like a football. 🙄",
">\n\nYeah I hear kangaroos will throw their babies out to escape",
">\n\nI’m not advocating for violence, but the blunt end of a shingler’s hatchet works wonders as an attitude-correction tool.",
">\n\nThat's very Walmart of her",
">\n\ndead kid walking\nmom will get a slap on the wrist, at some point the courts will agree to a reunification plan, mom gets kid back\nmom and her boyfriend beat kid to death after starving it and abusing it for it's short miserable life",
">\n\nThat is such an extremely disgusting act to do. Baby deserves better than that.",
">\n\nSomeone is about to lose her parental rights.",
">\n\nI really wish I never clicked on this post. Not everyone is fit to be a parent.",
">\n\nThe charges aren’t severe enough. “Endangering the welfare?” A kick from an adult can kill a one year old baby…\nShe needs to go to prison for good.",
">\n\nI expect a lot of stories like this over the next decade as abortion restrictions lead to people who aren't prepared for kids to become parents.",
">\n\nCan we not link everything that and instead focus on the fact this a shitty person instead?",
">\n\nok and abortion reduces the number of shitty people having children. it is all related.",
">\n\nThere is no guarantee shitty people would go about it. They still have to want to do it during a very limited window.",
">\n\nJust pure numbers, more abortions mean at least one less shitty person having kids",
">\n\nJust read the article, I hope the baby is safe, taken out of her custody permanently, and this vile bitch is spayed like a stray dog and thrown into jail for 5-7 years. (I'm aware that won't happen) Fucking worst type of human. Disgusting and reprehensible behavior.",
">\n\nWatch the downfall of Mankind: Go to r/publicfreakout search \"WalMart\"... \"Waffle House\", \"MacDonald's\" and \"Starbucks\" will suffice also.",
">\n\nI can't be the only who thinks it's interesting as a society we have to take have qualifications for certain jobs but to be a parent.. fuck it, you don't need training at all.. seems a little fucked up",
">\n\nThere are evil assholes in this thread saying that people have a god-given right to have, kill, barbecue and eat their own children. They claim it's \"freedom from state over-reach\", but it means they want to kill, barbecue and eat children with zero consequences. Child abuse is common in this world. My own father beat me until I put him in the hospital and then never saw him again. These assholes want to make sure fathers are allowed to beat their children freely, and that any child who defends themself is punished. Fuck those people!\nThe state has a role in protecting children. And anyone against it is an enemy of decency.",
">\n\nPaterson, NJ. No surprise....",
">\n\nThe surprise is it’s not Florida.",
">\n\nAnother baby mama loses her child. Don't worry; she'll make more.",
">\n\nThat is not a mom, this is a piece of trash that let some guy rawdog her.",
">\n\nSpay her and lock her up for ten years. In no way should she ever be in a position to bring more children into the world to abuse. \nWhat hasn't been caught on camera in this woman's home? What emotional damage has already been inflicted prior that might not be able to be fixed?",
">\n\nLike the quokka, shoplifters are known to throw their offspring down to bait predators and increase the chances of escape.",
">\n\nPrison and throw away the key",
">\n\nBruh that’s a rough 23 😬",
">\n\nSo a typical Walmart outing",
">\n\nI think this is the appropriate use of the phrase \"that woman is a cunt\".",
">\n\nLast minute effort to clinch the Mother of the Year Award?",
">\n\nThe Quokka defense rarely works for humans.",
">\n\nSo… another normal day at any American Walmart then?",
">\n\nFrankly the supreme court really messed us all up. But what we have here is someone that is obviously to unstable to be a parent.",
">\n\nWould be really hard to watch this and not punch that cunt in the face repeatedly. Maybe a kick or two as well.",
">\n\nIf she’s willing to do that in public, I can’t even fathom what she would do to that child at home.",
">\n\nThey call this a Soccer mom.",
">\n\nThrow her trashy ass in jail",
">\n\nI read stuff like this and realize some people aren’t worthy of living. Hope the kid turns out alright because she’s not worthy of anything.",
">\n\nThe cycle continues for that family. Always remember you can be the one to change things but it takes patience which I think is something that should be stressed a lot more but isn't. If you don't have patience then you won't be able to deal with a screaming 1-year-old. It's that simple.",
">\n\n\"Kick the baby!\" - Kyle Broflovski",
">\n\nThis is a horrifically damaged person. In no way do I excuse her abuse of this poor little baby, though.",
">\n\nYes, yes, bad mother, poor child and all that. Clearly this lady has some issues and very likely needs professional psychiatric help. Or maybe she's just a narcissistic, entitled asshole. Either way she should've never been saddled with a child.",
">\n\ni wish you weren't being downvoted, because obviously this woman has some issues, and the age of the child indicates that it could be postpartum depression, which is not nothing. or, like you said, she could just be an asshole. \nscreaming and punching a wall because a baby was crying? that is definitely not normal. obviously it's horrible that the baby has been abused, and thankfully it is physically okay from this assault, but the mom obviously needs help.",
">\n\nYeah, people in this thread are clamoring for her to be thrown in jail but that really isnt gonna solve anything (shed probably come out worse).\nShes clearly not all there.",
">\n\nand i'm getting downvoted for saying she needs help, lol what.",
">\n\nYou're being down voted for worrying about the wrong person. The child is the one that needs compassion. The abusers needs are less important.",
">\n\nMost Walmart sentence ever.",
">\n\nI obviously know nothing of this woman and her history but uncharacteristic rage and unfortunately in some cases violent outbursts can be a sign of postpartum depression. Hormones can do crazy things.",
">\n\nYou and her both need to walk into traffic",
">\n\nSeems like a solid way to deal with mental illness? Postpartum depression is a very real thing and can make people act in uncharacteristic ways.",
">\n\nQueue up the Janes Addiction",
">\n\nSay what you mean.",
">\n\nIt’s right there ^",
">\n\nI guess you got too embarrassed or downvoted and deleted it right after that comment eh?",
">\n\nNope. It’s all right there still.",
">\n\nIt says deleted clear as day, but alright. I’ll just look up the edits because I’m curious.",
">\n\nNothing was deleted by me and still shows so 🤷🏻♂️",
">\n\nThis isn’t fucking news Jesus Christ",
">\n\nAm I the only one whose second thought after “how can you do that to your baby” was “why is this article especially the headline putting shoplifting on the same level with doing that to your baby?”\nI’m not one of those people who thinks shoplifting is cool or whatever but…this is some really blatant “arson, murder, and jaywalking” stuff.",
">\n\nHow is the headline putting the crimes on the same level? It's literally just the events that happened, a mom who was shoplifting kicked her baby after being caught. The headline is not trying to equate assaulting a baby with shoplifting.",
">\n\nIt mentioned the shoplifting before kicking the baby (really burying the lede there).",
">\n\nBecause it happened during a confrontation with security guards.",
">\n\nIsn’t shopping at Walmart in itself shoplifting?",
">\n\nI can't imagine that the others in that room would have a very different story. Let's hear your defense of this woman's actions.",
">\n\nBecause at the moment, that's what makes the most sense given the information at hand.\nYou, on the other hand, are going exactly the opposite direction. You're essentially blaming the police without any evidence.\nHow about we all wait for now information before passing any judgement on anyone?",
">\n\nLook back and point to the statement that “blames police” for me.\nOf course it’s the “information at hand”; they have a vested interest in making it available.\nI’m literally saying “you only have one side of the argument” and you (and many others) are downvoting for even suggesting that very thing.",
">\n\n\nWhy give police the benefit of the doubt?\nWhy give the police version the benefit of the doubt?\n\nStating that twice really makes you look like you're saying the police are the problem, here. The police weren't involved at the start. The article says they were called later. Have you reason to doubt that part of the story? Do you think they were there from the start and that they made her kick the baby? Or maybe that a cop did that and they are trying to blame it on her to absolve themselves? In front of the witnesses at the scene? It's a leap that didn't make sense to me. Unless you have more information than is in the article...\nI find the information in the article, as presented, a reasonable place to start. If I see more coming out of this in coming days that showed the police did something wrong, I'll most certainly consider what's reported then.",
">\n\n“Believe police versions” is what you’re saying.\nAt least be honest.",
">\n\nOne of the few articles that made me say “wtf”. Poor child.",
">\n\nSounds like she was under the influence of some drug. 😢",
">\n\nIt will only get worse as more and more unwanted children are born. Thanks supreme court!",
">\n\nSo glad this happened where it could be caught on camera and police were involved so this child can be take away!",
">\n\nI hate to say this, but that baby will probably die if the state does nothing.\nI hope they both get the help they need.",
">\n\nThere are many people in this thread committed to making sure the state is never allowed to stop child abuse. They support parental rights to kill, barbecue and eat their offspring in broad day light and nobody should even be allowed to mention that it's unsightly to eat dismembered children in the park. Those who mention that child abuse is bad will just be told that millions of dead children on yearly basis is worth it as long as it stops the state from overreaching itself once a century.",
">\n\nWhat the fuck is wrong with America, I feel like read shit like this every single day"
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The fuck man thats just unbelievable, I work in customer service as well and sympathize with you and your wife.
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"That website is giving my browser cancer so here's the text for anyone else who can't get it to load properly.\n\nTETERBORO — A mother kicked her baby daughter and sent the child careening across the floor after shoplifting from Walmart, according to police.\nJamira McDaniel, 23, of Paterson, was caught stealing at the supercenter in Teterboro by Walmart theft protection personnel on Tuesday, Moonachie Police Lt. Jeff Napolitano confirmed to New Jersey 101.5.\nMcDaniel was with her 1-year-old girl and the child's aunt.\nAfter she was taken to the store's security office, McDaniel placed the baby girl on the ground and kicked her in the back, Napolitano said. The toddler was sent across the floor and into the security office.\nAccording to Napolitano, the incident was caught on security cameras. He said video of the kick was turned over to Bergen County court but was not yet publicly available.\nThe theft protection workers then picked up the inconsolable child, handed her to McDaniel's sister, and called the police.\n\"McDaniel, upset by the girl who was now screaming and crying while being held by her aunt, began punching walls and yelling for the baby to stop crying,\" Napolitano explained. \"McDaniel also grabbed the baby and began to shake her while she was being held by her aunt.\"\nMoonachie cops soon arrived at the store and called an ambulance to evaluate the baby. Fortunately, first responders found the child was uninjured.\nThe mother is charged with endangering the welfare of a child, assault, shoplifting, and criminal mischief, according to Napolitano.\nMcDaniel was sent to Bergen County jail, which is where she remains as of Wednesday evening. The aunt was not charged and the child was given to family members.\n\nGod help that poor baby.",
">\n\nSome people really need to not have kids",
">\n\nMore people should have abortions. If someone cannot or doesn’t want to raise a child abortion should be the first choice. Bringing children into this world only for them to suffer is awful. So many wind up in the foster system and no one adopts them then they age out. Then you have adults who have no family or resources and continue to suffer. \nAnytime someone says abortion is bad and they should just birth the child and give it up for adoption should be required to take one of those children into their homes. \nCausing unwavering suffering of another living being is immoral.",
">\n\nI absolutely agree but there is also a large subset of people that WANT to have kids but are still completely awful parents.",
">\n\nHence, the reverse abortion! A simple way to solve these issues",
">\n\nWhat's a reverse abortion? Shoving the child back up the coochie and into the uterus?? \nMaybe I'm just super dumb today and drank too much or too little coffee, but I really don't know what a reverse abortion would be. \nAm I going to feel really stupid when you tell me? If so, that's ok, just tell me anyway, I'm used to feeling stupid.",
">\n\nInstead of aborting babies, abort the parents",
">\n\nCan you legally abort a baby after 18 years?",
">\n\nSometimes I ask my mom if she would feel comfortable having a 124th trimester abortion. My brother is not working out.",
">\n\nReading that article, it sounds like being a shoplifter is the best thing about her.",
">\n\nWhen my kids were little I found it almost impossible to read articles like this. They would stick with me for days or weeks. \nI really hope that baby ends up in a loving home because game fucking over for mom.",
">\n\nI have a 1½‐year-old and reading this makes me want to cry.",
">\n\nSame. I just can’t read anything like this, it’s so horrifying. And I just hold my kiddo and cry and then be sad I can’t love all the babies and protect them all. \nKids are just so freaking pure and good and they just want to be loved and safe like that’s it man. How could you do something to something so innocent?",
">\n\nReading your comment, in contrast to OP’s horror inducing title, legit just brought a tear to my eye. Makes me hug my kiddos extra just thinking about it!",
">\n\nIf she kicks and shakes the baby in public, I can’t imagine what she does to that poor child at home. Disgusting woman.",
">\n\nAbortion should be legal so we can make sure this woman never existed.",
">\n\nWe should be able to abort the mother in this instance.",
">\n\nThat’s… that’s what he just inferred",
">\n\nDoesn't hurt to drive the point home",
">\n\nYou see horrible parenting in a walmart any day, but this is is, I think, the worst I've heard of. I hope she doesn't get that poor kid back.",
">\n\nUnfortunately, in this circumstance, it's better for her to do this shit in public and get caught so the baby (and other possible kids) gets taken away. If that's what she does in public, imagine what she does behind closed doors.",
">\n\nHoly fuck, Adblock on Firefox shows 450+ blocked on that website alone???",
">\n\nNow do you see why everyone on reddit is losing their mind over the news that Chrome is preventing ad block.\nIf you haven't switched to Firefox or something else, you might want to start test driving a few browsers because good LORD you have no idea how bad things are without ad block.",
">\n\nPiece of trash. Even reading the article boils my blood.",
">\n\nDefinitely r/iamatotalpieceofshit material",
">\n\nThank god she showed her true abusive colours while on camera and in front of everyone. Now the kid will be protected from her and serious injury/trauma prevented.",
">\n\nI hope this baby finds her way to a loving and caring mother, and I hope this lady gets the mental help she needs.",
">\n\nYea and maybe my mom will quit drinking and my dad will come home.",
">\n\nHope is sometimes all we have",
">\n\nMy best friend’s mom was a foster parent for many years. She was well known by DFACS for taking in their most difficult cases, children of severe abuse, often arriving in the middle of the night with nothing more than the clothes on their backs. She didn’t have a lot of money, bit she somehow made due for all of the kids. She was practical and no nonsense, pragmatic and loving. I learned a lot about how to stretch a dollar to make struggle meals from her. Full bellies and full hearts.\nWhen I was a new mother, she was my lifeline. I knew nothing about babies and she patiently taught me what I needed to know. She talked me through my son’s first bath over the telephone, I was exhausted from lack of sleep because my baby had severe colic. And, Ms S would gather him into her arms and rock him in her special creaky rocking chair. And, he fell into a blissful and untroubled sleep. She was truly a baby whisperer. \nHer heart and soul were devoted to children who were victims of horrific abuse. She took in a toddler who had spent much of his young life living in a cage. He was non verbal and unable to walk. After several years, she brought him up to nearly his age level. He was walking and verbal. The state stepped in and returned him to his newly “reformed” mother.\nHe was returned to Ms S a year later, with severe setbacks. She did everything that she could for this boy. Bit, when the state took him back again, she was done. Eventually, her remaining kids aged out of the system.\nAnyway, long ass story. Please forgive me for this. I’m just thinking about the little girl from this story and hoping that she lands in the lap of a Ms S in a special creaky rocking chair and comes to know comfort from a truly caring person and never has to be returned to an uncaring and abusive ”mother”.\nRIP Ms S for being the only real mom to many kids and for being a very special Grandmom to my kids . Never forgotten and always remembered.",
">\n\nCool story man. She sounds like a fantastic person",
">\n\nI swear i think i live next to this woman... Always screaming and swearing at her kids at the top of her lungs...",
">\n\nCall cps. Lived in a similar situation awhile back. I was afraid to call, wish I would be called earlier looking back at it.",
">\n\nDealt with CPS as a child growing up. They don’t care. My parents would have gone to jail had i been an animal and they were just as abusive. Especially if the child has no other family nearby to take em.",
">\n\nSounds awful for you. Im really sorry. As far as CPS goes I didn’t know what else do to, any ideas in case I find myself in a similar situation?\nNot too long after I called they moved out in the middle of the night and left their dog behind. Wish they would have left the kids wouldve adopted them too. \nHope you’re doing good now internet stranger.",
">\n\nShe obviously can't be trusted with her child, but I hope she gets the help that she clearly needs.",
">\n\nShe obviously hates the child and doesn't know how to take care of it so it should be taken and given to somebody who can take care of it and appreciate it. \nIt really makes me sick that there's people out there that struggle to get pregnant and want so desperately to have babies... And then you have this woman who decides to use her baby like a football. 🙄",
">\n\nYeah I hear kangaroos will throw their babies out to escape",
">\n\nI’m not advocating for violence, but the blunt end of a shingler’s hatchet works wonders as an attitude-correction tool.",
">\n\nThat's very Walmart of her",
">\n\ndead kid walking\nmom will get a slap on the wrist, at some point the courts will agree to a reunification plan, mom gets kid back\nmom and her boyfriend beat kid to death after starving it and abusing it for it's short miserable life",
">\n\nThat is such an extremely disgusting act to do. Baby deserves better than that.",
">\n\nSomeone is about to lose her parental rights.",
">\n\nI really wish I never clicked on this post. Not everyone is fit to be a parent.",
">\n\nThe charges aren’t severe enough. “Endangering the welfare?” A kick from an adult can kill a one year old baby…\nShe needs to go to prison for good.",
">\n\nI expect a lot of stories like this over the next decade as abortion restrictions lead to people who aren't prepared for kids to become parents.",
">\n\nCan we not link everything that and instead focus on the fact this a shitty person instead?",
">\n\nok and abortion reduces the number of shitty people having children. it is all related.",
">\n\nThere is no guarantee shitty people would go about it. They still have to want to do it during a very limited window.",
">\n\nJust pure numbers, more abortions mean at least one less shitty person having kids",
">\n\nJust read the article, I hope the baby is safe, taken out of her custody permanently, and this vile bitch is spayed like a stray dog and thrown into jail for 5-7 years. (I'm aware that won't happen) Fucking worst type of human. Disgusting and reprehensible behavior.",
">\n\nWatch the downfall of Mankind: Go to r/publicfreakout search \"WalMart\"... \"Waffle House\", \"MacDonald's\" and \"Starbucks\" will suffice also.",
">\n\nI can't be the only who thinks it's interesting as a society we have to take have qualifications for certain jobs but to be a parent.. fuck it, you don't need training at all.. seems a little fucked up",
">\n\nThere are evil assholes in this thread saying that people have a god-given right to have, kill, barbecue and eat their own children. They claim it's \"freedom from state over-reach\", but it means they want to kill, barbecue and eat children with zero consequences. Child abuse is common in this world. My own father beat me until I put him in the hospital and then never saw him again. These assholes want to make sure fathers are allowed to beat their children freely, and that any child who defends themself is punished. Fuck those people!\nThe state has a role in protecting children. And anyone against it is an enemy of decency.",
">\n\nPaterson, NJ. No surprise....",
">\n\nThe surprise is it’s not Florida.",
">\n\nAnother baby mama loses her child. Don't worry; she'll make more.",
">\n\nThat is not a mom, this is a piece of trash that let some guy rawdog her.",
">\n\nSpay her and lock her up for ten years. In no way should she ever be in a position to bring more children into the world to abuse. \nWhat hasn't been caught on camera in this woman's home? What emotional damage has already been inflicted prior that might not be able to be fixed?",
">\n\nLike the quokka, shoplifters are known to throw their offspring down to bait predators and increase the chances of escape.",
">\n\nPrison and throw away the key",
">\n\nBruh that’s a rough 23 😬",
">\n\nSo a typical Walmart outing",
">\n\nI think this is the appropriate use of the phrase \"that woman is a cunt\".",
">\n\nLast minute effort to clinch the Mother of the Year Award?",
">\n\nThe Quokka defense rarely works for humans.",
">\n\nSo… another normal day at any American Walmart then?",
">\n\nFrankly the supreme court really messed us all up. But what we have here is someone that is obviously to unstable to be a parent.",
">\n\nWould be really hard to watch this and not punch that cunt in the face repeatedly. Maybe a kick or two as well.",
">\n\nIf she’s willing to do that in public, I can’t even fathom what she would do to that child at home.",
">\n\nThey call this a Soccer mom.",
">\n\nThrow her trashy ass in jail",
">\n\nI read stuff like this and realize some people aren’t worthy of living. Hope the kid turns out alright because she’s not worthy of anything.",
">\n\nThe cycle continues for that family. Always remember you can be the one to change things but it takes patience which I think is something that should be stressed a lot more but isn't. If you don't have patience then you won't be able to deal with a screaming 1-year-old. It's that simple.",
">\n\n\"Kick the baby!\" - Kyle Broflovski",
">\n\nThis is a horrifically damaged person. In no way do I excuse her abuse of this poor little baby, though.",
">\n\nYes, yes, bad mother, poor child and all that. Clearly this lady has some issues and very likely needs professional psychiatric help. Or maybe she's just a narcissistic, entitled asshole. Either way she should've never been saddled with a child.",
">\n\ni wish you weren't being downvoted, because obviously this woman has some issues, and the age of the child indicates that it could be postpartum depression, which is not nothing. or, like you said, she could just be an asshole. \nscreaming and punching a wall because a baby was crying? that is definitely not normal. obviously it's horrible that the baby has been abused, and thankfully it is physically okay from this assault, but the mom obviously needs help.",
">\n\nYeah, people in this thread are clamoring for her to be thrown in jail but that really isnt gonna solve anything (shed probably come out worse).\nShes clearly not all there.",
">\n\nand i'm getting downvoted for saying she needs help, lol what.",
">\n\nYou're being down voted for worrying about the wrong person. The child is the one that needs compassion. The abusers needs are less important.",
">\n\nMost Walmart sentence ever.",
">\n\nI obviously know nothing of this woman and her history but uncharacteristic rage and unfortunately in some cases violent outbursts can be a sign of postpartum depression. Hormones can do crazy things.",
">\n\nYou and her both need to walk into traffic",
">\n\nSeems like a solid way to deal with mental illness? Postpartum depression is a very real thing and can make people act in uncharacteristic ways.",
">\n\nQueue up the Janes Addiction",
">\n\nSay what you mean.",
">\n\nIt’s right there ^",
">\n\nI guess you got too embarrassed or downvoted and deleted it right after that comment eh?",
">\n\nNope. It’s all right there still.",
">\n\nIt says deleted clear as day, but alright. I’ll just look up the edits because I’m curious.",
">\n\nNothing was deleted by me and still shows so 🤷🏻♂️",
">\n\nThis isn’t fucking news Jesus Christ",
">\n\nAm I the only one whose second thought after “how can you do that to your baby” was “why is this article especially the headline putting shoplifting on the same level with doing that to your baby?”\nI’m not one of those people who thinks shoplifting is cool or whatever but…this is some really blatant “arson, murder, and jaywalking” stuff.",
">\n\nHow is the headline putting the crimes on the same level? It's literally just the events that happened, a mom who was shoplifting kicked her baby after being caught. The headline is not trying to equate assaulting a baby with shoplifting.",
">\n\nIt mentioned the shoplifting before kicking the baby (really burying the lede there).",
">\n\nBecause it happened during a confrontation with security guards.",
">\n\nIsn’t shopping at Walmart in itself shoplifting?",
">\n\nI can't imagine that the others in that room would have a very different story. Let's hear your defense of this woman's actions.",
">\n\nBecause at the moment, that's what makes the most sense given the information at hand.\nYou, on the other hand, are going exactly the opposite direction. You're essentially blaming the police without any evidence.\nHow about we all wait for now information before passing any judgement on anyone?",
">\n\nLook back and point to the statement that “blames police” for me.\nOf course it’s the “information at hand”; they have a vested interest in making it available.\nI’m literally saying “you only have one side of the argument” and you (and many others) are downvoting for even suggesting that very thing.",
">\n\n\nWhy give police the benefit of the doubt?\nWhy give the police version the benefit of the doubt?\n\nStating that twice really makes you look like you're saying the police are the problem, here. The police weren't involved at the start. The article says they were called later. Have you reason to doubt that part of the story? Do you think they were there from the start and that they made her kick the baby? Or maybe that a cop did that and they are trying to blame it on her to absolve themselves? In front of the witnesses at the scene? It's a leap that didn't make sense to me. Unless you have more information than is in the article...\nI find the information in the article, as presented, a reasonable place to start. If I see more coming out of this in coming days that showed the police did something wrong, I'll most certainly consider what's reported then.",
">\n\n“Believe police versions” is what you’re saying.\nAt least be honest.",
">\n\nOne of the few articles that made me say “wtf”. Poor child.",
">\n\nSounds like she was under the influence of some drug. 😢",
">\n\nIt will only get worse as more and more unwanted children are born. Thanks supreme court!",
">\n\nSo glad this happened where it could be caught on camera and police were involved so this child can be take away!",
">\n\nI hate to say this, but that baby will probably die if the state does nothing.\nI hope they both get the help they need.",
">\n\nThere are many people in this thread committed to making sure the state is never allowed to stop child abuse. They support parental rights to kill, barbecue and eat their offspring in broad day light and nobody should even be allowed to mention that it's unsightly to eat dismembered children in the park. Those who mention that child abuse is bad will just be told that millions of dead children on yearly basis is worth it as long as it stops the state from overreaching itself once a century.",
">\n\nWhat the fuck is wrong with America, I feel like read shit like this every single day",
">\n\nIt’s because an awful lot of people are indeed, absolute trash. Wife working in retail has been an eye opener on just how many arrogant psychopathic mouth breathing, lazy, careless and vindictive people there are out there.\nYesterday a grown woman urinated on the floor of her store as part of throwing a tantrum because something was out of stock. \nSo many people just waste space in this world."
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Well, I guess we know where that baby gets its shopping skills from. Hopefully it won't also inherit a penchant for kicking and punching walls... but only time will tell
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"That website is giving my browser cancer so here's the text for anyone else who can't get it to load properly.\n\nTETERBORO — A mother kicked her baby daughter and sent the child careening across the floor after shoplifting from Walmart, according to police.\nJamira McDaniel, 23, of Paterson, was caught stealing at the supercenter in Teterboro by Walmart theft protection personnel on Tuesday, Moonachie Police Lt. Jeff Napolitano confirmed to New Jersey 101.5.\nMcDaniel was with her 1-year-old girl and the child's aunt.\nAfter she was taken to the store's security office, McDaniel placed the baby girl on the ground and kicked her in the back, Napolitano said. The toddler was sent across the floor and into the security office.\nAccording to Napolitano, the incident was caught on security cameras. He said video of the kick was turned over to Bergen County court but was not yet publicly available.\nThe theft protection workers then picked up the inconsolable child, handed her to McDaniel's sister, and called the police.\n\"McDaniel, upset by the girl who was now screaming and crying while being held by her aunt, began punching walls and yelling for the baby to stop crying,\" Napolitano explained. \"McDaniel also grabbed the baby and began to shake her while she was being held by her aunt.\"\nMoonachie cops soon arrived at the store and called an ambulance to evaluate the baby. Fortunately, first responders found the child was uninjured.\nThe mother is charged with endangering the welfare of a child, assault, shoplifting, and criminal mischief, according to Napolitano.\nMcDaniel was sent to Bergen County jail, which is where she remains as of Wednesday evening. The aunt was not charged and the child was given to family members.\n\nGod help that poor baby.",
">\n\nSome people really need to not have kids",
">\n\nMore people should have abortions. If someone cannot or doesn’t want to raise a child abortion should be the first choice. Bringing children into this world only for them to suffer is awful. So many wind up in the foster system and no one adopts them then they age out. Then you have adults who have no family or resources and continue to suffer. \nAnytime someone says abortion is bad and they should just birth the child and give it up for adoption should be required to take one of those children into their homes. \nCausing unwavering suffering of another living being is immoral.",
">\n\nI absolutely agree but there is also a large subset of people that WANT to have kids but are still completely awful parents.",
">\n\nHence, the reverse abortion! A simple way to solve these issues",
">\n\nWhat's a reverse abortion? Shoving the child back up the coochie and into the uterus?? \nMaybe I'm just super dumb today and drank too much or too little coffee, but I really don't know what a reverse abortion would be. \nAm I going to feel really stupid when you tell me? If so, that's ok, just tell me anyway, I'm used to feeling stupid.",
">\n\nInstead of aborting babies, abort the parents",
">\n\nCan you legally abort a baby after 18 years?",
">\n\nSometimes I ask my mom if she would feel comfortable having a 124th trimester abortion. My brother is not working out.",
">\n\nReading that article, it sounds like being a shoplifter is the best thing about her.",
">\n\nWhen my kids were little I found it almost impossible to read articles like this. They would stick with me for days or weeks. \nI really hope that baby ends up in a loving home because game fucking over for mom.",
">\n\nI have a 1½‐year-old and reading this makes me want to cry.",
">\n\nSame. I just can’t read anything like this, it’s so horrifying. And I just hold my kiddo and cry and then be sad I can’t love all the babies and protect them all. \nKids are just so freaking pure and good and they just want to be loved and safe like that’s it man. How could you do something to something so innocent?",
">\n\nReading your comment, in contrast to OP’s horror inducing title, legit just brought a tear to my eye. Makes me hug my kiddos extra just thinking about it!",
">\n\nIf she kicks and shakes the baby in public, I can’t imagine what she does to that poor child at home. Disgusting woman.",
">\n\nAbortion should be legal so we can make sure this woman never existed.",
">\n\nWe should be able to abort the mother in this instance.",
">\n\nThat’s… that’s what he just inferred",
">\n\nDoesn't hurt to drive the point home",
">\n\nYou see horrible parenting in a walmart any day, but this is is, I think, the worst I've heard of. I hope she doesn't get that poor kid back.",
">\n\nUnfortunately, in this circumstance, it's better for her to do this shit in public and get caught so the baby (and other possible kids) gets taken away. If that's what she does in public, imagine what she does behind closed doors.",
">\n\nHoly fuck, Adblock on Firefox shows 450+ blocked on that website alone???",
">\n\nNow do you see why everyone on reddit is losing their mind over the news that Chrome is preventing ad block.\nIf you haven't switched to Firefox or something else, you might want to start test driving a few browsers because good LORD you have no idea how bad things are without ad block.",
">\n\nPiece of trash. Even reading the article boils my blood.",
">\n\nDefinitely r/iamatotalpieceofshit material",
">\n\nThank god she showed her true abusive colours while on camera and in front of everyone. Now the kid will be protected from her and serious injury/trauma prevented.",
">\n\nI hope this baby finds her way to a loving and caring mother, and I hope this lady gets the mental help she needs.",
">\n\nYea and maybe my mom will quit drinking and my dad will come home.",
">\n\nHope is sometimes all we have",
">\n\nMy best friend’s mom was a foster parent for many years. She was well known by DFACS for taking in their most difficult cases, children of severe abuse, often arriving in the middle of the night with nothing more than the clothes on their backs. She didn’t have a lot of money, bit she somehow made due for all of the kids. She was practical and no nonsense, pragmatic and loving. I learned a lot about how to stretch a dollar to make struggle meals from her. Full bellies and full hearts.\nWhen I was a new mother, she was my lifeline. I knew nothing about babies and she patiently taught me what I needed to know. She talked me through my son’s first bath over the telephone, I was exhausted from lack of sleep because my baby had severe colic. And, Ms S would gather him into her arms and rock him in her special creaky rocking chair. And, he fell into a blissful and untroubled sleep. She was truly a baby whisperer. \nHer heart and soul were devoted to children who were victims of horrific abuse. She took in a toddler who had spent much of his young life living in a cage. He was non verbal and unable to walk. After several years, she brought him up to nearly his age level. He was walking and verbal. The state stepped in and returned him to his newly “reformed” mother.\nHe was returned to Ms S a year later, with severe setbacks. She did everything that she could for this boy. Bit, when the state took him back again, she was done. Eventually, her remaining kids aged out of the system.\nAnyway, long ass story. Please forgive me for this. I’m just thinking about the little girl from this story and hoping that she lands in the lap of a Ms S in a special creaky rocking chair and comes to know comfort from a truly caring person and never has to be returned to an uncaring and abusive ”mother”.\nRIP Ms S for being the only real mom to many kids and for being a very special Grandmom to my kids . Never forgotten and always remembered.",
">\n\nCool story man. She sounds like a fantastic person",
">\n\nI swear i think i live next to this woman... Always screaming and swearing at her kids at the top of her lungs...",
">\n\nCall cps. Lived in a similar situation awhile back. I was afraid to call, wish I would be called earlier looking back at it.",
">\n\nDealt with CPS as a child growing up. They don’t care. My parents would have gone to jail had i been an animal and they were just as abusive. Especially if the child has no other family nearby to take em.",
">\n\nSounds awful for you. Im really sorry. As far as CPS goes I didn’t know what else do to, any ideas in case I find myself in a similar situation?\nNot too long after I called they moved out in the middle of the night and left their dog behind. Wish they would have left the kids wouldve adopted them too. \nHope you’re doing good now internet stranger.",
">\n\nShe obviously can't be trusted with her child, but I hope she gets the help that she clearly needs.",
">\n\nShe obviously hates the child and doesn't know how to take care of it so it should be taken and given to somebody who can take care of it and appreciate it. \nIt really makes me sick that there's people out there that struggle to get pregnant and want so desperately to have babies... And then you have this woman who decides to use her baby like a football. 🙄",
">\n\nYeah I hear kangaroos will throw their babies out to escape",
">\n\nI’m not advocating for violence, but the blunt end of a shingler’s hatchet works wonders as an attitude-correction tool.",
">\n\nThat's very Walmart of her",
">\n\ndead kid walking\nmom will get a slap on the wrist, at some point the courts will agree to a reunification plan, mom gets kid back\nmom and her boyfriend beat kid to death after starving it and abusing it for it's short miserable life",
">\n\nThat is such an extremely disgusting act to do. Baby deserves better than that.",
">\n\nSomeone is about to lose her parental rights.",
">\n\nI really wish I never clicked on this post. Not everyone is fit to be a parent.",
">\n\nThe charges aren’t severe enough. “Endangering the welfare?” A kick from an adult can kill a one year old baby…\nShe needs to go to prison for good.",
">\n\nI expect a lot of stories like this over the next decade as abortion restrictions lead to people who aren't prepared for kids to become parents.",
">\n\nCan we not link everything that and instead focus on the fact this a shitty person instead?",
">\n\nok and abortion reduces the number of shitty people having children. it is all related.",
">\n\nThere is no guarantee shitty people would go about it. They still have to want to do it during a very limited window.",
">\n\nJust pure numbers, more abortions mean at least one less shitty person having kids",
">\n\nJust read the article, I hope the baby is safe, taken out of her custody permanently, and this vile bitch is spayed like a stray dog and thrown into jail for 5-7 years. (I'm aware that won't happen) Fucking worst type of human. Disgusting and reprehensible behavior.",
">\n\nWatch the downfall of Mankind: Go to r/publicfreakout search \"WalMart\"... \"Waffle House\", \"MacDonald's\" and \"Starbucks\" will suffice also.",
">\n\nI can't be the only who thinks it's interesting as a society we have to take have qualifications for certain jobs but to be a parent.. fuck it, you don't need training at all.. seems a little fucked up",
">\n\nThere are evil assholes in this thread saying that people have a god-given right to have, kill, barbecue and eat their own children. They claim it's \"freedom from state over-reach\", but it means they want to kill, barbecue and eat children with zero consequences. Child abuse is common in this world. My own father beat me until I put him in the hospital and then never saw him again. These assholes want to make sure fathers are allowed to beat their children freely, and that any child who defends themself is punished. Fuck those people!\nThe state has a role in protecting children. And anyone against it is an enemy of decency.",
">\n\nPaterson, NJ. No surprise....",
">\n\nThe surprise is it’s not Florida.",
">\n\nAnother baby mama loses her child. Don't worry; she'll make more.",
">\n\nThat is not a mom, this is a piece of trash that let some guy rawdog her.",
">\n\nSpay her and lock her up for ten years. In no way should she ever be in a position to bring more children into the world to abuse. \nWhat hasn't been caught on camera in this woman's home? What emotional damage has already been inflicted prior that might not be able to be fixed?",
">\n\nLike the quokka, shoplifters are known to throw their offspring down to bait predators and increase the chances of escape.",
">\n\nPrison and throw away the key",
">\n\nBruh that’s a rough 23 😬",
">\n\nSo a typical Walmart outing",
">\n\nI think this is the appropriate use of the phrase \"that woman is a cunt\".",
">\n\nLast minute effort to clinch the Mother of the Year Award?",
">\n\nThe Quokka defense rarely works for humans.",
">\n\nSo… another normal day at any American Walmart then?",
">\n\nFrankly the supreme court really messed us all up. But what we have here is someone that is obviously to unstable to be a parent.",
">\n\nWould be really hard to watch this and not punch that cunt in the face repeatedly. Maybe a kick or two as well.",
">\n\nIf she’s willing to do that in public, I can’t even fathom what she would do to that child at home.",
">\n\nThey call this a Soccer mom.",
">\n\nThrow her trashy ass in jail",
">\n\nI read stuff like this and realize some people aren’t worthy of living. Hope the kid turns out alright because she’s not worthy of anything.",
">\n\nThe cycle continues for that family. Always remember you can be the one to change things but it takes patience which I think is something that should be stressed a lot more but isn't. If you don't have patience then you won't be able to deal with a screaming 1-year-old. It's that simple.",
">\n\n\"Kick the baby!\" - Kyle Broflovski",
">\n\nThis is a horrifically damaged person. In no way do I excuse her abuse of this poor little baby, though.",
">\n\nYes, yes, bad mother, poor child and all that. Clearly this lady has some issues and very likely needs professional psychiatric help. Or maybe she's just a narcissistic, entitled asshole. Either way she should've never been saddled with a child.",
">\n\ni wish you weren't being downvoted, because obviously this woman has some issues, and the age of the child indicates that it could be postpartum depression, which is not nothing. or, like you said, she could just be an asshole. \nscreaming and punching a wall because a baby was crying? that is definitely not normal. obviously it's horrible that the baby has been abused, and thankfully it is physically okay from this assault, but the mom obviously needs help.",
">\n\nYeah, people in this thread are clamoring for her to be thrown in jail but that really isnt gonna solve anything (shed probably come out worse).\nShes clearly not all there.",
">\n\nand i'm getting downvoted for saying she needs help, lol what.",
">\n\nYou're being down voted for worrying about the wrong person. The child is the one that needs compassion. The abusers needs are less important.",
">\n\nMost Walmart sentence ever.",
">\n\nI obviously know nothing of this woman and her history but uncharacteristic rage and unfortunately in some cases violent outbursts can be a sign of postpartum depression. Hormones can do crazy things.",
">\n\nYou and her both need to walk into traffic",
">\n\nSeems like a solid way to deal with mental illness? Postpartum depression is a very real thing and can make people act in uncharacteristic ways.",
">\n\nQueue up the Janes Addiction",
">\n\nSay what you mean.",
">\n\nIt’s right there ^",
">\n\nI guess you got too embarrassed or downvoted and deleted it right after that comment eh?",
">\n\nNope. It’s all right there still.",
">\n\nIt says deleted clear as day, but alright. I’ll just look up the edits because I’m curious.",
">\n\nNothing was deleted by me and still shows so 🤷🏻♂️",
">\n\nThis isn’t fucking news Jesus Christ",
">\n\nAm I the only one whose second thought after “how can you do that to your baby” was “why is this article especially the headline putting shoplifting on the same level with doing that to your baby?”\nI’m not one of those people who thinks shoplifting is cool or whatever but…this is some really blatant “arson, murder, and jaywalking” stuff.",
">\n\nHow is the headline putting the crimes on the same level? It's literally just the events that happened, a mom who was shoplifting kicked her baby after being caught. The headline is not trying to equate assaulting a baby with shoplifting.",
">\n\nIt mentioned the shoplifting before kicking the baby (really burying the lede there).",
">\n\nBecause it happened during a confrontation with security guards.",
">\n\nIsn’t shopping at Walmart in itself shoplifting?",
">\n\nI can't imagine that the others in that room would have a very different story. Let's hear your defense of this woman's actions.",
">\n\nBecause at the moment, that's what makes the most sense given the information at hand.\nYou, on the other hand, are going exactly the opposite direction. You're essentially blaming the police without any evidence.\nHow about we all wait for now information before passing any judgement on anyone?",
">\n\nLook back and point to the statement that “blames police” for me.\nOf course it’s the “information at hand”; they have a vested interest in making it available.\nI’m literally saying “you only have one side of the argument” and you (and many others) are downvoting for even suggesting that very thing.",
">\n\n\nWhy give police the benefit of the doubt?\nWhy give the police version the benefit of the doubt?\n\nStating that twice really makes you look like you're saying the police are the problem, here. The police weren't involved at the start. The article says they were called later. Have you reason to doubt that part of the story? Do you think they were there from the start and that they made her kick the baby? Or maybe that a cop did that and they are trying to blame it on her to absolve themselves? In front of the witnesses at the scene? It's a leap that didn't make sense to me. Unless you have more information than is in the article...\nI find the information in the article, as presented, a reasonable place to start. If I see more coming out of this in coming days that showed the police did something wrong, I'll most certainly consider what's reported then.",
">\n\n“Believe police versions” is what you’re saying.\nAt least be honest.",
">\n\nOne of the few articles that made me say “wtf”. Poor child.",
">\n\nSounds like she was under the influence of some drug. 😢",
">\n\nIt will only get worse as more and more unwanted children are born. Thanks supreme court!",
">\n\nSo glad this happened where it could be caught on camera and police were involved so this child can be take away!",
">\n\nI hate to say this, but that baby will probably die if the state does nothing.\nI hope they both get the help they need.",
">\n\nThere are many people in this thread committed to making sure the state is never allowed to stop child abuse. They support parental rights to kill, barbecue and eat their offspring in broad day light and nobody should even be allowed to mention that it's unsightly to eat dismembered children in the park. Those who mention that child abuse is bad will just be told that millions of dead children on yearly basis is worth it as long as it stops the state from overreaching itself once a century.",
">\n\nWhat the fuck is wrong with America, I feel like read shit like this every single day",
">\n\nIt’s because an awful lot of people are indeed, absolute trash. Wife working in retail has been an eye opener on just how many arrogant psychopathic mouth breathing, lazy, careless and vindictive people there are out there.\nYesterday a grown woman urinated on the floor of her store as part of throwing a tantrum because something was out of stock. \nSo many people just waste space in this world.",
">\n\nThe fuck man thats just unbelievable, I work in customer service as well and sympathize with you and your wife."
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That baby was just saved. 🙏
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"That website is giving my browser cancer so here's the text for anyone else who can't get it to load properly.\n\nTETERBORO — A mother kicked her baby daughter and sent the child careening across the floor after shoplifting from Walmart, according to police.\nJamira McDaniel, 23, of Paterson, was caught stealing at the supercenter in Teterboro by Walmart theft protection personnel on Tuesday, Moonachie Police Lt. Jeff Napolitano confirmed to New Jersey 101.5.\nMcDaniel was with her 1-year-old girl and the child's aunt.\nAfter she was taken to the store's security office, McDaniel placed the baby girl on the ground and kicked her in the back, Napolitano said. The toddler was sent across the floor and into the security office.\nAccording to Napolitano, the incident was caught on security cameras. He said video of the kick was turned over to Bergen County court but was not yet publicly available.\nThe theft protection workers then picked up the inconsolable child, handed her to McDaniel's sister, and called the police.\n\"McDaniel, upset by the girl who was now screaming and crying while being held by her aunt, began punching walls and yelling for the baby to stop crying,\" Napolitano explained. \"McDaniel also grabbed the baby and began to shake her while she was being held by her aunt.\"\nMoonachie cops soon arrived at the store and called an ambulance to evaluate the baby. Fortunately, first responders found the child was uninjured.\nThe mother is charged with endangering the welfare of a child, assault, shoplifting, and criminal mischief, according to Napolitano.\nMcDaniel was sent to Bergen County jail, which is where she remains as of Wednesday evening. The aunt was not charged and the child was given to family members.\n\nGod help that poor baby.",
">\n\nSome people really need to not have kids",
">\n\nMore people should have abortions. If someone cannot or doesn’t want to raise a child abortion should be the first choice. Bringing children into this world only for them to suffer is awful. So many wind up in the foster system and no one adopts them then they age out. Then you have adults who have no family or resources and continue to suffer. \nAnytime someone says abortion is bad and they should just birth the child and give it up for adoption should be required to take one of those children into their homes. \nCausing unwavering suffering of another living being is immoral.",
">\n\nI absolutely agree but there is also a large subset of people that WANT to have kids but are still completely awful parents.",
">\n\nHence, the reverse abortion! A simple way to solve these issues",
">\n\nWhat's a reverse abortion? Shoving the child back up the coochie and into the uterus?? \nMaybe I'm just super dumb today and drank too much or too little coffee, but I really don't know what a reverse abortion would be. \nAm I going to feel really stupid when you tell me? If so, that's ok, just tell me anyway, I'm used to feeling stupid.",
">\n\nInstead of aborting babies, abort the parents",
">\n\nCan you legally abort a baby after 18 years?",
">\n\nSometimes I ask my mom if she would feel comfortable having a 124th trimester abortion. My brother is not working out.",
">\n\nReading that article, it sounds like being a shoplifter is the best thing about her.",
">\n\nWhen my kids were little I found it almost impossible to read articles like this. They would stick with me for days or weeks. \nI really hope that baby ends up in a loving home because game fucking over for mom.",
">\n\nI have a 1½‐year-old and reading this makes me want to cry.",
">\n\nSame. I just can’t read anything like this, it’s so horrifying. And I just hold my kiddo and cry and then be sad I can’t love all the babies and protect them all. \nKids are just so freaking pure and good and they just want to be loved and safe like that’s it man. How could you do something to something so innocent?",
">\n\nReading your comment, in contrast to OP’s horror inducing title, legit just brought a tear to my eye. Makes me hug my kiddos extra just thinking about it!",
">\n\nIf she kicks and shakes the baby in public, I can’t imagine what she does to that poor child at home. Disgusting woman.",
">\n\nAbortion should be legal so we can make sure this woman never existed.",
">\n\nWe should be able to abort the mother in this instance.",
">\n\nThat’s… that’s what he just inferred",
">\n\nDoesn't hurt to drive the point home",
">\n\nYou see horrible parenting in a walmart any day, but this is is, I think, the worst I've heard of. I hope she doesn't get that poor kid back.",
">\n\nUnfortunately, in this circumstance, it's better for her to do this shit in public and get caught so the baby (and other possible kids) gets taken away. If that's what she does in public, imagine what she does behind closed doors.",
">\n\nHoly fuck, Adblock on Firefox shows 450+ blocked on that website alone???",
">\n\nNow do you see why everyone on reddit is losing their mind over the news that Chrome is preventing ad block.\nIf you haven't switched to Firefox or something else, you might want to start test driving a few browsers because good LORD you have no idea how bad things are without ad block.",
">\n\nPiece of trash. Even reading the article boils my blood.",
">\n\nDefinitely r/iamatotalpieceofshit material",
">\n\nThank god she showed her true abusive colours while on camera and in front of everyone. Now the kid will be protected from her and serious injury/trauma prevented.",
">\n\nI hope this baby finds her way to a loving and caring mother, and I hope this lady gets the mental help she needs.",
">\n\nYea and maybe my mom will quit drinking and my dad will come home.",
">\n\nHope is sometimes all we have",
">\n\nMy best friend’s mom was a foster parent for many years. She was well known by DFACS for taking in their most difficult cases, children of severe abuse, often arriving in the middle of the night with nothing more than the clothes on their backs. She didn’t have a lot of money, bit she somehow made due for all of the kids. She was practical and no nonsense, pragmatic and loving. I learned a lot about how to stretch a dollar to make struggle meals from her. Full bellies and full hearts.\nWhen I was a new mother, she was my lifeline. I knew nothing about babies and she patiently taught me what I needed to know. She talked me through my son’s first bath over the telephone, I was exhausted from lack of sleep because my baby had severe colic. And, Ms S would gather him into her arms and rock him in her special creaky rocking chair. And, he fell into a blissful and untroubled sleep. She was truly a baby whisperer. \nHer heart and soul were devoted to children who were victims of horrific abuse. She took in a toddler who had spent much of his young life living in a cage. He was non verbal and unable to walk. After several years, she brought him up to nearly his age level. He was walking and verbal. The state stepped in and returned him to his newly “reformed” mother.\nHe was returned to Ms S a year later, with severe setbacks. She did everything that she could for this boy. Bit, when the state took him back again, she was done. Eventually, her remaining kids aged out of the system.\nAnyway, long ass story. Please forgive me for this. I’m just thinking about the little girl from this story and hoping that she lands in the lap of a Ms S in a special creaky rocking chair and comes to know comfort from a truly caring person and never has to be returned to an uncaring and abusive ”mother”.\nRIP Ms S for being the only real mom to many kids and for being a very special Grandmom to my kids . Never forgotten and always remembered.",
">\n\nCool story man. She sounds like a fantastic person",
">\n\nI swear i think i live next to this woman... Always screaming and swearing at her kids at the top of her lungs...",
">\n\nCall cps. Lived in a similar situation awhile back. I was afraid to call, wish I would be called earlier looking back at it.",
">\n\nDealt with CPS as a child growing up. They don’t care. My parents would have gone to jail had i been an animal and they were just as abusive. Especially if the child has no other family nearby to take em.",
">\n\nSounds awful for you. Im really sorry. As far as CPS goes I didn’t know what else do to, any ideas in case I find myself in a similar situation?\nNot too long after I called they moved out in the middle of the night and left their dog behind. Wish they would have left the kids wouldve adopted them too. \nHope you’re doing good now internet stranger.",
">\n\nShe obviously can't be trusted with her child, but I hope she gets the help that she clearly needs.",
">\n\nShe obviously hates the child and doesn't know how to take care of it so it should be taken and given to somebody who can take care of it and appreciate it. \nIt really makes me sick that there's people out there that struggle to get pregnant and want so desperately to have babies... And then you have this woman who decides to use her baby like a football. 🙄",
">\n\nYeah I hear kangaroos will throw their babies out to escape",
">\n\nI’m not advocating for violence, but the blunt end of a shingler’s hatchet works wonders as an attitude-correction tool.",
">\n\nThat's very Walmart of her",
">\n\ndead kid walking\nmom will get a slap on the wrist, at some point the courts will agree to a reunification plan, mom gets kid back\nmom and her boyfriend beat kid to death after starving it and abusing it for it's short miserable life",
">\n\nThat is such an extremely disgusting act to do. Baby deserves better than that.",
">\n\nSomeone is about to lose her parental rights.",
">\n\nI really wish I never clicked on this post. Not everyone is fit to be a parent.",
">\n\nThe charges aren’t severe enough. “Endangering the welfare?” A kick from an adult can kill a one year old baby…\nShe needs to go to prison for good.",
">\n\nI expect a lot of stories like this over the next decade as abortion restrictions lead to people who aren't prepared for kids to become parents.",
">\n\nCan we not link everything that and instead focus on the fact this a shitty person instead?",
">\n\nok and abortion reduces the number of shitty people having children. it is all related.",
">\n\nThere is no guarantee shitty people would go about it. They still have to want to do it during a very limited window.",
">\n\nJust pure numbers, more abortions mean at least one less shitty person having kids",
">\n\nJust read the article, I hope the baby is safe, taken out of her custody permanently, and this vile bitch is spayed like a stray dog and thrown into jail for 5-7 years. (I'm aware that won't happen) Fucking worst type of human. Disgusting and reprehensible behavior.",
">\n\nWatch the downfall of Mankind: Go to r/publicfreakout search \"WalMart\"... \"Waffle House\", \"MacDonald's\" and \"Starbucks\" will suffice also.",
">\n\nI can't be the only who thinks it's interesting as a society we have to take have qualifications for certain jobs but to be a parent.. fuck it, you don't need training at all.. seems a little fucked up",
">\n\nThere are evil assholes in this thread saying that people have a god-given right to have, kill, barbecue and eat their own children. They claim it's \"freedom from state over-reach\", but it means they want to kill, barbecue and eat children with zero consequences. Child abuse is common in this world. My own father beat me until I put him in the hospital and then never saw him again. These assholes want to make sure fathers are allowed to beat their children freely, and that any child who defends themself is punished. Fuck those people!\nThe state has a role in protecting children. And anyone against it is an enemy of decency.",
">\n\nPaterson, NJ. No surprise....",
">\n\nThe surprise is it’s not Florida.",
">\n\nAnother baby mama loses her child. Don't worry; she'll make more.",
">\n\nThat is not a mom, this is a piece of trash that let some guy rawdog her.",
">\n\nSpay her and lock her up for ten years. In no way should she ever be in a position to bring more children into the world to abuse. \nWhat hasn't been caught on camera in this woman's home? What emotional damage has already been inflicted prior that might not be able to be fixed?",
">\n\nLike the quokka, shoplifters are known to throw their offspring down to bait predators and increase the chances of escape.",
">\n\nPrison and throw away the key",
">\n\nBruh that’s a rough 23 😬",
">\n\nSo a typical Walmart outing",
">\n\nI think this is the appropriate use of the phrase \"that woman is a cunt\".",
">\n\nLast minute effort to clinch the Mother of the Year Award?",
">\n\nThe Quokka defense rarely works for humans.",
">\n\nSo… another normal day at any American Walmart then?",
">\n\nFrankly the supreme court really messed us all up. But what we have here is someone that is obviously to unstable to be a parent.",
">\n\nWould be really hard to watch this and not punch that cunt in the face repeatedly. Maybe a kick or two as well.",
">\n\nIf she’s willing to do that in public, I can’t even fathom what she would do to that child at home.",
">\n\nThey call this a Soccer mom.",
">\n\nThrow her trashy ass in jail",
">\n\nI read stuff like this and realize some people aren’t worthy of living. Hope the kid turns out alright because she’s not worthy of anything.",
">\n\nThe cycle continues for that family. Always remember you can be the one to change things but it takes patience which I think is something that should be stressed a lot more but isn't. If you don't have patience then you won't be able to deal with a screaming 1-year-old. It's that simple.",
">\n\n\"Kick the baby!\" - Kyle Broflovski",
">\n\nThis is a horrifically damaged person. In no way do I excuse her abuse of this poor little baby, though.",
">\n\nYes, yes, bad mother, poor child and all that. Clearly this lady has some issues and very likely needs professional psychiatric help. Or maybe she's just a narcissistic, entitled asshole. Either way she should've never been saddled with a child.",
">\n\ni wish you weren't being downvoted, because obviously this woman has some issues, and the age of the child indicates that it could be postpartum depression, which is not nothing. or, like you said, she could just be an asshole. \nscreaming and punching a wall because a baby was crying? that is definitely not normal. obviously it's horrible that the baby has been abused, and thankfully it is physically okay from this assault, but the mom obviously needs help.",
">\n\nYeah, people in this thread are clamoring for her to be thrown in jail but that really isnt gonna solve anything (shed probably come out worse).\nShes clearly not all there.",
">\n\nand i'm getting downvoted for saying she needs help, lol what.",
">\n\nYou're being down voted for worrying about the wrong person. The child is the one that needs compassion. The abusers needs are less important.",
">\n\nMost Walmart sentence ever.",
">\n\nI obviously know nothing of this woman and her history but uncharacteristic rage and unfortunately in some cases violent outbursts can be a sign of postpartum depression. Hormones can do crazy things.",
">\n\nYou and her both need to walk into traffic",
">\n\nSeems like a solid way to deal with mental illness? Postpartum depression is a very real thing and can make people act in uncharacteristic ways.",
">\n\nQueue up the Janes Addiction",
">\n\nSay what you mean.",
">\n\nIt’s right there ^",
">\n\nI guess you got too embarrassed or downvoted and deleted it right after that comment eh?",
">\n\nNope. It’s all right there still.",
">\n\nIt says deleted clear as day, but alright. I’ll just look up the edits because I’m curious.",
">\n\nNothing was deleted by me and still shows so 🤷🏻♂️",
">\n\nThis isn’t fucking news Jesus Christ",
">\n\nAm I the only one whose second thought after “how can you do that to your baby” was “why is this article especially the headline putting shoplifting on the same level with doing that to your baby?”\nI’m not one of those people who thinks shoplifting is cool or whatever but…this is some really blatant “arson, murder, and jaywalking” stuff.",
">\n\nHow is the headline putting the crimes on the same level? It's literally just the events that happened, a mom who was shoplifting kicked her baby after being caught. The headline is not trying to equate assaulting a baby with shoplifting.",
">\n\nIt mentioned the shoplifting before kicking the baby (really burying the lede there).",
">\n\nBecause it happened during a confrontation with security guards.",
">\n\nIsn’t shopping at Walmart in itself shoplifting?",
">\n\nI can't imagine that the others in that room would have a very different story. Let's hear your defense of this woman's actions.",
">\n\nBecause at the moment, that's what makes the most sense given the information at hand.\nYou, on the other hand, are going exactly the opposite direction. You're essentially blaming the police without any evidence.\nHow about we all wait for now information before passing any judgement on anyone?",
">\n\nLook back and point to the statement that “blames police” for me.\nOf course it’s the “information at hand”; they have a vested interest in making it available.\nI’m literally saying “you only have one side of the argument” and you (and many others) are downvoting for even suggesting that very thing.",
">\n\n\nWhy give police the benefit of the doubt?\nWhy give the police version the benefit of the doubt?\n\nStating that twice really makes you look like you're saying the police are the problem, here. The police weren't involved at the start. The article says they were called later. Have you reason to doubt that part of the story? Do you think they were there from the start and that they made her kick the baby? Or maybe that a cop did that and they are trying to blame it on her to absolve themselves? In front of the witnesses at the scene? It's a leap that didn't make sense to me. Unless you have more information than is in the article...\nI find the information in the article, as presented, a reasonable place to start. If I see more coming out of this in coming days that showed the police did something wrong, I'll most certainly consider what's reported then.",
">\n\n“Believe police versions” is what you’re saying.\nAt least be honest.",
">\n\nOne of the few articles that made me say “wtf”. Poor child.",
">\n\nSounds like she was under the influence of some drug. 😢",
">\n\nIt will only get worse as more and more unwanted children are born. Thanks supreme court!",
">\n\nSo glad this happened where it could be caught on camera and police were involved so this child can be take away!",
">\n\nI hate to say this, but that baby will probably die if the state does nothing.\nI hope they both get the help they need.",
">\n\nThere are many people in this thread committed to making sure the state is never allowed to stop child abuse. They support parental rights to kill, barbecue and eat their offspring in broad day light and nobody should even be allowed to mention that it's unsightly to eat dismembered children in the park. Those who mention that child abuse is bad will just be told that millions of dead children on yearly basis is worth it as long as it stops the state from overreaching itself once a century.",
">\n\nWhat the fuck is wrong with America, I feel like read shit like this every single day",
">\n\nIt’s because an awful lot of people are indeed, absolute trash. Wife working in retail has been an eye opener on just how many arrogant psychopathic mouth breathing, lazy, careless and vindictive people there are out there.\nYesterday a grown woman urinated on the floor of her store as part of throwing a tantrum because something was out of stock. \nSo many people just waste space in this world.",
">\n\nThe fuck man thats just unbelievable, I work in customer service as well and sympathize with you and your wife.",
">\n\nWell, I guess we know where that baby gets its shopping skills from. Hopefully it won't also inherit a penchant for kicking and punching walls... but only time will tell"
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Maybe it was just given to the family. They likely will treat the kid in a similar manner behaviour like that is learned. Also she was there shoplifting with her sister so that adds to my belief the kid is likely still in danger.
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"That website is giving my browser cancer so here's the text for anyone else who can't get it to load properly.\n\nTETERBORO — A mother kicked her baby daughter and sent the child careening across the floor after shoplifting from Walmart, according to police.\nJamira McDaniel, 23, of Paterson, was caught stealing at the supercenter in Teterboro by Walmart theft protection personnel on Tuesday, Moonachie Police Lt. Jeff Napolitano confirmed to New Jersey 101.5.\nMcDaniel was with her 1-year-old girl and the child's aunt.\nAfter she was taken to the store's security office, McDaniel placed the baby girl on the ground and kicked her in the back, Napolitano said. The toddler was sent across the floor and into the security office.\nAccording to Napolitano, the incident was caught on security cameras. He said video of the kick was turned over to Bergen County court but was not yet publicly available.\nThe theft protection workers then picked up the inconsolable child, handed her to McDaniel's sister, and called the police.\n\"McDaniel, upset by the girl who was now screaming and crying while being held by her aunt, began punching walls and yelling for the baby to stop crying,\" Napolitano explained. \"McDaniel also grabbed the baby and began to shake her while she was being held by her aunt.\"\nMoonachie cops soon arrived at the store and called an ambulance to evaluate the baby. Fortunately, first responders found the child was uninjured.\nThe mother is charged with endangering the welfare of a child, assault, shoplifting, and criminal mischief, according to Napolitano.\nMcDaniel was sent to Bergen County jail, which is where she remains as of Wednesday evening. The aunt was not charged and the child was given to family members.\n\nGod help that poor baby.",
">\n\nSome people really need to not have kids",
">\n\nMore people should have abortions. If someone cannot or doesn’t want to raise a child abortion should be the first choice. Bringing children into this world only for them to suffer is awful. So many wind up in the foster system and no one adopts them then they age out. Then you have adults who have no family or resources and continue to suffer. \nAnytime someone says abortion is bad and they should just birth the child and give it up for adoption should be required to take one of those children into their homes. \nCausing unwavering suffering of another living being is immoral.",
">\n\nI absolutely agree but there is also a large subset of people that WANT to have kids but are still completely awful parents.",
">\n\nHence, the reverse abortion! A simple way to solve these issues",
">\n\nWhat's a reverse abortion? Shoving the child back up the coochie and into the uterus?? \nMaybe I'm just super dumb today and drank too much or too little coffee, but I really don't know what a reverse abortion would be. \nAm I going to feel really stupid when you tell me? If so, that's ok, just tell me anyway, I'm used to feeling stupid.",
">\n\nInstead of aborting babies, abort the parents",
">\n\nCan you legally abort a baby after 18 years?",
">\n\nSometimes I ask my mom if she would feel comfortable having a 124th trimester abortion. My brother is not working out.",
">\n\nReading that article, it sounds like being a shoplifter is the best thing about her.",
">\n\nWhen my kids were little I found it almost impossible to read articles like this. They would stick with me for days or weeks. \nI really hope that baby ends up in a loving home because game fucking over for mom.",
">\n\nI have a 1½‐year-old and reading this makes me want to cry.",
">\n\nSame. I just can’t read anything like this, it’s so horrifying. And I just hold my kiddo and cry and then be sad I can’t love all the babies and protect them all. \nKids are just so freaking pure and good and they just want to be loved and safe like that’s it man. How could you do something to something so innocent?",
">\n\nReading your comment, in contrast to OP’s horror inducing title, legit just brought a tear to my eye. Makes me hug my kiddos extra just thinking about it!",
">\n\nIf she kicks and shakes the baby in public, I can’t imagine what she does to that poor child at home. Disgusting woman.",
">\n\nAbortion should be legal so we can make sure this woman never existed.",
">\n\nWe should be able to abort the mother in this instance.",
">\n\nThat’s… that’s what he just inferred",
">\n\nDoesn't hurt to drive the point home",
">\n\nYou see horrible parenting in a walmart any day, but this is is, I think, the worst I've heard of. I hope she doesn't get that poor kid back.",
">\n\nUnfortunately, in this circumstance, it's better for her to do this shit in public and get caught so the baby (and other possible kids) gets taken away. If that's what she does in public, imagine what she does behind closed doors.",
">\n\nHoly fuck, Adblock on Firefox shows 450+ blocked on that website alone???",
">\n\nNow do you see why everyone on reddit is losing their mind over the news that Chrome is preventing ad block.\nIf you haven't switched to Firefox or something else, you might want to start test driving a few browsers because good LORD you have no idea how bad things are without ad block.",
">\n\nPiece of trash. Even reading the article boils my blood.",
">\n\nDefinitely r/iamatotalpieceofshit material",
">\n\nThank god she showed her true abusive colours while on camera and in front of everyone. Now the kid will be protected from her and serious injury/trauma prevented.",
">\n\nI hope this baby finds her way to a loving and caring mother, and I hope this lady gets the mental help she needs.",
">\n\nYea and maybe my mom will quit drinking and my dad will come home.",
">\n\nHope is sometimes all we have",
">\n\nMy best friend’s mom was a foster parent for many years. She was well known by DFACS for taking in their most difficult cases, children of severe abuse, often arriving in the middle of the night with nothing more than the clothes on their backs. She didn’t have a lot of money, bit she somehow made due for all of the kids. She was practical and no nonsense, pragmatic and loving. I learned a lot about how to stretch a dollar to make struggle meals from her. Full bellies and full hearts.\nWhen I was a new mother, she was my lifeline. I knew nothing about babies and she patiently taught me what I needed to know. She talked me through my son’s first bath over the telephone, I was exhausted from lack of sleep because my baby had severe colic. And, Ms S would gather him into her arms and rock him in her special creaky rocking chair. And, he fell into a blissful and untroubled sleep. She was truly a baby whisperer. \nHer heart and soul were devoted to children who were victims of horrific abuse. She took in a toddler who had spent much of his young life living in a cage. He was non verbal and unable to walk. After several years, she brought him up to nearly his age level. He was walking and verbal. The state stepped in and returned him to his newly “reformed” mother.\nHe was returned to Ms S a year later, with severe setbacks. She did everything that she could for this boy. Bit, when the state took him back again, she was done. Eventually, her remaining kids aged out of the system.\nAnyway, long ass story. Please forgive me for this. I’m just thinking about the little girl from this story and hoping that she lands in the lap of a Ms S in a special creaky rocking chair and comes to know comfort from a truly caring person and never has to be returned to an uncaring and abusive ”mother”.\nRIP Ms S for being the only real mom to many kids and for being a very special Grandmom to my kids . Never forgotten and always remembered.",
">\n\nCool story man. She sounds like a fantastic person",
">\n\nI swear i think i live next to this woman... Always screaming and swearing at her kids at the top of her lungs...",
">\n\nCall cps. Lived in a similar situation awhile back. I was afraid to call, wish I would be called earlier looking back at it.",
">\n\nDealt with CPS as a child growing up. They don’t care. My parents would have gone to jail had i been an animal and they were just as abusive. Especially if the child has no other family nearby to take em.",
">\n\nSounds awful for you. Im really sorry. As far as CPS goes I didn’t know what else do to, any ideas in case I find myself in a similar situation?\nNot too long after I called they moved out in the middle of the night and left their dog behind. Wish they would have left the kids wouldve adopted them too. \nHope you’re doing good now internet stranger.",
">\n\nShe obviously can't be trusted with her child, but I hope she gets the help that she clearly needs.",
">\n\nShe obviously hates the child and doesn't know how to take care of it so it should be taken and given to somebody who can take care of it and appreciate it. \nIt really makes me sick that there's people out there that struggle to get pregnant and want so desperately to have babies... And then you have this woman who decides to use her baby like a football. 🙄",
">\n\nYeah I hear kangaroos will throw their babies out to escape",
">\n\nI’m not advocating for violence, but the blunt end of a shingler’s hatchet works wonders as an attitude-correction tool.",
">\n\nThat's very Walmart of her",
">\n\ndead kid walking\nmom will get a slap on the wrist, at some point the courts will agree to a reunification plan, mom gets kid back\nmom and her boyfriend beat kid to death after starving it and abusing it for it's short miserable life",
">\n\nThat is such an extremely disgusting act to do. Baby deserves better than that.",
">\n\nSomeone is about to lose her parental rights.",
">\n\nI really wish I never clicked on this post. Not everyone is fit to be a parent.",
">\n\nThe charges aren’t severe enough. “Endangering the welfare?” A kick from an adult can kill a one year old baby…\nShe needs to go to prison for good.",
">\n\nI expect a lot of stories like this over the next decade as abortion restrictions lead to people who aren't prepared for kids to become parents.",
">\n\nCan we not link everything that and instead focus on the fact this a shitty person instead?",
">\n\nok and abortion reduces the number of shitty people having children. it is all related.",
">\n\nThere is no guarantee shitty people would go about it. They still have to want to do it during a very limited window.",
">\n\nJust pure numbers, more abortions mean at least one less shitty person having kids",
">\n\nJust read the article, I hope the baby is safe, taken out of her custody permanently, and this vile bitch is spayed like a stray dog and thrown into jail for 5-7 years. (I'm aware that won't happen) Fucking worst type of human. Disgusting and reprehensible behavior.",
">\n\nWatch the downfall of Mankind: Go to r/publicfreakout search \"WalMart\"... \"Waffle House\", \"MacDonald's\" and \"Starbucks\" will suffice also.",
">\n\nI can't be the only who thinks it's interesting as a society we have to take have qualifications for certain jobs but to be a parent.. fuck it, you don't need training at all.. seems a little fucked up",
">\n\nThere are evil assholes in this thread saying that people have a god-given right to have, kill, barbecue and eat their own children. They claim it's \"freedom from state over-reach\", but it means they want to kill, barbecue and eat children with zero consequences. Child abuse is common in this world. My own father beat me until I put him in the hospital and then never saw him again. These assholes want to make sure fathers are allowed to beat their children freely, and that any child who defends themself is punished. Fuck those people!\nThe state has a role in protecting children. And anyone against it is an enemy of decency.",
">\n\nPaterson, NJ. No surprise....",
">\n\nThe surprise is it’s not Florida.",
">\n\nAnother baby mama loses her child. Don't worry; she'll make more.",
">\n\nThat is not a mom, this is a piece of trash that let some guy rawdog her.",
">\n\nSpay her and lock her up for ten years. In no way should she ever be in a position to bring more children into the world to abuse. \nWhat hasn't been caught on camera in this woman's home? What emotional damage has already been inflicted prior that might not be able to be fixed?",
">\n\nLike the quokka, shoplifters are known to throw their offspring down to bait predators and increase the chances of escape.",
">\n\nPrison and throw away the key",
">\n\nBruh that’s a rough 23 😬",
">\n\nSo a typical Walmart outing",
">\n\nI think this is the appropriate use of the phrase \"that woman is a cunt\".",
">\n\nLast minute effort to clinch the Mother of the Year Award?",
">\n\nThe Quokka defense rarely works for humans.",
">\n\nSo… another normal day at any American Walmart then?",
">\n\nFrankly the supreme court really messed us all up. But what we have here is someone that is obviously to unstable to be a parent.",
">\n\nWould be really hard to watch this and not punch that cunt in the face repeatedly. Maybe a kick or two as well.",
">\n\nIf she’s willing to do that in public, I can’t even fathom what she would do to that child at home.",
">\n\nThey call this a Soccer mom.",
">\n\nThrow her trashy ass in jail",
">\n\nI read stuff like this and realize some people aren’t worthy of living. Hope the kid turns out alright because she’s not worthy of anything.",
">\n\nThe cycle continues for that family. Always remember you can be the one to change things but it takes patience which I think is something that should be stressed a lot more but isn't. If you don't have patience then you won't be able to deal with a screaming 1-year-old. It's that simple.",
">\n\n\"Kick the baby!\" - Kyle Broflovski",
">\n\nThis is a horrifically damaged person. In no way do I excuse her abuse of this poor little baby, though.",
">\n\nYes, yes, bad mother, poor child and all that. Clearly this lady has some issues and very likely needs professional psychiatric help. Or maybe she's just a narcissistic, entitled asshole. Either way she should've never been saddled with a child.",
">\n\ni wish you weren't being downvoted, because obviously this woman has some issues, and the age of the child indicates that it could be postpartum depression, which is not nothing. or, like you said, she could just be an asshole. \nscreaming and punching a wall because a baby was crying? that is definitely not normal. obviously it's horrible that the baby has been abused, and thankfully it is physically okay from this assault, but the mom obviously needs help.",
">\n\nYeah, people in this thread are clamoring for her to be thrown in jail but that really isnt gonna solve anything (shed probably come out worse).\nShes clearly not all there.",
">\n\nand i'm getting downvoted for saying she needs help, lol what.",
">\n\nYou're being down voted for worrying about the wrong person. The child is the one that needs compassion. The abusers needs are less important.",
">\n\nMost Walmart sentence ever.",
">\n\nI obviously know nothing of this woman and her history but uncharacteristic rage and unfortunately in some cases violent outbursts can be a sign of postpartum depression. Hormones can do crazy things.",
">\n\nYou and her both need to walk into traffic",
">\n\nSeems like a solid way to deal with mental illness? Postpartum depression is a very real thing and can make people act in uncharacteristic ways.",
">\n\nQueue up the Janes Addiction",
">\n\nSay what you mean.",
">\n\nIt’s right there ^",
">\n\nI guess you got too embarrassed or downvoted and deleted it right after that comment eh?",
">\n\nNope. It’s all right there still.",
">\n\nIt says deleted clear as day, but alright. I’ll just look up the edits because I’m curious.",
">\n\nNothing was deleted by me and still shows so 🤷🏻♂️",
">\n\nThis isn’t fucking news Jesus Christ",
">\n\nAm I the only one whose second thought after “how can you do that to your baby” was “why is this article especially the headline putting shoplifting on the same level with doing that to your baby?”\nI’m not one of those people who thinks shoplifting is cool or whatever but…this is some really blatant “arson, murder, and jaywalking” stuff.",
">\n\nHow is the headline putting the crimes on the same level? It's literally just the events that happened, a mom who was shoplifting kicked her baby after being caught. The headline is not trying to equate assaulting a baby with shoplifting.",
">\n\nIt mentioned the shoplifting before kicking the baby (really burying the lede there).",
">\n\nBecause it happened during a confrontation with security guards.",
">\n\nIsn’t shopping at Walmart in itself shoplifting?",
">\n\nI can't imagine that the others in that room would have a very different story. Let's hear your defense of this woman's actions.",
">\n\nBecause at the moment, that's what makes the most sense given the information at hand.\nYou, on the other hand, are going exactly the opposite direction. You're essentially blaming the police without any evidence.\nHow about we all wait for now information before passing any judgement on anyone?",
">\n\nLook back and point to the statement that “blames police” for me.\nOf course it’s the “information at hand”; they have a vested interest in making it available.\nI’m literally saying “you only have one side of the argument” and you (and many others) are downvoting for even suggesting that very thing.",
">\n\n\nWhy give police the benefit of the doubt?\nWhy give the police version the benefit of the doubt?\n\nStating that twice really makes you look like you're saying the police are the problem, here. The police weren't involved at the start. The article says they were called later. Have you reason to doubt that part of the story? Do you think they were there from the start and that they made her kick the baby? Or maybe that a cop did that and they are trying to blame it on her to absolve themselves? In front of the witnesses at the scene? It's a leap that didn't make sense to me. Unless you have more information than is in the article...\nI find the information in the article, as presented, a reasonable place to start. If I see more coming out of this in coming days that showed the police did something wrong, I'll most certainly consider what's reported then.",
">\n\n“Believe police versions” is what you’re saying.\nAt least be honest.",
">\n\nOne of the few articles that made me say “wtf”. Poor child.",
">\n\nSounds like she was under the influence of some drug. 😢",
">\n\nIt will only get worse as more and more unwanted children are born. Thanks supreme court!",
">\n\nSo glad this happened where it could be caught on camera and police were involved so this child can be take away!",
">\n\nI hate to say this, but that baby will probably die if the state does nothing.\nI hope they both get the help they need.",
">\n\nThere are many people in this thread committed to making sure the state is never allowed to stop child abuse. They support parental rights to kill, barbecue and eat their offspring in broad day light and nobody should even be allowed to mention that it's unsightly to eat dismembered children in the park. Those who mention that child abuse is bad will just be told that millions of dead children on yearly basis is worth it as long as it stops the state from overreaching itself once a century.",
">\n\nWhat the fuck is wrong with America, I feel like read shit like this every single day",
">\n\nIt’s because an awful lot of people are indeed, absolute trash. Wife working in retail has been an eye opener on just how many arrogant psychopathic mouth breathing, lazy, careless and vindictive people there are out there.\nYesterday a grown woman urinated on the floor of her store as part of throwing a tantrum because something was out of stock. \nSo many people just waste space in this world.",
">\n\nThe fuck man thats just unbelievable, I work in customer service as well and sympathize with you and your wife.",
">\n\nWell, I guess we know where that baby gets its shopping skills from. Hopefully it won't also inherit a penchant for kicking and punching walls... but only time will tell",
">\n\nThat baby was just saved. 🙏"
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"That website is giving my browser cancer so here's the text for anyone else who can't get it to load properly.\n\nTETERBORO — A mother kicked her baby daughter and sent the child careening across the floor after shoplifting from Walmart, according to police.\nJamira McDaniel, 23, of Paterson, was caught stealing at the supercenter in Teterboro by Walmart theft protection personnel on Tuesday, Moonachie Police Lt. Jeff Napolitano confirmed to New Jersey 101.5.\nMcDaniel was with her 1-year-old girl and the child's aunt.\nAfter she was taken to the store's security office, McDaniel placed the baby girl on the ground and kicked her in the back, Napolitano said. The toddler was sent across the floor and into the security office.\nAccording to Napolitano, the incident was caught on security cameras. He said video of the kick was turned over to Bergen County court but was not yet publicly available.\nThe theft protection workers then picked up the inconsolable child, handed her to McDaniel's sister, and called the police.\n\"McDaniel, upset by the girl who was now screaming and crying while being held by her aunt, began punching walls and yelling for the baby to stop crying,\" Napolitano explained. \"McDaniel also grabbed the baby and began to shake her while she was being held by her aunt.\"\nMoonachie cops soon arrived at the store and called an ambulance to evaluate the baby. Fortunately, first responders found the child was uninjured.\nThe mother is charged with endangering the welfare of a child, assault, shoplifting, and criminal mischief, according to Napolitano.\nMcDaniel was sent to Bergen County jail, which is where she remains as of Wednesday evening. The aunt was not charged and the child was given to family members.\n\nGod help that poor baby.",
">\n\nSome people really need to not have kids",
">\n\nMore people should have abortions. If someone cannot or doesn’t want to raise a child abortion should be the first choice. Bringing children into this world only for them to suffer is awful. So many wind up in the foster system and no one adopts them then they age out. Then you have adults who have no family or resources and continue to suffer. \nAnytime someone says abortion is bad and they should just birth the child and give it up for adoption should be required to take one of those children into their homes. \nCausing unwavering suffering of another living being is immoral.",
">\n\nI absolutely agree but there is also a large subset of people that WANT to have kids but are still completely awful parents.",
">\n\nHence, the reverse abortion! A simple way to solve these issues",
">\n\nWhat's a reverse abortion? Shoving the child back up the coochie and into the uterus?? \nMaybe I'm just super dumb today and drank too much or too little coffee, but I really don't know what a reverse abortion would be. \nAm I going to feel really stupid when you tell me? If so, that's ok, just tell me anyway, I'm used to feeling stupid.",
">\n\nInstead of aborting babies, abort the parents",
">\n\nCan you legally abort a baby after 18 years?",
">\n\nSometimes I ask my mom if she would feel comfortable having a 124th trimester abortion. My brother is not working out.",
">\n\nReading that article, it sounds like being a shoplifter is the best thing about her.",
">\n\nWhen my kids were little I found it almost impossible to read articles like this. They would stick with me for days or weeks. \nI really hope that baby ends up in a loving home because game fucking over for mom.",
">\n\nI have a 1½‐year-old and reading this makes me want to cry.",
">\n\nSame. I just can’t read anything like this, it’s so horrifying. And I just hold my kiddo and cry and then be sad I can’t love all the babies and protect them all. \nKids are just so freaking pure and good and they just want to be loved and safe like that’s it man. How could you do something to something so innocent?",
">\n\nReading your comment, in contrast to OP’s horror inducing title, legit just brought a tear to my eye. Makes me hug my kiddos extra just thinking about it!",
">\n\nIf she kicks and shakes the baby in public, I can’t imagine what she does to that poor child at home. Disgusting woman.",
">\n\nAbortion should be legal so we can make sure this woman never existed.",
">\n\nWe should be able to abort the mother in this instance.",
">\n\nThat’s… that’s what he just inferred",
">\n\nDoesn't hurt to drive the point home",
">\n\nYou see horrible parenting in a walmart any day, but this is is, I think, the worst I've heard of. I hope she doesn't get that poor kid back.",
">\n\nUnfortunately, in this circumstance, it's better for her to do this shit in public and get caught so the baby (and other possible kids) gets taken away. If that's what she does in public, imagine what she does behind closed doors.",
">\n\nHoly fuck, Adblock on Firefox shows 450+ blocked on that website alone???",
">\n\nNow do you see why everyone on reddit is losing their mind over the news that Chrome is preventing ad block.\nIf you haven't switched to Firefox or something else, you might want to start test driving a few browsers because good LORD you have no idea how bad things are without ad block.",
">\n\nPiece of trash. Even reading the article boils my blood.",
">\n\nDefinitely r/iamatotalpieceofshit material",
">\n\nThank god she showed her true abusive colours while on camera and in front of everyone. Now the kid will be protected from her and serious injury/trauma prevented.",
">\n\nI hope this baby finds her way to a loving and caring mother, and I hope this lady gets the mental help she needs.",
">\n\nYea and maybe my mom will quit drinking and my dad will come home.",
">\n\nHope is sometimes all we have",
">\n\nMy best friend’s mom was a foster parent for many years. She was well known by DFACS for taking in their most difficult cases, children of severe abuse, often arriving in the middle of the night with nothing more than the clothes on their backs. She didn’t have a lot of money, bit she somehow made due for all of the kids. She was practical and no nonsense, pragmatic and loving. I learned a lot about how to stretch a dollar to make struggle meals from her. Full bellies and full hearts.\nWhen I was a new mother, she was my lifeline. I knew nothing about babies and she patiently taught me what I needed to know. She talked me through my son’s first bath over the telephone, I was exhausted from lack of sleep because my baby had severe colic. And, Ms S would gather him into her arms and rock him in her special creaky rocking chair. And, he fell into a blissful and untroubled sleep. She was truly a baby whisperer. \nHer heart and soul were devoted to children who were victims of horrific abuse. She took in a toddler who had spent much of his young life living in a cage. He was non verbal and unable to walk. After several years, she brought him up to nearly his age level. He was walking and verbal. The state stepped in and returned him to his newly “reformed” mother.\nHe was returned to Ms S a year later, with severe setbacks. She did everything that she could for this boy. Bit, when the state took him back again, she was done. Eventually, her remaining kids aged out of the system.\nAnyway, long ass story. Please forgive me for this. I’m just thinking about the little girl from this story and hoping that she lands in the lap of a Ms S in a special creaky rocking chair and comes to know comfort from a truly caring person and never has to be returned to an uncaring and abusive ”mother”.\nRIP Ms S for being the only real mom to many kids and for being a very special Grandmom to my kids . Never forgotten and always remembered.",
">\n\nCool story man. She sounds like a fantastic person",
">\n\nI swear i think i live next to this woman... Always screaming and swearing at her kids at the top of her lungs...",
">\n\nCall cps. Lived in a similar situation awhile back. I was afraid to call, wish I would be called earlier looking back at it.",
">\n\nDealt with CPS as a child growing up. They don’t care. My parents would have gone to jail had i been an animal and they were just as abusive. Especially if the child has no other family nearby to take em.",
">\n\nSounds awful for you. Im really sorry. As far as CPS goes I didn’t know what else do to, any ideas in case I find myself in a similar situation?\nNot too long after I called they moved out in the middle of the night and left their dog behind. Wish they would have left the kids wouldve adopted them too. \nHope you’re doing good now internet stranger.",
">\n\nShe obviously can't be trusted with her child, but I hope she gets the help that she clearly needs.",
">\n\nShe obviously hates the child and doesn't know how to take care of it so it should be taken and given to somebody who can take care of it and appreciate it. \nIt really makes me sick that there's people out there that struggle to get pregnant and want so desperately to have babies... And then you have this woman who decides to use her baby like a football. 🙄",
">\n\nYeah I hear kangaroos will throw their babies out to escape",
">\n\nI’m not advocating for violence, but the blunt end of a shingler’s hatchet works wonders as an attitude-correction tool.",
">\n\nThat's very Walmart of her",
">\n\ndead kid walking\nmom will get a slap on the wrist, at some point the courts will agree to a reunification plan, mom gets kid back\nmom and her boyfriend beat kid to death after starving it and abusing it for it's short miserable life",
">\n\nThat is such an extremely disgusting act to do. Baby deserves better than that.",
">\n\nSomeone is about to lose her parental rights.",
">\n\nI really wish I never clicked on this post. Not everyone is fit to be a parent.",
">\n\nThe charges aren’t severe enough. “Endangering the welfare?” A kick from an adult can kill a one year old baby…\nShe needs to go to prison for good.",
">\n\nI expect a lot of stories like this over the next decade as abortion restrictions lead to people who aren't prepared for kids to become parents.",
">\n\nCan we not link everything that and instead focus on the fact this a shitty person instead?",
">\n\nok and abortion reduces the number of shitty people having children. it is all related.",
">\n\nThere is no guarantee shitty people would go about it. They still have to want to do it during a very limited window.",
">\n\nJust pure numbers, more abortions mean at least one less shitty person having kids",
">\n\nJust read the article, I hope the baby is safe, taken out of her custody permanently, and this vile bitch is spayed like a stray dog and thrown into jail for 5-7 years. (I'm aware that won't happen) Fucking worst type of human. Disgusting and reprehensible behavior.",
">\n\nWatch the downfall of Mankind: Go to r/publicfreakout search \"WalMart\"... \"Waffle House\", \"MacDonald's\" and \"Starbucks\" will suffice also.",
">\n\nI can't be the only who thinks it's interesting as a society we have to take have qualifications for certain jobs but to be a parent.. fuck it, you don't need training at all.. seems a little fucked up",
">\n\nThere are evil assholes in this thread saying that people have a god-given right to have, kill, barbecue and eat their own children. They claim it's \"freedom from state over-reach\", but it means they want to kill, barbecue and eat children with zero consequences. Child abuse is common in this world. My own father beat me until I put him in the hospital and then never saw him again. These assholes want to make sure fathers are allowed to beat their children freely, and that any child who defends themself is punished. Fuck those people!\nThe state has a role in protecting children. And anyone against it is an enemy of decency.",
">\n\nPaterson, NJ. No surprise....",
">\n\nThe surprise is it’s not Florida.",
">\n\nAnother baby mama loses her child. Don't worry; she'll make more.",
">\n\nThat is not a mom, this is a piece of trash that let some guy rawdog her.",
">\n\nSpay her and lock her up for ten years. In no way should she ever be in a position to bring more children into the world to abuse. \nWhat hasn't been caught on camera in this woman's home? What emotional damage has already been inflicted prior that might not be able to be fixed?",
">\n\nLike the quokka, shoplifters are known to throw their offspring down to bait predators and increase the chances of escape.",
">\n\nPrison and throw away the key",
">\n\nBruh that’s a rough 23 😬",
">\n\nSo a typical Walmart outing",
">\n\nI think this is the appropriate use of the phrase \"that woman is a cunt\".",
">\n\nLast minute effort to clinch the Mother of the Year Award?",
">\n\nThe Quokka defense rarely works for humans.",
">\n\nSo… another normal day at any American Walmart then?",
">\n\nFrankly the supreme court really messed us all up. But what we have here is someone that is obviously to unstable to be a parent.",
">\n\nWould be really hard to watch this and not punch that cunt in the face repeatedly. Maybe a kick or two as well.",
">\n\nIf she’s willing to do that in public, I can’t even fathom what she would do to that child at home.",
">\n\nThey call this a Soccer mom.",
">\n\nThrow her trashy ass in jail",
">\n\nI read stuff like this and realize some people aren’t worthy of living. Hope the kid turns out alright because she’s not worthy of anything.",
">\n\nThe cycle continues for that family. Always remember you can be the one to change things but it takes patience which I think is something that should be stressed a lot more but isn't. If you don't have patience then you won't be able to deal with a screaming 1-year-old. It's that simple.",
">\n\n\"Kick the baby!\" - Kyle Broflovski",
">\n\nThis is a horrifically damaged person. In no way do I excuse her abuse of this poor little baby, though.",
">\n\nYes, yes, bad mother, poor child and all that. Clearly this lady has some issues and very likely needs professional psychiatric help. Or maybe she's just a narcissistic, entitled asshole. Either way she should've never been saddled with a child.",
">\n\ni wish you weren't being downvoted, because obviously this woman has some issues, and the age of the child indicates that it could be postpartum depression, which is not nothing. or, like you said, she could just be an asshole. \nscreaming and punching a wall because a baby was crying? that is definitely not normal. obviously it's horrible that the baby has been abused, and thankfully it is physically okay from this assault, but the mom obviously needs help.",
">\n\nYeah, people in this thread are clamoring for her to be thrown in jail but that really isnt gonna solve anything (shed probably come out worse).\nShes clearly not all there.",
">\n\nand i'm getting downvoted for saying she needs help, lol what.",
">\n\nYou're being down voted for worrying about the wrong person. The child is the one that needs compassion. The abusers needs are less important.",
">\n\nMost Walmart sentence ever.",
">\n\nI obviously know nothing of this woman and her history but uncharacteristic rage and unfortunately in some cases violent outbursts can be a sign of postpartum depression. Hormones can do crazy things.",
">\n\nYou and her both need to walk into traffic",
">\n\nSeems like a solid way to deal with mental illness? Postpartum depression is a very real thing and can make people act in uncharacteristic ways.",
">\n\nQueue up the Janes Addiction",
">\n\nSay what you mean.",
">\n\nIt’s right there ^",
">\n\nI guess you got too embarrassed or downvoted and deleted it right after that comment eh?",
">\n\nNope. It’s all right there still.",
">\n\nIt says deleted clear as day, but alright. I’ll just look up the edits because I’m curious.",
">\n\nNothing was deleted by me and still shows so 🤷🏻♂️",
">\n\nThis isn’t fucking news Jesus Christ",
">\n\nAm I the only one whose second thought after “how can you do that to your baby” was “why is this article especially the headline putting shoplifting on the same level with doing that to your baby?”\nI’m not one of those people who thinks shoplifting is cool or whatever but…this is some really blatant “arson, murder, and jaywalking” stuff.",
">\n\nHow is the headline putting the crimes on the same level? It's literally just the events that happened, a mom who was shoplifting kicked her baby after being caught. The headline is not trying to equate assaulting a baby with shoplifting.",
">\n\nIt mentioned the shoplifting before kicking the baby (really burying the lede there).",
">\n\nBecause it happened during a confrontation with security guards.",
">\n\nIsn’t shopping at Walmart in itself shoplifting?",
">\n\nI can't imagine that the others in that room would have a very different story. Let's hear your defense of this woman's actions.",
">\n\nBecause at the moment, that's what makes the most sense given the information at hand.\nYou, on the other hand, are going exactly the opposite direction. You're essentially blaming the police without any evidence.\nHow about we all wait for now information before passing any judgement on anyone?",
">\n\nLook back and point to the statement that “blames police” for me.\nOf course it’s the “information at hand”; they have a vested interest in making it available.\nI’m literally saying “you only have one side of the argument” and you (and many others) are downvoting for even suggesting that very thing.",
">\n\n\nWhy give police the benefit of the doubt?\nWhy give the police version the benefit of the doubt?\n\nStating that twice really makes you look like you're saying the police are the problem, here. The police weren't involved at the start. The article says they were called later. Have you reason to doubt that part of the story? Do you think they were there from the start and that they made her kick the baby? Or maybe that a cop did that and they are trying to blame it on her to absolve themselves? In front of the witnesses at the scene? It's a leap that didn't make sense to me. Unless you have more information than is in the article...\nI find the information in the article, as presented, a reasonable place to start. If I see more coming out of this in coming days that showed the police did something wrong, I'll most certainly consider what's reported then.",
">\n\n“Believe police versions” is what you’re saying.\nAt least be honest.",
">\n\nOne of the few articles that made me say “wtf”. Poor child.",
">\n\nSounds like she was under the influence of some drug. 😢",
">\n\nIt will only get worse as more and more unwanted children are born. Thanks supreme court!",
">\n\nSo glad this happened where it could be caught on camera and police were involved so this child can be take away!",
">\n\nI hate to say this, but that baby will probably die if the state does nothing.\nI hope they both get the help they need.",
">\n\nThere are many people in this thread committed to making sure the state is never allowed to stop child abuse. They support parental rights to kill, barbecue and eat their offspring in broad day light and nobody should even be allowed to mention that it's unsightly to eat dismembered children in the park. Those who mention that child abuse is bad will just be told that millions of dead children on yearly basis is worth it as long as it stops the state from overreaching itself once a century.",
">\n\nWhat the fuck is wrong with America, I feel like read shit like this every single day",
">\n\nIt’s because an awful lot of people are indeed, absolute trash. Wife working in retail has been an eye opener on just how many arrogant psychopathic mouth breathing, lazy, careless and vindictive people there are out there.\nYesterday a grown woman urinated on the floor of her store as part of throwing a tantrum because something was out of stock. \nSo many people just waste space in this world.",
">\n\nThe fuck man thats just unbelievable, I work in customer service as well and sympathize with you and your wife.",
">\n\nWell, I guess we know where that baby gets its shopping skills from. Hopefully it won't also inherit a penchant for kicking and punching walls... but only time will tell",
">\n\nThat baby was just saved. 🙏",
">\n\nMaybe it was just given to the family. They likely will treat the kid in a similar manner behaviour like that is learned. Also she was there shoplifting with her sister so that adds to my belief the kid is likely still in danger."
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7 years of asset protection. I watched a woman try and beat police with her baby. One used the kid in a stroller as a battering ram with the poor baby’s head whipping back and forth. Stashing merchandise under the baby then yelling and screaming not to arrest them because they’re a mother. It was sick. The number of people using babies and children to steal or to try to get out of being arrested was appalling and I hated them each time I had to deal with it.
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"That website is giving my browser cancer so here's the text for anyone else who can't get it to load properly.\n\nTETERBORO — A mother kicked her baby daughter and sent the child careening across the floor after shoplifting from Walmart, according to police.\nJamira McDaniel, 23, of Paterson, was caught stealing at the supercenter in Teterboro by Walmart theft protection personnel on Tuesday, Moonachie Police Lt. Jeff Napolitano confirmed to New Jersey 101.5.\nMcDaniel was with her 1-year-old girl and the child's aunt.\nAfter she was taken to the store's security office, McDaniel placed the baby girl on the ground and kicked her in the back, Napolitano said. The toddler was sent across the floor and into the security office.\nAccording to Napolitano, the incident was caught on security cameras. He said video of the kick was turned over to Bergen County court but was not yet publicly available.\nThe theft protection workers then picked up the inconsolable child, handed her to McDaniel's sister, and called the police.\n\"McDaniel, upset by the girl who was now screaming and crying while being held by her aunt, began punching walls and yelling for the baby to stop crying,\" Napolitano explained. \"McDaniel also grabbed the baby and began to shake her while she was being held by her aunt.\"\nMoonachie cops soon arrived at the store and called an ambulance to evaluate the baby. Fortunately, first responders found the child was uninjured.\nThe mother is charged with endangering the welfare of a child, assault, shoplifting, and criminal mischief, according to Napolitano.\nMcDaniel was sent to Bergen County jail, which is where she remains as of Wednesday evening. The aunt was not charged and the child was given to family members.\n\nGod help that poor baby.",
">\n\nSome people really need to not have kids",
">\n\nMore people should have abortions. If someone cannot or doesn’t want to raise a child abortion should be the first choice. Bringing children into this world only for them to suffer is awful. So many wind up in the foster system and no one adopts them then they age out. Then you have adults who have no family or resources and continue to suffer. \nAnytime someone says abortion is bad and they should just birth the child and give it up for adoption should be required to take one of those children into their homes. \nCausing unwavering suffering of another living being is immoral.",
">\n\nI absolutely agree but there is also a large subset of people that WANT to have kids but are still completely awful parents.",
">\n\nHence, the reverse abortion! A simple way to solve these issues",
">\n\nWhat's a reverse abortion? Shoving the child back up the coochie and into the uterus?? \nMaybe I'm just super dumb today and drank too much or too little coffee, but I really don't know what a reverse abortion would be. \nAm I going to feel really stupid when you tell me? If so, that's ok, just tell me anyway, I'm used to feeling stupid.",
">\n\nInstead of aborting babies, abort the parents",
">\n\nCan you legally abort a baby after 18 years?",
">\n\nSometimes I ask my mom if she would feel comfortable having a 124th trimester abortion. My brother is not working out.",
">\n\nReading that article, it sounds like being a shoplifter is the best thing about her.",
">\n\nWhen my kids were little I found it almost impossible to read articles like this. They would stick with me for days or weeks. \nI really hope that baby ends up in a loving home because game fucking over for mom.",
">\n\nI have a 1½‐year-old and reading this makes me want to cry.",
">\n\nSame. I just can’t read anything like this, it’s so horrifying. And I just hold my kiddo and cry and then be sad I can’t love all the babies and protect them all. \nKids are just so freaking pure and good and they just want to be loved and safe like that’s it man. How could you do something to something so innocent?",
">\n\nReading your comment, in contrast to OP’s horror inducing title, legit just brought a tear to my eye. Makes me hug my kiddos extra just thinking about it!",
">\n\nIf she kicks and shakes the baby in public, I can’t imagine what she does to that poor child at home. Disgusting woman.",
">\n\nAbortion should be legal so we can make sure this woman never existed.",
">\n\nWe should be able to abort the mother in this instance.",
">\n\nThat’s… that’s what he just inferred",
">\n\nDoesn't hurt to drive the point home",
">\n\nYou see horrible parenting in a walmart any day, but this is is, I think, the worst I've heard of. I hope she doesn't get that poor kid back.",
">\n\nUnfortunately, in this circumstance, it's better for her to do this shit in public and get caught so the baby (and other possible kids) gets taken away. If that's what she does in public, imagine what she does behind closed doors.",
">\n\nHoly fuck, Adblock on Firefox shows 450+ blocked on that website alone???",
">\n\nNow do you see why everyone on reddit is losing their mind over the news that Chrome is preventing ad block.\nIf you haven't switched to Firefox or something else, you might want to start test driving a few browsers because good LORD you have no idea how bad things are without ad block.",
">\n\nPiece of trash. Even reading the article boils my blood.",
">\n\nDefinitely r/iamatotalpieceofshit material",
">\n\nThank god she showed her true abusive colours while on camera and in front of everyone. Now the kid will be protected from her and serious injury/trauma prevented.",
">\n\nI hope this baby finds her way to a loving and caring mother, and I hope this lady gets the mental help she needs.",
">\n\nYea and maybe my mom will quit drinking and my dad will come home.",
">\n\nHope is sometimes all we have",
">\n\nMy best friend’s mom was a foster parent for many years. She was well known by DFACS for taking in their most difficult cases, children of severe abuse, often arriving in the middle of the night with nothing more than the clothes on their backs. She didn’t have a lot of money, bit she somehow made due for all of the kids. She was practical and no nonsense, pragmatic and loving. I learned a lot about how to stretch a dollar to make struggle meals from her. Full bellies and full hearts.\nWhen I was a new mother, she was my lifeline. I knew nothing about babies and she patiently taught me what I needed to know. She talked me through my son’s first bath over the telephone, I was exhausted from lack of sleep because my baby had severe colic. And, Ms S would gather him into her arms and rock him in her special creaky rocking chair. And, he fell into a blissful and untroubled sleep. She was truly a baby whisperer. \nHer heart and soul were devoted to children who were victims of horrific abuse. She took in a toddler who had spent much of his young life living in a cage. He was non verbal and unable to walk. After several years, she brought him up to nearly his age level. He was walking and verbal. The state stepped in and returned him to his newly “reformed” mother.\nHe was returned to Ms S a year later, with severe setbacks. She did everything that she could for this boy. Bit, when the state took him back again, she was done. Eventually, her remaining kids aged out of the system.\nAnyway, long ass story. Please forgive me for this. I’m just thinking about the little girl from this story and hoping that she lands in the lap of a Ms S in a special creaky rocking chair and comes to know comfort from a truly caring person and never has to be returned to an uncaring and abusive ”mother”.\nRIP Ms S for being the only real mom to many kids and for being a very special Grandmom to my kids . Never forgotten and always remembered.",
">\n\nCool story man. She sounds like a fantastic person",
">\n\nI swear i think i live next to this woman... Always screaming and swearing at her kids at the top of her lungs...",
">\n\nCall cps. Lived in a similar situation awhile back. I was afraid to call, wish I would be called earlier looking back at it.",
">\n\nDealt with CPS as a child growing up. They don’t care. My parents would have gone to jail had i been an animal and they were just as abusive. Especially if the child has no other family nearby to take em.",
">\n\nSounds awful for you. Im really sorry. As far as CPS goes I didn’t know what else do to, any ideas in case I find myself in a similar situation?\nNot too long after I called they moved out in the middle of the night and left their dog behind. Wish they would have left the kids wouldve adopted them too. \nHope you’re doing good now internet stranger.",
">\n\nShe obviously can't be trusted with her child, but I hope she gets the help that she clearly needs.",
">\n\nShe obviously hates the child and doesn't know how to take care of it so it should be taken and given to somebody who can take care of it and appreciate it. \nIt really makes me sick that there's people out there that struggle to get pregnant and want so desperately to have babies... And then you have this woman who decides to use her baby like a football. 🙄",
">\n\nYeah I hear kangaroos will throw their babies out to escape",
">\n\nI’m not advocating for violence, but the blunt end of a shingler’s hatchet works wonders as an attitude-correction tool.",
">\n\nThat's very Walmart of her",
">\n\ndead kid walking\nmom will get a slap on the wrist, at some point the courts will agree to a reunification plan, mom gets kid back\nmom and her boyfriend beat kid to death after starving it and abusing it for it's short miserable life",
">\n\nThat is such an extremely disgusting act to do. Baby deserves better than that.",
">\n\nSomeone is about to lose her parental rights.",
">\n\nI really wish I never clicked on this post. Not everyone is fit to be a parent.",
">\n\nThe charges aren’t severe enough. “Endangering the welfare?” A kick from an adult can kill a one year old baby…\nShe needs to go to prison for good.",
">\n\nI expect a lot of stories like this over the next decade as abortion restrictions lead to people who aren't prepared for kids to become parents.",
">\n\nCan we not link everything that and instead focus on the fact this a shitty person instead?",
">\n\nok and abortion reduces the number of shitty people having children. it is all related.",
">\n\nThere is no guarantee shitty people would go about it. They still have to want to do it during a very limited window.",
">\n\nJust pure numbers, more abortions mean at least one less shitty person having kids",
">\n\nJust read the article, I hope the baby is safe, taken out of her custody permanently, and this vile bitch is spayed like a stray dog and thrown into jail for 5-7 years. (I'm aware that won't happen) Fucking worst type of human. Disgusting and reprehensible behavior.",
">\n\nWatch the downfall of Mankind: Go to r/publicfreakout search \"WalMart\"... \"Waffle House\", \"MacDonald's\" and \"Starbucks\" will suffice also.",
">\n\nI can't be the only who thinks it's interesting as a society we have to take have qualifications for certain jobs but to be a parent.. fuck it, you don't need training at all.. seems a little fucked up",
">\n\nThere are evil assholes in this thread saying that people have a god-given right to have, kill, barbecue and eat their own children. They claim it's \"freedom from state over-reach\", but it means they want to kill, barbecue and eat children with zero consequences. Child abuse is common in this world. My own father beat me until I put him in the hospital and then never saw him again. These assholes want to make sure fathers are allowed to beat their children freely, and that any child who defends themself is punished. Fuck those people!\nThe state has a role in protecting children. And anyone against it is an enemy of decency.",
">\n\nPaterson, NJ. No surprise....",
">\n\nThe surprise is it’s not Florida.",
">\n\nAnother baby mama loses her child. Don't worry; she'll make more.",
">\n\nThat is not a mom, this is a piece of trash that let some guy rawdog her.",
">\n\nSpay her and lock her up for ten years. In no way should she ever be in a position to bring more children into the world to abuse. \nWhat hasn't been caught on camera in this woman's home? What emotional damage has already been inflicted prior that might not be able to be fixed?",
">\n\nLike the quokka, shoplifters are known to throw their offspring down to bait predators and increase the chances of escape.",
">\n\nPrison and throw away the key",
">\n\nBruh that’s a rough 23 😬",
">\n\nSo a typical Walmart outing",
">\n\nI think this is the appropriate use of the phrase \"that woman is a cunt\".",
">\n\nLast minute effort to clinch the Mother of the Year Award?",
">\n\nThe Quokka defense rarely works for humans.",
">\n\nSo… another normal day at any American Walmart then?",
">\n\nFrankly the supreme court really messed us all up. But what we have here is someone that is obviously to unstable to be a parent.",
">\n\nWould be really hard to watch this and not punch that cunt in the face repeatedly. Maybe a kick or two as well.",
">\n\nIf she’s willing to do that in public, I can’t even fathom what she would do to that child at home.",
">\n\nThey call this a Soccer mom.",
">\n\nThrow her trashy ass in jail",
">\n\nI read stuff like this and realize some people aren’t worthy of living. Hope the kid turns out alright because she’s not worthy of anything.",
">\n\nThe cycle continues for that family. Always remember you can be the one to change things but it takes patience which I think is something that should be stressed a lot more but isn't. If you don't have patience then you won't be able to deal with a screaming 1-year-old. It's that simple.",
">\n\n\"Kick the baby!\" - Kyle Broflovski",
">\n\nThis is a horrifically damaged person. In no way do I excuse her abuse of this poor little baby, though.",
">\n\nYes, yes, bad mother, poor child and all that. Clearly this lady has some issues and very likely needs professional psychiatric help. Or maybe she's just a narcissistic, entitled asshole. Either way she should've never been saddled with a child.",
">\n\ni wish you weren't being downvoted, because obviously this woman has some issues, and the age of the child indicates that it could be postpartum depression, which is not nothing. or, like you said, she could just be an asshole. \nscreaming and punching a wall because a baby was crying? that is definitely not normal. obviously it's horrible that the baby has been abused, and thankfully it is physically okay from this assault, but the mom obviously needs help.",
">\n\nYeah, people in this thread are clamoring for her to be thrown in jail but that really isnt gonna solve anything (shed probably come out worse).\nShes clearly not all there.",
">\n\nand i'm getting downvoted for saying she needs help, lol what.",
">\n\nYou're being down voted for worrying about the wrong person. The child is the one that needs compassion. The abusers needs are less important.",
">\n\nMost Walmart sentence ever.",
">\n\nI obviously know nothing of this woman and her history but uncharacteristic rage and unfortunately in some cases violent outbursts can be a sign of postpartum depression. Hormones can do crazy things.",
">\n\nYou and her both need to walk into traffic",
">\n\nSeems like a solid way to deal with mental illness? Postpartum depression is a very real thing and can make people act in uncharacteristic ways.",
">\n\nQueue up the Janes Addiction",
">\n\nSay what you mean.",
">\n\nIt’s right there ^",
">\n\nI guess you got too embarrassed or downvoted and deleted it right after that comment eh?",
">\n\nNope. It’s all right there still.",
">\n\nIt says deleted clear as day, but alright. I’ll just look up the edits because I’m curious.",
">\n\nNothing was deleted by me and still shows so 🤷🏻♂️",
">\n\nThis isn’t fucking news Jesus Christ",
">\n\nAm I the only one whose second thought after “how can you do that to your baby” was “why is this article especially the headline putting shoplifting on the same level with doing that to your baby?”\nI’m not one of those people who thinks shoplifting is cool or whatever but…this is some really blatant “arson, murder, and jaywalking” stuff.",
">\n\nHow is the headline putting the crimes on the same level? It's literally just the events that happened, a mom who was shoplifting kicked her baby after being caught. The headline is not trying to equate assaulting a baby with shoplifting.",
">\n\nIt mentioned the shoplifting before kicking the baby (really burying the lede there).",
">\n\nBecause it happened during a confrontation with security guards.",
">\n\nIsn’t shopping at Walmart in itself shoplifting?",
">\n\nI can't imagine that the others in that room would have a very different story. Let's hear your defense of this woman's actions.",
">\n\nBecause at the moment, that's what makes the most sense given the information at hand.\nYou, on the other hand, are going exactly the opposite direction. You're essentially blaming the police without any evidence.\nHow about we all wait for now information before passing any judgement on anyone?",
">\n\nLook back and point to the statement that “blames police” for me.\nOf course it’s the “information at hand”; they have a vested interest in making it available.\nI’m literally saying “you only have one side of the argument” and you (and many others) are downvoting for even suggesting that very thing.",
">\n\n\nWhy give police the benefit of the doubt?\nWhy give the police version the benefit of the doubt?\n\nStating that twice really makes you look like you're saying the police are the problem, here. The police weren't involved at the start. The article says they were called later. Have you reason to doubt that part of the story? Do you think they were there from the start and that they made her kick the baby? Or maybe that a cop did that and they are trying to blame it on her to absolve themselves? In front of the witnesses at the scene? It's a leap that didn't make sense to me. Unless you have more information than is in the article...\nI find the information in the article, as presented, a reasonable place to start. If I see more coming out of this in coming days that showed the police did something wrong, I'll most certainly consider what's reported then.",
">\n\n“Believe police versions” is what you’re saying.\nAt least be honest.",
">\n\nOne of the few articles that made me say “wtf”. Poor child.",
">\n\nSounds like she was under the influence of some drug. 😢",
">\n\nIt will only get worse as more and more unwanted children are born. Thanks supreme court!",
">\n\nSo glad this happened where it could be caught on camera and police were involved so this child can be take away!",
">\n\nI hate to say this, but that baby will probably die if the state does nothing.\nI hope they both get the help they need.",
">\n\nThere are many people in this thread committed to making sure the state is never allowed to stop child abuse. They support parental rights to kill, barbecue and eat their offspring in broad day light and nobody should even be allowed to mention that it's unsightly to eat dismembered children in the park. Those who mention that child abuse is bad will just be told that millions of dead children on yearly basis is worth it as long as it stops the state from overreaching itself once a century.",
">\n\nWhat the fuck is wrong with America, I feel like read shit like this every single day",
">\n\nIt’s because an awful lot of people are indeed, absolute trash. Wife working in retail has been an eye opener on just how many arrogant psychopathic mouth breathing, lazy, careless and vindictive people there are out there.\nYesterday a grown woman urinated on the floor of her store as part of throwing a tantrum because something was out of stock. \nSo many people just waste space in this world.",
">\n\nThe fuck man thats just unbelievable, I work in customer service as well and sympathize with you and your wife.",
">\n\nWell, I guess we know where that baby gets its shopping skills from. Hopefully it won't also inherit a penchant for kicking and punching walls... but only time will tell",
">\n\nThat baby was just saved. 🙏",
">\n\nMaybe it was just given to the family. They likely will treat the kid in a similar manner behaviour like that is learned. Also she was there shoplifting with her sister so that adds to my belief the kid is likely still in danger.",
">\n\nThis was a hard read, go to jail."
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Was her baby's name Ike Broflovski?
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"That website is giving my browser cancer so here's the text for anyone else who can't get it to load properly.\n\nTETERBORO — A mother kicked her baby daughter and sent the child careening across the floor after shoplifting from Walmart, according to police.\nJamira McDaniel, 23, of Paterson, was caught stealing at the supercenter in Teterboro by Walmart theft protection personnel on Tuesday, Moonachie Police Lt. Jeff Napolitano confirmed to New Jersey 101.5.\nMcDaniel was with her 1-year-old girl and the child's aunt.\nAfter she was taken to the store's security office, McDaniel placed the baby girl on the ground and kicked her in the back, Napolitano said. The toddler was sent across the floor and into the security office.\nAccording to Napolitano, the incident was caught on security cameras. He said video of the kick was turned over to Bergen County court but was not yet publicly available.\nThe theft protection workers then picked up the inconsolable child, handed her to McDaniel's sister, and called the police.\n\"McDaniel, upset by the girl who was now screaming and crying while being held by her aunt, began punching walls and yelling for the baby to stop crying,\" Napolitano explained. \"McDaniel also grabbed the baby and began to shake her while she was being held by her aunt.\"\nMoonachie cops soon arrived at the store and called an ambulance to evaluate the baby. Fortunately, first responders found the child was uninjured.\nThe mother is charged with endangering the welfare of a child, assault, shoplifting, and criminal mischief, according to Napolitano.\nMcDaniel was sent to Bergen County jail, which is where she remains as of Wednesday evening. The aunt was not charged and the child was given to family members.\n\nGod help that poor baby.",
">\n\nSome people really need to not have kids",
">\n\nMore people should have abortions. If someone cannot or doesn’t want to raise a child abortion should be the first choice. Bringing children into this world only for them to suffer is awful. So many wind up in the foster system and no one adopts them then they age out. Then you have adults who have no family or resources and continue to suffer. \nAnytime someone says abortion is bad and they should just birth the child and give it up for adoption should be required to take one of those children into their homes. \nCausing unwavering suffering of another living being is immoral.",
">\n\nI absolutely agree but there is also a large subset of people that WANT to have kids but are still completely awful parents.",
">\n\nHence, the reverse abortion! A simple way to solve these issues",
">\n\nWhat's a reverse abortion? Shoving the child back up the coochie and into the uterus?? \nMaybe I'm just super dumb today and drank too much or too little coffee, but I really don't know what a reverse abortion would be. \nAm I going to feel really stupid when you tell me? If so, that's ok, just tell me anyway, I'm used to feeling stupid.",
">\n\nInstead of aborting babies, abort the parents",
">\n\nCan you legally abort a baby after 18 years?",
">\n\nSometimes I ask my mom if she would feel comfortable having a 124th trimester abortion. My brother is not working out.",
">\n\nReading that article, it sounds like being a shoplifter is the best thing about her.",
">\n\nWhen my kids were little I found it almost impossible to read articles like this. They would stick with me for days or weeks. \nI really hope that baby ends up in a loving home because game fucking over for mom.",
">\n\nI have a 1½‐year-old and reading this makes me want to cry.",
">\n\nSame. I just can’t read anything like this, it’s so horrifying. And I just hold my kiddo and cry and then be sad I can’t love all the babies and protect them all. \nKids are just so freaking pure and good and they just want to be loved and safe like that’s it man. How could you do something to something so innocent?",
">\n\nReading your comment, in contrast to OP’s horror inducing title, legit just brought a tear to my eye. Makes me hug my kiddos extra just thinking about it!",
">\n\nIf she kicks and shakes the baby in public, I can’t imagine what she does to that poor child at home. Disgusting woman.",
">\n\nAbortion should be legal so we can make sure this woman never existed.",
">\n\nWe should be able to abort the mother in this instance.",
">\n\nThat’s… that’s what he just inferred",
">\n\nDoesn't hurt to drive the point home",
">\n\nYou see horrible parenting in a walmart any day, but this is is, I think, the worst I've heard of. I hope she doesn't get that poor kid back.",
">\n\nUnfortunately, in this circumstance, it's better for her to do this shit in public and get caught so the baby (and other possible kids) gets taken away. If that's what she does in public, imagine what she does behind closed doors.",
">\n\nHoly fuck, Adblock on Firefox shows 450+ blocked on that website alone???",
">\n\nNow do you see why everyone on reddit is losing their mind over the news that Chrome is preventing ad block.\nIf you haven't switched to Firefox or something else, you might want to start test driving a few browsers because good LORD you have no idea how bad things are without ad block.",
">\n\nPiece of trash. Even reading the article boils my blood.",
">\n\nDefinitely r/iamatotalpieceofshit material",
">\n\nThank god she showed her true abusive colours while on camera and in front of everyone. Now the kid will be protected from her and serious injury/trauma prevented.",
">\n\nI hope this baby finds her way to a loving and caring mother, and I hope this lady gets the mental help she needs.",
">\n\nYea and maybe my mom will quit drinking and my dad will come home.",
">\n\nHope is sometimes all we have",
">\n\nMy best friend’s mom was a foster parent for many years. She was well known by DFACS for taking in their most difficult cases, children of severe abuse, often arriving in the middle of the night with nothing more than the clothes on their backs. She didn’t have a lot of money, bit she somehow made due for all of the kids. She was practical and no nonsense, pragmatic and loving. I learned a lot about how to stretch a dollar to make struggle meals from her. Full bellies and full hearts.\nWhen I was a new mother, she was my lifeline. I knew nothing about babies and she patiently taught me what I needed to know. She talked me through my son’s first bath over the telephone, I was exhausted from lack of sleep because my baby had severe colic. And, Ms S would gather him into her arms and rock him in her special creaky rocking chair. And, he fell into a blissful and untroubled sleep. She was truly a baby whisperer. \nHer heart and soul were devoted to children who were victims of horrific abuse. She took in a toddler who had spent much of his young life living in a cage. He was non verbal and unable to walk. After several years, she brought him up to nearly his age level. He was walking and verbal. The state stepped in and returned him to his newly “reformed” mother.\nHe was returned to Ms S a year later, with severe setbacks. She did everything that she could for this boy. Bit, when the state took him back again, she was done. Eventually, her remaining kids aged out of the system.\nAnyway, long ass story. Please forgive me for this. I’m just thinking about the little girl from this story and hoping that she lands in the lap of a Ms S in a special creaky rocking chair and comes to know comfort from a truly caring person and never has to be returned to an uncaring and abusive ”mother”.\nRIP Ms S for being the only real mom to many kids and for being a very special Grandmom to my kids . Never forgotten and always remembered.",
">\n\nCool story man. She sounds like a fantastic person",
">\n\nI swear i think i live next to this woman... Always screaming and swearing at her kids at the top of her lungs...",
">\n\nCall cps. Lived in a similar situation awhile back. I was afraid to call, wish I would be called earlier looking back at it.",
">\n\nDealt with CPS as a child growing up. They don’t care. My parents would have gone to jail had i been an animal and they were just as abusive. Especially if the child has no other family nearby to take em.",
">\n\nSounds awful for you. Im really sorry. As far as CPS goes I didn’t know what else do to, any ideas in case I find myself in a similar situation?\nNot too long after I called they moved out in the middle of the night and left their dog behind. Wish they would have left the kids wouldve adopted them too. \nHope you’re doing good now internet stranger.",
">\n\nShe obviously can't be trusted with her child, but I hope she gets the help that she clearly needs.",
">\n\nShe obviously hates the child and doesn't know how to take care of it so it should be taken and given to somebody who can take care of it and appreciate it. \nIt really makes me sick that there's people out there that struggle to get pregnant and want so desperately to have babies... And then you have this woman who decides to use her baby like a football. 🙄",
">\n\nYeah I hear kangaroos will throw their babies out to escape",
">\n\nI’m not advocating for violence, but the blunt end of a shingler’s hatchet works wonders as an attitude-correction tool.",
">\n\nThat's very Walmart of her",
">\n\ndead kid walking\nmom will get a slap on the wrist, at some point the courts will agree to a reunification plan, mom gets kid back\nmom and her boyfriend beat kid to death after starving it and abusing it for it's short miserable life",
">\n\nThat is such an extremely disgusting act to do. Baby deserves better than that.",
">\n\nSomeone is about to lose her parental rights.",
">\n\nI really wish I never clicked on this post. Not everyone is fit to be a parent.",
">\n\nThe charges aren’t severe enough. “Endangering the welfare?” A kick from an adult can kill a one year old baby…\nShe needs to go to prison for good.",
">\n\nI expect a lot of stories like this over the next decade as abortion restrictions lead to people who aren't prepared for kids to become parents.",
">\n\nCan we not link everything that and instead focus on the fact this a shitty person instead?",
">\n\nok and abortion reduces the number of shitty people having children. it is all related.",
">\n\nThere is no guarantee shitty people would go about it. They still have to want to do it during a very limited window.",
">\n\nJust pure numbers, more abortions mean at least one less shitty person having kids",
">\n\nJust read the article, I hope the baby is safe, taken out of her custody permanently, and this vile bitch is spayed like a stray dog and thrown into jail for 5-7 years. (I'm aware that won't happen) Fucking worst type of human. Disgusting and reprehensible behavior.",
">\n\nWatch the downfall of Mankind: Go to r/publicfreakout search \"WalMart\"... \"Waffle House\", \"MacDonald's\" and \"Starbucks\" will suffice also.",
">\n\nI can't be the only who thinks it's interesting as a society we have to take have qualifications for certain jobs but to be a parent.. fuck it, you don't need training at all.. seems a little fucked up",
">\n\nThere are evil assholes in this thread saying that people have a god-given right to have, kill, barbecue and eat their own children. They claim it's \"freedom from state over-reach\", but it means they want to kill, barbecue and eat children with zero consequences. Child abuse is common in this world. My own father beat me until I put him in the hospital and then never saw him again. These assholes want to make sure fathers are allowed to beat their children freely, and that any child who defends themself is punished. Fuck those people!\nThe state has a role in protecting children. And anyone against it is an enemy of decency.",
">\n\nPaterson, NJ. No surprise....",
">\n\nThe surprise is it’s not Florida.",
">\n\nAnother baby mama loses her child. Don't worry; she'll make more.",
">\n\nThat is not a mom, this is a piece of trash that let some guy rawdog her.",
">\n\nSpay her and lock her up for ten years. In no way should she ever be in a position to bring more children into the world to abuse. \nWhat hasn't been caught on camera in this woman's home? What emotional damage has already been inflicted prior that might not be able to be fixed?",
">\n\nLike the quokka, shoplifters are known to throw their offspring down to bait predators and increase the chances of escape.",
">\n\nPrison and throw away the key",
">\n\nBruh that’s a rough 23 😬",
">\n\nSo a typical Walmart outing",
">\n\nI think this is the appropriate use of the phrase \"that woman is a cunt\".",
">\n\nLast minute effort to clinch the Mother of the Year Award?",
">\n\nThe Quokka defense rarely works for humans.",
">\n\nSo… another normal day at any American Walmart then?",
">\n\nFrankly the supreme court really messed us all up. But what we have here is someone that is obviously to unstable to be a parent.",
">\n\nWould be really hard to watch this and not punch that cunt in the face repeatedly. Maybe a kick or two as well.",
">\n\nIf she’s willing to do that in public, I can’t even fathom what she would do to that child at home.",
">\n\nThey call this a Soccer mom.",
">\n\nThrow her trashy ass in jail",
">\n\nI read stuff like this and realize some people aren’t worthy of living. Hope the kid turns out alright because she’s not worthy of anything.",
">\n\nThe cycle continues for that family. Always remember you can be the one to change things but it takes patience which I think is something that should be stressed a lot more but isn't. If you don't have patience then you won't be able to deal with a screaming 1-year-old. It's that simple.",
">\n\n\"Kick the baby!\" - Kyle Broflovski",
">\n\nThis is a horrifically damaged person. In no way do I excuse her abuse of this poor little baby, though.",
">\n\nYes, yes, bad mother, poor child and all that. Clearly this lady has some issues and very likely needs professional psychiatric help. Or maybe she's just a narcissistic, entitled asshole. Either way she should've never been saddled with a child.",
">\n\ni wish you weren't being downvoted, because obviously this woman has some issues, and the age of the child indicates that it could be postpartum depression, which is not nothing. or, like you said, she could just be an asshole. \nscreaming and punching a wall because a baby was crying? that is definitely not normal. obviously it's horrible that the baby has been abused, and thankfully it is physically okay from this assault, but the mom obviously needs help.",
">\n\nYeah, people in this thread are clamoring for her to be thrown in jail but that really isnt gonna solve anything (shed probably come out worse).\nShes clearly not all there.",
">\n\nand i'm getting downvoted for saying she needs help, lol what.",
">\n\nYou're being down voted for worrying about the wrong person. The child is the one that needs compassion. The abusers needs are less important.",
">\n\nMost Walmart sentence ever.",
">\n\nI obviously know nothing of this woman and her history but uncharacteristic rage and unfortunately in some cases violent outbursts can be a sign of postpartum depression. Hormones can do crazy things.",
">\n\nYou and her both need to walk into traffic",
">\n\nSeems like a solid way to deal with mental illness? Postpartum depression is a very real thing and can make people act in uncharacteristic ways.",
">\n\nQueue up the Janes Addiction",
">\n\nSay what you mean.",
">\n\nIt’s right there ^",
">\n\nI guess you got too embarrassed or downvoted and deleted it right after that comment eh?",
">\n\nNope. It’s all right there still.",
">\n\nIt says deleted clear as day, but alright. I’ll just look up the edits because I’m curious.",
">\n\nNothing was deleted by me and still shows so 🤷🏻♂️",
">\n\nThis isn’t fucking news Jesus Christ",
">\n\nAm I the only one whose second thought after “how can you do that to your baby” was “why is this article especially the headline putting shoplifting on the same level with doing that to your baby?”\nI’m not one of those people who thinks shoplifting is cool or whatever but…this is some really blatant “arson, murder, and jaywalking” stuff.",
">\n\nHow is the headline putting the crimes on the same level? It's literally just the events that happened, a mom who was shoplifting kicked her baby after being caught. The headline is not trying to equate assaulting a baby with shoplifting.",
">\n\nIt mentioned the shoplifting before kicking the baby (really burying the lede there).",
">\n\nBecause it happened during a confrontation with security guards.",
">\n\nIsn’t shopping at Walmart in itself shoplifting?",
">\n\nI can't imagine that the others in that room would have a very different story. Let's hear your defense of this woman's actions.",
">\n\nBecause at the moment, that's what makes the most sense given the information at hand.\nYou, on the other hand, are going exactly the opposite direction. You're essentially blaming the police without any evidence.\nHow about we all wait for now information before passing any judgement on anyone?",
">\n\nLook back and point to the statement that “blames police” for me.\nOf course it’s the “information at hand”; they have a vested interest in making it available.\nI’m literally saying “you only have one side of the argument” and you (and many others) are downvoting for even suggesting that very thing.",
">\n\n\nWhy give police the benefit of the doubt?\nWhy give the police version the benefit of the doubt?\n\nStating that twice really makes you look like you're saying the police are the problem, here. The police weren't involved at the start. The article says they were called later. Have you reason to doubt that part of the story? Do you think they were there from the start and that they made her kick the baby? Or maybe that a cop did that and they are trying to blame it on her to absolve themselves? In front of the witnesses at the scene? It's a leap that didn't make sense to me. Unless you have more information than is in the article...\nI find the information in the article, as presented, a reasonable place to start. If I see more coming out of this in coming days that showed the police did something wrong, I'll most certainly consider what's reported then.",
">\n\n“Believe police versions” is what you’re saying.\nAt least be honest.",
">\n\nOne of the few articles that made me say “wtf”. Poor child.",
">\n\nSounds like she was under the influence of some drug. 😢",
">\n\nIt will only get worse as more and more unwanted children are born. Thanks supreme court!",
">\n\nSo glad this happened where it could be caught on camera and police were involved so this child can be take away!",
">\n\nI hate to say this, but that baby will probably die if the state does nothing.\nI hope they both get the help they need.",
">\n\nThere are many people in this thread committed to making sure the state is never allowed to stop child abuse. They support parental rights to kill, barbecue and eat their offspring in broad day light and nobody should even be allowed to mention that it's unsightly to eat dismembered children in the park. Those who mention that child abuse is bad will just be told that millions of dead children on yearly basis is worth it as long as it stops the state from overreaching itself once a century.",
">\n\nWhat the fuck is wrong with America, I feel like read shit like this every single day",
">\n\nIt’s because an awful lot of people are indeed, absolute trash. Wife working in retail has been an eye opener on just how many arrogant psychopathic mouth breathing, lazy, careless and vindictive people there are out there.\nYesterday a grown woman urinated on the floor of her store as part of throwing a tantrum because something was out of stock. \nSo many people just waste space in this world.",
">\n\nThe fuck man thats just unbelievable, I work in customer service as well and sympathize with you and your wife.",
">\n\nWell, I guess we know where that baby gets its shopping skills from. Hopefully it won't also inherit a penchant for kicking and punching walls... but only time will tell",
">\n\nThat baby was just saved. 🙏",
">\n\nMaybe it was just given to the family. They likely will treat the kid in a similar manner behaviour like that is learned. Also she was there shoplifting with her sister so that adds to my belief the kid is likely still in danger.",
">\n\nThis was a hard read, go to jail.",
">\n\n7 years of asset protection. I watched a woman try and beat police with her baby. One used the kid in a stroller as a battering ram with the poor baby’s head whipping back and forth. Stashing merchandise under the baby then yelling and screaming not to arrest them because they’re a mother. It was sick. The number of people using babies and children to steal or to try to get out of being arrested was appalling and I hated them each time I had to deal with it."
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It should be as hard to have a child as it is to adopt a child or even a pet from a rescue .Simply having the physical capability of having a child does not make someone a parent ,and the fairytale that all women are nurturing is a lie. Not only should no one be forced to have a child ,it should not be a right to have one either.
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"That website is giving my browser cancer so here's the text for anyone else who can't get it to load properly.\n\nTETERBORO — A mother kicked her baby daughter and sent the child careening across the floor after shoplifting from Walmart, according to police.\nJamira McDaniel, 23, of Paterson, was caught stealing at the supercenter in Teterboro by Walmart theft protection personnel on Tuesday, Moonachie Police Lt. Jeff Napolitano confirmed to New Jersey 101.5.\nMcDaniel was with her 1-year-old girl and the child's aunt.\nAfter she was taken to the store's security office, McDaniel placed the baby girl on the ground and kicked her in the back, Napolitano said. The toddler was sent across the floor and into the security office.\nAccording to Napolitano, the incident was caught on security cameras. He said video of the kick was turned over to Bergen County court but was not yet publicly available.\nThe theft protection workers then picked up the inconsolable child, handed her to McDaniel's sister, and called the police.\n\"McDaniel, upset by the girl who was now screaming and crying while being held by her aunt, began punching walls and yelling for the baby to stop crying,\" Napolitano explained. \"McDaniel also grabbed the baby and began to shake her while she was being held by her aunt.\"\nMoonachie cops soon arrived at the store and called an ambulance to evaluate the baby. Fortunately, first responders found the child was uninjured.\nThe mother is charged with endangering the welfare of a child, assault, shoplifting, and criminal mischief, according to Napolitano.\nMcDaniel was sent to Bergen County jail, which is where she remains as of Wednesday evening. The aunt was not charged and the child was given to family members.\n\nGod help that poor baby.",
">\n\nSome people really need to not have kids",
">\n\nMore people should have abortions. If someone cannot or doesn’t want to raise a child abortion should be the first choice. Bringing children into this world only for them to suffer is awful. So many wind up in the foster system and no one adopts them then they age out. Then you have adults who have no family or resources and continue to suffer. \nAnytime someone says abortion is bad and they should just birth the child and give it up for adoption should be required to take one of those children into their homes. \nCausing unwavering suffering of another living being is immoral.",
">\n\nI absolutely agree but there is also a large subset of people that WANT to have kids but are still completely awful parents.",
">\n\nHence, the reverse abortion! A simple way to solve these issues",
">\n\nWhat's a reverse abortion? Shoving the child back up the coochie and into the uterus?? \nMaybe I'm just super dumb today and drank too much or too little coffee, but I really don't know what a reverse abortion would be. \nAm I going to feel really stupid when you tell me? If so, that's ok, just tell me anyway, I'm used to feeling stupid.",
">\n\nInstead of aborting babies, abort the parents",
">\n\nCan you legally abort a baby after 18 years?",
">\n\nSometimes I ask my mom if she would feel comfortable having a 124th trimester abortion. My brother is not working out.",
">\n\nReading that article, it sounds like being a shoplifter is the best thing about her.",
">\n\nWhen my kids were little I found it almost impossible to read articles like this. They would stick with me for days or weeks. \nI really hope that baby ends up in a loving home because game fucking over for mom.",
">\n\nI have a 1½‐year-old and reading this makes me want to cry.",
">\n\nSame. I just can’t read anything like this, it’s so horrifying. And I just hold my kiddo and cry and then be sad I can’t love all the babies and protect them all. \nKids are just so freaking pure and good and they just want to be loved and safe like that’s it man. How could you do something to something so innocent?",
">\n\nReading your comment, in contrast to OP’s horror inducing title, legit just brought a tear to my eye. Makes me hug my kiddos extra just thinking about it!",
">\n\nIf she kicks and shakes the baby in public, I can’t imagine what she does to that poor child at home. Disgusting woman.",
">\n\nAbortion should be legal so we can make sure this woman never existed.",
">\n\nWe should be able to abort the mother in this instance.",
">\n\nThat’s… that’s what he just inferred",
">\n\nDoesn't hurt to drive the point home",
">\n\nYou see horrible parenting in a walmart any day, but this is is, I think, the worst I've heard of. I hope she doesn't get that poor kid back.",
">\n\nUnfortunately, in this circumstance, it's better for her to do this shit in public and get caught so the baby (and other possible kids) gets taken away. If that's what she does in public, imagine what she does behind closed doors.",
">\n\nHoly fuck, Adblock on Firefox shows 450+ blocked on that website alone???",
">\n\nNow do you see why everyone on reddit is losing their mind over the news that Chrome is preventing ad block.\nIf you haven't switched to Firefox or something else, you might want to start test driving a few browsers because good LORD you have no idea how bad things are without ad block.",
">\n\nPiece of trash. Even reading the article boils my blood.",
">\n\nDefinitely r/iamatotalpieceofshit material",
">\n\nThank god she showed her true abusive colours while on camera and in front of everyone. Now the kid will be protected from her and serious injury/trauma prevented.",
">\n\nI hope this baby finds her way to a loving and caring mother, and I hope this lady gets the mental help she needs.",
">\n\nYea and maybe my mom will quit drinking and my dad will come home.",
">\n\nHope is sometimes all we have",
">\n\nMy best friend’s mom was a foster parent for many years. She was well known by DFACS for taking in their most difficult cases, children of severe abuse, often arriving in the middle of the night with nothing more than the clothes on their backs. She didn’t have a lot of money, bit she somehow made due for all of the kids. She was practical and no nonsense, pragmatic and loving. I learned a lot about how to stretch a dollar to make struggle meals from her. Full bellies and full hearts.\nWhen I was a new mother, she was my lifeline. I knew nothing about babies and she patiently taught me what I needed to know. She talked me through my son’s first bath over the telephone, I was exhausted from lack of sleep because my baby had severe colic. And, Ms S would gather him into her arms and rock him in her special creaky rocking chair. And, he fell into a blissful and untroubled sleep. She was truly a baby whisperer. \nHer heart and soul were devoted to children who were victims of horrific abuse. She took in a toddler who had spent much of his young life living in a cage. He was non verbal and unable to walk. After several years, she brought him up to nearly his age level. He was walking and verbal. The state stepped in and returned him to his newly “reformed” mother.\nHe was returned to Ms S a year later, with severe setbacks. She did everything that she could for this boy. Bit, when the state took him back again, she was done. Eventually, her remaining kids aged out of the system.\nAnyway, long ass story. Please forgive me for this. I’m just thinking about the little girl from this story and hoping that she lands in the lap of a Ms S in a special creaky rocking chair and comes to know comfort from a truly caring person and never has to be returned to an uncaring and abusive ”mother”.\nRIP Ms S for being the only real mom to many kids and for being a very special Grandmom to my kids . Never forgotten and always remembered.",
">\n\nCool story man. She sounds like a fantastic person",
">\n\nI swear i think i live next to this woman... Always screaming and swearing at her kids at the top of her lungs...",
">\n\nCall cps. Lived in a similar situation awhile back. I was afraid to call, wish I would be called earlier looking back at it.",
">\n\nDealt with CPS as a child growing up. They don’t care. My parents would have gone to jail had i been an animal and they were just as abusive. Especially if the child has no other family nearby to take em.",
">\n\nSounds awful for you. Im really sorry. As far as CPS goes I didn’t know what else do to, any ideas in case I find myself in a similar situation?\nNot too long after I called they moved out in the middle of the night and left their dog behind. Wish they would have left the kids wouldve adopted them too. \nHope you’re doing good now internet stranger.",
">\n\nShe obviously can't be trusted with her child, but I hope she gets the help that she clearly needs.",
">\n\nShe obviously hates the child and doesn't know how to take care of it so it should be taken and given to somebody who can take care of it and appreciate it. \nIt really makes me sick that there's people out there that struggle to get pregnant and want so desperately to have babies... And then you have this woman who decides to use her baby like a football. 🙄",
">\n\nYeah I hear kangaroos will throw their babies out to escape",
">\n\nI’m not advocating for violence, but the blunt end of a shingler’s hatchet works wonders as an attitude-correction tool.",
">\n\nThat's very Walmart of her",
">\n\ndead kid walking\nmom will get a slap on the wrist, at some point the courts will agree to a reunification plan, mom gets kid back\nmom and her boyfriend beat kid to death after starving it and abusing it for it's short miserable life",
">\n\nThat is such an extremely disgusting act to do. Baby deserves better than that.",
">\n\nSomeone is about to lose her parental rights.",
">\n\nI really wish I never clicked on this post. Not everyone is fit to be a parent.",
">\n\nThe charges aren’t severe enough. “Endangering the welfare?” A kick from an adult can kill a one year old baby…\nShe needs to go to prison for good.",
">\n\nI expect a lot of stories like this over the next decade as abortion restrictions lead to people who aren't prepared for kids to become parents.",
">\n\nCan we not link everything that and instead focus on the fact this a shitty person instead?",
">\n\nok and abortion reduces the number of shitty people having children. it is all related.",
">\n\nThere is no guarantee shitty people would go about it. They still have to want to do it during a very limited window.",
">\n\nJust pure numbers, more abortions mean at least one less shitty person having kids",
">\n\nJust read the article, I hope the baby is safe, taken out of her custody permanently, and this vile bitch is spayed like a stray dog and thrown into jail for 5-7 years. (I'm aware that won't happen) Fucking worst type of human. Disgusting and reprehensible behavior.",
">\n\nWatch the downfall of Mankind: Go to r/publicfreakout search \"WalMart\"... \"Waffle House\", \"MacDonald's\" and \"Starbucks\" will suffice also.",
">\n\nI can't be the only who thinks it's interesting as a society we have to take have qualifications for certain jobs but to be a parent.. fuck it, you don't need training at all.. seems a little fucked up",
">\n\nThere are evil assholes in this thread saying that people have a god-given right to have, kill, barbecue and eat their own children. They claim it's \"freedom from state over-reach\", but it means they want to kill, barbecue and eat children with zero consequences. Child abuse is common in this world. My own father beat me until I put him in the hospital and then never saw him again. These assholes want to make sure fathers are allowed to beat their children freely, and that any child who defends themself is punished. Fuck those people!\nThe state has a role in protecting children. And anyone against it is an enemy of decency.",
">\n\nPaterson, NJ. No surprise....",
">\n\nThe surprise is it’s not Florida.",
">\n\nAnother baby mama loses her child. Don't worry; she'll make more.",
">\n\nThat is not a mom, this is a piece of trash that let some guy rawdog her.",
">\n\nSpay her and lock her up for ten years. In no way should she ever be in a position to bring more children into the world to abuse. \nWhat hasn't been caught on camera in this woman's home? What emotional damage has already been inflicted prior that might not be able to be fixed?",
">\n\nLike the quokka, shoplifters are known to throw their offspring down to bait predators and increase the chances of escape.",
">\n\nPrison and throw away the key",
">\n\nBruh that’s a rough 23 😬",
">\n\nSo a typical Walmart outing",
">\n\nI think this is the appropriate use of the phrase \"that woman is a cunt\".",
">\n\nLast minute effort to clinch the Mother of the Year Award?",
">\n\nThe Quokka defense rarely works for humans.",
">\n\nSo… another normal day at any American Walmart then?",
">\n\nFrankly the supreme court really messed us all up. But what we have here is someone that is obviously to unstable to be a parent.",
">\n\nWould be really hard to watch this and not punch that cunt in the face repeatedly. Maybe a kick or two as well.",
">\n\nIf she’s willing to do that in public, I can’t even fathom what she would do to that child at home.",
">\n\nThey call this a Soccer mom.",
">\n\nThrow her trashy ass in jail",
">\n\nI read stuff like this and realize some people aren’t worthy of living. Hope the kid turns out alright because she’s not worthy of anything.",
">\n\nThe cycle continues for that family. Always remember you can be the one to change things but it takes patience which I think is something that should be stressed a lot more but isn't. If you don't have patience then you won't be able to deal with a screaming 1-year-old. It's that simple.",
">\n\n\"Kick the baby!\" - Kyle Broflovski",
">\n\nThis is a horrifically damaged person. In no way do I excuse her abuse of this poor little baby, though.",
">\n\nYes, yes, bad mother, poor child and all that. Clearly this lady has some issues and very likely needs professional psychiatric help. Or maybe she's just a narcissistic, entitled asshole. Either way she should've never been saddled with a child.",
">\n\ni wish you weren't being downvoted, because obviously this woman has some issues, and the age of the child indicates that it could be postpartum depression, which is not nothing. or, like you said, she could just be an asshole. \nscreaming and punching a wall because a baby was crying? that is definitely not normal. obviously it's horrible that the baby has been abused, and thankfully it is physically okay from this assault, but the mom obviously needs help.",
">\n\nYeah, people in this thread are clamoring for her to be thrown in jail but that really isnt gonna solve anything (shed probably come out worse).\nShes clearly not all there.",
">\n\nand i'm getting downvoted for saying she needs help, lol what.",
">\n\nYou're being down voted for worrying about the wrong person. The child is the one that needs compassion. The abusers needs are less important.",
">\n\nMost Walmart sentence ever.",
">\n\nI obviously know nothing of this woman and her history but uncharacteristic rage and unfortunately in some cases violent outbursts can be a sign of postpartum depression. Hormones can do crazy things.",
">\n\nYou and her both need to walk into traffic",
">\n\nSeems like a solid way to deal with mental illness? Postpartum depression is a very real thing and can make people act in uncharacteristic ways.",
">\n\nQueue up the Janes Addiction",
">\n\nSay what you mean.",
">\n\nIt’s right there ^",
">\n\nI guess you got too embarrassed or downvoted and deleted it right after that comment eh?",
">\n\nNope. It’s all right there still.",
">\n\nIt says deleted clear as day, but alright. I’ll just look up the edits because I’m curious.",
">\n\nNothing was deleted by me and still shows so 🤷🏻♂️",
">\n\nThis isn’t fucking news Jesus Christ",
">\n\nAm I the only one whose second thought after “how can you do that to your baby” was “why is this article especially the headline putting shoplifting on the same level with doing that to your baby?”\nI’m not one of those people who thinks shoplifting is cool or whatever but…this is some really blatant “arson, murder, and jaywalking” stuff.",
">\n\nHow is the headline putting the crimes on the same level? It's literally just the events that happened, a mom who was shoplifting kicked her baby after being caught. The headline is not trying to equate assaulting a baby with shoplifting.",
">\n\nIt mentioned the shoplifting before kicking the baby (really burying the lede there).",
">\n\nBecause it happened during a confrontation with security guards.",
">\n\nIsn’t shopping at Walmart in itself shoplifting?",
">\n\nI can't imagine that the others in that room would have a very different story. Let's hear your defense of this woman's actions.",
">\n\nBecause at the moment, that's what makes the most sense given the information at hand.\nYou, on the other hand, are going exactly the opposite direction. You're essentially blaming the police without any evidence.\nHow about we all wait for now information before passing any judgement on anyone?",
">\n\nLook back and point to the statement that “blames police” for me.\nOf course it’s the “information at hand”; they have a vested interest in making it available.\nI’m literally saying “you only have one side of the argument” and you (and many others) are downvoting for even suggesting that very thing.",
">\n\n\nWhy give police the benefit of the doubt?\nWhy give the police version the benefit of the doubt?\n\nStating that twice really makes you look like you're saying the police are the problem, here. The police weren't involved at the start. The article says they were called later. Have you reason to doubt that part of the story? Do you think they were there from the start and that they made her kick the baby? Or maybe that a cop did that and they are trying to blame it on her to absolve themselves? In front of the witnesses at the scene? It's a leap that didn't make sense to me. Unless you have more information than is in the article...\nI find the information in the article, as presented, a reasonable place to start. If I see more coming out of this in coming days that showed the police did something wrong, I'll most certainly consider what's reported then.",
">\n\n“Believe police versions” is what you’re saying.\nAt least be honest.",
">\n\nOne of the few articles that made me say “wtf”. Poor child.",
">\n\nSounds like she was under the influence of some drug. 😢",
">\n\nIt will only get worse as more and more unwanted children are born. Thanks supreme court!",
">\n\nSo glad this happened where it could be caught on camera and police were involved so this child can be take away!",
">\n\nI hate to say this, but that baby will probably die if the state does nothing.\nI hope they both get the help they need.",
">\n\nThere are many people in this thread committed to making sure the state is never allowed to stop child abuse. They support parental rights to kill, barbecue and eat their offspring in broad day light and nobody should even be allowed to mention that it's unsightly to eat dismembered children in the park. Those who mention that child abuse is bad will just be told that millions of dead children on yearly basis is worth it as long as it stops the state from overreaching itself once a century.",
">\n\nWhat the fuck is wrong with America, I feel like read shit like this every single day",
">\n\nIt’s because an awful lot of people are indeed, absolute trash. Wife working in retail has been an eye opener on just how many arrogant psychopathic mouth breathing, lazy, careless and vindictive people there are out there.\nYesterday a grown woman urinated on the floor of her store as part of throwing a tantrum because something was out of stock. \nSo many people just waste space in this world.",
">\n\nThe fuck man thats just unbelievable, I work in customer service as well and sympathize with you and your wife.",
">\n\nWell, I guess we know where that baby gets its shopping skills from. Hopefully it won't also inherit a penchant for kicking and punching walls... but only time will tell",
">\n\nThat baby was just saved. 🙏",
">\n\nMaybe it was just given to the family. They likely will treat the kid in a similar manner behaviour like that is learned. Also she was there shoplifting with her sister so that adds to my belief the kid is likely still in danger.",
">\n\nThis was a hard read, go to jail.",
">\n\n7 years of asset protection. I watched a woman try and beat police with her baby. One used the kid in a stroller as a battering ram with the poor baby’s head whipping back and forth. Stashing merchandise under the baby then yelling and screaming not to arrest them because they’re a mother. It was sick. The number of people using babies and children to steal or to try to get out of being arrested was appalling and I hated them each time I had to deal with it.",
">\n\nWas her baby's name Ike Broflovski?"
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Never trust what cops say about poor folks
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"That website is giving my browser cancer so here's the text for anyone else who can't get it to load properly.\n\nTETERBORO — A mother kicked her baby daughter and sent the child careening across the floor after shoplifting from Walmart, according to police.\nJamira McDaniel, 23, of Paterson, was caught stealing at the supercenter in Teterboro by Walmart theft protection personnel on Tuesday, Moonachie Police Lt. Jeff Napolitano confirmed to New Jersey 101.5.\nMcDaniel was with her 1-year-old girl and the child's aunt.\nAfter she was taken to the store's security office, McDaniel placed the baby girl on the ground and kicked her in the back, Napolitano said. The toddler was sent across the floor and into the security office.\nAccording to Napolitano, the incident was caught on security cameras. He said video of the kick was turned over to Bergen County court but was not yet publicly available.\nThe theft protection workers then picked up the inconsolable child, handed her to McDaniel's sister, and called the police.\n\"McDaniel, upset by the girl who was now screaming and crying while being held by her aunt, began punching walls and yelling for the baby to stop crying,\" Napolitano explained. \"McDaniel also grabbed the baby and began to shake her while she was being held by her aunt.\"\nMoonachie cops soon arrived at the store and called an ambulance to evaluate the baby. Fortunately, first responders found the child was uninjured.\nThe mother is charged with endangering the welfare of a child, assault, shoplifting, and criminal mischief, according to Napolitano.\nMcDaniel was sent to Bergen County jail, which is where she remains as of Wednesday evening. The aunt was not charged and the child was given to family members.\n\nGod help that poor baby.",
">\n\nSome people really need to not have kids",
">\n\nMore people should have abortions. If someone cannot or doesn’t want to raise a child abortion should be the first choice. Bringing children into this world only for them to suffer is awful. So many wind up in the foster system and no one adopts them then they age out. Then you have adults who have no family or resources and continue to suffer. \nAnytime someone says abortion is bad and they should just birth the child and give it up for adoption should be required to take one of those children into their homes. \nCausing unwavering suffering of another living being is immoral.",
">\n\nI absolutely agree but there is also a large subset of people that WANT to have kids but are still completely awful parents.",
">\n\nHence, the reverse abortion! A simple way to solve these issues",
">\n\nWhat's a reverse abortion? Shoving the child back up the coochie and into the uterus?? \nMaybe I'm just super dumb today and drank too much or too little coffee, but I really don't know what a reverse abortion would be. \nAm I going to feel really stupid when you tell me? If so, that's ok, just tell me anyway, I'm used to feeling stupid.",
">\n\nInstead of aborting babies, abort the parents",
">\n\nCan you legally abort a baby after 18 years?",
">\n\nSometimes I ask my mom if she would feel comfortable having a 124th trimester abortion. My brother is not working out.",
">\n\nReading that article, it sounds like being a shoplifter is the best thing about her.",
">\n\nWhen my kids were little I found it almost impossible to read articles like this. They would stick with me for days or weeks. \nI really hope that baby ends up in a loving home because game fucking over for mom.",
">\n\nI have a 1½‐year-old and reading this makes me want to cry.",
">\n\nSame. I just can’t read anything like this, it’s so horrifying. And I just hold my kiddo and cry and then be sad I can’t love all the babies and protect them all. \nKids are just so freaking pure and good and they just want to be loved and safe like that’s it man. How could you do something to something so innocent?",
">\n\nReading your comment, in contrast to OP’s horror inducing title, legit just brought a tear to my eye. Makes me hug my kiddos extra just thinking about it!",
">\n\nIf she kicks and shakes the baby in public, I can’t imagine what she does to that poor child at home. Disgusting woman.",
">\n\nAbortion should be legal so we can make sure this woman never existed.",
">\n\nWe should be able to abort the mother in this instance.",
">\n\nThat’s… that’s what he just inferred",
">\n\nDoesn't hurt to drive the point home",
">\n\nYou see horrible parenting in a walmart any day, but this is is, I think, the worst I've heard of. I hope she doesn't get that poor kid back.",
">\n\nUnfortunately, in this circumstance, it's better for her to do this shit in public and get caught so the baby (and other possible kids) gets taken away. If that's what she does in public, imagine what she does behind closed doors.",
">\n\nHoly fuck, Adblock on Firefox shows 450+ blocked on that website alone???",
">\n\nNow do you see why everyone on reddit is losing their mind over the news that Chrome is preventing ad block.\nIf you haven't switched to Firefox or something else, you might want to start test driving a few browsers because good LORD you have no idea how bad things are without ad block.",
">\n\nPiece of trash. Even reading the article boils my blood.",
">\n\nDefinitely r/iamatotalpieceofshit material",
">\n\nThank god she showed her true abusive colours while on camera and in front of everyone. Now the kid will be protected from her and serious injury/trauma prevented.",
">\n\nI hope this baby finds her way to a loving and caring mother, and I hope this lady gets the mental help she needs.",
">\n\nYea and maybe my mom will quit drinking and my dad will come home.",
">\n\nHope is sometimes all we have",
">\n\nMy best friend’s mom was a foster parent for many years. She was well known by DFACS for taking in their most difficult cases, children of severe abuse, often arriving in the middle of the night with nothing more than the clothes on their backs. She didn’t have a lot of money, bit she somehow made due for all of the kids. She was practical and no nonsense, pragmatic and loving. I learned a lot about how to stretch a dollar to make struggle meals from her. Full bellies and full hearts.\nWhen I was a new mother, she was my lifeline. I knew nothing about babies and she patiently taught me what I needed to know. She talked me through my son’s first bath over the telephone, I was exhausted from lack of sleep because my baby had severe colic. And, Ms S would gather him into her arms and rock him in her special creaky rocking chair. And, he fell into a blissful and untroubled sleep. She was truly a baby whisperer. \nHer heart and soul were devoted to children who were victims of horrific abuse. She took in a toddler who had spent much of his young life living in a cage. He was non verbal and unable to walk. After several years, she brought him up to nearly his age level. He was walking and verbal. The state stepped in and returned him to his newly “reformed” mother.\nHe was returned to Ms S a year later, with severe setbacks. She did everything that she could for this boy. Bit, when the state took him back again, she was done. Eventually, her remaining kids aged out of the system.\nAnyway, long ass story. Please forgive me for this. I’m just thinking about the little girl from this story and hoping that she lands in the lap of a Ms S in a special creaky rocking chair and comes to know comfort from a truly caring person and never has to be returned to an uncaring and abusive ”mother”.\nRIP Ms S for being the only real mom to many kids and for being a very special Grandmom to my kids . Never forgotten and always remembered.",
">\n\nCool story man. She sounds like a fantastic person",
">\n\nI swear i think i live next to this woman... Always screaming and swearing at her kids at the top of her lungs...",
">\n\nCall cps. Lived in a similar situation awhile back. I was afraid to call, wish I would be called earlier looking back at it.",
">\n\nDealt with CPS as a child growing up. They don’t care. My parents would have gone to jail had i been an animal and they were just as abusive. Especially if the child has no other family nearby to take em.",
">\n\nSounds awful for you. Im really sorry. As far as CPS goes I didn’t know what else do to, any ideas in case I find myself in a similar situation?\nNot too long after I called they moved out in the middle of the night and left their dog behind. Wish they would have left the kids wouldve adopted them too. \nHope you’re doing good now internet stranger.",
">\n\nShe obviously can't be trusted with her child, but I hope she gets the help that she clearly needs.",
">\n\nShe obviously hates the child and doesn't know how to take care of it so it should be taken and given to somebody who can take care of it and appreciate it. \nIt really makes me sick that there's people out there that struggle to get pregnant and want so desperately to have babies... And then you have this woman who decides to use her baby like a football. 🙄",
">\n\nYeah I hear kangaroos will throw their babies out to escape",
">\n\nI’m not advocating for violence, but the blunt end of a shingler’s hatchet works wonders as an attitude-correction tool.",
">\n\nThat's very Walmart of her",
">\n\ndead kid walking\nmom will get a slap on the wrist, at some point the courts will agree to a reunification plan, mom gets kid back\nmom and her boyfriend beat kid to death after starving it and abusing it for it's short miserable life",
">\n\nThat is such an extremely disgusting act to do. Baby deserves better than that.",
">\n\nSomeone is about to lose her parental rights.",
">\n\nI really wish I never clicked on this post. Not everyone is fit to be a parent.",
">\n\nThe charges aren’t severe enough. “Endangering the welfare?” A kick from an adult can kill a one year old baby…\nShe needs to go to prison for good.",
">\n\nI expect a lot of stories like this over the next decade as abortion restrictions lead to people who aren't prepared for kids to become parents.",
">\n\nCan we not link everything that and instead focus on the fact this a shitty person instead?",
">\n\nok and abortion reduces the number of shitty people having children. it is all related.",
">\n\nThere is no guarantee shitty people would go about it. They still have to want to do it during a very limited window.",
">\n\nJust pure numbers, more abortions mean at least one less shitty person having kids",
">\n\nJust read the article, I hope the baby is safe, taken out of her custody permanently, and this vile bitch is spayed like a stray dog and thrown into jail for 5-7 years. (I'm aware that won't happen) Fucking worst type of human. Disgusting and reprehensible behavior.",
">\n\nWatch the downfall of Mankind: Go to r/publicfreakout search \"WalMart\"... \"Waffle House\", \"MacDonald's\" and \"Starbucks\" will suffice also.",
">\n\nI can't be the only who thinks it's interesting as a society we have to take have qualifications for certain jobs but to be a parent.. fuck it, you don't need training at all.. seems a little fucked up",
">\n\nThere are evil assholes in this thread saying that people have a god-given right to have, kill, barbecue and eat their own children. They claim it's \"freedom from state over-reach\", but it means they want to kill, barbecue and eat children with zero consequences. Child abuse is common in this world. My own father beat me until I put him in the hospital and then never saw him again. These assholes want to make sure fathers are allowed to beat their children freely, and that any child who defends themself is punished. Fuck those people!\nThe state has a role in protecting children. And anyone against it is an enemy of decency.",
">\n\nPaterson, NJ. No surprise....",
">\n\nThe surprise is it’s not Florida.",
">\n\nAnother baby mama loses her child. Don't worry; she'll make more.",
">\n\nThat is not a mom, this is a piece of trash that let some guy rawdog her.",
">\n\nSpay her and lock her up for ten years. In no way should she ever be in a position to bring more children into the world to abuse. \nWhat hasn't been caught on camera in this woman's home? What emotional damage has already been inflicted prior that might not be able to be fixed?",
">\n\nLike the quokka, shoplifters are known to throw their offspring down to bait predators and increase the chances of escape.",
">\n\nPrison and throw away the key",
">\n\nBruh that’s a rough 23 😬",
">\n\nSo a typical Walmart outing",
">\n\nI think this is the appropriate use of the phrase \"that woman is a cunt\".",
">\n\nLast minute effort to clinch the Mother of the Year Award?",
">\n\nThe Quokka defense rarely works for humans.",
">\n\nSo… another normal day at any American Walmart then?",
">\n\nFrankly the supreme court really messed us all up. But what we have here is someone that is obviously to unstable to be a parent.",
">\n\nWould be really hard to watch this and not punch that cunt in the face repeatedly. Maybe a kick or two as well.",
">\n\nIf she’s willing to do that in public, I can’t even fathom what she would do to that child at home.",
">\n\nThey call this a Soccer mom.",
">\n\nThrow her trashy ass in jail",
">\n\nI read stuff like this and realize some people aren’t worthy of living. Hope the kid turns out alright because she’s not worthy of anything.",
">\n\nThe cycle continues for that family. Always remember you can be the one to change things but it takes patience which I think is something that should be stressed a lot more but isn't. If you don't have patience then you won't be able to deal with a screaming 1-year-old. It's that simple.",
">\n\n\"Kick the baby!\" - Kyle Broflovski",
">\n\nThis is a horrifically damaged person. In no way do I excuse her abuse of this poor little baby, though.",
">\n\nYes, yes, bad mother, poor child and all that. Clearly this lady has some issues and very likely needs professional psychiatric help. Or maybe she's just a narcissistic, entitled asshole. Either way she should've never been saddled with a child.",
">\n\ni wish you weren't being downvoted, because obviously this woman has some issues, and the age of the child indicates that it could be postpartum depression, which is not nothing. or, like you said, she could just be an asshole. \nscreaming and punching a wall because a baby was crying? that is definitely not normal. obviously it's horrible that the baby has been abused, and thankfully it is physically okay from this assault, but the mom obviously needs help.",
">\n\nYeah, people in this thread are clamoring for her to be thrown in jail but that really isnt gonna solve anything (shed probably come out worse).\nShes clearly not all there.",
">\n\nand i'm getting downvoted for saying she needs help, lol what.",
">\n\nYou're being down voted for worrying about the wrong person. The child is the one that needs compassion. The abusers needs are less important.",
">\n\nMost Walmart sentence ever.",
">\n\nI obviously know nothing of this woman and her history but uncharacteristic rage and unfortunately in some cases violent outbursts can be a sign of postpartum depression. Hormones can do crazy things.",
">\n\nYou and her both need to walk into traffic",
">\n\nSeems like a solid way to deal with mental illness? Postpartum depression is a very real thing and can make people act in uncharacteristic ways.",
">\n\nQueue up the Janes Addiction",
">\n\nSay what you mean.",
">\n\nIt’s right there ^",
">\n\nI guess you got too embarrassed or downvoted and deleted it right after that comment eh?",
">\n\nNope. It’s all right there still.",
">\n\nIt says deleted clear as day, but alright. I’ll just look up the edits because I’m curious.",
">\n\nNothing was deleted by me and still shows so 🤷🏻♂️",
">\n\nThis isn’t fucking news Jesus Christ",
">\n\nAm I the only one whose second thought after “how can you do that to your baby” was “why is this article especially the headline putting shoplifting on the same level with doing that to your baby?”\nI’m not one of those people who thinks shoplifting is cool or whatever but…this is some really blatant “arson, murder, and jaywalking” stuff.",
">\n\nHow is the headline putting the crimes on the same level? It's literally just the events that happened, a mom who was shoplifting kicked her baby after being caught. The headline is not trying to equate assaulting a baby with shoplifting.",
">\n\nIt mentioned the shoplifting before kicking the baby (really burying the lede there).",
">\n\nBecause it happened during a confrontation with security guards.",
">\n\nIsn’t shopping at Walmart in itself shoplifting?",
">\n\nI can't imagine that the others in that room would have a very different story. Let's hear your defense of this woman's actions.",
">\n\nBecause at the moment, that's what makes the most sense given the information at hand.\nYou, on the other hand, are going exactly the opposite direction. You're essentially blaming the police without any evidence.\nHow about we all wait for now information before passing any judgement on anyone?",
">\n\nLook back and point to the statement that “blames police” for me.\nOf course it’s the “information at hand”; they have a vested interest in making it available.\nI’m literally saying “you only have one side of the argument” and you (and many others) are downvoting for even suggesting that very thing.",
">\n\n\nWhy give police the benefit of the doubt?\nWhy give the police version the benefit of the doubt?\n\nStating that twice really makes you look like you're saying the police are the problem, here. The police weren't involved at the start. The article says they were called later. Have you reason to doubt that part of the story? Do you think they were there from the start and that they made her kick the baby? Or maybe that a cop did that and they are trying to blame it on her to absolve themselves? In front of the witnesses at the scene? It's a leap that didn't make sense to me. Unless you have more information than is in the article...\nI find the information in the article, as presented, a reasonable place to start. If I see more coming out of this in coming days that showed the police did something wrong, I'll most certainly consider what's reported then.",
">\n\n“Believe police versions” is what you’re saying.\nAt least be honest.",
">\n\nOne of the few articles that made me say “wtf”. Poor child.",
">\n\nSounds like she was under the influence of some drug. 😢",
">\n\nIt will only get worse as more and more unwanted children are born. Thanks supreme court!",
">\n\nSo glad this happened where it could be caught on camera and police were involved so this child can be take away!",
">\n\nI hate to say this, but that baby will probably die if the state does nothing.\nI hope they both get the help they need.",
">\n\nThere are many people in this thread committed to making sure the state is never allowed to stop child abuse. They support parental rights to kill, barbecue and eat their offspring in broad day light and nobody should even be allowed to mention that it's unsightly to eat dismembered children in the park. Those who mention that child abuse is bad will just be told that millions of dead children on yearly basis is worth it as long as it stops the state from overreaching itself once a century.",
">\n\nWhat the fuck is wrong with America, I feel like read shit like this every single day",
">\n\nIt’s because an awful lot of people are indeed, absolute trash. Wife working in retail has been an eye opener on just how many arrogant psychopathic mouth breathing, lazy, careless and vindictive people there are out there.\nYesterday a grown woman urinated on the floor of her store as part of throwing a tantrum because something was out of stock. \nSo many people just waste space in this world.",
">\n\nThe fuck man thats just unbelievable, I work in customer service as well and sympathize with you and your wife.",
">\n\nWell, I guess we know where that baby gets its shopping skills from. Hopefully it won't also inherit a penchant for kicking and punching walls... but only time will tell",
">\n\nThat baby was just saved. 🙏",
">\n\nMaybe it was just given to the family. They likely will treat the kid in a similar manner behaviour like that is learned. Also she was there shoplifting with her sister so that adds to my belief the kid is likely still in danger.",
">\n\nThis was a hard read, go to jail.",
">\n\n7 years of asset protection. I watched a woman try and beat police with her baby. One used the kid in a stroller as a battering ram with the poor baby’s head whipping back and forth. Stashing merchandise under the baby then yelling and screaming not to arrest them because they’re a mother. It was sick. The number of people using babies and children to steal or to try to get out of being arrested was appalling and I hated them each time I had to deal with it.",
">\n\nWas her baby's name Ike Broflovski?",
">\n\nIt should be as hard to have a child as it is to adopt a child or even a pet from a rescue .Simply having the physical capability of having a child does not make someone a parent ,and the fairytale that all women are nurturing is a lie. Not only should no one be forced to have a child ,it should not be a right to have one either."
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"That website is giving my browser cancer so here's the text for anyone else who can't get it to load properly.\n\nTETERBORO — A mother kicked her baby daughter and sent the child careening across the floor after shoplifting from Walmart, according to police.\nJamira McDaniel, 23, of Paterson, was caught stealing at the supercenter in Teterboro by Walmart theft protection personnel on Tuesday, Moonachie Police Lt. Jeff Napolitano confirmed to New Jersey 101.5.\nMcDaniel was with her 1-year-old girl and the child's aunt.\nAfter she was taken to the store's security office, McDaniel placed the baby girl on the ground and kicked her in the back, Napolitano said. The toddler was sent across the floor and into the security office.\nAccording to Napolitano, the incident was caught on security cameras. He said video of the kick was turned over to Bergen County court but was not yet publicly available.\nThe theft protection workers then picked up the inconsolable child, handed her to McDaniel's sister, and called the police.\n\"McDaniel, upset by the girl who was now screaming and crying while being held by her aunt, began punching walls and yelling for the baby to stop crying,\" Napolitano explained. \"McDaniel also grabbed the baby and began to shake her while she was being held by her aunt.\"\nMoonachie cops soon arrived at the store and called an ambulance to evaluate the baby. Fortunately, first responders found the child was uninjured.\nThe mother is charged with endangering the welfare of a child, assault, shoplifting, and criminal mischief, according to Napolitano.\nMcDaniel was sent to Bergen County jail, which is where she remains as of Wednesday evening. The aunt was not charged and the child was given to family members.\n\nGod help that poor baby.",
">\n\nSome people really need to not have kids",
">\n\nMore people should have abortions. If someone cannot or doesn’t want to raise a child abortion should be the first choice. Bringing children into this world only for them to suffer is awful. So many wind up in the foster system and no one adopts them then they age out. Then you have adults who have no family or resources and continue to suffer. \nAnytime someone says abortion is bad and they should just birth the child and give it up for adoption should be required to take one of those children into their homes. \nCausing unwavering suffering of another living being is immoral.",
">\n\nI absolutely agree but there is also a large subset of people that WANT to have kids but are still completely awful parents.",
">\n\nHence, the reverse abortion! A simple way to solve these issues",
">\n\nWhat's a reverse abortion? Shoving the child back up the coochie and into the uterus?? \nMaybe I'm just super dumb today and drank too much or too little coffee, but I really don't know what a reverse abortion would be. \nAm I going to feel really stupid when you tell me? If so, that's ok, just tell me anyway, I'm used to feeling stupid.",
">\n\nInstead of aborting babies, abort the parents",
">\n\nCan you legally abort a baby after 18 years?",
">\n\nSometimes I ask my mom if she would feel comfortable having a 124th trimester abortion. My brother is not working out.",
">\n\nReading that article, it sounds like being a shoplifter is the best thing about her.",
">\n\nWhen my kids were little I found it almost impossible to read articles like this. They would stick with me for days or weeks. \nI really hope that baby ends up in a loving home because game fucking over for mom.",
">\n\nI have a 1½‐year-old and reading this makes me want to cry.",
">\n\nSame. I just can’t read anything like this, it’s so horrifying. And I just hold my kiddo and cry and then be sad I can’t love all the babies and protect them all. \nKids are just so freaking pure and good and they just want to be loved and safe like that’s it man. How could you do something to something so innocent?",
">\n\nReading your comment, in contrast to OP’s horror inducing title, legit just brought a tear to my eye. Makes me hug my kiddos extra just thinking about it!",
">\n\nIf she kicks and shakes the baby in public, I can’t imagine what she does to that poor child at home. Disgusting woman.",
">\n\nAbortion should be legal so we can make sure this woman never existed.",
">\n\nWe should be able to abort the mother in this instance.",
">\n\nThat’s… that’s what he just inferred",
">\n\nDoesn't hurt to drive the point home",
">\n\nYou see horrible parenting in a walmart any day, but this is is, I think, the worst I've heard of. I hope she doesn't get that poor kid back.",
">\n\nUnfortunately, in this circumstance, it's better for her to do this shit in public and get caught so the baby (and other possible kids) gets taken away. If that's what she does in public, imagine what she does behind closed doors.",
">\n\nHoly fuck, Adblock on Firefox shows 450+ blocked on that website alone???",
">\n\nNow do you see why everyone on reddit is losing their mind over the news that Chrome is preventing ad block.\nIf you haven't switched to Firefox or something else, you might want to start test driving a few browsers because good LORD you have no idea how bad things are without ad block.",
">\n\nPiece of trash. Even reading the article boils my blood.",
">\n\nDefinitely r/iamatotalpieceofshit material",
">\n\nThank god she showed her true abusive colours while on camera and in front of everyone. Now the kid will be protected from her and serious injury/trauma prevented.",
">\n\nI hope this baby finds her way to a loving and caring mother, and I hope this lady gets the mental help she needs.",
">\n\nYea and maybe my mom will quit drinking and my dad will come home.",
">\n\nHope is sometimes all we have",
">\n\nMy best friend’s mom was a foster parent for many years. She was well known by DFACS for taking in their most difficult cases, children of severe abuse, often arriving in the middle of the night with nothing more than the clothes on their backs. She didn’t have a lot of money, bit she somehow made due for all of the kids. She was practical and no nonsense, pragmatic and loving. I learned a lot about how to stretch a dollar to make struggle meals from her. Full bellies and full hearts.\nWhen I was a new mother, she was my lifeline. I knew nothing about babies and she patiently taught me what I needed to know. She talked me through my son’s first bath over the telephone, I was exhausted from lack of sleep because my baby had severe colic. And, Ms S would gather him into her arms and rock him in her special creaky rocking chair. And, he fell into a blissful and untroubled sleep. She was truly a baby whisperer. \nHer heart and soul were devoted to children who were victims of horrific abuse. She took in a toddler who had spent much of his young life living in a cage. He was non verbal and unable to walk. After several years, she brought him up to nearly his age level. He was walking and verbal. The state stepped in and returned him to his newly “reformed” mother.\nHe was returned to Ms S a year later, with severe setbacks. She did everything that she could for this boy. Bit, when the state took him back again, she was done. Eventually, her remaining kids aged out of the system.\nAnyway, long ass story. Please forgive me for this. I’m just thinking about the little girl from this story and hoping that she lands in the lap of a Ms S in a special creaky rocking chair and comes to know comfort from a truly caring person and never has to be returned to an uncaring and abusive ”mother”.\nRIP Ms S for being the only real mom to many kids and for being a very special Grandmom to my kids . Never forgotten and always remembered.",
">\n\nCool story man. She sounds like a fantastic person",
">\n\nI swear i think i live next to this woman... Always screaming and swearing at her kids at the top of her lungs...",
">\n\nCall cps. Lived in a similar situation awhile back. I was afraid to call, wish I would be called earlier looking back at it.",
">\n\nDealt with CPS as a child growing up. They don’t care. My parents would have gone to jail had i been an animal and they were just as abusive. Especially if the child has no other family nearby to take em.",
">\n\nSounds awful for you. Im really sorry. As far as CPS goes I didn’t know what else do to, any ideas in case I find myself in a similar situation?\nNot too long after I called they moved out in the middle of the night and left their dog behind. Wish they would have left the kids wouldve adopted them too. \nHope you’re doing good now internet stranger.",
">\n\nShe obviously can't be trusted with her child, but I hope she gets the help that she clearly needs.",
">\n\nShe obviously hates the child and doesn't know how to take care of it so it should be taken and given to somebody who can take care of it and appreciate it. \nIt really makes me sick that there's people out there that struggle to get pregnant and want so desperately to have babies... And then you have this woman who decides to use her baby like a football. 🙄",
">\n\nYeah I hear kangaroos will throw their babies out to escape",
">\n\nI’m not advocating for violence, but the blunt end of a shingler’s hatchet works wonders as an attitude-correction tool.",
">\n\nThat's very Walmart of her",
">\n\ndead kid walking\nmom will get a slap on the wrist, at some point the courts will agree to a reunification plan, mom gets kid back\nmom and her boyfriend beat kid to death after starving it and abusing it for it's short miserable life",
">\n\nThat is such an extremely disgusting act to do. Baby deserves better than that.",
">\n\nSomeone is about to lose her parental rights.",
">\n\nI really wish I never clicked on this post. Not everyone is fit to be a parent.",
">\n\nThe charges aren’t severe enough. “Endangering the welfare?” A kick from an adult can kill a one year old baby…\nShe needs to go to prison for good.",
">\n\nI expect a lot of stories like this over the next decade as abortion restrictions lead to people who aren't prepared for kids to become parents.",
">\n\nCan we not link everything that and instead focus on the fact this a shitty person instead?",
">\n\nok and abortion reduces the number of shitty people having children. it is all related.",
">\n\nThere is no guarantee shitty people would go about it. They still have to want to do it during a very limited window.",
">\n\nJust pure numbers, more abortions mean at least one less shitty person having kids",
">\n\nJust read the article, I hope the baby is safe, taken out of her custody permanently, and this vile bitch is spayed like a stray dog and thrown into jail for 5-7 years. (I'm aware that won't happen) Fucking worst type of human. Disgusting and reprehensible behavior.",
">\n\nWatch the downfall of Mankind: Go to r/publicfreakout search \"WalMart\"... \"Waffle House\", \"MacDonald's\" and \"Starbucks\" will suffice also.",
">\n\nI can't be the only who thinks it's interesting as a society we have to take have qualifications for certain jobs but to be a parent.. fuck it, you don't need training at all.. seems a little fucked up",
">\n\nThere are evil assholes in this thread saying that people have a god-given right to have, kill, barbecue and eat their own children. They claim it's \"freedom from state over-reach\", but it means they want to kill, barbecue and eat children with zero consequences. Child abuse is common in this world. My own father beat me until I put him in the hospital and then never saw him again. These assholes want to make sure fathers are allowed to beat their children freely, and that any child who defends themself is punished. Fuck those people!\nThe state has a role in protecting children. And anyone against it is an enemy of decency.",
">\n\nPaterson, NJ. No surprise....",
">\n\nThe surprise is it’s not Florida.",
">\n\nAnother baby mama loses her child. Don't worry; she'll make more.",
">\n\nThat is not a mom, this is a piece of trash that let some guy rawdog her.",
">\n\nSpay her and lock her up for ten years. In no way should she ever be in a position to bring more children into the world to abuse. \nWhat hasn't been caught on camera in this woman's home? What emotional damage has already been inflicted prior that might not be able to be fixed?",
">\n\nLike the quokka, shoplifters are known to throw their offspring down to bait predators and increase the chances of escape.",
">\n\nPrison and throw away the key",
">\n\nBruh that’s a rough 23 😬",
">\n\nSo a typical Walmart outing",
">\n\nI think this is the appropriate use of the phrase \"that woman is a cunt\".",
">\n\nLast minute effort to clinch the Mother of the Year Award?",
">\n\nThe Quokka defense rarely works for humans.",
">\n\nSo… another normal day at any American Walmart then?",
">\n\nFrankly the supreme court really messed us all up. But what we have here is someone that is obviously to unstable to be a parent.",
">\n\nWould be really hard to watch this and not punch that cunt in the face repeatedly. Maybe a kick or two as well.",
">\n\nIf she’s willing to do that in public, I can’t even fathom what she would do to that child at home.",
">\n\nThey call this a Soccer mom.",
">\n\nThrow her trashy ass in jail",
">\n\nI read stuff like this and realize some people aren’t worthy of living. Hope the kid turns out alright because she’s not worthy of anything.",
">\n\nThe cycle continues for that family. Always remember you can be the one to change things but it takes patience which I think is something that should be stressed a lot more but isn't. If you don't have patience then you won't be able to deal with a screaming 1-year-old. It's that simple.",
">\n\n\"Kick the baby!\" - Kyle Broflovski",
">\n\nThis is a horrifically damaged person. In no way do I excuse her abuse of this poor little baby, though.",
">\n\nYes, yes, bad mother, poor child and all that. Clearly this lady has some issues and very likely needs professional psychiatric help. Or maybe she's just a narcissistic, entitled asshole. Either way she should've never been saddled with a child.",
">\n\ni wish you weren't being downvoted, because obviously this woman has some issues, and the age of the child indicates that it could be postpartum depression, which is not nothing. or, like you said, she could just be an asshole. \nscreaming and punching a wall because a baby was crying? that is definitely not normal. obviously it's horrible that the baby has been abused, and thankfully it is physically okay from this assault, but the mom obviously needs help.",
">\n\nYeah, people in this thread are clamoring for her to be thrown in jail but that really isnt gonna solve anything (shed probably come out worse).\nShes clearly not all there.",
">\n\nand i'm getting downvoted for saying she needs help, lol what.",
">\n\nYou're being down voted for worrying about the wrong person. The child is the one that needs compassion. The abusers needs are less important.",
">\n\nMost Walmart sentence ever.",
">\n\nI obviously know nothing of this woman and her history but uncharacteristic rage and unfortunately in some cases violent outbursts can be a sign of postpartum depression. Hormones can do crazy things.",
">\n\nYou and her both need to walk into traffic",
">\n\nSeems like a solid way to deal with mental illness? Postpartum depression is a very real thing and can make people act in uncharacteristic ways.",
">\n\nQueue up the Janes Addiction",
">\n\nSay what you mean.",
">\n\nIt’s right there ^",
">\n\nI guess you got too embarrassed or downvoted and deleted it right after that comment eh?",
">\n\nNope. It’s all right there still.",
">\n\nIt says deleted clear as day, but alright. I’ll just look up the edits because I’m curious.",
">\n\nNothing was deleted by me and still shows so 🤷🏻♂️",
">\n\nThis isn’t fucking news Jesus Christ",
">\n\nAm I the only one whose second thought after “how can you do that to your baby” was “why is this article especially the headline putting shoplifting on the same level with doing that to your baby?”\nI’m not one of those people who thinks shoplifting is cool or whatever but…this is some really blatant “arson, murder, and jaywalking” stuff.",
">\n\nHow is the headline putting the crimes on the same level? It's literally just the events that happened, a mom who was shoplifting kicked her baby after being caught. The headline is not trying to equate assaulting a baby with shoplifting.",
">\n\nIt mentioned the shoplifting before kicking the baby (really burying the lede there).",
">\n\nBecause it happened during a confrontation with security guards.",
">\n\nIsn’t shopping at Walmart in itself shoplifting?",
">\n\nI can't imagine that the others in that room would have a very different story. Let's hear your defense of this woman's actions.",
">\n\nBecause at the moment, that's what makes the most sense given the information at hand.\nYou, on the other hand, are going exactly the opposite direction. You're essentially blaming the police without any evidence.\nHow about we all wait for now information before passing any judgement on anyone?",
">\n\nLook back and point to the statement that “blames police” for me.\nOf course it’s the “information at hand”; they have a vested interest in making it available.\nI’m literally saying “you only have one side of the argument” and you (and many others) are downvoting for even suggesting that very thing.",
">\n\n\nWhy give police the benefit of the doubt?\nWhy give the police version the benefit of the doubt?\n\nStating that twice really makes you look like you're saying the police are the problem, here. The police weren't involved at the start. The article says they were called later. Have you reason to doubt that part of the story? Do you think they were there from the start and that they made her kick the baby? Or maybe that a cop did that and they are trying to blame it on her to absolve themselves? In front of the witnesses at the scene? It's a leap that didn't make sense to me. Unless you have more information than is in the article...\nI find the information in the article, as presented, a reasonable place to start. If I see more coming out of this in coming days that showed the police did something wrong, I'll most certainly consider what's reported then.",
">\n\n“Believe police versions” is what you’re saying.\nAt least be honest.",
">\n\nOne of the few articles that made me say “wtf”. Poor child.",
">\n\nSounds like she was under the influence of some drug. 😢",
">\n\nIt will only get worse as more and more unwanted children are born. Thanks supreme court!",
">\n\nSo glad this happened where it could be caught on camera and police were involved so this child can be take away!",
">\n\nI hate to say this, but that baby will probably die if the state does nothing.\nI hope they both get the help they need.",
">\n\nThere are many people in this thread committed to making sure the state is never allowed to stop child abuse. They support parental rights to kill, barbecue and eat their offspring in broad day light and nobody should even be allowed to mention that it's unsightly to eat dismembered children in the park. Those who mention that child abuse is bad will just be told that millions of dead children on yearly basis is worth it as long as it stops the state from overreaching itself once a century.",
">\n\nWhat the fuck is wrong with America, I feel like read shit like this every single day",
">\n\nIt’s because an awful lot of people are indeed, absolute trash. Wife working in retail has been an eye opener on just how many arrogant psychopathic mouth breathing, lazy, careless and vindictive people there are out there.\nYesterday a grown woman urinated on the floor of her store as part of throwing a tantrum because something was out of stock. \nSo many people just waste space in this world.",
">\n\nThe fuck man thats just unbelievable, I work in customer service as well and sympathize with you and your wife.",
">\n\nWell, I guess we know where that baby gets its shopping skills from. Hopefully it won't also inherit a penchant for kicking and punching walls... but only time will tell",
">\n\nThat baby was just saved. 🙏",
">\n\nMaybe it was just given to the family. They likely will treat the kid in a similar manner behaviour like that is learned. Also she was there shoplifting with her sister so that adds to my belief the kid is likely still in danger.",
">\n\nThis was a hard read, go to jail.",
">\n\n7 years of asset protection. I watched a woman try and beat police with her baby. One used the kid in a stroller as a battering ram with the poor baby’s head whipping back and forth. Stashing merchandise under the baby then yelling and screaming not to arrest them because they’re a mother. It was sick. The number of people using babies and children to steal or to try to get out of being arrested was appalling and I hated them each time I had to deal with it.",
">\n\nWas her baby's name Ike Broflovski?",
">\n\nIt should be as hard to have a child as it is to adopt a child or even a pet from a rescue .Simply having the physical capability of having a child does not make someone a parent ,and the fairytale that all women are nurturing is a lie. Not only should no one be forced to have a child ,it should not be a right to have one either.",
">\n\nNever trust what cops say about poor folks"
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"That website is giving my browser cancer so here's the text for anyone else who can't get it to load properly.\n\nTETERBORO — A mother kicked her baby daughter and sent the child careening across the floor after shoplifting from Walmart, according to police.\nJamira McDaniel, 23, of Paterson, was caught stealing at the supercenter in Teterboro by Walmart theft protection personnel on Tuesday, Moonachie Police Lt. Jeff Napolitano confirmed to New Jersey 101.5.\nMcDaniel was with her 1-year-old girl and the child's aunt.\nAfter she was taken to the store's security office, McDaniel placed the baby girl on the ground and kicked her in the back, Napolitano said. The toddler was sent across the floor and into the security office.\nAccording to Napolitano, the incident was caught on security cameras. He said video of the kick was turned over to Bergen County court but was not yet publicly available.\nThe theft protection workers then picked up the inconsolable child, handed her to McDaniel's sister, and called the police.\n\"McDaniel, upset by the girl who was now screaming and crying while being held by her aunt, began punching walls and yelling for the baby to stop crying,\" Napolitano explained. \"McDaniel also grabbed the baby and began to shake her while she was being held by her aunt.\"\nMoonachie cops soon arrived at the store and called an ambulance to evaluate the baby. Fortunately, first responders found the child was uninjured.\nThe mother is charged with endangering the welfare of a child, assault, shoplifting, and criminal mischief, according to Napolitano.\nMcDaniel was sent to Bergen County jail, which is where she remains as of Wednesday evening. The aunt was not charged and the child was given to family members.\n\nGod help that poor baby.",
">\n\nSome people really need to not have kids",
">\n\nMore people should have abortions. If someone cannot or doesn’t want to raise a child abortion should be the first choice. Bringing children into this world only for them to suffer is awful. So many wind up in the foster system and no one adopts them then they age out. Then you have adults who have no family or resources and continue to suffer. \nAnytime someone says abortion is bad and they should just birth the child and give it up for adoption should be required to take one of those children into their homes. \nCausing unwavering suffering of another living being is immoral.",
">\n\nI absolutely agree but there is also a large subset of people that WANT to have kids but are still completely awful parents.",
">\n\nHence, the reverse abortion! A simple way to solve these issues",
">\n\nWhat's a reverse abortion? Shoving the child back up the coochie and into the uterus?? \nMaybe I'm just super dumb today and drank too much or too little coffee, but I really don't know what a reverse abortion would be. \nAm I going to feel really stupid when you tell me? If so, that's ok, just tell me anyway, I'm used to feeling stupid.",
">\n\nInstead of aborting babies, abort the parents",
">\n\nCan you legally abort a baby after 18 years?",
">\n\nSometimes I ask my mom if she would feel comfortable having a 124th trimester abortion. My brother is not working out.",
">\n\nReading that article, it sounds like being a shoplifter is the best thing about her.",
">\n\nWhen my kids were little I found it almost impossible to read articles like this. They would stick with me for days or weeks. \nI really hope that baby ends up in a loving home because game fucking over for mom.",
">\n\nI have a 1½‐year-old and reading this makes me want to cry.",
">\n\nSame. I just can’t read anything like this, it’s so horrifying. And I just hold my kiddo and cry and then be sad I can’t love all the babies and protect them all. \nKids are just so freaking pure and good and they just want to be loved and safe like that’s it man. How could you do something to something so innocent?",
">\n\nReading your comment, in contrast to OP’s horror inducing title, legit just brought a tear to my eye. Makes me hug my kiddos extra just thinking about it!",
">\n\nIf she kicks and shakes the baby in public, I can’t imagine what she does to that poor child at home. Disgusting woman.",
">\n\nAbortion should be legal so we can make sure this woman never existed.",
">\n\nWe should be able to abort the mother in this instance.",
">\n\nThat’s… that’s what he just inferred",
">\n\nDoesn't hurt to drive the point home",
">\n\nYou see horrible parenting in a walmart any day, but this is is, I think, the worst I've heard of. I hope she doesn't get that poor kid back.",
">\n\nUnfortunately, in this circumstance, it's better for her to do this shit in public and get caught so the baby (and other possible kids) gets taken away. If that's what she does in public, imagine what she does behind closed doors.",
">\n\nHoly fuck, Adblock on Firefox shows 450+ blocked on that website alone???",
">\n\nNow do you see why everyone on reddit is losing their mind over the news that Chrome is preventing ad block.\nIf you haven't switched to Firefox or something else, you might want to start test driving a few browsers because good LORD you have no idea how bad things are without ad block.",
">\n\nPiece of trash. Even reading the article boils my blood.",
">\n\nDefinitely r/iamatotalpieceofshit material",
">\n\nThank god she showed her true abusive colours while on camera and in front of everyone. Now the kid will be protected from her and serious injury/trauma prevented.",
">\n\nI hope this baby finds her way to a loving and caring mother, and I hope this lady gets the mental help she needs.",
">\n\nYea and maybe my mom will quit drinking and my dad will come home.",
">\n\nHope is sometimes all we have",
">\n\nMy best friend’s mom was a foster parent for many years. She was well known by DFACS for taking in their most difficult cases, children of severe abuse, often arriving in the middle of the night with nothing more than the clothes on their backs. She didn’t have a lot of money, bit she somehow made due for all of the kids. She was practical and no nonsense, pragmatic and loving. I learned a lot about how to stretch a dollar to make struggle meals from her. Full bellies and full hearts.\nWhen I was a new mother, she was my lifeline. I knew nothing about babies and she patiently taught me what I needed to know. She talked me through my son’s first bath over the telephone, I was exhausted from lack of sleep because my baby had severe colic. And, Ms S would gather him into her arms and rock him in her special creaky rocking chair. And, he fell into a blissful and untroubled sleep. She was truly a baby whisperer. \nHer heart and soul were devoted to children who were victims of horrific abuse. She took in a toddler who had spent much of his young life living in a cage. He was non verbal and unable to walk. After several years, she brought him up to nearly his age level. He was walking and verbal. The state stepped in and returned him to his newly “reformed” mother.\nHe was returned to Ms S a year later, with severe setbacks. She did everything that she could for this boy. Bit, when the state took him back again, she was done. Eventually, her remaining kids aged out of the system.\nAnyway, long ass story. Please forgive me for this. I’m just thinking about the little girl from this story and hoping that she lands in the lap of a Ms S in a special creaky rocking chair and comes to know comfort from a truly caring person and never has to be returned to an uncaring and abusive ”mother”.\nRIP Ms S for being the only real mom to many kids and for being a very special Grandmom to my kids . Never forgotten and always remembered.",
">\n\nCool story man. She sounds like a fantastic person",
">\n\nI swear i think i live next to this woman... Always screaming and swearing at her kids at the top of her lungs...",
">\n\nCall cps. Lived in a similar situation awhile back. I was afraid to call, wish I would be called earlier looking back at it.",
">\n\nDealt with CPS as a child growing up. They don’t care. My parents would have gone to jail had i been an animal and they were just as abusive. Especially if the child has no other family nearby to take em.",
">\n\nSounds awful for you. Im really sorry. As far as CPS goes I didn’t know what else do to, any ideas in case I find myself in a similar situation?\nNot too long after I called they moved out in the middle of the night and left their dog behind. Wish they would have left the kids wouldve adopted them too. \nHope you’re doing good now internet stranger.",
">\n\nShe obviously can't be trusted with her child, but I hope she gets the help that she clearly needs.",
">\n\nShe obviously hates the child and doesn't know how to take care of it so it should be taken and given to somebody who can take care of it and appreciate it. \nIt really makes me sick that there's people out there that struggle to get pregnant and want so desperately to have babies... And then you have this woman who decides to use her baby like a football. 🙄",
">\n\nYeah I hear kangaroos will throw their babies out to escape",
">\n\nI’m not advocating for violence, but the blunt end of a shingler’s hatchet works wonders as an attitude-correction tool.",
">\n\nThat's very Walmart of her",
">\n\ndead kid walking\nmom will get a slap on the wrist, at some point the courts will agree to a reunification plan, mom gets kid back\nmom and her boyfriend beat kid to death after starving it and abusing it for it's short miserable life",
">\n\nThat is such an extremely disgusting act to do. Baby deserves better than that.",
">\n\nSomeone is about to lose her parental rights.",
">\n\nI really wish I never clicked on this post. Not everyone is fit to be a parent.",
">\n\nThe charges aren’t severe enough. “Endangering the welfare?” A kick from an adult can kill a one year old baby…\nShe needs to go to prison for good.",
">\n\nI expect a lot of stories like this over the next decade as abortion restrictions lead to people who aren't prepared for kids to become parents.",
">\n\nCan we not link everything that and instead focus on the fact this a shitty person instead?",
">\n\nok and abortion reduces the number of shitty people having children. it is all related.",
">\n\nThere is no guarantee shitty people would go about it. They still have to want to do it during a very limited window.",
">\n\nJust pure numbers, more abortions mean at least one less shitty person having kids",
">\n\nJust read the article, I hope the baby is safe, taken out of her custody permanently, and this vile bitch is spayed like a stray dog and thrown into jail for 5-7 years. (I'm aware that won't happen) Fucking worst type of human. Disgusting and reprehensible behavior.",
">\n\nWatch the downfall of Mankind: Go to r/publicfreakout search \"WalMart\"... \"Waffle House\", \"MacDonald's\" and \"Starbucks\" will suffice also.",
">\n\nI can't be the only who thinks it's interesting as a society we have to take have qualifications for certain jobs but to be a parent.. fuck it, you don't need training at all.. seems a little fucked up",
">\n\nThere are evil assholes in this thread saying that people have a god-given right to have, kill, barbecue and eat their own children. They claim it's \"freedom from state over-reach\", but it means they want to kill, barbecue and eat children with zero consequences. Child abuse is common in this world. My own father beat me until I put him in the hospital and then never saw him again. These assholes want to make sure fathers are allowed to beat their children freely, and that any child who defends themself is punished. Fuck those people!\nThe state has a role in protecting children. And anyone against it is an enemy of decency.",
">\n\nPaterson, NJ. No surprise....",
">\n\nThe surprise is it’s not Florida.",
">\n\nAnother baby mama loses her child. Don't worry; she'll make more.",
">\n\nThat is not a mom, this is a piece of trash that let some guy rawdog her.",
">\n\nSpay her and lock her up for ten years. In no way should she ever be in a position to bring more children into the world to abuse. \nWhat hasn't been caught on camera in this woman's home? What emotional damage has already been inflicted prior that might not be able to be fixed?",
">\n\nLike the quokka, shoplifters are known to throw their offspring down to bait predators and increase the chances of escape.",
">\n\nPrison and throw away the key",
">\n\nBruh that’s a rough 23 😬",
">\n\nSo a typical Walmart outing",
">\n\nI think this is the appropriate use of the phrase \"that woman is a cunt\".",
">\n\nLast minute effort to clinch the Mother of the Year Award?",
">\n\nThe Quokka defense rarely works for humans.",
">\n\nSo… another normal day at any American Walmart then?",
">\n\nFrankly the supreme court really messed us all up. But what we have here is someone that is obviously to unstable to be a parent.",
">\n\nWould be really hard to watch this and not punch that cunt in the face repeatedly. Maybe a kick or two as well.",
">\n\nIf she’s willing to do that in public, I can’t even fathom what she would do to that child at home.",
">\n\nThey call this a Soccer mom.",
">\n\nThrow her trashy ass in jail",
">\n\nI read stuff like this and realize some people aren’t worthy of living. Hope the kid turns out alright because she’s not worthy of anything.",
">\n\nThe cycle continues for that family. Always remember you can be the one to change things but it takes patience which I think is something that should be stressed a lot more but isn't. If you don't have patience then you won't be able to deal with a screaming 1-year-old. It's that simple.",
">\n\n\"Kick the baby!\" - Kyle Broflovski",
">\n\nThis is a horrifically damaged person. In no way do I excuse her abuse of this poor little baby, though.",
">\n\nYes, yes, bad mother, poor child and all that. Clearly this lady has some issues and very likely needs professional psychiatric help. Or maybe she's just a narcissistic, entitled asshole. Either way she should've never been saddled with a child.",
">\n\ni wish you weren't being downvoted, because obviously this woman has some issues, and the age of the child indicates that it could be postpartum depression, which is not nothing. or, like you said, she could just be an asshole. \nscreaming and punching a wall because a baby was crying? that is definitely not normal. obviously it's horrible that the baby has been abused, and thankfully it is physically okay from this assault, but the mom obviously needs help.",
">\n\nYeah, people in this thread are clamoring for her to be thrown in jail but that really isnt gonna solve anything (shed probably come out worse).\nShes clearly not all there.",
">\n\nand i'm getting downvoted for saying she needs help, lol what.",
">\n\nYou're being down voted for worrying about the wrong person. The child is the one that needs compassion. The abusers needs are less important.",
">\n\nMost Walmart sentence ever.",
">\n\nI obviously know nothing of this woman and her history but uncharacteristic rage and unfortunately in some cases violent outbursts can be a sign of postpartum depression. Hormones can do crazy things.",
">\n\nYou and her both need to walk into traffic",
">\n\nSeems like a solid way to deal with mental illness? Postpartum depression is a very real thing and can make people act in uncharacteristic ways.",
">\n\nQueue up the Janes Addiction",
">\n\nSay what you mean.",
">\n\nIt’s right there ^",
">\n\nI guess you got too embarrassed or downvoted and deleted it right after that comment eh?",
">\n\nNope. It’s all right there still.",
">\n\nIt says deleted clear as day, but alright. I’ll just look up the edits because I’m curious.",
">\n\nNothing was deleted by me and still shows so 🤷🏻♂️",
">\n\nThis isn’t fucking news Jesus Christ",
">\n\nAm I the only one whose second thought after “how can you do that to your baby” was “why is this article especially the headline putting shoplifting on the same level with doing that to your baby?”\nI’m not one of those people who thinks shoplifting is cool or whatever but…this is some really blatant “arson, murder, and jaywalking” stuff.",
">\n\nHow is the headline putting the crimes on the same level? It's literally just the events that happened, a mom who was shoplifting kicked her baby after being caught. The headline is not trying to equate assaulting a baby with shoplifting.",
">\n\nIt mentioned the shoplifting before kicking the baby (really burying the lede there).",
">\n\nBecause it happened during a confrontation with security guards.",
">\n\nIsn’t shopping at Walmart in itself shoplifting?",
">\n\nI can't imagine that the others in that room would have a very different story. Let's hear your defense of this woman's actions.",
">\n\nBecause at the moment, that's what makes the most sense given the information at hand.\nYou, on the other hand, are going exactly the opposite direction. You're essentially blaming the police without any evidence.\nHow about we all wait for now information before passing any judgement on anyone?",
">\n\nLook back and point to the statement that “blames police” for me.\nOf course it’s the “information at hand”; they have a vested interest in making it available.\nI’m literally saying “you only have one side of the argument” and you (and many others) are downvoting for even suggesting that very thing.",
">\n\n\nWhy give police the benefit of the doubt?\nWhy give the police version the benefit of the doubt?\n\nStating that twice really makes you look like you're saying the police are the problem, here. The police weren't involved at the start. The article says they were called later. Have you reason to doubt that part of the story? Do you think they were there from the start and that they made her kick the baby? Or maybe that a cop did that and they are trying to blame it on her to absolve themselves? In front of the witnesses at the scene? It's a leap that didn't make sense to me. Unless you have more information than is in the article...\nI find the information in the article, as presented, a reasonable place to start. If I see more coming out of this in coming days that showed the police did something wrong, I'll most certainly consider what's reported then.",
">\n\n“Believe police versions” is what you’re saying.\nAt least be honest.",
">\n\nOne of the few articles that made me say “wtf”. Poor child.",
">\n\nSounds like she was under the influence of some drug. 😢",
">\n\nIt will only get worse as more and more unwanted children are born. Thanks supreme court!",
">\n\nSo glad this happened where it could be caught on camera and police were involved so this child can be take away!",
">\n\nI hate to say this, but that baby will probably die if the state does nothing.\nI hope they both get the help they need.",
">\n\nThere are many people in this thread committed to making sure the state is never allowed to stop child abuse. They support parental rights to kill, barbecue and eat their offspring in broad day light and nobody should even be allowed to mention that it's unsightly to eat dismembered children in the park. Those who mention that child abuse is bad will just be told that millions of dead children on yearly basis is worth it as long as it stops the state from overreaching itself once a century.",
">\n\nWhat the fuck is wrong with America, I feel like read shit like this every single day",
">\n\nIt’s because an awful lot of people are indeed, absolute trash. Wife working in retail has been an eye opener on just how many arrogant psychopathic mouth breathing, lazy, careless and vindictive people there are out there.\nYesterday a grown woman urinated on the floor of her store as part of throwing a tantrum because something was out of stock. \nSo many people just waste space in this world.",
">\n\nThe fuck man thats just unbelievable, I work in customer service as well and sympathize with you and your wife.",
">\n\nWell, I guess we know where that baby gets its shopping skills from. Hopefully it won't also inherit a penchant for kicking and punching walls... but only time will tell",
">\n\nThat baby was just saved. 🙏",
">\n\nMaybe it was just given to the family. They likely will treat the kid in a similar manner behaviour like that is learned. Also she was there shoplifting with her sister so that adds to my belief the kid is likely still in danger.",
">\n\nThis was a hard read, go to jail.",
">\n\n7 years of asset protection. I watched a woman try and beat police with her baby. One used the kid in a stroller as a battering ram with the poor baby’s head whipping back and forth. Stashing merchandise under the baby then yelling and screaming not to arrest them because they’re a mother. It was sick. The number of people using babies and children to steal or to try to get out of being arrested was appalling and I hated them each time I had to deal with it.",
">\n\nWas her baby's name Ike Broflovski?",
">\n\nIt should be as hard to have a child as it is to adopt a child or even a pet from a rescue .Simply having the physical capability of having a child does not make someone a parent ,and the fairytale that all women are nurturing is a lie. Not only should no one be forced to have a child ,it should not be a right to have one either.",
">\n\nNever trust what cops say about poor folks",
">\n\nExcept it was caught on the security camera"
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"That website is giving my browser cancer so here's the text for anyone else who can't get it to load properly.\n\nTETERBORO — A mother kicked her baby daughter and sent the child careening across the floor after shoplifting from Walmart, according to police.\nJamira McDaniel, 23, of Paterson, was caught stealing at the supercenter in Teterboro by Walmart theft protection personnel on Tuesday, Moonachie Police Lt. Jeff Napolitano confirmed to New Jersey 101.5.\nMcDaniel was with her 1-year-old girl and the child's aunt.\nAfter she was taken to the store's security office, McDaniel placed the baby girl on the ground and kicked her in the back, Napolitano said. The toddler was sent across the floor and into the security office.\nAccording to Napolitano, the incident was caught on security cameras. He said video of the kick was turned over to Bergen County court but was not yet publicly available.\nThe theft protection workers then picked up the inconsolable child, handed her to McDaniel's sister, and called the police.\n\"McDaniel, upset by the girl who was now screaming and crying while being held by her aunt, began punching walls and yelling for the baby to stop crying,\" Napolitano explained. \"McDaniel also grabbed the baby and began to shake her while she was being held by her aunt.\"\nMoonachie cops soon arrived at the store and called an ambulance to evaluate the baby. Fortunately, first responders found the child was uninjured.\nThe mother is charged with endangering the welfare of a child, assault, shoplifting, and criminal mischief, according to Napolitano.\nMcDaniel was sent to Bergen County jail, which is where she remains as of Wednesday evening. The aunt was not charged and the child was given to family members.\n\nGod help that poor baby.",
">\n\nSome people really need to not have kids",
">\n\nMore people should have abortions. If someone cannot or doesn’t want to raise a child abortion should be the first choice. Bringing children into this world only for them to suffer is awful. So many wind up in the foster system and no one adopts them then they age out. Then you have adults who have no family or resources and continue to suffer. \nAnytime someone says abortion is bad and they should just birth the child and give it up for adoption should be required to take one of those children into their homes. \nCausing unwavering suffering of another living being is immoral.",
">\n\nI absolutely agree but there is also a large subset of people that WANT to have kids but are still completely awful parents.",
">\n\nHence, the reverse abortion! A simple way to solve these issues",
">\n\nWhat's a reverse abortion? Shoving the child back up the coochie and into the uterus?? \nMaybe I'm just super dumb today and drank too much or too little coffee, but I really don't know what a reverse abortion would be. \nAm I going to feel really stupid when you tell me? If so, that's ok, just tell me anyway, I'm used to feeling stupid.",
">\n\nInstead of aborting babies, abort the parents",
">\n\nCan you legally abort a baby after 18 years?",
">\n\nSometimes I ask my mom if she would feel comfortable having a 124th trimester abortion. My brother is not working out.",
">\n\nReading that article, it sounds like being a shoplifter is the best thing about her.",
">\n\nWhen my kids were little I found it almost impossible to read articles like this. They would stick with me for days or weeks. \nI really hope that baby ends up in a loving home because game fucking over for mom.",
">\n\nI have a 1½‐year-old and reading this makes me want to cry.",
">\n\nSame. I just can’t read anything like this, it’s so horrifying. And I just hold my kiddo and cry and then be sad I can’t love all the babies and protect them all. \nKids are just so freaking pure and good and they just want to be loved and safe like that’s it man. How could you do something to something so innocent?",
">\n\nReading your comment, in contrast to OP’s horror inducing title, legit just brought a tear to my eye. Makes me hug my kiddos extra just thinking about it!",
">\n\nIf she kicks and shakes the baby in public, I can’t imagine what she does to that poor child at home. Disgusting woman.",
">\n\nAbortion should be legal so we can make sure this woman never existed.",
">\n\nWe should be able to abort the mother in this instance.",
">\n\nThat’s… that’s what he just inferred",
">\n\nDoesn't hurt to drive the point home",
">\n\nYou see horrible parenting in a walmart any day, but this is is, I think, the worst I've heard of. I hope she doesn't get that poor kid back.",
">\n\nUnfortunately, in this circumstance, it's better for her to do this shit in public and get caught so the baby (and other possible kids) gets taken away. If that's what she does in public, imagine what she does behind closed doors.",
">\n\nHoly fuck, Adblock on Firefox shows 450+ blocked on that website alone???",
">\n\nNow do you see why everyone on reddit is losing their mind over the news that Chrome is preventing ad block.\nIf you haven't switched to Firefox or something else, you might want to start test driving a few browsers because good LORD you have no idea how bad things are without ad block.",
">\n\nPiece of trash. Even reading the article boils my blood.",
">\n\nDefinitely r/iamatotalpieceofshit material",
">\n\nThank god she showed her true abusive colours while on camera and in front of everyone. Now the kid will be protected from her and serious injury/trauma prevented.",
">\n\nI hope this baby finds her way to a loving and caring mother, and I hope this lady gets the mental help she needs.",
">\n\nYea and maybe my mom will quit drinking and my dad will come home.",
">\n\nHope is sometimes all we have",
">\n\nMy best friend’s mom was a foster parent for many years. She was well known by DFACS for taking in their most difficult cases, children of severe abuse, often arriving in the middle of the night with nothing more than the clothes on their backs. She didn’t have a lot of money, bit she somehow made due for all of the kids. She was practical and no nonsense, pragmatic and loving. I learned a lot about how to stretch a dollar to make struggle meals from her. Full bellies and full hearts.\nWhen I was a new mother, she was my lifeline. I knew nothing about babies and she patiently taught me what I needed to know. She talked me through my son’s first bath over the telephone, I was exhausted from lack of sleep because my baby had severe colic. And, Ms S would gather him into her arms and rock him in her special creaky rocking chair. And, he fell into a blissful and untroubled sleep. She was truly a baby whisperer. \nHer heart and soul were devoted to children who were victims of horrific abuse. She took in a toddler who had spent much of his young life living in a cage. He was non verbal and unable to walk. After several years, she brought him up to nearly his age level. He was walking and verbal. The state stepped in and returned him to his newly “reformed” mother.\nHe was returned to Ms S a year later, with severe setbacks. She did everything that she could for this boy. Bit, when the state took him back again, she was done. Eventually, her remaining kids aged out of the system.\nAnyway, long ass story. Please forgive me for this. I’m just thinking about the little girl from this story and hoping that she lands in the lap of a Ms S in a special creaky rocking chair and comes to know comfort from a truly caring person and never has to be returned to an uncaring and abusive ”mother”.\nRIP Ms S for being the only real mom to many kids and for being a very special Grandmom to my kids . Never forgotten and always remembered.",
">\n\nCool story man. She sounds like a fantastic person",
">\n\nI swear i think i live next to this woman... Always screaming and swearing at her kids at the top of her lungs...",
">\n\nCall cps. Lived in a similar situation awhile back. I was afraid to call, wish I would be called earlier looking back at it.",
">\n\nDealt with CPS as a child growing up. They don’t care. My parents would have gone to jail had i been an animal and they were just as abusive. Especially if the child has no other family nearby to take em.",
">\n\nSounds awful for you. Im really sorry. As far as CPS goes I didn’t know what else do to, any ideas in case I find myself in a similar situation?\nNot too long after I called they moved out in the middle of the night and left their dog behind. Wish they would have left the kids wouldve adopted them too. \nHope you’re doing good now internet stranger.",
">\n\nShe obviously can't be trusted with her child, but I hope she gets the help that she clearly needs.",
">\n\nShe obviously hates the child and doesn't know how to take care of it so it should be taken and given to somebody who can take care of it and appreciate it. \nIt really makes me sick that there's people out there that struggle to get pregnant and want so desperately to have babies... And then you have this woman who decides to use her baby like a football. 🙄",
">\n\nYeah I hear kangaroos will throw their babies out to escape",
">\n\nI’m not advocating for violence, but the blunt end of a shingler’s hatchet works wonders as an attitude-correction tool.",
">\n\nThat's very Walmart of her",
">\n\ndead kid walking\nmom will get a slap on the wrist, at some point the courts will agree to a reunification plan, mom gets kid back\nmom and her boyfriend beat kid to death after starving it and abusing it for it's short miserable life",
">\n\nThat is such an extremely disgusting act to do. Baby deserves better than that.",
">\n\nSomeone is about to lose her parental rights.",
">\n\nI really wish I never clicked on this post. Not everyone is fit to be a parent.",
">\n\nThe charges aren’t severe enough. “Endangering the welfare?” A kick from an adult can kill a one year old baby…\nShe needs to go to prison for good.",
">\n\nI expect a lot of stories like this over the next decade as abortion restrictions lead to people who aren't prepared for kids to become parents.",
">\n\nCan we not link everything that and instead focus on the fact this a shitty person instead?",
">\n\nok and abortion reduces the number of shitty people having children. it is all related.",
">\n\nThere is no guarantee shitty people would go about it. They still have to want to do it during a very limited window.",
">\n\nJust pure numbers, more abortions mean at least one less shitty person having kids",
">\n\nJust read the article, I hope the baby is safe, taken out of her custody permanently, and this vile bitch is spayed like a stray dog and thrown into jail for 5-7 years. (I'm aware that won't happen) Fucking worst type of human. Disgusting and reprehensible behavior.",
">\n\nWatch the downfall of Mankind: Go to r/publicfreakout search \"WalMart\"... \"Waffle House\", \"MacDonald's\" and \"Starbucks\" will suffice also.",
">\n\nI can't be the only who thinks it's interesting as a society we have to take have qualifications for certain jobs but to be a parent.. fuck it, you don't need training at all.. seems a little fucked up",
">\n\nThere are evil assholes in this thread saying that people have a god-given right to have, kill, barbecue and eat their own children. They claim it's \"freedom from state over-reach\", but it means they want to kill, barbecue and eat children with zero consequences. Child abuse is common in this world. My own father beat me until I put him in the hospital and then never saw him again. These assholes want to make sure fathers are allowed to beat their children freely, and that any child who defends themself is punished. Fuck those people!\nThe state has a role in protecting children. And anyone against it is an enemy of decency.",
">\n\nPaterson, NJ. No surprise....",
">\n\nThe surprise is it’s not Florida.",
">\n\nAnother baby mama loses her child. Don't worry; she'll make more.",
">\n\nThat is not a mom, this is a piece of trash that let some guy rawdog her.",
">\n\nSpay her and lock her up for ten years. In no way should she ever be in a position to bring more children into the world to abuse. \nWhat hasn't been caught on camera in this woman's home? What emotional damage has already been inflicted prior that might not be able to be fixed?",
">\n\nLike the quokka, shoplifters are known to throw their offspring down to bait predators and increase the chances of escape.",
">\n\nPrison and throw away the key",
">\n\nBruh that’s a rough 23 😬",
">\n\nSo a typical Walmart outing",
">\n\nI think this is the appropriate use of the phrase \"that woman is a cunt\".",
">\n\nLast minute effort to clinch the Mother of the Year Award?",
">\n\nThe Quokka defense rarely works for humans.",
">\n\nSo… another normal day at any American Walmart then?",
">\n\nFrankly the supreme court really messed us all up. But what we have here is someone that is obviously to unstable to be a parent.",
">\n\nWould be really hard to watch this and not punch that cunt in the face repeatedly. Maybe a kick or two as well.",
">\n\nIf she’s willing to do that in public, I can’t even fathom what she would do to that child at home.",
">\n\nThey call this a Soccer mom.",
">\n\nThrow her trashy ass in jail",
">\n\nI read stuff like this and realize some people aren’t worthy of living. Hope the kid turns out alright because she’s not worthy of anything.",
">\n\nThe cycle continues for that family. Always remember you can be the one to change things but it takes patience which I think is something that should be stressed a lot more but isn't. If you don't have patience then you won't be able to deal with a screaming 1-year-old. It's that simple.",
">\n\n\"Kick the baby!\" - Kyle Broflovski",
">\n\nThis is a horrifically damaged person. In no way do I excuse her abuse of this poor little baby, though.",
">\n\nYes, yes, bad mother, poor child and all that. Clearly this lady has some issues and very likely needs professional psychiatric help. Or maybe she's just a narcissistic, entitled asshole. Either way she should've never been saddled with a child.",
">\n\ni wish you weren't being downvoted, because obviously this woman has some issues, and the age of the child indicates that it could be postpartum depression, which is not nothing. or, like you said, she could just be an asshole. \nscreaming and punching a wall because a baby was crying? that is definitely not normal. obviously it's horrible that the baby has been abused, and thankfully it is physically okay from this assault, but the mom obviously needs help.",
">\n\nYeah, people in this thread are clamoring for her to be thrown in jail but that really isnt gonna solve anything (shed probably come out worse).\nShes clearly not all there.",
">\n\nand i'm getting downvoted for saying she needs help, lol what.",
">\n\nYou're being down voted for worrying about the wrong person. The child is the one that needs compassion. The abusers needs are less important.",
">\n\nMost Walmart sentence ever.",
">\n\nI obviously know nothing of this woman and her history but uncharacteristic rage and unfortunately in some cases violent outbursts can be a sign of postpartum depression. Hormones can do crazy things.",
">\n\nYou and her both need to walk into traffic",
">\n\nSeems like a solid way to deal with mental illness? Postpartum depression is a very real thing and can make people act in uncharacteristic ways.",
">\n\nQueue up the Janes Addiction",
">\n\nSay what you mean.",
">\n\nIt’s right there ^",
">\n\nI guess you got too embarrassed or downvoted and deleted it right after that comment eh?",
">\n\nNope. It’s all right there still.",
">\n\nIt says deleted clear as day, but alright. I’ll just look up the edits because I’m curious.",
">\n\nNothing was deleted by me and still shows so 🤷🏻♂️",
">\n\nThis isn’t fucking news Jesus Christ",
">\n\nAm I the only one whose second thought after “how can you do that to your baby” was “why is this article especially the headline putting shoplifting on the same level with doing that to your baby?”\nI’m not one of those people who thinks shoplifting is cool or whatever but…this is some really blatant “arson, murder, and jaywalking” stuff.",
">\n\nHow is the headline putting the crimes on the same level? It's literally just the events that happened, a mom who was shoplifting kicked her baby after being caught. The headline is not trying to equate assaulting a baby with shoplifting.",
">\n\nIt mentioned the shoplifting before kicking the baby (really burying the lede there).",
">\n\nBecause it happened during a confrontation with security guards.",
">\n\nIsn’t shopping at Walmart in itself shoplifting?",
">\n\nI can't imagine that the others in that room would have a very different story. Let's hear your defense of this woman's actions.",
">\n\nBecause at the moment, that's what makes the most sense given the information at hand.\nYou, on the other hand, are going exactly the opposite direction. You're essentially blaming the police without any evidence.\nHow about we all wait for now information before passing any judgement on anyone?",
">\n\nLook back and point to the statement that “blames police” for me.\nOf course it’s the “information at hand”; they have a vested interest in making it available.\nI’m literally saying “you only have one side of the argument” and you (and many others) are downvoting for even suggesting that very thing.",
">\n\n\nWhy give police the benefit of the doubt?\nWhy give the police version the benefit of the doubt?\n\nStating that twice really makes you look like you're saying the police are the problem, here. The police weren't involved at the start. The article says they were called later. Have you reason to doubt that part of the story? Do you think they were there from the start and that they made her kick the baby? Or maybe that a cop did that and they are trying to blame it on her to absolve themselves? In front of the witnesses at the scene? It's a leap that didn't make sense to me. Unless you have more information than is in the article...\nI find the information in the article, as presented, a reasonable place to start. If I see more coming out of this in coming days that showed the police did something wrong, I'll most certainly consider what's reported then.",
">\n\n“Believe police versions” is what you’re saying.\nAt least be honest.",
">\n\nOne of the few articles that made me say “wtf”. Poor child.",
">\n\nSounds like she was under the influence of some drug. 😢",
">\n\nIt will only get worse as more and more unwanted children are born. Thanks supreme court!",
">\n\nSo glad this happened where it could be caught on camera and police were involved so this child can be take away!",
">\n\nI hate to say this, but that baby will probably die if the state does nothing.\nI hope they both get the help they need.",
">\n\nThere are many people in this thread committed to making sure the state is never allowed to stop child abuse. They support parental rights to kill, barbecue and eat their offspring in broad day light and nobody should even be allowed to mention that it's unsightly to eat dismembered children in the park. Those who mention that child abuse is bad will just be told that millions of dead children on yearly basis is worth it as long as it stops the state from overreaching itself once a century.",
">\n\nWhat the fuck is wrong with America, I feel like read shit like this every single day",
">\n\nIt’s because an awful lot of people are indeed, absolute trash. Wife working in retail has been an eye opener on just how many arrogant psychopathic mouth breathing, lazy, careless and vindictive people there are out there.\nYesterday a grown woman urinated on the floor of her store as part of throwing a tantrum because something was out of stock. \nSo many people just waste space in this world.",
">\n\nThe fuck man thats just unbelievable, I work in customer service as well and sympathize with you and your wife.",
">\n\nWell, I guess we know where that baby gets its shopping skills from. Hopefully it won't also inherit a penchant for kicking and punching walls... but only time will tell",
">\n\nThat baby was just saved. 🙏",
">\n\nMaybe it was just given to the family. They likely will treat the kid in a similar manner behaviour like that is learned. Also she was there shoplifting with her sister so that adds to my belief the kid is likely still in danger.",
">\n\nThis was a hard read, go to jail.",
">\n\n7 years of asset protection. I watched a woman try and beat police with her baby. One used the kid in a stroller as a battering ram with the poor baby’s head whipping back and forth. Stashing merchandise under the baby then yelling and screaming not to arrest them because they’re a mother. It was sick. The number of people using babies and children to steal or to try to get out of being arrested was appalling and I hated them each time I had to deal with it.",
">\n\nWas her baby's name Ike Broflovski?",
">\n\nIt should be as hard to have a child as it is to adopt a child or even a pet from a rescue .Simply having the physical capability of having a child does not make someone a parent ,and the fairytale that all women are nurturing is a lie. Not only should no one be forced to have a child ,it should not be a right to have one either.",
">\n\nNever trust what cops say about poor folks",
">\n\nExcept it was caught on the security camera",
">\n\nFootage that hasn't been released, for reasons.\nI see the video, I'll believe it, but in the absence of evidence, its a good bet to assume the cops are lying."
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I dislike Turkey as much as everyone else but to be honest its kinda weird to have a ban on arms sales to a country you are supposed to be in a military alliance with.
But i know other NATO countries have a ban on sales of weapons to Turkey and i dont know the backstory, so for all i know it could make sense.
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Turkey is the only NATO country with the S-400, which is a Russian anti-aircraft / anti-missile defense system. The response was to not sell Turkey advanced jets like the F-35 because the fear was the S-400 could be used to determine the F-35s' weaknesses and flaws - whether done overtly by Turkey, or covertly by Russia.
It should be noted there are a few other NATO countries that have the S-300 system (developed in the mid/late 2000s) which is still dangerous, but no longer cutting edge or as much as a threat to the more advanced fighters.
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IIRC it was a networking issue. The US did not want an f35 to be on the same network as a s400 setup.
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">\n\nTurkey is the only NATO country with the S-400, which is a Russian anti-aircraft / anti-missile defense system. The response was to not sell Turkey advanced jets like the F-35 because the fear was the S-400 could be used to determine the F-35s' weaknesses and flaws - whether done overtly by Turkey, or covertly by Russia.\nIt should be noted there are a few other NATO countries that have the S-300 system (developed in the mid/late 2000s) which is still dangerous, but no longer cutting edge or as much as a threat to the more advanced fighters."
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CBA to change that WiFi password 🤷
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"I dislike Turkey as much as everyone else but to be honest its kinda weird to have a ban on arms sales to a country you are supposed to be in a military alliance with. \nBut i know other NATO countries have a ban on sales of weapons to Turkey and i dont know the backstory, so for all i know it could make sense.",
">\n\nTurkey is the only NATO country with the S-400, which is a Russian anti-aircraft / anti-missile defense system. The response was to not sell Turkey advanced jets like the F-35 because the fear was the S-400 could be used to determine the F-35s' weaknesses and flaws - whether done overtly by Turkey, or covertly by Russia.\nIt should be noted there are a few other NATO countries that have the S-300 system (developed in the mid/late 2000s) which is still dangerous, but no longer cutting edge or as much as a threat to the more advanced fighters.",
">\n\nIIRC it was a networking issue. The US did not want an f35 to be on the same network as a s400 setup."
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Don't be silly. The F35 runs on Bluetooth
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"I dislike Turkey as much as everyone else but to be honest its kinda weird to have a ban on arms sales to a country you are supposed to be in a military alliance with. \nBut i know other NATO countries have a ban on sales of weapons to Turkey and i dont know the backstory, so for all i know it could make sense.",
">\n\nTurkey is the only NATO country with the S-400, which is a Russian anti-aircraft / anti-missile defense system. The response was to not sell Turkey advanced jets like the F-35 because the fear was the S-400 could be used to determine the F-35s' weaknesses and flaws - whether done overtly by Turkey, or covertly by Russia.\nIt should be noted there are a few other NATO countries that have the S-300 system (developed in the mid/late 2000s) which is still dangerous, but no longer cutting edge or as much as a threat to the more advanced fighters.",
">\n\nIIRC it was a networking issue. The US did not want an f35 to be on the same network as a s400 setup.",
">\n\nCBA to change that WiFi password 🤷"
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That's why the recent f35 crash happened, lost its connection to remote controller
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"I dislike Turkey as much as everyone else but to be honest its kinda weird to have a ban on arms sales to a country you are supposed to be in a military alliance with. \nBut i know other NATO countries have a ban on sales of weapons to Turkey and i dont know the backstory, so for all i know it could make sense.",
">\n\nTurkey is the only NATO country with the S-400, which is a Russian anti-aircraft / anti-missile defense system. The response was to not sell Turkey advanced jets like the F-35 because the fear was the S-400 could be used to determine the F-35s' weaknesses and flaws - whether done overtly by Turkey, or covertly by Russia.\nIt should be noted there are a few other NATO countries that have the S-300 system (developed in the mid/late 2000s) which is still dangerous, but no longer cutting edge or as much as a threat to the more advanced fighters.",
">\n\nIIRC it was a networking issue. The US did not want an f35 to be on the same network as a s400 setup.",
">\n\nCBA to change that WiFi password 🤷",
">\n\nDon't be silly. The F35 runs on Bluetooth"
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The one in Texas?
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[
"I dislike Turkey as much as everyone else but to be honest its kinda weird to have a ban on arms sales to a country you are supposed to be in a military alliance with. \nBut i know other NATO countries have a ban on sales of weapons to Turkey and i dont know the backstory, so for all i know it could make sense.",
">\n\nTurkey is the only NATO country with the S-400, which is a Russian anti-aircraft / anti-missile defense system. The response was to not sell Turkey advanced jets like the F-35 because the fear was the S-400 could be used to determine the F-35s' weaknesses and flaws - whether done overtly by Turkey, or covertly by Russia.\nIt should be noted there are a few other NATO countries that have the S-300 system (developed in the mid/late 2000s) which is still dangerous, but no longer cutting edge or as much as a threat to the more advanced fighters.",
">\n\nIIRC it was a networking issue. The US did not want an f35 to be on the same network as a s400 setup.",
">\n\nCBA to change that WiFi password 🤷",
">\n\nDon't be silly. The F35 runs on Bluetooth",
">\n\nThat's why the recent f35 crash happened, lost its connection to remote controller"
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Yeah
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"I dislike Turkey as much as everyone else but to be honest its kinda weird to have a ban on arms sales to a country you are supposed to be in a military alliance with. \nBut i know other NATO countries have a ban on sales of weapons to Turkey and i dont know the backstory, so for all i know it could make sense.",
">\n\nTurkey is the only NATO country with the S-400, which is a Russian anti-aircraft / anti-missile defense system. The response was to not sell Turkey advanced jets like the F-35 because the fear was the S-400 could be used to determine the F-35s' weaknesses and flaws - whether done overtly by Turkey, or covertly by Russia.\nIt should be noted there are a few other NATO countries that have the S-300 system (developed in the mid/late 2000s) which is still dangerous, but no longer cutting edge or as much as a threat to the more advanced fighters.",
">\n\nIIRC it was a networking issue. The US did not want an f35 to be on the same network as a s400 setup.",
">\n\nCBA to change that WiFi password 🤷",
">\n\nDon't be silly. The F35 runs on Bluetooth",
">\n\nThat's why the recent f35 crash happened, lost its connection to remote controller",
">\n\nThe one in Texas?"
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>
This is the best tl;dr I could make, original reduced by 87%. (I'm a bot)
HELSINKI - Finland and Sweden have adopted a common "Future ally" approach with Turkey in an attempt to fast-track their NATO membership - something hindered by the Ankara government.
Neither Finland nor Sweden imposed a formal ban on arms exports to Turkey.
In soliciting Turkey's support for NATO membership, Sweden and Finland have also found themselves defending their positions and policies toward the Kurdish PYD Democratic Union Party and its armed militia, the Syrian Kurdish YPG. The PYD has links to the Kurdistan Workers' Party, or PKK, which the U.S. and the European Union, including Finland and Sweden, consider a terrorist organization.
Extended Summary | FAQ | Feedback | Top keywords: Turkey^#1 Sweden^#2 Finland^#3 export^#4 NATO^#5
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"I dislike Turkey as much as everyone else but to be honest its kinda weird to have a ban on arms sales to a country you are supposed to be in a military alliance with. \nBut i know other NATO countries have a ban on sales of weapons to Turkey and i dont know the backstory, so for all i know it could make sense.",
">\n\nTurkey is the only NATO country with the S-400, which is a Russian anti-aircraft / anti-missile defense system. The response was to not sell Turkey advanced jets like the F-35 because the fear was the S-400 could be used to determine the F-35s' weaknesses and flaws - whether done overtly by Turkey, or covertly by Russia.\nIt should be noted there are a few other NATO countries that have the S-300 system (developed in the mid/late 2000s) which is still dangerous, but no longer cutting edge or as much as a threat to the more advanced fighters.",
">\n\nIIRC it was a networking issue. The US did not want an f35 to be on the same network as a s400 setup.",
">\n\nCBA to change that WiFi password 🤷",
">\n\nDon't be silly. The F35 runs on Bluetooth",
">\n\nThat's why the recent f35 crash happened, lost its connection to remote controller",
">\n\nThe one in Texas?",
">\n\nYeah"
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Not that I advocate this, but is there anything to stop them from reversing the policies once they are full members? If the situation changes, Sweden and Finland could change their minds back. Maybe I’d feel differently if Turkish democracy would go forward again and Erdogan stop jailing his opponents.
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"I dislike Turkey as much as everyone else but to be honest its kinda weird to have a ban on arms sales to a country you are supposed to be in a military alliance with. \nBut i know other NATO countries have a ban on sales of weapons to Turkey and i dont know the backstory, so for all i know it could make sense.",
">\n\nTurkey is the only NATO country with the S-400, which is a Russian anti-aircraft / anti-missile defense system. The response was to not sell Turkey advanced jets like the F-35 because the fear was the S-400 could be used to determine the F-35s' weaknesses and flaws - whether done overtly by Turkey, or covertly by Russia.\nIt should be noted there are a few other NATO countries that have the S-300 system (developed in the mid/late 2000s) which is still dangerous, but no longer cutting edge or as much as a threat to the more advanced fighters.",
">\n\nIIRC it was a networking issue. The US did not want an f35 to be on the same network as a s400 setup.",
">\n\nCBA to change that WiFi password 🤷",
">\n\nDon't be silly. The F35 runs on Bluetooth",
">\n\nThat's why the recent f35 crash happened, lost its connection to remote controller",
">\n\nThe one in Texas?",
">\n\nYeah",
">\n\nThis is the best tl;dr I could make, original reduced by 87%. (I'm a bot)\n\n\nHELSINKI - Finland and Sweden have adopted a common \"Future ally\" approach with Turkey in an attempt to fast-track their NATO membership - something hindered by the Ankara government.\nNeither Finland nor Sweden imposed a formal ban on arms exports to Turkey.\nIn soliciting Turkey's support for NATO membership, Sweden and Finland have also found themselves defending their positions and policies toward the Kurdish PYD Democratic Union Party and its armed militia, the Syrian Kurdish YPG. The PYD has links to the Kurdistan Workers' Party, or PKK, which the U.S. and the European Union, including Finland and Sweden, consider a terrorist organization.\n\n\nExtended Summary | FAQ | Feedback | Top keywords: Turkey^#1 Sweden^#2 Finland^#3 export^#4 NATO^#5"
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It would be exactly what Türkiye deserves. A slap in the face for selling NATO membership in such a corrupt way. The deal is we defend each other if attacked. Not a corrupt deal of I'll let you in if you help me get revenge on these people that I'm accusing of staging what I'm calling a coup even though accoring to me I did nothing wrong. This kind of corruption will ruin our institutions.
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"I dislike Turkey as much as everyone else but to be honest its kinda weird to have a ban on arms sales to a country you are supposed to be in a military alliance with. \nBut i know other NATO countries have a ban on sales of weapons to Turkey and i dont know the backstory, so for all i know it could make sense.",
">\n\nTurkey is the only NATO country with the S-400, which is a Russian anti-aircraft / anti-missile defense system. The response was to not sell Turkey advanced jets like the F-35 because the fear was the S-400 could be used to determine the F-35s' weaknesses and flaws - whether done overtly by Turkey, or covertly by Russia.\nIt should be noted there are a few other NATO countries that have the S-300 system (developed in the mid/late 2000s) which is still dangerous, but no longer cutting edge or as much as a threat to the more advanced fighters.",
">\n\nIIRC it was a networking issue. The US did not want an f35 to be on the same network as a s400 setup.",
">\n\nCBA to change that WiFi password 🤷",
">\n\nDon't be silly. The F35 runs on Bluetooth",
">\n\nThat's why the recent f35 crash happened, lost its connection to remote controller",
">\n\nThe one in Texas?",
">\n\nYeah",
">\n\nThis is the best tl;dr I could make, original reduced by 87%. (I'm a bot)\n\n\nHELSINKI - Finland and Sweden have adopted a common \"Future ally\" approach with Turkey in an attempt to fast-track their NATO membership - something hindered by the Ankara government.\nNeither Finland nor Sweden imposed a formal ban on arms exports to Turkey.\nIn soliciting Turkey's support for NATO membership, Sweden and Finland have also found themselves defending their positions and policies toward the Kurdish PYD Democratic Union Party and its armed militia, the Syrian Kurdish YPG. The PYD has links to the Kurdistan Workers' Party, or PKK, which the U.S. and the European Union, including Finland and Sweden, consider a terrorist organization.\n\n\nExtended Summary | FAQ | Feedback | Top keywords: Turkey^#1 Sweden^#2 Finland^#3 export^#4 NATO^#5",
">\n\nNot that I advocate this, but is there anything to stop them from reversing the policies once they are full members? If the situation changes, Sweden and Finland could change their minds back. Maybe I’d feel differently if Turkish democracy would go forward again and Erdogan stop jailing his opponents."
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The deal is we defend each other if attacked.
I want you to let me in a military alliance where you are obliged to defend me if it necessary, however I will put arms embargo on you yet you still have to approve my application because as a westerner I am entitled to anything I want.
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"I dislike Turkey as much as everyone else but to be honest its kinda weird to have a ban on arms sales to a country you are supposed to be in a military alliance with. \nBut i know other NATO countries have a ban on sales of weapons to Turkey and i dont know the backstory, so for all i know it could make sense.",
">\n\nTurkey is the only NATO country with the S-400, which is a Russian anti-aircraft / anti-missile defense system. The response was to not sell Turkey advanced jets like the F-35 because the fear was the S-400 could be used to determine the F-35s' weaknesses and flaws - whether done overtly by Turkey, or covertly by Russia.\nIt should be noted there are a few other NATO countries that have the S-300 system (developed in the mid/late 2000s) which is still dangerous, but no longer cutting edge or as much as a threat to the more advanced fighters.",
">\n\nIIRC it was a networking issue. The US did not want an f35 to be on the same network as a s400 setup.",
">\n\nCBA to change that WiFi password 🤷",
">\n\nDon't be silly. The F35 runs on Bluetooth",
">\n\nThat's why the recent f35 crash happened, lost its connection to remote controller",
">\n\nThe one in Texas?",
">\n\nYeah",
">\n\nThis is the best tl;dr I could make, original reduced by 87%. (I'm a bot)\n\n\nHELSINKI - Finland and Sweden have adopted a common \"Future ally\" approach with Turkey in an attempt to fast-track their NATO membership - something hindered by the Ankara government.\nNeither Finland nor Sweden imposed a formal ban on arms exports to Turkey.\nIn soliciting Turkey's support for NATO membership, Sweden and Finland have also found themselves defending their positions and policies toward the Kurdish PYD Democratic Union Party and its armed militia, the Syrian Kurdish YPG. The PYD has links to the Kurdistan Workers' Party, or PKK, which the U.S. and the European Union, including Finland and Sweden, consider a terrorist organization.\n\n\nExtended Summary | FAQ | Feedback | Top keywords: Turkey^#1 Sweden^#2 Finland^#3 export^#4 NATO^#5",
">\n\nNot that I advocate this, but is there anything to stop them from reversing the policies once they are full members? If the situation changes, Sweden and Finland could change their minds back. Maybe I’d feel differently if Turkish democracy would go forward again and Erdogan stop jailing his opponents.",
">\n\nIt would be exactly what Türkiye deserves. A slap in the face for selling NATO membership in such a corrupt way. The deal is we defend each other if attacked. Not a corrupt deal of I'll let you in if you help me get revenge on these people that I'm accusing of staging what I'm calling a coup even though accoring to me I did nothing wrong. This kind of corruption will ruin our institutions."
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Most of NATO has arms embargos against Turkey, a situation that Turkey went out of its way to achieve.
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"I dislike Turkey as much as everyone else but to be honest its kinda weird to have a ban on arms sales to a country you are supposed to be in a military alliance with. \nBut i know other NATO countries have a ban on sales of weapons to Turkey and i dont know the backstory, so for all i know it could make sense.",
">\n\nTurkey is the only NATO country with the S-400, which is a Russian anti-aircraft / anti-missile defense system. The response was to not sell Turkey advanced jets like the F-35 because the fear was the S-400 could be used to determine the F-35s' weaknesses and flaws - whether done overtly by Turkey, or covertly by Russia.\nIt should be noted there are a few other NATO countries that have the S-300 system (developed in the mid/late 2000s) which is still dangerous, but no longer cutting edge or as much as a threat to the more advanced fighters.",
">\n\nIIRC it was a networking issue. The US did not want an f35 to be on the same network as a s400 setup.",
">\n\nCBA to change that WiFi password 🤷",
">\n\nDon't be silly. The F35 runs on Bluetooth",
">\n\nThat's why the recent f35 crash happened, lost its connection to remote controller",
">\n\nThe one in Texas?",
">\n\nYeah",
">\n\nThis is the best tl;dr I could make, original reduced by 87%. (I'm a bot)\n\n\nHELSINKI - Finland and Sweden have adopted a common \"Future ally\" approach with Turkey in an attempt to fast-track their NATO membership - something hindered by the Ankara government.\nNeither Finland nor Sweden imposed a formal ban on arms exports to Turkey.\nIn soliciting Turkey's support for NATO membership, Sweden and Finland have also found themselves defending their positions and policies toward the Kurdish PYD Democratic Union Party and its armed militia, the Syrian Kurdish YPG. The PYD has links to the Kurdistan Workers' Party, or PKK, which the U.S. and the European Union, including Finland and Sweden, consider a terrorist organization.\n\n\nExtended Summary | FAQ | Feedback | Top keywords: Turkey^#1 Sweden^#2 Finland^#3 export^#4 NATO^#5",
">\n\nNot that I advocate this, but is there anything to stop them from reversing the policies once they are full members? If the situation changes, Sweden and Finland could change their minds back. Maybe I’d feel differently if Turkish democracy would go forward again and Erdogan stop jailing his opponents.",
">\n\nIt would be exactly what Türkiye deserves. A slap in the face for selling NATO membership in such a corrupt way. The deal is we defend each other if attacked. Not a corrupt deal of I'll let you in if you help me get revenge on these people that I'm accusing of staging what I'm calling a coup even though accoring to me I did nothing wrong. This kind of corruption will ruin our institutions.",
">\n\n\nThe deal is we defend each other if attacked.\n\nI want you to let me in a military alliance where you are obliged to defend me if it necessary, however I will put arms embargo on you yet you still have to approve my application because as a westerner I am entitled to anything I want."
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"Most" is exaggerating. Turkey still gets a lot from other members. With the exception of Erdogan being authoritarian and buying S400, all other decisions that caused sanctions were worth it.
Plus, bold of you to assume Turkey would let the others in if they were in Finland or Sweden's position.
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"I dislike Turkey as much as everyone else but to be honest its kinda weird to have a ban on arms sales to a country you are supposed to be in a military alliance with. \nBut i know other NATO countries have a ban on sales of weapons to Turkey and i dont know the backstory, so for all i know it could make sense.",
">\n\nTurkey is the only NATO country with the S-400, which is a Russian anti-aircraft / anti-missile defense system. The response was to not sell Turkey advanced jets like the F-35 because the fear was the S-400 could be used to determine the F-35s' weaknesses and flaws - whether done overtly by Turkey, or covertly by Russia.\nIt should be noted there are a few other NATO countries that have the S-300 system (developed in the mid/late 2000s) which is still dangerous, but no longer cutting edge or as much as a threat to the more advanced fighters.",
">\n\nIIRC it was a networking issue. The US did not want an f35 to be on the same network as a s400 setup.",
">\n\nCBA to change that WiFi password 🤷",
">\n\nDon't be silly. The F35 runs on Bluetooth",
">\n\nThat's why the recent f35 crash happened, lost its connection to remote controller",
">\n\nThe one in Texas?",
">\n\nYeah",
">\n\nThis is the best tl;dr I could make, original reduced by 87%. (I'm a bot)\n\n\nHELSINKI - Finland and Sweden have adopted a common \"Future ally\" approach with Turkey in an attempt to fast-track their NATO membership - something hindered by the Ankara government.\nNeither Finland nor Sweden imposed a formal ban on arms exports to Turkey.\nIn soliciting Turkey's support for NATO membership, Sweden and Finland have also found themselves defending their positions and policies toward the Kurdish PYD Democratic Union Party and its armed militia, the Syrian Kurdish YPG. The PYD has links to the Kurdistan Workers' Party, or PKK, which the U.S. and the European Union, including Finland and Sweden, consider a terrorist organization.\n\n\nExtended Summary | FAQ | Feedback | Top keywords: Turkey^#1 Sweden^#2 Finland^#3 export^#4 NATO^#5",
">\n\nNot that I advocate this, but is there anything to stop them from reversing the policies once they are full members? If the situation changes, Sweden and Finland could change their minds back. Maybe I’d feel differently if Turkish democracy would go forward again and Erdogan stop jailing his opponents.",
">\n\nIt would be exactly what Türkiye deserves. A slap in the face for selling NATO membership in such a corrupt way. The deal is we defend each other if attacked. Not a corrupt deal of I'll let you in if you help me get revenge on these people that I'm accusing of staging what I'm calling a coup even though accoring to me I did nothing wrong. This kind of corruption will ruin our institutions.",
">\n\n\nThe deal is we defend each other if attacked.\n\nI want you to let me in a military alliance where you are obliged to defend me if it necessary, however I will put arms embargo on you yet you still have to approve my application because as a westerner I am entitled to anything I want.",
">\n\nMost of NATO has arms embargos against Turkey, a situation that Turkey went out of its way to achieve."
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Turkey will get what it wants. Once it gets what it wants, it will demand more. It will keep making demands because it can and there are no consequences.
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"I dislike Turkey as much as everyone else but to be honest its kinda weird to have a ban on arms sales to a country you are supposed to be in a military alliance with. \nBut i know other NATO countries have a ban on sales of weapons to Turkey and i dont know the backstory, so for all i know it could make sense.",
">\n\nTurkey is the only NATO country with the S-400, which is a Russian anti-aircraft / anti-missile defense system. The response was to not sell Turkey advanced jets like the F-35 because the fear was the S-400 could be used to determine the F-35s' weaknesses and flaws - whether done overtly by Turkey, or covertly by Russia.\nIt should be noted there are a few other NATO countries that have the S-300 system (developed in the mid/late 2000s) which is still dangerous, but no longer cutting edge or as much as a threat to the more advanced fighters.",
">\n\nIIRC it was a networking issue. The US did not want an f35 to be on the same network as a s400 setup.",
">\n\nCBA to change that WiFi password 🤷",
">\n\nDon't be silly. The F35 runs on Bluetooth",
">\n\nThat's why the recent f35 crash happened, lost its connection to remote controller",
">\n\nThe one in Texas?",
">\n\nYeah",
">\n\nThis is the best tl;dr I could make, original reduced by 87%. (I'm a bot)\n\n\nHELSINKI - Finland and Sweden have adopted a common \"Future ally\" approach with Turkey in an attempt to fast-track their NATO membership - something hindered by the Ankara government.\nNeither Finland nor Sweden imposed a formal ban on arms exports to Turkey.\nIn soliciting Turkey's support for NATO membership, Sweden and Finland have also found themselves defending their positions and policies toward the Kurdish PYD Democratic Union Party and its armed militia, the Syrian Kurdish YPG. The PYD has links to the Kurdistan Workers' Party, or PKK, which the U.S. and the European Union, including Finland and Sweden, consider a terrorist organization.\n\n\nExtended Summary | FAQ | Feedback | Top keywords: Turkey^#1 Sweden^#2 Finland^#3 export^#4 NATO^#5",
">\n\nNot that I advocate this, but is there anything to stop them from reversing the policies once they are full members? If the situation changes, Sweden and Finland could change their minds back. Maybe I’d feel differently if Turkish democracy would go forward again and Erdogan stop jailing his opponents.",
">\n\nIt would be exactly what Türkiye deserves. A slap in the face for selling NATO membership in such a corrupt way. The deal is we defend each other if attacked. Not a corrupt deal of I'll let you in if you help me get revenge on these people that I'm accusing of staging what I'm calling a coup even though accoring to me I did nothing wrong. This kind of corruption will ruin our institutions.",
">\n\n\nThe deal is we defend each other if attacked.\n\nI want you to let me in a military alliance where you are obliged to defend me if it necessary, however I will put arms embargo on you yet you still have to approve my application because as a westerner I am entitled to anything I want.",
">\n\nMost of NATO has arms embargos against Turkey, a situation that Turkey went out of its way to achieve.",
">\n\n\"Most\" is exaggerating. Turkey still gets a lot from other members. With the exception of Erdogan being authoritarian and buying S400, all other decisions that caused sanctions were worth it. \nPlus, bold of you to assume Turkey would let the others in if they were in Finland or Sweden's position."
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No you explain why arms embargo makes sense in a defensive alliance. Die for me if I am attacked meanwhile I will also embargo you. IMO NATO needs to kick Tukey so they stop dreaming of becoming EU member or whatever, as if the Europeans will ever accept Turkey as one of them. This runaround is going on for a very long time.
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"I dislike Turkey as much as everyone else but to be honest its kinda weird to have a ban on arms sales to a country you are supposed to be in a military alliance with. \nBut i know other NATO countries have a ban on sales of weapons to Turkey and i dont know the backstory, so for all i know it could make sense.",
">\n\nTurkey is the only NATO country with the S-400, which is a Russian anti-aircraft / anti-missile defense system. The response was to not sell Turkey advanced jets like the F-35 because the fear was the S-400 could be used to determine the F-35s' weaknesses and flaws - whether done overtly by Turkey, or covertly by Russia.\nIt should be noted there are a few other NATO countries that have the S-300 system (developed in the mid/late 2000s) which is still dangerous, but no longer cutting edge or as much as a threat to the more advanced fighters.",
">\n\nIIRC it was a networking issue. The US did not want an f35 to be on the same network as a s400 setup.",
">\n\nCBA to change that WiFi password 🤷",
">\n\nDon't be silly. The F35 runs on Bluetooth",
">\n\nThat's why the recent f35 crash happened, lost its connection to remote controller",
">\n\nThe one in Texas?",
">\n\nYeah",
">\n\nThis is the best tl;dr I could make, original reduced by 87%. (I'm a bot)\n\n\nHELSINKI - Finland and Sweden have adopted a common \"Future ally\" approach with Turkey in an attempt to fast-track their NATO membership - something hindered by the Ankara government.\nNeither Finland nor Sweden imposed a formal ban on arms exports to Turkey.\nIn soliciting Turkey's support for NATO membership, Sweden and Finland have also found themselves defending their positions and policies toward the Kurdish PYD Democratic Union Party and its armed militia, the Syrian Kurdish YPG. The PYD has links to the Kurdistan Workers' Party, or PKK, which the U.S. and the European Union, including Finland and Sweden, consider a terrorist organization.\n\n\nExtended Summary | FAQ | Feedback | Top keywords: Turkey^#1 Sweden^#2 Finland^#3 export^#4 NATO^#5",
">\n\nNot that I advocate this, but is there anything to stop them from reversing the policies once they are full members? If the situation changes, Sweden and Finland could change their minds back. Maybe I’d feel differently if Turkish democracy would go forward again and Erdogan stop jailing his opponents.",
">\n\nIt would be exactly what Türkiye deserves. A slap in the face for selling NATO membership in such a corrupt way. The deal is we defend each other if attacked. Not a corrupt deal of I'll let you in if you help me get revenge on these people that I'm accusing of staging what I'm calling a coup even though accoring to me I did nothing wrong. This kind of corruption will ruin our institutions.",
">\n\n\nThe deal is we defend each other if attacked.\n\nI want you to let me in a military alliance where you are obliged to defend me if it necessary, however I will put arms embargo on you yet you still have to approve my application because as a westerner I am entitled to anything I want.",
">\n\nMost of NATO has arms embargos against Turkey, a situation that Turkey went out of its way to achieve.",
">\n\n\"Most\" is exaggerating. Turkey still gets a lot from other members. With the exception of Erdogan being authoritarian and buying S400, all other decisions that caused sanctions were worth it. \nPlus, bold of you to assume Turkey would let the others in if they were in Finland or Sweden's position.",
">\n\nTurkey will get what it wants. Once it gets what it wants, it will demand more. It will keep making demands because it can and there are no consequences."
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This has never been a problem. Both countries have made it clear that it would not make sense to ban weapons from someone you ask to help defend you.
The real problem for Turkey and Erdogan is that they harbor Kurdish activists that Turkey would like to get their hands on.
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"I dislike Turkey as much as everyone else but to be honest its kinda weird to have a ban on arms sales to a country you are supposed to be in a military alliance with. \nBut i know other NATO countries have a ban on sales of weapons to Turkey and i dont know the backstory, so for all i know it could make sense.",
">\n\nTurkey is the only NATO country with the S-400, which is a Russian anti-aircraft / anti-missile defense system. The response was to not sell Turkey advanced jets like the F-35 because the fear was the S-400 could be used to determine the F-35s' weaknesses and flaws - whether done overtly by Turkey, or covertly by Russia.\nIt should be noted there are a few other NATO countries that have the S-300 system (developed in the mid/late 2000s) which is still dangerous, but no longer cutting edge or as much as a threat to the more advanced fighters.",
">\n\nIIRC it was a networking issue. The US did not want an f35 to be on the same network as a s400 setup.",
">\n\nCBA to change that WiFi password 🤷",
">\n\nDon't be silly. The F35 runs on Bluetooth",
">\n\nThat's why the recent f35 crash happened, lost its connection to remote controller",
">\n\nThe one in Texas?",
">\n\nYeah",
">\n\nThis is the best tl;dr I could make, original reduced by 87%. (I'm a bot)\n\n\nHELSINKI - Finland and Sweden have adopted a common \"Future ally\" approach with Turkey in an attempt to fast-track their NATO membership - something hindered by the Ankara government.\nNeither Finland nor Sweden imposed a formal ban on arms exports to Turkey.\nIn soliciting Turkey's support for NATO membership, Sweden and Finland have also found themselves defending their positions and policies toward the Kurdish PYD Democratic Union Party and its armed militia, the Syrian Kurdish YPG. The PYD has links to the Kurdistan Workers' Party, or PKK, which the U.S. and the European Union, including Finland and Sweden, consider a terrorist organization.\n\n\nExtended Summary | FAQ | Feedback | Top keywords: Turkey^#1 Sweden^#2 Finland^#3 export^#4 NATO^#5",
">\n\nNot that I advocate this, but is there anything to stop them from reversing the policies once they are full members? If the situation changes, Sweden and Finland could change their minds back. Maybe I’d feel differently if Turkish democracy would go forward again and Erdogan stop jailing his opponents.",
">\n\nIt would be exactly what Türkiye deserves. A slap in the face for selling NATO membership in such a corrupt way. The deal is we defend each other if attacked. Not a corrupt deal of I'll let you in if you help me get revenge on these people that I'm accusing of staging what I'm calling a coup even though accoring to me I did nothing wrong. This kind of corruption will ruin our institutions.",
">\n\n\nThe deal is we defend each other if attacked.\n\nI want you to let me in a military alliance where you are obliged to defend me if it necessary, however I will put arms embargo on you yet you still have to approve my application because as a westerner I am entitled to anything I want.",
">\n\nMost of NATO has arms embargos against Turkey, a situation that Turkey went out of its way to achieve.",
">\n\n\"Most\" is exaggerating. Turkey still gets a lot from other members. With the exception of Erdogan being authoritarian and buying S400, all other decisions that caused sanctions were worth it. \nPlus, bold of you to assume Turkey would let the others in if they were in Finland or Sweden's position.",
">\n\nTurkey will get what it wants. Once it gets what it wants, it will demand more. It will keep making demands because it can and there are no consequences.",
">\n\nNo you explain why arms embargo makes sense in a defensive alliance. Die for me if I am attacked meanwhile I will also embargo you. IMO NATO needs to kick Tukey so they stop dreaming of becoming EU member or whatever, as if the Europeans will ever accept Turkey as one of them. This runaround is going on for a very long time."
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If there is still a problem, yes, it will be clear it's the activists. I think this past week or so, Sweden, having already accelerated the extradition process to send a number of Kurds to Türkiye, got a result. But not a result Erdogan sought for his revenge. The process, rightfully independent from political executive, denied the extradition.
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"I dislike Turkey as much as everyone else but to be honest its kinda weird to have a ban on arms sales to a country you are supposed to be in a military alliance with. \nBut i know other NATO countries have a ban on sales of weapons to Turkey and i dont know the backstory, so for all i know it could make sense.",
">\n\nTurkey is the only NATO country with the S-400, which is a Russian anti-aircraft / anti-missile defense system. The response was to not sell Turkey advanced jets like the F-35 because the fear was the S-400 could be used to determine the F-35s' weaknesses and flaws - whether done overtly by Turkey, or covertly by Russia.\nIt should be noted there are a few other NATO countries that have the S-300 system (developed in the mid/late 2000s) which is still dangerous, but no longer cutting edge or as much as a threat to the more advanced fighters.",
">\n\nIIRC it was a networking issue. The US did not want an f35 to be on the same network as a s400 setup.",
">\n\nCBA to change that WiFi password 🤷",
">\n\nDon't be silly. The F35 runs on Bluetooth",
">\n\nThat's why the recent f35 crash happened, lost its connection to remote controller",
">\n\nThe one in Texas?",
">\n\nYeah",
">\n\nThis is the best tl;dr I could make, original reduced by 87%. (I'm a bot)\n\n\nHELSINKI - Finland and Sweden have adopted a common \"Future ally\" approach with Turkey in an attempt to fast-track their NATO membership - something hindered by the Ankara government.\nNeither Finland nor Sweden imposed a formal ban on arms exports to Turkey.\nIn soliciting Turkey's support for NATO membership, Sweden and Finland have also found themselves defending their positions and policies toward the Kurdish PYD Democratic Union Party and its armed militia, the Syrian Kurdish YPG. The PYD has links to the Kurdistan Workers' Party, or PKK, which the U.S. and the European Union, including Finland and Sweden, consider a terrorist organization.\n\n\nExtended Summary | FAQ | Feedback | Top keywords: Turkey^#1 Sweden^#2 Finland^#3 export^#4 NATO^#5",
">\n\nNot that I advocate this, but is there anything to stop them from reversing the policies once they are full members? If the situation changes, Sweden and Finland could change their minds back. Maybe I’d feel differently if Turkish democracy would go forward again and Erdogan stop jailing his opponents.",
">\n\nIt would be exactly what Türkiye deserves. A slap in the face for selling NATO membership in such a corrupt way. The deal is we defend each other if attacked. Not a corrupt deal of I'll let you in if you help me get revenge on these people that I'm accusing of staging what I'm calling a coup even though accoring to me I did nothing wrong. This kind of corruption will ruin our institutions.",
">\n\n\nThe deal is we defend each other if attacked.\n\nI want you to let me in a military alliance where you are obliged to defend me if it necessary, however I will put arms embargo on you yet you still have to approve my application because as a westerner I am entitled to anything I want.",
">\n\nMost of NATO has arms embargos against Turkey, a situation that Turkey went out of its way to achieve.",
">\n\n\"Most\" is exaggerating. Turkey still gets a lot from other members. With the exception of Erdogan being authoritarian and buying S400, all other decisions that caused sanctions were worth it. \nPlus, bold of you to assume Turkey would let the others in if they were in Finland or Sweden's position.",
">\n\nTurkey will get what it wants. Once it gets what it wants, it will demand more. It will keep making demands because it can and there are no consequences.",
">\n\nNo you explain why arms embargo makes sense in a defensive alliance. Die for me if I am attacked meanwhile I will also embargo you. IMO NATO needs to kick Tukey so they stop dreaming of becoming EU member or whatever, as if the Europeans will ever accept Turkey as one of them. This runaround is going on for a very long time.",
">\n\nThis has never been a problem. Both countries have made it clear that it would not make sense to ban weapons from someone you ask to help defend you.\nThe real problem for Turkey and Erdogan is that they harbor Kurdish activists that Turkey would like to get their hands on."
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It will never be enough. Erdogan asks for a cookie but wants the factory it was made in.
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"I dislike Turkey as much as everyone else but to be honest its kinda weird to have a ban on arms sales to a country you are supposed to be in a military alliance with. \nBut i know other NATO countries have a ban on sales of weapons to Turkey and i dont know the backstory, so for all i know it could make sense.",
">\n\nTurkey is the only NATO country with the S-400, which is a Russian anti-aircraft / anti-missile defense system. The response was to not sell Turkey advanced jets like the F-35 because the fear was the S-400 could be used to determine the F-35s' weaknesses and flaws - whether done overtly by Turkey, or covertly by Russia.\nIt should be noted there are a few other NATO countries that have the S-300 system (developed in the mid/late 2000s) which is still dangerous, but no longer cutting edge or as much as a threat to the more advanced fighters.",
">\n\nIIRC it was a networking issue. The US did not want an f35 to be on the same network as a s400 setup.",
">\n\nCBA to change that WiFi password 🤷",
">\n\nDon't be silly. The F35 runs on Bluetooth",
">\n\nThat's why the recent f35 crash happened, lost its connection to remote controller",
">\n\nThe one in Texas?",
">\n\nYeah",
">\n\nThis is the best tl;dr I could make, original reduced by 87%. (I'm a bot)\n\n\nHELSINKI - Finland and Sweden have adopted a common \"Future ally\" approach with Turkey in an attempt to fast-track their NATO membership - something hindered by the Ankara government.\nNeither Finland nor Sweden imposed a formal ban on arms exports to Turkey.\nIn soliciting Turkey's support for NATO membership, Sweden and Finland have also found themselves defending their positions and policies toward the Kurdish PYD Democratic Union Party and its armed militia, the Syrian Kurdish YPG. The PYD has links to the Kurdistan Workers' Party, or PKK, which the U.S. and the European Union, including Finland and Sweden, consider a terrorist organization.\n\n\nExtended Summary | FAQ | Feedback | Top keywords: Turkey^#1 Sweden^#2 Finland^#3 export^#4 NATO^#5",
">\n\nNot that I advocate this, but is there anything to stop them from reversing the policies once they are full members? If the situation changes, Sweden and Finland could change their minds back. Maybe I’d feel differently if Turkish democracy would go forward again and Erdogan stop jailing his opponents.",
">\n\nIt would be exactly what Türkiye deserves. A slap in the face for selling NATO membership in such a corrupt way. The deal is we defend each other if attacked. Not a corrupt deal of I'll let you in if you help me get revenge on these people that I'm accusing of staging what I'm calling a coup even though accoring to me I did nothing wrong. This kind of corruption will ruin our institutions.",
">\n\n\nThe deal is we defend each other if attacked.\n\nI want you to let me in a military alliance where you are obliged to defend me if it necessary, however I will put arms embargo on you yet you still have to approve my application because as a westerner I am entitled to anything I want.",
">\n\nMost of NATO has arms embargos against Turkey, a situation that Turkey went out of its way to achieve.",
">\n\n\"Most\" is exaggerating. Turkey still gets a lot from other members. With the exception of Erdogan being authoritarian and buying S400, all other decisions that caused sanctions were worth it. \nPlus, bold of you to assume Turkey would let the others in if they were in Finland or Sweden's position.",
">\n\nTurkey will get what it wants. Once it gets what it wants, it will demand more. It will keep making demands because it can and there are no consequences.",
">\n\nNo you explain why arms embargo makes sense in a defensive alliance. Die for me if I am attacked meanwhile I will also embargo you. IMO NATO needs to kick Tukey so they stop dreaming of becoming EU member or whatever, as if the Europeans will ever accept Turkey as one of them. This runaround is going on for a very long time.",
">\n\nThis has never been a problem. Both countries have made it clear that it would not make sense to ban weapons from someone you ask to help defend you.\nThe real problem for Turkey and Erdogan is that they harbor Kurdish activists that Turkey would like to get their hands on.",
">\n\nIf there is still a problem, yes, it will be clear it's the activists. I think this past week or so, Sweden, having already accelerated the extradition process to send a number of Kurds to Türkiye, got a result. But not a result Erdogan sought for his revenge. The process, rightfully independent from political executive, denied the extradition."
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I really wish we could just kick Turkey out of NATO in exchange for Sweden and Finland, but unfortunately their strategic position makes that seems highly unlikely.
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"I dislike Turkey as much as everyone else but to be honest its kinda weird to have a ban on arms sales to a country you are supposed to be in a military alliance with. \nBut i know other NATO countries have a ban on sales of weapons to Turkey and i dont know the backstory, so for all i know it could make sense.",
">\n\nTurkey is the only NATO country with the S-400, which is a Russian anti-aircraft / anti-missile defense system. The response was to not sell Turkey advanced jets like the F-35 because the fear was the S-400 could be used to determine the F-35s' weaknesses and flaws - whether done overtly by Turkey, or covertly by Russia.\nIt should be noted there are a few other NATO countries that have the S-300 system (developed in the mid/late 2000s) which is still dangerous, but no longer cutting edge or as much as a threat to the more advanced fighters.",
">\n\nIIRC it was a networking issue. The US did not want an f35 to be on the same network as a s400 setup.",
">\n\nCBA to change that WiFi password 🤷",
">\n\nDon't be silly. The F35 runs on Bluetooth",
">\n\nThat's why the recent f35 crash happened, lost its connection to remote controller",
">\n\nThe one in Texas?",
">\n\nYeah",
">\n\nThis is the best tl;dr I could make, original reduced by 87%. (I'm a bot)\n\n\nHELSINKI - Finland and Sweden have adopted a common \"Future ally\" approach with Turkey in an attempt to fast-track their NATO membership - something hindered by the Ankara government.\nNeither Finland nor Sweden imposed a formal ban on arms exports to Turkey.\nIn soliciting Turkey's support for NATO membership, Sweden and Finland have also found themselves defending their positions and policies toward the Kurdish PYD Democratic Union Party and its armed militia, the Syrian Kurdish YPG. The PYD has links to the Kurdistan Workers' Party, or PKK, which the U.S. and the European Union, including Finland and Sweden, consider a terrorist organization.\n\n\nExtended Summary | FAQ | Feedback | Top keywords: Turkey^#1 Sweden^#2 Finland^#3 export^#4 NATO^#5",
">\n\nNot that I advocate this, but is there anything to stop them from reversing the policies once they are full members? If the situation changes, Sweden and Finland could change their minds back. Maybe I’d feel differently if Turkish democracy would go forward again and Erdogan stop jailing his opponents.",
">\n\nIt would be exactly what Türkiye deserves. A slap in the face for selling NATO membership in such a corrupt way. The deal is we defend each other if attacked. Not a corrupt deal of I'll let you in if you help me get revenge on these people that I'm accusing of staging what I'm calling a coup even though accoring to me I did nothing wrong. This kind of corruption will ruin our institutions.",
">\n\n\nThe deal is we defend each other if attacked.\n\nI want you to let me in a military alliance where you are obliged to defend me if it necessary, however I will put arms embargo on you yet you still have to approve my application because as a westerner I am entitled to anything I want.",
">\n\nMost of NATO has arms embargos against Turkey, a situation that Turkey went out of its way to achieve.",
">\n\n\"Most\" is exaggerating. Turkey still gets a lot from other members. With the exception of Erdogan being authoritarian and buying S400, all other decisions that caused sanctions were worth it. \nPlus, bold of you to assume Turkey would let the others in if they were in Finland or Sweden's position.",
">\n\nTurkey will get what it wants. Once it gets what it wants, it will demand more. It will keep making demands because it can and there are no consequences.",
">\n\nNo you explain why arms embargo makes sense in a defensive alliance. Die for me if I am attacked meanwhile I will also embargo you. IMO NATO needs to kick Tukey so they stop dreaming of becoming EU member or whatever, as if the Europeans will ever accept Turkey as one of them. This runaround is going on for a very long time.",
">\n\nThis has never been a problem. Both countries have made it clear that it would not make sense to ban weapons from someone you ask to help defend you.\nThe real problem for Turkey and Erdogan is that they harbor Kurdish activists that Turkey would like to get their hands on.",
">\n\nIf there is still a problem, yes, it will be clear it's the activists. I think this past week or so, Sweden, having already accelerated the extradition process to send a number of Kurds to Türkiye, got a result. But not a result Erdogan sought for his revenge. The process, rightfully independent from political executive, denied the extradition.",
">\n\nIt will never be enough. Erdogan asks for a cookie but wants the factory it was made in."
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If turkey was kicked out of NATO, you would most likely not be able to live comfortably in your parents house in your late 20s right now. The airbase they provide allowed the raids on terrorists.
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"I dislike Turkey as much as everyone else but to be honest its kinda weird to have a ban on arms sales to a country you are supposed to be in a military alliance with. \nBut i know other NATO countries have a ban on sales of weapons to Turkey and i dont know the backstory, so for all i know it could make sense.",
">\n\nTurkey is the only NATO country with the S-400, which is a Russian anti-aircraft / anti-missile defense system. The response was to not sell Turkey advanced jets like the F-35 because the fear was the S-400 could be used to determine the F-35s' weaknesses and flaws - whether done overtly by Turkey, or covertly by Russia.\nIt should be noted there are a few other NATO countries that have the S-300 system (developed in the mid/late 2000s) which is still dangerous, but no longer cutting edge or as much as a threat to the more advanced fighters.",
">\n\nIIRC it was a networking issue. The US did not want an f35 to be on the same network as a s400 setup.",
">\n\nCBA to change that WiFi password 🤷",
">\n\nDon't be silly. The F35 runs on Bluetooth",
">\n\nThat's why the recent f35 crash happened, lost its connection to remote controller",
">\n\nThe one in Texas?",
">\n\nYeah",
">\n\nThis is the best tl;dr I could make, original reduced by 87%. (I'm a bot)\n\n\nHELSINKI - Finland and Sweden have adopted a common \"Future ally\" approach with Turkey in an attempt to fast-track their NATO membership - something hindered by the Ankara government.\nNeither Finland nor Sweden imposed a formal ban on arms exports to Turkey.\nIn soliciting Turkey's support for NATO membership, Sweden and Finland have also found themselves defending their positions and policies toward the Kurdish PYD Democratic Union Party and its armed militia, the Syrian Kurdish YPG. The PYD has links to the Kurdistan Workers' Party, or PKK, which the U.S. and the European Union, including Finland and Sweden, consider a terrorist organization.\n\n\nExtended Summary | FAQ | Feedback | Top keywords: Turkey^#1 Sweden^#2 Finland^#3 export^#4 NATO^#5",
">\n\nNot that I advocate this, but is there anything to stop them from reversing the policies once they are full members? If the situation changes, Sweden and Finland could change their minds back. Maybe I’d feel differently if Turkish democracy would go forward again and Erdogan stop jailing his opponents.",
">\n\nIt would be exactly what Türkiye deserves. A slap in the face for selling NATO membership in such a corrupt way. The deal is we defend each other if attacked. Not a corrupt deal of I'll let you in if you help me get revenge on these people that I'm accusing of staging what I'm calling a coup even though accoring to me I did nothing wrong. This kind of corruption will ruin our institutions.",
">\n\n\nThe deal is we defend each other if attacked.\n\nI want you to let me in a military alliance where you are obliged to defend me if it necessary, however I will put arms embargo on you yet you still have to approve my application because as a westerner I am entitled to anything I want.",
">\n\nMost of NATO has arms embargos against Turkey, a situation that Turkey went out of its way to achieve.",
">\n\n\"Most\" is exaggerating. Turkey still gets a lot from other members. With the exception of Erdogan being authoritarian and buying S400, all other decisions that caused sanctions were worth it. \nPlus, bold of you to assume Turkey would let the others in if they were in Finland or Sweden's position.",
">\n\nTurkey will get what it wants. Once it gets what it wants, it will demand more. It will keep making demands because it can and there are no consequences.",
">\n\nNo you explain why arms embargo makes sense in a defensive alliance. Die for me if I am attacked meanwhile I will also embargo you. IMO NATO needs to kick Tukey so they stop dreaming of becoming EU member or whatever, as if the Europeans will ever accept Turkey as one of them. This runaround is going on for a very long time.",
">\n\nThis has never been a problem. Both countries have made it clear that it would not make sense to ban weapons from someone you ask to help defend you.\nThe real problem for Turkey and Erdogan is that they harbor Kurdish activists that Turkey would like to get their hands on.",
">\n\nIf there is still a problem, yes, it will be clear it's the activists. I think this past week or so, Sweden, having already accelerated the extradition process to send a number of Kurds to Türkiye, got a result. But not a result Erdogan sought for his revenge. The process, rightfully independent from political executive, denied the extradition.",
">\n\nIt will never be enough. Erdogan asks for a cookie but wants the factory it was made in.",
">\n\nI really wish we could just kick Turkey out of NATO in exchange for Sweden and Finland, but unfortunately their strategic position makes that seems highly unlikely."
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Did you even read my comment, or did you just decide to immediately get defensive and try and insinuate I’m somehow dependent on my parents lmao? “Strategic position” would also include airbases for attacking terrorists. That’s what makes it…you guessed it…strategic. Low effort attempt. Don’t get pissy bc the west is tired of Turkey’s shenanigans and descent into autocracy
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"I dislike Turkey as much as everyone else but to be honest its kinda weird to have a ban on arms sales to a country you are supposed to be in a military alliance with. \nBut i know other NATO countries have a ban on sales of weapons to Turkey and i dont know the backstory, so for all i know it could make sense.",
">\n\nTurkey is the only NATO country with the S-400, which is a Russian anti-aircraft / anti-missile defense system. The response was to not sell Turkey advanced jets like the F-35 because the fear was the S-400 could be used to determine the F-35s' weaknesses and flaws - whether done overtly by Turkey, or covertly by Russia.\nIt should be noted there are a few other NATO countries that have the S-300 system (developed in the mid/late 2000s) which is still dangerous, but no longer cutting edge or as much as a threat to the more advanced fighters.",
">\n\nIIRC it was a networking issue. The US did not want an f35 to be on the same network as a s400 setup.",
">\n\nCBA to change that WiFi password 🤷",
">\n\nDon't be silly. The F35 runs on Bluetooth",
">\n\nThat's why the recent f35 crash happened, lost its connection to remote controller",
">\n\nThe one in Texas?",
">\n\nYeah",
">\n\nThis is the best tl;dr I could make, original reduced by 87%. (I'm a bot)\n\n\nHELSINKI - Finland and Sweden have adopted a common \"Future ally\" approach with Turkey in an attempt to fast-track their NATO membership - something hindered by the Ankara government.\nNeither Finland nor Sweden imposed a formal ban on arms exports to Turkey.\nIn soliciting Turkey's support for NATO membership, Sweden and Finland have also found themselves defending their positions and policies toward the Kurdish PYD Democratic Union Party and its armed militia, the Syrian Kurdish YPG. The PYD has links to the Kurdistan Workers' Party, or PKK, which the U.S. and the European Union, including Finland and Sweden, consider a terrorist organization.\n\n\nExtended Summary | FAQ | Feedback | Top keywords: Turkey^#1 Sweden^#2 Finland^#3 export^#4 NATO^#5",
">\n\nNot that I advocate this, but is there anything to stop them from reversing the policies once they are full members? If the situation changes, Sweden and Finland could change their minds back. Maybe I’d feel differently if Turkish democracy would go forward again and Erdogan stop jailing his opponents.",
">\n\nIt would be exactly what Türkiye deserves. A slap in the face for selling NATO membership in such a corrupt way. The deal is we defend each other if attacked. Not a corrupt deal of I'll let you in if you help me get revenge on these people that I'm accusing of staging what I'm calling a coup even though accoring to me I did nothing wrong. This kind of corruption will ruin our institutions.",
">\n\n\nThe deal is we defend each other if attacked.\n\nI want you to let me in a military alliance where you are obliged to defend me if it necessary, however I will put arms embargo on you yet you still have to approve my application because as a westerner I am entitled to anything I want.",
">\n\nMost of NATO has arms embargos against Turkey, a situation that Turkey went out of its way to achieve.",
">\n\n\"Most\" is exaggerating. Turkey still gets a lot from other members. With the exception of Erdogan being authoritarian and buying S400, all other decisions that caused sanctions were worth it. \nPlus, bold of you to assume Turkey would let the others in if they were in Finland or Sweden's position.",
">\n\nTurkey will get what it wants. Once it gets what it wants, it will demand more. It will keep making demands because it can and there are no consequences.",
">\n\nNo you explain why arms embargo makes sense in a defensive alliance. Die for me if I am attacked meanwhile I will also embargo you. IMO NATO needs to kick Tukey so they stop dreaming of becoming EU member or whatever, as if the Europeans will ever accept Turkey as one of them. This runaround is going on for a very long time.",
">\n\nThis has never been a problem. Both countries have made it clear that it would not make sense to ban weapons from someone you ask to help defend you.\nThe real problem for Turkey and Erdogan is that they harbor Kurdish activists that Turkey would like to get their hands on.",
">\n\nIf there is still a problem, yes, it will be clear it's the activists. I think this past week or so, Sweden, having already accelerated the extradition process to send a number of Kurds to Türkiye, got a result. But not a result Erdogan sought for his revenge. The process, rightfully independent from political executive, denied the extradition.",
">\n\nIt will never be enough. Erdogan asks for a cookie but wants the factory it was made in.",
">\n\nI really wish we could just kick Turkey out of NATO in exchange for Sweden and Finland, but unfortunately their strategic position makes that seems highly unlikely.",
">\n\nIf turkey was kicked out of NATO, you would most likely not be able to live comfortably in your parents house in your late 20s right now. The airbase they provide allowed the raids on terrorists."
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But the "wish we exchanged them for sweden and finland" part implies that they would be a better option security wise, kind of contradicting yourself. Funny.
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"I dislike Turkey as much as everyone else but to be honest its kinda weird to have a ban on arms sales to a country you are supposed to be in a military alliance with. \nBut i know other NATO countries have a ban on sales of weapons to Turkey and i dont know the backstory, so for all i know it could make sense.",
">\n\nTurkey is the only NATO country with the S-400, which is a Russian anti-aircraft / anti-missile defense system. The response was to not sell Turkey advanced jets like the F-35 because the fear was the S-400 could be used to determine the F-35s' weaknesses and flaws - whether done overtly by Turkey, or covertly by Russia.\nIt should be noted there are a few other NATO countries that have the S-300 system (developed in the mid/late 2000s) which is still dangerous, but no longer cutting edge or as much as a threat to the more advanced fighters.",
">\n\nIIRC it was a networking issue. The US did not want an f35 to be on the same network as a s400 setup.",
">\n\nCBA to change that WiFi password 🤷",
">\n\nDon't be silly. The F35 runs on Bluetooth",
">\n\nThat's why the recent f35 crash happened, lost its connection to remote controller",
">\n\nThe one in Texas?",
">\n\nYeah",
">\n\nThis is the best tl;dr I could make, original reduced by 87%. (I'm a bot)\n\n\nHELSINKI - Finland and Sweden have adopted a common \"Future ally\" approach with Turkey in an attempt to fast-track their NATO membership - something hindered by the Ankara government.\nNeither Finland nor Sweden imposed a formal ban on arms exports to Turkey.\nIn soliciting Turkey's support for NATO membership, Sweden and Finland have also found themselves defending their positions and policies toward the Kurdish PYD Democratic Union Party and its armed militia, the Syrian Kurdish YPG. The PYD has links to the Kurdistan Workers' Party, or PKK, which the U.S. and the European Union, including Finland and Sweden, consider a terrorist organization.\n\n\nExtended Summary | FAQ | Feedback | Top keywords: Turkey^#1 Sweden^#2 Finland^#3 export^#4 NATO^#5",
">\n\nNot that I advocate this, but is there anything to stop them from reversing the policies once they are full members? If the situation changes, Sweden and Finland could change their minds back. Maybe I’d feel differently if Turkish democracy would go forward again and Erdogan stop jailing his opponents.",
">\n\nIt would be exactly what Türkiye deserves. A slap in the face for selling NATO membership in such a corrupt way. The deal is we defend each other if attacked. Not a corrupt deal of I'll let you in if you help me get revenge on these people that I'm accusing of staging what I'm calling a coup even though accoring to me I did nothing wrong. This kind of corruption will ruin our institutions.",
">\n\n\nThe deal is we defend each other if attacked.\n\nI want you to let me in a military alliance where you are obliged to defend me if it necessary, however I will put arms embargo on you yet you still have to approve my application because as a westerner I am entitled to anything I want.",
">\n\nMost of NATO has arms embargos against Turkey, a situation that Turkey went out of its way to achieve.",
">\n\n\"Most\" is exaggerating. Turkey still gets a lot from other members. With the exception of Erdogan being authoritarian and buying S400, all other decisions that caused sanctions were worth it. \nPlus, bold of you to assume Turkey would let the others in if they were in Finland or Sweden's position.",
">\n\nTurkey will get what it wants. Once it gets what it wants, it will demand more. It will keep making demands because it can and there are no consequences.",
">\n\nNo you explain why arms embargo makes sense in a defensive alliance. Die for me if I am attacked meanwhile I will also embargo you. IMO NATO needs to kick Tukey so they stop dreaming of becoming EU member or whatever, as if the Europeans will ever accept Turkey as one of them. This runaround is going on for a very long time.",
">\n\nThis has never been a problem. Both countries have made it clear that it would not make sense to ban weapons from someone you ask to help defend you.\nThe real problem for Turkey and Erdogan is that they harbor Kurdish activists that Turkey would like to get their hands on.",
">\n\nIf there is still a problem, yes, it will be clear it's the activists. I think this past week or so, Sweden, having already accelerated the extradition process to send a number of Kurds to Türkiye, got a result. But not a result Erdogan sought for his revenge. The process, rightfully independent from political executive, denied the extradition.",
">\n\nIt will never be enough. Erdogan asks for a cookie but wants the factory it was made in.",
">\n\nI really wish we could just kick Turkey out of NATO in exchange for Sweden and Finland, but unfortunately their strategic position makes that seems highly unlikely.",
">\n\nIf turkey was kicked out of NATO, you would most likely not be able to live comfortably in your parents house in your late 20s right now. The airbase they provide allowed the raids on terrorists.",
">\n\nDid you even read my comment, or did you just decide to immediately get defensive and try and insinuate I’m somehow dependent on my parents lmao? “Strategic position” would also include airbases for attacking terrorists. That’s what makes it…you guessed it…strategic. Low effort attempt. Don’t get pissy bc the west is tired of Turkey’s shenanigans and descent into autocracy"
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Not even a little, all that sentence means is that they’d be more preferable. The more preferable choice doesn’t have to be the best choice, hell a more preferable choice when viewed from angles A and B can be a less preferable choice when viewed from angles C and D. Which is the exact situation we find ourselves in. Yes, Turkey is the better ally to have in NATO when considering their proximity and geographic location. However they are by far the worse ally to have when it comes to keeping the politics and mechanisms of the alliance actually functioning.
It would not surprise me at all to one day see a NATO v2 that removed the unanimous decision requirement and instead made it a super majority.
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"I dislike Turkey as much as everyone else but to be honest its kinda weird to have a ban on arms sales to a country you are supposed to be in a military alliance with. \nBut i know other NATO countries have a ban on sales of weapons to Turkey and i dont know the backstory, so for all i know it could make sense.",
">\n\nTurkey is the only NATO country with the S-400, which is a Russian anti-aircraft / anti-missile defense system. The response was to not sell Turkey advanced jets like the F-35 because the fear was the S-400 could be used to determine the F-35s' weaknesses and flaws - whether done overtly by Turkey, or covertly by Russia.\nIt should be noted there are a few other NATO countries that have the S-300 system (developed in the mid/late 2000s) which is still dangerous, but no longer cutting edge or as much as a threat to the more advanced fighters.",
">\n\nIIRC it was a networking issue. The US did not want an f35 to be on the same network as a s400 setup.",
">\n\nCBA to change that WiFi password 🤷",
">\n\nDon't be silly. The F35 runs on Bluetooth",
">\n\nThat's why the recent f35 crash happened, lost its connection to remote controller",
">\n\nThe one in Texas?",
">\n\nYeah",
">\n\nThis is the best tl;dr I could make, original reduced by 87%. (I'm a bot)\n\n\nHELSINKI - Finland and Sweden have adopted a common \"Future ally\" approach with Turkey in an attempt to fast-track their NATO membership - something hindered by the Ankara government.\nNeither Finland nor Sweden imposed a formal ban on arms exports to Turkey.\nIn soliciting Turkey's support for NATO membership, Sweden and Finland have also found themselves defending their positions and policies toward the Kurdish PYD Democratic Union Party and its armed militia, the Syrian Kurdish YPG. The PYD has links to the Kurdistan Workers' Party, or PKK, which the U.S. and the European Union, including Finland and Sweden, consider a terrorist organization.\n\n\nExtended Summary | FAQ | Feedback | Top keywords: Turkey^#1 Sweden^#2 Finland^#3 export^#4 NATO^#5",
">\n\nNot that I advocate this, but is there anything to stop them from reversing the policies once they are full members? If the situation changes, Sweden and Finland could change their minds back. Maybe I’d feel differently if Turkish democracy would go forward again and Erdogan stop jailing his opponents.",
">\n\nIt would be exactly what Türkiye deserves. A slap in the face for selling NATO membership in such a corrupt way. The deal is we defend each other if attacked. Not a corrupt deal of I'll let you in if you help me get revenge on these people that I'm accusing of staging what I'm calling a coup even though accoring to me I did nothing wrong. This kind of corruption will ruin our institutions.",
">\n\n\nThe deal is we defend each other if attacked.\n\nI want you to let me in a military alliance where you are obliged to defend me if it necessary, however I will put arms embargo on you yet you still have to approve my application because as a westerner I am entitled to anything I want.",
">\n\nMost of NATO has arms embargos against Turkey, a situation that Turkey went out of its way to achieve.",
">\n\n\"Most\" is exaggerating. Turkey still gets a lot from other members. With the exception of Erdogan being authoritarian and buying S400, all other decisions that caused sanctions were worth it. \nPlus, bold of you to assume Turkey would let the others in if they were in Finland or Sweden's position.",
">\n\nTurkey will get what it wants. Once it gets what it wants, it will demand more. It will keep making demands because it can and there are no consequences.",
">\n\nNo you explain why arms embargo makes sense in a defensive alliance. Die for me if I am attacked meanwhile I will also embargo you. IMO NATO needs to kick Tukey so they stop dreaming of becoming EU member or whatever, as if the Europeans will ever accept Turkey as one of them. This runaround is going on for a very long time.",
">\n\nThis has never been a problem. Both countries have made it clear that it would not make sense to ban weapons from someone you ask to help defend you.\nThe real problem for Turkey and Erdogan is that they harbor Kurdish activists that Turkey would like to get their hands on.",
">\n\nIf there is still a problem, yes, it will be clear it's the activists. I think this past week or so, Sweden, having already accelerated the extradition process to send a number of Kurds to Türkiye, got a result. But not a result Erdogan sought for his revenge. The process, rightfully independent from political executive, denied the extradition.",
">\n\nIt will never be enough. Erdogan asks for a cookie but wants the factory it was made in.",
">\n\nI really wish we could just kick Turkey out of NATO in exchange for Sweden and Finland, but unfortunately their strategic position makes that seems highly unlikely.",
">\n\nIf turkey was kicked out of NATO, you would most likely not be able to live comfortably in your parents house in your late 20s right now. The airbase they provide allowed the raids on terrorists.",
">\n\nDid you even read my comment, or did you just decide to immediately get defensive and try and insinuate I’m somehow dependent on my parents lmao? “Strategic position” would also include airbases for attacking terrorists. That’s what makes it…you guessed it…strategic. Low effort attempt. Don’t get pissy bc the west is tired of Turkey’s shenanigans and descent into autocracy",
">\n\nBut the \"wish we exchanged them for sweden and finland\" part implies that they would be a better option security wise, kind of contradicting yourself. Funny."
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Honestly, fuck it. Finland and Sweden should just stay out of NATO if this is going to be the price. They're already de facto in NATO as the major NATO powers have already said they would intervene if Russia attacked them. So there's no real need to "make it official" if Turkey is going to be such bastards about it.
Furthermore Russia's laughable performance in Ukraine has shown they're much less dangerous than previously thought. People used to fear Russia could march on to Warsaw or even Berlin any time they wanted, with only the promise of US military intervention preventing this. Now we've seen that's not even remotely the case. They can't even manage to march on to Kiev, and that's without US intervention! Ultimate paper tiger.
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"I dislike Turkey as much as everyone else but to be honest its kinda weird to have a ban on arms sales to a country you are supposed to be in a military alliance with. \nBut i know other NATO countries have a ban on sales of weapons to Turkey and i dont know the backstory, so for all i know it could make sense.",
">\n\nTurkey is the only NATO country with the S-400, which is a Russian anti-aircraft / anti-missile defense system. The response was to not sell Turkey advanced jets like the F-35 because the fear was the S-400 could be used to determine the F-35s' weaknesses and flaws - whether done overtly by Turkey, or covertly by Russia.\nIt should be noted there are a few other NATO countries that have the S-300 system (developed in the mid/late 2000s) which is still dangerous, but no longer cutting edge or as much as a threat to the more advanced fighters.",
">\n\nIIRC it was a networking issue. The US did not want an f35 to be on the same network as a s400 setup.",
">\n\nCBA to change that WiFi password 🤷",
">\n\nDon't be silly. The F35 runs on Bluetooth",
">\n\nThat's why the recent f35 crash happened, lost its connection to remote controller",
">\n\nThe one in Texas?",
">\n\nYeah",
">\n\nThis is the best tl;dr I could make, original reduced by 87%. (I'm a bot)\n\n\nHELSINKI - Finland and Sweden have adopted a common \"Future ally\" approach with Turkey in an attempt to fast-track their NATO membership - something hindered by the Ankara government.\nNeither Finland nor Sweden imposed a formal ban on arms exports to Turkey.\nIn soliciting Turkey's support for NATO membership, Sweden and Finland have also found themselves defending their positions and policies toward the Kurdish PYD Democratic Union Party and its armed militia, the Syrian Kurdish YPG. The PYD has links to the Kurdistan Workers' Party, or PKK, which the U.S. and the European Union, including Finland and Sweden, consider a terrorist organization.\n\n\nExtended Summary | FAQ | Feedback | Top keywords: Turkey^#1 Sweden^#2 Finland^#3 export^#4 NATO^#5",
">\n\nNot that I advocate this, but is there anything to stop them from reversing the policies once they are full members? If the situation changes, Sweden and Finland could change their minds back. Maybe I’d feel differently if Turkish democracy would go forward again and Erdogan stop jailing his opponents.",
">\n\nIt would be exactly what Türkiye deserves. A slap in the face for selling NATO membership in such a corrupt way. The deal is we defend each other if attacked. Not a corrupt deal of I'll let you in if you help me get revenge on these people that I'm accusing of staging what I'm calling a coup even though accoring to me I did nothing wrong. This kind of corruption will ruin our institutions.",
">\n\n\nThe deal is we defend each other if attacked.\n\nI want you to let me in a military alliance where you are obliged to defend me if it necessary, however I will put arms embargo on you yet you still have to approve my application because as a westerner I am entitled to anything I want.",
">\n\nMost of NATO has arms embargos against Turkey, a situation that Turkey went out of its way to achieve.",
">\n\n\"Most\" is exaggerating. Turkey still gets a lot from other members. With the exception of Erdogan being authoritarian and buying S400, all other decisions that caused sanctions were worth it. \nPlus, bold of you to assume Turkey would let the others in if they were in Finland or Sweden's position.",
">\n\nTurkey will get what it wants. Once it gets what it wants, it will demand more. It will keep making demands because it can and there are no consequences.",
">\n\nNo you explain why arms embargo makes sense in a defensive alliance. Die for me if I am attacked meanwhile I will also embargo you. IMO NATO needs to kick Tukey so they stop dreaming of becoming EU member or whatever, as if the Europeans will ever accept Turkey as one of them. This runaround is going on for a very long time.",
">\n\nThis has never been a problem. Both countries have made it clear that it would not make sense to ban weapons from someone you ask to help defend you.\nThe real problem for Turkey and Erdogan is that they harbor Kurdish activists that Turkey would like to get their hands on.",
">\n\nIf there is still a problem, yes, it will be clear it's the activists. I think this past week or so, Sweden, having already accelerated the extradition process to send a number of Kurds to Türkiye, got a result. But not a result Erdogan sought for his revenge. The process, rightfully independent from political executive, denied the extradition.",
">\n\nIt will never be enough. Erdogan asks for a cookie but wants the factory it was made in.",
">\n\nI really wish we could just kick Turkey out of NATO in exchange for Sweden and Finland, but unfortunately their strategic position makes that seems highly unlikely.",
">\n\nIf turkey was kicked out of NATO, you would most likely not be able to live comfortably in your parents house in your late 20s right now. The airbase they provide allowed the raids on terrorists.",
">\n\nDid you even read my comment, or did you just decide to immediately get defensive and try and insinuate I’m somehow dependent on my parents lmao? “Strategic position” would also include airbases for attacking terrorists. That’s what makes it…you guessed it…strategic. Low effort attempt. Don’t get pissy bc the west is tired of Turkey’s shenanigans and descent into autocracy",
">\n\nBut the \"wish we exchanged them for sweden and finland\" part implies that they would be a better option security wise, kind of contradicting yourself. Funny.",
">\n\nNot even a little, all that sentence means is that they’d be more preferable. The more preferable choice doesn’t have to be the best choice, hell a more preferable choice when viewed from angles A and B can be a less preferable choice when viewed from angles C and D. Which is the exact situation we find ourselves in. Yes, Turkey is the better ally to have in NATO when considering their proximity and geographic location. However they are by far the worse ally to have when it comes to keeping the politics and mechanisms of the alliance actually functioning. \nIt would not surprise me at all to one day see a NATO v2 that removed the unanimous decision requirement and instead made it a super majority."
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What price? This is a completely reasonable demand.
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"I dislike Turkey as much as everyone else but to be honest its kinda weird to have a ban on arms sales to a country you are supposed to be in a military alliance with. \nBut i know other NATO countries have a ban on sales of weapons to Turkey and i dont know the backstory, so for all i know it could make sense.",
">\n\nTurkey is the only NATO country with the S-400, which is a Russian anti-aircraft / anti-missile defense system. The response was to not sell Turkey advanced jets like the F-35 because the fear was the S-400 could be used to determine the F-35s' weaknesses and flaws - whether done overtly by Turkey, or covertly by Russia.\nIt should be noted there are a few other NATO countries that have the S-300 system (developed in the mid/late 2000s) which is still dangerous, but no longer cutting edge or as much as a threat to the more advanced fighters.",
">\n\nIIRC it was a networking issue. The US did not want an f35 to be on the same network as a s400 setup.",
">\n\nCBA to change that WiFi password 🤷",
">\n\nDon't be silly. The F35 runs on Bluetooth",
">\n\nThat's why the recent f35 crash happened, lost its connection to remote controller",
">\n\nThe one in Texas?",
">\n\nYeah",
">\n\nThis is the best tl;dr I could make, original reduced by 87%. (I'm a bot)\n\n\nHELSINKI - Finland and Sweden have adopted a common \"Future ally\" approach with Turkey in an attempt to fast-track their NATO membership - something hindered by the Ankara government.\nNeither Finland nor Sweden imposed a formal ban on arms exports to Turkey.\nIn soliciting Turkey's support for NATO membership, Sweden and Finland have also found themselves defending their positions and policies toward the Kurdish PYD Democratic Union Party and its armed militia, the Syrian Kurdish YPG. The PYD has links to the Kurdistan Workers' Party, or PKK, which the U.S. and the European Union, including Finland and Sweden, consider a terrorist organization.\n\n\nExtended Summary | FAQ | Feedback | Top keywords: Turkey^#1 Sweden^#2 Finland^#3 export^#4 NATO^#5",
">\n\nNot that I advocate this, but is there anything to stop them from reversing the policies once they are full members? If the situation changes, Sweden and Finland could change their minds back. Maybe I’d feel differently if Turkish democracy would go forward again and Erdogan stop jailing his opponents.",
">\n\nIt would be exactly what Türkiye deserves. A slap in the face for selling NATO membership in such a corrupt way. The deal is we defend each other if attacked. Not a corrupt deal of I'll let you in if you help me get revenge on these people that I'm accusing of staging what I'm calling a coup even though accoring to me I did nothing wrong. This kind of corruption will ruin our institutions.",
">\n\n\nThe deal is we defend each other if attacked.\n\nI want you to let me in a military alliance where you are obliged to defend me if it necessary, however I will put arms embargo on you yet you still have to approve my application because as a westerner I am entitled to anything I want.",
">\n\nMost of NATO has arms embargos against Turkey, a situation that Turkey went out of its way to achieve.",
">\n\n\"Most\" is exaggerating. Turkey still gets a lot from other members. With the exception of Erdogan being authoritarian and buying S400, all other decisions that caused sanctions were worth it. \nPlus, bold of you to assume Turkey would let the others in if they were in Finland or Sweden's position.",
">\n\nTurkey will get what it wants. Once it gets what it wants, it will demand more. It will keep making demands because it can and there are no consequences.",
">\n\nNo you explain why arms embargo makes sense in a defensive alliance. Die for me if I am attacked meanwhile I will also embargo you. IMO NATO needs to kick Tukey so they stop dreaming of becoming EU member or whatever, as if the Europeans will ever accept Turkey as one of them. This runaround is going on for a very long time.",
">\n\nThis has never been a problem. Both countries have made it clear that it would not make sense to ban weapons from someone you ask to help defend you.\nThe real problem for Turkey and Erdogan is that they harbor Kurdish activists that Turkey would like to get their hands on.",
">\n\nIf there is still a problem, yes, it will be clear it's the activists. I think this past week or so, Sweden, having already accelerated the extradition process to send a number of Kurds to Türkiye, got a result. But not a result Erdogan sought for his revenge. The process, rightfully independent from political executive, denied the extradition.",
">\n\nIt will never be enough. Erdogan asks for a cookie but wants the factory it was made in.",
">\n\nI really wish we could just kick Turkey out of NATO in exchange for Sweden and Finland, but unfortunately their strategic position makes that seems highly unlikely.",
">\n\nIf turkey was kicked out of NATO, you would most likely not be able to live comfortably in your parents house in your late 20s right now. The airbase they provide allowed the raids on terrorists.",
">\n\nDid you even read my comment, or did you just decide to immediately get defensive and try and insinuate I’m somehow dependent on my parents lmao? “Strategic position” would also include airbases for attacking terrorists. That’s what makes it…you guessed it…strategic. Low effort attempt. Don’t get pissy bc the west is tired of Turkey’s shenanigans and descent into autocracy",
">\n\nBut the \"wish we exchanged them for sweden and finland\" part implies that they would be a better option security wise, kind of contradicting yourself. Funny.",
">\n\nNot even a little, all that sentence means is that they’d be more preferable. The more preferable choice doesn’t have to be the best choice, hell a more preferable choice when viewed from angles A and B can be a less preferable choice when viewed from angles C and D. Which is the exact situation we find ourselves in. Yes, Turkey is the better ally to have in NATO when considering their proximity and geographic location. However they are by far the worse ally to have when it comes to keeping the politics and mechanisms of the alliance actually functioning. \nIt would not surprise me at all to one day see a NATO v2 that removed the unanimous decision requirement and instead made it a super majority.",
">\n\nHonestly, fuck it. Finland and Sweden should just stay out of NATO if this is going to be the price. They're already de facto in NATO as the major NATO powers have already said they would intervene if Russia attacked them. So there's no real need to \"make it official\" if Turkey is going to be such bastards about it.\nFurthermore Russia's laughable performance in Ukraine has shown they're much less dangerous than previously thought. People used to fear Russia could march on to Warsaw or even Berlin any time they wanted, with only the promise of US military intervention preventing this. Now we've seen that's not even remotely the case. They can't even manage to march on to Kiev, and that's without US intervention! Ultimate paper tiger."
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Not at all. Turkey is a brutal dictatorship using these weapons to massacre Kurds and invade sovereign Syrian and Iraqi territory.
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"I dislike Turkey as much as everyone else but to be honest its kinda weird to have a ban on arms sales to a country you are supposed to be in a military alliance with. \nBut i know other NATO countries have a ban on sales of weapons to Turkey and i dont know the backstory, so for all i know it could make sense.",
">\n\nTurkey is the only NATO country with the S-400, which is a Russian anti-aircraft / anti-missile defense system. The response was to not sell Turkey advanced jets like the F-35 because the fear was the S-400 could be used to determine the F-35s' weaknesses and flaws - whether done overtly by Turkey, or covertly by Russia.\nIt should be noted there are a few other NATO countries that have the S-300 system (developed in the mid/late 2000s) which is still dangerous, but no longer cutting edge or as much as a threat to the more advanced fighters.",
">\n\nIIRC it was a networking issue. The US did not want an f35 to be on the same network as a s400 setup.",
">\n\nCBA to change that WiFi password 🤷",
">\n\nDon't be silly. The F35 runs on Bluetooth",
">\n\nThat's why the recent f35 crash happened, lost its connection to remote controller",
">\n\nThe one in Texas?",
">\n\nYeah",
">\n\nThis is the best tl;dr I could make, original reduced by 87%. (I'm a bot)\n\n\nHELSINKI - Finland and Sweden have adopted a common \"Future ally\" approach with Turkey in an attempt to fast-track their NATO membership - something hindered by the Ankara government.\nNeither Finland nor Sweden imposed a formal ban on arms exports to Turkey.\nIn soliciting Turkey's support for NATO membership, Sweden and Finland have also found themselves defending their positions and policies toward the Kurdish PYD Democratic Union Party and its armed militia, the Syrian Kurdish YPG. The PYD has links to the Kurdistan Workers' Party, or PKK, which the U.S. and the European Union, including Finland and Sweden, consider a terrorist organization.\n\n\nExtended Summary | FAQ | Feedback | Top keywords: Turkey^#1 Sweden^#2 Finland^#3 export^#4 NATO^#5",
">\n\nNot that I advocate this, but is there anything to stop them from reversing the policies once they are full members? If the situation changes, Sweden and Finland could change their minds back. Maybe I’d feel differently if Turkish democracy would go forward again and Erdogan stop jailing his opponents.",
">\n\nIt would be exactly what Türkiye deserves. A slap in the face for selling NATO membership in such a corrupt way. The deal is we defend each other if attacked. Not a corrupt deal of I'll let you in if you help me get revenge on these people that I'm accusing of staging what I'm calling a coup even though accoring to me I did nothing wrong. This kind of corruption will ruin our institutions.",
">\n\n\nThe deal is we defend each other if attacked.\n\nI want you to let me in a military alliance where you are obliged to defend me if it necessary, however I will put arms embargo on you yet you still have to approve my application because as a westerner I am entitled to anything I want.",
">\n\nMost of NATO has arms embargos against Turkey, a situation that Turkey went out of its way to achieve.",
">\n\n\"Most\" is exaggerating. Turkey still gets a lot from other members. With the exception of Erdogan being authoritarian and buying S400, all other decisions that caused sanctions were worth it. \nPlus, bold of you to assume Turkey would let the others in if they were in Finland or Sweden's position.",
">\n\nTurkey will get what it wants. Once it gets what it wants, it will demand more. It will keep making demands because it can and there are no consequences.",
">\n\nNo you explain why arms embargo makes sense in a defensive alliance. Die for me if I am attacked meanwhile I will also embargo you. IMO NATO needs to kick Tukey so they stop dreaming of becoming EU member or whatever, as if the Europeans will ever accept Turkey as one of them. This runaround is going on for a very long time.",
">\n\nThis has never been a problem. Both countries have made it clear that it would not make sense to ban weapons from someone you ask to help defend you.\nThe real problem for Turkey and Erdogan is that they harbor Kurdish activists that Turkey would like to get their hands on.",
">\n\nIf there is still a problem, yes, it will be clear it's the activists. I think this past week or so, Sweden, having already accelerated the extradition process to send a number of Kurds to Türkiye, got a result. But not a result Erdogan sought for his revenge. The process, rightfully independent from political executive, denied the extradition.",
">\n\nIt will never be enough. Erdogan asks for a cookie but wants the factory it was made in.",
">\n\nI really wish we could just kick Turkey out of NATO in exchange for Sweden and Finland, but unfortunately their strategic position makes that seems highly unlikely.",
">\n\nIf turkey was kicked out of NATO, you would most likely not be able to live comfortably in your parents house in your late 20s right now. The airbase they provide allowed the raids on terrorists.",
">\n\nDid you even read my comment, or did you just decide to immediately get defensive and try and insinuate I’m somehow dependent on my parents lmao? “Strategic position” would also include airbases for attacking terrorists. That’s what makes it…you guessed it…strategic. Low effort attempt. Don’t get pissy bc the west is tired of Turkey’s shenanigans and descent into autocracy",
">\n\nBut the \"wish we exchanged them for sweden and finland\" part implies that they would be a better option security wise, kind of contradicting yourself. Funny.",
">\n\nNot even a little, all that sentence means is that they’d be more preferable. The more preferable choice doesn’t have to be the best choice, hell a more preferable choice when viewed from angles A and B can be a less preferable choice when viewed from angles C and D. Which is the exact situation we find ourselves in. Yes, Turkey is the better ally to have in NATO when considering their proximity and geographic location. However they are by far the worse ally to have when it comes to keeping the politics and mechanisms of the alliance actually functioning. \nIt would not surprise me at all to one day see a NATO v2 that removed the unanimous decision requirement and instead made it a super majority.",
">\n\nHonestly, fuck it. Finland and Sweden should just stay out of NATO if this is going to be the price. They're already de facto in NATO as the major NATO powers have already said they would intervene if Russia attacked them. So there's no real need to \"make it official\" if Turkey is going to be such bastards about it.\nFurthermore Russia's laughable performance in Ukraine has shown they're much less dangerous than previously thought. People used to fear Russia could march on to Warsaw or even Berlin any time they wanted, with only the promise of US military intervention preventing this. Now we've seen that's not even remotely the case. They can't even manage to march on to Kiev, and that's without US intervention! Ultimate paper tiger.",
">\n\nWhat price? This is a completely reasonable demand."
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So they'll cooperate for a year, join NATO, and resume. If Turkey complains, what can they reasonably do? Individual states cannot throw a member out of NATO.
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"I dislike Turkey as much as everyone else but to be honest its kinda weird to have a ban on arms sales to a country you are supposed to be in a military alliance with. \nBut i know other NATO countries have a ban on sales of weapons to Turkey and i dont know the backstory, so for all i know it could make sense.",
">\n\nTurkey is the only NATO country with the S-400, which is a Russian anti-aircraft / anti-missile defense system. The response was to not sell Turkey advanced jets like the F-35 because the fear was the S-400 could be used to determine the F-35s' weaknesses and flaws - whether done overtly by Turkey, or covertly by Russia.\nIt should be noted there are a few other NATO countries that have the S-300 system (developed in the mid/late 2000s) which is still dangerous, but no longer cutting edge or as much as a threat to the more advanced fighters.",
">\n\nIIRC it was a networking issue. The US did not want an f35 to be on the same network as a s400 setup.",
">\n\nCBA to change that WiFi password 🤷",
">\n\nDon't be silly. The F35 runs on Bluetooth",
">\n\nThat's why the recent f35 crash happened, lost its connection to remote controller",
">\n\nThe one in Texas?",
">\n\nYeah",
">\n\nThis is the best tl;dr I could make, original reduced by 87%. (I'm a bot)\n\n\nHELSINKI - Finland and Sweden have adopted a common \"Future ally\" approach with Turkey in an attempt to fast-track their NATO membership - something hindered by the Ankara government.\nNeither Finland nor Sweden imposed a formal ban on arms exports to Turkey.\nIn soliciting Turkey's support for NATO membership, Sweden and Finland have also found themselves defending their positions and policies toward the Kurdish PYD Democratic Union Party and its armed militia, the Syrian Kurdish YPG. The PYD has links to the Kurdistan Workers' Party, or PKK, which the U.S. and the European Union, including Finland and Sweden, consider a terrorist organization.\n\n\nExtended Summary | FAQ | Feedback | Top keywords: Turkey^#1 Sweden^#2 Finland^#3 export^#4 NATO^#5",
">\n\nNot that I advocate this, but is there anything to stop them from reversing the policies once they are full members? If the situation changes, Sweden and Finland could change their minds back. Maybe I’d feel differently if Turkish democracy would go forward again and Erdogan stop jailing his opponents.",
">\n\nIt would be exactly what Türkiye deserves. A slap in the face for selling NATO membership in such a corrupt way. The deal is we defend each other if attacked. Not a corrupt deal of I'll let you in if you help me get revenge on these people that I'm accusing of staging what I'm calling a coup even though accoring to me I did nothing wrong. This kind of corruption will ruin our institutions.",
">\n\n\nThe deal is we defend each other if attacked.\n\nI want you to let me in a military alliance where you are obliged to defend me if it necessary, however I will put arms embargo on you yet you still have to approve my application because as a westerner I am entitled to anything I want.",
">\n\nMost of NATO has arms embargos against Turkey, a situation that Turkey went out of its way to achieve.",
">\n\n\"Most\" is exaggerating. Turkey still gets a lot from other members. With the exception of Erdogan being authoritarian and buying S400, all other decisions that caused sanctions were worth it. \nPlus, bold of you to assume Turkey would let the others in if they were in Finland or Sweden's position.",
">\n\nTurkey will get what it wants. Once it gets what it wants, it will demand more. It will keep making demands because it can and there are no consequences.",
">\n\nNo you explain why arms embargo makes sense in a defensive alliance. Die for me if I am attacked meanwhile I will also embargo you. IMO NATO needs to kick Tukey so they stop dreaming of becoming EU member or whatever, as if the Europeans will ever accept Turkey as one of them. This runaround is going on for a very long time.",
">\n\nThis has never been a problem. Both countries have made it clear that it would not make sense to ban weapons from someone you ask to help defend you.\nThe real problem for Turkey and Erdogan is that they harbor Kurdish activists that Turkey would like to get their hands on.",
">\n\nIf there is still a problem, yes, it will be clear it's the activists. I think this past week or so, Sweden, having already accelerated the extradition process to send a number of Kurds to Türkiye, got a result. But not a result Erdogan sought for his revenge. The process, rightfully independent from political executive, denied the extradition.",
">\n\nIt will never be enough. Erdogan asks for a cookie but wants the factory it was made in.",
">\n\nI really wish we could just kick Turkey out of NATO in exchange for Sweden and Finland, but unfortunately their strategic position makes that seems highly unlikely.",
">\n\nIf turkey was kicked out of NATO, you would most likely not be able to live comfortably in your parents house in your late 20s right now. The airbase they provide allowed the raids on terrorists.",
">\n\nDid you even read my comment, or did you just decide to immediately get defensive and try and insinuate I’m somehow dependent on my parents lmao? “Strategic position” would also include airbases for attacking terrorists. That’s what makes it…you guessed it…strategic. Low effort attempt. Don’t get pissy bc the west is tired of Turkey’s shenanigans and descent into autocracy",
">\n\nBut the \"wish we exchanged them for sweden and finland\" part implies that they would be a better option security wise, kind of contradicting yourself. Funny.",
">\n\nNot even a little, all that sentence means is that they’d be more preferable. The more preferable choice doesn’t have to be the best choice, hell a more preferable choice when viewed from angles A and B can be a less preferable choice when viewed from angles C and D. Which is the exact situation we find ourselves in. Yes, Turkey is the better ally to have in NATO when considering their proximity and geographic location. However they are by far the worse ally to have when it comes to keeping the politics and mechanisms of the alliance actually functioning. \nIt would not surprise me at all to one day see a NATO v2 that removed the unanimous decision requirement and instead made it a super majority.",
">\n\nHonestly, fuck it. Finland and Sweden should just stay out of NATO if this is going to be the price. They're already de facto in NATO as the major NATO powers have already said they would intervene if Russia attacked them. So there's no real need to \"make it official\" if Turkey is going to be such bastards about it.\nFurthermore Russia's laughable performance in Ukraine has shown they're much less dangerous than previously thought. People used to fear Russia could march on to Warsaw or even Berlin any time they wanted, with only the promise of US military intervention preventing this. Now we've seen that's not even remotely the case. They can't even manage to march on to Kiev, and that's without US intervention! Ultimate paper tiger.",
">\n\nWhat price? This is a completely reasonable demand.",
">\n\nNot at all. Turkey is a brutal dictatorship using these weapons to massacre Kurds and invade sovereign Syrian and Iraqi territory."
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The hatred of the Kurds is a puzzle to me. Turkey is a remnant of the great Ottoman empire that was on the losing side of WWI. Before that, the great hero of the Arab world was Saladin, a Kurdish sultan of Egypt and Syria who fought the European Crusaders and won important battles. At the height of his power, Saladin conquered Egypt, Syria, Upper Mesopotamia, the Hejaz, Yemen, the Maghreb, and Nubia. Saladin has been described as the most famous Kurdish figure in human history.
Kurdistan is a region, but not a country. The region includes parts of Turkey, Iran, Iraq, and Syria. Kurdistan in the Middle Ages was a group of states called emirates.
After WWI the victors divided the Ottoman territory into separate nations. The Turkish war of independence created the modern nation of Turkey.
There is a Kurdistan region, but not a country. This seems like a historic promise, unfulfilled.
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"I dislike Turkey as much as everyone else but to be honest its kinda weird to have a ban on arms sales to a country you are supposed to be in a military alliance with. \nBut i know other NATO countries have a ban on sales of weapons to Turkey and i dont know the backstory, so for all i know it could make sense.",
">\n\nTurkey is the only NATO country with the S-400, which is a Russian anti-aircraft / anti-missile defense system. The response was to not sell Turkey advanced jets like the F-35 because the fear was the S-400 could be used to determine the F-35s' weaknesses and flaws - whether done overtly by Turkey, or covertly by Russia.\nIt should be noted there are a few other NATO countries that have the S-300 system (developed in the mid/late 2000s) which is still dangerous, but no longer cutting edge or as much as a threat to the more advanced fighters.",
">\n\nIIRC it was a networking issue. The US did not want an f35 to be on the same network as a s400 setup.",
">\n\nCBA to change that WiFi password 🤷",
">\n\nDon't be silly. The F35 runs on Bluetooth",
">\n\nThat's why the recent f35 crash happened, lost its connection to remote controller",
">\n\nThe one in Texas?",
">\n\nYeah",
">\n\nThis is the best tl;dr I could make, original reduced by 87%. (I'm a bot)\n\n\nHELSINKI - Finland and Sweden have adopted a common \"Future ally\" approach with Turkey in an attempt to fast-track their NATO membership - something hindered by the Ankara government.\nNeither Finland nor Sweden imposed a formal ban on arms exports to Turkey.\nIn soliciting Turkey's support for NATO membership, Sweden and Finland have also found themselves defending their positions and policies toward the Kurdish PYD Democratic Union Party and its armed militia, the Syrian Kurdish YPG. The PYD has links to the Kurdistan Workers' Party, or PKK, which the U.S. and the European Union, including Finland and Sweden, consider a terrorist organization.\n\n\nExtended Summary | FAQ | Feedback | Top keywords: Turkey^#1 Sweden^#2 Finland^#3 export^#4 NATO^#5",
">\n\nNot that I advocate this, but is there anything to stop them from reversing the policies once they are full members? If the situation changes, Sweden and Finland could change their minds back. Maybe I’d feel differently if Turkish democracy would go forward again and Erdogan stop jailing his opponents.",
">\n\nIt would be exactly what Türkiye deserves. A slap in the face for selling NATO membership in such a corrupt way. The deal is we defend each other if attacked. Not a corrupt deal of I'll let you in if you help me get revenge on these people that I'm accusing of staging what I'm calling a coup even though accoring to me I did nothing wrong. This kind of corruption will ruin our institutions.",
">\n\n\nThe deal is we defend each other if attacked.\n\nI want you to let me in a military alliance where you are obliged to defend me if it necessary, however I will put arms embargo on you yet you still have to approve my application because as a westerner I am entitled to anything I want.",
">\n\nMost of NATO has arms embargos against Turkey, a situation that Turkey went out of its way to achieve.",
">\n\n\"Most\" is exaggerating. Turkey still gets a lot from other members. With the exception of Erdogan being authoritarian and buying S400, all other decisions that caused sanctions were worth it. \nPlus, bold of you to assume Turkey would let the others in if they were in Finland or Sweden's position.",
">\n\nTurkey will get what it wants. Once it gets what it wants, it will demand more. It will keep making demands because it can and there are no consequences.",
">\n\nNo you explain why arms embargo makes sense in a defensive alliance. Die for me if I am attacked meanwhile I will also embargo you. IMO NATO needs to kick Tukey so they stop dreaming of becoming EU member or whatever, as if the Europeans will ever accept Turkey as one of them. This runaround is going on for a very long time.",
">\n\nThis has never been a problem. Both countries have made it clear that it would not make sense to ban weapons from someone you ask to help defend you.\nThe real problem for Turkey and Erdogan is that they harbor Kurdish activists that Turkey would like to get their hands on.",
">\n\nIf there is still a problem, yes, it will be clear it's the activists. I think this past week or so, Sweden, having already accelerated the extradition process to send a number of Kurds to Türkiye, got a result. But not a result Erdogan sought for his revenge. The process, rightfully independent from political executive, denied the extradition.",
">\n\nIt will never be enough. Erdogan asks for a cookie but wants the factory it was made in.",
">\n\nI really wish we could just kick Turkey out of NATO in exchange for Sweden and Finland, but unfortunately their strategic position makes that seems highly unlikely.",
">\n\nIf turkey was kicked out of NATO, you would most likely not be able to live comfortably in your parents house in your late 20s right now. The airbase they provide allowed the raids on terrorists.",
">\n\nDid you even read my comment, or did you just decide to immediately get defensive and try and insinuate I’m somehow dependent on my parents lmao? “Strategic position” would also include airbases for attacking terrorists. That’s what makes it…you guessed it…strategic. Low effort attempt. Don’t get pissy bc the west is tired of Turkey’s shenanigans and descent into autocracy",
">\n\nBut the \"wish we exchanged them for sweden and finland\" part implies that they would be a better option security wise, kind of contradicting yourself. Funny.",
">\n\nNot even a little, all that sentence means is that they’d be more preferable. The more preferable choice doesn’t have to be the best choice, hell a more preferable choice when viewed from angles A and B can be a less preferable choice when viewed from angles C and D. Which is the exact situation we find ourselves in. Yes, Turkey is the better ally to have in NATO when considering their proximity and geographic location. However they are by far the worse ally to have when it comes to keeping the politics and mechanisms of the alliance actually functioning. \nIt would not surprise me at all to one day see a NATO v2 that removed the unanimous decision requirement and instead made it a super majority.",
">\n\nHonestly, fuck it. Finland and Sweden should just stay out of NATO if this is going to be the price. They're already de facto in NATO as the major NATO powers have already said they would intervene if Russia attacked them. So there's no real need to \"make it official\" if Turkey is going to be such bastards about it.\nFurthermore Russia's laughable performance in Ukraine has shown they're much less dangerous than previously thought. People used to fear Russia could march on to Warsaw or even Berlin any time they wanted, with only the promise of US military intervention preventing this. Now we've seen that's not even remotely the case. They can't even manage to march on to Kiev, and that's without US intervention! Ultimate paper tiger.",
">\n\nWhat price? This is a completely reasonable demand.",
">\n\nNot at all. Turkey is a brutal dictatorship using these weapons to massacre Kurds and invade sovereign Syrian and Iraqi territory.",
">\n\nSo they'll cooperate for a year, join NATO, and resume. If Turkey complains, what can they reasonably do? Individual states cannot throw a member out of NATO."
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Its nice when family members get along.
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"I dislike Turkey as much as everyone else but to be honest its kinda weird to have a ban on arms sales to a country you are supposed to be in a military alliance with. \nBut i know other NATO countries have a ban on sales of weapons to Turkey and i dont know the backstory, so for all i know it could make sense.",
">\n\nTurkey is the only NATO country with the S-400, which is a Russian anti-aircraft / anti-missile defense system. The response was to not sell Turkey advanced jets like the F-35 because the fear was the S-400 could be used to determine the F-35s' weaknesses and flaws - whether done overtly by Turkey, or covertly by Russia.\nIt should be noted there are a few other NATO countries that have the S-300 system (developed in the mid/late 2000s) which is still dangerous, but no longer cutting edge or as much as a threat to the more advanced fighters.",
">\n\nIIRC it was a networking issue. The US did not want an f35 to be on the same network as a s400 setup.",
">\n\nCBA to change that WiFi password 🤷",
">\n\nDon't be silly. The F35 runs on Bluetooth",
">\n\nThat's why the recent f35 crash happened, lost its connection to remote controller",
">\n\nThe one in Texas?",
">\n\nYeah",
">\n\nThis is the best tl;dr I could make, original reduced by 87%. (I'm a bot)\n\n\nHELSINKI - Finland and Sweden have adopted a common \"Future ally\" approach with Turkey in an attempt to fast-track their NATO membership - something hindered by the Ankara government.\nNeither Finland nor Sweden imposed a formal ban on arms exports to Turkey.\nIn soliciting Turkey's support for NATO membership, Sweden and Finland have also found themselves defending their positions and policies toward the Kurdish PYD Democratic Union Party and its armed militia, the Syrian Kurdish YPG. The PYD has links to the Kurdistan Workers' Party, or PKK, which the U.S. and the European Union, including Finland and Sweden, consider a terrorist organization.\n\n\nExtended Summary | FAQ | Feedback | Top keywords: Turkey^#1 Sweden^#2 Finland^#3 export^#4 NATO^#5",
">\n\nNot that I advocate this, but is there anything to stop them from reversing the policies once they are full members? If the situation changes, Sweden and Finland could change their minds back. Maybe I’d feel differently if Turkish democracy would go forward again and Erdogan stop jailing his opponents.",
">\n\nIt would be exactly what Türkiye deserves. A slap in the face for selling NATO membership in such a corrupt way. The deal is we defend each other if attacked. Not a corrupt deal of I'll let you in if you help me get revenge on these people that I'm accusing of staging what I'm calling a coup even though accoring to me I did nothing wrong. This kind of corruption will ruin our institutions.",
">\n\n\nThe deal is we defend each other if attacked.\n\nI want you to let me in a military alliance where you are obliged to defend me if it necessary, however I will put arms embargo on you yet you still have to approve my application because as a westerner I am entitled to anything I want.",
">\n\nMost of NATO has arms embargos against Turkey, a situation that Turkey went out of its way to achieve.",
">\n\n\"Most\" is exaggerating. Turkey still gets a lot from other members. With the exception of Erdogan being authoritarian and buying S400, all other decisions that caused sanctions were worth it. \nPlus, bold of you to assume Turkey would let the others in if they were in Finland or Sweden's position.",
">\n\nTurkey will get what it wants. Once it gets what it wants, it will demand more. It will keep making demands because it can and there are no consequences.",
">\n\nNo you explain why arms embargo makes sense in a defensive alliance. Die for me if I am attacked meanwhile I will also embargo you. IMO NATO needs to kick Tukey so they stop dreaming of becoming EU member or whatever, as if the Europeans will ever accept Turkey as one of them. This runaround is going on for a very long time.",
">\n\nThis has never been a problem. Both countries have made it clear that it would not make sense to ban weapons from someone you ask to help defend you.\nThe real problem for Turkey and Erdogan is that they harbor Kurdish activists that Turkey would like to get their hands on.",
">\n\nIf there is still a problem, yes, it will be clear it's the activists. I think this past week or so, Sweden, having already accelerated the extradition process to send a number of Kurds to Türkiye, got a result. But not a result Erdogan sought for his revenge. The process, rightfully independent from political executive, denied the extradition.",
">\n\nIt will never be enough. Erdogan asks for a cookie but wants the factory it was made in.",
">\n\nI really wish we could just kick Turkey out of NATO in exchange for Sweden and Finland, but unfortunately their strategic position makes that seems highly unlikely.",
">\n\nIf turkey was kicked out of NATO, you would most likely not be able to live comfortably in your parents house in your late 20s right now. The airbase they provide allowed the raids on terrorists.",
">\n\nDid you even read my comment, or did you just decide to immediately get defensive and try and insinuate I’m somehow dependent on my parents lmao? “Strategic position” would also include airbases for attacking terrorists. That’s what makes it…you guessed it…strategic. Low effort attempt. Don’t get pissy bc the west is tired of Turkey’s shenanigans and descent into autocracy",
">\n\nBut the \"wish we exchanged them for sweden and finland\" part implies that they would be a better option security wise, kind of contradicting yourself. Funny.",
">\n\nNot even a little, all that sentence means is that they’d be more preferable. The more preferable choice doesn’t have to be the best choice, hell a more preferable choice when viewed from angles A and B can be a less preferable choice when viewed from angles C and D. Which is the exact situation we find ourselves in. Yes, Turkey is the better ally to have in NATO when considering their proximity and geographic location. However they are by far the worse ally to have when it comes to keeping the politics and mechanisms of the alliance actually functioning. \nIt would not surprise me at all to one day see a NATO v2 that removed the unanimous decision requirement and instead made it a super majority.",
">\n\nHonestly, fuck it. Finland and Sweden should just stay out of NATO if this is going to be the price. They're already de facto in NATO as the major NATO powers have already said they would intervene if Russia attacked them. So there's no real need to \"make it official\" if Turkey is going to be such bastards about it.\nFurthermore Russia's laughable performance in Ukraine has shown they're much less dangerous than previously thought. People used to fear Russia could march on to Warsaw or even Berlin any time they wanted, with only the promise of US military intervention preventing this. Now we've seen that's not even remotely the case. They can't even manage to march on to Kiev, and that's without US intervention! Ultimate paper tiger.",
">\n\nWhat price? This is a completely reasonable demand.",
">\n\nNot at all. Turkey is a brutal dictatorship using these weapons to massacre Kurds and invade sovereign Syrian and Iraqi territory.",
">\n\nSo they'll cooperate for a year, join NATO, and resume. If Turkey complains, what can they reasonably do? Individual states cannot throw a member out of NATO.",
">\n\nThe hatred of the Kurds is a puzzle to me. Turkey is a remnant of the great Ottoman empire that was on the losing side of WWI. Before that, the great hero of the Arab world was Saladin, a Kurdish sultan of Egypt and Syria who fought the European Crusaders and won important battles. At the height of his power, Saladin conquered Egypt, Syria, Upper Mesopotamia, the Hejaz, Yemen, the Maghreb, and Nubia. Saladin has been described as the most famous Kurdish figure in human history. \nKurdistan is a region, but not a country. The region includes parts of Turkey, Iran, Iraq, and Syria. Kurdistan in the Middle Ages was a group of states called emirates.\nAfter WWI the victors divided the Ottoman territory into separate nations. The Turkish war of independence created the modern nation of Turkey. \nThere is a Kurdistan region, but not a country. This seems like a historic promise, unfulfilled."
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Stop saying you hate Turkey. You hate the decision makers
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"I dislike Turkey as much as everyone else but to be honest its kinda weird to have a ban on arms sales to a country you are supposed to be in a military alliance with. \nBut i know other NATO countries have a ban on sales of weapons to Turkey and i dont know the backstory, so for all i know it could make sense.",
">\n\nTurkey is the only NATO country with the S-400, which is a Russian anti-aircraft / anti-missile defense system. The response was to not sell Turkey advanced jets like the F-35 because the fear was the S-400 could be used to determine the F-35s' weaknesses and flaws - whether done overtly by Turkey, or covertly by Russia.\nIt should be noted there are a few other NATO countries that have the S-300 system (developed in the mid/late 2000s) which is still dangerous, but no longer cutting edge or as much as a threat to the more advanced fighters.",
">\n\nIIRC it was a networking issue. The US did not want an f35 to be on the same network as a s400 setup.",
">\n\nCBA to change that WiFi password 🤷",
">\n\nDon't be silly. The F35 runs on Bluetooth",
">\n\nThat's why the recent f35 crash happened, lost its connection to remote controller",
">\n\nThe one in Texas?",
">\n\nYeah",
">\n\nThis is the best tl;dr I could make, original reduced by 87%. (I'm a bot)\n\n\nHELSINKI - Finland and Sweden have adopted a common \"Future ally\" approach with Turkey in an attempt to fast-track their NATO membership - something hindered by the Ankara government.\nNeither Finland nor Sweden imposed a formal ban on arms exports to Turkey.\nIn soliciting Turkey's support for NATO membership, Sweden and Finland have also found themselves defending their positions and policies toward the Kurdish PYD Democratic Union Party and its armed militia, the Syrian Kurdish YPG. The PYD has links to the Kurdistan Workers' Party, or PKK, which the U.S. and the European Union, including Finland and Sweden, consider a terrorist organization.\n\n\nExtended Summary | FAQ | Feedback | Top keywords: Turkey^#1 Sweden^#2 Finland^#3 export^#4 NATO^#5",
">\n\nNot that I advocate this, but is there anything to stop them from reversing the policies once they are full members? If the situation changes, Sweden and Finland could change their minds back. Maybe I’d feel differently if Turkish democracy would go forward again and Erdogan stop jailing his opponents.",
">\n\nIt would be exactly what Türkiye deserves. A slap in the face for selling NATO membership in such a corrupt way. The deal is we defend each other if attacked. Not a corrupt deal of I'll let you in if you help me get revenge on these people that I'm accusing of staging what I'm calling a coup even though accoring to me I did nothing wrong. This kind of corruption will ruin our institutions.",
">\n\n\nThe deal is we defend each other if attacked.\n\nI want you to let me in a military alliance where you are obliged to defend me if it necessary, however I will put arms embargo on you yet you still have to approve my application because as a westerner I am entitled to anything I want.",
">\n\nMost of NATO has arms embargos against Turkey, a situation that Turkey went out of its way to achieve.",
">\n\n\"Most\" is exaggerating. Turkey still gets a lot from other members. With the exception of Erdogan being authoritarian and buying S400, all other decisions that caused sanctions were worth it. \nPlus, bold of you to assume Turkey would let the others in if they were in Finland or Sweden's position.",
">\n\nTurkey will get what it wants. Once it gets what it wants, it will demand more. It will keep making demands because it can and there are no consequences.",
">\n\nNo you explain why arms embargo makes sense in a defensive alliance. Die for me if I am attacked meanwhile I will also embargo you. IMO NATO needs to kick Tukey so they stop dreaming of becoming EU member or whatever, as if the Europeans will ever accept Turkey as one of them. This runaround is going on for a very long time.",
">\n\nThis has never been a problem. Both countries have made it clear that it would not make sense to ban weapons from someone you ask to help defend you.\nThe real problem for Turkey and Erdogan is that they harbor Kurdish activists that Turkey would like to get their hands on.",
">\n\nIf there is still a problem, yes, it will be clear it's the activists. I think this past week or so, Sweden, having already accelerated the extradition process to send a number of Kurds to Türkiye, got a result. But not a result Erdogan sought for his revenge. The process, rightfully independent from political executive, denied the extradition.",
">\n\nIt will never be enough. Erdogan asks for a cookie but wants the factory it was made in.",
">\n\nI really wish we could just kick Turkey out of NATO in exchange for Sweden and Finland, but unfortunately their strategic position makes that seems highly unlikely.",
">\n\nIf turkey was kicked out of NATO, you would most likely not be able to live comfortably in your parents house in your late 20s right now. The airbase they provide allowed the raids on terrorists.",
">\n\nDid you even read my comment, or did you just decide to immediately get defensive and try and insinuate I’m somehow dependent on my parents lmao? “Strategic position” would also include airbases for attacking terrorists. That’s what makes it…you guessed it…strategic. Low effort attempt. Don’t get pissy bc the west is tired of Turkey’s shenanigans and descent into autocracy",
">\n\nBut the \"wish we exchanged them for sweden and finland\" part implies that they would be a better option security wise, kind of contradicting yourself. Funny.",
">\n\nNot even a little, all that sentence means is that they’d be more preferable. The more preferable choice doesn’t have to be the best choice, hell a more preferable choice when viewed from angles A and B can be a less preferable choice when viewed from angles C and D. Which is the exact situation we find ourselves in. Yes, Turkey is the better ally to have in NATO when considering their proximity and geographic location. However they are by far the worse ally to have when it comes to keeping the politics and mechanisms of the alliance actually functioning. \nIt would not surprise me at all to one day see a NATO v2 that removed the unanimous decision requirement and instead made it a super majority.",
">\n\nHonestly, fuck it. Finland and Sweden should just stay out of NATO if this is going to be the price. They're already de facto in NATO as the major NATO powers have already said they would intervene if Russia attacked them. So there's no real need to \"make it official\" if Turkey is going to be such bastards about it.\nFurthermore Russia's laughable performance in Ukraine has shown they're much less dangerous than previously thought. People used to fear Russia could march on to Warsaw or even Berlin any time they wanted, with only the promise of US military intervention preventing this. Now we've seen that's not even remotely the case. They can't even manage to march on to Kiev, and that's without US intervention! Ultimate paper tiger.",
">\n\nWhat price? This is a completely reasonable demand.",
">\n\nNot at all. Turkey is a brutal dictatorship using these weapons to massacre Kurds and invade sovereign Syrian and Iraqi territory.",
">\n\nSo they'll cooperate for a year, join NATO, and resume. If Turkey complains, what can they reasonably do? Individual states cannot throw a member out of NATO.",
">\n\nThe hatred of the Kurds is a puzzle to me. Turkey is a remnant of the great Ottoman empire that was on the losing side of WWI. Before that, the great hero of the Arab world was Saladin, a Kurdish sultan of Egypt and Syria who fought the European Crusaders and won important battles. At the height of his power, Saladin conquered Egypt, Syria, Upper Mesopotamia, the Hejaz, Yemen, the Maghreb, and Nubia. Saladin has been described as the most famous Kurdish figure in human history. \nKurdistan is a region, but not a country. The region includes parts of Turkey, Iran, Iraq, and Syria. Kurdistan in the Middle Ages was a group of states called emirates.\nAfter WWI the victors divided the Ottoman territory into separate nations. The Turkish war of independence created the modern nation of Turkey. \nThere is a Kurdistan region, but not a country. This seems like a historic promise, unfulfilled.",
">\n\nIts nice when family members get along."
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Erdogan will give samples to Putin
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"I dislike Turkey as much as everyone else but to be honest its kinda weird to have a ban on arms sales to a country you are supposed to be in a military alliance with. \nBut i know other NATO countries have a ban on sales of weapons to Turkey and i dont know the backstory, so for all i know it could make sense.",
">\n\nTurkey is the only NATO country with the S-400, which is a Russian anti-aircraft / anti-missile defense system. The response was to not sell Turkey advanced jets like the F-35 because the fear was the S-400 could be used to determine the F-35s' weaknesses and flaws - whether done overtly by Turkey, or covertly by Russia.\nIt should be noted there are a few other NATO countries that have the S-300 system (developed in the mid/late 2000s) which is still dangerous, but no longer cutting edge or as much as a threat to the more advanced fighters.",
">\n\nIIRC it was a networking issue. The US did not want an f35 to be on the same network as a s400 setup.",
">\n\nCBA to change that WiFi password 🤷",
">\n\nDon't be silly. The F35 runs on Bluetooth",
">\n\nThat's why the recent f35 crash happened, lost its connection to remote controller",
">\n\nThe one in Texas?",
">\n\nYeah",
">\n\nThis is the best tl;dr I could make, original reduced by 87%. (I'm a bot)\n\n\nHELSINKI - Finland and Sweden have adopted a common \"Future ally\" approach with Turkey in an attempt to fast-track their NATO membership - something hindered by the Ankara government.\nNeither Finland nor Sweden imposed a formal ban on arms exports to Turkey.\nIn soliciting Turkey's support for NATO membership, Sweden and Finland have also found themselves defending their positions and policies toward the Kurdish PYD Democratic Union Party and its armed militia, the Syrian Kurdish YPG. The PYD has links to the Kurdistan Workers' Party, or PKK, which the U.S. and the European Union, including Finland and Sweden, consider a terrorist organization.\n\n\nExtended Summary | FAQ | Feedback | Top keywords: Turkey^#1 Sweden^#2 Finland^#3 export^#4 NATO^#5",
">\n\nNot that I advocate this, but is there anything to stop them from reversing the policies once they are full members? If the situation changes, Sweden and Finland could change their minds back. Maybe I’d feel differently if Turkish democracy would go forward again and Erdogan stop jailing his opponents.",
">\n\nIt would be exactly what Türkiye deserves. A slap in the face for selling NATO membership in such a corrupt way. The deal is we defend each other if attacked. Not a corrupt deal of I'll let you in if you help me get revenge on these people that I'm accusing of staging what I'm calling a coup even though accoring to me I did nothing wrong. This kind of corruption will ruin our institutions.",
">\n\n\nThe deal is we defend each other if attacked.\n\nI want you to let me in a military alliance where you are obliged to defend me if it necessary, however I will put arms embargo on you yet you still have to approve my application because as a westerner I am entitled to anything I want.",
">\n\nMost of NATO has arms embargos against Turkey, a situation that Turkey went out of its way to achieve.",
">\n\n\"Most\" is exaggerating. Turkey still gets a lot from other members. With the exception of Erdogan being authoritarian and buying S400, all other decisions that caused sanctions were worth it. \nPlus, bold of you to assume Turkey would let the others in if they were in Finland or Sweden's position.",
">\n\nTurkey will get what it wants. Once it gets what it wants, it will demand more. It will keep making demands because it can and there are no consequences.",
">\n\nNo you explain why arms embargo makes sense in a defensive alliance. Die for me if I am attacked meanwhile I will also embargo you. IMO NATO needs to kick Tukey so they stop dreaming of becoming EU member or whatever, as if the Europeans will ever accept Turkey as one of them. This runaround is going on for a very long time.",
">\n\nThis has never been a problem. Both countries have made it clear that it would not make sense to ban weapons from someone you ask to help defend you.\nThe real problem for Turkey and Erdogan is that they harbor Kurdish activists that Turkey would like to get their hands on.",
">\n\nIf there is still a problem, yes, it will be clear it's the activists. I think this past week or so, Sweden, having already accelerated the extradition process to send a number of Kurds to Türkiye, got a result. But not a result Erdogan sought for his revenge. The process, rightfully independent from political executive, denied the extradition.",
">\n\nIt will never be enough. Erdogan asks for a cookie but wants the factory it was made in.",
">\n\nI really wish we could just kick Turkey out of NATO in exchange for Sweden and Finland, but unfortunately their strategic position makes that seems highly unlikely.",
">\n\nIf turkey was kicked out of NATO, you would most likely not be able to live comfortably in your parents house in your late 20s right now. The airbase they provide allowed the raids on terrorists.",
">\n\nDid you even read my comment, or did you just decide to immediately get defensive and try and insinuate I’m somehow dependent on my parents lmao? “Strategic position” would also include airbases for attacking terrorists. That’s what makes it…you guessed it…strategic. Low effort attempt. Don’t get pissy bc the west is tired of Turkey’s shenanigans and descent into autocracy",
">\n\nBut the \"wish we exchanged them for sweden and finland\" part implies that they would be a better option security wise, kind of contradicting yourself. Funny.",
">\n\nNot even a little, all that sentence means is that they’d be more preferable. The more preferable choice doesn’t have to be the best choice, hell a more preferable choice when viewed from angles A and B can be a less preferable choice when viewed from angles C and D. Which is the exact situation we find ourselves in. Yes, Turkey is the better ally to have in NATO when considering their proximity and geographic location. However they are by far the worse ally to have when it comes to keeping the politics and mechanisms of the alliance actually functioning. \nIt would not surprise me at all to one day see a NATO v2 that removed the unanimous decision requirement and instead made it a super majority.",
">\n\nHonestly, fuck it. Finland and Sweden should just stay out of NATO if this is going to be the price. They're already de facto in NATO as the major NATO powers have already said they would intervene if Russia attacked them. So there's no real need to \"make it official\" if Turkey is going to be such bastards about it.\nFurthermore Russia's laughable performance in Ukraine has shown they're much less dangerous than previously thought. People used to fear Russia could march on to Warsaw or even Berlin any time they wanted, with only the promise of US military intervention preventing this. Now we've seen that's not even remotely the case. They can't even manage to march on to Kiev, and that's without US intervention! Ultimate paper tiger.",
">\n\nWhat price? This is a completely reasonable demand.",
">\n\nNot at all. Turkey is a brutal dictatorship using these weapons to massacre Kurds and invade sovereign Syrian and Iraqi territory.",
">\n\nSo they'll cooperate for a year, join NATO, and resume. If Turkey complains, what can they reasonably do? Individual states cannot throw a member out of NATO.",
">\n\nThe hatred of the Kurds is a puzzle to me. Turkey is a remnant of the great Ottoman empire that was on the losing side of WWI. Before that, the great hero of the Arab world was Saladin, a Kurdish sultan of Egypt and Syria who fought the European Crusaders and won important battles. At the height of his power, Saladin conquered Egypt, Syria, Upper Mesopotamia, the Hejaz, Yemen, the Maghreb, and Nubia. Saladin has been described as the most famous Kurdish figure in human history. \nKurdistan is a region, but not a country. The region includes parts of Turkey, Iran, Iraq, and Syria. Kurdistan in the Middle Ages was a group of states called emirates.\nAfter WWI the victors divided the Ottoman territory into separate nations. The Turkish war of independence created the modern nation of Turkey. \nThere is a Kurdistan region, but not a country. This seems like a historic promise, unfulfilled.",
">\n\nIts nice when family members get along.",
">\n\nStop saying you hate Turkey. You hate the decision makers"
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Yeah, the NATO country that is fighting the most proxy-conflicts with Russia is going to give their main geopolitical rival a sample of the weapons they plan on using themselves. Truly a genius analysis
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"I dislike Turkey as much as everyone else but to be honest its kinda weird to have a ban on arms sales to a country you are supposed to be in a military alliance with. \nBut i know other NATO countries have a ban on sales of weapons to Turkey and i dont know the backstory, so for all i know it could make sense.",
">\n\nTurkey is the only NATO country with the S-400, which is a Russian anti-aircraft / anti-missile defense system. The response was to not sell Turkey advanced jets like the F-35 because the fear was the S-400 could be used to determine the F-35s' weaknesses and flaws - whether done overtly by Turkey, or covertly by Russia.\nIt should be noted there are a few other NATO countries that have the S-300 system (developed in the mid/late 2000s) which is still dangerous, but no longer cutting edge or as much as a threat to the more advanced fighters.",
">\n\nIIRC it was a networking issue. The US did not want an f35 to be on the same network as a s400 setup.",
">\n\nCBA to change that WiFi password 🤷",
">\n\nDon't be silly. The F35 runs on Bluetooth",
">\n\nThat's why the recent f35 crash happened, lost its connection to remote controller",
">\n\nThe one in Texas?",
">\n\nYeah",
">\n\nThis is the best tl;dr I could make, original reduced by 87%. (I'm a bot)\n\n\nHELSINKI - Finland and Sweden have adopted a common \"Future ally\" approach with Turkey in an attempt to fast-track their NATO membership - something hindered by the Ankara government.\nNeither Finland nor Sweden imposed a formal ban on arms exports to Turkey.\nIn soliciting Turkey's support for NATO membership, Sweden and Finland have also found themselves defending their positions and policies toward the Kurdish PYD Democratic Union Party and its armed militia, the Syrian Kurdish YPG. The PYD has links to the Kurdistan Workers' Party, or PKK, which the U.S. and the European Union, including Finland and Sweden, consider a terrorist organization.\n\n\nExtended Summary | FAQ | Feedback | Top keywords: Turkey^#1 Sweden^#2 Finland^#3 export^#4 NATO^#5",
">\n\nNot that I advocate this, but is there anything to stop them from reversing the policies once they are full members? If the situation changes, Sweden and Finland could change their minds back. Maybe I’d feel differently if Turkish democracy would go forward again and Erdogan stop jailing his opponents.",
">\n\nIt would be exactly what Türkiye deserves. A slap in the face for selling NATO membership in such a corrupt way. The deal is we defend each other if attacked. Not a corrupt deal of I'll let you in if you help me get revenge on these people that I'm accusing of staging what I'm calling a coup even though accoring to me I did nothing wrong. This kind of corruption will ruin our institutions.",
">\n\n\nThe deal is we defend each other if attacked.\n\nI want you to let me in a military alliance where you are obliged to defend me if it necessary, however I will put arms embargo on you yet you still have to approve my application because as a westerner I am entitled to anything I want.",
">\n\nMost of NATO has arms embargos against Turkey, a situation that Turkey went out of its way to achieve.",
">\n\n\"Most\" is exaggerating. Turkey still gets a lot from other members. With the exception of Erdogan being authoritarian and buying S400, all other decisions that caused sanctions were worth it. \nPlus, bold of you to assume Turkey would let the others in if they were in Finland or Sweden's position.",
">\n\nTurkey will get what it wants. Once it gets what it wants, it will demand more. It will keep making demands because it can and there are no consequences.",
">\n\nNo you explain why arms embargo makes sense in a defensive alliance. Die for me if I am attacked meanwhile I will also embargo you. IMO NATO needs to kick Tukey so they stop dreaming of becoming EU member or whatever, as if the Europeans will ever accept Turkey as one of them. This runaround is going on for a very long time.",
">\n\nThis has never been a problem. Both countries have made it clear that it would not make sense to ban weapons from someone you ask to help defend you.\nThe real problem for Turkey and Erdogan is that they harbor Kurdish activists that Turkey would like to get their hands on.",
">\n\nIf there is still a problem, yes, it will be clear it's the activists. I think this past week or so, Sweden, having already accelerated the extradition process to send a number of Kurds to Türkiye, got a result. But not a result Erdogan sought for his revenge. The process, rightfully independent from political executive, denied the extradition.",
">\n\nIt will never be enough. Erdogan asks for a cookie but wants the factory it was made in.",
">\n\nI really wish we could just kick Turkey out of NATO in exchange for Sweden and Finland, but unfortunately their strategic position makes that seems highly unlikely.",
">\n\nIf turkey was kicked out of NATO, you would most likely not be able to live comfortably in your parents house in your late 20s right now. The airbase they provide allowed the raids on terrorists.",
">\n\nDid you even read my comment, or did you just decide to immediately get defensive and try and insinuate I’m somehow dependent on my parents lmao? “Strategic position” would also include airbases for attacking terrorists. That’s what makes it…you guessed it…strategic. Low effort attempt. Don’t get pissy bc the west is tired of Turkey’s shenanigans and descent into autocracy",
">\n\nBut the \"wish we exchanged them for sweden and finland\" part implies that they would be a better option security wise, kind of contradicting yourself. Funny.",
">\n\nNot even a little, all that sentence means is that they’d be more preferable. The more preferable choice doesn’t have to be the best choice, hell a more preferable choice when viewed from angles A and B can be a less preferable choice when viewed from angles C and D. Which is the exact situation we find ourselves in. Yes, Turkey is the better ally to have in NATO when considering their proximity and geographic location. However they are by far the worse ally to have when it comes to keeping the politics and mechanisms of the alliance actually functioning. \nIt would not surprise me at all to one day see a NATO v2 that removed the unanimous decision requirement and instead made it a super majority.",
">\n\nHonestly, fuck it. Finland and Sweden should just stay out of NATO if this is going to be the price. They're already de facto in NATO as the major NATO powers have already said they would intervene if Russia attacked them. So there's no real need to \"make it official\" if Turkey is going to be such bastards about it.\nFurthermore Russia's laughable performance in Ukraine has shown they're much less dangerous than previously thought. People used to fear Russia could march on to Warsaw or even Berlin any time they wanted, with only the promise of US military intervention preventing this. Now we've seen that's not even remotely the case. They can't even manage to march on to Kiev, and that's without US intervention! Ultimate paper tiger.",
">\n\nWhat price? This is a completely reasonable demand.",
">\n\nNot at all. Turkey is a brutal dictatorship using these weapons to massacre Kurds and invade sovereign Syrian and Iraqi territory.",
">\n\nSo they'll cooperate for a year, join NATO, and resume. If Turkey complains, what can they reasonably do? Individual states cannot throw a member out of NATO.",
">\n\nThe hatred of the Kurds is a puzzle to me. Turkey is a remnant of the great Ottoman empire that was on the losing side of WWI. Before that, the great hero of the Arab world was Saladin, a Kurdish sultan of Egypt and Syria who fought the European Crusaders and won important battles. At the height of his power, Saladin conquered Egypt, Syria, Upper Mesopotamia, the Hejaz, Yemen, the Maghreb, and Nubia. Saladin has been described as the most famous Kurdish figure in human history. \nKurdistan is a region, but not a country. The region includes parts of Turkey, Iran, Iraq, and Syria. Kurdistan in the Middle Ages was a group of states called emirates.\nAfter WWI the victors divided the Ottoman territory into separate nations. The Turkish war of independence created the modern nation of Turkey. \nThere is a Kurdistan region, but not a country. This seems like a historic promise, unfulfilled.",
">\n\nIts nice when family members get along.",
">\n\nStop saying you hate Turkey. You hate the decision makers",
">\n\nErdogan will give samples to Putin"
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What proxy-wars Erdogan was fighting against Russia?
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"I dislike Turkey as much as everyone else but to be honest its kinda weird to have a ban on arms sales to a country you are supposed to be in a military alliance with. \nBut i know other NATO countries have a ban on sales of weapons to Turkey and i dont know the backstory, so for all i know it could make sense.",
">\n\nTurkey is the only NATO country with the S-400, which is a Russian anti-aircraft / anti-missile defense system. The response was to not sell Turkey advanced jets like the F-35 because the fear was the S-400 could be used to determine the F-35s' weaknesses and flaws - whether done overtly by Turkey, or covertly by Russia.\nIt should be noted there are a few other NATO countries that have the S-300 system (developed in the mid/late 2000s) which is still dangerous, but no longer cutting edge or as much as a threat to the more advanced fighters.",
">\n\nIIRC it was a networking issue. The US did not want an f35 to be on the same network as a s400 setup.",
">\n\nCBA to change that WiFi password 🤷",
">\n\nDon't be silly. The F35 runs on Bluetooth",
">\n\nThat's why the recent f35 crash happened, lost its connection to remote controller",
">\n\nThe one in Texas?",
">\n\nYeah",
">\n\nThis is the best tl;dr I could make, original reduced by 87%. (I'm a bot)\n\n\nHELSINKI - Finland and Sweden have adopted a common \"Future ally\" approach with Turkey in an attempt to fast-track their NATO membership - something hindered by the Ankara government.\nNeither Finland nor Sweden imposed a formal ban on arms exports to Turkey.\nIn soliciting Turkey's support for NATO membership, Sweden and Finland have also found themselves defending their positions and policies toward the Kurdish PYD Democratic Union Party and its armed militia, the Syrian Kurdish YPG. The PYD has links to the Kurdistan Workers' Party, or PKK, which the U.S. and the European Union, including Finland and Sweden, consider a terrorist organization.\n\n\nExtended Summary | FAQ | Feedback | Top keywords: Turkey^#1 Sweden^#2 Finland^#3 export^#4 NATO^#5",
">\n\nNot that I advocate this, but is there anything to stop them from reversing the policies once they are full members? If the situation changes, Sweden and Finland could change their minds back. Maybe I’d feel differently if Turkish democracy would go forward again and Erdogan stop jailing his opponents.",
">\n\nIt would be exactly what Türkiye deserves. A slap in the face for selling NATO membership in such a corrupt way. The deal is we defend each other if attacked. Not a corrupt deal of I'll let you in if you help me get revenge on these people that I'm accusing of staging what I'm calling a coup even though accoring to me I did nothing wrong. This kind of corruption will ruin our institutions.",
">\n\n\nThe deal is we defend each other if attacked.\n\nI want you to let me in a military alliance where you are obliged to defend me if it necessary, however I will put arms embargo on you yet you still have to approve my application because as a westerner I am entitled to anything I want.",
">\n\nMost of NATO has arms embargos against Turkey, a situation that Turkey went out of its way to achieve.",
">\n\n\"Most\" is exaggerating. Turkey still gets a lot from other members. With the exception of Erdogan being authoritarian and buying S400, all other decisions that caused sanctions were worth it. \nPlus, bold of you to assume Turkey would let the others in if they were in Finland or Sweden's position.",
">\n\nTurkey will get what it wants. Once it gets what it wants, it will demand more. It will keep making demands because it can and there are no consequences.",
">\n\nNo you explain why arms embargo makes sense in a defensive alliance. Die for me if I am attacked meanwhile I will also embargo you. IMO NATO needs to kick Tukey so they stop dreaming of becoming EU member or whatever, as if the Europeans will ever accept Turkey as one of them. This runaround is going on for a very long time.",
">\n\nThis has never been a problem. Both countries have made it clear that it would not make sense to ban weapons from someone you ask to help defend you.\nThe real problem for Turkey and Erdogan is that they harbor Kurdish activists that Turkey would like to get their hands on.",
">\n\nIf there is still a problem, yes, it will be clear it's the activists. I think this past week or so, Sweden, having already accelerated the extradition process to send a number of Kurds to Türkiye, got a result. But not a result Erdogan sought for his revenge. The process, rightfully independent from political executive, denied the extradition.",
">\n\nIt will never be enough. Erdogan asks for a cookie but wants the factory it was made in.",
">\n\nI really wish we could just kick Turkey out of NATO in exchange for Sweden and Finland, but unfortunately their strategic position makes that seems highly unlikely.",
">\n\nIf turkey was kicked out of NATO, you would most likely not be able to live comfortably in your parents house in your late 20s right now. The airbase they provide allowed the raids on terrorists.",
">\n\nDid you even read my comment, or did you just decide to immediately get defensive and try and insinuate I’m somehow dependent on my parents lmao? “Strategic position” would also include airbases for attacking terrorists. That’s what makes it…you guessed it…strategic. Low effort attempt. Don’t get pissy bc the west is tired of Turkey’s shenanigans and descent into autocracy",
">\n\nBut the \"wish we exchanged them for sweden and finland\" part implies that they would be a better option security wise, kind of contradicting yourself. Funny.",
">\n\nNot even a little, all that sentence means is that they’d be more preferable. The more preferable choice doesn’t have to be the best choice, hell a more preferable choice when viewed from angles A and B can be a less preferable choice when viewed from angles C and D. Which is the exact situation we find ourselves in. Yes, Turkey is the better ally to have in NATO when considering their proximity and geographic location. However they are by far the worse ally to have when it comes to keeping the politics and mechanisms of the alliance actually functioning. \nIt would not surprise me at all to one day see a NATO v2 that removed the unanimous decision requirement and instead made it a super majority.",
">\n\nHonestly, fuck it. Finland and Sweden should just stay out of NATO if this is going to be the price. They're already de facto in NATO as the major NATO powers have already said they would intervene if Russia attacked them. So there's no real need to \"make it official\" if Turkey is going to be such bastards about it.\nFurthermore Russia's laughable performance in Ukraine has shown they're much less dangerous than previously thought. People used to fear Russia could march on to Warsaw or even Berlin any time they wanted, with only the promise of US military intervention preventing this. Now we've seen that's not even remotely the case. They can't even manage to march on to Kiev, and that's without US intervention! Ultimate paper tiger.",
">\n\nWhat price? This is a completely reasonable demand.",
">\n\nNot at all. Turkey is a brutal dictatorship using these weapons to massacre Kurds and invade sovereign Syrian and Iraqi territory.",
">\n\nSo they'll cooperate for a year, join NATO, and resume. If Turkey complains, what can they reasonably do? Individual states cannot throw a member out of NATO.",
">\n\nThe hatred of the Kurds is a puzzle to me. Turkey is a remnant of the great Ottoman empire that was on the losing side of WWI. Before that, the great hero of the Arab world was Saladin, a Kurdish sultan of Egypt and Syria who fought the European Crusaders and won important battles. At the height of his power, Saladin conquered Egypt, Syria, Upper Mesopotamia, the Hejaz, Yemen, the Maghreb, and Nubia. Saladin has been described as the most famous Kurdish figure in human history. \nKurdistan is a region, but not a country. The region includes parts of Turkey, Iran, Iraq, and Syria. Kurdistan in the Middle Ages was a group of states called emirates.\nAfter WWI the victors divided the Ottoman territory into separate nations. The Turkish war of independence created the modern nation of Turkey. \nThere is a Kurdistan region, but not a country. This seems like a historic promise, unfulfilled.",
">\n\nIts nice when family members get along.",
">\n\nStop saying you hate Turkey. You hate the decision makers",
">\n\nErdogan will give samples to Putin",
">\n\nYeah, the NATO country that is fighting the most proxy-conflicts with Russia is going to give their main geopolitical rival a sample of the weapons they plan on using themselves. Truly a genius analysis"
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Syria (where it was the only NATO country in history to ever officially shoot down a Russian Jet), The south Caucasus, Libya (where NATO member France is siding with a Russian backed Warlord against the UN backed government of Libya), Ukraine (where it decided to sell Ukraine armed drones, despite heavy criticism from both the European Union and Russia) or regions like the Balkans (Bosnia-Serbia, Kosovo-Serbia tensions) and Central Asia where Turkey undermines/ replaces Russian influence.
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"I dislike Turkey as much as everyone else but to be honest its kinda weird to have a ban on arms sales to a country you are supposed to be in a military alliance with. \nBut i know other NATO countries have a ban on sales of weapons to Turkey and i dont know the backstory, so for all i know it could make sense.",
">\n\nTurkey is the only NATO country with the S-400, which is a Russian anti-aircraft / anti-missile defense system. The response was to not sell Turkey advanced jets like the F-35 because the fear was the S-400 could be used to determine the F-35s' weaknesses and flaws - whether done overtly by Turkey, or covertly by Russia.\nIt should be noted there are a few other NATO countries that have the S-300 system (developed in the mid/late 2000s) which is still dangerous, but no longer cutting edge or as much as a threat to the more advanced fighters.",
">\n\nIIRC it was a networking issue. The US did not want an f35 to be on the same network as a s400 setup.",
">\n\nCBA to change that WiFi password 🤷",
">\n\nDon't be silly. The F35 runs on Bluetooth",
">\n\nThat's why the recent f35 crash happened, lost its connection to remote controller",
">\n\nThe one in Texas?",
">\n\nYeah",
">\n\nThis is the best tl;dr I could make, original reduced by 87%. (I'm a bot)\n\n\nHELSINKI - Finland and Sweden have adopted a common \"Future ally\" approach with Turkey in an attempt to fast-track their NATO membership - something hindered by the Ankara government.\nNeither Finland nor Sweden imposed a formal ban on arms exports to Turkey.\nIn soliciting Turkey's support for NATO membership, Sweden and Finland have also found themselves defending their positions and policies toward the Kurdish PYD Democratic Union Party and its armed militia, the Syrian Kurdish YPG. The PYD has links to the Kurdistan Workers' Party, or PKK, which the U.S. and the European Union, including Finland and Sweden, consider a terrorist organization.\n\n\nExtended Summary | FAQ | Feedback | Top keywords: Turkey^#1 Sweden^#2 Finland^#3 export^#4 NATO^#5",
">\n\nNot that I advocate this, but is there anything to stop them from reversing the policies once they are full members? If the situation changes, Sweden and Finland could change their minds back. Maybe I’d feel differently if Turkish democracy would go forward again and Erdogan stop jailing his opponents.",
">\n\nIt would be exactly what Türkiye deserves. A slap in the face for selling NATO membership in such a corrupt way. The deal is we defend each other if attacked. Not a corrupt deal of I'll let you in if you help me get revenge on these people that I'm accusing of staging what I'm calling a coup even though accoring to me I did nothing wrong. This kind of corruption will ruin our institutions.",
">\n\n\nThe deal is we defend each other if attacked.\n\nI want you to let me in a military alliance where you are obliged to defend me if it necessary, however I will put arms embargo on you yet you still have to approve my application because as a westerner I am entitled to anything I want.",
">\n\nMost of NATO has arms embargos against Turkey, a situation that Turkey went out of its way to achieve.",
">\n\n\"Most\" is exaggerating. Turkey still gets a lot from other members. With the exception of Erdogan being authoritarian and buying S400, all other decisions that caused sanctions were worth it. \nPlus, bold of you to assume Turkey would let the others in if they were in Finland or Sweden's position.",
">\n\nTurkey will get what it wants. Once it gets what it wants, it will demand more. It will keep making demands because it can and there are no consequences.",
">\n\nNo you explain why arms embargo makes sense in a defensive alliance. Die for me if I am attacked meanwhile I will also embargo you. IMO NATO needs to kick Tukey so they stop dreaming of becoming EU member or whatever, as if the Europeans will ever accept Turkey as one of them. This runaround is going on for a very long time.",
">\n\nThis has never been a problem. Both countries have made it clear that it would not make sense to ban weapons from someone you ask to help defend you.\nThe real problem for Turkey and Erdogan is that they harbor Kurdish activists that Turkey would like to get their hands on.",
">\n\nIf there is still a problem, yes, it will be clear it's the activists. I think this past week or so, Sweden, having already accelerated the extradition process to send a number of Kurds to Türkiye, got a result. But not a result Erdogan sought for his revenge. The process, rightfully independent from political executive, denied the extradition.",
">\n\nIt will never be enough. Erdogan asks for a cookie but wants the factory it was made in.",
">\n\nI really wish we could just kick Turkey out of NATO in exchange for Sweden and Finland, but unfortunately their strategic position makes that seems highly unlikely.",
">\n\nIf turkey was kicked out of NATO, you would most likely not be able to live comfortably in your parents house in your late 20s right now. The airbase they provide allowed the raids on terrorists.",
">\n\nDid you even read my comment, or did you just decide to immediately get defensive and try and insinuate I’m somehow dependent on my parents lmao? “Strategic position” would also include airbases for attacking terrorists. That’s what makes it…you guessed it…strategic. Low effort attempt. Don’t get pissy bc the west is tired of Turkey’s shenanigans and descent into autocracy",
">\n\nBut the \"wish we exchanged them for sweden and finland\" part implies that they would be a better option security wise, kind of contradicting yourself. Funny.",
">\n\nNot even a little, all that sentence means is that they’d be more preferable. The more preferable choice doesn’t have to be the best choice, hell a more preferable choice when viewed from angles A and B can be a less preferable choice when viewed from angles C and D. Which is the exact situation we find ourselves in. Yes, Turkey is the better ally to have in NATO when considering their proximity and geographic location. However they are by far the worse ally to have when it comes to keeping the politics and mechanisms of the alliance actually functioning. \nIt would not surprise me at all to one day see a NATO v2 that removed the unanimous decision requirement and instead made it a super majority.",
">\n\nHonestly, fuck it. Finland and Sweden should just stay out of NATO if this is going to be the price. They're already de facto in NATO as the major NATO powers have already said they would intervene if Russia attacked them. So there's no real need to \"make it official\" if Turkey is going to be such bastards about it.\nFurthermore Russia's laughable performance in Ukraine has shown they're much less dangerous than previously thought. People used to fear Russia could march on to Warsaw or even Berlin any time they wanted, with only the promise of US military intervention preventing this. Now we've seen that's not even remotely the case. They can't even manage to march on to Kiev, and that's without US intervention! Ultimate paper tiger.",
">\n\nWhat price? This is a completely reasonable demand.",
">\n\nNot at all. Turkey is a brutal dictatorship using these weapons to massacre Kurds and invade sovereign Syrian and Iraqi territory.",
">\n\nSo they'll cooperate for a year, join NATO, and resume. If Turkey complains, what can they reasonably do? Individual states cannot throw a member out of NATO.",
">\n\nThe hatred of the Kurds is a puzzle to me. Turkey is a remnant of the great Ottoman empire that was on the losing side of WWI. Before that, the great hero of the Arab world was Saladin, a Kurdish sultan of Egypt and Syria who fought the European Crusaders and won important battles. At the height of his power, Saladin conquered Egypt, Syria, Upper Mesopotamia, the Hejaz, Yemen, the Maghreb, and Nubia. Saladin has been described as the most famous Kurdish figure in human history. \nKurdistan is a region, but not a country. The region includes parts of Turkey, Iran, Iraq, and Syria. Kurdistan in the Middle Ages was a group of states called emirates.\nAfter WWI the victors divided the Ottoman territory into separate nations. The Turkish war of independence created the modern nation of Turkey. \nThere is a Kurdistan region, but not a country. This seems like a historic promise, unfulfilled.",
">\n\nIts nice when family members get along.",
">\n\nStop saying you hate Turkey. You hate the decision makers",
">\n\nErdogan will give samples to Putin",
">\n\nYeah, the NATO country that is fighting the most proxy-conflicts with Russia is going to give their main geopolitical rival a sample of the weapons they plan on using themselves. Truly a genius analysis",
">\n\nWhat proxy-wars Erdogan was fighting against Russia?"
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Libya (where NATO member France is siding with a Russian backed Warlord against the UN backed government of Libya)
Stop lying. France supports Sarraj, only regarding the IS Haftar got any support from them. And other nations - eg. UK and US - did the same.
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"I dislike Turkey as much as everyone else but to be honest its kinda weird to have a ban on arms sales to a country you are supposed to be in a military alliance with. \nBut i know other NATO countries have a ban on sales of weapons to Turkey and i dont know the backstory, so for all i know it could make sense.",
">\n\nTurkey is the only NATO country with the S-400, which is a Russian anti-aircraft / anti-missile defense system. The response was to not sell Turkey advanced jets like the F-35 because the fear was the S-400 could be used to determine the F-35s' weaknesses and flaws - whether done overtly by Turkey, or covertly by Russia.\nIt should be noted there are a few other NATO countries that have the S-300 system (developed in the mid/late 2000s) which is still dangerous, but no longer cutting edge or as much as a threat to the more advanced fighters.",
">\n\nIIRC it was a networking issue. The US did not want an f35 to be on the same network as a s400 setup.",
">\n\nCBA to change that WiFi password 🤷",
">\n\nDon't be silly. The F35 runs on Bluetooth",
">\n\nThat's why the recent f35 crash happened, lost its connection to remote controller",
">\n\nThe one in Texas?",
">\n\nYeah",
">\n\nThis is the best tl;dr I could make, original reduced by 87%. (I'm a bot)\n\n\nHELSINKI - Finland and Sweden have adopted a common \"Future ally\" approach with Turkey in an attempt to fast-track their NATO membership - something hindered by the Ankara government.\nNeither Finland nor Sweden imposed a formal ban on arms exports to Turkey.\nIn soliciting Turkey's support for NATO membership, Sweden and Finland have also found themselves defending their positions and policies toward the Kurdish PYD Democratic Union Party and its armed militia, the Syrian Kurdish YPG. The PYD has links to the Kurdistan Workers' Party, or PKK, which the U.S. and the European Union, including Finland and Sweden, consider a terrorist organization.\n\n\nExtended Summary | FAQ | Feedback | Top keywords: Turkey^#1 Sweden^#2 Finland^#3 export^#4 NATO^#5",
">\n\nNot that I advocate this, but is there anything to stop them from reversing the policies once they are full members? If the situation changes, Sweden and Finland could change their minds back. Maybe I’d feel differently if Turkish democracy would go forward again and Erdogan stop jailing his opponents.",
">\n\nIt would be exactly what Türkiye deserves. A slap in the face for selling NATO membership in such a corrupt way. The deal is we defend each other if attacked. Not a corrupt deal of I'll let you in if you help me get revenge on these people that I'm accusing of staging what I'm calling a coup even though accoring to me I did nothing wrong. This kind of corruption will ruin our institutions.",
">\n\n\nThe deal is we defend each other if attacked.\n\nI want you to let me in a military alliance where you are obliged to defend me if it necessary, however I will put arms embargo on you yet you still have to approve my application because as a westerner I am entitled to anything I want.",
">\n\nMost of NATO has arms embargos against Turkey, a situation that Turkey went out of its way to achieve.",
">\n\n\"Most\" is exaggerating. Turkey still gets a lot from other members. With the exception of Erdogan being authoritarian and buying S400, all other decisions that caused sanctions were worth it. \nPlus, bold of you to assume Turkey would let the others in if they were in Finland or Sweden's position.",
">\n\nTurkey will get what it wants. Once it gets what it wants, it will demand more. It will keep making demands because it can and there are no consequences.",
">\n\nNo you explain why arms embargo makes sense in a defensive alliance. Die for me if I am attacked meanwhile I will also embargo you. IMO NATO needs to kick Tukey so they stop dreaming of becoming EU member or whatever, as if the Europeans will ever accept Turkey as one of them. This runaround is going on for a very long time.",
">\n\nThis has never been a problem. Both countries have made it clear that it would not make sense to ban weapons from someone you ask to help defend you.\nThe real problem for Turkey and Erdogan is that they harbor Kurdish activists that Turkey would like to get their hands on.",
">\n\nIf there is still a problem, yes, it will be clear it's the activists. I think this past week or so, Sweden, having already accelerated the extradition process to send a number of Kurds to Türkiye, got a result. But not a result Erdogan sought for his revenge. The process, rightfully independent from political executive, denied the extradition.",
">\n\nIt will never be enough. Erdogan asks for a cookie but wants the factory it was made in.",
">\n\nI really wish we could just kick Turkey out of NATO in exchange for Sweden and Finland, but unfortunately their strategic position makes that seems highly unlikely.",
">\n\nIf turkey was kicked out of NATO, you would most likely not be able to live comfortably in your parents house in your late 20s right now. The airbase they provide allowed the raids on terrorists.",
">\n\nDid you even read my comment, or did you just decide to immediately get defensive and try and insinuate I’m somehow dependent on my parents lmao? “Strategic position” would also include airbases for attacking terrorists. That’s what makes it…you guessed it…strategic. Low effort attempt. Don’t get pissy bc the west is tired of Turkey’s shenanigans and descent into autocracy",
">\n\nBut the \"wish we exchanged them for sweden and finland\" part implies that they would be a better option security wise, kind of contradicting yourself. Funny.",
">\n\nNot even a little, all that sentence means is that they’d be more preferable. The more preferable choice doesn’t have to be the best choice, hell a more preferable choice when viewed from angles A and B can be a less preferable choice when viewed from angles C and D. Which is the exact situation we find ourselves in. Yes, Turkey is the better ally to have in NATO when considering their proximity and geographic location. However they are by far the worse ally to have when it comes to keeping the politics and mechanisms of the alliance actually functioning. \nIt would not surprise me at all to one day see a NATO v2 that removed the unanimous decision requirement and instead made it a super majority.",
">\n\nHonestly, fuck it. Finland and Sweden should just stay out of NATO if this is going to be the price. They're already de facto in NATO as the major NATO powers have already said they would intervene if Russia attacked them. So there's no real need to \"make it official\" if Turkey is going to be such bastards about it.\nFurthermore Russia's laughable performance in Ukraine has shown they're much less dangerous than previously thought. People used to fear Russia could march on to Warsaw or even Berlin any time they wanted, with only the promise of US military intervention preventing this. Now we've seen that's not even remotely the case. They can't even manage to march on to Kiev, and that's without US intervention! Ultimate paper tiger.",
">\n\nWhat price? This is a completely reasonable demand.",
">\n\nNot at all. Turkey is a brutal dictatorship using these weapons to massacre Kurds and invade sovereign Syrian and Iraqi territory.",
">\n\nSo they'll cooperate for a year, join NATO, and resume. If Turkey complains, what can they reasonably do? Individual states cannot throw a member out of NATO.",
">\n\nThe hatred of the Kurds is a puzzle to me. Turkey is a remnant of the great Ottoman empire that was on the losing side of WWI. Before that, the great hero of the Arab world was Saladin, a Kurdish sultan of Egypt and Syria who fought the European Crusaders and won important battles. At the height of his power, Saladin conquered Egypt, Syria, Upper Mesopotamia, the Hejaz, Yemen, the Maghreb, and Nubia. Saladin has been described as the most famous Kurdish figure in human history. \nKurdistan is a region, but not a country. The region includes parts of Turkey, Iran, Iraq, and Syria. Kurdistan in the Middle Ages was a group of states called emirates.\nAfter WWI the victors divided the Ottoman territory into separate nations. The Turkish war of independence created the modern nation of Turkey. \nThere is a Kurdistan region, but not a country. This seems like a historic promise, unfulfilled.",
">\n\nIts nice when family members get along.",
">\n\nStop saying you hate Turkey. You hate the decision makers",
">\n\nErdogan will give samples to Putin",
">\n\nYeah, the NATO country that is fighting the most proxy-conflicts with Russia is going to give their main geopolitical rival a sample of the weapons they plan on using themselves. Truly a genius analysis",
">\n\nWhat proxy-wars Erdogan was fighting against Russia?",
">\n\nSyria (where it was the only NATO country in history to ever officially shoot down a Russian Jet), The south Caucasus, Libya (where NATO member France is siding with a Russian backed Warlord against the UN backed government of Libya), Ukraine (where it decided to sell Ukraine armed drones, despite heavy criticism from both the European Union and Russia) or regions like the Balkans (Bosnia-Serbia, Kosovo-Serbia tensions) and Central Asia where Turkey undermines/ replaces Russian influence."
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No, France is backing whoever is willing to give them cheap oil and good deals. You think they would have a Problem dealing with a war criminal after they literally went and destroyed Libya?
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"I dislike Turkey as much as everyone else but to be honest its kinda weird to have a ban on arms sales to a country you are supposed to be in a military alliance with. \nBut i know other NATO countries have a ban on sales of weapons to Turkey and i dont know the backstory, so for all i know it could make sense.",
">\n\nTurkey is the only NATO country with the S-400, which is a Russian anti-aircraft / anti-missile defense system. The response was to not sell Turkey advanced jets like the F-35 because the fear was the S-400 could be used to determine the F-35s' weaknesses and flaws - whether done overtly by Turkey, or covertly by Russia.\nIt should be noted there are a few other NATO countries that have the S-300 system (developed in the mid/late 2000s) which is still dangerous, but no longer cutting edge or as much as a threat to the more advanced fighters.",
">\n\nIIRC it was a networking issue. The US did not want an f35 to be on the same network as a s400 setup.",
">\n\nCBA to change that WiFi password 🤷",
">\n\nDon't be silly. The F35 runs on Bluetooth",
">\n\nThat's why the recent f35 crash happened, lost its connection to remote controller",
">\n\nThe one in Texas?",
">\n\nYeah",
">\n\nThis is the best tl;dr I could make, original reduced by 87%. (I'm a bot)\n\n\nHELSINKI - Finland and Sweden have adopted a common \"Future ally\" approach with Turkey in an attempt to fast-track their NATO membership - something hindered by the Ankara government.\nNeither Finland nor Sweden imposed a formal ban on arms exports to Turkey.\nIn soliciting Turkey's support for NATO membership, Sweden and Finland have also found themselves defending their positions and policies toward the Kurdish PYD Democratic Union Party and its armed militia, the Syrian Kurdish YPG. The PYD has links to the Kurdistan Workers' Party, or PKK, which the U.S. and the European Union, including Finland and Sweden, consider a terrorist organization.\n\n\nExtended Summary | FAQ | Feedback | Top keywords: Turkey^#1 Sweden^#2 Finland^#3 export^#4 NATO^#5",
">\n\nNot that I advocate this, but is there anything to stop them from reversing the policies once they are full members? If the situation changes, Sweden and Finland could change their minds back. Maybe I’d feel differently if Turkish democracy would go forward again and Erdogan stop jailing his opponents.",
">\n\nIt would be exactly what Türkiye deserves. A slap in the face for selling NATO membership in such a corrupt way. The deal is we defend each other if attacked. Not a corrupt deal of I'll let you in if you help me get revenge on these people that I'm accusing of staging what I'm calling a coup even though accoring to me I did nothing wrong. This kind of corruption will ruin our institutions.",
">\n\n\nThe deal is we defend each other if attacked.\n\nI want you to let me in a military alliance where you are obliged to defend me if it necessary, however I will put arms embargo on you yet you still have to approve my application because as a westerner I am entitled to anything I want.",
">\n\nMost of NATO has arms embargos against Turkey, a situation that Turkey went out of its way to achieve.",
">\n\n\"Most\" is exaggerating. Turkey still gets a lot from other members. With the exception of Erdogan being authoritarian and buying S400, all other decisions that caused sanctions were worth it. \nPlus, bold of you to assume Turkey would let the others in if they were in Finland or Sweden's position.",
">\n\nTurkey will get what it wants. Once it gets what it wants, it will demand more. It will keep making demands because it can and there are no consequences.",
">\n\nNo you explain why arms embargo makes sense in a defensive alliance. Die for me if I am attacked meanwhile I will also embargo you. IMO NATO needs to kick Tukey so they stop dreaming of becoming EU member or whatever, as if the Europeans will ever accept Turkey as one of them. This runaround is going on for a very long time.",
">\n\nThis has never been a problem. Both countries have made it clear that it would not make sense to ban weapons from someone you ask to help defend you.\nThe real problem for Turkey and Erdogan is that they harbor Kurdish activists that Turkey would like to get their hands on.",
">\n\nIf there is still a problem, yes, it will be clear it's the activists. I think this past week or so, Sweden, having already accelerated the extradition process to send a number of Kurds to Türkiye, got a result. But not a result Erdogan sought for his revenge. The process, rightfully independent from political executive, denied the extradition.",
">\n\nIt will never be enough. Erdogan asks for a cookie but wants the factory it was made in.",
">\n\nI really wish we could just kick Turkey out of NATO in exchange for Sweden and Finland, but unfortunately their strategic position makes that seems highly unlikely.",
">\n\nIf turkey was kicked out of NATO, you would most likely not be able to live comfortably in your parents house in your late 20s right now. The airbase they provide allowed the raids on terrorists.",
">\n\nDid you even read my comment, or did you just decide to immediately get defensive and try and insinuate I’m somehow dependent on my parents lmao? “Strategic position” would also include airbases for attacking terrorists. That’s what makes it…you guessed it…strategic. Low effort attempt. Don’t get pissy bc the west is tired of Turkey’s shenanigans and descent into autocracy",
">\n\nBut the \"wish we exchanged them for sweden and finland\" part implies that they would be a better option security wise, kind of contradicting yourself. Funny.",
">\n\nNot even a little, all that sentence means is that they’d be more preferable. The more preferable choice doesn’t have to be the best choice, hell a more preferable choice when viewed from angles A and B can be a less preferable choice when viewed from angles C and D. Which is the exact situation we find ourselves in. Yes, Turkey is the better ally to have in NATO when considering their proximity and geographic location. However they are by far the worse ally to have when it comes to keeping the politics and mechanisms of the alliance actually functioning. \nIt would not surprise me at all to one day see a NATO v2 that removed the unanimous decision requirement and instead made it a super majority.",
">\n\nHonestly, fuck it. Finland and Sweden should just stay out of NATO if this is going to be the price. They're already de facto in NATO as the major NATO powers have already said they would intervene if Russia attacked them. So there's no real need to \"make it official\" if Turkey is going to be such bastards about it.\nFurthermore Russia's laughable performance in Ukraine has shown they're much less dangerous than previously thought. People used to fear Russia could march on to Warsaw or even Berlin any time they wanted, with only the promise of US military intervention preventing this. Now we've seen that's not even remotely the case. They can't even manage to march on to Kiev, and that's without US intervention! Ultimate paper tiger.",
">\n\nWhat price? This is a completely reasonable demand.",
">\n\nNot at all. Turkey is a brutal dictatorship using these weapons to massacre Kurds and invade sovereign Syrian and Iraqi territory.",
">\n\nSo they'll cooperate for a year, join NATO, and resume. If Turkey complains, what can they reasonably do? Individual states cannot throw a member out of NATO.",
">\n\nThe hatred of the Kurds is a puzzle to me. Turkey is a remnant of the great Ottoman empire that was on the losing side of WWI. Before that, the great hero of the Arab world was Saladin, a Kurdish sultan of Egypt and Syria who fought the European Crusaders and won important battles. At the height of his power, Saladin conquered Egypt, Syria, Upper Mesopotamia, the Hejaz, Yemen, the Maghreb, and Nubia. Saladin has been described as the most famous Kurdish figure in human history. \nKurdistan is a region, but not a country. The region includes parts of Turkey, Iran, Iraq, and Syria. Kurdistan in the Middle Ages was a group of states called emirates.\nAfter WWI the victors divided the Ottoman territory into separate nations. The Turkish war of independence created the modern nation of Turkey. \nThere is a Kurdistan region, but not a country. This seems like a historic promise, unfulfilled.",
">\n\nIts nice when family members get along.",
">\n\nStop saying you hate Turkey. You hate the decision makers",
">\n\nErdogan will give samples to Putin",
">\n\nYeah, the NATO country that is fighting the most proxy-conflicts with Russia is going to give their main geopolitical rival a sample of the weapons they plan on using themselves. Truly a genius analysis",
">\n\nWhat proxy-wars Erdogan was fighting against Russia?",
">\n\nSyria (where it was the only NATO country in history to ever officially shoot down a Russian Jet), The south Caucasus, Libya (where NATO member France is siding with a Russian backed Warlord against the UN backed government of Libya), Ukraine (where it decided to sell Ukraine armed drones, despite heavy criticism from both the European Union and Russia) or regions like the Balkans (Bosnia-Serbia, Kosovo-Serbia tensions) and Central Asia where Turkey undermines/ replaces Russian influence.",
">\n\n\nLibya (where NATO member France is siding with a Russian backed Warlord against the UN backed government of Libya)\n\nStop lying. France supports Sarraj, only regarding the IS Haftar got any support from them. And other nations - eg. UK and US - did the same."
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I think Turkey needs a time out from NATO. They are an outlier in the common definition of Democracy. And their treatment of the Kurds is iffy, to say the least. Letting them fall out of NATO's orbit doesn't seem like a bad idea.
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"I dislike Turkey as much as everyone else but to be honest its kinda weird to have a ban on arms sales to a country you are supposed to be in a military alliance with. \nBut i know other NATO countries have a ban on sales of weapons to Turkey and i dont know the backstory, so for all i know it could make sense.",
">\n\nTurkey is the only NATO country with the S-400, which is a Russian anti-aircraft / anti-missile defense system. The response was to not sell Turkey advanced jets like the F-35 because the fear was the S-400 could be used to determine the F-35s' weaknesses and flaws - whether done overtly by Turkey, or covertly by Russia.\nIt should be noted there are a few other NATO countries that have the S-300 system (developed in the mid/late 2000s) which is still dangerous, but no longer cutting edge or as much as a threat to the more advanced fighters.",
">\n\nIIRC it was a networking issue. The US did not want an f35 to be on the same network as a s400 setup.",
">\n\nCBA to change that WiFi password 🤷",
">\n\nDon't be silly. The F35 runs on Bluetooth",
">\n\nThat's why the recent f35 crash happened, lost its connection to remote controller",
">\n\nThe one in Texas?",
">\n\nYeah",
">\n\nThis is the best tl;dr I could make, original reduced by 87%. (I'm a bot)\n\n\nHELSINKI - Finland and Sweden have adopted a common \"Future ally\" approach with Turkey in an attempt to fast-track their NATO membership - something hindered by the Ankara government.\nNeither Finland nor Sweden imposed a formal ban on arms exports to Turkey.\nIn soliciting Turkey's support for NATO membership, Sweden and Finland have also found themselves defending their positions and policies toward the Kurdish PYD Democratic Union Party and its armed militia, the Syrian Kurdish YPG. The PYD has links to the Kurdistan Workers' Party, or PKK, which the U.S. and the European Union, including Finland and Sweden, consider a terrorist organization.\n\n\nExtended Summary | FAQ | Feedback | Top keywords: Turkey^#1 Sweden^#2 Finland^#3 export^#4 NATO^#5",
">\n\nNot that I advocate this, but is there anything to stop them from reversing the policies once they are full members? If the situation changes, Sweden and Finland could change their minds back. Maybe I’d feel differently if Turkish democracy would go forward again and Erdogan stop jailing his opponents.",
">\n\nIt would be exactly what Türkiye deserves. A slap in the face for selling NATO membership in such a corrupt way. The deal is we defend each other if attacked. Not a corrupt deal of I'll let you in if you help me get revenge on these people that I'm accusing of staging what I'm calling a coup even though accoring to me I did nothing wrong. This kind of corruption will ruin our institutions.",
">\n\n\nThe deal is we defend each other if attacked.\n\nI want you to let me in a military alliance where you are obliged to defend me if it necessary, however I will put arms embargo on you yet you still have to approve my application because as a westerner I am entitled to anything I want.",
">\n\nMost of NATO has arms embargos against Turkey, a situation that Turkey went out of its way to achieve.",
">\n\n\"Most\" is exaggerating. Turkey still gets a lot from other members. With the exception of Erdogan being authoritarian and buying S400, all other decisions that caused sanctions were worth it. \nPlus, bold of you to assume Turkey would let the others in if they were in Finland or Sweden's position.",
">\n\nTurkey will get what it wants. Once it gets what it wants, it will demand more. It will keep making demands because it can and there are no consequences.",
">\n\nNo you explain why arms embargo makes sense in a defensive alliance. Die for me if I am attacked meanwhile I will also embargo you. IMO NATO needs to kick Tukey so they stop dreaming of becoming EU member or whatever, as if the Europeans will ever accept Turkey as one of them. This runaround is going on for a very long time.",
">\n\nThis has never been a problem. Both countries have made it clear that it would not make sense to ban weapons from someone you ask to help defend you.\nThe real problem for Turkey and Erdogan is that they harbor Kurdish activists that Turkey would like to get their hands on.",
">\n\nIf there is still a problem, yes, it will be clear it's the activists. I think this past week or so, Sweden, having already accelerated the extradition process to send a number of Kurds to Türkiye, got a result. But not a result Erdogan sought for his revenge. The process, rightfully independent from political executive, denied the extradition.",
">\n\nIt will never be enough. Erdogan asks for a cookie but wants the factory it was made in.",
">\n\nI really wish we could just kick Turkey out of NATO in exchange for Sweden and Finland, but unfortunately their strategic position makes that seems highly unlikely.",
">\n\nIf turkey was kicked out of NATO, you would most likely not be able to live comfortably in your parents house in your late 20s right now. The airbase they provide allowed the raids on terrorists.",
">\n\nDid you even read my comment, or did you just decide to immediately get defensive and try and insinuate I’m somehow dependent on my parents lmao? “Strategic position” would also include airbases for attacking terrorists. That’s what makes it…you guessed it…strategic. Low effort attempt. Don’t get pissy bc the west is tired of Turkey’s shenanigans and descent into autocracy",
">\n\nBut the \"wish we exchanged them for sweden and finland\" part implies that they would be a better option security wise, kind of contradicting yourself. Funny.",
">\n\nNot even a little, all that sentence means is that they’d be more preferable. The more preferable choice doesn’t have to be the best choice, hell a more preferable choice when viewed from angles A and B can be a less preferable choice when viewed from angles C and D. Which is the exact situation we find ourselves in. Yes, Turkey is the better ally to have in NATO when considering their proximity and geographic location. However they are by far the worse ally to have when it comes to keeping the politics and mechanisms of the alliance actually functioning. \nIt would not surprise me at all to one day see a NATO v2 that removed the unanimous decision requirement and instead made it a super majority.",
">\n\nHonestly, fuck it. Finland and Sweden should just stay out of NATO if this is going to be the price. They're already de facto in NATO as the major NATO powers have already said they would intervene if Russia attacked them. So there's no real need to \"make it official\" if Turkey is going to be such bastards about it.\nFurthermore Russia's laughable performance in Ukraine has shown they're much less dangerous than previously thought. People used to fear Russia could march on to Warsaw or even Berlin any time they wanted, with only the promise of US military intervention preventing this. Now we've seen that's not even remotely the case. They can't even manage to march on to Kiev, and that's without US intervention! Ultimate paper tiger.",
">\n\nWhat price? This is a completely reasonable demand.",
">\n\nNot at all. Turkey is a brutal dictatorship using these weapons to massacre Kurds and invade sovereign Syrian and Iraqi territory.",
">\n\nSo they'll cooperate for a year, join NATO, and resume. If Turkey complains, what can they reasonably do? Individual states cannot throw a member out of NATO.",
">\n\nThe hatred of the Kurds is a puzzle to me. Turkey is a remnant of the great Ottoman empire that was on the losing side of WWI. Before that, the great hero of the Arab world was Saladin, a Kurdish sultan of Egypt and Syria who fought the European Crusaders and won important battles. At the height of his power, Saladin conquered Egypt, Syria, Upper Mesopotamia, the Hejaz, Yemen, the Maghreb, and Nubia. Saladin has been described as the most famous Kurdish figure in human history. \nKurdistan is a region, but not a country. The region includes parts of Turkey, Iran, Iraq, and Syria. Kurdistan in the Middle Ages was a group of states called emirates.\nAfter WWI the victors divided the Ottoman territory into separate nations. The Turkish war of independence created the modern nation of Turkey. \nThere is a Kurdistan region, but not a country. This seems like a historic promise, unfulfilled.",
">\n\nIts nice when family members get along.",
">\n\nStop saying you hate Turkey. You hate the decision makers",
">\n\nErdogan will give samples to Putin",
">\n\nYeah, the NATO country that is fighting the most proxy-conflicts with Russia is going to give their main geopolitical rival a sample of the weapons they plan on using themselves. Truly a genius analysis",
">\n\nWhat proxy-wars Erdogan was fighting against Russia?",
">\n\nSyria (where it was the only NATO country in history to ever officially shoot down a Russian Jet), The south Caucasus, Libya (where NATO member France is siding with a Russian backed Warlord against the UN backed government of Libya), Ukraine (where it decided to sell Ukraine armed drones, despite heavy criticism from both the European Union and Russia) or regions like the Balkans (Bosnia-Serbia, Kosovo-Serbia tensions) and Central Asia where Turkey undermines/ replaces Russian influence.",
">\n\n\nLibya (where NATO member France is siding with a Russian backed Warlord against the UN backed government of Libya)\n\nStop lying. France supports Sarraj, only regarding the IS Haftar got any support from them. And other nations - eg. UK and US - did the same.",
">\n\nNo, France is backing whoever is willing to give them cheap oil and good deals. You think they would have a Problem dealing with a war criminal after they literally went and destroyed Libya?"
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I remember reading speculations about whether Turkey might buy Gripens or not, who knows, maybe they will after all. Not sure what they can get from Finland though, maybe those Sisu all-terrain trucks?
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"I dislike Turkey as much as everyone else but to be honest its kinda weird to have a ban on arms sales to a country you are supposed to be in a military alliance with. \nBut i know other NATO countries have a ban on sales of weapons to Turkey and i dont know the backstory, so for all i know it could make sense.",
">\n\nTurkey is the only NATO country with the S-400, which is a Russian anti-aircraft / anti-missile defense system. The response was to not sell Turkey advanced jets like the F-35 because the fear was the S-400 could be used to determine the F-35s' weaknesses and flaws - whether done overtly by Turkey, or covertly by Russia.\nIt should be noted there are a few other NATO countries that have the S-300 system (developed in the mid/late 2000s) which is still dangerous, but no longer cutting edge or as much as a threat to the more advanced fighters.",
">\n\nIIRC it was a networking issue. The US did not want an f35 to be on the same network as a s400 setup.",
">\n\nCBA to change that WiFi password 🤷",
">\n\nDon't be silly. The F35 runs on Bluetooth",
">\n\nThat's why the recent f35 crash happened, lost its connection to remote controller",
">\n\nThe one in Texas?",
">\n\nYeah",
">\n\nThis is the best tl;dr I could make, original reduced by 87%. (I'm a bot)\n\n\nHELSINKI - Finland and Sweden have adopted a common \"Future ally\" approach with Turkey in an attempt to fast-track their NATO membership - something hindered by the Ankara government.\nNeither Finland nor Sweden imposed a formal ban on arms exports to Turkey.\nIn soliciting Turkey's support for NATO membership, Sweden and Finland have also found themselves defending their positions and policies toward the Kurdish PYD Democratic Union Party and its armed militia, the Syrian Kurdish YPG. The PYD has links to the Kurdistan Workers' Party, or PKK, which the U.S. and the European Union, including Finland and Sweden, consider a terrorist organization.\n\n\nExtended Summary | FAQ | Feedback | Top keywords: Turkey^#1 Sweden^#2 Finland^#3 export^#4 NATO^#5",
">\n\nNot that I advocate this, but is there anything to stop them from reversing the policies once they are full members? If the situation changes, Sweden and Finland could change their minds back. Maybe I’d feel differently if Turkish democracy would go forward again and Erdogan stop jailing his opponents.",
">\n\nIt would be exactly what Türkiye deserves. A slap in the face for selling NATO membership in such a corrupt way. The deal is we defend each other if attacked. Not a corrupt deal of I'll let you in if you help me get revenge on these people that I'm accusing of staging what I'm calling a coup even though accoring to me I did nothing wrong. This kind of corruption will ruin our institutions.",
">\n\n\nThe deal is we defend each other if attacked.\n\nI want you to let me in a military alliance where you are obliged to defend me if it necessary, however I will put arms embargo on you yet you still have to approve my application because as a westerner I am entitled to anything I want.",
">\n\nMost of NATO has arms embargos against Turkey, a situation that Turkey went out of its way to achieve.",
">\n\n\"Most\" is exaggerating. Turkey still gets a lot from other members. With the exception of Erdogan being authoritarian and buying S400, all other decisions that caused sanctions were worth it. \nPlus, bold of you to assume Turkey would let the others in if they were in Finland or Sweden's position.",
">\n\nTurkey will get what it wants. Once it gets what it wants, it will demand more. It will keep making demands because it can and there are no consequences.",
">\n\nNo you explain why arms embargo makes sense in a defensive alliance. Die for me if I am attacked meanwhile I will also embargo you. IMO NATO needs to kick Tukey so they stop dreaming of becoming EU member or whatever, as if the Europeans will ever accept Turkey as one of them. This runaround is going on for a very long time.",
">\n\nThis has never been a problem. Both countries have made it clear that it would not make sense to ban weapons from someone you ask to help defend you.\nThe real problem for Turkey and Erdogan is that they harbor Kurdish activists that Turkey would like to get their hands on.",
">\n\nIf there is still a problem, yes, it will be clear it's the activists. I think this past week or so, Sweden, having already accelerated the extradition process to send a number of Kurds to Türkiye, got a result. But not a result Erdogan sought for his revenge. The process, rightfully independent from political executive, denied the extradition.",
">\n\nIt will never be enough. Erdogan asks for a cookie but wants the factory it was made in.",
">\n\nI really wish we could just kick Turkey out of NATO in exchange for Sweden and Finland, but unfortunately their strategic position makes that seems highly unlikely.",
">\n\nIf turkey was kicked out of NATO, you would most likely not be able to live comfortably in your parents house in your late 20s right now. The airbase they provide allowed the raids on terrorists.",
">\n\nDid you even read my comment, or did you just decide to immediately get defensive and try and insinuate I’m somehow dependent on my parents lmao? “Strategic position” would also include airbases for attacking terrorists. That’s what makes it…you guessed it…strategic. Low effort attempt. Don’t get pissy bc the west is tired of Turkey’s shenanigans and descent into autocracy",
">\n\nBut the \"wish we exchanged them for sweden and finland\" part implies that they would be a better option security wise, kind of contradicting yourself. Funny.",
">\n\nNot even a little, all that sentence means is that they’d be more preferable. The more preferable choice doesn’t have to be the best choice, hell a more preferable choice when viewed from angles A and B can be a less preferable choice when viewed from angles C and D. Which is the exact situation we find ourselves in. Yes, Turkey is the better ally to have in NATO when considering their proximity and geographic location. However they are by far the worse ally to have when it comes to keeping the politics and mechanisms of the alliance actually functioning. \nIt would not surprise me at all to one day see a NATO v2 that removed the unanimous decision requirement and instead made it a super majority.",
">\n\nHonestly, fuck it. Finland and Sweden should just stay out of NATO if this is going to be the price. They're already de facto in NATO as the major NATO powers have already said they would intervene if Russia attacked them. So there's no real need to \"make it official\" if Turkey is going to be such bastards about it.\nFurthermore Russia's laughable performance in Ukraine has shown they're much less dangerous than previously thought. People used to fear Russia could march on to Warsaw or even Berlin any time they wanted, with only the promise of US military intervention preventing this. Now we've seen that's not even remotely the case. They can't even manage to march on to Kiev, and that's without US intervention! Ultimate paper tiger.",
">\n\nWhat price? This is a completely reasonable demand.",
">\n\nNot at all. Turkey is a brutal dictatorship using these weapons to massacre Kurds and invade sovereign Syrian and Iraqi territory.",
">\n\nSo they'll cooperate for a year, join NATO, and resume. If Turkey complains, what can they reasonably do? Individual states cannot throw a member out of NATO.",
">\n\nThe hatred of the Kurds is a puzzle to me. Turkey is a remnant of the great Ottoman empire that was on the losing side of WWI. Before that, the great hero of the Arab world was Saladin, a Kurdish sultan of Egypt and Syria who fought the European Crusaders and won important battles. At the height of his power, Saladin conquered Egypt, Syria, Upper Mesopotamia, the Hejaz, Yemen, the Maghreb, and Nubia. Saladin has been described as the most famous Kurdish figure in human history. \nKurdistan is a region, but not a country. The region includes parts of Turkey, Iran, Iraq, and Syria. Kurdistan in the Middle Ages was a group of states called emirates.\nAfter WWI the victors divided the Ottoman territory into separate nations. The Turkish war of independence created the modern nation of Turkey. \nThere is a Kurdistan region, but not a country. This seems like a historic promise, unfulfilled.",
">\n\nIts nice when family members get along.",
">\n\nStop saying you hate Turkey. You hate the decision makers",
">\n\nErdogan will give samples to Putin",
">\n\nYeah, the NATO country that is fighting the most proxy-conflicts with Russia is going to give their main geopolitical rival a sample of the weapons they plan on using themselves. Truly a genius analysis",
">\n\nWhat proxy-wars Erdogan was fighting against Russia?",
">\n\nSyria (where it was the only NATO country in history to ever officially shoot down a Russian Jet), The south Caucasus, Libya (where NATO member France is siding with a Russian backed Warlord against the UN backed government of Libya), Ukraine (where it decided to sell Ukraine armed drones, despite heavy criticism from both the European Union and Russia) or regions like the Balkans (Bosnia-Serbia, Kosovo-Serbia tensions) and Central Asia where Turkey undermines/ replaces Russian influence.",
">\n\n\nLibya (where NATO member France is siding with a Russian backed Warlord against the UN backed government of Libya)\n\nStop lying. France supports Sarraj, only regarding the IS Haftar got any support from them. And other nations - eg. UK and US - did the same.",
">\n\nNo, France is backing whoever is willing to give them cheap oil and good deals. You think they would have a Problem dealing with a war criminal after they literally went and destroyed Libya?",
">\n\nI think Turkey needs a time out from NATO. They are an outlier in the common definition of Democracy. And their treatment of the Kurds is iffy, to say the least. Letting them fall out of NATO's orbit doesn't seem like a bad idea."
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Buying Swedish jets make no sense for Turkey, because they all use US made engines. If the US prohibits arms sales to Turkey, Sweden would not be able to sell fighter jets to Turkey. The key is always to please the Americans...
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"I dislike Turkey as much as everyone else but to be honest its kinda weird to have a ban on arms sales to a country you are supposed to be in a military alliance with. \nBut i know other NATO countries have a ban on sales of weapons to Turkey and i dont know the backstory, so for all i know it could make sense.",
">\n\nTurkey is the only NATO country with the S-400, which is a Russian anti-aircraft / anti-missile defense system. The response was to not sell Turkey advanced jets like the F-35 because the fear was the S-400 could be used to determine the F-35s' weaknesses and flaws - whether done overtly by Turkey, or covertly by Russia.\nIt should be noted there are a few other NATO countries that have the S-300 system (developed in the mid/late 2000s) which is still dangerous, but no longer cutting edge or as much as a threat to the more advanced fighters.",
">\n\nIIRC it was a networking issue. The US did not want an f35 to be on the same network as a s400 setup.",
">\n\nCBA to change that WiFi password 🤷",
">\n\nDon't be silly. The F35 runs on Bluetooth",
">\n\nThat's why the recent f35 crash happened, lost its connection to remote controller",
">\n\nThe one in Texas?",
">\n\nYeah",
">\n\nThis is the best tl;dr I could make, original reduced by 87%. (I'm a bot)\n\n\nHELSINKI - Finland and Sweden have adopted a common \"Future ally\" approach with Turkey in an attempt to fast-track their NATO membership - something hindered by the Ankara government.\nNeither Finland nor Sweden imposed a formal ban on arms exports to Turkey.\nIn soliciting Turkey's support for NATO membership, Sweden and Finland have also found themselves defending their positions and policies toward the Kurdish PYD Democratic Union Party and its armed militia, the Syrian Kurdish YPG. The PYD has links to the Kurdistan Workers' Party, or PKK, which the U.S. and the European Union, including Finland and Sweden, consider a terrorist organization.\n\n\nExtended Summary | FAQ | Feedback | Top keywords: Turkey^#1 Sweden^#2 Finland^#3 export^#4 NATO^#5",
">\n\nNot that I advocate this, but is there anything to stop them from reversing the policies once they are full members? If the situation changes, Sweden and Finland could change their minds back. Maybe I’d feel differently if Turkish democracy would go forward again and Erdogan stop jailing his opponents.",
">\n\nIt would be exactly what Türkiye deserves. A slap in the face for selling NATO membership in such a corrupt way. The deal is we defend each other if attacked. Not a corrupt deal of I'll let you in if you help me get revenge on these people that I'm accusing of staging what I'm calling a coup even though accoring to me I did nothing wrong. This kind of corruption will ruin our institutions.",
">\n\n\nThe deal is we defend each other if attacked.\n\nI want you to let me in a military alliance where you are obliged to defend me if it necessary, however I will put arms embargo on you yet you still have to approve my application because as a westerner I am entitled to anything I want.",
">\n\nMost of NATO has arms embargos against Turkey, a situation that Turkey went out of its way to achieve.",
">\n\n\"Most\" is exaggerating. Turkey still gets a lot from other members. With the exception of Erdogan being authoritarian and buying S400, all other decisions that caused sanctions were worth it. \nPlus, bold of you to assume Turkey would let the others in if they were in Finland or Sweden's position.",
">\n\nTurkey will get what it wants. Once it gets what it wants, it will demand more. It will keep making demands because it can and there are no consequences.",
">\n\nNo you explain why arms embargo makes sense in a defensive alliance. Die for me if I am attacked meanwhile I will also embargo you. IMO NATO needs to kick Tukey so they stop dreaming of becoming EU member or whatever, as if the Europeans will ever accept Turkey as one of them. This runaround is going on for a very long time.",
">\n\nThis has never been a problem. Both countries have made it clear that it would not make sense to ban weapons from someone you ask to help defend you.\nThe real problem for Turkey and Erdogan is that they harbor Kurdish activists that Turkey would like to get their hands on.",
">\n\nIf there is still a problem, yes, it will be clear it's the activists. I think this past week or so, Sweden, having already accelerated the extradition process to send a number of Kurds to Türkiye, got a result. But not a result Erdogan sought for his revenge. The process, rightfully independent from political executive, denied the extradition.",
">\n\nIt will never be enough. Erdogan asks for a cookie but wants the factory it was made in.",
">\n\nI really wish we could just kick Turkey out of NATO in exchange for Sweden and Finland, but unfortunately their strategic position makes that seems highly unlikely.",
">\n\nIf turkey was kicked out of NATO, you would most likely not be able to live comfortably in your parents house in your late 20s right now. The airbase they provide allowed the raids on terrorists.",
">\n\nDid you even read my comment, or did you just decide to immediately get defensive and try and insinuate I’m somehow dependent on my parents lmao? “Strategic position” would also include airbases for attacking terrorists. That’s what makes it…you guessed it…strategic. Low effort attempt. Don’t get pissy bc the west is tired of Turkey’s shenanigans and descent into autocracy",
">\n\nBut the \"wish we exchanged them for sweden and finland\" part implies that they would be a better option security wise, kind of contradicting yourself. Funny.",
">\n\nNot even a little, all that sentence means is that they’d be more preferable. The more preferable choice doesn’t have to be the best choice, hell a more preferable choice when viewed from angles A and B can be a less preferable choice when viewed from angles C and D. Which is the exact situation we find ourselves in. Yes, Turkey is the better ally to have in NATO when considering their proximity and geographic location. However they are by far the worse ally to have when it comes to keeping the politics and mechanisms of the alliance actually functioning. \nIt would not surprise me at all to one day see a NATO v2 that removed the unanimous decision requirement and instead made it a super majority.",
">\n\nHonestly, fuck it. Finland and Sweden should just stay out of NATO if this is going to be the price. They're already de facto in NATO as the major NATO powers have already said they would intervene if Russia attacked them. So there's no real need to \"make it official\" if Turkey is going to be such bastards about it.\nFurthermore Russia's laughable performance in Ukraine has shown they're much less dangerous than previously thought. People used to fear Russia could march on to Warsaw or even Berlin any time they wanted, with only the promise of US military intervention preventing this. Now we've seen that's not even remotely the case. They can't even manage to march on to Kiev, and that's without US intervention! Ultimate paper tiger.",
">\n\nWhat price? This is a completely reasonable demand.",
">\n\nNot at all. Turkey is a brutal dictatorship using these weapons to massacre Kurds and invade sovereign Syrian and Iraqi territory.",
">\n\nSo they'll cooperate for a year, join NATO, and resume. If Turkey complains, what can they reasonably do? Individual states cannot throw a member out of NATO.",
">\n\nThe hatred of the Kurds is a puzzle to me. Turkey is a remnant of the great Ottoman empire that was on the losing side of WWI. Before that, the great hero of the Arab world was Saladin, a Kurdish sultan of Egypt and Syria who fought the European Crusaders and won important battles. At the height of his power, Saladin conquered Egypt, Syria, Upper Mesopotamia, the Hejaz, Yemen, the Maghreb, and Nubia. Saladin has been described as the most famous Kurdish figure in human history. \nKurdistan is a region, but not a country. The region includes parts of Turkey, Iran, Iraq, and Syria. Kurdistan in the Middle Ages was a group of states called emirates.\nAfter WWI the victors divided the Ottoman territory into separate nations. The Turkish war of independence created the modern nation of Turkey. \nThere is a Kurdistan region, but not a country. This seems like a historic promise, unfulfilled.",
">\n\nIts nice when family members get along.",
">\n\nStop saying you hate Turkey. You hate the decision makers",
">\n\nErdogan will give samples to Putin",
">\n\nYeah, the NATO country that is fighting the most proxy-conflicts with Russia is going to give their main geopolitical rival a sample of the weapons they plan on using themselves. Truly a genius analysis",
">\n\nWhat proxy-wars Erdogan was fighting against Russia?",
">\n\nSyria (where it was the only NATO country in history to ever officially shoot down a Russian Jet), The south Caucasus, Libya (where NATO member France is siding with a Russian backed Warlord against the UN backed government of Libya), Ukraine (where it decided to sell Ukraine armed drones, despite heavy criticism from both the European Union and Russia) or regions like the Balkans (Bosnia-Serbia, Kosovo-Serbia tensions) and Central Asia where Turkey undermines/ replaces Russian influence.",
">\n\n\nLibya (where NATO member France is siding with a Russian backed Warlord against the UN backed government of Libya)\n\nStop lying. France supports Sarraj, only regarding the IS Haftar got any support from them. And other nations - eg. UK and US - did the same.",
">\n\nNo, France is backing whoever is willing to give them cheap oil and good deals. You think they would have a Problem dealing with a war criminal after they literally went and destroyed Libya?",
">\n\nI think Turkey needs a time out from NATO. They are an outlier in the common definition of Democracy. And their treatment of the Kurds is iffy, to say the least. Letting them fall out of NATO's orbit doesn't seem like a bad idea.",
">\n\nI remember reading speculations about whether Turkey might buy Gripens or not, who knows, maybe they will after all. Not sure what they can get from Finland though, maybe those Sisu all-terrain trucks?"
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If they were to completely rely on Gripen's I'd agree with you but as a stop gap until their own jet program gets going, I can see it happening. Easier to get them than F-16s they are trying right now and probably quicker, too. And, if they get a technology transfer like Brazil got and maybe even locally build it, it could make a lot of sense in the short term.
The key is always to please the Americans...
But this is always the key in the long term of course, lol
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"I dislike Turkey as much as everyone else but to be honest its kinda weird to have a ban on arms sales to a country you are supposed to be in a military alliance with. \nBut i know other NATO countries have a ban on sales of weapons to Turkey and i dont know the backstory, so for all i know it could make sense.",
">\n\nTurkey is the only NATO country with the S-400, which is a Russian anti-aircraft / anti-missile defense system. The response was to not sell Turkey advanced jets like the F-35 because the fear was the S-400 could be used to determine the F-35s' weaknesses and flaws - whether done overtly by Turkey, or covertly by Russia.\nIt should be noted there are a few other NATO countries that have the S-300 system (developed in the mid/late 2000s) which is still dangerous, but no longer cutting edge or as much as a threat to the more advanced fighters.",
">\n\nIIRC it was a networking issue. The US did not want an f35 to be on the same network as a s400 setup.",
">\n\nCBA to change that WiFi password 🤷",
">\n\nDon't be silly. The F35 runs on Bluetooth",
">\n\nThat's why the recent f35 crash happened, lost its connection to remote controller",
">\n\nThe one in Texas?",
">\n\nYeah",
">\n\nThis is the best tl;dr I could make, original reduced by 87%. (I'm a bot)\n\n\nHELSINKI - Finland and Sweden have adopted a common \"Future ally\" approach with Turkey in an attempt to fast-track their NATO membership - something hindered by the Ankara government.\nNeither Finland nor Sweden imposed a formal ban on arms exports to Turkey.\nIn soliciting Turkey's support for NATO membership, Sweden and Finland have also found themselves defending their positions and policies toward the Kurdish PYD Democratic Union Party and its armed militia, the Syrian Kurdish YPG. The PYD has links to the Kurdistan Workers' Party, or PKK, which the U.S. and the European Union, including Finland and Sweden, consider a terrorist organization.\n\n\nExtended Summary | FAQ | Feedback | Top keywords: Turkey^#1 Sweden^#2 Finland^#3 export^#4 NATO^#5",
">\n\nNot that I advocate this, but is there anything to stop them from reversing the policies once they are full members? If the situation changes, Sweden and Finland could change their minds back. Maybe I’d feel differently if Turkish democracy would go forward again and Erdogan stop jailing his opponents.",
">\n\nIt would be exactly what Türkiye deserves. A slap in the face for selling NATO membership in such a corrupt way. The deal is we defend each other if attacked. Not a corrupt deal of I'll let you in if you help me get revenge on these people that I'm accusing of staging what I'm calling a coup even though accoring to me I did nothing wrong. This kind of corruption will ruin our institutions.",
">\n\n\nThe deal is we defend each other if attacked.\n\nI want you to let me in a military alliance where you are obliged to defend me if it necessary, however I will put arms embargo on you yet you still have to approve my application because as a westerner I am entitled to anything I want.",
">\n\nMost of NATO has arms embargos against Turkey, a situation that Turkey went out of its way to achieve.",
">\n\n\"Most\" is exaggerating. Turkey still gets a lot from other members. With the exception of Erdogan being authoritarian and buying S400, all other decisions that caused sanctions were worth it. \nPlus, bold of you to assume Turkey would let the others in if they were in Finland or Sweden's position.",
">\n\nTurkey will get what it wants. Once it gets what it wants, it will demand more. It will keep making demands because it can and there are no consequences.",
">\n\nNo you explain why arms embargo makes sense in a defensive alliance. Die for me if I am attacked meanwhile I will also embargo you. IMO NATO needs to kick Tukey so they stop dreaming of becoming EU member or whatever, as if the Europeans will ever accept Turkey as one of them. This runaround is going on for a very long time.",
">\n\nThis has never been a problem. Both countries have made it clear that it would not make sense to ban weapons from someone you ask to help defend you.\nThe real problem for Turkey and Erdogan is that they harbor Kurdish activists that Turkey would like to get their hands on.",
">\n\nIf there is still a problem, yes, it will be clear it's the activists. I think this past week or so, Sweden, having already accelerated the extradition process to send a number of Kurds to Türkiye, got a result. But not a result Erdogan sought for his revenge. The process, rightfully independent from political executive, denied the extradition.",
">\n\nIt will never be enough. Erdogan asks for a cookie but wants the factory it was made in.",
">\n\nI really wish we could just kick Turkey out of NATO in exchange for Sweden and Finland, but unfortunately their strategic position makes that seems highly unlikely.",
">\n\nIf turkey was kicked out of NATO, you would most likely not be able to live comfortably in your parents house in your late 20s right now. The airbase they provide allowed the raids on terrorists.",
">\n\nDid you even read my comment, or did you just decide to immediately get defensive and try and insinuate I’m somehow dependent on my parents lmao? “Strategic position” would also include airbases for attacking terrorists. That’s what makes it…you guessed it…strategic. Low effort attempt. Don’t get pissy bc the west is tired of Turkey’s shenanigans and descent into autocracy",
">\n\nBut the \"wish we exchanged them for sweden and finland\" part implies that they would be a better option security wise, kind of contradicting yourself. Funny.",
">\n\nNot even a little, all that sentence means is that they’d be more preferable. The more preferable choice doesn’t have to be the best choice, hell a more preferable choice when viewed from angles A and B can be a less preferable choice when viewed from angles C and D. Which is the exact situation we find ourselves in. Yes, Turkey is the better ally to have in NATO when considering their proximity and geographic location. However they are by far the worse ally to have when it comes to keeping the politics and mechanisms of the alliance actually functioning. \nIt would not surprise me at all to one day see a NATO v2 that removed the unanimous decision requirement and instead made it a super majority.",
">\n\nHonestly, fuck it. Finland and Sweden should just stay out of NATO if this is going to be the price. They're already de facto in NATO as the major NATO powers have already said they would intervene if Russia attacked them. So there's no real need to \"make it official\" if Turkey is going to be such bastards about it.\nFurthermore Russia's laughable performance in Ukraine has shown they're much less dangerous than previously thought. People used to fear Russia could march on to Warsaw or even Berlin any time they wanted, with only the promise of US military intervention preventing this. Now we've seen that's not even remotely the case. They can't even manage to march on to Kiev, and that's without US intervention! Ultimate paper tiger.",
">\n\nWhat price? This is a completely reasonable demand.",
">\n\nNot at all. Turkey is a brutal dictatorship using these weapons to massacre Kurds and invade sovereign Syrian and Iraqi territory.",
">\n\nSo they'll cooperate for a year, join NATO, and resume. If Turkey complains, what can they reasonably do? Individual states cannot throw a member out of NATO.",
">\n\nThe hatred of the Kurds is a puzzle to me. Turkey is a remnant of the great Ottoman empire that was on the losing side of WWI. Before that, the great hero of the Arab world was Saladin, a Kurdish sultan of Egypt and Syria who fought the European Crusaders and won important battles. At the height of his power, Saladin conquered Egypt, Syria, Upper Mesopotamia, the Hejaz, Yemen, the Maghreb, and Nubia. Saladin has been described as the most famous Kurdish figure in human history. \nKurdistan is a region, but not a country. The region includes parts of Turkey, Iran, Iraq, and Syria. Kurdistan in the Middle Ages was a group of states called emirates.\nAfter WWI the victors divided the Ottoman territory into separate nations. The Turkish war of independence created the modern nation of Turkey. \nThere is a Kurdistan region, but not a country. This seems like a historic promise, unfulfilled.",
">\n\nIts nice when family members get along.",
">\n\nStop saying you hate Turkey. You hate the decision makers",
">\n\nErdogan will give samples to Putin",
">\n\nYeah, the NATO country that is fighting the most proxy-conflicts with Russia is going to give their main geopolitical rival a sample of the weapons they plan on using themselves. Truly a genius analysis",
">\n\nWhat proxy-wars Erdogan was fighting against Russia?",
">\n\nSyria (where it was the only NATO country in history to ever officially shoot down a Russian Jet), The south Caucasus, Libya (where NATO member France is siding with a Russian backed Warlord against the UN backed government of Libya), Ukraine (where it decided to sell Ukraine armed drones, despite heavy criticism from both the European Union and Russia) or regions like the Balkans (Bosnia-Serbia, Kosovo-Serbia tensions) and Central Asia where Turkey undermines/ replaces Russian influence.",
">\n\n\nLibya (where NATO member France is siding with a Russian backed Warlord against the UN backed government of Libya)\n\nStop lying. France supports Sarraj, only regarding the IS Haftar got any support from them. And other nations - eg. UK and US - did the same.",
">\n\nNo, France is backing whoever is willing to give them cheap oil and good deals. You think they would have a Problem dealing with a war criminal after they literally went and destroyed Libya?",
">\n\nI think Turkey needs a time out from NATO. They are an outlier in the common definition of Democracy. And their treatment of the Kurds is iffy, to say the least. Letting them fall out of NATO's orbit doesn't seem like a bad idea.",
">\n\nI remember reading speculations about whether Turkey might buy Gripens or not, who knows, maybe they will after all. Not sure what they can get from Finland though, maybe those Sisu all-terrain trucks?",
">\n\nBuying Swedish jets make no sense for Turkey, because they all use US made engines. If the US prohibits arms sales to Turkey, Sweden would not be able to sell fighter jets to Turkey. The key is always to please the Americans..."
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Turkish Air Force still likes to act extremely elitist though (like the government still has a choice) and so far they didn't want anything other than American jets until domestic projects are completed. They always rejected European jets for some reason.
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"I dislike Turkey as much as everyone else but to be honest its kinda weird to have a ban on arms sales to a country you are supposed to be in a military alliance with. \nBut i know other NATO countries have a ban on sales of weapons to Turkey and i dont know the backstory, so for all i know it could make sense.",
">\n\nTurkey is the only NATO country with the S-400, which is a Russian anti-aircraft / anti-missile defense system. The response was to not sell Turkey advanced jets like the F-35 because the fear was the S-400 could be used to determine the F-35s' weaknesses and flaws - whether done overtly by Turkey, or covertly by Russia.\nIt should be noted there are a few other NATO countries that have the S-300 system (developed in the mid/late 2000s) which is still dangerous, but no longer cutting edge or as much as a threat to the more advanced fighters.",
">\n\nIIRC it was a networking issue. The US did not want an f35 to be on the same network as a s400 setup.",
">\n\nCBA to change that WiFi password 🤷",
">\n\nDon't be silly. The F35 runs on Bluetooth",
">\n\nThat's why the recent f35 crash happened, lost its connection to remote controller",
">\n\nThe one in Texas?",
">\n\nYeah",
">\n\nThis is the best tl;dr I could make, original reduced by 87%. (I'm a bot)\n\n\nHELSINKI - Finland and Sweden have adopted a common \"Future ally\" approach with Turkey in an attempt to fast-track their NATO membership - something hindered by the Ankara government.\nNeither Finland nor Sweden imposed a formal ban on arms exports to Turkey.\nIn soliciting Turkey's support for NATO membership, Sweden and Finland have also found themselves defending their positions and policies toward the Kurdish PYD Democratic Union Party and its armed militia, the Syrian Kurdish YPG. The PYD has links to the Kurdistan Workers' Party, or PKK, which the U.S. and the European Union, including Finland and Sweden, consider a terrorist organization.\n\n\nExtended Summary | FAQ | Feedback | Top keywords: Turkey^#1 Sweden^#2 Finland^#3 export^#4 NATO^#5",
">\n\nNot that I advocate this, but is there anything to stop them from reversing the policies once they are full members? If the situation changes, Sweden and Finland could change their minds back. Maybe I’d feel differently if Turkish democracy would go forward again and Erdogan stop jailing his opponents.",
">\n\nIt would be exactly what Türkiye deserves. A slap in the face for selling NATO membership in such a corrupt way. The deal is we defend each other if attacked. Not a corrupt deal of I'll let you in if you help me get revenge on these people that I'm accusing of staging what I'm calling a coup even though accoring to me I did nothing wrong. This kind of corruption will ruin our institutions.",
">\n\n\nThe deal is we defend each other if attacked.\n\nI want you to let me in a military alliance where you are obliged to defend me if it necessary, however I will put arms embargo on you yet you still have to approve my application because as a westerner I am entitled to anything I want.",
">\n\nMost of NATO has arms embargos against Turkey, a situation that Turkey went out of its way to achieve.",
">\n\n\"Most\" is exaggerating. Turkey still gets a lot from other members. With the exception of Erdogan being authoritarian and buying S400, all other decisions that caused sanctions were worth it. \nPlus, bold of you to assume Turkey would let the others in if they were in Finland or Sweden's position.",
">\n\nTurkey will get what it wants. Once it gets what it wants, it will demand more. It will keep making demands because it can and there are no consequences.",
">\n\nNo you explain why arms embargo makes sense in a defensive alliance. Die for me if I am attacked meanwhile I will also embargo you. IMO NATO needs to kick Tukey so they stop dreaming of becoming EU member or whatever, as if the Europeans will ever accept Turkey as one of them. This runaround is going on for a very long time.",
">\n\nThis has never been a problem. Both countries have made it clear that it would not make sense to ban weapons from someone you ask to help defend you.\nThe real problem for Turkey and Erdogan is that they harbor Kurdish activists that Turkey would like to get their hands on.",
">\n\nIf there is still a problem, yes, it will be clear it's the activists. I think this past week or so, Sweden, having already accelerated the extradition process to send a number of Kurds to Türkiye, got a result. But not a result Erdogan sought for his revenge. The process, rightfully independent from political executive, denied the extradition.",
">\n\nIt will never be enough. Erdogan asks for a cookie but wants the factory it was made in.",
">\n\nI really wish we could just kick Turkey out of NATO in exchange for Sweden and Finland, but unfortunately their strategic position makes that seems highly unlikely.",
">\n\nIf turkey was kicked out of NATO, you would most likely not be able to live comfortably in your parents house in your late 20s right now. The airbase they provide allowed the raids on terrorists.",
">\n\nDid you even read my comment, or did you just decide to immediately get defensive and try and insinuate I’m somehow dependent on my parents lmao? “Strategic position” would also include airbases for attacking terrorists. That’s what makes it…you guessed it…strategic. Low effort attempt. Don’t get pissy bc the west is tired of Turkey’s shenanigans and descent into autocracy",
">\n\nBut the \"wish we exchanged them for sweden and finland\" part implies that they would be a better option security wise, kind of contradicting yourself. Funny.",
">\n\nNot even a little, all that sentence means is that they’d be more preferable. The more preferable choice doesn’t have to be the best choice, hell a more preferable choice when viewed from angles A and B can be a less preferable choice when viewed from angles C and D. Which is the exact situation we find ourselves in. Yes, Turkey is the better ally to have in NATO when considering their proximity and geographic location. However they are by far the worse ally to have when it comes to keeping the politics and mechanisms of the alliance actually functioning. \nIt would not surprise me at all to one day see a NATO v2 that removed the unanimous decision requirement and instead made it a super majority.",
">\n\nHonestly, fuck it. Finland and Sweden should just stay out of NATO if this is going to be the price. They're already de facto in NATO as the major NATO powers have already said they would intervene if Russia attacked them. So there's no real need to \"make it official\" if Turkey is going to be such bastards about it.\nFurthermore Russia's laughable performance in Ukraine has shown they're much less dangerous than previously thought. People used to fear Russia could march on to Warsaw or even Berlin any time they wanted, with only the promise of US military intervention preventing this. Now we've seen that's not even remotely the case. They can't even manage to march on to Kiev, and that's without US intervention! Ultimate paper tiger.",
">\n\nWhat price? This is a completely reasonable demand.",
">\n\nNot at all. Turkey is a brutal dictatorship using these weapons to massacre Kurds and invade sovereign Syrian and Iraqi territory.",
">\n\nSo they'll cooperate for a year, join NATO, and resume. If Turkey complains, what can they reasonably do? Individual states cannot throw a member out of NATO.",
">\n\nThe hatred of the Kurds is a puzzle to me. Turkey is a remnant of the great Ottoman empire that was on the losing side of WWI. Before that, the great hero of the Arab world was Saladin, a Kurdish sultan of Egypt and Syria who fought the European Crusaders and won important battles. At the height of his power, Saladin conquered Egypt, Syria, Upper Mesopotamia, the Hejaz, Yemen, the Maghreb, and Nubia. Saladin has been described as the most famous Kurdish figure in human history. \nKurdistan is a region, but not a country. The region includes parts of Turkey, Iran, Iraq, and Syria. Kurdistan in the Middle Ages was a group of states called emirates.\nAfter WWI the victors divided the Ottoman territory into separate nations. The Turkish war of independence created the modern nation of Turkey. \nThere is a Kurdistan region, but not a country. This seems like a historic promise, unfulfilled.",
">\n\nIts nice when family members get along.",
">\n\nStop saying you hate Turkey. You hate the decision makers",
">\n\nErdogan will give samples to Putin",
">\n\nYeah, the NATO country that is fighting the most proxy-conflicts with Russia is going to give their main geopolitical rival a sample of the weapons they plan on using themselves. Truly a genius analysis",
">\n\nWhat proxy-wars Erdogan was fighting against Russia?",
">\n\nSyria (where it was the only NATO country in history to ever officially shoot down a Russian Jet), The south Caucasus, Libya (where NATO member France is siding with a Russian backed Warlord against the UN backed government of Libya), Ukraine (where it decided to sell Ukraine armed drones, despite heavy criticism from both the European Union and Russia) or regions like the Balkans (Bosnia-Serbia, Kosovo-Serbia tensions) and Central Asia where Turkey undermines/ replaces Russian influence.",
">\n\n\nLibya (where NATO member France is siding with a Russian backed Warlord against the UN backed government of Libya)\n\nStop lying. France supports Sarraj, only regarding the IS Haftar got any support from them. And other nations - eg. UK and US - did the same.",
">\n\nNo, France is backing whoever is willing to give them cheap oil and good deals. You think they would have a Problem dealing with a war criminal after they literally went and destroyed Libya?",
">\n\nI think Turkey needs a time out from NATO. They are an outlier in the common definition of Democracy. And their treatment of the Kurds is iffy, to say the least. Letting them fall out of NATO's orbit doesn't seem like a bad idea.",
">\n\nI remember reading speculations about whether Turkey might buy Gripens or not, who knows, maybe they will after all. Not sure what they can get from Finland though, maybe those Sisu all-terrain trucks?",
">\n\nBuying Swedish jets make no sense for Turkey, because they all use US made engines. If the US prohibits arms sales to Turkey, Sweden would not be able to sell fighter jets to Turkey. The key is always to please the Americans...",
">\n\nIf they were to completely rely on Gripen's I'd agree with you but as a stop gap until their own jet program gets going, I can see it happening. Easier to get them than F-16s they are trying right now and probably quicker, too. And, if they get a technology transfer like Brazil got and maybe even locally build it, it could make a lot of sense in the short term.\n\nThe key is always to please the Americans...\n\nBut this is always the key in the long term of course, lol"
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I don't know about Finland, they usually stand by their principles, but from what I've seen of Sweden's right wing government, they've been tripping over themselves to do Turkey's bidding as fast and as hard as possible. They will do whatever they can do look good at any photo opportunity with any questionable world leader. If it wasn't for the invasion of Ukraine, they'd be absolute lapdogs of Putin by now.
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"I dislike Turkey as much as everyone else but to be honest its kinda weird to have a ban on arms sales to a country you are supposed to be in a military alliance with. \nBut i know other NATO countries have a ban on sales of weapons to Turkey and i dont know the backstory, so for all i know it could make sense.",
">\n\nTurkey is the only NATO country with the S-400, which is a Russian anti-aircraft / anti-missile defense system. The response was to not sell Turkey advanced jets like the F-35 because the fear was the S-400 could be used to determine the F-35s' weaknesses and flaws - whether done overtly by Turkey, or covertly by Russia.\nIt should be noted there are a few other NATO countries that have the S-300 system (developed in the mid/late 2000s) which is still dangerous, but no longer cutting edge or as much as a threat to the more advanced fighters.",
">\n\nIIRC it was a networking issue. The US did not want an f35 to be on the same network as a s400 setup.",
">\n\nCBA to change that WiFi password 🤷",
">\n\nDon't be silly. The F35 runs on Bluetooth",
">\n\nThat's why the recent f35 crash happened, lost its connection to remote controller",
">\n\nThe one in Texas?",
">\n\nYeah",
">\n\nThis is the best tl;dr I could make, original reduced by 87%. (I'm a bot)\n\n\nHELSINKI - Finland and Sweden have adopted a common \"Future ally\" approach with Turkey in an attempt to fast-track their NATO membership - something hindered by the Ankara government.\nNeither Finland nor Sweden imposed a formal ban on arms exports to Turkey.\nIn soliciting Turkey's support for NATO membership, Sweden and Finland have also found themselves defending their positions and policies toward the Kurdish PYD Democratic Union Party and its armed militia, the Syrian Kurdish YPG. The PYD has links to the Kurdistan Workers' Party, or PKK, which the U.S. and the European Union, including Finland and Sweden, consider a terrorist organization.\n\n\nExtended Summary | FAQ | Feedback | Top keywords: Turkey^#1 Sweden^#2 Finland^#3 export^#4 NATO^#5",
">\n\nNot that I advocate this, but is there anything to stop them from reversing the policies once they are full members? If the situation changes, Sweden and Finland could change their minds back. Maybe I’d feel differently if Turkish democracy would go forward again and Erdogan stop jailing his opponents.",
">\n\nIt would be exactly what Türkiye deserves. A slap in the face for selling NATO membership in such a corrupt way. The deal is we defend each other if attacked. Not a corrupt deal of I'll let you in if you help me get revenge on these people that I'm accusing of staging what I'm calling a coup even though accoring to me I did nothing wrong. This kind of corruption will ruin our institutions.",
">\n\n\nThe deal is we defend each other if attacked.\n\nI want you to let me in a military alliance where you are obliged to defend me if it necessary, however I will put arms embargo on you yet you still have to approve my application because as a westerner I am entitled to anything I want.",
">\n\nMost of NATO has arms embargos against Turkey, a situation that Turkey went out of its way to achieve.",
">\n\n\"Most\" is exaggerating. Turkey still gets a lot from other members. With the exception of Erdogan being authoritarian and buying S400, all other decisions that caused sanctions were worth it. \nPlus, bold of you to assume Turkey would let the others in if they were in Finland or Sweden's position.",
">\n\nTurkey will get what it wants. Once it gets what it wants, it will demand more. It will keep making demands because it can and there are no consequences.",
">\n\nNo you explain why arms embargo makes sense in a defensive alliance. Die for me if I am attacked meanwhile I will also embargo you. IMO NATO needs to kick Tukey so they stop dreaming of becoming EU member or whatever, as if the Europeans will ever accept Turkey as one of them. This runaround is going on for a very long time.",
">\n\nThis has never been a problem. Both countries have made it clear that it would not make sense to ban weapons from someone you ask to help defend you.\nThe real problem for Turkey and Erdogan is that they harbor Kurdish activists that Turkey would like to get their hands on.",
">\n\nIf there is still a problem, yes, it will be clear it's the activists. I think this past week or so, Sweden, having already accelerated the extradition process to send a number of Kurds to Türkiye, got a result. But not a result Erdogan sought for his revenge. The process, rightfully independent from political executive, denied the extradition.",
">\n\nIt will never be enough. Erdogan asks for a cookie but wants the factory it was made in.",
">\n\nI really wish we could just kick Turkey out of NATO in exchange for Sweden and Finland, but unfortunately their strategic position makes that seems highly unlikely.",
">\n\nIf turkey was kicked out of NATO, you would most likely not be able to live comfortably in your parents house in your late 20s right now. The airbase they provide allowed the raids on terrorists.",
">\n\nDid you even read my comment, or did you just decide to immediately get defensive and try and insinuate I’m somehow dependent on my parents lmao? “Strategic position” would also include airbases for attacking terrorists. That’s what makes it…you guessed it…strategic. Low effort attempt. Don’t get pissy bc the west is tired of Turkey’s shenanigans and descent into autocracy",
">\n\nBut the \"wish we exchanged them for sweden and finland\" part implies that they would be a better option security wise, kind of contradicting yourself. Funny.",
">\n\nNot even a little, all that sentence means is that they’d be more preferable. The more preferable choice doesn’t have to be the best choice, hell a more preferable choice when viewed from angles A and B can be a less preferable choice when viewed from angles C and D. Which is the exact situation we find ourselves in. Yes, Turkey is the better ally to have in NATO when considering their proximity and geographic location. However they are by far the worse ally to have when it comes to keeping the politics and mechanisms of the alliance actually functioning. \nIt would not surprise me at all to one day see a NATO v2 that removed the unanimous decision requirement and instead made it a super majority.",
">\n\nHonestly, fuck it. Finland and Sweden should just stay out of NATO if this is going to be the price. They're already de facto in NATO as the major NATO powers have already said they would intervene if Russia attacked them. So there's no real need to \"make it official\" if Turkey is going to be such bastards about it.\nFurthermore Russia's laughable performance in Ukraine has shown they're much less dangerous than previously thought. People used to fear Russia could march on to Warsaw or even Berlin any time they wanted, with only the promise of US military intervention preventing this. Now we've seen that's not even remotely the case. They can't even manage to march on to Kiev, and that's without US intervention! Ultimate paper tiger.",
">\n\nWhat price? This is a completely reasonable demand.",
">\n\nNot at all. Turkey is a brutal dictatorship using these weapons to massacre Kurds and invade sovereign Syrian and Iraqi territory.",
">\n\nSo they'll cooperate for a year, join NATO, and resume. If Turkey complains, what can they reasonably do? Individual states cannot throw a member out of NATO.",
">\n\nThe hatred of the Kurds is a puzzle to me. Turkey is a remnant of the great Ottoman empire that was on the losing side of WWI. Before that, the great hero of the Arab world was Saladin, a Kurdish sultan of Egypt and Syria who fought the European Crusaders and won important battles. At the height of his power, Saladin conquered Egypt, Syria, Upper Mesopotamia, the Hejaz, Yemen, the Maghreb, and Nubia. Saladin has been described as the most famous Kurdish figure in human history. \nKurdistan is a region, but not a country. The region includes parts of Turkey, Iran, Iraq, and Syria. Kurdistan in the Middle Ages was a group of states called emirates.\nAfter WWI the victors divided the Ottoman territory into separate nations. The Turkish war of independence created the modern nation of Turkey. \nThere is a Kurdistan region, but not a country. This seems like a historic promise, unfulfilled.",
">\n\nIts nice when family members get along.",
">\n\nStop saying you hate Turkey. You hate the decision makers",
">\n\nErdogan will give samples to Putin",
">\n\nYeah, the NATO country that is fighting the most proxy-conflicts with Russia is going to give their main geopolitical rival a sample of the weapons they plan on using themselves. Truly a genius analysis",
">\n\nWhat proxy-wars Erdogan was fighting against Russia?",
">\n\nSyria (where it was the only NATO country in history to ever officially shoot down a Russian Jet), The south Caucasus, Libya (where NATO member France is siding with a Russian backed Warlord against the UN backed government of Libya), Ukraine (where it decided to sell Ukraine armed drones, despite heavy criticism from both the European Union and Russia) or regions like the Balkans (Bosnia-Serbia, Kosovo-Serbia tensions) and Central Asia where Turkey undermines/ replaces Russian influence.",
">\n\n\nLibya (where NATO member France is siding with a Russian backed Warlord against the UN backed government of Libya)\n\nStop lying. France supports Sarraj, only regarding the IS Haftar got any support from them. And other nations - eg. UK and US - did the same.",
">\n\nNo, France is backing whoever is willing to give them cheap oil and good deals. You think they would have a Problem dealing with a war criminal after they literally went and destroyed Libya?",
">\n\nI think Turkey needs a time out from NATO. They are an outlier in the common definition of Democracy. And their treatment of the Kurds is iffy, to say the least. Letting them fall out of NATO's orbit doesn't seem like a bad idea.",
">\n\nI remember reading speculations about whether Turkey might buy Gripens or not, who knows, maybe they will after all. Not sure what they can get from Finland though, maybe those Sisu all-terrain trucks?",
">\n\nBuying Swedish jets make no sense for Turkey, because they all use US made engines. If the US prohibits arms sales to Turkey, Sweden would not be able to sell fighter jets to Turkey. The key is always to please the Americans...",
">\n\nIf they were to completely rely on Gripen's I'd agree with you but as a stop gap until their own jet program gets going, I can see it happening. Easier to get them than F-16s they are trying right now and probably quicker, too. And, if they get a technology transfer like Brazil got and maybe even locally build it, it could make a lot of sense in the short term.\n\nThe key is always to please the Americans...\n\nBut this is always the key in the long term of course, lol",
">\n\nTurkish Air Force still likes to act extremely elitist though (like the government still has a choice) and so far they didn't want anything other than American jets until domestic projects are completed. They always rejected European jets for some reason."
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Lol all the NATO members except for turkey should just create another alliance and include Sweden and finland in it and if turkey wants to join, they're free too. This way there will be two alliances, and Sweden and finland would be part of one of them
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"I dislike Turkey as much as everyone else but to be honest its kinda weird to have a ban on arms sales to a country you are supposed to be in a military alliance with. \nBut i know other NATO countries have a ban on sales of weapons to Turkey and i dont know the backstory, so for all i know it could make sense.",
">\n\nTurkey is the only NATO country with the S-400, which is a Russian anti-aircraft / anti-missile defense system. The response was to not sell Turkey advanced jets like the F-35 because the fear was the S-400 could be used to determine the F-35s' weaknesses and flaws - whether done overtly by Turkey, or covertly by Russia.\nIt should be noted there are a few other NATO countries that have the S-300 system (developed in the mid/late 2000s) which is still dangerous, but no longer cutting edge or as much as a threat to the more advanced fighters.",
">\n\nIIRC it was a networking issue. The US did not want an f35 to be on the same network as a s400 setup.",
">\n\nCBA to change that WiFi password 🤷",
">\n\nDon't be silly. The F35 runs on Bluetooth",
">\n\nThat's why the recent f35 crash happened, lost its connection to remote controller",
">\n\nThe one in Texas?",
">\n\nYeah",
">\n\nThis is the best tl;dr I could make, original reduced by 87%. (I'm a bot)\n\n\nHELSINKI - Finland and Sweden have adopted a common \"Future ally\" approach with Turkey in an attempt to fast-track their NATO membership - something hindered by the Ankara government.\nNeither Finland nor Sweden imposed a formal ban on arms exports to Turkey.\nIn soliciting Turkey's support for NATO membership, Sweden and Finland have also found themselves defending their positions and policies toward the Kurdish PYD Democratic Union Party and its armed militia, the Syrian Kurdish YPG. The PYD has links to the Kurdistan Workers' Party, or PKK, which the U.S. and the European Union, including Finland and Sweden, consider a terrorist organization.\n\n\nExtended Summary | FAQ | Feedback | Top keywords: Turkey^#1 Sweden^#2 Finland^#3 export^#4 NATO^#5",
">\n\nNot that I advocate this, but is there anything to stop them from reversing the policies once they are full members? If the situation changes, Sweden and Finland could change their minds back. Maybe I’d feel differently if Turkish democracy would go forward again and Erdogan stop jailing his opponents.",
">\n\nIt would be exactly what Türkiye deserves. A slap in the face for selling NATO membership in such a corrupt way. The deal is we defend each other if attacked. Not a corrupt deal of I'll let you in if you help me get revenge on these people that I'm accusing of staging what I'm calling a coup even though accoring to me I did nothing wrong. This kind of corruption will ruin our institutions.",
">\n\n\nThe deal is we defend each other if attacked.\n\nI want you to let me in a military alliance where you are obliged to defend me if it necessary, however I will put arms embargo on you yet you still have to approve my application because as a westerner I am entitled to anything I want.",
">\n\nMost of NATO has arms embargos against Turkey, a situation that Turkey went out of its way to achieve.",
">\n\n\"Most\" is exaggerating. Turkey still gets a lot from other members. With the exception of Erdogan being authoritarian and buying S400, all other decisions that caused sanctions were worth it. \nPlus, bold of you to assume Turkey would let the others in if they were in Finland or Sweden's position.",
">\n\nTurkey will get what it wants. Once it gets what it wants, it will demand more. It will keep making demands because it can and there are no consequences.",
">\n\nNo you explain why arms embargo makes sense in a defensive alliance. Die for me if I am attacked meanwhile I will also embargo you. IMO NATO needs to kick Tukey so they stop dreaming of becoming EU member or whatever, as if the Europeans will ever accept Turkey as one of them. This runaround is going on for a very long time.",
">\n\nThis has never been a problem. Both countries have made it clear that it would not make sense to ban weapons from someone you ask to help defend you.\nThe real problem for Turkey and Erdogan is that they harbor Kurdish activists that Turkey would like to get their hands on.",
">\n\nIf there is still a problem, yes, it will be clear it's the activists. I think this past week or so, Sweden, having already accelerated the extradition process to send a number of Kurds to Türkiye, got a result. But not a result Erdogan sought for his revenge. The process, rightfully independent from political executive, denied the extradition.",
">\n\nIt will never be enough. Erdogan asks for a cookie but wants the factory it was made in.",
">\n\nI really wish we could just kick Turkey out of NATO in exchange for Sweden and Finland, but unfortunately their strategic position makes that seems highly unlikely.",
">\n\nIf turkey was kicked out of NATO, you would most likely not be able to live comfortably in your parents house in your late 20s right now. The airbase they provide allowed the raids on terrorists.",
">\n\nDid you even read my comment, or did you just decide to immediately get defensive and try and insinuate I’m somehow dependent on my parents lmao? “Strategic position” would also include airbases for attacking terrorists. That’s what makes it…you guessed it…strategic. Low effort attempt. Don’t get pissy bc the west is tired of Turkey’s shenanigans and descent into autocracy",
">\n\nBut the \"wish we exchanged them for sweden and finland\" part implies that they would be a better option security wise, kind of contradicting yourself. Funny.",
">\n\nNot even a little, all that sentence means is that they’d be more preferable. The more preferable choice doesn’t have to be the best choice, hell a more preferable choice when viewed from angles A and B can be a less preferable choice when viewed from angles C and D. Which is the exact situation we find ourselves in. Yes, Turkey is the better ally to have in NATO when considering their proximity and geographic location. However they are by far the worse ally to have when it comes to keeping the politics and mechanisms of the alliance actually functioning. \nIt would not surprise me at all to one day see a NATO v2 that removed the unanimous decision requirement and instead made it a super majority.",
">\n\nHonestly, fuck it. Finland and Sweden should just stay out of NATO if this is going to be the price. They're already de facto in NATO as the major NATO powers have already said they would intervene if Russia attacked them. So there's no real need to \"make it official\" if Turkey is going to be such bastards about it.\nFurthermore Russia's laughable performance in Ukraine has shown they're much less dangerous than previously thought. People used to fear Russia could march on to Warsaw or even Berlin any time they wanted, with only the promise of US military intervention preventing this. Now we've seen that's not even remotely the case. They can't even manage to march on to Kiev, and that's without US intervention! Ultimate paper tiger.",
">\n\nWhat price? This is a completely reasonable demand.",
">\n\nNot at all. Turkey is a brutal dictatorship using these weapons to massacre Kurds and invade sovereign Syrian and Iraqi territory.",
">\n\nSo they'll cooperate for a year, join NATO, and resume. If Turkey complains, what can they reasonably do? Individual states cannot throw a member out of NATO.",
">\n\nThe hatred of the Kurds is a puzzle to me. Turkey is a remnant of the great Ottoman empire that was on the losing side of WWI. Before that, the great hero of the Arab world was Saladin, a Kurdish sultan of Egypt and Syria who fought the European Crusaders and won important battles. At the height of his power, Saladin conquered Egypt, Syria, Upper Mesopotamia, the Hejaz, Yemen, the Maghreb, and Nubia. Saladin has been described as the most famous Kurdish figure in human history. \nKurdistan is a region, but not a country. The region includes parts of Turkey, Iran, Iraq, and Syria. Kurdistan in the Middle Ages was a group of states called emirates.\nAfter WWI the victors divided the Ottoman territory into separate nations. The Turkish war of independence created the modern nation of Turkey. \nThere is a Kurdistan region, but not a country. This seems like a historic promise, unfulfilled.",
">\n\nIts nice when family members get along.",
">\n\nStop saying you hate Turkey. You hate the decision makers",
">\n\nErdogan will give samples to Putin",
">\n\nYeah, the NATO country that is fighting the most proxy-conflicts with Russia is going to give their main geopolitical rival a sample of the weapons they plan on using themselves. Truly a genius analysis",
">\n\nWhat proxy-wars Erdogan was fighting against Russia?",
">\n\nSyria (where it was the only NATO country in history to ever officially shoot down a Russian Jet), The south Caucasus, Libya (where NATO member France is siding with a Russian backed Warlord against the UN backed government of Libya), Ukraine (where it decided to sell Ukraine armed drones, despite heavy criticism from both the European Union and Russia) or regions like the Balkans (Bosnia-Serbia, Kosovo-Serbia tensions) and Central Asia where Turkey undermines/ replaces Russian influence.",
">\n\n\nLibya (where NATO member France is siding with a Russian backed Warlord against the UN backed government of Libya)\n\nStop lying. France supports Sarraj, only regarding the IS Haftar got any support from them. And other nations - eg. UK and US - did the same.",
">\n\nNo, France is backing whoever is willing to give them cheap oil and good deals. You think they would have a Problem dealing with a war criminal after they literally went and destroyed Libya?",
">\n\nI think Turkey needs a time out from NATO. They are an outlier in the common definition of Democracy. And their treatment of the Kurds is iffy, to say the least. Letting them fall out of NATO's orbit doesn't seem like a bad idea.",
">\n\nI remember reading speculations about whether Turkey might buy Gripens or not, who knows, maybe they will after all. Not sure what they can get from Finland though, maybe those Sisu all-terrain trucks?",
">\n\nBuying Swedish jets make no sense for Turkey, because they all use US made engines. If the US prohibits arms sales to Turkey, Sweden would not be able to sell fighter jets to Turkey. The key is always to please the Americans...",
">\n\nIf they were to completely rely on Gripen's I'd agree with you but as a stop gap until their own jet program gets going, I can see it happening. Easier to get them than F-16s they are trying right now and probably quicker, too. And, if they get a technology transfer like Brazil got and maybe even locally build it, it could make a lot of sense in the short term.\n\nThe key is always to please the Americans...\n\nBut this is always the key in the long term of course, lol",
">\n\nTurkish Air Force still likes to act extremely elitist though (like the government still has a choice) and so far they didn't want anything other than American jets until domestic projects are completed. They always rejected European jets for some reason.",
">\n\nI don't know about Finland, they usually stand by their principles, but from what I've seen of Sweden's right wing government, they've been tripping over themselves to do Turkey's bidding as fast and as hard as possible. They will do whatever they can do look good at any photo opportunity with any questionable world leader. If it wasn't for the invasion of Ukraine, they'd be absolute lapdogs of Putin by now."
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Finally Turkey earns some €€ on NATO.
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"I dislike Turkey as much as everyone else but to be honest its kinda weird to have a ban on arms sales to a country you are supposed to be in a military alliance with. \nBut i know other NATO countries have a ban on sales of weapons to Turkey and i dont know the backstory, so for all i know it could make sense.",
">\n\nTurkey is the only NATO country with the S-400, which is a Russian anti-aircraft / anti-missile defense system. The response was to not sell Turkey advanced jets like the F-35 because the fear was the S-400 could be used to determine the F-35s' weaknesses and flaws - whether done overtly by Turkey, or covertly by Russia.\nIt should be noted there are a few other NATO countries that have the S-300 system (developed in the mid/late 2000s) which is still dangerous, but no longer cutting edge or as much as a threat to the more advanced fighters.",
">\n\nIIRC it was a networking issue. The US did not want an f35 to be on the same network as a s400 setup.",
">\n\nCBA to change that WiFi password 🤷",
">\n\nDon't be silly. The F35 runs on Bluetooth",
">\n\nThat's why the recent f35 crash happened, lost its connection to remote controller",
">\n\nThe one in Texas?",
">\n\nYeah",
">\n\nThis is the best tl;dr I could make, original reduced by 87%. (I'm a bot)\n\n\nHELSINKI - Finland and Sweden have adopted a common \"Future ally\" approach with Turkey in an attempt to fast-track their NATO membership - something hindered by the Ankara government.\nNeither Finland nor Sweden imposed a formal ban on arms exports to Turkey.\nIn soliciting Turkey's support for NATO membership, Sweden and Finland have also found themselves defending their positions and policies toward the Kurdish PYD Democratic Union Party and its armed militia, the Syrian Kurdish YPG. The PYD has links to the Kurdistan Workers' Party, or PKK, which the U.S. and the European Union, including Finland and Sweden, consider a terrorist organization.\n\n\nExtended Summary | FAQ | Feedback | Top keywords: Turkey^#1 Sweden^#2 Finland^#3 export^#4 NATO^#5",
">\n\nNot that I advocate this, but is there anything to stop them from reversing the policies once they are full members? If the situation changes, Sweden and Finland could change their minds back. Maybe I’d feel differently if Turkish democracy would go forward again and Erdogan stop jailing his opponents.",
">\n\nIt would be exactly what Türkiye deserves. A slap in the face for selling NATO membership in such a corrupt way. The deal is we defend each other if attacked. Not a corrupt deal of I'll let you in if you help me get revenge on these people that I'm accusing of staging what I'm calling a coup even though accoring to me I did nothing wrong. This kind of corruption will ruin our institutions.",
">\n\n\nThe deal is we defend each other if attacked.\n\nI want you to let me in a military alliance where you are obliged to defend me if it necessary, however I will put arms embargo on you yet you still have to approve my application because as a westerner I am entitled to anything I want.",
">\n\nMost of NATO has arms embargos against Turkey, a situation that Turkey went out of its way to achieve.",
">\n\n\"Most\" is exaggerating. Turkey still gets a lot from other members. With the exception of Erdogan being authoritarian and buying S400, all other decisions that caused sanctions were worth it. \nPlus, bold of you to assume Turkey would let the others in if they were in Finland or Sweden's position.",
">\n\nTurkey will get what it wants. Once it gets what it wants, it will demand more. It will keep making demands because it can and there are no consequences.",
">\n\nNo you explain why arms embargo makes sense in a defensive alliance. Die for me if I am attacked meanwhile I will also embargo you. IMO NATO needs to kick Tukey so they stop dreaming of becoming EU member or whatever, as if the Europeans will ever accept Turkey as one of them. This runaround is going on for a very long time.",
">\n\nThis has never been a problem. Both countries have made it clear that it would not make sense to ban weapons from someone you ask to help defend you.\nThe real problem for Turkey and Erdogan is that they harbor Kurdish activists that Turkey would like to get their hands on.",
">\n\nIf there is still a problem, yes, it will be clear it's the activists. I think this past week or so, Sweden, having already accelerated the extradition process to send a number of Kurds to Türkiye, got a result. But not a result Erdogan sought for his revenge. The process, rightfully independent from political executive, denied the extradition.",
">\n\nIt will never be enough. Erdogan asks for a cookie but wants the factory it was made in.",
">\n\nI really wish we could just kick Turkey out of NATO in exchange for Sweden and Finland, but unfortunately their strategic position makes that seems highly unlikely.",
">\n\nIf turkey was kicked out of NATO, you would most likely not be able to live comfortably in your parents house in your late 20s right now. The airbase they provide allowed the raids on terrorists.",
">\n\nDid you even read my comment, or did you just decide to immediately get defensive and try and insinuate I’m somehow dependent on my parents lmao? “Strategic position” would also include airbases for attacking terrorists. That’s what makes it…you guessed it…strategic. Low effort attempt. Don’t get pissy bc the west is tired of Turkey’s shenanigans and descent into autocracy",
">\n\nBut the \"wish we exchanged them for sweden and finland\" part implies that they would be a better option security wise, kind of contradicting yourself. Funny.",
">\n\nNot even a little, all that sentence means is that they’d be more preferable. The more preferable choice doesn’t have to be the best choice, hell a more preferable choice when viewed from angles A and B can be a less preferable choice when viewed from angles C and D. Which is the exact situation we find ourselves in. Yes, Turkey is the better ally to have in NATO when considering their proximity and geographic location. However they are by far the worse ally to have when it comes to keeping the politics and mechanisms of the alliance actually functioning. \nIt would not surprise me at all to one day see a NATO v2 that removed the unanimous decision requirement and instead made it a super majority.",
">\n\nHonestly, fuck it. Finland and Sweden should just stay out of NATO if this is going to be the price. They're already de facto in NATO as the major NATO powers have already said they would intervene if Russia attacked them. So there's no real need to \"make it official\" if Turkey is going to be such bastards about it.\nFurthermore Russia's laughable performance in Ukraine has shown they're much less dangerous than previously thought. People used to fear Russia could march on to Warsaw or even Berlin any time they wanted, with only the promise of US military intervention preventing this. Now we've seen that's not even remotely the case. They can't even manage to march on to Kiev, and that's without US intervention! Ultimate paper tiger.",
">\n\nWhat price? This is a completely reasonable demand.",
">\n\nNot at all. Turkey is a brutal dictatorship using these weapons to massacre Kurds and invade sovereign Syrian and Iraqi territory.",
">\n\nSo they'll cooperate for a year, join NATO, and resume. If Turkey complains, what can they reasonably do? Individual states cannot throw a member out of NATO.",
">\n\nThe hatred of the Kurds is a puzzle to me. Turkey is a remnant of the great Ottoman empire that was on the losing side of WWI. Before that, the great hero of the Arab world was Saladin, a Kurdish sultan of Egypt and Syria who fought the European Crusaders and won important battles. At the height of his power, Saladin conquered Egypt, Syria, Upper Mesopotamia, the Hejaz, Yemen, the Maghreb, and Nubia. Saladin has been described as the most famous Kurdish figure in human history. \nKurdistan is a region, but not a country. The region includes parts of Turkey, Iran, Iraq, and Syria. Kurdistan in the Middle Ages was a group of states called emirates.\nAfter WWI the victors divided the Ottoman territory into separate nations. The Turkish war of independence created the modern nation of Turkey. \nThere is a Kurdistan region, but not a country. This seems like a historic promise, unfulfilled.",
">\n\nIts nice when family members get along.",
">\n\nStop saying you hate Turkey. You hate the decision makers",
">\n\nErdogan will give samples to Putin",
">\n\nYeah, the NATO country that is fighting the most proxy-conflicts with Russia is going to give their main geopolitical rival a sample of the weapons they plan on using themselves. Truly a genius analysis",
">\n\nWhat proxy-wars Erdogan was fighting against Russia?",
">\n\nSyria (where it was the only NATO country in history to ever officially shoot down a Russian Jet), The south Caucasus, Libya (where NATO member France is siding with a Russian backed Warlord against the UN backed government of Libya), Ukraine (where it decided to sell Ukraine armed drones, despite heavy criticism from both the European Union and Russia) or regions like the Balkans (Bosnia-Serbia, Kosovo-Serbia tensions) and Central Asia where Turkey undermines/ replaces Russian influence.",
">\n\n\nLibya (where NATO member France is siding with a Russian backed Warlord against the UN backed government of Libya)\n\nStop lying. France supports Sarraj, only regarding the IS Haftar got any support from them. And other nations - eg. UK and US - did the same.",
">\n\nNo, France is backing whoever is willing to give them cheap oil and good deals. You think they would have a Problem dealing with a war criminal after they literally went and destroyed Libya?",
">\n\nI think Turkey needs a time out from NATO. They are an outlier in the common definition of Democracy. And their treatment of the Kurds is iffy, to say the least. Letting them fall out of NATO's orbit doesn't seem like a bad idea.",
">\n\nI remember reading speculations about whether Turkey might buy Gripens or not, who knows, maybe they will after all. Not sure what they can get from Finland though, maybe those Sisu all-terrain trucks?",
">\n\nBuying Swedish jets make no sense for Turkey, because they all use US made engines. If the US prohibits arms sales to Turkey, Sweden would not be able to sell fighter jets to Turkey. The key is always to please the Americans...",
">\n\nIf they were to completely rely on Gripen's I'd agree with you but as a stop gap until their own jet program gets going, I can see it happening. Easier to get them than F-16s they are trying right now and probably quicker, too. And, if they get a technology transfer like Brazil got and maybe even locally build it, it could make a lot of sense in the short term.\n\nThe key is always to please the Americans...\n\nBut this is always the key in the long term of course, lol",
">\n\nTurkish Air Force still likes to act extremely elitist though (like the government still has a choice) and so far they didn't want anything other than American jets until domestic projects are completed. They always rejected European jets for some reason.",
">\n\nI don't know about Finland, they usually stand by their principles, but from what I've seen of Sweden's right wing government, they've been tripping over themselves to do Turkey's bidding as fast and as hard as possible. They will do whatever they can do look good at any photo opportunity with any questionable world leader. If it wasn't for the invasion of Ukraine, they'd be absolute lapdogs of Putin by now.",
">\n\nLol all the NATO members except for turkey should just create another alliance and include Sweden and finland in it and if turkey wants to join, they're free too. This way there will be two alliances, and Sweden and finland would be part of one of them"
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"I dislike Turkey as much as everyone else but to be honest its kinda weird to have a ban on arms sales to a country you are supposed to be in a military alliance with. \nBut i know other NATO countries have a ban on sales of weapons to Turkey and i dont know the backstory, so for all i know it could make sense.",
">\n\nTurkey is the only NATO country with the S-400, which is a Russian anti-aircraft / anti-missile defense system. The response was to not sell Turkey advanced jets like the F-35 because the fear was the S-400 could be used to determine the F-35s' weaknesses and flaws - whether done overtly by Turkey, or covertly by Russia.\nIt should be noted there are a few other NATO countries that have the S-300 system (developed in the mid/late 2000s) which is still dangerous, but no longer cutting edge or as much as a threat to the more advanced fighters.",
">\n\nIIRC it was a networking issue. The US did not want an f35 to be on the same network as a s400 setup.",
">\n\nCBA to change that WiFi password 🤷",
">\n\nDon't be silly. The F35 runs on Bluetooth",
">\n\nThat's why the recent f35 crash happened, lost its connection to remote controller",
">\n\nThe one in Texas?",
">\n\nYeah",
">\n\nThis is the best tl;dr I could make, original reduced by 87%. (I'm a bot)\n\n\nHELSINKI - Finland and Sweden have adopted a common \"Future ally\" approach with Turkey in an attempt to fast-track their NATO membership - something hindered by the Ankara government.\nNeither Finland nor Sweden imposed a formal ban on arms exports to Turkey.\nIn soliciting Turkey's support for NATO membership, Sweden and Finland have also found themselves defending their positions and policies toward the Kurdish PYD Democratic Union Party and its armed militia, the Syrian Kurdish YPG. The PYD has links to the Kurdistan Workers' Party, or PKK, which the U.S. and the European Union, including Finland and Sweden, consider a terrorist organization.\n\n\nExtended Summary | FAQ | Feedback | Top keywords: Turkey^#1 Sweden^#2 Finland^#3 export^#4 NATO^#5",
">\n\nNot that I advocate this, but is there anything to stop them from reversing the policies once they are full members? If the situation changes, Sweden and Finland could change their minds back. Maybe I’d feel differently if Turkish democracy would go forward again and Erdogan stop jailing his opponents.",
">\n\nIt would be exactly what Türkiye deserves. A slap in the face for selling NATO membership in such a corrupt way. The deal is we defend each other if attacked. Not a corrupt deal of I'll let you in if you help me get revenge on these people that I'm accusing of staging what I'm calling a coup even though accoring to me I did nothing wrong. This kind of corruption will ruin our institutions.",
">\n\n\nThe deal is we defend each other if attacked.\n\nI want you to let me in a military alliance where you are obliged to defend me if it necessary, however I will put arms embargo on you yet you still have to approve my application because as a westerner I am entitled to anything I want.",
">\n\nMost of NATO has arms embargos against Turkey, a situation that Turkey went out of its way to achieve.",
">\n\n\"Most\" is exaggerating. Turkey still gets a lot from other members. With the exception of Erdogan being authoritarian and buying S400, all other decisions that caused sanctions were worth it. \nPlus, bold of you to assume Turkey would let the others in if they were in Finland or Sweden's position.",
">\n\nTurkey will get what it wants. Once it gets what it wants, it will demand more. It will keep making demands because it can and there are no consequences.",
">\n\nNo you explain why arms embargo makes sense in a defensive alliance. Die for me if I am attacked meanwhile I will also embargo you. IMO NATO needs to kick Tukey so they stop dreaming of becoming EU member or whatever, as if the Europeans will ever accept Turkey as one of them. This runaround is going on for a very long time.",
">\n\nThis has never been a problem. Both countries have made it clear that it would not make sense to ban weapons from someone you ask to help defend you.\nThe real problem for Turkey and Erdogan is that they harbor Kurdish activists that Turkey would like to get their hands on.",
">\n\nIf there is still a problem, yes, it will be clear it's the activists. I think this past week or so, Sweden, having already accelerated the extradition process to send a number of Kurds to Türkiye, got a result. But not a result Erdogan sought for his revenge. The process, rightfully independent from political executive, denied the extradition.",
">\n\nIt will never be enough. Erdogan asks for a cookie but wants the factory it was made in.",
">\n\nI really wish we could just kick Turkey out of NATO in exchange for Sweden and Finland, but unfortunately their strategic position makes that seems highly unlikely.",
">\n\nIf turkey was kicked out of NATO, you would most likely not be able to live comfortably in your parents house in your late 20s right now. The airbase they provide allowed the raids on terrorists.",
">\n\nDid you even read my comment, or did you just decide to immediately get defensive and try and insinuate I’m somehow dependent on my parents lmao? “Strategic position” would also include airbases for attacking terrorists. That’s what makes it…you guessed it…strategic. Low effort attempt. Don’t get pissy bc the west is tired of Turkey’s shenanigans and descent into autocracy",
">\n\nBut the \"wish we exchanged them for sweden and finland\" part implies that they would be a better option security wise, kind of contradicting yourself. Funny.",
">\n\nNot even a little, all that sentence means is that they’d be more preferable. The more preferable choice doesn’t have to be the best choice, hell a more preferable choice when viewed from angles A and B can be a less preferable choice when viewed from angles C and D. Which is the exact situation we find ourselves in. Yes, Turkey is the better ally to have in NATO when considering their proximity and geographic location. However they are by far the worse ally to have when it comes to keeping the politics and mechanisms of the alliance actually functioning. \nIt would not surprise me at all to one day see a NATO v2 that removed the unanimous decision requirement and instead made it a super majority.",
">\n\nHonestly, fuck it. Finland and Sweden should just stay out of NATO if this is going to be the price. They're already de facto in NATO as the major NATO powers have already said they would intervene if Russia attacked them. So there's no real need to \"make it official\" if Turkey is going to be such bastards about it.\nFurthermore Russia's laughable performance in Ukraine has shown they're much less dangerous than previously thought. People used to fear Russia could march on to Warsaw or even Berlin any time they wanted, with only the promise of US military intervention preventing this. Now we've seen that's not even remotely the case. They can't even manage to march on to Kiev, and that's without US intervention! Ultimate paper tiger.",
">\n\nWhat price? This is a completely reasonable demand.",
">\n\nNot at all. Turkey is a brutal dictatorship using these weapons to massacre Kurds and invade sovereign Syrian and Iraqi territory.",
">\n\nSo they'll cooperate for a year, join NATO, and resume. If Turkey complains, what can they reasonably do? Individual states cannot throw a member out of NATO.",
">\n\nThe hatred of the Kurds is a puzzle to me. Turkey is a remnant of the great Ottoman empire that was on the losing side of WWI. Before that, the great hero of the Arab world was Saladin, a Kurdish sultan of Egypt and Syria who fought the European Crusaders and won important battles. At the height of his power, Saladin conquered Egypt, Syria, Upper Mesopotamia, the Hejaz, Yemen, the Maghreb, and Nubia. Saladin has been described as the most famous Kurdish figure in human history. \nKurdistan is a region, but not a country. The region includes parts of Turkey, Iran, Iraq, and Syria. Kurdistan in the Middle Ages was a group of states called emirates.\nAfter WWI the victors divided the Ottoman territory into separate nations. The Turkish war of independence created the modern nation of Turkey. \nThere is a Kurdistan region, but not a country. This seems like a historic promise, unfulfilled.",
">\n\nIts nice when family members get along.",
">\n\nStop saying you hate Turkey. You hate the decision makers",
">\n\nErdogan will give samples to Putin",
">\n\nYeah, the NATO country that is fighting the most proxy-conflicts with Russia is going to give their main geopolitical rival a sample of the weapons they plan on using themselves. Truly a genius analysis",
">\n\nWhat proxy-wars Erdogan was fighting against Russia?",
">\n\nSyria (where it was the only NATO country in history to ever officially shoot down a Russian Jet), The south Caucasus, Libya (where NATO member France is siding with a Russian backed Warlord against the UN backed government of Libya), Ukraine (where it decided to sell Ukraine armed drones, despite heavy criticism from both the European Union and Russia) or regions like the Balkans (Bosnia-Serbia, Kosovo-Serbia tensions) and Central Asia where Turkey undermines/ replaces Russian influence.",
">\n\n\nLibya (where NATO member France is siding with a Russian backed Warlord against the UN backed government of Libya)\n\nStop lying. France supports Sarraj, only regarding the IS Haftar got any support from them. And other nations - eg. UK and US - did the same.",
">\n\nNo, France is backing whoever is willing to give them cheap oil and good deals. You think they would have a Problem dealing with a war criminal after they literally went and destroyed Libya?",
">\n\nI think Turkey needs a time out from NATO. They are an outlier in the common definition of Democracy. And their treatment of the Kurds is iffy, to say the least. Letting them fall out of NATO's orbit doesn't seem like a bad idea.",
">\n\nI remember reading speculations about whether Turkey might buy Gripens or not, who knows, maybe they will after all. Not sure what they can get from Finland though, maybe those Sisu all-terrain trucks?",
">\n\nBuying Swedish jets make no sense for Turkey, because they all use US made engines. If the US prohibits arms sales to Turkey, Sweden would not be able to sell fighter jets to Turkey. The key is always to please the Americans...",
">\n\nIf they were to completely rely on Gripen's I'd agree with you but as a stop gap until their own jet program gets going, I can see it happening. Easier to get them than F-16s they are trying right now and probably quicker, too. And, if they get a technology transfer like Brazil got and maybe even locally build it, it could make a lot of sense in the short term.\n\nThe key is always to please the Americans...\n\nBut this is always the key in the long term of course, lol",
">\n\nTurkish Air Force still likes to act extremely elitist though (like the government still has a choice) and so far they didn't want anything other than American jets until domestic projects are completed. They always rejected European jets for some reason.",
">\n\nI don't know about Finland, they usually stand by their principles, but from what I've seen of Sweden's right wing government, they've been tripping over themselves to do Turkey's bidding as fast and as hard as possible. They will do whatever they can do look good at any photo opportunity with any questionable world leader. If it wasn't for the invasion of Ukraine, they'd be absolute lapdogs of Putin by now.",
">\n\nLol all the NATO members except for turkey should just create another alliance and include Sweden and finland in it and if turkey wants to join, they're free too. This way there will be two alliances, and Sweden and finland would be part of one of them",
">\n\nFinally Turkey earns some €€ on NATO."
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Well, we're talking wages, so not everyday is a work day. Therefore if you figure most work 250 days a year that is about 400.00 a day.
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I added that in the extra bit. Not the actual shower thought but wanted to account for the way we work.
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">\n\nWell, we're talking wages, so not everyday is a work day. Therefore if you figure most work 250 days a year that is about 400.00 a day."
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Yeah , oops , just noticed that.
It feels far far away
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">\n\nWell, we're talking wages, so not everyday is a work day. Therefore if you figure most work 250 days a year that is about 400.00 a day.",
">\n\nI added that in the extra bit. Not the actual shower thought but wanted to account for the way we work."
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Even $400 Isn’t that much an the big picture… that being said, through labor I’ve only done that a day, dozen or so times in my life.
It’s super wild that there are people that charge far more then that an hour.
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">\n\nWell, we're talking wages, so not everyday is a work day. Therefore if you figure most work 250 days a year that is about 400.00 a day.",
">\n\nI added that in the extra bit. Not the actual shower thought but wanted to account for the way we work.",
">\n\nYeah , oops , just noticed that.\nIt feels far far away"
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If you work 50 weeks a year, 5 days/week, and 8 hours a day, you need to earn $50/hour an $400/day to make $100 000/year. Also under this line of thinking, every 25 cents earned per hour nets you $500/year and every dollar earns you $2000/year. I always found this a quick way to figure out yearly pay from hourly, and vice versa
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">\n\nWell, we're talking wages, so not everyday is a work day. Therefore if you figure most work 250 days a year that is about 400.00 a day.",
">\n\nI added that in the extra bit. Not the actual shower thought but wanted to account for the way we work.",
">\n\nYeah , oops , just noticed that.\nIt feels far far away",
">\n\nEven $400 Isn’t that much an the big picture… that being said, through labor I’ve only done that a day, dozen or so times in my life.\nIt’s super wild that there are people that charge far more then that an hour."
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I love it. You did the math.
I find it amazing how it all adds up but we tend to thing in years not hours or days.
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">\n\nWell, we're talking wages, so not everyday is a work day. Therefore if you figure most work 250 days a year that is about 400.00 a day.",
">\n\nI added that in the extra bit. Not the actual shower thought but wanted to account for the way we work.",
">\n\nYeah , oops , just noticed that.\nIt feels far far away",
">\n\nEven $400 Isn’t that much an the big picture… that being said, through labor I’ve only done that a day, dozen or so times in my life.\nIt’s super wild that there are people that charge far more then that an hour.",
">\n\nIf you work 50 weeks a year, 5 days/week, and 8 hours a day, you need to earn $50/hour an $400/day to make $100 000/year. Also under this line of thinking, every 25 cents earned per hour nets you $500/year and every dollar earns you $2000/year. I always found this a quick way to figure out yearly pay from hourly, and vice versa"
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